[00:12] <funkyHat> I think arguments are ok in offtopic channels, as long as they are civil
[00:12] <funkyHat> Oh he said support channels
[02:56] <thething> Hey guys, does anyone know a good alternative for manycam?
[02:57] <CarlFK> thething: This channel is for operator/abuse questions
[02:57] <thething> ?
[02:57] <thething> oh sorry
[02:57] <CarlFK> see the /topic
[02:57] <CarlFK> no prob.
[02:57] <thething> I try to go to offtopic and i am redirected here...
[02:58] <CarlFK> were you banned?
[02:58] <thething> I don't think so
[02:58] <pangolin> yes you were
[02:59] <thething> Ah
[02:59] <pangolin> specifically because of this
 k dexter i have to go drink tigers blood el oh el oh em gee ifuckedyourmom.jpg
[02:59] <thething> lloooool
[02:59] <thething> Yeah, he is a fag.
[03:00] <thething> He is very rude, so I told him to fuck himself.
[03:00] <pangolin> so take a few days off
[03:00] <pangolin> please mind your language
[03:00] <thething> Any time I go into the room he just starts arguments with me.
[03:00] <pangolin> no need for the swearing
[03:00] <thething> Well, your fellow mod is not going to be spoken to about manners?
[03:01] <thething> Why should I show him respect if he is always being an ass?
[03:01] <pangolin> he isn't an op
[03:01] <thething> How did I get banned then?
[03:01] <pangolin> !guidelines
[03:01] <pangolin> an op banned you.
[03:01] <thething> Did Dexter get banned?
[03:01] <pangolin> you hit an ran. that doesn't mean a ban can't be set
[03:01] <thething> No
[03:01] <thething> I had to go.
[03:01] <pangolin> why would he, he didn't break any rules.
[03:02] <thething> Otherwise I would have stayed.
[03:02] <thething> Yes he did, he was not respectable to others.
[03:02] <thething> Go to the logs
[03:02] <pangolin> this is about you anyhow not him
[03:02] <thething> He is consistantly rude to me.
[03:02] <thething> No, that response was to him.
[03:02] <thething> So it is completely about he and I.
[03:02] <pangolin> your actions are what you are responsible for.
[03:02] <thething> Correct
[03:02] <pangolin> and you got banned for your actions
[03:02] <thething> You are not holding him accountable for his actions.
[03:03] <pangolin> that isn't your concern
[03:03] <thething> Yes it is.
[03:03] <pangolin> no it isn't.
[03:03] <thething> Equal treatment.
[03:03] <CarlFK> we do the best we can.
[03:03] <thething> Obviously not.
[03:03] <pangolin> he doesn't swear in the channel.
[03:03] <thething> He is disrespectful.
[03:03] <thething> That is one of the rules.
[03:04] <pangolin> no he isn't. he doesn't like you but he was not disrespectful to you.
[03:04] <thething> Yes he was.
[03:04] <thething> Go back to the logs.
[03:04] <pangolin> no.
[03:04] <thething> Every time I speak he was rude.
[03:04] <pangolin> this is about you.
[03:04] <pangolin> not him.
[03:04] <thething> Pangolin stop trying to change the subject.
[03:04] <thething> lol
[03:04] <pangolin> lol
[03:04] <CarlFK> indeed.
[03:04] <thething> not workin, bro
[03:04] <pangolin> the subject is why you got banned
[03:05] <thething> The subject involved him.
[03:05] <pangolin> you got banned because of the language you used.
[03:05] <pangolin> YOU used foul language. the reason why you did is irrelevant.
[03:05] <thething> It was a response to his behavior. Obviously it was offensive to me, I was just a user in the room. What puts him above me?
[03:05] <thething> So as long as I don't swear I can treat others with disrespect?
[03:05] <thething> I
[03:05] <thething> I'll remember that.
[03:07] <CarlFK> the ops try to keep the channel friendly. it is not a science.
[03:07] <thething> Friendly like how Dexter was friendly to me?
[03:07] <CarlFK> we use the CoC as guidlines and have to make judgement calls
[03:07] <thething> You are right, you don't treat it like a science. If you did it would be run better.
[03:08] <thething> Cause and effect. You can't have a reaction without an action.
[03:08] <thething> To stop the cause of reaction you need to stop the cause.
[03:08] <CarlFK> we are all volunteers.
[03:08] <thething> What does that have to do with anything?
[03:09] <CarlFK> if you don't understand, we are done.
[03:09] <thething> No I do understand
[03:09] <thething> You are just not wanting to discuss this.
[03:09] <thething> Very unprofessional.
[03:10] <CarlFK> I completely understand why you were banned.
[03:10] <thething> I am keeping logs of this fyi.  Yes, I can see that.
[03:12] <CarlFK> you are, I see no reason to lift it.
[03:12] <thething> That's fine.  Almighty mod of ubuntu.
[03:13] <thething> I am glad we have white-knights like yourself to make sure the internet is a safe playground.
[03:13] <thething> Also I am going to be posting the logs and explanation of all of this throughout the ubuntu forums.
[03:13] <thething> Very very sad when volunteers act this way.
[03:14] <thething> I have volunteered for many projects like this and never behaved in such an unprofessional manner.
[03:14] <thething> I am just hoping that everyone will be able to see what kind of people are running the ubuntu irc rooms now.
[03:15] <thething> So lets go back to the issue.
[03:15] <thething> Because you have yet to actually discuss it with me, rather than just trying to shut me down.
[03:15] <thething> Unless you would prefer to be silent.
[03:15] <thething> I would understand why, since you don't want these logs shown everywhere.
[03:16] <thething> CarlFK: so can we continue the discussion or not?
[03:16] <pangolin> !logs
[03:17] <CarlFK> I have not seen anything to make me want to lift your ban.
[03:17] <thething> CarlFK: So you want me to bow down rather than discuss the issue?
[03:18] <CarlFK> I believe you know why you were banned.
[03:18] <thething> Because of mod abuse correct?
[03:18] <thething> Because you have failed to actually explain why.
[03:18] <CarlFK> no.
[03:19] <thething> So tell me, with both parties involved.
[03:19] <thething> How is my ban justified without dexter's being justified as well?
[03:19] <CarlFK> improper language
[03:19] <thething> And improper behavior is unacceptable correct?
[03:20] <CarlFK> dexters behavior does not change the rules you are asked to follow
[03:20] <thething> You are avoiding the question.
[03:20] <thething> Was his behavior inapropriate yes or no?
[03:20] <CarlFK> I am not discussing other's behavior.
[03:20] <thething> So you are avoiding it.
[03:20] <thething> Well obviously you all think its ok since he was not banned.
[03:21] <thething> I am glad I have the pm's of him telling me to go f*ck my mother...you all never bothered to ask for why I said that to him.
[03:21] <thething> It is ok though, everything will be shown in the logs I release.
[03:22] <CarlFK> the logs are public.
[03:22] <thething> Not the private messages
[03:22] <thething> Like how he told me to go f*ck my mother...which you all never asked about.
[03:22] <pangolin> what people say in PM we can't control.
[03:23] <thething> But you would rather blindly ban people and not explain yourselves?
[03:23] <pangolin> what people say in the channel is our business and we take it serious.
[03:23] <thething> Hm...so you are saying it is ok for people to harass others through pm's (people that find one another in your channels)
[03:23] <thething> Alright, I understand now.
[03:23] <pangolin> no.  Please remember to /part.
[03:25] <thething> I'll also be contacting the ircops.
[03:25] <pangolin> !appeals
[03:25] <thething> No, I am not done here yet.
[03:25] <thething> Sorry.
[03:25] <thething> I am here to discuss the problem
[03:25] <pangolin> We are.
[03:25] <thething> Which you all are refusing to do.
[03:25] <thething> Thank you for proving my point.
[07:56] <mysteriousdarren> can I have some help in #ubuntu we have a troll problem
[07:56] <mysteriousdarren> ?
[07:58] <Flannel> mysteriousdarren: Thanks for the heads up.
[07:59] <mysteriousdarren> yes anytime
[08:07] <elky> anything else you need?
[08:08] <mysteriousdarren> sorry leaving forgot I left the tab open have a good night
[08:08] <elky> goodnight, and thanks again
[08:49] <bazhang> bantracker been wiped?
[08:51] <jussi> bazhang: no, just a new implementation where it doesnt show bans till you search methinks
[08:51] <jussi> its fast though :)
[08:52] <bazhang> jussi, yep very fast, just blank here though :)
[08:52] <jussi> bazhang: works for me - try searching for yourself in the operator field
[08:54] <jussi> bazhang: is it working?
[08:55] <bazhang> jussi, sure, just usually check to see recent activity by others; fairly clear on my own bans/quiets
[08:55] <jussi> bazhang: ahh, fair enough. please file a bug.
[09:09] <Myrtti> I was going to say you can have my bans that are active according to the bantracker, but aren't - but I then realised I was looking at the wrong channel
[09:14] <Myrtti> but yeah, the search results are inconsistent with the banlist
[09:15] <Myrtti> or I think it may be
[13:46] <Tm_T> removed
[13:47] <bazhang> ucenik what a surprise
[15:13] <bazhang> decades? guess ubuntu is older than I thought
[15:27] <mneptok> bazhang: maybe it's old enough to ask it to dinner and a movie?
[15:27] <bazhang> mneptok, hehe
[15:35] <h00k> what's that formula...age/2+7 or something?
[15:36] <AlanBell> http://xkcd.com/314/
[15:36] <h00k> Yes. That.
[15:36] <h00k> Also, congrats, AlanBell.
[15:36] <bazhang> YES!
[15:36] <h00k> Haven't seen you since I got the emailz.
[15:36] <AlanBell> thanks h00k
[15:47] <mneptok> 30 is the youngest i could date with the ($AGE/2)+7 rule  :/
[15:48] <h00k> 18.5
[15:52] <Tm_T> date? is that something eatable?
[15:53] <bazhang> I think you mean prune, in this case
[19:26] <oCean> !ping
[21:36] <oCean> !afk > Cinober
[23:55] <pangolin> errrrrrrrrrrr damnit


[17:54] <monteslu> anyone have an issue exiting full screen apps  like tuxtype on 8.04 ?
[17:54] <monteslu> through ltsp, i mean
[23:54] <LaserJock> ogra: I haven't gotten much reaction about denemo
[23:55] <ogra> sorry, havent answered yet i promise i'll do that tomorrow ... (on my way to bed, i need to step down a bit for my health)
[23:55] <LaserJock> ogra: I wasn't poking you, just saying I haven't seen any screams for it to stay
[23:56] <ogra> well, i discussed it with pitti months ago and ae agreed that it wouldnt be to bad to pull in the rest of the deps to main
[23:57] <LaserJock> including jack?
[23:57] <ogra> and i would like to keep it in edubuntu since its great for note setting ... there isnt anything that you can use in that context
[23:57] <ogra> no, but lilypond
[23:57] <LaserJock> right, the problem is that Debian has added new deps
[23:58] <LaserJock> that are perhaps more troublesome
[23:58] <ogra> bah
[23:58] <ogra> well, i'll look tomorrow, i really need to go to bed
[23:58] <LaserJock> yeah, np
[23:59] <ogra> (way over my time already, my doc would kill me if he knew)


[14:49] <KGB-X> gnome-session ubuntu/latest f95fce0 Sebastien Bacher debian/changelog * releasing package gnome-session version 46.0-1ubuntu3.1 * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-session/-/commit/f95fce0
[14:49] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit f95fce0 in gnome-team/gnome-session "releasing package gnome-session version 46.0-1ubuntu3.1"
[14:49] <KGB-X> gnome-session tags f95fce0 Sebastien Bacher ubuntu/46.0-1ubuntu3.1 * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-session/tags/ubuntu/46.0-1ubuntu3.1
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[00:31] <jmichaelx> so has anyone here who uses the proprietary video driver upgraded to raring yet? does VDPAU seem to be functioning acceptably?
[00:32] <OerHeks> raring is in beta, one day away from release
[00:32] <jmichaelx> the nvidia propritary driver*
[00:33] <OerHeks> jmichaelx, try #ubuntu+1
[00:33] <jmichaelx> OerHeks: i'd rather ask here, atm
[00:35] <tyrog> OerHeks: Actually it is release candidate right now xD
[00:37] <Luke-Jr> how do I add apps to the top row of Search and Launch?
[00:45] <OerHeks> even if you find the official iso, you get update errors, grinn
[00:46] <tyrog> OerHeks: what do you mean?
[00:48] <todd> work
[00:56] <todd> Hello, wondering if anyone here can help me with how to install previous version of QT on 13.04
[01:24] <Spaceghost> Hello, I am having a problem with a package of firefox, can someone help me if I put the pastebin with the errors?
[01:25] <Spaceghost> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5599825/
[01:25] <Spaceghost> Here there is.
