[01:36] <guiverc> Bashing-om, a "; It" (capital latter in middle of sentance) grabs my attention on wiki but its' different to gdoc...   not that I'm good with english; but i was taught its the same sentence after ;
[01:36] <guiverc> 21.04/joey sneddon article
[01:38] <guiverc> we need to add a "," I believe in itsfoss one so I believe we'll need to edit
[01:43] <guiverc> Bashing-om, I'm very pleased to notice 21.04 EOL in Events - well done Sir
[01:45] <guiverc> my read thru is complete; comments ^ with "," marked on gdoc
[01:51] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Lubuntu Blog: Lubuntu 21.04 End of Life and Current Support Statuses @ https://lubuntu.me/hirsute-eol/
[02:10] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Fixing ^ :D
[02:37] <Bashing-om> UWN: Latest edits caught up :D
[02:48] <guiverc> looks good Bashing-om; thanks
[02:58] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Great - sometimes I just do not see the tree for the forest :P
[03:02] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Lubuntu 21.04 End of Life and Current Support Statuses - 16JAN. As will be EOL by next issue - do we qnt to break protocol and run this advisory in this week's issue ?
[03:02] <Bashing-om> qny/want*
[03:07] <guiverc> I'm (very) happy for it's inclusion...   thanks Bashing-om !
[03:08] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Bullet it under the General heading good nuf ?
[03:10] <guiverc> Yep.. thanks
[03:17] <guiverc> ps.  if you want a summary I'll write one (it'll be short)
[03:26]  * guiverc is away from keyboard often; will reply when I see requests
[03:26] <Bashing-om> guiverc: As this is "official" would not be fit to run this under what we have in the Blogo - How about we run in General Community News for Lubuntu 21.04 End of Life under its own heading ?
[03:27] <guiverc> yes that seems more fitting; I felt of itemized/listed under Joey's, but the official nature of it meant that was wrong (to me anyways)
[03:27] <guiverc> I can write summary if helpful
[03:29] <Bashing-om> guiverc: I pretty fried by now - Be great if ya undertake to write the summary: https://lubuntu.me/hirsute-eol/. I do the set up on the WIKI.
[03:31] <guiverc> i'll put in gdoc near top
[03:32] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Works for me -- I pick it back up when ya getter done :D
[03:33] <guiverc> [proof] reading it now
[03:40] <guiverc> thanks Bashing-om , greatly appreciated !
[03:40] <guiverc> s/warns us/warns/??  (didn't notice on gdoc, but I've got the wiki on larger/clearer screen)
[03:45] <Bashing-om> guiverc: checking :!
[03:46] <Bashing-om> guiverc: I prefer the more general "warns" .
[05:12] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: GNOME Mulls ‘Cleanup’ of Background Settings in Pursuit of New Features @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/01/gnome-background-settings-removal (by Joey Sneddon)
[19:41] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Canonical Kubernetes for Financial Services @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/canonical-kubernetes-for-financial-services
[20:48] <Bashing-om> UWN: Pulling "WIP" - No further edits are known, Time to push 21:00 UTC :D
[20:53] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: ‘Burn My Windows’ GNOME Extension Adds 3 New Effects & Random Mode @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/01/burn-my-windows-gnome-extension-adds-3-new-effects-random-mode (by Joey Sneddon)
[21:01] <Bashing-om> UWN: ubuntu-news@lists is away - doing the Forum post next.
[21:12]  * guiverc still waiting for full-upgrade & normal morning stuff to complete (nearly done I think)
[21:19] <Bashing-om> UWN: Forum post done - next up are the Re-Directs for me.
[21:19] <Bashing-om> guiverc: The Fridge script is hollering about line 55 :(
[21:20]  * guiverc was just about to discover that.. term just emptied of upgrade.script
[21:26] <guiverc> looked good to me; thus https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2022/01/17/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-718/
[21:27] <guiverc> oops - i see issue now
[21:27] <guiverc> sorry
[21:27] <Bashing-om> guiverc: fixable in a timely manner ?
[21:28] <guiverc> brought to you by @ bottom is missing...
[21:31] <guiverc> updated 718 on fridge
[21:33] <guiverc> uwn 718 tweeted & published to telegram
[21:34] <Bashing-om> Fridge - spot check checks all good.
[21:35] <guiverc> disappointed I didn't notice the issue on `mousepad` (editor I use for fridge.post) - it's OBVIOUS now ...
[21:35] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Place Gdoc's 718 as history now ?
[21:35] <guiverc> yep wipe away
[21:36] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Lots of these little things we have to watch out for - Of all there is - one is bound to bite sooner or later :P
[21:44] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: The Fridge: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 718 @ https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2022/01/17/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-718/
[21:45] <guiverc> uwn 718 posted to fb
[22:03] <Bashing-om> UWN: WE do issue719 :D
[22:05] <krytarik> Bashing-om, guiverc: Appears you dropped the "And many others" from the credits list, and that's why the Fridge script failed there.
[22:15] <guiverc> ack & thanks krytarik
[22:30] <Bashing-om> krytarik: My most bad - fixing !
[23:19] <guiverc> Bashing-om, I'm the one who should have caught/detected it PRIOR to my publish on fridge (not secs later; as I sat back & re-scanned it leaning back..)
[23:28] <Bashing-om> guiverc: All good in the end - I do sometimes get carried away with all the cutting - copy/pasteing that getting the WIKI together entails :P


[14:50] <cjwatson> wgrant: Hmm, if I move generate_extra_overrides.py to ubuntu-archive-publishing, then I obviously can't use the database directly to extract the list of operable series.  Should I arrange to pass that in the environment, or would it be better to use launchpadlib from pepo?
[15:06] <wgrant> cjwatson: Hrm.
[15:06] <wgrant> cjwatson: launchpadlib wouldn't be horrible, given it's all RO.
[15:06] <wgrant> Different scripts have different rules about the series they operate on, so it's possibly best left up to them to calculate the list.
[15:09] <cjwatson> Yeah, indeed I'll need to move out maintenance-check at the same time and it has different rules
[15:09] <cjwatson> We'll be able to drop germinateroot from the publisher config, since nothing else cares


[00:49] <lotuspsychje> good night to all
[00:49] <lotuspsychje> mosquito hunted me cant sleep
[01:00] <Bashing-om> In each cloud that silver linning . WB lotuspsychje :)
[01:04] <lotuspsychje> hey Bashing-om
[01:06] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Cafinatting to continue on ?
[01:08] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[01:08] <lotuspsychje> evening ptetteh227
[06:11] <lordievader> Good morning
[10:11] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[15:20] <nicomachus> well I finally found a firefox add-on that hides the huge titlebar and actually works.
[15:20] <daftykins> huge titlebar? where the tabs are?
[15:43] <nicomachus> daftykins: no, above the tabs.
[15:43] <nicomachus> Where it says "<site title> - Mozilla Firefox"
[15:44] <nicomachus> it was costing me valuable real estate.
[15:45] <daftykins> oh that's not a thing here
[15:46] <daftykins> just tabs at the top, (window controls on the right) followed by the address bar, then the page
[15:46] <daftykins> Windows version admittedly but i doubt they're different
[15:54] <nicomachus> daftykins: stock: http://i.imgur.com/f7Jqt2g.png
[15:54] <nicomachus> with add-on to remove titlebar: http://i.imgur.com/bXmZ3sz.png
[15:57] <ducasse> that's a wm thing, which is there depending on an x11 flag
[15:58] <ducasse> aiui, windows with the WM_DOCK flag does not get a titlebar, also true for certain other flags
[15:58] <nicomachus> yea, it is, you're right.
[16:01] <daftykins> ah i see
[16:01] <daftykins> mmm that's ugly
[16:06] <nicomachus> which one? lol
[16:06] <daftykins> with the bar :>
[16:09] <nicomachus> yea. with the system title bar/panel/whatever you wanna call it at the top, it really just was too much. So little space for actual webpage content.
[16:09] <nicomachus> Now I'm getting some odd tearing on scroll, though... weird.
[16:11] <daftykins> what's your screen res?
[16:15] <nicomachus> 1366x768
[16:16] <daftykins> ouch
[16:29] <nicomachus> yep. laptop. about 5-6 years old.
[18:39] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[18:41] <daftykins> hi hi! how goes it in lotus land?
[18:41] <lotuspsychje> hey daftykins
[18:41] <lotuspsychje> great here on my side, what about you?
[18:42] <daftykins> yeah good thanks! off to London tomorrow for a wedding though
[18:42] <daftykins> not a big fan :P
[18:43] <lotuspsychje> :p
[18:44] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: found the right smoking?
[18:44] <daftykins> hmm?
[18:44] <lotuspsychje> suit :p
[18:45] <daftykins> oh yeesh, i'm wearing some old rubbish i wore a couple of weeks ago to another wedding ;)
[18:45] <lotuspsychje> dress?
[18:45] <lotuspsychje> lol
[18:45] <daftykins> shirt is new, but the shoes are the same since school :D no joke
[18:45] <daftykins> 16 years ago
[18:45] <lotuspsychje> hehe
[18:48] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: we are trying to make a bullet journal for my gf
[18:49] <lotuspsychje> pretty intense
[18:49] <daftykins> what's one of those when it's at home? :)
[18:49] <lotuspsychje> lol
[18:49] <lotuspsychje> its an empty book to be more productive
[18:50] <daftykins> O_O
[18:50] <daftykins> ye olde analog, with pen/pencil? :)
[18:50] <lotuspsychje> to create a kind of calendar analog with more structure
[18:52] <daftykins> do you mean in software? :D
[18:52] <lotuspsychje> no lol
[18:52] <daftykins> ooh
[18:53] <lotuspsychje> write with this kind of structure= index=year=month=week=day=brainstorm
[18:54] <daftykins> ah i don't have a to-do list, but it's top on my mental to-do list, to write one!
[18:58] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: yeah, but she has like thousands of notes n such
[18:58] <lotuspsychje> hey oerheks
[18:59] <oerheks> hi lotus
[19:00] <daftykins> lotuspsychje: ah like post-it notes scattered?
[19:00] <daftykins> oerheks: \o sir
[19:01] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: yeah combined stuff
[19:02] <lotuspsychje> !info firefox xenial
[19:03] <daftykins> that feeling when your browser is larger than an OS
[19:03] <lotuspsychje> lol
[19:03] <immu> daftykins, lol
[19:03] <lotuspsychje> bbl
[19:04] <oerheks> 16 mb code ..
[19:04] <oerheks> oh boy
[19:07] <oerheks> firefox                            158,760      installed
[19:07] <oerheks> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25327458/
[19:07] <oerheks> google-chrome-stable               237,182
[19:08] <oerheks> oink
[19:12] <nicomachus> oerheks: you gotta a lotta kernels there.
[19:15] <oerheks> hmm, autoremove does not fix that...
[19:15] <oerheks> it did before
[19:16] <daftykins> just configs left maybe? i always purge instead of autoremove so it removes all traces of old ones
[19:16] <nicomachus> they are probably marked as manually installed.
[19:16] <daftykins> gives nice clean output from "dpkg -l | grep linux-" then too :D
[19:17] <oerheks> dpkg -l linux-{image,headers}-* | awk '/^ii/{print $2}' | egrep '[0-9]+\.[0-9]+\.[0-9]+' | grep -v $(uname -r | cut -d- -f-2) | xargs sudo apt-get -y purge # working ....
[19:19] <nicomachus> heh... looks like it may have done more than he intended.
[19:23] <oerheks> :-)
[19:23] <nicomachus> oerheks: remove a few too many? lol
[19:24] <oerheks> no, somehow i needed to reboot...
[19:24] <oerheks> now i see only .32 in the /boot folder
[19:38] <nicomachus> ah, you only kept 1? I too like to live dangerously.
[19:39] <oerheks> i am baffled...
[19:40] <oerheks> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25327636/
[19:40] <oerheks> autoremove does not work, script does not fix..
[19:41] <oerheks> and synaptic does not show them
[19:42] <immu> good nite
[20:44] <nacc> oerheks: are they pinned/marked?
[21:12] <oerheks> nacc, not pinned, i never done that
[21:12] <oerheks> i just got back, and have time to look into it..
