[02:15] <Tv__> fyi the http access method of the ubuntu-oneiric.git repo is out of date
[04:04] <Tv__> what's the "ref" in "linux-header-3.0.0-12-ref-generic" ?
[06:01] <_ruben> hrm .. is $ARCH supposed to be amd64 or x86_64 on a 64bits -server system? apparently it should be x86_64, but i got systems where it's amd64 which breaks (out of tree) kernel (module) compiles
[06:06] <_ruben> yet uname -m yields x86_64 just fine... strange
[06:12] <ohsix> the arch name changed a looong time ago when the arch's were combined under x86
[06:12] <_ruben> and this being on lucid, i really wonder where it's getting the amd64 stuff from
[06:17] <_ruben> adding export ARCH=$(uname -m) to debian/rules seems to work, but is rather nasty :)
[07:37] <smb> morning
[07:37] <apw> _ruben, the kernel arch and the debian arch differ
[07:37] <apw> but the rules should be handling it if your are using them the way the Debian gods intended
[07:38] <apw> smb, morning
[07:59] <ppisati> morning *
[08:04] <apw> ppisati, moin
[08:07] <cking> yawn
[08:33] <smb> cking, morning
[08:49]  * apw waves to cking
[08:50]  * apw notes that he sees a helicopter every time he says your name
[08:50] <amitk> cking
[08:51] <amitk> (nope, no helicopter. Must be a London thing)
[08:53] <apw> heh
[08:53] <smb> apw, As long as there are no people in black dangling from it into you room...
[08:53] <apw> no this is entirly in my head thankfully
[09:42]  * ppisati bails out for a bit...
[09:47] <cking> helicopters?
[09:48] <jk-> sea-king ?
[09:49] <jk-> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Westland_Sea_King
[09:51] <smb> Gnome engines... :-)
[10:58] <cking> droll
[12:34] <apw> jk-, that was what i was aluding to yes
[12:35] <apw> ppisati, you have this work-item ope
[12:35] <apw> open "[p-pisati] look into generating a trimmed down config for debug purposes (maybe discuss at the platform sprint): TODO
[12:35] <apw> any idea what it is about and what we ahould do with it
[12:36] <ppisati> apw: it wasn't really an action
[12:36] <ppisati> apw: i was looking for some useful configs for debugging
[12:37] <ogra_> apw, we discussed it last arm meeting, i thought i asked ppisati tzo close it
[12:37] <ogra_> (close as in POSTPONE to P)
[12:38] <ogra_> we will definitely have kernel config sync meertings at UDS for arm
[12:39] <ppisati> postponed
[12:53] <apw> ogra_, ppisati, thanks
[13:43]  * ogasawara back in 20
[16:32]  * apw is going to wander somewhere sunnier and enjoy the outside for a bit ... and think about quirks
[16:45] <cking> how quirky
[17:50]  * tgardner -> lunch
[18:38] <cr3> hi folks, I'd appreciate some help to understand some of the devices output by udevadm: I'm looking at a webcam which seems to have two entries, one on the usb and another one on the input subsystem. what's the difference?
[19:52] <cr3> is there a recommended way to determine the number bits per long based on information gathered from a system? for example, if I rely in uname -m, is there a reference table mapping all the known machine types to the number of bits per long?
[20:00] <dannf> cr3:
[20:00] <dannf> int main() {
[20:00] <dannf>   printf("long is %d bytes\n", sizeof(long));
[20:00] <dannf> }
[20:00] <tgardner> cr3, perhaps do some hackery with gcc ?
[20:00] <tgardner> dannf, :)
[20:02] <cr3> dannf: based on information gathered though and I'd rather not have to compile something just to gather that information, something that apport could report for example
[20:03] <cr3> tgardner: indeed, perhaps I could get that information with some gcc magic on the command line, but I'd be more inclined to build my own table from the output of uname -m even though I hate building my own tables :(
[20:04] <tgardner> cr3, dpkg-architecture ? DEB_HOST_ARCH_BITS=64
[20:04] <cr3> dannf: for example, lets say apport already reports dmesg or udev information, so might there be heuristics to extrapolate the bits per long from that information?
[20:05] <cr3> tgardner: I like it!
[20:05] <dannf> cr3: seems tricky in the bi/multi arch world. uname -m is from the kernel - but you can run architectures that support 4 or 8 bytes per long on it
[20:05] <tgardner> cr3, requires dpkg-dev
[20:05] <dannf> depends on what you're after of coures
[20:06] <mdeslaur> doesn't sparc64 have 4-byte longs?
[20:06] <mdeslaur> oh, maybe not
[20:06] <mdeslaur> meh
[20:07] <cr3> dannf: very good point, I'm after the KEY= part output by udevadm where "10000 0 0 0 0" might refer to very different bits depending on the bits per long. that's a kernel thing though, so uname -m would aptly correspond to the output of udev
[20:08] <cr3> tgardner: I like less dpkg-dev but I'll certainly have a look at the source just in case it provides another hint
[20:09] <cr3> err, I like less *depending on* dpkg-dev... I do like dpkg-dev :)
[20:11] <cr3> rapture! /usr/share/dpkg/cputable
[20:12]  * jjohansen -> lunch/run
[20:13] <cr3> that is one freaking useful table, x86_64 vs amd64 always annoyed me but this table makes for a meaningful conversion between the two
[20:13] <tgardner> cr3, glad we could help :)
[20:14] <tgardner> gotta go
[20:14] <cr3> tgardner: always a pleasure hanging around here, although a bit too silent... must be because it's hard to type while holding a beer in one hand
[20:15] <mdeslaur> lol
[20:51] <pgraner> ogasawara, can you check into bug 710733
[20:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 710733 in linux "LKCD Not Executing kexec Properly" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/710733
[20:55] <lamont> in the end, did we decide that there wasn't actually any easier way to get the umask for process N than to attach to it with gdb and p umask(0) ?


[01:36] <_aD> I'm getting "load balancer took too long to connect to an application server" but can't see scheduled work or an outage listed on the Twitter account
[01:36] <_aD> has something taken a lie down? :-)
[01:37] <wgrant> _aD: What was the URL?
[01:37] <_aD> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~widelands-dev/widelands/trunk/revision/7696
[01:37] <wgrant> Ah, codebrowse, notoriously unreliable.
[01:37] <wgrant> Let me see.
[01:37] <_aD> I'd browsed a few other revisions without a problem, then started getting that error a few minutes ago
[01:38] <_aD> The problem child, eh?
[01:38] <wgrant> We use pygments for syntax highlighting, and every year or so someone writes some new code that causes it to take exponential time.
[01:39] <wgrant> That's what usually makes it unhappy, at least.
[01:39] <_aD> taking a page out of Windows Update's book, then
[01:39] <wgrant> Come now, we're not quite that catastrophically slow.
[01:39] <_aD> Or RAM hungry :-)
[02:42] <_aD> looks to be working again now wgrant, many thanks for your TLC
[02:43] <_aD> and/or application of the hammer


[01:38] <Ben64> having some weird audio issues, microphone sounds all chipmunky and stuttery because of unknown reasons. From a fresh boot, everything is great, but if I open Audacity it gets bad, like it's sampling super quick, running out of data, then waiting for more samples to go through instantly
[02:18] <Thete> can anyone explain to me as to why when you install ubuntu on a separate hard drive, it modifies the EFI system on the windows drive and doesn't create it's own EFI system on the drive you install ubuntu to instead?  this is such a mess if I ever have to reinstall windows
[02:19] <Thete> so then I have 2 EFI systems where grub works on the windows one, and doesn't work on the ubuntu one so I get duplicate boot menu entries
[02:22] <Thete> I really wish you guys would make grub not use the EFI System partition on the windows drive or at least put an option to not do it
[02:47] <aleksandrdvorkin> hi guys I just installed skype on Macbook running Ubuntu 18.04 but the camera is not working
[03:32] <gbellinoz> Has anybody else noticed that aptitude doesn't separately list security updates any more?
[03:48] <gbellinoz> an aptitude search finds updates from security sources.
[06:22] <cthulchu> installing amd radeon drivers is a headache. Wasted four hours of my life. and still no drivers
[06:28] <Vooloo> how can I turn off the terminal bell on the calculator?
[06:31] <tomreyn> cthulchu: are those which come with ubuntu not working for you do you need special functionality?
[06:32] <tomreyn> Vooloo: i only know how to generally enable / disable the system alert sound, which is in settings -> sound -> sound effects (tab)
[06:33] <cthulchu> the ones that come with ubuntu are... generic
[06:33] <cthulchu> I feel like they use intel card instead and it also lacks drivers what feels like
[06:34] <cthulchu> resolution is 1024x768
[06:34] <cthulchu> painful af
[06:34] <cthulchu> also there's no smooth transition
[06:34] <cthulchu> anyhow. Will try reinstalling the os to 18
[06:34] <cthulchu> I'm on 19
[06:35] <cthulchu> maybe 19 is weird this way
[06:35] <tomreyn> !YY.MM | cthulchu
[06:35] <tomreyn> which hardware do you have there? did you check you system logs on what's not working well?
[06:36] <cthulchu> took them from here: https://ubuntu.com/download/desktop
[06:36] <cthulchu> I didn't check the log, no
[06:36] <cthulchu> I just doubt it would indicate anything useful
[06:36] <cthulchu> it just uses some generic video driver and that's it
[06:37] <cthulchu> Gnome's driver updater failed to find anything
[06:37] <cthulchu> it's weird how using linux with time doesn't get easier.
[06:37] <OerHeks> depends on what hardware, what GPU is this?
[06:37] <tomreyn> this "generic" driver is one which usually works well for everyone. you seem to be convinced that you need to find some other driver which will work better for some reason, not sure what makes you think so.
[06:37] <OerHeks> lscpi could tell
[06:37] <cthulchu> radeon hd 6400m/7400m series
[06:38] <cthulchu> and another one is intel
[06:38] <cthulchu> built-in stuff
[06:39] <tomreyn> i bet the logs would have useful information, yes.
[06:40] <cthulchu> I'm gonna reinstall the os
[06:40] <cthulchu> I suspect I should've gone with TLS
[06:40] <cthulchu> *LTS
[06:41] <tomreyn> the "driver updater" you're probably referring to is an application which enables you to install proprietary drivers in select situations where the hardware producer does not provide proper open source drivers. that's not the case for the hardware you have, though, AMD supports the development of open source drivers.
[06:42] <cthulchu> uh
[06:42] <cthulchu> idk
[06:42] <cthulchu> I mean, I downloaded the driver from their site
[06:43] <cthulchu> but upon install, I got an error that my version of... UI or something is not what it expect
[06:43] <cthulchu> googling the error didn't help.
