[05:02] <Kilos> morning all
[05:14] <Kilos> hi Tonberry
[05:15] <Tonberry> hi
[06:17] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[06:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[06:40] <Kilos> hi superfly
[06:40] <superfly> hi Kilos, ThatGraemeGuy
[06:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> hi fly
[06:54] <gremble> Good morning
[07:01] <Kilos> hi gremble
[07:13] <gremble> How are you today Kilos?
[07:14] <Kilos> ok ty gremble and you?
[07:14] <gremble> I am well thank you
[07:17] <Kilos> with luck there will still be a sponsor for the namibia trip
[07:17] <Kilos> then you can have a break
[07:18] <Kilos> i wonder if canonical ever sponsors stuff like that
[07:18] <gremble> Haha I don't take breaks :P This Namibia think has got me thinking two things: I want to get the LUG at UP going again and I want to either write a new language for mathematical computation, or write an environment to leverage python's numpy and scipy packages
[07:19] <Kilos> ah  thats good you want to code
[07:22] <gremble> No. I don't want to code. :P
[07:23] <gremble> Coding creates more problems than it really solves. So I will do this with as little coding as possible.
[07:26] <Kilos> superfly: inetpro neelsie said he will chair tonight if one of you can give him maaz admin permissions so he can check out stuff to get the commands
[07:26] <Kilos> does he have to be online?
[07:29] <inetpro> but has he not done the chairing before?
[07:29] <inetpro> good mornings
[07:29] <Kilos> nope
[07:29] <inetpro> hmm...
[07:30] <Kilos> we can help him if he can just get the commands
[07:30] <Kilos> and please do the g+ thing
[07:31] <Kilos> ill try do the tweet thing
[07:32] <inetpro> permissions
[07:32] <inetpro> Maaz: permissions
[07:32] <Maaz> inetpro: Permissions: admin and chairmeeting
[07:33] <inetpro> Maaz: permissions for nlsthzn
[07:33] <Maaz> inetpro: You're not the boss of me
[07:33] <inetpro> ai!
[07:33] <Kilos> ai!
[07:33] <gremble> That should be meetingchair, otherwise it is a meeting about a chair :P
[07:33] <Kilos> hehe
[07:33] <gremble> instead of the chairman of the meeting
[07:34] <Kilos> the bot has his own commands
[07:34] <inetpro> gremble: rights to chair a meeting
[07:34] <Kilos> pm him and type in help
[07:35] <Kilos> inetpro: dont you have to first get him to auth you?
[07:36] <inetpro> Kilos: done already... don't have permissions to change permissions
[07:36] <Kilos> eish
[07:37] <Kilos> back to crash kid
[07:39] <gremble> http://hackertyper.com/ lol
[10:11] <Squirm> afternoon
[10:45] <Squirm> superfly: have you had much to do with the WUG?
[10:48] <superfly> Squirm: no, I don't have the money for the equipment
[10:50] <Squirm> superfly: I suppose, I guess it's probably around R1k
[11:00] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[11:09] <Kilos> hi zabear
[11:09] <zabear> I might not make it in time for this evenings meeting, so I just wish to log here that I share the re-verification
[11:09] <zabear> Hi Kilos
[11:10] <Kilos> well try attend if at all possible
[11:10] <Kilos> more names logged in to meets also helps
[11:10] <zabear> will do if I can, but please mention my name then, if it could be done like that
[11:11] <Kilos> ok ty
[11:11] <zabear> am going to watch the new space movie and it is 3 hours long :-)
[11:11] <zabear> so I probably will be late
[11:12] <Kilos> whew
[11:12] <zabear> anyway, you keep well - logging off now
[11:12] <Kilos> cool ty
[11:26] <Kilos> zabear=piet beukes methinks
[11:30] <Kilos> yum just nuked an apple for 3 mins and it be very lekker
[12:19] <Kilos> wbb
[12:19] <Kilos> Maaz: watch them
[12:19] <Maaz> OK Kilos I'll keep an eye on them for you
[12:31] <inetpro> haha
[14:04] <Kilos> inetpro: kyk net of choqok van die regte plek getweet het asb. ek sien net sharpeys maar het net ubuntuza ingesit
[14:05] <Kilos> im too old for this stuff
[14:05] <inetpro> Kilos: see https://twitter.com/ubuntuza
[14:06] <Kilos> oh cool ty you did it
[14:06] <inetpro> no
[14:06] <Kilos> gonna rain hey?
[14:06] <Kilos> no?
[14:07] <Kilos> this browser goes direct to sharpeys i think
[14:07] <Kilos> grrr
[14:12] <Kilos> 403 Forbidden: The server understood the request, but is refusing to fulfill it.
[14:12] <Kilos> grrrr
[14:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> aka "The server is being a 5-year-old"
[14:15] <Kilos> lol i always forget no to make ir rember password
[14:20] <Kilos> s/ir/it
[14:49] <Kilos> need to reboot
[15:07] <Kilos> sjoe had to use epiphany to tweet there and i cant copy paste, so not very informative tweet
[15:08] <Kilos> sigh and typos
[15:33] <Kilos> you staying for the meeting gremble ?
[15:34] <Kilos> oi
[15:34] <Kilos> that frightened him
[15:34] <Kilos> haha'
[15:40] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 wb
[15:40] <Vince-0> Hi kb
[15:40] <Kilos> lol
[15:40] <Vince-0> I mean Kilos
[15:40] <Vince-0> No tab on this keyboard
[15:40] <Kilos> sjoe
[15:42] <Vince-0> Wat we die oom
[15:42] <Kilos> same old just different day and you?
[15:42] <Vince-0> se*
[15:42] <Kilos> change keyboards
[15:43] <Vince-0> Ya ek ook. Trying another one now
[15:43] <Vince-0> I'm in Jhb this weekend to see my bro and geekfest on Saturday
[15:43] <Kilos> lekker
[15:44] <Kilos> can you take some pics and give feedback for us?
[15:44] <Kilos> to add to our re-evaluation thing
[15:45] <Kilos> been a very slack year i think
[15:51] <Vince-0> I think very little of geekfest has to do with Ubuntu
[15:52] <Kilos> haha
[15:53] <Kilos> take a ubuntu lappy with you
[15:55] <Vince-0> Don't have one. My bro is bringing a non Ubuntu dell for me that same day
[15:55] <Kilos> haha
[15:56] <Vince-0> But yar, I agree that there has been little Ubuntu action locally
[15:57] <Vince-0> I did watch Shuttleworth's UDS video
[15:59] <Kilos> is backporting when you use an older app
[15:59] <Kilos> or vice versa
[16:01] <Vince-0> eg:  app repo for 14.10 apps that are built for previous version like 12.04
[16:01] <Kilos> ya
[16:01] <Kilos> like i have remastersys working on 12.04 and want to make it work on 14.04
[16:02] <Kilos> oh mine is backward
[16:03] <Kilos> ha peer got him
[16:24] <Joe_knock> Am I early or late?
[16:28] <Kilos> early Joe_knock but you can hang meantime
[16:29] <Kilos> meet at 20.30
[16:29] <Joe_knock> alright let me continue with my work then
[16:29] <Kilos> invite all your friends meantime
[16:30] <Kilos> lol
[16:30] <Joe_knock> You people are my friends :'D
[16:30] <Kilos> haha you feel like i do
[16:31] <Kilos> this is my home
[16:31] <Joe_knock> are you doing any black friday shopping? Kilos
[16:32] <Kilos> i dont go anywhere Joe_knock
[16:32] <Joe_knock> You can shop online
[16:32] <Kilos> medical reasons i think its called
[16:32] <Kilos> only stuff i ever buy is pc stuff
[16:33] <Joe_knock> Have you at least travelled a little bit?
[16:33] <Kilos> oh yes years ago
[16:33] <Kilos> travelled za apart from the west coast
[16:34] <Kilos> and spent many years in natal
[16:35] <Joe_knock> Jys a coastal persoon?
[16:35] <Kilos> was a lifesaver in toti
[16:35] <Kilos> now wending things in pta
[16:35] <Joe_knock> :D lifeguard :O
[16:35] <Kilos> ending
[16:39] <Joe_knock> musta been fun being on the beach everyday
[16:42] <Vince-0> Kilos you got it backwards. You're supposed to retire on the beach
[16:42] <Kilos> lol yeah
[16:42] <Kilos> beaches not such hot places anymore
[16:43] <Joe_knock> well you're in slowtoria now, so it kinda is like a beach
[16:44] <Golynx> many natural disasters gonna happen in the future, so best stay away from beaches
[16:44] <Kilos> haha
[16:44] <Golynx> unless you know how to surf :p
[16:44] <Kilos> hi Golynx you staying for the meeting
[16:44] <Golynx> hi Kilos , yeah i just noticed meeting tonight
[16:45] <Kilos> hi amanica
[16:45] <Joe_knock> How exactly can our east coast experience natural disasters? We have a giant island called madagascar protecting us :'D
[16:46] <Kilos> hi magespawn wb
[16:46] <magespawn> good evening all
[16:46] <Golynx> Joe_knock: its called global warming :p
[16:46] <magespawn> hi Kilos
[16:47] <Joe_knock> As all the forums, etc. say, SA has more important things to worry about, like lights, water, internet and crime :D
[16:48] <Kilos> hahaha
[16:48] <Golynx>  lol, yeah , present tense :)
[16:50] <Joe_knock> Ek nou dink oor oom Kilos in say speedo doing the David Hasselhof and rescuing pretty blonde girls from drowning :D
[16:50] <Joe_knock> haha
[16:50] <Golynx> updated blackberry 10 OS from pc today size 1.1GB . Had about 5GB left, after update still had 5GB left
[16:50] <Kilos> haha it was great fun
[16:51] <Golynx> now i can run Android apps :)
[16:51] <Kilos> in those days the prettiest girls came from pta
[16:51] <Kilos> thats good Golynx
[16:51] <magespawn> Golynx, maybe they do not charge for os updates
[16:52] <Kilos> you hitting the jet setters with the bb
[16:52] <Joe_knock> Could be a local cache, and free local download
[16:52] <Joe_knock> Or, you first need to disconnect before data consumption shows
[16:52] <Kilos> he has more data now than he ever has
[16:52] <Golynx> magespawn: i saw they said the updates are free, but i did'nt know its actually free as in no data charge :)
[16:53] <Joe_knock> Oom, I think our Tukkies citizen will disagree about how pretty the pretoria women are ;)
[16:53] <Golynx> Kilos lol
[16:53] <Kilos> note i said those days
[16:53] <magespawn> Golynx, pretty cool if it is
[16:53] <Kilos> we saw then all from all over
[16:54] <Kilos> toti and durbs were popular holiday places
[16:55] <Joe_knock> I've never been to amanzimtoti/amazimtoti?
[16:55] <Kilos> even peeps from ct came to toti so they could swim and tan without feezing
[16:55] <Kilos> amanzimtoti
[16:57] <Joe_knock> aah im winning on stackoverflow, rep is decent :'d
[16:57] <Kilos> i go eat now
[16:57] <Kilos> wbb
[17:12]  * nlsthzn goes for a quick shower and will be back :p
[17:31] <Kilos> Maaz: nickometer Joe_knock
[17:31] <Maaz> Kilos: Joe_knock is 14.4% lame
[17:31] <nuvolari> Joe_knock: my boss is inching towards position 19 in South Africa on Stackoverflow :P
[17:36] <magespawn> nuvolari, is that a good thing?
[17:41] <Kilos> what is stackoverflow
[17:42] <nuvolari> magespawn: well, with a score of 11 yesterday, I was 2096th :P
[17:42] <magespawn> ahh right
[17:42] <nuvolari> Maaz: google stackoverflow
[17:42] <Maaz> nuvolari: "Stack Overflow" http://stackoverflow.com/ :: "Stack Overflow Careers" http://careers.stackoverflow.com/ :: "Newest Questions - Stack Overflow" http://stackoverflow.com/questions :: "Why I no longer contribute to StackOverflow — Michael T. Richter" http://michael.richter.name/blogs/why-i-no-longer-contribute-to-stackoverflow :: "Stack Overflow -
[17:42] <Maaz> Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stack_Overflow :: "Newest 'stacko…
[17:42] <nuvolari> that one oom Kilos ^^
[17:43] <nuvolari> right, I'm outta here
[17:43] <magespawn> so it takes some work then
[17:43] <nuvolari> I had enough of Spring JPA and it's nonsense
[17:43] <magespawn> not hanging around for the meeting?
[17:43] <Kilos> be good nuvolari
[17:43] <nuvolari> that's why I'm leaving
[17:43] <Kilos> he is at work magespawn
[17:43] <nuvolari> need to get home for the meeting
[17:43] <magespawn> ahh right
[17:43] <Kilos> oh good
[17:43] <Kilos> hurry man
[17:43] <magespawn> still at work, overtime?
