[05:37] <tsimonq2> This is interesting behavior... as a member of ~not-canonical I probably should not be able to see the existence of ~canonical-support, but yet the API can find it when polling LP teams for users. Going to it in a web browser gives me an OOPS code. PEBKAC?
[05:38] <tsimonq2> Aha, so it is a public team, disregard my PEBKAC :)
[21:25] <Eickmeyer> Are build uploads to PPAs being slow all the sudden?
[21:32] <Eickmeyer> cjwatson: ^ ?
[21:41] <Eickmeyer> Nvm, my build just went through.


[06:59] <ironwolf> python2.4-pyorbit is borked is appears.
[07:25] <Mithrandir> Treenaks: you forgot to actually attach my signed key. :P
[08:30] <Treenaks> Mithrandir: hm..
[08:45] <thom> Mithrandir: I blame intelligent design, personally
[09:09] <sid77> hi
[09:10] <Treenaks> hi
[09:51] <bob2> mjg59: X seems to be very unhappy waking up on my laptop
[09:52] <Treenaks> bob2: it's an X40 right?
[09:52] <bob2> yup
[09:53] <daniels> worksforme
[09:53] <Treenaks> bob2: poke daniels ;)
[09:53] <bob2> hah, his works fine
[09:54] <Treenaks> bob2: he might be able to tell you how :0
[09:56] <Treenaks> hey John Smith :)
[01:24] <robtaylor> hey all. so, if i want to package something up for ubuntu (gaim-vv) should i just package it in debian unstable 1st?
[01:25] <sivang> robtaylor : why not packaging it in hoary?
[01:26] <carlos> robtaylor: yeah, if you can, please package it for Debian first
[01:27] <robtaylor> meh. someone give me more input
[01:28] <Treenaks> robtaylor: well, get debian, build package :)
[01:28] <robtaylor> carlos: on another matter, had chance to play with accessd yet?
[01:28] <carlos> robtaylor: not yet, sorry
[01:29] <carlos> I'm really busy with Rosetta atm
[01:29] <robtaylor> ok i'm happy with the package for debian route.. (apart from the the month-long-new-package-must-be-evil wait)
[01:29] <robtaylor> carlos: np :_
[01:30] <Treenaks> robtaylor: just poke elmo :)
[01:31] <robtaylor> Treenaks: that genereally doesnt seem to help much...
[01:31] <Treenaks> robtaylor: poke him harder
[01:31] <robtaylor> heh
[01:31] <robtaylor> ok///
[01:32] <robtaylor> heh. if hoary has gaim-vv in core (and i can stabilise it) it will be posed to take over ervy cibercafe in the WORLD!
[01:33] <Treenaks> robtaylor: wouldn't it be better to fold the changes back into gaim mainline?
[01:34] <robtaylor> Treenaks: i think thats the long term plan.. though upstream seem a little, well, odd
[01:35] <sivang> Does anybody know what was the big show yesterday? :)
[01:35] <Treenaks> uh isn't the Big Show today?
[01:36] <sivang> Treenaks, I'm sure not, lulu said she had to go to it last night :)
[01:36] <Treenaks> sivang: hm
[01:37] <sivang> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ConfAgenda
[01:37] <sivang> read the "SHow" about line, for "Thursday night 16th December"
[01:38] <Treenaks> "LinuxSpectacular" on the schedule
[01:38] <Treenaks> www.xdeblas.com/linuxshow
[01:38] <lifeless> that was last night
[01:38] <lifeless> 7:30 in the ballroom
[01:38] <Treenaks> lifeless: yes, that's what he said
[01:39] <carlos> sivang: http://www.xdeblas.com/linuxshow/
[01:39] <sivang> carlos : tnx, on to it now, tnx Treenaks :)
[01:40] <sivang> boy it's slow to download the MPG...
[01:40] <Treenaks> sivang: set up a torrent mirror :)
[01:41] <carlos> sivang: it's hosted in a 128Kbps ADSL line
[01:41] <carlos> so it's normal
[01:41] <carlos> I have a bigger version here
[01:41] <carlos> but don't think I could send you it
[01:41] <sivang> carlos, no thanks alot anyways :) I would wait for it to download..
[01:42] <sivang> carlos, hmm it won't download..Hmm I'll just wait for Xavier to have a mirror for it :)
[01:43] <carlos> it does not work?
[01:43] <sivang> does anyone know kiko's irc nick? :)
[02:05] <carlos> sivang: kiko :-)
[02:06] <sivang> carlos, :)
[02:08] <cenerentola> kiko, :)
[02:09] <elmo>  _* Opt python   python-fixed A fixed point math object for python [dummy package]
[02:09] <elmo>   _* Opt python   python-id3li id3lib wrapper for Python - dummy package
[02:09] <elmo>   _* Opt python   python-mpz   Multiple-precision arithmetic support for Python (default version)
[02:09] <elmo>   _* Opt python   python-pyxat module for manipulating filesystem extended attributes
[02:10] <elmo> doko: ubuntu-desktop depends on those and they appear to be br0k3n
[02:10] <doko> python-fixed isn't built anymore, use the decimal type in 2.4. no packages depend on python-fixedpoint
[02:11] <doko> python-mpz is removed.
[02:11] <Kamion> if somebody updates the seeds, I can probably figure out how to change ubuntu-desktop
[02:11] <doko> I'll look at the other two.
[02:12] <sivang> anybody know if smurfix has changed his nick?
[02:13] <Kamion> sivang: try /names
[02:17] <Keybuk> thom: WIKI! :p
[02:17] <Keybuk> please <g>
[02:18] <cenerentola> sorry ppl but why isnt dsl connection included in network-admin?
[02:19] <Treenaks> cenerentola: "DSL connection" is usually a network connection
[02:19] <Treenaks> cenerentola: or you mean as an alias or with PPPoE or something?
[02:20] <cenerentola> treenaks: yep sorry.. a FoM has an ethernet dsl modem with a dial up connection
[02:20] <cenerentola> and i dont know how to help him
[02:20] <Treenaks> cenerentola: make him run 'pppoeconfig' on the command line
[02:21] <cenerentola> is it in the base installation or needs to be installed?
