[20:06] <hsr> Professor_G: Thats LTS Long term support  .. Sorry
[20:06] <hsr> Professor_G: :et me see how can i help you..
[20:06] <HoopyFrood> I installed Lucid and Grub to an external hard drive, but whenever I boot to the hard drive, the grub rescue screen appears. I have tried installing grub onto the drive from ubuntu, another copy of which I have on my internal drive, and manually replacing the grub folder as root, both without success
[20:06] <pure_hate> cesc, the best thing to do is create to lsmod text files and then diff them to see what the difference is.
[20:06] <bullhorn> i forgot even the basics of linux lol
[20:06] <Professor_G> hsr,  what do i do again?
[20:06] <bullhorn> i dont remember how to use apt-get and search and whatnot
[20:06] <icedwater> hsr: If you help him, I will be pretty grateful too... I'm probably in the same situation.
[20:06] <coz_> Professor_G,  open a terminal
[20:07] <icedwater> bullhorn: What did you need?
[20:07] <coz_> Professor_G,    type    alsamixer
[20:07] <ZykoticK9> cesc, have you plugged the xubuntu machine into the ethernet network and done all updates?
[20:07] <pure_hate> there should be much difference in the wireless between xubuntu and ubuntu except the GUI wireless manager
[20:07] <coz_> Professor_G,  then check that the sliders are up in volume and none are muted
[20:07] <bullhorn> icedwater, i need to get rid of an old beta version of chrome and find the latest stable one
[20:07] <Aemaeth> oh sweet i figured it out, you have to change the security settings before you enter anything for name
[20:07] <icedwater> bullhorn: Did you set the Google repository?
[20:07] <cesc> yes Zykotick9 is the first think I have done.. there was 172 updates to catch up. :)
[20:07] <Professor_G> Usage: /sbin/alsa {unload|reload|force-unload|force-reload|suspend|resume}
[20:07] <hsr> Professor_G: Let me see how i can help, i am pretty sure about KDE settings using Mixer but i'll have to search a bit for GNOME... lemme see
[20:08] <Professor_G> hsr,  i'm using game
[20:08] <HoopyFrood> bullhorn, use synaptic to uninstall chrome-beat (or chromium-bet, whichever,) and then find the chrome package
[20:08] <Professor_G> hsr,  gnome sorry
[20:08] <bullhorn> i got this one icedwater : http://dl.google.com/linux/deb/
[20:08] <icedwater> bullhorn: sudo apt-get update I guess? Then sudo apt-get upgrade?
[20:08] <ZykoticK9> cesc, ok - just trying to account for difference in hardware support (ubuntu & xubuntu "should" support the same hardware)
[20:08] <magicianlord> Good day.
[20:08] <jemadux> xrisimopoei kaneis apo edw irssi ?
[20:09] <hsr> coz-: alsamixer got no settings for using to headphone when they are plugged, tht may not help
[20:09] <hsr> coz-: alsamixer got no settings for switching to headphone when they are plugged, tht may not help
[20:09] <cesc> pure_hate I'm going to pastebin the lsmod text file for my ubuntu machine where my alfa network works with no problems and then you can compare with the pastebin I wrote earlier here.
[20:09] <ilul> ada yang bisa berbahasa indonesia?
[20:10] <fcuk112> when i enable sharing on a folder thru nautilus, where are the details stored...  does it store in smb.conf?
[20:10] <d09eat90d> ilu1
[20:10] <HoopyFrood> I installed Lucid and Grub to an external hard drive, but whenever I boot to the hard drive, the grub rescue screen appears. I have tried installing grub onto the drive from ubuntu, another copy of which I have on my internal drive, and manually replacing the grub folder as root, both without success
[20:10] <icedwater> ilul: aku tak bisa, #ubuntu-id ada
[20:10] <d09eat90d> bahasa indonesia
[20:10] <kyo> my external speakers do not work
[20:11] <ubuntu-usr> where i get package melchior for ubuntu?
[20:11] <d09eat90d> #ubuntu-id
[20:11] <ubuntu-usr> i can't google it
[20:11] <ilul> siapa yang bisa berbahasa INDONESIA?
[20:11] <Shakey_Jake> @kyo can you get sound from headphones?
[20:11] <kyo> just headphones
[20:11] <d09eat90d> icedwater, only few people on #ubuntu-id
[20:12] <kyo> yes
[20:12] <ilul> ada yang dari Indonesia?
[20:12] <Shakey_Jake> and youre plugging the speakers into the headphone socket?
[20:12] <icedwater> d09eat90d: Nothing I can do, I'm guessing based on my limited Malay knowledge anyway
[20:12] <xangua> !english > ilul
[20:12] <kyo> integrated speakers
[20:12] <hsr> How to monitor and download network media? Say for example: Radio
[20:12] <hsr> How to monitor and download network media? Say for example: Radio
[20:12] <Shakey_Jake> oh, i get you
[20:12] <Shakey_Jake> kyo: which version of ubuntu are you running?
[20:13] <kyo> ubuntu 9.04
[20:13] <headkase314> hsr, for rhythmbox in synaptic search for "rhythmbox radio browser"
[20:13] <headkase314> hsr, and don't forget to enable it in the plug-in settings of rhythmbox - it does shoutcast, icecast, etc.
[20:13] <Shakey_Jake> have you tried system>preferences>sound>output ?
[20:14] <ilul> d09eat90d bang?
[20:14] <cesc> pure_hate here http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/mZ7fx9V3 the lsmod file in my ubuntu machine where Alfa Network wireless adapter worked straight away. And here http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/fRHMprf1  lsmod file for my xubuntu machine where I'm having problems with.
[20:14] <hsr> headkase314: Does it allow to download as well?

[20:14] <headkase314> hsr, it allows you to record streams as they play
[20:14] <magicianlord> what is responsible for the native resolution in console, without nouveau being installed?
[20:15] <magicianlord> is it hte kms within the kernel
[20:15] <magicianlord> or what
[20:15] <kyo> Jake: yes I did, but nothing happen
[20:16] <hsr> headkase314: Well i listen to RadioParadise and SKY.fm using their links in m3u format... will it work?
[20:16] <Kjeldor> i cant find the laucher for the libimobiledevice after installing it from the PPA
[20:16] <kyo> should I change something in "/etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base"
[20:16] <kyo> ?
[20:16] <headkase314> hsr, rhythmbox radio browser is self-contained and only does radio - I do not believe but am not sure that you can point it at sky.fm
[20:16] <Shakey_Jake> there's nothing in either the 'choose a device' box or the connector menu that look like they could be your speakers?
[20:16] <magicianlord> does anyone know if MOC plays streaming audio? radio, for example
[20:17] <Shakey_Jake> well, that's the ext option if there isn't a friendly gui of doing things
[20:17] <hsr> headkase314: Is there a plugin like that for Amarok?
[20:17] <headkase314> hsr, that specific plug-in is for rhythmbox I don't doubt that there is something similar for Amarok I just don't know what it would be.
[20:18] <pure_hate> cesc, thats a mess but try this: rmmod r8187l && modprobe ar9170usb && ifconfig wlan0 up
[20:18] <HoopyFrood> I installed Lucid and Grub to an external hard drive, but whenever I boot to the hard drive, the grub rescue screen appears. I have tried installing grub onto the drive from ubuntu, another copy of which I have on my internal drive, and manually replacing the grub folder as root, both without success
[20:18] <Kjeldor> i cant find the laucher for the libimobiledevice after installing it from the PPA
[20:19] <fcuk112> i've enabled a share through nautilus with r/w perms, but when i try to copy something from another ubuntu machine i get permission denied - any ideas?
[20:19] <hsr> headkase314: Thanks a lot, i will be able to work it out myself then. If not atleast by seeing the code of that plugin and make one for amarok.. Thanks
[20:19] <headkase314> hsr, you're welcome - good hunting.
[20:19] <wickitsarah> greetings to all
[20:19] <kyo> nothing, still just headphones
[20:20] <magicianlord> wickitsarah: GOOD DAY
[20:20] <charlesno> how does IRC work
[20:20] <Arcidias> it is magick
[20:20] <ikonia> charlesno: just ask questions, and people will answer
[20:20] <wickitsarah> im new so please do not get to mad at me ok
[20:20] <Shakey_Jake> kyo: whart's the output from 'cat /proc/asound/cards' ??
[20:20] <headkase314> !ask | wickitsarah
[20:21] <Kjeldor> i cant find the laucher for the libimobiledevice after installing it from the PPA
[20:21] <HoopyFrood> I installed Lucid and Grub to an external hard drive, but whenever I boot to the hard drive, the grub rescue screen appears. I have tried installing grub onto the drive from ubuntu, another copy of which I have on my internal drive, and manually replacing the grub folder as root, both without success
[20:21] <wickitsarah> im still learning how to use this im srry ok
[20:21] <ARGGG> i just installed 9.10 and my secondary monitor does not show up in display how would i be able to get it working im using ati radeon x1300
[20:21] <hsr> headkase314: Ryhthombox allows to point to any station using the url option, it allows to add url of station, thats sufficient. Using mp3/m3u/aac format anyone can find the url.. external radios can work
[20:21] <ikonia> HoopyFrood: what rescue screen
[20:22] <ikonia> HoopyFrood: exactly what do you get on screen
[20:22] <anodesni> ARGGG, opensource or proprietary driver?
