[02:06] <Nonya> Hello i am using hybryde os
[04:55] <glenn_> guys, why does okteta freeze on the open file dialog
[05:30] <glenn_> anyone?
[05:36] <valorie> glenn_: have you tried launching the application from the commandline, to see if there is anything interesting in the output?
[05:39] <glenn_> valorie, It works fine when i run 'sudo okteta'
[05:39] <glenn_> although the form is a bit uglier..
[05:39] <glenn_> but works nonetheless
[05:39] <valorie> oh gosh, NEVER run applications as root
[05:40] <valorie> if you have done that, that might make the problem you are having
[05:40] <valorie> and if you *do* have to run as root in a gui app, use `kdesudo`
[05:40] <glenn_> no only reason i ran it as root, is because i was getting freezing on the open dialog!
[05:41] <valorie> :(
[05:41] <glenn_> why is running gui apps as root bad?
[05:41] <glenn_> oh wait, root owning all the files it makes?
[05:41] <glenn_> hmm
[05:41] <valorie> not sure how to fix that beyond fixing your whole $HOME
[05:41] <valorie> it changes permissions in your home to root
[05:42] <valorie> this may take many minutes, depending on how big your home is, but you can run `chown -R username folder/`
[05:43] <valorie> which version of kubuntu are you using, glenn_?
[05:43] <glenn_> ill give it a whirl, cheers
[05:43] <glenn_> 15.04
[05:43] <valorie> ok, so run that on just ~/.config
[05:43] <valorie> and ~/.local
[05:43] <valorie> that will save a lot of time
[05:44] <glenn_> hmm, ‘/home/glenn/.config/QtProject.conf’ is spitting the dummy
[05:44] <glenn_> is that something i want to force?
[05:45] <valorie> huh
[05:45] <glenn_> sudo $USER:USER chown?
[05:45] <valorie> for starters, ~/ is short for "/home/glenn/"
[05:45] <valorie> I've never used it with sudo
[05:46] <valorie> !chown
[05:46] <valorie> !info okteta
[05:46] <valorie> that isn't much info
[05:47] <glenn_> hmm
[05:47] <valorie> I would look in launchpad for recent bugs filed against okteta
[05:47] <valorie> since the chown stuff won't help with your original problem
[05:48] <valorie> !sudo
[05:48] <valorie> pkexec? hmmm, I've not seen that
[05:48] <valorie> !pkexec
[05:48] <glenn_> here is the bash output of me runnign okteta from terminal
[05:48] <glenn_> http://pastebin.com/ZjHRGW8G
[05:49] <glenn_> (and open dialog - to freeze)
[05:49] <glenn_> there are some interesting lines
[05:50] <valorie> so do you think that you have ever run sudo when you should not have?
[05:50] <valorie> because finding ksycoca5 mentioned is rather suspicious
[05:51] <glenn_> most likely.. haha
[05:51] <glenn_> but not from memory
[05:51] <valorie> you might try `chown -R me:me .cache/ksycoca5`
[05:51] <valorie> too
[05:53] <valorie> well, glenn:glenn
[05:53] <valorie> not me:me
[05:55] <glenn_> hmm, issue persists
[05:57] <valorie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/okteta/+bug/1455586
[05:57] <valorie> and one more open bug
[06:01] <glenn_> sorry valerie, kubuntu froze when i clicked the link..
[06:01] <glenn_> its beign down that alot latley
[06:01] <glenn_> random freezes the require reboots
[06:01] <valorie> hmmm
[06:01] <valorie> I'm also running 15.04, + backports
[06:01] <valorie> no freezes, no crashes
[06:02] <valorie> almost boring
[06:02] <glenn_> xfce with xubuntu was so stable for me - but kde is so pretty!
[06:02] <glenn_> but so unstable for me :/
[06:02] <glenn_> my hardware is more than enough to handle aswell
[06:02] <valorie> might be a wonky driver?
[06:03] <glenn_> not sure - when i install nvidia drivers the OS wont boot
[06:03] <glenn_> and i have to go into root terminal and purge the drivers
[08:00] <sick_rimmit> Good Morning
[08:52] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:34] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[10:49] <kiko3214> Hi,  when I try to start HDR luminance or digiKam I get this error /usr/bin/digikam: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libIlmThread.so.6: invalid ELF header  .. I tried googling around but can't find anything that would lead me in direction of fixing this. Any ideas ?
[12:13] <Alex__> I have a problem with my dancepad, is it the right place to seek help ?
[12:17] <BluesKaj> Alex__, dancepad?
[12:19] <Alex__> It's a FutureMax dancepad
[12:19] <BluesKaj> what Operating System does it run on ?
[12:21] <Alex__> Kubuntu
[12:21] <Alex__> It works on Windows 7
[12:22] <Alex__> and it worked so far on Kubuntu until the latest update.
[12:25] <BluesKaj> is it software or a device/hardware ?
[12:26] <Alex__> It's a device
[12:30] <BluesKaj> i ssume it's connected via usb, so does lsusb show it?
[12:31] <Alex__> Yes
[12:31] <Alex__> Nonetheless jstest has a strange behaviour, it was not the case before. http://pastebin.com/dvvUy9Qc
[13:13] <hyper_ch> hmmmmm, what's going to happen with Kubuntu?  ->  http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Kubuntu-15.10-Worrying-State
[13:36] <BluesKaj> hyper_ch, that's just speculation based on Jonathan's departure as the Kubuntu dev leader for one year. He's still active as a developer for Kubuntu. We thnk Kubuntu will carry on past 15.10, That article is just one kid's opinion :-)
[13:37] <Esdouzewa> BluesKaj: however 15.10 alpha release notes do mention "The Kubuntu team are committed to releasing 15.10 in October. Updates, bug fixes and future releases are currently uncertain. "
[13:39] <BluesKaj> Esdouzewa, uncertain in who's opinion , the writer's or the developer's?
[13:39] <soee> until any official statements, just ignore ll this :)
[13:40] <Esdouzewa> BluesKaj: that's what I'm seeing in the kubuntu 15.10 alpha 1 download page
[13:41] <BluesKaj> soee, hard to ignore rumours tho, we just have to put up with it
[13:41] <Esdouzewa> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/Alpha1/Kubuntu <- this one
[13:59] <hyper_ch> BluesKaj: but his opinion seems to be rather prominent when he voices it ;)
[14:00]  * hyper_ch wonders if he should upgrade to wily just have a newer systemd version
[14:00] <BluesKaj> prominent ? only if you think so
[14:02] <hyper_ch> BluesKaj: top 20k visites pages worldwide :)
[14:03] <hyper_ch> interestingly, my most trafficed site ranks 350k worldwide and 163k in india...
[14:03] <soee> hyper_ch: there is not any performance boost with new systemd if ou think about it
[14:03] <soee> but the system works just fine
[14:03] <hyper_ch> soee: no, it's regardng openvpn
[14:03]  * soee is on Wily
[14:04] <hyper_ch> they introduced a feature in 220 which allows to umount network drives before the connection is closed...
[14:04] <BluesKaj> nice for him, but I spend a lot of time with the devs...does he and do the those who visit his site? I don't think so.. He's just speculating based on a mistake on a web page.
[14:04] <hyper_ch> because right now I face a 180 second timeout when powering off
[14:05] <soee> hyper_ch: ah that is thing i'm not familiar with
[14:05] <hyper_ch> before, I could use the downroot plugin in openvpn but that doesn't seem to work properly anymore with systemd
[14:08] <BluesKaj> my openvpn servers connect fine to this pc which has systemd, but that's not the same as your setup I'm sure
[14:08] <hyper_ch> BluesKaj: no, I mount cifs over the vpn
[14:08] <hyper_ch> and systemd shuts down the vpn connection
[14:08] <BluesKaj> right
[14:08] <hyper_ch> and then tries to umount the cifs
[14:08] <hyper_ch> which it can't because it becomes unresponsive
[14:09] <hyper_ch> but as said, they added new stuff in 220 which should fix that but 15.04 is just 219
[14:09] <BluesKaj> 220?
[14:09] <hyper_ch> systemd v220
[14:10] <BluesKaj> oh
[14:10] <hyper_ch> but this weekend I'll have a deeper look at btrfs... setup my homeserver anew last weekend with btrfs.... now I need to learn how to make snapshots and stuff and how to back those up efficiently
[14:11] <hyper_ch> all my rsync-ssh-hardlink-fu will need adjustment :)
[14:11] <BluesKaj> this is my first encounter with systemd, there's lots of controversy, but i works ok so far
[14:11] <BluesKaj> it works
[14:11] <hyper_ch> I still hate it ;)
[14:11] <hyper_ch> sysV was just so simple and beautiful :)
[14:12] <BluesKaj> there must be a good reason for the change
[14:13] <hyper_ch> it's more modern and you can start things in parallel which should speed up things and stuff...
[14:13] <hyper_ch> but I'm set in my old ways ;)
[14:14] <hyper_ch> hmmm, for some strange reason kmail won't update my inbox anymore
[14:14] <TJ-> My main gripe is binary logs via journald by default, unless you disable that and install syslog-ng manually. Text logs are critical when trying to fix badly broken systems
[14:15] <hyper_ch> this is bad IMHO
[14:15] <vbgunz> on KDE 5, some font rendering is really jagged
[14:15] <vbgunz> nvidia and chrome show them off the best, anyhow know how to fix it?
