[04:08] <travisbickkle> Does anyone know how I can save memory? I barely have anything running and it says I have 33mb free?
[04:09] <tonyyarusso> travisbickkle: how much do you have total?
[04:09] <travisbickkle> it says 503 total 465 used
[04:09] <travisbickkle> python is at the top of my list in memory usage in the process manager
[04:09] <tonyyarusso> travisbickkle: What's python running?  Exaile?
[04:10] <tonyyarusso> travisbickkle: also, how big is your swap?
[04:10] <travisbickkle> I don't know. I have checkgmail running in the background, nm-applet, ipodder, and pidgin
[04:10] <travisbickkle> how do i find the size of my swap?
[04:10] <tonyyarusso> df -h will work I think
[04:11] <tonyyarusso> maybe not...
[04:11] <tonyyarusso> free -m works
[04:12] <travisbickkle> which one is swap
[04:12] <travisbickkle> cached?
[04:12] <travisbickkle> oh swap
[04:12] <travisbickkle> 258 total
[04:12] <travisbickkle> 32 used
[04:12] <travisbickkle> 225 free
[04:12] <tonyyarusso> okay, that's fine.
[04:13] <tonyyarusso> well, two notes: You can use tools such as sysv-rc-conf (cli) or BUM (gtk) to manage what services are started at boot time.  For instance, you could disable the bluetooth daemon if you don't have any bluetooth devices.  This will help some.
[04:14] <tonyyarusso> 2) Linux tries to keep your RAM full.  This is due to the fact that it is faster to access RAM than anything else.  Therefore, it may look like it's being used more than you think it should, or might have been used to with Windows.  This is normal.
[04:14] <travisbickkle> I ran Bum but barely anything is in the list
[04:14] <travisbickkle> just gdm usplash and apport
[04:14] <tonyyarusso> Really you only need to worry about it if you see degraded performance, not just from the output of system resource stuff.
[04:15] <tonyyarusso> travisbickkle: really?  I wonder if bum doesn't list all - I would think there was more
[04:15] <travisbickkle> Yeah thats why I'm looking it up because my firefox is getting slow and using like 250 ram or so
[04:15] <tonyyarusso> sysv-rc-conf shows like 40 items on my system
[04:16] <travisbickkle> how do i check sysv-rc-conf?
[04:17] <tonyyarusso> install the package and run the command of that name
[04:17] <travisbickkle> oh ok
[04:20] <travisbickkle> Wow I do have a lot running i guess
[04:22] <frog> how do I end a non responsive program?
[04:30] <jet65> Can anyone help me with installing Xubuntu?
[04:30] <maxamillion> !ask | jet65
[04:31] <ubotu> jet65: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[04:32] <jet65> Alright, well I've made the CD, and rebooted it and got to the boot screen. But once I choose to run and install Xubuntu, it loads for about 5 minutes, then goes to a blank bright blue screen with my cursor on it.
[04:32] <jet65> Have I done something wrong?
[04:34] <jet65> Right now I'm on Windows ME, since I will be double booting until I'm good with Xubuntu.
[04:35] <maxamillion> jet65: what are your computers specifications?
[04:36] <maxamillion> jet65: it sounds like it might be running out of ram for the live cd session and you might need to download the alternative installation cd
[04:37] <jet65> 128 mb ram, 40 GB hard drive,  amd processor, and hardly anything on it (1.5 GB of music, and a few small programs)
[04:37] <jet65> I thought I only needed 64 mb ram to run Xubuntu
[04:39] <maxamillion> jet65: right, you only need 64mb of ram to run xubuntu but you will need 192mb of ram to run the live installation cd, in your situation you will need to download the alternative installation cd, it installs using a text based installation method (more familiar to the debian installer or stylistically with the first half of the windows xp installer)
[04:39] <jet65> OK, is that on the Xubuntu website too?
[04:39] <maxamillion> jet65: yes
[04:39] <jet65> And it installs the same thing?
[04:40] <maxamillion> jet65: sure does
[04:40] <jet65> Alright, and how would you suggest I partition the hard drive while installing? I was considering 1 Gb or 750 mb for the swab and 20 GB for xubuntu
[04:41] <jet65> *for the swap
[04:42] <maxamillion> jet65: that sounds good to me
[04:42] <jet65> Alright, and one last question. How do I get my music library from C: on Windows over to my new OS?
[04:42] <maxamillion> jet65: you might even be fine with 10 or 15gb for xubuntu ... i have a 120gb hard drive but only have 3gb used and that includes all my extra programs installed and personal files
[04:43] <maxamillion> jet65: ah, this can be done by mounting the windows file system ... lemme find the tutorial for you
[04:43] <jet65> Thanks...and I will try to use less for partitioning
[04:43] <maxamillion> !ntfs | jet65
[04:43] <ubotu> jet65: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[04:43] <jet65> Alright well thanks very much for the help.
[04:44] <maxamillion> jet65: that will give you read access for write access to the partition do this --->
[04:44] <maxamillion> !ntfs-3g | jet65
[04:44] <ubotu> jet65: ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[04:44] <maxamillion> jet65: anytime :)
[04:44] <jet65> Thanks, and anymore problems I have I will make sure to check back in.
[09:46] <linux_stu> any openwrt users here?
[10:03] <nikolam> Helo
[10:04] <nikolam> How to install new version of something (gamin for instance) on Xubuntu, if dependencies are half of a system?
[10:05] <nikolam> I also had issues with needing to update libc6 for use with skype but I also had to install most of the system again and did not have source for new packages
[10:06] <nikolam> Is it advisable to put gutsy apt line and add it`s repository to get right version of libraries/programs and implement them system-wide?
[10:07] <nikolam> How to install a program that needs sifferent version of libraries, anyway?
[10:09] <TheSheep> nikolam: you don;t
[10:09] <TheSheep> nikolam: or you install half of a new system
[10:09] <TheSheep> nikolam: or whole new system
[10:10] <nikolam> So I am stuck with distribution and programs compiled for it.
[10:10] <nikolam> Even if, per instance, gamin in 7.04 is making a mess of my life every day?
[10:10] <nikolam> Bug reported>Nothing
[10:12] <nikolam> Right now i have about 80% of usage on both cpu cores and I am doing nothing.
[10:12] <nikolam> http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3247
[10:12] <ubotu> XFCE bug 3247 in vfs "Thunar only shows filesystem-changes on first start" [Normal,New]
[10:12] <nikolam> But I cant upgrade to gamin 0.1.9
[10:14] <nikolam> I was thinking I escaped winfdblows DLL-hell
[10:14] <nikolam> It is worse on Ubuntu/Linux..