[20:22] <charlesno> is ArchLinux as good as Ubuntu?
[20:22] <ARGGG> opensource
[20:22] <kyo> Jake: I have not idea :O
[20:22] <ikonia> charlesno: that's personal opinion, try them both
[20:22] <headkase314> Kjeldor, I believe that is for an ipod or touch or iphone?  If so then libimobiledevice is just so you can plug it into a usb port.  From there you can use rhythmbox to manage the device or something like gtkpod.
[20:22] <Arcidias> HoopyFrood: why don't you add a line to your harddrive instance of GRUB so you can choose to boot from the external?
[20:22] <HoopyFrood> ikonia, instead of the bootloader, it says GRUB rescue >
[20:22] <HoopyFrood> as a command line
[20:22] <headkase314> hsr, well good then? ;)
[20:22] <wickitsarah> im like ubuntu and puppy so far
[20:22] <anodesni> ARGGG, http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature
[20:23] <ikonia> HoopyFrood: ok, so your grub is looking at the wrong partitions for it's menu info
[20:23] <ARGGG> thank you
[20:23] <Kjeldor> oh i see
[20:23] <charlesno> what linux distro is recommended if i want to learn as much as possible about how it works
[20:23] <HoopyFrood> ikonia, why, though?
[20:23] <icedwater> charlesno: Are you new to Linux?
[20:23] <Arcidias> charlesno: LFS
[20:23] <anodesni> ARGGG, according to the page xrandr should work with your card
[20:23] <Arcidias> charlesno: or Slackware
[20:23] <ikonia> HoopyFrood: probably becuase you're using a USB drive and it didn't work out the install info properly
[20:23] <headkase314> Kjeldor, I believe you can search for "gtkpod" in synaptic and that can be used to manage the device - people seem to think that one is the most reliable anyway.
[20:24] <HoopyFrood> ikonia, I reinsatlled it via the terminal on ubuntu on my internal drive
[20:24] <Arcidias> charlesno: ArchLinux is also an option
[20:24] <wickitsarah> try one of those tick books fr begainers
[20:24] <HoopyFrood> ikonia, it being grub
[20:24] <charlesno> I'm kind of new, I've been using Ubuntu for a few months but i haven't forced myself to really learn the terminal or anything
[20:24] <icedwater> charlesno: I would say Ubuntu is just fine... learn step by step instead of jumping in at the deep end.
[20:24] <ikonia> charlesno: this channel supports the ubuntu operating system - not general discussion
[20:24] <ikonia> HoopyFrood: then you've installed it to look at the wrong places
[20:24] <anodesni> ARGGG, what output does "xrandr -q" give?
[20:24] <Kjeldor> synaptic is where?
[20:24] <charlesno> I apologize ikonia
[20:24] <ikonia> charlesno: no need to apologize
[20:24] <icedwater> charlesno: Bring it to #ubuntu-offtopic ?
[20:24] <pure_hate> charlesno, Gentoo and then Linux from Scratch if you *really* want to learn
[20:24] <wickitsarah> scotty beam us up lol
[20:24] <ARGGG> anodesni not sure what that means
[20:25] <hibliss> I need some help with Samba on Ubuntu server 10.04
[20:25] <headkase314> Kjeldor, System > Administration > Synaptic Package Manager
[20:25] <HoopyFrood> ikonia, so the automatic installation went wrong... :( I can maually edit grub.cfg, then, I guess
[20:25] <ikonia> HoopyFrood: that won't do anything
[20:25] <hibliss> just updated and got a new kernel
[20:25] <hibliss> and Samba started acting up
[20:25] <HoopyFrood> ikonia, so how should I reconfigure it?
[20:25] <headkase314> Kjeldor, then there is a search box at the top you can type gtkpod in and in the results window right-click on gtkpod and choose install
[20:25] <ikonia> !grub2 > HoopyFrood
[20:25] <anodesni> ARGGG, you should open a terminal and type in "xrandr -q" and then look which devices it discovers
[20:26] <charlesno> thanks guys, goin to off topic
[20:26] <ARGGG> ok
[20:26] <hibliss> I can still access the shares from a windows machine
[20:26] <hibliss> by mapping directly
[20:26] <Kjeldor> thanks.. doing it now
[20:26] <HoopyFrood> ikonia, already checked that link
[20:26] <headkase314> Kjeldor, ok
[20:26] <anodesni> ARGGG, you should see something like VGA connected, LVDS connected
[20:26] <ikonia> HoopyFrood: ok, so then you understand how to point grub at the right parrtitions
[20:26] <d09eat90d> can someone guide me to configure tor+vidalia for lucid lynx??
[20:26] <anodesni> ARGGG, then you know if ubuntu has detected your secondary screen
[20:27] <HoopyFrood> ikonia, right, and it hasnt worked
[20:27] <DasEi> d09eat90d: sure
[20:27] <ARGGG> anodesni yes i see its not seeing my tv
[20:27] <ikonia> HoopyFrood: then you've not configured it right, or the ubuntu partition is corrupt/damaged
[20:27] <headkase314> !info gtkpod
[20:27] <HoopyFrood> ikonia, damn... well, I'll give it another shot
[20:28] <HoopyFrood> ikonia, before i reinstall
[20:28] <hibliss> anyone have a sec to help me out with Samba
[20:28] <DasEi> d09eat90d: tor already installed ?
[20:28] <Kjeldor> headkase314: im done, whats next?
[20:28] <ARGGG> DVI-0 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) anodesni
[20:28] <aruntomar> hi guys. my top output shows 2 contradictory values.... so i got confused and need clarification. my cpu usage on the top 3rd line shows that it's using hardly 3% but in the process list it shows that my virtualbox is using 112% cpu usage, so which one is correct
[20:29] <headkase314> Kjeldor, now look in your Applications Menu and I believe you will see gtkpod under Sound & Video
[20:29] <anodesni> ARGGG, are you sure they are turned on?
[20:29] <jonathan> hi
[20:29] <ARGGG> if i have the tv connected when i start up it will make my monitor go black and the tv will flicker in black and white
[20:29] <HoopyFrood> headkase314, I didn't think gtkpod worked with iphones...
[20:29] <DasEi> d09eat90d: ??
[20:30] <hsr> Professor_G: Sorry, i coudn't find the a proper solution
[20:30] <hsr> Professor_G: Sorry, i coudn't find a proper solution
[20:30] <headkase314> HoopyFrood, are you sure?
[20:30] <jonathan> exit
[20:30] <anodesni> ARGGG, you could try the proprietary drivers and configure the tv-out using "sudo amdcccle" in the terminal
[20:30] <headkase314> HoopyFrood, I think in the preferences of gtkpod you can choose a model of device to connect to?
[20:30] <HoopyFrood> headkase314, thats what I thought i saw at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PortableDevices/iPod
[20:30] <hsr> headkase314: Hey
[20:31] <Kjeldor> headkase314: I dont see my iphone inside
[20:31] <anodesni> ARGGG, this is similar to the amd catalyst suite in windows
[20:31] <hsr> headkase314: Is there any way to monitor network media?
[20:31] <HoopyFrood> headkase314, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PortableDevices/iPhone reccomends libmobiledevice
[20:31] <ARGGG> how do i install the proprietary drivers?
[20:31] <ikonia> ARGGG: open the system -> administration -> hardware drivers tool
[20:32] <ARGGG> ok
[20:32] <headkase314> Kjeldor, see HoopyFrood link above and to confirm what exactly is the device?  And in gtkpod under Edit > Preferences can you choose the model of your device.  I'm not in front of gtkpod right now so preferences may be in another location.
[20:32] <HoopyFrood> headkase314, I tried to help Kjeldor with this before
[20:32] <anodesni> ARGGG, it's in system->administration -> proprietary driver install (or something like that)
[20:32] <HoopyFrood> He couldnt find the launcher
[20:32] <headkase314> HoopyFrood, he has libmobiledevice installed but now needs a management front-end for the device
[20:32] <magicianlord> IS it better to remove the battery from a laptop at 50% charge for 6 months plus storage, or leave it connected
[20:32] <cesc> headkase314 how do I remove the driver I installed before.. the realteak rtl8187l. I think it must be the rtl8187 without the final l
[20:33] <HoopyFrood> headkase314, I dont know of any...
[20:33] <headkase314> !infor rmmod
[20:33] <headkase314> !info rmmod
[20:33] <headkase314> cesc, I'm not sure but I think it's rmmod <devicename>
[20:33] <DasEi> magicianlord: not ubuntu related, load it to 100% and recharge latest half a year
[20:33] <istvan> I have a powermac g4 running 10.04 that I just set up. It connects to the network with wireless just fine, but I can't get ethernet to work. I have other ubuntu/windows machines that are online via ethernet just fine. ideas?