[21:16] <oerheks> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25328087/
[21:17] <oerheks> i think i need to sudo apt remove --purge <kernel1> <kernel2> etc
[21:22] <oerheks> done, lets reboot
[21:23] <oerheks> well, booting works..
[21:23] <oerheks> oerheks@oerheks-workstation:~$ dpkg --list | grep linux-image
[21:23] <oerheks> ii  linux-image-4.10.0-32-generic                   4.10.0-32.36                                  amd64        Linux kernel image for version 4.10.0 on 64 bit x86 SMP
[21:23] <oerheks> ii  linux-image-extra-4.10.0-32-generic             4.10.0-32.36                                  amd64        Linux kernel extra modules for version 4.10.0 on 64 bit x86 SMP
[21:24] <oerheks> ii  linux-image-generic                             <IP_ADDRESS>.32                                  amd64        Generic Linux kernel image
[21:24] <oerheks> oerheks@oerheks-workstation:~$
[21:25] <oerheks> hmmmmm?
[21:25] <oerheks> http://i.imgur.com/wcTDHrH.png
[22:10] <nacc> oerheks: or 'marked' (as manually installed)
[22:10] <oerheks> nacc, nope, always upgraded properly.. that is what is odd about this
[22:10] <oerheks> but now i must live with 1 kernel only
[22:11] <nacc> oerheks: even stranger
[22:11] <Bashing-om> oerheks: risky busuness that ^ :(
[22:11] <oerheks> jups, fresh install 17.04.
[22:12] <nacc> oerheks: that seems like the underlying script didn't save two kernels
[22:13] <nacc> oerheks: although if you manually purge kernels, that script is irrelevant
[22:13] <oerheks> Now i removed the others manually, and upgraded grub
[22:18] <oerheks> dpkg log http://termbin.com/swhg
[22:18] <oerheks> not sure what to look for
[22:20] <oerheks> history.log http://termbin.com/w09o
[22:21] <Bashing-om> oerheks: So far so good . looking at history now .
[22:22] <oerheks> well, if someone encounters the same, i should file a bugreport
[22:26] <Bashing-om> oerheks: Just joining - what is the issue you are experiencing ? By the way, did the kernel headers get removed ?
[22:28] <oerheks> Bashing-om, i got a lot of old kernel parts, and autoremove did not do its job..
[22:28] <oerheks> lets see the log from here
[22:29] <oerheks> 19.12 and on .. https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2017/08/16/%23ubuntu-discuss.txt
[22:29] <oerheks> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25327636/
[22:30] <oerheks> now i removed them manually, but i have 1 kernel in boot :-D
[22:34] <Bashing-om> oerheks: Clean up the cruft ' dpkg -l | awk '/^rc/{print $2}' | xargs sudo dpkg -P " ( thanks to krycek for the simplification ! ). If I may say so . make sure the package manager is consistent and then install the -30 kernel .
[22:37] <oerheks> installin -30 now
[22:38] <oerheks> yay
[22:38] <oerheks> restart now .. i'll do
[22:45] <Bashing-om> oerheks: I do this a lot in support . I have just a bit of experience . What shows now ' ls -al /vmlinuz* /initrd.img* ' ?
[22:47] <oerheks> looks oke to me http://paste.ubuntu.com/25328678/
[22:48] <oerheks> uname -a
[22:48] <oerheks> Linux oerheks-workstation 4.10.0-32-generic #36-Ubuntu SMP Tue Aug 8 12:10:06 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[22:50] <Bashing-om> oerheks: Nope "/initrd.img.old -> boot/initrd.img-4.10.0-32-generic " where .old is point to the new jernel . What have we in /boot/ ' ls -al /boot/ ? and consider redoing the sym;inks to point to the correct kernels ?
[22:51] <oerheks> i am considering reinstalling totally..
[22:51] <oerheks> odd thing is that i botted the latest kernel..
[22:51] <oerheks> c/booted
[22:52] <Bashing-om> oerheks: A clean install == a clean mind :)
[22:53] <oerheks> i already have backed up my stuff, and still have the usb with 17.04. maybe i wait for the next kernel, see what happens
[22:53] <Bashing-om> oerheks: There is more that I do not know about grub than what I do know :)
[22:53] <oerheks> :-D
[22:53] <oerheks> linux is fun, so much to explore
[22:54] <oerheks> with windows i had to search online, here i just walk through synaptic and get lost for hours
[22:54] <oerheks> i just found out i had kodi installed too, never took the time to start it
[22:55]  * oerheks is ugly rich
[22:55] <Bashing-om> This had kept me entertained now for about 10 years now . And I do not see it slowing down at all in the future :)
[22:57] <daftykins> :>
[22:59] <pauljw> :)
[22:59] <daftykins> hello sir! how do?
[22:59] <Bashing-om> Hiya daf ! Still painting ? Goes well ?
[22:59] <pauljw> doing good, you?  been a while!
[23:00] <daftykins> hehe cor, i don't know who to answer first - here goes, off to London tomorrow for a wedding, exterior is pretty much all painted now but i'm awaiting a meeting to produce yet another report the insurance adjusters want
[23:01] <daftykins> just sat with a bottle of local cider and the Royals baseball game against the Oakland A's :)
[23:01] <pauljw> :)
[23:02] <Bashing-om> Hoz the Cardinals standing this year ? - not kept up but they be mu favorite .
[23:02] <daftykins> hmm not sure, i think they swept the Royals in a series not long ago
[23:03] <daftykins> http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/standings/index.jsp
[23:03] <daftykins> Cardinals, middle o' the pack
[23:03] <daftykins> but only a game in it!
[23:04] <daftykins> Houston Astros are doing seriously well though this year
[23:04] <daftykins> but apparently only 25% of teams who are first place actually end up winning the WS
[23:04] <daftykins> anything fun stopped us seeing you, pauljw? or have i just had my eyes closed?
[23:06] <pauljw> nah, not much, wife and i did go to the Mopar Nationals in Ohio this past weekend, that was fun.  but mostly just not hangin around here as much lately.
[23:07] <daftykins> we were all going to send out a search party!
[23:07] <daftykins> TJ even showed up!
[23:07] <pauljw> nothing personal, just not sitting at my puter all the time.... :)
[23:07] <pauljw> no way!!
[23:07] <pauljw> he doing okay?
[23:07] <daftykins> i know! he's been buried under house development work still, as predicted
[23:07] <pauljw> ah...
[23:07] <daftykins> he said he barely remembered how to fire up his IRC client :D
[23:08] <pauljw> heheh
[23:08] <daftykins> i'm sure winter will bring him back in for some sweet bug fixing
[23:08] <pauljw> most likely
[23:09] <daftykins> here we are, one more out and the Royals win by one run
[23:09] <daftykins> sweep complete i think :>
[23:09] <pauljw> heard the big news in ubuntu land?  they're adding a trashcan to the desktop.  you'd think the world was coming to an end by the reaction to something so trivial..
[23:09] <pauljw> nice
[23:10] <daftykins> hahaha no i've missed that one!
[23:10] <daftykins> is that on whatever new default desktop is being switched to?
[23:10] <nacc> daftykins: yeah, i think so
[23:11] <pauljw> i guess
[23:11] <pauljw> just made me laugh
[23:11] <daftykins> what are the tears over?
[23:11] <pauljw> having an icon on the desktop
[23:11] <daftykins> that's configurable? :D
[23:12] <pauljw> for some strange reason, i thought that's what the desktop was for...
[23:12] <daftykins> i wonder if some strange character will make a comparison to a real office
[23:12] <pauljw> i would think it's configurable, just going to default to having one.
[23:12] <daftykins> "it's on the floor in the corner, not on top beside my keyboard!"
[23:13] <pauljw> heheh


[01:05] <Overlord> Anyone here experienced in the terminal on nUbuntu?
[01:30] <michael> i got problems
[01:36] <furtat> alçgum brazuka aki?
[01:36] <furtat> algum brasileiro nessa porra?
[01:38] <drc> !br
[02:00] <Guest47630> does anyone get startup on xubuntu when all windows show up on the top left with no titlebar?
[02:01] <drc> Any Menus?
[02:03] <Guest47630> yeah the menus show up
[02:03] <Guest47630> but i can't move them around
[02:03] <Guest47630> and it only happens sometimes
[02:04] <Guest47630> when i reboot it works again most of the time
[02:04] <drc> Try < xfwm4 --replace > in a terminal
[02:05] <Guest47630> just tried it, my screen flashed
[02:05] <drc> no change?
[02:06] <Guest47630> it's working right now, but it has already been working this session, but it has been a consistent problem
[02:07] <Guest47630> i guess i'll have to see with time if it continues to happen
[02:07] <Guest47630> thanks, another problem i have is that when i suspend my computer and bring it back, my soundcard no longer works until i reboot my computer
[02:08] <drc> no idea, I've never had problems with sound
[02:09] <Guest47630> it's an audiophile 192 soundcard
[02:09] <Guest47630> i think it uses the envy24pt/ht driver
[02:15] <bin_bash> man thunar is laggy
[02:17] <Soupermanito> it can be, oftenly if it involves lots of thumbnails and selecting
[02:19] <Soupermanito> i had to install another file manager to do that, particularly fond to emelfm2
[02:20] <charlie-tca> Soupermanito: is that in the repositories?
[02:26] <cpatrick008> i love xubuntu it is much better than gnome 3 and UNITY!!!!!!!
[02:28] <bin_bash> cpatrick008: yes. yes it is.
[02:41] <Soupermanito> charlie-tca, yes, yes it is
[02:46] <bin_bash> bash: ./anonbot.php: /usr/bin/php: bad interpreter: No such file or directory
[02:46] <bin_bash> wat
[02:48] <bin_bash> >mffw PHP isn't installed
[02:52] <Guest47630> why not just use pcmanfm?
[02:57] <charlie-tca> pcmanfm is a single pane file manager; emelfm2 is two-pane side by side
[02:59] <charlie-tca> also emelfm2 has no dependcies added for Xubuntu; pcmanfm requires about half a dozen more files be installed
[03:00] <charlie-tca> s/dependcies/dependencies
[03:10] <Guest47630> still, wouldn't that help with bin-bash's problem with lagginess?
[03:11] <bin_bash> When I start it from terminal it doesn't happen
[03:12] <KM0201> bin_bash: whats lagging?
[03:12] <bin_bash> thunar
[03:12] <KM0201> bin_bash: freezes up for ike 10-12sec?
[03:13] <bin_bash> yah
[03:13] <KM0201> not trying to dog xfce (i like it) but thats why i switched to lxde
[03:13] <bin_bash> but when i load the directory in terminal and then open thunar it doesn;t
[03:14] <bin_bash> isn't lxde kde's ugly littlebrother?
[03:15] <charlie-tca> Guest47630: not sure here, I thought pcmanfm had a lag issue also
[03:16] <charlie-tca> bin_bash: any network connections?
[03:16] <bin_bash> charlie-tca: no
[03:16] <Guest47630> lxde can look pretty good if you configure it, kde is just wasteful
[03:16] <charlie-tca> hm, I have discussions in Xfce about the lag, they are trying to pinpoint the issue
[03:17] <charlie-tca> It has something to do with gvfs trying to find any network connections, but beyond that it has not been pinned down yet
[03:17] <bin_bash> ah ok
[03:18] <bin_bash> KM0201: gimme a screenshot of how you have lxde running
[03:18] <KM0201> bin_bash: quite the opposite... lxde is awesome.
[03:20] <KM0201> bin_bash: http://imagebin.org/152905
[03:20] <bin_bash> you just love that bottom panel lol
[03:20] <KM0201> lol
[03:21] <KM0201> i'm not sure how your skippy script would work though
[03:21] <KM0201> i usually just middle click desktop, and choose the window i want.;
[03:22] <KM0201> bin_bash: http://imagebin.org/152906
[03:22] <KM0201> works a bit like that
[03:25] <bin_bash> i think my next ui is going to be openbox
[03:25] <cpatrick008> too bad lubuntu is only 64 bit  but glad you can get the pae kernel
[03:25] <KM0201> bin_bash: i think lxde is based openbox (could be wrong)
[03:25] <KM0201> cpatrick008: uh, no.. it has a 32bit version
[03:25] <bin_bash> ^
[03:25] <bin_bash> lol
[03:26] <KM0201> cpatrick008: http://paste.ubuntu.com/606353/
[03:26] <cpatrick008> i ment only 32 bit not 64
[03:27] <KM0201> cpatrick008: i dunno bout that, don't need/use 64bit on the laptop
[03:27] <bin_bash> KM0201: My next distro is either crunchbang or archbang
[03:27] <KM0201> bin_bash: wouldn't recommend crunchbang (even though I like it)... and i probably wouldn't recommend archbang
[03:28] <bin_bash> i'm definitely installing archbang on the crappy laptop i'm getting
[03:28] <KM0201> just cuz you're not l33t
[03:28] <bin_bash> LOL
[03:28] <bin_bash> >l33t
[03:28] <KM0201> lol
[03:28] <KM0201> you should try lubuntu.