[17:44] <Kilos> they got some deadline thing
[17:44] <Kilos> last weekend as well
[17:44] <Joe_knock> How do I check SO scores?
[17:54] <Joe_knock> Okay found the site, but not local
[17:54] <Kilos> is that a gaming thing?
[17:55] <nuvolari> ok, going home, hope I make it in time
[17:55] <Joe_knock> It's the amount of points you accumulate for answering questions on a programming site
[17:57] <Kilos> ah
[17:59] <magespawn> on these sort of sites you usually get points according to how useful people think your answers are
[18:02] <gremble> I've never had much luck there
[18:02] <gremble> People tend to not actually answer my questions when I have them
[18:03] <Kilos> lol
[18:06] <Kilos> Golynx: you gotta tether something tighter
[18:07] <Golynx> Kilos: haha, i had to install a Android specific app on bb via pc to run android apps
[18:08] <Golynx> took some tinkering :)
[18:08] <Joe_knock> there is a sort of art in asking SO questions. The mods are very quick to hellban folks
[18:12] <Golynx> Kilos: still using the old dongle on pc, dont wana hurt the bb battery too much :)
[18:12] <Kilos> lol
[18:12] <Lionthinker> I'm Leon Marincowitz
[18:13] <Kilos> hi Lionthinker
[18:13] <Lionthinker> Hi Kilos
[18:13] <Kilos> you only do that once meeting starts
[18:13] <Lionthinker> and guys, apologies for being late
[18:13] <Kilos> the bot needs to start the meet first'
[18:13] <Kilos> you early lad
[18:14] <Kilos> meet starts at 20.30 if nuvo gets home by then
[18:14] <Lionthinker> of gees, well then I'm really early as I was here last night as well worried I missed it
[18:14] <Kilos> hi superfly
[18:14] <Kilos> i saw but was afk
[18:14] <Lionthinker> guys, be back then
[18:14] <Kilos> haha
[18:15] <Kilos> 15 mins man
[18:15] <Kilos> not tomorrow
[18:20]  * nuvolari snipes peer with a crossbow
[18:20] <Kilos> wb nuvolari
[18:21] <nuvolari> dankie oom Kilos
[18:21] <Kilos> you live close to work heyt
[18:21] <nuvolari> 15k's oom
[18:21] <Kilos> ah
[18:21] <nuvolari> Maaz: meeting.agenda
[18:21] <Maaz> nuvolari: meeting.agenda is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20141125
[18:25] <nuvolari> Maaz: are you awake?
[18:25] <Maaz> Well duh!  Never used dropbox either :P
[18:28] <nuvolari> Maaz: are you ready?
[18:28] <Maaz> nuvolari: *blink*
[18:28] <Vince-0> Maaz, I am Vincent Swart
[18:28] <Maaz> Vince-0: Huh?
[18:28] <Vince-0> Meh
[18:28] <Kilos> lol
[18:28] <nuvolari> not there yet Vince-0
[18:28] <Kilos> he dont do that till meet started
[18:29] <Joe_knock> Maaz: Ek is jou pa
[18:29] <Maaz> Joe_knock: I'll remember that
[18:29] <Joe_knock> :O
[18:29] <Kilos> start meeting puts him in another mode
[18:29] <nuvolari> Maaz: ek
[18:29] <Maaz> nuvolari: Ek is jou pa
[18:30] <Kilos> hi blazemobile
[18:30] <nuvolari> Maaz: begin Ubuntu-ZA Monthly IRC Meeting
[18:30] <Maaz> nuvolari: Huh?
[18:30] <nuvolari> er
[18:30] <magespawn> lol
[18:30] <nuvolari> Maaz: begin meeting about Ubuntu-ZA Monthly IRC Meeting (November 25th, 2014)
[18:30] <Maaz> nuvolari: *blink*
[18:30] <nuvolari> :O
[18:31] <Kilos> start meeting
[18:31] <nuvolari> Maaz: meeting.minutes
[18:31] <Maaz> nuvolari: meeting.minutes is http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2013-02-18-17-30-02.html
[18:31] <Joe_knock> Is port 8000 the default web access port?
[18:31] <Kilos> sounds familiar
[18:32] <nuvolari> Maaz: start meeting about Ubuntu-ZA Monthly IRC Meeting (November 25, 2014)
[18:32]  * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
[18:32] <nuvolari> Joe_knock: negative
[18:32] <nuvolari> port 80
[18:32] <nuvolari> (http = :80)
[18:32] <Joe_knock> It seems I am having conflicts running 2 "server-like" things on 8000
[18:32] <Kilos> Maaz: I am Miles Snarpe
[18:32] <Maaz> Kilos: Alrighty
[18:32] <nuvolari> Maaz: I am Johan Mynhardt
[18:32] <Maaz> nuvolari: Yessir
[18:33] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Welcoming and Introduction
[18:33] <Maaz> Current Topic: Welcoming and Introduction
[18:33] <Kilos> login guys
[18:33] <nuvolari> Welcome everyone :)
[18:33] <magespawn> Maaz: I am Greg Eames
[18:33] <Maaz> magespawn: Okay
[18:33] <nuvolari> thank you for making the time to be at the meeting
[18:33] <Vince-0> Maaz, I am Vincent Swart
[18:33] <Maaz> Vince-0: Okay
[18:33] <nuvolari> it is a fairly important meeting leading up to the reapproval of our LoCo
[18:34] <Kilos> Joe_knock: login or you lost somewhere
[18:34] <Joe_knock> Maaz: I am Joe Knock
[18:34] <Maaz> Joe_knock: Done
[18:34] <nuvolari> It's getting harder and harder to get the gap to be more involved :(
[18:34] <nuvolari> Joe_knock: is it your first time around?
[18:34] <nuvolari> (for a meeting)
[18:35] <Joe_knock> yeah, oom told me I should come for the meeting, but I read through your old meeting logs, nuvolari
[18:35] <Kilos> gremble: you joining us?
[18:35] <nuvolari> well, welcome then Joe_knock :)
[18:35] <Golynx> Maaz: I am Gerrit Pas
[18:35] <Maaz> Golynx: Yessir
[18:36] <nuvolari> The meeting numbers are on the decline, but this is a tight time for everyone I guess
[18:36] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: ping
[18:36] <Kilos> inetpro: ping
[18:36] <Joe_knock> nuvolari: Actually, this should be a winding down time as we head into holidays.
[18:37] <Lionthinker> Hey guys
[18:37] <Kilos> wb Lionthinker
[18:37] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Review previous minutes
[18:37] <Maaz> Current Topic: Review previous minutes
[18:37] <Kilos> now you can tell maaz who you are
[18:37] <nuvolari> http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-10-28-18-31-48.txt
[18:37] <nuvolari> ^^ for anyone interested
[18:39] <Lionthinker> thanks Kilos
[18:40] <nuvolari> oh, the meeting agenda for those interested
[18:40] <nuvolari> Maaz: meeting.agenda
[18:40] <Maaz> nuvolari: meeting.agenda is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20141125
[18:41] <nuvolari> anyone to discuss something from the last meeting's minutes?
[18:41] <Lionthinker> nope, all looks good
[18:42] <Kilos> Lionthinker: tell Maaz who you are please
[18:42] <Lionthinker> I am Leon Marincowitz
[18:42] <Kilos> he logs who signs in
[18:42] <Kilos> you gotta put maaz in first
[18:43] <Lionthinker> Maaz, I am Leon Marincowitz
[18:43] <Maaz> Lionthinker: Alrighty
[18:43] <Kilos> cool
[18:43] <Joe_knock> just give me some time to read through the previous discussion
[18:43] <nuvolari> ok, I'm having a bite so I don't pass out :P
[18:43] <gremble> maaz, I'm Jaco Stroebel
[18:43] <Maaz> gremble: Huh?
[18:43] <Lionthinker> One day I'll get this registering right first time
[18:44] <gremble> maaz: I am Jaco Stroebel
[18:44] <Maaz> gremble: Sure
[18:44] <gremble> Same
[18:44] <Kilos> wb nlsthzn
[18:44] <nlsthzn> finally!
[18:44] <Kilos> we hit a luck
[18:44] <nlsthzn> hi uncle Kilos :))
[18:44] <nlsthzn> hi everyone (if there are more people here :p)
[18:44] <Kilos> keep note because im sure you will chair in the future
[18:45] <Kilos> and login
[18:45] <nlsthzn> have we started?
[18:45] <Kilos> yip nuvolari made it home by 20 past
[18:45] <Joe_knock> looks like it was mostly about the LoCo meeting
[18:46] <nlsthzn> Maaz, I am Neil Oosthuizen
[18:46] <Maaz> nlsthzn: Done
[18:47] <nlsthzn> so em...
[18:48] <nuvolari> oh hi nlsthzn :>
[18:48] <nlsthzn> hey nuvolari , glad you are here :D
[18:48] <nuvolari> glad to be here. taking a break from work
[18:49] <nuvolari> Joe_knock: yeah, and we need tonight to be about it again :P
[18:49] <nlsthzn> awesome, never work to hard
[18:50] <Joe_knock> Okay, I've glazed over it. I want to raise the point that I don't see any major incentives of being a LoCo for "Ubuntu". We rather just wing it ourselves as a Linux LoCo.
[18:50] <nlsthzn> there is a few things from last time we need to check, is kbmonkey now the team contact, (it needs to be updated on launchpad etc.) and have we booked our date for re-verification... is it set and confirmed etc?!
[18:50] <Kilos> ty for coming nuvolari
[18:50] <nuvolari> aparently [19:12:23] <maiatoday> Your team is set to expire out of ~locoteams-verified on: 2014-12-18.
[18:50] <Kilos> if you are an official loco you get to order free ubuntu dvds Joe_knock
[18:50] <nuvolari> [19:12:23] <maiatoday> Our December meeting is expected on 2014-12-16.
[18:51] <Joe_knock> Kilos: Those DVDs aren't very useful. Most folks are downloading and sharing the .isos in any case.
[18:52] <nuvolari> agreed. and the *only* nice thing is them being branded
[18:52] <Joe_knock> I've given like 5 people .isos burnt onto a disk
[18:52] <Kilos> yeah but they nice to have and we get lots and can hand them out at parties
[18:52] <nlsthzn> nuvolari, but we need to ensure that the council is aware and reviewing our application and have us on the agenda
[18:52] <Joe_knock> and they're probably also sending only ubuntu itself, when we really need Lubuntu/Xubuntu
[18:52] <Kilos> not everyone has uncapped data
[18:53]  * nuvolari doesn't even have broadband
[18:53] <Lionthinker> not sure if anyone has been following the Ubuntu community list recently
[18:53] <nuvolari> nope
[18:53] <Lionthinker> Jono Bacon wrote something up about rebooting Ubuntu community which caused a storm
[18:53]  * nlsthzn follows all, sees all >.>
[18:53] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Evetnts
[18:53] <Maaz> Current Topic: Evetnts
[18:53] <Joe_knock> If they can agree to provide a wider range of ubuntu flavours, that might be nice. Ubuntu itself can be bloated for folks with 2GB ram
[18:53] <nuvolari> ugh.
[18:53] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Events
[18:53] <Maaz> Current Topic: Events
[18:54] <Lionthinker> one of the spin of results was Ubuntu Vancouver decided not re-register and simply call themselves Ubuntu Vancouver
[18:54] <nlsthzn> Joe_knock, Canonical is responsible for Ubuntu, the derivatives do get resources from them but are there own projects
[18:54] <Kilos> with the dvd all you need then is to install xubuntu-desktop
[18:54] <nlsthzn> I am not a fan of Randall Ross and some of his ideas
[18:55] <Joe_knock> nlsthzn: I understand that, but how much harder can it be to burn Xubuntu onto a disk than Ubuntu? If Ubuntu can't understand the needs of the locals (many of whom are still using XP on their P4s) then ...
[18:56] <Kilos> weve been official since 2005 so lets just do it again
[18:56] <Lionthinker> I'm confused as to what we talking about?
[18:56] <gremble> So the benefit, and only one mentioned so far, to being a LoCo is free DVD's?