[20:34] <ARGGG> not able to select anything in hardware drivers
[20:34] <anodesni> ARGGG, I think your card is too old and is not supported anymore by amd/ati
[20:35] <ARGGG> indeed that was what i was haveing troubles with
[20:35] <Kjeldor> headkase314: i couldnt find inside the preference where i could select what device i have
[20:35] <syslq> headkase314: did that guy solved sound problems later?
[20:35] <hsr> headkase314: ther?
[20:35] <headkase314> Kjeldor, what exactly is the device model?
[20:36] <anodesni> ARGGG, it's strange though since the open source drivers should support tv-out for your card
[20:36] <Kjeldor> iphone 3gs
[20:36] <ikonia> !iphone > Kjeldor
[20:36] <hsr> headkase314: Do you know how to monitor network media?
[20:36] <kyo> thank you very much! I dotn remember your nick Jake, but its working
[20:36] <headkase314> syslq, the updated ALSA gave him an additional "analog" x-fi device but it also did not work.  In the end last night he was really considering just buying a $10 generic audio card to replace the x-fi
[20:36] <anodesni> ARGGG, maybe this works http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=215763
[20:36] <Shakey_Jake> kyo: cool beans
[20:36] <urbmen> Hi everyone
[20:37] <Shakey_Jake> kyo: you're welcome
[20:37] <headkase314> hsr, no sorry I do not
[20:37] <ARGGG> not sure what is going on with it but if i have the tv connected at startup it will make my monitor go black and the tv does some strange things
[20:37] <Rogue1> hey urbmen
[20:37] <kyo> bye bye Shaker_Jake
[20:37] <syslq> headkase314: lol :)
[20:37] <hsr> headkase314: Thanks a lot for your help till now :-)
[20:37] <urbmen> whats everyone up to
[20:37] <headkase314> hsr, you're welcome - everyone here helps ;)
[20:37] <hsr> Professor_G: Are you here?
[20:37] <hsr> Professor_G: Are you here?
[20:37] <ActionParsnip> urbmen: chillin
[20:38] <urbmen> nicely nicely
[20:38] <ikonia> jeromel: he's long gone
[20:38] <hsr> Who was asking about headphone issues here??
[20:38] <anodesni> ARGGG, it seems more people are having this problem
[20:39] <Kjeldor> can I just run itunes onto something? while runing UBUNTU?
[20:39] <hsr> Who was asking about headphone issues here??
[20:39] <hsr> Who was asking about headphone issues here??
[20:39] <ikonia> Kjeldor: no
[20:39] <Kjeldor> not even on WINE?
[20:40] <urbmen> just wondering if anyone can help then, I've just installed ubuntu 8.4, and I am struggling to get the flash player to work
[20:40] <TheWhitePelican> oops
[20:40] <TheWhitePelican> sorry
[20:40] <headkase314> Kjeldor, iTunes on WINE -> http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=1347
[20:40] <xangua> urbmen: get it from adobe's web or update lo lucid ;)
[20:40] <headkase314> Kjeldor, from the ratings it doesn't work the best but maybe it can work enough
[20:41] <ImaLamer> try #winehq
[20:41] <ActionParsnip> urbmen: what browser?
[20:41] <AndrewMC> urbmen: Why such an old version of ubuntu
[20:41] <ActionParsnip> xangua: no need
[20:41] <ActionParsnip> AndrewMC: hardy is still supported
[20:41] <urbmen> firefox 3.6.8
[20:41] <xangua> ActionParsnip: update to lucid¿ just saying ;) it's awesome
[20:41] <AndrewMC> ActionParsnip: Oh ok
[20:42] <ActionParsnip> hardy is supported until April 2011
[20:42] <urbmen> its just the disk i had to hand
[20:42] <ActionParsnip> so its not old by any means, it gets updates just like the others
[20:42] <AndrewMC> ActionParsnip: Still its an old version
[20:43] <urbmen> it works and it stable
[20:43] <IdleOne> upgrading to lucid won't fix the issue
[20:43] <Arcidias> AndrewMC: you're disputing another man's choice of distro?
[20:43] <ActionParsnip> AndrewMC: true but its stillup to date with updates
[20:43] <IdleOne> !flash | urbmen
[20:43] <AndrewMC> ActionParsnip: Thats a good point
[20:43] <d09eat90d> googleearth bugs on lucid
[20:43] <ActionParsnip> urbmen: if you run: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree     does it install?
[20:43] <d09eat90d> it's installed but it won't run
[20:43] <ActionParsnip> !info flashplugin-nonfree hardy
[20:45] <ActionParsnip> urbmen: if you install ubuntu-restricted-extras    it will install flash and java too for you
[20:45] <Kjeldor> so how do i open itunesetup.exe with wine? or something?
[20:45] <luw> hi question:  why on ubuntu's website it says "not recommended for daily desktop use" for the 10.04 64bit version?
[20:45] <urbmen> cheers
[20:45] <Arcidias> Kjeldor: cd to the directory of itunesetup.exe and execute wine itunesetup.exe
[20:45] <rww> luw: because Ubuntu's website developers don't know what they're talking about and are bad at fixing bugs
[20:45] <Kjeldor> how?
[20:46] <Arcidias> Kjeldor: open Terminal
[20:46] <elkclone> luw: lmao
[20:46] <magicianlord> is lpia available for 10.04?
[20:46] <ActionParsnip> Kjeldor: is it itunes 7 or 8?
[20:46] <Kjeldor> newest
[20:46] <rww> magicianlord: no
[20:46] <ActionParsnip> magicianlord: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Canonical-Drops-Support-for-LPIA-on-Ubuntu-10-04-128175.shtml
[20:46] <Kjeldor> newest itunes
[20:46] <luw> rww: interesting...it's kinda ridiculous that they would put that
[20:46] <ActionParsnip> Kjeldor: i dont use apples garbage, you need to be the smart one here dude
[20:47] <Kjeldor> so what do i do?
[20:47] <ActionParsnip> Kjeldor: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/03/sync-iphone-and-ipod-touch-in-ubuntu.html
[20:47] <IdleOne> Kjeldor: where did you save the file to?
[20:47] <ActionParsnip> Kjeldor: or get a better player (easier)
[20:47] <Kjeldor> in DOWNLOADS
[20:47] <thune3> luw: this statement is a screen, if you believe it you are likely too new to linux to deal with additional(minor) issues that sometimes come with 64-bit installation.
[20:48] <IdleOne> Kjeldor: ok in terminal type cd ~/Downloads
[20:48] <ActionParsnip> Kjeldor: using that guide will let you use rhythmnbox
[20:48] <Kjeldor> i dont want rythymnbox
[20:48] <Kjeldor> IdleOne: then?
[20:48] <luw> thune3: statement screen?  what other minor issues should one be worried about running the 64bit kernel?
[20:49] <IdleOne> Kjeldor: now type: wine itunesetup.exe
[20:49] <IdleOne> Kjeldor: assuming you already installed wine
[20:49] <Kjeldor> kjeldor@kjeldor-laptop:~$ cd ~/downloads
[20:49] <Kjeldor> bash: cd: /home/kjeldor/downloads: No such file or directory
[20:49] <ActionParsnip> luw: some hardware manufacturers only make 32bit drivers. Some apps from 3rd party sources dont have 64bit support
[20:49] <ActionParsnip> Kjeldor: its a capital D
[20:49] <rww> Kjeldor: capital D in Downloads
[20:50] <Arcidias> Kjeldor: Downloads with capital D
[20:50] <IdleOne> Kjeldor: I said cd ~/Downloads
[20:50] <Kjeldor> sorry
[20:50] <IdleOne> not downloads
[20:50] <IdleOne> linux is case sensitive :)
[20:50] <ActionParsnip> !case
[20:50] <Kjeldor> its my first day =)
[20:50] <IdleOne> no problem
[20:50] <istvan> I have a powermac g4 running 10.04 that I just set up. It connects to the network with wireless just fine, but I can't get ethernet to work. I have other ubuntu/windows machines that are online via ethernet just fine. ideas?
[20:50] <ActionParsnip> Kjeldor: i'll put money on itunes failing badly
[20:51] <IdleOne> yup
[20:51] <rubbahdawg> oi, someone who can help me with meim trying to play a bit around with renoise on my friend's linux computer but he's got zero idea of how to use the os himself
[20:51] <ActionParsnip> istvan: does the interface get an IP address?
[20:51] <blackMatrix1> hi all. when you boot ubuntu from flash drive and install apache2, mysql etc and turn off the power and bring it back up, does it loose all the installations ?
[20:51] <luw> ActionParsnip: oh ok, now that does make sense.  i was stuck on what was unstable about ubuntu and was considering them their own thing.