[14:15] <vbgunz> otherwise fonts are overall smooth
[14:17] <hyper_ch> TJ-: normal text logs are great... binary logs.... weird
[14:17] <hyper_ch> however if sysd is running it allows you get to nicely the logs for the service yuo want
[14:19] <TJ-> hyper_ch: The systems I trouble-shoot are mostly dead and I'm working with forensic copies that aren't exectued
[14:21] <TJ-> hyper_ch: with binary logs being the default, and needing to work with images containing binary log files with potential corruption/lost data in those files, makes life 10x more difficult
[14:21] <hyper_ch> I agree... as said, displaying logs within systemd is really nice
[14:22] <hyper_ch> how can I access akonadi gui in 15.04?
[14:41] <vbgunz> anyone know why some fonts in KDE 5 are jagged? it appears they have no aliasing whatsoever whereas fonts overall are smooth?
[14:43] <BluesKaj> which font do you use , vbgunz?
[14:44] <BluesKaj> and check your dpi setting
[14:54] <regedit> hello
[14:55] <regedit> sometimes my desktop/display goes bonkers, such as if plugging/unplugging a second HDMI monitor, or other unpolished scenarios
[14:55] <regedit> what are the definite list of commands to restart KDE / restart X / restart plasma etc ?
[14:55] <regedit> *definitive
[15:01] <ricktimmis> regedit: Well I just took a look at systemctl -a
[15:01] <ricktimmis> which lists a bunch of stuff, might be worth a grep / look through them see if anything looks like its suits
[15:02] <regedit> ricktimmis: ok thanks, will check that
[15:12] <murthy> BluesKaj: pm?
[15:13] <BluesKaj> murthy, ok
[16:02] <regedit> halp! my graphical desktop is not loading, which were the files i need to double-check are not owned to root? and where is the sddm config file with like auto-login settings please?
[16:04] <BluesKaj> regedit, can you get to a TTY/VT ?  If so run systemctl enable sddm
[16:05] <regedit> BluesKaj: yep i do (that's how i'm on IRC now, via weechat-curses!)
[16:05] <regedit> trying...
[16:07] <regedit> BluesKaj: i am being prompted for my password, and here's something interesting in the output:
[16:08] <regedit> BluesKaj: insserv: fopen(.depend.stop) Permission Denied
[16:09] <regedit> BluesKaj: do i need to do that as sudo?
[16:09] <BluesKaj> oops , probly
[16:09] <regedit> is sudo service sddm restart the same thing? i may have executed that at some point
[16:10] <BluesKaj> regedit, not if you're on 15.04 with systemd
[16:11] <BluesKaj> the command is systemctl instead of service
[16:11] <regedit> BluesKaj: is it bad to do the service version? does it cause unwanted side effects?
[16:12] <BluesKaj> dunno if it will work
[16:12] <regedit> BluesKaj: sudo systemctl restart/enable sddm seems to result in the same effect: all i get is the "starting version 219" steady black screen
[16:13] <BluesKaj> just run sudo systemctl enable sddm
[16:13] <regedit> did, le'me try again...
[16:14] <regedit> BluesKaj: ok it seems to have executed some stuff and showing what seems like successful output
[16:15] <regedit> Synchronizing state for .......<stuff>.....
[16:15] <regedit> Executing ...<something>... sddm defaults
[16:15] <regedit> Executing ...<something>... sddm enable
[16:16] <BluesKaj> you might want to update and upgrade too
[16:16] <regedit> k doing that...
[16:17] <regedit> BluesKaj: done
[16:17] <regedit> there were no updates, if that matters
[16:18] <BluesKaj> upgrades?
[16:18] <regedit> sorry yes no upgrades
[16:18] <regedit> did sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[16:19] <BluesKaj> ok try a reboot
[16:19] <regedit> BluesKaj: k thanks, will BRB if still trouble, thanks!
[16:21] <regedit> BluesKaj: no bacon :(
[16:22] <BluesKaj> no desktop or no sddm ?
[16:22] <regedit> BluesKaj: no desktop, how do i tell about sddm?
[16:23] <regedit> BluesKaj: i had a similar situation the other day and it was because i tried restarting plasma desktop with sudo which made some configs chowned to root
[16:24] <BluesKaj> sddm is your login page
[16:24] <regedit> BluesKaj: i'm pretty sure that's not necessarily the issue this time, but it might be worth double-checking those files to be sure. What configu files are those?
[16:24] <regedit> BluesKaj: the login screen does not show up
[16:25] <BluesKaj> which kubuntu 15.04 or 15.10?
[16:25] <regedit> i think .04... leme check again
[16:26] <regedit> BluesKaj: 15.04 according to cat /etc/*release
[16:26] <regedit> didnt know 15.10 exists
[16:27] <lordievader> 15.10 is development.
[16:28] <regedit> ah
[16:28] <BluesKaj> I don't fool with config files unless it's grub or sources.list , the obvious ones that one can edit safely
[16:28] <regedit> where is the sddm config file located? the one with the auto-login settings and such
[16:28] <regedit> ah i hear
[16:28] <lordievader> regedit: /etc/sddm.conf
[16:28] <regedit> i'll just have a peek, i won't touch i pwomise! :p
[16:29] <lordievader> Was this an oem install?
[16:29] <lordievader> That one has trouble removing the oem autologin.
[16:29] <regedit> nope manual from ISO install
[16:29] <lordievader> Or is X simply broken?
[16:29] <BluesKaj> well , thjat's your call, but i'm thinking you need to remove lightdm if you still have it installed, there might be a conflict
[16:30] <regedit> worked fine up until earlier where i messed with some of the System Settings > User login stuff (forgot what that control panel icon is called)
[16:30] <BluesKaj> startup & shutdown?
[16:31] <regedit> hm that file looks rather unpopulated compared to how i remember it before i changed settings
[16:31] <regedit> BluesKaj: yes rings a bell
[16:31] <regedit> how does the netcat 9999 thing work again?
[16:31] <lordievader> regedit: What is in the sddm log?
[16:31] <regedit> lordievader: where would that be?
[16:31] <lordievader> regedit: /var/log/sddm.log or something.
[16:32] <regedit> i see a file ~/.xsession_errors , is that interesting for now?
[16:32] <satty> hey guys why plasma is not smooth on kubuntu, when I press k button , it show start menu, but escape or click it left with menu
[16:32] <lordievader> regedit: Not if you never get the login screen.
[16:34] <regedit> well i'm seeing a bunch of output there, mostly normal/success info but maybe some errors/warnings are hidden in there. How can i paste for you guys the last several hundred lines of it?
[16:35] <lordievader> regedit: tail -n 100 <file>|pastebinit
[16:35] <regedit> there was this pipe to nc 9999 something to some paste website
[16:35] <regedit> ah ok
[16:35] <lordievader> Pastebinit does all of that for you.
[16:35] <regedit> k thanks
[16:36] <regedit> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11779363/
[16:37] <regedit> last 200 lines of /var/log/sddm.log
[16:38] <lordievader> Do you have an /etc/sddm.conf?
[16:38] <regedit> yup http://paste.ubuntu.com/11779371/
[16:38] <regedit> rather bare, i seem to remember it had more settings in there when i last checked it before i messed with System Settings > Startup & Shutdown
[16:39] <lordievader> regedit: Stop sddm, rename that file, start sddm.
[16:40] <regedit> sudo systemctl stop sddm <- like that?
[16:40] <lordievader> Yes.
[16:40] <BluesKaj> disable
[16:40] <regedit> oh?
[16:40] <lordievader> No need to disable it.
[16:40] <lordievader> Just stop it.
[16:43] <regedit> lordievader: i was switched to the F7 session where the last messages are "Starting Terminate Plymouth Boot Screen..." and "Starting wait for Plymouth boot screen to quit..."
[16:43] <lordievader> regedit: Err, run the commands from tty 1 or something.
[16:44] <regedit> not sure if it's still hanging there, or successfully complated all operations and simply not rendering anything more to the F7 screen
[16:44] <regedit> lordievader: i did
[16:44] <lordievader> regedit: Ok, did sddm start correctly?
[16:44] <regedit> i'm running this weechat-curses from F1 and executing commands in F2
[16:44] <regedit> start? i was stopping it, i thought...
[16:45] <lordievader> 26-18:39 < lordievader> regedit: Stop sddm, rename that file, start sddm.
[16:45] <regedit> didn't proceed with renaming the file yet, i wanted to check whether it's OK based on the last lines of output ^
[16:45] <lordievader> That is not output from your systemctl stop sddm
[16:46] <regedit> though after i executed that command i was switched over to the F7 session and was shown a bunch of startup/shutdown looking outputs with [ OK ] lines etc the last 2 of which were ^^
[16:47] <lordievader> Yeah, doesn't matter.
[16:47] <regedit> ok renaming file now...
[16:47] <regedit> i'm guessing sudo systemctl (re)start sddm
[16:48] <lordievader> Just start, yes.
[16:48] <regedit> ok doing...
[16:49] <regedit> lordievader: i'm just landing at that same startup-messages screen with the plymouth stuff (i guess it was just leftover messages from initial bootup or something)
[16:52] <regedit> and i'm not finding *any* /etc/sddm.conf now, was it supposed to create a default one?
[16:53] <regedit> i only see my renamed file there
[16:57] <lordievader> regedit: That is okay. Usually there ain't one. But did it start correctly?
[16:58] <regedit> lordievader: what do you mean did it start correctly? i don't have my graphical desktop / login screen if that's what you mean
[16:58] <regedit> i'm still in tty / text land, graphical desktop has yet to show itself
[16:59] <lordievader> Yes, that is what I mean.
[16:59] <lordievader> regedit: Can you start X manually?
[16:59] <regedit> lordievader: what might be the command for that please
[17:00] <regedit> lordievader: what about starting plasmashell, would that be helpful at this point?
