[00:20] <alexisb> I am out for the day all
[00:20] <alexisb> email if you need something
[00:38]  * babbageclunk goes for a run
[03:09] <natefinch> Easy review anyone?  +1 -3  https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6581
[03:14] <babbageclunk> natefinch: +1 -3, my kind of review!
[03:17] <babbageclunk> natefinch: lgtm
[03:18] <wallyworld> axw: for when you're free https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6582
[03:24] <natefinch> babbageclunk: :D
[03:25] <natefinch> babbageclunk: I've fixed two bugs in the last couple days, total line changed count is under 20 :)
[04:00] <babbageclunk> natefinch: nice - better than redir's 60,000 line PR today
[04:00] <babbageclunk> natefinch: I wanna see negative line counts! you can only add a line if you're removing two.
[04:15] <natefinch> anyone seen this? 03:33:59 ERROR cmd supercommand.go:458 failed to bootstrap model: subprocess encountered error code 255
[04:44] <redir> babbageclunk: yeah I didn't realize the sstreams file was that big until I did the PR. It is <1K in reality
[04:44] <redir> and it isn't a bugfix
[04:45] <babbageclunk> redir: :) I'm just joshing you!
[04:45] <babbageclunk> I just felt bad for the OCR
[05:47] <axw> wallyworld: bleh, apparently it's not as simple as filtering out flavors with Disk=0. on canonistack, m1.tiny has Disk=0 but it let me start one without specifying a cinder volume for the boot disk... :|
[05:47] <wallyworld> damn
[05:47] <axw> could do it just for rackspace, but seems iffy
[05:48] <wallyworld> openstack is awesome
[10:24] <voidspace> fsck
[10:24] <voidspace> my local maas2 is screwed
[10:24] <voidspace> again
[10:24] <voidspace> but this time my fault
[10:24] <voidspace> reinstall from scratch
[10:24] <voidspace> lucky I wanted to try maas 1.9 *anyway*
[15:39] <perrito666> bbl lunch
[16:47] <voidspace> well, I'm back to a working maas 2 setup here and it's maas 2.1, so at least the day isn't a total bust
[16:57] <mgz> rick_h: have proposed and QA'd pull/6584 - can we bug someone to review?
[16:58] <rick_h> natefinch: can you help mgz please?
[17:37] <natefinch> rick_h: yep, sorry, had stepped out for lunch.  I've got a question about leadership and the websocket API: namely, is there a way to quickly check whether a unit is a leader? I know that the uniter facade has a method for watching leadership settings, but that's not actually exposed over the api, correct?
[19:40] <natefinch> I think we show that in status in 2.x
[19:43] <petevg> natefinch: Yeah. Calling status and parsing it for the star was going to be my fallback. I was just wondering if there was a construct in the API that I could call more neatly (also, without waiting for juju status to get back to me).
[19:44] <petevg> (Though I guess if juju status is lagging, any other given call won't necessarily be faster.)
[19:48] <petevg> natefinch: regardless, thank you for the quick answer. :-)


[11:03] <manadart> stickupkid, achilleasa_: Small one - https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/12661
[11:05] <manadart> stickupkid, achilleasa_: Also, need help with a design choice. We currently sort addresses with scope as the first priority, then IPv4 over v6 with host-names after that.
[11:06] <stickupkid> that makes sense... what's the issue going forward?
[11:06] <manadart> Should secondary IP addresses come before or after host-names. I think after.
[11:28] <stickupkid> is there a way to categorise this, or is it just a slice
[11:28] <stickupkid> seems like we lose information during this process
[11:29] <manadart> Slice. See https://github.com/juju/juju/blob/develop/core/network/address.go#L215
[11:30] <stickupkid> booo
[11:31] <stickupkid> wait, why is the sort order on the MachineAddress
[11:31] <stickupkid> ?
[11:31] <stickupkid> that's an implementation detail of the consumer, not the provider
[11:32] <stickupkid> here you could have sortOrder take a machine address https://github.com/juju/juju/blob/develop/core/network/address.go#L798-L799
[11:32] <stickupkid> machine address should be a struct of data, not dictate how you represent it
[11:33] <stickupkid> anyway
[11:33] <stickupkid> secondary addresses if put at the end of the slice wouldn't in theory change the ordering of existing expectations?
[12:49] <soutr> Hey team, I am trying to add a new unit to a model which is assosciated with OpenStack cluster. But everytime I try to add the unit it throws error
[12:49] <soutr> cannot record provisioning info for "juju-55f8ad-9-lxd
[12:49] <soutr> -42": cannot set link-layer device addresses of machine "9/lxd/42": invalid address "<IP_ADDRESS>/24": DeviceName
[12:49] <soutr>  "eth0" on machine "9/lxd/42" not found
[12:51] <soutr> <IP_ADDRESS>/24 is the default subnet used (but its not associated with any space) and hence the space is 'undefined'
[12:52] <soutr> Can any one please help here
[16:42] <stickupkid> achilleasa_, https://github.com/juju/bundlechanges/pull/91
[17:47] <stickupkid> achilleasa_, this handles talking to older controllers https://github.com/juju/bundlechanges/pull/92


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[05:21] <wxl> uh
[05:21] <wxl> testbed out of date? @tsimonq2<EMAIL_ADDRESS> @wxl, Poke your favorite release team member in #ubuntu-release, it's not the package, it's the thing
 In the meantime if you can give me a URL to retry that would work too, maybe...
 (retry could make it try on a different builder)
 Also a nice exercise in finding the right URL to link me ;)
[05:27] <wxl> @tsimonq2: i seriously need some help with this. there are problems all over the place
 @wxl, Feed me examples
[05:28] <wxl> there's like 20 affected packages all with multiple archs
[05:28] <wxl> you'd be better off just helping me dig through excuses
 @wxl, What's wrong with them? Outdated testbed?
[05:29] <wxl> all over the place
[05:29] <wxl> check this out<EMAIL_ADDRESS> Welp, that's just the fun that is dealing with autopkgtests :)
 But wxl if you do nothing else tonight, give me links to retry the outdated testbed ones and ping in #ubuntu-release
[05:32] <wxl> yeah well there's no documentation on that as far as i know
 wxl: Bonus points if you can give me a link that makes it seem like I'm sponsoring the retry for you. ;)
 What do you mean? There's plenty of documentation...
 wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration
 @wxl, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration/AutopkgtestInfrastructure#Test_request_format
[05:33] <wxl> yeah, i'm sorry. not really helping me answer the questions i have
[05:33] <wxl> you'll have to work harder if you want me to get this
 Fwd from tsimonq2: But wxl if you do nothing else tonight, give me links to retry the outdated testbed ones and ping in #ubuntu-release
 This.
 We're just dealing with that right now.
 Go to excuses.
 There's a recycle unicode thing
 That's the retry link
 Give me that link
 Got it?
[05:36] <wxl> https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=bionic&arch=ppc64el&package=baloo-widgets5&trigger=baloo-kf5%2F5.41.0-0ubuntu1
 Specifically for
 Fwd from wxl: <wxl> testbed out of date? @tsimonq2<EMAIL_ADDRESS> There we go wxl
 K any other ones before I go to bed wxl?
[05:40] <wxl> tons
[05:40] <wxl> potentially
[05:41] <wxl> the only way i'll now is by going through each and every one of them
[05:41] <wxl> unless you know something i don't
 Nope
 That's what it comes down to wxl
 Unless @acheronuk has suggestions
[05:48] <wxl> that's ridiculous
 This is one of those things that I talked about at BBB. I can sit here and hammer these tests, but only I can because I have the archive access. You can't. It's frustrating.
[05:50] <wxl> baloo-kf5 appears to ALWAYS fail on armhf/i386
[05:50] <wxl> http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/baloo-kf5
 Ignore the ones marked as Always failed.
[05:52] <wxl> i don't even know how to interpret all these failures for plasma-framework http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/plasma-framework/bionic/arm64 http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/plasma-framework/bionic/s390x
 Just retried a handful of them
 @wxl, @acheronuk or Santa might be able to help but otherwise it's just a matter of retrying and seeing which ones are legit failures and which ones just need retries.
 One other thing to look into wxl is that Santa hasn't finished the dep bump tooling yet for autopkgtests so there might be some failures caused simply by testing against old build deps
 It happens
[05:58] <wxl> @tsimonq2: so you're telling me i should just hit retry on all of them?
 Just get me or Rik a pastebin with retry links (add &requester=wxl as an arg) and if you give us reasonable assurance that they aren't for nothing, we'll be happy to press buttons.
 @wxl, You *can't* because you don't have upload access to the package
[05:58] <wxl> i'm not sure how to define "nothing"
 Then a step in the right direction would probably be retrying with all-proposed
[05:59] <wxl> how about you just go on there and click them all? that seems to require less effort at least
 I did for a handful of them
[06:00] <wxl> well keep going down the list and then i'll see about making sense out of the rest
[06:00] <wxl> and since you know about the stuff Santa's working on, could you check in with him about it?
 But like I said wxl this will become much less of a problem when the tooling is fixed to bump deps for autopkgtests as well as build deps, because the autopkgtesters have -proposed enabled but have apt pinning so that only the strictly necessary packages are pulled in.
 Hi Santa ;)
 @wxl, I need to go to bed for real this time.
[06:02] <wxl> k. what i'm hearing is "please wait" anyways
 I'm trying but I can't do much for ya right now wxl, sorry :/
 But if you find some legit failures, by all means, fix it
 Hi from the bed
 @Santa, Sorry if I woke you
[06:03] <wxl> "please wait" rather than "try to poke blindly with a stick though there's probably little hope of any immediate solution" is much preferred :)
 @tsimonq2, That may solve it or not, we will see
 @Santa, Even if it doesn't solve all of it it should pick up some weird failures.
 @tsimonq2, I was already awake, but still in bed haha
 @Santa, Heh ok
 o/
[06:05] <wxl> nite
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[10:34] <acheronuk> tsimonq2 wxl: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=387824
[11:25] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
 I'll be around for a limited amount of time until this afternoon. Ping if you need me.
 Ok
[14:20] <wxl[m]> @tsimonq2 so looks like that one needs upstream help, eh ?
 @wxl[m], Yep iirc
 So wxl did you get the nagging emails this morning? :P
 (for frameworks)
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[16:04] <wxl> @tsimonq2: i think i got the nagging emails last night
 @wxl, Heh good :P
[16:15] <wxl> @tsimonq2: maaaybe?
 @wxl, It helps you keep on top of it. ;P
[16:16] <wxl> @tsimonq2: i thought the emails that i saw were related to the tests failing, though?
 @wxl, Nope. They now have emails for when things are stuck in proposed. :P
[16:17] <acheronuk> wxl: ktexteditor may have commits upstream that looks like fixes to it's fail
[16:18] <wxl> @tsimonq2: yeah, and that's what it seemed to be related to, i thought
 @wxl, Right
[16:21] <wxl> @tsimonq2: so what's that have to do with symbols?
 @wxl, ?
[16:22] <acheronuk> who mentioned symbols?
