[00:35] <maxb> There isn't a command line tool to copy packages between distroseries in a PPA is there?
[02:35] <stgraber> if someone happens to still be around, can you please fix: https://edge.launchpad.net/+builds/actinium ?
[02:42] <brunoqc> when building deb packages with launchpad, is there a way to force the build to use a lib not included in intrepid yet?
[03:04] <EdwinGrubbs> brunoqc: you can either build the dependency in your ppa first, or you can make your ppa depend on another ppa that contains the lib. https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA#Dependencies
[03:07] <brunoqc> EdwinGrubbs: do I need to force the version number with "Build-Depends" or launchpad will take the newest package available?
[03:19] <maxb> brunoqc: a version restricted Build-Depends will only make the build fail if it can't be satisfied, it won't influence which version is chosen
[03:19] <brunoqc> maxb: ok, I'll check, thanks both!
[04:09] <enkrates794> I filed a bug for bazaar about a week ago and got a response asking for more info. I provided the info, but I'm not sure if I should do something else in launchpad to get a further response. Could someone take a look at the bug and let me know if I've missed something? I'm not certain that I understand the procedure. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/316196
[04:50] <mtaylor> statik: ping
[04:51] <statik> mtaylor: hi
[09:09] <hyperair> hi. i noticed launchpad ppas were signed recently? how dyou add the keys?
[09:09] <hyperair> i mean apart from manually copying the keyring block and running apt-key add -
[09:10] <hyperair> is there a link to download the public part of the key?
[09:10] <bigjools> you need import the key from keyserver.ubuntu.com
[09:10] <hyperair> bigjools: how
[09:11] <hyperair> i'd like to get a one-liner command, so i can put it on the PPA description as instructions
[09:11] <bigjools> I personally use gpg --import, re-export it to a file and then apt-key add
[09:12] <bigjools> There's no real one-liner (unless someone knows better than I).  We're going to work on a more automated way of doing it in the future using auto-generated packages that install the right bits.
[11:35] <wgrant> Can somebody please kick Loggerhead?
[11:39] <jtv2> wgrant: I'm asking around, hang on.  Meanwhile, is it a global problem?  Or something specific to one project/package?
[11:43] <wgrant> jtv2: It seems to be working again now.
[11:51] <jtv3> wgrant: oh, ok :)
[11:52] <wgrant> jtv3: You're multiplying!
[11:53] <wgrant> But thanks.
[11:53] <jtv3> wgrant: yeah, hoping to graduate to divisions next week
[11:56] <wgrant> Um, guys, how much of Launchpad is actually going to be open by the time you get around to opening it?
[11:56] <wgrant> First it's all of it, then it's all except Soyuz, now it's all except Soyuz and Code...
[12:08] <frk2> hi all
[12:08] <frk2> i was wondering how LP does the 'commit/push' notification
[12:08] <frk2> i have established a 'shared repository' system myself and am trying to do it using bzr-email but it does not work
[12:16] <jtv2> frk2: you're right in that gap of the day where nobody from that team is available.  You could file a question for launchpad-bazaar.
[12:17] <frk2> i hear you
[12:18] <jtv> frk2: you can do that at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar
[12:18] <wgrant> jtv: Wouldn't that reveal some of 'Canonical's "secret sauce" in business areas that [you] care a lot about'?
[12:19] <elmo> wgrant: dude, why are you being snarky to random LP devs
[12:20] <jtv> wgrant: sorry, missed what you said earlier...  I can ask someone who's more directly connected with the source release to answer anything that's not publicly documented, if you like.  I have a vague memory of there being things we can't license to others, but emphasis on vague.  :)
[12:20] <elmo> wgrant: if you want to be snarky to someone, at least have the decency to address it to the folks making the decisions at that level
[12:20] <jtv> elmo: am I random?  :-)
[12:20] <wgrant> elmo: He's CHR, but you have a point.
[12:21] <elmo> jtv: in as much as you're not involved in code or have decision making power (AFAIK) in terms of the open-sourcing process, yeah.  no offence intended
[12:21] <jtv> elmo: none taken, naturally.  :)
[12:21] <elmo> (code.lp.net I mean, obviously)
[12:22] <wgrant> elmo: It hasn't been disclosed who is making these decisions.
[12:22] <wgrant> Just that you're releasing all of LP except not.
[12:24] <bigjools> it's amazing how stuff is opening up, yet there are still people complaining
[12:24] <jtv> bigjools: according to my high-school history classes, revolutions happen when things get better because expectations rise faster.  :-)
[12:25] <bigjools> jtv: some countries are measured in RPM
[12:25] <wgrant> bigjools: It is better than nothing, but it is not what we were told was happening.
[12:26] <elmo> wgrant: off hand, I don't actually know myself (since I'm not involved either), but I suspect your concerns would be much better addressed to Mark; he's clearly (and visibly) involved in the process
[12:26] <jtv> wgrant: may have been because of licensing details of third-party code we use.  That's what my vague memory says, but I don't follow the bulletins too closely either.
[12:26] <bigjools> wgrant: what were you told?
[12:27] <wgrant> bigjools: We were first told that it would all be open. We were then informed otherwise at UDS (with only Soyuz being withheld). Now today Code is gone too.
[12:27] <bigjools> wgrant: do you have a reference to the former?
[12:28] <wgrant> bigjools: The first? Probably not, but I'm fairly sure it was said somewhere.
[12:28] <wgrant> Oh yes, "Launchpad to be open source within 12 months"
[12:28] <wgrant> Not "Launchpad minus interesting bits"
[12:29] <bigjools> so I'm not sure what part of that thing that you are "fairly sure" about committed to be 100% open
[12:31] <wgrant> The original open sourcing within 12 months announcement mentioned Launchpad. It mentioned nothing about bits being unreleased. The only mention of that I can remember is on a really old version of the FAQ.
[12:32] <jtv> wgrant: an extra complication there is that that story was based on a verbal announcement, so hard to say how precise it was about those things.
[12:34] <wgrant> Perhaps.
[12:34] <wgrant> Are we likely to see any more bits removed?
[12:37] <jtv> wgrant: you're not talking to the decision-makers here, but I imagine if somebody came up with some last-minute licensing issue that meant we weren't allowed to release something...  Not likely, I think, but if you're asking for guarantees then I'll weasel out of it.  :-)
[13:33] <savvas> how do I get the latest actions of a user using launchpad API? like this: https://edge.launchpad.net/~medigeek/+karma
[13:34] <wgrant> savvas: You can't, at this stage.
[13:34] <wgrant> Bug #307454
[13:34] <savvas> :\
[13:34] <savvas> thanks
[13:34] <savvas> darn, I was so looking forward to automating my reports
[13:35] <savvas> *automate
[13:44] <hyperair> what does "Translations in Rosetta" refer to?
[13:44] <jtv> hyperair: in what context?
[13:44] <henninge> hyperair: "Rosetta" is the name of the application also known as "Launchpad Translations"
[13:44] <hyperair> eh nevermind
[13:45] <jtv> henninge: thanks :)
[13:45] <hyperair> i was looking at the wrong karma page
[13:45] <hyperair> heh
[13:45] <hyperair> i was wondering why that appeared on my karma page although i don't remember translating anything
[13:45] <hyperair> then i realized it wasn't mine
[13:47] <savvas> lol
[13:49] <jtv> hyperair: you thought it was from your previous life?
[13:49] <hyperair> jtv: perhaps, though it was a little too recent
[13:52] <jtv> hyperair: I'm not sure where you'd report "impossible date on pre-reincarnation identity" anyway.  :-)
[13:53] <hyperair> heheh
[13:55] <jtv> hyperair: you're laughing now, but it won't be so funny if you report a problem with reincarnation and the response is an attempt to reproduce the problem.  ;)
[13:56] <hyperair> i'll be laughing even harder then
[13:56] <jtv> hyperair: you, or your next incarnation...
[13:56] <hyperair> ouch
[13:57] <jtv> hyperair: see?  don't let anyone try to reproduce the problem without reading the fineprint, is what I'm saying.  :)
[13:59] <hyperair> X_x
[14:07] <bigjools> wgrant: thanks for yours and mok0's feedback on the priority list
[14:27] <vadi2> I think I found a small bug: https://launchpad.net/~ted-trufflesdad-deactivatedaccount-deactivatedaccount
[14:30] <jtv> vadi2: what's the bug?
[14:30] <vadi2> Well, he has "-deactivatedaccount" twice.
[14:31] <jtv> vadi2: I'll forward it, thanks
[14:31] <vadi2> k
[16:51] <mpt> I'm looking at a PPA and it's available for Hardy and Jaunty but not for Intrepid. Is this the choice of the PPA owner, or of Launchpad?
[16:51] <bigjools> mpt: the owner
[16:51] <mpt> thanks bigjools
[16:51] <bigjools> np
[17:20] <adiroiban> Hi, are there any limitation about how I could assign new administrators in a team what I don't own, but I'm already an administrator?
[17:22] <mrevell> adiroiban: Only the team owner - i.e. the original administrator - can add new admins
[17:23] <adiroiban> thanks
[17:23] <adiroiban> and the team owner can be changed?
[17:26] <mrevell> adiroiban: let me check with salgado -- hey, to change the owner of a team the original owner needs to step down as an admin, right?
[17:27] <salgado> mrevell, yes
[17:27] <mrevell> adiroiban: and then the next admin becomes the team owner
[17:28] <mrevell> thanks sal
[17:28] <mrevell> thanks salgado
[17:28] <salgado> no, that's not how it works
[17:28] <adiroiban> and if we have 4 admins ?
[17:28] <salgado> you have to explicitly change the owner
[17:29] <salgado> the owner is the only one who can do that
[17:29] <adiroiban> the owner can change the owner ?
[17:29] <adiroiban> without havint to spep down as an admin?
[17:29] <adiroiban> step
[17:29] <mrevell> Sorry that I confused matters
[17:30] <salgado> say I'm the owner of team X, I can reassign that team to somebody else
[17:30] <salgado> at that time I have to option to keep myself as an admin or as a normal member
[17:30] <adiroiban> ok. thanks salgado
[17:30] <adiroiban> mrevell: don't worry, thanks for your help
[18:39]  * hyperair has developed a one-liner command which will automatically add all PPA keys into the keyring =D
[18:39] <hyperair> grep ppa /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list | cut -f2- -d':' | egrep -v '^#' | sed -re 's/^deb(-src)*//' | cut -f2 -d' ' | sed -re 's|ppa.launchpad.net/(.*)/ubuntu|launchpad.net/~\1/+archive|' | sort | uniq |  xargs wget -qO- | egrep -o 'http://keyserver.ubuntu.com[^"]+' | sed -e 's/&/\&/' | ( while read line; do wget -qO- $line | sudo apt-key add -; done )
[18:39] <hyperair> not my fault if your terminal wraps it
[18:42] <hyperair> actually come to think of it the front part of the command could probably be simplified
[18:44] <maxb> fsvo "line" :-)
[18:44] <al-maisan> hyperair: very cool :)
[18:44] <hyperair> egrep -ho 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/.*ubuntu' /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list | sed -re 's|ppa.launchpad.net/(.*)/ubuntu|launchpad.net/~\1/+archive|' | sort | uniq |  xargs wget -qO- | egrep -o 'http://keyserver.ubuntu.com[^"]+' | sed -e 's/&/\&/' | ( while read line; do wget -qO- $line | sudo apt-key add -; done )
[18:44] <hyperair> there we go
[18:44] <hyperair> =p
[18:44] <hyperair> ...oh shit it's not working very well
[18:45] <hyperair> gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
[18:45] <hyperair> hmmmm
[18:45] <maxb> hyperair: unfortunately you have to remove the html surround from what you get from the keyserver
[18:46] <maxb> fortunately a simple egrep -v '^<' will suffice
[18:46] <hyperair> maxb: you don't
[18:46] <hyperair> i tried it with one of the URIs
[18:46] <maxb> oh. my gpg didn't seem to like it
[18:46] <hyperair> apt-key does
[18:46] <hyperair> i tried with just one
[18:59] <hyperair> egrep -ho 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/.*ubuntu' /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list | sort | uniq | sed -re 's|ppa.launchpad.net/(.*)/.*|launchpad.net/~\1/+archive|' | xargs wget -qO- | egrep -ho 'http://keyserver.ubuntu.com[^"]+' | sed -e 's/&.*$/\op=get/' | while read line; do wget -qO- $line | sudo apt-key add -; done
[19:00] <hyperair> i think this should work
[19:02] <hyperair> i think what would be really awesome is http://ppa.launchpad.net/~bla/key redirecting to the appropriate page
[19:03] <savvas> you really have that many PPAs? :P
[19:04] <hyperair> uh well i should have finished manually adding it by now
[19:04] <hyperair> xD
[19:04] <hyperair> but then again, somebody else might find it useful
[19:05] <hyperair> grep is being irritating
[19:05] <hyperair> it seems it outputs line by line if it detects a terminal, and otherwise, it doesn't output until it gets the whole input
[19:07] <hyperair> aha
[19:07] <hyperair> i found out what's wrong
[19:07] <hyperair> \op=get
[19:08] <hyperair> should be \&op=get
[19:25] <hyperair> egrep -ho 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/.*ubuntu' /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list | sort | uniq | sed -re 's|ppa.launchpad.net/(.*)/.*|launchpad.net/~\1/+archive|' | xargs wget -qO- | egrep -ho 'http://keyserver.ubuntu.com[^"]+' | sed -e 's/&.*$/\&op=get/' | while read line; do wget -qO- $line | sudo apt-key add -; done
[19:25] <hyperair> finally one that works
[19:58] <enkrates794> hyperair: I didn't try your script, but thanks for teaching me about apt-key! I think I've got all the keys for the PPA's I use.