[02:21] <Treenaks> I think it's in the base.. but I could be wrong
[02:22] <cenerentola> treenaks: any gui in the future?
[02:22] <Treenaks> cenerentola: it's a CLUI :)
[02:22] <trulux> i'm back
[02:22] <Treenaks> cenerentola: but I think it was discussed in a BOF that the PPPoE/PPPoA stuff would be in the network config thing
[02:23] <cenerentola> it's true right..
[02:23] <cenerentola> ok thank you
[02:24] <trulux> lamont, ping
[02:25] <trulux> doko, ping
[02:25] <trulux> pitti, how's going the gcc stuff?
[02:25] <trulux> i'm going to check out the sources right now
[02:25] <trulux> and apply some patches
[02:27] <lamont_r> trulux: it was decided at the security bof that SSP type stuff would best be done in a derrivative distribution
[02:27] <lamont_r> which means that the main ubuntu-sources won't get the patch.
[02:27] <trulux> lamont_r, so, tell me, i'm open for any thing in such terms
[02:28] <lamont_r> the good news is that it was also announced at the conf (last saturday) that canonical is putting together tools to allow derrivitives to be easily managed, including merges, etc.
[02:28] <trulux> lamont_r, i see, so, when do you think this could be started?
[02:29] <trulux> i'm going to get a new server from a new sponsor and start re-organizing the project
[02:29] <AndyFitz> could it be the upgrade to gtk2-2.6?
[02:30] <AndyFitz> after logging in the desktop is frozen. the panels position is loaded but no widgets displayed  nautilus doesnt draw icons or the desktop either
[02:30] <AndyFitz> but the mouse works fine   it just cant do anything
[02:31] <AndyFitz>  I mean interact with anything because all else failed to load
[02:31] <Treenaks> could it be something sound-related?
[02:32] <bob2> AndyFitz: dows killing X and logging in again fix it?
[02:32] <AndyFitz> negatory
[02:33] <AndyFitz> I'm using hoary and believe it was caused by updating within the last 20 mins
[02:33] <AndyFitz> anyone else experiencing this ?
[02:34] <AndyFitz> I'm updating this machine and seeing if the same error occurs
[02:35] <AndyFitz> although if it is gtk2-2.6.0 then I'm really stuffed because xfce4 wont work  and not just gnome
[02:35] <trulux> lamont, ?
[02:36] <AndyFitz> o wait xfce ads fine on the affected machine
[02:36] <AndyFitz>  ads = loads     when keyboard is taken out of range
[02:36] <daniels> elmo: http://www.cafepress.com/cp/prod.aspx?p=fooishbar.15391134
[02:38] <fabbione> Mithrandir: ping
[02:38] <Mithrandir> pong
[02:38] <AndyFitz> nautilus seems to work fine under xfce also..  its a gnome issue but not a config one  ( other accounts log in with the same issue )
[02:38] <fabbione> Mithrandir: ooo fails on sparc64 due to the MANIFEST
[02:39] <Mithrandir> hm, weird.
[02:39] <fabbione> Mithrandir: mind to fix it please?
[02:39] <Mithrandir> prod haggai about it?
[02:39] <fabbione> Mithrandir: i am not sure if it is related to ubuntu changes...
[02:39] <Mithrandir> it is, I can take a look, sure.
[02:40] <Mithrandir> I'm sure people will _love_ me for uploading ooo once a week
[02:40] <fabbione> it would take me another 18 hours to do a test build
[02:40] <fabbione> Mithrandir: nahh it can wait
[02:40] <fabbione> i don't need it right away
[02:40] <fabbione> we know that it can build.. that's the important part
[02:40] <Mithrandir> I'm travelling to Oslo tomorrow, but possibly on sunday.
[02:40] <Mithrandir> though, in Oslo, my bandwidth is _sucky_.
[02:40] <fabbione> even in 2 weeks from now
[02:41] <fabbione> don't get crazy
[02:41] <fabbione> it's the only package missing together with strace
[02:43] <AndyFitz> okay going to logout / in with this now that changes have been made . if something mucks up ill be able to identify the trouble package
[02:44] <daniels> Keybuk: http://www.cafepress.com/cp/prod.aspx?p=fooishbar.15425417
[02:45] <Treenaks> what's up with the cafepress-meme?
[02:46] <Treenaks> daniels: don't forget the ever-popular "CRACK!!!"
[02:47] <Kamion> well, I just bought mjg59's "debian-legal stole my DFSG" baseball jersey, so ...
[02:47] <AndyFitz> cant be a package problem
[02:48] <Treenaks> why?
[02:49] <AndyFitz> because this computer loaded gnome fine
[02:49] <AndyFitz> after updating
[02:49] <fabbione> -> #ubuntu
[02:50] <AndyFitz> but I have no idea what else I did to affect the system
[02:50] <Treenaks> some python2.4 cruft maybe?
[02:51] <Keybuk> http://www.cafepress.com/keybuk.15425670
[02:51] <Keybuk> ^ completed T-Shirt :p
[02:51] <fabbione> guys please move problem solving to #ubuntu
[02:51] <lamont_r> trulux: I'm not on that team, but I expect it's not too far away
[02:51] <Mithrandir> Keybuk: I'm sure thom appreciates that
[02:52] <Keybuk> Mithrandir: he hasn't thrown anything particularly heavy at me yet
[02:52] <Keybuk> he is bright red however
[02:52] <mjg59> You're all just ripping off my designs
[02:52] <Burgundavia_> I might have to go buy that
[02:52] <mjg59> You bastards
[02:52] <Mithrandir> perhaps he doesn't have anything handy?
[02:52] <Treenaks> mjg59: your designs? link!
[02:52] <fabbione> mjg59: how safe is the patch to put ppc to sleep?
