 In the office already. Coffee #2 underway
[06:57] <knightwise> I should probablu look into that too
[07:01] <popey> morning
[07:03] <knightwise> popey: are you familiar with reports that 13.04 is considered "slower to beoot" then 12.04 ?
[07:14] <popey> knightwise: nope
[07:20] <knightwise> hmm .. must be me then. i'll give it another try tonight (running ubuntu on the macbook air)
[07:24] <czajkowski> aloha
[07:25] <Gary> hey everybody!
[07:26] <Gary> My name is troy McClure, you may know me from other documentries such as "how to tame your trouser snake" and "what to do in the case the zombies take over"
[07:27] <popey> knightwise: is this a machine which has had 12.04 and 13.04 on it ?
[07:27] <popey> i.e. comparing apples with apples (lol)
[07:30] <knightwise> correct
[08:01] <kvarley-work> 13.04 64 bit - Dell Inspiron 14z - On some boots the audio stops working and just lists "Dummy Output". I think it may be related to me using HDMI. Any ideas on how to fix this?
[08:10] <popey> kvarley-work: i have seen that sometimes
[08:11] <popey> can you restart pulseaudio, does it then work? "pulseaudio -k"
[08:11] <kvarley-work> popey: Doesn't appear to fix it. I've seen some threads suggesting it's a kernel issue
[08:12] <popey> http://askubuntu.com/questions/294016/no-sound-in-ubuntu-13-04-only-dummy-output-device-listed
[08:17] <DJones> kvarley-work: popey: I've had the same issue on my laptop using internal sound on a HP laptop, a reboot seems to fix it
[08:36] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Eat Your Vegetables Day! :-D
[08:37]  * DJones eats bacon as its a fruit of the pig
[08:42] <diplo> Morning all
[08:43] <diplo> Oooh I had that issue kvarley-work / popey
[08:43] <diplo> I have a bug open, not been in my pc recently though to look at it.
[08:44] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:45] <diplo> Morning bigcalm
[08:46]  * bigcalm can smell the coffee!
[08:46] <bigcalm> But will it wake me up?
[08:46] <diplo> Irssi users, in my channels I have letters/numbers assigned to channels, so t = 15 and so I do alt t to show that window
[08:46] <diplo> Channel # 20/21 don't have a number / letter assigned to them so I can change
[08:50] <hd5770> god damn ubuntu
[09:00] <SuperMatt> diplo: you can do /win <number>
[09:00] <SuperMatt> of course, you could also alias /w to /win
[09:01] <SuperMatt> or what I've done in the past /1 goes to window 1, /2 window 2, etc
[09:01] <SuperMatt> so create an alias of /20 which runs /win 20
[09:02] <diplo> kk ta, will look up aliases shortly
[09:02] <SuperMatt> I don't know how you can cope to be in so many channels though
[09:02] <diplo> :D
[09:02] <diplo> I used to be in 5/6
[09:03] <SuperMatt> I start closing down everything I'm not looking at at least a couple of times a day
[09:03] <diplo> I don't read in others that often, but what I've found is I've found out loads of useful stuff by idling in some
[09:03] <christel> diplo: you can just alias them to whatever shortcuts you want
[09:04] <christel> i just do /number for 1-500 :s
[09:04] <diplo> Never needed it till now :) ta
[09:07] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[09:10] <knightwise> hey brobostigon
[09:10] <brobostigon> hey knightwise
[09:25] <bigcalm> Can an alias be a regex? Like /\d?
[09:27] <SuperMatt> huh, there was a fix in fail2ban which hasn't been sent downstream yet
[09:28] <SuperMatt> oh, it's hit saucy, but not precise
[09:38] <diplo> Any LDAP experts/knowledgable people in here ?
[09:39] <mungbean> not very
[09:39] <mungbean> just working knowledge
[09:39] <diplo> I'm basically just trying to set up a system at work
[09:39] <diplo> But want advice on how to structure it
[09:39] <diplo> My googling seems to be confusing me more than enlightening me :)
[09:40] <mungbean> you might save time to setup a zimbra server and see how it does it for you :)
[09:41] <diplo> Will take a look at that as well then I guess
[09:44] <diplo> What do you store in your ldap db mungbean  ?
[09:47] <mungbean> passwd , nfs mounts
[09:47] <mungbean> autohome info
[09:48] <mungbean> e.g. desktop user can type /misc/mathematica and auto mounts that dir and runs the application
[09:49] <diplo> OK, more than I was going to use ours for :)
[09:49] <mungbean> just passwd then?
[09:50] <diplo> More going to be for contact information/logins etc for internal systems
[09:50] <diplo> And storing customer info etc
[09:50] <diplo> So I want to point our phone system at the ldap, our bug software/faq software etc
[09:51] <diplo> So that data is consistent across all of our applications etc
[09:51] <mungbean> ah ok, there's some howtos out there for it
[09:51] <mungbean> did that abotu 10yr ago though
[09:52] <diplo> yeah, they're all a bit different, no real consistency.. my main Q is how I should structure it I guess
[09:52] <mgdm> I stopped doing LDAP stuff right around when OpenLDAP moved all its config inside the LDAP tree
[09:58] <diplo> Can't think of any other way for the phone to interact.. can get round all the other issues apart from that
[10:49] <advancedgarde> For anyone who is aware of my earlier post (or interested) I let badblocks run in read only-mode, no errors detected. Smart still shows 65535 sectors pending remapping - so I feel this strengthens the case for a firmware but. I'm going to run a low level format using WingDLG and I'll post back on here if I have any success.
[11:13] <Darael> mgdm: (a little late) There's a reason there was a post in the Monastery a couple of years ago with subject "LDAP" and (entirety of) body "can [sod] off."
[11:14] <mgdm> :D
[11:14] <Darael> Well, there are several.  One of them is that the Scary Devil Monastery is inhabited by grouchy sysadmins, but that isn't what I meant.
[11:14] <mgdm> That became my assessment, too.
[11:15] <mgdm> I'm not aware of this Monastery, but i suspect I'd get on with some of their opinions
[11:15] <Darael> Few are who don't frequent Usenet.  And how many do that, these days?
[11:17] <mgdm> It's been more than a a couple of years for me sadly
[11:23] <DJones> Right, its officially summer, just had a dodgy looking white van driven past the office with "Whigfield - Saturday night"  blasting out of the speakers & windows
[11:23] <mgdm> oh my

[11:23] <DJones> To complete the sentance, 'Oh my aching head' :)
[11:24] <popey> watched Star Trek II the other day. When I saw Takei on screen my gut reaction was to lower my voice and say "Oh myyyyyy!"
[11:24] <mgdm> \o/
[11:32] <mgdm> I need to watch the original ST II again
[11:32] <mgdm> not seen it since the new one
[11:33] <brobostigon> yes, 2/3/4 are definatly the best ones.
[11:33] <brobostigon> wrath,search,voyage.
[11:35] <mgdm> I like 6 too
[11:35] <brobostigon> undiscovered country?
[11:37] <mgdm> Yeah
[11:37] <brobostigon> my favorite of the TNG films, is certainly first contact.
[11:40] <popey> yeah, i liked first contact too
[11:40] <mgdm> aye
[11:41] <brobostigon> jonathen frakes injected some good humour into it, like nimoy did in voyage home.
[11:42] <advancedgarde> Oh cool, star trek fans ^^
[11:42] <advancedgarde> I've been watching TOS films in order prior to watching into darkness
[11:44] <advancedgarde> I'm on generations at the moment.
[11:44] <popey> I'm going the other way, i watched Into Darkness recently, now going back over the old ones
[11:46] <advancedgarde> Not many of my friends seem interested in watching into darkness - so that's one of the main reasons I've not seen it yet.
[11:46] <advancedgarde> Seeing Man of Steel tonight.
[11:48] <popey> i watched Into Darkness with daviey while waiting for my car to be fixed
[11:48]  * popey notes daviey isnt here
[11:48] <bigcalm> We all know that the film of 2013 will be Despicable Me 2
[11:48] <advancedgarde> I'm new on ubuntu-uk IRC so I don't know many people here.
[11:49] <popey> advancedgarde: welcome ☻
[11:49] <bigcalm> advancedgarde: then stay longer :)
[11:49] <popey> we dont have many in real life meet ups
[11:49] <popey> but a few here and there
[11:49]  * popey pokes AlanBell
[11:49] <bigcalm> Mmmmmmmmm, ale
[11:49]  * popey wonders if the team needs a kick in the butt
[11:50] <knightwise> popey: did you like into darkness ?
[11:50] <bigcalm> RAT then oggcamp and my wedding. what else do we need?
[11:51] <advancedgarde> Thank you ^^ I will attempt to do so. I want to get more failure with ubuntu over the summer. I switched to ubuntu from BSD in ... 2008 for the home server. I also use it to fix my (and friends) windows machines when they die, but I'm not currently using is as a day to day desktop OS/
[11:52]  * bigcalm notes that tickets have sold out for the RAT in September
[11:52] <popey> knightwise: yup
[11:53] <popey> bigcalm: my tickets finally arrived
[11:53] <popey> after i got them to send me reprints
[11:53] <bigcalm> popey: phew!
[11:53] <bigcalm> popey: The rotters
[11:55] <advancedgarde> I need to go now, I have to go to uxbridge to drop off my old house keys.
[11:56] <christel> popey: we should do a brewery tour!
[11:56] <christel> (she says, inspired by spending friday evening at the hogsback brewery)
[11:56] <christel> (they were very generous with their ale...)
[11:57] <christel> (and i presume alan will do an ubuntubbq soonish)
[11:57] <bigcalm> Distillery tour of Scotland!
[11:57] <christel> bigcalm: ok, you're driving the minibus so we can all drink between distilleries!
[11:57] <christel> <3
[11:57] <bigcalm> christel: you think we'll have the proper british weather for a bbq?
[11:57] <popey> advancedgarde: ttfn
[11:57] <christel> rain? yeah, i am sure we will!