[01:26] <tyrog> Spaceghost: Paste that on the firefox and ubuntu channels, so you have more people seeing it
[01:26] <Spaceghost> Ok thank you.
[01:30] <Spaceghost> tyrog: are the packages of Kubuntu the same than Ubuntu?
[01:30] <tyrog> Spaceghost: yes
[01:58] <Taggnostr> hello
[01:58] <monkeyjuice> hey
[01:59] <Taggnostr> how can I change the default associations for protocols/extensions (e.g. ftp:// or .mp3)?
[01:59] <Taggnostr> in settings there's "default applications", but it only has a few entries (email, text editor, file manager, IM, terminal, browser, windows manager)
[02:10] <amingv> Taggnostr: for extensions System Settings>File Associations
[02:10] <amingv> Taggnostr: or right click on the file>Properties>File type options
[02:11] <amingv> For protocols, I don't think that you can directly associate them with a particular application
[02:11] <Taggnostr> thanks, I missed that
[02:50] <tyrog> just for curiosity: What is the torrent client people here use with KDE?
[02:51] <Riddell> ktorrent
[02:52] <tyrog> Riddell: is there transmission for Qt?
[02:54] <Riddell> tyrog: what does that mean?
[02:55] <tyrog> Is there the Transmission client from GNOME written to work fine with KDE?
[02:55] <Riddell> what's Transmission?
[02:55] <tyrog> a torrent client, just like Ktorrent is
[02:56] <Riddell> I can see transmission-qt
[02:56] <tyrog> ok, thanks
[04:17] <chachan> hey guys, I'm getting a "Could not locate the org.kde.active.activityscreen package required for the Contour activity screen widget" in the middle of my desktop
[04:18] <chachan> of course, with a big error icon
[04:18] <chachan> any idea?
[04:18] <chachan> I tried installing contour but it wasn't enough
[06:03] <brian6705> I'm having a hard time accessing my Kubuntu LAMP virtual box through my half-way complicated home network.  I think I need help setting up a static route between two routers?
[07:06] <AlexeiRomanov> ok its the 25th!
[07:06] <AlexeiRomanov> WHERE IS IT?!
[07:06] <AlexeiRomanov> 13.04
[07:06] <valorie> lol
[07:06] <AlexeiRomanov> its been the 25th for SIX MINUTES!
[07:06] <valorie> 25th here too
[07:06] <AlexeiRomanov> i WANT the 13.04! :D
[07:06] <valorie> the RC is up
[07:07] <valorie> and I doubt there will be many changes
[07:07] <AlexeiRomanov> yea but when i installed the beta 2, EVERYTHING was broke
[07:07] <valorie> really?
[07:07] <AlexeiRomanov> couldn't update
[07:07] <AlexeiRomanov> yea, went to update and it failed everything
[07:07] <valorie> I've been upgrading on my test boxes, and everything has been butter
[07:07] <valorie> including the RC
[07:07] <valorie> last night
[07:08] <AlexeiRomanov> it COULD have been simply that my wifi was turned off and i hadn't noticed, but i thought i checked that.
[07:08] <AlexeiRomanov> i AM, after all, a ROMANOV
[07:08] <AlexeiRomanov> the Russian Empire is rightfully MINE! step aside, Putin!
[07:09] <AlexeiRomanov> if it really was that i simply forgot to turn the wifi on, after downloading and installing 13.04 Beta 2, and unetbootin it to flash drive... and installing it... and it all failed because i forgot to turn the wifi on to update, then i went all the way back to 12.10.... ugh
[07:10] <AlexeiRomanov> because that would be very embaressing
[07:11] <AlexeiRomanov> i didn't even save the beta 2 either, it went right to flash drive... so i'll have to download it AGAIN
[07:11] <AlexeiRomanov> not that it takes long at 15mbps, but WHY didn't i check the WIFI SWITCH!
[07:14] <AlexeiRomanov> this requires more coffee....
[07:15] <AlexeiRomanov> i'll get into the ubuntu servers and force extract 13.04 from them... i CAN'T WAIT another day!
[07:15] <drkphx> lol starbucks run
[07:15] <AlexeiRomanov> in the beginning, there was only slackware.... and redhat... and then someone said, LET THERE BE UBUNTU KDE! or xfce... whatever your style..
[07:16] <valorie> why can't you just upgrade?
[07:16] <valorie> really, it's fine
[07:16] <AlexeiRomanov> because its not in the software sources :/
[07:17] <AlexeiRomanov> i CLICKED "prerelease updates"
[07:17] <valorie> do an upgrade now, and then update again tomorrow
[07:17] <AlexeiRomanov> my father Nicholas is going to be very heavy handed with Canonical.... if i don't get 13.04 by morning.
[07:17] <valorie> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaringUpgrades/Kubuntu
[07:18] <AlexeiRomanov> geez, doesn't anyone know the history of Russia? Nicholas Romanov was the last tsar and Alexei was his son.
[07:19] <AlexeiRomanov> then the commies murdered the entire Romanov family in a basement, they were only kids.
[07:21] <bazhang> !ot | AlexeiRomanov
[07:21] <valorie> yes, I know all this
[07:21] <valorie> and you are off-topic
[07:21] <AlexeiRomanov> did i just get kicked?
[07:22] <bazhang> AlexeiRomanov, lets move on
[07:22] <AlexeiRomanov> ok, upgrading...
[07:22] <bazhang> AlexeiRomanov, this is NOT the chat channel.
[07:23] <AlexeiRomanov> i'm not chatting! i'm simply acknowledging your authority. you're putting me in a self reinforcing negative feedback loop.
[07:23] <bazhang> #kubuntu-offtopic please AlexeiRomanov
[07:24] <valorie> grrrr
[07:25] <valorie> unwanted PMs are rude
[07:25] <AlexeiRomanov> #kubuntu-ot
[07:27] <AlexeiRomanov> cold hearted human calculators are crude, diseased spirits... goodbye.
[07:50] <vivian> Hellos all
[07:51] <vivian> anyone wanna shhot the breeze about a kubuntu install thats failing?
[07:51] <smartboyhw> vivian: Which release?
[07:51] <vivian> 12.10 64
[07:51] <vivian> 64 bit
[07:52] <smartboyhw> OK
[07:52] <IdleOne> digital: any reason you need 8 clients in here?
[07:53] <vivian> The problem is that I got a new Acer Travelmate. It had windows 7, I reformatted drive, installed windows 7 again after partitioning, leaving half the drive for kubuntu
[07:54] <vivian> when I boot up kubuntu, and install (dual boot purposes) after the install, it reboots all ok, but PC starts in windows 7
[07:54] <vivian> Bios isnt booting from UEFI
[07:54] <vivian> I changed it to Legacy
[07:55] <vivian> Left drive as AHCI
[07:57] <vivian> I am going out, if anyone has some hints, tips, ideas, help, or links, pls message me
[08:02] <JensKapitza> hi, is there a way to remove the Actvities from Kubuntu desktop  for one special user? (right corner icon) - the taskbar icons are removeable but i can't find the delete option at the corner icon
[08:04] <Mamarok> JensKapitza: you can't really remove Activities, but you can remove the icon. It will still be available through the right click on the desktop, though. That's what you want?
[08:09] <JensKapitza> Mamarok: yes
[08:11] <Mamarok> JensKapitza: then please have a look at this blog, there is an update on it for newer versions: http://blog.hanschen.org/2008/10/23/plasma-how-to-remove-the-cashew/
[08:11] <Mamarok> mind you, you are entirely on your own here, not supported by us
[08:11] <Mamarok> and you could have googled that yourself :)
[08:12] <JensKapitza> Mamarok: ^^ thanks (i've googled activites not cashew) but i don't want to remove it for all users just for one
[08:16] <Mamarok> JensKapitza: then it's Stealth Cashew you need
[08:22] <JensKapitza> Mamarok: just moving to the new KDE (unity sucks, and XP user will not move to windows 8  - KDE is much easier to use - [like XP] ), i'm searching some known features know.
[08:24] <JensKapitza> A cool thing is the ability to configure multiple monitors with diffrent views [App-search, ... ]
[08:27] <goodtime> i agree JensKapitza
[08:29] <goodtime> also kubuntu is the most costomizable desktop ive ever used
[10:41] <DLandonCole> hi
[10:42] <DLandonCole> anyone around?
[10:42] <smartboyhw> Hello
[10:42] <DLandonCole> heya
[10:43] <DLandonCole> would you be able to help me with a kubuntu install?
[10:44] <smartboyhw> DLandonCole: Yeah sure. What's the issue?
[10:44] <DLandonCole> i have a 20GB hard drive i'm trying to install onto; it keeps saying that there's not enough space on there
[10:45] <smartboyhw> DLandonCole: Hmm how did you partition it?
[10:45] <DLandonCole> i told it to use the whole thing
[10:45] <DLandonCole> there was a previous install of linux mint
[10:46] <DLandonCole> i'm looking at the partition manager from the live CD and it sees it there as a 20GB drive
[10:46] <DLandonCole> i'm just a bit confused
[10:46] <smartboyhw> DLandonCole: Hmm
[10:46] <DLandonCole> in the manager, though, it's made two partitions
[10:47] <DLandonCole> one is 2.72GiB, and it's trying to install it there
[10:47] <DLandonCole> and then there's a 15.92GB space it seems to have allocated to swap
[10:48] <smartboyhw> DLandonCole: That MUCH swap?!
[10:48] <DLandonCole> yes
[10:48] <smartboyhw> Try re-partitioning then
[10:48] <DLandonCole> should it not have done that from the installer?
[10:49] <smartboyhw> DLandonCole: I think it recongnizes non-swap space…
[10:51] <DLandonCole> ok, i've used the partitionmanager to delete all the partitions and create a single, new ext4 partition on the whole disk
[10:51] <DLandonCole> that sound about right to you?
[10:52] <smartboyhw> DLandonCole: Yep sure:)
[10:52] <DLandonCole> thanks so much for your help
[10:52] <DLandonCole> as you can tell, i'm pretty hopeless at all this :)
[10:53] <smartboyhw> DLandonCole: :)
[10:53] <smartboyhw> It's weird that you are installing 12,10 now
[10:53] <smartboyhw> 13.04 is going out soon (possibly 6-8 hours later)
[10:54] <DLandonCole> oh
[10:54] <DLandonCole> i didn't realise
[10:54] <DLandonCole> well, i'll just get something up and running first :)
[11:15] <taoyunwen> hellp
[11:15] <taoyunwen> hello
[11:15] <kitzune> Happy release day :D
[11:16] <taoyunwen> Yeap!
[11:18] <taoyunwen> Let's talk about our Linux release version and desktop environment?
[11:19] <OerHeks> taoyunwen, it is not out yet
[11:19] <taoyunwen> ^.^
[11:24] <CruX|> new kubuntu will be released today?
[11:25] <goodtime> heh
[11:37] <rosco_y> I was hoping to make more room on my default panel, but when I resize it, my icons grow to be very big--is there a way to fix the icon size on the default panel?
[11:41] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:44] <susundbe1g> _o/
[12:28] <Riddell> Kubuntu 13.04 out!
[12:29]  * rosco_y is not touching 13.04--He's hooked on LTS....
[12:30] <Unit193> Riddell: Congrats!
[13:37] <tyrog> Hello
[13:37] <tyrog> Riddell: What versions of Kubuntu support SecureBoot?
[13:46] <Captain_Proton> Secureboot is a grub or ffs shim thing as nothing to do with linux or DE, but to answer your ? I think 13.04 does have booting support
[13:46] <tyrog> Captain_Proton: does 12.04 lts also have it?
[13:47] <Captain_Proton> I am not sure. I would ask in #ubuntu if noone has the answer here.
[13:48] <Captain_Proton> i thought it start in 12.10 but at best in a guess
[13:48] <Captain_Proton> is*
[13:48] <smartboyhw_> Actually it is 12.10 + 12.04.2 + 13.04
[13:49] <FlameReaper-PC> 13.04 is already out?
[13:50] <FlameReaper-PC> It's time!
[13:50] <smartboyhw_> FlameReaper-PC yes:)
[13:51] <FlameReaper-PC> I hope my university's mirror is back up
[13:51] <FlameReaper-PC> otherwise it can be a big pain >_<
[13:51] <smartboyhw_> LOL
[13:58] <Captain_Proton> I have a urge to install Unity *shiny*
[13:58] <Artakha> well if you like macs
[13:59] <smartboyhw_> Captain_Proton why!;
[13:59] <Captain_Proton> Macs over priced crap
[14:00] <Captain_Proton> something to do.. but I hate mixing gnome and kde apps
[14:00] <Captain_Proton> I guess I will hold out till they write it in QT
[14:02] <Artakha> there should be a qt version of gimp |:
[14:02] <Artakha> albeit it would be rather ironic considering gtk was afaik made for gimp in the first place
[14:05] <Captain_Proton> I like krita but I understand it design for a different purpose
[14:05] <Captain_Proton> there are some great hows and youtube
[14:06] <Artakha> i use kolourpaint for lighter image editing
[14:06] <Artakha> and then gimp as the "heavy arsenal" :P
[14:07] <Artakha> i should try krita out though
[14:08] <kitzune> Should I do a fresh install of final 13.04 or just upgrade my daily build?
