[07:38] <DaNewB> randabis, but can he run the 32-bit drivers on his 64-bit Ubuntu?
[07:38] <Ileden> I was thinking about /home/storage
[07:38] <randabis> DaNewB no clue
[07:39] <randabis> lleden... /home/username is only accessable by that username unless they allow their home to be shared
[07:39] <Ileden> or even /storage or /data/storage... but I'm afraid that probably isn't a good convention.
[07:39] <DaNewB> Ileden, I would put it in /mnt/something
[07:39] <Ileden> hmm, maybe /media/storage
[07:39] <no0tic> Ileden: yes, it's good
[07:39] <Ileden> (as I hear /media is the new /mnt)
[07:39] <DaNewB> Ileden, like /mnt/storage
[07:39] <randabis> yeah I have a mount point for my 80 gig drive in /media/storage
[07:40] <DaNewB> Ileden, really? it's going to be /media from now on?
[07:40] <randabis> yeah /media is the new standard I though
[07:40] <Ileden> someone told me this yesterday :(
[07:40] <randabis> mnt is just there because
[07:40] <Ileden> (oops, meant to have a :), not :( )
[07:40] <randabis> I tend to still use mnt for temporary mounts and network shares though
[07:41] <sladen> DaNewB: do you have an AMD64 system?  or a x86 system ?
[07:41] <Ileden> yeah, they don't feel really like "media", so "mount" sounds like a good place for them.
[07:42] <jazzka> hi!
[07:42] <idea00> hi can anyone help me with pptp on ubunto. I am able to set up a pptp connection to my ISP using CHAP, ppp0 is up and I receive and setup DNS for the connection but as soon as I stablish a default gw to the ppp0 local IP pppd starts sending hundreds of packets and nothing seems to come in from the tunnel. After about 1G of outgoing packets my ISP disconnects me. The connection works fine under WinXP and Fedora Core 3 is there a patch I-
[07:42] <idea00>  need to apply to the kernel/pppd/pptp?
[07:42] <DaNewB> sladen, me, x86, but I was asking for froust, he has 64 bit
[07:43] <froust> i'm amd64
[07:43] <jazzka> I try to burn an iso file, but nautilus tells me that is not a right iso file, what can I do?
[07:43] <randabis> wish my theme manager would work :(
[07:44] <randabis> 2.9.4 broke it or something else in the dist-upgrade
[07:44] <DaNewB> jazzka, is there an .md5 file? check the integrity of the .iso
[07:44] <jazzka> DaNewB, there's no md5 file :(
[07:44] <HappyFool> you could always try mounting it via loopback
[07:45] <randabis> <3 loopback
[07:45] <froust> explain?
[07:45] <HappyFool> i think the command will be 'sudo mount -o loop filename.iso mountdir'
[07:45] <DaNewB> jazzka, what kind of ISO is that? did you make it yourself?
[07:46] <froust> yay!! >> http://www.rage3d.com/board/showpost.php?p=1333407704&postcount=158
[07:46] <notdenizen> "cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status" tells me AGP is disabled. Does anyone know what i need compiled into my kernel in order to enable it ? CONFIG_AGP and CONFIG_AGP_AMD64 are both "y" in my config
[07:46] <DaNewB> jazzka, or try what HappyFool says. That way, you can access the contents of the ISO without even having to burn it to CD!
[07:46] <jazzka> DaNewB, I downloaded it with mldonkey; it's an old game
[07:47] <HappyFool> well, the idea is to test the image using the mount
[07:47] <jazzka> ook
[07:48] <HappyFool> hrm. "mount: could not find any device /dev/loop#"
[07:48] <rob0> This page: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/package-list says everything in Debian is in Ubuntu. I enabled (un|mult)iverse and it's not so. What am I missing?
[07:48] <jazzka> mount: could not find any device /dev/loop#
[07:48] <jazzka> ??
[07:48] <DaNewB> HappyFool, loopback has to be compiled in kernel
[07:48] <mgedmin> jazzka, modprobe loop
[07:48] <rob0> HappyFool, try sudo modprobe -v loop
[07:48] <HappyFool> ah-ha
[07:48] <randabis> loop is compiled in the ubuntu kernels by default
[07:49] <HappyFool> jazzka: you got that?
[07:49] <randabis> just isn't loaded automaticall
[07:49] <randabis> y
[07:49] <jazzka> yeah
[07:49] <randabis> err
[07:49] <randabis> it's actually a module
[07:49] <randabis> not in the kernel
[07:49] <jazzka> now, I need say mount the filesystem type
[07:49] <HappyFool> that's a bad sign. it autodetected here
[07:50] <rob0> randabis, isn't KMOD enabled in ubuntu kernels?
[07:50] <HappyFool> try   sudo mount -t iso9660 -o loop  filename.iso mountpnt
[07:50] <rob0> with KMOD all that should be automatic
[07:50] <mgedmin> rob0, udev
[07:51] <zAo^> anyone who got SonicStage to work in Ubuntu??
[07:51] <rob0> I'll look
[07:51] <mgedmin> kmod loads loop.ko when a program accesses /dev/loop, but with udev there is no /dev/loop until loop.ko is loaded
[07:51] <HappyFool> heh
[07:51] <mgedmin> just echo loop >> /etc/modules
[07:51] <jazzka> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0,
[07:51] <jazzka>        or too many mounted file systems
[07:51] <jazzka>        (could this be the IDE device where you in fact use
[07:51] <jazzka>        ide-scsi so that sr0 or sda or so is needed?)
[07:51] <jazzka> :(((
[07:52] <jazzka> I wrote exactly what you said
[07:52] <HappyFool> it seems likely that your iso image is bad
[07:52] <notdenizen> is CONFIG_DRM required for the Nvidia drivers to support AGP ?
[07:52] <HappyFool> or at least, that it isn't an iso
[07:53] <DaNewB> jazzka, try mounting a different ISO to see if it isnt loopback...
[07:53] <rob0> oops no /proc/config.gz
[07:53] <notdenizen> hehe
[07:53] <Ileden> So... when ubuntu asks for a "full name for the new user", does it mean I do get to decide a shorter username later?
[07:53] <DaNewB> jazzka, but Nautilus was probably right in the 1st place
[07:53] <notdenizen> rob0, does your /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status report AGP as enabled ?
[07:53] <jazzka> well I've a nero image...
[07:54] <jazzka> could I burn it on linux?
[07:54] <rob0> notdenizen, I don't have nvidia!
[07:54] <HappyFool> jazzka: well, you could try the same mount command to see if it at least works for a known, good iso
[07:55] <zAo^> Ileden, yes it will
[07:55] <Ileden> thanks. :)
[07:55] <notdenizen> ahh k.. hrmm
[07:55] <jazzka> yeah, nautilus was right
[07:56] <notdenizen> jazzka, or try it with -o ro .. dunno if its a problem with Ubuntu but my old debian system would refuse to mount an image at all if you tried to mount it rw when all it could manage was ro
[07:57] <DaNewB> Nautilus is the Great Wizard!
[07:58] <zido> is there any way to take a screenshot in Linux?
[07:58] <HappyFool> doesn't gimp have a screenshot taker?
[07:58] <DaNewB> zido, Computer --> Take Screenshot
[07:58] <randabis> yes
[07:59] <HappyFool> ah. interesting that it rates a menu item, but neat ;)
[07:59] <zido> ok
[07:59] <zido> aah
[07:59] <zido> thx
[07:59] <randabis> lol
[08:04] <IRCsloth> which driver in XF86config-4 is the accelorated nvidia driver, nv or nvidia ?
[08:05] <Klon> accelerated ?
[08:05] <IRCsloth> well, the one that nvidia provides, that does GL etc
[08:05] <tritium> IRCsloth, nvidia is the one that nVidia provides.
[08:05] <Klon> nv ships with XFree/xorg nvidia is a binary provided by nvidia (better 3d support)
[08:05] <IRCsloth> ok
[08:05] <IRCsloth> tx
[08:05] <tritium> nv is from XFree86
[08:06] <tritium> Anybody else presenting at or attending the Electronic Imaging conference in San Jose next week?
[08:06] <IRCsloth> my XF86config-4 file had nv listed but I am getting the nvidia logo on gnome startup and 3d apps are working, hence the confusion
[08:07] <im_ka> what can i do with a .cue file?
[08:07] <DaNewB> im_ka, you also need the .bin file
[08:07] <im_ka> DaNewB, i have it too
[08:07] <Klon> im_ka: should be a bin of the same name along with it
[08:07] <IRCsloth> thanks again
[08:07] <Klon> np
[08:08] <im_ka> Klon, i have everything, i just don't know how to use it :X
[08:08] <Klon> if in windows mount in daemon tools :P
[08:08] <DaNewB> im_ka, cd-burning software will use the .cue file to get some info on the .bin file
[08:08] <im_ka> DaNewB, nautilus cd burner?
[08:08] <DaNewB> im_ka, yes (if it handles .bin/cue files, im not sure)
[08:08] <im_ka> i hope so. let's see
[08:09] <randabis> otherwise there's k3b and xcdroast
[08:09] <IRCsloth> restarting X, bbl
[08:09] <im_ka> buehhhhh k3b.
[08:09] <im_ka> no k
[08:09] <randabis> no  k?
[08:10] <Klon> I think he means kde
[08:10] <DaNewB> he obviously has something against kde
[08:10] <im_ka> The bchunk package contains a UNIX/C rewrite of the BinChunker program.
[08:10] <im_ka> BinChunker converts a CD image in a .bin/.cue format (sometimes .raw/.cue)
[08:10] <im_ka> into a set of .iso and .cdr/.wav tracks.  The .bin/.cue format is used by some
[08:10] <im_ka> non-UNIX CD-writing software, but is not supported on most other CD-writing
[08:10] <im_ka> programs.
[08:10] <randabis> you don't need kde to use k3b
[08:10] <froust> is there a way i can embed a terminal into my desktop?
[08:10] <randabis> term is the closest thing
[08:10] <randabis> eterm I mean
[08:10] <froust> which is?
[08:11] <randabis> enlightenment terminal
[08:11] <randabis> supports transparencies
[08:11] <IRCsloth> :-) worked
[08:11] <froust> ah
[08:11] <randabis> you can also remove the side bars and everything from it
[08:11] <DaNewB> froust, right-click on Panel --> Add Panel --> Command-Line
[08:12] <randabis> yeah, but I think he means having a term on the wallpaper
[08:12] <DaNewB> actually the mini command-line sucks. you cant even get output!?
[08:13] <froust> dataw0lf: i mean like embedded on your background
[08:13] <dataw0lf> ?
[08:13] <randabis> yeah
[08:13] <dataw0lf> ah, tab completion problem, I see.
[08:14] <froust> yes :P
[08:14] <randabis> eterm is the closest thing you can get
[08:14] <randabis> unless there's another term I'm not aware of
[08:14] <dataw0lf> Isn't there a gdesklet that supports that?
[08:14] <froust> ?
[08:14] <randabis> possibly
[08:14] <Klon> rxvt does it with an appropriate patch
[08:14] <randabis> I'll install gdesklets now and check
[08:14] <dataw0lf> embedding a term in your background, I mean.
[08:15] <dataw0lf> sorry to jump into the conversation.
[08:15] <froust> that's what i was thinking
[08:15] <randabis> np
[08:15] <DaNewB> can you embeb a terminal in your Panel that gives you stdout output??
[08:16] <DaNewB> I mean for example "man apt-get" would give me something
[08:16] <DaNewB> nvm it has no usefullness
[08:18] <Ileden> ok... so the software download is suddenly stuck...
[08:18] <Ileden> (that would be the software download in the installation process)
[08:19] <james> I'm having a really weird problem with the ipw2200 drivers
[08:19] <james> they've worked ever since I installed hoary
[08:19] <Ileden> any ideas what I could try to do to revive it?
[08:19] <james> I just upgraded hoary, and now all of a sudden, the firmware isn't loading, and whilst ipw2200 modprobes, it isn't working at *all* :(
[08:20] <james> but the odd thing, the kernel wasn't updated in the upgrade; nothing should have touched the ipw2200 or the drivers :/
[08:20] <dataw0lf> james: what does iwconfig look like?
[08:21] <james> dataw0lf, no interface. Like I said, the module loads, but the firmware isn't loading, and it doesn't work.
[08:21] <dataw0lf> james: you've tried unloading and reloading it?
[08:21] <james> dataw0lf, yes, that would be the first thing I did ;)
[08:21] <james> ipw2200: ipw2200_boot.fw load failed
[08:21] <james> ipw2200: Unable to load firmware: 0xFFFFFFFE
[08:21] <james> ipw2200: failed to register network device
[08:21] <james> ipw2200: probe of 0000:02:03.0 failed with error -5
[08:22] <dataw0lf> Nice.