[18:56] <Kilos> hopefully after ten years theyll drop the need to re-evaluate
[18:56] <gremble> That is terribly superficial
[18:57] <gremble> It is almost ridiculous that we should be evaluated actually
[18:57] <Golynx> so Unity 8 is the memory hog
[18:57] <Lionthinker> would Canonical sending dvd's of all the flavours really encourage re-registration
[18:57] <nlsthzn> re-verification is about more than this.  It shows that we have been commited to the ideals of the ubuntu loco's and we are part of this global "family"
[18:58] <Lionthinker> gremble, its not about being evaluated, its about greater organisation that shows greater results
[18:58] <Lionthinker> nlsthzn, agreed
[18:58] <nlsthzn> as I said last time we don't need to be re-evaluated but getting re-evaluation isn't difficult
[18:58] <magespawn> you also get a free copy of the official ubuntu book
[18:58] <nuvolari> yeah, the re-verification urges increased participation
[18:58] <nlsthzn> please see the link I shared on the mailing list from one of the council members about re-verification
[18:58] <Kilos> very lekker book
[18:58] <magespawn> i think maia keeps ours
[18:59] <nlsthzn> he says if we spent more than three hours on it we spent to long
[18:59] <nuvolari> but when the team is too small and if the people don't have the resource-hours, it's troubling
[18:59] <nlsthzn> nuvolari, agreed, but that means we are not promoting enough etc...
[18:59] <gremble> If we re-evaluate, I suppose it is fine. I will do my part.
[18:59] <nlsthzn> spreading the word and getting people involved
[19:00] <Lionthinker> nlsthzn, I do that all the time anyway
[19:00] <gremble> I want to get the LUG at the University of Pretoria up and running again
[19:00] <gremble> It could be a child structure
[19:00] <nuvolari> nlsthzn: which is where we need the resource-hours that we don't have much of :P
[19:00] <nlsthzn> awesome Lionthinker :)_
[19:00] <Joe_knock> gremble: We are idealists in a world that doesn't need them, don't waste your time doing that
[19:00] <Lionthinker> gremble, now that's a great idea.
[19:01] <Lionthinker> what Joe_knock , institutions are the one place where cohesive actions around common objectives can be forged
[19:01] <nuvolari> some groups hate the idea fo being governed
[19:01] <nlsthzn> great thing about this is, if you have an idea run with it and surely others will follow (except if it is a terrible idea then we will just point and laugh :p)
[19:02] <nlsthzn> thing is locos are loosely governed by themselves and only need assistance from the council when they face something they can't handle
[19:02] <Kilos> nlsthzn: going on that link are we ok then?
[19:02] <Lionthinker> I don't ever get where we've been governed
[19:02] <nuvolari> maybe we should skip re-evaluation for 1 term?
[19:02] <nuvolari> and see how it goes
[19:03] <Joe_knock> What is Ubuntus policy for promoting other Linux distros?
[19:03] <nuvolari> I doub't everything will fall to pieces
[19:03] <nuvolari> *doubt
[19:03] <Kilos> no man nlsthzn has spent time already getting us up to date
[19:03] <nlsthzn> nothing will change being re-evaluated or not if we don't change what we do and how we do it
[19:03] <nuvolari> oh
[19:03] <nuvolari> :P
[19:03] <nuvolari> then we don't want that wasted
[19:04] <nuvolari> can somebody chair the reapproval meeting? please?
[19:04] <nlsthzn> I think ppl still misunderstand the concept of being verified and not?!
[19:04] <Kilos> nlsthzn: link?
[19:04] <inetpro> good evening
[19:04] <inetpro> Maaz: I am Gustav H Meyer
[19:04] <Maaz> inetpro: Done
[19:04] <nlsthzn> one moment uncle Kilos ... I was re-installing ubuntu so that is why I was late... :p
[19:04] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[19:05] <Lionthinker> In my understanding its just a health check to see if there are still a collective of people who still abide by the values of Ubuntu and have points of contact and social media sites and organise stuff occasionally
[19:05] <nlsthzn> some light reading - http://erielookingproductions.info/ubuntu/2014/11/57-verifying-verification/
[19:05] <gremble> Joe_knock: I was going to do it anyway, whether the world wanted me to or not
[19:05] <Kilos> no man
[19:05] <Kilos> the link to our page
[19:05] <nlsthzn> oh :p
[19:05] <nlsthzn> one moment :D
[19:06] <nlsthzn> oh and I did very little on the page, I think kbmonkey did most (I may be mistaken, could have been maya or someone else)
[19:06] <Kilos> so what else is needed?
[19:06] <nlsthzn> the ubuntu wiki is so SLOW!
[19:07] <nlsthzn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/ReVerificationApplication2014
[19:07] <Joe_knock> alright, so we get approval, but can we ask them for just one more freebee?
[19:07] <nlsthzn> we could use some more testimonials and also we need the team contact to pitch up and speak on our behalf
[19:08] <nlsthzn> you are not going to get xubuntu discs from Canonical Joe_knock :p
[19:08] <Kilos> ill see if the monkey will be availble
[19:08] <inetpro> nlsthzn: thanks for your efforts
[19:08]  * inetpro supports nlsthzn all the way
[19:08] <inetpro> we need more guys like him here
[19:08] <nlsthzn> no that would be a disaster!
[19:08] <Lionthinker> not sure what pitching up at the meeting means, but I'll help out if needed
[19:09] <inetpro> haha
[19:09] <nlsthzn> last time we had about 15 of us in the meeting...
[19:09] <Kilos> mainly support, moral and otherwise
[19:09] <nlsthzn> was awesome :D
[19:09] <nlsthzn> the council couldn't get a sentance in edge wise :p
[19:09] <Lionthinker> sounds like a party
[19:09] <nlsthzn> was :)
[19:09] <Lionthinker> why wouldn
[19:09] <Joe_knock> If this isn't too expensive: http://www.ubuntu.com/cloud/jumpstart-training   It would be nice if they gave us an Orange Box
[19:09] <nlsthzn> +
[19:09] <nlsthzn> +1
[19:10] <Lionthinker> why wouldn't we want to be evaluated then "sarcasm"
[19:10] <Lionthinker> Joe_knock, agreed, I'll keep it for all of us
[19:10] <nlsthzn> the orange box is seriously sexy
[19:11] <Joe_knock> Then I would donate my time to show the power of Ubuntu and OpenStack
[19:11] <nlsthzn> I believe our biggest concern is ensuring we have a team contact available and confirmed and that we have a date confirmed
[19:11] <nuvolari> nice work on the reapproval wiki!  Okay nevermind, free disks it is.
[19:12] <inetpro> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntumembers
[19:12] <nlsthzn> that is a lot of pounds
[19:12] <nlsthzn> search for not_found ;)
[19:13] <nlsthzn> I have been a member for about two years now I think (I am a moderator on ubuntuforums.org)
[19:13] <Lionthinker> aren't there requirements to become a member?
[19:13] <inetpro> nlsthzn: do you have a @ubuntu.com email alias that forwards to your real email address?
[19:13] <nlsthzn> yup
[19:13] <nlsthzn> not sure it is still working however :0p
[19:13] <inetpro> oh cool
[19:13] <Lionthinker> nlsthzn, do you get that by being a member?
[19:13] <nlsthzn> there is a few perks for being a member yes
[19:14] <Lionthinker> nlsthzn, such as?
[19:14] <nuvolari> :-/ I'm not a member
[19:14] <inetpro> you even have a certificate signed by sabdfl?
[19:14] <Joe_knock> Okay so we just need someone to be the main presenter on 16 December (which is a public holiday)
[19:14] <nlsthzn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership#Benefits_of_Membership
[19:15] <nlsthzn> nuvolari, I was wondering about that today... I am sure there are several people here on IRC that should qualify for all there hard work
[19:15] <Kilos> i dont see me there
[19:15] <Kilos> hi captine
[19:15] <captine> eve all.
[19:15] <captine> sorry i am so late.
[19:15] <Lionthinker> Perhaps we should turn this around, instead of arguing about verification, perhaps we should all look at becoming Ubuntu members and in that way perhaps broaden our own local community
[19:15] <nlsthzn> inetpro, I never received my certificate... this countries postal system makes SA look world class
[19:15] <Kilos> you want to identify yourself with maaz
[19:16] <Kilos> haha our postal system has been on strike for 4 months
[19:16] <captine> how do i do that again?
[19:16] <Joe_knock> Perhaps shuttleworth should've donated that $50 million to an alternate postal service
[19:17] <Kilos>   maa I am name
[19:17] <Lionthinker> and I ordered sev eral books days before they started!
[19:17] <superfly> Maaz: I am Raoul Snyman
[19:17] <Maaz> superfly: Alrighty
[19:17] <Kilos>   maaz
[19:17] <captine> Maaz, I am Bradley Putzier
[19:17] <Maaz> captine: Okay
[19:17] <nlsthzn> +1 Lionthinker , I am sure that there is people here that could qualify for membership
[19:17] <superfly> (now that my IRC client has finally logged in)
[19:17] <nlsthzn> *are people >.<
[19:17] <Kilos> wb superfly
[19:17] <captine> what's required for membership?
[19:17] <nlsthzn> \o/ so many people ! Hi all :)
[19:18] <nlsthzn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership there are different routes to membership
[19:18] <nuvolari> welcome captine, superfly :D
[19:18] <nlsthzn> some get it via IRC, some like me via forum participation
[19:18] <nlsthzn> others by being maintainers or devs etc
[19:18] <captine> thanks nuvolari
[19:18] <nlsthzn> some for work in the community ... different paths with different criteria
[19:19] <Kilos> ill need help doing that
[19:20] <Joe_knock> Kilos should be a member for IRC participation
[19:20] <nlsthzn> Joe_knock, you read my mind
[19:20] <nlsthzn> staph it!
[19:20] <nlsthzn> :p
[19:22]  * nlsthzn sees it is almost 23:30 in sand land...
[19:22] <Kilos> eish
[19:22] <nlsthzn> could we action someone to ensure we have a team contact and date?
[19:23] <Kilos> ill follow up on the monkey
[19:23] <Kilos> and keep you all informed on his availability'
[19:24] <Kilos> didnt maia say she would stay as contact too
[19:24] <nlsthzn> if he is contact this needs to be communicated to the council so they can add him to the correct launchpad teams etc also
[19:24] <Joe_knock> Let's do these 2 things. 1) Find a representative, 2) Find this person by 30 November, else someone else must step in
[19:25] <Kilos> the contact person has to have some time to do the customs route and be able to mail dvds to the different areas
[19:25] <nlsthzn> well lets give kbmonkey a chance to get in touch, sometimes life gets hectic
[19:26] <Lionthinker> someone should contact him anyway
[19:26] <Kilos> i will
[19:26] <nlsthzn> cool, here we can see who has worked on the document - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/ReVerificationApplication2014?action=info
[19:26] <nuvolari> oh come on! saving the wiki takes forever
[19:26] <Kilos> nuvolari: you still here?
[19:26] <Kilos> ah
[19:26] <nlsthzn> ubuntu wiki is slower than mud
[19:27] <Joe_knock> Okay well it doesn't matter about mailing the disks, as they will only get delivered in 2016 ;)
[19:27] <Kilos> lol
[19:27]  * nlsthzn is still waiting for 13.04 to arrive :'(
[19:27] <nuvolari> Maaz: agreed verify team contact for reapproval meeting
[19:27] <Maaz> Agreed: verify team contact for reapproval meeting
[19:27] <Kilos> they get fetched at customs
[19:27] <nuvolari> uhm, I think the wiki is borked
[19:28] <nlsthzn> try again later... it happens nuvolari
[19:28] <Kilos> who maintains the wiki?
[19:28] <nlsthzn> Canonical
[19:28] <Kilos> complain nlsthzn
[19:28] <nlsthzn> lol
[19:28] <nuvolari> nice. conflict
[19:28] <nlsthzn> could be because more than one person was fiddling on it
[19:29] <nlsthzn> just try not to delete everything :p
[19:29] <nlsthzn> guys I am out, I get up in less than 6 hours and I have a pregnant belly to rub ;)
[19:29] <Joe_knock> make a backup!
[19:29] <nlsthzn> good night
[19:30] <Kilos> night nlsthzn ty for attending
[19:30] <Joe_knock> tc nlsthzn
[19:30] <nlsthzn> my pleasure as always :)
[19:30] <captine> night
[19:30] <Lionthinker> thanks nlsthzn
[19:30] <Lionthinker> later all
[19:30] <nuvolari> o/ night nlsthzn
[19:30] <Kilos> inetpro: anything to add?
[19:31] <nuvolari> added testemonial
[19:31] <nuvolari> I need to get sleep too
[19:31] <nuvolari> wake at 4:30 to train at 5:00 :O
[19:31] <inetpro> sorry am having a terrible connection here again this evening
[19:31]  * inetpro trying to catch up
[19:31] <Kilos> what else is there of importance nuvolari ?
[19:31] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Next Meeting
[19:31] <Maaz> Current Topic: Next Meeting
[19:32] <nuvolari> Next meeting will probably the re-approval meeting, and one more around Christmas?
[19:32] <nuvolari> or will we skip that one?
[19:32] <nuvolari> meaning the next normal meeting will be in January?
