[06:50] <redtap|away> popey, Could we possibly change the topic to discuss the implementation og bug #1 , today , please ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/1834
[06:50] <lubotu3`> Ubuntu bug 1 in Ubuntu Malaysia LoCo Team "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress]
[06:51] <redtap|away> mmm, strange, I was told it was fixed ?
[06:53] <dwatkins> Phones aren't computers.
[06:53] <redtape|renegade> troo.
[06:54] <dwatkins> Well, strictly speaking they are, but they're not the same as a PC.
[06:54] <redtape|renegade> Aparently , we are **years** away from being able to dock a phone/mobile with a TV too...
[06:54] <redtape|renegade> Morning, TheOpenSourcerer
[06:55] <dwatkins> I use my phone as a remote control for the TV, I don't want to have to dock it with the telly, that would mean I couldn't use it.
[06:55] <redtape|renegade> how about a remote for yur remote ?
[06:55] <dwatkins> yo dawg
[06:57] <redtape|renegade> I'll never understand Mark's fascination with 'znet' .com at all.
[06:58] <dwatkins> zdnet?
[06:59] <redtape|renegade> yeah, did you read my link at 07:50 ?
[06:59] <dwatkins> Yes, I'm reading it now.
[06:59] <dwatkins> Hence my comment that a phone is not a computer :)
[07:00]  * redtape|renegade secretly thinks mozilla phone will be more of a newb's hacking device ...
[07:00] <dwatkins> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems shows that MS has a desktop penetration of over 80%
[07:01] <redtape|renegade> ... so he's deluded..    ,then.
[07:02] <dwatkins> no, he's talking about different things at the same time.
[07:02] <redtape|renegade> lik a politician talking stat's I guess ...
[07:02] <redtape|renegade> **like ..
[07:02] <dwatkins> as the zdnet article states, the more important war is between iOS and Android.
[07:03]  * redtape|renegade notes the heoric *ethical* failure of Windoze phone.
[07:03] <dwatkins> ethical?
[07:04] <redtape|renegade> yeah, it's closed
[07:04] <MartijnVdS> it kills your family
[07:04] <dwatkins> so is iOS, does that make it bad?
[07:04] <redtape|renegade> yep.
[07:04] <dwatkins> I disagree. It's different, and perhaps not ideal, but I can see there being benefits to a closed platform.
[07:06]  * redtape|renegade treates this youtuber about this , in his closing statements, as gospel , [a.outler] http://youtu.be/_4-Jr_HphWs?t=6m36s
[07:06] <dwatkins> I don't treat the gospel as gospel ;)
[07:06] <diplo> Morning all
[07:07] <dwatkins> mornin y'all
[07:07] <redtape|renegade> it's is in the 'Open Source' religion, but this is by the by..
[07:08] <dwatkins> Looks like a nice piece of kit.
[07:09] <dwatkins> I like the fact he starts taking out screws after having it switched on for a couple minutes.
[07:10] <redtape|renegade> The dud's a legend in XDA communities ... what can I say ?
[07:10] <redtape|renegade> Have you seen his ADK video ?
[07:10] <dwatkins> noes
[07:10] <redtape|renegade> **dude's a legend ...
[07:10]  * redtape|renegade scans for video .. and follow up video ..
[07:11] <dwatkins> What is ADK in this context?
[07:11] <diplo> He posts a fair bit on G+ as well
[07:12] <redtape|renegade> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1PCFE1LlC4
[07:12] <dwatkins> cheers
[07:12] <redtape|renegade> ^ .. very telling, and no you cant get one anymore ..
[07:14] <dwatkins> I see your point ("If you can't do with it as you choose, it's not yours") but at the same time, I can see there are security risks to a completely open platform.
[07:14] <dwatkins> Perhaps I'm wrong, but things like app signing require a closed platform as far as I know.
[07:14] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: the OS on a very closed "secure boot" device can have security flaws as well
[07:15] <redtape|renegade> Here's the original, while you attempt yur breakfast , but watch the follow up first .. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdglKxxXO8M
[07:15] <dwatkins> yeah, any OS can have flaws, I accept that.
[07:15] <dwatkins> I had breakfast at 6:45, redtape|renegade ;)
[07:16] <redtape|renegade> tré bien. ... Conitnental, I hope ?
[07:20] <dwatkins> you hope? ;) I had bacon and eggs.
[07:39] <popey> morning
[07:39] <MartijnVdS> \o popey
[07:45] <redtape|renegade> o/ hi popey, Dunno if you saw my message earlier ?
[07:47] <popey> people can discuss that, sure.
[07:47] <popey> don't think it needs to go in the topic tho
[07:48]  * redtape|renegade feels ever disappointed.
[07:48] <dwatkins> We've been discussing it, redtape|renegade ;)
[07:49] <redtape|renegade> I know, that's what makes it topic-able..
[07:50] <redtape|renegade> I mean, everyone's joining now .. to see wat the last nights news of this is all about .. Why should the podcast get all the fun ..
[07:53] <popey> no, we don't set the /topic based on what people are talking about, never have
[07:53] <popey> it's for channel announcements, not for "What shall we talk about today"
[07:53] <popey> if we did, then it would change many times a day
[07:53] <redtape|renegade> oh ok . redtape slaps his wrist .. ouch.
[08:07] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:08] <MartijnVdS> \o
[08:13] <SuperMatt> morning
[08:13] <knightwise> morning
[08:13] <knightwise> Gah !
[08:14] <knightwise> gpodder is giving me shitty errors about local settings not supported
[08:15] <SuperMatt> knightwise: no swearing!
[08:15] <knightwise> http://pastebin.com/E54zfEbj
[08:15] <knightwise> "Gah" is a Klingon dish .. its not a swearword
[08:16] <bigcalm> knightwise: your 2nd line contained swearing, please try not to do it again
[08:16] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: that's "Gagh"
[08:17] <mungbean> i think they mean the line after gah :P
[08:17] <popey> meh
[08:17] <shrik> morning all
[08:18] <bigcalm> I stopped working at 2am this morning. I wonder if I'm over doing it again
[08:19] <MartijnVdS> working?
[08:19] <MartijnVdS> Ooh! Just got a "Price alert" email
[08:19] <knightwise> Sorry , bigcalm i shall refrain from stating excrental statements
[08:20] <knightwise> MartijnVdS: you are also correct
[08:20] <MartijnVdS> A Dutch web shop has a price for Haswell 4770K
[08:20] <MartijnVdS> (it's €348,90) - http://afuture.nl/productview.php?productID=1002479
[08:20] <redtape|renegade> opening...
[08:21] <redtape|renegade> i see no picture .. (??)
[08:21] <MartijnVdS> redtape|renegade: not allowed yet (embargo/nda)
[08:22] <redtape|renegade> ahh
[08:22] <MartijnVdS> redtape|renegade: This webshop is very much automated, it's a front-end to their suppliers' inventory systems, basically
[08:24] <shrik> anyone use Firefox's dev tools with any regularity?
[08:35] <mungbean> didn't feel like a chump riding a kick scooter to work today. felt aswesome actually
[08:35] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[08:36] <shrik> morning brobostigon
[08:36] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: keep telling yourself that :P
[08:36] <brobostigon> morning shrik
[08:37] <mungbean> yeah MartijnVdS , its hard being awesome
[08:50] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Friday and happy World No Tobacco Day! :-D
[08:50] <mungbean> a world with no tobacco...ahhhh
[08:50]  * popey lights up
[08:50] <mungbean> that would be nice
[08:50] <MooDoo> hello all
[08:51] <mungbean> hayfever + cigarette smoke = intense irritation
[08:52] <MartijnVdS> \o/ no tobacco day
[08:55] <brobostigon> unlikely to happen here, but one an try nonetheless.
[08:55] <brobostigon> can*
[08:56] <dwatkins> we barely need one here, it's so windy in Scotland you can't tell when someone's smoking near by ;) also, it's banned in-doors, obv.
[08:57]  * brobostigon puts SG sg1 on, and hums the theme tune.
[08:58] <dwatkins> brobostigon: excellent choice, I've been re-watching it recently, am up to season 6, the Jonas year
[08:58] <brobostigon> dwatkins: ah, i like the ones where daniel is ascended.
[08:59] <dwatkins> yeah, although it's a shame he can't break the rules it's fun to see him as not really there
[08:59] <brobostigon> very true.
[09:00] <MartijnVdS> I liked the movie, but the not the TV show
[09:00] <MartijnVdS> too soapy
[09:01] <dwatkins> I see what you mean, MartijnVdS - there were aspects of that, but it was just enough sci-fi, and well, Amanda Tapping <3 :D
[09:02] <brobostigon> which film? there are three if memory serves.
[09:02] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0111282/
[09:02] <dwatkins> hehe
[09:02] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: the first one, :)
[09:02] <mungbean> we need imdbbot
[09:02] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: the original!
[09:02] <dwatkins> that's a silly movie poster - they didn't get stargates that big until at least season 9...
[09:03] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: :)
[09:03] <dwatkins> ...and even then, they were spacegates, not ones you'd land on a planet.
[09:03]  * mungbean doesn't think he fits the techie stereotype
[09:03] <mungbean> the techie non trekkie
[09:03] <brobostigon> dwatkins: very true.
[09:04] <dwatkins> I'm not too bothered about Star Trek any more, I've come to the conclusion that it promotes stereotypes and is rather shallow.
[09:04] <diplo> Anyone here use Redmine with the PPA on 12.04 ?
[09:04] <diplo> default ones on very old in the repos
[09:04]  * awilkins raises hand about Redmine
[09:05] <awilkins> Want my bulletproof Redmine wiki page for installing Redmine on 12.04 ?
[09:05] <awilkins> Have worked a little with Ondrej Sury and his PPA is now more stable and he has an experimental one for breaking packages in
[09:06] <DJones> Heh, don't you love words kids make up https://twitter.com/BBCNewsMagazine/status/340393025664606208 These kids must have seen RMS at some point in their lives
[09:06] <mungbean> is the redmien vulnerable?