[08:22] <james> Very.
[08:22] <dataw0lf> I guess that's what you get for installing an unstable branch.
[08:22] <james> silence, you :p
[08:23] <dataw0lf> Anything I need I just backport myself.
[08:23] <dataw0lf> which isn't much.
[08:25] <IRCsloth> Hoary's been good to me so far
[08:25] <james> likewise, IRCsloth
[08:26] <james> until my wireless card stopped working.
[08:26] <randabis> I don't see any terminal gdesklets
[08:27] <randabis> *strokes hoary, slaps theme manager for not working*
[08:28] <tritium> randabis, in what way is your theme manager not working?
[08:28] <james> randabis, theme manager has always been odd for me in ubuntu
[08:28] <james> in warty and hoary on two laptops.
[08:28] <james> every now and then it just bombs and eats 100% CPU and sits there.
[08:28] <randabis> any time I try to change or install new themes, I get an error that says I don't have the proper permissions
[08:28] <james> it needs kill -9'ing and sometimes just keeps doing it until the machine's rebooted.
[08:28] <randabis> even root gets this error
[08:29] <randabis> multiple people are having this issue..there's a thread about it on ubuntu forums
[08:29] <tritium> hmm, I hadn't tried changing my theme, but I can't change it from Human...
[08:29] <randabis> on the hoary forum
[08:29] <tritium> that is odd!
[08:30] <randabis> yeah it really sucks :p
[08:30] <runenes> Can anyone recomend a solution to this problem: I need to write some documents which will contain quite a lot of mathematical notation, but also a lot of normal text. I've used oowriter, which I like, but changing between the fomula editor and the standard view is tiresom, and finding the correct characters which repr. the desired notation is time-consuming. Hints, tips and links are greatly appriciated!
[08:30] <randabis> that's the only problem I've had so far with hoary
[08:30] <Wulf_> runenes: LaTeX
[08:31] <tritium> I hadn't really had any until now.
[08:31] <tritium> runenes, definitely LaTeX
[08:31] <randabis> I have a really nice black one I want to use
[08:33] <runenes> Wulf_, tritium: allright, I'll apt-get it - is it diffucult to learn (I don't know any TeX)? thank you btw
[08:33] <froust> randabis-wireles: me neither
[08:33] <froust> stupid tab
[08:34] <tritium> runenes, the packages you'll need are tetex-base and tetex-bin and you'll probably want tetex-extra and tetex-doc
[08:34] <randabis> maurice lenell makes good holiday cookies lol
[08:34] <tritium> runenes, It'll take you some time to learn, but it's worth it.  Most technical journals use it for publications, and most universities use it for dissertations.
[08:35] <abelli> does anyone know where can i get a ubuntu qemu's image?
[08:36] <tritium> runenes, some good info on http://www.latex-project.org/ for you
[08:37] <runenes> tritium, yeah, I'll probably be doing a lot of math in my life, so the investment in learning it prob. will pay off - though I'm a bit scared when I saw the doc package is 40MB - hope that's not all text :)
[08:37] <tritium> abelli, it's in universe
[08:37] <tritium> runenes, The (Not So) Short Introduction to LaTeX2e is a great place to start.
[08:38] <darksatanic> runenes: I can strongly recommend Kopka and Daly as well.
[08:38] <DaNewB> bbl
[08:39] <tritium> I completely agree, darksatanic.  A very good reference.
[08:39] <runenes> tritium, thanks, I've prob. got enough to start now :)
[08:39] <darksatanic> I've got the second edition. I think they're on the fourth now.
[08:39] <runenes> darksatanic, Kopka, Daly?
[08:39] <darksatanic> http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0321173856/qid=1105558731/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl/202-1042138-1109417
[08:40] <tritium> Yeah, the 4th edition is out, and it's not as thick as the 3rd edition.
[08:40] <darksatanic> It's shrinking.
[08:40] <darksatanic> The 3rd ed. was smaller than the second.
[08:41] <darksatanic> They cut out all of the weird font-handling stuff, for example,
[08:41] <tritium> I think they took out the old material to version 2.09, since it's obsolete.
[08:41] <darksatanic> because the new font packages were so much better than the old 2.09 ones.
[08:41] <Jikkle> does bitchx come in a gui version?
[08:42] <runenes> darksatanic, ahh.. ok a 624 page book - that'll have to be later - I've got enough books now at the start of the semester, but I'll defenetly put it on my TODO list (yes, I have a TODO list) :)
[08:42] <tritium> Before ubuntu, I used to use kile (KDE Integrated LaTeX Editor) a lot, but now I just use gedit.
[08:43] <darksatanic> I wrote my thesis in emacs. And a Psion 5.
[08:43] <Jikkle> i need to learn emacs
[08:45] <tritium> I took my thesis defense a few weeks after ubuntu came out.  I may have been the first to use ubuntu to present a thesis/dissertation. :)
[08:46] <theine> can I ask a Debian question in here?
[08:47] <Cred> Hello, I'd like to execute MAKEDEV-DVB.sh before any DVB related modules are loaded (on boot). Where should I put this file so it gets executed?
[08:47] <tritium> theine, maybe it is applicable to ubuntu as well?
[08:50] <theine> tritium: no, it's about upgrading from woody to sarge, which doesn't work for me
[08:50] <froust> i want escape velocity for linux
[08:50] <marquivon> hi. i'm planning to setup a FAI server for automated installation. i use Ubuntu and have Ubuntu CD with me. i wanted to know if it is possible to make the ubuntu CD as the debian mirror as i wish to install ubuntu on all the client machines
[08:50] <tritium> theine, did you ask in #debian?
[08:51] <froust> #debian is a scary place
[08:51] <froust> they're very... zealous
[08:51] <tritium> Yeah, it can be.
[08:51] <froust> one of teh main reasons i use ubuntu
[08:51] <theine> tritium: yes, nobody believed me
[08:52] <froust> doesn't debian's site have a hotwo
[08:52] <froust> ?
[08:52] <tritium> theine, why not just go ahead and ask?  I, for one, won't mind.
[08:52] <froust> in ubuntu we just edit the sources.list and then apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:53] <Ileden> So, my ubuntu installation is stuck at downloading updated software from the internet. There is no activity at all. Is there a way to revive the download?
[08:53] <theine> tritium: alright, so what i did is this: changed all occurencies of woody to sarge in /etc/apt/sources.list, apt-get update, and then apt-get dist-upgrade. However, as opposed to what I expected, it gave me 0 upgrades
[08:53] <Ileden> I can always try the installation again from the beginning. :)
[08:53] <froust> theine: weird.
[08:53] <theine> indded
[08:54] <Lethorion> hi guys, I'm trying to install freenx via apt-get but I get a "it's obsolete" message... any clues?
[08:54] <Ileden> Other tty:s respond normal.
[08:54] <froust> what's a good site for linux games?
[08:54] <froust> that's odd.
[08:54] <help_please> hi
[08:54] <froust> do you have synaptic in debian?
[08:54] <theine> it's not my machine and I guess somebody messed with it before I came
[08:54] <help_please> does any one here knows C++ or knows a channel about help on C++
[08:54] <theine> froust: yes
[08:54] <tritium> theine, did you try "testing", rather than "sarge"?
[08:54] <theine> tritium: yes
[08:55] <subterrific> help_please: whats the problem?
[08:55] <froust> try synaptic?
[08:55] <Ileden> help_please: I have limited C++ knowledge, but I don't know any C++ channels.
[08:55] <theine> froust: yes, i'll do that
[08:55] <froust> that's an odd error tho
[08:55] <kent> help_please,  have you looked at #c++  ?
[08:56] <help_please> ya i'm looking at it
[08:56] <help_please> ok does any one knows how to convert an integer to the class string ?
[08:56] <theine> froust: definately
[08:56] <tritium> theine, you've got me stumped
[08:57] <froust> how's the synaptic goign?
[08:57] <theine> Wow, this synaptic version must be at least 5 years old...
[08:58] <subterrific> help_please: yes, there are several ways, depending on which libraries you want to use
[08:58] <t31> how can i uninstall firestarter?
[08:58] <kent> help_please, strtoi (or something does that, as far as i know..)
[08:58] <subterrific> help_please: one way is to use snprintf, thats the more C style way, the C++ style way would be to use an iostream
[08:59] <subterrific> kent: read his question, he wants int to str
[08:59] <theine> froust: doesn't work either
[08:59] <kent> subterrific, oh.. well, i was just taking care of his next quiestion, which i know becaus i know the future ;)
[09:00] <froust> hrm.
[09:00] <froust> can you upgrade your apt-get or synaptic?
[09:01] <help_please> any other method anyone knows of converting int to string ?
[09:01] <theine> froust: maybe, but i think i go for backports instead
[09:01] <froust> backports?
[09:01] <subterrific> help_please: those are the two standard ways, pretty much any other method will be based on those.
[09:02] <theine> froust: www.backports.org
[09:02] <theine> froust: newer packages build against the old woody libraries
[09:02] <Ileden> help_please: if I remember correctly, you can also call some function of the class String to do it...
[09:02] <subterrific> help_please: help_please http://www.cplusplus.com/ref/iostream/stringstream/
[09:02] <tranceConscious> how do i change the root password after installation???
[09:02] <froust> you've defintiely got a weird error going on
[09:03] <subterrific> help_please: or http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man3/snprintf.3.html
[09:03] <Ileden> tranceConscious: there is something about that in the documentation, iirc.
[09:03] <help_please> ok let me check
[09:04] <tranceConscious> how do i change the root password after installation???.
[09:04] <tranceConscious> how do i change the root password after installation???
[09:04] <Agrajag> tranceConscious: you only need to ask once
[09:05] <froust> sudo su-
[09:05] <froust> then your password
[09:05] <froust> then you're root
[09:05] <froust> then passwd
[09:05] <Agrajag> tranceConscious: you don't need a root password, and I advise against setting one.
[09:05] <froust> or launch a root console
[09:05] <froust> but yeah... what Agrajag said
[09:05] <Agrajag> just use sudo, and your own password.
[09:05] <help_please> guys my problem solved
[09:05] <subterrific> help_please: using stringstream, it'd go something like this: stringstream ss; ss << 10; string mystring = ss.str();
[09:05] <help_please> stringstream does the job
[09:05] <help_please> thanks for the hlep
[09:05] <Agrajag> sudo -c if you just want a root shell
[09:05] <tranceConscious> sudo su- asks for a password i don't know
[09:05] <tranceConscious> how do i change the root password after installation???
[09:05] <froust> its your password
[09:05] <Agrajag> tranceConscious: yes you do.
[09:05] <Agrajag> tranceConscious: sudo uses your own password.
[09:06] <Agrajag> As I said, I advise against setting a root password
[09:06] <Agrajag> You can use sudo to run any program with root priveleges, using your password.
[09:06] <tranceConscious> got it
[09:06] <tranceConscious> sudo su -
[09:07] <Agrajag> yes, that'll get you to a root shell
[09:07] <tritium> tranceConscious, "sudo passwd root" if you absolutely must give root a password
[09:07] <tranceConscious> su[space] -
[09:07] <Agrajag> tranceConscious: sudo -c works too
[09:12] <Meekle> hello
[09:12] <Meekle> is anyone here?
[09:12] <FuNgEx> hello
[09:13] <Ileden> hi
[09:13] <FuNgEx> could not install kdevelop
[09:13] <Meekle> hey- I just came over from mandrake and i have a few problems
[09:13] <Meekle> like getting into gnome
[09:13] <Meekle> or any xwindows would be fine
[09:14] <Agrajag> you don't even get a login prompt?
[09:14] <Agrajag> in gdm that is
[09:14] <Meekle> naw, i fixed that- now i get a login prompt
[09:14] <Agrajag> Does it just dump you to a console?
[09:14] <Agrajag> oh
[09:14] <Meekle> it dumps me to a bank screen with a mouse
[09:14] <Agrajag> so X works fine then
[09:14] <Agrajag> hm
[09:14] <Meekle> a sort of brownish grayish screen
[09:14] <Meekle> where there is nothing to click on or do
[09:15] <Meekle> the only thing i can do is quit it
[09:15] <chapter3> hey all
[09:15] <Cred> Hi
[09:15] <Meekle> hey chapter
[09:15] <Agrajag> Did you keep your home partition from mandrake?
[09:15] <chapter3> i keep seeing a message "new mail in /var/mail/username", why would i be getting mail on my local system, and how can i check it?
[09:15] <Cred> Hey, is there any good graphical CVS tools for Gnome?
[09:15] <Meekle> type mail
[09:15] <Agrajag> Could be something screwy in your old gnome settings
[09:16] <chapter3> ahh, it's from Debconf
[09:16] <Meekle> i don't have old gnome settings, clean install
[09:16] <Meekle> i deleted the old partition
[09:17] <Ileden> did gnome work when you had mandrake installed? or did you use kde?