[17:00] <lordievader> regedit: Stop X/sddm first, then /usr/bin/X
[17:00] <lordievader> Plasmashell is later, unless you skip the sddm problem. But I wouldn't be surprised if they are related.
[17:01] <regedit> lordievader: just run /usr/bin/X ? with trailing ampersand to run on its own? with/out sudo?
[17:02] <regedit> Failed to stop X.service: Unit X.service not loaded.
[17:02] <lordievader> No, in the foreground. Only use sudo if you get a permission denied.
[17:02] <hyper_ch> soee: how happy are you with wily?
[17:04] <soee> hyper_ch: same as i was with Vivid :)
[17:04] <hyper_ch> soee: how many hairs left?
[17:04] <regedit> lordievader: getting a black screen with a single steady underscore
[17:05] <soee> :)
[17:05] <regedit> lordievader: this one doesnt even seem to be the F7 session...unless i just dont understand how this all works
[17:05] <soee> hyper_ch: it works just fine  :)
[17:05] <hyper_ch> soee: hmmm, I wonder, with btrfs snapshotting... shouldn't you be able to upgrade to wily... and if you don't like it just restore the snapshot?
[17:06] <soee> that i dont know
[17:06] <lordievader> regedit: That is good, it means X works ;)
[17:06] <hyper_ch> soee: I'm just dabbling with btrfs a bit
[17:06] <hyper_ch> looks good except for apt usage
[17:06] <lordievader> regedit: Under root, or as a user?
[17:07] <regedit> lordievader: as my user
[17:07] <hyper_ch> soee: can you check which systemd version you've got?
[17:07] <soee> hyper_ch: i never used it :)
[17:07] <hyper_ch> soee: systemd --version
[17:07] <lordievader> regedit: Allright. Run in in the background and see if you can start kde (simply run 'startkde').
[17:08] <regedit> lordievader: $DISPLAY is not set or cannot connect to the X server
[17:08] <regedit> lordievader: holy crap i have something to say about that
[17:09] <regedit> lordievader: in my last yet-working session (before i rebooted and no desktop worked) i was testing/trying out some things
[17:09] <lordievader> regedit: DISPLAY=:0 startkde
[17:09] <lordievader> ;)
[17:10] <regedit> lordievader: one of the things that i tried (based on a askubuntu answer) was something like: DISPLAY=:0 kwin --replace
[17:10] <regedit> the command failed though
[17:10] <regedit> but maybe it had some permanent side effect?
[17:10] <regedit> lordievader: ok trying that..
[17:12] <regedit> lordievader: ok the output seems to indicate success of some sort, but where is the session? i can't see the desktop, it's not at F7 either
[17:14] <lordievader> regedit: It should be, if that is where X:0 is running.
[17:14] <regedit> lordievader: it seems to still be just showing those startup messages, no graphic desktop yet...
[17:14] <regedit> lordievader: shall i reboot? have i fixed the issue(s)?
[17:15] <lordievader> Hmm... Perhaps.
[17:15] <regedit> ok trying, brb...
[17:15] <regedit> should i un-rename /etc/sddm.conf ?
[17:16] <lordievader> regedit: No, leave that as is.
[17:16] <regedit> ok rebooting...
[17:18] <regedit> lordievader: no bacon yet..
[17:18] <lordievader> regedit: What is the output of 'lspci -k|grep -A2 VGA'?
[17:19] <regedit> (sure wish i knew how to do Copy/Paste in here...) ok trying
[17:20] <lordievader> regedit: Pastebinit or tmux ;)
[17:20] <lordievader> Or screen ;)
[17:21] <regedit> paste.ubuntu.com/11779585 i was referring to copying the commands from weechat-curses to tty
[17:21] <regedit> ah tmux was the other paste site i was referring to (the one with port 9999 or something)
[17:21] <lordievader> Tmux is a paste site?
[17:22] <lordievader> Tmux is a terminal multiplexer.
[17:22] <regedit> or something no? doesnt it produce a URL?
[17:22] <regedit> oh nevermind then, they might both begin with a T and i'm remembering wrong
[17:22] <lordievader> Oeh, two graphics cards -.-
[17:22] <lordievader> Do you have that prime stuff installed?
[17:22] <regedit> nvidia? i think
[17:23] <regedit> the funny thing is - this was all working just fine for days now, up until few hrs ago...
[17:23] <lordievader> So what did you do?
[17:23] <regedit> when i messed with kwin commands and suto-login settings and such
[17:23] <regedit> *auto-login
[17:23] <sithlord48> regedit:  discreite gpu?
[17:24] <regedit> i was tryin to learn various commands for restarting graphics in case things go bad (which happens a bunch for example if i plug/unplug my external HDMI monitor)
[17:24] <regedit> sithlord48: i have both intel embedded and GeForce 610M
[17:24] <sithlord48> nvidia properitay driver?
[17:25] <lordievader> sithlord48: Yes, see his latest paste.
[17:25] <regedit> i have the ubuntu 346-updates version selected
[17:25] <sithlord48> your hotswap display issues are mostly likley releated to the properitary driver.
[17:25] <regedit> i hear
[17:26] <sithlord48> you should use in your /usr/share/sddm/scripts/Xsetup your xrandr command if your having issues w display
[17:26] <sithlord48> use nvidia-settings when you remove or add a display or manually edit your xorg.conf
[17:27] <regedit> i have never yet touched any xorg.conf (knowingly anyway)
[17:27] <sithlord48> unforutnately the nvidia driver doesn't play to nice with xrandr  because its using xorg mostly
[17:27] <sithlord48> if you have the nvidia driver it makes one for you
[17:27] <regedit> i see
[17:28] <regedit> so as i was saying, i was trying to get familiar with commands such as systemctl restart sddm (or as some other website put it; service sddm restart, which may not have been the best way of doing it?)
[17:28] <sithlord48> all that is going todo is restart sddm
[17:28] <sithlord48> it willnot change your xsettings
[17:29] <regedit> and then i tried this DISPLAY=:0 kwin --replace, which resulted in an error about no 'kwin' command or something
[17:29] <sithlord48> what version are you using > ? it might be kwin_x11 now
[17:29] <regedit> then i messed with some System Settings > startup & shutdown stuff, like auto login and perhaps something else
[17:29] <regedit> after reboot, no graphical desktop :(
[17:30] <sithlord48> well what did you mess with ?
[17:30] <regedit> sithlord48: yes i do see a kwin_x11 command
[17:30] <sithlord48> this will get your window manager running..
[17:30] <BluesKaj> regedit, using nvidia-prime ?
[17:30] <regedit> sithlord48: don't remember by heart... some stuff in that control panel related to session log in and startup/shutdown...
[17:31] <regedit> ah something about saving open windows or restarting a new session each time
[17:31] <sithlord48> not gonna break your login..]
[17:31] <sithlord48> do u just get a black screen when you log in ? can you see a cursor?
[17:31] <regedit> BluesKaj: i might have a package like that installed, not sure if i am "using" it though
[17:31] <sithlord48> are you using plasma5?
[17:31] <regedit> sithlord48: yes plasma5
[17:32] <sithlord48> try rm -r ~/.cache
[17:32] <sithlord48> NOT AS ROOT
[17:32] <regedit> it seems that the F7 session screen just hangs or something. If i try to switch to alt + F7 now, i just keep seeing my current tty screen except unresponsive
[17:32] <regedit> sithlord48: ok trying that...
[17:32] <BluesKaj> regedit, you have a hybrid gpu system with 2 gpus , correct ?
[17:32] <sithlord48> ummm is kubunt not starting on tty1? as systemd likes?
[17:33] <regedit> BluesKaj: not sure what you mean by "hybrid" in this case
[17:33] <sithlord48> BluesKaj:  yes he has a intel and Nvida card
[17:33] <BluesKaj> one gpu runs on lighter loads and switches to the nvidia for heavier usage like videos and games
[17:34] <regedit> sithlord48: not sure how that would express itself, i would usually see the splash screen and then start seeing the desktop logon screen and finally reach desktop. now i see splash, then "starting version 219" forever black screen
[17:34] <regedit> ah interesting
[17:34] <sithlord48> so you get a crash of X after you log in ? not a black desktop w/ a cursor?
[17:35] <regedit> i'm not sure it's necessarily after log in, in fact the last thing i did was diable auto login
[17:35] <sithlord48>  do you see the login screen?
[17:35] <regedit> nope, nothing graphical (other than initial splash screen) succeeds to render at all, everything remains in text land
[17:36] <sithlord48> the one that says "kubuntu"
[17:36] <BluesKaj> seems that X doesn't choose a gpu after login if X isn't runniong
[17:36] <regedit> WAIT WTFFF
[17:36] <regedit> i just switched to F7 just now, it's there!!
[17:37] <regedit> i need to reboot to see this again for myself...
[17:37] <BluesKaj> so X is running after all :-)
[17:37] <sithlord48> so do u get a log or your desktop on tty7?
[17:37] <sithlord48> * login *
[17:37] <regedit> i saw the graphical log in screen, logged in, and reached my desktop
[17:38] <sithlord48>  after removing your .cache?
[17:38] <regedit> i wanna reboot to make sure this is now working as expected
[17:38] <regedit> no i didnt even do that
[17:38] <sithlord48> odd
[17:38] <regedit> very
[17:38] <regedit> i switched to F7 countless times earlier...
[17:38] <regedit> seemed just frozen / hanging, but now it's suddenly there
[17:39] <regedit> rebooting, brb... thanks a lot guys!
[17:41] <regedit> herm
[17:41] <regedit> same situation after reboot...
[17:42] <regedit> it's like, graphical desktop takes 15 minutes to start up successfully, or something...