[09:07] <awilkins> That's a nice shot of Emma Watson getting a wand at Disney World :-)
[09:07] <diplo> awilkins: That's the one I looked at Ondrej's, never tried it before
[09:08] <diplo> Please, would be very interested
[09:08] <mungbean> i heard about a rails botnet issue
[09:08] <diplo> mungbean: Dunno, but it's only for internal use anyhoo for us
[09:09] <awilkins> diplo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5719307/
[09:09] <awilkins> diplo, Naked Ubuntu Server VM to working Redmine server in 10 mins
[09:10] <brobostigon> arghhhh, a dumb fly just tried to share my coffee. :(
[09:10] <diplo> Top man, thank you
[09:10] <diplo> Will set up a naked vm now to test :)
[09:11] <awilkins> The mail watcher plugin is just something we do
[09:11] <awilkins> Don't install it without changing the email addresses or your redmine will start spamming all my managers
[09:11] <awilkins> (well, probably not)
[09:11] <diplo> heh, will read through it carefully :)
[09:11] <diplo> Do you integrate with ldap at all, not read through it yet
[09:11] <mungbean> i use with ldap
[09:12] <awilkins> diplo, Yup, we're using the LDAP / Active directory integration
[09:12] <diplo> ooh, LDAP is on my list of learning as well, so will be handy.. great thanks
[09:12] <awilkins> Although I've been trying to make progress on an OpenID Provider that justs uses NTLM / SSPI so we can just auth *everything* automagically
[09:13] <awilkins> Think we have one in the early alpha stages ; on paper it's not hard, you just need an OpenID provider that trusts Apache auth, and an Apache auth module that does NTLM / SSPI
[09:13] <awilkins> The main PITA is that the only reliable one we can find is mod_auth_sspi and that only runs on Windows server
[09:14] <awilkins> Not so far managed to set up mod_auth_kerb properly
[09:14] <diplo> oh, I've not got that far.. basically trying to sort a lot of issues at my work place, including information
[09:14] <diplo> All little projects that I hope to integrate together whilst learning
[09:14] <awilkins> The hardest part is getting buy-in from the people
[09:15] <awilkins> Not everyone takes to wiki pages like a duck to water
[09:15] <awilkins> Especially if you have a lot of SharePoint already
[09:15] <JamesTait> awilkins, amen to that!
[09:15] <awilkins> SharePoint lets them continue to get their digital document crackfix of passing information around as Office docs
[09:16] <diplo> We had sharepoint at my last place, I was in charge of it, it sucked and nobody really used it, glad I'm away from it now
[09:16] <awilkins> The best success I've had is with a team for who I wrote tools - and they write their own manuals as wiki pages, because they can't understand them when I write them :-)
[09:16] <awilkins> Once they're in the habit, that's it, they still tweak them even though the tools have been stable for years
[09:17] <diplo> Well our bug tracker is internal atm, and only now works in Firefox as it was written years ago, can't modify stuff with chrome etc as the code is awful
[09:17] <diplo> tried fixing it but failed so far
[09:17] <awilkins> I find people who roll their own trackers perplexing - we have several of these things
[09:18] <awilkins> I just shake my head and go "But... that's just a bug tracker with <insert  custom workflow here> - why don't you just trash it and replace it with something that has a community..."
[09:19] <awilkins> diplo, If you have the kind of userbase who loves custom workflows, I have some code for turning Dia diagrams into workflow table rows for Redmine
[09:19] <diplo> Exactly, it's where I'm trying to push us now
[09:19] <diplo> Umm they don't have any idea of what to do at the moment, very disorganised small company
[09:19] <awilkins> I should upload it the main project but it's 1) Java 2) involves shell script too 3) not polished
[09:20] <awilkins> I suggest you keep it as simple as possible
[09:20] <awilkins> Don't let them get into month long meetings about what workflow is appropriate
[09:20] <diplo> yeah, base install.. play.. see what bosses think
[09:20] <diplo> And then go from there
[09:20] <awilkins> Use what comes in the box and fix it if that doesn't work for you
[09:20] <awilkins> Also have the "Redmine Backlogs" plugins going if you want to do Scrum / Agile
[09:21] <awilkins> There's another page for that
[09:23] <diplo> mini.iso - stuck at checking ubuntu archive :(
[09:23] <diplo> wonder if nat isn't getting correct details
[09:29] <diplo> Yep, working fine now - bah
[09:46] <NET||abuse> i really do get myself muddled when merging conflicts from svn in a git svn cloned working copy
[09:46] <NET||abuse> had to re svn rebase 3 times to catch i wasn't pulling the changes from my copy into the working copy and only updating the changes back from svn, overriting my own work?
[09:46] <NET||abuse> grrrrr
[09:46] <NET||abuse> meld helps
[09:52] <davmor2_> Morning all
[09:56] <brobostigon> can someone clarify something, what does it mean when described as, (apache with "Options All") ?
[09:56] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/mod/core.html#options :)
[09:56] <diplo> Allows things like indexing etc
[09:56] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: "All" means that all of the listed options are enabled
[09:56] <diplo> Or follow MartijnVdS link :)
[09:57] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: ok, thank you.
[09:58] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: and this applies to httpd.conf ?
[09:58] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: it works everywhere, look at the "Context" bit in the box
[09:58] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: server config, virtual host, directory, .htaccess
[09:59] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: ok.
[09:59] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: it's related to "AllowOverride"
[09:59] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: if you put "Options None" in httpd.conf, along with "AllowOverride None", you can add it to .htaccess but it won't work
[10:00] <MartijnVdS> but if you said "AllowOverride Options=ExecCGI,Indexes" you can change only those 2 options in the htaccess
[10:00] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: ah, i think i understand,
[10:01] <MartijnVdS> apache config is easy, once you learn how to read the docs.. it's just a "trick"
[10:01] <brobostigon> yes, i can iamgine, whats the word, cryptic.
[10:27] <diplo> awilkins: Great, installed and working.. will take a copy of the vm and have a tinker now
[10:27] <diplo> Thanks again
[10:28] <awilkins> diplo, You're welcome, if you want the redmine_backlogs plugin install as well, let me know
[10:30] <diplo> Will do, I'll look it up shortly, going to have a good play first
[10:33] <directhex> redmine is great-ish
[10:34] <diplo> You use it at collab directhex ?
[10:39] <awilkins> CollabNet?
[10:39] <awilkins> Don't CollabNet use their own forge software?
[10:39] <awilkins> The downside of Redmine for me is that it's written in Ruby
[10:39] <diplo> Can't remember who directhex works for, no it begins with a C :D
[10:40] <diplo> yeah, same here, not a great fan
[10:40] <mgdm> Collabora
[10:40] <diplo> Looks nice though
[10:40] <diplo> Was close :)
[10:40] <awilkins> Yes, very pretty, lots of good features, active, plugins
[10:40] <awilkins> But I learned Ruby because we picked it up
[10:40] <awilkins> And I think Ruby is horrible
[10:41] <awilkins> It's sooo not Python
[10:41] <awilkins> Python feels consistent and makes sense (to me)
[10:41] <diplo> I'm just getting into python in a bigger way, never touched ruby, watched a few vids on it and that's about it
[10:41] <awilkins> Ruby seems to be this big conflicting ball of styles and doesn't make intuitive sense
[10:41] <awilkins> Like - all things in Ruby are objects. Even integers.
[10:42] <awilkins> The id values for integers in Ruby... are not the integers they represent.
[10:42] <awilkins> >-<
[10:42] <awilkins> And all manner of weird operators and stuff
[10:43] <diplo> heh, sounds like I'll be having some fun then(not)
[10:43] <awilkins> To familiarize self, did the "Ruby Koans"
[10:43] <diplo> Biggest thing for me, is whether I can import data from our current tracker into redmine in some way
[10:44] <awilkins> diplo, What's current tracker?
[10:44] <awilkins> I have some code that works OK for bugzilla
[10:44] <directhex> redmine is fine, but because it's ruby it's hyper-fragile as far as version numbers go (making distro upgrades hell) and you can't export data between redmine installs easily
[10:44] <diplo> In house built one awilkins, it's really really really bad :)
[10:44] <awilkins> Yeah, that's the other thing I hate about Ruby
[10:45] <awilkins> Debian hates things that have their own package management
[10:45] <awilkins> But Debian coverage of Ruby packages is really patchy
[10:45] <mgdm> The thing I mostly dislike about ruby is that version 1.9.3pN can have a vastly different set of bugs from 1.9.3pN+1
[10:45] <awilkins> Most of the stuff in Ondrej Sury's PPA is ruby packages
[10:46] <directhex> awilkins, that's a ruby design issue, and it's intentional
[10:46] <directhex> awilkins, ruby is not from a school of thought that says a sysadmin installs a thing and it works for years. it's from the "devops" school of thought there a developer managed to make a thing work on his crufty laptop, so you put the crufty laptop into production
[10:46] <directhex> ruby was nearly pulled from debian.
[10:47] <mgdm> Oh, I didn't know that
[10:47] <MartijnVdS> because of the gem madness?
[10:47] <awilkins> Yeah, gem madness is horrid
[10:47] <MartijnVdS> it's a bit like egg madness..
[10:47] <MartijnVdS> (or CPAN madness)
[10:47] <awilkins> My redmine_backlogs install procedure involves installing gems.. then manually uninstalling one
[10:47] <directhex> like most half-baked languages, the concept of ABI/API stability doesn't exist, and the upstreams don't care about breaking things
[10:47] <MartijnVdS> and s/egg/pypi/
[10:48] <awilkins> And then screwing with the Gemfile.lock
[10:48] <directhex> it doesn't matter, in theory, because it's okay to have 300 different incompatible versions of the same gem, so each app has the only version it works with installed alongside
[10:49] <directhex> debian angers ruby upstreams with its "one version of the lib, fix your freaking app" attitude
[10:49] <MartijnVdS> directhex: like bundling the JVM with your java app!
[10:49] <mgdm> I had an entertaining dependency graph recently where something depended on v2.1 of a lib, but then something else it depended on depended on v3.0 of a lib, and of course they were incompatible
[10:49] <directhex> MartijnVdS, yes. or at least bundling a dozen jars which represent the only tested/working versions of your app's libs
[10:49] <awilkins> I don't mind that too much, but in practise the app maintainers don't have a conservative attitude to version numbers
[10:50] <awilkins> e.g. redmine_backlogs doesn't say "we've only tested up to this version of rake, so we'll stick with versions we've tested"
[10:50] <awilkins> It says "want rake". Rake 1.5.2 breaks it.
[10:50] <awilkins> Well, breaks something
[10:50] <directhex> 1.5.1 is fine?
[10:50] <awilkins> Not sure.
[10:51] <awilkins> Had rake from Ondrej's packages already
[10:51] <directhex> minor version numbers should never break anything
[10:51] <awilkins> So just uninstalled the one that gem installas
[10:51] <awilkins> Everything works fine, you just have to tinker with the bundle manifest it builds so it's not convinced it should still have rake 1.5.2
[10:51] <awilkins> Which is Evil and Wrong but practical
[10:53] <diplo> heh, you guys are talking me out of using this :D
[10:53] <awilkins> That's for a non-packaged plugin
[10:53] <awilkins> INstalled by checking out a git tree
[10:54] <awilkins> Only a problem if you sign up for it
[10:54] <diplo> So stay clean install as much as possible and it should just work ?