[09:17] <Meekle> i couldn't even see a login without going to  cntrol-alt-f1 before i tried installing the nvidia drivers
[09:17] <Meekle> gnome worked fine
[09:19] <Meekle> when i start into failsafe terminal its all scrunched up in the bottom right corner
[09:19] <Meekle> so i think something is wrong
[09:19] <Meekle> but i don't know what or how to fix it
[09:20] <Ileden> well, I'm new to linux myself so can't help you. :(
[09:21] <Meekle> grrr
[09:21] <Meekle> ok
[09:21] <Meekle> don't know what's wrong
[09:21] <TheSnowMan> how do i upgrade alsa? anyone knows?
[09:22] <Klon> Meekle: failsafe terminal was always in the bottom right for me
[09:22] <Ileden> sounds like you could try upgrading all the packages concerning X-windows, display adapter and gnome.
[09:22] <Meekle> hmmm
[09:22] <Ileden> but I don't know how to do that :)
[09:23] <seth_> how can i burn a bin/cue image ?
[09:23] <Meekle> i just installed the display driver off of apt-get
[09:23] <Klon> Meekle, what display driver is that?
[09:23] <Ileden> well, that should be the latest then...
[09:23] <TheSnowMan> anyone knows, please, alsa is gong nuts and doesnt always launch correclty...
[09:23] <Meekle> i would think so
[09:23] <Meekle> nvidia
[09:23] <mz2> TheSnowMan, be a bit more precise, please
[09:24] <Meekle> wait- something is happening
[09:24] <Meekle> now it says unbuntu
[09:24] <Meekle> oh heavens
[09:24] <Meekle> it's loading
[09:24] <Meekle> gnome is back!
[09:24] <TheSnowMan> how more precise? i want do upgrade alsa to the latest version, how do i do it?
[09:24] <scizzo> Se7h: convert it to iso first
[09:24] <Klon> Meekle, did you come over from mandrake
[09:24] <Klon> *?
[09:24] <Se7h> how?
[09:24] <Meekle> yeah
[09:24] <Agrajag> Meekle: what did you change? anything?
[09:24] <Meekle> um
[09:24] <Agrajag> or did it just magically work?
[09:25] <Meekle> i restarted again
[09:25] <Agrajag> oh
[09:25] <Agrajag> weird
[09:25] <Meekle> yeah
[09:25] <Meekle> i thought i could restart gnome without restarting, but i guess i had to restart
[09:25] <Agrajag> you should be able to
[09:26] <maciek> Hello, anybody know how to run device-manager?? It crash when i run it...
[09:26] <mirak> does the mails in maildir imap folders have a unique name ? I would like to merge to maildir folders, I am not sure if this can work without conflicts or breakage
[09:26] <mirak> two/to
[09:27] <Meekle> ok
[09:27] <Meekle> hmmm
[09:27] <Meekle> now i should... um
[09:27] <Meekle> figure out how to install ndiswrapper
[09:27] <Meekle> yay
[09:27] <Meekle> what fun
[09:27] <jocheX> hi everyone
[09:28] <Meekle> gotta love how laptops are so proprietary
[09:28] <FuNgEx> why install that?
[09:28] <Meekle> so i can use my wireless card
[09:28] <Meekle> they don't have a native linux driver for it yet
[09:28] <FuNgEx> hmmm
[09:29] <FuNgEx> use ipw-firmware or something
[09:29] <Meekle> ipw-firmware?
[09:30] <FuNgEx> Meekle: in the instalation didn't it find your wireless card or something?
[09:30] <Meekle> no
[09:30] <Meekle> i dont think so
[09:30] <FuNgEx> was it turned on?
[09:30] <jocheX> i have a noob queswtuion (sorry my engish) i have buntu on hda5 and win on hda1, i need to install win98 on hda1, but when i  intall win98 will delete grub, how i can re-intall grub and bott linux in a normal way?
[09:30] <Meekle> its internal
[09:31] <TheSnowMan> when i type apt-get alsa it types back:invalid operation alsa
[09:31] <djtansey> does anyone here know how to turn power off to a specific USB port? (i have a usb mouse that has a stupid light on it. i would like to be able to turn that off in my acpi scripts when i close the lid then have it come back on when i open the lid again.)
[09:31] <TheSnowMan> anyone?
[09:31] <root____> Hi
[09:31] <FuNgEx> Meekle: internal? But still your laptop must have a way to unplug it
[09:31] <maciek> djtansey, : good idea...
[09:31] <FuNgEx> Meekle: it is a centrino right?
[09:32] <root____> Can anyone give me some help with linux ?
[09:32] <Meekle> um, yeah... it's a pentium mobile
[09:32] <djtansey> maciek: if it worked. any ideas?
[09:32] <Meekle> with an internal wireless card
[09:32] <FuNgEx> Meekle: that's right
[09:32] <maciek> djtansey: nope... sorry...
[09:32] <root____> Who can I talk to about linux on here ?
[09:32] <FuNgEx> Meekle: 11Mbps?
[09:33] <Ileden> root_: well, anyone :)
[09:33] <Meekle> the network i'm connecting to is
[09:33] <Meekle> my card supports up to 54
[09:33] <root____> Who is the most knowledgable ?
[09:33] <FuNgEx> hmmmm
[09:33] <FuNgEx> ok
[09:33] <lmurillo> root____, just ask
[09:33] <FuNgEx> centrino 2mb cache
[09:33] <maciek> root____: God :D
[09:33] <Meekle> its not intel, if thats what you mean
[09:34] <Meekle> i think it's broadcom
[09:34] <root____> Am I just talking to you guys or am I in the main chat ?
[09:34] <Meekle> you're in the main chat
[09:34] <scizzo> root____: just ask the question
[09:34] <root____> Im not used to IRC on linux used to mirc on windows
[09:34] <Ileden> root: uh? You're talking on the channel #ubuntu. Anything you type, we all see.
[09:35] <scizzo> root____: you should then start to use a normal user for IRC and not root
[09:35] <FuNgEx> Meekle: i dont know if there are already drivers that support up to 54 mpbs
[09:35] <Meekle> i dont think there are linux drivers at all for this particular card
[09:35] <Meekle> i'm pretty sure there aren't
[09:35] <root____> I need help choosing the right libpcap library for my version of linux Ubuntu I am going to install ethereal
[09:36] <FuNgEx> the generic drivers should work
[09:36] <FuNgEx> let me see something here
[09:37] <root____> ?
[09:37] <Meekle> also- it doesnt seem to find a sound card
[09:38] <FuNgEx> Meekle i found something in some brazilian site about broadcom wireless card with linux
[09:38] <FuNgEx> let me see it in more detail
[09:38] <randabis> I think broadcom cards can work with ndiswrapper
[09:39] <randabis> driverloader is another option, but it's not free
[09:39] <FuNgEx> Meekle: randabis is right... ndiswrapper with windows driver should be the answer
[09:40] <Meekle> yeah
[09:40] <Meekle> that's what i was going to do
[09:40] <Meekle> um
[09:40] <Meekle> why can't it tell that i have a sound card?
[09:41] <Meekle> and is there a way to update firefox with apt-get?
[09:41] <Meekle> it has an older version
[09:41] <Se7h> scizzo how can i convert it to iso ?
[09:41] <Meekle> i thought 1.0 was the current
[09:41] <FuNgEx> Meekle: you should try the backapps
[09:41] <trilluser> hy
[09:42] <trilluser>   i have a lilte mouse problem
[09:42] <trilluser> could anyone helpme?
[09:42] <FuNgEx> Meekle: backports
[09:42] <FuNgEx> sorry
[09:42] <Meekle> backports?
[09:42] <maciek> i have usb mouse problem too...
[09:42] <mcphail> You can download the current firefox and change /usr/bin/firefox to a simlink to the current
[09:42] <Meekle> ok
[09:42] <FuNgEx> Meekle: try search for backports in the ubuntu site
[09:42] <mcphail> the backports should also work
[09:43] <Meekle> what are those?
[09:43] <mcphail> i'll get you the url
[09:43] <trilluser> the thing is that after running xf86config several times the mouse apears to don NOTHINGGGG
[09:44] <mz2> TheSnowMan, how about apt-get install alsa :)
[09:44] <trilluser> is there a solution or should i install debian?
[09:44] <TheSnowMan> mz2, tried that...
[09:44] <TheSnowMan> wouldnt work
[09:44] <Meekle> ok
[09:44] <Meekle> i'll search for those
[09:44] <FuNgEx> Meekle: try this page ubuntuguide.org
[09:45] <maciek> when i plug my usb mouse and boot into linux it hang on hotplug service..
[09:45] <randabis> backports are hoary packages ported backwards to work with warty
[09:45] <mcphail> http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/
[09:46] <Meekle> gnome doesn't seem to believe that i am connected to the internet
[09:46] <Meekle> i mean it says it has sent and recieved packets
[09:46] <mz2> TheSnowMan, do you even have the repositories set up properly? again it would be interesting to know what sort of error message you get
[09:46] <Meekle> but when i try going to a site, or connecting with gaim
[09:46] <Meekle> no can do
[09:47] <trilluser> i think i have a similar error when i start
[09:47] <mg> anyone know why my fonts suddenly went ugly? ;-)
[09:47] <FuNgEx> very strange
[09:47] <mg> i can't see any obvious bug about it
[09:48] <Meekle> fixed it
[09:48] <Meekle> i had to load dhclient3 in the terminal window
[09:48] <Meekle> inside gnome
[09:48] <Meekle> even though it was working outside gnome
[09:48] <maciek> trilluser: with usb mouse ??
[09:49] <trilluser> no, sreial, net mouse pro
[09:49] <phlaegel> anybody else have a really broken panel after recent hoary upgrades?
[09:49] <trilluser> serial
[09:49] <mg> phlaegel: in what way? i often get a hung gnome desktop after upgrades. a reboot fixes it.
[09:49] <FuNgEx> Does anyone know why can't i issue g++ command
[09:50] <FuNgEx> i've gcc installed
[09:50] <FuNgEx> g++ installed
[09:50] <phlaegel> mg, nothing on the panels respond to clicks, some applets (like the clock) are missing
[09:50] <mcphail> g++ is installed? what does "which g++" say?
[09:50] <FuNgEx> nothing
[09:50] <trilluser> ok, by, i think i'll try suse, thank's anyway
[09:51] <FuNgEx> i'll try issuing reinstall through synaptic
[09:51] <mcphail> is g++ really installed? (need to add on to gcc)
[09:51] <mg> phlaegel: hmm, mine never gets that far when it hangs. i know it's drastic for linux, but it might be worth trying a reboot.
[09:51] <Skwid__> hum, can somebody help me in english ? :)
[09:51] <mg> phlaegel: i killed off every one of my processes and that didn't fix it :-/
[09:51] <Skwid__> whats the word for 'skiing outside the slope' ??
[09:52] <mg> off piste?
[09:52] <phlaegel> mg: I already rebooted, since I upgraded to 2.6.10 as well
[09:52] <Skwid__> mg: thats french :
[09:52] <FuNgEx> yes
[09:52] <Skwid__> =)
[09:52] <FuNgEx> gcc is installed
[09:52] <mg> heh, english is full of french. and vice-versa.
[09:52] <Skwid__> no but seriously ..
[09:52] <mcphail> but g++ itself?
[09:52] <FuNgEx> and g++ was installed too on the synaptic package manager
[09:52] <FuNgEx> yes
[09:53] <FuNgEx> g++ itsef
[09:53] <FuNgEx> i'm marking it for reinstallation
[09:53] <vijay> i am new to ubuntu
[09:53] <mcphail> is it the same version as the installed gcc?
[09:53] <FuNgEx> yes
[09:53] <vijay> can someone brief me
[09:53] <FuNgEx> 3.4
[09:53] <keyshawn> on what vijay
[09:53] <vijay> on ubuntu 4.10
[09:53] <FuNgEx> vijay: visit http://ubuntuguide.org
[09:54] <mcphail> might be sufficient to make g++ a simlink to gcc
[09:54] <FuNgEx> that's unofficial
[09:54] <vijay> thanks FuNgEx
[09:55] <vijay> seems cool
[09:55] <FuNgEx> vijay: no problem
[09:55] <vijay> bye will meet you guys again, liked ubuntu a lot
[09:55] <FuNgEx> mcphail: thx
[09:55] <FuNgEx> vijay: join the club
[09:55] <vijay> how
[09:56] <mcphail> my gcc 3.3.4 works fine. ? change to this one ?
[09:56] <spiraloid> ntfs support for mount. how?