[16:22] <wxl> i thought someone did, but lastlog is behaving very weird for me and filling my screen with useless garb so perhaps that's old. sorry. i need caffiene
[16:23] <acheronuk> mmmmm..... coffee
[16:23] <wxl> so anyways i'm back on to "wait and see" XD
 I'll be gone from ~ $hour:30 to $hour+1:00 so don't be mad if you don't see me for a bit. 😉
 $hour?
 Gone for 30 minutes from half past
 @acheronuk, $hour for me is 10, UTC-6
[16:28] <acheronuk> still a lot of running and queued tests, especially BIG ones, so this may take a few days
[16:29] <acheronuk> frameworks is particularly bad, as most of our stuff depends on so much of it!
[16:30] <wxl> right, so wait, got it XD
[16:31] <acheronuk> ktexteditor is one that can be looked at now though
[16:32] <wxl> i'll have a looksie
[17:50] <wxl> here's the fail in ktexteditor: https://share.riseup.net/#m8tf_En9gxY2GdZIoog-kg
[17:50] <wxl> tl;dr it's the katesyntax test only
[17:51] <wxl> looks like 14/15 fails
[17:52] <wxl> ah the 15th one is just an init i think
[17:52] <wxl> they are all, not surprisingly, syntax highlighting tests
[17:52] <acheronuk> so one test (and it's 14 functional subtests, fail)?
[17:52] <wxl> it seems to me they changed the color
[17:53] <wxl> correct
[17:53] <acheronuk> ues
[17:53] <wxl> example fail:
[17:53] <acheronuk> *yes
[17:53] <wxl> -

[17:53] <wxl> +

[17:53] <wxl> that's ---reference +++current
[17:53] <acheronuk> so, a fix?
[17:54] <wxl> well i wonder if it's simply intentional. if it is, it's just a matter of updating the tests, from what i can tell
[17:55] <acheronuk> have they updated it upstream since the 5.41 tars were made/tagged?
[18:00] <wxl> acheronuk: i got to this but i'm not sure where to find the actual test itself https://cgit.kde.org/ktexteditor.git/tree/autotests/src/katesyntaxtest.cpp
[18:01] <wxl> ah i think i found it
[18:02] <wxl> there it is https://cgit.kde.org/ktexteditor.git/tree/autotests/input/syntax/rmarkdown/results/example.rmd.reference.html#n11
[18:02] <wxl> that's actually for the very last one on the previous paste
[18:03] <wxl> how does one blame with cgit?
[18:03] <acheronuk> yes, the reference data paths are shown in that test fail
[18:03] <acheronuk> wxl: maybe have a look at the git log?
[18:03] <acheronuk> https://cgit.kde.org/ktexteditor.git/log/
[18:04] <wxl> hahahah
[18:04] <wxl> yeah i don't usually do that because it's often searching for a needle in the haystack
[18:04] <wxl> BT
[18:04] <wxl> BUT i mean
[18:04] <wxl> https://cgit.kde.org/ktexteditor.git/commit/autotests/input/syntax/rmarkdown/results?id=210eb236660afe3e13e195faf0a8f719b63c0f53
[18:04] <wxl> right at the top
[18:04] <wxl> oh
[18:04] <wxl> that's the fix
[18:04] <acheronuk> yes, that show the change for just that file
[18:05] <acheronuk> but... that commit changes more
[18:05] <acheronuk> https://cgit.kde.org/ktexteditor.git/commit/?id=210eb236660afe3e13e195faf0a8f719b63c0f53
[18:06] <wxl> right
[18:06] <wxl> that's the fix
[18:06] <acheronuk> seems so
[18:07] <wxl> so i should pull down this one patch then?
[18:08] <acheronuk> to test, yes
[18:08] <acheronuk> there is a link in the commit for a patch
[18:08] <acheronuk> commit	210eb236660afe3e13e195faf0a8f719b63c0f53 (patch)
[18:09] <acheronuk> fine, bot
[18:09] <acheronuk> (patch) is a link
[18:09] <acheronuk> https://cgit.kde.org/ktexteditor.git/patch/?id=210eb236660afe3e13e195faf0a8f719b63c0f53
[18:15] <acheronuk> wxl: BTW, I have upgraded this artful box to 5.41 from staging, and so far so good :)
[18:18] <wxl> acheronuk: so i need to recreate an autopkgtest environment?
[18:18] <acheronuk> if you want to run the test realistically, yes
[18:19] <wxl> too bad we don't have an OpenStack cloud as that seems even easier :)
[18:19] <acheronuk> hehe
[18:22] <acheronuk> ideally you'd run the test yourself anyway
[18:24] <acheronuk> comparing the test results on build.kde.org for that commit to the previous, it can be seen it fixed the equivalent fail there
[18:24] <acheronuk> so it's a good bet, even if you were not able to test locally
[18:34] <wxl> are you advising that i just go ahead and apply the patch?
[18:35] <acheronuk> can you test it?
[18:35] <wxl> i can but i'd want to do that at home. this machine is a little crippled from a virtualization perspective
[18:35] <wxl> i got a new one on the way but it's not ready yet
[18:36] <wxl> there's no way i could run it on the kontainer and connect to it remotely is there?
[18:36] <acheronuk> I'm asking, as I tested it earlier :P
[18:36] <wxl> yeah i hear what you're saying. i'd like to test it :)
[18:36] <acheronuk> wxl: probably would work on the container with LXD
[18:37] <wxl> i'll try playing around with that. it would be a lot easier for all of us if we could use that as an option
[18:37] <acheronuk> just trying now.....
[18:38] <acheronuk> I usually run locally, as this machine slightly out performs linode for stuff like this
[18:39] <wxl> i like the idea of taking my work with me as i go, thus the benefit of the kontainer
[18:39] <acheronuk> indeed
[18:39] <wxl> so like i said, i'll give that some effort
[18:40] <acheronuk> seems to be working.....
[18:41] <wxl> oh you just got it going eh?
[18:42] <wxl> did you have to do anything other than autopkgtest-buildvm-ubuntu-cloud -v?
[18:42] <acheronuk> yeah, well I was playing around with it earlier when I was having local issues with lxd. so giot most of the way to setting it up
[18:43] <wxl> s/vm-ubuntu-cloud/-lxd/
[18:44] <acheronuk> autopkgtest-buildvm-ubuntu-cloud would not work for me. (1) from ages ago, the virtualisation on the linode CPUs (or something) doesn't like that and (2) those cloud images are a bit broken at the moment
[18:44] <acheronuk> so I was using lxd
[18:44] <wxl> what did you specify for the images?
[18:45] <acheronuk> autopkgtest-build-lxd images:ubuntu/bionic/amd64
[18:45] <wxl> k cool :)
[18:45] <acheronuk> then run
[18:45] <acheronuk> autopkgtest ktexteditor --apt-pocket=proposed -U --shell-fail --build-parallel=4 -- lxd autopkgtest/ubuntu/bionic/amd64
[18:46] <acheronuk> that would do the reference run, with the archive package
[18:46] <acheronuk> to see the fail
[18:46] <acheronuk> then do
[18:46] <wxl> ah foo i haven't run lxd yet
[18:46] <wxl> init gave me a bad file descriptior issue
[18:46] <wxl> i took all the defaults. problem with btrfs maybe?
[18:47] <acheronuk> think mine used zfs
[18:47] <wxl> hm
[18:48] <wxl> zfs isn't listed as an option i'll figure it out
[18:49] <acheronuk> I probably need to check what I have. Mine was init ages ago, but not set up more than that until today
[18:53] <wxl> i wonder if running on bionic is a problem
[18:58] <acheronuk> hmmm. my lxd on linode is using 'dir' for the storage pool!
[18:58] <acheronuk> locally here it's zfs
[18:59] <acheronuk> lxd is confusing
[18:59] <wxl> ah
[19:00] <wxl> that worked :)
[19:00] <acheronuk> which is why I used to just use thsoe cloud images, locally, with qemu
[19:00] <acheronuk> until that broke today
[19:00] <acheronuk> aha. good :)
[19:01] <wxl> building
[19:27] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_plasma-workspace build #393: STILL FAILING in 3 min 55 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_plasma-workspace/393/
[19:28] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_stable_plasma-workspace build #158: STILL FAILING in 4 min 57 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_stable_plasma-workspace/158/
[19:37] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_plasma-workspace build #394: STILL FAILING in 4 min 47 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_plasma-workspace/394/
[19:38] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_stable_plasma-workspace build #159: STILL FAILING in 4 min 50 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_stable_plasma-workspace/159/
[19:56] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project artful_unstable_plasma-workspace build #219: STILL FAILING in 32 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/artful_unstable_plasma-workspace/219/
[19:56] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project bionic_unstable_plasma-workspace build #49: STILL FAILING in 33 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/bionic_unstable_plasma-workspace/49/
[20:13] <acheronuk> wxl: any luck?
[20:20] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kwin build #355: NOW UNSTABLE in 36 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kwin/355/
[20:25] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project bionic_unstable_plasma-workspace build #50: ABORTED in 23 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/bionic_unstable_plasma-workspace/50/
[20:29] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project artful_unstable_plasma-workspace build #220: STILL FAILING in 27 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/artful_unstable_plasma-workspace/220/
[20:30] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project bionic_unstable_kwin build #38: ABORTED in 4 min 31 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/bionic_unstable_kwin/38/
[20:55] <wxl> acheronuk: unfortunately no https://share.riseup.net/#VcCjjUmOSMG5TNsgeMFgWw
[20:56] <wxl> i had the "wicked resolution" when building but everything ended up resolving itself
[21:00] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[21:00] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project bionic_unstable_plasma-workspace build #51: FIXED in 30 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/bionic_unstable_plasma-workspace/51/
[21:01] <wxl> update didn't help
[21:01] <wxl> what's your resolve.conf like acheronuk ?
[21:03] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kwin build #356: STILL UNSTABLE in 43 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kwin/356/
[21:03] <wxl> or maybe you have some sort of proxy set up?
[21:06] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_plasma-workspace build #395: STILL FAILING in 2 min 48 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_plasma-workspace/395/
[21:09] <acheronuk> wxl: tried to run it gain, and now not working!
[21:09] <acheronuk> grrrr
[21:09] <wxl> same error???
[21:12] <acheronuk> no, mine jut hung at testbed setup
[21:12] <acheronuk> *just
[21:14] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_plasma-workspace build #396: STILL FAILING in 2 min 48 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_plasma-workspace/396/
[21:27] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project artful_unstable_kwin build #210: NOW UNSTABLE in 57 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/artful_unstable_kwin/210/
[21:35] <tsimonq2> wxl: Upload it to a PPA, I can queue an autopkgtest against that
[21:35] <wxl> just hold on
[21:35] <wxl> i have a theory
[21:35] <tsimonq2> Go ahead wxl but if you run out of ideas, that's a solution ;)
[21:50] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[21:50] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project artful_unstable_plasma-workspace build #221: FIXED in 23 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/artful_unstable_plasma-workspace/221/
[21:51] <wxl> grr
[21:51] <wxl> i'd really like it to work :(
[21:52] <acheronuk> and now in runs again. lol
[21:52] <wxl> are you getting the something wicked garbage?
