[00:00] <Galerien> jiohdi: sit and wait then, ok, thanks !
[00:00] <JWay> usr13, wicd did the trick together with sudo rfkill unblock wifi - thank you so much! must be a bug with natty and iwlagn...
[00:00] <rafii> zookalicious: in my opinion it depend how much someone modificate original system, if more non-stock configuration/modification = greater chance of encounter problem during updating
[00:00] <jiohdi> Galerien: or file bug reports
[00:00] <Galerien> I did on the beta
[00:00] <zetheroo> ohsix: they could have made a right-click menu for the launcher ... couldn't they ...
[00:01] <george_> Good evening. I've tried to upgrade my distro, but there were some troubles. I'm currently stucked, due to the command sudo apt-get dist-upgrade results in the following http://pastie.org/1845252. Could someone help me to solve that? Thanks.
[00:01] <zookalicious> rafi - I would agree with that statement. However I remember my upgrade from 9.04 to 9.10 was when I had nothing configured special and that broke hard. Luck of the draw I suspect
[00:01] <zorlem> george_, it looks like there is some unexpected package versions
[00:01] <ohsix> zetheroo: why? so people can see a menu they can't do anything with anyways? you're presuming an educated user, an educated user can already get what they want with the classic session
[00:01] <likki> Hi, my internet/browser on ubuntu 10.04 has been acting weird for the past couple of days. When I click on a link on google search, it would redirect me to google.com. Sometimes clicking a link on a webpage would redirect me to twitter. And sometimes it would give me a google 404 error. I cannot think of anything that might have caused this and this happens randomly.
[00:02] <zorlem> george_: are you sure you didn't mix two ubuntu versions?
[00:02] <TerryBook> ok.  minimizing to the system tray does *not* work in Unity
[00:02] <LAcan> anyone know if kismet appeneds or overwrites log files?
[00:02] <Sylphid> Eathuz, whats the error message displayed?
[00:02] <Captainkrtek> is anyone using natty and has a printer?
[00:02] <Captainkrtek> if so PM me please
[00:02] <nutsfornatty> the system tray is obsolete in unity afaik
[00:03] <ohsix> TerryBook: that would be an application feature
[00:03] <pp7_> nutsfornatty: where does stuff go then? in the unity bar?
[00:03] <ohsix> nutsfornatty: indeed, you need to whitelist things that work for them to even show up
[00:03] <rafii> zookalicious: yep, older versions was more problematic :) hopefully newer version will be better :D
[00:03] <Captainkrtek> who here is using Natty?
[00:04] <Monotoko> ohsix...skype was showing up in my systray fine?
[00:04] <ohsix> who isn't, did you have a question
[00:04] <Captainkrtek> do any of you have a printer set up with natty?
[00:04] <zetheroo> ohsix: why do you keep referring to the "classic session" as a solution? It's another session entirely ... and it's not the future, or what is meant to be the future, of Ubuntu ... so as I see it what needs to be focused on is Unity and NOT the previous stuff ... but we should not be removing features or usability from the previous sessions either ...
[00:04] <ohsix> Monotoko: whitelisted
[00:04] <Captainkrtek> verifying some ubuntu documentation ohsix
[00:04] <TerryBook> if you try to minimize a program (such as xchat, for example) it vanishes completely.  the only way to get it back is to open another instance of the program, and kill the inaccessible process from the system monitor
[00:04] <pp7_> ohsix: how do u whitelist?
[00:04] <ohsix> zetheroo: it's also not the past, they are concurrent
[00:04] <TerryBook> minimize to system tray, I mean
[00:04] <Monotoko> ohsix, I see...as a developer do I need to get things whitelisted in order to make them appear in the system tray now..?
[00:05] <Eathuz> Sylphid, it's the basic: "Boot Error" - "DISK BOOT FAILURE INSERT SYSTEM DISK AND PRESS ENTER"
[00:05] <nutsfornatty> pp7_: you get a launcher icon for unity. and certain apps are allowed to place icons/info in the top bar (like the system indicators) .. and thats it
[00:05] <Captainkrtek> ohsix, are you on natty?
[00:05] <zetheroo> ohsix: well ... on one level, perhaps ... but in Ubuntu it is obvious that Unity is the future
[00:05] <ohsix> zetheroo: you are making an argument for no change at all, unity would be useless if that were the case, if you do not want something different, use what is familiar
[00:05] <rafii> who in this channel switch back to good old gnome2 classic panels from unity?
[00:05] <fermisan> guys
[00:05] <zetheroo> ohsix: Unity is now!
[00:05] <next8> hi everyone
[00:05] <LordFDisk> wow.... I have downloaded 11.04 havt not yet DNR but really so much backlashing at each other in the room .... I hope things calm down later on tonight.  I remember the good old days where you only got command line at boot
[00:05] <fermisan> how likely is the new ubuntu update to brick my machine
[00:05] <ohsix> zetheroo: don't be stupid, unity is a plugin for compiz
[00:05] <fermisan> its 44 megs
[00:05] <fermisan> what the fcuk
[00:06] <Captainkrtek> fermisan, you can never "brick" a computer really unless hardware fails
[00:06] <fermisan> i know
[00:06] <Monotoko> fermisan, very slim chance but do back up
[00:06] <nutsfornatty> fermisan: not likely if you are careful about your gfx drivers
[00:06] <RAMPKORV> snopp
[00:06] <Captainkrtek> +1 ^
[00:06] <fermisan> meh its still beta
[00:06] <zetheroo> ohsix: that's ridiculous .... change is not the issue ... as long as it's ADDING to the whole experience and NOT removing
[00:06] <Captainkrtek> fermisan, I upgraded fine
[00:06] <ohsix> Monotoko: theres an article on the wiki about it, basically if it fits the aesthetic/function standards it will be whitelisted
[00:06] <Monotoko> fermisan, it isn't beta
[00:06] <Sylphid> Captainkrtek, sure you can... bad bios flash
[00:06] <fermisan> Monotoko: it isn't?
[00:06] <Captainkrtek> Sylphid, that as well
[00:06] <fermisan> its finished?
[00:06] <Captainkrtek> fermisan, yes
[00:06] <Monotoko> fermisan, nope it was released today
[00:06] <ohsix> zetheroo: follow that thread, you keep adding and not removing, what do you get?
[00:06] <fermisan> idk guys
[00:06] <Captainkrtek> fermisan, check the homepage
[00:07] <fermisan> is 11.4 any good
[00:07] <fermisan> i feel like it is a android copy
[00:07] <Captainkrtek> fermisan, it's pretty good, still getting used to it
[00:07] <nutsfornatty> sometimes removal is better for the greater good, i dislike iOS but i admire the "unity" of the overall interface across apps (pun intended)
[00:07] <fermisan> >getting used to
[00:07] <Monotoko> fermisan, it all depends...I personally like unity, others despise it
[00:07] <zetheroo> ohsix: you know what I mean ... adding but not removing key features or usability
[00:07] <skulltip> anyone not have troubles with 11.04, upgrade go smooth as silk?
[00:07] <fermisan> well you convinced me not to use it
[00:07] <ohsix> zetheroo: the useful moves are removing old things you thought you were wed to; then you get a completely new experience and get to decide if it's sufficient
[00:07] <fermisan> is the old interface still avalible
[00:07] <Cryovat> Unity is decent if you're on a single screen with somewhat low resolution
[00:07] <fermisan> i hate the new look
[00:07] <Captainkrtek> fermisan, I come from gnome, unity is a bit different in terms of how im used to using ubuntu
[00:07] <Monotoko> fermisan, yes
[00:08] <ohsix> zetheroo: there is no panel; the panel did all the things you desire, full stop
[00:08] <Captainkrtek> I dont think it handles dual displays well enough yet
[00:08] <fermisan> Monotoko: how do i get it
[00:08] <rafii> skulltip: my upgrade 10.10->11.04 was fine :)
[00:08] <Cryovat> If you have two screens, the top menu and launcher bar becomes terrible
[00:08] <Captainkrtek> nutsfornatty, you have a printer installed in natty?
[00:08] <nutsfornatty> test unity for a week, make sure to use keyboard shortcuts and try to think of the OS in terms of full screen apps.
[00:08] <Monotoko> fermisan, just choose "ubuntu classic" when you log in
[00:08] <Cryovat> Tbh
[00:08] <zetheroo> ohsix: well having a menu which makes me have to make more clicks to get to an app than before is NOT sufficient ...
[00:08] <Cryovat> Gnome 3 works much better than Unity imo
[00:08] <Monotoko> zetheroo...just use the super key
[00:08] <ohsix> Cryovat: not many people use multiple monitors, you should see about communicating how it can be improved
[00:08] <RAMPKORV> The problem I had was that Xinerama doesn't seem to work in Unity
[00:08] <ohsix> zetheroo: then you use what is
[00:08] <TerryBook> what's the "super key"?
[00:08] <Captainkrtek> does anyone have a printer installed in Natty?
[00:09] <api1996> Hey everyone.  I'm running 10.10 on a wubi install.  Has anyone reported success updating a wubi install from 10.10 to 11.04?
[00:09] <Sylphid> Eathuz, is the usb device plugged into a front or rear port?
[00:09] <zetheroo> Monotoko: how does that go?
[00:09] <nutsfornatty> captainkrek: not yet, i have an hp wireless laser printer. going to be troublesome getting that to work
[00:09] <Monotoko> TerryBook, the WIndows key
[00:09] <RAMPKORV> So I'm using Twinview, but full-sceen apps don't work so well
[00:09] <Eathuz> Sylphid, thanks for trying to help. I gave up and spent 10 minutes trying to find an empty CD. Found one and it's booting fine. I guess USB booting is simply out of the question
[00:09] <Cryovat> ohsix: The general problem is that application switching has turned really inconvenient
[00:09] <kzman> hi, how can i upgrade from 10.04 to 11.04?
[00:09] <zetheroo>  ohsix: haha ... and your back to that ;)
[00:09] <Monotoko> zetheroo, it brings up a menu which you can seatch from
[00:09] <Cryovat> And I hate how they copied the mac menu
[00:09] <Cryovat> It's terrible
[00:09] <Captainkrtek> nutsfornatty, verifying the ubuntu-doc for the printing setup
[00:09] <TerryBook> ahh, ok
[00:09] <sebsebseb> kzman: through 10.10, and it will be a bit slow at the moment
[00:09] <ohsix> RAMPKORV: nice, thats tough though, the proprietary drivers only do xinerama; and they fake it, and only because the drivers don't do xrandr 1.2+
[00:09] <Cryovat> WOrks on a netbook, but on a full desktop, it just fails
[00:09] <sebsebseb> it seems
[00:09] <Eathuz> Sylphid, tried both, no improvement. But it doesn't matter anyway. Thanks for taking your time :)
[00:09] <zetheroo> Monotoko: yeah ... that is kinda what I have been talking about ...
[00:09] <sebsebseb> !upgrade | kzman
[00:09] <entity> [dlp]: I have a paste with my error and fstab contents: http://paste.ubuntu.com/600504/
[00:09] <joepa> I'm unable to pin apps to the Launcher in unity, anyone else having this problem?
[00:10] <sebsebseb> kzman: and since 10.04 is LTS it will only show LTS's by default
[00:10] <Monotoko> joepa, how come?
[00:10] <rcmaehl_rant> What's the name of the default theme for 11.04/
[00:10] <sebsebseb> rcmaehl_rant: Ambiance
[00:10] <nutsfornatty> app switching is easy, i use 8 virtual windows and win+s  or win+w
[00:10] <api1996> will updating a wubi install of 10.10 to 11.04 work?
[00:10] <Sylphid> Eathuz, no problem... sorry i couldnt help, though it may be a bios bug you may want to try updating, i cant think of any other reason if it worked fine on another box
[00:10] <RAMPKORV> ohsix, when playing games in Fullscreen, I get a fullscreen across two 16:9 screens, which isn't so pretty
[00:10] <RAMPKORV> :D
[00:10] <Cryovat> It's ok if you're using keyboard
[00:10] <Monotoko> api1996, it should do
[00:10] <joepa> Monotoko: I right click, choose "Keep in Launcher," logout, log back in, and it's gone
[00:10] <Sexygurl2furl> is it normal for the upgrade download to take forever?
[00:10] <RAMPKORV> But I'm not really doing it much, so
[00:10] <Cryovat> But with a mouse, it's a big hassle
[00:10] <ohsix> RAMPKORV: thank nvidia :D
[00:10] <pylix> when does 10.10 stop being supported?
[00:10] <joepa> Monotoko: am I missing something?
[00:10] <Captainkrtek> if anyone has a printer installed in Natty please please PM me
[00:10] <api1996> thanks monotoko
[00:10] <zetheroo> Monotoko: see that is well and all if you know the app your looking for ... although it still involves typing .. more work than before again ... but say you want to look at all your apps in a category ... ... it is not as quick as before
[00:11] <nutsfornatty> cryovat: what OS do you find is easier for app switching?
[00:11] <ohsix> RAMPKORV: you could try the nouveau driver, it does xrandr
[00:11] <Eathuz> Sylphid, I agree. I'll try that later on. It's rather late here, so didn't think that far :)
[00:11] <Cryovat> nutsfornatty: It worked great in Gnome 2 with a panel with a task switcher on each screen
[00:11] <Sylphid> pylix, 2 years of support if i remember correctly
[00:11] <RAMPKORV> ohsix, aye
[00:11] <pylix> okay thanks
[00:11] <Cryovat> Gnome 3 also works very nice out of the box for switching apps on multiple screens
[00:11] <ohsix> zetheroo: not as quick for your trained behaviour, someone with different experience will have different circumstance
[00:11] <RAMPKORV> I hope it does Geforce 210 well
[00:12] <Monotoko> joepa...that should work...is it a new install or did you update? and zetheroo, I like to use my mouse as little as possible, find it slows me down
[00:12] <fermisan> update is still slow as fuck
[00:12] <joepa> Monotoko: update
[00:12] <joepa> Monotoko: from 10.10
 is it normal for the upgrade download to take forever?
[00:12] <Cryovat> Unity  feels like it's designed without taking high resolutions or multiple screens into account at all
[00:12] <zetheroo> Monotoko: hectic ;)
[00:12] <Blue1> fermisan: d/l the iso now, what can I expect?
[00:12] <rafii> unity not improve workflow, it's only eye-candy...
[00:12] <nutsfornatty> cryovat: i see your point. perhaps a few indicators for windows and window switching that can be customized would improve the mouse workflow
[00:12] <Monotoko> joepa, sounds like a permissions issue to me...not quite sure which file it will be though
[00:12] <Sexygurl2furl> can somebody pls help me?????
[00:12] <yofel> pylix: nope, 12 months from now https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[00:12] <Cryovat> The solution is pretty easy raelly
[00:12] <Cryovat> *really
[00:12] <Monotoko> joepa, try to make a new account and see if it does the same
[00:12] <Cryovat> One launcher per screen
[00:12] <zetheroo> ohsix: true, hence why not accommodate both behaviours!?
[00:13] <ohsix> Cryovat: thats not far from the truth; you know netbook sales swamp notebook sales right? and notebooks beat desktop sales
[00:13] <joepa> Monotoko: good idea
[00:13] <Cryovat> But the Unity people seem to have a religious issue with that thought
[00:13] <Eathuz> !helpme | Sexygurl2furl
[00:13] <Cryovat> ohsix: I know, but
[00:13] <Soothsayer> Can two computers on the same network have the _same_ mac address ?
[00:13] <Sexygurl2furl> !repeat
[00:13] <progre55> hi guys. just upgraded to natty, but cannot install the flashplugin. getting this "flashplugin-installer depends on nspluginwrapper (>= <IP_ADDRESS>-2ubuntu1); however: Package nspluginwrapper is not configured yet." any suggestions please?
[00:13] <alien-007> hi guys,,in booting 10.4 LTS on Mac Ibook G4,,but installer stops in the keyboard option,,,i try many times and keep doing the same,,what can i do ?
[00:13] <Sexygurl2furl> !attitude
[00:13] <pp7_> Soothsayer: no
[00:13] <Cryovat> If you're designing a desktop environment for general use across all form factors, then you need to make it scalable
[00:13] <ohsix> zetheroo: you are one person, introduce a third with different experience from the first, accomodate all 3?