[03:28] <bin_bash> no i want something other than ubuntu
[03:28] <KM0201> you might find you like it.. just use the live cd a few days, see how it goes... if you don't like it, you've only wasted a cd
[03:28] <bin_bash> dude i have to do a cd and usb. rmemeber?
[03:28]  * drc thinks real 1337'ers use netBSD on everything they own, including toasters
[03:29] <KM0201> oh thats right
[03:29] <cpatrick008> use usb so you dont waste a cd
[03:29] <KM0201> drc: you mayb e right.
[03:29] <bin_bash> drc: I use netBSD on my vacuum.
[03:29] <bin_bash> umad?
[03:29] <KM0201> cpatrick008: she has a jacked up mac, she has to use both
[03:29] <cpatrick008> ok
[03:34] <lldavid> hi, my video players (parole and totem) crashed  when i tried to play a video, so i installed vlc. I managed to play the videos, but they have no sound. does someone knows how to fix it?
[03:34] <bin_bash> So, you don't think i'm 1337 enough to use #!
[03:34] <lldavid> i installed gstreamer but it gave no help
[03:35] <bin_bash> hmm
[03:36] <bin_bash> video but no sound, eh
[03:36] <lldavid> yep
[03:36] <lldavid> i can play them on vlc. i managed to do it by changing the preferences
[03:36] <charlie-tca> lldavid: install pavucontrol and turn the controls on
[03:37] <KM0201> bin_bash: no, i think #! sucks
[03:37] <KM0201> :0
[03:37] <lldavid> charlie-tca: i have it installed
[03:37] <bin_bash> :O why!?
[03:38] <bin_bash> lldavid: did sound work in parole?
[03:38] <lldavid> no
[03:38] <bin_bash> ok
[03:38] <lldavid> parole just crashes
[03:38] <bin_bash> hm
[03:38] <bin_bash> and video works in vlc?
[03:38] <lldavid> vlc plays the video
[03:38] <bin_bash> does sound work elsewhere?
[03:38] <lldavid> but has no sound
[03:38] <lldavid> works fine on browser
[03:39] <lldavid> and sys sounds
[03:39] <lldavid> pidgin, etc...
[03:39] <bin_bash> okay
[03:39] <bin_bash> do you have a music player installed
[03:39] <lldavid> haven't downloaded any mp3 yet
[03:39] <lldavid> well i have banshee
[03:39] <lldavid> isntalled by default
[03:39] <bin_bash> try playing a song on banshee
[03:40] <lldavid> sorry
[03:40] <lldavid> its gmusic player
[03:40] <bin_bash> ok
[03:40] <lldavid> not banshee
[03:40] <bin_bash> whaterver it is
[03:40] <bin_bash> try playing soemthing
[03:40] <lldavid> ok
[03:43] <lldavid> no sound
[03:43] <lldavid> on mp3 files
[03:44] <lldavid> tried gmusic and nothing
[03:44] <lldavid> no sound
[03:44] <bin_bash> okay
[03:44] <bin_bash> open up a terminal
[03:44] <bin_bash> type alsamixer
[03:45] <lldavid> i'm on it
[03:52] <lldavid> everything is set up on max
[03:56] <bin_bash> hmm
[03:56] <bin_bash> okay
[03:57] <lldavid> so. wut to do, sir?
[03:57] <drc> Sir?....She works for a living :)
[03:58] <bin_bash> LOL
[03:58] <KM0201> lol
[03:58] <bin_bash> go to multimedia > pulseaudio volume control
[03:58] <KM0201> yup
[03:59] <lldavid> u a she? O_o
[03:59] <bin_bash> Yes.
[03:59] <bin_bash> I know... shocking and all.
[04:00] <bin_bash> But I seem to manage.
[04:00] <KM0201> just don't let her start "raging".
[04:00] <KM0201> lol
[04:00] <bin_bash> LOL
[04:00] <lldavid> lol
[04:00] <bin_bash> I think my concussion is healing, KM0201
[04:00] <KM0201> lol, well thats a relief.
[04:00] <KM0201> i couldn't take being sworn at anymore
[04:00] <KM0201> lol
[04:00] <bin_bash> ahaha
[04:00] <bin_bash> Not nice to say I can't handle #! or Arch! though
[04:01] <lldavid> sorry for the "sir" i really didn't expected
[04:01] <michael> so i tried fwm4 --replace
[04:01] <KM0201> bin_bash: oh i think you could handle them... they're just such a PITA.
[04:01] <lldavid> so wut now
[04:01] <lldavid> ?
[04:01] <Guest14240> it fixed my problem of not having the title bar
[04:01] <Guest14240> but do i have to use fwm4 --replace everytime?
[04:01] <Guest14240> what exactly does it do?
[04:01] <bin_bash> lldavid: multimedia > pulseaudio volume control
[04:02] <bin_bash> is everything squared away?
[04:02] <lldavid> everything is maxed
[04:03] <bin_bash> hmm
[04:03] <bin_bash> perhaps you're missing libs
[04:03] <lldavid> like i said before, i have sound on other applications
[04:03] <KM0201> !info xubuntu-restricted-extras
[04:04] <lldavid> i installed gstreamer and nothing changed
[04:05] <KM0201> lldavid: and its only one app that has no sound?
[04:05] <KM0201> sorry, haven't really been following..
[04:06] <Soupermanito> lldavid, what warning do you get by runing vlc or other media players fromt a terminal?
[04:06] <bin_bash> Right but if your music player isn't working, then it might be a library issue
[04:07] <bin_bash> KM0201: totem and parole crash, no sound on vlc or gmusic, but sound everytwhere else
[04:07] <KM0201> that is weird.. VLC has had some problematic issues anyway in 11.04
[04:08] <KM0201> almost sounds like a code issue.
[04:08] <lldavid> i haven't tried to run it on terminal
[04:08] <lldavid> i'll try
[04:09] <lldavid> VLC media player 1.1.9 The Luggage (revision exported)
[04:09] <lldavid> Blocked: call to unsetenv("DBUS_ACTIVATION_ADDRESS")
[04:09] <lldavid> Blocked: call to unsetenv("DBUS_ACTIVATION_BUS_TYPE")
[04:09] <lldavid> [0x9bd18fc] main libvlc: Running vlc with the default interface. Use 'cvlc' to use vlc without interface.
[04:09] <lldavid> Blocked: call to setlocale(6, "")
[04:09] <lldavid> Blocked: call to setenv("ORBIT_SOCKETDIR", "/tmp/orbit-david", 1)
[04:09] <lldavid> Warning: call to srand(1305463495)
[04:09] <lldavid> Warning: call to rand()
[04:09] <lldavid> Blocked: call to setlocale(6, "")
[04:09] <lldavid> (process:6429): Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library.
[04:09] <lldavid> 	Using the fallback 'C' locale.
[04:17] <lldavid> so, how do i solve this?
[04:17] <lldavid> how do i get the necessary lib?
[04:17] <lldavid> or whatever it is that is missing?
[04:21] <Soupermanito> wait, run one of those programs that crash, like parole, and copy the dump to a pastebin
[04:21] <Soupermanito> !pastebin
[04:24] <lldavid> (parole:6465): parole-WARNING **: Unable to lookup rc file in : xfce4/parole/parole-media-player.rc
[04:25] <KM0201> hmm
[04:25] <Soupermanito> mmm weird, i don't really know but i think you have permission issues
[04:26] <bin_bash> lldavid: are you starting xfce from the command line?
[04:27] <lldavid> bin_bash: I don't know how to answer that... So I believe I'm not
[04:27] <lldavid> (?)
[04:27] <bin_bash> wehn you start your computer you go to the login screen and login that way, yes?
[04:27] <lldavid> yes
[04:27] <bin_bash> okay
[04:27] <bin_bash> hmmm
[04:27] <lldavid> just automatic
[04:28] <bin_bash> try opening synaptic from the menu and tell me if you get an error
[04:28] <Soupermanito> lldavid, try runing parole whit sudo
[04:28] <Soupermanito> or gksudo
[04:28] <Soupermanito> alt+F2 >gksudo parole
[04:29] <lldavid> synaptic opened just ok
[04:29] <lldavid> ill try to sudo the parole
[04:29] <Random_Fool> Hey everyone, I've setup a media pc (xubuntu) at my apartment for remote viewing via x11vnc, and since adding "x11vnc -forever -thread -safer" to the end of my /etc/gdm/Init file, (setup for autologin) I get blank screens on both the media pc and on a tightVNC connection into it
[04:29] <Random_Fool> running a clean install of xubuntu 11.04
[04:31] <Random_Fool> any ideas on how to fix it? lol
[04:31] <lldavid> the parole opens just fine it it's the program alone. it crashes only when i try to open a file (vid or music)
[04:31] <bin_bash> have you tried right clicking the file and then choosing which program to open with?
[04:31] <bin_bash> also have you tried opening the file with parole using the terminal?
[04:31] <lldavid> yes
[04:32] <lldavid> to open with the others i tried that
[04:32] <lldavid> totem and vlc
[04:32] <lldavid> i tried
[04:32] <lldavid> on terminal too
[04:32] <lldavid> but it's just the same
[04:33] <bin_bash> okay try this
[04:33] <bin_bash> open a terminal
[04:33] <bin_bash> then do parole /path/to/file
[04:34] <bin_bash> for example: parole ~/Videos/RuckaRucka/"Rucka Rucka Ali - Ching Chang Ch... (SD).mp4"
[04:35] <KM0201> hmm.
[04:35] <KM0201> interesting path
[04:35] <lldavid> indeed
[04:35] <lldavid> i'll try
[04:36] <lldavid> The program 'parole' received an X Window System error.
[04:36] <lldavid> This probably reflects a bug in the program.
[04:36] <lldavid> The error was 'BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)'.
[04:36] <lldavid>   (Details: serial 53 error_code 11 request_code 132 minor_code 19)
[04:36] <lldavid>   (Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously;
[04:36] <lldavid>    that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it.
[04:36] <lldavid>    To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line
[04:36] <lldavid>    option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful
[04:36] <lldavid>    backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() function.)
[04:37] <KM0201> can't you use a pastebin?
[04:37] <KM0201> thats annoying
[04:37] <bin_bash> lol
[04:39] <lldavid> like that? http://pastebin.com/6YpUpvct
[04:39] <KM0201> yes, like that
[04:40] <lldavid> i didn't even knew that this existed. LOL
[04:40] <KM0201> looksl ike your install is al ljacked up
[04:41] <lldavid> can i fix it with the installation cd? the repair option?
[04:41] <lldavid> or will i have to redo the entire thing?
[04:41] <KM0201> lldavid: if it were me, i'd re-do it.. but thats just me...
[04:41] <KM0201> not sure what went wrong
[04:43] <lldavid> oh snap
[04:43] <KM0201> it can't be that bad
[04:43] <lldavid> i'll redo the entire thing
[04:43] <lldavid> no it's not THAT bad
[04:44] <lldavid> it's just kinda annoying
[04:45] <KM0201> i dunno, i redo linux all the time, doesn't bother me
[04:45] <lldavid> how do i do it like that?
[04:45] <KM0201> what do you mean?
[04:46] <lldavid> i understood that i would have to format the entire thing and redo all the installation from the start
[04:47] <lldavid> so when you said that you do it all the time i got confused.
[04:47] <KM0201> oh
[04:47] <lldavid> you do it by not formating and just redoing the installation process?
[04:47] <KM0201> usually what i do.
[04:48] <KM0201> i go through the normal install process
[04:48] <lldavid> how?
