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[06:11] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:44] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
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[07:56] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
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[08:57] <yofel> clivejo: not sure what was up with swy-01. I could log into it over ssh fine when I tried yesterday, and I restarted the zabbix agent because I noticed the monitoring being down. Not sure what was up with that box..
[08:59] <yofel> acheronUK: ^
[09:01] <yofel> as for the autopkgtest containers, I would try to do it on linode. Nested containers should work fine if you use the same container profile as kci-slave
[09:04] <yofel> clivejo: regarding move to master: uhm... did you ever decide where to move what? AFAIR santa is blocking master, so maybe just go with another branch like kubuntu_stage or kubuntu_dev
[09:06] <yofel> clivejo: do remember that you need to patch the kci merge cascade once you do that so it actually knows about the new branch
[09:06] <yofel> I can do that if you tell me in advance ;)
[10:39] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:52] <BluesKaj> Adam Conrad's Apr 13th email  mentions AA17.10 the opening of the next release will begin sometime (this) week... any word yet?
[10:58] <clivejo> BluesKaj: still waiting on the name
[10:58] <clivejo> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/
[10:59] <BluesKaj> clivejo:  quoting Adam Vonrad's emaiol header, "Anticipating abundant anonymous aardvarks in the Ubuntu archive."
 @yofel, yes, those branch names would be better IMO. then it's clear what they are for.
[10:59] <BluesKaj> Conrad's rather
[11:01] <yofel> stage would probably be more appropriate than dev. That's easy to confuse with unstable
 ageed
 *agreed
[11:03] <acheronUK> any further opinions on copying PIM 16.12.3 to backports-landing?
[11:04] <acheronUK> I tried kmail quickly with a not much used gmail account yesterday, and it seemed to work.
[11:04] <acheronUK> though can't really test with multiple accounts and thousands of emails
[11:32] <clivejo> acheronUK: https://youtu.be/JS3rDQ_pLFs?t=468
[11:36] <yofel> but why?!? XD
[11:36] <clivejo> Kinder Surprise
[11:38] <acheronUK> why not?
[11:39] <acheronUK> lol
[11:40]  * acheronUK quite likes the chocolate in those
[11:41] <clivejo> yeah its yummy
[11:41] <clivejo> apparently Kinder Surprises are banned in the US
[11:42] <clivejo> maybe this is why
[11:43] <acheronUK> ???? kinder surprise = banned; but guns = fine
[11:43] <clivejo> might be too much of a surprise
[11:45] <BluesKaj> the American Constitution has been totally distorted by the gun lobby and the supreme court, that's why America is in such a constant state of turmoil IMO.
 Ehhhh that viewpoint is flawed imho, but let's not talk about politics
[11:48] <acheronUK> no, lets not
[11:49] <clivejo> quack
 @clivejo, QUACK
[11:51] <clivejo> Bunnys go quack and horses go grrrrr
[11:51] <BluesKaj> i know my comment looks out of place , but banning Kinder Surprise ?
 @clivejo, 👌
[11:52] <BluesKaj> now that's flawed logiv
[11:52] <BluesKaj> logic
[11:53] <clivejo> https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/national-media-release/dont-be-surprised-kinder-eggs-seizures-double
[11:53] <BluesKaj> bbl
[11:57] <clivejo> or orrrr-hurrr-huurrr-orrr
[12:24] <mamarley> I think the reason the Kinder Eggs are banned here is because non-edible objects contained within edible objects are not allowed due to choking hazard.
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[13:32] <yofel> FYI: if that rightfully has an epoch now, someone has to go and delete the version stampfile on the builder ^
[13:32] <yofel> (from the workspace)
[13:34] <yofel> that check is rather broken as it requires all builders to have synchronized workspaces though :/
[13:40] <acheronUK> yofel: yes, the epoch was missed off when pim was split, but is needed if the package name remains unchanged
[13:58] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
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[14:31] <santa_> good afternoon everyone
[14:33] <santa_> acheronUK, clivejo: have you seen my mail about KA? tl;dr -> I need to work with you this weekend if possible
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[14:50] <acheronUK> santa_: I have family visiting this weekend, so I don't know if I will be able to make that dev meeting on Saturday, or any time on Saturday for that matter.
[14:52] <santa_> acheronUK: ack. what's the machine who is serving the status pages? "weegie"? who else has root access to it?
[14:53] <santa_> s/who/which/
[14:53] <acheronUK> yes, weegie. Phil and maybe clive? Not 100% sure.....
[14:54] <yofel> most of us should actually.. AFAIR the only policy was ">=member" for that
[14:55] <yofel> urgh... that thing is still running vivid -.-
[14:55] <yofel> jonathan......
[14:56] <santa_> so I should have access then
[14:56] <yofel> santa_: preferred username?
[14:56] <santa_> anyway I would like to have some other people around so you know exactly what I'm doing and why
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[14:56] <santa_> yofel: 'santa' is fine
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[14:59] <yofel> santa_: try now
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[15:00] <santa_> yofel: whatt's the complete name of the host?
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[15:00] <yofel> pretty much everything is running as 'kubuntu' user, so switch to that once you're there
[15:00] <yofel> santa_: qa.kubuntu.co.uk
[15:02] <yofel> wait what
[15:02] <yofel> ah, nvm
[15:03] <santa_> yofel: I can log in now, how do I switch to 'kubuntu' user?
[15:03] <yofel> santa_: sudo -u kubuntu -i
[15:04] <santa_> yofel: yep, tried something similar but asks for password
[15:04] <yofel> santa_: look at the file in home
[15:07] <santa_> yofel: allright I can even acess as root thanks! (don't worry I'm not going change anything until that meeting)
[15:07] <santa_> are you avialable for this weekend?
[15:07] <santa_> * available
[15:08] <santa_> and indeed the thing is still running vivid XD
[15:08] <santa_> I wasn't expecting that
[15:08] <yofel> maybe.. I'll try to make time and not forget about it
[15:08] <yofel> let me set a reminder
[15:09] <santa_> do you think it would be feasible to upgrade to xenial? I would really love to not have to support KA scriptery for vivid!
[15:10] <yofel> that server is also serving docs.kubuntu.co.uk, so I really don't want to upgrade it without a snapshot. JR promised to upgrade it a while ago but never gets around to do that
[15:10] <yofel> Riddell: any idea when you'll have time for this? ^
[15:10] <yofel> (just for making the snapshot really in case something goes wrong)
[15:12] <Riddell> hum, yes
[15:12] <Riddell> by which I mean no
[15:12] <Riddell> yofel: I can fire up a new server with something more recent on if someone wants to move stuff over
[15:14] <yofel> Riddell: doing that and fixing the domain would be more work than the snapshot IMO. You can remove that once the upgrade is through. And snapshotting is just powering down the box and a few clicks on scaleway
[15:15] <yofel> the upgrade we can do after that
[15:15] <yofel> (unless those arm boxes don't support that)
[15:15] <Riddell> yofel:  ok snapshot then you  do a release-upgrade?
[15:15] <yofel> that was the idea
[15:17] <Riddell> stopping
[15:44] <yofel> have to run for an ~hour. Ping me when it's back up
[15:44] <yofel> and thanks!
[15:57] <Riddell> transfering data still going..
[15:57] <Riddell> clivejo: you packaged elisa, did you looks at kdsoap and pnpqt?
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[16:07] <santa_> Riddell: thank you very much for your help
[16:07] <Riddell> not managed it yet, still transfering!
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[16:38] <Riddell> well weegie is starting up again, it's taking it's time doing it
[16:54] <yofel> re
[16:55] <yofel> ohmy....
 does it live?
[17:25] <yofel> not yet..
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[17:50] <santa_> acheronUK, yofel: so ... could we upgrade to xenial?
[17:51] <acheronUK> I *thought* that is what they were trying?
[17:53] <yofel> ok it's back
[17:53] <yofel> santa_: I'm doing it now
[17:53] <yofel> might take... a... while...
[17:53] <santa_> excellent, thanks
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[19:23] <santa_> how is that dist-upgrade going?
[19:29] <ahoneybun_> docs are back up
[19:29] <ahoneybun_> yofel: I pinged you yesterday about updating the docs on that server
[20:09] <yofel> almost done..
[20:49] <yofel> done, rebooting
[20:49]  * yofel got distracted
[20:52] <yofel> santa_: done
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 Ack
 So see you the saturday if you are available
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[21:49] <genii> When bot says zesty_unstable, is that the +1 release which isn't named yet?
[21:50] <clivejo> no, thats zesty unstable
[21:51] <acheronUK> genii: no
[21:51] <genii> OK, just wondering
[21:51] <clivejo> built on lastest KDE stuff
[21:51] <clivejo> so a Zesty base, lastest Frameworks, Plasma, etc
[21:51] <acheronUK> genii: zesty = built against and for zesty in a ppa
[21:52]  * genii gets a stronger cup of coffee
[21:52] <acheronUK> unstable = our unstable branch packaging + kde git-master source
[21:53] <genii> Got it now :)
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[00:01] <bennypr0fane> ...and when I manage that, I got the next problem: how do I find the line breaks?
[00:01] <valorie> bennypr0fane: control + alt + f2
[00:01] <sgclark> ctrl alt F2 sorry
[00:01] <valorie> you can do `cat ~/.kde/share/config/katerc
[00:01] <valorie> `
[00:02] <valorie> errr, vi ~/.kde/share/config/katerc
[00:03] <bennypr0fane> orrr, nano ~/.kde/share/config/katerc ?
[00:04] <bennypr0fane> which value would you set to get no line lenght limit? blank? zero?
[00:05] <valorie> that is the bit I don't know, bennypr0fane
[00:05] <valorie> I would look at bugs against kate about this and see if there is any discussion of it
[00:06] <bennypr0fane> valorie: ha, got someone in #kate!
[00:06] <valorie> or google very specifically about the issue
[00:06] <valorie> \o/
[00:06] <bennypr0fane> it can be set in the ui!
[00:06] <valorie> oh good lord
[00:06] <valorie> lol
[00:06] <valorie> here we are planning a trip around the barn
[00:06] <bennypr0fane> Configure Kate > Open/Save > "General" tab > Line length limit    ....yeah, i didn't look there...
