[02:39] <RedAngel> hi everyone, does anyone know how to customize ubuntu minimal iso
[04:56] <ashickur-noor> http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/secure-boot-vs-restricted-boot/statement
[10:56] <wisevoyager> does anyone know how to connect with wimax on ubuntu 11.10? thanks in advanced for any helps.
[10:56] <ashickur-noor> I am also searching it
[10:57] <wisevoyager> I wanna try to connect to my wimax with my wiggy usb modem
[11:00] <ApOgEE> I don't have such modem
[11:01] <wisevoyager> Ap0gEE, ade ko kat sini?
[11:01] <ApOgEE> wisevoyager: this is my home
[11:01] <wisevoyager> fening r X leh connect wimax pakai wiggy modem
[11:02] <ApOgEE> wisevoyager: please use #ubuntu-my for malay support ;)
[11:02] <wisevoyager> 0k..x2
[12:13] <duanedesign> wisevoyager, their is a linix wimax  mailing list that might be of some help
[12:13] <duanedesign> http://lists.linuxwimax.org/listinfo/wimax
[12:14] <duanedesign> click the archives link at the top to browse past discussions. It does look like wimax on Ubuntu 11.10 has been discussed on the list
[12:14] <duanedesign> http://lists.linuxwimax.org/pipermail/wimax/2011-October/thread.html
[15:34] <coalwater> how do i kick an ssh user using another ssh session
[15:34] <coalwater> is there another way other than killing the PID
[15:35] <coalwater> something like kick foo or something lol
[15:51] <coalwater> hey ashams
[15:52] <ashams> coalwater, hey buddy :)
[15:53] <coalwater> come to #ubuntu-beginners-team
[17:30] <truepurple> Can someone help me with mounting a partition?
[17:32] <urlin2u> truepurple, what have you tried so far?
[17:33] <truepurple> I made the partition using gpart, I reformated it again also using gpart
[17:33] <truepurple> I was getting strange errors saying "Daemon Is Inhibited"
[17:34] <truepurple> not just from the partition when I tried to mount or unmount it, which showed but could not be used in nautilus, but from my flash drive
[17:34] <urlin2u> truepurple, did yu create it in a extended, and is the swap in there on or off, and what type of partition?"
[17:35] <urlin2u> truepurple, a image would be best of it really in imagebin, for me.
[17:35] <urlin2u> a gparted image
[17:35] <truepurple> I created in primary, which brings up another issue, gparts options of creating extended partitions is grayed out, I do not want to fill out my primary drive alotment just to make a extended, how do i do that
[17:36] <truepurple> it was FS ext4, and I want it to be of general data type with open permission
[17:36] <truepurple> urlin2u, a image of empty space? I don't follow what you mean
[17:37] <urlin2u> truepurple, take a screen shot of gparted looking at the drive.
[17:38] <urlin2u> truepurple, a extended will hold virtually a unlimited amount of partitions you understand that right?
[17:38] <truepurple> yes
[17:39] <urlin2u> the only draw back is booting a windows sytem from it can be done though, but logicals there can be read by linux and windows.
[17:39] <truepurple> urlin2u, I eventually want to set up my system for a duel boot with win7, so I need to control type, since win7 won't want to go on a extended partition from what I know
[17:40] <truepurple> urlin2u, So the options of logical extendeds being grayed out is a real pain, is there a fix? Another program I can use?
[17:40] <urlin2u> correct not with hacking basically, so to make this easiest take a screen shot of gparted I have limited time before I go to classes at the university.
[17:40] <truepurple> urlin2u, gparted is acting slow, still waiting for it to read everything
[17:41] <urlin2u> truepurple, only one extended per HD is allowed and generally the swap is off to do anything with a extended including building one I suspect.
[17:42] <truepurple> urlin2u, it might take awhile, in the mean time since your time is so short, please keep on trying to help
[17:42] <urlin2u> truepurple, how many partitions are mounted?
[17:42] <truepurple> urlin2u, 1 and 1 partial
[17:42] <truepurple> the main one, and the one in question
[17:42] <hobgoblin> I'm about if you run out of time urlin2u
[17:43] <urlin2u> hobgoblin, heh no problem feel free to jump in. :D
[17:43] <hobgoblin> just watching and waiting for a screenie :p cetainly sounds like the partition is either locked or there is an extended already
[17:44] <truepurple> Someone in ubuntu was helping me before, they had me do a bunch of stuff with editing etc/fstab, which caused some progress, but was not a perfect solution, and I am puzzled as to why it required such a complicated approach just to mount a partition
[17:44] <hobgoblin> well truepurple it's only complicated the first few times, but if you want something to mount auto - then it needs to get to fstab somehow
[17:45] <truepurple> Still waiting for gpart to "Searching dev/sdb"
[17:46] <truepurple> hobgoblin, isn't that what gpart and disk utility are for, so that one does not need to go into base files and add lines and BS like that?
[17:48] <hobgoblin> no idea what disk utility is for - but gparted is a partition editor
[17:49] <hobgoblin> but I don't think that disk utility is for editing system files - it would need to start as root to do so
[17:50] <truepurple> hobgoblin, disk utility seems to be for assigning drive types etc, whether it is viewed as a data type, a home type etc
[17:50] <truepurple> also, benchmarking, mounting and unmounting, formating
[17:51] <hobgoblin> none of which would edit fstab afaik :)
[17:51] <truepurple> but gpart should
[17:51] <ikonia> no it shouldn't
[17:51] <hobgoblin> there ARE GUI things to edit that file
[17:51] <ikonia> it's a partitition manager, not a file system mounter
[17:51] <hobgoblin> truepurple: no it shouldn't  it's a partition editor
[17:51] <ikonia> /etc/fstab is part of the core operating system, gparted should not touch that, no application should
[17:51] <hobgoblin> hi ikonia - long time no see
[17:51] <ikonia> hey hobgoblin
[17:51] <truepurple> its crazy that I need to manually add in technical command lines to implement partitions made by gparted
[17:52] <ikonia> you need to add one line to a text file
[17:52] <truepurple> That is very user unfriendly
[17:52] <ikonia> it's not brain surgery
[17:52] <ikonia> you can also mount it maunually in user space
[17:52] <truepurple> Its pretty technical with these kind of lines
[17:52] <ikonia> it's 1 line
[17:53] <ikonia> disk device | file system | mount point
[17:53] <truepurple> A line that is very code like
[17:53] <ikonia> that's all that's really needed
[17:53] <urlin2u> ikonia, can O quote you on the surgery comment. :D
[17:53] <urlin2u> I*
[17:53] <truepurple> ah, gpart finally finished, I will screen shot it shortly here
[17:53] <ikonia> /dev/sda3 ext4 /home/a/data default 0 0
[17:53] <ikonia> that's it
[17:53] <ikonia> urlin2u: any time
[17:53] <ikonia> it's not exactly a massive code
[17:53] <urlin2u> lol
[17:54] <truepurple> not massive, but seems technical
[17:54] <ikonia> it's not technical
[17:54] <hobgoblin> only because it's new to you :)
[17:54] <ikonia> it's adding a disk name, the file system and where you want to mount it
[17:55] <ikonia> if that is too technical for you, select another OS
[17:55] <truepurple> gpart lists mounting points, why can't it assign them too?
[17:55] <ikonia> because it doesn't need to touch /etc/fstab - as I told you
[17:56] <truepurple> It is necessary to mount the partition apparently, and gpart is all about partitioning
[17:56] <ikonia> the effort to do logical driven error checking of an existing fstab and add/change options is wasted when it's 1 line in clear english
[17:56] <ikonia> no - it's not
[17:56] <ikonia> you can mount the partition without fstab, you are choosing to use it
[17:56] <truepurple> gpart isn't about partitioning?
[17:57] <ikonia> gpart is a partitioning tool, not a file system system modification tool
[17:57] <truepurple> ikonia, I tried, it didn't work
[17:57] <ikonia> then you did it wrong
[17:58] <truepurple> ikonia, how complicated is setting a FS type and a size? How could I possibly get that wrong...