[04:48] <KM0201> i don't mess w/ swap
[04:48] <KM0201> well, first
[04:48] <KM0201> when it comes to the partition stage i choose the "manual" option
[04:48] <KM0201> then i delete the old /   (and in your case, if you have /home on a separate partition, i'd probably delete that as well)
[04:48] <KM0201> then i just recreate them... and continue w/ the installation
[04:48] <KM0201> piece of cake
[04:49] <lldavid> i had my main pc fried last weekend
[04:49] <KM0201> fun
[04:49] <lldavid> so i'm using this slower one
[04:49] <lldavid> that i have
[04:50] <lldavid> i used ubuntu 10.04 on the main
[04:50] <lldavid> and it worked just fine and fast and dreamy
[04:50] <lldavid> but in this new one
[04:50] <bin_bash> well
[04:50] <lldavid> i decided to use the xubuntu
[04:50] <bin_bash> ubuntu is bloated
[04:51] <bin_bash> maybe you should try a lightweight system
[04:51] <lldavid> for it's cleaner and lighter
[04:51] <lldavid> until i get my new pc
[04:52] <lldavid> i thought of using this secondary with xubuntu
[04:52] <lldavid> i never thought it would be this harsh
[04:52] <lldavid> LOL
[04:52]  * KM0201 says Lubuntu for the win!
[04:53] <lldavid> well
[04:53] <lldavid> thank you all
[04:53] <lldavid> really
[04:53] <lldavid> thanks for your time
[04:53] <lldavid> and trouble
[04:53] <lldavid> i'll try to redo the installation like you said
[04:53] <bin_bash> yeah
[04:54] <lldavid> but i just need to sleep now
[04:54] <lldavid> lol
[04:54] <lldavid> i just wanted to watch the new episode of game of thrones
[04:54] <lldavid> is that too much, god?
[04:55] <lldavid> am i asking for the world here?
[04:55] <lldavid> thank you all
[04:55] <lldavid> for your kindness
[04:55] <bin_bash> no prob
[04:55] <bin_bash> good luck
[04:56] <lldavid> bye folks
[04:56] <KM0201> having fun
[04:58] <bin_bash> tons
[04:58] <bin_bash> got bored and did this
[04:58] <bin_bash> https://pastee.org/64gwp
[05:03] <KM0201> man, you ever talk to someone, who is obviously so full of BS, you have trouble not laughing at them?
[05:04] <Seqis> KM0201, this is for you: http://bit.ly/jyFcy9
[05:04] <KM0201> lol..
[05:04] <Seqis> You've helped me and others (like the lldavid fellow) .. you deserve a spread like that...
[05:04]  * KM0201 doesn't eat stuff like that.
[05:04] <Seqis> but you have to get the milk
[05:05] <Seqis> u kidding? those look totally swallowable
[05:05] <KM0201> lol, i didn't help lldavid all that much... bin_bash helped him more than i did.
[05:05] <KM0201> Seqis: my one vice, for my sweet tooth, is jolly ranchers
[05:06] <KM0201> i freaking love those things
[05:06] <Seqis> ok bin_bash then this is for you .. http://bit.ly/kkdGd7
[05:06] <Seqis> I took the bite out of that heart-cookie
[05:06] <bin_bash> Awwww
[05:06] <bin_bash> <3
[05:06] <Seqis> isn't that the gummy candy
[05:07] <bin_bash> yus
[05:08] <KM0201> jolly ranchers are hard candy
[05:08] <KM0201> they're look, little squares of awesome sauce
[05:08] <KM0201> *like
[05:08] <Seqis> you can pull a tooth out
[05:08] <Seqis> trynig to get that off your teeth
[05:08] <KM0201> yeah, but.. it'd be worth it
[05:08] <KM0201> lol
[05:08] <KM0201> yeah, you have to brush when you eat them
[05:09] <Seqis> eww
[05:09] <Seqis> like brushing your teeth after drinking orange juice
[05:09]  * KM0201 hates orange juice
[05:09] <Seqis> i haven't have OJ in years actually
[05:10] <KM0201> just not my fav
[05:10] <KM0201> i do like it on occasion
[05:10] <KM0201> i really prefer lemon juice
[05:10] <Soupermanito> Seqis, you mean like drinking orange juice after brushing your teeth
[05:11] <Seqis> either way.. it's wrong
[05:11] <Soupermanito> indeed
[05:17] <KM0201> nighters folks, i'm tired
[10:10] <xubuntu032> francais ici?
[10:10] <knome> !fr | xubuntu032
[10:10] <Sysi> !fr
[10:10] <TheSheep> !fr
[10:10] <knome> ha!
[10:11] <Sysi> i was first!
[10:11] <knome> not
[10:11] <knome> :P
[10:11] <Sysi> on my end i was :P
[10:11] <xubuntu032> no french people here?
[10:11] <knome> xubuntu032, this is an english channel, even if there was french people
[10:11] <starkid> j'habite en france mais mais je ne parle bien la langue
[10:11] <Sysi> no this is english only, #ubuntu-fr should know about xubuntu too
[10:11] <xubuntu032> i need help
[10:11] <knome> starkid, you too, english only
[10:12] <knome> xubuntu032, you can ask here in english or in #ubuntu-fr in french
[10:12] <xubuntu032>  l
[10:12] <xubuntu032> i need help
[10:12] <knome> xubuntu032, just ask your question
[10:14] <starkid> I need help with my numpad...Shift+Numlock is supposed to toggle back and forth between typing numbers and moving the pointer, but it doesn't work at all.
[10:15] <starkid> pressing Shift+Numlock has the same effect as pressing Numlock alone
[11:22] <guerilla> hello, im just trying out xubuntu 11.04. Is there a way to change the netowrk proxy to automatically detect?
[11:26] <guerilla> i cant find any settings to do with proxies at all
[11:42] <ochosi> starkid: i thought just pushing numlock toggles "numlock" already? never heard of shift+numlock tbh
[11:49] <starkid> ochosi, it came up several times when I googled the issue
[11:49] <starkid> numlock does toggle numlock, shift+numlock supposedly allows one to move the browsing caret with the numpad
[11:50] <ochosi> i see, guess then i can't help (my notebook doesn't have a numblock)
[11:52] <starkid> thanks anyways
[12:07] <skumara> I'm new. I want to know wheather we can install and run gnome and kde software like amorok and rhytmbox in xubuntu?
[12:08] <ochosi> skumara: yes, you can
[12:08] <skumara> thank you
[12:28] <beefalo> hello guys, is this the place where i can get support for xubuntu ?
[12:28] <Sysi> yes
[14:20] <guerilla> can xubuntu be configured to work with a proxy script. My uni uses a script for the netowrk.
[14:25] <ochosi> guerilla: sry, never used proxy, but i assume you can set it (at least app-specific) in firefox
[14:25] <ochosi> maybe there's also a global setting in the network manager
[14:28] <nicofs> Has someone any experience in getting bluray to work? I'm currently stuck with DumpHD which doesn't work... I just want to watch the br i just purchased...
[14:28] <guerilla> i cant locate network manager, any hints
[14:29] <ochosi> guerilla: network manager is the programme that manages your connections and sits in the system tray (by default the right upper corner)
[14:33] <guerilla> I have looked through that before and it doesnt seem to have proxy settings in it.
[15:36] <MK`> nicofs
[15:36] <MK`> !bluray
[16:53] <Soupermanito> if i go and install another window manager, say lxde, how can i NOT make it the default wm and just be able to run it when i want?
[16:54] <MK`> at the login screen, you select which desktop to run :)
[16:54] <Soupermanito> :P okay
[16:54] <MK`> and if you have a System > Login Screen
[16:54] <MK`> you can select the default one there
[16:55] <MK`> but you can always switch between them whenever you want when logged in
[16:55] <Soupermanito> kk i knew that
[16:55] <Soupermanito> :D
[16:56] <Soupermanito> ok, so i install lxde, or lubuntu-desktop?
[16:56] <Soupermanito> wait ill ask on #lubuntu , if it exists
[16:56] <MK`> do lubuntu-desktop --no-instal-recommends
[16:56] <MK`> it does
[16:56] <MK`> one sec, typoed that
[16:57] <MK`> yeah
[16:57] <MK`> sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop --no-install-recommends
[16:59] <Sysi> lxde means just lxde, -desktop also apps they've chosen
[17:08] <starkid> quit
[17:41] <gharz> guys, why is it that everytime i turn on the system, it always asks me for the keyring password so it can connect to a wifi? how do i disable or automatically connect to a wifi without the keyring password
[17:41] <KM0201> gharz: do you have network manager set up to auto connect to wifi?
[17:42] <gharz> KM0201: i use the default network manager
[17:42] <KM0201> ok... do you have it set up to auto connect to wifi when you start up?
[17:42] <gharz> KM0201: yes, i already did. ticked the connect to the network automatically
[17:43] <gharz> and the user that i'm using is the default user (the user which has been created during the installation)
[17:43] <Sysi> automatic login?
[17:43] <KM0201> gharz: well, just to make sure, make sure the "available to all users" is available on that tab.
[17:43] <KM0201> Sysi: probably.. but i was gonna get tot hat.
[17:44] <KM0201> i've never been asked for my keyring password (but i disabled it.. so.. go figure)
[17:44] <gharz> KM0201: ok. let me do it
[17:44] <gharz> KM0201: i can't find that option now whenever i edit the connection
[17:45] <gharz> KM0201: i think i have to delete the account and re-create it
[17:46] <KM0201> gharz: no... go to edit connections, then clcik the wireless tab.. highlight your default network, click edit.. and bottom of the first tab, it says "available to all users"
[17:47] <KM0201> gharz: you might also want to edit the "wired " connection, and disable "connect automatically" on it (even though it does connect automatically even if unchecked)... reason being.. for some reason for me, the OS would spend a lot of time looking for a wired connection, before finally looking fo rmy default connection, so unchecking that, made that prob go away.
[17:47] <KM0201> hmm
[17:49] <gharz> KM0201: yes... it worked!!!!! tanks so much!!!!!
[17:50] <gharz> thanks!!
[17:50] <KM0201> no prob.
[17:50] <KM0201> gharz: another thing....
[17:50] <KM0201> gharz: you might also want to edit the "wired " connection, and disable "connect automatically" on it (even though it does connect automatically even if unchecked)... reason being.. for some reason for me, the OS would spend a lot of time looking for a wired connection, before finally looking fo rmy default connection, so unchecking that, made that prob go away.
[17:50] <gharz> KM0201: nice tip!!!
[17:50] <gharz> thanks
[17:50] <gharz> i'll definitely do that
[17:52] <gharz> KM0201: thanks for the tip!!! you're a star!
[17:52] <gharz> thanks!
[17:52] <KM0201> np, glad it all worked out
[17:55] <Sysi> KM0201: cool, i haven't thought of those
[17:55] <KM0201> Sysi: thought of those...?
[17:56] <Sysi> solution/workaround/performance tweak
[17:56] <KM0201> i didn't really think of it as any of the above.
[17:56] <Sysi> would you also have something for "connection closed" popup that refuses to disappear?
[17:57] <KM0201> really, when you think about it... if you have the wired tab checked as "connect automatically" it's only trying to do what you are telling it to do... so it looks for a wired connection for about a minute or so, then moves on and connects to the wireless...
[17:57] <KM0201> Sysi: you could probably disable libnotify on that, but... honestly not sure on that one
[17:57] <KM0201> using lxde, the notification has an X on it, so i can close it.
[17:59] <Sysi> if i used notify-osd instead of xfce4-notifyd it propably would work
[18:02] <KM0201> probably
[18:03] <KM0201> i'm not rea sure what lxde uses..
[18:04] <Soupermanito> talking about that, how do i edit the osd notification to be shorter, they last like 30 seconds or something
[18:05] <KM0201> hmm
[18:05] <Sysi> settings dialog
[18:05] <Sysi> i've set them to be like 3 seconds :)
[18:33] <jf_> hello
[18:35] <KM0201> o/
[18:36] <jf_> i have a problem: I'm on Xubuntu 11.04 and youtube movies  are freezing every 5 sec.
[18:37] <jf_> both chromium and ff
[18:38] <KM0201> jf_: probably mainly because the linux version of flash, is inferior to the windows version... 64 or 32bit?
