[18:03] <Tex_Nick> Scunizi: you might also look @ BIOS to see if it's shown there
[18:04] <nacc> Tex_Nick: good point
[18:04] <ducasse> kshenoy: 'alias="sudo foobar &"' works.
[18:05] <Scunizi> nacc: Tex_Nick thanks .. I'll look
[18:05] <Tex_Nick> :)
[18:16] <arca_vorago> just upgraded virtualbox to 5.20, but now I don't have a view control menu to switch to scaled mode etc... any ideas?
[18:16] <trafel> Anyone know the NSIS error ?
[18:16] <trafel> I keep getting it when I try to run my executable
[18:16] <trafel> but it installs perfectly when I run it with sudo su
[18:16] <trafel> working with wine
[18:16] <arca_vorago> trying to run a windows nsis installer on linux?
[18:16] <trafel> yes, well its an exe file,
[18:16] <trafel> with wine
[18:16] <ikonia> depending on wine just isn't a good solution
[18:16] <ikonia> I sit firmly in the view of "want to use windows applications, use windows"
[18:16] <arca_vorago> ^^
[18:16] <arca_vorago> wine is buggy and full of holes
[18:16] <trafel> I dont really need windows, I'm fine with linux, I only wanted to install one software
[18:16] <ikonia> wine can get you out of an emergency jam, but depending on it is not good
[18:17] <ikonia> trafel: then you do need windows
[18:17] <ikonia> trafel: as you need to install windows software....and it's not working
[18:18] <trafel> I don't have a Windows license
[18:18] <ikonia> trafel: buy one
[18:18] <ikonia> they are very cheap
[18:18] <trafel> But I don't have money
[18:18] <ikonia> I doubt you don't have $20
[18:18] <ikonia> or couldn't save it in a reasonable time
[18:18] <trafel> Food is really expensive in europe
[18:18] <arca_vorago> the real problem is to a windows program you are trying to run in wine, root is the equiv of admin (except root is much more dangerous)
[18:19] <arca_vorago> so if your prog works with sudo, its the functional equiv or running the prog as admin... which windows often requires
[18:19] <ikonia> trafel: I appreciate food is expensive, but lets be real
[18:19] <ikonia> arca_vorago: permissions root/admin has nothing to do with it
[18:19] <arca_vorago> so you said it worked with sudo su, then use that... because you want to run the program. If you are scared of running a windows program with sudo
[18:19] <arca_vorago> then dont do it
[18:19] <arca_vorago> in wine thats not true ikonia
[18:20] <trafel> No its just  that im a lazy ass, and I dont want to see this ugly grub screen everytime I turn my laptop on lol
[18:20] <ikonia> arca_vorago: it is
[18:20] <ikonia> trafel: what has grub got to do with anything ?
[18:20] <trafel> Thats what I did, I just couldnt figure out how to launch the program after it was installed
[18:21] <ikonia> what ??
[18:21] <ikonia> grub boots your OS, not an application
[18:21] <arca_vorago> https://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ#head-96bebfa287b4288974de0df23351f278b0d41014
[18:21] <arca_vorago> ikonia: it seems youare correct
[18:21] <ikonia> arca_vorago: in what way ?
[18:21] <trafel> Yeah I know, you didnt get it, I was talking about the grub OS selection screen
[18:22] <arca_vorago> winefaq says running in sudo won't help, it's a bug, wine is automatically running binaries as "administrator"
[18:22] <ikonia> arca_vorago:....I said permissions have nothing to do with it
[18:22] <arca_vorago> exactly
[18:22] <ikonia> ???
[18:23] <arca_vorago> ikonia: earlier he said sudo su worked,
[18:23] <ikonia> arca_vorago: yeah, but he doesn't really seem to understand what he's doing or saying
[18:23] <arca_vorago> true
[18:23] <ikonia> I suspect that will be more to do with the installer and the xsession it's launched as root not working a user as he's screwed the permission of his xauthoriryt
[18:24] <arca_vorago> back to, don't run windows programs on linux
[18:24] <arca_vorago> trafel: please tell us exactly what you are trying to do
[18:25] <nicomachus> I keep getting an "insufficient permissions for device" error while trying to do 'adb push' and cannot figure out why. target is chmod 775, I tried with sudo, but still no luck.
[18:26] <ikonia> nicomachus: what device ?
[18:26] <trafel> I installed the appliction with sudo su since the default way gave me the NSIS error. It installed fine. But the thing is that it installed in the root/.wine directory wich I cant acces  because it is not mine. Event if I try to run the application located in its programe file folder it does like its running but nothing appears
[18:27] <trafel> with root**
[18:27] <ikonia> trafel: bottom line - use windows
[18:27] <trafel> :$
[18:28] <ikonia> trafel: what is the software you are trying to use ?
[18:28] <trafel> I guess I'll just have to use lmms...
[18:28] <trafel> Fl studio
[18:28] <ikonia> I don't know what FL studio is, sorry
[18:28] <trafel> Its just a music creation software
[18:29] <ikonia> thats even worse as that depends (often) on direct hardware access
[18:32] <ducasse> trafel: if you can afford fl studio you can afford windows.
[18:32] <trafel> true
[18:32] <nicomachus> ikonia: Kindle Fire 1st gen. but I got it... had to kick udev to source the new rule.
[18:32] <nicomachus> flashing CM on it now
[18:33] <ikonia> nicomachus: interesting, I had problems with my first gen kindle too
[18:34] <nicomachus> ikonia: off-topic here, but someone did a rework of the filesystem that makes some newer 6.0-based ROMs go easier. It's called OtterX
[18:34] <ikonia> nicomachus: thank you
[18:40] <desktopIssues> hello there folks
[18:41] <desktopIssues> I have updated my Ubuntu 16.04 LTS
[18:41] <desktopIssues> today and after that it seems to be a problem when visualising the desktop
[18:42] <desktopIssues> I have like a grey rectangle stripe on the far left of the desktop that shifts the desktop to the right
[18:42] <desktopIssues> but the top bar of the menu seems to not be affected by it..
[18:43] <nicomachus> desktopIssues: does it show up on a screenshot?
[18:43] <desktopIssues> I will take one
[18:43] <MonkeyDust> desktopIssues  yes, show a screenshot, it's not clear what you mean ... http://imgur.com/
[18:45] <desktopIssues> Hi MonkeyDust I will produce a screen shot
[18:47] <desktopIssues> MonkeyDust:
[18:47] <desktopIssues> http://imgur.com/1wNb7gQ
[18:47] <desktopIssues> that grey stripe on the left
[18:47] <desktopIssues> it doesn't allow me to drag the window to the left at all
[18:48] <MonkeyDust> desktopIssues  which DE is that?
[18:49] <desktopIssues> Apologies for my ignorance...what do you mean by DE ?
[18:49] <MonkeyDust> DE = desktop environment
[18:49] <desktopIssues> ah.
[18:49] <desktopIssues> it is Lubuntu
[18:49] <desktopIssues> xenial
[18:50] <desktopIssues> 16.04 LTS
[18:50] <MonkeyDust> desktopIssues  ok, i'm sure someone else here is more familiar with lubuntu than i am
[18:51] <desktopIssues> thanks MonkeyDust
[18:51] <desktopIssues> I have tried to reboot and make changes to desktop appearance
[18:51] <desktopIssues> nothing worked
[18:51] <bfig> hello, how can I start an upstart job in a specific directory?
[18:52] <not_available> desktopissues: that doesnt look like lxde to me
[18:53] <not_available> desktopissues: try this for the hell of it: Open System Settings -> Appearance > Behavior tab and enable the Auto Hide
[18:53] <Smn_> so, I installed eclipse directly from the repost but I'm still getting the same error
[18:54] <Smn_> "JVM terminated. Exit code=13"
[18:58] <desktopIssues> sorry not_available I am not able to find the location your suggested place...
[18:58] <desktopIssues> do you mean to look int appearance?
[19:02] <ioria> desktopIssues, can you post a screenshot of the desktop without the chat window ?
[19:02] <desktopIssues> ioria: http://imgur.com/1wNb7gQ
[19:03] <ioria> desktopIssues, 'without the chat window'
[19:03] <MonkeyDust> desktopIssues  minimize all windows, then take a screenshot
[19:03] <desktopIssues> ok
[19:03] <desktopIssues> sorry
[19:04] <TiZ> Hi there. I have some xml backups of a storage pool configuration and a virtual machine domain that I restore using virsh. virsh pool-create pool.xml; virsh create win7.xml. However, they both just disappear on reboot. Is there something I'm forgetting to do to save them? The VM works fine when I restore it this way, it's just that the system forgets about it on reboot.
[19:05] <desktopIssues> MonkeyDust: https://imgur.com/1AhDZQW
[19:05] <MonkeyDust> desktopIssues  don't address me, address the channel
[19:05] <desktopIssues> on the left hand side there is a grey column
[19:05] <ioria> desktopIssues, are you sure it's not a monitor settings issue ?
[19:06] <desktopIssues> I wouldn't think so... It happened after the update
[19:06] <ioria> desktopIssues, 15.10 -> 16.04 ?
[19:06] <desktopIssues> ioria: no just an update
[19:07] <desktopIssues> i had 16.04 already
[19:07] <Smn_> i looked around and the eclipse error *should* be because disparity in architecture between it and java,, but as far as i know they are both 64 bits
[19:08] <ioria> desktopIssues, try the guest account
[19:08] <desktopIssues> ok
[19:09] <desktopIssues> ioria: the guest account had no problem
[19:09] <ioria> desktopIssues, i see
[19:09] <desktopIssues> i wonder if is the theme that has blipped
[19:09] <desktopIssues> I have Laza Dark
[19:09] <ioria> desktopIssues, change it, if you can , to default
[19:10] <desktopIssues> Oh crap!
[19:10] <desktopIssues> ioria:
[19:10] <ioria> desktopIssues, what ?