[14:08] <Captain_Proton> kitzune: upgrades have work very well for many years
[14:09] <SonikkuAmerica> kitzune: If you have the daily, you should be fine.
[14:09] <smartboyhw_> kitzune: Upgrade is OK
[14:10] <Captain_Proton> I wonder if unity is moving to qt will they start shipping more kde apps over gtk?
[14:12] <SonikkuAmerica> Captain_Proton: I feel like they already have. Empathy now uses the KDE notifier sounds.
[14:12] <SonikkuAmerica> Captain_Proton: in Unuty
[14:12] <SonikkuAmerica> *Unity
[14:13] <Captain_Proton> imo kontact is far better then thunderbird or evolution
[14:15] <Captain_Proton> like krdc over remmia which had many problem over the years
[14:16] <Captain_Proton> man how many are it guys? I love being one but many is it boring :D
[14:16] <Captain_Proton> man*
[14:42] <pianogmx> hey guys...  has anyone reported problems doing an upgrade within Software Updates in kubuntu?
[14:42]  * pianogmx worried that something would break
[14:45] <Captain_Proton> pianogmx: did your upgrade fail?
[14:46] <pianogmx> Captain_Proton: no i havent tried it yet... i just want to make sure I dont break anything by upgrading
[14:47] <Captain_Proton> pianogmx: I always do my from the terminal. as it may try to replace something that may be locked. but for the most part I never had any problems
[14:48] <pianogmx> okay... im going to hold my breath and click upgrade
[14:48] <pianogmx> unless you suggest doing it from the terminal?
[14:48] <Captain_Proton> If it was me I would but I am old school
[14:50] <Captain_Proton> pianogmx: if you want to do it that way : sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[14:50] <genii-around> To jump versions, you need: sudo do-release-upgrade
[14:51] <pianogmx> genii-around: what do you mean jump versions?
[14:51] <smartboyhw_> pianogmx: 12.10 -> 13.04
[14:52] <genii-around> pianogmx: To go from for instance 12.10 to 13.04   dist-upgrade will only bump your kernel version higher for the distribution you're already running, if one is available
[14:52] <Captain_Proton> he right my bad!
[14:53] <pianogmx> huh... my do-release-upgrade has an error in it
[14:53] <Drag0nflamez> hi
[14:53] <Drag0nflamez> I just updated to Raring, and it looks all weird
[14:53] <Drag0nflamez> and mismatched
[14:54] <smartboyhw_> Drag0nflamez: How?
[14:55] <Drag0nflamez> smartboyhw_ well, kickoff menu edges look mismatched, just like desktop widgets
[14:57] <genii-around> pianogmx: What sort of error? Please pastebin
[14:58] <pianogmx> whats the quick way to paste terminal stuff to pastbin?
[14:58] <pianogmx> i forgot
[14:58] <genii-around> pianogmx: pastebinit for terminal
[14:58] <genii-around> !pastebinit
[14:59] <Drag0nflamez_> back apparently
[15:00] <Drag0nflamez> smartboyhw_: well, kickoff menu edges look mismatched, just like desktop widgets
[15:02] <pianogmx> http://pastebin.com/atnEu2xd
[15:03] <pianogmx> the terminal thing didn't work right.
[15:03] <pianogmx> sudo do-release-upgrade
[15:03] <Drag0nflamez> ok, i just updated to raring and plasma desktop now looks all weird
[15:05] <mmind_> salut, des français pour me guider pour l'utilisation IRC ?
[15:05] <Drag0nflamez> mon francais n'est pas bon, excuse-moi
[15:05] <smartboyhw_> !fr | mmind_
[15:06] <genii-around> pianogmx: Perhaps try: sudo do-release-upgrade --mode=desktop
[15:06] <pianogmx> genii-around: did you check my pastebin?
[15:06] <pianogmx> genii-around: ok
[15:06] <mmind_> thanks
[15:06] <genii-around> pianogmx: Yes, I checked it. Just I'm at work too so back and forth from the computer :)
[15:07] <pianogmx> genii-around: nope same error
[15:08] <genii-around> Interesting. I haven't seen this error before.
[15:08] <pianogmx> what package handles do-release-upgrade ? maybe broken package
[15:09] <genii-around> pianogmx: update-manager-core and update-manager-kde
[15:14] <genii-around> pianogmx: You should also ensure that any non-standard repositories you may have manually added to /etc/apt/sources.list are commented out, additionally that any PPA you added are removed.
[15:20] <pianogmx> genii-around: i am in the process of updating the core files for upgrading ....
[15:22] <palasso> This section is blank: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/ReleaseNotes#Kubuntu Should there be a reference to http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-13.04 as with the section above (Xubuntu) ?
[15:25] <palasso> Sorry I meant below not above
[15:26] <pianogmx> genii-around: yep... my upgrade core files were out of date.  i got it to run now
[15:27] <genii-around> pianogmx: Cool.
[15:30] <pianogmx> now i got to find something fun to do for like an hour while this is doing its thing
[15:32] <SonikkuAmerica> pianogmx: Whaddaya mean?
[15:32] <pianogmx> SonikkuAmerica: im bored and i dont know what to do lol... just looking at headlines at lxer right now
[15:33] <SonikkuAmerica> pianogmx: I assume you're performing a release upgrade...
[15:33] <pianogmx> SonikkuAmerica: yes I am.
[15:33] <SonikkuAmerica> pianogmx: Homerun or Kicker?
[15:33] <pianogmx> SonikkuAmerica: huh?
[15:34] <SonikkuAmerica> pianogmx: You now have a choice of which app launcher to use, courtesy of the KDE people!
[15:34] <pianogmx> SonikkuAmerica: oh wow.  i have followed KDE news much... i guess ill go read about that.
[15:37] <pianogmx> oh wow... homerun looks interesting but maybe perhaps a little to "large" for me personally.
[15:38] <pianogmx> SonikkuAmerica: /\
[15:40] <SonikkuAmerica> pianogmx: It's designed similar to Unity and both are now written in Qt.
[15:40] <pianogmx> SonikkuAmerica: yeah... I know my girlfriend would like it.
[15:40] <palasso> More info here: http://userbase.kde.org/Plasma_application_launchers
[15:40] <SonikkuAmerica> pianogmx: I wonder what my crush would think. About Ubuntu in general.
[15:41] <pianogmx> SonikkuAmerica: ?
[15:42] <SonikkuAmerica> Hain't used nuttin' but Windows, she.
[15:42] <SonikkuAmerica> :)
[15:42] <pianogmx> i set my girlfriend on a dual boot between ubuntu and windows on her netbook
[15:43] <pianogmx> right now I see her using windows 8 more... I think her ubuntu broke or she just wants to use windows for now.
[15:43] <SonikkuAmerica> Touch netbook by any chance?
[15:43] <pianogmx> i on the other had, virtualize windows since my school teaches stuff that requires Windows...
[15:44] <SonikkuAmerica> I virtualize for music notation software only.
[15:44] <SonikkuAmerica> I doesn't work in Wine.
[15:44] <pianogmx> SonikkuAmerica: no.  havent got one of those yet
[15:44] <SonikkuAmerica> *Ittttttttt
[15:45] <pianogmx> SonikkuAmerica: saw that they had a tablet image for the nexus? i think?  that makes me want to get a tablet....
[15:46] <SonikkuAmerica> pianogmx: It's Unity, but it looks good thus far; Galaxy Nexus, Nexus 4/7/10 (GSM only)
[15:46] <pianogmx> SonikkuAmerica:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install - yeah... it does look interesting
[15:46] <palasso> Since this channel is used for Kubuntu support you may want to check out #kubuntu-offtopic
[15:47] <pianogmx> palasso: lol... my bad
[15:47] <SonikkuAmerica> Yeah...  I did the upgrade 72 hours ago.
[15:52] <pianogmx> my terminal is bouncing between 45 mins to 1hr 15 mins
[15:53] <lordievader> Good afternoon
[15:54] <pianogmx> its still morning for me
[15:54] <pianogmx> drinking coffeee
[15:54] <SonikkuAmerica> lordievader: Good morning from `Murrica!
[15:56] <lordievader> Hey pianogmx, SonikkuAmerica. How are you guys/girls?
[15:56] <SonikkuAmerica> I'm a guy and I'm good
[15:57]  * pianogmx is a man with dr pepper on his mind
[15:57] <lordievader> Ohh Dr. Pepper haven't drank that in a while. But I'm going offtopic...
[16:18] <AlexZion> hi everyone, why there is an automatic cancghe of version in kubuntu !?!
[16:19] <AlexZion> tobay I just start my machine  and there was the icon for Upgrade ....., but just clicking it , it's started the procedure to upgrade to 13.04 ...., we are sure that to force people to upgrade is the best choice ?
[16:20] <FlameReaper-PC> Woo, sweet boot screen.
[16:20] <pianogmx> AlexZion: did it prompt you to enter in your credentials?
[16:20] <FlameReaper-PC> At least much better than the previous versions
[16:22] <pianogmx> AlexZion: in no shape or form was i coherced into upgrading into 13.04, so it apparently seems from my point of view that your are trying to find something to speak negative about kubuntu just based on some off the hat generalization.
[16:31] <AlexZion> yeah sure pianogmx as you say , but I just Open my desk ...., click on tinme on the icno that normally is for a normal update , and the procedure do upgrade to 13.04 , it's just started , without asking me nothing ......., congratulayion ..., this is the  best way to make the biggest damage you can , canching version ....., congratulation again guys ....., finally I decide .........
[16:33] <pianogmx> AlexZion: congragulations... you possibly hit a bug..  consule https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs in reporting a bug .  Im sorry that Kubuntu doesn't uphold your expectations.
[16:34] <pianogmx> AlexZion: feel like you are better programmer than the people who programmed it? http://www.kubuntu.org/community/contribute please contribute than crticiize.  I am sure your not perfect... neither are we.
[16:34] <AlexZion> I use Kubuntu sonce 8.04 pianogmx but I'm getting tired of those things ...., seems in jubuntu the real goal is to keeo away users ....., and you do very well .............., anyway probablly I souldn't say nothing and just change distro .....
[16:35] <AlexZion> I'm not a programmer , and is not a programm error to make the problem ......, anyway ....., forgive me to disturb you pianogmx.....
[16:38] <AlexZion> ahh , and thanks to anyone for this , so now Ill have to spend hours or maybe more , to fix it ...., thanks guys ......
[16:45] <Captain_Proton> AlexZion: I have heard alot of good things about suse. Also there is option in update manager to tell how and what you like to upgrade.
[16:46]  * pianogmx  - "Close minded people use the computer in a close minded way, and instead of realizing the imperfect reality of human beings, feel the need to criticize rather than to build up"
[16:47] <pianogmx> If Alex was seriously using Kubuntu since 8.04, then wouldn't the person just wise up and realize that no OS (Windows, Linux distros, Mac) are perfect in their very nature...
[16:48] <AlexZion> Captain_Proton:  yeah I'll check some other option to use KDE without be worried about it , I need a distro to work , and I cannot even image that it do something like this ...
[16:48] <pianogmx> so just a heads up AlexZion, nothing is perfect.  its just your willingness to work with imperfection.
[16:49] <pianogmx> hey i thought 13.04 was using a 3.8.x kernel?
[16:49] <AlexZion> pianogmx:  just one things , defending those stupid error , because they are , you are not making a good service to kubuntu ...., anyway , is just point of view
[16:49] <AlexZion> here it seems not a real problem of perfect software
[16:49] <Captain_Proton> AlexZion: I understand. I did distro upgrade is check by default. so why it did it. if you are running 8.04 were yo u staying there for 3.5 kde
[16:50] <Captain_Proton> i did check*
[16:50] <pianogmx> AlexZion, i didn't defened, rather I opened the idea of you contributing  by sending a bug report or fixing it yourself.
[16:50] <AlexZion> I'm on 12.10 Captain_Proton..., but it'sd ok , don't worry ......
[16:51] <AlexZion> I even tried to partecipate pianogmx but anytime the answer eas , not we will not change taht comma , so, after a while ......, you know ...
[16:52] <AlexZion> anyway , sorry to disturb you guys ......, and don't worry about what I said ....., have fun .....
[17:03] <mikkle> Muon shows a distribution upgrade, but when I click "upgrade", nothing happens.
[17:04] <mikkle> I've tried updating software sources, etc. but nothing works
[17:04] <pianogmx> mikkle, you might have stumbled into the same problem i have had...