[19:59] <hyperair> enkrates794: np
[21:59] <garyvdm> Hi - Is it possible to set that one bug depends upon another like in bugzilla?
[22:00] <mwhudson> nope
[22:00] <mwhudson> there is a bug about this i think
[22:01] <garyvdm> Ok - I'll just make comments in both bugs.
[22:04] <wgrant> mwhudson: I thought that it had been discussed and shot down by LP people multiple times, much to our disgust.
[22:04] <mwhudson> wgrant: it's possible
[22:05] <garyvdm> wgrant: what was the reasoning?
[22:05] <wgrant> garyvdm: I do not know. At first it was issues with the semantics.


[03:52] <braziercustoms> Ubuntu 16.04  cojure-up. I keep getting failure when it gets to glance..  I have searched and cannot find a solution anywhere. http://paste.ubuntu.com/25287893/
[10:59] <ak_dev> kjackal: kjackal_ : https://jujucharms.com/u/aakashkt/kubernetes-ovn/
[10:59] <ak_dev> Thanks for all your help :-)
[10:59] <ak_dev> oh yeah, do tell me how I can fix the diagram on that page
[11:25] <kjackal_> hi ak_dev to fix the diagram you will need to specify the exact position of each service in the graph. This is done in an annotations section in bundle.yaml. Have alook here: https://api.jujucharms.com/charmstore/v5/canonical-kubernetes/archive/bundle.yaml
[11:30] <magicaltrout> hey kjackal_ i've not had time to delve back into it yet
[11:30] <magicaltrout> but i did notice https://docs.google.com/document/d/1z55a7tLZFoRWVuUxz1FZwgxkHeugtc2nHR89skFXSpU/edit# lxc hit the mesos working group roadmap
[11:33] <kjackal_> Wow! This is awesome magicaltrout. Not sure what the timetebale for that is. What does "it is in our roadmap" mean?
[11:35] <kjackal_> I see it is probably towards the end of the year
[11:36] <magicaltrout> they have a bunch of volunteers on the working group meetings, I doubt LXC comes anywhere high up the list of important stuff, but at least it got added
[11:36] <magicaltrout> I'll swing by one of those meetings at some point to delve further
[11:42] <kjackal_> magicaltrout: just pinged this student that is interested in working on this. Lets see if he is going to come forward and volunteer
[11:42] <magicaltrout> cool, i should have some bandwidth from late september going forward
[11:42] <magicaltrout> to help
[12:09] <magicaltrout> you gonna be in NYC kjackal_ ?
[12:15] <kjackal_> magicaltrout: yeap I will be seeing you there!
[12:16] <magicaltrout> cool
[13:56] <ak_dev> kjackal_: hey, thanks, will have a look at it
[13:56] <ak_dev> kjackal_: the connection are done the same way? via annotations?
[14:03] <kjackal_> ak_dev: the connations are infered by the relations among charms
[14:45] <ak_dev> kjackal_: oh
[14:45] <braziercustoms> (braziercustoms) Ubuntu 16.04  cojure-up. I keep getting failure when it gets to glance..  fails to get charm from charm store....  see error  http://paste.ubuntu.com/25287893/
[14:46] <ak_dev> kjackal_: it does not seem to take up right relations then, since it is way different than what is shown
[14:47] <kjackal_> ak_dev: It could be that some lines overlap
[14:58] <braziercustoms> Anyone can help at all? I'm kinda new to this and want to understand better but I can't get it to work properly.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/25287893/
[16:04] <ak_dev> kjackal_: thanks, its done now :-)
[16:50] <rahworkx> notice an issue when removing a user on version 2.2.2.. after i remove user and attempt to add the exact same username it fails with message "ERROR failed to create user: username unavailable"
[20:48] <stokachu> cory_fu: braziercustoms is running into http://paste.ubuntu.com/25287893/
[20:50] <stokachu> braziercustoms: can you `pastebinit ~/.local/share/juju/bootstrap-config.yaml`
[20:51] <cory_fu> braziercustoms: Is outbound network access from the openstack-novalxd deployment restricted?  Specifically, it looks like the controller can't connect to api.jujucharms.com.
[20:53] <braziercustoms> @stokatchu sure @cory_fu it started with fresh ubuntu install.  I installed xubuntu desktop and openssh.  The only things I changed before conjure-up was gave the machine a static up on my network.
[20:58] <braziercustoms1> @stokachu http://paste.ubuntu.com/25292705/
[21:00] <stokachu> braziercustoms1: is this for all charms or just a few of them?
[21:01] <braziercustoms1> @stokachu It lists a different charm each time I try to conjure-up
[21:05] <cory_fu> I imagine it's just reporting the first one it happens to try to deploy, with the order being undertermined
[21:07] <braziercustoms> @cory_fu that's what I was thinking.. but I will say if you don't quit when it pops up the install appears to go on and I end up with running machines
[21:07] <cory_fu> Very strange
[21:07] <cory_fu> stokachu: Is it possible that there's some delay before the lxd bridge is ready?
[21:08] <stokachu> yea it's possible
[21:19] <braziercustoms> @cory_fu @stokachu am I the only one with this problem? Why me?  Is it my hardware? I'm playing on a dell poweredge 6950.  16 cores 64GB ram. SAS drives..
[21:19] <stokachu> that error is not related to hardware
[21:21] <stokachu> braziercustoms: i dont really have an answer as to why this is happening atm, i would need to do some more digging
[21:22] <braziercustoms> @stokachu anything I can do to help?
[21:22] <stokachu> braziercustoms: i guess open an issue at https://github.com/conjure-up/conjure-up/issues/new and make sure to provide the data requested in the template
[21:22] <stokachu> so i can try to reproduce
[21:28] <braziercustoms> @stokachu ok.
[23:02] <aisrael> Hey, anyone run into an issue where packages in wheelhouse/ aren't being installed by a reactive charm? End result is hook/install fails because charmhelpers isn't installed.
[23:19] <BrazierCustoms> @stokachu I think its a complete issue with the bridge. I just tried the --edge version and it asked which interface to create the bridge for and the release version did not..
[23:19] <BrazierCustoms> so maybe the release version never created the bridge?


[14:02] <Culiforge> could anyone assist me with myth not recognizing .iso properly in the video directory?
[14:05] <Culiforge> I put iso in var/lib/mythtv/video, it recognizes it as a movie but shows it as 0 length and will not play or retrieve any metadata
[19:13] <jep200404> See http://colug.net/~jep/Pictures/ What causes vertical stripes in display of HD video? (1920x1080 & 1280x720 striped; 704x480 shows OK). Xine plays file with no problem. Stripes appear only with MythTV frontend (in Mythbuntu 11.10)
[19:13] <Zinn> [colug.net] Mythbuntu Screen Shots
[22:20] <Patrickdk> jep200404, seems like lack of signal to me
[22:22] <dekarl> at least mythtv cuts of the lins 1081 to 1088 which only contain junk ;)
[22:22] <jep200404> When I watch the saved *.mpg file with xine, it looks fine. See http://colug.net/~jep/Pictures/1_002.png
[22:22] <Zinn> [colug.net] N/A
[22:23] <dekarl> jep200404: is HD endoced in H.264 and SD in MPEG2?
[22:23] <dekarl> anyway might get better response over in #mythtv-users
[22:24] <jep200404> dekarl: The file_name_ ends with .mpg. I never thought to ask for details about encoding.
[22:24] <dekarl> what is your playback profile? something that handles HD and SD differently?
[22:24] <jep200404> My playback profile is whatever the default is.
[22:25] <dekarl> the ".mpg" gets slapped on anything not NuppelVideo by mythtv. be it MPEG-TS (usually called .ts) or MPEG-PS (usually calles .mpg or .vob, etc)
[22:25] <jep200404> What utility do you trust to reveal such details of a video file?
[22:27] <dekarl> mythffmpeg -i <filename>
[22:28] <dekarl> or just plain ffmpeg if that isnt installed yet on your version of mythtv
[22:29] <jep200404> Thanks, I'll try them.
[22:32] <dekarl> you'll likely be asked for mythfrontend and xine logs when you come over to #mythtv-users (to see if xine uses hardware or software decode, etc.)
[22:34] <jep200404> OK


[00:22] <Unit193> seronis: Is it in Debian by chance?
[00:36] <seronis> Unit193, i dont know how to check random repos that arent already in the package managers settingbs
[00:37] <seronis> but its probably a non-issue.  I only reinstalled from win7 to xubuntu today and noticed the new version but i guess its REALLY new and isnt likely to be anywhere
[00:38] <seronis> im installing from source
[01:31] <skellat> And the release schedule for milestones is up: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/ReleaseSchedule
[05:08] <Unit193> Reminder about a meeting the 2nd of May! - http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20130502T15
[08:31] <Noskcaj> Unit193, Does the meeting time ever change? it has to be after 2000 UTC for me to attend
[08:51] <Unit193> Recently it's been this.
[08:56] <Unit193> I'll be reading scrollback of the meeting. :)
[08:59] <lderan> i'll be "working" during the meeting :P
[09:58] <Noskcaj> can some more people add testimonials to wiki.ubuntu.com/Noskcaj ?
[10:04] <Noskcaj> elfy, ^
[10:06] <Noskcaj> i'm going for membership tomorrow
[10:17] <bluesabre> I should try to do that soon
[10:17] <bluesabre> *again
[10:18] <smartboyhw> bluesabre: You failed?
[10:18] <bluesabre> yeah, not enough sustained contribution last time
[10:18] <smartboyhw> bluesabre: :(
[10:18] <smartboyhw> You should have now
[10:18] <bluesabre> I would hope so
[10:18] <bluesabre> :D
[10:21] <smartboyhw> bluesabre: :D
[10:30] <elfy> I know it was possibly 3 years or so before I went for it
[10:32] <smartboyhw> elfy: Heh some people never ran:)
[10:47] <smartboyhw> So, who of you people will attend the meeting today? :P (just asking)
[11:41] <knome> being a pit nitpicky, but we should s/XFCE/Xfce/ at http://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/derivatives
[13:32] <GridCube> whats the ETA for the meeting?
[13:33] <smartboyhw_> GridCube: 1:28 hours later
[13:33] <GridCube> ok :)
[14:31] <smartboyhw> Meeting in 30 minutes!
[14:32]  * smartboyhw is willing to see the results
[14:50] <smartboyhw> skellat, knome: How will the results be announced?
[14:51] <skellat> smartboyhw: Once the poll closes, the LP page for the poll will give the result
[14:51] <skellat> And I presume we'll discuss it in the meeting
[14:52] <skellat> smartboyhw: This is what a results page would look like, for example: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-us-ohio/+poll/active--2013-04-12
[14:53] <elfy> skellat: afaik that's what the meeting is for
[14:56] <skellat> 4 minutes or so until meeting time
[14:57] <smartboyhw> Yep
[14:58]  * smartboyhw will refresh the page once his phone reaches 23:00
[14:58] <smartboyhw> A.K.A. 15:00 UTC
[15:00] <smartboyhw> Congrats knome!!!!!