[19:10] <desktopIssues> I am the dummest of all
[19:10] <desktopIssues> :D
[19:10] <ioria> desktopIssues, tell us
[19:10] <desktopIssues> apologise for your wasted time
[19:11] <desktopIssues> It was a panel that shouldn't be there
[19:11] <desktopIssues> my goodness
[19:11] <desktopIssues> it is all sorted
[19:11] <ioria> desktopIssues, ok
[19:11] <desktopIssues> I feel so dumb
[19:11] <desktopIssues> sorry guys
[19:11] <ioria> desktopIssues, no problem
[19:12] <desktopIssues> thanks a lot anywa
[19:12] <desktopIssues> anyway
[19:12] <ioria> desktopIssues, np
[19:12] <desktopIssues> Laza dark is a great theme
[19:12] <desktopIssues> btw
[19:12] <desktopIssues> cheers
[19:12] <desktopIssues> see you sometime
[19:12] <desktopIssues> ;)
[19:12] <ioria> ok
[19:13] <MacroMan_> After installing lamp-server^, how can I stop apache and mysql from starting at startup?
[19:14] <Guy1524> guys, how do I run a a graphical application as if I were another user
[19:14] <ducasse> MacroMan_: 'systemctl disable apache.service' should work
[19:15] <grnolive> Guy1524: in the terminal, su username, application
[19:15] <ioria> MacroMan_, 14.04 or 16.04 ?
[19:15] <Guy1524> ok
[19:15] <chenwei> hi
[19:16] <MacroMan_> 14.04
[19:16] <chenwei> wow this is coo;
[19:16] <chenwei> cool
[19:16] <MacroMan_> ducasse, Will give it a try thanks
[19:16] <grnolive> chenwei: hello
[19:16] <ioria> MacroMan_, no systemctl then, i think
[19:16] <MacroMan_> ducasse, systemctl: command not found
[19:17] <ioria> MacroMan_, use upstart
[19:17] <ioria> MacroMan_, http://superuser.com/questions/541135/how-do-i-prevent-apache-service-from-auto-starting-on-linux
[19:17] <pilne> hrm, just did a clean reinstall of ubuntu, and installed steam, and i keep getting a dialog box that tells me my binary is out of date and that i need to get it from the official repo, it seems to work just fine for now, is an update inbound for 16.04?
[19:17] <MacroMan_> Should have just googled it first lol. Thanks
[19:32] <chenwei1> how to @ someone in this software,like in twitter
[19:32] <ioria> with his nick ?
[19:32] <chenwei1> yes
[19:32] <ioria> with his nick
[19:32] <ducasse> "@ someone"?
[19:33] <kovacs> @me
[19:33] <chenwei1> let him know that i am talking to him in the channel
[19:33] <ioria> also without @
[19:33] <chenwei1> ioria
[19:33] <chenwei1> @ioria
[19:33] <grnolive> chenwei1: like this
[19:33] <ioria> chenwei1, right
[19:33] <chenwei1> doesn't work
[19:33] <chenwei1> yes!
[19:33] <chenwei1> how!
[19:33] <BluesKaj> no @ needed, chenwei1

[19:34] <chenwei1> BluesKaj
[19:34] <BluesKaj> yup, that works , chenwei1
[19:34] <grnolive> chenwei1: i just type your nick and your client highlights it on your end
[19:35] <WalloAC> help
[19:35] <chenwei1> well that's quite simple
[19:35] <chenwei1> thx!
[19:35] <grnolive> chenwei1: ;) np
[19:35] <chenwei1> :)
[19:36] <grnolive> WalloAC: whats up?
[19:39] <Comnenus> Does anyone know if it is possible in the installer to place an LVM on top of RAID?  I can only figure out how to do one or the other.
[19:40] <ducasse> Comnenus: use the server installer, and it works just fine.
[19:42] <Comnenus> ducasse: Let me try it again.  I figured it was just that I don't know how to use the installer in the way that they want meto.
[19:43] <ducasse> Comnenus: i've done it before, but the installer might have been changed since then. although i can't imagine why they would remove something like that.
[19:43] <Comnenus> ducasse: yeah, it didn't make sense that this simply wouldn't be possible.
[19:45] <ducasse> Comnenus: you might get more/better help in #ubuntu-server, a lot of the devs hang out there.
[19:47] <ioria> Comnenus, a general view , maybe here http://www.gagme.com/greg/linux/raid-lvm.php
[19:47] <ducasse> Comnenus: from what i remember you just configure raid, then build a pv on top of /dev/md0 or whatever.
[19:48] <ioria> Comnenus, or here http://www.slashroot.in/configuring-lvm-top-raid-alternative-way-partitioning-raid-devices
[19:55] <Nico_> Hi
[19:55] <Nico_> My name is nico
[19:55] <Guest27588> Hi
[19:55] <Comnenus> Oohh
[19:55] <Comnenus> Thank you, these should do it.
[19:55] <Comnenus> It's for a data mount so I could just do it after install because the OS is going on a DOM anyway.
[19:56] <Comnenus> I just found it odd...
[19:56] <Comnenus> Oh, separate issue.  It's complaining that it can only use 2 of 4TB.  But I booted into CentOS and it used all 4 just fine, so I assume it's not a hardware thing?  Do I need a boot option in ubuntu to tell it to use EFI or something?
[19:56] <crayon> nice acrticle mhayden
[19:57] <mhayden> thanks, crayon -- the HN attention was a little unexpected
[19:57] <crayon> albeit well deserved
[19:57] <ducasse> Comnenus: use gpt partitioning.
[19:57] <Comnenus> ducasse: parted ?
[19:58] <ducasse> Comnenus: doesn't matter what you use, as long as you get a gpt partition table. i use gdisk.
[20:00] <Comnenus> ducasse: Cool.  Thank you!
[20:06] <Afrotoast> ds
[20:07] <MT0> #ErtugrulTRN
[20:10] <turbokraken> I'm looking to make a ubuntu box a file server and my question is: Is samba the way to go to have an equivalent to "windows shared folders"?
[20:11] <pvsharov> turbokraken: yeah
[20:11] <turbokraken> Okay, thank you. I just wanted to make sure before going that route. Looking to make the home network 100% ubuntu/debian base.
[20:14] <turbokraken> Pvsharov, how did you direct your message directly to me?
[20:15] <pvsharov> turbokraken: What you mean?
[20:16] <nacc> turbokraken: wait, your home network is 100% ubuntu/debian? then you don't need samba
[20:16] <teward> turbokraken: it's called a highlight, and it's as simple as prepending the nickname to the beginning of the line, or by mentioning them in the message you send - it otherwise is not directed to you though, it's sent to the channel :P
[20:16] <nacc> turbokraken: samba is so windows & linux can inter-operate
[20:17] <pvsharov> turbokraken: so you need NFS
[20:17] <turbokraken> teward: Gotcha, Start typing the name then hit tab. That is what I was looking for. =)
[20:17] <turbokraken> nacc: How would you recommend setting up ACLs for a 100% ubuntu network?
[20:18] <turbokraken> nacc: For shared folders that is.
[20:18] <nacc> turbokraken: i think NFS has ACL support
[20:20] <turbokraken> nacc: I will do some reading on that. My goal is to have a shared folders for work and others for personal. I also want to keep my kids out of  certain parts of the personal shares.
[20:21] <EdwardL> Hello. I'm having some fstab network problems. I have an Ubuntu computer with SMB shared folders, and from a Windows computer I
[20:21] <nacc> turbokraken: you may also want to look at cifs
[20:21] <nacc> turbokraken: (cifs-utils package)
[20:22] <nacc> turbokraken: it underlies samba, as well, i guess
[20:22] <alxpa1> Anyone got any fun ideas of projects to learn Ubuntu server stuff
[20:23] <turbokraken> nacc: Okay, thank you.
[20:24] <nacc> turbokraken: http://wiki.linux-nfs.org/wiki/index.php/ACLs also may give you some background and further links
[20:24] <nacc> turbokraken: it might only be really possible with NFSv4, not really sure
[20:25] <alxpa> Anyone got any fun ideas of projects to learn Ubuntu server stuff ?
[20:25] <lickalott> guys, really getting my but kicked on this virt-manager/libvirt/qemu thing.  Anyone have a lot of experience with these?
[20:25] <EdwardL> Hello. I'm having some fstab network problems. I have an Ubuntu computer with SMB shared folders, and from a Windows computer I've been able to gain access without problems. Now I'm setting up fstab in a new Ubuntu computer to mount the old Ubuntu shares and the Window's shared folder, but when I try to access the Ubuntu share things hang.
[20:26] <nacc> alxpa: what do you want to learn about? also, maybe #ubuntu-server
[20:26] <nacc> lickalott: what is your issue?
[20:26] <alxpa> Umm. Just Linux essentials really and also I want some practical tools to add to my server
[20:26] <alxpa> Nacc
[20:27] <nacc> alxpa: read the Ubuntu serverguide, maybe?
[20:27] <nacc> alxpa: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/
[20:27] <alxpa> nacc: thanks
[20:29] <lickalott> sorry fell offline.  if you said anything after I responded i missed it nacc
[20:29] <nacc> lickalott: what is your issue?
[20:29] <alxpa> Nacc what are the most useful tools / programs you can run off a Linux server
 had a god win7 vm, accidentially deleted it.  Tried to make a new one and it hangs at the windows logo/load everytime
[20:30] <nacc> alxpa: feel free to ask that in #ubuntu-offtopic or elsewhere, that's not a support question. "useful"ness depends on what you need your server for.
[20:31] <nacc> lickalott: http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/Windows7Install ?
[20:32] <sean___> ubuntu server is practicly headless ubuntu as far as i can tell but i really havn't experimented with it much so hwo knows
[20:32] <alxpa> Nacc. Ah ok. Thanks, c u around
[20:33] <nacc> sean___: yes and no. many servers don't have a graphics display. But that isn't a requirement or anything.