[17:58] <ikonia> you tell me
[17:58] <truepurple> I didnt
[17:58] <ikonia> setting the size and type is nothing to do with mountin it
[17:58] <ikonia> that's partitioning
[17:58] <hobgoblin> truepurple: at the end of the day - it is what it is and it works the way it does - if you want help with your issue then lets do so
[17:58] <ikonia> nothing to do with mounting, so, yes you did get it wrong
[17:59] <truepurple> Doesn't ubuntu automount available drives?/Isn't that what it is suppose to do?/Isn't that what it should do?
[17:59] <ikonia> no
[17:59] <ikonia> that is userspace, it will automount them if there is a udev event triggered for them
[17:59] <ikonia> you will see reference to those on your desktop
[18:00] <truepurple> I did not understand that. But when I plug in a USB flash drive or a DVD drive, one normally does not need to edit a file to mount them, so why is it different with partitions?
[18:00] <ikonia> because that is a udev event beig triggered and a user space mount
[18:01] <truepurple> I didn't understand that the first time
[18:01] <ikonia> then research it
[18:03] <truepurple> hobgoblin, Ok, you wanted a screenshot, I want to show you that both partitions are primaries, where in gpart does it list whether a partition is primary or extended?
[18:03] <hobgoblin> in the filesystem column
[18:04] <truepurple> hobgoblin, that tells me its fs type, ext 4, it does not say primary or extended
[18:04] <ikonia> just show the screen shot
[18:05] <hobgoblin> and tell us exactly what you want to do - if you have already edited fstab I would suspect you had to create a mountpoint in either /mnt or /media
[18:06] <truepurple> it was created in home/user/data per instructions
[18:06] <hobgoblin> we'll need fstab as well so run    cat /etc/fstab and paste it to paste.ubuntu.com so we can see that as well please
[18:06] <ikonia> truepurple: it was home/a/data
[18:06] <ikonia> that was wher eyou put it
[18:06] <ikonia> truepurple: be specific
[18:07] <ikonia> give real examples, stop being vague and ask the specific quesiton you have
[18:07] <ikonia> show the screen shot as you've been asked 4 times
[18:08] <truepurple> it was home/user(my user name)/data
[18:09] <ikonia> you said earlier it was /home/a/data
[18:09] <ikonia> please be specific
[18:09] <ikonia> give the real details
[18:10] <truepurple> That is real data, and user name has no bearing on anything
[18:10] <ikonia> yes it does
[18:10] <ikonia> why you lie and confuse the issue with false info I don't know
[18:11] <ikonia> just tell the truth of what you want to mount and where you want to mount it
[18:11] <truepurple> So if you choose one name, you do a operation differently then another? That is not the case
[18:11] <ikonia> truepurple: it can do, permisisons, groups etc
[18:11] <ikonia> and again..... show us the screen shot
[18:12] <truepurple> trying
[18:12] <truepurple> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/140/screenshotbhu.png/
[18:13] <ikonia> truepurple: why are you showing us /dev/sda1 ?
[18:13] <ikonia> that is the root file systme
[18:14] <truepurple> hobgoblin, your screen shot
[18:14] <truepurple> it also shows the other stuff in the back
[18:14] <ikonia> no it doesn't
[18:14] <ikonia> it shows two partitions that the details are hidden on
[18:14] <ikonia> which is totally pointless,
[18:14] <ikonia> and a worthless screen shot of the details of /dev/sda
[18:14] <ikonia> and a worthless screen shot of the details of /dev/sda1
[18:14] <ikonia> why are you trying to hide stuff ?
[18:14] <ikonia> the mount point is /home/a/data
[18:14] <ikonia> the disks is /dev/sda
[18:15] <ikonia> the partition is /dev/sda2
[18:15] <ikonia> why not give us this information rather than have to pull it out of you kicking and screaming
[18:15] <ikonia> help people to help you rather than be a blocker
[18:15] <truepurple> ikonia, your really cheesing me off, please stop blatently disregarding my wishes
[18:15] <ikonia> no
[18:15] <ikonia> you want people to help - give them the info
[18:16] <ikonia> this is why it's impossible to help you as you won't give real info and try to hide details and information about what you really want to do
[18:16] <ikonia> if you want help, start giving the info
[18:16] <ikonia> if you don't want to give the info, look for other resources
[18:16] <truepurple> I do not want my user name known, I made that clear already, it is not necessary to be known, that is why instructions are written <user> for that space, because as long as you use your user name, what ever that is, it will work
[18:16] <ikonia> give the information or find help elsewhere
[18:16] <truepurple> And you are going out of your way to flaunt my wishes for no reason
[18:16] <truepurple> I am giving the information
[18:16] <ikonia> I'm not
[18:17] <ikonia> truepurple: you want to mount /dev/sda2 - why can I not see the info of /dev/sda2 ?
[18:17] <truepurple> But if you ask for my password, I will not give it, you do not need it, same for my user name
[18:17] <ikonia> what is the purpose of giving me info on /dev/sda1 that you have no interest in mounting
[18:17] <ikonia> that is hiding/missleading the details
[18:17] <ikonia> so unless you want to give REAL information on your issue, you cannot be helped
[18:17] <truepurple> The only information hidden is mounting point location, and I already told you those
[18:17] <ikonia> truepurple: sorry - no help then
[18:18] <truepurple> hobgoblin, I got your screenshot, are you still willing to help?
[18:19] <truepurple> hobgoblin,
[18:19] <hobgoblin> you want help mounting something other than the screenshot - I need to see what you want help with - I want to see fstab - it seems you are not willing to give the information needed to do so - when you are then I will help - but right now I'm in the middle of something else
[18:21] <hobgoblin> truepurple: when were you getting helped in #ubuntu - and what username did you use there?
[18:21] <truepurple> hobgoblin, I gave you a screen shot of what you asked for, that of gpart, you want to see the details of the second partition screen?
[18:21] <ikonia> /home/a/data
[18:21] <ikonia> and it caused a lot of confusion due to the missleading/false information
[18:21] <truepurple> ikonia, you are so acting like a troll, your really making me see red, please knock it off!!!!!!
[18:21] <ikonia> this is why you cause a problem as you will not give informaiton that has no secret value
[18:21] <ikonia> truepurple: you are trolling asking for help in channels but giving people false information,
[18:22] <truepurple> LIER!
[18:22] <ikonia> I made it clear when you where banned from #ubuntu you need to give STRAIGHT HONEST information
[18:22] <truepurple> I am you troll!
[18:22] <ikonia> yet here you are, again hiding details
[18:22] <truepurple> I am not!
[18:22] <ikonia> giving miss-leading information
[18:22] <ikonia> how blind can you be, two people have told you - you are hiding info that you need to get help
[18:22] <truepurple> Leave me alone please!  You know the friggin mounting locations!
[18:24] <hobgoblin> leave the language elsewhere please
[18:26] <truepurple> I am getting trolled, and "friggin" is not bad language. But ok, I will try to ignore the troll and not use that language if you wish, if you will still help hobgoblin. If I listed that other information you wished, will you still help me?
[18:28] <truepurple> hobgoblin, are you still willing to help me if I get that other information from fstab?
[18:29] <hobgoblin> at the moment I am reading the logs in #ubuntu
[18:34] <hobgoblin> no I'm not truepurple, it is obviosu to me that you try hard not to give people information when asked - as an example it has taken almost an hour to get a screenshot. Good luck.
[18:37] <truepurple> hobgoblin, that is not true, I am willing to give information, I dont know that it took an hour, but having to deal with ikonias trolling, and your not seeming being here during that time made things longer (the latter because if you aren't here, then there is no rush for the screen shot and I have time to fend off the trolls attack)
[18:44] <Fanshawe> I need some help with unison.
[18:44] <truepurple> hobgoblin, I would also mention it took a long time for gpart to finish loading
[18:44] <ikonia> Fanshawe: do you mean unity
[18:44] <Fanshawe> Why do I keep getting the error 'merge preference not set'? Nothing backs up.
[18:44] <ikonia> or do you actually mean unison
[18:45] <Fanshawe> ikonia: Nah, Unison, the file syncing program
[18:45] <ikonia> just checking, it's a common miss-wording
[18:45] <Fanshawe> I can imagine, no problem.
[18:45] <Fanshawe> Anyway, I can't get the damn thing to work.
[18:46] <ikonia> never really used it to be honest, not had reason to
[18:48] <Fanshawe> That's okay, I'll be looking for an answer while idling.
[19:00] <Fanshawe> There we go, I got it working. Just a misunderstanding and tweaking of the preference files.