[17:42] <regedit> right now (Ctrl +) Alt + F7 is back to hanging
[17:44] <sithlord48> if you start and stop sddm what happens?
[17:44] <regedit> trying..
[17:44] <regedit> wait what - in that order?
[17:44] <sithlord48> well stop it first if its running
[17:44] <regedit> how do i know if it's running
[17:45] <sithlord48> well you can ps -A | grep sddm
[17:45] <regedit> yep i see 3 entries there
[17:45] <regedit> sddm sddm-helper sddm-greeter
[17:46] <sithlord48> so your login screen is up then on tty7?
[17:47] <regedit> theoretically perhaps, but when i switch to it - i get nothing. i just keep seeing what i see at tty1 (where i am right now) except frozen/hanging
[17:47] <regedit> i.e. display rendering is not changing or being updated of what's supposed to show at tty7 perhaps
[17:47] <sithlord48> sddm-greater should be a login screen... what is what i get if i run it
[17:47] <sithlord48> was this working before you installed the nvidia driver?
[17:48] <regedit> graphical desktop was working just fine no probs, however i was on auto-login mode
[17:48] <regedit> all the current trouble started when i tried switching off auto login mode, which might mean that the initial login (greeter?) has issues perhaps with the video card or driver
[17:49] <sithlord48> can you restart sddm
[17:49] <regedit> except somehow (without doing much of anything?) last time suddenly tty7 did in fact show what it's supposed to
[17:49] <sithlord48> do you get any errors in the tty when you do
[17:49] <sithlord48> maybe its really slow.....
[17:49] <regedit> sithlord48: ok stopping & restarting sddm... (with systemctl)
[17:50] <regedit> sithlord48: dont think i had any errors, leme try now
[17:51] <regedit> ok i just stopped sddm, did not get any output, tty7 is now showing "starting version 219" steady on black background
[17:51] <sithlord48> yup thats normal. now start it
[17:51] <regedit> ps -A and top -bn 1 seem to indicate there is no sddm running right now
[17:51] <regedit> ok starting..
[17:53] <regedit> still just showing "starting version 219" without any additional response
[17:53] <sithlord48> no errors on tty1 ?
[17:53] <regedit> no output messages
[17:53] <regedit> yep nothing came out of executing sudo systemctl start sddm
[17:54] <regedit> i.e. no output
[17:54] <sithlord48> journalctl -u sddm
[17:54] <sithlord48> should show you sddm log any thing helpful there?
[17:55] <regedit> just some "Starting" and "Stopping Simple....Desktop manager" messages, and some pam_unix lines in between
[17:55] <regedit> want full output?
[17:56] <sithlord48> no mine looks basicly like taht as well
[17:57] <regedit> i'm wondering if the logging in screen has issues with multi monitor maybe, and it might work if i reboot with the external screen unplugged
[17:58] <sithlord48> i have some issues in sddm w/ multi monitors but its mainly just it picks the highest res they both support and its not the same for both my monitors
[17:58] <sithlord48> that and it starts in clone mode also
[17:58] <regedit> though that fluke when the logon screen suddenly did show up wroked ok(ish) even with multi mon..
[17:58] <regedit> ye it was clone instead of extend for me too
[17:59] <sithlord48> if you nvidia card is taking over that maybe an issues try it with only the one and see
[17:59] <regedit> how do i control that? these are both inside my laptop
[18:02] <regedit> is it normal that xrandr command doesnt work from tty1 / tty2 ?
[18:02] <sithlord48> depends on what mode yours runs in .. the old ones you might need vgaswitcharoo (idk about that at all) the new ones just  happends as the discrete gpu is just rendering and fowarding to the intel card.
[18:02] <sithlord48> yes
[18:03] <sithlord48> xrandr needs to be run where the display is iirc.
[18:03] <regedit> this is a 2012 laptop, i think it might be more of "the new ones" type
[18:03] <regedit> ah i see
[18:04] <sithlord48> read this .. i know its for arch. but it maybe help you get the back end
[18:04] <sithlord48> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PRIME
[18:04] <regedit> how do i read that from command line? :)
[18:05] <sithlord48> lynx?
[18:05] <regedit> never heard of, will try to apt-get that
[18:05] <sithlord48> xrandr --listproviders should show two cards like mine does
[18:06] <regedit> "Can't open display"
[18:06] <sithlord48> prime doesn not apper  to be supported by nvidia driver either..
[18:07] <regedit> really? i thought i remember it being part of the driver packages... oh well
[18:08] <sithlord48> taht page only lists open drivers as supporting it.. maybe thats because its not talking about the properitay ones idk
[18:09] <regedit> i see
[18:09] <regedit> im'a reboot with 1 monitor unplugged, just to TIAS.. brb
[18:09] <sithlord48> gl
[18:09] <wldcordeiro> I'm having a problem with my laptop where if I close the lid, rather than going into sleep mode it just shuts down and has to restart when I reopen it.
[18:09] <sithlord48> wldcordeiro: . see system settings power options be sure they are set how you would like it .
[18:11] <regedit> still no go..
[18:11] <sithlord48> you can try to reenable autologin
[18:12] <wldcordeiro> sithlord48: I have configured it the way I like, it's set to go to sleep when the lid is closed but it still shuts down.
[18:12] <sithlord48> check that power managemnt service is running
[18:12] <sithlord48> system settings-> start up / shutdown -> background services
[18:14] <regedit> sithlord48: ok i enabled Relogin=true and User=regedit in /etc/sddm.conf, rebooting...
[18:15] <sithlord48> wldcordeiro:  you can also try changing it in the config here http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2014/04/shutdown-ubuntu-14-04-lts-when-the-lid-is-closed/
[18:20] <regedit> sithlord48: i am now officially declaring this a "it's not a bug - it's a feature!" non-issue :P
[18:20] <regedit> why you ask? well
[18:20] <sithlord48> i ask ...
[18:20] <regedit> turns out the logon screen is "there" just for some buggy reason doesnt actually render. But it's there and working fine
[18:20] <sithlord48> ok then that is nice..
[18:20] <regedit> i can blindly type in my password and it logs me into graphical desktop no probs
[18:21] <sithlord48> are you on a desktop now?
[18:21] <regedit> so it's like an additional security measure - throws the noobs off :D
[18:21] <sithlord48> regedit:  there is that link from eariler if you care to look at it https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PRIME
[18:21] <regedit> yup, back to graphical desktop as usual
[18:21] <regedit> sithlord48: ok thanks will have a peek
[18:21] <sithlord48> kinda like mine but its just everything is so small you can't read it (4k screen)
[18:22] <regedit> heh wow
[18:22] <regedit> so yeah lol for now i'll just see this as an extra confuse-the-noob feature instead of problematic bug :D
[18:23] <sithlord48> for me its ok once i get into kde.. the terminal font is tiny and sddm is almost unreadable.
[18:23] <regedit> font sizes & DPI settings can prolly be tweaked?
[18:24] <regedit> or analog brute force solution: use a magnifying glass!
[18:24] <regedit> practical and succinct :D
[18:24] <sithlord48> i have a dpi setting in my Xsetup script and it helps somewhat but only with X running the console font i changed to the largest one you can use but its still pretty small..
[18:25] <regedit> if you can change the font i'm pretty sure you should be able to change the font size too
[18:25] <sithlord48> aparently sun12x22 is as large as it gets for the terminal (this is arch machine)
[18:26] <sithlord48> well regedit glad i was able to help you the little i was able to
[18:29] <regedit> sithlord48: yes thank you kind sir, your time & persistence was very muchly appreciated!
[18:30] <sithlord48> anytime if im around..
[18:30] <sithlord48> just say my name and ill usually show up
[18:35] <regedit> awesome! thanks!
[19:04] <vbgunz> BluesKaj: the font doesn't matter, in system settings, it's the fixed width font that's a culprit but also the fonts that not fixed width BUT make up the nvidia settings dialog or Chromium web pages (times new roman, arial, monospace) look jagged. It's a weird issue
[19:04] <vbgunz> shows up in Kate and I had to change the font from (I forgot) to andale mono. no aliasing whatsoever but it looks better.
[19:06] <BluesKaj> vbgunz, ok, seems to be an anomaly since i haven't seen that lately
[19:07] <vbgunz> yeah, it's really weird, it's fixed width in system settings and fonts in chromium and the nvidia dialog are just terrible
[19:07] <vbgunz> firefox too
[19:24] <tek__> hi. am i in the right place to ask questions?
[20:00] <NextFire> hi
[20:07] <vbgunz> in KDE 5 instant messenger, using Google, anyone know why some of my straight up, official Google Hangout contacts are not on the list?
[20:08] <valorie> vbgunz: it seems you have to go through the google "one app two-step verification" to get it to work
[20:08] <valorie> that said, I gave up before getting it to work
[20:09] <vbgunz> I did this, it's how I got to see the list at all
[20:19] <eduzen> Hi, i added two drives to fstab, but i need always do a mount... I thought that it was automatic if it appears in the fstab file
[20:26] <eXistenZe> hey
[20:39] <valorie> !fstab
[20:40] <valorie> eduzen: ^^^ might shed some light
[20:43] <[Relic]> probably needs to create directories
[21:09] <eduzen> already created
[21:10] <eduzen> the things that the same lines that i added, i already had in other laptop
[21:10] <valorie> vbgunz: try in #kde-telepathy
[21:10] <eduzen> but the difference was the OS
[21:15] <eduzen> well i need to go
[21:15] <eduzen> bye!
[21:24] <eXistenZe> How exactly does linux know what program opens a specific file?
[21:24] <eXistenZe> it's not the extension like win
[21:37] <valorie> eXistenZe: there is a settings file that handles that
[21:37] <valorie> however, FF etc. don't necessarily follow that
[21:38] <eXistenZe> what?