[19:32] <Kilos> yip
[19:33] <Kilos> after re approval we can drift to january
[19:33] <nuvolari> ok, good idea
[19:33] <Kilos> 4th tuesday
[19:33] <Joe_knock> nuvolari: maia mentioned the next meeting should be on the 18th
[19:33] <nuvolari> Maaz: agreed next meeting after reapproval TBA for January
[19:33] <Maaz> Agreed: next meeting after reapproval TBA for January
[19:33] <inetpro> are we not supposed to be present for the re-verification meeting?
[19:33] <Kilos> yes inetpro
[19:33] <nuvolari> yeah
[19:34] <Kilos> thats the next meet
[19:34] <Kilos> date?
[19:34] <nuvolari> We need to find representatives(?)
[19:34] <Kilos> 18th?
[19:34] <Kilos> maiawill be here that night
[19:34] <nuvolari> ok
[19:34] <Kilos> then we just all join her
[19:34] <inetpro> when and what time?
[19:34] <captine> sorry to do this.  i am crashing.  really would like to get more involved where time permits.  not 100% sure where to help though (am accountant by trade so if there is something i can use those skills at, shout)
[19:35] <Kilos> ty captine
[19:35] <Kilos> lets all try make the re approval meeting
[19:35] <Kilos> ai!
[19:36] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Closing
[19:36] <Maaz> Current Topic: Closing
[19:36] <nuvolari> Well, for everyone still around, thanks for coming to the meeting
[19:36] <nuvolari> we will definitely try to up the activity in the new year
[19:36] <nuvolari> and see that we don't stagnate
[19:36] <Kilos> ty nuvolari for making the effort to come chair
[19:37] <nuvolari> The reapproval meeting is a chance to get new life back into the LoCo
[19:37] <Kilos> who will chair next meet
[19:37] <nuvolari> You're welcome oom Kilos
[19:37] <Kilos> me votes nuvolari
[19:37] <nuvolari> not sure, the next one will be the Re-Ap meeting
[19:37] <Golynx> nuvolari: good job
[19:37] <nuvolari> will see if I can make it
[19:38] <nuvolari> I'll tentatively be available
[19:38] <Kilos> we need a chair here then we join maia at the re app
[19:38] <nuvolari> Maaz: agreed tentative chair for Re-Ap: nuvolari
[19:38] <Maaz> Agreed: tentative chair for Re-Ap: nuvolari
[19:38] <nuvolari> yeah, I worded that wrong
[19:38] <nuvolari> they have their own chair
[19:38] <Kilos> nm
[19:38] <nuvolari> just need a table and cutlery
[19:38] <Kilos> hehe
[19:39] <Kilos> ok you need to go sleep too
[19:39] <Kilos> you old peeps cant take the punch
[19:39] <nuvolari> Maaz: end meeting
[19:39] <Maaz> Meeting Ended
[19:39] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-11-25-18-32-00.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-11-25-18-32-00.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-11-25-18-32-00.html
[19:40] <Kilos> ai! inetpro you gotta fix your connection man'
[19:40] <nuvolari> sorry, I screwed up the format a bit this time
[19:40] <nuvolari> Maaz: forget about meeting.minutes
[19:40] <Maaz> nuvolari: I didn't know about about meeting.minutes anyway
[19:40] <nuvolari> Maaz: meeting.minutes is http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-11-25-18-32-00.txt
[19:40] <Maaz> nuvolari: I already know stuff about meeting.minutes
[19:40] <nuvolari> Maaz: forget meeting.minutes
[19:40] <Maaz> nuvolari: Righto
[19:40] <nuvolari> Maaz: meeting.minutes is http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-11-25-18-32-00.txt
[19:40] <Maaz> nuvolari: I'll remember that
[19:41] <nuvolari> I need to dive
[19:41] <Kilos> night nuvolari ty lad
[19:41] <nuvolari> plesier oom Kilos :)
[19:41] <nuvolari> oom moet 'n lekker aand hê
[19:41] <Kilos> lekker slaap
[19:41] <nuvolari> good night everyone :)
[19:41] <Kilos> dankie
[19:42] <Joe_knock> all done? Kilos
[19:42] <Kilos> ya long meet that one
[19:42] <Kilos> nuvolari: end meet
[19:43] <Kilos> ai!
[19:43] <Kilos> Maaz: end meeting
[19:43] <Maaz> Kilos: I'm not going to listen to you
[19:43] <Kilos> lol
[19:43] <Kilos> inetpro: tell him
[19:43] <nuvolari> lol
[19:43] <nuvolari> already did oom Kilos
[19:43] <Kilos> ai! ek te stadig
[19:44] <Kilos> lekker slaap seun
[19:45] <Joe_knock> ill be off for a while too. tc folks
[19:49] <Kilos> ai! hard work to be a ubuntu member
[19:51] <Golynx> where is the beach when you need it lol
[19:52] <Kilos> hehe
[19:52] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:53] <Golynx> night Kilos
[20:34] <gremble> I think my router may be failing >.>


[00:03] <sybariten> Chunkyz: hmm that's true
[00:39] <Chunkyz> where is the cache stored for apt-get downloads?
[00:40] <sarnold> /var/cache/apt/archives/
[00:40] <Chunkyz> safe to delete them?
[00:40] <sarnold> yeah, the apt clean and apt autoclean tools make it super-easy :)
[00:41] <Chunkyz> can I delete the folder or do I need to do 1 by 1
[00:41] <sarnold> just use the apt subcommands
[00:42] <sarnold> I hope apt knows how to recreate the directory correctly if you delete that, but there's easy tools right there..
[00:42] <Chunkyz> thanks.
[00:55] <Chunkyz> Thanks 👍👍👍👍 saved me 1gb of space
[01:00] <Bashing-om> Chunkyz: There is also ' sudo apt autoremove ' that deletes what the package manager thinks as no longer needed.
[04:13] <Sven_vB> on some of my focal machones, /etc/resolv.conf points to ../run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolv.conf. shouldn't it point to ../run/systemd/resolve/resolv.conf instead? because that one has my DNS IPs in it. do I need to fix that manually on all affected machines? is it a one-time fix or will it happen on new installs, too?
[04:15] <matsaman> https://man.archlinux.org/man/systemd-resolved.8#/ETC/RESOLV.CONF
[04:19] <Sven_vB> thanks!
[04:21] <Sven_vB> oh. I see. now DNS works, before I even fixed anything. so I guess the failure earlier was something else.
[04:23] <Sven_vB> and my old "list all DNS servers" script fails because it only checks NetworkManager connections, whereas the purpose of my new config is to have DNS be independent from which connection I use. can I still query NM for the DNS IPs, should I just grep them from /run/systemd/resolve/resolv.conf, or is there an even better way?
[04:37] <Sven_vB> found resolvectl
[05:54] <cryptobug> hey yah all
[05:54] <cryptobug> patch all ubuntu now
[05:54] <cryptobug> is version unknown bug
[05:54] <cryptobug> apt update all
[06:36] <Guest42> i is using lutris to play games on linux
[06:36] <Guest42> my trouble is i have an old installer for a game called transport tycoon
[06:36] <Guest42> how i install it with lutris?
[06:36] <Guest42> it's exe file
[06:37] <Guest42> i see tutorials but don't understand
[08:36] <recyclehero> hi, when I connect to a wireless network in GUI. scripts in /etc/network/if-up.d doesnt run
[08:36] <recyclehero> I put echo something > ./somefile
[08:41] <osse> recyclehero: ls -l /etc/network/if-up.d/somefile
[08:42] <osse> also the file should start with #!/bin/sh or #!/bin/bash
[08:43] <recyclehero> osse: I meant the script conent is #!/bin/bash /n echo something > ./somefile which is placed in /etc/networks/if-up.d/somescript
[08:44] <osse> ok
[08:44] <osse> is /etc/networks/if-up.d/somescript executable?
[08:45] <recyclehero> yes
[08:45] <osse> what happens if you change the script to echo something > /home/recyclehero/somefile ?
[08:48] <recyclehero> it works
[08:48] <recyclehero> thanks
[08:48] <recyclehero> which user run the script?
[08:48] <recyclehero> can I use sudo
[08:48] <recyclehero> ?
[08:49] <recyclehero> what is the IF_OPENVPN in the openvpn script in up directory? I couldnt find it
[08:49] <recyclehero> printenv | grep IF_OPENVPN
[08:54] <osse> recyclehero: I don't know which user, but I guess it's your user
[08:55] <osse> the problem was the current directory. you are probably not allowed to write there
[09:10] <cryptobug> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JTgkRN3uD4
[09:10] <cryptobug> forbes magazine
[09:10] <cryptobug> is for billionare magazine tard
[09:10] <cryptobug> from billgates to everyone
[09:11] <cryptobug> of course only billionare among them know
[09:11] <cryptobug> now you all know
[10:23] <cryptobug> ///////iiasddasoaodsodoasdodsaldslldsammdnsdanadsjjsdahdashsdadsajsjdajsdajjdsaajsdjdsjjdsajasdjdasjdsaj
[10:33] <Wamphyri> lets say i want to mount \\<IP_ADDRESS>\alan\     using one set of credentials that would be different compared to \\<IP_ADDRESS>\andrew\ , so each folder would need its own username / password. can samba do that? if so whats it called and where is the faq? lol
[10:34] <Mathisen> Wamphyri, just create more users and add the share for that user
[10:34] <Wamphyri> and have is so each user can't see the other users folder?
[10:35] <Mathisen> yeah
[10:35] <Mathisen> smbpasswd -a foobar
[10:35] <Mathisen> then add entry for foobar in your smb.conf
[10:36] <Mathisen> like this https://bpa.st/NVLA
[10:36] <Wamphyri> what would i put into the smb.conf?
[10:37] <Mathisen> and after you add that entry you restart your samba service or reboot
[10:37] <Mathisen> systemctl restart samba
[10:38] <Wamphyri> thank you
[10:41] <cryptobug> all ubuntu
[10:41] <cryptobug> is absolute now
[10:41] <cryptobug> except kubuntu
[10:41] <cryptobug> good luck
[10:41] <Wamphyri> huh
[10:42] <Mathisen> it is chat bot ignore it
[10:42] <Mathisen> been baned from multiple channels already
[10:42] <Wamphyri> lol ok
[10:43] <Wamphyri> \\<IP_ADDRESS>\Share1 you might not have permission to use this network resource.
[10:47] <Mathisen> if you did what i said it should have worked. but im gonna back of if there is more to it on ubuntu. atleast on debian thats how i always do it. so someone else more specialized on ubuntu may comment on this
[10:48] <Wamphyri> samba is samba it should be pretty close to across the same lol
[10:48] <Mathisen> assuming the share exist and the user got access to it
[10:55] <kristian_on_linu> hi all
[10:55] <Chunkyz> How can I see *why* my USB3 external hdd every now an then disconnects?
[10:55] <kristian_on_linu> Firefox 98.0.1 on Ubuntu 20.04 ... I use a website that insists on hiding the scrollbars, which is driving me nuts! What can I do?
[10:56] <Mathisen> Chunkyz, dmesg
[10:56] <Chunkyz> Mathisen: anything I can grep?
[10:56] <Mathisen> Chunkyz, just tail dmesg and unplug and plug it in and it will show it
[10:56] <Mathisen> same will happen if it suddenly dc
[10:56] <Mathisen> and then you can grep after what it shows
[10:57] <Chunkyz> thanks! :-)
[10:57] <Mathisen> kristian_on_linu, hiding the scrollbar ? mind pm me the url ?
[10:58] <kristian_on_linu> Mathisen, I need to *unhide* ... and I can't share the URL, it is something confidential that I log into :(
[10:59] <EriC^^> Chunkyz: dmesg -w , easy way to follow it real-time
[10:59] <Chunkyz> I'll check when it next d/cs :-) thanks EriC^^
[11:00] <EriC^^> no problem
[11:02] <Mathisen> kristian_on_linu, i dont realy understand what you mean when you say it hides it :(
[11:02] <kristian_on_linu> you have to scroll over the bar to see it
[11:02] <Mathisen> if it only one website then the site is made to do it
[11:03] <kristian_on_linu> I want it there all the time ... I found an extension (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/custom-scrollbars/) ... but it does not seem to work
[11:03] <Mathisen> turning off java script would probably stop it of hideing , but that will also probably break the websites functions depending on site
[11:04] <kristian_on_linu> hurm
[11:09] <Wamphyri> omg i wanna shoot samba
[11:10] <cryptobug> kubuntu remember
[11:10] <cryptobug> that's all
[11:10] <cryptobug> and server
[11:10] <Wamphyri> yeah ok
[11:12] <Mathisen> Wamphyri, what have you done so far to test it
[11:13] <Mathisen> the share exist ? and whatever user have access to it right ?
[11:13] <Wamphyri> yeah i'm sharing the home folder of accounts
[11:13] <Wamphyri> so lets say /home/wamphyri/odoo
[11:14] <Wamphyri> sharing that
[11:14] <NeoFAT32> As Justin Bieber said, never say never.
