[00:01] <wxl> tsimonq2: didn't y ou make that script so that we could add all the packages?
[00:02] <tsimonq2> wxl: OH THAT'S RIGHT :D
[00:03] <tsimonq2> wxl: learning how to publish UWN at the moment, a bit later, but could you add me as an admin to the packages team please?
[21:36] <drab> can anybody help me understand the switch to qt? I'm not really finding much in the way of understanding why the switch and what are the pros
[21:37] <drab> more importantly, I'm not clear if things will change in so far as larger deployments and pref settings
[21:37] <drab> openbox seems to still be there for one and so do a lot of the gtk stuff unless you manually go in and remove them, but I'm not really sure why you'd do that
[21:38] <drab> thanks for any comments
[21:38] <wxl> drab: this would be a question best asked at #lxde as it's the upstream that's making the change.
[21:39] <wxl> lxde will still be around, but most of the development is focused on lxqt
[21:40] <drab> ok. I'm planning on deploying lubuntu to a large non profit org and so making quite a bit of an investment int erms of configuring ti all up for them
[21:40] <drab> wuold hate to waste the effort
[21:40] <wxl> things will likely change come lxqt
[21:40] <drab> some themeing is alsor equired for example for lightdm and that's gtk, unclear if that's going to do or what
[21:40] <drab> mmmh, k
[21:40] <wxl> which will likely come 16.10 or 17.04 at the latest
[21:41] <drab> so it sounds like I'm best to figure out how to run it on 16.04 (seems you can already install it manually) and configure for that
[21:41] <drab> anyway, will ask in lxde, thank you
[21:42] <wxl> all of the packages to make it lxqt are not available quite yet
[21:42] <wxl> and the fate of many of the apps are uncertain
[21:43] <drab> urm
[21:43] <drab> I was hoping to at least give them 4yrs worth of logevity by getting on the next LTS


[05:37] <Kilos> bbrrrrrrmorning all
[05:39] <Kilos> hi mazal hoe werk tiksters op so n oggend
[06:04] <mazal> More oom Kilos , ja nee is bietjie koel vanmore
[06:15] <bduk1> More almal
[06:17] <sakhi_> Morning #ubuntu-za
[06:46] <superfly> good evening
[06:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning all
[06:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> and thanks for the birthday wishes :)
[06:59] <inetpro> goeie more
[07:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> superfly: haven't had a minute to look at the map generating thingy yet?
[07:14] <superfly> no
[07:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> mmm'kay
[09:24] <Kilos> hi superfly  magespawn  ThatGraemeGuy  and all
[09:30] <Vince-0> o/
[09:36] <Kilos> hi Vince-0  die_held
[09:36] <Spekko> more Kilos
[09:36] <Spekko> :D
[09:36] <Kilos> hi Spekko
[09:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> hi kil<tab><tab>
[09:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> :-/
[09:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> hi Kilos :)
[09:58] <nuvolari> o/ oh hi
[10:32] <Kilos> hi nuvolari
[10:33] <Kilos> hi drussell  hows davey?
[10:35] <drussell> Kilos: heyhey! I'm good thanks, how about you?
[10:35] <Kilos> im good too ty
[10:35] <Kilos> hehe
[10:37] <Kilos> tell them dev peps not to disable the workspace switcher by default
[11:16] <nuvolari> hi oom Kilos :)
[11:16] <nuvolari> gaan dit goed oom?
[11:31] <Kilos> goed dankie en self nuvolari  ?
[11:31] <Kilos> net kwaai koud hier in die oggend en saans
[12:22] <nuvolari> dit gaan okei dankie oom Kilos
[12:23] <nuvolari> ek sal vir oom bietjie hitte stuur
[12:23] <nuvolari> ons het nog bietjie oor
[12:27] <Kilos> hahaha
[12:49] <Spekko> Maaz seeen jabberwocky96_
[12:49] <Maaz> Spekko: Sorry...
[12:49] <Spekko> Het maaz 'n "seen" function ?
[12:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> maaz seen magespawn
[12:52] <Maaz> ThatGraemeGuy: magespawn was last seen 17 hours, 27 minutes and 59 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2014-06-08 12:24:20 PDT], and has been offline on freenode since 2014-06-09 02:31:52 PDT
[12:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> yes
[12:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> although seeen != seen
[12:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> :-p
[13:03] <Spekko> hahha
[13:03] <Spekko> my bad
[13:03] <Spekko> Maaz seen Jabberwocky6)
[13:03] <Maaz> Spekko: I don't know who Jabberwocky6) is
[13:03] <Spekko> Maaz seen Jabberwocky96_
[13:03] <Maaz> Spekko: I don't know who Jabberwocky96_ is
[13:03] <Spekko> Maaz seen Jabberwocky
[13:03] <Maaz> Spekko: Jabberwocky was last seen 1 year, 6 months, 4 days, 1 hour, 14 minutes and 36 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2012-12-12 03:49:08 PST], and has been offline on freenode since 2013-04-16 08:11:10 PDT
[13:03] <Spekko> Maaz seen Jabberwocky96
[13:03] <Maaz> Spekko: I don't know who Jabberwocky96 is
[13:03] <Spekko> :/
[13:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> maaz seen jabberwockya19
[13:07] <Maaz> ThatGraemeGuy: jabberwockya19 was last seen 3 days, 4 hours, 43 minutes and 24 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2014-06-06 01:24:09 PDT], and has been offline on freenode since 2014-06-06 03:43:50 PDT
[14:07] <Kilos> Spekko  jy nou die regte egte Spekko  ?
[14:13]  * Kilos waves to inetpro
[15:01] <Vince-0> whoot!
[15:21] <Kilos> bbl
[16:44] <arnaud__> Hello guys §
[17:45] <superfly> ThatGraemeGuy: there
[17:53] <theblazehen> hi
[18:21] <Kilos> ai!
[18:21] <Kilos> Your Gmail account is being deleted due to Tos violation that was left on resolve on your gmail account.
[18:21] <Kilos> what is that tos thing
[18:21] <Kilos> hi magespawn superfly inetpro and others too
[18:28] <superfly> Kilos: Terms of Service
[18:28] <Kilos> oh my i wonder what i di wrong
[18:29] <Kilos> dont even know which account it is
[18:29] <Kilos> ty superfly ill follow it up and try make heads outa the tails
[18:29] <superfly> Kilos: Let me guess, they have a link for you to click on to log into your mail?
[18:30] <superfly> Kilos: don't click on any links in your e-mail!!
[18:30] <Kilos> according to our terms and condition we are deleting your gmail account from our server and access to your
[18:30] <Kilos> gmail account would be permanently denied
[18:30] <Kilos> if you which to continue using your gmail account you are required to resolve the Tos violation on your gmail account now.
[18:30] <Kilos> Click the button below to proceed .This is an automated system generated warning message
[18:30] <Kilos> oh
[18:30] <superfly> Kilos: that e-mail is a hoax
[18:31] <Kilos> how do you know that superfly ?
[18:32] <Kilos> there is a proceed now button and this
[18:32] <superfly> that
[18:32] <Kilos> To opt out or change where you receive security notifications, click here.
[18:32] <Kilos> Thanks,
[18:32] <Kilos> The Gmail account team
[18:32] <Kilos> oh my
[18:33] <superfly> Kilos: that button is not a button, it is a link. Right-click on the link, click "copy link location" and then paste it in here
[18:34] <Kilos> ok
[18:34] <Kilos> http://quantum-hrm.com/New%20hhdhffhdfbfnn379472749/fhdfhdhfdf%20%20dfiufdiufiurfeeuieureyfyeeueiufvv%20%20e89err8797r/gmail.htm
[18:34] <superfly> Kilos: does that URL start with "https://mail.google.com" ?
[18:34] <Kilos> nope
[18:34] <superfly> need i say more?
[18:35] <Kilos> nope ty
[18:35] <Kilos> i didnt think of doing that to see where it came from\
[18:37] <arnaudmez> Hi guys
[18:37] <Kilos> hi arnaudmez
[18:37] <arnaudmez> hi Kilos, superfly
[18:37] <superfly> hi arnaudmez
[18:37] <arnaudmez> what's on the desk here ?
[18:37] <Kilos> ice blocks
[18:37] <Kilos> hehe
[18:38] <Kilos> very cold here
[18:39] <Kilos> and new unity install dont connect with my d-link modem so grrr
[18:42] <arnaudmez> have you tried to install new kernel ?
[18:42] <Kilos> aw i shoulda sugar plummed them
[18:42] <Kilos> i install what is in the .iso and use aotitude to upgrade
[18:43] <Kilos> dont install stuff not yet passed
[18:44] <Kilos> arnaudmez, what would be the advantage of installing a kernel that isnt in the repos yet
[18:44] <arnaudmez> Kilos, remember i hae issues with my ubuntu box days ago
[18:44] <Kilos> yes i do
[18:45] <Kilos> but you installing that 14 kernel and in repos is still 13
[18:45] <arnaudmez> didn't wanted to connect to connect to WiFi, then i installed new kernel and things came back to life and never had issue up to this morning
[18:45] <arnaudmez> you should give it a try then you can uninstall it if you want
[18:45] <Kilos> eish its giving probs again?
[18:45] <arnaudmez> Kilos, the advantage :::: FUN
[18:45] <Kilos> no when things work i leave them alone
[18:45] <superfly> Kilos: installing a new kernel is not a big thing
[18:46] <Kilos> but if it hasnt been passed and added to the repos then you can maybe have issues not so?
[18:46] <superfly> compiling it is bigger, but still pretty simple these days
[18:47] <arnaudmez> Kilos, are you afraid of breaking something ?
[18:48] <Kilos> lol yes man
[18:48] <Kilos> i like things to work
[18:48] <Kilos> i broke my unity yesterday by following online fixes
[18:48] <arnaudmez> it works perfectly for me
[18:48] <Kilos> so just installed from scratch
[18:49] <superfly> Unity is made of broken if you ask me
[18:49] <Kilos> haha it has more probs than kde ya
[18:53] <arnaudmez> Kilos, look here http://www.google.co.zw/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCMQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sysads.co.uk%2F2014%2F06%2Finstall-linux-kernel-3-14-5-ubuntu-14-04-linux-mint-17%2F&ei=owKWU7bwH7Ou7Aa404DICQ&usg=AFQjCNHUdmIrraOFaFgtEbdw3DKJMgPOng&bvm=bv.68445247,d.ZGU
[18:54] <Kilos> sjoe you must shorten such links man
[18:55] <Kilos> you pm maaz and tell him shorten "link"
[18:56] <arnaudmez> Kilos, http://is.gd/TnulF3
[18:56] <Kilos> arnaudmez, what could i benefit from that
[18:56] <arnaudmez> pretty interresting
[18:56] <Kilos> ive looked
[18:56] <arnaudmez> new functionalities, new drivers and more
[18:57] <Kilos> you forget i dont understand heavy stuff
[18:57] <Kilos> do you have an orange on your car aerial too?
