[15:23] <dobey> elopio: hey, i fixed that typo you pointed out last night
[15:24] <elopio> dobey: changed to approve. Thanks.


[04:51] <pitti> GOo dmorning
[04:51] <pitti> oh dear
[04:51] <pitti> Good morning
[05:46] <RAOF> And a goooooooo morning to you, too, pitti!
[05:46] <pitti> hey RAOF!
[05:48] <RAOF> Do you have any idea what's happening in the trusty neutron autopkgtests? http://d-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/view/Trusty/view/AutoPkgTest/job/trusty-adt-neutron/lastBuild/ARCH=amd64,label=adt/console is an example of the failure; something seems to be SIGTERMing something or other?
[05:49] <pitti> meh, what's wrong with firefox/vpn
[05:49] <RAOF> Oh, you're machine is also plagued by gremlins? Mine was having trouble seeing the ipv4 internet earlier.
[05:50] <pitti> $ host d-jenkins.ubuntu-ci
[05:50] <pitti> Host d-jenkins.ubuntu-ci not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
[05:50] <pitti> VPN itself works fine (I'm ssh'ed to IPs in prodstack), but apparently DNS broke
[05:51] <pitti> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Trusty/view/AutoPkgTest/job/trusty-adt-neutron/
[05:51] <pitti> looking at the job history it seems fairly consistent
[05:51] <pitti> RAOF: no idea from the log, I suppose that needs to be reproduced locally and investigated; the test isn't very verbose
[05:52] <RAOF> Yeah; seems like it hasn't passed since Trusty released.
[05:52] <RAOF> Fortunately there's a neutron SRU in -unapproved, so someone is going to get the lucky door prize soon!
[05:54] <pitti> well, a lot of the trusty autopkgtests are busted anyway
[05:54] <pitti> during trusty development we had a completely different autopkgtest environment
[08:06] <Laney> Hellooooooooooo
[08:07] <seb128> hey Laney, how is uk today?
[08:07] <Laney> hot!
[08:07] <Laney> how's fr/nl/wherever you are?
[08:11] <seb128> I'm in .fr, driving this afternoon though
[08:11] <seb128> weather is still a bit cold and wet here
[08:11] <seb128> where is summer?!
[08:12] <Laney> i'm keeping it safe for you
[08:12] <Laney> you can come visit one evening per month
[08:12] <seb128> lol
[08:42] <Laney> qengho: Looks like this is fixed in -11 in Debian maybe
[08:42] <Laney> testing that now
[08:43]  * Laney tries to remember how to poke an extra apt repo into adt
[10:25]  * Laney cries
[10:26] <seb128> chromium still making issues?
[10:26] <Laney> oh dunno about that, I just retried it
[10:27] <Laney> was looking at libreoffice/wps/poppler
[10:27] <Laney> it is involving another transition "mapnik" which isn't done in debian
[10:27] <Laney> can't find any relevant bugs
[10:37] <seb128> :-/
[10:37] <seb128> seems like a job for Sweet5hark1!
[10:38] <Laney> can we demote the mapnik stack to proposed?
[10:38]  * seb128 looks what is mapnik
[10:39] <Laney> wait, that wouldn't help
[10:39] <Laney> things are getting built against the new soname
[10:40] <Laney> no wait wait, it would
[10:40] <Laney> if we demote node-mapnik monav and their rdeps
[10:46] <Laney> qengho: hmm, still fails with -11 - can you quickly check if there's some difference which is missing please?
[10:52] <seb128> Laney, is mapnik&co the only thing blocking those transitions?
[10:54] <Laney> seb128: no, there is proj too...
[10:55] <Laney> if we believe https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=784160 then it should go right in
[11:00] <Laney> oh also mapnik has some NBS in proposed that needs cleaning up
[11:00] <Laney> should just be a matter of removing those packages from wily-proposed
[11:01] <seb128> I'm happy to run commands for you if you gave them to me ;-)
[11:01] <seb128> give*
[11:01] <seb128> but lunch first, bbiab
[11:03] <Laney> let me do the proj rebuilds first then see where we are
[11:08]  * Sweet5hark1 sneaks in.