[11:57] <christel> :P
[11:57] <bigcalm> :D
[11:58] <bigcalm> I wonder if it would be worth my while getting minibus added to my driving licence
[12:00] <davmor2> bigcalm: but then you can't drink :P
[12:00] <bigcalm> davmor2: ever again?
[12:01] <davmor2> bigcalm: no if you are driving the minibus
[12:01] <bigcalm> I thought drinking while driving a minibus was a requirement
[12:02] <davmor2> bigcalm: just bribe me to drive it :D I already have the license and I don't drink :)
[12:07] <bigcalm> What shall I get my soon to be 36yo sister?
[12:08] <christel> a minibus!
[12:09] <bigcalm> o.O
[12:09] <bigcalm> christel: have you been on the gin?
[12:11] <bigcalm> I'm already on the wine
[12:11] <bigcalm> It's a very recent vitage
[12:11] <bigcalm> vintage
[12:12] <bigcalm> They are still grapes *munch*
[12:12] <christel> bigcalm: nej. i had some milk earlier, does that count?
[12:12] <bigcalm> christel: "milk" eh? ;)
[12:12] <christel> yus, ice-cold semi-skimmed cravendale, went perfectly with my pancakes for breakfast!
[12:17] <hd5770> man how do you install ubuntu alone side windows and both OS's happy
[12:19] <DJones> hd5770: In what way do you get unhappy OS's?
[12:19] <davmor2> hd5770: what version of windows?
[12:20] <hd5770> win 7 i lose boot load for or the other
[12:24] <DJones> hd5770: For Win 7, all I did was to use Win 7 to resize the Win partition, and then boot with a liveUSB letting that partition the freespace & install with grub on the single drive
[12:24] <davmor2> hd5770: what DJones said,  Install win7, reduce it's partition size, then install Ubuntu into the free space,  you will then see an ubuntu and windows listing in a grub menu just point to the one you want to run
[12:27] <bigcalm> Or, if you have 2 harddrives, use one for windows and the other for ubuntu. Saves faffing about with resizing partitions
[12:27] <DJones> Must admit, I can never bring myself to trust a linux installer to correctly shrink an NTFS partition without issues, I'd rather trust Windows (as a native format) to do that
[12:28] <DJones> As bigcalm said, use two drives where possible, just make sure you put grub on the right boot drive
[12:30] <popey> I've never had a problem resizing an NTFS partition in Linux
[12:33] <DJones> I'm not saying I would have an issue, its not something I've tried, just a case using a native tool at the time, haven't needed to do it for a few years anyway
[12:34] <ali1234> i have seen linux ruin a NTFS partition just by mounting it
[12:51] <bigcalm> But I've never seen an elephant fly
[12:51]  * bigcalm lunches
[12:53]  * DJones passes bigcalm a Disney's Dumbo video
[13:25] <hd5770> damn i used ubuntu to do the resize
[13:25] <hd5770> now i got bad blocks on my ssd
[13:26] <hd5770> win7 loader is at /devb/sdg1 when i install grub there windows loader no longer works
[13:34] <mungbean> how did it come to this? firefox regularly taking out my desktop for 15 mins due to disk trashing
[13:34] <mungbean> and out of mem
[14:22] <dubaco_1> hi android not connecting via usb can anyone help?
[14:54] <ali1234> gimp layer groups are broken to the point of being useless
[14:54] <ali1234> since they merge down their contents and then blend then with one operation
[16:02] <dogmatic69> GTX 550 Ti is not plug and play :/
[16:04] <redtape|renegade> Double Click-ing makes 13.10 a Double-trouble O/S for Unity dash in Ubuntu.. http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-13-10-Wants-Users-to-Double-Click-Everything-in-Unity-s-Dash-361544.shtml
[16:04] <redtape|renegade> leaves
[16:05] <AlanBell> hmm, uninformed reporting on the development version
[16:05] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: Well that's never happened before
[16:06] <AlanBell> hey look, today this happened! Is this a bug, is it a new feature? We have no idea, lets hit the publish button.
[16:37] <MartijnVdS> alt+f2 is broken again too
[16:37] <MartijnVdS> if you press Enter too quickly after typing a command, a random other command will run
[16:37] <MartijnVdS> (well it seems random to me anyway)
[16:46] <czajkowski> best client to use for gmail talk
[16:49] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: the Chrome extension
[16:49] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: otherwise you won't be able to use the group chat bits
[16:51] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/hangouts/nckgahadagoaajjgafhacjanaoiihapd?utm_source=chrome-ntp-icon
[16:54] <mgdm> the chrome extension is catastrophically annoying
[16:55] <mgdm> (at least on OSX)
[16:55] <popey> eats cpu
[16:55] <popey> its common in hangouts to share one window, xsensors, showing 98 degrees
[16:56] <mgdm> what do you call the thing that used to be in Crunchbang that shows various info on the desktop background?
[16:58] <mgdm> Conky, that's it
[16:58] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: an app that monitors all kinds of stats about your machine and puts it in a window
[16:58] <MartijnVdS> and/or your background
[16:59] <MartijnVdS> ah wait
[16:59] <MartijnVdS> you already know that
[16:59] <mgdm> Yeah, I know what it is, I was asking its name
[16:59]  * MartijnVdS fails reading
[16:59] <mgdm> hehe
[16:59]  * MartijnVdS will be going to the Spa GP \o/
[16:59] <MartijnVdS> f1
[16:59] <mgdm> nice
[17:15] <bigcalm> I used to use gkrellm for sensors and other graphs
[17:17] <czajkowski> bah yeah I need it for group chats
[17:18] <popey> surely you already had it installed?
[17:19] <directhex> MartijnVdS, considering how close i live to silverstone, and most of the uk motorsport headquarters, i should care more about f1
[17:23] <czajkowski> boo This application is not supported on this computer. Installation has been disabled.
[17:23] <czajkowski> brb
[17:25]  * brobostigon is equally in proximity, but cares for c++ and controller programming,
[17:28] <brobostigon> interesting thing about north oxfordshire.
[18:24] <knightwise> evening all
[18:24] <knightwise> does anybody know their way around the grub rescue menu ?
[18:26] <knightwise> I moved some partitions around and now my Ubuntu won't boot any more :(
[18:27] <SuperEngineer> erm - reinstall grub from live cd [or use boot-rescue live]?
[18:27] <SuperEngineer> knightwise ^
[18:28] <knightwise> do I need the 12.04 live cd for that ?
[18:28] <SuperEngineer> any live cd with relevant version of grub
[18:29] <knightwise> looking for one now, holdon
[18:29]  * SuperEngineer once resorted to using a copy of boot-rescue live cd... worked a treat]
[18:30] <SuperEngineer> but any relevant live cd with relevant grub
[18:30] <knightwise> ok , got a linux mint live cd here
[18:30] <knightwise> booting from it now
[18:30] <SuperEngineer> should do fine
[18:31] <knightwise> Thing is , i'm on a mac (dual booting osx and Ubuntu) and I resized (and moved around some partitions .
[18:31] <knightwise> and now my ubuntu partition no longer boots
[18:31] <SuperEngineer> ooooo
[18:31] <knightwise> ok , i've booted up into the mint live cd
[18:31] <SuperEngineer> never done this on a Mac
[18:32] <knightwise> shouldn't make a difference , it boots with REFIT first and then chainloads to grub
[18:32] <knightwise> and its jst the grub part thats broken.
[18:32] <SuperEngineer> ok, but maybe wait for an answer from a mac user?
[18:33] <knightwise> i've booted up into Linux Mint (live cd) .. now what do I do to reinstall grab
[18:33] <knightwise> SuperEngineer: nono, not and issue , the issue at hand is a pure linux issue
[18:33] <SuperEngineer> if you say so..
[18:33] <SuperEngineer> in which case...
[18:33] <SuperEngineer> open a terminal
[18:33] <SuperEngineer> ....
[18:33] <knightwise> terminal open
[18:34] <SuperEngineer> sudo grub-install /dev/sda  ... but is that ok on a mac?
[18:35] <knightwise> yep , thats ok
[18:35] <SuperEngineer> cool!
[18:35] <knightwise> i'll open up gparted first to see on what partion linux is installed
[18:35] <SuperEngineer> wise
[18:35] <knightwise> its on sda3
[18:36] <SuperEngineer> so /dev/sda it is
[18:36] <knightwise> failed to get canonical path of /cow
[18:36] <SuperEngineer> surely  you don't install grub to a partition?
[18:36] <knightwise> path /boot/grub is not readable by grub on boot installation is impossible
[18:37] <knightwise> I install grub on the / partition mostly
[18:37] <SuperEngineer> ermmm
[18:37] <knightwise> no ?
[18:37] <SuperEngineer> need advice from others really, personally I wouldn't install it to partition
[18:38] <SuperEngineer> unless mac needs things that way?
[18:38] <knightwise> the odd thing is , this used to work fine untill i did a resize with some partitions
[18:38] <SuperEngineer> anyone watching this and able to confirm/deny?
[18:39] <SuperEngineer> did the resize appear to go ok
[18:39] <knightwise> yep ,
[18:39] <SuperEngineer> in which case...
[18:40] <SuperEngineer> anyone watching this and able to confirm/deny install to disk v. install to partition
[18:40] <knightwise> wel .. /sda3 is a disk right ? or a partition
[18:40] <directhex> for dual booting on a mac, you should install grub to a partition header
[18:40] <SuperEngineer> partition
[18:40] <directhex> i.e. to sdaX, not sda
[18:40] <knightwise> I installed it to sda3
[18:40] <SuperEngineer> directhex: thanks
[18:45] <knightwise> I just used gparted to take a look at the partition and i remember it did give me an error that things could go pearshaped if you move the root partition
[18:45] <knightwise> it also says there is a way to fix it , it just doesnt elaborate
[18:50] <ali1234> what's a program that works exactly like make, but is more powerful?
[18:50] <ali1234> specifically i need regular expression rule matching
[18:54] <mgdm> ali1234: I like 'waf', in Python
[18:54] <mgdm> as it's Python you can do what you want with regexes, i guess
[19:05] <Goshawk> Hi guys, my CD drive wont open. Just comes up with 'Inappropriate ioctl for device'. Any ideas?