[12:41] <mikubuntu> downloaded google earth as .bin file to my desktop... how to i open/install it?
[01:07] <mikubuntu> i got bumped off the net, did anyone know how i install google earth?  i downloaded a .bin file to my desktop, but i don't know how to open/install it ... thanks
[01:07] <ablomen> mikubuntu, hey
[01:07] <ablomen> its easy
[01:07] <mikubuntu> ablomen: kool, tell me how :)
[01:08] <mikubuntu> ablomen: is it a terminal thing?
[01:08] <ablomen> just open a terminal, then: `cd ~/Desktop` and then `sudo sh ./GoogleEarth.bin` (change GoogleEarth.bin to the name of the .bin file)
[01:08] <ablomen> jup it is :)
[01:08] <mikubuntu> ok, i go try ... thx
[01:09] <ablomen> after that there will come a window, just read the stuff and click next untill it says its finished :)
[01:09] <ablomen> np
[01:10] <mikubuntu> ablomen: cd ~/Desktop    is a single command?
[01:10] <ablomen> yes everything within a `` is a single command
[01:15] <mikubuntu> ablomen: not working ezackly that way ...
[01:15] <ablomen> whats the problem?
[01:17] <mikubuntu> i get: mikubuntu@ubuntu:~/Desktop$ after i entered cd~/Desktop
[01:17] <mikubuntu> then i enter sudo sh ./GoogleEarthLinux.bin and ... nothing
[01:17] <ablomen> did you enter your password?
[01:18] <mikubuntu> what am i doing wrong
[01:18] <mikubuntu> ya, but went back to command prompt
[01:19] <ablomen> hmm you could try `chmod +x ./GoogleEarthLinux.bin` and then `sudo ./GoogleEarthLinux.bin`
[01:20] <mikubuntu> no, sry, it's working, i looked again and i had left a space between ./  & filename
[01:21] <mikubuntu> but now another prob for me to investigate, installer came up and said i have zero free space, which cannot be so i gotta check that out now
[01:21] <mikubuntu> arrrrrrggggggghhhhhhh
[01:22] <ablomen> hmm
[01:23] <mikubuntu> my disk usage analyser says i have 15.3 gigs available, but the installer says it doesn't have enough room to install 66mb of google ... hmmmmm .. wassup wit dat?
[01:24] <ablomen> do you have linux installed on multiple partitions?
[01:25] <mikubuntu> no, but this x is a fresh install over a previous ubuntu install that got corrupted when i downloaded unstable gutsy upgrade, could that be part of the problem?
[01:26] <ablomen> hmm dunno
[01:27] <mikubuntu> oh, well, i tried again and now it's working.  finicky, i guess, like a cat
[02:56] <Catoptromancy> ya I get odd problems kinda like that
[02:57] <Catoptromancy> I am converting a 6 gb mpg to a dvd .iso
[02:57] <Catoptromancy> says I ran out of disc space
[02:57] <Catoptromancy> with like 80+ gbs left
[02:57] <wbadger> but.. isn't a dvd like 4.7 gb big?
[02:57] <Catoptromancy> I specified dual layer dvd
[02:58] <Catoptromancy> not just that one
[02:58] <Catoptromancy> a 3 or 4 gb dvd also has same error sometimes
[02:59] <Catoptromancy> couldnt find any documentation on (devede)
[02:59] <wbadger> :\ maybe you could seek support for the program you are using.. what are you using?
[02:59] <Catoptromancy> great program when it works
[02:59] <wbadger> there isn't #devede :=\
[02:59] <Catoptromancy> I looked ofr support
[02:59] <Catoptromancy> nope
[02:59] <Catoptromancy> It was being hosted a large site
[02:59] <Catoptromancy> and found thier irc
[03:00] <Catoptromancy> and people were kinda cluessless
[03:00] <Catoptromancy> er
[03:00] <Catoptromancy> they had no idea
[04:17] <neozen> !
[04:17] <neozen> the cheapy blue usb-serial adapter I bought from ebay works out of the box!!!!
[04:20] <maxamillion> kudos :)
[04:33] <_trine>  I used to have 4 panels at the bottom of my screen which showed me what was in each of the 4 desktops now I have accidentally removed them how can I get them back? this is in XFCE4
[04:34] <_trine> I would really appreciate some help
[04:35] <TheSheep> _trine: right-click, select 'Add new item', scroll down, select Pager, click Add
[04:36] <TheSheep> _trine: right-click on the panel, that is
[04:38] <_trine> TheSheep: thx that has got it back but they are small vertical boxes they used to be horizontal
[04:39] <TheSheep> _trine: right-click on them, select properties, decrease the number of rows
[04:39] <_trine> damn
[04:40] <TheSheep> ?
[04:40] <_trine> I just clicked on something now they are gone
[04:40] <_trine> lol
[04:40] <TheSheep> probably on 'remove' :)
[04:40] <_trine> the whole line at the bottom has disapeared
[04:40] <TheSheep> ouch
[04:40] <_trine> there is something else too
[04:41] <TheSheep> _trine: right-click on the top panel, select 'customize panel', then click on the plus button, position the panel the way you want, etc.
[04:41] <_trine> due to my messing about I have finished up with 2 verticle solid boxes on my screen I can't get rid of
[04:42] <_trine> ok its at the top now
[04:42] <TheSheep> _trine: say, are you using compiz or something like that?
[04:42] <_trine> ok figured that out now
[04:42] <_trine> I think I may be using compiz
[04:43] <_trine> I'm an old linux learner :(
[04:44] <TheSheep> _trine: wobley windows, cube desktop, etc. ?
[04:45] <_trine> b4 when I used to slide things to the left or right they automatically changed desktops now they don't
[04:45] <_trine> is that cube?
[04:45] <TheSheep> _trine: taht you can set up in settings->window manager settings->Advanced
[04:46] <_trine> that's the menu that's disappeared
[04:46] <_trine> I think I will try a reboot
[04:46] <_trine> or a log out
[04:50] <_trine> nope it looks like I have lost my original menu
[04:50] <_trine> is there a way to start again with xfce
[04:50] <TheSheep> _trine: just add it back
[04:51] <_trine> ie to remove it all then reinstall it
[04:51] <_trine> I liked it a lot in its default state
[04:53] <_trine> I seem to have what appear to be panels when you click on them but they are very small oblongs
[04:54] <TheSheep> _trine: you can just delete your panel settings and then it will be back to defaults
[04:54] <_trine> how
[04:55] <TheSheep> _trine: they are in your home directory, in .config/xfce4/panel/
[04:55] <TheSheep> the .config directory is hidden
[04:55] <TheSheep> you need to enable displaying hidden files
[04:58] <SatanGol1a> where do i find the screensaver settings menu in xfce?