[11:08]  * Sweet5hark1 googles wth mapnik is.
[11:13] <Sweet5hark1> Laney: presumably mapnik doesnt use libwps (I hope?). poppler I can imagine though ...
[11:14] <Laney> Sweet5hark1: it's just that all depending packages have to be ready together
[11:14] <Laney> which can then drag in other transitions you see
[11:14] <Sweet5hark1> Lab
[11:14] <Sweet5hark1> Laney: sure.
[11:14] <Laney> I think I see a path out
[11:18] <larsu> hey everyone
[11:47]  * desrt yawns
[12:17] <Laney> hey desrt!
[12:21] <desrt> hi laney
[12:21] <Laney> what's happening?
[12:22] <desrt> waiting.
[12:22] <desrt> i get the keys for the new place in 2 days
[12:22] <Laney> ah, this feeling of being on the cusp
[12:25] <desrt> ya...
[12:25] <desrt> enough to drive one mad :)
[12:26] <desrt> through various strange situations the date has shifted around a lot, and now, in fact, there are three separate dates for various different things
[12:38] <Laney> as long as "receive furniture" is after "gain possession"
[12:40] <Laney> qengho: I've fixed it, please pull chromium-browser so we don't lose the fixes
[12:43] <desrt> Laney: it is :)
[12:44] <pitti> hey larsu, how are you?
[12:44] <pitti> larsu: travelling?
[13:02] <larsu> pitti: hi! I'm great thanks. How are you?
[13:02] <larsu> not travelling, no
[13:24] <pitti> larsu: I'm great, thanks! having fun with cloud stuff
[15:49] <dpm> hi Sweet5hark1, quick question: how does the Android app manage to trim the LO app to 50MB?
[15:50] <Sweet5hark1> dpm: custom build. cutting out a bazillion things.
[15:52] <dpm> Sweet5hark1, could we also cut a bazillion things ourselves for the viewer?
[15:52] <Sweet5hark1> dpm: also, its a 50 MB installer (thus compressed), the size on the image might be larger.
[15:53] <Sweet5hark1> dpm: yes, its quite some work and we would also need a custom build too. but sure its possible,
[15:59] <Sweet5hark1> dpm: FWIW, just looking at /usr/lib/libreoffice is 250MB here, the biggest stuff is libmerged 52MB (all of core office), sw 14MB(Writer), sc 13MB (Calc), wpftwriter (12MB)
[16:01] <Sweet5hark1> dpm: as the production build on Ubuntu has ~everything in libmerged its not trivial to see how much of that we can cut. It will be a good bunch: e.g. there's a lot of UI dialogs and frontend stuff in there.
[16:03] <Sweet5hark1> dpm: the stuff to cut out would be UI (which we dont use), scripting interfaces (which we dont use), file format filters (e.g. reading word perfect files etc.)
[16:06] <dpm> thanks for looking into this Sweet5hark1
[16:09] <Sweet5hark1> dpm: (im not counting the stuff in /usr/share/libreoffice: themes, templates etc. -- we dont need most of that)
[16:09] <dpm> ack


[12:23] <Riddell> anyone running breezy?
[12:23] <Riddell> allee?
[12:23] <kozz> if I can be of any help, yes...
[12:24] <Riddell> kozz: could you run  xvfb-run konqueror  and tell me what it does
[12:26] <kozz> http://www.kubuntu.pastebin.com/468433
[12:27] <kozz> notthing else happends
[12:27] <kozz> also using KDE 3.5 packages
[12:27] <Riddell> excellent
[12:27] <Riddell> means dapper is broken
[12:28] <kozz> to bad :)
[01:16] <Riddell> yo Hobbsee, fancy packaging the new rsibreak?
[01:17] <Hobbsee> on breezy?
[01:17] <Riddell> well it would be for dapper but on breezy is probably fine
[01:17] <Riddell> make a chroot with debootstrap if you want to do it properly
[01:17] <Hobbsee> i could build on either, makes no difference which one i boot to
[01:19] <Riddell> http://wiki.kubuntu.org/DebootstrapChroot
[01:19] <Hobbsee> can i pass today?  i have to go to work in just over an hour, and i wont be around for many hours after that
[01:20] <Riddell> Hobbsee: fair enough, let me know if you have some time to spare soon :)
[01:20] <Hobbsee> ok
[01:20] <Hobbsee> if i were to just package it on dapper to start with, would i need the chroot?