[20:51] <urbmen> hello again I have installed the flashplugin-nonfree, I have closed and opened mozilla and I still can not view youtube or tv catch up
[20:52] <istvan> ActionParsnip, under the conenctons menu tool it just says 'disconnected'
[20:52] <Arcidias> blackMatrix1: depends, if it is a live usb - yes, but if it has a persistence option - then yes
[20:52] <xangua> !usb
[20:52] <xangua> if is not a persistent install, yes urbmen
[20:52] <luw> but i guess youre right, you cant really do that
[20:52] <IdleOne> Kjeldor: when you get a bunch of errors while wine is trying to install itunes you will understand why ActionParsnip suggested Rhythmbox
[20:52] <ActionParsnip> istvan: screw that, run: ifconfig   do you see an address for your adapter
[20:52] <Arcidias> blackMatrix1: the former was a "no"
[20:52] <urbmen> just for the record I have basic level experience with ubuntu
[20:53] <blackMatrix1> Arcidias: where do you change the settings for persistence
[20:53] <Arcidias> well you must have a casper-rw loop file
[20:53] <izatt82> hello to the IRC world
[20:53] <rubbahdawg> i need help installing the "real time threads" for sound buffering or something like that, but i dont get how to write in the config as im asked to do in the readme
[20:53] <Kjeldor> but I also want to sync my apps
[20:53] <Kjeldor> =(
[20:53] <Arcidias> hi izatt82
[20:53] <nUboon2Age> Kjeldor: just fyi, last i checked the newest itunes wine was succesfull with was 7.3 i think.
[20:53] <batbrat> I am trying to install freeglut3 and libqt4-dev on my Dell Inspiron 15R without also installing the mesa packages. My laptop has an ATI Radeon HD5470 card and I already have fglrx-dev. What is a good workaround?
[20:53] <ActionParsnip> urbmen: ok can you give the output of:   lsb_release -a; dpkg -l | grep flash; dpkg -l | grep gnash; ; dpkg -l | grep swf
[20:53] <izatt82> hello
[20:54] <Arcidias> blackMatrix1: well, when you make the live usb you must tell it to have persistence
[20:54] <Arcidias> blackMatrix1: how did you do it?from windows or linux host?"
 What did you expect
[20:54] <izatt82> i gave up on installing itunes in wine and just downloaded virtualbox PERL because it has USB support
[20:54] <Arcidias> I second what ActionParsnip said
[20:54] <istvan> ActionParsnip, only an inet6... huh... thats weird. why isn't that working then?
[20:54] <blackMatrix1> Arcidias: you mean when I create the bootable usb I have to set persistence ? I created the CD from Windows host.
[20:55] <rubbahdawg> please someone...
[20:55] <ActionParsnip> istvan: does the interface have flashing lights around the network cable
[20:55] <Ober7> Kjeldor why don't you try and run MS windows in a virtual machine? i have the apple cure too and thats what i do
[20:55] <istvan> ActionParsnip, nope
[20:55] <nUboon2Age> Kjeldor: which might be useful for you still, but just so you know wine isn't able to run newer versions of itunes.  you can always check the wine appdb at http://appdb.winehq.com to see if a particular windows program is working on wine yet.
[20:55] <Arcidias> blackMatrix1: oic, then see pendrivelinux.org
[20:55]  * batbrat hopes to solve the problem
[20:55] <magicianlord> Is LPIA available for 10.04
[20:55] <ActionParsnip> istvan: then its not plugged in right, there is a standard that there should be lights around the link. Check the router link light too
[20:55] <Arcidias> blackMatrix1: they have a tool which can make you a persistent usb drive
[20:55] <Ober7> apple curse*
[20:55] <Arcidias> magicianlord: no
[20:56] <Kjeldor> how do i run ms windows in a virtual machine?
[20:56] <nUboon2Age> virtualbox is a pretty good way to run stuff from other OSs.  Its not too bad to figure out Kjeldor.
[20:56] <ActionParsnip> magicianlord: for Canonical themselves: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-November/000643.html
[20:56] <izatt82> dont use virtualbox OSE though it doesn't have USB support. if needing it for the iphone make sure to get virtualbox PERL
[20:56] <Arcidias> magicianlord: as ActionParsnip pasted a link earlier - Canonical dropped support
[20:56] <istvan> ActionParsnip, no, there are no lights on the computer. Also, if i set my netbook up as a bridge and plug this computer into that, it works fine, so it's not HW, it's my home netowork (which i'm not admin of)
[20:56] <Ober7> Kjeldor: use a virtual machine like virtual box
[20:56] <magicianlord> ActionParsnip: since which version
[20:57] <ActionParsnip> Kjeldor: thats the only real way but it requires a windows license and install media. You will also be running Windows inside ubuntu (quite a lot of bloat)
[20:57] <Arcidias> 10.04
[20:57] <Arcidias> magicianlord: 10.04, as was pointed
[20:57] <Flannel> Arcidias, magicianlord, ActionParsnip: Debian still supports it strongly.
[20:57] <Arcidias> Flannel: the question was about ubuntu and we are in an ubuntu help channel
[20:57] <magicianlord> Arcidias: i'm in terminal, so it's a little hard to type that into links
[20:57] <izatt82> http://www.intowindows.com/how-to-install-windows-7-on-virtualbox/
[20:57] <blackMatrix1> Arcidias: Thank you. I am using the pendrivelinux and I see the option to set persistence. one more question, Is max persistence only 4GB or its because of my usb size ?
[20:57] <Ober7> Kjeldor: like Arcidias said you need to have a legal windows cd or iso
[20:58] <izatt82> its pretty easy to installit
[20:58] <Arcidias> blackMatrix1: it's the maximum size, I'm afraid
[20:58] <ActionParsnip> izatt82: sounds expensive, i'd use a cheap XP license
[20:58] <Kjeldor> so now, how do i uninstall itunes from wine?
[20:58] <Flannel> Arcidias: Of course.  But Ubuntu doesn't support LPIA anymore, so the recommended upgrade path (since I'm not aware of any community supported LPIA effort) is Debian.
[20:58] <rww> magicianlord: It was dropped for 10.04, and pretty bad in 9.10. There is no supported upgrade path for LPIA users; if you have one, you're recommended to reinstall with a sane architecture.
[20:59] <nUboon2Age> magicianlord: here's the ubuntu dev announcement: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-November/000643.html
[20:59] <rww> Flannel: anything that can run LPIA can run x86, afaik?
[20:59] <magicianlord> rww: so it's not worth installing 9.10 over 10.04 on a netbook?
[20:59] <rww> magicianlord: no
[20:59] <Flannel> rww: Ah, is that the case?
[20:59] <blackMatrix1> Arcidias: thats good enough...till I completely move away from all that disk space windows is sitting on :-)
[20:59] <magicianlord> i would still like to try
[20:59] <kyle_> hello peeps. In ubuntu 10.4/Nautilus 2.30.1 How can I search for files in sub dir's.
[20:59] <rww> magicianlord: congratulations. enjoy wasting your time
[20:59] <Arcidias> blackMatrix1: glad to hear it
[21:00] <magicianlord> wasting my time is what i do
[21:00] <Kjeldor> How do I uninstall itunes from wine?
[21:00] <xangua> Kjeldor: apps>wine>uninstall
[21:00] <Arcidias> blackMatrix1: btw, the process of making the 4gb casper loop file takes some time and the progress bar does not move, so sit it out, don't freak out
[21:01] <rww> Flannel: I've never heard of one that didn't, and last time I read anything by Intel about it, they were planning to keep it that way
[21:01] <Sid123> what is a suitable player for playing HD video in lucid (.mkv 11 GB of size) smoothly
[21:01] <izatt82> VLC?
[21:01] <istvan> ActionParsnip, also, uner network connections ipv6 is set to ignore.. so idk why that has an address
[21:01] <magicianlord> is anyone here using 10.04? is it still usuable after the upgrade issues?
[21:01] <xangua> Sid123: are you using a netbook¿
[21:02] <xangua> magicianlord: what upgrade issues¿
[21:02] <rww> Flannel: I don't see LPIA on http://www.debian.org/ports/ , incidentally.
[21:02] <ActionParsnip> Flannel: http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUK248&q=lpia+10.04&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=     It's pretty much all over :)
[21:02] <magicianlord> xangua: there was some recent update that rendered grub 2 inoperable
[21:02] <Sid123> xangua: NO .I am using a desktop with nvidia GEfore graphics card
[21:03] <xangua> magicianlord: i set up updates every 2 weeks, i hope hen that ehy fix if in teh next 2 weeks S:
[21:03] <Arcidias> Sid123: then VLC
[21:03] <xangua> or mplayer
[21:03] <magicianlord> good idea, but what if the bug happens when you update
[21:04] <izatt82> i use VLC to watch all my video files no matter what type
[21:04] <xangua> magicianlord: does this affects only dual boot systems¿¿
[21:04] <rww> magicianlord: do you have a bug number I can look at?
[21:04] <livingdaylight> guys, I'm on Ubuntu running VB for the first time. I've used it a couple times a couple years back and the setup seems different now as to how I recall it.
i already have tried,but it was not playing smoothly
[21:05] <acathla> Sid123, mplayer with VDPAU
[21:05] <livingdaylight> Basically, I had no trouble finding the .iso and loading it. Now, however, I can't seem to find where or when during the process I create the path to the .iso. Can someone help?
[21:05] <magicianlord> nope
[21:05] <livingdaylight> I dont know when to point VB to the .iso in my downloads folder
[21:05] <rubbahdawg> how does one reach enlightment and attention?