[04:59] <TheSheep> SatanGol1a: settings->screensaver settings, or settings->setting manager->screensaver settings
[04:59] <SatanGol1a> TheSheep: i have neither
[05:00] <TheSheep> SatanGol1a: you have proper installation of xubuntu?
[05:00] <SatanGol1a> TheSheep: yes, i think so
[05:00] <SatanGol1a> Xfce 4 Desktop Environment
[05:00] <SatanGol1a> version <IP_ADDRESS> (Xfce 4.4 BETA2)
[05:01] <SatanGol1a> and the latest xubuntu version too i think
[05:01] <TheSheep> SatanGol1a: and you didn't unistall the screensaver?
[05:01] <SatanGol1a> no, not that i know of
[05:01] <_trine> well I deleted all in that folder and rebooted and its all just the same :(
[05:01] <SatanGol1a> it works, goes on after like 15-30 in of inactivity
[05:02] <SatanGol1a> *min
[05:02] <TheSheep> SatanGol1a: I can see it right in the middle of the settings manager on my install
[05:02] <TheSheep> SatanGol1a: and it was always tehre
[05:02] <TheSheep> there
[05:02] <TheSheep> _trine: that's strange
[05:03] <SatanGol1a> TheSheep: hehe, well i dont, strange indeed, but thanks anyways
[05:05] <_trine> ah
[05:05] <_trine> I did it
[05:05] <_trine> I needed to reduce the number of rows
[05:05] <_trine> back to 1
[05:07] <_trine> gez
[05:07] <_trine> geeez
[05:07] <_trine> now I have removed
[05:07] <_trine> it
[05:08] <_trine> grrrrrrrrrrrr
[05:08] <_trine> the problem is that I have what appear to be 2 very compressed panels
[05:08] <_trine> on my screen
[05:09] <_trine> and I was trying to get rid of them
[05:10] <_trine> now I have no panels at all it ask if i want to exit I answered yes and all the panels were gone
[05:10] <_trine> :(
[05:10] <_trine> how do I get a panel back?
[05:11] <_trine> this was working so nice this morning when I got up
[05:12] <TheSheep> _trine: press alt-F2 and type 'xfce4-panel'
[05:13] <_trine> yes that has brought 1 of my panels back
[05:13] <TheSheep> _trine: now right-click on it, select 'customize panel' and add more
[05:17] <_trine> Yes I'm getting the hang of it now
[05:17] <_trine> thank you
[05:17] <TheSheep> it's a little complicated, but once you get it, it gets easy
[05:18] <_trine> yes
[05:21] <_trine> I really am impressed with xfce
[05:21] <_trine> I'm new to linux
[05:21] <_trine> and I'm also old
[05:21] <_trine> so I have an handicap
[05:21] <_trine> lol
[05:21] <_trine> its only fair
[05:22] <_trine> I'm using xchat to talk on irc
[05:22] <_trine> can I add that to a panel
[05:23] <totalwormface> you can add a laucher to the panel
[05:23] <totalwormface> with 'xchat' as the command to load
[05:23] <TheSheep> _trine: add a launcher, and then add xchat to the launcher
[05:24] <_trine> do I need to know where xchat is on my computer
[05:25] <_trine> ah i can drag it
[05:25] <_trine> nice
[05:27] <_trine> b4 i messed up I used to have a panel with applications on it like gnome has with all the program items
[05:27] <_trine> can I get that back
[05:28] <_trine> I would really like to get back to how it was when i installed it
[05:31] <_trine> I think it might have imported the settings off gnome
[05:32] <_trine> there is something in synaptic called
[05:33] <_trine> xubuntu-default-settings
[05:37] <sargsmitten> hell ALL... does any1 know the minimun system requirements for Xubuntu?
[05:38] <TheSheep> sargsmitten: the yare on the xubuntu.org page
[05:38] <sargsmitten> thanx
[05:40] <_trine> got my menus back
[05:40] <_trine> :)
[05:41] <sargsmitten> 128 megs of ram minimun is fuxing incredible....it doesn't say anything about processor req tho
[05:41] <TheSheep> _trine: \o/
[05:41] <TheSheep> sargsmitten: because it will work on any processor, just slooooooow :)
[05:41] <_trine> hey guys at 60 its hard getting the synapses working
[05:41] <_trine> :)))
[05:42] <_trine> they have had years of alcohol abuse
[05:42] <TheSheep> _trine: no kidding, I'm full of respect for you
[05:42] <_trine> :)
[05:42] <TheSheep> _trine: I have tried to get my parents to learn that
[05:42] <sargsmitten> cool cool sorry for so many questions... i used Ubuntu and im looking at installing xubuntu on my brother's shitty computer...how does Xfrce desktop environment compare to GNOME?
[05:42] <_trine> well I'm retired now so i have time to spare
[05:43] <_trine> from a beginners point of view Xfce is better
[05:43] <TheSheep> sargsmitten: it's not as automated and doesn't have GUI tools for everything, but I find it simplier and faster
[05:43] <TheSheep> _trine: xfce is also more different from windows than, say, kde
[05:44] <TheSheep> _trine: but I consider it a good thing
[05:44] <_trine> well I don't really know why but I just like it ,, its quicker than the others and does all I need
[05:44] <sargsmitten> good... i'm running ubuntu fiesty on a 3ghzP4 with 1gb ram ....and he'll i guess be runnin on a celeron M and 256mb ram
[05:45] <sargsmitten> so xubuntu wouldprolly be his best choice?
[05:45] <TheSheep> thunar rocks, the panels and settings could use a usability expret audit though :)
[05:45] <sargsmitten> besides windows 98 of course (that would be a  joke)
[05:45] <TheSheep> sargsmitten: definitely better for this box than standard ubuntu
[05:46] <_trine> you could use dos 6.2
[05:46] <_trine> joke
[05:46] <_trine> I remember using dos 3
[05:46] <TheSheep> sargsmitten: if he's a little more advanced, you could also look at other disros using xfce -- like zenwalk for example
[05:46] <TheSheep> _trine: me too, I even used CP/M
[05:47] <_trine> yes and z80
[05:47] <TheSheep> _trine: I was stuck with dos 3.22 for a long time
[05:47] <_trine> I never had a problem with it
[05:47] <TheSheep> never had z80, my friends had, I got access to computer much later
[05:47] <sargsmitten> i used DOSshell 6 on a monocrhom laptop and sum how got DOOM to run on it...  mind u whenever i moved i couldn't see nething
[05:47] <_trine> it fact i was looking at my old books on it only yesterday
[05:47] <TheSheep> _trine: it's nice, but it does a fraction of what an operating system should do :)
[05:48] <_trine> yes you're right no ssh tftp nothing
[05:49] <TheSheep> there was ftp and telnet
[05:49] <sargsmitten> so has any1 used GUTSY yet? and if so how's it lookin?
