[01:39]  * ScottK predicts tears when cjwatson sees what I did to kubuntu-meta, but kubuntu-mobile is built from Universe, so it's a win.
[01:40] <jjesse> what is kubuntu-mobile?
[01:42] <ScottK> jjesse: It's a tech preview using plasma-mobile, somewhat along the same lines as the Kubuntu Netbook tech preview we did a coupld of cycles ago.
[01:43] <jjesse> oh cool, so i can run it on my phone or something?
[01:43] <ScottK> In theory.
[01:44] <ScottK> My expectation is it will take more than one cycle to get there.
[01:44] <jjesse> intersting
[01:44] <jjesse> so do you head up all the tech previews we do :)
[01:45] <ScottK> I'm not really heading this one up.  This is a joint venture with Ubuntu Mobile team and some other interested community developers.
[01:47] <lex79> why kubuntu-mobile is built from universe? which package is in universe that can't go in main?
[01:47] <lex79> just curiosity...
[02:13] <ScottK> lex79: We expect that there will be a lot of highly experimental packages for mobile widgets and stuff.
[02:13] <ScottK> Eventually it'll go in Main, but for now, there's a lot more flexiblity in Universe.
[02:13] <ScottK> The netbook tech preview was different, because it was just one additional package in Main.
[02:14] <lex79> ah right, got it :)
[05:11] <ScottK> Riddell: Would you please have a look at poppler in binary New?  tsdgeos was missing poppler-cpp in Maverick so I fixed the package to build it and I'd like for us to be responsive about getting it out.
[06:13]  * jussi waves to the channel
[06:15]  * nigelb waves to jussi
[06:15] <nigelb> jussi: Good morning! having a good monday?
[06:16] <jussi> nigelb: its 815 and its monday.... can it be good?
[06:26] <nigelb> jussi: definitely not :/ I'm having a bad one too
[06:27] <jussi> mind, dont we find out the new Kubuntu Council today?
[06:27] <nigelb> yeah? oh!
[06:27]  * jussi thinks Riddell will do it when he wakes up.
[06:31] <NCommander> ScottK: Riddell: its been a crappy weekend, but kdebase-workspace is about to get uploaded with armel fix
[06:32] <jussi> NCommander: nice work!
[06:32]  * jussi hugs NCommander
[06:32] <NCommander> If it builds, I'll try and commit it to SVN upstream, but I might not get around to it
[06:33] <NCommander> Uploaded
[06:33]  * NCommander waits for the Accepted email
[06:35] <NCommander> WTH
[06:35] <NCommander> I got rejected
[06:36] <NCommander> "Signer is not permitted to upload to the component 'main'.
[06:36] <NCommander> ...
[06:36] <NCommander> is kdebase-workspace NOT in kubuntu-dev?
[06:36] <NCommander> or did I fall out of kubuntu-dev
[06:37] <jussi> NCommander: are you trying to upload to ppa or?
[06:37] <ScottK> NCommander: Shove it in bzr and I'll upload it.
[06:37] <NCommander> Main archive
[06:37] <NCommander> ScottK: its in bzr already, but I'm upset that I just got a reject
[06:37] <NCommander> ScottK: let me figure out why I got rejected before you upload
[06:38] <NCommander> ScottK: ~kubuntu-dev is the upload group, right?
[06:38] <jussi> Isnt it that only core devs can upload to main? or am I totally out of it...
[06:38] <ScottK> NCommander: It is.  -workpace may be in core.
[06:38] <NCommander> Upload permissions where changed so some KDE packages can be uploaded
[06:38] <NCommander> ScottK: .... ~kubuntu-dev is then completely useless IMHO
[06:38] <ScottK> It was (I thought) supposed to be moved to the package set, but maybe it didn't get done
[06:39]  * NCommander thought it was stupid that a bunch of KDE packages were out of it but whatever
[06:39] <NCommander> ScottK: feel free to sponsor
[06:39] <ScottK> OK.
[06:39] <NCommander> ScottK: obviously I misunderstood the role of kubuntu-dev when I got it since I've yet to upload a single package with it
[06:39] <NCommander> I'll look at bindings sometime this week
[06:40] <ScottK> NCommander: There's a few rough spots to work out yet.
[06:40] <NCommander> ScottK: its already tagged 0ubuntu4 so if you end up making changes, remember to delete the dag
[06:40] <NCommander> *tag
[06:40] <ScottK> OK
[06:40] <NCommander> ScottK: you still need me around, or cna I poof off for awhile?
[06:41] <ScottK> poof
[06:41] <NCommander> cool
[06:41] <NCommander> ScottK: thanks for the upload.
[06:41] <NCommander> ScottK: this should help quite a bit
[06:42] <ScottK> Yeah and I want to get it uploaded before the Europeans wake up and fill the buildds.
[06:42] <NCommander> ScottK: heh
[06:42] <NCommander> cya
[06:47] <ScottK> NCommander: Uploaded.  Thanks for taking care of it.
[09:32] <agateau> Riddell: ping
[09:33] <steveire> Riddell: Damn. I'll see if I can talk to tokoe about a patch that will apply.
[09:47] <a|wen> shadeslayer_: I see you worked on the k3b package too ... did you also look at the patches, and which could be upstreamed?
[10:18]  * apachelogger gets up after 11 hours of sleep and doesnt feel much better
[10:19] <al> party hardy equals tardy
[10:20]  * jussi huggles apachelogger
[10:37]  * apachelogger got a b on the relational database course -.-
[10:37] <apachelogger> better days I have seen clearly
[10:37]  * apachelogger rehuggles jussi
[10:39] <Riddell> hi agateau
[10:40] <agateau> Riddell: hi, was wondering if you had more info about the dbusmenu problem you mailed me about
[10:40] <agateau> Riddell: but got some details from #plasma meanwhile
[10:40] <Riddell> right click->boom
[10:41] <agateau> Riddell: was thinking about handy things like, you know, backtraces :)
[10:42] <apachelogger> uhhh
[10:43] <apachelogger> KC election ends in 18 minutes
[10:46] <jussi> ooh
[10:47]  * apachelogger hopes everyone voted already :)
[10:47]  * apachelogger also proudly presents his [I VOTED] sticker ^^
[10:48]  * Riddell grumbles about popularity contests
[10:55] <Riddell> agateau: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/6XtsHi2S
[10:56] <agateau> Riddell: ok thanks
[11:03]  * jussi waves his "I voted" sticker at apachelogger
[11:03] <apachelogger> pff :P
[11:04]  * apachelogger waits for Riddell to announce the new council members :P
[11:04] <Riddell> do you want to know the results?
[11:04]  * apachelogger also callgrinds dolphin meanwhile
[11:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: just who is in
[11:04] <Riddell> it means someone will lose and that's never a very nice thing
[11:05] <Riddell> well, someones will tie to lose actually
[11:05] <apachelogger> brrr
[11:06] <apachelogger> maybe we should limit the amount of candidates to the amount of openings, that would certainly eliminate that problem :)
[11:06] <Riddell> can you see http://www.cs.cornell.edu/w8/~andru/cgi-perl/civs/results.pl?num_winners=3&id=E_5351b17cef859a25&algorithm=beatpath ?
[11:06] <nigelb> heh
[11:06] <apachelogger> aye
[11:07] <Riddell> me, ScottK and neversfelde it is
[11:07] <nigelb> oh, so top 3 are the council?
[11:07] <Riddell> thanks to lex and jussi for taking part
[11:07] <apachelogger> Riddell, ScottK, neversfelde: congrats
[11:07]  * apachelogger hugs and jussi and hands him a cookie
[11:08] <jussi> aww
[11:08]  * apachelogger notes that now 6/6 are involved with development
[11:09]  * nigelb thinks that is a good thing
[11:09] <Riddell> right, which is just why i don't like having a vote, you don't end up with the best mix as a team
[11:09] <jussi> I tend to agree.
[11:09] <apachelogger> *nod*
[11:09] <jussi> but thats what we have now.
[11:09] <apachelogger> we can and should try getting more non-dev people to apply actually
[11:10] <jussi> It was only me this time, no?
[11:10] <apachelogger> yep
[11:10] <maco> congrats so um who are the 3 that expired by the way?
[11:10] <maco> hmm mid-sentence topic switch
[11:10] <apachelogger> maco: Nightrose, seele, Riddell if I am not mistaken
[11:10] <maco> congrats you three
[11:11] <maco> and THEN as a *separate* sentence:
[11:11] <maco> so who are the....?
[11:11] <maco> :)
[11:12]  * apachelogger does not compute :P
[11:14] <maco> apachelogger: i said "congrats so um..." but i was in the middle of typing "congrats you three" when i switched to "so um..."
[11:15]  * apachelogger still doenst compute
[11:15] <apachelogger> *retransmitting*
[11:15] <apachelogger> maco: http://www.cs.cornell.edu/w8/~andru/cgi-perl/civs/results.pl?num_winners=3&id=E_5351b17cef859a25&algorithm=beatpath is the result of most recent KC election
[11:15] <apachelogger> hence jr, scott and nevi repalace jr, seele and nightrose
[11:16] <maco> apachelogger: do you ever start saying a sentence and get distracted in the middle of it and say something nonsense instead?
[11:16]  * Nightrose blinks at apachelogger
[11:16] <apachelogger> no, I usually start saying a sentence and it is nonesense to begin with
[11:17]  * apachelogger pokes Nightrose with a fluffy bunny
[11:17] <Nightrose> <- irreplaceable
[11:17] <apachelogger> well
[11:17] <apachelogger> I wrote repalace
[11:17] <Nightrose> lol
[11:17] <apachelogger> meaning that they enter the palace of KC :P
[11:17] <Nightrose> :P i see
[11:18]  * Nightrose unblinks @ apachelogger then
[11:18] <apachelogger> it is all well thought through
[11:18] <Nightrose> i can see that now yes
[11:18] <Nightrose> ;-)
[11:18] <apachelogger> well, except for jr repalacing jr, that strikes me as complex to draw in a diagram
[11:20]  * apachelogger is not sure whether he reads this callgrind log correctly but of our old desktop file translation stuff the key translation itsemf seems to be most expansive too
[11:20]  * nigelb thinks apachelogger can talk his way out of anything
[11:20] <apachelogger> quite some heaping going on there
[11:20]  * apachelogger thinks that nigelb might be right
[11:22]  * apachelogger thinks that kconfig* should be written in dirty C as to improve overall KDE performance :P
[11:22] <apachelogger> the amount of usage of those class is scary
[11:22] <apachelogger> KConfigIniBacken's parseConfig gets called some 4092 times in a dolphin startup + context menu creation
[11:25] <ScottK> apachelogger: Thanks.
[11:25] <apachelogger> and if I understand this listing here correctly then it is responsible for 16.95 % of the call costs or so
[11:26] <a|wen> uh, congrats to Riddell, ScottK and neversfelde !
[11:26] <apachelogger> that makes it come right after qstrcmp
[11:26] <ScottK> Thanks.
[11:45] <Riddell> "kduffus extended their membership of Kubuntu Members" yay, seaLne still one of us!
