[12:00] <tony__> mwe: hmm my changes have dissapeared... thats wierd!
[12:00] <Flogiston> should i delete the apache default?
[12:00] <sobersabre> mobodo have you certainly gone through the manual ?
[12:00] <sethk> Khisanth, my firefox works fine.  I downloaded it from the firefox site, though, it isn't a package, which has a down side
[12:00] <DoctorMO> mwe: I've got to admit I'm not impressed with apt-get no one knows how to use it
[12:00] <mwe> DoctorMO: it's not even 5 months old
[12:00] <tatters> Doe I have to create a root account and login with that to get mysql-server working with ubuntu
[12:00] <mwe> DoctorMO: then use another distro
[12:00] <navarone> DoctorMO, I use it...and it works for me
[12:00] <mwe> DoctorMO: I think it rocks.
[12:00] <mobodo> sobersabre: the manual covers only windows
[12:01] <NickIsMagic> argh
[12:01] <Khisanth> sethk: you know, I never should have believe those people that told me ubuntu was better -_-
[12:01] <DoctorMO> but I'm downloading it now anyway
[12:01] <paulproteus|lapt> DoctorMO: I know how to use it.  Maybe I can help you.
[12:01] <sethk> Khisanth, nothing is "better" or not better, things are only more or less appropriate for a particular use
[12:01] <plett> i'm looking to buy a 54g wifi card that supports WPA-PSK and will run on my Breezy laptop, preferably without using ndiswrapper. what would people recommend? preferably mini-pci, but pcmcia would also work.
[12:01] <mwe> DoctorMO: and because you don't know how to use it doesn't mean no one does
[12:01] <mobodo> sobersabre: when I start up the computer it says it sees the raid disk and it's fine
[12:01] <sobersabre> mobodo usually, when using hardware RAID, there's some kind of preparement that should be done before the 'formatting'
[12:01] <DoctorMO> Adding the wine repositorie to the sources.list file ... no one knows
[12:01] <NickIsMagic> Ubuntu told me to put "boot /vmlinuz root=/dev/hdc3" inside grub. But its saying that root=/dev/hdc3 is invalid!
[12:01] <sobersabre> mobodo have you 'initialized' the RAID device ?
[12:01] <paulproteus|lapt> mikeym: By policy, neither Ubuntu nor Debian has download mirrors for security updates.
[12:01] <Khisanth> sethk: thus far it is the worst of any OS I have used and that includes windows me :)
[12:02] <tatters> plett look for anything with rt2500 chipset...they work for me
[12:02] <DoctorMO> mwe: well you don't or you would have been more help
[12:02] <mobodo> sobersabre: initialized, as in formatted?
[12:02] <sethk> Khisanth, perhaps it isn't the right o/s for you.  It definitely isn't for everyone
[12:02] <NickIsMagic> anyone can help me?
[12:02] <rysiek> sethk: hmmm: open("/etc/shadow", O_RDONLY)           = -1 EACCES (Permission denied)
[12:02] <rysiek> but...
[12:02] <tony__> canges in menu.lst for grub : it seems to dissapear everytim i add it and update.grub,,, wierd?
[12:02] <plett> tatters: thanks. is the driver for that in the stock kernel?
[12:02] <bandfm> What the heck.
[12:02] <DoctorMO> paulproteus|lapt: adding 'deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt breezy' to my apt-list gives me an error
[12:02] <Khisanth> sethk: well when someone installs a browser such as firefox, no one expects running the "firefox" command to do nothing but hang
[12:02] <paulproteus|lapt> rysiek: Sounds like you meant to "sudo" that command.
[12:02] <tatters> yup
[12:02] <sobersabre> mobodo, 1st you make the controller take over the HDDs, it is called to initialize the RAID.
[12:03] <xored_> pashaw: how to remove the old drivers properly ? deleting the aliasis in modprobe P?
[12:03] <glacious> crimsun: see what i mean?  RADEON(0): *Mode "1280x1024@60": 157.5 MHz (scaled from 0.0 MHz), 91.1 kHz, 85.0 Hz  <--- 85 is not in the config file, but (**) denotes 'from config file'
[12:03] <paulproteus|lapt> DoctorMO: I see.  What error does it give you?
[12:03] <bandfm> My screen is now scrambled with the liveCD, too.
[12:03] <sethk> Khisanth, I haven't had that experience with firefox
[12:03] <rysiek> paul: nope
[12:03] <sobersabre> then you partition it and only then you format partitions.
[12:03] <bandfm> It worked before I installed it, then.
[12:03] <bandfm> though*
[12:03] <mwe> DoctorMO: maybe you should add the right line like it says on winehq
[12:03] <DoctorMO> E: Malformed line 27 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse)
[12:03] <Stormx2> whats a good ext3 viewer for windows?
[12:03] <Foller> hey, someone can gimme a little help? how can i access my NTFS partitions from ubuntu?
[12:03] <sethk> rysiek, possibly something is running suid, and is now suid to the wrong id?
[12:03] <DoctorMO> mwe: that dosn't work either
[12:03] <mobodo> sobersabre: I'm pretty sure I've done the initialization
[12:03] <mwe> DoctorMO: deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ binary/
[12:03] <sobersabre> mobodo so... which stages have you been through
[12:03] <rysiek> sethk: possible
[12:03] <sethk> rysiek, because you said that you checked and shadow has the correct permissions
[12:03] <mobodo> sobersabre: that's done from the BIOS, right?
[12:03] <NickIsMagic> someone helps in this channel?
[12:03] <tatters> works out the box with WEP only had to edit interfaces.conf to get it to use wpa
[12:03] <mwe> DoctorMO: then sudo apt-get update and then install wine
[12:03] <glacious> crimsun: and i changed it to 60-75, still is @ 85hz =(
[12:04] <rysiek> sethk: -rw-r-----  1 root shadow 1161 2006-01-19 23:29 /etc/shadow
[12:04] <sethk> Foller, you mount it.  If it is there at the time you install, it will be already mounted.
[12:04] <sobersabre> mobodo, usually the enablement is done via something like BIOS, and it should take several minutes at least.
[12:04] <bandfm> sigh
[12:04] <crimsun> glacious: then you need to force a specific modeline
[12:04] <sethk> rysiek, that matches mine
[12:04] <mobodo> hmmm, no, it was nearly instant
[12:04] <rysiek> sethk: the same on the other system
[12:04] <mobodo> it's probably not initialized then :)
[12:04] <max> what time is it?
[12:04] <sethk> rysiek, yes, and the same on my system
[12:04] <rysiek> sethk: yep
[12:04] <glacious> crimsun: as i have done already in the 'Monitor' section?
[12:04] <Foller> sethk - well... that has not happened. dunno why.
[12:04] <sobersabre> mobodo, then now you need to partition and format.
[12:04] <Stormx2> any ideas? ext3 viewer for windows?
[12:04] <sethk> rysiek, so if it isn't the file being opened, then it has to be something with the opener
[12:05] <rysiek> sethk: maybe /sbin/passwd?
[12:05] <sethk> rysiek, or, possibly, with a directory
[12:05] <thingfish> misfit_toy: you watching?
[12:05] <rysiek> sethk: checking
[12:05] <mzinz> Hey, When I'm at my home directory in terminal it won't let me execute a bin file.. anyone know why?
[12:05] <mobodo> sobersabre: they also mention that I should install windows drivers
[12:05] <mzinz> I type the first few letters and try to tab it in, but it doesn't even think the file exists in the dir
[12:05] <sethk> rysiek, you can find out what was running with strace, with the -ff and -o flags
[12:05] <sobersabre> mobodo and linux drivers.
[12:05] <Foller> sethk - however i mounted it on a directory later, but i couldn't access it from any other user than root
[12:05] <mobodo> sobersabre: but I guess it doesn't apply to ubuntu?
[12:05] <mobodo> oh
[12:05] <DoctorMO> mwe: I see Adapt had screwed the line over somehow... and then died when it tried to read it back
[12:05] <sethk> Foller, that's normal.  You have to use mount options uid= and gid= to access the ntfs partition as other than root
[12:06] <mwe> DoctorMO: I don't know adept. I use the command line
[12:06] <mzinz> Terminal isn't recognizing a .bin file in my home directory.  Any clue what I'm doing wrong?
[12:06] <crimsun> Modeline "1280x1024_75.00"  138.54  1280 1368 1504 1728  1024 1025 1028 1069  -HSync +Vsync
[12:06] <sethk> Foller, do man mount, and search for ntfs, the options are described there
[12:06] <Stormx2> ok then :( Ill try later.
[12:06] <tatters> root@server1:/home/paul# mysql -u root -p Enter password:
[12:06] <tatters> ERROR 1045: Access denied for user: 'root@localhost' (Using password: YES)
[12:06] <bimberi> mzinz: do an "ls" to make sure the file is there
[12:06] <crimsun> glacious: I have no idea where you got yours
[12:06] <sobersabre> mobodo you need to know what chipset is the RAID controller.
[12:06] <mzinz> bimberi, i do, and it sees it
[12:06] <mobodo> sobersabre: Oh, I see, they explain how to initialize, but only from Windows
[12:06] <mwe> DoctorMO: it works perfectly here
[12:06] <mzinz> bimberi, then if i hit 'r' and tab, like 50 files show up that it doesn't see when i ls
[12:06] <rysiek> sethk: got the bastard: -rwxrwxr-x  1 root staff 26616 2005-05-18 08:33 /usr/bin/passwd
[12:06] <mwe> DoctorMO: clean up /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:06] <Foller> sethk - ok, thanks. gonna try that
[12:06] <rysiek> sethk: should be: -rws(...) :) thx for the help
[12:07] <glacious> crimsun: i used modeline generator on a web page.
[12:07] <sethk> rysiek, np, hope that's the only file with the problem  :)
[12:07] <sobersabre> mobodo, in order to talk to the raid controller, you need to load some module ( driver ) then you should see the RAID device as if it ia a huge scsi disk.
[12:07] <dwerf> is there an alternative to skype, with which it is possible to log in to skype?
[12:07] <mzinz> bimberi, nvm it finally worked, not sure why
[12:07] <Khisanth> sethk: it seems the firefox from mozilla.org does work but not the one from packages
[12:07] <DoctorMO> mwe: it'll be alright on the night, sorry for being upset with you
[12:07] <crimsun> glacious: it wasn't http://sh.nu/nvidia/gtf.php, I'm guessing.
[12:07] <sobersabre> ( or IDE )
[12:07] <glacious> crimsun: i'll try that one out.
[12:07] <sethk> rysiek, mine is also user root and group root, in addition to rwsr-xr-x
[12:07] <bimberi> mzinz: great, cause you had me stumped :)
[12:07] <mwe> DoctorMO: don't worry
[12:07] <Flogiston> do i have to restart apacheto update the content in /var/www ?
[12:07] <mobodo> sobersabre: can I do that from linux? I don't have any windows cd :(
[12:07] <rysiek> sethk: checking ;)
[12:07] <sethk> Khisanth, that's a bit odd, but at least your problem is solved.
[12:07] <Khisanth> sethk: one of many problems
[12:08] <sethk> Khisanth, it's a much newer release so you are better off with that one anyway
[12:08] <sethk> Khisanth, but there has to be some root cause of that, and your other problems.  Not that I can say what that might be.
[12:08] <Khisanth> sethk: still need to figure why I have these giant fonts and why my network is running at 10k, some how I remeber the livecd being a lot nicer!
[12:08] <xored_> am i able to install a 686 kernel on a centrio ?
[12:08] <bandfm> Will installing with video=ofonly configure ubuntu to boot with video=ofonly? If so, is there a way to change it without reinstalling? -_o
[12:09] <thingfish> xored: sure
[12:09] <sobersabre> mobodo check out if it is supported, and if so, checkout which module you need to install. I am 99% sure nvidia has drivers for linux.
[12:09] <bimberi> xored_: yes
[12:09] <sethk> Khisanth, clearly something went wrong during the install, the speed should be identical to what you saw with the cd, if not better
[12:09] <mzinz> bimberi, im installing real player to /usr/bin/, one of the questions asked me if i want symbolic links (yes), next questoin is "enter prefix for symbolic links" what does that mean?
[12:09] <thingfish> hey bipolar!  I'm you.
[12:09] <mobodo> sobersabre: thanks, I'll look it up!
[12:09] <Khisanth> sethk: that is actually the most annoying part, the fact that the livecd works better than the installed versions
[12:09] <sobersabre> good luck.
[12:09] <sobersabre> :)
[12:09] <theine> Hi, could anybody with an up-to-date Dapper system please tell me which package /usr/bin/X11/X belongs to?
[12:09] <rysiek> sethk: AOK, thx once more
[12:10] <sethk> rysiek, np
[12:10] <rysiek> going to get some sleep, cu all
[12:10] <mzinz> bimberi, Copying RealPlayer files...configure system-wide symbolic links? [Y/n] : ..Y
[12:10] <mzinz> enter the prefix for symbolic links [/usr] : .............................
[12:10] <thingfish> cu = asshole in portuguese.
[12:10] <mwe> theine: someone said to correct gdm.conf
[12:10] <bipolar> thingfish: join the club
[12:10] <sethk> Khisanth, that most definitely should not, and normally does not, happen.  I would be tempted to reinstall.
[12:10] <picasso> thingfish is cu
[12:10] <thingfish> hehe bipolar
[12:10] <theine> mwe, what?
[12:10] <crimsun> theine: none
[12:10] <mobodo> oh, no nforce4 driver from nvidia for linux :(
[12:10] <mwe> theine: nm
[12:11] <crimsun> mwe: that's just a temporary hack I suggested
[12:11] <bimberi> mzinz: looks like it's what directory to put them in - i'm guessing though
[12:11] <theine> crimsun, but X appearently won't start without it...
[12:11] <mzinz> bimberi, hmm
[12:11] <theine> crimsun, at least on my system
[12:11] <DoctorMO> mwe: interesting it does fix the bug, but now ig2.exe can't find the cd...
[12:11] <xored_> bimberi: iam trying to compile my one kernel now. When i comile it with the centrino, it automatically a 686 ? i mean there are no 386 / 686 sources
[12:12] <mwe> DoctorMO: what's ig2.exe?
[12:12] <P8ntKid_> What is that bit torrent client that comes with ubuntu called?
[12:12] <DoctorMO> mwe: industry giant 2 (jowood)
[12:12] <glacious> crimsun: i have to aptitude install gcc for this to work first.
[12:12] <anjin_> This is probably asked all the time.. but I can't seem to set my screen resolution above 800x600.  A lot of my applications  use larger windows and it cuts off some of the options I need.  I edited xorg.conf with my monitors v&h refresh rates... that didnt do anything.  any suggestions?
[12:12] <mwe> DoctorMO: is it supposed to work with wine?
[12:12] <crimsun> theine: it's an invalid symlink. /usr/bin/X11/X should point to /usr/bin/X11/Xorg
[12:12] <navarone> P8ntKid_, mine is just called BitTorrent
[12:13] <mzinz> bimberi, when installing something to /usr/bin/ (thats where a lot of programs are installed, right?), should i usually make a new dir inside of bin/, or just install all of the files there in the bin/ dir itself?
[12:13] <_jason> P8ntKid_: it's gnome bittorent I believe
[12:13] <Elsan_> How can I make the Konversation background transparent like in Xchat?
[12:13] <crimsun> theine: alternately, you can use /etc/X11/X or /usr/bin/Xorg directly
[12:13] <Khisanth> sethk: heh if I am reinstalling, gentoo would be "simpler" and easier as far as having things "just work", though probably about 40 times longer to install :)
[12:13] <bimberi> xored_: the processor flavour is a selection you make within the configuration (make menuconfig)
[12:13] <DoctorMO> mwe: no one has ever got it to, so I'm out on a limb
[12:14] <mwe> DoctorMO: I see
[12:14] <nekostar> sup
[12:14] <bimberi> mzinz: it is, although it's better to put your own stuff in /usr/local/bin and leave /usr/bin to your package manager
[12:14] <nekostar> really wierd error on totem:
[12:14] <navarone> DoctorMO, is ig2 a game?
[12:14] <P8ntKid_> _jason: How do i run it using a terminal?
[12:14] <DoctorMO> navarone: yes :-)
[12:14] <mzinz> bimberi, oh, i see.  so should i just toss all the files in there or make a new dir for each app?
[12:14] <nekostar> when i have some files that ive added with the panel and + button, then go to add more it gives a seg fault and crashes
[12:14] <theine> crimsun, yes, I used /etc/X11/X, but was /usr/bin/X11/X part of any package before (or will it be)?
[12:14] <nekostar> but even wierder it does not crash when i just drop the files into it
[12:14] <crimsun> theine: it will be valid, as I described.
[12:14] <nekostar> any clue on what could be happening?
[12:15] <navarone> DoctorMO, I don't use wine but I hear cedega is better for games...although I am sure it has issues of it's own
[12:15] <nekostar> i get the same error on regular and totem-xine btw
[12:15] <theine> crimsun, ok, thanks
[12:15] <_jason> P8ntKid_: gnome-btdownload
[12:15] <anjin_> anyone?