[00:13] <Sylphid> pylix, sorry was wrong 1.5 years
[00:13] <TerryBook> Soothsayer:  no.  MAC address is hardcoded into the network card
[00:13] <pp7_> Soothsayer: not unless u tell them to
[00:13] <zetheroo> ohsix: anyhow ... it's going to be ok ... just make me change my computing habits ... yet again :P
[00:13] <ohsix> zetheroo: take that to the possible number of all possible linuxusers
[00:14] <Cryovat> The Unity team seem like they just ignored scaling at all, and then at the end of the design process realized that someone might be running two screens
[00:14] <Monotoko> zetheroo, you should be used to it within a few days :P
[00:14] <xinel> okies the problem is with encryption with the alternative 64bit 11.04 install, works fine with raid and no encrypted drives :(
[00:14] <reeceb> anybody have an idea how to get around no DHCPOFFERS received?
[00:14] <Soothsayer> TerryBook, pp7_ : No I'm going to be setting the mac address manually (through some or other methods online).
[00:14] <kzman> to upgrade from 10.04 to 11.04, do i have to upgrade to 10.10 at first?
[00:14] <Omen_20> Anyone using Banshee 2.0?
[00:14] <Soothsayer> My ISP's login client is locked to a mac address!
[00:14] <nutsfornatty> cryovat: im sure someone will expand upon the basic unity configuration options. till then, we still have classic ubuntu as an option
[00:14] <ohsix> zetheroo: thats just to say, the important thing is you are advocating your preference, which is fine but not objective, and as stated already would lead to no change
[00:14] <Cryovat> Yeah
[00:15] <zetheroo> ohsix: look mate, there is nothing new or crazy about making your bleeding main menu customisable ... nothing new about that at all ... it's nothing complex either ... so it should be in here ... period
[00:15] <Cryovat> I'm sticking to Gnome 2
[00:15] <pp7_> Soothsayer: not sure how that will work, how will each machine know what packets are designated for it?
[00:15] <Cryovat> It just works better for my needs
[00:15] <crazed]psyc> hi, excuse me...
[00:15] <lucas> could someone propose which filesystem is best to use for casper-rw patition on a slow usb-stick?
[00:15] <TerryBook> Soothsayer:  sounds like your ISP has problems and you need to complain to them.  but MAC addresses need to be unique even moreso than IP addresses
[00:15] <[dlp]> entity: Ubuntu 11.04 has probably enumerated the drives differently for some reason... so /dev/sda1 could become /deb/sdb1
[00:15] <[dlp]> Use UUID's in fstab instead
[00:15] <Soothsayer> hmm...
[00:15] <crazed]psyc> is ath9k a proprietary driver?
[00:15] <ohsix> zetheroo: it's not about new, or being complex
[00:15] <Soothsayer> ye, true.
[00:15] <Cryovat> I just wish the Gnome team wouldn't have been so stubborn in regards to app indicators in Gnome 3
[00:15] <ohsix> zetheroo: it's about nobody freshly introduced to it, needing to do it at all
[00:15] <Cryovat> I'd have been sold on Gnome 3 with appindicators
[00:15] <entity> [dlp]: how do I do that? I dont have write access to anythng, even as root
[00:15] <Monotoko> crazed]psyc, I believe so
[00:16] <th0r> Soothsayer: you can set both computers to use the same mac, so long as only one is online at a time
[00:16] <crazed]psyc> Is there a FOSS replacement for ath9k?
[00:16] <nutsfornatty> cryovat: i like the indicator change. far too many apps put needless icons in the task bars
[00:16] <Cryovat> Yeah
[00:16] <Monotoko> entity, reboot in single-user mode
[00:16] <Cryovat> It's about time someone tackled it
[00:16] <entity> Monotoko: single-user mode?
[00:16] <bastidrazor> Soothsayer: then get a router that allows you to set its mac address
[00:16] <ohsix> i think a whitelist would have been a good start
[00:16] <zetheroo> ohsix: that's rubbish ... your saying that someone new to Ubuntu who uses Unity as their first desktop is not going to want to customise anything? rubbish
[00:16] <Monotoko> entity, hold on I have a command that will let you have write access again
[00:16] <Cryovat> Just a shame the Gnome team suffers from not-invented-here syndrome
[00:17] <nastjuid> crazed]psyc: check out madwifi
[00:17] <ohsix> zetheroo: you forget your a-priori information you carry from gnome
[00:17] <Soothsayer> bastidrazor: I do have that in place. But this ISP's login client won't be able to fetch that mac address anyway!
[00:17] <entity> Monotoko: this is my problem: http://paste.ubuntu.com/600504/
[00:17] <nastjuid> crazed]psyc: http://madwifi-project.org
[00:17] <ohsix> zetheroo: they will probably not even think about it
[00:17] <alien-007>  hi guys,,in booting 10.4 LTS on Mac Ibook G4,,but installer stops in the keyboard option,,,i try many times and keep doing the same,,what can i do ?
[00:17] <fermisan> why is shuttleworth such a faggot
[00:17] <[dlp]> entity: When you get the boot menu.
[00:17] <nutsfornatty> on the bright side, we are only going to gain customization options for unity from here forward
[00:17] <zetheroo> ohsix: I work with new Ubuntu users all the time ... I know what they go for right away ... they want to customise!!!
[00:17] <mnoyce> ninjai: You can also open multiple windows by clicking with the middle mouse button on the launcher icon.
[00:18] <ohsix> zetheroo: my mom uses classic but she doesn't know or care that she can change things
[00:18] <lucas> could someone propose which filesystem is best to use for casper-rw partition on a slow usb-stick?
[00:18] <[dlp]> entity: Remount read-write.
[00:18] <entity> Monotoko: the stuff in the paste i sent you occur directly after selecting the top ubuntu entry in the boot menu.
[00:18] <entity> [dlp]: I thought the problem is that / will not mount at all...
[00:18] <Chubcorp> I want to backup my system, how do I tell it to place the backup.tgz file on an external HDD? I'm newish.
[00:18] <commodore64th> My launcher and taskbar are missing, I can't use keyboard shortcuts liek alt-tab, and I can't resize or move any windows. Also, windows don't have borders... What do I do?
[00:18] <Monotoko> entity, do you only have one hard drive?
[00:18] <ohsix> zetheroo: you still have a special case; if you weren't arguing for your preference already it might even be notable
[00:19] <commodore64th> This is Ubuntu 11.04 beta 2
[00:19] <entity> Monotoko: yes.
[00:19] <zetheroo> ohsix: well your mom is one person ...and she is your mom ... I am talking about the new generation of computer-savvy people ... which far outnumber the rest
[00:19] <likki> Hi, my internet/browser on ubuntu 10.04 has been acting weird for the past couple of days. When I click on a link on google search, it would redirect me to google.com. Sometimes clicking a link on a webpage would redirect me to twitter. And sometimes it would give me a google 404 error. I cannot think of anything that might have caused this and this happens randomly. Any help?
[00:19] <ohsix> zetheroo: people aren't computer saavy, they're merely more familiar with some concepts
[00:19] <delu> Hi, I just switched to Natty today and I've noticed that when I switch between viewports/workspaces in Classic, my docks and my panels all move instead of just my windows, like they did in Maverick. How can I change this?
[00:19] <nutsfornatty> really computer savvy people dont want to waste time on customization. they want it to just work imo.
[00:19] <zetheroo> ohsix:  I am arguing for what I can see others are going to want ... based on having been putting newbies to Linux for over 5 years ...
[00:19] <Monotoko> entity, run fdisk -l
[00:20] <Monotoko> on the manual recovery
[00:20] <Monotoko> see what it says
[00:20] <ohsix> zetheroo: you find that the concepts change and you find some saavishy confused people
[00:20] <zetheroo> ohsix: the new generation are more computer savvy than my mom ... that is what I was referring to
[00:20] <ohsix> zetheroo: you are arguing for you, you want it,  you are saying you see other people want it to give you some sort of credit for having asked for it
[00:20] <Chubcorp> commodore64th, I had the same problem you have to run the window manager in a terminal, I just can't remember the name of it right now.
[00:21] <commodore64th> tartar sauce.
[00:21] <zetheroo> ohsix: yes, and some concepts don't change ... like the basic ones :P
[00:21] <Monotoko> entity,  if you need to edit the fstab to be correct, all you need to do is boot from liveCD and edit it
[00:21] <ohsix> zetheroo: like i said, "computer saavy" is an empty statement
[00:21] <leagris> where can I get the correct french/french 105k euro layout. All layouts available are false
[00:21] <TerryBook> ok.  this is ticking me off.  is there a way to revert to a previous version without completely reinstalling?
[00:21] <commodore64th> What happened is I was trying to change some settings in compiz-fonfig, then it disappeared all of a sudden.
[00:21] <Monotoko> TerryBook, what's pissing you off?
[00:21] <commodore64th> rebooting doesn't help.
[00:21] <Monotoko> the UI?
[00:21] <commodore64th> maybe I disabled it by accident?
[00:21] <ohsix> zetheroo: people aren't car saavy, they can just understand pedals and a wheel after some instruction,  you change the pedals or the wheel, they'll want what they know back
[00:22] <zetheroo> ohsix: well I see your speaking from your vast experience of having put your mom onto Linux ...so who am I to question THAT!? :D
[00:22] <nutsfornatty> switch to classic ubuntu instructions: go to login screen -> look at bottom panel -> change "ubuntu" to "ubuntu classic" -> login -> done
[00:22] <TerryBook> Monotoko:  no, I'm in gnome.  certain programs I use on a daily basis are now crashing every time I switch window focus
[00:22] <Monotoko> TerryBook, did you upgrade or reinstall?
[00:22] <TerryBook> upgrade
[00:22] <talntid> Commander1024: metacity --replace &
[00:22] <likki> Hi, my firefox browser on ubuntu 10.04 has been acting weird for the past couple of days. When I click on a link on google search, it would redirect me to google.com. Sometimes clicking a link on a webpage would redirect me to twitter. And sometimes it would give me a google 404 error. I cannot think of anything that might have caused this and this happens randomly. Any help?
[00:23] <ohsix> zetheroo: vast experience of people inflatingt themselves into "people" and insisting their not arguing poorly for their own ends, but the "peoples", you are deluding yourself
[00:23] <Monotoko> TerryBook, that could be the issue...first thing I'd do is create a new account
[00:23] <Chubcorp> commodore64th, it's called metacity run that in a terminal, and it should all reappear
[00:23] <commodore64th> Chubcorp, thanks; I'll try that.
[00:23] <[dlp]> entity: If your root partition wasn't mounted you wouldn't be able to read /etc/fstab
[00:23] <leagris> fucking wrecked french keyboard layout can not get the sharp symbol anymore
[00:23] <chotaz> Quick question, I was upgrading from Maverick to Narry, and my city went throught a complete blackout, now whenever I try to boot my ubuntu box it says the Hard drive is not ready or no present, I can keep waiting or Press S to skip mount and M to manual recovery, what should I do.
[00:23] <chotaz> Narry*
[00:23] <xinel> so anybody else trying encrypting all their drives with 11.04?
[00:23] <talntid> Chubcorp, lol. I beat you to it, but he gave you the credit. drats! :P
[00:23] <[dlp]> Or anything else, for that matter.
[00:23] <zetheroo> ohsix: yep ... as are you ;)
[00:23] <kbrosnan> likki: middle clicking on links?
[00:23] <Chubcorp> talntid, haha, winner!
[00:24] <talntid> Ah, I use the wrong nick, to tell him. darn autocomplete let me down! ahh!!!
[00:24] <TerryBook> Monotoko:  the program I'm having trouble with isn't installed system-wide, it's in my home directory
[00:24] <likki> kbrosnan: middle clicking?
[00:24] <Slimcea_boy> Why is #ubuntu+1 invite-only, and may I please be invited? I would like to ask some questions about the next release.
[00:24] <zetheroo> ohsix: your speaking for change without thinking of basic common sense ... like customisation ... that is hardly change for the better!
[00:24] <ohsix> zetheroo: i'm me, and my persona experience with my mother,i'm not oresuming to speak for untold numbers of people that happen to agree with what i'm trying to have done
[00:24] <nutsfornatty> likki: install chrome or chromium from the software center and see if your url clicks work properly there
[00:24] <Monotoko> Slimcea_boy, you'll need to be patient...they'll reopen in a week or two
[00:24] <kbrosnan> likki: using the middle mouse button
[00:24] <ohsix> zetheroo: common sense is a red herring, often used as a cudgel; like "you don't think like me"
[00:25] <Eathuz> I want to install Ubuntu on a partition of a harddrive I already "prepared" or rather made it already. Where should I install the bootloader? Should this be on the W7 partition?
[00:25] <nutsfornatty> likki: if they do, something screwed up your firefox install.. or like the others mentioned.. you are middle clicking
[00:25] <leagris> where is the sharp symbol on the new fr layout?
[00:25] <likki> kbrosnan: my links works some times on google chrome when it doesn't on firefox
[00:25] <Chubcorp> commodore64th, did it work?
[00:25] <likki> kbrosnan: is that the scroll wheel?
[00:25] <commodore64th> Chubcorp, yeah, but I still need my launcher...
[00:25] <kbrosnan> likki: yes
[00:25] <commodore64th> and taskbar
[00:25] <nutsfornatty> likki: make sure you are not shifting focus between multiple firefox tabs by accident
[00:25] <leagris> !french
[00:25] <ohsix> zetheroo: nobody has said it was change for the better, and without time nobody will know, it is merely different
[00:25] <Chubcorp> commodore64th, on the task bar?
[00:25] <zetheroo> ohsix: ok, well I gtg ... work and that ... good luck with all that ;)
[00:26] <commodore64th> my taskbar is missing and my launcher is missing
[00:26] <ohsix> zetheroo: i'm fine thanks
[00:26] <likki> kbrosnan: how can I fix it on firefox?
[00:26] <chotaz> Good night everyone. Quick question, I was upgrading from Maverick to Natty, and my city went throught a complete blackout, now whenever I try to boot my ubuntu box it says the Hard drive is not ready or no present, I can keep waiting or Press S to skip mount and M to manual recovery, what should I do.
[00:26] <george_> Good evening. I've tried to upgrade my distro, but there were some troubles. I'm currently stucked, due to the command sudo apt-get dist-upgrade results in the following http://pastie.org/1845252. Could someone help me to solve that? Thanks. Someone told me to run apt-get --ignore-hold dist-upgrade. Is that safe?
[00:26] <zetheroo> ohsix: yeah ... sure
[00:26] <Chubcorp> commodore64th, just add new panel and add everything, that's all I can think of to do.
[00:26] <skulltip> as long as the gui doesn't cramp my FPS-game playing ways, i'll be fine with 11.04
[00:26] <talntid> commodore64th: gconftool-2 -shutdown | gconftool -recursive-unset /apps/panel | rm -rf ~/.gconf/apps/panel | pkill gnome-panel
[00:27] <kbrosnan> likki: first I need to know if you are using the scroll button to click on links, else my suggestion is meaningless
[00:27] <ohsix> even post gnome-shell i'll be using the panels & nautilus, so i really couldn't care less
[00:27] <ohsix> unfortunately the panel or something like it is make or break for me
[00:27] <Chubcorp> I want to backup my system, how do I tell it to place the backup.tgz file on an external HDD? I'm newish.
[00:28] <Eathuz> When installing Ubuntu, which partition type should I use? And since I'm dual booting it with W7, should I install the boot loader on the same drive as the W7 boot loader?
[00:28] <likki> kbrosnan: I'm not using my scroll button to click on links
[00:28] <nutsfornatty> likki: the pages you are accessing when you click on urls, are they pages you have already seen? or are they new pages? (wondering if you are toggling your history urls by accident )
[00:28] <ohsix> Chubcorp: how do you tell what? you should try deja-dup, it's nice; and will start missed backups when you plug the backup volume back in
[00:28] <talntid> Chubcorp, mount the external hard drive. if it's already mounted, find out where by typing "mount" - then, just specify it's mount location when backing up.
[00:28] <ohsix> talntid: wat
[00:28] <triunity> Question, 11.04 is out, since it has a new gui, should i reformate or just upgrade?
[00:29] <todd_dsm> how would you use dpkg to show where the contents of a package were installed? I'm trying to find out what all get's installed with ldap-utils, and where.
[00:29] <likki> nutsfornatty: sometimes they are pages that i have already visited.
[00:29] <talntid> commodore64th, did that work?
[00:29] <commodore64th> talntid, it didn
[00:29] <commodore64th> t
[00:29] <bastidrazor> todd_dsm: dpkg -L packagename
[00:29] <talntid> what did it do/not do?
[00:29] <entity> [dlp]: Monotoko http://paste.ubuntu.com/600512/
[00:29] <nutsfornatty> deja dup is awesome
[00:29] <[dlp]> entity: Use blkid to find UUID.
