[03:36] <mup> Bug #1427969 was filed: Upgrading to MAAS 1.7.1 to 1.7.2 causes migrations to fail <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1427969>
[04:06] <mup> Bug #1427969 changed: Upgrading to MAAS 1.7.1 to 1.7.2 causes migrations to fail <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1427969>
[09:22] <mup> Bug #1428041 was filed: Invalid choice configure-maas-url when upgrading to 1.7.2rc1 <landscape> <MAAS:New> <maas (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1428041>
[09:23] <mup> Bug #1428042 was filed: Migration hang with defunct process when upgrading from 1.7.1 to 1.7.2rc1 <landscape> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1428042>
[09:23] <mup> Bug #1428041 was filed: Invalid choice configure-maas-url when upgrading to 1.7.2rc1 <landscape> <MAAS:New> <maas (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1428041>
[10:41] <allenap> I think we probably only need one of ubot5 or mup telling us about every bug.
[10:41] <allenap> I have no preference though.
[10:41] <allenap> Does anyone know who maintains these bots?
[13:02] <nerash> hello
[13:02] <nerash> where is maas index file placed?
[13:02] <nerash> please help
[14:00] <mup> Bug #1428142 was filed: Node listing page - custom checkboxes <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1428142>
[14:00] <mup> Bug #1428143 was filed: Design: node listing page - row selection <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1428143>
[14:00] <mup> Bug #1428144 was filed: Design: Power state progress icon <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1428144>
[14:14] <mup> Bug #1428147 was filed: 'Check power state' button <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1428147>
[14:14] <mup> Bug #1428149 was filed: 'The node has been asked to start up' notification <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1428149>
[14:24] <mup> Bug #1428147 changed: 'Check power state' button <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1428147>
[14:24] <mup> Bug #1428149 changed: 'The node has been asked to start up' notification <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1428149>
[14:30] <mup> Bug #1428147 was filed: 'Check power state' button <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1428147>
[14:30] <mup> Bug #1428149 was filed: 'The node has been asked to start up' notification <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1428149>
[17:03] <dimitern> mup, say bug
[17:03] <mup> dimitern: Unknown commands are unknown.
[17:03] <dimitern> LOL
[17:03] <dimitern> these two bots can't get enough of each other :)
[17:04] <dimitern> rvba, hey are you around?
[17:53] <mup> Bug #1428041 changed: Invalid choice configure-maas-url when upgrading to 1.7.2rc1 <landscape> <MAAS:New> <maas (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1428041>
[17:53] <mup> Bug #1428041 changed: Invalid choice configure-maas-url when upgrading to 1.7.2rc1 <landscape> <MAAS:New> <maas (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1428041>
[18:13] <mup> Bug #1428042 changed: Migration hang with defunct process when upgrading from 1.7.1 to 1.7.2rc1 <landscape> <MAAS:Fix Released> <Ubuntu:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1428042>
[18:14] <mup> Bug #1428042 was filed: Migration hang with defunct process when upgrading from 1.7.1 to 1.7.2rc1 <landscape> <MAAS:Fix Released> <Ubuntu:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1428042>
[18:14] <mup> Bug #1428042 changed: Migration hang with defunct process when upgrading from 1.7.1 to 1.7.2rc1 <landscape> <MAAS:Fix Released> <Ubuntu:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1428042>
[18:14] <mup> Bug #1428042 was filed: Migration hang with defunct process when upgrading from 1.7.1 to 1.7.2rc1 <landscape> <MAAS:Fix Released> <Ubuntu:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1428042>
[18:14] <mup> Bug #1428042 changed: Migration hang with defunct process when upgrading from 1.7.1 to 1.7.2rc1 <landscape> <MAAS:Fix Released> <Ubuntu:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1428042>
[18:15] <jhobbs> which bug was that mup?
[18:15] <mup> Bug #1428042 was filed: Migration hang with defunct process when upgrading from 1.7.1 to 1.7.2rc1 <landscape> <MAAS:Fix Released> <Ubuntu:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1428042>
[18:15] <jhobbs> thanks
[18:15] <mup> Bug #1428042 changed: Migration hang with defunct process when upgrading from 1.7.1 to 1.7.2rc1 <landscape> <MAAS:Fix Released> <Ubuntu:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1428042>
[18:15] <mup> Bug #1428042 was filed: Migration hang with defunct process when upgrading from 1.7.1 to 1.7.2rc1 <landscape> <MAAS:Fix Released> <Ubuntu:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1428042>
[18:15]  * jhobbs emails gustavo
[18:16] <mup> Bug #1428042 changed: Migration hang with defunct process when upgrading from 1.7.1 to 1.7.2rc1 <landscape> <MAAS:Fix Released> <Ubuntu:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1428042>
[18:16] <mup> Bug #1428042 was filed: Migration hang with defunct process when upgrading from 1.7.1 to 1.7.2rc1 <landscape> <MAAS:Fix Released> <Ubuntu:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1428042>
[18:16] <mup> Bug #1428042 changed: Migration hang with defunct process when upgrading from 1.7.1 to 1.7.2rc1 <landscape> <MAAS:Fix Released> <Ubuntu:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1428042>
[18:24] <niemeyer> jhobbs: Hey
[18:24] <jhobbs> howdy niemeyer
[18:24] <jhobbs> it's stopped now
[18:25] <jhobbs> bug 1428041
[18:25] <niemeyer> jhobbs: It doesn't look like they are fighting
[18:25] <niemeyer> jhobbs: Looks like mup is reporting the same bug multiple times instead
[18:25] <jhobbs> ah ok niemeyer
[18:26] <niemeyer> jhobbs: It could indicate a bug in mup, or that Launchpad is misbehaving with cached content somehow
[18:26] <niemeyer> jhobbs: I'm having a look
[18:26] <jhobbs> niemeyer: thanks
[18:27] <niemeyer> jhobbs: I'm betting on the latter option, since mup correctly identified the shift back and forth
[18:27] <niemeyer> jhobbs: filed/changed/filed/changed
[18:33] <niemeyer> jhobbs: Note the interactions here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1428042
[18:34] <niemeyer> jhobbs: At the far bottom
[18:34] <jhobbs> niemeyer: ahh
[18:34] <niemeyer> jhobbs: jhobbs: new => released; confirmed => released; released => invalid; invalid => released
[18:34] <niemeyer> jhobbs: People were dancing around, and mup was following along
[18:35] <jhobbs> niemeyer: is it really useful to display all of that in IRC?
[18:35] <niemeyer> jhobbs: Is it really useful to do all of that? :-)
[18:36] <jhobbs> people are human - mup can rise above
[18:36] <niemeyer> jhobbs: You know mup stands for "muppet" right?
[18:36] <niemeyer> jhobbs: ;)
[18:36] <jhobbs> niemeyer: alright well at least it's not something that happens for every update
[18:37] <jhobbs> niemeyer: thanks for looking into it so quickly
[18:37] <niemeyer> jhobbs: More seriously, if people start to do that kind of silly back and forth, we'll to improve the plugin to stop it from bothering
[18:37] <niemeyer> jhobbs: Please do let me know if that's the case
[18:37] <jhobbs> niemeyer: here's another one
[18:37] <jhobbs> https://pastebin.canonical.com/126891/
[18:38] <jhobbs> that bug doesn't appear to have the dancing around in it
[18:39] <niemeyer> jhobbs: Indeed.. there's something more awkward going on there
[18:40] <niemeyer> jhobbs: This is more likely Launchpad providing diverging answers for updates
[18:40] <niemeyer> jhobbs: Likely due to caching+balancing
[18:41] <niemeyer> jhobbs: We can probably fix both issues by increasing the refresh delay
[18:45] <niemeyer> jhobbs: Alright, delay increased
[18:45] <niemeyer> jhobbs: Please let me know if it bothers again
[18:45] <jhobbs> niemeyer: awesome thanks
[18:45] <jhobbs> niemeyer: any idea who runs ubot5?
[18:46] <niemeyer> jhobbs: No idea
[22:06] <kiko> thanks niemeyer


 I just installed Ubuntu MATE on a MacBook Pro and configured GRUB. Has any of you done it? I would like to share some thoughts about the experience
[07:05] <EriC^^> morning all
[07:06] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: You going to be on for a bit ?
[07:09] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje_: You going to be on for a bit ?
[07:13] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:13] <EriC^^> morning lordievader
[07:13] <EriC^^> how are you?
[07:13] <lordievader> Hey EriC^^
[07:13] <lordievader> Doing good here, how are you?
[07:13] <EriC^^> good thanks
[07:39] <ducasse> good morning, all
[07:40] <lordievader> Hey ducasse
[07:43] <ducasse> hi lordievader - all well?
[07:43] <lordievader> Doing good here, how are you?
[07:50] <lotuspsychje_> bbl work
[07:50] <ducasse> all good, thanks
[07:51] <EriC^^> hey ducasse
[07:56] <ducasse> hi EriC^^, how are you today?
[07:58] <EriC^^> good thanks, you?
[08:00] <ducasse> all good here, just having a relaxing morning.
[09:53] <oerheks> Hi girls :-D
[09:53] <jink> O__o
[09:53] <oerheks> hello sir :-)
[09:54] <jink> That's so sexist, assuming gender. :P
[09:54] <oerheks> true .. but i like the confusing some have about mine
[09:54] <jink> Maar goed, goedemorgen! :D
[09:54] <oerheks> oh, jij weer
[09:54] <jink> "heks" kinda gives it away, no? :o
[09:54] <oerheks> wikipedia heeft het goed.
[09:54] <oerheks> "meestal"
[09:55] <jink> Ah, ok.
[09:55] <jink> I can't be bothered either way, tbh. :P
[09:56] <oerheks> i am waiting for a core 2 duo laptop ..
[09:56] <jink> ^__^
[09:56] <oerheks> i love freebies, well i have to wash windows for it.
[09:58] <jink> 2?
[09:58] <jink> Or more?
[09:59] <oerheks> maybe 5, all ground floor. he does not want money for it, so we do it like this, closed wallets
[09:59] <jink> Aight. :)
[10:00] <oerheks> *if* it has just 2 gb ddr2, i have 4 gb sodimm here eating dust
[10:03] <lordievader>  > i am waiting for a core 2 duo laptop ..
[10:03] <lordievader> As in the machine physically, or virtually?
[10:07] <oerheks> physically
[10:07] <lordievader> Any plans for the machine?
[10:07] <oerheks> jups, 17.10 KDE
[10:08] <oerheks> I really like a 2nd machine, neighbour had no desktop spare, justan old core 2 dus..
[10:12] <jink> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DT5apgxUMAAuUPM.jpg:large
[11:20] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:22] <jink> :)
[11:22] <marcoscosmos> Hi
[11:23] <jink> What do you guys use to run Ubuntu on Windows 7?
[11:23] <oerheks> windows 7 is EOL, no?
[11:23] <jink> Not my call, company machine, but sure.
[11:24] <jink> At some point, in some future, we'll get upgraded to 10.  But today is not that day.
[11:25] <oerheks> i *would* use vmware
[11:25] <marcoscosmos> In windows 10 there's bash on ubuntu on windows which isn't bad. Dunno about 7
[11:25] <jink> marcoscosmos: Yes, obviously.  See above. :P
[11:26] <marcoscosmos> But basically it's a WM or bust if you want to use more than quick access stuff
[11:27] <jink> For quick access stuff, I use cygwin, but I need Ubuntu for some other things.
[11:27] <jink> oerheks: But?
[11:27] <marcoscosmos> Like, it was easier to use bash-on-windows to run tensorflow-tensorboard than whatever bs I'd need to do naively but that's probably like the upper limit
[11:28] <marcoscosmos> yeah bash-for-windows is probably proximal to cygwin. Bit more reliable, less featured
[11:28] <marcoscosmos> features*
[11:29] <jink> More reliable, how?  I have hardly any issues with cygwin.
[11:29] <marcoscosmos> well, as a student at university in first year the ability to get cygwin running on the university systems was like, 50/50
[11:29] <marcoscosmos> the probability of*
[11:30] <marcoscosmos> it was awful
[11:30] <jink> :D
[11:30] <marcoscosmos> also I think cygwin does some magic to be slightly more windows esque than a proper wm
[11:31] <jink> Yes, it does.
[11:31] <marcoscosmos> But TBH ATM I only use windows if I must
[11:32] <marcoscosmos> Which reminds me I still need to go return my damn laptop ugh
[11:32] <jink> It supports //server/share and such by default.   Also it crashes whenever my task tray dies (i.e. when I reboot my panel to update the config)
[11:44] <marcoscosmos> which, atm, is /a lot/
[11:45] <marcoscosmos> Also I need the mouse to change channels, or just don't know the irc commands well yet
[11:47] <lordievader> marcoscosmos: Riot
[11:47] <lordievader> Only downside is that is it is written in node.js 😭
[11:48] <marcoscosmos> Lol
[11:48] <marcoscosmos> I'll try it
[11:48] <jink> irssi \o/
[11:48] <marcoscosmos> I'm too tired to get weechat working atm
[11:50] <lordievader> marcoscosmos: Do note that Riot is a Matrix client. (Matrix can be bridged into IRC, hence it is my IRC client)
[11:50] <marcoscosmos> ultimately I'll probably opt for an ncurses client but
[11:50] <marcoscosmos> Eh does it require config at this moment, lordievader ?
