[02:23] <bobweaver> hey there
[02:24] <ArTiSTiX> hey !
[02:24] <bobweaver> so when you do a modprobe what ever the mod look for the depens on p[art
[02:24] <bobweaver> I am sorry a modinfo
[02:24] <ArTiSTiX> which mod exactly ?
[02:25] <bobweaver> let me see a lsusb and a lspci -nn
[02:25] <ArTiSTiX> bluetooth depends on rfkill, and btusb on bluetooth
[02:25] <bobweaver> paste bin please that cool one that you know of
[02:26] <bobweaver> so are there other mods that are loaded that could be getting in the way?>
[02:26] <bobweaver> also let me see that bluetooth error in dmesg
[02:27] <ArTiSTiX> http://paste.ubuntu.com/632745/
[02:27] <bobweaver> rfkill unblock all
[02:27] <bobweaver> ERROR: modinfo: could not find module blueetooth
[02:28] <bobweaver> that is not good
[02:28] <bobweaver> modprobe blueetooth
[02:28] <ArTiSTiX> i did a unblock all
[02:28] <bobweaver> never mind typo
[02:28] <ArTiSTiX> but it leads nowhere
[02:29] <bobweaver> show me rfkill list all are they all unblocked ?
[02:30] <ArTiSTiX> http://paste.ubuntu.com/632748/
[02:30] <bobweaver> that is better
[02:31] <bobweaver> now the bluetooth
[02:31] <ArTiSTiX> the bluetooth ?
[02:31] <bobweaver> I have to find out the model # and I did not see it on lspci or lsusb do you know where it is ?
[02:32] <ArTiSTiX> i always had the bluetooth in rfkill
[02:32] <ArTiSTiX> how does it looks like ?
[02:33] <ArTiSTiX> the bluetooth adapter is the first entry of lsusb
[02:33] <bobweaver> ubutnu 10.10 or above?
[02:33] <ArTiSTiX> "Toshiba Corp"
[02:33] <bobweaver> thanks I must have missed I am talking to three people right now
[02:33] <ArTiSTiX> humhum... in fact this is not ubuntu... but fuduntu
[02:34] <ArTiSTiX> nobody from fedora wanted to help me (cause it's too close to ubuntu)
[02:34] <bobweaver> do you have bluz and installed and the python libs
[02:34] <ArTiSTiX> yep
[02:35] <ArTiSTiX> bluez, bluez-utils, etc...
[02:35] <bobweaver> sudo /etc/init.d/bluetooth restart
[02:35] <bobweaver> rhat happenes
[02:35] <ArTiSTiX> i added blueman, which tells "No Adaptor"
[02:35] <ArTiSTiX> and bluetooth restart doesn't notice any adapter
[02:36] <bobweaver> arghh
[02:36] <bobweaver> ok go though your lsmod and find all the ones that say bluetooth or have any thing to do with bluetooth DO NOT use grep
[02:36] <bobweaver> then pastebin that to me
[02:37] <ArTiSTiX> I already posted it before
[02:37] <ArTiSTiX> (with all the entries)
[02:38] <bobweaver> I dont have time to go through that my self you have to do it as I said I am talking to 3 people right now please dont take that the wrong way
[02:40] <ArTiSTiX> http://paste.ubuntu.com/632752/
[02:40] <ArTiSTiX> maybe it's related to my wireless chipset
[02:41] <bobweaver> could be
[02:41] <ArTiSTiX> it seems that it is used for both wlan and bluetooth
[02:41] <bobweaver> http://www.avidandrew.com/software/guides/27-bluetooth-support-for-toshiba-laptops-on-ubuntu
[02:42] <bobweaver> might help
[02:42] <ArTiSTiX> i have a NB 520, chipset : AR9285
[02:42] <ArTiSTiX> but according to ath9k, coexistence with buetooth is supported
[02:42] <bobweaver> modinfo rfcomm
[02:44] <ArTiSTiX> http://paste.ubuntu.com/632754/
[02:45] <bobweaver> modinfo bluetooth
[02:46] <bobweaver> there it is to many mods listed
[02:46] <ArTiSTiX> http://paste.ubuntu.com/632757/
[02:47] <bobweaver> need to black list rfcomm
[02:47] <bobweaver> or does rfkill use that
[02:47] <bobweaver> ?
[02:47] <bobweaver> no it does not
[02:48] <bobweaver> try that also try to black list btusb if you need to you can always pull them out of there or is the bluetooth black listed and that could be whats going on
[02:49] <ArTiSTiX> :/ it's been hours i'm trying to turning this sh** up
[02:49] <bobweaver> lol
[02:49] <bobweaver> yum ;)
[02:50] <ArTiSTiX> i did not understand.. why and how to blacklist btusb ?
[02:50] <bobweaver> becuase the mods could be getting in the way
[02:50]  * bobweaver fat finger s soory
[02:51] <ArTiSTiX> and how i do that ?
[02:52] <bobweaver> echo modname >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[02:52] <bobweaver> In ubutnu
[02:52] <bobweaver> Ubuntu
[02:52] <bobweaver> fat fingers
[02:52] <bobweaver> you could also use gedit
[02:52] <bobweaver> if you want to do it gui style
[02:53] <bobweaver> gediut /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[02:53] <ArTiSTiX> nono... vim
[02:53] <ArTiSTiX> and then ? reboot ?
[02:53] <bobweaver> vim works to and nano
[02:53] <bobweaver> yes
[02:53] <ArTiSTiX> i added only btusb
[02:53] <bobweaver> do you have a wireless usb in
[02:54] <ArTiSTiX> no usb is plugged... the internal bluetooth is considered as usb
[02:54] <bobweaver> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0bda:5801 Realtek Semiconductor Corp.
[02:55] <ArTiSTiX> ... maybe because it's the wlan chipset which do bluetooth too...
[02:55] <ArTiSTiX> what if i also blacklist ath9k to test bluetooth ?
[02:56] <bobweaver> you could try that
[02:56] <bobweaver> then get the compat wireless driver for your kernel
[02:56] <bobweaver> that has the patched ath9k for aireplay in it
[02:57] <bobweaver> dont know if you like aircrack or not
[02:58] <ArTiSTiX> no need... it's a home server
[02:58] <ArTiSTiX> it's connected with eth
[02:58] <bobweaver> oh
[02:58] <bobweaver> cool
[02:58] <bobweaver> what are you using blur tooth for phiosne?
[02:59] <ArTiSTiX> but i want bluetooth to connect a wiimote, use it as joystick
[02:59] <ArTiSTiX> and yes, maybe phones
[02:59] <bobweaver> got ya
[02:59] <bobweaver> brb
[02:59] <ArTiSTiX> ah ... after reboot... no more bluetooth at all
[03:00] <ArTiSTiX> (no bluetooth-applet)
[03:00] <bobweaver> its old but have you read this
[03:00] <bobweaver> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=836231
[03:01] <ArTiSTiX> yes, but without bluetooth, it said "No adapter found"... so i tried to find out why...
[03:02] <ArTiSTiX> and the fact was that my bluetooth adapter has never been up...
[03:04] <ArTiSTiX> i find fuduntu is more stable than ubuntu...
[03:04] <ArTiSTiX> but maybe the issue is solved with debian
[03:06] <bobweaver> I am at a loss on this one
[03:07] <bobweaver> umm anyone else want to jump in ?
[03:07] <bobweaver> it has to be firmware or mods or something I just cant put my finger on it
[03:08] <ArTiSTiX> i'm gonna give up
[03:08] <ArTiSTiX> what is strange is that the issue is recurrent with some adapter
[03:08] <ArTiSTiX> and nobody found any solution
[03:09] <ArTiSTiX> and the issue occurs with fedora, or debian/ubuntu, etc...
[03:09] <ArTiSTiX> can't find if it's due to drivers, mods, firmware or sth else
[03:11] <bobweaver> did you check launchpad and googlubuntu.com?
[03:12] <ArTiSTiX> i checked almost all google results about this timout issue...
[03:14] <ArTiSTiX> https://bbs.archlinux.de/viewtopic.php?id=19175
[03:14] <ArTiSTiX> this is typically the kind of post i found...
[03:26] <philipballew> how secure is vnc?
[03:27] <holstein> you want vnc over ssh
[03:27] <holstein> http://bobpeers.com/linux/vnc_ssh
[03:29] <philipballew> alright. I just reinstalled on my desktop so i need to se set up ssh
[03:29] <philipballew> gonna be a fun night!
[03:30] <holstein> :)
[03:34] <bobweaver> sounds like it will be
[03:36] <bobweaver> have fun with that
[03:36] <bobweaver> anyone here know chilli555 ?
[03:37] <bobweaver> from ubuntuforums
[03:37] <ArTiSTiX> bobweaver: i give up, that's all !
[03:38] <ArTiSTiX> i think this is a kernel, or bluez issue
[03:38] <ArTiSTiX> and i can't solve it alone
[03:38] <ArTiSTiX> i will hope someone will make a fix.
[03:39] <bobweaver> ArTiSTiX, good luck sorry I could not do more
[03:40] <ArTiSTiX> bobweaver: thanks for your help
[03:40] <ArTiSTiX> i think we can't do more...
[03:41] <bobweaver> ArTiSTiX, I am so busy tring to find people that know my mentor I am makeing a thread on ubuntu forums a little surprise for him
[03:42] <bobweaver> for his 10,000 post
[03:42] <ArTiSTiX> ^^
[06:09] <dr0pb3ar> I have a questions: I bought a new 500GB hard drive today and broght it home and reformatted it straight away as ext3 now when I try to put data onto it I get this " Error while copying. The folder "XXXX" cannot be copied because you do not have permissions to create it in the destination.
[06:09] <dr0pb3ar> I have a questions: I bought a new 500GB hard drive today and broght it home and reformatted it straight away as ext3 now when I try to put data onto it I get this " Error while copying. The folder "XXXX" cannot be copied because you do not have permissions to create it in the destination.
[06:09] <dr0pb3ar> any idea what to do here
[06:09] <dr0pb3ar> I have tried reformatting it a few times
[06:12] <semitones> how did you mount it?
[10:51] <Udonnome> hey guys is there an search option with apt-get?
[10:52] <tsimpson> Udonnome: no, but there is with apt-cache :)
[10:52] <Udonnome> ou,ok thank you
[11:39] <Udonnome> how to get codecs with apt-get,i mean whan name should i use
[11:40] <Udonnome> couse i cant play any video media :(
[11:42] <squaregoldfish> !codecs Udonnome
[11:42] <ubot2> Factoid 'codecs Udonnome' not found
[11:42] <squaregoldfish> Udonnome !codecs
[11:42] <squaregoldfish> !codecs
[11:42] <ubot2> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/musicvideophotos/C/video.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:42] <Udonnome> :O
[11:42] <squaregoldfish> Got there in the end!
[11:44] <Udonnome> yes i saw it,thank you
[11:44] <Udonnome> bashee is 130 mb and it dont have a single codec,who write thise apps
[11:44] <squaregoldfish> What format are you after?
[11:45] <Udonnome> all of them,i am looking for something like codec pack
[11:45] <squaregoldfish> The w32codecs package is probably a good place to start.
[11:46] <squaregoldfish> You may need to get it from the medibuntu repository.
[11:47] <Udonnome> is there any video player that has buily in codecs?
[11:47] <squaregoldfish> VLC plays pretty much everything.
[11:48] <Udonnome> does it have sub?
[11:48] <squaregoldfish> Don't know.
[11:48] <geirha> Udonnome: It does.
[11:48] <Udonnome> ok,will check it
[11:49] <Udonnome> oen more thing how do i uninstall something from the terminal
[11:49] <geirha> vlc and mplayer installs with codecs included, and they play virtually any movie file you can throw at them.
[11:49] <squaregoldfish> Most developers don't include codecs as they're shared across the system. Also there's distribution issues in many cases, particularly with the closed-source ones.
[11:49] <squaregoldfish> sudo apt-get remove <package>, or sudo apt-get purge <package>. The latter will also remove all config files.
[11:50] <Udonnome> thank you,again
[11:52] <geirha> To get codecs for the standard player, you can install the special package ubuntu-restricted-extras. It'll install extra codecs, and also som other non-free stuff like MS truetype fonts and adobe flah.
[11:52] <geirha> *adobe flash
[11:53] <Udonnome> i tryied with those codecs but banshee somehow dont use them,and dont wanna play anymedia :(
[11:53] <squaregoldfish> geirha: Didn't know there was a meta-package for that stuff. Very handy!
[11:54] <Udonnome> is there gomplayer for linux :)?
[11:55] <geirha> Never heard of it
[11:55] <Udonnome> it for win,but i use it from log time,and i was wondering :)
[11:59] <Udonnome> uh,wired vlc dont wanna run,and mlpayer is missing from the menu
[11:59] <geirha> mplayer is command-line. You need gnome-mplayer if you want a graphical one that'll also be available from the menu.
[12:00] <geirha> What do you mean by wired vlc?