[21:40] <Romulo> hi guys, can someone help me please?
[21:41] <Romulo> I've created a simple script to run some commands in .config/autostart but it did not run as intended
[21:41] <said> Guten Abend
[21:41] <said> habt ihr
[21:41] <said> ein Deutsche site
[21:42] <Romulo> it execute normaly in konsole, does it have a different enironment in autostart
[21:46] <Romulo> no one can help? :(
[21:46] <Swipe-> Anyone else experiencing baloo_file consuming cpu even after it has finished indexing?
[21:47] <Romulo> it is working normally to me
[21:47] <Romulo> apart from the fact it isn't much smart in searching
[21:48] <Swipe-> I've just disabled it anyway
[21:49] <Romulo> I'm thinking in doing the same, sadly it isn't doing any good job in meta data search...
[21:50] <eXistenZe> is baloo usefull for aything besides file search?
[21:50] <Romulo> maybe it can do but irs usage appear to be not trivial...
[21:50] <Romulo> well it is intended to search meta information, contacts, mails, etc... but...
[21:51] <Romulo> at the moment dolphin integration cant faind fobar.x if i do a obar search... or a fo.x...
[21:51] <Swipe-> don't think I have much of requirement for it
[21:51] <Romulo> and it cant find anything by its internal content
[21:52] <Romulo> its a lot usefull if you have 10000 climate brute database and want to search by a known pattern inside it...
[21:53] <Romulo> well as I readed a while ago it was the intention, and all modern systems implemented it like 5 years ago
[22:56] <vbgunz> will Kubuntu 15.04 get KDE 15.04.2?
[23:15] <lucas-arg> hey all
[23:15] <lucas-arg> just wanted to ask something
[23:15] <lucas-arg> is kubuntu dieing?
[23:16] <vbgunz> lucas-arg: what makes ya say that?
[23:16] <lucas-arg> i read that in some web
[23:16] <lucas-arg> that they were separating from ubuntu
[23:17] <vbgunz> hmm, I don't think so, I think KDE 5 might just save the day though I really do not wish to upgrade to it (I'm currently just testing it)
[23:17] <vbgunz> brb
[23:17] <mparillo_> 1. Don't believe every bit of click-bait you read. 2. if you value Kubuntu, then help any way you can.
[23:18] <mparillo_> Report bugs, draft docs, help users here, package SW (this is probably the biggest task)
[23:18] <mparillo_> Burn DVDs and share them.


[07:08] <dholbach> good morning
[07:12] <philipballew__> morning dholbach
[07:12] <dholbach> hi philipballew_
[07:12] <bkerensa> hi
[07:26] <czajkowski> aloha
[10:11] <czajkowski> rather quiet in here
[11:06] <dholbach> any postgres experts in here? :)
[11:07] <dholbach> I'm struggling to find any information to fix this error message: psycopg2.OperationalError: definition of service "udd" not found
[11:07] <czajkowski> dholbach: stub on canonical is about and he is
[11:07] <dholbach> ok, I'll ask him
[11:15] <dholbach> he's a hero
[11:15] <dholbach> spotted my mistake in a split second's time
[11:18] <czajkowski> he is good
[11:18] <czajkowski> :)
[11:18] <czajkowski> just need to find him in the right timezone
[11:18] <czajkowski> so very early UTC
[11:19] <czajkowski> or for the next hour or so
[11:22] <dholbach> and then off to the beach... or something
[11:22] <dholbach> that's at least how I envision living in Thailand :)
[11:23] <czajkowski> dholbach: if he's not around you can always poke lifeless those are the 2 DB folks
[15:25] <dpm> Nice to see people starting to blog about their favourite contest apps: http://www.reddit.com/r/ubuntuappshowdown/comments/wo4e0/my_favourite_applications_from_ubuntu_appshowdown/
[15:49] <dholbach> if you can think of anyone who wants to give a session at Ubuntu developer Week, please nudge them until they add themselves to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Timetable :)
[15:50] <mhall119> dholbach: I want to do one about Ubuntu TV, I'll get one of the devs to join me
[15:50] <pleia2> dholbach: you're welcome to put the call for instructors on the classroom blog too
[15:50] <pleia2> I'll make sure it gets in UWN
[15:50] <dholbach> mhall119, AWESOME
[15:50] <SergioMeneses> dholbach, great!
[15:51] <dholbach> pleia2, ok, I'll blog something real quick
[15:51] <dholbach> I'll be on holidays very very soon
[16:06] <dholbach> pleia2, http://ubuntuclassroom.wordpress.com/2012/07/17/ubuntu-developer-week-planning-starts/ :-)
[16:06] <pleia2> \o/
[16:10] <SergioMeneses> dholbach, pleia2 good one! could you send it for twitter?
[16:11] <pleia2> yeah, I'll dent/tweet via the bot
[16:12] <SergioMeneses> pleia2, ok thanks
[16:12] <akgraner> Whoa  - UDW time already  time flies
[16:12] <dholbach> alright my friends - I call it a day
[16:13] <dholbach> have a great time - I won't be going on your nerves for a couple of days :-)
[16:13] <dholbach> so enjoy it
[16:13] <dholbach> big hugs
[16:14] <pleia2> have a nice time :)
[16:22] <akgraner> dholbach, rsalveti is looking at presenting something this time as well, he also forwarded it to the Linaro devplatform team
[16:22] <dholbach> akgraner, that sounds great
[16:23] <dholbach> can you get him to add himself to the wiki? o:-)
[16:31] <akgraner> yep or I will for him
[16:36] <dholbach> thanks akgraner
[16:36] <dholbach> alright my friends
[16:36] <dholbach> see you
[17:15] <jono> balloons, all set?
[17:15] <balloons> jono, indeed
[17:15] <balloons> phone again today?
[17:15] <jono> yeah will need to be, balloons
[17:16] <jono> calling in a minute
[17:19] <snap-l> I love that Office is using Ubuntu's Orange for Office 2013. :)
[17:20] <snap-l> http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/o2013-install-launch-640x360.png
[17:53] <pleia2> balloons: btw, sending out emails with the simple "thank you *list of people*" has been very nice :) (it seems like such a small thing, but even I feel the pull of "yay, that's me!")
[17:56] <balloons> pleia2, your very welcome.. I wanted to call attention to all of you.. you did very well
[17:56] <balloons> I appreciate the feedback; I'll try and keep the recognition levels up :-)
[18:25] <elfy> I did see my name somewhere on a list balloons - I thought that a nice touch too
[18:29] <balloons> elfy, :-) I'm glad
[18:29] <akgraner> balloons can you spare a minute or two for me?  I need to pick your brains for an article :-)
[18:29] <balloons> akgraner, fire away!
[18:40] <akgraner> balloons, thanks! More soon!
[19:54] <cjohnston> 2
[20:05] <balloons> cjohnston, 1
[20:06] <czajkowski> AlanBell: ping how does one kill a previous meeting
[20:06] <czajkowski> that has not ended
[20:41] <AlanBell> op up
[20:43] <czajkowski> jose killed it for us
[20:44] <AlanBell> cool, the bot treats ops as the same as the meeting chair
[20:44] <czajkowski> ah good to know for future reference
[20:44] <czajkowski> thanks
[20:46] <czajkowski> there are in fact 27 Ubuntu Members in the Italian loco
[20:46] <czajkowski> WOW
[21:24] <toddy> czajkowski: where can I see those statistics how many ubuntu members in a loco are?
[21:25] <czajkowski> toddy: the loco added it to their application
[21:25] <czajkowski> a lot pf teams keep track of how many ubuntu members they have
[21:27] <toddy> okay, but that is a manual work. I think we must count it in the future. :)
[21:27] <czajkowski> nn
[21:29] <toddy> I have no idea how much ubuntu member the german loco have.
[21:38] <nhandler> It would probably be only a couple of lines to get that information with the LP API if someone was really interested


[02:31] <wez> What can we do about snap?
[07:13] <ducasse> hi gents, ladies, and everyone else
[18:55] <Chalky> Anyone want to chat about 20.04.  I have a small issue which I think most people would want to change. I am looking for opinions.
[18:55] <Chalky> Not 20.04, I mean 22.04 though i do believe the issue existed there too.
[19:03] <Maik> if there's a issue/bug try filing a bug report on launchpad
[19:05] <Chalky> No it's not a bug, probably more a suggestion.
[19:06] <Chalky> There may even be a fix for it.
[19:07] <ducasse> you can file wishlist bugs too
[19:07] <Chalky> Ok, I might do that, thanks
[23:19] <Metamorphosis> Slow computer is killing me
[23:19] <Metamorphosis> Intel Core i 5 - 5200 CPU @ 2.20 GHZ, 8 GB Ram, 1 TB 5200 HDD, Intel HD Graphics 5500. Linux Kernel <IP_ADDRESS> Debian GNU/Linux 11, KDE Plasma Desktop 5.20.5
[23:20] <wez> Looks fast to me, except for KDE, that will slow you down.
[23:20] <daftykins> not true, running an HDD will though
[23:49] <leftyfb> Metamorphosis: you know this is #ubuntu-discuss not #debian-discuss right?
[23:49] <leftyfb> and yes the mechanical HDD doesn't lend itself to fast speeds, but KDE is also not known to be low-key either


[09:53] <Wellark_> any change getting this included in ubuntu kernels: http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/10/22/37 ?
[09:53] <Wellark_> I would appreciate if someone with hso gear could also test the patch
[10:04] <amitk> Wellark_: Is this patch already in Linus' tree?