[19:15] <Darael> Goshawk: Hast tried it with the button that's presumably on it, or art using right-click/eject from the launcher? (Just trying to find out whether it's a pure software issue here)
[19:17] <Goshawk> Darael: Have tried both ways
[19:17] <Darael> Hmm.  That *is* odd.
[19:19] <mgdm> Oooh, hello
[19:19] <mgdm> never had the MBA fan fire up before, until I started compiling GTK+
[19:20] <Darael> Oh, GTK+...
[19:42] <bigcalm> I appear to have lost the audio notification icon
[19:42] <bigcalm> How irritating
[20:06] <diplo> Recommendations of where to get SSL certs from ?
[20:07] <diplo> Cheap* :)
[20:07] <diplo> Personal site
[20:07] <MartijnVdS> startssl
[20:08] <MartijnVdS> they have a free tier
[20:08] <MartijnVdS> cheap enough :)
[20:08] <MartijnVdS> ?
[20:09] <diplo> https://www.startssl.com/ ?
[20:09] <diplo> Not worried about free, just don't want to spend £100 a year
[20:09] <MartijnVdS> that's the one
[20:11] <bigcalm> What's wrong with self-signed? ;)
[20:11] <diplo> Don't want friends / family to have to accept the old not verified
[20:14] <bigcalm> Get them to import the cert into their web browsers
[20:14] <MartijnVdS> hence startssl :)
[20:14] <bigcalm> Bah, too easy :P
[20:14] <MartijnVdS> A few registrars also give 1 year free SSL cert with a domain
[20:14]  * MartijnVdS uses gandi.net for all
[20:16] <diplo> I've just moved a domain to them, hadn't checked their site yet
[20:22] <diplo> Hmm, free for the first year when i transfer to gandi, can't remember them offering that when moving my other domain
[20:28] <diplo> Can I move certs from servers to servers easily enough? Never used certs properly
[20:28] <MartijnVdS> yeah, server to server is fine, as long as the hostname is the same
[20:28] <diplo> So basically I want to test on a local server and then move to a VPS when I get some more cash
[20:28] <diplo> yeah will be set up the same
[20:29] <diplo> Cool ta
[20:29] <MartijnVdS> np :)


[00:04] <nubae> so being a member of edubuntu bugsquad means one gets all bug reports from a seed in edubuntu :-)
[00:04] <nubae> straight to one's email box
[00:04] <nubae> love it
[00:05] <LaserJock> well, we have to specify the packages, but yeah
[00:05] <nubae> I suppose its the only way to keep updated
[00:06] <LaserJock> they don't change all that often
[00:06] <LaserJock> so it generally works
[00:58] <nothingman> sorry, had to leave the library
[00:58] <nothingman> now I'm home and on to stay
[00:58] <nothingman> so where's that list of tasks?
[00:59] <LaserJock> nothingman: we're still building it: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/Devel/RoadMap
[00:59] <LaserJock> nothingman: what kinds of things are you interested in?
[01:00] <nubae> but for one, we could do with adding recommended apps in particular areas to the edubuntu wiki
[01:00] <nubae> with a comparison to what one would normally use under windows and what the replacement app is under linux
[01:01] <LaserJock> right
[01:01] <nubae> I think we really need to target price concsious windows users looking for alternatives
[01:02] <nubae> thats why I think wubi is important on the cd too
[01:02] <nothingman> whose site is titled, "Careful with that axe, Eugene!"?
[01:02] <nubae> ?
[01:02] <LaserJock> nothingman: that's sbalneav's
[01:02] <nubae> ah :-)
[01:06] <nothingman> gotcha
[01:08] <nothingman> have any of you heard of the Syracuse, NY company making "Fiddlehead" machines?
[01:08] <nothingman> basically multiseat Linux with a python script to load VirtualBox with any OS inside
[01:10] <LaserJock> I've not heard of that
[01:13] <nothingman> now that I'm home, I got one of the laptops so I could enter the serial number on nexlink's web site
[01:13] <nothingman> "no downloads found" is the only reply I get for typing it in
[01:14] <nothingman> does anyone know who makes the H2Insyde BIOSes?  my laptops use it, and some netbooks do
[01:16] <nothingman> the Acer Aspire One, for instance
[01:27] <LaserJock> nothingman: I don't, do you have an Aspire One?
[01:34] <nothingman> no, but I work at RadioShack, and we have one there
[01:34] <nothingman> so I've been studying it like mad
[01:35] <LaserJock> cool
[01:35] <nothingman> oh, never mind
[01:36] <nothingman> the stupid logo has a circle
[01:36] <nothingman> it's also out of order
[01:36] <nothingman> I thought maybe it was h2o insyde
[01:36] <nothingman> it's "insyde h2o"
[01:37] <LaserJock> I've been reading Christopher Dawsons ZDNet Education blog
[01:37] <LaserJock> he just got one
[01:37] <LaserJock> http://education.zdnet.com/?p=2018
[01:38] <nubae> I tested a couple of them for olpc.at
[01:38] <nubae> runs ubuntu real fast and works wonderfully with sugar
[01:38] <nubae> best netbook on the market right now
[01:39] <LaserJock> nubae: have you tried the Dell Mini 9 as well?
[01:39] <nubae> nope...
[01:55] <nothingman> nice
[02:30] <nothingman> so, I installed Ubuntu LTSP from the Alternative disk
[02:30] <nothingman> onto an older Dell
[02:30] <nothingman> plenty of RAM, Intel graphics
[02:33] <nothingman> it freezes when I log in
[02:33] <nothingman> any thoughts
[02:37] <LaserJock> nothingman: on the client or on the server?
[02:50] <nothingman> on the server, actually
[02:51] <LaserJock> hmm, that doesn't sound good
[02:52] <LaserJock> you might google around a bit for the Dell model  and ask #ubuntu
[02:52] <LaserJock> i gotta run though so I'm not much help :(
[02:52] <nothingman> no prob
[02:52] <nothingman> was nice chatting!
[02:53] <nothingman> my email's joshuaalm AT liamg.moc
[02:53] <nothingman> I know the bot's working, so...
[16:59] <LaserJock> == Edubuntu meeting in 1hr! ==
[17:00] <nubae1> :-)
[17:01] <LaserJock> I thought it was going to be in like 4 hours, don't know what I was thinking
[17:04] <sbalneav> LaserJock: Here?  Or in #ubuntu-meeting
[17:04] <LaserJock> in #ubuntu-meeting
[17:04] <LaserJock> so it gets logged there
[17:08]  * LaserJock frantically trying to finish the strategy doc
[18:02] <LaserJock> everybody ready for the meeting?
[18:03] <nubae1> yup
[18:07] <sbalneav> LaserJock: Ready, willing and able
[18:08] <LaserJock> ok everybody ---> #ubuntu-meeting
[18:11] <LaserJock> RichEd: ping
[18:11] <RichEd> LaserJock: pong
[18:12] <RichEd> and a happy new year etc.
[18:15] <Lns> is this chan like, hanging out in the hallway during class?
[18:27] <sbalneav> Smokers hallway
[18:30] <Lns> heh
[18:47] <Ahmuck> meeting now ?
[18:47] <Ahmuck> here ?
[18:47] <LaserJock> in #ubuntu-meeting
[18:47] <LaserJock> alkisg:  ^^
[18:47] <alkisg> Ah, right, thanks! :)
[19:59] <LaserJock> I'm gonna have to go mostly IRC-silent for a while
[20:00] <LaserJock> I really really gotta get this dissertation done and IRC is a wonderful time sink
[20:01] <LaserJock> I'll be in good email contact though
[20:01] <LaserJock> nubae: this is part of my "get edubuntu-devel jumpstarted" plan ;-)
[21:11] <Ahmuck> sorry, i had to step away
[21:11] <Ahmuck> from the meeting
[21:19] <LaserJock> calimer: you around?
[21:19] <calimer> yep, hi!
[21:20] <LaserJock> calimer: I'm just watching the Sandbox youtube tutorial
[21:20] <LaserJock> very nifty stuff
[21:20] <calimer> ah awesome
[21:20] <calimer> btw we have an edubuntu version just sitting and waiting
[21:20] <LaserJock> a package?
[21:20] <calimer> I really want it in there but the person packaging it is taking a while
[21:21] <calimer> this is a version that meets debian free standards
[21:21] <LaserJock> do you know if the person was able to get a package onto REVU?
[21:21] <calimer> they just have been "busy" I guess, for some time
[21:22] <calimer> I think you gave me a bunch of recommendations previously that I wrote down as far as people that might help package it
[21:22] <calimer> I need to track them down
[21:22] <calimer> I have personally used it to teach in various schools and the kids LOVE it, and this is elementary kids to college
[21:23] <LaserJock> cool yeah, let's target getting that into Universe for Jaunty
[21:23] <calimer> if you check out the sandbox interview there is some work from the kids at the summer camp
[21:23] <Ahmuck> link to video ?
[21:23] <calimer> I don't know what that means but I'm on board!
[21:24] <calimer> here is the tutorial
[21:24] <calimer> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g44Ww2bg2_E
[21:24] <LaserJock> Feature Freeze is Feburary 19th so we need a package a bit before then
[21:24] <calimer> and here is the interview
[21:24] <calimer> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WztnXKda4fI
[21:24] <calimer> if you have any specific e-mail addresses I can hit I will send it out today
[21:25] <calimer> as a note I started working on this for kids that were in my after school program at an elementary school
[21:25] <calimer> so for me the reward really is just getting it to the kids
[21:25] <LaserJock> calimer: basically we need to get the package up for review by the MOTU before the 19th, preferably at least a week before
[21:25] <calimer> well I have the zip just sitting there, it just needs to be packaged
[21:25] <calimer> and maybe 2.3 can get packaged in the non free version?
[21:25] <sbalneav> LaserJock: You pingied me?
