[03:38] <jots> i want adobe flash player. but its as though i cant download it.
[03:39] <jots> im new to ubuntu, first night with it.
[03:40] <Astro7467> Are you trying to install from the Software Boutique?
[03:41] <Astro7467> grrrr...gone
[04:44] <motion228> hello
[07:35] <Ntemis> i cant kill caja
[07:35] <Ntemis> killall caja does nothing
[07:35] <alkisg> killall caja
[07:35] <alkisg> killall -9 caja
[07:35] <Ntemis> after i updated ubuntu mate to 1.16 caja freezes all the time
[07:36] <Ntemis> killall -9 caja nothing
[07:36] <alkisg> ps aux|grep caja
[07:36] <alkisg> ps aux | grep caja | nc termbin.com 9999
[07:36] <Ntemis> demetris  1703  1.2  1.0 1543240 82844 ?        That's strange.
[07:38] <Ntemis> if you dont believe me
[07:38] <Ntemis> http://dpaste.com/30711XA
[07:39] <alkisg> Nah don't worry I believe you :)
[07:39] <alkisg> ls -l /proc/3147/fd | nc termbin.com 9999
[07:39] <alkisg> Personally I prefer using mate from the ubuntu repositories, not from PPAs
[07:39] <Ntemis> ls: cannot access '/proc/3147/fd': No such file or directory
[07:40] <alkisg> Sorry, 1703 there
[07:40] <alkisg> ls -l /proc/1703/fd | nc termbin.com 9999
[07:40] <alkisg> So, I still have mate-desktop 1.12 on my xenial box
[07:40] <Ntemis> http://termbin.com/fphk
[07:42] <alkisg> Do you have any files owned by root in your home directory? find ~ ! -uid $(id -u)
[07:43] <Ntemis> http://dpaste.com/12303TK
[07:43] <alkisg> Btw, also try running xkill, and then clicking on the desktop, to kill caja. Warning, don't click on other windows that you might want to keep open...
[07:43] <alkisg> /home/demetris/.cache/dconf/user
[07:43] <alkisg> That should be owned by you
[07:43] <alkisg> It's the gsettings database
[07:43] <alkisg> Run: sudo chown demetris:demetris /home/demetris/.cache/dconf/user, then logout/login again
[07:44] <Ntemis> worked
[07:56] <Ntemis> thank you
[07:56] <alkisg> Na 'sai kala
[11:06] <raspi_> antix
[13:37] <cetcapstone> has anyone here been having trouble with bluetooth?
[13:38] <cetcapstone> im having trouble connecting my blue cat beacon
[13:39] <Astro7467> no -  I have used on a few systems for audio and data without issues since 16.04 release
[13:41] <cetcapstone> im usuing ubuntu on a raspberry pi 3
[13:41] <cetcapstone> and the bluetooth is able to locate the beacon
[13:41] <cetcapstone> but it wont pair succesfully
[13:41] <cetcapstone> i also tried pairing it to my beats headphones and it wouldnt either
[13:42] <Astro7467> don't think I done any Pi Bluetooth
[13:43] <Astro7467> hv you searched the community forums?
[13:43] <cetcapstone> yeah i have i cant seem to find anything just a lot of people with the same error but no solution
[13:46] <Astro7467> quick Google shows docs on raspbian Bluetooth troubleshooting
[13:56] <cetcapstone> @Astro7467
[13:56] <cetcapstone> you never had any issues with bluetooth
[13:56] <cetcapstone> while using ubuntu?
[13:56] <cetcapstone> are you using ubuntu on your personal computer?
[15:32] <cetcapstone> Failed to pair: org.bluez.Error.AuthenticationCanceled
[15:32] <cetcapstone> anyone know how to fix this
[15:52] <luna_> Installing Ubuntu MATE on a Raspi 3 i won yesterday from the SUSE Guys and giving it to mom :)
[16:00] <cetcapstone> anyone know ho to make a device discoverable
[16:16] <cetcapstone> my bluetooth dongle is able to connect to my phone or a beacon
[16:16] <cetcapstone> but only for 5 seconds then it disconnects
[16:16] <cetcapstone> does anyone know what could be the problem
[16:17] <cetcapstone> please and thank you
[16:52] <dna113p> Anyone know how I can change the default terminal to gnome-terminal?
[16:52] <dna113p> It's not listed in preffered applications
[17:01] <Ntemis> alkisg: re file eisai edo?
[17:57] <Bhasha> hi
[18:23] <Mark86> ciao ragazzi
[18:30] <Mark86> Ho una domanda per voi: ho 2 pc con installato ubuntu mate...vorrei metterli in rete. Dove posso reperire del materiale da leggere su questa tematica?
[18:35] <alkisg> !en
[18:35] <alkisg> !it
[18:37] <Mark86> I've a question for you: I have 2 pcs with Ubuntu mate installed in. I'd like to link them. Where can I find something about this issue?
[18:38] <DarkPsydeLord> link em?
[18:39] <Mark86> Yes, I'd like to link them in a network
[18:39] <DarkPsydeLord> o ok create a network between em
[18:40] <Mark86> Great, you got it :)
[18:42] <DarkPsydeLord> well i usually share files between computers using samba or ssh
[18:42] <DarkPsydeLord> lemme check if thats on the wiki
[18:43] <Mark86> samba uh? may I download it from the software boutique?
[18:44] <DarkPsydeLord> i dont recall install it
[18:44] <DarkPsydeLord> must be already installed
[18:45] <DarkPsydeLord> dpkg --get-selections | grep samba   must be useful
[18:45] <Mark86> oooh that's a good point! So...what should I do now?
[18:47] <Mark86> I copied the command inside terminal...and it says everything is installed
[18:47] <Mark86> python-samba					install
[18:47] <Mark86> samba-common					install
[18:47] <Mark86> samba-common-bin				install
[18:47] <Mark86> samba-libs:amd64				install
[18:47] <Mark86> vlc-plugin-samba				install
[18:49] <DarkPsydeLord> if you tried to share something already you just have to navigate to the other computer adress using smb://someipaddress
[18:49] <DarkPsydeLord> and thats pretty much it
[18:51] <Mark86> I must admit, I haven't tried to share yet.
[18:52] <Mark86> let us assume I have to drag and drop items from a pc to the other...which steps should I follow?
[18:55] <DarkPsydeLord> fastest way must be installing caja-share
[18:57] <DarkPsydeLord> sorry im at work at the moment sometimes i kind of take a few mins to answer
[18:59] <Mark86> oh don't worry ;p I found caja-share
[19:00] <DarkPsydeLord> Mark86: ok so fastest and easiest will be installing from the software boutique caja-share which will install the samba options in your menu
[19:01] <DarkPsydeLord> after installing you will have the sharing options available at right click on your folders
[19:01] <Mark86> thank you...just installed :)
[19:02] <DarkPsydeLord> then you just need to decide what to share between yor computers and access the files using the ip address or the browse network option at the quick panel
[19:05] <DarkPsydeLord> ofc you have to do the same on both computers
[19:05] <Mark86> if it's like you're saying...it'll be very simple
[19:05] <DarkPsydeLord> yes it is
[19:05] <Mark86> do I have to manage the connections on both pcs, setting up a static ip?
[19:06] <DarkPsydeLord> ofc you have to be sure you are on the same range network at home but thats pretty much the only thing
[19:08] <Mark86> the 2 are linked at the same router...is it enough in your opinion?
[19:10] <alkisg> The ip won't be static, but the hostnames, e.g. pc1.local and pc2.local, will be static
[19:10] <alkisg> So you can connect with the hostnames, and even bookmark them
[19:10] <Mark86> oooooh that's good!
[19:12] <Mark86> thank you so much guys... now I've gotta go. Many many thanks...keep on helping us like this :)
[19:17] <DarkPsydeLord> just returned... and hes gone lawl
[21:03] <Bray90820> Does mate work on a raspberry pi 1
[21:45] <sixwheeledbeast> I don't think RPi 1 had enough resources to run ubuntu-mate
[21:45] <sixwheeledbeast> Well recommended resources.
[21:46] <DarkPsydeLord> i think rpi can handle mate but im not sure
[23:27] <ubuntu-mate> hi, can someone explain me what are the big difference between ubuntu and mate apart the desktop_ There are other difference_
[23:36] <HoppingMadMan> Still about ubuntu-mate?
[23:36] <ubuntu-mate> hi, can someone explain me what are the big difference between ubuntu and mate apart the desktop There are other difference
[23:37] <ubuntu-mate> all the app that run on ubuntu with unity run an mate?
[23:38] <HoppingMadMan> Yes
[23:38] <ubuntu-mate> thanks, can i make you another little question_
[23:38] <HoppingMadMan> Yeah sure
[23:39] <ubuntu-mate> I have an ssd need to do something or mate is already optimized
[23:40] <HoppingMadMan> Yeah, think so, I am not running a SSD but I do believe that you do
[23:40] <HoppingMadMan> As to what... You got me lost, I know the new ker
[23:40] <HoppingMadMan> kernel supports SSDs a little better in how the file system deals with them
[23:41] <HoppingMadMan> But I could be talking out my ass at the moment, let me check
[23:42] <ubuntu-mate> ok, and the last question I have seen that ubuntu will release 16.04.2 with the new kernel versions and mesa updated, it's the same for mate?
[23:42] <HoppingMadMan> Yes
[23:42] <HoppingMadMan> Don't use have a Swap on your drive
[23:43] <ubuntu-mate> ok,thanks for the tips and for the info. Can I ask you why you have choosed mate?
[23:44] <HoppingMadMan> I loved Gnome 2 back in the day and Mate is a fork of the Gnome 2 desktop in away
[23:44] <ubuntu-mate> I would try it because it's very minimalistic and remember me gnome 2
[23:44] <HoppingMadMan> I find that its simple and I got uses to it
[23:44] <HoppingMadMan> Yeah me to
[23:44] <HoppingMadMan> I Hate hate Gnome 3
[23:45] <HoppingMadMan> And KDE bugged me
[23:45] <ubuntu-mate> have you used for work, It's stable
[23:45] <ubuntu-mate> ?
[23:45] <ubuntu-mate> I don't like KDE
[23:45] <HoppingMadMan> Yeah I use it and the only problem I have is more my tweaks that I make that become unstable
[23:45] <ubuntu-mate> and gnome 3 is too much resource ungry
[23:46] <HoppingMadMan> Yeah I know, and it always broke on me
[23:46] <ubuntu-mate> unity isn't bad but I don't know there is something that don't convince me
[23:47] <HoppingMadMan> It feels half assed
[23:48] <ubuntu-mate> the live of 16.04.1 is base on mate 1.12 it's possible to install 1.16?
[23:48] <HoppingMadMan> And look mate isn't the most beautiful desktop but it works for what I uses it for and really give me a email client, terminal, web browsers and IDE I am good
[23:49] <HoppingMadMan> I am on the LTS and at 1.16.1
[23:49] <ubuntu-mate> yes probably isn't the more beautiful but seems that is very minimalistic and functional
[23:50] <HoppingMadMan> Yeah and it is not like OpenBox where it is too minimalistic
[23:51] <ubuntu-mate> I have seen that in the 1.16 there are more support for gtk3, this means that there are less problem with the app that are written for gnome or is something else?
[23:52] <HoppingMadMan> Yeah more or less
[23:52] <HoppingMadMan> You will still run into problems but it seems more stable
[23:53] <ubuntu-mate> what kind of problems?
[23:53] <HoppingMadMan> I find problems like the odd crash
[23:54] <ubuntu-mate> but probably only in some apps
[23:54] <HoppingMadMan> Yeah like its only been rarely but that could have been my software that I uses
[23:54] <ubuntu-mate> in what apps you have problems?
[23:55] <HoppingMadMan> Serial Console
[23:55] <HoppingMadMan> But that could be also how my system handles the USB to Serial adapter
[23:56] <ubuntu-mate> @HoppinMadMan Thanks for your time and for all your answers.Very helpfull. Thanks again.


[01:58] <hendry> Kamion: i see the problem, the indices aren't being done right by the CD package creation thing
[02:00] <hendry> i ignored the indices in /srv/cdimage.no-name-yet.com because i thought it was to do with local/ which you told me to ignore
[02:01] <hendry> i created the package lists correctly on my mirror. but the CD creation doesn't seem to use those package lists and create new ones.