[18:57] <Kilos> hehe
[18:58] <Kilos> i understand apt-get and aptitude install remove update and upgrade
[18:59] <Kilos> oh and i like making modems works
[19:17] <magespawn> good evening
[19:17] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[19:20] <Kilos> superfly, wassup minetest taking forever to load media
[19:20] <superfly> Kilos: blame ThatGraemeGuy
[19:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'm not using TNT i promise
[19:20] <Kilos> hahaha he tnted something
[19:21] <magespawn> is it the birthday cake then/
[19:21] <Kilos> how old now ThatGraemeGuy ??
[19:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> 36
[19:21] <Kilos> serious?
[19:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> um... ya
[19:22] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:22] <Kilos> congrats hope it was a good one and many more better ones on the horizon
[19:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> thanks :)
[19:23] <magespawn> still a sprite, hey Kilos?
[19:23] <Kilos> hahaha ya
[19:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> so, pro tip
[19:24] <Kilos> a year or 2 younger than ian
[19:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> if you make bags and use them to hold extra stuff, that stuff doesn't die when you do
[19:24]  * superfly listens to uncle graeme
[19:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> so a bit more convenient for storing some backup important stuff than a chest
[19:24] <Kilos> haha ThatGraemeGuy what was in the bag?
[19:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> just stuff, but now that i realised that bags are safe when you die i'm keeping a few important things in them just in case
[19:25] <Kilos> i cant get in at all
[19:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> a mese pick or 2, etc.
[19:25] <Kilos> lol
[19:25] <Kilos> oh i found some mese blocks yay
[19:25] <magespawn> good idea
[19:26] <Kilos> near -2000
[19:26] <superfly> you can get all your stuff out of your bones though
[19:26] <Kilos> lol he takes a bit long to find them sometimes
[19:35] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:38] <magespawn> i am also off to bed, good night all


[02:13] <pleia2> a few of us took pictures at the studio, we'll have photos up by tomorrow I think :)
[02:26] <seidos> i looked through my wired magazine.
[02:26] <seidos> i *love* the microsoft office 2010 ad...
[03:48] <seidos> considering they say "there is no such thing as 'bad' publicity" or something, i kind of wonder if i should have been more obnoxious in the audience...er...well, i mean...louder.
[05:38] <MarkDude> Some video from the TV show >> http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/video?id=7841514&section=7live&section=7live
[05:57] <pleia2> the camera loves jono :)
[06:00] <pleia2> the whole episode is here: http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/video?id=7841514&section=7live#global
[07:48] <MarkDude> pleia2, I agree. I think Shuttleworth needs to give Jono some extra $ since he owned the camera
[14:30] <seidos> hey MarkDude, when you get a chance, could you send the information on "medicine Buddha(s)" to me?  pm it or however you feel like it.
[15:26] <nUboon2Age> Th 7-8: The Ubuntu Hour: Mountain View:  http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/586/detail/   aaditya, crashsystems, crashsystems1, jamalta, jiboumans, jledbetter, jtatum, outofjungle, Yasumoto, seidos, sn9, rww
[15:33] <nUboon2Age> Also in Santa Cruz Wed 29th, The Lindependence/Ubuntu Hour http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/574/detail/ which Larry Cafiero, Karsten Wade and I will be starting.  jiboumans, MarkDude, jtatum, jledbetter, pleia2, sn9, seidos, aaditya, outofjungle, Yasumoto, YokoZar, FashionGirl
[15:34] <jledbetter> Woo hoo
[17:32] <pleia2> MarkDude: have tv photos from your GK guy yet? :)
[23:23] <pleia2> http://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/5261562527/ you are being looked at suspiciously!


[06:33] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:56] <ovidiu-florin> morning
[07:57] <ovidiu-florin> lordievader: I don't recall, are you comig at Akademy?
[08:00] <vip> hi ho
[08:01] <vip> anybody seen backports for new plasma, kde, etc, for vivid?
[08:08] <ovidiu-florin> sgclark: is working really hard on that. But the universe is against her
[08:12] <vip> damn universe
[08:59] <Riddell> anyone want to do alpha 2 this week?
[08:59] <Riddell> next week
[08:59] <Riddell> needs testers and people to put it on the website
[09:00] <Riddell> !testers | someone to take the lead on alpha 2 testing
[09:00] <Riddell> others are busy at akademy
[09:01] <vip> no time to lead, but I can test isos on vbox from time to time
[09:10] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: Nope.
[09:10] <lordievader> Riddell: Next week? Sure. Please do remind me if I forget.
[09:11] <Riddell> lordievader: ooh great, join #ubuntu-release where infinity and stgraber will be making the iso images
[09:11] <Riddell> they'll also be announced here
[09:11] <Riddell> I guess you'll need some admin power on iso tracker
[09:22] <lordievader> The testcases won'
[09:22] <lordievader> t be made automatically?
[09:56] <Riddell> lordievader: no they're not for Kubuntu
[09:57] <Riddell> lordievader: oh they're added to iso tracker but people need to fill them in and someone needs to tick "ready" or "rebuild"
[10:37] <lordievader> Riddell: The rebuild depends on if critical bugs are fixed?
[10:40] <Riddell> lordievader: yes
[10:40] <Riddell> for whatever definition of critical you have
[10:42] <lordievader> But the fixes do need to be available, right?
[10:42] <Riddell> of course, so if no fix happens then you need to decide if you can release note it with the release or just not release
[10:44] <lordievader> I see, are you guys not available at all, or just spotty?
[10:49] <Riddell> just spotty
[10:49] <lordievader> Right, as I thought ;)
[10:50] <lordievader> I'll do the best I can ;)
[12:15] <mparillo> And sometimes a re-build is triggered if somebody eles's critical bug is fixed, right?
[13:30] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[13:31] <Riddell> mparillo: yes
[13:57] <mparillo> And lordievader, I should be able to help out some next week also. BTW, I re-tested https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1464330 and it still failed yesterday.
[15:41] <lordievader> mparillo: That is good to hear, thanks :) You are among the !testers ping?
[15:41] <lordievader> Phew the bot doesn't trigger on that.
[15:41] <lordievader> I hope the booting issues are fixed.
[15:42] <lordievader> Last time I wanted to install Wily I couldn't boot the live-usb. I heard of similar problems of valorie.
[16:06] <murthy> lordievader: I installed wily day before yesterday using live usb and everything is fine till now
[16:12] <ahoneybun> I installed it using the alpha with not problems  so far
[16:23] <lordievader> murthy: Ah good to hear :)
[16:23] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Are you available to test the alpha2 images next week?
[16:41] <BluesKaj> had a "no desktop" problem after installing the new kernel this morning, however after updating & upgrading again in the VT/TTY I managed to get it back
[16:48] <BluesKaj> on 1510 that is
[16:55] <murthy> BluesKaj: you have the nvidia binary driver installed?
[16:56] <BluesKaj> murthy,  yes, the 340
[16:58] <murthy> BluesKaj: is kernel 4.x going to be used in 15.10?
[16:58] <BluesKaj> yes theat's the kernel that installed this morning
[16:59] <murthy> BluesKaj: you mean via normal update?
[17:01] <BluesKaj> yes update & upgrade
[17:02] <murthy> cool
[17:14] <mparillo> Yes, I am part of that ping. I was able to boot Wily Live USB (created by Unetbootin), but I do not have UEFI.
[17:23] <BluesKaj>  mparillo so maybe you can't boot from a usb either if your pc is older than 2010
[17:27] <BluesKaj> I meant install, rather thewn boot, mparillo
[17:27] <BluesKaj> than
[17:29]  * BluesKaj searches for his bifocals
[17:33] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Are you available for testing next week?
[17:34] <lordievader> mparillo: Good, good :)
[17:34] <BluesKaj> lordievader, I suppose so, what are we testing ?
[17:34] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Alpha2 testing is next week.
[17:34] <lordievader> I'll ping this channel when I see the testcases.
[17:35] <BluesKaj> which day, next week ?
[17:35] <BluesKaj> I might be away on Monday, not sure yet
[17:35] <lordievader> Err, the release is thursday, so anytime before that.
[17:36] <BluesKaj> ok, NP
[17:36] <lordievader> Cool, cool.
[17:38] <BluesKaj> wife isn't going install W10 for quite a while, probly at least 6 mos, til most bugs are ironed out, so even wed next ids free for me to do some testing
[17:39] <lordievader> \o/
[17:56] <Ryoma721> hi
[17:56] <Ryoma721> i have a bug inside kubuntu 15.04
[17:57] <Ryoma721> when the monitor is suspended, then the restart of the monitor does not make me write a password
[17:58] <Ryoma721> it does sometimes
[18:14] <mparillo> I have some very old PCs and I have generally been able to boot from a USB. The problems I hear are generally with the newer PCs with Secure Boot.
[18:47] <BluesKaj> mparillo,  secure boot usually accompanies UEFI iirc. I have an older from 2008 and usb boot isn't an option
[18:48] <mamarley> A computer from 2008 doesn't have USB boot?  That sounds like a pretty awful BIOS.
[18:50] <BluesKaj> just a regular Phoenix BIOS
[18:51] <BluesKaj> it's a HP with amd dual core cpu and came with 3GB RAM which I increased to 6GB
[19:02] <lordievader> That is rather odd, PC's I have from before that time boot perfectly off usb.
[19:03] <lordievader> The only ones I've seen not able to had Pentium 3's.
[19:03] <mamarley> I seem to remember having a Pentium 3 once that could boot from USB, but I may be mistaken.
[19:17] <BluesKaj> we have 2 HP pcs from 2008 that don't have the usb boot option in the bios
[19:20] <claydoh> valorie: Mamarok did we moderate Ralf on the kubuntu-users ml?