[21:26] <LaserJock> sbalneav: yeah, just wanted to catch up
[21:26] <calimer> or repo i mean
[21:26] <sbalneav> I'm at work atm, you gonna be on tonight?
[21:26] <LaserJock> calimer: how non-free is it? can we distribute it freely?
[21:26] <LaserJock> sbalneav: yeah
[21:27] <calimer> 2.3 has some content that doesn't fit the debian free license
[21:27] <calimer> but yeah you can distribute it freely
[21:27] <LaserJock> ok, then I think that should be ok for Multiverse
[21:27] <calimer> I also came across an awesome site recently that has all debian free textures
[21:27] <calimer> so I want to update the debian free version with those textures if I can
[21:28] <LaserJock> I would suggest first doing the free one, then the non-free version should be pretty easy
[21:28] <calimer> openfootage.net I think for anyone else
[21:28] <calimer> is there anyone you know that you think would do it?
[21:28] <calimer> the packages from my end are all set
[21:28] <LaserJock> let me poke #ubuntu-motu a little
[21:28] <calimer> but they need to be converted into the linux packaging deal that I don't know much about
[21:29] <calimer> I should probably update the code database for the free one at some point
[21:29] <calimer> it might take some time though
[21:46] <LaserJock> calimer: do you have a download link for your dfsg-free version?
[21:46] <LaserJock> calimer: is it possible to create the free version from your regular version?
[21:47] <calimer> not a public one but yeah its on my webpage, let me grab the link
[21:47] <calimer> its kinda old codebase wise
[21:48] <calimer> but I don't know how long it would take me to update it
[21:48] <calimer> and this is a lot better than nothing
[21:48] <calimer> and anyone if they really like it they can just get the 2.3 version :D
[21:48] <calimer> http://platinumarts.net/sandboxlite2.1TEST1.zip
[21:50] <LaserJock> now this version pretty much is just missing "content" stuff, right?
[21:51] <calimer> yeah it basically has all the non debian free content removed
[21:51] <calimer> and it is an older codebase
[21:52] <LaserJock> so Sauerbraten and Cube2 source is debian free?
[21:52] <calimer> yeah zlib
[21:53] <calimer> for some reason that version that page seems like it is dated much older than it should be
[21:53] <calimer> er
[21:53] <calimer> that file I mean
[21:53] <calimer> but I'm pretty sure that's where I put the updated version
[21:54] <calimer> I had to update the license to meet all the good ol debian free stuff
[21:54] <calimer> and had some help
[21:55] <LaserJock> there's still some stuff that we might need to take care of
[21:56] <calimer> yeah that's fine I'm willing to do whatever
[21:58] <LaserJock> how do I build this thing? :-)
[21:59] <calimer> there is a makefile
[22:00] <calimer> in src
[22:01] <LaserJock> ok right, I see it
[22:04] <LaserJock> calimer: you might want to email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:04] <calimer> okay
[22:04] <LaserJock> I'd love to package this up for you but I really just don't have time unfortunately
[22:04] <calimer> how long does it usually take?
[22:04] <LaserJock> that varies tremendously
[22:05] <LaserJock> from real fast to ..... forever :-)
[22:05] <LaserJock> but I'll try to put some pressure on it ;-)
[22:05] <calimer> I just want to get it out to the gremlins :)
[22:05] <LaserJock> yeah
[22:05] <calimer> I get to watch them use it first hand and see how happy they get, both boys and girls
[22:06] <calimer> so it is really rewarding to hear about other kids enjoying it too
[22:06] <calimer> going to put that message to the ubuntu list on the todo
[22:07] <calimer> I think if I can update the codebase that'd be awesome
[22:07] <calimer> even if it has textures that aren't super pretty at least it has all the features
[22:07] <calimer> and people can always add in their own easily
[22:07] <calimer> relatively easily anyway :D
[22:08] <LaserJock> well, getting something in helps
[22:08] <LaserJock> people can try it out, get excited, etc.
[22:08] <calimer> yeah and even just check out the videos
[22:08] <LaserJock> even if it's slightly outdated to start with
[22:09] <LaserJock> it's fairly easy to update things
[22:09] <calimer> yeah people were into much older versions of what was in that code
[22:09] <calimer> especially if we can make it obvious that 2.3 also exists
[22:11] <calimer> my local library is interested too and I want to try to get it in the local museum because it can be used to recreate historical landscapes
[22:11] <calimer> people could take a 3D tour through historical sites


[14:00] <xu-irc24w> Since I upgraded to xubuntu 22.04, my bluetooth manager exits immediately on launch. I verified that the bluetooth servis is running and active. but blueman wont load normally and no icon in the task bar for it either


[11:40] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 @RikMills ibus-qt4 libibus-qt1 <— this 2 packages is no longer required in Eoan?
 nope :)
 ok thanks !
 btw, is there a way / how to check the packages is no longer required ?
 sudo apt autoremove


[00:29] <kenvandine> jgdx, yes, content-hub does support picking contacts
[01:57] <hevyhomie> hello anyone there know what this means: build/core/product_config.mk:222: *** Can not locate config makefile for product "cm_condor".  Stop.  ** Don't have a product spec for: 'cm_condor' ** Do you have the right repo manifest?
[07:04] <sturmflut2> good morning
[07:05] <sturmflut2> What exactly is "full shell rotation"? Does that mean that unity8, scopes etc. will also rotate if the device is rotated?
[07:09] <ogra_> sturmflut2, right ... and the panel etc
[07:10] <ogra_> (and ... most importantly, your input gestures)
[07:10] <cedian_linux> I did what jjohansen and ogra_ said, but still gives these errors:
[07:10] <cedian_linux> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11694728/
[07:26] <cedian_linux> I did what ogra_ and jjohansen said, but these pastes contain the errors http://paste.ubuntu.com/11694757/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/11694728/
[07:43] <ogra_> cedian_linux, well, you probably want to run something like "make clean" ... though i see you are working on a port for the oneplus, i think there is a semi-workin one already made by mariogrip
[07:43] <cedian_linux> I'm working with mariogrip
[07:44] <ogra_> ah, well, perhaps he can tell you wahts wrong, i know he built the kernel multiple times before (you kind of have to when you do a port)
[07:44] <cedian_linux> Yeah, I know
[08:12] <cedian_linux> ogra_ I've seen the kernel also fails to build on his jenkins server
[08:15] <cedian_linux> can this one be used, already? linux-apparmor-backports
[08:38] <seb128> mzanetti, oh, we have contacts browsing over bluetooth working? I though that was a todo
[08:39] <mzanetti> seb128, I was totally surprised when I saw it
[08:39] <mzanetti> but works fine with my Car
[08:39] <seb128> nice
[08:39] <seb128> need to try that :-)
[08:39] <mzanetti> I think it's working over HFP though
[08:39] <mzanetti> not PBAP
[08:39] <seb128> mzanetti, the "can't pick call" he mentioned is likely bug #1453004
[08:40] <mzanetti> i.e. no contacts pictures and some other advanced features of PBAP not there obviously
[08:40] <seb128> k
[08:40] <mzanetti> but good enough for now I'd say
[08:40] <mzanetti> AVRCP would be more important
[08:40] <seb128> well having the phone numbers and being able to dial one is the most useful part
[08:46] <victor_bq> hi all, does anybody knows if SAP or rSAP is supported already?
[08:47] <victor_bq> or if it will be implemented soon?
[08:54] <sturmflut2> mzanetti: I was already happy when A2DP worked out of the box, didn't even know that AVRCP existed
[08:54] <mzanetti> huh
[08:55] <mzanetti> it's quite odd to pul out the phone, unlock it, go to the music app and skip a song, when your headphones would have a skip button :D
[08:55] <mzanetti> but hey, I can pick up calls with that headphone :D
[08:59] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Ferris Bueller Day! 😃
[09:09] <cotton> hello everyone :) any other news about ota-4 update release date?
[09:09] <cotton> thanks
[09:12] <cedian_linux> I just added a temporary fix to fix errors, I added direct paths for now
[09:13] <cedian_linux> It's compiling more than first
[09:27] <cedian_linux> It looks like it'll work
[10:37] <BonobosSake> Hi i've a problem i made my porting but my phone can't use fastboot so i can't flash with it ...
[10:50] <fooloop> hi guys, does anyone know how to avoid using ubuntu one to install apps on a ubuntu phone? I kind of want to option to not or selectively use the cloud or be able to have opencloud or sommat instead (in the long run, I realise this is not realistic yet)
[10:51] <popey> fooloop: no, you need a U1 account to use the store
[10:51] <fooloop> are there ways to get free apps without the store? Like I dunno, an fdroid for ubuntu? :D
[10:52] <fooloop> basically all I want is a terminal hahaha
[10:52] <fooloop> how is that not standard?? :P
[10:53] <popey> heh
[10:53] <popey> you could grab the source and build the click package yourself
[10:53] <popey> and side load it onto the device
[10:53] <popey> (ugh, I said "side load")
[10:54] <davmor2> popey: you meant moo cow it obviously
[10:55] <fooloop> ok, am new to this phone/ubuntu thing, I have a laptop at home running archlinux.
[10:55] <fooloop> do I build from the phone or from my box and then upload via usb?
[10:55] <popey> there is another way
[10:55] <popey> :)
[10:55] <fooloop> awesome :)
[10:56] <popey> http://popey.mooo.com/mirror/clicks/2015/06/2015-06-11-050001/com.ubuntu.terminal_0.7.74_armhf.click
[10:56] <popey> get that
[10:56] <popey> adb push com.ubuntu.terminal_0.7.74_armhf.click
[10:56] <popey> adb shell
[10:56] <popey> pkcon install-local --allow-untrusted com.ubuntu.terminal_0.7.74_armhf.click
[10:56] <popey> job done.
[10:57] <davmor2> or just create an u1 account install it and done that way you'll get updates for it too :)
[10:57] <fooloop> it better be open, I will want to read what crazy shit I am putting on my device :P
[10:58] <popey> hah
[10:58] <fooloop> yeah I could do that, I don't know what else it decides to do automagically though, does it immediately sync everything?