[02:04] <hendry> ok i think they're supposed to be in
[02:05] <hendry> $CDIMAGE_ROOT/ftp/indices
[02:12] <hendry> oh yes it worked. :)
[02:12] <hendry> now to test in vmware
[02:16] <hendry> oh yes! it seems to be working... muhahaha
[03:07] <Kamion> well done
[03:11] <hendry> Kamion: thanks =)
[03:11] <hendry> it didn't complain of a lack of a Release.gpg
[03:13] <hendry> it didn't seem to add my hannux desktop package
[03:13] <hendry> so i am a little confused by "tasks"
[03:13] <hendry> http://perry.khanworks.com/preseed/hannux.seed
[03:13] <hendry> that's the seed which i got from kubuntu.seed
[03:13] <hendry> there is no kubuntu-standard package
[03:13] <hendry> but there is a kubuntu-desktop
[03:13] <hendry> i want to use ubuntu as a base
[03:14] <hendry> as does kubuntu
[03:14] <hendry> so shouldn't it read ubuntu-standard|kubutu-desktop
[03:15] <hendry> i guess I somehow need to replace Ubuntu's base-files. Or we need to come up with a way of derivatives that can alter the /etc/issue
[03:21] <Kamion> no
[03:21] <Kamion> this is confusing, so it's understandable that you're confused :)
[03:21] <Kamion> you're mixing up tasks (which are constituted from Task: headers in the Packages file) with packages
[03:22] <Kamion> cdimage synthesises Task: headers based on your project name (so in your case hannux-standard, etc.) and makes them match whatever germinate says is in the standard seed
[03:22] <Kamion> when you use ~t in aptitude patterns, e.g. by preseeding pkgsel/install-pattern, you're talking about tasks; there don't have to be packages by the same name
[03:23] <hendry> why have tasks though? can't meta packages solve this problem?
[03:23] <Kamion> so in your case, your preseed file looks fine
[03:23] <Kamion> metapackages are an inferior solution
[03:24] <Kamion> they break down if your archive is not quite perfectly in sync, which happens pretty frequently in my experience of daily image builds
[03:24] <Kamion> they're also not quite as accurate in terms of what you're telling apt to do
[03:25] <Kamion> aptitude remembers what you've explicitly requested be installed
[03:25] <Kamion> if you request that a metapackage be installed, it will try not to remove the metapackage, but won't have any particular reason not to remove anything else
[03:25] <Kamion> if you request that a task be installed, it will try to keep everything in the task
[03:26] <Kamion> at least, that's how it should conceptually work; I'm not sure if the implementation currently matches up to that
[03:26] <hendry> it would be good if apt-cache show kubuntu-standard worked
[03:26] <Kamion> this is when you're asking it to clean up packages that aren't used any more, btw
[03:26] <Kamion> it's intentional that there's no kubuntu-standard package
[03:27] <Kamion> that task only really exists for the benefit of the installer
[03:27] <hendry> i meant, that it would be good to show a task ...
[03:27] <Kamion> oh, well that sort of thing is more likely to happen in aptitude anyway
[03:27] <Kamion> apt-get/apt-cache don't know about tasks
[03:28] <hendry> but aptitude does...
[03:28] <hendry> Kamion: ok, thanks for the explaination
[03:29] <Kamion> aptitude search \~tubuntu-standard
[03:29] <hendry> woo
[03:29] <Kamion> or \~tkubuntu-standard
[03:30] <hendry> yes
[03:31] <hendry> these tasks get applied to the package list by indices?
[03:31] <hendry> perry$ apt-cache show wget | grep Task
[03:31] <hendry> Task: edubuntu-standard, kubuntu-standard, ubuntu-standard
[03:32] <hendry> I think i see a problem
[03:32] <hendry> because I want Hannux to use Ubuntu in the sources.list. I want to use the Ubuntu "wget" package
[03:33] <hendry> since Ubuntu controls the package list, how will hannux-standard make it there?
[03:34] <Kamion> you're looking at a different list.
[03:34] <Kamion> you're looking at the one in archive.ubuntu.com
[03:34] <Kamion> cdimage makes up its own for Packages files on CD images
[03:35] <hendry> but once "hannux" is installed
[03:35] <hendry> it will be using package lists from archive.ubuntu.com and hannux.com
[03:35] <Kamion> well, if you're using the Kubuntu seeds, then you'll have kubuntu-standard installed
[03:35] <hendry> or are you saying, it doesn't matter, because they are only used in the initial install?
[03:35] <Kamion> (the metapackage)
[03:36] <Kamion> if you're not using them directly, but branching them, then you can create a hannux-standard metapackage
[03:36] <Kamion> yes, exactly that, the tasks only really matter in the initial install
[03:36] <hendry> Kamion: ok, that's fine then ...
[03:36] <hendry> what about base-files?
[03:36] <Kamion> what about it?
[03:36] <hendry> how do I get hannux in the issue?
[03:37] <Kamion> hendry: you can branch base-files on hannux.com if you like, and if you're prepared to fix all the packages that care about seeing Ubuntu in lsb-release output and the like
[03:37] <Kamion> if you leave /etc/lsb-release alone you have a better chance of it not breaking everything
[03:37] <hendry> Kamion: ok, point taken
[03:38] <Kamion> changing /etc/issue and /etc/issue.net should be relatively safe from that point of view
[03:38] <hendry> I could hopefully override the archive with my own hannux archive. so it install base-file from my repo, instead of yours.
[03:40] <hendry> in your override.dapper.* indices, there is no mention of tasks
[03:40] <Kamion> that's what I'd expect you to do, yes
[03:40] <hendry> so I guess I need to add Task override
[03:40] <Kamion> let cdimage take care of that
[03:40] <Kamion> it's done dynamically - don't poke at it manually, is my advice
[03:41] <hendry> oh
[03:41] <Kamion> look at cdimage/bin/germinate-to-tasks and whatever it is in debian-cd that handles the other end of that (debian-cd/tools/scanpackages, IIIRC)
[03:41] <Kamion> IIRC
[03:42] <Kamion> if you look at the Packages files in your CD image, it's probably already there
[03:42] <hendry> oh yes
[03:43] <hendry> :)
[03:43] <Kamion> I'm not saying cdimage is perfect, but it has nearly two years of accumulated cleverness ;)
[03:44] <Kamion> the hard bit is the setup ...
[03:45] <hendry> do you edit the germinate seeds for ubuntu often?
[03:45] <Kamion> yes
[03:45] <hendry> because i need to figure out how to merge in changes in bzr
[03:46] <Kamion> bzr merge <location of other archive>
[03:46] <Kamion> fix up any conflicts
[03:46] <Kamion> bzr commit
[03:46] <hendry> do you use bzr to sync up to Debian stuff etc?
[03:46] <Kamion> the seeds are an Ubuntu thing, they don't come from Debian
[03:46] <Kamion> if you mean packages, it depends on the packages
[03:47] <Kamion> the plan is eventually to do that, but we don't have bzr imports of the packages yet (we have baz imports of some, but not all)
[03:47] <hendry> i was wondering if you use some other tools
[03:47] <Kamion> depends
[03:47] <hendry> to compare diffs of debian and ubuntu
[03:47] <Kamion> http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/patches/
[03:48] <Kamion> er, sorry, wrong url
[03:48] <hendry> perry$ bzr merge http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/seeds.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/seeds/dapper/
[03:48] <hendry> bzr: ERROR: Branch <bzrlib.store.revision.text.TextRevisionStore object at 0xb78d33ac> has no revision entries
[03:48] <Kamion> http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/ I think it is
[03:49] <Kamion> no idea, ask on #bzr or something, sounds like either your bzr or your branch or both are busted
[03:49] <Kamion> try pulling down a copy of the seeds.ubuntu.com branch and merging from your local copy of that
[03:49] <hendry> bleh. ok.
[03:49] <hendry> i got a 404 on http://seeds.ubuntu.com/
[03:50] <hendry> i guess you mean your URI
[03:50] <Kamion> you quoted the URL yourself a moment ago, it contains seeds.ubuntu.com
[03:50] <Kamion> I know that seeds.ubuntu.com itself does not exist; it's intended to at some point, but we haven't got round to it
[03:50] <hendry> oh nps
[03:50] <hendry> are the mepis ppl also working with you?
[03:50] <hendry> i couldn't help notice they are doing the same thing as me
[03:51] <Kamion> not me personally
[03:51] <Kamion> but they're doing live CDs, which is a bit different
[03:51] <Kamion> (AIUI)
[03:51] <hendry> AIUI?
[03:51] <Kamion> as I understand it
[03:51] <Kamion> you don't have to set up Packages files on CD images or anything for live CDs; it's much easier
[03:51] <hendry> but they'll have to use expresso right?
[03:52] <Kamion> ("espresso")
[03:52] <Kamion> depends, if they want to
[03:52] <Kamion> they might have their own installer they'd want to use
[03:52] <Kamion> since espresso isn't done yet they might reasonably be steering clear for now
[03:52] <Kamion> we're certainly not making them use anything they don't want to use
[03:52] <hendry> i haven't even thought about live CDs yet. as my boss is keen on the server market, more so that the desktop.
[03:53] <Kamion> right, no particular reason you should
[03:53] <hendry> ok thanks again Kamion
[03:53] <hendry> you're very helpful :)
[03:53] <Kamion> I know some people think live CDs can do everything and should replace install CDs, but I've never subscribed to that view ...
[03:53] <hendry> Kamion: i agree
[03:53] <Kamion> (in fact it irritates me immensely :-))
[03:53] <hendry> :)


[10:03] <cmaloney> morning
[11:02] <hpucks> cmaloney: I'm not interested in being a dev, but I'm curious what company?  We just went through a extensive selection process of EMS vendors.
[11:03] <cmaloney> Sadly they didn't say which company
[11:03] <cmaloney> Was through a contracting firm, and naturally you get to find that out later
[11:04] <cmaloney> http://www.stoutsystems.com/position/2395/
[11:05] <cmaloney> Everything I'm seeing points to that position on Stout Systems, so I'd need to do some more digging
[11:07] <hpucks> Interesting.  I want to say GE has an office out that way too, but I could be wrong.
[11:19] <cmaloney> It's possible
[11:20] <cmaloney> Though whomever it is appears to use Stout for most of their positions
[11:20] <cmaloney> and Google likely thinks I'm interested in a career move to Delphi
[11:52] <rick_h> morning
[11:53] <cmaloney>  How's the day so far?
[12:29] <rick_h> coffee collected and it's friday so looking up
[12:30]  * rick_h hugs his chemex
[12:30] <rick_h> tonight is michael's violin recital so now I need to debate if I bring a tripod and record it or not
[12:48] <shakes808> morning
[12:49] <shakes808> rick_h: i would bring it just in case.
[12:49] <rick_h> shakes808: heh yea just emailed the instructor to get an official word on it
[13:11] <jrwren> I'd welcome a career move to delphi, its a very interesting language, but I feel that is a dead end.
[13:12] <Zimdale> Specialize in Delphi, Coldfusion and Progress
[13:12] <_stink_> Zimdale++
[13:19] <jrwren> progress bought telerik a while back.
[13:58] <shakes808> does anyone want a slot machine?  Looks similar to this: https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR07PM09hRvnixD8ciu1f3q47-E2UgV8rP_iCenjmOvbjRUmzATYQ
[13:58] <shakes808> my neighbor is looking to sell it
[14:09] <cmaloney> shakes808: nice, but sadly not in the markrt for one
[14:49] <shakes808> Anyone want a 20 something foot camping trailer? It would have the option to come with a camp site membership
[14:52] <shakes808> i think the camp grounds are Outdoor Adventures or something.  And that membership can be used throughout the USA


[07:43] <paulcarpenter> Dr_willis, non-free doesn't non gpl either
[07:43] <paulcarpenter> *doesn't mean
[07:43] <Dr_willis> its just a 'name' they used to catagorize things actually :) so ya could put ya porn in there too i guess!
[07:43] <Dr_willis> :)
[07:43] <paulcarpenter> lol
[07:44] <K-Ryan> I don't get it
[07:44] <Dr_willis>  gpl = free I guess.. all else thats not comercial goes in non-free ?
[07:44] <Dr_willis> rest goes ... somewher.. heck i dont know. :)
[07:44] <Dr_willis> i enabled them all anyway
[07:44] <K-Ryan> well if the package says -nonfree, I'm not allowed to download it, right?
[07:44] <Dr_willis> K-Ryan,  Incorrect
[07:44] <paulcarpenter> you can have libre but not GPL
[07:44] <K-Ryan> That's what I wanted to know
[07:44] <LjL> paulcarpenter: rougly speaking, something's defined as "free software" if you can modify the source and redistribute the (modified) source freely, as long as you don't touch the license. that's
[07:44] <paulcarpenter> I know
[07:44] <Dr_willis> its NON-free in the terms of the definition of whats called 'Free'
[07:45] <LjL> *very* roughly speaking (various distributions have different definitions of "free")
[07:45] <K-Ryan> Okay okay
[07:45] <K-Ryan> I don't have to pay anything for it, correct?