[20:33] <nacc> sean___: they are really just different default base installations from the same set of packages
[20:35] <jhenke> Hi, I want to request a SRU for #1585928, the bug is prepared, on #ubuntu-bug there is sadly no one replying in 5 days
[20:37] <lickalott> negative nacc.  it starts to build the qcow (you can see it working in the virt-manager window and I ran a while loop (ls -lrt) on the .qcow2 file and saw it increase) then it just stops/hangs.  But it's always at the point when the windows logo sits there and pulses.
[20:38] <alxpa> Is there an ls for users?
[20:39] <alxpa> So I can list all users on my server
[20:39] <guntbert> alxpa: getent passwd
[20:40] <alxpa> guntbert: it didn't work
[20:40] <alxpa> Oops yes it did
[20:40] <alxpa> guntbert: thanks
[20:41] <guntbert> alxpa: You're welcome
[20:42] <alxpa> There is so many I don't recognise guntbert:
[20:43] <tgm4883> alxpa: there will be, as that lists all users (including system users and service accounts)
[20:43] <lickalott> nacc, in your opinon what is the best tut to install kvm, libvirt, qemu, and virt-manager?  I'm going to remove and start over.
[20:43] <lickalott> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM/Installation
[20:46] <alxpa> What's a SOCKS proxy
[20:47] <K350> alxpa: a proxy that keeps yoru feets warm  :-)
[20:48] <Admin__> hi
[20:48] <Admin__> I recall it was possible ot install ubuntu as a windows app
[20:48] <Admin__> is it still possible
[20:49] <K350> Admin__: no tsure..are you referign to  Wubi ?
[20:49] <Admin__> K350, I don't know the name
[20:49] <K350> O rmaybe something liek JCygwin?
[20:50] <Admin__> K350, I just remember doing it many years ago, it installed as x86 app, and then allowed to uninstall or go full install
[20:50] <K350> Admin__: Wubi will install ubuntu on a virtual disc  (in a folder). But you have to reboot. You can't start it from within Windowse
[20:50] <Admin__> K350, does it come with normal ubuntu iso?
[20:51] <K350> Admin__: Cygwin is something you cna run from inside Windows. But it's not  ubuntu...it gives you loads of linux tools that you cna run under windows
[20:51] <Admin__> I know cygwin console, must be wubi
[20:51] <K350> Admin__: I think Wubi offers severla ubutu distros
[20:52] <Admin__> I'm looking to get XEN hypervisor running on a windows machine, is it feasible to use wubi to deploy ubuntu and then xen?
[20:53] <K350> Admin__: Yea, I guess so.
[20:54] <Admin__> did wubi get discontinued?
[20:54] <K350> Admin__: But I honsely don't know if Wubi is still around
[20:54] <K350> You coudl also try to run Ubuntu on a USB
[20:54] <Pici> wubie does not work on modern versions of Windows, and most of us here didn't like it when it did.  It can be very difficult to troubleshoot issues with it.
[20:55] <enoch85> I have a strange issue... recently I got a message that my host was down, so I checked, and it was down... I run dual stack IPv4 and IPv6, it all worked fine just until some hours ago when IPv4 stopped working. I run the IPv4 stack behind a NGINX reverse proxy becuase I only have one IP and running a online proxy trying to reach my domain, I got a 502 bad gateway...After some troubleshooting I found that I could ping the host from nginx during a
[20:55] <enoch85> reboot but that the ping stopped just around when apache got loaded... I have no clue where to continue to troubleshoot this... any help please?
[20:56] <Admin__> how big usb necessary?
[20:57]  * K350 bblAdI don't know..but if you have a 4 or 8 GB I think it'll be fine
[20:57]  * K350 bbl
[20:58] <Admin__> thanks
[20:59] <labeeb> is it possible to install ubuntu touch on huawei honor holly?
[21:00] <alxpa> How do I uninstall something I just apt-get installed??
[21:01] <alxpa> I accidentally installed something through ssh instead if to my local computer...
[21:03] <alxpa> Also I'm getting authentication failure on my laptop when I type su
[21:05] <lickalott> nacc, is there a log i could provide to give you some idea of whats happening?
[21:06] <Nobgul> alxpa: apt-get remove
[21:08] <Eburitus> when does 16.06 officially be released?
[21:08] <cihhan> hi all! can i create an additional partition without having an empty partition? such as on top of a partition?
[21:09] <xangua> Eburitus: year/month
[21:09] <cihhan> normally it is possible for swap as far as i know, but for another partition is it possible?
[21:09] <alxpa> Cheers Nobgul:
[21:09] <Nobgul> No worries
[21:09] <xangua> 16.06 doesn't exist also
[21:10] <Nobgul> cihhan, you should be able to shrink a current partition then create one. BACKUP FIRST
[21:10] <Eburitus> xangua: yes but thing is that i have a broken installation of 16.06 and would like to have a working installation so I'm kind of waiting very much.
[21:11] <xangua> Eburitus: there is no 16.06
[21:11] <cihhan> Nobgul, the problem is i have only one partition as LVM and I am using VM on a cloud
[21:11] <Eburitus> oh. so it was 16.04 :D
[21:11] <cihhan> Nobgul, I couldnt find a way to shrink it without having a live cd :(
[21:11] <Nobgul> put it into rescure mode?
[21:11] <Nobgul> rescue
[21:11] <Nobgul> backup first
[21:11] <Eburitus> Nobgul: but for some reason it doesn't get network working so i can't update packages.
[21:12] <cihhan> Nobgul, I only have SSH access to the VM
[21:12] <erebel55> I am running a service via a systemd script. What is the normal way of logging the service? journalctl? or is there some way to let the executable handle the logging?
[21:12] <Nobgul> Im sorry Eburitus i was speaking to cihhan
[21:12] <Nobgul> cihhan: ouch
[21:13] <Eburitus> my installation media boots correctly and gets connection to net, so if I would make a fresh installation and update pacakages from internet while installing, would I get propably working installation?
[21:13] <cihhan> Nobgul, I found a couple of blogs talking how to do it online but they didnt work out unfortunately
[21:14] <Nobgul> Eburitus: In theory yes. but
[21:14] <Eburitus> Nobgul: but?
[21:14] <Nobgul> why dont you have net now?
[21:14] <Nobgul> Will the same thing happen again... Install and then have no net..
[21:15] <Nobgul> And whats broken about your install other then having no net.
[21:15] <Eburitus> Nobgul: for some reason my 16.04 installation doesn't boot correctly (too early installation) and rescue mode doesn't get working net for some reason. i haven'
[21:15] <Eburitus> t tested all kernels available but it just doesn't boot up correctly
[21:15] <Eburitus> and network doesn't work except with installation media.
[21:16] <Eburitus> the installation is just messed up.
[21:16] <Nobgul> And was this a fresh install, so no data will be lost?
[21:16] <Eburitus> yes it's fresh but there is many kernels @ /boot because i tried to install over old installation which I messed.
[21:17] <Eburitus> i messed it by trying too early 16.04 which didn't work or boot.
[21:17] <Nobgul> I would then just get a live cd and format the fdrive and go for it again
[21:17] <Eburitus> so now i'm thinking of making new installation with same installation media and update packages from internet while making installation
[21:18] <Nobgul> I havent had ubuntu not have working net at boot in years.
[21:18] <Eburitus> Nobgul: i have live dvd but this is that early version.
[21:18] <Nobgul> you can do that.
[21:18] <Nobgul> very early version?
[21:18] <Eburitus> too early. but net should work.
[21:21] <Comnenus> Now mdadm --create says that the resource is busy.  Only thing I can find is that people remove dmraid and it works, but dmraid was never on here to begin with.
[21:22] <nacc> lickalott: i don't know anything about running windows in kvm, sorry
[21:22] <EdwardL> http://askubuntu.com/questions/785473/fstab-trying-to-access-smb-share-hangs
[21:24] <nacc> jhenke: someone has to do the actual backport
[21:26] <lickalott> ok.  Thanks nacc.  THink i'm just gonna bite the bullet and install virtual box (bleehhhh)
[21:26] <labeeb> anyone here to help?
[21:26] <teward> !anyone | labeeb
[21:26] <teward> boo we used to have something
[21:26] <teward> labeeb: Instead of asking if anyone is here to help, just ask your question to the channel in general
[21:26] <teward> and have patience for someone to reply to you
[21:26] <tgm4883> !help | labeeb
[21:26] <tgm4883> teward: I think we use that now
[21:27] <sadlee> I'm here but whether I can help depends on what the question is, so I'm not sure is the best I can say
[21:27] <teward> tgm4883: cool
[21:27] <tgm4883> I'm here, but I'm moving a some computers around so I'll be in and out
[21:28] <tgm4883> Which is why it's always better to just ask the question :)
[21:28] <DArqueBishop> lickalott: crazy suggestion, but try changing the display of the VM from "default" to "cirrus", if it isn't already.
[21:28] <labeeb_> can anyone help me about ubuntu touch installation on android
[21:28] <Bashing-om> Me here too .. and I bounce around a lot .. see what is if interest to me .
[21:29] <labeeb_> anyone???
[21:29] <labeeb_> can anyone help me about ubuntu touch installation on android
[21:29] <Bashing-om> !touch | labeeb_ Might be quicker in:
[21:30] <labeeb_> thanx
[21:31] <sadlee> There seems to be achannel called #ubuntu-touch labeeb
[21:31] <lickalott> DArqueBishop, i only see Spice Server options and they are only Type and Address; Spice and Hypervisor Default respectively
[21:32] <sadlee> And it looks pretty busy labeeb
[21:32] <DArqueBishop> lickalott: I'm sorry, I meant Video.
[21:33] <alxpa> Is there a way to screenshot a server ?
[21:34] <alxpa> And output it to my web facing folder
[21:34] <alxpa> Via ssh
[21:34] <k1l> "screenshot a server"?