[11:51] <lordievader> Well you need an account at some homeserver (matrix.org hosts a public homeserver). Then you can follow https://gist.github.com/fstab/ce805d3001600ac147b79d413668770d
[11:53] <marcoscosmos> Ehk tomorrow then. I've literally burnt the last three days trying to configure my system, I'm all out of energy
[11:53] <marcoscosmos> jink can you help me be real lazy and post to me the command for joining freenode in irssi, with all params?
[11:54] <marcoscosmos> Please? :p
[11:54] <oerheks> if you are *real* lazy, you won't copy it
[11:55] <marcoscosmos> well I tried /sconnect irc.freenode.net but, it returns "not connected to server"
[11:55] <marcoscosmos> if I was really lazy, I wouldn't have tried first
[11:56] <BluesKaj>  /server chat.freenode.net , I think
[11:56] <oerheks>  /connect irc.freenode.net without s
[11:56] <marcoscosmos> oerheks, ty
[11:57] <marcoscosmos> now, sec
[11:58] <oerheks> now all hide
[11:58] <lordievader> marcoscosmos: https://irssi.org/documentation/startup/
[11:59] <marcoscosmos> lordievader: ty as well
[11:59] <lordievader> ^ also explains how to do auto connect, etc.
[11:59] <BluesKaj> heh
[11:59] <BluesKaj>  /server doers work
[11:59] <kaj> yup
[12:00] <marcoscosmos> Which key is meta? alt?
[12:00] <marcoscosmos> yes, alt, kgood
[12:02] <kaj> irssi is great for getting out of jams without a desktop
[12:02] <marcoscosmos> yeah that makes a lot of sense
[12:03] <kaj> it's helped me numerous times
[12:03] <marcoscosmos> I'm gradually using more and more console stuff over GUI like. I always preffered bash commands over menus so I like rofi but
[12:03] <marcoscosmos> I'm still not sold on like, vim
[12:04] <marcoscosmos> mainly due to scrolling tbh
[12:04] <kaj> I still prefer the gui since I'm in several chats simultaneously
[12:04] <marcoscosmos> the modes are fine but, I'm still significantly slower with vim because I usually just scroll
[12:05] <marcoscosmos> well yeah but then i have to use my muose to switch chats kaj, I'd rather either uses split windows in an ncurses clients or, open multiple terminals myself, since I'm using a TWM
[12:06] <marcoscosmos> Ah he left -_-
[12:07] <lordievader> Vim is awesome \o/
[12:07] <BluesKaj> marcoscosmos, that was me on irssi
[12:07] <marcoscosmos> Yeah it looks promising but.
[12:07] <marcoscosmos> takes time to adapt
[12:07] <marcoscosmos> currently I like atom
[12:07] <marcoscosmos> use vim a bit
[12:08] <marcoscosmos> BluesKaj: Ah.
[12:08] <marcoscosmos> okay how do I make a right-split in irrsi
[12:08] <marcoscosmos> ?
[12:09] <BluesKaj> or more tabs?
[12:09] <marcoscosmos> I have more tabs, I want to split
[12:09] <lordievader> marcoscosmos: You know you can type multiline sentences on IRC?
[12:10] <marcoscosmos> I'm just gunna open a new window. Sorry, this is my natural typing pattern. My fingers move faster than my thoughts. I'll re-learn to bunch sentances if I'm reminded enough, lordievader
[12:11] <lordievader> 👍
[12:11] <marcoscosmos> I'm not splitting up messages over lines, just, hitting enter as I finish a thought?
[12:12] <BluesKaj> marcoscosmos, I use yakuake , it splits, forget the gtk name for it tho
[12:13] <BluesKaj> ahh yes, guake
[12:13] <marcoscosmos> alright, I'll try it
[12:14] <marcoscosmos> I'll need to remember to uninstall the leftovers in the morning I guess
[12:14] <marcoscosmos> anyway, brb
[12:14] <marcoscosmos> wait, I know this
[12:14] <marcoscosmos> Wait what do mean by it splits?
[12:20] <BluesKaj> splits left right, or top to bottom
[12:21] <marcoscosmos> quake, the terminal?
[12:21] <marcoscosmos> or like, irrsi /in/ quake?
[12:21] <BluesKaj> a right click on the "shell" in the bottom left gives a dialog/context menu with options
[12:22] <marcoscosmos> because I can just just make new windows
[12:22] <marcoscosmos> I use a tiling window manager
[12:22] <BluesKaj> i3 would work I guess
[12:22] <marcoscosmos> BSPWM in my case
[12:23] <marcoscosmos> I should probably give i3 a proper go eventually
[12:23] <BluesKaj> oh forgot you're on windows
[12:23] <marcoscosmos> No?
[12:23] <BluesKaj> ok
[12:23] <marcoscosmos> That was jink IIRC
[12:23] <marcoscosmos> I'm actually on arch-linux xD
[12:25] <BluesKaj> ok, my mistake
[12:25]  * oerheks waiting for i4
[12:35] <BluesKaj> bbiab
[12:40] <marcoscosmos> oerheks: wait is i3 actually a successor to something?
[12:43] <ducasse> i3 is the successor to wmii
[12:52] <pauljw> hi everyone
[12:53] <ducasse> \o pauljw - everything well?
[12:54] <pauljw> hi ducasse, all good here, thx.  you?
[12:54] <marcoscosmos> O drr ducasse
[12:55] <marcoscosmos> ...  If he runs Mint, claims he runs Debian and asks questions in #ubuntu.
[13:18] <pauljw> :)
[13:19] <BluesKaj> oerheks, seems that V7 guy is on his phone atm, according to his "version"
[13:22] <BluesKaj> lordievader,  his nick isn't listed in #debian
[13:23] <lordievader> BluesKaj: I was talking hypothetical 😉
[13:25] <BluesKaj> mayne they kicked him from debian, some of the ops are really pedantic and overly strict
[13:25] <BluesKaj> maybe
[13:26] <oerheks> he is more active in ##linux, with the debian story
[13:26] <BluesKaj> yeah i see him there
[13:27] <oerheks> wait for it...
[13:27] <oerheks> :-D
[13:27] <oerheks> no, it should run @ 800 mhz
[14:51] <EriC^^> !ping
[16:26] <oerheks> yay ...
[16:26] <oerheks> Changes for intel-microcode versions:
[16:26] <oerheks> Installed version: 3.20180108.0~ubuntu17.10.1
[16:26] <oerheks> Available version: 3.20180108.0+really20170707ubuntu17.10.1
[16:28] <hggdh> yes, we are downgrading the microcode
[16:28] <oerheks> but i had no issues, at least i think
[16:29] <hggdh> neither did I. But Intel found more and more processors were prone to error
[16:30] <hggdh> in other words: Although Intel had much more time to fix the issues, they failed
[16:30] <hggdh> (really, as expected, this type of change is not a trivial change)
[16:30] <oerheks> and 4.15 gets a rc9 stage
[16:30] <hggdh> yep :-)
[16:31] <oerheks> oke, i am updated .. now waiting for a laptop with core2duo to be dropped by
[16:31] <oerheks> not sure it is 32 or 64 bit, we'll see
[19:05] <Bashing-om> nacc: IRT Docfxit forum post https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2383068&p=13733033#post13733033 refers .  Gentle hands :)
[19:06] <nacc> Bashing-om: ah
[19:09] <tomreyn> hi
[19:10] <tomreyn> do you agree that packages.ubuntu.com is stale? the https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/linux-image-generic package is apparently on version <IP_ADDRESS>.114 since january 10 when https://usn.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-3522-3/ was released
[19:11] <nacc> tomreyn: that is the version in -security and -updates
[19:11] <nacc> tomreyn: what do you think is stale?
[19:12] <tomreyn> nacc: the version info provided on the website
[19:12] <tomreyn> on packages.ubuntu.com
[19:12] <nacc> i'm looking atit
[19:12] <nacc> it's correct?
[19:12] <nacc> tomreyn: what *specifically* do you think is wrong?
[19:12] <tomreyn> for me https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/linux-image-generic says the latest pakage version is <IP_ADDRESS>.109
[19:13] <nacc> tomreyn: oh! i totally misread the number :)
[19:13] <nacc> yeah that's weird
[19:13] <tomreyn> took me a while to realise it, too
[19:14] <tomreyn> thanks for confirming
[19:14] <nacc> i *think* you can file bugs on it
[19:14] <nacc> (p.u.c. itself)
[19:14] <tomreyn> alejdg is already looking into it in #canonical-sysadmin thankfully
[19:14] <nacc> ah nice
[19:14] <nacc> i'd assume it's a buggy cronjob
[19:15]  * tomreyn suspects another mechanism broken during meltdown patching
[19:15] <tomreyn> so many things to monitor ;)
[19:16] <nacc> i know a lot of infra was disabled for a while, so i'd imagine that, yeah
[19:16] <nacc> and it's possible this  might be an untested path :)
[19:16] <tomreyn> it gets out of date regularly
[19:17] <tomreyn> but not more than a day or two usually, i think
[19:17] <nacc> right
[22:23] <oerheks> https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=does+tux+have+babies
[22:25] <Bashing-om> oerheks: Look'n - I can use a smile about now :)
[22:25] <oerheks> nope :-(
[22:29] <Bashing-om> oerheks: babies ... Garunteeed to put a smile on the face :)
[22:29] <daftykins> not for me ;)
[22:30] <Bashing-om> daftykins: Must be running scared ...lol
[23:05] <JanC> hm, I didn't know this before, but apparently Bednet is based on Ubuntu
[23:05] <JanC> https://bednet.be/bednet-english


[00:12] <asac> slangasek: nothing for weekend. will send a mail about a few topics that we should untangle around this incident tomorrow/monday. cu tuesday!
[02:09] <imgbot> [03:09] <imgbot> [03:59] <imgbot> [03:59] <imgbot> [04:19] <imgbot> [04:19] <imgbot> [16:12] <ricmm> probably no one around here, right?
[16:24] <robru> ricmm: I'm half here for a minute if you just need something easy
[16:30] <ricmm> needed a silo, might not be easy
[16:30] <ricmm> robru: :)
[16:30] <ricmm> line 82
[16:35] <robru> ricmm: OK you got rtm 17, happy Thanksgiving!
[16:39] <ricmm> robru: thanks!, right, happy canadian thanksgiving
[16:40] <robru> ;-)


[12:31] <robsta> rsc is not here frequently, is he?
[12:59] <kwwii> robsta: he is around from time to time, yes...just know that he lives in singapore os is in a totally different time zone
[13:02] <robsta> kwwii: well, i was just trying to answer a comment of his on dborg's recent blog post
[13:02] <robsta> anyway
[13:20] <kwwii> robsta: if I see him I'll mention you asked about him
[13:21] <robsta> kwwii: thanks, mail should do
[13:25] <robsta> kwwii: btw, forgot to point out that you can already to themes with the css engine, and they will continue to work, just you need to know the gtk drawing primitives because the sub-widget roles are not implemented yet
[13:26] <kwwii> robsta: right, trying to avoid all that work :p
[13:27] <robsta> good plan :)
[17:39] <thorwil> _MMA_: sebastion is at it again: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Submissions
[17:42] <Picklesworth> Neaters!
[17:56] <_MMA_> thorwil: Cool. I'll attend to it when I get home.
[17:56]  * _MMA_ is at work.
[18:08] <theterl> hello kenneth... I've returned to test your latest release..
[18:09] <theterl> it's looking good.
[18:09] <theterl> I however would not be here if I did not have a problem.
[18:09] <theterl> I am also annoying people in #ubuntu, #ubuntu-dev, #nvidia, #xorg right now.
[18:11] <theterl> I have just ONE slight TIDDLYWINK problem atm and I need some rich artistic bastard in here who owns ALL the possible hardware to get up and tell me how to lock my system so 3d full-screen games and programs don't exceed my monitor's refresh rate.
[18:12] <theterl> you know only too well that I am a troll.
[18:12] <theterl> *bellows from below the bridge*
[18:12] <theterl> ERROR ERROR ERROR INPUT SIGNAL OUT OF RANGE


[08:59] <tomwardill> zope configs are hard and weird
[09:12] <cjwatson> What's up?
[09:13] <tomwardill> trying to work out if you can inherit zope.conf
[09:13] <tomwardill> doesn't look like you can, so might need to do a bit of shuffling.