[07:45] <Dr_willis> Java was free to download.. but not 'free' untill recently.
[07:45] <LjL> K-Ryan: depends
[07:45] <paulcarpenter> but you can do all that with lisences other than GPL.
[07:45] <K-Ryan> I get the whole "free" thing, what I meant was price not actual freedom
[07:45] <LjL> K-Ryan: some stuff that is in multiverse is non-free in the sense that patent holders expect you to pay a patent fee
[07:45] <LjL> that applies in certain countries, and not in others
[07:46] <K-Ryan> Not as black and white as I'd like it to be is it?
[07:46] <LjL> no
[07:46] <paulcarpenter> it's fairly black and white
[07:46] <LjL> not really
[07:46] <paulcarpenter> but with one other shade
[07:46] <paulcarpenter> so not completely
[07:46] <LjL> how can you tell if a piece of software is "patented enough" to be called non-free? you just can't. it's a decision distributions make
[07:47] <paulcarpenter> usually, the manufacturer will tell you.
[07:47] <LjL> why?
[07:47] <LjL> the manufacturer of *what*, specifically?
[07:48] <LjL> you mean the guy who writes the program? he probably doesn't even *know*
[07:48] <paulcarpenter> he should know what he wants people doing with his software
[07:48] <paulcarpenter> else he wouldn't let it out.
[07:48] <LjL> paulcarpenter: and? it's not in his powers to control other people's patents, or know what they are about
[07:48] <Dr_willis> isent this gettting into the arguments against 'software patents'
[07:49] <LjL> for instance, it's well-known enough that the MP3 format is covered by patents. that's why the Ubuntu distribution doesn't ship it by default. but, what about a ton other formats and programs that *may or may not* be covered by other patents?
[07:49] <Dr_willis> he could write stuff that violates a patent he dosent even know about.
[07:49] <LjL> Ubuntu simply assumes those patents aren't being enforced very actively
[07:49] <LjL> assumption could be wrong
[07:49] <paulcarpenter> true, true.
[07:49] <Dr_willis> actually gif is now free aint it?
[07:49] <LjL> Dr_willis: he "could"? he does.
[07:49] <LjL> happened before, will happen again
[07:49] <LjL> Dr_willis: i think so
[07:50] <LjL> we've got PNG now anyway
[07:50] <Dr_willis> I got to go to work... :) byeeeeeeee
[07:51] <cyber-hazard> hmmm, i hate my office workstation
[07:51] <LjL> paulcarpenter: if i write some open-source software to make flying pigs, i can't really be *expected* to know whether some of my algorithms were patented. i just can't, unless i spend a huge amount of money (and even then, i can't be sure). Ubuntu will just include it anyway, if there's no evidence of it being covered by patents... but if strong evidence later shows up, it's very probable that my software will be taken out and put into multiverse
[07:54] <K-Ryan> LjL you mean to say that if someone patents a line of code, nobody else can use that without their permission?
[07:54] <K-Ryan> Something as simple as a line of code?
[07:54] <K-Ryan> That's like copyrighting the word "the"!
[07:54] <paulcarpenter> no, simpler than that.
[07:54] <paulcarpenter> the algorithm used.
[07:54] <paulcarpenter> so really just an idea.
[07:55] <paulcarpenter> it can't be done by european law.
[07:55] <K-Ryan> Ok, I'll pretend I'm in Europe then if I ever take up coding =)
[07:55] <K-Ryan> !algorithm
[07:55] <LjL> K-Ryan: not at all, you can't patent something as trivial as one line of code. you can patent original ideas for how to do things, roughly speaking
[07:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about algorithm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:56] <LjL> whether the idea is original and conspicuous enough etc is up to 1) the patent office and 2) the judge, later to decide
[07:56] <LjL> (the patent office usually grants just about anything in the US, though i guess not one single line of code perhaps)
[07:56] <K-Ryan> So if someone says "These couple lines of code should work" then they can try to get that patented? Those couple lines of code?
[07:56] <paulcarpenter> not really
[07:56] <LjL> K-Ryan: no
[07:56] <K-Ryan> Alright, I get it then
[07:56] <K-Ryan> Except for one thing
[07:56] <JuJuBee> I am running a tftp server on my laptop.  How do I make it so anthing that gets put into the trtproot folder is owned by me?
[07:56] <K-Ryan> What's an algorithm?
[07:56] <cyber-hazard> however you can contest patents now, even while paying license fees and royalties :)
[07:57] <paulcarpenter> look it up on wikipedia
[07:57] <LjL> K-Ryan: they must say "this couple of lines does something quite useful that nobody has ever thought of, or managed to implement succesfully, before"
[07:57] <paulcarpenter> the specific code is irrelevant
[07:57] <paulcarpenter> it's what the code is doing that can be patented (in the US)
[07:57] <K-Ryan> So if Code A draws a box, the box drawing is an algorithm?
[07:57] <paulcarpenter> urm, kind of.
[07:58] <K-Ryan> lol I'll check wikipedia ;)
[07:58] <paulcarpenter> it'd be more analytical than that.
[07:58] <LjL> K-Ryan: an algorithm is a series of unambiguous instructions that can be carried out by a machine, and that terminate.
[07:58] <LjL> but i'm sure wikipedia will have a better definition.
[07:59] <K-Ryan> Kind of like a "When 1+x=2, execute this command, then when 1+x=2 is no longer true, terminate the command" ?
[07:59] <aseigo> LjL: the "by a machine" part isn't necessary
[07:59] <paulcarpenter> ish
[08:00] <K-Ryan> ish? what have I got wrong?
[08:00] <K-Ryan> Oh I get it
[08:00] <LjL> aseigo: i'm not sure. "if A tastes better than B, then go to line 1" doesn't sound like part of an algorithm to me
[08:00] <K-Ryan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:LampFlowchart.svg
[08:00] <K-Ryan> Like that?
[08:00] <paulcarpenter> but it definately is
[08:00] <tobi> is anyone running photoshop under UNIX ?
[08:01] <LjL> K-Ryan: no, the "terminate" part doesn't refer to that
[08:01] <aseigo> K-Ryan: that could be an algorithm, yes.. as long as it consists of a finite number of well-defined instructions that terminates in a known state ...
[08:01] <binks> LjL noi use the Gimp
[08:01] <aseigo> tobi: disney?
[08:01] <LjL> K-Ryan: i meant that the entire procedure must come to an end (i.e. terminate) sooner or later
[08:01] <paulcarpenter> K-Ryan, yes that is definately an algorithm.
[08:01] <K-Ryan> I get it now
[08:01] <LjL> K-Ryan: an algorithm is a procedure that terminates <- that's the real definition. then look up "procedure" ;)
[08:01] <mineur[afk] > an algorithm doesn't have to end
[08:01] <binks> ooops no i meant tobi i use the Gimp
[08:01] <tobi> k
[08:02] <binks> why do u need photoshop
[08:02] <LjL> mineur[afk] : it most definitely does.
[08:02] <tobi> just because i was working with ps under my "old" windows system ...
[08:02] <LjL> mineur[afk] : "an algorithm is a procedure (a finite set of well-defined instructions) for accomplishing some task which, given an initial state, will terminate in a defined end-state."
[08:02] <binks> tobi check out Picasa
[08:02] <LjL> (wikipedia - but most if not all textbooks will agree)
[08:02] <binks> or Gimp if your a pro
[08:02] <tobi> than Gimp ;-)
[08:02] <tobi> thanks a lot
[08:03] <cyber-hazard> yeah, GIMP rocks
[08:03] <paulcarpenter> binks, you don't need to be a pro to use GIMP, it's fairly easy.
[08:03] <cyber-hazard> paulcarpenter: it is easy, though it also has many advanced features for pros
[08:03] <cyber-hazard> sort of like photoshop :P
[08:03] <paulcarpenter> yeh.
[08:03] <K-Ryan> So, "If a car comes to a stop sign, stop, if there is no stop sign keep going." Yes?
[08:03] <paulcarpenter> Krita is also worth a look in.
[08:04] <paulcarpenter> K-Ryan, no because that doesn't have a clear start state or end state
[08:04] <LjL> K-Ryan: that could be part of an algorithm. but it can be more complicated. for some procedures, we *don't know* whether they'll eventually terminate
[08:04] <K-Ryan> Start state is "You're driving"
[08:04] <K-Ryan> End state is "Keep driving"
[08:04] <cyber-hazard> so fsck can't run on LVMs, can it? or am I just completely inept this morning?
[08:05] <K-Ryan> That or end state could be "Car no longer drives"
[08:05] <K-Ryan> lol
[08:05] <LjL> actually, wheter any given procedure will terminate is an undecidable problem
[08:05] <mineur[afk] > K-Ryan: keep driving isn't a stable end state... end state could be, keep driving until it runs out of gas....
[08:05] <K-Ryan> Well I'm assuming other algorithms would be in place as well
[08:05] <K-Ryan> Mine was a very simplified one
[08:05] <paulcarpenter> afaik it is considered impossible to know for sure if any algorithm will terminate
[08:06] <mineur[afk] > but then we're at the scope of pre and post conditions....
[08:06] <mineur[afk] > if some conditions are fulfilled when the algorithm start, it is guarenteed it will end...
[08:06] <cyber-hazard> anyone know about those LVMs an fsck?
[08:06] <K-Ryan> But the algorithm would keep going until it ends?
[08:06] <paulcarpenter> yes
[08:07] <LjL> K-Ryan: this is an algorithm: 1) fill a cup with water 2) put it on the gas 3) put some salt in it 4) check if the water is boiling 5) if not, go back to 4 6) put pasta in the water 7) turn off the gas after 10 minutes
[08:07] <binks> paulcarpenter i no u dont need to be a pro to use gimp but if your a pro then gimp is the only option in *nix
[08:07] <mineur[afk] > soundness, completeness, all pretty theoretical stuff :)
[08:07] <paulcarpenter> binks, yeh, that works.
[08:07] <K-Ryan> There's something wrong with your algorithm.
[08:08] <LjL> possibly
[08:08] <K-Ryan> What if the pasta doesn't cook in 10 minutes? And what if it cooks in 5 minutes? =P
[08:08] <cyber-hazard> then your algorithm is flawed :P
[08:08] <mineur[afk] > pre-condition: the pasta is cooked in 10 minuts :)
[08:08] <LjL> K-Ryan: you'll get over- or undercooked pasta. it's still an algorithm, but not too good :)
[08:08] <LjL> anyway, a more major flaw is that i never mention turning the gas on
[08:08] <K-Ryan> Yes, but it won't perform as intended.
[08:08] <jatos> hey
[08:08] <LjL> that would make the procedure never terminate - and thus not be strictly an algorithm
[08:09] <LjL> K-Ryan: depends what you "intend". it'll "cook the pasta", so if that was your purpose, it'll do
[08:09] <K-Ryan> I understand, now I'm just teasing you =P
[08:09] <mineur[afk] > it does perform if you bring in the pre-condition that the paste used is pasta that needs exaclty ao minuts of cooking... :)
[08:09] <LjL> if the purpose was "cooking the pasta optimally", then it's not an algorithm for that
[08:09] <LjL> K-Ryan: no - they're perfectly valid objections
[08:09] <jatos> hey would I recover a deleted partition (I asked this yesterday and I was told Gparted could do it, but I can't find how to recover partitions with it)
[08:09] <K-Ryan> So hold on a second.
[08:09] <LjL> !testdisk | jatos
[08:09] <ubotu> testdisk: Partition scanner and disk recovery tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 6.4.1-1 (edgy), package size 459 kB, installed size 1232 kB
[08:10] <cyber-hazard> i think i'm in love with that bot
[08:10] <LjL> jatos: i don't think gparted is the best tool. if you didn't overwrite much of anything, careful use of fdisk would probably be better
[08:10] <eimajenthat> Afternoon all, having a curious issue.  I'm running Edgy Eft, Ubuntu and Kubuntu.  That is, I installed Ubuntu, then came to conclusion that I would prefer a KDE environment, and install Kubuntu-desktop.  However, I browse with Firefox.  Konqueror is nice, even superior in some ways, but I'm used to Firefox.  At any rate, since I had Ubuntu first, Firefox defaults to opening PDFs in Evince, media in Totem, etc.  Now that I'm using
[08:10] <eimajenthat> KDE, I was going to switch Firefox's default application choices, but they seem to have disappeared.  The only file extension I see to reassign is SDL (Shockwave something).  However, when I open media apps, they attempt to open themselves in the gnome apps still.  Anyone seen this before?
