[12:31] <Fujitsu> Can somebody please approve the two Outstanding syncs on http://people.ubuntu.com.au/~fujitsu/syncs/?
[12:40] <Toadstool> Fujitsu: confirmed openntpd
[12:41] <Fujitsu> Thanks.
[12:47] <Toadstool> Fujitsu: and gnumail looks fine too, confirmed
[12:47] <Fujitsu> Thanks!
[12:47] <Toadstool> np :)
[01:01] <crimsun> In case there are lurkers in here, the merging session in #ubuntu-motu-school will begin very shortly.
[01:02] <Toadstool> ouch totally forgot about it
[01:06] <carthik_home> crimsun is starting the tutorial on merging/syncing at #ubuntu-motu-school if any hopefuls are interested.
[01:27] <bddebian> Heya gang
[01:28] <carthik_home> hi bddebian
[01:28] <Fujitsu> Hi bddebian.
[01:28] <slomo_> hi bddebian :)
[01:28] <bddebian> Hello carthik_home, Fujitsu, slomo_ :-)
[01:31] <bddebian> slomo_: I need the list of multimedia packages I can touch again?
[01:31] <slomo_> avidemux
[01:31] <bddebian> OK
[01:31] <slomo_> gtranscode
[01:32] <slomo_> transcode if you want to fight with broken configure :)
[01:32] <bddebian> Heh
[01:32] <slomo_> lame
[01:32] <slomo_> qdvdauthor
[01:32] <bddebian> I know I'm lame, sorry :'-(
[01:33] <slomo_> i meant the package 'lame' :P
[01:33] <Toadstool> hi bddebian
[01:33] <bddebian> Heya Toadstool
[01:33] <bddebian> slomo_: Oh :-)
[01:33] <slomo_> you're not lame... look at my galago-sharp uploads and you know what lame is :P
[01:33] <bddebian> Bah
[01:34] <Toadstool> heh
[01:40] <Toadstool> grah, I wrote "point of vue" instead of "point of view"... :p
[01:40] <Toadstool> time to go to bed
[01:40] <Toadstool> cya
[01:42] <bddebian> Gnight ToadZzZztool
[01:47] <bddebian> shawarma: Alive?
[01:51] <slomo_> gn8 everybody
[01:58] <bddebian> Later slomo_
[02:30] <kmilo> bye
[02:57] <bmonty> ajmitch: ping
[02:58] <ajmitch> pong
[02:58] <ajmitch> sortof
[02:58] <bmonty> ajmitch: I found a decent solution for the group issue I was telling you about if you are interested
[02:58] <ajmitch> definitely
[02:59] <bmonty> I put the groups in to LDAP (admin, video, audio, cdrom, plugdev, etc)
[02:59] <bmonty> that works fine
[02:59] <bmonty> the only issue is that the network isn't up when udev assigns permissions to the devices it creates
[03:00] <bmonty> I had to edit the permissions config so that the groups are specified by number instead of name
[03:00] <bmonty> once you do that things work as expected
[03:01] <bmonty> I basically recreated the same groups that are in the default group file that ships with ubuntu
[03:01] <bmonty> so if it was group X in /etc/group it is the same gid in ldap
[03:03] <bddebian> Anyone else having problems with ftp.debian.org?
[03:03] <zul> nope...maybe it got compromised
[03:08] <bmonty> anyone running exim had problems with /dev/random running out of bytes?
[03:14] <zul> grrr....must smack someone
[03:18] <ryanakca> FunnyLookinHat: ping
[03:28] <zul> hmmm....i ran out of disk space
[03:33] <ryanakca> zul: fun
[03:33] <ryanakca> to who do I send dapper 3.5.4 errors?
[03:33] <zul> 3.5.4 what?
[03:37] <ryanakca> kde
[03:37] <zul> you might want to talk to people in #kubuntu-devel otherwise open a bug in launchapd
[03:40] <ryanakca> kk, ty
[03:43] <bddebian> Anyone see any reason for having a seperate source package for attal themes?
[03:43] <bddebian> If not, what would I do about adding a second binary to the attal package and removing the attal-themes-source source package?
[03:58] <lfittl> bddebian: they are distributed seperately by upstream, why do you want to have one source package?
[03:58] <bddebian> lfittl: Not anymore afaict.  Though, they are seperate branches in CVS, the build system expects themes.pro to be there now
[03:59] <lfittl> on which version are you working?
[03:59] <bddebian>  0.10.1
[04:00] <lfittl> and which launchpad bug was that again? (sry for asking all that, but as I prepared the first updated packages, I am just interested in it ;))
[04:01] <bddebian> lfittl: Oh, cool, hang on
[04:01] <bddebian> lfittl: Bug #2596
[04:01] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 2596 in attal "Attal in Ubuntu is almost not playable, 4 new attal versions (0.9.3, 0.9.4, 0.10, 0.10.1) released, please update" [Unknown,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/2596
[04:01] <bddebian> Old one :-)
[04:02] <lfittl> I know, originally I wanted to update them for dapper, but I didn't found time before UVF to get them uploaded
[04:03] <lfittl> I still have them here (the link in the bug report is not working anymore..), and they built successfully for me (although that was 0.10)
[04:03] <bddebian> Well I had 0.10 building for Dapper but wouldn't build in Edgy so I have been playing with the latest CVS stuff
[04:03] <lfittl> ah, I see
[04:04] <lfittl> didn't check again for edgy
[04:04] <bddebian> Actually I think I used your packaging originally :-)
[04:04] <lfittl> :)
[04:04] <bddebian> So, please have at it .. ;-)
[04:04] <lfittl> do you know if the debian maintainer is still working on it?
[04:05] <lfittl> I have no problems with you updating these packages, I just wonder if it is good to diverge from debian with the source packages
[04:06] <bddebian> I e-mailed him a month or more ago showing him your work plus a couple of little tweaks I made for 0.10 and have never heard anything back.
[04:06] <bddebian> Yeah, I hate diverging too but this thing is waay old and still fairly actively maintained upstream
[04:07] <bddebian> lfittl: Do you do a lot of game packages?
[04:08] <lfittl> bddebian: some, I am actually interested in game development, and as soon as i am a MOTU I plan to help the MOTU Games team out ;)
[04:08] <bddebian> Ah cool.  You don't happen to know what happened to persia/Emmet do you?
[04:09] <lfittl> bddebian: the only game package I maintain atm. is anagramarama
[04:09] <lfittl> no idea, sry
[04:09] <bddebian> NP
[04:10] <lfittl> bddebian: do you have any interest in taking the package over in debian? (might be the best solution)
[04:13] <bddebian> Hmm, not much but I could probably get a sponsered upload
[04:15] <lfittl> as I am trying to get involved into debian at the moment, I would be interested in adopting it
[04:17] <lfittl> bddebian: would it be a problem for you if I would take your package (not now, maybe sometime next week, so you could upload it to ubuntu before that), mention your work in the changelog and continue maintaining it in debian?
[04:18] <bddebian> lfittl: Well I don't exactly have one yet because of the new build system :-(
[04:18] <bddebian> slomo_: You awake?
[04:19] <bddebian> Frick I hate weekends
[04:19] <bddebian> shawarma: How about you?
[04:20] <lfittl> bddebian: hmm, what problems are there, except from the Makefile requiring the themes?
[04:20] <bddebian> Well that's where I stopped.
[04:21] <lfittl> and upstream has the makefile that needs the themes in the binary branch, and the themes in another cvs branch?
[04:21] <bddebian> Aye, afaict
[04:21] <bddebian> But I'm kind of dense :-)
[04:22] <lfittl> strange, did they mention that in the changelog?
[04:24] <zul> ls
[04:26] <lfittl> bddebian: as its 4:24 in the morning here, i need to get some sleep, i would suggest that we talk about this sometime next week, I will ping you then, and we will see, k? :)
[04:26] <bddebian> lfittl: Sort of.  There really is no changelog
[04:26] <bddebian> lfittl: No problem, thanks
[04:26] <lfittl> gn8 everybody :)
[04:26] <bddebian> Gnight
[04:37] <ryanakca> how do you get a list of currently installed packages?
[04:38] <Amaranth> dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${python:Depends}
[04:38] <Amaranth> grr
[04:38] <Amaranth> do i need to build dep on python-all to get that? i thought python-all-dev would be ok
[04:40] <Amaranth> oh crap dh_python isn't getting called
[04:40] <Amaranth> wtf
[04:47] <crimsun> ryanakca: dpkg -l
[04:47] <Amaranth> oh i have debhelper after distutils
[04:48] <ryanakca> crimsun: just the packages... so that if edgy install messes up, I can revert to current system by going "sudo aptitude install `cat installedpackageslist`"
[04:48] <crimsun> there are a few ways
[04:49] <crimsun> you can use dpkg -l |grep ^ii |awk '{ print $2 }'
[04:51] <Amaranth> grr
[04:51] <Amaranth> now it only calls dh_python for willowng-config
[04:52] <Amaranth> anyone have an example of a python app using cdbs that is split into two packages?
