[11:09] <tareq> hello 1 2 3
[11:10] <Kilos> hi tareq
[11:53] <ashabadi> ekushey how are you?
[13:22] <pavlushka> Hello zaki
[13:22] <pavlushka> and Every one!
[13:23] <pavlushka> Hello
[13:24] <pavlushka> My laptop power cord damages and phone died, I am on lend pc, just to inform that, bye
[13:24] <pavlushka> *damaged
[13:25] <pavlushka> exit
[15:31] <ashabadi> QA:  tell pablushka dns has been fixed on Banglalinkgsm for his blog ashabadi.com
[15:31] <QA> ashabadi: I don't know who pablushka is. Say 'pablushka on freenode' and I'll take your word that pablushka exists
[15:32] <ashabadi> QA:  tell pavlushka dns has been fixed on Banglalinkgsm for his blog ashabadi.com
[15:32] <QA> ashabadi: Sure, I'll tell pavlushka on freenode
[15:38] <Kilos> hi ashabadi
[17:24] <ashabadi> hi AudaciousTUX Ekushey Kilos
[17:25] <ashabadi> AudaciousTUX: Ekushey check http://ashabadi.com/ back after more than 3 years
[17:41] <AudaciousTUX> hi
[17:41] <AudaciousTUX> ekushey vau achen??
[17:41] <ashabadi> no
[17:41] <ashabadi> he is silent observer.. silent bot
[17:41] <Kilos> lol
[17:41] <AudaciousTUX> :3
[17:41] <AudaciousTUX> lol....
[18:28] <tareq> Hi guys
[18:28] <AudaciousTUX> hi
[18:29] <tareq> AudaciousTUX: how are you doing
[18:30] <tareq> we need to have an iftar together
[18:30] <tareq> Ekushey ping
[18:34] <AudaciousTUX> yah
[18:34] <AudaciousTUX> i was talking about this with russel vai
[18:34] <AudaciousTUX> but maybe it's too late
[18:36] <Kilos> its only too late do do things when you die
[18:36] <tanjim> deep :v @kilos
[18:37] <Kilos> hi tanjim
[18:37] <tanjim> hi kilos
[18:39] <tanjim> tareq vai are u therE??
[18:56] <tareq> yea
[18:57] <tareq> now people are coming, after tanjim posting link on the fb group
[18:57] <tanjim> ping ekushey
[18:57] <tanjim> dhur.... ekushey vai ashe na ken :3
[18:57] <tareq> that guy is not responding brother
[18:58] <Kilos> tanjim you must welcome then when they arrive
[18:58] <tanjim> yah... missed them....
[18:58] <tanjim> hei
[18:58] <Kilos> they didnt stay long
[18:58] <tanjim> swarup vau
[18:58] <Swarup> আইচ্ছা ঠিকাছে ..
[18:58] <Kilos> hi Swarup
[18:58] <tareq> hello swarup
[18:59] <tanjim> -_-
[18:59] <tanjim> hei
[18:59] <Swarup> কি হইসে
[18:59] <Swarup> হাই হাই করতেস কেন ..
[18:59] <tanjim> nothing
[18:59] <tanjim> :p
[19:00] <tareq> Swarup: please do use English
[19:00] <Kilos> np tareq
[19:00] <tareq> we have a friend here
[19:00] <Swarup> oh
[19:00] <Swarup> sorry
[19:00] <Kilos> im happy to see visitors here
[19:00] <Swarup> but who are you ? kilos bro ?
[19:00] <Swarup> Robot or Something ??
[19:00] <tanjim> using kiwi... better than konversation... atleast for me :3
[19:01] <Kilos> hi Swarup i am Miles Sharpe from south africa
[19:01] <Swarup> so ! what are you doing here ?
[19:01] <Swarup> create another group chat like : ubuntu-sa ? :v
[19:02] <tanjim> they already have their group.... ubuntu-za... join them swarup ;)
[19:03] <tareq> He is our friend, giving motivation on many things
[19:03] <Kilos> hoping to get ubuntu locos going the traditional way
[19:03] <tareq> we need to boost ubuntu loco team
[19:04] <tareq> who will except Russel John brother?
[19:04] <tareq> John knows nothing :P
[19:04] <tanjim> yah.... ifter party ki korben??
[19:05] <tareq> I would like to, but they are not responsive
[19:05] <tareq> I've asked Tanim bhai
[19:06] <tanjim> what's his response??
[19:06] <tareq> he said RJ brother is a busy person, he won't be able to manage time
[19:06] <tanjim> ummm....
[19:06] <tanjim> and it's late too
[19:06] <tareq> I can call him, but ....
[19:07] <tanjim> but waht?
[19:07] <tareq> I'm not sure about timing
[19:07] <tanjim> it's already 14 roja :(
[19:07] <tareq> I want all gurus
[19:08] <tareq> Ekushey Avronil Ashabadi Angel
[19:08] <tareq> Don't know where is Angel
[19:08] <tareq> he was fedora boy
[19:08] <tanjim> i want to see them all :'(
[19:19] <Kilos> hmm... seems like you are going to be bust tareq
[19:20] <Kilos> busy
[19:21] <tareq> went to the fb
[19:21] <tareq> RJ was there
[19:22] <tareq> I don't know new boys in person
[19:22] <tareq> Knows RJ, Adnan Qaium, Ashabadi
[19:23] <Kilos> just ask the whole fb group if there are any interested in actually becoming official ubuntu members
[19:23] <Kilos> if there are they can join us here
[19:23] <tareq> I would like to be official ubuntu member, but the rules are not easy
[19:23] <Kilos> ashabadi was here this morning
[19:24] <tareq> yea, saw that
[19:24] <Kilos> what rules
[19:24] <Kilos> hi redwan
[19:24] <redwan> hello
[19:24] <tareq> like be active around 6 months, solving problems of others in forum
[19:25] <tareq> time is the key here
[19:25] <Kilos> tareg you need to read my wiki page
[19:25] <tareq> Hello Redwan
[19:25] <Kilos> i was only busy on ubuntu-za
[19:25] <Kilos> i cant code or do much else
[19:26] <tareq> I am forum member since 2008 !
[19:26] <tareq> but no progress
[19:26] <Kilos> but i help people with the basics and point those who battle to the guys that can help them
[19:26] <tareq> that time Bangla forums were growing
[19:26] <Kilos> i dont even use forums
[19:27] <Kilos> youve heard pavlushka say im th irc man
[19:27] <tareq> hmm, I need to read your stories
[19:27] <Kilos> thats what i do
[19:27] <Kilos> ~msdomdonner
[19:28] <tareq> I provided dvds to others
[19:28] <tareq> ubuntu dvd
[19:28] <Kilos> yes i know, you have done much more than me
[19:28] <tareq> no no, I do like linux; but not dedicated like you
[19:29] <tareq> because of my lazyness
[19:30] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kilos
[19:31] <Kilos> i am dedicated to ubuntu and my loco and helping newcomers get membership no matter what country
[19:31] <Kilos> and of course making new friends world wide
[19:32] <tareq> you know Kilos, once I've tried fedora
[19:33] <Kilos> ok
[19:33] <tareq> than OpenSUSE, mint etc.
[19:33] <tareq> but nothing like ubuntu
[19:33] <tareq> I do follow one rule, LTS
[19:33] <Kilos> yes
[19:33] <tareq> I do use only LTS versions, nothing else
[19:34] <tareq> 10.04, 12.04, 14.04 and now 16.04
[19:34] <Kilos> i used to upgrade every six months but mobile data cost prohibits it now
[19:34] <tareq> hmm
[19:35] <Kilos> i went from 8.10, 9.04, 9.10, 10.04, 10.10 and then went to kubuntu
[19:35] <Kilos> wasnt happy with unity
[19:36] <tanjim> try antergos... i'm sort of hating ubuntu :3
[19:36] <tareq> hmm, but unity is their prime DE
[19:36] <Kilos> i tried mint and elementaryos and one or two thers but now hooked on kde
[19:36] <tareq> kde has some cons
[19:37] <Kilos> unity always gave me hassles
[19:37] <tareq> unity is solid now I think
[19:37] <tanjim> using kde 5.6 rarely found any bug
[19:37] <Kilos> 16.04 kde has many bugs yes but 14.04 has been very stable from the beginning
[19:38] <tareq> Its always nice to chat with you Kilos, need to sleep now for an hour or two
[19:38] <Kilos> ill wait for 16.04.3 then try it
[19:38] <tanjim> and 5.7 may fix some wayland bug i'm facing now
[19:38] <Kilos> sleep well my friend
[19:38] <tareq> good night buddies
[19:38] <tanjim> gn
[19:38] <Kilos> gn


[13:11] <lazypower-travel> bdx - several times
[13:32] <rjw> Hi guys, Have an issue with a juju local based install
[13:32] <rjw> I am new to the docker and testing it now
[13:33] <rjw> suddenly saw how awesome juju is
[13:34] <rjw> Could not add the requested unit. Server responded with: unknown object type "Client"
[13:34] <rjw> this happens every time I deploy something
[13:50] <rjw> anyone please....
[16:21] <aisrael> Is juju 2 beta supposed to be upgradable between releases (in my case, 6 -> 9)?
[16:47] <jcastro> aisrael:it should but they don't guarantee compatability inbetween 2.x
[16:47] <jcastro> it's worked for me everytime but I dunno, depends on how much stuff you have running on beta 6 I guess
[16:48] <aisrael> jcastro: I have a weird case where my machines are still running, but juju status doesn't show state, dns, or what charms are deployed. Basically, just the machine id and series
[16:48] <aisrael> and upgrade-juju errors on a missing agent-metadata-url
[16:49] <jcastro> huh, maybe there's a way to feed it that to unblock the upgrade?
[16:51] <aisrael> I suspect so. I'll poke at that later today and see what I can do.


[00:17] <StevenK> wallyworld_: O hai
[00:17] <wallyworld_> hello
[00:17] <wallyworld_> did we need to mumble?
[00:17]  * StevenK looks for mumble
[00:44] <StevenK> wgrant: How is the second branch wrong? I don't want to set it to private if it's EMBARGOEDSECURITY for the moment.
[00:47] <wgrant> StevenK: In commands.py?
[00:47] <StevenK> wgrant: Yup.
[00:47] <wgrant> StevenK: It will currently AssertionError if given EMBARGOEDSECURITY
[00:48] <StevenK> Oh, I fixed that, just forgot to commit and push.
[00:55] <poolie> wgrant, hi
[01:18] <wgrant> poolie: Hi
[01:24] <StevenK> wgrant: I removed the assert, I'm going to toss it at ec2.
[01:25] <StevenK> wgrant: As to why createBug() is in systemhomes, I still have NFI
[02:05] <lifeless> wgrant: got 5 for a quick chat ?
[02:40] <wgrant> lifeless: Just got back from lunch. Still around?
[02:43] <lifeless> yes
[02:43] <lifeless> skype?
[02:43] <wgrant> It hates PulseAudio. Let me see.
[02:44] <lifeless> pavucontrol will let you fix that easily
[02:44] <wgrant> No, it won't even connect to PA AFAICT
[02:44] <lifeless> oh, thats new and special
[02:44] <wgrant> Yeah
[02:44] <wgrant> Haven't had this one before.
[02:44] <wgrant> Let's see if the one from partner works.
[03:21] <mwhudson> PA seems to have decided my headset is not an input device recently
[03:23] <bigjools> it would be right? :)
[04:25] <StevenK> Hmm, how do I tell firebug to keep executing JS?
[04:26] <StevenK> The play button. Tricky.
[07:41] <adeuring> good morning
[09:01] <StevenK> cjwatson: Are you good to QA r15036 on DF today?
