[00:00] <WikiZ> charlie-tca that did the trick, thanks :)
[00:00] <WikiZ> but no vnc working :(
[00:00] <lukinfore> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=367663 was that been fixed?
[00:01] <charlie-tca> friartuck: there are many.
[00:01] <charlie-tca> !evolution
[00:01] <charlie-tca> !info evolution
[00:02] <friartuck> charlie-tca yes, there's some obvious ones in suggested, but I don't think I need all suggested
[00:02] <J_Litewski> IKm8ghasHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHTQA  4HHMMMMC7808PP[/8777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777788*u444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444445TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT,PDHFNB ,M060/6*
[00:02] <J_Litewski> STUPID PIGGIE
[00:02] <J_Litewski> and caps :?
[00:02] <lukinfore> lol, answer accepted
[00:03] <J_Litewski> not a good idea
[00:03] <charlie-tca> lukinfore: according to that report, yes
[00:03] <charlie-tca> J_Litewski: you let a pig walk on the keyboard?
[00:03] <J_Litewski> disregard that guinea pig post
[00:03] <lukinfore> well according to recent post it raising again
[00:03] <lukinfore> *last post
[00:04] <J_Litewski> at least he didn't end my kernel compile :)
[00:04] <lukinfore> and according to mine current gdmap state
[00:04] <J_Litewski> now, to wait 2 hours for it to finish
[00:05] <charlie-tca> I wouldn't let that one type anymore ;)
[00:05] <charlie-tca> He ain't even as good as the cat!
[00:14] <WikiZ> is there any firewall after fresh xubuntu install?
[00:15] <charlie-tca> shouldn't be, since no ports are opened
[00:16] <WikiZ> how do i open?
[00:16] <charlie-tca> Usually automatic as you install apps that need them.
[00:16] <charlie-tca> When you set up email, it opens ports 110 and 25
[00:16] <charlie-tca> firefox will open 80
[00:17] <WikiZ> just installed ftp server to test if thats why i cant vnc to it
[00:17] <WikiZ> and i cant connect to the ftpserver either
[00:17] <WikiZ> is there any gui thing for it or do i need to do it manually with iptables?
[00:18] <charlie-tca> I do it manually with an old script I wrote
[00:19] <Digit0> hello
[00:20] <Digit0> I have a problem with wine
[00:20] <Digit0> in the new 9.04
[00:20] <lukinfore> charlie-tca, did you mean input policy should be drop by default?
[00:20] <lukinfore> and , should i create a bug about gdmap?
[00:21] <lukinfore> someone can test that?
[00:21] <charlie-tca> no, I mean there is no input policy since there are no iptables by default
[00:21] <lukinfore> well, then all ports shold be opened
[00:22] <charlie-tca> Yes, you probably should create a bug about gdmap, and please include the debian bug number.
[00:22] <lukinfore> k, just want someone to proove this
[00:22] <charlie-tca> All ports are closed by default. You have to specifically open the ones you want
[00:22] <WikiZ> opend it all, still dosent work
[00:23] <lukinfore> uhm, if policy is accept, then port is open, isn't it?
[00:25] <charlie-tca> There is no accept / drop policy in place. the ports are not open
[00:25] <charlie-tca> accept/drop is iptables. They don't exist by default, so there are no policies
[00:27] <charlie-tca> !ufw
[00:27] <charlie-tca> !info ufw
[00:27] <charlie-tca> !iptables
[00:29] <WikiZ> charlie-tca i ran iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -j ACCEPT
[00:29] <WikiZ> and for outputaswel
[00:29] <charlie-tca> I don't know enough about using vnc to help anymore.
[00:30] <charlie-tca> Someone else will come along, I'm sure.
[00:34] <forces> saluton
[00:39] <lukinfore> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdmap/+bug/368302
[00:39] <lukinfore> here we are
[00:40] <charlie-tca> Thank you
[00:40] <lukinfore> charlie-tca, so you mean iptables had to mot be installed by default?
[00:40] <lukinfore> *not
[00:40]  * lukinfore in doubt
[00:40] <charlie-tca> !iptables
[00:41] <charlie-tca> See what this stuff says
[00:52] <lukinfore> Iptables is a firewall, installed by default on all official Ubuntu distributions (Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu). When you install Ubuntu, iptables is there, but it allows all traffic by default.
[00:52] <lukinfore> but, thanks for usefuk links anyway
[00:52] <charlie-tca> Okay, I was wrong
[00:52] <charlie-tca> So which ports did it open by default?
[00:52] <knome> every.
[00:53] <knome> "all traffic" == "all ports"
[00:54] <charlie-tca> Strange, when I use nmap to check them on a fresh install, nothing is open
[00:54] <knome> hmmh.
[00:54]  * knome wonders what to do next
[00:54] <charlie-tca> Go to sleep?
[00:54] <knome> nah, it's only 3am
[00:55] <charlie-tca> I am leaving now. Gotta take a break, myself.
[00:55] <knome> hehe
[00:55] <knome> see you
[01:07] <tmurase> hello, I'm wondering why banshee's icon is not showing up in the notification area.  known bug (sry if it is)
[01:07] <tmurase> ?
[01:23] <J_Litewski> hopefully this kernel works
[01:33] <BCM43> I have a laptop with xubuntu installed and a Intel 82830 CGC card, and I am having a huge number of artifacts. How can I fix this?
[01:42] <forces> wich xubuntu version?
[01:42] <BCM43> forces: 9.04
[01:43] <forces> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/904#Performance%20regressions%20on%20Intel%20graphics%20cards
[01:45] <BCM43> forces: there is no xorg.conf
[02:02] <mykevelli> has anyone heard of problems with jaunty not wanting to come out of suspend mode?
[02:05] <BCM43> forces: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=945271
[02:23] <MTec007> would file permissions cause my wifi card to only connect at only 1mbps
[02:23] <MTec007> i can barely access my http router config
[03:22] <mn> Firefox 3.0.9 on Linux kernel 2.6.24-23 generic on Xubuntu 8.04.1 Hardy Heron will not quit loading pages.  We have a decently fast connection so the page is loaded, but the little loading circle up in the left corner of the tab just keeps going around on any webpage I visit
[04:30] <noobsoup> is there any way to disable screen savers without going to settings manager->screensavers ? every time my screensaver comes on it turns off the monitor and locks me out of my system :( when i try to turn it off through the settings manager it previews the screensaver and locks me out :(
[04:34] <thismamacooks200> fresh jaunty upgrade, cheese doesn't find my webcam, camorama doesn't find /dev/video0 (I have no /dev/vid* anything). lsbusb reports a "Bus 002 Device 002: ID 0545:800c Xirlink, Inc. Veo StingRay"
[04:35] <forces> os[Linux 2.6.28-11-generic i686] distro[Ubuntu "karmic" 9.10] cpu[2 x Genuine Intel(R) CPU           T2400  @ 1.83GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 1000MHz] mem[Physical: 2.0GB, 81.2% free] disk[Total: 206.0GB, 67.1% free] video[Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller] sound[HDA-Intel - HDA Intel]
[04:36]  * forces is using karmic
[04:36] <forces> :P
[04:37] <thismamacooks200> :P? whats the emoticon for 'krazy'?
[04:41] <fregoMT> anyone know where xorg.conf is for xubuntu?
[04:41] <fregoMT> or the equivalent?
[04:41] <fregoMT> I've got a laptop stuck in 800x600 resolution
[04:42] <thismamacooks200> xorg.conf is in /ext/X11/, unless something reall weird was done. but xorg.conf is nearly obsolete now anyhow. have you tried xrandr ?
[04:43] <thismamacooks200> sorry /etc/x11/
[04:44] <tyko> hi all, just wondering if xubuntu 9.04 uses the new ubuntu notification system ...
[04:45] <fregoMT> thismamacooks200>  no I haven't tried xrandr
[04:45] <fregoMT> googling...
[04:46] <thismamacooks200> somthing like "xrander --output  VGA --mode 1024x768" but instead of "VGA" you'll have to use the name of your output. and "1024x768" might be different also. use "xrandr -q" to find out your output names and modes
[04:48] <thismamacooks200> on a laptop, you may have "LDVS" also. Generally the "VGA" varient is merely a copy of it and you should try the VGA first.
[04:48] <noobsoup> is there any way to disable screen savers without going to settings manager->screensavers ? every time my screensaver comes on it turns off the monitor and locks me out of my system :( when i try to turn it off through the settings manager it previews the screensaver and locks me out :(
[04:49] <thismamacooks200> oh, use "xrander --output  VGA --mode 800x600" first. that way, if the second command-line leaves you blind you can press the <up arrow> and <return> to get you display back
[04:50] <fregoMT> will give that a whirl thismamacooks200> and report back!
[04:50] <fregoMT> Thanks!
[04:51]  * thismamacooks200 afk
[05:04]  * thismamacooks200 bak
[06:51] <harej> I am trying to install Xubuntu to a volume which is not the main ATA hard drive. The installation fails when Grub fails to execute. I tried solving this problem, but I have no reason to believe Grub exists at all in my system. How can I install Grub, then?
[07:18] <brandon_> need some assistance getting a t40 with the cisco card talking wpa - if anyone's around TIA
[07:19] <Mat-Cauthon> um... since changing to 9.04 xfce gets quite slow when enabling display compositing. wasn't the case with 8.10. is this a known problem?
[07:20] <brandon_> i think they're all asleep ;)
[07:20] <SiDi> hi hi
[07:20] <SiDi> Mat-Cauthon: check your drivers
[07:20] <SiDi> esp if you have an intel/sis card
[07:20] <SiDi> There's a new x.org version with 9.04, so if your GPU manufacturer didnt make new drivers that'd explain why it's slow
[07:21]  * SiDi goes to shower now :O
[07:22] <Mat-Cauthon> it's an intel 4500mhd onboard thingy, actually
[07:27] <Mat-Cauthon> so how would i go about checking the driver? :p
[07:43] <gabkdlly> Mat-Cauthon: Applications -> System -> Hardware Drivers
[07:43] <gabkdlly> might be what you are looking for
[07:43] <Mat-Cauthon> nothing in there
[07:43] <Mat-Cauthon> and wasn't before ;)
[07:46] <SiDi> MrNaz: fix your client please
[07:47] <SiDi> Mat-Cauthon: intel cards are having trouble
[07:47] <SiDi> Afaik, it's being investigated by Intel
[07:47] <SiDi> The best is to disable composite transparency by the meanwhile
[07:48] <Mat-Cauthon> well yea, i've done that already, since it was quite annoying ^^
[07:48] <Mat-Cauthon> so if a fix was released by intel, how would i get it?
[07:49] <Mat-Cauthon> wait until it's implemented into the kernel, which will then eventually make it to the ubuntu repo?
[07:49] <SiDi> http://www.geekosophical.net/?p=263
[07:49] <SiDi> Mat-Cauthon: via automatic updates
[07:49] <SiDi> If the drivers are fixed there will be an update
[07:50] <SiDi> Anyways you should wait for either Intel devs / Ubuntu devs / Debian devs to have an official fix.
[07:50] <SiDi> I can't recommand you any workaround for GPU drivers.
[07:50] <SiDi> It's too critical :P
[07:51] <Mat-Cauthon> fair enough
[07:51] <Mat-Cauthon> i suppose i can do without transparent windows for a couple of days ;)
[07:51] <Mat-Cauthon> well, thanks for the advice
[07:51] <cr4z3d> i just upgraded to 9.04 and trying to get nautilus as my default file manager. i came across an article telling me to edit menu.xml but it seems this is obsolete in the new xfce version. how can i do this?
[07:52] <SiDi> You're welcome Mat-Cauthon
[07:53] <SiDi> cr4z3d: i don't know if its possible to make it completely default
[07:53] <SiDi> for instance, we use thunar-volman for the usb keys and such stuff, and this will relay on thunar
[07:54] <SiDi> but you can add a "nautilus --no-desktop" launcher on your panel, for instance
[07:54] <SiDi> as for the menu, edit it with alacarte (i don't guarantee the changes will make it to the xfce menu, you may then have to tweak your .desktop files in ~/.local/share/applications/)
[07:58] <cr4z3d> SiDi: thanks for the information
[08:03] <div0> hello!! how to set screen resolution to 1280x1024? Intel 945G Chipset. Driver "intel". Maximum - 1360x768 :(
[08:05] <SiDi> hi div0
[08:06] <div0> SiDi, hi :)
[08:06] <SiDi> Are you under jaunty ?
[08:06] <div0> yes
[08:06] <SiDi> then i don't know :P
[08:06] <div0> oh
[08:06] <SiDi> Jaunty Intel drivers are not very good at the moment, and i don't have any intel card, so i can't help
[08:06] <SiDi> feel free to try #ubuntu though
[08:06] <SiDi> !xorg
[08:06] <FlyOnThe1all> already did ;P
[08:07] <SiDi> Check this also
[08:07] <div0> SiDi, thanks :)
[08:07] <SiDi> but i'm not sure wether it'll work or not
[08:09] <div0> I tested it
[08:53] <owen1> in many sites i visit (github is a good example) the text is smashed and unreadable. only hovering with the mouse 'cleans' it. any ideas?
[08:59] <R1coch3t> change resolution
[09:05] <owen1> R1coch3t: interesting. it only happends with some sites though.