[09:56] <vijay> how should i do that FuNgEx
[09:56] <Gagatan> a bit OT, but I'll try anyway.. I've inherited sourcecode -> python-krb5, which needs some work done on it. anyone interested in joining in? The intention is to debianize it and make it part of the official debian archives
[09:57] <FuNgEx> vijay: join the club is just an expression, saying that everyone on this channel liked ubuntu
[09:57] <keyshawn> it's figurative, vijay :D
[09:57] <FuNgEx> :D
[09:57] <keyshawn> heh.
[09:57] <vijay> okay
[09:57] <mg> is there anything other than fc-cache --force i can try to make my fonts look nice again?
[09:57] <vijay> anyway i can add you as my buddy FuNgEx
[09:57] <vijay> and keyshawn
[09:58] <keyshawn> thanks.
[09:58] <StoneTable> woah. Where'd I get Comfortably Numb, performed by NIN, Pink Floyd, and David Bowie o.O
[09:58] <StoneTable> err, wrong channel
[09:58] <keyshawn> [im just about to install ubuntu]
[09:58] <keyshawn> i do have a q about lilo that wasn't in the wiki.
[09:58] <yojimbosan> Yesterday I was recommended to install 'ubutu-desktop' on my Warty system that was originally installed without X. Now I get an error about gconfd when I try to log in from GDM ... any ideas?
[09:59] <FuNgEx> vijay go ahead, must confess you that i'm as new as you to ubuntu
[09:59] <FuNgEx> joined yesterday
[09:59] <FuNgEx> :)
[09:59] <vijay> cool
[09:59] <vijay> i just tried the ubuntu live cd and it looks cool
[09:59] <FuNgEx> but i've been here in this channel asking questions...
[09:59] <FuNgEx> you should try the real thing
[09:59] <FuNgEx> :D
[10:00] <Meekle> whoooooooooo i just typed apt-get upgrade for the hell of it
[10:00] <Meekle> bad idea
[10:00] <vijay> i know, but i am already facing problems
[10:00] <vijay> i cannot boot into my windows xp after ubuntu
[10:00] <FuNgEx> vijay: like what?
[10:00] <keyshawn> yoji, what does the error say ?
[10:00] <vijay> it gives me an error message
[10:00] <im_ka> what's a good dc client? i find dcgui not that good
[10:01] <FuNgEx> my instalation went quite well
[10:01] <vijay> root ( hd0,0)
[10:01] <maciek> vijay: so, You are free now :-)
[10:01] <FuNgEx> everything worked perfectly
[10:01] <vijay> file system unknown
[10:01] <yojimbosan> keyshawn, it's a bit error box that talks about the gconf database not being found, and provides lots of hints about ORBIT and NFS ... none of which seem appropriate
[10:01] <vijay> partition type 0x7
[10:01] <keyshawn> hmm.. i dunno.
[10:01] <keyshawn> im_ka, i'm not aware of any other dc clients out there for nix.
[10:01] <vijay> chainloader +1
[10:01] <FuNgEx> vijay try search that in www.ubuntulinux.org
[10:02] <vijay> this is what it shows
[10:02] <mcphail> vijay: sounds like the kernel 2.6 partition table bug again
[10:02] <vijay> can you help mcphail
[10:02] <FuNgEx> i've heard that the next 5.10 hoary version would have that solved
[10:02] <vijay> i have some important doc's in my winxp
[10:02] <vijay> have to get them before i shift to ubuntu
[10:03] <mcphail> vijay: not really as i haven't experienced it myself. DON'T PANIC. There is a lot of stuff on google
[10:03] <vijay> fc3 was fine, loaded both win xp and fc3
[10:03] <vijay> well i tried to change grub from ubuntu as for what i searched from google
[10:03] <vijay> no luck
[10:04] <mcphail> google for linux lba geometry windows
[10:04] <keyshawn> i'd try posting your dilemma on the forum.
[10:04] <vijay> what is that mcphail
[10:04] <keyshawn> g2g - im off to install 4.10
[10:04] <mcphail> just type the 4 words into google and follow the links. Lots of people have had this prob
[10:05] <lmurillo> ok, I'm gone, bye
[10:05] <maciek> when i plug my usb mouse and boot into linux it hang on hotplug service.. can anybody help ??
[10:06] <Meekle> ok... it's mostly done downloading all of the shit i accidentally had it download
[10:07] <FuNgEx> BRB
[10:07] <Meekle> oh well
[10:07] <vijay> what are those four words
[10:07] <rovragge> how do I with apt-cache list all packages with version number 6.8.1-1ubuntu9
[10:08] <rovragge> or some other tool, non-gui preferably
[10:08] <yojimbosan> rov: apt-cache search . | grep 6.8.1-1ubuntu9
[10:08] <rovragge> yojimbosan: search does not list version numbers, only names
[10:09] <yojimbosan> right, should have tried it first, eh ...
[10:09] <yojimbosan> do you want installed packages only?
[10:10] <rovragge> no, available ones
[10:10] <rovragge> tried apt-cache pkgnames | xargs apt-cache show 2>&1 | grep 6.8.1
[10:10] <rovragge> but that gives lots of garbage as well
[10:11] <abelli> is there any dc++ gui for debian?
[10:12] <yojimbosan> rov: thinking ...
[10:12] <rovragge> yojimbosan: got it..
[10:12] <rovragge> yojimbosan: a lot of pipe grep and sed
[10:13] <rovragge> abelli: valknut.. has some nice features like swarming downloads, but the gui sucks
[10:13] <yojimbosan> yep, that's where I'm headed :0-)
[10:13] <abelli> rovragge: thank you
[10:14] <abelli> rovragge: sorry i cant find it..
[10:14] <abelli> is it in any rep?
[10:15] <rovragge> it's probably called dcgui-qt for earlier versions
[10:15] <im_ka> my hd is becoming too tight. will my system work if i "clone" this hd (read: copy it as it is), and replace it with the clone?
[10:15] <abelli> rovragge: thanks
[10:16] <im_ka> by replacing, i mean on the same bus, etc.
[10:16] <yojimbosan> rov: no sed ... apt-cache pkgnames|xargs apt-cache show|egrep "(Package|Version)" |grep -B1 " 6.8.1"
[10:16] <yojimbosan> space before the version number is important (I have no 6.8.1 packages ....)
[10:16] <rovragge> yojimbosan: thanks
[10:16] <rovragge> yojimbosan: i'm running debian sid + trying ubuntu xorg packages
[10:17] <FuNgEx> Back
[10:17] <FuNgEx> mcphail: g++ still not working
[10:17] <yojimbosan> that sounds potentially very painful, rov, but good luck!
[10:17] <rovragge> maybe installing all packages with version 6.8.1-1ubuntu9 wasn't that bright, but i'll try
[10:18] <yojimbosan> im_ka - the 'dd' command will be your friend. Basically, yes, your approcah will work
[10:18] <FuNgEx> Anyone know a good cd/dvd recording for gnome as k3b is for KDE?
[10:19] <mcphail> FuNgEx: is gcc itself working?
[10:19] <yojimbosan> fungex - k3b from universe :-)
[10:19] <FuNgEx> i need to burn an iso to a cd
[10:19] <FuNgEx> mcphail: yes
[10:19] <mcphail> Nautilus will burn it
[10:19] <yojimbosan> nautuilus cd wroter burns ISOs happily, just right-click on them
[10:19] <FuNgEx> yojimbosan: i would have to install kde-base and libs
[10:19] <FuNgEx> nautilus hein?
[10:20] <dags> how do i activate my scrollwheel? xev respond to all my buttons except when scrolling the wheel
[10:20] <yojimbosan> nothing wrong with having kdebase on your system, in general :) well, for a workstation, anyway.
[10:21] <mcphail> FuNgEx: try sudo ln -s /usr/bin/gcc /usr/bin/g++
[10:21] <Meekle> ok- now my resolution just died
[10:21] <Meekle> wtf???
[10:21] <Meekle> i restarted and i can't get my resolution back
[10:22] <dags> zaxisswapping 4 5, button 7 in xfreeconfig but no reaction. even the thumpbuttons work
[10:22] <Meekle> it actually originally figured out that i was supposed to have a 1920x1200 resolution
[10:22] <Meekle> and now it is giving me a 640x480
[10:23] <Meekle> i dont' want to have to go in and edit the xfconfig file
[10:23] <stu-pid> hi I ordered ubuntu cd -s 2month ago,still not here do you know howlong it takes them to send it?
[10:23] <rovragge> Meekle: if you type '
[10:23] <FuNgEx> mcphail: that worked
[10:23] <rovragge> Meekle: xrandr
[10:24] <rovragge> what resolutions are available there?
[10:24] <Meekle> 640x480 and 320 x 240
[10:24] <mcphail> FuNgEx: excellent
[10:24] <FuNgEx> mcphail: thx
[10:25] <FuNgEx> but isn't that a hack
[10:25] <mcphail> No. I think g++ is usually just a simlink
[10:25] <Meekle> which is funny cause my xf86config-4 file seems to have the right resolutions in it
[10:25] <rovragge> look in you xserver log files for rows marked EE and WW
[10:26] <FuNgEx> mcphail: Live and Learn
[10:26] <Meekle> how do i find the xserver log file?
[10:26] <FuNgEx> 2 days and learned a lot already
[10:27] <itom> hi all
[10:28] <mcphail> FuNgEx: worth trying Linux From Scratch when you have a spare weekend
[10:29] <FuNgEx> I can see that :D
[10:29] <stu-pid> hi I ordered ubuntu cd -s 2month ago,still not here do you know howlong it takes them to send it?
[10:29] <Meekle> how do i check the xserver logs????
[10:30] <FuNgEx> Another thing... isn't nautilus supposed to come with Ubuntu by default?
[10:30] <FuNgEx> can't seem to find it
[10:30] <kosmonautti> yeah
[10:30] <mcphail> stu-pid: ages. They send them in batches.
[10:30] <Agrajag> find it?
[10:30] <stu-pid> ok
[10:30] <Agrajag> FuNgEx:  See the icons on your desktop?
[10:30] <dags> FuNgEx, computer->home
[10:30] <FuNgEx> Ok
[10:30] <FuNgEx> dumb question :D
[10:31] <mcphail> FuNgEx: nautilus looks different from GNOME 2.6 onwards
[10:31] <FuNgEx> can it erase cdrws too?
[10:31] <FuNgEx> ok
[10:31] <mcphail> dunno
[10:31] <FuNgEx> again dumb question
[10:31] <FuNgEx> Thx you all :D
[10:31] <dags> it erases automatically when burning, dont know if you can do it manually
[10:31] <FuNgEx> very nice integration
[10:31] <will_> veeerry nice!
[10:31] <FuNgEx> everyday i'm a step closer to remove windows from my system...
[10:32] <FuNgEx> or at least to use it just for .Net development
[10:32] <will_> FuNgEx:i keep it for games
[10:32] <Meekle> how do i check the xserver logs?
[10:32] <FuNgEx> will_: that too :D
[10:32] <kosmonautti> A Tip: Kernel 2.6.10 seems to get powernow-k8 properly working under Ubuntu :) As I was experiencing "BIOS Error: numpst must be 1" but it is now gone by the emergence of Hoary and 2.6.10 on my comp :)
[10:32] <mcphail> Tried Mono for .NET?
[10:32] <_martin> Do you have a specific problem, Meekle
[10:33] <Meekle> yeah i upgraded using apt-get upgrade
[10:33] <Meekle> and then decided to restart
[10:33] <FuNgEx> yep... but many things are still missing
[10:33] <Meekle> and now the highest resolution i can get is 640x480
[10:33] <mcphail> Haven't ventured into c# yet...
[10:33] <FuNgEx> mcphail: they could catch up with .Net 1.1 and now there's even .Net 2.0
[10:33] <FuNgEx> so...
[10:33] <kosmonautti> Meekle: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[10:33] <FuNgEx> It's my favorite language now
[10:34] <mcphail> Heard good things, but the whole patent thing is a but worrying
[10:34] <_martin> Did you get that, Meekle?
[10:34] <mcphail> s/but/bit
[10:35] <mcphail> Any Mono IDEs on ubuntu?
[10:35] <Meekle> yeah, i'm working on it
[10:35] <FuNgEx> mcphail: yes... that's a pain in the but... but generics and everything
[10:35] <FuNgEx> i've installed from universe... monodevelop
[10:36] <FuNgEx> i guess
[10:36] <_martin> I'd like to see Mono with Gtk# in Hoary
[10:36] <FuNgEx> i just added a bunch of repositories
[10:36] <FuNgEx> then searched for mono
[10:36] <FuNgEx> and there it was
[10:36] <tux_> lo
[10:36] <FuNgEx> perhaps: backports
[10:37] <mcphail> Must try it
[10:37] <tux_> having openssl problems
[10:37] <tux_> checking for main in -lcrypto... no
[10:37] <tux_> configure: error: OpenSSL crypto library missing.