[10:55] <awilkins> Well, as you get from my install procedure, it's not just "apt-get install" and go, but the current PPA is pretty stable
[10:56] <awilkins> And I always test new things in a VM
[10:56] <awilkins> Snapshot the live DB to it and make sure there are no wrinkles at least twice
[10:56] <awilkins> Write a wiki page as I go
[11:08] <BigRedS> directhex: that doesn't hold in the land of the ruby
[11:09] <directhex> BigRedS, i know. 1.9 -> 1.9.1 was a huge jump which broke the world
[11:12] <MartijnVdS> yay minor version bumps
[11:13] <bigcalm> I think somebody missed the point of minor version numbers
[11:14] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: the point of a point release!
[11:14] <christel> i am going on the watercress line tomorrow bigcalm!
[11:14] <MartijnVdS> (isitfriday.net)
[11:15] <christel> ... with my son... to meet peppa pig :/
[11:15] <bigcalm> chrisccoulson: :O lucky lady!
[11:15] <davmor2> christel: not that same a rat then?
[11:15] <bigcalm> christel: get Peppa Pig drunk
[11:15] <mgdm> hahaha
[11:15] <christel> davmor2: indeed not!  No. Imagine if America had a federal TV agency like the BBC...
[11:34] <awilkins> Given they have 6 times the population
[11:34] <awilkins> That would be 6 times as much awesome content ...
[11:35] <awilkins> (and 6 times as much reality TV rubbish, but hey)
[11:35] <directhex> they already have amazing shows like Here Comes Honey Boo Boo
[11:36] <directhex> and we have BAFTA-award winning shows from private companies here, like Made In Chelsea!
[11:36] <directhex> (kill me now)
[11:37] <awilkins> The commercial broadcasters have to raise their game in the UK because of the BBC though
[11:37] <awilkins> If you got rid of it, EVERYTHING would be Honey Boo Boo
[11:37] <awilkins> I've seen American TV. It's a scary place.
[11:37] <awilkins> Although I like the whole IP broadcasters making their own content trend
[11:38] <awilkins> Not sure about Arrested Development but I liked their take on House of Cards. Wish they would show the other 2 series of the UK one though.
[12:13] <Myrtti> UK benefits so much from having a public broadcasting company that a) broadcasts to a big domestic audience b) broadcasts in languages widely adopted in the world c) has great personalities and professionals doing the said broadcasts
[12:13]  * Myrtti pokes Finnish YLE with a stick
[12:17] <popey> https://jira.mongodb.org/browse/PYTHON-532 reads like something ali1234 might write ☻
[12:19] <diplo> labels = incompetence :) and ref ali, wouldn't be that many lol's in there ?
[12:19] <diplo> :)
[13:56] <redtape|renegade> OT | then there's the afternoons ..
[15:00] <redtape|renegade> ~I've had a talk with the locals on I.o.Man and *they* don't think Bug #1 should be closed | and the instigator 'lives here' | because you can't buy an Ubuntu computer laptop or desktop anywhere locally. Only a chromebook at around £250 .. infact most of them think this mobile thing is the wrong way to go as you can't do much programming on a mobile. The Ubuntu-ists are revolting...
[15:01] <diddledan> tell them to shower then :-p
[15:02] <popey> they are?
[15:02] <popey> seems to me its the peanut gallery that's revolting
[15:02] <redtape|renegade> ~ Wat together.. this ain't rugby.
[15:07] <redtape|renegade> Prob.ly just down to the fact Curry's (which has put 2 shops so far , outta business) , run  by the Retail-Mafia : have no idea what Ubuntu is !! .. go on give them a call .. http://t.co/v5yt7TUlnn ::: Rant -over.
[15:09] <mungbean> :-|
[15:12]  * popey shrugs
[15:12] <popey> this is hardly news, that you can't buy a pc running ubuntu in a shop
[15:12] <redtape|renegade> nationally ?
[15:12] <popey> also note the mobile strategy Ubuntu has is in addition to desktop
[15:12] <popey> not instead of
[15:13] <popey> internationally
[15:13] <popey> there's hundreds of stores in which you _can_ buy Ubuntu laptops
[15:13] <popey> but they're not in the countries where the noisiest complaints come from
[15:13] <popey> (Europe and USA)
[15:14] <dwatkins> So you want us to call up Curry's for £1 a minute to tell them that they don't know what something is that they don't know about, redtape|renegade?
[15:14] <czajkowski> You cna buy one from dell.ie
[15:15] <redtape|renegade> dwatkins: I've already done it .. They haven't a clue what Ubuntu is ..
[15:15] <dwatkins> redtape|renegade: and this surprises you why? ;)
[15:16]  * redtape|renegade does his daily email check to see what can be bought ethically running 'Ubuntu' on the net ..
[15:16] <DJones> The best publicity is word of mouth, Ubuntu and Linux generally have great support networks and word of mouth does work, retail stores are there to make a profit, so for them, any Linux derivative doesn't make sense
[15:16] <dwatkins> also, they probably get kickbacks for selling Windows
[15:16] <redtape|renegade> dwatkins: Because the bug says that you can buy it in a local shop .. or at least that's how I read it ...
[15:16] <dwatkins> redtape|renegade: bug #1 ?
[15:17] <DJones> I wonder why bug 1 is flagged as Malaysia Loci team
[15:17] <popey> where does it say that redtape|renegade ?
[15:17] <DJones> loco*
[15:17] <popey> just the first one lp api picks
[15:17] <popey> it's tagged as affecting lots of projects
[15:17] <DJones> Good answer
[15:17] <diddledan> what's a direct-lit lcd panel?
[15:18] <DJones> I thought it was because we use lubotu* rather than Ubottu
[15:18] <diddledan> argos just emailed me and they're touting "Direct-lit LED TV"
[15:19] <DJones> diddledan: http://www.avforums.com/forums/lcd-led-lcd-tvs/1000565-difference-side-lit-led-versus-direct-led-pay-attention-when-buying.html
[15:19] <diddledan> thanks DJones
[15:20] <DJones> Sounds like the positioning of the LED's, direct is behind the screen, side lit is around the edges
[15:20] <redtape|renegade> Those running Ubuntu :-Laptops: 187 laptops , Desktops: 193 desktops, as opposed to those running windoze .. 42,598  ... there's the math anyway ..
[15:20] <mungbean> bore
[15:22] <diddledan> redtape|renegade: where are those figures from?
[15:22] <diddledan> I wonder if there's really that many windows machines worldwide
[15:23] <redtape|renegade> ebay.co.uk
[15:23] <mungbean> lol
[15:23] <redtape|renegade> i could use ebay.im , but that costs £90K  .. reesign.
[15:24] <popey> people seem to be misinterpreting that bug completely.
[15:24] <popey> mainly because it means different things to different people
[15:24] <popey> so closing it has wildly different meanings
[15:24] <DJones> Its not surprising, to the end user, windows is distributed free for people buying a computer, probably 999/1000 users will stick with whats already there
[15:24] <redtape|renegade> I'll justget my coat ...
[15:25] <popey> oh jeez
[15:25] <diddledan> well that's an overreaction
[15:25] <DJones> Damm, Davros with David Tennant still looks the same as he did in the 1970's
[15:25] <diddledan> DJones: he hasn't aged well then? :-p
[15:25] <popey> he ragequits all the time
[15:25] <popey> it's incredibly tiresome
[15:26] <DJones> diddledan: That would be about right
[15:26] <mungbean> politics is dull innit
[15:26] <popey> given he wanted me to change the /topic and talk about it all day, then when we do he quits, pretty stupid
[15:28] <xnox> popey: so the wimesweeper - how do I run it on my nexus7? do I need raring or saucy install?
[15:28] <mungbean> there's always reddit to discuss that stuff
[15:28] <mungbean> !politics
[15:28] <mungbean> lol
[15:28] <mungbean> we need a OSS-politics
[15:30] <popey> xnox: raring
[15:30] <xnox> popey: ack.
[15:30] <popey> add the ppa and it's minesweeper-touch
[15:30] <popey> or just install touch-collection to get them all
[15:30] <popey> see http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~popey/+junk/phablet-flash-wrapper/view/head:/add_apps.sh
[15:59] <redtape|renegade> popey, I know I was wrong but I'm still grumpy that I can't buy an Ubuntu desktop here :: https://pod.orkz.net/uploads/images/scaled_full_b98535f1d2a396706e91.jpg
[15:59] <czajkowski> does he just join make a comment and leave?
[15:59] <popey> frequently
[16:00] <czajkowski> wow
[16:05] <tripleclones> Hi can anyone help with a blank screen on boot? close and open lid resolves it
[16:05] <tripleclones> 13.04 on Lenovo X60 with intel 945
[16:06] <tripleclones> only thing I have found is a kernel 3.9 but isn't from ubuntu repo so don't really want to go with it yet
[16:07] <popey> it's fixed in 3.9?
[16:08] <tripleclones> assuming so reading this
[16:08] <tripleclones> http://askubuntu.com/questions/291023/black-screen-after-update-to-13-04-hp-530-solution-available
[16:08] <popey> oof, i wouldn't install a kernel from that site either
[16:09] <tripleclones> thats what I was thinking
[16:09] <popey> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.9-raring/ however is safe
[16:09] <popey> maintained by the kernel team
[16:09] <tripleclones> brilliant thank you - I'll try it :)
[16:09] <popey> worth a punt to see if that fixes it, if it does then I'd file a bug against the kernel with "ubuntu-bug linux" and then let them know which kernel works and which doesn't
[16:09] <popey> and then you can figure out which commit actually broke it
[16:09] <popey> and they may be able to backport a fix to 3.8
[16:10] <shauno> wow, those askubuntu answers are all kinds of scary.  "here, grab a kernel from someone's dropbox" is nope.jpg
[16:13] <popey> that file isnt even there
[16:13] <popey> haha, its a shell script
[16:13] <popey> which pulls from....
[16:14] <popey> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.9-raring/
[16:14] <diddledan> yeah
[16:14] <popey> ☻
[16:15] <diddledan> FRIDAY FTW
[16:15] <diddledan> ahem
[16:15] <diddledan> scuse me
[16:16] <diddledan> don't you dare tell me I'm on the wrong day
[16:16] <brobostigon> its saturday, sorry man.
[16:16] <directhex> gotta get down on friday.
[16:16] <directhex> it's the law.
[16:17] <diddledan> according to beccy black, anyway
[16:17] <diddledan> just in case anybody forgot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfVsfOSbJY0
[16:18] <diddledan> and now I switch to my home pc
[16:28] <tripleclones> popey that fixed it - is there how to filing bugs I can read somewhere?
[16:29] <diddledan> tripleclones: run in a terminal the command `ubuntu-bug linux`
[16:29] <tripleclones> cool - been using ubuntu 5.04 and haven't had to report one before
[16:29] <MartijnVdS> To quote Neo: "Whoa"
[16:29] <MartijnVdS> http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/05/asus-brings-4k-to-your-desktop-with-massive-31-5-3840x2160-monitor/
[16:29] <tripleclones> using ubuntu since 5.04!