[17:04] <pianogmx> mikkle: i had to upgrade some packages in order to allow the upgrade to work
[17:05] <mikkle> pianogmx, no packages show up for upgrading
[17:06] <mikkle> if I do a "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" it says that 0 packages will be upgraded
[17:07] <mikkle> if I do a "sudo do-release-upgrade" it appears to be able to upgrade it...I haven't done it yet just in case this is not a safe method of upgrading
[17:07] <mikkle> does anything know?
[17:07] <mikkle> I meant, "anyone"
[17:08] <pianogmx> mikkle: i had to look through my logs
[17:08] <pianogmx> mikkle: try going into terminal and reinstall 'update-manager-core'
[17:09] <mikkle> aha
[17:09] <mikkle> how?
[17:09] <mikkle> is apt-get reinstall a command?
[17:10] <mikkle> btw, I have the backports repo enabled
[17:10] <pianogmx> mikkle: sudo apt-get remove update-manager-core
[17:10] <pianogmx> mikkle: sudo apt-get install update-manager-core
[17:10] <pianogmx> before you do that though... do sudo apt-get update
[17:11] <AlexZion> well it's quite funny ; I didn't want to upgrade and the procedure starts just with a click....., people who want to upgrade they cannot ....., wow  really excellent release ....
[17:11] <pianogmx> AlexZion: to each his own...
[17:12] <pianogmx> AlexZion: let me know when you do something optimistic and constructive in the channel. id be impressed
[17:13] <mikkle> I got it to work by running "sudo do-release-upgrade -f kde -d"
[17:13] <mikkle> it opens the "Distribution Upgrade" tool and starts a proper upgrade process
[17:13] <AlexZion> well pianogmx, sorry , but I will not anyore, I tried in the past but without result .....
[17:14] <pianogmx> mikkle: cool.
[17:15] <mikkle> pianogmx, thanks for you help through these rough upgrade times
[17:16] <pianogmx> mikkle: no problem.  im kinda upgrading myself right now
[17:16] <mikkle> AlexZion, sometimes shit happens when using linux where you expect it shouldn't. fortunately there's a tremendously awesome community which usually gets these things sorted out fast, with a little searching
[17:17] <mikkle> And a new stable Catalyst (13.4) was released today. It's like upgrade heaven.
[17:17] <AlexZion> hi mikkle I know very well , and that's why I'm using it since years, but those kind of thing shouldn't never happen, I mean is the basic ......
[17:18] <pianogmx> AlexZion is just a troll who likes to run their mouth spreading FUD about Linux... possibly doesn't even have Linux installed on their PC but rather in a virtualbox and is using Windows right now...
[17:18] <mikkle> AlexZion, they shouldn't but they do so often that I've given up expecting the ideal and complaining about it when the less-than-ideal arises
[17:18] <AlexZion> mikkle: I mean is quite useless to have the most stable system , if open your pc and click on the normal upgrade icon , the system will detroy himself  ....
[17:18] <AlexZion> yeah pianogmx you got it buddy ....... ;)
[17:19] <mikkle> AlexZion, I don't think I get you. I have to admit though, on a side, that a totally problem-free system is boring
[17:20] <AlexZion> well , so we should build a system that has ramndom problem at any starts ...., it would be much more funny mikkle ?
[17:20] <mikkle> ok I'm out...back running 13.04 :)
[17:21] <pianogmx> mikkle.... nice
[17:22] <AlexZion> anyway , I really like Kubuntu and I already said , I used it for daily work since the most unstable version of it 8.04..., but like anytime someone  here tried to say something become troll ......
[17:28] <AlexZion> pianogmx:  just for you information about a new troll, I have a kubuntu 13.04 installed on Vbox as well since the alpha1 but for testing purpose ...., and I would like to decide by myself when to Upgrade , that's why I'm so disappointed about this problem ....
[18:05] <atox> howdy, my plasma panel seems to have lost its transparency in the upgrade to raring, and I can't get it back. Compositing is enabled. Any help?
[18:05] <pianogmx> well i managed to get my lappy to 13.04 without a hitch.
[18:05] <pianogmx> atox, have you tried re-applying your theme?
[18:05] <atox> I did, no such luck
[18:06] <pianogmx> atox, are you using the built in themes or a downloaded theme?
[18:06] <atox> default themes
[18:06] <pianogmx> atox, which one?
[18:06] <atox> Oxygen + Air
[18:07] <pianogmx> huh... i have no ideas.  might be something to do with graphic drivers rendering transparency...???
[18:07] <pianogmx> atox, what gfx card you have?
[18:08] <atox> toggling the Blur effect seems to have solved it, magically, silly compositing
[18:08] <pianogmx> atox, oh lol.
[18:08] <pianogmx> i just played with the homerun launcher... kindof impressive...
[18:20] <pianogmx> meh... had to switch to kicker.  i might not be used to homerun because its new to me... but i like kicker better.
[18:20] <manenbu> If I have 13.04 beta installed do I need to do anything special to get the final release or is it automatically updated?
[18:30] <ahoneybun> manenbu: just run muon update manager and let it update everything for you
[18:30] <ahoneybun> pianogmx: I like them both
[18:30] <manenbu> thx
[18:31] <pianogmx> manenbu: ahoneybun if i remember correctly, if you ran beta, you need to change a setting to make sure you get stable updates vs bleeding edge?
[18:32] <manenbu> any idea where that setting is?
[18:32] <ahoneybun> pianogmx: you mean for muon to look for normal releases over LTS?
[18:32] <pianogmx> manenbu: i would double check that you also UNCHECK Pre-relased updatings in Software & Updates...
[18:33] <manenbu> it's unchecked
[18:33] <manenbu> thanks
[18:33] <ahoneybun> manenbu: cool
[18:33] <pianogmx> manenbu: cool
[18:58] <Artakha> hmm
[18:58] <Artakha> i'm upgrading to 13.04 and the updater seems stuck
[18:59] <Artakha> http://paste.kde.org/732296/
[19:01] <Artakha> ........ -_\\ there was a dialog open
[19:01] <Artakha> i am so stupid
[19:04] <OerHeks> No, you are not.
[19:18] <Hello9> Hello :)
[19:18] <Hello9> Wanted to share a new programming forum: http://thedevshed.net/forum/
[19:18] <Hello9> Feel free to join :)
[19:25] <al3rto> does anyone know if there exists a ''latexdraw'' channel
[19:31] <ostpathus> Hi there, could i ask a question?
[20:29] <ethang> I just upgraded my laptop to 13.04 and my desktop is a blank black screen with a mouse pointer that moves but the buttons don't do anything.  any ideas?
[20:32] <monkeyjuice> ethang:  so you upgraded the desktop also?
[20:33] <monkeyjuice> or are you talking about the laptop
[20:33] <ethang> monkeyjuice: I just upgraded it with the automatic upgrader
[20:33] <ethang> I'm talking about the laptop
[20:33] <monkeyjuice> you boots to login screen?
[20:33] <ethang> soryr
[20:33] <ethang> Oh yes
[20:34] <ethang> login screen is fine
[20:34] <monkeyjuice> have you tryed just rebooting
[20:34] <ethang> monkeyjuice: several times
[20:38] <monkeyjuice> do you no what video card you have?
[20:39] <ethang> I'm rebooting again - I'll try lspci when I get back to the command prompt
[20:40] <goodtime> isnt command prompt windows lol?
[20:41] <ethang> :-\
[20:43] <ethang> monkeyjuice: NVIDIA Corp G94GLM [Quadro FX 2700M]
[20:52] <monkeyjuice> ethang:  not sure but seems your nvidia drivers are the problem , might ask at #ubuntu+1 see is someone can help ya
[20:54] <SonikkuAmerica> #ubuntu+1 ? That's for 13.10
[20:54] <monkeyjuice> ok wasnt sure
[20:54] <monkeyjuice> thanks
[20:55] <SonikkuAmerica> We're a-supportin' 13.04 NAO
[20:55] <SonikkuAmerica> !topic
[20:55] <monkeyjuice> ok any ideas on the nvidia drivers?
[20:55] <SonikkuAmerica> !nvidia
[20:55] <SonikkuAmerica> If you checked there and didn't find a solution...
[20:56] <SonikkuAmerica> I might be able to help... when was the last time I used Kubuntu? Doesn't matter really in this case...
[20:57] <monkeyjuice> not me ethang upgraded and now has blacksreen after login , running nvidia card
[20:57] <ethang> with mouse pointer and perfect pop-up windows
[20:57] <SonikkuAmerica> k
[20:58] <SonikkuAmerica> ethang: Did you use Additional Drivers or a script?
[20:58] <ethang> SonikkuAmerica: no
[20:58] <SonikkuAmerica> Neither one?
[20:58] <ethang> nope - just the little upgrade icon
[20:58] <ethang> did it automatically
[20:59] <SonikkuAmerica> Are you using a tty now to talk to us, or another device?
[20:59] <ethang> a different computer
[20:59] <ethang> I have ther laptop up & running
[20:59] <ethang> *the
[20:59] <SonikkuAmerica> Hit Ctrl+Alt+F1 and log in
[21:04] <ethang> SonikkuAmerica: done
[21:05] <ethang> I can get krunner working and konsole on the desktop
[21:05] <ethang> they look perfect
[21:06] <SonikkuAmerica> But nothing else?
[21:06] <SonikkuAmerica> [ lspci ] and pastebin the result
[21:06] <ethang> haven't tried
[21:07] <ethang> SonikkuAmerica: please provide url for pastebin.  sorry
[21:07] <SonikkuAmerica> !pastebin
[21:07] <SonikkuAmerica> First http:// link
[21:21] <ethang> SonikkuAmerica: here we are
[21:22] <SonikkuAmerica> ethang: OK... try [ sudo apt-get purge nvidia* ]
[21:23] <ethang> OK done
[21:24] <SonikkuAmerica> Do you know your login name?
[21:24] <ethang> yes
[21:24] <SonikkuAmerica> Good. Reboot. Tell me if you get a console login.
[21:24] <goodtime> hmm
[21:25] <goodtime> i wonder if this was a mistake then
[21:25] <SonikkuAmerica> goodtime: What?
[21:25] <goodtime> upgradeing lol
[21:25] <SonikkuAmerica> Why?
[21:25] <thelionroars> problems?
[21:25] <goodtime> no
[21:25] <goodtime> not done upgradeing yet
[21:26] <ethang> just wait
[21:26] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh. 'Tis a matter of paciencia
[21:26] <goodtime> i hope it isnt and i hope it see'e my ihone
[21:26] <ethang> SonikkuAmerica: I get the KDE login screen
[21:26] <goodtime> see's*
[21:26] <SonikkuAmerica> OK. Log in.
[21:26] <SonikkuAmerica> ethang: ^
[21:27] <goodtime> iphone wont work on kubuntu so far
[21:27] <SonikkuAmerica> !info gpod
[21:27] <SonikkuAmerica> !info libgpod
[21:27] <SonikkuAmerica> NO.
[21:27] <goodtime> and it doesnt see my hp officejet 6500+ wirelss allinone
[21:28] <natman> did a update from 12.04 -> 12.10 it changed a few things and messed some things up. Should i do a fresh install to go from 12.10 ->13.04?
[21:28] <SonikkuAmerica> goodtime: Try GTKPod.
[21:28] <ethang> SonikkuAmerica: ok just heard the KDE startup music - konsole and firefox are both on the screen - still black though
[21:28] <SonikkuAmerica> natman: Your call, really...
[21:28] <ethang> no panel, icons, nothing
[21:28] <goodtime> i did natt but ty SonikkuAmerica
[21:28] <SonikkuAmerica> ethang: Is there a taskbar?
[21:28] <ethang> no
[21:28] <goodtime> notta*
[21:28] <natman> SonikkuAmerica: how is 13.04 looking anyways compared to 12.10?
[21:29] <SonikkuAmerica> natman: KDE SC 4.10; Homerun or Kicker app launchers; extremely nice and sleek too.
[21:30] <SonikkuAmerica> ethang: Hmm... at least X11 works... did you look in Additional Drivers?
[21:30] <SonikkuAmerica> ethang: Or whatever the KDE equiv is?
[21:30] <ethang> SonikkuAmerica: where to find?
[21:31] <SonikkuAmerica> ethang: I would say System Settings... but you don't have a taskbar...
[21:32] <SonikkuAmerica> ethang: Oh, here: [ systemsettings ] from the konsole
[21:32] <ethang> OK up and running
[21:33] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh goodness... running Unity, trying to envision where the drivers section is...
[21:34] <ethang> my window manager got purged with the nvidia drivers.  I need to reinstall
[21:34] <Artakha> hmm
[21:34] <Artakha> updated to 13.04 - kwin seems very slow at updating window decorations
[21:34] <SonikkuAmerica> ethang: Get 13.04! (Or just 12.04, doesn't matter.)