[12:01] <Udonnome> i ment "wired,vlc dont wanna run" :)
[12:01] <geirha> Oh, "weird"? :)
[12:02] <Udonnome> ye,sorry for my english :(
[12:02] <Udonnome> now everything is fine with gnome-mplayer
[12:03] <Udonnome> and it has subs \o/
[12:03] <Udonnome> also can someone recomed me good mp3 player,amarok look like win media player,and i dont like it
[12:06] <geirha> !media
[12:06] <ubot2> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Audacious, Banshee, Listen, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, Exaile, XMMS2 (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine - See also !codecs
[12:07] <Udonnome> thank you
[12:08] <Udonnome> done,thank you alot guys
[12:08] <Udonnome> !torrent
[12:09] <ubot2> Torrent clients: Transmission (GTK and terminal-based), Deluge-Torrent, Freeloader, BitStormLite, BitTornado-GUI (GTK), KTorrent (KDE), QTorrent (Qt), Azureus (Java), TorrentFlux (web-based), bittornado, rTorrent, cTorrent, bittorrent, aria2 (terminal-based) - FAQ: http://www.bittorrent.com/FAQ.html - See also !P2P
[12:12] <geirha> Hm. That factoid needs updating. Azureus is called Vuze now.
[12:13] <geirha> If you run Ubuntu Desktop, Transmission will already be installed.
[12:13] <Udonnome> i have a little bit different ubuntu :)
[12:49] <Udonnome> !flash
[12:49] <ubot2> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - See also  !Restricted and !Gnash
[12:50] <Udonnome> pf :(
[13:17] <coalwater> i like using adobe square for flash, the flash in the repo was causing me some problems before, i dont know how good it is now, don't use it any more
[13:18] <coalwater> http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/square/
[13:21] <Udonnome> ok,will check it out,thank you :)
[13:22] <coalwater> u need to place the file manually in the mozilla plugins folder
[13:24] <coalwater> mine is located at /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins
[14:42] <Adidas> I have PHP 5.3, MySQL 5.1, and apache installed via apt get, but I keep getting ' Call to undefined function mysql_connect()'. Furthermore, when I check phpinfo() the mysql extensions do not show up? How do I get php to recognize the MySQL functions?
[15:10] <coalwater> u need to install php mysql extention i think
[15:11] <coalwater> Adidas, try doing apt-get install php5-mysql
[15:14] <Adidas> That got me past that error thanks
[15:46] <stolyn> hello people
[15:48] <coalwater> hi stolyn
[20:21] <erbun> afternoon everyone!  anyone have any experience with dhcp3?  I have tried to install it and while it created a dhcp3 direcvtory, it did not put any config files or such in it.  Only a fhclient-enter-hooks.d folder.  any thoughts?
[20:22] <holstein> erbun: maybe start with what you are tying to accomplish... are you making a router appliance?
[20:23] <geirha> Look for documentation in /usr/share/doc/package-name
[20:24] <erbun> holstein, trying to experiment with airbase-ng.  but just trying to follow the tut on ubuntus website also jus tto get it configured
[20:26] <holstein> erbun: feel free and link to the tutorial if you'd like some help with it
[20:26] <erbun> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/dhcp3-server
[20:27] <holstein> right, but thats for dhcp3
[20:27] <holstein> what about the bigger picture... why do you need dhcp?
[20:27] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/dhcp3-server looks pretty clear
[20:27] <holstein> whats the issue?
[20:28] <erbun> basically setting up a wireless AP on a wireless interface, so that when clients try to connect they get assigned an IP.
[20:29] <erbun> I have no config file located in the position stated by the tut.  I tried just creating one and was still unable to get the app to start
[20:30] <holstein> what app ??
[20:30] <holstein> airbase?
[20:31] <erbun> airbase starts fine.  but when I try to start the dhcp server on the opened interface, ato, thats where Im having problems.
[20:32] <holstein> erbun: what are the error messages?
[20:34] <erbun> Im following along to "Hacking Wireless Exposed" which tells me to start the server with the command "dhcpd3 -cf some other stuff here" but I am getting the error "no command dhcpd3 found
[20:34] <holstein> maybe its a typo
[20:35] <holstein> type in the terminal dhcp and hit tab
[20:35] <holstein> id need to read what the -cf flags do
[20:36] <stlsaint> or read the manpage on it
[20:37] <erbun> I may be an idiot.  I took the typo thing and removed the 3 from the command it appears to start working.  the -cf flags tell it which config file to load with.  I'm gonna play with it.  THanks for the help man!
[20:37] <erbun> can't believe i didnt think of that myself haha
[20:37] <holstein> Dhcpd can be made to use an alternate configuration file with the -cf flag
[20:38] <holstein> :)
[21:12] <erbun> holstein, just for info in case someone else stops in with the problem - dchpd3 was removed from Natty archive, and is replaced by a package isc-dhcp.  So it wasn't a typo, just outdateed dhcp server info.  thanks again
[21:12] <holstein> AH... good to know
[21:13] <holstein> im using lucid to, so what im finding locally was no help


[03:11] <let_me_in> sup
[05:59] <tumbleweed> Symmetria: something is broken on mirror.ac.za. Getting odd 403 and 404s
[06:05] <kbmonkey> thats no good tumbleweed :/
[06:05] <superfly> yeah, mirror.ac.za has been quite buggy of late
[06:13] <magespawn> morning all
[06:13] <superfly> hiya magespawn
[06:14] <magespawn> how are things on this fine monday morning?
[06:15] <kbmonkey> linux: be root. windows: re boot :D
[06:17] <superfly> You know, initially I didn't like takealot.com's design, but it's growing on me...
[06:17] <superfly> it's actually a tad easier to navigate than Take2's old site
[06:20] <magespawn> never really shopped at it that much
[06:20] <kbmonkey> oh so that is take2 redesigned? was wondering how I got on their mailing list
[06:21] <superfly> yup
[06:21] <superfly> take2 had a whole big "remake" of themselves
[06:22] <superfly> I can see their offices from my office, and their warehouse is just up the road from my office... it's really cool being able to just go and fetch my stuff instead of waiting for it to be delivered
[06:23] <kbmonkey> i like take2 too
[06:24] <kbmonkey> wow thats close superfly
[06:25] <superfly> kbmonkey: yep, very cool
[07:15] <magespawn> superfly if we ask you to get our stuff will it get to us quicker? maybe start a delivery service?
[07:18] <magespawn> that is meant as a joke.
[07:18] <DraZoro> Good Morning World!
[07:18] <magespawn> good day DraZoro
[07:18] <DraZoro> Hello magespawn
[07:22] <superfly> magespawn: hehehe
[07:23] <magespawn> we need a sarcasm/joke font.
[07:27]  * superfly goes to grab some tea before the next meeting
[07:38] <nuvolari> mornings o/
[07:59] <Kilos> morning superfly and others
[08:17] <kbmonkey> hallo nuvolari o/
[08:17] <Kilos> lo kbmonkey nuvolari
[08:17] <kbmonkey> huh, I placed an ad in gumtree for a free operating system, advertising ubuntu discs. they removed my ad. how rude.
[08:17] <Kilos> wow
[08:17] <Kilos> that sucks
[08:18] <kbmonkey> i think they have a policy against links in the text :p
[08:18] <Kilos> ah do it again and give your email address
[08:19] <Kilos> i think i gave a fone no. as well and got calls next day
[08:21] <kbmonkey> bbl, have to run some errands :D
[08:21] <Kilos> k
[09:24] <magespawn> back all.
[09:24] <magespawn> morning kilos
[09:24] <Kilos> hiya magespawn
[09:24] <magespawn> Kilos
[09:24] <Kilos> lol same thing
[09:25] <magespawn> i charge ppl for the actual disk but not for the download
[10:07] <nuvolari> morning oom Kilos
[10:07] <nuvolari> o wag
[10:07] <nuvolari> middag
[10:07] <nuvolari> :P
[10:08] <Kilos> lol
[11:00] <nuvolari> Kilos: hoe gaan dit vandag oom?
[11:01] <nuvolari> en het oom 'n lekker naweek gehad?
[11:01] <Kilos> dit gaan goed dankie seun en ja die naweek was nie sleg nie dankie
[13:19] <nlsthzn> Any wiki experts here? posting the IRC log of our recent meeting (ubuntu-ae) and the lines are to long... what would be the easiest way to make the lines wrap?
[13:31] <confluency> What wiki?
[13:31] <nlsthzn> ubuntu wiki... sorry
[13:31] <nlsthzn> confluency, ^^
[13:31] <confluency> Yes, but what is the wiki software?  Link?
[13:32] <nlsthzn> wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ae
[13:32] <confluency> I'm guessing the answer is either "don't paste it in a preformatted block" or "wrap it in a text editor before pasting it in a preformatted block".
[13:33] <nlsthzn> I pasted into edit and it is wrapping... but whan I copy paste from there it is again not wraped
[13:33] <nlsthzn> *gedit
[13:33] <confluency> I mean hard wrapping.
[13:34] <confluency> Most editors will display long lines as wrapped; that doesn't mean it's doing anything to them.
[13:34] <nlsthzn> by hard wrap you mean break each offending line manually?
[13:35] <confluency> What do you mean by "the lines are too long"?  Are they not wrapping in the browser, or do you just not like where they wrap?
[13:35] <confluency> You shouldn't need to wrap *manually*; I'm pretty sure there's a hard wrap option somewhere in teh editor.
[13:35] <nlsthzn> they are too long... so you have to scroll to the right in your browser to read them...
[13:36] <confluency> OK, then you are probably pasting them in such a way that they are becoming a preformatted block.
[13:36] <nlsthzn> confluency, will go look... had done it before, can't remember how :)
[13:36] <nlsthzn> thanks for the assistance :)
[13:36] <confluency> Do you *want* them to be a preformatted block, or do you not really care?
[13:37] <inetpro> nlsthzn: https://addons.mozilla.org/addons/previews/2351
[13:37] <confluency> nlsthzn: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpOnMoinWikiSyntax
[13:37] <inetpro> Toggle word wrapping and PRE element wrapping in the message composition and HTML display windows, respectively.
[13:38] <inetpro> but that will only help to read it in the browser
[13:38] <inetpro> without wrapping
[13:38] <confluency> Uh... that isn't going to help anyone else who is reading the wiki.
[13:38] <inetpro> confluency: true
[13:39] <confluency> nlsthzn: can you pastebin your page source?  It looks like you have to do an explicit {{{ }}} to suppress formatting, so I'm not sure what you're doing.
[13:40]  * inetpro off to a meeting... wbbl
[13:40] <nlsthzn> confluency, http://pastebin.com/ZEsHBBMt
[13:42] <confluency> Yeah, that's your problem -- you're putting it in an unformatted block.  Which also suppresses line wrapping.
[13:43] <confluency> Simplest solution: hard wrap in an editor.
[13:43] <nlsthzn> confluency, k, thanks... will try to get that done (shall fire up writer and see what options I have)
[13:44] <confluency> For maximum prettiness I would use tabs and indents, but that may get a little involved.
[13:46] <confluency> nlsthzn: fold -s yourfile.txt
[13:47] <confluency> Default width is 80; you can override it with -w.
[13:47] <confluency> -s makes it break at spaces instead of in the middle of words.
[13:47] <nlsthzn> confluency, awesome... should have known GNU would have this covered... thanks :D
[13:47] <nlsthzn> already man fold open :)
[13:53] <confluency> nlsthzn: also check out fmt.
[13:54] <confluency> fmt -t indents lines after the first differently at each split, which could make the logs more readable.
[13:56] <nlsthzn> confluency, with fold, it just dumps to stdout and doesn't effect the file it seems (which isn't an issue as i just copied from terminal)... or is it possible to write it to a file (man is vague and my terminal skills are non existant)
[13:56] <confluency> Yes, you need to redirect it somewhere.  It doesn't modify the file in-place.  GNU utilities seldom do.
[13:57] <confluency> > newfile
[13:57] <nlsthzn> that would use > then fold -s orignal.txt > new.txt ?
[13:58] <confluency> Yes.
[13:58] <nlsthzn> awesome, thanks... this is more than enough for the purpose of the wiki... cheers
[13:58] <confluency> No problem.
[14:53] <Kilos> good avy
[15:01] <nlsthzn> hate when I have song in my head and can't remember the name/artist
[15:01] <nlsthzn> song from SA, late 90's early 2000... think it was called sea level...
[15:01] <nlsthzn> "... got dust on my tekkies, a bump on my head..."
[15:01] <nlsthzn> :/
[15:02] <Kilos> lol
[15:02] <Kilos> there lotsa dust there. i seen pics of sandstorms
[15:02] <nlsthzn> that was lyrics from the song
[15:03] <Kilos> maybe one of the younger fellas will know
[15:04] <Kilos> my favourite times were 60's to 80's i think
[15:04] <Kilos> apart from no matter what
[15:04] <Kilos> that got me first time i heard it
[15:04] <nlsthzn> :)
[15:05] <Kilos> maybe the guys on #glug.za will know . there seem to be more jollers there
[15:09] <nlsthzn> hehe
[15:09] <nlsthzn> to many geeks in here for good music eh>
[15:09] <nlsthzn> ?
[15:09] <Vhata> what part of being a geek excludes you from listening to good music?
[15:12] <nlsthzn> notice the ?... it was a question... and a joke at the lack of response ;)
[15:14] <highvoltage> nlsthzn: I guess if anything, being a geek would cause someone to listen to a much wider variety of music.
[15:16] <nlsthzn> possibly... but I guess at the end of the day people have preferences and you listen to what you like :) No right or wrong answer to music
[15:17] <Vhata> I'd say there is definitely an objective measure that can tell you that some pieces of music are better than others
[15:17] <Vhata> music and maths go hand in hand
[15:17] <highvoltage> I tend to disagree and draw the line at music that's not in any way artistic. Like "Sokkiejol 2011 Volume 23" or things like that.
[15:18] <highvoltage> and I agree with Vhata :)
[15:18] <nlsthzn> Well, I like what I do... and it may be bad by any measure... not going to matter much to me
[15:19] <Vhata> relativist fallacy!