[10:58] <popey> no
[10:59] <fooloop> [literally just unpacked it pretty much, it still has the plastic sheet on the display]
[10:59] <fooloop> I'll probably run a wireshark on it later today
[10:59] <fooloop> or something
[10:59] <popey> that would be an interesting exerecise.
[11:00] <popey> there's a couple of settings in System Settings -> Security & Privacy you might want to switch off, if you don't want it "Phoning home" or whatever
[11:00] <fooloop> *nods*
[11:00] <fooloop> I will check it out. Hey thanks btw, you're really helpful!
[11:01] <popey> You're welcome.
[11:01] <popey> You caught me on a good day ㋛
[11:01] <fooloop> mind if I lurk here for a bit? I am sure this won't be my last question.  I'll never get time to actually work on it, so it'll just fester in the back of my mind and slowly drive me insane. 😉
[11:16] <sturmflut2> JamesTait: You can always play "Don't Crash" to speed up the "going insane" part
[11:16] <davmor2> JamesTait: I'm sorry are you still under the impression that you are sane?
[11:16] <popey> nice pimping :)
[11:17] <davmor2> popey: I thought you just crashed cars if you get to pimp them too I'm all for playing it ;)
[11:17] <popey> :þ
[11:17] <JamesTait> davmor2, it's all relative.
[11:19] <davmor2> JamesTait: That's true, you have kids they might not be insane can we talk to them instead :D
[11:20] <Mirv> niemeyer: any idea if this armhf ftbfs related to missing GLdouble on arm is something that could be fixed in qml.v1 git? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/208829732/buildlog_ubuntu-wily-armhf.ciborium_0.2.12%2B15.10.20150611-0ubuntu1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[11:20] <JamesTait> davmor2, it's only a matter of time. 😉
[11:20] <Mirv> (builds on x86)
[11:21] <davmor2> JamesTait: good man you bring them up right and they too can have a nervous tick ;)
[11:21]  * JamesTait twitches
[11:21] <JamesTait> Who? Me?
[11:23] <fooloop> http://notyetthere.org/openstore-tweakgeek-and-more/ <--- anyone looked into this?
[11:24] <jgdx> mpt, hi, checkboxes on the left, to confirm? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PhoneApp?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=phone-settings-call-forwarding-some.png
[11:27] <popey> fooloop: yeah, i use it
[11:27] <popey> fooloop: mainly to force the terminal to stay alive when not focussed. works well.
[11:27] <mpt> jgdx, just follow the toolkit default. I’m still working on getting the default position changed. :-)
[11:27] <popey> (tweakgeek that is)
[11:27] <jgdx> mpt, rog
[11:28] <jgdx> mpt, at the very least follow text direction
[11:29] <mpt> jgdx, that’s an independent issue — if they should be on the left in LTR languages then they should be on the right in RTL, and vice versa
[11:29] <fooloop> popey: :)
[11:29] <fooloop> cool, I will have to add that to my list of things to look at
[11:29] <popey> it's handy if you want to leave an ssh session open on your phone
[11:32] <popey> like this http://people.canonical.com/~alan/screenshots/device-2015-06-11-123200.png
[11:32] <popey> :)
[11:34] <davmor2> popey: weirdo
[11:34] <sturmflut2> popey: You can also unlock the phone and use phablet-shell once, it will start an SSH server and set up an ADB port forwarding that stays alive as long as the USB cable is connected
[11:34] <popey> oh nice
[11:34] <sturmflut2> popey: http://sturmflut.github.io/ubuntu/touch/2015/05/08/hacking-ubuntu-touch-part-5-adb-shell-vs-phablet-shell/ at the bottom
[11:35] <sturmflut2> (I really DO have a blog article for everything)
[11:36] <sturmflut2> Oooh, Calendar app update!
[12:06] <fooloop> hmm Ican't find in my privacy settings to turn off cloud backups ..
[12:13] <fooloop> so accounts is not 'online' accounts.. I guess..
[12:13] <sturmflut2> fooloop: We have cloud backups?
[12:14] <fooloop> I don't know, I am trying to find out whether it does that default every other phone thing of backing up your personals to a cloud server
[12:14] <fooloop> There is a part of the privacy agreement that stipulates 'online accounts' but I can't find a lot about the details
[12:15] <fooloop> It does not feel very transparent but potentially it's just me being thick :/
[12:19] <popey> fooloop: no, we dont backup automatically
[12:20] <fooloop> really? wow..
[12:20] <fooloop> thanks
[12:46] <cedian_linux> virt_to_bus keeps giving errors at ambassador.h http://paste.ubuntu.com/11696011/
[12:48] <cedian_linux> the full code: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11696018/
[12:49] <sturmflut2> cedian_linux: I highly doubt that you need this driver on your phone
[12:49] <cedian_linux> ok thanks
[12:49] <cedian_linux> but what should I do with it, to not compile it?
[12:49] <sturmflut2> I highly doubt you will be needing *any* ATM on your phone
[12:49] <sturmflut2> cedian_linux: edit the kernel configuration file or use "make menuconfig"
[12:50] <cedian_linux> menuconfig fails
[12:50] <sturmflut2> which error?
[12:51] <cedian_linux> I'll post it soon
[13:04] <sturmflut2> popey: https://github.com/Sturmflut/ubuntu-html5-webview-template
[13:05] <popey> i see references to pandas :)
[13:05] <sturmflut2> Argh, right
[13:05] <sturmflut2> Saw it at the exact same moment
[13:07] <sturmflut2> fixed
[13:16] <Elleo> kenvandine: heya, I'm wondering if instead of, or possible in addition to the "All" type, we should have an "AllFiles" type? since things like filemanager/files-app that might want to register for all won't want be able to accept or provide things like links
[13:16] <kenvandine> not sure what you mean
[13:16] <kenvandine> oh
[13:16] <kenvandine> i see what you mean
[13:17] <kenvandine> all content != all files
[13:17] <mpt> charles, who is providing the timestamp in <https://launchpadlibrarian.net/206153952/screenshot20151204_001239822.png>?
[13:17] <kenvandine> Elleo, that is much more complicated...
[13:17] <mpt> Is it unity8, or indicator-messages, or something else?
[13:18] <Elleo> kenvandine: yeah, as it doesn't make much sense for the files app to appear in the picker when you're trying to share a link for example
[13:18] <kenvandine> yeah
[13:18] <kenvandine> i see your point
[13:18] <seb128> mpt, trying to open a bug about that?
[13:18] <mpt> seb128, no, it’s from bug 1453689
[13:19] <kenvandine> Elleo, we'd need some mapping of well-known types to files and !files
[13:19] <seb128> mpt, k, I was going to say it's filed ;-)
[13:19] <kenvandine> Elleo, although it won't appear for sharing a link, but it would for opening a link
[13:20] <kenvandine> i didn't add "all" for share handlers
[13:20] <Elleo> ah, right
[13:20] <kenvandine> but we could still run into this
[13:21] <Elleo> alternatively we could actually have files app try to handle those cases, by e.g. saving a text file containing the link or something (same for the text type); not sure that'd be very useful though
[13:21] <kenvandine> the transfer could end up with serialized content, for example renatu wants to send vcards without files
[13:21] <kenvandine> Elleo, it could be for vcards :)
[13:21] <Elleo> yeah
[13:22] <kenvandine> right now he creates a vcard file just for the transfer
[13:22] <kenvandine> that was one of the use cases for the serialized content
[13:22] <kenvandine> but that breaks when trying to send it to a file :)
[13:22] <Elleo> maybe that should be handled in the content-hub
[13:22] <seb128> mpt, it's likely on the right package
[13:23] <Elleo> if an app tries to read the file url from a serialized transfer then content-hub automatically saves it out to a file
[13:23] <kenvandine> Elleo, that was one of the ideas i had for the content store api
[13:23] <kenvandine> saving a content item to a content store
[13:23] <Elleo> ah, cool
[13:23] <kenvandine> would actually save the file
[13:23] <seb128> mpt, libmessaging-menu has apis used by client to add messages, there is a variant which let you specify a timestamp, otherwise it uses the current one
[13:23] <kenvandine> but... that is all just ideas with now plans to implement :)
[13:24] <kenvandine> saving a content item to a store, if it was already a file it would just link it
[13:24] <seb128> mpt, ubuntu-push seems to use the variant without timestamp, so I guess the issue is on the indicator side
[13:24] <kenvandine> if it wasn't, it would write it out to a file
[13:24] <kenvandine> Elleo, i think that would be a very slick feature :)
[13:24] <Elleo> yeah
[13:25] <kenvandine> and the content item knowns the type
[13:26] <seb128> mpt, or maybe the issue is that the messages arrive before midnight but there is a delay in the service
[13:26] <kenvandine> Elleo, i also think it could be cool if the files-app was really a ContentStore browser :)
[13:26] <kenvandine> not a file system browser
[13:26] <kenvandine> but that really needs more thought than we've already put into this
[13:27] <Elleo> kenvandine: not sure entirely what that would entail; would it then be able to browse the contentstores belonging to all the apps?
[13:27] <kenvandine> no... only the ones it had access too
[13:27] <kenvandine> so the user scope for pictures
[13:27] <kenvandine> for example
[13:28] <kenvandine> which would be ~/Pictures
[13:28] <kenvandine> but it could include more
[13:28] <kenvandine> if there was other locations
[13:29] <Elleo> ah, okay; well that's sort of what it does at the moment, only by limiting the browsing to those specific directories rather than retrieving them as content stores, so should be easy to change that mechanism under the hood
[13:29] <kenvandine> Elleo, it would be an abstraction point for the special mount points that the container has
[13:29] <kenvandine> and apps could use them the same way, but restricted to the app scope
[13:29] <kenvandine> so the API would be the same, but filtered by scope
[13:30] <Elleo> right, sounds good
[13:30] <kenvandine> so many ideas... so little time :)
[13:31] <mpt> tedg, hi, did you see this question about the URL dispatcher? There are no replies. <https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg12886.html>
[13:31] <Elleo> heh, yeah
[13:32] <tedg> mpt, I saw it, but it's not a question about the URL dispatcher, it's a question about the webapp container.