[11:46] <maco> i feel like there's a scifi (doctor who?) reference in there
[11:46] <maco> "one of us. one of us. one of us."
[11:48] <alf__> Riddell: Hi! One question about qt4-x11: why is armv6 forced for armel architectures?
[11:48] <apachelogger> \o/ the doctor
[11:49] <ScottK> alf__: Because that's the lowest arm version we support in Ubuntu.
[11:49] <ScottK> It wouldn't build if we didn't do that.
[11:51] <alf__> ScottK: Ok, so it just to set the lowest version... so forcing v7 should work, right?
[11:51] <ScottK> Presumably.
[11:51] <ScottK> I didn't look if there's upstream support for it or not (there is for v6)
[11:52] <ScottK> Also as long as v6 -> v7 is still binary compatible.
[11:53] <Riddell> if alf is packaging it for qt embedded it doesn't need to be binary compatible
[11:53] <alf__> ScottK, Riddell: Thanks, just wanted to make sure that nothing (known, at least) was blocking v7 builds
[11:53] <ScottK> Riddell: True, but he referred to qt4-x11, so I assumed he meant out package.  If it's not something for the archive,I think it's OT.
[11:56] <Riddell> it is for the archive or PPAs
[11:57] <ScottK> OK
[11:58] <ScottK> It's not at all clear to us outsiders how much Linaro work goes in Ubuntu and how much is downstream.
[12:10] <ryanakca> Congrats to the winners... Would someone on the KCC like to update the /topic ?
[12:12] <apachelogger> kubotu: topic del 4
[12:39] <ulysses> shouldn't be Karmic replaced with Maverick on the wiki page?
[12:44] <apachelogger> what wikipage now?
[12:45] <Riddell> I expect we have plenty of wiki pages out of date
[12:45] <Riddell> it's a wiki, edit :)
[12:51] <ulysses> edited, now back to KDE translation
[12:53] <Riddell> thanks ulysses!
[12:53] <Riddell> ryanakca: can you make a kubuntu.org story with this http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/tutorials please
[12:53] <ulysses> it was nothin ;)
[13:12] <apachelogger> Nightrose: is it just me or would the kde->git process be a perfect oportunity to make the release script less procedural and more objectal (i.e. refactor approach no 3)
[13:13] <Nightrose> apachelogger: i'm sceptical whenever you say refactor... ;-)
[13:13] <Nightrose> i just want it to work (TM)
[13:14] <Nightrose> arghhhh... medical journals...
[13:14] <Nightrose> i just want to read that paper and not really pay you a few hundred bugs
[13:15] <apachelogger> Nightrose: well, at the very least make the VCS stuff more objectal, the current procedual approach is sort of horrible considering the differences
[13:15] <Nightrose> *nod*
[13:16] <apachelogger> more generally speaking the release scripts could generate a releaseobj that has a vcsobj to the releasecore that does fancy stuff to produce a releasetar ;)
[13:17] <apachelogger> Nightrose: if you had invested more time in the important things back in school you could now be doing physics and make use of the vast paper sharing networks ;)
[13:17] <Nightrose> lol
[14:09] <NCommander> Riddell: you alive?
[14:12] <Riddell> NCommander: and kicking!
[14:13] <Riddell> in a non-violent way
[14:13] <NCommander> Riddell: for commiting on the kdebase SVN tree, should I file a bug on what I'm fixing first (ARM FTBFS)
[14:13]  * agateau wonders what a non-violent kick is
[14:14] <Riddell> NCommander: no paticular need to, just exmplain what the issue is in the commit log
[14:14] <Riddell> explain
[14:16] <ScottK> On the off chance agateau was actually wondering: "alive and kicking" is an English idiom/slang for alive.  No actual kicking involved.
[14:17] <agateau> ScottK: I know, it was just a (failed) attempt at being funny, thanks nevertheless :)
[14:27] <NCommander> ugh
[14:27] <NCommander> rosetta is spammy again
[14:27] <NCommander> ScottK: kdebase-workspace built
[14:28] <Riddell> yay
[14:28] <Riddell> how's kdebindings doing? :)
[14:29] <NCommander> Riddell: looks like someone dropped my python-qt4 voodoo or it broke with Qt 4.7
[14:30] <ScottK> \o/
[14:31] <ScottK> NCommander: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/4:4.4.85-0ubuntu4/+build/1803895 says it's still building?
[14:32] <ScottK> FWIW, ia64 finally caught up over the weekend and everything built fine, so it's "done".
[14:39] <ScottK> In fact, workspace just hit the scary part: dpkg-deb: building package `kdebase-workspace-dbg' in `../kdebase-workspace-dbg_4.4.85-0ubuntu4_armel.deb'.
[14:53] <JontheEchidna> agateau: I had suspected that the QuickAccess crash was a kdelibs bug. Thanks for taking a look at it!
[14:53] <agateau> JontheEchidna: I couldn't stand the idea of living without this applet :)
[14:59] <shadeslayer_> ScottK: Riddell neversfelde congrats to all!!!!
[14:59] <shadeslayer_> now just tell me when the next meeting is ><
[14:59] <ScottK> shadeslayer_: Thanks.
[15:00] <Riddell> that's a good question
[15:00] <Riddell> we should organise one this week
[15:00]  * shadeslayer_ sees that Rossetta has spammed him again :|
[15:00] <Riddell> although I'm out most evenings this week
[15:00] <Riddell> infact out all evenings
[15:01] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: want to help us along by setting up doodle?
[15:01] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: sure thing...
[15:01] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: any specific stuff apart from my membership request? ( i can see agateau requested one too )
[15:01] <NCommander> ScottK: so Rosetta is spamming me as it builds?
[15:01] <NCommander> Great
[15:01] <NCommander> Who the hell invented that "feature"
[15:02] <ScottK> NCommander: That's the archs that have finished.
[15:02] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: not that I know of
[15:02]  * NCommander already got 100 or so emails
[15:02] <NCommander> *sigh*
[15:02] <Riddell> NCommander: someone who doesn't get spammed by it, we moan to dpm on a regular basis and there is a bug but nothing happens
[15:02] <NCommander> Riddell: change the Changelog author to dpm
[15:02] <NCommander> Then upload all of KDE
[15:02] <NCommander> Problem will be solved :-)
[15:03] <shadeslayer_> hahaha :D
[15:03] <shadeslayer_> or lets combine all our rosetta mails and send them to dpm
[15:03] <shadeslayer_> bigger impact ;)
[15:03] <NCommander> to whoever uploads the next lang pack
[15:03] <dpm> oh, c'mon people, I'm not even a LP developer!
[15:03] <NCommander> you know what to do
[15:04] <dpm> I do pass on the poking to the rosetta devs, though
[15:04] <NCommander> dpm: so who should feel/fear our Rosetta messages? ;-)
[15:04] <shadeslayer_> dpm: better have a good filter in your email ready :P
[15:04] <dpm> hahaha
[15:05] <NCommander> shadeslayer_: thats no fun
[15:05] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: i heard the money in GSoC was 5000 USD !!!!!!
[15:05]  * shadeslayer_ could buy 2 cars for $5k
[15:05] <dpm> NCommander, I'm sure you can find who the LP Translations developers are, as I'm sure you know how to set up e-mail filtering :P
[15:06] <NCommander> dpm: yeah, but you don't expect it the first time around
[15:06] <dpm> I know, I know
[15:07] <ScottK> A properly aimed language pack update could get the point accross.
[15:08] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: any ideas where i can poke ofir ?
[15:12] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: do i need to send out invites ? or do i just give you the link?
[15:15] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: ScottK apachelogger neversfelde and the rest KC idk :P : http://www.doodle.com/7b2a2rbdtqb5g3n5
[15:16] <shadeslayer_> ScottK: who else is in KC ?
[15:16] <ScottK> shadeslayer_: There's a team on LP.  Look it up.
[15:16] <ScottK> Riddell: We should have spec review for Maverick on the agenda.
[15:17] <shadeslayer_> JontheEchidna: rgreening http://www.doodle.com/7b2a2rbdtqb5g3n5
[15:17] <shadeslayer_> ScottK: feel free to poke me and ill add it ;)
[15:17] <ScottK> shadeslayer_: Add it.
[15:19] <shadeslayer_> done
[15:23] <shadeslayer_> a|wen: actuall JontheEchidna worked on the package,i merely pointed out that it was up for merging,but he put my name in the changelog :P
[15:23] <shadeslayer_> *actually
[15:24] <JontheEchidna> I did?
[15:24] <shadeslayer_> JontheEchidna: seems so...
[15:24] <shadeslayer_> oh wait it was ScottK :P
[15:24] <shadeslayer_> JontheEchidna: sorry :P
[15:25] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I usually remember when I merge packages :P
[15:25] <a|wen> shadeslayer_: ah, okay ... then it most likely hasn't been done (as he asked me to do it)
[15:26] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: shadeslayer_ pointed out that it had a pending merge and it took me about 1 minute to do, since it was trivial, so I added him to debian/changelog for the merge since noticing it needed doing was more work than doing it.
[15:26]  * shadeslayer_ thinks ScottK is far too kind
[15:26]  * a|wen was a bit confused by the 0ubuntu1 version number and it being merged
[15:27] <JontheEchidna> It had to be -0ubuntu1, since debian didn't have a rc4 package at the time
[15:28] <JontheEchidna> It was a merge, then an immediate diverging from the merge by doing a new upstream release
[15:28] <a|wen> huh, weren't we already up-to date with the latest rc3 package
[15:29] <shadeslayer_> a|wen: there was a mail in the Kubuntu Devel ML about the rc4 package
[15:29] <shadeslayer_> and its benefits :)
[15:29] <a|wen> shadeslayer_: i know ;)
[15:30] <shadeslayer_> :)
[15:30] <shadeslayer_> ok todays bug hug day is focussed on k3b , anyone around to help with triage ?
[15:31] <shadeslayer_> https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-bugs/+packagebugs-search?field.distribution=ubuntu&field.sourcepackagename=k3b&search=Search
[15:31] <a|wen> shadeslayer_: in any case, you didn't do what was on my todo, so i can do it later ;)
[15:31] <shadeslayer_> a|wen: uh... i dont understand ....
[15:32] <a|wen> shadeslayer_: no need to :)
[15:32] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: yeah 5k, when I read that I was thinking about how much more money this would be if one is not austrian :)
[15:33] <shadeslayer_> hehe..
[15:33] <shadeslayer_> translates to 2.5 lacs in INR :P
[15:33] <apachelogger> 5k are like 500 euros or so... silly euro -.-
[15:33] <apachelogger> anyhow
[15:34]  * apachelogger is supposedly getting an A on the HCI course
[15:34] <shadeslayer_> btw any comment on bug 325370 would be welcome,i dont know how to handle this one :)
[15:35] <ScottK> Bug should be upstreamed and upstream should decide (based on the title)
[15:36] <shadeslayer_> ScottK: the issue is that k3b does not pull in the KDE theme sounds etc...
[15:36] <ScottK> Definitely upstream then.
[15:36] <shadeslayer_> well thats what the description mentions anyhow ..