[00:06] <valorie> when you can just open the door
[00:07]  * valorie feels a bit dim right now
[00:07] <valorie> moar coffee needed!
[00:07] <ChrisR> hi
[00:08] <ChrisR> i have a problem with Ark. it produces invalid zip files.
[00:09] <ChrisR> packing and opening them in ark is fine, but i they cannot be unpacked by other packers any more, not even unzip. packing with zip works fine, so it cannot be a problem with the packker
[00:09] <valorie> ChrisR: this sounds like a KDE problem
[00:10] <valorie> please file a bug in bugs.kde.org, after searching it for similar bug reports
[00:12] <ChrisR> thing is, it works in another ubuntu installation, without any problems.
[00:12] <valorie> hmmm
[00:12] <valorie> perhaps there is a zip plugin you are missing or something?
[00:13] <valorie> sorry, I need to go cook dinner
[00:13] <ChrisR> ok
[00:14] <arthurfiggis> hello :) currently in kubuntu (even as of 14.10), in order to use and configure more than one monitor (or to use the HDMI connection to my TV), I have to install kde-workspace-randr, it's not installed by default...anyone using the plasma 5 tech preview know if this is still going to be the case in the future, or does it have better support for multiple monitors?
[00:16] <otjura> considering it's a tech preview I'd think so
[00:16] <otjura> not all KDE4 functionality has been ported there yet
[00:16] <sgclark> I don't have HDMI to my tv to test sorry
[00:17] <arthurfiggis> otjura: that makes sense, sure :) i'm not expecting the tech preview to be finished already of course! was just curious as to how it will work in the future...i'm assuming that kubuntu will still -have- dual monitor support obviously, just wondering what kind
[00:18] <arthurfiggis> sgclark: oh that's quite alright, thanks...i might install the tech preview version on a separate partition myself if i have the time, but i just installed 14.10 about an hour ago so i should probably hold off until i have my stuff installed again :)
[00:50] <valorie> arthurfiggis: kscreen is the future, so check with those devels for specific info
[00:54] <arthurfiggis> valorie: ahh, thanks very much for the info...i'll probably stop by the kde channel, and in the meantime look up a bit more about kscreen to see if i can find out more from there :) my desktop is connected to my tv currently so i can play movies and such through vlc and watch them on a big screen, so as long as there's still some way to make that work, no worries!
[00:54] <arthurfiggis> (and i'm sure there will be, i'm guessing a couple of kde devs probably use more than one monitor :) )
[00:55] <valorie> very cool idea, arthurfiggis
[00:57] <arthurfiggis> valorie: it's pretty nice! works well too, once randr is installed anyway you can switch one monitor off so that you're not burning both at once as well...the ps3 is hooked up to the same thing, although now that there's a ton of linux games on steam (and steam itself is in the official repos), i might not have much need for a console in the near future...even better! ;)
[02:21] <Guest83902> hello
[02:28] <Levitcus> !ops |  What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory—
[02:58] <astroty> Hello, could someone help me? DRI_PRIME is not working on kubuntu 14.10
[03:00] <valorie> astroty: what is dri_prime?
[03:00] <astroty> valorie: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PRIME
[04:57] <Leviticus> !ops | waaaaa ban me
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[05:00] <Leviticus> !ops | waaaaa ban me!!
[05:00] <unopaste> Leviticus you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[05:46] <jori_> Anyone seeing occasional stalls of everything that becomes ok when when you ctrl+alt+f1/f7 back ?
[06:05] <genii> !aptfix
[06:30] <valorie> @comment 64855 mistaken use of tools to ban myself
[07:41] <mario55> automata film
[07:43] <mario55> wrong turn6
[07:45] <bombe_> Hi,i have a problem with steam on KDE, steam is opening but when i'm trying to install games they dont download ( tryed reboot OS,restarted steam ,running steam from terminal ),btw in ubuntu steam works like magic, but i orefer kde over unity
[08:01] <bombe_> did someone had the same problem
[08:01] <mario55> automata
[09:02] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:06] <bombe_> Good!
[09:18] <bombe_> I tried so many times but steam is not working in kubuntu, so frustrating even internet speed goes down while steam is on.
[09:19] <bombe_> After quiting steam internet is back
[09:51] <valorie> !steam
[09:51] <valorie> ah, he left
[09:51] <valorie> why leave when your question has not yet been answered?
[12:37] <jimjo> i have a problem installng scribus
[12:37] <jimjo> i get a error message
[12:37] <jimjo> its netherlands
 ->De volgende pakketten hebben niet-voldane vereisten:
  scribus : Vereisten: libfontconfig1 (>= 2.9.0) maar 2.8.0-3ubuntu9.1 zal geïnstalleerd worden
            Vereisten: libpodofo0.9.2 maar het zal niet geïnstalleerd worden
            Vereisten: libtiff4 (> 3.9.5-3~) maar 3.9.5-2ubuntu1.6 zal geïnstalleerd worden
 E: Kan problemen niet verhelpen, u houdt defecte pakketten vast.
[12:37] <unopaste> jimjo you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[12:39] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[12:39] <jimjo> can anyone explain  me what  "(>=2.9.0) but 2.8.0-3ubuntu9.1......" means?
[12:40] <BluesKaj> greater than or equal to 2.9.0
[12:41] <BluesKaj> < means less than
[12:42] <jimjo> muon wont install it
[12:43] <BluesKaj> install what?
[12:44] <jimjo> any of the 3 needet for scribuspackages
[12:45] <BluesKaj> have you updated and upgraded lately
[12:45] <jimjo> jep updated
[12:45] <jimjo> after that update scribus was gone:(
[12:45] <jimjo> !
[12:45] <BluesKaj> upgrade now then dist-upgrade
[12:46] <jimjo> no risk?
[12:46] <jimjo> had some issues some jears ago
[12:46] <jimjo> since then i upgrade through full installation
[13:09] <jimjo> if i upgrade.. will it be kubuntu? seems like ubuntu it saya->"= Welcome to Ubuntu 14.04 'Trusty Tahr' ="
[13:10] <jimjo> thats is shown with muon
[13:10] <zahar> ну
[13:10] <zahar> и чего тут
[13:52] <Moter8> j #kubuntu-devel
[13:53] <Walex2> PasNox: then 'kwrapper4 kded4' and then use 'kcmshell4 kcmded' to restart the daemons
[13:55] <PasNox> Walex2: ok, thank you ;)
[13:55] <Moter8> Hey, just installed the kubuntu plasma5 beta2 and after apt-get uprading no windows are draggable
[13:56] <Moter8> There's also no minimized, maximize and close buttons. Just after the installation it worked fine. Some upgrade probably broke it.
[13:57] <astroty> This looks like kwin problem. Check if it's running
[13:58] <Moter8> argg, konsole doesnt seem to accept any input
[13:58] <Moter8> firefox neither
[13:59] <astroty> Yep, definitively seems like kwin problem
[14:01] <astroty> Someone here knows why DRI_PRIME does not work on Kubuntu 14.10?
[14:07] <Moter8> Is there no screen keyboard on kubuntu??
[14:07] <Moter8> -?
[14:08] <Moter8> Can't execute any command as keyboard input isnt getting registered
[14:10] <astroty> Did you try restarting kde? Normally kwin gets started with it automatically
[14:10] <Moter8> i tried restarting the vm, yes
[14:10] <Moter8> still the same
[14:13] <astroty> Check if Kwin is indeed installed
[14:15] <Moter8> astroty, how, without a terminal?
[14:16] <astroty> Moter8: you still should be able to acess another terminal with ctrl+alt+f-6
[14:16] <astroty> 1-6*
[14:17] <Moter8> doing that does nothing
[14:19] <Moter8> so i cheated and got an enter to run.
[14:19] <Moter8> with copy-paste from host and newline
[14:21] <Moter8> so kwin is not installed
[14:51] <PasNox> what's the package to be installed to test kde frameworks 5 ?
[14:51] <PasNox> (and plasma 5)
[14:51] <Moter8> I did it with some ppa
[14:52] <Moter8> worked quite nicely, except some plasma5 bugs
[14:52] <PasNox> utopic should have it right the official repo, no ?
[14:53] <Moter8> sorry, not sure
[14:53] <Moter8> PasNox, I followed https://community.kde.org/Plasma/Packages
[14:53] <Moter8> ctrl+f Kubuntu
[14:56] <PasNox> looks like i need kde-next ppa
[14:57] <PasNox> but it seems we can't have dek4 and kde framework 5 at the same time ?
[14:57] <PasNox> accordsing to this page: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-14.10
[14:59] <PasNox> looks like running conointly kde4 and kde5 is utopic :)
[14:59] <PasNox> conjointly*
[15:03] <sebastix> file:///home/sebastix/Videos/Kamera%20Videos/Basti%20bei%20den%20hausaufgaben%201.MOV
[15:03] <sebastix> say hallo
[15:03] <sebastix> ioj
[15:06] <lordievader> PasNox: There are two versions of the Utopic isos, one with Plasma4 the other with Plasma5.
[15:07] <PasNox> lordievader: yeah i saw that but i'm too lazy for today xD I would have prefered to have both isntalalble at same time ( like the neon project)
[15:07] <lordievader> For Utopic that ain't possible.
[15:27] <mario55> ciao
[15:29] <code0x_r> hi everybody
[15:31] <PasNox> lordievader: yeah ;)
[15:31] <BluesKaj> hi code0x_r
[15:35] <BluesKaj> ok code0x_r what's your vpn issue ?
[15:36] <code0x_r> look I use  watchguard ... so i wanna configure a vpn i have the cert ... all parameters for a connection but ..i cant ..
[15:37] <code0x_r> maybe its the installation of vpn
[15:37] <code0x_r> i'm new in kubuntu
[15:40] <saro> pollo
[15:54] <lisacvuk> can some one tell me is linux better for html programming than windows?
[15:56] <lisacvuk> hi?
[15:57] <lisacvuk> anyonealive?
[15:57] <lisacvuk> *
[16:03] <Moter8> lisacvuk, well, it all depends on the tools you are going to use
[16:05] <lisacvuk> idk, can you recomend me some tools?
[16:11] <code0x_r> bluefish? no?
[16:13] <lisacvuk> ?