[12:15] <mwe> navarone: like only working for 1/1000 games
[12:15] <bimberi> mzinz: i would put the files in subdirectories of /usr/local and create symbolic links to their executables in /usr/local/bin
[12:15] <glacious> crimsun: i can't even compile it.
[12:15] <DoctorMO> navarone: so I hear but the registion didn't work and I'm rather upset that you need to pay a subscription
[12:15] <navarone> mwe...nice odds...lol
[12:15] <crimsun> glacious: ...compile it?
[12:15] <navarone> ahh...subascription eh
[12:15] <crimsun> glacious: what are you trying to compile?
[12:15] <mzinz> bimberi, why put the links in bin/ instead of the other way around? thats just standard?
[12:16] <mzinz> bimberi, cause it seems like i would want the symbolic links in a directory closer to root rather than farther
[12:16] <mwe> navarone: and for the ones that work only 1/10 works without any issues
[12:16] <anjin_> Guess not
[12:16] <navarone> mwe...that's why i keep windows...<sigh>
[12:16] <mwe> navarone: yeah
[12:16] <glacious> that gtf.c you gave me a link to.
[12:17] <crimsun> glacious: no, I gave you a link to the php
[12:17] <crimsun> glacious: don't compile it at all
[12:17] <glacious> crimsun: i downloaded the program.  =)   now i see the input boxes there.
[12:17] <bimberi> mzinz: suit yourself - i do it that way because /usr/local/bin is in the default path so typing "realplay" (or whatever) will just work
[12:17] <P8ntKid_> How come in azureus. It will get all the seeds and pears, but it wont start downloading?
[12:17] <Kyral> Firewall?
[12:17] <mwe> navarone: I have windows only on my desktop pc since it's mostly for games anyway. ubuntu only on the notebook
[12:17] <mzinz> bimberi, Ohhhhhh
[12:17] <navarone> anjin you should post your xorg.conf on pastebin and let people take a look
[12:17] <mzinz> bimberi, i had no idea
[12:18] <NickIsMagic> Ubuntu told me to put "boot /vmlinuz root=/dev/hdc3" inside grub. But its saying that root=/dev/hdc3 is invalid! ANYONE can help me?
[12:18] <Jesusaurus-Rex> How do I run a command on boot?
[12:18] <anjin_> sorry, linux noob... what's patebin?
[12:18] <mzinz> bimberi, makes sense.  now, if i just installed realplayer to /usr/bin/ and im not sure exactly what files where installed, is there any way to find out and uninstall so i can re-do it?
[12:18] <crimsun> glacious: besides, it already exists in the xserver-xorg-core package
[12:18] <nbound> !pastebin
[12:18] <ubotu> I guess pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[12:18] <mwe> NickIsMagic: you should put the correct device name, not copy some suggestion verbatim
[12:18] <Jesusaurus-Rex> How do I run a command on boot?
[12:19] <flashy-need-help> jesus
[12:19] <flashy-need-help> this one is really full
[12:19] <mwe> Jesusaurus-Rex: you can put it in /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh
[12:19] <owner> is it okay to compile a kernel using sudo -i
[12:19] <bimberi> mzinz: see if there was a logfile created by the install
[12:19] <owner> or do i need to enable the root account
[12:19] <anjin_> Ok, I'll take a look and see if I can upload the xorg.conf...
[12:19] <tatters> /usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at 'server1' failed
[12:19] <tatters> error: 'Host 'localhost.localdomain' is not allowed to connect to this MySQL server'
[12:19] <tatters>    <anyone know what thats all about?
[12:19] <Jesusaurus-Rex> thank you mwe
[12:19] <mcdenyer> mwe hello again
[12:19] <mwe> owner: that's fine
[12:19] <nbound> flashy-need-help, it wasnt 10hrs ago
[12:19] <mzinz> bimberi, it would be in /usr/bin/ i guess?
[12:19] <navarone> anjin go to /etc/X11/ and find the file xorg.conf. Open in text editor and copy contents and then paste that into pastebin and return with the url for folks to go to it
[12:19] <mwe> Jesusaurus-Rex: do you know what the correct device is?
[12:19] <owner> im compiling the 2.6.15 latest kernel
[12:19] <flashy-need-help> anyone in here can help me to install java jdk and jre ?
[12:19] <Jesusaurus-Rex> mwe, eh?
[12:20] <mcdenyer> i made a hoary boot disc along time with out any problems but i cant with breezy
[12:20] <Jesusaurus-Rex> I must not
[12:20] <bimberi> mzinz: maybe, or wherever the install script is located
[12:20] <mcdenyer> c an somone help?
[12:20] <mwe> Jesusaurus-Rex: nm
[12:20] <_jason> ubotu: tell flashy-need-help about java
[12:20] <mwe> Jesusaurus-Rex: nick confusion :)
[12:20] <P8ntKid_> How come in azureus. It will get all the seeds and pears, but it wont start downloading?
[12:20] <tatters> surely the machine mysql-server is installed  on should be able to access it
[12:20] <mcdenyer> need help making simple breezy boot disc
[12:20] <navarone> mcdenyer...you mean you want to put grub on floppy to boot?
[12:21] <bimberi> mzinz: also, theres an "ubuntu" way of installing realplayer described at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[12:21] <mcdenyer> navarone, no just onto a cd
[12:21] <mzinz> bimberi, permission denied, and when i do sudo it doesn't work, how should i do that?
[12:21] <navarone> mcdenyer, you have no floppy?
[12:21] <mcdenyer> navarone, i dled breexy and burned it to disc and it wont work
[12:21] <bimberi> mzinz: what was the command?
[12:21] <mcdenyer> navarone, yeah i have floppies
[12:21] <fileman> hey i have a few questions
[12:21] <glacious> crimsun: i commented out all other modelines, commented out the V + H sync, and pasted in the one generated there.  still 85hz.
[12:21] <mcdenyer> navarone, is that easier?
[12:21] <theneonshadow> I need some help networking
[12:21] <mzinz> bimberi, well if i do /usr/bin/install.log i get permission denied, if i do sudo /usr/bin/install.log i get command not found
[12:21] <cello_rasp> how do i get NetworkManager to start?
[12:21] <flashy-need-help> _jason can i pm u ?
[12:21] <fileman> about disabbling power management
[12:22] <nbound> glacious, still probs with that :(
[12:22] <navarone> mcdenyer, are you sure you burned the image as an image or as data?
[12:22] <mzinz> bimberi, oops got it
[12:22] <mzinz> bimberi, forgot to gedit
[12:22] <bimberi> mzinz: you got it :)
[12:22] <mcdenyer> navarone, well i tried to save as image but it owuldnt let me
[12:22] <_jason> flashy-need-help: you should just ask here so everyone can help you.  Was ubotu's link not helpful?
[12:22] <mzinz> bimberi, its blank, maybe ill reinstall to home and see what it installs
[12:22] <mcdenyer> ubuntu wouldnt let me
[12:22] <fileman> power management makes my laptop slow
[12:22] <anjin_> back... here's the link to the xorg.conf I uploaded to pastebin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7394
[12:22] <fileman> and i dont use the batteries
[12:22] <mcdenyer> navarone, ubuntu wouldnt let me
[12:22] <navarone> mcdenyer, if what is on your cd is somefilename.iso then it will not boot
[12:22] <bimberi> mzinz: good idea
[12:22] <mzinz> bimberi, can i execute a bin file through GUI?
[12:23] <flashy-need-help> no _jason i cant download it from sun i have a ubuntu server only shell no mozilla or something else on it
[12:23] <fileman> setup stalls copying files to the HD
[12:23] <theneonshadow> I have two computers on the internet in this house. One of them (windows) is directly connected to a modem (SBC YAHOO wan mini port) to get internet, the modem is hooked up to a wireless router, which feeds the internet to this computer (Linux). How do i share files bewteen these two computers
[12:23] <mcdenyer> navarone, ok how do i make one that will bot?
[12:23] <nbound> theneonshadow, connect them both to the router
[12:23] <navarone> mcdenyer, why won't ubuntu let you burn it properly?
[12:23] <mwe> navarone: it will
[12:24] <theneonshadow> I don't think i have the cables to hook the windows computer to the router
[12:24] <_jason> flashy-need-help: you can get the url and wget it or you can use the javadebs, did you ask ubotu about javadebs?
[12:24] <navarone> mwe he said it would not
[12:24] <mcdenyer> navarone, well i dled the .iso and placed it into the cd folder then hit burn and it said it cant make it as an image
[12:24] <bimberi> mzinz: you could <alt>F2 but it would be better from the command line
[12:24] <dst> theneonshadow: use a floppy disc ...
[12:24] <glacious> nbound: yes sir.
[12:24] <mcdenyer> navarone, but i am readingthe dl from an ntfs
[12:24] <nbound> theneonshadow, well its the only way u can...
[12:24] <flashy-need-help> no _jason
[12:24] <fileman> can omeone help me?
[12:24] <fileman> plz
[12:24] <navarone> mcdenyer, what cd folder?
[12:24] <_jason> ubotu: tell flashy-need-help about javadebs
[12:24] <poningru> fileman: whats wrong?
[12:24] <nbound> fileman, just ask
[12:25] <theneonshadow> k
[12:25] <fileman> i need to disable powere management
[12:25] <fileman> it makes my lappy slow
[12:25] <poningru> as in acpi?
[12:25] <mcdenyer> navarone, i just double click on the blank cd thats in my cd burner and then i paste the .isop into it
[12:25] <mzinz> bimberi, k
[12:25] <navarone> mcdenyer, I dunno if ntfs would be an issue
[12:25] <fileman> and i dont use the batteries becaue they are dead
[12:25] <fileman> yes acpi
[12:25] <poningru> !acpi
[12:25] <ubotu> No idea, poningru
[12:25] <fileman> setup locks up because of it
[12:25] <poningru> hmm
[12:25] <poningru> hold on
[12:25] <mcdenyer> navarone, well i just pasted it to my deskop so i took it off my ntfs
[12:25] <fileman> and the laptop gets really hot
[12:26] <glacious> crimsun: it just seems like that config file doesn't control the refresh / resolutions.  ALWAYS just 85 in gnome control panel, and always the same resolutions.
[12:26] <mcdenyer> navaron how
[12:26] <navarone> mcdenyer, do you have gnomebaker installed?
[12:26] <mzinz> bimberi, what parameter do i add to rmdir to make it delete subfiles
[12:26] <crimsun> glacious: and you specified that mode in your Modes line?
[12:26] <flashy-need-help> _jason i have hoary not breezy that dont help me
[12:26] <bimberi> mzinz: -r  (use with care)
[12:26] <mwe> mzinz: rm -rf
[12:26] <fileman> this laptop is realy weird
[12:26] <anjin_> anyone get a look at my xorg.conf yet?
[12:26] <mcdenyer> navarone, no i dont really have anyhitng on this i just want to make a breezy cd so i dont have to update when i installl hoary
[12:26] <mwe> mzinz: I don't think rmdir will do it
[12:26] <fileman> on most linux versions it locks up setting up pcmcia
[12:26] <mzinz> mwe, thanks, it wasn't
[12:26] <mzinz> mwe, whats the f
[12:27] <glacious> crimsun: the modeline i generated, yes.  1280x1024 @ 75hz.  also tried 60 and 65.  put the line into the 'Monitor' section
[12:27] <poningru> fileman: I think its just: no acpi
[12:27] <nbound> glacious, yeah theres something else which controls that xorg.conf, coz ive tryed adding extra resolutions... but ive always had to reconfigure X
[12:27] <dooglus> fileman: when I first switched from mandrake to ubuntu, my laptop had the same problem.  it would power down if I ran something CPU intensive for 5 minutes because it got too hot.
[12:27] <bimberi> oh yes, thanks mwe
[12:27] <poningru> add that to the startup in grub
[12:27] <mwe> mzinz: don't ask for confirmation, just do it
[12:27] <fileman> with a space?
[12:27] <poningru> like edit
[12:27] <fileman> itried without
[12:27] <poningru> hmm
[12:27] <_jason> I don't think the java debs would matter between hoary and breezy would they?
[12:27] <mcdenyer> navarone, what am i suposed to tdo with the .iso that io dled form ubuntu.com?
[12:27] <poningru> yeah there is a space iirc
[12:27] <dooglus> fileman: I switched back to mandrake and it was OK again.  there's something about ubuntu that stops it managing its temperature properly.
[12:27] <flashy-need-help> dont know
[12:27] <mwe> mzinz: be careful though
[12:27] <mcdenyer> navarone,  i rhough i just put that onto cd
[12:27] <flashy-need-help> ubotu: tell flashy-need-help about javadebs
[12:27] <fileman> thanks ill try
[12:27] <mzinz> mwe, hehe yeah
[12:27] <glacious> nbound: now if we can just figure out what it is =)
[12:27] <fileman> its killing me =)
[12:27] <starla> I'm really new here... and I don't know how to describe my problem.    I know there's data on it because I can "see" it when I flip the disc over. anyone have some idea what I can do to recover my data?
[12:27] <dooglus> fileman: then someone suggested I should blow into the airvents, and that fixed it.  it's not powered down since.
[12:27] <redguy> mcdenyer: burn it, as a disk image that is
[12:28] <fileman> lol
[12:28] <mcdenyer> redguy,  it wont let me
[12:28] <crimsun> glacious: there's a directive to tell the X server to ignore the results of a ddc probe
[12:28] <glacious> does anyone know a config file to control xorg resolutions / refresh rates besides /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[12:28] <mcdenyer> redguy, ubuntu wont let me
[12:28] <crimsun> glacious: I don't know it off the top of my head, but Google will help
[12:28] <navarone> mcdenyer, maybe easier to burn iso in windows if hoary is making an issue of it
[12:28] <fileman> this laptop doesnt get hot unless using acpi lol
[12:28] <tck> anyone trying out dapper flight 3 ?
[12:28] <imachine_> hi.
[12:28] <redguy> ubuntu won't let you?
[12:28] <glacious> crimsun: that might be helpful.  i wonder why it only shows 85hz in the gnome dropdown menu?
[12:28] <anjin_> I had trouble with isos until I downloaded K3b
[12:28] <mcdenyer> redguy lol no it says i cant put it on as an image
[12:28] <mwe> mzinz: I learned the hard way. A few years back I wanted to delete /some/dir. as root I typed rm -rf / some/dir. bad luck! had to reinstall
[12:28] <nbound> navarone use Gnomebaker
[12:28] <Khisanth> hmm
[12:28] <fileman> kde restarts when acpi enable says batteries are dead when they are plugged in
[12:28] <poningru> starla: did you try the disk on another drive?
[12:28] <mzinz> mwe,  ouch
[12:28] <dooglus> tck: I'm running dapper.  didn't try flight 3, but use the latest packages from the archive, so it's much the same.
[12:28] <navarone> nbound he has not got it installed he said
[12:29] <owner> mwe ouch
[12:29] <mcdenyer> redguy just a sing disc image?
[12:29] <starla> poningru, yes, but the drive just spins and spins. it doesn't read the disc.
[12:29] <mwe> owner: yeah
[12:29] <poningru> hmm
[12:29] <nbound> navarone, well make him get it.... u can burn iso's with it
[12:29] <fileman> could not find kernel
[12:29] <redguy> mcdenyer: maybe the download is corrupt?
[12:29] <owner> there is a thread on the ubuntu forums about that command
[12:29] <owner> rm -rf /
[12:29] <owner> lol
[12:29] <tck> dooglus, well similar yes, but https under firefox does not work for me, are you affected by any such problems?
[12:29] <flashy-need-help> _jason all wont work
[12:29] <fileman> could not find kernel image
[12:29] <flashy-need-help> dont know what i can do
[12:29] <flashy-need-help> that really sux
[12:29] <bimberi> tck, dooglus: in fact it's much more recent - i'm on vanilla flight3 and there's >150 updates :)
[12:29] <mwe> owner: I hit ctrl-c before it deleted hy homedir but /bin and stuff was completely messed up
[12:29] <poningru> fileman: ?
[12:29] <tolstoy> starla: could you read the disk on the machine you burned it on before re-installing ubuntu?
[12:29] <_jason> flashy-need-help: you can wget the .bin from sun if you want to build it
[12:29] <mcdenyer> redguy ok well this is what it says when i try to create it says it appeears the the disc when creared will contain a single disc image
[12:29] <nbound> owner, arent some people trying to get rid of it =\
[12:30] <mcdenyer> redguy and then when i hit ok
[12:30] <mzinz> mwe, when i do ls -l /usr/bin/Codecs/ it only lists like 15 files (the ones i want deleted, but above the files it says "total 2860".. does this mean there are more than its showing me?
[12:30] <mcdenyer> reguy it says
[12:30] <fileman> yeah?
[12:30] <flashy-need-help> _jason its say to me file name to long
[12:30] <tck> bimberi, i shall update again just in case
[12:30] <bimberi> tck: https on "Deer Park" works here
[12:30] <fileman> got it
[12:30] <redguy> mcdenyer: nah, it should burn the corrupted image anyway
[12:30] <fileman> not
[12:30] <starla> tolstoy, yeah I could read the dvd on the drive I burned it on, but I didn't test it on another drive. i should have.