[10:37] <tux_> anyone come across this ?
[10:37] <FuNgEx> it's quite good
[10:37] <tux_> its doing my head in :/
[10:37] <mcphail> Think I can help you tux_
[10:37] <bassinboy> chibifs: do you use the xfce4 RC 3 installer? i get Checking for Gtk+ >= 2.2.0... not found,
[10:38] <tux_> i even upgraded to the 0.97e ver.
[10:38] <tux_> then when recompiling the particular program , it still quita
[10:38] <tux_> *quits
[10:39] <_martin> tux: Isn't openssl in Warty already?
[10:39] <rovragge> in which package is /lib/lsb/init-functions ?
[10:40] <Meekle> this doesn't have my resolution in it
[10:40] <tux_> _martin, yes
[10:40] <FuNgEx> i'm buying a new computer just to have windows there... and the laptop will be Ubuntu's property :D
[10:40] <tux_> openssl has been working grand up till now
[10:41] <kosmonautti> FuNgEx: Be sure to buy Athlon64-based laptot :)
[10:41] <kosmonautti> laptop*
[10:41] <kosmonautti> oh...nvm
[10:41] <kosmonautti> a64-based comp
[10:41] <bassinboy> what sources do you use for amd64?
[10:41] <FuNgEx> ;) i will
[10:42] <FuNgEx> want a barebone
[10:42] <_martin> tux: Could you not run something like apt-get build-dep openssl and get all the sources needed to build from scratch?
[10:43] <mcphail> tux_: is libcrypto.so pointing to the wrong version since an upgrade? Can you change the simlink?
[10:43] <tux_> i think it could be this particular program
[10:44] <tux_> openssl was working fine until now
[10:44] <tux_> hmm ok brb
[10:46] <FuNgEx> after synaptic download and install how can we get rid of the packages we download?
[10:47] <FuNgEx> does it do it by itself?
[10:48] <randabis> sudo apt-get clean
[10:48] <randabis> in aa term
[10:49] <FuNgEx> thats something missing in synaptics
[10:49] <FuNgEx> thx randabis
[10:50] <rovragge> gdm restarts all the time, but startx works, it says "failsafe dialog failed (inhibitions: 0 0)" in /var/log/daemon.log
[10:50] <rob0> The FAQ says that every package in Debian is in Ubuntu. I enabled (un|mult)iverse and it's not so. What am I missing?
[10:50] <Agrajag> try debian-marillat
[10:51] <rob0> Specifically I'm looking for xastir, which for Debian says it is available in apt-get
[10:51] <Agrajag> that has stuff like libdvdcss
[10:51] <Agrajag> oh
[10:51] <FuNgEx> rob0: try http://ubuntuguide.org
[10:52] <mjr> if the faq says that flat-out, it's a bit incorrect; basically the part of debian that compiles cleanly against ubuntu is available in universe, which means that there may be a few omissions
[10:53] <rob0> ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/  <-- those lines?
[10:53] <mcphail> Don't think it's in marillat...
[10:57] <ions> why does it keep telling me I have new mail at the command line?
[10:57] <ions> Ubuntu comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by
[10:57] <ions> applicable law.
[10:57] <ions> You have new mail.
[10:57] <mcphail> type mail
[10:57] <Agrajag> it's messages from cron jobs
[10:57] <Agrajag> and debconf
[10:57] <ions> oh, yes so it is
[10:58] <rob0> It's not in marillat. Hmmm.
[10:59] <ions> alright, how do I get rid of it?
[10:59] <mcphail> type mail and read it (type number for each message)
[11:00] <ions> I did type mail and I am "reading" it but now I'm stuck in an endless string of '& AT EOF'
[11:01] <gonebob> type q'
[11:01] <gonebob> 'q'
[11:01] <esac> ok i tried debian 3.1, but it seems it doesnt have evolution-exchange. it does in SID, but i tried to install it and it didnt run. anybody actually used evolution-exchange in ubuntu ?
[11:01] <ions> Unknown command: "q"
[11:01] <ions> Ctrl-d got me out
[11:01] <mz2> why is my desktop not updated when i add files onto it?
[11:02] <mcphail> man mail
[11:02] <mz2> and how is the menu editing supposed to work in nautilus? i've tried adding launchers via sudo applications:// and they only show up to root, not the other users
[11:03] <mz2> so is there even a non-user-specific way of adding stuff to the gnome menu?
[11:03] <mcphail> mz2: Applications -> (hover on trunk until branch appears) -> (hover on branch apps and right click)
[11:04] <mcphail> Don't right click on the main menu tree
[11:04] <umarmung> mz2, applications-all-users:///
[11:05] <Ileden> ok, a real simple question: where can I find the firefox icon to the firefox shortcut? :)
[11:05] <mz2> umarmung, oh, cool! thanks
[11:06] <mcphail> mz2: If apps add to menu when installed, you won't see them until GNOME is restarted
[11:07] <umarmung> mcphail, not true, if famd/gamin is running they should show without restart
[11:07] <mz2> mcphail, hmm? i don't believe that, as i've already seen the menu updated instantenuosly after an install
[11:08] <mcphail> I've always had to restart...
[11:08] <mz2> umarmung, do you have idea about that other question I asked, of how my Desktop folder doesn't update (everything else does, really snappily even) when I add files onto it
[11:09] <umarmung> mz2, i dont know for sure, but i suspect it's a problem with famd/gamin. I have no solution, sorry.
[11:10] <mz2> hmm that applications:/// doesn't seem to work, not at least quickly
[11:12] <mz2> do i have to enable something in gconf perhaps to make it work?
[11:13] <umarmung> mz2, you edit applications-all-users:/// as root/with sudo?
[11:13] <mz2> with sudo
[11:13] <mz2> yep
[11:15] <SirFred> I have not that applications:/// location.
[11:15] <spunout> Quick Question:  Wiped out my MBR with a Fedora Install (mistake).  Fedora labels my sata drive sda1, while Ubuntu labeled it hda1 (i think).  I booted fedora, chrooted into /mnt/sda1 (Ubuntu),  --->Now how do I mount the /proc/ before i do a grub-install?
[11:16] <Unholyfuneral> well this Ubuntu Linux 4.10: The Warty Warthog works pretty good
[11:16] <mz2> nope, can only see it with the root user
[11:17] <gonebob> spunout: you can grub install not in the chroot
[11:17] <gonebob> spunout: grub reads the config data at boot time
[11:17] <mz2> it = the launcher i just created
[11:17] <Unholyfuneral> can you install warty to an harddrive
[11:18] <Unholyfuneral> or is it only live
[11:18] <froust> Unholyfuneral: yup
[11:18] <gonebob> Unholyfuneral: the main point is to install it
[11:18] <gonebob> the live CD is sort of a.. bonus
[11:18] <froust> livecd?
[11:18] <froust> how so?
[11:18] <spunout> gonebob: run grub-install but point it at the grub info in the Ubuntu partition, not the fedora partition I am booted into?
[11:19] <Unholyfuneral> well its play sound this is the first ver of linux i had that would
[11:22] <Unholyfuneral> so gonebob i can install this and use it as an installed linix
[11:22] <gonebob> yes
[11:22] <froust> Unholyfuneral: if it's an isntall cd, yes
[11:22] <gonebob> you need to download the install CD
[11:22] <Unholyfuneral> ah
[11:22] <Unholyfuneral> ok
[11:22] <froust> i'll fidn you the url
[11:22] <Unholyfuneral> sounds good
[11:23] <rob0> spunout, that is not a quick question :)
[11:23] <gonebob> spunout: just run grub-install
[11:23] <froust> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/
[11:23] <spunout> spunout: done that, didn't work
[11:24] <spunout> gonebob: done that.  didnt work.
[11:24] <mcphail> spunout: Are you binning Fedora? If not, why not just add ubuntu to the fedora menu.lst
[11:25] <gonebob> ah ok
[11:25] <darkmo0n> can someone help me with x configuration? I got a new lcd that i cant run at its native res
[11:25] <dreamer> darkmo0n: I had tha tproblem
[11:25] <dreamer> you need to edit the vsync and hsync settings
[11:26] <rob0> spunout, mount --bind /proc /mnt/whatever/proc # I think, check the man page
[11:26] <dreamer> er .. now if only I could remember where ;)
[11:26] <dreamer> xdefaults or something
[11:26] <darkmo0n> wheres that?
[11:26] <gonebob> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[11:28] <Craigory> Hello all -- I am unable to use a microphone in Ubuntu.  Any ideas?
[11:28] <darkmo0n> that reconfigure didnt ask me about display modes
[11:28] <rob0> mixer settings, mic is probably muted
[11:28] <dreamer> darkmo0n: hang on a tic
[11:29] <spunout> rob0: /whatever/ being the question, I guess...  if im chrooted into /mnt/sda1/   or would it work if i did it before the chroot?
[11:29] <Craigory> I've unmuted everything in gnome's mixer and alsamixer.  Sound works.  I don't hear myself speaking through the speakers.  Recording gives no errors, but produces silence.
[11:29] <darkmo0n> this is the error msg: (II) NVIDIA(0): Not using mode "1600x1200" (no mode of this name)
[11:29] <rob0> spunout, you have to do that before you get into the chroot
[11:29] <spunout> ok
[11:29] <dreamer> it should be in /etc/X11
[11:30] <dreamer> add your resolution and hsync/vsync details for that monitor
[11:30] <dreamer> then restart x
[11:30] <Craigory> rob0 -- it is possible my mixer settings are still incorrect, but I have tried many combinations now.  Also I have checked both the alsa and oss devices.
[11:30] <darkmo0n> theres no file called xdefaults
[11:30] <darkmo0n> there
[11:30] <HrdwrBoB> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[11:30] <HrdwrBoB> use that command to reconfigure X
[11:30] <HrdwrBoB> (and use it with sudo, I am a retard)
[11:31] <darkmo0n> HrdwrBoB, i ran that, but it didnt ask me about modes
[11:31] <HrdwrBoB> darkmo0n: what LCD do you have
[11:31] <rob0> Craigory, that would be my guess, check the "rec" and uncheck "mute" in the GNOME mixer.
[11:31] <darkmo0n> dell 2001fp
[11:32] <rob0> does Ubuntu have "alsaconf"? I use that in Slackware and it's almost always right.
[11:32] <Craigory> The microphone is unmuted, and the volume is at max.  This produces some hiss, but no useful output.
[11:32] <darkmo0n> theres 'alsamixer'
[11:32] <AndyR> anyone managed skype on ubuntu?
[11:33] <Craigory> Alsaconf is provided by (in the apt-get sense) the alsa-utils package, but there is no executable called "alsaconf" in the package.
[11:33] <JConnell> AndyR: I use skype on warty
[11:33] <rob0> so how (what) would I add to sources.list to get Debian source packages available? And then how to build and install those? Can synaptic do it, or is it a CLI job?
[11:33] <dreamer> oh it's .Xdefaults I think
[11:33] <dreamer> or you create one
[11:33] <AndyR> JConnell, what did you have to do to get it working?
[11:34] <wastrel> i'm downloading the livecd
[11:34] <Craigory> Debian source packages? Add this: deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/ unstable main contrib non-free
[11:34] <dreamer> darkmo0n: how long are you online? I could try putting my box back together if you have 15 minutes or so ;)
[11:35] <JConnell> AndyR: I just downloaded the tarball the static tarball
[11:35] <Craigory> So nobody has ideas about the microphone other than to unmute it?
[11:35] <JConnell> AndyR: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#skype
[11:35] <AndyR> thank you
[11:36] <rob0> Slackware puts alsaconf at /usr/sbin/alsaconf, and it's just a shell script, looks like it should work with any distro, more or less.
[11:36] <darkmo0n> i will be here for a while, but you dont have to do that
[11:37] <rob0> Craigory, if it's not executable, make it so, and run it. (But first you should unload all your ALSA modules ... can't do it from X.)
[11:37] <dreamer> it's just a matter of putting the hard drive back in and putting the box back together ;)
[11:37] <Craigory> There is no file called alsaconf on my system, or in the alsa-utils package.
[11:39] <spunout> mounted proc.  chrooted sda1(ubuntu).  grub-install /dev/hda says Could not find device for /boot: Not Found or not a block device
[11:40] <mellinux> Hey everyone. Could someone help me install the sound card on an old Gateway Pentium II Laptop?
[11:40] <rob0> Craigory, you can get that script from alsa-project.org, I bet ... or grab it from a Slackware mirror site.
[11:41] <Unholyfuneral> your going to need an ScrewDriver mellinux
[11:41] <Craigory> Ok, I'll give it a try.
[11:41] <Unholyfuneral> to get the case off
[11:41] <mellinux> Is that a program?