[16:41] <GT> I am having trouble creating a startup disk for 14.10 on a Lenovo T540p that will boot without error.  First of all, te startup disk creator has never worked for me without also use of gparted and to format a usb stick prior to use.  The button to erase the usb within the startup creator has never worked for me on any installation from any computer that I've used.
[16:45] <GT> Has anyone else had a difficulty in creating a 14.10 startup disk on a usb stick using a Lenovo T540p?
[16:56] <GT> I suppose I'm on my own.
[16:59] <arthurfiggis> sorry, i don't have/never used that laptop before :( someone else here may have though, always good to check back every now and then!
[17:07] <GT> Startup disk:  gfxboot.c32: not a com32R image
[17:16] <vijay_> hiii
[17:16] <vijay_> aneone
[18:30] <Snowhog> What event triggers network-manager to auto-start on boot? While networking auto-starts on my 64-bit Kubuntu 14.04.1 (KDE 4.14.2) w/kernel 3.13.0-30-generic, after a sudo do-release-upgrade -d networking does not auto-start. I have to start it manually with sudo service network-manaager start.
[18:34] <BluesKaj_> Snowhog, -d in the upgrade command isn't necessary unles you're upgrading to 15.04 development OS
[18:36] <BluesKaj_> Snowhog, do you have a network manager icon in the system tray before connecting ?
[18:36] <Snowhog> BluesKaj_: Understand, but it's what I've always used with do-release-upgrade and I've never had this issue. In fact, my 32-bit 14.04.1 w/KDE 4.14.2) and the same kernel didn't suffer this problem. After upgrade to 14.10, networking still auto-started.
[18:37] <BluesKaj_> so you're on 15.04 then ?
[18:37] <Snowhog> BluesKaj_: Yes. But with the small red X. No wired or wireless connection is identified. Even creating them there doesn't work. Have to do the manual starting. And that doesn't survive a reboot.
[18:37] <Snowhog> BluesKaj_: No, it upgrades to 14.10.
[18:37] <BluesKaj_> ok
[18:38] <BluesKaj_> is this ethernet or wifi?
[18:38] <Snowhog> BluesKaj_: Both.
[18:39] <giorgio> hola
[18:39] <BluesKaj_> so you have the same problem on 2 machines, I assume one is a laptop and the other a desktop ?
[18:40] <BluesKaj_> Snowhog,^
[18:40] <Snowhog> BluesKaj_: No, only on the 64-bit laptop. My 32-bit laptop dist-upgraded to 14.10 without this issue.
[18:40] <Snowhog> **do-release-upgraded I mean
[18:41] <BluesKaj_> Snowhog, yes there appears to be a bug on 14.10 with wifi start
[18:42] <Snowhog> BluesKaj_: So you know, I restored my 14.04.1 to my 64-bit laptop. I'm looking for information as to why the issue presented.
[18:42] <Snowhog> BluesKaj_: But why was the ethernet affected also?
[18:43] <Snowhog> BluesKaj_: Both are laptops. The 32-bit is a Core-duo Pentium. the 64-bit is an Intel i3.
[18:46] <BluesKaj_> Snowhog, which wifi chip does the 64bit laptop have
[18:48] <Snowhog> BluesKaj_: Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11bgn Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01). The ethernet contoller is Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller (rev 05). Both connections come up when manually starting the service with sudo service network-manager start.
[18:48] <Snowhog> So something is preventing then from auto-starting in 14.10.
[18:51] <BluesKaj_> odd  Snowhog , I have the BCM 4313 as well on my intel i3,lenovo g500, but i didn't have any wifi start problems on it
[18:54] <sanotehu> plasma-desktop has been freezing a lot and I don't know why, it seems to happen when I'm not doing anything, it takes a bunch of cpu when it freezes
[18:54] <BluesKaj_> Snowhog, did you setup the network management widget for the system tray?
[18:54] <Snowhog> BluesKaj_: Is it possible that when I release-upgraded my 64-bit, that more of systemd was installed that was on my 32-bit? I ask, because I didn't release-upgrade the 64-bit at the same time as the 32-bit. 32-bit was release-upgraded on October 16th. I first release-upgraded the 64-bit on October 26th.
[18:55] <BluesKaj_> sanotehu, sorry to say that's the nature of the beast
[18:55] <sanotehu> owell
[18:56] <BluesKaj_> Snowhog, have you upgraded since?
[18:56] <Snowhog> I tried do-release-upgrade yesterday. Same issue. No networking on boot. Still had to manually start it.
[18:59] <Snowhog> BluesKaj_: Something during the installation of all the packages downloaded had to have changed and/or removed 'something' that causes networking not to auto-start, but I don't know what. Obviously the components to have networking are present, because I can start it manually.
[18:59] <BluesKaj_> Snowhog, yes, but once you had a connection did you sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[19:00] <Snowhog> BluesKaj_: Ah. Yes. It's 'standard procedure' for me.
[19:01] <Snowhog> ^^except I always use apt-get dist-upgrade; always have; always will. Handles dependencies better.
[19:01] <BluesKaj_> have you checked the driver manager in system settings
[19:02] <Snowhog> BluesKaj_: Yes. It finds the driver and it is marked as in use -- once I manually start the service.
[19:03] <Snowhog> BluesKaj_: Hmm. But, I don't remember if I waited long enough without having started the service manually, to see if the driver got identified "for use" and then selected it and applied. Hmm. Might have to try that.
[19:04] <Snowhog> BluesKaj_: But that would only establish wifi. It still doens't explain why the ethernet wasn't started.
[19:06] <BluesKaj_> yes, are you using systemd to boot ?
[19:08] <Snowhog> BluesKaj_: systemd? I don't believe so, as Ubuntu isn't going to start using systemd until 15.10 IIRC. They are only incorporating small pieces of systemd in 14.10, but still using upstart (?) to manage the boot processes.
[19:08] <rww> I think the current ETA is halfway through the 15.04 dev cycle
[19:08] <rww> so yes, 14.10 uses upstart
[19:11] <BluesKaj_> Snowhog, some users are enabling systemd to boot their machines , but systemd is now associating with devices with udev, perhaps that could have an influence on some hardware
[19:13] <BluesKaj_> it hasn't on my laptop, altho it's running 15.04 now with no wifi probs
[19:14] <Snowhog> BluesKaj_: I have plenty of time today, so I'll give it another go. Who knows. If networking still doesn't auto-start, I'll let the system find the driver and select it and apply, then see what is what. I'll use sudo do-release-upgrade -m this time. I have my backup, so I can always go back to 14.04.1.
[19:15] <Snowhog> I'll report my results here later. Thanks for the chat.
[19:15] <BluesKaj_> Snowhog, no point using sudo release-upgrade if you already ahve 14.10 installed
[19:15] <BluesKaj_> have
[19:15] <Snowhog> BluesKaj_: I'm back on 14.04.1 on the 64-bit laptop.
[19:15] <Moter8> Getting http://i.imgur.com/tPQSdRW.png after restarting post-installation of plasma5.
[19:16] <Moter8> Any idea?
[19:16] <Moter8> google finds nothing
[19:18] <BluesKaj_> !plasma5 | Moter8
[19:18] <Moter8> BluesKaj_, Yes?
[19:18] <Moter8> that is the iso i used.
[19:19] <BluesKaj_> Moter8, maybe you could ask in #kubuntu-devel , Moter8
[19:19] <Moter8> i did, also in #plasma. channel seem dead on sundays
[19:21] <BluesKaj_> plasma5 is technically not our responsibility but since it falls under kde it's a grey area, but there aren't a lot of plasma 5 users in here, or developers either
[19:23] <Moter8> BluesKaj_, thanks
[19:24] <BluesKaj_> Moter8, I tried plasma5 3 times, finally gave up til it's much more mature ...lot of problems with it
[19:25] <Moter8> yup, had the same experience here
[19:25] <Moter8> kde fedora21 worked though
[19:25] <Moter8> still had issues, but it was fine
[19:25] <BluesKaj_> yes, so I've heard
[19:26] <BluesKaj_> not "hat fan" :)
[19:26] <Moter8> hat fan?
[19:26] <Moter8> eg fed redhat?
[19:27] <BluesKaj_> you got it :)
[19:39] <kikidee> I need to buy a flatbed scanner for home use, I have shortlisted "canon canoscan lide 110" and "HP scanjet 200". Which one works best in Kubuntu and is there any issues with these scanners
[19:44] <MoonUnit`> i have a lide 100, it works fine though a scanner gui shows scanning in a higher dpi then the scanners supports so it times out and i have to unplug/reinsert the usb to get it working again
[19:45] <lordievader> Good evening.
[19:46] <Moter8> oh Lovely, same bug as in kde/fedora21 :D
[19:46] <Moter8> http://i.imgur.com/62VhXZ4.png
[19:47] <kikidee> MoonUnit`: Its powered by usb  only?
[19:47] <MoonUnit`> kikidee, yup
[19:47] <kikidee> MoonUnit`: How long does it take to scan in the default dpi
[19:49] <MoonUnit`> no idea, not long, i'd have to boot back into kubuntu to time it.
[19:49] <kikidee> MoonUnit`: does it require any software to be install to use the scanner?
[19:49] <kikidee> *installed
[19:50] <MoonUnit`> think i had to install sane then a scanner app gui that supports sane.
[19:51] <kikidee> MoonUnit`: So no other specific stuff like the one needed for hp printers?
[19:51] <MoonUnit`> xsane gui most likely
[19:51] <MoonUnit`> no it was pretty easy
[19:52] <MoonUnit`> http://www.sane-project.org/sane-mfgs.html < show supported scanners
[19:53] <kikidee> MoonUnit`: ok, this fine if all the software comes from the ubuntu servers
[19:53] <kikidee> MoonUnit`: I checked that already
[19:53] <MoonUnit`> sane should be in the default repos
[19:53] <kikidee> MoonUnit`: canon's was supported but not hp's
[19:54] <kikidee> MoonUnit`: How is the scan quality, what about photos?
[19:55] <MoonUnit`> haven't really tried photos just documents, didnt see any difference between linux and windows.
[19:55] <kikidee> MoonUnit`: do you duel boot?
[19:55] <MoonUnit`> yup
[19:55] <kikidee> MoonUnit`: works on 8.1?