[04:53] <crimsun> src:quodlibet
[04:53] <ryanakca> crimsun: ty, I'm off to bed :)
[04:53] <crimsun> ryanakca: cya
[04:54] <crimsun> Amaranth: note that you have to call dh_python(1) per-binary
[04:55] <crimsun> quodlibet's debian/rules, for instance, does this in binary-install/foo:: overrides
[04:55] <Amaranth> oh quodlibet handles the python policy stuff on it's own
[04:55] <Amaranth> yeah
[05:04] <bddebian> Ack, I wish I knew C++ better
[05:12] <Amaranth> start-stop-daemon: user `willowng' not found
[05:12] <Amaranth> HULK SMASH
[05:12] <bddebian> hehe
[05:17] <Amaranth> oh bleh, missing a file in my debian/ dir
[05:22] <Amaranth> W: willowng: maintainer-script-needs-depends-on-adduser postinst <--whoops
[05:26] <Amaranth> damnit
[05:26] <Amaranth> i give up, will unfuck this POS tomorrow
[05:26] <ajmitch> hey Amaranth
[05:27] <Amaranth> hi
[05:27] <ajmitch> get any fedex notification yet?
[05:27] <Amaranth> no?
[05:27] <ajmitch> I got one, so yours can't be far off
[05:27] <Amaranth> :/
[05:27] <ajmitch> or they may not send an email & the cheque just shows up
[05:28] <ajmitch> which has often been the case, apparantly
[05:28] <Amaranth> yeah
[05:28] <zul> heh get a real job :)
[05:28] <ajmitch> :P
[05:28] <Amaranth> well hey maybe i'll have a check when i get home
[05:28] <Amaranth> haven't been there in a week
[05:29] <ajmitch> heh
[05:30] <ajmitch> apart from the broken packaging, how's your project going? :)
[05:31] <Amaranth> not bad
[05:31] <Amaranth> waiting on ogra to give me the magic code to make the proxy mandatory (which i think is waiting on having a working package)
[05:32] <Amaranth> after that all i really need to have a usable setup for a desktop or ltsp system (i think) is support for changing the error pages
[05:32] <ajmitch> great
[05:32] <Amaranth> yeah
[05:32] <Amaranth> then i just need a web frontend...
[05:34] <ajmitch> how's that going with pam & sudo?
[05:36] <Amaranth> haven't started
[05:37] <ajmitch> ok
[05:37] <ajmitch> bmonty reminded me that I need to fix up the ldap migration scripts
[06:29] <bddebian> Holy crap, axiom does actually build...
[06:41] <bddebian> Gnight folks
[06:41] <tritium> Good night, bddebian
[06:41] <bddebian> Gnight tritium
[07:14] <Hobbsee> hi all
[07:15] <imbrandon_> heya Hobbsee
[08:54] <ajmitch> bad yagisan
[08:55] <ajmitch> turn off your away scripts now
[09:06] <Mithrandir> hi Hobbsee, ajmitch
[09:06] <Hobbsee> hi Mithrandir
[09:06] <Mithrandir> huh?  I've broken dhcp?
[09:07] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: someone did, and you're a good target.  :P
[09:07] <Mithrandir> haha, but I've only uploaded casper lately.  So unless it's on the live cd, I'm innocent. :-)
[09:07] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: are you ever innocent?  :P
[09:07] <Mithrandir> what do I look like?
[09:08] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: very scary.
[09:08] <Mithrandir> haha
[09:08] <StevenK> Mithrandir: You are incapable of looking innocent.
[09:09] <Mithrandir> StevenK: that's not too important as long as I'm able to _be_ innocent
[09:10] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: ah yes, but are you incapable of that too?
[09:10] <StevenK> Depends who you ask, I suspect.
[09:10] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: of course! :-)
[09:10] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: hmmm...well....
[09:11] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: i'd have to ask simira or someone that, seeing as i dont really know you well enough to make such a call.
[09:13] <Mithrandir> yeah, I guess
[09:13] <Mithrandir> and I should probably jump offline since I'm on dialup. :-/
[09:13] <ajmitch> hi Mithrandir
[09:15] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: :(  why dialup?
[09:16] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: am at Karianne's place in Molde.  Her parents were supposed to have DSL a few weeks ago, but there was a strike and then there's a backlog
[09:16] <ajmitch> unfortunate
[09:16] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: ahhh...oh dear.  you two are married yet, or is that soon?
[09:21] <Mithrandir> ceremony starts in 172 hours. :-)
[09:21] <Mithrandir> (as in, next Saturday at 1030 UTC)
[09:21] <ajmitch> soon enough :)
[09:21] <ajmitch> since we can't be there, congratulatoins in advance
[09:22] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: nice :)
[09:22] <Mithrandir> I'm going to post lots'a photos all over the intarweb, at leasst.
[09:22] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: yay :)
[09:22] <Mithrandir> s/leasst/least/
[09:23] <jsgotangco> Mithrandir: congrats!
[09:23] <Mithrandir> jsgotangco: thanks :-)
[09:24] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: looks like a very nice place to get married :()
[09:24] <Hobbsee> s/(//
[09:25] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: yeah, it's beautiful up here.
[09:25] <Mithrandir> just hoping for nice weather.. it's not the most stable weather here, usually.
[09:25] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: think we can have a dev conference up there sometim?  that'd be cool.
[09:26] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: ahh...
[09:26] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: I wouldn't complain. :-)
[09:26] <TheMuso> Mithrandir: Congratulations
[09:27] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: hehe.  poke the appropriate people? :P
[09:28] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: getting here is a bit of work and .no isn't the cheapest of places so people are going to complain.  It'd be fun, though.
[09:28] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: ah okay...
[09:36] <imbrandon_> Mithrandir congrats man ;)
[09:38] <Mithrandir> thanks, thanks.  Now I'll go offline, for real.
[09:38] <Mithrandir> see you guys around.
[09:39] <imbrandon_> c ya
[09:39] <Hobbsee> bye Mithrandir
[09:40] <ajmitch> bye Mithrandir
[10:30] <Hobbsee> StevenK: i think you did screw my wrist up.  thanks.
[10:30] <TheMuso> heh
[10:30] <TheMuso> What did you two get up to?
[10:30] <TheMuso> :)
[10:30] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: he was tickling me!
[10:30] <TheMuso> Well maybe you had it coming. :)
[10:30] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: and trying to stop me tickling him back.
[10:30] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: which was fine till he grabbed my wrist :(
[10:30] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: heh
[10:32] <Hobbsee> hi Yagisan-aWay
[10:32] <Hobbsee> Yagisan-aWay: want to kill that away message, before it drives us nuts?
[10:32] <Yagisan-aWay> Hobbsee, soory. just broke my system
[10:32] <Hobbsee> heh
[10:32] <TheMuso> Obviously :p
[10:34] <Yagisan> sorry Hobbsee, was testing the new irc client before being called off for a kid emergency
[10:34] <Yagisan> it was spamming the channel ?
[10:36] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: no problem.   not that bad.
[10:36] <Yagisan> crap. sorry about that
[10:37] <ajmitch> Yagisan: yes, all of them :)
[10:37] <Yagisan> oh god
[10:37] <ajmitch> in colour, too
[10:37] <Yagisan> I should have used gaim
[10:38] <ajmitch> you must be desperate
[10:42] <Yagisan> :( I don't know why it did that. xchat doesn't have announce away messages set
[11:01] <Enverex> If I want to request packages, is there any easy place to do it?
[11:04] <Yagisan> ok. all xchat plugins removed until I find the troublemaker.
[11:05] <Yagisan> Hobbsee, feel free to kick me if the client spams the channel agin. It won't hurt my feelings - but will make other clents seem very attractive
[11:07] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: hehe, seems okay
[11:07] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: it's probably called autorejoin or something
[11:07] <Hobbsee> Enverex: there
[11:07] <Hobbsee> Enverex: there's a link - motu universe candidates or something on the wiki?  search for that, and it should come up
[11:07] <Enverex> Yeah, I'm editing that page now. I wasn't sure if it was the right one or not
[11:08] <Enverex> I have to be honest though, it's a horrible thing to use. A section on Launchpad would be much easier and neater too
[11:08] <ajmitch> sure, that's been discussed
[11:08] <Enverex> I even thought I remember seeing requests on Launchpad..
[11:08] <Enverex> Although they may have been mixed in with bug reports
[11:09] <Enverex> ergo they'll just get lost
[11:09] <ajmitch> you probably have, as bug reports
[11:12] <Enverex> hmm, ajmitch , you said it's been discussed? Is it feasable? Because at the moment people can't comment on anything, ask questions, flag it easily and it's almost a nightmare trying to add or edit anything on such a big wiki page...
[11:12] <Enverex> Hell, I'll even transfer everything off that page to the LP section if I have to
[11:13] <ajmitch> currently the only ways it can be done on launchpad is via support requests or bug reports
[11:13] <ajmitch> neither of which really suit it
[11:14] <Enverex> Ah, so Launchpad doesn't have the ability to have more sections added... damn
[11:14] <Enverex> So you recommend the wiki page for now ajmitch ?
[11:15] <ajmitch> sadly, yes
[11:16] <Enverex> *nods* ok, I'll keep editing that
[11:17] <Enverex> Copying the box out into Bluefish and editing it in there makes it more bearable, as you can't even seach inside the textbox in a webbrowser, heh
[11:37] <Enverex> Grrr, I can't decide between Ubuntu or Gentoo. Gentoo has the options on what to compile a program with where as with binary packages you get what you've given but you also don't have to compile anything... but on the other hand Gentoo's portage has more programs in it... but then most the people that use Gentoo on IRC seem to be ***holes who insist you fix every program yourself..
[11:39] <Gloubiboulga> Enverex, I'll decide for you: use Ubuntu
[11:39] <Gloubiboulga> ;)
[11:39] <slomo_> Enverex: what packages are missing in ubuntu? ;)
[11:39] <azeem> Enverex: how many programs are there in gentoo's portage?