[21:53] <acheronuk> nope
[21:56] <acheronuk> deleted images and storage and started again
[21:56] <acheronuk> I am not 100% sure what sorted it
[21:59] <wxl> ooh
[22:00] <wxl> that <IP_ADDRESS>:3142 is an apt proxy
[22:01] <tsimonq2> wxl: apt-cacher-ng
[22:10] <acheronuk> cloud images should be fixed on next build run hopefully. so that gives another option, albeit again one that won't work on linode
[22:21] <wxl> well commenting out the apt-cacher definition in /etc/apt/conf.d worked just fine
[22:22] <wxl> now let's see what happens with the test
[22:26] <wxl> it's possible the defaults aren't sufficient
[22:26] <wxl> it does seem to think there's a proxy but *shrugs*
[22:36] <wxl> this fixes it so it work swith the proxy https://askubuntu.com/questions/895197/how-do-i-cache-packages-for-a-snapcraft-cleanbuild
[22:36] <wxl> tl;dr export LXD_ADDRESS=$(ip -4 -o address show dev lxdbr0 | awk -F'[ /]*' '{print $4}') && lxc profile set default environment.http_proxy "http://$LXD_ADDRESS:3128"
[22:36] <wxl> of course that only does ipv4 but oh well
[22:37] <wxl> so now how do i apply the patch to the test?
[22:39] <tsimonq2> wxl: You patch the source using quilt.
[22:39] <wxl> and throw it in a ppa?
[22:39] <tsimonq2> i.e. extract the tar and use https://raphaelhertzog.com/2012/08/08/how-to-use-quilt-to-manage-patches-in-debian-packages/
[22:39] <tsimonq2> Well, that too
[22:39] <tsimonq2> (enable all possible arches)
[22:40] <wxl> how would i do that with autopkgtest's lxd backend, tho?
[22:40] <acheronuk> git-clone-all -s ktexteditor
[22:40] <acheronuk> cd ktexteditor/git/
[22:40] <tsimonq2> wxl: I can retry the tests using the package from your PPA
[22:41] <acheronuk> quilt import path_to_your_patch
[22:41] <acheronuk> gbp-ppa
[22:42] <acheronuk> then run the autotest with the .dsc and the package argument
[22:42] <acheronuk> *as the
[22:42] <wxl> AH
[22:42] <wxl> you're awesome
[22:42] <acheronuk> or if not using git, you can 'pull-lp-source ktextedit'
[22:43] <acheronuk> do the same import in that
[22:43] <acheronuk> and then do 'debuild -S -sa -us -uc' to make a quick source build to test
 Wow, good evening, it's been developed factory in here today, good skills 😁
[22:44] <wxl> :)
[22:44] <tsimonq2> :)
[22:44] <acheronuk> :)
[22:44] <acheronuk> lol
[22:44] <wxl> we need to document this lxd autopkgtesting. this is good stuff.
 good Stuff!!!
[22:45] <acheronuk> santa has a page mentioning lcx on the wiki. so we can add the better new lxd way, if it's not there now
[22:45] <wxl> point me at that and i'll edit away
[22:46] <acheronuk> https://phabricator.kde.org/w/kubuntu/autopkgtests/staging_howto/
[22:46] <wxl> danke
[22:46] <acheronuk> it's actually meant to be for testing against a ppa, but includes that lxc bit
[22:46] <acheronuk> so maybe that could be separated out
[22:46] <wxl> if i put the docs in there, at least we have it to refer to and someone else can separate it out if they want
[22:47] <acheronuk> ok
 (Document) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/T9vZSH7X/file_3802.pdf
 @tsimonq2, This might help wxl
[22:52] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[22:52] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project bionic_unstable_plasma-desktop build #41: FIXED in 40 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/bionic_unstable_plasma-desktop/41/
[22:54] <wxl> omgerd
[22:54] <tsimonq2> This is why we need it on a central server, so when Santa needs to do server maintenance we can still have that
[22:54] <acheronuk> not as bad as it looks
[22:54] <tsimonq2> Right
[22:55] <tsimonq2> A major part of this is the fact that the queues are huge...
[22:55] <tsimonq2> We'll have a better look once all the tests are ran
[22:55] <acheronuk> yeah, I can prod to fix some now, but more of the same may fail later
[22:57] <wxl> how did you say to get the patch from cgit? or should i just copy the diffstat?
 (Photo, 665x436) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/rRLJ3lmw/file_3804.jpg
[23:01] <acheronuk> whatever works though
[23:03] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: I'm half asleep, so can you make sure this gets done if time?
[23:03] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: sure
[23:06] <wxl> https://share.riseup.net/#hGdzCoQZsDmW6vqJgDaFKg
[23:06] <wxl> that's.... weird.....
[23:07] <wxl> also weird that lp:ka says i registered it XD
[23:09] <wxl> that happens even when called gbp-ppa with -d bionic
[23:09] <wxl> oh wait
[23:09] <wxl> wrong location
[23:10] <wxl> nooo...
[23:11] <wxl> and yes i did git-clone-all -s ktexteditor -b kubuntu_bionic_archive
[23:40] <wxl> i just don't understand how this worked for all of frameworks but not for a single package.. i.. don't even
[23:50] <acheronuk> are you in the git folder>
[23:50] <wxl> yeah
[23:50] <wxl> aren't you supposed to be in bed tho? XD
[23:51] <acheronuk> I am
[23:51] <wxl> awww how cute :)
[23:51] <acheronuk> laptops are evil
[23:53] <wxl> i'm exclusively phone in bed
[23:55] <acheronuk> has bionic?
[23:55] <acheronuk>  /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/lib/ubuntu_info.py
[23:56] <wxl> it's bionic if that's what you mean
[23:56] <wxl> and that file exists
[23:57] <acheronuk> https://git.launchpad.net/ka/tree/libka/ubuntu_info.py#n20
[23:57] <acheronuk>     "bionic": "18.04",
[23:57] <acheronuk> has that?


[19:13] <kzh> I am unsure where the proper place to check if a certain bug has been filed, I have an upgrading issue.
[19:18] <kzh> Looks like the bug has been reported and is confirmed. Thanks!


[15:05] <jphilips> knome: was thinking to do a post on social media for those with website development skills. would they just need wordpress skills?
[17:00] -BottyMcBotFace:#xubuntu-devel- Reminder: Next meeting chair is Unit193
[19:21] <jphilips> Is the text on the slides not translatable, or has it just not been translated into japanese - https://i1.wp.com/jikantoki.gozaru.jp/bin/blog/xubuntu/ubiquity7.png


[17:51] <lanoxx> Dr_Willis, do you know how gnome-session-save works?
[17:52] <NRVate> wouldnt that indicate libpulse0 won't install?
[17:52] <NRVate> so you'd then want to figure out why libpulse0 won't install?
[17:52] <Dr_Willis> lanoxx:  not really messed with ot.
[17:52] <corp186> NRVate: libpulse0 is installed
[17:53] <corp186> NRVate: but it's libpulse0 1:0.9.19-0ubuntu2
[17:53] <corp186> NRVate: the latest is -0ubuntu3 I believe
[17:53] <Pconfig> hey, i have a dependency issue. I upgraded to karmic beta 2 days ago. Before karmic a had some ppa repo enabled to give me vdpau support so xine got updated to a version in that repo. Now karmic ships the same version and for some reason libxine-ffmpeg get removed during the update. When i want to install the lib now it depends on the official ubuntu version but i can't seem to change the xinelib i have installed now
[17:53] <corp186> but it won't still it
[17:53] <nemo> joaopinto: Hey, sent you an updated e-mail.
[17:53] <nemo> joaopinto: clearly that opengl feature is not reliably supported by either manufacturer
[17:55] <lanoxx> Dr_Willis, man gnome-session specifies 3 files of which neither of them are present
[17:55] <lanoxx> Dr_Willis, any idea how that could be?
[17:55] <joaopinto> nemo, ok, didn't check the email yet :\
[17:55] <Dr_Willis> lanoxx:  ive not messed with gnome session management in years. so Nope. :)
[17:55] <Dr_Willis> bbl
[17:56] <lanoxx> anyone else have an idea?
[17:56] <oldude67> anyone know where vbox web page can be found?
[17:56] <NRVate> hmm.. current version of pulseaudio depends on the newer version?
[17:56] <oldude67> !info vbox
[17:56] <NRVate> hmm.. you on i386 or amd64?
[17:56] <NRVate> @corpl86
[17:56] <oldude67> o b. s.
[17:57] <NRVate> you are correct, 0ubuntu3 is current for libpulse0
[17:58] <NRVate> pulseaudio is also 0u3 now.
[17:58] <oldude67> !info virtualbox
[17:59] <NRVate> !info pulseaudio
[17:59] <NRVate> neat.
[17:59] <fahadsadah> Canonical no longer support ACL?
[17:59] <fahadsadah> How comes? It's a core part of linux.
[17:59] <nemo> joaopinto: just as well ;)
[17:59] <kaddi> !vbox | oldude67 maybe you're looking for this?
[18:00] <nemo> joaopinto: NPOTT saves a little memory, but clearly is just not reliable. at least in ATI/nvidia
[18:01] <corp186> NRVate: output from apt-get: http://pastebin.com/d5527751c
[18:01] <kaddi> !info virtualbox-ose | oldude67 or possibly this:
[18:02] <oldude67> dont want the one in repos, it wont support usb..but thanks kaddi
[18:02] <giggsey> I installed the Beta, and the wifi worked fine (I have an Atheros Ar5001 chip), but after doing updates and rebooting the wireless stopped working. It says Wifi is turned off (stil finds a driver). Hardware switch affects nothing. Any ideas?
[18:03] <falstaff|h> sometimes i see grub 1.97, sometimes not, why? When I just reboot, i dont see it...
[18:03] <eagles0513875> oldude67: ask in vbox if your having issues
[18:03] <NRVate> yea, just noticing the same deal, that the .18->.19 upgrade is being held back
[18:03] <quiescens> i would imagine you could probably google virtualbox
[18:03] <eagles0513875> quiescens: they have a channel on here
[18:03] <ck773> olddude67: you want the non-free available on the website, virtualbox.org
[18:03] <oldude67> eagles0513875, dont have issues was just trying to find the homepage
[18:03] <eagles0513875> oldude67: let me get it for ya
[18:03] <lanoxx> !gnome-control-center
[18:04] <lanoxx> !gnome-control-center
[18:04] <eagles0513875> oldude67: http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads
[18:04] <lanoxx> who is the maintainer of gnome-control-center?
[18:04] <oldude67> eagles0513875, got it thanks.
[18:04] <eagles0513875> no problem
[18:04] <quiescens> i would still bet that it would have been the first result for googling virtualbox
[18:04] <quiescens> nodnod
[18:04] <oldude67> quiescens, no it wasnt thanks anyways.
[18:05] <quiescens> I suppose you have a different google to me then
[18:05] <oldude67> quiescens, well im sorry that you have to refer everyone to google, just for a simple question..
[18:09] <quiescens> well kaddi already got the url by typing !vbox before I suggested google so I probably didn't need to try googling it
[18:10] <oldude67> quiescens, sheesh drop it.