[09:53] <_Pete_> rehi
[09:53] <_Pete_> after latest updates my favourite sysmonitor gkrellm decided to double it's width and now looks bad
[09:53] <_Pete_> anyidea what might be causing that? Already tried to change fonts smaller but no effect to widht
[10:09] <Rapachooie> hi all
[10:09] <Rapachooie> wondering how I can autostart applications in xfce, as per "sessions" in gnome
[10:21] <gharz> guys, i'm using 8.10... why is it that when i minimize an application, the application doesn't show in my panel so i can click on it to restore the app?
[10:24] <gharz> guys, i've installed xubuntu-desktop on top of my ubuntu... i've noticed that when i minimize an application, the application icon doesn't show on the panel/taskbar so that i could just click on it to restore... how do i fix this?
[10:34] <wtv> how to change the number of workspaces to 4?
[11:15] <WikiZ> i have been following this guide http://grumpymole.blogspot.com/2006/12/xubuntu-remote-desktop-with-vnc4server.html to install vncserver on my xubuntu machine, but when i connect to the machine i just get the screen here the mouse is a X and so forth, anyone know what could possibly be wrong?
[11:18] <ablomen> WikiZ, it doesnt start a desktop manager session
[11:19] <ablomen> WikiZ, if you get a normal gdm, look at the session button
[11:19] <WikiZ> session button?
[11:19] <WikiZ> there is no button at all
[11:20] <ablomen> oh you dont even get a login screen
[11:20] <WikiZ> nope
[11:20] <WikiZ> just gray bg and the cross
[11:20] <ablomen> WikiZ, tehn look at the gdm part again
[11:21] <ablomen> i think it might be on this part: RemoteGreeter=/usr/lib/gdm/gdmlogin". not sure though, cant test it myself
[11:21] <WikiZ> thats already fixed
[11:22] <WikiZ> nothing wrong in that config
[11:22] <WikiZ> double checked that 100 times already
[11:32] <WikiZ> seems like there is a known bug
[11:32] <WikiZ> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+source/vnc4/+bug/78282
[11:53] <ramrod> can anyone help, i try to play audio cds with mcdp and it always says "Sorry, can't open cd-device "/dev/cdrom1" !"
[11:53] <ramrod> doesnt matter what dev i try to start
[12:25] <gharz> guys, i've installed xubuntu-desktop on my ubuntu... and now i want to completely uninstall it... how do it remove it completely?
[12:26] <TheSheep> sudo apt-get remove xubuntu-desktop && sudo apt-get autoremove
[12:28] <wtv> how do i change the keyboard layout from UK to US?
[12:28] <TheSheep> !layout | wtv
[12:29] <wtv> !shortcuts
[12:39] <wtv> TheSheep: that didn't help
[12:40] <wtv> i edited the xorg.conf file but the layout is still uk, which i want to change to us
[12:41] <_Pete_> btw, what's different between uk/us layouts?
[12:42] <TheSheep> wtv: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/810#X.Org%20Input%20Devices
[12:42] <TheSheep> _Pete_: some keys are in differnet places, there is a £ and no `
[12:46] <wtv> if i use sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup, will it be applicable to all DEs on my system?
[12:46] <wtv> i have 4
[14:08] <basajaun> hi all
[14:19] <kromar1> so since disk manager disapeared with 9.04, what app is able to mount my ntfs drives on boot?
[14:23] <forces> nano and /etc/fstab
[14:33] <Ruadh> Hi all
[14:34] <Pres-Gas> Hey, Ruadh
[14:35] <Pres-Gas> Okay, so I goofed and installed desktop forgetting that it does not seem to allow setting a static IP.  Has anyone seen improvement with Network Manager and static IPs for 9.04?
[14:44] <Mat-Cauthon> does anyone know of a music player for linux of the likes of foobar2000?
[14:45] <Whisper> i have been following this guide http://grumpymole.blogspot.com/2006/12/xubuntu-remote-desktop-with-vnc4server.html to install vncserver on my xubuntu machine, but when i connect to the machine i just get the screen here the mouse is a X and so forth, anyone know what could possibly be wrong?
[14:47] <tavasti> Whisper, in your ~/.vnc/xstartup should be something which starts 'client' programs to your vnc session
[14:47] <tavasti> window manager etc
[14:48] <tavasti> like this:
[14:48] <Whisper> dont have that file at
[14:48] <Whisper> at all
[14:48] <tavasti> #!/bin/sh
[14:48] <tavasti> xrdb $HOME/.Xresources
[14:48] <tavasti> x-window-manager &
[14:48] <charlie-tca> !pastebin
[14:49] <tavasti> charlie-tca, is even 3 lines too much?
[14:49] <charlie-tca> No, I thought it was much longer
[14:49] <ball> I just filed my first Xubuntu bug
[14:49] <charlie-tca> you're fine
[14:49] <Whisper> charlie-tca noone else is talking right now, if there was several discussions going on youre right
[14:49] <ball> ...I wonder what happens next
[14:49] <charlie-tca> ball, what is the bug number?
[14:49] <Whisper> tavasti well, how come i dont even have that file?
[14:49] <ball> 368614
[14:50] <charlie-tca> I bugsquad member will look at it and see if you have enough information for the developers to work it.
[14:50] <charlie-tca> bug 368614
[14:50]  * charlie-tca kicks the robot!
[14:50] <tavasti> Whisper, I suppose that has to be created by hand
[14:50] <Whisper> is those lines all i need?
[14:51] <tavasti> chmod 755  ~/.vnc/xstartup
[14:51] <ball> charlie-tca: can you think of any additional information that I should include?
[14:51] <tavasti> that should be enough
[14:51] <ball> (that will help them)
[14:51] <charlie-tca> I am looking now
[14:52] <tavasti> IMHO, it would be nice if default xstartup file would be created automatically :-(
[14:52] <Whisper> tavasti still the same
[14:53] <charlie-tca> add the /var/xorg.0.log using "add a comment/attachment" line
[14:53] <tavasti> Whisper, you have to kill your vncserver, and start new
[14:53] <tavasti> like 'vncserver -kill :1'
[14:53] <charlie-tca> also going to need the output of lspci -vvnn as a text file
[14:54] <Whisper> its running via xinetd
[14:54] <Whisper> tavasti restarted xinetd, still no go
[14:55] <tavasti> ps ax | grep vnc
[14:55] <tavasti> kill that process
[14:55] <Whisper> i have no such process
[14:55] <tavasti> BTW, how is that configured to run from xinetd, by what user, etc?
[14:56] <Whisper> user whisper
[14:56] <ball> I don't have a /var/xorg.0.log
[14:56] <tavasti> do you have any log files in ~/.vnc ?
[14:56] <ball> Ah, it's in /var/log
[14:57] <tavasti> and pid file?
[14:57] <Whisper> nope
[14:57] <tavasti> hmm, which vnc variant you have installed?
[14:57] <tavasti> I have tightvnc, that may behave differently
[14:58] <Whisper> http://grumpymole.blogspot.com/2006/12/xubuntu-remote-desktop-with-vnc4server.html
[14:58] <Whisper> used that guide
[14:58] <Whisper> vnc4server
[14:59] <ball> charlie-tca: thanks a lot for that.
[14:59] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[14:59] <Whisper> tavasti tightvnc server you say?
[15:00] <Whisper> i guess i could try that one, know any good howto?
[15:00] <tavasti> no, don't bother
[15:00] <tavasti> -query localhost
[15:01] <tavasti> It tries to connect local gdm/xdm/kdm, which ever you have installed
[15:01] <tavasti> 1) do you have any of those running
[15:02] <Whisper> yeah, im logged in at the computer
[15:02] <tavasti> 2) does it service xdmcp request
[15:02] <Whisper> in xfce
[15:03] <Whisper> yepp
[15:03] <Whisper> but i read something about a bug causing this in the latest version
[15:04] <tavasti> do you have xnest installed?
[15:04] <tavasti> try ' Xnest -query localhost  :1 '
[15:05] <Whisper> nope, have to apt it
[15:05] <tavasti> at least in my system I get normal, grey X, since I haven't turned xdmcp on
[15:05] <tavasti> apt-get install xnest
[15:07] <Whisper> tavasti you want me to run that in the vnc session or what?
[15:07] <tavasti> No, run that locally
[15:07] <Whisper> okay
[15:07] <Whisper> gave me a black window
[15:08] <tavasti> black?
[15:08] <Whisper> yeah
[15:08] <Whisper> had some error in terminal. gimme a sec and ill pastebin it
[15:08] <tavasti> anyway, gdm is not serving you, configuring gdm needed
[15:09]  * genii suspects "no usable screens found"
[15:09] <tavasti> gdmsetup may do the trick, or configuring /etc/gdm/*
[15:10] <tavasti> sorry, gotta go ->
[15:10] <Whisper> no http://pastebay.com/12308
[15:12] <Mat-Cauthon> does anyone know of a music player for linux of the likes of foobar2000?
[15:13] <Whisper> songbird?
[15:13] <ladanz> Hi there, i have a little problem: it seems that my notification-area and my notes-plugin doesn't save options like "no border" or "always on top". any suggestions?
[15:14] <dojero> Hello to all
[15:14] <Mat-Cauthon> i've tried songbird and didn't like it... too clustered
[15:15] <charlie-tca> !hi | dojero
[15:15] <Mat-Cauthon> und too uncomfortable/slow i guess
[15:15] <dojero> I'm currently using Xubuntu 8.10 and just tried out the live CD of 9.04.  Ran into some problems I thought someone here might be able to help me with.
[15:15] <charlie-tca> !question | dojero
[15:16] <dojero> Sorry...
[15:16] <dojero> The CTRL-Escape key didn't work for invoking the menu.  Is there a way to implement that?
[15:18] <Mat-Cauthon> settings->keyboard->app shortcuts->add xfce4-popup-menu on ctrl+esc
[15:18] <dojero> Great...what about the hotkeys on my keyboard for volume up/down/mute (FN-F10, Fn-F11, FN-f12)?
[15:19] <Mat-Cauthon> that one i'd be interested in, too - fn-left/right here, worked in 8.10, doesn't work now
[15:19] <Mat-Cauthon> though fn-up/down for setting the brightness does still work
[15:19] <charlie-tca> You have to add them in the same place
[15:20] <dojero> charlie-tca: add them using aumix definitions?
[15:20] <charlie-tca> Yes
[15:21] <Mat-Cauthon> well, that's possible, but i wonder why they don't work by default anymore, with the lovely (not obtrusive) hud and all
[15:21] <ollie_> Hi, after having installed Jaunty, XFCE seems broken. It's acting as if the "Allow XFCE to manage this desktop" option is disabled, but I can't see the option in Settings -> Desktop to enable it.
[15:21] <charlie-tca> Too many combinations to try and define them in advance. It depends on the keyboard.
[15:21] <dojero> Great...thanks to Mat-Cauthon and charlie-tca
[15:21] <ollie_> Also, on the login page it says, "Would you like to make XFCE.desktop your default session? XFCE Session is not installed on this computer"
[15:22] <Mat-Cauthon> but fn-left just sends XF86AudioLowerVolume on my laptop, why doesn't it catch that?
[15:23] <charlie-tca> It is not defined, is it?
[15:23] <dojero> The command has to be amixer set Master 2-
[15:23] <dojero> Or whatever your main volume is and however much lower you want it to go.
[15:23] <Mat-Cauthon> no, but neither are the shortcuts for setting the display brightness, and neither were they in 8.10
[15:24] <charlie-tca> Xfce 4.6 changed a lot of configurations things. It is not the same as 8.10
[15:25] <charlie-tca> ollie_: telling it yes allows it to set the correct options to manage the desktop now.
[15:25] <dojero> The last problem was weird...I went to a video site and my Syntek webcam turned on by itself...and I couldn't turn it off...it's the built in camera on my Asus laptop
[15:26] <ollie_> 5:25:05 < charlie-tca> ollie_: telling it yes allows it to set the correct  options to manage the desktop now.
[15:26] <ollie_> I can't see the option though
[15:26] <ollie_> In settings manager -> Desktop, it looks like the GNOME desktop settings ;c
[15:26] <ollie_> and there is no option to allow it
[15:26] <ollie_> it was working fine up until the jaunty update
[15:27] <Mat-Cauthon> what command would i set a shortcut for if i wanted to get the hud feedback when changing my volume?
[15:27] <dojero> The Syntek webcam has never gotten along with Xubuntu (or Kubuntu before that, for that matter), but I was hoping things might improve in 9.4
[15:27] <charlie-tca> It is automatic when you let it be the default session. If xfce-session is not running, it won't manage the desktop
[15:28] <ollie_> charlie-tca: I am using xfce at the moment
[15:28] <ollie_> the option isn't there in Desktop settings
[15:29] <charlie-tca> no, it is not in 9.04
 Also, on the login page it says, "Would you like to make XFCE.desktop your default session? XFCE Session is not installed on this computer"
[15:29] <charlie-tca> tell it yes
[15:30] <ollie_> I did
[15:30] <ollie_> just now
[15:30] <ollie_> still not working
[15:31] <kromar> how do i play files with amarok?
[15:34] <ollie_> charlie-tca: any idea?
[15:35] <dojero> I'm guessing that no one has any ideas about the Syntek camera problem?