[12:30] <tck> bimberi, grr really ?
[12:30] <fileman> doenst work
[12:30] <poningru> fileman: did it work?
[12:30] <poningru> oh
[12:30] <owner> mwe there is a file you can create
[12:30] <tck> hmm wonder what it could be then
[12:30] <fileman> no
[12:30] <poningru> what does it say?
[12:30] <anjin_> In case it was missed, my xorg.conf is at: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7394  ... still waiting for help on my screen res
[12:30] <owner> in /
[12:30] <owner> so it will ask you for a prompt
[12:30] <fileman> says cnt find kernel image no
[12:30] <fileman> lol
[12:30] <nbound> anjin_, whats the problem?
[12:30] <redguy> mcdenyer: what does it say? what is 'it'? gnomebaker? nautilus?
[12:30] <poningru> oh no dude
[12:30] <mcdenyer> redguy, the file ubuntu-5.10-install-1386.iso is not a valid dis image
[12:30] <anjin_> Not that I'm trying to be a jerk... I'm greatful for any help.
[12:30] <C_J_Pro> My school district now runs Ubuntu ^_^
[12:30] <mwe> mzinz: what's ls -la show?
[12:30] <poningru> after the whole thing
[12:30] <tolstoy> starla: very strange.
[12:31] <anjin_> I cant get any resolutions higher than 800x600
[12:31] <mwe> owner: a file I can create?
[12:31] <mcdenyer> redguy it says no such file or directory at the top
[12:31] <nbound> anjin_, reconfigure x
[12:31] <mzinz> mwe, first line is 'total 2888', then the next 15 lines are files
[12:31] <redguy> nbound, navarone : can't nautilus burn isos?
[12:31] <bimberi> C_J_Pro: fantastic! :)
[12:31] <nbound> ubotu tell anjin_ about xorg
[12:31] <owner> yes
[12:31] <fileman> darnit
[12:31] <owner> do cd / and sudo touch -- -i
[12:32] <poningru> fileman: when you start up
[12:32] <anjin_> I editted the xorg.conf with the refresh rates from my monitor... and 1024x768 is IN the xorg.conf .. but not in the options to set res
[12:32] <mwe> mzinz: yeah I think it's total size
[12:32] <owner> that will make a file called -i
[12:32] <fileman> yeah?
[12:32] <mwe> mzinz: try ls -lh
[12:32] <pianoboy3333> if i'm setting up a printer using a LAN connection, does the host need to distribute an IP address to me?
[12:32] <nbound> redguy, im not sure, ive always used gnomebaker... and it has a big burn image to disk button
[12:32] <mzinz> mwe, i navigated through GUI and it only has the files i wanted... why does it say total 2888?
[12:32] <armosfighter> whats the command so i can check how many gigs i have left on my hardrive?
[12:32] <poningru> fileman: choose what you start with and press edit
[12:32] <_jason> flashy-need-help: don't you have another computer you can download it with and then transfer?
[12:32] <owner> when you do rm -rf it will make it prompt before deleting
[12:32] <fileman> there is an option acpi pci
[12:32] <mwe> mzinz: I think it's total size
[12:32] <mwe> mzinz: try ls -lh
[12:32] <fileman> ok
[12:32] <redguy> nbound: this is very odd :/
[12:32] <flashy-need-help> _jason i've done that but i transfered it then to this machine and it says its corrupt
[12:32] <navarone> nbound...yeah gotta like those big button for us with bad eyes...<s>
[12:32] <fileman> where?
[12:32] <owner> ubuntu should alias rm=rm -i
[12:32] <mzinz> mwe, yep, 2.8mb
[12:32] <owner> that way it will always ask
[12:32] <pianoboy3333> if i'm setting up a printer using a LAN connection, does the host need to distribute an IP address to me?
[12:32] <glacious> crimsun: i added Option "NoDDC" to my monitor section.  now it just gets no signal =(
[12:32] <owner> before deleting
[12:32] <mzinz> mwe, whats the -a and -h do?
[12:32] <poningru> fileman: do you have ubuntu installed?
[12:32] <nbound> navarone, speak for yourself \P
[12:32] <fileman> oh found the command i thinkl
[12:33] <poningru> or no?
[12:33] <nbound> =P*
[12:33] <fileman> no
[12:33] <poningru> ok
[12:33] <poningru> oh
[12:33] <poningru> dude
[12:33] <fileman> it locked up copying the final files
[12:33] <fileman> just a sec
[12:33] <poningru> k
[12:33] <armosfighter> whats the command that shows me how much space i have left on my hardrive
[12:33] <armosfighter> ?
[12:33] <fileman> linux acpi=off
[12:33] <mjr> df
[12:33] <crimsun> glacious: erm, not that one
[12:33] <bimberi> df -h
[12:33] <tafsen> Can anyone help me with patching wine?
[12:33] <mwe> mzinz: -a is all even hidden (.files) -h is human. show mb and k instead of bytes
[12:33] <navarone> anjin I can't see anything glaringly wrong
[12:33] <fileman> works
[12:33] <starla> can someone help me troubleshoot my dvd backup problems?
[12:33] <pianoboy3333> if i'm setting up a printer using a LAN connection, does the host need to distribute an IP address to me?
[12:33] <crimsun> glacious: it's one that ignores the probe results
[12:33] <_jason> flashy-need-help: http://www.giannaros.org/buntu/hoary/i386/ <-- how about thee?
[12:33] <poningru> fileman: awesom
[12:33] <nbound> glacious, thats coz DDCis your friend =)
[12:33] <mzinz> mwe, cool
[12:33] <mzinz> mwe, thanks
[12:33] <fileman> acpi is still inizializing
[12:33] <poningru> I thought you had it installed already
[12:33] <fileman> damit
[12:34] <mwe> mzinz: read man ls for details. there are other nice features
[12:34] <fileman> disable that dam pcmcia locks up
[12:34] <fileman> i ate this
[12:34] <nbound> fileman, is acpi a module... maybe u can remove it from ur modules.conf
[12:34] <fileman> hate this
[12:34] <redguy> nbound: seems that you have some error with gnomebaker, I can't help you since I'm using the almighty K3B. No such file or directory seems to be the error. Maybe you can't access the file? Permissions are ok?
[12:34] <fileman> its not insytallled
[12:34] <poningru> fileman: disable pcmcia and acpi
[12:35] <tafsen> Can anyone help me with patching wine?
[12:35] <mzinz> mwe, ok, thanks
[12:35] <fileman> i have tioo have acpi to have pcmcai
[12:35] <nbound> redguy, i have no error, your getting mixed up, i was helping you with an error
[12:35] <navarone> redguy I think you mean mcdenyer ...<s>
[12:35] <fileman> i need pcmcia
[12:35] <fileman> for netwrok
[12:35] <mcdenyer> redguy well your messaging nbound not me lol
[12:35] <poningru> fileman: oh hmm
[12:35] <redguy> nbound: oops, sorry
[12:35] <fileman> i dont have integrated network
[12:35] <nbound> redguy, =P
[12:35] <redguy> mcdenyer: that's true, late in here
[12:35] <arrinmurr> tafsen: why do you want to patch it?
[12:35] <mcdenyer> reguy well the file does have a lock on it
[12:35] <armosfighter> whats the command to find how much space i have left on my harddrive
[12:35] <fileman> it a pii laptop
[12:35] <_jason> armosfighter: df
[12:35] <navarone> mcdenyer...if you have not got gnomebaker installed install it and try again
[12:35] <mcdenyer> redguy well the file does have a lock thing on it
[12:36] <fileman> this laptop is weird
[12:36] <pianoboy3333> can someone help me?
[12:36] <fileman> systemax crap
[12:36] <armosfighter> thanks
[12:36] <_jason> !helpme
[12:36] <ubotu> If you don't actually ask a question, we can not actually help you.
[12:36] <pianoboy3333> can someone help me?
[12:36] <nbound> mcdenyer, that means read only =)
[12:36] <pianoboy3333> if i'm setting up a printer using a LAN connection, does the host need to distribute an IP address to me?
[12:36] <redguy> mcdenyer: gotcha!
[12:36] <Em_Factor> hey guys.. I'm trying to set up my laptop to dual boot XP and Ubuntu..I have a little over 4GB for all the linux partitions...how big should each linux partition be would you say?
[12:36] <navarone> Would read-only affect it burning?
[12:36] <cyphase> what does everyone think about the idea of having a single gconf value describing program complexity?
[12:36] <cyphase> meaning..
[12:36] <nbound> Em_Factor, install will usually set them out to a decent size
[12:37] <cyphase> a program could check this value, and determine from that how complex it's visible features should be
[12:37] <mwe> pianoboy3333: to little detail
[12:37] <redguy> mcdenyer: or maybe not..., try changing the permissions to read+write for everyone
[12:37] <tafsen> arrinmurr, because I get an error when I try to start WoW, and ppl said that a patch could fix it...
[12:37] <Em_Factor> well..I think I need to do it manually at first since I'm going to create space for it on the free space on my windows partition
[12:37] <pianoboy3333> mwe: i can't setup a lan printer
[12:37] <nbound> seeing my hard drive is ginormous, my sda1 partition is 2 gig, and the other is like 298 =/
[12:37] <cafuego> Em_Factor: One single partition for Linux.
[12:37] <Jesusaurus-Rex> Is there any gui way to give the curent user super user access? (not terminal)
[12:37] <sethk> cyphase, it's an interesting concept but I'm not sure how practical
[12:37] <arrinmurr> tafsen: are you running the latest version from winehq.com ?
[12:37] <cyphase> totem, for example, might have the video window, the controls (stop, play), and that's it
[12:38] <cyphase> or
[12:38] <_jason> Jesusaurus-Rex: yes, system _> admin -> users and groups
[12:38] <owner> jesusaurus there is
[12:38] <fileman> i think i got it
[12:38] <mwe> pianoboy3333: is the host linux?
[12:38] <owner> but why do you want do that
[12:38] <pianoboy3333> no, windows
[12:38] <Em_Factor> when I mean how big for each partition, I mean a /root, a /swap, and a /home
[12:38] <mcdenyer> redguy, well it did the same thing
[12:38] <tafsen> arrinmurr, no. ppl havn't got wow du work on that one yet.
[12:38] <mcdenyer> redguy oh well ill just install using hoary ;p
[12:38] <sethk> cyphase, you can't just do it by resolution
[12:38] <fileman> not
[12:38] <cyphase> it might have a way to edit the gstreamer pipeline (i know this isn't useful, but i'm just trying to make the point)
[12:38] <cafuego> Em_Factor: Don't subpartition if you only have 4Gb. Just /
[12:38] <cyphase> sethk, what do you mean?
[12:38] <anjin_> No dice... still can't get 1024x768 :-(
[12:38] <fileman> locked up at piix loaded sucessfully
[12:38] <nbound> anjin_, did u reconfigure x
[12:38] <arrinmurr> tafsen: ok. well then, have you tried to ask in #winehq ?
[12:38] <_jason> Jesusaurus-Rex: but make sure you keep your original sudo privileged user (ie don't delete him) until you verify your new guy actually has sudo privileges
[12:38] <anjin_> yes I did
[12:38] <cafuego> Em_Factor: Maybe 128 Mb swap, rest /
[12:38] <sethk> cyphase, just thinking that the screen resolution itself might not be sufficient for making that decision
[12:39] <cyphase> ..
[12:39] <Em_Factor> gotcha..
[12:39] <cyphase> sethk, where did i say that?
[12:39] <Em_Factor> I'll give it a shot...
[12:39] <nbound> anjin_, what did u choose for max res in the resolution part
[12:39] <tafsen> arrinmurr, But I have found a patch for Gentoo. Can I use this on Ubuntu? http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Install_and_update_World_Of_Warcraft_with_wine#Troubleshooting
[12:39] <sethk> cyphase, you didn't, I'm just speculating
[12:39] <redguy> redguy: hrmmm, as you wish
[12:39] <tolstoy> folks, re: starla's prob.  Why would a DVD become unreadable after re-installing breezy when it was readable before?
[12:39] <pianoboy3333> mwe: no, windows
[12:39] <redguy> mcdenyer: ^^^
[12:39] <anjin_> 1024x768 .. I unchecked everything else
[12:39] <Em_Factor> since I'm dual booting should the /root be a primary or logical...prim, right..in order to select with GRUB
[12:39] <nbound> cafuego, so my 2gig swap isnt good =P
[12:39] <cyphase> sethk, i wasn't implying you use the resolution..
[12:39] <redguy> definetly too late in here
[12:39] <cyphase> lol
[12:39] <sethk> cyphase, what, then?
[12:39] <cyphase> have a gconf value
[12:39] <_jason> tolstoy: did you install the required packages for viewing a dvd?
[12:39] <nbound> anjin_, check them all including it
[12:39] <flashy-need-help> _jason thx will try
[12:40] <cafuego> nbound: 2GB swap is not a good idea when all you have to work with is 4GB.
[12:40] <mwe> pianoboy3333: I just added mine in the kde printer guide. no problem
[12:40] <fileman> ill try expert setup
[12:40] <nbound> anjin_, it will use the highest by default
[12:40] <Em_Factor> haha....
[12:40] <fileman> it might work
[12:40] <imachine_> any of you guys here using cpufreq with ubuntu?
[12:40] <sethk> cyphase, a gconf value doesn't do any good unless you have a way to set it.
[12:40] <anjin_> nbound: alright, I'll try again.  Should I lower it from 24 bit to 16 and see if that helps as well?
[12:40] <imachine_> i cant seem to get it to work right.
[12:40] <Em_Factor> I have another partition that for data...so the 4gb just has to hold the core linux install
[12:40] <nbound> cafuego, hehe =P, luckily i have a tad more than that
[12:40] <cyphase> sethk, i know. you could have a dialog..
[12:40] <cafuego> Em_Factor: Aaaaah.
[12:40] <cyphase> or make it part of an existing dialog
[12:40] <tolstoy> _jason: not my machine.  this is a data dvd.  What packages are you talking about?
[12:40] <nbound> anjin_, yeah ur card may not have enough texture memory
[12:40] <mwe> pianoboy3333: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsXPPrinter
[12:40] <mzinz> bimberi, where you saying to install things to /usr/local/ and make links in /usr/local/bin/? or is that not what it was
[12:40] <navarone> anjin how old is your Cirrus card?
[12:40] <tolstoy> _jason: not a movie, or anything.
[12:41] <flashy-need-help> _jason i need for amd64 not i386
[12:41] <bobbyd> hi
[12:41] <pianoboy3333> mwe: kk
[12:41] <sethk> cyphase, sure, you could do that.  some people would be confused, but I guess a reasonable default would take care of those people
[12:41] <cafuego> Em_Factor: Well, you want a 2GB / at an absolute minimum, if you want to split off /home.
[12:41] <nbound> flashy-need-help, this for java still?
[12:41] <bobbyd> how do I set up WPA-PSK encryption under ubuntu?
[12:41] <_jason> flashy-need-help: you have to say these things when you ask your question
[12:41] <bobbyd> for my wireless network
[12:41] <cafuego> bobbyd: wpasupplicant
[12:41] <bimberi> mzinz: that's what i do for self-installed stuff yes
[12:41] <arrinmurr> tafsen: i guess you could, if you get the source that's used there (not only the patch), since you need to compile wine yourself anyway if you want to patch it
[12:41] <cyphase> sethk, i was thinking make the default the way it is now, or maybe a little simpler
[12:41] <ReyBit> official language on this channel only english? or italian too?
[12:41] <Em_Factor> ok.. maybe I'll just do /swap and /root
[12:41] <DoctorMO> how can I decompress ace files?
[12:41] <bobbyd> cafuego, thanks
[12:41] <Em_Factor> and a tiny /boot
[12:41] <cafuego> !it
[12:41] <sethk> it's an interesting idea
[12:42] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[12:42] <flashy-need-help> yes nbound
[12:42] <mzinz> bimberi, so from term if i just type a command, it looks in /usr/local/bin/?
[12:42] <cafuego> Em_Factor: I wouldn't worry about /boot
[12:42] <flashy-need-help> im sorry _jason^
[12:42] <flashy-need-help> im sorry _jason
[12:42] <Em_Factor> really?
[12:42] <cafuego> Em_Factor: Unless you have a REALLY old machine.
[12:42] <bimberi> mzinz: yes, if you "echo $PATH" /usr/local/bin should be in the list
[12:42] <Em_Factor> nope
[12:43] <cafuego> Em_Factor: Modern bootloaders and bioses don't have a 1024 cylinder problem.
[12:43] <sethk> Em_Factor, having additional partitions doesn't really buy you anything
[12:43] <mzinz> bimberi, so it looks in ALL of those whenever i type a command?