[05:49] <TheSheep> and a web browser, arachne I think
[05:49] <_trine> yes they were there and I used them all the time
[05:49] <TheSheep> sargsmitten: I'm on it even as we speak
[05:49] <sargsmitten> and/?
[05:49] <TheSheep> _trine: I didn't have any network access at that time
[05:49] <_trine> we used to run a program called NOS
[05:49] <_trine> we did
[05:49] <_trine> we used ham radio
[05:50] <_trine> to play with tcpip
[05:50] <TheSheep> _trine: I didn't even had a hdd until much later
[05:50] <_trine> nor me
[05:50] <TheSheep> _trine: switching the diskettes later on, when an app was on a 2 or 3 of them was a nightmare
[05:50] <_trine> we have floppy 51/4 disks
[05:50] <sargsmitten> THESHEEP... how is it?
[05:51] <TheSheep> sargsmitten: works
[05:51] <_trine> we used to TX 48k of program over our radios
[05:51] <_trine> it took 15 minutes
[05:51] <_trine> ha ha
[05:51] <sargsmitten> should i wait til its outta alpha/beta???????????
[05:51] <_trine> using audio
[05:52] <TheSheep> !beta
[05:52] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon (7.10) *BETA* information and release notes can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Beta - If you regularly update, then you're running the latest version - ISOs and Torrents at http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/ - It is development software and as such unstable, support ONLY in #ubuntu+1
[05:52] <TheSheep> !worksforme
[05:52] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/worksforme/
[05:52] <sargsmitten> cool thanx
[05:53] <sargsmitten> sry about the cross distro talk there BOT
[05:53] <TheSheep> sargsmitten: we don't do marketting for xubuntu here, we do support, trying to help people, there is nothing wrong with recommending other soultions if they are better
[05:54] <TheSheep> for the particular task
[06:46] <dazjorz> Hi
[06:47] <dazjorz> Does anybody have a clue as to how long it will take approx. until Gutsy is released?
[06:48] <dazjorz> After using Ubuntu and Kubuntu for a while, I'd like to try Xubuntu, and while I'm at it, I'd like to take the most recent Gutsy CD
[06:49] <TheSheep> dazjorz: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule
[06:51] <dazjorz> Thanks :)
[08:26] <NullName> !please help! My xubuntu 7.04 top and bottom panels disappeared! I think it might be because in the last session I crashed them with xkill.  How can I disable the restore session feature?  I have a menu when I right click on the desktop.
[08:27] <hyper__ch> NullName: alt+f2
[08:27] <hyper__ch> and then:  xfce4-panel &
[08:28] <NullName> thanks :)
[08:28] <hyper__ch> NullName: it works?
[08:28] <NullName> yep
[08:28] <hyper__ch> good
[08:28] <NullName> thanks os much
[08:29] <hyper__ch> the panels are started iwth the xfce4-panel  binary
[08:29] <NullName> I'll write it down
[08:29] <hyper__ch> and the "&" at the end means, it should go on running, even if the the "terminal" is closed
[08:29] <NullName> hehe luckily I know that much
[08:30] <NullName> hehe. I love bash.
[08:30] <NullName> so that's where I learned
[08:31] <hyper__ch> I know bash too little
[08:31] <hyper__ch> and I'm totally clueless about regex :(
[08:31] <NullName> not many people care to learn...I guess its a system admin language..
[08:31] <NullName> hehe I love regex!
[08:31] <NullName> some people use bash with cgi
[08:31] <hyper__ch> bash is great
[08:32] <hyper__ch> I use it for "auto-setup" of a new install
[08:32] <hyper__ch> and for incremental, snap-shot style backups
[08:32] <hyper__ch> and the last I created (with help) was for encoding all of Babylon 5 to mkv (h.264 & ogg)
[08:32] <NullName> yes I love it for setting up everything when I log in
[08:33] <NullName> hehe
[08:33] <hyper__ch> bash is great
[08:33] <NullName> It's a great way to automate tasks
[08:33] <NullName> yes..I love using it with curl and lynx -dump
[08:33] <hyper__ch> sure it is :)
[08:33] <NullName> automating web tasks is a lot of fun
[08:33] <hyper__ch> I've never tried myself on curl ;)
[08:33] <NullName> I actually have made some wicked stuff with bash and cgi
[08:33] <NullName> ohh curl is nice!
[08:34] <hyper__ch> well, I've written a small bot for a webbroser game in PHP ;)
[08:34] <NullName> I wrote my own little bash script that uses curl to spoof your useragent..referer...and chain two proxies (tor and jap)
[08:34] <NullName> nice
[08:34] <NullName> I love php too
[08:34] <NullName> hehe you and me are on the same page
[08:34] <NullName> php and bash are my fav.
[08:35] <dazjorz> heh
[08:35] <dazjorz> In my opinion, PHP should stay strictly to web programming
[08:35] <hyper__ch> hehehe... well, the Snoopy class is excellent at emulating a browser
[08:35] <dazjorz> I'm a Perler, that explains all
[08:35] <NullName> hehe
[08:35] <hyper__ch> iieks...
[08:35] <hyper__ch> perl
[08:35] <NullName> I like perl too though
[08:35] <hyper__ch> perl is complicated
[08:35] <dazjorz> Let's start another flamewar!
[08:35] <hyper__ch> (and never works for me)
[08:35] <NullName> hehe
[08:35] <dazjorz> U ALL SUX WIT UR PHP
[08:36] <hyper__ch> ;)
[08:36] <dazjorz> ;-)
[08:36] <NullName> PHP= people hating perl
[08:36] <dazjorz> Lol :')
[08:36] <hyper__ch> well, thats true for me
[08:36] <NullName> hehe
[08:36] <hyper__ch> how can any sane person use java or perl?
[08:36] <dazjorz> Heh
[08:36] <FFighter> hello
[08:37] <hyper__ch> FFighter: hi
[08:37] <FFighter> how can I add more pages to the pager, I mean, more desktop workspaces?