[19:28] <soee_> sgclark: ah .. sorry o posted on G+ info about Plasma 5.3.2 backport because i'v seen somewhere that you mentioned it should be this week, sorry if i was wrong :/
[19:36] <BluesKaj> odd, can't seem to finnd the yr that the usb boot option was added to BIOS ..HP has nothing on it except a method to flash the BIOS which adds the usb boot, however it's doesn't mention which BIOS versions the firmware flash will work with.
[19:39] <BluesKaj> i could use the plop manager methosd with a cd of course, but that seems a bit silly to me.
[19:41] <ScottK> mamarley: I have one from 2007/2008 (I don't recall which) that can't boot from USB.  I don't think it was that rare back then.
[19:43]  * mamarley remembers the bad old days of having to burn CD-Rs for Linux and to transfer data between computers at his house.
[19:44] <mamarley> My next house is going to have gigabit ethernet ports in every room so I can transfer data at high speed without sneakernet.  I have already bought some used professional-grade network gear to support that. :)
[20:13] <soee_> i think this is serious problem that users can vboo
[20:13] <soee_> *cant book Kubuntu from USB: https://plus.google.com/102674597426161841373/posts/SB5UhyaqCjL
[20:52] <Mamarok> claydoh: nope, not yet, but might be about time. Mind you, he is not the only one using strong language in that thread
[20:52] <Mamarok> also, he is not using Kubuntu at all, he is repeating this on every occasion, so what is he doing on that list?
[21:09] <valorie> Mamarok: is this about ralf?
[21:09] <valorie> if so, I've moderated him this afternoon
[21:09] <valorie> I warned him already months ago
[21:10] <mhall119> hey everyone, I just found out about plasma-mobile, are there by chance images for the Nexus 4, or just the 5?
[21:10] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^^
[21:11] <ScottK> Not sure who else to ping.
[21:11] <ScottK> shadeslayer maybe.
[21:12] <valorie> they are still at the party I think
[21:12]  * valorie was tired and left after one beer
[21:13] <mhall119> oh right, Akademy starts tomorrow doesn't it
[21:15] <mhall119> looks like the only images are for the nexus 5 currently :(
[21:20] <valorie> yes, this was the pre-registration event
[21:21] <adrian> hello guys I saw you are the best team doing CI with .deb pkgs
[21:22] <adrian> how can I automate the changelog ath the moment of rebuild the pkg in jenkins?
[21:24] <valorie> adrian: most of our team is at a party right now, sorry
[21:24] <mhall119> ahoneybun: hope you're having fun this weekend
[21:24] <valorie> you might drop an email to the kubuntu-devel list
[21:24] <valorie> mhall119: hopefully he's already in the air
[21:24] <mhall119> oh is he missing the party? that's too bad
[21:25] <valorie> our journey from Seattle took well over 24 hours
[21:25] <valorie> he doesn't arrive until morning for some reason
[21:25] <mhall119> ew, I did that once, makes for a very long first day
[21:25] <valorie> I came at the beginning of the week in order to have time to get over jetlag
[21:26] <valorie> and get some work done here in the cool
[21:26] <valorie> Seattle and Portland both have been frying since spring
[22:27] <claydoh> valorie: Mamarok It seems Ralf unsubbed himself. Which is of course fine by me, one less non-contributing, non-kubuntu using person wasting email space
[23:51] <shadeslayer> mhall119: I have no clue what you're talking about :P
[23:53] <shadeslayer> I totally can't comment on something that doesn't exist .. yet


[17:34] <hwpplayer1> Hi friends
[17:35] <hwpplayer1> Could you please explain me more about https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/sysprof/
[18:23] <hwpplayer1> Okay thanks


[13:15] <svij> balloons: irqbalance keeps crashing in the vm inside the cloud instance when I try to run the tests, even on utopic
[13:16] <balloons> that's no good
[13:16] <svij> that might be the issue because I'm booting the iso with qemu without kvm inside a xen/kvm instance, tested on ec2 and digitalocean, no idea why it worked before
[13:16] <balloons> so we may be back to square one on this heh
[13:17] <svij> so having proper hardware *might* be the better solution
[13:17] <svij> maybe DanChapman knows something, atleast he said also said something regarding the irqbalance crash
[13:17] <balloons> right, I remmeber
[13:17] <balloons> and you tried on DO and ec2?
[13:17] <svij> yep
[13:18] <svij> maybe I could try a VM with higher specs…
[13:18] <svij> but i doubt that would help, that were already dual-cores with 4gb ram
[13:21] <balloons> right. Seems clear this is pointing back to wanting real hw again
[13:21] <balloons> odd
[13:47] <gQuigs> did I mess something up in my testdrive or does the latest (20150811) ubuntu desktop image push you to a lock screen
[13:57] <balloons> a lock screen? what do you mean?
[13:57] <balloons> the greeter?
[13:57] <balloons> wxl, you about?
[14:17] <gQuigs> balloons: yup, the greeter comes up and I can't login (live cd test)
[14:45] <balloons> ahh.. heh, so the session crashes on load
[14:46] <balloons> if you can, nab some logs. We've had similar bugs in the past
[15:34] <gQuigs> hmm. I can't find any relevant logs
[15:40] <flocculant> balloons: well I am pleased that Ubuntu is now getting that boot to login on the livesession - yesterday it seemed to be just xubuntu
[15:44] <balloons> flocculant, I know you have experience with this, lol
[15:44] <balloons> any existing bug to point at?
[15:44]  * balloons didn't look
[15:54] <flocculant> couldn't find one
[15:55] <flocculant> obviously I looked back a while
[15:56] <balloons> flocculant, do you remember what logs where relevant last time?
[15:56] <balloons> perhaps Xorg.log?
[15:57] <flocculant> I did look in lightdm log last night - but we were waiting on an upload, so I stopped looking in order to wait
[15:59] <flocculant> will go back over xubuntu bug blueprint first
[15:59] <flocculant> or second, tea first
[16:16] <flocculant> balloons: not finding anything, nothing jumping out at me from logs either
[16:18] <balloons> hmm..
[16:19] <balloons> We should file a bug regardless if there isn't one. Did you file something gQuigs?
[16:19] <flocculant> tried to find in tracker defects
[16:19] <balloons> we can add logs later if needed
[16:23] <flocculant> balloons: bug 1445206 appears close
[16:27] <flocculant> balloons: yesterday one of my testers found it on hardware, so at least it's not just vm
[16:28] <balloons> knome, ping
[16:28] <balloons> flocculant, ahh.. so it's not just a vbox thing. that's good to confirm
[16:28] <flocculant> indeed :)
[16:29] <knome> balloons, pong
[16:30] <balloons> knome, so I see http://tracker.xubuntu.org exists now.
[16:30] <knome> yes
[16:30] <balloons> did you get everything you needed for that?
[16:30] <knome> in what sense?
[16:31] <balloons> knome, I wondered if you got all the data you need, etc. I was going to ask before if you planned on hosting it or not, but I see it's on xubuntu now
[16:31] <knome> aha
[16:32] <knome> well, it's still in development
[16:32] <knome> no data is pulled from the QA trackers (yet)
[16:38] <wxl> balloons: am now
[16:38] <balloons> wxl, o/. I was curious about the pending merges on ubuntu-manual-tests project
[16:39] <wxl> balloons: hey. yeah, i saw the email but haven't got back to it. yes, all that stuff should still be valid.
[16:39] <balloons> wxl, ok. Guess we had a busy spring and didn't get those updated in time for vivid. We can get them all merged now. I was curious if you still wanted to drag everything under LXDE that was related
[16:40] <wxl> balloons: yeah i kind of copied how xubuntu was doing things. i also think it's nice because it helps visually prioritize package testing.
[16:42] <gQuigs> balloons: I haven't filed anything yet..
[16:42] <gQuigs> flocculant: did that user report a bug?
[16:46] <flocculant> gQuigs: no - as I said we were waiting to make sure it wasn't just an issue with upload we needed
[17:40] <flocculant> gQuigs: cyphermox is having a look - maybe hangfire on reporting bug till we know more about what to report against
[17:44] <cyphermox> what kind of graphics card?
[17:44] <flocculant> not sure about *my* other tester, but was hardware, for me it'd be whatever vbox uses, not sure about gQuigs
[17:46] <flocculant> if you need - I can do a usb and boot here to hardware, that'll be nvidia
[17:46] <cyphermox> it's not important just yet
[17:47] <cyphermox> just making sure because one log mentions dri
[17:47] <gQuigs> cyphermox: I was using TestDrive
[17:47] <gQuigs> with KVM
[17:47] <cyphermox> ok
[17:47]  * cyphermox is zsync'ing the images
[18:08] <flocculant> cyphermox: those logs all came from my machine via vbox
[18:27] <cyphermox> ah, I think I see
[18:27] <cyphermox> could we have just started to build images with systemd as a user session manager thingy?
[18:32] <cyphermox> nah, it's probably not that
[19:01] <cyphermox> flocculant: this is lightdm, I'm looking into a fix
[19:03] <cyphermox> yep, got it, I think
[19:20] <flocculant> cyphermox: I did think it was probably lightdm
[19:21] <cyphermox> lightdm now expects an actual meaningful value instead of what we're handing it for autologin-session=
[19:21] <cyphermox> I'll "fix" that in a second


[00:21] <Saviq> robru, hey, could I get a silo for line 5 please?
[00:23] <robru> Saviq, sure, you got silo 6
[00:23] <Saviq> robru, thanks!
[00:23] <robru> Saviq, you're welcome!
[02:10] <imgbot> [03:25] <imgbot> [03:25] <imgbot> [06:57] <balloons> fginther`, ping. The autolanding job for calc seems to not be running by itself.. also, is the job name different or ? Because I manually launched it and it ran via Xvfb
[06:57] <fginther`> balloons, let me investigate
[06:59] <fginther`> balloons, this is the job that gets triggered now: http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/ubuntu-clock-app-autolanding/
[07:01] <balloons> fginther, this is for calculator
[07:02] <fginther> balloons, argh, soory
[07:10] <fginther> balloons, I think I fixed it. I forgot to add the team to the autolanding users list
[07:11] <balloons> fginther, ok, we'll see how it goes
[07:17] <fginther> balloons, a new job has been automatically triggered: http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/ubuntu-calculator-app-autolanding/3/
[07:24] <ToyKeeper> ogra_: When you have some time, could we talk a bit about ideas to enhance image changelogs?