[10:59] <cjwatson> StevenK: yep, I will be
[11:18] <stub> wgrant: If your still there, does PG 9.1 make your life easier with bugtask search data structures? Things are so far on track to switch Production starting 23rd April.
[11:18] <stub> (Minor things like the Precise release might affect that :) )
[11:21] <stub> This merge proposal is making me thirsty.
[11:25] <wgrant> stub: Being able to use GIN for a second iteration will be nice.
[11:25] <stub> Saw your comment about array syntax mentioning 8.4
[11:26] <wgrant> And its better support for text arrays might open up new avenues for tags.
[11:26] <stub> But it isn't worth doing this as a 9.1 specific feature branch?
[11:27] <wgrant> No. This is good enough for now, and we get it a month early.
[11:27] <wgrant> Anything 9.1-specific will need more experimentation post-upgrade.
[11:27] <wgrant> And this is deliberately designed so we can iterate cheaply by introducing new versions of the table.
[11:28] <StevenK> I'm looking forward to the death of slony. Oh, and 5 seconds FDT.
[11:34] <stub> wgrant: What do the indexes ending with the bugtask or bug columns get used for. Is it being used as a creation date (but with stable ordering)?
[11:35]  * stub reads the mp blurb just in case this was explained :)
[11:35] <wgrant> stub: Ah, sorry, forgot about the indices.
[11:35] <wgrant> stub: Those are bug search sort orders.
[11:35] <wgrant> So bugtask/bug are tiebreakers.
[11:36] <stub> Just to ensure consistent ordering?
[11:36] <wgrant> bug is used when the context is unambiguous (only a single task for each bug can appear, ie. most contexts), bugtask when it's ambiguous (eg. distributions, where you can have tasks for multiple packages on a single bug)
[11:36] <wgrant> Yes, I believe.
[11:36] <wgrant> And to make it logical.
[11:36] <wgrant> eg. ordering by importance, the first 200000 bugs or so are a single importance.
[11:36] <wgrant> And having them arbitrarily ordered would be odd.
[11:36] <wgrant> Those indices are just a start, but they satisfy all the common bug search cases.
[11:36] <stub> But no need to pull in product.name and friends
[11:37] <wgrant> We may eventually want something more selective on status, duplicateof, etc.
[11:37] <wgrant> No.
[11:37] <StevenK> Is this the review of bugtaskflat?
[11:37] <wgrant> There are some orders that I'm probably going to ban on large sets of bugs.
[11:37] <wgrant> Assignee name, tag, location name, etc.
[11:37] <wgrant> They're not useful, and very expensive on large sets.
[11:38] <wgrant> And for small sets it's fine to do the sort as the last stage.
[11:38] <stub> I think we should consider telling the user they are being nonsensical if the query results are nonsensical. If the first 200000 bugs are a single importance, the answer isn't important because it is rather useless.
[11:38] <wgrant> stub: Indeed.
[11:38] <wgrant> stub: But that's the default sort order :)
[11:38] <stub> Yes, the principal remains :)
[11:39] <wgrant> stub: Half these indices are to satisfy eg. https://launchpad.net/launchpad/+bugs
[11:39] <stub> Just wrapping my head around what we have here
[11:39] <stub> StevenK: Yes
[11:39] <wgrant> With just a straight walk down the index.
[11:39] <wgrant> In 2-3ms.
[11:39] <wgrant> Person:+bugs is going to be interesting. It's not clear what indices are best there.
[11:40] <wgrant> Fortunately we have feature flags to disable BugTaskFlat use where it doesn't work yet :)
[11:40] <wgrant> s/doesn't work yet/turns out to be slow sometimes without further indices/
[11:41] <wgrant> The indices *will* need further work, but this seems to be a good start for most things.
[11:42] <stub> wgrant: So Celery can use PostgreSQL as a backend. Perhaps these triggers should just launch Celery jobs :-)
[11:43] <wgrant> These are about 100x faster than bugsummary in some cases, and I am rewriting bugsummary to be less insane, so it will be a net speedup :)
[11:46]  * cjwatson would love review of https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/proposed-as-staging-pocket/+merge/99911
[11:49] <cjwatson> Anyone mind if I upgrade mawson?
[11:53] <wgrant> cjwatson: Go ahead.
[11:53] <wgrant> Hopefully the DB upgrade won't break.
[11:54] <cjwatson> Anything I need to watch out for in particular?  Or is this the stuff that's been afflicting NDTs?
[11:54] <wgrant> Nah, just mawson sometimes misses some of the migrations.
[11:54] <wgrant> And occasionally gets manual BugTaskFlat patches that could conflict.
[11:54] <wgrant> But I think it should be OK
[11:54] <wgrant> If it breaks, yell and I'll fix.
[11:55] <cjwatson> running
[11:55] <StevenK> cjwatson: Only if you happen to 'upgrade' to something that's 100 revisions behind.
[11:55] <wgrant> 150, TYVM
[11:55] <StevenK> Indeed.
[11:55] <StevenK> That was a fun morning.
[11:55] <cjwatson> How did that happen?
[11:56] <StevenK> cjwatson: Worse, it was on prod.
[11:56] <wgrant> 'tis a mystery
[11:56] <StevenK> And we're in the middle of two rather large migrations for disclosure.
[11:56] <cjwatson> hmm, Text conflict in lib/lp/scripts/garbo.py
[11:56] <wgrant> bzr resolve --take-other
[11:56] <wgrant> That's from when I was manually running a single garbo job to complete a migraiton
[11:59] <cjwatson> mkay
[11:59] <cjwatson> mawson's bzr is too old for resolve --take-other, I used revert instead, hope that was ok
[12:00] <wgrant> Yeah, that's fine.
[12:09] <wgrant> cjwatson: You win the award for lowest SNR in a Launchpad merge proposal, but approved :)
[12:13] <cjwatson> wgrant: I assumed everyone else's merges were like that nowadays too as they desperately scrabbled for LoC.  Maybe not
[12:14] <wgrant> cjwatson: We tend to split branches when the get like that. It's not a strict rule that every *branch* must not be LOC-positive.
[12:15] <cjwatson> OK, I'll try to remember that.  I guess I find it hard to keep track otherwise
[12:16] <wgrant> cjwatson: Indeed, that's the problem :)
[12:16] <wgrant> cjwatson: Can you set a commit message?
[12:16] <cjwatson> done
[12:16] <cjwatson> Ah, mawson at least thinks it's done now.
[12:32] <cjwatson> http://people.canonical.com/~cjwatson/tmp/loc.png - I was curious what LoC delta per revision actually looks like since the new policy ...
[12:33] <cjwatson> different view from ohloh's
[12:36] <wgrant> I've been meaning to get around to repurposing community-contributions.py to provide some kind of analysis like that.
[12:38] <cjwatson> net +1901 since new policy
[12:40] <cjwatson> which is not really obvious from that graph
[13:04] <bac> so, perhaps we should limit the length of a bug report title:  pad.lv/943974
[13:07] <rick_h> hah, that's great.
[13:07] <stub> I think the limit in the db is 2GB
[13:26] <nigelb> wtf
[13:26] <nigelb> that is a big title.
[14:29] <deryck> I'd be happy to help get another deploy today, but I must admit I have no clue how to qa cjwatson's changes.
[14:30] <deryck> I think all of our soyuz experts are australian now, too.  hmmmm
[14:30] <cjwatson> deryck: I just finished QAing it.
[14:31] <deryck> cjwatson, ah very good!  Thanks, man.
[14:32] <deryck> adeuring, now we're just waiting on your revision.
[14:32] <cjwatson> I'd like that deployed on ftpmaster at some point; I don't know what the deployment procedures for that look like these days.
[14:32] <adeuring> deryck: argh, got distracted...
[14:33] <deryck> adeuring, np. :)  Can you ping me when it's done, so I can put up a ndt deploy request?
[14:33] <adeuring> deryck: sure
[14:33] <deryck> cjwatson, I don't know either.  But I'll check into it when I put the deploy request up.
[14:35] <cjwatson> ftpmaster (well, the bit of it that matters) is currently on 15032, so not that far back.
[14:36] <cjwatson> OK, LPS says it's still a separate 5-minute window.
[14:36] <deryck> ah yeah, just saw that too.
[14:36] <deryck> so we'll have to schedule that.
[14:36] <deryck> mrevell, we're doing a deploy later today that we need deployed to ftpmaster, and that needs 5 minute downtime.  How do we schedule that now?
[14:36] <deryck> mrevell, do you or danhg set that up?
[14:48] <mrevell> deryck, Hey, for five minutes just ask czajkowski to announce it to the status feed. Antu
[14:49] <mrevell> deryck, Anything more than that and I can find out when would have least impact on our stakeholders and users generally.
[14:49] <deryck> mrevell, ah ok.  I'll schedule with webops then and ping czajkowski when I know when they can do it.
[14:49] <czajkowski> deryck: just let me know the details more than 5 mins before hand and then I can get it out
[14:52] <deryck> czajkowski, will do, thanks
[15:41] <cjwatson> wgrant: hm, I meant to ask, did you feed my branch to EC2?
[15:41] <cjwatson> I guess I'll find out by the time you read this.
[16:36] <cjwatson> wgrant: ... never mind. :-)
[17:03] <sinzui> rick_h, jcsackett. Do you have time to review https://code.launchpad.net/~sinzui/launchpad/obsolete-js/+merge/99978
[17:04] <czajkowski> deryck[lunch]: am heading offline for EOD but will be back later if you want an annoucement put out.
[17:04] <rick_h> sinzui: will look at it now
[17:07] <deryck> czajkowski, ack.  I think it will likely be done tomorrow now.  waiting on QA for a branch.
[17:07] <czajkowski> deryck: ok well mail me and I can still annouce it in places for tomorrow
[17:07] <deryck> czajkowski, ok, thanks.
[17:16] <sinzui> rick_h, can you clarify the space issue now that I see it? I see two spaces...but I like code to be 4 spaces. Do you want me to make it 2 or 4 spaces
[17:17] <rick_h> sinzui: sorry, mean the space between the keyword 'function' and the parens
[17:17] <rick_h> sinzui: I think most LP people have no space between them, my background nad jslint are for a space
[17:18] <rick_h> sinzui: complete nitpick thing
[17:19] <sinzui> okay. I see that.
[17:20] <rick_h> other than that, thanks for finding and cleaning that up. One less thing for my long term JS clean up todo list :)
[17:23] <jcsackett> sinzui: i have followed up on rick_h, and have nothing to add. r=me.
[17:37] <sinzui> thanks jcsackett. I just extracted the script and ran it though lint. There were some == issues that also needed fixing
[17:37] <rick_h> doh, I should have caught those. Evil JS in .pt files...
[17:39] <rick_h> sinzui: have a sec for a quick ? on the subscribers stuff?
[17:39] <sinzui> sure
[17:39] <rick_h> sinzui: I'm trying to see where/how you test that once you have the notification bits working, that the event is bound correctly/working in the actual app layer through your configure.zcml bits?
[17:40] <rick_h> all the tests manually generate or call the event method that gets fired
[17:41] <sinzui> sorry, thunderbird-aka-shitehawk was stealing focu
[17:41] <sinzui> s
[17:43] <sinzui> rick_h, we have a utility that subscribes to the event that allows us to see it what was passed.
[17:43]  * sinzui looks for it in answers or registry
[17:46] <sinzui> rick_h, sorry, this time I could not find. it We use TestEventListener
[17:46]  * sinzui looks for real example of use
[17:46] <rick_h> ok, will search for that thanks
[17:47] <rick_h> that's ok, I can peek, just need a hint. Wasn't seeing it in the existing tests I was looking at
[17:48] <sinzui> rick_h, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/905984/
[17:48] <sinzui> ^ the setup is odd because of the registration/deregistration of the listener
[17:49] <rick_h> ty much sinzui
[21:00] <wallyworld> sinzui: i *might* be a few minutes late to the standup. i have to drive my wife to work. hopefully traffic won't be too bad
[21:01] <sinzui> okay
[22:21] <sinzui> wgrant, wrong protocol on port -> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/906352/
[22:22] <wgrant> sinzui: Yeah, that's speaking HTTPS to an HTTP listener.