[15:39] <charlie-tca> ollie_: try ctrl+Alt+F2 and run xfce4-session
[15:40] <ollie_> ok
[15:42] <ollie_> charlie-tca: Gtk warning, cannot open display
[15:45] <gorgut> can someone tell me where the script is that tells mono to start at login?
[15:45] <charlie-tca> I am out of ideas, ollie_
[15:46] <ollie_> ;[
[15:46] <ollie_> very annoying
[15:46] <ollie_> I tried going into GNOME a minute ago
[15:46] <ollie_> and I can't right click the desktop
[15:46] <ollie_> heh
[15:46] <ollie_> but everything else appears OK
[15:46] <ollie_> although tehre are no desktop icons on gnome either
[15:46] <ollie_> ;c
[15:47] <ollie_> gonna try booting into intripid again
[15:47] <gorgut> charlie-tca, any idea why /usr/bin/mono runs whenever I log in?
[15:47] <charlie-tca> nope
[15:48] <charlie-tca> Something you added that needs it.
[15:48] <gorgut> ugh. uses all the CPU for some reason. It's almost worth uninstalling Tomboy
[15:48] <charlie-tca> It is not default for jaunty
[15:48] <gorgut> yeah I had to install it for Tomboy
[15:49] <gorgut> i can't find ANYTHING that's telling it to run
[15:49] <charlie-tca> It starts then because Tomboy requires it just to run. Does Tomboy show up in the panel?
[15:49] <ollie_> ;c
[15:49] <ollie_> broken on this kernel too
[15:49] <ollie_> if I do apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop, will that remove GNOME
[15:49] <gorgut> Yeah, i have tomboy running in the panel, but Tomboy runs fine without it after I kill it in htop
[15:49] <ollie_> but leave xfce?
[15:49] <ollie_> -.-
[15:50] <charlie-tca> ollie_: sounds like maybe the user config files might have wrong permissions
[15:50] <ollie_> where are they located?
[15:50] <charlie-tca> ~/home/USER_NAME/.???
[15:51] <charlie-tca> If you do ls -lA in a terminal, you can see who owns the files. Root should not be owner
[15:52] <charlie-tca> gorgut: I don't know why it should work without mono. If Tomboy runs in the panel on startup, mono will start.
[15:52] <ollie_> ollie@ollie-ubuntu:~$ ls -lah | grep root|more
[15:52] <ollie_> drwxr-xr-x  5 root  root   4.0K 2008-04-01 11:00 ..
[15:52] <ollie_> -rw-------  1 root  root   1.0K 2008-07-09 10:52 .rnd
[15:52] <ollie_> -rw-------  1 root  root    653 2009-03-06 12:31 .Xauthority
[15:52] <ollie_> don't think they're important?
[15:53] <ollie_> gonna see if logging in as root makes a difference
[15:53] <knome> Mark Shuttleworth answers your questions few minutes (15-17UTC) on #ubuntu-classroom. Questions on #ubuntu-classroom-chat.
[15:54] <charlie-tca> owner should be ollie, not root, of all files in /home/ollie
[15:54] <charlie-tca> what about in /home/ollie/.config ?
[15:54] <ollie_> drwxr-xr-x 19 ollie ollie  4.0K 2009-04-28 15:33 .config
[15:55] <charlie-tca> You can use chown -r to change owner to ollie of all your home files. That might be what is wrong.
[15:56] <charlie-tca> Is your intrepid install using the same /home?
[15:58] <ollie_> yeah
[15:58] <ollie_> it's not actually a seperate isntall
[15:58] <ollie_> heh
[15:58] <ollie_> I meant the kernel intrepid was using
[15:58] <ollie_> not that it would make much of a difference
[15:59] <ollie_> seems something in the update broke it anyway
[16:00] <ollie_> charlie-tca: if I remove xubuntu-desktop and reinstall it, I won't lose any data, rite?
[16:00] <charlie-tca> The config files from intrepid to jaunty changed too much. They can't use a common /home/ollie/.config at least
[16:01] <charlie-tca> When jaunty changes the files, intrepid can't use them anymore.
[16:04]  * ollie_ grumbles
[16:04] <ollie_> it works if I login as root
[16:05] <charlie-tca> Then chown -r ollie:ollie /home/ollie
[16:05] <ollie_> oot@ollie-ubuntu:/home# chown ollie.ollie -R ollie/
[16:05] <ollie_> doing it nao
[16:05] <ollie_> chown: cannot access `ollie/.gvfs': Permission denied
[16:05] <ollie_> o
[16:05] <charlie-tca> normal
[16:05] <ollie_> mk
[16:05] <ollie_> well brb
[16:05] <charlie-tca> oh, gotta use sudo
[16:06] <ollie_> \o/
[16:06] <ollie_> still broken
[16:06] <ollie_> ;p
[16:07] <charlie-tca> did it with sudo, to change the owner from root?
[16:07] <charlie-tca> then log out/log in
[16:09] <ollie_> 16:07:18 < charlie-tca> did it with sudo, to change the owner from root?
[16:09] <ollie_> 16:07:27 < charlie-tca> then log out/log in
[16:09] <ollie_> I already su'd to root
[16:09] <ollie_> works when I create a new user though
[16:09] <ollie_> so w/e
[16:10] <ollie_> I'll just delete that user and recreate it
[16:10] <charlie-tca> Because if you su'd to root, it kept ownership
[16:10] <ollie_> why would su'ing to root keep my users ownership o.O
[16:10] <charlie-tca> Using sudo keeps you the owner
[16:10] <charlie-tca> sudo chown -r is different than becoming root
[16:11] <charlie-tca> I don't understand it, I just have fought with it
[16:11] <ollie_> uh huh
[16:11] <ollie_> don't worry
[16:11] <ollie_> i'll just delete the user and recreate
[16:12] <charlie-tca> okay
[16:14] <Mat-Cauthon> hmpf, how do i get back the volume osd i had with 8.10?
[16:15] <charlie-tca> Not sure what you mean, Mat-Cauthon
[16:15] <charlie-tca> In the panel?
[16:16] <ollie_> meh
[16:16] <ollie_> well
[16:16] <ollie_> this works
[16:16] <Mat-Cauthon> no, i used to get an osd when using the fn-keys on my laptop for changing volume
[16:16] <Mat-Cauthon> i still get that osd when changing the brightness via fn-keys, but not for the volume anymore
[16:17] <Mat-Cauthon> well, using my fn-keys for changing the volume now doesn't work in the first place, unless i manually add a shortcut, as i've mentioned before, so..
[16:34] <Mat-Cauthon> is it possible to get a mouse cursor in inverted colors (i.e. the colors should change according to where the mouse pointer rests)?
[16:40] <TheSheep> Mat-Cauthon: I don't think so, even if you could, I would advise against
[16:41] <Whisper> what package is the make tools in?
[16:41] <charlie-tca> build-essential ?
[16:41] <TheSheep> Whisper: install build-essential package, it will give you a whole set of tools
[16:43] <Whisper> thanks :)
[16:44] <Mat-Cauthon> why would you do that TheSheep?
[16:45] <Besogon> I bought Wireless LAN Adapter and installed it. There haven't Wifi internet else (I hope I going tocreate it). OK. When I typed "ifconfig" I have apperaed to interfaces: wlan0 and wmaster0... What are they mean??????? I only whant to know.
[16:46] <TheSheep> Mat-Cauthon: it's hard to spot and tiring for the eyes
[16:46] <Mat-Cauthon> err, no, the point is that it is _easier_ to see
[16:47] <Mat-Cauthon> since the colors are always opposite to those of the background
[16:47] <charlie-tca> Besogon: wlan0 is the wireless adapter, wlan is used instead of eth
[16:48] <Besogon> charlie-tca, And what does mean wmaster?
[16:48] <Besogon> wmaster0
[16:48] <charlie-tca> I don't know.
[16:48] <charlie-tca> !wireless
[16:48] <Besogon> wlan0     Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:22:15:71:21:89
[16:48] <Besogon> wmaster0  Link encap:UNSPEC  HWaddr 00-22-15-71-21-89-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00
[16:49] <charlie-tca> Is it a wireless router?
[16:50] <Besogon> It is Asus WL-138g v2 (It can translate internet and receive)
[16:51] <Besogon> PCI card
[16:53] <charlie-tca> Maybe that is what the wmaster0 is for, I don't know.
[16:55] <Besogon> Like said in my country: dick knows, but it is working
[16:57] <charlie-tca> Yeah, that's it!
[17:49] <genii> the wmaster0 is the USB  bridge to the wlan0
[17:49] <J_Litewski1> really?
[17:49] <J_Litewski1> i got a wmaster0 for my PCMIA card
[17:50] <J_Litewski1> wmaster1 is for my USB dongle
[17:51] <J_Litewski1> anyways, is there a way to change where lib-notify pop-ups show up?
[17:52] <J_Litewski1> it's kind of annoying having them pop up at the bottom right-hand corner
[18:04] <binskipy2u> hey everyone.. is XFCE that much faster then Gnome/Kde , is it "that" much lighter then each?
[18:04] <binskipy2u> i mean that noticeable
[18:04] <charlie-tca> lighter
[18:05] <charlie-tca> If you don't install all the software of gnome and kde.
[18:06] <binskipy2u> proberly only install k3b
[18:06] <binskipy2u> cause i like it better then brassero
[18:07] <J_Litewski1> charlie-tca, is there any way to change where libnotify popups appear?
[18:07] <binskipy2u> is the speed differences.. etc. worth it to go from ubuntu 9.04 to xubuntu 9.04
[18:07] <charlie-tca> J_Litewski1: Not to my knowledge
[18:09] <charlie-tca> binskipy2u: depends on your hardware
[18:09] <binskipy2u> its a triplecore 64bit processor w/4gigs ram
[18:09] <charlie-tca> My old PII 400Mhz won't work hardly with Ubuntu
[18:09] <binskipy2u> dont care about compiz, or wobbly windows
[18:10] <zoredache> you probably won't notice much of a difference given that your system is so fast
[18:10] <kromar> you have a phenom II x3?
[18:12] <binskipy2u> just a 9 month old triplecore 8450
[18:12] <binskipy2u> phenom plain
[18:13] <kromar> any idea how i can increase the volume on my system? since 9.04 the volume seems very limited
[18:15] <cyberfree> motd
[18:15] <tmurase> kromar: how are you trying to raise the volume?
[18:16] <tmurase> I find that most of my memory still goes to firefox ;)
[18:16] <kromar> tmurase: well i added a mixer to the taskbar and there is everything maxed out
[18:17] <tmurase> kromar: under properties which "sound card" is selected?
[18:17] <kromar> properties?
[18:17] <kromar> in the mixer or where?
[18:17] <tmurase> er, in the mixer
[18:18] <SiDi> tmurase: feel free to try opera./midori  ;)
[18:18] <kromar> Realtek ALC8B9A (OSS Mixer)
[18:18] <tmurase> SiDi: I'm a noscript diehard :)
[18:18] <SiDi> wee, i'm not the only one with volume decreased since jaunty !
[18:18] <SiDi> (actually i think i ran into all the known bugs at a time :d)
[18:18] <tmurase> kromar: no alsa or pulseaudio "sound cards" available in the mixer?
[18:18] <kromar> nope
[18:19] <tmurase> huh
[18:19] <knome> SiDi, you definitely should be on our bug squad! ;)
[18:19] <kromar> in 8.10 i had a app in the settings to set the sound but now its gone, maybe thats the problem?
[18:19]  * charlie-tca thinks SiDi is special, found every known bug at one go
[18:20] <charlie-tca> Other people only get to find one or two at a time, SiDi
[18:20] <knome> totally!
[18:20] <knome> that is true talent
[18:20] <charlie-tca> tmurase: should not be pulseaudio in Xubuntu
[18:20] <kromar> ok i installed GNOME ALSA mixer and there i can turn the volume higher
[18:21] <SiDi> charlie-tca: i wrote a bug report for keyboard shortcuts
[18:21] <tmurase> charlie-tca: but oss only?
[18:21] <SiDi> and 3/4 guys came with same bug and a fix
[18:21] <SiDi> it worked
[18:21] <SiDi> for them
[18:21] <knome> bigger than the ugly lady on the britains talent ;>
[18:21] <charlie-tca> I saw it, SiDi. Got two or three confirming it, but it is hard to tell if they are seeing the same thing
[18:21] <SiDi> Yeh
[18:22] <SiDi> anyways the default keyboard shortcuts file is broken for me
[18:22] <charlie-tca> tmurase: no, alsa should have been there
[18:22] <SiDi> since i resetted it to default
[18:22] <SiDi> and i'm on 4.6.1 now, still same problem
[18:22] <charlie-tca> Yeah, that makes me think they don't have the same bug
[18:24] <SiDi> charlie-tca: i noticed some weird error messages from scim today
[18:24] <SiDi> so i'll just kick scim's butt later and see if my keyboard goes better
[18:24] <SiDi> whats weird tho is that xfwm4's shortcuts and gnome-keybinding-properties' ones just work
[18:24] <charlie-tca> scim, too?
[18:26] <SiDi> charlie-tca: you'll be at the UDS, right ?
[18:26] <charlie-tca> no
[18:26] <SiDi> aw
[18:27] <charlie-tca> medical condition
[18:27] <SiDi> ew
[18:27] <charlie-tca> I will be there in spirit
[18:27] <SiDi> Okey :)
[18:27] <SiDi> in video, too ?