[07:25] <sil2100> ToyKeeper: right now I'm working on implementing a so called 'commit log', which would combine data from image changelogs with silo data
[07:25] <sil2100> ToyKeeper: not sure if that would help?
[07:26] <ToyKeeper> sil2100: That sounds wonderful.  :)
[07:26] <ToyKeeper> I was specifically hoping to get all the silo data from the spreadsheet into the image changelog.
[07:27] <sil2100> ToyKeeper: then it's in the works ;) But being done somewhere in the background
[07:27] <sil2100> Maybe next week it'll be done
[07:27] <ToyKeeper> When I'm testing an image, I want to know more than just what packages changed, but also what features changed, why, who did it, where the MP is, what test plan(s) are related, etc.
[07:27] <ToyKeeper> It'd also be nice to have a combined changelog file with all images logged in one file, for easier grepping.
[07:44] <ahayzen_> ogra_, ping
[07:50] <ahayzen_> anyone around who knows about the ubuntu-sdk-14.10-qml-dev1 framework and its status within the images? we're trying to test moving the music-app to mediascanner2 but need to test the new framework within the image
[07:58] <davmor2> ToyKeeper: can you just confirm https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-network/+bug/1322490  ← Wellark I'm assuming this is a bug for you please change it if it isn't
[07:58] <ogra_> ToyKeeper, did you check jibels version of my changelog stuff ? its a lot more detailed (i should put a link on my pages)
[07:58] <ogra_> ahayzen_, theoretically all bits and pieces should be in place on the images
[07:58] <ahayzen_> ogra_, hmm the app doesn't even start and there is no log for it. any idea of any other logs i should look at?
[07:59] <davmor2> sil2100: ^ one to add the new blocker list there are a couple more to come (I did say there were bug I'm not sure it popey mentioned it though :D )
[07:59] <ogra_> uh, no idea ... syslog for a start ... look for DENIED messages from apparmor ... and your own logs of the app indeed
[07:59] <ToyKeeper> davmor2: Sounds like the one I just filed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-network/+bug/1322497
[08:00] <sil2100> Bah
[08:00] <ogra_> ToyKeeper, here is an example http://people.canonical.com/~j-lallement/touch/changes/20140417.html
[08:01] <ogra_> sil2100, so 45 looks pretty bad for UITK
[08:02] <sil2100> ogra_: I wonder what happened, there was no new UITK upload at least
[08:03] <ogra_> lots of Qt was updated
[08:03] <ogra_> unity8 too
[08:03] <ogra_> OMG !
[08:03] <ToyKeeper> ogra_: It's better, but still missing things like a link to the MP(s) and test plan(s).  And it's not indexed by build number (like "utopic 45").
[08:03] <ogra_> the dialer-app error is gone !
[08:05] <ogra_> ToyKeeper, well, i guess then what sil2100 is setting up should be better for you (i really dont plan to have my stuff link to each and every possible MP ... sounds like that is whjat he plans
[08:05] <sil2100> ogra_: I remember publishing a dialer-app fix yesterday night I think!
[08:05] <ogra_> yep
[08:05] <ToyKeeper> Part of what we're trying to do is make it easier to identify where something broke and which image/branch/developer it was from.  Makes bisecting much easier.
[08:06] <ToyKeeper> Another goal is to help testers know what to focus on for each image.
[08:06] <ogra_> ToyKeeper, i would need info for that that sil2100 has easier available from his ci train stuff
[08:06] <ToyKeeper> ... and a third goal is to identify gaps in test plans.
[08:06] <ahayzen_> ogra_, ah i was on #44 appears #45 is out now :)
[08:07] <ogra_> ToyKeeper, though that wont really solve your problem .. the changelogs pof the packages are usually mangled a lot by the merge bots or because people using them dont follow package policy at all
[08:07] <ogra_> ToyKeeper, we geed to first get the devs to do that proper ;)
[08:07] <ogra_> *need
[08:07] <ToyKeeper> Yes, too many change logs of "bug fixes" and nothing else.
[08:08] <ogra_> ToyKeeper, and most changes we have were done by "CI Bot" ... :P
[08:08] <ogra_> you wont be able to identify it without digging
[08:08] <ToyKeeper> In any case, sounds like sil2100's project should be an improvement.
[08:09] <sil2100> Good to hear it could be useful!
[08:09] <ogra_> we have a pretty clear policy about package changelogs ... the prob is that we let people upload (indirectly) who never learned packaging
[08:09] <ogra_> so lot of required info gets lost
[08:10] <ogra_> and our tools dont really cover that yet
[08:10]  * ogra_ would like to have an extra field on the MP form "package and dependency changes" where you need to list such stuff for example
[08:10] <ahayzen_> ogra_, hmm or not it still doesn't run, there is no app log in ~/.cache/upstart and i haven't spotted anything obvious in syslog, dmesg and auth.log as of yet...
[08:11] <ogra_> ahayzen_, there must be an app log else your app wasnt started at all
[08:11] <ogra_> (like: your prob might be in the desktop file or so)
[08:11] <ahayzen_> ogra_, yeah thts wht it looks like it just flashes white screen then goes back to the dash
[08:12] <ogra_> do you have enough free diskspace ?
[08:12] <ahayzen_> ogra_, hmm but it works for Victor this is strange
[08:12] <ogra_> same image version ?
[08:12] <ogra_> (and same setup ? no debs installed, image readonly etc )
[08:13] <ahayzen_> ogra_, hang on it still thinks it is on #44 even though it rebooted and reflashed?! and is now asking to restart again
[08:13] <ogra_> compyre your systems ... that should help
[08:13]  * ogra_ gets coffee before the meeting
[08:13] <ahayzen_> ogra_, i think the update failed
[08:17] <mandel> didrocks, sil2100 morning! are we out of conf-0 ?
[08:18] <didrocks> mandel: I'm not really in charge, but that's what I think I read on sil2100's email
[08:18] <mandel> didrocks, oh, I forgot you moved, sorry :)
[08:18] <sil2100> mandel: yes, we are
[08:18] <sil2100> :)
[08:18] <mandel> sil2100, sweet, I'll get a request for udm then :)
[08:25]  * ogra_ looks at the UITK issue
[08:25] <Mirv> popey: did you have some apps to upload?
[08:25] <ogra_> File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/autopilot/introspection/__init__.py", line 173, in get_proxy_object_for_existing_process
[08:25] <ogra_>     raise ProcessSearchError(message_string)
[08:25] <ogra_> hmm
[08:25] <thomi> ogra_: what's up?
[08:25] <ogra_> does the UITK install autopilot-legacy ?
[08:26] <ogra_> thomi, we have half of the UITK tests failing in the last image ... i was wondering about the python2.7 in all these error messages
[08:27] <ogra_> sadly someon is already re-running them so there are not more logs i can look at
[08:27] <thomi> ogra_: if you get that in a stack trace then the legacy packages *must* be installed, right?
[08:27] <thomi> I don't think there's any way to get those files in utopic except by installing the -legacy packages
[08:27] <thomi> since the 1.5 packages don't install py2 files
[08:28] <ogra_> yeah, i'm not debating *that* they are installed ... i was wondering if they *should* ;)
[08:28] <thomi> oh, right
[08:28] <thomi> :)
[08:28] <thomi> I'm not sure what their test policy is there, sorry - ping me if you need any autopilot help though :)
[08:29] <ogra_> something clearly changed between 44 and 45 that made 84 tests fail ...
[08:29] <ogra_> right, i doubt it is an autopilot issue
[08:31] <sil2100> I wonder what could be the problem
[08:31] <sil2100> But... I actually saw something similar already in the past I think
[08:31] <sil2100> Most probably that's why someone re-ran the UITK tests, as before a re-run helped
[08:32] <popey> Mirv: not yet
[08:32] <sil2100> ogra_: meeting :)
[08:32] <ogra_> well, the logs would have been nice still ... they werent synced
[08:32] <Mirv> ouf
[08:32] <sil2100> mandel: can I use your silo for experiments? ;)
[08:32] <mandel> sil2100, what, the udm silo?
[08:33] <mandel> sil2100, sure, what do you want to test?
[08:33] <sil2100> popey, davmor2: are you guys busy today? :)
[08:33] <sil2100> mandel: let me get back to you after the meeting
[08:33] <mandel> sil2100, sure
[08:35] <popey> sil2100: there's a few sessions, why?
[08:35] <sil2100> popey: just asking if you guys will be on the meeting, nm now since you joined ;)
[08:37] <popey> ah
[08:42] <sil2100> mandel: what would be the ETA for landing the udm fixes you want a silo for? :)
[08:43] <mandel> sil2100, well, is not super urgent unless sergiusens needs the mms changes to be in trunk, the rest of the bugs are not critical (although they are marked as being as critical)
[08:44] <mandel> sil2100, and sergiusens has a ppa with what he needs, so we are good, why?
[08:47] <popey> davmor2: am filing terminal bug about font
[08:47] <davmor2> popey: ping me with it I will confirm it :)
[08:48] <sergiusens> mandel: I sent you an email; it doesn't work
[08:48] <sergiusens> mandel: so a silo would be good
[08:48] <mandel> sergiusens, hm.. really, I missed the mail, let me check
[08:48] <sergiusens> your udm in the ppa wants to remove all my apps
[08:49] <mandel> sergiusens, wtf?
[08:49] <mandel> sergiusens, really?
[08:49] <sergiusens> the package version is bad
[08:49] <sergiusens> don't use the recipe thing
[08:49] <mandel> sergiusens, hm.. I did not get the email, care to re-send it?
[08:50] <mandel> sergiusens, we are in the q for a silo, but sil2100 is asking funny questions...
[08:51] <sergiusens> mandel: it seems I don't have it either, brain dead
[08:51] <sergiusens> anyways, it doesn't work, did you test it?
[08:51] <mandel> sergiusens, no, I expected the recepi to do the right thing
[08:55] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-terminal-app/+bug/1322527
[08:59] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-terminal-app/+bug/1322529
[09:14] <Mirv> mandel: I gave you the silo now
[09:16] <sergiusens> mandel: does that silo include my upload fixes?
[09:17] <sergiusens> ah, it seems it does
[09:17]  * sergiusens goes and builds
[09:27] <sil2100> mandel: sorry, I was in a meeting
[09:27] <sil2100> Ah, Mirv already assigned a normal silo it seems, too bad ;/
[09:32]  * sil2100 wanted to use the preprod silo
[09:40] <Mirv> sil2100: oh! so what's in preprod?