[11:14] <Wamphyri> i have access to it
[11:14]  * NeoFAT32 is hiding behind a cactus.
[11:14] <Chunkyz> NeoFAT32: can we help with something? this *is* a support channel. take your offtopic to: /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:15] <Mathisen> Wamphyri, hmm yeah that should work right away
[11:16] <Wamphyri> yeah, you would hope lol
[11:16] <Mathisen> Wamphyri, and it accepts you user/pass when trying to login to the share and then gives the error ?
[11:17] <Wamphyri> can't access \\<IP_ADDRESS>
[11:17] <Wamphyri> if i type in \\<IP_ADDRESS>\share_yadda
[11:17] <Wamphyri> it asks for user name and password
[11:18] <Wamphyri> BUT it's grabbing my AD information
[11:18] <Chunkyz> set your samba password: sudo smbpasswd -a *username*
[11:18] <Wamphyri> yup
[11:19] <Chunkyz> then restart samba: sudo systemctl restart smbd
[11:19] <Wamphyri> root@edata:/etc/samba# service smbd stop
[11:19] <Wamphyri> root@edata:/etc/samba# service smbd start
[11:19] <Wamphyri> root@edata:/etc/samba#
[11:19] <Wamphyri> just did
[11:20] <cubic10> I've got a support question :)
[11:20] <cubic10> I am booting into Ubuntu on a Pi4, which is located on an SSD on the usb 3 port. 90% of the time, everything loads properly on boot. But occasionally, there is some error with the USB ports getting addressed properly, and the file system never loads. So eventually the busybox shell comes up. First, I am confused about exactly what is going on here,
[11:20] <cubic10> because the boot loader recognized the USB ports, and it seems at least some things loaded from the SSD. Because busy box loaded, and this is part of the Ubuntu side of things, right? But then something went wrong and the file system was unable to finish loading?
[11:20] <cubic10> My question is: Is there a way to have it reboot automatically from the busy box shell?
[11:20] <Mathisen> Wamphyri, try to mount it in terminal as a test to whatever folder
[11:20] <Mathisen> Wamphyri, sudo mount -t cifs //<IP_ADDRESS>/foobar ~/folder_to_mount_to -o user=foobar
[11:23] <Wamphyri> Mathisen, mount: /srvs: bad option; for several filesystems (e.g. nfs, cifs) you might need a /sbin/mount.<type> helper program.
[11:26] <Mathisen> Wamphyri, install cifs-utils
[11:27] <Wamphyri> it assked me for a password
[11:27] <Wamphyri> entered it in and thats it lol
[11:27] <Mathisen> nice
[11:27] <Mathisen> then the share works
[11:28] <Wamphyri> yup but i can't access it via a windows machine
[11:28] <Wamphyri> which is a must
[11:29] <Mathisen> well that should be the same thing
[11:29] <Mathisen> there is no logic for it not to work on a window machine
[11:29] <Mathisen> only thing that would prevent it is using smb1 and that you are not doing
[11:29] <Wamphyri> the windows machine is on a domain
[11:29] <Wamphyri> the linux machine is not attached to the domain
[11:30] <Mathisen> well can the windows machine ping the ip ?
[11:30] <Wamphyri> when i try and connect to the linux machine is always comes up with my domain name
[11:30] <Wamphyri> yup
[11:30] <Wamphyri> i can ssh, ftp, etc to it
[11:30] <Mathisen> is this your domain ?
[11:31] <Mathisen> set up a login script for the user in the GPO settings on the domain controller
[11:32] <Wamphyri> the company i work for lol
[11:32] <Wamphyri> lets just say its a shit show
[11:32] <Mathisen> heh ok.. well ask the domain admin then
[11:32] <Wamphyri> i can have the samba server bind to the domain, but i prefer not to
[11:32] <Mathisen> it is not ment that regular users start mounting random things
[11:32] <Mathisen> that is kinda obvious
[11:32] <Wamphyri> right, only 8 users need access to this
[11:33] <Wamphyri> i think that mount just broke my system
[11:33] <Mathisen> just unmount it
[11:33] <Mathisen> sudo umount /mount/point
[11:34] <Wamphyri> it won't
[11:34] <Mathisen> it won't ?
[11:34] <Wamphyri> yup, just hangs lol
[11:34] <Wamphyri> i have to ctrl c
[11:35] <Mathisen> ok, strange, in any case a reboot and it will not be mounted anymore
[11:35] <Wamphyri> might you i might be just getting impatient
[11:36] <Wamphyri> ever get the feeling you made a promise and now the promise is adding glue and sand to the broom handle as he looks at you with love in his eyes?
[11:36] <Wamphyri> and yeah i was just being impatient
[11:37] <cubic10> Chunkyz: any ideas?
[11:41] <Wamphyri> Mathisen, do you have any global configuration with your samba?
[11:43] <Mathisen> nope just the default stuff like workgroup and interface
[11:43] <Chunkyz> cubic10: ideas to what?
[11:46] <cubic10> Chunkyz: I posted a question
[11:46] <Chunkyz> And? what do you want me to do?
[11:47] <cubic10> Help me if you knew the answer :)
[11:47] <Chunkyz> !patience | cubic10
[11:48] <cubic10> When the filesystem fails to properly load, and the busy box shell comes up, is there anyway to make the system automatically reboot? Like, is there a way to have busy box run crontab?
[11:49] <Chunkyz> You're probably using too much power from the USB3 ports on your RPI...
[11:50] <cubic10> Yes, that probably is the underlying issue. But it works 9 out of 10 times. So if there was a way to have it automatically reboot from busy box, it would resolve 90% of the time on the first reboot :)
[11:51] <Chunkyz> No.
[11:51] <cubic10> No way to make it auto reboot?
[11:51] <Chunkyz> Nope, fix your USB3 power hogging.
[11:55] <cubic10> The interesting thing is the bootloader is doing just fine
[11:55] <Wamphyri> cubic10, think of busy box as safe mode, if you need it to do something beyond its intentions you'll need to grab the source, and program it in then re-create the iso to support that busy box.. (i think thats about right)
[11:56] <Wamphyri> Mathisen, should i add samba to the domain?
[11:58] <cubic10> Wamphyri: That makes sense. So there are no user configurable settings for busy box?
[11:58] <Wamphyri> nope
[11:58] <Wamphyri> just ment for recovery
[12:00] <cubic10> or any settings at all that get loaded before busy box comes up? Because I would also be happy if it would just reboot instead of going into the 'safe mode'
[12:02] <Wamphyri> this is reminding me of conversations with my 15 year old, lol hey dad lemmi ask you the same question 1000 different ways lol
[12:03] <Wamphyri> cubic10, its not designed like that, once kernel hits a panic it goes busy box
[12:03] <linux> hallow
[12:03] <cubic10> okay. thanks
[12:04] <linux> mypooo
[12:05] <linux> mebey
[12:06] <cubic10> btw, I'm not sure I would describe my situation as a panic, because it actually tries for about 5 minutes to find the file system, and then it says "I give up" -> busy box
[12:06] <cubic10> I'm just not very familiar with the early stages of the the boot process
[12:09] <Slartibart> All of a sudden sound is played at a lower speed than it should be, when I listen to web radio it sounds like the songs are played in slow motion. Anyone experienced this? Can I try reinstalling the sound drivers?
[12:12] <cubic10> Wamphyri: Do you know the name of the process that has successfully loaded?
[12:12] <cubic10> (loaded enough to present busy box?)
[12:13] <Wamphyri> cubic10, https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/59018/create-and-control-start-up-scripts-in-busybox
[12:13] <Wamphyri> enjoy
[12:13] <cubic10> ty
[12:14] <Wamphyri> make a backup of your iso
[12:23] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:23] <Chunkyz> BluesKaj: can we help with something?
[12:29] <Slartibart> It seems there's something wrong with my normal sound output, if I change the output to one with a different driver the sound is played at the correct speed. Inxi output for the bad one is "Device-3: Micro Star USB Audio type: USB driver: hid-generic,snd-usb-audio,usbhid". Can I somehow reset(?) that driver?
[12:43] <Wamphyri> Mathisen, well i can see the drve, i can access the drive. but i can also access everyone elses
[12:46] <codez> Slartibar: try bringing up alsamixer in terminal
[12:46] <codez> and see if there's anything you can change/set there to sort it
[12:47] <rob0> another suggestion is to check modinfo(8) for the relevant modules, perhaps you can tweak the driver
[13:01] <Payam54> hi
[13:02] <Payam54> I can not install anything and get this error: "E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem." and when I type that command the whole computer freezes.
[13:03] <wez> Hi Payam541
[13:04] <Payam54> Hi wez
[13:04] <tomreyn> Payam54: run this: cat /proc/version && lsb_release -ds    - what does it output?
[13:04] <wez> Payam54: Is it freezing to give you the time to enter in your sudo password?
[13:05] <Payam54> tomreyn : Linux version 5.4.0-90-generic (buildd@lcy01-amd64-026) (gcc version 7.5.0 (Ubuntu 7.5.0-3ubuntu1~18.04)) #101~18.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Fri Oct 22 09:25:04 UTC 2021 Ubuntu 18.04.5 LTS
[13:05] <Payam54> wez no it does do some lines and then stucks at one point
[13:05] <Payam54> something with configurating kernel
[13:06] <tomreyn> can you take a photo and upload it to imgur.com (or similar)?
[13:07] <Payam54> tomreyn I am using remote desktop. I already asked multiple people to restart my computer :(
[13:08] <tomreyn> oh, i see
[13:08] <tomreyn> then run this and post the url it returns here for now: dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999
[13:08] <wez> tomreyn: Yeah, imgur or preferably something with less ads
[13:09] <tomreyn> wez: namely?
[13:10] <Payam54> wez: I did
[13:10] <wez> tomreyn: Self hosted Apache server
[13:11] <tomreyn> Payam54: good, whats the http address that was printed?
[13:11] <Payam54> tomreyn I did. Nothing happens
[13:11] <Payam54> I am waiting
[13:11] <tomreyn> wez: i dont think its a good time to ask Payam54 to set one up now
[13:11] <wez> tomreyn: Why not?
[13:11] <Enissay> I have an issue with filezilla, it works fine, but when I am on VPN (local access only not internet), it just refuses to start... Any idea how to fix ?
[13:12] <Payam54> tomreyn Do you want me to paste the output of dmesg?
[13:12] <tomreyn> Payam54: can you try again? this should print a http address normally:   dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999
[13:12] <Payam54> it is computer company. maybe the ports are closed
[13:13] <Payam54> computer froze
[13:13] <tomreyn> Payam54: hmm, i guess this will need to be handled on site.
[13:13] <wez> Enissay: Does scp or rsync still work?
[13:13] <tomreyn> likely a hardware problem
[13:14] <wez> Payam54: Throw it in the bin and stop buying DELLs
[13:14] <Payam54> tomreyn someone accidently turned off my pc
[13:14] <Payam54> haha
[13:14] <Payam54> I will try it again
[13:15] <Enissay> wez: I meant that the FileZilla GUI doesnt even open up. As of rsync, it works fine. scp I dont use
[13:16] <tomreyn> Enissay: try starting filezilla from a terminal emulator
[13:16] <tomreyn> see if it prints anything useful
[13:17] <Slartibart> codez, rob0: Thanks! Will check now.
[13:19] <wez> Enissay: Oh, thanks for elaberating.  Ummmm. any reason not to just use rsync?  Or are you using some advanced queueing feature?
[13:20] <Payam54> tomreyn https://pastebin.com/wejMHyLE
[13:32] <Enissay> tomreyn: It just get stuck at reading config `Reading locale option from /home/user/.config/filezilla/filezilla.xml`. I tried removing that file relaunching... nothing changes
[13:34] <Enissay> wez: It actually holds my list of servers, easy to pick from there. Also, thanks to export feature, it is easy to keep multiple sessions synced (win/linux)
[13:37] <Enissay> Anyhow, for now I will just have to lunch before turning on VPN and hope I wont forget :x
[13:48] <RiFo> hello, is there a good way to turn an ubuntu installation into a virtual machine?
[13:50] <Anna28> hi
[13:52] <wez> hi
[13:53] <Anna28>  Jerk off with a random girl. Website: chica.monster
[13:55] <wez> Anna28: Sounds a bit offtopic to me
[13:55] <wez> Anna28: Although, I am not an op, so I can't confirm.
[14:11] <sprnk[m]> RiFo: what are you trying to do exactly? make a bare-metal install into a vm?