[01:20] <Hobbsee> presumably not...
[01:21] <Riddell> nope
[01:21] <seth_k|lappy> imo, use pbuilder; it sets up all the chroots for you
[01:22] <Riddell> use pbuilder to check it's all good but too much hassle if you're making the package
[01:32] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, I don't think kboincspy has a new upstream version anymore
[01:33] <seth_k|lappy> (per your earlier comment about some more packages for me to do)
[01:33] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i'll have more time in...1-2 days, i think
[01:34] <seth_k|lappy> nor datakiosk, Riddell. Both appear to be the newest upstream version
[01:34] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:35] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: ah, I'm getting confused with kboincspy and kboincspy-cvs
[01:35] <Riddell> probably kboincspy-cvs should be removed
[01:35] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: datakiosk in ubuntu is 0.7, latest release is 0.8 http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=20631
[01:36] <Riddell> ah, 0.8 beta
[01:36] <Riddell> maybe not then
[01:43] <Hobbsee> food?  what's that?
[01:43] <seth_k|lappy> I think it's one of the Three Mythical Beings: food, sleep, and vacation
[01:44] <Hobbsee> ah...
[01:44] <Hobbsee> well, technically, i am on vacation, so that doesnt seem to be so mythical
[01:46] <Riddell> Hobbsee: how come you're going to work then?
[01:46] <Hobbsee> hehe - i knew that would come up the minute i hit enter...
[01:47] <Hobbsee> no, i finished school a month or so ago, and am on a long holiday till university starts next year (in early march)...but i work as a checkout chick at a supermarket as well (just as a casual), which is fun :)
[01:48] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: your new kbiff includes a debian/ dir in the .orig, are you sure that's from upstream?
[01:48] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, yeah it is... it's weird I know
[01:49] <seth_k|lappy> I can even check again if you like, but I remember noticing that
[01:49] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: fair enough then
[01:50] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, yep, definitely there in upstream.
[02:27] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: hmm, error on krecipes
[02:27] <Riddell> docbook2x-man debian/krecipes.1.docbook
[02:27] <Riddell> I/O error : Attempt to load network entity http://docbook2x.sf.net/latest/xslt/man/docbook.xsl
[02:28] <Riddell> error
[02:28] <Riddell> which is weird since that man page and it's build rule is exactly the same as before
[02:35] <seth_k|lappy> :S
[02:35] <seth_k|lappy> and that file definitely exists
[02:36] <seth_k|lappy> could it have been a network hiccup?
[02:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning briquolo, Raphink is gonna test on dapper
[02:39] <Riddell> cool
[02:39] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: doesn't seem to want to work for me
[02:40] <Tonio_> going to bed now....
[02:40] <Tonio_> 'night all
[02:40] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, doesn't compile for you personally either?
[02:41] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: no, does it compile for you?
[02:41] <Riddell> I'll try in a pbuilder
[02:41] <seth_k|lappy> It did once; I installed it and everything
[02:41] <seth_k|lappy> let me try again
[02:41] <seth_k|lappy> if it doesn't this time, maybe it's sourceforge's fault
[02:42] <seth_k|lappy> b/c I didn't touch the docbook file, as you noted
[02:47] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: working in a pbuilder
[02:47] <Riddell> so I think I'll risk an upload :)
[02:49] <seth_k|lappy> hehe
[02:49] <seth_k|lappy> works in my pbuilder too
[02:51] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: keep an eye on the build logs to see if they compile and if they do contact the debian maintainers
[02:52] <seth_k|lappy> to let them know we packaged a new version?
[02:52] <Riddell> yes
[02:52] <Riddell> I'm off to bed
[02:53] <seth_k|lappy> alright, good night :)
[02:53] <Riddell> thanks for your packages :)
[02:54] <seth_k|lappy> I'm glad I actually know enough to help out now
[02:54] <seth_k|lappy> instead of just asking questions
[02:54] <seth_k|lappy> hum, there is no krecipes package
[02:54] <seth_k|lappy> in debian that is
[03:48] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, krecipes built fine, except on i386, where it gave a wacky error before ever beginning to build (it couldn't set up the build environment. May need to re-poke to make sure it goes through.)