[21:05] <Arcidias> rubbahdawg: E17 has a package in the repos
[21:06] <Arcidias> afaik
[21:06] <BiNhOw> hi
[21:06] <BiNhOw> i`m from brazil
[21:06] <BiNhOw> looking girls..
[21:06] <rubbahdawg> arcidias, sorry what?
[21:06] <izatt82> livinglight goto settings and then click on storage
[21:06] <ikonia> BiNhOw: please look elsewhere
[21:06] <maco> BiNhOw: wrong place
[21:06] <rubbahdawg> repos?, im veeery new to linux
[21:06] <ikonia> BiNhOw: this channel is for ubuntu support only
[21:06] <kyle_> if i do that can I thin say i want to move them all to one folder.
[21:06] <maco> rubbahdawg: repos = repositories. servers full of software
[21:06] <BiNhOw> ikonia sorry
[21:06] <Sid123> acathla: what is VDPAU .does it support all graphics card?
[21:06] <batbrat> Um, do GL/gl.h and GL/glu.h come with the fglrx-dev package? That seems to be the issue
[21:06] <Arcidias> rubbahdawg: weren't you asking about Enlightenment17 the window manager?
[21:07] <batbrat> Can someone please help me figure this out?
[21:07] <acathla> Sid123, let me find some URLs for you
[21:07] <istvan> ActionParsnip, http://pastebin.com/biL47eXt <-- there. that might be more helpful than my explaining
[21:07] <rubbahdawg> arcidias, no sorry, i was jokin coz i tried to reach attention about my sound problem earlier
ok
[21:07] <rubbahdawg> im trying to use renoise, but i got problems with installing "real time threads"
[21:07] <acathla> Sid123, table for supported nvidia : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_PureVideo
[21:08] <rubbahdawg> could you help me if i specify a bit further?
[21:08] <Arcidias> rubbahdawg: I'm afraid I am of no use to you there, my friend
[21:08] <nUboon2Age> livingdaylight: i can try.  are you just trying to figure out the path to a file?
[21:08] <ActionParsnip> istvan: i'd try a known good cable, or try a different port on the router
[21:08] <ActionParsnip> istvan: check the connection LED on the router is lit
[21:08] <cesc_> guys I decided to install driver RTL8187 instead of RTL8187L which I installed earlier on.
[21:09] <livingdaylight> nUboon2Age, yes
[21:09] <istvan> ActionParsnip, the cable is fine, as i said it connects to the bridged laptop fine. also, if i read that ifconfig correctly it shows some packets both for read and write?
[21:09] <nUboon2Age> livingdaylight: clarification: are you saying you're using Visual Basic on Ubuntu?
[21:09] <cesc_> when trying to compile the driver ...... I got this output... let me pastebin it.
[21:09] <livingdaylight> nUboon2Age, Virtual Box
[21:09] <Arcidias> nUboon2Age: VirtualBox
[21:09] <nUboon2Age> livingdaylight: ah virtualbox
[21:09] <ActionParsnip> istvan: it is recieving packets, try setting the ipv4 address manually
[21:10] <Arcidias> livingdaylight: you want to boot from the iso in your Downloads folder, right?
[21:10] <livingdaylight> Arcidias, yes
[21:10] <magicianlord> What is planned for 10.10?
[21:10] <ActionParsnip> !maverick | magicianlord
[21:10] <Sid123> <acathla:will xbmc do it?
[21:10] <Arcidias> magicianlord: Gnome3!
[21:10] <istvan> ActionParsnip, do i need to reboot or just hit apply after that? (and should i use the gui?)
[21:10] <nUboon2Age> livingdaylight: i think Arcidias may be of more help.  i've used virtualbox but not enough to be that much help.
[21:10] <magicianlord> Gnome 3 would be nice.
[21:11] <Arcidias> livingdaylight: then make a new machine, by clicking the New button up left
[21:11] <rubbahdawg> arcidias, do you have any idea what it mans when it says, " To enable RT thread creation via PAM open the /etc/security/limits.conf file as root (or via sudo)."
[21:11] <ActionParsnip> istvan: you can use any method you like, shouldnt need a reboot. Linux is designed to not need reboots
[21:11] <Arcidias> rubbahdawg: no idea
[21:11] <rubbahdawg> darned, thank you anyway
[21:11] <acathla> Sid123, yes, I think, never tried. With 10.04, you just install some libs and type "mplayer -vo vdpau -vc ffh264vdpau youfile.mkv"
[21:11] <Arcidias> livingdaylight: follow everything till you have completed the setup, then click on the name of your setup
[21:11] <acathla> there are some tutorial for ubuntu
[21:11] <livingdaylight> Arcidias, I assigned the name, memory and hd size..
[21:11] <livingdaylight> Arcidias, just need to create the path to the .iso from which I will boot and install os
[21:12] <Arcidias> livingdaylight: so now go down to Storage
[21:12] <izatt82> livingdaylight:  after you have created a new VM go to settings and then click on storage on the right you can select the ISO
[21:12] <Kjeldor> how come itunes doesnt clean out from WINE diretory after uninstall
[21:12] <Arcidias> livingdaylight: Click Storage and add a CD
[21:12] <ActionParsnip> Kjeldor: because of the way its coded. Some apps work extremely well, some work badly, some won't even install
[21:12] <Arcidias> livingdaylight: and it would give you a selection box, where you can find the iso, then add it, then Start the virtual box
[21:12] <acathla> Sid123, just install libvdpau1
[21:13] <Arcidias> livingdaylight: and that;s it!
[21:13] <Kjeldor> so what shall I do?
[21:13] <ActionParsnip> Kjeldor: you need to remove some entries in ~/.config
[21:13] <randyrkelly> is there another zip file manager that is very good
[21:13] <Kjeldor> how?
[21:13] <Arcidias> guys, I gotta get going
[21:13] <Arcidias> good night all
[21:13] <ActionParsnip> Kjeldor: check in ~/.config/menus/applications-merged
[21:14] <Kjeldor> how do I do that?
[21:14] <ActionParsnip> randyrkelly: you can use command line, what are you trying to achieve?
[21:14] <ActionParsnip> Kjeldor: open the folkder in nautilus, you can press CTRL+H to sow hidden files
[21:14] <randyrkelly> well unzip the android sdk
[21:14] <ActionParsnip> randyrkelly: whats the file name?
[21:14] <Kjeldor> nautilus? where is that?
i have already but doesn't seem to help much
[21:15] <ActionParsnip> Kjeldor: click Places -> Home Folder
[21:15] <randyrkelly> tgz
[21:15] <ActionParsnip> Kjeldor: that runs nautilus
[21:15] <Kjeldor> done
[21:15] <ActionParsnip> randyrkelly: so its: filename.tgz
[21:15] <Kjeldor> next?
[21:15] <randyrkelly> ActionParsnip, yes
[21:15] <acathla> Sid123, watch the output of mplayer, it will tell you what's wrong
[21:16] <randyrkelly> ActionParsnip, 	android-sdk_r06-linux_86.tgz
[21:16] <cesc_> guys I decided to install driver RTL8187 instead of RTL8187L which I installed earlier on.
[21:16] <cesc_> when trying to compile the driver ...... I got this output...  http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/yMWK1F9r
[21:16] <ActionParsnip> randyrkelly: gzip -cd filename.tgz | tar xvf -
[21:16] <cesc_> I got some errors there.. any help?
[21:16] <randyrkelly> ok
[21:17] <istvan> ActionParsnip, the lights on my switch for that port are off. and it's not the cable, i tried that same cable with my netbook (again just now) which is in brdge and it worked no problem
it says ------------->MPlayer SVN-r1.0~rc3+svn20090426-4.4.3 (C) 2000-2009 MPlayer Team
[21:18] <Sid123> mplayer: could not connect to socket
[21:18] <Sid123> mplayer: No such file or directory
[21:18] <Sid123> Failed to open LIRC support. You will not be able to use your remote control.
[21:18] <FloodBot3> Sid123: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:18] <ActionParsnip> istvan: ok, when it works on the netbook, does the LED on the router light up?
[21:19] <CT1> Hi. Other than '~/.gtk-bookmarks'  Where do the other places that appear in 'Places' come from?  I have an NTFS volume mounted on boot but it appears twice in 'Places'  Where should I start looking for why this happens?  "Unprivileged user can not mount NTFS block devices using the external FUSE library"
[21:19] <Kjeldor> ActionParsnip: What do I do next? I have Places>Home Folder opened
[21:19] <istvan> ActionParsnip, i used the netbook to connect the coputer having questions. I set the netbook to forward the inet connection from wireless to it's ethernet port. and i tried 4 different ports ont he switch, 2 of which i know to be good.
hey can u help
[21:20] <cesc_> guys I decided to install driver RTL8187 instead of RTL8187L which I installed earlier on.
[21:20] <cesc_> when trying to compile the driver ...... I got this output...  http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/yMWK1F9r
[21:20] <cesc_> I got some errors there.. any help?
[21:20] <ActionParsnip> Kjeldor: read the previous stuff I said, its all there
[21:21] <ActionParsnip> istvan: fine but if you look at the router, is the connected indicator LED on for the link??
[21:21] <Kjeldor> ActionParsnip: Im inside .nautilus folder now...
