[12:04] <Mez> Riddell, you already do have access to katapult svn
[12:04] <Riddell> Mez: berlios svn+ssh doesn't like my password
[12:04] <Mez> lol
[12:05] <Riddell> ?
[12:05] <Mez> I cant do anything if that's the case
[12:05] <Mez> you should have access it's all set up this end
[12:08] <Riddell> hmm, suspect it's a ssh key issue then
[12:08] <Riddell> refreshed.  6 hours to see if it'll work
[12:12] <Mez> lol
[12:12] <Mez> just upload your key through the wenbsite
[12:12] <Mez> or something
[12:12] <Mez> or use your berlios password
[12:12] <Mez> if your berlios and your ssh key are different, try both
[12:12] <Mez> I can never teell the sdifference between ther prompts for them
[12:19] <Riddell> Mez: could you apt-get install kde-guidance and see if the modules appear in systemsettings?
[12:19] <Riddell> or anyone else who is still awake
[12:20] <Riddell> do an apt-get update first
[12:23] <Tm_T> :/
[12:23] <Tm_T> I wish I could
[12:24] <Riddell> Tm_T: why can't you?
[12:25] <Tm_T> lack of proper connection
[12:25] <Riddell> what's improper about it?
[12:25] <Tm_T> gprs in windows machine
[12:26] <Mez> Riddell: breezy ok?
[12:26] <Tm_T> meaning, 3kt/s laggy unstable connection, and I can't get this working in linux :/
[12:26] <Mez> kt ?
[12:26] <Tm_T> kb
[12:27] <Tm_T> I hope I get my adsl soon
[12:27] <Mez> what am i looking for in system settings riddell?
[12:31] <Riddell> Mez: three extra (pixelated) icons in the bottom row
[12:31] <Mez> The following extra packages will be installed:
[12:31] <Mez>   python-kde3 python2.4-kde3 python2.4-qt3 python2.4-sip4-qt3
[12:31] <Mez> Suggested packages:
[12:31] <Mez>   python-qt3-doc
[12:31] <Mez> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[12:31] <Mez>   python-kde3 python2.4-kde3 python2.4-qt3 python2.4-sip4-qt3
[12:31] <Mez> The following packages will be upgraded:
[12:31] <Mez>   kde-guidance
[12:31] <Mez> 1 upgraded, 4 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded.
[12:32] <Riddell> mm hmm
[12:33] <Mez> Riddell: I dont know if they're extra, buyt I have 2 pixelated icons on the bottom row
[12:33] <Mez> actually
[12:33] <Mez> 3
[12:33] <Mez> disk and filesystemes, users and groups, and system services
[12:33] <Riddell> groovy
[12:33] <Riddell> thanks
[12:33] <Mez> though
[12:33] <Riddell> actually try clicking on one, see if it complains
[12:33] <Mez> "the module systemservices could not be loaded"
[12:33] <Riddell> gah
[12:34] <Mez> "library files for libpython2.4.so" not in path
[12:35] <Riddell> what happens when you run serviceconfig from the command line?
[12:35] <Mez> one sec
[12:36] <Mez> you just need a Depends: python2.4-dev
[12:36] <Mez> i installed it and it works now
[12:36] <Riddell> huh?
[12:36] <Mez> I just ran
[12:36] <Riddell> weird, what does that add?
[12:36] <Mez> /usr/lib/libpython2.4.so
[12:37] <Mez> :P
[12:38] <Mez> mez@apathy:~$ dpkg -L python2.4-dev | grep so
[12:38] <Mez> /usr/lib/python2.4/doc/tools/mksourcepkg
[12:38] <Mez> /usr/include/python2.4/classobject.h
[12:38] <Mez> /usr/lib/python2.4/config/libpython2.4.so
[12:38] <Mez> /usr/lib/libpython2.4.so
[12:38] <Mez> mez@apathy:~$
[12:38] <Mez> I'm really confused as to how I knew that would work ....
[12:38] <Mez> o_O
[12:55] <Mez> Riddell, gpg --export-key --armor keyid | apt-key add -
[12:58] <Riddell> Mez: mmm, now I just need to work out how to correcly sign these things
[12:58] <Mez> Apt-repos?
[12:59] <Mez> I can help with that
[12:59] <Mez> It's not that hard
[12:59] <Mez> but it's a shame you dont have my old one
[01:00] <Mez> do you have your old Packages.gz thing?
[01:00] <Mez> I used that as my base script :D
[01:01] <Riddell> old Packages.gz thing?
[01:01] <Mez> the thing that for hoary-341 used to generate the packages.gz for you
[01:02] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/kde35beta1/ARCHIVE
[01:04] <Mez> Ridell: thats near enough right...
[01:05] <Mez> except you just need a couple of things at the top to set the distro and stuff right for the Release files
[01:05] <Tm_T> Mez: you're some kind of wizard? :o
[01:06] <Tm_T> ;p
[01:06] <Mez> Tm_T ???
[01:06] <Tm_T> joking :p
[01:06] <Mez> yeah, i know, I just didnt get it
[01:07] <Mez> Origin: Ubuntu
[01:07] <Mez> Label: Ubuntu
[01:07] <Mez> Suite: hoary-backports
[01:07] <Mez> Version: 5.04
[01:07] <Mez> Codename: hoary
[01:07] <Mez> Architectures: i386 amd64 powerpc
[01:07] <Mez> Components: main restricted universe multiverse
[01:07] <Mez> Description: Ubuntu Hoary Backports
[01:07] <Mez> that sort of thing
[01:07] <Tm_T> never saw riddell asking help before, I think you are precious to us, very good :)
[01:08] <Mez> lol - Riddell asks for help a lot of the times
[01:09] <Riddell> I always ask Mez for help, he's my saviour
[01:09] <Mez> but, usually it's just on those little annoyi9ng things that you cant learn unless somone tells you, or you've done it before
[01:09] <Mez> lol
[01:09] <Mez> and usually, I've done it before
[01:09] <Tm_T> good to have you here :)
[01:09] <Mez> Riddell, you trying to get me to buy your drinks at UBZ?  :P
[01:11] <Mez> Riddell: I'm actually going to have a shufty through the apt-ftparchive man page- do you have anywhere I can rsync that archive?
[01:13] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/~jr/kde35beta1.tar.gz
[01:13] <Riddell> 363MB
[01:14] <Mez> Length: 419,154,234 (400M) [application/x-tar]
[01:14] <Riddell> mm, yes
[01:15] <Riddell> Failed to fetch http://kubuntu.org/kde35beta1/dists/breezy/Release  Unable to find expected entry  main/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
[01:15] <Riddell> that's not good
[01:16] <Mez> yeah
[01:16] <Mez> one sec
[01:16] <Tm_T> uh, that's not good
[01:16] <Tm_T> I mean, when Riddell says "that's not good" ;p
[01:17] <Tm_T> like "you never wanna hear your sysadmin saying 'nice smoke'"
[01:18] <Mez> Ridell: if you have packages.bz2/packages.gz - you still need your regular packages aswell
[01:18] <Riddell> well, I'm sure worse things could happen
[01:18] <Riddell> Mez: don't see why, I've never had to have a Packages file before it was signed
[01:19] <Mez> ridell: have you just added it in?
[01:19] <Mez> or was it there before?
[01:20] <Riddell> W: Conflicting distribution: http://kubuntu.org breezy Release (expected breezy but got )
[01:20] <Riddell> I just added it
[01:20] <Riddell> now I get an all new error
[01:22] <Mez> one sec
[01:22] <Mez> did you manually generate that RElease file?
[01:23] <Riddell> no
[01:23] <Riddell> used the command in that ARCHIVE script
[01:23] <Riddell> along with the apt.conf file
[01:24] <Riddell> aah, hang on
[01:25] <Mez> ah, you've managed to get an apt.conf working
[01:25] <Mez> you should just have that in seperate bits though
[01:26] <Riddell> think it's all sorted now
[01:26] <Riddell> at least for breezy
[01:27] <Riddell> hello m-fox
[01:27] <Mez> W: Conflicting distribution: http://kubuntu.org breezy Release (expected breezy but got )
[01:27] <m-fox> hi
[01:27] <Mez> W: GPG error: http://kubuntu.org breezy Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG A506E6D4DD4D5088 Jonathan Riddell<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:28] <Riddell> Mez: try and apt-get update
[01:28] <Mez> I'm getting that error
[01:28] <Mez> W: GPG error: http://kubuntu.org breezy Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG A506E6D4DD4D5088 Jonathan Riddell<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:28] <Riddell> you probably need my key
[01:29] <Mez> I do have it
[01:29] <Riddell> in apt?
[01:29] <Mez> mez@apathy:~$ sudo apt-key list
[01:29] <Mez> /etc/apt/trusted.gpg
[01:29] <Mez> --------------------
[01:29] <Mez> pub   1024D/437D05B5 2004-09-12
[01:29] <Mez> uid                  Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:29] <Mez> sub   2048g/79164387 2004-09-12
[01:29] <Mez> pub   1024D/FBB75451 2004-12-30
[01:30] <Mez> uid                  Ubuntu CD Image Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:30] <Mez> pub   1024D/496242EC 2005-08-05
[01:30] <Mez> uid                  Martin Meredith (Archive Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:30] <Mez> pub   1024D/DD4D5088 2001-10-09
[01:30] <Mez> uid                  Jonathan Riddell<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:30] <Mez> uid                  Jonathan Riddell<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:30] <Mez> uid                  Jonathan Riddell (University Address<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:30] <Mez> sub   1024g/D9F04547 2001-10-09
[01:30] <Mez> fixed now
[01:30] <Mez> but your deb-src is still ballsed
[01:31] <Mez> Failed to fetch http://kubuntu.org/kde35beta1/dists/breezy/Release  Unable to find expected entry  main/source/Sources in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
[01:31] <Mez> isa it safe to update to 3.5 in breezy?
[01:32] <Riddell> or right, need to do the Sources as well (and hoary)
[01:32] <Riddell> s/or/oh/
[01:32] <Riddell> yes, 3.5 seems pretty safe
[01:32] <Mez> wehats now?
[01:32] <Mez> new *
[01:33] <Mez> it's officially betya now?
[01:33] <Riddell> it's not been released yet
[01:34] <Mez> but, thats the beta?
[01:34] <Riddell> yes
[01:35] <Riddell> unless the beta stuff is changed for the qt 3.3.5 brokenness
[01:35] <Mez> tsk tsk
[01:35] <Mez> lol
[01:35] <Riddell> why tsk?
[01:35] <Mez> you shouldnt be giving it out
[01:35] <Mez> dont you have an NDA? :P
[01:35] <Riddell> it's not linked from anywhere
[01:36] <Mez> lol
[01:36] <Mez> I bet you I can find somewhere
[01:37] <Mez> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/kubuntu-devel-current.html
[01:37] <Mez> :P
[01:41] <Mez> I thought september 13th was the beta release date?
[01:41] <Mez> brb
[01:41] <Tm_T> friday 13th ...
[01:44] <Mez> a few noticeable changes
[01:45] <Mez> KDE 3.4.91?
[01:45] <Riddell> yep
[01:45] <Mez> lol
[01:45] <Mez> the task manager is gonna take a little getting used to
[01:45] <Mez> what with like... no borders around the window
[01:45] <Mez> but, it does look sleek
[01:47] <Riddell> task manager?
[01:48] <Mez> yeah
[01:49] <Mez> ah yes
[01:49] <Tm_T> Ksysguard
[01:49] <Mez> I can see the thing
[01:49] <Tm_T> ?
[01:49] <Mez> change from elegant to classic to get it back
[01:52] <Mez> brb
[01:54] <Mez> nice fix on the systemsettings bug btw
[01:54] <Riddell> Mez: which bug?
[01:55] <Mez> the maximised window thing
[01:57] <Mez> sweet
[01:57] <Mez> amarok 1.3
[01:57] <crimsun> 1.3.1.