[09:14] <tomwardill> But also trying to work out if I need the settings that I'm trying to create (the <server> ones) at all
[09:16] <cjwatson> Oh, those things, right
[09:27] <cjwatson> https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad-buildd/+git/launchpad-buildd/+merge/383320 (Ensure that regex patterns with \-escapes are raw strings)
[09:38] <ilasc> cjwatson: MP 383320 looks good to me at first glance, I'm tempted to clone and run unit tests, would u recommend, or would that turn into a time sync ?
[09:41] <ilasc> *sink
[09:49] <cjwatson> Feel free
[09:49] <cjwatson> Though it's not very necessary since Jenkins will do that on merge
[14:01] <cjwatson> https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad-buildd/+git/launchpad-buildd/+merge/383341 (Adjust X-LXD-mode header construction for Python 3)
[14:05] <cjwatson> Also I have a couple of backlogged code-gardening MPs that it would be good if people could look at: https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/+git/launchpad/+merge/382875 and https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/+git/launchpad/+merge/383046
[14:05] <pappacena> I'll take a look
[14:14] <cjwatson> (The latter has a very bulky follow-up MP, but I was planning to self-approve that if/when the prereq lands since it doesn't make sense to have people spend time on >4000 lines of more or less mechanical changes)
[14:14] <tomwardill> woo, this version works without having zope.app.server installed at all. Although tracelog then stops working, so we might need to have a replacement for that
[14:19] <cjwatson> tracelog is occasionally handy though I don't know how vital it is.  If I had to trade tracelog for statsd (or similar) I'd certainly take statsd
[14:20] <tomwardill> might be possible to reintroduce it, atm the easiest way to smoke test stuff that's relying on ZServer functionality is to just uninstall it, but it's a dep for tracelog
[14:20] <cjwatson> Maybe.  We don't necessarily have to emulate everything
[14:20] <tomwardill> so tracelog stops working at the same time
[14:21] <cjwatson> It's also probably a pretty simple piece of middleware
[14:22] <cjwatson> The page performance report in lp:lp-dev-utils does use the trace files
[14:25] <cjwatson> (which is visible at the bottom of http://lpqateam.canonical.com/)
[14:25] <tomwardill> yeah, I think it's safe to re-enable it eventually
[14:25] <tomwardill> well, less 'eventually' more, almost immeadiately, once I've fixed servers.py to stop importing and using zserver components
[14:25] <SpecialK|Canon> er
[14:26] <cjwatson> Right, possibly just reimplemented as simple middleware
[14:26] <SpecialK|Canon> I don't think I knew that site existed - how might I have discovered that site, because it's neat
[14:26] <cjwatson> Good question, not sure.  I knew because the deployment report used to be there
[14:28] <SpecialK|Canon> How/where is this site generated/hosted/etc.?
[14:28] <cjwatson> I'd search wikis but my ISP is having a wobbly day
[14:28] <cjwatson> It's on carob, old-school ~lpqateam/public_html
[14:28] <SpecialK|Canon> Fab, thanks
[14:29] <cjwatson> Some is hand-rolled HTML, some is generated from bits of lp-dev-utils and similar, I think it's very much symbiosisware
[14:29] <cjwatson> But handy
[14:29] <SpecialK|Canon> Hm, not sure it's just you - I couldn't reach wiki.c.c!
[14:30] <cjwatson> It may well not be just me, I just knew of https://aastatus.net/34840 and there wasn't much point investigating further when DNS was timing out
[14:31] <SpecialK|Canon> Ah
[14:31] <SpecialK|Canon> ISP-buddy-five o/
[14:32]  * SpecialK|Canon prods bits
[15:16] <cjwatson> https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad-buildd/+git/launchpad-buildd/+merge/383344 (Treat build logs as binary files)
[15:27] <tomwardill> cjwatson: +1
[15:28] <cjwatson> Thanks.  Getting there!
[15:29] <cjwatson> About 500 lines of actual porting left and then some packaging stuff on top
[15:30] <SpecialK|Canon> Nice
[15:37] <cjwatson> pappacena: Your most recent comment on https://code.launchpad.net/~pappacena/launchpad/+git/launchpad/+merge/382779 mentions "with comments", but I don't see them - did you forget to save them?
[15:39] <pappacena> uhm. I think there was only one comment, about the `if exact_match: return`, in the previously pushed revision.
[15:40] <cjwatson> Right, I was wondering about whether just removing the 'return rs.one()' was quite correct
[15:40] <pappacena> This is the comment: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/zoiCdnDe/
[15:40] <cjwatson> But just trying to think through it ...
[15:41] <pappacena> Strange... the diff comments were actually not saved when I added the other comment. I just saved it now
[15:41] <cjwatson> And yes, I think you're right
[15:44] <cjwatson> r=me, just one test suggestion but go ahead after that
[15:44] <pappacena> Ah, right! Indeed, a good suggestion. I'll do that, and land the MP
[15:50] <tomwardill> well, that was a bunch of test explosions...
[16:00] <cjwatson> https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad-buildd/+git/launchpad-buildd/+merge/383345 (Treat build output files as binary files)
[16:09]  * pappacena reviewing
[16:21] <cjwatson> https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad-buildd/+git/launchpad-buildd/+merge/383349 (Treat intltool-related files as binary files)
[16:23] <tomwardill> Total: 47 tests, 0 failures, 2 errors, 0 skipped in 3.310 seconds. (from test_servers)
[16:23] <tomwardill> that... went better than I expected
[16:44] <cjwatson> pappacena: Couple of tiny things on https://code.launchpad.net/~pappacena/turnip/+git/turnip/+merge/380451 (we should really get going on isort or equivalent ...) but otherwise good to land
[16:53]  * tomwardill launches a full test run
[16:54] <cjwatson> How long do they take for you?
[16:58] <tomwardill> not sure, not measured one for a while
[16:58] <tomwardill> although it just segfaulted...
[16:58] <tomwardill> (test:760044): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_settings_get_for_screen: assertion 'GDK_IS_SCREEN (scree
[16:58] <tomwardill> n)' failed
[17:02] <tomwardill> ah, forgot to run xvfb
[18:31] <pappacena> cjwatson, any known issue on Jenkins / Turnip test suite? Jenkins is failing some tests running git commands, and I cannot reproduce it locally.
[19:28] <cjwatson> pappacena: I don't recognise that one, and it's in code you changed, so hmm
[19:31] <cjwatson> pappacena: Ah, I see, look for the "Please tell me who you are" errors.  The test container doesn't have a git identity configured
[19:31] <pappacena> Yes, it is. I'll try to debug it. Sad that those tests passes locally (both on python2 and python3)
[19:31] <pappacena> ahhm
[19:32] <pappacena> Strange that it started failing now...
[19:32] <cjwatson> pappacena: Because your change switches to using git tag rather than pygit2 to create the tag
[19:33] <cjwatson> So rules for the git command line apply
[19:34] <pappacena> Ah, yes! Right! I forgot about this change
[19:37] <cjwatson> pappacena: I think perhaps it'd be simplest to have RepoFactory.add_tag add '-c', 'author.name={}'.format(self.author.name), '-c', 'author.email={}'.format(self.author.email), '-c', 'committer.name={}'.format(self.committer.name), '-c', 'committer.email={}'.format(self.committer.email)
[19:37] <cjwatson> Since it's just that one command at the moment, and could be generalised later if we start using the git command line for more things in the test suite
[19:38] <pappacena> I was checking the code, and got to the same conclusion. I'll just put those extra parameters in another method, to make it reusable when needed...
[19:38] <cjwatson> Sounds good, thanks
[19:39] <pappacena> Thanks for the help!
[19:39] <cjwatson> It's a shame that the test runner there doesn't gather the stdout/stderr with the ERROR: output
[19:40] <cjwatson> Since then it would've been a lot more obvious
[19:40] <cjwatson> I suppose that's what we get for just using unittest discover though
[19:40] <pappacena> Let me see if I can do something about it too.
[19:41] <cjwatson> Don't feel obliged, but it would be a good opportunity :)
[20:22] <pappacena> cjwatson: quick review (for tomorrow?) https://code.launchpad.net/~pappacena/turnip/+git/turnip/+merge/380451
[20:22] <pappacena> Added some logging when the command fails...
[20:26] <cjwatson> pappacena: Looks OK if it works, go ahead.  (Though I normally prefer self.addDetail for this sort of thing - compare turnip.pack.tests.test_functional)


[18:47] <apt-ghetto> Hi, can I ask here for a IRC cloak? I am indirectly a Ubuntu member.
[18:52] <housecat> apt-ghetto: can you link to your Launchpad profile please?
[18:52] <apt-ghetto> housecat: https://launchpad.net/~apt-ghetto
[18:53] <housecat> apt-ghetto: thanks. one sec, will go get a cloak added for you
[18:56] <housecat> apt-ghetto: done :)
[18:56] <apt-ghetto> thank you very much, housecat


[06:00] !alindeman:*! Hi all!  One of our sponsors needs to do maintenance on their infrastructure to correct various security advisories.  The maintenance will only take a few minutes and will happen sometime during 12:00-14:00 GMT today.  It will shunt approximately 4000 users and split the net temporarily.  Sorry for any inconvenience caused, and thanks for using freenode.
[06:02] !alindeman:*! If you have any specific questions, feel free to contact an on-duty staffer in /statsp
[06:02] !alindeman:*! /stats p (correction)


[08:07] <ion> Ah, i was just misdiagnosing. su was the culprit: it sent SIGKILL too soon after SIGTERM. Works with sudo.
[22:46] <broder> if i have a task that's "start on starting something-else", something-else shouldn't actually be started until my task completes, right?


[00:00] <fructose> Why doesn't Ctrl+Shift+C actually copy text in Konsole?
[00:20] <Dragnslcr> fructose- check the shortcuts settings to see if it's been changed?
[00:22] <fructose> Dragnslcr: It shows Ctrl+Shift+C as the shortcut both when I right-click and when I open Configure Shortcuts
[00:22] <fructose> Dragnslcr: Right-click and selecting Copy works, but Ctrl+Shift+C does not
[00:23] <Dragnslcr> Weird
[00:23] <Dragnslcr> I've had problems with copy/paste in a couple different programs sometimes, but I could never work out a reliable way to reproduce it
[00:25] <fructose> I've been getting tons of bugs for some reason, so I think I'll try adding a PPA with Plasma updates and see what happens
[00:33] <FelixErnst-M> That's not a bug. Ctrl+C is the shortcut to cancel the current procedure in Konsole. Afaik that is true for every console application. I think it has been Ctrl+C for a long time. That is why Ctrl+Shift+C does copy in consoles.
[00:37] <fructose> FelixErnst-M: Ctrl+Shift+C is all I've been talking about
[01:11] <FelixErnst-M> yes I noticed. I since deleted my comment but somehow everyone can still read it? weird
[01:12] <FelixErnst-M> I'll have to be more careful with commenting then :(
[01:15] <fructose> FelixErnst-M: No biggie
[01:15] <FelixErnst-M> is it still there for you? the message?
[01:15] <FelixErnst-M> nothing changed? I can't read it anymore
[01:16] <FelixErnst-M> I just want to confirm the "remove" feature is actually just to hide things from my own view fructose
[01:19] <mparillo> Are you on the Matrix gateway? Maybe it can be deleted there, but not from IRC?
[01:21] <fructose> FelixErnst-M: Everything looks the same to me. I think it'd be up to IRC clients to allow removal of messages. And if there's even an option to do that, I'm unaware of it.
[01:21] <Unit193> There isn't.
[01:21] <fructose> FelixErnst-M: It'd be a bit like sending a group e-mail and then deleting it from everyone's inbox
[03:41] <Elliria> Hey there, does anybody in here happen to know a command line way to get your netmask?
[06:01] <z__> привет
[06:01] <z__> чё интересного
[07:26] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:45] <FelixErnst-M> @mparillo that's probably it. I am on Matrix yes.
[08:53] <lordievader> <mparillo "Are you on the Matrix gateway? M"> FelixErnst-M: What mparillo says is correct. Matrix supports redaction of messages, IRC does not. So the bridge discards these events as they have no effect.
[08:54] <FelixErnst-M> okay good to know. I'll be more careful then. 😇
 How do you change wallpapers in 5.16? Images no longer appear in the right click - configure desktop - wallpapers section.
 @Anarchotaoist, It works here in both 19.04 and 19.10 with 5.16
 (Photo, 1082x767) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/ltJ6rgwB/file_15850.jpg
 Hmm? Maybe I'll try a reboot.
 @acheronuk, ok - working after reboot!
 :)
[13:51] <Alabalistic> Hi my CPU_IOWAIT jumps quite often in Kubuntu 19.04 Laptop with Pasive Cooling, mostly over 62 Celsius
[13:52] <Alabalistic> I stuck a usb fan and around 54 degrease Celsius, Glances show no CPU_IOWAIT
[13:52] <Alabalistic> Do anyone have problems like this
[13:53] <Alabalistic> My Main Hdd is with 300 bad Sectors and now I'm in SSD swaping process
[14:28] <lordievader> Well, an hdd with 300 bad sectors doesn't help for io wait.