[00:29] <ohsix> triunity: upgrades work, unity is like .001% of all of the gnome situation on natty; just use the classic session if you wish
[00:29] <commodore64th> I get an error: unknown option -recorsive-unset
[00:29] <talntid> recursive, not recorsive
[00:30] <commodore64th> whoops
[00:30] <entity> ok got the UUID of the partitions
[00:30] <acicula> Eathuz: eh the type should be Linux, the bootloader files go on the linux partition, but you can install the bootloader to the first disk
[00:30] <triunity> Ok... thanks for the heads up ohsix
[00:30] <commodore64th> actually, I did spell it right in the terminal
[00:30] <todd_dsm> bastidrazor: cool, that did it, thanks man.
[00:30] <Chubcorp> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=35087 I went here and when it says to go to the root of the filesystem, as in that's where it's going to put the backup, I don't want the backup there. It says cd/
[00:30] <bastidrazor> todd_dsm: you're welcome.
[00:30] <ohsix> likki: i'd check what extensions you're using, anything outside of firefox isn't going to do that
[00:30] <acicula> !dualboot| Eathuz look here as well
[00:30] <nutsfornatty> likki: sometimes? hum. make sure ask you click a url you do not see the url bar (where you enter the txt url like http... ) change or flash
[00:30] <ohsix> triunity: if you have compiz settings you want to migrate you will probably have to do it manually
[00:31] <entity> [dlp]: okay so I got the UUID for the partitions. What do I do with that?
[00:31] <commodore64th> BTW, talntid, I'm using Ubuntu 11.04
[00:31] <ohsix> triunity: since it's been updated to .9, and theres a migration thing but it misses about everything
[00:31] <talntid> try gconftool-2
[00:31] <nutsfornatty> likki: also make sure you are not accidentally hitting your keyboard keys as you mouse click
[00:31] <triunity> I have a netbook, pretty normal setup (though i use desktop edition because unity sucks in 10.10)
[00:31] <commodore64th> have to reboot...
[00:31] <[dlp]> entity: Replace /dev/sda2 with UUID=... in /etc/fstab
[00:32] <[dlp]> entity: Make sure it's the right partition!
[00:32] <commodore64th> does gconftool-2 run in GUI mode?
[00:32] <hypetech> is there a way to do full disc encryption with natty desktop?  I saw the option in server install, but not desktop
[00:32] <Chubcorp> ohsix, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=35087 I went here and when it says to go to the root of the filesystem, as in that's where it's going to put the backup, I don't want the backup there. It says cd/
[00:32] <ohsix> triunity: well they ditched mutter & made it a compiz plugin so it works a lot differently
[00:32] <ohsix> hypetech: ugh
[00:32] <likki> nutsfornatty: its not doing it now since it is usually random.. Sometimes it would give me a google 404 error. This problem would happen on google chrome also if i paste the link there.
[00:32] <hypetech> ohsix: ?
[00:32] <entity> delete "/dev/sda2"? and replace with "UUID=<big string
[00:32] <entity> F. accidently hit enter
[00:32] <acicula> hypetech: yes but you have to use the alternative installer
[00:33] <ohsix> Chubcorp: just use deja-dup; don't mess with stuff in the terminal
[00:33] <hypetech> acicula: ah, ty
[00:33] <acicula> hypetech: you can only setup encrypted home directories via the gui installer
[00:33] <[dlp]> entity: And could you paste /proc/mounts as well?
[00:33] <strigoi66> So I have a problem: I have a lucid server setup and serving html, I also am serving videos. The problem (can play videos in linux, but not windows.) The error is (missing plugin) I have searched all over, but could not find a plugin to play the videos in windows. Please point me in the right direction. I am a newb to ubuntu server.
[00:34] <entity> [dlp]: sure. could you paste what they SHOULD look like afterward?
[00:34] <ohsix> hypetech: have you assured physical security and taken into account all the other things you need to do to make encrypting everything even remotely worthwhile?
[00:34] <skulltip> in the upgrade, will my wireless networking/WPA password need to be reentered?
[00:34] <acicula> hypetech: theres a few pages about it on the ubuntu i think, its not too hard to setup but can be a bit of a hassle
[00:34] <[dlp]> entity: Yeah.
[00:34] <acicula> skulltip: nope
[00:34] <hypetech> ohsix: it's for my laptop
[00:34] <xinel> hypetech, haven't been able to get full disk encryption working with natty
[00:34] <ohsix> hypetech: encrypting everything is a bad idea, you ensure all the things stored in there are as either equally in need of securing, or equally worthless
[00:35] <xinel> hangs after grub
[00:35] <bashelina> is 15 gb enough to partition /   ??
[00:35] <ohsix> hypetech: if you just want to be cool and tell people stuff is encrypted i'd seriously advise against it
[00:35] <acicula> bashelina: should be
[00:35] <chotaz> Good night everyone. Quick question, I was upgrading from Maverick to Natty, and my city went throught a complete blackout, now whenever I try to boot my ubuntu box it says the Hard drive is not ready or no present, I can keep waiting or Press S to skip mount and M to manual recovery, what should I do.
[00:36] <ohsix> hypetech: segregate what is actually important to secure & assure its phsyical security
[00:36] <xinel> imo theres nothing wrong with total hdd encryption at all
[00:36] <tase> How do I take control of my home folder on an ubuntu install while on live cd ? I want to back it up to an archive
[00:36] <ohsix> xinel: there is lots wrong with it
[00:36] <TerryBook> oh great.  it doesn't crash in unity....but every time I switch window focus away from it in gnome it crashes
[00:36] <l1nfr4nk7> hey whats up, how does everyone enjoy 11.04?
[00:37] <skulltip> tase - try backintime, it's in repos
[00:37] <bashelina> I only got 60 gb total, so i dedicated 15 gb for / ...  is it sufficient ?
[00:37] <ohsix> xinel: like i said, you make everything asuseless or everything needing the same security measures, there is no halfway, and there is a lot that can happen that renders the encryption moot
[00:37] <hypetech> ohsix: that doesn't really help if I delete sensitive information without encrypting it
[00:37] <swatto> Whats the best way to upgrade to the latest version of ubuntu please? I tried but it says cannot get release notes?
[00:37] <yofel> bashelina: that's plenty
[00:37] <delu> anyone know how to lock down docks/panels when switching between viewports/workspaces in natty? In Maverick, just my windows moved
[00:37] <skulltip> lnfr4nk7 - think it's a love/hate relationship
[00:38] <tase> skulltip: uh isn't there a way to take ownership of the folder, I dont want to backup my ubuntu install, just this one folder; ive tried chmod and chown, and it doesn't work out
[00:38] <ohsix> xinel: an enitely encrypted drive is no better than an entirely unencrypted drive most of the time
[00:38] <xinel> ohsix, how do you figure that?
[00:38] <TerryBook> how do I get to growl in unity?
[00:38] <stefg> bashelina: even 10G will be enough
[00:38] <Loshki> bashelina: 15GB should be plenty. I don't recall seeing a / partition ever go over 10GB...
[00:38] <hypetech> in the case of a powered off laptop, full disc encryption is essentially fullproof in case of theft, which is my main concern
[00:38] <ohsix> hypetech: that doesn't help either, you had sensitive information on plain storage; that is already a mistake
[00:38] <skulltip> sudo chown -R folder name.name  ?
[00:38] <kyle__> hi all - i am after some help?
[00:38] <[dlp]> xinel: Don't get him started :D
[00:38] <bashelina> stefg, Loshki  ok thx
[00:39] <l1nfr4nk7> skulltip lol yeah i agree ... i rather stick with 10.10 ... been playing with Gnome 3 a bit too
[00:39] <commodore64th> does anyone know how to start the unity panel service?
[00:39] <tripelb> Not a sexy problem: When I am on filesystem A I cant copy files from filesystem B (no permissions). When I boot into filesystem B I cant even SEE filesystem A. 10.04
[00:39] <ohsix> hypetech: a token on your person with your encrypted information is 100% no fault in case of theft and _more_
[00:39] <nutsfornatty> of you are ok with the performance hit, full encryption is ok
[00:39] <xinel> [dlp], fair enough, been awake for 30 hours myself :P
[00:39] <acicula> hypetech: set a decent password and enable the encrypted home option, that should keep most people out
[00:39] <ohsix> hypetech: `if they have access to  you and your token themn they have access to the ecrypted volumes
[00:39] <chotaz> Good night everyone. Quick question, I was upgrading from Maverick to Natty, and my city went throught a complete blackout, now whenever I try to boot my ubuntu box it says the Hard drive is not ready or no present, I can keep waiting or Press S to skip mount and M to manual recovery, what should I do??
[00:39] <nutsfornatty> you would be better suited using truecrypt to encrypt only what you absolutely must protect imo
[00:39] <chilipep4> hi. after i log in to my system, i get only the desktop background picture, and i can move the mouse, but the buttons don't do anything
[00:39] <kyle__> how do you get help here?
[00:40] <sebsebseb> chilipep4: ok with Unity in 11.04?
[00:40] <chilipep4> how to deal with this? it was working fine for quite a while up until now
[00:40] <nutsfornatty> kyle: just ask :-)
[00:40] <acicula> kyle__: by just asking your question
[00:40] <Logan_> !ask | kyle__
[00:40] <bashelina> kyle__,  just ask a quiestion..
[00:40] <ohsix> acicula: how do you measure "most people"? you know most thefts are from people  you already know, and they might even know your password already
[00:40] <[dlp]> chotaz: You're in an awkward position.
[00:40] <NUSHOR> oh wow just a flood bot in here?
[00:40] <likki> How come I cannot upgrade to 10.10 from 10.04. In my update manager it does not show any updates after I clicked on "check".
[00:40] <acicula> ohsix:if you would like to discuss security with me do it in offtopic or ##security, not here
[00:40] <chotaz> [dlp]: how awkward is awkward?
[00:40] <chilipep4> sebsebseb: oh, actually, this is with either lucid or maverick
[00:40] <problemsnm> hi
[00:40] <sebsebseb> likki: since 10.04 only shows other LTS's by default, but yeah there isn't one
[00:40] <[dlp]> chotaz: Depends when the power failed
[00:40] <kyle__> ok, i think this is an old one but i am trying to run 11.04 from usb, i have got further than in the past - but it still wont work!
[00:41] <sebsebseb> likki: you can change the setting so it will show 10.10 as well, then go through that to 11.04
[00:41] <NUSHOR> acicula: here is a security risk for you:
[00:41] <NUSHOR> ?DCC SEND "hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh" 0 0 0
[00:41] <problemsnm> I'm trying to recompile network-manager, how can I do so?
[00:41] <delu> oh, does anyone know how to disable the floating scrollbars in 11.04?
[00:41] <FloodBot1> NOTICE - The above was an exploit attempt that may have disconnected some users. Please ignore it, or type « /msg ubottu exploit » for more information.
[00:41] <ohsix> acicula: i'd ask that you keep your baseless statements there as well. then
[00:41] <TerryBook> wth?
[00:41] <sebsebseb> chilipep4: clean install or?
[00:41] <Mahjongg> hello, I'd like to record a pronounciation from google translate. how can I record it?
[00:41] <chilipep4> sebsebseb: anyways, the only way i can get around it is to change the session to "xterm" instead of gnome.
[00:41] <likki> sebsebseb: how do I change the setting to show 10.10?
[00:41] <ohsix> hypetech: decide what is important, separate it, secure it
[00:42] <nutsfornatty> kyle__: usb booting was bugged during the betas. not sure if it has been fixed, wabi was also bugged for windows
[00:42] <Paolo_CT> HI there, the link to download the 11.04 Netbook version (Torrent) is broken
[00:42] <Paolo_CT> This is the link: http://releases.ubuntu.com/11.04/ubuntu-11.04-netbook-i386.iso.torrent
[00:42] <chotaz> [dlp]:  I don't really know, I was at the mall, and I only knew of the blackout because the entire more went out of light too. when I left home it had just started downloading the 1615 files it needed.
[00:42] <sebsebseb> ah yes thsi channel and the attacks!
[00:42] <mala85> What is the best way to install Gnome3/Gnome-Shell on 11.04? Is it to start with Kubuntu so as not to get into conflicts with Gnome2/Unity?
[00:42] <acicula> ohsix: please dont harass volunteers, recommending encrypted home and setting a good password is a perfectly acceptable recommendation
[00:42] <hypetech> ohsix: we'll have to agree to disagree in this particular instance, but I do appreciate your input :)
[00:42] <ohsix> hypetech: much like a gun without a lock won't be protected by your front door if it can just be kicked in
[00:42] <KNUBBIG> mala85: the PPA for gnome shell crashes Unity, true, so Kubuntu could be nice
[00:42] <sebsebseb> likki: look around for  the setting I guess
[00:42] <TerryBook> how do I access growl?
[00:42] <sebsebseb> !upgrade | likki
[00:42] <[dlp]> chotaz: You could probably recover the filesystem but the software will likely be in an inconsistent state.
[00:42] <sebsebseb> likki: also trying to upgrade to 10.10 and such now would be slow
[00:42] <sebsebseb> probably
[00:42] <cdavis> jiohdi: it says google chrome 32 bit does not match my amd64 system and won't install
[00:42] <chilipep4> sebsebseb: clean install -- just a couple of days ago.
[00:43] <kyle__> well at least i got it to boot from USB but seemed to hang on purple screen, beta 2 worked fine, updated itself and booted me into unity, cannot do it with fnal version
[00:43] <chotaz> [dlp]:  fresh install is my best way out?
[00:43] <sebsebseb> chilipep4: hmm maybe give 11.04 a try, or some other distro :D
[00:43] <happyface> blinking cursor after grub on new 11.04 (installed with alternative usb), what can I do?
[00:43] <[dlp]> chotaz: I would, probably.
[00:43] <mala85> KNUBBIG: Thank you.
[00:43] <[dlp]> chotaz: Use a liveCD to do a backup first (if you haven't already).
[00:43] <Mahjongg> how can I record some audio that is already playing on my system?
[00:44] <sebsebseb> mala85: ok you awnt Gnome Shell :)
[00:44] <commodore64th> talntid, gconftool-2 didn't work...
[00:44] <ohsix> acicula: it is not, unless you tell people they can lose access to their information if it is damaged or they forget their passphrase as well; or that i t essentially can't be changed without recreating the volume, there is a _lot_ with suggesting people ust encrypt everything with no regard to why, it is not free and often doesn't get them what they actually want either
[00:44] <sebsebseb> want
[00:44] <chilipep4> sebsebseb: oh. i've used ubuntu -- installed off of the very same disk -- without problems for about half a year now.
[00:44] <sebsebseb> mala85: you don't quite get the proper expereince with the Gnome 3 ppa, but if it works for you, should be good enough for now I guess
[00:44] <chotaz> [dlp]:  that really sucks, I was halfway through my final project.. oh wait, I just started using ubuntu as my main OS, never remember about live CD's [/freakoutmode]
[00:44] <happyface> blinking cursor after grub on new 11.04 (installed with alternative usb), what can I do?
[00:44] <acicula> ohsix: when people enable the encrypted home they get a big warning about just that and how to recover their data in case of problems
[00:45] <chilipep4> sebsebseb: i simply tried reinstalling -- worked fine until about the 4-th reboot, and now the "gnome" sessions won't work
[00:45] <KNUBBIG> sebsebseb: but using the PPA will crash Unity, so one should be careful with it
[00:45] <ohsix> acicula: does it tell them about changing their authentication information?
[00:45] <sebsebseb> mala85: ,but you  will probably have issues trying to load up Unity if you install it, like KNUBBIG is pointing out
[00:45] <mala85> sebsebseb: Hm. Maybe I will wait a few days - 'till the dust settles :)
[00:45] <chotaz> [dlp]:  just one side question, what's the right swap size?
[00:45] <sebsebseb> !gnome3 | mala85
[00:45] <mmjunaid> hi all
[00:46] <[dlp]> chotaz: There's no simple answer to that.
[00:46] <KNUBBIG> will break is more correct x)
[00:46] <ohsix> acicula: password rotation is going to do a lot more good with casual intrusions than an encrypted volume will, the volume will be mounted the entire lifetime of the machine being on, you can't unmount it
[00:46] <sebsebseb> mala85: http://askubuntu.com/questions/22946/how-do-i-install-the-latest-version-of-gnome-3
[00:46] <sebsebseb> mala85: no that's it now, 11.04 will only get security updates now
[00:46] <sgaap> if you dont want to use unity its safe to install the gnome 3 ppa
[00:46] <mmjunaid> just upgraded to ubuntu 11.04 on my desktop and now after i choose the os in Grub there is a blank screen and no disk activity...