[15:20]  * nlsthzn has no idea how to respond to that so decides to fire up Banshee and listen to music he loves...
[15:21] <Kilos> lol
[15:22] <Kilos> and still no answer
[15:23] <Kilos> maybe the monkey will know
[15:23] <Kilos> be patient nlsthzn
[15:23] <nlsthzn> Tried Facebook... I doubt that the mathematical algorithm of the song is in harmony with ubuntu-za at this time of year...
[15:23] <nlsthzn> j/k :p
[15:23] <Kilos> or give a few more lines of the song
[15:24] <Kilos> lo highvoltage Vhata
[15:24]  * nlsthzn hates singing... very off key (or is that of key)... only time will tell...
[15:25] <Kilos> off is right
[15:25] <Kilos> not the one that also says money in my pocket and a tiger in my tank?
[15:26] <nlsthzn> thanks uncle Kilos ...
[15:26] <nlsthzn> no that isn't ringing any bells
[15:26] <Kilos> hehe
[15:26] <nlsthzn> ..." sea level, caught between the angels and the devil..." part of chorus...
[15:27] <nlsthzn> not to worry... seeing as I can't get anything on-line I doubt I will find a way to play it (via youtube etc.)
[15:28] <Vhata> Urban Creep - Sea Level
[15:29] <Vhata> somebody had the same problem as you: http://osprey.unisa.ac.za/phorum/read.php?260,94858
[15:29] <nlsthzn> Vhata, awesome... I actually looked into urban creep and it didn't seem right so I gave up... thanks, much appreciated!
[15:30] <Kilos> well done Vhata
[15:30] <Vhata> I just googled for:  "sea level" caught between the angels and the devil lyrics
[15:31] <Kilos> ah
[15:33] <nlsthzn> so did I :/ ... I tried various different variations... oh well I fail at Google
[15:34] <highvoltage> nlsthzn: I'm very bad at singing but that doesn't stop me.
[15:34] <nlsthzn> :)
[15:34] <nlsthzn> I feel sorry for those around me
[15:35] <highvoltage> oh it's one of those things that I only do in my car and in the shower.
[15:36] <Kilos> lol
[15:36] <nlsthzn> http://www.rockfest.co.za/fresh/mp3s/Jiving%20To%20The%20Weekend%20Beat/Urban%20Creep%20-%2010%20-%20Sea%20Level%20%28DEMO%29.mp3
[15:38] <Kilos> nlsthzn, how big is it
[15:38] <Kilos> and can you just go download it
[15:39] <nlsthzn> ah... it is only a demo (used for ringtones) about 1.3MB... not worth it if Net is capped...
[15:40] <Kilos> na get that song scroomba i think it was called it wipes other songs outa your mind
[15:40] <nlsthzn> eek
[15:41] <Kilos> lol especially kids
[15:44] <Kilos> what about de la rey nlsthzn
[15:44] <Kilos> you eek that too?
[15:45] <nlsthzn> well... I am not going to listen to it on purpose...
[15:46] <Kilos> lol
[15:51] <magespawn> good evening all
[15:51] <Kilos> hiya magespawn
[15:52] <nlsthzn> o/
[15:53] <magespawn> just reading about the music discussion earlier
[15:54] <Kilos> lol
[15:55] <magespawn> one is an opinion about what is good or bad and the other is a technical quantification.
[15:56] <magespawn> big words for this late in the day. anyway i am off home later all.
[15:56] <Kilos> cheers magespawn
[16:31] <nuvolari> whoot
[16:32] <nuvolari> today be a happy day
[16:32] <nuvolari> just 'cause
[16:32] <Kilos> lol what happened nuvolari
[16:32] <Kilos> good to see you happy at the end of the day
[16:32] <nuvolari> niks oom
[16:33] <nuvolari> ek het net 'n goeie gemoed
[16:33] <Kilos> hmm
[16:33] <Kilos> gaan jy  miskien n lotto wen of iets
[16:33] <nuvolari> nee oom
[16:33] <nuvolari> kan nie wen as ek nie speel nie :P
[16:33] <Kilos> lol
[16:34] <nuvolari> dink dis dalk oor ek uitsien na my helikopter
[16:34] <Kilos> lol gaan jy een van hulle koop?
[16:37] <nuvolari> ja oom! ek't gister uitgevind die een oom en sy seun vlieg en voer self in
[16:37] <Kilos> ah
[16:37] <Kilos> bietjie veiliger as n mountain bike
[16:37] <Kilos> skuus man
[16:38] <nuvolari> heh, ja dit is oom :P ek't my alie bietjie lelik gesien die eenkeer, maar ek begin nou weer fiks word
[16:38] <Kilos> mooi
[16:57] <nuvolari> oi dit was 'n lang dag!
[16:57] <Kilos> lol
[16:57] <nuvolari> dink ek moet vanaand vroeg  gaan inkruip
[16:58] <Kilos> goeie plan as jy moeg is
[18:16] <Chat5333> helo
[18:25] <Vhata> 250 #ubuntu-za


[00:01] <starcraftman> cjohnston: I'm thinking, not really fond of improv presentations. I guess I could just follow my forums post, alright I guess so. But ya owe me big time.
[00:01] <cjohnston> ill upload a beer to you
[00:01] <cjohnston> lol
[00:01] <cjohnston> you really dont have to
[00:01] <starcraftman> cjohnston: psssh, like that cake earlier.
[00:01] <cjohnston> I can always sing for an hour
[00:02] <_marx_> starcraftman, we'll try to pitch in along the way
[00:02] <starcraftman> cjohnston: oh great, drive em all away.
[00:02] <cjohnston> that was your job.. didnt you get Pendulum's email
[00:02] <paultag> What's going on?
[00:02] <Pendulum> starcraftman: what's your beer of choice?
[00:02] <cjohnston> paultag: starcraftman is gonna do it
[00:02]  * Pendulum is looking through the choices on beeroverip.org
[00:02] <paultag> OK
[00:02] <paultag> Feel free to cut me out anytime
[00:02] <Pendulum> (yes, that's a real website)
[00:03] <starcraftman> alright voice me, I'll try my best going by my guide
[00:03] <DiegoTc> hi
[00:03] <DiegoTc> cjohnston, has there been any problem
[00:03] <_marx_> so shrini you'll be on at your scheduled time
[00:03]  * pleia2 hugs starcraftman
[00:03] <pleia2> thank you :)
[00:03] <IdleOne> link to schedule?
[00:03]  * Pendulum also hugs starcraftman
[00:04]  * shrini to hugs
[00:04] <starcraftman> \0/
[00:04] <IdleOne> YAY! starcraftman
[00:04] <shrini> starcraftman: so great dude
[00:04] <IdleOne> I should of done it. I could of gotten all the hugs :)
[00:04] <paultag> ty starcraftman :)
[00:04] <pleia2> IdleOne: yep, sorry
[00:04] <IdleOne> haha
[00:05]  * shrini will give starcraftman a beer, when he comes to india
[00:06] <cjohnston> lol
[00:06] <cjohnston> thats awesome.. starcraftman come to florida.. at your cost.. ill buy you a beer
[00:06] <paultag> He's underage!
[00:06] <paultag> He's underage!
[00:06] <Pendulum> starcraftman: do you want questions throughout or will you call for questions?
[00:06] <IdleOne> that law doesn't apply to visiting foreigners
[00:06] <cjohnston> is he?
[00:06] <cjohnston> i didnt know bots had age
[00:07]  * shrini will give him atleat fruit juice
[00:08] <duanedesign> paultag: jolly good show :)
[00:08] <cjohnston> He is going to university.. so I he may be of age.. depending on where he may be in regards to the law
[00:08] <cjohnston> duanedesign: !
[00:08] <cjohnston> lol
[00:08] <paultag> duanedesign, :)
[00:08] <cjohnston> duanedesign: you atleast got planning time
[00:08] <cjohnston> lol
[00:08] <duanedesign> i mean good job paultag
[00:08] <duanedesign> cjohnston: yeah really
[00:08] <nhandler> Just to make sure, I'm up in ~2 hours, right?
[00:08] <pleia2> nhandler: yes
[00:09] <_marx_> yessir
[00:09] <nhandler> Great. That gives me time to go and get dinner
[00:10] <mhall119> how many of these sessions are going to be translatable to ubuntu-learning lessons?
[00:10] <cjohnston> however many you translate
[00:10] <mhall119> if starcraftman comes to florida, I'll feed him too
[00:10] <cjohnston> true.. starcraftman mhall119 makes good bbq
[00:11] <mhall119> which you missed today
[00:11] <mhall119> just sayin
[00:11] <mhall119> it was gooooood
[00:11] <cjohnston> i told you i would come over
[00:11] <duanedesign> ahhhhhhhhh, darn
[00:11] <duanedesign> im munching on trail mix. its  no bar-b-que
[00:11] <mhall119> you know, holding UUD classes for 12 hours is going to make open week and developer week seem short
[00:11] <mhall119> cjohnston, I told you you could
[00:11] <cjohnston> lmao
[00:12] <cjohnston> you said that you wouldnt open the door
[00:12] <mhall119> so?
[00:12] <cjohnston> was i supposed to sit on the porch stealing.. erhm borrowing wifi?
[00:13] <duanedesign> paultag: you are not in any of the 'usual places'
[00:14] <paultag> duanedesign, I /part'ed most to keep static down. I was managing my own questions, so I did a bit of window swaping
[00:14] <duanedesign> paultag: ahh. Yes i had to add extra aliases to keep up with the extra windows
[00:15] <duanedesign> there is no alt +11 key :)
[00:15] <paultag> :)
[00:15] <duanedesign> paultag: ever messed around with couchdb?
[00:15]  * cjohnston is in 35 channels right now?
[00:15] <paultag> I have not, but it sounds cool
[00:15]  * cjohnston is in 35 channels right now.
[00:16] <duanedesign> paultag: thats next on my radar. Have a heard time staying focused on projects, lol. I get excited about new things before i am done with old project
[00:16] <paultag> ahaha
[00:16] <paultag> I hear ya man, I hear ya
[00:20] <mhall119> cjohnston, you could have, if you remember my wifi password
[00:20] <pleia2> cjohnston: hang on to your inbox, making a change on all the logs pages because nhandler clued me in to a way to make them prettier ;)
[00:20] <cjohnston> i never got your wifi password
[00:20] <cjohnston> oh ya
[00:20] <cjohnston> {{{!IRC ?
[00:20] <pleia2> yep
[00:20] <mhall119> duanedesign, irssi?
[00:20] <cjohnston> lol
[00:21]  * cjohnston needs to turn his phone off as pleia2 is about to kill the battery
[00:21] <pleia2> lol
[00:21] <mhall119> cjohnston, by doing this?
[00:21] <cjohnston> by doing what?
[00:21] <mhall119> saying your nick
[00:21] <cjohnston> no
[00:21] <pleia2> emails
[00:21] <cjohnston> im not gonna tell you how
[00:21] <mhall119> I thought it was sending them to your phone still
[00:21] <cjohnston> pleia2: SHHHHHH
[00:21] <mhall119> lol
[00:21] <pleia2> haha
[00:21] <pleia2> sorry :)
[00:21] <cjohnston> mhall119: thats only when im away
[00:21] <cjohnston> theres 1
[00:22] <IdleOne> hehe starcraftman is picking up some Montreal english in his typing I see
[00:22] <IdleOne> push pick best
[00:22] <IdleOne> :)
[00:23] <paultag> pleia2, ty for pushing the log
[00:23] <paultag> pleia2, you rock :)
[00:23] <pleia2> paultag: sure thing
[00:23] <pleia2> thanks for doing the class!
[00:23] <paultag> Oh sure, np
[00:23] <paultag> I enjoyed it. Ran a bit short at the end
[00:23] <paultag> wish I had thought of more to include, or typed a bit slower
[00:23] <DiegoTc> how many classes are they missing??
[00:24] <duanedesign> mhall119: YES IRSSI
[00:24] <mhall119> duanedesign, Q through P is 11 through 20
[00:24] <mhall119> so, alt+Q gets you window 11
[00:24] <duanedesign> mhall119: sorry my notifications are messed up right now. I am a little slow getting back to people
[00:24] <duanedesign> mhall119: ooooooooohhhhhhh
[00:24] <duanedesign> :)
[00:25] <cjohnston> I had go get a script that allows me to control g, and then type the window number duanedesign mhall119
[00:25]  * mhall119 just open up a whole new world or irc possibility to duanedesign
[00:25] <duanedesign> cjohnston: i use an alias /1, /2, /3, ect
[00:26] <duanedesign> mhall119: lol
[00:26] <cjohnston> hitting control g clears the input line, and puts /ws in it and then i type the window number.. right now i have 43 windows
[00:26] <mhall119> cjohnston, /window # works
[00:26] <duanedesign> wow
[00:26] <mhall119> and I alias /w to /window
[00:26] <mhall119> so /w #
[00:27] <duanedesign> hmm. interesting
[00:28] <Pendulum> also /win # works by default in irssi
[00:29] <duanedesign> i got a cool function for my bashrc that i really like. its an extract function. I type 'ex file.tar.gz', 'ex file.zip', ect and  it extracts.
[00:29] <cjohnston> do your windows each have titles in the window bar or whatever its called at the bottom?