[08:37] <NullName> well java I don't understand....decompilers would scare me if I ran java
[08:37] <dazjorz> hyper__ch, Well I do consider myself sane enough
[08:37] <dazjorz> hyper__ch, I've looked into Java and it's okay, but not something I would like to keep writing in
[08:37] <hyper__ch> FFighter: Settings --> Workspace Settings
[08:37] <dazjorz> I fail to explain why, though
[08:38] <NullName> because of decompilers :-D
[08:38] <NullName> I have 3 characters for you
[08:38] <NullName> jad
[08:38] <hyper__ch> jad?
[08:38] <NullName> its a wicked java decompiler
[08:38] <hyper__ch> :)
[08:39] <dazjorz> well you're not supposed to decompile stuff anyway ;)
[08:39] <maxamillion> NullName: what's wrong with java decompilers?
[08:39] <NullName> yes but you should be prepared for people that will.
[08:39] <NullName> I don't like the idea of users viewing source code
[08:39] <hyper__ch> FFighter: found it?
[08:39] <FFighter> hyper__ch, thank you!
[08:39] <NullName> some people keep there mysql passwords in there source
[08:39] <hyper__ch> one should decompile windoze... that should be a good laugh
[08:39] <NullName> or even store passwords in there source
[08:39] <NullName> heheh
[08:40] <hyper__ch> NullName: a mysql password is not a password?
[08:40] <NullName> haha goo dpoint
[08:40] <hyper__ch> ;)
[08:40] <NullName> :-p
[08:40] <hyper__ch> FFighter: yw
[08:41] <hyper__ch> NullName: I know... the English language is tough to master - even Bush fails at it too often ;)
[08:41] <NullName> actually it's my spacebar at the moment.
[08:42] <hyper__ch> NullName: your spacebar
[08:43] <NullName> Did I say something that pissed you off?
[08:43] <hyper__ch> NullName: nope, why?
[08:44] <brobostigon> hi
[08:44] <NullName> You seem a bit ticked off.
[08:45] <hyper__ch> NullName: not at all.. I tried to make a little joke.... regaring your mysql password / password thing... you know, I have the Out-of-Office calendar by GW Bush on which he makes quite a few funny statement...
[08:45] <hyper__ch> brobostigon: hi
[08:46] <NullName> oh hehe.  Sorry.  I thought you were making fun of my spelling and grammar errors.
[08:46] <NullName> I must be a bit defensive.
[08:48] <hyper__ch> NullName: nope, not at all... it was meant as a little joke
[08:48] <hyper__ch> I still have to get the 2008 calendar:  http://www.amazon.com/2008-George-Office-Countdown-Calendar/dp/1402209827
[08:51] <hyper__ch> so, gotta make some food :)
[09:06] <TABASCO> Good evening
[09:07] <TABASCO> Can anyone tell me how much disk capacity xubuntu needs?
[09:07] <hyper__ch> TABASCO: that's on the xubuntu home page
[09:07] <hyper__ch> TABASCO: under requirements
[09:07] <TABASCO> is it?
[09:07] <TABASCO> Oh, I'm sorry
[09:07] <hyper__ch> TABASCO: it should be
[09:07] <hyper__ch> TABASCO: it was at least once, a while ago
[09:08] <TABASCO> hyper__ch: The world is small.. :)
[09:08] <hyper__ch> TABASCO: the world is relative
[09:08] <TABASCO> ;)
[09:08] <TABASCO> everything is relative..
[09:09] <TABASCO> mhm, 1,5.. that's a little bit huge...
[09:09] <hyper__ch> TABASCO: except the speed of light
[09:09] <arttu> ...in a vacuum
[09:09] <hyper__ch> TABASCO: it's not that hue
[09:09] <hyper__ch> TABASCO: how much does windoze use?
[09:09] <hyper__ch> TABASCO: windoze vista
[09:10] <hyper__ch> both are current OSes
[09:10] <TABASCO> hyper__ch: Well, the question is "which full operating system can I use on a 2GB hard disk" :)
[09:10] <hyper__ch> TABASCO: DamnSmallLinux
[09:10] <hyper__ch> TABASCO: FeatherLinux
[09:10] <hyper__ch> TABASCO: DSL uses like 70mb
[09:11] <TABASCO> Yes, I also first thought about DSL
[09:11] <TABASCO> But Xubuntu is easier to use, in my opinion
[09:11] <hyper__ch> easier or more familiar?
[09:12] <arttu> fluxbuntu isn't horrible either, i started on it, but it is kinda crude
[09:12] <arttu> lighter than xubuntu
[09:12] <TABASCO> arttu: Yes, but the fluxbuntu page isn't available at the moment
[09:13] <arttu> well look at that!
[09:14] <TABASCO> They're comming back with Gutsy I guess
[09:14] <TABASCO> Has anyone an experience about the driver status in Damn Small Linux?
[09:15] <hyper__ch> it works fine on my usb stick
[09:16] <TABASCO> It should work on a DELL Inspiron 8100
[09:16] <TABASCO> or 8200..
[09:31] <winkerbean> Hi, any ideas why I would have an empty xorg.conf file after installing Xubuntu 7.04?
[09:33] <TABASCO> not really
[09:33] <TABASCO> you can try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:34] <winkerbean> Thanks, TABASCO, I'll give it a try.
[09:34] <TABASCO> winkerbean: No problem :)
[09:35] <TABASCO> That's one of the most important commands, in my opinion
[09:35] <TABASCO> If you have questions about it you can ask
[09:36] <TABASCO> Most of the questions during the configuration progress you can confirm
[09:36] <winkerbean> There was something strange...The installer did not ask me anything about my monitor or video card, except what resolutions I wanted.
[09:37] <TABASCO> mhm.. that's really strange
[09:37] <TABASCO> so what says lspci | grep VGA ?
[09:37] <winkerbean> Let me check.  Be back soon.  (It's on another computer.)
[09:38] <TABASCO> sure
[09:41] <winkerbean> Back, it says: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV44A [GeForce 6200] (reva1)
[09:42] <TABASCO> Okay, so that seems to work correctly
[09:42] <TABASCO> and sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[09:43] <TABASCO> by the way, you should highlight me
[09:43] <winkerbean> working on that now (how do I highlight you in chatzilla?)
[09:45] <TheSheep> winkerbean: just menion his name
[09:45] <TheSheep> mention
[09:47] <TABASCO> Good question
[09:47] <TABASCO> By typing my name?
[09:47] <TABASCO> Just type TABA then press Tabulator and write your message
[09:48] <TheSheep> type TAB then hit TAB ;)
[09:49] <winkerbean> TABASCO: dpkg-reconfigure gave "cannot create configuration file"
[09:49] <TheSheep> winkerbean: add 'sudo' in front
[09:49] <TABASCO> wouh, thats strange
[09:49] <TABASCO> ah, for sure
[09:49] <TABASCO> didn't I say so?