[21:34] <alxpa> The terminal
[21:34] <alxpa> k1l:
[21:35] <alxpa> Or am I being stupid
[21:35] <tgm4883> alxpa: what are you trying to accomplish?
[21:35] <k1l> usually you use text on cli, and not pictures/gui
[21:35] <tgm4883> alxpa: I mean, you would be screenshoting text, which seems silly
[21:36] <lickalott> DArqueBishop, !!!!!  I EFFIN love you man!!!!
[21:36] <alxpa> Well I mainly want to output what I can see in terminal tgm4883
[21:36] <k1l> alxpa: i dont know what your usecase is. but i would suggest to put text into a file and transfer the file if needed
[21:36] <alxpa> So when I use tree I want to be able to save it to a file
[21:36] <tgm4883> alxpa: have you tried 'tree > filename'
[21:36] <k1l> alxpa: "command > textfile"
[21:36] <alxpa> But tree > tree doesn't worm
[21:36] <alxpa> Work
[21:36] <DArqueBishop> lickalott: glad I could help.
[21:36] <alxpa> It looks like gobbledeegook
[21:37] <abhishek> hi guys
[21:37] <abhishek> Is there an easier way to automatic update than this http://askubuntu.com/a/172527/417607?
[21:37] <abhishek> I am using kubuntu 16.04
[21:38] <tgm4883> abhishek: easier? That's like 5 minutes of work...
[21:38] <alxpa> k1l , tgm4883: it doesn't keep the cool lines that tree has, it makes them into weird characters
[21:38] <k1l> alxpa: ">" takes the output from the command (what you would see in the terminal) and will redirect it to the textfile.
[21:38] <lickalott> DArqueBishop, can you give me the "science" behind that??  It was set to QXL or the like.   Why is cirrus better?
[21:39] <tgm4883> alxpa: IDK, "tree > tree" works fine for me
[21:39] <abhishek> tgm4883, I meant cleaner
[21:39] <nacc> alxpa: works fine here ...
[21:39] <DArqueBishop> lickalott: I actually can't, other than apparently it's a bug. I found the solution while doing a quick Google search.
[21:39] <tgm4883> abhishek: what do you mean cleaner?
[21:39] <DArqueBishop> I'd give more info, but I'm actually late for leaving work. Sorry. :-)
[21:39] <abhishek> tgm4883,  Not Editing config files.
[21:39] <lickalott> thanks again bro!
[21:41] <nacc> alxpa: are you using a non-standard locale or anything? does `tree` itself display properly?
[21:41] <tgm4883> abhishek: IMO, editing config files is better than a GUI.
[21:41] <Admin__> I'm confused https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Xen
[21:41] <alxpa> Nacc tree displays fine in terminal
[21:41] <alxpa> I sent you a pm
[21:41] <Admin__> does it require installing full ubuntu?
[21:41] <tgm4883> abhishek: but to answer your question, no
[21:42] <tgm4883> Admin__: You would need Ubuntu server at least
[21:42] <nacc> !pm | alxpa
[21:42] <nacc> alxpa: but in any case, i'm not sure, i'd assume something funky with the shell or locales
[21:42] <Admin__> tgm4883, I've got ubnutu 16.04 LTS
[21:42] <tgm4883> Admin__: that would be fine
[21:43] <nacc> Admin__: what is your confusion? xen is just a hypervisor solution
[21:43] <Admin__> tgm4883, but I only want to install dom0, not full ubuntu
[21:43] <abhishek> tgm4883, okay thanks.
[21:43] <Admin__> can it be both?
[21:43] <alxpa> Sorry nacc I didn't want to link my site to everyone here
[21:44] <tgm4883> Admin__: I'm not sure what you're asking. You'll need an underlying OS for the hypervisor, which in this case would be Ubuntu.
[21:44] <nacc> Admin__: afaict, it's just a package you'd install on top of Ubuntu
[21:45] <Admin__> tgm4883, the xen wiki says the hypervisor is only a very small piece of code, and doesn't require a full Os
[21:45] <EdwardL> abhishek: Whether you do it by hand or with a GUI, config files are always edited.
[21:47] <tgm4883> Admin__: where does it say that?
[21:47] <Admin__> tgm4883, nvm; I've cleared confusion
[21:48] <Admin__> xen is tiny, but getting it from a distro means getting the full distro installed first
[21:48] <abhishek> EdwardL, sure.
[21:48] <k1l> Admin__: well, you can have a minimal OS running xen. you dont need a full desktop with printing drivers etc. but you still need a running OS.
[21:48] <tgm4883> Admin__: xen is tiny, but you still need to run it on something...
[21:49] <abhishek> it was old answer, so I thought there maybe other ways now EdwardL
[21:49] <alxpa> I worked it out nacc and tgm4883: I used tree --charset=ASCII > tree
[21:50] <Admin__> tgm4883, I thought the whole point of a baremetal is it runs on hw directly
[21:50] <k1l> Admin__: that would mean XEN beeing an own os. but it isnt.
[21:51] <tgm4883> k1l: I see where he's getting that
[21:51] <tgm4883> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypervisor#Classification
[21:52] <Admin__> tgm4883, right
[21:52] <tgm4883> Admin__: but if that's what you want to do, you're in the wrong channel for that
[21:53] <tgm4883> Admin__: you might want to try ##XEN
[21:53] <Admin__> tgm4883, I need to get packages from somewhere
[21:54] <tgm4883> Admin__: well then you install Ubuntu and then you install XEN
[21:54] <k1l> Admin__: if you want xen as baremetal, then you need ##xen
[21:54] <tgm4883> and it leverages the kernel KVM stuff to make it a type 1 hypervisor
[21:55] <abhishek> Have been stuck at this since long any solutions folks? http://askubuntu.com/q/785338/417607
[21:55] <abhishek> ^making microphone work in skype
[21:55] <tgm4883> k1l: Admin__ I've not used xen, but I find this interesting "As of Ubuntu 14.04, GRUB will automatically choose to boot Xen first if Xen is installed. If you're running a version of Ubuntu before 14.04, you'll have to modify GRUB to default booting to Xen; see below for details."
[21:56] <Admin__> tgm4883, so doing a normal ubuntu install and XEN, will automatically run XEN as t1?
[21:57] <tgm4883> Admin__: according to all of the documentation I just read, yes
[21:58] <Admin__> does xen allow switching VM's on the fly?
[21:58] <tgm4883> Admin__: what do you mean?
[21:59] <Admin__> running several VM's concurrently
[21:59] <Admin__> and switching between them
[21:59] <tgm4883> Admin__: uh, I would hope so. WTH would be the point of it if it could only run one VM at a time?
[21:59] <nacc> does any hypervisor not allow that?
[21:59] <nacc> Admin__: what do you mean by 'switching'?
[22:00] <nacc> Admin__: do you mean overcommit? so each VM is as big as the whole system?
[22:00]  * tgm4883 continues installing Ubuntu server
[22:00] <tgm4883> oh, hostname time
[22:00] <Admin__> nacc, okay to be clear: I want to run a t1 hypervisor on a laptop, so i can run multiple OS's concurrently
[22:01] <tgm4883> Admin__: ok hold up
[22:01] <nacc> Admin__: that all seems like a solution so far -- what's your actual goal eventuallY?
[22:01] <abhishek> is anybody using skype in kubuntu 16.04 with mic?
[22:01] <tgm4883> Admin__: Do you plan on using this laptop too? Or is this laptop just sitting in a closet somewhere?
[22:01] <Admin__> tgm4883, correct
[22:02] <tgm4883> Admin__: correct? That's literally two opposite things I just said
[22:02] <Admin__> tgm4883, I plan on using the VM OS running on the laptop
[22:02] <Admin__> not using the laptop as a server
[22:02] <Admin__> but going t1 to avoid wasting resources on a host
[22:02] <tgm4883> Admin__: ok, so you plan on using the laptop to access the VMs running on the laptop?
[22:02] <g105b> I have customised Ubuntu in a VirtualBox install. Is there any way to "save" or "snapshot" this state and create a new installer for distribution?
[22:03] <Admin__> tgm4883, yes
[22:03] <tgm4883> Admin__: ok, you are way overcomplicating things then
[22:03] <Admin__> tgm4883, do you know nxtop
[22:03] <tgm4883> what about it?
[22:03] <Admin__> it allowed this
[22:04] <tgm4883> allowed what?
[22:04] <Admin__> I think they called it local hypersivor?
[22:05] <de-facto> what would be the fastest way to clone a linux vps to a new vps? install target, boot from cd, nuke fs, rsync source fs over blank target fs and adjust uuids in fstab?
[22:05] <Admin__> basically, it installs a thin OS to manage VMs and run them locally and switch between any running VM or the management OS
[22:05] <tgm4883> Admin__: so install nxtop then?
[22:06] <tgm4883> Admin__: out of curriosity, what OSs do you plan to install as the VMs?
[22:06] <Admin__> tgm4883, it was acquired by citrix, turned into xen client and discontinued
[22:07] <Admin__> tgm4883, win and linux
[22:08] <tgm4883> Admin__: Ok, so why don't you just try installing it and see what happens then? Honestly, I'd just use the kernel built in KVM stuff and https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/libvirt.html
[22:08] <sadlee> I once tried to understand how Virtualisation actually works and found it headachingly complicated. Luckily using it is much simpler :)
[22:09] <OerHeks> yeah KVM + 1, why invent the wheel again ..
[22:09] <nacc> Admin__: i agree, just use KVM  -- I don't think you actually 'need' Xen for anything you've described so far
[22:10] <Admin__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Y2eClEy7jU
[22:12] <tgm4883> Admin__: awesome a video. Neat. You could have installed it all and have been testing it in the time it's taken us to get to this point
[22:12] <txjeb> hello?