[19:00] <Fanshawe> Thanks for your attention.
[19:45] <Caseyor> hey
[19:45] <truepurple> hi
[19:45] <Caseyor> I'd like some help if anyone is available
[19:45] <duanedesign> o/
[19:45] <Caseyor> I don't know if this is the right irc
[19:45] <Caseyor> channel for it
[19:45] <truepurple> Neither does anyone else if we don't have a clue what your problem is
[19:45] <Caseyor> sorry
[19:45] <Caseyor> :D
[19:46] <Caseyor> I'm not sure what distro to go with
[19:46] <Caseyor> and I was wondering if all the applications with ubuntu work with other distros
[19:46] <truepurple> seems like ##linux is a better one to ask in
[19:46] <Caseyor> k
[19:46] <Caseyor> I'll head there
[19:46] <duanedesign> Caseyor: all the buntus
[19:46] <Caseyor> but no others?
[19:47] <duanedesign> Caseyor: Debian, Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Lubuntu
[19:47] <duanedesign> Xubuntu
[19:47] <duanedesign> all use .deb packages
[19:47] <Caseyor> ok
[19:47] <truepurple> duanedesign, am I wrong to say that any linux program can be made to work with any other?
[19:47] <truepurple> I mean any distro
[19:47] <duanedesign> no it is possible
[19:48] <truepurple> But very hard and technical?
[19:48] <duanedesign> you can take the files from an RPM (Fedora) and repackage it in a deb
[19:48] <Caseyor> I've only really used ubuntu, so I'm not sure if I should go with another
[19:48] <truepurple> I am told that debian is like ubuntu, but minus unity, which alot of people don't like so much
[19:48] <Caseyor> :/
[19:48] <duanedesign> Caseyor: i like ubuntu. Kubuntu if you like lots of bling. Lubuntu if you are using an older computer
[19:49] <Caseyor> yea
[19:49] <Caseyor> unity wasn't great
[19:49] <truepurple> duanedesign, what do you think of debian?
[19:49] <Caseyor> I'm thinking lubuntu is what I should use
[19:49] <Caseyor> I can install the standard 11.10 on it
[19:49] <Caseyor> but it's not so great
[19:49] <duanedesign> I like Unity. The longer you use it the more you get used to it and it starts to make sense. IMHO
[19:50] <hobgoblin> pfft :p
[19:50] <duanedesign> the search replacing the menus makes a lot of sense
[19:50] <Caseyor> I don't want to change distros completely, but I'm not sure if I'd want Lubuntu
[19:50] <truepurple> Well I can't even get 3d to work, and I got a great high end video card
[19:50] <truepurple> and I hated the menus vanishing
[19:50] <hobgoblin> xubuntu is a lot like how I used to use ubuntu Caseyor
[19:50] <duanedesign> truepurple: I like Debian. b
[19:50] <truepurple> I guess you can get them back with special software, I wonder if you can get all of them back
[19:50] <truepurple> its a pain anyway
[19:50] <Caseyor> it makes sense, but I always prefer finding things in a hierarchy type fashion
[19:51] <Caseyor> what is xubuntu like though
[19:51] <truepurple> Well for someone who doesn't always even know what to look for, like me, the menus tell you what there is
[19:51] <Caseyor> I always see different version of ubuntu
[19:51] <Caseyor> but I don't quite understand it all
[19:52] <truepurple> And Caseyor you could just use live CDs/usb flash drives to try em out
[19:52] <Caseyor> Taht would be a better idea
[19:52] <Caseyor> If I were to chose a completely different distro, do you guys have any recomendations?
[19:52] <Caseyor> actually
[19:53] <truepurple> What do you mean by "completely different"?
[19:53] <Caseyor> what prevents people from using old versions of ubuntu
[19:53] <duanedesign> a debian based distro?
[19:53] <Caseyor> sorry, scratch that last one
[19:53] <Caseyor> last question
[19:53] <duanedesign> if i did not use ubuntu i would run Lubuntu
[19:53] <duanedesign> Mint seems to be popular
[19:53] <Caseyor> like if I were to use 8.04 or something
[19:53] <duanedesign> it is based on ubuntu
[19:54] <truepurple> duanedesign, I was told mint was ubuntu, with green skin, and that is all
[19:54] <duanedesign> if I did not use a debian based distro (shudders), I would use Fedora
[19:54] <Caseyor> ubuntu 8.04. Are programs not compatable with it, or there are bugs?
[19:54] <duanedesign> it also did not upgrade to Gnome 3 so it has the classic desktop
[19:54] <Caseyor> or other versions
[19:54] <duanedesign> truepurple: ^
[19:55] <Caseyor> but is it just the UI that changed?
[19:55] <truepurple> UI stands for?
[19:55] <Caseyor> I'd assume there's more to it
[19:55] <duanedesign> Caseyor: 8.04 i no longer supported
[19:55] <Caseyor> user interface
[19:56] <truepurple> duanedesign, was I told wrong about mint?
[19:56] <duanedesign> Caseyor: 8.04 is a release of Ubuntu. 8.04 was released in '08
[19:57] <duanedesign> and 11.04 was released in 2011
[19:57] <duanedesign> FYi
[19:57] <duanedesign> otta mmm, that used to be more true then it is now
[19:57] <Caseyor> I see
[19:57] <duanedesign> oops, tuxpurple^
[19:58] <duanedesign> sorry guys gotta get back to work.
[19:58] <duanedesign> been fun talking to you all o/
[19:58] <Caseyor> but say for 10.04 or 10.10. Do they have bugs, or is it just that they changed it to unity
[19:58] <Caseyor> bye
[19:58] <duanedesign> good luck picking a distro Caseyor
[19:58] <Caseyor> thanks
[19:58] <duanedesign> Caseyor: personally i would go for the newest version possible
[19:59] <Caseyor> ok
[19:59] <duanedesign> 11.04 has a Classic Mode if you do not want to use Unity
[20:00] <Caseyor> I'll look for that right now
[21:02] <bobweaver> when do you all think that ubuntu browser will be done ?
[21:02] <philipballew> bobweaver, what you mean?
[21:03] <bobweaver> I think that conanacail is making a browser
[21:03] <bobweaver> sorry about speeling
[21:03] <philipballew> its all good, I use chrome
[21:04] <bobweaver> philipballew: https://tbe.taleo.net/NA3/ats/careers/requisition.jsp?org=CANONICAL&cws=1&rid=385    https://tbe.taleo.net/NA3/ats/careers/requisition.jsp?org=CANONICAL&cws=1&rid=384
[21:05] <bobweaver> just a guess but if they are tring to hire people for that then....
[21:06] <bobweaver> I also think that canonical is makeing something that reads bios and will make it so there is no more boot order
[21:06] <bobweaver> the live cd or usb will pick out for ya
[21:07] <bobweaver> just a guess
[21:07] <ikonia> nope
[21:08] <ikonia> bobweaver: you'll find that web browser stuff is probably (I don't know) for application interfaces, such as cloud control etc
[21:08] <bobweaver> thanks ikonia
[21:09] <ikonia> the only reason I could see ubuntu building it's own browser would be down to the issues with firefox's rolling approach, or to make a browser model for the mobile platform it's trying
[21:09] <ikonia> which doesn't seem wise to introduce "another" browser
[21:10] <bobweaver> mobile for ubuntu one as shuttleworth said tyhe phone is the intamate thing a person has
[21:10] <bobweaver> I really like where ubuntu is going with all of this
[21:10] <ikonia> but making and maintaining a browser for that seems roolish
[21:10] <ikonia> foolish
[21:10] <ikonia> I think it's lost sight
[21:10] <ikonia> I don't
[21:11] <ikonia> it can't maintain what it's got, it's 6 month rolling model isn't working beyond headlines, it's bug managment is unacceptable,
[21:11] <bobweaver> +1
[21:11] <ikonia> brining in more platforms at this point doesn't seem sensible, it appears to be riding the buzz wagon
[21:11] <ikonia> how can you +1 when you've just said you like where it's going
[21:12] <ikonia> that's a direct opposite to what I've said
[21:12] <bobweaver> just because I like where ubuntu/canonaical  is going dosent mean that I disagree with you
[21:12] <ikonia> errrr........but I've just said the opposite of "I like where canonical is going"
[21:12] <Unit193> Firefox seems to be making an OS now if that's what you mean (Got it mixed up or confused?)