[06:44] <tomreyn> downloading the driver from amd.com was not something you needed to do, and which could likely have helped.
[06:44] <cthulchu> what could help then?
[06:44] <tomreyn> those open source drivers ship with ubuntu. in rare situations, maybe yours, some tweaking may be needed to make them work well.
[06:44] <OerHeks> if that card is using the openradeon driver, that is it.
[06:45] <cthulchu> ok, how do I check if a proper driver is used?
[06:45] <cthulchu> I mean, I know it's not proper
[06:45] <cthulchu> cuz I only have one resolution option
[06:45] <cthulchu> and that's usually the video driver issue
[06:45] <tomreyn> lspci -knn | grep -A3 VGA | nc termbin.com 9999
[06:47] <tomreyn> also share this to check which bios version you're on: dmesg | grep 'DMI:'
[06:47] <cthulchu> tomreyn, https://termbin.com/pg7m6
[06:47] <cthulchu> [    0.000000] DMI: Hewlett-Packard HP ProBook 4530s/167C, BIOS 68SRR Ver. F.09 05/13/2011
[06:48] <cthulchu> also what hotkey do you use to copy from terminal?
[06:48] <cthulchu> hell I miss copy on select.
[06:48] <cthulchu> will have to replace the native terminal or something
[06:48] <tomreyn> so your graphics hardware and the proper drivers for them was detected fine, but (maybe due to end user misconfiguration?) their drivers are not being used, but you'Re running in fallback mode.
[06:48] <cthulchu> what's a fallback mode?
[06:49] <cthulchu> oh
[06:49] <cthulchu> damn
[06:50] <cthulchu> it wouldn't be caused by nomodeset?
[06:50] <tomreyn> it sure would
[06:50] <cthulchu> damn
[06:50] <tomreyn> at least in your case
[06:50] <tomreyn> with this hardware
[06:50] <cthulchu> well, the installation would freeze without nomodeset
[06:50] <cthulchu> silently
[06:50] <cthulchu> had to google to find a solution
[06:51] <tomreyn> but you installed since, right?
[06:51] <cthulchu> well ye, but people claim it should stay nomodest
[06:51] <cthulchu> otherwise it bricks system load
[06:52] <cthulchu> ok, I'll try.
[06:52] <tomreyn> i don't know who these people are or why they would say so, but YMMV
[06:53] <tomreyn> to me it rather looks like someone is jumping to conclusions because something did not work out of the box. which is, of course, not how it should be, but also sometimes not possible to prevent.
[06:53] <cthulchu> weird, holding shift did nothing
[06:54] <tomreyn> if you're booting in uefi mode and are trying to bring up the grub menu, you'll need to press escape, possibly multiple times
[06:56] <cthulchu> it's fine, I can edit it from within the OS
[06:56] <cthulchu> which is cool
[06:58] <tomreyn> did you install all available ubuntu updates, yet? if not, i recommend you do.
[06:58] <cthulchu> I did
[06:58] <cthulchu> well, I had to do the apt-get update and upgrade
[06:58] <cthulchu> otherwise wifi didn't work
[06:58] <cthulchu> which is funny enough.
[06:59] <cthulchu> and then the GUI wanted to update stuff, so I let it
[06:59] <cthulchu> also upgrade took like ten-fifteen minutes
[07:00] <cthulchu> yeah, it bricks with no nomodeset
[07:00] <cthulchu> uh, this is a lot harder than it should be
[07:01] <tomreyn> your system bios looks very outdated, current is F.65 Rev.A (Feb 22, 2018)
[07:01] <cthulchu> you think it can be a bios issue?
[07:01] <tomreyn> maybe, hard to tell, i haven't seen any logs.
[07:01] <cthulchu> ok, later then. Gonna go to bed. Thanks for the help. See you later.
[07:02] <tomreyn> see you
[07:26] <karan23245680> Guys , need help in MAAS (Metal-as-a-service)
[07:26] <karan23245680> Hi Guys , I am stuck at MAAS 2.6 Commissioning fails due to lldpd install dependency, is this a proxy issue ? , I am not using any proxy , its a private network and using mobile phone as internet network sharing One windows server connected to MAAS server and all baremetal servers through internet connection sharing I tried no proxy and MAAS-in
[07:26] <karan23245680> build proxy in setting tab on MAAS UI guys help required
[07:29] <ducasse> karan23245680: try #maas
[07:31] <Woodpecker> Setting up a little toolchain for restarting a server. When I go `killall node && nodemon` << if there are no node processes, killall returns 1 and nodemon does not start.
[07:31] <Woodpecker> is there anything I can use besides &&? will || work?
[07:38] <tomreyn> Woodpecker: && and || will either run or not run the next command based on the previous commands' exit code. apparently you want to run the next command in either case? if so, just use ;
[07:38] <Woodpecker> !cookie | tomreyn
[07:40] <tomreyn> Woodpecker: more shell help in #bash and at this wiki https://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide
[07:40] <Woodpecker> !cookies | tomreyn
[07:40] <Woodpecker> what an embarrassing bot
[07:41] <tomreyn> it just likes cookies, like every good bot.
[07:44] <danbe> does macspoofing work on bionic with latest kernel?i tried and it breaks wifi connection.ideas?
[07:45] <lotuspsychje> !info macchanger | danbe
[07:47] <tomreyn> i think you can actually just set the desired mac address in the (network manager) connection profile
[07:47] <tomreyn> the "cloned address"
[07:48] <tomreyn> on the "identity" tab
[07:56] <danbe> thanks for your answers.will check it out
[07:58] <karan23245680> no reply coming from #maas channel , anyone can help here for MAAS related query
[08:00] <tomreyn> unlikely, we only do regular ubuntu and its flavours here. there's also #ubuntu-server, but even they may just point you to #maas
[08:00] <tomreyn> there are commercial support offerings, though.
[08:00] <tomreyn> karan23245680: ^
[08:43] <neure> hi
[08:44] <neure> is there terminal app which allows to change window title bar colors?
[08:45] <neure> I know I can edit ~/.config/gtk-3.0/gtk.css but I want different colors in different terminal windows
[08:47] <TJ-> neure: I believe some terminal applications can do that via sending them ANSI escape sequences
[08:51] <ryuo> TJ-: i know they can set the tab/terminal title, but i've never heard of one that could change the color outside of the terminal window.
[08:52] <TJ-> ryuo: ahhh, I see what you mean. Then likely 'no'
[08:53] <TJ-> ryuo: if it is X then maybe you can use some of the low-level X tools to make changes
[08:53] <ryuo> that has to be solved by something else, though i've never heard of this as a feature. most terminals render the tabs/windows the same.
[08:53] <ryuo> if it's the window title bar, then it has to be handled by the WM.
[08:53] <ryuo> otherwise it's an application specific problem.
[08:53] <ryuo> ... unless you're using CSD i guess.
[08:55] <tomreyn> since gnome now has a "terminal server", maybe this can handle it.
[09:02] <TJ-> I'd just stick with tmux
[09:13] <gbellinoz> neure: with gtk.css, how do you figure out the class names / selectors of the various application elements? There's no "inspector" like browsers have, is there?
[09:56] <nikolam> How do I avoid machine freezing , when Firefox fills the RAM?
[09:57] <nikolam> This seems like general Linux problem.
[10:01] <amrasouli79_> Hello, I was installed Ubuntu server (also with Gnome) to my VPS.Now the problem  is how I can connect to my VPS via GUI and no iust SSH?
[10:03] <TJ-> amrasouli79_: that is an unusual arrangement; the point of a server is usually not to operate a GUI since you've then got to send all those bits over the network using something like VNC or RDP, or possibly per-applcation with ssh -X forwarding
[10:05] <amrasouli79_> TJ-:No,that is a server for personal usage and no more
[10:07] <amrasouli79_> TJ-:you told VNC:is it a app or something else.this mean can I config it to access my VPS;
[10:09] <TJ-> !vnc | amrasouli79_
[10:25] <amrasouli79_> ubottu:THANK
[10:25] <amrasouli79_> TJ-:THANK
[10:29] <tomreyn> nikolam: this can be https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=196729 which is also tracked at Ubuntu bug 1833281
[10:30] <tomreyn> nikolam: you can choose not to have swap, or to set a swapiness of 0 (so no swap is used but you can still suspend to disk) as a workaround. generally, this only happens on systems with a shortage of physical memory, i think.
[10:31] <guei0> hi , i'm using vbox , i'm trying to set the network to bridge adapter , it doesn't show anything , no name there , how can i fix it ?
[10:31] <guei0> i'm using ehternet connection on my devise
[10:32] <tomreyn> choosing not to have swap would then cause the OOM killer to become active and kill processes when you run out of ram. most likely it'll kill firefox first if this is the most memory consuming process. but it's not guaranteed (though there are settings you can change to make it more likely it will kill firefox rather than other processes)
[10:32] <tomreyn> nikolam: ^
[10:33] <tomreyn> guei0: which ubuntu version and which virtualbox version are you using?
[10:34] <tomreyn> guei0: is your user account in the "vboxusers" group? the "groups" command would tell, it lists all of your group memberships.
[10:36] <guei0> im using vbox 6
[10:36] <guei0> and yes my user account there
[10:37] <tomreyn> lsb_release -ds    returns your ubuntu version number.     apt list --installed virtualbox*    lists the exact virtualbox version
[10:38] <tomreyn> did you reboot since installing virtualbox?
[10:38] <tomreyn> guei0: ^
[10:41] <nikolam> tomreyn, I disabled swap in /etc/fstab (for not to trash SSD) and it's still the same.
[10:42] <nikolam> OOM is not killing anything, system just freezes/is very slow on interactive response in every way.
[10:42] <tomreyn> nikolam: how much ram do you have there?
[10:42] <nikolam> Best would be for system to funcion like before, while Firefox is halted with RAM usage at some point.
[10:43] <nikolam> 3.3GB usable on this platform, minus 128MB MIN. for ZFS ARC cache.
[10:43] <nikolam> Problem were also visible before on 8GB machine, behaved the same way and for the same reason.
[10:44] <tomreyn> don't use ZFS on low memory systems.
[10:44] <nikolam> Currently no ZFS pools active, only BTRFS. And as said RAM usage for it is limited in settings.
[10:45] <tomreyn> hmm, did you have a look at your system logs after this occured?
[10:45] <tomreyn> how do you reboot when it happens?
[10:46] <TJ-> nikolam: have you thought to try the -lowlatency kernel ?
[10:46] <tomreyn> !sysrq | nikolam this may help keeping logs when the system 'freezes'
[10:47] <nikolam> tomreyn, I sometimes wait for a very long time, for power dialogue to display after power button press, so I can (very slowly) click on shutdown,
[10:47] <nikolam> but more oftec I just need to hard-reset the machine.