[21:22] <istvan> not when the computer having isues is connected. there are a bunch of other computers connected to that switch, and all of them do have the lights, yes.
[21:22] <nlko> hey, if i want to install ubuntu on my laptop with encrypted drive from the start do i need the alternative cd?
[21:22] <istvan> ActionParsnip, so i'm confused esp. cause ifconfig said packets were getting recieved, but the lights on the switch say no connection?
[21:23] <Quantum_Ion> nlko, Are you gonna be erasing everything on the hardrive
[21:23] <nlko> Quantum_Ion: yes
[21:23] <nlko> Quantum_Ion: fresh install
[21:24] <ActionParsnip> Kjeldor: read what I said. I never mentioned .nautilus, try reading and not guessing
[21:24]  * Bridge| fresh installs his brain......
[21:24] <ratdog> hello, somehow i lost the gnome network manager on the desktop. Where it would go in the panel. It doesn not auto start. Im on Lucid.
[21:24] <ActionParsnip> istvan: does it turn on with the netbook which gets the web when its connected?
[21:24] <istvan> ActionParsnip, havn't tried that. will do now
[21:24] <ActionParsnip> ratdog: press ALT+F2, type: nm-applet   press ENTER
[21:24] <CT1> Where can I read up on how the "Places" menu is populated? "~/.gtk-bookmarks" is only half the story.  How are drives added to the menu automatically?
[21:24] <ActionParsnip> istvan: i asked you 4 times now
[21:24] <nlko> Quantum_Ion: ive gone for http://gb.releases.ubuntu.com/10.04/ubuntu-10.04-alternate-i386.iso, seem ok?
[21:25] <cesc_> I'm desperate. I'm trying to install drivers for my Alfa Network AWUS036H on my machine running xubuntu. This wireless usb adapter has chipset Realtek RTL8187. Early this afternoon I installed RTL8187L driver successfully on kernel but the device is not recognized. I reckon it must be chipset RTL8187 instead (withou the final L). Now I'm trying to install it and I get errors. The output is here
[21:25] <Kjeldor> ActionParsnip: Even if I read your post 100x, I still wouldnt understand it as I am a new user to UBUNTU. It would be of great help if you could lay it down to me in "laymans terms" for the time being while I'm learning
[21:25] <cesc_> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/yMWK1F9r
[21:26] <ActionParsnip> (21:13:49) ActionParsnip: Kjeldor: check in ~/.config/menus/applications-merged
[21:26] <ActionParsnip> Kjeldor: you are just lazy
[21:26] <thune3> cesc_: i'm guessing that the "2007" version that you are trying to compile is not compatible with newer kernels, but I'm probably wrong.
[21:26] <istvan> ActionParsnip, and i answered that all of the other comptuers (including this one which is running 10.04) that are connected to that switch have the lights on the switch that corospond to them on. but i figured i'd give up and tell u what the deal with the netbook is too.
[21:26] <Quantum_Ion> nlko What was on the hardrive before Linux ?
[21:26] <Kjeldor> how do i do that "check in"
[21:26] <ratdog> ActionParsnip did not work..
[21:26] <ActionParsnip> Kjeldor: open the folder
[21:27] <Kjeldor> Im a windows user, and new to UBUNTU sorry
[21:27] <ActionParsnip> Kjeldor: you arent new to reading though
[21:27] <ratdog> ActionParsnip something popsuo then disapears
[21:27] <Kjeldor> yeah, but how do I execute what your saying
[21:27] <ActionParsnip> istvan: if you run: sudo lshw -C network     what is the product name for the wired connection?
[21:27] <nlko> Quantum_Ion: windows and linux
[21:27] <bsmith093> i bought one of those sata ide to usb kits on ebay, i cant get it to work and honestly it looks very flimsy could it be a fake because the adapter that the sata cables pluginto feells very light
[21:28] <Quantum_Ion> nlko you said the disk was encrypted by what operating system ?
[21:28] <nlko> Quantum_Ion: im pretty sure its not a big deal, was just wondering which iso had the encrypted drive option at install time
[21:28] <nlko> Quantum_Ion: it wasnt, i want it to be now, bu ubuntu
[21:28] <ActionParsnip> Kjeldor: you follow the folder tree until you get to the folder, you will then see the files which are being merged with your apps menu and can clean them up
[21:28] <Quantum_Ion> nlko, take the 32 Desktop Install I would wipe the hard disk clean if you just plan to use Ubuntu Linux on the drive
[21:29] <sarah32> hi i have a small problem could pls someone help me ?
[21:29] <CT1> Can anyone tell me, or point me to some documents explaining how the "Places" menu is populated please?
[21:29] <sarah32> E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room. Please increase the size of APT::Cache-Limit. Current value: 25165824. (man 5 apt.conf)
[21:29] <sarah32> E: Error occurred while processing language-pack-gnome-tl-base (NewFileDesc2)
[21:29] <sarah32> E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_lucid-proposed_main_binary-i386_Packages
[21:29] <FloodBot3> sarah32: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:29] <Kjeldor> Im totally lost
[21:29] <sarah32> me too
[21:29] <ActionParsnip> sarah32: use a pastebin and we can see the full output, please dont flood in future
[21:29] <cesc_> thune3 on Alfa web site I downloaded the latest driver for it an it says for Linux kernel 2.6.x
[21:30] <sarah32> sorry
[21:30] <ratdog> sigh
[21:30] <ActionParsnip> Kjeldor: from your home directory you will see the ".config" folder, double click it, then double click "menus", then double click "applications-merged"
[21:30]  * ActionParsnip puts away his spoon
[21:31] <Kjeldor> got it!
[21:31] <Kjeldor> then?
[21:31] <ratdog> ActionParsnip any other ideers?
[21:31]  * ActionParsnip sighs
[21:31] <ratdog> lol
[21:31] <ratdog> >:)
[21:32] <ActionParsnip> Kjeldor: that folder has all the items which wine has failed to remove, remove what you don't need
[21:32] <cesc_> I'm desperate. I'm trying to install drivers for my Alfa Network AWUS036H on my machine running xubuntu. This wireless usb adapter has chipset Realtek RTL8187. Early this afternoon I installed RTL8187L driver successfully on kernel but the device is not recognized. I reckon it must be chipset RTL8187 instead (withou the final L). Now I'm trying to install it and I get errors. The output is here
[21:32] <cesc_> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/yMWK1F9r
[21:32] <Kjeldor> done moved to trash...
[21:32] <daedalus_> Hi people. Yesterday I could zoom in using shift+scroll wheel (after activating the restricted nvidia drivers) today it won't let me. I don't see the option in the nividia program
[21:32] <ActionParsnip> ratdog: install wicd if youo don't use 3G
 what driver did you install ?
 did you try to install compat-wireless ?
[21:33] <ratdog> ActionParsnip done that, still no luck :/
[21:33] <Kjeldor> how come when I open wine, I still see alot of itunes applications inside? Is there a way to remove those permanently?
 and what OS do you use ?
[21:33] <cesc_> a driver for my usb wireless adapter.. Alfa Network model AWUS036H
[21:34] <cesc_> I use xubuntu updated to today.
[21:34] <istvan> ActionParsnip, http://pastebin.com/FKbiiK1q
[21:34] <cesc_> xubuntu 10.04
[21:34] <cesc_> No I did not try to install compat-wireless.
 what driver did you install ? and if you use lucid i do and i have rtl8187l and rtl8187b i mean i lucid u dont need to install any drivers unless u want use aircrack or something
[21:34] <packagedeliverer> Hi, I have a newbie question, I'm using a command line. Is it possible to link a directory to another? for example doing "cd /folder/subfolder" positions you in "/folder/subfolder2" ?
[21:35] <Jordan_U> cesc_: First thing I would try is "sudo apt-get install linux-backports-modules-wireless-lucid-generic"
 do you use alfa just for internet or for hacking neigbours too ?
[21:35] <ActionParsnip> istvan: our wireless has an IP
[21:36] <Jordan_U> !tab | sarah32
do you use alfa just for internet or for hacking neigbours too ?
[21:36] <cesc_> sarah32 this usb wireless adapter.. I use it on another machine with ubuntu 10.04 with no problems at all. It worked straight away without installing any drivers.. On this other machine with xubuntu 10.04 it doesn't work.
[21:36] <sarah32> sorry jordan
[21:36] <ZykoticK9> packagedeliverer, check out the ln command, you need to use -s for directories
[21:36] <Jordan_U> sarah32: No reason to be sorry :)
[21:36] <istvan> ActionParsnip, yes, it's online with wireless just fine. but i'm looking to use the ethernet. and as far as i can tell those settings are separate? they are int he gui network connections anyway...
[21:36] <nUboon2Age> cesc_: i see on the web where others have used ndiswrapper successfully with the RTL8187.
[21:36] <killerforeverr> http://icecream-co.webnode.com/chatbox/ all go ur gonna be gms and pms now now now
[21:36] <killerforeverr> http://icecream-co.webnode.com/chatbox/ all go ur gonna be gms and pms now now now
[21:36] <killerforeverr> http://icecream-co.webnode.com/chatbox/ all go ur gonna be gms and pms now now now
[21:36] <FloodBot3> killerforeverr: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:36] <nUboon2Age> cesc_: so that is always an option.