[21:35] <ethang> SonikkuAmerica: this is 13.04
[21:35] <SonikkuAmerica> ethang: Before you do, try [ sudo apt-get -y install --reinstall kubuntu-desktop ]
[21:36] <SonikkuAmerica> ethang: 2 lines up. Read.
[21:36] <ethang> SonikkuAmerica: working...
[21:37] <ethang> SonikkuAmerica: should I restart?
[21:37] <ethang> probably
[21:37] <SonikkuAmerica> ethang: Wait till it's done.
[21:37] <ethang> it is
[21:37] <SonikkuAmerica> Reboot. And wait while I grab a Pepsi.
[21:37] <ethang> rebooting
[21:38] <Artakha> this oxygen font is neat
[21:38] <monkeyjuice> looks like jockey-text -- list    gives you driver list
[21:39] <SonikkuAmerica> Artakha: It's "Ubuntu." (Unless you're actually using that font.)
[21:39] <Artakha> ..?
[21:39] <Artakha> they're quite clearly two separate fonts
[21:41] <SonikkuAmerica> Artakha: The actual "Oxygen" font, then?
[21:41] <Artakha> yes
[21:41] <Artakha> the ubuntu font's neat too though
[21:42] <ethang> no panel or background
[21:46] <SonikkuAmerica> ethang: Nuts.
[21:46] <SonikkuAmerica> Try installing jockey-text
[21:46] <SonikkuAmerica> ethang: ^
[21:46] <ethang> SonikkuAmerica: my battery is running out and I'm hungry.  I think I'll give up for now and try again later
[21:47] <SonikkuAmerica> ethang: kbai
[22:16] <efes> helloo :)
[22:17] <efes> I'm looking for an iso that fits a cd, not dvd. Newest 13.x is over 900 mbs :/
[22:18] <thelionroars> I think Ubuntu and variants have moved away from CD sized images
[22:21] <thelionroars> You can still get the LTS version (12.04.2) as a CD sized image
[22:24] <arrrrgh> i stepped away from my computer. i went to another one. played around a bit with xrdp. i connected to the original computer with it and quickly disconnected. then i return to the computer and now i can't get back to the original session. it's on :11 of all places. how can i log into it?
[22:26] <arrrrgh> maybe this really isn't a kubuntu issue
[22:26] <arrrrgh> i'm going to ask elsewhere
[22:55] <bjrohan> Hey everyone. I am installing Ubuntu Server 13.04. I am at a point where it is asking what I would like to install. What is the difference between Kubuntu Active and kubuntu desktop
[23:02] <DarthFrog> bjrohan: Active is for tablets.
[23:05] <thelionroars> bjrohan you want the server edition if you are going to run it headless (without a GUI). Consider Kubuntu or another desktop version if you want to have a GUI only
[23:08] <luc4> Anyone using 13.04 under vmware?
[23:08] <keithzg> So, Muon Updater tells me "A new version of Kubuntu is available" and gives me a fancy button to click on to "Upgrade", but literally nothing happens when I click it.
[23:09]  * keithzg is tempted to just open a VT and do-release-upgrade
[23:09] <luc4> keithzg: happened to me as well, I used the command line
[23:10] <luc4> Anyone else who is unable to make the panel appear when it is at the bottom of the screen?
[23:18] <goodtime> anyone ever make a bot useing irssi here?
[23:20] <goodtime>  the editing of that path usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.6.1 is probably what's required for kubuntu
[23:20] <goodtime> but i want to be careful
[23:22] <thelionroars> goodtime: I have made a simple one
[23:22] <goodtime> sweet
[23:23] <goodtime> help me please
[23:23] <thelionroars> did not give it any inputs, it just spits out a line every now and again
[23:23] <goodtime> ok
[23:23] <goodtime> :)
[23:23] <thelionroars> is that what you're after?
[23:23] <goodtime> i just need a simple bot that show international weather
[23:24] <thelionroars> based on input?
[23:24] <goodtime> and other simple ping
[23:24] <goodtime> yes thelionroars
[23:24] <thelionroars> ah ok
[23:24] <thelionroars> I haven't worked out how to pipe input to it
[23:24] <goodtime> like this !weather 02114
[23:24] <thelionroars> mine is piping output from a simple python script
[23:25] <goodtime> im useing irssi and its pearl script
[23:25] <thelionroars> which I run using python -u my_script | irc mybotsname irc.yourircnetwork.org -c '#channelname password'
[23:26] <thelionroars> it needs to run unbuffered or you won't get your output sent
[23:26] <goodtime> ok
[23:26] <goodtime> ty
[23:27] <thelionroars> np, let me know if you get input working :)
[23:27] <goodtime> i that command i need to study more
[23:28] <goodtime> i need to understand it more than i do but i kinda got it
[23:28] <goodtime> do i need tobe root?
[23:28] <thelionroars> no
[23:28] <goodtime> good lol
[23:29] <goodtime> im taking my time
[23:29] <goodtime> ill get back to thelionroars
[23:29] <goodtime> ty thelionroars
[23:29] <thelionroars> that was an obscure question, you were pretty luck to get an answer :P
[23:41] <figure8car> Hello
[23:42] <figure8car> I want to know how I can install the same QT development tools in 13.04 that were offered in 12.10
[23:43] <figure8car> I have tried editing etc/apt/sources.list but conflicts arrise.... Any ideas?
[23:44] <goodtime> idk figure8car but you might have to do it
[23:44] <goodtime> oops
[23:45] <goodtime> idk figure8car but you might have to do it a differnt way idk
[23:46] <figure8car> I was able to install QtCreator 2.5.2, but it is basically a single package.
[23:46] <figure8car> Installing the 4.8.3 libraries looks to have many deps that a package manger should handle
[23:48] <figure8car> there is a bug with the new tools that I see only with the new tool set, so I assume its in the new QT5x kit
[23:48] <figure8car> Creator 2.7.0


[23:31] <muep> I got myself a copy of a project with bzr co and made some changes to it which I would like to send back upstream. In case I do not wish to create a new public repository, what would be the most appropriate way to get a patch file that I could send?
[23:34] <muep> just running bzr diff produces at least a plain patch, but is there anything which'd maybe let me commit my work first and then send patches with commit messages and other metadata?


[00:57] <smoser1> do i just hit 'squash and merge' ? on https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/589
[00:57] <smoser> or does a bot do it
[13:01] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: We don't have a bot (yet), so please go ahead!
[13:10] <Odd_Bloke> falcojr: OK, cool, we might conflict but it shouldn't be too hard to fix if we do; and that option name is *chef's kiss*.
[13:13] <Odd_Bloke> otubo: smoser: I'm not going to wade into that IBM discussion, but note that https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/code_review.html#prerequisites-for-landing-pull-requests lays out our unit testing requirement.
[13:13] <Odd_Bloke> In case you want some ammunition. ;)
[13:23] <otubo> Odd_Bloke: appologies, english is not my first language. But "lay out" as in "eliminates the requirement for unit tests" or as in "confirms the need of unit tests"? I got confused because of "In case you want some ammunition." :-D
[13:23] <otubo> Also, any chance to take a look at https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/586 ?
[13:26] <Odd_Bloke> falcojr: https://travis-ci.org/github/OddBloke/cloud-init/jobs/731932198 \o/
[13:26] <Odd_Bloke> Just plugging it into our current configuration appears to have worked.
[13:28] <Odd_Bloke> otubo: Apologies!  "lays out" as in "describes", and the requirement it describes is that new Python code should have unit tests (and so it "confirms the need of unit tests").
[13:31] <otubo> Odd_Bloke: Ah nice, thanks :-)
[13:37] <Odd_Bloke> otubo: So I'm looking at that PR, and I think there's an issue in the pre-existing code: specifically, I think https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/blob/master/cloudinit/ssh_util.py#L265 will always raise an IndexError (run `python3 -c "x = []; x[0] = 'foo'"` to see what I mean).  Have you tested this change in an environment where it would be triggered?
[13:57] <meena> python isn't php??
[13:58] <catphish> basically the same think though right :)
[13:59] <meena> i mean, this also works on Ruby, but Ruby is """inspired""" by perl (and Smalltalk)
[14:01] <meena> so, i knew these things, but i only ever considered them separately, and now, thinking about these two things at the same time, and how they make this one language makes my head spin
[14:16] <otubo> Odd_Bloke: sorry was on a meeting. But yes, the patch was tested (I generally test it on the env before a PR) and it works. But I understand what you're saying. I think .append('foo') would fix it.
[14:19] <smoser> Odd_Bloke: so what type of merge do i do ?
[14:19] <smoser> the button for me says "Squash and merge". But I think that is just the value from the last time i did it.
[14:19] <smoser> (rather than a project-set value)
[14:20] <smoser> which am i supposed to do
[14:23] <powersj> we only allow squash and merging
[14:23] <powersj> if you click on the little arrow the other two options should be greyed out
[15:37] <catphish> tds: i'm working on the thing i threatened :) https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/VFJ3Kz8475/
[15:37] <catphish> it's actually going quite well
[15:40] <catphish> so it sends a multicast request to its first interface, the hypervisor responds to say hello, then it can pull config by TCP with no prior network config needed
[16:34] <smoser> powersj: thanks.
[17:39] <AnhVoMSFT> @blackboxsw @rharper https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/591 this is the PR to fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1874544 using the approach we discussed during the summit
[18:02] <alschaapman> Does any part of cloud-init's first time boot process *not* get put into the initramfs
[18:02] <alschaapman> It seems like everything that's supposed to be needed for that happens before the root filesystem is mounted
[19:20] <teward> does anyone have a ton of experience with pxe boot and preprovisioning a systme with a cloud-init, and can give some guidance on telling the LVM system to use the entire available disk for the LVM LV rather than only half the PV that it gets?  (I think the lvm defaults for cloud-init/curtin are fubar, but not sure how to tell it to use full disk, when using the plain jane 'lvm' storage option without custom configuration of the storage)
[19:20] <teward> i'd rather not have to provide a full disk layout in cloud-init if possible
[19:28] <powersj> smoser, rharper ^ is that possible?
[19:29] <smoser> teward: i think yuou're talking about curtin, right ?
[19:30] <teward> smoser: it's called underneath cloud-init I assume, yes.  I know in KVM-powered (LXD) VMs, growpart can be used to grow the partitions to full for the system, but what I'm after is building the LVM so that the default LV actually getws 100% of the PV that is autocreated not 50%
[19:30] <teward> (which is what my tests are seeing)
[19:31] <teward> smoser: the *problem* is in the curtin docs I can't find *anything* that would allow me to define 100% consumption of the PV by the LV *unless* I structure the entire disk layout from scratch, which I'm trying to not do :P
[19:32] <smoser> well... i'm not sure what you actually have.
[19:32] <rharper> this is the autoinstall yaml
[19:32] <rharper> for subiquity
[19:32] <smoser> i've nto used lxd kvm guests (i guess i could try)
[19:32] <rharper> pretty sure
[19:32] <smoser> surely lxd doesn't do a install
[19:32] <rharper> oh, maybe not
[19:32]  * rharper catches up
[19:33] <rharper> how/where is the rootfs getting backed by lvm ?
[19:34] <teward> smoser: no, it doesn't, but i'm trying to do full VM autoinstalls via PXE
[19:34] <teward> smoser: so i'm familiar with cloud-init having growparts available, but not sure how to achieve similar with a pure LVM in a pxe boot
[19:35] <teward> hence my needing a bit of an assist with the autoinstall yaml :|
[19:35] <smoser> oh. i'm not familiar at all with subiquity autoinstall yaml.
[19:35] <rharper> right, autoinstall yaml;  so curtin storage yaml supports using 100%FREE on an LV with no size key;
[19:36] <rharper> w.r.t to a PV, you can feed any curtin storage disk (or partition, or other block device) into the lvm_volgroup; and it's added as member of the volgroup;
[19:40] <teward> rharper: i think i'm looking for example syntax
[19:40] <teward> rather than a theoretical explanation
[19:40] <teward> because ERR:NoExamplesAvailable
[19:40] <teward> so i'm a little headscratching atm
[19:42] <rharper> if you're defining  type: lvm_partition;  you specify the lvm_volgroup id in which you want to create it; and then *omit* the 'size' key; and curtin will pass '100%' when invoking lvcreate
[19:43] <teward> rharper: what if the storage isn't defined *except* for the default of `storage: layout: name: lvm` like the example in the autoinstall page as a 'structure'/'example'?  https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/install/autoinstall
[19:43] <teward> (and yes I removed the linebreaks, but assume actual yaml)
[19:44] <teward> rharper: trying to grasp this from scratch, without having to go through a complete storage definition through everything - from disk to pv to vg to lv
[19:44] <teward> see if there's any workarounds OTHER than defining the full disk structure the way you're suggesting
[19:47] <rharper> teward: not that I know of; there's an open bug complaining about using 100% LV; https://bugs.launchpad.net/subiquity/+bug/1785321 ;
[19:48] <rharper> teward: so maybe there's a follow-up bug (that says fixed) to allow the same feature in the autoinstall yaml
[19:48] <teward> rharper: then the next question is, can you proivde a Proof of Concept example for how the storage layout would have to be, including on-root boot partition, physical partition that'll be the PV, VG on the PV (100% of the PV), LV on the VG (100% of the VG)?  Because again, headscratching here
[19:49] <teward> due to my unsuredness with this venture
[19:52] <rharper> teward: not for autoinstall, but for curtin, this is very close to what you want, https://git.launchpad.net/curtin/tree/examples/tests/lvmroot.yaml ;   the only change for "LV consuming 100% of the free VG space" is  to remove line 32;
[19:53] <teward> rharper: assuming this is passed in via cloud-init data, does cloud-init pass the storage configuration with curtin options?  Or is this going to require more than simply a base autoinstall yaml?