[10:47] <TJ-> -generic relies on cooperative multi-threading whereas -lowlatency uses preemptive
[10:47] <nikolam> So there might be some logs
[10:48] <tomreyn> -lowlatency may help then, i guess.
[10:48] <ryuo> nikolam: i use ZFS on a laptop but I have 16G of physical RAM...
[10:48] <nikolam> TJ-, I didn't know that.. huh. I'll try then other kernel from the distro.
[10:48] <TJ-> I've always used -lowlatency on desktop systems
[10:49] <nikolam> ryuo, Amount of ohysical RAM used by ZFS is set in /etc/modprobe.d/zfs.conf so you can control it.
[10:49] <ryuo> well, w/e. just saying that's what i use with the default settings.
[10:49] <nikolam> TJ-, Thank you, will try it and see if it is better.
[10:50] <ryuo> more physical RAM could help.
[10:50] <ryuo> DDR3 is incredibly cheap right now on ebay...
[10:50] <nikolam> ryuo, default settigns for ZFS are to eat all your RAM if it can, so better set zfs_arc_max= and options zfs zfs_arc_min=
[10:51] <nikolam> You can have many gigs of RAM but you still need to set up your machine. (Depending it can hold more Ram)
[10:51] <TJ-> does ZFS stand for Zero-RAM Firefox Surrenders ?
[10:52] <ryuo> ok... i've never had the issue you describe with ZFS but w/e.
[10:52] <jaggz> hey, I have a colocated server that has wily running on it..
[10:53] <tomreyn> jaggz: hopefully it's not connected to the internet
[10:53] <jaggz> the provider (godaddy) controls the kernel, but I have my own root access and can update sources.list and stuff
[10:53] <jaggz> tomreyn, srsly
[10:54] <jaggz> now, it looks like LTS of even ubuntu 14 (trusty) runs until 2022 (wily is 15, and not listed here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases)
[10:54] <tomreyn> wily has been end of life for loooong, it's dead, dead, dead. running this on the internet is a risk to your system, the data it stores and th einternet itself.
[10:55] <ryuo> jaggz: and we don't service ACME products here. ;)
[10:55] <jaggz> heh
[10:55] <jaggz> acme still exists
[10:55] <nikolam> TJ-, ZFS is in production since 2006, I think it does not.
[10:55] <jaggz> so.. I'm wondering about the proper way to update this system.. should I go to 16, then 18?
[10:56] <tomreyn> !wily
[10:56] <tomreyn> you could try this, but reinstalling is certainly the better approach. but you'll need a newer kernel anyways.
[10:57] <jaggz> the kernel is newer than my current debian system
[10:57] <jaggz> 4.2.0
[10:57] <jaggz> I think since godaddy controls the kernel, they keep that updated by force
[10:58] <tomreyn> well we only support ubuntus kernels here. get a proper VM.
[10:58] <tommy``> there is a way to xdg-open stop asking me what i want to do with magnets? I've chromium but i can't see any flag to "remember the choice"
[11:05] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[11:07] <tommy``> heya
[11:17] <tomreyn> jaggz: i sent you an alternative hosting suggestion by private message (it's OT here).
[11:17] <barnex> Hey, I've tried this yesterday, but I'm gonna try again: xdg-open suddenly stopped working for me. strace says it's browsing my Music directory for reasons I don't understand and also getting into infinite loops there:
[11:18] <barnex> lstat("Music///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////Thelonius Monk The complete riverside recordings/", {st_mode=S_IFDIR|0755, st_size=4096, ...}) = 0
[11:18] <barnex> So the amount of '/' is worrying me.
[11:18] <Baikonur> that is, indeed, a lot of '/'s
[11:19] <barnex> there doesn't seem to be any symbolic links from ~/Music to ~/Music, maybe deeper in subdirs
[11:20] <barnex> but I don't think the path would look like that?
[11:20] <tommy``> anyone read my message before i quit?
[11:22] <barnex> at least find in ~/Music doesn't go into infinite loops
[11:22] <barnex> but I'm not sure why xdg-open even needs to go into my ~/Music
[11:27] <Ilgaz> Guys, when we manage to boot the Linux kernel with an argument like acpi_osi= and if it doesn't boot at all when we don't give that argument, do we report it to kernel/ubuntu maintainers? I mean on a particular machine
[11:27] <lotuspsychje> !details | Ilgaz
[11:28] <lotuspsychje> Ilgaz: the machine brand, kernel version and ubuntu version would be very handy for the volunteers to know
[11:28] <Ilgaz> hp pavillion x360 here. It boots to any Linux including all Ubuntu when you pass "acpi_osi=" argument to kernel. I was trying for 3 years, literally
[11:29] <lotuspsychje> Ilgaz: is your bios up to date on this machine?
[11:29] <Ilgaz> lotuspsychje: I mean just like Web browsers have site workarounds, does Ubuntu installer have workarounds for specific machines?
[11:30] <Ilgaz> lotuspsychje: yes, F41 now. It got constantly updated because of HT thing
[11:30] <lotuspsychje> Ilgaz: well, before we try workarounds, it would be advisable to find the root cause of this first
[11:32] <Ilgaz> lotuspsychje: I must have done every trick. acpi=off would load&run any 4.x kernel but will hard freeze 5.x Thanks to the wireless broadcom nightmare, I found acpi_osi= argument which basically enables whole machine to Linux
[11:32] <lotuspsychje> Ilgaz: can we see a dmesg from this machine please?
[11:37] <Ilgaz> lotuspsychje: current right? what is the easiest way to do it from terminal?
[11:37] <lotuspsychje> !dmesg | Ilgaz
[11:38] <lotuspsychje> !pastebinit | Ilgaz
[11:38] <Ilgaz> >file.txt trickery didn't work :-)
[11:39] <Ilgaz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3FbHTzSDWP/
[11:40] <Ilgaz> lotuspsychje: It is particularly interesting that this machine doesn't boot to any Linux 4.x+ , it isn't directly Ubuntu but all Linuxes
[11:41] <lotuspsychje> Ilgaz: if this issue keeps haunting you on several ubuntu versions, perhaps you should file a new !bug ?
[11:41] <tommy``> lotuspsychje: you know the answer to my issue?
[11:42] <lotuspsychje> tommy``: did you ask a question?
[11:42] <lotuspsychje> Ilgaz: are you sure that 2018 bios is latest?
[11:42] <Ilgaz> I believe this hits to every similar machine user. Ubuntu&Gnome is the ideal "2 in 1" solution, it performs amazingly better than Win 10. Even concept change etc works 10x faster
[11:43] <tommy``> yes but i rebooted, i would like that xdg-open stop asking me forever to open magnet links with bittorrent, i can't find any "remember choice" check
[11:43] <Ilgaz> lotuspsychje: yes, I always keep an eye on HP BIOS updates page since they don't tell it in their software update anymore.
[11:43] <lotuspsychje> brb
[11:44] <ryuo> Ilgaz: is that the ryzen based one?
[11:44] <Ilgaz> ryuo: No, I heard the ryzen thing. This is Intel i5 with HD 5500 GPU
[11:45] <Ilgaz> Machine does have a dedicated, illuminated Windows key. Can give a clue about how Windows centric they made it
[11:45] <ryuo> Ilgaz: what versions have you tried?
[11:46] <ryuo> oh.
[11:46] <ryuo> nevermind
[11:46] <Ilgaz> Funny thing is, Ubuntu even uses that key (I just tried) Even illuminates it when pressed
[11:46] <ryuo> it's probably hardware controlled.
[11:46] <ryuo> that's the case for this probook.
[11:46] <Ilgaz> ryuo: I am trying to boot into Linux since 2016 and just by 1 argument, it boots fine
[11:47] <Ilgaz> ryuo: Refind/Refit author says the EFI BIOS on many machines are buggy, I also believe the BIOS is the root cause of this
[11:48] <ryuo> so you booted with the old one then?
[11:48] <Ilgaz> on some Pavillion models, Ubuntu is officially supported but it isn't the case here.
[11:48] <Ilgaz> ryuo: any kernel 4.x+ will boot with "acpi_osi=" argument passed to kernel
[11:49] <ryuo> and without?
[11:49] <Ilgaz> It could be the case for other machines too. It fails otherwise, like a hard bricked Android phone, black screen with cursor and nothing happens
[11:49] <ryuo> what distributions have you tried?
[11:50] <Ilgaz> All Ubuntu, Fedora 30-31, Debian 10.1 , Debian 9.x
[11:51] <ryuo> I usually try manjaro because it's rolling release.
[11:51] <Ilgaz> That argument tells Linux not to claim it is Windows BTW, by default it claims it is Windows when asked by BIOS
[11:51] <ryuo> legacy reasons.
[11:51] <Ilgaz> yea
[11:52] <Ilgaz> Manjaro if I remember right, has a different issue when acpi=off passed, it won't detect keyboard. I also reported that one
[11:53] <ryuo> all i can tell you is there's something wrong with the ACPI tables.
[11:54] <ryuo> HP consumer devices tend to have more compatibility issues.
[11:54] <Ilgaz> I mean, I tried to report everything while having issues. Funny thing is,now Ubuntu performs far better&intuitive than Windows 10 here. No more freezes when you change to tablet mode, virtual keyboard opens perfectly even with Firefox
[11:54] <ryuo> I've had far fewer ones with business hardware.
[11:55] <Ilgaz> Yes, it seems like these machines are only tested for Windows 8.1+ which came with the device. I noticed they even have dedicated Ubuntu sections with their pro manuals.
[11:55] <ryuo> ProBook 455 G5, only outstanding issue is the FP reader is incompatible.
[11:56] <ryuo> rest of the issues were fixed by a kernel patch and a bios updte
[11:57] <ryuo> audio LEDs weren't working; i found out how to make it work and wrote a kernel patch to enable the hardware specific workaround to make it work.
[11:59] <Ilgaz> ryuo: You know, kernel got too complex for people like me to follow&hand build things. I just wonder what is the Ubuntu policy on non-working hardware. Do they try to  pass workarounds for a set of machines? I don't think so, it would make things very complex
[12:04] <ryuo> Ilgaz: how do you think the upstream kernel works? there's lots of device specific workarounds.
[12:05] <ryuo> all i had to do was add my hardware ids to an existing set of kernel functionality.
[12:05] <ryuo> then again my issue was trivial by comparison.
[12:12] <The_LoudSpeaker> Query: How do I install steam on eoan? I tried apt install steam-installer but it says unmet dependencies, depends on steam but it is not installable.