[01:57] <Mez> I've been looking forward to this
[01:58] <Mez> when does KDE move away from arts btw
[01:58] <crimsun> has already begun afaik
[01:58] <Mez> just wondering cause it's still using arts for me
[01:58] <crimsun> amarok 1.3.1 works fine with gstreamer
[01:59] <Tm_T> gst is teh engine :)
[01:59] <Mez> so why is arts still in kcontrol
[01:59] <Tm_T> just waiting alsasink-comeback
[02:03] <Riddell> Mez: KDE 3.4 still has arts, I've heard rumours that for 3.5 you can just use akode, no idea if that's true or not
[02:03] <Riddell> otherwise KDE 4
[02:04] <Riddell> SuSE allegedly have backported the KDE 4 kdemm stuff to KDE 3 too
[02:04] <Tm_T> akode ...
[02:04] <Tm_T> never tried that
[02:09] <Riddell> Mez: why don't you like arts?
[02:09] <Mez> arts breaks a lot
[02:09] <Mez> well
[02:09] <Riddell> and gstreamer dosen't :)
[02:09] <Mez> I dislike artsdsp
[02:09] <Mez> :D
[02:09] <Mez> it segfaults on me way too much
[02:27] <Riddell> sebas: is pykde extentions going to go into SVN?
[02:33] <_tonio> I there ;)
[02:33] <_tonio> I need help of a specialist ;)
[02:33] <_tonio> I have a package that compiles perfectly with ./ configure && make && make install
[02:34] <_tonio> but it fails with pbuilder.... It is the third package that has this kind of problem in 3 days and I start wondering if it is not a pbuilder bug, or I don't know ;)
[02:36] <Riddell> _tonio: what's the failure?
[02:36] <Riddell> what happens if you just use debuild ?
[02:36] <_tonio> the failure is a non found file
[02:37] <_tonio> let me try with debuild :)
[02:38] <_tonio> Riddell: I just discovered the amazing possibilities of aptitude, but why on earth is it the only dpkg frontend that manages correctly with deps ?
[02:38] <_tonio> will adept manage package removal correctly ?
[02:42] <Riddell> _tonio: aptitude saves what an install brings in doesn't it?  adept doesn't currently do that but bugs.kde.org is your friend
[02:45] <_tonio> yes that is a real pleasure to use this.... I discovered that today, and I was thinking tat aptitude was just a kind of shortcut to apt ;)
[02:46] <_tonio> I'll ask that with the exporting/importing function :) Synaptic should perform this too, amazing that only aptitude does that
[02:46] <_tonio> Riddell: same problem with debuild
[02:46] <Riddell> _tonio: it's probably the package not liking build-directory != source directory
[02:47] <_tonio> Riddell: I have seen this twice before.... what to do in this case ?
[02:48] <Riddell> _tonio: moan to upstream
[02:48] <_tonio> new version of klibido has the problem also, and briquolo (great 3d breakout) also...
[02:49] <_tonio> okay, so I have to ask to the upstream to check for this ;)
[02:49] <Riddell> _tonio: it's probably faily easy to fix if you can play with the code
[02:49] <Riddell> fairly
[02:49] <_tonio> of course ;)
[02:49] <Riddell> _tonio: send me a source package and I'll take a look
[02:50] <_tonio> courtesy, fairly, polite and respectfull ^^
[02:50] <_tonio> okay
[02:51] <Riddell> anyone got breezy able to try the new knetworkconf?
[02:54] <_tonio> I may if you want ;)
[02:54] <_tonio> Riddell:  do you want to talk about the network mask bug ?
[02:55] <_tonio> Riddell: http://www.planetemu.net/temp/tellico_riddell.tar.gz -> the package not building correctly
[02:57] <apokryphos> Admin mode switch a.o.k. -- the icon on that kdesu(type) looks pretty bad. Small icon made huge.
[02:57] <apokryphos> could be because I don't have latest (as in, last few days kde packs). Might as well install now actually.
[02:58] <Riddell> apokryphos: knetworkconf?
[02:58] <apokryphos> yes
[02:58] <apokryphos> systemsettings -> network settings
[02:58] <Riddell> apokryphos: that's known.  but it doesn't pop up a nasty box saying disto not supported?
[02:58] <apokryphos> Riddell: not anymore, nope (I remember that happening)
[02:59] <_tonio> Riddell: admin switching works, trying to go with fixed parameters
[02:59] <Riddell> apokryphos: excellent, thanks
[03:01] <apokryphos> Hm, doesn't detect my network again, but app is working (used to crash/refuse to go away, as I recall)
[03:01] <Riddell> _tonio: why do you capitalise your last name?
[03:01] <_tonio> still here ?
[03:01] <_tonio> Riddell: still that old bug.....
[03:02] <_tonio> broascast invalid when you swtich to manual config
[03:02] <Riddell> _tonio: which?
[03:02] <Riddell> _tonio: grr
[03:02] <_tonio> you can put what you want you always get a /8
[03:02] <_tonio> here is the ifconfig result when in dhcp
[03:03] <_tonio> eth0      Lien encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:30:1B:AD:3D:E4
[03:03] <_tonio>           inet adr:<IP_ADDRESS>  Bcast:<IP_ADDRESS>  Masque:<IP_ADDRESS>
[03:03] <_tonio> here is the problem, I should get a 82.x.x.255 with a /24 mask right ?
[03:04] <_tonio> and that's what I get with dhcp and exactly the same config appart from that:
[03:04] <_tonio> eth0      Lien encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:30:1B:AD:3D:E4
[03:04] <_tonio>           inet adr:<IP_ADDRESS>  Bcast:<IP_ADDRESS>  Masque:<IP_ADDRESS>
[03:04] <_tonio> which is correct
[03:05] <_tonio> the problem is well known and has been reported with a fix build by another distribution maintainers... I think it is a problem with all debian based distros (mepis etc...)
[03:05] <_tonio> Riddell: never eared about that issue ?
[03:08] <_tonio> Riddell: <_tonio> here is the ifconfig result when in dhcp -> read "not in dhcp" for the first case ;)
[03:09] <_tonio> Riddell: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=39098&highlight=knetworkconf+fixed ----> link with ASLinux fixed package repporting that problem ;)
[03:16] <_tonio> Riddell: in fact there are 2 bugs, 1 -> default gateway is not saved, 2 - > broadcast is invalid (reguarding to the network mask
[03:27] <_tonio> hi JRe
[03:27] <JRe> hi _tonio !!!
[03:28] <_tonio> franais ?
[03:28] <JRe> oui :)
[03:28] <_tonio> JRe: j'ai comme un doute sur le pseudo la;) c'est avec toi que j'ai discutt une bonne heure sur active directory non ?
[03:28] <JRe> oui c moi
[03:29] <_tonio> oki bon aller une minute en francais, j'ai une question et la flemme de causer en anglais ;)
[03:29] <_tonio> comment on peut compiler un package pour REVU qui a des dependences en multiverse ?
[03:29] <_tonio> le serveur ne pourra pas packager..... j'ai pas encore trouv de soluce  ca
[03:30] <JRe> effectivement tu peux pas je pense
[03:30] <_tonio> bah voui, mais c'est relou quoi ;) les motus sont pas trop dispos pour m'expliker quoi faire en ce moment ;)
[03:31] <_tonio> ca existe pas master of the multiverse ? ;)
[03:32] <JRe> :)
[03:32] <JRe> non
[03:33] <_tonio> rah, fait chier ^^
[03:33] <_tonio> quoi de neuf ? moi ca package dur la ce WE, j'en ai au moins 23 sur le feu la ;) je blance la sauce avant breezy quoi ;)
[10:31] <pef> hello
[10:32] <author_> hello
[01:05] <elvirolo> hi all
[01:05] <elvirolo> anyone around?
[01:05] <\sh> yes ;)
[01:06] <\sh> Riddell: ping french translation?
[01:08] <elvirolo> :)
[01:47] <mitsuhiko> \sh: ping
[01:52] <\sh> mitsuhiko: pong
[01:53] <mitsuhiko> \sh: kann es sein, dass libdvcdcss vor einem monat in multiverse war?
[01:53] <\sh> nein
[01:53] <\sh> argl..no i mean
[01:53] <mitsuhiko> \sh: it's installed in one of my breezy machines
[01:53] <mitsuhiko> and there is only restricted, main, universe and multiverse
[01:56] <\sh> mitsuhiko: there is no upload of libdvdcss
[01:56] <mitsuhiko> strange
[04:31] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: about katapult: Am I right, that you don't have integrated the patch of Revision 8 (svn) "small bugfix" in the breezy package?
[04:37] <Mez> OculusAquilae, katapult is working nicely here :d
[04:37] <OculusAquilae> Mez: at my box, too, but I have a little bug in the config dialog
[04:38] <Mez> oh yeah, that needs integrating too
[04:38] <OculusAquilae> and Revision 8 is the solution for this problem :-)
[04:39] <OculusAquilae> I have also a modified systray_optional.diff
[04:45] <jpatrick> Katapult rocks :D
[04:45] <OculusAquilae> jpatrick: it does
[04:46] <\sh> I don't see the damn memleak in amarok1.3.1
[05:43] <JRe> is it normal that superkaramba depends on xmms ?
[05:44] <OculusAquilae> JRe: i didn't know why
[05:44] <JRe> strange
[05:45] <JRe> OculusAquilae: how can i access to the config window of katapult ?
[05:45] <OculusAquilae> CTRL+C
[06:00] <jpatrick> doesn't Ctrl-C == copy ?
[06:02] <author_> jpatrick: run katapult with alt+space then spress crtl+c
[06:04] <OculusAquilae> jpatrick: yes, CTRL+C does many things
[06:14] <author_> Display blocked JavaScript popups in kde 3.5 konqueror O_O
[06:15] <author_> http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/kde-3.5-features.html
[06:18] <Tm_T> hey Mez &co :)
[06:26] <Mez> hi
[08:05] <Verwilst> hi Riddell
[08:05] <Verwilst> what's the status on the 3.5 debs?
[08:11] <apokryphos> Verwilst: he may respond with an update later, but so far kdebase, kdelibs, kdeutils, and kdetoys are in
[08:14] <Verwilst> apokryphos: url?
[08:14] <Verwilst> i can compile too tomorrow
[08:15] <jpatrick> my computer's too slow for compiling
[08:15] <apokryphos> Verwilst:  http://kubuntu.org/~jr/kde35beta1/
[08:16] <jpatrick> arts is in too
[08:18] <apokryphos> well, yeah. :)
[08:18] <Verwilst> http://kubuntu.org/~jr/kde35beta1/pool-hoary/kdelibs/ is empty?
[08:18] <Verwilst> kdebase only has 3 apps
[08:18] <jpatrick> Verwilst: yep
[08:19] <jpatrick> same for breezy
[08:19] <Verwilst> how come? ;)
[08:19] <apokryphos> Only the packs required for building other kde parts have been put in
[08:20] <Verwilst> oh :
[08:20] <apokryphos> Verwilst: and you can help build, too. Ask Riddell when he comes, if you like.
[08:20] <apokryphos> =)
[08:21] <Verwilst> well, i started building it a couple of weeks ago
[08:21] <Verwilst> i had arts built
[08:21] <Verwilst> but kdelibs didn't feel like building :$
[08:21] <apokryphos> Verwilst: there's plenty others to do, of course :P
[08:21] <Verwilst> oh
[08:21] <Verwilst> but that was the alpha!
[08:22] <apokryphos> Oh. Beta1 now :)
[08:23] <Verwilst> ;)


[03:24] <battlehands> how do I run a green matlab file
[03:30] <kanliot> please ask in ##matlab
[05:59] <Ascavasaion> Good morning, I have returned with more questions.  Why do I keep getting flash player out of date errors in Chromium when I have just run an update and flashplayer-installer was updated?
[06:05] <silverarrow> hi
[06:05] <silverarrow> Ascavasaion, not sure, is it from a specific site you get the message?
[06:05] <Ascavasaion> Hello.
[06:06] <Ascavasaion> silverarrow: Random sites.