[18:39] <jf_> x64 , if i turn on window manager compositor the problem dissapear
[18:40] <KM0201> yup.. :)
[18:40] <KM0201> problems w/ the compositor, is what made me switch to lxde... disabling it fixed some strange behaviors...
[18:45] <Sysi> taking off hardware acceleration would be worth a shot
[19:17] <Hezy> hi everyone. I'm having lots of problems with flash. whenever I try to watch a youtube video Firefox gets stuck. I have Flash 10.2 r159 installed on Xubuntu 11.4. anyone else having similar problems?
[19:19] <Soupermanito> mmm do you have the proper video drivers installed?
[19:19] <Soupermanito> i had a similar problem and it fixed reinstalling the drivers
[19:23] <Sysi> Hezy: 32 or 64bit? try first taking off hardware acceleration
[19:32] <Soupermanito> you know what i dislike, evince opening pdf's out of the screen
[19:34] <rickvanhelvert> Hello, I wanted to install Ubuntu 11.04 Natty Narwal but after install the system boots with a blackscreen, will Kubuntu  boot with a screen that i can see?
[19:34] <knome> rickvanhelvert, this is the Xubuntu channel, but it's most probable that either xubuntu or kubuntu will not work either (same drivers etc)
[19:35] <rickvanhelvert> Oh i meant Xubuntu hahah, Typ error
[19:36] <rickvanhelvert> Okay because i switched with two Distobutions today with Linux because i didńt like Linux Mint and now i am on Mandriva but it isnt that good as i expected
[19:37] <rickvanhelvert> If Xubuntu doesnt work, What Distubution looks alot like Ubuntu and is as good as Ubuntu
[19:38] <Soupermanito> rickvanhelvert, it shouldnt boot whit a black screen, try to reconfigure the x's
[19:38] <rickvanhelvert> The xś?
[19:39] <Soupermanito> XD yes, the X server, it might be using a non compatible video driver for your monitor thats causing the error
[19:40] <rickvanhelvert> And how should i be able to do that when i see completly nothing
[19:40] <Sysi> rickvanhelvert: *ubuntu after setting it up, fedora might be worth trying too
[19:41] <Sysi> rickvanhelvert: try pressing Ctrl Alt F6
[19:41] <Soupermanito> if you press alt-ctrl-F1  to F6 give you tty's that dont need video drivers :P you can configure x's from there
[19:41] <Sysi> what graphicd card do you have?
[19:41] <rickvanhelvert> Intel GMA 4500M
[19:41] <rickvanhelvert> 1,5gb
[19:42] <rickvanhelvert> Ubuntu 10.10 is supported btw
[19:43] <Sysi> well, you still can use it
[19:43] <rickvanhelvert> not until the end of 2012
[19:44] <rickvanhelvert> I am going to try to create a bootusb now of Xubuntu and see
[19:45] <Sysi> next ubuntu will be released after half of a yer, if you can't figure out 11.04
[19:45] <Sysi> but try
[19:45] <rickvanhelvert> ok
[19:48] <rickvanhelvert> Okay well Mandriva sucks because i cant even see the empty disk
[19:50] <dol> Does someone experienced slow load of thunar (only first time) in Natty?
[19:52] <Sysi> everyone
[19:54] <rickvanhelvert> burning Xubuntu now
[19:57] <rickvanhelvert> So Ctrl alt f1 to f6?
[19:57] <Sysi> F1 or F6 or anything beetween
[19:58] <rickvanhelvert> ok
[20:13] <slow-motion> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdfdSF8MgDE
[20:13] <slow-motion> ops
[20:13] <slow-motion> sorry
[20:15] <mic> ive been trying to install xubuntu to my asus eee, but i cant get it to boot from the usbdrive, all bios settings are right, im doing someting wrong with the usbdrive, can anyone give me any pointers on how to make a bootable usbdrive with xubuntu install
[20:15] <Sysi> mic: how did you do the stick and how it is failing?
[20:16] <mic> i used that uniboot or whatever its called, it simply just bots windows instead since it dosent find any bootable medium on the usbdrive
[20:17] <mic> and ive also tried dd if=xubuntu.iso of=/dev/myusbdrive bs=1m
[20:17] <mic> still no cigar
[20:17] <mic> then i tryed to copy the installfiles to the drive and run syslinux -f on it, then it boots from the usbdrive but just freezes
[20:19] <mic> dosent load anything tho, just a black screen
[20:29] <mic> anyone?
[20:33] <Soupermanito> do you happen to have a windows able machine? if you do you can use > http://wintoflash.com/home/en/
[20:50] <Netrix> I updated to Natty Narwhal and when I try to boot it, it just stays on a black screen. Is this a known issue?
[20:52] <TheSheep> Netrix: it may be any of several dozens of issues
[20:53] <TheSheep> Netrix: did you try the recovery mode?
[20:53] <Netrix> Yes. It stays stuck on that too.
[20:53] <Netrix> Though it does have text instead of just a black screen.
[20:53] <TheSheep> what text
[20:53] <TheSheep> the last lines are probably the most interesting
[20:54] <Netrix> Stuff related to booting up. I could reboot and write down what the last stuff is.
[20:55] <TheSheep> that could probably help determine what is going wrong
[20:55] <Netrix> I will be back in a bit.
[21:09] <Netrix> TheSheep, I fixed it.
[21:10] <Netrix> The last text shown in recovery was not really helpful, but I changed from switchable graphics to discrete graphics in the BIOS and it booted up fine.
[21:11] <Netrix> So it seems like Natty does not like switchable graphics. I didn't have any issues with the previous versions of Xubuntu.
[22:15] <gilles> quick question. apologies if its a stupid one. where do i set the system wide settings for proxies
[23:49] <pwrusr2> Hi i just installed xubuntu 11.04 for the first time today and managed to screw up window manager (max min and close are not available is there a way of fixing this without reinstalling??
[23:57] <pwrusr> is there a WAY TO REPEPAIR A CORRUPT WINDOW MANAGER WITHOUT REINSTALLING
[23:57] <pwrusr> sry didnt realize caps was on
[23:59] <pwrusr> anyone?


[00:00] <DanaG> It may also be the motherboard, but that's for them to figure out; there's only so much I can do myself.
[00:00] <DanaG> s/can/should/
[00:03] <DanaG> Here's what fglrx currently does when the asic hangs: prints a trace to dmesg, then makes Xorg hang, eat cpu, and become unkillable.
[00:03] <DanaG> ... oh yeah, and then the system won't shut down normally.
[00:03] <DanaG> ssh still works, but shutdown hangs at killing, I think.
[00:04] <DanaG> What I'd rather it do: CRASH / kill the x server (instead of hanging it), and then not let it start again.
[00:04] <DanaG> At least then I wouldn't have to revert to ssh to shut it down.
[00:41] <yoyoned> I just tried to install alpha2 using the alternate install images.  My USB keyboard is not working.  Any ideas?
[00:43] <genii> yoyoned: Use a ps2->usb converter?
[00:45] <yoyoned> yoyoned: no ps2 ports
[00:50] <genii> yoyoned: I'd say load the usbhid and usbkbd drivers but it's hard to do without an input method...
[01:01] <yoyoned> genii: is there a way to load drivers from grub?
[01:02] <genii> yoyoned: Possibly in the kernel load line if you edit it
[01:19] <ethana2> #kubuntu+1 redirects here I see
[01:20] <ethana2> does Kubuntu Jaunty alpha 2 have KDE4.2beta2?
[01:21] <ethana2> ...and is 64 bit flash and java browser plugin available for installation by 9.04 instances yet?
[01:22] <ethana2> I'm trying to decide whether or not to test this alpha and if so, which images to get
[01:23] <RAOF> Yes, and yes.
[01:23] <ethana2> YES
[01:23] <DanaG> Frankly, I like having the separation nspluginwrapper gives me.
[01:24] <DanaG> Even on a 32-bit install... I want to wrap around Flash so it can't crash Firefox.
[01:24] <ethana2> RAOF: With 9.04, I think I'm going to go both KDE and 64 bit
[01:24]  * ethana2 torrents Kubuntu x64
[01:26] <ethana2> erm
[01:26] <ethana2> Isn't the tracker supposed to seed when there are no peers?
[01:27] <ethana2> well it /should/ whether or not it's supposed to..  *downloads iso directly*
[01:46] <DanaG> Well, at places like boxtorrents.com, the tracker does not store any files -- but for a Linux distro, I'd certainly expect it to do so.
[01:51] <ethana2> perhaps I just didn't give it enough time
[01:51] <ethana2> odd, I don't think my CD drive hibernated right or something
[01:52]  * ethana2 restarts
[04:01] <maco> why would gnome autostart an application that is disabled in the sessions autostart list? this has actually been happening since intrepid, but i just realized now that tomboy's not in my autostart list, and i'm on jaunty now, so i guess i need to ask here
[05:32] <maco> ARGH! evolution hates a *specific* email. i can open any other email and be fine. try to open that one or move it to the trash or anything, and BAM it crashes
[05:32] <maco> very very reproducibly
[05:32] <crimsun> are you using your custom build or jaunty's?
[05:32] <maco> jaunty's
[05:32] <crimsun> get a bt for seb =)
[05:32] <maco> i never installed my custom build
[05:33] <maco> and it turned out that i was trying to fix somethng that was already fixed in trunk :P
[07:57] <narcarsiss> change list?
[11:07] <naught101> has anyone noticed that firefox looks crap in kubuntu jaunty?
[11:07] <naught101> I installed qtcurve and it setill looks bad
[11:07] <naught101> stil
[11:07] <naught101> still... argh
[11:29] <naught101> infact, all my gtk apps look horrible - qtcurve doesn't seem to be working....
[11:29] <naught101> brb
[13:12] <uniscript> I realise that normally debian style releases only support going from release n to release n+1
[13:18] <Hew> uniscript: and lts_release n to lts_release n+1 :-)
[13:48] <rsk> games are extremly slow after the latest update
[13:49] <rsk> where should i start to investigate
[13:49] <RAOF> What card?
[13:49] <rsk> 9100 pro
[13:49] <rsk> http://pastebin.com/m472a9bc3
[13:49] <rsk> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon R200 QM [Radeon 9100]
[13:51] <rsk> RAOF: xv in mplayer works fine
[13:51] <rsk> so dunno where it's pinching
[13:51] <RAOF> I'd guess mesa :)
[13:52] <rsk> i guess but that was not update in the last batch
[13:52] <rsk> updated*
[13:58] <rsk> a bug report is fine too?
[14:09] <rsk> i guess Boo.
[14:34] <BUGabundo> quick question
[14:35] <BUGabundo> how do I change the language, in the terminal, for the next app startup?
[14:35] <BUGabundo> I would like to launch gnucash in portuguese, while the system is English
[14:38] <loic-m> in a terminal, type export LANG="XX_XX.UTF-8"
[14:38] <loic-m> where xx_XX correspond to the locale you want
[14:39] <BUGabundo> thanks
[14:39] <loic-m> then launch the app from this terminal (you can also create a script with the same command and make a shortcut to it)
[14:39] <loic-m> xx_XX note xx is lowercase, XX upercase
[14:40] <BUGabundo>  WARN <Gtk> Locale not supported by C library. 	Using the fallback 'C' locale.
[14:40] <BUGabundo> export LANG=PT_pt.UTF-8
[14:41] <loic-m> pt_PT.UTF8
[14:41] <BUGabundo> ok
[14:41]  * BUGabundo chanching
[14:41] <loic-m> first is language, second is contry
[14:41] <loic-m> you can put everything on the same command line, separate with ;
[14:42] <BUGabundo> got it
[14:42] <BUGabundo> bug gnucash is only partilly translated!
[14:42] <BUGabundo> let me check brazil
[14:42] <BUGabundo> br_PT would work?