[14:12] <RiFo> sprnk[m]: yes, harddrive is about to die, and the hardware in general is ancient, not worth upgrading
[14:13] <leftyfb> RiFo: backup and fresh install
[14:13] <leftyfb> RiFo: trying to convert a bare metal install with a failing drive to a virtual machine is a fruitless effort
[14:14] <RiFo> it is not failing yet, smart is putting out the first harddrive errors, so its going to fail soon
[14:16] <leftyfb> RiFo: there are 3 states of a hard drive: 1. perfectly healthy with no alerts   2. failing with alerts, potential loss of data  3. failed, completely inaccessible
[14:20] <oerheks> bad sectors grow, over time
[14:25] <sprnk[m]> +1 for leftyfb's suggestion
[14:27] <sprnk[m]> you could make a VM on another device and rsync the files you want if that's an option
[14:32] <RiFo> Damn i just noticed i can use virtualbox itself to copy a disk into a vdi
[14:33] <RiFo> (took me a bit to get the right keywords for the search)
[14:33] <zen_coder> I want to format my USB stick, but I get following msg:
[14:34] <zen_coder> "This Partition cannot be modfied because it contains a partion table; please reinitiliaze layout of the whole device. (udisks-error-quark, 11)
[14:34] <RiFo> sprnk[m]: i found this  ((https://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch08.html#vboxmanage-convertfromraw))
[14:34] <zen_coder> on this stick I have ubuntu OS flashed
[14:35] <leftyfb> zen_coder: are you using gparted?
[14:36] <zen_coder> leftyfb: I am using normal ubtunu format function
[14:36] <leftyfb> zen_coder: use gparted (though I don't know what "normal ubuntu format function" is )
[14:40] <zen_coder> okay, this seems to works
[14:40] <zen_coder> how can i format it to exFAT with gparted?
[14:40] <zen_coder> doesnt show me any option
[14:43] <leftyfb> zen_coder: https://askubuntu.com/a/999581/1151311   first result on google for "ubuntu format exfat with gparted"
[14:45] <codez> zen_coder: install the exfat-utils
[14:45] <codez> using apt
[14:46] <leftyfb> codez: depends on the version of ubuntu as per the link I just posted
[14:53] <craigbass76> Is there a command I can use to list all of the installed printer drivers?
[14:53] <codez> ahh leftyfb kk
[15:09] <Payam49> Hi, When I try to install something what I get is : `E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. when installing kernel` when I run that command the whole computer freezes. What do I do? :(
[15:12] <oerheks> installing a kernel can take some time.. how do you do that, btw?
[15:12] <Payam49> oerheks to me?
[15:13] <oerheks> Payam49, yes, as one does not install a kernel manually, it comes through updates
[15:16] <Payam49> Now I could solve the error
[15:16] <Payam49> but when I instal git I get this and the entire computer is freezing
[15:16] <Payam49> https://imgur.com/a/fhBKCXJ
[15:17] <Payam49> it was the same error as before. it stops at update-initramfs
[15:18] <oerheks> 201 not upgraded
[15:18] <oerheks> time to do 'apt dist-upgrade'
[15:18] <oerheks> then install stuff
[15:18] <Payam49> oerheks I am not allowed to upgrade the disto by the company
[15:18] <oerheks> and freeze; does toggling num lock work?
[15:18] <oerheks> oh, that is bad
[15:18] <oerheks> good luck!
[15:18] <Payam49> nothing works at all
[15:30] <carnophage2> hi
[15:40] <enigma9o7[m]> http://localhost:631 has some printer info
[15:55] <armadefuego> @Payam49 git does not require initramfs. that is _usually_ triggered by a kernel-ish update. You must have a pending update that did not complete. Maybe the people that said you can not upgrade the distro might know why?
[16:00] <armadefuego> one possibility is to download the git package and install it directly.
[16:02] <oerheks> armadefuego, interesting, as 201 not upgraded
[16:02] <oerheks> he created an impossible situation
[16:04] <armadefuego> If you look at the screenshot you see that git is _already_ at the latest update.
[16:04] <armadefuego> The problem is that a previous update (updated kernel?) did not complete.
[16:08] <armadefuego> And there is something that is not allowing the initramfs to complete. That is where the apt is hanging. the computer may not be fully frozen, or it might be.
[16:08] <armadefuego> Initramfs may be hitting some operation that is not working on the hardware.
[16:11] <armadefuego> for example a hardware lock on sector 0 writes could freeze a computer.
[16:13] <armadefuego> ( the numlock test is to check if the computer is servicing interrupts. It is possible that it is servicing a higher level interrupt.
[16:19] <craigbass76> I'm using rdesktop to get into a windows machine. When I print from an app (print to pdf) I'm told that any formatting problems are due to my setup. Anyone know how to tell rdesktop where to find a printer driver? They're saying HP4, but I'm guessing they mean the laserjet4100 driver that everyone used for years.
[16:20] <SkinnyCa_> Has anyone else seen issues using the Intel Psteps driver with an intel 8000 series? I have a I7 8650U and it stays locked at 800mhz even at 100% load. AC/DC power make no difference. I disabled the pstate driver and the acpi driver sorta works, but never gets to 4.2Ghz, only 3.9. Thoughts?
[16:27] <amoe> In Focal Fossa, on a CLI-only server, what's the best way to enable a network interface so that it comes up on boot?
[16:28] <leftyfb> amoe: if it's configured properly, it will come up on boot
[16:28] <leftyfb> amoe: https://netplan.io/examples/
[16:31] <amoe> leftyfb: thanks, it's the first time I've heard about netplan.
[16:33] <loganrun> is there any way to add a right click option to create a file, say a .txt file?
[16:33] <loganrun> to the "Files" program
[16:34] <leftyfb> loganrun: try https://vitux.com/add-new-document-back-to-the-right-click-menu-in-ubuntu-18-04/
[16:35] <leftyfb> loganrun: https://itsfoss.com/add-new-document-option/
[16:36] <loganrun> thanks I'll check it out
[16:40] <loganrun> hmm, the Templates folder does not seem to be used at all by Files
[16:41] <loganrun> oh, does seem to work if I click on "documents" first
[16:42] <loganrun> not quite what I wan't but a start
[16:56] <carnophage2> i'm running ubuntu in a vm on vbox
[16:56] <nunya> how do I clear the auoremove list. I removed cinnamon desktop and left gnome an Ubunt Ubuntu Wayland instaleld. Now my apt autoremove list contains blueman, hexchat,a and abotu 50 other things that I know are part of Ubunt. I don't want to unistall any of these. How do I clear the autoremove list without unistalling any of the packages it contains?
[16:56] <carnophage2> and the window manager is way choppy and slow
[16:56] <carnophage2> i have switched the vbox display, used compiz to remove stuff
[16:57] <carnophage2> still kind of clanky
[16:57] <carnophage2> followed several guides online
[16:57] <carnophage2> is there something to be done?
[16:57] <nunya> excuse all the typos pleae
[16:57] <nunya> my keyboard and my typing sucks
[16:58] <leftyfb> nunya: you have to reinstall whatever package you removed that those packages depend on
[16:58] <leftyfb> carnophage2: compiz is no longer installed by default and I'm pretty sure not supported. What version of ubuntu are you running?
[16:58] <jhutchins> carnophage2: You'd probably start with examining your hardware, your system loads outside the VM, the VM software, the hardware and software virtualized to the VM, and other factors.  Ubuntu on a random VM is not enough to diagnose.
[16:59] <rollappuser> whats up
[16:59] <rollappuser> how are you
[16:59] <rollappuser> this is
[16:59] <rfm> carnophage2, do you have the vbox 3d support enabled (must install guest additions, enable it in vm settings)
[16:59] <rollappuser> cool
[16:59] <nunya> leftyfb: That would be Cinnamon Desktop Environment and I don't want Cinnamon any more
[17:00] <leftyfb> rollappuser: welcome to the ubuntu support channel. If you have an issue, please give as much detail as possible. If you just want to chat, try #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:00] <rollappuser> i have a free version of rollapp
[17:00] <rollappuser> thats all
[17:00] <rollappuser> honestly
[17:01] <rfm> carnophage2, I found I was happier with the xfce desktop (Xubuntu) in a VM than gnome
[17:01] <carnophage2> i have guest additions and also vbox 3d enabled
[17:01] <leftyfb> nunya: sudo apt install gnome-shell-common
[17:01] <carnophage2> xfce?
[17:01] <carnophage2> how do i install this?
[17:01] <carnophage2> i'll google it.
[17:02] <leftyfb> carnophage2: please share the version of ubuntu you are running:    ( cat /etc/os-release ; uname -a ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:02] <leftyfb> nunya: or:   sudo apt install --reinstall gnome-shell gnome-shell-common
[17:04] <rfm> carnophage2, apt install xubuntu-desktop should do it, although I think that leaves you with gdm instead of xubuntu normal lightdm.  installing anew from the xubuntu would result in a more normal config
[17:05] <nunya> leftyfb: gnome-shell-common is already the newest version (3.36.9-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>).
[17:05] <nunya> gnome-shell-common set to manually installed. Then a long list of stuff I can autoremove. See pastebin https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6kqpSs7rS7/
[17:05] <carnophage2> 20.04.4 LTS
[17:07] <nunya> leftyfb: hexchat is among them. I am currently using hexchat to communicate with you
[17:09] <leftyfb> carnophage2: I was also looking for the kernel, which is why I requested the full output
[17:10] <carnophage2> kernel is latest version available.
[17:11] <leftyfb> carnophage2: please post the output of  ( cat /etc/os-release ; uname -a ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:11] <nunya> leftyfb: I tried  sudo apt install --reinstall gnome-shell gnome-shell-common Then sudo apt update. I then just tried sudo apt install nano just tos ee if all the autoremove stuff still popped up. It did.
[17:12] <oerheks> a slow VM could be a slow host issue
[17:12] <leftyfb> nunya: at this point, it's probably just easier to "install" the packages from that list you know you still need/want
[17:13] <nunya> Is the autoremove list editable? I just want it empty so nothing is accidentally uninstalled forcing me to have to reinstall my system.
[17:14] <nunya> leftyfb:I don't know which ones I need or want and there are so many
[17:14] <carnophage2> output "https://termbbin.com/vbpc"
[17:15] <leftyfb> carnophage2: tried installing the virtualbox extension pack
[17:16] <leftyfb> ?
[17:16] <nunya> leftyb: I guess I could just be careful and ignore the autoremove list in terminal and Synaptic
[17:16] <carnophage2> lefty, i'll look into it right away
[17:17] <leftyfb> nunya: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/J3xSG7xtnH/
[17:20] <carnophage2> extension pack was previously installed
[17:20] <nunya> leftyfb: Ok, so install everything in the autoremove list. Clever if it works!
[17:20] <leftyfb> nunya: I left out the libraries. Some of those should get removed from the list after installing the other packages. The rest can probably be removed
[17:22] <nunya> leftyfb: If any of the libraries are need apps will complain then I can reinstalll them right?
[17:22] <leftyfb> yep
[17:22] <nunya> leftyfb: Thanks
[17:26] <nunya> leftyfb: Thanks that reduced autoremove list to 2 libbudgie-plugin0 libfwupdplugin1 I will check in Synaptic to make sure these are available if needed again. Then I will uninstall them.
[17:28] <leftyfb> nunya: you probably want libfwupdplugin1. The other can go
[17:29] <nunya> leftyfb: I will try the install again trick and see if that clears them fro the autoremove list
[17:32] <nunya> leftyfb: That worked! Thanks for your help! I'm going to put this in my computer support file.
[17:40] <carnophage2> i installed wine
[17:40] <carnophage2> and then some programs
[17:40] <carnophage2> removed wine
[17:40] <carnophage2> but the programs still show on my applications list on ubuntu, the windows ones
[17:41] <carnophage2> is there any way to remove them?  Could anyone show me the way?
[17:42] <nunya> leftyfb: Yeah I don't even have budgie. I was trying a clock applet for budgie just to see if it works on Ubuntu. It doesn't. I found dclock but it's kind of ugly. It works though.
[17:44] <knightwise> moved up to the ubuntu beta today
[17:44] <knightwise> 22.04 looks good
[17:44] <leftyfb> !ubuntu-next | knightwise
[17:44] <leftyfb> !next | knightwise
[17:45]  * knightwise loves me some jellyfish
[17:45] <nunya> leftyfb: One more question. I've been Googling but having a hard time finding: How do I get an application wind to open on right side or the screen? Just this one app though not all.
[17:46] <nunya> leftyfb: Ubuntu 20.04 if that matters
[17:47] <nunya> window
[17:52] <jhutchins> nunya: That's usually something you can feed to the application on the startup command, either as a part of a shortcut/icon, a menu item, or just from the Alt-F2 launcher (best to test it here first).
[17:52] <jhutchins> nunya: Look at the docs for the application and see what it offers.
[17:53] <nunya> jhutchins: thanks I 'll check dclock --help
[17:54] <jhutchins> nunya: Yeah, dclock should have position/geometery parameters.  Pretty sure xclock does.