[16:30] <MartijnVdS> tripleclones: 5.06, the second "hog" release ;)
[16:30] <diddledan> that will collect a load of information relevant to the package "linux" and post it all to launchpad.net for you - it will open a new browser for you to add some information about why you're reporting the bug
[16:30] <MartijnVdS> tripleclones: (hoary hedgehog?)
[16:31] <tripleclones> MartijnVds I still have the shipit CD - is it worth anything ;)
[16:31] <MartijnVdS> tripleclones: ask AlanBell, he uses them for his chickens :)
[16:31] <diddledan> he feeds chickens old linux cds?
[16:31] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: I think so.. but I'm no chicken expert
[16:32] <tripleclones> I guess I've just been lucky always running older hardware
[16:32]  * MartijnVdS is waiting for Haswell
[16:32] <MartijnVdS> Should be out by next week
[16:32] <tripleclones> but that changes soon - got a lenovo X1 coming, will be fun getting ubuntu on that
[16:35] <diddledan> haswell is the new intel?
[16:35]  * diddledan googles
[16:35] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: it is
[16:37] <diddledan> looks like they're unifying under one aarchitecture for end-to-end?
[16:37] <diddledan> from 10W up to desktop
[16:37] <diddledan> desktop I guess is 100's of WAtts
[16:37] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: they still have atoms
[16:37] <diddledan> aah
[16:37] <MartijnVdS> desktop "TDP" (thermal design power) is 85W or something
[16:38] <MartijnVdS> laptop TDP is a lot lower, and they have better sleep states now
[16:38] <MartijnVdS> and they're expecting "Haswell-E" later this year ("extreme edition" with even more power)
[16:48] <tripleclones> Bug 59161 my first known reported bug :)
[16:49] <tripleclones> thats in bugzilla.kernel.org though
[17:06] <awilkins> ☄☭☮⚗⚝
[17:13] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: happy unicode :)
[18:57] <diddledan> why did I just sit through an _entire_ episode of eastenders?!
[18:58] <brobostigon> oh dear.
[18:58] <brobostigon> diddledan: are you drunk?
[18:58] <diddledan> I wish
[18:58] <diddledan> my sky box is on the blink tho
[18:58] <brobostigon> :(
[18:58] <diddledan> they are supposed to have fixed it
[18:59] <brobostigon> two only valid excuses for watching eastenders, either being high or drunk, or GF/wife is being very insistant.
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: or you were channel surfing, and got distracted by something else
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: and Eastenders came on while you were away
[19:04] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: yes, or that.
[19:09] <popey> or of course your BF/husband is being very insistant
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> popey: let's use "SO"
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> that's a lot shorter than "GF/BF/wife/husband"
[19:09] <popey> I don't particularly like SO
[19:09] <popey> well, true
[19:10] <popey> "bird"
[19:10] <diddledan> "bi**h"?
[19:10] <diddledan> that works for either sex
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: birð
[19:10] <popey> I call wifey "bird" and she calls referrs to me as "the bird" when talking to her girlie mates
[19:11] <popey> my brother watches eastenders, his husband does not
[19:11] <popey> i think hubby plays games on facebook while ee is on
[19:11] <diddledan> :-)
[19:11] <diddledan> the problem is I could easily become addicted to ee
[19:12] <popey> yeah
[19:14] <MartijnVdS> Ooh.. overclocking competition (+ master class) where you can win Haswell hardware
[19:14] <MartijnVdS> *enters competition*
[19:14] <popey> nice idea
[19:14] <MartijnVdS> .. at least I have something to do on Sunday
[19:17] <mungbean> eastenders is depression in visual/aural form
[19:17] <popey> hah
[19:18] <mungbean> see enough depressing chavs and unpleasant violent/agreesive people on my daily commute, why would i invite them into my lounge?
[19:19] <mungbean> just realised my tv box is full because of all the shaun the sheep episodes
[19:19] <MartijnVdS> heh :)
[19:20] <mungbean> childs folder 60GB, wifes folder 100gb, me 20GB
[19:20] <mungbean> although 35gb of the wifes is dr who
[19:20] <MartijnVdS> \o/ Doctor
[19:21] <mungbean> there seems to be a tom baker series in there too
[19:21] <MartijnVdS> old Who? they're rerunning those?
[19:21] <mungbean> hand of fear
[19:21] <mungbean> i think they played it when someone died
[19:21] <mungbean> sarah jane
[19:21] <MartijnVdS> ah, that's been a while
[19:23] <diddledan> wasn't she spider man's missus, too?
[19:24] <mungbean> mary jane
[19:24] <diddledan> aah
[19:24] <mungbean> which is also a drug slang too
[19:24] <diddledan> for?
[19:24] <mungbean> cocaine
[19:24] <diddledan> (I need to know these drug terms for when I try to "score" (that's the right term, yes?))
[19:25] <mungbean> only if you're in a 70s US movie
[19:25] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: marihuana ("Mari Huana" -> mary jane)
[19:25] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: i.e. weed
[19:25] <mungbean> woops
[19:25] <mungbean> ur right
[19:25] <MartijnVdS> <- Dutch :P
[19:25] <mungbean> i never bothered to find out
[19:26] <diddledan> does being dutch give you a propensity to knowing these things?
[19:26] <mungbean> the internet is too easy to find things now. i preferred when childhoods were full of misinformation
[19:26] <brobostigon> mungbean: like girls having cooties ?
[19:26] <diddledan> encyclopedia dramatica
[19:26] <diddledan> full of plenty of misinformation
[19:26] <brobostigon> yes.
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: well, people come here to buy the stuff
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: Never used it myself, but the Netherlands has a reputation
[19:27] <shauno> don't be silly, we come for the .. err .. rijksmuseum .. and .. uhm .. tulips?
[19:29] <mungbean> i never even tried a cigarette
[19:29] <mungbean> seems illogical to me
[19:30] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: neither have I.. my parents smoke (my dad finally quit a few years ago) and that made me never want to try it
[19:30] <mungbean> my reason was simply that peer pressure doesn't work that way on me
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> that helped too
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> also, not having lots of peers to pressure me :(
[19:31] <mungbean> awww
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: I got better ;)
[19:31] <mungbean> are you INTJ ?
[19:31] <mungbean> myers briggs personality type
[19:32] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: last time I checked, yes.. with the J being close to P in some tests
[19:32] <mungbean> relatively rare in outside world, high in IT and irc :P
[19:33] <MartijnVdS> IRCJ 8-)
[19:33] <mungbean> the peer pressure thing gives it away
[19:33] <mungbean> never persuaded to do something u don't wanan do
[19:34] <shauno> baffled with this one.  irssi just keeps freezing.  ssh is still up fine because I screen is responsive, but irssi isn't.  where do I even start?
[19:34] <mungbean> try weechat?
[19:34] <MartijnVdS> shauno: Ctrl+Q :)
[19:34] <MartijnVdS> shauno: vs Ctrl+S (xon/xoff)
[19:34] <mungbean> i've had irssi freeze about 3 times in 6 months
[19:35] <mungbean> how often does it freeze?
[19:35] <shauno> fairly sure I'm not hitting ^S to stop it
[19:35] <MartijnVdS> shauno: Ctrl+A s ?
[19:35] <MartijnVdS> :)
[19:36] <MartijnVdS> (or whatever your screen escape key is)
[19:36] <shauno> at the moment, it'll unstick for 10-15 seconds, and then go back to being unresponsive for a minute or two
[19:36] <MartijnVdS> shauno: anything in top? iotop?
[19:36] <MartijnVdS> shauno: strace?
[19:37] <diddledan> shauno: you need a dedicated server - your host is being battered by someone n0rty
[19:37] <diddledan> vps ftl
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: my VPS works fine though
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: no weird hangs
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: Bytemark BigV++
[19:38] <diddledan> MartijnVdS: all your fellow residents are friendly :-p
[19:38] <mungbean> which distro?
[19:38] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: Ubuntu?
[19:39] <mungbean> how bout shauno ?
[19:39] <shauno> hm, next to nothing  (and iotop installed with no hesitation, so I'm not hanging on writes)
[19:39] <shauno> oh, and tried ^Q, no budge
[19:39] <shauno> 10.04
[19:39] <MartijnVdS> shauno: strace?
[19:39] <mungbean> worth trying weechat for similar issues then
[19:39] <MartijnVdS> Y U NO 12.04?
[19:41] <MartijnVdS> Overclockers are weird.. there's a group of "Underclockers" as well:
[19:41] <mungbean> for power saving?
[19:41] <diddledan> wtf?
[19:41] <MartijnVdS> "7.07MHz on Intel Pentium Overdrive"
[19:41] <MartijnVdS> http://www.teamgroup.com.tw/catalog/detail/data/en/29/750/pkshJp.html
[19:42] <mungbean> for the lol? or practical reason
[19:42] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: mostly for the LOL, I think
[19:42] <MartijnVdS> http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/173809-28-running-windows
[19:42] <mungbean> http://img.chan4chan.com/img/2009-02-16/1234759607134.jpg
[19:43] <shauno> because I'm lazy, and still haven't decided if I want to retreat to debian
[19:43] <shauno> hmm, strace is looking interesting
[19:43] <MartijnVdS> shauno: what's it doing?
[19:43] <mungbean> probably runs like my eee pc
[19:44] <shauno> I think it's the script that forwards notifications to my desktop :/  there's a connect to the right IP, a write, and then a read(30,<big pause>
[19:45] <mungbean> which script are you using for that?
[19:45] <mungbean> i was gonna try it
[19:45] <mungbean> sending remote osd?
[19:45] <shauno> prowl .. same idea, but sending to growl (laptop's a mac)
[19:45] <mungbean> ah
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> firewallz?
[19:45] <mungbean> different one
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> you could do it through an ssh tunnel. If the tunnel is down, you'll at least get a quick response (Connection refused/reset by peer)
[19:47] <mungbean> was thinking of this https://code.google.com/p/irssi-libnotify/
[19:49] <shauno> well that's annoying .. it's been working for a year or three :/
[19:52] <shauno> but explains why it was driving me crazy.  the more people reply to me, the less responsive irssi was
[19:53] <mungbean> watching the extreme barbie jeep racing vid
[19:53] <mungbean> reminds me of uni days
[19:53] <mungbean> riding a traffic cone down a fligt of stairs
[19:58] <diddledan> shauno:
[19:58] <mungbean> first day to myself tomorrow since baby was born \o/
[19:58] <diddledan> shauno:
[19:58] <diddledan> :-p
[19:58] <diddledan> mungbean: what's the plan?
[19:58] <mungbean> its gonna be sunny but i will be indoors doing airbrushing
[19:58] <shauno> sleep?