[14:43] <BUGabundo> nope
[14:43] <BUGabundo> wrong localle
[14:43] <loic-m> pt_BR maybe, please re-read my comments ;)
[14:44] <BUGabundo> eehh
[14:44] <BUGabundo> stupid me
[14:44] <loic-m> just connect using the locale you want and type locale in a terminal
[14:44] <BUGabundo> it works
[14:45] <BUGabundo> and a lot more translated
[14:45] <loic-m> Check you installed the language support fully, update, and if some bits are untranslated that mean you can contribute ;)
[14:47] <BUGabundo> I know! I've done a few translations my self
[14:47] <BUGabundo> I have full language support installed
[14:48] <BUGabundo> I always check that... specially for new users
[14:48] <loic-m> I tried to do a bit in launchpad, but never understood how to get them included/accepted/whatever
[14:48] <BUGabundo> because of that bug with installer and 1st boot/update
[14:48] <BUGabundo> that nevers installs the languages
[14:48] <BUGabundo> I think its almost fixed for Jaunty
[14:48] <BUGabundo> but Ibex still suffers from it
[14:50]  * BUGabundo can't find that bug on LP
[14:53] <rsk> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/309991
[15:25] <papul> hi. is jaunty=9.04
[15:25] <rsk> papul: ya
[15:26] <papul> rsk, have you tried it.
[15:27] <rsk> no im using it
[15:27] <BUGabundo> I'm using it too
[15:31] <papul> rsk, any bugs?
[15:31] <rsk> i have one bug
[15:31] <rsk> 309991 on launchpad
[15:31] <BUGabundo> only one'
[15:31] <BUGabundo> ??
[15:32] <rsk> yes i only have one bug in jaunty
[15:32] <BUGabundo> lucky you
[15:32] <BUGabundo> what is it?
[15:32] <rsk> the one i said i had
[15:32] <BUGabundo> bug 30991
[15:32] <rsk> no
[15:32] <rsk> bug 309991
[15:32] <rsk> missed a 9 )(
[15:33] <BUGabundo> lol
[16:24] <rsk> any channel where i can get bugs triaged?
[16:28] <charlie-tca> #ubuntu-bugs
[17:21] <legodude> hi everyone, I may be doing something stupid but when I try to install nvidia-glx-180 I get a huge list of packages that are to be removed
[17:21] <legodude> and it doesn
[17:21] <legodude> and it doesn't strike me as correct
[17:22] <rsk> legodude: type apt-get upgrade in a terminal and pastebin the output
[17:23] <legodude> http://pastebin.com/d1f3a2fde
[17:23] <legodude> I did an upgrade from intrepid to get to jaunty
[17:23] <legodude> so I don't know if that is causing any problems
[17:23] <rsk> oh
[17:24] <rsk> should be fine.
[17:24] <legodude> let me pastebin from trying to install the nvidia drivers
[17:26] <legodude> okay, that link should have the output
[17:26] <legodude> it may be correct, it just feels wrong to me
[17:32] <Turl> hi
[17:32] <Turl> any new features to be included in jaunty?
[17:32] <rsk> Turl: no we skipped features this time around ;:)
[17:33] <Turl> didn't get what you said :p sorry but I'm not a native speaker
[17:38] <loic-m> Turl: Xorg will be dropped in favour of a text-only mode, which will ba an evolved console that can even run Gimp with ASCII-Art. It should solve most of the problems people have with graphic cards, monitors and Linux
[17:38] <loic-m> s/ba/be
[17:38] <rsk> =)
[17:38] <Turl> loic-m: what a good joke ;)
[17:39] <loic-m> no more Gnome/KDE problems. Amaroks run great. And we won't have to care about Flash bugs anymore
[17:39] <Turl> :p
[17:39] <rsk> compiz an asci. yey
[17:39] <Turl> any possibility of including 6
[17:39] <rsk> in*
[17:39] <Turl> 64bit flash* in jaunty?
[17:40] <rsk> there should be Turl
[17:40] <rsk> now that it's released a while ago
[17:40] <Turl> I'm not using jaunty, but I think it would be great if you included it
[17:41] <Turl> I'll fill in a bug for it's inclusion if you confirm me it's not already there rsk
[17:41] <rsk> let me search for it
[17:41] <Turl> install flashplugin-nonfree and check which version it fetches
[17:42] <rsk> i'm on x86_32 so that won't do any good
[17:42] <Turl> hm I se
[17:42] <Turl> see*
[17:46] <legodude> is nvidia-glx-180 the correct package for nvidia jaunty drivers?
[17:54] <Turl> I've reported it
[17:54] <Turl> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/310031
[17:55] <hubuntu> nice bug  number ;)
[17:57] <Turl> yep :p
[17:58] <Turl> bug #310013 is better though
[18:36] <crimsun> Turl: uh, please check the current jaunty source package _before_ filing
[18:37] <crimsun>   * New upstream release (LNX 10,0,15,3).
[18:37] <crimsun>   * Support native 64bit flash plugin (LNX 10,0,21,1):
[18:37] <crimsun>     http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html
[18:37] <crimsun>   * debian/postinst: switch to SHA1 sums, handle alternate unpack dir.
[18:56] <loic-m> crimsun, do you have any idea if the package will reach Intrepid, or if it's just a matter or dl the source/rebuild else?
[19:00] <crimsun> loic-m: you could always request a backport
[19:10] <Daemonik> With Ubuntu, OpenOffice has the ability to export files as fodt (flat XML) files. A vanilla copy of OpenOffice from Sun doesn't do this. Where is the functionality for this added (source code)? What looks like is the CVS repo for Flat XML on OpenOffice.org is empty. :-\
[19:14] <MarkTraceur> Hi all so er um I...broke my laptop....
[19:14] <MarkTraceur> It ran out of juice in the middle of upgrading to Jaunty...
[19:15] <MarkTraceur> I really just need to figure out how to restart the upgrade with apt-get, anyone know how?
[19:17] <MarkTraceur> The wiki says sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list ; sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, but what do I add to my sources?
[19:18] <cwillu> MarkTraceur, sources will still be the jaunty sources if the upgrade got that far before it crashed
[19:19] <MarkTraceur> So I can just run the dist-upgrade and it should start from the beginning?
[19:19] <cwillu> I believe so
[19:20] <cwillu> I'd expect your sources.list to have a bunch of jaunty's showing instead of intrepid
[19:21] <loic-m> crimsun: I don't really want a backport, just to know if i can make a package easily myself if I want to try it (then maybe ask for a backport if it's really good?). I prefer to ask for bp only when stuff doesn't work
[19:24] <crimsun> loic-m: in that case you could just use the jaunty package directly, but why don't you test the backport procedure? it helps everyone and not just you.
[19:28] <MarkTraceur> cwillu: The sources look like they are jaunty, and I know something is not working because KDE won't start, but the dist-upgrade won't work
[19:30] <MarkTraceur> apt-get check doesn't turn anything up either
[19:38] <cwillu> MarkTraceur, "won't work"?
[19:49] <loic-m> crimsun: I've already a backport request pending (wacom-tools), and I'd rather get that one done than start a backport request for something that's just due to a geecky desire to try sthing new ;)
[19:50] <crimsun> loic-m: it's not as if one can't file multiple backport requests
[19:50] <crimsun> at least those two are orthogonal
[19:51] <loic-m> crimsun: Yes, but then I'd request 1000 backports because I want to try Jaunty ;) (and I'm actually going to try it, just need to burn the iso now. I won't mind requestiong the bp for flash if ppl are interested, but as for wacom first I need to see if it build and try if there's no regressions
[19:55] <MarkTraceur> cwillu, it doesn't do anything...it says there's one package to *not* be upgraded but that's not helpful at all.
[20:20] <loic-m> crimsun: the flashplugin-nonfree packages build fine for Intrepid. I've opened Bug #310061 and attached the .dsc, .changes and amd64/i386 packages. The amd64 works for me.
[20:26] <cwillu> MarkTraceur, sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop (or kubuntu-desktop, whichever)
[20:27] <MarkTraceur> OK
[20:27] <MarkTraceur> I have to head out but I'll start that now
[20:27] <MarkTraceur> Thanks
[20:38] <manzur> hello
[20:38] <manzur> what is the topic in here (jaunty jackalope?
[20:40] <loic-m> that's it. Usually with a bit of mustard
[22:01] <CarlFK> aptitude build-dep transcode did its thing. so why do I get: dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libgtk1.2-dev liblzo-dev dpatch


[03:55] <seele> Riddell: ping
[04:14] <Riddell> hi seele
[04:55] <imbrandon> ahh finaly
[04:55] <imbrandon> almost home
[04:55] <imbrandon> moins all
[04:55] <Riddell> sebas: dood, we have to do this tomorrow http://www.citykayak.com/
[04:55] <Riddell> hi imbrandon
[04:55] <imbrandon> heya Riddell
[04:55] <Jucato> moin imbrandon, Riddell!
[04:55] <imbrandon> Riddell: i just made it back to KC, sitting at the airport waiting for my ride to come get me
[04:55] <imbrandon> :)
[04:56] <imbrandon> Riddell: quote ".... imbrandon (red neck) ...." hahahah classic
[04:56] <imbrandon> heya Jucato
[04:57] <robotgeek> hey imbrandon
[04:57] <imbrandon> ello robotgeek
[04:57] <robotgeek> long time. howz it going?
[04:57] <imbrandon> good, just got back from the dev summit, ready to get to my house and take a long hot shower
[04:57] <imbrandon> you?
[04:58] <robotgeek> trying to install edgy on my pc with a broken motherboard
[04:58] <imbrandon> ouch , not cool
[04:59] <robotgeek> well, the devices show up in xp, but don't work. i just thought i will install linux, and keep it ready for when after i rma it
[04:59] <imbrandon> Riddell: wow, that looks fun actualy
[05:00] <imbrandon> robotgeek: ahh
[05:01] <robotgeek> imbrandon: chk /notice
[05:04] <jsgotangco> ahh the channel is getting active again after the summit
[05:05] <imbrandon> jsgotangco: starting too :)
[05:05] <jsgotangco> heh i bet it was tiring but fun
[05:05] <robotgeek> hey jsgotangco . howdy
[05:06] <imbrandon> canonical employyees are still in SF for a week but it will pick up again now a bit
[05:50] <sebas> Riddell: looks fun
[07:22] <Hobbsee> hey all
[07:23] <Jucato> Hobbsee!!!!
[07:24] <Hobbsee> Jucato!!!!
[07:24] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee
[07:24] <Jucato> Hobbsee: I sure did, though... who says he's the only one who could get drunk and still be on IRC? :P
[07:24] <Hobbsee> hey redneck
[07:24] <imbrandon> haha
[07:24] <Hobbsee> Jucato: haha
[07:24] <Jucato> heheh redneck :P
[07:25] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: managed to put down the mt dew yet, and get hooked on irn bru?
[07:25] <Jucato> Hobbsee: I came in here a bit drunk last night (1am or 2am your time...)
[07:25] <imbrandon> heh nah, it was ok but not mt dew
[07:25] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[07:25] <Hobbsee> haha
[07:25] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: but i did get Riddell  to drink some dew
[07:26] <imbrandon> heya sebas
[07:26] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: hah
[07:26] <imbrandon> sebas: make it home ok?
[07:27] <nixternal> Riddell: https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-desktop-guide
[07:27] <imbrandon> i almost missed my flight in denver, i only had 15 minutes to switch planes
[07:27] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ouch
[07:27] <nixternal> hola
[07:27] <imbrandon> but i made it
[07:27] <imbrandon> ello nixternal
[07:28] <Hobbsee> hah
[07:28] <imbrandon> nixternal: watchin snl ?
[07:28] <imbrandon> ouch
[07:28] <nixternal> nah, whats on?
[07:28] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: speaking of which, can you add a hook dir?  and stuff in that hook dir?  i cant, as i dont have root
[07:29] <imbrandon> there is a hook dir now, but sure, ( you could have also done it by adding a ~/.pbuilderrc with only the HOOKDIR="~/hooks" in it or similar
[07:29] <nixternal> snl isn't even on
[07:29] <nixternal> hehe
[07:29] <imbrandon> nixternal: yea its not sat :)
[07:29] <nixternal> well, 30 minutes ago it was
[07:30] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: yea i can though ( as long as its not crackfull lol )
[07:30] <Hobbsee> haha, of course it's not crackful
[07:30] <imbrandon> whats it for ?