[21:13] <bobweaver> I was more talking about the bug managment is unacceptable
[21:13] <ikonia> I'm not aware of firefox making an OS, but the rolling browser release is unmaintainable for operating systems, especially linux that has it as part of the desktop setup
[21:13] <ikonia> it's a total kill for business users
[21:13] <ikonia> so there is a massive serious userase dead
[21:13] <ikonia> userbase
[21:14] <ikonia> stupid lag
[21:17] <Unit193> ikonia: You're correct, https://wiki.mozilla.org/B2G
[21:37] <ikonia> Unit193: that wiki is an interesting read


[17:16] <jbicha> hi, ubot in #ubuntu-hardened has not been working for several weeks, could you reset it or whatever? thanks
[17:18] <Pici> Unit193: Can you take a look ^ it looks like ubot9 is the one that is in #ubuntu-hardened
[17:18] <krytarik> That's just the monitoring one though.
[17:21] <Pici> oh, 5 is there
[17:21]  * Pici looks
[17:25] <Pici> jbicha: should be good now
[17:45] <jbicha> thanks


[00:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: shim-signed (yakkety-proposed/main) [1.27~16.10.1 => 1.28~16.04.1] (core)
[00:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected shim-signed [source] (yakkety-proposed) [1.28~16.04.1]
[00:55] <handsome_feng> Hi, Could anyone help approving ubuntukylin-theme? FinalFreeze is coming... Thank you in advance!
[01:37] <tsimonq2> Hey handsome_feng :)
[01:37] <handsome_feng> Hi, tsimonq2 :)
[01:38] <tsimonq2> handsome_feng: Unfortunately I don't have the access, I just wanted to say hi ;)
[01:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: shim-signed (xenial-proposed/main) [1.27~16.04.1 => 1.28~16.04.1] (core)
[01:39] <handsome_feng> hehe... Thanks anyway !
[01:43] <Bashing-om> \
[04:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted eom [source] (zesty-proposed) [1.18.1-0ubuntu1]
[04:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-terminal [source] (zesty-proposed) [3.20.2-1ubuntu7]
[04:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnutls28 [source] (zesty-proposed) [3.5.6-4ubuntu4]
[04:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted cloud-init [source] (zesty-proposed) [0.7.9-90-g61eb03fe-0ubuntu1]
[04:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted curtin [source] (zesty-proposed) [0.1.0~bzr482-0ubuntu1]
[04:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted python-babel [source] (zesty-proposed) [2.3.4+dfsg.1-2ubuntu1]
[04:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted shim-signed [source] (zesty-proposed) [1.28]
[04:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntu-mate-artwork [source] (zesty-proposed) [17.04.11]
[04:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted mate-control-center [source] (zesty-proposed) [1.18.1-0ubuntu1]
[04:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted tbb [source] (zesty-proposed) [4.4~20160526-0ubuntu2]
[04:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted python-pika [source] (zesty-proposed) [0.10.0-1ubuntu1]
[04:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: cuneiform (zesty-proposed/multiverse) [1.1.0+dfsg-5build5 => 1.1.0+dfsg-5ubuntu4] (no packageset)
[04:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted cuneiform [source] (zesty-proposed) [1.1.0+dfsg-5ubuntu4]
[06:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: linux-meta (zesty-proposed/main) [<IP_ADDRESS>.19 => <IP_ADDRESS>.20] (core, kernel) (sync)
[06:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: linux (zesty-proposed/main) [4.10.0-17.19 => 4.10.0-18.20] (core, kernel) (sync)
[06:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: linux-signed (zesty-proposed/main) [4.10.0-17.19 => 4.10.0-18.20] (core, kernel) (sync)
[06:26] <Saviq> hi team, is there chance to push the packages from https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2668 through the queue? they've been waiting since last night
[06:26] <Saviq> it's all bugfixes
[06:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: telegram-desktop (zesty-proposed/universe) [1.0.14-1 => 1.0.14-1ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[06:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted telegram-desktop [source] (zesty-proposed) [1.0.14-1ubuntu1]
[07:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: lm-sensors (zesty-proposed/main) [1:3.4.0-3 => 1:3.4.0-4] (core) (sync)
[07:38] <LocutusOfBorg> somebody from release team, can you please ignore tests of r-cran-curl (blocking curl migration)?
[07:38] <LocutusOfBorg> rationale is: testsuite is bad, just not ordering cookies before checking them, and I don't want to upload such testsuite fix at this very moment
[07:38] <LocutusOfBorg> https://github.com/jeroen/curl/commit/f885cdbd37e4361ec0f8de679223636e8ea68030
[07:38] <LocutusOfBorg> the new release should be good but I prefer to don't touch r-* stuff
[07:39] <LocutusOfBorg> I could grab some patches, but meh, too risky at this point, it is a testsuite issue, the tool is good
[07:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libarchive (zesty-proposed/main) [3.2.1-6 => 3.2.2-2] (core) (sync)
[07:40] <LocutusOfBorg> libarchive is a new security release ^^
[07:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted linux-meta [sync] (zesty-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>.20]
[07:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted linux [sync] (zesty-proposed) [4.10.0-18.20]
[07:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted linux-signed [sync] (zesty-proposed) [4.10.0-18.20]
[07:45] <ypwong> infinity, could you take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntukylin-theme/+bug/1677157 when you have time, this package needs AA to approve.
[07:55] <infinity> ypwong: I'll get there before the freeze today.
[07:56] <ypwong> infinity, thanks!
[08:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted linux-meta-raspi2 [sync] (zesty-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>3.5]
[08:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted linux-raspi2 [sync] (zesty-proposed) [4.10.0-1003.5]
[08:06] <LocutusOfBorg> Laney, ^^ wrt curl :)
[08:07] <infinity> LocutusOfBorg: Why are you against fixing the testsuite?
[08:08] <LocutusOfBorg> because we are too late in the release cycle for doing such things, for zesty + 1 the new release will be uploaded anyway
[08:08] <infinity> LocutusOfBorg: Having an XFAIL makes the whole testsuite useless.  If there's a clear and obvious fix, JFDI?
[08:08] <LocutusOfBorg> the end user won't benefit in any case from my upload
[08:08] <infinity> LocutusOfBorg: We're not too late in the release cycle.  I'm literally just telling you that.
[08:08] <LocutusOfBorg> oh ok
[08:08] <LocutusOfBorg> if you are confortable fine by me
[08:08] <infinity> LocutusOfBorg: End users benefit from regression testing not being broken.
[08:08] <LocutusOfBorg> ok got it
[08:09] <Laney> did I say something about curl before to deserve getting pinged about it? :P
[08:15] <LocutusOfBorg> infinity, just to abuse of your time, do you know why gcc is not complaining for this simple code?
[08:15] <LocutusOfBorg> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24326368/
[08:15] <LocutusOfBorg> doko, ^^
[08:15] <LocutusOfBorg> I would expect an int a[n] with n undefined to be a serious warning or error in gcc
[08:15]  * LocutusOfBorg his world just crashed
[08:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected screen [source] (zesty-proposed) [4.5.0-5ubuntu2]
[08:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: r-cran-curl (zesty-proposed/universe) [2.3-1 => 2.3-1ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[08:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted r-cran-curl [source] (zesty-proposed) [2.3-1ubuntu1]
[08:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: snapd (zesty-proposed/main) [2.23.6+17.04 => 2.23.6+17.04ubuntu1] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
[08:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: unity8 (zesty-proposed/main) [8.15+17.04.20170328.3-0ubuntu1 => 8.15+17.04.20170404.7-0ubuntu2] (ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-qt-packages) (sync)
[08:43] <Saviq> hi again, team, is there still time to get things in the release? I know final freeze is today, just not sure when today :) - was told uploading last night should still allow for things to get in
[08:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted runc [source] (yakkety-proposed) [1.0.0~rc2+docker1.12.6-0ubuntu1~16.10.1]
[08:44] <Laney> we're going to review the queue today
[08:44] <Saviq> so we've unity8, qtmir{,-gles}, qtubuntu{,-gles} and qmenumodel waiting in the queue, if you could please have a look
[08:45] <LocutusOfBorg> why did screen got rejected?