[19:57] <MoonUnit`> yes, windows 8.1 downloaded it's own driver then installed MP Navigator EX 2.0 from canon.
[19:57] <kikidee> MoonUnit`: ok, its canon canoscan lide 110 then
[19:58] <kikidee> MoonUnit`: Thanks
[19:58] <MoonUnit`> np
[20:07] <zebarbu> Hi all. I'm using plasma5 preview, works fine except I can't manage to configure khotkeys
[20:07] <zebarbu> I didn't find any "known problem" about this.
[20:09] <zebarbu> When I configure custom global shortcuts (for exemple Meta+F2 to start konsole), the configuration is well saved in .config/ related files, but the trigger seems voided AND when I come back to the configuration panel the shortcut is displayed to "empty"
[20:10] <zebarbu> (using the up-to-date plasma5 version, with locale set to "fr_FR.UTF-8", is this configuration matters
[20:25] <MoonUnit`> kikidee, booted into kubuntu, sane and skanlite (kde sane gui) was already installed, default dpi is 600, 8bit
[20:25] <kikidee> MoonUnit`: oh, test scanned?
[20:26] <kikidee> I mean to check the time for a scan to finish
[20:26] <MoonUnit`> will do
[20:27] <kikidee> MoonUnit`: nice
[20:27] <MoonUnit`> 34 seconds
[20:29] <kikidee> MoonUnit`: oh in 600 dpi?
[20:29] <MoonUnit`> yup
[20:30] <kikidee> then its true, I read in comments in a website that the scanner is little bit slow, what do you think
[20:31] <MoonUnit`> i don't use it often and its the only one i've owned, it serves my purposes.
[20:34] <MoonUnit`> 2 minutes 5 seconds at 1200 dpi
[20:35] <MoonUnit`> iirc it times out at higher settings
[20:36] <MoonUnit`> hmm maybe not, it might be working in 14.10, would take ages at 2400 though
[20:42] <kikidee> MoonUnit`: are you there?
[20:42] <MoonUnit`> yup
[20:42] <kikidee> MoonUnit`: Did you select color scan for all the tests?
[20:42] <MoonUnit`> yup
[20:43] <kikidee> MoonUnit`: Can you test a black and white scan at 600 dpi or some dpi that is good for ocr
[20:45] <MoonUnit`> back in windows atm and about to take a shower, will do it when i get back out
[20:45] <Moter8> gotta say, kubuntu's bug-reporter is awful.
[20:45] <kikidee> MoonUnit`: ok, thanks a lot for the support
[20:46] <kikidee> Moter8:  go to #kubuntu-devel and tell there
[20:47] <Moter8> > select a bug > click on reference this issue > nothing happens
[20:47] <kikidee> going for a reboot, brb
[21:10] <MoonUnit`> kikidee, do you want the scan in linux or will windows do?
[21:10] <kikidee> MoonUnit`: any where you like
[21:12] <MoonUnit`> when i did a scan on a dvd case i noticed windows was brighter by default.
[21:13] <kikidee> that is strange, how can a OS have an impact on the scan?
[21:13] <MoonUnit`> skanlite and brightness controls, must be post processing.
[21:14] <MoonUnit`> -and +has
[21:16] <kikidee> MoonUnit`: you mean skanlite dull the image because of a brightness setting?
[21:17] <MoonUnit`> kikidee, 16MB file, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7618572/Canon_lide100_BW_scan.jpg
[21:17] <MoonUnit`> kikidee, by default brightness and contrast were at 0
[21:17] <kikidee> downloading the image
[21:19] <kikidee> MoonUnit`: scanned at 600 dpi?
[21:19] <MoonUnit`> yes
[21:20] <kikidee> MoonUnit`: can you get me a color scan?
[21:20] <MoonUnit`> sure
[21:21] <kikidee> thanks
[21:23] <MoonUnit`> kikidee, 32MB, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7618572/Canon_lide100_Colour_scan.jpg
[21:23] <kikidee> downloading
[21:27] <kikidee> MoonUnit`: the scans are very good
[21:28] <MoonUnit`> yup
[21:29] <kikidee> MoonUnit`: How long have you been using this scanner?
[21:30] <MoonUnit`> bought it in 2008
[21:30] <kikidee> wow, still works?
[21:31] <MoonUnit`> must have been a bargain email says it cost £34
[21:31] <kikidee> I have a new respect for canon
[21:31] <MoonUnit`> yup still works but then i use it little
[21:31] <kikidee> little=weekly?
[21:32] <MoonUnit`> keep it in a bag when i dont use it to keep the dust out
[21:32] <MoonUnit`> perhaps a few times a year.
[21:32] <kikidee> oh
[21:33] <kikidee> I have a lot of photos to scan and I am little bit worried because of the scan speed, have to scan 4 big albums of photos
[21:34] <kikidee> but to cost and the scan quality is very attractive
[21:34] <kikidee> but and ...
[21:34] <kikidee> I must be half sleeping
[21:34] <kikidee> sorry for the typos
[21:38] <kikidee> MoonUnit`: the cost is very less and the scan quality is very good. I will look at other details and buy it. Thanks a lot for the scans. Good night
[21:38] <MoonUnit`> glad to help kikidee, good night.
[22:47] <AssociateX> How can I get online cli?
[22:48] <AssociateX> eth0, btw.
[22:48] <AssociateX> I tried dhcpd but that must not be installed.
[22:50] <teward> AssociateX: manually create static settings, perhaps?  Pastebin what you've got in /etc/network/interfaces if you don't mind, and make sure eth0 is detected correctly.
[22:50] <teward> assuming eth0 is an ethernet
[22:53] <AssociateX> auto lo
[22:53] <AssociateX> iface lo inet loopback
[22:53] <Guest92489> Does anyone here have an issue with bluetooth in kubuntu 14.10
[22:54] <Guest92489> I've been trying since K12 and no matter what I try it never connects
[22:54] <AssociateX> teward^^^
[22:55] <AssociateX> teward eth0 is my connection and it is ethernet.
[23:01] <AssociateX> ifconfig eth0 up & dhcpd used to get me online. How do I do it now?


[00:08] <[reed]> pwnguin: beta 1 comes out Tuesday
[00:08] <[reed]> I think ETA on final is late Q1
[00:40] <asac> fta: whats the problem with that branding?
[00:41] <asac> fta: what does the midbrowser thing do?
[00:41] <asac> fta: just wonder, because its as of now a native package
[00:44] <fta> asac, bug 210314
[00:45] <fta> asac, bug 279083
[01:12] <asac> fta: did i add that useragent thing there?
[01:12] <asac> oh right
[01:13] <asac> fta: what about the other diffs?
[01:13] <asac> are the new urls bogus?
[01:13] <asac> or does that just happen to be in that pasted diff?
[08:39] <fta> asac, the pasted diff shows that /usr/lib/firefox-3.0.3/defaults/preferences/firefox-branding.js is not the same file on i386 and amd64. The 1st one is right, the 2nd one seems to be the abrowser one
[08:51] <asac> fta: but its both from the firefox package? (e.g. the 2nd isnt the firefox one?)
[08:54] <fta> asac, both are from firefox-3.0
[08:54] <asac> hmm
[09:02] <didrocks> hi everyone :)
[09:04] <didrocks> I am updating swfdec to 0.8 (to make swfdec-gnome build). What about swfdec-mozilla? Do you want me to update it to make it build with swfdec0.8 (it is an independant package)
[09:21] <XioNoX> Hi !
[09:42] <asac> hi
[09:42] <asac> didrocks: yes
[09:43] <asac> didrocks: do you have upload rights?
[09:43] <asac> didrocks: you you please do the following:
[09:43] <asac> 1. swfdec-mozilla should suggest ubufox
[09:43] <asac> 2. swfdec-mozilla should link its plugin .so also in /usr/share/ubufox/plugins/
[09:44] <asac> 3. in postinst, you should for i in `ls /usr/lib/firefox-3*/.autoreg`; do touch $i; done
[09:45] <asac> 3. in postinst, you should for i in `ls /usr/lib/firefox-3*/.autoreg || true`; do touch $i; done
[09:45] <asac> didrocks: ^^
[09:45] <asac> thanks
[09:45] <didrocks> asac: no, I haven't, but I can prepare a debdiff for this evening :)
[09:45] <didrocks> and do also what you say in the same time :)
[09:45] <asac> didrocks: there are a few more
[09:45] <asac> wait a second
[09:46] <didrocks> (ok, I open my tomboy :D)
[09:46] <asac> 4. Xb-Npp-Name: Swfdec player for Adobe/Macromedia Flash
[09:46] <asac> -> Xb-Npp-Name: Swfdec SWF player
[09:47] <asac> 5. add Xb-Npp-Description: gnome SWF player (http://swfdec.freedesktop.org/)
[09:48] <didrocks> (ok, I see that this is for the "search for plugin" function)
[09:48] <asac> (6 is coming ... wait asec)
[09:49] <didrocks> (no pb :))
[09:49] <asac> 6. add Xb-Npp-File: libswfdecmozilla.so
[09:49] <asac> didrocks: actually 5. should be:
[09:49] <asac> 5. add Xb-Npp-Description: Gnome SWF player (http://swfdec.freedesktop.org/)
[09:50] <asac> didrocks: thats it from what i can tell ;)
[09:50] <didrocks> ok, corrected (Gnome and not GNOME) :)
[09:50] <asac> didrocks: yeah
[09:50] <asac> not sure
[09:50] <asac> if official is GNOME then use that
[09:50] <asac> maybe GNOME Swf Player (http://swfdec.freedesktop.org/)
[09:50] <didrocks> I think this is GNOME...
[09:50] <asac> or GNOME SWF Player ...
[09:51] <asac> but thats to much capitalized
[09:51] <asac> but its your choice
[09:51] <didrocks> ok, will see what is the best :)
[09:51] <didrocks> just a question:
[09:51] <asac> important thing is that -Name and Description dont name "Flash, Macromedia nor Adobe"
[09:51] <didrocks> why touching .autoreg files?
[09:51] <asac> didrocks: otherwise the ubufox hook ont work
[09:51] <asac> at least thats what my tests showed
[09:51] <asac> so better safe
[09:52] <didrocks> ok, it makes a stat or some stuff like that to see if there is new updates...