[15:36] <shadeslayer_> ok
[15:36]  * shadeslayer_ notices that no version is mentioned ....
[15:38] <shadeslayer_> kubotu: weather Gurgaon,India
[15:38] <kubotu> Weather info for New Delhi, India (updated on 7:30 PM IST on June 21, 2010); Temperature: 104 F / 40 C; Humidity: 35%; Dew Point: 72 F / 22 C; Wind: ENE at 8 mph / 13 km/h; Pressure: 29.42 in / 996 hPa (Steady); Conditions: Unknown; Visibility: 1.7 miles / 2.8 kilometers; Yesterday's Cooling Degree Days: 41 approx.; Sunrise: 5:25 AM IST; Sunset: 7:22 PM IST; Moon Rise: 2:37 PM IST; Moon Set: 1:05 AM IST; Moon Phase:
[15:38] <kubotu> Waxing Gibbous
[15:38] <shadeslayer_> omg... look at the humidity ....
[15:39] <shadeslayer_> jefferai: any idea how i can clear all buffers in your core?
[15:39] <shadeslayer_> ( of my account )
[15:39] <jefferai> Sput: ^
[15:40] <shadeslayer_> jefferai: /clear doesnt work :P
[15:40]  * shadeslayer_ wonders why bugs.lp doesnt have a "Remove Comment" button
[15:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: data integrity I suppose
[15:42] <shadeslayer_> hmm... true .....
[15:42] <apachelogger> in lp you barely can remove stuff
[15:43] <shadeslayer_> omg... we have bugs dating back to fiesty and gutsy with k3b
[15:44] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: you could have just linked to the meeting schedule in that doodle poll :P
[15:44] <apachelogger> !meeting
[15:44] <apachelogger> ubottu: thank you :*
[15:45] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: ill add it now :)
[15:45] <apachelogger> \o/
[15:45] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_++
[15:45] <shadeslayer_> :D
[15:46] <shadeslayer_> Done
[15:48] <shadeslayer_> anyone have media to test bug 296057 ?
[15:53] <claydoh> is there any rough estimate for the new kubuntu.org site?
[15:53] <shadeslayer> claydoh: we have a testing site up
[15:53] <shadeslayer> claydoh: http://staging.www.kubuntu.org/
[15:54] <claydoh> shadeslayer: I know, nice :) just curious if there was a guestimate on when it goes live
[15:54] <apachelogger> now
[15:54] <apachelogger> seriously
[15:54] <apachelogger> can someone
[15:54] <apachelogger> please
[15:54]  * shadeslayer seriously needs to poke ofir about that...
[15:54] <apachelogger> do something
[15:54] <apachelogger> about that ludicrous ktorrent icon
[15:54] <apachelogger> it makes me all dizzy when I see it
[15:54] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: hehe... put on your ktorrent icon blocking glasses on :P
[15:54] <claydoh> would it be ok to allow the general public to see that link?
[15:55] <apachelogger> claydoh: what for?
[15:55] <shadeslayer> when you open that site in my college you dont see the ktorrent icon, the *torrent* regex is banned :P
[15:55] <apachelogger> I mean, it is generally public, so the general public may look at it, though I fail to see the point in advertising it ;)
[15:55] <claydoh> staging.kubuntu.org
[15:56] <claydoh> apachelogger: that's why I asked :)
[15:56] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: supposedly you do not learn about torrents then ;)
[15:56] <apachelogger> claydoh: why? :P
[15:56]  * apachelogger is not very fast today
[15:56] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: all the students leeched the crap out of the college server before the regex was banned :P
[15:57] <claydoh> ap neither am I , and not very clear with my thoughts
[15:57] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: lol, we have quotas for that :P
[15:57] <shadeslayer> now usually when i have huge ubuntu upgrades,in the order of 500 MB,i take my laptop to the college and download like heck
[15:57] <shadeslayer> get speeds of 500 KBps :P
[15:58] <apachelogger> ^^
[15:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: cool... i guess our sysadmins are a bit lagging :P
[15:58] <apachelogger> well
[15:58] <apachelogger> the key management system of our university was down for 10h straight...
[15:58] <claydoh> apachelogger: just trying to se what sorts of titbits and gossip I can pass on to the kfn without creating havoc
[15:58] <apachelogger> tells a lot about the admins
[15:59] <apachelogger> claydoh: you better do not pass that there
[15:59] <apachelogger> remember how ignorant people are about reading :/
[15:59] <apachelogger> it might be better suited to just distribute screenshots
[16:00] <apachelogger> especially since staging is not usable in either case
[16:00] <claydoh> apachelogger: which is why I should have just asked more clearly for a rough guess on when it will go live :)
[16:00] <apachelogger> claydoh: the rough guess was some months ago to be around release :P
[16:01] <apachelogger> last thing I know it was just blocked on sysadmins doing things
[16:01] <apachelogger> and sysadmins are always super busy
[16:01] <apachelogger> so...
[16:01] <jtechidna> Oh my dpkg, it actually used to look like this: https://help.ubuntu.com/5.10/kubuntu/images/C/kubuntu-kynaptic.png
[16:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: sysadmins for kubuntu site didnt know how to use drupal 6 ( or whatever the new version is )
[16:01] <shadeslayer> whoa... wiki seems to be down
[16:01] <apachelogger> ^^
[16:01] <apachelogger> well
[16:01] <shadeslayer> The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later.
[16:01] <apachelogger> the wiki is made out of python
[16:02] <apachelogger> so it must go down regularly for repairs :P
[16:02] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: moin moin == python?
[16:02] <apachelogger> I very much think so
[16:02] <shadeslayer> ah...
[16:02] <apachelogger> whereas twiki == perl
[16:02]  * shadeslayer hates python now too
[16:02] <apachelogger> twiki is rather fancy from a technology POV IMHO
[16:02] <apachelogger> the usage paradigms are all weird though
[16:02] <shadeslayer> moin moin doesnt recognize my Time Zone...
[16:03] <apachelogger> OTOH it uses HTTP where possible
[16:03] <apachelogger> i.e. I think it does not have it's own auth support but uses http authing
[16:03] <JontheEchidna> http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktoplj1416-jpg.jpg (If the wiki's down)
[16:03] <apachelogger> also you do not have a "back from editing review" button but just use the browser's back feature
[16:04] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: is this your new ui?
[16:04] <apachelogger> I love it
[16:04] <JontheEchidna> lol
[16:04] <JontheEchidna> [11:01:22] <jtechidna> Oh my dpkg, it actually used to look like this:
[16:04] <JontheEchidna> We've come a long way in 5 years
[16:04] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: me wants the start icon!
[16:05] <apachelogger> wellllll
[16:05] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: if the toolbar had sensible icon size + text it would be half bad
[16:05] <apachelogger> seems rather straight forward
[16:05] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: shtylman gave it to me at UDS. One sec
[16:05] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: sure
[16:05]  * shadeslayer is bored of the KDE one
[16:06] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you really should be using qtassistant or qtcreator BTW
[16:06] <apachelogger> using assistant with Qt and KDE API made me 200% more efficient
[16:06]  * apachelogger also uses it for larger university projects too ^^
[16:06] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: stupid qtcreator doesnt pick up the installed examples here
[16:07] <apachelogger> well
[16:07]  * shadeslayer has qt4-doc-html installed :P
[16:07] <apachelogger> usually that is more like stupid packagers, but oh my :P
[16:07] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-kubuntulogo-png.png
[16:07] <apachelogger> oi oi oi
[16:08]  * apachelogger needs to talk about his TCP & HTTP implementions in half an hour
[16:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ok i packaged the beta2 release for qtcreator...
[16:08] <shadeslayer> any idea what may have gone wrong?
[16:08] <apachelogger> wrong path somewhere
[16:08] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: check the code for where it would be looking for the examples
[16:09] <apachelogger> then search for a way to change it to where we have them
[16:09] <JontheEchidna> filtering on installed packages in the KDE category \o/ http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktoprp1416-jpg.jpg
[16:10] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: ++
[16:10] <shadeslayer> love the new GUI
[16:10] <shadeslayer> adept? you have adept installed? lol.........
[16:10] <JontheEchidna> don't knock the adept
[16:10] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: where did that name come from?
[16:11] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: Following the "name your kapp after subatomic particles" fad, plus "Mooooooo" goes the supercow
[16:11] <apachelogger> Mooouon :P
[16:11] <JontheEchidna> exactly!
[16:11] <apachelogger> well then call it Muoon :P
[16:12] <apachelogger> make the icon be a cow
[16:12] <apachelogger> then everyone is happy ;)
[16:12] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: a cow with blue patches :P
[16:12] <JontheEchidna> I will put an easter egg of a cow mooing, activatable by Crtl+M+U
[16:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: then you can change  the icon to one with pink patches in fluffy :P
[16:12]  * apachelogger likes that
[16:13] <apachelogger> how about just going with purple :P
[16:13] <JontheEchidna> The easter egg is a must-have, blocker feature of 1.0!
[16:13] <apachelogger> http://www.kraftfoods.de/kraft/images/dede1/pictures/3_2_2milka_kuh_72.jpg
[16:13] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I agree
[16:13] <apachelogger> http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/25000/Milka-Cow--25254.jpg
[16:13] <JontheEchidna> Btw, I'm thinking of doing a custom widget for the sidebar
[16:14] <shadeslayer> heh.. i heard there was a gay parade in berlin this saturday....
[16:14] <apachelogger> as long as you use CSS + SVG for it
[16:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: poor cow....
[16:14] <JontheEchidna> A frame widget with properly-aligned text, with sunken-frame buttons that hide/show the list views
[16:14] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: there always is a gay parade in berlin, just that only sometimes they actively promote it :P
[16:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: hehe :)
[16:15]  * shadeslayer clones qtcreator git to check issues
[16:15] <apachelogger> http://www.csd-berlin.de/
[16:15] <dantti> How do I install kubuntu using the text installer?
[16:15] <apachelogger> client side decorations ftw!
[16:15] <Riddell> dantti: you need the "alternate" CD image
[16:15] <apachelogger> dantti: you need to download the alternate CD
[16:15] <dantti> :(
[16:15] <shadeslayer> dantti: the alternate CD will install the GUI as well...
[16:15] <dantti> really?
[16:16] <shadeslayer> dantti: yes :P
[16:16] <shadeslayer> basically its for older machines ...
[16:16] <dantti> shadeslayer: no I mean really I have to download another cd? just for that
[16:16] <shadeslayer> dantti: uh.. why not use the live CD ?
[16:16] <dantti> It's a brand new vaio
[16:16] <apachelogger> those that make brrrrrrrrRRRR when you turn them on ^^
[16:16] <dantti> The screen get black after I type enter
[16:16]  * shadeslayer hasnt touched some CD's in a while...
[16:17] <shadeslayer> dantti: yes you will have to wait a while...