[15:00] <smartboyhw> The results are out now;)
[15:01] <elfy> you just don't stop do you
[15:01] <maddernick> yes, gz knome
[15:01] <smartboyhw> lol
[15:01] <smartboyhw> elfy: Stop what?
[15:03]  * maddernick looks around
[15:04] <micahg-work> hrm, 3% vote turnout
[15:04] <GridCube> :)
[15:05] <smartboyhw> :)
[15:05] <lderan> :P
[15:06] <genii-around> 3% is probably 2% more than most elections...
[15:06] <micahg-work> personally, I think xubuntu-team should've been the electing body (- ubuntu-core-dev)
[15:06]  * skellat notes that what Howard Chan was referring to can be seen here: https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-users/+poll/xubuntu-xpl-2013/
[15:06] <maddernick> agreed
[15:07] <smartboyhw> I might be the only non ~xubuntu-team voter :P
[15:08] <elfy> shouldn't have been able to then
[15:08] <smartboyhw> No worries, I have KC election to be headache aboyt.
[15:08] <skellat> As long as you were ~xubuntu--users you could vote.
[15:08] <smartboyhw> *about
[15:09] <micahg-work> elfy, you're in xubuntu-team
[15:09] <elfy> I know :)
[15:09] <micahg-work> oh, you were referring to smartboyhw
[15:09] <elfy> yea lol
[15:09] <smartboyhw> micahg-work: LOL
[15:09] <elfy> but heyho
[15:10] <skellat> Where is knome?
[15:10] <smartboyhw> …
[15:12] <drc> took the treasury and left?
[15:12] <smartboyhw> ROFL
[15:12] <skellat> drc: Mothballs are currency now?
[15:13] <drc> In Motheria, yes
[15:13] <smartboyhw> skellat: Everything can be a currency (like in ancient times) :P
[15:14] <elfy> debt seems the be the current global currency
[15:14]  * smartboyhw +1s elfy
[15:14] <drc> He's probably taking the concession phone call form Noskcaj
[15:14] <smartboyhw> lol
[15:14] <smartboyhw> drc: Noskcaj is presumably asleep
[15:15] <smartboyhw> It's early 1-3 AM there
[15:21] <GridCube> so... meeting?
[15:21] <drc> Without Our Dearest Leader?
[15:21] <smartboyhw> GridCube: knome needs to be here......
[15:22] <micahg-work> nah, but I'm in no position to run a meeting
[15:24] <maddernick> might be useful to announce winner in meeting logs
[15:24] <maddernick> start -> winner -> end
[15:27] <elfy> need to "community meetings will start after that once the elected project lead sets a schedule." as well
[15:27] <GridCube> yep well
[15:28]  * skellat has to head out to The Farm so he's going to have to miss the meeting now
[15:46] <GridCube> :/
[15:47] <smartboyhw> Eh
[16:18] <knome> o
[16:18] <knome> well, i'm sorry i wasn't available earlier, i was talking about xubuntu in a linux event
[16:19] <knome> got to know about the results during a Q&A -session about (x)ubuntu, is there a better way to find out? :P
[16:19] <drc> That's all right, we met anyway and voted you Dear Leader For Life...all the work now belongs to you :)
[16:20] <knome> micahg-work, i couldn't agree more (re: xubuntu-team as the electing body)
[16:20] <knome> heh, thanks thanks
[16:21] <knome> gosh i'm tired and wet.
[16:21] <knome> it wasn't too cool at times at the event
[16:28] <elfy> wb boss
[16:29] <knome> heh, ta ta
[16:36] <lderan> woo for knome
[16:36]  * knome bows
[16:37] <elfy> knome: so - scheduling team meets :)
[16:37] <knome> elfy, yes... i will probably look at that tomorrow
[16:37] <knome> and then take a week off FOSS
[16:39] <elfy> :)
[16:39] <lderan> :)
[16:40] <seronis> new here and dont even know what you got elected leader OF.. but anyone whose first job as leader is to declare a vacation cant be all bad in my book
[16:41] <knome> seronis, xubuntu project lead, eg. the dictator of all xubuntu issues :P
[16:41] <knome> beginning of the cycle is the best spot to have time off though
[16:41] <lderan> makes sense
[16:45] <seronis> jokes aside I completely agree.  yesterday I had asked who to talk to or where to go to suggest getting either a new package added to the repos, or an updated version of a package.  i was referred to the sponsorship page but reading over that looks like its referring to submitting patches, not suggesting software
[16:45] <knome> seronis, i'd imagine the same process applies to new software as well
[17:22] <micahg-work> seronis, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages
[17:22] <seronis> micahg-work,  thank you
[19:51] <Noskcaj> Is anyone online able to add a testimonial to wiki.ubuntu.com/Noskcaj ? my membership meeting is soon
[19:58] <elfy> Noskcaj: I've not known you long enough to do it - nothing personal, but I don't just add my name
[19:59] <Noskcaj> elfy, ok.
[22:10] <Noskcaj> skellat, thanks for the membership testimonial, i hadn't realized you had wrote one


[00:17] <riba1> hi guys,
[00:17] <riba1> where do I make compiz active ?
[00:18] <riba1> default is instaled after I enabled nvidia
[00:20] <riba1> also, emerald themes does not work
[03:48] <LinuxID10T> Any one here
[03:48] <LinuxID10T> Really is anyone here
[05:33] <infbliss> is there a way to install kde in a xubuntu system
[06:31] <jmichaelx> i have xubuntu installed on an old AMD K6-2 256MB, but it seems fairly sluggish. in your opinion, would slackware possibly run better on this machine, or should i stick with xubuntu?
[06:46] <maxamillion> jmichaelx: technically slackware would be a bit faster, but you will lose a large amount of features (the main one would be a package manager)
[06:47] <maxamillion> jmichaelx: you could check out fluxbuntu, its a full featured desktop targeted at being as efficient as possible
[06:47] <maxamillion> jmichaelx: its normally recommended for low end hardware (though not limited to low end hardware)
[06:48] <jmichaelx> maxamillion: ty, i appreciate the suggestion while i am weighing options
[06:48] <maxamillion> jmichaelx: hop over to #fluxbuntu for more info
[06:49] <maxamillion> jmichaelx: i hang out there too ... and the core developer is in the channel at the moment, prime time for questions if you have any :)
[06:49] <jmichaelx> maxamillion: ty i am there
[10:11] <mindframe_> is there a plugin that will monitor load for both cores of a dual core cpu?
[10:17] <TheSheep> mindframe_: load of core?
[10:18] <mindframe_> like a gui for top
[10:18] <mindframe_> CPU load
[10:18] <mindframe_> percentage meter
[10:18] <TheSheep> mindframe_: the system monitor shows you the cpu load
[10:18] <TheSheep> mindframe_: system monitor plugin
[10:18] <mindframe_> not for both cores :)
[10:19] <TheSheep> mindframe_: for both -- summed
[10:19] <mindframe_> ah i was looking for individual stats
[10:19] <mindframe_> im using the cpu graph plugin now
[10:19] <mindframe_> guess it'll have to do
[10:25] <TheSheep> mindframe_: there are the veraious cpuinfo, governor, etc. plugins
[10:25] <TheSheep> mindframe_: but none looks usable
[10:29] <mindframe_> do you know where the boot splash image is defined?  i tried out kubuntu but uninstalled it and now the kubuntu splash image is still showing up during boot
[10:50] <TheSheep> mindframe_: it's recorded in your initrd
[10:52] <TheSheep> mindframe_: to change it, run update-alternatives to select the splash you want, and then rebuild the initrd with 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)'
[12:36] <sugardrunk> is it 2012 already?
[12:49] <TheSheep> sugardrunk: no, come back in 4 years
[12:54] <sugardrunk> TheSheep, oh thanks
[14:30] <sprauekraut> Hello, I am having a problem with burning audio cds with mp3s using brasero.  Would anyone like to help?
[14:45] <TheSheep> !anyone | sprauekraut
[14:45] <ubotu> sprauekraut: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[14:46] <TheSheep> sprauekraut: can you be a little more specific?
[14:50] <sprauekraut> yeah
[14:50] <sprauekraut> sorry
[14:50] <sprauekraut> okay here we go
[14:51] <sprauekraut> so when i add an mp3 file to an audio cd project in brasero, i get an error that says that gstreamer can't read the mp3 file....it says i should ensure that the proper codecs are installed
[14:52] <sprauekraut> i have installed the gstreamer ugly plugins
[14:52] <sprauekraut> and I have insalled the w32codecs from the mediabuntu repo
[14:52] <sprauekraut> i am able to play the same mp3 file in xmms, so I know mp3 playback is supported
"01 - Llama - Phish.mp3" can't be handled by gstreamer: Make sure the appropriate codec is installed.</error>
[14:54] <TheSheep> sprauekraut: well, do what it says
[14:55] <sprauekraut> wow incredibly helpful
[14:55] <sprauekraut> i would have never though
[14:55] <TheSheep> sprauekraut: make sure you have the fluendo-mp3 or ffmpeg codecs installed
[14:55] <sprauekraut> k
[14:55] <TheSheep> !attitude
[14:55] <ubotu> The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[14:56] <sprauekraut> !attitude
[14:56] <sprauekraut> Here's the thing TheSheep, i wouldn't give you attitude if i wasn't given it
[14:57] <TheSheep> sprauekraut: do you have the packages installed?
[14:57] <sprauekraut> gettin there
[14:58] <sprauekraut> installed both you suggested and still no dice
[14:59] <TheSheep> sprauekraut: so you didn't have them installed?
[14:59] <sprauekraut> correct
[15:01] <TheSheep> sprauekraut: do you have the -mad plugin?
[15:01] <TheSheep> sprauekraut: check if you have the file /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstmad.so
[15:02] <sprauekraut> yes i have that lib
[15:03]  * TheSheep scratches his head
[15:05] <sprauekraut> xubuntu 7.10 if that helps
[15:08] <sprauekraut> anyways, gotta get running.  Thanks for your help so far, even with my attitude.  We can pick this up later.  See ya :)
[15:09] <jasper> Good afternoon
[15:53] <Freewith> Hi. My system makes a system bell sound 5 or 6 times everytime I get to the logon screen or issue a shutdown. Anyone know what's wrong?
[15:53] <mindoverflow> hello
[15:54] <mindoverflow> i got a little problem with xubuntu gutsy
[15:54] <mindoverflow> same with ubuntu
[15:54] <mindoverflow> well, i have to hard disks
[15:54] <mindoverflow> when i try to run xubuntu from the live cd
[15:55] <mindoverflow> it stops at the busybox
[15:55] <mindoverflow> with the modprobe abnormal end
[15:55] <mindoverflow> what i did is i unplugged my first hardisk
[15:56] <mindoverflow> then it booted correctly
[15:56] <mindoverflow> i even installed it
[15:56] <mindoverflow> but once i replug the second drive, and boot from the installed partition
[15:56] <mindoverflow> the problem reappears again
[15:56] <mindoverflow> anyone got an idea please ?
[15:57] <mindoverflow> i'm running it on a p3 700mhz 256m of ram
[15:59] <mindoverflow> 2 ide disks the first of 20g partitionned to 6 partiotions
[15:59] <mindoverflow> and an other ides of 80 g
[15:59] <mindoverflow> a logical partition, the ex3 and the swap
[16:16] <pppp> algum help em portugues
[16:17] <pppp> ;j #ubuntu
[16:23] <nikin> hy
[16:25] <nikin> is this the right forum to discuss eeeXubuntu?
[17:01] <TheSheep> nikolam: not really, but large number of questions may be relevant
[17:01] <TheSheep> nikolam: sorry
[17:01] <TheSheep> bah, he left
[17:01] <nikolam> :)
[17:02] <nikolam> i`m here
[17:04] <TheSheep> but nikin left
[17:04] <nikolam> ah,
[17:04] <nikolam> when we are here..
[17:05] <nikolam> My X locks itself every time I logout and restart X. Processes stays (music plays etc) but keyboard is locked..
[17:05] <nikolam> I use 690g ati integrated graphics, latest ati owned drivers and xubuntu 64-bit
[17:06] <nikolam> maybe i should revert to older ati drivers? (hibernation does not work with them
[17:07] <TheSheep> nikolam: I found something that could help you find out what is going on, in 'man xorg', look for the definition of        Ctrl+Alt+Keypad-Multiply
[17:08] <nikolam> mmm keyboard froze itself.. neither numlock works..
[17:09] <TheSheep> nikolam: have you looked at the bug reports? maybe there is a workaround...