[09:52] <asac> didrocks: if possible please test that postinst doesnt fail if there isnt any firefox-3.0 installed
[09:52] <asac> didrocks: yes. firefox will reregister chrome and reintrospect system extensions when .autoreg was touched
[09:52] <didrocks> asac: ok, I will remove my FF from my VM for that
[09:52] <asac> didrocks: good
[09:53] <didrocks> ok, noted :) will keep you in touch
[09:53] <asac> didrocks: its important to do the for loop. as some users might have left over files or something or even multiple firefox version installed
[09:53] <asac> didrocks: actually we also would need to change the flash installer in a similar way
[09:53] <didrocks> yes, that was what i reckoned :)
[09:53] <asac> but thats a bit trickier.
[09:53] <asac> if you wantt o work on that too let me know
[09:53] <asac> i will take over gnash for sure
[09:53] <didrocks> hum ? can I give an hand on that ?
[09:54] <didrocks> ok, so, later :)
[09:54] <didrocks> (first, I finish that and then, see if I can be helpful)
[09:54] <asac> didrocks: sure. i gnash is pretty much prepared. i just have to do the upload i think
[09:55] <asac> didrocks: but you can test the package if you want
[09:55] <asac> didrocks: e.g. from bzr
[09:55] <asac> didrocks: but please do the other things first ;)
[09:55] <didrocks> ok, you use bzr from gnash, and for swfdec?
[09:56] <asac> didrocks: nothing for swfdec yet
[09:57] <asac> didrocks: gnash upstream uses bzr, so maintaining the package is a joy :)
[09:57] <didrocks> asac: yes, for sure :)
[09:58] <didrocks> so, I will keep you in touch when the debdiff will be ready (this evening, hopefully)
[09:58] <asac> didrocks: yeah. please do
[10:21]  * asac hopes for jazzva returning soon
[10:49] <fta2> [reed], isn't mozilla bug 456578 the same as mine ?
[10:50] <fta2> [reed], mine is mozilla bug 458612
[10:53] <[reed]> fta2: that's what I think
[10:53] <[reed]> that's why I cc'd you
[10:53] <[reed]> :)
[10:54] <fta2> so mine is a dupe ? gasp
[10:54] <fta2> mine seems to have more info in it
[10:55] <fta2> armin76, http://justimho.blogspot.com/2008/10/re-gentoo-destroying-earth.html
[10:55] <[reed]> ask in the other bug about duping it... forward duping is uncommon, but it is done
[11:11] <armin76> fta2: bumb
[11:22] <asac> armin76: thanks. finally you dont ask me to bumb ;)
[11:22] <armin76> lol
[11:22] <asac> armin76: fta2 is MOTU now ;) ... so at least half of the bumbs justifiable should go to him :)
[11:23] <armin76> asac: bumb!
[11:23] <asac> no
[11:23]  * asac *kicks* armin76
[11:23] <asac> :)
[11:23] <armin76> asac: triple bumb!
[11:23] <asac> damn gnomefreak isnt here ... i dont know how i can become OP :(
[11:24] <asac> :-P
[11:24] <armin76> msg chanserv #ubuntu-mozillateam op
[11:24] <asac> and deop?
[11:24] <Nafallo> /deop asac
[11:24] <asac> ;)
[11:24] <armin76> or /kick asac
[15:09] <asac> fta2: can we please in future just keep +buildX in upstream versions?
[15:09] <asac> and use the latest tag
[15:10] <asac> fta2: point is that we prepare the stable updates with latest tag and then dont reupload if thats the final release
[15:10] <asac> and having development release doing it different would cause confusion
[15:10] <fta2> for which? ff3 ? i bumped only 3.0.3+build to 3.0.3 as it's released
[15:11] <asac> fta2: yes. lets please not do that
[15:11] <asac> (in future)
[15:11] <asac> i upload the latest head now
[15:11] <asac> just saw that we have a nochange upload now in xulrunner
[15:11] <fta2> why ? those build tags are not the latest, release tags are
[15:11] <asac> which reminded me that we should sync that procedure
[15:11] <asac> fta2: latest build tag is latest
[15:12] <fta2> it's ugly
[15:12] <asac> fta2: if not, something is wrong
[15:12] <fta2> our versions are already ugly enough
[15:12] <asac> fta2: its a functional mean. version doesnt need to be beautiful and we need those for the security updates.
[15:12] <asac> as i said. its more ugly/confusing if we have different versions in development release vs stable/security
[15:14] <asac> ok uploading stuff and then forking the stable branches
[15:15] <asac> .head/.dev is then targetting .jaunty
[15:15] <asac> unless you say there is anything else we should fix on .head first
[15:15] <asac> fta2: ^^
[15:16] <asac> fta2: is the branding issue just a ffox 3.1 one (e.g. the paste you showed?)
[15:17] <fta2> i'm fine with xul, afair
[15:22] <asac> debian bug 499946
[15:23] <asac> too bad that someone NMUed icedove ;)
[15:23] <asac> now i have to fish the changes and replay them in bzr
[15:31] <asac> fta2: so are we using embedded tarball for everything now?
[15:32] <asac> given that mozilla-central is a mess :)
[15:32] <asac> comm-central+...
[15:36] <asac> fta2: http://paste.ubuntu.com/57031/
[15:36] <asac> is comm-central forked off from mozilla-central?
[15:36] <asac> oh sorry
[15:36] <asac> my fault :)
[15:36] <fta2> asac, no
[15:36] <asac> opf course i cloned moz-central in it
[15:36] <asac> :)
[15:37]  * asac desparately waits for the xulrunner diff.gz to finish :(
[15:37] <fta2> comm-central is just tb3/sm3/lightning/.. but it needs a full mozilla-central
[15:37]  * asac whines about his slow hard drivers
[15:38] <asac> but in fact only diff.gz is that slow. takes about the same time to diff than to build :)
[15:38]  * fta2 nods. xul 1.9 is clearly slow
[15:38] <asac> so embedded everywhere right?
[15:38] <asac> with dquilt being a source-recommends ;)
[15:38] <asac> err mozilla-devtools
[15:39] <asac> actually. if we call it dquilt we should try to get it in devtools
[15:39] <asac> otherwise use mquilt or mozquilt i guess
[15:39] <asac> mtquilt ;)
[15:39] <fta2> for embedded yes, unless you think it's a problem
[15:39] <asac> fta2: no i would want it, but people complained to me that its "hard to understand"
[15:39] <asac> thats why i am after getting better tool support
[15:39] <asac> like the dquilt now
[15:40] <asac> fta2: we could also investigate in using lzma/7z for in-source-tarball
[15:40] <asac> if support is missing in cdbs we should add that i guess
[15:40] <fta2> the mozilla-devtools branch is not meant to be a package. it's just a script repository.
[15:41] <asac> fta2: yeah. then lets see if we can make something "general" useful of dquilt and get it in the great devtools package
[15:41] <fta2> i remember a discussion on debian-devel a while ago about 7z
[15:41] <asac> or ubuntu-devscripts
[15:41] <asac> not sure whats better here
[15:41] <asac> for cdbs?
[15:41] <asac> or archive?
[15:41] <asac> our archive supports it afaict
[15:41] <asac> for .debs
[15:41] <asac> but we cannot use it for sources i think and we also cannot use it for anything that goes on cd
[15:42] <asac> wait
[15:42] <fta2> i could move it to m-d for now and once it's mature enough, move it someplace else
[15:42] <asac> not "cannot use", but "doesnt help" :)(
[15:42] <fta2> eh?
[15:42] <asac> fta2: we have to decide whether mozilla-devscripts is a package for general tools that can also be useful to the developer
[15:43] <asac> (instead of what is needed to fulfil things that are hooked into the package build scripts)
[15:43] <asac> fta2: well. we can make lzma packages in soyuz
[15:43] <asac> that works well with dpkg
[15:43] <asac> but on CD there are no packages, but unpacked stuff
[15:43] <asac> so lzma wouldnt help us to get more on the CD
[15:43] <asac> (we constantly have a hard time to not oversize)
[15:43] <asac> we would need lzma kernal support
[15:44] <asac> but thats not flying upstream according to kernel team
[15:44] <asac> i we dont want to put such a patch in our kernel without upstream having it
[15:45] <fta2> i don't understand. i was talking about embedded 7z, recognized by cdbs, not about compressing the cd
[15:46] <asac> oh ok
[15:46] <asac> yeah that was my initial question ;)
[15:46] <asac> 16:41 < asac> for cdbs?
[15:46] <asac> 16:41 < asac> or archive?
[15:46] <asac> 16:41 < asac> our archive supports it afaict
[15:46] <asac> ... and then i forked off in that thread ;)
[16:35] <fta2> asac, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/18500998/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-hppa.xulrunner-1.9_<IP_ADDRESS>%2Bnobinonly-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[16:39] <asac> yeah hppa is broken
[16:40] <fta2> talking with seb on -desktop
[16:41] <asac> fta2: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/xulrunner/xulrunner-1.9.intrepid
[17:00] <asac> fta2: ok i will keep the firefox-3.0.dev for another day or two
[17:00] <asac> to see if we get any regressions or last minute issues to fix
[17:02] <fta2> i pushed ff3 to my ppa yesterday
[17:07] <asac> hmm finally<EMAIL_ADDRESS>bounces
[17:10] <fta2> he's gone ?
[17:21] <asac> fta2: yeah
[17:21] <asac> fta2: or his mail is broken
[17:21] <asac> mozillateam mailinglist mail bounces
[17:30] <asac> hmm ... most ubuntu mailing list mail went into spam folder for a while
[17:30] <asac> hmm
[17:30] <asac> blacklisted somewhere
[19:20] <bdmurray> asac: fwiw I have metrics for routes now with 20081008t224042-0ubuntu2
[20:10] <asac> bdmurray: good ;)
[20:10] <asac> better late than never ;)
[20:12] <bdmurray> I guess that's true.
[21:40] <fta> asac, what do you mean ? <= <asac> fta2: could you also talk to vlad about performance with xul + cairo 1.8.0?