[19:53] <teward> (again, new to this, I prefer manually deploying things :P)
[19:54] <rharper> so, for autoinstall, subiquity boots, reads cloud-init data, and writes the autoinstall.yaml to a well-known location, then subiquity runs, see the autoinstall yaml and runs it (which calls curtin to install the OS given the config)
[19:55] <teward> ok, so then the storage layout you provided would be passed in the autoinstall.yaml's storage section accordingly, which passes the config to curtin?  Assuming I'm understanding it proper
[19:55] <teward> (sorry again for asking too many questions xD)
[19:57] <rharper> yes, subiquity reads the storage config first, and then adjusts it for disk name matching, https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/install/autoinstall-reference
[19:57] <rharper> so instead of using the storage: layout: ... (high level stuff), you'll use what's called "action-based config";
[20:00] <teward> that makes sense
[20:00] <teward> rharper: thanks for the clarification, hopefully I can wrap my head around this
[20:00] <teward> more questions may follow "soon"ish :p
[20:01] <rharper> =)
[20:06] <Odd_Bloke> falcojr: I'm ready to land https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/581, do you want to author a commit message for it?
[20:08] <falcojr> if only I had had a PR template for that ;)
[20:08] <Odd_Bloke> Sounds like a good idea, someone should write one of those.
[20:14] <rharper> teward: we could continue #curtin ; I suspect the discussion will be more focused on curtin than cloud-init/config
[20:14] <teward> rharper: yep, but that's a task for later.
[20:14] <teward> currently wrapping my head around some landscape on-prem crap
[20:17] <rharper> lol
[20:17] <teward> no seriously.  Landscape on-prem not accepting the license >.<


 @JyotiGomes [You do not have a hot key to change between languages?], i have hot key
 but hot key dont work
 only cyrylic
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://i.imgur.com/CgvSWMq.jpg
 and why?
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://i.imgur.com/3NplFGX.jpg
 Lubuntu 18.10 has at least three language and writing choice programs installed: system, Fcitx and IBus. Maybe there's some conflict between them. I uninstalled Fcitx and IBus and I have the Portuguese, English and Russian keyboards working perfectly ...
[03:06] <vedos> has anyone got Wickr Me to work on Lubuntu 18.10 ?
[03:08] <lynorian> vedos: what is that?
[03:09] <vedos> lynorian: https://me-download.wickr.com/#/version/me
[03:12] <lynorian> vendor only has a 16.04 version
[03:17] <vedos> lynorian: any way to make it work for 18.10 base?
[03:18] <lynorian> vedos probably not
[03:18] <lynorian> if it is propritary don't see source link
 @diogenes_ [<diogenes_> lubot, what do you mean searching through the address bar? also Falk …], Hi, Diogenes! I am curious... You said "Falkon is the best OSS browser that we have so far". Is it better than Firefox? Or did you mean it's the best browser in Qt?
[07:46] <diogenes_> JyotiGomes, first of all Falkon is light years faster than firefox, loads pages more quickly, i even used to have troubles loading some pages on ff, falkon never had any troubles opening those. Also falkon is more lightweight than ff or chrome, falkon community is very responsive to users requests and suggestions. I personally complained about how it used to handle the encrypted passwords and they fixed it and introduced
[07:46] <diogenes_> the feature that i needed. More than that, if we think what a huge well paid army of developers are working on google-chrome for instance, yet one simple guy who started this project has managed to to a better job than all that well paid google army of developers.
 @diogenes_ [<diogenes_> JyotiGomes, first of all Falkon is light years faster than firefox, …], Thanks. I like it also, i will use it! :-)
[08:01] <diogenes_> JyotiGomes, here you have few cool additional themes for falkon: https://github.com/ZTarget/Tek-Phase
 @diogenes_ [<diogenes_> JyotiGomes, here you have few cool additional themes for falkon: htt …], Thanks
[17:15] <xdruppi> does anybody know the name the package that contains the adwaita cursor? I really dislike this KDE one
[17:22] <xdruppi> sorry for the dumb question, i already found it, it's dmz-cursor-theme
[21:55] <lnostdal> what a nice desktop environment ..  first time trying his after using XFCE for many, many years :)
[21:55] <xdruppi> by the way, thanks to the people that maintain Lubuntu, I've tried a lot of distros on VirtualBox, and so far this is the only one that works the best


[00:10] <speckmade> Help help! - My lubuntu(s) here are behaving strangely when I have them installed insige an encrypted LVM.
[00:11] <speckmade> xorg log file says that there are no graphics driver modules available
[00:12] <speckmade> installed without encryption or as a live system it starts the GUI.
[01:18] <calamari> hi.. been noticing a strange bug where if a window that is touching the upper left and I maximize it, it doesn't maximize to fill the screen. However if I try to drag the window (even tho it's maximized), it will suddenly maximize the rest of the way
[01:19] <calamari> (11.10, sorry, I always forget to say that)
[14:17] <xsaidx> hello gyus
[16:46] <teamahma> Hello, terve kaikille
[16:56] <teamahma> Is there a way to get laptops (HP G62) brightness fixed. command "xbacklight -set 100" works. But I have to use it everytimes. So my problem is that the screen goes dark (maybe to 80%). And the strange part is that if the computer is not used for 10 minutes the bright goes to 100%
[16:57] <teamahma> but when I touch to mouse it goes to 80% again :/
[17:11] <philipballew> Hey sp I am going to be giving a desktop with lubuntu on it to a few people and am wondering if you have any good help documentation on the install already or do I need to add that myself?
[17:52] <teamahma> philipballew: Do you know how to get my laptop ( HP G62) brightness to work how it should. Now it screen is dark when I open the laptop and if I wait 10minutes it goes to 100%, but when I move mouse or keyboard, the keyboard goes back to darker. xbacklight command works so I can get brightness to 100% manually.
[17:56] <philipballew> no, I do not have that laptop. but there are sever reasons why it might go and do thst
[17:56] <philipballew> *that
[17:58] <teamahma> what is the manager which handles these?
[17:59] <philipballew> not sure. maybe your power manager or even grub
[18:38] <philipballew> DOes anyone know of any Lubuntu pdf or off line tutorials. like Ubuntu has the  help app. Does Lubuntu have anything?
[19:20] <45PAAFD80> hello
[19:21] <45PAAFD80> should Citrix work on Lubuntu?
[19:22] <holstein> http://support.citrix.com/article/CTX125285
[19:26] <th^2> holstein, yes i have installed it
[19:27] <holstein> th^2: you mean, will it work on lubuntu as opposed to ubuntu?
[19:32] <th^2> holstein, well im running lubuntu so i came here to ask
[19:32] <holstein> th^2: cool... what are you asking?
[19:33] <holstein> if anything runs on ubuntu, it *should* run in lubuntu
[19:34] <th^2> yes i thought that myself
[19:34] <th^2> but cannot get citrix running on this machine
[19:34] <th^2> my ubuntu works just fine
[19:36] <holstein> th^2: theres maybe some little dependancy?
[19:40] <th^2> maybe
[19:47] <th^2> argh
[19:47] <th^2> any help?
[19:48] <th^2> holstein, what kind of a depency?
[19:50] <holstein> th^2: should say in the documentation
[19:50] <holstein> you can link error messages
[19:50] <holstein> its going to be challening since those packages are *not* ubuntu/canonical maintained
[19:51] <th^2> well its not giving me any errors. .deb installed just fine and citrix appeared to menu but it just doesnt launch
[19:52] <holstein> th^2: launch it from the terminal
[19:52] <th^2> hmm there seems to be no path :S
[19:53] <holstein> no path to?
[19:53] <holstein> theres a /dir missing?
[19:53] <holstein> maybe one didnt get auto created
[19:53] <holstein> you should be albe to mk it
[19:53] <th^2> cannot apropos it
[19:53] <th^2> yes but i cannot find absolute path
[19:54] <holstein> well, you dont need to
[19:54] <th^2> okay
[19:54] <th^2> sh /opt/Citrix/ICAClient/wfica.sh
[19:54] <th^2> Error: 4 (E_MISSING_ARG)
[19:54] <th^2> Please refer to the documentation.
[19:55] <holstein> yup... thats what i think... you'll need to check the documentation
[19:55] <holstein> th^2: is this lubuntu 11.10? was it ubuntu 11.10?
[19:56] <holstein> sometimes those companies are expecting the LTS
[19:56] <th^2> Lubuntu 11.10 yes
[19:56] <th^2> argh :D
[22:06] <genoobie> he
[22:14] <genoobie> hey all
[22:14] <wxl> sup
[22:14] <genoobie> I installed lubuntu 3 wks ago and i loved it
[22:14] <genoobie> today the wireless just "crapped out"
[22:15] <genoobie> not sure how I could diag it
[22:15] <wxl> never had any experience with that before
[22:15] <wxl> laptop or desktop?
[22:15] <genoobie> yeah, is there any "reinstall driver" type approach
[22:15] <genoobie> laptop
[22:15] <genoobie> I am a complete linux newb
[22:15] <genoobie> if this happened on a windows machine I would reinstall the driver
[22:16] <wxl> so why don't you take it to a coffee shop (or go warwalking through the neighborhood) and see if you have a problem connecting with any other access points
[22:16] <wxl> if it does work, then it's a problem either with yoru access point or your isp
[22:16] <genoobie> well I have another windows laptop next to it and I can connect to the net
[22:16] <wxl> if it doesn't work, then we can investigate further
[22:16] <genoobie> so the access point is functional
[22:16] <wxl> k well there ya go
[22:16] <wxl> that works too
[22:17] <wxl> is your wireless enabled?
[22:17] <genoobie> well the "blue light" that is the wireless switch is on
[22:17] <wxl> right click on the network manager icon and click on enable wireless
[22:17] <genoobie> greyed out
[22:17] <wxl> oh noes
[22:17] <genoobie> only VPN connections is an option
[22:18] <wxl> so could you tell me what version of network-manager you have?
[22:19] <genoobie> hm, not sure how to tell..
[22:19] <wxl> i have <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu5.1
[22:19] <wxl> you could search for it in synaptic
[22:20] <genoobie> any way to cmd line that?
[22:20] <wxl> or open a terminal and use "sudo apt-cache policy network-manager | grep -i installed"
[22:20] <genoobie> mine is the same as yours
[22:21] <genoobie> 5 instead of 5.1
[22:21] <wxl> hmmmm
[22:21] <genoobie> but its not checked
[22:21] <wxl> have you changed any settings on the access point?
[22:21] <genoobie> does that mean it is not installed?
[22:21] <genoobie>  no
[22:21] <wxl> what do you mean it's not checked? in synaptic
[22:21] <wxl> ?
[22:21] <genoobie> yes
[22:21] <wxl> hah that's strange
[22:21] <wxl> that generally means it's not installed
[22:22] <wxl> run that command line and see what you get
[22:22] <genoobie> okay
[22:22] <genoobie> says installed <IP_ADDRESS>-ubuntu5
[22:23] <wxl> k well u got it
[22:23] <wxl> hold a sec
[22:23] <genoobie> yeah, it was working okay until today, i mean it was even working this morning
[22:23] <wxl> bizarro
[22:24] <genoobie> anything to "reinstall" that could fix the problem?
[22:25] <genoobie> if I were to go to a local store and buy one, any pref on which mini-pci works best with linux?
[22:26] <genoobie> would I just swap and reboot?
[22:26] <genoobie> or would there have to be other configurations
[22:26] <wxl> yeah that's a good point come to think of it
[22:26] <wxl> problem may not be lubuntu
[22:26] <wxl> problem may be your hardware
[22:26] <wxl> why don't you download the live iso and run it on the windows machine and see if it still works ok
[22:27] <genoobie> do you have a link to the live iso?
[22:27] <genoobie> not a torrent
[22:27] <wxl> you are on oneiric right?
[22:28] <wxl> x86 or 64?