[08:46] <LocutusOfBorg> the current patch is incomplete
[08:46] <Saviq> Laney, ack, thanks
[08:47] <apw> LocutusOfBorg, because there is a possible interaction with the screen we use for release-upgrading
[08:47] <apw> LocutusOfBorg, and until that has been discussed we did not want it accepted accidentaly
[08:50] <LocutusOfBorg> I discussed that screen stuff with the Debian maintainer, and he told me that the patch was "half correct", but incomplete, just forwarding that message to you :)
[08:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted runc [source] (xenial-proposed) [1.0.0~rc2+docker1.12.6-0ubuntu1~16.04.1]
[08:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed [amd64] (zesty-proposed/main) [4.10.0-18.20] (core, kernel)
[08:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected snapd [source] (zesty-proposed) [2.23.6+17.04ubuntu1]
[08:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed [amd64] (zesty-proposed) [4.10.0-18.20]
[09:08] <acheronuk> freeze @ normal 21:00 UTC (ish)?
[09:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: snapd (zesty-proposed/main) [2.23.6+17.04 => 2.23.6+17.04.1] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
[09:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted snapd [source] (zesty-proposed) [2.23.6+17.04.1]
[09:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: debian-installer (zesty-proposed/main) [20101020ubuntu502 => 20101020ubuntu503] (core)
[09:25] <rbalint> I would like to get in kodi 17.1, see details at: #859708
[09:26] <rbalint> disclaimer: I'm kodi's maintainer :-)
[09:41] <infinity> rbalint: kodi's not seeded, it's fine to go in, so long as you don't break it all in the process.
[09:42] <infinity> rbalint: Although, pointing me at a Debian bug is curious.  Did you mean to ping the Debian release team? ;)
[09:42] <Ukikie> https://bugs.debian.org/859708?
[09:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: r-cran-curl (zesty-proposed/universe) [2.3-1ubuntu1 => 2.3-1ubuntu2] (no packageset)
[09:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted r-cran-curl [source] (zesty-proposed) [2.3-1ubuntu2]
[09:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: tellico (zesty-proposed/universe) [2.3.9+dfsg.1-1.1 => 2.3.9+dfsg.1-1.1ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[09:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted tellico [source] (zesty-proposed) [2.3.9+dfsg.1-1.1ubuntu1]
[09:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted debian-installer [source] (zesty-proposed) [20101020ubuntu503]
[09:49]  * Laney spanks LocutusOfBorg
[09:49] <infinity> Laney: Should we be seeing this?
[09:50]  * LocutusOfBorg agrees with Laney
[09:50] <LocutusOfBorg> fixing testsuite with upstream cherry-picks and no upstream new code is PITA
[09:50]  * LocutusOfBorg "PITA<->SPANKS", pun intended
[09:51] <LocutusOfBorg> sadly I'm with mobile tethering, can't test in my chroot because of too many r dependencies to drag :/
[09:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted xdg-desktop-portal-gtk [sync] (zesty-proposed) [0.6-1]
[09:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted xdg-desktop-portal [sync] (zesty-proposed) [0.6-1]
[09:57] <Laney> Don't get that pun :P
[09:59] <LocutusOfBorg> (after a spank you can get Pain In The Ass) :)
[09:59] <Laney> oho
[10:02] <rbalint> infinity: no, i meant asking for opinion in advance
[10:03] <rbalint> infinity: i can open the LP bug as well for sync, but if it is rejected anyway there is no point
[10:04] <infinity> rbalint: I'm fine with it.
[10:04] <LocutusOfBorg> rbalint, sync from experimental?
[10:04] <rbalint> infinity: IMO kodi is a killer app both on Debian and Ubuntu and and releasing latest stable point release would be the best
[10:04] <rbalint> LocutusOfBorg: yes, for now
[10:04] <LocutusOfBorg> not sure if you have permissions or not, in case please ask :)
[10:05] <rbalint> LocutusOfBorg: i'm hoping to get it in Stretch, too, but this is another story
[10:05] <LocutusOfBorg> I know, I read the bug on debian-release before you posted it here :p
[10:06] <infinity> rbalint: Sync done.  Don't need a bug.
[10:06] <infinity> rbalint: Any other kodi-related bits that need to come with it, or just the base 'kodi' package?
[10:06] <rbalint> infinity:  no, addons are fine it seems
[10:06] <infinity> Kay.
[10:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: kodi (zesty-proposed/universe) [2:17.0+dfsg1-3 => 2:17.1+dfsg1-1] (no packageset) (sync)
[10:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted kodi [sync] (zesty-proposed) [2:17.1+dfsg1-1]
[10:08] <rbalint> infinity: thanks!
[10:22] <Kaleo> Laney, you off today?
[10:22] <Kaleo> Laney, I still have https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-terminal-app/+bug/1680114 :/
[10:23] <Laney> Kaleo: No, I'm working through the queue now
[10:23] <Laney> You can publish and get it in the queue if you want
[10:23] <Kaleo> Laney, you mean publish the silo?
[10:23] <Kaleo> I'm sorry I'm not familiar with the FFe process
[10:24] <Laney> It's fine at this point, since it'll get held in the queue and someone can review it there at the same time as they review the FFe
[10:24] <Laney> (since we are in freeze)
[10:24] <Kaleo> oh I see
[10:27] <jbicha> Kaleo: are you able to publish or do you need someone else to?
[10:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: sssd (zesty-proposed/main) [1.15.0-3ubuntu4 => 1.15.2-1ubuntu1] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-server)
[10:31] <tjaalton> ^ https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sssd/+bug/1680385
[10:35] <infinity> Laney: Should I infer from the above that you're looking at the silo landings in the queue?
[10:36] <Laney> infinity: Nope
[10:36] <Laney> although I've ticked two boxes
[10:36] <infinity> Laney: Oh. :)
[10:36] <infinity> Laney: If you were, I was just going to point out the oddity of unity8 landing twice from two silos, and that one should be sure that the second includes the first.
[10:37] <Laney> I will work through the queue but I would like it if I only had to do 50 or 33⅓% of it :P
[10:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted indicator-session [sync] (zesty-proposed) [17.3.20+17.04.20170403-0ubuntu1]
[10:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted unity8-desktop-session [sync] (zesty-proposed) [1.0.13+17.04.20170328.1-0ubuntu1]
[10:38] <infinity> Laney: Fair.  I can take 2668 and 2705 (ie: the two with unity8)
[10:39] <infinity> tjaalton: That's quite the diff for a "bugfix release".
[10:41] <tjaalton> infinity: the translations?
[10:41] <infinity> tjaalton: No, the code. :P
[10:41] <infinity> tjaalton: Not a NACK, but I do want to verify some of your assertions.
[10:43] <tjaalton> it added the files provider and socket responder helper, neither of which aren't used yet by default
[10:43] <tjaalton> they cut 1.15.0 for debian, without those features.. they were polished for .1
[10:44] <infinity> tjaalton: Without reading the 1MB diff, do you know off-hand where to point me to code that indicated the files provider isn't used by default?
[10:46] <tjaalton> it's not added to nsswitch.conf
[10:47] <tjaalton> libnss-sss postinst adds 'sss', but not 'files'
[10:48] <tjaalton> this has been in place for some time now
[10:48] <tjaalton> also there's no default sssd.conf installed
[10:48] <infinity> Right, okay.  And --enable-files-domain would universally enable it, I think, but you didn't add that to rules.
[10:48] <tjaalton> for buster & AA it'll probably happen
[10:48] <tjaalton> oh indeed
[10:49] <tjaalton> yeah that would probably mean no conffile needed
[10:49] <infinity> Sure, I'm all for sssd eventually obsoleting nscd to the point where we can remove it from glibc upstream and forget it ever happened, but today isn't that day.
[10:49] <tjaalton> didn't look yet
[10:49] <tjaalton> yep
[10:50] <infinity> I'm curious if we could actually do a reliable nscd->sssd migration path and just replace the nscd package with a migration stub.
[10:50] <infinity> Might be something to consider for a future LTS.
[10:50] <tjaalton> yeah
[10:50] <infinity> Though, nscd has had improvements for some of it's worse bugs, and it likely smaller.