[09:50] <TheSheep> TABASCO: maybe he missed it
[09:50] <TABASCO> yes..
[09:50] <TheSheep> ah, no, then it says: /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure must be run as root
[09:51] <winkerbean> TABASCO: Let me check the sudo bit.
[09:51] <TheSheep> winkerbean: what does 'ls -ld /etc/X11/xorg.conf' say?
[09:51] <hyper__ch> ls -ld?
[09:52] <TABASCO> okay, now are the experts coming...
[09:52] <TheSheep> hyper__ch: long format, don't show directory contents
[09:52] <hyper__ch> ah :)
[09:52] <winkerbean> TABASCO: yep, ran as sudo
[09:52] <hyper__ch> TheSheep: thx mastre
[09:53] <TheSheep> hyper__ch: just in case /etc/X11/xorg.conf happened to be a directory by some miracle :)
[09:53] <winkerbean> TheSheep: it says, the file (definitely file) has 0 bytes and the owner is root.
[09:54] <TheSheep> winkerbean: can you paste the beginning, the part with ---- in it
[09:54] <TheSheep> winkerbean: something like rwxr-xr-x
[09:55] <winkerbean> TheSheep: -rw-r--r--
[09:55] <TheSheep> winkerbean: looks ok :/
[09:55] <TheSheep> winkerbean: what does 'dmesg | grep mount' say?
[09:55] <winkerbean> TheSheep: as sudo?
[09:56] <TheSheep> winkerbean: no, normal user
[09:56] <TheSheep> winkerbean: actually doesn't matter
[09:56] <hyper__ch> TheSheep: :)
[09:57] <hyper__ch> TheSheep: why does fdisk -l only work as root?
[09:57] <TheSheep> hyper__ch: because it needs direct access to the device
[09:57] <hyper__ch> TheSheep: ah :)
[09:57] <winkerbean> TheSheep: [    7.521594]  EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode
[09:58] <TheSheep> winkerbean: that's all? nothing about remounting read-only?
[09:58] <winkerbean> TheSheep: Nope
[09:58] <TABASCO> that will be difficult, it's on another pc
[09:58] <TheSheep> winkerbean: ok, 'df -h'
[09:59] <TheSheep> winkerbean: is there free space on / ?
[09:59] <winkerbean> TheSheep: Oh, yeah. 225 GB
[10:00] <hyper__ch> is there any FF plugin that lets me select a download location for each download?
[10:00] <winkerbean> hyper__ch: I think you can select "Ask me every time" or something like that in the properties.
[10:00] <TheSheep> winkerbean: well, try removing that file with 'sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf' and then creating it using 'sudo touch /etc/X11/xorg.conf'
[10:01] <hyper__ch> winkerbean: it just saves it to the desktop but I can't set any other location
[10:01] <TheSheep> hyper__ch: it's in settings
[10:01] <TheSheep> hyper__ch: the first tab
[10:01] <TheSheep> hyper__ch: right in the middle
[10:02] <winkerbean> TheSheep: ok.   I looked the whole time at the content type --> how to handle files
[10:03] <winkerbean> TheSheep: Could this just be a 'cracked' installation?  I used the Live/Desktop CD to install.  Perhaps using the Alternate CD would help?
[10:03] <TheSheep> winkerbean: try that 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' again
[10:03] <winkerbean> TheSheep: ok.
[10:03] <TABASCO> hyper__ch: I think you don't need a plugin for that
[10:03] <TheSheep> winkerbean: even if it's broken, it's faster to repair it than to reinstall :)
[10:03] <TABASCO> Edit
[10:03] <TABASCO> Preferences
[10:03] <hyper__ch> found it meanwhile :)
[10:04] <TABASCO> Main  Downloads  Always as me where to save files
[10:04] <TheSheep> TABASCO: he found it already :)
[10:04] <hyper__ch> but the help is appreciated ;)
[10:04] <TheSheep> yeah, keep it up :)
[10:08] <TABASCO> sorry folks, my internet was hanging
[10:08] <hyper__ch> TABASCO: you got your own internet? Damn, that's cool ;)
[10:08] <TABASCO> hyper__ch: sure
[10:08] <TABASCO> it's aaall miiiiiiiine...
[10:08] <TABASCO> Like Microsoft
[10:08] <hyper__ch> TABASCO: I have to share mine with so many others
[10:09] <winkerbean> TheSheep: Still no such luck.  Alas, I must run to a meeting.  I shall try to come up with something.  Thanks for all your help. :-)
[10:12] <TABASCO> What's the difference between Jurassic Park and Microsoft?
[10:12] <TheSheep> !ot
[10:12] <ubotu> #xubuntu is the Xubuntu support channel, #xubuntu-devel for discussion regarding development of Xubuntu, and #xubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[10:12] <TABASCO> The one is full of primeval monsters that are swallowing everything in their way and the other is a film.
[10:12] <TABASCO> Oh is it?
[10:12] <TheSheep> it sure is
[10:12] <TABASCO> It's different than in #kubuntu-de here
[10:13] <TheSheep> TABASCO: loco channels have different policies
[10:13] <TABASCO> mhm.. kubuntu-de is the official kubuntu support channel of germany
[10:13] <hyper__ch> TABASCO: see, a loco channel :)
[10:14] <hyper__ch> TABASCO: the  #kubuntu-de channel is a bit seperatistic anyway
[10:14] <TABASCO> I see
[10:15] <TABASCO> mhm well, normally I'm only in #kubuntu-de and in #UWN-de, the german translation channel of the ubuntu weekly newsletter..
[10:15] <TABASCO> and because I own #UWN-de I allowed offtopic there :)
[10:15] <TABASCO> Okay, I'm doing offtopic again
[10:15] <TABASCO> See you guys
[10:15] <TheSheep> TABASCO: we sometimes talk offtopic here, but the obviously offtopic stuff is sooner or later moved to #xubuntu-offtopic
[10:16] <TABASCO> okay
[10:17] <hyper__ch> TABASCO: the secret is always to have a small link to an xubuntu related problem ;)
[10:17] <TABASCO> ah.. well I just tried to play the jurassic park dvd on xubuntu, but it seems like there are some codecs missing...