[00:29] <duanedesign> cjohnston: where the numbers are
[00:30] <duanedesign> [18:29] [duanedesign(+ei)] [6:freenode/#ubuntu-learn [Act: 1,3,5,7,8,9,10,11,12]
[00:30] <cjohnston> [1|(status)      2|#slicehost    3|#slicedtoast  4|#ubuntu-us-fl 5|#ubun~coteams 6|#ubuntu-us    7|#ubuntu~nners 8|#ubunt~s-team 9|#ub~launchpad 0|#ubu~ity-team q|#ubun~earning
[00:30] <duanedesign> ahh, fancy
[00:30] <duanedesign> i like it
[00:30] <duanedesign> i usually have to hit two or three channels before i find the right one
[00:31] <cjohnston> give me a minute... if you thought mhall119's tip was cool.. ill rock your world
[00:31] <cjohnston> http://people.ubuntu.com/~chrisjohnston/adv_windowlist.pl
[00:31] <duanedesign> the channels i am in all the time i try and keep them in the same number window
[00:31] <duanedesign> 2 is my loco, 3 is ubuntu-beginners
[00:31] <cjohnston> duanedesign: i do the same thing.. but, as i said, I have >30 channels
[00:31] <pleia2> oh hey, is someone pasting questions?
[00:31] <duanedesign> cool thanks cjohnston
[00:32] <duanedesign> pleia2: i can
[00:33] <cjohnston> duanedesign: its yours..
[00:33] <cjohnston> let me know when you load it duanedesign
[00:33] <cjohnston> (the script)
[00:34] <pleia2> ok, I think I got all the logs updated on the wiki
[00:34] <DiegoTc> hggdh, has there been any trouble?
[00:34] <cjohnston> i only got 2 emails
[00:34] <cjohnston> hmm
[00:35] <hggdh> DiegoTc: no, not at all (except for a few spams)
[00:35] <DiegoTc> haha normal
[00:35] <hggdh> si
[00:35] <cjohnston> duanedesign: http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/851/irssix.png   mine
[00:36] <cjohnston> pleia2: now 13  emails
[00:36] <pleia2> hehe
[00:36] <pleia2> you're welcome :D
[00:36] <cjohnston> thanks
[00:36] <cjohnston> mhall119: i know ill regret it later.. but pleia2 has direct access to my todo list :-x
[00:37] <duanedesign> cjohnston: does nicklist work well for you?
[00:37] <cjohnston> ys
[00:37] <pleia2> hey I've only sent one several line request to it so far :)
[00:37] <cjohnston> yes
[00:37] <cjohnston> i like it
[00:37] <cjohnston> hehe
[00:37] <IdleOne> starcraftman: is ready for Q's
[00:38] <cjohnston> duanedesign: took a little getting used to... I can't get the scrolling alias to work tho
[00:38] <DiegoTc> cjohnston, pleia2, Pendulum, hggdh can you enter to #ubuntu-charlas in 22 minutes
[00:38] <cjohnston> im already there
[00:38] <hggdh> DiegoTc: will do
[00:38] <cjohnston> remind us again tho
[00:38] <DiegoTc> we are going to conclude and give you the thanks for everything
[00:39] <hggdh> I am also there
[00:39] <pleia2> pero no hablo espanol!
[00:39] <cjohnston> yall are gonna make fun of me again for my poor spanish?
[00:39] <DiegoTc> don't worry
[00:39] <DiegoTc> you will be op and said your words
[00:39] <cjohnston> pleia2: i asked them for their telephone numbers earlier
[00:39] <DiegoTc> and i will transalte
[00:39] <DiegoTc> later i will take the mute to the channel
[00:39] <DiegoTc> so they can laugh of you
[00:40] <DiegoTc> cjohnston, don't do that again
[00:40] <cjohnston> why? they all laugh at me?
[00:40]  * Pendulum joins before she forgets
[00:40] <DiegoTc> that to us sounds you are gay :p
[00:40] <cjohnston> its what i know
[00:40] <cjohnston> for work
[00:40] <cjohnston> I could ask delor aqui? (sp?)
[00:40] <DiegoTc> delor??
[00:41] <cjohnston> dolor
[00:41] <cjohnston> nigel_nb: !
[00:41] <Pendulum> nigel_nb: hiya :)
[00:41] <cjohnston> DiegoTc: is that right?
[00:41]  * nigel_nb yawns
[00:41] <cjohnston> (pain)
[00:41] <DiegoTc> cjohnston, dolor aqui
[00:41] <nigel_nb> hows it going so far?
[00:41] <cjohnston> thats what i said
[00:41] <cjohnston> nigel_nb: horrible
[00:42] <cjohnston> every since you left
[00:42]  * duanedesign yawns
[00:42] <duanedesign> nigel_nb: its contagious
[00:42] <DiegoTc> means it mean you are hurt in a place
[00:42] <cjohnston> I know
[00:42] <nigel_nb> what happened to hellow?
[00:42] <cjohnston> nigel_nb: we believe his internet is dead
[00:43] <nigel_nb> oh!
[00:43] <nigel_nb> any other surprise moves? duane's session went well?
[00:46] <cjohnston> DiegoTc: what time?
[00:46] <DiegoTc> cjohnston, in 14 minutes
[00:46] <cjohnston> k
[00:46] <_marx_> nigel_nb, spam got bad for awhile
[00:47] <cjohnston> DiegoTc: do you want nigel_nb to join as well?
[00:47] <nigel_nb> oh
[00:47] <cjohnston> nigel_nb: get some good sleep?
[00:47] <DiegoTc> yes
[00:47] <cjohnston> spam is still going too
[00:47] <nigel_nb> cjohnston, yeah
[00:47] <cjohnston> nigel_nb: join #ubuntu-charlas please
[00:47] <DiegoTc>  i didn't write his name because he wasn't here
[00:47] <cjohnston> I know
[00:47] <cjohnston> thats why i asked
[00:49] <nigel_nb> cjohnston, what are we going to do in the spanish user day?
[00:50] <DiegoTc> guys ready
[00:50] <DiegoTc> you can enter
[00:50]  * shrini having coffee
[00:51] <DiegoTc> did i give voice to everyone
[00:51] <hggdh> guess so
[00:51] <nigel_nb> _marx_, ?
[00:51] <_marx_> yo
[00:52] <nigel_nb> i mean, DiegoTc - _marx_ ..
[00:52] <nigel_nb> ah, cool, you have voice
[00:53] <Pendulum> I'm in there :)
[00:54] <nigel_nb> cjohnston, is there a script for this?
[00:54] <cjohnston> for what
[00:54] <cjohnston> they basically said thank you to us
[00:54] <nigel_nb> the spanish thing, i have no clue whats going on there
[00:55] <DiegoTc> thow do i take the mute to the channel
[00:55] <DiegoTc> i forgot
[00:55] <DiegoTc> :(
[00:56] <DiegoTc> nigel_nb,  to take the mute of the channel which is the commad?
[00:56] <pleia2> /mode -m
[00:56] <pleia2> or cjohnston can do it
[00:56] <pleia2> hehe
[00:57] <Pendulum> cjohnston: haha
[00:57] <nigel_nb> ah
[00:58] <doctormo> cprofitt: It's an imsm controller
[00:58] <DiegoTc> thanks
[00:58] <cjohnston> Pendulum: pleia2 _marx_ nigel_nb are yall all trying to translate that? is that why you got so quiet?
[00:58] <hggdh> congrats to all that worked to pull this out. Very cool.
[00:58] <Pendulum> cjohnston: I didn't even bother :)
[00:58] <cjohnston> lol
[00:58] <pleia2> cjohnston: I am sure none of it was terribly insulting
[00:58] <pleia2> hehe
[00:59] <nigel_nb> no, my spanish is limited to gracious
[00:59] <cjohnston> Thanks for taking the time to participate in the first ever Ubuntu User Days! I hope that you enjoyed it and learned alot. I want to take this time to thank all of the instructors who took time out of their lives to provide you with some excellent material today. And a special thanks goes to DiegoTc and PabloRubianes for putting this day together. If anyone has any questions, comments or concerns about the User D
[00:59] <hggdh> er, nigel_nb gracious is English ;-)
[00:59] <cjohnston> google translate ftw
[00:59] <_marx_> i followed most of it
[00:59] <nigel_nb> hggdh, or watever is the spanish word for thanks
[00:59] <hggdh> gracias
[00:59] <mhall119> cjohnston, does that mean if I want you to do something, I should ask pleia2
[00:59] <nigel_nb> ah,that
[00:59] <DiegoTc> Gracias
[01:00] <_marx_> my vocabulary is weak due to lack of use
[01:00] <shrini> shall i start?
[01:00] <cjohnston> hold on shrini
[01:00] <nigel_nb> shall I do the intro?
[01:00] <shrini> cjohnston: :-)
[01:00] <pleia2> mhall119: haha
[01:00] <cjohnston> mhall119: yes
[01:00] <cjohnston> or your wife
[01:00] <DiegoTc> whoa
[01:00]  * DiegoTc is tired
[01:00] <mhall119> pleia2, I need my house painted, can you put it on his list?
[01:01] <pleia2> hehe
[01:01] <cprofitt> pleia2: is the day over?
[01:01] <cjohnston> shrini: its all you
[01:01] <nigel_nb> cprofitt, nope
[01:01] <pleia2> cprofitt: 2 more sessions
[01:01] <cjohnston> cprofitt: the spanish day is over
[01:01] <nigel_nb> cprofitt, 2 more hours
[01:01] <mhall119> dang cjohnston, only 8 classes short of a full day
[01:01] <cjohnston> heh
[01:02] <mhall119> "teachin round the world" next time
[01:02] <mhall119> though we're pretty international already
[01:02] <nigel_nb> yes we are
[01:02] <DiegoTc> haha
[01:02] <DiegoTc> :D
[01:03] <DiegoTc> guys i was having a crazy idea right now
[01:03] <DiegoTc> can it be posible to have the ubuntu-learning in spanish
[01:03] <nigel_nb> go ahead DiegoTc ;)
[01:03] <pleia2> absolutely
[01:03] <DiegoTc> actually same idea, but just make the translation
[01:03] <pleia2> we're using asciidocs to write courses, exporting to docbook
[01:03] <pleia2> so we can have translations :)
[01:03] <pleia2> haven't quite gotten that far though...
[01:04] <mhall119> speak of, anyone know how the spanish-language user day is going?
[01:04] <DiegoTc> well hope is not only a crazy idea i have
[01:04] <DiegoTc> but make it true
[01:04] <DiegoTc> :p
[01:04] <nigel_nb> mhall119, over just now! it rocked
[01:04] <mhall119> awesome
[01:04] <cjohnston> DiegoTc: get some people to come hang out in here, and we can help with translating stuff
[01:04] <DiegoTc> so when is the next ubuntu user day?
[01:05] <nigel_nb> not yet decided, but some time after lucid release
[01:06] <cjohnston> DiegoTc: we are waiting on feedback
[01:07] <DiegoTc> okay
[01:09] <nigel_nb> cjohnston, there is going to be a lot of interest at 10.04 launch, we could capitalize with a user days soon after that ;)
[01:09] <nigel_nb> there would be new users too!
[01:12] <DiegoTc> now i have to write about it
[01:13] <DiegoTc> cjohnston, should right the article in english and spanish like last time?
[01:13] <cjohnston> 6,400 seconds left!
[01:13] <pleia2> good thing, I'm beat :)
[01:13] <cjohnston> DiegoTc: you write somethin, ill repost it
[01:13] <nigel_nb> cjohnston, he's a member.  he can post now :)
[01:14] <DiegoTc> yeap
[01:14] <DiegoTc> since yestarday i post my first article :D
[01:14] <nigel_nb> guys, I wont be here for ending, gotta go to church.  I'll leave at start of next session
[01:15] <cjohnston> oh true
[01:15] <cjohnston> DiegoTc: its yours then
[01:15] <cjohnston> okie nigel_nb
[01:15] <DiegoTc> well but should be on both languages
[01:15] <DiegoTc> i think(soanish because it was a spanish event and englsh so people can read about it
[01:16] <starcraftman> well that's that, Hellow owe's me at least two beers now!
[01:16] <cjohnston> lol
[01:16] <cjohnston> thank you very much starcraftman !
[01:17] <Pendulum> starcraftman: thank you!
[01:17] <_marx_> you might have to wait a few years to collect
[01:17] <cjohnston> I'll buy you a drink if we ever meet
[01:17] <starcraftman> cjohnston: your welcome, I'm sorry it was a little disorganized.
[01:17] <cjohnston> dude
[01:17] <cjohnston> you did a class with like 5 minutes notice
[01:17] <_marx_> no great job starcraftman
[01:17] <cjohnston> i was about to sing
[01:17] <cjohnston> it had to be great
[01:17] <cjohnston> lol
[01:17] <nigel_nb> one day, we'll alll get together for dinner drinks like cjohnston said earlier ;)
[01:18] <cjohnston> nigel_nb: once you fly over here
[01:18] <starcraftman> nigel_nb: long as he's paying and I can get a nice big tab. :)
[01:18] <nigel_nb> cjohnston, I mite (for some UDS)
[01:18] <starcraftman> you are a lil far though cjohnston, I'm all way up north.
[01:18] <nigel_nb> a few years down the line though
[01:19] <nigel_nb> starcraftman, you mite melt if you go down there ;)
[01:19] <cjohnston> true
[01:19] <Pendulum> we can meet in the middle, wherever that is
[01:20] <nigel_nb> atlantic ocean?
[01:20] <nigel_nb> oh, the other middle
[01:20] <_marx_> hawaii
[01:20] <Pendulum> heh
[01:20] <nigel_nb> NY?