[22:12] <txjeb> extreme newb with problem.. hep me
[22:13] <bekks> !ask | txjeb
[22:13] <txjeb> Indeed I shall
[22:13] <Admin__> tgm4883, why would you use KVM instead of XEN?
[22:14] <txjeb> Software updater is failing to download repository.  multiple errors... as follows  W:Target Sources (main/source/Sources) is configured multiple times in /etc/apt/sources.list:2 and /etc/apt/sources.list:7, W:Target Sources (restricted/source/Sources) is configured multiple times in /etc/apt/sources.list:2 and /etc/apt/sources.list:7, W:The repository 'cdrom://Ubuntu-GNOME 16.04 LTS _Xenial Xerus_ - Release amd64 (20160421) xenial
[22:14] <txjeb> Release' does not have a Release file., W:Data from such a repository can't be authenticated and is therefore potentially dangerous to use., W:See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details., W:http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/dists/stable/Release.gpg: Signature by key 4CCA1EAF950CEE4AB83976DCA040830F7FAC5991 uses weak digest algorithm (SHA1), W:http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/dists/stable/
[22:14] <txjeb> Release.gpg: Signature by key 3B068FB4789ABE4AEFA3BB491397BC53640DB551 uses weak digest algorithm (SHA1), E:Failed to fetch cdrom://Ubuntu-GNOME 16.04 LTS _Xenial Xerus_ - Release amd64 (20160421)/dists/xenial/main/binary-amd64/Packages  Please use apt-cdrom to make this CD-ROM recognized by APT. apt-get update cannot be used to add new CD-ROMs, E:Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[22:14] <bekks> !pastebin | txjeb
[22:16] <txjeb> http://paste.ubuntu.com/17189314/
[22:16] <bekks> txjeb: Please pastebin the output as you get it from the commands you are running, including line breaks.
[22:17] <txjeb> bekks im not running any commands this is software updater failing
[22:17] <bekks> txjeb: So please copy&paste the output as you get it, including line breaks.
[22:17] <txjeb> I did
[22:18] <nacc> those are all warnings, except the cdrom one
[22:18] <nacc> and the cdrom one, just don't use a cdrom source unless you need to...
[22:18] <k1l> txjeb: "sudo apt update | nc termbin.com 9999"
[22:20] <txjeb> k1l: is that changing my mirror?
[22:20] <de-facto> txjeb maybe remove duplicates and contact third party repository maintainers about their weak security algos (i.e. poke google to fix it) https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Apt/Sha1Removal
[22:21] <k1l> txjeb: no, that will just upload the output to a pastebin so we can have that output in a proper way when you show us the url.
[22:23] <txjeb> so the goog cant fix they stuff.  nice
[22:23] <OerHeks> didn't google update that ppa entry?
[22:23] <OerHeks> 7 may i remember?
[22:23] <OerHeks> https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!msg/chrome/oqnwWyiAvWg/dELICOdXBQAJ
[22:23] <OerHeks> ppa-purge and reinstall again
[22:23] <k1l> OerHeks: no. they updated it but that didnt fix it
[22:28] <OerHeks> i hope it will be fixed before my 15,10 runs out of update-petrol
[22:28] <k1l> i really dont know why it takes so long. the PPAs and ubuntu repos were fixed by a script in one night.
[22:30] <txjeb> I was looking for an excuse to go back to firefox.  Wish they hadnt barfed opera
[22:30] <g105b> I have just installed the MinimalCD, because I want to try installing soemthing like gnome-session-flashback to get Ubuntu without the bloat - but upon booting, there seems to be no GUI installed. What packages/config do I need to boot into a GUI and have gnome-session-flashback as my desktop environment?
[22:31] <k1l> g105b: you need to install a dm. like "lightdm"
[22:32] <g105b> k1l: ah I see, didn't make the connection there. Thanks.
[22:32] <OerHeks> i would go for --no-install-recommends
[22:33] <OerHeks> but then again, that few bytes you save ..
[22:33] <Bashing-om> g105b: With a minimal install .. that is what you have . You " build your own " .. now for a GUI .. you must install the foundations to support it . for starters ' sudo apt install xorg '
[22:33] <g105b> Bashing-om: I had installed xinit, is that different?
[22:35] <Bashing-om> g105b: Yeah very different . XCorg is that layer the X runs in . whilr xinit is but a config file .
[22:35] <Bashing-om> xorg*
[22:35] <g105b> Bashing-om: ok I might have to stick around here as I simply don't know enough to be doing what I'm doing :)
[22:37] <g105b> Once I have configured the MinimalCD to my liking, how should I build my own distribution?
[22:37] <Bashing-om> g105b: Here is 1 tutorial .. while I hunt you up a couple more : http://xubuntu.org/news/introducing-xubuntu-core/ .
[22:37] <artei> hello
[22:39] <ilikecoocnuts> does anybody knows why did they remove the support for AMD on the new LTS ubuntu?
[22:39] <Bashing-om> g105b: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/minimal ; https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LowMemorySystems ; https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall . That should get ya started .. if not confused .
[22:39] <g105b> Thanks Bashing-om I'll read them now.
[22:39] <k1l> ilikecoocnuts: amd stops making fglrx. amd doesnt support the latest xorg version with fglrx. so ubuntu cant do anything.
[22:40] <ilikecoocnuts> so its beyond the "teams" control
[22:40] <ilikecoocnuts> right?
[22:40] <k1l> ilikecoocnuts: amd now supports the amd_gpu kernel driver instead of fglrx. but that seems not to support all cards and all features like fglrx.
[22:40] <Bashing-om> ilikecoocnuts: Cause AMD is throwing all their support to open source at this time as we requested .
[22:41] <k1l> ilikecoocnuts: its closed source drivers. so go and ask amd why they do such things. you can use the open source radeon driver.
[22:43] <isomorphismes> /sbin/ldconfig.real: /usr/local/lib/libstdc++.so.6.0.21-gdb.py is not an ELF file - it has the wrong magic bytes at the start.
[22:43] <isomorphismes> ^^ I've googled this error message and the top SO answer says it's not really a problem
[22:44] <isomorphismes> but when I try to build R from source I keep getting other weird gcc errors, so looking into it again
[22:45] <ZeZu> wtf is w these notices,  i'm thinking this one is even more retarded than the last?
[22:46] <k1l> ZeZu: they are trolls. just dont give them the attention they want.
[22:46] <ZeZu> kindof what i figured
[22:47] <Loshki> isomorphismes: show them the pastebin you showed me
[22:53] <isomorphismes> http://ix.io/Rbi thanks Loshki
[22:53] <maria> google
[23:01] <Loshki> isomorphismes: I found this: http://tinycorelinux.net/7.x/x86/release/src/toolchain/compile_tc7_x86. Looking through, it's seems that the .py files are startup scripts for various apps e.g. in this example gdb. Are you willing/able to try and reinstall your toolchain?
[23:05] <gear4> oh I'm unbanned
[23:05] <gear4> yay
[23:11] <cihhan> anybody using ubuntu 16 server on virtualbox? i cant make bridge networking get an ip... nat works fine though... any ideas?
[23:12] <cihhan> i have ubuntu 12 and it works without any problems
[23:12] <OerHeks> check the virtualbox settings in your host
[23:12] <BrianBro> I have a question
[23:13] <cihhan> OerHeks, I have the same conf of Ubuntu 12
[23:14] <OerHeks> cihhan, likely you don't. have that. it is 2 parts, the virtualbox settings itself, and your server-vm. start with the vbox.
[23:15] <OerHeks> nat and bridge are set in vbox AFAIK
[23:15] <cihhan> OerHeks, yes they are from vbox and the configurations are the same but anyways, thanks
[23:16] <OerHeks> so it was not. fool me ..
[23:17] <Bashing-om> !ask | BrianBro
[23:40] <h82or8> where do i find a list of amd graphics chipsets are are being tested (older) for future inclusion to the radeon driver (not a list of those already included)?
[23:40] <lerner> annoying game: angry drunken dwarfs: loud intro music, so I clicked to close it, but it wont close. I located the process in htop and f9 to close it, it wont close...
[23:40] <lerner> how do I close it?
[23:40] <lerner> I opened another instance on the cli under "angrydd"
[23:41] <lerner> this one closed with ctrl+c
[23:42] <neon> hello
[23:45] <pngl> Hi, I'm testing a remote (with a USB dongle) and evtest is showing me 2 devices for this remote. Some buttons register when watching 1 device, some when watching the other, and some buttons never register! Should I assume the buttons which never register are broken? What should I look into?
[23:48] <BrianBro> do I need to register this channel to be heard??
[23:48] <OerHeks> BrianBro, nope
[23:48] <BrianBro> Ok thanks
[23:48] <OerHeks> just ask, wait and see :-)
[23:49] <BrianBro> got cha
[23:49] <Bashing-om> pngl: Does ' xev ' reveal anything ?
[23:49] <pngl> Bashing-om: I don't have an X system running.
[23:51] <Bashing-om> pngl: Sure there is a way to see the events .. but off hand I know of no other .
[23:52] <nacc> evtest is the typical other way
[23:54] <stickybranches> Hello, any problems?
[23:55] <OerHeks> stickybranches, plenty .. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[23:55] <stickybranches> Haha! Good one!
[23:56] <OerHeks> i like the incomplete section, lots of trash but also golden clues


[06:34] <alkisg> tjaalton: hello, regarding https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1625540, would it be possible for a user to self-build xserver-xorg-video-sis in 16.04 with a simple apt-get source, debuild; or would it also involve fixing a whole lot of incompatibilities with the newer xservers?
[06:34] <alkisg> Are there any chances of success with a plain apt-get source/debuild?
[09:11] <tjaalton> alkisg: sure
[09:12] <tjaalton> oh
[09:12] <tjaalton> not for that gpu
[09:12] <alkisg> tjaalton: thanks, I'll probably need it in a few schools here...