[21:40] <fta> 1.8.0 is very close to 1.7.6, which is in trunk
[21:59] <asac> fta: nevermind
[21:59] <fta> ?
[21:59] <asac> lets hope this NM ppa build now succeeds ;)
[22:00]  * sebner asks himself if mighty asac has a timemachine or no RL (like me ^^)
[22:00] <asac> timemachine :)
[22:01] <sebner> asac: did I ever ask you what job do you have?
[22:06] <fta> asac, seen Bug 274187 ?
[22:14] <asac> fta: what should we do?
[22:14] <asac> sebner: my job is to be 24/7 on IRC :)
[22:15] <fta> asac, i'm asking you
[22:16] <sebner> asac: and working on nm stuff? ^^
[22:16] <asac> sebner: mozilla + nm ... yes.
[22:17] <sebner> asac: but afaik are you not a canoncial employee right=
[22:17] <asac> not right ;)
[22:18] <sebner> asac: but where is the canoncial mail adress :P :P :P
[22:18] <asac> sebner: he?
[22:18] <asac> sebner: all my last patchmails were with that address
[22:18] <sebner> asac: O_o
[22:18] <sebner> asac: but not mentioned on LP
[22:19] <asac> sebner: it is
[22:19] <asac> or not?
[22:19] <fta> lol
[22:19] <sebner> Email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:19] <sebner><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:19] <sebner><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:19] <asac> https://edge.launchpad.net/~asac/+participation
[22:20] <asac> yeah
[22:20] <asac> but you are right
[22:20] <sebner> asac: in what case? ^^
[22:20] <asac> that i should add that address
[22:20] <sebner> +1
[22:21] <sebner> asac: omg.  :D
[22:21] <asac> sebner: done
[22:22] <asac> sebner: huh? thought you would more feel like: now i can bug him more ;)
[22:22] <asac> relief... NM in hardy ppa builds again
[22:22] <sebner> asac: no, it is a difference if I annoy a contributor or a employee ;)
[22:22] <asac> had to switch to automake 1.10
[22:23] <asac> sebner: yeah. but i employees in some way get paid to be annoyed :)
[22:24] <fta> sebner, why would you annoy contributors more than employees ? i would do the opposite
[22:24] <sebner> asac: well but not like me. I don't help you with my annoyments ^^
[22:24] <asac> hehe
[22:24] <sebner> fta: dunno, I have more respect with *official* Canoncial guys
[22:24] <sebner> nearly the same as I would annoy mark
[22:25] <fta> i respect contributors, they give their time to the project for free
[22:25] <asac> fta++
[22:25] <asac> though i spend most of my sparetime here too ;)
[22:26]  * fta hugs asac
[22:26] <sebner> asac: that's also something I wanted to say. you are like horseman dholbach ^^
[22:26]  * sebner hugs asac too
[22:26] <asac> welcome ;)
[22:27] <sebner> asac: don't get burned out! ;)
[22:27] <asac> there is nothing left to burn ;)
[22:27] <sebner> that's bad xD
[22:28] <asac> well. could be worse ;)
[22:28] <sebner> kk ^^
[22:30]  * sebner also hugs fta for giving your time time to the project for free ;)
[22:31] <asac> fta: i really have no clue what we should do for firefox 3.1. i knew that there would be discussion
[22:31] <asac> and scottk being an opponent was obvious as well
[22:32] <asac> but the points of gutsy 3.0 maintenance are valid and some appear not to buy the 6 month support offer
[22:32] <fta> but noone stepped up to help on backporting either
[22:33] <asac> yeah. true
[22:34] <asac> but as scottk says: he says that MOTU cannot maintain firefox ... which isnt really true
[22:34] <asac> in some way it is. but for backports that shouldnt matter much (at least thats my understanding)
[22:35] <asac> i think one way to take away that argument would be to not use the official branding
[22:35] <sebner> asac: I really was wondering because I thought he means you. ^^
[22:38] <fta> asac, what would the upgrade in gutsy be ? 3.0b5 -> 3.0.3 ? or 3.0b5 + an almost impossible list of security patches to identify ?
[22:39] <asac> fta: no it would be a -backport
[22:39] <asac> fta: back then we got the clearence by the motu-release folks by the assumption that updates would go to backports
[22:39] <asac> that happened until hardy came out
[22:39] <asac> from there on nobody ever asked about that
[22:40] <asac> and similar nobody wanted to contribute to that anymore
[22:40] <asac> fta: with some luck the current package has enough control/rules wisdome that it just builds in gutsy
[22:40] <asac> (e.g. auto detection of nss/nspr/cairo and stuff)
[22:41] <asac> but given that the last build was b3 i have the feeling that it wont work nicely
[22:41] <asac> also we probably would need to upload a batch of respins for rdepends for htis upload (but not afterwards)
[22:41] <asac> hmm
[22:42] <asac> thats true, but the cout is zero :)
[22:42] <asac> hehe
[22:42] <asac> so well. yeah. just seeing if current package builds in gutsy would be good i guess
[22:42] <asac> also dropping official branding might help to not make the trademark things applicable for that build
[22:43] <asac> most likely we need mozilla-devscripts bump in -backports too then
[22:44] <asac> fta: if that works well we could also think about doing a proper SRU
[22:44] <asac> fta: most likely that would be the right thing to do
[22:45] <asac> iirc we had a gutsy branch
[22:45] <fta> was mozilla-devscripts already in gutsy?
[22:46] <fta> gutsy-backports 0.06~gutsy1
[22:46] <fta> hardy has 0.07
[22:46] <fta> intrepid 0.10
[22:47] <asac> fta: not sure what we need ;)
[22:47] <asac> fta: most likely the one with the lp-xpi-export.mk
[22:47] <asac> guess that was in hardy earliest
[22:47] <asac> but maybe the backports thing is nough
[22:48] <asac> fta: i guess we need to drop the minimum versions from nspr/nss
[22:48] <asac> fta: but lets check if thats already done on a .gutsy branch or something
[22:48] <asac> fta: https://edge.launchpad.net/~asac/+participation
[22:48] <asac> oops
[22:48] <asac> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-3.0.gutsy-backports
[22:48] <asac> fta: ^^
[22:48] <asac> maybe just merging latest 3.0 on top of that flies ;)
[22:49] <asac> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/xulrunner/xulrunner-1.9.gutsy-backports
[22:49] <fta> 0.06 is the oldest with the last lp-locale-export.mk
[22:49] <asac> hmm
[22:49] <asac> on the xulrunner branch there are commits up to <IP_ADDRESS>+build1
[22:50] <asac> did i do that while sleeping?
[22:50] <asac> uploaded is ~b4
[22:50] <asac> even rc2 was backported
[22:50] <asac> and you did the rc1 backport ;)
[22:51] <asac> fta: what is going on?
[22:51] <asac>  124. By  Fabien Tassin  on 2008-05-26
[22:51] <asac>     * Merge RELEASE 1.9~rc1+nobinonly-0ubuntu2 to ubuntu/intrepid from
[22:51] <asac>       xulrunner-1.9.head #269
[22:51] <asac> we merged to that branch until 2 monthes ago=
[22:51] <asac> ?
[22:52] <asac> if that branch works well then there is a good chance that it may work ;)
[22:53] <fta> what branch is that?
[22:53] <asac> fta:  124. By  Fabien Tassin  on 2008-05-26
[22:53] <asac>     * Merge RELEASE 1.9~rc1+nobinonly-0ubuntu2 to ubuntu/intrepid from
[22:53] <asac> shit
[22:53] <asac>       xulrunner-1.9.head #269
[22:53] <asac> 23:48 < asac> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-3.0.gutsy-backports
[22:53] <asac> 23:49 < asac> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/xulrunner/xulrunner-1.9.gutsy-backports
[22:53] <asac> fta: ^^
[22:54] <asac> maybe i tried to update <IP_ADDRESS> and then forgot about that?
[22:54] <asac> looks like
[22:54] <fta> i don't think i ever touched those gutsy-backports branches
[22:55] <asac> fta: yeah. the commit from you is from .head
[22:55] <asac> it was created after intrepid cycle started
[22:56] <asac> i have that branch here ;)
[22:57] <asac> lets see if i uploaded that to a ppa
[22:57] <asac> no
[22:58] <asac> ok let me try gutsy build
[22:59]  * asac installs mozilla-devscripts from -backports
[23:04] <fta> xul should work, we still have mozilla-devscripts (>= 0.06~) now
[23:05] <asac> yeah cool
[23:05] <asac> trying that now
[23:05] <asac> lets see how unhappy gcc or something is ;)
[23:09] <asac> ok seems like its happily spinning ... for now :)
[23:13] <asac> fta: http://glandium.org/blog/?p=208
[23:14] <asac> did he resurrect the bandaid or backported 3.1 way? whats your bet?
[23:22] <fta> do we still suffer from this ?
[23:23] <asac> fta: would need to test
[23:23] <asac> hopefully its fixed in x
[23:23] <asac> but i doubt it is
[23:23] <asac> xaa is just unmaintained and probably only gets worse
[23:24] <fta> does he speak Japanese too ? http://people.debian.org/~glandium/Vista.png
[23:24] <asac> yes
[23:44] <asac> fta: those branches are dump
[23:45] <asac> xulrunner is ok
[23:45] <asac> but ffox has too many issues imo
[23:45] <fta> ?
[23:45] <asac> also we shouldnt base gutsy on intrepid
[23:45] <asac> but on hardy
[23:45] <asac> if not a independent branch completely
[23:45] <asac> fta: well. the backport work like removing firefox meta package, removing conflict on firefox << 3
[23:45] <asac> removing command
[23:45] <asac> ;)
[23:45] <asac> fixing .desktop accordingly
[23:46] <asac> jdong already did that from what i recall
[23:46] <asac> so maybe we should start with replaying those uploads on whatever version was initially released to gutsy :(
[23:46] <asac> but well
[23:46] <asac> most likely we should start from current yhardy or something


[01:23] <Pendulum> jcastro: nope, not me
[03:05] <cjohnston> maco2: ping
[03:05] <maco> cjohnston: whats up?
[03:05] <maco> what i break?
[03:05] <cjohnston> What's the story with two DC loco teams
[03:05] <cjohnston> LD
[03:05] <maco> there's only one
[03:06] <maco> i thought yall fixed that bug ages ago?