[00:46] <chilipep4> sebsebseb: so, based on this, i'm sure it's a relatively trivial problem, but i'm not sure with what.
[00:46] <mmjunaid> please help me
[00:46] <ohsix> chotaz: if you want to hibernate, at least 2/3rds the ram you have
[00:46] <[dlp]> chotaz: How much RAM you got?
[00:46] <KNUBBIG> !ask | mmjunaid
[00:46] <Logan_> KNUBBIG: he already did
[00:47] <sebsebseb> mmjunaid: ok sounds like the upgrade gone wrong on you
[00:47] <KNUBBIG> oh sorry
[00:47] <acicula> ohsix: again i would like to suggest ##security or offtopic as the venue to continue this discussion
[00:47] <KNUBBIG> didn't see it
[00:47] <chotaz> [dlp]: 12GBs
[00:47] <Logan_> KNUBBIG: no problem
[00:47] <ohsix> chotaz: if you havelike 16gb of ram you can use less, since it won't all be in use :D
[00:47] <mala85> sebsebseb: The gnome3-team PPA will not be continuously updated?
[00:47] <Soothsayer> DCC exploit .. wtf :-|
[00:47] <sebsebseb> mala85: yes they will keep it up to date, it seems
[00:47] <ohsix> acicula: you cant make suppositions then not accept the answer & redirect
[00:47] <mmjunaid> yes,seems so, but i have clue after reading few google results,
[00:47] <Soothsayer> Kevin`: still around? got disconnected
[00:47] <JaymesKeller> Hi, I'm trying to access my NTFS RAID partition in 11.04. How do I get access into it from Ubuntu?
[00:47] <IdleOne> Soothsayer: don't do that. you can be k-lines from freenode for it :)
[00:47] <stefg> chotaz: if you plan on suspending your machine you need at least your ram size (plus some) . for the average modern machine (which rarely swaps) 1 G is usually enough
[00:47] <ohsix> it is plainly bad advice
[00:47] <[dlp]> chotaz: With that much RAM you don't really need swap unless you want to use hibernate.
[00:48] <KNUBBIG> JaymesKeller: did it work for you under 10.10?
[00:48] <sebsebseb> mala85: for the 100% full proper Gnome 3 expereince, wait untill 11.10 when it Ubuntu uses Gnome Shell,  or use another dsitro that has full Gnome 3 by default, but like I said if the ppa works for you, should be good enough for now really
[00:48] <mmjunaid> I have NVidia card and when i press the auto set button on the monitor, it say set a lower resolution
[00:48] <Kevin`> Soothsayer: pong
[00:48] <JaymesKeller> KNUBBIG: Yes, it did work under 10.10.
[00:48] <chotaz> [dlp]:  it's a lapop so yeah, hibernating is helpful.
[00:48] <[dlp]> chotaz: Or you're running something insanely memory-hungry.
[00:48] <chotaz> laptop*
[00:48] <sebsebseb> mala85: when Ubuntu uses Gnome 3 on the backend, I mean above, I typed wrong thing
[00:48] <Kevin`> Soothsayer: why would it end up being sda1? I would expect the windows c: partition to be sda1
[00:48] <ohsix> [dlp]: i always suggest at least 512m even if you have lots of ram;if only because there are pages in the vm that need never exist in memory in most cases & would just waste ram
[00:48] <Kevin`> Soothsayer: nor should you specifically change the numbers around (you'll confuse windows)
[00:48] <OrTigaS> while i'm browsing... suddenly appear if i want to upgrade! so i did!  lets see what will happen next!
[00:49]  * MC8 bashes the update manager
[00:49] <[dlp]> I usually suggest some as well.
[00:49] <mmjunaid> K
[00:49] <tase> why am i getting permission denied when trying to create an archive I files I own
[00:49] <mmjunaid> KU
[00:49] <nowherefast> hello
[00:49] <[dlp]> My machine has 3GB RAM, and used swap is almost always 0.
[00:49] <apprentice3d> hi
[00:49] <ohsix> [dlp]: also even memory hungry programs vary their access patterns, so theres no real rule of thumb, aside from hibernating :]
[00:50] <mmjunaid> KNUBBIG,  sebsebseb , any ideas please ??
[00:50] <sebsebseb> mmjunaid: clean install Ubuntu I guess
[00:50] <likki> Does 11.04 ubuntu version have a lot of bugs?
[00:50] <ohsix> [dlp]: mine is 3g, swap is usually 1-4g in use
[00:50] <mala85> Ok. Seems I need a test computer for Gnome-Shell on 11.04. Can't risk using it as the primary OS currently I guess :)
[00:50] <likki> I'm still not sure if I should download it.
[00:50] <sebsebseb> mmjunaid: or maybe simpalley  Grub is pointing to the wrong partition
[00:50] <ohsix> [dlp]: my working set is huge though, i really should get more ram
[00:50] <chotaz> [dlp]: ohsix: so I guess 4GB swap is more than enough? for my 12GB machine that is
[00:50] <nowherefast> would someone possibly be able to help me with a wifi related issue that I am having? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1742299
[00:50] <OrTigaS> haha.... 4hrs to upgrade  :)
[00:50] <sebsebseb> !grub2 | mmjunaid
[00:50] <[dlp]> chotaz: If Linux runs out of memory it will kill a random process.
[00:50] <Phong_> i have air conditioner tell me that it "Estimated Yearly Operating Cost is $208.  is that mean i turn my AC on 24/7 for the whole summer and cost only $208?
[00:51] <mmjunaid> hmmm, let me check if this is the case
[00:51] <[dlp]> chotaz: That is, when all RAM + swap space has been used.
[00:51] <ohsix> [dlp]: it's not random but it's close; and you can turn off overcommit
[00:51] <ohsix> (if it's a real concern)
[00:51] <Logan_> !ot | Phong_
[00:51] <[dlp]> in which case malloc() will fail instead.
[00:51] <ohsix> well, mmap
[00:52] <Mahjongg> how can I record some audio that is already playing on my system?
[00:52] <[dlp]> :D
[00:52] <ohsix> [dlp]: but in the program likely crossing the line ;] theres a middleground option too, for some overcommit
[00:52] <chotaz> [dlp]:  rebooting now with a live 11.04 usb stick. going to do a fresh install :(
[00:52] <nowherefast> easy way out
[00:53] <ohsix> chotaz: i'd make my swap at elast half with that much memory
[00:53] <chotaz> [dlp]: kinda disappointed to see same login interface and wallpaper :x
[00:53] <ohsix> chotaz: that way a failed hibernate is less likely to sneak up on you
[00:53] <nowherefast> does anyone know how to completely remove wifi drivers in ubuntu 10.10?
[00:54] <ohsix> (which SUCKS, unless you like a hot bag & really hot laptop)
[00:54] <KNUBBIG> any1 instantly knows how to disable join/quit messages in irssi?
[00:54] <calvin> I'm having a super weird problem.  I think it may have something to do with my networking settings.  I can scp, rsync, and git push / pull anything 1406 bytes or smaller, but once i hit that cap, i get a timeout...like it sends the first packet and poops out or something.  Is anyone willing to help me troubleshoot?
[00:54] <[dlp]> I never use hibernate.
[00:54] <ohsix> KNUBBIG: /window level -joins -parts
[00:54] <[dlp]> Only suspend.
[00:54] <KNUBBIG> ohsix: thanks
[00:55] <ohsix> [dlp]: hybrid suspend wakes up the laptop for a hibernate after a while, or when the battery gets to 3%
[00:55] <JaymesKeller> I'm having problems trying to get into my NTFS RAID partition under 11.04, when it worked under 10.10. Any ideas on how to do this?
[00:55] <ohsix> which is why, practically speaking; i use hibernate a lot
[00:55] <[dlp]> ohsix: Interesting.
[00:56] <ohsix> JaymesKeller: you probably have to install dmraid, rebuild your ramfs & reboot
[00:56] <mordof> oh how i dislike problems with grub.. *sighs* So i did the install to 11.04 from 10.10, and now grub is dropping me to a repair command line, do i need to get a 11.04 live cd to fix it? or can i fix it in my 10.10 live cd?
[00:56] <[dlp]> I don't use suspend much either. I don't think my laptop has ever gone into hibernation that way.
[00:56] <entity> wow that wasn't annoying.
[00:56] <ohsix> mordof: is grub doing it or is it a busybox prompt?
[00:56] <[dlp]> entity: What?
[00:57] <entity> [dlp]: http://paste.ubuntu.com/600519/
[00:57] <entity> [dlp]: I kept getting sent to #ubuntu-read-to
[00:57] <mordof> ohsix: what's a busybox prompt? lol
[00:57] <ohsix> [dlp]: i rely on keeping my work around heavily, like months of suspends & a few hibernates
[00:57] <mmjunaid> sebsebseb, fdisk -l shows that the sda6 is the linux partition and pressing e on the boot menu item shows like this, set root='(hd0,msdos6)' is that ok ?
[00:57] <ohsix> mordof: if it doesn't say busybox don't worry about it
[00:57] <stefg> mordof: ou can probably fix it from the lice CD if you are able to chroot into the installed system
[00:57] <mordof> ohsix: ok, then i guess it's not that.
[00:57] <commodore64th> does anyone know what the default window manager for natty is?
[00:58] <acicula> unity
[00:58] <mordof> stefg: yeah, just that grub got updated with 11.04, so i'm thinking there may be version problems
[00:58] <ohsix> commodore64th: compiz with the unity plugin
[00:58] <nutsfornatty> unity
[00:58] <sebsebseb> mmjunaid: I don't really know about configuring Grub 2 that much,  you may be better off re installing with 11.04, yep a clean install
[00:58] <commodore64th> do you know how I can reset my compiz settings to their default values?
[00:58] <lcb> mordof, can you get grub menu? (SHIFT after bios loading and before grub - then recovery)
[00:58] <ohsix> nutsfornatty / acicula: the _window manager_ is compiz
[00:58] <Ziber> Using compiz with multiple monitors, is there a way I can rotate them independently?
[00:58] <chotaz> swap should be primary or logical?
 does anybody know the command to get java on ubuntu
[00:59] <Sexygurl2furl> ?
[00:59] <mordof> lcb: grub tries to pop up - but fails to bring up the selectable menu
[00:59] <mmjunaid> i would have done a clean install already but i have many programs installed and dont have to do all the reinstallation, i have to finish projec work.
[00:59] <mordof> lcb: it drops me to a grup repair commandline thing
[00:59] <escott> mmjunaid, thats correct
[00:59] <ohsix> Ziber: not really, the workspaces are for allmonitors
[00:59] <alien-007> unable to mount 10GB filesystem   Error mounting:exited with code 18:Failed to write lock '/dev/sda1': Resource temporarily unavailable
[00:59] <mordof> lcb: so it's seeing Grub is there, but can't continue
[00:59] <lcb> mordof, did you try that sequence?
[00:59] <commodore64th> Sexygurl2furl, sudo apt-get install java
[00:59] <nastjuid> Sexygurl2furl: which java?
[00:59] <stefg> mordof: can you mount the installed system on the Live CD environment?
[00:59] <ohsix> Ziber: you can probably get by with sticking some apps in all workspaces though
[00:59] <alien-007> im booting on a mac ibook g4
[00:59] <calvin> join #ubuntu
[00:59] <mordof> lcb: no, but i thought it was essentially the same thing, since i've tried it in the past
[00:59] <Sexygurl2furl> I  need the web plugin
[00:59] <mordof> stefg: yeah
[00:59] <sebsebseb> !home | mmjunaid
[00:59] <Sexygurl2furl> and the latest java
[01:00] <sebsebseb> mmjunaid: you would still have to re install the programs though
[01:00] <commodore64th> check the java website out
[01:00] <stefg> mordof: so where have you mounted it?
[01:00] <lcb> mordof, probably not. try and say something after that
[01:00] <mmjunaid> and the worst is that my wife also uses the same pc with a mulitseat and now she also cant work :(
[01:00] <escott> mmjunaid, thats the old 10.10 syntax though, it is changed slightly in 11.04
[01:00] <mordof> stefg: i'm not sure i understand - grub was working perfectly before the update, i changed nothing
[01:00] <mordof> lcb: alright, i'll be back
[01:00] <sebsebseb> mmjunaid: right, and neither of you may like the Unity interface much that is in 11.04
[01:00] <[dlp]> entity: Make your fstab look like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/600524/
[01:00] <mordof> stefg: brb
[01:00] <nutsfornatty> switch to classic ubuntu instructions: go to login screen -> look at bottom panel -> change "ubuntu" to "ubuntu classic" -> login -> done
[01:01] <_stev_> hi, I'm installing natty and I have a problem with grub2 and lvm
[01:01] <sebsebseb> mmjunaid: for example
[01:01] <lcb> mordof, don't do anything you are not sure... just go to the recovery menu and cameback here
[01:01] <KNUBBIG> cool upgrade is taking about 3 hours to complete :@ that will be 5 am here ...
[01:01] <mmjunaid> can i somehow specify the device resolution at kerrnel boot line ? when i press the e key?
[01:02] <alien-007>  unable to mount 10GB filesystem   Error mounting:exited with code 18:Failed to write lock '/dev/sda1': Resource temporarily unavailable
[01:02] <lcb> KNUBBIG, it depends on your inter-speed ;)
[01:02] <_stev_> it is an encrypted disk and grub2 can't probe a disk for my lvm root partition
[01:02] <alien-007> cai manually mount a disk on terminal /
[01:02] <KNUBBIG> lcb: already downloaded, install is taking 3 hours
[01:02] <lcb> KNUBBIG, did you upgrade before the distro upgrade?
[01:02] <_stev_> error is: Autodetection of a filesystem of "/dev/mapper/my-lvm-root-partition" failed
[01:02] <ohsix> [dlp]: heres one of those special cases thatneed intervention, you want to help him? :D
[01:02] <KNUBBIG> lcb: yes
[01:03] <ohsix> acicula: ping, help _stev_
[01:03] <lcb> KNUBBIG, so you have loads of things installed :)
[01:03] <bastidrazor> mgison
[01:03] <[dlp]> ohsix: Who?
[01:03] <entity> [dlp]: how do I get my write rights back to do that?
[01:03] <KNUBBIG> lcb: seems true :p ~1900 packages to upgrade :D
[01:03] <lcb> KNUBBIG, not too much .. :0
[01:03] <bastidrazor> ]
[01:03] <bastidrazor> \\\\
[01:04] <bastidrazor> \
[01:04] <[dlp]> entity: Try mount -o remount,rw /dev/sda2 /
[01:04] <KNUBBIG> lcb: than it's just my 5400 rpm hdd I think (+ 1.8 ghz dualcore)
[01:04] <acicula> ohsix: ?
[01:04] <lcb> KNUBBIG, let it go, don't interrupt or you might get screwed
[01:04] <bastidrazor> \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\1~[01:05] <thebigroflz> hi guys, im new to ubuntu, and I need some help please
[01:05] <KNUBBIG> lcb: yes I'm afraid of that, probably will just leave it running while sleeping :)
[01:05] <entity> what in the world
[01:05] <lcb> bastidrazor, it seems you have a kb problem. just hit ALT+F4
[01:05] <kbrosnan> cat problem
[01:05] <entity> lol
[01:05] <KNUBBIG> thebigroflz: what's the problem?
[01:05] <[dlp]> lol
[01:05] <nowherefast> is anyone farmiliar with blacklisting drivers and would be able to help?
[01:06] <thebigroflz> I don't want to be asked to enter my keyring password everytime to enable the wireless, but the option is faded
[01:06] <kbrosnan> nowherefast: blacklisting drivers on what?
[01:06] <thebigroflz> like when I log back in, the "automatically unlock..." option is faded and cant be set
[01:06] <visual1ce> anybody used the upgrade feature to 11.04 from 10.10 in udpate manager?
[01:06] <entity> [dlp]: it returned my prompt.
[01:06] <lcb> KNUBBIG, yes. hopefully you don't have any pop-up prompts in meanwhile
[01:06] <nowherefast> kbrosnan: i am trying to uninstall my current wifi driver
[01:07] <[dlp]> entity: Good.
[01:07] <nowherefast> kbrosnan: so that i can install a new driver with ndiswrap
[01:07] <thebigroflz> anyone know how to fix/enable this?
[01:07] <entity> [dlp]: sweet write rights are back. thanks
[01:07] <KNUBBIG> lcb: I'll freak out if I get up and it still says 2h to go, do you want to do that and that ;D
[01:07] <kbrosnan> nowherefast: oh different drivers, was thinking video
[01:07] <[dlp]> entity: Be careful.