[22:27] <sinzui> StevenK, I was thinking of bug #367533
[22:27] <_mup_> Bug #367533: Collapsible fieldsets don't degrade gracefully when Javascript isn't available <css> <easy> <javascript> <lp-web> <ui> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/367533 >
[22:28] <jelmer> g'd evenin' launchpadders
[22:29] <wgrant> Morning jelmer.
[22:34] <sinzui> StevenK, and bug #677339
[22:34] <_mup_> Bug #677339: filebug per-project help is below the fold <confusing-ui> <easy> <lp-bugs> <ui> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/677339 >
[22:53] <StevenK> wgrant, sinzui: https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat


[13:18] <Q-FUNK> ok, pitti just approved the geode_pci_id patch
[13:19] <Q-FUNK> for the geode 2.9.0-1, pitti suggests making a 2.9.0-1ubuntu1 that closes the LP bug and to upload it to hardy-proposed
[14:39] <Q-FUNK> re
[14:42] <Q-FUNK> for -geode 2.9.0-1ubuntu1 changelog  -> hardy-proposed:  Closes LP 214119.
[14:43] <Q-FUNK> was #140051 released in hardy already or only in intrepid?
[14:44] <tjaalton> bug 140051
[14:45] <tjaalton> judging by the changelog, it's fixed in hardy
[14:46] <tjaalton> at least the server bits
[14:47] <Q-FUNK> ok
[14:48] <Q-FUNK> so we probably only need to import -geode 2.9.0 into hardy-proposed and the koolu bug will be history.
[14:48] <tjaalton> right
[14:54] <Q-FUNK> Bug 218202
[14:55] <Q-FUNK> this probably only needs to be binary-NMU'ed to work again.
[14:55] <Q-FUNK> who should I ask?
[14:57] <seb128> there is no bin-NMU in ubuntu
[15:01] <Q-FUNK> hm
[15:07] <Q-FUNK> seb128: what alternative do we have to rebuild a package against the latest dependencie,s then?
[15:07] <seb128> new source upload
[15:09] <Q-FUNK> hmm ok
[16:28] <Q-FUNK> bryce: where in the hotel is carmen santiago?
[16:31] <Q-FUNK> seb128: au fait, t'es ou?  ca pourrait etre cool d'enfin se rencontrer :)


[03:51] <Noskcaj> in phillw's classroom session why did he teach about the "li" format? hadn't we swapped to "dd, dt, dl"?
[06:16] <pitti> Good morning
[07:18] <zyga> pitti: hey, how are you :-)
[07:19] <pitti> hey zyga; quite fine, thanks! how about yourself?
[07:19] <zyga> pitti: waking up in the morning always feels good :)
[07:20] <zyga> pitti: we're all doing fine :)
[07:21] <pitti> yeah, one gets a lot done before the crowd arrives and starts IRC pings :)
[07:22] <zyga> pitti: irc is fine in comparison, this is the hangout day, mid iteration analysis and so on, it's impossible to work on something during that kind of meeting
[07:26] <jibel> good morning
[07:28] <dholbach> good morning
[07:28] <dholbach> salut jibel
[07:35] <jibel> bonjour dholbach
[07:35] <pitti> bonjour dholbach
[07:35] <dholbach> salut pitti
[07:35] <dholbach> comment ça va mes amis?
[07:36] <pitti> nous sommes très bien!
[07:39] <pitti> bonjour jibel
[07:41] <jibel> bonjour pitti
[07:42] <jibel> pitti, "nous allons très bien !" :)
[07:42] <pitti> argh, indeed
[09:48] <jibel> pitti, https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Raring/view/JHBuild%20Gnome/ red is gone \o/
[09:48] <pitti> WOW!
[09:48] <pitti> jibel: you rock!
[10:08] <pitti> jibel: that's even worth a planet blog post or g+ at least
[10:08] <pitti> (and I'll so share that)
[10:10] <jibel> pitti, indeed, I'm submitting a patch for gupnp-igd and will do that
[11:01] <zyga> https://code.launchpad.net/~zkrynicki/checkbox/integration-tests/+merge/143661
[11:31] <xnox> Any objections at upgrading lp:ubuntu-qa-tools to 2a bzr format?
[11:33] <jibel> xnox, no objection
[11:34] <jibel> xnox, you should ask the security team too, they maintain vm-tools in this project
[11:35] <xnox> yeah =/
[17:53] <cking> plars, ping
[17:54] <plars> cking: I'm about to move rooms, but pong
[17:55] <cking> plars, I've looked at the power measurement tests, and I was wondering if it's possible for you to get me all the sample.log files that these tests generate so I can analyse the raw data
[17:57] <plars> cking: I saw the email, just haven't had a chance to respond yet. Yes, we can update the job to have it grab the sample.log, do you happen to remember where it drops it? Unfortunately the system used is reinstalled each time, so I don't have and easy way to get it right now
[17:58] <plars> but that way will have it next time it rns
[17:58] <plars> *runs
[17:59] <cking> hrm, I can't say at the mo, I'm about to head out of the office in London. I will figure it out and get back to you
[18:00] <cking> it was ~7 months ago since I last looked at the code, so I can't recall off the top of my head
[18:01] <plars> np
[18:04] <cking> plars, i'm kind of not an autotest expert, so I'm not sure where it dumps the output, but I suspect it should appear in the directory created where the tests are run
[18:05] <plars> cking: I just responded and included brad/steve in case they happen to know, otherwise I'll just try it manually and see where the tests go, but I'm traveling right now and might be quicker if someone just "knows" :)
[18:05] <cking> plars, ok - thanks!
[18:05] <plars> cking: thanks for the heads up about that log file though, that is *certainly* something tha needs to be gathered in every run
[18:06] <cking> indeed, it would be useful :-)
[18:53] <balloons> ouch.. autopilot launch firefox "Error: Only dynamically linked binaries are supported at the moment."
[19:37] <thomi> balloons: /usr/bin/firefox is a bash script
[19:38] <thomi> balloons: /usr/lib/firefox/firefox OTOH...
[19:38] <balloons> thomi, yes your correct
[19:39] <balloons> it was more that it couldn't handle statically linked stuff.. but not many things are ;-)
[19:40] <balloons> although, heh, Error: Could not determine introspection type to use for application '/usr/lib/firefox/firefox'.
[20:06] <letozaf_> Hi balloons
[20:06] <balloons> howdy
[20:06] <letozaf_> I tried the evince test
[20:06] <letozaf_> I only got one failure
[20:07] <letozaf_> do you want the output ?
[20:07] <letozaf_> balloons, I'me fine and you ?
[20:09] <balloons> letozaf_, what was the failure
[20:09] <letozaf_> balloons, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1542440
[20:09] <balloons> I'm a bit off today tbh ;-|
[20:10] <balloons> ohh.. you can fix that error eh?
[20:10] <letozaf_> balloons, sure I will try :)
[20:14] <balloons> looks like just need to compare the short filename, not the full directory+filename
[20:20] <letozaf_> balloons, thanks, I fixed it :)
[20:21] <balloons> good work..
[20:21] <balloons> so I updated the trello board
[20:21] <letozaf_> balloons, yep I saw the emails
[20:21] <letozaf_> notification emails
[20:21] <balloons> I added your 'face' to the ones you were working on :-)
[20:21] <letozaf_> balloons, :) thanks
[20:23] <letozaf_> balloons, :")
[20:30] <letozaf_> balloons, https://code.launchpad.net/~carla-sella/ubuntu-autopilot-tests/evince-fix/+merge/143760
[20:31] <balloons> k, i'll merge in a bit
[20:48] <balloons> hmm thomi, I'm going through trying to launch some random apps and getting some errors, or app crashes.. I'll try and consolidate the results and then ping you and see if any bugs need to be filed
[20:48] <balloons> sorry, context.. using autopilot launch
[21:00] <dkessel> do any of you have graphics flickering in the dash with the current packages?
[21:01] <balloons> dkessel, no.. what graphics/drivers?
[21:02] <balloons> though, I do need to restart to see the new xserver stuff
[21:02] <dkessel> intel... checking which
[21:03] <dkessel> 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[21:03] <dkessel> one of my netbooks
[21:03] <balloons> ohh.. nvm, it's pixbuf libs
[21:04] <balloons> anyways, I'm on amd, open drivers
[21:06] <letozaf_> dkessel, I have a notebook with intel graphics card
[21:06] <letozaf_> dkessel, but no flickering
[21:06] <letozaf_> dkessel, driver: i915
[21:13] <dkessel> balloons, have you ever forwarded a kernel driver issue upstream? not talking about the graphics ;) but about about a bluetooth bug if filed yesterday...
[21:13] <balloons> dkessel, yes.. although it was not me who did so.. we worked through the kernel team
[21:14] <dkessel> specifically, i wonder if it would be alright to link from the mail to the mailing list to the launchpad bug...
[21:14] <balloons> if you file a good bug and sub me, I can help make sure it gets reviewed.. but those guys are good about following up on bugs
[21:14] <balloons> dkessel, what do you mean about linking?
[21:14] <balloons> you lost me there
[21:15] <dkessel> i have filed bug 1100004 yesterday
[21:16] <dkessel> ...and been through a session of "run the mainline kernel" :)
[21:18] <balloons> ah yes, it takes some fun stuff to triage down kernel bugs
[21:18]  * balloons reads
[21:18] <dkessel> so... i understood the stuff on the wiki page
[21:19] <balloons> ahh.. yes, keep going
[21:19] <balloons> looks good thus far
[21:19] <balloons> once fixed upstream, the kernel team will pull something for you to test
[21:19] <dkessel> but if i send a mail to the maintainer mailing list, do i send a reference to the launchpad page in the mail? i don't want to include all the BIOS files and stuff again....
[21:21] <balloons> yes, you can reference the bug report you filed
[21:21] <balloons> they may ask you to do some other things, but hopefully not
[21:22] <balloons> there biggest beef is making sure you tried on a vanilla upstream kernel
[21:22] <balloons> they don't like distro-level bugs
[21:22] <balloons> for obvious reasons :-)
[21:22] <dkessel> yeah, i did and i will show them uname -a :)
[21:23] <dkessel> ok, i will work on that mail on sunday then, i guess.
[21:24] <dkessel> hm. probably a bad time to ask in #u-devel about the graphics flickering...
[21:25] <dkessel> letozaf_, you're so silent. i bet you're working on autopilot tests again ;)
[21:25] <letozaf_> dkessel, yep :)
[21:26] <letozaf_> dkessel, just trying to figure out the new things balloons did
[21:26] <letozaf_> dkessel, what about you ?
[21:27] <dkessel> trying to find out more about my graphics bug... not up to coding in the last days... work is too tiring atm
[21:29] <letozaf_> dkessel, :)
[21:30] <letozaf_> dkessel, is your cat still watching TV :)
[21:32] <dkessel> letozaf_, no, she's lying in the basket now, relaxing... after having her wild five minutes just a few minutes ago
[21:32] <letozaf_> dkessel, :D
[21:33] <dkessel> letozaf_, do you have a cat too?
[21:33] <letozaf_> dkessel, no, no pets :(
[21:36] <dkessel> need to reboot for graphics driver reset...