[12:43] <nbound> flashy-need-help, theres a special java for AMD64 coz sun doesnt support it yet well, but no JDK, the JRE for it is called Blackdown
[12:43] <Em_Factor> ok..so how about /swap =128MB and the rest on /root
[12:43] <bimberi> mzinz: yes, in that order (so if something is in 2 places it will execute the first one)
[12:43] <nbound> flashy-need-help, sudo apt-get install j2re1.4 j2re1.4-mozilla-plugin
[12:43] <mzinz> bimberi, that was my next Q hehe
[12:43] <omerix> is there any web explorer which  text based (no images)
[12:43] <cafuego> Em_Factor: The only way a separate /home is useful, is that reinstalling means you don't need to backup your user files.
[12:43] <bimberi> mzinz: i thought so :P
[12:43] <owner> omerix, lync
[12:43] <flashy-need-help> nbound its a server no need for mozilla
[12:43] <nbound> after u restart firefox u should have working java
[12:43] <owner> lynx
[12:43] <sethk> Em_Factor, that should be fine.
[12:43] <anjin_> nbound, Still only offers me 640x480 and 800x600
[12:44] <Em_Factor> ok thanks guys....much appreciated
[12:44] <anjin_> I enabled all the resolutions and set it to 16 bit
[12:44] <nbound> anjin_, how much texture mem on the card?
[12:44] <flashy-need-help> nbound Package j2re1.4 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[12:44] <flashy-need-help> its 5.04 amd64 nbound
[12:44] <sethk> cafuego, there is absolutely no gain to making /home separate.  If you need to reinstall, all you have to do is _rename_ home.
[12:44] <nbound> flashy-need-help, goto the restricted formats page and read the bottom
[12:44] <arrinmurr> omerix: lynx, links, links2, elinks, w3m
[12:44] <anjin_> nbound, honestly I dont know.. this was a hand-me-down computer from work
[12:44] <cyphase> I'm writing a paper of sorts about different ideas for Gnome 3 and how they might be implemented.
[12:44] <cyphase> If anyone has anything they want included, /msg me, so I'll be sure to see it.
[12:44] <cafuego> sethk: That depends on whether you want to just wipe /
[12:44] <nbound> flashy-need-help, OHHHH u need 5.10
[12:44] <omerix> ok thanks all
[12:44] <mzinz> bimberi, so installing to /usr/local/Real would be appropriate
[12:45] <fileman> how much space does ubuntu take?
[12:45] <sethk> cafuego, there is nothing to be gained by just wiping.
[12:45] <fileman> to install?
[12:45] <flashy-need-help> nbound cant change its a special kernel for 5.04
[12:45] <cafuego> fileman: Around 2GB
[12:45] <nbound> anjin_, my guess that it may not have enough texture mem
[12:45] <anjin_> nbound, it was able to do 1024x768 using an old copy of nt4.0 though.. so I know it's capable on a hardware level
[12:45] <bimberi> mzinz: yes (imho)
[12:45] <cafuego> sethk: That again depends on what FS you use.
[12:45] <nbound> flashy-need-help, which one?
[12:45] <navarone> nbound...would the DRI section in anjin's xorg.conf affect the resolution at all?
[12:45] <owner> anjin what video card you have
[12:45] <mzinz> bimberi, thanks :)
[12:45] <fileman> ok thanks
[12:45] <cafuego> sethk: With ext3, no. With reiser4, hmm... maybe ;-)
[12:45] <ITSa341> I need help with apt-get   anyone got time to help me?
[12:45] <bimberi> mzinz: np :)
[12:45] <flashy-need-help> dont know but its a special one for that 5.04
[12:45] <nbound> navarone, lemme check my DRI section =P
[12:45] <sethk> cafuego, I would never take the risk of using reiser
[12:45] <fileman> im doing a expert install
[12:45] <fileman> it might work
[12:45] <flashy-need-help> dont know but its a special one for that 5.04  nbound
[12:46] <owner> can ubuntu even use reiser 4
[12:46] <anjin_> owner, it's detecting it as a cirrus .. no more info was given when I tried to reconfigure x
[12:46] <cafuego> sethk: Sadly not everyone does thorough research into what to use or not.
[12:46] <mwe> sethk: not even reiser3 ?
[12:46] <mwe> owner: yes
[12:46] <nbound> flashy-need-help, u can get the same ones in 5.10
[12:46] <nbound> xorg.conf
[12:46] <sethk> mwe, to me it's too big a risk.  I know other people argue otherwise.
[12:46] <navarone> nbound it is last part of the file...and is Mode 0666
[12:46] <nbound> oops
[12:46] <mwe> sethk: ok
[12:46] <owner> ext3 appears to be the safest file system
[12:47] <owner> for desktops
[12:47] <starla> lmanul, you here?
[12:47] <nbound> navarone i dont even have a DRI section on mine =/
[12:47] <lmanul> starla, yep
[12:47] <anjin_> so far, this is my only real issue with ubuntu ... so far I've loved it.  More fun than my XP box... just need a higher res.  I can probably stick another vid card in there.. but this one is built into the motherboard.  Not sure how I would disable it
[12:47] <fileman> setup is making my laptop a little HOT
[12:47] <lmanul> starla, Hmmm
[12:47] <nbound> anjin_, it would either be a BIOS option or a motherboard jumper
[12:47] <navarone> nbound...mine is set at Mode 0666 as well...I don't think it matters
[12:47] <cafuego> fileman: submerge it in cooking oil.
[12:47] <sethk> fileman, a have several laptops that get hot.
[12:47] <owner> what about sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:48] <fileman> except the hd and cd
[12:48] <owner> anjin
[12:48] <lmanul> starla, Can you try inserting the disc in your DVD player (not burner)
[12:48] <fileman> well it is a pentium 2
[12:48] <anjin_> owner, yes?
[12:48] <owner> you can select a higher resolution in the check boxes
[12:48] <owner> try it
[12:48] <fileman> fan is going like hell
[12:48] <nbound> navarone, but yeah my 512MB PCIe card is a lil diff from his 10yr old PCI
[12:48] <sethk> fileman, hmm, that is unusual
[12:48] <starla> lmanul, yes i tried, but the disc just spins and simply stops. it doesn't mount
[12:48] <fileman> funky latop
[12:48] <dwerf> brrr
[12:48] <navarone> nbound...and my 4 year old geforce3...lol
[12:48] <fileman> systemax piece of crap
[12:48] <lmanul> starla, Then try sudo mount /dev/cdrom /media/cdrom0  (in a terminal) ?
[12:48] <sethk> fileman, but I can't think of anything setup could do to make it hotter, other than mkfs or a sector scan
[12:48] <nbound> navarone, hehe =P
[12:48] <geneo93> fileman:  cant you disable power in bios
[12:48] <fileman> what is evms module?
[12:49] <lmanul> starla, And then tell me what happens
[12:49] <fileman> i did
[12:49] <fileman> doesnt do nothing
[12:49] <navarone> nbound...you disgust me...;)
[12:49] <fileman> its old
[12:49] <fileman> evms?
[12:49] <anjin_> owner, I tried that when reconfiguring x ... the option did not show up when I went back to the GUI.  I checked ALL resolutions, but the dialogue box still only allows for 640x480 or 800x600
[12:49] <sethk> fileman, actually, you mean that it _does_ do nothing, not that it doesn't
[12:49] <nbound> navarone, lol, it was a 512 meg 6600 i HAD to buy it, it was my DUTY
[12:49] <fileman> yeah
[12:49] <owner> anjin try using vesa driver
[12:49] <fileman> what is evms?
[12:49] <ITSa341> When  I got up this morning my laptop said there were 3 updates ready to install. I try installing them and I get this message http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7372 . I cleared the apt-get with "sudo apt-get clean" and tried again. Same error. I searched the wiki and found nothing. Anyone got any ideas??
[12:49] <theneonshadow> ok... how do i connect to windows computer on here? Im trying to connect to my computer downstairs
[12:49] <starla> lmanul, ok i'm trying... it's thinking/spinning/hanging
[12:49] <navarone> 512mb vidcard?
[12:49] <sethk> anjin_, it thinks that your monitor is only capable of those resolutions, most likely
[12:50] <nbound> owner, he probly is =)
[12:50] <sethk> anjin_, or as someone just said it's confused about which driver to use
[12:50] <nbound> navarone, yep =D
[12:50] <owner> nboud, i think anjin is using the cirrus driver
[12:50] <starla> lmanul, it says "you must specify the filesystem type"
[12:50] <anjin_> sethk, Ok, but I know the monitor is capable of better.  I'll go back and try again
[12:50] <navarone> nbound I just added 256mb to my system mem for a grand total of 524
[12:50] <owner> it may not support high res
[12:50] <anjin_> yes, cirrus ... that's what it autodetects
[12:50] <owner> does cirrus release linux drivers
[12:50] <sethk> anjin_, I didn't say the monitor can't, I said possibly the software _believes_ the monitor can't
[12:50] <flashy-need-help> nbound how can install sun-j2re1.5_1.5.0+update04_amd64.deb ?
[12:50] <nbound> sethk, itd have to be ancient to only handle those.... =/
[12:51] <navarone> anjin is the card pci or agp?
[12:51] <lmanul> starla, Then try sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/cdrom /media/cdrom0
[12:51] <sethk> nbound, I don't think the monitor can't do it, I think identification of the monitor probably failed
[12:51] <anjin_> navarone, built into the motherboard
[12:51] <senning> hi, sorry to be a bother, but I'm trying to set up samba between breezy and my brother's iBook.  Every time I try to connect, though, it prompts for domain/usr/pass, and my own account (and root) don't work
[12:51] <sethk> nbound, so it defaults to 8x6
[12:51] <nbound> flashy-need-help, is it in synaptic or did u get it separately?
[12:51] <navarone> anjin how much video memory?
[12:51] <glacious> crimsun: nothing works =(.  no matter what, same res's show up, and always ONLY 85hz in gnome/xorg.
[12:51] <sethk> senning, that would be the domain user/password.
[12:51] <flashy-need-help> i've downloaded it with wget nbound
[12:51] <nbound> sethk, yeah thats probably my guess too, not much else it could be
[12:51] <fileman> installing base system
[12:52] <sethk> senning, if it asks for the domain user/password, odds are it wants the domain user/password
[12:52] <shredhead15> sethk, i have edited xorg.conf, how do i get it to save the changes
[12:52] <starla> lmanul, it says "no medium found", but it's not spinning anymore.
[12:52] <nbound> flashy-need-help, dpkg -i <filename>
[12:52] <fileman> ....I ove the smell of roasting silicone
[12:52] <senning> sethk, how do I find out what that is (or set it)?
[12:52] <sethk> shredhead15, if you are in vi, :x  (colon x, save and exit)
[12:52] <fileman> *love
[12:52] <anjin_> navarone, I dont know.  This was a handmedown system.  Not sure how to find out the vid memory.  Probably not very much,.   I tried setting it to 16bit instead of 24... that didnt help either
[12:52] <TheRyuu> ok I need to know. when you set up a dual-boot, would I have to delete everything on my drive?
[12:52] <lmanul> starla, well...
[12:52] <lmanul> starla, I'm afraid there was a problem while burning...
[12:52] <nbound> TheRyuu, nope
[12:52] <sethk> senning, it's whatever is set up on whatever box is the windows domain server
[12:53] <lmanul> starla, You can try reading this disc with other computers (apart from your ibook), but I'm afraid it will be difficult
[12:53] <sethk> senning, I try to avoid domain servers in that sort of config, and make a fake workgroup instead
[12:53] <starla> lmanul, does it help to know that the discs were once readable after they were burned?
[12:53] <navarone> anjin...it is probably very old...I have not heard of cirrus vidcards since I was using a millenium 1
[12:53] <senning> sethk, how do I do that?
[12:53] <glacious> does anyone know a config file to control xorg resolutions / refresh rates besides /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[12:53] <TheRyuu> is there a guide to dual-booting ubuntu with winXP I can follow?
[12:53] <nbound> lol, i have some old 1 meg cirrus cards floating round, =D
[12:53] <flashy-need-help> nbound can i pm u the error ?
[12:53] <bimberi> TheRyuu: no, the installer can shrink an existing windows partition (if its not too fragmented) to make room for ubuntu
[12:53] <sethk> senning, that's windows network configuration, and I'm no kind of windows network configuration expert
[12:53] <lmanul> starla, They were readable on the same system that burned them ?
[12:53] <nbound> flashy-need-help, if u want
[12:53] <anjin_> navarone, yeah... this is a retired server.  It is a Pentium 3 though...
[12:53] <sethk> senning, it's an install option for xp, to use a domain server or use a workgroup
[12:53] <bimberi> !dualboot
[12:53] <ubotu> I heard dualboot is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo
[12:53] <starla> lmanul, yes, that was the case.
[12:54] <lmanul> starla, Anyway, this is strange, but i'm afraid there's no easy solution...
[12:54] <senning> sethk, alrite, thanks.  I managed to get it working with smbpasswd.  Thanks for all your help, though!
[12:54] <navarone> anjin...yeah decent cpu but not much need for good vidcard on a server
[12:54] <bimberi> TheRyuu: ^^^ (the link from ubotu)
[12:54] <nbound> flashy-need-help, but i dont think they work unless ur registered with ubuntu
[12:54] <lmanul> starla, Pretty weird though
[12:54] <starla> lmanul, yes, i'm realizing that they're probably coasters...
[12:54] <sethk> hm, he's set up his linux box as a windows domain server.  Not a good idea.
[12:54] <navarone> starla at least you can invite friends over for drinks...<s>
[12:55] <ChefMedeski> can anyone help me out of Dell BIOS Swamp?
[12:55] <starla> lmanul, a friend of mine suggested booting with the live cd and seeing if I can read them after that point
[12:55] <sethk> anjin_, navarone no need for _any_ video card on a server
[12:55] <lmanul> starla, You can always try that :)
[12:55] <sethk> ChefMedeski, I can sell you a new computer  :)
[12:55] <lmanul> starla, But I would say I'm quite pessimistic
[12:55] <ChefMedeski> yeah.... i like mine
[12:55] <ChefMedeski> 3 Ghz does me well
[12:55] <anjin_> navarone, I know... I wonder if I pulled the hard drives out and stuck them in a more recent box with more RAM and a better card if that'll help.. or if I'l;l have to reinstall everything.  I've kinda worked my arse off on this thing all week to get it set up as a file server for my home.  It's just the res that's ticking me off
[12:55] <ChefMedeski> just need to know how to work linux
[12:55] <lmanul> starla, At this point, I believe it depends more on the CD reader than on the system itself
[12:55] <TheRyuu> do I *have* to defragment before I install linux?
[12:55] <starla> lmanul, alright. that's my next try... and yeah me too...   anyway, thanks for your help.  there's so much chatter in here that it was impossible to cut through. :)
[12:56] <ChefMedeski> no
[12:56] <anjin_> thanks for all the help though, everyone...
[12:56] <nbound> anjin_, doing hardware swaps like that its generally a good idea to do a clean reinstall
[12:56] <ChefMedeski> but its suggested, since a defragment will allow for more space
[12:56] <_jason> TheRyuu: for dual boot you mean?
[12:56] <TheRyuu> yeah
[12:56] <lmanul> starla, It's ok :) You might want to try asking your question again here, maybe someone will know a better solution
[12:56] <ChefMedeski> so u can better asses ur hardrive space
[12:56] <bimberi> TheRyuu: no, only if the installer won't let you resize to what you want
[12:56] <navarone> anjin I think a complete reinstall would be better if you decide to move to new case...etc
[12:56] <TheRyuu> ok
[12:56] <sethk> anjin_, seriously, I have no video card at all in my file server.  Why do you want video in the server?  why waste time on the resolution?
[12:56] <_jason> TheRyuu: I would, why not.  More importantly, make sure you have backups...
[12:56] <starla> lmanul, alright i'll come back later if I can't make progress
[12:56] <cyphase> Some very nice Gnome Mockups - http://tom.digitalelite.com/gnome_mockups/index.html
[12:57] <anjin_> sethk, because I wanted to play around with linux and learn it at the same time... using a file server as an excuse to do so. :)
[12:57] <sethk> anjin_, ok, that's fine.  I assumed you had another linux box around
[12:57] <anjin_> otherwise I'd still be using XP all the time...
[12:57] <shredhead15> sethk, i am very new to linux   and i dont understand where to enter:x
[12:57] <ChefMedeski> yeah i'm the same way anjin
[12:57] <mwe> sethk: so you just ssh to the box or sth? I had a server set up like that once
[12:57] <bimberi> TheRyuu: yes, you should back up anything important before doing this though
[12:57] <anjin_> Nope.. no other linux boxes.  This is the only one
[12:57] <ChefMedeski> learning linux on this server i'm trying to settup
[12:57] <sethk> shredhead15, that only makes sense if you are using the vi editor.  I don't know which editor you are using.
[12:57] <nbound> wine 0.9.6 is out =0
[12:57] <navarone> anjin you could reinstall with server install and then add xfce and see if that inproves things
[12:58] <sethk> shredhead15, if you are using vi, typing : (colon) puts you on the last line of the file, in command mode
[12:58] <sethk> shredhead15, you may first have to use the ESC key to get out of insert mode.