[02:53] <daniels> elmo: http://www.cafepress.com/cp/prod.aspx?p=fooishbar.15425905
[02:53] <mjg59> Treenaks: http://www.cafepress.com/mjg59
[02:53] <mjg59> fabbione: No idea
[02:53] <fabbione> mjg59: someone was asking for inclusion
[02:53] <fabbione> afaik the patch is from benh
[02:53] <mjg59> fabbione: It's probably worth it
[02:53] <mjg59> Check with benh, though, if you can
[02:54] <fabbione> yaeh that's an option
[02:54] <bob2> it was me asking for it
[02:54] <Kamion> benh is capable of submitting it upstream, so I wouldn't include it until he's got it upstream
[02:54] <bob2> benh seems pretty happy with it atm
[02:54] <Kamion> personally
[02:54] <AndyFitz> hopefully later tonight ill put the icon set shown here http://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/icons.png
[02:54] <AndyFitz> on this site  for download http://www.brisgeek.com/etiquette/  :)
[02:54] <Treenaks> fabbione: slick!
[02:54] <Treenaks> uh
[02:54] <Treenaks> AndyFitz: slick!
[02:55] <AndyFitz> cheers
[02:55] <fabbione> Kamion: i tend to agree, but sometims upstream can be slow
[02:56] <Kamion> doesn't have to be released ... just in bitkeeper IMHO
[02:57] <Kamion> *shrug* dunno
[02:57] <fabbione> eheh
[02:57] <fabbione> i will give it a spin
[02:57] <fabbione> at the end 2.6.10 won't be default at the first shot
[02:57] <fabbione> we can back it out
[02:58] <fabbione> bob2: mind to either open a bug or send me the patch?
[02:58] <Kamion> oh, that's true, if it's just in the crack-of-the-day build ...
[02:58] <fabbione> bob2: just be sure the bug is assigned to me
[02:58] <bob2> fabbione: will do
[02:58] <fabbione> bob2: danke
[02:58] <Keybuk> heh, let me guess danw
[02:59] <Treenaks> Keybuk: where's your < Keybuk> # .la, a note to follow .so
[02:59] <Treenaks> Keybuk: shirt
[02:59] <Keybuk> Treenaks: that's not especially amusing, given it *is* the reason they're called that
[02:59] <thom> Keybuk: i'm thinking about it :-)
[02:59] <Treenaks> Keybuk: it is? it's not accidental?
[02:59] <Keybuk> I'd buy it :p
[02:59] <Keybuk> Treenaks: not that I'm aware
[02:59] <Keybuk> entirely deliberate
[02:59] <Treenaks> Keybuk: scary
[03:00] <bob2> fabbione: on which package?
[03:01] <fabbione> linux
[03:01] <azeem> whoa, the LWN article on Launchpad makes you think Soyuz is a new, non-free, package manager like e.g. dpkg
[03:02] <trulux> lamont_r, great
[03:02] <trulux> pitti, hi?
[03:02] <pitti> trulux: hi
[03:02] <Keybuk> it's more like a google for distrbution data
[03:03] <jdub> azeem: yeah, that was kinda bong
[03:03] <daniels> Dec 17 15:03:14 catsby kernel: Out of Memory: Killed process 27723 (gimp).
[03:03] <fabbione> nice
[03:03] <trulux> pitti, i'm talking to lamount about hardened debian, what opinion do you have by now?
[03:03] <daniels> d'oh
[03:04] <pitti> trulux: moment, pleaswe
[03:04] <fabbione> daniels: you need to stop watching pr0n on all your 40 virtual desktop when using gimp
[03:04] <trulux> pitti, ok
[03:04] <Keybuk> thom: http://www.cafepress.com/assbarn.1858121
[03:05] <pitti> trulux: we now have kernel support for SELinux, might bring SSP gcc packages into universe and I will provide a PaX kernel soon
[03:05] <pitti> trulux: ping me back in 15 minutes, I have to disconnect
[03:05] <trulux> pitti, sure
[03:05] <trulux> pitti, i'm doing a selinux backport for 2.4
[03:06] <trulux> latest stuff
[03:07] <fabbione> i doubt we will ever support 2.4
[03:08] <bob2> fabbione: #4759
[03:09] <azeem> so is there a reason why LaunchPad will not be open source (initially), or is the LWN story inaccurate in this regard?
[03:16] <Kamion> trulux: we recently *dropped* support for 2.4
[03:17] <trulux> Kamion, i see, yeah
[03:19] <thom> did i mention i hate you all?
[03:19] <Treenaks> thom: ALL?
[03:19] <thom> every single one of you
[03:20] <Treenaks> thom: any particular reason?
[03:24] <jamesh> Treenaks: http://www.cafepress.com/keybuk.15425670
[03:24] <Treenaks> jamesh: that's not a reason to hate :)
[03:29] <trulux> pitti, long 15 minutes past
[03:35] <pitti> lifeless: pmount 0.4.4 (umask 077) is in Ubuntu. Please cry out loud if your ssh stuff still does not work
[03:35] <pitti> trulux: hi
[03:36] <pitti> trulux: btw, do you know how one can detect whether a given binary was built using SSP?
[03:36] <lifeless> pitti: thanks!
[03:36] <Treenaks> hm.. python-serial needs a recompile I think
[03:37] <thom> amu: disk copy is done
[03:37] <daniels> thom: are you smouldering with generic rage?
[03:38] <thom> amu: and unmounted
[03:40] <thom> daniels: careful
[03:42] <Mithrandir> thom: bite!  bite!
[03:43] <Treenaks> Canonical Deathmatch?
[03:44] <amu> thom: thx
[03:46] <trulux> pitti, sure
[03:46] <trulux> pitti, strings binary | grep guard or libssp or stack_smash_handler
[03:47] <pitti> trulux: cool; thanks
[03:50] <trulux> now i must go for lunch, no food since 8am
[03:51] <trulux> ;P
[03:52] <robtaylor> Kinnison: any idea how many of you lot over there will be coming on monday?
[03:55] <pitti> mako: http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/langpack/
[03:55] <Treenaks> pitti: Binary: language-support-ca, language-support-de
[03:56] <Treenaks> pitti: wheres -nl? :)
[03:56] <Treenaks> pitti: what do I have to do to make you add it?