[21:40] <letozaf_> balloons, I noticed a strange thing looking at autopilot nautilus test
[21:40] <balloons> the nautilus one is a bit annoying.. it's off
[21:40] <letozaf_> should I let go ?
[21:40] <balloons> I tried doing a piece of it and got a werid error so I left it
[21:41] <balloons> no no.. the manual testcase is outdaed now
[21:41] <balloons> nautilus has changed a bit
[21:41] <letozaf_> anyway I noticed that if you type nautilus in terminal on Quantal nautilus window opens and is focused, if you type it in Raring it doesn't
[21:42] <balloons> yes ,i notied too
[21:42] <balloons> the focus is weird
[21:42] <letozaf_> but could this be a bug ?
[21:42]  * dkessel types 'ubuntu-bug xorg'
[21:44] <balloons> letozaf_, not sure actually
[21:44] <balloons> nautilus is being held back
[21:44] <balloons> or was.. because of the upstream changes
[21:45] <letozaf_> balloons, ok, I will try something else :)
[21:46] <balloons> yes, so i consider it weird
[21:46] <balloons> and would focus on other things atm
[21:47] <letozaf_> balloons, ok
[21:48] <letozaf_> balloons, but for intance, shotwell, how are we going to test the camera plug in with autopilot ?
[21:49] <balloons> sadly, we can't really
[21:49] <balloons> we could explore semi-automated stuff
[21:49] <balloons> you plug in the camera, then run the test
[21:49] <letozaf_> balloons, ah! ok that's fine I think
[21:49] <balloons> and since for now we are allowing ourselves to be the test runners, that works
[21:50] <letozaf_> letozaf_, maybe I will give it a try
[21:50] <balloons> yes, you should be able to write the test with the assumption the camera is plugged in.. I believe
[21:51] <balloons> however, eventually we'll be gettig these tests automatically run on new images, so something like that wouldn't work in that case
[21:53] <letozaf_> balloons, do you think I should give it a try or should I change application ?
[21:55] <balloons> letozaf_, you sure can.. there's many options.. work on something you like :-)
[21:55] <balloons> I enjoyed writing the manual testcases for shotwell
[21:55] <balloons> you can improve them I'm sure :-)
[21:57] <letozaf_> balloons, ok, let's give it a try
[22:04] <letozaf_> night guys going to bed :-z
[22:11] <dkessel> yeah, bye from me too... good night


[08:27] <sil2100> Saviq: Hi! I see that the broken_collapse branch still has problems merging - Robert also reported a text conflict with merge-to-trunk - could you poke Albert to fix that?
[08:38] <didrocks> sil2100: hey, meanwhile, can you grab info on the upstart-app-launch/greyback/ted issue? (when they are around)
[08:40] <sil2100> didrocks: hey! Sure, been waiting on ted on that
[08:40] <sil2100> didrocks: since I checked the branches in upstart-app-launch and didn't see any progress
[08:40] <didrocks> sil2100: catch him in a corner so that he can't get out without any answer! :)
[08:40] <didrocks> sil2100: yeah, did the same :(
[08:41] <sil2100> ;)
[09:09] <sil2100> tedg: morning! :)
[09:09] <sil2100> tedg: you know what I want to ask, don't you?
[09:09] <tedg> sil2100, Why yes, these are new shoes!  Thanks for asking!
[09:10] <sil2100> tedg: uh oh! I knew it!
[09:10] <sil2100> tedg: oh, and while we're at this topic... any progress on the upstart-app-launch modification? ;p
[09:10] <tedg> sil2100, The branch works.  Writing tests.  gerry was able to verify it on his end as well.
[09:10] <tedg> sil2100, Need to clean up and get ready to MR.
[09:11] <sil2100> tedg: sounds super awesome
[09:11] <sil2100> tedg: ok, thanks for the work!
[09:11] <sil2100> tsdgeos: morning
[09:12] <sil2100> tsdgeos: the broken_collapse branch seems to be still failing to merge - I also saw Robert noticing that there is a conflict when merging to trunk
[09:12] <tedg> sil2100, FYI, we're bumping API/ABI on the lib.  Shouldn't be a big deal as we have the accompanying main user.  But will complicate landing.
[09:12] <tsdgeos> sil2100: morning!
[09:12] <tsdgeos> really?
[09:12] <tsdgeos> that's weird
[09:12] <tsdgeos> i'll have a look
[09:12] <tsdgeos> tx for the heads up
[09:13] <sil2100> tedg: hm, ok, good to know, we'll keep that in mind during release
[09:13] <sil2100> tsdgeos: np, thanks for the code - once your branch lands, we'll have all that's needed for a release of unity8
[09:14] <tsdgeos> ah probably conflicted with the other test i made for the carousel click
[09:14] <tsdgeos> yep
[09:19] <tsdgeos> sil2100: done
[09:20] <didrocks> tedg: so rebuilding url-dispatcher, libcontent-hub0 and libunity-mir1, right?
[09:20] <didrocks> tedg: if you can get the candy early enough, that will help us to get an image promoted today
[09:21] <sil2100> tsdgeos: you think it will land now?
[09:21] <tsdgeos> sil2100: tbh i'm not sure
[09:22] <tsdgeos> the test is a bit of a hacky thing
[09:22] <tsdgeos> in that since it tries to prove an animation is happening
[09:22] <tsdgeos> and given how slow the VM machines are
[09:22] <tsdgeos> it may happen that the animation just goes from beginning to end in one go
[09:22] <tsdgeos> but it should work
[09:23] <tsdgeos> sil2100: still need someone to top approve it though
[09:23] <tedg> didrocks, Do we have to way to for libual1 to drop out before libual2 can get into the image, or can we have both for a short time?
[09:23] <sil2100> tsdgeos: top approving
[09:23] <tsdgeos> if doesn't merge, i already talked with Saviq yesterday about removing that tricky part of the test
[09:24] <didrocks> tedg: -proposed is blocking that unfortunately
[09:24] <didrocks> tedg: so, we can only get one
[09:24] <tedg> didrocks, K, I'll need a content hub patch as well then :-/
[09:25] <didrocks> tedg: ok, I think a note/email/anything with a summary would help coordination then
[09:25]  * tedg invokes kenvandine
[09:25] <didrocks> tedg: good luck!
[09:25] <tedg> Let me finish the tests and get that MR'd, then I'll look towards coordination.
[09:28] <didrocks> thx man
[11:18] <didrocks> sil2100: how is it going for unity8? did you get any news?
[11:20] <didrocks> maybe kgunn would know about the status of the unity8 release (is that branch coming)
[11:20] <tsdgeos> it is coming
[11:20] <tsdgeos> just fighting our CI friend
[11:21] <didrocks> tsdgeos: ok, can you ping us on that (sil2100 and I)
[11:22] <tsdgeos> sure
[11:22] <tsdgeos> ah wait, besides my branch there's also greyback's back that needs to branch afaik
[11:22] <tsdgeos> that's also coming
[11:22] <tsdgeos> Saviq knows more :D
[11:23] <didrocks> is Saviq around?
[11:23] <didrocks> tried to catch him for the past 4 hours :p
[11:23] <didrocks> tsdgeos: hum, do you have details on that branch? is it a release blocker or something for upstart-app-launch (and so unity-mir?)
[11:23] <tsdgeos> didrocks: he is sitting by my side :D
[11:24] <didrocks> tsdgeos: mind poking him and asking him to look at IRC?
[11:24] <didrocks> :)
[11:24] <tsdgeos> just did
[11:24] <didrocks> harder! :-)
[11:24] <Saviq> didrocks, here
[11:24] <didrocks> hey!
[11:25] <Saviq> didrocks, sorry, didn't kick my IRC in this morning
[11:25] <didrocks> Saviq: no worry, I know what the sprints are :)
[11:25] <didrocks> so, just trying to get more info, tsdgeos is fighting with CI apparently
[11:25] <didrocks> he's talking about another branch from greyback?
[11:25] <Saviq> didrocks, yeah, we still have an issue on touch mediumtests unfortunately
[11:26] <Saviq> didrocks, but we'll get there
[11:26] <Saviq> didrocks, the branch tsdgeos was talking about is for unity-mir
[11:26] <didrocks> Saviq: ok, so linked to upstart-app-launch fix?
[11:26] <Saviq> didrocks, to fix dialer on maguro, when upstart-app-launch has merged its side of the fixed
[11:26] <Saviq> didrocks, yes
[11:27] <didrocks> ok, no news then!
[11:27] <didrocks> Saviq: do we have hope to get it today?
[11:27] <tsdgeos> sorryyyyy
[11:27] <didrocks> (unity-mir that is)
[11:27] <didrocks> tsdgeos: just keep us posted, I hope we can get unity8 to release soon so that we can cross that one :)
[11:30] <Saviq> didrocks, oh yeah
[11:30] <didrocks> thanks Saviq, tsdgeos :)
[11:30] <Saviq> didrocks, greyback is on it, practically ready
[11:31] <didrocks> Saviq: ok, so to align with the API change from tedg I guess
[11:31] <Saviq> didrocks, exactly
[11:32] <kgunn> didrocks: that's the only blocker right ?
[11:33] <didrocks> kgunn: we have 2: so the one where we need to release unity8 + the dialer app one which is upstart-app-launch (which seems to require unity-mir, url-dispatcher and libcontent-hub changes or at least rebuild)
[11:33] <sil2100> greyback: hello!
[11:34] <greyback> sil2100: heya, almost done, just testing ted's final code with my branch, then I can propose it
[11:34] <sil2100> greyback: heard from Saviq that the last bits of the bug-that-we-all-know-of are almost there? :)
[11:34] <sil2100> Excellent
[11:35] <kgunn> didrocks: right (my bad...i knew the other one for dash media playing too)
[11:35] <kgunn> just making sure no others tho
[11:35] <sil2100> tsdgeos: can't we somehow re-write the test code?
[11:35] <didrocks> kgunn: no worry! Hard to track in the jungle of daily issue, I understand :)
[11:35] <tsdgeos> sil2100: which one? :D
[11:35] <tsdgeos> sil2100: it's not my new test code that's failing at the moment :D
[11:36] <tsdgeos> it's just the generic CI crashes-weirdness that prevents it from landing
[11:36] <tsdgeos> we need to track them down
[11:36]  * sil2100 looks
[11:36] <tsdgeos> when someone has time :D
[11:36] <tsdgeos> sil2100: it's unity8's fault, not CI
[11:37] <sil2100> unity8 crashes on CI?
[11:37] <tsdgeos> it just did, yes
[11:37] <tsdgeos> there seems to be a weird race on startup that makes it crash seldomly
[11:38] <tsdgeos> of course one of those you can't repro almost at all
[12:02] <sil2100> tsdgeos: keep us posted if you get that merged in somehow
[12:08] <mzanetti> MacSlow: fixed this one. wanna reapprove? https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity8/lockscreen-default-variable-pinlength/+merge/197848
[12:12] <mzanetti> Saviq: your opinion on this one please: https://code.launchpad.net/~mhr3/unity-scopes-shell/hook-scopes-ng/+merge/196608/comments/458906
[12:13] <MacSlow> mzanetti, done
[12:14] <mzanetti> mhr3: approved
[12:15] <mhr3> mzanetti, danke schon
[12:15] <didrocks> mzanetti: Saviq: please, don't merge anything else in unity8 trunk
[12:15] <didrocks> MacSlow: ^
[12:16] <didrocks> sil2100: I stoped it FYI ^
[12:16] <didrocks> stopped*
[12:16] <MacSlow> didrocks, what's the issue?
[12:16] <Saviq> didrocks, k
[12:16] <didrocks> MacSlow: we are trying to get an unity8 release out
[12:16] <MacSlow> didrocks, ah ok
[12:17] <didrocks> thanks guys :)
[12:17] <didrocks> MacSlow: once you have the merge back in trunk, feel free to reapprove
[12:18] <MacSlow> didrocks, I did set mzanetti's branch back to "Needs Review" for the moment then
[12:18] <didrocks> MacSlow: perfect, thanks!