[12:58] <sethk> shredhead15, if you are using a different editor, of course, then none of that makes sense
[12:58] <anjin_> Hmm
[12:58] <mzinz> mwe, hey, i just made a symbolic link to my realplay file.  If I execute it normally it works (/usr/local/real/realplay), but when i make a symbolic link (sudo ln -s /usr/local/real/realplay /usr/local/bin/realplay) then type realplay in term, it doesn't work
[12:58] <fileman> will i need to copy the remaining packages to the hd?
[12:58] <TheRyuu> how big is the ubuntu install after it's done?
[12:58] <TheRyuu> 2GB?
[12:59] <navarone> anjin xfce is a lighter environment and may help with vid memory issues
[12:59] <anjin_> I'm going to see if generic video card drivers work better than the cirrus one... brb
[12:59] <mzinz> mwe, it shows /usr/local/bin/ in my $PATH too
[12:59] <fileman> xfce?
[12:59] <mwe> mzinz: what's it say?
[12:59] <fileman> easy to put on ubuntu
[12:59] <DShepherd> TheRyuu, maybe 3gb
[12:59] <fileman> ?
[12:59] <mwe> mzinz: maybe it's a script that relies on the name and path of the file
[12:59] <TheRyuu> ok
[12:59] <fileman> i would like it better than gnme
[12:59] <anjin_> should I try vesa?
[01:00] <mzinz> mwe, /usr/bin/realplay no such file or directory.
[01:00] <glacious> well theres an update to sound juicer... but this thing still won't let me change my refresh rate.
[01:00] <mzinz> mwe, it says its not in /usr/bin/ (which its not), but it looks in /usr/local/bin/ also, doesnt it?
[01:00] <navarone> fileman you can try xfce in standard ubuntu install . Search in synaptic and when installed you can choose xfce at login in "sessions"
[01:00] <fileman> ok
[01:00] <fileman> ill probably have trouble setting up wireless card
[01:00] <fileman> although light is on o n it
[01:00] <mwe> mzinz: I don't know. what does ls -l /usr/local/bin/realplay say?
[01:01] <navarone> fileman, I have it installed but rarely use it...it is quite spry though
[01:01] <mzinz> mwe, lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 24 2006-01-19 15:55 /usr/local/bin/realplay -> /usr/local/real/realplay
[01:01] <DShepherd> fileman, sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop <-- should get you xfce
[01:01] <fileman> i like the one with dam small linux
[01:01] <anjin_> Ok, the vid card is Cirrus Logic GD 5480 ... at least that's what the x config is saying
[01:01] <fileman> which one is that?
[01:01] <fileman> its zippy
[01:01] <mwe> mzinz: don't know. maybe the realplay script sucks
[01:01] <fileman> thaks
[01:01] <navarone> fileman, xubuntu-desktop is the xfce desktop
[01:01] <mzinz> mwe, i did it correct though?
[01:02] <mwe> mzinz: maybe if you link it to /usr/bin/realplay instead
[01:02] <mwe> mzinz: looks correct
[01:02] <fileman> copy from here and paste?
[01:02] <ITSa341> anjin  I have  a cirrus 5480   It only supported 1024x768 @ 72mhz so I replaced it
[01:02] <mzinz> mwe, yeah that works.  shouldn't the other one work too if they are both $PATH?
[01:02] <shredhead15> sethk,   ok i think i figured out how to save hopefully  but what i changed still hasnt gotten the ps/2 mouse working
[01:02] <mwe> mzinz: depends on the script
[01:02] <mzinz> mwe, i see
[01:03] <mzinz> mwe, /usr/local/bin/ actually comes before, lol
[01:03] <mobodo> if I use software raid in linux and format as fat32, will windows see it?
[01:03] <mwe> mzinz: for sane scripts yes
[01:03] <fileman> which kernel shpould i choose
[01:03] <lmanul> mzinz, For installing RealPlayer (and other useful stuff), have you tried EasyUbuntu ? :)
[01:03] <navarone> I think I need a new mouse...left button is starting to fade on me. What's the chance of finding a non usb/ps2 mouse these days...lol
[01:03] <mzinz> mwe, oh well.  i actually don't care at all, im just trying to learn
[01:03] <ChefMedeski> so, DELL BIOS anyone?
[01:03] <sethk> shredhead15, I'm really puzzled here.  I've never seen a ps/2 mouse problem, and I've never talked to anyone else who had seen one.
[01:03] <fileman> pentium ii mmx
[01:03] <glacious> ok, i guess it's time to give up on Ubuntu again for today =)   stupid unchangable refresh rates... =(
[01:03] <fileman> 128mb ram
[01:03] <sethk> shredhead15, which mouse driver is in your xorg.conf?
[01:03] <mzinz> lmanul, well i dont want it to be easy.. im trying to get the hang of unix :)
[01:03] <maddash> is there a way to record messages from a kernel panic?
[01:03] <mzinz> lmanul, what is that though?
[01:03] <sethk> shredhead15, do you have the thing running that gives you a mouse in console mode?
[01:04] <sethk> shredhead15, if so, does the mouse work in console mode?
[01:04] <mwe> mzinz: yeah. you could hack the script and submit a patch to the realplayer no brainers that made the script
[01:04] <fileman> ?
[01:04] <fileman> kernel?
[01:04] <mzinz> mwe, they would take a script from random people?
[01:04] <fileman> which one?
[01:04] <shredhead15> sethk,  how do i check if it gives me a mouse in console mode?
[01:04] <lmanul> mzinz, An easy-to-use bunch of scripts that will install lots of stuff automatically for new Ubuntu users (RealPlayer is just part of this)
[01:04] <mzinz> mwe, i like that about linux
[01:04] <geneo93> fileman:  i686
[01:04] <ITSa341> When  I got up this morning my laptop said there were 3 updates ready to install. I try installing them and I get this message http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7372 . I cleared the apt-get with "sudo apt-get clean" and tried again. Same error. I searched the wiki and found nothing. Anyone got any ideas??
[01:04] <mwe> mzinz: I doubt they would
[01:04] <navarone> fileman, 386 I think
[01:04] <mzinz> lmanul, i see.
[01:04] <fileman> it has 386
[01:04] <derekS> anyone know of a way to put an html frontend onto bittornado or know of a bt client that allows me to track progress via html?
[01:04] <anjin_> aw, dont give up... :)
[01:04] <mzinz> mwe, oh, haha
[01:04] <sethk> shredhead15, go into console mode and move the mouse.  :)   try control-alt-f1
[01:04] <fileman> image-386
[01:04] <navarone> 686 for pII?
[01:04] <anjin_> No fun in that
[01:04] <mwe> mzinz: but if enough people complain maybe ..
[01:04] <mzinz> mwe, yeah
[01:04] <sethk> shredhead15, control-alt-f1 through control-alt-f6 are consoles
[01:04] <fileman> and jernel 2.6.12-9-386
[01:05] <aimaz> I've installed and configured gnump3d, but I would like it to run only when i have explicitly started it, how can i remove it from the bootup and shutdown process?
[01:05] <mzinz> mwe, thanks for your help
[01:05] <sethk> shredhead15, control-alt-f7 puts you back into GUIo mde
[01:05] <geneo93> yes it a 686 pentium is 586
[01:05] <lmanul> ITSa341, I got this too
[01:05] <dwerf> oink oink
[01:05] <fileman> ill update later
[01:05] <geneo93> sure the hell aint a 386 or 486
[01:05] <fileman> it doesnt have 686
[01:05] <lmanul> ITSa341, Not sure whether a bug report has been filed, but it's so obvious that I'm sure it will be worked out
[01:05] <geneo93> it dont on the cd
[01:05] <fileman> oh weell it will work
[01:05] <ITSa341> Imanul  I've been here all day hoping to find an anser
[01:05] <fileman> i have to get pppoe working for internet
[01:06] <mwe> sethk: not just alt-f7?
[01:06] <anjin_> well... I've had no luck at all.  I'll live with 800x600 for now and maybe devote some time to reinstalling this all on another box later :(
[01:06] <sethk> mwe, not on my boxes, no
[01:06] <anjin_> thanks to everybody who tried to help.  It's nice that there's a helpful community here
[01:06] <mwe> sethk: weird
[01:06] <lmanul> ITSa341, Well, unless you desperately need the new kernel, I would advise you wait a while and it will get fixed :)
[01:06] <lmanul> ITSa341, Your system should be perfectly usable without it, isn't it ?
[01:07] <ITSa341> Imanul  I just want to get rid of the error message and the update notification is annoying
[01:07] <ITSa341> Imanul   It's Ubuntu...Of course it works fine  :-)
[01:07] <lmanul> ITSa341, Put a piece of chewing gum on the top right of your screen :-p
[01:07] <ITSa341> LOL  Like the black tape over my service engine soon light??
[01:07] <fileman> copy remaining packages to hd?
[01:08] <shredhead15> sethk,  it crashed or something,    the mouse doesnt work in console mode
[01:08] <fileman> this is where it locked up last time
[01:08] <lmanul> ITSa341, anyway, don't worry, nothing is wrong with your system
[01:08] <mwe> I wish you could get a new keyboard for your laptop without paying about the same as a new laptop would cost :|
[01:08] <fileman> ?
[01:08] <geneo93> fileman:  it need those to finish install
[01:08] <fileman> ok
[01:09] <fileman> i hope it doesnt freeze
[01:09] <SirKillalot> do you know a handy tool to manage your mp3 player? (usb mass storage)
[01:09] <fileman> last time copying last files were really slow
[01:09] <ITSa341> Imanul: Like I said, it's working just very annoying and I am one of those people who hates things being not quite perfect
[01:09] <jclemon> my brother uses banshee w/ his
[01:09] <fileman> damn acpi
[01:09] <mwe> SirKillalot: konqueror
[01:09] <SirKillalot> jclemon, talking to me?
[01:09] <jclemon> yeah
[01:09] <SirKillalot> mwe, no, konqueror is not that handy I think
[01:09] <lmanul> ITSa341, I can understand that :) I'm like this too, but I'm afraid the best solution is just to wait a while
[01:09] <SirKillalot> It doesnt show mp3 tags and so on
[01:09] <geneo93> 128mb of ram aint much help
[01:09] <mwe> SirKillalot: what do you need?
[01:10] <fileman> i hope i have enough space in /var
[01:10] <fileman> it might not
[01:10] <SirKillalot> I dont really know what I'm searching, just programs which are especially made for that issue
[01:10] <thinkle> I want to add an option when my wireless module is loaded (modprobe iwp2200 led=1), but I can't see where this happens in startup. What do I need to edit?
[01:10] <ITSa341> 10 minutes after I installed Ubuntu on this laptop UPS delivered a set of replacement restore cd's from eMachines    I have yet to open them.
[01:10] <fileman> i didnt set it up
[01:10] <sethk> mwe, hmm, that is weird, one ubuntu box likes alt-f7 but the other doesn't.
[01:10] <navarone> fileman how big is hard drive?
[01:10] <fileman> crap
[01:10] <fileman> 6gb
[01:10] <fileman> ok its going fast this time
[01:11] <mwe> sethk: yeah odd. it's worked on all linux boxes I've come across in 10 years or so
[01:11] <sethk> shredhead15, I'm out of easy suggestions, but the fact that something crashed indicates that you have a more serious problem than just mouse configuration
[01:11] <geneo93> you only need 3 gig
[01:11] <jclemon> anyone else use Cedega w/ Ubuntu?
[01:11] <fileman> i think cpu was too hot
[01:11] <Qalimas> Does anyone know of a really good AIM client for KDE?  I'm not interested in Kopete nor Gaim, AIM only support is fine, multi-protocol support isn't needed, help is much appreciated :)
[01:11] <fileman> it was on the flor with no vents
[01:11] <sethk> mwe, I don't know that I've tried it on very many.
[01:11] <mwe> sethk: no big deal though
[01:11] <sethk> mwe, control-alt-f7 worked 12 years ago and I didn't have any reason to try other combinations.  :)
[01:11] <mwe> sethk: lol
[01:11] <fileman> it going
[01:11] <fileman> im god
[01:12] <fileman> im god
[01:12] <fileman> good
[01:12] <mwe> shut up
[01:12] <fileman> sorry mistypeing
[01:12] <NCLife> i have a problem with my other user account.. whenever i want get in, it says the session lasted less than 10 seconds and that an error has occured, something about permission denied
[01:12] <fileman> next is pppoe
[01:13] <ITSa341> bbiab
[01:13] <sethk> NCLife, unfortunately "something about permission denied" is not anything we can say anything intelligent about
[01:13] <Jeffrae> Hi
[01:13] <shredhead15> sethk,  what should I edit  in xorg.conf
[01:13] <sethk> shredhead15, check the mouse driver
[01:13] <lmanul> ITSa341, Can't find a bug about your problem, but I'll report this to the other devs
[01:13] <NCLife> sethk, let me try again and copy the error text
[01:14] <Jeffrae> What is the most economical way to pack up a personal PC running Ubuntu?
[01:14] <Ummu> how do I burn .mdf file to a DVD-RW?
[01:14] <Jeffrae> pack = back
[01:14] <Jeffrae> sorry
[01:14] <sethk> shredhead15, there should be a line with something like  Option "Protocol"  "ps/2"
[01:14] <_jason> Jeffrae: I was about to suggest a suitcase made out of recycled materials...
[01:14] <sethk> shredhead15, and, prrobably, another line with   Driver  "mouse"
[01:14] <TheRyuu> god I hate only having an 18.6GB hdd
[01:14] <Jeffrae> _jason,  hahaha
[01:15] <lmanul> Jeffrae, Lot of tools for this, but just copying your /home should work ?
[01:15] <shredhead15> sethk, yes i see them
[01:15] <Jeffrae> that seams logical
[01:15] <soundray> Jeffrae, seems like you are asking about an entire strategy...
[01:15] <sethk> shredhead15, if the protocol line is not ps/2, I'd change it and restart X and see if it helps
[01:15] <Jeffrae> I like lmanul idea
[01:15] <Ummu> is it really worth getting ubuntu 64?
[01:16] <fileman> theryuu: i have a 250gb on my desktop
[01:16] <lmanul> Jeffrae, Yeah, lots of complicated strategy :) But if you want to be simple, just backup the /home directory
[01:16] <Jeffrae> I will buy a another hard drive
[01:16] <lmanul> Jeffrae, What are you backing up on ?
[01:16] <fileman> and thats not enough
[01:16] <lmanul> Ummu, If you have a 64 cpu, then it is :)
[01:16] <Jeffrae> I think i will back up to another hard drive
[01:16] <shredhead15> sethk, what do you mean restart x?
[01:16] <soundray> Jeffrae, if it's a simple solution you're after, check out sbackup. It'll save your home and other important files to a location of your choice, all "out of the box".
[01:16] <Ummu> lmanul, I do. Does it crash alot? my friends say it does... :\
[01:16] <lmanul> Jeffrae, Ok, then that's easy, just use "cp -a"
[01:16] <navarone> okay g-night and take care folks
[01:16] <sethk> shredhead15, just that.  Kill the X server and restart it.  The simplest way to do that is control-alt-backspace
[01:17] <mwe> Jeffrae: that should be relatively fast as well. just set up a cronjob
[01:17] <lmanul> Ummu, No, I believe it's just as stable as the other archs
[01:17] <geneo93> ctrl alt backspace to restart x
[01:17] <shredhead15> sethk, ok  thanks for helping
[01:17] <Jeffrae> cool
[01:17] <Jeffrae> thanks
[01:17] <lmanul> Jeffrae, Are you familiar with the terminal, a little bit ? Do you have several users on your box ?
[01:17] <sethk> shredhead15, not sure I helped, but np
[01:17] <Ummu> lmanul, damn, I'll have to reformat again. :|
[01:17] <Ummu> Oh well
[01:17] <Jeffrae> just me
[01:17] <fileman> at lest you dont have to ctrl-alt-del like winblows =)
[01:17] <lmanul> Ummu, You can try the live CD for a start
[01:17] <Jeffrae> I use the terminal
[01:17] <nekostar> anyone have the totem crash error?
[01:17] <lmanul> Ummu, just download the 64 Live CD and try it out
[01:17] <Ummu> lmanul, I don't think a live CD might run as fast as an installed version?
[01:17] <lmanul> Ummu, You CPU is a amd64 ?
[01:17] <nekostar> open totem // push + and add file // push + /// crashes???
[01:18] <Ummu> AMD x2. :)
[01:18] <lmanul> Ummu, It sure won't, but it will let you see whether Ubuntu recognizes your harware well or not
[01:18] <lmanul> Ummu, But if you got the x86 version working fine, then I can't see a reason why it wouldn't work
[01:19] <Ummu> I tried it
[01:19] <Ummu> I thought it didn't work
[01:19] <mwe> Ummu: you're not alone
[01:19] <Ummu> but then after installing the 32 version, I realized my problem. -.-
[01:19] <Ummu> Apparently, nv drivers don't support the 6600 too well.