[03:56] <pitti> Treenaks: it's a _demo_ package
[03:56] <pitti> Treenaks: nothing, I will add each and every language once the support is there
[03:56] <Treenaks> pitti: oh cool
[04:02] <jdub> doko: ping?
[04:03] <daniels> http://www.theage.com.au/news/Film/Iraq--coming-to-a-screen-near-you/2004/12/17/1102787272392.html
[04:10] <Mithrandir> daniels: I wonder if they'll have a scene where a marine kills an unarmed and wounded person lying in a mosque.
[04:11] <Treenaks> Mithrandir: that'll be in the Director's Cut
[04:17] <trulux> pitti, how long is to being an ubuntu developer?
[04:17] <trulux> is it like debian timings? *shrug*
[04:18] <pitti> trulux: no, we have a totally different and much quicker approach :-)
[04:19] <pitti> trulux: the short-short story is: find an UD to work with, prove that you have the skills and introduce yourselves to the developers and the community
[04:19] <pitti> trulux: however, such decisions are taken by the Community Council
[04:22] <trulux> pitti, then let me know who wants to handle my admission
[04:22] <trulux> ;-)
[04:23] <pitti> trulux: just start doing something, make your name recognized on the mailing lists and the IRC channel
[04:23] <pitti> trulux: doing an actual upload can be done by an existing UD, and it should be easy to find one
[04:24] <pitti> trulux: much like Debian Sponsoring
[04:24] <trulux> pitti, kay
[04:24] <pitti> trulux: for example, are you interested in preparing gcc SSP packages for Ubuntu universe?
[04:24] <trulux> pitti, yes
[04:25] <trulux> Warty and hoary
[04:25] <trulux> i have both
[04:25] <pitti> trulux: this would really rock
[04:25] <pitti> trulux: not Warty
[04:25] <trulux> Hoary then
[04:25] <pitti> trulux: Hoary only, we will not change anything in Warty
[04:25] <trulux> ok
[04:25] <trulux> let me chroot Hoary
[04:25] <trulux> ;-)
[04:26] <pitti> trulux: we probably won't use SSP for Hoary, it needs some extensive testing
[04:26] <pitti> trulux: but it would be great to play with this and make it easy for other people to try out
[04:26] <pitti> trulux: since OpenBSD and gentoo use it as well, it cannot be so broken
[04:26] <pitti> trulux: our biggest concern is the supportability
[04:26] <trulux> pitti, yeah, listen
[04:27] <pitti> trulux: if there is a big chance that this will not be integrated into gcc4, then we lose
[04:27] <trulux> SSP overhead is minimal, impact when our libssp is used is also minimal
[04:27] <trulux> pitti, it will be, i know it by Etoh
[04:27] <pitti> I know, the runtime costs should be negligible
[04:27] <pitti> trulux: it will be adopted upstream? eventually?
[04:27] <trulux> SSP also does not make conflicts because we can make it only *legitimate* enabled, meaning we would enabled it when we would like to use it
[04:28] <trulux> pitti, dunno, but maybe
[04:28] <pitti> trulux: cool
[04:28] <trulux> i know some people on the FSF ,  even inside the core devel teams, so, i hope i can try to move things+
[04:28] <pitti> trulux: so if you prepare hoary packages, they should probably be called gcc-ssp or so
[04:28] <trulux> but nothing assured
[04:29] <trulux> pitti, umm, i think they would be called .hardened
[04:29] <trulux> gcc-version.hardened
[04:29] <pitti> hmm
[04:29] <pitti> I'd prefer -ssp, though
[04:29] <trulux> -hardened because it would have more than just SSP
[04:29] <trulux> PIE for example
[04:29] <pitti> anyway, the name is not that important for now
[04:29] <trulux> yeah
[04:29] <pitti> what's PIE?
[04:30] <trulux> Position Independent Executables
[04:30] <pitti> ah
[04:30] <pitti> I thought that was called -fpic?
[04:30] <trulux> makes us able to get benefit of memory address space layout randomization
[04:30] <pitti> like PaX?
[04:30] <trulux> yeah
[04:30] <pitti> cool
[04:31] <pitti> I proposed to put a PaX kernel into our universe soon
[04:31] <trulux> in the time i have worked with it, i have know a config that is not invassive, it's smooth and works fine on debian-based envs
[04:31] <trulux> pitti, i would help with that
[04:31] <pitti> ssp and PaX together provide a good protection against buffer overflow exploits
[04:31] <trulux> not only that, also to many other things
[04:31] <pitti> trulux: does X.org still break with PaX?
[04:32] <trulux> dunno really, i think that was XFree, XOrg is pax-friendly AFAIK
[04:32] <pitti> trulux: I remember that older XFree versions did not play well with pax
[04:32] <pitti> well, I'll try that out
[04:32] <daniels> you break it, you get to keep both pieces :P
[04:40] <mvo> thanks Keybuk !
[04:51] <trulux> pitti, can you upload my pkgs after i build them?
[04:51] <pitti> trulux: sure
[04:52] <trulux> pitti, thanks ;D
[04:53] <pitti> trulux: cool, I'm looking forward to playing around with it
[04:53] <trulux> pitti, maybe an Ubuntu-Hardened Debian alliance should be created, i was promoting such alliances between hardened gentoo, adamantix and debhard
[04:53] <trulux> tseng, right? :)
[04:56] <trulux> pitti:
[04:56] <trulux> root@estila:/# apt-get install dpkg-dev debnest
[04:56] <trulux> Leyendo lista de paquetes... Hecho
[04:56] <trulux> Creando rbol de dependencias... Hecho
[04:56] <trulux> i'm getting the devel tools
[05:00] <trulux> ready
[05:00] <trulux> pitti, i hope i will work on the collision rts and let this get the toolchain sources
[05:00] <trulux> kay?
[05:01] <pitti> sure, thanks
[05:01] <trulux> also, we must provide a special binutils package
[05:01] <trulux> we need the kernel.org version
[05:01] <pitti> trulux: is it specific for SSP, or has it some general modifications which also allow SSP?