[12:15] <Ilgaz> Same here
[12:16] <Ilgaz> It seems like their download installer etc things doesn't work
[12:17] <BluesKaj> The_LoudSpeaker, probly due to the fact that Eoan is not an official release yet
[12:17] <Ilgaz> Yes
[12:17] <The_LoudSpeaker> As far as I recall, there was some ppa I had to add. Someone answered last time when I asked for 19.04. but I lost my previous messages due to shift to quassel from znc.
[12:17] <The_LoudSpeaker> BluesKaj: That could be it. But I would like to try from that PPA once.
[12:18] <Ilgaz> 19.04 isn't an official release? I mean most gamers tend to use the latest OS, steam guys should know it
[12:18] <tomreyn> !ubuntu+1
[12:18] <BluesKaj> The_LoudSpeaker, why not wait 'til Thurs for the official release to be safe
[12:18] <The_LoudSpeaker> tomreyn: Thanks!
[12:19] <The_LoudSpeaker> BluesKaj: Coz there's a LAN party tonight. XD
[12:19] <BluesKaj> bah!
[12:20] <Ilgaz> I got 19.04 and steam doesn't work either
[12:21] <The_LoudSpeaker> It works. I was using it till last week.
[12:21] <The_LoudSpeaker> Someone here had pointed me to a PPA.
[12:21] <The_LoudSpeaker> Then sudo apt Install steam worked.
[12:22] <BluesKaj> lucky you :-)
[12:22] <Ilgaz> I am loading from Terminal, lets see what fails. Man their Font, my eyes :-)
[12:29] <Kemopan> Hello! Is it worth to update ubuntu 12.04 to ubuntu 18.04 or better to make clean install? My main concern that much of stuff changed and I'd have to deal with lots of updated configs
[12:30] <Kemopan> May be its better to make new clean install
[12:30] <lotuspsychje> Kemopan: 12.04 is end of life
[12:30] <mgedmin> Kemopan: updates to 14.04 -> 16.04 -> 18.04 are possible; new clean install is also possible; only you can decide which you prefer?
[12:30] <lotuspsychje> Ilgaz: will you be creating a new !bug now?
[12:31] <EriC^^> Kemopan: clean install, less headache
[12:31] <Ilgaz> yes
[12:31] <Kemopan> EriC^^, thats my thought :D
[12:31] <EriC^^> :D
[12:31] <lotuspsychje> Ilgaz: let us know the bug ID when created ok
[12:31] <mgedmin> Kemopan: 14.04 is also EOL, so you'd have to muck with https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades, which is a bit of a pain
[12:31] <mgedmin> clean install is nicer, if it's an option for oyu
[12:31] <Ilgaz> OK thanks for caring
[12:31] <Kemopan> ah thats what I've been looking for, thanks, doing clean install
[12:32] <akem__> Kemopan, If your computer is a bit old check that your computer has enough RAM and all, you might wanna try LUbuntu or something else.
[12:32] <Kemopan> akem__, its virtual machine :P
[12:32] <akem__> Kemopan, Ha ok, Np then.
[12:39] <chopchop> hi all id like to know if i need to setup ufw as a typical desktop user...is irc a server service/daemon? what are some examples (other than ssh) of services, daemons or, server servicies that would make configuring ufw/iptables (for desktop) a good idea
[12:41] <Kemopan> chopchop, you mean something like this? http://www.webmin.com/screens2/firewall-edit.png
[12:43] <Kemopan> me prefer to edit config file in text-editor and iptables-save/iptables-restore when doing changes
[12:45] <amosbird> hmm, I forgot how I made my gpg not asking for passphrase at all even after rebooting..
[12:48] <chopchop> yeah id like to know if i need it on desktop
[12:48] <Ilgaz> lotuspsychje and others, here is the bug report against kernel. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1848017
[12:48] <lotuspsychje> Ilgaz: tnx lets have a look
[12:49] <Ilgaz> They really streamlined the bug report process very good
[12:49] <chopchop> and if i do need it(which i read in an article just now) what are some examples of services or daemons a desktop user may run that would require them to consider using and properly configuring rules
[12:50] <lotuspsychje> Ilgaz: you might want to attach your dmesg as attachment aswell
[12:50] <Ilgaz> oops, yes. Adding
[12:50] <Ilgaz> Oh that wizard added it for me
[12:51] <lotuspsychje> Ilgaz: installation media says 16.04, have you been upgrading since then? and did you try a clean liveusb to compare too?
[12:51] <chopchop> Kemopan, what is that image of specifically
[12:51] <Ilgaz> current-dmesg.txt
[12:51] <lotuspsychje> Ilgaz: oh right, my bad
[12:51] <Kemopan> chopchop, webmin, but I'm not sure what are you doing, do you want to start irc server on your desktop?
[12:52] <Ilgaz> lotuspsychje: yes, it is like I upgraded from 16.04 to 16.10 and when I "fixed" the kernel, I moved to 18.04 as it can boot now.
[12:52] <Ilgaz> I have like 4-5 live USB iso images here, all boots when you pass acpi_osi= argument
[12:52] <chopchop> no i just want to use irc to chat
[12:53] <chopchop> i am very green(inexperienced)
[12:53] <chopchop> and  things like transmission
[12:54] <lotuspsychje> Ilgaz: are you dualbooting uefi?
[12:54] <chopchop> perhaps nextcloud one day but that will be a dedicated old laptop
[12:54] <Ilgaz> Yes, I have refind installed too.
[12:54] <lotuspsychje> Ilgaz: did you try to boot in legacy yet?
[12:55] <Ilgaz> Oh yea, once, Fedora managed to boot in legacy with acpi=off , it installed itself with MBR method destroying Windows boot
[12:56] <Ilgaz> Debian seems to have another issue, it fails at grub-install step (EFI)
[12:56] <Kemopan> chopchop, usually you don't have to edit your firewall for outgoing connections, but nextcloud and torrents require incoming connections
[12:56] <Kemopan> iptables-save > /tmp/iptables
[12:56] <Kemopan> and check that file)
[12:57] <lotuspsychje> Ilgaz: r8169 0000:04:00.0: can't disable ASPM; OS doesn't have ASPM control you got this chipset? r8169?
[12:57] <chopchop> so in that case i would just make a rule according to settings in the respective program
[12:57] <Kemopan> depends on your current policy
[12:57] <Ilgaz> lotuspsychje: there is some issue with ASPM on Windows 10 too as far as I remember
[12:58] <Kemopan> and security you want to achieve
[12:59] <Ilgaz> lotuspsychje: pci=biosirq added for Broadcom 43142, would it be related?
[12:59] <lotuspsychje> Ilgaz: i also got an r8169 bug, doing very weird things resulting in flickering screen
[13:00] <chopchop> i want good security and im not sure what ubuntu requires to not be wide open
[13:00] <Kemopan> chopchop, if you want to make nextcloud, by default it usually utilizes tcp port 443 and tcp port 80, incoming policy is usually drop, especially if its availible on internets, so you'd likely have to allow these incoming ports
[13:01] <Kemopan> chopchop, do iptables-save, you have to understand your current config first :P
[13:01] <chopchop> i update i dont install from random places and im careful re emails and surfing habbits i use firefox and noscript etc
[13:01] <Ilgaz> lotuspsychje: Debian install claims it needs a firmware to function (realtek) but it seems to work fine without it. Perhaps that firmware does the ASPM thing?
[13:01] <Kemopan> or may be you have to go ufw style, I'm not fammiliar with ufw
[13:01] <chopchop> Kemopan, cheers re the iptable-save props
[13:02] <lotuspsychje> Ilgaz: i had to add this to grub: i915.fastboot=0 intel_idle.max_cstate=4
[13:03] <chopchop> ive already learnt the hard way to make a bakup of anything your gonna mess with lols configs etc
[13:04] <chopchop> thinking my usecase is going to be hell basic compared to yours =) thanks for all the advice and knowledge
[13:04] <Kemopan> iptables-save just saves your runtime iptables config
[13:05] <chopchop> yeah i guessed as much
[13:06] <Ilgaz> lotuspsychje: I shouldn't try more things as I am able to boot eh?
[13:06] <lotuspsychje> Ilgaz: you dont have other side effects with that acpi line anymore?
[13:08] <Ilgaz> lotuspsychje: nope. acpi_osi= fixes all problems including battery level not shown, brightness keys not working, wlan "hardware blocked".
[13:08] <lotuspsychje> Ilgaz: ok, lets leave it for the devs indeed then
[13:51] <interweb> Hi, I'm trying to use text-to-speech on Ubuntu and use the Daniel voice (British English). But have not been able to find the right package on Ubuntu that I should be installing. Any thoughts?
[14:59] <AlexPortable> Just installed Ubuntu, but I get this error: System BootOrder not found. Initializing defaults. Creating boot entry "BootXXXX" with label "ubuntu" for the file "\EFI\ubuntu\shimx.efi" Reset System
[14:59] <AlexPortable> How do I set the BootOrder?
[15:14] <tomreyn> AlexPortable: BootOrder there refers to an (U)EFI variable of the same name
[15:14] <tomreyn> sudo efivar | grep BootOrder
[15:16] <tomreyn> actually: sudo efivar -l | grep BootOrder
[15:17] <mgedmin> AlexPortable: is this a one time thing, or do you get that error on every boot?
[15:18] <mgedmin> also, does it continue booting after the error?
[15:28] <AlexPortable> tomreyn: where do i put that command? in the boot screen?
[15:28] <AlexPortable> mgedmin it reboots after error and then shows it again one second, reboots, shows it again, etc
[15:29] <mgedmin> that sounds bad :/
[15:29] <mgedmin> can you get a boot menu?  or enter the bios setup and see if there are options to specify boot order?
[15:29] <jamie_1> hey, im currently running a node server on port 8085 and i have firewalld and ufw dissabled but when i go to curl 8085 from outside even from another computer inside the same network im getting nothing back
[15:30] <jamie_1> if i go on the server and do a curl localhost:8085 it does return the page in which i have running
[15:31] <AlexPortable> in bios boot i can choose between: internal disk, external usb disk, os boot manager, optical disk drive
[15:32] <jamie_1> running an nmap -A localhost -p 8085 i get back 8085/tcp open  http    Node.js (Express middleware)
[15:34] <mgedmin> jamie_1: does netstat -tln | grep 8085 show the node process listening on <IP_ADDRESS>, or on <IP_ADDRESS>?  (if you don't hav netstat, use ss -tnl)
[15:35] <PCatinean> Hey guys
[15:36] <jamie_1> mgedmin: tcp6       0      0 :::8085                 :::*                    LISTEN
[15:36] <mgedmin> huh, it should be reachable then
[15:36] <PCatinean> I have uninstalled pulseaudio-equalizer because it was crashing and when I purged all the other elements it seems I have lost control over my sound (volume up and down button no longer work). Running ubuntu 18.04 on Dell XPS 9560
[15:37] <PCatinean> I tried installing back pulseaudio and stuff but seems it's still not working
[15:37] <jamie_1> mgedmin: i have it running in a google cloud box and i was 99% sure it was setup fine... i have the firewall rules setup on google cloud and i have a feeling its them
[15:37] <jamie_1> but they dont want to admit it
[15:38] <jamie_1> looks like im swapping hosts.... again
[16:20] <WarrenWilkinson> Can anyone confirm a bug? 1. sudo apt-get install xapian-examples   2. g++ `xapian-config --cxxflags --libs` /usr/share/doc/xapian-examples/examples/simpleindex.cc   3. Step two fails... it should succeed.