[08:10] <LjL> you do have to know what you're doing
[08:11] <LjL> an easy fix is probably uninstalling the gnome counterparts ;)
[08:11] <jatos> mind if I PM you LjL?
[08:11] <LjL> jatos: no, but i'll be out for dinner quite soon, and recovering a partition is no easy task
[08:11] <jatos> I know...
[08:11] <K-Ryan> 1)Put cup of water on gas 2) turn on gas 3)leave water for 5 minutes 4)If water is not boiling go to 3   5)Pour pasta in water  6)Leave pasta for 2 minutes 7)Check pasta to see if it is cooked, if not go to 6   8)Turn off gas
[08:12] <K-Ryan> I improved your algorithm =P
[08:12] <LjL> K-Ryan: better than mine, though depending on what you want, it could still be flawed
[08:12] <K-Ryan> Of course
[08:12] <K-Ryan> It doesn't check the gas supply.
[08:13] <LjL> for example, you might not want to waste time - or the 2-minutes accuracy for cooking might not be adequate. those are all requirements that have to be stated
[08:13] <K-Ryan> So a perfect algorithm would have to check for all...
[08:13] <LjL> that, too
[08:13] <K-Ryan> What's the word I'm looking for
[08:13] <K-Ryan> Anything that would prevent the algorithm from continuing
[08:13] <cyber-hazard> possibilities? realities?
[08:13] <LjL> exceptions?
[08:13] <paulcarpenter> conditions? variables?
[08:13] <K-Ryan> conditions works I guess
[08:13] <cyber-hazard> pigs?
[08:14] <K-Ryan> Ah ha!
[08:14] <K-Ryan> pigs!
[08:14] <cyber-hazard> i knew it
[08:14] <K-Ryan> Much better =)
[08:14] <cyber-hazard> always gotta watch out for those volatile pig algorithms
[08:15] <K-Ryan> So I just learned a big part of coding right?
[08:15] <K-Ryan> Not the actual commands, but the structure?
[08:15] <cyber-hazard> errr
[08:15] <cyber-hazard> sorta
[08:15] <cyber-hazard> your peeked into logical thinking
[08:16] <cyber-hazard> which could be a large part of the "idea" of coding if you learned more specifics
[08:16] <tobi> when i install the GIMP with Adept, is it better to install all plugins as well ?
[08:16] <K-Ryan> tobi depends on what you want to do with it
[08:16] <paulcarpenter> not *all* the plugins.
[08:16] <paulcarpenter> I'd just get them as and when you want to use them.
[08:16] <K-Ryan> cyber-hazard the algorithm thing is kind of like AI right?
[08:17] <K-Ryan> that's what you meant by logical thinking?
[08:17] <tobi> thanks
[08:17] <cyber-hazard> K-Ryan: programming in general is a very simple AI (abstractly, don't jump on me quite yet, programmers :P)
[08:18] <cyber-hazard> programming is telling something mechanical (usually computers, these days) to do something based on a series of conditions. in a sense, it "decides" "on it's own" based on what you told it previously
[08:18] <cyber-hazard> google pseudocode standard
[08:18] <cyber-hazard> has a lot of pseudocode information for you :)
[08:18] <K-Ryan> It isn't really deciding anything, it just does what it is told to do depending on what conditions are met, right?
[08:18] <cyber-hazard> right
[08:19] <K-Ryan> =)
[08:19] <cyber-hazard> but it simulates a decision to the end user, who has no previous knowledge of your involvement with the machine
[08:20] <K-Ryan> That has nothing to do with the algorithm though =P
[08:20] <cyber-hazard> sure it does
[08:20] <K-Ryan> I don't see how
[08:20] <cyber-hazard> just so happens that you wrote something that is more like directions for someone to cook. however a good algorith is complex enough that the object following the algorith can follow it with no intelligent thought on it's own
[08:21] <K-Ryan> Of course
[08:21] <K-Ryan> But if I sat down and wrote out the whole algorithm that would take longer.
[08:21] <cyber-hazard> right
[08:21] <K-Ryan> So I cheated and pretended there were no variables.
[08:22] <K-Ryan> That's the word I was looking for before
[08:22] <cyber-hazard> eh, not really cheating, it was just a simple example :P
[08:22] <cyber-hazard> anyways, long overdue for a smoke break. be back in a few
[08:22] <K-Ryan> But if it were an algorithm that would be cheating because it doesn't take into account all other variables.
[08:22] <K-Ryan> Well it just wouldn't work...
[08:23] <hume> anyone here using a palm that can sync it with kpilot and korganizer in edgy? I have severe problems and have had so for months
[08:26] <fdoving> hume:
[08:26] <jol> Hi, is there a way to install kubuntu in text mode ?
[08:26] <fdoving> hume: there is a bug report with links to working packages. hang on.
[08:26] <K-Ryan> jol, having trouble installing it graphically?
[08:27] <jol> K-Ryan: the problem is that the portable is very slow
[08:27] <jol> low memory etc ...
[08:28] <jol> so I would like to install it in text mode
[08:28] <fdoving> hume: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/66313
[08:28] <K-Ryan> portable?
[08:28] <jol> sorry
[08:28] <jol> laptop
[08:28] <jol> ;)
[08:28] <K-Ryan> Ah
[08:28] <K-Ryan> Are you sure the laptop would be able to run it?
[08:28] <jol> I wish
[08:28] <K-Ryan> Or is it just the whole running from a cd thing
[08:29] <jol> it is because the cdrom is slow, few memory ...
[08:29] <jol> however is it possible ?
[08:29] <K-Ryan> I don't know how but I'm sure there is
[08:29] <K-Ryan> !install
[08:29] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[08:29] <K-Ryan> Try those
[08:29] <n0ne> heyal
[08:29] <n0ne> stupid question, but where is language config? :)
[08:30] <n0ne> i want to change cp-1251 to utf8
[08:30] <K-Ryan> system settings i believe
[08:30] <n0ne> yea thx alot
[08:30] <n0ne> )))))))))))))))))
[08:31] <K-Ryan> Np
[08:31] <n0ne> am i need to reboot to make settings work?
[08:31] <K-Ryan> Probably
[08:31] <n0ne> ok thx
[08:31] <K-Ryan> Your welcome
[08:32] <cyber-hazard> don't need to reboot, just restart your X session
[08:32] <K-Ryan> Ah, welcome back
[08:32] <cyber-hazard> Linux: because rebooting is only for hardware changes :P
[08:32] <K-Ryan> He left already
[08:32] <cyber-hazard> thanks :)
[08:33] <cyber-hazard> yeah, was just notifying you :)
[08:33] <K-Ryan> Thanks
[08:33] <Alarm> hello, how could i make kaffeine work as a tv tuner application ?
[08:33] <Alarm> cant find anything as an option. does any lib or plugin to be installed ?
[08:34] <boss_78> Hello
[08:34] <cyber-hazard> hey there, boss
[08:34] <boss_78> gow are you today?
[08:34] <boss_78> how are you?
[08:34] <cyber-hazard> doing alright, yourself?
[08:35] <boss_78> to
[08:35] <boss_78> too
[08:35] <K-Ryan> so cyber the algorithm format is kind of like "start>if a is satisfied, move to b, if a isn't satisfied move to c>(insert long if lines)>end"
[08:35] <cyber-hazard> K-Ryan: algorithms are more of an idea. can have any form, from a math equation to a program. I think you're thinking of it too literally
[08:36] <K-Ryan> I understand the If stuff is different depending on the algorithms point, but isn't that how they would all work?
[08:36] <cyber-hazard> more or less, yeah
[08:37] <K-Ryan> Okey dokey, now to find me one of those algorithm games...
[08:38] <stamen> hi
[08:38] <cyber-hazard> hey there, stamen
[08:38] <K-Ryan> Hello
[08:38] <stamen> I have problem with my USB connection
[08:38] <K-Ryan> What's on the other end?
[08:38] <stamen> NOKIA GSM with PC
[08:38] <Broxtor> I'm trying to mount an ext3 read/write for a normal user, but somehow I don't seem to succeed. My fstab line is: /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb1 ext3 defaults,auto,rw 0 0
[08:39] <stamen> it was working perfectly with the transfers of data
[08:39] <cyber-hazard> Broxtor: have you tried manually mounting?
[08:40] <Broxtor> cyber-hazard: yes, but only with "sudo mount /dev/hdb1", so it uses fstab then, doesn't it?
[08:40] <stamen> but now when I plug the cable, kubuntu recongnize the memory card as data storage, and when I start to copy my pictures in the
[08:40] <boss_78> join #driver
[08:40] <stamen> box dialog on the speed bar there says Staleed
[08:40] <stamen> stalled
[08:40] <cyber-hazard> Broxtor: sudo mount /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb1 should work manually. however that will disappear at next reboot, which is why you add to fstab.
[08:40] <stamen> and after a while the keybord and the mouse are blocked, and I have to reset the PC
[08:41] <boss_78> #driver
[08:41] <cyber-hazard> let me look closer at the line your provided
[08:41] <stamen> did somebody has the same problem?
[08:41] <stamen> or idea, what is happening???
[08:41] <Broxtor> cyber-hazard: just tried what you proposed. Still read-only to normal user
[08:42] <cyber-hazard> hmmm, think I was missing the point of your post. thought you couldn't get the fstab to mount at all.
[08:42] <boss_78> #savage_driver
[08:42] <tobias_> how do I set up XOrg properly?
[08:42] <Broxtor> cyber-hazard: that does work, but only read-only
[08:42] <cyber-hazard> ah, okay, one sec
[08:43] <tobias_> !XOrg
[08:43] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type "sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart" in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:44] <cyber-hazard> Broxtor: you need to add the group you want to be able to rw to the options part of the fstab
[08:47] <Broxtor> cyber-hazard: should I just list the group name there?
[08:47] <cyber-hazard> that's what my fstab has in it
[08:47] <cyber-hazard> Broxtor: have to admit though, I'm not an expert in the fstab area
[08:48] <ubu_> re
[08:49] <hume_> fdoving, thx
[08:50] <melange> Hmm - for some reason java fails with this error: http://bottiger.com/paste/Jfa1LHztKm1eRzCqBU7a . What does it mean? what do I do?
[08:51] <hume> i have a problem with knetworkmanager and kwallet: the passphrase to my WEP-encrypted wlan seems not to be stored in the wallet.... anyone knows about this?
[08:51] <scifi> is there a graphical FTP client already installed in kubuntu, or is there one i should install ?
[08:52] <melange> scifi: konqueror
[08:52] <cyber-hazard> scifi: when I use graphical ftp (not often) there's a plugin for firefox that's pretty good.
[08:52] <cyber-hazard> scifi: FireFTp is the name of the extension
[08:52] <scifi> melange: really, sweet.........'konq' never ceases to amaze ^^ :)
[08:53] <cyber-hazard> scifi konq does quite a few nifty things :)
[08:53] <scifi> cyber-hazard: thnx for the firefox tip, but for the moment i dont see the point in using anything other than konq :)
[08:54] <paulcarpenter> is it advisable for a someone who knows nothing about computers to risk using installing the Herd 2 CD?
[08:54] <cyber-hazard> paulcarpenter: for someone who knows nothing about computers, I'd recommend OSX
[08:54] <hume> is there any alternative to using knetworkmanager to connect to an encrypted wlan? I do NOT travel between, wlans, this is a sofa laptop....
[08:54] <paulcarpenter> o.k., I know enough that I'm managing the current release of kubuntu
[08:55] <scifi> so do i just basically type the ftp url in the address bar of konqueror ?
[08:55] <cyber-hazard> paulcarpenter: i was just playing :P i personally love playing around with the latest and greatest, but I'd test it on non production box or something
[08:55] <paulcarpenter> I was wondering how significant the chances of the test realese buggering everything up are.
[08:55] <hume> scifi, yes
[08:56] <cyber-hazard> paulcarpenter: best thing I've ever done for my linux experimenting experience was going to find an old P133, picking up some ram for it, and using it as a sandbox sort of environment
[08:56] <paulcarpenter> so best not to try it on the computer that I actually use reguarly then?
[08:57] <cyber-hazard> i wouldn't suggest it
[08:57] <paulcarpenter> o.k, thanks.
[08:57] <cyber-hazard> especially if you're like me and just start messing with config files at random and no regard :P
[08:58] <cyber-hazard> but seriously, go to a local school and see if you can buy one of their machines that they're getting rid of. typically they just donate them or recycle them, so they'll be greatful for the money. and you get a machine that can usually do anything with linux for under $100 :)
[08:59] <jpiccolo> Uptime: 1 hours and 54 minutes
[08:59] <Wikipedia-Gast75> hello lloyd
[09:01] <eimajenthat> how do I make it so that /usr is NOT a hidden file in Konqueror?