[05:02] <trulux> the binutils one? is for native PaX marking support
[05:02] <trulux> PT_PAX_FLAGS
[05:02] <pitti> ah, that one
[05:02] <trulux> i have a work that maybe you can do, as i'm not able to figure how to do it
[05:03] <trulux> packaging the libssp as debian pkg
[05:03] <trulux> i couldn't do it
[05:03] <pitti> trulux: what makes it difficult?
[05:04] <trulux> my (un)experience on packaging libraries that need to be installed in some different locations
[05:05] <pitti> trulux: hmm, I can do that
[05:07] <trulux> ok
[05:08] <trulux> pitti, give me an address to send you the tarball
[05:08] <trulux> it's light
[05:08] <pitti> libssp?
[05:08] <pitti> trulux<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:08] <pitti> trulux: if it is bigger than 100 KB, then please put it onto people.d.o or so
[05:08] <pitti> trulux: or, rather
[05:09] <pitti> trulux: can you just send me the upstream URL?
[05:09] <trulux> i'm the upstream
[05:09] <pitti> oooohkay
[05:09] <pitti> trulux: what does this lib do?
[05:12] <trulux> pitti, implements SSP as shared lib
[05:12] <trulux> no more crappy behaviors nor strange errors
[05:12] <pitti> trulux: you mean the functions that generate and check canaries?
[05:12] <trulux> yep
[05:12] <trulux> ssp.c
[05:12] <pitti> trulux: and previous versions did this with macros?
[05:12] <trulux> it provides backward compatibility with Glibc version
[05:13] <trulux> just that
[05:13] <trulux> it was an original idea of some gentoo devs
[05:13] <jamesh> because what the world needs is more shared libraries
[05:14] <jamesh> to be more exact, more shared libraries that might end up being linked to every application
[05:14] <trulux> pitti, sorry, my evo did something stupid and tarball is not included, resending
[05:16] <trulux> pitti, sent
[05:18] <pitti> trulux: got it, thanks
[05:21] <trulux> ok
[05:21] <trulux> pitti, then i will start playing around gcc
[05:21] <trulux> gcc-3.3 or gcc-3.4?
[05:21] <trulux> what one do you want with SSP & PIE
[05:21] <pitti> I don't really mind
[05:22] <pitti> in the end we should be able to provide both
[05:22] <pitti> but for playing around either is fine
[05:24] <trulux> then 3.4
[05:34] <mooch> thom may?
[05:36] <mooch> anyone knows his nick?
[05:36] <pitti> mooch: thom is the correct one
[05:36] <mooch> thom: ping
[05:37] <daniels> mooch: he's not here at the moment
[05:49] <da_bon_bon> hi all i am having major problem
[05:49] <da_bon_bon> can anyone help me, please?
[05:50] <da_bon_bon>  i installed ubuntu, and entered username as "rohandhruva" and a password, but whenever i enter it in newly installed sysytem, after entering password, it again asks for username
[05:51] <Kinnison> try "rohandhr" as your username
[05:51] <Kinnison> It may be truncating to 8 characters
[05:58] <trulux> doko, i'm starting a hardened gcc-3.4 packages for hoary
[05:58] <da_bon_bon> hi, i need some help, can anyonr help me?
[05:59] <trulux> i will change the pkgs names but i need some help on creating the right configuration for them, i mean, they must not conflict with gcc-3.4 ones
[05:59] <trulux> we need a gentoo-alike gcc profile changer
[05:59] <trulux> or even different named gcc packages
[06:00] <da_bon_bon> i installed ubuntu, chose username "rohandhruva" and a password, but now thats not accpeted, after entering password, i again am returned to username prompt
[06:00] <daniels> trulux: er
[06:01] <daniels> ii  gcc-3.3                   3.3.5-4                   The GNU C compiler
[06:01] <daniels> ii  gcc-3.4                   3.4.3-2ubuntu1            The GNU C compiler
[06:02] <trulux> daniels, i just appended -hardened to version
[06:03] <trulux> name is not important by now
[06:04] <Kinnison> da_bon_bon: try "rohandhr" as your username
[06:08] <daniels> trulux: well, we have differently-named gcc packages
[06:08] <trulux> daniels, i'm just following what pitti said, but tell me about them
[06:09] <trulux> i'm new in Ubuntu development
[06:09] <daniels> trulux: gcc-2.95 ... gcc-3.2 ... gcc-3.3 ... gcc-3.4 ...
[06:11] <trulux> yeah
[06:30] <mooch> ping
[06:30] <mooch> there is an error in the wiki web page
[06:30] <mooch> System Message: ERROR/3 (<string>, line 3)
[06:30] <mooch> Document or section may not begin with a transition.
[06:30] <mooch> ubuntulinux.com/wiki
[06:30] <mooch> at the bottom
[06:30] <Kamion> it's a wiki, you can fix it ... :)
[06:31] <mooch> Kamion: i believe is more a code problem...
[06:32] <mooch> gotta go
[06:33] <Kamion> mooch: well, there's junk at the end of the page
[06:33] <Kamion> mooch: deleting it solved the problem
[06:34] <douglas> hi !
[06:34] <douglas> where i can report a pygtk error ?
[06:34] <douglas> im using ubuntu hoary
[06:35] <Kamion> bugzilla; but note that an upload happened just recently to fix a pygtk problem
[06:35] <mgedmin> mooch: that's the way docutils tells you about incorrect reStructuredText markup
[06:37] <douglas> hey Kamion
[06:37] <douglas> you right
[06:37] <douglas> i updated ubuntu and it worked
[06:37] <douglas> thanks :)
[08:06] <gsuveg> re
[09:17] <Simira> I just *love* the new menus in hoary Gnome!
[09:18] <Treenaks> Simira: seb128 isn't here to receive your love :)
[09:18] <Simira> oh, shame... well, I'll get him later :)
[09:19] <Simira> I didn't like the last one at all...
[09:19] <Treenaks> "the last one"?
[09:20] <Simira> the messy one :p menu setup, that is
[09:20] <Treenaks> ah ok
[09:25] <sivang> Simira, new menus?
[09:25] <sivang> which ones?