[07:30] <Hobbsee> wait, i'm dumping them on your machine, as it's quicker than copying them
[07:30] <imbrandon> k
[07:33] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: see /home/hobbsee/hooks
[07:33] <imbrandon> kk
[07:33] <Hobbsee> B91 is the best, but they're all useful
[07:34] <Hobbsee> check man hooks if you want to read about them (they're copied from the examples in pbuilder)
[07:34] <imbrandon> what are they for ?
[07:34] <imbrandon> yea i know what hooks are, i ahve written a few
[07:34] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: looked at their names?
[07:35] <Hobbsee> one runs linda at the end of the build, b91 tests that the package installs/deinstalls/purges/etc correctly - saving you having to do it manually (yay)
[07:35] <Hobbsee> c10 drops to a shell inside the pbuilder if the build fails - so you dont need all the build deps again, etc
[07:35] <Hobbsee> the other two just tell you you're in a chroot at various times.  havent seen much use or harm in them
[07:35] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ^
[07:35] <nixternal> hey, when it is time, someone can show me how to add a feisty pbuilder to my existing?  or i can jsut delete the edgy one, or show me a chroot, or kick me in the teeth?
[07:36] <imbrandon> nixternal: just make multi pbuilders
[07:36] <Hobbsee> nixternal: you can, or you can use multiple pbuilders
[07:36] <Hobbsee> see
[07:36] <imbrandon> i have 4 or 5
[07:36] <Hobbsee> !pbuilder
[07:36] <ubotu> pbuilder is a system to easily build packages in a clean chroot environment. To get started with PBuilder, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[07:36] <crimsun> I wouldn't delete your 6.10 one, since you'll likely need it for edgy-updates
[07:36] <nixternal> ty
[07:36] <imbrandon> heya crimsun
[07:36] <nixternal> oh ya crimsun, forgot about that stoof
[07:36] <crimsun> 'i
[07:37] <Hobbsee> so /pbuilder is the base dir, which is a symlink to wherever i want it to be.
[07:37] <nixternal> been a while since i seen the 'i
[07:39] <imbrandon> crimsun: how was your week ?
[07:40] <crimsun> insane. I'm apparently flying to LA in a couple weeks for another meeting
[07:40] <crimsun> yours?
[07:41] <imbrandon> very very hetic, but very cool, got ALOT of productive stuff worked out, i'm really psyc'd about feisty and feisty+1 now, and finaly met a ton of cool people
[07:41] <crimsun> excellent
[07:41] <imbrandon> ( and apparently got the nickname redneck from my slightly southern draw )
[07:41] <imbrandon> lol
[07:41] <Hobbsee> haha
[07:42] <imbrandon> plus google is just awesom, that place is a techies disneyland + perks
[07:42] <crimsun> yep
[07:43] <crimsun> I was right down the road at Intuit some years ago
[07:43] <imbrandon> right on, i met a few of the people from intuit while i was there, talked to them about the days when i used to devel on a inhouse product that used the quickbooks sdk
[07:44] <imbrandon> back a few years ago
[07:44] <imbrandon> a few of the people headed down to apple hq to for a day trip
[07:45] <crimsun> nice
[07:45] <imbrandon> and there was a mysql conf at the google plex at the same time as ours and a nvidia conf in san jose too that some of the peeps went to ( i only poped in the mysql one for a moment )
[07:46] <imbrandon> but they pimped ubuntu hardcore at the nvidia conf, they ran ubuntu + xgl + beryl to show off the new card to the nvidia guys and they let them give out tons of ubuntu cd's there
[07:46] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i note that the composite-by-default is looking much more sane too
[07:47] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, well we worked on it alot
[07:47] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: true that
[07:47] <imbrandon> it will be installed by default for ubuntu ( not kubuntu ) but not turned on
[07:47] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: is the stuff on the wiki as of the 11th, the latest?
[07:47] <imbrandon> no idea i dident check the wiki
[07:47] <imbrandon> BUT
[07:48] <imbrandon> i chaird the first two BoF's on it soooo
[07:48] <Hobbsee> :)
[07:48] <Hobbsee> nice
[07:48] <imbrandon> chair'd*
[07:49] <imbrandon> anyhow it basicly should say something to the effect that
[07:50] <imbrandon> compiz/beryl is known not to work on a major percentage of computers so it will be installed so its easy to just check a box and turn it on BUT not on by defaut
[07:51] <Hobbsee> yep
[07:51] <Hobbsee> fair enough
[07:51] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: was there a spec on switching to dvd or something?
[07:51] <imbrandon> and there has been some changes to the core that were litterly coded at the confrence durring the bof that allows it to run on ANY card even without 3d support but with composite only at a reduced but useable framerate , we still need to see how that pans out
[07:52] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, not that i'm aware of, there were alot of "side" BoF's though that werent on the schedule becouse the scheduling sucked this time
[07:52] <imbrandon> so it might have been talked aobut but
[07:53] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yeah, fair enough. how are they going to find the cd space to put beryl/compiz on?
[07:53] <Hobbsee> yeah, dbo mentioned that
[07:53] <imbrandon> not officialy and i am pretty sure its not going to happen till ATLEASTE feisty+1 is not farther out, basicly the consincus is to keep it on cd as long as possible
[07:53] <imbrandon> beryl / compiz is very very small
[07:53] <Hobbsee> right
[07:53] <imbrandon> so shouldent be an issue
[07:54] <Hobbsee> right
[07:54] <nixternal> omg imbrandon you just made my day with that beryl (isn't that a drink you take before an mri? :) stuff not being turned on
[07:54] <imbrandon> i know me and Riddell and a few others mentioned it in another kubuntu bof but that was our consincus
[07:55] <nixternal> i have played with it for the past couple of weeks, and i don't like it..all the themes are windows vista looking like crazy
[07:55] <imbrandon> nixternal, yea it was a very good decision i think, they had to fight to get that much becouse really if it was upto mdz me and keybuk ( the ones that ran the accellerated-x BoF's ) it wouldent have been but mark wanted atleaste to have it installed
[07:56] <imbrandon> nixternal, it can use plain metacity themes too
[07:56] <nixternal> ewww
[07:56] <nixternal> kubuntu silly
[07:56] <Hobbsee> Riddell: had said in here that it likely wouldnt be done
[07:56] <imbrandon> kubuntu isnt going to use it at all
[07:56] <nixternal> i want my burple
[07:56] <nixternal> haha
[07:56] <imbrandon> we are talking ubuntu only
[07:56] <nixternal> imbrandon: whoever made the decision of kubuntu not using it at all, i will buy them a drink next time ;)
[07:56] <Hobbsee> :)
[07:56] <imbrandon> kde4 is what we're waiting for, kwin will support it then
[07:57] <nixternal> mmmm
[07:57] <Hobbsee> nixternal: Riddell already had enough drinks bought for him, and i dont drink
[07:57] <imbrandon> nixternal, basicly the whole kubuntu team that was at the summit, i dont think any of us were for it
[07:57] <nixternal> me either Hobbsee, you and i can drink a tea or a nice cold water ;)
[07:57] <Hobbsee> (which was said before uds)
[07:57] <Hobbsee> haha
[07:57] <Hobbsee> or strawberry milk, even
[07:57] <nixternal> alrighty then, i will...img strawberry milk!!
[07:57] <nixternal> omg too
[07:58] <nixternal> i have about 4 cans of that little rabbit in my cupboard
[07:58] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, yea but i learned one thing, basicly whats said before uds means squat, its sucks but true, everything is revisited basicly
[07:58] <crimsun> heh, it gets revisited again. Such is "software engineering."
[07:58] <imbrandon> :)
[07:58] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: point
[07:59] <imbrandon> but yea kubuntu wasent/isnt even thinking about using it
[07:59] <imbrandon> untill kde4
[07:59] <imbrandon> ( that means feisty+1 )
[08:00] <imbrandon> thats how koffice worked out too, feisty+1 ( e.g. kde4 )
[08:00] <nixternal> koffice in feisty+1 especially if MS and OOo trickle down their XML standards
[08:00] <imbrandon> which made alot of sense once it was tlaked about
[08:00] <Hobbsee> ahh right
[08:00] <nixternal> so we can all play nicely
[08:00] <Hobbsee> yep
[08:01] <nixternal> which i was screaming at imbrandon here on irc since my mic was squat..i was screaming XML - OASIS no no with MS
[08:01] <imbrandon> nixternal, no more in the fact that koffice2 ( in kde4 ) will support ms office formats better, and 1.X never will
[08:01] <imbrandon> nixternal, i saw you
[08:01] <nixternal> MS is supposedly going to drop OASIS support in 2007 now to push XML to us
[08:02] <nixternal> well, MS Office is going with XML crap everywhere now, which will create a new doc standard that is somewhat open..but im sure that will get screwed as well
[08:02] <nixternal> right now, KOffice only supports RTF right?
[08:02] <imbrandon> no its both xml AND the open doc format forced by the EU both
[08:03] <imbrandon> no it does doc's just not all the stuff like tables etc
[08:03] <nixternal> microsoft doesn't have to do the open doc format, and it was in a statement concerning novell, microsoft and openoffice.org
[08:03] <nixternal> they want to implement patches upstream to OOo
[08:03] <nixternal> which could be good, or flat out scary
[08:03] <nixternal> im leaning towards scary
[08:16] <imbrandon> ..
[10:35] <robotgeek> freeflying: howdy
[10:35] <sredna> Riddell: Is there a known way to use the qt4-copy packages for development?
[10:36] <freeflying> robotgeek: heya
[10:36] <sredna> Because just installing them does not help, as the installation it broken into atoms
[10:36] <sredna> Cmake can't find anything related to qt, and there is nothing to set QTDIR to
[10:36] <robotgeek> howz it going? maybe magically give the sredna an answer :)
[10:37] <Jucato> although it's 9:40 AM Sunday UTC... maybe Riddell's away?
[10:38] <robotgeek> heh
[10:40] <Jucato> Hobbsee: !!!
[10:40] <fdoving> sredna: you used 'update-alternatives --config' for qmake,moc,uic,lupdate and lrelease ?
[10:41] <sredna> fdoving: No, I did not
[10:41] <fdoving> the includes are in /usr/include/qt4/
[10:41] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato!
[10:41] <sredna> I need to change my setup drastically for this to work
[10:42] <sredna> And I dont' know what is the impact of changing those things
[10:42] <sredna> If the changes are global, it's too much hazzle changing them all the time
[10:42] <sredna> Because I could want to compile something against qt3 as well
[10:43] <fdoving> they are. should probably make a script to automate it.
[10:45] <sredna> Well, I think it can never work really well that way
[10:45] <sredna> With more versions of qt installed, it would be better to keep everything in one directory
[10:45] <fdoving> true, you have a user with a kde4 development environment?
[10:45] <sredna> Well, I think I'm going to
[10:46] <sredna> Since it seems to be such a hazzle getting things to work otherwise
[10:47] <fdoving> You can of course make a ~/bin for the development-user with the correct symlinks to the qt4 binaries.
[10:48] <sredna> That could be a start, but I'd also need to do something for the includes and linking parts
[10:49] <fdoving> hmm yes. what's the problem with linking?
[10:49] <sredna> I don't know if there is any yet
[10:49] <sredna> Because so far cmake ran for 1 sec :-)
[10:52] <fdoving> I'm making a test-script now, to swap all the qt things to qt4 with update-alternatives.
[10:53] <fdoving> if that works, it could be easier than changing users.
[10:53] <sredna> Yes
[10:56] <sredna> Now I use a bin dir
[10:56] <sredna> But I get another error about 'qdbusxml2cpp' missing
[10:57] <fdoving> that should be in /usr/bin/
[10:57] <fdoving> it's in libqt4-dev
[10:57] <sredna> ... which is installed (the kde-copy version)
[10:58] <fdoving> 'which qdbusxml2cpp' doesn't find it?
[10:58] <sredna> No
[10:58] <fdoving> 'dpkg -S qdbusxml2cpp' ?
[10:59] <sredna> .....
[10:59] <sredna> Not found
[10:59] <fdoving> hmm.. then the kde-copy doesn't include it. weird.
[11:00] <sredna> Well, that version of qt4 is required for kde4 development, so that is kind of a conclusion
[11:00] <sredna> I need to build qt4
[11:01] <fdoving> we need to fix qt4.