[09:42] <sil2100> Mirv: some changes I wanted to experiment with, I need that to generate the commit log
[09:49] <jdstrand> sil2100: hey, I noticed silo 20 is assigned to me for the click-apparmor and apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu uploads from yesterday. it is all in the archive already and the silo can be freed
[09:49] <sil2100> jdstrand: oh, I thought it was freed, let me take a look
[09:50] <sil2100> Ah
[09:50] <jdstrand> sil2100: yesterday I had 06, which is what was freed, but now I have 20
[09:50] <sil2100> It seems Robert assigned the silo after I freed it
[09:50] <jdstrand> ok
[09:50] <sil2100> Since we didn't mention it being 'Landed' ;)
[09:50] <sil2100> jdstrand: thanks for noticing!
[09:50] <sil2100> :)
[09:50] <jdstrand> np
[09:51] <sil2100> Mirv: so, for this feature to get tested, I actually need the publishing step performed
[09:51] <sil2100> Mirv: so if you have any landing that is rather safe and would quickly be published, feel free to assign preprod to it ;p
[09:52] <sil2100> Wellark: ping
[09:53] <sil2100> Wellark: so, could you take a look at two things?
[09:54] <sil2100> Wellark: 1) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-network/+bug/1322490
[09:54] <Mirv> sil2100: I have that line 20, but the landing-010 has the signon-ui :(
[09:54] <Mirv> sil2100: but if signon-ui would be put to a separate landing, then you could just land that one
[09:55] <sil2100> Wellark: 2) the indicator-network crashes we're getting on dialer-app and messaging-app test suites
[09:56] <sil2100> Mirv: I would like that, let's try with dbarth
[09:56] <sil2100> dbarth: how's landing-010 proceeding?
[09:56] <sil2100> Oh
[09:56] <sil2100> Mirv: give me a sign once you make the split ;)
[09:56] <sil2100> (and if it's possible)
[09:57] <Mirv> ok, a split it is then, regardless of how 010 is going
[09:58] <Mirv> sil2100: split done, do you want to assign? I think you still need to ignore conflicts because of 002
[09:59] <sil2100> Mirv: let me try :)
[09:59] <mandel> sergiusens, 013 is building and should do the trick
[10:01] <sergiusens> mandel: yeah, I took the liberty to click on build :-)
[10:04] <Mirv> sil2100: shall I build?
[10:05] <fginther> popey, please try calculator
[10:06] <sil2100> Mirv: yes :)
[10:06] <sil2100> Mirv: don't publish yet though!
[10:07] <ogra_> sil2100, oh, given that the final gallery-app fix landed, should we roll an image with it ?
[10:07] <ogra_> (that kind of got lost in the meeting due to the long discussion)
[10:08] <ogra_> (well, once it is in the store as click at least)
[10:08] <popey> fginther: k
[10:08] <popey> fginther: looks like you did?
[10:08] <sil2100> ogra_: I guess we could once it's in the store, as it's not like a new image will block us
[10:09] <ogra_> right, and it might look even better
[10:09] <ogra_> oh, there is also a hybris upload that wasnt in 45
[10:09] <ogra_> so i think we should do a build in any case
[10:09] <ogra_> sergiusens, could you build the latest gallery-app for us ?
[10:09] <ogra_> (if that didnt happen yet)
[10:10] <ogra_> or poke bfiller or so
[10:12] <ogra_> ricmm, do you know anything about that last hybris upload ? seems ricardo didnt rebuild android for it
[10:15] <fginther> popey, changes are all done
[10:15] <fginther> popey, also kicked off new jobs for the ones that had failed
[10:16] <popey> thanks fginther
[10:18] <ricmm> ogra_: hybris upload? no idea
[10:18] <ricmm> either way some platform-api stuff landed last night
[10:18] <ricmm> that needed an android rebuild
[10:18] <ricmm> so todays image should be fine
[10:19] <ogra_> right, i think that already went into 45
[10:20] <ogra_> i was wondering about the upload that happened after 45 was built
[10:21] <ahayzen_> ogra_, we are still having issues running the app, is there anyone at the sprint who can help us, or can someone try the branch?
[10:21] <ricmm> what app
[10:21] <ahayzen_> ricmm, music-app we are trying to move to ubuntu-sdk-14.10-qml-dev1
[10:22] <ahayzen_> ricmm, so that then we can move to mediascanner2 and drop grilo from the image
[10:22] <ahayzen_> ogra_, ricmm, this is the branch we have going https://code.launchpad.net/~music-app-dev/music-app/use-mediascanner2.0
[10:23] <ogra_> ahayzen_, the toolkit people should be able to help i suspect
[10:24] <ahayzen_> ogra_, ok thanks we'll see if we can find someone
[10:37] <sil2100> Ok, I jump out for a bit now, be back soon
[10:37] <sil2100> Mirv: give me a ping once the silo is built ;)
[10:38] <Mirv> sil2100: I'm going for a lunch here now etc, but it's building at https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/landing-000-1-build/1/console and it will probably take about 30min from now so that everything is also published
[11:41] <sergiusens> ogra_: build and upload?
[11:42] <sergiusens> dpm: wrt camera, bill can and should update all the system apps now, but I can do it this time as he's travelling
[11:43] <dpm> sergiusens, that'd be good if you could do it this once for camera to get this fix in. Otherwise, I'm happy to ping bill too
[11:43] <sergiusens> dpm: bill is flying now, so I'll do it ;-)
[11:43] <dpm> aha, now I get the traveling reference :)
[11:43] <dpm> and why I cannot see him around ;)
[11:58] <ogra_> sergiusens, yes please
[11:58] <Mirv> sil2100: it does not seem the spreadsheet is catching the 000 being built, but it's built anyhow
[12:05] <ogra_> sergiusens, could you poke popey once that is done so it gets through ?
[12:05] <cjwatson> I guess I should try to land the "click chroot" support for ubuntu-sdk-14.10 today, since I've now had two MPs for it
[12:08] <asac> cjwatson: i wanted to upgrade to latest devel image with command line
[12:08] <asac> ran system-image-cli
[12:08] <asac> that blocked for a bit then exited but nothing happened
[12:08] <cjwatson> barry: ^- could you look into that?
[12:10] <asac> barry: i basically did what we discussed (since i dont have/want ubuntu one setup for the purpose of validating that we can upgrade without that)
[12:10] <asac> barry: e.g. no ubuntu one credentials, run the command line
[12:10] <asac> but nothing happened
[12:10] <asac> let me know what info you need
[12:11] <asac> barry: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7505359/
[12:11] <asac> thats what i have in system-image/log
[12:11] <asac> client.log
[12:12] <asac> wonder what cancels it
[12:12] <asac> maybe because the UI was aborting a day before when i didnt have ubuntu one credentials?
[12:19] <cjwatson> I noticed similar in a fresh x86 emulator instance that I created last week or so and hadn't done anything significant with yet, FWIW
[12:20] <cjwatson> I was in the process of recreating the emulator instance with a fresh image; but that's probably a quick way to reproduce it
[12:22] <cjwatson> Could somebody get https://code.launchpad.net/~click-hackers/click/devel/+merge/220794 into the landing process for me?  Our usual lander is on vacation
[12:25] <sil2100> Mirv: ok
[12:25] <sil2100> Mirv: well, 000 is being treated specially
[12:34] <ToyKeeper> grumble grumble razzen frazzen...  this unity8 crash keeps happening
[12:37] <barry> cjwatson, asac: known regression in u-d-m: LP: #1320306.  iiuc, mandel has a fix in progress
[12:47] <sergiusens> barry: asac that's in silo 13
[12:52] <Wellark> sil2100: will take care of 1) and 2) next week. commented on the bug.
[12:53] <sil2100> Wellark: excellent, we're considering a switch in policy and soon even such crash can become a promotion blocker
[12:54] <Wellark> sil2100: well, as long as you don't do it today ;)
[12:54] <sil2100> Not yet I guess ;]
[12:54] <Wellark> but I agree that none of the components should crash
[12:54] <sil2100> uh, my smiley became all robotic and squarish
[12:55] <Wellark> you need to detox from all this automation..
[12:55] <sil2100> Mirv: is the silo 000 tested and ready for release?
[12:55] <sil2100> Mirv: since without the silo sheet it's hard to indicate that ;)
[13:04] <asac> barry: so i cannot upgrade anymore?
[13:04] <asac> barry: doesnt help me if there is a fix
[13:04] <asac> i have a promoted image here
[13:04] <asac> installed and now i cannot upgrade :/
[13:04] <asac> 28 i am on
[13:04] <davmor2> asac: can you update if you reboot?
[13:05] <asac> davmor2: you mean reboot and try again to run the cli?
[13:05] <Mirv> sil2100: it is, in the sense of "I've installed it and I've looked at the debdiff". the only change to both is a build-dep change from qtsensors5-dev (transitional package) to libqt5sensors5-dev
[13:05] <asac> i cannot upgrade in UI for sure because i dont have ubuntu one
[13:05] <barry> asac: it's a problem.  i couldn't even run my own test suite locally without cowboying in a fix.  we really need to get dep8 integration tests into udm
[13:05] <davmor2> asac: ouch
[13:06] <asac> barry: the ubuntu one thing is a problem?
[13:06] <barry> si-cli won't help, it still uses udm underneath
[13:06] <asac> or that we are stuck?
[13:06] <asac> but i am not the only person that was on #28
[13:06] <asac> why am i the only one stuck now?
[13:06] <asac> anyway, let me reboot and try again
[13:06] <davmor2> asac: U1 account is just sso you must have that to login to LP
[13:06] <barry> asac: afaik, the u1 thing is a ui problem, separate from the udm canceled signal.  si-cli *would* help with that
[13:07] <asac> barry: ok, and udm can be better after reboot?
[13:07]  * asac rebooted
[13:07] <asac> now tries
[13:07] <barry> asac: see sergiusens's response above.  that fix is in silo13
[13:08] <asac> so is everybody now stuck on #28?
[13:08] <asac> oh
[13:08] <asac> now it worked after reboot
[13:08] <asac> good enough
[13:08] <Mirv> sil2100: hey, can you check landing-015 (line 25). it has a QA sign-off needed, but that should be either removed (since not traincon-0 anymore) or QA should be pinged (since they assume they don't need to do those at the moment).