[10:50] <infinity> So, ... *handwavy*
[10:51] <tjaalton> sssd daemon is split in smaller bits, so with just files it's smaller than when configured against ms ad
[10:52] <tjaalton> i haven't tested this theory though. and socket activation etc isn't enabled either
[10:52] <tjaalton> when that happens it'll only run what's needed
[10:52] <infinity> Socket activation for a resolver sounds like a really stupid idea.
[10:53] <infinity> Of all the things on my system that I want to respond INSTANTLY, the resolver is at the top of the list.
[10:53] <tjaalton> well, used for some of the bits
[10:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted sssd [source] (zesty-proposed) [1.15.2-1ubuntu1]
[10:57] <tjaalton> thanks
[10:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed [amd64] (yakkety-proposed/main) [4.8.0-47.50] (core, kernel)
[11:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-themes (zesty-proposed/main) [16.10+17.04.20170309-0ubuntu1 => 16.10+17.04.20170406-0ubuntu1] (core) (sync)
[11:05] <ginggs> Laney: LP: #1676923 i think all the info is there now.  andt BTW tzdata 2017b-1 just uploaded https://packages.qa.debian.org/t/tzdata/news/20170406T100345Z.html
[11:05] <rbalint> infinity: could lxml be hinted to migrate despite snapcraft autopkgtest issues?
[11:05] <rbalint> infinity: they seem to be testbed network related problems
[11:05] <infinity> rbalint: "network related problems"?
[11:05] <rbalint> infinity: it keeps failing in different ways related to the proxy
[11:06] <rbalint><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:06] <rbalint> infinity:  now the wiki pull which used to be working<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:07] <infinity> rbalint: We'll just retry it a few times and see if it fixes itself.   It seems like they get queued, and the queue gets drained without tests actually happening.
[13:27] <Laney> can you give me an example?
[13:28] <apw> "    " <- :)
[13:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: librsvg (zesty-proposed/main) [2.40.16-1 => 2.40.16-2~svn1] (core)
[13:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: lazarus (zesty-proposed/universe) [1.6.2+dfsg-1 => 1.6.2+dfsg-2] (no packageset) (sync)
[13:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted lazarus [sync] (zesty-proposed) [1.6.2+dfsg-2]
[13:39] <infinity> Laney: All?
[13:39] <Laney> I get that
[13:39] <infinity> Laney: http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/r-cran-curl
[13:39] <Laney> But it's much quicker for me to look up a specific request that you're noticing a problem with
[13:39] <Laney> Ta
[13:39] <infinity> Laney: I didn't make those requests, but I assume they included all arches.  I made other requests that seem to have similar "where did they go?" issues.
[13:40] <Laney> https://objectstorage.prodstack4-5.canonical.com/v1/AUTH_77e2ada1e7a84929a74ba3b87153c0ac/autopkgtest-zesty/?format=plain&prefix=zesty/ppc64el/r/r-cran-curl/
[13:40] <Laney> There's results there that aren't in the web UI
[13:40] <infinity> Ah-ha.
[13:41] <Laney> I guess britney is seeing them okay?
[13:41] <infinity> Probably.
[13:41]  * infinity goes to look.
[13:41] <Laney> Right, so probably a problem there, let's see
[13:41] <infinity> Laney: Yep, as you suspected, britney has results for that.
[13:41] <Laney> if you want to know, this is juju ssh autopkgtest-web/0 from prod-ues-proposed-migration@wendigo
[13:42] <infinity> I feel like I won't remember that.
[13:42] <infinity> Is there a cheat sheet for casual autopkgtest maintenance?
[13:43] <Laney> somewhat: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration/AutopkgtestInfrastructure#Administration
[13:43] <Laney> ERROR:root:Failure to fetch swift results from http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/v1/AUTH_77e2ada1e7a84929a74ba3b87153c0ac/autopkgtest-zesty?marker=zesty%2Farmhf%2Fc%2Fcinder%2F20161028_120634_e00b4%40&delimiter=%40: Remote end closed connection without response
[13:43] <Laney> Seems like some acid rain in the cloud
[13:48]  * Laney pinged a sysadmin and will go have lunch now while it gets looked at
[13:53] <Laney> I think it recovered itself
[13:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: iproute2 (xenial-proposed/main) [4.3.0-1ubuntu3 => 4.3.0-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (core)
[13:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: iproute2 (yakkety-proposed/main) [4.3.0-1ubuntu3 => 4.3.0-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (core)
[13:55] <LocutusOfBorg> will anybody merge systemd from Debian? I'm worried about the dnssec change mentioning zesty but apparently not uploaded there
[14:13] <smoser> bdmurray, i've updated those now. sorry for leaving them so sparse.
[14:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: kdialog (zesty-proposed/universe) [16.12.1-0ubuntu1 => 16.12.3-0ubuntu1] (kubuntu)
[14:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: kfind (zesty-proposed/universe) [4:16.12.1-0ubuntu1 => 4:16.12.3-0ubuntu1] (kubuntu)
[14:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: keditbookmarks (zesty-proposed/universe) [16.12.1-0ubuntu1 => 16.12.3-0ubuntu1] (kubuntu)
[14:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: konqueror (zesty-proposed/universe) [4:16.12.1-0ubuntu1 => 4:16.12.3-0ubuntu1] (kubuntu)
[14:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: binutils (zesty-proposed/main) [2.28-2ubuntu1 => 2.28-3ubuntu1] (core)
[14:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: bamf (zesty-proposed/main) [0.5.3+16.10.20160929-0ubuntu1 => 0.5.3+17.04.20170406-0ubuntu1] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop) (sync)
[15:32] <stgraber> can someone look at lxd and btrfs-progs in the queue, would like those fixes in the archive soon :)
[15:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntukylin-theme [source] (zesty-proposed) [1.7.0]
[15:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted btrfs-progs [source] (zesty-proposed) [4.9.1-1ubuntu1]
[15:51] <apw> stgraber, ^
[15:53] <Laney>  diff from 56.0.2924.76-0ubuntu2.1343 to 57.0.2987.98-0ubuntu1.1348 (48.4 MiB)
[15:53] <Laney> What. On. Earth.
[15:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted lxd [source] (zesty-proposed) [2.12-0ubuntu3]
[15:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntu-app-launch [sync] (zesty-proposed) [0.12+17.04.20170404.2-0ubuntu1]
[15:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted mate-panel [source] (zesty-proposed) [1.18.1-0ubuntu1]
[15:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted unity-api [sync] (zesty-proposed) [8.7+17.04.20170404-0ubuntu1]
[15:53] <stgraber> apw: thanks
[15:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: kfilereplace (zesty-proposed/universe) [4:16.12.1-0ubuntu1 => 4:16.12.3-0ubuntu1] (kubuntu)
[15:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: klinkstatus (zesty-proposed/universe) [4:16.12.1-0ubuntu1 => 4:16.12.3-0ubuntu1] (kubuntu)
[15:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: kimagemapeditor (zesty-proposed/universe) [4:16.12.1-0ubuntu1 => 4:16.12.3-0ubuntu1] (kubuntu)
[15:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: kommander (zesty-proposed/universe) [4:16.12.1-0ubuntu1 => 4:16.12.3-0ubuntu1] (kubuntu)
[16:00] <Laney> barry: how come this python-requests-unixsocket is the same upstream version as is already in the archive but has different upstream contents?
[16:00] <Laney> Seems to only be metadata ...
[16:03] <Laney> I think it's okay otherwise. Not sure why all the empty dh_ overrides...