[12:18] <MacSlow> didrocks, all good then?
[12:18] <MacSlow> didrocks, d'accord
[12:18] <didrocks> yep ;)
[12:18] <didrocks> perfect!
[12:18] <sil2100> ACK
[12:19] <sil2100> tsdgeos: any news on that branchie?
[12:37] <greyback> sil2100: fyi https://code.launchpad.net/~gerboland/unity-mir/wait-for-upstart-notification/+merge/198041
[12:37] <didrocks> greyback: \o/
[12:40] <sil2100> \o/
[12:42] <didrocks> tedg: so, upstart-app-launch merged? you are working on content-hub, and about url-dispatcher, will it be just a rebuild needed?
[12:43] <tedg> didrocks, Just top approved.  Branches ready, but I need to get the updated package to publish in the PPA before Jenkins will pass them.
[12:43] <tedg> didrocks, Thinking about grabbing lunch now, as it'll take a while for the PPA to publish.
[12:43] <tedg> didrocks, Then the other MRs can get approved after that.
[12:43] <didrocks> tedg: do you have the branches so that we can top approve meanwhile?
[12:44] <didrocks> if it's in the PPA first
[12:44] <tedg> didrocks, They'll get rejected, I've got them, but Jenkins will be angry.
[12:44] <didrocks> tedg: I mean, just paste the links, we'll deal with them :)
[12:45] <didrocks> we already have the unity-mir link
[12:45] <tedg> Oh, okay.  Just a sec.
[12:45] <tedg> https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/upstart-app-launch/application-starting/+merge/198027
[12:45] <tedg> https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/content-hub/ual2/+merge/198044
[12:45] <tedg> https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/url-dispatcher/ual2/+merge/198045
[12:45] <tedg> didrocks, ^
[12:45] <didrocks> tedg: thanks!
[12:45] <didrocks> sil2100: ^
[12:46] <sil2100> Ouuu yeaaa
[12:48]  * sil2100 waits for the upstart-app-launch merge to be done
[13:07] <sil2100> didrocks, tedg: the upstart branch merged, I'll spin upstart
[13:07] <didrocks> sil2100: please yeah, build it in the ppa
[13:13] <tsdgeos> didrocks: sil2100: it's in
[13:14] <didrocks> \o/
[13:14] <didrocks> sil2100: kicking unity8?
[13:15] <didrocks> sil2100: just done it, to win few minutes :)
[13:19] <sil2100> ;)
[13:20] <sil2100> didrocks: thanks!
[13:20] <sil2100> tsdgeos: thanks as well ;)
[13:28] <Saviq> Mirv, ping
[13:28] <sil2100> Saviq: Mirv has a national holiday today
[13:28] <Saviq> sil2100, ok, maybe you can help - we've a "qtdeclarative5-dev (>= 5.2~) | libqt5v8-5-private-dev"
[13:28] <Saviq> build-depends in unity8
[13:29] <Saviq> that seems to fail on < 5.2, though
[13:29] <Saviq> as it will still try and install qtdeclarative5-dev, but there's only 5.0
[13:29] <Saviq> so goes:  Depends: qtdeclarative5-dev (>= 5.2~) but 5.0.2-6ubuntu5 is to be installed
[13:30] <Saviq> sil2100, wait, that might be incorrect
[13:30] <Saviq> sil2100, ignore
[13:30] <Saviq> sil2100, it's fixed in trunk
[13:35] <greyback> Saviq: who could review https://code.launchpad.net/~gerboland/unity-mir/wait-for-upstart-notification/+merge/198041 ?
[13:35] <Saviq> greyback, /me
[13:36] <greyback> ok
[13:42] <tvoss> Saviq, can I get a review: https://code.launchpad.net/~thomas-voss/process-cpp/fix_pkgconfig_setup/+merge/198025
[13:44] <Saviq> tvoss, looks like more changes than the commit message describes
[13:44] <tvoss> Saviq, yup, will fix the commit message, just saw that, too
[13:44] <Saviq> tvoss, anyway might not get to it today
[13:45] <tvoss> Saviq, ack
[13:45] <didrocks> Saviq: it's in the ppa, so you should be able to approve unity-mir
[13:46] <didrocks> tedg: however, we need someone with content-hub right, seems I don't have them
[13:46] <Saviq> didrocks, daily-build you mean? won't work
[13:46] <Saviq> didrocks, it has to be in distro - we don't build against daily-build now
[13:46] <didrocks> Saviq: why? (yeah, in daily-build)
[13:46] <didrocks> Saviq: hum, we'll have to merge manually then
[13:46] <Saviq> didrocks, bug #1255578
[13:46] <Saviq> didrocks, yeah, will do
[13:47] <Saviq> didrocks, and bug #1255948
[13:47] <Saviq> didrocks, testing now
[13:49] <sil2100> didrocks: as discussed, I'll cherry-pick the url-dispatcher and build in the PPA
[13:49] <didrocks> sil2100: yes ;)
[14:03] <tedg> didrocks, ?
[14:03] <tedg> didrocks, I'm back, did you figure out the content hub thing.
[14:07] <didrocks> tedg: I don't have merge approval power
[14:12]  * sil2100 is the same
[14:16] <Saviq> tvoss, can you approve on content hub ↑?
[14:17] <tvoss> didrocks, mind pinging me the mp url?
[14:18] <Saviq> tvoss, https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/content-hub/ual2/+merge/198044 I think
[14:19] <tvoss> tedg, jenkins is not happy with https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/content-hub/ual2/+merge/198044
[14:21] <didrocks> tvoss: I guess it doesn't have the ppa added
[14:22] <didrocks> tvoss: can you try building it locally as there is no integration tests and merge manually?
[14:22] <didrocks> (as it's on the path of image blocking)
[14:22] <tvoss> didrocks, ack ...
[14:22] <didrocks> thanks
[14:22] <tvoss> didrocks, which ppa, just to make sure
[14:23] <didrocks> tvoss: ~ubuntu-unity/daily-build
[14:24] <tvoss> didrocks, ack
[14:30] <sil2100> didrocks: from what I see, the unity-mir CI also doesn't use daily-build - the CI rebuild still didn't kick in, but from what I see from the earlier logs, no daily-build added
[14:31] <sil2100> didrocks: so we probably have to merge in manually as well ;/
[14:31] <didrocks> sil2100: yeah, sounds legit
[14:45] <sil2100> greyback: hi!
[14:45] <sil2100> greyback: is it safe to merge in https://code.launchpad.net/~gerboland/unity-mir/wait-for-upstart-notification/+merge/198041 or do you need someone to ACK it first?
[14:45] <sil2100> greyback: i.e. did anyone review this already?
[14:55] <sil2100> Saviq: are you reviewing that right now ^ ?
[14:55] <Saviq> sil2100, yes
[14:56] <tvoss> tedg, did you test the fix on the phone?
[15:01] <Saviq> tvoss, we're doing it now with greyback
[15:01] <Saviq> mhr3, https://launchpad.net/~unity-team/+archive/demo-stuff/+packages
[15:05] <tvoss> Saviq, wfm
[15:05] <tvoss> Saviq, but another +1 would be helpful
[15:07] <sil2100> tvoss, Saviq: give me a sign once it's tested and ACKed, you can then either merge it in manually yourself or I'll do it
[15:07] <sil2100> We will spin packages once that's done
[15:15] <mhr3> Saviq, with this it should work without restart - http://paste.ubuntu.com/6530154/
[15:16] <mhr3> (of unity)
[15:16] <mhr3> Saviq, and actually, you shouldn't need to restart the scope either, just new search
[15:19] <Saviq> mhr3, you mean when it works :)
[15:20] <Saviq> mhr3, cool
[15:27] <tsdgeos> :D
[15:27] <tsdgeos> hmmm
[15:27] <tsdgeos> wrong window ...
[15:30] <Cimi> tsdgeos, it's because your screen is red so you confuse windows
[15:43] <mhr3> Saviq, pushed the tiny patch and requested rebuilt in the ppa, should be built in a few minutes
[15:44] <Saviq> mhr3, yup, thanks
[15:44] <Saviq> mhr3, actually got it built here already
[15:44] <mhr3> Saviq, works fine without any restart with your branch ;)
[15:44] <mhr3> Saviq, is card-size the only thing that works for now?
[15:45] <sil2100> Saviq: any news on the upstart/unity-mir testing? :)
[15:45] <Saviq> sil2100, didn't work for me, greyback's verifying the fix and we'll get back to you asap
[15:47] <sil2100> Saviq: :( Ok, good to double test it, wouldn't make sense to release it without having certainity that it works
[15:49] <Saviq> sil2100, we can't install upstart-app-launch on the devices
[15:49] <Saviq> sil2100, it depends on liblttng-ust0, which is not anywhere to be found
[15:54] <mhr3> mhall119, ping?
[15:56] <Saviq> didrocks, ideas where that came from ↑↑ ?
[15:56] <mhall119> mhr3: pong?
[15:56] <didrocks> Saviq: did you built it locally against an old version of the phone image?
[15:57] <Saviq> didrocks, that's from daily-build
[15:57] <didrocks> Saviq: I think cyphermox handled some transition there, so possible that it's not cleaned
[15:57] <didrocks> sil2100: ^
[15:57]  * didrocks is leaving in 3 minutes, no time to look at that for now
[15:57] <mhr3> mhall119, hey, sent you a mail with the latest scopes docs snapshot, could you update it pls?
[15:58] <mhall119> mhr3: sure
[15:59] <sil2100> Saviq, didrocks: was looking at it just now
[15:59] <sil2100> cyphermox: hi, can you shed some light here? ^
[16:01] <didrocks> libupstart-app-launch2 doesn't dep on ust0
[16:01] <Saviq> didrocks, upstart-app-launch does
[16:02] <didrocks>  Depends: libc6 (>= 2.4), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.37.0), libjson-glib-1.0-0 (>= 0.12.0), liblttng-ust0, libnih-dbus1 (>= 1.0.0), libnih1 (>= 1.0.0), libupstart-app-launch2 (>= 0.2), libzeitgeist-2.0-0 (>= 0.9.9), click (>= 0.4.9), click-apparmor, upstart (>= 1.11), zeitgeist
[16:02] <didrocks> Saviq: here ^
[16:02] <didrocks> for upstart-app-launcher
[16:02] <didrocks> launch*
[16:02] <greyback> yes
[16:02] <sil2100> liblttng-ust0 is there
[16:02] <didrocks> yep
[16:02] <didrocks> so, let's see
[16:03] <sil2100> But hm, the armhf version shouldn't depend on that
[16:04] <mhall119> mhr3: done
[16:04] <didrocks> upstart-app-launch depends on liblttng-ust-dev
[16:04] <didrocks> which deps on liblttng-ust2, weird
[16:04] <mhr3> mhall119, thank you
[16:05] <didrocks> Get:222 http://ftpmaster.internal/ubuntu/ trusty-proposed/main liblttng-ust-dev armhf 2.3.0-4 [137 kB]
[16:05] <didrocks> sil2100: there is a bad sync from debian I guess ^ it's in -proposed
[16:05] <sil2100> Well, 0.3+14.04.20131126-0ubuntu1 didn't depend on liblttng-ust0 though, checking the new one
[16:05] <sil2100> didrocks: ah
[16:05] <didrocks> you just need to read the build log :p
[16:06] <sil2100> didrocks: what are you doing here still?!
[16:06] <didrocks> I'm sure debian didn't bump the soname
[16:06] <sil2100> didrocks: shoo shoo!