[09:25] <Treenaks> Simira: the applications/places/system ones I think
[09:25] <Simira> sivang: in hoary, Apps;Places;System
[09:26] <sivang> Simira, can't see them..
[09:26] <sivang> strange.
[09:26] <sivang> maybe I have to logout the gnome session :)
[09:26] <Simira> sivang: last update, though. Made today.
[09:26] <Simira> or someth
[09:26] <Treenaks> sivang: update to the latest hoary, and if you're running a stock kernel, reboot
[09:27] <Treenaks> sivang: that should take care of it :)
[09:27] <sivang> Simira, were there any discussin before the layout change? or is it a debian upstream change?
[09:27] <Simira> sivang: quite a lot of discussions, I believe. I really like the result, anyway
[09:27] <sivang> Simira, where was it? devel mailing list?
[09:28] <Simira> sivang: not sure, I didn't read it ;p
[09:34] <Simira> *plays with hoary*
[09:39] <Fwiffo_> sivang: there were some discussion on the devel list
[11:10] <Qerub> Anyone file like uploading a PO template of gnome-panel to Rosetta?
[11:15] <Simira> crap!
[11:15] <Simira> where can I find a downloadable dicionary for translation?


[00:24] <mwhudson> doko: do you know why all the armhf dkms autopkgtests are failing?
[00:25] <mwhudson> lots of /tmp/ccNx7Clb.s:5730: Error: selected processor does not support `isb ' in ARM mode
[00:26] <mwhudson> feels like the fpu problem slightly but obviously not the same thing
[03:02] <mwhudson> uhh i assume that the fact that the boost1.74 autopkgtests have the boost1.71 libraries installed is thisisfine.gif
[03:21] <mwhudson> ahem http://launchpadlibrarian.net/553778135/boost1.74_1.74.0-8ubuntu2_1.74.0-8ubuntu3.diff.gz
[08:07] <schopin> vorlon: ACK regarding using the LP PAM git repo instead of a raw debdiff, however to merge the Debian version I'm not sure of how to proceed, as your Salsa repo only goes up to the 1.4.0-1. I'll base my changes on top of Sam Hartman's fork, but I'll be happy to change to whatever is comfortable for you.
[09:22] <mitya57> doko: hi, qtwebkit-opensource-src FTBFS with GCC 11 in your test rebuild, but I have no idea what to do with this error:
[09:22] <mitya57> [3536/4460] : && /usr/bin/cmake -E rm -f lib/libWebCore.a && /usr/bin/ar crT lib/libWebCore.a  @CMakeFiles/WebCore.rsp && /usr/bin/ranlib lib/libWebCore.a && :
[09:22] <mitya57> /usr/bin/ranlib: Failed to load plugin '/usr/bin/../lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/bfd-plugins/libdep.so', reason: /usr/bin/../lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/bfd-plugins/libdep.so: cannot open shared object file: Too many open files
[09:24] <mitya57> then the build continues, but the generated libWebCore.a is broken:
[09:24] <mitya57> /usr/bin/ld: lib/libWebCore.a: error adding symbols: malformed archive
[09:24] <mitya57> Do you have any suggestion what to do with this?
[09:28] <TJ-> mitya57: I've seen that in other circumstances (-EMFILE) caused by user resource limits
[09:41] <mitya57> TJ-: but it happened on all architectures, so it's not a problem with one particular buildd.
[09:45] <TJ-> mitya57: would the user limits be the same on all the builders though? I'm not familiar with the builder configurations so not sure, but maybe add some monitor to track the number of open files?
[10:16] <doko> mitya57, no idea yet. the libdep plugin was already added in binutils 2.36, so it shouldn't be a recent change
[10:17] <doko> can you file bug report for that with the ftbfs tag?
[10:18] <mitya57> doko: against what package?
[10:25] <mitya57> TJ-: I also have no idea how to do that but maybe I'll try, thanks.
[13:06] <dbungert> what's the process to demote something out of main?  Do I more or less file a MIR bug but with reverse justifications?  I believe libnss-db no longer merits inclusion in main.
[15:10] <bdmurray> dbungert: does anything depend on libnss-db?
[15:10] <dbungert> bdmurray: only recommends, and those things that recommend are outside of main
[15:29] <slyon> ddstreet: okay, thanks! Your upstream fix applies cleanly to our v248 and passes tests locally. So I'll cherry-pick and include it in my upload tomorrow.
[15:39] <laney> dbungert: what's keeping it in main? seeded directly?
[15:39] <laney> merge proposal ought to do it if so, at least the first step. once merged it'll show up on component-mismatches
[15:39] <dbungert> laney: unsure
[15:40] <laney> dbungert: https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntu.hirsute/rdepends/libnss-db/libnss-db
[15:40] <laney> :-)
[15:41] <laney> well s/hirsute/impish/
[15:41] <cjwatson> https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/platform/tree/supported-development-common#n70 I think
[15:41] <cjwatson> snap, ish
[15:41] <laney> all roads lead to supported-development-common
[15:42] <dbungert> ok, so next step then is I send a MP removing that line?
[15:42] <laney> yep, convince someone to reemove it
[15:43] <dbungert> great, thanks laney cjwatson bdmurray
[15:55] <vorlon> schopin: perfect, I realized myself just upon seeing your MP email that I still needed to pull Sam's changes
[16:45] <schopin> o/ I'm looking for a sponsor for git-remote-hg (LP: #1940123) before the feature freeze, any taker? :)
[22:10] <mwhudson> i made a discourse post for glibc coordination https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/migrating-glibc-2-34/23749
[22:16] <RikMills> mwhudson: fyi, the qtwebengine test build failed due to a single symbol going awol with GCC 11, so new build have been started to compelete sometime in the next 24 hrs
[22:52] <mwhudson> RikMills: argh / yay
[23:04] <bdmurray> guiverc: Could you test the latest focal iso for bug 1937115?
[23:05] <guiverc> bdmurray, any particular flavor?  (or main ubuntu?)
[23:05] <bdmurray> guiverc: shim should be the same version on all flavors so whatever you prefer.