[17:39] <linux_> sera ...non sento piu l'audio ovvero lo sento solo per qualche attimo poi piu nulla fino al riavvio ...poi sempre uguale come potrei risolvere? uso kubuntu 18.04.2
[20:48] <rodrigot44> does anybody here know how to open gedit amin:// on kubuntu 19.04?


[12:03] <hno73> heh
[12:03] <hno73> Launchpad can send you a new one
[12:04] <mhz_ed> am i being redirected or something? it is taking loooong to show me the theme
[12:04] <hno73> hm, works ok here. It's probably not in the cache though
[12:05] <mhz_ed> hmmmm, nothing diff
[12:05] <hno73> go to user prefs and select the edubuntu skin
[12:05] <mhz_ed> are you sure you placed the .py under /MoinMoin/themes ?
[12:05] <mhz_ed> ahhh, edubuntu
[12:05] <hno73> yeah, works for me ...
[12:06] <hno73> it's on the ubuntu wiki not edubuntu
[12:06] <mhz_ed> I ahd chosen ubuntu-test :)
[12:06] <hno73> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/
[12:06] <hno73> ok
[12:07] <mhz_ed> wow! looks nice..
[12:07] <mhz_ed> very nice!
[12:07] <mhz_ed> very very nice!
[12:07] <hno73> thanks. highvoltage did the first design work
[12:08] <mhz_ed> 1st thing: MoreActions still show same color for both permitted and non-permitted actions, is that intentional?
[12:08] <hno73> are there any non-permitted actions?
[12:09] <hno73> I think anyone can do anything in this wiki :)
[12:09] <mhz_ed> Rename and Delete ?
[12:10] <hno73> yepp, even that :)
[12:10] <mhz_ed> I can't access to those options but still see them as normal
[12:10] <hno73> hm, ok. I'll look at that
[12:10] <mhz_ed> very cool RC!
[12:11] <hno73> Yeah, I already like it better than the normal ubuntu skin
[12:11] <hno73> the tan gets a bit boring after a while
[12:12] <hno73> there is still a bit of brown here and there ...
[12:12] <mhz_ed> yes
[12:12] <mhz_ed> good icons!
[12:12] <hno73> Like table headings https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaDigitalCameras
[12:12] <hno73> gartoon
[12:12] <hno73> like thedesktop
[12:13] <mhz_ed> aren't /datas merged yet?
[12:13] <hno73> no, not yet
[12:13] <hno73> but that's easy
[12:13] <mhz_ed> hmmm why not?
[12:13] <hno73> the edubuntu wiki is small
[12:14] <hno73> good question really :)
[12:14] <hno73> we'll do it in the next few days
[12:14] <mhz_ed> ok
[12:14] <mhz_ed> hmm, 2nd thing: looooong names get out of proportions
[12:14] <mhz_ed> but it seems to be a Moin problem
[12:14] <hno73> then we have to do that skin URL forwarding trick
[12:15] <hno73> out of proportions?
[12:15] <mhz_ed> or that. yes
[12:15] <mhz_ed> yes, it oversizes the width of the header
[12:16] <hno73> oh, yeah
[12:16] <mhz_ed> Maybe you could try giving options of "repeating" background
[12:16] <mhz_ed> or, play some "degrade" (difumination?) of color
[12:16] <mhz_ed> tricks
[12:17] <hno73> on the header?
[12:17] <mhz_ed> yep
[12:17] <hno73> or just make heading a bit smaller
[12:17] <hno73> smaller font
[12:17] <mhz_ed> I had the exact issue on all my firts 3 themes
[12:18] <mhz_ed> well, that too, but it won't solve the issue, actually. ICanStillThinkOf VeryLargeTitleAsHeadingFroYOurWikiSiteOrPage
[12:18] <mhz_ed> :)
[12:18] <mhz_ed> and then .. it will still be oversizeing
[12:18] <hno73> true
[12:19] <hno73> but then it's your own fault :)
[12:19] <mhz_ed> LOL
[12:19] <mhz_ed> true
[12:20] <mhz_ed> so far, very cool look&feel
[12:20] <mhz_ed> it reminds me of SchoolBell red color
[12:20] <hno73> Cool.
[12:20] <mhz_ed> when is this supposed ot be out
[12:20] <mhz_ed> ?
[12:21] <hno73> I'll probably have to redo the ubuntu skin now
[12:21] <hno73> Tuesday perhaps? :)
[12:21] <mhz_ed> wow, very soon
[12:21] <mhz_ed> 3rd thing: maybe nothing BUt still have to mention it.
[12:21] <hno73> yeah, before the launch of edubuntu
[12:21] <mhz_ed> what's you monitor size?
[12:21] <hno73> or on the same day
[12:22] <hno73> 1280x1024
[12:23] <mhz_ed> mine is 15" at 1024*something, and using a little more than 3/4 of it, The orange search area overlaps the Moreactions menu, just a little enough to cover the drop down area.
[12:24] <mhz_ed> That is not an issue, but, when i want to click on the down arrow, I do but it does not respond
[12:24] <hno73> yeah, I think I'll remove Show Changes and leave just Get Info for that purpose
[12:24] <mhz_ed> so I am forced to click on the MoreActions word. then it responds
[12:25] <hno73> yepp, known problem
[12:25] <hno73> I can also trim the orange image a bit
[12:26] <mhz_ed> maybe placing the options a little more to the right will reduce the size of the orange thing.
[12:26] <mhz_ed> BTW, what do you call that orange area?
[12:26] <mhz_ed> :)
[12:27] <hno73> dunno :)
[12:27] <hno73> I could shrink the search box a bit (how?, what file is that in?)
[12:29] <hno73> mhz_ed: thanks for your help. I've got to go
[12:29] <hno73> I'll be back tomorrow
[12:29] <mhz_ed> okidoki
[12:29] <mhz_ed> please
[12:30] <mhz_ed> have nice day
[12:30] <hno73> I'm off to sleep!
[12:30] <hno73> you have a nice day :)
[01:41] <mhz_ed> hey!!!!!
[01:41] <mhz_ed> I managed to NetBoot from a Edubuntu box!!!
[01:42] <mhz_ed> I just added a couple of lines to the /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
[01:42] <mhz_ed> untar netboot.gz (got it from web)
[01:42] <mhz_ed> restart dhcp
[01:43] <mhz_ed> place netboot extracted onto /var/lib/tftpboot/
[01:43] <mhz_ed> VERY SIMPLE and effective
[01:43] <mhz_ed> Any one living here today?
[05:05] <mhz_ed> ogra, ping
[05:08] <mhz_ed> anyone around?
[05:09] <mhz_ed> arkan0x, hey
[05:09] <arkan0x> mhz_ed, hi
[05:10] <arkan0x> mhz_ed, pv
[05:10] <mhz_ed> pv?
[05:10] <arkan0x> mhz , mauricio hernandez !
[05:10] <arkan0x> X
[08:25] <mhz_edu> anybody here?
[08:25] <mhz_edu> ogra, ping?
[08:30] <Yagisan> mhz_edu: I'm here
[08:31] <mhz_edu> Yagisan, cool
[08:32] <mhz_edu> Yagisan, sensei, I have finally installed edubuntu and also managed to netboot thin laptop in order to install linux from server
[08:32] <mhz_edu> BUT
[08:32] <mhz_edu> the laptop boots fine, it asks for keyboard, langiage,etc
[08:33] <mhz_edu> language, sorry
[08:33] <Yagisan> mhz_edu: I'm not a teacher :)
[08:33] <Yagisan> go on
[08:33] <mhz_edu> when it asks to choose a mirror, I just can't get the web
[08:34] <mhz_edu> I am using a crossover to connect edubuntu with the laptop
[08:34] <mhz_edu> and edubuntu can get to the web with no problem, via my eth0
[08:34] <mhz_edu> my eth1 is for local machines
[08:34] <Yagisan> but the laptop can't connect right
[08:35] <mhz_edu> Dhcp is provinding ip via eth1, BTW.
[08:35] <mhz_edu> right
[08:35] <mhz_edu> I did a nat
[08:35] <mhz_edu> so my guess is Nat is not working propoerly or the crossover is not for web?
[08:36] <Yagisan> ok - it looks like it (edubuntu) is not forwarding the packets
[08:36] <mhz_edu> yes
[08:36] <Yagisan> crossovers don't matter
[08:36] <mhz_edu> how can I check that?
[08:36] <mhz_edu> cool
[08:36] <Yagisan> whats the ip for eth0 and eth1 ?
[08:37] <mhz_edu> eth0 -> <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:37] <mhz_edu> eth1 -> <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:37] <Yagisan> ok
[08:38] <mhz_edu> Yagisan, I also have a Dlink router that I was using, without dhcp,  to provide web to local machines via eth1. Since I installed edubuntu, I had to use the crossover because machines did not get ips from dhcp
[08:38] <Yagisan> when you set up the nat how did you do it ?
[08:39] <mhz_edu> iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE
[08:39] <mhz_edu> echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[08:40] <Yagisan> that looks right to me so far
[08:40] <Yagisan> did you modprobe iptable_nat ?
[08:40] <Yagisan> to load the nat module for iptables ?
[08:41] <mhz_edu> another detail is that my /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf has <IP_ADDRESS> for both router and domain-name-server
[08:41] <mhz_edu> hmmm, nop
[08:42] <mhz_edu> now, I just did
[08:42] <Yagisan> mhz_edu: is <IP_ADDRESS> a dns server ? (I changed that to my isp dns servers)
[08:42] <mhz_edu> nop
[08:42] <mhz_edu> good point
[08:42] <Yagisan> if it's not - then the clients are probally timing out on dns
[08:43] <Yagisan> does http://<IP_ADDRESS> work ?
[08:46] <Yagisan> mhz_edu: working ?
[08:47] <mhz_edu> Yagisan, sorry, I had to get to the toilette :)
[08:47] <mhz_edu> .oO(almost 03:00 AM here)
[08:48] <mhz_edu> taht ip is google's
[08:48] <mhz_edu> that ip is google's
[08:50] <Yagisan> mhz_edu: I know - I just pinged my home page
[08:50] <mhz_edu> hehehe
[08:50] <mhz_edu> it is working!
[08:50] <Yagisan> if it works like that - but not as http://www.google.com you have a dns problem
[08:50] <mhz_edu> ok, here's the problem
[08:51] <mhz_edu> NAT must be off when you boot the laptop and wait for ip, and all.
[08:52] <mhz_edu> after booting and entering the installation procedure, you can activate NAT in the server
[08:52] <mhz_edu> but then , in the laptop, you must go back to network autoconfig
[08:52] <mhz_edu> I was not doing that
[08:52] <mhz_edu> neither was I modprobing
[08:53] <mhz_edu> thx for that
[08:53] <Yagisan> hmm - should work with NAT on
[08:53] <Yagisan> your welcome
[08:53] <mhz_edu> Yagisan, now I am happy I finally contribute to Edubuntu docs with my 2 cents about this howto :D
[08:53] <mhz_edu> Yagisan, probably yes
[08:54] <mhz_edu> but again, I just couldn't use edubuntu dhcp server via my Dlink to the laptop
[08:54] <Yagisan> mhz_edu: good spot about my name - the dlink is a bit odd
[08:55] <mhz_edu> so there must be something else missing on this issue. Something I am not seeing
[08:55] <Yagisan> this is the same dlink you talked about yesterday with ogra ?
[08:55] <mhz_edu> Yagisan, sorry for my english so bad. I did not quite get the "good spot"
[08:56] <mhz_edu> yesp
[08:56] <mhz_edu> same thing
[08:56] <Yagisan> you noticed my name is Japanese
[08:56] <mhz_edu> so you can imagine how long I've been sitting fighting here
[08:56] <mhz_edu> yes
[08:56] <mhz_edu> oh, that
[08:56] <mhz_edu> :)
[08:57] <mhz_edu> my butt is asking for forgiveness and promises to be kind to me now
[08:57] <mhz_edu> :D
[08:57] <Yagisan> :)
[08:57] <mhz_edu> and my legs can't walk well
[08:58] <Yagisan> perhaps after you get some rest - you get some inspiration as to why the dlink won't work
[08:58] <Yagisan> is it a router or a switch ?
[08:58] <mhz_edu> and my wife is mad because I have spent at least 80 hours on this, the last 5 days
[08:58] <mhz_edu> it reads: Ethernet Broadband Router
[08:58] <Yagisan> I just told my wife it was work related
[08:58] <mhz_edu> LOL
[08:59] <mhz_edu> actually it is
[08:59] <Yagisan> (and gave her a pc)
[08:59] <mhz_edu> 'coz this is the only laptop (the one I am now installing) I have for my Edubuntu presentations
[08:59] <Yagisan> was the dlink used for ADSL ?
[08:59] <mhz_edu> was?
[09:00] <Yagisan> did you used to use / still use the dlink for an adsl connection
[09:00] <Yagisan> ?