[11:39] <Enverex> ~28500
[11:40] <azeem> impressive
[11:40] <slomo_> and which ones from these do you miss? ;)
[11:40] <Enverex> A few of the blah2iso things, E-UAE, UADE, some other emulators, Amarok won't play FLAC files (I assume it was compiled without support for them) and other programs I can't remember off the top of my head
[11:41] <Enverex> I guess I just miss all the options Gentoo gave me
[11:41] <BazziR> Enverex: you can enable flac support in amarok
[11:41] <BazziR> and you can compile the other things from syrce in ubuntu, too, what's holding you back? :)
[11:42] <BazziR> while you're at it, create debian packages for the missing things and upload them to MOTU ;)
[11:42] <slomo_> and you could package the ;)
[11:42] <Enverex> It makes me feel like my system is becomming dirty if I compile from source (not everything has a make uninstall so it makes me think I'll end up with hundreds and eventually thousands of orphaned files)
[11:42] <Enverex> BazziR, Tried that, drove me to the edge of insanity
[11:43] <BazziR> Enverex: well, vmware is great to play around with things from source
[11:43] <Enverex> erm, how's that?
[11:43] <BazziR> you can build a (simple!) *.deb there and install just the binary on your main system
[11:44] <BazziR> and just revert to a working state once something is fubared
[11:44] <Enverex> I don't follow, what does that have to do with VMWare?
[11:44] <BazziR> the snapshot mechanism is extremely convenient for such things imo
[11:44] <BazziR> I know there are all sorts of different solutions available
[11:45] <Enverex> When I try and play FLAC files in Amarok it just says "There is no audio channel!"
[11:46] <Enverex> BazziR, I still don't follow what you're suggesting
[11:46] <BazziR> hmmm
[11:46] <BazziR> I don't know how I can put it the right way
[11:46] <BazziR> but I use vmware for keeping the house clean
[11:46] <Enverex> I don't understand how that is possible or would work
[11:46] <slomo_> why don't you just use a chroot?
[11:47] <Enverex> To do what exactly?
[11:47] <BazziR> test new things in the vmware, share them between windows and linux, etc
[11:47] <Enverex> What does Windows have to do with anything?
[11:47] <Enverex> lol, this is becoming random tangent time
[11:47] <BazziR> I am one of those poor souls still using windows
[11:48] <Enverex> My only issue was that if I compile from source it's not easy to remove the thing again if I ever want to
[11:48] <Enverex> Doing that in a chroot or VM is just going to make it a massive hassle to ever actually use
[11:53] <slomo_> Enverex: you talked about blatoiso packages... what about packaging them? should be really easy and i'll review them for you ;)
[11:54] <Enverex> slomo_, Kinda lost the drive to package anything tbh, trying to package those things before really got to me so I'm not up for doing anymore
[11:55] <slomo_> *shrug*
[11:56] <Enverex> After spending 2 days trying to do stuff and achiving so little you kinda lose the drive to do it. I changed to Ubuntu because I was sick of spending hours or days trying to get something to emerge if it kept failing, doing this feels no different. All work and no play.
[12:04] <StevenK> Hrm. How do I diff two diff files?
[12:05] <azeem> interdiff
[12:05] <slomo_> StevenK: interdiff
[12:06] <StevenK> Ah, thanks.
[12:09] <Enverex> hmm, maybe I'll go halves. Gentoo on the desktop (Athlon64 X2 so compiling isn't too bad) and Ubuntu on the laptop...
[12:17] <StevenK> Ubugtu: bug 54423
[12:17] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 54423 in initramfs-tools "[edgy]  update-initramfs fails without a useful error message" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/54423
[12:19] <StevenK> It seems that mkinitramfs re-execs itself.
[12:20] <StevenK> No, I'm on crack.
[12:21] <StevenK> update-initramfs execs mkinitramfs which is failing with no output.
[12:44] <Lathiat> wow gaim2 has *really* improved
[12:44] <Lathiat> its lost the 3 startup windows of doom and the message sent/recv sound does send me flying through the roof clutching my ears everytime i hear it
[12:46] <StevenK> That's an improvement?
[12:48] <imbrandon> hrm who is iwj ?
[12:48] <StevenK> Ian Jackson
[12:49] <imbrandon> iwj on irc too ?
[12:49] <StevenK> iwj or Diziet
[12:49] <imbrandon> hrm ok, /me looks for him in -devel
[12:50] <imbrandon> must not be on atm *thinks*
[12:50] <imbrandon> StevenK: you running edgy atm ?
[12:52] <imbrandon> StevenK: would it not accomplish the same task to make u-d-s dep firefox-themes-ubuntu and not firefox its self ( so the {k,x}ubuntu guys dont get stuck with a orange human theme ?
[12:53] <StevenK> imbrandon: No, I don't run Edgy.
[12:54] <StevenK> imbrandon: Can you expand u-d-s?
[12:54] <imbrandon> or am i thinking about that wrong, seem iwj added firefox-themes-ubuntu to ff this last edgy update
[12:54] <imbrandon> ubuntu-default-settings
[12:54] <StevenK> Ah.
[12:54] <StevenK> I'm not sure, you'd need to ask iwj?
[12:54] <imbrandon> and it makes {k,u,edu}ubuntu have the human theme
[12:54] <imbrandon> when they install ff
[12:54] <imbrandon> heh ok thats what i was thinking
[12:55] <imbrandon> err k/x/edu but you get thte idea
[12:55] <StevenK> Surely {k,x,ed} ?
[12:55] <Toadstool> hi everybody
[12:55] <imbrandon> yea /me is tired heh
[12:55] <imbrandon> heya Toadstool
[12:55] <Toadstool> hey imbrandon
[01:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi Hobbsee and ogra
[01:23] <Hobbsee> hi Kamping_Kaiser, ogra
[01:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[01:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> o_0
[01:24] <Hobbsee> oh yay, X didnt break.
[01:25] <TheMuso> heh
[01:26] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> ping, oh godly ones? is it an ok thing for a package no not find the gpg key when downloading source?
[01:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> gpg: Signature made Thu 02 Mar 2006 17:20:16 CST using DSA key ID A7D91602
[01:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found
[01:50] <Hobbsee> Kamping_Kaiser: specify the key with -kyourkeyid
[01:50] <Hobbsee> Kamping_Kaiser: ohhh...yeah, that, yeah.
[01:50] <StevenK> Kamping_Kaiser: Depends. What does apt-key list say?
[01:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> StevenK, gpg: can't access `/etc/apt/trustdb.gpg': Permission denied
[01:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> probably it
[01:52] <TheMuso> run with sudo
[01:52] <StevenK> Yes, sudo is it.
[01:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> http://pastebin.ca/104994
[01:57] <slomo_> can someone confirm that gpg --search-keys "" crashes?
[01:57] <slomo_> and gpg --search-keys "o" works
[01:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> crash
[01:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> slomo_, http://pastebin.ca/104996
[01:59] <slomo_> ok
[02:03] <cbx33> hi all
[02:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[02:03] <slomo_> Kamping_Kaiser: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gnupg/+bug/54434  <--- please set to confirmed :)
[02:03] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 54434 in gnupg "crashes when searching for a key which contains a unicode character" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]
[02:04] <cbx33> opinions wanted on http://progbox.co.uk/attempt5.mp3
[02:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> slomo_, ok :)
[02:05] <danimo> StevenK: around?
[02:05] <danimo> hi btw :)
[02:05] <StevenK> Ish
[02:06] <danimo> StevenK: hi
[02:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> slomo_, confirmed
[02:06] <slomo_> Kamping_Kaiser: thanks
[02:06] <danimo> StevenK: Hobbsee said you would know wether the vpn modules for (k)networkmanager in edgy?
[02:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> np
[02:07] <StevenK> Ahh. That's a good point. I haven't thought about them yet.
[02:07] <danimo> StevenK: that would be brilliant, since they are not working properly in dapper
[02:08] <StevenK> They don't exist in dapper.
[02:08] <StevenK> Well, dapper proper anyway.
[02:08] <danimo> StevenK: yes, and those I got didn't work with the dapper packages
[02:10] <Hobbsee> StevenK: which ones? i doubt you could backport 0.6 of n-m to dapper.
[02:10] <StevenK> network-manager | 0.6.2-0ubuntu7 |        dapper | source, amd64, i386
[02:10] <StevenK> Hrrrm?
[02:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm, *clicks on 'help'* *slaps button* *opens LP*
[02:13] <Hobbsee> StevenK: ah okay, i thought dapper still had 0.5
[02:17] <danimo> Hobbsee: that would be shocking
[02:17] <Hobbsee> danimo: well....there are lots of bug reports on 0.6
[02:25] <danimo> Hobbsee: yes I know, but it's not too bad
[02:26] <danimo> Hobbsee: WPA works just fine
[02:26] <Hobbsee> StevenK: oh yeah, your card is likely a dlink - ie completely screwed with current ndiswrapper too.
[02:26] <Hobbsee> danimo: on edgy?
[02:26] <danimo> Hobbsee: dapper
[02:26] <danimo> Hobbsee: you just have to push the wpa passwort through wpa_passphrase along with the essid and use the resulting string
[02:26] <Hobbsee> danimo: that's why :P
[02:27] <danimo> Hobbsee: a bit clumsy I admint :)
[02:27] <Hobbsee> danimo: ahhh...so if you put the entire string in there...
[02:27] <Hobbsee> hmmm...
[02:27] <StevenK> Hobbsee: My card is labelled D-link, so theres no likely about it.
[02:28] <danimo> Hobbsee: yes, then it works. I don't know if that is fixed in more recent versions of knetworkmanager, but I remember complaining to the author of knetworkmanager at suse, and he said he would have a look after 10.1 is out.