[06:06] <silverarrow> there is the issue of adobe deciding not to make a linux version anymore
[06:06] <bioterror> I wish they would stop making any versions at all
[06:06] <silverarrow> as long as it works i would not worry too much,
[06:06] <bioterror> html5 all the way
[06:06] <bioterror> thanks
[06:07] <silverarrow> not likely in years though
[06:07] <silverarrow> BBC, local TV here, their new pod and net tv player, all flash
[06:08] <silverarrow> actually almost all news and tv is flash
[06:08] <bioterror> dont jinx it, or it will be silverlight!
[06:08] <silverarrow> not sure why html5 isn`t more widely used
[06:08] <bioterror> should I tell you why
[06:08] <silverarrow> yes
[06:08] <bioterror> it costs money to invest DRM stuff into flash
[06:09] <bioterror> and they want to use it then as long as they can
[06:09] <bioterror> it takes a little longer to adopt new techniques
[06:09] <silverarrow> youtube are trying
[06:09] <silverarrow> working on some hardwere
[06:10] <silverarrow> hardware I have*
[06:10] <silverarrow> and so far not as backwards compatible as claimed
[06:12] <silverarrow> I know a large tv channel here is wroking on a html5 player
[06:12] <bioterror> good for them
[06:13] <silverarrow> however, they went for flash because the html5 had too many issues
[06:13] <silverarrow> they are still on the html 5 development
[06:14] <silverarrow> Ascavasaion, some sites don`t recognize the linux version properly and think it is an older version
[06:18] <kanliot> word
[06:20] <silverarrow> the tv adobe flash version is still beta
[06:20] <silverarrow> the older is still windows media player or silverlight based
[06:20] <silverarrow> *web tv I mean
[06:24] <silverarrow> youtube seems to be on the case though
[06:29] <Ascavasaion> I havebeen told that 11.04 is soon to come to the end of its life... is therr a way to update directly to 12.04 instead of first going to 11.10 and then only to 12.04?
[06:30] <bioterror> sudo do-release-upgrade -p
[06:31] <Ascavasaion> bioterror: Will that skip 11.10?
[06:31] <bioterror> but update manager should notify that you have a new LTS release waiting
[06:32] <Ascavasaion> bioterror: It does not, that is why I am asking.  I am running 11.04 and update-manager is set to emind me of LTS only.  It does not tel me about 12.04.
[06:33] <bioterror> try that command
[06:33] <bioterror> it will tell you versions
[06:34] <bioterror> but I've noticed that the "ubuntu" way of updating releases is "reinstall" :---D
[06:35] <Ascavasaion> "no new release found"
[06:35] <bioterror> what if you use -d
[06:36] <Ascavasaion> Still no release available
[06:36] <Ascavasaion> Could it be that my local mirror just does not have 12.04 available?
[06:37] <bioterror> possible?
[06:37] <Ascavasaion> I am probably totally off the mark.
[06:37] <Ascavasaion> Let me try another local mirror then.
[06:40] <kanliot> lubuntu 11.04?
[06:40] <bioterror> man it was ugly :-)
[06:40] <Ascavasaion> Yes, I am running 11.04 now.
[06:40] <bioterror> oooh my eyes!
[06:41] <kanliot> This release is considered as a «stable beta », a result that could be a final and stable release if we was included in the Ubuntu family.
[06:41] <kanliot> lol @ we was
[06:43] <Ascavasaion> hehe
[06:43] <bioterror> 11.10 is still the best looking one
[06:44] <kanliot> actually lemme apologize bad english isn't funny unless you are a crude person
[06:44] <Ascavasaion> I laughed because you laughed at your own English.
[06:48] <Ascavasaion> Naaah, changing mirror never gave me a dist upgrade.
[06:49] <kanliot> http://24.media.tumblr.com/BUFg4AYaP3hn47x70CGs8Sfd_500.jpg  bad english
[06:49] <Ascavasaion> Seems like an aweful waste of time, and my monthly cap, to first update to 11.10 and then to 12.04.     If it is still downloading can I stop it and continue later on?  Or will it start from the beginning again?  Or will it break my system?
[10:25] <Pzat> "logoff" of lxsession-logoff  from the normal shutdown/logoff menu, seems to reboot my computer when i select logoff
[10:26] <silverarrow> I see
[10:27] <silverarrow> not sure how to trouble shoot that
[10:28] <Pzat> i dont think i should reinstall it, would probly end up reinstalling, but i think i saw a deb group saying somethings were wrong with lxsession-logoff
[10:28] <Pzat> so, i wasnt sure if this was happening to everyone using it
[10:29] <silverarrow> no, there should be a fix for it
[10:29] <silverarrow> a much simpler one
[10:29] <silverarrow> mine works, but I am on ppc
[10:30] <Pzat> anyway, it reboots, and a bios screen comes up complaining about a overflow something or rather, so maybe its something my hardware and bios isnt handling well
[10:31] <silverarrow> you have multiple users?
[10:31] <Pzat> i have a second user i added, but not used
[10:31] <silverarrow> do you have swap at all?
[10:31] <Pzat> yes
[10:31] <silverarrow> recommended amount is one and a half time as large as ram
[10:32] <silverarrow> but installer usually takes care of it
[10:32] <Pzat> ram = 3 gb, swap = 1gb, thought i read that it wouldnt even be needed really but do 1 gb anyway
[10:33] <Pzat> and my swap never goes beyond 0 use
[10:33] <Pzat> got a puter with 7 partitions, i had to manually set it up
[10:34] <Pzat> but i think i used a old swap from ubunutu that i use to have installed from version 8.04
[10:34] <Ascavasaion> Will update from 11.10 to 12.04 be as large a download as 11.04 to 11.10?
[10:35] <silverarrow> not sure how it works really, but swap is fickely when you don`t use defalut setup
[10:35] <Ascavasaion> Oh, okay, darn.  571Mb is a big download for someone on capped account.
[10:35] <silverarrow> you need a generous swap for login, logout, and dormant mode
[10:36] <Ascavasaion> and then to have to do it again to update to next LTS is hectic.
[10:36] <silverarrow> does suspend and hibernate work?
[10:36] <silverarrow> Ascavasaion, yes
[10:36] <Pzat> i wont use those, they always buggy anytime ive tried them in the last 12 years
[10:36] <Ascavasaion> silverarrow: :(
[10:37] <Pzat> odd, this keyboard doesnt even have those buttons
[10:37] <silverarrow> pzat, they should be better by now, mine works painlessly for the first time ever !!
[10:37] <silverarrow> i`m in 12.04
[10:38] <silverarrow> on an old ibook g4
[10:38] <Pzat> me too, lubuntu, is sweet compared to ubuntu 8.04, and i got it all customized now.
[10:39] <Pzat> i got 2 copies of mate my laptop, since the OSs keep suiciding, and roomys win-7-starter died, so put mate on her laptop too
[10:40] <silverarrow> Ascavasaion, it is a problem?
[10:41] <Pzat> honestly, i put lubuntu on my laptop first, but it suicided too, and on roomys, i think lubuntu doesnt lke acer aspire-one netbooks
[10:42] <silverarrow> it should though
[10:42] <silverarrow> how do the die then?
[10:42] <silverarrow> will not boot or freeze or something?
[10:43] <Pzat> mine died on a reboot or something, her it didnt want to install on, coulda been a bad flash, but i redid it a secondtime, was better, but still wouldnt install
[10:43] <Pzat> (..on hers)
[10:44] <silverarrow> I  have found flash a bit fickely too
[10:44] <silverarrow> I go for CD when possible
[10:44] <silverarrow> or cd
[10:44] <silverarrow> DVD*
[10:44] <Pzat> for a long time i was stuck it not booting, so i just overwrote it finally, - ya ditto on flash being odd as times
[10:45] <Pzat> hehe, netbook.. usb cd, i just dont have one atm
[10:45] <silverarrow> flash need work sometimes, but mostly no fuzz
[10:45] <silverarrow> low cpu, then flash is major fuzz
[10:46] <Pzat> the netbook, suprisingly nice, at about half the speed and half the memory of my dsktop
[10:47] <silverarrow> it does depend a lot upon setup and os
[10:47] <Cheapshot> what netbook model is that Pzat
[10:48] <silverarrow> linux usually boots fast and cleanly on notbooks in my experience
[10:48] <Cheapshot> Im running lubuntu on my acer aspire netbook
[10:48] <Pzat> cheapshot, its acer aspire-one netbook, smallest thing ive seen in awhile
[10:49] <silverarrow> those without cd rom?
[10:49] <silverarrow> ultrabook
[10:49] <Cheapshot> Pzat,  Only problems i've encountered with my is that my touchpad doesnt act as touchpad so it wont turn off when typing.
[10:51] <Pzat> there might be a key combo that disables it when your not using-cheapshot mines got it as FN-F7? dang mine eyes dont work today
[10:52] <Cheapshot> yeah ther is but it doesnt work, the system just thinks its a regular mouse
[10:52] <silverarrow> Cheapshot, and there is no settings that help?
[10:52] <Pzat> might be able to find the file that lets you rebind, or add a keybind. but donno what is is on that version
[10:53] <Cheapshot> hehe, well i've been trying to find a solution for the past 3  years but nothing :) I'm not alone with the problem
[10:53] <Pzat> been learning alot about lubuntu, binding up like windows
[10:55] <Pzat> i installed ubuntu and it had the look and feel of a mac, i that screen is why i stayed away from anything apple/mac
[11:00] <silverarrow> Cheapshot, must be a driver issue then?
[11:01] <Cheapshot> silverarrow, Kernel issue
[11:01] <Cheapshot> silverarrow, It worked on some really old kernel but to old for me to use
[11:02] <silverarrow> that sounds like it needs new compiling ?
[11:03] <silverarrow> Cheapshot, have they figured out any fixes? three years is a long time
[11:04] <Cheapshot> silverarrow, Well i check from time to time if anyone has figured out but I gues its pretty much a forgotten by now, and i've learned to live with it
[11:05] <silverarrow> not very nice though
[11:05] <silverarrow> you might file a bug on each release
[11:05] <silverarrow> it does help, even if it seems like futile
[11:13] <Pzat> i just checked, i have a 6.1gb swap
[11:14] <Deutopia> damn
[11:14] <Deutopia> i dont even have a swap
[11:14] <Pzat> its from ubuntu 8.04, i donno is this is default or not
[11:15] <Deutopia> im obviously tired and need to watch my language
[11:15] <silverarrow> huge swap
[11:15] <Pzat> i also found anohter 31 gb partition thats never been formated, whoot more space
[11:16] <silverarrow> unless you are 64 bit
[11:16] <Cheapshot> Pzat,  thats nothing I just found a new hard drive from my desktop thats been disable :) a nice 250gb of free space
[11:17] <silverarrow> Deutopia, can`t live without swap?
[11:17] <Pzat> lol, gratz, it like chrstmas today
[11:18] <Pzat> ok i have a swap partition, not sure how to confirm my os is using it
[11:19] <silverarrow> htop
[11:20] <silverarrow> push the computer a bit and it always uses some swap
[11:20] <silverarrow> even if there is plenty of ram
[11:20] <silverarrow> Pzat, you have htop?
[11:21] <Pzat> i think so
[11:21] <Pzat> oh, guess i dont, its on the netbook
[11:23] <silverarrow> I have swap three times ram
[11:25] <Pzat> ok, looks like im using it now, - sudo swapon -s
[13:10] <snele> hi guys. I installed lubuntu 12.04 on acer netbook with atom processor. Everything works great. Only restart/reboot doesn't work. Restart/reboot ends up to blank/black screen and stays there.
[13:10] <snele> Any ideas what is going wrong?
[13:21] <proko7> Hello there !
[13:22] <proko7> Can someone help me with my user profile picture? Can't get to set it !
[13:26] <proko7> No one awake?
[13:56] <kanliot> snele, after pressing restart
[13:56] <kanliot> press control+alt+f1 and see if there's an error message
[13:56] <kanliot> something linuxy
[15:10] <bman_> hey guys. sorry to bother you with trivial things this early in the day.. my microphone in my asus 1018pb is stuck on mute. i went into alsamixer and turned it back on to to no avail.. apparently im not the only one who has dealt with this.  my google results though hopeful havent solved anything..