[17:57] <nunya> jhutchins: nothing in dcloc --help about placement. I will try xclock. Unfortunately xclock -digital is not resizeable the window is but the time isn't.
[17:58] <nunya> I need a big digital clock on my desktop so I can see it from my bed across the room from my computer.
[18:02] <jhutchins> You might check for a manpage or /usr/share/doc
[18:02] <jhutchins> Internal help files for X applications are pretty sparse and unimplemented.
[18:23] <nunya> jhutchins: found -gemoetry for dclock in man page but not help. Figure out geomerty with xwininfo -id $(xprop -root | grep "_NET_ACTIVE_WINDOW(WINDOW)" | grep -Eo "0x[0-9a-f]{2,}") Then just palyed with X and Y cordinates until I liked the placement. Thanks for your help. The direction to man page led me to the answer.
[19:10] <kinghat> how does the docker snap update? will it restart containers at unwanted times?
[19:16] <oerheks> kinghat, a good read; see "refresh-mode: endure "  https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/docker-snap-what-happens-when-snap-is-updated/20291
[19:17] <Lumpio-> People run snap in production...?
[19:17] <oerheks> and the point to https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/wip-refresh-app-awareness/10736
[19:17] <oerheks> Lumpio-, some docker people do.. and they can
[19:18] <kinghat> Lumpio-: lxd is snap too
[19:18] <Lumpio-> oh no
[19:57] <kinghat> oerheks: so i gather that it might not work for for the docker snap? i dont see anything related to it in the docker snap repo 🤔
[20:40] <BASHitup> k
[20:43] <Aavar> I am trying to build my own docker container, but it keeps restarting for some reason.  Can you tell me what is wrong with my Dockerfile?
[20:43] <Aavar> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/R89Nf6Zd3t/
[20:44] <Aavar> i'm sorry... wrong channel.
[21:15] <tenikokoro> Hi
[21:22] <Chunkyz> my HDD is still disconnecting and I looked at dmesg: https://paste.debian.net/1235511/ any ideas what's going wrong?
[21:24] <tomreyn> use sg_ses to find out more about the disk(s) in this scsi enclosure
[21:25] <Chunkyz> it's a WD USB3 external HDD, it's not an scsi enclosure
[21:26] <BASHitup> OFF TOPIC!
[21:26] <tomreyn> BASHitup: how so?
[21:26] <BASHitup> I'm kidding. No, I'm sort of being facetious.
[21:26] <Chunkyz> tomreyn: https://paste.debian.net/1235512/
[21:27] <BASHitup> I'd say if it involves any sys process and interacts with the kernel, it's fine.
[21:27] <BASHitup> Yes ... even then, the Ubuntu polic will come. And when they do you get ... WHACK BOOM BANG ... INSTANT-MEGABAN
[21:27] <Chunkyz> tomreyn: deal with this troll please.
[21:27] <tomreyn> BASHitup: this might happen if you keep chatting like this here.
[21:28] <Chunkyz> tomreyn: any ideas? I'm clueless
[21:28] <BASHitup> Since when is dissent equated with trolling?
[21:28] <tomreyn> Chunkyz: which hardware is this?
[21:28] <tomreyn> BASHitup: please stay on topic, ubuntu support
[21:28] <Chunkyz> tomreyn: WD portable USB3 HDD.
[21:29] <BASHitup> "please stay on topic ..." disrupts the Ubuntu topic workflow. Yellow card.
[21:29] <tomreyn> Chunkyz: canyou be more specific?
[21:29] <Chunkyz> tomreyn: sec let me get the link
[21:29] <BASHitup> That's like 45 seconds without Nix talk.
[21:30] <oerheks> BASHitup, that is not helpfull at all.
[21:30] <BASHitup> Yeah ... so I will help and not make wisecracks. Yet, everyone will quickly see that every clause is parsed and may or may not be rejected based on topic rules - arbitrarily conceived. What is the sys proc invoked by this drive issue?
[21:31] <Chunkyz> tomreyn: it's this https://www.westerndigital.com/en-gb/products/portable-drives/wd-my-passport-usb-3-0-hdd-recertified#RWDBYFT0020BBK-WESN
[21:31] <BASHitup> can you see the HDD using lsusb?
[21:32] <BASHitup> *chunkyz
[21:32] <Chunkyz> Bus 002 Device 013: ID 1058:25e1 Western Digital Technologies, Inc. My Passport 25E1
[21:32] <BASHitup> K, so it reads. That's something
[21:32] <oerheks> run a fsck https://askubuntu.com/questions/1098436/wd-my-passport-usb-drive-not-recognized
[21:32] <BASHitup> Then you can see what it looks like in <ls /dev>
[21:32] <Chunkyz> it'll disconnect again
[21:32] <Chunkyz> oerheks: it's reconized though, just keeps unmounting
[21:32] <BASHitup> You switched ports to make sure it's not a port issue - rather than an Ubuntu issue?
[21:32] <Chunkyz> yes.
[21:33] <BASHitup> And, honestly, given that the USB functions on a lower level than the OS ... I mean, this is not really an Ubuntu thing. Which makes me sound like a hypocrite for sure
[21:33] <BASHitup> The USB process should be conistent based on the kernel version or the drivers which pertain to the kernel - not the OS itself.
[21:33] <sarnold> I can't imagine running ses on a usb disk is very useful
[21:34] <oerheks> wd passport, i read a lot of issues, mostly solved with fsck, but if it keeps disconnecting.. power issue?
[21:35] <Chunkyz> ahh think reparing worked. I wondered why windows 10 wouldn't see it, even though it's ntfs. thanks oerheks :-)
[21:35] <oerheks> maybe usb3 ( blue)  or usb2 makes a difference
[21:36] <Chunkyz> I'll see if it carries on disconnecting.
[21:36] <leftyfb> Chunkyz: the mybooks go to sleep on their own
[21:36] <leftyfb> Chunkyz: https://askubuntu.com/questions/891173/disable-spinning-down-of-hdd-in-16-04
[21:36] <Chunkyz> leftyfb: it's not a mybook but thanks.
[21:37] <leftyfb> same with the passports
[21:40] <Chunkyz> the repair seems to have worked :-)
[21:41] <oerheks> Chunkyz, in gnome disks, one could set Drive settings > standby > never ..
[21:42] <Chunkyz> oerheks: it's greyed out :-9
[21:42] <oerheks> but for external i do not think that sticks
[21:42] <oerheks> oh
[22:25] <philipp64> is it a known issue that pastebinit doesn't actually work with -b pastebin.com ?
[22:25] <philipp64> I keep getting 405 Method not allowed.
[22:26] <Lumpio-> pastebin.com is the worst pastebin
[22:28] <oerheks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/pastebinit/+bug/1925245
[22:29] <oerheks> known issue
[22:33] <philipp64> oerheks: also https://bugs.launchpad.net/pastebinit/+bug/1921487
[22:34] <philipp64> "don't fix it because Pastebin is hostile to Tor"??? really?
[22:35] <oerheks> or the captcha..
[22:51] <Unit193> philipp64: If you actually care, that's pretty easy to fix.
[22:51] <philipp64> great. how?
[22:52] <codez> guys any idea how to set cpu scaling off on ubuntu for a i9900k?
[22:52] <jhutchins> !paste
[22:52] <Unit193> Copy /usr/share/pastebin.d/pastebin.com.conf to /etc/pastebin.d/pastebin.com.conf, change the regex to: regexp = https?://((([a-zA-Z0-9\-_\.]*)(pastebin\.com)))   and right below that line add 'https = True'
[22:53] <jhutchins> philipp64: There are many reasons to avoid pastebin.  Among others, it's blocked by a lot of networks because has spread malware.  Just don't.
[22:54] <oerheks> why messing with cpu scaling? oke you can ..
[22:54] <oerheks> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/jammy/man1/cpupower-gui.1.html
[22:55] <philipp64> doesn't paste.ubuntu.com require credentials?
[22:55] <codez> oerheks ty ty
[22:56] <Unit193> philipp64: Yeah it has annoying login requirements.
[22:58] <jhutchins> Hm, that's new to me.  There are others.
[23:00] <jhutchins> philipp64: http://paste.debian.net is still open.
[23:00] <oerheks> Maybe that is why termbin.com is populair
[23:01] <jhutchins> Let's find the things that make Ubuntu broadly popular and accessible and break them.
[23:23] <Aarch64debian> ubuntu is bad, baduntu
[23:25] <sarnold> jhutchins: IS folks were spending hours each day dealing with horrible things on the pastebin :(
[23:26] <Unit193> sarnold: Understandable, but then I'm going to go to a pastebin that doesn't have such requirements, and advocate against its use too.  Perhaps it's best to push that responsibility elsewhere?
[23:27] <sarnold> Unit193: aye, I've switched to termbin.com too, it's so much easier to use
[23:27] <Aarch64debian> what never end drums
[23:27] <genii> heh
[23:27] <sarnold> the debian pastebin is nice if I want something a bit 'webbier' to work with
[23:27] <oerheks> sarnold, maybe opening an account passes through
[23:28] <sarnold> oerheks: I spent five or ten minutes trying to configure pastebinit to do account things but it was way more annoying than just switching pastebins
[23:57] <Aarch64debian> baduntu


[16:10] <awafaa> im somewhat confused, on the release page on the wiki it's mentioned that there is an aarch64 image available for arm foundation models, but on the download page it only shows aarch64 for cavium thunder
[16:11] <awafaa> where can i grab the foundation model image from?


[16:21] <zkriesse> akgraner: ping
[16:21] <akgraner> pong
[16:21] <zkriesse> akgraner: ok, need anything done by me or want any help?
[16:23] <akgraner> I do - but I am walking out the door to take my daughter to work - I'll be back in 2 hours or so - I'll ping you then ok?
[16:25] <zkriesse> that's fine by me!
[18:25] <newboon2age_> Here's an article that favorably compares the productivity of Ubuntu w/ Win7 and wonders how Win8 will be able to stay ahead of ubuntu and OSX http://www.katonda.com/blog/29/2010/1328
[18:30] <newboon2age_> Called "What to expect from Windows 8", some lines   {after a paragraph of Ubuntu productivity features}"... Most of these core features of Linux are missing from Windows 7...I am trying to compare which OS makes more sense for home user and what should we expect from Microsoft in the next Windows.It seems the biggest challenge for Windows 8 will be to keep up with the tough competition it is getting from Ubuntu and Apple.
[18:30] <newboon2age_> Only time will tell what Windows 8 has to offer."
[18:31] <newboon2age_> i'm not sure if anyone is here to get this, but hopefully just posting it here is enough to 'submit' it to the news crew...
[18:36] <nhandler> newboon2age_: Yep, that should be enough. Articles can be submitted here or to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:42] <newboon2age_> nhandler: oh, thank you for that alternative way.
[18:42] <nhandler> newboon2age_: You are welcome. I think akgraner also created a google doc form that people can use, but I don't have a link handy (and I am not sure who sees things submitted through it)
[18:43] <newboon2age_> Here's another one:  Dell's 'Love Letter' to Linux: Now You See It, Now You Don't?  http://www.technewsworld.com/story/70299.html?wlc=1277919373
[18:54] <internalkernel> here's the link: https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AdKZelXU8Y2LZGNrcHRkYmhfODlkODNxNnRnZA&hl=en
[18:56] <internalkernel> I don't know if you'll be able to edit but you should definitely clear any edits with akgraner - at least you can see what is in progress...
[19:03] <akgraner> newboon2age_, thank you for the submission :-)
[19:14] <akgraner> newboon2age_, let me give you a wiki page to add your ideas too as well- all we need it the article title and URL :-)  This is great that you are finding stuff
[19:14] <akgraner> I have a great interview with Mark Shuttleworth for Issue 200
[19:14] <akgraner> so that will be awesome
[19:15] <akgraner> and hopefully Jane Silber, Matt Asay and Matt Zimmerman will work out as well...
[19:15] <akgraner> ideas wiki page - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Ideas
[19:17] <akgraner> I sent Mako some questions as well - so we'll have to see if he has time to answer them  - that would be awesome too
[19:19] <akgraner> ahhhhh - I don't want people editing the published newsletters directly...I need to add some ## to the published one that says please do NOT edit contact the news team....
[19:19] <akgraner> cody-somerville, ping
[19:20] <cody-somerville> akgraner, pong
[19:20] <akgraner> hey do you all announce like they do with Ubuntu Memberships - the new MOTU's
[19:20] <akgraner> or is it just in the development meeting minutes
[19:21] <akgraner> johnc4510, ping
[19:22] <akgraner> johnc4510, will you have time between now and Saturday for a 3-5 minute interview?