[01:07] <ohsix> thebigroflz: do you have ubuntu log you in without a password? if you do, it won't unlock the keyring for you automatically, and you'll get the joy of unlocking it for just about every access
[01:07] <lcb> KNUBBIG, just sleep well and don't have bad dreams about the end of the world :p
[01:07] <nowherefast> kbrosnan:from what i understand i need to blacklist the current wifi driver and uninstall the module
[01:07] <commodore64th> whew! deleting my compiz settings fixed all my worries.
[01:07] <KNUBBIG> oh but it probably will do as some config files etc from grub got modified :@
[01:08] <tamer> Need help with fixing this wireless problem after upgrading to 11.04. I can't view wireless connections using nm-applet, the drivers seem to be installed and the interface is up. Any suggestions?
[01:08] <mordof> lcb: tried.. i get this:  error: symbol not found: 'grub_env_export'.  grub rescue>
[01:08] <thebigroflz> ohsix, yes ubuntu logs me in automatically everytime. so theres no way to have both then?
[01:08] <nowherefast> tamer: you're probably having the same problem i am currently having
[01:08] <KNUBBIG> ah a question just came to my mind: Is it better to use the new config file, for example for GRUB, than my 'old', modified one?
[01:08] <nowherefast> tamer:have you tried connecting with wicd?
[01:08] <mordof> lcb: same as if i didn't hit shift (kept hitting to make sure it was getting the right time)
[01:08] <lcb> mordof, so you do really need the help of a live cd/usb
[01:08] <KNUBBIG> lcb: I'll try, thanks :)
[01:08] <tamer> nowherefast, nope, what do you mean?
[01:08] <mordof> lcb: *nods* but my question is, does it have to be 11.04 live, or can i use the 10.10 live i'm on currently?
[01:09] <ohsix> thebigroflz: but in this case in particular you can bypass the problem by setting "Available for all users" in the connection properties, it will make it a system connection and store the password somewhere else, and as a bonus it'll come up way before you log in :]
[01:09] <mordof> lcb: that's how i'm here now is the 10.10 live cd
[01:09] <nowherefast> tamer: type sudo apt-get install wicd
[01:09] <escott> thebigroflz, no if you want to tinker you could try and get a usb key to do your decrypting, but then you would have to take lots of stuff out of the encrypted partition http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2009/02/how-encrypted-home-ecryptfs-works.html
[01:09] <nowherefast> tamer: then open it and try to connect to a network
[01:09] <alien-007>  unable to mount 10GB filesystem   Error mounting:exited with code 18:Failed to write lock '/dev/sda1': Resource temporarily unavailable
[01:09] <lcb> mordof, sure because most of the system is now 11.04, isn't?
[01:09] <alien-007> how can i deal with that erroe ?
[01:09] <ohsix> nowherefast: um, don't tell people to install wicd
[01:09] <mordof> lcb: indeed.
[01:09] <entity> [dlp]: edited the file.
[01:09] <mordof> lcb: does the live cd come with the capabilities to burn a cd?
[01:10] <entity> [dlp]: still get the error
[01:10]  * mordof wonders how that would go with only one drive
[01:10] <[dlp]> entity: You reboote3d?
[01:10] <_stev_> ok, if anyone cares grub2 has a problem with lvm volumes with dashes, anyone knows how I can rename an lvm logical volume?
[01:10] <nowherefast> ohsix: it has worked for me in the past
[01:10] <ohsix> nowherefast: what wifi chip do you have? it sounds like you've gotten some awesomely bad advice
[01:10] <lcb> mordof, go easy with that. in meanwhile backup your /home /etc and /usr dirs
[01:10] <entity> [dlp]: yeah
[01:10] <stefg> alien-007: what type of file system is that?
[01:10] <nowherefast> ohsix: i have intel 3945abg
[01:10] <[dlp]> Um. Ok. That's weird.
[01:10] <KNUBBIG> Is it better to use the new 11.04 config file, for example for GRUB, than my 'old', modified one?
[01:10] <thebigroflz> ohsix, thank you, I found the option, let me test by rebooting
[01:10] <alien-007> im booting on a mac ibook g4
[01:10] <ohsix> nowherefast: no reason to keep repeating it, if theres a problem with networkmanager it should be fixed
[01:10] <lcb> mordof, yes, you could burn cd/s with it
[01:10] <entity> [dlp]: I'm just gonna reinstall maverick from CD and then try again.
[01:10] <alien-007> i honestly have no idea
[01:10] <nowherefast> ohsix: how i have the same problem using 10.10 on an eee
[01:11] <ohsix> nowherefast: are you using natty?
[01:11] <entity> because I dont have a Natty CD
[01:11] <mordof> lcb: o.o is it really that big an issue to need to back those up?
[01:11]  * [dlp] racks his brains
[01:11] <escott> KNUBBIG, depends on what kinds of mods you made
[01:11] <alien-007> i cant format neither
[01:11] <nowherefast> ohsix:no
[01:11] <shmoolikipod> how the hell do I set my old desktop back
[01:11] <nowherefast> ohsix: i forget the name but its 10.10
[01:11] <WhiteD> I have a moderate problem with a network upgrade from 10.10 to 11.04
[01:11] <shmoolikipod> Ubuntu 11.04 GUI sucks!
[01:11] <KNUBBIG> escott: colour + background changes, but other configs eg samba are somewhat more modified
[01:11] <ohsix> nowherefast: what problems are you having with the "current" drivers
[01:11] <ohsix> shmoolikipod: #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:12] <nowherefast> ohsix: i can view networks but i cannot connect to them
[01:12] <ohsix> shmoolikipod: this is a help channel
[01:12] <escott> KNUBBIG, i would just diff the two and take the parts you want
[01:12] <KNUBBIG> escott: okay, thanks
[01:12] <lcb> mordof, yes because you are having problems accessing the system. with a live cd you could access the partitions and backup what's necessary.
[01:12] <[dlp]> entity: You could run fsck on the drive, *DO NOT DO THIS IF THE FS IS MOUNTED READ-WRITE*
[01:12] <nowherefast> ohsix:i was able to connect one time, but it dropped
[01:12] <thebigroflz> ohsic, it worked!
[01:12] <escott> KNUBBIG, i think the biggest difference is that you can say sda instead of hd0
[01:12] <ozzloy> http://www.artima.com/shop/programming_in_scala_2ed anyone know if the ebook pdf from here is readable in linux?
[01:12] <alien-007> How can i know a disk filesystem ?
[01:12] <nowherefast> ohsix: i am not sure what driver i am currently using
[01:12] <ohsix> nowherefast: well it's a very windowsy thing to suggest to remove/reinstall drivers; the often have nothing to do with it
[01:12] <alien-007> im bootin 10.4 LTS live ppc
[01:12] <JaymesKeller> I'm still having trouble trying to access my NTFS raid under 11.04 I have looked at my packages and it seems that dmraid is already there. There are references to the RAID, but nothing useful.
[01:12] <WhiteD> Does anybody know how to force quit an upgrade I can't see?
[01:12] <entity> [dlp]: I'm not gonna risk it, I'm just gonna do clean install.
[01:12] <KNUBBIG> escott: okay, thank you
[01:12] <lcb> KNUBBIG, don't play with grub while upgrading... go to sleep :p
[01:13] <shmoolikipod> ohsix, so no one can help with the manus ? to get the old gnome look back ?
[01:13] <ohsix> WhiteD: never force anything you don't know how to fix manually
[01:13] <bastidrazor> alien-007: sudo fdisk -l
[01:13] <KNUBBIG> lcb: :D and then I'll wake up and my grub is destroyed *fears* :D
[01:13] <ohsix> shmoolikipod: pick the classic session on the login screen
[01:13] <acicula> shmoolikipod: you can select the ubuntu classic environment at the login prompt
[01:13] <lcb> lol, no
[01:13] <nowherefast> ohsix: ive exhausted all other options
[01:13] <shmoolikipod> ohsix, thanks :)
[01:13] <alien-007> bastidrazor: thanks
[01:13] <acicula> shmoolikipod: that should give you the old look
[01:13] <bastidrazor> alien-007: you're welcome.
[01:13] <WhiteD> ohsix: Yeah, well my upgrade to 10.10 stopped last night at 74% because my HDD spun down on my netbook. I can't do anything right now upgrade wise.
[01:13] <[dlp]> entity: If you've got a backup the risk is limited.
[01:13] <ohsix> JaymesKeller: if you scan manually with dmraid does it find the volumes?
[01:14] <nowherefast> ohsix: any ideas that are more linuxy? love to hear them : )
[01:14] <mordof> argh.. now i can't access my 1TB drive for some reason :\
[01:14] <[dlp]> entity: And if you don't then a clean install is riskier.
[01:14] <JaymesKeller> ohsix: How do you do that?
[01:14] <ohsix> WhiteD: why would that stop it, is it defective?
[01:14] <lcb> KNUBBIG, SHIFT before loading ubuntu and just hit 'update grub' on the recovery menu, just in case
[01:14] <KNUBBIG> lcb: thanks a lot
[01:14] <lcb> KNUBBIG, but don't worry about that now.
[01:14] <ohsix> JaymesKeller: "man dmraid" or dmraid --help in a terminal
[01:15] <alien-007> stefg: it says /dev/hdc1  Apple partition map Apple
[01:15] <WhiteD> ohsix: I have no idea. I waited 10 minutes for it to continue with installation, and I didn't see a thing move. Any suggestions? I've tried to upgrade to 11.04 but I can't because it says it is still running, which it is not.
[01:15] <entity> [dlp]: how so? If I wipe the partiton clean (because I backed up my stuff before even doing this) and then clean install on the partition...?
[01:15] <ohsix> nowherefast: well, remove all the changes you made trying to solve the problem for one
[01:15] <shmoolikipod> ohsix, I don't have an option to change the session type ...
[01:15] <JaymesKeller> ohsix: dmraid seems to be for software RAIDs, I have a hardware one.
[01:15] <KNUBBIG> lcb: I don't worry that much I think, it should all go well (says the optimist)
[01:15] <stefg> alien-007: so it's likely a hfs+ partition...
[01:15] <Ziber> My built in mic isnt working with ubuntu. Any ideas?
[01:15] <alien-007> can i format a disk on terminal
[01:15] <mordof> stefg: so what were you saying before? i have access to the filesystem
[01:15] <lcb> KNUBBIG, hehehe
[01:15] <[dlp]> entity: Then breaking your filesystem with a bad fsck is worth trying.
[01:15] <shmoolikipod> all I want is to get the old menus look and remove the side bar
[01:15] <escott> JaymesKeller, have you loaded the correct modules for your raid controller
[01:15] <usr13> alien-007: sudo
[01:15] <mordof> ugh this is annoying
[01:16] <ohsix> JaymesKeller: what controller?
[01:16] <alien-007> stefg: yes it says that
[01:16] <[dlp]> Because it won't take as long as a fresh install.
[01:16] <usr13> alien-007: Yes
[01:16] <nowherefast> ohsix: thats already done
[01:16] <ohsix> shmoolikipod: click on your name first, it's at the bottom
[01:16] <JaymesKeller> ohsix:  It is an nvidia raid controller.
[01:16] <[dlp]> entity: And the chances are it won't break your filesystem.
[01:16] <entity> [dlp]: okay so my computer is off. I'm gonna turn it on, it produces that error, I press M, then what?
[01:16] <ohsix> JaymesKeller: then it is not hardware
[01:16] <usr13> alien-007: mkfs
[01:16] <ohsix> nowherefast: how sure are you that it is?
[01:16] <shmoolikipod> ohsix, when I click on my name I get loged in automatically
[01:16] <shmoolikipod> :(
[01:17] <WhiteD> ohsix: I'd prefer not to do a clean install if that is what you are thinking. I don't have anything to back up my data with.
[01:17] <mordof> lcb: my 1TB drive is only accessible from user 1000 - i don't really want to change the permissions, otherwise it'll mess it up for my mount point once grub is fixed. can i temporarily get access to it somehow?
[01:17] <[dlp]> entity: cat /proc/mounts
[01:17] <Ziber> My built in mic isnt working with ubuntu. Any ideas?
[01:17] <stefg> alien-007:sudo mkdir /media/foo; sudo mount -t hfsplus /dev/foo /media/foo
[01:17] <entity> [dlp]: ok now what
[01:17] <escott> mordof, su to user with uid 1000
[01:17] <nowherefast> ohsix: i am not but all files that were edited were changed and i think reboot will change the modprobes
[01:17] <KNUBBIG> !lts
[01:17] <mordof> escott: ok
[01:17] <escott> mordof, or root
[01:17] <KNUBBIG> ah fine
[01:17] <lcb> mordof, a hint... the directories i told you, select Compress from nautilus. it would be easier that way to backup.
[01:17] <mlaci> hi guys! does the official natty installer supports full disk encryption or should i use the alternate installer image?
[01:17] <JaymesKeller> ohsix:  I thought it was hardware-based. Not sure why it would be software based, but still, dmraid finds them. So the next step is to get it mounted.
[01:18] <mordof> lcb: i don't need to worry about that, i just want to get access to my other hard drive
[01:18] <[dlp]> entity: then fsck /dev/device-by-uuid/...
[01:18] <escott> mordof, 1000 is by default the first non-root user on the system
[01:18] <ohsix> WhiteD: there are logs generated during the install, you could look at those
[01:18] <lcb> mordof, after repairing or anytime?
[01:18] <WhiteD> ohsix: Ok, how do I do that?
[01:18] <[dlp]> entity: I am assuming the fs is mounted read-only. It's very important that it is.
[01:18] <ohsix> WhiteD: open a terminal then look in /var/log/dist-upgrade/
[01:18] <escott> JaymesKeller, its "soft-raid" you can read lots of cursing about that online
[01:19] <ohsix> WhiteD: err nevermind that
[01:19] <mordof> lcb: my /home is on a seperate partition to begin with, and i can move /usr and /etc to different partitions as well
[01:19] <mordof> lcb: i'll do that after this is repaired
[01:19] <WhiteD> ohsix: o_O uhhh ok? ha
[01:19] <stefg> mordof: if you can mount the file system you can chroot to it. this makes it possible to reinstall grub from within the chroot'ed system
[01:19] <nowherefast> ohsix: from what i have read besides driver issue it could be a bluetooth issue (solved using rfkill) application issue (wicd vs network manager) or id issue (not displaying in iwconfig) and its not so i must assume its a driver or driver conflict
[01:19] <ohsix> WhiteD: for installs theres a different location & i don't remember it offhand
[01:19] <lcb> mordof, oh, ok then
[01:19] <kavurt> i have beta2 installed. but today, i have no updates. what might be wrong. i tried a couple different mirrors. all are the same.
[01:19] <entity> [dlp]: what are the dots oh and it IS IN READ-WRITE
[01:19] <stefg> mordof: you should read dmesg
[01:19] <ohsix> nowherefast: well trying wicd instead of networkmanager doesn't tell you anything
[01:20] <mordof> stefg: ah, right.. 20 mins until my live 11.04 is done since it seems 10.10 is kinda risky
[01:20] <Falcorian> I've got a quick question about the installer for 11.04, 64bit, off of a live USB. The partition editor doesn't seem to be able to set user specified mount points. Am I missing something or was this feature removed?
[01:20] <[dlp]> Are you sure?
[01:20] <escott> !final | kavurt its been pretty quiet on release day
[01:20] <[dlp]> entity: ^^^
[01:20] <ohsix> nowherefast: wicd gets less eyes, i trust it a lot less than n-m
[01:20] <entity> [dlp]: not to worry, I have not executed any commands besides cat
[01:20] <Ziber> What packages might I need to install to get a built in mic working?
[01:20] <ohsix> nowherefast: try and connect with n-m, then grep -i networkman /var/log/syslog
[01:20] <cmykify> system monitor says my CPU(s) are running at 100% after i install 11.04, but the processes show 4-10% load. What's using up the rest?
[01:21] <escott> Ziber, its part of alsa
[01:21] <[dlp]> entity: fsck will print a big fat warning anyway
[01:21] <escott> Ziber, is this the same problem from 2 days ago?
[01:21] <ohsix> nowherefast: it's very noisy about what it does, if you can't figure it out paste the output to a pastebin
[01:21] <entity> so how do I mount in readonly
[01:21] <mordof> stefg: and what would i be looking for in there?
[01:21] <JaymesKeller> I hope I'm on the right track here. I have found that mdarray knows that my RAID exists, but now I want to mount it. Would mdadm be needed? Or something else?