[18:13] <ha1331> Just upgraded from 9.04 to 9.10. All went pretty well, except for the fact that I had VirtualBox with XP client and after upgrade I didn't have the image anymore. So I lost the whole XP.
[18:14] <ha1331> And these days when I start playing movie on smplayer, on start of the movie I get loud cracking noise from speakers.
[18:14] <quiescens> the upgrade deleted the disk image or something?
[18:15] <ha1331> plus the picture jerks and almost freeses and all sound disapears if I put it on fullscreen. It starts to work if I rewind the movie
[18:15] <OmnipotentEntity> On my wireless: Karmic Koala Carelessly Kills my Card with Current Kernel.
[18:15] <OmnipotentEntity> :)
[18:15] <nemo> joaopinto: oh. latest patch should also fix problem where some video cards weren't reporting their max texture size - assumes 1024 if 0 is returned (that unfortunately reduces quality, but better than assuming 2048 and just erroring)
[18:15] <ha1331> quiescens: yes. I still have the virtual box but the image disapearred
[18:15] <quiescens> she sells sea shells
[18:15] <eagles0513875> kde the network manage doesnt even connect to my wireless as well as not store the connection info and password
[18:16] <quiescens> strange
[18:16] <quiescens> where was the disk image being stored
[18:16] <ha1331> quiescens: actually even the virtual machine is there on the list but if I try to start it, it just tell's me no disk image
[18:16] <lanoxx> why is launchpad so damn slow recently
[18:17] <quiescens> the image might still be somewhere
[18:18] <ha1331> quiescens: it's no biggie. Just had it for photoshop and something else. Not a biggie, just 20 minutes and I', back in busines
[18:18] <quiescens> maybe find out the filename of the disk image its trying to use and search for it and then add the disk image back into the virtualbox disk manager
[18:18] <ha1331> just wanted to tell what happened
[18:19] <pratik_narain> is something being done in karmic regarding ati graphics cards
[18:20] <Theresia> hey guys... i've got a problem with the kubuntu 9.10 beta. i installed the os successfully on my hd. but the operating system isn't booting after a reboot. the boot-configuration in the bios is alright. i don't know what i shall do :/
[18:20] <quiescens> still, it would be nice to know whether the disk was actually deleted or something
[18:20] <quiescens> or just misplaced
[18:20] <om26er> Theresia: come again
[18:20] <quiescens> because if it actually deleted it or something then it would pose a significant data loss risk
[18:21] <om26er> Theresia: any other os was installed before
[18:21] <OmnipotentEntity> quiescens, you can look up the name of the virtual machine in virtualbox configuration
[18:21] <om26er> Theresia: mac or win
[18:21] <om26er> Theresia: or any other distro
[18:21] <OmnipotentEntity> and the machines are stored in ~/.VirtualBox
[18:21] <quiescens> not me
[18:22] <Theresia> om26er: Nope, it's a new Velociraptor
[18:22] <quiescens> theresia: any error or anything?
[18:23] <Twigathy> w00t, my NFS mounts in fstab actually mounted on boot this time :D
[18:23] <Twigathy> hurrah for updates :)
[18:24] <shawn_> What exactly is Ubuntu one?
[18:24] <om26er> Twigathy: yes its really great
[18:24] <OmnipotentEntity> Anyway, my card is atheros AR5001X+, and the ath_pci module isn't available anymore for my kernel, it seems like, and the ath5k driver is buggy and slow (ath9k is not applicable to my card) any idea?
[18:24] <om26er> shawn_: online web storage service from canonical with 2gb free space
[18:25] <shawn_> om26er, Oh and I can access it anywhere?
[18:25] <om26er> shawn_: sure
[18:25] <Theresia> quiescens: The only "error" I can see is when I shut down after the install... There is something said about "process xxx killed by bus system" ... But it's a error-message like that one's I had in my previous ubuntu 9.04-installation
[18:25] <quiescens> I mean
[18:25] <quiescens> when you try to boot it
[18:25] <ninjah> When Empathy beeps it does so at maximum volume. How do I change that?
[18:25] <quiescens> what do you get?
[18:25] <om26er> shawn_: u can extend that to 50gb by paying
[18:25] <shawn_> om26er, Would be useful if I didnt have my own server xD
[18:26] <Theresia> quiescens: I just get nothing... There is just the blinking "_" after "Verifying DMI Pool Data ..........."
 etc, until it gets to "Checking battery state... ... [OK]" then it says "...done." and just sits with a blinking cursor.  I let it sit awhile, but it hasn't changed in ten minutes or so.  Any ideas?
[18:26] <om26er> shawn_: i don't know about that but i guess its not for server
[18:28] <quiescens> mm
[18:28] <quiescens> I don't know exactly
[18:28] <quiescens> I would probably try putting the hard drive higher than the cd drive in the boot order and then put a bootable cd in
[18:29] <quiescens> see if its actually trying to boot the hd or if its not finding anything bootable at all
[18:29] <Theresia> quiescens: 1 moment
[18:30] <Theresia> i did as you told me
[18:30] <Theresia> the cd is not booting
[18:30] <Theresia> just the blinking "_"
[18:31] <quiescens> hard to say if its not giving an error
[18:31] <om26er> Theresia: try a bootable usb
[18:31] <Theresia> om26er: Installing ubuntu on the usb-device?
[18:32] <om26er> Theresia: from the usb i guess
[18:33] <om26er> Theresia: although you might also give a try to install on a usb it might work
[18:33] <om26er> Theresia: ***just to check
[18:33] <quiescens> did you install grub to /dev/sda
[18:33] <quiescens> or um
[18:34] <om26er> Theresia: any extra usb connected
[18:34] <Theresia> quiescens: hum... i just followed the setup... i'll check it. no, no extra usb-devices
[18:34] <ninjah> Empathy Bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/451113
[18:36] <ninjah> Empathy Bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/451113
[18:36] <om26er> Theresia: give it a try again
[18:36] <Theresia> @work.
[18:38] <quiescens> I can't remember whether grub installs to mbr or superblock
[18:38] <om26er> quiescens: mbr
[18:42] <lazarus> i just upgraded to ubuntu karmic, i have an ATi card and graphics are not working properly, i cannot see the desktop
[18:42] <lazarus> help please
[18:42] <Theresia> hum, grub HAS TO BE on sda? sdc is a problem?
[18:43] <quiescens> no
[18:43] <om26er> Theresia: sda is you harddrive if you boot from you harddrive then grub needs to be installed on sda
[18:44] <om26er> lazarus: ATI worked on jaunty??
[18:44] <Theresia> Ty!
[18:44] <lazarus> yes
[18:45] <om26er> lazarus: did a clean install? or  upgrade from jaunty?
[18:45] <lazarus> upgrade from jaunty
[18:45] <quiescens> theresia: if there's only one hard drive then it probably should be sda
[18:46] <om26er> Theresia: you have done nothing wrong you just need a new install
[18:46] <om26er> Theresia: again
[18:46] <JesperHansen> hi, I am trying to install 9.10 beta from a usb stick. Downloaded the ISO, mounted it in daemon tools, used the usb util that followed and checked the integraty of the stick and its ok. I am however gettings errors. "Can not mount /dev/loop1 on /cow"... The casper.log is http://pastebin.org/46737 and dmesg is http://pastebin.org/46738 - NOTE: Both are with DEBUG= kernel boot option.
[18:46] <rob0> Any bootloader has to be on whatever device the BIOS will attempt to boot from.
[18:47] <om26er> lazarus: do you have a karmic live cd?? if yes!! try to run it and see if you desktop comes up
[18:47] <lazarus> the live cd works
[18:49] <om26er> lazarus: that's weired
[18:49] <om26er> lazarus: try running recovery mode
[18:50] <lazarus> on it now
[18:50] <om26er> lazarus: when you get shell in type gdm and enter i might work
[18:50] <om26er> lazarus: yes try it now and come back again
[18:51] <lazarus> same problem
[18:52] <phako> is there really no progress indicator if the system decides it is time to check my harddrive?
[18:52] <om26er> lazarus: omg!! i don't know anything further sorry
[18:53] <lazarus> om26er, WARNING: Unable to find users: no seat-id found
[18:53] <lazarus> om26er, thats what gdm binary says
[18:54] <om26er> lazarus: something is wrong there i think
[18:54] <lazarus> om26er, laptop just overheated
[18:54] <om26er> lazarus: so you really cant reinstall??
[18:55] <lazarus> om26er, still have data, reinstall is my last resort, im trying an older kernel
[18:56] <om26er> lazarus: that won't work i guess
[18:56] <lazarus> om26er, thanks for the help
[18:57] <om26er> lazarus: i never helped you.
[18:58] <lazarus> om26er, no worries
[18:59] <tdcrenshaw> lazerus: boot into recovery mode, then type sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf under Section: "Device" comment out the driver section then reboot
[18:59] <quiescens> lazarus: does it finish booting?
[18:59] <Armageddon> quiescens, yes
[19:00] <quiescens> what happens? blank screen?
[19:00] <Armageddon> tdcrenshaw, I will try that
[19:00] <quiescens> garbled screen?
[19:00] <Armageddon> quiescens, no, freaked up screen
[19:00] <quiescens> does ctrl-alt-f1 still get you to a console login?
[19:00] <quiescens> or is it frozen
[19:00] <pratik_narain> is something being done in karmic regarding ati graphics cards
[19:01] <Armageddon> quiescens, now it is freezing
[19:01] <quiescens> so ctrl-alt-f1 doesn't work when it happens
[19:02] <Armageddon> now no
[19:02] <om26er> pratik_narain: probably kernel 2.26.32
[19:04] <quiescens> you could probably try renaming /etc/X11/xorg.conf and see if it works with default xorg settings
[19:08] <JesperHansen> How often can you possibly repeat a question?
[19:08] <hsarci> rythmbox starts with my macine even though is not in my "Startup programs" list....any ideas??
[19:09] <quiescens> if you mean me, I wasn't sure what they meant by "now"
[19:10] <Theresia> I reinstalled...
[19:10] <om26er> Theresia: and now its working??
[19:10] <Theresia> When I say "restart" after the installation, there are 3 lines of code and the pc is not rebooting:
[19:10] <om26er> power off
[19:10] <Theresia> the loc dont matter?!
[19:11] <Theresia> k
[19:12] <Theresia> i love you guys, it is working. and it's fucking fast :D
[19:13] <Theresia> thank you, bye!
[19:15] <hsarci> rythmbox starts with my macine even though is not in my "Startup programs" list....any ideas??
[19:20] <zooko> Hi folks!  Phoronix benchmark shows huge performance regression for Karmic in sqlite insertions: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=freebsd8_ubuntu910&num=7
[19:20] <zooko> (Otherwise Karmic performance looks good.)
[19:25] <quiescens> its an ext4 thing
[19:26] <quiescens> not entirely sure why
[19:28] <zooko> Yeah.
[19:28] <porter1> Anyone else experiencing more pulseaudio problems (protocol-native.c: Failed to push data into queue) stuff?