[21:36] <packagedeliverer> Hey ZykoticK9, ln produces "Operation not permitted" I'm a logged in as root
  check up dmesg
[21:37] <ActionParsnip> istvan: you can use network manager in the indicator applet
[21:37] <packagedeliverer> A google search told me symbolic links were not possible for fat32 nor ntfs?
[21:37] <Jordan_U> cesc_: If it works out of the box with 10.04 on another machine then you probably shouln't be compiling and installing non-standard drivers.
[21:37] <ZykoticK9> packagedeliverer, the syntax would be like "ln -s /source/directory /source/directory2" - you'd need to use sudo if not in home directory
[21:38] <daedalus_> Next question, does ubuntu come with something to play rss/xml podcasts?
[21:38] <istvan> ActionParsnip, yes, thats what i'm using, and i think i have everything set rite. if not, i'v changed it around pleanty of times
[21:38] <ZykoticK9> packagedeliverer, i'd recommend against using "root" account in ubuntu
[21:39] <Jordan_U> cesc_: Xubuntu uses exactly the same kernel an drivers as Ubuntu, so it's probably not actually a problem with the wireless drivers. Possibly a problem with USB in general (can you use other USB devices?) or a simple configuration problem.
[21:39] <cesc_> sarah32 I have my own internet connection but I have experimented hacking some neigbours just to see that this works.
[21:39] <ActionParsnip> helpmeeee: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/tunesviewer-itunes-university-media-and-podcasts-in-linux.html
[21:39] <nUboon2Age> cesc_: i wonder if differences in xubuntu and ubuntu's network manager could explain the difference.  There is a #xubuntu channel that might be helpful too.
 i know your ip
[21:39] <cesc_> :)
[21:40] <sarah32> will report you to your neighbours
[21:40] <packagedeliverer> ZykoticK9, I'm using telnet with sh, not bash, I'll need to figure out how to get sudo working
[21:40] <ZykoticK9> packagedeliverer, if you really are "root" you don't need sudo
 try to install if you know how compat-wireless with those drivers your internet will work and aircrack too i mean if you want
[21:41] <ZykoticK9> packagedeliverer, telnet = fail, check out SSH for secure connections
[21:41] <sarah32> and check up aircrack website there is a very lot of info about alfa
[21:41] <cesc_> the bizarre thing is why my Alfa Network works out of the box on my PC with ubuntu lucid lynx and not on my other pc with xubuntu 10.04.
[21:41] <ActionParsnip> sarah32: i know yours too
 cuz there maybe is driver missing
 no you know my proxy
[21:42] <ratdog> ActionParsnip can i purge wirc with terminal then re-install
[21:42] <ActionParsnip> sure
[21:42] <packagedeliverer> ZykoticK9, it's an emtec NAS, it can't handle SSH, hence telnet
[21:42] <ActionParsnip> sarah32: what's my ip ;)
[21:42] <Jordan_U> packagedeliverer: That is correct, you cannot create symlinks on fat32 (not sure about ntfs) and you also cannot create hard links to directories on almost all filesystems.
[21:42] <cesc_> let's see compat-wireless in ubuntu software center
 type dmesg and you will see if oyur card is working or there is a driver missing
[21:42] <ratdog> ActionParsnip can i have help with the command?
[21:42] <nUboon2Age> cesc_: that's why i say it could be about differences between ubuntu and xubuntu.
[21:42] <cesc_> ok let me see.
[21:42] <istvan> ActionParsnip, did i miss waht you were saying with the connection tools? i stillc an't get a ethernet connection...
 911?
[21:42] <packagedeliverer> Jordan_U, I also tried ntfs, it didn't work
[21:42] <ActionParsnip> ratdog: sudo apt-get --purge remove wicd   will remove it fully
[21:43] <ratdog> ty, /me hands ActionParsnip a DEW
[21:43] <ActionParsnip> sarah32: i'm an ubuntu member, we get cloaks
[21:43] <winterweaver> I need to install some packages, but it fails because I previously installed docky, and now have the ricotz ppa packages conflicting with the default packages. See error here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1553537
 im a Windows 7 member
[21:43] <sarah32> so what
[21:43] <sarah32> ?
[21:43] <sarah32> im better
[21:44] <FloodBot3> sarah32: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:44] <ActionParsnip> sarah32: yes, but you dont get irc cloaks to completely mask your ip
[21:44] <sarah32> :)
[21:44] <rww> anyone can get an irc cloak to mask their isp. huzzah unaffiliated/ cloaks
[21:44] <slidinghorn> trying to use conkyforecast and need help getting an image to show for current conditions.  was recommended to use a template, but after seeing an example, it's over my head -- looking for someone "taller" than myself ;-)
 i dont know much about cloaks etc
[21:45] <sarah32> :)
[21:45] <owd95> someone that can recommend me a good nvidia card, i have a ati 5770 now?
[21:46] <mena> hi
[21:46] <Daekdroom> owd95, You shouldn't be thinking of getting a new videocard if you have a 5770
[21:46] <mena> hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
[21:46] <headkase314> owd95, if you're Ubuntu only a 5770 should be adequate for pretty-well any task?
[21:46] <ActionParsnip> Daekdroom: depends on requirements
[21:47] <ActionParsnip> owd95: whats the system for?
[21:47] <Daekdroom> ActionParsnip, I can't think of anyone using Ubuntu and envying more than the power of a 5770 unless he's going to use it for something other than 3D power.
[21:47] <ActionParsnip> Daekdroom: we'll see
[21:47] <headkase314> owd95, I say that because there aren't that many cutting-edge high-requirement games for Ubuntu.  Now if you're dual-booting with Windows and want games there then that's different...
[21:48] <ratdog> k, ActionParsnip how can i purge gnome network manager?
[21:49] <owd95> i heard that nvidia cards works better in linux then ati... and games not working great in wine...
[21:49] <ratdog> hehhe
[21:49] <owd95> and compiz not works smooth with my ati card...
[21:49] <ActionParsnip> ratdog: sudo apt-get --purge remove network-manager
[21:50] <thewanderer1> how can I install Ubuntu on a pendrive? how much space do I need?
[21:50] <ratdog> ActionParsnip took a break
[21:50] <ratdog> o ty
[21:50] <headkase314> owd95, my Radeon HD 4670 works like a champ in Ubuntu (I'm Ubuntu only) but I don't use it in WINE.  What processor do you have?  I think that may make more difference for you?
[21:50] <ActionParsnip> owd95: nvidia always work fantastically in Linux
[21:50] <owd95> headkase314: i have an intel core i5 750
[21:50] <ActionParsnip> owd95: nvidia have been supporting Linux for at least 10 years that I'm aware of, and probably earlier
[21:50] <headkase314> owd95, do you know the frequency? (Ghz)
[21:51] <owd95> headkase314: yes, 2.6GHz i think with turbo
[21:52] <owd95> ActionParsnip: nice, can you recommend me a good card then?
[21:52] <headkase314> owd95, I can't see your processor being a bottleneck then.  However a 5770 is a decent card too.  So, it makes me wonder if WINE itself is what is deficient here..  Opinions anyone?
[21:52] <ActionParsnip> owd95: nvidia but not the very very latest ones and you'll be fine
[21:52] <ZykoticK9> thewanderer1, do you want a LiveCD type environment on the USB key or a real install onto a USB key?
[21:53] <thewanderer1> ZykoticK9: an install - and yes, I'm aware of flash wear or w/e, I will handle that stuff
[21:53] <zipper> Hi everbody
[21:53] <owd95> headkase314: so you think i can keep my card?
[21:53] <thewanderer1> only I don't have an optical drive...
[21:53] <zipper> i got a problem burning dvd0s with brasero
[21:53] <headkase314> owd95, one second googling
[21:53] <DasEi> !unetbootin | thewanderer1
[21:54] <ZykoticK9> thewanderer1, do a regular install and select it as the install drive - BUT you need to click "advanced" and select to install GRUB onto the USB key if you want to select it to boot from BIOS (understand that part?  might not be clear)
[21:54] <zipper> i cant burn any dvd
[21:54] <DasEi>  thewanderer1: unetbootin is very confortable to me
[21:55] <thewanderer1> ZykoticK9: yes, well, I can manage GRUB, I only needed to know if this is possible in a straightforward way
[21:55] <thewanderer1> will the persistent install produce an overlay so it keeps all files (aufs or so)?
[21:55] <ZykoticK9> thewanderer1, if you want a LiveCD type then use unetbootin or startup disk creator as suggseted by others
[21:55] <owd95> ActionParsnip: thx
[21:55] <owd95> !