[01:32] <DiegoTc> cjohnston, link to your lp account
[01:32] <cjohnston> http://launchpad.net/~chrisjohnston
[01:34] <pleia2> ok everyone, next time we do 15 classes we're splitting them into 2 days :)
[01:34] <cjohnston> but then its not user DAY
[01:34] <cjohnston> :-P
[01:35] <cjohnston> maybe next time we should just split it up
[01:35] <cjohnston> heh
[01:35] <pleia2> we call it UserDays anyway!
[01:35] <cjohnston> cause if theres two user day sounds dumb
[01:35] <nigel_nb> pleia2, we just need to manage time better
[01:35] <hggdh> all you need is a 's' at the end, not so big a change
[01:35] <IdleOne> perhaps schedule breaks between classes
[01:35] <pleia2> nigel_nb: easy for you to say, you haven't been here for over 13 hours :)
[01:35] <nigel_nb> pleia2, neither have you
[01:36] <nigel_nb> you did take a nap ;)
[01:36] <cjohnston> ouch
[01:36] <pleia2> yeah, for an hour!
[01:36] <pleia2> we all took breaks :)
[01:36] <nigel_nb> oh.
[01:36] <Pendulum> I've been here pretty much all day
[01:36] <Pendulum> but I agree with pleia2
[01:36] <nigel_nb> but this way all TZ, some people could participate
[01:36]  * _marx_ did two loads of laundry!
[01:36] <pleia2> cjohnston: really, everything already says User Days
[01:36] <pleia2> even our logo :)
[01:36] <cjohnston> me too for the most part... except when i had to go put out fires (ironic the wording huh?)
[01:36] <cjohnston> pleia2: cause im going for gold in that we will have more than one
[01:37] <pleia2> yep
[01:37] <Pendulum> I think about 8 hours is a good limit in 1 day
[01:37] <nigel_nb> in that case, we'll split up, but start from the time we left off?
[01:37] <hggdh> having two (or more) user days does not mean they can start and end on different times
[01:37] <pleia2> metaphoric fires this time? :)
[01:37]  * _marx_ nods at Pendulum
[01:37] <hggdh> one can be set to UTC+, another to UTC-
[01:37] <cjohnston> I say we do quarterly... 1 and 3 over night and 2 and 4 during the day
[01:37] <Pendulum> that makes sense
[01:37] <cjohnston> 1 and 2 on the weekends and 3 and 4 on week days
[01:37] <nigel_nb> during the day for whom?
[01:38] <cjohnston> me
[01:38] <cjohnston> lol
[01:38] <pleia2> hehe
[01:38] <nigel_nb> hehe
[01:38] <Pendulum> or get people in the time zones where it's day for them to do the ones that you think of as "night" ;)
[01:38] <cjohnston> but i could also say you and still be accurate
[01:38] <nigel_nb> utc +/- would be good enuf
[01:39] <_marx_> 3 x 8 = 24: and bounce the management around to best hours as the day progresses
[01:40] <Pendulum> _marx_: +1
[01:40] <nigel_nb> +1
[01:41] <_marx_> like a factory working 3 shifts
[01:41] <nigel_nb> yes, that way mangement is easier
[01:41] <nigel_nb> not us getting glued for 14 hours
[01:42] <cjohnston> i vote next time we do 0000 UTC to 0000 UTC and nigel_nb host the whole thign!
[01:42] <starcraftman> nhandler: there for your session eh?
[01:42] <nigel_nb> cjohnston, I dont mind ;)
[01:43] <cjohnston> pleia2: email
[01:44] <nigel_nb> pleia2, wonderin, how do u get those logs into that format?
[01:44] <pleia2> cjohnston: that's good!
[01:44] <pleia2> nigel_nb: {{{#!IRC blah blah lots of lines of logs go here }}}
[01:44] <pleia2> you can view raw on one of the pages to see
[01:45] <nigel_nb> ah
[01:45] <nigel_nb> I thought u sed'd it
[01:49] <pleia2> oh no!
[01:49] <pleia2> from nhandler :
[01:49] <pleia2> Still at diner. Going to robably be late. Wont be more tan 30 min late. Sorry
[01:50] <nigel_nb> Oh no!
[01:50] <cjohnston> pleia2: you have to have something more than just that to say
[01:50] <nigel_nb> lol
[01:50] <pleia2> I do, it's called "I'm going to bed"
[01:51] <pleia2> heheh
[01:51]  * cjohnston needs his floors clean... im getting tired of my feet being dirty
[01:51] <cjohnston> are you?
[01:51] <pleia2> no :)
[01:51] <cjohnston> o
[01:51] <Pendulum> hah
[01:52] <cjohnston> hint from feedback:
[01:52] <cjohnston> If only _marx_ and starcraftman had had another hour each we could have learned so much more. starcraftman's session was totally awesome and if _marx_ had had another hour, it would have been just as awesome.
[01:52] <_marx_> well thanks cjohnston
[01:52] <pleia2> starcraftman technically *did* have another hour :)
[01:52] <cjohnston> i didnt say it
[01:52] <cjohnston> lol pleia2
[01:52] <pleia2> slave driver
[01:52] <pleia2> heheh
[01:53] <Pendulum> well we could give _marx_ another 1/2 hour it seems ;)
[01:53] <cjohnston> and as far as how often to have it:
[01:53] <pleia2> every weekend!
[01:53] <starcraftman> nhandler here?
[01:53] <cjohnston> Every other week.
[01:53] <pleia2> lol
[01:53] <_marx_> i noticed the spanish day had two cli sessions
[01:53] <cjohnston> (until I get it right!)
[01:53] <starcraftman> pleia2: -_-\
[01:53] <pleia2> starcraftman: he's going to be a bit late
[01:54] <cjohnston> two suggestions for every three months, and 1 for monthly
[01:54] <_marx_> i think two hours apart
[01:54] <cjohnston> so far only 4 surveys tho
[01:54] <cjohnston> pleia2: would you make any changes to my email?
[01:54] <mhall119> cjohnston, I missed almost every session but my own :(
[01:54] <pleia2> cjohnston: no, I say go with it :)
[01:55] <cjohnston> mhall119: i havent been 'paying attention' per se... i plan on just reading the logs
[01:55] <starcraftman> cjohnston: I think every month would be a lil much. 3 monhs would mean we could sync to release and halfway.
[01:55] <cprofitt> I think even every three months would be a bit much...
[01:56] <cprofitt> I would think every six months -- coupled with asychronous learning with the UCLP would be best.
[01:56] <cjohnston> one guy suggested we have mini nooooooob days once a month
[01:56] <_marx_> t -4
[01:56] <mhall119> I like six months
[01:56] <Pendulum> so what're we doing until nhandler shows?
[01:56] <cprofitt> mini-noob day would not be bad... but that should really be something we coach LoCos to do -- even if it is via IRC
[01:56] <starcraftman> _marx_: time to hear cjohnston sing?
[01:56] <cjohnston> sure
[01:56] <starcraftman> :)
[01:57] <cprofitt> we need filler?
[01:57] <mhall119> Pendulum, song and dance routine?
[01:57] <_marx_> omg!
[01:57] <starcraftman> lol
[01:57] <nigel_nb> suggestion about frequency... we could do next one after 3 months and sync with release
[01:57] <nigel_nb> cjohnston, we could take feed back on the rooom
[01:58] <Pendulum> feedback is a good idea :)
[01:58] <starcraftman> ya, do make sure to tell room about poll, maybe use that as filler to buy a bit of time.
[01:58] <Pendulum> well and ask for any other feedback right now
[01:58] <_marx_> nigel_nb, +1
[01:59] <nigel_nb> _marx_, lol +1 for which one?
[01:59] <_marx_> feedback
[01:59] <nigel_nb> ah
[01:59] <_marx_> as filler
[02:00] <cjohnston> are we in dead space?
[02:00] <pleia2> yes
[02:00] <cjohnston> -m classroom and let people talk to us in there?
[02:00] <pleia2> we can take it to -chat
[02:01] <pleia2> don't want to log all the chatter, I don't think
[02:01] <cjohnston> ask beg plead for people to fill out the survey
[02:01] <cjohnston> that works too
[02:01] <Pendulum> see, I'll beg, I'm shameless :P
[02:02] <DiegoTc> hey guys http://blog.diegoturcios.net16.net/?p=372
[02:03] <mhall119> I think having a user day about a month after each release would be good, it can cover new apps or features in the release, and it's also a time when we're likely to have more new users than usual
[02:03] <nigel_nb> exactly!
[02:03] <mhall119> if it catches on, maybe links to the next user day can be added to the release download pages
[02:04] <mhall119> but if nothing else, we can all spam message boards, slashdot and the like when they announce the new release, to draw in potential new users
[02:04] <cprofitt> perhaps work with the loco teams to help them advert for us
[02:04] <nigel_nb> yes, that too!
[02:05] <cprofitt> if this is more 'global' in scope next time I really think allowing them to participate would be incredibly important
[02:06] <cprofitt> pleia2: do you have a minute for another subject?
[02:06] <pleia2> cprofitt: sure
[02:08] <starcraftman> well later folks, I'm going to relax and game a bit on 7.
[02:09] <cjohnston> thank you so much starcraftman !
[02:09] <starcraftman> still around on my ntbk but won't be checking too often. Great day guys. :)
[02:09] <cjohnston> dont ping starcraft-ntbk
[02:09] <cjohnston> hehehehe
[02:10] <nigel_nb> okay, so the offcial hash tag for UUD is #UUDJan10.. okay with you folks?
[02:10] <nigel_nb> UUD<month><year>
[02:11] <cjohnston> how far behind is nhandler
[02:11] <nigel_nb> cjohnston, pleia2, _marx_ , Pendulum ^
[02:11] <Pendulum> sounds good
[02:11] <cjohnston> I say just do #userdays  never changing always the same
[02:11] <_marx_> yes seems reasonable to me
[02:11] <cjohnston> but i dunno anything
[02:11] <cjohnston> so
[02:11] <Pendulum> cjohnston: probably not specific enough
[02:11] <pleia2> cjohnston: his email said he'd not be more than a half hour late
[02:11] <cjohnston> UUD is?
[02:11] <cjohnston> holy crap
[02:12]  * mhall119 is so tired he can't see straight, going to bed
[02:12] <cjohnston> ok..
[02:12] <nigel_nb> ubuntu user days
[02:12] <cjohnston> gnite mike
[02:12] <mhall119> talk to you later cjohnston, you did an awesome job today, all of you did
[02:12] <cjohnston> thanks mike.. you too
[02:12] <_marx_> seeya mhall119
[02:13] <nigel_nb> cya mhall119 .  you guys did a great job out there too!
[02:13] <nigel_nb> cjohnston, remember to put hashtags into the wiki ;)
[02:14] <cjohnston> note to self.. tell nigel_nb to put hastags into the wiki
[02:14] <Pendulum> mhall119: great job!
[02:14] <nigel_nb> that works too
[02:14] <cjohnston> pleia2: can you put that on my todo list
[02:14] <cjohnston> lol
[02:14] <_marx_> cjohnston, seconds?
[02:14] <cjohnston> 2700
[02:15] <pleia2> nigel_nb: we can talk in -chat :)
[02:15] <pleia2> no need to reply in -classroom for this bit
[02:17] <nigel_nb> pleia2, just replying in classroom for the important bits I want everyone to see
[02:18] <cjohnston> sudo rm nigel_nb    ?
[02:18] <cjohnston> :-P
[02:18] <nigel_nb> cjohnston, edited wiki, make further changes
[02:18] <nigel_nb> no need of sudo for that ;)
[02:19] <nigel_nb> should we start with an intro of what nhandler is supposed to give ?
[02:19] <nigel_nb> that way he has more time to actually *take* the session
[02:19] <cjohnston> so that is why my phone is going off
[02:20] <nigel_nb> *evil grin* now we know what to do when *we're* bored
[02:20] <pleia2> I didn't do it!
[02:20] <nigel_nb> lol
[02:21] <nhandler> Sorry I'm late
[02:21] <pleia2> yay nhandler!
[02:21] <nigel_nb> yaay!
[02:23] <nigel_nb> nhandler, take over
[02:23] <nhandler> :)
[02:23] <_marx_> dang wrong nick!
[02:24] <nigel_nb> w00t, so finally the last lession
[02:24] <nigel_nb> I guess you guys are already dreaming about bed
[02:25] <cjohnston> im dreaming about having my todo list cleared
[02:25] <nigel_nb> I'm dreamin about a wild bike ride through the city... I'm late ;)
[02:28] <nigel_nb> brb
[02:44] <nigel_nb> pleia2, I'm heading out
[02:44] <cjohnston> g'nite again nigel_nb
[02:44] <nigel_nb> thanks all you guys for the wonderful day today
[02:44] <Pendulum> nigel_nb: have a good day :)
[02:44] <nigel_nb> cjohnston, more like good morning
[02:44] <cjohnston> 913 seconds everyone!
[02:44] <cjohnston> nigel_nb: whatever
[02:44] <_marx_> see ya nigel_nb
[02:45] <pleia2> night nigel_nb
[02:45] <nigel_nb> good night all you guys
[02:46] <nigel_nb> We did some real good team work today.  Thanks pleia2 , Pendulum , _marx_ cjohnston, DiegoTc , hggdh :)
[02:46] <pleia2> thanks nigel_nb! :)
[02:46] <DiegoTc> thanks nigel_nb
[02:46] <Pendulum> thanks nigel_nb!
[02:46] <hggdh> have a good one, nigel_nb
[02:47] <_marx_> thanks nigel_nb be safe on that bike!