[19:32] <OmnipotentEntity> My card is atheros AR5001X+, and the ath_pci module isn't available anymore for my kernel, it seems like, and the ath5k driver is buggy and slow (ath9k is not applicable to my card) any idea?
[19:33] <chanson> where does KWin log when it crashes? I have an intermittent error where KWin will sometimes not allow compositing sometimes a reboot fixes sometimes not, I am fully updated/upgraded through aptitude
[19:36] <chanson> I have looked at the .xsession_errors and can't really find anything that would lead me in a direction, I am using an intel 965 card
[19:51] <duffydack> was the option "require me to login to decrypt my home folder" there in karmic beta installer?
[19:51]  * duffydack installing a daily-live, dont remember seeing it before.
[19:55] <tavasti> what replaces vol_id in karmic? udev package does not include that anymore
[19:57] <alankila> blkid
[19:58] <tavasti> thanks
[19:59] <sdg> FFS Karmic just crashed and I lost data AGAIN
[20:00] <JesperHansen> I am trying to install 9.10 beta from a usb stick. Downloaded the ISO, mounted it in daemon tools, used the usb util that followed and checked the integraty of the stick and its ok. I am however gettings errors. "Can not mount /dev/loop1 on /cow"... The casper.log is http://pastebin.org/46737 and dmesg is http://pastebin.org/46738 - NOTE: Both are with DEBUG= kernel boot option.
[20:02] <sebsebseb> JesperHansen: Deamontools does not get used to install Ubuntu!
[20:02] <JesperHansen> sebsebseb, its used to mount the iso and using the usb util.
[20:05] <ck773> Jesper: did you try a utility like unetbootin to make your bootable usb stick?
[20:06] <ck773> Jesper: There is good help here with various methods for doing what you are attempting: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[20:12] <JesperHansen> ck773, trying the UNetbootin thing instead now.
[20:13] <ck773> JesperHansen: It seems to make good sense..
[20:15] <ck773> JesperHansen: Note that you will need to have the .iso for Karmic handy as UNetbootin will not have the beta version available yet.
[20:19] <edgy> Hi, when I click shutdown from the menu in kubuntu it didn't work!
[20:22] <JesperHansen> ck773, same error there. Will download a daily to see if it also has the fault
[20:23] <rrreds> yeah i have a question
[20:23] <gorthaug> hi
[20:23] <rrreds> i have a wireless device
[20:23] <rrreds> that is recognized by ubuntu
[20:23] <rrreds> but does not run
[20:24] <rrreds> will not connect to internet through the wirelees device?
[20:24] <rrreds> can any one tell me what to do
[20:24] <rrreds> i have a linksys
[20:24] <rrreds> and ubuntu 8
[20:25] <thiebaude> JesperHansen, im using a daily from today, what is the problem?
[20:25] <rrreds> my wireless device doesnt work
[20:25] <ck773> rrreds: Go to the #ubuntu channel for non-beta support.
[20:25] <JesperHansen> thiebaude, "Can not mount /dev/loop1 on /cow"... The casper.log is http://pastebin.org/46737
[20:26] <JesperHansen> I found 1 bug report about it, but I found it more confusing than useful
[20:27] <thiebaude> JesperHansen, haven't found no problem since i dont mount anything
[20:27] <BoxMagnet> any idea why my harddrive is so hot on my laptop on ubuntu?
[20:27] <ck773> oh geez..I have tried with loopback partitions...and Karmic had trouble booting them for me as well
[20:27] <BoxMagnet> it was not like this in winblows
[20:28] <JesperHansen> thiebaude, its the live "cd" (actually usb stick) that mounts during the upstart that fails.
[20:28] <thiebaude> JesperHansen, ahh, ok i see what your saying
[20:29] <thiebaude> JesperHansen, i burnt a alternate cd 2 hrs ago
[20:30] <undeconstructed> hi, has anyone found their gnome panel's suddenly have suddenly become invisible?  I just started eclipse, and now I can't see the panels at all, although I can still click on them, and they work fine
[20:39] <Snotty_> Hi, Who likes Karmic koala? I definitly think that karmic is best OS ever.
[20:39] <thiebaude> Snotty_, i love it
[20:40] <thiebaude> Snotty_, its the only OS on my computer
[20:41] <chanson> Where would I find the debug logs for KWin crashes besides in .xsession-errors?
[20:43] <elvirolo> hi
[20:43] <elvirolo> is anyone using kubuntu able to connect to secure wifi networks with knetworkmanager ?
[20:43] <jimlovell777> After installing all available updates for karmic if I select more than one video to be played in Totem only the first video has sound. To hear the next video I have to close Totem and re-open for the file. Is this a known issue?
[20:45] <BluesKaj> anyone get any updates today ...I haven't
[20:46] <jemark> BluesKaj, me neither, only some ppa updates... ;)
[20:46] <thiebaude> BluesKaj, not me, either
[20:47] <thiebaude> BluesKaj, and 2 hrs ago i installed the daily cd
[20:47] <jemark> thiebaude, it's probably the rc ;)
[20:47] <BluesKaj> ok, the repos aren't being loaded today ...maybe the the lull before the storm next week :)
[20:47] <thiebaude> jemark, its sure stable for me
[20:48] <jemark> thiebaude, also stable here :) much better ATI and Intel video support.
[20:49] <BluesKaj> are those older numbered rt patches that end up on grub, safe to delete ?
[20:49] <thiebaude> jemark, thats cool, flash is very good and in full screen
[20:49] <whirleystar> hi folks. i upgraded from jaunty to karmic beta, intel-video, now i have vertical bars instead of an X login, and fuzzy bars (one blinks) when ctrl-alt-f1 to terminal.... i think the blinking one is a gigantic cursor
[20:50] <jemark> thiebaude, yes, on my newer laptop with the i965 intel card (X3100) it's good too.
[20:50] <thiebaude> whirleystar, which intel card
[20:50] <thiebaude> jemark, i have nvidia
[20:51] <jemark> thiebaude, nvidia is very good supported under linux.
[20:51] <whirleystar> laptop: gateway M-6834,  video: Intel GMA X3100
[20:52] <jemark> whirleystar, I have no problems with this card...
[20:53] <thiebaude> jemark, yep, it sure is,
[20:53] <jemark> whirleystar, In fact, I'm typing on a Dell Inspiron 1525 with a X3100 card.
[20:53]  * thiebaude i cant wait until the release party
[20:56] <fcuk112_> the party is in my pants.
[20:56] <fcuk112_> just kidding.
[20:57] <whirleystar> hmm... i did "update-notifier-kde -d" confirmed that everything installed before rebooting... i have had two boots that worked, not the first nor the last
[20:57] <fcuk112_> any release party in london?
[21:01] <d33d> Question - Is there a problem with the Main Menu configuration program? When I select "System Tools" and check off a few applications, they aren't posting back to the Main Menu...
[21:02] <tonyyarusso> fcuk112_: I know that there is, but don't have the details.  See if it's on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseParties
[21:04] <d33d> False alarm, looks like its working now.
[21:07] <elvirolo> hum, it seems i can't connect to WEP either although it works with nm-applet
[21:08] <ioka> hello
[21:09] <ioka> when I start /etc/init.d/dhcpd I get not such file of directory /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.config .THe file exist
[21:12] <whirleystar> so, i used ssh to get in, is there some way i can check for necessary driver version for intel x3100?
[21:14] <jemark> whirleystar, I use X.Org X Server <IP_ADDRESS>1
[21:15] <jemark> whirleystar, you can check it in the xorg log file...
[21:15] <NRVate> man guys, karmic is looking pretty sweet.  nice going.
[21:15] <whirleystar> just looked there, grepped "EE" and got (EE) intel(0): I830 Dma Initialization Failed
[21:16] <dominic_> I have a pretty serious problem with update manager
[21:17] <dominic_> every time i click "check for new updates", i get a notification of "Installation defaults for Gnome power manager has failed" or something...
[21:18] <dominic_> *has failed = have not installed correctly
[21:18] <dominic_> can anyone help?
[21:18] <dominic_> i tried going into synaptic to install, but it told me to run "sudo dpkg --configure -a" because it was broken. I ran it, and that didn't work
[21:19] <dominic_> It gives a parse error on line 28
[21:19] <dominic_> can anyone heklp?
[21:19] <jt76> has anyone here every used Crossover?
[21:19] <Travis-42> one of the recent updates made notifications from rhythmbox really tiny (can't read anything). Any idea how to fix this?
[21:20] <darthanubis> !patience | dominic_
[21:21] <whirleystar> jemark: X.org server: 1.6.4-2ubuntu3, intel module: compiled for 1.6.0, module version = 2.4.1
[21:22] <dominic_> huh? oh...sorry...didn't mean to repeat myself :)
[21:22] <dominic_> lol
[21:23] <jemark> whirleystar, Module intel: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[21:23] <jemark> 	compiled for <IP_ADDRESS>1, module version = 2.9.0
[21:23] <jemark> 	Module class: X.Org Video Driver
[21:23] <jemark> 	ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 5.0
[21:23] <darthanubis> !flood | jemark
[21:23] <vanishing> hmmm..no updates today?
[21:23] <darthanubis> vanishing, of course not, RC tomorrow
[21:23] <vanishing> oh..
[21:24] <vanishing> no wonder..forgot rc
[21:24] <jemark> vanishing, only pidgin for me...
[21:24] <darthanubis> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule
[21:24] <vanishing> hmmm..karmic development is not that exciting..
[21:25] <vanishing> did not see any major breakage.
[21:25] <whirleystar> jemark: ouch... it looks like have a really old intel module
[21:25] <vanishing> anyone here gonna go straight to lynx development test?
[21:25] <vanishing> after karmic of course.
[21:26] <jemark> whirleystar, http://pastebin.com/d2149b67d
[21:26] <jemark> whirleystar, there you have the full xorg.0.log file ;)
[21:27] <jemark> whirleystar, used the ppa from ubuntu-tweak...
[21:29] <jemark> whirleystar, are you still there? i have to go now.
[21:29] <whirleystar> jemark: yes, looking at tweak now
[21:29] <whirleystar> jemark: thanks for your help
[21:29] <NRVate> vanishing it should't be... kind of down to the wire you could say..
[21:30] <jemark> whirleystar, you're welcome. see you
[21:30] <NRVate> awesome @ rc tommorow.
[21:30] <vanishing> NRVate: i was expecting them to be honest..lol
[21:31] <NRVate> hah
[21:31] <vanishing> NRVate:"them" i meant kreaks..
[21:31] <vanishing> NRVate:are you gonna test lts?
[21:36] <dominic_> Bye
[21:37] <vanishing> bue
[21:37] <vanishing> bye*
[21:53] <NRVate> vanishing: we dont run LTS around here
[21:53] <NRVate> not at my shop atleast, folks in the channel may though
[21:53] <syk> is there a repo for "backports" on karmic?
[21:55] <thiebaude> syk, i have one in my sources
[21:58] <BUGabundo> olá
[21:59] <thiebaude> BUGabundo, salut
[21:59] <BUGabundo> o/ thiebaude
[21:59] <thiebaude> haha
[21:59] <BUGabundo> everyone getting ready for kitten killing release parrties?