[09:01] <DelbertGrady> hello lloyd
[09:08] <hume> I have a problem with kwallet /knetworkmanager - kwallet seem NOT to store password between sessions - anyone recognizes this?
[09:08] <cyber-hazard> i actually had this issue the other day as well. I just resolved not to use kwallet anymore
[09:08] <cyber-hazard> not a big fan of storing passwords anyways
[09:09] <hume> cyber-hazard, well, here its a wep-key, 128 bit, a bit tooo long for my memory...
[09:09] <cyber-hazard> ah
[09:10] <cyber-hazard> hume: haven't checked it in Kubuntu yet, but KDE Control Center used to have a seperate section for wireless networks and you could store the wepkey in one of the network profiles
[09:11] <tobias_> that was annoying
[09:11] <simon__> n
[09:11] <narasim_7> hello..the power management in display seciton of kdecontrol center always reverts back to  a setting of 30 minutes
[09:11] <tobias_> XOrg setup crashed my machine while detecting the screen
[09:11] <cyber-hazard> tobias_: ouch, that sucks
[09:12] <cyber-hazard> narasim_7: for your laptop?
[09:12] <tobias_> now I know why wine wont work
[09:12] <hume> cyber-hazard, ok, seems to be here in kubuntu too, though I never used it, gonna try now
[09:12] <narasim_7> cyber-hazard: no mine is a dekstop
[09:12] <tobias_> it found my integrated laptop screen card tho
[09:12] <narasim_7> cyber-hazard: i am using dapper drake now..
[09:12] <FastFrenzy> adios wrong chan
[09:12] <tobias_> only didnt find my screen
[09:13] <tobias_> I can set it up manually?
[09:13] <cyber-hazard> hume: lemme know if that works. still haven't looked around too much in the Kubuntu control center. seems to be different though
[09:13] <tobias_> !XOrg
[09:13] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type "sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart" in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[09:13] <cyber-hazard> narasim_7: no idea then, sorry. never really looked around power management on anything but laptops
[09:13] <narasim_7> is there such a problem in edgy?
[09:14] <narasim_7> its ok.. can u check that if u have edgy?
[09:14] <cyber-hazard> narasim_7: i am currently using edgy, yeah
[09:14] <narasim_7> cyber-hazard: do u have such a problem..?
[09:14] <drarem> if i run an apache2 server on my installation along with mysql - would it and my intranet of windoze boxes behind the firewall be secure?  how paranoid do i need to be?
[09:15] <fxr> hi can does the linux kernel headers be installed by default in kubuntu & xubuntu.. where can i find this info out?
[09:15] <cyber-hazard> narasim_7: i don't currently have any problems relating to pwoer management with my laptop
[09:15] <narasim_7> cyber-hazard: great...that should do :)
[09:15] <narasim_7> cyber-hazard: thanks a tonne
[09:15] <cyber-hazard> narasim_7: np :)
[09:16] <hatta> fxr, dpkg --get-selections | grep headers
[09:16] <hatta> will tell you whether it's installed or not
[09:16] <agnostic> someone can  help with Grub error 22
[09:17] <drarem> can i disable the touchpad on my laptop without messing anything else up?  I'm using an external mouse
[09:18] <cyber-hazard> agnostic: dual boot system?
[09:18] <narasim_7> agnostic: looks like you modified some partition in either windows or linux
[09:18] <jontec> *kid voice* how come we don't have the newer versions of apache? we only have 2.0.55?
[09:18] <agnostic> yes, winme :( and kubuntu 5.10
[09:19] <fxr> ok thanks hatta, but i wanna do a fresh install and the how-to (install a wireless nic) requires me to have the linux headers installed .. ll have no internet connection til i get the nic working... so i wanna make sure them headers are installed with my CD
[09:19] <cyber-hazard> agnostic: step 1> replace winme with something else
[09:19] <drarem> jontec - I'm guessing cause it's at a stable release?
[09:19] <cyber-hazard> anything else
[09:19] <agnostic> i have added a second HDD
[09:19] <gkjones> is there a site that lists additional repositories for Adept manager please
[09:20] <jontec> drarem: but according to apache 2.3 something is a stable release?
[09:20] <dope> if i have a pen drive is there some sort of program i can put on it that'll store passwords and enter them automatically
[09:20] <dope> maybe i'm asking for too much
[09:20] <cyber-hazard> dope: I think kwallet does something close to that, not experienced with kwallet though
[09:21] <daleg> hi all,  is thare any command-line torrent client supporting data encryptio?
[09:21] <dope> yea exactly like that only with a pen drive so i can wonder to differen tcomputers
[09:21] <cyber-hazard> dope: I meant, I'm pretty sure that they have a function to store it on a pen drive
[09:21] <jontec> drarem: sorry, not 2.3.* 2.2.3?
[09:21] <dope> oh
[09:21] <drarem> Have you done sudo apt-get update?  I really couldn't tell you, still learning this too.
[09:22] <dope> that would be great too
[09:22] <eimajenthat> gkjones: here's some to start you off
[09:22] <cyber-hazard> jontec: just because there is a stable release from the manufacturer doesn't mean it's been completely tested for a distro. Debian/ubuntu is really careful with adding stuff to their repo's to make sure that they're stable and won't break things
[09:22] <eimajenthat> gkjones: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_add_extra_repositories
[09:23] <cyber-hazard> jontec: can try unmasking the universe and multiverse repos to see if they're in there
[09:23] <jontec> cyber-hazard: :D how? I only know how to add them to the lists in adept?
[09:24] <Zigmund> ciao a tutti
[09:24] <cyber-hazard> jontec: lemme try and remember real quick. new to kubuntu
[09:24] <jontec> cyber-hazard: okay. :D
[09:24] <eimajenthat> gkjones: http://3v1n0.tuxfamily.org/blog/lista-repository-sourceslist-ottimizzata-per-ubuntu-kubuntu-linux/
[09:24] <cyber-hazard> jontec: /etc/apt/sources.list is the file you're looking for
[09:25] <marco_> hi
[09:25] <cyber-hazard> jontec: uncomment the repos. there's instructions in the comments for you in that file
[09:25] <cyber-hazard> hey, marco_
[09:25] <jontec> cyber-hazard: okay, if you know how to do it that way, that's okay with me
[09:25] <gkjones> magic
[09:25] <BluesKaj> !it  | Zigmund
[09:25] <ubotu> Zigmund: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[09:25] <agnostic> if i reinstall Grub, error 22 will disappear?
[09:25] <eimajenthat> How come when I go to / in Konqueror, all I see is "media" and "home"?
[09:26] <cyber-hazard> agnostic: it doesn't sound like a grub install error, more a config error. means it can't find a partition you specified
[09:26] <cyber-hazard> eimajenthat: because the ubuntu developers decided that everything else is generally too dangerous for the average user to access normally
[09:27] <cyber-hazard> eimajenthat: you can show hidden directories, or you can access the directories through command line
[09:27] <jontec> cyber-hazard: :D all of my repos are uncommented. O_o
[09:27] <agnostic> so must edit Grub conf file?
[09:27] <cyber-hazard> agnostic: yes, I would
[09:27] <Slackwise> eimajenthat: If you're curious, go read the file /.hidden
[09:27] <Slackwise> Same file and concept used in MacOS X :P
[09:29] <Slackwise> eimajenthat: If you want to see those files, just select "View" --> "Show Hidden Files" in Konqueror
[09:29] <DelbertGrady> hello lloyd
[09:30] <eimajenthat> cyber-hazard: that seems kinda goofy to me
[09:30] <DelbertGrady> hello lloyd
[09:30] <cyber-hazard> eimajenthat: eh, i didn't notice for the first few days cause I don't usually use the GUI filebrowser :P
[09:30] <andreasw> how can I make a pdf document from two .tif files really fast?
[09:31] <cyber-hazard> eimajenthat: but yeah, threw me off as well
[09:31] <agnostic> if i reinstall Grub, it do not configure properly by itself?
[09:31] <DelbertGrady> hello lloyd
[09:32] <cyber-hazard> agnostic: sec
[09:32] <tobias_> how do I find the refresh rate for my monitor? packard bells homepage wont tell me anything, and the list in the kubuntu help file had all the companies listed, except packard bell, am I wrong to assume that packard bell doesnt want anyone to know the refresh rate of my easynote m5 256?
[09:32] <cyber-hazard> agnostic: edit /boot/grub/grub.conf
[09:33] <tobias_> does this mean anything at all :"LCD 15.1" TFT XGA"?
[09:33] <cyber-hazard> agnostic: see if the pointers to the partitions look correct. if they don't, fix them
[09:33] <eimajenthat> cyber-hazard: has it been like that since edgy was released?
[09:33] <cyber-hazard> tobias_: sorry, it's been a while since I've dealt with that. lemme see if I can dig something up real quick
[09:33] <tobias_> thanks cyber :)
[09:33] <cyber-hazard> eimajenthat: it's been like that the last few days since I've started using kubuntu :)
[09:34] <cyber-hazard> tobias_: check the /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:34] <DelbertGrady> cyber-hazard sucks
[09:35] <cyber-hazard> tobias_: there's some comments to help a bit, or google for a sample on, maybe
[09:35] <eimajenthat> cyber-hazard: I guess it doesn't make that much difference normally.   Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato or DBO
[09:37] <fowlduck> thanks
[09:38] <fdoving> you're welcome.
[09:38] <cyber-hazard> ick, Javausers :P
[09:38] <cyber-hazard> thanks, fdoving
[09:39] <borie> do u have a link for filesharing behind a NAT on Kubuntu ???
[09:40] <borie> sharing folders 192.168.1.x's PC i mean...
[09:40] <fowlduck> borie: you ought to look into your router's NAT and port-forwarding functionality
[09:40] <borie> between computers  on my local network !  (sorry)
[09:40] <fowlduck> oh
[09:40] <fowlduck> i dunno
[09:40] <borie> k
[09:40] <fowlduck> srry
[09:41] <cyber-hazard> borie: all *nix computers? or mixed?
[09:41] <trappist> fowlduck: you're going to need to forward a range of ports, depending on the file sharing protocol (samba, nfs, etc.)
[09:41] <borie> cyber-hazard> right now all are on kubuntu ( but some are with dual boot (XP) )
[09:42] <fowlduck> trappist: yes, i was just giving general help
[09:42] <cyber-hazard> borie: would probably do it via nfs mounting
[09:43] <borie> cyber-hazard>care i dont
[09:43] <trappist> fowlduck: sorry, I meant to say that to borie :)
[09:43] <elyon> What is the app called that lets me change startup programs?
[09:43] <fowlduck> trappist: np :)
[09:44] <borie> trappist> wich one ??
[09:47] <agnostic> were can be found "grub.conf"  file in ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy)?
[09:48] <cyber-hazard> agnostic: try /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:48] <cyber-hazard> agnostic: looks like a grub.conf, don't see an actual grub.conf on my machine though
[09:51] <elyon> What is the app called that lets me change startup programs?
[09:57] <agnostic> a good manual for editing "menu.lst"  please
[09:58] <trappist> agnostic: it's very well documented inside itself
[09:58] <cyber-hazard> agnostic: yeah, the comments inside the file are very helpful
[09:58] <vikal> poprosze do ubuntu .pl
[09:58] <vikal> ubuntu.pl
[09:58] <hume> cyber-hazard, seems to be working well..:)
[09:59] <cyber-hazard> hume: excellent. glad it worked out for you :)
[09:59] <hume> cyber-hazard, thx for the advice..:)
[09:59] <cyber-hazard> hume: anytime. glad I can help :)
[09:59] <vikal> #ubuntu.pl
[10:00] <vikal> dzieki
[10:01] <apokryphos> elyon: this is done through kcontrol
[10:01] <apokryphos> or Kubuntu's system settings
[10:01] <apokryphos> (in the menu)
[10:02] <cyber-hazard> apokryphos: thanks for pointing that out. I've been scouring the internet looking :P
[10:03] <apokryphos> almost all of KDE's standard settings are handled through there, yeah :)
[10:03] <cyber-hazard> apokryphos: yeah, just never used a distro that was so integrated with KDE before
[10:04] <apokryphos> integration is goood, yup 8)
[10:04] <agnostic> so, at final,  to edit menu.lst according to "sudo fdisk -l"  ?
[10:07] <xenophile7x7> hey, im not sure if this is offtopic or not, but im tryin to compare gnome and kde to decide which *buntu version to stay with. can anyone offer some suggestions or feedback?