[09:00] <mhz_edu> I have my ISP Modem (cable) connected to eth0. Eth1 is connected to the Dlink. The laptops  connect to Dlink to get internet access
[09:00] <mhz_edu> (at least that was the layout)
[09:01] <Yagisan> OK - just trying to workout how the device worked
[09:01] <Yagisan> did the dlink do nat ? or dhcp ?
[09:02] <mhz_edu> .oO(I just can't express how "deliciously pleasant" it is to format this HD in this Fujitsu thin laptop)
[09:02] <mhz_edu> no idea. I passed Iptalbes commands (the one I showed)
[09:03] <mhz_edu> Yagisan, I had no laptops until I understood I did not need so much of a desktop power, so started buying 2nd hand or refurbished laptops.
[09:03] <mhz_edu> Yagisan, how old's you baby?
[09:04] <mhz_edu> this Fujitsu is 500 Mhz celeron, 256 MB ram, and 20 GB HD
[09:04] <Yagisan> one is 20 months the next one is due November 20
[09:04] <mhz_edu> and 10.4 inches :D
[09:04] <mhz_edu> Yagisan, so you've been busy
[09:04] <mhz_edu> :D
[09:04] <mhz_edu> congrats!
[09:04] <mhz_edu> mine is 4 and the other is 10
[09:05] <Yagisan> :'( not anymore - my wife is threatening in to chop it off !
[09:05] <mhz_edu> ooooops
[09:05] <mhz_edu> well, look at the good side of it.
[09:05] <mhz_edu> you'll be able to afford a laptop in a near future :D
[09:06] <Yagisan> boys or girls ? I have one girl - and I think the next one is a boy
[09:06] <Yagisan> Is this your dlink ? http://www.dlink.com/products/?pid=62
[09:07] <mhz_edu> Yagisan, boy = 10 and girl =4.  Boy lives with my ex-wife, thou
[09:07] <Yagisan> hope you can see him (sometimes ex's make it hard)
[09:07] <mhz_edu> Yagisan, UNBELIEVABLE! yes, that's my router :D
[09:08] <mhz_edu> not sometimes
[09:08] <mhz_edu> Always!
[09:08] <mhz_edu> but as long as you pay constantly.. they get a little -only a little, remember they are ex- smoother
[09:09] <mhz_edu> well, a little more than a regular newbie
[09:09] <mhz_edu> just a freedom of access and technology fanatic
[09:09] <Yagisan> ok - you will have lots of trouble with the dlink :(
[09:10] <mhz_edu> boooh
[09:10] <mhz_edu> at least you may save me 80 more hours trying to make it work
[09:10] <Yagisan> it's not a regular router/switch - more like a custom nat box
[09:10] <mhz_edu> that sounded japaneese to me
[09:11] <Yagisan> a cheap 100MBps switch (about $20au) should do the job for you
[09:11] <Yagisan> Inet -> cablemodem -> edubuntu -> switch -> pc's
[09:11] <mhz_edu> hmmm, about U$30?
[09:12] <Yagisan> more like US$15
[09:12] <Yagisan> they shouldn't be too expensive
[09:12] <mhz_edu> cool
[09:13] <Yagisan> my switch http://www.auspcmarket.com.au/show_product_info.php?input[product_code] =NE-MS4008B&input[category_id] =1114
[09:13] <Yagisan> cheap, chinese, and within walking distance :)
[09:14] <mhz_edu> lol
[09:15] <Yagisan> You'll like the next version of edubuntu
[09:15] <mhz_edu> why?
[09:15] <mhz_edu> it includes TFTP booting?
[09:15] <Yagisan> I've contributed patches that let you have multiple client architectures on your server
[09:16] <Yagisan> so you can eg have i386 clients on an amd64 server
[09:16] <mhz_edu> wow! that's perfect for educational envs.
[09:16] <Yagisan> you need TFTP booting ?
[09:16] <mhz_edu> ppc, too?
[09:16] <Yagisan> working on ppc - that's a bit harder
[09:16] <Yagisan> I need qemu to work for that
[09:17] <Yagisan> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17297
[09:17] <mhz_edu> Yagisan, well, in any educational environment, in Chile, boxes come and go. Teachers may have boxes at home, so may students.
[09:17] <mhz_edu> Therefore, giving the chance to install onto their pcs is cool
[09:17] <Yagisan> initial work /|\
[09:18] <Yagisan> I use rom-o-matic to build etherboot images with pxe emulation
[09:18] <mhz_edu> so, having Edubuntu at schools (LTSP) and similar boxes at home, is good. Now even better idea if from the same server you install linux
[09:19] <mhz_edu> i've heard about rom-o-matic
[09:19] <mhz_edu> but what if, in my case, I had this thin box, with no chance to boot from Cd nor Floppy
[09:20] <mhz_edu> I am currently volunteering for a prohject called RecicLab
[09:20] <Yagisan> none of my netcards have boot roms - so I went to rom-o-matic made zlilo images and put it on a hard disk in the clients
[09:20] <mhz_edu> here, we provide a computer to a young man on the conditin that he'll learn how to put together all the pieces and also install linux on it
[09:21] <Yagisan> edited grub to make netbooting default :)
[09:21] <Yagisan> cool
[09:21] <mhz_edu> wow! can you use Grub to boot an installation process from HD?
[09:21] <Yagisan> women too ?
[09:21] <mhz_edu> yes
[09:22] <Yagisan> I cheat - I do the most striped down server install on the hdd
[09:22] <mhz_edu> and these people MUST come accompained by a relative or grownup responsible for him, so tehy both must come to the 7 days sessions
[09:22] <mhz_edu> otherwise, they do not get the pc home
[09:22] <mhz_edu> :)
[09:22] <Yagisan> then I get grub to load rom-o-matic image to load kernel over the network
[09:22] <mhz_edu> not cheat, u're wise
[09:23] <mhz_edu> but how d'u do it when the pc has windows?
[09:23] <mhz_edu> and is a thin client.
[09:23] <Yagisan> .oO( glad it fit on a 257MB hard disk)
[09:24] <mhz_edu> I once installed linux from windows using a tool called Grub4NT
[09:24] <Yagisan> I remove windows - I have Ubuntu hoary cd's for each supported arch
[09:24] <Yagisan> and I keep a CDROM drive that I install just to put ubuntu on - then I take my CDROM out
[09:25] <mhz_edu> you mean, you install linux from windows onto thin clients and using a CDROM??
[09:25] <mhz_edu> (external?)
[09:26] <Yagisan> no - I pull case off - stick in cdrom - install linux (wipeing out windows)
[09:27] <Yagisan> I then copy rom-o-matic image to hard disk
[09:27] <Yagisan> edit grub, and have the system boot up
[09:27] <mhz_edu> ok
[09:27] <Yagisan> It then runs everything off the edubuntu/ltsp server
[09:28] <Yagisan> my office
[09:28] <mhz_edu> have you wikied that way?
[09:28] <Yagisan> (amd64)----->switch---(i386 box1, i386 box2, etc)
[09:28] <Yagisan> no - I haven't wikied it
[09:29] <mhz_edu> could you?
[09:29] <Yagisan> I will shortly (within a few days) - I need to clearly document it
[09:31] <mhz_edu> Yagisan, if I gave static ips to clients, would the dlink work friendly with dhcp server?
[09:31] <Yagisan> the dlink is doing some nating
[09:32] <Yagisan> it looks like it is dropping the broadcasts which is how dhcp works
[09:32] <Yagisan> dlink uses that as a primitive firewall
[09:33] <mhz_edu> :(
[09:33] <Yagisan> you will most likely need great patience - and if it's like my netcomm it won't ever work
[09:33] <mhz_edu> how can I acces to its web interface and set it to my needs?
[09:36] <Yagisan> mhz_edu: which is yours ?http://www.dlink.com/products/support.asp?pid=62&sec=0#quickInstallGuides
[09:39] <mhz_edu> http://www.dlink.com/products/support.asp?pid=62&pv=16&sec=0
[09:40] <mhz_edu> hmmm, you're thinking about firmware upgrade?
[09:41] <Yagisan> nope
[09:41] <Yagisan> can I ask you a dumb question
[09:41] <Yagisan> what ports are you plugging the cable in ?
[09:42] <Yagisan> the 4 on the left ? or the 1 on the right ?
[09:43] <Yagisan> please humor me - and try only the 4 on the left
[09:44] <mhz_edu> waht cable? the eth0 is to the Modem, and eth1 to Dlink. You want me to connect the eth1 to the 4th port to the left? left is relative.
[09:45] <Yagisan> on the back of the dlink
[09:45] <Yagisan> the are 4 ports close together
[09:46] <Yagisan> then 1 port and poer
[09:46] <Yagisan> power
[09:46] <Yagisan> the 4 ports close together are left (when looking at the back)
[09:46] <mhz_edu> ok
[09:47] <Yagisan> edubuntu eth1 to leftmost port, then you can attach 3 clients to the next 3 ports
[09:47] <Yagisan> don't use the port next to power
[09:47] <mhz_edu> but i can't right now 'coz eth1 is being used by the crossover
[09:47] <mhz_edu> LOl
[09:48] <Yagisan> later then :)
[09:48] <Yagisan> next - that dlink seems to take <IP_ADDRESS> by default
[09:48] <mhz_edu> duh!
[09:48] <mhz_edu> no wonder why I was having so much trouble
[09:49] <Yagisan> so - sudo gedit /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
[09:49] <mhz_edu> and change ips
[09:49] <Yagisan> change <IP_ADDRESS> to something else
[09:49] <mhz_edu> can I use nano instead? :D
[09:50] <Yagisan> I use <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:50] <Yagisan> sure
[09:50] <Yagisan> I use mcedit myself
[09:50] <mhz_edu> I'd reather use emacs thou
[09:50] <Yagisan> ok - sudo $EDITOR /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf :-D
[09:50] <mhz_edu> lol
[09:50] <mhz_edu> or
[09:51] <mhz_edu> no sudo
[09:51] <Yagisan> should use sudo - that file is only editable by root
[09:51] <mhz_edu> or nohup sudo $EDITOR /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
[09:52] <mhz_edu> yes, but if I have laready assigned root a password.. i can by pss sudo
[09:52] <mhz_edu> bypass
[09:52] <Yagisan> true
[09:52] <Yagisan> but then you can't copy & paste :)
[09:52] <mhz_edu> and I use sudo especially when I log in via ssh remotely
[09:53] <mhz_edu> root is blocked for ssh
[09:53] <mhz_edu> ssh login I mean
[09:53] <Yagisan> then, sudo /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart
[09:53] <Yagisan> and it should all be ok
[09:53] <mhz_edu> yes
[09:53] <Yagisan> want to see my dhcpd.conf as an example ?
[09:54] <mhz_edu> and I could finally see if that was the stupid simple issue of my dhcp server not passing through
[09:54] <mhz_edu> why not?
[09:55] <Yagisan> I suggest some tape over that last port if that works
[09:56] <mhz_edu> BTW, if i remove gdm from init.d, and I am used to login and then startx, will LDM still work fine on clients?
[09:57] <Yagisan> I'd leave gdm alone, it doesn't hurt, and any upgrade will put it back
[09:57] <mhz_edu> Yagisan, but how do I just get rid of it or block it on upgrades?
[09:58] <Yagisan> the clients don't load gdm
[09:58] <mhz_edu> I know, they load LDM
[09:58] <Yagisan> the gdm you are looking at (this is on edubuntu right ?) is the one used to log in locally to the server
[09:58] <mhz_edu> I have created .xsession and indicated to exec fluxbox. No success, it gets back to login prompt
[09:59] <mhz_edu> yes, I wanna get rid of GDM, not LDM
[09:59] <Yagisan> you need gdm on the server
[09:59] <mhz_edu> my .xsession works perfectly on the server BUT the clients
[09:59] <Yagisan> you can't use ldm for a local login on the server
[10:00] <mhz_edu> why need it?
[10:00] <mhz_edu> I know
[10:00] <mhz_edu> Login Display Manager
[10:00] <mhz_edu> LtspDisplay Manager
[10:00] <Yagisan> where is .xsession ?
[10:01] <Yagisan> $HOME/.xsession ?
[10:01] <mhz_edu> then how could i enable Fluxbox or WindowMaker or Enlightenment for Clients
[10:01] <mhz_edu> ?
[10:01] <mhz_edu> yes
[10:01] <mhz_edu> I tried to put it on /etc/X11
[10:01] <mhz_edu> I tried to put it on /etc/X11/Xsession something
[10:02] <mhz_edu> but I couldn't figure out
[10:02] <Yagisan> $HOME/.xsession is the right spot
[10:02] <mhz_edu> fluxbox runs only on server, so far.