[16:20] <The_LoudSpeaker> Pros and cons of Installing ubuntu on an extended partition? Also, can it be installed in the first place.
[16:20] <tomreyn> AlexPortable: you'd run it in a terminal window (or TTY) on any UEFI booted linux system. but we already know now that something isn't right with the UEFI var (which are supposed to be stored in the on-board NVRAM), so it would probably just confirm this.
[16:21] <AlexPortable> i reinstalled with only one disk in the system, that works now
[16:21] <tomreyn> AlexPortable: hmm, that's strange
[16:21] <tomreyn> but i'm glad it works
[16:21] <mgedmin> WarrenWilkinson: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ToolChain/CompilerFlags#A-Wl.2C--as-needed
[16:22] <mgedmin> WarrenWilkinson: try putting $(xapian-config --libs) _after_ simpleindex.cc
[16:25] <tomreyn> The_LoudSpeaker: if you cannot use GPT and still have to use msdos, then i'd only create the partition containing /boot as a primary, all others as extended. that's unless you'll never have more than 4 partitions, in which case i'd create them all as primary.
[16:26] <tomreyn> (LVM helps with the latter scenario)
[16:37] <ioria> WarrenWilkinson, it works here (18.04) : g++  -o provaa  /usr/share/doc/xapian-examples/examples/simpleindex.cc  `xapian-config --cxxflags --libs`
[16:38] <ColdKeyboard> Do I have to reboot my server to have new users see a updated MOTD via SSH?
[16:39] <ColdKeyboard> When I run sudo run-parts /etc/update-motd.d/ I can see my new messages, but when I log in via ssh, it still shows the old one
[16:52] <rfm> ColdKeyboard, just guessing here but maybe sshd opens the file at start and keeps it open so it's still seeing the old stuff?  Maybe just restart sshd, less disruptive than a reboot.
[16:54] <ColdKeyboard> rfm: I started digging and for some reason I don't see my script listed when I try run-parts --test --lsbsysinit /etc/update-motd.d
[16:54] <ColdKeyboard> Am I missing something? Do I have to add it to some list? It's in the /etcupdate-motd.d/ folder and has correct permissions
[16:54] <bittin> Updating :)
[17:03] <rfm> ColdKeyboard, no idea; there are restrictions on the names for run-parts scripts (see the manpage)
[17:03] <ioria> ColdKeyboard, is the script marked as executable ?
[17:04] <Mcl0vin> join #vmware
[17:04]  * Mcl0vin roll eyes
[17:04] <ColdKeyboard> rfm: Thanks! Renaming from 10-MyUsage to 10-myusage solved the issue
[17:12] <AlexPortable> how do I make hiberation work? `sudo systemctl hibernate` shuts down the system, but nothing gets saved
[17:13] <tomreyn> your ubuntu version is?
[17:14] <AlexPortable> 19.04 and 19.10
[17:15] <pragmaticenigma> AlexPortable: Are you looking to hibernate (suspend-to-disk) the system from the command line?
[17:15] <tomreyn> i see. do you have software based full disk encryption on 19.04?
[17:16] <AlexPortable> pragmaticenigma: yes, so i can remove the battery and continue later. tomreyn full disk encryption is not enabled
[17:17] <tomreyn> there's bug 1769297
[17:19] <AlexPortable> so this affects everyone?
[17:20] <tomreyn> when the image is autodetected, yes, i think so. also there are https://askubuntu.com/a/23954 and https://askubuntu.com/a/1038856 which discuss various other issues that can get in the way.
[17:27] <kannix> does anyone know if i can somehow easily install a package in ubuntu 18.04 to add bcrypt support to dovecot ?
[18:10] <doug16k> what is the difference between "switch windows of an app directly" and "switch windows of an application directly" in the keybind settings window?
[18:10] <doug16k> oops, latter is "switch windows of an application" (no directly)
[18:11] <doug16k> I used to be able to set that up as Super+Tab to switch between terminator windows. it doesn't work anymore
[18:11] <doug16k> now every "terminator" is its own thing and I can't switch between terminator windows easily, and they don't group into one thing in alt-tab either
[18:17] <doug16k> it works as expected with chromium, and firefox, and steam's windows, so it mostly works
[18:17] <doug16k> seems like a terminator issue now
[18:19] <amrasouli79_> Hello,Is any method to watch movies from torrent (in stream).this mean without download a movie
[18:24] <pragmaticenigma> !warez | amrasouli79_
[18:25] <aqualia> can i get help with installing a software
[18:25] <aqualia> when i run the shell to install the software it says something about the display variable
[18:25] <pragmaticenigma> aqualia: You can, please tell us what version and flavor of ubuntu you are running and give an example of the command you are typing
[18:25] <aqualia> i change the variable like it asks me but then when i run the shell again the program tells me xhost was unable to connect to display
[18:26] <aqualia> I am using Ubuntu 19.04
[18:26] <aqualia> Disco Dingo i believe
[18:26] <aqualia> sh topspin-4.0.7-linux.sh
[18:26] <pragmaticenigma> aqualia: flavor means, Server, Kubuntu, Ubuntu, Lubuntu, etc..
[18:26] <aqualia> oh thanks for the clarification and Ubuntu
[18:27] <aqualia> pragmaticenigma: is there any info i left out?
[18:28] <pragmaticenigma> aqualia: Please understand that support is limited for software not provided by the Software Center. What variable are you attempting to change?
[18:29] <aqualia> pragmaticenigma: i run the command i just showed you then it doesn't work and it tells me to change the dispay variable
[18:30] <aqualia> so i enter export DISPLAY="<hostname>:0
[18:30] <pragmaticenigma> aqualia: export DISPLAY=:0
[18:31] <pragmaticenigma> aqualia: Though if you are using the terminal emulator in Ubuntu, there should be no reason to execute that command
[18:32] <pragmaticenigma> meaning that you are executing the command from a terminal window viewed in the GUI desktop
[18:32] <aqualia> i tried the command that you just told me and the error that i mentioned before
[18:32] <aqualia> what does that mean when it is in the GUI desktop?
[18:33] <aqualia> pragmaticenigma: what can i do to fix this issue then?
[18:36] <TJ-> On 18.04, xubuntu session, had an unexplained user session abruptly terminate since when on session log-in there is no panel available. Hot-keys work to bring up terminal. Not getting a lot of help from the journal/logs - any pointers where to look to figure out what is going on?
[18:39] <aqualia> hello can anoyone help me with the installation of a program when i run the shell it says that there is no display
[18:43] <ryuo> TJ-: .Xsession?
[18:43] <ryuo> err
[18:43] <ryuo> TJ-: .xsession-errors ?
[18:43] <TJ-> ryuo: 1st place I looked
[18:44] <TJ-> There's a "xfce4-panel --display :0.0 ..." process running but not sure what else to expect to give me a clue
[18:45] <amosbird> hmm, what's the default gpg key server?
[18:46] <TJ-> amosbird: possibly keyserver.ubuntu.com
[18:46] <amosbird> ok
[18:47] <TJ-> ryuo: I am suspecting possible corruption/truncation of some file under $HOME/.config/ but hit a stumbling block trying to come up with a way to date-sort the output of find -ls since for recent files in the year column it puts the time instead
[18:53] <ryuo> TJ-: find -printf '%p\t%A@\n' | sort -gk2,2
[18:53]  * ryuo shrugs.
[18:54] <ryuo> not the most readable but it's at least sortable.
[19:08] <Ilgaz> bbl
[19:31] <TJ-> well, this /is/ a hunt for a needle in a haystack!
[19:46] <TJ-> hmmm... "loginctl user-status" seems to indicate that xfce4-panel is running in a separate scope to the the other GUI components... I wonder if that is to be expected... feels wrong
[20:00] <brandonkal> Hello, I have an ubuntu server KVM that won't connect to the network. How would I debug that?
[20:03] <brandonkal> ifconfig only lists lo and docker0
[20:13] <WarrenWilkinson> ioria! You're amazing. It seems if the `xapian-config ...` comes before the source code it doesn't compile... but does if it comes after.
[20:40] <WarrenWilkinson> \quit
[20:42] <doug16k> brandonkal, did you add a network interface to the VM? how are you launching the VM? directly with qemu or with virt-manager?
[20:43] <doug16k> assuming windows guest, and assuming that you set up the network interface with virtio, you can't use that model until you install the redhat virtio drivers in the guest. pick 8139 or e1000, get the redhat guest drivers, and shutdown, select virtio, and reboot. it will work then
[20:44] <doug16k> if it is a linux guest, then your distro may not have the required drivers by default. e1000 is almost guaranteed to work though
[20:45] <doug16k> guest distro
[21:52] <frad> each time I play a mkv file on vlc on top of the application I read a title that is not the file title. Usually I change this with mkvtoolnix, but I dont have enough space in the ssd to convert the files. Is there any command to do this?
[21:55] <kk4ewt> if you dont have the hd space no
[22:18] <doug16k> frad, how close to full is the drive?
[22:21] <frad> doug16k, 1.5 GiB free, but each mkf file is 2 to 3 GiB in size
[22:21] <TJ-> doug16k: how much RAM?
[22:21] <TJ-> oops
[22:22] <TJ-> frad: how much RAM?
[22:22] <doug16k> you could make a little script to copy one at a time into /run/user/$UID, convert it there, then copy it back. it would use RAM as the drive
[22:22] <leftyfb> frad: storage is really cheap these days. Why are you playing with only 1.5G of free space on your system?