[02:47] <nigel_nb> hehe
[02:47] <DiegoTc> well guys I am leaving also
[02:47] <cjohnston> Thanks DiegoTc !!
[02:47] <nigel_nb> DiegoTc, thanks for the wonderful time on spanish UUD
[02:47] <DiegoTc> I have to go watch a soccer game :D
[02:47] <DiegoTc> USA vs Honduras
[02:47] <DiegoTc> :D
[02:47] <cjohnston> Go USA!
[02:47] <cjohnston> :-P
[02:47] <pleia2> lol
[02:47] <DiegoTc> USA is losing :p
[02:47] <DiegoTc> 0-2
[02:47] <cjohnston> uggh
[02:47] <pleia2> yeah, we fail at soccer
[02:47] <cjohnston> true
[02:48] <DiegoTc> pleia2, not really
[02:48] <pleia2> DiegoTc: tonight we do!
[02:48] <DiegoTc> you have great team
[02:48] <DiegoTc> well you are playing with Team B
[02:48] <pleia2> ah
[02:48] <DiegoTc> like us Team B
[02:48] <DiegoTc> but team A of USA is a really great team
[02:49] <DiegoTc> cjohnston, pleia2, hggdh http://blog.diegoturcios.net16.net/?p=372
[02:49] <DiegoTc> its on english :D
[02:49] <hggdh> yeeee
[02:50] <pleia2> DiegoTc: hooray!
[02:51] <DiegoTc> i think i have some mistakes, pero lo k importa es la intencion
[02:51] <DiegoTc> :
[02:51] <DiegoTc> :D
[02:51] <IdleOne> heh lo k
[02:52] <_marx_> de veras
[02:54] <cjohnston> awesome DiegoTc !
[02:57] <IdleOne> great post! happy -charlas had a good number of people join
[03:01] <cjohnston> we are done?
[03:01] <cjohnston> huh what?
[03:02] <cjohnston> i guess not
[03:02] <Pendulum> well do you want to cut him off?
[03:03] <IdleOne> I think the spanish user days is done
[03:03] <Pendulum> spanish is done
[03:04] <Pendulum> we were supposed to be done by now
[03:04] <cjohnston> IdleOne: spanish has been done for a while
[03:04] <cjohnston> ill let him keep going for a few
[03:04] <cjohnston> nhandler: how much longer?
[03:04] <IdleOne> well he did start late
[03:04] <nhandler> cjohnston: I can go however long you want. Do you want me to go an hour? If not, I can end sooner
[03:04] <cjohnston> pleia2: ?
[03:05] <pleia2> nhandler: take as long as you need
[03:05] <cjohnston> check
[03:05] <cjohnston> go for it mr nhandler
[03:19] <pleia2> nhandler: we can put an arbitrary end time of :30 if you want a place to wrap up
[03:19] <pleia2> (so 11 minutes from now)
[03:19] <cjohnston> uggh
[03:19] <nhandler> Sounds good
[03:19] <Pendulum> cjohnston: you're back!
[03:20] <cjohnston> I think pleia2 worked my server to dead.. the whole thing was kaput
[03:20] <cjohnston> I had to restart it
[03:20] <pleia2> what!
[03:20] <pleia2> hehe
[03:27] <Pendulum> cjohnston: so what's the seconds count now? ;)
[03:27] <cjohnston> + something?
[03:27] <Pendulum> heh
[03:27] <_marx_> +1800
[03:28] <doctormo> pleia2: It turns out that the raid I was dealing with was RAID0, so the data was lost anyway.
[03:28] <pleia2> doctormo: ouch :(
[03:28] <doctormo> Ah well you try your best :-)
[03:28]  * pleia2 nods
[03:28] <nhandler> Someone want to conclude User Day? Or am I meant to?
[03:28] <pleia2> raid0 is lovely fast, until it speeds into a brick wall and everyone dies
[03:29] <Pendulum> cjohnston: I think that should be you
[03:29] <doctormo> pleia2: Is that what it's for? speeding things up?
[03:29] <pleia2> doctormo: yeah
[03:29] <pleia2> striping is fast
[03:29] <Pendulum> or pleia2 can do it :)
[03:29] <doctormo> *roll eyes*
[03:29] <doctormo> Double the surface area for failure.
[03:31] <Pendulum> oops... after 14 hours I apparently can't type anymore ;)
[03:35] <pleia2> phew!
[03:35]  * pleia2 hugs all around
[03:35] <cjohnston> wow
[03:36] <cjohnston> we did it
[03:36] <cjohnston> thank you very much everyone!
[03:36] <Pendulum> thank you!
[03:36] <shrini> cjohnston: thanks a lot
[03:36] <shrini> great experience for me
[03:36] <cjohnston> You may all go about your lives now!
[03:36] <cjohnston> lol
[03:36] <shrini> proud to be with you
[03:36] <pleia2> hehe
[03:36] <hggdh> good work all y'all. And I am off.
[03:36] <Pendulum> cjohnston: what lives?
[03:36] <pleia2> Pendulum: yeah, look how we all just spent a saturday :)
[03:36] <pleia2> doh!
[03:36] <cjohnston> Pendulum: you will have your new assignment monday
[03:37] <cjohnston> :-P
[03:37] <pleia2> haha
[03:37] <cjohnston> that was what i meant by life
[03:37] <Pendulum> cjohnston: I'm not even sure if you're joking about that :P
[03:37] <cjohnston> hehehe
[03:37] <cjohnston> 18 surveys
[03:37]  * _marx_ slides cjohnston a cold one
[03:37] <pleia2> cool
[03:37] <pleia2> that's a great turnout for surveys
[03:38] <_marx_> drinks all around y'all
[03:39] <_marx_> overall i think it went really well
[03:39] <Pendulum> general feedback I've gotten in PMs from people is that it was really good
[03:42] <jcastro> woo, looks like it was a great success!
[03:42] <cjohnston> :-)
[03:42] <cjohnston> thanks jcastro
[03:43] <jcastro> pleia2: I am rubbing my chin wondering if instead of one long openweek if having 5 seperate days spread over the cycle might be worth trying to shake it up
[03:43] <cjohnston> I hope some of the lernid issues can get fixed real quick prior to monday
[03:43] <cjohnston> lol
[03:43] <jcastro> yeah I left my lernid running when I went out, now there's like<PHONE_NUMBER> popup windows when I came home
[03:44] <_marx_> the colon thing could be a big hassle
[03:44] <pleia2> jcastro: perhaps, my only concern there is publicity, it's easy to get people excited for UOW twice a year, but more than that?
[03:44] <pleia2> well, not "easy" :) but possible
[03:44] <jcastro> yeah
[03:44] <cjohnston> good point
[03:45] <jcastro> but I don't want to think about it /too/ much, we'll end up having to do both, hah
[03:45] <pleia2> hehe
[03:45] <cjohnston> lol
[03:46] <Pendulum> well there seems to be calls for 4 User Days a year so I wonder if there's some middle ground there that can be done
[03:47] <_marx_> 2+4=6/2=3
[03:47] <_marx_> doesn't fit well with release cycles
[03:48] <cjohnston> I kinda think 4 would be good... shorter day tho..
[03:48] <Pendulum> 4 and shorter day is good
[03:48] <pleia2> yeah
[03:48] <Pendulum> I"m just wondering if maybe having the 2nd in a release cycle as a bit more advanced or something?
[03:48] <_marx_> definitely shorter day
[03:49] <cjohnston> only concern tho is the complaints about getting everyone
[03:49] <cjohnston> that could be interesteing penny
[03:49] <_marx_> yeah, +1 Pendulum
[03:49] <Pendulum> I think we find another set of people on the opposite side of the glob
[03:49] <Pendulum> *globe
[03:49] <cjohnston> and Pendulum can stay up all night to be in charge
[03:49] <Pendulum> so they can run a set and we can run a set
[03:49] <pleia2> lol
[03:49] <Pendulum> hah
[03:50] <Pendulum> cjohnston: you going to pay for me to take the time off work? ;)
[03:50] <shrini> cjohnston: i love these works
[03:50] <shrini> cjohnston: contact me anytime for any help
[03:50] <cjohnston> thank you shrini
[03:50] <shrini> wondering about this teamwork
[03:51] <shrini> this is my first time activity
[03:51] <shrini> so so so happy
[03:51] <cjohnston> shrini: me too
[03:51] <cjohnston> as pleia2 said to me earlier.. there were some tense moments early on.. but it all worked out
[03:51] <shrini> :-)
[03:51] <Pendulum> it's all a learning process
[03:52] <pleia2> we were very fortunate to have two people who were willing to step up at last minute :)
[03:52] <cjohnston> 1 poor rating for the whole day
[03:52] <cjohnston> i guess thats not bad
[03:52] <cjohnston> pleia2: very true
[03:52] <pleia2> next time we should probably have some backups lined up
[03:52] <Pendulum> cjohnston: that's really not bad
[03:52] <doctormo> Wow what a lot of chatter today... I want this group to be like this every day! :-D
[03:52] <_marx_> yes indeed pleia2
[03:52] <cjohnston> doctormo: thats cause we are all about to go away for a week
[03:52] <cjohnston> lol
[03:52] <Pendulum> doctormo: next time you can organize and run the 14 hour event :P
[03:52] <pleia2> lol
[03:53] <doctormo> Pendulum: I'm more of a 3 hour event every week for 2 years kind of guy
[03:53] <cjohnston> 100% would recommend
[03:53] <pleia2> Pendulum: which ended up being 15.5!
[03:53] <cjohnston> not supprised there tho
[03:53] <Pendulum> pleia2: yeah
[03:54] <Pendulum> okay, I will probably be back in a little bit, but I need to attempt some pain control.
[03:54] <Pendulum> if I don't catch y'all later, have a good night!
[03:54] <cjohnston> ill try over the next few days to put all of the feedback stuff out to everyone
[03:54] <Pendulum> and congrats to everyone, we did a great job!
[03:54] <IdleOne> night Pendulum
[03:54] <cjohnston> thanks Pendulum !
[03:54] <doctormo> pleia2: Perhaps we need to congratulate Pendulum for his very hard work?
[03:54] <doctormo> And everyone else of course
[03:54] <cjohnston> doctormo: her
[03:54] <doctormo> her*
[03:55] <pleia2> oh yes, thanks everyone! :)
[03:55] <doctormo> In a blog entry?*
[03:55] <pleia2> now we need to get to work turning these transcripts into -learning classes
[03:55] <pleia2> doctormo: did that already :)
[03:55] <pleia2> http://princessleia.com/journal/?p=2547
[03:55]  * pleia2 is fasty fast with the intarblagging tonight
[03:56] <cjohnston> you wrote it two weeks ago when you were supposed to be working on the intro :-P
[03:56] <pleia2> lol
[03:56] <pleia2> did not!
[03:56] <pleia2> I wrote it during nhandler's session :)
[03:56] <cjohnston> lol
[03:56] <cjohnston> thats why you were ignoring me
[03:56] <cjohnston> lol
[03:56] <pleia2> haha
[04:00] <shrini> pleia2: what is transcript?
[04:01] <shrini> pleia2: the chat we had. right?
[04:01] <pleia2> shrini: yes
[04:01] <shrini> what you do next with it?
[04:02] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/CourseLayout
[04:02] <pleia2> make them into that :)
[04:02]  * _marx_ out
[04:03] <pleia2> night _marx_
[04:04] <shrini> pleia2: great
[04:05] <shrini> pleia2: great work
[04:05] <pleia2> shrini: thanks for leading a class today! :)
[04:06] <shrini> pleia2: so happy to be with you guys
[04:06] <shrini> pleia2: you do wonderful things
[04:06] <pleia2> thanks :)
[04:06] <shrini> pleia2: just adding my bit
[04:06] <shrini> pleia2: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/CourseLayout this page says
[04:06] <shrini> pleia2: to send a ODF doc
[04:06] <cjohnston> shrini: please come back and help us out with things other than user days
[04:07] <shrini> pleia2: to whom i have to send?
[04:07] <shrini> cjohnston: sure dude. will be with you people always
[04:07] <pleia2> shrini: we're working to get everything into bzr, but for now... send it to me<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:07] <pleia2> and I'll help you take it from there :)
[04:07] <shrini> cjohnston: what are the things you do?
[04:08] <shrini> pleia2: thats great. your mail id?
[04:08] <pleia2> shrini<EMAIL_ADDRESS>:)
[04:08] <cjohnston> shrini: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom
[04:08] <shrini> pleia2: oh. thats great
[04:08]  * cjohnston wants<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:08] <shrini> pleia2: :-)
[04:09] <pleia2> ok folks, I think it's time for me to head afk for the evening
[04:09] <shrini> cjohnston: fine. will do my best
[04:09] <pleia2> awesome day! thanks again!
[04:09] <shrini> pleia2: thanks a lot
[04:09] <cjohnston> pleia2: im not done with you
[04:09] <cjohnston> :-P
[04:09] <pleia2> yes you are!
[04:09] <pleia2> I r teh sleepy
[04:09] <cjohnston> lol
[04:10] <cjohnston> im almost done with my todo list
[04:10] <cjohnston> lmao
[04:10] <pleia2> oh no! ;)
[04:10] <cjohnston> maybe thatll mean i have to work on the honey do list
[04:10] <pleia2> or paint mhall119's house
[04:10] <cjohnston> no
[04:10] <pleia2> oh ok
[04:10] <cjohnston> lol
[04:11] <shrini> okey friends
[04:11] <shrini> will send the doc asap
[04:49] <Pendulum> anyone else still up?