[03:48] <crimsun> seth_k|lappy: i386 buildds are wonky
[03:48] <seth_k|lappy> ah, alright :)
[03:48] <seth_k|lappy> thanks crimsun
[03:48] <crimsun> known issue, will be fixed last I checked
[10:43] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ping
[01:07] <flosoft> hey
[05:15] <mornfall> Riddell: (in other words, the dependency list works and i find it good :)
[05:15] <Riddell> awooga, got a screenshot?
[05:16] <mornfall> in a minute :)
[05:29] <mornfall> Riddell: http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/adept-depends.png
[05:30] <mornfall> Riddell: (i know, the overal layout is somewhat crude... the thing is the list)
[05:30] <mornfall> wow
[05:32] <Riddell> mornfall: nice but where does it say depends or recommends etc?
[05:32] <mornfall> Riddell: i am not sure yet how to do this, so i didn't
[05:33] <mornfall> Riddell: adding it to list or making tabs
[05:33] <mornfall> Riddell: i'll probably add labels to list
[05:34] <Riddell> it could do with a qlistitem that's just a big bold "Depends", but I don't know if qlistview can do that without it being in the tree
[05:34] <mornfall> Riddell: i can do lots of things to listviews ;-)
[05:35] <Riddell> yes, you seem to be the master of getting listviews to do good things :)
[09:03] <amu> mornfall: ping, where i can get your latest code?
[09:03] <mornfall> amu: it should be in svn, why?
[09:03] <amu> time for testing it ;)
[09:04] <amu> remember, you requested a test?!?
[09:05] <mornfall> amu: oh, i ment the kubuntu version
[09:05] <mornfall> meant*
[09:06] <amu> sure :) i do not test redhat software *g*
[09:06] <mornfall> amu: anyhow, Riddell tested it in the meantime i think
[09:06] <amu> also for ppc ?
[09:06] <mornfall> amu: for ppc, that was the point of the test :)
[09:06] <amu> mornfall: :) good morning
[09:07] <mornfall> what?
[09:08] <amu> hhehe, that's maybe special, means something like, you just awake, you have to sort your minds
[09:09] <mornfall> i figured that... i just don't know what i am/was missing
[09:11] <amu> yeah ppc isnt well supported, installed this weekend the new opensuse *g* except wireless everything works
[10:21] <mornfall> Riddell: ping
[10:22] <mornfall> Riddell: what chances are i could have a spinner (throbber) graphic for adept? :D
[10:25] <Knowerrors> Just upgraded to kde 3.5 on breezy, got one problem that no one in the regular chat can solve http://www.kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=2088.0 , can someone help please?
[11:00] <Riddell> mornfall: yo
[11:00] <Riddell> mornfall: use the konqueror one?
[11:10] <mornfall> Riddell: i am not completely sure about that
[11:10] <mornfall> Riddell: i would maybe prefer something more fitting :)
[11:11] <mornfall> Riddell: (on the other hand, i'm not completely sure i want to add it either)
[11:14] <Riddell> mornfall: it's a KAnimWidget, but you want a custom graphic?
[11:14] <Riddell> it makes sense to be consistent with konqueror on it
[11:16] <mornfall> Riddell: i was thinking a graphic related to packaging yes... just a semi-wild idea, really
[11:19] <Riddell> I'm trying to remember who did the adept icon
[11:23] <Riddell> morning Hobbsee
[11:23] <Hobbsee> morning Riddell :)
[11:25] <Hobbsee> interesting interview, by the way - the one you put on kde.org
[11:26] <Riddell> you like it?
[11:26] <mornfall> Riddell: Tonio_?
[11:27] <Riddell> Tonio_: was it you did the adept icon?