[10:02] <Yagisan> client changes are usually in /opt/ltsp/$ARCH/etc
[10:02] <mhz_edu> hmmm
[10:03] <Yagisan> man - you should get some sleep
[10:03] <Yagisan> it's 6:03 PM here
[10:03] <mhz_edu> but fujitsu is installing vim-common
[10:04] <Yagisan> and fujitsu can keep installing while you sleep
[10:04] <mhz_edu> there was a news here in chile that Australia was looking for chilean workers
[10:05] <mhz_edu> Yagisan, yes, but it wouldn't be the same :D
[10:05] <mhz_edu> it needs its daddy
[10:06] <mhz_edu> is the news right?
[10:06] <Yagisan> really ? (they wouldn't hire the locals when I was f*cking unemployed for a few years )
[10:07] <mhz_edu> i've been unemployed for a year now
[10:07] <mhz_edu> I get some money from volunteering , ocationally
[10:07] <Yagisan> It sucks doesn't it.
[10:07] <mhz_edu> YES!
[10:07] <Yagisan> I borrowed some money from wife and her parents to start a business
[10:07] <mhz_edu> but I am very "hyper" and I am always doing something or making things happen
[10:08] <mhz_edu> e-stuff?
[10:08] <Yagisan> E-Security (professional hacker, Security Audits)
[10:09] <Yagisan> It's hard to concentrate on getting customers - and preparing for wife to give birth
[10:09] <mhz_edu> nice job
[10:09] <mhz_edu> I imagine
[10:09] <Yagisan> all the supporting family is in Japan - it's just me and my wife
[10:10] <mhz_edu> ...Being a small business ourselves, we understand that many small to medium businesses just can't dedicate the same level of resources to protect their critical IT infrastructure...
[10:10] <Yagisan> it's a challenging job
[10:10] <mhz_edu> well put
[10:10] <Yagisan> I'm not finished my website yet
[10:10] <mhz_edu> it is challenging, indeed
[10:10] <Yagisan> I had to do a restore a few days ago
[10:10] <mhz_edu> what does she do?
[10:11] <mhz_edu> did?
[10:11] <Yagisan> and I hope to finish it tonight
[10:11] <Yagisan> translation
[10:11] <Yagisan> :)
[10:11] <Yagisan> also clerical work
[10:12] <Yagisan> the site shows up for you - not glitches ?
[10:12] <Yagisan> no
[10:12] <mhz_edu> this is where I volunteer for (those are all projects I have started and now lead/motivate people to participate on) http://www.tecnocimiento.cl
[10:12] <mhz_edu> nop
[10:14] <Yagisan> you are Mauricio ?
[10:14] <mhz_edu> yes
[10:14] <Yagisan> cool
[10:15] <gand> hi all
[10:15] <Yagisan> Glday gand
[10:15] <mhz_edu> hey gand
[10:15] <gand> I'm trying to connect via FTP, FTP service is checked inservice settings but I can't connect :)
[10:16] <gand> hi mhz_edu
[10:16] <Yagisan> ftp to what ?
[10:17] <gand> my edubuntu server is usex.homelinux.org
[10:17] <gand> ftp to my edubuntu server
[10:17] <mhz_edu> Yagisan, I usually work with a small business, aimed to Web Development (www.esfera.cl) Tecnocimiento is aimed to Education and Free Technology applied to it. One thing Esfera and Tecnocimiento do not do is e-security. Maybe we can get a little creative there, with you.
[10:17] <gand> http://usex.homelinux.org
[10:18] <gand> I'm testing some LMS as moodle. dokeos, docebo, plone
[10:18] <Yagisan> mhz_edu: certainly
[10:18] <mhz_edu> gand, hmmm, can you access via ssh?
[10:18] <gand> yes
[10:19] <Yagisan> gand: did you configure your ftp server ?
[10:19] <mhz_edu> gand, no IPtables stopping FTP?
[10:19] <gand> opp no :) how can I configure? is there a gui to do that
[10:20] <mhz_edu> gand, no idea. I have not used ftp in more than 5 years, sorry
[10:20] <Yagisan> gand: probably not, what ftp server did you install
[10:20] <mhz_edu> mee too
[10:21] <gand> the default FTP, I just see that in Service setting FTP service is checked
[10:21] <gand> Adminstration->ServiceSetting window
[10:22] <mhz_edu> Yagisan, why not using the menu bar at the righ side?
[10:22] <Yagisan> gand: that controls tftp (for booting your thin clients)
[10:22] <mhz_edu> (your site, I meant)
[10:23] <Yagisan>  mhz_edu: try our research
[10:23] <Yagisan> gand: you don't have a ftp server installed
[10:23] <Yagisan> gand: do you need ftp ?
[10:23] <gand> opps I supposed it was :) well is there a easy way to set up a FTP service tu upload file to my server
[10:24] <mhz_edu> gand, apt-cahce search ftp server
[10:24] <gand> yes I need to upload file to my server with ftp or other way, the easy way :)
[10:24] <mhz_edu> gand, apt-cache search ftp server
[10:24] <mhz_edu> ok
[10:24] <mhz_edu> Synaptic
[10:24] <gand> ok, and FTP configuration?
[10:24] <Yagisan> mhz_edu: MS IE hated my site - I had to do CSS magic on it
[10:24] <Yagisan> gand: to upload just use scp eg scp myfile.txt usex.homelinux.org:/home/gand/
[10:25] <mhz_edu> somewhere in GNOMe, there's a tool called Synaptic
[10:25] <gand> yes I use synaptic to intall software
[10:25] <mhz_edu> ok, search for a ftp server
[10:26] <Yagisan> gand: ok - just a word of warning - ftp is not secure
[10:26] <mhz_edu> gand, heve you ever edited /etc/apt/source.list?
[10:26] <gand> well now I try, If I have problems I'll be back here thanks a lot
[10:26] <Yagisan> gand: are kids going to have access to this machine ?
[10:26] <gand> yes I edited source list
[10:27] <gand> yes it will be the lms server for my school
[10:27] <mhz_edu> ok, so you have uncommented the repositories?
[10:27] <Yagisan> gand: If so - I strongly recommend not using ftp
[10:27] <gand> yes mhz_edu
[10:27] <mhz_edu> gand, FTP is one of the less secure applications/protocol
[10:28] <mhz_edu> but if you say you need it, Synaptic is your choice to look up
[10:28] <gand> yes I know, how can I upload file, with SFTP?
[10:28] <mhz_edu> hmm, I gues very similar to scp
[10:28] <Yagisan> gand: have you tried scp ?
[10:28] <gand> I know only FTP and SFTP
[10:28] <gand> scp?
[10:28] <Yagisan> gand: you know ssh ?
[10:28] <mhz_edu> scp the_file user@server:/home/user/
[10:28] <gand> yes I know ssh
[10:29] <mhz_edu> SCP is ssh to send files :)
[10:29] <Yagisan> gand: then scp is a good choice for you
[10:29] <Yagisan> gand: and it can be quicker the ftp :)
[10:29] <gand> nice, as now I'm on a macOSX box I just have to know how to work with scp
[10:30] <mhz_edu> example:    scp the_file gand@server:/home/gand/
[10:30] <mhz_edu> OSX , afaik, includes ssh
[10:30] <gand> but I have to connect via ssh before use scp command?
[10:30] <mhz_edu> and afaik, ssh includes scp
[10:30] <Yagisan> gand: no
[10:30] <gand> ok now I try :)
[10:30] <mhz_edu> gand, that's the beauty of it
[10:31] <mhz_edu> it opens a "tunnel" for just the time the file takes to get to the other side
[10:31] <gand> Well ssh to my server is Ok
[10:31] <mhz_edu> and logsout
[10:31] <mhz_edu> then scp will be fine too
[10:31] <Yagisan> gand: I use it to back up all sorts of things :) It works very well
[10:32] <mhz_edu> indeed
[10:32] <gand> now I open terminal and $ scp the_file gand@server:/home/gand/
[10:32] <gand> [10:30]  mhz_edu: OSX , afaik, includes ssh
[10:32] <mhz_edu> yes
[10:32] <gand> also to download file?
[10:32] <mhz_edu> nop
[10:32] <Yagisan> yes
[10:32] <gand> ok let me 5 mins to  try it, thanks again
[10:32] <mhz_edu> 1st... I guess you have replaced the example values, right?
[10:33] <Yagisan> scp gand@server:/home/gand/the_file ./
[10:33] <Yagisan> :)
[10:33] <mhz_edu> gand, to download you use scp from the server to you
[10:33] <gand> yes mhz
[10:33] <gand> right to download ssh to server before and the scp, cool :)
[10:34] <gand> the/then
[10:34] <mhz_edu> or, Yagisan has a simple way
[10:34] <mhz_edu> Yagisan scp gand@server:/home/gand/the_file ./
[10:34] <Yagisan> brb - getting a coffee. mdz_edu: your wife will kill you
[10:34] <mhz_edu> Yagisan, I am already dead
[10:34] <mhz_edu> :D
[10:38] <gand> HI nice it work the first attempt THANKS A LOT
[10:38] <mhz_edu> np
[10:38] <mhz_edu> whenever it is possible... we help
[10:38] <gand> now a complete tutorial on moodle is up to my server :)
[10:38] <gand> just one more think
[10:38] <mhz_edu> educool!
[10:39] <mhz_edu> shoot
[10:40] <gand> can I use scp + sudo to upload file in folder where I haven ot permission?
[10:40] <mhz_edu> hmm
[10:41] <gand> :)
[10:41] <mhz_edu> nop
[10:41] <mhz_edu> 'coz scp asks for password
[10:42] <gand> In deep, I'm an OSX user and when I drag a file to copy it in a "closed" folder, a window ask me autentication, I insert user/pw and copy is done
[10:42] <mhz_edu> maybe, there's a setting you can do in the "receiver" so once it accepts a file, it turns the authentification into sudo process
[10:43] <mhz_edu> Yagisan, LOL
[10:43] <mhz_edu> Yagisan, hurry, please I have a question
[10:43] <mhz_edu> :)
[10:43] <mhz_edu> gand, but I doubt it is possible
[10:43] <gand> on gnome/Edubuntu as GDM  run as admin user and not as root I've tu use terminal to copy and remove file from root folder
[10:45] <gand> I wonder if there is a way to cp/rm file from "root owned folder" via gnome
[10:45] <mhz_edu> yes
[10:45] <gand> how? :)
[10:45] <mhz_edu> ina terminal, run $ sudo passwd
[10:45] <mhz_edu> enter user password
[10:46] <mhz_edu> and then create root passwprd
[10:46] <mhz_edu> once created, do: $ su -
[10:46] <mhz_edu> login as root
[10:47] <gand> you mean logout from gdm admin and login on gdm as admin?
[10:47] <mhz_edu> and from the terminal, do for exapmle: $ galeon
[10:47] <mhz_edu> nop
[10:47] <mhz_edu> all in same terminal window
[10:47] <mhz_edu> do it asn u'll see
[10:48] <gand> well in this way root is enabled, ok
[10:48] <mhz_edu> basically, you'll call GUI programs from root, and hence, all is permission open
[10:49] <mhz_edu> did you understand? if not ask me again, no problem
[10:49] <gand> I understand, with $ su - gdm run as root?
[10:49] <mhz_edu> hhhmmmm nop
[10:49] <mhz_edu> $ su -
[10:50] <mhz_edu> in a  terminal, you will become root. Being root, and calling programs from the terminal, those applications will have no restrictions
[10:51] <mhz_edu> but if you call a program from Menu, then the applications remains restricted
[10:52] <mhz_edu> would you like to go step by step?
[10:52] <gand> the problem now is that I'm on my server via VNC through ssh tunnel, If I log out from my "admin" user, vnc server will close and I'll can't connect later
[10:53] <mhz_edu> do not log out.
[10:53] <mhz_edu> follow me..
[10:53] <mhz_edu> you are "user" on ssh, right?
[10:54] <gand> so I wonder if, after setting root pw, I can run Gnome to drag/drop/copy/remove "Root folder"
[10:54] <mhz_edu> yes, if you follow me
[10:54] <gand> yes and also I've a vnc window open and I can see my gnome screen
[10:54] <mhz_edu> let's do it together
[10:54] <gand> ok
[10:55] <mhz_edu> in a terminal, you are logged in as user?
[10:55] <gand> yes ok I'm there
[10:56] <mhz_edu> ok, type:  sudo passwd
[10:56] <gand> gand@edubuntu:~$
[10:56] <mhz_edu> enter gand's password
[10:56] <mhz_edu> and now enter new Root password
[10:56] <mhz_edu> (twice)
[10:57] <mhz_edu> Yagisan, welcome back after ffeding the princess
[10:57] <mhz_edu> gand, could you set root password?
[10:57] <Yagisan> agghhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[10:57] <gand> It ask me: Enter new UNIX password:
[10:57] <mhz_edu> Yagisan, what?
[10:57] <Yagisan> root - did I just see log in as root ????
[10:57] <mhz_edu> gand, yes, enter the password you want to assign to root
[10:58] <gand> not my gand pw
[10:58] <mhz_edu> Yagisan, yes
[10:58] <gand> new root pw ok
[10:58] <mhz_edu> gand, nop. Now you are assigning root password
[10:58] <Yagisan> why not just ssh + sudo su ?