[15:10] <bman_> im runnin the newest lubuntu
[15:11] <silverarrow> hi
[15:11] <silverarrow> getting late here
[15:11] <silverarrow> you are on a regular pc?
[15:12] <silverarrow> not mac I mean
[15:12] <silverarrow> bman_, it is often a bit quirky, but simple
[15:13] <silverarrow> bman_, have you right clicked on the taskbar loudspeaker icon ?
[15:13] <bman_> i am right now ive digged within this settings what are you suggesting
[15:14] <silverarrow> first double check the icon on the task bar
[15:14] <silverarrow> right click
[15:14] <silverarrow> or double finger click, how ever your mouse behaves
[15:15] <bman_> k
[15:15] <silverarrow> it is checked off for mute or not?
[15:15] <bman_> that loads up alsamixer and mute is......
[15:15] <silverarrow> do you get alsamixer there?
[15:16] <silverarrow> I have to launch it is terminal ? weird, but I am on a ppc
[15:16] <silverarrow> bman_, ok, just one mouse pad click on the loudspeaker icon?
[15:16] <bman_> mute is off i also previously disabled the auto mute feature and the setting has since stuck
[15:17] <silverarrow> you are familiar with alsamixer?
[15:17] <bman_> one click just brings up volume rocker and mute box
[15:17] <bman_> as of last night yes
[15:17] <silverarrow> ok,
[15:18] <bman_> hmm ill be back im sensing a restart .  if not ill talkt to you guys later thanks for helping silverarrow much appreciated
[15:19] <silverarrow> first graph in alsamixer "master" is on high ?
[15:19] <silverarrow> we can sort this out
[15:19] <silverarrow> it is typical on new install
[15:19] <silverarrow> go for restart :-)
[16:17] <tuxhat> hey my lxde not getting dual head
[16:17] <tuxhat> shows a blank screen on the second monitor with a X cursor
[16:18] <tuxhat> hello
[16:18] <tuxhat> oi
[16:18] <tuxhat> fjdskj
[16:18] <holstein> tuxhat: i would run arandr
[16:18] <tuxhat> good lord
[16:18] <tuxhat> that is not the idea man
[16:18] <tuxhat> i use arandr lxrandr
[16:18] <tuxhat> blah blah blah
[16:19] <tuxhat> doesn't do shit all nothing
[16:19] <holstein> tuxhat: cool.. i'll wait patiently for you to elaborate
[16:19] <holstein> tuxhat: try and keep the language "family friendly" please :)
[16:19] <tuxhat> well in arandr it shows my dvi
[16:19] <tuxhat> but i can't "active" it
[16:20] <tuxhat> what is wrong with lxde ?
[16:20] <tuxhat> all other "DE" my dual head works
[16:20] <tuxhat> but lxde ?
[16:20] <tuxhat> is lx a DE LULZ
[16:20] <holstein> tuxhat: i usually go with the path of least resistance, and just use what works
[16:20] <tuxhat> i highly doubt that
[16:20] <holstein> tuxhat: i have had not issues getting dual head to work with LXDE
[16:21] <tuxhat> so use nvidia + seperate screen setting
[16:21] <tuxhat> and it work ?
[16:21] <holstein> tuxhat: not sure what you mean by "use nvidia".. but i would try and use the same driver you were using in the other DE's... the driver that is supporting the functionality you are seeking
[16:22] <tuxhat> it works with xinerama or twinview but my panel is stretch out and my wallpaper as well and its being detected as one monitor instead of 2 seperate ones
[16:23] <tuxhat> i mean like i have my nvidia settings set up to seperate views
[16:23] <holstein> tuxhat: so, whats the question? is this about the wallpaper stretching?
[16:23] <tuxhat> no
[16:23] <tuxhat> i dont want xinerama or twinview
[16:23] <tuxhat> i want "SEPERATE" view
[16:23] <tuxhat> 1680x1050 on my dvi and 1360x768 on my crt
[16:24] <holstein> tuxhat: i literally open the arandr gui and just set it... what happens when you do that?
[16:24] <tuxhat> arandr shows only one monitor crt
[16:24] <holstein> tuxhat: maybe you can take a picture to better explain your situation
[16:24] <tuxhat> dvi i can't active it
[16:24] <tuxhat> hmm
[16:25] <tuxhat> well u probalby wont like that i am using gentoo
[16:25] <tuxhat> i dont know where to go for lxde
[16:25] <tuxhat> nobody helps me :(
[16:25] <holstein> tuxhat: nobody helps you?
[16:25] <tuxhat> well i know ur trying
[16:25] <holstein> tuxhat: i am trying.. though, you should actually try lubuntu
[16:26] <tuxhat> why
[16:26] <holstein> you can fire it up live, and see how the tools work
[16:26] <tuxhat> i have lxde-meta
[16:26] <holstein> tuxhat: you can then learn about how to get that functionality in gentoo if it works as expected
[16:26] <tuxhat> why would i need a debian base
[16:26] <holstein> tuxhat: you dont *need* dual monitors
[16:26] <tuxhat> doesnt matter lxde is lxde
[16:26] <holstein> im suggesting you try some lubuntu live setup to learn
[16:26] <tuxhat> to learn what
[16:26] <holstein> tuxhat: its a different version
[16:27] <tuxhat> hmm
[16:27] <holstein> tuxhat: to learn how to get support for the functionality you seek
[16:27] <tuxhat> but i dont get it
[16:27] <tuxhat> i have lxde
[16:27] <tuxhat> i am using it now
[16:27] <holstein> tuxhat: its a live CD.. its easy.. plus, you can communicate with the large ubuntu support base about your hardware
[16:27] <tuxhat> why do i need a ubuntu base ?
[16:27] <holstein> tuxhat: using what? lubuntu?
[16:27] <tuxhat> no
[16:27] <tuxhat> i dont need ubuntu
[16:28] <holstein> tuxhat: you dont need it.. its just a troubleshooting suggestion
[16:28] <tuxhat> what i need is to get lxde sorted
[16:28] <tuxhat> i need help
[16:28] <holstein> tuxhat: you can just run it live to test, and to learn, and to utilized the ubuntu support base
[16:28] <tuxhat> i will get the same problem with ubuntu
[16:28] <holstein> tuxhat: correct, but i and others in the community will be able to actually help you
[16:28] <tuxhat> doesnt matter what base i use its lxde within
[16:29] <tuxhat> so because i use gentoo u wont help me ?
[16:29] <tuxhat> thats sad
[16:29] <holstein> tuxhat: i dont use gentoo
[16:29] <tuxhat> doesnt matter its all unix shell mate
[16:29] <holstein> tuxhat: im offering a scenario where you can use the lubuntu CD ive
[16:29] <tuxhat> just different setting thats all
[16:29] <holstein> tuxhat: i am not going to be able to help you with gentoo
[16:29] <tuxhat> alright this is a waste of time
[16:29] <holstein> tuxhat: im not being rude, or asking you to leave
[16:29] <tuxhat> bye
[16:29] <holstein> im just saying, i cant help you with gentoo
[16:30] <holstein> im not a gentoo user
[16:30] <holstein> never used it
[16:30] <tuxhat> doesnt matter
[16:30] <tuxhat> its LXDE
[16:30] <tuxhat> the DE
[16:30] <tuxhat> DE
[16:30] <holstein> you fire up a live CD and i and others can help easier
[16:30] <tuxhat> DE
[16:30] <tuxhat> not the system
[16:30] <holstein> tuxhat: sure. but its a differt version
[16:30] <tuxhat> ubuntu is crap mate
[16:30] <tuxhat> i hate it
[16:30] <tuxhat> i wont use it
[16:30] <holstein> tuxhat: sure, and thats your opinion, and valide
[16:30] <holstein> tuxhat: but, we both know why you are here.. for the support
[16:30] <tuxhat> extactly now on topic about lxde dual head
[16:30] <holstein> and, you can get that by using the live CD
[16:31] <tuxhat> ok lets pretend i am using lubuntu
[16:31] <tuxhat> la la la
[16:31] <tuxhat> LULZ
[16:31] <tuxhat> ok my dual head not working
[16:31] <tuxhat> help ?
[16:31] <holstein> sure... maybe you want to take a picture to help me understand?
[16:32] <holstein> tuxhat: are you using the nvidia drivers from the ubuntu repos?
[16:32] <tuxhat> yes i am using the "binary" nvidia driver 304
[16:32] <tuxhat> not open source
[16:33] <holstein> tuxhat: from the ubuntu repos? of the nvidia site?
[16:33] <tuxhat> its the same drivers ;)
[16:33] <holstein> tuxhat: OK
[16:33] <tuxhat> gentoo, debian or arch or whatever
[16:33] <tuxhat> its all the same
[16:33] <tuxhat> 304 version
[16:33] <tuxhat> duh
[16:33] <tuxhat> ur not that smart eh
[16:34] <holstein> tuxhat: cool.. maybe you should try the gentoo mailing list?
[16:34] <holstein> tuxhat: maybe the maing LXDE ones
[16:34] <tuxhat> maybe lxde should shape up
[16:34] <tuxhat> i am gonna go back to xfce
[16:34] <tuxhat> it works
[16:34] <tuxhat> screw lxde
[16:34] <holstein> tuxhat: enjoy!
[19:12] <zorgborg> hi guys, anyway to stop my screen locking after about a minute even though lock screen settings are at after 20mins (still locks even when not set to lock)?
[19:13] <zorgborg> (ah forgot this is only when i close my laptop lid)
[19:15] <zorgborg> actually crap this is just me forgetting my power management settings, problem solved!
[19:16] <bioterror> :D
[19:26] <TheLordOfTime> heh
[19:26] <TheLordOfTime> that was fast :p
[19:27] <bioterror> we solve problems only with out presence
[19:27] <bioterror> with our
[19:28] <zleap> is anyone having issues printing from libreoffice calc under lubuntu
[19:28] <zleap> writer is fine,  calc seems to refuse to print


[14:42] <alo21> 581ù
[14:56] <alo21> how can I propose an upgrade of program for Raring?
[14:57] <mitya57> alo21: just file a bug
[14:57] <sladen> alo21: a new upstream version?  Is it in Debian?
[14:59] <alo21> sladen, upstream, and the code is entirely hosted on LP
[14:59] <tumbleweed> alo21: what is it?
[15:00] <alo21> tumbleweed, https://launchpad.net/subdownloader
[15:00] <tumbleweed> alo21: subdownloader is in Debian, so it's preferable to get it updated there
[15:01] <alo21> tumbleweed, I think so... but it take a lot of time
[15:01] <tumbleweed> it doesn't have to
[15:06] <sladen> alo21: here's a previous new upstream version bug for subdownloader in Debian:  http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=687126
[15:07] <alo21> sladen, yea
[15:08] <tumbleweed> presumably the NMU he prepared is http://mentors.debian.net/package/subdownloader
[15:08] <alo21> sladen, tumbleweed I will talk with maintainer.
[15:09] <tumbleweed> NMUing new upstream versions isn't something we do lightly in Debian
[15:09] <alo21> anyway I thought there is a faster way to upgrade package directly in ubuntu
[15:09] <tumbleweed> but I am in PAPT, and would be happy to do that as a team upload, if it's sane
[15:10] <tumbleweed> alo21: there is, but we don't use it without good reason
[15:10] <tumbleweed> (it only cuts out 12 hours or so, and leaves one with a mess that has to be cleaned up later)
[15:12] <alo21> tumbleweed, hhmmm as you can see in LP there is version 2.0.18. If you would/can port it in Debian you do me a huge pleasure
[15:12] <alo21> tumbleweed, could you?
[15:13] <tumbleweed> alo21: how about you prepare it, and I'll have a look?
[15:14] <alo21> tumbleweed, OK.
[15:14] <alo21> tumbleweed, prepare for debian right?
[15:14] <tumbleweed> yes
[15:15] <alo21> tumbleweed, unstable?
[15:15] <alo21> or testing?
[15:16] <mitya57> not testing!