[21:59] <thiebaude> BUGabundo, im looking forward to it
[21:59] <BUGabundo> I'll miss all you guys :((
[22:00] <thiebaude> BUGabundo, you'll see us next year,lol
[22:00] <BUGabundo> naaaa
[22:00] <BUGabundo> in 3 weeks :)
[22:00] <BUGabundo> I can't run stable for long
[22:00] <BUGabundo> as soon as toolchain is done
[22:00] <BUGabundo> I'll be here
[22:01] <BUGabundo> distupgrading :)
[22:01] <BUGabundo> _while it hottrrr_
[22:01] <thiebaude> BUGabundo, i've already deployed 9.10
[22:01] <BUGabundo> thiebaude: ?
[22:01] <JesperHansen> thiebaude, a daily image of 9.10 worked. Its booting properly now.
[22:02] <thiebaude> JesperHansen, cool
[22:02] <thiebaude> JesperHansen, im sticking with this daily
[22:03] <JesperHansen> tho I gotta re dl a netbook image. The daily I got was the desktop one
[22:03] <thiebaude> ahh
[22:03] <DummyXL> hellow.. One  question, When I install the rc 9.10, will it be automatic gets the updates of the final version or must I manual Upgrade and add new servers after one week?
[22:03] <dupondje> DummyXL: aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade
[22:03] <dupondje> and tadaa :P
[22:04] <thiebaude> DummyXL, just keep updating it
[22:04] <JesperHansen> the live actually seems pretty careless that I removed the usb stick
[22:04] <DummyXL> ok, thanks... this will not be automatick? to run the final version I have to do that steps?
[22:05] <edgy> Hi, it takes a lot to start kde while gnome works well
[22:05] <dupondje> DummyXL: normally it will prompt
[22:05] <dupondje> when there are updates
[22:06] <ADmiral> Hi, I've got boot problems. On a long-standing install that was upgraded over time all the way from Hardy (I think), I manually added the main Karmic repository and upgraded lots of packages. Afterwards I ran "apt-get dist-upgrade". On restart, the screen won't stop flickering and several weird error messages pop up over time. The most common one is "[some number] hub 6-0:1.0:port 1 disabled by hub (EMI?), re-enabling..."
[22:06] <DummyXL> Ok the servers are the same, so updating is all I have to do than to go from Rc to final 9.10
[22:06] <ADmiral> How can I fix that without a complete reinstall?
[22:07] <dupondje> DummyXL: indeed :)
[22:07] <JesperHansen> hmm, got a link to the daily images?
[22:07] <DummyXL> Thank you...
[22:08] <dupondje> JesperHansen: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[22:08] <dupondje> google is nice
[22:09] <JesperHansen> jesper is lazy
[22:09] <JesperHansen> thx
[22:24] <Dink> Hello, not sure if its here where I need to post this but I am currently running Karmic and something funky is going on. Initially when I logged in compiz.real was eating up all my cpu. I then changed "visual effects" to none and cpu went back to normal. I then looked at where I was logged in and it seems like gdm started on tty1 and not 7. All other tty seem to be unusable.
[22:24] <vanishing> !question
[22:24] <vanishing> oh..im right
[22:24] <vanishing> lol
[22:24] <Heikki123> http://capslockday.com/
[22:25] <AdamDV> Hello, Karmic broke my mouse, on an Acer aspire one.
[22:25] <AdamDV> Internal mouse pad no work.
[22:25] <AdamDV> But, I'll try again after updates and after release ;)
[22:25] <Heikki123> how does it not work?
[22:26] <Dink> I noticed there was a bug posted for the compiz.real eating up cpu portion but was not able to find anything relating to gdm/gnome starting on tty1 and not 7 and making other tty unusable
[22:26] <vanishing> sudo apt-get install gsynaptics
[22:26] <vanishing> and configure your touchpad with it
[22:26] <vanishing> AdamDV
[22:27] <ck773> he is gone
[22:27] <mzz> bah
[22:27] <mzz> I think someone else reported the same thing the other day
[22:28] <mzz> hmm, no, that was an asus eeepc
[22:28] <Type3Singularity> If there's still a bug in the RC there isn't not a whole lot of chance that it will get fixed is there? (unless its major)
[22:28]  * mzz can't tell acer and asus apart
[22:29] <mzz> Type3Singularity: well, the reason for having an rc instead of saying it's final right away is so critical things can still be fixed
[22:29] <mzz> but yeah, it has to be a pretty significant bug, and the bugfix must not be too risky
[22:30] <c4pt> anyone use zeroshell?
[22:31] <mzz> !anyone
[22:31] <c4pt> mzz: that was my real question.
[22:31] <c4pt> mzz does anyone use zeroshell.
[22:32] <Dink> Gdm/gnome starts on tty1 and not 7 ? Also I can not switch to any other tty.  I'd argue you're asking about zeroshell in the wrong place (I just looked up what it actually is)
[22:35] <mzz> c4pt: also, in my experience abusing the helpers tends to stop others from helping you :P
[22:35] <c4pt> mzz yeah but i was wondering if anyone uses zeroshell for a reason . the reason being i am trying to use it with wpa2 enterprise and ubuntu
[22:35] <mzz> ahh, there we go
[22:36] <c4pt> mzz im not trying to abuse you...
[22:36] <mzz> c4pt: so consider asking you actual wpa2-related question, since it's far from certain solving whatever issue you have with that requires others to use zeroshell
[22:36] <mzz> c4pt: "you're a fucking idiot" isn't abuse now?
[22:36]  * mzz gives up
[22:36] <Heikki123> :))
[22:37]  * JesperHansen slaps mzz
[22:39] <rob0> mzz, and your mom dresses you funny!
[22:39] <c4pt> does anyone connect to a wpa2 enterprise like this              router<---zeroshell radius<---client trying to connect
[22:40] <c4pt> i have the trustedCA.pem file for the CA certificate and the right user password and right user name with PEAP but it fails to connect...
[22:42] <c4pt> i see in the zeroshell log  	Ignoring request from unknown client <IP_ADDRESS>:1024               which is me trying to connect.
[22:48] <Travis-42> has anyone noticed the size of their notification bubbles suddenly shrink in one of the updates in the last few days?
[22:49] <BUGabundo> not really
[22:49] <BUGabundo> did them?
[22:49] <Travis-42> well, on my screen they've gotten so small I can't read all the text, but I don't know if it's just me
[22:49] <BluesKaj> hmm , mostly the notification app just crashes on bootup :)
[22:50] <Travis-42> heh
[22:50] <Travis-42> well I guess I'm one step ahead then ;-)
[22:52] <BluesKaj> Travis-42, well, not on my laptop, which I'm on now , but my pc does..dunno why
[22:53] <c4pt> does anyone use wpa2 enterprise on their own lan?
[22:53] <RussellAlan> firefox 3.5.2 is running horribly slow.
[22:54] <Travis-42> it seems that it takes the "application font" setting and makes it even smaller
[22:56] <ADmiral> Re-phrase and retry: When trying to boot Karmic, the screen won't stop flickering and several weird error messages get printed over time. The most common one is "[some number] hub 6-0:1.0:port 1 disabled by hub (EMI?), re-enabling...". How I got here: on my Jaunty, I manually added the main Karmic repository and upgraded lots of packages. There were no show-stopping problems at this point, reboot worked fine. Afterwards I ran "apt-g
[22:57] <dupondje> ADmiral: where does it stop
[22:57] <francis6> where is the karmic daily with graphical installer please
[22:57] <NRVate> "ran apt-" something
[22:57] <NRVate> hah
[22:57] <dupondje> francis6:  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[22:57] <ADmiral> dupondje: I can see the login prompt on the command line terminals but I can't see the graphical login prompt.
[22:58] <dupondje> ADmiral: try to login
[22:58] <dupondje> type startx
[22:58] <dupondje> or /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[22:58] <francis6> dupondje thats the alternate I asked for the graphical
[22:58] <dupondje> and check /var/log/Xorg.log
[22:58] <slacker_nl> lo
[22:58] <ADmiral> dupondje: I've tried logging in, but the keyboard presses are not registered most of the time. This makes it impossible to enter a password.
[22:59] <dupondje> francis6: lol, try looking bigt harder
[22:59] <slacker_nl> dupondje: on karmic it is service gdm start
[22:59] <joaopinto> ADmiral, you did not upgrade using a recommended procedure !
[22:59] <ADmiral> I can still get the logs if there are any, I'm on another install on the same hd right now (an old Gutsy)
[22:59] <francis6> dupondje huh?
[22:59] <dupondje> slacker_nl: /etc/init.d/gdm restart works without problem imo :P
[22:59] <ADmiral> joaopinto: no :(
[22:59] <joaopinto> ADmiral, you upgrade with updadate-manager -d, not with dist-upgrade
[22:59] <slacker_nl> dupondje: you don't get a message telling you to use service <name> start ??
[23:00] <dupondje> joaopinto: update-manager -d just fetches a sources.list for karmic ?
[23:00] <slacker_nl> dupondje: afaik gdm/kdm/xdm is using upstart now
[23:00]  * NRVate isn't too surprised manually hacking in the repos and overlaying packages breaks stuff
[23:00] <joaopinto> dupondje, no, it also handles specific upgrade cases which are not covered by regular package upgrades
[23:00] <NRVate> oh.. upstart.. that's the new fancy login thing?>
[23:00] <ADmiral> dupondje: I don't have a /var/log/Xorg.log
[23:01] <joaopinto> NRVate, no, upstart is a new boot system, not login related
[23:01] <slacker_nl> NRVate: no, the replacement for init.d scripts :)
[23:01] <NRVate> right on
[23:01] <dupondje> Xorg.0.log
[23:01] <dupondje> it seems :p
[23:01] <kaddi> hi, i have a karmic installation, which was running great now upon boot it only says "filesystem check failed. A maintenance shell will now be started. [...] acer-wmi: no or unsupported wmi interface unable to load. "
[23:01] <dupondje> joaopinto: didn't know :)
[23:01] <ADmiral> dupondje: oh, sorry
[23:01] <NRVate> dont mind me, first day testing out karmic.
[23:01] <francis6> dupondje where is the graphical ISO please?
[23:01] <dupondje> anyway, working since Alpha 2 :P
[23:01] <NRVate> yes, im late lol
[23:01] <slacker_nl> dupondje: :)
[23:01] <slacker_nl> dupondje: same time I started using karmic
[23:02] <kaddi> As it used to work I suspect there is somthing broken, can I manually load the acer-wmi in that maintenance shell?
[23:02] <slacker_nl> i think upstart hit the shelves around alpha3/4
[23:02] <dupondje> francis6: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20091020.3/
[23:02] <dupondje> lazy fucker
[23:02] <ADmiral> dupondje: Xorg.0.log Xorg.0.log.old Xorg.1.log Xorg.1.log.old Xorg.20.log Xorg.2.log Xorg.2.log.old Xorg.3.log Xorg.3.log.old Xorg.4.log Xorg.4.log.old Xorg.5.log Xorg.5.log.old Xorg.99.log Xorg.failsafe.log Xorg.failsafe.log.old          which one
[23:02] <dupondje> 0.log
[23:02] <slacker_nl> ADmiral: Xorg.0.log
[23:02] <dupondje> slacker_nl: just hope they will fixed aptitude bug :( Its extremely crap :P
[23:02] <slacker_nl> dupondje: which bug?