[10:07] <cyber-hazard> agnostic: no, that actually only lists your partitions so that you know how to edit the menu.lst
[10:07] <cyber-hazard> xenophile7x7: since this is the kubuntu room, most people will prolly say KDE :)
[10:08] <xenophile7x7> lol, yeah i figured
[10:08] <koriel> xenophile7x7: that's true
[10:08] <cyber-hazard> xenophile7x7: I'd recommend finding a livecd that has both on it, and play around, see which one you like
[10:08] <xenophile7x7> just hopin to get some pro's and con's
[10:08] <agnostic> yes, that i was trying to say :)
[10:08] <elyon> I'm having a problem here (and have been for weeks).  My entire system locks up nearly every time a user logs off.  Black screen, only a mouse cursor showing.  Ctrl-Alt-F1, etc. do nothing.  I have a Radeon 9600 and am runny Kubuntu Edgy.
[10:08] <cyber-hazard> xenophile7x7: example: Pros: KDE pwns. Cons: there is none, cause it pwns
[10:08] <elyon> xenophile7x7: Do you have Ubuntu installed already?
[10:08] <xenophile7x7> rofl, well that settles it i guess
[10:09] <xenophile7x7> yes. ive been bouncing between them for a few horus now, comparing
[10:09] <elyon> xenophile7x7: You can run both KDE and gnome on the same machine and select which one you want when you login.
[10:10] <elyon> xenophile7x7: If you don't like gnome, simply logout (not restart), and select KDE.  Quick and easy way to compare and still have access to all your programs and files.
[10:10] <cyber-hazard> xenophile7x7: in the end, it really comes down to which you feel is more comfortable and which looks better to you. they can both run eachothers programs, and both accomplish pretty much the same functions
[10:10] <cyber-hazard> xenophile7x7: and both give you access to the terminal, which is the only important part anyways :P
[10:11] <xenophile7x7> true enough
[10:11] <elyon> cyber-hazard: Try telling my mother that.  She just wants to play solitaire ;)
[10:11] <DeadFishMan> elyon: Did you ever see an error message referring to ksmserver?
[10:11] <xenophile7x7> theres parts of both that i like and dislike.
[10:11] <cyber-hazard> elyon: in that case, definitely KDE. KPatience is the best solitare program ever! :P
[10:11] <elyon> DeadFishMan: There haven't been any error messages.  But I have the same problem with gnome.
[10:11] <elyon> cyber-hazard: I'm playing KP right now, actually ;)
[10:12] <cyber-hazard> elyon: haha, awesome
[10:12] <xenophile7x7> but im still new to linux, so i figured id get some other opinions.
[10:12] <elyon> cyber-hazard: Just wish it hand a few sounds for the card animations
[10:12] <elyon> xenophile7x7: You know how to have both KDE and gnome at the same time?
[10:12] <cyber-hazard> elyon: yeah, I usually listen to my iPod, so i don't care that much
[10:12] <xenophile7x7> yeah
[10:12] <DeadFishMan> elyon: I see... I started to have something similar, however this is a known bug on kubuns KDE
[10:12] <DeadFishMan> elyon: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/67889
[10:13] <elyon> xenophile7x7: Alright.  I've found that gnome is a really easy way to transition from Windows, while for me KDE seems a bit quicker and more polished-looking.
[10:13] <xenophile7x7> do you guys knwo of any messengers, like kopete and gaim, that support vid/voice?
[10:13] <DeadFishMan> i am waiting for the patch to make into the repositories for kubuntu dapper
[10:13] <xenophile7x7> kde seems to have alot more packaged with it
[10:13] <cyber-hazard> xenophile7x7: kopete supports vid, not sure about voice. i usually use skype for voice though
[10:14] <elyon> DeadFishMan: I'm not positive if the problems were present before installing KDE (since I did that pretty much right away).  Would that bug affect gnome sessions as well?
[10:14] <xenophile7x7> gnome has some neat tools, like the system monitor. havent found anything like that in KDE yet
[10:14] <DeadFishMan> cyber-hazard: Skype for the KDE oriented person, Gizmo Project for the rest :P
[10:14] <elyon> xenophile7x7: You can run gnome's system monitor in KDE too ;)
[10:14] <cyber-hazard> DeadFishMan: we're in a KDE oriented channel :P
[10:14] <DeadFishMan> elyonI am not convinced that this is the same bug as it appears to be in Kubuntu s KDE implementation only and only shows up when one upgrades to KDE 3.5.5
[10:14] <xenophile7x7> can it be installed in kde, without installing gnome?
[10:15] <jatos> hey
[10:15] <xenophile7x7> and can ekiga be used with skype?
[10:15] <elyon> xenophile7x7: That I'm not sure about.  I'm pretty sure that you would need to install at least the gnome-base system (similar to requiring kde-base for KDE programs in Gnome)
[10:15] <DeadFishMan> xenophile7x7: You can pretty much install anything on any desktop as long as the dependencies are installed with it
[10:15] <cyber-hazard> xenophile7x7: which apt-get takes care of for the most part
[10:16] <DeadFishMan> xenophile7x7: which is, of course, a moot point on a Debina-derived distro :)
[10:16] <DeadFishMan> *Debian
[10:16] <xenophile7x7> ok.
[10:16] <elyon> DeadFishMan: Yeah, I tried Mandriva and SUSE a while ago, but didn't like it nearly as much :)
[10:16] <xenophile7x7> lol, im sure there are similar apps i could find to do the same thign anyway
[10:16] <cyber-hazard> i love how kubuntu makes such a big deal everytime i run something as root. it's so cute how excited it gets. pop up warning, flashing box in the panel
[10:17] <lupine_85> hehe
[10:17] <elyon> xenophile7x7: There isn't much out there that anyone wants to do that hasn't already been coded :)
[10:17] <DeadFishMan> cyber-hazard: LOL
[10:17] <xenophile7x7> yeah, ive started to notice that
[10:17] <xenophile7x7> i should have switched to linux a long time ago
[10:17] <lupine_85> xenophile7x7, elyon: can you write a decoder/encoder for SMV videos? *flutter flutter*
[10:17] <tobi> !divx
[10:17] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:17] <lupine_85> ;)
[10:17] <cyber-hazard> i come from a slackware and then gentoo background, so root isn't a huge deal to me.
[10:18] <elyon> xenophile7x7: I'm a gamer... pretty tentative about installing my games with Wine.
[10:18] <Shyne> im confused - which dvd/cd do i need for intel 64bit ? i386 or amd64
[10:18] <elyon> cyber-hazard: Ahh... I'm a child of Microsoft (adopted now, of course)
[10:18] <cyber-hazard> elyon: wine rocks. though I've found crossover office actually does a bette job for me
[10:18] <DeadFishMan> cyber-hazard: I also used to use hardcore distros, but even so, I do not like to logon as root unless really needed
[10:18] <elyon> cyber-hazard: Crossover isn't free, is it?
[10:18] <xenophile7x7> same here.  ive actually been thinkin that it may jus tbe easier to duel boot, or use vmware.  wine seems pretty touchy
[10:18] <cyber-hazard> elyon: wel yeah, I was MS before slack, and still use it occasionally
[10:19] <cyber-hazard> DeadFishMan: never log in as root, but when I run something as root, I'm not used to the fanfare
[10:19] <jatos> hey
[10:19] <elyon> cyber-hazard: I never paid for Windows.  Finally started feeling bad about it, so I went OSS ;)
[10:19] <DeadFishMan> cyber-hazard: Still getting used to the whole sudo thing, though. I am not sure if I like it.
[10:19] <cyber-hazard> think I'm gonna right a script that shoots up fireworks everytime I type SU or sudo
[10:19] <cyber-hazard> DeadFishMan: i like the sudo thing, but not used to the "only sudo" thing
[10:19] <DeadFishMan> ROTFL
[10:20] <elyon> cyber-hazard: For good measure, add a crowd shouting "YAY!"
[10:20] <xenophile7x7> have to pull the clip from monty python
[10:20] <cyber-hazard> elyon: yeah, crossover is $40 fore the real version. but for the linux community, I'm willing to pay a little extra
[10:20] <xenophile7x7> when they eat the minstrels
[10:20] <cyber-hazard> $40 is nothing for the ability to not have to run windows at all :P
[10:20] <magical_trevsky> hi, does anyone know how (or whether it's possible) to make the application icons in my kde taskbar autohide themselves, since I have lots of applications with taskbar icons, and they fill up a lot of space!
[10:20] <elyon> cyber-hazard: What about Cedega?
[10:20] <jatos> I just recovered part recovered a partition using testdisk (after I accidently deleted my partition table...) and there two unrecovered partitons, anyone know how to recover the other 4 partitions that I have?
[10:20] <DeadFishMan> Well... Gotta go now
[10:20] <cyber-hazard> elyon: haven't looked at Cedega too much. all I know is crossover has tested WoW extensively
[10:20] <jatos> that I have unrecovered tgat is...
[10:21] <DeadFishMan> See you later guys!
[10:21] <cyber-hazard> DeadFishMan: later, man
[10:21] <elyon> magical_trevsky: Right click on the system tray handle, and choose Configure System Tray
[10:21] <xenophile7x7> elyon: ever looked at rappelz? basically WoW but free
[10:21] <magical_trevsky> elyon, thanks :)
[10:21] <elyon> xenophile7x7: I'm not a WoW fan.
[10:21] <cyber-hazard> okay, time for some more coffee and maybe a cigarette
[10:21] <elyon> xenophile7x7: I'm more of an FPS player.
[10:21] <cyber-hazard> be back in a few
[10:22] <xenophile7x7> i just dont like it because i refuse to pay monthly for a game
[10:22] <xenophile7x7> but i bounce around between fps, rts, and rappelz is my only mmo
[10:22] <Shyne> wow is well worth the money if u play it at all often
[10:22] <xenophile7x7> not to me
[10:23] <elyon> Shyne: I don't want any part of a game where the players have a *real* wedding in-game.
[10:23] <Shyne> 8.99 is 3 pints here and the wow subs lasts a lot longer
[10:23] <Shyne> and u dont have to be in the wedding
[10:23] <Shyne> just walk on by :P
[10:23] <root____> hi
[10:23] <elyon> Shyne: I'd end up trying to kill the bride, actually.
[10:24] <Shyne> id sign a petition for same race pvp for that purpose
[10:24] <xenophile7x7> 'buy my paperweight. now continue to pay me almost its full price every month, for my permissin to use it as somethign other than a paperweight'
[10:24] <xenophile7x7> its a bit too MS'ish for me
[10:24] <elyon> xenophile7x7: Amen.
[10:24] <Shyne> wtf
[10:24] <Shyne> that makes no sense
[10:24] <elyon> xenophile7x7: Of course, if you want quality games, you have to go for Windows... sad, huh?
[10:25] <xenophile7x7> yeah, thats a big part of why it too me so long to switch
[10:25] <elyon> You know, I think I'm going to attempt installing CoD2 with Wine
[10:25] <xenophile7x7> then vista hit, and pushed me over the edge
[10:25] <xenophile7x7> is wine easy to work with? ive heard it can be really touchy on games
[10:26] <elyon> xenophile7x7: No clue... haven't tried it with many games lol
[10:26] <elyon> xenophile7x7: I know its easy to use, though... install and forget it :)
[10:26] <xenophile7x7> i might try it out then.  hopefully it will work with some of the less-commercial software i use, like rappelz
[10:27] <elyon> xenophile7x7: My absolute FAVORITE waste-of-time Windows game is impossible to play in Linux... because to login and launch the executable, you need ActiveX... grr.
[10:27] <xenophile7x7> whats that?
[10:28] <elyon> xenophile7x7: GolfKing (golf.ijji.com)
[10:28] <xenophile7x7> never played it. im not a big golf fan
[10:29] <xenophile7x7> screw it, ive already started with KDE, so im just goign to stick toit
[10:29] <elyon> xenophile7x7: Its one of those multiplayer, play4free games (same publisher as WarRock)
[10:29] <xenophile7x7> ahh, ok
[10:31] <elyon> Okay... wish me luck on my CoD Wine install ;)... seems to be fine, but I haven't tried running it yet lol
[10:31] <xenophile7x7> good luck!
[10:32] <elyon> AHH!    I can't even eject the first disc...
[10:33] <elyon> Can someone help me here?  I can't eject my CD (either by pressing the open button, OR selecting 'Eject' in KDE)!
[10:34] <spitwise> got a paperclip?
[10:34] <dvayanu> hi. i know this is extremely dumb question but where can i find out what kernel options in boot command actually mean
[10:34] <dvayanu> like quiet
[10:34] <spitwise> did you try typing eject in konsole?
[10:34] <elyon> spitwise: I could do that, but it seems like it may still be spinning.