[18:27] <charlie-tca> no
[18:28] <SiDi> in irc, at least ? :o
[18:28] <charlie-tca> irc, gobby, icecast
[18:30] <tmurase> I have to say, I'm not missing gnome at all now with the latest xubuntu
[18:31] <charlie-tca> :-)
[18:31] <tmurase> I'm sure that will make Jorge cry ;)
[18:38] <Idespnnr> tmurase: what differences have you noticed between xfce and gnome?
[18:40] <tmurase> Not a whole lot, but that's probably due to the fact I moved from vanilla ubuntu
[18:40] <tmurase> I can see in comparing with my sole remaining gnome box that the overall xfce environment is lighter in terms of resources
[19:06] <daftdasplat> smile
[19:06] <daftdasplat> bye
[19:07] <SiDi> do we have any ISO image below 250 MB available via torrent ?
[19:28] <zoredache> SiDi: you can download the mini.iso of the web site (~12mb)
[19:28] <zoredache> you must have working network access to install
[19:29] <Besogon> SiDi, Puppy linux ISO 100Mb about
[19:30] <SiDi> Besogon: thanks
[19:30] <SiDi> zoredache: i wanna download some torrent stuff ;)
[19:50] <J_Litewski> http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=14819787 <-- my dream computer
[20:02] <Mood> is there a bug with the new xubuntu/xfce clock?
[20:03] <Mood> when i hover over it, it still shows Apr 24 Friday, but the display is correct
[20:32] <jeidson> anyone have advice on how to connect to a windows vpn server that is using pptp. I'm using xubuntu 8.04. and have tried suggestions from internet
[20:33] <jeidson> So far I tried using networkmanager-pptp but the only option I get is manual setup.
[20:34] <jeidson> I have been unable to get a connection with kvpnc either.
[20:36] <Besogon> jeidson, I did it year ago
[20:37] <jeidson> Besogon, Do you remember how you got it to work, or have things changed too much?
[20:38] <Besogon> OK. See routes. (May be easer way for you it install new Network manager).
[20:40] <jeidson> Besogon, OK. I will try that.
[20:41] <Besogon> When you connect to VPN server, ypur host will change and Your computer cant find DNS servers. For resolve that you must write routes in script for pptp-up or somewere else
[20:41] <J_Litewski> how do i change my wired connection settings?
[20:41] <J_Litewski> the Edit button is grayed out when i go into Edit Connections
[20:44] <Besogon> J_Litewski, https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/internet/C/troubleshooting.html (Did you try that?)
[21:14] <J_Litewski> where is libnotify/notify.h?
[21:17] <SiDi>  /usr/include/
[21:17] <SiDi> looking for something in particular with libnotify ?
[21:19] <chewit> Just out of interest, is there any speed tweaks I can use in Xfce or Xubuntu (as a whole)?
[21:19] <J_Litewski> i'm screwing around with making C programs
[21:19] <J_Litewski> and thinking about writing a plugin for the xfce4 terminal if something happens
[21:22] <genii> chewit: For load time you can put in the kernel load line for 1 time the option "profile"
[21:23] <J_Litewski> there is no libnotify folder in /usr/include/
[21:24] <chewit> genii, where would i change the kernel load time?
[21:24] <chewit> oh i know what u mean
[21:24] <chewit> i have already done that
[21:25] <genii> chewit: How much RAM on the system?
[21:26] <Haris_> hi all
[21:26] <chewit> 256MB
[21:27] <chewit> i am after speed tweaks on the desktop, not bothered about boot time
[21:27] <Haris_> does anyone know where can i find a list of laptops supported by xubuntu?
[21:27] <genii> chewit: If you had a larger amount of ram, you could make a ramdisk and run some part of your fs from it.
[21:29] <chewit> oh
[21:31] <cody-somerville> Haris_, Xubuntu should run just fine on most laptops
[21:31] <Haris_> thnx cody... i was thinking about installing ubuntu
[21:32] <Haris_> but seems like it doesnt really go well on hp 530, the lptp i have
[21:34] <tweaksource> the hp530 is about the same specs as my gateway mx8530 and i have no problems with ubuntu.
[21:34] <Haris_> so there is hope for me :)
[21:34] <tweaksource> In the past, I had to tweak drivers for IPW2200 and /or ATI divers, but not for the last few releases
[21:35] <J_Litewski> SiDi, /usr/include/ doesn't have a libnotify folder
[21:35] <tweaksource> Xubuntu may run smoother for you. Try both live discs!
[21:35] <SiDi> J_Litewski: it does here
[21:35] <SiDi> install libnotify-dev
[21:35] <J_Litewski> ah
[21:36] <tweaksource> Is there a boot code to run 'buntu live from ram?
[21:36] <genii> chewit: If you feel brave you can also use apt-build on the apps you most often are using. With an apt-build.conf file specifying compiler options which will build those apps tailored to your specific machine. But the gains overall are marginal.
[21:37] <artistxe> tweaksource, you mean like Puppy ?
[21:37] <Haris_> @tweaksource: thnx... will try both of them
[21:37] <tweaksource> Or , mandriva, etc.
[21:37] <chewit> ok genii, thanks
[21:37] <genii> chewit: np
[21:38] <tweaksource> MCNLive runs GREAT from ram. Ubuntu would smoke!
[21:38] <artistxe> not that I am aware of. that would be a plus that would not go unmentioned
[21:38] <artistxe> MCNLive ?
[21:39] <tweaksource> http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=mcnlive
[21:39] <tweaksource> Mandriva has improved a lot.
[21:39] <artistxe> KDE running from ram ?
[21:39] <tweaksource> Ubuntu still rules.
[21:39] <tweaksource> Yes, KDE from ram.
[21:39] <tweaksource> From usb flashdrive, no less.
[21:40] <J_Litewski> heh, Xubuntu would fly running from RAM
[21:40] <artistxe> not really a KDE fan here. check the name of this room ;)
[21:40] <J_Litewski> plus a SSD = epic
[21:40] <tweaksource> I agree, J_Litewski.
[21:41] <artistxe> J_Litewski, pfft. check out one of the many Puppy distros
[21:41] <tweaksource> Is puppy rpm-based?
[21:42] <J_Litewski> i mean, when i get my dream computer, Xubuntu will fly (since most of it will be run from RAM/GPU/NPU)
[21:42] <tweaksource> Quad-core netbook = dream-PC
[21:43] <tweaksource> What's NPU?
[21:43] <artistxe> tweaksource, no. but there is a way to get rpm and deb packages I have heard
[21:44] <J_Litewski> NPU = Network Processing Unit
[21:44] <J_Litewski> tweaksource: http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=14819787
[21:46] <tweaksource> artistxe: so no package manager at all?
[21:47] <tweaksource> thanks, J_Litewski
[21:48] <artistxe> tweaksource, yes. PupGet from the Puppy repos
[21:51] <artistxe> tweaksource, mind you. I only use it when I need to really need to bang my keyboard and fast switching between apps. I rolled my own version which I appropriately nickname " SlutPuppy"
[21:52] <zerothis> how often has this happened? <http://digg.com/linux_unix/Proprietary_Software_Can_Kill_You?FC=PRCK4>
[21:53] <tweaksource> Copy that. I've rolled a couple of custom distros. I'll check out the Puppy, too.
[21:53] <tweaksource> Remastersys works for me in ubuntu.
[21:54] <tweaksource> Peace out!
[21:54] <artistxe> later
[22:14] <J_Litewski> 51 packages need to be installed to use libnotify-dev
[22:16] <charlie-tca> heh, sounds like gnome again?
[22:17] <J_Litewski> heh
[22:17] <J_Litewski> i'm going to remove wine and most bluetooth support
[22:21]  * SiDi cries.
[22:22] <J_Litewski> since my lappy doesn't have bluetooth support, it's useless
[22:35] <MarcPV> hi there
[22:49] <BSE> SiDi: dont cry, little one.. it will be ok, uncle Tux will help you
[22:50] <SiDi> meh ! :P
[23:09] <tobi> I have a problem with acpi events
[23:09] <tobi> I've added a file to /etc/acpi/events
[23:09] <tobi>  and the event is fired
[23:09] <tobi> I can see it with acpi_listen
[23:09] <tobi> but the script isn't started
[23:13] <JPohlmann> Is the script marked executable?
[23:13] <JPohlmann> How does it look like?
[23:14] <tobi> /etc/acpi/events/thinkpad-swivel-down
[23:14] <tobi> event=ibm/hotkey HKEY 00000080 00005009
[23:14] <tobi> action=/etc/acpi/thinkpad-swivel-down.sh
[23:14] <tobi> and i can run thinkpad-swivel-down.shfrom the bash
[23:16] <JPohlmann> As root or whatever user runs acpid?
[23:17] <tobi> how can I check?
[23:18] <JPohlmann> ls -la /etc/acpi/thinkpad-swivel-down.sh
[23:18] <JPohlmann> Is the file in /etc/acpi/events executable as well?
[23:18] <JPohlmann> I'm not sure it has to be but you never know ...
[23:18] <tobi> no, no file in /etc/acpi/events is executable
[23:18] <JPohlmann> Hm, ok.


 you're also missing 100% of the standard SRU policy for Ubuntu - open a Launchpad bug requesting the SRU with the template, get approval from the Ubuntu Release Team, etc.
 SRU is *not* Lubuntu Only
 What are you refering to? Was there a deleted message? 😅 (re @teward001: you're also missing 100% of the standard SRU policy for Ubuntu - open a Launchpad bug requesting the SRU with the template, get approval from the Ubuntu Release Team, etc.)
 No, I gave him a ping about something yesterday. (re @Halis: What are you refering to? Was there a deleted message? 😅)
 Should the existing bug get converted to a SRU or should a new bug get created? (re @teward001: you're also missing 100% of the standard SRU policy for Ubuntu - open a Launchpad bug requesting the SRU with the template, get approval from the Ubuntu Release Team, etc.)
 i don't see the preexisting bug?
 is there an LP bug?
 there it is
 There is an existing launchpad bug report with the template described in the SRU wiki. I have also added the debdiffs.
 Once the packages are in proposed, I will add the lp tags (re @teward001: you're also missing 100% of the standard SRU policy for Ubuntu - open a Launchpad bug requesting the SRU with the template, get approval from the Ubuntu Release Team, etc.)
 so you're simply asking for a sponsor
 not many of those on the Lubuntu group right now :P
 i can do it but i'm in the middle of some work stuff at FT job
 question: why was sponsors NOT subscribed here?
 (part of the SRU process)
 'cause without being in sponsors NOBODY is going to pick it up unless they have upload rights and specifically are informed about it like here
 (it won't show up in the sponsoring report)
 Because the sponsoring is/was done Lubuntu internally via phab.
 gonna be honest, I think that's a bit of a broken process, because i think only really Walter and Simon truly understood how that works
 @kc2bez I think this falls in your purview?
 since you have to do changes, etc. on the phab side
 and there's dev work there that I just don't touch regarding merging into specific branches and such
 but with Phab starting to go the way of the dodo 'soon' we need a new process.
 I can handle the phab stuff. I was just hoping you could look over the other stuff to make sure it was on track.
 ok i'll have to review the diffs then
 FT job is keeping me headache levels busy atm
 I appreciate your help.
 When you get a chance of course.
 No need to hurry and thanks in advance
 @aptghetto revisions required
 we don't alter the package standards version when we're SRUing
 the rest looked ok though
 Thanks, will do it tomorrow


[00:09] <bkerensa> bdmurray: Should gnome-screenshot work when selecting the indicator-session if it should I could report that too
[01:17] <trinikage> hey guys i wanted to know if to close a bug 622185 since it was a needs packaging and now the package has landed in precise
[01:17] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 622185 in debian (and 1 other project) "[needs-packaging] bsnes (affects: 5) (heat: 14)" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/622185
[09:23] <sagaci> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/modemmanager/+pots/modemmanager/en_AU/6/+translate and https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/modemmanager/+pots/modemmanager/en_AU/8/+translate are bitesize bugs worth fixing as a starter
[14:15] <iceroot> :( launchpad has a timeout for adding something to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1 :( seems the number of comments is to big :( but there is a very important thing to add
[14:15] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 1 in tilix (and 26 other projects) "Microsoft has a majority market share (affects: 1145) (dups: 2) (heat: 5310)" [High,New]
[14:16] <iceroot> http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Desktop-Linux-increases-presence-1404957.html
[19:37]  * penguin42 has run out of ideas for the reporter of bug 880130 - I think it's udev timeout of sometype - anyone more familiar with those?
[19:37] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 880130 in linux (Ubuntu) "Computer locks up just after grub about 10% of boots (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/880130


[01:15] <thedarkone> anyone here
[01:41] <woski> hi
[01:41] <woski> i've a dilemma
[01:42] <woski> i can get my ir and lcd working (showing codes in irw), but how do it get them recognized by myth?
[02:21] <Shadow__X> woski, you need to have a lirc config file for myth
[02:26] <woski> how/where do i do that?
[02:29] <woski> i mean, what is the file in particular
[02:29] <Shadow__X> tell mythtv what to do with the codes
[02:29] <woski> cause Im sure i can find the mappings for my specific remote somewhere
[02:30] <woski> is it lircrc?