[02:28] <Hobbsee> StevenK: latest 650 has a ralink driver.  grumble.
[02:28] <danimo> Hobbsee: (he was in release-stress)
[02:28] <Hobbsee> danimo: ah right....
[02:28] <Hobbsee> danimo: when is knetworkmanager's release?
[02:29] <danimo> Hobbsee: I think suse just packages it from svn
[02:29] <danimo> Hobbsee: so should we
[02:29] <danimo> Hobbsee: or harrass the guys to do official releases
[02:30] <Hobbsee> danimo: yeah, that'd be a plan.  volunteering for the svn grabbing and packaging?
[02:30] <imbrandon> hehe
[02:31] <danimo> Hobbsee: d'oh :)
[02:31] <danimo> Hobbsee: does that make any sense w/o being on edy?
[02:31] <danimo> edgy even
[02:32] <Hobbsee> danimo: sure.  pbuilder.
[02:33] <imbrandon> danimo: yea i build dapper and edgy packages on sid sometimes ( pbuilder )
[02:33] <imbrandon> or a chroot ;)
[02:33] <danimo> Hobbsee: I can't to that on my laptop at home, insufficient disk space
[02:34] <danimo> Hobbsee: but I really consider upgrading my computer at uni
[02:34] <imbrandon> i even setup a dapper chroot on suse one time just to see if i could heh
[02:34] <danimo> imbrandon: me too, it works
[02:34] <Hobbsee> danimo: ahh.
[02:34] <danimo> imbrandon: was a bit of a pain though
[02:35] <imbrandon> danimo: yea had to alien the debootstrap , other than that it was ok
[02:35] <danimo> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[02:35] <danimo> /dev/sda5              38G   37G  718M  99% /
[02:35] <imbrandon> ouch
[02:35] <danimo> Hobbsee: just to proof I am not lying :)
[02:35] <ajmitch> running a bit low there
[02:35] <danimo> imbrandon: yes, alien comes handy there
[02:35] <danimo> imbrandon: turns out that checking out kde 4 svn hogs disk space
[02:36] <imbrandon> hehe
[02:36] <Hobbsee> danimo: *ouch*
[02:36] <imbrandon> ye i did that on osx ( trying to build kde4 like kde3 on osx non X11 )
[02:36] <imbrandon> kinda ate my hdd up
[02:36] <danimo> Hobbsee: I gad to kick some stuff just to get kopete compiling
[02:36] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:37] <danimo> Hobbsee: well, building apps with debug symbols makes huge objects resulting in huge libs and huge binaries
[02:37] <StevenK> danimo: Yes and no.
[02:37] <imbrandon> i got plenty on this box though
[02:37] <Hobbsee> danimo: well, yeah, i guess
[02:38] <danimo> StevenK: yes and yes :)
[02:38] <danimo> Hobbsee: plus I kinda feel attached to my music collection :)
[02:38] <Hobbsee> danimo: heh...right...that's what cds are for
[02:38] <danimo> Hobbsee: cd's are so 80s
[02:38] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: noooo
[02:38] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: Thats what convenience is.
[02:39] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: if i burned all my music to cd it would be 100+ cd's
[02:39] <imbrandon> if not more
[02:39] <danimo> imbrandon: right
[02:39] <TheMuso> I used to think the same thing, but now I love all my music being searchable and playable whenever I want it to be. :)
[02:39] <danimo> Hobbsee: today, the solution is called NAS :)
[02:39] <danimo> imbrandon: right? :)
[02:39] <imbrandon> yup yup
[02:39] <TheMuso> StevenK: That must be really compressed.
[02:39] <imbrandon> nfs is great
[02:39] <TheMuso> Unless you don't have much music in the first place.
[02:39] <danimo> StevenK: or really few :)
[02:39] <Hobbsee> danimo: well...that too
[02:39] <StevenK> 10Gb, 150 albums
[02:39] <imbrandon> StevenK: not much music ?
[02:40] <danimo> plus you can only have one dvd available at one time
[02:40] <imbrandon> i have about 180gb or so
[02:40] <danimo> amarok doesn't really like that
[02:40] <imbrandon> between me and my wifes collection
[02:40] <StevenK> Oh including my wifes collection, it's 16Gb, but that doesn't compare.
[02:41] <imbrandon> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[02:41] <imbrandon> /dev/sda2              54G  2.8G   51G   6% /
[02:41] <imbrandon> /dev/sda4              47G  4.4G   43G  10% /home
[02:41] <imbrandon> /dev/sda3              47G   33M   47G   1% /media/extra
[02:41] <imbrandon> /dev/hda1              38G   23G   16G  60% /media/windows
[02:41] <imbrandon> heh still plenty of room
[02:41] <danimo> true, true
[02:41] <Hobbsee> oh you horrid people with big hard drives :P
[02:42] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: thats just voyager , the box with intrepid VM on it has 4 x 400gb sata's
[02:42] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:42] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: big?
[02:42] <ajmitch> imbrandon: that's excessive
[02:43] <imbrandon> but my poor little lappy only has 20gb ;(
[02:43] <zul> imbrandon: you name your computers after star trekships?
[02:43] <danimo> Hobbsee: well, as a laptop user it's not like you had a lot of disk space
[02:43] <imbrandon> zul: yea
[02:43] <Hobbsee> danimo: well, yeah.
[02:43] <ajmitch> danimo: my poor laptop only has a 100GB drive
[02:43] <zul> imbrandon: hmm...ok
[02:43] <danimo> ajmitch: you're out! :)
[02:43] <imbrandon> ajmitch: not really it has 6 vm 's running on it plus a full apt-mirror and my nfs music shares
[02:44] <danimo> same here
[02:44] <danimo> but I will prolly attach it to my router
[02:44] <danimo> so I can share it would my flatmate
[02:44] <danimo> and so I can turn the router in a small webserver :)
[02:44] <imbrandon> heh i need to grab atleaste a 60gb for the lappy sometime semi soon
[02:45] <imbrandon> ohh + dvd ripps ajmitch forgot those
[02:45] <danimo> those I have on dvd
[02:45] <imbrandon> still i use about 2/3rd of it
[02:46] <zul> wohoo...thank god for torrnets
[02:46] <imbrandon> danimo: i do too but i always have a few "in transit" on the hdd
[02:46] <danimo> imbrandon: well, I only have a small DSL line, so no "transit" here :)
[02:46] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:47] <danimo> since his area is on fiber, hence nobody's offering DSL here
[02:47] <imbrandon> i would die without my internet
[02:47] <imbrandon> heh
[02:47] <danimo> all fiber and no internet, irony of life
[02:47] <imbrandon> heh
[02:47] <imbrandon> danimo: where is here ?
[02:47] <TheMuso> Isn't fibre a good thing?
[02:48] <danimo> imbrandon: in a small town near bonn, germany
[02:48] <imbrandon> TheMuso: only if someone offers ip service on it
[02:48] <TheMuso> Right.
[02:48] <danimo> imbrandon: we ultimately got connected via 5.4Ghz radio
[02:48] <imbrandon> fiber in the usa is kinda scarse except in the north east
[02:49] <imbrandon> a few cities there have it
[02:49] <imbrandon> as far as IP fiber to the customer
[02:49] <danimo> imbrandon: well, all of east german is fibered, since they wanted to offer the most modern technology
[02:49] <danimo> imbrandon: then DSL came, and east germany again had a disadvantage
[02:50] <imbrandon> yea but fiber > dsl afaik as long as someone provides service
[02:50] <danimo> imbrandon: although my town is in the west, they used it to test drive the technology they were going to use there here
[02:50] <danimo> imbrandon: yes, that's the problem. fiber hardware is too expensive
[02:50] <imbrandon> yea
[02:51] <danimo> imbrandon: plus the problem is that it's not fiber to the home
[02:51] <danimo> imbrandon: the fiber ends at every street corner
[02:51] <imbrandon> ahh yea we have fiber just about everywhere in the US just not to the home ( only in the north east like i said )
[02:51] <danimo> imbrandon: so you need DSLAMs everywhere to split phone from DSL service
[02:51] <danimo> imbrandon: that's what it makes it expensive
[02:52] <imbrandon> yup "the last mile"
[02:52] <danimo> imbrandon: well, "the last mile" is relative here
[02:52] <imbrandon> yea , its just a figure of speach here too but thats what the companies call it
[02:52] <danimo> right
[02:54] <imbrandon> ok i'm off to sleep for a bit, Hobbsee if you try to log into intrepid in ~6 hours it will be pointing back to voyager and your password will be reset to what i normaly set it too
[02:54] <danimo> bye imbrandon
[02:54] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: okay, cool.
[02:55] <imbrandon> @lart 22 Hobbsee
[02:55] <ajmitch> heh
[02:55] <imbrandon> doh not in here
[02:55] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:55] <Hobbsee> danimo: i believe Tonio_ is looking at knetworkmanager too.
[02:55] <ajmitch> poor imbrandon, it doesn't work here
[02:55] <danimo> Hobbsee: hey, stop that!! :)
[02:55] <danimo> Hobbsee: yes, he's our NM overlord
[02:55] <Hobbsee> danimo: stop what?  :P
[02:56] <danimo> Hobbsee: poking, you almost got me by my face
[02:56] <imbrandon> you could put an eye out with that ...... /nick imbrandon_ZzZ
[02:56] <danimo> Hobbsee: controlling a long, pointy stick when you are on the other side of the world is a tad bit dangerous :)
[02:56] <Hobbsee> danimo: ahh...
[02:56] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:56] <imbrandon> doh
[02:56] <Hobbsee> danimo: hehe.  i'm very skilled.