[13:11] <asac> davmor2: barry : \o/ i am on #44 now
[13:11] <asac> rebooting apparently cured the cli problem
[13:11] <davmor2> asac: <o/
[13:11] <barry> asac: yay!
[13:11] <asac> thanks for the hint
[13:11] <davmor2> \o/
[13:12] <asac> barry: mandel: so could you guys sit together and invent something that we all can call "bullet proof upgrading"?
[13:12] <asac> i think that concept must assume that our normal stack will be broken eventually
[13:12] <asac> and still useres should be able to upgrade without having to use adb
[13:12] <asac> its very important that we somehow can resurrect our market products in case we did a mistake
[13:12] <asac> (which can happen)
[13:13] <asac> i assume we need a completely separate code path that can be triggered by something on system-image server
[13:13] <asac> so we basically have two times the same code ... maybe just trailing
[13:13] <asac> maybe completely different ;)
[13:13] <asac> ... of ourse thats just one idea
[13:13] <ogra_> asac, users wont be able to easily use adb in the shipped product
[13:13] <asac> better ideas welcome
[13:14] <asac> 15:12 < asac> and still useres should be able to upgrade without having to use adb
[13:14] <ogra_> (it will be off by default)
[13:14] <ogra_> right
[13:14] <asac> i didnt say anything differnt
[13:14] <asac> :)
[13:14] <ogra_> just saying ... the adb path will be even more complex then
[13:14] <asac> so for one we need a fastboot oem equiv for our market phones
[13:15] <asac> but thats probably something the phone manufactur has to figure
[13:15] <sil2100> Ok
[13:15] <asac> unless they want to use fastboot
[13:15] <sil2100> Mirv: it's not needer right now, let me remove that and publish
[13:15] <asac> but i am talking about something else that is still UI and just ensures that if we messed thigns up
[13:15] <barry> asac: i've been thinking about resurrecting the built-in download manager for s-i.  it wouldn't use it by default, but it would be a fallback in cases such as this.
[13:16] <barry> that plus dep8 integration tests for both si and udm (for which we have open bugs)
[13:16] <ogra_> asac, we should use fastboot if possible, ellse we need to change our flash tool
[13:16] <ogra_> and if we use fastboot anyway we can also ask for some similar unlock mechanism like we have on the nexus (probably called differently to not directly copy google)
[13:18] <ogra_> barry, is the "can not write log as non root" issue still on your list ? we have a crash in the daily AP tests since nearly a year now, would really be nice to get rid of that wart some day
[13:19] <barry> ogra_: it is.  i'm working on si 2.3 this week and next
[13:19] <ogra_> cool !
[13:19] <sil2100> ogra_: quick packaging +1 needed, easy change: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/landing-015-2-publish/24/artifact/packaging_changes_messaging-app_0.1+14.10.20140522-0ubuntu1.diff <- more things installed simply
[13:20] <ogra_> wheee ! MMS !! for the rich ones :)
[13:20] <ogra_> sil2100, ackedy ack :)
[13:21] <sil2100> Thanks :)
[13:21] <sil2100> ;p
[13:24] <didrocks> ogra_: you will be now personnally guilty if I receive any comercial mms on my phone… :p
[13:24] <ogra_> didrocks, thats sergiusens' baby, not mine ...
[13:24] <ogra_> also recieving doesnt cost anything ...
[13:24] <didrocks> ogra_: you acked it, so I held you personnally responsible
[13:25] <didrocks> ogra_: still, it's spam! :)
[13:25] <ogra_> hah
[13:25] <ogra_> as long as you dont send one ...
[13:25] <didrocks> no chance for that :p
[13:25] <ogra_> sending the complete phone per UPS to get your videos and pics across is cheaper than an MMS :)
[13:25]  * didrocks should mostly send one sms a month
[13:25] <didrocks> ahah
[13:28] <sil2100> hah ;)
[13:31] <ahayzen_> ogra_, FYI after discussions with SDK people found you have to bump the policy version of appamor to 1.2 as well :)
[13:31] <ogra_> aha !
[13:31] <ogra_> good to know. thanks
[13:44] <sil2100> ogra_: another quick batch of packaging changes, prepared by Timo (so safe): https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/landing-000-2-publish/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/packaging_changes_qtubuntu_0.54+14.10.20140523-0ubuntu1.diff and https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/landing-000-2-publish/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/packaging_changes_qtubuntu-sensors_0.6+14.10.20140523-0ubuntu1.diff
[13:44] <sil2100> ogra_: qtsensors5-dev is a transitional package
[13:45] <sil2100> ogra_: so it's best to depend on the real one
[13:45] <ogra_> sil2100, ack ... isnt Mirv core dev ? why do i have to ack that ?
[13:46] <sil2100> ogra_: no, he's not
[13:46] <ogra_> oh, k
[13:46] <ogra_> i always thought he is :)
[13:46] <sil2100> ogra_: he per-packaging upload powers though for the qt stack ;)
[13:46] <sil2100> *he has
[13:46] <ogra_> ah, right
[13:47] <ogra_> sil2100, just a heads up, i'm seeding nuntium for MMS stuff (now didrocks can actually make me responsible :P )
[13:47] <sil2100> Finally! ;)
[13:48] <sil2100> I mean, finally seeding, not 'finally ogra can be responsible'
[13:48] <ogra_> well, only reception ... for sending we need golang-udm to get out of new
[13:48] <ogra_> i pinged #ubuntu-release a few times over the last days ... but no reaction yet
[13:53] <ogra_> (and sadly infinity is busy arguing with ScottK atm so i guess that last ping got unnoticed)
[13:53] <ogra_> (now that was a subtle personal ping, wasn't it ? ;) )
[14:01] <sil2100> ;)
[14:02] <ogra_> Mirv, https://code.launchpad.net/~timo-jyrinki/kubuntu-packaging/qtdeclarative-opensource-src_fixpkgname/+merge/220601 didnt have an accompanying -gles upload, did it ?
[14:25] <Mirv> ogra_: nope, since the packages affected are not in the -gles package
[14:25] <ogra_> ah, k
[14:25] <Mirv> this time I'd have remembered it otherwise :)
[14:26] <ogra_> heh
[14:56] <ogra_> popey, are you around ? (is the new gallery-app in the store  ? )
[14:57] <sil2100> Damn, today is a crazy day
[14:59] <ogra_> travel preparations ?
[15:07] <popey> ogra_: no idea, i haven't been involved
[15:08] <popey> "Approved by Sergio Schvezov on 2014-05-22 15:54 - 23 hours, 13 minutes ago"
[15:08] <popey> so no
[15:09] <ogra_> could you let it in or are you already traveling ?
[15:10] <didrocks> ogra_: back from exercise and I hate you :p
[15:10] <ogra_> hah, why ?
[15:11] <didrocks> "(now didrocks can actually make me responsible :P )"
[15:11] <ogra_> heh
[15:11] <didrocks> and no, I won't feed the troll on #ubuntu-release :p
[15:11] <ogra_> lol
[15:12] <ogra_> that was my little vengeance for all the thunder and rain you sent up north !
[15:12] <didrocks> ogra_: ahah, *blue sky* here :p
[15:12] <sil2100> ogra_: that too, but in overall there's a lot to do today
[15:12] <sil2100> Anyway, I think the worst is over
[15:12] <sil2100> ;)
[15:12] <didrocks> (a little too much actually, my openstack tee-shirt is too grey and get heat :p)
[15:13] <ogra_> didrocks, yeah, i forwarded that stuff in sil2100's direction ... blue sky here now too again
[15:13] <didrocks> ahah!
[15:13] <sil2100> Yeah, been outside today as well, cursing my habit of wearing only black
[15:13] <sil2100> Thought I'll die
[15:13] <popey> ogra_: its not been submitted
[15:13] <popey> ogra_: i am here all evening
[15:13] <ogra_> sil2100, oh, didnt the thunderstorms arrive yet ?
[15:13] <popey> but we are all sat around watching lightning talks
[15:14] <ogra_> i thought they move further north east
[15:14] <sil2100> ogra_: no, not yet - not here at least!
[15:14] <ogra_> hmm, and sergio seems to be off
[15:14] <sil2100> I beg youuu, give me raain
[15:14] <ogra_> haha
[15:14] <ogra_> yeah, it was quire refreshing last night
[15:14] <sil2100> ogra_: who can also help us out with getting gallery-app released?
[15:15] <ogra_> well, usually sergio is my point of contact
[15:15] <ogra_> i guess bfiller could too
[15:15] <popey> you need to ask sergio or bfiller, yes
[15:18] <sil2100> I don't see Bill online sadly
[15:18] <sil2100> popey: what about Timo (Mirv)? Can he help us as well maybe?
[15:19] <popey> i see Mirv across the room
[15:19] <popey> wait 10 mins when the lightning talks finish and you'll get replies no doubt
[15:20] <ogra_> ++
[15:20] <sil2100> popey: excellent, thanks Alan!
[15:20]  * sil2100 noticed that popey and davmor2 are best messagers ever
[15:21] <popey> i spy people leaving for the bar
[15:21] <popey> will ask people to talk to you
[15:23] <popey> sil2100: bill has left
[15:23] <popey> what exactly do you need doing?
[15:23] <sil2100> popey: we would need the new gallery-app released as a click
[15:23] <sil2100> Like, available for the new image
[15:23] <ogra_> popey, we want to build an image with the new gallery-app
[15:23] <sil2100> As that version has one additional flaky test fixed
[15:23] <popey> ok.
[15:24] <ogra_> i had pinged sergio above ... i thought he had built and submitted
[15:24] <sil2100> But... on the other hand...
[15:24] <popey> a click from what bzr rev?
[15:24] <sil2100> popey: from trunk
[15:24] <sil2100> ogra_: actually, we don't need that released even
[15:24] <sil2100> ogra_: since the last fix for the flaky test was in autopilot tests only
[15:24] <ogra_> the deb was released already iirc
[15:25] <sil2100> ogra_: so, the fix is in trunk, so smoketesting will use the right test version and pass
[15:25] <ogra_> oh
[15:25] <sil2100> ogra_: as click tests fetch tests from bzr trunk :)
[15:25] <ogra_> lets build an image then :)
[15:25] <sil2100> So I guess we should be fine!