[02:30] <Shadow__X> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Remote_Controls
[02:31] <foxbuntu> woski, mythbuntu-lircrc-generator will get you started
[02:31] <Shadow__X> true
[02:31] <Shadow__X> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MCE_Remote by example lircrc as well
[02:31] <woski> im afraid to change anything as it took forever to get the ir/lcd working!  lol
[02:31] <foxbuntu> is it an MCE remote?
[02:32] <woski> its a rebadged imon pad
[02:32] <foxbuntu> well even still
[02:33] <woski> probably awfully similar to mce
[02:33] <foxbuntu> if the lircd.conf is in place to support the remote codes, (which can be tested with irw), mythbuntu-lircrc-generator will create the associated lircrc file to make the remote work with mythtv
[02:35] <woski> yeah, i'd read that somewhere about using mythbuntu-lircrc-generator.  but the only guide that i've found that supports my ir/lcd hardware removes mcc.  if i try to reinstall it, it breaks my ir. so it looks like i'll have to make it manually or find the file somewhere on the net that maps to my remote
[02:35] <foxbuntu> woski, no
[02:35] <foxbuntu> woski, mythbuntu-lircrc-generator is seperate from mcc
[02:36] <foxbuntu> mcc utilizes it, but it is indeed seperate
[02:36] <woski> oh ok, yes.  you're right... i misread
[02:36] <foxbuntu> woski, read where?
[02:36] <foxbuntu> what are you reading?
[02:37] <woski> what you said earlier
[02:37] <foxbuntu> oh
[02:37] <woski> sorry
[02:38] <woski> ok, its not installed.  now I'm afraid that if I install it, it'll depend on the other file that seems to break my IR.
[02:39] <woski> im paranoid because it takes so long to get back to working :)
[02:39] <Shadow__X> do a backup then
[02:41] <woski> is there a good/quick suggestd way to backup/recover?
[02:44] <Shadow__X> you could rsync everything to a hd
[02:44] <Shadow__X> and if it goes bad boot live cd and rsync back
[02:44] <Shadow__X> unless someone else has a better idea
[02:45] <woski> can i run do an apt-get install test to see what it'll install as dependencies?
[02:47] <Shadow__X> uh i am not familiar with that
[02:47] <Shadow__X> so i can not say
[02:47] <woski> hmmm, looks like with -u flag
[02:50] <woski> ahh... looks like it'll install lirc which will bust my manually installed one
[02:56] <Shadow__X> hmm
[02:56] <Shadow__X>  dont know you ahve to work with foxb untu on that one
[03:09] <woski> thanks for your help shadow.  i may have found a file that i can just slip in manually
[03:11] <Shadow__X> yup i think more thanks need to goto foxbuntu though but yeah aslong as you get it working
[03:11] <Shadow__X> thats the ultimate goal
[05:21] <Stemming78> FRESH installation of 9.06...  Unable to get Mythtv Backend Setup...  ERROR:  Unable to login to database...   HELP!!!
[05:24] <Stemming78> 9.04 - alpha 6
[05:32] <Stemming78> anyone online?
[05:33] <Shadow__X> its recommended to use a stable build
[05:34] <Stemming78> Thanks shadow....  I was on 8.10...  Now trying to get this 9.04 up and running - nothing!  any suggestions?
[05:34] <Shadow__X> i would use 8.10 i dont see why you would upgrade to an aplha build
[05:35] <tritium> Shadow__X: there is a beta out as of today, as well.
[05:35] <Stemming78> Fresh install - new build
[05:36] <Shadow__X> yeah but they are for fixing bugs and all that
[05:36] <Shadow__X> not supposed to be 100 stable builds
[05:37] <Shadow__X> Stemming78, the mysql pass for myth should be in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt but you can also look at loogs
[05:37] <Shadow__X> logs*
[05:37] <Shadow__X> !logs
[05:37] <Zinn> MythTV logs are stored in /var/log/mythtv/   You can use mythbuntu-log-grabber from the Applications menu to automatically post the most relevant logs to our pastebin.
[05:37] <tritium> Shadow__X: and alphas are even less stable
[05:37] <Shadow__X> !mysql
[05:37] <Zinn> If you are having problems connecting to your mysql database, you can perform the following to reconfigure it: 1. sudo dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.0 (pay attention to the root password you set, you will need it for the next step) 2. sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database 3. sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-common
[05:38] <Shadow__X> tritium, right i am just saying stability and reliability wise
[05:38] <Stemming78> 2009-03-26 10:24:30.595 Writing settings file /home/mythtv/.mythtv/mysql.txt
[05:38] <Stemming78> 2009-03-26 10:24:30.731 Closing DB connection named 'DBManager0'
[05:38] <Stemming78> 2009-03-26 10:24:30.885 Unable to connect to database!
[05:38] <Stemming78> 2009-03-26 10:24:31.091 Driver error was [1/1045]:
[05:39] <Stemming78> Some more log
[05:39] <Stemming78> QMYSQL3: Unable to connect
[05:39] <Stemming78> Database error was:
[05:39] <Stemming78> Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)
[05:39] <Stemming78> Just wierd!!!!
[05:39] <Shadow__X> make sure that password is right
[05:39] <Shadow__X> thats in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt
[05:39] <Shadow__X> make sure thats right
[05:40] <tritium> Shadow__X: the beta would be better for you in both cases
[05:41] <Stemming78> Zinn:  Thanks....   Did not have the first set (did 2 and 3)....
[05:41] <tritium> Shadow__X: wrong nick, sorry.  Yes, your advice to use 8.10 is sound.
[05:42] <Shadow__X> :)
[05:42] <tritium> Stemming78: I meant to point out to you that the beta is out today.
[05:42] <tritium> Shadow__X: :)
[05:42] <tritium> But again, Shadow__X has the right advice to stick with 8.10 for now.
[05:42] <Shadow__X> yeah easier for everyone involved
[05:43] <Shadow__X> tritium, does 9.04 even have trunk or something
[05:43] <Shadow__X> whats so alluring about it
[05:43] <Stemming78> tritium:  so BETA 6.1 is better than the v6.0 that I installed
[05:43] <Stemming78> Updates should take care of this I would presume
[05:44] <tritium> Stemming78: 6.1?  6.0?  What version numbers are those?
[05:44] <Stemming78> On Mythbuntu 9.04 Beta 6.0....   6.1 was released today
[05:44] <Stemming78> ... Alpha 6.0
[05:45] <tritium> Stemming78: no, the beta was released today.  Alpha 6 was released sometime back.  There is no 6.0 or 6.1
[05:47] <Stemming78> tritium:  link?
[05:47] <tritium> Stemming78: for what?  The beta?
[05:47] <Stemming78> This is what I see on the site:  Mythbuntu 9.04 Alpha 6.1 Is Here!
[05:47] <tritium> Stemming78: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/mythbuntu/releases/9.04/beta/
[05:48] <Stemming78> Thanks!
[05:48] <Shadow__X> NO 8.10 ONLY
[05:48] <Shadow__X> lol
[05:49] <Stemming78> going to try that one... Otherwise, back to v8.10.... (Shadow)
[05:49] <Stemming78> Thanks guys!!!
[09:45] <Bert_2> Hi, does anyone know how likely it is that someone will ever make a linux driver for the Nvidia TV tuner cards ?
[09:46] <hads> Didn't know they made any
[09:48] <Bert_2> hads: NVTV TV tuner: http://www.nvidia.com/object/nvtv_winxp_mc_1.20.45.html
[17:11] <Stemming78> Cannot run MYTHTV BACKEND:  No UPnD found....  *Fresh Installation.  Using the IP address as host.  Been running ainto road blocks
[17:12] <Stemming78> No log files for backend (/var/log/mysql/)
[17:13] <superm1> !logs
[17:13] <Zinn> MythTV logs are stored in /var/log/mythtv/   You can use mythbuntu-log-grabber from the Applications menu to automatically post the most relevant logs to our pastebin.
[17:18] <Stemming78> http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/f6010c3b6
[17:18] <superm1> ah i see
[17:18] <superm1> !database | Stemming78
[17:18] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about database
[17:18] <superm1> hm
[17:19] <superm1> !mysql | Stemming78
[17:19] <Zinn> Stemming78: If you are having problems connecting to your mysql database, you can perform the following to reconfigure it: 1. sudo dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.0 (pay attention to the root password you set, you will need it for the next step) 2. sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database 3. sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-common
[17:19] <Shadow__X> Stemming78, what version are you running and what did you do since last time
[17:20] <Stemming78> on 8.10 now
[17:20] <Stemming78> Fresh installation last night....
[17:20] <superm1> Stemming78, follow those steps to fix your database
[17:20] <Stemming78> Same problem as I had with the 9..04 Alpha 6.0
[17:21] <Stemming78> I have done them....   Wondering if this has ANYTHING to do with my router settings?
[17:22] <Stemming78> Swapped routers from my last installation.. Old copy of Mythbuntu worked on it however.
[17:22] <Stemming78> Have it Satic set on IP address of <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:22] <Stemming78> I am at a loss here guys
[17:25] <Shadow__X> in mythbackend setup us ip address no hostnames
[17:25] <superm1> if you are still getting those errors that we see in /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log, the issue is still your database
[17:26] <Stemming78> Got it working....  Followed the steps from ZIM only this time I entered in the IP address rather than localhost
[17:27] <Stemming78> THANK YOU!!!!
[17:27] <Stemming78> *ZINN
[17:27] <superm1> sweet
[17:27] <Stemming78> you guys are great!
[20:04] <byt3m3> i guess no one here can help with mythtv on OSX?
[20:06] <superm1> byt3m3, not really the right place for help w/ it at least.
[20:06] <superm1> #mythtv-users is a better bet
[20:06] <byt3m3> ahhh
[22:10] <stegel> i am working with a mythbuntu install of xubuntu and a siig soundwave 5.1 soundcard but I have no sound at all, aplay -l detects the card as "ICE1724
[22:27] <kingartus> hey...
[22:27] <kingartus> maby one of you can me Help...
[22:28] <kingartus> in Mythbuntu, i cnfigur my TV card... and it works... bu the Sound is not Syncron to the Video
[22:28] <kingartus> i use the Sound out from my TV card (hauppauge) into the line in from my PC
[22:29] <kingartus> sound is always befor the Video 2-3 seconds
[22:34] <hads> You will be listening to sound live when you shouldn't be.
[22:35] <hads> I don't really know how framegrabber cards work so probably won't be much help.
[22:35] <hads> You need to listen to the sound from the recording, not from the capture card directly.
[22:37] <kingartus> yes
[22:37] <kingartus> but how?
[22:43] <tgm4883> !sound
[22:43] <Zinn> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Sound_Troubleshooting


[15:08] <le4> Hi, I use Kubuntu 22.04.3 Lts on my laptop.
[15:08] <le4> Always at boot, at the beginning of boot errors like acpi not found, acpi bios error, error x509 and others appear.
[15:08] <le4> Everything is updated, firmware as well, bios and fwupd.
[15:08] <le4> I believe that adding on kernel the missing drivers to pc should solve everything.
[15:08] <le4> Thank you very much in advance
[15:08] <le4> Laptop Lenovo ideapad 3 15itl6 82md
[15:08] <le4> Intel i3 1115G4
[15:08] <le4> 4GB Ram
[15:08] <le4> Nvme ssd
[15:08] <le4> Ptbr Utf8
[15:08] <le4> Abnt2
[15:08] <le4> Normal installation, with encrypted disk.
[15:08] <le4> 👍😄


 Hello i want to say something to ubuntu studio but i cannot in irc so here
 I find the function cool that system updates installed at reboot and applications on the running system
 My system is doing the update so i wait for irc to come
 Is there aby difference vetween the update modes?
 It takes so long longer than the normal update Mode
[05:49] <luna> https://linuxunplugged.com/475 KDE Talk in this weeks LUP
 1pNN
 Can i install kubuntu restricted extras on ubuntu studio?
 Or should i take ubuntu restricted
 what is this error? : https://irc-attachments.kde.org/463f510b/file_59820.jpg
[11:50] <oerheks> omar, what do you think yourself?
[11:50] <oerheks> it did not download, somehow
[11:50] <oerheks> as it is not in our repos, try again, or ask the opera guys?
 what is this no mirrors thing?
[11:52] <oerheks> i am not one of the opera guys
 i know but u are a kubuntu guy (re @IrcsomeBot: <oerheks> i am not one of the opera guys)
[11:53] <oerheks> yes, so did you try again?
 anyway thank you it is fixed
 But Im hella confused who uses Opera in 2022?
 7QNA (re @join_captcha_bot: )
 LFBC (re @join_captcha_bot: )
 LLBC (re @join_captcha_bot: )
 I do (re @CrustyCrab55: But Im hella confused who uses Opera in 2022?)
 I think it is good
 I had bugs with chrome and i dont like firefox
 K
[15:35] <user|59> Yo
[16:38] <Guest1572> xelatex
 Hi
 Can i get ubuntu screen recording tool in kubuntu?
 Can i get ubuntu screenshot tool in kubuntu?