[11:41] <rob0> LOL
[11:41] <rob0> I think your leg was pulled, mellinux
[11:42] <mellinux> Who ccapitalizes the D in screwdriver?
[11:42] <Unholyfuneral> me and some one else
[11:42] <mellinux> Well, is that really necessary?
[11:43] <Unholyfuneral> i dont know never thought about it
[11:43] <mellinux> Is there not some way for Ubuntu to run a program to look for it?
[11:43] <Unholyfuneral> should be an hardware detector
[11:43] <HrdwrBoB> oh good god
[11:43] <HrdwrBoB> mellinux: ok, what laptop is it
[11:43] <mcphail> alsaconf conficts with alsa-utils
[11:44] <HrdwrBoB> Unholyfuneral: please, be quiet
[11:44] <mellinux> Gateway
[11:44] <mellinux> Pentium II
[11:44] <HrdwrBoB> model?
[11:44] <mellinux> hm... it's old =]
[11:44] <mellinux> let me check
[11:44] <HrdwrBoB> it'll be on the bottom, most likely
[11:44] <Unholyfuneral> Hrdwrbob im not playing around this time im looking for it
[11:45] <rob0> the sound card chip would be more useful information, and lsmod output ...
[11:45] <Unholyfuneral> i know is redhat it scans
[11:45] <mellinux> solo 9100
[11:45] <HrdwrBoB> rob0: of that vintage it's likely not pci :(
[11:45] <HrdwrBoB> though yes, can you paste the lspci output on pastebin.com
[11:46] <rob0> I have a P-II desktop with an onboard ISA sound chip, alsaconf finds it and sets it up
[11:46] <mellinux> gateway2000 solo9100
[11:46] <mellinux> it has working speakers, they're just not recognized by ubuntu
[11:46] <rob0> it also worked with an IBM thinkpad PII-233
[11:46] <mellinux> i can't run winXP because it doesn't like xp
[11:46] <mellinux> it being the laptop
[11:46] <mirak> fuck
[11:46] <mirak> I fucked up
[11:47] <mirak> lol
[11:47] <FuNgEx> lol
[11:47] <mirak> I send a motivation letter for a job
[11:47] <mirak> I did a mistake on the entreprise name
[11:47] <mirak> company
[11:47] <mirak> I did a cut and past
[11:47] <FuNgEx> OMFG
[11:47] <mirak> that's just a the end of the letter
[11:48] <mirak> now I wonder if I should resend it
[11:48] <mirak> or just do as if nothing
[11:48] <dreamer> screwing it together now ;)
[11:48] <Unholyfuneral> Mirak now all you got to do is figure out how to stuff the company in hrdwrbobs ass
[11:48] <dreamer> soon as I find my thumbscrews at least
[11:48] <mirak> Unholyfuneral: what ?
[11:48] <mirak> :)
[11:49] <Unholyfuneral> Mirak ive done the same thing
[11:49] <mirak> lol
[11:49] <mirak> hourray !
[11:49] <Unholyfuneral> im my resume i put symantic
[11:49] <Unholyfuneral> when i was applying for symantec
[11:49] <Unholyfuneral> that did not go over well
[11:49] <mirak> well this can be interpreted as a typo
[11:49] <mirak> Unholyfuneral: what do you mean ?
[11:50] <mirak> Unholyfuneral: it didn't worked ?
[11:50] <Unholyfuneral> yea well it was spelled right when i did it the spell check in word changed it
[11:50] <Unholyfuneral> did what work mirak
[11:50] <mirak> you got rejected ?
[11:50] <Unholyfuneral> no i got the job
[11:51] <mirak> did they remarked it ?
[11:51] <Unholyfuneral> I told them what happend
[11:51] <mellinux> Bob, any luck?
[11:51] <Unholyfuneral> they told me to sumbit a new resume
[11:51] <HrdwrBoB> mellinux: hand on for a second
[11:51] <Unholyfuneral> they did not want that on file
[11:51] <mellinux> Okay.
[11:51] <mirak> Unholyfuneral: you told them this when ? during the interview ?
[11:52] <dreamer> booting ubuntu now
[11:52] <Unholyfuneral> yea they said we got a question i said what they said is this how you spell symantec
[11:52] <Unholyfuneral> I said no spell check changed it
[11:52] <Unholyfuneral> but it looked bad
[11:52] <mirak> lol
[11:53] <mirak> so you work for symanted
[11:53] <Unholyfuneral> spelling the company rong is not good
[11:53] <mirak> tec
[11:53] <Unholyfuneral> i was was techsupport
[11:53] <Unholyfuneral> for symantec
[11:53] <mirak> that pay well ?
[11:53] <HrdwrBoB> spelling it wrong could be worse
[11:53] <Unholyfuneral> unitle they MOved most support to INDIA
[11:53] <madmatt> quick question -> i want to have a background for the login screen - i have a theme installed and it works fine, but when i enter the correct username/password it goes brown - i want that colour to be an image - i have select image and put the image in /home/madman/loginbg.png and the settings program previews it fine - is it not appearing beacuse i don't have access to that directory yet?
[11:53] <Unholyfuneral> nah only 11.00 an hour
[11:54] <madmatt> also, the 'only 1 colour' option is unticked
[11:54] <AndyR> is anyone able to call me on skype for a quick test please?
[11:54] <wastrel> what's skype
[11:54] <froust> VOIP software
[11:55] <Unholyfuneral> ill call u from my cell
[11:55] <Unholyfuneral> but not home line roomates dont like when i make long dist calls and blame it on the cat
[11:56] <mjr> skype is proprietary software with a proprietary protocol
[11:56] <wastrel> jolly
[11:56] <mjr> I can test call you with h323 via gnomemeeting ;)
[11:56] <Craigory> Hmm... I tried alsaconf, but my microphone still does not work.
[11:56] <Ileden> unfortunatelu skype is also the only voip software I've gotten to work...
[11:57] <Craigory> Alsaconf just asked for the sound card I have and did a /etc/init.d/alsa restart.
[11:58] <king_arthur> Hi everybody, does anyone here have a set up with virtual interfaces?
[11:58] <crimsun> Craigory: what sound devices do you have?
[11:58] <Craigory> Looks like it just isn't going to work -- why isn't there ever a place that just says "Sorry, with that sound card, it's not gonna work"
[11:58] <Craigory> You always have to just keep trying, and eventually give up.
[11:59] <Unholyfuneral> craigory THis warty Linux found my sound card right off the first one ever to do so
[11:59] <rob0> yes, Craigory, what card?
[11:59] <Craigory> snd_ens1370            19492  3
[11:59] <Craigory> snd_rawmidi            25088  1 snd_ens1370
[11:59] <Craigory> snd_seq_device          8136  1 snd_rawmidi
[11:59] <Craigory> snd_pcm_oss            53160  0
[11:59] <Craigory> snd_mixer_oss          19520  2 snd_pcm_oss
[11:59] <Craigory> snd_pcm                95332  3 snd_ens1370,snd_pcm_oss
[11:59] <Craigory> snd_timer              25028  1 snd_pcm
[11:59] <Craigory> snd_page_alloc         11528  2 snd_ens1370,snd_pcm
[11:59] <rob0> 1370
[11:59] <Craigory> snd_ak4531_codec        7744  1 snd_ens1370
[11:59] <Craigory> snd                    55524  11 snd_ens1370,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_ak4531_codec
[11:59] <Craigory> soundcore              10208  2 snd
[11:59] <Craigory> It's an Ensoniq PCI 128.
[11:59] <crimsun> Craigory: and /proc/asound/cards lists it, correct? (do _not_ flood in here, thanks)


[00:35] <Sarvatt> how about uh.. http://sarvatt.com/downloads/patches/0001-Add-Gallium-support-via-an-xorg.conf-option-enabled-.patch
[00:37] <RAOF> Looks like it'll work, although it won't fall back, will it?
[00:42] <Sarvatt> yeah really stumped on the fallback, it'll fallback to swrast though I think? wish i had one to test all this junk out :)
[00:42] <RAOF> Heh.
[00:44] <RAOF> In RADEONPreInit_kms you could simply stat() /usr/lib/dri/radeong_dri.so, right?
[00:44] <RAOF> If it doesn't exist, set useGallium to false.
[02:19] <bjsnider> people are sending me angry emails asking why the lucid nvidia updates have to be in the x-updates ppa
[02:23] <RAOF> Do they offer to field any angry emails we get when nvidia updates in the main repositories break for users? :)
[02:24] <Sarvatt> bjsnider: what lucid nvidia updates?
[02:25] <bjsnider> drivers
[02:25] <Sarvatt> the newest released driver is in lucid already I thought?
[02:25] <bjsnider> no, the 256 line
[02:25] <Sarvatt> non-beta
[02:25] <bjsnider> they want the sexy 256 line
[02:25] <bjsnider> RAOF, no, they mean in that ppa and not my ppa
[02:26] <bjsnider> you pretty much have to run dozens of ppas if you want cutting edge stuff these days
[02:26] <bjsnider> there isn't one ppa you can go to for every little thing is what i've been telling them
[02:27] <Sarvatt> wow only 6 patches didn't apply to xorg-server_<IP_ADDRESS>+git20100606.f03be727-0ubuntu0sarvatt.
[02:28] <Sarvatt> was expecting it to be more like 29
[02:28] <Sarvatt> err 20
[02:38] <RAOF> ARGH!  The back button is not your friend when editing bugs.
[02:42] <Sarvatt> checking host system type... Invalid configuration `technical': machine `technical' not recognized
[02:42] <Sarvatt> kay!
[02:44] <Sarvatt> doesn't like bryce's change :)
[02:52] <RAOF> Oh, that's no fun at all.  It looks like a guest user can bring down my system.
[02:54] <Sarvatt> yeah bryce's change doesn't work even on the straight ubuntu branch
[02:55] <Sarvatt> configure: WARNING: you should use --build, --host, --target
[02:55] <Sarvatt> configure: WARNING: invalid host type: http://www.ubuntu.com/support)
[02:56] <RAOF> There probably needs to be some quoting.  I'll look at it.
[03:01] <Sarvatt> its just too much quoting
[03:01] <Sarvatt> --with-builderstring="xorg-server 2:<IP_ADDRESS>1-1ubuntu1 ("For technical support please see http://www.ubuntu.com/support")"
[03:04] <bryceh> sheesh
[03:08] <RAOF> Yeah, just unquoting fixes that.
[03:09] <bryceh> right, let me push an updated commit
[03:10] <bryceh> hmm, git's refusing to let me push
[03:10] <bryceh> probably quite wise of it
[03:10] <RAOF> There are probably changes up there.
[03:11] <Sarvatt> lol i was editing it in one tree and test building changes in another, doh
[03:13] <Sarvatt> i bet googling for bryce brings up hundreds of pastebins now :)
[03:14] <bryceh> :-/
[03:18] <bryceh> I literally just got scolded by my wife for working on the weekend ;-)
[03:19] <Sarvatt> doh sorry bryce! we coulda fixed that, i was referring to you as bryce so it wouldn't ping you :)
[03:21] <RAOF> It's got to be pretty late for you there too, right?  Go have some fun!
[03:21] <bryceh> it's only 7:20pm
[03:22] <bryceh> been out in the shop most of the day
[03:23]  * RAOF understands “shop” to be short for “workshop” aka shed.
[03:23] <bryceh> yep
[03:24] <bryceh> technically it's part of my garage
[03:25] <RAOF> Cool.  I managed to prune half a rosebush inbetween showers last weekend.  It's now somewhat less totally, unnecessarily huge and convoluted.
[03:27] <bryceh> pushed
[03:27] <bryceh> I was out there to paint some shelves for my game closet, but ended up starting a medium sized reorganization project
[03:29] <Amaranth> Sarvatt: If we get compiz 0.9 we won't need any max texture size checks
[03:30] <RAOF> Amaranth: Is that magical future compiz _likely_ to be in Maverick?
[03:30] <Amaranth> RAOF: They've put out a call for testing, it should be feature complete at this point
[03:33] <Amaranth> RAOF: I was working on packaging it but seb128 says we need to get the package back to syncing from Debian or small changes from Debian
[03:34] <RAOF> Seems reasonable.
[03:34] <Amaranth> But Debian still has compiz-gtk, a completely nonsensical package as it depends on most of GNOME
[03:34] <Sarvatt> is this really the cycle to do that with things being held up by squeeze?