[23:02] <hetauma> is any1 having problems installing addons on firefox? got a clean install of 9.10 and can't add any addon on firefox. it takes ages and then it gives a download error -228
[23:03] <dupondje> slacker_nl: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptitude/+bug/391035
[23:03] <slacker_nl> haven't noticed anything weird with aptitude....??
[23:03] <dupondje> slacker_nl: only happens when you have descent screen with good resolution ;)
[23:03] <Ademan> anyone know what importing user accounts does if you're installing over an existing partition, but not formatting?
[23:03] <ADmiral> dupondje, slacker_nl: http://paste.ubuntu.com/298635/ "no screens found"...
[23:04] <ADmiral> maybe some problems with the .conf? How do I get better log messages
[23:04] <slacker_nl> dupondje: ahh, i have seen that behaviour
[23:04] <NRVate> neat, upstart replaces /sbin/init
[23:04] <NRVate> pretty major change there you could say :)
[23:04] <slacker_nl> dupondje: i just hit enter a couple of times and it continues (or ctrl c restart aptitude)
[23:05] <NRVate> http://upstart.ubuntu.com for those who would like to read more ...
[23:05] <dupondje> slacker_nl: true, but it sux. Should be fixed imo :P
[23:05] <slacker_nl> dupondje: i sometimes blame my wireless network too, which drops in speed overtime..
[23:05] <slacker_nl> dupondje: hehe, something I can live with :)
[23:05] <slacker_nl> should be fixed none the less
[23:06] <dupondje> true, but still. If I provide the patch :) they should at least include it :P
[23:06] <slacker_nl> dupondje: make it a debdiff, will be included quicker
[23:06] <slacker_nl> ADmiral: (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module!
[23:07] <slacker_nl> ADmiral: ^^ is your real error
[23:07] <ADmiral> dupondje: oh ^^ so I have to change some driver string to "nv", as far as I remember?
[23:07] <ADmiral> slacker_nl, sorry, meant to talk to you
[23:08] <slacker_nl> ADmiral: i think so, not too familiar with nvidea
[23:08] <dupondje> slacker_nl: maby :) but didn't got real time to do that :) Was happy I found a solution to fix the error. But its prolly not THE solution
[23:08] <slacker_nl> dupondje: i could do it for you, but I want to watch heroes now :)
[23:08] <slacker_nl> or goto bed...
[23:08] <dupondje> :p
[23:08] <dupondje> they just need to notice it, and fix it
[23:08] <dupondje> so yea :D
[23:09] <dupondje> ADmiral: there isn't a Xorg.conf anymore
[23:09] <dupondje> it should be all auto imo
[23:09] <zniavre> good evening : what is this soft (under red arrow) and how to desactivate it please?
[23:09] <slacker_nl> dupondje: /j #ubuntu-motu and ask for someone to pick it up
[23:09] <zniavre> http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/2668/capturepsc.png
[23:09] <dupondje> slacker_nl: its not MOTU imo, its main package
[23:09] <slacker_nl> dupondje: then.. ubuntu-devel
[23:10] <dupondje> slacker_nl: did that :) they asked me to subscribe ubuntu-main-sponsor
[23:10] <dupondje> so I did that :)
[23:10] <slacker_nl> dupondje: motu should be able to help you figure out who to subscribe to implement the diff
[23:10] <kaddi> hi, i have a karmic installation, which was running great now upon boot it only says "filesystem check failed. A maintenance shell will now be started. [...] acer-wmi: no or unsupported wmi interface unable to load. " Any ideas on how to fix that?
[23:10] <ADmiral> dupondje: I still have an /etc/xorg.conf. I've now changed Driver	"nvidia"  to Driver	"nv" and I'm about to reboot. If that doesn't help, I'll move the .conf to a backup location. Is that good?
[23:10] <slacker_nl> dupondje: ahh, you did your job, now sit back, grab a beer and wait :)
[23:11] <dupondje> ADmiral: try moving it, it should work. No xorg.conf here
[23:11] <dupondje> slacker_nl: lets pray :D
[23:11] <slacker_nl> ADmiral: no need to reboot
[23:11] <NRVate> how would acer-wmi be related to a failed FSCK?
[23:11]  * NRVate would guess the acer-wmi error is not at all relevant to the failed FSCK
[23:11] <slacker_nl> ADmiral: just try to start gdm/kdm whatever
[23:11] <kaddi> NRVate: so i should just run fsck?
[23:11] <dupondje> NRVate: not? what device is giving errors ?
[23:11] <ADmiral> slacker_nl: I still need to reboot because the install where I changed the .conf is the one that won't boot and I'm on an old Gutsy :) cya in a few minutes
[23:11] <connex> Hi, I have issues with mpd file permissions.
[23:11] <dupondje> err kaddi  :p
[23:11] <BluesKaj> kaddi run sudo apt-get update at the tty prompt, it should download the fix for that prob, then reboot
[23:12] <slacker_nl> ADmiral: you're running gutsy?
[23:12] <dupondje> gutsy kernel prolly :p
[23:12] <NRVate> I would assume if you fix your filesystem it'd boot.
[23:12] <JesperHansen> yay, the daily netbook image works
[23:12] <NRVate> does the acer-wmi code have _anything_ to do with the storage subsystem?
[23:12] <dupondje> JesperHansen: it should, we are few days left for final :)
[23:13] <JesperHansen> dupondje, the beta didn't work, but I am guessing thats weeks old by now
[23:13] <connex> I can't access any file on my system with the mpd user
[23:13] <dupondje> JesperHansen: beta is like 3 weeks old or so
[23:13] <dupondje> lotsa changed since then
[23:13] <slacker_nl> btw, i've been having some weird messages at boot, unable to mount partions x y and z hit esc to enter some kind of shell, laptop boots and all, with everything mounted
[23:13] <dupondje> surely the installation process
[23:14] <JesperHansen> and the netbook 9.10 stuffs is way nicer than 9.04 netbook version
[23:14] <dupondje> slacker_nl: whats in your fstab ?
[23:15] <slacker_nl> dupondje: very basic
[23:15] <JesperHansen> First of: Nice on the UXA intel acceleration.  I need to install IE to use instead of firefox and I had it installed before with IE7, but it wasn't running right, so I uninstalled it and wine and cleaned out everything related to wine, did a 'locate' in the system
[23:15] <Xgates>  Now I try to install IE6 and it says the setup has detected a newer version of IE installed and can't continue.
[23:15] <Xgates> where would it be seeing this? because I cleaned everything out
[23:16] <dupondje> Xgates: IE ? HELLO ! Go back to windows ? ;)
[23:16] <dupondje> who needs IE ;)
[23:16] <slacker_nl> dupondje: http://pb.opperschaap.net/74
[23:16] <dupondje> btw, you could try wiping /home/<user>/.wine?
[23:16] <slacker_nl> dupondje: aka $HOME/.wine :)
[23:17] <dupondje> ah well ;)
[23:17] <dupondje> slacker_nl: don't see anything wrong :s
[23:17] <dupondje> its strange
[23:17] <slacker_nl> dupondje: neither do i
[23:17] <slacker_nl> but i don't get any messages in dmesg daemon
[23:18] <dupondje> weird
[23:18] <dupondje> anyway
[23:18] <dupondje> i'm going to sleep
[23:18] <dupondje> nite
[23:18] <kaddi> sorry guys, false alarm. bios died on me yesterday. The date was set back 1988 (which I knew, but completely slipped my mind just now). I reset the date and it's now booting and running fsck
[23:19] <JesperHansen> And the space wasting of the netbook 9.04 version is gone in 9.10! yay!
[23:19] <hetauma> is any1 having problems installing addons on firefox? got a clean install of 9.10 and can't add any addon on firefox. it takes ages and then it gives http://pastebin.com/m27643deb
[23:20] <kaddi> have you tried downloading the file first and installing it locally?
[23:20] <JesperHansen> hetauma, seems like you got a very bad mirror?
[23:21] <hetauma> JesperHansen, it happens on every add-on I would try
[23:22] <kaddi> hetauma: have you tried to download and save the file on your PC, before installing it?
[23:22] <hetauma> kaddi, checking this now
[23:22] <JesperHansen> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Unable_to_install_themes_or_extensions_-_Firefox#Download_Error_-228
[23:22] <JesperHansen> hetauma, ^
[23:26] <kaddi> is there an easy command to list all installed kernels, so I know which ones I want to remove? :p
[23:27] <ADmiral> So I've changed my xorg config to use the free nv driver and now Karmic boots just fine! Only one problem remains: There was an error loading some gnome applet called "UserFastSwitch" or something. I got the option to delete it from the configuration and I did. How should I get it back and working?
[23:27] <webm0nk3y> how can i resintall my HP printers that dissapeared with karmic?
[23:28] <foxy_mefisto> kaddi: dpkg --list | grep linux-image
[23:28] <kaddi> thanks :)
[23:31] <JesperHansen> webm0nk3y, if its plug-n-play usb printer, then just plug it in and you're good to print
[23:35] <webm0nk3y> JesperHansen, thanks...it's a network printer but i discovered hp-setup
[23:36] <ha1331> has someone else experienced flash plugin "disapearing". By disapearing I mean that it kind of stops working properly. Only white box appears, no content, right click on mouse does nothing?
[23:36] <ha1331> (firefox)
[23:36] <ha1331> it worked fine earlier today
[23:37] <kaddi> when you type "sudo apt-get remove --purge 2.6.31-5*" does it try to purge all kernels?
[23:38] <kaddi> I just hit that command and it tried to remove everything includeing the latest kernel, which is kinda not what I wanted or expected
[23:39] <qos> hey guys. where can i get older kernels? i am searching 2.6.31-12 for karmic ...
[23:40] <kaddi> subversion perhaps?
[23:40] <qos> no packages?
[23:40] <stpere> what should I include in a bug report about upstart^
[23:40] <stpere> ?*
[23:40] <stpere> my system never close cleanly
[23:40] <mary_> I just upgraded with update-manager -d and if I boot with the splash screen I get a blinking screen and hard drive activity in sync with the blinks and if I boot without splash it dumps me to a tty login and the screen blinks and hard drive activity is the same (looks like it's under heavy load)
[23:40] <stpere> I have to hold power button 4 seconds
[23:41] <qos> mary_, whats about keyboard control?
[23:42] <qos> mary_, behaves normal? or do you have problems while typing?
[23:42]  * mary_ checks
[23:43] <mary_> qos, problems typing
[23:44] <qos> mary_, nvidia gpu?
[23:44] <mary_> qos, yes
[23:44] <GodfatherofEire> How does one change the IP config from the command line?
[23:44] <qos> mary_, seems that we have the same problem ;)
[23:45] <mary_> qos, you still have this problem?