[17:18] <enigma9o7[m]> sure, but have you tried flameshot
[17:18] <cbreak> omar: kubuntu has one of those already
[17:18] <cbreak> spectacle
[17:18] <cbreak> SimpleScreenRecorder also works
 Can it record a screen video? (re @IrcsomeBot: <cbreak> spectacle)
[17:20] <cbreak> spectacle? No. But the other one can.
 What is gnome screenshot tool name?
[17:29] <enigma9o7[m]> gnome-screenshot
[17:30] <enigma9o7[m]> but really, try flameshot
 Ok (re @IrcsomeBot: <enigma9o7[m]> but really, try flameshot)
[18:26]  * valorie uses flameshot too
 Why are they kept back? : https://irc-attachments.kde.org/de0a3652/file_59836.jpg
[19:18] <arraybolt3> @CrustyCrab55: Phased updates?
 Not sure
[19:23] <arraybolt3> @CrustyCrab55: Hmm, a lot of that stuff doesn't appear to be being phased, so I'm not sure why it's being held back.
[19:23] <arraybolt3> @CrustyCrab55: Maybe someone else will know more.
 Where can we see what changes in linux-formware are made?
 Got update at this moment
 Is  there a command for kubuntu to check if my gpu now supported?
 I got the update and it did not require reboot is it ok? (re @Oski146: Where can we see what changes in linux-formware are made?)
 I got no reboot too (re @Omar: I got the update and it did not require reboot is it ok?)
 I think just a little change nothing special
[22:01] <mmikowski> oski146: Reboot should generally be required for Firmware updates.
[22:01] <mmikowski> oski146: What GPU do you have?
[22:05] <oski146> i got no reboot prompt from system, and i use razy 5 5500u with integrated grpahics
[22:05] <oski146> ryzen 5 5500u*
[22:06] <oski146> amdgpu drivers have got an update at this moment
[22:07] <mmikowski> So the reason reboot *should* normally be required is to load new firmware. There are likely some ways to load firmware dynamically, but a reoot is the likely the most certain to reinitialize  correctly.
[22:08] <oski146> ok then i reboot now and come back here.  just need to know then if i got the right one
[22:08] <mmikowski> As for the GPU, I can't speak to that. But again, if  GPU support has been improved, you will need to at least restart X or Wayland. Rebooting will do that too.
[22:08] <mmikowski> kk, good luck. Gotta run for now!
[22:09] <oski146> iam back
[22:41] <oski146> is there any command to check if the modules loaded the right ones?
[22:42] <oski146> with names of modules


[12:01] <Mez> lol
[12:15] <sladen> iBalo: wasabi
[12:15] <sladen> gah
[12:16] <sladen> iBalo: sorry, completion
[12:17] <sladen> iwj: you could make your firefox retection thing do a forced immediate  sudo mount -o remount,ro /
[02:40] <BenC> anyone know of a good decompiler?
[02:44] <floam> did old bugzilla bugs get moved to malone?
[02:45] <floam> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21515 won't let me comment on it, but I can't figure out if it's been moved somewhere or if I need to recreate it.
[02:45] <Ubugtu> ubuntu bug 21515 in linux "sata_via: ATAPI not working" [Normal,Needinfo]
[02:46] <BenC> floam: top of the bugzilla page should have a link to the malone bug
[02:48] <floam> oh, I'm blind, thanks
[02:48] <floam> it's even in a big blue contrasting box
[02:48] <floam> perhaps that just got added in the last few days. I know I tried to get there a week ago and was looking all over
[02:49] <BenC> been there since the conversion :)
[02:51] <floam> guh.
[02:51] <floam> Guess I'm retarded :)
[02:52] <floam> BenC: oh, that's the same bug you were helping me with. any idea if newer libata stuff could get backported back at this (late-ish) point?
[02:52] <floam> I managed to get it working with a 2.6.16 rc
[02:56] <BenC> 2.6.16 contains a lot of pata stuff that likely wont get backported
[02:56] <BenC> but you can try taking sata_via.c and compiling it with our kernel...if it works, I might do it
[02:57] <floam> I can try that. There were numerous other ATAPI fixes/changes that were outside sata_via, don't know where it was fixed there
[02:57] <floam> s/where/if/
[03:00] <mjg59> BenC: You reverted the ACPI stuff?
[03:00] <BenC> mjg59: I couldn't even boot with it
[03:01] <mjg59> BenC: Heh. I'll try taking a look.
[03:01] <BenC> usb didn't even work
[03:01] <mjg59> Sounds like interrupts had gone
[03:01] <BenC> so I couldn't debug it at all
[03:01] <BenC> yeah, pretty much
[03:01] <mjg59> pci=noacpi would probably have got you booted
[03:01] <BenC> ide worked, but net+usb+scsi was done
[03:02] <BenC> I didn't even think to try, it was just scary :)
[03:52] <humboldt> The nomenclatur of Release files seems to have changed in breezy. apt-show-versions does not seem to accommodate these changes nor does apt_preferences! This leeds to a wayor mess!
[05:30] <sladen> Firefox just crashed ...when filing a bug on the Mozilla Bugzilla.  How annoyingly typical.
[05:40] <OddAbe19> is there a bug with nvidia and glx, i can't get my glx to work no matter how many times i've reinstalled nvidia driver... i looked on bugzilla, couldn't find anything
[05:42] <Chipzz> first of all, this is not the place for end-user questions
[05:43] <OddAbe19> i know that
[05:43] <OddAbe19> but you deal with bugs
[05:43] <Chipzz> then why do you ask?
[05:43] <Chipzz> anyway
[05:43] <OddAbe19> i couldn't find a bug on bugzilla about it
[05:43] <Chipzz> did you use the ubuntu packages?
[05:43] <OddAbe19> so i thought i'd ask since it wasn't busy
[05:43] <OddAbe19> no, the binary
[05:43] <Chipzz> see
[05:43] <OddAbe19> the package is broken right now
[05:43] <Chipzz> that's where your problem is
[05:44] <Chipzz> ok... so let me get this straight... you do not use the package and then come in here asking if there is a bug in the package? :)
[05:44] <OddAbe19> actually, in all honesty, i've never had a problem with the binary, only the provided packages, so i stuck to the binary.  Modulization seemed to have broken it and i was just wondering if it was a common problem
[05:44] <OddAbe19> i wasnt sure if it was an X problem or not
[05:44] <OddAbe19> that's all i wanted to know
[05:46] <Chipzz> afaik (but I'm not a developer, and my laptop running dapper with the nvidia card hasn't been updated in a week or something), everything works just fine
[05:47] <OddAbe19> ok, then it's me
[05:47] <OddAbe19> i'll dig deeper, thanks
[05:48] <Chipzz> but you should be asking on #ubuntu, really
[05:51] <Chipzz> and you should be using packages, *REALLY*
[05:51] <Chipzz> and if those are not working for you like you claim, file a bug ;)
[07:12] <zakame> hi devs :)
[07:50] <phlaegel> Chipzz: still around?
[10:29] <LeonWP> hi
[10:29] <LeonWP> does anyone know why there is only a ppc version of this release?
[10:29] <LeonWP> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[11:16] <zyga> anyone who knows the initrd magic of ubuntu around?
[11:48] <\sh> hmmm
[11:48] <\sh> does anybody see a strange behaviour of his clock applet after latest libc6 update?
[11:49] <\sh> in kde it shows UTC, but system time is localtime (in my case CET)
[11:49] <\sh> I didn't check gnome..that's why I'm asking :)
[11:52] <zyga> checking
[11:52] <zyga> I've got correct local time
[11:52] <\sh> strange...
[11:53] <\sh> because I get this every time I restart kicker (kde panel) and/or restarting the clock applet:
[11:53] <\sh> grep: /usr/share/lib/zoneinfo: No such file or directory
[11:53] <\sh> grep: /src/*: No such file or directory
[11:53] <\sh> /bin/bash: /bin/awk: No such file or directory
[11:53] <\sh> and there is no reference of this in the source
[11:54] <zyga> maybe it's specific to kde?
[11:54] <zyga> is that a glibc message?
[11:54] <\sh> zyga: i'll check
[11:55] <\sh> but there must be a system/exec call to grep somehow..
[11:55] <\sh> and I don't think that glibc is executing grep :)
[03:19] <lsuactiafner> wget http://za.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/ladspa-sdk/ladspa-sdk_1.1-2build1_i386.deb http://za.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/e/em8300/em8300-headers_0.14.0-2_all.deb http://za.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libx/libxmu/libxmu-headers_6.2.3-5_all.deb <-- those packages are *BROKEN*
[03:19] <lsuactiafner> currupted or something. headers and md5 checksum doesnt work. i did wget and tried dpkg -i and still no luck
[03:22] <lsuactiafner> right i got dpkg -i to work but apt-get doesnt like them.
[03:46] <sebest> mjg59, hello, any plan to support SD / MMC card reader in notebooks?
[03:46] <sebest> i tested http://mmc.drzeus.cx/wiki/Linux/Drivers/wbsd and it works well and support many laptops
[03:47] <mjg59> sebest: It's in the Dapper kernel
[03:48] <sebest> already?
[03:49] <mjg59> Yes
[03:49] <mjg59> (Since it's in the upstream kernel)
[03:50] <Treenaks> any idea when the new kernel build will hit dapper (with the fixed parts of that driver, and some other goodies) ?
[03:51] <mjg59> Treenaks: You'd have to ask Ben
[03:51] <HiddenWolf> mako: rofl, great blog entry
[03:51] <sebest> is ther any reason that "SHMConfig" is not set to True for synaptics drivers.
[03:52] <Treenaks> sebest: security
[03:53] <sebest> Treenaks, security? you mean on multi user systems?
[03:55] <sebest> it seems that the synaptics configuration tools needs it to work (qsynaptics, synclient, etc)
[03:56] <Treenaks> sebest: Sure, but the current method (shm) is insecure, and a better way should be found.
[03:59] <sebest> with ksynaptics you can configure your touchpad to (for example) middle-click when you tap it with 2 fingers
[04:15] <mdke> Mithrandir, *poke* *poke*
[04:16] <Simira> mdke: he's on his way home :D
[04:16] <mdke> Simira, ah thanks
[04:36] <Simira> did someone break gnome terminal?
[04:38] <Treenaks> Simira: I think so.
[04:38] <Treenaks> Simira: I've heard keybuk complain about it, and my g-t crashed once already
[04:39] <Simira> Treenaks: it doesn't crash, it just doesn't start :p
[04:39] <Simira> so, it's xterm for now, then
[04:39] <Simira> Treenaks: any other issues on the laptop-testing? Think all is fine on nc8230 now
[04:40] <Treenaks> my ati still doesn't work
[04:40] <Treenaks> And most of my other bugs still stand too (no working WEP in the installer, etc)
[04:41] <Treenaks> The SD slot should be working after the next kernel update
[04:41] <Treenaks> (not the smartcard though)
[04:42] <Simira> hm, ok
[04:50] <mjg59> sladen: Is that a literal "in the house"?
[04:51] <sladen> mjg59: yes.
[04:52] <Simira> :-)
[04:52] <Simira> sladen: in London, for a change?
[04:52] <sladen> mjg59: I think there is a Toshiba Tablet---which would give me a chance to check the speffal keys
[04:53] <sladen> Simira: home sweet home.  But far too warm :)
[04:53] <Simira> sladen: oh, wanna switch? It's freezing and snowing here. Planning to have a weekend in Spain or something...
[04:54] <mjg59> sladen: I've got a Toshiba tablet
[04:54] <mjg59> There aren't any special keys
[04:54] <mjg59> Oh, hang on, that's not even remotely true
[04:54] <mjg59> There are, but I can't remember what I did with them
[04:55] <Simira> hehe
[05:08] <hunger> Where is this gnome-power-manager and the gnome-volume
[05:09] <hunger> -manager started, please?
[05:10] <sivang> sladen: what are you up to on the sprint besides trying to catch the virus? :)
[05:13] <sladen> sivang: sudo-hints, and then after that mvo pursuded me to spend the rest of the time focused on zsync hacking
[05:15] <sladen> we need a D-Bus HUD backend and KDE/GNOME frontends to pop up pretty icons when Brightness/Volume/Wifi/Bluetooth/Wifi/Video status changes
[05:15] <sladen> KDE already has kmilo
[05:15] <sivang> sladen: HUD ?
[05:15] <sladen> and Gnome sortof has gnome-settings-daemon  Head-Up-Display
[05:17] <sivang> sladen: ah, sounds interesting. So you're helping push those specs, cool :)
[05:18] <hunger> It seems both kde and gnome nowadays read /usr/share/autostart... Before only kde did IIRC. How can I configure which of the files there are started with gnome and which of them with kde?
[05:18] <sivang> sladen: do you happen to know / able to explain the differences between reported size of files on the fs and the "real" sizes, as per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , I need to calucalte sizes of home folder, to instruct a user how many CDs will he need to back them up.
[05:19] <hunger> I found a mail on freedesktop.org claiming that /usr/share/autostart was supposed to be for common stuff with DE-specific start stuff being in /usr/share/gnome/autostart and /usr/share/kde/autostart (or similar). Neither of those exists in ubuntu.
[05:19] <sivang> sladen: currently, I have a class that does that, but it differs from the sizes dh returns, I'll probably peopen it and use it instead.