[19:58] <diddledan> no, sleep is for when you're in charge of the baby
[19:59] <mungbean> got a spitfire and p51d mustang to get on with
[19:59] <diddledan> just let it cry to sleep
[19:59] <mungbean> she is cryingf now
[19:59] <mungbean> will wake wifey upo
[19:59] <diddledan> bless
[19:59] <mungbean> need toi walk around a bit
[20:00] <mungbean> i cant trick baby into thinking i am walking
[20:01] <popey> i use the android irssi notify thing
[20:01] <popey> works brilliantly
[20:02] <DJones> popey: Do you get errors if your don't have an active screen session connected to irssi
[20:03] <popey> dunno, i never dont have an active screen/irssi connection
[20:03] <DJones> Hmmh, when I disconnect from screen, irssinotifier will give me errors on the android device
[20:05] <popey> i dont get that
[20:06] <DJones> Not too worried about it, if I'm not connected, I'm not in a position to do anything that hilight's me anyway
[20:09] <mungbean> sampling a vockburns fine tawny
[20:09] <mungbean> vo/co
[20:11] <popey> i discovered Pedro Ximénez in spain where Port isn't popular
[20:12] <diddledan> ok, as a learned person (sorta) who understands that the chances of winning something like the lottery are worse than that of dieing horribly. why do I still insist on playing the thing?
[20:14] <DJones> diddledan: Fear.... The fear of your numbers coming up when you haven't put the money on
[20:14] <diddledan> :-)
[20:16] <mungbean> excepyt you could play for a million years and still might not come up
[20:17] <mungbean> the odds are too low to fathom, compared with the "but somebody wins"
[20:24] <diddledan> wait, what?! facebook is advertising at me (not new) the advert "ugly females inside: we have alot of females desperate to get a date. but they're not pretty. join now."
[20:26] <shauno> it can be quite worrying how well fb knows you
[20:44] <diddledan> right. gmail. spotify just emailed me and in the subject line in my inbox view on gmail it had a button to go straight to spotify's web player to play the music it was advertising at me. how did they get that button there?
[20:45] <mungbean> my dog just farted and looked innicently at me
[20:46] <mungbean> diddledan: screenshot
[20:46] <mungbean> ?
[20:57] <mungbean> laptop for mum in law, how many gb ram?
[20:57] <mungbean> new ones are win8 :(
[20:58] <diddledan> mungbean: https://plus.google.com/u/0/111403714821787277067/posts/TTXiWqFuu8J
[20:58] <mungbean> should i do win7 or keep win8 till 8.1
[20:59] <mungbean> i see
[21:02] <diddledan> the text/plain part of the message is "missing text version" in base64 encoding
[21:02] <diddledan> so it ain't that
[21:02] <AlanBell> what do people use for web applications with a mongodb back end?
[21:10] <diddledan> looks like there's some meta tags in the html mail that might do it
[21:32] <diddledan> http://gmailblog.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/take-action-right-from-inbox.html
[22:11] <Jez> Hello.
[22:12] <Jez> Ubuntu does not seem to shut down or restart on my system (Acer TravelMate 5520).  No splash screen or anything, just goes to the boot screen and then sits there ticking away forever.
[22:14] <Jez> The halt splash used to appear, then seemed to hang for ages.
[22:14] <Jez>  To my knowledge, it shut down from there once, while I'd wandered off for a quarter hour.
[22:14] <Jez> But after the first week it stopped, now all I get is the boot screen and no shut down.
[22:15] <Jez> Can anyone offer any advice?
[22:51] <iPenguin> Hello
[22:53] <iPenguin> I somehow keep getting errors when i boot ubuntu on my laptop
[22:54] <iPenguin> The error says "This kernel requires an x86-64 CPU, but only detected an i686 CPU. Unable to boot- please use a kernel appropiate for your CPU." Can anyone tell me what this means?
[22:54] <iPenguin> Will i need to download x32bit?
[23:20] <diddledan> I would have answered but they were too impatient
[23:21] <diddledan> people ought to use gentoo for a while just to learn the art of waiting
[23:55] <diddledan> have global spam levels dropped in the past 6 months or is it just that I've not been very prolific over giving out my email address of late?


[05:10] <nigelb> mornin
[06:47] <YoBoY> good morning
[06:48] <YoBoY> someone can ping me before the classroom on the LD today ? :p
[07:44] <dholbach> good morning
[10:55] <trinikrono> what time is the classroom session today?
[10:58] <leoquant> trinikrono, via #ubuntu-classroom==>set topic: the fridge
[10:58] <leoquant> i'll take a look
[10:58] <trinikrono> for example its 7am for me
[10:58] <leoquant> Upcoming Schedule: http://is.gd/8rtIi
[11:04] <leoquant> trinikrono, is your question answered?
[11:04] <trinikrono> is the schecule in utc?
[11:05] <leoquant> wo 2. mrt 16:00 – 17:00 GMT
[11:05] <leoquant> first class
[11:06] <trinikrono> leoquant: gmt and utc is the same?
[11:07] <leoquant> sorry telephone)....
[11:07] <leoquant> ...
[11:08] <trinikrono> ok i think i have it now
[11:08] <trinikrono> it would be 11am-12pm for me
[11:09] <trinikrono> will just leave it to idle then thanks leoquant
[12:20] <daker> Ronnie, dholbach mhall119 cjohnston nigelb http://isdjango1.3releasedyet.com/
[12:20] <Ronnie> daker: lol
[12:20] <nigelb> haha, neat website
[12:21] <Ronnie> in 1.3 are coming a few very nice features :D
[12:21] <daker> hahaha
[12:21] <Ronnie> also lol @ the url :D
[12:22] <daker> like this one http://ismubarakstillpresident.com/
[12:50] <mhall119> daker: did you make that django one?
[12:51] <daker> no, someone post it on #django-fr
[12:51] <mhall119> ah
[12:51] <mhall119> I'm not sure what's big about 1.3 besides class-based views
[12:52] <nigelb> o/
[12:52] <nigelb> morning mhall119
[12:52] <nigelb> do you have time these next few days to do some summit reviews?
[12:53] <mhall119> not today, unfortunately
[12:54] <mhall119> nigelb: what are you doing April 1st?
[12:54] <nigelb> mhall119: nothing much I suppose, why?
[12:54] <mhall119> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/729/detail/
[12:54] <nigelb> UGJ?
[12:54] <mhall119> cjohnston and I will be summit hacking
[12:54] <mhall119> if you can participate remotely
[12:55] <nigelb> YESSIR!
[12:55] <mhall119> register on LD
[12:55] <mhall119> cjohnston: you haven't registered on LD yet either
[12:56] <nigelb> I've now registered :D
[12:57] <nigelb> Only 2 hours? Pfffft :p
[12:57] <mhall119> \o/
[12:57] <mhall119> nigelb: we both have kids who will be getting out of school
[12:58] <nigelb> oh, right.  2 hours is a big thing.
[12:58] <nigelb> Actually, we could skype up and jus talk instead of IRC
[13:04] <mhall119> that can probably be arranged
[13:04] <nigelb> \o/
[13:04]  * nigelb does happy dance
[13:34] <cjohnston> mornin
[13:53] <nigelb> morning cjohnston
[14:06] <dholbach> daker, :)
[14:06] <daker> :)
[14:54] <mhall119> morning cjohnston dholbach daker
[15:33] <dholbach> hi mhall119
[15:36] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek Day 3 starting in 25 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[15:45] <mhall119> \o/
[16:53] <daker> haha LD session in a few minutes :)
[16:54] <serfus> good luck with that guys :)
[17:33] <YoBoY> Ronnie: I have an error on the manage.py init-ld >> django.db.utils.DatabaseError: no such table: auth_group
[17:34] <Ronnie> YoBoY: have you executed: ./manage.py syncdb
[17:34] <Ronnie> and ./manage.py migrate    ?
[17:34] <YoBoY> ha nop :p
[17:34] <YoBoY> going too fast :D
[17:36] <YoBoY> great that's fine now
[17:59] <mhall119> that is a lot to cover in an hour
[18:00] <YoBoY> yes
[18:03] <YoBoY> if only I had time to work on LD :']
[18:08] <nigelb> oh no, Ghost_of_daker ! ;0
[18:08] <Ghost_of_daker> :D
[18:08] <Ghost_of_daker> è_é
[18:11] <aakshay__> mhall119:  nice session.. :) ...
[18:11] <aakshay__> mhall119:  but m stuckd somewhere :(
[18:12] <YoBoY> where aakshay__ ?
[18:13] <aakshay__> YoBoY: here
[18:13] <aakshay__> YoBoY: ./manage.py syncdb You will need to run  ./manage.py init-ld  to make the LoCo Team Directory fully work. You will need to run  ./manage.py init-ld  to make the LoCo Team Directory fully work. Error: No module named south
[18:14] <aakshay__> YoBoY: Error: No module named south
[18:14] <cjohnston> install python-django-south
[18:14] <cjohnston> make sure you install all the packages in the INSTALL file
[18:15] <YoBoY> aakshay__: read the INSTALL file you have a sudo apt-get install .... line in it
[18:15] <aakshay__> cjohnston: nopes.. :( ......let me check all the packages
[18:15] <aakshay__> cjohnston: thanks.... :) ..
[18:15] <aakshay__> YoBoY: thanks.. :)
[18:15] <cjohnston> aakshay__: what version of ubuntu are you running?
[18:16] <aakshay__> cjohnston: maverick lynx
[18:17] <aakshay__> cjohnston: 10.04
[18:17] <nigelb> that's lucid lynx
[18:17] <cjohnston> aakshay__: you have all of those packages installed?
[18:17] <aakshay__> cjohnston: in progress.. :)
[18:17] <cjohnston> ok
[18:17] <cjohnston> let me know when you finish
[18:18] <YoBoY> Ronnie: the links top-nav are relative to my install not absolute links (example : http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8000/teams/ubuntu-fr/wiki.ubuntu.com ) it's normal ?
[18:19] <Ronnie> YoBoY: thats sounds like a bug
[18:19] <aakshay__> cjohnston: yes... :)
[18:19] <YoBoY> Ronnie: LD or upstream ? ^^"
[18:19] <Ronnie> ill have a look
[18:20] <YoBoY> thanks
[18:23] <aakshay__> cjohnston: yippii... its working...
[18:23] <aakshay__> cjohnston: i run syncdb
[18:23] <Ronnie> its upstream, ill provide a patch
[18:23] <aakshay__> then migrate'
[18:24] <aakshay__> cjohnston: then what to do?