[16:06] <didrocks> sil2100: so, you need someone to fix from the debian sync
[16:06] <didrocks> bumping the soname
[16:06] <didrocks> upload to proposed
[16:06] <didrocks> get upstart-app-launch rebuilt against it
[16:07]  * sil2100 sighs
[16:07] <didrocks> asac: another case of a package lblocked for 2 days in -proposed that is causing us trouble FYI ^
[16:07] <didrocks> sil2100: would be nice if you can coordinate with someone having upload rights
[16:08] <didrocks> (debian sync)
[16:08] <sil2100> didrocks: will do...
[16:08] <cyphermox> sil2100: Saviq: didrocks: shouldn't it be liblttng-ust2 now?
[16:08] <didrocks> sil2100: everything is clear from my explanations?
[16:08] <didrocks> cyphermox: the debian package synced didn't get bumped
[16:08] <sil2100> cyphermox: it should, but well...
[16:09] <cyphermox> weird that we didn't catch that earler
[16:09] <cyphermox> let me look into it
[16:09] <didrocks> sil2100: or another way is to disable -proposed in the ppa
[16:09] <didrocks> for now
[16:09] <didrocks> kick a rebuild of everything for upstart-app-launch
[16:09] <didrocks> publish
[16:09] <didrocks> then, it won't get blocked on the ust thingy
[16:10] <didrocks> (as it won't use the one in proposed)
[16:10] <didrocks> sil2100: want to do that in parallel?
[16:10] <sil2100> didrocks: disable in daily-build you mean, yes?
[16:10] <sil2100> didrocks: sure, will do that
[16:10] <didrocks> yep
[16:10] <sil2100> cyphermox: in the meantime, could you take a look and ACK http://q-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/view/cu2d/view/Head/view/Unity8/job/cu2d-unity8-head-3.0publish/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/packaging_changes_unity8_7.84+14.04.20131206.1-0ubuntu1.diff ?
[16:11] <didrocks> sil2100: ok, so -proposed disabled from daily-build ppa
[16:11] <sil2100> Since I saw you're around ;) ANd I don't want to keep didrocks from leaving!
[16:11] <didrocks> sil2100: please rekick a rebuild of upstart-app-launch
[16:11] <sil2100> didrocks: ok, hitting rebuild
[16:11] <didrocks> so that you are not blocked on that at least
[16:11] <didrocks> Saviq: FYI ^
[16:13]  * didrocks really goes now, late…
[16:13] <cyphermox> oh teh yuck
[16:19] <cyphermox> I'm not sure removing proposed from the ppa is such a good idea
[16:20] <sil2100> kenvandine: maybe you could take a look and ACK? :) http://q-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/view/cu2d/view/Head/view/Unity8/job/cu2d-unity8-head-3.0publish/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/packaging_changes_unity8_7.84+14.04.20131206.1-0ubuntu1.diff
[16:20] <cyphermox> sil2100: I'm looking at it...
[16:23] <cyphermox> sil2100: looks fine to me
[16:23] <sil2100> cyphermox: thank you!
[16:25] <cyphermox> sil2100: so care to tell me again why upstart-app-launch wasn't good?
[16:26] <cyphermox> oh, because it can't be installed
[16:26] <cyphermox> because the new liblttng isn't done with proposed yet
[16:26] <cyphermox> *sigh*
[16:27] <cyphermox> it would have been sufficient to enable proposed on the device and install that way, with just those packages
[16:27] <mhr3> sil2100, feel free to delete all the https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-unity/+recipes
[16:27] <cyphermox> because now if we don't build against proposed in the PPA we'll have something inconsistent synced to the archive
[16:27] <sil2100> mhr3: hah, good joke, me and delete recipes... ;)
[16:28] <sil2100> cyphermox: yes
[16:28] <sil2100> cyphermox: that's the reason why we disabled -proposed, since otherwise we're blocked
[16:28] <mhr3> robru, ^^ if your lp isn't as bad as sil2100's
[16:28] <cyphermox> sil2100: you aren't any more blocked, you won't be able to publish that package safely.
[16:28] <cyphermox> s/blocked/unblocked
[16:30] <sil2100> True...
[16:30] <sil2100> brb
[16:33] <cwayne> Saviq: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1258571
[16:33] <Saviq> cwayne, cheers
[16:40] <mhr3> mzanetti, one quickie pls - https://code.launchpad.net/~mhr3/unity-scopes-shell/hook-scopes-ng/+merge/198093
[16:55] <robru> mhr3, will try
[17:01] <mhr3> pete-woods, http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cheers&defid=3883722
[17:05] <Saviq> mhr3, mzanetti's gone, /me ack'ed
[17:06] <mhr3> Saviq, thx
[17:14] <Saviq> sil2100, do we have a solution to the upstart issue? rebuild against -proposed or?
[17:19] <Saviq> sil2100, there's a missing dependency on libupstart-app-launch1 against the same version of upstsart-app-launch itself, tedg will try to make it in time before the release - I'm testing the fix now
[17:22] <tedg> https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/upstart-app-launch/system-dep/+merge/198104
[17:22] <tedg> Saviq, ^
[17:25] <greyback> Saviq: new packages landed in the daily ppa, they work for me
[17:25] <Saviq> greyback, yup, just rebooted
[17:28] <mhr3> cwayne, were you able to get the ppa to work/
[17:28] <mhr3> ?
[17:32] <Saviq> robru, can ack a packaging change https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/upstart-app-launch/system-dep/+merge/198104 ?
[17:33] <robru> Saviq, looking
[17:35] <robru> Saviq, approved
[17:35] <Saviq> robru, thanks
[17:35] <robru> Saviq, you're welcome
[17:58] <mhr3> robru, i see the delete was successful, can you also remove the scope-specific description from https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-unity/+archive/daily-build-next ?
[20:20] <sil2100> Saviq: hi! Probably cyphermox already answered, but yes, we have a plan for that
[20:21] <cyphermox> sil2100: yeah, testing the rebuilds locally right now
[20:21] <cyphermox> sil2100: then I'll set proposed back on for the ubuntu-unity PPA...
[20:21] <cyphermox> Saviq: for now though you should be able to install the package from ubuntu-unity to test it locally if that's what you need to do
[20:22] <sil2100> cyphermox: thanks, great work with that :)
[20:24] <cyphermox> sil2100: autopilot is good, unity-scopes-api is good, just wiating for mir to finish in sbuild
[20:24] <cyphermox> then I'll upload all three
[20:24] <cyphermox> sil2100: you sticking around long enough to approve merge requests for the changelog changes?
[20:25] <sil2100> cyphermox: I guess I'll be around for that, so you can send them to me once those are up and ready
[20:28] <cyphermox> k
[20:29] <cyphermox> apprently I don't need to touch unity-scopes-api, the build-dep there is useless :)
[21:00] <mhr3> robru, all good, thanks for support over the whole week ;)
[21:00] <robru> mhr3, no worries, here to help ;-)
[21:48] <sil2100> cyphermox: how's it proceeding?
[22:00] <cyphermox> still rebuilding apparently
[22:00] <cyphermox> oh, wait
[22:00] <cyphermox> mixing things up
[22:00] <cyphermox> I was waiting to make sure autopilot, which is safest, was alright
[22:01] <cyphermox> just waiting for powerpc really
[22:35] <sil2100> cyphermox: ok, I need to EOD now, but I'll be popping up tomorrow anyway
[22:35] <sil2100> cyphermox: could you drop me an e-mail as well how all went?
[22:38] <sil2100> Thanks! Have a nice weekend guys


[16:51] <fretegi> morning guys
[16:51] <fretegi> anyone here savvy with vlans?
[16:51] <fretegi> for osme reason cant get one to fire up
[16:52] <fretegi> https://pastebin.com/M1qkZWbq
[16:52] <fretegi> thats my /etc/network/interfaces
[16:52] <fretegi> followed this guide https://wiki.ubuntu.com/vlan
[16:52] <fretegi> eno1.13 starts fine
[16:57] <tomreyn> fretegi: whihc ubuntu release is this? do you know about netplan, systemd-networkd?
[16:58] <mgedmin> I don't think you need to specify netmask when you put the /24 in the address
[16:58] <tomreyn> netplan + systemd-networkd: https://netplan.io/examples/#attaching-vlans-to-network-interfaces
[16:59] <mgedmin> and the interfaces(5) man page doesn't mention vlan-raw-device, I think it should be able to figure that out from the name
[16:59] <mgedmin> fretegi: typo in your file: you named it eth1.8 instead of eno1.8
[16:59] <mgedmin> took me a while to notice!
[17:00] <mgedmin> hey since when do wiki.ubuntu.com pages no longer show the last modified date?
[17:07] <fretegi> mgedmin, jesus....
[17:07] <fretegi> mgedmin, lol great eye thanks!
[17:08] <tomreyn> mgedmin: wiki.ubuntu.com still shows last modification time + editor for me on the bottom
[17:08] <mgedmin> tomreyn: what does it say about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/vlan ?
[17:09] <tomreyn> nothing :(
[17:09] <fretegi> mgedmin, yea i was wondering about those details myself..  i just put em in there as the guide calls for it.  in fact....  my pihole is on a vlan and the config follows your line of thinking, this device is just more mission critical so figured id follow the guide better
[17:09] <tomreyn> mgedmin: that's until you click on "info" on the top
[17:09] <mgedmin> ah, I can see it in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/vlan?action=info
[17:10] <mgedmin> last updated in 2012, no wonder it doesn't say anything about netplan or systemd-networkd
[17:10] <tomreyn> "use iproute2" also seems old ;)
[17:13] <mgedmin> at least iproute2 is still the current tool at that abstraction level
[17:14] <fretegi> mgedmin, otherwise config looks fine?
[17:15] <fretegi> mgedmin, made those changes and not doesnt seem to want to connect to anything... dang it lol
[17:18] <tomreyn> oh right, iproute2 is fine. i keep mixing those packages up with the commands.
[17:20] <tomreyn> mgedmin: vlan-raw-device is part of the vlan-interfaces extension to interfaces: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/bionic/man5/vlan-interfaces.5.html
[17:21] <tomreyn> but "This is ignored when the devicename is part of the vlan interface name."
[17:21] <mgedmin> cool, I thought it might be
[17:23] <tomreyn> fretegi: do you have the "vlan" package installed (due to deprecation, it moved to universe with 20.04 LTS)?
[17:24] <tomreyn> you didn't say which Ubuntu release you're using, though
[17:24] <fretegi> ah yes good pt
[17:24] <fretegi> ubuntu 18
[17:24] <tomreyn> there's two of those
[17:25] <mgedmin> but one is eol, so hopefully not that one
[17:25] <tomreyn> hopefully!
[17:25] <fretegi> 18.04 haha
[17:25] <fretegi> yea still using vlan package
[17:26] <fretegi> i know i know... this ole dog needs upgrading
[17:27] <tomreyn> 16.04 lts would, no need to rush it for 18.04, yet
[17:28] <fretegi> tomreyn, perhaps im misunderstanding how this works
[17:28] <fretegi> adding a managed switch to a network
[17:30] <fretegi> managed switch created 4 vlan networks..  i have a port trunked for vlans 8 & 13.  i want this server to connect to both vlans
[17:30] <fretegi> so i created the file saw before.  confirmed on boot that both vlan interfaces come up on the server.  i connect to the switch nothing...
[17:30] <fretegi> trying to ping it from a device within the same vlan, so just level 2 routing... nothing..
[17:32] <fretegi> i mean i need the vlan tags on the server do i not? or is it just asking for an IP on the proper subnet of a particular vlan sufficient?
[17:35] <tomreyn> fretegi: whether oyu need to configure the vlans on the server depends on how you want to set things up architecturally. you can do so, or you can have the vlan end on the managed switch and then just hand out single vlans on the ports that connect to the server(s).