[15:25] <sil2100> (if nothing changed inbetween)
[15:25] <popey> latest build in jenkins I see is bzr revno 984
[15:26] <sil2100> https://code.launchpad.net/~artmello/gallery-app/gallery-app-autopilot_issue/+merge/220633 <- I see that the fix is more of a hack ;p Love the 5 second wait
[15:26] <popey> trunk is 984
[15:26] <Mirv> sil2100: popey ogra_: so what I know I can do is trigger click builds (at least I used to be able) and upload to the store
[15:26] <popey> Mirv: the click is built http://s-jenkins:8080/view/click/job/gallery-app-click/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/out/com.ubuntu.gallery_<IP_ADDRESS>4_armhf.click
[15:26] <popey> I am happy to run AP tests on a device
[15:27] <ogra_> well, looks liek we wont even need that by what sil2100 said
[15:27] <Mirv> ahum
[15:27] <Mirv> oh autopilot only
[15:27] <sil2100> Yea
[15:27] <Mirv> popey: so, no need really ^
[15:27] <popey> ok
[15:28] <sil2100> popey: thanks for your readiness ;)
[15:28] <Mirv> anything else needs releasing, no?
[15:28]  * popey notes Mirv is as ready to hit the bar as me
[15:28] <Mirv> :D
[15:28] <ogra_> go guys ...
[15:28] <ogra_> sil2100, build triggered
[15:28] <Mirv> "I wouldn't have but ogra ordered"
[15:28] <sil2100> ogra_: o/
[15:29] <popey> \o/
[15:29] <ogra_> :)
[15:29] <popey> have a great weekend guys
[15:29] <ogra_> you too
[15:29] <ogra_> and safe flight
[15:29] <popey> its been a great week
[15:29] <popey> I'm sure next week will be too
[15:29]  * ogra_ hopes so
[15:29] <Mirv> great week indeed, and the next one hopefully rocks too
[15:29] <didrocks> safe flight popey!
[15:34] <sil2100> popey: o/
[15:35] <imgbot> [15:48]  * ogra_ sees that didrocks decided to feed the troll on the Ml instead
[15:48] <didrocks> ogra_: well, I had to answer to things where people only discovers things discussed publically multiple times
[15:48] <didrocks> with him on top of that
[15:48] <didrocks> so, better to clear how this is working :)
[15:49] <ogra_> yeah
[16:03] <sil2100> ogra_: hm, ok, let's maybe skip this meeting now
[16:03] <ogra_> bah
[16:03] <sil2100> Since no dogfooders, no robru and no new image to check
[16:03] <sil2100> And no promotions
[16:03] <ogra_> you tell me after i climbed the stiars to my office !
[16:03] <sil2100> It's just me, ev and plars on the HO ;)
[16:03] <ogra_> i'm fine with skipping
[16:04] <ogra_> we'll meet monday anyway
[16:08] <didrocks> ogra_: he's thinking about your health
[16:08] <didrocks> training you up and down ;)
[16:09] <ogra_> yeah ...
[16:09]  * ogra_ goes for a run
[16:09] <ogra_> (... down the stairs)
[16:09]  * didrocks notes down and will ensure ogra_ is coming to your daily run next weeks
[16:09] <didrocks> :p
[16:09] <ogra_> lol
[16:09] <ogra_> if you like whisteling steam engines 100m behind you
[16:10] <didrocks> ahah
[16:10] <Laney> I can bring my whip if that helps
[16:10] <didrocks> \o/
[16:10] <didrocks> Laney for the rescue :p
[16:10] <didrocks> to*
[16:10] <Laney> ;)
[16:11] <ogra_> with indianer jones hat too ?
[16:12] <didrocks> oh, you start having demands!
[16:12] <sil2100> ;)
[16:13] <ogra_> whipping -> only in the right outfit ...
[16:13] <Laney> phew
[16:13] <Laney> that could have gone in a very different direction
[16:13]  * Laney ahem
[16:15] <ogra_> heh
[16:49] <imgbot> [16:50] <imgbot> [16:50] <sil2100> \o/
[17:21] <ogra_> sil2100, do you plan a landing mail today ?
[17:25] <sil2100> ogra_: yes, there will be one soon
[17:26] <ogra_> ok, just wanted to know if i should look for it :)
[17:26] <sil2100> ogra_: just want to finish coding something
[17:26] <ogra_> no hurry
[17:26] <sil2100> ogra_: yeah, we have to inform about the new blockers and issues :)
[17:26] <ogra_> :)
[17:27] <ogra_> ugh
[17:28] <ogra_> 46 fell over on all devices
[17:28] <sil2100> Nice
[17:28] <ogra_> "subprocess.CalledProcessError: Command 'phablet-network --skip-setup' returned non-zero exit status 124"
[17:28] <sil2100> plars: ^
[17:29] <ogra_> (thats manta)
[17:30] <ogra_> cant really make out what mako did
[17:31] <ogra_> flo has the same issue as manta
[17:32] <plars> hmm
[17:32] <cking> plars, i've pushed another tweak to the arm profiles for health-check tests
[17:32] <plars> looking
[17:32] <plars> cking: ack
[17:33] <cking> plars, BTW, I've not seen any recent activity on the wakeups tests, http://ci.ubuntu.com/power/eventstat/arch/amd64/
[17:33] <plars> cking: yes, I noticed that too
[17:33] <plars> cking: I'm trying to troubleshoot what's going on there, but there seem to be other problems with the daily image right now
[17:33] <cking> just though I'd flag it up
[17:33] <plars> cking: ack, thanks
[17:33] <cking> ok, no probs
[17:33] <cking> whenever :-)
[17:33] <plars> cking: I'm *hoping* that once the other images settle out, it will just work
[17:34] <cking> ack
[17:34] <plars> sil2100: so why did you break the image? :)
[17:34] <ogra_> haha
[17:35] <sil2100> huh?! What, meee?
[17:35] <sil2100> How?!
[17:35] <ogra_> we added MMS support ... all tests have to be send as MMS video to the device now
[17:35]  * sil2100 is innocent
[17:36] <sil2100> Yeah, let's blame the MMS support and blame ogra_ for it!
[17:36] <ogra_> heh
[17:36] <ogra_> not my fault :)
[17:36]  * ogra_ tries to upgrade his test flo
[17:37] <plars> network seems to be failing on the ones i've looked at so far
[17:37] <ogra_> i see hybris was updated
[17:38] <ogra_> plars, no networking related changes though
[17:38] <ogra_> http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/46.changes
[17:38] <sil2100> Could it mean that indeed the network issue is still not fixed then?
[17:38] <sil2100> And we get the problem from time to time still?
[17:38]  * ogra_ doubts that
[17:38] <plars> this seems different
[17:38] <ogra_> yeah
[17:38] <plars> it's *every* run of every device
[17:39] <slangasek> is anyone about who knows the cupstream2distro code?
[17:39] <slangasek> or is that all didrocks?
[17:39] <plars> for instance, what you see with mako is really three separate runs on three separate devices - all failed
[17:39] <ogra_> ah, thats why the log looks so different
[17:40] <ogra_> slangasek, i suspect its all didrocks ...
[17:41] <slangasek> ogra_: ok, that's what I was afraid of ;) thanks
[17:41] <plars> I have network on manta at least
[17:41] <slangasek> robru: unless you know something about cupstream2distro?
[17:41] <plars> but the fact that it tried to test the network was up and failed at one point seems to indicate it wasn't stable
[17:41] <ogra_> lets see, my flo is flashing now
[17:41] <plars> and on the other manta run, it died on the first phablet-network
[17:43] <ogra_> hmm
[17:43] <ogra_> so my flo flashed, rebooted and all looks fine
[17:44] <ogra_> no network issues here
[17:44] <ogra_> and it says 46 ...
[17:51] <plars> I'll try my mako here
[17:59] <ogra_> hmm
[18:00] <ogra_> so the device behaves perfectly normal ... except for the volume buttons
[18:06] <plars> my mako at home seems ok too
[18:06] <plars> I wonder if that access point is having problems
[18:06] <plars> weird that manta can attach though
[18:07] <ogra_> yeah
[18:09] <ogra_> rsalveti, did you make any audio related changes recentlly ? my flo behaves really weird wrt sound playback
[18:10] <ogra_> volume buttons are aa complete no-op, when i play any sounds there is a crackling/popping at the start as if it powers the amp on and off
[18:32] <plars> ogra_: ok, I got rick to reboot the AP in the lab, still no luck
[18:32] <plars> ogra_: but my mako at home is fine too
[18:32] <plars> ogra_: and he can connect to the ap in the lab with other devices just fine
[18:56] <plars> ogra_: taking one of the affected devices and flashing it back to image 45, I see the wifi working again
[18:56] <plars> ogra_: going to flash it back to 46 now
[19:06] <rsalveti> ogra_: no changes, let me flash latest on my flo to check
[19:14] <plars> wierd, it works too now
[19:14] <plars> I'm going to just re-kick the makos, and if that works, I'll re-kick the others
[19:33] <plars> ok, well whatever was happening, it seems better now... mako is making progress at least
[19:39] <sil2100> plars: thanks!
[19:39]  * sil2100 EODs
[19:39] <sil2100> o/
[20:26] <dobey> mhr3: you're still around?
[20:42] <dobey> cyphermox, rsalveti: hi, mhr3 marked the unity-scope-click landing as ready earlier today (silo 018) i think. can we get it landed/published now?
[20:54] <rsalveti> dobey: silo 018?
[20:54] <rsalveti> https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuDk72Lpx8U5dFVHQ3FuMDJGLUZCamJfSjYzbWh3Wnc#gid=36
[20:54] <rsalveti> marked as tested anyway, publishing
[20:55] <dobey> rsalveti: yeah, that. thanks
[20:55] <rsalveti> dobey: done


[03:04] <Pupuser402-1> stuff
[14:44] <ace_suares1> hey ogra
[14:46] <ace_suares1> is everybody extermely busy with some karmic cycle or on vacation or what.... it's very veyr quiet...
[19:52] <out-of-hand> good evening to everyone ... can someone please assist me .. im still new to Ubuntu. i have already got Edubuntu Gcompris 8.4.4 installed , i see there is a updated version or Gcompris 8.4.12 . i downloaded Gcompris 8.4.12.tar.gz .... but having difficulty trying to understand how to i install the new version ? can anyone assist me ?
[19:54] <alkisg> !info gcompris
[19:55] <out-of-hand> huh ?