[10:04] <Wellark_> no, just sent it to lkml
[10:06] <amitk> Wellark_: once it is accepted, file a bug in launchpad with a pointer to the patch in Linus' tree. And come and ping us here again. We'll try to get it in as a kernel update (after Karmic release)
[10:07] <Wellark> amitk: sure. will do.
[10:07] <amitk> Wellark: thanks.
[10:08] <Wellark> I found out about the problem on a netbook when I was testing kubuntu-netbook.. It soft locked always when I inserted SIM card
[10:08] <Wellark> (modem resets it self -> usb disconnect)
[10:11] <amitk> with one of the usb 3g dongles?
[10:13] <Wellark_> built-in, but basicly the same
[10:14] <Wellark_> device object with mutex and other stuff gets deleted too early and results in soft lock in certain conditions
[11:34] <diogo_79> hi
[11:34] <diogo_79> i ahve a problem with my ati graphic card in ubuntu 9.04
[11:35] <diogo_79> when i go to the dmesg log i encounter this [drm] Initialized radeon 1.29.0 20080528 on minor 0
[11:35] <diogo_79> [   35.121172] mtrr: type mismatch for c0000000,10000000 old: write-back new: write-combining
[11:35] <diogo_79> [   35.341420] mtrr: type mismatch for c0000000,10000000 old: write-back new: write-combining
[11:35] <diogo_79> [   35.341486] mtrr: type mismatch for c0000000,10000000 old: write-back new: write-combining
[11:35] <diogo_79> [   35.341535] mtrr: type mismatch for c0000000,10000000 old: write-back new: write-combining
[11:36] <diogo_79> dont know what it is and how to fix
[11:36] <diogo_79> ca someone help
[11:41] <amitk> diogo_79: open driver or closed one?
[11:41] <amitk> and what is the output of /proc/mtrr
[12:30] <diogo_79> amitk i have install radeonhd
[12:30] <diogo_79> iam going to restart and see what happens
[13:38] <penberg> apw: I think you might be interested in these two patches:
[13:38] <penberg> apw: http://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/54215/
[13:38] <penberg> apw: http://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/55298/
[13:38] <penberg> apw: related to the page allocator OOMs
[14:43] <MTecknology> Do you guys know what is needed for eCryptFS? I've been playing with things and I can apparently decrypt things, but then ls -l has a lot of ?'s in place of normal files, instead of drwx------ it's ??????????
[16:44] <cytotoxic> !ops
[16:44] <ubot3> Help! lamont, zul, T-Bone, mdz, or jdub
[16:44] <cytotoxic> !sTAFF
[16:44] <ubot3> Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel, tomaw, Gary, Vorian, PriceChild or stew, I could use a bit of your time :)
[16:46] <iulian> cytotoxic: Are you going to do this in all Ubuntu channels?
[16:57] <Bacteria> !ops
[16:57] <ubot3> Help! lamont, zul, T-Bone, mdz, or jdub
[16:57] <Bacteria> ban me
[17:00] <hyperair> lolwut?
[18:23] <JFo> pgraner, found a flight to Dallas... what was the hotel or do I need to chat with someone in particular?
[18:27] <JFo> nm, renaissance hotel
[18:54] <MTeck-ricer> Any ideas what would cause this or if it's even an issue?  init: procps main process (549) terminated with status 255
[19:03] <pgraner> JFo: all the info is here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-L
[19:04] <JFo> yeah, the room rate for UDS is showing $135 a night pgraner ...
[19:04] <JFo> that is probably not gonna happen :)
[20:22] <amitk> MTeck-ricer: it sounds like an upstart issue. Are you uptodate with the latest karmic?
[20:22] <MTeck-ricer> amitk: ya
[20:24] <amitk> probably worth a bug report, then
[20:25] <MTeck-ricer> ok, thanks
[20:56] <Xgates> is anyone aware of the kernel messages and console login displaying during bootup and reboot on karmic, because I made a bug report and haven't heard anything on it
[20:56] <Xgates> the bootup and reboot process is a bit of a mess
[21:00] <jk-> Xgates: 444362?
[21:01] <Xgates> 442697
[21:02] <Xgates> The problem is the bug report is listed as --->
[21:02] <Xgates> Karmic - Linux-generic kernel - i8042.c Controller Not Found
[21:02] <Xgates> and it's not really about a controller not being found it's about the bootup and reboot process going on that's a mess
[21:02] <maco> you could just modify the title of the bug...
[21:03] <Xgates> I don't see where you can edit?
[21:04] <maco> are ya logged in?
[21:04] <Xgates> yeah
[21:05] <maco> click the little pencil next to the title
[21:05] <Xgates> the problem is, since posting it I've noticed other problems that are more important for the dev to see that the bootup reboot process is a mess
[21:05] <maco> edit the text field
[21:05] <maco> click the green checkbox
[21:05] <maco> er checkmark
[21:05] <Xgates> ok my bad couldn't tell what that was, LOL
[21:06] <maco> yeah there was just a usability test done on the icons and it turns out everyone thinks thats a warning sign with a titled exclamation mark or something
[21:25] <Xgates> can we delete the bugs, because I need to change it but I can't edit it, I can only edit the title
[21:25] <hyperair> isn't there a button somewhere to edit the description?
[21:26] <maco> yes there is
[21:26] <maco> there's another pencil
[21:27] <Xgates> every time I try to edit it at the bottom it says --> Entity-body was not a well-formed JSON document.
[21:27] <Xgates> and the cursor just spins and it never saves
[21:27] <hyperair> heh
[21:27] <hyperair> fun.
[21:27] <hyperair> go to #launchpad and complain
[21:27] <maco> Xgates: are you on edge or stable?
[21:27] <maco> Xgates: like, does the URL say edge.launchpad.net?
[21:28] <Xgates> bugs.launchpad.net
[21:28] <maco> wow a bug in production. nice!
[21:29] <Xgates> bug in production, huh?
[21:29] <Xgates> can we delete a bug we posted?
[21:30] <Xgates> looks like all I can do is Convert to a question
[21:34] <jk-> mark it as invalid if you want it "removed"
[21:36] <Xgates> ok I got it edited
[21:37] <Xgates> so not sure if this is a kernel issue or just usplash messing things up but this is the bug: --- 458527
[21:37] <Xgates> the kernel team should look at it, just in case it's a combination of the kernel and usplash because the bootup and reboot process is messy looking
[21:43] <hyperair> bug 458527
[21:43] <ubot3> Malone bug 458527 in usplash "Kernel Boot Up & Reboot Process With Usplash Screen Not Working" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/458527
[21:43] <hyperair> the bug number sounds familiar..
[21:44] <hyperair> or not
[21:45] <hyperair> Xgates: usplash doesn't die and come back.
[21:45] <hyperair> Xgates: usplash dies, and xsplash is late in taking over.
[21:45] <hyperair> basically, xsplash doesn't start fast enough
[21:46] <hyperair> if xsplash doesn't start fast enough, then gdm isn't starting fast enough.
[21:55] <Xgates> I said what I said because usplash pops out then back
[21:56] <Xgates> if usplash died then why it comes back, then goes away again
[21:57] <Xgates> call it dying or what you choose, I'm just saying it disappears, console msgs popup then it reappears
[22:10] <tiagoboldt> Hi, I have an up to date karmic by my side, and I'm not able to use the wlan0 interface, using the rt61pci driver. I've installed 2.6.29 from kernel-mainline and it works without any problem. From that point on.. nothing. Ideas?
[22:10] <tiagoboldt> I've already tried enabling the backports and install linux-backport-modules, no good..


[04:38] <robotgeek> hi..question. what do i do with stuff like this. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BrianWiese
[04:40] <robotgeek> found it in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VimSyntaxHighlighting/talk
[04:40] <ajmitch> looks like a personal page
[04:40] <ajmitch> so leave it
[04:40] <robotgeek> okay. looking to make a vim page with all vim links in it
[04:41] <ajmitch> I guess it shouldn't be a subpage of that
[04:41] <ajmitch> so reparent?
[04:42] <robotgeek> i dunno why it's there in the first place.
[06:52] <Burglaptop> mpt, ping
[06:54] <Madpilot> hi Burglaptop
[06:58] <Burglaptop> salut Madpilot
[07:33] <Burglaptop> bonsoir robitaille
[07:34] <robitaille> hey Burglaptop!
[07:35] <ajmitch> robitaille: quite a few, aren't there? :)
[07:35] <robitaille> it's a good thing
[07:40] <ajmitch> yep
[07:40] <ajmitch> thanks for writing up that announcement to make it possible :)
[07:40] <robitaille> no problem.
[08:01] <Burglaptop> rob^, can I suggest a quick change to the faqguide? we can remove totem-xine for the list of things to install. Gstreamer appears to work.
[08:02] <Burglaptop> rob^, and totem-xine simply means that they have to get w32codecs
[08:04] <robitaille> I discovered this week that installing gstreamer0.8-plugins gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse allowed me to play some things in totem that I could play previously using w32codecs
[08:05] <Burglaptop> yes, I just discovered that too
[08:05] <Burglaptop> .mpg and the trailers from trailers.apple
[08:05] <Burglaptop> I think gstreamer is now as complete as xine
[08:06] <Burglaptop> but I have no sound with the totem plugin
[08:07] <robitaille> haven't tried the plugins;  I was testing it using a the stand-alone client.  let me try one
[08:09] <robitaille> same here; no sounds on one of the apple trailer using the plugin
[08:10] <Burglaptop> hmm
[08:22] <robitaille> Burglaptop,  using totem-xine results in no image and no sounds using the plugin inb the trailers.apple site.  So I guess gstreamer is 50% better; but not perfect.