[05:21] <sladen> sivang: a 900 byte file actually takes up a whole inode (eg. 4kB)   Also spare files take up _less_ blocks than their length
[05:23] <psusi> sivang, you can use du to find the real size
[05:23] <psusi> sivang, though if you are backing up, you don't care about that... you just care about the apparent size
[05:24] <psusi> since you will be concatenating the files into a tar right?  so the on disk blocks won't enter the picture
[05:24] <psusi> sladen, also... I think you meant block, not inode
[05:25] <sivang> psusi: hmm, actually, come to think of it, I am not going to tar stuff myself, going to use DAR. so this probably already takes care of that. I just want to know how I can tell how many CDs or how much actual space the user that does the backup needs.
[05:26] <psusi> sivang, assuming you are going to enable compression, you can't tell accuratly
[05:26] <psusi> and yes... dar also concatentates the files into an archive, so the on disk blocks will have no bearing
[05:26] <psusi> forget they even exist for this purpose
[05:27] <sivang> so I need to calucalte this myself, e.g. disregarding disk blocks, or see if dar can give this info to me
[05:27] <psusi> it can't assuming you will be enabling compression
[05:27] <psusi> there is no way to know how well it will compress without compressing it
[05:30] <Tm_T> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8051
[05:30] <psusi> btw... what makes dar a better choice than tar?
[05:34] <sivang> psusi: lots :)
[05:34] <sivang> psusi: check the upstream website, and play with it
[05:34] <psusi> I'm looking at the web site now... I'm not seeing anything tar can't do as well... and it also seems to compress each file individually to allow faster cherry picking during restores, but that reduces your compression
[05:35] <psusi> I'd prefer using fewer disks to backup than being able to cherry pick faster during restore ;)
[05:36] <sivang> psusi: it also automatically supports multi volumes creation, less work for me :)
[05:37] <psusi> I believe tar does as well
[05:39] <sivang> it seems to take care of the core backup functionality, requireing almost no additional work. tar seems like ti would take me to handle also the meta data, which dar already accounts for.
[05:40] <psusi> meta data?
[05:41] <sivang> TOCIng out of 2 single first and last volumes, also support for executing user cmmands in betweeb slices etc
[05:42] <sivang> I gues snot mostly meta dat a:)
[05:42] <psusi> sounds like you want tar's -G option I think it was... spits out a TOC for incremental backups
[05:45] <sivang> psusi: won't then I need to parse this TOC? I can have dar do it for me, and just tell me which volume to insert
[05:45] <sivang> psusi: what's the benefit of using tar ove dar?
[05:46] <sivang> (I mean, why would you use it instead)
[05:46] <psusi> none I suppose... other than it's possibly older, more mature, and better supported... but it looks like dar should work fine as well, so hey... go with whatever works
[05:46] <psusi> the one difference that I would actually care about is the compression.... tar will get better compression
[05:47] <sivang> I can have dar run in through bz2 though
[05:47] <sivang> (the stream, that is)
[05:47] <psusi> that would break the slices
[05:48] <psusi> dar wants to compress the files individually, then split them up onto each disk
[05:48] <sivang> ah, right they say it will only lower number of slices
[05:48] <psusi> that will lead to worse compression than compressing the entire tar then splitting
[05:49] <sivang> seems just as good, no?
[05:49] <sivang> I see. and with tar you suggest comrpessing the whole stream,
[05:49] <psusi> no... the larger your data set the better the compression.
[05:49] <sivang> and then break it down to slices..
[05:49] <psusi> that's how tar works... it tars all the files up then passes the output to the compressor
[05:49] <psusi> aye
[05:50] <sivang> that's rather important argument. thanks for bringing this up
[05:50] <psusi> plus, you can use 7zip to compress the tar and get REALLY good compression ;)
[05:50] <sivang> and then break up to slices?
[05:50] <psusi> aye
[05:50] <sivang> but then I would have ti implement the slices mechanism myself...
[05:50] <sivang> or can tar do that for me AFTER it has sliced?
[05:50] <psusi> I think you just pipe the output to the split utility
[05:51] <sivang> okay, I will experiment with that then
[05:51] <sladen> 7zip --fomg-optimised
[05:52] <psusi> sqashfs works by concatentating the files, then compressing them in 64k blocks... I turned my 80 MB lkml Maildir into a .sqashfs the other day... it was 17 MB.... turned it into a .tar.7z and it was 8 MB
[05:52] <psusi> now if your average file size is less than 64k, then it sounds like dar would get even worse compression than squashfs
[05:52] <psusi> since it compresses each file, rather than fixed 64k blocks
[05:53] <psusi> you shouldn't need any space on the disk
[05:53] <sivang> how come? I Need a buffer to realibly store the archives before I burn them..
[05:53] <psusi> you can pipe the stream to growisofs and burn it on the fly
[05:53] <Amaranth> psusi: what did squashfs-lmza get you?
[05:54] <psusi> Amaranth, have not tried it... I didn't have time to find and apply the patches
[05:54] <sladen> Amaranth: I doubt LZMA will get you anything if you're restricting it by using 64kB blocks
[05:54] <psusi> sladen, it gets you something it seems... but yea, the larger the block size, the better
[05:54] <Amaranth> hmm, i think it was still as good as bz2 in that situation
[05:54] <Amaranth> but decompressed faster than bz2
[05:55] <psusi> ahhh
[05:56] <sivang> psusi: does growisofs support CDR/CDRW as well? man page only mentions DVD
[05:56] <psusi> sivang, yes
[05:57] <sladen> somebody needs to separate the block-reordering from the compression so they can be stacked in a more useful fashion
[05:57] <psusi> sivang, so you can write a program to manage a pipeline between tar | 7z and growisofs... when growisofs fills up the disc, prompt the user for another one and fire up another growisofs
[05:57] <psusi> sladen, eh?
[05:59] <sladen> psusi: bzip2 combines re-ordering and compression.  It would be useful to just have reording and then use gzip (or lzma) for compression
[05:59] <psusi> and once I finish ironing out the udftools package, you will be able to directly tar to a cdrw disc mounted as a full read/write filesystem
[06:00] <psusi> sladen, ahh, you mean only do the BWT, then apply lzma to that?
[06:00] <sladen> psusi: yes.
[06:00] <sivang> psusi: :)
[06:00] <sivang> I'm actually quite keen to have archive premade on disk,
[06:00] <psusi> I found some sample code once that was broken up into each step, so you could just BWT if you wanted
[06:00] <psusi> sivang, why is that?
[06:01] <sladen> psusi: since then you can do block reordering over the *whole* file, but still only have a 64kB block granularity for making things directly addressible
[06:01] <sivang> and only then attempt write them. I belive this allows for greater recoverablility when burns are interrupted in that middle, and / or gone bad. then instead of re-comressions and doing all this work, I just retry burn the files on disk
[06:01] <psusi> also... after BWT orders the data, I think ppmd would work very well on it.... and be faster than lzma
[06:02] <psusi> sladen, can't do that... you have to un BWT the whole file before you can get back the original data
[06:02] <psusi> sladen, I believe that's what 'rz' does...
[06:03] <psusi> sivang, true... but requires more space on disk all the time for better handling of an exceptional condition
[06:04] <psusi> I'd rather have the backup go faster and not require lots of free disk space normally, and in the unlikely event of interruption or bad media or whatever, have to start over
[06:05] <sladen> psusi: rzip was what I was looking for, but I couldn't find it googling
[06:05] <psusi> sladen, I messed with it for a bit... it's slower and doesn't compress as well as lzma and it can't pipeline, it can only work with on disk files
[06:07] <mako> Hirion: clag you liked it :)
[06:07] <mako> Hirion: ok.. screwed that one up.. ignore
[06:07] <sivang> psusi: from the very simpletone user POV, I think this exception can occur more then once :)
[06:08] <sladen> psusi: ah, but for downloading debs, that's perfectly fine
[06:11] <psusi> sladen, yea, I suppose it wouldn't be that big of a deal... if it actually got better compression and wasn't so slow ;)
[06:12] <sladen> psusi: I'm interested in algorithms, not implementations
[06:15] <psusi> I wonder about BWT | ppmd.... could be interesting...
[06:35] <MisterN> hi
[06:37] <ManuelJ> a question why when i try to install the nvidia drivers with "nvidia-glx-config enable" i get this mistake. "Error: /etc/X11/xorg.conf or /var/lib/xfree86/xorg.conf.md5sum are missing from your system. Please be sure that your xserver package is installed correctly."
[06:38] <mdke> Kamion, siretart is uploading another ubuntu-docs for breezy-updates, I've send you and mdz an email with explanation
[06:42] <Kamion> mdke: acknowledged
[06:43] <Kamion> haven't caught up on e-mail yet although I noticed yours
[06:43] <mdke> Kamion, no problem, i only sent it 5 minutes ago
[06:43] <Kamion> ManuelJ: sounds like a bug that should be filed; it's /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum nowadays
[06:44] <ManuelJ> ok thanks
[06:44] <siretart> uploading right now, sorry for delay
[06:44] <ManuelJ> do i fill the bug on malone?
[06:45] <ManuelJ> or what can i do?
[06:51] <Alinux> hello
[06:51] <Alinux> some ttf package mantainer for Ubuntu or Debian on the channel?
[06:52] <Alinux> mjg59, here brother?
[06:52] <Alinux> I need your help
[06:52] <Alinux> :(
[06:53] <mjg59> Alinux: Hi
[06:54] <Alinux> mjg59, hi
[06:54] <Alinux> mjg59, do you remmeber me ?
[06:54] <mjg59> Alinux: Yup
[06:54] <Alinux> we have talked about georgian fonts in the main
[06:54] <mjg59> Yup
[06:54] <Alinux> ;) BPG is agree to make his fonts GPLed
[06:55] <mjg59> Alinux: Cool!
[06:55] <Alinux> for georgian localisation in Ubuntu and Debian...
[06:55] <mjg59> Alinux: In that case, we'll certainly be able to package them
[06:55] <Alinux> I'l give you link ok?
[06:55] <mjg59> Alinux: Sure
[06:56] <Alinux> http://bpg.sytes.net/BPG-InfoTech/sppro/bpg/publication_view.asp?iabspos=1&vjob=vdocid,146405
[06:56] <Alinux> here
[06:56] <Alinux> mjg59, this person is 50 years old..
[06:56] <Alinux> and he was in a dark :) he don't knew about GPL
[06:57] <mjg59> Alinux: That looks great
[06:57] <Alinux> and he was very enthusiast to pubblic them under GPL license
[06:57] <Alinux> he is very proud , and we too :)
[06:57] <Alinux> sd-tux, well done brother! :)
[06:57] <sd-tux> :)
[06:58] <sd-tux> will this font go in some kind "misc font collection" or will it get it's own deb package ?
[06:59] <Alinux> mjg59, I can tell you a my personal installation procedure...
[06:59] <mjg59> sd-tux: There's three of them, so probably a ttf-georgian-fonts package
[06:59] <sd-tux> mjg59: ok .. if you want i can try to package them
[06:59] <Alinux> I create /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-geo-fonts directory and then run fc-cache
[07:00] <Alinux> and restart X
[07:00] <mjg59> sd-tux: I can upload them now, if you like
[07:00] <Alinux> mjg59,
[07:00] <Alinux> who makes a .deb package ? :D
[07:00] <Alinux> mjg59, you or sd-tux ?
[07:00] <sd-tux> mjg59: it would be great.. i don't have experience in packagind ... dependencies etc..
[07:00] <Alinux> :)
[07:01] <siretart> gnarf, connection died
[07:01] <Alinux> mjg59, georgian fonts must be linked with georgian packages
[07:01] <Alinux> language-pack-gnome-ka - GNOME translation updates for language Georgian
[07:01] <Alinux> language-pack-gnome-ka-base - GNOME translations for language Georgian
[07:01] <Alinux> language-pack-ka - translation updates for language Georgian
[07:01] <Alinux> language-pack-ka-base - translations for language Georgian
[07:01] <Alinux> language-support-ka - metapackage for Georgian language support
[07:01] <Alinux> I mean this packages :)
[07:02] <mjg59> Alinux: I'll upload the fonts. I'm not sure what the situation is with language packs - you may need to file a bug on them
[07:02] <Alinux> maybe I don't know... mjg59 you have more experiance
[07:02] <Alinux> so you decide...
[07:02] <mjg59> I'm afraid I don't work on them
[07:02] <Alinux> mjg59, no pitti works on them
[07:02] <Alinux> but if you add this font to main
[07:02] <Alinux> like indian , armenian...etc
[07:03] <Alinux> so there will be a native support for georgian fonts
[07:03] <sd-tux> mjg59: are you maintaining debian too ?
[07:03] <mjg59> sd-tux: Yeah
[07:03] <Alinux> gucharmap in this moment dosen't provides georgian fonts map...
[07:03] <Alinux> provides but there is no fonts :)
[07:03] <sd-tux> mjg59: can you put this fonts in debian too please .. in SID
[07:03] <mjg59> sd-tux: Sure
[07:04] <Alinux> sd-tux, I'll tell you that mjg59 is very important for us :)
[07:04] <sd-tux> Alinux: ;)
[07:04] <Alinux> mjg59, Georgian Brother :)
[07:04] <Alinux> mjg59, thank you a lot :)
[07:04] <Alinux> and GPL rulez for ever...
[07:05] <Alinux> mjg59, this fonts are first GPL fonts in a georgian 24 000 years history.