[16:17] <apachelogger> dantti: mabe you need some funky startup parameter for ACPI or something
[16:17] <dantti> shadeslayer: I waited a looots of while
[16:17] <JontheEchidna> heh, you'll find the most interesting things in package managers... didn't know that kubuntu had done GSoC in the past: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopox1416-jpg.jpg
[16:17] <shadeslayer> that too :P
[16:17] <dantti> apachelogger: vga=771 noacpi... nothing of that worked
[16:17] <shadeslayer> dantti: try nomodset as well
[16:17] <dantti> the screen seems actually to have turned off
[16:18] <apachelogger> most odd
[16:18] <shadeslayer> dantti: 0_o
[16:18] <shadeslayer> that happened to me 2 boots ago... but then i have maverick
[16:18] <apachelogger> dantti: I would ask the google and download an alternate image meanwhile
[16:19] <apachelogger> chances are that the alternate image will not start either, if it really is a problem with under the hood stuff
[16:19] <ulysses> JontheEchidna: Nice screenshot
[16:19] <dantti> apachelogger: yeah I'm doing that right now but i really think both should be in the same cd
[16:19] <ScottK> dantti: The alternate CD uses D-I for the installer, so it should look familiar.
[16:19] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: a very useful tool I suppose ^^
[16:19] <apachelogger> dantti: the livecd does not use d-i, does d-i even cope with livecd images?
[16:19] <ScottK> apachelogger: But it may be possible with the alternate to get it installed enough that it can be fixed after install.
[16:19] <Riddell> dantti: the CDs are completely different formats, d-i uses .deb files
[16:20] <Riddell> the live CD is a full image
[16:20] <apachelogger> what should be happening though is that someone writes a ncurses interface for ubiquity
[16:20] <apachelogger> IMHO
[16:20] <dantti> Riddell: hmmm i see
[16:20] <Riddell> the DVD contains both for those who really want
[16:20] <ScottK> apachelogger: There is a D-I live CD capability in Debian, but, AIUI, it's completely different than what we use.
[16:20] <dantti> btw this vaio has a GeForce G210M
[16:20] <apachelogger> well, it probably is not written in python :P
[16:21] <shadeslayer> haha
[16:22] <JontheEchidna> ulysses: btw, it's in playground/sysadmin/muon, but beware that strings may undergo heavy changes, etc, etc
[16:22] <Quintasan> \o
[16:22] <dantti> I'll try nomodset when I get home then..
[16:22] <shadeslayer> hmm.. anyone with maverick confirm this : open k3b > Settings > Configure k3b > k3b dies
[16:23] <ulysses> JontheEchidna: I'll take a look at it ^^
[16:23] <ScottK> NCommander: -workspace did build, so congratulations.
[16:23] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: is k3b latest rc btw?
[16:23] <Riddell> ScottK: I never doubted him
[16:23] <shadeslayer> yep
[16:23] <dantti> It was fun, I could not install kubuntu on my wife's laptop and she could not use w7 because after i restarted the password to login didn't work :P
[16:24] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: yeah
[16:24] <shadeslayer> me gets this : http://pastebin.com/HxBvZZu7
[16:24] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: it dies for me too
[16:24] <ScottK> Riddell: Me neither.  I wasn't worried about NCommander fix, just if there were any undiscovered land mines remaining.
[16:24] <shadeslayer> bug reporting time :)
[16:25]  * shadeslayer wonders how to use uscan
[16:25] <Quintasan> dantti: w7 bootscreen is allergic to kubuntu :P
[16:25] <apachelogger> oh, btw, if anyone wants to look into app startup time improvements, to me it would seem that the key to that is called KConfig* ;)
[16:25] <apachelogger> http://imagebin.ca/view/qufKsXmG.html
[16:25] <dantti> Quintasan: :P
[16:26] <Quintasan> apachelogger: wtf is this?
[16:26] <apachelogger> callgrind log of dolphin startup
[16:27] <shadeslayer> hmm.. better info : http://pastebin.com/a6HT74K1
[16:27] <ScottK> apachelogger: I have a vague recollection that maybe agateau knows about fixing KConfig.
[16:27] <apachelogger> 4092 calls to kconfiginibackend::parseconig seemed to translate to >500k to it's printabletostring()
[16:27] <apachelogger> supposedly even little performance improvements could make a big difference here :)
[16:28] <Quintasan> hmm
[16:29] <Quintasan> network manager is dead here
[16:29] <agateau> ScottK: I worked  a bit on kconfig_update, but I don't know much of the KConfig code :/
[16:29] <Quintasan> I have to use sudo dhclient each time after a reboot
[16:29]  * apachelogger likes the look of massiv-visualiser though :D
[16:29] <apachelogger> http://imagebin.ca/view/le3wLD.html
[16:29] <apachelogger> most fancy
[16:29] <ScottK> agateau: I think that makes you our expert.
[16:29] <agateau> :)
[16:30] <apachelogger> also what I came to notice, a lot of the heap usage before the very prominent peek towards the midddle of the drawing is from QByteArray's via KConfigIniBackend
[16:30] <Quintasan> hngh why the hell KNetworkManager says Network Management disabled
[16:30] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: yeah that happens
[16:30] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: reboot or something :P
[16:30] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: that happens each reboot
[16:31] <shadeslayer> hmm... ive seen that issue
[16:31] <Quintasan> makes my day a little bit more exasparating
[16:32] <shadeslayer> bug 596926
[16:32] <Quintasan> hmm
[16:32] <Quintasan> we are missing libkmahjongg
[16:32] <Quintasan> kajongg is not working :<
[16:32] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: really?
[16:32] <ulysses> hu/messages/playground-sysadmin/muon.po ready^^
[16:33] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: yeah
[16:33] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: what does it say?
[16:33] <shadeslayer> hehe...
[16:34] <Quintasan> http://pastebin.ca/1887772
[16:34]  * shadeslayer gets to work..
[16:35]  * Quintasan pats shadeslayer
[16:35] <Quintasan> I want to do some ron's
[16:35] <shadeslayer> ron's ?
[16:35] <Quintasan> ron
[16:35] <Quintasan> is what you say when you win on anothers players tile in mahjongg
[16:36] <shadeslayer> ah ok..
[16:36] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: btw can you open a bug with that package?
[16:36] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: sure thing
[16:36] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: also lucid or maverick?
[16:36] <Quintasan> lucid
[16:37]  * shadeslayer checks on maverick
[16:38] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: does kmahjongg work fine?
[16:39] <shadeslayer> yep same thing on maverick -.-
[16:40] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: try installing libkdegames5
[16:40] <Quintasan> works
[16:40] <shadeslayer> w00t
[16:40] <Quintasan> it should at depend on it
[16:41] <shadeslayer> need to add a dep on kajongg :)
[16:41] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: file bug on dep problem :)
[16:41] <shadeslayer> and assign me to it... so that i dont forget... have to go and have dinner for now :)
[16:44] <Riddell> "/root/koffice/koffice-2.2.0/obj-i686-linux-gnu/libs/main/../../../libs/main/KoTemplateCreateDia.cpp:353: undefined reference to `KIO::file_copy(KUrl const&, KUrl const&, QFlags<KIO::JobFlag>)'
[16:44] <Riddell> "
[16:44] <Riddell> waa, koffice won't compile
[16:48] <ScottK> Riddell: Also it looks like koffice is hopeless for ia64 due to llvm not being supported on that architecture.  It should probably be made not to try.
[16:50] <NCommander> ScottK: why does koffice depend on llvm?!
[16:50] <ScottK> NCommander: No idea.
[16:50] <ScottK> It doesn't directly.
[16:51] <ScottK> koffice -> libopenctl-dev -> llvm
[16:51] <ScottK> Perhaps it can be worked around, I didn't look.
[16:54] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1140834 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/ (backend.cpp backend.h) Add a method to get a list of all packages marked for change.
[16:55] <JontheEchidna> http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktoprg1416-jpg.jpg
[16:57] <ScottK> kdesudo's documentation needs to be ported to the current docbook dtd.  It's currently FTBFS due to this.
[16:58]  * JontheEchidna off to lunch
[16:58] <yuriy_work> looks oddly like adept updater
[16:58] <JontheEchidna> yuriy_work: ;)
[16:59] <JontheEchidna> It doesn't use the extendy-items though. gonna have to put a tabwidget under there like the main view. (But maybe restrict it to changleog/package description)
[17:00]  * JontheEchidna really off to lunch
[17:17] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: got a bug number for me?
[17:17] <shadeslayer> nvm
[17:17] <shadeslayer> :)
[17:18] <shadeslayer> Riddell: around to sponsor a upload?
[17:19] <Riddell> shadeslayer: could do
[17:20] <shadeslayer> Riddell: do you need the debdiff?
[17:20] <shadeslayer> small change...
[17:23] <Riddell> shadeslayer: well I can't upload without it :)
[17:24] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=uJ3GzEMU
[17:25] <Riddell> hmm, why doesn't that get picked up by shlibs?
[17:25] <shadeslayer> Riddell: no idea.. had to manually add it :(
[17:27] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what happens if you don't have it installed?
[17:27] <shadeslayer> Riddell: kajongg doesnt run :P
[17:28] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/6Hv4Nx3V
[17:28] <shadeslayer> i wonder if all the other apps complain about it too
[17:29] <Riddell> that's kdegames-mahjongg-data which is missing then
[17:36] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: Closes: #596932 ->  Closes: LP: #596932
[17:36] <Riddell> else it won't close the bug
[17:36] <Riddell> shtylman: yo, has anything happened with the instsaller?
[17:37] <shtylman> Riddell: nope
[17:37] <shtylman> I think they are still flushing out gui ideas
[17:37] <shtylman> and ev is poking around with the backend
[17:37] <Riddell> shtylman: what needs to be done to move to single CD for desktop and netbook?
[17:38] <shtylman> Riddell: from what I remember from our talks... just having a plugin that would decide if the user should get netbook or desktop
[17:38] <shtylman> (based on some criteria)
[17:38] <Riddell> screen size
[17:39] <shtylman> most likely
[17:39] <shtylman> we can also detect processor and whatnot
[17:39] <shtylman> but for starters, screen size seems reasonable
[17:39] <Riddell> do you know where such a plugin would be added?
[17:40] <shtylman> unless I am mistaken, it could be the first plugin... since it doesn't have a screen to show.. or it could be the last
[17:40] <shtylman> it is a silent plugin
[17:41] <shtylman> I am just wondering how it would influence what desktop gets loaded
[17:41] <shtylman> I know the rc file has to be edited
[17:41] <Riddell> yes, sed command on /etc/kde4rc
[17:41] <shtylman> but what could actually do that... I need to remember (or just ask cjwatson)
[17:41] <shtylman> but it shouldn't hard either way
[17:43] <Riddell> shtylman: are you able to look into that soon?  it would be nice to get it done for alpha 2?
[17:44] <shtylman> Riddell: indeed I can... has the cd size come down? :)
[17:44] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: kdegames uploaded
[17:44] <Riddell> amd64 at a reasonable 681M
[17:44] <shtylman> nice
[17:44] <shtylman> with games?
[17:44] <Riddell> no langpacks in there and no games or plasma-netbook
[17:44] <shtylman> cause you know how I feel about games :)
[17:44] <shtylman> :'(
[17:46] <Riddell> shtylman: so get ubiquity running sed at the correct time and I'll add your games to the seeds :)
[17:48]  * apachelogger got an A on his computer and network technology practical \\o/
[17:50] <ScottK> Riddell: We'd need to do some surgery on the netbook seeds to get it to fit.  It's also shipping all the bits to get bcmwl working and that's not small.