[17:10] <TheSheep> nikolam: I had something similar with nvidia, disabling agp helped then
[17:10] <nikolam> Yes, I think that the best workaround is NOT to use ATI products at all..
[17:11] <mindoverflow> hi, could anybody help me with my boot problem ??
[17:11] <nikolam> Its binary driver after all..
[17:11] <nikolam> mindframe, shoot
[17:11] <TheSheep> hehe
[17:11] <TheSheep> missed
[17:12] <nikolam> :)
[17:12] <mindoverflow> the system wount boot up even with the live cd it stops at the busybox with  an abnormal modprobe exit
[17:13] <mindoverflow> it's due to hard disks, cuz i have  2 and as i unplug one of'em everything goes fine
[17:13] <mindoverflow> then, any clue ???
[17:13] <nikolam> maybe you need to adjust boot order of disks in your computer BIOS
[17:13] <mindoverflow> i forgot, it's a p3 with 2 ide drives
[17:13] <mindoverflow> nah
[17:14] <mindoverflow> the grub loads
[17:14] <mindoverflow> but the problem is when initiating the drivers
[17:14] <nikolam> Also, if you dont`want/cant adjust it in bios, you can install grub boot manager on other HDD and boot to current linux on another
[17:14] <mindoverflow> but there is nothing related to boot order
[17:15] <nikolam> drivers? You were just saying you cannot boot when you add second hdd
[17:15] <mindoverflow> cuz i could switch to whatever i want
[17:15] <mindoverflow> and i think i know how to deal with those stuff
[17:15] <mindoverflow> yes, i mean the boat loader loads
[17:15] <mindoverflow> then here, we're already done with the boot order
[17:16] <mindoverflow> as the xubunto logo appears
[17:16] <mindoverflow> a few moments later
[17:16] <mindoverflow> it says  that there was an abnormal exit of modprobe
[17:16] <nikolam> look at the /boot/grub/manu.lst and /boot/grub/device.map
[17:16] <mindoverflow> and i get the the initramfs shell
[17:17] <TheSheep> mindoverflow: can you remove the 'quiet' option from the kernel boot options (you can do it when in grub by pressing 'e') and see what it says?
[17:17] <mindoverflow> not that too
[17:17] <mindoverflow> i tell you that some of the drivers loads
[17:17] <mindoverflow> then nothing related to grub settings
[17:17] <mindoverflow> i didn't try to remove the quiet option
[17:17] <TheSheep> mindoverflow: if you remove the 'quiet' option, you will be able to see what exactly fails
[17:18] <mindoverflow> ok, ill be traying it
[17:18] <mindoverflow> and i'l be back in a while
[17:18] <mindoverflow> thank you
[17:18] <nikolam> I have 2 hdd`s on sata. I boot from first but i have 2 /boot partitions on both drives (since i use raid1 on second partitions) I installeed grub on second drive with grub-install and copied all data from first /boot to second. All is fine.
[17:35] <mindoverflow> well, i'm back
[17:36] <mindoverflow> employing the noisy option
[17:36] <mindoverflow> it stops at
[17:37] <mindoverflow> alert! /dev/disk/...ef60.... doesn't exist dropping to shell
[17:38] <mindoverflow> well, maybe this cuz i installed xubuntu plugging only one drive and know i'm booting with 2 disks
[17:39] <mindoverflow> but before there is the udev-event[2086] modprobe abnormal exit
[17:39] <mindoverflow> the same as i get when loading the live cd
[17:41] <Yashy> Is anyone aware of an issue on gutsy amd64 where the usb keyboard and/or mouse lock up after some uptime?
[17:42] <Yashy> Also, it seems around every 3rd boot I have a fan (HDD? GPU?) running 100% (noisy). Right now it's quiet though.
[17:43] <TheSheep> mindoverflow: edit your /etc/fstab and use somethng like /dev/sda1 instead of UUID
[17:43] <mindoverflow> ok, i'll try
[17:44] <mindoverflow> but what about the udev event 2086
[17:44] <TheSheep> mindoverflow: and same with the root= option for the kernel in your /boot/grub/menu.lst
[17:44] <TheSheep> mindoverflow: no idea, you might want to google for it
[17:44] <mindoverflow> cuz it's this one that i'm getting when loading from the live cd
[17:44] <mindoverflow> that's what i'm doing :)
[17:45] <mindoverflow> cuz the disk not found is an error that happens only from my installed system
[17:45] <mindoverflow> but prior to this i was getting the modprobe problem
[17:45] <mindoverflow> the thing that i'm still getting but it's being ignored and stops at the final alert
[17:48] <philphoto> having problems with usb, any help?
[17:49] <mindoverflow> TheSheep: how would the fstab become ?
[17:49] <mindoverflow> actually it's
[17:49] <mindoverflow> UUID=ef608042-9080-43ef-96ea-47a980d5671a /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[17:53] <mindoverflow> that way probabely
[17:53] <mindoverflow> /dev/hdb2 /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[17:57] <mindoverflow> ok, gona replug the other disk, and retry
[17:57] <mindoverflow> i'll be back
[18:09] <mindoverflow> back
[18:09] <mindoverflow> TheSheep: not yet
[18:09] <mindoverflow> an other problem i forgot to tell you about wich is
[18:10] <mindoverflow> check root=bootarg car /proc/cmdline
[18:10] <mindoverflow> i'm gona try to fix it
[18:10] <mindoverflow> and missing  modules, device cat /proc/modules
[18:11] <mindoverflow> is there any module i got to look for it or include it ??
[18:18] <TheSheep> mindoverflow: is there anything in /proc at all?
[18:18] <TheSheep> mindoverflow: if not, do: mount /proc
[18:19] <crewe> hey does anyone here have a SAA7130 TV tuner card?
[18:19] <TheSheep> !anyone | crewe
[18:19] <ubotu> crewe: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[18:20] <crewe> I guess you're right, well I'm just trying to get it to work
[18:21] <crewe> it's detected, I just cant get it to work with any tv tuner program
[18:21] <TheSheep> crewe: any error message?
[18:21] <crewe> nope
[18:21] <mindoverflow> TheSheep: yes, /proc/cmdline contain the uuid
[18:21] <TheSheep> crewe: try running these programs from a terminal
[18:21] <crewe> right now I'm trying tvtime
[18:21] <mindoverflow> and /modules have some drivers there
[18:22] <mindoverflow> but how could i edit cmdline
[18:22] <mindoverflow> i tryed gedit but it seems to be empty
[18:22] <TheSheep> mindoverflow: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[18:22] <mindoverflow> but with cat it displays that line
[18:22] <mindoverflow> ok
[18:22] <TheSheep> cmdline is read-only
[18:22] <TheSheep> it's not a real file
[18:22] <crewe> no error from command line
[18:23] <TheSheep> crewe: how about dmesg?
[18:24] <crewe> what is that, I've been told to use that before but I don't know what to look for
[18:24] <TheSheep> crewe: just type 'dmesg' in terminal
[18:24] <crewe> I did
[18:24] <TheSheep> crewe: preferably dmesg | less
[18:24] <TheSheep> so that you can scroll it
[18:25] <crewe> yeah, but I still dont' know what I'm looking for
[18:25] <TheSheep> the most recent messages are at the bottom
[18:25] <TheSheep> these are various system messages, mostly from kernel and kernel modules
[18:25] <TheSheep> you can see if you device was detected, and whether the corresponding kernel modules gave any errors about it
[18:25] <crewe> I'm seeing a lot of Ethernet stuff
[18:26] <TheSheep> like?
[18:27] <crewe> dropped somethier or the other on eth1
[18:28] <mindoverflow> TheSheep: would this be correct ??
[18:28] <mindoverflow> kernel		/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.22-14-generic root=/dev/hdb2 ro quiet splash
[18:28] <TheSheep> mindoverflow: yes, maybe remove that quiet too
[18:28] <mindoverflow> ok
[18:29] <mindoverflow> gona try again
[18:29] <TheSheep> mindoverflow: best copy whole entry and leave one unedited
[18:29] <TheSheep> ah
[18:30] <crewe> [16408.626674] DROPPED IN=eth1 OUT= MAC=00:~:00 SRC=<IP_ADDRESS> DST=<IP_ADDRESS> LEN=115 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=255 ID=7578 PROTO=UDP SPT=5353 DPT=5353 LEN=95
[18:30] <crewe> I see that a lot
[18:30] <TheSheep> crewe: those are logs from your firewall
[18:31] <TheSheep> crewe: it's blocking some packets
[18:31] <crewe> okay, figured, but other than that, nothing in particular
[18:31] <TheSheep> crewe: I guess you already searched the forums?
[18:32] <crewe> nothing comes up, well nothing relavant
[18:32] <TheSheep> crewe: you can also ask at #ubuntu, this is a general enough thing and it has much more people
[18:33] <crewe> whoa, never thought of that, I was in #ubuntuforums
[18:55] <mindoverflow> TheSheep: no progress at all
[18:55] <mindoverflow> :)
[18:56] <mindoverflow> and i noticed that no partition is mounted
[18:57] <philphoto> I've got a problem with usb:  usbdevfs doesn't exist
[18:57] <philphoto> any help?
[18:57] <mindoverflow> how could i know wich module did fail in loading ?
[19:07] <TheSheep> mindoverflow: see dmesg
[19:09] <mindoverflow> dmesg doesn't function if i remember well
[19:12] <mindoverflow> i'll be trying
[19:12] <mindoverflow> thanks anyway
[19:48] <whyking_> hi
[19:48] <whyking_> at some point in time flash stopped working on my opera.. still works with firefox though.. no error msg, plugin is available and no error msg, the just don't start
[19:51] <LetsGo67> When I hold down the direction key, it acts as if I pressed the key and released it.  This is really frustrating.  Can someone help please?
[19:53] <LetsGo67> When I hold down the direction key, it acts as if I pressed the key and released it.  This is really frustrating.  Can someone help please?
[19:54] <LetsGo67> When I hold down the direction key, it acts as if I pressed the key and released it.  This is really frustrating.  Can someone help please?
[20:28] <artur_> About the Xubuntu CD,what is the difference between the Live CD Desktop and Live CD Alternate. Why the first needs a computer with more RAM, while the second needs less RAM?
[20:28] <TheSheep> artur_: alternate is not a live cd
[20:28] <artur_> so, just to install
[20:28] <TheSheep> artur_: it only has the installer, not a complete working system
[20:28] <TheSheep> artur_: but it's fater and needs less ram
[20:29] <TheSheep> faster
[20:29] <TheSheep> both install exactly the same thing
[20:29] <artur_> TheSheep: Nice. Could i install in a about 500Mhz computer ?
[20:30] <artur_> I'd install with the alternate...
[20:32] <TheSheep> artur_: there is no requirement about the cpu speed, but it gets completely unusuable around pentium 200
[20:32] <TheSheep> artur_: I guess 500Mhz is pretty good
[20:33] <TheSheep> (not unusable as in "doesn't work", unusable as in "it's so slow I think I'll break it into pieces!")
[20:33] <artur_> TheSheep: Thank`s very much! ;)
[20:53] <Fellbuendel> moin
[20:54] <neosix> hello! Can anybody tell how can I set single click for desktop icons in Xubuntu?
[20:56] <TheSheep> neosix: not possible
[20:58] <crewe> how do I use the 'insmod' command to change a variable for my tv tuner card
[22:31] <SchwarzeKrause> Hi, all. Is there any service that would allow me to see the versions of packages currently in Xubuntu's repos? Just like Debian's package db
[22:31] <SchwarzeKrause> I mean, I don't have a Xubuntu installed anywhere at the moment
[23:51] <Indiadev_Techie> Hi evryone here !!!
[23:51] <Indiadev_Techie> evryone sleepin !!!


[09:15] <kwwii> good morning
[09:22] <knome> morning
[09:27] <mac_v> kwwii: hi... what new with the NM icons? any naming change?
[09:27] <mac_v> whats*
[09:31] <kwwii> mac_v: erm, you mean the ones in the panel?
[09:32] <mac_v> kwwii: i think so , yeah , wasnt that the one you were discussing with asac? i had asked him a few days ago and he had said NM will be using fewer icons
[09:33] <mac_v> no idle , send-receive , transmit
[09:38] <kwwii> mac_v: right, I just sent him a lock and a bubble like icon for the menu of nm
[09:38] <kwwii> currently nm is totally messed up on my machine
[09:39] <mac_v> hmm... ok , then i'll wait for the Human theme update ;)
[09:40] <kwwii> yeah
[09:40] <kwwii> last night I also fixed the naming on the xdg user dir icons
[09:40] <kwwii> so there will be an update soon
[09:41] <mac_v> kwwii: where is the xdg name guidelines page? not the lp bug , but any other gnome site?