[09:12] <alkisg> (like, 500 schools :()
[09:12] <tjaalton> create a ppa, put it there
[09:12] <alkisg> They have some onboard sis, pentium 4's
[09:12] <tjaalton> maybe that's old enough
[09:13] <tjaalton> newer SiS were never supported
[09:13] <alkisg> It worked in the patched 12.04 package
[09:14] <alkisg> (the one that initially had the segfaults, and then was fixed)
[09:14] <alkisg> ty tjaalton, you give me hope :D
[09:16] <alkisg> tjaalton: would I need to rebuild it on every xorg update, within the 16.04.1 cycle? Or just on point updates, like 16.04.2 etc?
[09:17] <tjaalton> you have no reason to use point-releases
[09:17] <tjaalton> on obsolete hw
[09:17] <alkisg> True, but they have mixed-client labs, and they're all netbooted from a single image
[09:17] <tjaalton> so use .1
[09:18] <alkisg> But my main question is, if a xorg security update or something comes out, will I need to rebuild xserver-xorg-video-sis to match?
[09:18] <tjaalton> no
[09:18] <alkisg> Cool
[09:19] <tjaalton> you probably need at least 0.18.0 from upstream
[09:19] <tjaalton> which has build-fixes for 1.18
[09:19] <tjaalton> 0.17 from trusty doesn't build
[09:19] <tjaalton> 0.19 is for 1.19
[09:19] <tjaalton> with a single commit
[09:19] <tjaalton> no, two commits
[09:20] <alkisg> Ah, ok, thank you, that should save me quite some time in debugging the build :D
[09:21] <alkisg> (the bad thing when booting from a single image, is that you have those -sis clients, and also skylake clients, and it's difficult to find one release that supports both of them...)
[09:21] <alkisg> 14.04.1 supports -sis, and I think skylake is supported from 14.04.3 onwards or something...
[09:22] <tjaalton> right
[09:22] <tjaalton> understood
[09:22] <tjaalton> so if you want to use 16.04.2 with -hwe-16.04 stack then you'd need to modify the source and rename it to x-x-v-sis-hwe-16.04 or sth
[09:23] <alkisg> No no I'll stick with 16.04.1
[09:23] <alkisg> If some school needs > 16.04.1 for newer hardware, and also has -sis, I'll tell them to exchange the old clients with some other school :D
[16:08] <tjaalton> ricotz: can you add me to the gfx team? I'd upload mesa 13.0.4 for xenial
[16:09] <tjaalton> tseliot: or you
[16:09] <tseliot> tjaalton: sure
[16:09] <ricotz> tjaalton, 13.0.4?
[16:09] <ricotz> I would expect 17.0.0~rc3 ;)
[16:09] <tseliot> tjaalton: done
[16:10] <ricotz> tjaalton, please give some more info on what you want to upload
[16:10] <tjaalton> ricotz: all the build-deps
[16:10] <tjaalton> 13 is ready now
[16:10] <tjaalton> 17 isn't even in zesty yet
[16:10] <ricotz> I assume wayland, llvm, libdrm, ...
[16:10] <tjaalton> it just needs libdrm and llvm-3.9
[16:10] <tjaalton> tseliot: thanks!
[16:10] <tseliot> wait a second, though, isn't the PPA just for binary drivers?
[16:10] <ricotz> tseliot, isnt wayland 1.11 required?
[16:11] <tseliot> ricotz, tjaalton: maybe support for wayland can be disabled
[16:11] <ricotz> tseliot, no
[16:11] <tjaalton> tseliot: the description should be changed
[16:11] <tseliot> oh
[16:12] <tseliot> tjaalton: so what's the difference between edgers and this PPA?
[16:13] <tjaalton> this is not edgers
[16:13] <tseliot> I think the idea was to make binary drivers available without having to pull in anything else
[16:13] <tseliot> (e.g. mesa or X)
[16:13] <ricotz> exactly
[16:13] <tseliot> tjaalton: so what's the purpose of the upload?
[16:14] <ricotz> although mesa and libdrm will be update unconditionally afaik
[16:14] <ricotz> so not hwe package renames anymore
[16:14] <tjaalton> the team name is too generic then if it's just for nvidia
[16:14] <tjaalton> :)
[16:14] <tseliot> true
[16:15] <tseliot> with fglrx gone, it's just nvidia now
[16:15] <ricotz> tjaalton, point me to the things you want to copy, and I can take a look
[16:15] <ricotz> preferred are proper version suffixes to indicate their origin
[16:16] <tjaalton> ricotz: https://launchpad.net/~canonical-x/+archive/ubuntu/x-staging/+packages
[16:16] <ricotz> xedgers can be called prerelease currently ;)
[16:17] <tjaalton> I can happily create a ppa under canonical-x too and call that official
[16:17] <tjaalton> just for mesa
[16:17] <mamarley> tjaalton: I noticed that in canonical-x/x-staging you are working on getting Mesa to use glvnd.  Are we going to make the NVIDIA binaries work with that too?
[16:17] <tjaalton> mamarley: eventually
[16:18] <mamarley> In Zesty, or at some point after that?
[16:18] <tjaalton> compiz crashes within a minute of idling, so it's not going in zesty anytime soon
[16:18] <ricotz> tjaalton, currently I would be more comfortable with ppa:graphics-drivers/mesa
[16:18] <tjaalton> ricotz: then it would need to carry vulkan as well?
[16:19] <ricotz> tjaalton, vulkan is already in since nvidia requires i
[16:19] <ricotz> t
[16:19] <tjaalton> you didn't answer my question ;)
[16:20] <ricotz> tjaalton, carry where?
[16:20] <tjaalton> mesa ppa
[16:20] <tjaalton> or would both need to be enabled
[16:21] <ricotz> tjaalton, all those different builds are a pita
[16:21] <ricotz> also those different version schemes :\
[16:22] <tjaalton> easily fixed
[16:22] <tjaalton> jorge is not here..
[16:22] <tjaalton> we've been discussing mesa with feral and paulo
[16:22] <ricotz> and you want this for xenial only?
[16:22] <tjaalton> no
[16:22] <ricotz> good
[16:23] <ricotz> so xenial and later
[16:23] <ricotz> or even trusty?
[16:23] <tjaalton> no way
[16:24] <ricotz> ok
[16:25] <ricotz> might be good to stage all of this in a separate ppa which proper versioning?
[16:25] <tjaalton> there would be a separate beta ppa for "oibaf" mesa
[16:26] <tjaalton> these are not beta versions though
[16:26] <tjaalton> and so far anyone using this are on nvidia
[16:26] <ricotz> yeah, like mesa in edgers now
[16:27] <ricotz> don't ignore optimus/prime users
[16:27] <tjaalton> nothing changes there
[16:27] <ricotz> huh?
[16:28] <tjaalton> how do you stage nvidia releases? in edgers?
[16:28] <ricotz> intel gpu would be driven by mesa, no?
[16:28] <tjaalton> sure
[16:28] <ricotz> in private ppas
[16:28] <ricotz> and/or local builds
[16:29] <ricotz> nvidia doesnt consist of multiple source packages ;)
[16:29] <ricotz> ok, so better have a separate staging ppa for get those packages aligned and built?
[16:30] <ricotz> bbl
[17:34] <tjaalton> oh, padoka ppa mesa has an epoch..
[17:45] <tjaalton> ricotz: beta ppa is fine
[18:11] <Sarvatt> tjaalton: was the -backports idea a no go?
[18:17] <tjaalton> Sarvatt: no, but it's harder to use than a ppa
[18:17] <tjaalton> and more paperwork
[18:18] <tjaalton> harder for the user I mean
[18:33] <tjaalton> ricotz: actually, these don't need a staging ppa. they've already been tested. I'd upload llvm first
[18:34] <tjaalton> 3.9.1-3ubuntu1~gpu16.04.1, a proper version number too
[18:35] <tjaalton> hmm not that
[18:35] <tjaalton> -4u1
[18:37] <ricotz> tjaalton, ok, better -0u0~ and pass -V3.9.1 for llvm?
[18:37] <tjaalton> why -0u0 if the packaging is based on newer?
[18:38] <tjaalton> -0u0 says nothing
[18:38] <ricotz> to avoid possible conflicts with archive uploads or the like
[18:38] <tjaalton> ~ already means it's older
[18:39] <ricotz> I know, although the versioning of some archive uploads can be a mess ;)
[18:39] <tjaalton> there won't be llvm-3.9 in xenial
[18:40] <ricotz> just to be sure it won't override any future official uploads
[18:40] <tjaalton> sorry but I don't agree :)
[18:40] <ricotz> really, I though mesa 13/17 will land in xenial at some point?
[18:40] <ricotz> thought
[18:41] <tjaalton> they will
[18:41] <ricotz> llvm-4.0
[18:41] <tjaalton> llvm-4.0 is a separate source
[18:41] <tjaalton> mesa 13 won't
[18:41] <ricotz> I know, so there must be some official llvm backport?
[18:42] <tjaalton> yes and it's based on the latest version
[18:42] <tjaalton> once it's backported
[18:42] <ricotz> you are making it hard to understand
[18:43] <tjaalton> zesty has 1:4.0~+rc1-1 right now
[18:44] <tjaalton> it'll have 4.0.1 or something when 17.04 is released
[18:44] <tjaalton> say, 4.0.1-1ubuntu1
[18:45] <ricotz> ok, so why not use llvm-4.0 already?
[18:45] <tjaalton> that will be officially backported as -1ubuntu1~16.04.1
[18:45] <tjaalton> eh
[18:45] <tjaalton> mesa 13 doesn't work with it
[18:45] <tjaalton> llvm-3.9 doesn't upgrade to -4.0
[18:46] <ricotz> ok, so use mesa 17? which will be released this week?