[01:19] <mwe> Ummu: lots of people have problems with multimedia and stuff in U64
[01:20] <Ummu> Maybe I should wait till it's silghtly more mainstream
[01:20] <lmanul> mwe, Well, I believe that's not because the 64 arch doesn't work well, but it's because hardware that come on a 64 motherboard is often quite recent
[01:21] <mwe> lmanul: maybe. however I'd miss flash and a jave plugin
[01:21] <lmanul> Ah, right :)
[01:21] <mwe> lmanul: and 32 bit chroot is to much of a hassle for me
[01:21] <frazmanw> Ummu, I really wanted to run ubuntu 64 however I have an ATI card, and no matter what I did I did not get acceleration. Otherwise it worked great
[01:21] <tatters> any command line kung fu will reset ubuntu to way it was bfr I messed with it to save having to do a clean install?
[01:21] <soundray> mwe, same here. I keep postponing the chroot thing...
[01:21] <frazmanw> So now I run 32 bit again. Temporarely
[01:22] <Ummu> frazmanw, yeah, I have a friend that had no acceleration too
[01:22] <Ummu> glxgears worked, nvidia module loaded fine
[01:22] <Ummu> but no accel.
[01:22] <shinu> how would i go about rebooting wireless srevice on a vaio laptop with inbuilt wifi?
[01:23] <soundray> shinu, rebooting? Restart with /etc/init.d/networking restart.
[01:23] <Ummu> damn it, I can't seem to copy a file to my FAT32 partition
[01:23] <Ummu> it's 4.2 gb...
[01:23] <frazmanw> Ummu, I followed the Wiki and anything anyone in here advised and no acceleratiion. But I know someone with Nvida theirs is fine. Mine is ATI X300
[01:23] <Ummu> his is nvidia 6600 gt
[01:23] <lmanul> shift, try  sudo ifdown wlan0   then   sudo ifup wlan0   ?
[01:23] <shinu> soundray: as in the drivers themselve and stuff? not the eth interfaces
[01:23] <shinu> soundray: cause it cant see the card...
[01:24] <molotov_> I'm trying remote desktop into my hoary ubuntu installation from XP and I've been successful so far with default remote desktop stuff (configured a pass and settings of course). I read though that I need Xvnc to be able to have multiple users have their own environments on the ubuntu install - is this true? I can't find what I was reading the other day and so far I'm not having any luck although I am reading this thread: http://ubun
[01:24] <molotov_> tuforums.org/showthread.php?t=76638 and am wanting to know more before I tackle the directions.
[01:24] <soundray> shinu, then maybe you can do /etc/init.d/hotplug restart -- but probably best to reboot the system.
[01:24] <shinu> soundray: oh ok, thanks
[01:24] <tracy_> how do i calculate how much memory in KB my video card has? its got 32megs of ram.
[01:25] <Ummu> is there a file size limit to cp?
[01:25] <Kensey> OK.  If I have a disk image of an ntfs filesystem, how do I resize that filesystem inside the image?
[01:25] <ubuntu> mnju
[01:25] <soundray> molotov_, you definitely don't need Xvnc to have multiple users.
[01:25] <soundray> Ummu, no, but to FAT32. 2GB.
[01:25] <molotov_> soundray, alright excellent. Do I just need multple accounts? I'd prefer to not have to have more.
[01:26] <soundray> molotov_, Ubuntu is set up by default with one user account.
[01:26] <Ummu> soundray, damn it!
[01:26] <Ummu> soundray, any way around it
[01:26] <Ummu> ?
[01:26] <Dark_Oppressor> how do i install a .deb binary under ubuntu?
[01:26] <_jason> !deb
[01:26] <ubotu> To install a deb: sudo dpkg -i filename.deb
[01:26] <soundray> molotov_, for multiple environments, it's easiest to create additional users.
[01:26] <Dark_Oppressor> thanks :)
[01:27] <soundray> Ummu, no, I think the FAT file size limit is pretty much cast in stone...
[01:27] <NCLife> sethk, did you read my message?
[01:28] <tatters> what mysql do I need to run mysql-snort?
[01:28] <pudland> ahh
[01:28] <mwe> 4GB isn't it
[01:28] <molotov_> soundray, hmm alright. The article/doc I was reading communicated to me that there was some way to set it up so that using one account, you could have different 'modes' for different logins - for example if I want to remote desktop with 1280x1024 and my roommate wants to use 1024x768. You're saying it's just easiest to create two accounts with identicle permissions?
[01:28] <fileman> ok it installed this time
[01:28] <fileman> yay
[01:28] <soundray> soundray, Xvnc becomes interesting if you want to provide graphical environments to multiple users *simultaneously*
[01:28] <sethk> NCLife, that means that your user doesn't have rights to his home directory.  Therefore, either his home directory is set incorrectly, or the ownership of the home directory is wrong
[01:28] <fileman> now i have to set up pppoe
[01:29] <sethk> NCLife, if /home/jean is the correct home directory, do, as root:   chown -R jean /home/jean
[01:29] <molotov_> soundray, the problem now as you probably know is that when we both VNC into the ubuntu box, we're on the same desktop moving each others folders and things around.
[01:29] <soundray> molotov_, that is definitely possible.
[01:29] <sethk> NCLife, actually, chmod -R jean:jean /home/jean is better
[01:29] <NCLife> sethk, oks
[01:29] <mwe> sethk: chown
[01:30] <soundray> molotov_, not if you run separate instances of vncserver for two users.
[01:30] <sethk> mwe, rright
[01:30] <molotov_> soundray, about what you said above ^^, that sounds like what I'm interested in. Another problem we have is that if we're not actually logged into the machine, we can't VNC.
[01:30] <sethk> mwe, I set chown the first time, screwed it up the second time
[01:30] <molotov_> soundray, hmmmm how would I run separate instances?
[01:30] <sethk> NCLife, actually, chown -R jean:jean /home/jean is better
[01:30] <mwe> sethk: yeah
[01:30] <tck> anyone use xfce4 ?
[01:30] <FliesLikeABrick> how can i blacklist certain packages so that they don't update?  I want to prevent the kernel from upgrading, but I want to be able to run dist-upgrade periodically to upgrade everything else
[01:30] <soundray> molotov_, are you coming from a MS Windows sort of background?
[01:30] <mwe> tck: for about half an hour or so
[01:31] <molotov_> soundray, yes :/ I tackled Gentoo a few times, but never for anything more than personal use.
[01:31] <bimberi> FliesLikeABrick: Package -> Lock Version (in Synaptic)
[01:31] <tck> mwe , the xfce4-terminal - how you found out a way to save it to a smaller window sixe
[01:31] <frazmanw> I have been a linux user for years, Gentoo Ubuntu, debian etc, But never installed a printer. I need to set up a brother mfc-3820cn in Ubuntu. Should I use cups or lpr? Cups?
[01:31] <dwerf> ahoo ahoo ahoo
[01:31] <MarcN> frazmanw: cups is the default.
[01:31] <FliesLikeABrick> bimberi  what about in a terminal, since i'm not running a GUI
[01:32] <sethk> frazmanw, definitely cups
[01:32] <mwe> tck: yeah I think the man page descibes it. it has classes you can modify in .Xresources I believe
[01:32] <tck> ok
[01:32] <tck> thx
[01:32] <mwe> tck: I refuse to use anything but aterm or urxvt in any wm though
[01:33] <NCLife> sethk, ive tried and i get the same error
[01:33] <soundray> molotov_, with Linux, you get fully separated user sessions. Graphical or not. You can log in remotely using, say, ssh; start vncserver with your personal environment and connect to that.
[01:33] <tck> xterm is too small and u cant copy/paste
[01:33] <bimberi> FliesLikeABrick: there's a pinning howto on the wiki - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PinningHowto - although i've heard it's not great.  Forums or Google might do better
[01:33] <mwe> tck: you can copy paste and change font/windows size in xterm
[01:33] <FliesLikeABrick> thanks bimberi, knowing that it is called "pinning" will help me track down proper help anyway
[01:33] <FliesLikeABrick> thanks
[01:33] <NCLife> sethk, im typing that command from my other account home directory, was that ok?
[01:33] <soundray> molotov_, your roommate could do the same thing at the same time, and wouldn't even notice that you are working on it, too.
[01:33] <majd> hey
[01:33] <majd> i have a bunch of .otf fonts
[01:33] <sethk> NCLife, no, I said it has to be root
[01:33] <mwe> tck: however I find urxvt far superior
[01:33] <majd> anyone care to explain to me how to install them?
[01:33] <sethk> NCLife, sudo will do
[01:33] <bimberi> FliesLikeABrick: yes indeed, np :)
[01:34] <owner> any idea why fglrx driver+2.6.15+gnome freezes ubuntu
[01:34] <owner> i can use fluxbox
[01:34] <owner> and evne play games
[01:34] <owner> but i cant start gnome
[01:34] <tck> mwe where can i get that, its not in apt sources
[01:34] <mwe> tck: just mark the text you wanna copy then press the middle button or both of you don't have one to paste
[01:34] <NCLife> sethk, yes, i typed sudo chown -R jean:jean /home/jean
[01:34] <owner> before i installed fglrx, i could get into gnome with that kernel
[01:34] <molotov_> soundray, in what you just described, we're logging into ubuntu with separate accounts correct?
[01:34] <owner> its really weird
[01:34] <mwe> tck: it is
[01:34] <soundray> molotov_, yes.
[01:34] <quad_> Can someone help me with why I can't play _any_ media files on my system?!?
[01:35] <owner> i must have stumbled upon some weird conflict
[01:35] <tck> i use the up-to-date dapper ones
[01:35] <mwe> tck: enable universe though
[01:35] <sethk> NCLife, its possible you have noclobber set for that user, and the directory or something in the directory is marked read-only
[01:35] <tck> hmmm
[01:35] <sethk> NCLife, but it would take quite a bit of work to get it that messed up.
[01:35] <mwe> !tell tck about universe
[01:35] <bimberi> ubotu tell quad_ about multimedia
[01:35] <quad_> Every file I try playing gives me a "dont have codec"-error... even simple wav and mpeg files.
[01:35] <sethk> NCLife, I would rename /home/jean and create a new one, then do the chown -R on the new one
[01:35] <molotov_> soundray, ok groovy. Thank you for your help. I'm going to go read some more docs. I really appreciate your help.
[01:35] <owner> gdm starts but gnome doesnt
[01:35] <mwe> tck: see /msg from ubotu
[01:35] <tonyyarusso> !tell quad_ about restricted
[01:36] <mwe> owner: maybe the gnome profile got hosed somehow
[01:36] <pudland> I'm having postfix issues.  could someone look at this please. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7398
[01:36] <soundray> molotov_, come back if you need help. There's usually helpful people around.
[01:36] <tck> mwe, they are in my sources
[01:36] <owner> mwe i had the same problem the other day when i tried it
[01:36] <tck> werid eh ?
[01:36] <theneonshadow> how do i add a usb webcam
[01:36] <mwe> owner: did you try renaming ~/.gnome2
[01:36] <owner> its not the profile, because the other username i made doesnt work either
[01:37] <mwe> tck: what, sorry
[01:37] <dwerf> me want snoo snoo
[01:37] <tonyyarusso> !tell theneonshadow about webcam
[01:37] <soundray> molotov_, do you know about live CDs?
[01:38] <vir_> !tell vir_  about webcam
[01:38] <tck> mwe , hang on will try diff. sources
[01:38] <bimberi> frazmanw: ubuntu uses cups, there's an applet for setting up printers at System -> Administration -> Printers, unfortunately that printer isn't listed but if you can find a PPD file for it you can use that
[01:38] <molotov_> soundray, yes - it's how I got interested in Ubuntu in the first place :P I came off a Knoppix LiveCD, installed CollegeLinux, wrestled with Gentoo a few times, and am now trying to use linux instead of just play :D
[01:38] <mcdenyer> i just installed ubuntu and everything is slightly pink :(
[01:39] <soundray> molotov_, that's great, otherwise I would have pointed you to Ubuntu Live for starting.
[01:39] <ChefMedeski> m
[01:39] <mwe> molotov_: gentoo make your system crawl because you're compiling all the time
[01:39] <pudland> questions about postfix dep issues
[01:40] <owner> maybe i should have just stuck with 2.6.12
[01:40] <owner> people always say compiling your own kernel is faster
[01:40] <tonyyarusso> So I know lots of the internet's infrastructure runs Linux, so I just had a thought:  Can I make my computer my own ISP?
[01:40] <owner> you can tony
[01:40] <molotov_> soundray, well I consider myself somewhat able when it comes to linux (as you correctly guessed, I was raised by Gates :/) - I'm just still not trained in the linux mindset for a lot of things, like user sessions. I've never done anything like this VNC stuff, so I'm learning a lot of general stuff about this too. VNC seems a lot more point-click than it did, say 4 years ago.
[01:40] <mwe> owner: I don't think you'll notice a difference
[01:40] <sethk> owner, nobody who knows what they are talking about says compiling your own kernel is faster
[01:40] <tonyyarusso> owner: What would it take?
[01:40] <owner> u agree mwe
[01:40] <mcdenyer> i fixed the pink monitor was messed up :)
[01:40] <owner> i agree mwq
[01:40] <tck> mwe , ok using the sources from that link and still says cannot find 'urxvt'
[01:40] <owner> mwe
[01:41] <normal1_> hey anyone run tor here
[01:41] <vir_> is it normal for easycam to take ages?
[01:41] <mwe> tck: sudo apt-get update also it's rxvt-unicode
[01:41] <mcdenyer> hey i did hte automatic partition with the ext3 and the swap is that good?
[01:41] <tck> ahh unicode
[01:41] <tck> ok
[01:41] <mwe> tck: apt-cache search rxvt
[01:41] <thought_> i'm having abit of a proablem running tor
[01:41] <thought_> can anyone help by any chance
[01:41] <soundray> molotov_, recently, VNC has been used a lot to "export" local sessions. People sometimes forget how powerful it is if that is the sole use for VNC.
[01:41] <bimberi> pudland: "sudo invoke-rc.d postfix stop" then retry the install
[01:41] <mwe> owner: what?
[01:42] <tck> mwe. where did i get the u from
[01:42] <molotov_> soundray, yeah I'm learning more and more about that.
[01:42] <tck> aha urxvt :P your words :P
[01:42] <mwe> mwest: the binary in urxvt. that's what you type to start it
[01:42] <pudland> bimberi kk i'll try
[01:42] <mwe> tck: the binary in urxvt. that's what you type to start it
[01:42] <mwe> tck: the default look sucks at bit though
[01:43] <mwe> tck: you need to tweek it a little
[01:43] <tck> well can't copy/paste in the term
[01:43] <pudland> bimberi it says it stopped.  I'll try install.
[01:43] <tck> reminds of of xterm
[01:43] <mwe> tck: you can have my ~/.Xresources if you want
[01:43] <mcdenyer> mwe hey is the automatic partition good the one where it makes a primary ext3 and a logical swap?
[01:43] <mwe> tck: you can copy paste
[01:43] <tck> ok
[01:43] <mwe> tck: and get transparency
[01:43] <soundray> molotov_, but VNC is advanced and non-essential. Depending on what kind of work you need to do, you may find that "basic" tools like bash are all you need.
[01:44] <mwe> tck: mark the text. then press the middle button or left+right to paste
[01:44] <bionic> whats a good graphical wireless configuration and monitor for breezy?
[01:44] <jean> anyone played anything as good as lost labyrinth lately?
[01:44] <mwe> tck: hang. try my .Xresources if you want
[01:44] <frazmanw> I need to set up brother mfc-3820cn printer, it uses a cups-wrapper, and says it needs lpr printing system installed and running. Ubuntu comes standard with only cups???
[01:45] <bhearsum> has anyone here ever tried to install ubuntu, with an nfs root?
[01:45] <tck> mwe, the left and right workds
[01:45] <tck> i will use that :)
[01:45] <tck> thx
[01:45] <mwe> tck: want my tweaked .Xresources?
[01:45] <mwe> tck: for transparency and stuff
[01:45] <soundray> frazmanw, if you install cupsys-bsd, your system will offer lpr style commands.
[01:45] <mcdenyer> your root partition needs to be primary right?
[01:45] <frazmanw> soundray,  tks
[01:45] <tck> mwe, no thanks
[01:45] <tck> :)
[01:46] <mwe> ok
[01:46] <frazmanw> soundray, and is it normally running (as they put it?) or do i have to start it?
[01:47] <mcdenyer> mwe hey my root partition shoud be a primary ext3 right?
[01:47] <soundray> frazmanw, cups is run as a system service after boot.
[01:47] <frazmanw> soundray, and lpr with it?
[01:47] <mwe> tck: I hate the default look of it though. but try ls /usr/lib in rext then in gnome-terminal you'll see a huge difference in speed
[01:47] <soundray> frazmanw, lpr is then just an interface to the cups system.
[01:47] <mwe> tck: s/rext/rxvt/
[01:47] <molotov_> soundray, yeah that's kind of what I'm noticing. It would be nice to be able to VNC into ubuntu and have a gui for login, but I don't think it's worth the system resources anymore.
[01:48] <pudland> bimberi, i installed something lite and it updated all the lsb and postfix deps.  Thanks much
[01:48] <mwe> mcdenyer: doesn't have to be primary. extended is fine too
[01:48] <soundray> molotov_, that of course depends on how beefy your machine is.