[23:06] <RikMills> mwhudson: lol. pretty much my reaction! damn, but at least the build fix (symbols aside) worked
[23:06] <guiverc> ack & will do
[23:13] <bdmurray> thanks!


[01:35] <Guest22894> can anyone help with a qquestion?
[01:35] <Guest22894> ?
[01:36] <Guest22894> no?
[07:19] <MCR1> bschaefer: Hi :) Your better-wording branch has been finally merged. I have deleted and recreated my branch to fix the hardcoded "Alt+Space" based on latest unity, but it needs approval: https://code.launchpad.net/~mc-return/unity/unity.merge.fix-hardcoded-keys-part1/+merge/121545
[07:25] <MCR1> duflu: Hi :) Merging the GLES branch was imho a little bit too early maybe, I had to revert to r3319 here at least. Compiz was crashing on me all the time and loads of new bugs showed that have not been there before...
[07:26] <duflu> MCR1: If there are any crashes/bugs, please prove it and log them :)
[07:29] <MCR1> duflu: I filed some of them already, but you can imagine that the reduced functionality and non-working plugins hurt...
[07:30] <duflu> MCR1: As far as I know, all Ubuntu plugins are fully functional. What are the bugs?
[07:31] <MCR1> for example 3d-windows do not work anymore (no Ubuntu default, I know)
[07:31] <MCR1> or my second screen is rendered black while moving a window in expo mode
[07:31] <duflu> MCR1: Bug id?
[07:31] <MCR1> or the text is rendered with black background
[07:32] <MCR1> one moment
[07:32] <MCR1> bug 1041822
[07:32] <MCR1> bug 1042132
[07:33] <MCR1> I am now back on r3319, because as I said r3320+ crashed on me all the time - I could not get it to run with Unity trunk
[07:34] <MCR1> now everything is back to stable here
[07:41] <duflu> MCR1: Sorry, something has gone wrong with the group subscriptions and your bugs never arrived in my email. Also, if there is a crash then please create a bug and discuss it there
[07:42] <MCR1> I should have some crash logs dumped, but I forgot where those were saved...
[07:43] <duflu> MCR1: /var/crash
[07:44] <MCR1> thx
[07:45] <duflu> MCR1: What video driver do you use?
[07:45] <MCR1> gallium
[07:45] <MCR1> ATI opensource
[07:45] <duflu> MCR1: OK radeon
[07:45] <MCR1> HD 5750 here
[07:46] <MCR1> the last time I tried fglrx failed on qu, but I did not try the latest one yet
[07:47] <MCR1> Unfortunately I have already cleaned up the crash logs :P
[07:50] <MCR1> duflu: Yeah, I already thought about filing a bug regarding the launchpad mails - If I file a bug and you add a comment I never get informed about it - that is quite bad
[07:50] <MCR1> it looks like everyone would ignore each other
[07:50] <duflu> MCR1: Sounds like a launchpad bug http://launchpad.net/launchpad
[07:51] <MCR1> yes, probably this should be reported
[07:55] <MCR1> duflu: I've asked on the launchpad channel what this not-sending email launchpad thing is all about for now...
[07:57] <duflu> MCR1: Using wobbly
[07:57] <duflu> ?
[07:57] <duflu> As in wobbly in expo?
[07:59] <MCR1> yes
[08:03] <duflu> MCR1: That's a very important detail. Please mention it in your expo bug(s)
[08:03] <MCR1> duflu: ok
[08:41] <MCR1> duflu: I have reported the launchpad mail issues: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1042628
[08:42] <MCR1> I was informed about this: http://blog.launchpad.net/cool-new-stuff/better-bug-subscriptions
[13:05] <Mirv> https://launchpad.net/~unity-team/+archive/release updated, testing welcome although do note there are already a bunch of known bugs so check for duplicates
[14:44] <smoser> anyone have a functional hiding launcher on quantal?
[14:44] <smoser> i cannot seem to make the thing hide
[14:44]  * Debolaz has an invisible launcher in quantal.
[14:44] <Debolaz> Though I suspect that's a bug. :-)
[14:45] <smoser> well, i'd honestly prefer that.
[14:45] <seb128> smoser, hide fine here
[14:45] <seb128> smoser, did you check the state in system settings, appareance?
[14:46] <smoser> i've toggled back and forth
[14:46] <smoser> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1042330
[14:46] <smoser> is the bug i opened
[14:46] <smoser> i'm not actually sure if its related to 2 heads or not
[15:22] <smoser> seb128, you have any thing that could help me?
[15:26] <seb128> smoser, no
[15:26] <seb128> sorry I'm busy and I've no idea out of the fact that it works here with my session or a guest session
[15:59] <hallyn_> Say I have 3 terminator's open on one desktop.  I switch to another desktop.  The left side of the icon in launcher now just shows one ticky.  That's neat.  But if one of the terminators extends onto another virtual desktop, the launcher doesn't jump to the terminators when I click on the icon?
[16:00] <hallyn_> is that known current behavior, worth filing a bug, or deemed notabug-dontdothat?
[18:43] <krychu> Hi everyone, I'm working on a research project and have little experience with ubuntu/unity, is there a simple way to write extensions/plugins to HUD? in particular to get all menu items from all installed applications and alter the results of user queries?
[18:49] <CookieM_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/HUD ' Info (!) HUD is in a very early stage of development, and not ready for production use.'
[18:55] <krychu> developing for HUD: coming soon - ok this explains a lot
[18:56] <krychu> I have another question then, how to get all menu items (structures) from all installed applications in ubuntu? I tried dbusmenu.Client().get_root() but that returns None
[18:57] <krychu> I also tried dbusmenu-dumper but it complains about com.canonical.AppMenu.Registrar name not being provided by any service
[19:40] <g0twig> mhall119: I think about supporting a nice app for my recipes search, but I think the author does not care anymore about the app
[19:44] <alesage> ping cyphermox
[19:44] <cyphermox> pong alesage
[19:46] <mhall119> g0twig: which app?