[09:43] <mac_v>  but *is there* any
[10:08] <kwwii> mac_v: yes, at freedesktop.org
[10:09]  * kwwii co-maintains the naming spec
[10:09] <mac_v> ;)
[10:09]  * mac_v somehow cant find it :(
[10:22] <kwwii> sorry, I was in a meeting, let me find a link
[10:23] <kwwii> http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/icon-naming-spec
[10:29] <mac_v> awesome , thankx , i'v been looking for that for so long :)
[10:30] <kwwii> ask and ye shall recieve ;)
[12:19] <thorwil> this fits the spirit of ubuntu really well! :)  http://www.flickr.com/photos/arghmonkey/2284421781/in/pool-1188458@N24
[12:25] <kwwii> thorwil: man, you don't know how much I like that pic
[12:25] <thorwil> kwwii: i like it too, still see a dissonance
[12:26] <thorwil> kwwii: flickr search is too dumb for searching for license. but you can search for tags. hence ...
[12:29] <thorwil> there gotta be a way to add your own tags?
[12:33] <thorwil> only on pictures from "friends". stupid flickr is stupid
[12:44] <thorwil> haha, there is an advanced search that also takes CC licensing into account, but you can't limit that one to a group's pool
[12:54] <kwwii> thorwil: yeah, flickr is not the optimal way of doing this but it was there and people know about it
[12:55] <thorwil> kwwii: it's just frustrating how close it comes to then fail on the last tiny steps. what messed up thinking to have _either_ advanced search _or_ search in a pool
[13:01] <thorwil> kwwii: there are 35 images with a CC license that permist commercial use, according to a search in my favorites (now identical to the pool ...)
[13:24] <kwwii> thorwil: yeah, I even sent them an email asking for features...naturally they said "thanks, we'll add that to the list"
[13:24] <kwwii> I might need to download them all and check for myself, just to be sure
[13:25] <mac_v> mat_t: you could ask Travis for the compiz close change ;)
[13:27] <kwwii> thorwil: am I supposed to see images with that html page?
[13:34] <mat_t> mac_v: thx, where can I find him?
[13:37] <mac_v> mat_t: i think he'll be sleeping now ;p , i'll see if i can get the patch done myself , it's a simple one ,
[13:38] <mac_v> mat_t: but David's comment in the other explicitly says dont change to close... is it just to close the other bug or to not have the animation to fade i wonder
[13:38] <mac_v> other bug*
[13:40] <mat_t> mac_v: it was regarding the other bug
[13:42] <mat_t> mac_v: if you could release the fix, please do! :) Otherwise I can talk to Travis
[13:49] <mac_v> mat_t: right now , i'm having a look at it ... will inform if i get the patch ready ;)
[13:57] <mat_t> mac_v: cool!
[14:03] <kwwii> zniavre: hey, I fixed the problem with the top right corner pixel :)
[14:04] <zniavre> kwwii,  bonjour / hello
[14:04] <zniavre> could you share the fix with me ?
[14:06] <kwwii> hi, sure
[14:07] <kwwii> essentially, I removed all the variables in the width and heigth
[14:07] <kwwii> well, not really, but you will see when I send it to you :p
[14:08] <zniavre> :o)
[14:12] <thorwil> kwwii: arg, thumbnail links are local, sorry. but the loinks should work
[14:13] <kwwii> thorwil: cool, thanks...I'll check it out in a bit
[14:18] <kwwii> thorwil: erm, is that page your pics or all of the CC licensed pics?
[14:18] <kwwii> I ask because my pic is not amongst them :)
[14:19] <kwwii> I don't assign any license to my pics on flickr
[14:19] <kwwii> I guess I could send an email to myself asking if I can use it :D
[14:39] <thorwil> kwwii: all CC without NC licensed
[14:39] <thorwil> kwwii: so you are the perfect example why we should ask people about licensing
[14:41] <kwwii> right, I think I will send an email to everyone in the short-list
[14:41] <kwwii> now is when I really wish I had 3g or such
[14:42] <kwwii> going to the airport where I have no internet connection...not even in the 1st class lounge :p
[14:59] <kwwii> thorwil: funky question, but did you remove any photos from the short-list?
[15:00] <thorwil> kwwii: i wouldn't know how
[15:01] <kwwii> thorwil: ok, thanks...just trying to figure this out. I guess it was the author
[15:03] <darkham> hey people, some hope of something like that http://www.youtube.com/user/madsrosendahl#play/uploads/3/XlCVrtgxVcI in karmic stable?
[15:04] <darkham> this type of stuff, give many popularity , i don't think it would be bad...
[15:08] <kwwii> darkham: we will be having an animation but it will be a bit simpler than that
[15:08] <kwwii> darkham: the artwork should be included shortly
[15:10] <darkham> kwwii: i've some hope to watch it in daily live cds?
[15:10] <darkham> :)
[15:10] <kwwii> darkham: yeah, I am asking now as to when the artwork will be in the distro
[15:11] <kwwii> it has been done for quite a while actually
[15:11] <kwwii> I think that the final mockup is on the wiki
[15:21] <darkham> for what you artwork developers are now workink the most?
[15:23] <kwwii> lol, on everything
[15:24]  * kwwii heads out to the airport
[15:25] <darkham> great...
[15:41] <darkham> what of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Boot
[15:41] <darkham> are on charts?
[15:41] <darkham> :=)
[15:52] <mac_v> mat_t: added the patch :)
[15:53] <mac_v> s/added/attached*
[15:56] <mat_t> mac_v: great!
[15:56] <mat_t> mac_v: that must be one of the quickest bug fixes in history :)
[15:57] <mac_v>  ;p
[16:01] <darkham> very good ideas in the mockup pages, please team make karmic better than ever!!!
[16:01] <darkham> i salute you
[17:19] <mac_v> mat_t: mvo has committed the patch... now thats really a quick fix ;)
[17:24] <mat_t> mac_v: yeah, well done! ;)
[17:43] <mrmcq2u> kwwii - is the gdm mockup from canonical going to make it into karmic?
[17:54] <mac_v> mat_t: lololol...! even the fix is released now !  \o/
[17:55] <mac_v> mrmcq2u: kwwii is on a plane now ;)
[17:55] <FLOZz> Hello all  _o/
[17:57] <mrmcq2u> mac_v - he sure gets the plane allot
[18:22] <mat_t> mac_v: yes I know :)
[18:23]  * mat_t didn't realise his own hidden powers
[21:12] <zniavre> nice usplash
[21:13] <zniavre> (karmic)
[21:22] <mrmcq2u> now all thats missing is the gdm theme to match :D
[21:22] <mac_v> mrmcq2u: to match what?
[21:23] <mrmcq2u> the new xsplash theme
[21:24] <mac_v> i must have missed it , let me update ;)
[21:34] <MDC1> mrmcq2u, mac_v, seems i've missed it too - but the new boot time was amazing!
[21:34] <mac_v> MDC1: grr... i got stcuk at boot!
[21:34] <mac_v> stuck
[21:36] <MDC1> well - me too but after some upgrade or install it was as new again
[21:42]  * mac_v rebooooooots
[21:44] <mrmcq2u> still have no idea whether the gdm theme will even change for karmic :(
[21:46] <zniavre> i hope soon the shock is big
[21:46] <mac_v> zniavre: shock?
[21:47] <zniavre> xspalsh > gdm
[21:47] <mac_v> hmm...
[21:47] <zniavre> xsplash*
[22:34] <kwwii> mrmcq2u: yes, it will change for karmic....I worked on it today, almost ready
[22:35] <mrmcq2u> hurray :D
[22:35] <mrmcq2u> I have been trying to figure out whether the new gdm in the canonical mockups would make it in to karmic for weeks :D
[22:36] <mrmcq2u> and just to give you my opinion kwwii - I think all of canonicals proposals with relation to art both gdm and xsplash have been A+ this release
[22:37] <kwwii> mrmcq2u: yeah, me too and I was the one who was supposed to work on the themeing
[22:37] <kwwii> we wanted to redo the interface but that will now be left for +1
[22:38] <kwwii> I have created a new metacity and gtk theme to make it look nicer
[22:39] <mrmcq2u> will the gdm look like the one on the wiki you proposed
[22:40] <kwwii> yes, as closely as possible without editing a theme engine
[22:40] <kwwii> I could probably get a screenshot out tomorrow, once I know how to make the new gdm use the theme ;)
[22:40] <mrmcq2u> Thats awesome, thanks for the info
[22:41] <kwwii> anytime :)
[22:41] <kwwii> _
[22:41] <zniavre> xnest gdmflexiserver does not work anymore for me
[22:41] <kwwii> zniavre: right, here either
[22:42] <kwwii> I do not think the new gdm works with it
[22:42] <mrmcq2u> will you be able to have the gtk theme specific to the gdm or will it need to be a new default gtk theme?
[22:43] <kwwii> it is a normal gtk and metacity theme, I just made a different one so that it looks nice
[22:47] <mrmcq2u> Is the different one going to be the new default for the desktop too or can you have gdm use a seperate gtk theme to the default one for the desktop?
[22:47] <kwwii> no, this will just be the default for gdm
[22:47] <mrmcq2u> ah cool
[22:48] <mrmcq2u> any testing ppa :D lol
[22:48] <mrmcq2u> worth a try :D
[22:48] <kwwii> no, but once I know how to set it, I will put it in my ppa
[22:48] <kwwii> actually, I will put it directly into karmic asap
[22:49] <kwwii> but because it is so late in the cycle, it will be in my ppa for at least a week before it makes it in the distro
[22:51] <mrmcq2u> lol, just added your ppa :D
[22:51] <kwwii> cool
[22:52] <kwwii> I will add a new human icon theme package tomorrow
[22:52] <kwwii> which fixes the xdg icons in the places menu
[22:52] <mrmcq2u> nice
[22:52] <kwwii> thanks be to god that I installed the alpha...I did not know it was messed up
[22:53] <zniavre> folder-download ?
[22:53] <kwwii> and music and documents
[22:53] <kwwii> they were all named incorrectly
[22:53] <kwwii> :p
[22:54] <zniavre> only folder-download were missing here
[22:54] <kwwii> no, but the other two look slightly different, eh?
[22:55] <kwwii> personally, I think we should change "download" to "downloads"
[22:55] <zniavre> in french it's Téléchargement   (without the s)
[22:56] <kwwii> right, in the end, I didn't mention it until now. it is pretty late to suggest such changes now
[22:56] <kwwii> and it is
[22:56] <kwwii> "download" in the xdg spec
[22:57] <zniavre> i already fix the name in my own icon theme
[22:57] <kwwii> ;)
[22:57] <zniavre> yes that's true
[22:57] <kwwii> although as co-maintainer of the spec I guess I could change it pretty easily
[22:57] <zniavre> it looks nice in the side panel of nautilus (bookmarks)
[22:58] <kwwii> yes, although at first I did not like the idea of using the special folders I have to admit it is a pretty good idea
[23:01] <kwwii> oh well, time for sleep...bonne nuit
[23:02] <zniavre> good night
[23:02] <zniavre> thank you
[23:03] <kwwii> glad to help


[17:46] <mrcaseb> Hello everybody,
[17:47] <diogenes_> hi
[17:47] <mrcaseb> I am trying to install CAELinux 2018 which is built on Xubuntu 16.04.5 LTS  64 bit. The installer fails when copying of all files is done. I am thinking there are drivers missing because I am trying it on a new notebook
[17:48] <mrcaseb> Are there any methods to find missing drivers?
[17:49] <diogenes_> mrcaseb, driver manager.
[17:50] <diogenes_> !askk
[17:51] <diogenes_> sorry wrong channel
[18:43] <xubuntu80i> hello
[18:43] <diogenes_> hi


[00:53] <punkgeek> How cloud-init iso can automatically detect the network config version to apply static ip address on the vm?
[04:20] <punkgeek>  How cloud-init iso can automatically detect the network config version to apply static ip address on the vm?
[15:10] <andras-kovacs> Hi! Is there any official way to use cloud-init with VMWare? I know it sounds funny.
[15:59] <rick_h>  andras-kovacs http://darrylcauldwell.com/vmware-cloud-init/ seems like a starter guide with some helpful links
[16:15] <andras-kovacs> thank you!