[03:06] <cjohnston> you can merge them
[03:06] <cjohnston> thats how its fixed
[03:06] <maco> merge them?
[03:07] <cjohnston> yup
[03:07] <cjohnston> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/dcteam
[03:07] <cjohnston> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-districtofcolumbia
[03:07] <maco> ok merged then
[03:08] <cjohnston> WDC LoCo is the newer?
[03:08] <cjohnston> now you screwed up where my team is on the list.. I've always looked for it on the right column.. now its the left
[03:08] <maco> yes
[03:08] <maco> ~dcteam doesnt exist on LP
[03:08] <maco> hasnt in a year
[03:09] <maco> where do those photos come from?
[03:09] <cjohnston> cool
[03:09] <maco> they're OLD
[03:09] <cjohnston> fixed
[03:09] <cjohnston> yay
[03:09] <maco> or at least some of them are...like 6 years old
[03:09] <maco> oh i see
[03:10] <maco> flickr id? hmm wonder if that's the group or if that's a user id
[03:10] <cjohnston> yes
[03:10] <maco> oooh ok nvm i see. didnt realise flint was still around...
[03:11] <maco> oh they are ancient photos. someone just got around to uploading them very recently
[03:48] <nigelb> paultag's probably finally happy this year :P
[03:48] <nigelb> Now that his team won
[03:49] <paultag> nigelb: :D
[03:49] <paultag> nigelb: Go B's!
[04:00] <nigelb> haha
[04:13]  * nhandler notes Chicago won last year
[04:13] <rrnwexec> greetings from Vancouver. it's quiet here :)
[04:14] <nigelb> Yeah, paultag is going to gloating
[04:14] <nigelb> Not sure if you want to listen to that :P
[04:14] <rrnwexec> no worries, i'm not a hockey fan ;)
[04:14] <paultag> Go B's!!!
[04:15] <paultag> :)
[04:15] <rrnwexec> grew up in a B's household though.
[04:15] <paultag> rrnwexec: ah, no way. That's awesome. I'm from B ;)
[04:15] <rrnwexec> ;)
[04:15] <rrnwexec> yes
[04:16] <paultag> man, I love Top Gear
[04:16] <paultag> what a great show
[04:16] <paultag> rrnwexec: How are things?
[04:16] <rrnwexec> paultag: pretty good thanks.  We could have some fun and get us some Ubutinis ;)
[04:18] <paultag> that was you guys, right?
[04:18] <rrnwexec> yes
[04:18] <paultag> :)
[04:18] <paultag> thought so :)
[04:18] <rrnwexec> next time you're headed this way just gimme a shout. we'll throw another party
[04:18] <rrnwexec> ;)
[04:18] <paultag> rrnwexec: oh for sure!
[04:19] <paultag> the Vancover LoCo rocks hard
[04:19] <rrnwexec> we try
[04:20] <nhandler> Hey, I placed dibs on meeting up with paultag. Get in line rrnwexec :)
[04:20] <paultag> nhandler: you'll be in chi-town for Uni, aye?
[04:20] <nigelb> chi-town?
[04:20] <rrnwexec> nhandler: we'll lure him here with a MASSIVE YOU-party ;)
[04:20] <paultag> nhandler: I have been seriously considering a trip to Chicago in the next yearish
[04:20] <rrnwexec> *U-party
[04:20] <paultag> rrnwexec: Oh you know I'd love that :)
[04:21] <paultag> I'd show up with Ubuntu war-paint on!
[04:21] <rrnwexec> awesome! do it!!
[04:21] <paultag> eggplant and orange war-paint
[04:21] <paultag> OMG
[04:21] <paultag> we should do that for code jams!!!!!
[04:22] <paultag> oh, brilliant
[04:23] <nhandler> paultag: I'm at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, so a few hours away from the city. I'm still hoping we can meet up when I am at the cape in july. Otherwise, we'll have to hope your chi town visit matches up to a long weekend or a break or something
[04:24] <paultag> nhandler: yeah, we'll figure something out. I'm planning to vacation in Cleveland once I get a big-boy job, so I'll take a few weeks to hang out in the area. If I fly back, Chicago is actually a sane stop-over
[04:25] <paultag> nhandler: depending on where I work, of course
[06:19] <czajkowski> Good morning
[06:20] <czajkowski> will not be online today, at the hospital wth the bf getting his tonsils out, anyone looking for me email me
[08:54] <dholbach> good morning
[08:56] <dholbach> AlanBell, Happy Birthday!
[08:56] <dholbach> hey dpm
[08:57] <dpm> moin dholbach
[09:00] <kim0> morning
[09:00] <kim0> dholbach: dpm o/
[09:01] <dholbach> hey kim0
[09:13]  * jussi cracks up... http://www.springerlink.com/content/x161246067q0h638/
[09:15] <dpm> hey kim0
[09:25] <akgraner> Good Morning!
[09:25] <akgraner> :-)
[09:35] <nigelb> ahoy
[09:42] <nigelb> ZOMG.
[09:42] <nigelb> Wiki update today!
[09:43] <nigelb> AlanBell: HAPPY BIRTHDAY! Looks like you have a birthday gift from IS ;)
[09:47] <Rhonda> I think someone should tell Mohamad that his screenshot in the Xlog blog post can be considered a bit off.  :/
[09:48]  * Rhonda . o O ( I hope this channel is proper for bringing that up )
[09:49] <dholbach> Rhonda, I think you can just drop him a friendly email about it
[09:51] <Rhonda> Usually I receive answers along the lines of "grow a thicker skin"
[09:51] <dholbach> did you get that reply in this case?
[09:52] <Rhonda> No, but such responses are too common that it starts to get demotivating to mention it at all …
[09:52] <dholbach> but it seems to bother you
[09:53] <Rhonda> If it only bothers me, I guess I'll suck it up
[09:53] <dholbach> sorry, that's not what I meant
[09:54] <dholbach> I just thought "if it bothers you, just send a friendly email about it"
[10:14] <akgraner> The official Ubuntu Book has started shipping to stores  - yay!!!
[10:15] <jussi> Happy Birthday AlanBell
[10:15] <akgraner> AlanBell, happy b-day!
[13:33] <mhall119> morning, and happy birthday AlanBell
[13:36] <nigelb> mhall119: IS is celebrating AlanBell's brithday with wiki update :D
[13:46] <mhall119> yay?
[14:27] <jcastro> AlanBell: ALRIGHT
[14:27] <jcastro> today is wiki day!
[14:32] <dholbach> jcastro, AlanBell's birthday present
[14:32] <jcastro> oh cool, happy birthday
[16:23] <paultag> mhall119: http://i.imgur.com/2cHHT.jpg
[16:24] <nigelb> paultag: YES!
[16:24] <paultag> mhall119: starting to prototype some cool stuff, it's looking sweet :)
[16:24] <paultag> nigelb: :)
[16:27] <Pendulum> paultag: thank you for the reminder that I (still) need to root my Nook Color
[16:28] <paultag> Pendulum: sheesh! I rooted my STR in 12 hours without a guide :)
[16:28] <paultag> get to it :)
[16:29] <Pici> Pendulum: http://nookdevs.com/Main_Page is quite helpful
[16:30] <Pendulum> paultag: well when I got the Nook Color I didn't have a microSD card.  And since I've been sick.
[16:30] <Pici> :/
[16:31] <paultag> Pendulum: yeah, I hear ya
[16:31] <paultag> Pendulum: no worries :)
[16:31] <Pici> I thought I bricked my nook yesterday if thats any consellation.
[16:31] <paultag> it's very hard to do Pici :)
[16:31] <paultag> Pici: which nook?
[16:32] <Pici> paultag: nook color.
[16:32] <paultag> Pici: Oh, humm. How do you like it?
[16:33] <Pici> paultag: I tried to do a cm7 rom upgrade and it just wouldn't power on afterwards.  Somehow mashing on the power button in frustration got it to work, after about an hour of trying different methods.
[16:33] <Pendulum> Pici: B&N once deleted all my info off my NC :(
[16:33] <nigelb> Pendulum: why?
[16:33] <paultag> Pici: pang
[16:33] <paultag> dang *
[16:34] <Pici> Pendulum: I actually don't even have the B&N software installed here.
[16:34] <Pici> paultag: Its very nice. I bought it specifically to root it and use as a tablet.
[16:34] <Pici> I wish it had a camera or microphone, but for $200 (on sale!) I'm willing to let a few features go.
[16:35] <Pendulum> nigelb: they had a server bug and in fixing it accidentally deleted a bunch of userdata from being able to sync with Nooks (essentially wiping those Nooks back to factory presets). I was unlucky enough to connect to wifi while things were down and to be one of the people whose data got screwed
[16:35] <Pendulum> it was very odd
[16:35] <Pendulum> it wasn't horrible because everything did still actually exist in the cloud
[16:36] <Pendulum> just meant re-setting up things
[16:36] <nigelb> ah
[16:36] <Pendulum> (and this was 3 days before I left for Europe and things were down about 6 hours so I did get nervous)
[16:38] <Pendulum> it's the one negative thing I can say about my Nook and if I'd rooted it beforehand, wouldn't have been an issue
[16:38] <Pendulum> otherwise even with the B&N software I love it and I expect to love it even more when I root it
[16:44] <nigelb> woooooaaahhh
[16:44] <nigelb> paultag:
[16:44] <nigelb> https://github.com/MrMEEE/bumblebee/commit/a047be85247755cdbe0acce6f1dafc8beb84f2ac
[16:54] <paultag> nigelb: hahahahahahaha wtf
[16:56] <paultag> I made the same mistake when I was first learning bash. I ran "sudo rm -rf ~/*". Turns out I ran "sudo rm -rf ~ /*"
[16:56] <paultag> d'oh
[16:56] <paultag> it was chugging along till it hit proc and I freaked out
[16:57] <nigelb> when 'm in sudo, I always use autocomplete
[16:57] <paultag> (since it won't delete those guys)
[16:57] <paultag> nigelb: erm, autocomplete won't work with sudo
[16:57] <maco> sudo on ~?