[02:57] <danimo> Hobbsee: I hope so :)
[02:57] <imbrandon_zZz> lol @ TheMuso
[02:58] <imbrandon_zZz> grr i still have ~13 hrs till 2006 dro is done "in transit"
[02:58] <bddebian> Heya gang
[02:58] <imbrandon_zZz> s/dro/dr\ who
[02:58] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian
[02:58] <danimo> imbrandon_zZz: hehe
[02:58] <imbrandon_zZz> heya bddebian , gnight bddebian
[02:59] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee, gnight imbrandon_zZz
[02:59] <Hobbsee> night ajmitch
[02:59] <zul> i love uploading a 150 MB file
[02:59] <bddebian> Gnight ajmitch
[02:59] <zul> ajmitch: go to bed your procastinator
[03:00] <slomo_> zul: 150 mb? what's this? ;)
[03:00] <zul> xen-source-2.6.16
[03:00] <danimo> is xen integrated in edgy now?
[03:01] <zul> in universe
[03:01] <zul> it has its own kernel
[03:01] <imbrandon_zZz> zul: you should put a howto up for us lowlings to play with ;)
[03:02] <imbrandon_zZz> [08:01]  <imbrandon_zZz> zul: you should put a howto up for us lowlings to play with ;)
[03:02] <zul_> imbrandon_zZz: you should check the wiki more often ;)
[03:02] <imbrandon_zZz> hehe yea probably ;)
[03:03] <imbrandon_zZz> i will again when i wake ;)
[03:03] <imbrandon_zZz> xen would make my (vmware ) vm's obsolete
[03:03] <imbrandon_zZz> ;)
[03:15] <bddebian> Hobbsee: Are you going to merge/sync krecipes?
[03:16] <Hobbsee> bddebian: StevenK did it yesterday
[03:17] <bddebian> Ah, OK thx
[03:18] <StevenK> Actually, I'd really like to know where my upload went.
[03:18] <StevenK> I uploaded the fragging thing twice.
[03:18] <Hobbsee> heeh
[03:18] <StevenK> Watch me!
[03:19] <StevenK> I did not have sexual relations with that package.
[03:19] <Hobbsee> uh....
[03:19] <bddebian> hahaha
[03:19] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Clinton, circa, what, 2002?
[03:20] <Hobbsee> StevenK: well, yeah, but...
[03:20] <bddebian> shawarma: ping?
[03:20] <bddebian> Heya tuxmaniac
[03:20] <bddebian> slomo_: You around?
[03:20] <tuxmaniac> bddebian> boo
[03:20] <slomo_> bddebian: yes
[03:22] <bddebian> slomo_: Sorry, one sec
[03:25] <bddebian> slomo_: Oh, avidemux has changed so significantly, I'm not sure how to merge it cleanly other than it doesn't have the desktop file we added?
[03:30] <slomo_> bddebian: just look at our current changelog and do whatever is still valid
[03:31] <bddebian> slomo_: That's what I'm saying.  It is a little hard to determine :-)
[03:31] <slomo_> why?
[03:31] <slomo_> do we install the ff1vrec utility on i386? is it built with mmx enabled on x86?
[03:39] <bddebian> Which reminds me, what's up with transcode wanting libavcodeccvs51-dev
[03:40] <slomo_> make it libavcodec-dev
[03:40] <bddebian> Are they compatible?
[03:41] <slomo_> ffmpeg is never compatible ;)
[03:41] <slomo_> but should work
[03:42] <slomo_> the problem lies somewhere else... autoreconf breaks the build completely but we need autoreconf
[03:42] <bddebian> OK
[03:43] <bddebian> For avidemux, they are building ff1vrec now but I don't see where mmx is enabled in either?
[03:44] <slomo_> it is enabled by default
[03:44] <slomo_> look at our old diff.gz, everything is in there :)
[03:46] <bddebian> slomo_: Oh, duh, I was trying to diff the .dscs last night.. Must have been late :-(
[03:47] <bddebian> Sorry to bug ya
[03:47] <slomo_> np :)
[04:06] <bddebian> Oh yeah, here's my avidemux problem:
[04:06] <bddebian> ADM_codecfaad.cpp: In constructor 'ADM_faad::ADM_faad(uint32_t, WAVHeader*, uint32_t, uint8_t*)':
[04:06] <bddebian> ADM_codecfaad.cpp:56: error: invalid conversion from 'long unsigned int*' to 'uint32_t*'
[04:07] <lakin> bddebian: sounds like a 64 bit platform.
[04:08] <slomo_> bddebian: cool... does it use an internal libfaad or something?
[04:09] <Yagisan> nice to see bddebian playing with avidemux
[04:11] <Yagisan> bddebian, what version of avidemux are you playing with ?
[04:14] <bddebian> Yagisan: 2.1.2+2.2-preview2b
[04:14] <Yagisan> 2.2 ?
[04:15] <slomo_> newest from marillat
[04:15] <Yagisan> bddebian, careful. It has showstopper bugs
[04:15] <bddebian> Oh great
[04:15] <Yagisan> bddebian, upstream switched to the 2.3 branch
[04:15] <slomo_> oh
[04:15] <slomo_> thanks Yagisan :)
[04:15] <Yagisan> bddebian, design issue - http://avidemux.berlios.de/dotclear/index.php?2006/07/23/16-22-in-fact-it-will-be-23-wiki-change
[04:16] <slomo_> bddebian: so let's wait with avidemux
[04:16] <bddebian> Gah, OK
[04:16] <Yagisan> slomo_, bddebian . It is one of the few motu media things I have time to check on
[04:17] <azeem> ...
[04:17] <Yagisan> bddebian, thanks for working on it, but even I would wait for the first 2.3 to appear
[04:18] <bddebian> azeem: ?
[04:18] <azeem> you always seem to take things like these personally, or at least that is my perception
[04:21] <bddebian> azeem: A lot of times you are correct, but not this time :-)
[04:24] <Yagisan> bddebian, good thing you didn't do avidemux 8 days ago
[04:24] <bddebian> Yagisan: Why's that?
[04:25] <Yagisan> bddebian, that news was only posted 7 days ago. You'd get a request to revert from me rather quickly
[04:27] <bddebian> Ah :-)
[04:27] <Yagisan> bddebian, that would make a very ugly version number if it was too late
[04:27] <slomo_> we could simply add an epoch ;)
[04:28] <Yagisan> slomo_, see, ugly ;)
[04:32] <lucas> how can I force a page to include a TOC on the ubuntu wiki ?
[04:35] <bddebian> w00t, qdvdauthor builds clean
[04:43] <ryanakca> I'm getting these errors when running pbuilder on gnome-clipboard-daemon: http://pastebin.ca/105132         any idea why?
[04:44] <azeem> ryanakca: it's not installing to DESTDIR, but into /usr
[04:45] <azeem> "cp gnome-clipboard-daemon $(DESTDIR)/usr/bin"
[04:45] <azeem> ryanakca: $(DESTDIR) is null in this line, so it installs into /usr/bin
[05:00] <ryanakca> azeem: back.. sorry... so this? http://pastebin.ca/105160
[05:08] <azeem> ryanakca: yes, but the $(MAKE) in the install: rule is probably not needed, as there is no install: target in the upstream Makefile and you don't pass it anyway (I assume you call $(MAKE) in the build target already)
[05:32] <Viper550> Seeing as you were huge fans of my Purple theme for Kubuntu, want to see my new theme for Edgy?
[05:43] <slomo_> bddebian: there is no unrar with that version in unstable
[05:43] <bddebian> slomo_: ?
[05:44] <bddebian> slomo_: So reject that one?
[05:44] <slomo_> bddebian: nevermind
[05:44] <slomo_> i looked at unrar instead of rar
[05:44] <bddebian> Ah OK
[05:44] <slomo_> now i feel stupid :P
[05:44] <bddebian> Nah :-)
[05:55] <bddebian> Going swimming, later folks
[08:05] <bddebian> shawarma: Around yet?
[08:10] <bddebian> Damn, what do you people think this is a weekend or something? :-)
[08:12] <Gloubiboulga> hehe
[08:12] <bddebian> Heya Gloubiboulga
[08:12] <Gloubiboulga> hi bddebian :)
[08:15] <bddebian> Damn, axiom frickin' filled up my drive on my machine at work :-(
[08:20] <shawarma> bddebian: I'm BACK!   I lost the changelog file :-(
[08:39] <shawarma> bddebian: Heh.
[08:41] <shawarma> bddebian: hmm... even with axiom on the list, https://launchpad.net/people/shawarma/+packages is nowhere near impressive enough for the next TB meeting.
[08:41] <Amaranth> if i upload my source package somewhere can someone help me figure out why it's not installing the init script anymore?
[08:42] <shawarma> bddebian: I'll consider it a personal failure if I don't manage to become a MOTU before Edgy is released, so I've still got a few months. :-)
[08:42] <bddebian> :-)
[08:43] <bddebian> Hmm, I haven't looked at my package list lately
[08:44] <Amaranth> http://dev.realistanew.com/random/
[08:44] <Amaranth> my broken package :P
[08:45] <Amaranth> it creates the user on install but doesn't delete it on remove and it stopped installing the init script when i made it start creating the user
[08:46] <shawarma> Amaranth: do yo have a debdiff between the package that works and the one that doesn't?