[17:32] <blackboxsw> lucasmoura: and falcojr it seems we get merge conflicts on most of our ubuntu-sru Prs trying to link or update the doc links from the readme https://github.com/cloud-init/ubuntu-sru/tree/master/20200529
[17:33] <blackboxsw> what do you guys think about us just dropping that linking and we can separately merge a top-level readme update later so we don't have to rebase each PR when another verification test lands
[17:34] <blackboxsw> I'd even be game the commiter (who clicks the merge button) separately just pushing a commit to update the docs after it lands
[17:34] <blackboxsw> as it seems painful to constantly rebase -i master and fix a trivial conflict
[17:34] <blackboxsw> what do you both think?
[17:39] <lucasmoura> blackboxsw, I agree. I will remove the links on my PRs now
[17:43] <falcojr> blackboxsw: if you approve, I'm fine doing the fix and merge myself...pretty I have the permissions on that repo
[17:43] <falcojr> also, my network took a dump for a minute or two, so sorry if I missed a message in there
[17:44] <falcojr> s/pretty/pretty sure
[17:44] <falcojr> a doc after the fact works too
[17:44] <falcojr> whatever's easiest for everyone else I guess
[17:45] <lucasmoura> blackboxsw, I have removed the links on my PRs
[17:45] <falcojr> ok, I'll stop adding the links then and we can do it all at once at the end
[17:45] <blackboxsw> +1 falcojr and lucasmoura I think any of us should feel free to review/merge other's PRs on this
[17:45] <blackboxsw> ok sounds good. let's do it all at the end
[17:46] <blackboxsw> conflict ...resolved
[17:46] <meena> falcojr: try: "pretty, and sure" — that works for me.
[17:46] <blackboxsw> hah
[17:46] <falcojr> nice
[17:49] <blackboxsw> lucasmoura: did you git add your ec2 verification results to https://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/legacy/grub.html#Filesystem?
[17:49] <blackboxsw> lucasmoura: did you git add your ec2 verification results to https://github.com/cloud-init/ubuntu-sru/pull/102/files?
[17:51] <blackboxsw> I think we want the entire console output from the test runs on the PR in ec2-sru-20.2.45.txt
[17:51] <lucasmoura> blackboxsw, Not yet to both questions
[17:51] <lucasmoura> Oh sorry, I will add it now
[17:51] <blackboxsw> thanks
[17:51] <lucasmoura> Is there a specific folder I should put that on ?
[17:52] <blackboxsw> falcojr: approved however you want to resolve the merge conflicts is good w/ me https://github.com/cloud-init/ubuntu-sru/pull/105#pullrequestreview-429154846
[17:54] <blackboxsw> merged lucasmoura https://github.com/cloud-init/ubuntu-sru/pull/106
[17:54] <lucasmoura> blackboxsw, just realized I should put it in the ec2 file. Updating the file right now
[17:54] <blackboxsw> I'll stop pinging with each merge. I'm getting a bit noisy here.
[17:55] <blackboxsw> thx lucasmoura
[17:56] <lucasmoura> blackboxsw, updated
[18:11] <blackboxsw> lucasmoura: clear for attaching those logs to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/+bug/1881018
[18:11] <lucasmoura> blackboxsw, ack
[18:12] <blackboxsw> lucasmoura: when you do, please also update the description of the bug "* Manual Test Results" section replacing the TODO with the name of the log file you are attaching
[18:12] <blackboxsw> goal is for us to replace all those TODOs in the descr with verification logs
[18:12] <lucasmoura> okay
[18:34] <lucasmoura> blackboxsw, launchpad bug updated
[20:06] <falcojr> anybody have experience lauching a VM with cloud-init through lxd?
[20:06] <Odd_Bloke> I haven't yet launch a LXD VM, I'm afraid.
[20:06] <blackboxsw> and falcojr yep, let me get you the PR. :) you need a profile
[20:07] <falcojr> ahhh, ok. I was able to get it started but my cloud init data wasn't passed through
[20:07] <blackboxsw> falcojr: https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-advantage-client/pull/1090/files#diff-ade24dcbd00eae69e6f292b18c4ec67aR109-R128
[20:07] <falcojr> thanks!
[20:08] <blackboxsw> hrm, checking the actual question you had. I'll try providing cloud-config to that to see if it works
[20:08] <falcojr> well via google I found an example of somebody using cloud init data, but they created a profile too
[20:13] <blackboxsw> falcojr: ok I did the following lxc launch ubuntu-daily:focal -c user.user-data="$(cat cc.yaml)" asdf-f2 --vm --profile behave-vm   and it worked.
[20:13] <blackboxsw> falcojr: here's what my profile looks like https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-advantage-client/pull/1090/files#diff-ade24dcbd00eae69e6f292b18c4ec67aR109-R128
[20:13] <blackboxsw> oops https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/yq3JMVy2Dr/
[20:14] <falcojr> ahh, right, that source
[20:14] <falcojr> awesome, thanks!
[20:24] <blackboxsw> sorry falcojr that link doesn't take you to the right place, but basically look for lxc_create_vm_profile
[20:24] <blackboxsw> .... .and if you are reviewing it ;).... j/k :)
[20:25] <blackboxsw> I'll put ua-client reviews on lucas :)
[20:25] <falcojr> yeah, I got it, thanks again
[21:58] <lucasmoura> Hey everyone, when I set a cloud-config directive through the environment variable DEBUG_PROC_CMDLINE, how can I verify that it was actually used ?
[21:58] <blackboxsw> smoser: rharper do you have any objection if we hoist the remaining scripts out of https://github.com/cloud-init/qa-scripts and into uss-tableflip?
[21:59] <rharper> blackboxsw: one place is better than two
[21:59] <lucasmoura> Originally I thought about looking at both cloud-init.log and cloud-init-output.log, but the output is not appearing in those logs
[21:59]  * blackboxsw thinks you still have access to that repo
[21:59] <rharper> blackboxsw: tableflip ?
[21:59] <rharper> blackboxsw: yeah, I think so
[22:00] <rharper> typically I'd expect ya'll to land to tableflip though
[22:01] <Sargun> Is there any way to do variable interpolation on #include directives?
[22:04] <rharper> Sargun: you can use a jinja template in your #cloud-config file
[22:05] <Sargun> rharper: Cool. Thanks.
[22:06] <rharper> Sargun: see cloud-init query and cloud-init devel render
[22:11] <rharper> Sargun: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/GNx8VVyQVk/
[22:11] <rharper> cloud-init query --list-keys will show you the supported jinja variables
[22:13] <blackboxsw> yeah rharper lucas just mentioned yesterday we had a number of dup scripts which we hadn't retired from qa-scripts
[22:13] <blackboxsw> powersj: same question on qa-scripts repo in cloud-init
[22:13] <blackboxsw> we were thinking of migrating remaining scripts out of there into https://github.com/canonical/uss-tableflip/
[22:13] <powersj> blackboxsw, do it
[22:21] <Sargun> This is super neat: include http://myhost/{{ v1.distro }}-instance-{{ instance_id }}/my-user-data
[22:39] <blackboxsw> yeah it's great. anything you can do in jinja templates are viable options . conditionals loops variable replacement etc.
[22:40] <blackboxsw> plus the benefit of sourcing all cloud-init query instance data as variables


[13:11] <andersson1234> bluca: I'm seeing a lot of errors with systemd tests where the VM is getting "No space left on device", is this something you expect?
[13:12] <bluca> not really no, usually it's a vm problem when that shows up
[13:12] <bluca> it happens from time to time
[13:12] <bluca> also we aren't getting reports anymore since last week's launchpad outage
[13:13] <bluca> I imagine there is still some fallout being handled from that?
[13:13] <andersson1234> gotcha just wanted to check if it was something intended
[13:13] <andersson1234> I'll look into your updates
[13:14] <bluca> thanks!
[13:24] <andersson1234> you should start getting your results back now.
[13:44] <bluca> thanks!
[14:30] <andersson1234> all good? started seeing results again?
[14:30] <bluca> it will take a while since jobs run for a couple of hours
[14:30] <bluca> I'll let you know later today


[00:03] <jenkins> flan: we have a show stopping bug with the display of the screenshot that the user has just taken in the client. I have hopefully fixed any packaging issues
[00:23] <flan> jenkins, still there?
[00:23] <jenkins> yeo
[00:23] <jenkins> yep
[00:23] <flan> Can you describe the bug?
[00:24] <jenkins> i am trying to do hello.txt screenshot and it is only displaying a tiny part of the image. I ahve changed the screenshot settings to take the active window it was 4 x 20 px
[00:24] <flan> Oh. I just made that one up to show someone what the interface looks like.
[00:25] <flan> The values were just random.
[00:25] <jenkins> I have changed it to do the window. but i am not sure I haev done it right
[00:25] <flan> Just blank every sub-rect value and it'll capture the full window.
[00:26] <flan> (A full set of 0s will do the same thing)
[00:26] <jenkins> yea it must be the server setup some how. I only thought of that about 10 mins ago
[00:26] <flan> (Since I'd imagine some people won't just blank the fields)
[00:27] <flan> Are most of our screenshots going to be the same for this run?
[00:27] <flan> If so, I'll just start transposing screenshots from the old config file.
[00:27] <jenkins> I think they are i have no clue no-one has said anything
[00:28] <flan> Who'd know?
[00:28] <flan> I can get that stuff set up tonight.
[00:28] <jenkins> ChrisWoollard: or godbyk i guess
[00:28] <flan> Then take a few screenshots myself, before switching the server to production-mode.
[00:28] <ChrisWoollard> hello
[00:28] <flan> Hi.
[00:28] <flan> Screenshots for 10.10. Same things as in 10.04?
[00:28] <jenkins> ChrisWoollard: do you know what screenshots are needed this releas?
[00:29] <flan> Or do we have a lot of changes?
[00:29] <flan> Mmm... Microwave maccaroni and cheese...
[00:29]  * flan really is that lazy.
[00:29] <jenkins> ChrisWoollard: also do you know if anyone has added the rythambox and ubuntu one stuff? I have not ahd time to do it my self yet
[00:30] <ChrisWoollard> i am not sure on the screen shots
[00:30] <ChrisWoollard> i haven't been areound
[00:30] <ChrisWoollard> this may mention something
[00:30] <ChrisWoollard> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/ump-maverick
[00:30] <flan> Well, we're dropping the chapter on terminal stuff, right?
[00:30] <Muscovy> I think so.
[00:30] <flan> Oh, and I'll need the screenshot names...
[00:30] <Muscovy> Or maybe merging it with security?
[00:30] <flan> Hmm...
[00:31]  * ChrisWoollard looks at the change log
[00:31] <flan> Anyone want to take charge of populating the project on the Qs server witht he right screenshots?
[00:31] <flan> Most of the details will be the same as they were in 10.04 and we have a text file for that.
[00:31]  * jenkins hides and goes back to fixing problems
[00:32]  * flan wants to document the code and start work on preparing a presentation for AppDevWeek.
[00:32] <flan> Wanna help with that, jenkins? I'll probably do most of the prep-work.
[00:32] <jenkins> I can do my best to help
[00:33] <ChrisWoollard> i can't see any mention of the ubuntuone or rhythmbox stuff in the change log
[00:33] <flan> You'd probably just need to join the channel and look pretty.
[00:33] <flan> And keep me from getting too technical.
[00:33] <ChrisWoollard> I guess it is still in mattgriffin's branch
[00:33]  * mattgriffin reads the backlog
[00:34] <ChrisWoollard> hey matt.
[00:34] <mattgriffin> ChrisWoollard: heya... added some updates to the ubuntu one and rhythmbox content to a branch... not sure if there's anything else i need to do
[00:35] <jenkins> rigth flan I can do that. I am always loging on every time i can
[00:35] <ChrisWoollard> I don't think anybody has done anything with it yet.
[00:38] <jenkins> I will do it before I go to bed
[00:38] <ChrisWoollard> ok.
[00:40] <jenkins> flan: how do i set a user account for the test project?
[00:42] <ChrisWoollard> jenkins: To be matts stuff in will you just replace the relevant tex files with matts?
[00:42] <ChrisWoollard> sorry
[00:43] <ChrisWoollard> s/be/get
[00:43] <jenkins> I will probably do so I will have a read though
[00:43] <jenkins>  /comaper
[00:43] <flan> jenkins, you'll have to add someone to the ump project family as an owner.