[10:58] <mhz_edu> Yagisan, dunno. He asks me, so i explain to him
[10:59] <mhz_edu> gand, now..
[10:59] <gand> Yagisan I ask mhz how can I use gnome to to drag/drop/copy/remove some "Root ownad folder"
[10:59] <mhz_edu> type:  su -
[10:59] <gand> mhz wait a minute
[10:59] <mhz_edu> and enter the root password
[10:59] <mhz_edu> gand, remember we are stillon the same terminal
[11:00] <gand> ok: passwd: password updated successfully
[11:00] <gand> ok root@edubuntu:~#
[11:00] <mhz_edu> perfect
[11:01] <mhz_edu> now, what file browser do you use in gnome?
[11:01] <mhz_edu> (to copy and paste)
[11:01] <Yagisan> gand, mhz_edu: please wait a sec
[11:01] <mhz_edu> ok
[11:02] <Yagisan> gand, mhz_edu: what gand wants to do is copy a file, then move it to a root owned directory right ?
[11:02] <mhz_edu> yes, but GUI like
[11:02] <Yagisan> ok
[11:02] <gand> yes gui like
[11:02] <Yagisan> first scp to a directory you can write too
[11:03] <Yagisan> next ssh to server
[11:03] <mhz_edu> and do sudo there?
[11:03] <Yagisan> then sudo nautilus
[11:03] <Yagisan> then move to where it should go
[11:03] <Yagisan> :)
[11:03] <Yagisan> gui way
[11:03] <mhz_edu> can you sudo nautilus???
[11:03] <Yagisan> yes
[11:03] <mhz_edu> just like that?
[11:04] <mhz_edu> 'sudo nautilus'
[11:04] <gand> ok
[11:04] <Yagisan> should do
[11:04] <mhz_edu> no other command need?
[11:04] <Yagisan> not that I can think of
[11:04] <mhz_edu> it will open nautilus?
[11:04] <Yagisan> assuming X display is forwarded - yes
[11:05] <Yagisan> gand: please try it
[11:05] <mhz_edu> but isn't the syntax 'sudo command something'?
[11:05] <Yagisan> just sudo command works for most gui apps
[11:05] <gand> an now how can "delete" root password?
[11:05] <gand> $ sudo nautilus
[11:05] <gand> (nautilus:17818): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[11:06] <Yagisan> gand: (nautilus:17818): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display means we need X11 display forwarding setup
[11:06] <gand> sorry How can I do that?
[11:06] <mhz_edu> Yagisan, once I successfully netbooted the client and network was autodetected in the clients side, was there any chance I could have used the PCMCIA CD drive to install everything from CD instead of net??
[11:07] <mhz_edu> gand, you are root now, right? can you just type nautilus?
[11:07] <Yagisan> gand:   'sudo passwd -l root' will lock the rook account for you
[11:08] <gand> ok I'll lock root account
[11:08] <gand> later
[11:09] <gand> I type nautilus as root but again (nautilus:17864): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[11:09] <Yagisan> mhz_edu: slim chance - depends on the drivers and if the could autodetect it
[11:09] <Yagisan> catch you later gand
[11:09] <gand> ok thank
[11:09] <mhz_edu> Yagisan, I have successfully install Ubuntu 'server' method. Now i would like to show off with an Edubuntu installation, so I can demo it from a laptop (the one I'll be using on presentations).
[11:10] <mhz_edu> gand, hmm, it seems X11 needs to be set to allow you to do that
[11:10] <Yagisan> gand: http://www.ssh.com/support/documentation/online/ssh/adminguide/32/X11_Forwarding.html
[11:10] <gand> I read thank
[11:10] <mhz_edu> gand, that's what you need
[11:11] <mhz_edu> Yagisan forwarding gand to read on forwarding X11 :D
[11:12] <gand> I hope not to re- compile SSH :)
[11:12] <Yagisan> gand: this might be better http://www.cs.uwaterloo.ca/cscf/howto/ssh/ForwardX11.shtml
[11:12] <mhz_edu> Yagisan, you need a Moin wiki for your site, especially if you'll have important documentation and news.
[11:13] <Yagisan> gand: basically ssh -Y your_server_here
[11:13] <mhz_edu> Yagisan, I understand the driver thing.
[11:13] <Yagisan> mhz_edu: yes - but that is proof of concept - notice the redirect ?
[11:13] <mhz_edu> Yagisan, what If I wanted to tell grub to boot from PCMCIA CD ?
[11:13] <gand> I read: ssh -X <hostname>
[11:14] <Yagisan> gand:  With versions 3.8 and above, you may need to use the -Y option instead of -X
[11:14] <mhz_edu> gand, ssh -X gand@server
[11:14] <gand> ok
[11:14] <mhz_edu> gand, ssh -Y gand@server
[11:14] <mhz_edu> :D
[11:14] <Yagisan> mhz_edu: I don't think it can be done (yet)
[11:14] <mhz_edu> just like ssh or scp :)
[11:16] <gand> sorry "ssh -Y gand@edubuntu" or "ssh -Y edubuntu"
[11:16] <mhz_edu> 1st
[11:17] <mhz_edu> the same server you used to ssh ok
[11:17] <gand> ok
[11:17] <gand> so:
[11:18] <gand>  1) ssh gand@myserver
[11:18] <gand> 2) ssh -Y gand@edubuntu
[11:18] <mhz_edu> nop
[11:18] <Yagisan> 1) ssh -Y gand@myserver
[11:18] <mhz_edu> just 2)
[11:18] <gand> 3) sudo nautilus
[11:18] <Yagisan> 2), then 3)
[11:18] <mhz_edu> yes, no 1)
[11:18] <mhz_edu> :D
[11:22] <gand> http://pastebin.com/387869
[11:22] <gand> gand is kandinsky and server is moodle.sky.mi.it
[11:23] <gand> (nautilus:18057): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[11:23] <mhz_edu> boooh
[11:23] <mhz_edu> then I have no clue
[11:23] <Yagisan> try ssh -X instead
[11:23] <mhz_edu> why not doing this rm.mv or cp via command line
[11:25] <mhz_edu> Yagisan, in older PowerBooks (ppc), you may not boot any other OS different form Apple's. So , you had a bootloader. You places vmlinuz and initrd.gz onto the HD , booted and inserted a the other OS   CD.
[11:25] <gand> same error with -X
[11:26] <Yagisan> gand: you need to edit some ssh configuration files
[11:26] <Yagisan> gand: http://www.openssh.org/faq.html#2.7
[11:26] <mhz_edu> gand, for your own sanity, I reccomend you to learn MV, CP and RM  to work from the commnad line. It's faster (lot), simple, and secure
[11:27] <Yagisan> gand: and if you need a file manager - 'apt-get install mc' on the server for a decent command line file manager
[11:28] <mhz_edu> Yagisan, I am about falling asleep
[11:28] <gand> more tools we have, better is :) thanks
[11:28] <mhz_edu> Yagisan, I am about to be killed, in other words :D
[11:28] <gand> just sunday 11.30 AM here
[11:29] <gand> Milan Italy :)
[11:29] <mhz_edu> hehehe, 06:30
[11:29] <mhz_edu> am
[11:29] <mhz_edu> here
[11:29] <mhz_edu> mamma mia!
[11:29] <Yagisan> 7:30 pm here
[11:29] <Yagisan> mhz_edu: Don't die! I see a potential customer :-D
[11:29] <mhz_edu> lol
[11:30] <mhz_edu> so, any ideas on how to install edubuntu now that I have a thin linux box
[11:30] <mhz_edu> ?
[11:30] <mhz_edu> Grub + ?
[11:30] <mhz_edu> Grub + initrd.gz + linux file?
[11:31] <mhz_edu> and that will boot to what? a PCMCIA cd?
[11:31] <Yagisan> mhz_edu: you have ppc ?
[11:31] <mhz_edu> I had
[11:31] <mhz_edu> I have, but needs some parts
[11:32] <Yagisan> ok - what is your thin linux box ?
[11:32] <mhz_edu> Fujitsu b2175
[11:32] <Yagisan> I though you had edubuntu set up ?
[11:32] <mhz_edu> lifebooh
[11:32] <mhz_edu> lifebook
[11:33] <mhz_edu> I have: Celeron 700 Mhz + 128 RAM (desktop) and Fujitsu
[11:33] <mhz_edu> My wife has another laptop: Compaq M300
[11:33] <Yagisan> you want to take the fujitsu to demo right ?
[11:33] <mhz_edu> both laptops boot PXE
[11:33] <mhz_edu> yes
[11:34] <mhz_edu> I have already sheduled 9 demos
[11:34] <Yagisan> so - the fujitsu should be a server ?
[11:34] <mhz_edu> yes
[11:34] <mhz_edu> and it has 2 ethX so far
[11:34] <Yagisan> are there already pc's where you are going ?
[11:34] <mhz_edu> yes, and no.
[11:35] <Yagisan> ok - heres what I think you should do
[11:35] <Yagisan> we should install an edubuntu server on your laptop
[11:35] <Yagisan> we will adjust the dhcpd.conf for a different range
[11:36] <Yagisan> eg <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:36] <Yagisan> we will then make several rom-o-matic bootable cd images, and bootable floppy images
[11:36] <Yagisan> covering the most common net cards
[11:37] <mhz_edu> ah, for the other pc's you mean?
[11:37] <mhz_edu> !
[11:37] <Yagisan> yes
[11:37] <Yagisan> we plug you laptop in - boot it
[11:37] <Yagisan> then we boot the other pc's off floppys and cd's for proof of concept
[11:37] <mhz_edu> and the laptops will provide edubuntu to the other pcs! that's the idea!
[11:38] <Yagisan> you get on average 15 clients on 100Mbs
[11:38] <mhz_edu> my demos will/should be 3-5 clients tops
[11:38] <Yagisan> how much ram does the laptop have ?
[11:38] <mhz_edu> 256
[11:39] <mhz_edu> and is 500 MHz "celeron" :(
[11:39] <mhz_edu> but it has touchscreen!!! :D
[11:39] <mhz_edu> I also have: 1 USB floppy drive and 1 PCMCIA CD drive
[11:39] <Yagisan> that should be ok for 1-3 clients (depening on what you load) - can stretch to 5
[11:39] <Yagisan> depending
[11:40] <mhz_edu> yes, hence I am trying to test fluxbos and windowmaker
[11:40] <Yagisan> I'd use icewm myself
[11:40] <mhz_edu> well, we can include it :)
[11:40] <Yagisan> (windows users feel more comfatable)
[11:40] <Yagisan> comfortable
[11:40] <mhz_edu> the idea is to show off as much as possible. even KDe :)
[11:41] <mhz_edu> but Many of the clients I'd be using are 64-128 MB ram average
[11:41] <mhz_edu> 400-700 MHz
[11:41] <Yagisan> sorry mhz_edu, 500MHz is not enough for KDE
[11:41] <Yagisan> the server needs as much RAM as it can get
[11:42] <mhz_edu> I have used it but you're rght
[11:42] <Yagisan> all my clients are 64MB
[11:42] <Yagisan> my server however is 1.5GB
[11:42] <mhz_edu> wow!
[11:42] <Yagisan> (all slots full :( )
[11:42] <mhz_edu> hehehe
[11:43] <mhz_edu> so, you say this laptop can have edubuntu
[11:43] <Yagisan> yes
[11:43] <mhz_edu> booting from?
[11:43] <Yagisan> boot the laptop from the hard disk
[11:44] <Yagisan> it will be the server
[11:44] <mhz_edu> yes
[11:44] <Yagisan> we will use the demo peoples computers as clients
[11:44] <mhz_edu> but how do i boot it in order to install edubuntu on it?
[11:44] <mhz_edu> :D
[11:44] <Yagisan> just a moment
[11:45] <Yagisan> do you have a 2.5" laptop hard drive adaptor ?
[11:45] <mhz_edu> nop
[11:45] <mhz_edu> otherwise I would have used it 80 hours ago :D
[11:45] <Yagisan> what media does the lifebook boot from
[11:45] <Yagisan> ?
[11:46] <mhz_edu> hd and PXE
[11:47] <Yagisan> mhz_edu: just checking an idea
[11:47] <mhz_edu> booting Grub to get initrd.gz and then point it to PCMCIA CD would be cool!
[11:48] <mhz_edu> my internet speed is not "speedy"
[11:48] <mhz_edu> so from internet it would take 6 hours
[11:48] <mhz_edu> or more
[11:51] <Yagisan> be back soon - dinner.
[12:05] <gand> I get it sorry :
[12:06] <mhz_edu> ?
[12:06] <mhz_edu> sorry?
[12:06] <gand> I just type sudo nautilus on terminal window locally on my server (via vnc) and my gnome now run as root
[12:07] <gand> if I type sudo nautilus from psx teminal remotely from my ibook i got Gtk warning etc
[12:07] <gand> psx/osx
[12:09] <gand> so $ sudo nautilus I can manage root's files and folders cp/rm using gnome :)
[12:18] <mhz_edu> i'm glad you worked it our
[12:47] <Yagisan> back again
[12:48] <Yagisan> mhz_edu: your laptop - are you sue it doesn't boot from cd ?