[19:23] <akgraner> Pendulum, those interviews I was going to need transcribe  86 that request - people are more comfortable with the interview via email
[19:23] <akgraner> Alpha 2 is tomorrow - and people are crazy busy
[20:03] <newboon2age_> akgraner: so is that the page i should use?
[20:05] <newboon2age_> if you get the chance, leave the answer, and i'll check it later... going out now...
[20:05] <akgraner> newboon2age_, honestly it's whatever you are most comfortable with
[20:05] <akgraner> google doc, wiki, mailing list, here...
[20:06] <newboon2age_> akgraner: well if I can just give the URL and title, it'd be best for me to do that here.
[20:06] <akgraner> awesome!
[20:06] <newboon2age_> so i gave both for those two article above...
[20:06] <akgraner> can you stick my name on it so I won't miss them
[20:07] <newboon2age_> akgraner: oh you mean for future submissions?  or for these?
[20:07] <akgraner> as I am not always watching all the channels unless it's addressed to me - sometimes I miss things
[20:07] <akgraner> future
[20:07] <akgraner> :-)
[20:08] <newboon2age_> akgraner: gotcha.  Thanks!
[20:09] <akgraner> newboon2age_, if you want to know more about the guidelines for each section check out  - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/SectionGuidelines
[20:09] <newboon2age_> akgraner: thanks i'll check that out.  ttyl...
[20:09] <akgraner> laters
[20:13] <Pendulum> akgraner: okay. no worries
[21:50] <zkriesse> akgraner: ping
[21:50] <akgraner> pong
[21:51] <akgraner> zkriesse, I need you to do some research and add some information to the 200th Issue
[21:51] <zkriesse> ok
[21:51] <zkriesse> akgraner: shoot me the links and i'll see what i can do
[21:52] <akgraner> I'll PM you some information  - b/c this is going to not make sense until you can look at stuff as I explain it


[00:08] <anonrebel> I need help I have wifi connected but it says there's no internet. I can't connect wired because I guess drivers are missing or something.
[00:09] <wxl> what version of lubuntu are you on?
[00:09] <wxl> also we'll need the output of `lspci -nnk` which you can pastebin
[00:09] <anonrebel> not without internet connection
[00:10] <wxl> sure, just move it around with a usb
[00:10] <anonrebel> and latest version
[00:10] <Unit193> !crosspost | anonrebel
[00:10] <wxl> oh fun :/
[00:12] <wxl> anonrebel: so which channel are you going to pick to get your support?
[00:13] <anonrebel> I guess here
[00:13] <wxl> ok, at minimum i need to know the PCI ID of the device(s) in question and the drivers available/being used. you can figure that out from lspci -nnk.
[00:15] <anonrebel> okay, one sec
[00:17] <anonrebel> wxl; this could take a while my external HDD is slow because it's on it's last life.
[00:17] <wxl> anonrebel: you're running the install off an external HDD?
[00:20] <anonrebel> wxl; no transfering the data you requested to my HDD
[00:20] <anonrebel> I don't have a USB flashdrive
[00:20] <wxl> anonrebel: i was suggesting that you could just read the input and type in the answer
[00:20] <wxl> anonrebel: the pci id is 9 characters
[00:20] <wxl> anonrebel: the driver names are usually lesss than that
[00:37] <anonrebel> wxl: kernel driver in use "i915"
[00:38] <anonrebel> oh here's the pci
[00:38] <anonrebel> ehci-pci
[00:48] <wxl> anonrebel: for the wifi or the ethernet? and the pci id is in the format [xxxx:xxxx] (the first of two) with the x's being alphanumerics
[00:48] <wxl> anonrebel: also i'm pretty sure you're wrong either way since i915 is for graphics.
[00:48] <anonrebel> wxl: ah I see ok hold on I'm looking
[00:49] <wxl> anonrebel: example output https://paste.ubuntu.com/24093354/
[00:49] <wxl> anonrebel: in this case the ethernet is [8086:10bd
[00:50] <wxl>  ]
[00:50] <wxl> anonrebel: and it's using the e100e driver
[00:51] <anonrebel> wxl: I don't think I have ethernet it doesn't exist on my system
[00:52] <wxl> anonrebel: you said above that you can't do wired (ethernet) because of drivers
[00:52] <wxl> anonrebel: you should have another network controller that' swifi
[00:57] <anonrebel> wxl: 8086:2e30
[00:58] <wxl> anonrebel: a dram controller? https://pci-ids.ucw.cz/read/PC/8086/2e30
[00:59] <anonrebel> wxl: yeah that's what it says
[00:59] <wxl> probably for a dram controller, yeah.
[01:00] <wxl> might want to go back to just getting the output on the drive :/
[01:01] <anonrebel> it just sucks I don't have eth0 as an option it would make things easier
[01:01] <wxl> the good news is we can probably fix it
[01:02] <anonrebel> k
[01:02] <wxl> just need to know what to fix
[01:06] <anonrebel> I'm lost I wish I could just show you the results but my external HDD is acting up
[01:07] <wxl> once we have the info we'll be able to help you out
[01:07] <wxl> alternately, there *MIGHT* be a loco in your area where you could get some one on one support
[01:07] <wxl> !loco
[01:10] <anonrebel> wxl: I got it to mount finally
[01:11] <anonrebel> http://dpaste.com/13GWBGX
[01:11] <wxl> oh
[01:11] <wxl> hahahah
[01:11] <wxl> i see the problem
[01:11] <wxl> according to this you don't have any networking devices :)
[01:11] <anonrebel> ah. hold on brb
[01:13] <wxl> linux can't fix hardware problems XD
[01:24] <anonrebel> wxl: yeah I'm aware.
[01:24] <anonrebel> wxl: but I use to have wifi the wlan0 worked fine before the updates
[01:27] <wxl> anonrebel: it's highly doubtful that's because of the kernerl (or anything else for that matter)
[01:28] <genii> See if the wifi adapter is on lsusb instead.
[01:28] <wxl> yeah good question. is it a usb wifi adapter, anonrebel ?
[01:28] <genii> Some broadcom are mini pcie to usb bus
[01:29] <genii> So it could be internal but still usb
[01:29] <wxl> ahh yuck
[15:44] <anonrebel> wxl: yes it's a wifi adaptor it's called Ralink Technology RT2870/RT3070
[16:09] <anonrebel> it says firmware detected I'll send over results for certain commands I tried for the adaptor
[16:26] <anonrebel> ...... I just saved it to my EHDD but it's not there
[17:36] <wxl> anonrebel: in that case, get the pci id from the line of lsusb that's related to it
[17:36] <wxl> anonrebel: it SHOULD be 148f:3070. please confirm
[19:16] <p0llock> hello, can anyone help me with a bad sd card? there seems to be a finding/mounting issue of the device
[21:28] <anonrebel> wxl: yes that's correct
[21:29] <anonrebel> sorry for the slow response
[21:33] <wxl> anonrebel: what interfaces does ifconfig show? wlan0?
[21:36] <wxl> anonrebel: there are some others suggesting getting other drivers, but they all require a network to grab 148f:3070
[21:36] <wxl> oops
[21:36] <wxl> https://askubuntu.com/questions/641724/how-to-install-rt2870-rt3070-wireless-driver
[21:36] <anonrebel> command not found
[21:37] <anonrebel> for "ifconfig"
[21:37] <wxl> ifconfig gives command not found? you have a messed up install then!
[21:37] <Unit193> wxl: No, use ip addr
[21:37] <anonrebel> yeah I thought that was odd
[21:37] <wxl> Unit193: did they get rid of ifconfig off of yakkety???
[21:39] <Unit193> wxl: There was discussion about dropping net-tools, but for yak still in 'minimal.
[21:40] <wxl> Unit193: my impression was that net-tools is likely to be around for some time, but yes i did see that discussion
[21:40] <wxl> you can also look at this anonrebel https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/244410


[15:05] <RikMills> https://twitter.com/kubuntu/status/1354443269871185923
[16:42] <Eickmeyer[m]> RikMills: Thanks for the update.  I liked working with him. I knew about the cancer, but didn't know how that battle was going.
[16:52] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Any idea if jack2 1.9.17 fixes that bug that we had with Carla wrt the metadata? Seems to have a number of fixes in that direction.
[16:53] <Eickmeyer[m]> And... /me takes a moment to facepalm about rgh blaming studio-controls
[16:54] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: I am wondering if after that lib is rebuilt will python3-jack have to be as well?
[16:54] <OvenWerks> (not sure if that is the actual package name
[16:55] <Eickmeyer[m]> I don't think so? But, I don't think that SRU was acted upon.
[16:56] <OvenWerks> Hmm can we at least get something in backports?
[16:56] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Which library was it?
[16:56]  * Eickmeyer[m] is having trouble finding the bug
[16:56] <Eickmeyer[m]> cffi, right?
[16:57] <OvenWerks> https://github.com/ovenwerks/studio-controls/issues/43
 you mean the cffi no change rebuild request?
[16:59] <Eickmeyer[m]> Nvm, found the bug.
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-cffi/+bug/1912535 not this one right?
[16:59] <Eickmeyer[m]> teward: Yes, that's the one. Unfortunately, stefanor doesn't seem to agree.
[17:00] <Eickmeyer[m]> So, if that doesn't need to be rebuilt, then what does?
 Eickmeyer: have we ruled out the case of someone rolling a newer CFFI themselves (or an older one because they haven't done a `sudo apt dist-upgrade` lately)?
[17:00] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: ? ^
[17:01] <OvenWerks> there seems to have been more than one person who has the trouble
 one thing i do note is, they're running -installer on top of a regular Ubuntu
 is this possibly causing conflicts?
 it SHOULDN'T i wouldn't think, but...
[17:03] <Eickmeyer[m]> teward: No, because it doesn't deal with that library except as a dependency. It's simply a metapackage installer, that's all.
[17:04] <Eickmeyer[m]> Studio IS Ubuntu.
[17:06] <Eickmeyer[m]> I was looking at KXStudio in case it carried that library, and it doesn't, so we can rule that out.
[17:10]  * OvenWerks has rebooted to 20.10 and is now updating 200 plus packages
[17:24] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks, @teward001: Upon investigating further, it seems as though someone uploaded a newer version of cffi AFTER libffi and python3-cffi were already built. This is what is causing the regression.
[17:27] <Eickmeyer[m]> Honestly, I'm not sure how britney didn't catch this.
[17:58] <Eickmeyer[m]> sirffsalot frustrates me to no end. They want their hand held through everything.
[18:04] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: The reason I was asking about Jackd2 1.9.17 is that I'm wondering if it would be safe to backport it. We previously had 16 patched.
[18:04] <Eickmeyer[m]> er... 14.
[18:09] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: one thing at a time  :)
[18:09]  * OvenWerks reboots 20.10
[18:09] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ok. :)
[18:12] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: BTW, I have not yet been able to get speelling checking working in scribus
[18:13] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yikes. Bug report?
[18:31] <OvenWerks> because someone else has gotten it to work... I am guessing I have not done something correctly.
[19:06] <OvenWerks> autojack is running incredibly slow on 20.10
[19:18] <OvenWerks> Ohh. ERROR: a2j_alsa_connect_from: can't subscribe to 20:0 - Device or resource busy
[19:18] <OvenWerks> port skipped: AudioFire12 [20] (capture): AudioFire12 MIDI 1
[19:21] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: it appears we are missing ffado-tools... or better yet multimedia-firewire
[19:50] <Eickmeyer[m]> Uhoh...
[19:51] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: ok the alsa fireworks module in 20.10 does not work.
[19:52] <OvenWerks> The ffado fireworks module does work
[19:52]  * OvenWerks audiofire12 device cqan run at 16/3  :)
[19:52] <Eickmeyer[m]> How did we miss this?
[19:54] <OvenWerks> Maybe it was installed as part of something else? probably I installed it on my system and because we call one of the tools from controls externally, it fails without making controls not work
[19:54] <OvenWerks> and most people won't see it anyway if they don't have a FW box
[19:54] <Eickmeyer[m]> I'm showing the packages exist. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libffado
[19:55] <Eickmeyer[m]> Are they just not in by default? (I'm on 20.04 for work purposes right now)
[19:56] <OvenWerks> I am guessing they are not installed as a part of controls.
[19:56] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: That doesn't seem right. They're in the audio-core meta and the seed.
[19:57] <OvenWerks> BTW, I am not having the other problem (cffi)
[19:58] <Eickmeyer[m]> Interesting.
[19:58] <OvenWerks> I should probaly start off with a fresh install of 20.10, this is an updated beta (or maybe before)
[21:10] <wonko> make sure 21.04 is rock solid guys. That's what I'll be installing after I move. :-P
[23:52] <Eickmeyer[m]> wonko: There's only so much of that we have control over from here. :)
[23:53] <wonko> Then you aren't trying hard enough! :-P