[17:36] <tomreyn> you mentioned link aggregation / port trunking, but this is really a different / separate concept to vlans. you can combine the two.
[17:37] <tomreyn> with the current configuration, you're not doing link aggregation, but i assume you're aware of this.
[17:39] <tomreyn> you're making vlans 8 and 13 available to the server through the single physical ethernet interface eno1
[17:39] <fretegi> tomreyn, right, the goal here was to have the server connect to 2 dif. vland ( 8 & 13 ) for purposes of different services being offered to the respective vlans and keeping traffic seperate
[17:40] <fretegi> only 1 nic on server
[17:41] <fretegi> then a trunked interface on the switch for both vlans 8 & 13.  figured the server would 'tag' the traffic per the respective vlan and the switch would handle accordingly.  am i think about this all wrong?
[17:41] <tomreyn> if you just pass through traffic on the switch without removing the vlan layer, your servers' ip addresses should become available to other resources on these LANs.
[17:43] <fretegi> ok going into the switch now, cisco sg350 if that matters
[17:46] <tomreyn> you're right about the server doing the vlan tagging. with your configuration, if you also added the interface to the vlan using vconfig (and ensured the module is loaded), what is directed towards 192.168.8.* should get vlan tag 8, and what is directed towards 192.168.13.* should get vlan tag 13
[17:46] <fretegi> tomreyn, ok thanks for confirming
[17:47] <fretegi> so im in my switch.. the port im connected ive confirmed is set to trunk and tag traffic from those 2 vlans
[17:48] <fretegi> this machine im typing on... is on that vlan 8, via an assigned port on same switch, cant ping server...
[17:49] <fretegi> now my router is issuing the IP's.  so i suppose if server is not getting IP's i cannot route
[17:50] <tomreyn> i'm not so familiar with cisco stuff, but assume you don't want to set vlan tagging on the port the server connects to, unless you want the vlan to end there.
[17:51] <tomreyn> (which you probably dont want, a vlan just between the server and the switch probably makes not a lot of sense)
[17:53] <fretegi> see i was fuzzy about that... so the port that connects the switch to my router is also trunked and tagging traffic and seems to be working fine
[17:54] <tomreyn> apparently you want "Interface VLAN Mode" = "Trunk" https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/support/docs/smb/switches/cisco-250-series-smart-switches/smb5306-assign-an-interface-vlan-as-an-access-or-trunk-port-on-a-swi.html
[17:56] <fretegi> yea thats what i have, just at the port level not LAG
[17:57] <fretegi> im just lost... i dont understand..
[17:58] <fretegi> port is trunked...  referencing the correct vlans...  vlans setup on server..nothing on same vlan can talk to server..
[17:58] <tomreyn> and nothing useful on the logs?
[17:58] <fretegi> of what, cant get to server lol
[17:59] <tomreyn> oh, i assumed you have some means of out of band access
[17:59] <fretegi> i do just a total pita to setup
[17:59] <tomreyn> but if you undo the switch configuration you should be able to access the server and its logs again?
[17:59] <fretegi> seems im gonna have to
[18:00] <tomreyn> this discusses general configuration for vlan tagging https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/support/docs/smb/switches/cisco-350-series-managed-switches/smb5827-configure-vlan-interface-settings-on-a-sx350-sg350x-or-sx550.html
[18:00] <fretegi> sorta, joking that around now actually
[18:07] <fretegi> dude
[18:07] <fretegi> your a rockstar
[18:07] <fretegi> tomreyn, so... check this out
[18:08] <fretegi> tomreyn, so the server connected to port 6 on switch, i trunked and set to tag traffic on vlans 8 & 13
[18:09] <fretegi> i flip it to untagged for vlan 8, tagged for 13.  now i can ping the vlan 8 tag
[18:09] <fretegi> vlan 8*
[18:10] <fretegi> so question is i have a tagged trunk port connecting to the router... why is that working?
[18:30] <tomreyn> fretegi: i think you only apply tags on the outer ends of a vlan, not all devices the traffic passes through.
[18:30] <tomreyn> so if you do it on the server, and the vland expands beyond your switch, then you don't need to do it on the switch
[18:31] <tomreyn> that's unless you want to split the traffic there and have it passed through different ports
[18:33] <tomreyn> there's also ##networking for your general networking architecture questions
[18:33] <fretegi> great call
[18:33] <fretegi> so.... thinking i may not even need a trunk port?
[18:33] <fretegi> i cant have both vlans untagged...
[18:34] <ikonia> has anyone noticed that https://ubuntu.com/download/server shows 20.10 as LTS
[18:35] <mgedmin> lol 5-years of guaranteed support no backsies!
[18:36] <tomreyn> hehe, on the button, right. it does say "including nine months of security and maintenance updates, until July 2021" above it, though.
[18:36] <tomreyn> scroll down, file a but
[18:36] <tomreyn> *bug
[18:36] <mgedmin> awww
[18:37] <ikonia> yeah, read that, but the button headline
[18:54] <WobblyBob> Anyone here running KVM qemu setup with virtmanager? Im struggling to get RDP connection for windows vms
[18:55] <WobblyBob> Using Ubuntu 18.04 server
[18:55] <tomreyn> WobblyBob: you shoudn't need to configure this on the virtualization, as long as the vm has network connectivity
[18:55] <WobblyBob> I know this is whats confusing me :/
[18:58] <WobblyBob> how can i check what port each vm is using
[18:58] <grendal-prime> ?
[18:59] <grendal-prime> the ip address should be enough...are you bridging the network interface or nat?
[18:59] <TJ-> WobblyBob: what type of network is libvirt using? is it NAT, bridged, routed or something else?
[18:59] <grendal-prime> easyst config on that is to bridge a network interface and then have a dhcp server on the phisical network somewhere...
[19:00] <grendal-prime> or after connecting your guest to the bridged adapter set a static ip on the same subnet as your physical network.
[19:01] <grendal-prime> has anyone had to set up an apache2 proxy to a wordpress server?
[19:02] <TJ-> grendal-prime: reverse proxy?
[19:03] <grendal-prime> I have a whole grip of web servers that i can access via virtual hosts...ya referse proxy...anyway they all work fine with like  ops.mydomain.com or dev.mydomai.com  but for some reason the one site that someone wants a wordpress server on...when i try and connect to it..."dev.mydomain.com"  i can see it is usine the ipaddress wich..is internal and of course will not resolve
[19:05] <grendal-prime> eventually times out and in the browser windows shows <IP_ADDRESS>  wich is the ip of the wordpress serer.  Now..i have read that i need ProxyPreserveHost on in the config...but that does not seem to do anything.
[19:09] <grendal-prime> really werid part it worked for some time until i tried to log into the admin portion of it...ive tried clearing cache...nothing its really strange
[19:11] <mgedmin> does wordpress know that it's supposed to live at dev.mydomain.com?
[19:11] <grendal-prime> thats a good question
[19:12]  * mgedmin has never used or configured wordpress, but usually when you do reverse proxying you have to tell the final web server how to generate correct urls to itself
[19:12] <grendal-prime> i dont know didly dick about word-press to be honest.
[19:12] <grendal-prime> hmf....i have not had to do that with any of my other web application servers...
[19:12] <grendal-prime> good idea though
[19:12] <mgedmin> there are possible workarounds on the apache side, but they involve running regexp replaces on the html and just no
[19:13] <mgedmin> also, ProxyPassReverse is a lighter form of that that fixes up things like Location: headers on redirects
[19:19] <compdoc> beam me up, scottie
[19:23] <grendal-prime> mgedmin, you mean i need to use one or the other but not both?  like ProxyPassReverse or ProxyPass but not both?
[19:24] <mgedmin> no, that's not what I mean
[19:24] <mgedmin> you use either ProxyPass alone, or ProxyPass + ProxyPassReverse
[19:24] <mgedmin> but ideally the backend server knows its public name and you don't need to use ProxyPassReverse
[19:24] <mgedmin> besides ProxyPassReverse fixes wrong URLs in headers but doesn't fix them in document bodies
[19:25] <grendal-prime> grr...i knew this thing was going to be a pain in the ass
[19:29] <WobblyBob> Sorry if i missed anything my internets being horrible lol
[19:30] <tomreyn> !irclogs
[19:33] <grendal-prime> dude..you were right
[19:33] <grendal-prime> i need to go get my pelet gun and shoot myself in the foot so i never forget this
[19:35] <grendal-prime> wordpress i accessed it on its wp-admin and settings->general  change the site urls to whatever you set your domainname (incoluding the subdmain) and whammo IT WORKS!
[19:41] <mgedmin> congrats!


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[01:36] <Bashing-om> \o/ Wild_Man Welcome back to IRC :P
[01:38] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, thanks but I am not completely back I finally got my laptop to boot up with a little bit if the monitor working and I am trying to pull files off of it while it is usable which will not be long
[01:38] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Yukkie poo - my heart bleeds for you.
[01:40] <Wild_Man> I just got Ubuntu-Mate working in VB on windows but I do not have it setup yet I am very busy and just have more urgent things at the moment but trying to get as much of it setup tonight as possible
[01:41] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Time: that most important commodity we possess in this world :P Once spent there is no re-do.
[01:42] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, indeed and there is never enough of it
[02:04] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, my files are almost all copied I need to shut this computer down I will talk to you later and I am trying to get irc and all files setup on the windows with vb asap
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[18:46] <cprofitt> pleia2, you here?
[18:46] <pleia2> cprofitt: yep
[18:46] <pleia2> cprofitt: you should send out a note about the class tomorrow! :)
[18:47] <cprofitt> I will -- we have an issue...
[18:47] <cprofitt> forestpixie needs a bit more time if it is available
[18:47] <cprofitt> pleia2, I am also going to setup my blog for future classes as well.
[18:48] <pleia2> that's fine
[18:48] <forestpixie> hi
[18:48] <pleia2> she can have as long as she needs :)
[18:48] <pleia2> nothing else scheduled in here until monday
[18:48] <cprofitt> Sorry for not getting out the email earlier...
[18:49] <cprofitt> with my 20th anniversary being yesterday my mind was on that instead of Ubuntu
[18:50] <forestpixie> :)
[18:51] <cprofitt> I also got a LUGOR meeting organized and booked with a location in two days...
[18:51] <cprofitt> pleia2, where is the mailing list for classroom?
[18:52] <pleia2> ubuntu-classroom
[18:52]  * pleia2 points to /topic
[18:52] <pleia2> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-classroom
[18:52] <pleia2> you can subscribe, or I'll just approve your message when it comes in
[18:53] <cprofitt> k... at work... but doing it now
[18:54] <forestpixie> cprofitt: I know you're at work do you want me to talk about my issue?
[18:56] <cprofitt> no... you can talk with pleia2
[18:56] <cprofitt> to make sure the time is set
[18:57] <forestpixie> ok will do :)
[18:57] <pleia2> forestpixie: yours is the sudo & root?
[18:58] <cprofitt> pleia2, email sent.
[18:58] <forestpixie> no mine is on the 7th Feb - a partition one
[18:58] <forestpixie> this one - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Education/Events/02072009
[18:59] <forestpixie> It's done for an hour but if I can have longer it would be good
[18:59] <pleia2> oh, yes longer is fine
[18:59] <pleia2> cprofitt: just let it through :)
[19:00] <pleia2> forestpixie: it's not unusual for classes to run over their time, so no worries :)
[19:00] <cprofitt> thanks pleia2
[19:00] <forestpixie> oh that's good :) so I don't have to worry too much then - personally I can't see it being less than 90 minutes
[19:01] <forestpixie> cprofitt: have you spoken to bodhi at all about our ideas?