[08:46] <Amaranth> no
[08:46] <bddebian> shawarma: Uploaded, let's see if she builds :-)
[08:46] <shawarma> Amaranth: ok
[08:46] <Amaranth> the one that installed the init script was the same except for the willowng.postinst file
[08:46] <shawarma> bddebian: coolness
[08:46] <Amaranth> this one overwrote the files for that one
[08:48] <shawarma> Amaranth: Ah. hm... When you remove the package, you DO remember --purge, right?
[08:48] <shawarma> Amaranth: Not just --remove?
[08:48] <Amaranth> i purged it
[08:49] <Amaranth> maybe it did remove the user
[08:49] <Amaranth> it did, yay
[08:49] <shawarma> Amaranth: Ok. Well, the init scrit should just be called willowng.init, not willowng.init.d, if I'm not much mistaken.
[08:49] <Amaranth> shawarma: when did that change?
[08:49] <Amaranth> shawarma: willowng.init.d is what dh_make created and what has worked until now
[08:50] <shawarma> Amaranth: sure?
[08:50] <shawarma> Amaranth: You're right.
[08:51] <bddebian> Ack, why the heck is prismstumblier building crap in /usr/lib/share/foo and /usr/bin/share/foo?
[08:51] <Amaranth> shawarma: i'm almost certain my ordering of includes in rules or the postinst file is doing it
[08:51] <shawarma> Amaranth: well, you're right that dh_make makes  blah.init.d.ex, but man dh_installinit says to use .init
[08:51] <Amaranth> i fell asleep before checking, was hoping someone would spot an obvious error
[08:52] <shawarma> Amaranth: Ah... +update-rc.d willowng start 50 2 3 4 5 . stop 50 1 . >/dev/null   belongs in postinst. Not debian/rules
[08:52] <Gloubiboulga> bddebian, you want something in /usr/bin/share, really ? ;)
[08:53] <bddebian> Gloubiboulga: I can't make it stop :-(
[08:53] <Gloubiboulga> just mv the files
[08:53] <Amaranth> shawarma: it doesn't install the file in /etc/init.d/ at all
[08:53] <Gloubiboulga> or patch the makefile
[08:54] <shawarma> Amaranth: Call it .init instead of init.d. Check the dh_installinit man page.
[08:54] <LaserJock> hi bddebian: how's it going?
[08:54] <Gloubiboulga> hi LaserJock
[08:54] <Amaranth> shawarma: must be a fairly recent change
[08:54] <shawarma> Amaranth: Gotta go. I have company. i just stopped by the computer to see if the internet connection was back. :-)
[08:54] <Amaranth> thanks
[08:54] <LaserJock> hi Gloubiboulga
[08:55] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[08:55] <bddebian> LaserJock: Just sent up axiom with shawarma's changes
[08:56] <bddebian> Later shawarma, good job
[08:56] <bddebian> Gloubiboulga: I'm not sure if I care about this package enough to do too much work :-)
[08:56] <Gloubiboulga> bddebian, I understand :)
[08:57] <LaserJock> bddebian: cool, thanks for all the work dude
[08:57] <bddebian> OK, time to get back in the pool, bbiab
[08:57] <bddebian> LaserJock: NP :-)
[08:58] <LaserJock> it really isn't np. it takes a lot of time and work
[08:58] <LaserJock> maybe I need to start a BddebianIsAGod thread on the forums
[08:58] <carthik_> Guys, who'd be responsible for the cdimage.u.c website?
[08:58] <carthik_> bug 54475
[08:58] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 54475 in ogre "cdimage.u.c/daily breezy" [Untriaged,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/54475
[08:59] <Amaranth> shawarma: yay that appears to have done it
[08:59] <LaserJock> probably canonical sysadmins, I would think
[09:01] <carthik_> hmm, I was hoping to bring that above bug there to light - can't seem to find the right "package" to file that against :)
[09:01] <carthik_> Is there a place where canonical admins hang out around here?
[09:02] <LaserJock> -devel
[09:03] <LaserJock> elmo, Znarl, and Spads are the sysadmins
[09:03] <LaserJock> but it's the weekend so I don't know if you'll be able to get anybody until monday
[09:05] <Amaranth> i thought /usr/share/pycentral/willowng/site-packages/ was added to PYTHONPATH
[09:06] <Amaranth> i mean for my app
[09:06] <Amaranth> or do i have to patch that in too?
[09:09] <LaserJock> Amaranth: I didn't think so
[09:09] <LaserJock> oh wait, you are using python-central?
[09:09] <Amaranth> yeah
[09:10] <LaserJock> I think you install the modules as you would normally
[09:10] <Amaranth> it installed them there
[09:10] <LaserJock> well, it should then compile them and put them in the appropriate places
[09:10] <Amaranth> what?
[09:11] <Amaranth> pycentral put them in that location
[09:11] <Amaranth> I had nothing to do with it.
[09:11] <LaserJock> yes, and then it compiles them and puts them in /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/ for instance
[09:11] <Amaranth> No, it doesn't.
[09:11] <Amaranth> Not for me.
[09:11] <LaserJock> it should
[09:11] <LaserJock> where are you installing the modules to?
[09:12] <Amaranth> you mean where is the app installing them to?
[09:12] <Amaranth> i suppose it would be /usr/lib/python2.X/site-packages/
[09:12] <LaserJock> hmm
[09:14] <LaserJock> bddebian: did you merge cernlib?
[09:45] <bddebian> LaserJock: I thought I asked for a sync?
[09:45] <bddebian> Let me look
[09:48] <bddebian> LaserJock: Ah, I did merge it but I think there is an updated merge on it
[09:48] <LaserJock> hmm, ok
[09:49] <bddebian> Why, something wrong?
[09:49] <LaserJock> well, I think MOTU Science is in good shape
[09:49] <LaserJock> I was just tracking down stuff
[09:49] <bddebian> LaserJock: Nah, I'm not done yet ;-)
[09:50] <LaserJock> well, there looks to be only about 3 packages that need merge/sync
[09:50] <LaserJock> the rest are straight syncs that we can mostly do later if they aren't automatically done at some point
[09:50] <bddebian> LaserJock: Oh?  What are they? ;-)
[09:51] <rave> hi hi
[09:51] <LaserJock> lyx, savant, and seesat5 (which looks like a sync to me)
[09:52] <LaserJock> I'm going to update plotdrop from the Debian side
[09:52] <bddebian> Oh, I think cernlib is a sync now, I think I sent Debian my changes
[09:52] <LaserJock> axiom and cernlib are probably taken care of
[09:52] <LaserJock> xmakemol is done
[09:52] <bddebian> Hello rave
[09:52] <bddebian> I think I looked at savant at one point
[09:52] <LaserJock> and I'll let ajmitch handle zope-zms
[09:53] <bddebian> Yeah, Ididnt want to touch zope anythign and face the wrath ;-P
[09:53] <LaserJock> hehe
[09:53] <Amaranth> when something spits out "Terminated" it just segfaulted, right?
[09:53] <bddebian> Possibly
[09:54] <Amaranth> wow, i make stable things like start-stop-daemon segfault
[09:54] <Amaranth> :P
[09:54] <Amaranth> but it doesn't do it when i run it on my own, only when it's run in my init script
[09:54] <Amaranth> oh, maybe it's the lsb stuff dying
[09:54] <LaserJock> bddebian: that leaves tetex*, python-scipy, plotdrop, and gausssum for me to work on, good work dude
[09:55] <Amaranth> start-stop-daemon successfully kills my daemon, then the init script dies
[09:56] <bddebian> LaserJock: I was thinking about the tetex stuff but.. :)
[09:56] <LaserJock> Amaranth: so is it turning into a situation where it is taking longer to package the app then write it?
[09:56] <Amaranth> LaserJock: Indeed
[09:56] <LaserJock> bddebian: well, I'd like to take a stab at it
[09:56] <bddebian> LaserJock: Go for it
[09:56] <Amaranth> LaserJock: Seriously though, it is.
[09:56] <LaserJock> that's what I was thinking
[09:56] <LaserJock> you wrote it really quickly
[09:56] <Amaranth> How the _fuck_ does log_end_msg $? die?
[09:58] <Amaranth> LaserJock: I had a perfectly working package already. It got rejected for not using the new python policy and not using LSB init crap.
[09:58] <LaserJock> heh, that happens
[09:58] <Amaranth> LaserJock: Those two things have taken about 2 weeks now to get right and now lsb crap is segfaulting.
[09:58] <LaserJock> :(
[09:59] <Amaranth> hmm, actually it only got rejected a week ago, something else must have taken the rest of that time
[10:00] <Amaranth> I'm nearing the point where I have more lines in my debian/ dir than in the actual program. :P
[10:00] <LaserJock> hehe
[10:00] <LaserJock> I've seen a few of those
[10:02] <Amaranth> I'll wait for ogra to come and save the day.
[10:02] <LaserJock> lol
[10:02] <LaserJock> he has a tendency of doing that sometimes :-)
[10:02] <Amaranth> like the cdbs upload yesterday
[10:02] <LaserJock> yep
[10:03] <LaserJock> I got a laugh out of that
[10:05] <Amaranth> Speak of the devil. :)
[10:07] <Amaranth> ogra: Help! log_end_msg $? is segfaulting in my init script
[10:09] <ogra> is log_end_msg 0 or 1 also segfaulting ?
[10:10] <ogra> (it shouldnt  and doesnt here)
[10:10] <Amaranth> it is
[10:10] <Amaranth> the latest stuff is published in my branch
[10:11] <ogra> you sourced the init-functions at the top ?