[01:21] <[dlp]> entity: If you just rebooted, you should be read only already.
[01:21] <ohsix> cmykify: try running something like htop in a terminal, it shows more information
[01:22] <bikcmp> are ubuntu's servers going unusually slow today?
[01:22] <entity> [dlp]: I just tried to nano a txt file and it didnt warn me about no write privs
[01:22] <alien-007> stefg: sudo mkdir /media/foo; sudo mount -t hfsplus /dev/foo /media/foo worked for me,,thanks a lot buddy ;)
[01:22] <usr13> bikcmp: Yes
[01:22] <WhiteD> Does anybody know where to check the upgrade logs? not finding anything on google.
[01:22] <Pici> bikcmp: not unusual for a release day.
[01:22] <[dlp]> entity: What did the cat say?
[01:22] <bikcmp> usr13: ideas why? my mirror seemed to crawl
[01:22] <bikcmp> Pici: release day?
[01:22] <[dlp]> entity: And what error did you get this time?
[01:22] <nowherefast> ohsix: thanks, the meat and potatos seem to be associating -> disconnected
[01:22] <entity> [dlp]: oh just kidding i'm in readonly
[01:22] <escott> JaymesKeller, is mdarray part of mdadm or dmraid (they are different)
[01:22] <usr13> bikcmp: 11.04 came out today.
[01:22] <bikcmp> oh.
[01:22] <erik333> hm... this new gnome thing... how do you move the panels or config anything? None of the shortcuts include gnome configuration utilities XD
[01:22] <Pici> bikcmp: 11.04 was relased today. Or yesterday depending on your timezone
[01:22] <bikcmp> figures :P
[01:23] <nastjuid> bikcmp: you could find a closer/faster mirror
[01:23] <nowherefast> ohsix: it gives the reason as 0
[01:23] <entity> [dlp]: the cat said meow. no seriously, it looks the same as last time
[01:23] <escott> erik333, in unity you don't thats the whole idea :)
[01:23] <stefg> mordof: often there's hints in this why you can't access a filesystem
[01:23] <mordof> i guess i'll just wait for any more questions until i get on the 11.04 live cd
[01:23] <mordof> stefg: everything mounts fine, i can access the file systems
[01:23] <FloatingGoat> what is the unity project called?
[01:23] <ohsix> nowherefast: indeed, you know those cards have problems with wmm/qos/power saving and some other things, do you have them enabled on your router?
[01:23] <mordof> stefg: this is a grub problem..
[01:23] <erik333> so this is a good time to switch to a tiling wm then i guess
[01:23] <JaymesKeller> escott: I meant dmarray. It has found my RAID, so 11.04 knows it exists.
[01:23] <ohsix> FloatingGoat: ayatana?
[01:23] <mordof> stefg: a grub configuration problem at that, because grub is still accessible
[01:23] <JaymesKeller> escott: Now I need to know how to get it mounted.
[01:23] <Falcorian> Answering my own question: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/769043 Known bug :-/
[01:24] <[dlp]> entity: Can you paste the line with /dev/disk/by-uuid on it?
[01:24] <chotaz> Ew. first impression of Unity, it sucks :\ How can I completly remove it?
[01:24] <stefg> mordof: is your installed system mounted now?
[01:24] <escott> JaymesKeller, dmarray would be part of dmraid not mdadm. i'm not familiar with device-mapper
[01:24] <erik333> was using awesome + gnome panel now to ease the transition, but that stopped working after upgrade
[01:24] <nowherefast> ohsix: do i have power saving enabled on my router? i don't think so
[01:24] <ohsix> chotaz: use the classic desktop session, pick it on the login screen
[01:24] <cmykify> ohsix: kthnx back in a  minute
[01:24] <nowherefast> ohsix: yeah it looks like it gets to stage 3 of 5 then disconnects
[01:24] <chotaz> ohsix: no way to uninstall it and have my comp running just like before the update?
[01:25] <mordof> stefg: yes
[01:25] <ohsix> nowherefast: post the output to a pastebin please
[01:25] <FloatingGoat> is there a command to open the dash in unity 2D?
[01:25] <mordof> stefg: both my /home and my / are mounted at the moment
[01:25] <WhiteD> ohsix: this is what keeps popping up: Cannot get the exclusive lock on the packaging backend.
[01:25] <WhiteD> Please close any other legacy packaging tools that may be open.
[01:25] <JaymesKeller> escott: dmraid knows it's there. What command do I use to mount the array?
[01:25] <entity> [dlp]: /dev/disk/by-uuid/87d334b4-9a16-4621-967a-5f74491dd9e4 / ext4 ro,relatime,barrier=1,data=ordered 0 0
[01:25] <stefg> mordof: so where is it mounted ( ls /media )
[01:25] <ohsix> chotaz: not if you installed it, theres a lot more than unity in play, just use the classic session
[01:25] <escott> JaymesKeller, see man dmarray i don't know it
[01:25] <entity> lol I will have my UUIDs memorized after tonight... :\
[01:25] <[dlp]> entity: It's read only, you can fsck it.
[01:26] <ohsix> WhiteD: are you running apt-get or synaptic, or aptitude or anything at the same time?
[01:26] <entity> okay
[01:26] <WhiteD> I doubt it. Not to my knowledge.
[01:26] <[dlp]> entity: fsck might still complain it's mounted, but just ignore it.
[01:26] <mordof> stefg: it is under /media/166 GB Filesystem
[01:26] <entity> [dlp]: what's the whole fsck command
[01:26] <chotaz> ohsix:  I never had the chance to choose not to install it
[01:26] <ohsix> entity: mount understands UUID=<uuid> for the volume name, no need to use that path
[01:26] <WhiteD> ohsix: Sorry; ha not to my knowledge
[01:26] <[dlp]> fsck /dev/disk/by-uuid/87d334b4-9a16-4621-967a-5f74491dd9e4
[01:26] <escott> JaymesKeller, and if it follows standard terminology you would assemble it and then mount a device /dev/dmarray1 or some such
[01:26] <tamer> nowherefast, worked, thanks! What's the problem with nm-applet anyways, any ideas?
[01:27] <ohsix> WhiteD: ok 1 sec, theres a quick way to check
[01:27] <TerryBook> can anyone tell me how to get growl notifications in natty?
[01:27] <nowherefast> ohsix: the contents can be found in the final reply in my thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10734573#post10734573
[01:27] <WhiteD> ohsix: this is what I meant by forcing them to quit...
[01:27] <nowherefast> tamer: glad it worked, couldn't tell you honestly why it works : P
[01:27] <stefg> mordof: get a terminal and type 'ls /media'. i think the real mountpoint is some lenghty number dir in /media
[01:28] <ohsix> WhiteD: fuser -v /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[01:28] <mordof> stefg: as always, that's the uuid of the drive
[01:28] <Soothsayer> I did a sharink on two separate drives to make space fo Ubuntu..but the two Unallocated spaces are not contiguous, how do I achieve that ?
[01:28] <Soothsayer> shrink*
[01:28] <mordof> stefg: /media/3d8dc5b8-b2d8-4172-ac62-7b27f327cb45
[01:28] <cmykify> ohsix: htop says the same. I add up all active processes and it's 13% cpu load. Htop says 100% on both cores, also. ??
[01:28] <ohsix> nowherefast: as a rule i don't trouble myself with forums, but i'll make an exception this time; please use paste.ubuntu.com in the future
[01:28] <stefg> mordof: so cd to that dir
[01:28] <WhiteD> ohsix: that did nothing.
[01:29] <JaymesKeller> Okay, does anyone know how to assemble and mount the software RAID array I have?
[01:29] <ohsix> cmykify: it says at the top where its's being used
[01:29] <conical> easy question: I
[01:29] <Pici> conical: Wow, that is easy.
[01:29] <conical> I'm ssh -x ing into my ubuntu box
[01:29] <lcb> conical, and short
[01:29] <ohsix> cmykify: be sure to run it w/ "sudo htop" as by default it only shows your usere & no kernel threads
[01:29] <cmykify> ohsix: yeah, top process is Compiz at 7%
[01:29] <conical> but can't open folders that requre root access
[01:29] <[dlp]> entity: What happened?
[01:29] <chotaz> ohsix:  the only thing i can choose at the login is the user, nothing to choose unity or not is here. help?
[01:29] <conical> normally i'd be prompted to enter my password
[01:30] <erik333> so, are there any advantages to the unity dektop thing? I'm trying really hard to think of one. It's like it was meant for tablet PC:s
[01:30] <cmykify> ok i'll go sudo 1 sec
[01:30] <mordof> stefg: ah, can't - no root perms
[01:30] <hiexpo> hola Pici
[01:30] <Pici> hiexpo: howdy
[01:30] <ohsix> chotaz: choose the user, then look at the bottom
[01:30] <mordof> stefg: need to root into it, but i don't remember how :\
[01:30] <sebsebseb> erik333: well yeah it was made for netbooks only to begin with
[01:30] <escott> conical, you have put sudo in front of the command
[01:30] <ohsix> erik333: and netbooks, they outsell notebooks, and notebooks desktops
[01:30] <entity> [dlp]: fsck from util-linux-ng 2.17.2 e2fsck 1.41.12 (17-May-2010) /dev/sda2: clean, 449495/1525920 files 5429183 blocks (check after next mount)
[01:30] <conical> yes, I know that, but it's in a shell
[01:30] <conical> i mean
[01:30] <conical> it's in the gui
[01:30] <mordof> stefg: ah, got it
[01:30] <ohsix> WhiteD: ok then that message is wrong or not the real error
[01:30] <conical> so a better question
[01:30] <escott> conical, then gksudo
[01:31] <mordof> stefg: i'm rooted into it
[01:31] <cmykify> ohsix: Still just compiz at 7% in htop (sudo)
[01:31] <[dlp]> entity: Then it should have mounted in the first place.
[01:31] <entity> [dlp]: but it's not.
[01:31] <stefg> mordof: when you are at the root of the installed system you need to bind-mount /proc /sys and /dev, and then chroot into it
[01:31] <Pici> conical: I find it useful if I need to use ssh -x to have it open a terminal (gnome-terminal maybe) first, and then run any other application I need from there.
[01:31] <Soothsayer> I did a shrink on two separate drives to make space fo Ubuntu..but the two Unallocated spaces are not contiguous, how do I achieve that ?
[01:31] <WhiteD> ohsix: hang on think I found an answer. http://bit.ly/imR2UK
[01:31] <ohsix> cmykify: the cpu usage bar at the top is one solid color?
[01:32] <mordof> stefg: ah, yeah - i found that in a post here to repair it
[01:32] <stefg> mordof: if you did not -bind-mount /dev it's useless
[01:32] <conical> okay, is there a way to enable the gnome session to view the locked drives?
[01:32] <Blue1> !md5sum
[01:32] <conical> mount?
[01:32] <mordof> stefg: will this process work if i'm in 10.10 live?
[01:32] <Spaz_Dynamic> !ati
[01:32] <Blue1> useless
[01:32] <ohsix> WhiteD: that is very old information, even if it was correct at the time, be careful
[01:32] <eigba> I think I like unity, how is everyone else taking it?
[01:32] <mordof> stefg: i'm worried it'll just revert grub to it's older version
[01:32] <nowherefast> ohsix: do you think installing a new driver would solve the problem?
[01:32] <Spaz_Dynamic> there we go, forgot where it was. thanks ubottu
[01:33] <ohsix> nowherefast: you haven't identified a problem yet, just a symptom
[01:33] <asteriskmonkey1> how the heck do you get rid of the anoying left nave bar in unbuntu 11
[01:33] <erik333> aha! the shutoff buttton had a link to the config center... maybe there is hope for gnome yet - they knew exactly where people would look first when they started unity
[01:33] <Quasi_> hello I just installed 11.04 but my nvidia drivers is "currently not in used". I did reboot in a recovery console, purge nvidia-common and reinstall it but it still doesn't work. Any idea ?
[01:33] <kaiyin> what is the best gui backup tool for ubuntu?
[01:33] <nowherefast> ohsix: the problem is i cannot connect to any wifi networks
[01:33] <escott> conical, add them to /etc/fstab
[01:33] <WhiteD> ohsix: is there a Kubuntu sub channel or other channel?
[01:33] <cmykify> ohsix: yes, solid white/teal, why?
[01:33] <Pici> WhiteD: #kubuntu :)
[01:33] <eigba> erik333, I take it your not liking unity?
[01:33] <escott> conical, otherwise you have to get a daemon like gnome-disk-utility to handle hotplug events
[01:33] <KNUBBIG> !kubuntu | WhiteD
[01:34] <WhiteD> Pici: Shanks!
[01:34] <sebsebseb> Quasi_: ok yeah, and does Unity freeze on you as well?
[01:34] <ohsix> cmykify: because it shows 4 types of information, irqs and stuff
[01:34] <WhiteD> #kubuntu
[01:34] <entity> [dlp]: yeah it's giving me the original error with / not being ready or present. I really think I'm just gonna clean install
[01:34] <ohsix> WhiteD: good luck with kde guys D:
[01:34] <Quasi_> sebsebseb  not for the moment, but the fan is running at top speed all the time
[01:34] <[dlp]> entity: Fair enough.
[01:34] <WhiteD> ohsix: thanks, will try
[01:34] <ohsix> nowherefast: have you tried the backports?
[01:34] <Blue1> is this the correct page for the md5sums?  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/current/MD5SUMS
[01:35] <nmaxchat> to connect Laserjet1018 to PC via Linksys+WUSB11+Wireless‑B ?
[01:35] <sebsebseb> Quasi_: than fan issue is probably something else, hardware issue or whatever
[01:35] <stefg> mmiller235: in case you are still interested... i've build and exported a natty appliance which works on my box... you can d/l that at http://ubuntuone.com/p/pEp/
[01:35] <[dlp]> entity: I'm defeated.
[01:35] <gksmithlcw> I'm running Ubuntu Server 10.04, trying to install ffmpeg. I'm having nothing but problems. Currently, I'm trying to install nasm through apt and it's telling me it's not available.
[01:35] <gksmithlcw> Any ideas?
[01:35] <nowherefast> ohsix: are you talking about sudo apt-get install linux-backports?
[01:35] <entity> [dlp]: thank you very much for your time and help no matter. :D
[01:35] <nowherefast> ohsix: if so no
[01:35] <sebsebseb> Quasi_: altough I guess a quick test, could be to log out now,  get the log in screen, open up Ubuntu Classic Desktop, and see if the fan is ok then
[01:35] <fuzzybunny69y> hey everyone! How do you upgrade from the 11.04 alpha/beta releases to the final release?
[01:35] <ohsix> nowherefast: well with the proper package name, but yes
[01:35] <Quasi_> sebsebseb I think because the lack of the driver the cpu is more used, so the fan speeds up
[01:35] <sebsebseb> !upgrade | fuzzybunny69y
[01:36] <ohsix> nowherefast: are you sure it's any wifi and not one particular router?
[01:36] <sebsebseb> Quasi_:  and what card you got?
[01:36] <sebsebseb> graphics
[01:36] <erik333> @eigba Not a lot, soz. Panels i can't move, huge icon shortcuts and no menu :( and the run command thingy covers 25% of the screen - a bit overkill on 27" screen XD
[01:36] <ceed^> Hi, when I log (natty) there's no Skype notification icon, only an open space where it should have been. If I kill Skype and open it again the notification icon appears. Any idea why it's not there when I log in?
[01:36] <Quasi_> sebsebseb nvidia 8600 gts
[01:36] <ohsix> erik333: there is no panel in unity
[01:36] <cmykify> ohsix: I don't know what that is. The color should tell me something?
[01:36] <sebsebseb> Quasi_: ok and so the propritary driver it says isn't installed?  or it is installed, but not activated?
[01:36] <Quasi_> sebsebseb installed but not activated
[01:36] <nmaxchat> How  to connect Laserjet1018 to PC via Linksys+WUSB11+Wireless‑B ? I saw something about a prism driver but how do I get it ?
[01:36] <nowherefast> ohsix: i have tried with 3 networks on 3 diff routers and my eee has the same problem on 10.10
[01:37] <ohsix> cmykify: it is not displaying as i expected, if it were it would show whats doing it
[01:37] <sebsebseb> Quasi_: yeah I had this kind of stuff with beta 2, but
[01:37] <Seedymac> Hi guys, is aptitude deprecated?
[01:37] <sebsebseb> Quasi_: in my case Unity would freeze if the propritary driver was used, but if I removed the propritary driver and installed the experimental 3D driver, Unity would work
[01:37] <ohsix> nowherefast: but your eee doesn't have an intel wifi chip, theres another problem
[01:37] <cmykify> ohsix: ok, any other utils or info dumps I can do to figure it out?