[19:01] <cprofitt> forestpixie, no... I have not...
[19:01] <cprofitt> Would you want me too...?
[19:02] <cprofitt> I have just been handling things and then passing him the final stuff...
[19:02]  * cprofitt ponders if he has forgotten what the 'ideas' are
[19:02] <forestpixie> sorry - he and I have had an idea about my lesson and maybe easwar's - I can drop you a lineif you like = easier while you're at work
[19:03] <forestpixie> a shared virtual terminal for them to watch in real time
[19:04] <cprofitt> ah... yeah that would be nice... tonight we could talk -- past 8pm GMT-5
[19:04] <forestpixie> pleia2: thanks for that - didn't want to have someone knocking on the door :)
[19:04] <pleia2> welcome :)
[19:05] <forestpixie> cprofitt: well I can try and be awake as well - but that's 1AM here :)
[19:05] <cprofitt> you can send me an email at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>too
[19:06] <forestpixie> ok I'll do that - then you'll have some idea of what he and spoke about before you see him :)
[19:06] <pleia2> cprofitt: should set your email client up to use it :)
[19:06] <forestpixie> I can sleep then lol
[19:07] <nhandler> forestpixie: If you want to do that, you should consider using screen ;)
[19:07] <forestpixie> nhandler: yea - we were I think - it's all abit new to me so I forget bits :)
[19:08] <forestpixie> the deal was bodh set up a vm with virtual disks for me to play with - then everyone ssh in as readonly - except me so I could do stuff and they watch
[19:08] <forestpixie> more or less :)
[19:10] <cprofitt> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/15/ubuntu_cant_access_net/
[19:11] <forestpixie> that's like a rash - I've seen it everywhere...
[19:12] <cprofitt> That person should be given the Darwin award for stupidity
[19:16] <pleia2> cprofitt: that is unkind, I would be upset and have trouble if someone sent me a computer with an OS I'd never seen, especially if I encountered problems that made it impossible for me to get my work done
[19:17] <pleia2> I mean, some hacking at it and most of us would be fine, but she's a pretty normal kid
[19:19] <pleia2> plus I think it's an important lesson for us when doing this advocacy stuff, this is the kind of gap we're looking to breach
[19:30] <cprofitt> pleia2, but Dell does not send you Ubuntu machines unless you order it
[19:30] <cprofitt> nor do they make it easy to find
[19:31] <cprofitt> so something doesn't line up IMHO
[19:32] <cprofitt> the fact that she is going to technical school doesn't 'feel' right either
[19:33] <cprofitt> pleia2, but I guess I should not be so quick to call it an Eye Dee Ten Tee error
[19:33] <cprofitt> Then again the sub-headline enraged me a bit...
[19:33] <cprofitt> "Shuttleworth baby kills college dream"
[19:33] <pleia2> cprofitt: so you disagree with the premise of the story that Dell made a mistake, and believe anyone going to a technical school is stupid if they can't make their way around a different OS?
[19:34] <pleia2> Dell does make mistakes, and there are a lot of reasons to go to a technical school
[19:34] <cprofitt> True... Dell does...
[19:34] <cprofitt> and there are lots of reasons to go to technical school.
[19:35] <cprofitt> So it is not Ubuntu that caused the issue... but Dell.
[19:35] <pleia2> yes
[19:35] <pleia2> and the original reporting of the story was great, that news outlet actually helped her out with ubuntu and it ended up being OK in the end
[19:35] <pleia2> but it's the internet, so articles like the one you posted show up...
[19:36] <pleia2> making everyone look stupid and helpless and linux evil
[19:36] <cprofitt> ah....
[19:36] <cprofitt> well I stand corrected and redact my earlier statement
[19:37] <cprofitt> pleia2, it was not clear that Dell made a mistake...
[19:38] <pleia2> cprofitt: you said yourself that the ubuntu option is hard to find, do you really think someone could order one by mistake?
[19:38] <cprofitt> pleia2, so as I read it she was going to an IT program (hence the need for the computer) at a technical college and ordered an Ubuntu machine on purpose
[19:38] <pleia2> it's not like they are cheaper, and there are warnings when you're placing the order
[19:39] <cprofitt> pleia2, no... I do not think they would order one by mistake...
[19:39] <pleia2> cprofitt: she said she'd never even heard of Ubuntu
[19:39] <cprofitt> but a person could order it not knowing that they had...
[19:39] <cprofitt> if they were directed too by a 'friend' or some such
[19:39] <pleia2> I think Dell making a mistake is much more likely
[19:40] <cprofitt> pleia2, if I read it as Dell made a mistake then clearly she is not the issue... it was the slant I took on it... that caused my original reaction
[19:40] <pleia2> ah :)
[19:40] <cprofitt> and to be honest, the hack job that the article did in explaining things
[19:41] <cprofitt> it really comes off as a made up story that is trying to stick it to Ubuntu and Shuttleworth
[19:41] <cprofitt> the second tag line about "Shuttleworth baby kills college dream" really sets a negative tone with the focus on Ubuntu
[19:41]  * pleia2 just dislikes the immediate knee-jerk reaction of so many Linux users to call someone "stupid" when they have problems with a new OS
[19:41] <cprofitt> if it had said "Dell error causes college delay" I would have taken it differently
[19:42] <pleia2> the original story is called "27 News Troubleshooter: Woman blames Dell for missing online classes"
[19:43] <pleia2> and they're doing a follow up story because of all the attention
[19:43] <pleia2> "Ubuntu Users Send Hate E-Mail, Flood WKOWTV.COM Over Story"
[19:43] <pleia2> makes me sad :(
[19:43] <cprofitt> The original title is the correct one...
[19:44] <cprofitt> and would have caused me to more accurately read the article
[19:44] <cprofitt> and not 'jump' to a conclusion
[19:44]  * cprofitt smiles
[19:45] <cprofitt> thanks for setting me strait
[19:45] <cprofitt> I dislike knee-jerk reactions as well... and actually use Windows so I would not bash people based on OS preference
[19:45] <cprofitt> I am not a zealot
[19:45] <pleia2> The young woman also contacted 27 News to report she's being harassed on her Facebook account by Ubuntu users.
[19:45]  * pleia2 sighs
[19:45] <pleia2> http://www.wkowtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=9682258&nav=menu1362_2
[19:46] <pleia2> it's really upsetting
[19:47] <cprofitt> That is bad -- Ubuntu users should not harass her


[09:31] <rmg51> Morning
[09:49] <JonathanD> Morning.
[11:10] <InHisName> Morning
[12:08] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys and everything else
[16:55] <ChinnoDog> I make request for light but speedy laptop, work orders me heavy but speedy beast. hmm
[16:56] <ChinnoDog> Faster than what I asked for but it could be a back breaker
[16:57] <jthan> lol
[16:57] <jthan> oh god.
[16:57] <jthan> Gotta get a rig from falcon northwest.
[16:58] <ChinnoDog> I am going to need a backpack.
[16:59] <jthan> ChinnoDog: http://www.buydig.com/shop/product.aspx?sku=WRGA730514&ref=PLA&omid=103&CAWELAID=1503881288&catargetid=1889109595&cadevice=c&&cagpspn=pla
[16:59] <pleia2> light+speedy is expensive :)
[17:00] <ChinnoDog> It wasn't insanely fast. Dual core i7. Benchmarks said it was pretty fast for its hardware.
[17:00]  * ChinnoDog shrugs
[17:08] <MutantTurkey> i have a good backpack...
[17:09] <MutantTurkey> http://www.amazon.com/Condor-Assault-Pack-Black-3038-Cubic/dp/B004VRKWR4
[17:09] <MutantTurkey> sorry I have the compact one: http://www.amazon.com/Condor-Compact-Assault-Black-1362-Cubic/dp/B00652GI1C/ref=sr_1_1?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1377623356&sr=1-1&keywords=condor+backpack
[17:09] <MutantTurkey> which is already more than enough
[17:10] <MutantTurkey> http://imgur.com/mV3Wpha
[17:15] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: get a handtruck
[17:19] <ChinnoDog> MutantTurkey: Even the compact one is huge
[17:19] <ChinnoDog> jedijf: :-p
[17:24] <MutantTurkey> yeah exactly
[17:24] <MutantTurkey> the compact holds a ton of stuff
[17:24] <MutantTurkey> like
[17:24] <MutantTurkey> 6-8 bibles if you want it in terms of that
[17:24] <MutantTurkey> a half case of beer also
[17:25] <ChinnoDog> I don't want to hold bibles. I just want it to hold my laptop and a few bare essentials
[17:25] <jedijf> hmmm, odd references
[17:25] <jedijf> 8 bibles or half case of beer
[17:26] <MutantTurkey> LOL
[17:26] <MutantTurkey> ChinnoDog: so a half case of beer
[17:26] <MutantTurkey> it holds my 12.5 inch perfectly
[17:26] <MutantTurkey> in my lenovo case
[17:26] <MutantTurkey> + it has a camelbak slot
[17:26] <MutantTurkey> and I can fit my 3D maglight in the side slots
[17:26] <jedijf> 3 bibles - half case of beer - 2 packs of smokes
[17:26] <MutantTurkey> + ample space for 1st aid kit, generic tools, school books
[17:27] <MutantTurkey> i'm big on edc
[17:27] <MutantTurkey> 25 ft of chord
[17:27] <MutantTurkey> everything you might need
[17:27] <MutantTurkey> and my hd280's fit perfectly in there as well
[17:27] <MutantTurkey> also packs agood amount of food for day trips
[17:27] <MutantTurkey> and the side clips and molle extensions allow for more packs to attach with a carabeaner or whatever
[17:28] <MutantTurkey> so
[17:28] <MutantTurkey> like this size thing
[17:28] <MutantTurkey> http://www.amazon.com/Tactical-First-Pouch-MOLLE-Compatible/dp/B005ZGSQPK/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1377624489&sr=8-2&keywords=molle+small+pouch
[17:28] <MutantTurkey> adds on easily
[17:29] <ChinnoDog> I found out is a Latitude E6530
[17:29]  * ChinnoDog google specs
[17:46] <adom> $20 for a pouch seems pricey. just sayin.
[17:46] <MutantTurkey> what pouch?
[17:46] <adom> that link
[17:46] <MutantTurkey> I was talking about the size of it
[17:46] <adom> oh
[17:46] <MutantTurkey> not the actual one
[17:46] <MutantTurkey> yeah
[17:47] <MutantTurkey> i got 2/$20
[17:47] <adom> that seems better
[17:51] <compukid> Is anyone here from Delaware?
[17:56] <MutantTurkey> is anyone really from deleware?
[17:57] <JonathanD> Is Delaware real?
[17:57] <MutantTurkey> which begs the question: where are we from? What is land ownership? How did we come about? Who did the native americans steal land from?
[17:58] <JonathanD> I think compukid is just trying to build up his channel/de group. Which is fine, but I've never actually met anyone from deleware that I know of :P
[17:58] <JonathanD> Maybe a few of us could hop in there, though, so when he does get somebody they see other people.
[17:58] <MutantTurkey> i once passed through a land called delwarre
[17:58] <MutantTurkey> compukid: smelled like eggs
[17:58] <MutantTurkey> i had this horrible dream last night actually, about driving back to OBX because i forgot my tooth brush
[17:59] <compukid> MutantTurkey: What part of Delaware smelled like eggs?
[17:59] <MutantTurkey> the other half of that dream was pulling my family in a oak-barrel to devils pool in fairmount park
[17:59] <MutantTurkey> compukid: probably near the shore
[17:59] <compukid> I'm there right now and it doesn't smell like eggs.
[17:59] <MutantTurkey> no idea then
[20:46] <ChinnoDog> I brought the laptop home. It is heavy. :-\