[13:32] <tedg> mpt, It is basically "when do my URLs jump out"
[13:32] <tedg> mpt, I don't know the answer :-)
[13:33] <tedg> mpt, I'd be willing to bet that alexabreu probably does though.
[13:34] <alexabreu> tedg, mpt oh that's an oldie, I missed that one ... I'll answer it
[13:35] <alexabreu> tedg, the answer is "when it is asked not to" :) ... basically you can supply a list of patterns that define the set of urls you app is constrained to
[13:40] <mpt> Thanks alexabreu
[13:46] <Mirv> jhodapp: a reminder to put bug #1377015 / https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-41054 patch upstream via their git codereview
[13:46] <jhodapp> Mirv, yeah, it's on my list...just a low priority atm :)
[13:46] <jhodapp> Mirv, thanks for the reminder though
[13:47] <Mirv> jhodapp: no problem
[13:48] <Sleep_Walker> are you aware of problem with ocasional not showing incomming call dialog?
[13:49] <Sleep_Walker> last time happend while I was playing `Machines vs. Machines' (btw. damn addictive and hard game :)
[13:55] <ogra_> Sleep_Walker, there is a bug open for that, and there was a discussion on the ML about it today
[13:55] <Sleep_Walker> OK, another ML to subscribe
[13:55] <ogra_> (though you seem to only be the second person that has seen that issue yet)
[13:56] <Sleep_Walker> I have seen it before update annoyingly often
[13:56] <ogra_> (but perhaps others just dont speak up, who knows)
[13:56] <Sleep_Walker> after update I thought it was fixed but I met it today again
[13:56] <Sleep_Walker> (when my boss called :D )
[13:56] <ogra_> what do you have then, a completely black screen ?
[13:57] <Sleep_Walker> usually just last application is visible
[13:57] <ogra_> you dont use a lock screen ?
[13:57] <Sleep_Walker> I use
[13:57] <Sleep_Walker> btw. I have to unlock it during the call
[13:58] <ogra_> you should just be able to swipe to pick it up
[13:58] <Sleep_Walker> whole dialog just doesn't appear
[13:58] <Sleep_Walker> so no slider to answer/reject the call
[13:58] <ogra_> yes, i meant when it works
[13:58] <ogra_> you shouldnt need to unlock for picking up
[13:58] <Sleep_Walker> ah ok
[14:02] <cedian_linux> do i need nouveau?
[14:04] <cedian_linux> I mean gpu/drm/nouveau and gpu/drm?
[14:12] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, I just posted a new comment on https://code.launchpad.net/~uriboni/webbrowser-app/keyboard-navigation/+merge/260183
[14:13] <heyvhomie> good afternoon/evening. I am trying to port touch to moto e according to  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting I am having problems with the build. build/core/product_config.mk:222: *** Can not locate config makefile for product "condor".  Stop.  ** Don't have a product spec for: 'condor' ** Do you have the right repo manifest?
[14:13] <sturmflut2> pmcgowan: I just looked at your "Bug Management" karma and it blew my mind
[14:14] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: thanks, i will tackle that together with bill's concerns on the find in page
[14:16] <pmcgowan> sturmflut2, hah, bugs are my life man
[14:17] <sturmflut2> pmcgowan: I know, I constantly see your name in all those e-mails from Launchpad
[14:26] <cedian_linux> I'll built a pretty basic kernel, which might work
[14:28] <Mirv> mandel: niemeyer: I guess what would be needed would be a variant of http://paste.ubuntu.com/11696529/ applied to the qml.v1/gl
[14:28] <popey> cedian_linux: what device?
[14:28] <cedian_linux> oneplus one
[14:28] <popey> cedian_linux: nice. a couple of other people have attempted that
[14:28] <popey> I think mariogrip is one
[14:29] <cedian_linux> not too basic, but there were things that didn't work out, I'm working together with mariogrip
[14:29] <popey> he's got a working kernel, but I think 3g didnt work
[14:29] <popey> great!
[14:29] <popey> \o/
[14:31] <cedian_linux> and apparmor, but the kernel build failed most of the time
[14:31] <cedian_linux> what's dvb
[14:33] <ogra_> TV cards
[14:34] <cedian_linux> thanks
[14:35] <cedian_linux> and ir decoders?
[14:37] <niemeyer_> Mirv: The gl package there is generated out of gl.xml.. it shouldn't use that constant if it's not supposed to be available
[14:38] <niemeyer_> Mirv: and this seems to find nothing there:
[14:38] <niemeyer_> grep 'GL_DOUBLE\|GL_FLOAT' ~/src/gopkg.in/qml.v1/gl/*.*/*.go
[14:39] <Mirv> niemeyer_: right. the build failure of missing GLdouble on arm only just reminded me of a similar problem in completely different context
[14:39] <niemeyer_> Mirv: Ah, right.. it does use GLdouble and GLfloat
[14:47] <gogis_> hey guys
[14:48] <gogis_> is there anybody??
[14:48] <k1l> some are
[14:48] <cedian_linux> yes i'm here
[14:48] <gogis_> I came here to ask if I can somehow help with the development of ubuntu
[14:50] <gogis_> do you guys contribute to ubuntu development?
[14:50] <popey> sure do!
[14:50] <dobey> i'm not anybody :)
[14:51] <gogis_> okay, so what do you do? :)
[14:51] <popey> What would you like to do?
[14:53] <gogis_> something connected to programming... I just finished high school and would like to acquire some experience... I'm not new to programming, but I lack some experience with serious projects
[14:53] <dobey> gogis_: this channel is primarily about development of the phone images of ubuntu
[14:53] <popey> What languages do you know?
[14:53] <ogra_> sigh, so now calendar notifications dont generate persistent entires in the message menu anymore ?
[14:53] <gogis_> I have done algorithm competitions mostly in my free time
[14:53] <ogra_> does anyone know if thats on purpose ?
[14:54] <popey> they dont?
[14:54]  * ogra_ would like to know when he missed an appointment
[14:54] <popey> calendar has never used the message menu
[14:54] <popey> only the indicator-datetime
[14:54] <ogra_> i just got a notification (on both phones) for a meeting in 10min
[14:54] <dobey> gogis_: if you want to discuss more general development of ubuntu, such as you run on your pc currently, then #ubuntu-devel or #ubuntu-desktop might be a better place to discuss :)
[14:54] <ogra_> and they used to result in a blinking led and green envelope before
[14:55] <gogis_> I know C/++, Python, Pascal, quite Java... I also understand Assembly and I can learn other languages quickly
[14:55] <cedian_linux> shineled fails
[14:55] <davmor2> dobey: no you are that body not any right :)
[14:56] <sturmflut2> gogis_: this is a special channel for Ubuntu on phones and tablets. You might want to start at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment
[14:58] <cedian_linux> can someone look at this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11696697/ ?
[15:01] <sturmflut2> cedian_linux: Hm, "shineled" doesn't seem to be part of the vanilla kernel. Is this an Android- oder vendor-only driver?
[15:01] <cedian_linux> android
[15:02] <ogra_> makes the led shine :)
[15:03] <cedian_linux> It looks like it won't build the built-in.o in shineled, but I can't find out why
[15:03] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: what do you think of making F11 and CTRL+H toggles, on top of allowing exiting full screen and history with ESC ?
[15:05] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, F11 should definitely be a toggle, and I don’t mind if Ctrl+H is a toggle too (although that sounds less natural to me)
[15:06] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: ok
[15:06] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: ill just do f11
[15:08] <cedian_linux> my makefile sturmflut2: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11696741/
[15:10] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: also, if we are in history view or in settings AND in fullscreen, do you think esc should exit both ?
[15:10] <sturmflut2> cedian_linux: That's the default Linux kernel Makefile, from what I know about kernel development you might rather look at linux/drivers/misc/Makefile or something around that location
[15:11] <cedian_linux> thanks
[15:11] <sturmflut2> cedian_linux: apparently it tries to link the shineled object file, but it was never built?
[15:11] <cedian_linux> no never built
[15:12] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: and finally, but i think you knew this already, escaping fullscreen from the new tab view is impossible since the focus will be permanently on the textfield
[15:12] <cedian_linux> here the other makefile from that directory http://paste.ubuntu.com/11696753/
[15:14] <cedian_linux> I commented the lastpart out it works
[15:14] <sturmflut2> cedian_linux: Hmmm, in that case there might be a broken Makefile in linux/drivers/misc/shineled/ ?
[15:15] <cedian_linux> but got another error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11696765/
[15:16] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, not sure I understand, how could the new tab view be fullscreen? I mean it doesn’t make sense to allow it to go fullscreen, does it?
[15:16] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: well, you are in fullscreen on a page, then switch tab to a new tab page
[15:17] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: ctrl+tab to switch tabs can land you on a new tab page, ctrl+t while in fullscreen also
[15:17] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, then those actions should result in leaving fullscreen mode
[15:18] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: great
[15:19] <oSoMoN> mandel, hey, could https://launchpad.net/bugs/1463559 be a bug in udm, by any chance?
[15:22] <cedian_linux> it's going on with compiling
[15:24] <oSoMoN> dpm, hey, we’re having an issue with oxide translations in the langpacks, can you advise?
[15:24] <dpm> oSoMoN, about to enter a call, but please let me know the details and I'll answer when I'm back
[15:25] <oSoMoN> dpm, oxide generates translations under /usr/share/locale/$LANG/LC_MESSAGES/oxide-qt.mo, they are being stripped off the deb by pkgstriptranslations, and they end up in the langpack under /usr/share/locale-langpack/$LANG/LC_MESSAGES/oxide.mo (notice how oxide-qt.mo became oxide.mo)
[15:26] <oSoMoN> how could it possibly be renamed?
[15:28] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: one last thing, navigating to another page by clicking a link currently exits fullscreen. is this intentional ?