[07:05] <Alinux> and you have a honor to package them for Debian and Ubuntu :)
[07:05] <Alinux> I'm so happy ubuntu-devel!!!
[07:05] <sd-tux> Alinux: 24 000 ? fonts.... ? :)
[07:06] <Alinux> no
[07:06] <Alinux> 24 00 years :D
[07:06] <Alinux> 24 sencturies :)
[07:07] <sd-tux> Alinux: ok ..
[07:07] <sd-tux> :)
[07:33] <mjg59> Alinux: sd-tux: I've just uploaded them to Ubuntu - they'll have to go through NEW, and will end up in universe first. If you talk to pitti, he can probably let you know how to get them into main.
[07:35] <Alinux> mjg59,
[07:35] <Alinux> ;)
[07:35] <Alinux> thank you a lot
[07:35] <mjg59> sd-tux: And in Debian now
[07:35] <Alinux> ok I know pitti very well
[07:35] <mjg59> No problem
[07:36] <Alinux> mjg59, so he must put them into main right?
[07:36] <mjg59> Alinux: Yes
[07:36] <Alinux> mjg59, oook :)
[07:36] <Alinux> I'll talk with him :)
[07:36] <Alinux> mjg59, I'm using dapper
[07:37] <Alinux> which is the packages name?
[07:40] <mjg59> ttf-bpg-georgian-fonts
[07:40] <mjg59> It won't appear for a while yet - it has to be manually checked
[07:40] <Alinux> mjg59, I can test them if you want...
[07:40] <Alinux> I remove my fonts manually and thest a package .
[07:41] <Alinux> mjg59, give me url and I'll tet them for you..
[07:41] <Alinux> :)
[07:42] <mjg59> Alinux: http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~mjg59/ttf-bpg-georgian-fonts_0.1_all.deb
[07:49] <Alinux> mjg59, thank you I'll test them right now..
[08:04] <mdke> Kamion, still wrt that email, siretart is having some trouble uploading to breezy-updates so it may not appear until that is sorted out tomorrow with the soyuz guys
[08:04] <mdke> just fyi
[08:05] <siretart> any idea in what launchpad group you need to be in order to be able to upload to breezy-updates?
[08:06] <khermans> How do i properly request a package to be upgraded to a new version for Dapper?
[08:19] <mjg59> Gah
[08:19] <mjg59> Why can't I reproduce any hibernation failures?
[08:22] <sladen> mmm, mute synchage
[08:22] <sladen> and now to rewrite it from Python to C
[08:31] <Chipzz> is it known that network interface renaming is broken?
[10:10] <sivang> anybody know how to hid out stdout output of a command in python and manipulate the output?
[10:10] <sivang> I'm using subprocess.Popen, but it donesn't hid the ocommand's output
[10:16] <sivang> ah, think I've found it
[11:06] <zyga> sivang: yes
[11:07] <zyga> sivang: :-)
[11:10] <sivang> zyga: yes ? :)
[11:12] <zyga> sivang: I was reading your message and responded before I read the last one
[11:14] <sivang> zyga: ah :)
[11:14] <sivang> zyga: do you knwo fi there's a way to see the output while the command process,
[11:14] <sivang> zyga: so I can do a progres based on it
[11:16] <zyga> sivang: via read and write on the pipes probably
[11:22] <sivang> zyga: ah right, you mean seeking isntead of readline()
[11:31] <zyga> sivang: no
[11:31] <zyga> sivang: you cannot seek on pipes
[11:31] <zyga> sivang: just read(n)
[11:31] <zyga> sivang: or maybe poll and selecgt
[11:32] <sivang> zyga: read seems to work
[11:32] <zyga> sivang: read is fine as long as you can block
[11:33] <sivang> I will block for the progress indication, so it will show progress onlyu when there's really any
[11:33] <sivang> zyga: btw, why aren't you asleep? YOu'll have trouble getting uyp tomorow, just like I will :)
[11:34] <sivang> zyga: also, how to you test for the EOF of stdout?
[11:38] <sivang> zyga: .next() seem to work quite nicely, I can't find poll and selectgt though
[11:40] <zyga> sivang: hmm
[11:40] <zyga> sivang: you should be able to poll/select after getting the descriptor with fileno()
[11:40] <zyga> sivang: I'm getting sleepy fast :)
[11:44] <sivang> zyga: how those two work? like select and poll in kernel syscall?
[11:44] <zyga> sivang: yes
[11:44] <zyga> sivang: exactly like those
[11:44] <Simira> jdub: That pony-pic on the fridge is really, really bad!
[11:45] <Treenaks> Simira: why? :)
[11:45] <sivang> it's so sad
[11:45] <zyga> fridge is broken on my firefox
[11:46] <sivang> he, zyga always with some constructional critisism :)
[11:46] <zyga> the menu is at the bottom of the page
[11:46] <sivang> oops, for me too
[11:46] <sivang> yes!
[11:46] <sivang> weird
[11:46] <zyga> it seems to be position:absolute instead of position:fixed
[11:46] <zyga> but I'm too busy to check
[11:47] <Simira> Treenaks: ponies are cute
[11:48] <Simira> and now the dapper update broke my time-admin as well. Ush!
[11:48] <sivang> going to bed, that is
[11:48] <sivang> night all!
[11:49] <Simira> night


[16:43] <alex_mayorga> Nightly from PPA has menus in both the window and top most menu
[16:50] <alex_mayorga> chrisccoulson: ^^
[16:50] <alex_mayorga> Why might that be?
[16:51] <alex_mayorga> Nightly from PPA has menus in both a maximized window and the top most "system" menu
[19:24] <chrisccoulson> alex_mayorga, which release? i fixed that issue several days ago


[15:49] <linde> hi.. I'm new around here so sorry if asking about something completely obvious.. anyway, how should "old software" be treated? It's not really a bug, but can be annoying
[15:50] <dlentz> linde, how old?
[15:50] <dlentz> If it;s Ubuntu 9.10 or earlier there's an "EOL" repsonse
[15:50] <linde> I'm thinking about octave, natty and oneiric have 3.2.4, that's also listed for precise pangolin
[15:51] <dlentz> bug link?
[15:51] <linde> version 3.4 of octave was released in february 2011 and I was hoping it should be available without fixing oneself
[15:52] <linde> (got my info from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/octave3.2 and https://www.gnu.org/software/octave/news.html )
[15:54] <dlentz> if it's a bug fixed upstream, try finding a ppa
[15:54] <dlentz> what version of ubuntu are you (or other person) running?
[15:54] <linde> I'm running 11.10 (oneiric)
[15:56] <dlentz> i don't see it in precise or sid, so you'd have to compile it yourself
[15:57] <linde> Yes, that's the path I've taken so far, but I'm thinking that ubuntu should ship something newer then 3.2
[15:59] <linde> when you refer to sid, does that imply, if debian doesn't have it, ubuntu won't have it?
[16:00] <dlentz> no, but it helps
[16:00] <dlentz> actually, 3.4's in experimental right now
[16:00] <dlentz> (debian experimental)
[16:01] <dlentz> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/octave3.2/+bug/842479
[16:01] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 842479 in octave3.2 (Debian) (and 1 other project) "Please upgrade to Octave 3.4.2 (affects: 12) (heat: 42)" [Unknown,Fix released]
[16:02] <linde> Thanks, my google-fu must have been weak since I didn't find that one
[16:03] <dlentz> i just searched ubuntu bugs for octave (newest first)
[18:04] <bil21al> some body please triage  this one and set  its imp to medium
[18:04] <bil21al> https://bugs.launchpad.net/empathy/+bug/917296
[18:04] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 917296 in empathy (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "WLM contacts do not appear in contact list (affects: 2) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[18:20] <bil21al> ping
[19:09] <bil21al> kamusin:
[19:10] <bil21al> ?
[19:11] <dlentz> gello bil21al
[19:11] <bil21al> dlentz: yes
[19:59] <bil21al> om26er: is it a  unity bug ? have a look
[19:59] <bil21al> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/760229
[19:59] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 760229 in telepathy-sofiasip (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Incoming call window takes focus (affects: 1) (heat: 1)" [Undecided,New]
[19:59] <bil21al> or some other pakage ?


[12:51] <Iam_Gadgets> hi ive just installed onto an ssd but it wont boot ive read and searched but ive obviously missed a step
[12:52] <Iam_Gadgets> can anyone point me somewhere i havent tried  :)
[12:55] <Iam_Gadgets> i downloaded latest iso and put it on dvd it installed ok.  when it went to reboot it asks for a boot disk


[03:05] <Budoy> hi! i want to ask how can i connect my laptop into projector?
[03:06] <holstein> Budoy: usually they accept a wire.. vga or hdmi. i just plug in and treat it like a second monitor
[03:06] <holstein> arandr can help..
[03:07] <Budoy> im using VGA, how can i do? can you give me what i can do
[03:08] <holstein> Budoy: plug the cable in, and run the display tool
[03:09] <holstein> Budoy: it may not work, if the hardware dosent support linux
[03:09] <Budoy> ok
[03:09] <Budoy> i try now to install the arandr
[03:09] <holstein> Budoy: why?
[03:10] <holstein> Budoy: did you run the included tool?
[03:10] <Budoy> nope i install the arandr via apt-get install
[03:10] <holstein> ok.. use it then.. but, the included tool works as well, typically
[03:10] <holstein> !dualhead
[03:18] <Budoy> ok.. wht tool i include?
[03:19] <holstein> the included one, friend
[03:19] <holstein> try the display tool
[03:20] <Budoy> i dont see display tool
[03:20] <Budoy> i only see monitor settings
[03:21] <Budoy> i try to open the montor settings i see DVI monitor
[03:21] <holstein> sure.. monitor settings
[03:22] <holstein> dont trust the labels
[03:22] <Budoy> ok
[03:26] <Budoy> ok thanks :) its work now
[03:26] <Budoy> another question
[03:27] <Budoy> i have a pc and have 2 HDD
[03:27] <Budoy> now itry to connect into pc via xrdp but i cannot access the HDD
[03:28] <holstein> just use a live CD
[03:50] <Budoy> hi!
[04:13] <Budoy> hi!
[04:20] <sydney> hi!!
[04:21] <Budoy> can i ask you
[04:22] <Budoy> about for access to the secondary HDD via xrdp
[04:23] <sydney> Budoy: im sorry,but i have to go.either ask your question here,or on #ubuntu if you dont get an answer here. :D
[07:20] <lyh> How to set tty as default startup?
[07:27] <Unit193> Add 'text' to /etc/default/grub's CMDLINE option after 'quiet splash' and then update-grub
[07:28] <lyh> thank you.i am try
[13:36] <marc__> hey there, i have a little problem... i accidentally clicked on "never show again" when the wifi-notifaction popped up (sucky trackpad)... how do i get it back? anyone here who knows how to do the trick?
[13:37] <marc__> uncle google doesn't seem to provide lxde answers
[21:37] <Gulibuf> hi, can I have a question here about my diffulty with update manager?
[21:38] <holstein> sure
[21:38] <holstein> i suggest, in a terminal "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[21:40] <Gulibuf> ok, is it better than "sudo apt-get clean" and retry?
[21:41] <holstein> Gulibuf: the above is what i use
[21:45] <Gulibuf> ok i see its downloading well... Another question. I get problems using my lexmark printer. Ubuntu doesnt work with Lexmark printers well?
[21:47] <holstein> well, its likey the other way around
[21:48] <holstein> lexmark is or course welcome, encouraged and able to provide support for linux.. but they may not.. though, linux and ubuntu are quite capable of printing documents
[21:48] <holstein> Gulibuf: you can share your specific model and i can search a bit.. or another volunteer might know or have first hand experience
[21:50] <Gulibuf> OK I have a X5075 Lexmark all in one printer and fax scanner
[21:50] <Autoclesis> lubuntu worked fine with my airprint system set up with macs and HP printers
[21:50] <Autoclesis> in fact this Ubuntu stopped working for that
[21:50] <Autoclesis> [dual booted win and ubuntu]
[22:03] <Autoclesis> oh wait no
[22:03] <Autoclesis> Lubuntu stretched and deformed the printing
[22:03] <Autoclesis> or squished it, rather
[22:03] <holstein> i have seen that as well.. i always just try other drivers, or force them, til something works
[22:04] <holstein> *if* it doenst work right out of the box
[22:05] <Gulibuf> can u install windows drivers with wine app or something like that?
[22:06] <holstein> nothing about ubuntu is preventing drivers from working with it
[22:06] <holstein> its just not the right place to put the burden.. its not indtended, or guaranteed to work with linux. so, how can linux bridge the gap?
[22:07] <holstein> it does a great job of providing suppor through generic kernel drivers.. i typically, literally try about 20 drivers or so til i give up, on problematic printers
[22:07] <holstein> if you have literally pluggged it in, and went with the defaults, consider trying a few other drivers.. close in model #..
[22:11] <Autoclesis> thanks holstein
[22:11] <Autoclesis> I like how fast lubuntu is
[22:11] <Autoclesis> I put it on an old Sony Vaio
[22:12] <Autoclesis> and it's ready within one minute of turning it on
[22:26] <phillw> Autoclesis: is for this reason that bugs for 'hibernate' are no longer high priority.
[22:26] <Autoclesis> okay!