[16:04] <Laney> Someone else could accept that if they wanted to, if the explanation is sane
[16:04]  * Laney back in a couple of hours
[16:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: rejected ubuntu-filemanager-app [sync] (zesty-proposed) [0.4+17.04.20170323-0ubuntu1]
[16:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted binutils [source] (zesty-proposed) [2.28-3ubuntu1]
[16:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected unity8 [sync] (zesty-proposed) [8.15+17.04.20170404.7-0ubuntu1]
[16:18] <barry>
[16:18] <barry> Laney: that's weird.  it certainly shouldn't be different and i can't think of what i might have done to cause that
[16:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted librsvg [source] (zesty-proposed) [2.40.16-2~svn1]
[16:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted kdialog [source] (zesty-proposed) [16.12.3-0ubuntu1]
[16:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted keditbookmarks [source] (zesty-proposed) [16.12.3-0ubuntu1]
[16:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted kfind [source] (zesty-proposed) [4:16.12.3-0ubuntu1]
[16:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted konqueror [source] (zesty-proposed) [4:16.12.3-0ubuntu1]
[16:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted kfilereplace [source] (zesty-proposed) [4:16.12.3-0ubuntu1]
[16:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted kimagemapeditor [source] (zesty-proposed) [4:16.12.3-0ubuntu1]
[16:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: nova-lxd (yakkety-proposed/main) [14.2.0-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 14.2.2-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (ubuntu-server)
[16:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted klinkstatus [source] (zesty-proposed) [4:16.12.3-0ubuntu1]
[16:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted kommander [source] (zesty-proposed) [4:16.12.3-0ubuntu1]
[16:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libqapt (zesty-proposed/universe) [3.0.2-0ubuntu5 => 3.0.3-0ubuntu1] (kubuntu)
[16:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: muon (zesty-proposed/universe) [4:5.6.0-0ubuntu2 => 4:5.7.0-0ubuntu1] (kubuntu)
[16:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: keystone (xenial-proposed/main) [2:9.2.0-0ubuntu1 => 2:9.3.0-0ubuntu1] (openstack, ubuntu-server)
[16:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: horizon (xenial-proposed/main) [2:9.1.1-0ubuntu1 => 2:9.1.2-0ubuntu1] (openstack, ubuntu-server)
[16:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted qmenumodel [sync] (zesty-proposed) [0.2.12+17.04.20170404-0ubuntu1]
[16:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted qtmir [sync] (zesty-proposed) [0.5.1+17.04.20170404-0ubuntu1]
[16:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted qtubuntu [sync] (zesty-proposed) [0.64+17.04.20170404-0ubuntu1]
[16:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted qtmir-gles [sync] (zesty-proposed) [0.5.1+17.04.20170404-0ubuntu1]
[16:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted qtubuntu-gles [sync] (zesty-proposed) [0.64+17.04.20170404-0ubuntu1]
[16:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted unity8 [sync] (zesty-proposed) [8.15+17.04.20170404.7-0ubuntu2]
[16:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted accounts-qml-module [sync] (zesty-proposed) [0.6+17.04.20170405-0ubuntu1]
[16:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted unity-action-api [sync] (zesty-proposed) [1.1.0+17.04.20170405-0ubuntu1]
[16:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libarchive [sync] (zesty-proposed) [3.2.2-2]
[16:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted chromium-browser [source] (zesty-proposed) [57.0.2987.98-0ubuntu1.1348]
[16:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntu-themes [sync] (zesty-proposed) [16.10+17.04.20170406-0ubuntu1]
[16:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted bamf [sync] (zesty-proposed) [0.5.3+17.04.20170406-0ubuntu1]
[17:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted muon [source] (zesty-proposed) [4:5.7.0-0ubuntu1]
[17:03] <apw> acheronuk, are are pushing that freeze ...
[17:04] <acheronuk> apw: are are what?
[17:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntu-terminal-app [sync] (zesty-proposed) [0.7.218+17.04.20170405.7-0ubuntu1]
[17:04] <apw> s/are/you ...
[17:05] <apw> acheronuk, also i am hating on a 0.5MB diff for muon
[17:06] <acheronuk> apw: what are you asking? if I have more to upload? answer to that is no
[17:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted lm-sensors [sync] (zesty-proposed) [1:3.4.0-4]
[17:08] <apw> acheronuk, i am interested you are not indeed doing more, but i was just being exasperated :)
[17:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted adwaita-icon-theme [source] (zesty-proposed) [3.24.0-0ubuntu1]
[17:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted greybird-gtk-theme [source] (zesty-proposed) [3.22.2-1ubuntu1]
[17:10] <acheronuk> apw: apologies. never intend these things to be this late. then stuff happens.... or actually sometimes doesn't when you WANT it to
[17:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libqapt [source] (zesty-proposed) [3.0.3-0ubuntu1]
[17:11] <apw> acheronuk, indeed
[18:06] <rbalint> python-boto autopkgtest has a lot of forbidden-s, while it is passing on Debian
[18:07] <rbalint> it does not let 2.44.0-1ubuntu1 to migrate to zesty
[18:07] <rbalint> should not those test results be ignored?
[18:11] <nacc> jgrimm: --^ ?
[18:13] <jgrimm> rbalint, i believe they can be ignored too
[18:13] <jgrimm> they were ignored/skipped on previous upload. not new
[18:14] <nacc> yeah, i think we decided that a hint update was needed
[18:14] <nacc> as the hint was versioned
[18:14] <nacc> in pitti's hints
[18:16] <rbalint> i think phyml autopkgtests should be ignored for everything other than amd64 and i386 since a dep is not available (pocl-opencl-icd)
[18:16] <rbalint> i think this can be unversioned
[18:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: khmer (zesty-proposed/universe) [2.0+dfsg-9 => 2.0+dfsg-9ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[18:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted khmer [source] (zesty-proposed) [2.0+dfsg-9ubuntu1]
[18:57] <rbalint> it looks like many R packages have circular autopkgtest blocks
[18:57] <rbalint> adding versioned dependencies where they are missing may clean up the picture a bit
[18:58] <rbalint> or a set could be hinted in together
[18:58] <rbalint> should i start adding patches for the missing dependencies or hinting is the usual resolution
[18:58] <rbalint> ?
[19:00] <rbalint> example: r-bioc-summarizedexperiment 1.4.0-2 is waiting for r-bioc-iranges but lists r-bioc-summarizedexperiment/1.2.0-1 test failure as a regression
[19:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: cockpit (zesty-proposed/universe) [134-1 => 137-3] (no packageset) (sync)
[19:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted cockpit [sync] (zesty-proposed) [137-3]
[19:26] <ginggs> rbalint: you can re-run the tests with additional triggers
[19:27] <rbalint> ginggs: how?
[19:27] <rbalint> ginggs: when i tried it failed due to not having upload rights yet
[19:27] <ginggs> rbalint: are you looking at update_excuses.html ?
[19:27] <rbalint> ginggs: yes
[19:28] <ginggs> rbalint: ah, then you are going to have to ask someone
[19:28] <ginggs> but you can make it easy for them by crafting the URL and just asking them to click on it
[19:28] <nacc> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration#How_to_re-run_autopkgtests_with_dependencies_on_other_packages_in_the_proposed_pocket
[19:29] <nacc> rbalint: if you can generate the URL you need, i can run them
[19:29] <ginggs> rbalint: so let's look at your example
[19:29] <rbalint> nacc: thanks
[19:29] <nacc> rbalint: np
[19:30] <rbalint> ginggs: i think it does not help because iranges from proposed is tested with summarizedexperiment from zesty which fails
[19:31] <rbalint> ginggs: but when they enter together they will both pass
[19:31] <ginggs> rbalint: this will help for that
[19:31] <nacc> right, you basically need to hint hat for excuses purposes -- and then update_output will dtrt for the actual migration
[19:31] <nacc> (aiui)
[19:31] <rbalint> ginggs: reading the link
[19:32] <rbalint> ginggs: got that, thanks
[19:32] <Laney> barry: Maybe one is from a git tag and one's from somewhere else?