[01:37] <erik333> ohsix: well there are some panel-like grey strips where panels normally might be... and they hold volume controls and clocks
[01:37] <sebsebseb> Quasi_: so if you try the experimental 3D driver, things may work better for you
[01:38] <ohsix> erik333: yea, it's only superficially similar
[01:38] <nowherefast> ohsix: definately other problem
[01:38] <sebsebseb> !pm > Quasi_
[01:38] <ohsix> nowherefast: so changing your drivers would do what exactly?
[01:38] <stefg> Actually that might be useful for anyone running virtualbox: Premade natty appliance (with 3D and unity)  at http://ubuntuone.com/p/pEp/
[01:39] <ceed^> If anyone have ugly boot after installing the non-free nvidia driver install startupmanager and set your resolution and color depth. after that it looks good.
[01:39] <nowherefast> ohsix: ive read different drivers are different quality with many wifi cards in ubuntu
[01:39] <Quasi_> sebsebseb  how can I install it (I'm a noob sorry)
[01:39] <ohsix> nowherefast: things to check: if its wireless g/n, make sure b interop is on even if you're not using b, disable wmm, disable wireless power savings
[01:39] <asteriskmonkey1> can i get my old gnome back im hating ubuntu 11.04
[01:39] <fuzzybunny69y> Hey guys I am trying to  upgrade from Ubuntu 11.04 Alpha/Beta to the final and it keeps saying "Not all updates can be installed" and to run a partial upgrade. Should I do this or is there some other way to make sure I upgrade to the final release.
[01:39] <nowherefast> ohsix: for example the highly variable outcomes of madwifi vs ath9k vs ndis + windows in transfer speeds, etc
[01:39] <ohsix> nowherefast: there aren't different drivers practically speaking, there is one, and less good options, like madwifi, vendor drivers or ndiswrapper
[01:40] <nowherefast> ohsix: how do i disable power saving?
[01:40] <ceed^> asteriskmonkey1, log into ubuntu classic instead. that's the old gnome deskto
[01:40] <ohsix> nowherefast: separate concern, and the mainline one will be fixed some day
[01:40] <Quasi_> sebsebseb where can I get the experimental driver and how to install it ?
[01:40] <ceed^> *desktop
[01:40] <sebsebseb> Quasi_: I assume this is the same Beta 2 and the final, so  going by what I ddi with Beta 2.  got to remove the propritary driver,  in additional drivers yeah,  and then after you done that may have to re boot the computer first, but should then have an option for an experimental 3D driver showing that you can then install
[01:40] <asteriskmonkey1> ceed how do i do that?
[01:40] <ohsix> nowherefast: you need to open your routers management pages, it has loads of options
[01:41] <Quasi_> sebsebseb thanks a lot for your help, will try that
[01:41] <sebsebseb> Quasi_: and hold on
[01:41] <nowherefast> ohsix: ah... yeah, disabled
[01:41] <ceed^> asteriskmonkey1, log out, click on your name in gdm, then select classic from the meny on the bottom of the screen
[01:41] <sebsebseb> Quasi_: and if you do this, and for some odd reason, you find that Unity is completly broken
[01:41] <asteriskmonkey1> ceed thanks
[01:41] <sebsebseb> Quasi_: log into Ubuntu Classic Mode (no effects)  and install the propritary driver again I guess
[01:41] <sebsebseb> Quasi_: from the log in screen
[01:41] <eigba> asteriskmonkey1, I wish they would of went with gnome3
[01:42] <asteriskmonkey1> eigba ,the more i read about the side bar i see that alot..
[01:42] <Quasi_> sebsebseb ok will do that. Last question : I have 2 Nvidia drivers (173 & current) Should I uninstall both ?
[01:42] <ceed^> asteriskmonkey1, I also hated Unity initially. you should give it a chance at some point. it's pretty functional although a bit more limited than good 'ol gnome right now.
[01:42] <sebsebseb> Quasi_: Unity didn't brake when I did what I am saying, it got it working for me, but something different may happen for you
[01:42] <asteriskmonkey1> if i wanted a mac id buy one
[01:42] <dust--> natty is out - is there a reason to not upgrade? how is unity doing? is it playing nicely?
[01:42] <sebsebseb> asteriskmonkey1: http://askubuntu.com/questions/22946/how-do-i-install-the-latest-version-of-gnome-3
[01:42] <ThomasUK> dust-- seems variable
[01:43] <asteriskmonkey1> ceed i see how it could be good for a tabled or something but i do way to many things at once for this gui :P
[01:43] <soreau> Man this sucks. Bug #1: Can't enter a custom mount point after selecting Edit for an existing partition from the live 11.04 desktop cd installer
[01:43] <sebsebseb> !gnome3 | asteriskmonkey1
[01:43] <ceed^> dust--, Unity has played nice here the last couple of weeks. I like it
[01:43] <sebsebseb> http://askubuntu.com/questions/22946/how-do-i-install-the-latest-version-of-gnome-3 :)
[01:43] <jmwpc> I'm currently upgrading my laptop from 10.04 -> 11.04 using the CD. It's been stuck on 'Restoring previously installed packages...' for about an hour with no progress. I didn't really have all that many additional packages beyond the base OS installed. What's my next move?
[01:44] <shane4ubuntu> ok, I take it that this http://askubuntu.com/questions/30742/how-do-i-access-the-system-tray   is no longer correct?
[01:44] <dust--> is unity working fine in vmware workstation?
[01:44] <ceed^> asteriskmonkey1, I multitask quite heavily myself, but I've always liked out of the way desktop environments, and Unity seems to be one of those :)
[01:44] <dust--> i heard it needs 3d acceleration
[01:44] <shane4ubuntu> Also, I really miss my bottom panel that had all my open apps on it, how do I do that in unity?
[01:44] <jdahm> can I get focus follows mouse in unity?
[01:45] <Quasi_> shane4ubuntu you can try avant window navigator
[01:45] <sgaap> or check out cairo dock
[01:45] <ceed^> shane4ubuntu, no taskbar in Unity. You need to use the laucher or Alt-Tab. That's kinds Mac-ish, but works :)
[01:45] <kaiyin> Will ppa sources conflict with system upgrade?
[01:45] <shane4ubuntu> ceed^:  You mean I have to take my hand off my mouse???
[01:46] <taglass> META-W is also an option for changing windows.
[01:46] <ceed^> shane4ubuntu, well. no. running apps are marked with an arrow on the side in the launcher, so you can restore apps from there
[01:47] <ohsix> kaiyin: yes, but not generally; purging ppa's is nearly a must for upgrades
[01:47] <shane4ubuntu> ceed^: my side bar is sooo full, it is almost useless, it takes quite a bit of time to scroll down, and not all open apps show up there.
[01:47] <erik333> is there a way to reach the normal menu from unity?
[01:47] <kzetts> anyone else getting ridiculously slow sleeps on the dist upgrade?
[01:47] <kzetts> erik333: log out and select ubuntu classic as your session
[01:47] <Soothsayer> if I have the Ubuntu 11 bootable disc.. isn't there ANY way for me to upgrade the 10.10 to it using it? I don't want to download all the packages all over again through the internet update
[01:47] <Soothsayer> its terribly slow.. 5 hours remaining!
[01:47] <ceed^> shane4ubuntu, if you feel you need a taskabar there's always classic! :)
[01:47] <ohsix> nowherefast: any change?
[01:47] <erik333> yes i did that
[01:48] <Ziber> New ubuntu user, 10.10, having issues with my built in mic... Anyone mind helping me?
[01:48] <nowherefast> ohsix: nope : (
[01:48] <Soothsayer> kzetts: yes, here
[01:48] <Soothsayer> very slow update
[01:48] <kzetts> Soothsayer: good, I was making sure its not just me, sometimes my cable is slow as hell, and i reboot my modem, but i didnt want to do it in the middle of the dist upgrade if i didnt have to
[01:48] <nowherefast> ohsix: do you know the command to ID a driver?
[01:48] <ohsix> kaiyin: unfortunately it's down to what you don't know with ppas :\
[01:48] <kzetts> erik333: and? is that not what you wanted?
[01:48] <kaiyin> ohsix: how do i purge them?
[01:48] <shane4ubuntu> ceed^: I'm trying to give unity a try, but not very happy about it thus far, perhaps I will learn the tricks and like it.
[01:48] <ohsix> nowherefast: lsmod
[01:48] <KNUBBIG> is there a command to turn off the display until a button is pressed or the mosue is moved?
[01:48] <conical> how do you remotely log into your machine so you can view it over VNC?
[01:49] <ohsix> kaiyin: ppa-purge ppa:that/youadded0itwith
[01:49] <Soothsayer> kzetts: if I cancel .. can I resume it later? (cause ive already downloaded 800 packages)
[01:49] <erik333> depends, if i want to set up the shortcuts - having the menu handy in some form would problably help?
[01:49] <Mikaze> Long as I can `echo "speakup_soft start=1" >> /etc/modules` and reboot and  thenhave  accessible access to the text console, I'll be happy with Ubuntu.
[01:49] <ohsix> conical: enable remote assistance
[01:49] <kzetts> conical: instyall a vnc service and make sure it is running, and then connect to it on whichever port you specify
[01:49] <Ziber> New ubuntu user, 10.10, having issues with my built in mic... Anyone mind helping me?
[01:49] <reves> Anybody had any problems with a fresh install of 11.04 booting up to the loading screen, then just resetting the system in a loop?
[01:49] <usr13> conical: there is tightvnc and x11vnc
[01:49] <nowherefast> ohsix: i am going to throw 9.04 as my wifi works out of the box on that release and see if it's using the same driver
[01:49] <conical> it requires me to be logged in
[01:49] <conical> to enable remote assitance
[01:49] <ohsix> Mikaze: if that was it, why bother with ubuntu?
[01:50] <conical> assistance
[01:50] <kzetts> Soothsayer: i dont know, im at 844 packages, and im in the same boat, ive seen it drop to as low as 2kbs
[01:50] <conical> which i can do via ssh -x
[01:50] <kaiyin> ohsix: what if i don't remember those names?
[01:50] <WhiteD> ohsix: lol it was a problem with the upgrade package I was using. The Ubuntu Upgrade software is doing the job without a problem.
[01:50] <conical> but then i'm viewing that session
[01:50] <Soothsayer> kzetts: at 22 kbps here
[01:50] <kzetts> conical: can you ssh to you machine and fire up a vnc service?
[01:50] <doobien> it is not letting me upgrade because it is finding some files that i installed elsewhere than ubuntu's repository, is there a way to find out what they are so i can remove them for force an install over them.
[01:50] <ohsix> nowherefast: it might use the same name, but it wont be the same driver
[01:50] <Ziber> !pulseuadio
[01:50] <kaiyin> is there a way to purge every ppa source?
[01:50] <conical> i believe one is already running
[01:50] <WhiteD> ohsix: on original Ubuntu gnome GUI now too
[01:50] <Ziber> !pulseaudio
[01:50] <conical> or at least
[01:50] <ohsix> WhiteD: ahhh, good deal
[01:50] <conical> when I sshed in
[01:50] <conical> i started it through the gnome gui
[01:50] <kzetts> ok, if there is a vnc service running, then connect to your machine with a vnc client!
[01:50] <nowherefast> ohsix: hah! its showing iwl3945, notorious for problems
[01:50] <nit-wit> doobien, are you backed up
[01:50] <george__> Hi folks. How to fix the following message: The following packages have unmet dependencies: python-couchdb: Quebra: desktopcouch (= 0.2.93) but it is not going to be installed.
[01:50] <usr13> kzetts: Yes you can
[01:51] <kzetts> usr13: can what?
[01:51] <doobien> nit-wit - nope
[01:51] <shane4ubuntu> ceed^: ok, cleared some of the junk out of the side bar, and the apps are there, thanks!  I didn't realize they were in there.
[01:51] <ohsix> kaiyin: look in /etc/apt/sources.list.d for the ppa entries, just get their names don't delete them; ppa-puge does downgrades & it needs them there
[01:51] <Spaz_Dynamic> for getting skype, is it recommended to get the ubuntu varient, or just go for skype-static?
[01:51] <nit-wit> doobien, do you think you should be? what if you have a problem that is not fixable?
[01:52] <ohsix> nowherefast: of course, but it's not just the driver; those chips are a pain too
[01:52] <Spaz_Dynamic> I use skype static on my laptop (puppy linux) all the time and don't have any issues whatsoever.
[01:52] <nowherefast> ohsix: what else could it be?
[01:52] <ohsix> nowherefast: they won't work in windows unless you disable the thruoghput boosting thing for routers made in the last 6 years or so either, it's great
[01:53] <kpoman> hi all ! guys after upgrade to 11.04, my radeon DRI on Xorg is broken. Anyone got a quick fix ?
[01:53] <ohsix> nowherefast: what router do you have?
[01:53] <kpoman> kernel 2.6.38-8
[01:53] <itaylor57> Spaz_Dynamic: I use the skype from the ubuntu store
[01:53] <ohsix> Spaz_Dynamic: get skype from the partner repo & it'll get upgrades automatically
[01:53] <nit-wit> doobien, clone your setup before doing anything if you can. http://clonezilla.org/  cover your booty
[01:53] <SinnerNyx> Ok, kinda silly question. Using ubuntu-server. I used to have a custom MOTD, but I don't remember how I did it. I upgraded to 11.04 and whenever I change /etc/motd the changes get wiped when I log in again. I don't want to use a third-party application just to change it once.
[01:53] <Vanishing> anyone having problem with keyboard and mouse?
[01:53] <usr13> george__: apt-get -f install <packagename>
[01:53] <Soothsayer> kzetts: ok , im down to 10 kB/s
[01:53] <nowherefast> ohsix: i have a cheap chinese made router
[01:53] <kpoman> do someone know ?
[01:54] <nit-wit> what
[01:54] <ohsix> SinnerNyx: /etc/issue?
[01:54] <nowherefast> ohsix: it probably doesnt have a name in english : P
[01:54] <Mikaze> I wanna switch from Debian to Ubuntu, and mostly use the text console.  If Ubuntu doesn't have the 2.6.38 kernel with speakup available, I'll be fine.
[01:54] <ohsix> SinnerNyx: grep /etc for bits that you already see on logon :]
[01:54] <Mikaze> I wanna switch from Debian to Ubuntu, and mostly use the text console.  If Ubuntu doesn't have the 2.6.38 kernel with speakup available, I'll be fine.
[01:54] <Vanishing> i cant use my laptop keyboard on natty
[01:55] <nowherefast> ohsix: should i black list the module, then use modprobe to remove the module, then i can use the ndiswrapper gui to install the windows driver? that sound about right?
[01:55] <SinnerNyx> ohsix: issue is for what comes up before login right? good idea with the grep though. I'll get back to you in a sec
[01:55] <Vanishing> can anyone help me with this?
[01:55] <ohsix> nowherefast: if you wanted to do that, but what are you going to do for your netbook? you need to find out what external problems there can be
[01:56] <marrog> hi
[01:56] <ohsix> turning off all optional features of the router is a good start
[01:56] <pfifo> when I install a php module via synaptics do I need to restart apache?
[01:56] <ohsix> pfifo: generally no
[01:56] <nowherefast> ohsix: the chip is crap, but i am at peace with that. since the madwifi driver is made for atheros chipsets i plan on using that one since it has the best ratings on that chipset
[01:56] <KNUBBIG> gnite, wish me luck ;)
[01:56] <pfifo> ohsix, php-gd
[01:57] <ohsix> pfifo: but with php caching things or fastcgi it can get weird
[01:57] <Corbin> Hey, anyone have any experience getting ATI 57xx, 58xx, or 68xx video cards funning at peak performance? Are the drivers available for it up to snuff with Nvidia's yet?
[01:57] <daitheflu03> Hey! Sorry if I'm interrupting another conversation, but anyone else having resolution issues with an acer al2216w monitor?
[01:57] <daitheflu03> It's a 22" widescreen
[01:58] <ohsix> pfifo: if you're using the threaded mpm it might need a restart, i haven't messed with the new (as of 4 years ago lul) stuff in apache 2
[01:58] <ohsix> pfifo: the package likely modified php's configuration and if it's never reloaded during its normal lifecycle you might need to force it
[01:58] <george__> usr13: I did that but it says that depends of another package. I keep tacking the dependencies, and when I finally find one that I can install, it says it will remove A LOT of apps!
[01:59] <thebigroflz> hey are any of you guys good with printers?