[16:57] <paultag> maco: I was learning, I know, I know, I know
[16:57] <pleia2> yikes, code review is good
[16:57] <paultag> maco: this was in 2003-4
[16:57] <paultag> and it might have been an su -c, but I can't remember
[16:58] <paultag> I think I had debian, so it'd have been su -c, but same idea
[16:58] <nigelb> I like what I think most of canonical does. Work in another branch, everything gets 1 or 2 reviews before getting in.
[16:58] <popey> YOU MUST REMEMBER YOUR ANECDOTE PAUL!
[16:58] <popey> DO BETTER!
[16:58] <pleia2> nigelb: s/canonical/every sane project and company anywhere :)
[16:58]  * paultag cries at popey's dissapoint :(
[16:58] <paultag> +1 Pendulum
[16:58] <paultag> erm, pleia2
[16:58] <nigelb> pleia2: except the ones I've ever worked for :)
[16:58] <paultag> nigelb: fail
[16:58] <pleia2> nigelb: not sane!
[16:58] <nigelb> I know!
[16:58] <paultag> github supports that workflow really really well
[16:59] <nigelb> Most places are "we have to release, not write tests"
[16:59] <paultag> nigelb: sed s/Most\ places/Most\ two-bit\ places//g
[16:59] <nigelb> haha
[16:59] <nigelb> +1 there too
[16:59] <paultag> not having code review = fail
[17:00] <paultag> nigelb: even tenach and myself when we work on projects together. One will push to the local branch, then someone reviews it and commits. It's bad to push your own commits live
[17:02] <nigelb> paultag: I know, but hey, ubuntu projects are all great with tarmac, etc
[17:03] <nigelb> Well, tarmac doesn't help review, but it helps the review workflow
[17:03] <nigelb> No reason to be lazy to land
[17:07] <nigelb> dholbach: You want to hand hold the person in #ubuntu-devel? :)
[17:14] <dholbach> nigelb, hm?
[17:14] <nigelb> dholbach: There was someone who came into #ubuntu-devel wanting to know where to start. if I weren't busy, I'd have helped him out right away.
[17:15] <maco> cjwatson sent him to #ubuntu-app-devel
[17:15] <dholbach> I need to rush out the office in a bit
[17:19] <nhandler> I still think we should close #ubuntu-app-devel and merge it into another channel. Most of the time, someone joins, asks a questions, gets 0 responses, and quiets. I see very few people actually get help in there.
[17:26] <Pici> nhandler: What would be a good candidate for the merging though?
[17:29] <nhandler> Pici: Depends on what part of the process they are on. If they are programming it, send them to one of the python, perl, c, etc channels. If they are trying to add an indicator or something else like that, send them to an ayatana channel. If they are ready to get it into the repositories, #ubuntu-packaging will help them.
[17:32] <nigelb> nhandler: The problem is, people who are not sure what they wwant to do.
[17:32] <nigelb> Yeah, things brings up ubuntu-wanted
[17:32] <nigelb> or probably openhatch.
[17:33] <nigelb> Actually, hrm, openhatch is a potentially good place.
[17:34] <nhandler> nigelb: Well, in its current state, they won't get much help with that problem (or any problem) in #ubuntu-app-devel .
[17:34] <nigelb> nhandler: I know.
[17:36] <nigelb> Trying to figure out how to fix that.
[17:36] <nigelb> My things to do tonight is too long. Laters.
[17:38] <dholbach> alright my friends
[17:38] <dholbach> I call it a day
[17:38] <dholbach> see you all tomorrow
[19:02] <nigelb> jcastro: So, there's a game engine.  Guess what its called? Unity3D.
[19:03] <jcastro> yeah
[19:03] <jcastro> it's been around for a while
[19:03] <nigelb> I was wondering why the blog post about Unity 3D I was reading had a totally different logo and the post was confusing :)
[19:08] <Pendulum> nigelb: one of my mates programs things on it. He also was one of the first people to introduce me to linux. I've had some very confused moments due to that
[19:08] <nigelb> heh
[19:29] <jcastro> heya popey
[19:29] <jcastro> what HP server do you have?
[19:30] <jcastro> pleia2: did you get a preshipment or did all the earrings go out?
[19:31] <nhandler> jcastro: You ordered a pair?
[19:32] <jcastro> yeah for my wife
[19:32] <pleia2> jcastro: I ordered them along with everyone else :) but the company is like 15 miles from me
[19:32] <jcastro> oh
[19:32] <jcastro> so maybe I'll get them tommorrow or monday
[19:33] <pleia2> I used google checkout and it gave me a shipment notification when they shipped
[20:21] <popey> jcastro: HP Microserver
[20:21] <popey> jcastro: http://www.ebuyer.com/product/253305
[20:21] <popey> tis small
[20:27] <jcastro> oh man
[20:28] <jcastro> that looks awesome
[20:28] <jcastro> oh dude
[20:28] <jcastro> and an esata port
[20:29] <jcastro> pretty cheap too
[20:30] <popey> yeah, and you get cashback
[20:30] <popey> I've had mine 6 months and the offer has been on all that time
[20:31] <popey> we're giving one away on the podcast soon :D
[20:31] <jcastro> I am surprised there aren't tons of little low power servers like this
[20:31] <jcastro> with atoms and stuff
[20:31] <popey> yeah
[20:31] <jcastro> of course, I don't mean the dumb WHS ones without VGA ports (stooooooopid)
[20:31] <popey> the fact that it has room for 4 drives is handy
[20:31] <popey> well, 5 drives
[20:31] <popey> I moved the boot disk to the optical bay
[20:32] <jcastro> right, I have a 5 drive external esata enclosure and this old P4 desktop acting as a "server"
[20:32] <jcastro> when that dies I can put the 6TB external array on something like this and also get another 4 bays, brilliant.
[20:32] <popey> heh
[20:33] <popey> the only gotcha with these cheap servers is that the esata port is usually incapable of doing port multipliers
[20:33] <popey> so your external array presents 4 drives over one esata cable
[20:33] <jcastro> PCI card there
[20:33] <popey> the server only sees the first disk
[20:33] <popey> yeah, thats what I did
[20:33] <popey> room for two in fact
[20:33] <jcastro> right
[20:33] <popey> which is surprising
[20:33] <jcastro> so you'd think they'd have a line of these
[20:33] <jcastro> from 3 bays, up to 8 bays
[20:33] <popey> yeah, discontinued apparently
[20:33] <popey> hence the low price
[20:34] <jcastro> with nothing but ports, drives, and a low power Atom chip
[20:34] <jcastro> yeah
[20:34] <popey> but I think because a bunch of geeks went nuts for them, they extended the offer
[20:34] <jcastro> they are discontinuing all their home server stuff and redoing it apparently
[20:34] <popey> ahh
[20:34] <popey> its also got an internal usb port which is neat
[20:34] <jcastro> the mediaserver line or whatever
[20:34] <popey> so you can put the boot disk on usb :D
[20:34] <jcastro> they got totally screwed by microsoft
[20:34] <jcastro> windows home server has this awesome feature
[20:34] <jcastro> that lets you put in whatever size drives you have
[20:34] <jcastro> and makes it all magical drobo style
[20:35] <popey> oh, yeah, and they removed it?
[20:35] <jcastro> and then for the next version they said "oh that's enterprise level, sorry, removing that."
[20:35] <popey> that sucks
[20:35] <popey> looking forward to btrfs :D
[20:35] <popey> which does that
[20:35] <jcastro> but iirc I read hp is redoing the entire line built on webos
[20:35] <popey> blimey
[20:35] <jcastro> which means .... easy ubuntu server
[20:35] <popey> yeah
[20:36] <jcastro> I love their reason for removing the feature, "enterprise level"
[20:36] <jcastro> you know, for pro sysadmins building raid arrays out of different size disks they have laying around
[20:36] <jcastro> *rolleyes*
[20:36] <popey> haha
[20:36] <jcastro> but hey, gives btrfs time to finish up
[20:37] <jcastro> and then I hope to see tons of these cheap home things coming out
[20:37] <popey> yeah, I'd love a fully free software drobo-like
[20:38] <jcastro> btrfs gives us all that beautifulness afaict
[20:38] <popey> yeah
[20:38] <popey> a friend of mine is involved in it and speaks highly of it
[20:38] <popey> except for the fact that it's kinda missing a fsck tool ☺
[20:38] <popey> well, a working fsck tool
[20:38] <jcastro> heh
[20:39] <jcastro> what I did for my last enclosure is just max out the disks in it
[20:39] <jcastro> and I'll leave it ext4 until it dies
[20:39] <popey> smart
[20:39] <jcastro> but the new stuff I'll btrfs when I need the room
[21:06] <paultag> ← using btrfs
[21:06] <paultag> works fine now, at least for me :)
[22:17] <paultag> mhall119: do you have an interface for status.ubuntu?
[22:17] <paultag> erm, that might be cjohnston
[22:18] <mhall119> you mean an API?
[22:19] <paultag> mhall119: an API would work great
[22:19] <paultag> mhall119: bindings would be better, but an API would be great
[22:30] <cjohnston> paultag: not really, no.. why
[22:31] <paultag> cjohnston: I'm slowly putting together an android app for my Nook that fetches all sorts of data on projects linked to the instance. I want good Ubuntu connections so I don't have to go to websites to see data at a glance
[22:31] <cjohnston> gotcha..
[22:31] <paultag> cjohnston: I'd like some of the data from status.ubuntu (the graphs, in particular) to be gotable
[22:31] <cjohnston> no, there is no API.. you can file a bug if you wish
[22:32] <paultag> cjohnston: it's OK. I'll wait until I flesh this out more
[22:32] <paultag> cjohnston: just wondering and planning. I don't even have LP hookups yet
[23:46] <akgraner> popey, did you ever get that gadget for recording screencasts working?
[23:46] <popey> not brilliantly no
[23:46] <popey> very disappointed
[23:47] <akgraner> ahhh ok
[23:47] <popey> so I use a script instead now
[23:47] <popey> which is still not great
[23:47] <popey> ☹
[23:47] <akgraner> I was just trying to find some better solutions for me and was wondering
[23:47] <akgraner> and didn't want to spend the money if it as not worth the investment
[23:48] <popey> yea, I wouldn't
[23:48] <akgraner> thanks that's good info to know
[23:48] <popey> np