[17:51] <ScottK> Riddell: Did you see the i386 live CD build failures due to NM and the plasmoid conflicting in an unhealth way?
[17:53] <Riddell> ScottK: what's bcmwl?
[17:53] <Riddell> ScottK: not seen that yet was on my list of things to investigate today not sure if I'll get around to it
[17:53] <Riddell> apachelogger: I never doubted you :)
[17:54] <ScottK> Riddell: It's the Broadcom wireless drivers.  Broadcom is very common on netbooks.
[17:54] <ScottK> (they are in restricted, and you need dkms, gcc, and some other fun stuff)
[17:55] <jjesse> and it makes building your netbook from scratch in a place you have wireless only access super fun ;)
[17:55] <ScottK> The fact that it's on the image makes is "possible".
[17:56] <Riddell> ScottK: it's in the ship-live seed, doesn't look netbook specific
[17:56] <ScottK> Oh.  Maybe they all have that.
[17:57] <ScottK> I've only ever needed it for netbooks, so made a bad assumption.
[17:58] <ScottK> One of the original reasons I included games/edu stuff in Netbook is that the catagory list in search and launch was hard coded.  It's controllable now.
[17:58] <shtylman> Riddell: sounds fair :)
[18:24] <shadeslayer> \o
[18:36] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: awesome,thanks for upload :)
[18:37] <shadeslayer_> Quintasan|Szel: fix released ;)
[18:37] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: bug 325370 forwarded upstream
[18:46] <KRF> bug 325370 seems to be a really good idea btw ;)
[18:46] <shadeslayer_> KRF: already forwarded upstream ;)
[18:47] <shadeslayer_> KRF: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=242395
[18:47] <shadeslayer_> i was wondering if someone could set it as wishlist tho...
[18:49] <ScottK> shadeslayer_: Done.
[18:50] <shadeslayer_> ScottK: thanks
[18:50] <shadeslayer_> ScottK: one more favour :)
[18:50] <shadeslayer_> ScottK: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=8319
[18:51] <shadeslayer_> first comment last 2 lines
[18:51] <shadeslayer_> does he mean i have to put a debain/watch file or modify debian/rules
[18:52] <shadeslayer_> ScottK: oh the guy who commented just responded on MOTU
[18:52] <ScottK> shadeslayer_: Modify debian/rules
[18:52] <ScottK> OK
[19:18]  * apachelogger recommends the c++ haxx0rs to take a look at http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qstring.html#more-efficient-string-construction
[19:21] <bulldog98> apachelogger: why isn’t that included in all kdelib headers
[19:22] <apachelogger> becuase headers ought not to contain all sorts of junk as to reduce compile time ;)
[19:25]  * Quintasan needs to attend this Qt lecture during KTD
[19:25] <Quintasan> apachelogger: any PROTIPs about what should I do after learning some Qt?
[19:27] <apachelogger> Quintasan: do stuff? ^^
[19:27] <apachelogger> eek
[19:28] <shadeslayer_> Quintasan: program a app to take over the world
[19:28] <shadeslayer_> and name it kletstakeovertheworld :P
[19:29] <apachelogger>     char h[] = "hello";
[19:29] <apachelogger>     QLatin1Literal l = QLatin1Literal(h);
[19:29] <apachelogger> will NOT work
[19:29] <apachelogger> not that I would get why, but it does not work ^^
[19:29] <shadeslayer_> btw the Qt lecture will be on basics right?
[19:29] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: yes
[19:30] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: awesome... im learning bits and pieces right now :P
[19:30] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: there is also one about QML which is more interesting if one already knows the basics ;)
[19:30]  * apachelogger notes that having them scheduled the other way around would make more sense though *shrug*
[19:30] <shadeslayer> well.. first basics,,, :)
[19:30] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: QML is first? -.-
[19:30] <apachelogger> IIRC
[19:30] <apachelogger> good bye amarok
[19:30] <apachelogger> segfault++
[19:31] <shadeslayer> hehe
[19:31]  * shadeslayer needs to correct qtcreator in maverick too...
[19:33] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: my best app is KTrollface
[19:33] <Quintasan> QTrollface rather
[19:33] <tsimpson> apachelogger: what about it doesn't work (assuming you mean QLatin1String)?
[19:34] <apachelogger> tsimpson: see the url I posted earlier :P
[19:34] <apachelogger> tsimpson: I mean literally literal :P
[19:34] <tsimpson> apachelogger: yeah, I should read backlog before I reply ;)
[19:34] <apachelogger>     QString fName = fileName();
[19:34] <apachelogger>     fName = fName.mid(fName.lastIndexOf('/')+1);
[19:34] <apachelogger> this is rather funky I must say
[19:36] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I might be a bit stupid now but somehow I can't understand why things like trollImage = new QLabel; work
[19:36] <Quintasan> shouldn't it be QLabel *trollimage?
[19:36]  * Quintasan is used to using pointers with new
[19:36] <tsimpson> Quintasan:  "this->" is optional
[19:36] <tsimpson> so it's probably a member var
[19:36] <apachelogger> not if trollImage is a member
[19:36]  * maco is not used to languages that both have pointers and have new
[19:37] <maco> (*references* on the other hand...)
[19:37] <apachelogger> if it is a member it is declared in the header (usually ;))
[19:37] <apachelogger> if not you have it scoped to the block it is in
[19:37] <apachelogger> and declare&define it in that block
[19:37] <Quintasan> argh
[19:37] <Quintasan> I do have it in header file
[19:37] <maco> (no i still havent figured out what makes a java reference different from a c pointer... crimsun_ had some esoteric computer scientist explanation for it that he tried to give me 2 yr before i took programming paradigms...which im doing now)
[19:37] <apachelogger> so you can have QLabel *trollImage = new QLabel;
[19:37] <tsimpson> references are like pointers, except they are guaranteed not to be null and are automatically dereferenced
[19:37] <apachelogger> that is however not the same as a QLabel *trollImage; in the header
[19:38] <shadeslayer_> btw any idea how to clear buffers in quassel with a command? all buffers at the same time...
[19:38]  * apachelogger mostly dislikes references :P
[19:39] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I have "QLabel *trollImage;" in troll.h and I use it like " trollImage = new QLabel;" then, it's a reference, right?
[19:39] <tsimpson> references are useful when you want to say "Hey, I'm going to modify one of the objects you pass to me"
[19:39] <apachelogger> no
[19:39] <tsimpson> and your object is not likely to already be a pointer
[19:39] <apachelogger> Quintasan: referneces aint got nothing to do with your problem :P
[19:39]  * Quintasan has polish book on cpp and they use some stupid made up terms for this
[19:39] <apachelogger> well, mostly
[19:39] <apachelogger> QLabel &foobar; in the header
[19:39] <apachelogger> would be a reference
[19:40] <hyperair> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pm-utils/+bug/589916 <-- someone please reassign this to the correct package.
[19:40] <hyperair> i don't know which part of kubuntu handles this
[19:40] <apachelogger> and as tsimpson said earlier, references must not be null, so foobar would have to be initialized in the ctor's initializer list or the compiler will jump at you and try to eat your head or stuff
[19:40] <apachelogger> what you have is a proper pointer
[19:41] <Quintasan> omfg this sound so complicated
[19:41] <Quintasan> let me get the basics straight first @_@
[19:41] <tsimpson> it's not that bad, once you get used to it
[19:41] <tsimpson> but generally you don't need to bother with references, except for passing objects about to functions
[19:41] <Quintasan> the problem is, I want to understand all this all at once and it usually ends up like "WTF is this? I've had enough, I'm going to play somethin"
[19:42]  * apachelogger notes that proper Qt hackers will not use references though :P
[19:42] <tsimpson> apachelogger: btw, this works as expected here: int main() { char h[] = "hello"; QLatin1Literal s(h); std::cout << s.data() << '\n' }
[19:42] <tsimpson> ie: "5 hello"
[19:42] <apachelogger> IIRC they even mention that in their coding policy
[19:42] <apachelogger> tsimpson: doesnt want to compile here
[19:42] <tsimpson> er, std::cout << s.size() << ' ' << s.data() << '\n';
[19:43] <apachelogger> tsimpson: are you on Qt 4.7?
[19:43] <tsimpson> no 4.6.2 at the moment
[19:43] <tsimpson> I would upgrade, but I only just got lucid working here
[19:43] <tsimpson> I don't want to tempt fate
[19:43] <apachelogger> maybe 4.7 is the problem then *shrug*
[19:45] <apachelogger> Quintasan: there is nothing wrong with understanding all at once, but you need to take the time to understand :P
[19:46] <tsimpson> although, neither QLatin1Literal not anything in qstringbuilder.h is listed in the 4.6 API docs...
[19:46] <apachelogger> tsimpson: also see the url I pasted above :P
[19:46] <Quintasan> noow, what should I code...
[19:46] <apachelogger> Quintasan: a nethack clone ;)
[19:46] <Quintasan> @_@
[19:46] <apachelogger> good exercise of design too
[19:47] <Quintasan> ya want me to die from brain overload?
[19:47] <Quintasan> :P
[19:47] <tsimpson> apachelogger: yes, but as I said, I have 4.6. so how do I have that class and header?
[19:47] <apachelogger> Quintasan: well, its only like 5k of Qt
[19:47] <apachelogger> or ~8k of C++ STL
[19:47] <Quintasan> that's 4,999 lines too much
[19:47] <apachelogger> also depending on how much you want to implement :)
[19:47] <apachelogger> tsimpson: it was introduced in 4.6
[19:48] <tsimpson> but it's not in the documentation of 4.6
[19:48] <apachelogger> "There is nothing wrong with either of these string constructions, but there are a few hidden inefficiencies. Beginning with Qt 4.6, you can eliminate them."
[19:48] <tsimpson> oh, I missed the "internal" word in the description
[19:49] <tsimpson> so it was a easter egg
[19:49] <apachelogger> "In 4.6, an internal template class QStringBuilder has been added along with a few helper functions. This class is marked internal and does not appear in the documentation, because you aren't meant to instantiate it in your code. Its use will be automatic, as described below. The class is found in src/corelib/tools/qstringbuilder.cpp if you want to have a look at it."
[19:49] <tsimpson> apachelogger: yeah, I got a little lost in the context
[19:49] <apachelogger> :P
[19:49] <apachelogger> http://git.kde.org/
[19:49] <apachelogger> all hail the git!
[19:49] <Quintasan> crap
[19:50]  * apachelogger thinks that needs the brand0ring
[19:50] <apachelogger> Quintasan: want me to write you a spec for a nethack clone :P
[19:50] <Quintasan> I want to compile m Qt apps to windows but there is no guide about cross compiling
[19:50] <Quintasan> apachelogger: hell no, I'm going to die after seeing it
[19:50] <apachelogger> lol
[19:50] <apachelogger> Quintasan: http://silmor.de/29
[19:51] <apachelogger> also it ought to be mentioned that compiling natively is a better idea usually
[19:51] <Quintasan> so installing a damn windows in a vm is a must?