[00:43] <mattgriffin> ChrisWoollard, jenkins: yeah... i just started from the existing version and updated the text of the file
[00:43] <flan> Click 'Ubuntu Manual Project' in the location bar below the "logo".
[00:44] <flan> Then "Manage project" in the right.
[00:44] <flan> Then just paset in their OpenID.
[00:44] <ChrisWoollard> mattgriffin: it looks like you took a complete copy of the branch and edited in your changes?
[00:45] <jenkins> flan:  thats usefull to know. how do i add a user account for the screenshots to be taken from?
[00:46] <mattgriffin> ChrisWoollard: yeah. only changed 1 file in each branch
[00:46] <ChrisWoollard> cool
[00:47] <ChrisWoollard> I am looking at the maverick branch and it might have already been added. I am going to double check that though
[00:47] <mattgriffin> ChrisWoollard: cool
[00:47] <ChrisWoollard> i see a reference to 10.10 in the tex files
[00:48] <ChrisWoollard> i'll do a quick diff of the files
[00:48] <mattgriffin> excellent
[00:49] <flan> jenkins, just define it in 'Manage version'. It's a field on the right.
[00:49] <flan> Where you can edit other project properties, like resolution and name,
[00:50] <mattgriffin> ChrisWoollard: looks like they're different
[00:50] <ChrisWoollard> i just noticed that
[00:51] <ChrisWoollard> I guess we'll use your version.
[00:51] <mattgriffin> cool
[00:52] <ChrisWoollard> jenkins: I am going to update the ubuntu one files with matt's version.
[00:53] <ChrisWoollard> jenkins: I am going to update the ubuntu one files with matt's version.
[00:53] <jenkins> thanks
[00:53] <jenkins> sorry about that laptop locked up
[00:53] <ChrisWoollard> goh
[00:53] <ChrisWoollard> doh
[00:54] <jenkins> did you answer my question?
[00:54] <jenkins> flan: ^
[00:56] <flan> 17:49 < flan> jenkins, just define it in 'Manage version'. It's a field on the  right.
[00:56] <flan> 17:49 < flan> Where you can edit other project properties, like resolution and  name,
[00:59] <jenkins> thaks flan. I needed to scroll more multiple windows open. I have found a bug with the server
[01:00] <flan> Do tell.
[01:00] <jenkins> if your open id has a space at the end when you paste it it does not login
[01:01] <flan> Are you sure?
[01:01] <flan> openid = request.params.get('openid', '').strip()
[01:01] <jenkins> well deleting it for me appeared to work
[01:02] <ChrisWoollard> The Ubuntu One content is now in.
[01:02] <jenkins> Things didn't go as smoothly as they should haveThe OpenID you provided was in a format that could not be understoodIllegal characters in URI: ' ' at position 7
[01:02] <ChrisWoollard> And it compiles
[01:03] <jenkins> good can you do rythambox as well O:-)
[01:03] <flan> What was the exact OpenID you gave it?
[01:03] <ChrisWoollard> I will do. Then bed time.
[01:03] <jenkins> thnaks Chris
[01:04] <jenkins> i closed chromium accidently one moment flan
[01:04] <jenkins> "https://launchpad.net/~ubuntujenkins " same error except possition 36
[01:04] <flan> Position 7 means it was in the middle of the string. Like, right after the http:// part.
[01:05] <flan> Interesting...
[01:05] <jenkins> I just copy and paste from the launchpad page
[01:05] <flan> Paste that string into Python and call repr() on it.
[01:05] <flan> I need to make sure it's actually a space.
[01:05] <flan> And not an  .
[01:06] <flan> How did you copy it?
[01:07] <jenkins> "'https://launchpad.net/~ubuntujenkins '"
[01:07] <jenkins> is what i got from python
[01:07] <jenkins> I selected it cntrl+c cntrl+p
[01:07] <flan> Okay, so it is a space there...
[01:07] <flan> Like, from the location bar?
[01:08] <jenkins> well I coppied it with the space from the lauchpad page
[01:08] <jenkins> accdently
[01:09] <flan> There's an   there.
[01:10] <jenkins> hows that get there?
[01:11] <flan> It's common in web-design.
[01:11] <flan> It jsut creates a space that's exempt from normal compression/wrapping rules.
[01:11] <flan> Character 160.
[01:12] <flan> The browser must have been passing it to the server while your terminal's filtering it.
[01:12] <flan> I just tried using a normal space and it worked.
[01:12] <ChrisWoollard> jenkins: I have pushed the Rhythmbox changes as well now.
[01:13] <jenkins> thanks very much ChrisWoollard
[01:13] <ChrisWoollard> II'll update the bugs
[01:13] <jenkins> flan: strange anything to do with the image next to it on lauchpad may be?
[01:13] <flan> I'd call this "won't fix", since it's no different from trying to paste a *, only not quite as easy to visually diagnose.
[01:14] <flan> It very well could be, yes.
[01:14] <flan> It might have been a control character instead of a non-breaking space.
[01:15] <jenkins> thats fine. http://paste.ubuntu.com/491891/ I have been able do this twice now. I enter a password for the user but get my sudo password wrong I then just get warnings "unable to modifty user account....."
[01:17] <flan> Well, given that it's printing usage information, I'd venture that I did something wrong.
[01:17] <flan> Is the display name defined?
[01:17] <flan> If not, don't define it.
[01:17] <flan> It means I have to fix the command syntax.
[01:17] <ChrisWoollard> Bye all. Bed time now.
[01:19] <jenkins> night ChrisWoollard
[01:19] <jenkins> i did not define it
[01:19] <jenkins> (the display name)
[01:21] <flan> Patch committed.
[01:21] <jenkins> repackaging it
[01:22] <flan> Run it with --debug next time. Just in case.
[01:22] <flan> (--debug: debug-level logging; --verbose: info-level logging)
[01:23] <jenkins> will do, I ment to ask if that still worked
[01:23] <flan> It'll always write logfiles with debug-level logging.
[01:24] <flan> Frogurt, non-frogurt, or banana?
[01:25]  * flan bananas.
[01:25] <jenkins> http://paste.ubuntu.com/491894/
[01:25] <jenkins> your fix did not work
[01:25] <flan> Oh.
[01:25] <flan> No, I forgot a character,
[01:26] <flan> Fixed now. For reals.
[01:26] <flan> %(display_name) != %(display_name)s
[01:30] <jenkins> http://paste.ubuntu.com/491897/ back to the original problem not letting me enter a password
[01:31] <jenkins> i wil just re install the package to double check
[01:31] <flan> ...Weird...
[01:32] <flan> tail /var/log/auth.log
[01:32] <flan> What command is it passing?
[01:33] <jenkins> Sep 11 01:32:24 luke-jennings-laptop sudo: luke-jennings : TTY=pts/0 ; PWD=/home/luke-jennings/Projects/quickshot ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/usr/sbin/useradd --shell /bin/bash -m  -p gePG9mJ4WVxZo quickshottest
[01:35] <flan> I don't see anything wrong witht hat...
[01:36] <flan> Oh, wait.
[01:36] <flan> Yes, I do.
[01:36] <flan> useradd is super-sensitive, so it's dying on that double-whitespace.
[01:36] <flan> Sorry. :(
[01:37] <flan> Pushed.
[01:41] <flan> 18:36 < flan> useradd is super-sensitive, so it's dying on that  double-whitespace.
[01:41] <flan> 18:36 < flan> Sorry. :(
[01:41] <flan> 18:37 < flan> Pushed.
[01:41] <jenkins__> hey flan can it me made so that the project that the account was set up for shows up in the recent list automatically now i have to remember your server url
[01:42] <jenkins__> I am testing in the quickshottest accoun now
[01:42] <flan> It should already be the most recent project in the list.
[01:42] <flan> That list should update every time you successfully connect to a project.
[01:43] <flan> Oh.
[01:43] <flan> You changed actual users.
[01:43] <jenkins__> yes
[01:43] <jenkins__> I guess it would be really hacky to do that for the user you set up?
[01:43] <flan> No, that can't be done. Not without violating the sense of implied separation between users.
[01:43] <flan> Yeah.
[01:44] <jenkins__> can you drop  me the link please
[01:44] <flan> We could just force a copy of ~/.quickshot into the new user's home directory, but I really don't want to do that.
[01:44] <flan> http://flan/uguu.ca:5000/ump/test
[01:44] <flan> You could also just use the .qsproj method.
[01:45] <flan> Download the file in /home/jenkins and load that from the other user.
[01:45] <flan> It'll be world-readable by default in Ubuntu.
[01:45] <flan> So we should just recommand that on the getting started page.
[01:45] <jenkins__> yea i had not got as far as making qspjt
[01:45] <jenkins__> yep
[01:45] <flan> It's just a matter of clicking 'Help out!' on the project page and saving the file.
[01:46] <jenkins__> i know i had just got the link handy untill now
[01:47] <jenkins__> I have another bug with the apport stuff
[01:47]  * jenkins__ goes to fix it
[01:53] <jenkins__> how is screen resolution changes done? 2010-09-11 01:52:48,808 : quickshot.gui.graphics_change : ERROR : Unable to change screen resolution: [Errno 2] No such file or directory  is my error
[01:53] <flan> Using nvidia?
[01:54] <jenkins__> yep with no disper I guess thats it
[01:54] <flan> Most likely.
[01:54] <flan> Might as well add it as a package dependency/recommendation.
[01:54] <jenkins__> yep going to
[01:54] <flan> I'll augment the error message.
[01:57] <jenkins__> man I have to build it for mavrick
[01:57] <flan> Pushed.
[01:57] <flan> Could you just disable the nvidia module?
[01:58] <flan> I'd test, but my Maverick system is in VirtualBox, so I don't get access to the underlying nvidia hardware.
[01:58] <jenkins__> thats no problem I will just have to work out his set up
[02:00] <jenkins__> well its 2 am here I am going to get some sleep and then do some more tomorrow
[02:00] <jenkins__> night flan
[02:00] <flan> What time?
[02:00] <flan> So I'll know when to be around.
[02:01] <jenkins__> about 16:00 my time is 9am your time right?
[02:01] <jenkins__> .me checks
[02:01] <flan> Just tell me in UTC.
[02:02] <jenkins__> 16:00 utc ish is the plan
[02:02] <jenkins__> as then you may be getting up
[02:03] <flan> 'Kay.
[02:03] <flan> I'll be up well before then.
[02:03] <flan> But I'll make sure I'm around
[02:03] <jenkins__> well the disper pcakge for lucid installs on mavrick
[02:04] <flan> I'm going through its code with Wetbox^3 right now.
[02:04] <flan> To see if we can break the dependency.
[02:04] <jenkins__> but quickshot has locked up at the "Does your display look on?" may be my laptop getting hot. I will check more in the morning. thats great
[02:05] <jenkins__> night flan
[02:05] <flan> G'night~
[02:05] <flan> It makes sense that it'd freeze there.
[02:05] <flan> It had an exception that prevented code from executing.
[16:07] <flan> Which jenkins is real?
[16:08] <jenkins> all of them are ?i have nick protect on and can't be bothered to set up singing in on the quickshot test account
[16:08] <flan> I don't believe you!
[16:08] <flan> But okay.
[16:09] <jenkins> I just have the apport stuff to fix
[16:09] <jenkins> and disper to build
[16:09] <flan> We kinda decided that leaving disper as a dependency isn't so bad, because it's small and it's actually fairly complicated, internally.
[16:09] <flan> Better to let someone else manage it.
[16:10] <jenkins> that sounds good enough to me
[16:26] <flan> I'm gonna start documenting now.
[16:29] <flan> Do you want to be credited with an e-mail address in the headers, jenkins, or should I just leave it at your name?
[16:29] <jenkins> e-mail address is fine
[16:30] <flan> Which one would you prefer?
[17:18] <jenkins> flan: apport stuff fixed I have to go and help cook meal but i will be back later
[17:18] <flan> 'Kay.
[17:18] <flan> I'll just keep documenting.
[17:18] <flan> I'll try to have the client done today and the server done tomorrow.
[17:18] <flan> Though the server will probably be a lot more involved.
[17:18] <jenkins> I will push the package to be built so it is ready
[17:19] <flan> So that may take longer if I lose interest.
[17:19] <jenkins> cool no worries later
[17:19] <flan> (Like, a day or two)
[19:25] <Omega> Are there any plans to have the Ubuntu Manual online?