[15:16] <tumbleweed> uploads in Debian always go to unstable (or experimental)
[15:16] <tumbleweed> in this case, the package isn't even in testing
[15:16] <tumbleweed> so, unstable it is
[15:17] <mitya57> ah, it has an rc bug that will be fixed with the new upstream version (debian bug 606993)
[15:17] <tumbleweed> actually, that doesn't appear to be fixed in the new upstream version
[15:17] <tumbleweed> but the package on mentors includes a patch for it
[15:19] <mitya57> the milestone in bug 306589 is set to 2.0.15, and the latest is 2.0.18
[15:19] <tumbleweed> oh, you're right
[15:21] <alo21> tumbleweed, is there some bug (in debian) which request an upgrade to 2.0.18??
[15:21] <tumbleweed> alo21: you can find all the debian bugs here: bugs.debian.org/src:subdownloader
[15:22] <tumbleweed> packages.qa.debian.org/subdownloader is a handy place to find most things about a package in Debian
[15:23] <alo21> tumbleweed, for example this bug (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=687126) is about version 2.0.14-1. Have I set this as fix, even if I will upgrade to 2.0.18?
[15:23]  * mitya57 doesn't think it's worth filing a new "update to new upstream version" bug when one is already open
[15:23] <tumbleweed> alo21: yes. mitya57: agreed
[15:26] <alo21> tumbleweed, Have to put LP bug too?
[15:26] <alo21> bugs*
[15:26] <tumbleweed> if you do they'll be automatically closed when it syncs to Ubuntu, so yes, it's a good idea
[15:35] <alo21> tumbleweed, is a problem if changelog's entries are not very human-understandable ?
[15:35] <alo21> tumbleweed, like    search (KeyError: 'MovieImdbRating')
[15:38] <tumbleweed> changelogs are for humans
[15:38] <tumbleweed> so, yes
[16:07] <alo21> tumbleweed, done! what files yo need?
[16:07] <alo21> you*
[16:09] <alo21> do you*
[16:10] <tumbleweed> alo21: how about a diff from the old debian/ directory to the new one?
[16:12] <alo21> tumbleweed, the file will be very heavy
[16:12] <tumbleweed> it shouldn't be
[16:12] <alo21> more than 15 bugs has been fixed
[16:13] <tumbleweed> presumabyl mostly upstream
[16:13] <tumbleweed> (clean the build trees first, obviously)
[16:14] <alo21> where?
[16:15] <tumbleweed> pastebin.debian.net?
[16:16] <alo21> tumbleweed, sorry, but I really did not understand
[16:17] <tumbleweed> alo21: the output of debdiff subdownloader_2.0.14-1.dsc subdownloader_2.0.18-1.dsc | filterdiff -i '*/debian/*'
[16:21] <alo21> tumbleweed, isn't OK if I do debdiff file1.dsc file2.dsc > difference.debdiff?
[16:22] <tumbleweed> well, that'll have lots of stuff that I don't want to see, but sure, I don't mind
[16:22] <alo21> tumbleweed, oh... the command you wrote before is in debian packaging guide?
[16:23] <tumbleweed> probably not
[16:23] <alo21> tumbleweed, may be I am fool, but can I create a diff on Ubuntu machine?
[16:24] <tumbleweed> yes
[16:25] <alo21> tumbleweed, really sorry if I annoying you, but what this command ( subdownloader_2.0.14-1.dsc subdownloader_2.0.18-1.dsc | filterdiff -i '*/debian/*') does?
[16:25] <tumbleweed> I assume you already know what debdiff does?
[16:25] <alo21> yes
[16:25] <tumbleweed> filterdiff filters a diff (in this case, removing everything except the debian directory)
[16:27] <alo21> tumbleweed, so... what you are really interested is debian folder only, because you will grab the source directly from LP. Right?
[16:27] <tumbleweed> yes
[16:29] <tumbleweed> if you look at what we have in PAPT SVN, you'll see it's only the debian directory http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/python-apps/packages/subdownloader/trunk/
[16:29] <alo21> now I really understood. Thanks for your time and explanation
[16:29] <tumbleweed> np (sorry, I try not to explain things too quickly - one learns more finding out for yourself)
[16:38] <alo21> tumbleweed, could you give me the entire command, please?
[16:39] <tumbleweed> I did earlier:
[16:39] <tumbleweed> debdiff  subdownloader_2.0.14-1.dsc  subdownloader_2.0.18-1.dsc | filterdiff -i  '*/debian/*'
[16:41] <alo21> tumbleweed, sorry, I missed a character... here is the output (http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1524136/)
[16:42] <alo21> I hope is OK
[16:42] <tumbleweed> I see what you mean about lots of bugs
[16:47] <mitya57> alo21: did you read http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=639003#10 ?
[16:49] <alo21> mitya57, without this python-qt4 the program never start
[16:50] <mitya57> alo21: doesn't it have a command-line interface?
[16:50] <alo21> mitya57, yes it has
[16:50] <mitya57> so, it will start :)
[16:51] <mitya57> you can also read the suggestion in the next command
[16:51] <mitya57> *comment
[16:53] <alo21> mitya57, I read it, in fact there is the same bug in LP, I will try to fix the bug later. But not now
[16:54] <alo21> mitya57, but you right...
[16:55] <alo21> may be I have to put back python-qt as recommends
[16:58] <alo21> mitya57, sorry... I leave it as depends... and I try to make double binary package as soon as possible.
[16:59] <mitya57> alo21: thanks
[17:01] <alo21> mitya57, I explain why... if I put python-qt as recommend, most of the people would start the gui without knowing that subdownloader will never work without python-qt package, and they think is a bug
[17:02] <mitya57> "most of the people" will have python-qt4 installed as it's in recommends
[17:03] <alo21> mitya57, if python-qt4 is as recommend, the package will never installed automatically
[17:04] <mitya57> alo21: all tools I know (u-s-c, apt(itude), synaptic) install recommended packages by default
[17:05] <alo21> mitya57, hhhmmm... if is as you said.... why someone fill that big? it is weird
[17:06] <tumbleweed> alo21: you shouldn't need debian/dirs. debian/subdownloader-cli.install is totally unused. you shouldn't need subdownloader.postinst (which is currentnly pretty weird)
[17:07] <tumbleweed> (and yes, this package is currently not the prettiest package)
[17:10] <alo21> tumbleweed, I didn't set up the package (debian folder). I just fixed some bugs. Anyway I would like that you (if you want) make a re-stylish
[17:11] <alo21> tumbleweed, or you could get in touch with Marco Rodriguez
[17:11] <alo21> the debian maintainer
[17:12] <alo21> and talk about it
[17:12] <tumbleweed> alo21: I'm not suggesting you make it prettier, I'm just talking about changes you made
[17:22] <alo21> tumbleweed, OK. subdownloader-cli can be deleted. But I didn't make any changes in .postinst and debian/dirs
[17:23] <alo21> or I didn't create them
[17:23] <tumbleweed> alo21: your patch says you did
[17:24] <alo21> tumbleweed, the debdiff?
[17:24] <tumbleweed> yeah
[17:25] <alo21> tumbleweed, I am not the only developer.. may be someone else did it. Let me check something..
[17:27] <alo21> tumbleweed, in fact, for example .postinstall file has been chnages by Ivan Garcia
[17:28] <tumbleweed> alo21: how did you get it then? it's not in the tarball provided by the upstream
[17:29] <alo21> tumbleweed, are you talking about: https://launchpad.net/subdownloader/trunk/2.0.18  ?
[17:31] <tumbleweed> alo21: https://launchpad.net/subdownloader/trunk/2.0.18/+download/subdownloader_2.0.18.orig.tar.gz
[17:32] <tumbleweed> anyway, we almost never take debian packaging from the upstream. we ignore their packaging and do our own
[17:33]  * tumbleweed goes out for a bit
[17:35] <alo21> this is because I took the source form the trunk, not from the link above, and may be the files are a little bit different


[00:01] <Bashing-om> ifdef42: ISRT makes me think of raid meta data remaining, see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2038121. Might be good to use 'wipefs' to check ?
[00:02] <Squarism> if you install programs manually - and multiuser isnt important, where should one put them?
[00:03] <Squarism> ~/.local ? ~/bin ?
[00:12] <ifdef42> Bashing-om, the hard drive was brand new... but i guess maybe the RST hardware has some memory. it was showing up as like an option rom in preboot but now i don't see it. maybe if i stick the msata back in. not sure how much i care, pain to take apart. :D thx for all the suggestions
[00:13] <Bashing-om> ifdef42: Is but a thought -  "sudo wipefs /dev/sda". Note that you should not just trust me that that command is safe (even though it is), you should run "man wipefs" and confirm for yourself that the command will just list all visible filesystems (and in this case, RAID metadata) and their offsets.
[01:37] <cgipython> I want to upgrade ubuntu 18 to 20 and want to backup my 18 on a usb drive - what software should i use to backup?
[01:42] <SpeedrunnerG55> i am running ubuntu 20.04 my logitech G430's disappears fromt he audio device list whenever i plug in my phone or start up steam. it disappears and reappears every few seconds for a while while staying active for only about 1/2 a second
[01:50] <Bashing-om> cgipython: Might consider: https://9to5linux.com/ubuntu-based-rescuezilla-1-0-6-arrives-as-the-swiss-army-knife-of-system-recovery .
[01:52] <cgipython> Bashing-om, Is there a way to use it on my 18.04 instead of bootin from usb? It would be nice if i can create a bootable version of my 18.04 as an image on the usb drive
[01:53] <Bashing-om> !backup | cgipython
[01:54] <cgipython> Bashing-om, thanks. I started with duplicity
[01:54] <cgipython> then will upgrade 20.04 - or perhaps install a fresh version - not sure
[01:55] <Bashing-om> cgipython: There are so many ways :) - most depends on the use case and experience.
[01:56] <cgipython> I wish duplicity would show an ETA
[01:56] <cgipython> seems like its going to take all night
[02:53] <lamiastella> my ctrl+c and ctrl+v doesn't do the copy paste in Ubuntu 20.04 anyone else having same issue?
[02:56] <lotuspsychje> anyone notice loginloop on ubuntu-desktop 20.04 after recent updates kernel 5.4.0-37-generic
[03:38] <Kon> Hi today's dbus package update for Bionic broke my system audio so I'm trying to roll back. I could in theory roll back to the original April 2018 version still in the repo, but I'm wondering if there's any way at all I could track down the previous -ubuntu1.1  package from bionic-updates
[03:40] <kyle__> lamiastella: console or in gnome/kde programs?
[03:42] <lamiastella> kyle__:  only doesn't work in terminal
[03:42] <lamiastella> for example ctrl+c works here in IRC kyle__
[03:43] <kyle__> lamiastella: Most terminals use ctrl+shit+c ctrl+shift+v
[03:43] <lamiastella> kyle__: ctrl+shift+c doesn't work as well in terminal
[03:44] <lamiastella> oh never mind it works thanks a lot kyle__
[03:44] <kyle__> No problem :)
[03:46] <lamiastella> (11:36:42 AM) mona: Hi, I get this error on 20.04 [   13.386440] uvcvideo 1-9:1.0: Entity type for entity Camera 1 was not initialized! how should I fix it?
[03:51] <oerheks> we need more info, what webcam, and hardware specs?
[05:06] <user01> hi, you can't have a username with a space in it, right? there is some POSIX restriction on it?
[05:07] <user01> a user asked me and I said they couldn't but when they asked why I really didn't have an answer
[05:13] <Jordan_U> user01: https://serverfault.com/questions/73084/what-characters-should-i-use-or-not-use-in-usernames-on-linux
[05:28] <nsaunders> how can I get tab completion with xmllint so that I can type "xmllint foo.xsl" press tab and it will fill in the "t"?
[05:29] <nsaunders> or just "xsl foo" and it will tab complete "foo.xslt"  - as works with "xmllint bar" for "xmllint bar.xml"?
[05:53] <raddy> Hello
[05:54] <raddy> AppArmor is interfering with mysqld startup
[05:54] <raddy> I have edited the configuration file and added exceptions
[05:54] <raddy> But I am not finding any improvements
[06:19] <ld50> nsaunders: try fish shell
[06:57] <nsaunders> ld50: can't do that with bash?