[19:53] <gotwig> lol, I am chatting trough Thunderbird
[19:53] <gotwig> mhall119: I talk about cookety
[19:54] <mhall119> the author isn't going to keep working on it?
[19:55] <gotwig> mhall119: last commit was about 1 month ago, I sent him a mail yesterday about collaboration
[19:59] <mhall119> hmm, hope he keeps it going
[19:59] <mhall119> there was another recipe manager that was submitted to the app showdown
[20:00] <mhall119> https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/apps/1282/


[02:09] <Senor> ipvsadm not working on ubuntu
[02:09] <Senor> it can not do packet routing
[06:50] <ice9> are there any differences between ubuntu desktop and server other than there is no GUI?
[07:15] <trijntje> Hi all, I need a simple server that serves pdfs from a single directory to the internet. Which program should I use for this? I'd prefer something simple since I have no experience running a server
[07:46] <andol> trijntje: apache2 or nginx
[07:48] <andol> trijntje: apache2 having the minor benefit here of being covered in the Ubuntu server guide - https://help.ubuntu.com/14.04/serverguide/httpd.html
[07:50] <trijntje> andol: thanks. I guess I'll try nginx first after reading http://www.wikivs.com/wiki/apache_vs_nginx, since I'll be serving static files from a netbook
[07:52] <andol> trijntje: Unless we are talking about a large number of simultaneous downloads I doubt you'd notice much of a difference.
[08:07] <trijntje> next problem, the install usb I make for 14.04 32 bit server fails consistently on checking cd for defects
[08:07] <trijntje> if I use usb-creator it says ./install/netboot/ubuntu-installer/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default is corrupted
[08:07] <trijntje> if I use unetbootin it says ./pool/main/l/linux/pcmcia-storage-modules-3.13.0-24-generic-di)3.13.0-24.46-i386.udeb is corrupted
[08:09] <trijntje> the md5 of the iso is correct, and I've remade the live usb several times with both usb-creator and unetbootin, always with the same result
[08:11] <cloudman> Hi, what version of fail2ban is trusty using please
[08:12] <trijntje> weirdly, booting the image directly in vbox does not give any errors
[08:15] <tonyyarusso> !info fail2ban trusty
[10:36] <cloudman> tonyyarusso: thanks
[10:38] <chrisrer> good morning from greece.....do you know anyone phplive support script? if yes i want to ask if make the code to run to new php version on ubuntu server 14.04
[11:11] <Sockbat2> Hi folks. I run this command in a script from /etc/cron.daily/ but it does not seem to execute the command. I use "sudo -u username command" because it needs to be run as that user.
[11:12] <Sockbat2> If I am logged in as root and use "sudo -u username command" then it works, but it doesn't from that cron script.
[13:23] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[14:21] <derrzzaa> I'm looking into using ubuntu server, but I need to mount a load of NTFS volumes.
[14:22] <derrzzaa> Am I going to have a bad time?  or will I be able to mount them (for read and write)?
[14:22] <ice9> are there any differences between ubuntu desktop and server other than there is no GUI?
[14:30] <rostam> Hi is there any support for ubuntu hardening. I am interested for 14.04 or 12.04 LTs packages. Thx
[14:48] <trijntje> I cant seem to create a usb to install 14.04 server 32 bit, every time I try and check the disk for defects it returns the same error. Is this a known issue with the server images?
[14:54] <derrzzaa> A pitfile first attempt at installing ubuntu server. blinking cursor on otherwise blank screen
[14:58] <derrzzaa> hammer smash: keyboard
[14:58] <trijntje> derrzzaa: try checking the disk for defects
[14:59] <derrzzaa> I'm wondering now, can you not do a format of a drive as part of the installation?
[15:25] <trijntje> ubuntu server 14.04 32bit live usb keeps giving me the same error when checking the disk for defects. Is this a known bug in the iso that can be safely ignored?
[16:56] <xtbman> I installed Ubuntu server, setting up my wireless connection. It said that the connection succeeded. Now that server is installed, and I'm at the command line, it says the network is down. Ping returns unknown host. Pinging my router returns "connect: network is unreachable"
[17:28] <trijntje> Hi all, I just installed nginx for the first time and I get stuck in the beginners guide. My config file is here http://pastebin.com/f3zdPV4D, when i go to http://localhost/test/file1 I get a 404 error. Can somebody tell me which filesystem path that url corresponds to?
[17:28] <trijntje> in my mind, it should serve the file located at /data/test/file1, but clearly I'm wrong
[17:37] <hehehe> heya
[17:37] <hehehe> folks when I run nestat I see  tcp6       0      0 localhost.localdom:9370 localhost.localdo:59022 TIME_WAIT what does time wait means?
[17:40] <hehehe> :)))
[17:42] <hehehe> is it caused by low memory?
[17:42] <hehehe> time wait
[18:09] <nszceta> https://superuser.com/questions/173535/what-are-close-wait-and-time-wait-states
[18:09] <nszceta> Basically the "WAIT" states mean that one side closed the connection but the final confirmation of the close is pending.

[18:15] <trijntje> I'm trying to get started with nginx by following the beginners guide for static files http://nginx.org/en/docs/beginners_guide.html. I've copied over the exact config, but when i go to http://localhost/images/example.png I get a 404 page, and the access.log shows  "GET /images/image.png HTTP/1.1" 404 151
[21:31] <snake3543> Is there any way I can keep the system information in my motd but take out the "graph this data" bit
[21:33] <Patrickdk> sure
[21:33] <Patrickdk> edit motd
[21:34] <Patrickdk> delete/edit/... files in /etc/update-motd.d
[21:34] <snake3543> yeah im trying to find the one responsible for that bit
[22:38] <zanzacar> I am having issues, not sure whats going on. I was trying to install ubuntu-desktop onto a linux box. trying to upgrade it to a desktop machine basically
[22:38] <zanzacar> i didn't want to go back and install a desktop machine from scratch.
[22:38] <zanzacar> http://pastebin.com/fAuEQ8xn
[22:38] <zanzacar> any thoughts on how to continue?
[23:32] <Patrickdk> zanzacar, ask #ubuntu?