[10:11] <Amaranth> start-stop-daemon is successfully stopping willowng then the script dies
[10:11] <Amaranth> it works fine for starting
[10:11] <Amaranth> maybe start-stop-daemon is stopping then segfaulting, i dunno
[10:12] <Amaranth> ok, so it's start-stop-daemon that's dying
[10:12] <Amaranth> but it doesn't when i run it manually
[10:14] <Amaranth> btw, is it just me or is edgy less, well, "edgy" than dapper was?
[10:15] <LaserJock> it's hard to get to wild on a 4 month release schedule I suppose
[10:20] <ogra> Amaranth, where is the pid stored ? i cant find a pid file
[10:21] <Amaranth> ogra: I thought start-stop-daemon was supposed to create it, it wasn't, i removed that part from the init script
[10:21] <ogra> hmm ... might be your problem ...
[10:25] <ogra> Amaranth, dropping --exec $DAEMON from the stop cal solves it here
[10:26] <Amaranth> ogra: in my latest stuff i have start-stop-daemon --stop --oknodo --quiet --name willowng
[10:26] <Amaranth> i don't get any pid created
[10:26] <Amaranth> pid file, i mean
[10:27] <ogra> not with  --pidfile /var/run/$NAME.pid in the start call ?
[10:27] <ogra> heh
[10:28] <ogra> reading manpages helps :)
[10:28] <ogra>   -p|--pidfile pid-file
[10:28] <ogra>               Check whether a process has created the file pid-file.
[10:28] <ogra> so its up to you
[10:28] <Amaranth> that's annoying
[10:29] <Amaranth> uh, i run as willowng user so i don't think i have access to that
[10:29] <ogra> oh, and please dont call it web proxy in the init, call it content filter rather ...
[10:30] <Amaranth> yeah, the willowng user doesn't have access to /var/run
[10:30] <ogra> erm
[10:30] <ogra> the package wasnt uploaded yet, right ?
[10:30] <Amaranth> right
[10:30] <ogra> please dont raise the version number then
[10:31] <Amaranth> you mean the 0.3 thing?
[10:31] <ogra> yep
[10:31] <Amaranth> that's the non-ubuntu version
[10:31] <ogra> should stay at what we uploaded
[10:31] <ogra> doesnt matter
[10:31] <Amaranth> um
[10:31] <Amaranth> So I'm supposed to lie about what version it is?
[10:31] <ogra> no
[10:31] <ogra> but you develop for ubuntu atm
[10:32] <ogra> so keep the version number that was reviewed
[10:32] <ogra> else you will cause confusion ...
[10:32] <Amaranth> I have this file, called willowng-0.3.tar.gz, that works without a package....
[10:32] <ogra> hrm
[10:32] <Amaranth> You know, like a regular release?
[10:32] <ogra> yes
[10:33] <ogra> i'd have preferred a native ubuntu package, but well ... sonce ou do only packaging work atm, please leave the version at the number thats in the queue for comparison
[10:33] <ogra> in fact it shouldnt be higher than 0.1 for the first upload at all
[10:33] <ogra> but we already uploaded 0.2
[10:33] <Amaranth> Right now I have a problem beyond all that though.
[10:33] <ogra> so please stick with that one
[10:34] <Amaranth> I can't write to /var/run
[10:34] <Amaranth> I'll mess with it again monday.
[10:35] <Amaranth> I'm too pissed off right now.
[10:35] <ogra> yes, i cant think anymore anyway ... i havent slept two days and packaed the truck over here
[10:35] <Amaranth> all these weird little things i have to do, the stupid package is taking longer than writing the program itself
[10:42] <ogra> btw, the initscrip runs as root ;)
[10:42] <ogra> have a look at the dbus initscript
[10:44] <bddebian> Man, savant is a pig too
[10:45] <LaserJock> really
[10:45] <LaserJock> that stinks
[10:50] <bddebian> LaserJock: Oh, it's working so far, it's just taking longer than I expected to build :-)
[11:06] <bddebian> LaserJock: savant is a sync
[11:07] <LaserJock> cool
[11:13] <crimsun> heh, my merge class night turned into sync city.
[11:13] <crimsun> last night ^
[11:14] <LaserJock> dang it, I missed that one too :(
[11:14] <LaserJock> :(
[11:14] <LaserJock> grrrr
[11:14] <bddebian> LaserJock: seesat5 sync requested also
[11:14] <LaserJock> cool
[11:14] <bddebian> Damn, I missed it too, totally spaced it :'-(
[11:14] <LaserJock> crimsun: how many people showed up?
[11:15] <crimsun> a couple + a half-dozen idlers or so
[11:15] <bddebian> Crap I suck :-(
[11:15] <LaserJock> did somebody post a log?
[11:15] <LaserJock> bddebian: yeah, me too
[11:15] <crimsun> there will be one.
[11:16] <LaserJock> what package did you use?
[11:17] <crimsun> xmakemol, wesnoth, and m2crypto
[11:17] <LaserJock> cool
[11:22] <LaserJock> hmm, has http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html been updated since UVF?
[11:26] <crimsun> I don't think so; you'll probably have better luck w/ lucas's lists.
[11:26] <crimsun> err, since UVF? Yes.
[11:26] <crimsun> (sorry, misparsed that [somehow]  as since last week)
[11:27] <LaserJock> so it is being updated just not terribly often
[11:27] <crimsun> I'm not sure what the precise mechanism is; you'll have to ask Scott on Monday.
[11:28] <ajmitch> LaserJock: probably a good thing you didn't touch zope-zms
[11:28] <LaserJock> ajmitch: I wouldn't dare :-)
[11:28] <ajmitch> LaserJock: since the 1st debian NMU of it is horribly broken
[11:29] <LaserJock> crimsun: I'm just finding that the MoM list is not very up-to-date for someone wanting to pick out a random package to take care of
[11:29] <bddebian> How do I debug this:
[11:29] <bddebian> TC_CHECK_V4L(AC_DEFINE([HAVE_V4L] , 1, [Have video4linux(2)] ))
[11:29] <bddebian> AM_CONDITIONAL(HAVE_V4L, test x"$have_v4l" = x"yes")
[11:29] <bddebian> breaking a configure line?
[11:30] <slomo> bddebian: i don't know :) and it only breaks it when you generate the autotools stuff yourself, the version in the tarball is fine
[11:36] <LaserJock> ajmitch: do you use bzr for packaging?
[11:39] <ajmitch> yes
[11:40] <carthik> LaserJock, http://netz.smurf.noris.de/logs/freenode/2006/07/28/%23ubuntu-motu-school.log and then the log for the 29th (change in url) are the logs
[11:40] <LaserJock> ajmitch: do you use a seperate branch for each revision?
[11:41] <ajmitch> you mean for each patch that would otherwise have been applied?
[11:41] <bddebian> slomo: How'd you know? :)
[11:41] <LaserJock> ajmitch: well for like debian/
[11:41] <LaserJock> ajmitch: ok, fine
[11:42] <slomo> bddebian: what? because i tried to merge it myself already ;)
[11:42] <slomo> bddebian: i.e. transcode
[11:42] <ajmitch> sorry, I'll be back in a few hours :)
[11:42] <bddebian> slomo: I meant how'd you know what I was working on? ;-P
[11:43] <crimsun> LaserJock: I don't maintain separate branches per revision, no.
[11:43] <crimsun> that'd be a bit overkill imo
[11:43] <slomo> bddebian: because i had the same problem :P and TC_CHECK_V4L.... is very unique
[11:43] <LaserJock> crimsun: that's what I'm trying to figure out. I've got 2 packages I maintain in Debian and I want to set them up cleanly
[11:44] <LaserJock> crimsun: but I don't think I'm very good at using version control
[11:44] <crimsun> LaserJock: have you read Scott's https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BzrMaintainerHowto ?
[11:45] <crimsun> (My practice is to have separate /debian and /ubuntu branches as outlined at that URL)
[11:50] <LaserJock> crimsun: hmm, that's going to take a few rereadings :/
[11:53] <crimsun> I've noticed that my usage patterns are shifting due to using AIGLX; it's nice to have the focused window opaque and the unfocused ones transparent.
[11:54] <crimsun> (I'm spending less time shuffling terminal windows around on the screen.)
[11:55] <slomo> crimsun: oh do you have a howto for switching to AIGLX somewhere? :)
[11:55] <crimsun> no, but I can attempt a quick runthrough now if you're running current Edgy and not using a binary-only video driver. :)
[11:56] <crimsun> my only caveat is that I'm doing this with xfwm4 and not metacity/compiz.
[11:57] <slomo> i'm using the free radeon driver... so it should be fine ;) hmm, i must probably build metacity with compositor support then, right?
[11:57] <crimsun> that's probably what you'll need.
[11:58] <crimsun> rodarvus enabled AIGLX in the xserver-xorg-core build already, so most of the "hard work" has been done.
[11:59] <slomo> ok, so the only thing missing is enabling AIGLX in xorg.conf and having some kind of compositor (like compiz or metacity build with it)?
[12:00] <crimsun> you need a compositor (like compiz), and you need to load the composite extension in /etc/X11/xorg.conf. That's all.