[08:35] <Burglaptop> robitaille, you need w32codecs
[08:37] <robitaille> yeah I guess.  the point of the exercise in my mind was to try to find a way  away from installing w32codecs.   for the amount of multimedia I do, I'll stick with gstreamer.  But for users in general, I guess you still have to suggest using totem-xine since it still works better
[08:40] <Burglaptop> yes, but we also tell the user to install all the gstreamer stuff
[08:43] <rob^> hi, whats that?
[08:45] <rob^> at the moment the list is:
[08:45] <rob^> Libraries (multiverse) > gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse
[08:45] <rob^> Libraries (universe) > gstreamer0.8-plugins
[08:45] <rob^> Libraries (universe) > gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg
[08:45] <rob^> Libraries (universe) > gstreamer0.8-mad
[08:45] <rob^> Multimedia > vorbis-tools
[08:45] <rob^> Multimedia (multiverse) > lame
[08:45] <rob^> Multimedia (multiverse) > faad
[08:46] <rob^> Multimedia (multiverse) > gstreamer0.8-lame
[08:46] <rob^> Multimedia (universe) > sox
[08:46] <rob^> Graphics (multiverse) > mjpegtools
[08:46] <rob^> Graphics (universe) > ffmpeg
[08:46] <rob^> GNOME Desktop Enviroment (universe) > totem-xine
[08:46] <rob^> (sorry for the paste!)
[08:47] <rob^> so you want to remove totem-xine? does video now play smoothly without it?
[08:49] <rob^> brb
[08:54] <Burglaptop> rob^, we install totem-xine, which doesn't use all the gstreamer plugins we just installed
[08:54] <Burglaptop> let me get you a patch
[08:55] <Burglaptop> rob^, I forgot to review it
[08:55] <Burglaptop> we should only need to install 3 things
[08:55] <rob^> true, but one day we will use all the gstreamer stuff, it just doesn't work all that well yet
[08:55] <Burglaptop> rob^, it actually does on fresh installs
[08:55] <rob^> unless something has changed again lately
[08:55] <Burglaptop> rob^, robitaille and I were just testing it
[08:56] <rob^> what about totem-gstreamer?
[08:56] <Burglaptop> that is what we were just testing
[08:56] <rob^> thats the default right? does it work well/smooth?
[08:56] <robotgeek> i tried both totem-gstreamer/totem-xine. totem-xine works better
[08:56] <rob^> I wonder how that will affect translations though
[08:56] <Burglaptop> rob^, yes, gstreamer is the default
[08:57] <rob^> last time I checked it was painfully slow
[08:57] <Burglaptop> robotgeek, -gstreamer has made great strides in breezy
[08:57] <robotgeek> Burglaptop: doesn't rhythmbox use gstreamer? it skips while playing an mp3 :(
[08:57] <robitaille> personally I findgstreamer is still a bit on the slow side on my laptop
[08:58] <Burglaptop> robotgeek, yes it does
[08:58] <rob^> yeah, I get a bit of choppyness with rhythmbox when my system is under a little bit of load
[08:58] <Burglaptop> yes, but gstreamer is only patent illegal, not copyright illegal as well, ala w32codecs
[08:59] <Burglaptop> and multiverse is easier to add than hoary-extras
[08:59] <rob^> I wish there was a better way then w32codecs, but I fail to see one
[09:00] <Burglaptop> it appears to me that there is
[09:00] <rob^> does gstreamer support everything that w32codecs does?
[09:00] <Burglaptop> should, with multiverse plugins
[09:00] <robitaille> Burglaptop,  I'm all for suggesting to use gstreamer, but my test earlier on trailers.apple didn't produce any sounds for the trailer I was looking at using only stuff from multiverse
[09:01] <robitaille> it's a bit late  in the game to make that switch, isn't it?
[09:01] <Burglaptop> robitaille, that is likely a totem bug, not a specific gstreamer one
[09:01] <Burglaptop> rob^, that is my bad, I forgot to review it throughly for saneness
[09:02] <robitaille> Burglaptop,  or a missing codec in multiverse for the audio track of these trailers
[09:03] <Burglaptop> unlikely
[09:04] <Burglaptop> let me test by downloading
[09:04] <robotgeek> unfortunately, can't help u guys here..i am on ppc
[09:04] <robitaille> I have faced very recently 2 videos that were only video, no audio, due to codecs issues.  one was solved by using vlc, the other by using w32codecs
[09:04] <rob^> got a url for that apple movie that was causing problems?
[09:05] <robitaille> http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/newline/the_man/theMan240.html
[09:06] <rob^> yeah it runs ok with w32codecs and totem-xine
[09:07] <robitaille> but I got no sounds using totem-gstreamer will all the multiverse plugins installed.
[09:08] <Burglaptop> ok, fails to play
[09:08] <Burglaptop> hmm
[09:08] <Burglaptop> but we should cleanup the installation stuff
[09:08] <rob^> yeah, same looks like its no good
[09:08] <Burglaptop> we only need to install 3 things
[09:09] <Burglaptop> sox and the non gstreamer stuff can die
[09:09] <rob^> nah
[09:10] <rob^> you still need lame, faad and others for stuff
[09:10] <rob^> ffmpeg
[09:10] <Burglaptop> you do, but gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse will get all that for you
[09:10] <rob^> about the only one that could die is sox
[09:10] <Burglaptop> and -plugins will get the stuff from universe
[09:10] <rob^> not everything uses gstreamer that needs those packages though
[09:10] <Burglaptop> and -ffmpeg, because that isn
[09:11] <Burglaptop> 't in the other three
[09:11] <rob^>  Multimedia (multiverse) > lame
[09:11] <rob^> Multimedia (multiverse) > faad
[09:11] <rob^> these ones I mean
[09:11] <Burglaptop> those ones will come with -plugins-multiverse
[09:11] <Burglaptop> trust me
[09:11] <rob^> I know there are gstreamer ones, but they suck
[09:11] <Burglaptop> the gstreamer ones use lame and fadd
[09:12] <Burglaptop> they are just wrappers around the existing code
[09:12] <rob^> grr multimedia sucks on linux doesn't it?
[09:12] <Burglaptop> yes
[09:12] <robotgeek> on ppc, very much :(
[09:12] <rob^> it would be nice if you could just install a package called "codecs" and everything is done for you
[09:13] <robitaille> Burglaptop,  gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg is not included in gstreamer0.8-plugins ...
[09:13] <Burglaptop> rob^, you almost can
[09:13] <Burglaptop> robitaille, yes I know
[09:13] <Burglaptop> rob^, you only need 3 meta packages
[09:14] <rob^> hang on, let me try removing w32codecs and just using gstreamer
[09:18] <rob^> I removed everything without gstreamer next to it except totem-xine
[09:19] <Burglaptop> you need totem-gstreamer and those plugin packages, plug ffmpeg
[09:20] <rob^> Ok, so I removed lame faad ffmpeg sox mjpegtools vorbis-tools and w32codecs, but not totem-xine
[09:20] <rob^> that apple trailer plays but without sound
[09:21] <Burglaptop> ok
[09:21] <rob^> if I remove totem-xine and install totem-gstreamer, it doesn't play at all
[09:22] <rob^> so we at least need w32codecs for quicktime
[09:23] <rob^> and totem-xine because the gstreamer one sucks
[09:23] <robitaille> did you noticed a difference in speed between totem-xine and totem-gstreamer?
[09:24] <rob^> robitaille, yes, one works one doesnt
[09:24] <rob^> :)
[09:25] <rob^> does dvdrip use gstreamer yet?
[09:26] <robitaille> rob^,  totem-gstreamer worked for me but no sounds;  and video seemed a bit slow.
[09:26] <rob^> it does suggest mjpegtools though
[09:27] <rob^> well, I say we leave it, currently its the best working option if the user installs w32codecs and even if they dont
[09:28] <rob^> we just need to make sure RestrictedFormats on the wiki is up to scratch and easy to follow
[09:28] <rob^> for w32codecs anywya
[09:28] <rob^> s/anywya/anyway
[09:30] <rob^> ok, bbl
[09:35] <rob^> grr downloader for X still isn't working
[09:40] <ajmitch> rob^: can you give more info on malone #2340?
[09:40] <ajmitch> since it looks like it was apache that failed, rather than anything in your report :)
[09:41] <Burglaptop> rob^, hopefully dapper will solve much of this
[09:41] <Burglaptop> night all
[09:41] <rob^> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2340
[09:41] <rob^> ajmitch, on that one?
[09:42] <ajmitch> malone
[09:43] <rob^> grr I wish we just used one bts
[09:43] <ajmitch> we will
[09:43] <robitaille> rob^,  I have tried 2340, and it works fine now.
[09:43] <rob^> I did it yesterday
[09:45] <rob^> I ended up getting it working by just running the apt-get again
[09:45] <ajmitch> ok
[09:45] <rob^> I think its just because things are not configured in the right order
[09:45] <robitaille> humm...but I have apache2 already installed on my machine.  installing usermin worked for me on the 1st try
[09:58] <rob^> anyone know where I can find some information on yelp?
[09:58] <robitaille> yelp yelp    :)
[10:00] <robitaille> http://directory.fsf.org/text/doc/yelp.html points to some urls, but notihng obvious documentation-wise
[10:01] <rob^> there is a couple of bounties on the gnome web site at the bottom of this page: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2340
[10:01] <rob^> grr
[10:01] <rob^> http://www.gnome.org/bounties/Documentation.html
[10:01] <rob^> that page
[10:12] <rob^> :-*
[10:12] <rob^> hmm, gaim and irc..