[19:25] <flan> Ask humphreybc about the USLC.
[19:25] <Omega> What is USLC?
[19:27] <nisshh> Omega: Ubuntu Software Learning Center
[19:27] <nisshh> Omega: its going to be a docs website
[20:20]  * jenkins is releasing quickshot when he should be tidying his room
[20:21] <flan> One of those things affects other people. =P
[20:21] <flan> Though you may want to either a) test it again, since I've made some minor, though potentially syntax-error-inducing alterations to the code, or b) wait for me to finish documenting it in a couple of hours.
[20:22] <flan> So we can officially call it 0.9.0.
[20:23] <jenkins> I am happy to wait as I am trying to work out how to add packages for lucid and karmic to the same ppa
[20:24] <jenkins> it also means i will avoid getting shouted at
[20:26] <flan> I have to go out to eat now, so I'll resume documenting ina bout an hour.
[20:26] <flan> I estimate that, if I remain focused, I've only got about an hour to an hour and a half left.
[20:27] <flan> (And then our Ohloh stats will also look good)
[20:27] <flan> Speaking of project-management stuff, should we, perhaps, split the trunk into a 'client' series?
[20:27] <flan> It works just fine as is, of course.
[20:28] <jenkins> we could do that i don't mind either way
[21:31] <daker> hello
[21:32] <daker> how things are going ?


 Hello ppl! ANyone knows if the dist upgrade from version 21.10 to 22.04 LTS is available now?! (re @Андрей: As far as I know dist upgrade will be available in July-August, with 22.04.1 LTS release.)
[13:02] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[15:04] <alkisg> Eduardo_Jose_Soares, that one is considered a "normal" upgrade and it was available since April
 Yes it's available just finished working on my personal machine (re @Eduardo_Jose_Soares: Hello ppl! ANyone knows if the dist upgrade from version 21.10 to 22.04 LTS is available now?!)
 👍🏻👍🏻 (re @LOBOLATELEPHONY: Yes it's available just finished working on my personal machine)
 👍🏻👍🏻 (re @IrcsomeBot: <alkisg> Eduardo_Jose_Soares, that one is considered a "normal" upgrade and it was available since April)
 Oh! In this page they saying that still not avaliable for upgrading. 😳 : https://irc-attachments.kde.org/dda65925/file_58740.jpg
 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/37a8ca56/file_58741.jpg
 How do I change my Dell BIOS to UEFI?
 And is it good?
 Or should i stick to bios?
[16:21] <mparillo> I know others will disagree, but if you are not dual booting, and it is working, I would leave it as BIOS.
[16:22] <arraybolt3[m]> +1 ^
[16:30] <Dragnslcr> If you're building a new system, I would set it to UEFI. I wouldn't change a running system, though, unless you have a specific reason (most likely needing GPT because you're adding a large hard disk).
 Ok
 If i switch to UEFI what will change?
[17:08] <arraybolt3[m]> @Omar: You'll probably be unable to boot any longer, and may need to do a full reinstall to get things working again.
[17:18] <Octnun> Hey, does anyone know why some graphic cards dont let kubuntu start?
[17:50] <valorie> Octnun: you'll need to give more information than "some graphics cards" and "don't let kubuntu start"
[17:50] <valorie> !graphics
[17:50] <valorie> bummer, no factoid
[18:27] <Octnun> valorie: I have a Red Devil Radeon RX 6700 XT 12GB GDDR6. Eveytime I plugin the card and boot it with kubuntu PEN, it stucks at the start before instalaing. If I remove it, I can install kubuntu with no problem.
[18:28] <Octnun> compatibility problem?
[20:33] <tomreyn> Octnun is gone, but what is "kubuntu PEN"? a 'pen drive' with the kubuntu live / installer on it? or some specific hardware?
[20:34] <tomreyn> i imagine it could be a stylus pen
[21:36] <marcelo52> i install kubuntu 22.04 and now?
[21:37] <marcelo52> initramfs
[21:37] <arraybolt3[m]> marcelo52: Are you getting an error while attempting to use Kubuntu?
[21:38] <marcelo52> no i want enter on kde
[21:38] <arraybolt3[m]> marcelo52: OK. Can you send a picture of the exact error that you're seeing? (You can upload it to Imgur and paste a link here.) Usually when something like that goes wrong there's some debugging data on the screen.
[21:39] <marcelo52> is in text mode i want graphic
[21:40] <Spectre> Hoping someone can help lead me in the right direction.  I can't connect to a synology nas samba share from dolphin but can mount the share from the command line with smbclient just fine.
[21:40] <arraybolt3[m]> marcelo52: I know. But in that text mode there should be a message that says *why* it's in text mode. I need to see that to figure out how to get it into graphic mode.
[21:41] <arraybolt3[m]> (The system usually boots into graphic mode, so if it's in a text mode, something is quite wrong.)
[21:41] <marcelo52> how to enter in graphic mode please?
[21:42] <arraybolt3[m]> marcelo52: I guess you could try pressing Ctrl+Alt+F1 and see if that does it. If not, try Ctrl+Alt+F2.
[21:43] <marcelo52> startx dont work
[21:43] <arraybolt3[m]> marcelo52: If neither of those work, I will *need* to see the message on your screen in order to debug the problem, otherwise I have no way to know why you're in text mode rather than graphic mode. And if I can see the error, I can at least try to help you fix it so that you can get into graphic mode.
[21:44] <marcelo52> (INITRAMFS)
[21:44] <arraybolt3[m]> marcelo52: startx isn't how you're supposed to make graphic mode work. Kubuntu is designed to boot into graphic mode by default. If it doesn't, that's the result of an error on your end. And I'm sure there's more than just (INITRAMFS) on your screen, there should be some critical data above it. So we need to fix that error so that your system will work.
[21:45] <arraybolt3[m]> marcelo52: Does it say something like "root device can't be found"?
[21:45] <arraybolt3[m]> marcelo52: Even just knowing if there actually isn't an error message will be helpful (right now I don't know if there is or not).
[21:56] <jane> hii
 I actually had a problem on my first boot when I installed Kubuntu a month or two ago, it never went into graphical UI, not even ctrl+alt+f1. Startx did the trick, and since then it has worked
[22:58] <user|25> hi


[02:45] <darkxst> jbicha, g-c-c with packagekit integration for installing language packs in on my logind ppa now if you want to test it ;)
[05:54] <lirex> Hallo, kann mir bitte jemand erklären ,wie man die Gastsitzung (lightdm) in Ubuntu-Gnome (gdm) einbauen kann?
[05:55] <lirex> Hello, can someone please tell me how to install the guest session (lightdm) in Ubuntu Gnome (gdm)?
[06:11] <darkxst> lirex, that is not supported in gdm
[06:12] <lirex> But I know you can install it possibly?
[07:07] <darkxst> lirex, best you could do would be to make a guest account with no password or something, there is no way to get a guest session like what exists in lightdm
[07:16] <lirex> but this would not erase ALL data when the guest logs off. Especially this is important because it should be a public PC. You could just install lightdm instead of GDM in order to have this feature or lack there more
[07:17] <darkxst> sure you can install lightdm
[08:42] <ricotz> darkxst, hi :)
[08:44] <ricotz> darkxst, what is the deal with ubuntu_fix_pc_plugindir.patch in network-manager?
[09:11] <ricotz> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/138796309/network-manager_<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu7%2Blogind~raring2_<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu7%2Blogind~raring3.diff.gz
[09:11] <darkxst> ricotz, it was to fix vpn plugins, however turned out it was incomplete
[09:12] <ricotz> darkxst, i will drop it then while copying the saucy package
[09:12] <ricotz> this isnt even upstream
[09:33] <darkxst> ricotz, make sure you test vpn plugins in g-c-c 3.6
[09:34] <ricotz> darkxst, why g-c-c 3.6?
[09:35] <darkxst> because that is in saucy still
[09:35] <darkxst> or are you copying saucy package to ppa?
[09:36] <ricotz> darkxst, i am copying the saucy nm package to the raring staging ppa
[09:36] <ricotz> so there is no need to test 3.6 things
[09:36] <darkxst> right, so vpn plugins will break again without that patch
[09:36] <ricotz> if g-c-c 3.6 is broken in saucy then this is another thing
[09:37] <ricotz> darkxst, that is why i asked you as i understood this patch didnt work anyway
[09:38] <ricotz> darkxst, is the vpn plugin installed in the wrong place?
[09:40] <darkxst> ricotz, yeh, its somewhat inconsistent, fallout from these patches https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-applet/+bug/985788
[09:40] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 985788 in network-manager-vpnc (Ubuntu Precise) "Can’t connect to VPN from GNOME Shell" [Low,Triaged]
[09:40] <darkxst> external plugins all install to /usr/lib/NetworkManager,but
[09:41] <darkxst> the .pc file points to /usr/lib/x86*/NetworkManager
[09:41] <darkxst> (for plugin location)
[09:42] <ricotz> ah ok, a multiarch mix up
[09:44] <ricotz> darkxst, did you make cyphermox aware of that?
[09:44] <ricotz> since this is needed in saucy too then
[09:44] <darkxst> no I havent
[09:52] <ricotz> darkxst, backporting the corresponding 0.9.8 versions of "network-manager-openvpn, network-manager-openconnect, network-manager-vpnc, network-manager-pptp" is useful anyway too
[10:00] <darkxst> that won't help too much, unless the patches for 985788 have been dropped
[10:00] <ricotz> darkxst, did you confirm that this problem appears again in saucy?
[10:00] <darkxst> it will with g-c-c 3.8, havent checked 3.6
[10:13] <ricotz> darkxst, i've restored it
[17:44] <jbicha> ricotz: mozjs17 is still waiting in the new queue and I'll be uploading gnome-shell 3.8 to saucy later today
[17:45] <ricotz> jbicha, oh, nice, please make sure to use the debian package layout for mutter
[17:45] <jbicha> I'm not sure that it's worth trying to keep the GNOME3 PPAs having a newer version of gjs and gnome-shell just for mozjs17
[17:45] <ricotz> e.g. libmutter0b
[17:45] <jbicha> yes I'm doing that
[17:46] <ricotz> good
[17:46] <ricotz> how do mean newer versions?
[17:46] <jbicha> I think you'll want to have a newer version of gjs than 1.36.1-1 in your PPA then for mozjs17
[17:46] <jbicha> gnome-shell 3.8 and gjs in saucy can't depend on mozjs17 yet
[17:47] <ricotz> ah ok
[17:47] <jbicha> some people are trying to run Saucy + the GNOME3 PPAs for Raring but it will break if anyone uploads a newer version to saucy anyway
[17:48] <ricotz> my ppa is already at 1.37 and i will keep an eye on things breaking
[17:48] <jbicha> oh never mind, I didn't see gjs when I looked there earlier
[17:48] <ricotz> jbicha, thanks for the heads up
[17:49] <ricotz> and the raring gjs package in gnome3 should overrule it too
[17:49] <ricotz> gjs - 1.36.1+js17-0ubuntu1~raring0
[17:50] <ricotz> jbicha, btw cogl can be synced
[17:50] <jbicha> ricotz: unfortunately not by me as cogl isn't in the desktop set these days
[17:50] <ricotz> but it might create trouble for arm if somethings links against the gles2 library
[17:51] <ricotz> ok
[17:52] <ricotz> darkxst, do you know if there is going to be a mozjs 17.0.6 release?
[17:52] <ricotz> darkxst, i checked and there are some changes, not sure if they are relevant though
[17:52] <jbicha> hmm I guess I'll need to upload a newer gnome-shell version than saucy after all
[17:54] <ricotz> jbicha, this might be something which should go into raring https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3/+sourcepub/3234428/+listing-archive-extra
[17:57] <jbicha> ricotz: you're welcome to try for an SRU
[23:14] <asdf__> halo
[23:33] <asdf__> so how's this work..is there a forum or somthn for troubleshooting question?
[23:36] <tommie-lie> you can probably get some support from the general forums at ubuntuforums.org
[23:37] <tommie-lie> other than that: ask and see if someone answers, idle around in IRC, don't expect someone with the right answer within the next few minutes
[23:50] <asdf__> i just install ubuntu gnome, after migrate to debian since unity is official in ubuntu. first impresion is, why the icons in "show application" are freakishly big?
[23:51] <asdf__> is it by design or will it be fix? or is it because i use small monitor?
[23:53] <tommie-lie> what do you mean by freakishly big? I would estimate them to be roughly 64x64 pixels, this is normal