[18:46] <tjaalton> no
[18:46] <tjaalton> I thought you were concerned about forcing a new mesa to folks using this ppa ;)
[18:47] <tjaalton> I wanted to give stable mesa 13
[18:47] <tjaalton> now
[18:47] <ricotz> I am, still is seems weird not to use/test what will actually be backported in the end
[18:47] <tjaalton> once it's at .1 or something
[18:47] <tjaalton> it's not even in zesty yet
[18:48] <tjaalton> and the mir egl patch is being worked on, I'm not allowed to touch it before it lands
[18:48] <tjaalton> well, I won't touch it before..
[18:48] <ricotz> I see
[18:48] <ricotz> why is this mir patch not upstreamed?
[18:49] <tjaalton> because it was not ready
[18:49] <tjaalton> apparently it will be after this
[18:49] <tjaalton> still waiting for new xmir..
[18:49] <tjaalton> for two months now
[18:50] <tjaalton> which is why xserver 1.19 isn't in zesty yet, and which will block any libglvnd work from happening in the archive
[18:51] <ricotz> hmm, ok
[18:51] <tjaalton> anyway, llvm versions; I'm the one doing official backports
[18:51] <tjaalton> so you can count on having proper versioning there
[18:52] <tjaalton> same goes for libclc, libdrm, mesa
[18:52] <ricotz> alright, use numbers instead of release-names ;)
[18:52] <tjaalton> yeah that's for sure
[18:52] <tjaalton> needed for hwe-16.04 too, because release names won't sort anymore, after zesty
[18:53] <ricotz> exactly
[18:53] <tjaalton> 1:3.9.1-4ubuntu1~gpu16.04.1
[18:54] <tjaalton> -4u1 is in zesty-proposed, fixes some regression on radeonsi
[18:54] <ricotz> how will the archive version look like for xenial?
[18:54] <tjaalton> hmm
[18:54] <tjaalton> well, in this case there won't be any
[18:54] <tjaalton> but you're right
[18:54] <ricotz> 0u0 is useful!
[18:54] <tjaalton> it'd be ~16.04.1
[18:54] <tjaalton> hehe
[18:55] <tjaalton> ~0gpu
[18:55] <tjaalton> :P
[18:55] <ricotz> no
[18:55] <ricotz> "llvm-toolchain-4.0 - 1:4.0~+rc1-0ubuntu0~xedgers16.04.1"
[18:56] <ricotz> better do it like that
[18:56] <tjaalton> loses too much informatino
[18:56] <tjaalton> -on
[18:56] <ricotz> as I said create the package with -V...
[18:56] <tjaalton> you're putting "gpu" in the wrong place! :)
[18:56] <tjaalton> -V does what?
[18:57] <ricotz> to include previous changelog entries in the dsc/changes
[18:57] <ricotz> which will then appear on launchpad as well
[18:57] <tjaalton> you mean -v?
[18:57] <tjaalton> for debuild at least
[18:57] <ricotz> yeah
[19:00] <ricotz> "backportpackage" would append "~ubuntuXX.XX.1" too afaik
[19:01] <tjaalton> oh right
[19:01] <tjaalton> actually it would be -4ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[19:01] <tjaalton> if zesty had -4 it would be -4~ubuntu16.04.1
[19:01] <ricotz> I don't think so
[19:01] <tjaalton> err
[19:02] <tjaalton> -4~ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[19:02] <tjaalton> I've done those
[19:02] <ricotz> anyway, the version in the ppa *must* be lower than any possible official upload
[19:02] <ricotz> this is getting cumbersome
[19:03] <tjaalton> yes, unlike padoka :)
[19:03] <tjaalton> it's unfortunate you chose to version them like that
[19:03] <ricotz> things like that are really bad
[19:04] <tjaalton> -4ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> was wrong of course
[19:05] <mamarley> Lots of people don't seem to understand the difference between -, ~, and + in those version numbers.
[19:06] <tjaalton> dpkg --compare-versions is your fried
[19:06] <tjaalton> uh, friend
[19:08] <tjaalton> ~16.04.1~gpu1 would solve it
[19:10] <tjaalton> or just ~16.04~gpu1


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[05:04] <tachibana> hi
[05:46] <Unit193> tachibana: Howdy.
[06:15] <jay38748> some burned cds I have cant be read by lubuntu.
[06:15] <jay38748> lubuntu just shows up chinese language icons, it does not show any wav, mp3 or doc files on the cds
[06:16] <jay38748> the cds were burned under windows 7
[06:27] <netrobyatmobile> Hello
[06:27] <netrobyatmobile> Any lubuntu developer online?
[06:27] <netrobyatmobile> Today lxterminal add very impressive feature, add setting options for default windows size
[06:27] <netrobyatmobile> https://github.com/lxde/lxterminal
[06:28] <netrobyatmobile> The commit here: https://github.com/lxde/lxterminal/commit/06509bc0e1b266aadd7e483e6edb1f559667295d
[06:28] <netrobyatmobile> is it possible to getting delivered to ubuntu deb repository?
[07:02] <ianorlin> um the git version would depend on the lubuntu daily ppa
[07:02] <ianorlin> I think this was techincally possible maybe before in openbox
[07:02] <ianorlin> netrobyatmobile: ^^
[07:04] <netrobyatmobile> I am using lubuntu 15.10, and tested it .
[07:04] <netrobyatmobile> looks very well
[07:07] <Unit193> Patches like that don't usually get backported, you'd have to wait for 1604 if the next lxterminal is released by then.
[07:09]  * netrobyatmobile I hate the linux worlds. slow software update period. :X
[07:10] <Unit193> Kind of crazy to backport all new git features/commits, though.
[16:01] <mohsen-rashidi> hi. new lubuntu user here. looking for layout switching applet
[18:00] <Langley> Help, I want to set VLC as default for mkv but it doesn't show up in neither the Open With list or the LXSession list thing
[18:01] <Langley> Oh wait now it actually does
[18:01] <Langley> Nevermind then!
[19:01] <Langley> What do I use for taking screenshots in lubuntu
[19:04] <leszek> Langley: scrot I would assume. Its a command line app basically saving into home by default
[19:04] <Scaniatrucker> Langley: You can use scrot
[19:06] <redwolf> usually the print screen key runs scrot
[19:06] <redwolf> and it leaves a picture in your home folder
[19:07] <Langley> That's kinda unituative... oh well thanks
[19:08] <wxl> well that's how windows works, Langley :)
[19:08] <Langley> What windows?
[19:08] <wxl> well windows xp anmd everything before it
[19:09] <Langley> Why are you bringing windows up when I am running linux
[19:09] <redwolf> as an example, I guess :)
[19:09] <wxl> i'm saying that the notion of using the print screen key to make a screenshot is not uncommon
[19:09] <wxl> so intuitive or not, it's fairly "normal"
[19:10] <wxl> what would you think intuitive would be?
[19:11] <Langley> An addition of a camera sound, flash, or some effect that doesn't require you to magically know something has happened
[19:11] <wxl> but how would you know print screen works to begin with?
[19:12] <Langley> From its name
[19:12] <wxl> ok so that's intuitive, you just need some sort of notification
[19:12] <wxl> we'll give it some consideration but i can't think of anything that does that except mobile devices
[19:13] <Langley> I've tried other distros that comes up with a Save As box
[19:15] <redwolf> that happens using gnome-screenshot, it opens a dialog. and it's not only Ubuntu-Gnome who uses it
[19:15] <redwolf> Lubuntu's solution is straight forward
[19:16] <wxl> actually looking at the scrot manpage, there's an option to prevent beepnig, which implies beeping is the default
[19:16] <Langley> Only if you knows it exists in the first place. Why not just pop a little "Screenshot saved to Home folder" notification box in the corner
[19:17] <redwolf> I think everybody knows the use of the prtscr key
[19:17] <redwolf> I still remember using it in MS-DOS
[19:17] <wxl> redwolf: can you confirm the beep?
[19:17] <redwolf> I have no beeper :D
[19:18] <wxl> redwolf: so scrot does not beep for you or you have no way to hear a beep?
[19:18] <redwolf> I think it can't
[19:18] <redwolf> I planned to do a modification, so you could hear a real camera sound while pressing the key
[19:18] <wxl> huh i don't hear it here
[19:18] <redwolf> I might post that "trick" to the blog
[19:19] <wxl> well that might be useful
[19:19] <wxl> Langley: watch the lubuntu blog for your solution XD
[19:21] <redwolf> but I didn't do yet! :D
[19:27] <Langley> Anyways for how long with 15.10 get security updates
[19:27] <wxl> should be listed in the release notes, Langley
[19:42] <mijowh> hello. why is it that in synaptics when i mark firefox for removal it wants to remove lubuntu-desktop? do i need lubuntu-desktop?
[19:43] <redwolf> because lubuntu-desktop is a metapackage that includes the browser too
[19:43] <mijowh> so its unnecessary?
[19:43] <redwolf> you don't really need it, just be careful when removing it, so other dependencies don't go away too
[19:44] <mijowh> thats what i thought but i dont want to break anything
[19:44] <redwolf> yes, you can keep the lubuntu-core and the additional apps and packages
[19:44] <redwolf> but I don't recommend removing it
[19:44] <mijowh> ok, thank you
[19:44] <mijowh> then how do i remove firefox
[19:44] <redwolf> you're welcome :)
[19:44] <redwolf> it's the only way, removing firefox will remove lubuntu-desktop too
[19:44] <redwolf> or you can simply keep it and add another one
[19:45] <mijowh> alright, thanks for clearing that up
[19:45] <redwolf> :)


[17:43] <pleia2> bkerensa: what should we tell dholbach re: docs docs for the community site?