[23:45] <mary_> nvidia gtx 260
[23:45] <OmnipotentEntity> Hello all, after upgrading my sound no longer works.  Any ideas?  00:04.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation CK804 AC'97 Audio Controller (rev a2)
[23:45] <qos> mary_, currently there are 2 things to try. a newer nvidia driver ... ~1.90 or an older kernel ~2.6.31-12
[23:46] <mary_> GodfatherofEire, wrong channel  but here it is anyway. second result in google: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-859179.html
[23:46] <mary_> qos, have you tried newer nvidia driver?
[23:47] <qos> mary_, no ... but i guess i will try this next
[23:47] <GodfatherofEire> mary_ wasnt quite sure if anything mighta changed in 9.10 from 9.04
[23:48] <arand> man, I've been using the terminal too much, I just wrote "tcl --help" into the search bar when looking for the wikipedia entry >_<
[23:48] <mary_> GodfatherofEire, I'm not sure. if that was your question then you should ask that.
[23:48] <kaddi> arand: lol
[23:48] <mary_> GodfatherofEire, is this the newest? http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-859179.html
[23:49] <GodfatherofEire> mary_, I asked because I'm having trouble configuring the IP via Network config
[23:49] <mary_> oops wrong person
[23:49] <mary_> qos, is this the newest? ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/190.32/
[23:49] <Jordan_U> GodfatherofEire: What trouble specifically?
[23:49] <qos> mary_, yes. but you should use an ppa instead of compiling it on your own...
[23:50] <Jordan_U> !envy | mary_
[23:50] <qos> mary_, https://launchpad.net/~nvidia-vdpau/+archive/ppa
[23:50] <qos> mary_, its there, already compiled and packed
[23:50] <GodfatherofEire> Jordan_U, it doesnt allow me to config static IPs, just resets after I "save" the settings
[23:51] <digmore> hi, could someone look at this --> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1296090&highlight=firefox+chromium
[23:52] <qos> mary_, so ... installed. i give it a try ... need to restart for that
[23:52] <Jordan_U> digmore: Are you using a proxy?
[23:52] <mary_> qos, apt-get install nvidia-graphics-drivers-190 ?
[23:53] <digmore> Jordan_U: Not at home. At uni, I am not sure, but I can check
[23:54] <Jordan_U> digmore: Can you pastebin the output of "tracepath google.com" ?
[23:54] <digmore> Jordan_U: I added some extra in my post
[23:55] <mary_> qos, what's the verdict?
[23:56] <digmore> Jordan_U, I am at uni right now. I assume you need me to do "tracepath google.com" at home?
[23:56] <Jordan_U> digmore: Yes
[23:57] <Jordan_U> digmore: Also the output of "route -n"
[23:57] <qos> mary_, hmm ... that didn't work ... i guess i am searching for a new kernel
[23:58] <mary_> qos, I'll try it. If that doesn't work I'll build it myself while you try the kernel


[13:10] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[16:23] <NanduX> Hi guys, is somebody having any issues with the alpha release? Kubuntu, specifically. I want to upgrade to try it out
[16:50] <genii> NanduX: I've been running Saucy for a while now, surprisingly with very few problems. Currently none worth mentioning.
[16:53] <NanduX> ok, thanks genii, I will upgrade now
[18:34] <jaredforthewin> Hello!
[18:36] <jaredforthewin> ....


[05:08]  * RAOF notices Sarvatt's x-x-v-i changes, and goes “Oh! Have they finally released their *two years* of work.”  It has actually been two full years since a non-prerelease xf86-video-intel release was made.
[05:10] <tjaalton> fun
[05:10] <Sarvatt> i went through intel bugs and saw at least 80 bugs that would be fixed by this
[05:11] <RAOF> They might want to give up the fiction that they provide tarballs of xf86-video-intel :)
[05:11] <Sarvatt> i dunno whats up with that, sounds like he doesnt want to release until it fixes every little problem qa comes up with
[05:11] <tjaalton> strange that all the ddx's that actually people use "never" see releases
[05:12] <Sarvatt> at least the prerelease tarballs were useful though
[05:12] <tjaalton> yes
[05:12] <Sarvatt> yeah ati intel etc
[05:12] <tjaalton> nouveau, amdgpu seems to follow the trend too :)
[05:13] <Sarvatt> nothing releases anymore lol
[05:14] <tjaalton> RAOF: i've pushed a mesa snapshot to -experimental, have you checked if the mir patch still applies/works?
[05:14] <RAOF> I have not; I can do that now if you like.
[05:14] <Sarvatt> please please please
[05:14] <tjaalton> hmm there probably is an earlier snapshot in ubuntu+1
[05:15] <tjaalton> I think the patch applies at least
[05:16] <tjaalton> nah
[05:16] <tjaalton> but probably nothing too hard
[05:16] <tjaalton> two hunks failed
[05:16] <Sarvatt> i havent checked either, i just disable the xmir stuff, ugh
[05:16]  * RAOF should really get around to dynamically loading EGL platforms for mesa and upstreaming the Mir one.
[05:16] <tjaalton> I'd probably need to merge experimental to ubuntu+1 first
[05:16] <tjaalton> ohyes
[05:30] <Sarvatt> looks like my llvm-toolchain-3.7 fix to make mesa 4.11 work on i386 doesnt work, ugh
[05:30] <Sarvatt> test suite just dies
[05:32] <Sarvatt> https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+build/7812906 dat 5 hour timeout, at least it doesnt just actually fail to build now
[05:34] <Sarvatt> 11.0 rather
[05:35] <Sarvatt> dunno if i should attribute this to wily being fucked because of the toolchain change or.. its fine in unstable
[05:36] <Sarvatt> just added i686 as an option instead of just i586 that debian uses for i386
[05:41] <tjaalton> asked doko about it?
[05:43] <Sarvatt> debconf/plumbers week, dont want to harass anyone :D
[05:44] <Sarvatt> apparently llvm is desktops problem, weirdly
[10:41] <tjaalton> RAOF: pushed mesa ubuntu+1, includes fixed mir patch that at least builds
[10:51] <tseliot> ricotz: I'm fixing up my 355 branch, and there really is no need to apply buildfix_kernel_3.18.patch . It builds correctly in wily (the nvidia check worked)
[11:04] <ricotz> tseliot, ok, better recheck 346/352 too then
[11:09] <tjaalton> uploaded mesa snapshot to canonical-x-staging..
[11:09] <tjaalton> now intel..
[11:09] <tjaalton> ah Sarvatt did it already
[11:09] <tjaalton> ok, testinngg.
[20:41] <jcastro> ricotz: man, I already have two -1's from the techboard on adding a GUI hook.
[22:39] <mamarley> jcastro: Using the new PPA as staging for backports sounds like a good idea.  I think if we need an additional staging PPA, it would be better to create a new PPA under the graphics-drivers team since I can't upload to xorg-edgers.
[22:43] <jcastro> sure


[01:40] <sethj> popey I see a wiki-editors team was created.
[01:40] <sethj> great!
[01:41] <popey> yeah, and oddly people keep joining, despite them already being in ~ubuntumembers, and thus not needing to
[01:44] <sethj> I noticed xD
[01:44] <sethj> talking to wildman and Thomas in AU chat now
[01:46] <sethj> popey, you might consider putting that in the team description
[06:20] <Kilos> hi dholbach svij ejat and others
[06:21] <ejat> hi Kilos
[06:28] <dholbach> hey Kilos
[06:28] <dholbach> hello everyone else :)
[06:59]  * dholbach relocates to the office, bbiab
[07:13] <MooDoo> morning
[07:16] <ejat> wb dholbach
[07:30] <dholbach> hey ejat
[07:36] <ejat> hey dholbach , how are ya?
[07:39] <dholbach> good good - how about yourself?
[15:00] <dholbach> davidcalle, mhall119, popey: team?
[15:00] <popey> oh, i thought we had it yesterday
[15:01]  * popey joins
[15:59] <dholbach> all right my friends - I call it a day - have a good one everyone!
[16:00] <popey> o/
[16:04] <czajkowski> toodle pip
[20:26] <sethj> oh man, I wanted to talk to dholbach.
[20:26] <sethj> timezones...


[04:06] <kklimonda> hmm.. is the fact that I have to add resume=/dev/sdXY to resume from hibernation related to nouveau in any way?
[04:06] <kklimonda> I have never really had a working hibernation before so I don't know where to look :)
[04:23] <bjsnider> RAOF, what's going on upstream in gstreamer? do they have mkv support and va-api and all that?
[05:27] <RAOF> bjsnider: They've had a matroska demuxer forever; it's been working whenever I've tried it.
[08:13] <hyperair> kklimonda: no it means that your /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume is outdated.
[08:39]  * hyperair wonders if there's a PPA for nouveau for karmic
[08:40] <jcristau> you'd need new X and new kernel.  might as well upgrade everything :p
[08:56] <kklimonda> hyperair, but it's not
[08:56] <hyperair> kklimonda: well that's weird then.
[16:04] <kklimonda> Sarvatt, I just had to REISUB my laptop - the only thing I can find in logs that may be relevant is http://pastebin.com/m49bb99cf
[16:32] <Sarvatt> sheesh you're too quick jcristau, went looking through bug reports to see if we needed to backport http://cgit.freedesktop.org/pixman/commit/?id=cf1f034fef34478c528bedf1e59be443fa72429c but you did the same thing on 23 Aug 2009
[16:38] <jcristau> Sarvatt: that code was too ugly to live :)
[18:25] <jcristau> Sarvatt: i pointed it out to them in http://lists.x.org/pipermail/xorg-devel/2009-May/000899.html btw..
[18:35] <Sarvatt> ubuntu arm would have been all kinds of screwed up without your fix since (most of?) the reference platforms have neon disabled
[18:35] <jcristau> heh
[21:41] <libv> jcristau: "might as well upgrade everything", exactly what's wrong with graphics drivers today
[21:42] <jcristau> hehe
[21:43] <jcristau> i'm not disagreeing
[21:43] <libv> i know ;)
[21:43] <libv> but sometimes i feel like preaching to the choir :)
[21:44] <libv> better than having the bullshit card pulled on you every five seconds :)
[22:04] <Sarvatt> http://paste.ubuntu.com/375749/
[22:04] <Sarvatt> crash pressing enter the first time after booting i'm randomly getting now
[22:05] <jcristau> sigquit?
[22:05] <Sarvatt> doesn't seem to happen with splash disabled
[22:16] <libv> hey, what do you know, the mesa 7.7 dep of libdrm >= 2.4.15 is purely a driver thing. building real nicely with 2.4.1
[22:16]  * libv heads for a debian stable now
[22:17] <jcristau> yeah it's all intel and drm things
[22:18] <jcristau> *intel and radeon
[22:18] <libv> i seem to have a similar thing for dri2proto
[22:18] <libv> lie in the autoconf, and libmesa.a is all happy
[22:21] <libv> but suggest that maybe splitting up libdrm into libdrm and driver specific parts and tracking them differently, and lo and behold the amount of crap you get thrown at you
[23:13] <libv> ye-es, 2.3.1 is just as fine.
[23:20] <libv> and 2.3.0
[23:20] <libv> just like the xserver