[12:00] <crimsun> Section "Extensions"
[12:00] <crimsun>         Option  "Composite"     "true"
[12:00] <crimsun> EndSection
[12:01] <slomo> oh... how boring ;) i already have that so only metacity is missing now
[12:01] <crimsun> yeah, almost too easy ;)
[12:02] <crimsun> heck, I think with compiz you may not even need the entry in /etc/X11/xorg.conf ... (iirc compiz loads the extension automatically)
[12:04] <slomo> thanks :) i'll try it tomorrow then
[12:04] <slomo> i hope we can get metacity build with that by default for edgy
[12:04] <crimsun> np :)


 one might be able to rip them out of a cracked surface RT ... <-- you really wouldn't need it to be cracked, you have full admin access on Windows RT, the only policies are you cannot run unsigned binaries or drivers
[05:43] <aladdin> hello
[05:43] <aladdin> chromium 25 build failed because headers missing :(
[05:43] <aladdin> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/25.0.1364.160-0ubuntu1/+build/4358080
[05:44] <aladdin> v8/src/../include/v8stdint.h:34:19: fatal error: stdio.h: No such file or directory
[05:45] <aladdin> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/25.0.1364.160-0ubuntu1/+build/4358080
[08:04] <yunfan> hi i came here for asking if there is any plan for supporting ubuntu on samsung's arm chromebook?
[08:35] <ogra_> ynezz, not officially, but there is a lot chromeboot work from the community and it works flawless with ubuntu
[08:36]  * ogra_ hugs xnox
[08:36] <ogra_> lilstevie, well, then you would need to crack the signature ... carcking would be involved somewhere in the process :)
[08:38] <lilstevie> ogra_, why would you need to crack the signature, low integrity level code (metro apps) don't have the same code sign integrity, also you could just not worry about checking the sig in wine for arm :p I think the bigger task is trying to emulate the metro APIs
[08:39] <ogra_> heh, yeah, well, thats a requirement in general for wine :)
[08:39] <lilstevie> yeah
[08:41] <yunfan> ogra_: i have installed the chrUbuntu
[08:42] <yunfan> but that's lack of multi-touch supoport
[08:42] <yunfan> and its X is reaaaaaly slow while the tty is quite flex
[08:42] <ogra_> yunfan, using unity ?
[08:43] <ogra_> (and sorry ynezz)
[08:43] <yunfan> ogra_: yep, i just wondering if they have some debug code like sleep 99999
[08:43] <ogra_> haha
[08:43] <ogra_> no
[08:43] <ogra_> but there is definitely something wrong with the GLES support for mali ...
[08:43] <yunfan> everytime when i press the key, i need to wait for the terminal window's response action
[08:44] <ogra_> gles itself runs fine for me but unity seems ot still do SW rendering nontheless
[08:44] <ogra_> oh, its not that bad for me
[08:45] <ogra_> its actually usable ... just not as fast as it could be, did you copy the binary libs from chromeos ?
[08:45] <yunfan> i heard that ubuntu touch would be run on galaxy note2 which share the same cpu with my chromebook
[08:45] <yunfan> i didnt , just follow the install step from chrUbuntu
[08:45] <ogra_> ubuntu touch is based on cyanogenmod
[08:45] <yunfan> mabybe they did in that shell script
[08:46] <yunfan> oop
[08:46] <ogra_> unless someone has chromebook support added to that it wont "just run" with code from another device
[08:46] <ogra_> and ubuntu touch doesnt use X at all
[08:46] <yunfan> got it, that's why you have ac100 supporting?
[08:46] <yunfan> i also own an ac100
[08:47] <yunfan> which after update to the armHF version, runs very fast
[08:47] <ogra_> i started the ac100 port several years ago ... there wasnt even a tought for ubuntu touch ...
[08:47] <yunfan> but the battery life is terrible
[08:47] <ogra_> and keeping ac100 alive was a constant matter of pain dealing with the binary drivers
[08:48] <lilstevie> also ac100 is very much a netbook
[08:48] <ogra_> i still love my ac100 and the 8-9h battery life are definitely unbeaten
[08:48] <lilstevie> IMO much better suited to a desktop environment though
[08:48] <yunfan> so the simple answer is there're not an official plan for supporting samsung's chromebook ?
[08:48] <ogra_> but 512M just hurt
[08:49] <yunfan> well by using LXDE, i feel the ac100 is just enough , but the battery which is a real problem , i cant accept 1.5 hour
[08:49] <yunfan> and its powerline is ugly
[08:49] <ogra_> yunfan, canonical wont support it ... but hrw did already so much packaging work that we could probably build images for it at some point if someone does the work to implement that in the build system
[08:50] <ogra_> yunfan, your battery is clearly broken
[08:50] <ogra_> i get 8-9h out of one charge
[08:50] <yunfan> ogra_: i have send to the factory and they told me its normal :[
[08:50] <yunfan> ogra_: well another question
[08:50] <ogra_> and i own three ac100's which all get me that
[08:50] <hrw> yunfan: you really want to abandon unity/3d in favour of something working
[08:51] <ogra_> hrw, no, you want to file bug reports and pester daniel van vugt :)
[08:51] <hrw> ogra_: I dropped opengles driver from ppa
[08:51] <hrw> ogra_: no redistribution license
[08:51] <yunfan> ogra_: can you recommend a quick turtorial for my learning arm asm ? i am a python engineer currently, i knew those binary trans 2's complement number things
[08:52] <ogra_> good move ... better have a howto for people to copy the stuff from chromeos
[08:52] <hrw> ogra_: will do such
[08:53] <ogra_> yunfan, so your answer is, no, chromebook will never get official support, but it might come to a level where the ac100 is at some point
[08:53] <ogra_> (which never was officially supported)
[08:53] <yunfan> ogra_: that's good if it could arrive the ac100's level
[08:54] <hrw> yunfan: so far there are nearly no people doing work which ac100 community did
[08:54] <yunfan> ogra_: what about my secondary question?
[08:54] <ogra_> building image is a matter of someone investing the time into implementing that in the build system ... for ac100 it was me who did that in his sparetime ... i dont currently have that much of spare time to do it again for a new device
[08:54] <hrw> I packaged kernel, handled opengles, x11 driver and had fingers in few other places but my time is limited
[08:54] <yunfan> hrw: yep, but sonner or later , people would do that, its just that device is in really use
[08:55] <hrw> during Linaro Connect Asia I was fully ARMed - did not took x86 at all
[08:55]  * ogra_ does that since 3 years :)
[08:55] <ogra_> but i'm a masochist if it comes to HW :)
[08:56] <hrw> :D
[08:56] <yunfan> guys, can you recommend a quickly arm asm turtorial for me plz?
[08:56] <yunfan> btw, i prefer att syntax
[08:56] <ogra_> the arm page might have some
[08:56]  * ogra_ tries to stay away from asm if possible
[08:56] <yunfan> its not that quick by therir documents
[08:57] <hrw> asm?
[08:57] <hrw> why anyone wants to learn asm
[08:57] <yunfan> yep
[08:57] <hrw> ~armarm
[08:57] <yunfan> because i want to port my forth impl on arm platform
[08:57] <hrw> yunfan: do it in C
[08:58] <ogra_> use gcc atomics
[08:58] <hrw> C version will be faster, trust me
[08:58] <yunfan> which require emmit machine code while doing metaprogramming
[08:58] <yunfan> hrw: true man wont use c for their own forth  :]
[08:58] <hrw> C ver can also be tunned for a8/a9/a7/a15/a53/a57/aWHATEVER
[08:59] <ogra_> even if there is a massive performance advantage over asm ?
[08:59] <hrw> good luck with hand tuning for a7/a15
[08:59] <yunfan> its just joking : ] i am intereting of low level things
[08:59] <ogra_> (and portability across the different arm arches)
[08:59] <yunfan> but i dont like x86, so what i can choose is mips or arm. consider that i have two arm devices , so i choose arm
[09:00] <ogra_> well, i'm not touching asm ... and honestly never had to apart from fixing horrid stuff of people that (falsely) thought they need asm in their code to be fast
[09:00] <ogra_> so i cant point you to a tutorial ...
[09:00] <yunfan> i am just reading CSAPP the greate book which lead me so interesting of low level things
[09:01] <ogra_> well, try #linaro during the week, you might find some asm specialists there
[09:01] <yunfan> no i am not need asm for just be fast, as a python engineer, i knew that most times implments that i wrote in c wont be faster that the python official's
[09:01] <ogra_> (but i'm pretty sur ethey'll tell you the same)
[09:02] <lilstevie> the only time we use ASM is for payloads that need to be super small
[09:02]  * lilstevie doesn't know asm
[09:02] <lilstevie> :p
[09:02] <yunfan> i want to learn asm is that i am interesting of it and the low level things made me understand easier by the simple term and less complex
[09:02]  * ogra_ knows some from his teenager days ... but thats looooong ago
[09:03] <yunfan> i will try that , thanks ogra_
[09:03] <lilstevie> that is a single case where asm is probably the better approach though, the whole bootloader situation on x86 is a good show of why doing something in asm is a bad idea
[09:03] <lilstevie> syslinux or grub would be wonderful on arm
[09:04] <yunfan> ogra_: as a chinese , i might just acts like your teanager in CS knowledges ,i bought PC when i was in college
[09:12] <ogra_> lilstevie, there is some arm code in grub ...
[09:12] <ogra_> just nothing finished ...
[10:18] <hrw> lilstevie: I saw grub on arm already
[10:18] <hrw> Linaro is working on it
[11:09] <lilstevie> hrw, heh yeah, but it is still nowhere near ready from what I've seen
[18:24] <marvin24> hi, I'm about to add http://paste.ubuntu.com/5602702/ to our version of flash-kernel
[18:24] <marvin24> it copies the right device tree from /lib/firmware to /boot
[18:24] <marvin24> so uboot can find it
[18:24] <marvin24> does this makes sense or is it totally bogus?
[18:32] <marvin24> ok, it's totally bogus to ask such questions on sunday eve
[19:04] <marvin24> (install to /etc/kernel/postinst.d, if someone wonders)
[23:09] <ogra_> marvin24, you mean to your kernel package, not flash-kernel, right ?