[03:35] <Amaranth> And we'll waste a bunch of time trying to coordinate on the new naming and packaging scheme considering there is no compiz-fusion anymore
[03:35] <Amaranth> Sarvatt: He was willing to stick to just keeping the plugins packaged synced from Debian but that is the part most likely to need a major change (get rid of the fusion name)
[03:36] <Amaranth> I was trying to coordinate on at least naming with the person I think is the Debian maintainer (he was going to be working on 0.9 packages for testing, anyway)
[03:36] <Amaranth> But I haven't heard from him in a few weeks
[03:41] <Sarvatt> i guess we'll be on this same old 0.8.4 thats already over 8 months old in MM then? :D
[03:41] <Amaranth> Sarvatt: possibly
[03:42] <Sarvatt> i tried packaging the new one up but man I hate cmake
[03:42] <Amaranth> I don't have much interest in working on 0.9 packages if the debian maintainer is eventually going to be his own set and we need to use his
[03:42] <Sarvatt> couldn't find any good examples of other things using cmake
[03:42] <Amaranth> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~amaranth/compiz/0.9 https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~amaranth/libcompizconfig/0.9
[03:42] <Amaranth> here have some packages :)
[03:43] <Sarvatt> \o/
[03:44] <Amaranth> Sarvatt: I stopped there because I went to ask seb128 if I could use multiple tarball support to roll the plugins-main and plugins-extra sets in to the compiz package so we could easily split the plugins in to what we use and what we don't
[03:45] <Amaranth> Without a gst-plugins-bad, gst-plugins-bad-multiverse, etc kind of split
[03:51] <Sarvatt> who did you contact about it?
[03:54] <Amaranth> Sarvatt: sean finney
[03:59] <Sarvatt> nice, you got bzr-builddeb set up for it too??
[04:01] <Sarvatt> i'm not really sure what all the move to .9 entails package renaming wise, maybe you could send an email to debian-x with the problems since it looks like its on life support at the moment in debian?
[04:03] <Sarvatt> like is it just transitioning the plugins to compiz-plugins-foo instead of compiz-fusion-plugins-foo?
[04:03] <Sarvatt> i know the whole build system got an overhaul
[04:05] <Amaranth> Sarvatt: Yeah, and rewriting the rules file for the build system
[04:05] <Amaranth> Sarvatt: But sean was interested in doing the plugins as a part of compiz as well but using git submodules for some reason
[04:05] <Amaranth> Sarvatt: So we'd really need to nail that down
[04:06] <Sarvatt> no bzr-builddeb if you do that :(
[04:06] <Amaranth> eh
[04:06] <Amaranth> I can't use it so long as I'm doing git snapshots anyway
[04:06] <Amaranth> brb, reboot
[04:07] <Amaranth> well, if I can get it to give me the option...
[04:07] <RAOF> You could totally use it for git snapshots; just install bzr-git and pull as normal.
[04:08] <Amaranth> I don't use put the source in bzr
[04:08] <Sarvatt> or a get-orig-source target?
[06:04] <RAOF> Sarvatt: Were you merging xserver-xorg-video-nv?
[06:05] <Sarvatt> i think mvo was? we could just sync it, just one fedora patch that wasnt a bugfix
[06:07] <RAOF> And the crazy probe logic.
[06:25] <Sarvatt> yeah even superm1 agreed that should be dropped though
[07:09] <Sarvatt> xserver master actually turned my machine off for me, how thoughtful! :D
[07:10] <Sarvatt> just trying it out because it looks like the last of the abi breaks went in earlier so it'll probably branch soon
[07:13] <RAOF> Sarvatt: That was really X, and wasn't the kernel doing it's panic→shutdown dance?
[07:19] <Sarvatt> i did a startx, launched gnome-terminal and it was all white, and 10 seconds later my machine was completely off :)
[07:20] <Sarvatt> time to grab a core dump to play with
[07:21] <RAOF> I wonder if launchpad will accept my 255MiB vmcore this time…
[07:21] <Sarvatt> aren't you an aussie?? thats like 1/10th your monthly bandwidth limit!
[07:22] <RAOF> Uploads don't count.
[07:24] <Sarvatt> weird the selinux stuff is showing up in the log now, it wasn't like a week ago - http://sarvatt.com/downloads/xorg.txt
[07:24] <RAOF> At least on my ISP, as long as you don't have fiber.
[07:27] <RAOF> So, watcom.  Where are we at there?
[07:27] <RAOF> Is anyone currently merging it?
[07:28] <Sarvatt> thats the one i'm worried about
[07:28] <RAOF> Difficult merge?
[07:28] <RAOF> Also, no hardware to test?
[07:28] <Sarvatt> not sure what all these ubuntu changes were, we kind of forked it..
[07:29] <RAOF> Bah.
[07:29] <Sarvatt> do we have the history in bzr?
[07:29] <Sarvatt> somewhere
[07:29] <Sarvatt> i've been meaning to look for that, the changelog doesn't help much
[07:30] <Sarvatt> if you do upload it remember to autoreconf, lol
[07:30] <Sarvatt> been hit by that so many times
[07:30] <RAOF> It doesn't autoreconf during build?
[07:30] <Sarvatt> nope
[07:31] <RAOF> Well, that's silly.
[07:32] <RAOF> Hm.  When it's cold I kind of wish this x200s had a touchpad as well as a nub.
[07:34] <Sarvatt> tjaalton was going to put it on pkg-xorg and redo the packaging some but he disappeared, think he's in the last few weeks of college now
[07:34] <Sarvatt> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/maverick/xf86-input-wacom/maverick yay found it
[07:35] <RAOF> Yup.  lp:ubuntu/xf86-input-wacom
[07:35] <RAOF> Only 9 revisions, though.
[07:36] <Sarvatt> i dont think any of this applies if we sync..
[07:37] <Sarvatt> still looking though
[07:38] <Sarvatt> hmm bryce brought in xsfbs to it
[07:38] <Sarvatt> so just the n-trig patch, i doubt thats upstream but have to check
[07:42] <RAOF> Hm.  That may well be upstream.
[07:47] <Sarvatt> its not and it doesn't apply anymore
[07:47] <Sarvatt> http://linuxwacom.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=linuxwacom/xf86-input-wacom;a=blob;f=src/wcmUSB.c;h=249a7bfb3e96454df82b0ca9e67cfdcb5e7aefa4;hb=HEAD
[07:48] <Sarvatt> and http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/maverick/xf86-input-wacom/maverick/revision/5#debian/patches/100_ntrig_2010_02_03.patch
[07:48] <Sarvatt> doesn't look hard to refresh, they just made it more generic for waltop tablets
[07:50] <Sarvatt> hmm does it work without the patch now even?
[07:50] <Sarvatt> looks like it does
[07:51] <Sarvatt> except it doesn't get those custom dimensions
[07:52] <Sarvatt> defaults to 1016x1016 for unknown devices and that patch was setting it to 1122,  934 if i'm not mistaken, but could do that in a snippet.. i think bryce has one of the devices, gotta bug him tomorrow :)
[07:53] <RAOF> :)
[07:56] <RAOF> Yes, he does.  I saw it at UDS.
[07:56] <RAOF> It's pretty fun.
[07:59] <Sarvatt> darn, was going to suggest a git checkout but it requires util-macros 1.8 now which isnt released in debian :)
[10:05] <seb128> hi there
[10:06] <seb128> is there known issue with the matrox videocards on lucid?
[10:06] <seb128> seems that we received quite some bugs from users getting invisble gnome-panel when compiz is on
[10:14] <jcristau> the mga drivers are abandoned, and nobody tests them, so i wouldn't be surprised.
[10:14] <jcristau> (well other than server stuff where you don't want to run compiz anyway)
[10:16] <seb128> do you think it's worth trying to get those fixed or should we rather turn compiz off on those cards?
[10:38] <Sarvatt> seb128: got any links to any of them with good info? xsession-errors would probably say why the panel died. mga hasn't really been touched in mesa in at least 3 years though :(
[10:39] <seb128> Sarvatt, the issue is a graphical refresh one it seems ot visual corruption with compiz
[10:39] <seb128> compiz was not enabled on matrox before according to mvo
[10:39] <seb128> the wrapper used to filter matrox out because they though it didn't work with it
[10:39] <seb128> the new compiz in lucid dropped the wrapper and filter out on pci ids though
[10:39] <seb128> it doesn't filter out those matrox cards it seems
[10:40] <seb128> I'm wondering if we should do that again or try to figure what is wrong with the matrox driver
[10:40] <Sarvatt> i'll see if i can dig up anything
[10:41] <jcristau> probably wouldn't be extremely hard for someone with the hw and interest
[10:41] <Sarvatt> yeah looks like it was blacklisted back in 07..
[10:41]  * jcristau has neither
[10:47] <Sarvatt> yeah for sure it looks like an oversight that the blacklist got dropped
[10:48] <Sarvatt> same problem even back in gutsy
[10:48] <seb128> well the thing is that it's somewhat working
[10:49] <seb128> so we can decide either to try to fix or filter it out again as it was
[10:52] <Sarvatt> hmm need to look at what the default dri settings are for mga, not sure why its even allowing this by default - /usr/bin/compiz (core) - Warn: Exceeded max texture size
[10:56] <Sarvatt> all this time i didnt know about xdriinfo :D
[10:57] <Sarvatt> darn why do these gnome-panel bugs have to have no useful info on them
[10:58] <Sarvatt> maybe theres one filed against x-x-v-mga
[10:58] <jcristau> i didn't even know mga had tfp
[10:59] <keffie_jayx> hello all, I al here because I am interested in helping out with this bug. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-sis/+bug/301958. To be honest it is a big beyond my expertice but I can try spliting the 1.6 patch into smaller ones and see. This is an issue that should be resolved if a patch were sent upstream.
[10:59] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 301958 in xserver-xorg-video-sis (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "[needs-packaging] no working driver for sis 671/771 video cards (affects: 40) (dups: 14) (heat: 256)" [Wishlist,Triaged]
[11:00] <jcristau> it'd also be fixed by getting better hw
[11:06] <Sarvatt> it's very doable, just need a lot of time
[11:17] <Sarvatt> if you ignore parts of it like the acceleration code thats wildly different you can port chunks of it over to sis pretty easy though, the resolution settings code would be a good start since it has a ton more modes than sis
[11:18] <Sarvatt> have you checked if mandriva updated it?
[11:19] <Sarvatt> shouldn't be *that* much needed to go from 1.6 to 1.7, take a look at xf86-video-sis in git and see the changes they did and apply it there too
[11:25] <keffie_jayx> Sarvatt: let me see what I can do :)
[11:26] <Sarvatt> not a single person in that bug posted logs with stock ubuntu drivers.. sheesh
[11:27] <Sarvatt> keffie_jayx: what is your problem with SIS? does it not load at all?
[11:27] <Sarvatt> or is it just that you dont get the right resolution?
[11:27] <keffie_jayx> Sarvatt: recently I just get the vesa driver with 800x600
[11:28] <keffie_jayx> in karmic I would get no video at all
[11:28] <Sarvatt> on mine I get SIS at 800x600, but what I do is unblacklist sisfb and set the resolution through that
[11:28] <keffie_jayx> sorry no X at all
[11:31] <keffie_jayx> Sarvatt: my idea is to get this to a state of parity with some distros
[11:31] <keffie_jayx> it works in fedora and in mandriva, and sme success in open suse
[11:31] <Sarvatt> well they aren't shipping that sisimedia driver, so why does it work there and not here?
[11:32] <keffie_jayx> you suggest that I get the resolution settings code sorted out and see
[11:32] <keffie_jayx> Sarvatt: black magic, unshared btw
[11:32] <Sarvatt> fedora's sis is stock upstream with no patches
[11:32] <Sarvatt> mandriva was using the sisimedia but last i looked they stopped after they updated to xserver 1.7
[11:33] <Sarvatt> yeah fedora 10-13 are all just stock upstream releases at least
[11:33] <Sarvatt> is it possible they aren't blacklisting sisfb?
[11:37] <Sarvatt> huh, fedora kernel has CONFIG_DRM_MRST=n?
[11:38] <Sarvatt> yeah fedora doesn't even build sisfb so it isn't that, all I can think of is the autoconfiguration stuff was screwed up in the past releases.. checking the pci id now
[11:45] <Sarvatt> keffie_jayx: if you could get an xorg.0.log from both a broken ubuntu livecd and a working fedora livecd that would help a ton to figure out where the problem is
[11:47] <keffie_jayx> Sarvatt: rigth, I am on it then, can i ping you when I have it?
[11:47] <Sarvatt> yeah, please do, thank you for that
[11:48] <Sarvatt> it should be pretty obvious from the logs whats going wrong
[12:56] <Sarvatt> oh man, today's the save the crappy gpu day or something, i'm actually working on merging this sis671
[13:17] <Sarvatt> this is surprisingly less hard than i thought it'd be, just imported it into git and am working my way through the commits in reverse
[13:23] <seb128> Sarvatt, oh btw bug #572550
[13:23] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 572550 in xserver-xorg-video-mga (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 3 other projects) "Panel utilities not shown on startup using Matrox gfx with compiz (affects: 15) (dups: 6) (heat: 115)" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/572550
[13:24] <seb128> Sarvatt, that's the bug about the matrox compiz issue
[13:25] <Sarvatt> yay one of the dupes actually has some logs on it
[13:25] <seb128> Sarvatt, do you think we should make compiz not run on those?