[04:51] <nhandler> o/
[04:56] <Pendulum> hiya nhandler
[04:56] <nhandler> Hey Pendulum
[04:57]  * nhandler is actually about to go to bed
[04:59] <Pendulum> so'm I
[04:59] <Pendulum> g'night
[06:13] <doctormo> night all
[12:53] <nigel_nb> wonder if cjohnston is around
[13:07] <nigel_nb> Pendulum, sent a list of suggestions to mailing list ;) read and enjoy
[13:35] <pleia2> should I just give up trying to make people use the proper mailing list? :)
[13:35] <pleia2> user days should use -classroom! :P
[13:36] <pleia2> oh well
[13:36] <Pendulum> where's the link for the classroom mailing list?
[13:37] <Pendulum> nm, found it
[13:37] <pleia2> :)
[13:37] <pleia2> it's confusing because -classroom (so, UUD) is a sub-project of learning
[13:39]  * Pendulum joins
[13:45] <Pendulum> it's also confusing becuase if you join the launchpad Classroom Team it says there's no mailing list
[13:47] <pleia2> yeah, launchpad is confusing like that
[13:47] <pleia2> since launchpad has mailing lists, but we don't use them
[13:47] <pleia2> we use the lists.ubuntu mailing lists
[13:48] <pleia2> so if you don't use the lp list, it says you don't have a list :\
[13:48] <Pendulum> there's no way to link the lists.ubuntu lists in?
[13:48] <pleia2> we can write a description for the team and link lists.ubuntu
[13:49] <Pendulum> ah
[13:49] <pleia2> until last night the ubuntu-classroom team was only for management, so it was assumed that people applying there were already involved
[13:49] <Pendulum> heh
[13:50] <Pendulum> what changed? (other than user days happening)
[13:50] <pleia2> seemed silly, I guess
[13:50] <pleia2> now the lp team *admins* are the mgmt
[13:51] <Pendulum> heh
[13:53] <Pendulum> completely unrelated question, but do you know if there's any loco in CT? (final decision on my moving is that I'm going to move back in with parents and get health sorted)
[13:53] <Pendulum> I thought I'd seen something at some point, but when I last checked nothing
[13:54] <pleia2> in theory there is
[13:54] <pleia2> but it seems dead
[13:55] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ConnecticutTeam
[13:55]  * Pendulum wonders if she's going to end up adding "reviving the CT LoCo" to her 9 month plan ;)
[13:55] <pleia2> nothing in 2009 :\
[13:55] <pleia2> hehe
[13:55] <pleia2> the massachusetts team is pretty active, maybe they can help
[13:56] <Pendulum> yeah, I figured I'd ask there. Sadly it's a bit far for me to drive to make their meetings otherwise I'd do that
[13:58]  * pleia2 nods
[13:58] <Pendulum> (although big events I might go to because Boston's not that far from where I am in CT, about 90minutes)
[13:59] <pleia2> yeah, for big events in harrisburg I make the trek out, but I don't for their regular meetings
[14:00] <Pendulum> *nods*
[14:00] <Pendulum> I wish I'd done more LoCo stuff when I was in PA
[14:00] <Pendulum> but the shyness thing gets me
[14:01] <pleia2> I sympathize completely
[14:01] <pleia2> why couldn't shyness be something I grew out of like other people do? :)
[14:02] <Pendulum> I actually had a few years of being less shy
[14:02] <Pendulum> and then it came back
[14:02] <Pendulum> and now I fake non-shyness when I have to (like here), but am pretty crap about it in person
[14:02] <pleia2> I'm ok once I'm in a comfort zone
[14:03] <pleia2> plug became within that comfort zone eventually, but even that took a while
[14:03] <Pendulum> yeah, makes sense
[14:03] <pleia2> the first night of UDS (I flew in that night) I checked into my room and then was like "oh no, I have to go to the bar and meet people I don't know!"
[14:03] <pleia2> maco said I looked like this --> O_O
[14:03] <Pendulum> heh
[14:04] <pleia2> so she grabbed me and introduced me to people, it was very nice of her :)
[14:04] <Pendulum> yeah
[14:05] <Pendulum> I did as well at PLUG as I did (and I still felt awkward and shy both times) because you and jadoba seemed to work to make me as comfortable as possible
[14:05] <pleia2> I'm glad :)
[14:05] <pleia2> jadoba moved to jersey last year, I miss him
[14:06] <Pendulum> yeah, I think he was about to move/in process when I was last there
[14:06]  * pleia2 nods
[14:07] <Pendulum> I wish there was a way to get more of the schools tied in with things like PLUG
[14:07] <pleia2> our loco team has had more luck with schools
[14:08] <pleia2> but even then, not a ton, it usually takes having someone on the inside
[14:08] <Pendulum> yeah
[14:08] <Pendulum> actually, one thing (even though I won't have a great tie-in there anymore) I'm going to try to do when back with my parents is see if I can talk to people where I went to high school about coming into some of the CS classes to talk about FOSS and about Women in Computing
[14:08] <pleia2> that would be great
[14:09] <Pendulum> it's an entirely Mac school, but when I was there the "geeks" at least were definitely linux users (it's how I first heard of linux) and I know they've still got issues with girls getting teased for taking the CS classes
[14:10] <pleia2> sounds like both talks of yours would be very helpful :)
[14:10] <Pendulum> no idea what I'd say, but I figure it doesn't hurt to talk to some of the adults who do tech stuff
[14:11] <pleia2> I think I was fortunate to go to a school where the CS teacher was female, even if all the classes were male and all the programming exercises in the book used sports references (which were bad for even male geeks, who writes these things?)
[14:11] <Pendulum> (actually one of them was quite interested when my mum mentioned to him what I've been doing with the Ubuntu community)
[14:11] <Pendulum> haha
[14:11] <pleia2> cool
[14:12] <Pendulum> my high school was a prep school and is very proud for having been the first school in the country where every student has a laptop and where students at least used to do a lot of the tech support themselves
[14:12] <pleia2> I think I finally successfully explained to my mother "what I do with this Ubuntu thing"
[14:12] <pleia2> ah, neat
[14:12] <Pendulum> however, they started the laptop initiative in the early 90s and it wasn't until 2001 that they started actually offering CS classes
[14:12] <pleia2> our CS program was terribly limited, they didn't even have a real programming class until 2000 (I graduated in '99)
[14:14] <Pendulum> and the tech center guys (students) were very much into their own thing and a bit into being exclusive and never even really thought that other people might need a little encouragement to get involved
[14:14] <pleia2> yeah, all the tech geeks at my school were a clique group of guys too
[14:15] <Pendulum> ironically they were actually most of my friends group
[14:15] <pleia2> so I geeked out in the library and helped the librarians with their computers :)
[14:15] <Pendulum> but they never quite thought that I might actually be interested
[14:15] <Pendulum> and I had no idea really how to start or what I'd even be able to do
[14:16] <Pendulum> so let it all lay dorment for years
[14:16] <pleia2> career advisers ignored my interest in computers entirely, in retrospect it's kinda weird
[14:16] <pleia2> and I went with their advice (try environmental science instead)
[14:16] <Pendulum> I don't think I'd even have articulated to people then that I was interested in computers. I thought I was going to be a doctor.
[14:17] <Pendulum> but I am (and always have been) interested in just about everything
[14:17] <Pendulum> except accounting and economics ;)
[14:17] <pleia2> yeah, I never actually knew what I wanted to be when I grew up
[14:17]  * pleia2 took elective accounting and economics classes in high school
[14:17] <pleia2> hehe
[14:17] <Pendulum> heh
[14:18] <pleia2> oddly, math never inspired me
[14:18] <pleia2> apparently money manipulation does :)
[14:18] <Pendulum> and I think if I'd even had it on my radar that I might be interested and that there was a way to get started (I did actually want to take the CS classes when they started, but couldn't fit them into my schedule and it was about the time my health started getting massively worse so didn't have energy to try to play around)
[14:18] <Pendulum> I liked algebra and was surprisingly good at calc, but I've forgotten a lot of both these days
[14:19] <pleia2> I've forgotten tons of math, it's sad
[14:19] <Pendulum> yeah
[14:19] <pleia2> at least the terms, I guess I do use the concepts at work frequently
[14:19] <Pendulum> *nods*
[14:19] <Pendulum> I don't even do that often
[14:19] <Pendulum> I mean, I use basic math
[14:20] <Pendulum> but not much beyond that
[14:20] <pleia2> I felt pretty daft when I ended up sitting with the math guys after plug recently and one of them asked if I knew what a logarithm was
[14:20] <pleia2> as soon as he began explaining it I remembered
[14:20] <Pendulum> *nods*
[14:20] <pleia2> I use them all the time, but ugh I felt silly :)
[14:20] <Pendulum> heh
[14:21] <pleia2> I liked history a lot in school
[14:21] <pleia2> "but that's not a job!"
[14:21] <Pendulum> heh
[14:22] <Pendulum> I'm lucky my parents never thought that "but that's not a job" was a reason to limit me from something
[14:22] <pleia2> so I graduated "took a year off before college" (it's now been almost 11 years, oops) and wandered around working random jobs in and out of tech for 7 years
[14:22] <Pendulum> *nods*
[14:23] <Pendulum> I wish I'd had a year off. Instead it just took me 6 and I got a degree in something more because I could do it with less effort than because I was actually particularly interested
[14:24] <pleia2> what did you end up with a degree in?
[14:24] <Pendulum> English
[14:24] <pleia2> oh right, I remember now
[14:25] <Pendulum> it's not that I didn't like it, just that in retrospect there were things I'd probably have ultimately found more rewarding
[14:25] <pleia2> for a while I felt bad about not bothering to go back for the college thing, I wanted to for a while but couldn't juggle work and pay for education
[14:25] <Pendulum> (this is part of why I'm going to try to use my time off work to retrain myself in programming and tech writing)
[14:25]  * pleia2 nods
[14:25] <Pendulum> that makes sense
[14:26] <pleia2> now I don't care, I have a comfy job and job opportunities frequently, if I take any college classes it'll be to learn, not to get a degree
[14:26] <Pendulum> which is really what it should be about in the first place
[14:26] <pleia2> and I learn tons at conferences and free talks, so.. :)
[14:26] <Pendulum> yep :)
[14:27] <Pendulum> but I figure bringing open source to my high school can't be bad, especially as the guy who runs the tech dept. now seemes to have released source for all sorts of things he's done or setup there
[14:27] <pleia2> nice :)
[14:28] <Pendulum> and has documentation on the web for everything including servers
[14:29] <pleia2> cool
[14:30] <Pendulum> of course, I will be doing this right after my mother has quit teaching at the school (and when giving her reasoning to the headmaster she told him some hard truths he needed to hear so has burned bridges, IMO), but hopefully they won't hold it against me ;)
[14:30] <pleia2> hopefully :)
[14:31] <mhall119> morning
[14:31] <mhall119> good god pleia2, don't  you sleep?
[14:31] <pleia2> morning mhall119
[14:31] <pleia2> I slept :)
[14:33] <Pendulum> morning mhall119 :)
[14:33] <mhall119> morning
[14:33] <Pendulum> sleep is for the weak ;)
[14:33] <pleia2> yeah, Pendulum is the one who doesn't sleep
[14:33] <pleia2> hehe
[14:34] <Pendulum> I actually got 7 hours before my hip woke me up
[14:34] <Pendulum> well, woke me up for good
[14:34] <IdleOne> Good morning
[14:34] <pleia2> morning IdleOne
[14:34] <Pendulum> morning IdleOne
[14:35] <mhall119> the survey needs an "Awesome" choice
[14:35] <pleia2> hehe
[14:35] <mhall119> actually, that's the only choice it needs
[14:35] <pleia2> then a box with "Tell us why we are awesome"
[14:35] <IdleOne> Awesome and Super Freaking incredible :)
[14:36] <Pendulum> that's actually not a bad idea for a future question
[14:36] <Pendulum> because people often use surveys to complain
[14:37] <mhall119> I'm going to rate my session "Didn't attend"
[14:37] <Pendulum> heh
[14:37] <Pendulum> I need to read logs at some point as I don't think I "attended" any of the sessions
[14:37] <IdleOne> Well what I attended yesterday was all awesome
[15:18] <cjohnston> going back to the conversation at 902, pleia2 must be in her comfort zone with me since she is never shy to tell me what to do :-P
[15:18] <Pendulum> hah
[15:22] <cjohnston> g'mornin Pendulum pleia2 and _marx_
[15:22] <Pendulum> morning cjohnston
[15:26] <cjohnston> 29 surveys!
[15:28] <Pendulum> :)
[15:28] <cjohnston> 2 poors for the whole day...
[15:28] <cjohnston> let me rephrase
[15:29] <cjohnston> 2 poor votes for a class...
[15:29] <cjohnston> :-(
[15:29] <Pendulum> that's really not bad
[15:29] <cjohnston> tbh its where I expected it to be
[15:29] <IdleOne> cjohnston: from who? We can go and egg their houses
[15:30] <cjohnston> IdleOne: no idea
[15:30] <cjohnston> lol
[15:30] <cjohnston> 100% recommend tho
[15:30] <Pendulum> :D
[15:31] <Pendulum> cjohnston: were the 2 poors for the same class?
[15:31] <cjohnston> uh huh
[15:31] <Pendulum> *nods*
[15:37] <mhall119> oh dead
[15:37] <mhall119> dear
[15:37] <cjohnston> ?
[15:37] <mhall119> not mine I hope
[15:37] <cjohnston> no
[15:37] <cjohnston> 5 good and 10 great
[15:37] <mhall119> how did Jamal's class go?