[19:55] <alkisg> out-of-hand: you'd have to compile from source, or backport it to hardy... That would be hard for someone new to ubuntu
[19:56] <alkisg> That version that you say is only present in the development version, 9.10, which will be out in October
[19:58] <out-of-hand> yes agreed , im trying to google it .. and find a way to install it ... although from my understanding i see in the tar.gz file a file called "intltool-update" and gcompris-installer.nsi.in ... but i have no idea what im doing when i click them to open
[19:58] <out-of-hand> oh ... ok
[19:59] <alkisg> nsi is the windows nsis installer, it isn't used in ubuntu
[19:59] <alkisg> So the best thing to do I think would be to stick to the packaged version :)
[20:00] <out-of-hand> ok :) thanks ... i was un aware it was nsi ... windows installer
[20:01] <out-of-hand> is there anywhere i can learn basics or shell commands ? i hate the idea that i get stuck ... used to stupid windows EXE  and self installers
[20:01] <alkisg> The tar.gz is the whose source code, which can be compiled for linux distros or windows. But if you're new to linux, then compiling from source will only bring you trouble
[20:02] <out-of-hand> alkisg thanks for that ... i was confused
[20:02] <alkisg> I'm sure google will show a lot of tutorials for shell introduction...
[20:02] <alkisg> ...I don't have something specific to propose to you, though
[20:03] <out-of-hand> oh .. not a problem :) u have been helpful :) thanks alot
[20:04] <alkisg> You're welcome
[20:05] <out-of-hand> cant i get some code like all security updates on a CD ... basically what i need to do it install a fresh version of ubuntu and the pc has not internet, so i would like to download the all current updates on a cd and install it via the cd ? is there a way?
[20:06] <out-of-hand> is it a off line repository ---  i think ?


[14:55] <sasa84> hello
[14:56] <sasa84> does anyone else have a problem with one string in transmission? http://screencloud.net/v/4huQ
[15:04] <dobey> error seems pretty direct to me
[15:05] <ricotz> hi, ppa-builder https://launchpad.net/builders/chindi02 might be broken
[15:05] <cjwatson> looking
[15:05] <dobey> s/might be/is/
[15:05] <dobey> and it seems to be broken a lot and often :(
[15:06] <cjwatson> Ah, yes, Xen
[15:06] <cjwatson> I've disabled it and I'll ask for it to be rebuilt
[15:06] <ricotz> cjwatson, thx
[15:07] <cjwatson> I'll work on giving back the failures too
[15:09] <cjwatson> Sigh, been broken for a while, too
[15:10] <ricotz> none of my builds hit it until just now ;)
[15:33] <czajkowski> jamespage: ping
[15:33] <jamespage> czajkowski, hey
[15:33] <czajkowski> ello :)
[15:33] <czajkowski> free for a quick pm ?
[15:36] <czajkowski> jamespage: ^
[15:36] <jamespage> czajkowski, sure
[15:57] <cjwatson> dobey: regarding sasa84's question, the problem would appear to be that the msgstr is of basically the same form as the msgid, and yet the error says that the msgstr doesn't look like a format string unlike the msgid
[15:58] <cjwatson> I don't know a whole lot about LP Translations but it does look like a pretty weird message
[15:59] <dobey> cjwatson: well, i'm guessing LP probably doesn't validate the incoming pot file from the upstream untranslated string for msgids, but does validate when you try to submit a msgstr
[15:59] <cjwatson> Perhaps, I don't know
[15:59] <dobey> so yes, it's a problem with the upstream string.
[15:59] <cjwatson> LP also shouldn't be saying things that aren't true
[16:00] <dobey> it's not
[16:00] <dobey> the error message given is true
[16:00] <cjwatson> "'msgstr' is not a valid C format string, unlike 'msgid'"
[16:00] <cjwatson> if the part before the comma is true, then the part after the comma is untrue
[16:01] <dobey> oh, right.
[16:02] <sasa84> hi cjwatson
[16:02] <dobey> it's probably assuming that because it didn't fail to import, that it's valid. or the error is coming straight from a gettext tool
[16:04] <cjwatson> Mm, you may well be right that it's the latter; I don't see that string in the LP codebase
[16:04] <cjwatson> Somebody who actually knows about LP Translations might know more
[16:06] <dobey> regardless of any issue in lp or gettext, the upstream string is clearly broken and needs to be fixed
[16:06] <dobey> %'d is not any more valid than %&#x27d
[16:07] <cjwatson> Er, is too
[16:07] <cjwatson> "'      For decimal conversion (i, d, u, f, F, g, G) the output is to be grouped with thousands' grouping characters if the locale information indicates any."
[16:07] <cjwatson> printf(3)
[16:12] <dobey> oh. hrmm, that string is obsolete anyway
[16:12] <dobey> it doesn't seem to exist in https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/saucy/transmission/saucy/view/head:/gtk/filter.c
[16:12] <dobey> particularly not on line 898 as mentioned
[16:15] <cjwatson> dobey: You can't rely on that, since the import failed: http://package-import.ubuntu.com/status/transmission.html
[16:15] <cjwatson> Would require checking the actual source package
[16:15] <cjwatson> (And that's been failing for over a year)
[16:17] <dobey> oh
[16:18] <dobey> i wish *that* would get fixed so that the branches are always up to doate :(
[20:03] <mfisch> is there a way to export/make a patch a set of changes from one branch into another non-related branch? This includes binary files, which is the issue.
[20:03] <mfisch> I tried bzr export -r-2..-1 .. and the diff obviously doesn't include binaries
[20:13] <dobey> i don't think so, no. not easily anyway
[20:20] <dobey> you could use xdelta to build a diff instead, that must be applied with xdelta
[20:25] <mfisch> dobey: thanks, I did a patch + cp -a for the binaries
[20:26] <dobey> mfisch: are you trying to patch them into a .deb or something?
[20:27] <mfisch> dobey: we have some customizations for ubuntu-touch, the branches diverged a long time ago, but we added a new feature today that can be shared
[20:30] <bkerensa> Can someone confirm how frequently LP does translation jobs?
[20:30] <bkerensa> is it nightly or every two days?
[23:23] <wgrant> bkerensa: What kind of translation jobs? There are numerous.
[23:23] <bkerensa> wgrant: generation of templates
[23:24] <bkerensa> wgrant: right now launchpad is showing ubuntu-docs/saucy as 80% translated
[23:24] <bkerensa> but thats not accurate
[23:24] <bkerensa> since no translation work has been done on the saucy ubuntu-docs branch yet
[23:24] <wgrant> That sounds like statistics updates.
[23:24] <bkerensa> wgrant: and that takes how long?
[23:24] <wgrant> bkerensa: Translations are shared between series.
[23:24] <bkerensa> yes
[23:24] <bkerensa> so
[23:24] <bkerensa> if raring had some strings alread translated then it would show that percentage in saucy?
[23:25] <bkerensa> if minimal changes were made?
[23:25] <wgrant> If 80% of the ubuntu-docs/saucy strings are the same as ubuntu-docs/raring, saucy is 80% translated.
[23:25] <bkerensa> k
[23:25] <bkerensa> thanks for clarification on that
[23:25] <bkerensa> I will let translations team know
[23:34] <Akiva-Server> sorry for a newb question, but I had been using bazaar explorer for awhile, and the process of throwing my latest code up on launchpad was, a) Commit, then b) push. Now that I changed computers, and set up bazaar again, my push option is gone, and committing alone makes my code appear on launchpad... Did I fundamentally misunderstand something here?
[23:35] <Akiva-Server> I was under the impression that committing is like putting on the wrapping paper, and pushing was about mailing it to launchpad.
[23:39] <Akiva-Server> When I pushed, was I needlessly overwriting my old project or something?
[23:39] <wgrant> Akiva-Server: Bazaar also has the concept of checkouts (aka. "bound branches") that automatically push and pull from the remote server when you commit and update.
[23:39] <wgrant> It sounds like you've got a checkout now.
[23:40] <wgrant> They operate pretty much identically to normal branches, except that the push/pull steps are implicit.
[23:40] <Akiva-Server> Okay, so is it more like realtime code editing?
[23:41] <Akiva-Server> wgrant: And thanks for explaining that to me
[23:41] <wgrant> Akiva-Server: You still have to commit
[23:41] <wgrant> It just looks a bit more like a centralised VCS, like Subversion.
[23:41] <wgrant> Because commits always immediately go to the server.
[23:42] <Akiva-Server> wgrant: Ah. I must of pushed checkout not realizing what it did, and thus it set this all up for me?
[23:43] <wgrant> Akiva-Server: Right. You can easily convert between a checkout and a branch using 'bzr bind' and 'bzr unbind', but I'm not sure if Bazaar Explorer has a button for that.
[23:43] <Akiva-Server> wgrant: Great thanks.
[23:44] <Akiva-Server> +1
[23:44] <Akiva-Server> !cookie wgrant
[23:44] <Akiva-Server> lol, there is actually a bot here :P
[23:47] <bkerensa> wgrant: is there anyway to track changes made to a project? Like see who has changed settings?


[12:51] <ogra_> could someone re-score https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu-rtm/14.09/ubuntu-touch/+build/9639 so that it wont sit for 7h
[13:27] <slangasek> wgrant: ^^ could you help with ogra's request?
[13:29] <wgrant> if i can find my laptop
[13:46] <wgrant> ogra_: Done.
[13:46]  * wgrant out
[13:46] <ogra_> thanks !
[16:01] <ogra_> can some archive admin please bump the score for https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu-rtm/14.09/ubuntu-touch/+build/9645 and https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu-rtm/14.09/ubuntu-touch/+build/9646 ...
[16:02] <ogra_> stgraber, i think you will be the first one to land ... in case you see this ^^^ please bump them, this is an emergency rollback
[16:02] <cjwatson> I'm here, one sec
[16:02] <cjwatson> done
[16:03] <cjwatson> (my flight doesn't leave until tomorrow)
[17:11] <wxl-phone> When are we going to have daily builds?
[18:11] <cjwatson> wxl-phone: I'll probably try to set them up before I leave for home tomorrow.
[18:11] <wxl-phone> cjwatson: thank you sir!
[19:21] <cjwatson> Daily builds should be on now for vivid, hopefully.
[19:21] <cjwatson> (Untested; I'll let cron do the testing.)
[19:27] <elfy> cjwatson: awesome and thanks :)