[18:24] <aakshay__> :)
[18:25] <cjohnston> Next you will run the migrate
[18:25] <YoBoY> Ronnie: great :)
[18:25] <cjohnston> you should be able to continue on as was taught in the classroom aakshay__
[18:26] <aakshay__> cjohnston:  yes. if i get stuck somewhere then will come back to ask .. :)
[18:38] <Ronnie> YoBoY: Fixed, mhall119 needs to approve it tough
[18:39] <YoBoY> great :)
[18:39] <YoBoY> and the "user" links to the left, this should be functionnal soon ?
[18:40] <Ronnie> there is a merge proposal for that one
[18:40] <Ronnie> so it mostly depends on cjohnston and mhall119
[18:49] <aakshay_> cjohnston: done with settings.. now i want to start with bugs.. :)
[18:51] <cjohnston> good aakshay_
[18:52] <aakshay_> cjohnston: thanks.. gud nite.. see ya
[18:52] <Ronnie> aakshay_: maybe this is a good bug to work on https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/608289
[18:52] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 608289 in loco-directory "Add continent field to venue (affects: 1)" [Low,Triaged]
[18:52] <aakshay_> Ronnie: ok.. let me start on it now itself
[18:53] <aakshay_> ubot4: ok.. let me start now itself
[18:53] <ubot4> aakshay_: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[18:53] <aakshay_> :)
[18:53] <aakshay_> ubot4: :) ... may be you are... :D
[18:53] <ubot4> aakshay_: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[18:54] <aakshay_> cjohnston: no gud nite.. sry...i am giving a try to fix bugs now..  :)
[18:54] <cjohnston> lol
[18:54] <aakshay_> cjohnston: :D
[18:58] <Ronnie> aakshay_: have you any experience with django?
[18:58] <aakshay_> Ronnie: no.. :(
[18:59] <aakshay_> Ronnie: where to start with it?
[18:59] <Ronnie> oke, if you have some questions about that bug, feel free to ask...
[18:59] <Ronnie> first you need to add an extra field to the venue model
[18:59] <Ronnie> which lives in venues/models.py
[19:00] <Ronnie> that field should be linked to the teams/models.py:Country model
[19:00] <aakshay_> Ronnie: ok..
[19:00] <Ronnie> http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/ref/models/fields/#django.db.models.ForeignKey
[19:01] <aakshay_> Ronnie: ok.. let me check
[19:08] <mhall119> Ronnie: thanks for fixing the top-nav
[19:08] <mhall119> LD's init-ld just grabs the latest trunk of ubuntu_website, I need to upgrade it to use bzr-apps so we can specify a version
[19:09] <Ronnie> mhall119: there is already a merge for the integration of top-nav, so fixing ubuntu_website is not needed atm
[19:09] <aakshay_> Ronnie: i think i need to learn django first because i dont know how to add an extra field  to venue model.. :)
[19:09] <mhall119> Ronnie: a merge in ubuntu_website or in LD?
[19:09] <Ronnie> LD
[19:09] <mhall119> aakshay_: http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/intro/tutorial01/
[19:09] <mhall119> that'll get you going on Django
[19:10] <mhall119> Ronnie: who added top-nav to LD?
[19:10] <aakshay_> mhall119: thanks.. the session was very informative.. do i need to learn python as well?
[19:10] <Ronnie> the continent is almost a copy of the country field "country = models.ForeignKey(Country, null=True)"
[19:10] <mhall119> aakshay_: yes, python is a must
[19:11] <mhall119> but python is easy, especially if you have previous programming knowledge
[19:11] <Ronnie> mhall119: https://code.launchpad.net/~ronnie.vd.c/loco-directory/top-nav/+merge/51459
[19:11] <aakshay_> mhall119: i am good at programming. so let me start learning python and django..
[19:12] <aakshay_> Ronnie: ok.. let me try to edit
[19:13] <mhall119> Ronnie: ah, using the stuff in ubuntu_website, awesome
[19:13] <mhall119> you rock
[19:13] <Ronnie> mhall119: yes, there is also a part for the upcoming "my_teams" page
[19:14] <mhall119> cool, how's that coming?
[19:14] <Ronnie> i needed to fix a few other bugs (see twidentica and rss branched)
[19:15] <Ronnie> the my teams page is almost ready, it need some small tweaks
[19:56] <aakshay_> Ronnie: i added in venues/models.py then its showing an error in database :(.... means v need to edit the other files as well.
[19:56] <Ronnie> aakshay_: you need to update the database by executing south, let me explain
[19:57] <Ronnie> go to the loco_directory folder (cd in terminal) and type (without quotes) "./manage.py schemamigration Venue"
[19:57] <Ronnie> ./manage.py schemamigration Venue --auto
[19:58] <cjohnston> Make sure you have the correct version of south
[20:01] <Ronnie> this command tells south the make a migration file with the difference in the database structure
[20:01] <Ronnie> next we need to apply it on the database
[20:02] <Ronnie> ./manage.py migrate
[20:11] <Ronnie> aakshay_: did it work?
[20:23] <aakshay> Ronnie: Sorry.. net was not working.. i am working with the above commands.
[20:23] <Ronnie> aakshay: take your time, its not a race competition ;)
[20:24] <aakshay> Ronnie: :) ...
[20:33] <Ronnie> aakshay: how its going?
[20:34] <aakshay> Ronnie: it is showing "Nothing ti Migrate" in all
[20:34] <aakshay> *to
[20:34] <Ronnie> and with this command: ./manage.py schemamigration Venue --auto
[20:35] <aakshay> i actually run this command only
[20:35] <aakshay> should i try with the previous one?
[20:35] <Ronnie> oops, my bad, got some typo's
[20:35] <Ronnie> ./manage.py schemamigration venues --auto
[20:36] <aakshay> Ronnie: :-).. okiez.. let me try
[20:36] <Ronnie> it should tell that a 0007 file has been created, if executed correctly
[20:37] <aakshay> Ronnie: yipii.. worked...
[20:37] <aakshay> Ronnie: " Migrating forwards to 0007_auto__add_field_venue_continent.  > venues:0007_auto__add_field_venue_continent  - Loading initial data for venues. "
[20:37] <Ronnie> oke great
[20:37] <Ronnie> now execute: ./manage.py migrate venues
[20:37] <aakshay> Ronnie: ok.. yes
[20:38] <Ronnie> that should make changes to the database
[20:38] <aakshay> Ronnie: it showed nothin to migrate
[20:39] <Ronnie> aakshay: hmm, thats strange
[20:39] <Ronnie> and the command: ./manage.py migrate
[20:39] <aakshay> Ronnie: i think because i run this already with "./manage.py schemamigration venues --auto"
[20:39] <Ronnie> without venues
[20:39] <aakshay> Ronnie: so no need to worry
[20:40] <aakshay> Ronnie: i run this without "venues"
[20:40] <Ronnie> probably the same result
[20:40] <aakshay> Ronnie: yes... ;-)..
[20:40] <aakshay> Ronnie: what to do next?
[20:40] <Ronnie> oke, i guess its good
[20:40] <Ronnie> next we need to check forms.py
[20:41] <Ronnie> this file translates a model into a form
[20:41] <Ronnie> here you can exclude, include fields, do some validation and save the changes to the database
[20:41] <Ronnie> if the form is very standard, this file should be almost empty
[20:42] <aakshay> Ronnie: "standard" refers to???
[20:42] <aakshay> Ronnie: means what does "very standard " mean here
[20:42] <Ronnie> no additional checks, no extra fields (which are not defined in model.py)
[20:42] <aakshay> Ronnie: ok
[20:43] <aakshay> Ronnie: where to access this file
[20:43] <aakshay> ?
[20:43] <Ronnie> venues/forms.py
[20:43] <aakshay> got it
[20:44] <Ronnie> Venue looks like a very standard form. it does one add one validation for the venue.name, and it includes some extra css and js to the page
[20:44] <Ronnie> - first "one"
[20:44] <Ronnie> nothing fancy
[20:44] <aakshay> yes
[20:44] <aakshay> it is
[20:44] <Ronnie> where you have to look is the Meta class
[20:45] <Ronnie> it defines model=Venue (which reffers to the Venue model in models.py)
[20:45] <aakshay> Ronnie: yes.. it is defining
[20:46] <Ronnie> sometime the Meta class has a property exclude = ('some_db_field') or it contains fields = ('some_db_field1', 'another_field')
[20:47] <aakshay> Ronnie: okiez
[20:47] <Ronnie> if meta contained the fields param, you needed to add the new field in there, but if fields is not defined, django automaticcally uses all fields in the model, so were good to ge
[20:47] <Ronnie> ge = go
[20:47] <aakshay> Ronnie: Meta is not showing any fields
[20:47] <aakshay> its showing only single line "metta = venue"
[20:48] <aakshay> *meta
[20:48] <Ronnie> yes, so forms.py is complete (we do not want to add extra checks to the continent field, and django automatically saves it on submit)
[20:49] <Ronnie> the last step is to check the HTML
[20:49] <aakshay> ok..
[20:49] <Ronnie> but this one is probably good already
[20:49] <Ronnie> therefore we go to templates/venues/ folder
[20:49] <aakshay> yes
[20:50] <Ronnie> the only template that uses the form we just checked is the file venue_update.html
[20:50] <aakshay> there is no "folder" in this
[20:51] <aakshay> yes venue_update is tehre
[20:51] <aakshay> *there
[20:51] <Ronnie> try to understand the template
[20:51] <aakshay> ok
[20:51] <Ronnie> and try to think if you need to add something
[20:53] <aakshay> i think in this line "html_addr: $("#id_country, #id_spr, #id_city, #id_address")," we need to add continent field????
[20:53] <Ronnie> aakshay: you have a sharp eye, very good
[20:54] <aakshay> Ronnie: :D.....
[20:54] <aakshay> so can i add "#id_continent"
[20:54] <aakshay> ?
[20:54] <Ronnie> yes
[20:55] <aakshay> done
[20:56] <aakshay> new line is " html_addr: $("#id_country, #id_spr, #id_city, #id_address,#id_continent "),"
[20:56] <Ronnie> then your ready to test (for the sake of readability, you can add an extra space after #id_address
[20:56] <aakshay> okiez..
[20:57] <Ronnie> do you still remember how to start the site
[20:57] <aakshay> ya
[20:58] <aakshay> let me start again
[20:58] <aakshay> :)
[20:58] <aakshay> yippii.. seems as if worked
[20:58] <aakshay> :)
[20:59] <Ronnie> django can be that easy
[20:59] <cjohnston> yay
[20:59] <cjohnston> push it up, and it will be reviewed...
[21:00] <cjohnston> fwiw, a review may take a while
[21:01] <aakshay> done
[21:01] <aakshay> :)
[21:01] <aakshay> :)
[21:01] <aakshay> its showing teh continents
[21:01] <aakshay> *the
[21:01] <aakshay> cjohnston: o/....