[10:43] <mdke> morning all
[10:43] <Madpilot> hi mdke
[10:43] <robotgeek> hi mdke Madpilot
[10:44] <rob^> hello
[10:44] <mdke> hi there
[10:44] <mdke> rob^, how is your translation of the faqguide going?
[10:45] <rob^> well, I've kind of come to the conclusion that seeing as I'm an aussie and I understand everything there, it doesn't really need translating into AU english
[10:45] <robotgeek> makes sense to me
[10:45] <rob^> I noticed the same thing on evolution also
[10:45] <Madpilot> rob^: so you'll just add "G'day, mate!" to the top, and call it translated into AU_en? ;)
[10:46] <rob^> heh yeah, I was thinking of pulling out an aussie slang dictionary out..
[10:46] <Madpilot> ... and I'll add "eh?" to the end of every 2nd sentance, and call it translated into CA_en... ;)
[10:46] <rob^> might of been humourous
[10:46] <rob^> haha
[10:46] <mdke> has anyone noticed that there is no option in nautilus to have the address bar there for browser mode?
[10:47] <mdke> i hate the way that gnome always have to bugger something up for every release
[10:47] <rob^> there is a "places" bar
[10:47] <Madpilot> actually, maybe I'll thrash out a "Canadian translation" for the UBZ folks...
[10:47] <rob^> haha
[10:47] <rob^> I wish I was going :(
[10:48] <mdke> rob^, yes, and you can get the address with go->location but you can't set it to always show up like that, unless you edit a gconf key
[10:48] <rob^> mdke, ah yeah I see
[10:48] <rob^> I tend to use the xterm for everything, so never really noticed
[10:49] <mdke> i use nautilus a lot
[10:49] <rob^> why the heck did they remove it?
[10:50] <Madpilot> the Gnome "Open File" dialogue box already used buttons, so Nautilus has been changed to match, I think
[10:50] <mdke> rob^, cos they suck
[10:50] <rob^> Madpilot, pretty much
[10:50] <rob^> mdke, yep
[10:51] <rob^> I think I've found a solution to having svn access at work
[10:51] <mdke> use linux?
[10:51] <rob^> hehe apart from that
[10:51] <Madpilot> I sort of like the buttons; fastest way to move up a directory tree. Not sure how I'm going to like them in Naut, though... (not running Breezy yet...)
[10:51] <rob^> I'm talking a solution that uses an nt4 box without installing anything
[10:52] <rob^> I got webmin going on my home box and pointed a domain name I own at it
[10:53] <rob^> It was a bit painful, but I now have buttons in webmin that do "svn up", "svn commit" and stuff
[10:53] <mdke> heh cool
[10:53] <mdke> i guess you could just use putty dude
[10:53] <rob^> nah, basted firewall
[10:53] <mdke> run an ssh server on a different port?
[10:54] <rob^> I was thinking of using some tunneling software to get out, but this method doesn't break any work IT policies
[10:54] <mdke> ah
[10:54] <rob^> nah, all ports are ssh/telnet blocked
[10:54] <mdke> jeez
[10:54] <mdke> i'm starting a new job next week
[10:55] <mdke> i ran em up, to ask about computer compatibility and the guy was chuffed when he heard that I ran linux
[10:55] <mdke> i was worried I might have to install windows :)
[10:55] <rob^> I was going to tunnel over ICMP or DNS, but I don't know how I would explain all that traffic
[10:55] <mdke> heh
[10:55] <Madpilot> rob^: where do you work that's so locked down?
[10:56] <rob^> err
[10:56] <mdke> that's classified
[10:56] <mdke> he'd have to kill you
[10:56] <rob^> hehe
[10:56] <Madpilot> heh. never mind, then...
[10:56] <mdke> he works for microsoft
[10:56] <rob^> yeah, thats it
[10:56] <rob^> we still use nt4
[10:57] <mdke> man that faqguide is gonna take a while to translate
[10:57] <rob^> we distribute xp for all the suckers
[10:57] <rob^> yeah
[10:58] <Madpilot> a friend figures NT4 is the only stable OS Redmond ever managed to produce... :|
[10:58] <rob^> Burgundavia wanted to make some changes before, I was like: I dunno about that
[10:58] <mdke> to XP?
[10:59] <rob^> yeah nt4 is so secure, only because of it so old and new worms etc don't work on it :)
[10:59] <rob^> umm great english that
[10:59] <Madpilot> like Win98 is "secure" these days...
[11:00] <rob^> check out the list of breezy badger translations https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+translations
[11:00] <rob^> a while to go yet!
[11:00] <rob^> hehe: Release Date:
[11:00] <rob^> When it's done.
[11:01] <mdke> hmm
[11:01] <mdke> my touchpad is crazy
[11:01] <mdke> i turned the sensitivity down to minimum in the mouse preferences, and it is still flying around the screen
[11:02] <robotgeek> mdke: maybe u need to do some think in your xorg
[11:02] <mdke> robotgeek, i don't play with configuration
[11:02] <mdke> if it doesn't work out of the box, it's a bug
[11:02] <robotgeek> mdke: :)
[11:03] <robotgeek> makes sense
[11:03] <Madpilot> there's a translation project into Old English? um... OK...
[11:03] <rob^> hehe
[11:03] <rob^> ouch
[11:03] <mdke> awesome!
[11:04] <Madpilot> Esperanto, too...
[11:04] <rob^> and ye click ye olde OK button
[11:05] <robotgeek> klingon?
[11:05] <rob^> robotgeek, yes
[11:05] <robotgeek> i know it's there...crazy!
[11:05] <Madpilot> yeah, Klingon too...
[11:06] <rob^> only for tuxpaint though
[11:06] <rob^> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+lang/tlh
[11:06] <Madpilot> no Tolkien Elvish languages, though...
[11:06] <Madpilot> artist Klingons, evidently...
[11:06] <rob^> yes
[11:07] <mdke> lol
[11:07] <mdke> the sensitive klingons
[11:07] <rob^> dam I have never even heard of half of thouse languages
[11:08] <rob^> those*
[11:08] <rob^> dam rsi
[11:08] <Madpilot> 6 varieties of Spanish; 4 of Chinese; 3 of Arabic; 5 of English (plus Old English)... wow.
[11:09] <mdke> Madpilot, i have to say, i think it's a waste of people's time to translate into variations of English
[11:09] <Madpilot> yeah. Even Australians can be understood, with a bit of effort! ;)
[11:09] <mdke> i've never had a problem understanding US or AU or whatever
[11:10] <mdke> omg
[11:10] <mdke> i forgot to gloat about the Ashes to rob^
[11:10] <rob^> omg someone has translated the bible into klingon too
[11:10] <rob^> yeah.. go to hell :P
[11:10] <mdke> :)
[11:11] <Madpilot> rob^: Shakespeare, too, I've heard
[11:12] <Madpilot> what is "Interlingua"? Another artificial lang. like Esperanto?
[11:15] <Madpilot> it's a constructed language - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interlingua
[11:15] <Madpilot> interesting
[11:16] <rob^> grr the klingons have no word for "pink"
[11:17] <Madpilot> why am I not surprised? It's just not a very Klingon colour...
[11:17] <ajmitch> rob^: that matters? :)
[11:18] <Madpilot> night all - it's 0215 here, need sleep - working Saturdays bites....
[02:48] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: are you already awake?
[03:27] <mdke> hi jsgotangco
[03:27] <rob^> mdke, do you know whats going on with the xincludes in the faq guide?
[03:27] <mdke> no idea
[03:28] <rob^> the faq guide doesn't build properly using the scripts
[03:28] <jsgotangco> hi
[03:28] <rob^> it just puts the tags in
[03:35] <jsgotangco> darn im so tired
[03:35] <jsgotangco> i hvaen't been doing anything productive for the docteam
[03:35] <jsgotangco> these talks are just punishing to the health
[03:36] <jsgotangco> im going to take a rest first
[03:36] <jsgotangco> brb
[04:11] <rob^> jbailey, is it too early to get a docs package released in Breezy that works properly (registed in) in yelp?
[04:12] <rob^> registered.. brr its cold here tonight!
[04:13] <rob^> umm even if it only contains the english version of the FAQ guide for now?
[04:23] <jbailey> rob^: No, I've just been lagged.  It's on my todo for this weekend.
[04:23] <jbailey> I'm just trying to motivate myself to do work things right now.
[04:23] <rob^> ah ok sounds good, I just wanted to see it in action (how exciting!)
[04:58] <rob^> Burgundavia, you there?
[07:40] <dholbach> hellas
[07:40] <dholbach> is gnome-bittorrent featured somewhere?
[07:40] <dholbach> in the docs?
[07:40] <dholbach> i'd like to change the menu entry for it
[07:41] <dholbach> to say "BitTorrent" instead of "GNOME BitTorrent"
[07:41] <dholbach> you think that 'll be a problem?
[10:36] <dholbach> i'm off - see you guys


[06:17] <Guest12029> hello all
[06:18] <MooDoo> pah nick changes
[16:17] <popey> jussi: we lost out ubot in #ubuntu-app-devel again ☹
[16:17] <jussi> popey: which ubot?
[16:18] <popey> 21:09 -!- ubot2 [~ubot2@unaffiliated/jpds/bot/ubot2] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
[16:19] <jussi> ubot5: join #ubuntu-app-devel
[16:19] <jussi> shaddup
[16:19] <jussi> popey: I assume all good now?
[16:20] <popey> no, i see no bot there
[16:23] <popey> \o/
[18:27] <jose> IRCC: ubot2 is down, can someone bring him back up, please?
[18:34] <Unit193> That bot is run by jpds and hosted by Nafallo last I knew.
[18:43] <jose> then, ping?
[21:08] <k1l_> that looks like in my math and physics classes :)