[01:48] <mwe> mcdenyer: ext3 is a good choice
[01:48] <mcdenyer> mwe well how shold a noob like me partition?
[01:48] <mwe> mcdenyer: in general
[01:48] <tck> mwe i use xfce4 , old laptop gnome runs terribly slow on it
[01:48] <mcdenyer> mwe primary ext3 then"?
[01:48] <mwe> mcdenyer: Just go with one big / like me :)
[01:49] <mcdenyer> mwe yes i know but primary or logical?
[01:49] <owner> whats slower tck, gnome or kde
[01:49] <mwe> mcdenyer: that way you don't get problems with wrong sizes
[01:49] <mwe> mcdenyer: either
[01:49] <mwe> mcdenyer: just use a primary. it's not important
[01:49] <molotov_> soundray, well if it's greater than zero, it's too much :P The machine is beefy enough, I just hate superfluous processes and cpu cycles.
[01:49] <girl_xxx^-^> #malang
[01:50] <tck> mwe, haven't tried kde on this laptop, but when i tried xfce4 its like a new lease of life
[01:50] <mcdenyer> mwe well i have an ntfs partition from windows and then idid an auto partition and ubuntu made a primary ext3 and a logical swap
[01:50] <owner> fluxbox is good too tck
[01:50] <tonyyarusso> owner: Do you know any more about my self-ISP question, or just that it's possible?
[01:50] <soundray> molotov_, you may not like Gnome and KDE, then. Check out xubuntu.
[01:50] <mcdenyer> mwe ok i just install hoary should i update to breezy and then update orshould i update first then upgrade to breezy?
[01:51] <quad_> Why does ./RealPlayer10GOLD.bin give "sudo: ./RealPlayer10GOLD.bin: command not found"
[01:51] <mwe> tck: all right. you should definately run rxvt or aterm if you're short on resources. the xfce term is by no means light weight
[01:51] <tonyyarusso> quad_: Are you in the directory where the file is?
[01:51] <mcdenyer> to upgrade u just change source list and then sudo apt-get update right?
[01:51] <quad_> yes
[01:51] <soundray> quad_, chmod 755 ./RealPlayer10GOLD.bin first.
[01:51] <tonyyarusso> mcdenyer: dist-upgrade
[01:51] <owner> tony, i think there is a program to set up dial in access
[01:51] <mwe> tck: don't bother kde if gnome is slow. it uses even more resources
[01:51] <owner> not sure what kind of isp you want to setup
[01:51] <tonyyarusso> soundray: Ah, right.  (for quad_ )
[01:51] <quad_> soundray, i have chmod -x ./RealPlayer10GOLD.bin first
[01:51] <owner> i remember reading on ubuntuforums about a similar question
[01:51] <soundray> quad_, you want +x
[01:52] <mcdenyer> tonyyarusso, should i update my hoary first though?
[01:52] <quad_> oh yeah :D
[01:52] <tonyyarusso> owner: I'm basically just curious what it would take to not have to pay a bill to Bell.
[01:52] <mwe> mcdenyer: I'm not sure. I think either will do
[01:52] <mcdenyer> tonyyarusso, or should i just upgrade to breezy then update
[01:52] <tck> mwe aye, am going to try fluxbox now :)
[01:52] <mwe> tck: good choice!
[01:52] <mwe> tck: I love flux
[01:52] <mcdenyer> mwe sudo dist-upgrade to upgrade to breezy?
[01:52] <tonyyarusso> mcdenyer: I think I'd suggest upgrade the hoary and then go to breezy, but I'm not sure if it matters.
[01:52] <nekostar> hey anyone get that totem add file crash error?
[01:52] <mwe> tck: and that's really light weight
[01:52] <owner> im using fluxbox right now
[01:52] <tonyyarusso> mcdenyer: No harm in that way anyway.
[01:53] <flashy|haha> _jason i have no luck with every package i try to install
[01:53] <mwe> mcdenyer: change all occurences of hoary to breezy in /etc/apt/sources.list first
[01:53] <mcdenyer> tonyyarusso, true it sudo apt-get update to update hoary right?
[01:53] <durt> when i dist-upgrade, i get this error: dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) when nvidia-glx is trying to be installed and apt-get -f install cant get past this error. how do i fix this?
[01:53] <mwe> mcdenyer: just use search/replace
[01:53] <mcdenyer> mwe wont dist-upgrade do that?
[01:53] <soundray> durt, is your filesystem full?
[01:53] <mwe> mcdenyer: no
[01:53] <_jason> flashy|haha: that is because there is no java for amd64 (I think), why don't you just install the i386 version of ubuntu if you really want things like java?
[01:54] <flashy|haha> _jason there are some versions for amd64
[01:54] <mwe> mcdenyer: despite the name of the command
[01:54] <durt> soundray: no, but the error also says: trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/nvidia-settings', which is also in package nvidia-settings
[01:54] <soundray> _jason, there is Java for amd64, just no ff plugin.
[01:54] <mcdenyer> mwe im worried my comp isnt making as much sound as it should with gaim runnning
[01:54] <flashy|haha> soundray maybe u can help me with installing jre on amd64 ubuntu 5.04 ?
[01:54] <molotov_> soundray, actually I saw that I could get fluxbox for ubuntu, that was interesting. Since this machine is acting as a server, I'm somewhat in the market for a slimmed GUI.
[01:55] <mcdenyer> mwe like when people login it doesnrt make noise
[01:55] <tonyyarusso> mcdenyer: update updates the sources list / package cache.  upgrade gets new versions of files.  dist-upgrade will get you to breezy from hoary.
[01:55] <_jason> soundray: can you tell flashy|haha where he can find it.  He has been try for hours now
[01:55] <jariep1_> how do you switch between different installed versions of java in ubuntu?
[01:55] <mwe> mcdenyer: sudo sed -i 's/hoary/breezy' /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:55] <soundray> durt, 'sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/<packagename>'
[01:56] <quad_> soundray, I installed the Realplayer, but when i click the link, it wont start?!
[01:56] <soundray> flashy|haha, I can give you a URL that I followed... let me dig it up.
[01:56] <flashy|haha> well
[01:56] <soundray> quad_, will it start from the command line?
[01:56] <quad_> dno.. whats the cmd?
[01:57] <mcdenyer> mwe woah so theres a command that replaces hoary word to breezy?
[01:57] <gnomefreak> mcdenyer: yes thanks to sed :)
[01:57] <rendi> hi what command to see my mysql version
[01:57] <mwe> mcdenyer: right :)
[01:57] <tonyyarusso> mcdenyer: Yeah, you can get it to replace pretty much anything you want in any ascii file.
[01:57] <mcdenyer> mwe sed: -e expression #1, char 14: unterminated `s' command
[01:57] <mwe> mcdenyer: sed
[01:57] <quad_> soundray, realplay, got it... but its not starting
[01:57] <soundray> flashy|haha, have you downloaded the right package from sun?
[01:57] <mcdenyer> mwe thats what i got in response to that commanhd that good?
[01:57] <mwe> mcdenyer: you typed it wrong then
[01:58] <flashy|haha> soundray i have only a dedicated server no x-server or so
[01:58] <durt> thanks soundray, force-all did the trick
[01:58] <mwe> mcdenyer: I did too. sorry
[01:58] <bimberi> jariep1_: sudo update-alternatives --config java
[01:58] <mwe> mcdenyer: sudo sed -i 's/hoary/breezy/' /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:58] <mwe> mcdenyer: there you go
[01:58] <flashy|haha> soundray i cant download it because dl adress is to long
[01:58] <mwe> mcdenyer: missed trailing /
[01:58] <jariep1_> ok
[01:58] <jariep1_> thanks bimberi
[01:58] <quad_> maybe I should stop running ubuntu on my 600 MHz, it seems its having enough to work with!
[01:58] <bimberi> rendi: dpkg -l | grep mysql
[01:58] <ChefMedeski> so
[01:59] <ChefMedeski> anyone knows DELL BIOS well?
[01:59] <mwe> mcdenyer: did you get that?
[01:59] <mcdenyer> mwe hmm says no such file or directory
[01:59] <ChefMedeski> I nned some help with GRUB
[01:59] <soundray> flashy|haha, can you not download on another machine then?
[01:59] <mwe> mcdenyer: what?
[01:59] <tonyyarusso> Oh, sad, he left.
[01:59] <mcdenyer> mwe mcdenyer@MarksBox:~$ sudo sed -i 's/hoary/breezy/'
[01:59] <mcdenyer> sed: can't read -: No such file or directory
[01:59] <gnomefreak> ubotu tell ChefMedeski about grub
[01:59] <mwe> mcdenyer: it's not complete
[01:59] <travishafer1992> Can anyone tell me what I need to get gcc working?
[02:00] <mwe> mcdenyer: sudo sed -i 's/hoary/breezy/' /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:00] <travishafer1992> I'm a linux newbie.
[02:00] <mcdenyer> mwe lol ok
[02:00] <flashy|haha> soundray i tried that and wget then to the box but after accepting the rules it said its corrupted
[02:00] <bimberi> travishafer1992: sudo aptitude install build-essential
[02:00] <gnomefreak> travishafer1992: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[02:00] <soundray> travishafer1992, 'sudo apt-get install build-depends'
[02:00] <blacks> travishafer1992, apt-get install build-essential
[02:00] <travishafer1992> Thanks
[02:00] <_jason> wow
[02:00] <soundray> unisono :)
[02:00] <bimberi> darn, 1- 3
[02:00] <gnomefreak> :)
[02:00] <hyphenated> now, who actually got the answer right? :-)
[02:00] <soundray> hyphenated, not me :)
[02:01] <tonyyarusso> Anyone else have any idea how difficult / what hardware it would take for someone to make their computer into an ISP for themself?  (This question is basically curiosity, wondering what it would take to not have to pay the phone company every month...)
[02:01] <_jason> soundray: -1
[02:01] <gnomefreak> lol soundray
[02:01] <hyphenated> soundray: indeed. and blacks only get's half a point for missing sudo
[02:01] <gnomefreak> you were close :)
[02:01] <bimberi> and apt-get is so 5mins ago, so i win :P
[02:02] <gnomefreak> lol
[02:02] <gnomefreak> apt-get is shorter than aptitude
[02:02] <flashy|haha> soundray i tried that and wget then to the box but after accepting the rules it said its corrupted
[02:02] <blacks> wow I thought aptitude was kubuntu-only, didn't know I had it
[02:02] <mcdenyer> why is it so bad to write to an ntfs from linux?>
[02:02] <gnomefreak> blacks: apt comes from aptitude
[02:02] <travishafer1992> What do I need to get tcl working?
[02:02] <gnomefreak> mcdenyer: dangerouse unsafe
[02:02] <mwe> mcdenyer: because it unsafe
[02:02] <mcdenyer> how much better is cedega from wine?
[02:02] <blacks> mcdenyer, because captive-ntfs is insanely slow, and the kernel ntfs is unsafe
[02:02] <bimberi> soundray: thanks :)
[02:03] <flashy|haha> travishafer1992 apt-get install tcl8.4
[02:03] <travishafer1992> Thanks.
[02:03] <mcdenyer> mwe, becuase of viruses?
[02:03] <mwe> mcdenyer: no
[02:03] <flashy|haha> and tk8.4 too
[02:03] <mwe> mcdenyer: because it can go wrong
[02:03] <flashy|haha> travishafer1992 tk8.4 too
[02:03] <mwe> mcdenyer: can hose files and stuff
[02:03] <aubs_> hey guys, i downloaded the live disc, but when i try to boot from it, after i pick a language and country, it says it can't ID my cd drive...
[02:03] <tonyyarusso> blacks: What's captive-ntfs?
[02:03] <soundray> flashy|haha, did you check the file size at each stage? Maybe one of the downloads was incomplete.
[02:03] <aubs_> even though its obviously reading from it
[02:03] <mcdenyer> mwe aww but its ok to copy files form an ntfs right?
[02:03] <mwe> mcdenyer: yeah
[02:03] <flashy|haha> its all complete soundray
[02:03] <mcdenyer> mwe k cool
[02:03] <boodle> anyone getting xorg-server to work in dapper right now (font problems it looks like)
[02:03] <blacks> tonyyarusso, it uses some reactos stuff, and a ntfs.sys from a windows install to emulate the windows ntfs driver.  fairly safe, but pretty slow
[02:04] <mcdenyer> hey how much better is cedega from wine?
[02:04] <soundray> tonyyarusso, a solution for writing to NTFS that uses Windows' own dlls.
[02:04] <tonyyarusso> boodle: I think X is known broken in dapper at the moment.
[02:04] <flashy|haha> i try again soundray
[02:04] <gnomefreak> boodle: the fix is fairly easy :)
[02:04] <crimsun> boodle: check the /usr/X11R6/bin/X and /usr/bin/X11/X symlinks
[02:04] <tonyyarusso> blacks, soundray: Ah.
[02:04] <aubs_> hey guys, i downloaded the live disc, but when i try to boot from it, after i pick a language and country, it says it can't ID my cd drive... even though its obviously reading from it to get that far
[02:04] <Kyral> mcdenyer: its good enough to pay 5 a month
[02:04] <boodle> crimsun tyvm!
[02:04] <soundray> flashy|haha, sorry, I don't think there's any other way.
[02:04] <mcdenyer> mwe btw i changed the hoary to breezy then sudo apt-get update and am now sudo dist-upgrade
[02:04] <crimsun> boodle: they need to be valid, i.e., point to /usr/bin/Xorg
[02:04] <mcdenyer> kyral that good?
[02:04] <mwe> mcdenyer: thanks to M$ closed specs of ntfs all the work is done by reverse engeniering. makes it kinda hard
[02:04] <quad_> Just rebooted, and now my mouse aint working - what do I do??
[02:04] <gnomefreak> boodle: replace /usr/X11r6/bin/X with /usr/bin/X11/Xorg in /etc/gdm/gdm.conf
[02:05] <mwe> mcdenyer: yeah and pray
[02:05] <Kyral> mcdenyer Hey it lets me play NFSU2 and JA :D
[02:05] <blacks> quad_, click to the system administration menu
[02:05] <mwe> mcdenyer: it should work
[02:05] <Kyral> At Native :P
[02:05] <aubs_> hey guys, i downloaded the live disc, but when i try to boot from it, after i pick a language and country, it says it can't ID my cd drive... even though its obviously reading from it to get that far
[02:05] <quad_> blacks, how??
[02:05] <mcdenyer> mwe pray? :/
[02:05] <blacks> sorry, was trying to be funny.  heheh
[02:05] <dwerf> hi people, somehow, i deleted my trash-can from the dock at the bottom ... hoe stupid is that?
[02:05] <aubs_> sigh, i have a sinking feeling im not gonna get a lot of help...?
[02:05] <quad_> :|
[02:05] <mcdenyer> kyral u ever installed steam with it?
[02:05] <Kyral> dwerf: not?
[02:05] <mwe> mcdenyer: you could get into trouble but you shouldn't :)
[02:05] <Kyral> mcdenyer: yah...I think lol
[02:05] <gnomefreak> aubs_: did you check the md5sum of the iso?
[02:05] <tonyyarusso> dwerf: Right click, "Add to Panel", > Trash.
[02:05] <quad_> Anyone??
[02:06] <soundray> blacks :D
[02:06] <dwerf> Kyral - how to fix it?
[02:06] <Kyral> I installed HL
[02:06] <mcdenyer> mwe why would i get into trouble im just updating ;/
[02:06] <flashy|haha> soundray ill try it again
[02:06] <aubs_> gnomefreak: how would i do that?
[02:06] <Kyral> dwerf: right click?
[02:06] <blacks> dwerf, right click an empty spot on the top title bar, and go "add to panel"
[02:06] <mwe> mcdenyer: some people have reported problems doing it
[02:06] <quad_> guess ill reboot again and see if it goes away...
[02:06] <mcdenyer> kyral is it pretty easy to use like pretty automatic
[02:06] <gnomefreak> aubs_: what operating system are you using?
[02:06] <mzinz> I have a great wireless connection, and i was just downloading at like 100kb/sec on my laptop, but webbrowsing is SUPER slow with opera and firefox1.5... any idea why or clues what i could change?
[02:06] <mwe> mcdenyer: because so much changes in a new release
[02:06] <mcdenyer> mwe  :(
[02:06] <Kyral> mcdenyer: kinda?
[02:06] <aubs_> XP, unfortunately... (and thus the trying to shift to ubuntu)
[02:06] <dwerf> Kyral > hey there's another load of linux presents!
[02:06] <Kyral> mcdenyer: gotta install
[02:06] <dwerf> Kyral > thanx!