[06:58] <ld50> nsaunders: dunno, i'm not a bash user anymore since fish is so much better. you can install fish and try it by simply invoking "fish" from your bash shell, no need to change your default shell
[07:05] <worrelsik> @nsaunders, Tab twice?
[07:07] <worrelsik> Maybe you have another file that qualifies for completion, and Tab'ing once has not enough info to decide which filename to choose for completion
[07:07] <nsaunders> worrelsik: nope
[07:07] <nsaunders> it's something specific to xmllint so far as I can tell.  it works for .xml files, not for .xslt
[07:18] <snake-venom> hi, wonder if there is some gui tool to store terminal ssh connection, similar to MacOS
[07:24] <Shillos> snake-venom: try putty
[07:24] <vlt> snake-venom: Not GUI but there’s ~/.ssh/config.
[07:40] <Monotoko> mobaxterm works with a bit of WINE as well
[07:40] <Monotoko> vscode has SSH/SCP built in
[07:41] <viktor_> Hi all. I'm (still) trying to install nextcloud on my server. I installed the snap but the website still isn't up. "snap info nextcloud" says service "nexctcloud.apache" is enabled but inactive. maybe it's on apache while i'm on apache2? Or what could be the problem?
[07:41] <indyZ> mobaxterm is what I used in windows, I liked it. lots of features, more than putty
[07:42] <lotuspsychje> viktor_: try #ubuntu-server perhaps
[07:52] <nsaunders> ld50: interesting
[07:54] <ld50> nsaunders: try hitting tab repeatedly for a nice menu of possible completions. also, strg-r is not supported unfortunately but you can type a substring and hit the up-arrow for possible history matches
[07:58] <nsaunders> ld50: what's strg-r?
[08:02] <ld50> nsaunders: oh, sorry, ctrl-r. on german keyboards ctrl is called strg, i forgot for a moment :D
[08:02] <ld50> ("control" vs. "steuerung")
[08:03] <nsaunders> haha
[08:57] <ai_lion> Hi, everyone.
[08:58] <ai_lion> I've been struggling with Ubuntu based distros for a whole day.
[08:59] <ai_lion> My brand new laptop has AMD R9-4900H + Nvidia RTX 2060 inside.
[08:59] <nsaunders> ai_lion: what's the q?
[09:00] <ai_lion> All ubuntu based distros fails to run on this laptop.
[09:00] <nsaunders> I'm no expert, but I'll give it a shot
[09:00] <ai_lion> The problem is mainly on Nvidia RTX 2060.
[09:00] <nsaunders> ai_lion: having no idea, I'd go out on a limb and speculate it's nvidia video drivers or something similar
[09:01] <ai_lion> I've tested daily build as well but still not able to solve the problem.
[09:01] <nsaunders> yeah...can you just install maybe a plain vanilla version then add a kernel module later for eh driver?
[09:02] <ai_lion> However, openSUSE tumbleweed works like a charm, which is embarrassing.
[09:02] <nsaunders> ai_lion:  I'm not sure, just giving my two cents.  A question on askubuntu might help also.  my knowledge is limited to "knowing" that proprietary drivers are a problem
[09:03] <nsaunders> ohhhh, so that's useful info.  what does modprobe say about which drivers it's using?
[09:03] <ai_lion> "ubuntu nouveau fifo sched_error 08" is what I got as error message.
[09:04] <nsaunders> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/man1/nvidia-modprobe.1.html
[09:04] <ai_lion> Nearly all posts talking about this issue says I need to add graphics-drivers/ppa
[09:05] <nsaunders> what I'd want to know, in your scenario, would be what kernel modules openSUSE is using..
[09:05] <nsaunders> my two cents, hope that helps.  bye for now.
[09:06] <nsaunders> but, yes, adding a ppa sounds like a good idea...did you try that?  (I'm tired, so I'll let others, who know more, help you.)
[09:06] <toffe> Hi guys, according to timedatectl docs it says it uses: 1. DHCP, 2. Configured from /etc/systemd/timesyncd.conf and 3. FallbackNTP from same file.
[09:06] <ai_lion> nsaunders: Thanks. I will try have a look about kernel version and kernel module info.
[09:07] <toffe> When checking that file both are commented out still it works, any idea on there the 4th choice is? :P
[09:07] <ai_lion> That PPA doesn't work.
[09:08] <ai_lion> It's empty in "Additional Drivers"
[09:09] <ai_lion> I've also tries `apt install nvidia-driver-440` and/or download the ".run" driver from nvidia's website.
[09:09] <ai_lion> None of them works.
[09:14] <FatalFUUU> Is org.gnome.desktop.background show-desktop-icons not valid in 20.04 now ?
[09:16] <ai_lion> nsaunders: I will reinstall openSUSE in 20 mins, then I will be able to provide any info needed.
[10:00] <ai_lion> nsaunders: I've confirmed that openSUSE has a newer version of nouveau which works for RTX 2060 Mobile.
[10:04] <ai_lion> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/groovy-desktop-amd64.iso
[10:04] <ai_lion> This daily build doesn't work either.
[10:12] <dex1983> hi
[10:16] <nsaunders> ai_lion: did you find out which kernel openSUSE uses?
[10:18] <dex1983> I do not have a clue what I am doing wrong with ubuntu lts, if I try it with software raid, install it on one disk, everytime I get "grub install dummy failed"
[10:21] <dex1983> What I am doing wrong :-(
[10:28] <seven-eleven> hi
[10:28] <seven-eleven> how can I change a dependency of a debian package?
[10:28] <seven-eleven> do I have to download the tar.gz manually or can I access it directly from apt cache somewhere?
[10:34] <ai_lion> nsaunders: 5.7.1-1-default
[10:35] <dex1983> has someone an idea?
[10:35] <MrElendig> seven-eleven: you would have to make your own deb with the changes
[10:36] <ai_lion> dex1983: Ubuntu will always let you down if you use soft raid.
[10:36] <MrElendig> sounds like a xyproblem though
[10:36] <seven-eleven> MrElendig, found this short instruction, currently trying to install it https://serverfault.com/a/383958
[10:36] <ai_lion> It happens on 14.04, 16.04, 18.04 and 20.04 as far as I know.
[10:36] <dex1983> omg
[10:36] <seven-eleven> MrElendig, actual problem is that bareos (bacula fork) doesn't ship a package for ubuntu 20.04 yet, so im gonna try to package it myself :-)
[10:36] <dex1983> but I also cannot install it the normal way on one hdd
[10:37] <dex1983> dummy grub fails
[10:37] <seven-eleven> and bareos-bconsole depends on libreadline7, so I changed it now to libreadline8
[10:37] <ai_lion> You will see the fancy grub2 cli once you complete the installation "successfully".
[10:38] <MrElendig> seven-eleven: that might not work well if this is some binary software
[10:38] <MrElendig> and not open source
[10:38] <dex1983> yeah when booting I get the grub shell :-(
[10:38] <dex1983> thats all
[10:40] <seven-eleven> MrElendig, found the source code here: https://github.com/bareos/bareos/releases
[10:41] <MrElendig> you want to build the deb from source then, not "hack" the dependecy array for the existing .deb (without rebuilding the code)
[10:42] <MrElendig> else you might in best case end up with "libfoo.so.5 does not exit" or worst case end up with silent corrution
[10:42] <MrElendig> corruption*
[10:42] <seven-eleven> oh right
[10:44] <seven-eleven> MrElendig, i think im going to wait it out and leave 18.04 on the backup vm
[10:44] <MrElendig> usually not that hard to just bump the deb as needed
[10:44] <seven-eleven> my first attempt failed dpkg: Fehler beim Bearbeiten des Archivs bareos-bconsole_19.2.4-4_amd64.deb (--install): Unterprozess dpkg-split gab den Fehlerwert 2 zurück :-)
[10:45] <MrElendig> LANG=C makes the error messages more useful for the rest of us
[10:46] <seven-eleven> I think i packaged it wrongly with `tar --ignore-failed-read -cvf control.tar.xz postinst postrm{post,pre}{inst,rm} md5sums control`
[10:47] <nsaunders> ai_lion: 5.7.1-1 default what?  I don't mean the kernel (although I suppose that matters) so much as the kernel modules...
[10:48] <nsaunders> presumably nvidia just needs some specific kernel module.  I'm making a ton of assumptions and have no deep understanding of drivers, but that's at least what I gather.  Have you tried the ppa which was suggested?
[10:48] <ai_lion> nsaunders: 5.7.1-1-default is the kernel openSUSE uses.
[10:49] <ai_lion> "5.7.1-1-default"
[10:49] <seven-eleven> MrElendig, if I run `tar --ignore-failed-read -cvf control.tar.xz {post,pre}{inst,rm} md5sums control` tar complains there would be no postinst or postrm, but they exist
[10:49] <ai_lion> It's nothing to do with the PPA on this step because openSUSE uses nouveau too.
[10:50] <nsaunders> ai_lion: so it's not using *any* kernel modules at all?  that seems extremely unlikely.  OpenSUSE is almost certainly running some sort of nvidia modules..
[10:50] <ai_lion> It uses "nouveau".
[10:51] <nsaunders> ore-failed-read -cvf control.tar.xz {post,pre}{inst,rm} md5sums control`  ▒│
[10:51] <nsaunders> │tar complains there would be no postinst or postrm, but they exist                                                               ▒│
[10:51] <nsaunders> │(03:49:52) ai_lion: It's nothing to do with the PPA on this step because openSUSE uses nouveau too.                              ▒│
[10:51] <nsaunders> https://unix.stackexchange.com/q/184877/101935
[10:51] <nsaunders> whoops.  but try that link
[10:52] <nsaunders> lsmod shows me the modules I have loaded...probably if you run lsmod in OpenSUSE it will show you something useful..
[10:53] <ai_lion> Just as I said, "nouveau" is the kernel module that drives RTX 2060.
[10:54] <ai_lion> The only difference is that Ubuntu doesn't have the latest version of nouveau so I may just need to install a newer version.
[10:55] <nsaunders> ai_lion: ahh
[10:57] <LordDoskias> hello i have a realtek alc1220 codec on my mb but pacmd list-sinks shows that the driver in use is snd_hda_intel? I do have audio but i *think* quality is subpar
[10:57] <ai_lion> Do we have Ubuntu builds that are more progressive than daily build?
[10:58] <JellyIsAwesome> would you recommend using freenas as a nas
[11:01] <seven-eleven> MrElendig, this worked for me: https://serverfault.com/a/859394
[11:02] <MrElendig> LordDoskias: that is the correct driver
[11:02] <benfrancis> popey (or any other discourse.ubuntu.com moderator): Sorry to bug you but I'm trying to post a new post on the Appliance category on discourse.ubuntu.com to propose a new appliance but I get an error that says "You are not permitted to view the requested resource." This thread
[11:02] <benfrancis> (https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/you-are-not-permitted-to-view-the-requested-resource-error-when-luisp-is-trying-to-post/16226) suggests this is a permissions problem and says to message a moderator for a permissions bump, but I'm apparently not allowed to do that either... any chance you could help? My username is krellian.
[11:03] <MrElendig> LordDoskias: alc1220 is just one of many implementations of the intel hda spec
[11:03] <LordDoskias> MrElendig, right, are there some settings i can play with to see if i can get better quality ?
[11:03] <MrElendig> LordDoskias: depends on what you mean by "better quality"
[11:04] <MrElendig> also what people think about audio quality and the actual objective quality often varies massively
[11:05] <MrElendig> one example is vinyl and tube amps which every audiophile raves about. Technically they are quite bad, they give you a lot of distortion
[11:05] <FatalFUUU> Is org.gnome.desktop.background show-desktop-icons not valid in 20.04 now ?