[15:38] <cjohnston> 6/6
[15:38] <cjohnston> same as yours
[15:38] <mhall119> awesome
[15:38] <mhall119> so how many attendee do you figure there were throughout the day?
[15:39] <cjohnston> everytime i looked there were ~200 in -classroom
[15:39] <cjohnston> sometimes a few more, sometimes a few less
[15:41] <mhall119> yeah, but how many were actually attending
[15:42] <mhall119> classroom has 107 in there right now, and nothing's been said since last night
[15:42] <cjohnston> I dont know of anyway to figure that out
[15:42] <mhall119> unless everyone takes the survey
[15:42] <mhall119> we know at least 29 people attended
[15:42] <cjohnston> then 29
[15:42] <cjohnston> lol
[15:42] <Pendulum> I'm guessing about 50
[15:43] <cjohnston> brb
[15:43] <mhall119> I'd say closer to 100, since the ones that were in yesterday but not attending are probably the same ones that are still in there now
[15:43] <Pendulum> that's true
[15:43] <mhall119> ~200 - 107 = ~93
[15:43] <Pendulum> but some of those were also doubles (or triples) of us
[15:43] <mhall119> plus those of us that are in -classroom now and did attend
[15:44] <mhall119> I still think close to 100
[15:44] <Pendulum> let's hope :)
[15:55] <cjohnston> im back.. stop talking about me
[15:55] <Pendulum> heh
[16:15] <cjohnston> To anyone interested, the Classroom wiki page has been updated with new information/proceedures
[16:15] <nigel_nb> morning cjohnston
[16:16] <cjohnston> hey nigel_nb
[16:16] <Pendulum> cjohnston: btw, czajkowski attempted to recruit for the personal project you two seem to have started this morning ;)
[16:17] <cjohnston> what does she need?
[16:17] <nigel_nb> um.. what?
[16:18] <cjohnston> ok
[16:18] <Pendulum> nigel_nb: I'm teasing cjohnston about something and he didn't get it ;)
[16:18] <nigel_nb> ah
[16:21] <nigel_nb> cjohnston, hows the feedback so far?
[16:22] <cjohnston> mostly very goo
[16:22] <cjohnston> d
[16:22] <nigel_nb> we need to start thinking of topics for next user day
[16:22]  * cjohnston is trying to think of a good way to 'publish' results
[16:22] <cjohnston> dude
[16:22] <cjohnston> give it 14 hours first
[16:22] <cjohnston> lol
[16:22] <nigel_nb> saw my mail ? ;)
[16:23] <nigel_nb> hahah
[16:23] <cjohnston> y
[16:23] <cjohnston> ua
[16:23] <cjohnston> ya
[16:23] <cjohnston> see i still cant type
[16:23] <nigel_nb> lol
[16:26] <nigel_nb> any way I see it, you need html and text processing
[16:26] <cjohnston> "nicely" is the requirement I Was going for
[16:26] <nigel_nb> well, since easily is not a requirement
[16:27] <nigel_nb> you can just put it on a wiki page
[16:27] <Pendulum> cjohnston: define nicely?
[16:27] <cjohnston> I don't want to offend anyone
[16:27] <cjohnston> in public
[16:27] <nigel_nb> oh that way
[16:27] <Pendulum> suggestion: only put really general results (things like respondants and over all impression of the day) anywhere public
[16:27] <nigel_nb> well, put on email to only the 5 of us
[16:28] <Pendulum> the rest in the e-mail nigel_nb just suggested
[16:28] <cjohnston> ya
[16:28] <Pendulum> if specific instructors ask for feedback about their own course, let them see it
[16:28] <Pendulum> but there's no reason all the info needs to be public
[16:28] <cjohnston> right
[16:30] <cjohnston> we need a classroom team logo
[16:30] <cjohnston> lol
[16:31] <nigel_nb> isnt there one already?
[16:31] <cjohnston> a little logo for the LP team
[16:31] <nigel_nb> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=ubuntu_classroom_logo.png?
[16:31] <cjohnston> go to your LP page, then click on all memberships..
[16:31] <cjohnston> one of those little logos
[16:32] <nigel_nb> ahhh
[16:34] <nigel_nb> just make an svg of a blackboard in inkscape
[16:34] <cjohnston> sounds like a great idea... ill put it on my todo list to remind you to make an svg of a blackboard in inkscape
[16:34] <cjohnston> :-P
[16:35] <Pendulum> cjohnston: building up your todo list agian?
[16:36] <cjohnston> nope
[16:36] <cjohnston> its empty
[16:39] <nigel_nb> read alan's mail?
[16:39] <nigel_nb> I sorta like that approach
[16:39] <cjohnston> ya.. i dont remember what it says right now tho
[16:41] <nigel_nb> need to make it like conference. with keynotes and all the works
[16:41] <cjohnston> lol
[16:41] <nhandler> Someone touched on this in the ML thread, but why not approach LoCos and try and have them do a User Day or a portion of a User Day. I think it would be interesting being able to say: For the next few hours, the Ubuntu Chicago team will be teaching us about foo. Joe has the floor (and actually let each LoCo team *run* their portion of the day, where run=plan, announce, introduce, etc).
[16:41] <nhandler> The keynote will be easier with lernid
[16:43] <nhandler> My idea would make it easier to fill the time slots, take some pressure off the organizers, make LoCos more active, and encourage some less-known members of the community to present
[16:45] <nigel_nb> well, it is a good idea
[16:47] <nhandler> It might also cause some more people to attend. People would want to support members of their LoCo
[16:47] <nigel_nb> yes, after assuring they are competent enough, I'm okay with it
[16:48] <nigel_nb> cjohnston, we need to increase the user days team size with a few people on the other end of the tz, that could help us a lot
[16:49] <cjohnston> you are at the other end of the T
[16:49] <cjohnston> z
[16:50] <nigel_nb> yes, but just me
[16:50] <nigel_nb> one more person, and we could have gone on ;)
[16:50] <nigel_nb> and y'all gone to bed
[16:50] <nigel_nb> like you know...2 people for every 8 hours
[16:51] <cjohnston> yall are too much
[16:51] <Pendulum> I think you need at least 3 people really
[16:51] <Pendulum> because 8 hours straight is a long time
[16:52] <Pendulum> I also am not thinking about this today anymore
[16:52] <nigel_nb> hm, true
[16:52] <nigel_nb> I want this discussion today coz we'd get out anything we felt yday fast into the logs ;)
[16:53] <Pendulum> that's fine, just I'm too burnt out atm to think about User Days really until tomorrow
[16:53] <nigel_nb> hehe
[16:54] <Pendulum> so I'm not really going to be in here while it's being discussed
[16:55] <cjohnston> and tomorrow is UDW
[16:55] <cjohnston> !
[16:55] <nigel_nb> cjohnston, classroom team will be hosting?
[16:56] <cjohnston> nigel_nb: it is run by dholbach ..
[16:56] <nigel_nb> one man show?
[16:56] <nigel_nb> naiice
[16:56] <cjohnston> I doubt it
[16:56] <cjohnston> but it isnt being run by classroom per se
[16:56] <nigel_nb> yeah, by MOTU
[16:57] <nigel_nb> the timings are perfect overlap of my work hours :P
[17:00] <nigel_nb> okay, its time to logout
[17:00] <nigel_nb> gotta go to work
[17:01] <cjohnston> latah
[17:01] <nigel_nb> later cjohnston and Pendulum
[17:01] <nigel_nb> pleia2, seems to be enjoying the day today ;) (judging from tweets)
[17:01] <nigel_nb> hope you guys recover and rest today :)
[17:03] <cjohnston> she tweeting about not being at the computer?
[17:04] <Pendulum> well her facebook said she was at the Italian Market
[19:22] <cjohnston> uggh
[19:23] <Pendulum> what?
[19:23] <cjohnston> tried to take a nap bug couldnt
[19:25] <shrini> cjohnston: need little help
[19:25] <cjohnston> s/bug/but
[19:25] <cjohnston> sir?
[19:25] <shrini> cjohnston: want to show my brother
[19:25] <shrini> cjohnston: about the list of project ubuntu has
[19:26] <shrini> cjohnston: like, classroom ,learning, etc
[19:26] <shrini> cjohnston: seen in a wiki page
[19:26] <shrini> cjohnston: lost the link
[19:26] <shrini> cjohnston: can you share the link?
[19:26] <cjohnston> A list of all the projects?
[19:26] <cjohnston> I don't know if there truely is one..
[19:26] <cjohnston> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom
[19:27] <cjohnston> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning
[19:27] <doctormo> hey shrini
[19:27] <cjohnston> theres those two
[19:27] <shrini> doctormo: hai
[19:27] <shrini> cjohnston: hmmm.not this
[19:27] <doctormo> Cool so who is writing up their classes into lessons?
[19:27] <cjohnston> doctormo: we havent really asked that yet
[19:27] <cjohnston> everyone is too tired to
[19:27] <cjohnston> lol
[19:28] <shrini> cjohnston: that page will have all projects. like marketting, loco, translations
[19:28] <shrini> cjohnston: okey. leave it
[19:28] <shrini> cjohnston: i am explaing about our event to my bro.
[19:28] <shrini> cjohnston: he is very interested
[19:28] <cjohnston> http://www.ubuntu.com/community
[19:28] <cjohnston> that has alot of stuff
[19:30] <shrini> cjohnston: ya.
[19:30] <shrini> cjohnston: this is what i needed
[19:30] <shrini> cjohnston: thanks a lot
[19:30] <cjohnston> :-)
[19:31] <shrini> cjohnston: we have our local lug
[19:31] <shrini> cjohnston: called "Kanchi LUG"
[19:32] <shrini> http://kanchilug.wordpress.com
[19:32] <shrini> we meet every sunday
[19:32] <shrini> explained about user days sessions today
[19:32] <cjohnston> 32 surveys
[19:32] <cjohnston> cool
[19:33] <shrini> cjohnston: :-)
[19:34] <_marx_> ah surveys still coming in that interesting
[19:36] <akgraner> sounds like it was an awesome day - I was so bummed I couldn't participate
[19:37] <cjohnston> akgraner: your in luck.. some of the response has said they want it weekly..
[19:37] <cjohnston> so ill put you in charge of the weekly ones, and the others can take every quarter ;-)
[19:37] <akgraner> cjohnston, hehe
[19:39] <_marx_> weekly eh hum
[19:43] <akgraner> you know the User Days can really fill the gap between Open and Developer weeks
[19:44] <akgraner> so open week the week after each release, then User Days continues building on that
[19:44] <akgraner> that just rocks!!
[19:45] <mhall119> akgraner, you can still read the logs
[19:45] <mhall119> that's what I've been doing
[19:45] <akgraner> yep it's on my todo list
[19:46] <_marx_> DiegoTc, ping
[19:53] <cjohnston> shower time
[19:54] <DiegoTc> hi _marx_
[19:55] <_marx_> Hi DiegoTc with my rather poor spanish i thought i read that you all had streaming audio; is that correct?
[19:56] <DiegoTc> _marx_, that is incorrect
[19:56] <DiegoTc> a guys was asking if it was with audio the USD
[19:56] <mhall119> http://picasaweb.google.com/mhall119/Installfest# pictures of what was going on at my house while I was teaching my class
[19:56] <_marx_> ok, proof positive i need to work on my spanish :)
[19:57] <DiegoTc> hahah no problem
[19:57] <DiegoTc> :D
[19:58] <_marx_> se me olvido casi todo
[20:00] <DiegoTc> haha
[20:00] <DiegoTc> eso esta bien dicho _marx_
[20:54] <nigel_nb> hey everyone :)
[21:22] <cjohnston> howdy
[21:22] <nigel_nb> ah, someone's here
[21:22] <nigel_nb> saw my mail?
[21:22] <nigel_nb> lol, pleia2 is gonna be mad at me for sending to the wrong list :P
[21:23] <cjohnston> i havent gotten an email from you since this mornin
[21:24] <nigel_nb> probably that one is what im talking about
[21:24] <nigel_nb> I sent it in a crzy high before hitting the bed
[21:25] <nigel_nb> cjohnston: I liked alan's idea
[21:26] <nigel_nb> but the implentation would be crazy!
[21:26] <nigel_nb> we'd need a huge bunch of dedicated volunteers
[21:33] <nigel_nb> later buddy
[21:49] <cjohnston> nhandler: you arent around by chance are you?
[21:49] <nhandler> cjohnston: Yep
[21:49] <cjohnston> quick question.. i hope
[21:50] <cjohnston> Is it possible on the wiki to wrap text around an image?
[21:51] <nhandler> cjohnston: I have no clue, sorry
[21:54] <cjohnston> thanks nhandler
[21:54] <cjohnston> ;-)
[22:00] <AlanBell> http://moinmo.in/HelpOnImages
[22:02] <cjohnston> thanks al
[22:02] <cjohnston> AlanBell:
[22:02] <AlanBell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/RAT2010
[22:03] <AlanBell> an image floating left ^^
[22:03] <AlanBell> incidentally I have to announce the date of that event tomorrow
[22:04] <AlanBell> it is looking like Saturday 21st August http://doodle.com/2zse7y4uafih5dpn so far . . .
[22:05] <AlanBell> actually no, I have to announce it today!
[22:05] <AlanBell> 2 hours left to change the date if you don't like it
[22:07] <AlanBell> although I will probably announce it a bit earlier than midnight
[22:08]  * AlanBell thanks cjohnston for the timely reminder :-)
[22:08] <cjohnston> lmao
[22:08] <cjohnston> and i wasnt even trying