[15:31] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, try in another desktop browser, how does it behave?
[15:32] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: other desktop browsers try to stay in fullscreen no matter what you do. you exit fullscreen only when you explicitly ask for it
[15:33] <mpt> jgdx, seb128: It’s not reviewed yet, but I’ve posted a draft design for keyboard settings for pocket PC. <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LanguageAndText?action=diff&rev2=54&rev1=53#keyboard-hardware>
[15:33] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, do you have an example page that I could use to test that?
[15:33] <seb128> mpt, thanks
[15:33] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: any page that has a link. go to google.com and click on the links at the bottom for example
[15:33] <seb128> kenvandine, jgdx, ^
[15:33] <kenvandine> cool
[15:37] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: the reason it exits fullscreen on link click is because we get an onFullscreenRequested signal from oxide with the fullscreen argument set to false
[15:39] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, ok, so it might (or might not) be a bug in oxide, would you mind raising that with Chris on #oxide?
[15:47] <brunch875> what the...!
[15:47] <brunch875> I can't send an email on my desktop
[15:47] <brunch875> The reported error was "GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name :1.142 was not provided by any .service files".
[15:48] <brunch875> Ogra, what are you snappers breaking? :P
[15:48] <ogra_> brunch875, why would i break anything on your desktop :)
[15:49] <brunch875> It could be some convoluted and evil scheme
[15:50] <ogra_> i just had the same issue because i moved ~/.ssh around
[15:51] <ogra_> killing gnome-keyring-daemon and restarting the mailer worked for me
[15:51] <ogra_> (after i had putr back ~/.ssh
[15:51] <ogra_> )
[15:52] <brunch875> oh I installed openssh-server yesterday
[15:52] <brunch875> I notice a pattern here
[15:58] <dpm> oSoMoN, what distro are we talking about re: oxide translations, vivid (and wily) I guess?
[15:58] <oSoMoN> dpm, vivid for sure, I haven’t checked on wily yet, let me do that
[15:59] <dpm> oSoMoN, it seems there are no translations templates for wily yet, so vivid it is for now
[16:00] <oSoMoN> ok
[16:01] <dpm> oSoMoN, so what I've done is to change the translation domain in the source package in LP from "oxide" to "oxide-qt". If I remember correctly, this will make the translations to be exported as "oxide-qt" in the next language pack export. I'd suggest to check with pitti next time the langpacks are built
[16:02] <oSoMoN> dpm, thanks! How come this domain is hardcoded, instead of extracting the domain name from the filenames installed by the package?
[16:05] <oSoMoN> dpm, and is there a project/source package I can target the bug at, for reference?
[16:07] <dpm> oSoMoN, the first time a source package that contains translations is uploaded, LP asks for the template name (how it will be shown in the translations URL) and for the domain (filename to export as in the langpacks). IIRC, LP does a guess and sets domain = source package name, which admins can manually override. Perhaps the first upload the source package was named "oxide"?
[16:07] <dpm> I don't know, that would be one option
[16:07] <dpm> one possiblitiy of what could have happened, I mean
[16:08] <oSoMoN> dpm, ok, fair enough
[16:08] <dpm> oSoMoN, not sure if it's worth filing a bug (that'd be against lp:launchpad). The first ever approval of translations is always manual, and as much as I'd like to be fixed, reallistically I don't see it happening
[16:08] <oSoMoN> dpm, in fact the mo files used to be named oxide.mo, but were renamed oxide-qt.mo at some point, so the initial setup made sense
[16:08] <dpm> aha
[16:09] <oSoMoN> alexabreu, ^^
[16:09] <dpm> so that was probably it. The setup made sense initially, but then the domain in LP wasn't updated according to the change
[16:09] <oSoMoN> dpm, do you mind if I quote our IRC conversation in https://launchpad.net/bugs/1464159 ?
[16:09] <dpm> oSoMoN, not at all
[16:09] <oSoMoN> thx
[16:09] <alexabreu> oSoMoN, dpm yeah I think there was a rename at some point
[16:09] <dpm> feel free to quote any public conversations I have
[16:10] <alexabreu> that explains it
[16:12] <oSoMoN> alexabreu, so all we have to do is wait for the next langpack update, IIUC
[16:12] <oSoMoN> dpm, how often are the langpacks built?
[16:12] <alexabreu> oSoMoN, right, ... dpm can we force a quick update?
[16:16] <dpm> oSoMoN, I think translations are exported daily and then the langpacks are built shortly afterwards. Generally I keep track of the cronjobs after asking the LP team to set them up, but I haven't for vicid
[16:17] <dpm> pitti, are you around and do you know? ^
[16:17] <dpm> or cjwatson, do you know the schedule for language pack exports on LP? ^
[16:26] <popey> jdstrand: the terminal app cannot execute programs located in the home directory, this breaks the ability to run stuff in ~/bin (which gets added to PATH if it exists). Any way we can work around / fix that?
[16:27] <popey> jdstrand: because it's quite handy being able to slap random binaries in ~/bin
[16:27] <jdstrand> popey: what is the denial?
[16:28] <popey> oh, hang on. this _could_ be my bad
[16:28] <popey> :D
[16:28] <cjwatson> dpm: You can find it in lp:lp-production-crontabs, which I believe ~canonical can see
[16:28] <cjwatson> dpm: vivid is 30 10 * * 1
[16:29] <ogra_> popey, i dont think it is... i had the same issue
[16:31] <popey> more testing needed
[16:31] <popey> jdstrand: ignore me for now, unless ogra_ has a good sample
[16:32] <ogra_> not currently ... but i tried scripts in ~/bin more than once ...
[16:32] <ogra_> ssh localhost helps ;)
[16:33] <ogra_> gives you a completely unconfined terminal ... until the lifecycle kills the ssh connection
[16:33] <popey> aha!
[16:33] <popey> locally on device, having a shell script in ~/bin it fails when you try and run it
[16:33] <popey> with "bash: bin/in.sh: Permission denied"
[16:33] <ogra_> yeah
[16:33] <popey> jdstrand: ^ that
[16:34] <popey> [26531.600286] type=1400 audit(1434040394.724:247): apparmor="DENIED" operation="exec" profile="com.ubuntu.terminal_terminal_0.7.74" name="/home/phablet/bin/in.sh" pid=11131 comm="bash" requested_mask="x" denied_mask="x" fsuid=32011 ouid=32011
[16:34] <popey> (unignore me now) :)
[16:37] <dpm> cjwatson, I can see them indeed, thanks. For future reference, on which crontab are the LP exports?
[16:38] <dpm> cjwatson, nm, I found them
[16:42] <jdstrand> popey: can you file a bug against apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu with that denial?
[16:43] <jdstrand> balloons: hey, is this still needed in the apparmor policy: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11697185/
[16:45] <balloons> jdstrand, howdy.. we were talking about this the other day :-)
[16:46] <balloons> jdstrand, based on everything that happened (and broke), I'm guessing we could remove all those changes we did at this point
[16:46] <balloons> basically everything to try and help autopilot run with a fake home, etc
[16:47] <jdstrand> balloons: so that is ok to remove toady in wily?
[16:47] <jdstrand> today even
[16:49] <balloons> jdstrand, I believe so. No tests should be using it, but we could check before putting it in
[16:50] <jdstrand> balloons: would you mind doing that? that will greatly simplify the fix for popey's bug
[16:50] <jdstrand> balloons: either you or tell me who to ask
[17:29] <jdstrand> popey: hey, would you mind reviewing my permy 0.8 upload?
[17:30] <popey> jdstrand: sure
[17:34] <jdstrand> popey: thanks!
[17:34] <popey> np, and in return https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu/+bug/1464341
[17:35] <jdstrand> popey: thanks, I'll fix that after I get feedback from balloons
[17:37] <popey> magic
[17:40] <bschaefer> hello, anyone getting a crash in ubuntu-clock-app on wily? http://paste.ubuntu.com/11697457/
[17:40] <balloons> jdstrand, what would you want me to do? propose the removal or ?
[17:40] <bschaefer> (wily-proposed)
[17:40] <balloons> jdstrand, popey sorry, my irc phantom'd dc'd on me and I've been talking to myself
[17:40] <jdstrand> balloons: oh, heh, let me paste
[17:41] <popey> bschaefer: dont use wily :)
[17:41] <jdstrand> 11:50 < jdstrand> balloons: would you mind doing that? that will greatly simplify the fix for popey's bug
[17:41] <jdstrand> 11:50 < jdstrand> balloons: either you or tell me who to ask
[17:41] <bschaefer> popey, but i need to :(
[17:41] <jdstrand> where 'that' refers to: 11:49 < balloons> jdstrand, I believe so. No tests should be using it, but we could check before putting it in
[17:41] <bschaefer> haha
[17:41] <popey> :(
[17:41] <bschaefer> so far all the other core apps are working (only tried 4-5 others)
[17:41] <bschaefer> somethings not working with qtposition (0x0 on this)
[17:42] <popey> bschaefer: feel free to file a bug
[17:42] <popey> yeah
[17:42] <bschaefer> popey, alright
[17:42] <bschaefer> popey, thanks!
[17:42] <balloons> jdstrand, I'll check if you can supply the revamped file
[17:42] <balloons> Or I can attempt to do it ;-)
[17:43] <jdstrand> balloons: autopilot is going to need to remove the 'owner @{HOMEDIRS}/autopilot/fakeenv/*/.local/share/@{APP_PKGNAME}/** mrwklix,' or any related fakeenv rules
[17:43] <jdstrand> balloons: sure, where is the branch?