[22:28] <genoobie> wxl how could I check
[22:28] <wxl> lsb_release -a
[22:28] <genoobie> i686
[22:29] <genoobie> oneiric 11.10
[22:29] <wxl> http://releases.ubuntu.com/11.10/ubuntu-11.10-desktop-i386.iso
[22:30] <wxl> hm
[22:30] <genoobie> okay, so if I download that and it works...what then
[22:30] <wxl> another thought to check and see if your basic hardware is working is to use the command line
[22:30] <genoobie> wxl
[22:30] <genoobie> okay I'm all ears
[22:30] <wxl> i'd say reboot to recovery mode (hold shift while it boots to get to the menu)
[22:30] <wxl> mount the file systems
[22:30] <genoobie> okay hold a sec
[22:30] <genoobie> uh oh
[22:30] <genoobie> hold a sec
[22:31] <wxl> then go to networking shell
[22:31] <wxl> ifconfig wlan0
[22:31] <genoobie> well there is a "recovery mode"
[22:31] <wxl> dhclient wlan0
[22:31] <wxl> ping google.com
[22:31] <genoobie> in grub
[22:31] <wxl> should work :D
[22:31] <wxl> yep go for it
[22:31] <genoobie> okay hold a sec
[22:32] <genoobie> my windows partition is borked
[22:32] <genoobie> that sucks
[22:32] <wxl> ruh roh
[22:32] <wxl> well anyways that will give you some homework for a while ;)
[22:32] <genoobie> okay I have resume normal boot
[22:32] <genoobie> fsck for check file systems
[22:32] <wxl> don't do it
[22:33] <wxl> next should be mount file systems
[22:33] <wxl> go ahead and do that
[22:33] <genoobie> remount / read/write and mount
[22:33] <wxl> not sure why you can't just get to the networking shell first but whatever
[22:33] <wxl> do the remount
[22:33] <genoobie> clean, dpkg, grub, netroot
[22:33] <genoobie> root
[22:33] <genoobie> clean = free space, dpkg repair broken pkgs
[22:33] <wxl> then the net shell
[22:34] <genoobie> root then net shell?
[22:34] <genoobie> or netroot
[22:34] <wxl> there should be two options
[22:34] <wxl> one for a root shell, one for a root shell with networking
[22:34] <wxl> you want the latter
[22:34] <genoobie> ok
[22:34] <genoobie> done
[22:34] <genoobie> now?
[22:34] <wxl> ifconfig wlan0
[22:34] <wxl> ooops
[22:34] <wxl> ifconfig wlan0 up
[22:35] <genoobie> error while getting interface flags, no such device
[22:35] <genoobie> urgh
[22:35] <genoobie> so it's kicked
[22:35] <wxl> maybe it's wlan1
[22:35] <genoobie> same err
[22:35] <wxl> hold
[22:35] <genoobie> oaky
[22:36] <wxl> try iwconfig
[22:36] <wxl> then iwlist scan
[22:36] <genoobie> lo no wireless
[22:36] <genoobie> eth0 no wireless
[22:37] <wxl> curious
[22:38] <wxl> oh right
[22:38] <wxl> you might have restricted drivers which may not get loaded
[22:39] <genoobie> I would get
[22:39] <genoobie> I mean I would guess that is likely the case
[22:39] <genoobie> I think it was an "atheros" wireless card
[22:39] <genoobie> or some stupid crap like that
[22:40] <genoobie> so what's next?
[22:40] <genoobie> if I have to load a restricted driver taht is
[22:41] <wxl> try lspci -vvnn | grep -i wireless
[22:43] <genoobie_> wxl
[22:43] <wxl> ?
[22:43] <genoobie_> you still here?
[22:43] <genoobie_> ethernet controller 0200 atheros communications inc ar242x / ar542x Wireless network adater (PCI-Express) [168:001c] (rev 01)
[22:43] <wxl> i don't ever leave :D
[22:43] <wxl> k
[22:44] <genoobie_> heh.
[22:45] <genoobie_> so it looks like it "sees" something...
[22:45] <wxl> yep
[22:45] <wxl> good 1st step
[22:46] <wxl> try modprobe ath5k
[22:46] <wxl> THEN iwconfig
[22:47] <genoobie_> okay that seems to bring it up
[22:47] <wxl> haha
[22:47] <wxl> yes
[22:47] <wxl> not sure if you have to set up a dhclient
[22:47] <wxl> can you ping google or something?
[22:47] <genoobie_> so now how do I "fix" that in the "normal" boot
[22:47] <genoobie_> well I probably have to "scan" then "connect" somehow
[22:47] <wxl> yeah right
[22:47] <wxl> iwlist scan
[22:48] <genoobie_> wlan0 interface doesn't support scanning: network is down
[22:48] <genoobie_> so iwconfig wlan0 up?
[22:48] <wxl> try ifconfig wlan0 up
[22:48] <genoobie_> wlan0 link is not ready
[22:49] <wxl> hm
[22:49] <genoobie_> oops tried again, operation not possible due to RF-kill
[22:51] <wxl> might need sudo
[22:51] <wxl> but should be something like:
[22:51] <wxl> iwconfig wlan0 mode managed key [wep key]
[22:52] <genoobie_> urgh now did ifconfig wlan0 down
[22:52] <wxl> iwconfig wlan0 essid "[essid]"
[22:52] <wxl> dhclient wlan0
[22:52] <wxl> sorry if i'm stumbling around; i've more experience with ethernet in the command line than wireless
[22:52] <genoobie_> if it is wpa2?
[22:53] <wxl> ahh
[22:53] <wxl> you need wpa-supplicant
[22:53] <genoobie_> urgh...
[22:53] <genoobie_> :)
[22:53] <wxl> might as well skip this method
[22:53] <genoobie_> wxl thanks btw for all this help
[22:53] <wxl> cuz that isn't going to come installed i don't think
[22:53] <wxl> so yeah, go try that iso on the other machine
[22:53] <genoobie_> wpa_supplicant is installed
[22:53] <wxl> here's info on wireless cards on the buntus https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessCardsSupported
[22:55] <wxl> i have like 0 experience with wpa_supplicant
[22:55] <genoobie_> wxl here's a questino
[22:55] <genoobie_> if wlan0 comes up in the list
[22:55] <genoobie_> after modprobe ath5k + iwconfig
[22:55] <genoobie_> does that mean the wireless card is working?
[22:55] <wxl> perhaps
[22:56] <wxl> doesn't mean EVERYTHING's working
[22:56] <genoobie_> if I pop another wireless card in there then will lspci pick it up?
[22:57] <wxl> yep
[22:57] <wxl> or lsusb if it's usb and not pci
[22:58] <genoobie_> okay let me call my local shop and see if they have any used bg mini pci's in stock
[22:59] <wxl> i'd go checking that other laptop before you go there
[22:59] <wxl> but that's just me
[22:59] <wxl> i could see two things you could do:
[22:59] <genoobie_> why check the other laptop?
[22:59] <wxl> 1. test some other OS on the lubuntu machine (might not be easy)
[22:59] <wxl> 2. test lubuntu on the other laptop
[23:00] <wxl> if #2 works, then you know that the problem is not lubuntu.. it must be your hardware
[23:00] <wxl> if #2 does not work, then it is likely that the problem is lubuntu
[23:00] <wxl> if #1 works, then it must be lubuntu
[23:00] <wxl> if #1 does not work then it must be the hardware
[23:00] <wxl> two ways at getting at the same thing
[23:02] <genoobie_> if the problem was lubuntu, why would it suddenly "crash".
[23:02] <wxl> that's a darn good question
[23:02] <wxl> i wouldn't expect such behavior unless something was changed
[23:02] <wxl> either with the drivers, the networking software, or the properties of the access point
[23:03] <wxl> needless to say i'm a bit skeptical of it being the software
[23:03] <genoobie_> so if nothing changed with those features then doesn't that kind of point to the mini wireless?
[23:03] <wxl> even on windows drivers just don't magically get corrupted
[23:03] <wxl> sure does, i'd just want to confirm things, that's all
[23:03] <wxl> again, my own personal opinion
[23:08] <genoobie_> ok. well mini pci's are cheap.
[23:08] <genoobie_> just stick to that list?
[23:09] <genoobie_> wxl not too much support for mini pci though.
[23:11] <genoobie_> ugh how do I reboot out of command line
[23:12] <genoobie_> nm, I think I figured it out


[06:01] <ricotz> chrisccoulson, hi, you can find a tarball for thunderbird 52.9.0 here https://launchpad.net/%7Emozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+packages
[07:28] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:34] <jibel> hi seb128
[07:40] <seb128> lut jibel
[07:42] <seb128> jibel, thanks for the testing on bug #1778817
[07:53] <duflu> Morning seb128, jibel. Anyone feel the need for a BT meeting?
[07:56] <seb128> duflu, hey, I don't, I'm currently looking at your bionic SRU but that's the only bluetooth thing I've been dealing with recently. do you?
[07:56] <duflu> seb128, no, nothing. I guess you could count the PulseAudio12 update too
[07:56] <duflu> Almost nothing
[07:56] <seb128> I need to look at that MIR
[07:56] <seb128> it's on my todo as well :)
[07:57] <duflu> I could drop the prereq but it's been requested since last year
[07:57] <seb128> let's skip the bluetooth hangout then, willcooke is having computer issues apparently so he's not around
[07:57] <seb128> seems like we don't like full disks
[07:59] <seb128> duflu, the update can stay in proposed for a bit while the MIR is sorted out, let's try to move forward and get the issue resolved rather than workaround around
[07:59] <jibel> Hi duflu , I've nothing for the meeting.
[07:59] <jibel> seb128, I'm trying to reproduce the 1st part of the bug now.
[08:00] <seb128> k
[08:02] <duflu> Hmm, mutter's timing is still terrible. Even complex animations render in under 3ms and I can't get it to run faster than 43 FPS
[08:02] <Laney> moin
[08:02] <duflu> Morning Laney
[08:03] <willcooke> BOOOOOOOOOOOM
[08:03] <willcooke> Fixed
[08:03] <duflu> Morning willcooke
[08:03] <willcooke> afternoon duflu
[08:03] <seb128> hey Laney willcooke
[08:04] <willcooke> We need to look in to how we can make things less bad when you run out of disk space
[08:04] <seb128> willcooke, rm ~/Videos/somepornmovies? ;)
[08:04] <willcooke> I won't delete my porn for anyone
[08:04] <willcooke> So, fun story
[08:04] <willcooke> I had a Raspberry Pi which was running some house services stop working yesterday
[08:05] <willcooke> Couldnt get the thing to boot at all, so I took the SD card out and tried to mount it here
[08:05] <willcooke> The thing was screwed
[08:05] <willcooke> I used disktest to recover some files which was very slow, so after the football finished I just left it running over night
[08:05] <willcooke> This was an 8GB SD Card
[08:06] <willcooke> testdisk must have got in to some strange loop
[08:06] <willcooke> the recovered folder (after I delete a 14GB postfix spool file) is......
[08:06] <willcooke> (still counting)
[08:06] <alexarnaud> Morning willcooke seb128 andyrock jbicha Trevinho duflu and all
[08:07] <willcooke> ((I think there must be some horrible recursive directory in itself thing going on)
[08:07] <willcooke> )
[08:07] <willcooke> 26 GB
[08:07] <willcooke> so 40GB of files on an 8GB SD card
[08:07] <willcooke> ?!
[08:07] <willcooke> anyway, left it running over night, came down this morning, couldn't unlock my machine
[08:07] <willcooke> couldnt switch to a different vt
[08:08] <duflu> A couple of users report their disks get filled with gigabytes of gnome-shell logging. I can't reproduce it myself
[08:08] <willcooke> could get it to boot in to single user mode
[08:08] <willcooke> and it wouldn't boot normally, lots of errors about things not starting
[08:08] <willcooke> as you might expect
[08:08] <willcooke> so I had to boot of a USB stick in to live mode and delete a few files,
[08:09] <willcooke> then everything came back to life
[08:09] <willcooke> It's totally my fault that the disk filled up
[08:09] <willcooke> but I think we need to try and make it more tolerant to such situations
[08:09] <willcooke> for the list next cycle.
[08:09] <willcooke> THE END
[08:10] <willcooke> didrocks, you missed my exciting story
[08:10] <jibel> is anyone else seeing a snapd timeout on boot of bionic ?
[08:10] <didrocks> willcooke: the one you started on telegram about full disk?
[08:10] <jibel> didrocks, hi, I'm reviewing the sru of ubuntu-report. Where is the report stored again?