[10:34] <xenophile7x7> reboot
[10:34] <xenophile7x7> or at least log out
[10:35] <elyon> spitwise: Yeah... it gives the all-helpful "eject: unmount of `/media/cdrom0' failed" error.
[10:35] <elyon> Seems a lot like the Windows "Fatal Error" message lol
[10:35] <spitwise> ya perhaps a reboot is in order.
[10:35] <elyon> spitwise: I'm in the middle of an installation from that CD... lol its asking for disc 2
[10:38] <xenophile7x7> alright guys, im gonna reformat. ill be back in a few. thanks for everyones help!
[10:38] <spitwise> elyon: read the umount man page
[10:38] <cyber-hazard> on the way back in i got cornered :( turns out someone in the office had a birthday =\
[10:38] <pip`> hahaha
[10:40] <twosouls82> hello there :)
[10:40] <pip`> ello
[10:40] <elyon> twosouls82: Hello to you, sir.
[10:40] <pip`> mate
[10:42] <cyber-hazard> hehe
[10:45] <elyon> okay... so with Wine at least, I can't install ANYTHING that is more than one CD
[10:45] <twosouls82> elyon, you can make an iso of the cds and then force a remount I guess
[10:45] <pip`> wow now thats wat i call 'hamstrung'
[10:46] <pip`> uhh.. so i guess ..  Wine sux from the gettgo
[10:47] <twosouls82> no, that is not what I said
[10:47] <elyon> Well, I guess I'm just being overly optimistic as it is... trying to play windows games.
[10:48] <cyber-hazard> elyon: always cedega or crossover :P
[10:48] <elyon> Does K3B rip ISOs?
[10:48] <twosouls82> elyon: dd does and cp does too, google "linux iso from cd"
[10:51] <twosouls82> :\
[10:52] <phux> so nabernd
[10:55] <pip`> lala
[10:55] <elyon> hehe, there's no progress display for dd?
[10:56] <pip`> isnt dd a backup program?
[10:56] <elyon> pip`: I have no idea... but I'm using it to rip a CD to iso ;)
[10:57] <cyber-hazard> yeah, but also works for generating an iso
[10:57] <pip`> oh really
[10:57] <cyber-hazard> pip`: tar is also just a program designed to use with tapes :P
[10:57] <pip`> sumone told me dd was too hard for noobs to try
[10:57] <pip`> noobs like mee
[10:58] <Alarm> hello, when i open konsole it runs with the user alarm. how could i run konsole as a different user ?
[10:58] <elyon> pip`: I'm as green as they get and it wasn't hard for me ;)
[10:58] <cyber-hazard> Alarm: konsole will run as whatever user you are logged on as
[10:58] <pip`> ohh really?
[10:59] <Alarm> cyber-hazard,  and what happens if i want to run as a new user that i created ? in that case mythtv
[10:59] <elyon> pip`: Nevermind... it gave me yet another extremely vague error.  I give up.
[10:59] <pip`> elyon, well yer prolly a smart noob, ima dumb noob
[10:59] <pip`> haha oops sorry
[10:59] <cyber-hazard> Alarm: you can su <user>
[10:59] <elyon> lol you spoke too soon.
[10:59] <Alarm> ok, thanks
[11:00] <cyber-hazard> Alarm: np :)
[11:00] <pip`> *huggies*
[11:00] <phux> anyone lost settings in beryl?
[11:01] <omicron_> hi there. which package do i need to install to get the kde header files?
[11:05] <jatos> anyone know a Linux tool for looking at hard disk in Hex?
[11:07] <phux> anyone got an awnser?
[11:07] <kkosmo> phux
[11:07] <kkosmo> you lost setting
[11:07] <kkosmo> in beryl
[11:07] <kkosmo> ?
[11:07] <phux> oh
[11:07] <phux> thx
[11:07] <phux> nt really
[11:07] <phux> beryl running
[11:07] <kkosmo> ok
[11:07] <kkosmo> and you lost settings
[11:07] <phux> but settings r unchanged every time
[11:08] <kkosmo> ooo ok
[11:08] <phux> i wanna change em
[11:08] <phux> had it but beryl crashed so i had to remove them
[11:09] <kkosmo> why it crashed
[11:09] <kkosmo> you have low computer
[11:09] <phux> don't know
[11:09] <phux> ;)
[11:09] <phux> not really
[11:10] <phux> will be enough
[11:10] <kkosmo> what you
[11:10] <kkosmo> tell me the info about your computer
[11:11] <phux> nv 6600gt, 2000+amd 512mb
[11:11] <kkosmo> and it crashed
[11:11] <tobi> [GdK-Warning **: gdk_window_set_back_pixmap]  All my windows in "gxine" and "gimp" are black. any idea?
[11:11] <kkosmo> i have nv 440mx
[11:11] <Wepwawet> hi... back to x86  from 64bit
[11:11] <kkosmo> 256 mb ram
[11:12] <kkosmo> and 2400 intel
[11:12] <phux> so u run beryl?
[11:12] <kkosmo> yes
[11:12] <phux> np?
[11:12] <kkosmo> no
[11:12] <phux> don't think of hw probs
[11:12] <kkosmo> not super fast
[11:12] <kkosmo> yes
[11:12] <kkosmo> but is work good
[11:12] <yelonek> hi, i have a bit silly question
[11:12] <kkosmo> ask
[11:12] <yelonek> i'm sharing a directory with kpf
[11:13] <cyber-hazard> tobi: that seems way over my head, man. sorry :(
[11:13] <yelonek> it says it's http server
[11:13] <phux> it must have been the child in me playin with beryl settings
[11:13] <phux> 2 quick
[11:13] <yelonek> how do i connect to this server ?
[11:13] <yelonek> http://localhost/ ?
[11:13] <yelonek> it's listening on 8001
[11:13] <kkosmo> try http://yourip
[11:13] <kkosmo> or localhost
[11:13] <tobi> cyber-hazard: way over your head, that means you have no idea ?
[11:13] <cyber-hazard> yelonek: probably. but if it's a httpd you might need to start the process
[11:13] <yelonek> so that's http://localhost/:8001 ?
[11:13] <cyber-hazard> tobi: yeah, sorry
[11:14] <tobi> hmmm...
[11:14] <tobi> damn
[11:14] <kkosmo> yes
[11:14] <cyber-hazard> yelonek: would be http://localhost:8001
[11:14] <cyber-hazard> yelonek: no slash after localhost
[11:14] <elyon> Is there a GUI program that will rip CDs to ISOs?
[11:14] <cyber-hazard> elyon: i don't know for linux
[11:15] <yelonek> cyber-hazard: thanks, I knew i was doing sth wrong, but didn't know what :)
[11:15] <phux> kkosm: can change beryl as much as u like?
[11:15] <cyber-hazard> yelonek: np :)
[11:15] <kkosmo> sure
[11:15] <phux> f....
[11:15] <kkosmo> what f...
[11:16] <phux> don't know the prob of my comp
[11:16] <phux> running without any setting it is fast but furrious
[11:16] <kkosmo> its weak
[11:16] <kkosmo> without the setting
[11:16] <kkosmo> its not fun
[11:16] <phux> jop
[11:17] <phux> thats what i meant
[11:17] <phux> i just saw the  teeth of the monster but now i just dream of it
[11:17] <lupine_85> elyon: doesn't dd cut it for you?
[11:18] <kkosmo> man i am not to expert in linux but you can try install your graphic card driver maybe its help
[11:18] <kkosmo> too
[11:18] <elyon> lupine_85: Gave me a very vague error...
[11:18] <kkosmo> *
[11:18] <phux> so i did twice
[11:18] <kkosmo> you already install your graphic card driver
[11:18] <kkosmo> ?
[11:18] <elyon> "I/O error" lol that's about it.
[11:19] <phux> y
[11:19] <phux> lol
[11:19] <lupine_85> mm, is it an audio cd?
[11:19] <phux> some conf won't be taken
[11:20] <phux> but thx so far
[11:20] <kkosmo> phux ok man i dont know what to tell you but now i go to learn i have tomorow a test in  biology so i go bye
[11:21] <phux> jop cu thy
[11:21] <yelonek> cyber-hazard: what package do i need to set up smb server ?
[11:22] <yelonek> I found smb4k and linneighbourhood
[11:22] <cyber-hazard> yelonek: not entirely sure. don't know how ubuntu organizes it's package manager yet (new to kubuntu)
[11:23] <killerbee> hello. I am having problems using fglrx (ati display drivers). They seem to run in failsafe kde but when I run regular kde they lock up
[11:23] <killerbee> any ideea what is a stable version of the drivers or what is causing this?
[11:23] <yelonek> all I'm finding is smb browsers
[11:23] <yelonek> I can't find anything to make a server
[11:23] <tobi> cyber-hazard: maybe i found a solution for my "black-window-problem" but i have to reinstall gtk. in fact i'm a perfect newbie, is it riskfull to deinstall gtk ?
[11:24] <cyber-hazard> yelonek: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=samba+server+howto&btnG=Search <- try that
[11:24] <fkrieghoff> Hello. :)
[11:24] <phux> oh..
[11:24] <cyber-hazard> tobi: my viewpoint is that no software change is ever irreversable. however my viewpoint has caused me a lot of work in the past. so it's really your decision
[11:25] <cyber-hazard> tobi: however, gtk isn't that big of a deal to uninstall and reinstall. just make sure you follow whatever solution you have to a T
[11:26] <tobi> cyber-hazard: we will see... whatever, thanks a lot
[11:26] <cyber-hazard> tobi: no problem. good luck :)
[11:27] <yelonek> thx cyber-hazard, it's not that urgent
[11:27] <cyber-hazard> yelonek: okay. well, goodluck on it when you decide to tackle it
[11:28] <sleepy495> If Install a new video card do I have to install the same drivers I had before or no need since they are already installed
[11:28] <fkrieghoff> I can't select my microphone as the capturing device...There's no button or something to select a capturing at kmix...Could somebody help me out? :)
[11:28] <cyber-hazard> sleepy495: call me a gentoo user, but I'd recompile the drivers for optimisations anyways :)
[11:29] <katabatic> anybody got an idea why on my wired connection it won't get an IP automatically at boot, when I have network-manager installed? if I remove network-manager, it works fine
[11:34] <K-Ryan> Hey everybody
[11:35] <Kyral> ICMP ECHO
[11:36] <fkrieghoff> Hi K-Ryan..
[11:36] <K-Ryan> Hello =)
[11:37] <fkrieghoff> Sorry...I'm just busy, googling about my little microphone-problem..
[11:37] <K-Ryan> What's the problem?
[11:38] <fkrieghoff> Got some probs with activating full-duplex on my audigy sound card.
[11:39] <K-Ryan> No idea what full-duplex is, I figured you had some kind of recognization issue. Sorry I can't really help you on that one =P
[11:45] <K-Ryan> !commonlisp
[11:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about commonlisp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:45] <K-Ryan> !common lisp
[11:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about common lisp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:46] <K-Ryan> Hrmm, anyone know what Common Lisp is?
[11:46] <cyber-hazard> !common-lithp
[11:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about common-lithp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:46] <spitwise> hahahahaha
[11:46] <K-Ryan> lol...
[11:46] <Kr4t05> Ok, I have libxine-extracodecs and the latest amarok installed, and, it worked fine only two days ago, but all the sudden, amarok is now complaining about no MP3 support and when I press the button to install it, it hangs.
[11:46] <K-Ryan> No, I see a big section of programs for it in Adept Manager
[11:46] <katabatic> !lisp
[11:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lisp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:47] <K-Ryan> Kr4t05 I get the same thing every once in a while, try a different station
[11:47] <Kr4t05> K-Ryan: Station? I'm playing local files.
[11:47] <K-Ryan> Oh, thought you were off streaming radio
[11:47] <K-Ryan> That's what I use Amarok for and my friends do to so sorry.
[11:48] <K-Ryan> I haven't tried opening mp3s in Amarok but I do know that XMMS works with them.
[11:52] <forceflow_> hey, anyone interested in handing out kubuntu disks outside best buys, circuit city stores, etc, on the day of windows vista release?
[11:52] <K-Ryan> =D
[11:52] <K-Ryan> I would SO do that
[11:52] <forceflow_> exactly!