[21:01] <aakshay> Ronnie: what to do next?..... :)
[21:02] <cjohnston> aakshay: you want to commit the changes
[21:02] <Ronnie> you can commit the changes, and push to your own lp profile
[21:02] <cjohnston> bzr commit -m "text about what you did" --fixes lp:12345
[21:02] <aakshay> ok
[21:02] <aakshay> need to run in loco_directory?
[21:03] <cjohnston> then bzr push lp:~username/loco-directory/12345
[21:03] <aakshay> cjohnston: need to run in loco_directory?
[21:03] <cjohnston> I run it in the base direcotry.. i dont know if it matters
[21:03] <cjohnston> so the directory that has the INSTALL file
[21:04] <aakshay> means in loco-directory?
[21:04] <Ronnie> yes
[21:04] <aakshay> okiez.. let me commit
[21:04] <Ronnie> usually when you branch files, you execute the command bzr branch lp:loco-directory foldername
[21:05] <Ronnie> the foldername can be anything you like, so choose a descriptive name for the bug you trying to fix
[21:05] <aakshay> yes
[21:06] <Ronnie> my projects folder contains atm 16 different branches of loco-directory, so with a good name you can easiliy find which folder belongs to what fix
[21:07] <aakshay> okiez.. thats the best way :)
[21:08] <Ronnie> my folder hirarchy is usually /projects/<project-name>/<name-of-fix>
[21:08] <Ronnie> or bugnr_name-of-fix
 is the is the bug number
[21:09] <aakshay> ?
[21:10] <Ronnie> if you only use the bugnumber, its hard to find the right folder, because you have too lookup the number in LP to know which bug, therefore i add an extra descriptive tekst
[21:10] <aakshay> yes thats easy way then
[21:10] <aakshay> :)
[21:10] <aakshay> and i pushed the changes
[21:10] <aakshay> :)
[21:11] <aakshay> what to do next?
[21:11] <Ronnie> i see, now you need to tell that the code is ready to be merged into the main brnach
[21:11] <Ronnie> https://code.launchpad.net/~akshaytayal/loco-directory/608289
[21:11] <Ronnie> this is the link of your created branch
[21:11] <Ronnie> there is a button "Propose for merging"
[21:11] <aakshay> yes
[21:12] <Ronnie> click that one, and add a desription of the change you made
[21:13] <aakshay> now propose merge?
[21:13] <Ronnie> yes
[21:13] <aakshay> clicked it
[21:14] <aakshay> showing the status "Pending"
[21:14] <aakshay> :)
[21:14] <Ronnie> yes, now you have to lean back, and wait for response
[21:14] <aakshay> yeee!!!!..... :) ......
[21:14] <cjohnston> Ronnie: stop teaching people to spam s!
[21:14] <cjohnston> s!
[21:14] <cjohnston> us!
[21:14] <aakshay> \o/
[21:15] <Ronnie> if the code is OK, it will be merged, if not we will provide some feedback about the changes that you need to make
[21:16] <Ronnie> when the branch is merged into trunk, then you can delete the folder on your pc
[21:16] <aakshay> ok....but now you gave all the directions what to do next.. how will i do the bug correction myself?
[21:16] <aakshay> okiez
[21:16] <aakshay>  ok....but now you gave all the directions what to do next.. how will i do the bug correction myself?
[21:17] <cjohnston> what do you mean
[21:17] <cjohnston> you just fixed a bug
[21:17] <Ronnie> if you want to di it yourself, you need to learn django. if you know its structure, you can fix bugs yourself
[21:17] <cjohnston> so just do the same thing
[21:18] <aakshay> ok then i will start learning django by today itself... because i dint know while file to visit next for the correction
[21:18] <aakshay> what about pyhton?
[21:18] <cjohnston> I just learn stuff as I go
[21:19] <Ronnie> you you have experience with other languages, i think you can start directly with the django manual
[21:19] <Ronnie> python is not that hard, i think you can learn both at the same time
[21:19] <aakshay> ya i am perfect with c++ coding... okiez.. so i start with django
[21:19] <aakshay> :)
[21:20] <Ronnie> if you need help, there is a #python and #django channel, LD specific questions can you ask here
[21:20] <cjohnston> I'm in both python and django
[21:20] <aakshay> ok.. and i will also learn stuff as i go
[21:20] <aakshay> :)
[21:20] <cjohnston> if you are nice, they will help you
[21:20] <Ronnie> indeed
[21:20] <cjohnston> and since our code is open source, you can show them the actual code and they will be able to help you easier
[21:20]  * Ronnie is still learning too. for each bug i need the django documentation
[21:21] <aakshay> :D
[21:21] <aakshay> cjohnston: okiez.. n yes we can show the code too :)
[21:21] <aakshay> any suggestions which bug should i take next?
[21:21] <aakshay> :)
[21:22] <Ronnie> aakshay: https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/723845
[21:22] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 723845 in loco-directory "Change order on Event and Meeting pages (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Low,Confirmed]
[21:22] <cjohnston> thats an easy one
[21:22] <cjohnston> i was gonna do it, but feel free aakshay
[21:22] <Ronnie> altough this is more a html thing than django
[21:23] <aakshay> ok .. so i will start with this by today itself
[21:23] <aakshay> but i may take time.. :(
[21:23] <cjohnston> aakshay: that one is a cut and paste
[21:23] <aakshay> ok then its very easy... :)
[21:24] <aakshay> i will do it today only then
[21:24] <aakshay> *will try :D
[21:24] <cjohnston> Ronnie: im settin up to merge in the code you approved, then ill try to do a couple reviews
[21:25] <Ronnie> cjohnston: great :D
[21:27] <Ronnie> aakshay: a more django bug is this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/616383
[21:27] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 616383 in loco-directory "Needs ability to directly link to a comment (affects: 1)" [Wishlist,Triaged]
[21:27] <Ronnie> or this https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/616547
[21:27] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 616547 in loco-directory "Edit/Delete Comments (affects: 1)" [Wishlist,Triaged]
[21:27] <aakshay> Ronnie: okiez.. but you need to help me with these
[21:28] <Ronnie> today i got one hour left
[21:28] <aakshay> no problem..i will ask you tommorrow..
[21:29] <aakshay> here also its 3 AM ..:D
[21:29] <aakshay> and i hav college in morning....;)
[21:29] <Ronnie> where do you come from?
[21:30] <aakshay> m in India
[21:30] <aakshay> :)
[21:30] <cjohnston> nigelb: ^
[21:30] <Ronnie> Tricky comes from india too (but he is not online now)
[21:30] <Ronnie> which part of india
[21:31] <aakshay> m in Delhi
[21:31] <aakshay> :)
[21:31] <aakshay> where do you come from?
[21:32] <Ronnie> im from The Netherlands (a very small country in west europe)
[21:32] <Ronnie> next to germany
[21:32] <aakshay> okiez.. :)...
[21:33]  * cjohnston and mhall119 are from Florida (US)
[21:33] <aakshay> i have heard about it before.. :) ...
[21:33] <aakshay> :D
[21:34] <mhall119> aakshay: I commented on your merge proposal
[21:34] <mhall119> Ronnie or cjohnston, could you walk him through making a south migration script?
[21:34] <mhall119> I've about to leave for home
[21:34] <Ronnie> mhall119: more the "brz add" command ;)
[21:34] <cjohnston> I thought Ronnie did
[21:35] <aakshay> mhall119: ok.. checking...
[21:35] <cjohnston> bzr add sounds better
[21:35] <cjohnston> aakshay:
[21:35] <cjohnston> go back to loco-directory
[21:35] <aakshay> ok
[21:35] <aakshay> m in
[21:35] <mhall119> oh, did he just not add it?
[21:36] <cjohnston> Ronnie: bzr add loco_directory/venues/migrations/  ?
[21:36] <mhall119> you guys rock
[21:36] <cjohnston> mhall119: I believe so
[21:36] <aakshay> cjohnston: next... :)
[21:36] <cjohnston> aakshay: trying to make sure I give you the correct thing
[21:36] <Ronnie> just bzr add in the top directory
[21:36] <mhall119> aakshay: did bzr add say it added a file?
[21:37] <cjohnston> aakshay: "bzr add *"
[21:37] <aakshay> i dint do "add"
[21:37] <aakshay> i run "commit" and "push".. :)
[21:38] <mhall119> you have to bzr add $file
[21:38] <cjohnston> right.. do the add now, then the commit, then the push
[21:38] <mhall119> whenever you have a new file you want to include in the bzr branch
[21:38] <aakshay> ok...
[21:38] <mhall119> otherwise bzr ignores it
[21:38] <aakshay> let me do it
[21:38] <aakshay> ok.. now which file i need to "bzr add"?
[21:38] <Ronnie> you can always check with the command "bzr status"
[21:38] <aakshay> ok
[21:39] <mhall119> loco_directory/venues/migrations/{{whatever is new}}
[21:39] <mhall119> bzr add loco_directory/venues/migrations/*.py will add any new .py files
[21:39] <aakshay> ok yes.. now m adding
[21:39] <YoBoY> (or just "bzr add" who adds any new files)
[21:40] <mhall119> then bzr st will show an "A" next to the file
[21:40] <mhall119> YoBoY: but that can sometimes add way more than you want
[21:40] <cjohnston> thats why i dont like bzr add
[21:40] <mhall119> just be specific and you'll be fine
[21:41] <YoBoY> unwanted files have no place in the source code, or have to be in the ignore list
[21:41] <aakshay> i run " bzr add loco_directory/venues/*.py "
[21:41] <aakshay> n get in status "akshay@akshay-laptop:~/loco/loco-directory$ bzr status unknown:   loco_directory/venues/migrations/0007_auto__add_field_venue_continent.py "
[21:41] <mhall119> forgot the /migrations/
[21:41] <aakshay> eeerr
[21:41] <mhall119> bzr add loco_directory/venues/migrations/*.py
[21:42] <aakshay> done.. got the satus as "adding loco_directory/venues/migrations/0007_auto__add_field_venue_continent.py "
[21:42] <aakshay> now commit?
[21:43] <mhall119> now you'll have to do another commit and push
[21:43] <mhall119> yes
[21:43] <aakshay> ok yes
[21:43] <mhall119> you can push to the same branch as before, and it'll update Launchpad
[21:43] <mhall119> and your merge proposal too
[21:43] <Ronnie> the push can now be without the directory, bzr remembers the last pushed directory for you
[21:44] <aakshay> but i mentioned it now.. i hope no problem will occur?
[21:44] <aakshay> pushed done
[21:44] <Ronnie> no, thats no problem ;)
[21:44] <Ronnie> its joust quicker to type
[21:44] <aakshay> ok.. now what next?
[21:44] <aakshay> :)
[21:45] <aakshay> the URL
[21:45] <Ronnie> choose a bug to work on
[21:45] <aakshay> ok it will itself "propose to merge "?