[22:23] <doug16k> frad, but only if you have a decent amount of free ram
[22:24] <TJ-> leftyfb: only if there's a way to add said storage
[22:25] <doug16k> frad, you have absolutely no backups I assume
[22:26] <frad> a hehe
[22:26] <frad> 16 ram
[22:26] <frad> 16 gb ram
[22:27] <TJ-> frad: so you could write the edited file into RAM, delete the original, and move the RAM file back to storage


[04:07] <jbicha> darkxst: um, not exactly; the staging ppa is nice because it's a team effort
[04:10] <jbicha> the staging ppa really is prep work for the gnome3 ppa, whereas I see the ricotz testing ppa as a way to get near nightly builds without having to compile it yourself or use jhbuild
[12:41] <ricotz> darkxst, hi, i see you are interested in mozjs187 you might want to give the last g-s/gjs/mozjs packages in ppa:ricotz/staging a try
[12:41] <ricotz> happy new year!
[20:52] <darkxst>  ricotz, sure will try them out
[21:21] <darkxst> ricotz, gnome-sushi needs to be rebuilt against js187
[21:31] <ricotz> darkxst, yes, i know
[21:34] <ricotz> darkxst, are you aware of a newer snapshot than this one from april, or even the creation process of that tarball?
[21:35] <darkxst> ricotz, just looking at that now, since that snapshot did not fix leaks I see
[21:35] <ricotz> ok, thanks
[21:40] <darkxst> just seems to be a couple of minor patches, perhaps we could build directly off the hg branch
[21:40] <darkxst> https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-esr17/
[21:45] <ricotz> darkxst, afaics there are quite some patches which can't be ignored
[21:46] <ricotz> i was hoping they are available somewhere
[21:47] <darkxst> ricotz, library name patches are here https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=628723
[21:49] <darkxst> you can see everything that was done for the 185 release here https://bitbucket.org/wesgarland/js-1.8.5/
[21:50] <darkxst> other than that, there were a couple of patches to fix tests, but I can't find them anywhere https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=735599#c7
[21:59] <darkxst> anyway would make more sense to apply the patches as distro patches, since mozilla clearly arent interested in releasing standalone releases anymore
[22:01] <ricotz> thanks
[22:01] <ricotz> yeah, seems to be so
[23:09] <darkxst> ricotz, http://pastebin.com/M7KsJHfS
[23:11] <darkxst> so seems to just be, this with s/5/7, https://bitbucket.org/wesgarland/js-1.8.5/raw/cf58d9c277c7c4f1dc173ebe8814fa300f4abd84/patches/libname-changes.patch
[23:12] <darkxst> and this https://bug735599.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=618606
[23:12] <darkxst> and the test diff above
[23:23] <darkxst> ricotz, btw this is the branch that the current tarball is based off https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-esr10


[01:39] <smspillaz> Grottenolm: yes, initially minimized windows are a kind of half-supported usecase
[01:39] <smspillaz> they haven't been mapped yet so there isn't too much we can know about them
[13:13] <olli> gm
[13:22] <Grottenolm> smspillaz, this means that there's no simple solution available, right?
[20:32] <tigrang> Is this intended or a bug: Without having locks LO writer to the launcher, open Writer, move the launcher icon in the dock to a new location, close writer, the Writer icon stays in the dock and is locked
[20:33] <tigrang> The app doesnt matter, as long as you dont already have it locked in the launcher
[23:36] <MCR_> smspillaz, hi :)


[00:14] <cmaloney> Yo
[13:19] <cmaloney> Good morning
[13:20] <brousch> So far
[13:25] <cmaloney> That's good to hear. :)
[22:55] <cmaloney> Evening and all that
[22:56] <greg-g> 1 more hour, 1 more hour
[22:56] <greg-g> grandparents (my parents) are in town
[22:57] <cmaloney> Ah, fun


[12:03] <daniels> errrrrrr ...
[12:04] <daniels> (hoary-chroot)daniels@davis:~/kernel/linux-restricted-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>-<IP_ADDRESS>.4 $ grep '#include' /usr/include/asm/setup.h
[12:04] <daniels> #include <asm-m68k/setup.h>
[12:07] <daniels> powerpc is screwed!
[12:07] <daniels> (hoary-chroot)daniels@davis:~/kernel/linux-restricted-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>-<IP_ADDRESS>.4 $ zgrep 'setup.h' Contents-powerpc.gz | grep asm
[12:07] <daniels> usr/include/asm/setup.h                                     devel/linux-kernel-headers
[12:07] <daniels> usr/src/linux-headers-<IP_ADDRESS>-3/include/asm-ppc/setup.h     devel/linux-headers-<IP_ADDRESS>-3
[12:07] <sivang> anybody know if GNOME samba gui interface borked?
[12:07] <sivang> it seems to not be able to find me workgroup anymore
[12:08] <seb128> which app ?
[12:08] <sivang> seb128 : when doing network://
[12:09] <seb128> which version of samba and libgnomevfs2-0 ?
[12:09] <sivang> seb128 : will tell you in a sec.
[12:10] <sivang> seb128 : libgnomevfs2-0 :  2.8.3-5ubuntu1
[12:10] <mdz> daniels: there's a bug in bugzilla about that, iirc
[12:11] <sivang> seb128 : ii  samba          3.0.7-1ubuntu6 a LanManager-like file and printer server fo
[12:11] <sivang> ii  samba-common   3.0.7-1ubuntu6 Samba common files used by both the server a
[12:11] <sivang> seb128 : I am using samba from warty, hoary one borked completly on me..
[12:11] <seb128> sivang: do you have a /usr/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/modules/libsmb.so ?
[12:11] <mdz> daniels: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2728
[12:12] <sivang> seb128 : -rw-r--r--  1 root root 23700 2004-11-25 15:09 /usr/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/modules/libsmb.so
[12:12] <seb128> sivang: ok, that's ok (gnomevfs was bugged due to samba some time ago)
[12:12] <seb128> sivang: so dunno
[12:12] <daniels> mdz: *twitch*
[12:14] <sivang> seb128 : maybe I should have installed the libgnomevfs from warty as well, to allow it to work with samba of hoary?
[12:15] <seb128> sivang: that mean switching all the GNOME package to the warty version, good luck
[12:15] <sivang> seb128 : ahhhhh
[12:15] <sivang> seb128 : :-)
[12:15] <sivang> seb128 : ok, I'll make it work , for real now.
[12:50] <sivang> seb128 : do you know anything of authentication problem with nautilus when accessing shares with user authentication on samba?
[12:50] <seb128> basically samba support is crap
[12:58] <seb128> alex doesn't know a lot about samba and has not windows network to test it
[12:58] <sivang> seb128 : who's alex?
[12:58] <seb128> s/not/no/
[12:58] <seb128> the gnomevfs main hackers
[12:58] <seb128> and the nautilus maintainer too
[12:58] <sivang> seb128 : ok, they hang on the gnome-love || gnome-hackers? Where can I bug them? :)
[12:58] <seb128> bug alex about what ?
[12:58] <seb128> send any patch on the list
[12:58] <sivang> seb128 : help them test ask them about the bugs etc..
[12:58] <sivang> seb128 : ok, I will. tnx :)
[12:58] <seb128> sivang: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-vfs-list/2004-November/msg00010.html
[12:58] <seb128> you can read the recent thread
[12:58] <sivang> seb128 : tnx again!
[12:58] <seb128> np
[12:58] <seb128> s/the/this/
[12:59] <sivang> seb128 : the strange thing here, that it's missing the authentication dialog when tying to log on into one, but when I right click the share, the auth dialog suddenly appreas, however the right menu prevents you from doing any typing in the auth dialog , so I figured this may have something to do with nautilus gui or it's communication with smb auth.
[12:59] <seb128> no idea...
[12:59] <sivang> seb128 : then the right mouse button menu stays on, and I need to do killall nautilus to get a gold back of my desktop.
[01:00] <sivang> seb128 : ok, I'll write that list maybe
[01:04] <daniels> elmo: please install l-k-h from ~daniels/l-k-h in davis's hoary chroot
[01:04] <daniels> elmo: (scared yet?)
[01:04] <elmo> err, why?
[01:05] <daniels> elmo: because asm/setup.h includes asm-m68k/setup.h, which funnily enough doesn't exist on powerpc
[01:05] <daniels> elmo: (creating a hoary-crack chroot may be useful)
[01:07] <mdz> daniels: what's this for?
[01:07] <daniels> mdz: remember the bug you just assigned me?
[01:08] <daniels> at least, I think you did
[01:08] <daniels> yes, you did.
[01:08] <daniels> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2728
[01:09] <daniels> asm-ppc/setup.h is just #include asm-m68k/setup.h, basically, so I pretty much just inlined it
[01:09] <daniels> ditto traps.h, which was in the same situation
[01:12] <daniels> but yes, if I can get l-k-h fixed, then I can test the l-r-m build on powerpc
[01:12] <daniels> and close a bug while I'm at it, at 0013 on Saturday night
[01:14] <elmo> so how is inlining it the right fix?
[01:14] <elmo> or are you not actually trying to fix 2728?
[01:15] <daniels> do you have a better idea?
[01:15] <elmo> did you read the bug?
[01:15] <elmo> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2728#c3
[01:15] <mdz> daniels: yes, but you mentioned it well before that
[01:16] <mdz> daniels: before you knew about that bug, apparently
[01:16] <daniels> elmo: i'm working on the least-invasive principle
[01:16] <daniels> mdz: yes, this is for l-r-m (madwifi is perfectly capable of building on both powerpc and amd64)
[01:17] <mdz> hmm, so it is
[01:17] <mdz> there's a bug about the amd64 half of that
[01:18] <mdz> you can have that one, too, since you're working on it anyway
[01:18] <daniels> mdz: yes, which is marked as being closed in the changelog; you can<EMAIL_ADDRESS>it if you like
[01:18] <daniels> yeah, amd64 already works (sitting in concordia:~daniels)
[01:19] <daniels> s/works/builds ok/
[01:22] <daniels> mdz: are you happy with elmo/herbert's suggestion?
[01:22] <daniels> elmo: thankyou for your input
[01:23] <bob2> (*cough*2.6.9.*cough*)
[01:23] <daniels> bob2: look at the lkh version number
[01:34] <Matt|> hey bob2 you guys got a tv in that house?
[01:34] <Matt|> you should check out channel 3 - english c-list celebrities in the australian bush being idiots
[01:34] <bob2> um, yeah
[01:35] <elmo> kdelibs4-dev | ubuntu-artwork
[01:35] <elmo> *BOGGLE*
[01:35] <bob2> hahha
[01:40] <GotD0t> anybody know why after upgrading to hoary my system is slow as hell?
[01:40] <mojo> has anyone seen pitti recently?
[01:40] <mojo> GotD0t: it's normal, it's still buggy
[01:40] <bob2> GotD0t: install ubuntu-desktop
[01:40] <Matt|> GotD0t, have you installed gamin?
[01:41] <GotD0t> Matt|, whats that?
[01:41] <Matt|> GotD0t, it is a replacement for fam, which is removed
[01:41] <Matt|> ?