[13:27] <Sarvatt> for sure
[13:27] <seb128> ok, thanks
[13:30] <Sarvatt> hmm http://launchpadlibrarian.net/48707922/CurrentDmesg.txt
[13:39] <Sarvatt> i'd like to see a glxinfo from one of these
[13:40] <Sarvatt> every single one with logs has +/usr/bin/compiz (core) - Warn: Exceeded max texture size in it
[13:40] <seb128> Sarvatt, it's an open bug tracker, feel free to ask questions or add comments ;-)
[13:40] <Sarvatt> i'm sure one of these has logs, will ask if i dont find it of course :)
[13:44] <Sarvatt> ah when it says "/usr/bin/compiz (core) - Warn: Exceeded max texture size in it" it launches the fallback window manager and quits compiz
[13:46] <Sarvatt> i dont think any of these people are even using compiz
[13:47] <Sarvatt> they all fall back right after gnome starts in the .xsession-error logs
[13:47] <seb128> hum
[13:47] <seb128> so comments are confusing
[13:47] <seb128> because people said they solved the issue by uninstalling compiz
[13:49] <Sarvatt> i think its because they uninstalled compiz-gnome
[13:51] <seb128> how would that make a difference if they don't run compiz?
[13:52] <Sarvatt> because its still loading gtk-window-decorator always if you ever start compiz
[13:52] <Sarvatt> and doesn't quit it even if you stop running compiz
[13:52] <Sarvatt> have you seen issues with gtk-window-decorator and gnome-panel? because that might be what these people are hitting
[13:53] <Sarvatt> /usr/bin/compiz (core) - Warn: Exceeded max texture size
[13:53] <Sarvatt> Starting gtk-window-decorator
[13:53] <Sarvatt> that persons on a savage with the same problem
[14:41] <Sarvatt> seb128: i can reproduce it on my intel
[14:41] <Sarvatt> seb128: enable compiz, then go back to no effects
[14:41] <Sarvatt> and in a terminal run compiz-decorator
[14:42] <Sarvatt> panel disappears
[14:42] <seb128> Sarvatt, ok, thanks, so compiz bug?
[14:42] <Sarvatt> yeah
[14:47] <seb128> Sarvatt, thanks for investigating
[14:48] <Sarvatt> the decorator runs before compiz finishes bailing out if it cant load
[14:49] <seb128> the decorator should not be running if compiz doesn't run
[14:49] <seb128> I don't really get what is happening
[14:52] <Sarvatt> it never stops, I guess the old wrapper used to handle stopping it when compiz quit before?
[14:53] <Sarvatt> will look in git, digging through a trace of whats going on
[14:53] <seb128> hum
[14:53] <seb128> what doesn't stop? the decorator?
[15:03] <Sarvatt> yeah, before when the compiz wrapper stopped it stopped the decorator too but now they're seperate and stopping compiz doesnt stop the decorator
[15:10] <seb128> Sarvatt, ok thanks
[15:10] <seb128> Amaranth, ^
[15:10] <seb128> mvo, ^
[15:10] <seb128> do you guys know about that?
[15:11] <seb128> mvo, seems compiz doesn't run on matrox it's just that the decorator is still running after it bails out
[15:12] <Amaranth> The decorator shouldn't be doing anything if compiz isn't running to tell it what to do
[15:16] <Sarvatt> i'm not supposed to have /etc/xdg/compiz/compiz-manager anymore right?
[15:18] <Amaranth> it doesn't get used
[15:18] <Amaranth> but we can't remove config files
[15:20] <Sarvatt> just making sure before i remove it, thanks :)
[15:32] <seb128> Amaranth, did you read the bug pointed before?
[16:23] <asac> RAOF: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/49818073/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-armel.libdrm_2.4.20-2ubuntu1~10.04~eglppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[16:35] <asac> RAOF: so do we want to not produce -intel there? guess we should make INTEL then more specific in rules
[16:35] <asac> hmm ... wonder why the build in maverick succeeded
[16:52] <Sarvatt> darn I was hoping launching compiz with the decoration plugin on the command line would kill gtk-window-decorator when you replaced it but nope. looks like this is a common problem with compiz going by how other distros handle it
[16:54] <Sarvatt> hah, thats funny because intel was added to arm specifically for libdrm even though it makes no sense
[16:54] <Sarvatt> because plymouth needed it
[16:57] <Sarvatt> that looks like a rules failure because it built, just didnt install?
[17:03] <Sarvatt> RAOF: Package: libdrm-intel1
[17:03] <Sarvatt> Section: libs
[17:03] <Sarvatt> Architecture: amd64 i386 kfreebsd-amd64 kfreebsd-i386
[17:03] <Sarvatt> thats why it didnt build
[17:19] <bryceh> morning
[18:18] <Sarvatt> morning bryceh!
[18:20] <Sarvatt> bryceh: how do you want to do your n-trig quirk in wacom now? patch doesn't apply anymore but it looks like you can load wacom for any tablet now with an xorg.conf snippet
[18:20] <Sarvatt> not sure though
[18:24] <bryceh> n-trig quirk?
[18:24] <bryceh> refresh my memory
[19:05] <bryceh> Sarvatt, is xorg-server ready to upload?  Can you give me a url for the orig tarball to use?
[19:05] <bryceh> Sarvatt, also, let me know status on debdiffs for anything you'd like to get uploaded later today once the xserver goes in
[19:42] <bryceh> anyway, I'll wait for you or raof to cue me when/what to upload, so lemme know
[21:52] <bryceh> http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1652779/powercolor-hd5970-display-outputs
[22:03] <Sarvatt> phew, its fun trying to install a system with no network and only the letters asebom working on my only usb keyboard :D
[22:05] <Sarvatt> wanna finish setting up this fglrx box real quick and i'll get right on the debdiffs
[22:13] <bryceh> btw only going to be available 3 more hrs; wife is doing major housecleaning today and demands being taken out to dinner this evening
[22:14] <Sarvatt> testing out xorg-server now, with http://xorg.freedesktop.org/releases/individual/xserver/xorg-server-<IP_ADDRESS>1.tar.gz
[22:15] <jcristau> should i upload an xorg-server <IP_ADDRESS>1 to experimental so you have a tag/tarball to merge from?
[22:16] <bryceh> jcristau, that would be quite helpful
[22:17] <jcristau> ok, will try to do that then.  bad wireless permitting.
[22:17] <Sarvatt> RAOF: are you around?
[22:20] <Sarvatt> i got caught up putting together two radeon machines, sorry if I kept you hanging today :( haven't heard from RAOF since this morning, it sounded like he already did some of the merges
[22:20] <Sarvatt> bryceh: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/maverick/xf86-input-wacom/maverick/revision/5#debian/patches/100_ntrig_2010_02_03.patch
[22:20] <Sarvatt> thats the wacom patch
[22:21] <Sarvatt> http://linuxwacom.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=linuxwacom/xf86-input-wacom;a=blob;f=src/wcmUSB.c;h=249a7bfb3e96454df82b0ca9e67cfdcb5e7aefa4;hb=HEAD
[22:21] <Sarvatt> and thats upstream
[22:22] <lucazade> hi
[22:22] <Sarvatt> hopefully debian is far enough behind that it applies :)
[22:23] <lucazade> there is a patch to fix opengl for poulsbo on lucid
[22:23] <lucazade> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28077
[22:23] <ubot4> Freedesktop bug 28077 in Acceleration/EXA "X segfault in miCopyRegion / fbCopyNtoN" [Normal,New]
[22:24] <lucazade> is a a bug in Xorg 1.7.6 EXA code
[22:25] <lucazade> is it possible to apply this patch in the backport repository?
[22:27] <lucazade> now we have 2D/3D and video accel
[22:48] <kees> RAOF: does this new major bump of Xorg gain us a higher max client count?
[22:49] <kees> RAOF: (bug 260138)
[22:49] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 260138 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "(needs x11 protocol update) Xorg needs client limit raised (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 9)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/260138
[22:51] <Sarvatt> no, thats X12 I believe kees :)
[22:53] <kees> Sarvatt: oh... Major major.  ;)
[22:57] <Sarvatt> just curious, what do you do that hits the limit? seen ya asking for that for years :D
[22:57] <bryceh> Sarvatt, when I try to pbuilder this xserver I get some unmet deps:
[22:57] <bryceh>   pbuilder-satisfydepends-dummy: Depends: xutils-dev (>= 1:7.5+3) but it is not installable
[22:57] <bryceh>                                  Depends: libxau-dev (>= 1:1.0.5-2) but 1:1.0.5-1 is to be installed.
[22:57] <bryceh>                                  Depends: libxfont-dev (>= 1:1.4.1-2) but it is not installable
[22:57] <bryceh>                                  Depends: libpciaccess-dev (>= 0.11.0-2) but it is not installable
[22:57] <bryceh>                                  Depends: mesa-common-dev (>= 7.8) but it is not installable
[22:57] <bryceh>                                  Depends: libgl1-mesa-dev (>= 7.8) but it is not installable
[22:58] <Sarvatt> you're building in a lucid pbuilder
[22:59] <Sarvatt> or not updated in a few weeks?
[22:59] <bryceh> just now updated it
[22:59] <bryceh> sudo DIST=maverick pbuilder build xorg-server_<IP_ADDRESS>1-1ubuntu1.dsc
[23:03] <kees> Sarvatt: I don't, but a friend of mine hits it all the time due to him running like 9 desktops and hundres of shells and firefox windows
[23:08] <bryceh> Sarvatt, regarding that ntrig quirk patch, it still looks valid, you just need to refresh it.  Lines 12-14 in the patch need to be changed to match lines 444-446 from http://linuxwacom.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=linuxwacom/xf86-input-wacom;a=blob;f=src/wcmUSB.c;h=249a7bfb3e96454df82b0ca9e67cfdcb5e7aefa4;hb=HEAD
[23:08] <bryceh> I suspect everything else in that changeset remains the same
[23:11]  * Sarvatt wishes there was a git-bzr
[23:12] <jcristau> ok, got my xserver upload to people.d.o, so the painful part is done. now to sign it and move it over to ftp-master.
[23:12] <Sarvatt> and a gitlib in python while i'm at it
[23:16] <jcristau> bryceh: http://people.debian.org/~jcristau/xorg-server_<IP_ADDRESS>1.orig.tar.gz is the tarball i uploaded.
[23:16] <bryceh> thanks!
[23:17] <jcristau> (with 1.9 we'll use the upstream tarball, since alanc removed the README.DRI file we'd been stripping.)
[23:20] <Sarvatt> is using an old xsfbs going to screw things up in xf86-input-wacom? looks like we imported it for some patches
[23:21] <jcristau> (and just to be sure, sha1sum is 46e647e61b3608dc4db5ae368f1bc9036c837d5c)
[23:21] <bryceh> Sarvatt, well you could probably use a newer xsfbs without any problem, but you'll need some sort of system there to apply the patch
[23:22] <bryceh> xorg-server_<IP_ADDRESS>1-1ubuntu1_source.changes uploaded to my ppa
[23:23] <Sarvatt> well we dont have any of the provides so I guess it doesn't really matter
[23:23] <bryceh> rebuilding my maverick pbuilder instance, will try building it locally again after that
[23:32] <bryceh> ok, building nicely now
[23:43] <bryceh> built
[23:43] <bryceh> uploading...
[23:44] <bryceh> ...uploaded.
[23:44] <bryceh> Let the Games Begin
[23:46] <bryceh> [ubuntu/maverick] xorg-server 2:<IP_ADDRESS>1-1ubuntu1 (Accepted)
[23:46] <RAOF> Thanks!
[23:50] <RAOF> bryceh: Could you also upload the SRU in the xorg-server ubuntu-lucid branch?  It's 2:1.7.6-2ubuntu8 with the miCopyRegion segfault & others fixed, not the GLX 1.4 backport
[23:51] <RAOF> Sarvatt: dulwitch is a gitlib in python.  Used by bzr-git.
[23:53] <bryceh> RAOF, I think that numbering is wrong
[23:53] <RAOF> Hm.  Quite possibly.
[23:54] <Sarvatt> bryceh: 2 more here, http://sarvatt.com/downloads/merges/ would you mind acking those sync requests on here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/PackageNotes ?
[23:55] <bryceh> alright
[23:57] <bryceh> RAOF, that's a lot of changes for an SRU...  do you have all of the 4 bugs there filed as SRU reports?
[23:59] <RAOF> Yes.  The first two were filed by you, the third by pitti, the last by me.