[19:52] <tsimpson> apachelogger: thought, the definition of QLatin1Literal looks exactly the same in 4.6 and git
[19:52] <apachelogger> Quintasan: probably
[19:52] <apachelogger> tsimpson: then I do not know
[19:52] <apachelogger> maybe it is some define in KDE or Qt
[19:53] <apachelogger> anyhow
[19:53] <apachelogger> for now a QLatin1String will suffice
[19:53] <apachelogger> it only causes one additional qstrlen call anyway
[19:53] <apachelogger> if I understood this correctly that is
[19:54]  * apachelogger is currently more concerned with how to inject desktop_foo translation catalogs into klocale at lookup time without doing it a bazillion times for no good reason :/
[19:56] <Quintasan> anyone knows when we can expect the next uds?
[19:57] <Quintasan> if it's before march then I'm going to stay in queue for sure >_<
[19:57] <apachelogger> Quintasan: I think there were dates proposed on ubuntu-devel earlier this month
[19:58] <Quintasan> oh man, I hope it's after 19th of March.
[19:58] <apachelogger> Quintasan: well it will not, because it will be october/novemberish :P
[19:58] <Quintasan> this year?! FFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUU-
[19:59] <apachelogger>      11.04 UDS - October 25-29 (2010)
[19:59] <apachelogger>        11.10 UDS - May 9-13 (2011)
[19:59] <apachelogger>        12.04 UDS - October 24-28 (2011)
[19:59] <Quintasan> oh god
[19:59] <Quintasan> 11.10 UDS - May 9-13 (2011) is probably for me
[19:59] <Quintasan> as I'm still a minor they won't take me :P
[20:01] <apachelogger> this is discrimination
[20:01] <jjesse> stop being a minor :)
[20:02] <Quintasan> jjesse: are you implying that I should get some nice fake papers? :P
[20:02] <jjesse> nope
[20:02] <jjesse> not at all
[20:04] <Quintasan> apachelogger: well, it's just a year of wait after all
[20:04] <Quintasan> It's not like not being there makes any difference for the development :P
[20:05] <apachelogger> Quintasan: I refuse to attend for years, so ... :P
[20:06] <Quintasan> I'm starting to like KRunner
[20:06] <Quintasan> but the task-oriented version
[20:06] <Quintasan> QuickSand, was it?
[20:06] <ScottK> Quintasan: They've taken minors before.
[20:06] <Quintasan> it's a little bit unstable when searching for songs in amarok
[20:07] <Quintasan> ScottK: I get the idea that I'm in queue because of that.
[20:07] <Quintasan> But I can be wrong
[20:07] <apachelogger> Quintasan: no no, that unstability comes from amarok :P
[20:07] <Quintasan> apachelogger: go fix it then
[20:07] <Quintasan> :P
[20:07] <Quintasan> why the hell it is soo slow and unstable?
[20:08] <Quintasan> like parsing a playlist should be damn fast cause it's text
[20:09] <apachelogger> parsing?
[20:09] <apachelogger> as in loading a playlist file or what?
[20:09] <Quintasan> apachelogger: urgh I mean processing it, like when searching for certain track in a whole playlist
[20:10] <apachelogger> depends on the size of the playlist most importantly
[20:10] <apachelogger> +
[20:10] <apachelogger> it is not just text in that context
[20:10] <apachelogger> more precisely it is probably a data model
[20:10] <Quintasan> >2629 tracks
[20:10] <Quintasan> :O
[20:10] <apachelogger> that is too large a playlist to begin wiht
[20:11] <apachelogger> you are abusing your playlist as collectoin
[20:11] <apachelogger> *collection
[20:12] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I don't think so. In first place, why other players do it BLAZINGLY fast?
[20:12] <Quintasan> Like, EVEN winamp can do it very quickly with even 10k tracks in playlist
[20:12] <apachelogger> winamp
[20:12] <apachelogger> was designed to do exactly that
[20:13] <apachelogger> because winamp was not designed to have a collection
[20:13] <apachelogger> winamp does playlists VERY different from most other players
[20:13] <Quintasan> I am sure that winamp has collections
[20:13] <Quintasan> Known as Media Library
[20:13] <apachelogger> that paradigm was introduced later on
[20:13] <apachelogger> originally winamp had a playlist and that was it
[20:13] <jjesse> you had to save each playlist seperatly
[20:13] <apachelogger> and that is also why people who used winamp insist on using their playlist like a collection :P
[20:14] <jjesse> and load that file when you wnated to listen to it
[20:14] <Quintasan> apachelogger: okay, so if I want to listen to a ceratin track I have to do TWO things now, at least via KRunner
[20:14] <Quintasan> search for the track -> Add to Playlist
[20:14] <Quintasan> and then search for it and Play
[20:15] <apachelogger> that is a limitation of krunner then?
[20:15] <apachelogger> there should be like search&play
[20:15] <apachelogger> IIRC even the dolphin context menus did/do support that
[20:15] <Quintasan> let me clear my play list and try it
[20:15] <Quintasan> I think even adding to playlist is not working
[20:16] <Quintasan> ofc
[20:16] <Quintasan> apachelogger: when a track is not on my playlist the runner won't even care too look for it in the collection ^_^
[20:16] <Quintasan> hmmm
[20:17] <apachelogger> well, the runner was most likley not designed to replace the amarok UI :P
[20:17] <Quintasan> crashed
[20:17] <Quintasan> hmm
[20:17] <Quintasan> but
[20:17] <Quintasan> at least it should be able to do search and play or add to queue, right?
[20:18] <apachelogger> that entirely depends on what it was intent for :P
[20:18] <Quintasan> beats me :D
[20:18]  * apachelogger thinks that searching stuff from the collection is really advanced and currently not even possible via the existing dbus interface
[20:18] <Quintasan> well it works
[20:19] <Quintasan> but is, let's say unstable and a little bit too slow
[20:19] <apachelogger> so what can it do with stuff it found?
[20:19] <Quintasan> play, add to queue, add to playlist
[20:19] <dantti> Riddell: how much work would be needed to stop using "whaterver" you use now to install lang packs, codecs and use KPK, because I was using kubuntu behind a proxy and could not install those stuff (since it didn't read the proxy kde settings) and python apt backend didn't work either (dunno why)
[20:20] <Quintasan> apachelogger: my main problem is the speed of it
[20:20] <Quintasan> what's the point of indexing in nepomuk or in amarok when searching takes like 10 seconds?
[20:20] <Quintasan> I would navigate to it faster that that
[20:20] <apachelogger> 10 seconds?
[20:20] <Quintasan> For my collection, yes
[20:20] <apachelogger> how much music do you have in your collection?
[20:20] <Quintasan> For files on my drive too
[20:21] <apachelogger> I mean, mysql mostly performs like crap compared to psql :P
[20:21] <apachelogger> but not that bad
[20:21] <Quintasan> 4,798 files
[20:21] <dantti> apachelogger: specially for small dbs :P
[20:21] <Quintasan> - covers would be about 4,6k
[20:22] <apachelogger> 5k is nothing
[20:22] <apachelogger> dantti: aight ;)
[20:22] <apachelogger> Quintasan: there must be something wrong with your setup
[20:23] <apachelogger> I get results from my 10k collection in like 3 seconds
[20:23] <Quintasan> apachelogger: like, what can be wrong with my setup? clean kde 4.5 with new shiny stable amarok
[20:23]  * apachelogger notes that amarok does loads of expensive queries he has been told
[20:23] <apachelogger> Quintasan: using a beta release maybe? :P
[20:23] <Quintasan> hah
[20:23] <Quintasan> stable kde was even worse
[20:23] <Quintasan> the nepomuk is faster now
[20:24] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1140906 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/backend.cpp Reloading the cache after a worker is finished is something that should be left to the app to do, to have full control of when to do so to prevent crashing.
[20:24] <Quintasan> but it fails to show some files
[20:24] <apachelogger> nepomuk != amarok though
[20:24] <Quintasan> I know that
[20:25] <Quintasan> LOL
[20:25] <Quintasan> "Nepomuk stopped indexing to save battery power"
[20:25] <Quintasan> on a PC?
[20:28] <shadeslayer_> Quintasan: 0_o
[20:28] <Quintasan> oh well
[20:28] <shadeslayer_> Quintasan: well it automatically stops after it thinks it has had enough
[20:28] <Quintasan> when I enable indexing it crashes
[20:28] <Quintasan> :S
[20:29] <shadeslayer_> no right click in systray here :|
[20:29] <shadeslayer_> and now plasma crashed
[20:29] <Quintasan> apachelogger: how much memory do you have in nepomuk's settings?
[20:29] <apachelogger> default
[20:30] <Quintasan> meaning?
[20:30] <apachelogger> I dont know :P
[20:30] <tsimpson> default is 50MB iirc
[20:30] <apachelogger> 50
[20:30] <Quintasan> hmm
[20:30] <Quintasan> I have that too
[20:31] <ryanakca> Riddell: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntututorialdays
[20:36] <Quintasan> apachelogger: one more thing, any idea for what sake we have microblogging resource in akonadi?
[20:37] <apachelogger> Quintasan: to expose microblog data to all akonadi enabled apps
[20:37] <apachelogger> e.g. enable nepomuk to index microblog data too
[20:37] <Quintasan> I can't even think of use for it
[20:38] <apachelogger> choqok?
[20:38] <apachelogger> korganizer
[20:38] <Quintasan> it uses nepomuk?
[20:38] <apachelogger> it=?
[20:38] <Quintasan> choqok
[20:38] <apachelogger> well, no, it doesnt need to :P
[20:39] <apachelogger> the point being, if you have akonadi eat your microblag data, nepomuk can eat them via akonadi, hence you get nepomuks access withou choqok ever noticing
[20:39] <Quintasan> so, why one would like to INDEX it?