[17:43] <balloons> jdstrand, ohh right.. that's in autopilot
[17:43] <jdstrand> yeah
[17:43] <balloons> sorry, I was thinking it was somewhere else
[17:44] <jdstrand> I need that ^ removed so I can remove the rules in the unconfined template and do something simple to fix popey's bug
[17:44] <balloons> i'll propose, test and ask for your review
[17:44] <jdstrand> sounds great
[17:45] <jdstrand> there is a weird thing called 'conflicting x modifiers' with apparmor policy that we need to make sure we are in sync with otherwise profiles with the autopilot rules still in there will fail to load
[17:48] <cedian_linux> Can someone help me i get these errors and can't find out why: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11697492/ the code it's about: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11697516/
[17:48] <jjohansen> not really weird, think of it as you have two or more rules instructing the profile to do different things on exec. Instead of just arbitrarily choosing one of the conflicting rules, apparmor forces the policy author to fix the conflict
[17:48] <jdstrand> jjohansen: no it isn't weird, I just didn't want to take the time to describe it in detail
[17:48] <jjohansen> :)
[17:48] <jdstrand> :)
[17:49] <jdstrand> jjohansen: I had a feeling you'd call me out on 'weird' :)
[17:49] <jjohansen> well the message is a bit 'weird' :)
[17:50] <cedian_linux> You are both weird ;)
[17:51] <balloons> jdstrand, looks like veebers just took out the apparmor click.rules file in a recent revision
[17:51] <jdstrand> balloons: is that already in wily?
[17:52] <balloons> it seems like it should be yes
[17:52] <balloons> let me verify
[17:53] <balloons> jdstrand, yes it is in wily
[17:54] <balloons> seeing as I was going to do something similar, sounds like you are safe :-)
[17:54] <jdstrand> balloons: ok, let me be clearer-- click.rules is no longer shipped in wily, therefore there are no fakeenv rules for me to worry about?
[17:54] <balloons> jdstrand, correct. no more fakeenv rules
[17:54] <jdstrand> great
[17:54] <jdstrand> balloons: thanks for checking on that for me :)
[17:55] <cedian_linux> jjohansen: I can't find what the error is and how to fix it in my code these are the errors http://paste.ubuntu.com/11697492/ and this is the code: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11697516/
[17:59] <jjohansen> cedian_linux: not the right file
[18:00] <balloons> jdstrand, we need the version from May, but I'm hesitant now to say it's in Wily, because I don't have it locally
[18:01] <balloons> so it's a little confusing. I'm going to take back my previous statement. It's not been released yet
[18:01] <balloons> sorry!
[18:03] <jdstrand> balloons: looks like dbus-property-service ships /usr/share/autopilot-touch/apparmor/click.rules
[18:03] <balloons> jdstrand, I was just going to say this :-)
[18:03] <balloons> they moved it
[18:03] <balloons> so I guess we'll be proposing over there
[18:04] <balloons> the merge that removed it had nothing to do with apparmor, so it was kind of buried
[18:04] <jdstrand> yeah
[18:04] <jdstrand> balloons: so, now the question remains-- can they be removed from dbus-property-service?
[18:05] <jdstrand> balloons: I don't know what in the testing environment is using fakeenv
[18:06] <balloons> jdstrand, right-o. I'm still of the mind it can be removed, but as I said, I'd like to check to be sure
[18:06] <jdstrand> balloons: ok, which loops us back around. can you add a comment in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus-property-service/+bug/1464341 when you've done that?
[18:08] <jdstrand> balloons: once you've done that, I can upload both
[18:19] <cedian_linux> what does rtc mean?
[18:20] <anpok> various things.. real time clock?
[18:20] <cedian_linux> can, but is it needed?
[18:20] <anpok> hm why does bluetooth not work on manta/nexus10
[18:20] <anpok> cedian_linux: sorry, i am lacking context
[18:21] <cedian_linux> I get this error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11697728/ and anpok: what do you mean?
[18:22] <davmor2> anpok: it never has
[18:22] <cedian_linux> I meant is it needed for a working kernel?
[18:23] <davmor2> anpok: chipset is not supported and we never had the driver iirc ogra_ or rsalveti or cyphermox can probably give you more info
[18:23] <anpok> oh
[18:28] <dobey> davmor2: is it that, or is it the same reason bt hasn't worked on n5? ie, it needs bluez5
[18:29] <dobey> iirc, the drivers are there, but it requires going through the android hal instead of normal bluez hci, so bluez5 is needed to be able to do that
[18:29] <davmor2> dobey: oh it could be that, I know there is a reason and it was driver related not sure what the fix was though
[18:30] <dobey> i'm pretty sure it's that. but bluez5 got held up due to other issues
[18:31] <dobey> i guess cyphermox is probably best person to ask about that
[18:37] <anpok> hm ok it seems to have th bcm43241
[18:37] <anpok> which does wifi bt4 and fm
[18:37] <nik90> bschaefer: Do you mind checking if other apps like OSMTouch, GPS Navigation etc crash when using Qt Location on wily-proposed? Clock app uses Qt Location from the QML side and I don't see anything like accessing a null pointer etc from the clock app side of things.
[18:38] <bschaefer> nik90, yeah i can, was looking for a different example but they didnt use position :)
[18:40] <nik90> bschaefer: test https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-weather-dev/ubuntu-weather-app/reboot .. perfect example for this use case
[18:41] <bschaefer> nik90, osmtouch crash looks like the same place
[18:41]  * bschaefer tests weather
[18:42] <bschaefer> nik90, same crash
[18:42] <bschaefer> nik90, the one thing that looked strange was
[18:43] <bschaefer> Unable to select module, using dummy.
[18:43] <bschaefer> im not sure if it failed to select a video module or something, but a dummy module could be null
[18:43] <nik90> bschaefer: I have seen that msg before as well..although I cannot remember the specifics.
[18:43] <bschaefer> not sure if its one of the false warnings one or not
[18:43] <bschaefer> but if its failing to find a device or something
[18:43] <nik90> bschaefer: I think we can defer the bug report to https://launchpad.net/location-service since it is the common denominator amongst all these apps
[18:44] <bschaefer> nik90, alright sounds good
[19:09] <cedian_linux> I keep getting usb ether.o errors, but I tried to disable it and it comes back
[19:15] <cedian_linux> my uhci starts failing
[19:17] <cedian_linux> I meant ehci and is it needed?
[19:19] <anpok> what are you compiling?
[19:19] <anpok> i mean which kernel..
[19:20] <cedian_linux> oneplus one
[19:22] <cedian_linux> and keep getting this when running an other make http://paste.ubuntu.com/11698096/
[19:31] <babajuss> hello Can anyone tell me if  I can install ubuntu touch to any device or only to mentioned in table in ubuntu.com? Thank you. By the way I have Sony xperia z that I do not use. I would like to instal ubuntu to it.
[19:53] <SturmFlut> Oh wow, Android M comes with a system-wide app backup. So now they don't just own anything that is usually synchd with the cloud, they get *all* your data from *all* your apps.
[20:13] <charles> jhodapp, ping
[20:14] <charles> jhodapp, wrt your last couple of comments in https://bugs.launchpad.net/media-hub/+bug/1373313, what changes do you see that need to happen in i-sound?
[20:14] <jhodapp> charles, hide the next/prev buttons if it's not possible to go next/previous (use the MPRIS has_next()/ has_previous() methods)
[20:14] <charles> jhodapp, anything else?
[20:15] <jhodapp> charles, there might be another change, but won't know until I re-enable exporting the MPRIS interface in media-hub
[20:15] <jhodapp> charles, so that's it for now
[20:15] <charles> ack
[20:20] <charles> jhodapp, just to confirm, you meant the CanGoNext and CanGoPrevious properties, right?
[20:22] <jhodapp> charles, yes sorry, I gave you the media-hub method names :)
[20:22] <charles> :-)
[21:27] <HoloIRCUser> It's compiling the touch system
[21:51] <dobey> uhm, ok
[21:51] <dobey> oh
[21:53] <dobey> SturmFlut: i suppose that's only if you enable it?
[21:55] <SturmFlut> dobey: No, it's on by default, you have to explicitely disable it as an app developer. Probably the user can disable it somehow, but all the other Google Sync services are also usually activated by default when you do a fresh setup of an Android device.
[21:55] <SturmFlut> dobey: They even give you additional free Google Drive storage for this feature, to get everybody on board
[21:56] <dobey> eh
[21:56] <dobey> do they do encryption by default now?
[21:59] <SturmFlut> At least they say that the backup is encrypted, but with what key? Apparently all app data is restored if you log into your account with a new device, so the key has to be either stored somewhere or it can be calculated from your login data
[22:01] <SturmFlut> Like with iCloud, they tell you that everything is encrpyted, but using their key...


[06:57] <dholbach> good morning
[16:37] <obounaim> Hello, when I try to create a minimal environment with cowbuilder-dist I get the following errors messages "Invalid cross-device link" any ideas?
[16:39] <Zhenech> dont try to create a cowbulder chroot outside of / :)
[16:40] <Zhenech> well, on the same mountpoint
[16:42] <obounaim> Zhenech, ok but what I don't understand is when I use pbuilder-dist everything works fine.
[16:42] <jtaylor> cowbuilder uses hardlinks to do copy on write
[16:43] <jtaylor> hardlinks only work within the same filesystem
[16:56] <Zhenech> what jtaylor says :)
[17:31] <obounaim> Zhenech, jtaylor, changing the BUILDPLACE and APTCACHE variables should solve my issue right?
[17:31] <jtaylor> it should
[17:31] <jtaylor> for which distribution are you creating a chroot?
[17:31] <obounaim> precise and raring
[17:32] <jtaylor> because raring does not work for me either
[17:32] <jtaylor> the others do
[17:32] <jtaylor> there is something different there
[17:33] <obounaim> may be you should run "sudo ln -s gutsy /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/raring"
[17:33] <jtaylor> done that
[17:34] <jtaylor> my profile apparmor also doesn't like raring ._.
[17:34] <obounaim> ok
[17:36] <jtaylor> syncpackage -r raring-proposed shows me the whole changelog not only the new stuff, is that normal?
[17:37] <Laney> fixed in bzr
[17:39] <ScottK> jtaylor: Just change ubuntu_pocket to 'Release' in line 373 if it's bothering you.
[17:39] <jtaylor> thx
[17:41] <jtaylor> it also does not check seen to for ubuntu changes without that fix
[22:01] <ScottK> Should probably SRU it too then (quick)