[11:52] <forceflow_> im trying to get as many people as i can to do it
[11:52] <dwidmann> give me the disks and I'd think about doing it in Charlottesville
[11:52] <forceflow_> maybe get some news coverage
[11:52] <forceflow_> i think it would be a party
[11:52] <jamrs> in regards to vista, has everyone seen this: http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt
[11:53] <tek__> dlaczego ni nie moge zapisac na HDD
[11:53] <K-Ryan> uhh, i see "test"
[11:53] <K-Ryan> That's it
[11:53] <jamrs> wow
[11:53] <jamrs> it was just there an hour ago
[11:53] <jamrs> hold on
[11:54] <jamrs> http://antbeeb.members.beeb.net/vista_cost.html
[11:54] <jamrs> try that
[11:55] <MaxDamage``> hey all
[11:55] <MaxDamage``> (yes, im here again to ask noob questions :P)
[11:55] <K-Ryan> Wow, just reading the section titles
[11:55] <K-Ryan> I can't believe it
[11:55] <MaxDamage``> uh, adept keeps saying that there's another packaging program running and it cant work :/
[11:55] <MaxDamage``> whats up with that?
[11:55] <dwidmann> speaking of vista cost, jamrs, are they any solid numbers on the up front $ Microshaft intend to ask for it?
[11:55] <K-Ryan> MaxDamage`` did you terminate Adept?
[11:56] <forceflow_> yeah so 6.06 is available free: maybe we order a good number of those and hand them out:P
[11:56] <K-Ryan> Like, was it not responding a while ago and you terminated it?
[11:56] <forceflow_> i dont know, it's an idea:) anyone who wants to show up, bring your laptop to show off if you want
[11:56] <MaxDamage``> terminate it.. as in shut it down?
[11:56] <dwidmann> !adeptfix
[11:56] <ubotu> If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[11:56] <K-Ryan> Terminate it as in a little box came up where you could click "Terminate"
[11:56] <MaxDamage``> thanks dwidmann and ubotu :p
[11:57] <K-Ryan> ubotu is a bot
[11:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is a bot - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:57] <MaxDamage``> i know
[11:57] <K-Ryan> Just making sure
[11:57] <MaxDamage``> but machines need love too :p
[11:57] <K-Ryan> =P
[11:57] <cyber-hazard> haha
[11:57] <cyber-hazard> !machine-love
[11:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about machine-love - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:57] <MaxDamage``> hahahaha
[11:57] <cyber-hazard> evidently they don't
[11:57] <K-Ryan> !love
[11:57] <ubotu> Love is like racing across the frozen tundra on a snowmobile which flips over, trapping you underneath. At night, the ice-weasels come.
[11:57] <cyber-hazard> hahahahahhaa
[11:57] <K-Ryan> You were saying?
[11:57] <MaxDamage``> uh yeah
[11:57] <K-Ryan> lmao
[11:57] <MaxDamage``> your right
[11:57] <cyber-hazard> fair enough
[11:57] <dwidmann> ... ubotu must be crazy o.O
[11:58] <K-Ryan> ... in love
[11:58] <K-Ryan> =)
[11:58] <dwidmann> but we still love him/her/it
[11:58] <cyber-hazard> wish I would have talked to ubotu before falling for my ex. would have saved a lot of problems :P
[11:58] <MaxDamage``> well i luv him anyway
[11:58] <MaxDamage``> he helped me many times when i typed stuff with ! for help
[11:59] <MaxDamage``> it worked
[11:59] <MaxDamage``> thanks :)
[11:59] <forceflow_> so yeah
[11:59] <forceflow_> anyone interested at all?
[11:59] <K-Ryan> Np
[11:59] <K-Ryan> forceflow_ I'd do it, when's Vista coming out?
[11:59] <forceflow_> jan 30th
[11:59] <MaxDamage``> *cough* vista?
[11:59] <K-Ryan> I wouldn't get the cds in time =(
[12:00] <forceflow_> handing out kubuntu cds on the release date
[12:00] <Zamber> !DVI
[12:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about DVI - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:00] <forceflow_> im thinking about making them CDs on the spot using my laptop
[12:00] <dwidmann> forceflow, I wonder what it would take to get them to sell the disks on the shelf alongside M$? hmmm, offer them the disks for free perhaps, and tell them they can sell them for $5 each ... they could make good money that way.
[12:00] <dwidmann> Free money
[12:00] <Kr4t05> Does anyone else have a suggestion for my Amarok problem?
[12:00] <MaxDamage``> Kr4t05: what's the problem?
[12:00] <forceflow_> yeah, they really could, the only problem is getting the disks out:P
[12:00] <K-Ryan> dwidmann Having them sell Kubuntu would completely defeat the purpose of FSF
[12:01] <K-Ryan> And the Linux way
[12:01] <dwidmann> Kr4t05: No idea, except perhaps dpkg --purge 'ing amarok, and reinstalling, and seeing if it takes
[12:01] <MaxDamage``> hey
[12:01] <MaxDamage``> sell is a strong word
[12:01] <yuriy> K-Ryan: nothing wrong with selling gpl software
[12:01] <MaxDamage``> and it's not that expensive
[12:01] <MaxDamage``> compared to unix or windows
[12:01] <K-Ryan> I'm not saying it's not allowed, I'm saying it's wrong.
[12:01] <MaxDamage``> well yeah :/
[12:01] <Kr4t05> MaxDamage``: I have libxine-extracodecs and the latest amarak installed, yet it still complains about MP3 support. It worked yesterday, though.
[12:01] <MaxDamage``> but .. i saw it coming too
[12:01] <Kr4t05> amarok*
[12:01] <MaxDamage``> oh i had the same problem
[12:02] <MaxDamage``> and ran an update with adept
[12:02] <cyber-hazard> K-Ryan: a lot of people sell cd's of products. a lot of people want the comfort of having a cd, which most distro's don't provide. the minimal fee ($5) is usually to cover cost of media and handling
[12:02] <MaxDamage``> it all worked fine :)
[12:02] <dwidmann> When I say thety can sell them for $5, I'd rather they be there and get given out for free ... but giving them incentive to do so could go a long way.
[12:02] <forceflow_> my goal though is to offer it for free, so that people realize theyre paying money when they could get something better for free:P
[12:02] <yuriy> nah people like to pay for packaging (as in a nice box), i don't see the problem with making a buck off that
[12:02] <K-Ryan> cyber-hazard We're talking about Kubuntu cds though
[12:02] <forceflow_> packaging can add that touch though
[12:02] <cyber-hazard> K-Ryan: it doesn't matter. any linux can be sold for a few bucks. the world doesn't spin for free
[12:03] <forceflow_> well, technically, the world does spin for free
[12:03] <dwidmann> I wonder what they would do if I put a pile of them on the shelf next to "the other OS"
[12:03] <K-Ryan> No but they could order the CD for free
[12:03] <forceflow_> at least ive never payed that fee:P
[12:03] <cyber-hazard> K-Ryan: as long as they aren't selling it for $50 like Fry's is for Slackware =\
[12:03] <K-Ryan> Instead of paying
[12:03] <MaxDamage``> cyber-hazard: nicely said :)
[12:03] <yuriy> You didn't pay the spin the earth fee? OH NOOOO
[12:03] <MaxDamage``> oh my god
[12:03] <MaxDamage``> he didnt?!
[12:03] <cyber-hazard> haven't you guys seen the satellite photos of the "insert 25 cents here) machine?
[12:04] <dwidmann> Oh noes, the earth might stop spinning now :O
[12:04] <cyber-hazard> the world is like a giant bed found in the rent by the hour hotels
[12:04] <MaxDamage``> now we're all gonna blast to the east with a speed between 850 and 990 km/h
[12:04] <yuriy> i bet if you put a pile of kubuntu ship-it cd's in a store next to other software, if somebody actually looked they would ask "how much?"
[12:05] <sleepy495> Question, if I upgrade my video card will I see a noticible difference in kubuntu, like speed, beryl graphics, etc? I'm upgrading from nvidia 5900 to nvidia 7800
[12:05] <K-Ryan> Of course
[12:05] <Kr4t05> sleepy495: Indeed.
[12:05] <dwidmann> I still really wonder what they would do if I put said pile of cds on the shelf.  I wonder what their take on it would be.
[12:05] <cyber-hazard> yuriy: of course they would. so make a couple bucks for your trouble, and distribute linux around the world :P
[12:05] <K-Ryan> (talking to yuriy)
[12:05] <MaxDamage``> sleepy495: yes :p
[12:05] <yuriy> sleepy495: do you notice beryl being slow now?
[12:05] <sleepy495> ok, thanks :)
[12:05] <Kr4t05> That's like trading in an '86 Chevelle for an '06 Corvette.
[12:05] <MaxDamage``> yeah
[12:05] <sleepy495> yeah its a little slow, but alot more apps are slow too
[12:05] <Kr4t05> You will notice it.
[12:06] <MaxDamage``> but nothing can beat the '69 charger ;)
[12:06] <cyber-hazard> dwidmann: if it's a small enough store prolly just put them out, just like they do AOL cd's, or fliers for clubs
[12:06] <yuriy> sleepy495: i don't think you'd notice a difference unless you're playing games. that applies to any OS upgrading from a 5900 (except maybe vista)
[12:06] <dwidmann> Small store? No
[12:06] <dwidmann> I'm talking about a larger store
[12:06] <rEvolution27> how do i get amarok to play mp3s?
[12:06] <yuriy> !mp3
[12:06] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:06] <Kr4t05> That's something for Canonical's promotion department to consider.
[12:07] <forceflow_> automatix2 might help:P
[12:07] <Kr4t05> Places like Walmart and Target would be great.
[12:07] <dwidmann> I was thinking BestBuy
[12:07] <sleepy495> Can I just install my new card and start working or I have to re-install the drivers again?
[12:07] <forceflow_> that's where im going to be camping
[12:07] <yuriy> rEvolution27: basically, you need to install the libxine-extracodecs package
[12:07] <Kr4t05> The retail version sould come with a small sheet detailing what you would need to install as far as codecs and drivers.
[12:07] <forceflow_> best buy
[12:07] <dwidmann> sleepy495, should go seemlessly
[12:07] <forceflow_> until they probably kick me out for losing them business:P
[12:07] <Kr4t05> Although, that may be taken care of in Feisty.
[12:08] <dwidmann> I've switched from a 6600gt, to a 7600gt, to a 7900gtx without any driver issues
[12:08] <MaxDamage``> you know.. if im not sick tomorrow im gona make several copies and give em to my friends lol
[12:08] <sleepy495> cool
[12:08] <cyber-hazard> my amarok asked, when I plugged in my iPod, if I wanted to install the mp3 codecs automatically
[12:08] <cyber-hazard> i said yes, it installed, and asked em to restart amarok
[12:08] <cyber-hazard> problem solved
[12:08] <cyber-hazard> maybe I'm just special :P
[12:08] <forceflow_> yeah, in the past week ive converted 3 friends to kubuntu:) all because i gave them free install disks to try
[12:09] <Kr4t05> I'm going to keep a CD rack in the back of my car full of K/X/Ubuntu CDs and other GNU stuff. When someone complains about Vista being over-inflated with spyware, I'll toss one at their head.
[12:09] <forceflow_> they all loved it
[12:09] <dwidmann> I'll be a mailing out a few disks tomorrow :)
[12:09] <MaxDamage``> lol
[12:09] <MaxDamage``> nice
[12:09] <yuriy> forceflow_: nice!
[12:09] <forceflow_> :)
[12:09] <MaxDamage``> i think im gonna give some to the local software shop too
[12:09] <forceflow_> thank you, thank you
[12:09] <|Daisuke_Ido|> forceflow_: it's amazing what an easy-to-use distro can achieve
[12:09] <MaxDamage``> here in my country
[12:09] <MaxDamage``> if its cheap - people get it
[12:09] <Kr4t05> My future business will give the option of Ubuntu and Windows XP/Vista
[12:09] <forceflow_> it really is
[12:10] <MaxDamage``> and i have 25 - 30 cd's laying around doing nothing...
[12:10] <Kr4t05> With options for Dual-Boot
[12:10] <MaxDamage``> im gonna linux the hood
[12:10] <MaxDamage``> :D
[12:10] <dwidmann> I've got a dozen dvds left to waste, as well as a spindle of cds :)
[12:10] <Kr4t05> Shipit has offcially expired?
[12:11] <dwidmann> has it?
[12:11] <Kr4t05> I thought it was supposed to be for LTS versions only, as of Dapper.
[12:12] <dwidmann> Kr4t05: that's what I thought too
[12:12] <pip`> me too
[12:12] <K-Ryan> Shipit is no more?
[12:13] <pip`> wats shipit
[12:13] <forceflow_> wait, shipit died???
[12:13] <K-Ryan> Shipit is where you order your Ubuntu cds
[12:14] <K-Ryan> Hey, when is the next LTS release?
[12:14] <Kr4t05> K-Ryan: Feisty+1
[12:14] <pip`> wat happend 2 shipit
[12:14] <K-Ryan> Ah so it isn't too far away
[12:14] <K-Ryan> Just getting used to Dapper too...
[12:14] <Kr4t05> 7.10?