[01:59] <ohsix> nowherefast: best ratings? i have two atheros devices and the mac80211 drivers are great
[01:59] <thebigroflz> Im having a headache setting mine up
[01:59] <ohsix> nowherefast: if the problem is know it will end up in module backports as soon as it's available, picking an alternative only picks the worst possible compromise
[02:01] <likki> Is there something better than wine?
[02:01] <ohsix> nowherefast: if you want me to offer anything else i'll need to know something about the router
[02:01] <ohsix> likki: windows
[02:01] <conical> okay, so having installed a vnc server, how do I start an x session running
[02:01] <ohsix> likki: be sure to report a bug if you find one
[02:01] <Corbin> Hey, anyone have any experience getting ATI 57xx, 58xx, or 68xx video cards funning at peak performance? Are the drivers available for it up to snuff with Nvidia's yet?
[02:01] <tase> wow downloading packages for instlaling 11.04 is epicly slow, 8kb/S
[02:01] <conical> essentially, how do I log into my machine without connecting a keyboard to it
[02:02] <conical> so I can use the vnc server
[02:02] <likki> Is there something better than wine besides windows?
[02:02] <ohsix> conical: if you didn't already install ssh or some other remote access, you don't
[02:02] <conical> I have ssh
[02:02] <conical> i can even ssh -X in
[02:02] <jiohdi> likki play on linux
[02:02] <conical> but I need a full session running
[02:02] <hiexpo> tase, proballythousands downloading it system is bogged
[02:02] <pfifo> ohsix, a restart did the trick
[02:02] <ohsix> likki: it's a monoculture, what do you expect there to be a bunch of independent windows implementations so you can pick which one sucks the least? what is your actual problem
[02:02] <ardchoille> !upgrade > ardchoille
[02:02] <conical> to do a couple things that a remote X session won't do well
[02:03] <erik333> wine with pulseaudio patch is good enough for me :P
[02:03] <likki> jiohdi: thanks for the reply. what program do you recommend?
[02:03] <conical> so, using ssh, how do I tell my computer to "log in"
[02:03] <conical> locally
[02:03] <jiohdi> the program is called play on linux
[02:03] <ohsix> they don't have enough engineers to fix sound problems and stuff; that's just reality, give them money or code if you need to
[02:03] <Soothsayer> http://i.imgur.com/1IbQU.png <-- this is my breakdown of partitions.. as you can see I have two fragmented unallocated spaces. How do I make the first unallocated space larger? (by using the unallocated space at the end)
[02:03] <nowherefast> ohsix: ohsix: the router zxv10 w300 but i also have a repeater i use to test the wifi network with and both fail
[02:03] <Soothsayer> Right now, my  sda =  C: + FREE-SPACE-1 + D:  + FREE-SPACE-2
[02:03] <MC8> Howdy; when I try upgrading to 11.04 in the update manager, it tells me "Could not download release notes, please check your internet connection" owtte. How does one upgrade?
[02:04] <likki> jiohdi: thanks for being helpful. that is what i was looking for :)
[02:04] <Soothsayer> I want to make FREE-SPACE-1 larger and put Ubuntu onto that.
[02:04] <ohsix> conical: well you normally see a greeter, but since you're in with ssh, you need to start an x session manually, but even then that's probably not what you want, what are you trying to do?
[02:04] <nowherefast> ohsix: the repeater is a tlwa500g
[02:04] <george__> Good night.
[02:04] <ohsix> a _repeater_, i see
[02:04] <RodneyChops> Hi, just started using Ubuntu, I added an extra HD, its showing up fine, but its a mountable ejectable drive... I want it so apps can use it and what not. No programs can see it..
[02:04] <ohsix> nowherefast: well take the repeater out of the equation, can you reach the router?
[02:05] <zachgretzinger> hello?
[02:05] <Logan_> !ask | zachgretzinger
[02:05] <romulobr> hi, I was just now upgrading to 11.04 but the installer crashed and there was a message telling me the system may have become unusable... is there something I should do? To prevent the system from not working anymore or anything. I confess I 'm a little bit scared right now.
[02:05] <conical> ohsix I'm trying to access some features of gnome that don't work over an ssh -X connection
[02:05] <ohsix> conical: go on
[02:05] <conical> so I need my computer to log in locally
[02:05] <zachgretzinger> Anyone here familiar with Java?
[02:05] <conical> so I can use VNC
[02:05] <Aginor> zachgretzinger, yes
[02:05] <nowherefast> ohsix: not physically but i have admin axx via browser
[02:05] <linuxman410> need help with intel 845ge video on board only have one resolution how do i fix
[02:05] <thebigroflz> How can I install my Lexmark x1150 printer in Ubuntu 11?
[02:06] <romulobr> I work with java zachgretzinger
[02:06] <freeman_> help! how do i move the unity toolbar to the bottom
[02:06] <SinnerNyx> ohsix: I tried sudo find /etc | xargs sudo grep -i 'welcome to ubuntu server'
[02:06] <ohsix> nowherefast: i mean can your devices reasonably speak to it over wifi
[02:06] <zachgretzinger> Ever heard of Jsmooth?
[02:06] <conical> so, using ssh, how do I tell the computer to log in locally so I can use vnc to access the local session
[02:06] <SinnerNyx> ohsix: it got nothing...
[02:06] <nowherefast> ohsix: i can use it in monitor mode perfectly fine
[02:06] <romulobr> ia there a way to "resume" installation? or something I should do...
[02:06] <n-iCe> Question, is there any difference if I install a 64bit os in a 4GB RAM lap instead of 32bits?
[02:06] <nowherefast> ohsix: it doesn't seem to want to work in managed mode though
[02:06] <ohsix> SinnerNyx: motd is generated from other files, let me look real quick from where
[02:06] <Hello71> Anyone know whether the upgrade is cached?
[02:07] <zachgretzinger> Aginor , romulobr - Do you guys know if there's a way to convert a .jar to a .deb?
[02:07] <ubuntumasterz600> How can I get my gnome battery applet to display my battery life. When I right click and click "estimating" and scroll down I see it there, why can't it just display
[02:07] <Hello71> n-iCe: Well, if it doesn't have a 64-bit processor, it won't work. In addition, your video card may take up part of the addressing.
[02:07] <kaiyin> i think a reinstall would be faster than an upgrade.
[02:07] <ohsix> SinnerNyx: dig /etc/update-motd.d/
[02:07] <Corbin> Hey, anyone have any experience getting ATI 57xx, 58xx, or 68xx video cards funning at peak performance? Are the drivers available for it up to snuff with Nvidia's yet? Specifically, I'm aiming to get a 5770 or 5850
[02:07] <Aginor> zachgretzinger, yes, but it is a bit involved and a jar and a deb isn't nearly similar things, so you can't do a straight off conversion
[02:07] <jazzy> n-iCe: as long as you have a PAE enabled kernel (which the ubuntu server kernel is), it's fine to use 32 bit
[02:08] <george__> After tried an upgrade to 11.04, I've got this http://pastie.org/1845644. And my dpkg --audit returns me this http://pastie.org/1845647. Any help, please?
[02:08] <freeman_> how do i move the unity dock?
[02:08] <Soothsayer> Can software raid-1 be setup after installing Ubuntu ?
[02:08] <taglass> freeman_: You don't
[02:08] <freeman_> taglass, :(
[02:08] <SinnerNyx> ohsix: :S How did my grep command not find this :(
[02:08] <jazzy> zachgretzinger: it sounds to me like what you're really asking is how you can run a jar file in ubuntu, is that correct?
[02:08] <ohsix> Soothsayer: it can be set up any time, what do you want to put on it?
[02:08] <SinnerNyx> ohsix: sorry for wasting your time
[02:08] <romulobr> zachgretzinger,  I don't think so man... a jar is nothing but a zip file with a special xml file inside, I don't know what deb's are, but I think they are more than just that.
[02:08] <ohsix> SinnerNyx: the release name isn't part of the file
[02:08] <conical> so, ohsix, any suggestions?
[02:08] <ohsix> SinnerNyx: no waste :]
[02:08] <Soothsayer> ohsix: my data files + mysql databases mostly
[02:09] <IceWewe> what is the easiest way to tell what version of a package is installed?
[02:09] <Vanishing> can anyone help me with my keyboard and mouse problem in natty?
[02:09]  * LAcan if anyone is experiences with KISMET please /msg LAcan . Thanks!
[02:09] <ohsix> freeman_: look in ccsm for the options of the unity plugin, last time looked you could pick the edge and whether it autohid
[02:09] <IceWewe> from the command line
[02:09] <kaiyin> i remember there is a backup tool often compared with rsync, having a name that also starts with r, but i've forgotten it.
[02:09] <ohsix> LAcan: are you using backtrack?
[02:09] <kaiyin> could anyone remind me?
[02:09] <zachgretzinger> Aginor , ahh, I see. Any links? jazzy , No I know how to run a .jar in Ubuntu. romulobr , all I need is the .deb to call the .jar to run it
[02:09] <ohsix> kaiyin: rdiff-backup?
[02:09] <freeman_> ohsix, ccsm?
[02:09] <ohsix> kaiyin: you might look at duplicity / deja-dup (a ui for the former), it's great
[02:09] <taglass> IceWewe: apt-cache show packagename?
[02:09] <Vanishing> my keyboard works in tty console, but not in x
[02:10] <jazzy> a deb is an installation package, not an executable program
[02:10] <kaiyin> ohsix: thanks. that's it.
[02:10] <Soothsayer> kzetts: cancelled my update. And yes, it can be resumed later from that state itself.
[02:10] <ohsix> freeman_: compizconfig-settings-manager, it lets you edit the compiz settings, one of the plugins happens to be unity
[02:10] <Vanishing> what could be the problem?
[02:10] <Aginor> zachgretzinger, http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/
[02:10] <LAcan> ohsix, no ubuntu
[02:10] <ohsix> kaiyin: i highly recommend duplicity even, if you're looking at using rdiff-backup; unless having the last available version available with its original name is a hard requirement
[02:10] <zachgretzinger> Aginor, thanks
[02:10] <Vanishing> join #natty
[02:10] <Hello71> Anyone know whether the packages downloaded during the upgrade are cached?
[02:11] <jazzy> you don't convert a jar to a deb, you package a jar, along with other things to run it, eg a shell script, inside a deb
[02:11] <Soothsayer> Hello71: yes
[02:11] <ohsix> Hello71: they are like all the other packages
[02:11] <Soothsayer> Hello71: if you want to cancel and resume later, you can.
[02:11] <OchoZero9> to install the touch screen version of unity do i install ubuntu-desktop or ubuntu-netbook
[02:11] <sardonyx> i'm having trouble installing 11.04.  during the install it's saying that it cannot install a bootloader, so no grub installed.  I even tried installing it manually but the drive will not boot.  Anyone else experiencing this?
[02:11] <Soothsayer> I just did a few seconds ago and it gave me the message saying so.
[02:11] <linuxman410> can someone help with intel 845ge i only have one resolution and it says monitor unknown when i check it in setting
[02:11] <OchoZero9> i'm on kubuntu btw
[02:11] <zachgretzinger> jazzy, well do you have  a tutorial or a link then?
[02:11] <Aginor> zachgretzinger, bear in mind that you'll probably have to do more things than to just put your .jar in a debian package
[02:11] <ohsix> OchoZero9: if you have a touchscreen you don't need a special version
[02:11] <freeman_> ohsix, cmd not found :( ... i think i found it installed in software center though?
[02:11] <ohsix> OchoZero9: oh kubuntu, then you probably want ubuntu-desktop and to log in with the main session
[02:12] <Soothsayer> ok about to install Natty, bbl :)
[02:12] <ohsix> freeman_: yep, the command is called ccsm, in the package compizconfig-settings-manager
[02:12] <zachgretzinger> Aginor, yeah I've given myself an 8 hour crash course in the art of .jar and .deb today and am realizing that it's pretty involved
[02:12] <OchoZero9> Okay I'll try
[02:12] <Hello71> Soothsayer, ohsix: Are they saved in /var/cache/apt/archives?
[02:12] <Vorenii> how do i open a txt file to edit as a root?
[02:12] <Soothsayer> Hello71: no clue where
[02:12] <zamN> hey, i'm trying to install GCC on my ubuntu server and its giving me: configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[02:12] <kaiyin> ohsix: why do you like it so much?
[02:12] <kpoman> hey ! do someone know about radeon ?
[02:12] <kpoman> DRI ?
[02:12] <kpoman> help
[02:12] <ohsix> kaiyin: insanely much faster
[02:12] <jazzy> http://blog.noizeramp.com/2005/08/31/packaging-java-applications-for-ubuntu-and-other-debians/
[02:12] <zamN> I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. I'm installing a C compiler and it needs a c compiler? lol
[02:12] <Aginor> zachgretzinger, the jars are pretty easy, doing debs are a bit more involved :D
[02:12] <Hello71> zamN: Yes.
[02:12] <ohsix> kaiyin: plus doing baackups every hour is fast enough to do it every hour :D
[02:13] <zamN> Hello71: so then what should I do? I looked at the pre-req's and it said that i needed an ISO C90 compiler
[02:13] <Soothsayer> ohsix: I should RAID-1 only my data partitions right?
[02:13] <zamN> Hello71: i take it that thats a c compiler?
[02:13] <Aginor> zamN, are you trying to build the compiler from scratch instead of installing the packages?
[02:13] <Hello71> zamN: Install the deb?
[02:13] <IceWewe> taglass, Thanks!
[02:13] <zamN> Aginor Hello71: I just went to http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-4.6/ and installed it onto my server. then followed the tut
[02:13] <ohsix> Soothsayer: keeping data safe takes a lot more than just raid-n, i'm not really comfortable offering advice
[02:13] <zachgretzinger> Aginor , I tried creating a .deb package that called the .jar using "dpkg -b blahblah.deb" in terminal... It built the .deb but did not do what I needed it to. Either that or I'm just not used to Natty yet
[02:14] <Aginor> !gcc
[02:14] <Vorenii> how do i open a txt file to edit as a root? /usr/share/empathy/empathy-chat-window.ui
[02:14] <Hello71> !packages
[02:14] <ohsix> Soothsayer: i will say though, raid is useless without backups, so if you think it will help you avoid them, that's a common mistake
[02:14] <romulobr> wish me luck... i will try to restart the system
[02:14] <Allen-> Can anyone help me with my screen resolution? My monitor shows up as unknown and I can only use 800 x 600.
[02:14] <Hello71> !packages
[02:14] <Soothsayer> I've never configured software raid before, should I just install Natty on a partition first and then plan the raid part later?
[02:14] <n-iCe> Question, is there any difference if I install a 64bit os in a 4GB RAM lap instead of 32bits?
[02:14] <Hello71> !help
[02:14] <Soothsayer> ohsix: no, im not looking at a substitute for backups
[02:14] <gogeta> zachgretzinger: your just packing the jar file into a deb doing that
[02:14] <Soothsayer> crashes instead.
[02:15] <taglass> n-iCe: you'll be able to access the full 4 GB with a 64 bit os.  You can't w/ a 32 bit os unless it supports PAE.
[02:15] <zachgretzinger> gogeta , that's all I'm trying to do... I want the .jar inside a .deb so I can trick Natty into thinking it's not running a .jar
[02:15] <Blue1> n-iCe: does the laptop support 64 bit hardware?
[02:15] <Hello71> !xyproblem
[02:15] <fester> how do i add a mirror so that my downloads go faster? it's taking 20minutes just to download vim
[02:15] <zamN> Aginor Hello71: So I'll just want to run sudo apt-get install build-essential and then I should have gcc on there?
[02:15] <gogeta> zachgretzinger: umm thers no trick your thinking of a launcher
[02:16] <Hello71> zamN: What do you really want to do?
[02:16] <Aginor> zamba, yes, you might want to install automake too
[02:16] <Aginor> zamba, sorry, mistabbed
[02:16] <gogeta> zachgretzinger: bascily a script along with the jar file to make a menu shortcut and stuff
[02:16] <Hello71> ...
[02:16] <Aginor> zamN, yes, you might want to install automake too
[02:16] <freeman_> ohsix, i am in ccsm, do you recall the setting where it switches it
[02:16] <Vorenii> how do i open a txt file to edit as a root? /usr/share/empathy/empathy-chat-window.ui
[02:17] <taglass> Vorenii: sudo vi /usr/share/empathy/empathy-chat-window.ui
[02:17] <ohsix> freeman_: the big purple logo with Unity on it, that's the unity plugin
[02:17] <Vorenii> but i dont want to use vi, i dont understand it.