[11:05] <LordDoskias> MrElendig, for example listening to this track: https://youtu.be/1vWqW9tI2kg i feel like there isn't enough bass. It's as if i;m hearing mostly high pitch i.e the vocals
[11:05] <FatalFUUU> even the default extension in tweak tool does nothing
[11:05] <LordDoskias> at the same time i can hear that there is some bass in the background but as if it can't come out and is "stifled", true that this might be subjective
[11:05] <MrElendig> LordDoskias: you can use an eq to distorte the audio to your liking
[11:06] <MrElendig> LordDoskias: it is often done automaticly on windows
[11:06] <MrElendig> LordDoskias: give pulseeffect a try
[11:07] <MrElendig> https://github.com/wwmm/pulseeffects
[11:08] <LordDoskias> MrElendig, that package seems rather invasive in that it actually upgrades pulse audio ?
[11:08] <lesshaste> my ssd drive stopped booting (it just hang part way through the boot) so I am booting off a usb live ubuntu distro.  I tried to reinstall linux but it said there are unresolved errors. How can I find these errors? Which tool should I be using?
[11:09] <lesshaste> it sends me to the partition page but I am not sure how I am meant to resolv anything from there
[11:10] <yolan> Hello, my python is broken :(
[11:10] <yolan> I can't install dependency on 20.04
[11:11] <quadrathoch2> dex1983 you still there? ^^
[11:23] <b3n10> hi guys , anyone using clipmenu in ubuntu? is there a deb/snap package for it?
[11:30] <b3n10> no one uses clipmenu in ubuntu?
[11:33] <quadrathoch2> b3n10 doesn't seem like it
[11:34] <b3n10> quadrathoch2: alrighty, no problemo
[11:35] <b3n10> i'll try installing from source then
[11:37] <seven-eleven> MrElendig, what is your favorite backup software, just rsync?
[11:39] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | seven-eleven
[11:44] <MrElendig> seven-eleven: prepare to be assimilated
[11:44] <lotuspsychje> FatalFUUU: dconf-editor
[11:45]  * MrElendig uses borg
[11:45] <seven-eleven> thanks!
[11:46] <b3n10> ok installed clipmenu from source, not that hard. But now I need to start it once logged in, where can i save my script?
[11:46] <lotuspsychje> afternoon ioria
[11:47] <ioria> lotuspsychje, hey lotus; all good ?
[11:47] <lotuspsychje> ioria: just for info Bug #1843982 occured to me this morning, yeah all good : )
[11:47] <lotuspsychje> after updates, loginloop
[11:49] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[11:49] <ioria> lotuspsychje, sounds bad
[11:50] <zamba> how do i install the linux debug symbols?
[11:50] <zamba> is it from a special apt repo+
[11:52] <seven-eleven> should I A) (focal) switch to borg B) (focal) go through the hassle and setup bareos on focal (i could get libreadline8 to work with bareos using a symlink in /lib/x86.., but now i got a postgresql version issue which I have to fix)  or C)  (bionic) stick to bionic and wait it out until *eventually* bareos maintainers support focal?
[11:53] <dex1983> yeah quadrathoch2 sill here again :-(
[11:54] <quadrathoch2> dex1983 so what are you planning again/
[11:54] <quadrathoch2> ?
[11:56] <dex1983> try to make it to install ubuntu but with no effort :-/
[11:56] <dex1983> :-(
[11:56] <MrElendig> seven-eleven: never symlink .so's they are versioned for good reasons
[11:56] <dex1983> always have the problem with grub dummy installer
[11:56] <MrElendig> rebuild from source instead
[11:56] <seven-eleven> ok
[11:57] <dex1983> also without software raid
[11:57] <dex1983> on normal hdd it fails for testing
[11:59] <quadrathoch2> dex1983 Oo hm, what board/laptop do you got?
[12:00] <dex1983> https://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/E3V5%20WS/
[12:00] <dex1983> freenas worked with it over  3 years without problems
[12:02] <quadrathoch2> dex1983 if I remember correctly you already looked into the efi for your ahci mode or?
[12:03] <dex1983> ahci hmm let me have look
[12:05] <b3n10> have a good day guys
[12:05] <toffe> /exit
[12:05] <toffe> /e/ex
[12:06] <dex1983> legacy and ahci is activated
[12:08] <quadrathoch2> dex1983 you want to install legacy mode? or efi
[12:11] <dex1983> the method which works g :-)
[12:11] <dex1983> efi does not work
[12:12] <quadrathoch2> dex1983 okay, so just make sure to boot into bios mode then
[12:12] <skyliner_369> Okay why would a package uninstall without me uninstalling it myself? telegram-desktop just kinda... poof
[12:13] <lotuspsychje> skyliner_369: the one from apt?
[12:13] <skyliner_369> yeah. I try to stick to using apt instead of the software center
[12:13] <dex1983> yeah I tried that too will not boot prepared stick with rufus
[12:13] <dex1983> but only uefi works :-(
[12:14] <dex1983> I will try it now with cent os for testing
[12:14] <lotuspsychje> skyliner_369: check your dpkg logs
[12:14] <quadrathoch2> dex1983 honestly I would choose balena etcher, as rufus has sometimes some hiccups
[12:14] <skyliner_369> okay. Where would they be?
[12:15] <dex1983> ah ok maybe thats the problem thanks a lot
[12:17] <skyliner_369> ... dafuq? now I have 2 installed instances...
[12:17] <skyliner_369> unless one is a snap?
[12:18] <lotuspsychje> df -h and apt policy foo, to the rescue
[12:28] <asdfgh> hello
[12:28] <asdfgh> does the software i install via snap has a chroot env to run into?
[12:29] <asdfgh> for exmaple
[12:29] <asdfgh>  /dev/loop43      18M   18M       0 100% /snap/gedit/605
[12:29] <asdfgh> (running df -h)
[12:39] <dex1983> cent os worked witout a problem in uefi mode and was is bootable
[12:39] <dex1983> now trying it with etcher and ubuntu lts
[12:46] <quadrathoch2> dex1983 hope it works
[12:58] <Guest_999> Hi
[13:01] <dex1983> yeah me too
[13:01] <dex1983> the n try :D
[13:02] <dex1983> getting to start ubuntu
[13:02] <dex1983> hate ubuntu
[13:02] <Guest_999> Hi dex
[13:03] <Guest_999> Is there someone can read my text
[13:03] <kyle__> Not unless your phone has been comrpomised.  Don't be som paranoid.
[13:04] <Velarde> you can always use Signal
[13:04] <dex1983> hi Guest_999
[13:04] <Guest_999> hi
[13:05] <Guest_999> I'm using web version on my phone:)
[13:05] <Guest_999> I have a question long ago
[13:05] <Guest_999> How could i handle BGRT
[13:06] <Guest_999> To change boot logo
[13:06] <Guest_999> Is there someone can tell me how?
[13:07] <Guest_999> I know it can be done with changing my bios firmware
[13:08] <Guest_999> But i could not found the right bios mod
[13:08] <kyle__> Guest_999: Are you talking about the ubuntu splash screen, the linux kernel display (which ubuntu users don't usually see), or the actual image your mobo shows long before it gets to an OS?
[13:08] <Guest_999> I mean image from the mobo
[13:09] <Guest_999> I cannot change it
[13:09] <Guest_999> So there is two logo at boot time
[13:10] <Guest_999> First the mobo logo
[13:10] <kyle__> Sometimes you can access & change parts of the bios flash from inside linux.  I know I've managed dell desktops before where I could just copy the file from a box with the right settings to all the others from linux.
[13:10] <Guest_999> Then ubuntu splash screen
[13:11] <kyle__> Yeah.  That's going to be so super spcific to your mobo I'm afraid.
[13:12] <Guest_999> Can you explain it more? Where i can find it?
[13:12] <Guest_999> Is it on boot folder
[13:13] <Guest_999> Bios memory also not listed on dev
[13:13] <Guest_999> I hope i can bypass it just as i edit shadow file or etc
[13:19] <dex1983> nope also debian sucks thats annoying
[13:19] <dex1983> :-(
[13:19] <dex1983> cent os works
[13:37] <kyle__> No, it's not going to be anything at all in your boot folder.  There will be some bios setting that lets you disable or change the boot logo.  For some bioses it will also include a utility you can run to change the logo from within your os, and in some you can hack away on it from any os, but that's super super specifc to each model.
[13:37] <kyle__> Think of it this way: your bios comes up and will dispaly that image no matter what.  Even if no OS is ever loaded.  So it happens way before the boot folder is ever accessed
[13:53] <fmcs> Hello, is it so uncommon to have two OSs on two separate SSDs with full disk encryption?
[13:59] <fmcs> Why in 2020 is it so difficult to install ubuntu on a second SSD with lvm/luks? AFAIK is not even possible to do that with the custom partitioning inside the installer. I had to do it manually.. with anaconda is basically automatic, you select the disk you want to use, custom partitioning, and then it autoconfigures lvm/luks in few clicks.. please tell me I'm terribly wrong and there is a simpler way
[14:13] <AlexMax> I've been having freezing issues that I have been unable to figure out by looking in the usual places.  Logs don't tell me anything directly, merely suggest things that happen as a result of the freeze (gnome not getting any input events, can't connect to my suddenly missing monitor, that sort of thing.
[14:13] <AlexMax> Last time I froze, I was listening to music, and the music actually continued to play just fine, no buffer loop or anything.
[14:14] <AlexMax> however my attempts to switch to a virtual terminal didn't work
[14:17] <AlexMax> I was hoping that perhaps updating my kernel might help get things under control - first, my graphics card uses in-kernel drivers and is notoriously unstable even on Windows, and second before Ubuntu I was running Fedora 31 which seemed to be on top of kernel updates and I don't remember having issues like this.
[14:18] <AlexMax> So I suppose my question is, what is the suggested spot to get up to date kerenel releases for Ubuntu 20.04?
[14:50] <kyle__> AlexMax: Do the logs say your HID devices were disappearing from USB? From X/waylaynd?
[14:54] <AlexMax> https://paste.ee/p/ASHby
[14:54] <AlexMax> kyle__: These are the interesting things from my journal from last boot
[14:55] <AlexMax> The last two times I crashed, I was in Firefox, and there was some sort of fancy animation going on, like zooming in on a map or doing a throbber waiting on some backend process
[14:56] <AlexMax> Not that I blame firefox - if firefox crashes, it's firefox's problem, if firefox crashes my entire machine it's Linux's problem.
[15:18] <kyle__> Those look like 100% from the xorg, not the OS level.  Something really funky is going on there.  If it was at a linux or kernel level, you would see usb devices attaching and detaching
[15:19] <kyle__> (which does happen if the mobo is going, or more usually if the usb device is dying)
[15:25] <AppAraat[m]> hi, is the gnupg package on 18.04 and 20.04 repackaged from Debian?
[15:27] <PETURBG> hi
[15:27] <PETURBG> my cleients has this: warning: TLS library problem: error:14094418:SSL routines:ssl3_read_bytes:t
[15:27] <PETURBG> unknown ca:../ssl/record/rec_layer_s3.c:1544:SSL alert number 48:
[15:33] <kyle__> AppAraat[m]: I'm pretty sure it's rebuilt on ubuntu, but I do believe ubuntu has their own maintainers for it
[15:33] <kyle__> https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/gnupg
[15:42] <PETURBG> ?unknown ca:../ssl/record/rec_layer_s3.c:1544:SSL alert number 48:
[16:31] <jwhitmore> Back gain with printer issues. For some reason if I manually add the Brother HL-L2350DW printer, (which was bought after checking that it was Linux compatible) then when I plug in the printer Ubuntu added another printer for the printer. That would be great, if what Ubuntu added actually worked. 'dmesg' is telling me that at the end of processing when the printer is plugged into a USB port is the line 'usblp0:removed'
[16:33] <jwhitmore> So when I plug in the printer Ubuntu adds it then removes it.
[16:35] <sumagna> where are the desktop files or executable files for the app added to the dock stored?
[16:38] <sumagna> my editor(atom) is opening with some files(emptying them totally) which when tampered with can render my editor useless and unusable
[16:39] <sumagna> i think there is some erroneous line in the file which is executed when atom is opened from the dock
[16:42] <sumagna> i mean the general desktop file for Applications in the system menu
[16:45] <kyle__> jwhitmore: Not that it's a great solution, BUT, those generally work flawlessly with vanilla IPP.   On 18.04 - is it recommended to use "-d" to goto 20.04?