[19:32] <nacc> rbalint: basically each trigger you add is a srcpkg to use from -proposed for the test
[19:33] <ginggs> https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=zesty&arch=amd64&package=r-bioc-summarizedexperiment&trigger=r-bioc-biocgenerics%2F0.20.0-1&trigger=r-bioc-iranges%2f2.8.1-1
[19:34] <ginggs> i've just requested this ^
[19:34] <Laney> If this indicates a problem with dependencies, that should also be fixed imho
[19:34] <ginggs> i manually added &trigger=r-bioc-iranges%2f2.8.1-1
[19:34] <rbalint> i have to follow all cycles to see if all the packages are only blocked by this problem
[19:34] <barry> Laney: possibly.  maybe my tool to gitify apt-get source is wonky (tho it's always worked until now).  gotta walk the dog then i'll try to do straight up a-g source and apply the patch that way.  maybe 20m
[19:38] <rbalint> ginggs: please try that one, too: https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=zesty&arch=amd64&package=r-cran-treescape&trigger=rcpp%2F0.12.9-1&trigger=r-cran-phangorn=%2F2.1.1-1
[19:39] <ginggs> You submitted an invalid request: Malformed trigger
[19:40] <ginggs> you want &trigger=r-cran-phangorn%2F2.1.1-1 there
[19:40] <ginggs> requested
[19:40] <rbalint> ginggs: yes, thanks
[19:41] <ginggs> rbalint: watch out for versions with '+' in them, replace with %2B
[19:41] <rbalint> ginggs: yes, I'll encode the links
[19:42] <rbalint> ginggs: i think I'll compile a list after i see the results
[19:42] <rbalint> ginggs: there are several dozen triggers which will be needed
[19:43] <ginggs> paste.ubuntu.com
[19:46] <ginggs> rbalint: do you by any chance know what is happening with LP: #1640320 ?  It would be really nice to kick out boost1.61
[19:51] <rbalint> ginggs: AFAIK location-service fix is merged, l-s devs need to release new version
[19:52] <ginggs> rbalint: thanks
[19:52] <rbalint> ginggs: removed the misleasing assignmet to me since I can't release and a different patch got accepted
[20:05] <barry> Laney: could it be an tar.gz/tar.xz thing?
[20:05] <barry>
[20:24] <ginggs> rbalint: http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/r/r-bioc-summarizedexperiment/zesty/amd64 success
[20:26] <ginggs> i've requested that combination on the other arches
[20:36] <Laney> barry: Well, that's why it's allowed to change I presume - I don't know why it *did* change though...
[20:36] <Laney> Did one of you generate the tarball yourselves or something?
[20:37] <Laney> I suppose if you eyeball the changes and make sure they're all okay then we can roll with this
[20:37] <barry> Laney: no, i just syncpackaged it from unstable (sorry, i previously got it mixed up with a few other packages i've been ftbfs-fixing).
[20:37] <barry> % syncpackage -f -b 1679842 python-requests-unixsocket
[20:38] <Laney> ok, maybe not *you*, but the maintainer or whoever uploaded it to Ubuntu the first time
[20:38]  * barry looks at zul :)
[20:38] <Laney> like maybe someone used one of the auto-tarballs from github and the other person found a released version on a website
[20:39] <slangasek> infinity: around?
[20:39] <barry> Laney: do you have a link to a page for exactly the differences you're seeing?  i'm happy to eyeball them, but i want to make sure i'm looking at what you're looking at
[20:39] <Laney> barry: Download the two packages and debdiff them
[20:39] <barry> Laney: ack
[20:40] <slangasek> infinity: discussing subiquity livefs builds with cyphermox; I'm suggesting this should be PROJECT=ubuntu-server, SUBPROJECT=live, since there is already an ubuntu-server livefs build which differs (and must do).  Opinions?
[20:41] <Laney> barry: Suggest you give your findings to slangasek or infinity if they're around when you get them - I'm off for the night now
[20:41] <Laney> see you!
[20:41] <barry> Laney: thanks!
[20:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libmatekbd (zesty-proposed/universe) [1.18.0-0ubuntu1 => 1.18.1-0ubuntu1] (ubuntu-mate, ubuntukylin)
[20:57] <barry> Laney, slangasek, infinity oh, yeah, i bet that's exactly this.  zul probably got 0.1.5 from pypi, but zigo spins openstack packages from git so the two don't match.  :( :(  have i mentioned how much i disagree with that approach?
[20:58] <slangasek> can't imagine anyone ever finding anything objectionable about any of the 15 different approaches to openstack packaging
[20:59] <barry> fortunately there is broad consensus that all those general python library packages should be folded back into dpmt and use the consistent workflow.  that'll happen after stretch most likely
[21:03] <barry> slangasek: so yeah, outside of debian/ it looks like metadata only differences, e.g. some files missing (e.g. AUTHORS, ChangeLog, PKG-INFO).  http://paste.ubuntu.com/24330003/
[21:04] <barry> looks okay to me, and local builds had no problem
[21:11] <infinity> slangasek: I'm not overburdened with opinion on the matter.
[21:17] <barry> i'm also totally fine waiting until aardvark.  this mostly just fixes a ftbfs in doko's rebuild
[21:19] <valorie> aha, so it *will* be aardvark!
[21:19] <barry> valorie: well, if it were up to me, which it rarely is <wink>
[21:19] <barry> aamazing aardvark
[21:19] <valorie> \o/
[21:20] <valorie> love it
[21:20] <valorie> I can already see the artwork in my mind
[21:21]  * acheronuk is still hoping for an Anaconda
[21:22] <barry> oh, i got a million of them.  bbubbly bbabboon, ccrazy ccougar, ddangerous ddingo.  i really don't understand why mark never uses my suggestions
[21:23] <barry> although i did get yakkety right (but it was the obvious choice :)
[21:24] <jbicha> barry: I helped pick maverick! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames?action=diff&rev1=594&rev2=595
[21:25] <barry> jbicha: :)
[21:25] <barry> there should be some kind of prize!
[22:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: keepass2 (zesty-proposed/universe) [2.35+dfsg-1 => 2.35+dfsg-2] (cli-mono) (sync)
[23:07] <doko> slangasek, infinity: please could you review the binutils update in the unapproved queue?
[23:34] <slangasek> doko: there isn't one; there was one accepted 7 hours before your ping?


[13:28] <Maik> hi all, is there someone who can take care of scortal1 in #ubuntu-server? He has been asked kindly multiple times to stop posting random words and nonsense in the support channel but just won't listen. He's banned from #ubuntu already a couple of times and evades his ban somehow.
[13:31] <Maik> This has been going on for quite some time now (if not weeks/months) and it's becoming an annoyance.


[00:34] <spaceneedle> The Nvidia driver(295.40) crashed my desktop computer. I install Kubuntu  and extremely slow. Hope they fix it. Had to install Xubuntu--which is somewhat slow too.
[10:38] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[14:19] <BluesKaj> anything in the repos yet worth trying ... not going to sed the sourceslist this time ... it was a poor install last night so i reverted
[15:52] <Bluefoxicy> heh prefetch
[15:53] <Bluefoxicy> dynamic profiling was never done with readahead because nobody figured out to just predict one access for readahead and ignore it (the profiling mechanism would also see readahead's access, so it made a muddled mess)
[16:49] <Sidewinder> BluesKaj, If you weren't already aware... : http://video.ubuntu.com/live/
[18:51] <aboSamoor> is maas ready for usage? I am reading the documenation and I am not sure what does maas enlist mean?
[18:59] <mongo> so there is no way to get upstart to work with an external pid file?
[18:59] <ikonia> mongo: external ?
[19:00] <mongo> ikonia: the "only track two pids deap" design of upstart is painful, I have a script that does a lot of work to bring up several services, I can't leave it as a legacy init script because legacy init is called too late
[19:01] <mongo> so I can do a "task" but then restart doesn't work
[19:01] <genii-around> ikonia: I think something like if you use /etc/init.d/old-script   then it has a pid which upstart doesn't know about, is there some way to now tell it use that pid manually
[19:01] <ikonia> ahh, in that case "no"
[19:02] <mongo> I hope some work goes into upstart it is limiting :)
[19:03] <mongo> I guess I could call the init script as a task from an earlier emit
[19:03] <mongo> to avoid the braindead failsafe 120second wait that happens if your networking is brought up in legacy init
[19:06] <penguin42> mongo: I think there might be an upstart channel, there is certainly a mailing list for it - might be worth showing your example on there and asking for suggestions
[19:06] <trism> mongo: possibly related blueprint for q: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-q-upstart-overcome-ptrace-limitations
[19:07] <mongo> penguin42: upstart has said it will not be fixed on the email list
[19:07] <mongo> so i'm trying to make openvswitch upstart scripts
[19:09] <mongo> e.g. https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/upstart-devel/2012-April/001873.html <-- same one, i'll look for an upstart channel though thanks
[22:00] <BluesKaj> how are you guys upgrading to 12.10 , release is obviously not in any repos I can access
[22:02] <jtaylor> change the sources.list probably
[22:07] <BluesKaj> jtaylor, not gonna do that ... too many unresolved dependencied and broken packages ...tried that yesterday
[22:07] <jtaylor> big surprise
[22:08] <BluesKaj> yeah , I just thought that somebody had a set of basic packages in a ppa or some such
[22:09] <BluesKaj> ok , ...bbl