[08:10] <willcooke> jibel, yes, but I put that down to disk being full.  Seems ok now
[08:10] <willcooke> didrocks, yeah
[08:11] <seb128> I didn't for snapd
[08:11] <jibel> willcooke, I'm seeing it on a fresh installation
[08:11] <willcooke> jibel, yeah seems to be working ok now
[08:11] <seb128> lut didrocks
[08:11] <willcooke> jibel, I'll fire up a VM
[08:11] <willcooke> jibel, in fact, I will install my other laptop with the iso I just downloaded
[08:11] <seb128> willcooke, disk full handling was something we worked on the past, but another of those topics were we don't have regular testing and that we regressed of the cycles
[08:12] <duflu> willcooke, don't need to fix everything, but making the machine boot and the GUI not freeze would itself be a significant challenge. People write new code that isn't tolerant of it all the time. Even writing a log message to the disk could hang everything if done wrong
[08:13] <willcooke> duflu, yeah I expect fixing everything would be impossible, but we should be able to make it better.  Not being able to get to a shell if your disk is full SUCKS
[08:14] <duflu> Yeah, people report all sorts of failures (in bug reports) when it happens to them
[08:14] <willcooke> I'm sure we used to do something which would stop you being able to fill your disk more than 95%
[08:16] <didrocks> salut seb128
[08:19] <Laney> willcooke: you're probably thinking of the ext4 reserved block count
[08:19] <Laney> root can write to that though
[08:19] <Laney> moin didrocks
[08:21] <didrocks> hey Laney
[08:21] <jibel> willcooke, by default there is 5% of  the blocks reserved for privileged processes
[08:22] <jibel> tune2fs -l <dev> will tell you how much on your system
[08:24] <seb128> willcooke, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BootLoginWithFullFilesystem
[08:24] <seb128> is what we did in the past
[08:25] <seb128> so I think it's one of those polish feature that would be nice to work on
[08:25] <seb128> we need to debug what components are having issues
[08:26] <Laney> yeh, that would be a nice task to do
[08:26] <willcooke> ah yeah, this process had to run as root
[08:26] <willcooke> I've added it to the list for next cycle anyway
[08:26] <seb128> good
[08:27] <seb128> like that spec ^ mentions
[08:27] <seb128> At boot time, check whether /tmp has at least 1Mby free. (This should be done after filesystems are mounted and after /tmp has been cleaned.)
[08:27] <seb128> If not, mount a 1Mby tmpfs over /tmp.
[08:27] <seb128> I bet we lost some of those things over time
[08:27] <willcooke> jibel, just booted a newly installed machine, snapd seems to be running ok
[08:27] <seb128> changing to systemd etc
[08:27] <Laney> that's going to touch foundations areas too
[08:27] <seb128> likely
[08:28] <Laney> which is a gentle way of me suggesting it for brussels :-)
[08:28] <seb128> willcooke, the fact that you said you couldn't get to grub sounds weird though
[08:28] <seb128> Laney, yeah, that's probably the right venue to discuss topics for next cycle
[08:28] <willcooke> I looked at the Brussels spreadsheet yesterday to see if I could add sessions, but not yet it seems.  Laney, if I forget can you try and remember?
[08:29] <seb128> willcook_e said he's putting it on the list
[08:29] <willcooke> I put it on the product roadmap list
[08:29] <seb128> willcooke, just put a google calendar reminder?
[08:29] <seb128> like for before Brussel with "add fulldisk boot to the agenda"
[08:29] <seb128> computers are good at those reminders :p
[08:30] <jibel> willcooke, and it booted reasonably fast?
[08:30] <willcooke> seb128, done
[08:30] <willcooke> jibel, yeah, seems fine
[08:31] <willcooke> jibel, I'll upgrade everything and try again
[08:31] <seb128> willcooke, :)
[08:32] <willcooke> didrocks, jibel - can you take a look at this post and see if we can help lubuntu & kubuntu with using ubuntu-report? https://community.ubuntu.com/t/extending-ubuntu-report/6851
[08:32] <willcooke> seb128, fyi ^
[08:32] <jibel> willcooke, which image did you use?
[08:33] <jibel> daily or release?
[08:33] <willcooke> jibel, release
[08:33]  * willcooke downloads daily
[08:33] <jibel> willcooke, I had this issue with the daily image
[08:33] <didrocks> willcooke: I'm in the board meeting, is it something to be done today?
[08:33] <seb128> willcooke, I saw that discussion yesterday evening, thanks for the ping though :)
[08:34] <willcooke> jibel, will try again.  Yesterday Mark Murphy pinged to stay he couldnt get networking in a vm on the daily image too, but said he would try some stuff and report back, but didnt
[08:34] <willcooke> didrocks, whenever you get time
[08:34] <willcooke> I dont think there is an immediate rush
[08:35] <didrocks> sure
[08:35] <willcooke> jibel, this one?  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xenial/daily-live/current/xenial-desktop-amd64.iso
[08:35] <willcooke> didrocks, merci
[08:35] <duflu> jibel, are the daily images installing yet? Last I tested 20180627 which was "current" it would crash on both systems I tried
[08:36] <duflu> (a long way into installation)
[08:36] <seb128> duflu, bionic or cosmic?
[08:36] <duflu> seb128, cosmic daily
[08:36] <seb128> duflu, they are talking about bionic there
[08:36] <duflu> ok
[08:36] <jibel> duflu, yes
[08:36] <seb128> but cosmic should work
[08:37] <seb128> do you have a report of the problem you hit?
[08:37] <duflu> seb128, no, it was late at night and I had too many things to deal with
[08:37] <jibel> seb128, it was a problem with missing efi files
[08:37] <seb128> k, no worry
[08:37] <seb128> seems like it's known anyway from what jibel just said
[08:37] <jibel> then grub failing to remove some files
[08:37] <duflu> That was a different bug with efi. I'm talking about a new issue after the fix
[08:38] <seb128> jibel, "was" so it's fixed now?
[08:38] <seb128> ah
[08:38] <duflu> Nevermind. When I get time I'll try fresher images
[08:39] <jibel> duflu, there was a dependency issue with grub that the installation fail. It's fixed now but if there is anything else please file a report and i'll have a look
 willcooke, the fact that you said you couldn't get to grub sounds weird though
[08:50] <willcooke> I think that is probably because my laptop starting thinking the shift key was stuck and ignored it
[08:50] <willcooke> but I couldnt fix it by powering off and back on
[08:50] <willcooke> I'd still say it's a laptop issue rather than a software issue.    I downloaded the xenial image.
[08:59] <ricotz> is there a need for a prepared libreoffice 6.0.5 package?
[08:59] <ricotz> see https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+packages
[09:04] <seb128> ricotz, right, our maintainer is on paternity leave and we don't have enough resources to have backup maintainers :/ I guess any help on getting the updates ready will make the work easier once he's back
[09:05] <ricotz> seb128, so you want to wait for him to come back before pushing an update?
[09:06] <seb128> "want" is a bit strong
[09:06] <ricotz> I have pushed the relevant changes to the packaging branches so it is there to be picked up
[09:06] <seb128> I don't think we have a choice
[09:06] <ricotz> ok
[09:07] <seb128> ricotz, I just looked at our calendar, Olivier is supposed to be back tomorrow
[09:07] <ricotz> (libreoffice 6.1 rc will be available this week which is the target series for cosmic)
[09:07] <seb128> so not long to wait
[09:07] <ricotz> ah good then
[09:08] <seb128> then I guess he's going to have some backlog so unsure what his priorities are, but I guess getting libreoffice updated is going to be on his list
[09:08] <ricotz> alrighty
[09:46] <willcooke> woo.  Hard lock up
[09:46] <willcooke> (while still scanning that SD card)
[10:04] <willcooke> jamesh, ace job on the snap themes howto
[10:04] <jamesh> willcooke: hopefully we can cut down on the boilerplate once templates are a thing
[10:07] <jamesh> willcooke: is the screenshot I added to the blog draft okay?  It's hard to do something that doesn't just look like a file chooser
[10:08] <willcooke> jamesh, where am I looking?
[10:08] <jamesh> willcooke: the "Support for XDG Desktop Portals" section
[10:09] <jamesh> the 18.04.1 blog draft
[10:12] <willcooke> ah, got ya. yeah, that'll do nicely, thanks
[10:42] <willcooke> oh, jibel I forgot - installed daily and it seems fine.  What should I be looking for?
[10:53] <jibel> willcooke, is there any timeout for snapd in the journal?
[11:04] <jibel> willcooke, is it with bionic daily?
[11:04] <jibel> willcooke, this is the image I tried http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/bionic/daily-live/pending/
[11:04] <willcooke> jibel, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/bionic/daily-live/current/bionic-desktop-amd64.iso
[11:05] <willcooke> will retry with pending
[11:06] <jibel> willcooke, it shouldn't make any difference.
[11:06] <jibel> willcooke, I'll have a look on my system
[11:06] <willcooke> I see snapd starting
[11:07] <willcooke> no obvious problems
[11:07] <willcooke> jibel, you want this log somewhere?
[11:10] <jibel> willcooke, yes please to compare with my boot. journalctl -b -o short-monotonic in a pastebin will be fine
[11:11] <willcooke> jibel, https://pastebin.com/eK0bDcsR
[11:15] <jibel> willcooke, thanks
[11:16] <jibel> seb128, no way to reproduce the screen lock during upgrade issue with 16.04 to 18.04. I tried with the garphical and text upgrader with a user or root and the screen lock is always inhibited. I'm wondering if I experienced it with 17.10 instead. I'll try that to confirm
[11:32] <Laney> nothing like a good tidy up rebase session
[11:32] <Laney> rearranged the stuff so there's all mergable things and then one small switchover commit
[11:32]  * Laney proposed
[11:32] <Laney> s
[11:39] <seb128> jibel, thanks for testing
[13:59] <seb128> do we have people around who are still on bionic and have livepatch enabled? do you see sometime notifications about livepatch updates?
[14:09] <willcooke> o/
[14:09] <willcooke> and no
[14:09] <Laney> I just enabled it
[14:09] <Laney> and it did Jul 04 15:09:00 nightingale canonical-livepatch[12007]: Applied patch version 40.7 to 4.15.0-23.25-generic
[14:09] <Laney> but I didn't get a notification, should I have?
[14:10] <Laney> oops I forgot to eat lunch, back soon
[14:23] <seb128> andyrock, ^
[14:23] <seb128> bug #1780093
[14:45] <seb128> Laney, oh, and thanks for testing and enjoy your lunch :)
[14:54] <Laney> was a good lunch
[15:08] <Laney> oh MY
[15:08] <Laney> I just learned about edit-and-execute-command
[15:08] <Laney> type a command and then hit ctrl-x ctrl-e in bash
[15:09] <Laney> probably one of those things that everyone knows about apart from me :-)
[15:10] <Laney> that and 'fc'
[15:28] <willcooke> oooooh
[15:28] <willcooke> nice
[15:59] <willcooke> Laney, your snapd blocking issue could be related to waiting for entropy
[15:59] <willcooke> m_vo is on the case, natch
[16:00] <Laney> o rly
[16:21] <Laney> seb128: did you want to try merging the latest gvfs upload(s) into git?
[16:21] <Laney> only noticed because it broke my hint :-)
[16:22] <Laney> been trying to push things through proposed on the side today
[16:48] <Laney> k, everything systemd --user is merge proposed now
[16:48] <Laney> early start for the train tomorrow, so o/
[16:48] <Laney> will try to be online from it
[16:48] <seb128> Laney, yeah, I noticed after doing the changes, but I wanted to get that SRU out today
[16:48] <seb128> I plan to read the git documentation from Didier while travelling tomorrow
[16:49] <seb128> then I can have a look to put that new knowledge in use
[16:49] <seb128> but feel free to merge that one for me if you need to pile up other changes, I'm sure I can find another one to do :)
[16:49] <seb128> Laney, well done, enjoy your evening and safe travel tomorrow
[16:50]  * seb128 has a plane at 7:45, going to be an early start so I'm going to wrap now as well
[17:31] <willcooke> night all, safe travels tomorrow


[00:59] <zipc> running apt-get update gives me error. how do i fix this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/7610696/
[01:23] <deathkane> zipc it is a PGP error
[01:24] <zipc> hows that different to gpg error?
[01:24] <deathkane> zipc try "sudo apt-get clean" to fix it
[01:25] <deathkane> oh sorry i mean gpg
[01:25] <zipc> no results from apt-get clean
[01:26] <zipc> i'm trying to understand every command, sorry
[01:26] <deathkane> is this the first time you encounter that problem?
[01:27] <zipc> yes. does this help http://www.maketecheasier.com/solve-badsig-error-in-ubuntu/  ?
[01:27] <zipc> a lot of answers i got from askubuntu
[01:28] <deathkane> yes that can help try those command
[01:28] <deathkane> don't skip anything
[01:28] <deathkane> especially this one sudo mv lists lists.old
[01:30] <zipc> what causes this?
[01:30] <zipc> back then i just use the update manager
[01:31] <deathkane> interrupted updates
[01:31] <deathkane> happens when you lost connection
[01:32] <zipc> ahhh i see
[01:33] <zipc> its working. right after this is $ sudo apt-get upgrade right?
[01:34] <deathkane> yes upgrade
[01:35] <zipc> thanks deathkane
[01:35] <deathkane> you're welcome mate :)