[20:39] <apachelogger> because it is semantic data that can be part of a large relation :P
[20:40] <Quintasan> I don't like choqok, I like microblogging plasmoid now
[20:40] <Quintasan> simply works
[20:40] <apachelogger> like you could download a pic that was microblag'd, without knowing what post that was etc. etc. you cannot build a context
[20:40] <apachelogger> and without context it is not semantic
[20:41] <apachelogger> hence you need to have nepomuk get access to resources for the context (i.e. the microblogs you flow/publish)
[20:41] <Quintasan> the thing I currently don't like about nepomuk that there is no easy way to export ur tags in case something gets broken
[20:41] <Quintasan> I just can't imagine the horror of tagging mah shit once more
[20:41] <apachelogger> copy the repository :P
[20:41] <Quintasan> again*
[20:42] <Quintasan> apachelogger: yeah, that's intuitive way for new users :)
[20:42] <apachelogger> well
[20:42] <apachelogger> that is a question of general attitude
[20:42] <apachelogger> either you only deploy software of sufficient quality that data loss will not happen
[20:43] <apachelogger> or you do not do that and provide the means to secure data before loss occurs
[20:43] <apachelogger> it would appear to me that nepomuk is more of the former sort whereas akonadi is of the latter
[20:43] <Quintasan> data loss will hapen inevitably
[20:44] <Quintasan> unless you do regular backups which is not the case for almost 90% of users :)
[20:44] <apachelogger> generally speaking every sensible DBMS will have the means to prevent and counteract data/integrity loss
[20:44] <apachelogger> dunno if virtuoso is sensible in this regard ^^
[20:45] <Quintasan> man this whole sematic sound soo future like that I can't imagine it working
[20:45]  * apachelogger is wondeirng if       KGlobal::locale()->insertCatalog(d->desktopGroup.readEntry("X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain"));     will work
[20:45] <Quintasan> I mean, it will require tons of effort from users to tag their crap and such
[20:47] <apachelogger> tags are but a minor fraction of semantics
[20:47] <apachelogger> in fact most of the semantics currently collected/used by nepomuk is of the under-the-hood kind
[20:47] <apachelogger> like say automagically reading the tags of an mp3
[20:48] <apachelogger> that does not require user interaction
[20:49] <apachelogger> then you can have an audio player hooked up with nepomuk and have it feed playback statistics to nepomuk (amount of playbacks, time of playbacks, abort after n minutes etc.)
[20:49] <apachelogger> and that already builds a massive context for an mp3 I suppose
[20:49] <Quintasan> that's only for mp3
[20:49] <Quintasan> I think it would work for source code too
[20:49] <Quintasan> like searching for license keywords
[20:49] <Quintasan> :P
[20:50] <apachelogger> additionally you of course have generic origin contexts such as "ripped from CD on $DATE" etc.
[20:50] <apachelogger> Quintasan: you are again thinking active instead of passive
[20:50] <apachelogger> the audio player can then recommend music to you based on the contexts
[20:51] <apachelogger> like when you where listening to some ac/dc stuff you did not like to listen to faithless after that but each and every time you listened completely through the red hot chilly pepers
[20:52] <Quintasan> well I whine because it doesn't work the way I would like it too, but it is in constant development so I belive things will improve over the time
[20:52] <apachelogger> or maybe in the 30 times you listened to a long december from the counting crows you manually added a song from moby 28 times
[20:53] <apachelogger> there are loads of associations you can draw from just the information aggregated by an audio player
[20:53] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: should i put get-orig-source: stuff at the end of debian/rules ?
[20:53] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: usually, yes, doesnt really matter, though :)
[20:53] <apachelogger> just make it phony ^^
[20:54] <shadeslayer_> phony?
[20:54] <shadeslayer_> i have .PHONY: build clean binary-indep binary-arch binary install at the end
[20:54] <apachelogger> kubotu: google makefile phony
[20:54] <kubotu> Results for makefile phony: 1. Phony targets: http://makepp.sourceforge.net/1.18/t_phony.html | 2. Makefile Howto - Waikato Linux Users Group: http://www.wlug.org.nz/MakefileHowto | 3. Phony Targets - GNU `make': http://www.gnu.org/software/automake/manual/make/Phony-Targets.html
[20:55] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: ah ok,so i add the get orig stuff after .PHONY
[20:55] <apachelogger> no
[20:55] <apachelogger> befre
[20:55] <shadeslayer_> oph
[20:55] <apachelogger> you just add it to your .PHONY list
[20:55] <shadeslayer_> ahhh
[20:56] <shadeslayer_> probably before build
[20:57] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: http://shadeslayer.pastebin.com/CgBZBDCL
[20:58] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: wrong link : http://shadeslayer.pastebin.com/R5ZmbPzZ
[20:58] <apachelogger> oha
[20:58] <Quintasan> urgh
[20:58] <Quintasan> manging tags from dolphin is pita
[20:58] <Quintasan> Edit... disappears somewhere in the panel :/
[20:58] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: you should really beat up upstream for distributing dirty zips
[20:59] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: heh.. theyre all japanese.. :PO
[20:59] <apachelogger> so they are allowed to distribute dirty source trees? :P
[21:00] <shadeslayer_> hehe
[21:00] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: technically your versoin should reflect the tree change using a +repack1 suffix or something
[21:00] <shadeslayer_> no,it means i cant really contact them and get my message across
[21:00] <apachelogger> because we are not distributing original source
[21:00] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: yeah were using +ds
[21:00] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: they do not speak english?
[21:00] <shadeslayer_> ds == debian source
[21:01] <apachelogger> kk
[21:01] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: dont think so,their google code page is all japanese
[21:01] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: what do you think of line 26?
[21:01] <KRF> apachelogger: *bling*
[21:01] <apachelogger> oi!
[21:02]  * apachelogger huggles KRF up to danger of suffocation
[21:02] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: that does not mean they do not speak english :P
[21:03] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: what about line 26?
[21:03] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: lintian complains about using dh_prep instead
[21:03] <Quintasan> shadeslayer_: I think persia knows Japanese
[21:04] <Quintasan> ask him to shout at them
[21:04] <shadeslayer_> Quintasan: oh good... ill catch him :P
[21:05] <apachelogger> dh_prep is new I think
[21:05] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: what is the particular complaint?
[21:05] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=8319
[21:05] <shadeslayer_> comment 2
[21:05] <shadeslayer_> um.. s/2/3
[21:06] <shadeslayer_> W: qipmsg source: dh-clean-k-is-deprecated
[21:06] <apachelogger> aight
[21:06] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: use the dh_prep then :P
[21:07] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: ftbfs :P
[21:07] <Quintasan> Well, I'm going to bed
[21:07] <Quintasan> Night guys
[21:07] <shadeslayer_> Quintasan: bye
[21:07] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: maybe you are using it wrongly then :P
[21:07] <shadeslayer_> probably ><
[21:07] <shadeslayer_> where should it come?
[21:08] <shadeslayer_> oh my... i removed dh_prep and still ftbfs :P
[21:10] <apachelogger> what is the errorly?
[21:10] <shadeslayer_> one sec.. i just placed it below dh_clean...
[21:11] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: http://shadeslayer.pastebin.com/4zEsfjBP
[21:12] <apachelogger> omg the doctor is stranded !
[21:12] <maco> did you just watch saturday's episode?
[21:12] <maco> wait no
[21:12] <maco> you're a week behind
[21:12] <shadeslayer_> hehe :P
[21:12] <shadeslayer_> Doctor Who? ( im guessing :P )
[21:12] <maco> yes of course
[21:13] <ulysses> Pandorica opened \o/
[21:13] <apachelogger> omg!
[21:13] <apachelogger> pizza booze telly
[21:13] <apachelogger> what a wonderful plan
[21:13]  * apachelogger schedules that for next year august
[21:14] <apachelogger> maco: I am yeah
[21:14] <apachelogger> too much work to watch the last week
[21:14] <maco> pizza booze telly are impossible dates for me
[21:14] <maco> cant eat cheese, dont drink alcohol, dont own a telly
[21:15]  * apachelogger can only eat little amounts of cheese and does not own a telly either ^^
[21:16] <maco> but you make up for it with the booze?
[21:16] <apachelogger> yeah
[21:16] <apachelogger> I am a drinker now, thanks to kde mm+edu sprint \o/
[21:16] <shadeslayer_> haha :P
[21:16]  * apachelogger blames it all on some organizer how happened to constanly urge us to drink more :P
[21:17] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: well, to me it looks like not dh_prep is at fault but something is wrong with your other rules (probably in context of debhelper 7)
[21:17] <shadeslayer_> hmm
[21:24] <ScottK> apachelogger: Aiming for palmer peak?
[21:25] <shtylman> probly meant balmer peak
[21:28] <ScottK> shtylman: I did.  Thanks.
[21:29] <apachelogger> ScottK: does never work
[21:29] <apachelogger> I begin to think that balmer peak might be a legend after all
[22:31] <ScottK> NCommander: On the off chance you need a break from kdebindings: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/50705371/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-armel.kdeedu_4:4.4.85-0ubuntu3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[23:10] <ScottK> Where's the place to be in free blogging services these days?
[23:10] <Riddell> kdedevelopers.org
[23:10]  * ScottK just found out that his web host no longer supports any software for that at all.
[23:11] <Riddell> well probably not, it's quite limited, but works for me
[23:11] <Nightrose> ScottK: wordpress.com if you don't host it yourself
[23:12] <ScottK> Nightrose: I'm not interested in self hosting anything that needs such frequent security updates.  Thanks.
[23:13] <Nightrose> heh i'm actually pretty pleased with it
[23:13] <Nightrose> but anyway on wordpress.com they host it for you
[23:13] <Nightrose> alternative would be blogger
[23:13] <Nightrose> and livejournal which i personally find rather meh though


[01:29] <thumper> stub: can you ping me when you are around, I have a (hopefully simple) postgresql question for you
[02:41] <noodles775> Can someone help me find more info about an issue I'm having: (Very) Approximately 50% of deploys I'm testing with the local provider, result in 7 of 8 machines all coming up successfully, but 1 machine remaining pending/allocating. If I check the machine log, that one machine is unable to connect to the api apparently because the juju-generated CA is rejected: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11071952/
[02:55] <noodles775> I'll create a bug after lunch and destroy the env again, but if there's anything else I can put on the bug report while it's still up, that'd be great to know.
[03:21] <thumper> noodles775: hmm... sounds bad
[03:21] <thumper> yes, bug please
[03:48] <noodles775> thumper: done (jfyi) https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1453644
[03:48] <mup> Bug #1453644: One unit remains pending with local provider <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1453644>
[04:27] <thumper> noodles775: ta
[06:09] <schkovich> good morning, is charm-helper-sh package abandoned?! if yes does anyone know why?
[06:11] <lazyPower> schkovich: its depreciated in favor of the `charmhelpers` package, which exposes a lot of the functionality through the 'ch' command
[06:11] <schkovich> thanks lazyPower :)
[06:12] <lazyPower> schkovich: however, the `ch` command is largely undocumented at this point, but marcoceppi may have published them while I wasn't looking.
[06:12] <lazyPower> them being, updated docs on how to use it :)
[06:13] <schkovich> hmhhh... but it is python package. am i on the wrong page?
[06:20] <schkovich> lazyPower: I can find only projects and packages with dash eg charm-helpers and all of those are python and not bash helpers/libraries
[06:21] <schkovich> is bash deprecated in favour of python ;)
[09:28] <g3naro> ls -lhrt
[10:45] <gnuoy> jamespage, ooi are you using juju 1.24 ? I seem to be seeing juju-dpeloyer explosions with it
[10:46] <jamespage> gnuoy, not yet
[10:46] <gnuoy> ah, ok.
[10:48] <gnuoy> mgz, do you use juju-deployer in any of your juju testing?
[10:48] <jamespage> gnuoy, https://code.launchpad.net/~james-page/charms/trusty/neutron-api/kilo-dvr-stable/+merge/258750
[10:48] <gnuoy> jamespage, ta
[10:50] <mgz> gnuoy: yup
[10:52] <mgz> gnuoy: eg http://reports.vapour.ws/releases/2627/job/aws-deployer-bundle/attempt/314
[10:53] <gnuoy> mgz, Bug #1453760
[10:53] <mup> Bug #1453760: "u'Error': u'status for key "<unit>" not found" before adding relations when using juju 1.24 <juju-deployer:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1453760>
[10:57] <mgz> gnuoy: could well be a juju bug, not clear what's triggered it though
[10:58] <gnuoy> mgz, is the # in the unit name suspicious ?