[12:49] <Yagisan> s/sue/sure
[01:55] <mhz> re
[02:24] <Yagisan> well that was traumatic, princesses nappy failed spectacularly
[02:25] <Yagisan> mhz: wb
[02:26] <Yagisan> lucasvo: lts.conf does work - but not all of it it seems
[02:27] <Yagisan> lucasvo: I can get MODULE_01 to work - but thats about it at the moment
[02:55] <lucasvo> Yagisan: what do you mean?
[02:58] <Yagisan> lucasvo: I mean that I can get the option MODULE_01 to work in lts.conf, but none of the other options I've tried
[02:58] <lucasvo> Yagisan: that's strange
[02:58] <lucasvo> why?
[02:59] <Yagisan> no idea
[02:59] <Yagisan> I'll do more testing a bit later
[03:00] <Yagisan> first I want to get powerpc clients running on and amd64 server
[03:42] <Yagisan> bye all
[06:36] <fersfeir> hi, i try to build with jigdo an iso image, but i can't :-(
[06:36] <fersfeir> --13:37:34--  http://releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/postgresql-8.0/libpq4_8.0.3-15ubuntu1_i386.deb
[06:36] <fersfeir>            => `breezy-install-i386.iso.tmpdir/releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/postgresql-8.0/libpq4_8.0.3-15ubuntu1_i386.deb'
[06:36] <fersfeir> Reusing existing connection to releases.ubuntu.com:80.
[06:36] <fersfeir> Peticin HTTP enviada, esperando respuesta... 404 Not Found
[06:36] <fersfeir> 13:37:34 ERROR 404: Not Found.
[06:37] <fersfeir> know another mirrot to try?
[06:43] <fersfeir> well... :'( download a complete iso.... thanks also
[08:41] <mhz> arkan0x, estoy en almuerzo recien
[08:41] <mhz> arkan0x, estaras mas rato?
[10:34] <mhz_almuerzo> re
[10:39] <mhz> arkan0x, ping?
[10:45] <arkan0x> mhz, ! ping
[10:51] <mhz> hey, arkan0x
[10:51] <mhz> arkan0x, como esta el toshiba? tiene nombre?


[00:05] <silverarrow> bkm, I haven`t tried chromium
[00:06] <silverarrow> I`m on the ppc iso where Firefox is default browser
[00:06] <bkm> interesting!
[00:07] <silverarrow> bkm, does the flash bundle alternative work fine with chromium
[00:07] <bkm> no
[00:07] <bkm> not for me
[00:07] <silverarrow> pepper api or something like that
[00:07] <silverarrow> I hope they keep working on that
[00:07] <silverarrow> it is too new to run smooth on all setups I suppose
[00:08] <bkm> haven't figured out how to make it work, so i'm not one to ask. everything seems to blow up (or consume all of the limited resources) as far as i can tell
[00:09] <silverarrow> I keep getting conflicting info about the papi, they have already abandoned it, or they are still working on it
[00:09] <silverarrow> bkm, what kind of computer do you have?
[00:10] <bkm> 900 mhz; 512 ram pc
[00:10] <silverarrow> which is not too bad
[00:11] <silverarrow> however flash is the most difficult thing on low specs
[00:11] <bkm> seems to be
[00:11] <silverarrow> trick is to find workarounds
[00:11] <silverarrow> and run one application at a time when streaming any video
[00:12] <silverarrow> have you found anything that works?
[00:12] <bkm> i followed a hack of placing the adobe version in place of the whatever version, and that hack worked for a long time
[00:13] <bkm> now it does not seem to. something has changed
[00:13] <silverarrow> if it streamed smoothly it should though
[00:14] <silverarrow> adobe hardly streams smooth with less than 1.5GHz
[00:14] <silverarrow> it does depend a bit upon the cpu though
[00:14] <bkm> a weird problem is that worldcat.org tries to tell me what libraries hold a certain book, but with chromium, the libraries never show up. i'm not sure why
[00:15] <bkm> later chrome versions work as does firefox
[00:15] <bkm> i'm not sure what is happening on that website
[00:17] <silverarrow> anything I can test+
[00:18] <silverarrow> ?
[00:18] <silverarrow> I`m not registered thre
[02:08] <silverarrow> hi
[02:08] <silverarrow> I am troubleshooting totem and mplayer plugins
[03:03] <kanliot> sup
[03:17] <Orrin_Fox> hey there
[03:17] <tony_> hello
[03:19] <bioterror> morning
[03:20] <Orrin_Fox> I was wondering if i could have some advice on how well lubuntu would work on my desktop, I love ubuntu but.. well it doesnt work well on my desktop
[03:21] <tony_> what's wrong with ubuntu?
[03:22] <Orrin_Fox> Ubuntu standard appears to lag upon entering the desktop (KDE)
[03:22] <Orrin_Fox> I tried Gnome, almost similar
[03:23] <Orrin_Fox> I happened to hear around the corner that lubuntu could handle the lighter-capable computers
[03:24] <tony_> lubuntu is a lot faster
[03:25] <Orrin_Fox> how well would you say it could respond on 256MB ram?
[03:26] <kanliot> nearly as well as windows xp
[03:26] <tony_>  the minimum RAM to install Lubuntu is 256 MB
[03:26] <kanliot> which is good
[03:26] <Orrin_Fox> cool
[03:26] <Orrin_Fox> yeah windows XP was on this previously
[03:26] <kanliot> just don't open 5 tabs in chromium
[03:26] <kanliot> it will be slow
[03:26] <Orrin_Fox> lol yeah
[03:26] <kanliot> try firefox or xxxterm
[03:27] <kanliot> if you get it intstalled
[03:27] <kanliot> please post your results
[03:27] <kanliot> we like to hear positive stuff
[03:27] <Orrin_Fox> oh yeah, so far ubuntu hasnt really given me any problems
[03:28] <kanliot> i'm testing 12.10
[03:28] <kanliot> not there yet :)
[03:29] <Orrin_Fox> ah thats cool
[03:29] <kanliot> actually
[03:29] <kanliot> if you are lazy
[03:29] <kanliot> you can just install lubuntu-desktop on top of ubuntu
[03:29] <kanliot> and i think you are
[03:30] <Orrin_Fox> well, i would overall just get an iso and throw it on the drive
[03:31] <kanliot> you wouldn't even have to reboot
[03:31] <tony_> it would be a lot faster to do it like he said
[03:31] <kanliot> to use lubuntu
[03:31] <kanliot> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/UpgradeToLubuntu
[03:31] <Orrin_Fox> but, if ubuntu wont even fully start up.. i would be able to work lubuntu onto it?
[03:32] <kanliot> uh
[03:32] <kanliot> please be specific about yer problem
[03:32] <kanliot> i can't guess
[03:32] <tony_> once you get to the logon screen you can choose lubuntu
[03:33] <Orrin_Fox> well, if i can install it without needing to go into the desktop then i suppose it could work
[03:33] <Orrin_Fox> i can start a terminal session
[03:33] <kanliot> why can't you get into ubuntu?
[03:33] <kanliot> it should work
[03:33] <tony_> so you are on another computer?
[03:33] <kanliot> really
[03:33] <kanliot> just horribly slow...
[03:33] <Orrin_Fox> yeah im on another computer
[03:34] <kanliot> well anyhow
[03:34] <kanliot> try it out
[03:34] <kanliot> should take about 100MB of downloads or so
[03:34] <kanliot> mebbe more
[03:34] <Orrin_Fox> I happen to have an iso on me actually
[03:34] <tony_> when the logon screen comes up, press Ctrl + Alt + F2 and login and type sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
[03:34] <Orrin_Fox> alright, yeah i can do it from the terminal
[03:35] <tony_> Lubuntu should work for you
[03:35] <Orrin_Fox> alright, i was just wanting some second opinions on how well it would work.
[03:36] <kanliot> xxxterm
[03:36] <kanliot> actually if you really need performance
[03:36] <kanliot> it would be better to install from scratch
[03:36] <kanliot> but i donno why ubuuntu isn't working now
[03:37] <kanliot> it should start up
[03:37] <Orrin_Fox> that was what i was thinking.. actually
[03:37] <kanliot> for example
[03:37] <Orrin_Fox> its seeming as if theres not enough ram to load it
[03:37] <Orrin_Fox> i mean it shows up
[03:37] <kanliot> you get the unity bar?
[03:37] <Orrin_Fox> but, the side bar wont come up or anything
[03:37] <Orrin_Fox> no
[03:37] <kanliot> it just doesn't respond
[03:37] <kanliot> hm
[03:37] <kanliot> it should if you let it sit for 2 minutes
[03:37] <Orrin_Fox> seems *maybe* to be a ram issue
[03:38] <kanliot> but i can only guess
[03:38] <Orrin_Fox> yeah this sat for.. 10 some odd minutes
[03:38] <kanliot> how much swap space?
[03:38] <Orrin_Fox> oh im not sure i wasnt able to get into the terminal, it locked up
[03:38] <tony_> once you get lubuntu-desktop working, you might wanna disable some unnecessary daemons that are using RAM
[03:38] <Orrin_Fox> yeah
[03:39] <kanliot> did you ctrl+alt+f2?
[03:39] <Orrin_Fox> yeah
[03:39] <kanliot> are you running livecd?
[03:39] <kanliot> or idd you already install?
[03:39] <Orrin_Fox> no i installed it
[03:39] <tony_> ok ctrl alt f7
[03:39] <Orrin_Fox> well, i dont have that option right now. as its not running
[03:40] <tony_> ok. sudo reboot -h now
[03:40] <Orrin_Fox> mhm
[03:42] <tony_> how much hdd space on that?
[03:42] <kanliot> anyhow Orrin_Fox you can install lubuntu, especially with the alternate installer
[03:42] <kanliot> it installs and runs great on 128mb
[03:42] <Orrin_Fox> yeah, i downloaded the mini installer
[03:43] <Orrin_Fox> And i have two HDs so, space isnt too much an issue
[03:43] <holstein> the alternate text based installer.. im not sure how "mini" it is
[03:43] <Orrin_Fox> yeah, true, ill just have to see how it goes
[03:44] <kanliot> mini installer isn't for new usersd
[03:44] <kanliot> alternate installer is
[03:44] <kanliot> if it takes you an hour to get the 12.04 alt installer, it's time well spent
[03:45] <kanliot> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/AlternateInstall
[03:46] <kanliot> ^instructions
[03:46] <Orrin_Fox> im there
[03:46] <kanliot> am i wrong guys?  I don't remember the mini iso being easy to use
[03:47] <Unit193> It isn't hard.
[03:48] <kanliot> ok maybe i'm off base
[03:48] <holstein> you'll need to download the desktop at some point though
[03:48] <Unit193> Yeah, I wouldn't say you download less, just at a different time.
[03:48] <Unit193> (Though, you wouldn't have a ton of updates later to do as well)
[18:16] <toscho> hello
[18:16] <toscho> my autostart entrys don't always work
[18:17] <holstein> toscho: in what case are the working and when are they failing
[18:17] <toscho> can someon help me fix them
[18:18] <toscho> I have added two lines to ~/.config/lxsession/autostart
[18:18] <toscho> if i start the laptop from cold they are most often ignored
[18:18] <toscho> if i kill x via ctrl-del-backspace, they work
[18:19] <holstein> toscho: what are "they".. maybe you just need to add a little delay in
[18:19] <toscho> @xmodmap -e "keycode 166=Home"
[18:19] <toscho> @xmodmap -e "keycode 167=End"
[18:27] <holstein> toscho: i would try a delay
[18:28] <toscho> how to?
[18:29] <holstein> i would read http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1152099
[18:29] <holstein> seems like adding the sleep command should add delay
[18:31] <toscho> thx, i will try
[18:52] <toscho> thx holstein, it worked
[19:07] <holstein> toscho: COOL! enjoy :)
[23:23] <battlehands> can someone point me towards a latex friendly lubuntu editor
[23:30] <wxl> battlehands: yes! vi ;)
[23:31] <wxl> gvim if you need a gui
[23:31] <battlehands> Im already in the process of installing texmaker or something like that
[23:31] <wxl> there's latex-suite
[23:31] <battlehands> hoepfully this one has some preset templates that I can use.
[23:31] <wxl> ↑ for vi/vim/gvim
[23:32] <wxl> if you're not already used to (g)vi(m) tho prolly not best
[23:32] <wxl> there's also lyx and texmacs
[23:32] <wxl> haven't used any but vi
[23:32] <wxl> also ppl use emacs too
[23:34] <wxl> there's gedit but technically that will pull in some other gnome crap
[23:35] <wxl> lyx and texmacs are wysiwig which is not how i usually do latex. not how a lot of ppl do.