[02:06] <fileman> i have a big problem
[02:06] <mwe> mcdenyer: if you get trouble it's fixable, probably thouhg
[02:06] <mcdenyer> kyral well i used wine and it was kind of a pain
[02:07] <gnomefreak> aubs_: you have to find a tool to download i havent uised xp tfor that in long time
[02:07] <mwe> mcdenyer: I had a few problems doing it but I fixed it
[02:07] <Kyral> mcdenyer: it has a GUI
[02:07] <fileman> from the command line how do i post setup
[02:07] <fileman> it failed
[02:07] <aubs_> ok ill google it up
[02:07] <fileman> cpu got too hot i think
[02:07] <gnomefreak> unfortunately i dont remember the name of it :(
[02:07] <mcdenyer> mwe well i did an update before but i did it differently
[02:07] <fileman> locked up
[02:07] <mcdenyer> mwe i just changed sourcelist and then did sudo apt-get update
[02:07] <mwe> mcdenyer: just sudo apt-get dist-upgrade. I think it will work
[02:07] <mcdenyer> mwe i didnt do the dist-upgrade
[02:07] <flodine> anyone try intels dual core chip on ubuntu yet?
[02:07] <soundray> Cheers friends, see you all
[02:07] <geneo93> fileman:  it should contiue on its own
[02:08] <mcdenyer> mwe yeah i did its doing it now
[02:08] <fileman> it didnt
[02:08] <fileman> it saidd error
[02:08] <tonyyarusso> flodine: I heard someone say once that they had, no idea with what results.
[02:08] <fileman> i pressed enter
[02:08] <fileman> and wen to login
[02:08] <fileman> text mode
[02:08] <fileman> there is no x
[02:08] <gnomefreak> upgrade before you dist-upgrade is not an issue just make sure you have ubuntu-desktop installed before you go from hoary to breezy :)
[02:08] <mcdenyer> kyral cool\
[02:08] <mcdenyer> kyral gonna go get dads credit card muhahahaha
[02:08] <geneo93> fileman try startx
[02:08] <Kyral> lol
[02:08] <fileman> i did
[02:09] <fileman> command not found
[02:09] <mwe> mcdenyer: I think font paths has changed. you should edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf if S complains about missing fonts or wrong font paths
[02:09] <fileman> setup didnt finish
[02:09] <mwe> mcdenyer: s/S/X/
[02:09] <geneo93> put it in the frige when you do it next time fileman
[02:09] <flodine>  tonyyarus just wanted to know will have one monday hope it works
[02:10] <fileman> lol
[02:10] <tonyyarusso> flodine: Good luck with it!
[02:10] <fileman> acpi make lappy HOT
[02:10] <flodine>  tonyyarus if not going to amd 64
[02:10] <fileman> ill just keep it off my bed
[02:10] <mwe> is hard modding a console illegal in the US?
[02:10] <ChefMedeski> do any of u know how to install firefox 1.5?
[02:10] <geneo93> fileman:  u tried no apci
[02:11] <flashy|hehe> soundray is gone
[02:11] <flashy|hehe> that suxx
[02:11] <_jason> ubotu: tell ChefMedeski about ff1.5
[02:11] <bimberi> !firefox1.5
[02:11] <ubotu> You can use firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[02:11] <mcdenyer> kyral hey u wouldnt happen to know if cedega can run quickbooks would ya?
[02:11] <frazmanw> trying to install brother cupswrapper driver for my mfc-3820cn. getting this error  ****** ERROR: csh is required. ******   what do i do?
[02:11] <mcdenyer> can cedega run quickbooks
[02:11] <ChefMedeski> thanks jason
[02:11] <flashy|hehe> _jason i try now with my own comp and upload it after download to my linux box and hope that it work then
[02:11] <Kyral> mcdenyer: Cedega says itself that Cedega is for Games, WINE is for Apps
[02:11] <mcdenyer> kyral hmm ok
[02:11] <_jason> flashy|hehe: good luck, you've certainly been working hard enough to deserve java :)
[02:12] <niten__> !win me
[02:12] <ubotu> niten__: I don't know, could you explain it?
[02:12] <niten__> sure, it is like, I win...
[02:12] <mwe> wine runs like 1/1000 windows apps
[02:12] <flashy|hehe> hehe _jason i work now 3 hours on it
[02:12] <mwe> same odds for cedega substituting apps for games
[02:12] <flashy|hehe> and im get pissed of ubuntu more and more _jason
[02:12] <Kyral> why would you use Windows apps on Linux anyway ;P
[02:13] <boodle> welp got xserver (xorg) 'working' but fonts my issue...can't find fixed fonts.. (always have hated xwindows font stuff...) any easy way to setup fonts?
[02:13] <mwe> Kyral: because some simply doesnt have good alternatives
[02:13] <Kyral> Emacs for all ;P
[02:13] <mzinz> I have a great wireless connection, and i was just downloading at like 100kb/sec on my laptop, but webbrowsing is SUPER slow with opera and firefox1.5... any idea why or clues what i could change?
[02:13] <flashy|hehe> 20 minutes to upload
[02:13] <jago25_98> boodle: automagix or whatever it's called
[02:13] <frazmanw> trying to install brother cupswrapper driver for my mfc-3820cn. getting this error  ****** ERROR: csh is required. ******   is this the csh in apt repo.... the login shell?
[02:13] <boodle> jago25_98 cool, will try it thank you!
[02:14] <mwe> Kyral: comparing gimp to photoshop is like comparing a calculator to pc for one thing
[02:14] <Kyral> !csh
[02:14] <ubotu> No idea, Kyral
[02:14] <quad_> There that did it...
[02:14] <jago25_98> boodle: via ubuntu forums
[02:14] <Kyral> !info csh
[02:14] <ubotu> csh: (Shell with C-like syntax, standard login shell on BSD systems), section universe/shells, is optional. Version: 20050313-1 (breezy), Packaged size: 233 kB, Installed size: 384 kB
[02:14] <boodle> jago25_98 ah ok..not seeing it via apt-cache
[02:14] <Kyral> mwe: I had this blowout like 5 weeks ago in #ubuntuforums lol
[02:14] <gnomefreak> open terminal and type csh
[02:14] <mwe> Kyral: ok
[02:14] <Kyral> but then again I don't do GFX design
[02:14] <aubs_> gnomefreak: i checked the md5sum and its ok
[02:15] <bionic> whats wrong when i cant play mp3s in xmms with regular user, but with root i can?
[02:15] <gnomefreak> aubs_: what speed did you burn the iso at?
[02:15] <jago25_98> bionic: permissions on /dev/dsp
[02:15] <Kyral> that XPM I made for EasyChem is the best I can do lol
[02:15] <aubs_> 52x
[02:15] <aubs_> actually, now that i think about it, it said it "avoided an error" while burning
[02:15] <gnomefreak> aubs_: reburn it at 2x if you can lowest the better
[02:15] <aubs_> ill try again at a slower speed
[02:15] <gnomefreak> aubs_: slow as you can
[02:15] <gkd> I'm trying to install gcc-4.0, but when I try a compile, I'm still missing libraries : "test.c:1:19: error: stdio.h: No such file or directory". I'm using synaptic, and I installed anything that sounds like gcc4. Any thoughts on what I'm doing wrong? Thanks.
[02:16] <aubs_> thanks
[02:16] <username011806> so mates.. just me?.. or unnofficial kubuntu faq supporting apt sources others have warned will bork my install please?.. ty.. i.e. multiverse etc?
[02:16] <Kyral> gkd: sudo apt-get install build-essiential
[02:16] <blacks> gkd, build-essential
[02:16] <gnomefreak> gkd: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[02:16] <Kyral> username011806: Universe and Multiverse are official
[02:16] <mwe> Kyral: if you don't need your games and can live without your favorite windows apps there is no need to run wine though :) I must admit I have vmwary for a few I can't live without though
[02:16] <mzinz> Anyone know of any good network monitoring software?
[02:16] <Kyral> lol
[02:16] <gnomefreak> Kyral: when did multiverse become offical?
[02:16] <quad_> Have anyone got a link to a good guide on how to make CUPS and Samba??
[02:17] <Kyral> gnomefreak: uhh....for as long as I can remember?
[02:17] <Kyral> before Backports was
[02:17] <blacks> is there a decent linux nzb-enabled multithreaded newsreader?
[02:17] <quad_> I cant get my win to see the ubuntu server?!
[02:17] <mwe> quad_: how to make them?
[02:17] <frazmanw> I am installing cupswrapper for my brother printer, during dpkg i get  /etc/init.d/cups: Command not found.
[02:17] <frazmanw>
[02:17] <gnomefreak> i could have sworn multiverse was unofficial a few months ago
[02:17] <Kyral> no...
[02:17] <gnomefreak> ohhhhhh
[02:17] <gnomefreak> ok :) ty
[02:17] <tonyyarusso> quad_: !samba point to the wiki for it, which will at least get you started, and then come back if you have issues configuring.
[02:18] <quad_> mwe, filesharing are working fine, its the printshare that boughters me.
[02:18] <mwe> quad_: oh. there's a great wiki
[02:18] <transgress_> okay when i try to connect my desktop directly to my modem after it's been connected to the router, and then run ifup, it tries searching the for the dhcp from the router instead of whatever is being broadcasted from the modem
[02:18] <transgress_> is there a way to fix this?
[02:18] <mwe> quad_: ok. did you search wiki.ubuntu.com?
[02:18] <bionic> jago25_98: ow the problem was that i tried to run the mp3 from the windows partition, seems like root is the only one with access to do that.. i could read the files tho
[02:18] <mwe> quad_: there are a few great wikis there
[02:18] <mzinz> Anyone know of any good network monitoring software?
[02:18] <quad_> tonyyarusso, i have been trying all day... and i hornestly dont know too much about it.
[02:18] <Kyral> mzinz: like flow in and out?
[02:18] <mwe> mzinz: netstat
[02:18] <quad_> and mwe
[02:19] <jago25_98> bionic: fstab, uid=user you want is one method
[02:19] <mwe> quad_: did you search wiki.ubuntu.com?
[02:19] <username011806> Kyral: coolness.. ty muchly mate ;]
[02:19] <mzinz> Kyral, yeah, we have like 20 computers in this house and i
[02:19] <bionic> jago25_98: i will try, then mount -a? thanks
[02:19] <gkd> Hey, great! That worked. Thanks to all. How should I have seen that was necessary? man gcc? None of the notes for gcc items alluded to that in the synaptic window.
[02:20] <bimberi> quad_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWinXP
[02:20] <jago25_98> bionic: er, maybe. I usually umount & mount again
[02:20] <tonyyarusso> quad_: Well, to be honest with you, cdubya walked me through it for the first time last month, but I can try to tell you something if nobody else can.
[02:20] <mzinz> Kyral, i'd like to see how many packets are going where
[02:20] <quad_> mwe, tonyyarusso, It seems i have the printer installed, and it is working locally, the CUPS has it added, but I just cant find it over the network.
[02:20] <Kyral> mzinz: thats beyond the scope of my network knowledge
[02:20] <gnomefreak> gkd: i dont think there is pages that say it is nesscesary but it is the most commonly used and it packages a bunch of things you might need in future :)
[02:20] <frazmanw> I am installing cupswrapper for my brother printer, during dpkg i get  /etc/init.d/cups: Command not found.  I looked there and there is no cups. Why? there is a cupsys
[02:20] <fileman> now i just get the login screen
[02:21] <mwe> quad_: please read the wiki
[02:21] <mwe> quad_: it has all the info you need
[02:21] <fileman> is it in /sbin
[02:21] <bionic> jago25_98: worked like a charm, appreciate it
[02:21] <quad_> mwe, tonyyarusso, bimberi, Yes, I will try hacking through that wiki
[02:21] <mzinz> mwe, I'm trying to see what packets are going where on my network.  Any idea if anythings capable of that?  Modem>Router>Switch>hosts
[02:21] <jago25_98> bionic:  np
[02:21] <fileman> or /usr/bin?
[02:21] <mwe> quad_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWinXP
[02:21] <tonyyarusso> quad_: Also didn't do network printing, just file sharing, so I really can't help you there.
[02:21] <gnomefreak> what is dpkg i supposed to do?
[02:21] <jago25_98> mzinz: iftop, nettop, traceroute, netstat -lrp
[02:21] <quad_> tonyyarusso, ah... well my filesharing is perfect, so :)
[02:22] <mwe> mzinz: traceroute maybe
[02:22] <gnomefreak> frazmanw: try dpkg -i filename.deb
[02:22] <mzinz> mwe, the terminal command?
[02:22] <mwe> mzinz: yeah. read man traceroute first though
[02:22] <tonyyarusso> quad_: A good place to start at least!
[02:22] <mzinz> mwe, well i'd really like something like graphical if possible.  there are about 20 computers and if i could see what was going where it would be easier lol. but maybe not possible
[02:22] <bimberi> mzinz: tracepath (traceroute isn't installed by default)
[02:22] <mzinz> mwe, k
[02:22] <mzinz> bimberi, k
[02:23] <fileman> post setup from command line?
[02:23] <fileman> it would save a lot of time
[02:23] <Blackdog456> i use ethereal for traceing packets...it may be an overkill here
[02:23] <frazmanw> gnome i am doing dpkg -i --force-all cupswrappermfc3820cn_1.0.0-2_i386.deb
[02:23] <frazmanw>   however I get an error during it saying /etc/init.d/cups: Command not found. an I missing somethinf for cups, or do I have to add cups to init.d?
[02:23] <transgress_> anyone?  i need to be able to connect directly through my modem, but when i try ifup it hangs because it's looking for the dhcp from my router...
[02:23] <frazmanw> gnomefreak, see above mistyped your name
[02:24] <jago25_98> transgress: I need much more info. cable modem, ethernmet conn, dialup, adsl, satalite or other?
[02:25] <Snarkfish> adriyel,  :]
[02:25] <gnomefreak> frazmanw: you shouldnt have to add cups anywhere :( im not real sure why you are getting that error do you have cups install? sorry have to ask :(
[02:25] <adriyel> Snarkfish, hola
[02:26] <mzinz> bimberi, for some reason my webbrowsing is *really* slow, but I can DL fine and can browse fine on windows. any idea
[02:26] <flashy|hehe> _jason it wont work anyways
[02:26] <bimberi> frazmanw: it's cupsys
[02:26] <fileman> please help
[02:26] <frazmanw> gnomefreak, cups is installed by default right? I have supsys and server etc
[02:26] <_jason> flashy|hehe: errors?
[02:26] <flashy|hehe> same
[02:26] <flashy|hehe> corrupted
[02:26] <flashy|hehe> but file size is okay
[02:26] <Snarkfish> adriyel, lol.. I just found something interesting. Searching for "Sourceforge" on google gives you sourceforge.net, and the second is audacity.sourceforge.net :))
[02:26] <Snarkfish> :P
[02:26] <aubs_> hey gnome
[02:26] <Snarkfish> <3 Audacity.
[02:26] <gnomefreak> frazmanw: yes installed by default under the default install
[02:26] <_jason> flashy|hehe: you may just need to use the 32 bit one and use a chroot
[02:26] <gnomefreak> aubs?
[02:27] <gnomefreak> aubs_: work better?
[02:27] <flashy|hehe> _jason is dedicated cant choose the system
[02:27] <aubs_> so i reburned it (at 8x because thats as low as nero will let me for some reason), and this time it said "avoided 2 buffer underrun errors"
[02:27] <aubs_> as opposed to one the first time
[02:27] <transgress> jago25_98: it's a cable modem.  ethernet.
[02:27] <wakest> I have a question, whats the difference between kubuntu and ubuntu other then one has kde and one has gnome, is there any other diffs?
[02:27] <bimberi> mzinz: hard to say, there's some tip somewhere about disabling ipv6 in about:config in FF
[02:27] <mzinz> bimberi, k
[02:27] <tobeya> anybody else on dapper having trouble with the nvidia drivers? Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0"
[02:27] <czar> Im having a problem getting the FTP server on my box to work. What packages do I need to install? I installed the `ftp` package. What else do I need?
[02:27] <Snarkfish> I'm actually looking for some sources to compile, just to make sure I have all the common libs necessary for such. I couldn't get StepMania to compile properly... There was apparently a problem in the C++ code.
[02:27] <Snarkfish> adriyel, , it was very strange.
[02:27] <_jason> wakest: that's basically it... of course kubunut has kde apps while gnome has gnome apps by default
[02:28] <fileman> oh crap i think the cpu fan died
[02:28] <gnomefreak> aubs_: i dont use nero :( check the settings for iso image make sure everything is good the only other issue i can thin of is md5 is bad or bad cd :(
[02:28] <fileman> errk...errk
[02:28] <Snarkfish> Well.. You'd BETTER turn your computer off and find out
[02:28] <Snarkfish> :]
[02:28] <_jason> fileman: turn off your computer then
[02:28] <jago25_98> transgress: so it works on windows? On Windows the cable modem gives Windows an IP via dhcp but not linux. what modem is it? plugged straight  into your box or via router?
[02:28] <frazmanw> gnomefreak, when installing using dpkg -i --force-all I get setting up............etc, but errors as that error. Is there a cups file or link etc that needs to be in init.d?
[02:28] <wakest> but if you apt-get kde, is there any difference
[02:28] <grew> can anyone tell me why when i do an apt-get update each source takes forever while saying [Waiting for Headers] ?
[02:28] <Snarkfish> I unplugged my cpu fan on one mobo