[10:35] <Zach__> Hello everyone, I have xUbuntu running on my xbox and I wanted to install wine to run windows games, however, I cant connect to the internet for some reason
[10:35] <hyper__ch> Zach__: give me an xbox and I try to find a solution :)
[10:35] <hyper__ch> !xbox | Zach__
[10:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xbox - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:36] <Zach__> well someone from wine channel told me to come here for this problem
[10:36] <hyper__ch> well, I have no clue
[10:36] <hyper__ch> with the xbox
[10:36] <Zach__> you dont have an xbox?
[10:36] <hyper__ch> is it ethernet?
[10:36] <Zach__> yes
[10:36] <hyper__ch> Zach__: nope, no xbox
[10:37] <Zach__> Wow
[10:37] <hyper__ch> is the ethernet port recognized?
[10:37] <Zach__> yes,
[10:37] <hyper__ch> Zach__: why wow?
[10:37] <Zach__> because everyone has one
[10:37] <hyper__ch> Zach__: open a terminal and type:  ifconfig
[10:37] <hyper__ch> Zach__: obviously not everyone ;)
[10:37] <Zach__> ok let me first boot it up
[10:37] <hyper__ch> xbox sounds M$
[10:37] <Zach__> xbox is from microsoft
[10:38] <hyper__ch> another good reason not to get one ;)
[10:38] <Pumpernickel> Err, this isn't the support channel for this: http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/Main_Page, it's the support channel for this: http://xubuntu.org/
[10:38] <Zach__> lol
[10:38] <hyper__ch> Pumpernickel: he said he has xubuntu on his xbox
[10:39] <Pumpernickel> hyper__ch: Both projects, unfortunately, use the same name.
[10:39] <TABASCO> and the xbox 360 burns after you used some times..
[10:39] <hyper__ch> Pumpernickel: oh :)
[10:39] <Zach__> yea, i have xubuntu running on it, and could you give me a channel to connect to for xubuntu on the xbox: Pumpernickel?
[10:39] <hyper__ch> Zach__: well, then you should go to the channel mentioned in the wiki
[10:39] <Zach__> ok
[10:40] <Zach__> I'll check it out now, last time I went no one was there
[10:40] <Pumpernickel> Zach__: #xbox-linux on irc.oftc.net
[10:40] <hyper__ch> Zach__: well, you can still stay here but whether someone can help is - doubtful
[10:41] <Zach__> theres only 1 person!
[10:41] <Zach__> oh well though
[10:42] <hyper__ch> the xbox is started?
[10:42] <TABASCO> Zach__: are you german?
[10:42] <Zach__> no why?
[10:42] <hyper__ch> TABASCO: not everybody is German ;)
[10:42] <TABASCO> I think there is a good article about installing and configuring ubuntu on xbox in the german ubuntu wiki..
[10:43] <Zach__> Is everybody german here?
[10:43] <TABASCO> I don't think so
[10:43] <TABASCO> some
[10:43] <hyper__ch> I'm not German
[10:43] <Zach__> Im not either
[10:43] <Zach__> ok no one is answering me in the xbox channel
[10:44] <Zach__> theres only like 2 people there
[10:44] <TABASCO> hehe
[10:44] <hyper__ch> xbox running?
[10:44] <Zach__> yes
[10:44] <hyper__ch> Zach__: is a terminal open?
[10:44] <Zach__> I will open now
[10:45] <Zach__> it takes a long time because its running live from dvd disc
[10:45] <Zach__> so hold on
[10:45] <hyper__ch> *hold*
[10:45] <hyper__ch> *hold*
[10:45] <hyper__ch> *hold*
[10:45] <Zach__> lol
[10:45] <TABASCO> nothing to do, eh?
[10:45] <TABASCO> ;)
[10:45] <Zach__> ok its up and running
[10:46] <TABASCO> *stop holding*
[10:46] <Zach__> yes no kidding
[10:46] <hyper__ch> Zach__: ifconfig
[10:46] <hyper__ch> [enter]
[10:46] <TABASCO> :D
[10:46] <Zach__> ok
[10:46] <Zach__> .....
[10:47] <TABASCO> any devices present?
[10:47] <hyper__ch> so, what does appear?
[10:47] <aryr100> hello all
[10:47] <TABASCO> like.. eth0 or something like that?
[10:47] <hyper__ch> aryr100: hi
[10:47] <TABASCO> hi aryr100
[10:47] <Zach__> ok heres the output: eth0 and lo
[10:47] <Zach__> and other stuff
[10:47] <aryr100> is there a cmd to upgrade to 7.10 like with gnome & kde ?
[10:48] <hyper__ch> Zach__: can you post that other stuff that belongs to eth0 ?
[10:48] <hyper__ch> aryr100: the same as gnome & kde
[10:48] <Zach__> yes hold on...
[10:48] <aryr100> kk thx
[10:48] <hyper__ch> aryr100: update-manager -d  or something like that
[10:48] <TABASCO> that wasn't for you :)
[10:49] <Zach__> eth0 Link encap:Ethernet Inet addr:<IP_ADDRESS> Bcast: <IP_ADDRESS> Mask: <IP_ADDRESS> and theres other stuff but its too much to write
[10:49] <Zach__> Ill check the browser
[10:49] <hyper__ch> Zach__:
[10:49] <TABASCO> Zach__: maybe you try to ping
[10:49] <hyper__ch> that's ok
[10:49] <TABASCO> type ping www.google.com
[10:50] <TABASCO> [enter]
[10:50] <TABASCO> ;)
[10:50] <hyper__ch> Zach__: please post what you get:   cat /etc/resolv.conf
[10:50] <hyper__ch> [enter]
[10:50] <Zach__> ok but hold on
[10:50] <hyper__ch> ;)
[10:50] <Zach__> this damn thing takes sooooo long to load anything
[10:51] <TABASCO> Zach__: maybe you should just stay in the terminal
[10:51] <Zach__> lol, yes I should
[10:51] <TABASCO> Zach__: So try "ping www.google.com"
[10:51] <TABASCO> That is always the best way to check the internet connection...
[10:52] <Zach__> waiting for the terminal to load...
[10:52] <hyper__ch> TABASCO: not really... you should ping an IP address
[10:52] <TABASCO> hyper__ch: mhm, yes, that's correct
[10:53] <hyper__ch> TABASCO: if you have no dns server set then pinging a domain will make you think you have no inet connection
[10:53] <Zach__> ok hyper_ch: heres what the output is: cat: invalid option c try cat help for more info
[10:53] <hyper__ch> Zach__: hmmm... interesting
[10:53] <Zach__> ya
[10:54] <TABASCO> Zach__: What about the ping?