[17:39] <cgi> I was hoping 20.04 is no longer a dev version?
[17:39] <lotuspsychje> !ltsupgrade | cgi
[17:40] <cgi> lotuspsychje, thank you!
[17:41] <cgi> is there a way to ban certain websites from google results?
[17:41] <beowuff> Hay, I'm trying find documentation on PackageKit.conf file. I need to set the proxy, as Software Center is not pulling it from either settings ro /etc/environment...
[18:11] <Squarism> Is there some trick to open a folder with sudo rights in nautilus? Or atleast copy a file onto a root owned directory?
[18:12] <C0nundrum> s i think i somehow removed my network drivers
[18:12] <C0nundrum> if i boot from a live cd and can i update the packages
[18:12] <lotuspsychje> Squarism: ctrl + l admin:///
[18:16] <Squarism> lotuspsychje, thansks
[18:17] <lotuspsychje> C0nundrum: some chipsets like broadcom can be installed from the live media, in /pool
[18:18] <User1231> Not spam, need support. View + put "thumbs UP": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUt6HIgfQgo
[18:18] <lotuspsychje> User1231: thats not ubuntu related
[18:21] <C0nundrum> i'm using a live usb
[18:21] <C0nundrum> when i chroot to it i loose internet connection.
[18:22] <C0nundrum> Is there a way bind mount the directories apt relies on to the mount
[18:25] <C0nundrum> ok copying resolve.conf worked
[18:26] <C0nundrum> is there a base package i can reinstall for broadcom ?
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> !broadcom | C0nundrum
[18:29] <lotuspsychje> C0nundrum: STA - no internet access
[18:35] <Jfalken> Greets everyone. I'm having an issue with waking from suspend in xubuntu 20.04. After I open the lid of the laptop back up, I get prompted for my password to log back in, and after I enter it, everything just freezes.  pm-utils shows suspend, hibernate and suspend-hybrid is all supported, but I can't track down this freeze.  Any suggestions?
[18:41] <C0nundrum> ugh..
[18:42] <C0nundrum> still shows the interface as unclaimed
[18:50] <C0nundrum> Does that exclusively mean that i am missing drivers ?
[18:51] <lotuspsychje> C0nundrum: yes, unclaimed means driver didnt load
[18:51] <seven-eleven> hi
[18:51] <seven-eleven> how can I fix the  libc6 error bug during upgrade https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glibc/+bug/1867423
[18:51] <C0nundrum> hm
[18:51] <newbsduser> Hi team, do you know a remote mgmt supported log collector client for linux? I want to collect /var/log/messages, audit logs and some additional custom logs, I  want to monitor agent status, and I want to remotely configure these agents.
[18:51] <seven-eleven> apparently something installed a wrong libcrypt1 and now the do-release-upgrade fails from 18.04 to 20.04
[18:52] <seven-eleven> how can I "reinstall libcrypt1" so that it is the correct one
[18:52] <lotuspsychje> seven-eleven: thats an old bug that should already got fixed by now
[18:53] <seven-eleven> lotuspsychje, should be fixed, but somehow my ubuntu distro still carries a wrong libcrypt1 for some reason
[18:53] <seven-eleven> and i installed all updates for 18.04
[18:53] <seven-eleven> so how can I purge the wrong one manually and make sure i get the right one
[18:54] <seven-eleven> https://dpaste.org/8WZx
[19:07] <seven-eleven> this happened now at the second host i wanted to upgrade hm
[19:07] <seven-eleven> what do you recommend to do? should I reinstall from scratch 20.04. then?
[19:13] <lakitu> can i download debian packages thru apt-get say *for a different version than my current OS*?
[19:15] <sarnold> lakitu: configure deb-src lines for the other release -- then apt-get source -t foo bar   or apt-get source bar/foo  will do the trick
[19:15] <lakitu> ok - will work with that / try
[19:17] <leeyaa> hello
[19:17] <leeyaa> can you guys recommend an alternative to katello subscription manager ?
[19:17] <leeyaa> i need a gui that i can use to manage multiple servers packages versions.
[19:19] <sarnold> leeyaa: perhaps landscape? https://landscape.canonical.com/
[19:21] <leeyaa> sarnold a bit too expensive
[19:21] <leeyaa> although I am considering it if I dont manage to find something free
[19:46] <ZeNEX> Hello. Using Ubuntu 20.04, installing 'xfonts-terminus' but it never shows up on the fonts list anywhere, this always worked before, what's going on?
[19:46] <oerheks> did you logout/login or recreated the font cache?
[19:47] <nsaunders> how do I install xidel?
[19:48] <ZeNEX> oerheks, have not done either
[19:48] <nsaunders> http://www.videlibri.de/xidel.html
[19:48] <oerheks> ZeNEX,  it is in the wiki, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fonts
[19:49] <oerheks> nsaunders, if it is not in our repos, sudo dpkg -i <package>.deb
[19:49] <nsaunders> oerheks: it's not listed..
[19:49] <ZeNEX> I did sudo fc-cache -f -v, still no luck
[19:49] <oerheks> indeed, i did not find it either, maybe someone made a ppa
[19:50] <ZeNEX> Might try logout/login
[19:51] <nsaunders> okay
[19:51] <nsaunders> oerheks: thx
[19:51] <oerheks> have fun!
[19:52] <ZeNEX> I fixed it: I used package 'fonts-terminus' instead of 'xfonts-terminus' not sure why that fixed it...
[19:54] <oerheks> oh, good spot ..
[20:43] <thelounge3495> I've got a server running that has an issue where if the box loses network (network cable unplugged, router reboots, etc) then the interface never gets a new IP address and only a reboot resolves the issue. I've tried restarting systemd-networkd, ip link dev down / up, but no luck. Anyone have any ideas on what could be the problem?
[20:44] <oerheks> one, i would assign a dedicated ip to a server, how would you manage the ports to the wan? and in the router a mac filter if available.
[20:44] <oerheks> so it should never get a new ip, it can reconnect
[20:48] <thelounge3495> oerheks It's got a dedicated IP on the router and I've tried setting it up as a static IP on the server itself, but had the same issue. Switched it to DHCP (which is what it is now) to see if that changed things, but it did not.
[20:53] <worrelsik> Because of my non-working Bluetooth dongle, I'd like to apply a patch to drivers/bluetooth/btusb.c. But I don't understand from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel how to apt-get the source code for the kernel of my system (5.4.0-37-generic).
[20:53] <worrelsik> apt-get source linux-image-$(uname -r) just downloads a few kB
[20:54] <Bashing-om> !info linux-image-generic focal
[20:57] <worrelsik> But the kernel tarballs on www.kernel.org are around 100MB.
[20:58] <worrelsik> So how should I apply the patch (https://bugzilla.kernel.org/attachment.cgi?id=284525)?
[21:04] <Bashing-om> worrelsik: As the instructions ^ say, what now returns ' uname -r ' ?
[21:05] <worrelsik> 5.4.0-37-generic
[21:07] <Bashing-om> worrelsik: from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel: ' apt-get source linux-image-$(uname -r) ' :)
[21:07] <jeremy31> worrelsik: if you have source repositories enabled, in terminal do, apt-get source linux-modules-extra-$(uname -r)
[21:09] <worrelsik> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5KmvZzGJ82/
[21:11] <jeremy31> worrelsik: if you have source repositories enabled, in terminal do, apt-get source linux-modules-extra-$(uname -r)
[21:14] <worrelsik> Ah, sorry, did not read your instruction close enough. That gives much more: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wQfxYHRCP8/
[21:15] <jeremy31> worrelsik: now do>  cd linux-5.4.0/drivers/bluetooth
[21:16] <worrelsik> OK
[21:17] <jeremy31> worrelsik: what non working device do you have?
[21:17] <Mordoc> 0
[21:20] <Mordoc> Sorry folks, wrong terminal...My poor screen switching skills...
[21:20] <worrelsik> Some CSR Bluetooth dongle https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2g45KsKP6R/
[21:21] <verma_ankit484> is there any way to just upgrade gtk to 3.20 in ubuntu 16.04?
[21:22] <jeremy31> worrelsik: your patch may have to by applied from linux-5.4.0 directory, I can't be sure.  I haven't had much luck getting CSR dongles to work
[21:22] <worrelsik> The value for bcdDevice (88.91) matches what is hardcoded in the patch
[21:24] <jeremy31> worrelsik: OK, but I wouldn't build an entire kernel just for one patched module, it might be easier to try the latest kernel if it does have the patch
[21:27] <worrelsik> jeremy31, Alas, it is already 7 years not included: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60824
[21:27] <charms> Hi, which ISO should I use to install to a RAID0 array? (Yes I know it sounds stupid)
[21:28] <charms> For 20.04*
[21:31] <jeremy31> worrelsik: 7 years ago the bluetooth devs about gave up on CSR because all their BT dongles used the same USB ID
[21:32] <worrelsik> I truely sympathize with them
[21:35] <worrelsik> jeremy31: But I'd like to give it a shot! Now that btusb.c is changed, should I proceed with the section "Modifying the configuration"?
[21:36] <worrelsik> I don't think this counts as a configuration change, does it?
[21:37] <worrelsik> @charms: the server edition?
[21:38] <charms> worrelsik thanks, is there a difference compared to the desktop installer other than a command line ui? this is for my home computer
[21:39] <jeremy31> worrelsik: not really, and you just need to build a new btusb.ko and dump it in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/drivers/bluetooth  and reboot
[21:40] <jeremy31> worrelsik: you could use the Makefile from https://github.com/jeremyb31/newbtfix-4.15/blob/master/Makefile and put it in your source code directory for bluetooth, then do a make and copy the btusb.ko
[21:41] <worrelsik> jeremy31, Argh: "you just need to build"...Thanks for that Makefile
[21:50] <ningu> is there a way to override the device(s) to install grub to for grub-efi-amd64-signed?
[22:32] <MarkB2> I'm trying to install "babl" ... which requires meson.  Found meson, installed that.  Running "meson build" per directions, the install fails with "gobject-introspection-1.0 not found".  I did install gobject-instrospection-1.0 using apt-get .. but the pkg-config (.pc) file didn't seem to make it over.
[22:33] <sarnold> MarkB2: look for a matching -dev package
[22:34] <MarkB2> sarnold: I should have thought of that... checking.
[22:37] <MarkB2> sarnold: running apt-cache search gobject-introspection produces dozens of hits.  Those that seem to have relevance have already been installed.
[22:37] <MarkB2> gobject-introspection is up to 1.56 .  It's hard to believe babl authors wanted version 1.0 .
[22:38] <ErichHyuuga> Troll lives matter! Defund Freenode Staffers!
[22:38] <oerheks> ErichHyuuga, not here, thanks.
[22:39] <ErichHyuuga> Byakugan!
[22:41] <bparker> byakugan?
[22:41] <ErichHyuuga> This is about limiting the heavy-handed tactics the globalist Freenode Staffer swine use to oppress minorities like trolls on Freenode!
[22:41] <oerheks> not a package in our repos..
[22:41] <ErichHyuuga> Justice for Bedpan and Sarajevo!
[22:41] <oerheks> !ops
[22:42] <bparker> lol
[22:43] <MarkB2> oerheks: was that note about package aimed at me?
[22:43] <oerheks> MarkB2, nope.
[22:43] <oerheks> i have little knowledge of mason
[22:44] <MarkB2> I didn't have _any_ knowledge of meson other than it's required for a compile of another package.  Trying to compile gimp from sources.
[22:45]  * ErichHyuuga attacks oerheks with Hakke Kuushou no Jutsu!
[22:46] <phunyguy> ErichHyuuga: Can we keep it do Ubuntu support in here please? Thank you.
[22:47] <phunyguy> s/do/to/
[23:22] <mason> oerheks: HTML::Mason or me?
[23:24] <sarnold> mason: I think in this case, meson :)
[23:24] <mason> Oh, ah, yeah, that'd be more topical.
[23:25] <mason> HTML::me used to be more topical. Even I used it.
[23:40] <sarnold> heh yes the name is well-worn in my mind as well, but I don't think I ever used it