[01:41] <GotD0t> Matt|, no i haven't
[01:41] <GotD0t> Matt|, is that why?
[01:41] <Matt|> yup probably
[01:42] <Matt|> daniels needs a hug
[01:42] <GotD0t> bob2: whats ubuntu-desktop
[01:42] <GotD0t> why Matt|
[01:42] <Matt|> his quit message
[01:42] <bob2> GotD0t: a package you should have installed
[01:42] <GotD0t> bob2, will it help?
[01:42] <bob2> GotD0t: yes, it will bring in gamin
[01:43] <GotD0t> Matt|, after installing gamin do i need to do anythign else?
[01:43] <Matt|> nope
[01:43] <Matt|> *laughs* ubuntu-desktop installs 61 new packages on my system
[01:45] <GotD0t> it wanted to remove fglrx-control and fglrx-driver... somehow that seems wrong
[01:45] <bob2> meh
[01:45] <bob2> or just install gamin
[01:45] <Matt|> ;)
[01:45] <GotD0t> i did bob2
[01:47] <Matt|> perhaps gamin should be brought in by another package as well as ubuntu-desktop
[01:47] <GotD0t> Matt|, perhaps it should be brought in along with the upgrade
[01:47] <Matt|> that's what i mean
[01:47] <bob2> if you remove ubuntu-desktop, you need to do this stuff manually
[01:48] <GotD0t> Matt|, yea... because it was ridiculously slow... i couldn't burn a CD and talk to someone in gaim at the same time
[01:48] <Matt|> hmm... i think its naive to expect everyone to put up with all the packages in ubuntu-desktop. However EVERYONE needs gamin right?
[01:48] <bob2> no
[01:48] <Matt|> well all gnome users anyway
[01:48] <bob2> only people using ubuntu desktops ;-)
[01:48] <Matt|> grrr damn you and your deliberate obtuseness
[01:48] <bob2> there could be a good reason to install it, somehow
[01:49] <Matt|> :p
[01:49] <GotD0t> any of you know why I cannot run 3D games after my upgrade?
[01:49] <Matt|> *laughs*
[01:49] <Matt|> GotD0t, 3d graphics acceleration is not workin
[01:49] <Matt|> you need to get that working
[01:49] <GotD0t> well it crashes X
[01:50] <Matt|> GotD0t, probably you should remove fglrx-control and fglrx-driver like it said ;)
[01:50] <GotD0t> Matt|, really?
[01:50] <GotD0t> Matt|, ok
[01:50] <Matt|> GotD0t, wait for confirmation from someone else
[01:50] <GotD0t> Matt|, oops...
[01:51] <Matt|> GotD0t, what is your graphics card?
[01:51] <GotD0t> Matt|, 9700 Pro
[01:51] <Matt|> what make
[01:51] <GotD0t> ATI
[01:51] <Matt|> i think that xorg has its own drivers and so you won't need those non-free ones, but i'm not 100%
[01:52] <GotD0t> well i hope so
[01:52] <GotD0t> i installed xserver-xorg... do i need to restart X?
[01:52] <Matt|> you haven't done that yet?
[01:52] <Matt|> reboot the whole thing after a major upgrade is probably not a bad idfea
[01:53] <Matt|> cross your fingers tho
[01:53] <GotD0t> Matt|, well would you consider xserver-xorg to be a major upgrade?
[01:53] <Matt|> GotD0t, you've just upgraded to hoary?
[01:53] <GotD0t> Matt|, not today...
[01:53] <GotD0t> Matt|, i had already rebooted after upgrading
[01:53] <Matt|> well xorg comes with hoary
[01:54] <GotD0t> well xorg-common was installed with it
[01:54] <GotD0t> but not xserver-xorg
[01:54] <Matt|> ok restart x
[01:54] <GotD0t> k
[02:37] <daniels> elmo: please install l-k-h b-ds in concordia chroot, comment on proposed 2728 fix, and install package in davis:~daniels/l-k-h to chroot if sensible.
[03:41] <GotD0t> anybody have dual-head configured for hoary?
[05:19] <tseng> holy crap, new monthly pr0n update
[05:20] <tseng> s/crap/craaack
[07:27] <calc> anyone happen to know about the ide chipset driver loading late issue on ubuntu warty?
[08:39] <fabbione> morning guys
[08:40] <calc> fabbione: hi
[11:47] <Matt|> mjg59, around by any chance?
[12:36] <jdub> thom: around?
[12:42] <Kamion> any reason we don't have "install gamin" in HoaryUpgradeNotes? we just say to remove fam and portmap
[12:53] <Keybuk> Kamion: dep of ubuntu-desktop
[12:59] <Kamion> Keybuk: see #ubuntu, HoaryUpgradeNotes should document things for people who don't have ubuntu-desktop installed too
[01:00] <Keybuk> ah
[01:11] <daniels> gnar
[01:11] <daniels> mdz: it appears that Synaptics touchpads happily respond to ALPS queries
[01:11] <daniels> mdz: as well as normal Logitech mice
[01:11] <daniels> mdz: i'm very much inclined to just ditch synaptics-alps-support.dpatch
[01:15] <sivang> Kamion : is a daily iso of hoary suitable for laptop install? :) what's state is it in?
[01:15] <Kamion> sivang: you can try, but I haven't tested since the last big round of changes
[01:15] <Kamion> still in flux
[01:15] <Kamion> feel free to use it if you don't mind if it breaks :)
[01:16] <sivang> Kamion : ok, well, then I'll install warty and upgrade, this path I already taken and familiar with :)
[01:47] <mvo_> amu: the kde-3.3.1-2 FTBFS seems to be fixable with a additonal b-d on "libxinerama-dev"
[01:47] <daniels> mvo_: don't forget libxau-dev and libxdmcp-dev also, iirc
[01:48] <daniels> i sent a mail about it, but used the wrong From, blah
[01:48] <mvo_> daniels: so it awaits moderation now?
[01:48] <daniels> yah
[01:49] <mvo_> who is doing the moderation? mako?
[01:49] <daniels> jdub, iirc
[01:49] <daniels> i'll just send another one with the right from
[01:51] <amu> mvo_: nope, you've to apply many selfwritten patches
[01:51] <daniels> amu: ... what?
[01:52] <daniels> you need to revert the debian-pic-shlibs patch or whatever it is
[01:52] <daniels> but that and proper build-deps should do it
[01:52] <amu> daniels: name of some of your xlib changed :)
[01:52] <daniels> yes, so just delete debian/patches/debian-pic-shlibs.patch, or whatever it is
[01:53] <amu> daniels: not such easy
[01:53] <daniels> how not?
[01:55] <Matt|> guys I can't boot either the new <IP_ADDRESS> kernel in hoary, nor the 2.6.9 test kernel. I get a kernel panic straight away, with vfs error, unable to mount root on unknown block (0,0) or something similar. can someone help me with my grub?
[01:56] <bob2> configure grub to use an initrd
[01:57] <Matt|> bob2, problem is that i don't understand the grub config for this 2.6.9 kernel
[01:57] <bob2> it will be the same as for the <IP_ADDRESS> one
[01:57] <bob2> but with a different number at the end
[01:58] <Matt|> bob2, the 2.6.9 line is commented out and it says in the wiki to leave it commented out
[01:58] <Matt|> its really weird
[01:58] <Matt|> can i PM you the menu.lst?
[01:58] <bob2> #flood
[01:58] <bob2> and this is a #ubuntu thing
[02:06] <amu> daniels: i still got some errors ex. on kdm, the fast solution for me was, not to use kdm. Sure if you invest some work in it, you can fix them, but i've total no time for it now.
[02:06] <daniels> amu: kdm needs libxau-dev and libxdmcp-dev
[02:07] <amu> daniels: and probably it was cause haggai said, he'll fix it.
[02:07] <amu> daniels: yeah you told me this before ;)
[02:09] <amu> daniels: sure it's a easy part, which someone must invest, but why i should fix it, i'm overloaded with work, it works for me, and haggai takes care about it, why i should invest my limited time for it? I just said in my mail, it isnt such easy you can solve the problem in 5min, cause of xorg
[02:10] <Keybuk> rofl
[02:10] <Keybuk> Been using Sun's Java Desktop System as my day to day machine. It's surprisingly decent. Basically GNOME with alot of purple
[02:10] <haggai> amu: btw I'm sitting in the same room as daniels at the moment :)
[02:11] <amu> daniels: give haggai a clout from me :)
[02:12] <Matt|> *laughs*
[02:12] <daniels> amu: dude, OOo takes longer to build than X
[02:12] <daniels> amu: there's no way I'm punishing the poor bastard further
[02:13] <amu> daniels: *g*
[02:13] <amu> daniels: nope i packages kde before, and if i cant solve it in 5min. you cannot do it also :) so if i say you need some time, you need it
[02:14] <daniels> i know a little about packaging kde ...
[02:14] <amu> yeah i know ;)
[02:14] <amu> we bat a pizza ?
[02:14] <amu> s/bat/bet
[02:15] <amu> aehm let say a nice dinner in spain
[02:17] <amu> daniels: ok? that a deal?
[02:17] <amu> haggai: he started?
[02:22] <haggai> amu: I'm making a chroot...
[03:18] <ogra> guys....i am playing with a simplified services tool but i am nit sure what should be in the list of manageable services.... any suggestions ? : http://www.grawert.net/services.png
[03:19] <sivang> ogra : looks nice, you're working on it?
[03:20] <ogra> yes, currently....it has no backend...
[03:20] <ogra> i am not sure if ssh should be in there
[03:21] <sivang> ogra : oh well, the backend part could be relatively easy to implement, couple of calls to /etc/init.d/<service> {stop|restart|start} ?
[03:21] <sivang> ogra : have you seend what gst offers in that regard?
[03:21] <ogra> yes, i thought about invoke-rc.d
[03:21] <ogra> sivang: way too heavy in my opinion....
[03:22] <sivang> ogra : Ah, I see what you mean :)
[03:24] <ogra> you know my bootoptions tool....i could put in a real load of grub options, but i only want to squash the common tasks....no real admin tools, just simplification as much as possible.....
[03:26] <sivang> ogra : I see, seems nice and would probably help the clueless users to start services :) however I do see a place for gst in a larger setups, or in the less home more corporate deployments.
[03:29] <ogra> sivang: i see this part of g-s-t as a real admin tool....nothing i would give a normal user, but fine for "real" admin tasks
[04:06] <thom> jdub: que?
[04:40] <Matt|> is bug 3138 likely to be assigned at all does anyone know?