[10:54] <hyper__ch> Zach__: cd /etc
[10:54] <hyper__ch> cat resolv.conf
[10:54] <Zach__> aye aye captain
[10:54] <TABASCO> ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:54] <TABASCO> that should work - if there is any connection and no firewall..
[10:55] <Zach__> it says invalid option
[10:55] <Zach__> TABASCO: Ill try that
[10:55] <hyper__ch> Zach__: tail /etc/resolv.conf
[10:56] <Zach__> ok hold while this ping is going
[10:56] <TABASCO> Zach__: what means "ping is going"?
[10:56] <TABASCO> what does he say?
[10:57] <hyper__ch> Zach__: if you have no result yet, press  ctrl-c
[10:57] <Zach__> I mean I ping that adresss and it f*ed my xbox up
[10:57] <TABASCO> exactly - I forgot to say that
[10:57] <Zach__> so hold on
[10:58] <Zach__> ok at terminal ill type tail /etc/resolv.conf
[10:58] <Zach__> command not found
[10:58] <Zach__> dang
[10:58] <hyper__ch> Zach__: nano /etc/resolv.conf
[10:59] <TABASCO> maybe he has installed win2k instead xubuntu...?
[10:59] <Zach__> invalid option
[10:59] <TABASCO> that would explain why all the commends aren't working
[10:59] <hyper__ch> Zach__: pico /etc/resolv.conf
[10:59] <hyper__ch> TABASCO: well, ping should have worked
[10:59] <hyper__ch> TABASCO: and ifconfig woudln't have returned anything
[10:59] <Zach__> no I am running xbox xubuntu from live dvd disc
[10:59] <TABASCO> hyper__ch: I would say there is something really wrong with that installation!
[10:59] <TABASCO> or live session
[10:59] <hyper__ch> TABASCO: it's not installed... it's running from the dvd
[11:00] <hyper__ch> TABASCO: I have no experience with xbox linux
[11:00] <Zach__> I didnt install I am running live session
[11:00] <Zach__> on the xbox
[11:00] <hyper__ch> :)
[11:01] <Zach__> when I type / it displays: .
[11:01] <hyper__ch> ???
[11:02] <Zach__> I know weird
[11:02] <hyper__ch> can't help you, sorry
[11:02] <Zach__> anyhow thanks for the help
[11:02] <Zach__> do you know where I could stick the wine install file to be able to access it in xubuntu?
[11:03] <Zach__> winehq.org file
[11:04] <TABASCO> maybe a win2k cd had sexual intercourse with a SUSE floppy and they called their baby "xubuntu live cd"?
[11:04] <TABASCO> and that's what he's running now..
[11:04] <Zach__> lol nope
[11:04] <TABASCO> because SUSE is something like linux but nothing is working really..
[11:04] <Zach__> well thats cool i got finally, respones on the xbox channel see ya guys and thanks for the help
[11:05] <TABASCO> no problem (I think I didn't helped really)
[11:06] <TABASCO> mhm.. well xubuntu takes 1.5 gigabytes..
[11:06] <TABASCO> but what about the swap?
[11:06] <TABASCO> so if I have a 2 gigabyte hd, will it run on it?
[11:13] <Pumpernickel> !language | TABASCO
[11:13] <ubotu> TABASCO: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[11:14] <Pumpernickel> And re: the 2gb drive, yes.
[11:14] <TABASCO> what have I said what is not friendly?
[11:14] <hyper__ch> TABASCO: sexual intercourse
[11:15] <hyper__ch> my 2 cents
[11:15] <TABASCO> Huh? Not friendly?
[11:15] <TABASCO> This is interesting ^^
[11:15] <TheSheep> can't get much friendlier than that ;)
[11:15] <hyper__ch> making love ;)
[11:15] <TABASCO> :)
[11:15] <TheSheep> TABASCO: pretend your 6yo son is reading this
[11:15] <TABASCO> yes - and now?
[11:16] <TheSheep> TABASCO: ok, pretend it's your upright neighbour's son
[11:16] <TABASCO> they have 6 children - I think they all know what sexual intercourse means :)
[11:16] <DrgnKhan> lol
[11:16] <TABASCO> well sorry..
[11:16] <hyper__ch> !offtopic
[11:16] <ubotu> #xubuntu is the Xubuntu support channel, #xubuntu-devel for discussion regarding development of Xubuntu, and #xubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[11:16] <hyper__ch> ;)
[11:16] <Pumpernickel> Can we pretend for a moment that this is a support channel, and that there's a convenient, but separate, other channel for everything not strictly related to supprt?
[11:17] <TABASCO> yes, I was just amused
[11:17] <TABASCO> I'm sorry
[11:17] <hyper__ch> Pumpernickel: I can't... I'm a realist ;)
[11:26] <Ancient1> hi. I need a kickstart . absolute basic question : I need to run a script (in my home folder) . i tried sudo ./scrpt , entered the pass and it wasn't accepted .. HOW ?  is there a switch ?
[11:27] <Pumpernickel> You'd need it to be executable, which would require `chomd +x ./script`.
[11:27] <Pumpernickel> It's also likely that it doesn't require root priviledges, which means you wouldn't need the prefixed `sudo`.
[11:28] <Ancient1> i believe it is .. I did run in ubuntu but forgot how exactly
[11:28] <Ancient1> no , it does require
[11:29] <Ancient1> is there a gksu command or like this ?
[11:29] <Pumpernickel> Does `sudo sh ./script` work?
[11:29] <Ancient1> I'm in windows now . can't use the network
[11:29] <Ancient1> ..without it
[11:31] <Ancient1> what sdo sh do ?
[11:31] <Ancient1> sudo*
[11:32] <Pumpernickel> It launches sh with root privs and uses it to interpret the script, instead of trying to launch it directly.
[11:46] <graelb> hi there, i'm trying to run "echo "0" > /proc/driver/acerhk/blueled" in a launcher... i'm not sure what i'm doing wrong, but it doesn't work. any ideas?
[11:46] <graelb> The command works in a terminal, but not in a "command" field in a launcher.
[11:54] <excalibas> hello, how can i know which version of xubuntu is installed?
[11:56] <hyper__ch> excalibas: you remember what you downloaded and installed
[12:28] <ICXCNIKA> Hello.
[12:31] <TheSheep> hello ICXCNIKA
[12:32] <ICXCNIKA> Are there any merits to Xubuntu over Kubuntu? I'm trying to decide which distro to use with my Inspiron 5100. I am planning on dual booting (with Windows).
[01:12] <DARKGuy> hey, is it possible to open a getty (tty, VT, whatever) on a secondary display/card/monitor, just like X :1 would, but to also keep my current X session active on my main display?