[17:44] <pleia2> (for now I just left a note in the etherpad saying the rewrite is in progress)
[17:45] <bkerensa> pleia2: I think we just need to let them know its being re-written and that should be done hopefully next month schedule providing
[17:45] <bkerensa> I have been swamped since UDS :s
[17:45] <bkerensa> In fact I have to go teach a Xubuntu class shortly or I would be working on it now
[17:47] <pleia2> enjoy :)
[17:48] <bkerensa> pleia2: well hopefully the attendees know its not a windows troubleshooting class this time
[17:48]  * bkerensa facepalm
[17:48] <bkerensa> Seniors come in... then I see them.... My face goes :s
[17:48] <bkerensa> and I realize they are not here for Linux
[17:48] <bkerensa> :)
[17:55] <pleia2> some might be! :)


[15:33] <Apex_Strider> Hey guys, I need some help please.
[15:48] <TheLordOfTime> Apex_Strider, with?
[15:48] <TheLordOfTime> (usually asking your question rather than asking for help gets you better results)
[15:50] <Apex_Strider> Sorry, I'm not exactly an Ubuntu wizz! I just have an issue with my sources.list. Can't get updates. I  read that I might be able to post my list here, and someone may be able to help.
[15:51] <TheLordOfTime> Apex_Strider, you may want #ubuntu
[15:51] <TheLordOfTime> and when you get to #Ubuntu pastebin your sources.list
[15:51] <TheLordOfTime> and give information about your release (which Ubuntu you're on, etc.)
[15:51] <Apex_Strider> Oh, okay. I'll try that. Thanks!
[15:52] <TheLordOfTime> Apex_Strider, also pastebin the error(s) you're seeing with apt-get or whatever you use to update (sudo apt-get update | pastebinit   <-- that in the terminal = awesome)
[15:52] <TheLordOfTime> (assuming you have pastebinit, which you probably don't)
[15:52] <TheLordOfTime> Apex_Strider, just /join #ubuntu   and you'll be there :)
[15:53] <Apex_Strider> Not sure about the Pastebinit
[15:53] <Apex_Strider> I'm on 12.04
[15:53] <TheLordOfTime> Apex_Strider, just go to #ubuntu and ask for help :P
[15:53] <Apex_Strider> Will do...
[15:53] <TheLordOfTime> since #launchpad isn't directly Ubuntu support :)
[15:53] <Apex_Strider> Ah, gotcha! ;-)
[16:46] <\n> hi, I need help. my launchpad username is nyuszika7h - I've forgot my password and the e-mail address I registered with doesn't exist anymore. is there any way to recover my account?
[16:51] <maxb> A @gmail.com address doesn't exist? How come?
[16:53] <maxb> \n: ^
[16:54] <TheLordOfTime> maxb, it could've been purged.
[16:54] <TheLordOfTime> google purges accounts after a while
[16:54] <TheLordOfTime> and also sometimeis kills google accounts if they've received abuse reports
[16:55]  * TheLordOfTime has had it happen twice
[16:55] <TheLordOfTime> both times they reversed it.
[16:55] <TheLordOfTime> :P
[16:55] <maxb> Huh, google's smtp server certainly says it doesn't exist.
[16:55] <TheLordOfTime> which supports the theory google removed the account
[16:55] <maxb> I guess the simplest thing to try first would be to see if you can re-register it :-)
[16:56] <TheLordOfTime> Eeeyup.
[16:56] <TheLordOfTime> ...
[16:56] <TheLordOfTime> the next time my girlfriend modifies my autocomplete to change "Yep" to 'Eeeyup'...  i swear...
[16:57] <maxb> heh :-)
[16:59] <\n> maxb: I deleted the account
[16:59] <maxb> The gmail account?
[16:59] <\n> yes
[16:59] <\n> I created a new one, and I use a google apps one as my primary now
[16:59] <TheLordOfTime> should've changed your email first.
[16:59] <TheLordOfTime> \n, at least temporarily rereg.
[16:59] <TheLordOfTime> and then delete the account when you're done, after you change your email in LP?
[16:59] <TheLordOfTime> actually about that
[16:59] <maxb> Will google allow you to re-register the old address? If so, that's definitely the quickest way to get this sorted out.
[16:59] <TheLordOfTime> maxb, good question
[16:59] <\n> I'll try
[17:00] <maxb> When changing your address, you'll need to separately change it in both Launchpad and in Ubuntu SSO
[17:00] <\n> Someone already has that username. Try another?
[17:00] <maxb> Ubuntu SSO confusingly masquerades as login.launchpad.net, but is NOT part of Launchpad
[17:00] <\n> won't let me re-register
[17:01] <maxb> \n: OK, I think you're probably stuck needing to ask for administrator intervention then
[17:01] <\n> hm
[17:01] <\n> This account was deleted 19 days ago. You can attempt to restore it by selecting one of your recovery methods below.
[17:02] <\n> Internal Error
[17:02] <\n> If you want to try again, please start the recovery process from the beginning.
[17:02] <\n> meh
[17:03] <czajkowski> \n: for SSO stuff you will need to ask for help in #canonical-isd but it's still holidays for many canonical folks till tomorrow. so you are better off filling in https://forms.canonical.com/sso-support/
[17:03] <\n> ok
[17:03] <maxb> You'll probably need to prove your identity somehow - signing something with the PGP key attached to the Launchpad account in question might be a good way to do it
[17:03] <\n> hmm
[17:04] <\n> I'm not sure did I attach the new key to it
[17:04] <\n> I seem to have two keys, one for the old address
[17:04] <\n> so probably
[17:04] <czajkowski> they'' work with you to resolve it, could be details of when you created the account, anything you did with the ac etc
[17:06] <maxb> Oh, I see that PGP key is revoked, I guess some sort of alternative method will be necessary
[17:06] <\n> it's revoked?
[17:06] <maxb> http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?search=0x7D3C68F16E9CF4F564522564B66865933B0308D8&op=index
[17:06] <\n> I thought I attached another one
[17:06] <maxb> I only see one PGP key mentioned on https://launchpad.net/~nyuszika7h
[17:07] <\n> I have an old one in my keyring here
[17:07] <\n> pub   2048R/0x5FD879696A9D469C 2011-07-29
[17:07] <\n> uid                            nyuszika7h<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:07] <\n> sub   2048R/0xBB0A2566C6FC64DA 2011-07-29
[17:07] <\n> I also have the revoked key, not sure if that helps
[17:07] <maxb> I think you'll have to file a request and see what SSO Support suggest.
[17:08] <maxb> Launchpad accounts can be merged, so you might like to just create a new one for now.
[17:10] <\n> I'll use "icecreamsandwich" as the ID for the new account, for now :3
[21:16] <exarkun> Hello.  I wonder how to change the "reply to" settings of a mailing list hosted on Launchpad.
[21:19] <lifeless> exarkun: There is no facility to do so.
[21:19] <lifeless> exarkun: if you're talking about the munge-reply-to antifeature of mailman
[21:20] <exarkun> Can I ask a Launchpad admin to do it?
[21:20] <lifeless> No
[21:20] <exarkun> :(
[21:20] <lifeless> its not that its privileged
[21:20] <lifeless> its that there is no facility to do it at all
[21:21] <lifeless> LP generates the settings
[21:21] <lifeless> and sets that to the non-munging setting
[21:23] <lifeless> exarkun: so you'd need a patch, which would need some justification [is it worth carrying the complexity [in terms of support cost, both end user and code maintenance]]
[21:24] <exarkun> How do I quantify "worth"?
[21:25] <exarkun> If I said "I absolutely hate the current mailing list setting", is that a justification?
[21:25] <exarkun> (I would suppose not)
[21:25] <lifeless> its certainly first hand data
[21:25] <lifeless> but it doesn't tell LP devs much about what ratio of users also hate it
[21:26] <lifeless> exarkun: Out of interest, why do you hate it ?
[21:26] <exarkun> I don't know anything about that ratio, so I can't tell them anything about it.
[21:27] <exarkun> I'm subscribed to the mailing list.  The mailing list software can deliver messages to me.  I don't need to get duplicate copies from other people who are replying to things.  I can change settings about messages delivered from the mailing list (like enable digest delivery, disable delivery entirely, etc); I have no such control over messages sent directly from other posters to me.


[02:07] <bkerensa> valorie: I have a question for you
[02:08] <bkerensa> valorie: Considering the CoC and Leader CoC.... How does that apply to our lives outside of Ubuntu? For instance I participate on atleast on channel that uses "Adult Language"  (A Reddit channel) and I'm just wondering if the CoC's prohibit me from engaging in the norm of a irc channel that is mostly NSFW or whether I need to self-censor my discussion
[06:00] <valorie> bkerensa: as long as you aren't representing yourself as an Ubuntu Member, leader of the LoCo, etc.
[06:00] <valorie> wouldn't have anything to do with it, IMO
[06:00] <valorie> that question has come up before, and that is what I've gleaned from the discussions
[06:06] <bkerensa> valorie: Well the problem is people know who I am and I pointed this out I think to pleia2 so they associate me automatically as a Ubuntu Member and Lead
[06:06] <bkerensa> and I said I cant help it if people I associate with know who I am so does the CoC apply and she said yeah in that case
[06:06] <bkerensa> =/
[06:09] <valorie> that's a bit dicey indeed
[06:09] <valorie> I know of a person who had membership revoked
[06:09] <valorie> it was on a "non" ubuntu site, but was an ubuntu *fan* site
[06:10] <valorie> sexist stuff over and over, in spite of warnings
[06:11] <valorie> I guess if you can't take off the ubuntu hat, then you have to remember that you are wearing it
[06:15] <bkerensa> yeah
[07:06]  * valorie is gonna sign out -- Colin is making long island ice teas
[07:06] <valorie> :-)
[07:25] <bkerensa> lol
[07:25] <bkerensa> :)


[07:08] <ypwong> nudtrobert, https://launchpad.net/ubuntukylin/+milestone/vivid-beta1
[07:09] <ypwong> jzheng ^^
[07:09] <jzheng> ypwong, got it
[07:09] <jzheng> ypwong, I have opened it
[07:09] <nudtrobert> ok, opened