[04:44] <nobse> hi
[04:45] <nobse> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[04:45] <nobse>   perlmagick: Depends: libmagick6 (= 5:<IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu1) but 5:<IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu1.1 is to be installed
[04:45] <nobse> E: Broken packages
[04:45] <nobse> are you aware of that?
[04:46] <tseng> nobse: search bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org
[04:46] <tseng> if you dont see it, file it
[04:47] <nobse> Can I use reportbug?
[04:47] <tseng> sure.
[04:48] <nobse> ok
[04:49] <tseng> does that still go to BTS?
[04:49] <tseng> or bugzilla now
[04:50] <nobse> ubuntu-users
[04:50] <bob2> erm, are yo usure reportbug does anything useful on ubuntu?
[04:50] <nobse> bob2: no, that's why I asked
[04:50] <tseng> there is some branding, but i dont see anything that is similar to s/debian bts/bugzilla
[04:50] <nobse> but the mail was sent to ubuntu-users
[04:54] <nobse> btw, a fixed package is available in universe, but doesn't appear in Packages.gz
[05:08] <RubenV> hmmm
[05:08] <RubenV> does gstreamer need the gstreamer-ffmpeg package to be able to play any divx/xvid movie?
[05:09] <RubenV> lately i'm finding more movies that don't work that those who do with gstreamer
[05:10] <GotD0t> how do i reinstall grub? another operating system wrote over it and now its all fugly
[05:10] <Mithrandir> GotD0t: grub-install /dev/hda should work
[05:11] <GotD0t> Mithrandir, thanks
[05:21] <GotD0t> so anybody know how to get my ATI 9700 pro 3D accelerated in hoary?
[05:22] <thom> GotD0t: wrong channel
[05:22] <GotD0t> thom, sorry... misread the tab
[05:25] <daniels> elmo: please install l-k-h on davis if the packaging seems sane
[06:37] <Matt|> is bug 3138 likely to be assigned at all does anyone know?


[04:04] <lotusleaf> Madpilot: hi :) did you finish that xubuntu poster by any chance? :)
[04:05] <Madpilot> lotusleaf, nyet, did not. I'm in the middle of a Dapper->Edgy dist-upgrade right now too, so it ain't happening tonight.
[04:05] <lotusleaf> Madpilot: k, thx :) wow, still on Dapper?
[04:05] <Madpilot> yeah, I'm Jurrasic.
[04:06] <lotusleaf> :P
[04:06] <Madpilot> heck, the ubuntu.ca server is still running Breezy...
[04:06] <lotusleaf> wow
[04:06] <lotusleaf> oh, wait, you're not there ^^
[04:08] <Madpilot> no, I don't hang out in -forums. Some folks I don't get along with do, so I don't.
[04:08] <lotusleaf> ah
[04:08] <lotusleaf> that's what /ignore is for :)
[04:08] <lotusleaf> hmm.. an obey feisty poster :P
[04:08] <lotusleaf> obey the fawn! :P
[04:09] <lotusleaf> do you have a business for your art aside from your roughcut designs?
[04:09] <Admiral_Chicago>  oh goodness..
[04:09] <Madpilot> lotusleaf, not really. I'm going to set up a 'company' website sometime this year, as Wire Lizard Designs, though. Eventually.
[04:10] <lotusleaf> cool
[04:10] <lotusleaf> good luck w/ that and e-mail me when you get it done so I can link you ;)
[04:10] <Madpilot> need to find good hosting. On a Canadian server, so I'm only dealing with one set of stupid laws.
[04:16] <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: What do you do that brushes the law?
[04:16] <Madpilot> tonyyarusso, nothing, and I want to keep it that way.   Hosting in some parts of Europe could be okay too though.
[04:18] <Madpilot> probably, yeah.
[04:19] <beuno> tonyyarusso: hey, you know anything about the UWN?
[04:19] <tonyyarusso> beuno: ya, why?  (I've worked on it before)
[04:20] <beuno> tonyyarusso: UWN 30 has been stalled for weeks (a month?)
[04:21] <lotusleaf> ya, everytime I ask about UWN a tumbleweed blows by
[04:21] <tonyyarusso> beuno: Oh really?
[04:21] <tonyyarusso> Looks like Cody has been a bit scarce on IRC.  Perhaps he's no longer willing to head it up?  (And we all know how much free time Corey has)
[04:22] <beuno> tonyyarusso: yeap, AFAIK, it's still on gabby!
[04:22] <beuno> | Corey is doing UWN again, as Cody is on leave. Edit party at 03:00 UTC Friday morning |
[04:22] <beuno>  Topic for #ubuntu-marketing set by Burgwork at Tue Feb 13 15:16:19 2007
[04:22] <beuno> :D
[04:22] <tonyyarusso> Doh.
[04:23] <tonyyarusso> Cool.
[04:23] <beuno> I'm not sure how to get it moving
[04:23] <beuno> jenda is gone, sommerville32 is on leave, and Corey is scarce
[04:23] <tonyyarusso> beuno: write a script that greets everyone who joins with FRIDAY FRIDAY FRIDAY, and start trolling the *-offtopics for help.
[04:24] <beuno> lol
[04:24] <beuno> that was friday 16 feb he meant
[04:24] <tonyyarusso> Seriously on the offtopic part.
[04:24] <beuno> :D
[04:24] <lotusleaf> I'd like to see a monthly cycle where a different person heads the UWN so there's some kind of rotation schema
[04:25] <tonyyarusso> that might be good
[04:25] <lotusleaf> that can remove the stress that can set in
[04:26] <beuno> lotusleaf: sounds like a great idea
[04:26] <beuno> you should send the proposal to the mailing list
[04:26] <lotusleaf> good idea
[04:28] <Madpilot> lotusleaf, so did I just here you volunteer to do UWN for March? :)
[04:28] <tonyyarusso> yep
[04:28] <tonyyarusso> That's what I heard
[04:28] <lotusleaf> Madpilot: that sounds good, but I'd have to shadow someone for a while before I could feel confident to take such a role :)
[04:29] <Madpilot> harass Corey
[04:29] <lotusleaf> but I already harass you enough as it is :)
[04:29] <lotusleaf> obey xubuntu!
[04:29] <lotusleaf> :P
[04:31] <Madpilot> so spread your efforts ;)
[04:31] <lotusleaf> lol
[04:31] <lotusleaf> I've never used Gobby either
[04:31] <lotusleaf> did whiprush ever return to marketing?
[04:38] <beuno> I can help out with UWN, I have been for the las 5 or 6  :D
[04:38] <beuno> maybe I should move the UWN from gobby to the wiki?
[04:39] <tonyyarusso> yeah
[11:09] <tuppa> hi
[11:09] <tuppa> would this be the place to discuss about the Ubuntu Business Council?
[12:47] <elkbuntu> tuppa, Ubuntu Business Council?
[05:08] <dneary> jono: Hi there
[05:08] <jono> hey dave
[05:09] <jono> thanks for the very supportive blog post :)
[05:09] <dneary> jono: It's not fair - you have a boss that can pony up 100 :)
[05:09] <jono> heh
[05:09] <dneary> At least he knocked Travis off the top ;)
[05:09] <dneary> Over half way already! You're going to break 1000 tomorrow, I bet
[05:10] <dneary> You'll have to revise your target and keep a progress-meter somewhere
[05:10] <tonyyarusso> what on earth are you talking about?
[05:11] <dneary> jono: Let him in on the secret
[05:11] <dneary> tonyyarusso: He's shaving the beard again
[05:11] <tonyyarusso> dneary: aaah
[05:11] <tonyyarusso> So no more  :)> fun?
[05:14] <jono> tonyyarusso: http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=907
[05:17] <dneary> tonyyarusso: I lied
[05:17] <dneary> I would not give 20 to see Jono shave his beard
[05:18] <tonyyarusso> so I see :P
[05:23] <jono> :)
[11:10] <elkbuntu> http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/02/20/197251 bwahahahahahahahhaah!
[11:12] <tuppa> elkbuntu ftw? ;)
[11:12] <elkbuntu> did you see who wrote it? :
[11:12] <tonyyarusso> Still loading here - hold on
[11:14] <tonyyarusso> Published and famous now eh?  What ARE we going to do with you?
[11:14] <Admiral_Chicago> nice work elkbuntu
[11:15] <elkbuntu> :D
[11:15] <Admiral_Chicago> tonyyarusso: she's going to be too famous to talk to us
[11:15] <tuppa> elkbuntu: yes I do :)
[11:15] <elkbuntu> Admiral_Chicago, and you are /who/?
[11:15] <Admiral_Chicago> :(
[11:15] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: Say, do you know if it's possible for a teacher to have an array of miniature VNC windows to half-monitor the desktop in the room, and if one looks fishy, click that thumbnail and it enlarges to full-size?
[11:16] <tonyyarusso> Admiral_Chicago: :(
[11:16] <Admiral_Chicago> yay.
[11:16] <elkbuntu> tonyyarusso, im not aware of something for linux along those lines
[11:16] <elkbuntu> tonyyarusso, ask the edubuntu fellows, they might
[11:16] <tonyyarusso> 'k
[11:18] <Admiral_Chicago> i've seen tools like that for Windows, it was a good tool
[11:18] <tonyyarusso> I just got an e-mail address from my dad of a retired guy who refurbishes old computers and gives them to poor people.  Apparently he's had trouble finding enough legal Windows licenses.  ;)
[11:19] <elkbuntu> funny that
[11:19] <elkbuntu> tonyyarusso, your comment just became the title of the blog post http://www.geekosophical.net/?p=73
[11:20] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: O RLY?  Cool.
[11:21] <poningru> wait a sec
[11:21] <poningru> does nixternal work for linux.com?
[11:21] <elkbuntu> poningru, i wouldnt have a clue
[11:22] <poningru> you thanked rich
[11:22] <poningru> in your blog
[11:22] <poningru> I assumed...
[11:23] <elkbuntu> poningru, richard weideman
[11:23] <poningru> ah gotcha
[11:24] <elkbuntu> poningru, read the article dammit and you'd see why
[11:24] <elkbuntu> :D
[11:24] <elkbuntu> anyway, im now late so i better go get dressed and such
[11:25] <poningru> awesome where you headed?
[11:26] <elkbuntu> something called 'work for the dole' :(
[11:28] <poningru> lol
[11:29] <poningru> dole?
[11:29] <elkbuntu> welfare :(
[11:29] <elkbuntu> i.. am on.. welfare :(
[11:30] <tuppa> elkbuntu: you can talk Canonical in hiring you :)
[11:32] <poningru> oh :(
[11:32] <poningru> elkbuntu: bah atleast you have a good social safety network
[11:33] <poningru> hopefully scholarship will come in the next month or I dont know where my next months rent is coming from
[11:40] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: on your blog post, the URL to the story isn't a hyperlink