[11:01] <sredna> That would be smart
[11:01] <sredna> When you are at it, the kdecopy version need to tell the system that it provides qt4
[11:02] <sredna> Some packages had to be uninstalled because of that missing
[11:02] <sredna> And if you are going to do that, I will be lazy and postpone any work on kde trunk to later
[11:04] <fdoving> Don't think these changes will make it into edgy. Not sure they qualify for edgy-updates.
[11:05] <sredna> Sigh
[11:05] <fdoving> But that's not for to me to decide. I'll have a look at the kde-copy packages.
[11:05] <sredna> Why is updating parts of a system so forbidden?
[11:05] <sredna> I dont' get it
[11:06] <sredna> I'll see if I can find a more modern computer that I can afford, then compiling qt wouldn't take an entire day
[11:07] <fdoving> I think the idea is to restrict updates to the point where no update should break anything, ever.
[11:08] <sredna> Well, it kinda makes it very hard to work for developers
[11:08] <fdoving> It does.
[11:08] <fdoving> And lots of unofficial repositories with dozens of packages everywhere.. and everyone use them, because the official ones provides old versions of evertyhing.
[11:09] <fdoving> .. and that breaks upgrading.
[11:09] <fdoving> and so on.
[11:10] <sredna> I use some unofficial repos
[11:10] <sredna> Not many though
[11:10] <sredna> But I would definately like a kde-devel one, sparing me some of the infinite compiling
[11:10] <sredna> It could contain a qt packate installing the simple way :-)
[11:14] <fdoving> that would be a good idea.
[11:14] <fdoving> that is the idea with the qt kde-copy in the repositories, but if it doesn't work, it's useless.
[11:15] <sredna> Seems I'm doomed to have to compile it all by hand
[11:16] <sredna> For qt, the correct installation is in one single directory
[11:16] <sredna> Splitting things up leads to trouble
[11:16] <fdoving> debian and ubuntu always split things up.-
[11:16] <sredna> A package pr file :-)
[11:17] <sredna> A sane linux distribution is yet to be found
[11:17] <sredna> Or maybe I just didn't hear of it yet...
[11:18] <fdoving> .deb distributions are the most sane to me. :)
[11:18] <sredna> That is why I'm using one, too
[11:19] <sredna> And I can live with it, just I can't use that part of the system packages for development
[11:19] <Hobbsee> sredna: has Riddell heard about this idea of a special development/kde4 repo?
[11:20] <fdoving> sredna: hmm.. did you uninstall the kdecopy packages yet? I think it's just a matter of naming the binaries correct.
[11:20] <sredna> It "just" requires someone to write the spec files, and some machine power to keep the files up to date
[11:20] <sredna> fdoving: I did
[11:21] <Hobbsee> then again, i guess you'd have to remove the packages to use it
[11:21] <Hobbsee> er, to use the older versoin
[11:21] <Hobbsee> ahh, right
[11:21] <fdoving> sredna: ok. i think it's missing a q at the start /usr/bin/dbusxml2cpp is there.
[11:22] <sredna> I think I'll just build from source. Having qt in a directory and setting $QTDIR works very, very well
[11:22] <sredna> ... and having tolive with random renamings and misplacement of files is probably worse
[11:25] <fdoving> sredna: what do i test my renaming of files with? compiling a random qt4 package like speedcrunch?
[11:26] <fdoving> I compiled kde4 with the non-kdecopy of qt some days ago. that worked fine.
[11:34] <sredna> fdoving: Then that would be a vital alternative
[11:34] <sredna> For me
[11:35] <sredna> fdoving: What did you do to tell cmake where to find qt?
[11:37] <fdoving> hmm.. not sure. whatever the kde4 packages at kubuntu.org does.
[11:37] <fdoving> I'll have a look at the source. hang on.
[11:38] <sredna> I installed those packages, but I removed them, since I need to compile kdelibs + kdebase
[11:39] <fdoving> I understand, I compiled those packages for powerpc.
[11:39] <sredna> How do I get rid of B flags with pakcages?
[11:39] <sredna> Removing the kdecopy packages faild to clean up properly :(
[11:42] <Hobbsee> purge?
[11:48] <sredna> Well, when listing packages some have a B as the second character, which means they can't be installed. And now that B shouldn't be there
[11:48] <sredna> I do not know what 'purge' means
[11:48] <Hobbsee> oh, sorry
[11:48] <Hobbsee> sudo apt-get remove --purge packagename
[11:49] <Hobbsee> should remove all config files, et
[11:49] <Hobbsee> c
[11:49] <sredna> "to clear of guilt" -- that may work ;)
[11:49] <Hobbsee> :)
[11:50] <fdoving> hmm.. looks like the tool dbusxml2cpp is named dbusxml2cpp by trolltech.
[11:50] <fdoving> http://doc.trolltech.com/4.2/dbusxml2cpp.html
[11:51] <fdoving> should kdecopy still rename it?
[11:52] <sredna> I dont' know
[11:52] <sredna> cmake complained
[11:52] <fdoving> http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-devel&m=115779376820374&w=2
[11:52] <sredna> But my packages still have their Bs
[11:53] <sredna> And something else broke that was fixed - now a lot of packages looks like they should be uninstalled, such as X and other stuff that is absolutely required for a desktop PC :\
[11:54] <Hobbsee> sredna: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:54] <Hobbsee> try that :P
[11:54] <sredna> Well, I can do that now that the broken kdecopy packages have gone
[11:54] <fdoving> isn't B broken?
[11:54] <Hobbsee> :)
[11:54] <fdoving> what does 'apt-get -f install' say?
[11:55] <sredna> Right now the entire system feels a bit shaky, if not broken
[11:55] <fdoving> where do you see this B?
[11:56] <Hobbsee> sredna: it's not the system, it's the floor
[11:56] <sredna> Lol
[11:56] <sredna> fdoving: The B is with aptitude search listings
[11:56] <sredna> 'pB <package>'
[11:57] <sredna> Kubuntudesktop installed vanilla qt4 packages, so I'm back to start
[12:48] <joe3k> does anyone know if adept and speedcrunch are supposed to be kde or qt apps? because their menu does not appear in the menu panel if mac-style menu is selected
[12:55] <abattoir> joe3k: adept is probably being run as root, so it doesn't inherit your regular styles...
[12:55] <abattoir> joe3k: speedcrunch is qt4
[12:57] <joe3k> abattoir: hm pity :)
[12:58] <joe3k> abattoir: anyway it would be nice if it somehow could ...
[12:59] <abattoir> joe3k: sorry, am not aware of any way to make them work
[12:59] <joe3k> abattoir: and do you have any idea what would happen if i'd set mac-style menu for root and the "usual" menu style for the user? :)
[12:59] <abattoir> joe3k: i was just thinking of that... you could try it if you want ;)
[12:59] <abattoir> wait..
[01:00] <abattoir> joe3k: hmm... don't know... try it if you want to :)
[01:01] <joe3k> abattoir: i'll do when i have time
[01:02] <abattoir> ok
[03:11] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:12] <Jucato> hi bddebian
[03:12] <bddebian> Hi Jucato
[03:19] <seele> Riddell: ping
[03:19] <seele> huh, he responded to me yesterday and the channel didnt light up.. weird
[03:19] <Jucato> hi seele! saw you're picture with the guys
[03:19] <seele> Jucato: moin, thats cool
[06:42] <nixternal> is kmail a resource hog or what?
[06:43] <nixternal> when deleting a bunch of emails, or applying filters to a bunch of emails, you might as well begin development on your own Linux distro
[06:44] <nixternal>  6099 nixterna  25   0  127m  66m  39m R 94.1  5.2  16:08.51 kontact
[06:44] <nixternal> jeesh, 94.1% cpu just to delete a few hundred email
[07:05] <marseillai> pt1 dcop ca TUE
[07:05] <marseillai> oups sorry channel mistake
[11:18] <imbrandon> kwwii_, ping
[11:32] <kwwii_> imbrandon: pong
[11:34] <kwwii_> boah, I killed planet.kde.orog
[11:34] <kwwii_> org
[11:35] <imbrandon> haha
[11:35] <imbrandon> yea i was gonna tell you that
[11:35] <imbrandon> not only that was gonna sk if you wanted to be added to planet.u.c
[11:35] <imbrandon> kwwii_, ^^
[11:36] <imbrandon> btw did you make it home in one peice ?
[11:36] <imbrandon> hehe
[11:37] <kwwii_> yepp, and you?
[11:37] <imbrandon> yup yup, just trying to get back on "my" schedule , and catch up on sleep
[11:37] <seele> (oh, planet.ubuntulinux.com, not ubuntu.com)
[11:37] <seele> heh
[11:37] <imbrandon> lol
[11:38] <imbrandon> heya seele, they are both the same
[11:38] <crimsun> it would be mighty impressive if he didn't make it home in one piece yet was chatting on irc
[11:38] <imbrandon> ubuntulinux.com is an alias
[11:38] <imbrandon> crimsun, haha true
[11:38] <seele> ah hah
[11:38] <kwwii_> like I lost my arm in a freak airplane toilette accident
[11:38] <seele> yet another feed to read, hehe
[11:39] <crimsun> those crazy WC accidents.
[11:40] <imbrandon> seele, i got in trubble when i got home too, my "Girl Friend" nothing serouis yet, but anyhow to the story, she was like "who's that chick your holdeing her hand in that pic of the kubuntu group" , i had to zoom in in gimp to show her we wasent , it was just the angle of the pic/camera it looked like it
[11:40] <imbrandon> and tbh i never noticed it till she said something
[11:41] <seele> imbrandon: LOL
[11:41] <seele> thats funny
[11:41] <imbrandon> heh yea
[11:42] <imbrandon> anyhow kwwii_ you should add your self to planet.ubuntu.com ( i can do the bzr stuff for you if you dont wanna mess with it )
[11:43] <seele> kwwii_: do you blog much (other than just breaking planet?
[11:43] <imbrandon> even if you only post every 6 months LOL
[11:43] <imbrandon> seele, the last blog post he had before that on blogspot was from the paris UDS
[11:43] <crimsun> imbrandon the player! hehe
[11:43] <imbrandon> when sebas got a black eye
[11:44] <imbrandon> crimsun, LOL
[11:44] <kwwii_>  seele: nope, I am not the biggest blogger in the world
[11:44] <seele> haha
[11:44] <kwwii_> imbrandon: can you point me to some instructions on how to do all that?
[11:44] <imbrandon> sure, one sec
[11:44] <crimsun> I used to blog like my life depended on it, but I stopped when I realized I wasn't blogging about anything worthwhile ;)
[11:45] <imbrandon> kwwii_, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntu    <--- how to add your feed to planet with bzr
[11:45] <crimsun> whew, wayback doesn't have copies of them :-)
[11:46] <imbrandon> crimsun, hehe
[11:46] <imbrandon> crimsun, i have a good mix i think, or worthless stuff and stuff that means something to someone
[11:46] <imbrandon> i dident blog all week though, i think i will do a "week in one post" later today
[11:47] <kwwii_> somehow blogging feels like waving my penis in public
[11:47] <imbrandon> hahaha
[11:48] <imbrandon> what was tonio's word for it translated into english?
[11:48] <imbrandon> or was it you? something about brain masterbation
[11:48] <imbrandon> i about died laughing
[11:48] <kwwii_> yepp
[11:48] <crimsun> nobody wants to read about alsa hacking and bug triaging anyway
[11:48] <crimsun> :-)
[11:49] <imbrandon> crimsun, you would be suprised
[11:49] <imbrandon> i wouldent mind reading about your stuff
[11:49] <imbrandon> and i'm sure i'm not alone
[11:50] <crimsun> here, I'll summarise from Hoary to Edgy: "I hate quirks."
[11:50] <imbrandon> crimsun, hahaha
[11:50] <crimsun> there, one year and six months in three words
[11:51] <imbrandon> heh
[11:57] <imbrandon> okies time for dinner and real life kinda stuff, see yall after bit


[09:35] <thorwil> happy new year!
[16:08] <coz_> good day all
[16:14] <coz_> hey guys   is canonical back from vacation yet?


[15:29] <Hassan> hi
[15:29] <Hassan>  iam new in nubuntu world
[15:30] <Hassan> i have make some things that stops my tomcat
[15:30] <Hassan> can some body help my how to configure java and tomcat