[11:28] <Hobbsee> ROFL! - I've learnt not to do experimental testing on our family desktop, so that helps. :) - testing experimental stuff on a crucial machine is always fun!  Yes, i do like it to answer the question
[11:29] <mornfall> Riddell: i have mostly finished i18n-ing adept :)
[11:29] <mornfall> i should figure the konsole hiding thing and go to bed, i guess
[11:29] <Riddell> mornfall: ooh, libapt-front too?
[11:30] <mornfall> Riddell: not really, but then, there is maybe a dozen libapt-front strings... i have it mostly done, but i am too tired to fight autotools now
[11:31] <Riddell> yeah, flighting autotools takes all your strength
[11:31] <mornfall> Riddell: i have .pot-file though, it has 9 translatable strings in it (for libapt-front)
[11:32] <mornfall> Riddell: i have to think out if exceptions should be translated or not (and if i should or should not present their text to user)
[11:33] <Riddell> nah, just be like MacOS X and put a big "Code 0!" dialogue box that keeps popping up when you click OK so you can't exit the program
[11:36] <mornfall> har har
[11:36] <Tonio_> Riddell, mornfall, hi !
[11:37] <Riddell> yo Tonio_
[11:37] <Tonio_> I did the adept icon yes ;)
[11:37] <Tonio_> yop ;)
[11:37] <mornfall> ha i have good memory
[11:37] <Riddell> know anything about making animations? :)
[11:37] <mornfall> even if noone believes me :)
[11:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: didn't you remember ?
[11:37] <Tonio_> we finished the last details and colors together
[11:37] <Riddell> I've had lots of wine, but yes I do remember
[11:37] <mornfall> yarrr
[11:37] <Tonio_> hehe
[11:37] <mornfall> wine
[11:38] <mornfall> i could have some wine
[11:38] <mornfall> and then fall asleep
[11:38] <mornfall> coding is getting on my mind
[11:38] <mornfall> slowly and surely
[11:38] <Tonio_> mornfall: would like another icon ?
[11:39] <mornfall> Tonio_: i was thinking throbber (browser-style)
[11:39] <Riddell> Tonio_: probably the same icon, but animated
[11:39] <mornfall> Tonio_: just an idea tho
[11:39] <Tonio_> animated ?
[11:39] <Tonio_> hum do you have an example ?
[11:39] <Riddell> Tonio_: /usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/48x48/actions/kde.png
[11:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: I see and understand
[11:40] <Tonio_> maybe a closed box that would open and close
[11:40] <Tonio_> smoething like that ?
[11:40] <Riddell> yep
[11:40] <Tonio_> is it for the update announce in the systray ?
[11:41] <Riddell> no, but that's another idea :)  might get a bit tacky
[11:41] <Tonio_> could be simpathetic to have a moving icon in the systray
[11:41] <mornfall> Riddell: no systray animations please... it is plain annoying IMO
[11:42] <Riddell> I suspect I agree
[11:42] <Tonio_> but I can do a kind of png like this one right
[11:42] <Tonio_> what is it for in that case ?
[11:42] <Riddell> Tonio_: for adept
[11:42] <Tonio_> yes but in the application ?
[11:42] <Tonio_> inside I mean ?
[11:42] <Riddell> I think that's the idea
[11:42] <Riddell> yes
[11:43] <Tonio_> okay
[11:43] <Tonio_> so take the same icon that the actual one and try a little animation
[11:43] <Tonio_> 48*48 for the size
[11:43] <Tonio_> with an svg icon that shouldn't be long
[11:43] <Riddell> 48, 32, 22 and 16 size
[11:44] <Tonio_> no pb
[11:44] <Riddell> and it needs to repeat itself of course, so the end joins the start
[11:44] <Tonio_> I'l start workig on that tomorow
[11:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: of course, that's obvious
[11:45] <Tonio_> mornfall: I will start tomorow
[11:46] <Tonio_> It might take one to two days, I'll send that to you by email
[11:46] <mornfall> it's not in hurry
[11:46] <mornfall> i won't have time to implement it for the alpha anyway
[11:46] <mornfall> Tonio_: thanks :)
[11:46] <Tonio_> mornfall: you're welcome ;)
[11:56] <Tm_T> Riddell: what's that kdebase update?
[11:56] <Tm_T> some of its dependencies has changed?