[10:58] <gnuoy>  {   u'Error': u'status for key "u#keystone/0" not found',
[10:59] <mgz> yeah, it *looks* like an interal tag has leaked out somehow
[10:59] <mgz> but I'm not sure I'm reading that correctly
[11:00] <mgz> gnuoy: see bug 1437266 for comparison
[11:00] <mup> Bug #1437266: Bootstrap node occasionally panicing with "not a valid unit name" <deploy> <destroy-machine> <destroy-service> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1437266>
[11:02] <gnuoy> mgz, ah, i think mine is probably a dupe of that one
[11:02] <mgz> well, not as written, but seems likely the cause is the same
[11:35] <gnuoy> mgz, would it be possible to get Bug #1434458 triaged ? It's alsp killing random deployments
[11:35] <mup> Bug #1434458: juju-deployer address,port split not working with ipv6 <python-jujuclient:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1434458>
[11:40] <mgz> gnuoy: who have we got actually working on jujuclient?
[11:41] <mgz> gnuoy: in other words, should you or I just fix this?
[11:41] <mgz> seems like bumping the bug around won't do anything
[11:41] <gnuoy> mgz, oh, I assumed juju-core handled it.
[11:41] <gnuoy> mgz, I can prep a branch
[11:41] <mgz> I will review it
[12:58] <catbus11> Hi, I tried to deploy landscape-dense-maas bundle by dragging and dropping it to the canvas, it gives "An error occurred while deploying the bundle: <urlopen error [Errno -2] Name or service not known>". Anyone know where in my configuration might be wrong?
[12:59] <rick_h_> catbus11: atm a colocated bundle (like the landscape-dense) doesn't work but we'll have releases of the juju gui and juju quickstart that do supported the colocation in the bundle this week.
[13:00] <catbus11> rick_h_: What does colocated bundle mean?
[13:01] <catbus11> ah, services deployed in the same host? I guess?
[13:01] <rick_h_> catbus11: the services are colocated on the same machine (using lxc containers or the like)
[13:03] <catbus11> rick_h_: thanks.
[13:34] <gnuoy> wallyworld, if you're about have an environment with Bug #1451283
[13:34] <mup> Bug #1451283: deployer sometimes fails with a unit status not found error <blocker> <ci> <intermittent-failure> <regression> <juju-core:In Progress by wallyworld> <juju-core 1.24:In Progress by wallyworld> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1451283>
[13:34] <gnuoy> s/have/I have/
[13:36] <jcastro> hey evilnickveitch
[13:37] <evilnickveitch> jcastro, hey yourself
[13:37] <jcastro> on the getting started page
[13:37] <jcastro> I think we should get rid of the links to each provider, since they're already on the sidebar
[13:37] <jcastro> it just gives us 2 places to update each time there is a new provider
[13:38] <evilnickveitch> yes, that's a fair point
[13:38] <jcastro> I'll send a PR after I send one for dreamhost
[13:38] <gnuoy> mgz, https://code.launchpad.net/~gnuoy/python-jujuclient/ipv6/+merge/258770
[13:39] <mgz> gnuoy: looking
[13:40] <gnuoy> mgz, I haven't had much joy with test_jujuclient.py. I've done a manualy deploy with ipv4 and ipv6 but that's the extent of my testing
[13:42] <mgz> what kind of not joy?
[13:42] <mgz> hm, ipaddress module is 3.3 or later
[13:45] <gnuoy> mgz, I tried it against the openstack provider and got failures=5, errors=2 and I don't believe they're related to my branch. I assume it makes some ec2 assumptions
[13:45] <mgz> is I see
[13:46] <mgz> gnuoy: what I'd do in cases like that,
[13:46] <mgz> is writea "split port" function and just add unit tests for that
[13:47] <mgz> not worry about making the whole suite green on my machine
[13:47] <gnuoy> mgz, ok, can do
[13:48] <mgz> like, I'm pretty sure your use of re.search is wrong
[13:48] <mgz> and the following line is just .strip("[]") spelt funny
[13:51] <mgz> gnuoy: like, would your unit test pass with the input "[2001:db8::1]:80"
[13:52] <gnuoy> mgz, yes I understand.   I believe it would but I'll write the unit test to prove
[14:12] <gnuoy> mgz, mp updated
[14:13] <mgz> gnuoy: ta, looks fine, do you want pytho nits?
[14:14] <gnuoy> mgz, yes pls
[14:18] <mgz> gnuoy: done
[14:19] <gnuoy> mgz, very much appreciated, thank you
[14:20] <marcoceppi> lazyPower: it's `chlp`
[14:21] <lazyPower> ah - right.
[14:21] <lazyPower> 2am though - i'm not surprised I got it wrong.
[14:21] <mgz> thanks for just fixing. we'll need to find out what the release process is too - looks from the log like dpb1 did one
[14:24] <dpb1> andreas and I have the latest builds in a PPA.  I don't have access to push to pypi, that is just hazmat (from what I know)
[14:26] <dpb1> Same for python-jujuclient btw.  I run both on my machine all the time.
[14:27] <dpb1> https://launchpad.net/~ahasenack/+archive/ubuntu/python-jujuclient, https://launchpad.net/~ahasenack/+archive/ubuntu/juju-deployer-daily
[14:27] <mgz> dpb1: thanks!
[14:28] <hazmat> dpb1: several people have pypi access
[14:29] <hazmat> dpb1: tvansteenburgh and frankban  for example, let me know if you want it as well
[14:30] <dpb1> hazmat: tvansteenburgh is enough, IMO
[14:30]  * tvansteenburgh winces
[14:35] <gnuoy> mgz, nits crushed
[14:40] <gnuoy> hazmat, I believe I've addressed the nits, any chance you could land my branch ?
[14:41] <hazmat> gnuoy: i can't atm (on corporate network) i can merge it latter this evening, if tvansteenburgh doesn't beat me to it.
[14:41] <gnuoy> hazmat, thanks, that'd be great.
[14:46] <tvansteenburgh> gnuoy, hazmat: merged
[14:46] <gnuoy> tvansteenburgh, thanks!
[15:49] <iamfuzz> any JuJu AWS experts about?  Trying to add a custom endpoint (for eucalyptus) by modifying aws.go, but when running juju bootstrap, I get the error:  ERROR index file has no data for cloud {emea-az-1 http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8773/services/compute} not found
[15:49] <iamfuzz> what other files do I need to add the endpoint to to test this?
[15:56] <stub> aisrael: You pinged me last week
[15:57] <aisrael> stub: Hey. I was testing the postgresql charm at the time, but then you moved it to work-in-progress.
[15:58] <stub> aisrael: Yeah, I'm not sure I can get the tests running sanely without much more restructuring. I'm thinking of doing that as part of a major rewrite now I have cool new juju features to work with.
[15:58] <mwenning> lazyPower, ping
[15:58] <lazyPower> mwenning: pong
[15:59] <aisrael> stub: ack. If you need eyes on it, let me know.
[15:59] <stub> aisrael: Maybe I can get some of them back. I'll be looking at it again this week.
[15:59] <mwenning> Just got an email from Jean-Francois Joly, is everything set up for them?  any roadblocks?
[16:00] <lazyPower> mwenning: they're at the point they need review from the ~openstack team
[16:00] <lazyPower> ~openstack-charmers
[16:00] <mwenning> lazyPower, who's that
[16:00] <lazyPower> https://launchpad.net/~openstack-charmers
[16:01] <lazyPower> oi *facepalm* i saw your reply and didnt verify...
[21:49] <thumper> kirkland: ping


[07:40] <ehsun7b> hi
[07:40] <ehsun7b> is there anybody who can help me?
[07:40] <ehsun7b> I'm a developer
[18:14] <philbull> (Testing IRC client)
[18:17] <philbull> (test)
[18:17] <jpds> philbull: Hi.
[18:17] <philbull> hey


[14:20] <AlanBell> bluesabre: hi, were you waiting for a cloak?
[14:21] <Myrtti> :-)
[14:23] <AlanBell> yeah, that all looks fine, staff can we have an ubuntu/member/bluesabre cloak for bluesabre please
[14:23] <Myrtti> tadah!
[14:23] <Pici> woo
[14:23] <Pici> thanks Myrtti :)
[14:24] <Myrtti> no problemos
[14:25] <Tm_T> bluesabre: congrats (:
[14:26] <cjohnston> AlanBell: is it possible to get someone to setup #ubuntu-ci-eng with the correct flags and such for maintaining the channel?
[14:26] <AlanBell> sure cjohnston :)
[14:27] <AlanBell> staff, can ubuntuirccouncil have +fF in #ubuntu-ci-eng please
[14:31]  * Myrtti has a looksee
[14:35]  * Myrtti squints
[14:36] <AlanBell> thanks Myrtti
[14:37] <Myrtti> you're welcome ^____^
[14:40] <bluesabre> thanks everyone!


[05:53] <nova_> I'm trying to remember what I had to do to get Thunar to be able to browse linux and windows machines under "Browse Network"
[05:53] <nova_> I'm on a fairly fresh install of 18.04
[05:53] <nova_> coming from 16.04
[05:56] <nova_> samba works fine, smbtree shows network hosts/shares
[23:50] <xubuntu56d> hey
[23:50] <xubuntu56d> i want change the pin of my computer
[23:50] <xubuntu56d> how i can make it?


[04:17] <Aaron0252> I has a question about upgrading to 11.04, or possibly 11.10
[04:18] <Aaron0252> Can I do this without losing all my data?
[09:36] <micahg> stgraber: is 11.10 edubuntu solid enough to recommend for evaluation in a place like a library?
[09:46] <stgraber> micahg: as long as they'll use Unity, it should be yes. We also offer the gnome fallback session as an alternative desktop at install time but that one isn't always as stable as it should be...
[09:47] <micahg> ok, will recommend it then
[14:14] <stgraber> highvoltage: ouch, that wxwidgets2.8 package is a real nightmare
[14:14] <stgraber> highvoltage: hasn't been merged from Debian since Feisty!
[14:15] <stgraber> after 4 hours of poking at it, I'm now done to only two Ubuntu specific deltas that are basically details, so might end up having spent all that time to just flush the remaining delta and sync from Debian
[14:17] <stgraber> just glad I'm on a 50Mb/s connection here with 6Mb/s up, otherwise uploading the 40Mb would quickly have become a major pain :)
[14:23] <highvoltage> stgraber: ouch, 4 hours?
[14:24] <highvoltage> stgraber: at least that's the last one from what I understood
[14:27] <stgraber> yeah ... running a few test builds now, will then diff the content of the binary packages and their dependencies, then run an install test, then run an upgrade test, then test a bunch of apps using it, then push to the archive
[14:28] <stgraber> so hopefully I should be done by EOD (in 3 hours or so)