[21:45] <Ronnie> yes, the propose it updated
[21:46] <aakshay> ok..
[21:46] <mhall119> once you propose a branch for merging, any additional pushes to that branch will update the proposal
[21:46] <aakshay> ok...
[21:46] <aakshay> now i am start working on "https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/616383"
[21:47] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 616383 in loco-directory "Needs ability to directly link to a comment (affects: 1)" [Wishlist,Triaged]
[21:47] <aakshay> and "https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/723845"
[21:47] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 723845 in loco-directory "Change order on Event and Meeting pages (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Low,Confirmed]
[21:48] <mhall119> okay guys, I'm off, talk to you  later
[21:48] <daker> aakshay, just assigne to yourself and set its status to "In progress", then start working
[21:49] <aakshay> mhall119: see ya... and thanks.. :)
[21:49] <mhall119> aakshay: happy to have you on board with LD
[21:49] <mhall119> :)
[21:49] <aakshay> daker: okiez... :)
[21:49] <aakshay> mhall119: my pleasure..... :) ...
[21:58] <cjohnston> aakshay: if you want to subscribe to bug mail you can go to: https://launchpad.net/loco-directory/+subscribe  then you will get emails when bugs are touched
[21:59] <aakshay> cjohnston: okiez.. it would be better.. :)
[22:00] <aakshay> subscribed :)
[22:02] <Ronnie> aakshay: look again to the comment of mhall119 about the translatable verbose field: https://code.launchpad.net/~akshaytayal/loco-directory/608289/+merge/51963
[22:02] <Ronnie> and if you do a new commit, is common to use another commit message (the message should contain a short description about the change you did on between the last commit)
[22:04] <cjohnston> Ronnie: I just got: AgendaItem with pk=22 does not exists     on an import-live-data
[22:04] <Ronnie> hmm, let me check
[22:05] <aakshay> Ronnie: i did not added " verbose_name=_('Continent'), "... so should i add and then commit again?
[22:05] <Ronnie> aakshay: indeed
[22:06] <aakshay> okiez.. :)
[22:10] <cjohnston> and the spam has begun
[22:10] <cjohnston> hehe
[22:11] <aakshay> Ronnie: and he also added to create  "South migration script".. i hope we have added it?
[22:12] <cjohnston> Ronnie: did you fix https://code.launchpad.net/~ronnie.vd.c/loco-directory/translation-blocktrans/+merge/50447
[22:12] <cjohnston> aakshay: the bzr add would add the migration script
[22:12] <Ronnie> aakshay: at the bottom of https://code.launchpad.net/~akshaytayal/loco-directory/608289/+merge/51963 you can see whats added
[22:13] <Ronnie> cjohnston: probably not fixed yet. didnt see your comment
[22:13] <aakshay> cjohnston: okiez.. the same "bzr add" :)
[22:14] <cjohnston> :-)
[22:14] <aakshay> Ronnie: yes its much clear from there
[22:14] <aakshay> cjohnston: :-)
[22:14] <cjohnston> Ronnie: the "mothership" or top-nav needs to be changed to white
[22:15] <Ronnie> cjohnston: i think white is ugly (compare wiki.ubuntu.com with planet.ubuntu.com)
[22:21] <Ronnie> cjohnston: how can i resolve the conflict in my branch?
[22:34] <Ronnie> conflict is fixed now
[22:41] <Ronnie> akshay: can you change the commit message (bzr commit -m "...." ) next commit, 4 times the same message is confusing
[22:42] <akshay> okiez.. i will.. :-p...
[22:44] <cjohnston> Ronnie: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+bug/728091
[22:44] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 728091 in ubuntu-website "#top-nav needs to be #FFFFFF (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Confirmed]
[22:45] <Ronnie> cjohnston: ill fix that upstream then, if this is a decision for all community teams
[22:46] <Ronnie> oh, the bug is updtream ;)
[22:46] <cjohnston> thats per the design guidelines
[22:46] <cjohnston> or atleast the design team
[22:47] <cjohnston> Ronnie: what do you think about changing start date and local time of the event to local date and time...
[22:49] <cjohnston> https://code.launchpad.net/~ronnie.vd.c/loco-directory/forms-layout/+merge/50483
[22:49] <Ronnie> cjohnston: where do you see start_date, do you mean in the code, of from the user pov
[22:50] <cjohnston> Ronnie: ^
[22:50] <cjohnston> user pov.. hover over the ? on the create event form
[22:50] <cjohnston> it isnt start_date... its "start date and local time of the event"
[22:51] <Ronnie> local date and time would be better yes
[22:51] <cjohnston> k..
[22:51] <cjohnston> ill take care of that
[22:52] <Ronnie> cjohnston: i think about revert the forms-layout and write a new one, which follows the design guidelines
[22:52] <cjohnston> ok.. so you want to dump that code?
[22:54] <Ronnie> i think so, depends on the speed of the other coded
[22:55] <cjohnston> other?
[22:58] <Ronnie> cjohnston: this is almost like the web-guidelines: http://ubuntuone.com/p/frF/
[22:59] <cjohnston> ok
[23:00] <cjohnston> mhall119: Ronnie I think we need to discuss the top nav... Are we just going to have our own links, are we going to stay with the links that is used on *.u.c, do we want to try to get *.u.c to add LoCo Directory?
[23:01] <Ronnie> i hope the top-nav would be all the same on *.u.c (with l.u.c included)
[23:01] <cjohnston> well.. right now its quite fare off
[23:01] <cjohnston> far
[23:02] <cjohnston> thiers is ubuntu.com community support partners
[23:10] <Ronnie> cjohnston: i know where the error "AgendaItem with pk=22 does not exists" came from. AgendaItem has a fied "parent" which links to another AgendaItem, but the parent was not created yet. I need to think of a solution
[23:10] <Ronnie> maybe we can implement: http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/ref/django-admin/#loaddata-fixture-fixture
[23:10] <cjohnston> Ronnie: I'm going to try to have a meeting tomorrow about the top-nav
[23:10] <cjohnston> how could it link to a parent that isnt created
[23:11] <cjohnston> mhall119: ^^ interesting info
[23:12] <aakshay> i am leaving now...
[23:12] <cjohnston> o/
[23:12] <Ronnie> aakshay: good (short) night
[23:12] <aakshay> thanks a lot for help...
[23:12] <aakshay> :-)
[23:12] <cjohnston> thank you too
[23:12] <aakshay> \o/
[23:12] <Ronnie> thank you too
[23:12] <aakshay> cjohnston: :D
[23:13] <aakshay> see you tommorrow...
[23:13] <aakshay> gud nite....
[23:13] <aakshay> :)
[23:13] <aakshay> Ronnie: :D
[23:13] <aakshay> cjohnston: :D
[23:13] <Ronnie> cjohnston: the parent is created in the server database, and pushed into the json correctly, but the child is just locally created before the parent is
[23:14] <cjohnston> hmm
[23:14] <Ronnie> the link above will be much easier and not to forget a lot quicker
[23:14] <Ronnie> but we need to find a way to filter the items
[23:14] <Ronnie> its possible to filter a whole model, but not a model field
[23:15] <cjohnston> ya
[23:15] <Ronnie> so maybe we need to parse the dumpdata json on the server, and remove the private parts
[23:16] <Ronnie> then save the json dump file on the server
[23:17] <Ronnie> do a daily dump file update (which uses less server recources than access the database each import-live-data request)
[23:18] <daker> Ronnie, cjohnston http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8877/ <= have a look
[23:19] <Ronnie> daker: is it a new site?
[23:19] <daker> a new version (django) of cloud.u.c
[23:21] <Ronnie> its very nice (i dont know the old one tough)
[23:22] <daker> both are made by me ツ
[23:22] <Ronnie> well done then
[23:23] <daker> ツ
[23:24] <daker> good night
[23:25] <Ronnie> good night daker
[23:33] <YoBoY> cjohnston: bug 728108 and bug 724761 are the same ?
[23:33] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 728108 in loco-directory "Change the help text for starting and ending times (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/728108
[23:33] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 724761 in loco-directory "help message of the date and time of an event (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/724761
[23:34] <Ronnie> i think the "local" hint should be in the label too, not only the help text
[23:35] <YoBoY> Ronnie: bug 724759
[23:35] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 724759 in loco-directory "always display the needed information for the time of an event (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/724759
[23:35] <YoBoY> ;)
[23:37] <Ronnie> YoBoY: your the "bug creator master" ;)
[23:38] <Ronnie> anyways, ill go to sleep to
[23:38] <YoBoY> I just register lot of events, and forgot always the utc/local aspect
[23:39] <Ronnie> an heavy (not in term of weight, but in terms of usage) user, is always the best reference for targetting bugs ;)
[23:40] <Ronnie> good night all
[23:40] <YoBoY> goof night too :)
[23:42] <cjohnston> YoBoY: they arent duplicate.. the one i made changes the wording order
[23:43] <YoBoY> ok :)
[23:45] <aakshay> cjohnston: Ronnie : in this bug "https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/723845", the UI of Events will be in which folder?
[23:45] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 723845 in loco-directory "Change order on Event and Meeting pages (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Low,Confirmed]
[23:47] <cjohnston> loco_directory/templates/events and loco_directory/templates/meetings
[23:47] <cjohnston> if you find some text, like the labels, you can grep them to find out what files they are in
[23:49] <aakshay> cjohnston: i located this also... its in  "team_event_list.inc.html"
[23:50] <aakshay> but what i noticed that the actual output is not exactly according to the code written
[23:50] <cjohnston> how so
[23:51] <aakshay> cjohnston: there are four columns
[23:51] <aakshay> "EventName     Teams     Start      End      Global Event"   in code
[23:52] <cjohnston> yup
[23:52] <aakshay> and in display it is "Eventname     start      End      TeamEvents"
[23:52] <aakshay> how can it be so?
[23:53] <cjohnston> your looking at the team event list
[23:53] <aakshay> how can name be changed to  "team events"?
[23:53] <cjohnston> you need to look at the global event list
[23:53] <aakshay> yes
[23:53] <aakshay> oops!!!!!
[23:53] <aakshay> okiez
[23:53] <aakshay> :p
[23:57] <aakshay_> cjohnston: so there is no "GlobalEvent"  column in the list
[23:57] <cjohnston> what file
[23:57] <aakshay_> cjohnston: the file is "global_event_list.inc.html"
[23:57] <aakshay_> in the events folder under templates
[23:58] <cjohnston> sorry
[23:58] <cjohnston> look at evetn_list
[23:59] <aakshay_> okiez..
[23:59] <aakshay_> let mem check
[23:59] <aakshay_> *me
[23:59] <cjohnston> the global event list is for a global event, it displays all events that are a part of it
[23:59] <aakshay_> okiez..