[21:55] <ZykoticK9> thewanderer1, both ways are "pretty" straight forward actually
[21:55] <thewanderer1> ZykoticK9: not really, I want a persistent install so that I can store files, packages, and tweak settings
[21:56] <headkase314> owd95, I'm not all that familiar with WINE but would WINETricks -> http://wiki.winehq.org/winetricks help make programs run better / easier to run?  There is a link to Ubuntu .deb files on that page that includes the latest WINETricks
[21:56] <ZykoticK9> thewanderer1, if you want persistent then i'd recommend using the Ubuntu Startup Disk creator over unetbootin
[21:56] <headkase314> owd95, Includes the latest WINE tricks as part of the latest WINE for Ubuntu
[21:56] <owd95> headkase314: thx! i will try that!
[21:56] <bsmith093> is there a way to batch streamdump about 15 .ram files
[21:56] <ZykoticK9> thewanderer1, persitent != install
[21:56] <headkase314> owd95, no promises but I hope it helps
[21:57] <headkase314> owd95, as always read a lot, type a little ;)
[21:57] <bsmith093> i know i could do it one at a time manually but that would take forever so id much rather have some software do it for me ( just feed it the rams
[21:57] <thewanderer1> ZykoticK9: I thought it would give me an overlay so that all my files and settings are kept, like an aufs branch mounted over my root filesystem that uses some writable directory as the backing store
[21:57] <thewanderer1> I'm unclear on this now - what does persistent mean here?
[21:58] <thewanderer1> I'd like it to behave exactly like a disk install
[21:58] <ZykoticK9> thewanderer1, some of the USB key is used to store files/data
[21:58] <thewanderer1> ah-ha, so no persistency in Ubuntu...
[21:58] <ZykoticK9> thewanderer1, you can perform a regular install onto the USB - just do the Grub manual thing
[21:58] <thune3> thewanderer1: if doing full install to USB, be aware of  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/549756 it was only recently fixed and could affect you if installing with lucid.
[21:59] <thewanderer1> thune3: thanks, it looks scary
[21:59] <ZykoticK9> thewanderer1, that's want i'm talking about grub
[21:59] <opij> The LXDE desktop environment doesnt seem to save me any resources, yet, Lubuntu barely takes up 60 MB of ram. I'm not looking for non-ubuntu support here, just would like to know what I'm doing wrong.
[21:59] <thewanderer1> I don't like rescuing my system as I don't have an optical drive :P
[21:59] <ZykoticK9> thewanderer1, just click on "advanced" and manually point grub to the usb during install!
[21:59] <thewanderer1> okay
[22:00] <thewanderer1> so where do I boot the installer from?
[22:00] <thewanderer1> from the same pendrive that I install to?
[22:00] <ZykoticK9> thewanderer1, you'd need 2 USB drives
[22:00] <thewanderer1> uh
[22:00] <ZykoticK9> thewanderer1, did you say you have no optical drive?
[22:01] <thewanderer1> yes, I did
[22:01] <thewanderer1> not even one at this house :P
[22:01] <ZykoticK9> thewanderer1, then you'd need 2 usb drives to do anything.  good luck man :)
[22:02] <Chiggins> Could someone help me get VNC up and running? I can't seem to connect to anything
[22:02] <thewanderer1> well, I can actually set that up with debootstrap...
[22:02] <thewanderer1> if I know what packages I need to get it going
[22:02] <headkase314> It amazes me that hardware is shifting so that sometimes you just don't have an optical drive.  I remember before optical drives and its looking like I'll see the end of optical drives too! ;)
[22:03] <opij> The LXDE desktop environment doesnt seem to save me any resources, yet, Lubuntu barely takes up 60 MB of ram. I'm not looking for non-ubuntu support here, just would like to know what I'm doing wrong.
[22:03] <thewanderer1> opij: LXDE is supposed to take 60-80MB RAM...
[22:04] <sarah32> cesc, are you still here?
[22:04] <Messy> i dont now why ubuntu doesnt come with an irc client
[22:04] <opij> thewanderer1, it's taking over 500
[22:04] <maco> Messy: it does... empathy... but its awful
[22:04] <slidinghorn> Messy:  it comes w/ xchat
[22:04] <slidinghorn> doesnt it?
[22:05] <Messy> No it doesnt
[22:05] <maco> slidinghorn: no, xubuntu does though, i think
[22:05] <craigbass1976> I've a friend on gutsy.  Though he's on broadband, connection is still too slow to upgrade to hardy, then to lucid.  Well, not if I don't want to be here all week.  How do I get thunderbird running once I get a clean lucid running, somehow using the tbird profile from gutsy
[22:05] <headkase314> slidinghorn, I had to install XChat
[22:05] <maco> kubuntu has quassel
[22:05] <Quantum_Ion> xchat has been he standard for a longtime
[22:05] <slidinghorn> i guess i just forgot installing it, lol
[22:05] <Messy> empathy doesnt have irc support and i installed xchat manually
[22:05] <maco> craigbass1976: just keep the dot files in ~
[22:05] <thewanderer1> Pidgin supports IRC :P
[22:05] <maco> craigbass1976: .mozilla and maybe .mozilla-thunderbird
[22:05] <Messy> yea but its not on default install
[22:05] <maco> craigbass1976: but you know, you can install clean and just not delete /home...
[22:05] <panoptical> mint comes with xchat
[22:05] <headkase314> Pidgin supports IRC?  I'll have to play with that when I get home!
[22:06] <maco> Messy: empathy does have ir suppot
[22:06] <panoptical> pidgin's irc support sucks
[22:06] <maco> Messy: its *bad*support, but its there
[22:06] <ZykoticK9> Messy, i agree with you re IRC - but it's offtopic
[22:06] <headkase314> Heheh, ok bad support ;)
[22:06] <ZykoticK9> maco, i wouldn't make the claim that empathy supports IRC - serious issues there...
[22:06] <Messy> I dont know what the topic is because i started xchat and it logged me in here automaticly
[22:06] <maco> Messy: bad enough that the initial setup wizard doesnt offer it. but if you go to create a new account through the menus, its there
[22:06] <maco> ZykoticK9: i *said* it was *bad*
[22:07] <maco> Messy:  its at the top of the window
[22:07] <sarah32> guys will ubuntu lucid work on my desktop pc ?
[22:07] <Messy> maco : I searched through the available new accounts and irc was not there
[22:07] <maco> sarah32: try with a live cd and find out
[22:07] <headkase314> sarah32, boot the live cd and try
[22:07] <maco> Messy: the initial thing on the wizard doesnt offer it
[22:07] <sarah32> i i have commodore
[22:07] <maco> Messy: but ive seen it in use
[22:07] <sarah32> and the other is atari
[22:07] <ZykoticK9> Messy, there is a "bug" that you need to add another type of account - prior to being able to successfully add an IRC account (with empathy)
[22:07] <thewanderer1> sarah32: it's not a "desktop PC" :P
[22:08] <headkase314> sarah32, there are two options when you boot from the cd: install and live cd desktop.  Go to the desktop and see if everything works.
[22:08] <batbrat> Hi
[22:08] <Messy> I see..
[22:08] <maco> ZykoticK9: i dont think thats a bug...im pretty sure its "this protocol is so crap, we need to hide it"
[22:08] <sarah32> my dad told me it is
[22:08] <batbrat> I'm trying to figure out an installation issue.
[22:08] <maco> sarah32: commodore is about 15 years too old
[22:08] <slidinghorn> running conkyforecast on Lucid.  Trying to use the images in /usr/share/conkyforecast/images/weathericons but they're not showing up.  My .conkyrc here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/478531/   and here's a screenshot: http://imagebin.org/109833
[22:08] <thewanderer1> sarah32: "PC" is a name used to refer to IBM-compatible personal computers. Commodore is not IBM-compatible. alright?
[22:08] <Quantum_Ion> I wish Ubuntu Linux recognized all wifi cards during the live cd tryout
[22:08] <headkase314> Don't make me pull out my Amiga and start bashing people with it! ;)
[22:08] <mneptok> maco: uhhh ... try 25
[22:08] <maco> thewanderer1: PC means Personal Computer, regardless of architecture
[22:08] <ZykoticK9> maco, it's an Empathy upstream bug - and they say they "won't fix" because it's too much work to fix IRC on Empathy and they recommend using an alternative :|
[22:08] <duffydack> linux on amiga is possible...:)
[22:09] <Quantum_Ion> Amiga is a collectors item
[22:09] <batbrat> I'm trying to install freeglut3 without libgl1-mesa-dev. I tried to compile it from source since the package manager could not help me.
[22:09] <maco> sarah32: you need a computer made in the last decade
[22:09] <Quantum_Ion> I wish I had kept my IBM PCjr
[22:09] <cesc> sarah32 yes I'm still here
[22:09] <sarah32> thewanderer1,  so what commodore is ? it isnt a tractor for sure
[22:09] <thewanderer1> maco: in the last 15 years :P
[22:09] <maco> sarah32: its a early-1980s computer
[22:09] <batbrat> When compiling from source, freeglut is unable to find the gl headers
[22:09] <headkase314> cesc, hows the wireless going?
[22:09] <Quantum_Ion> it used 5 1.4 floppy drive remember those
[22:09] <maco> sarah32: it doesnt meet the minimum specs required for ubuntu
[22:09] <batbrat> I located them at /usr/include/ATI/GL
[22:09] <cesc> trying to download the correct compat-wireless from ubuntu software center
[22:09] <thewanderer1> sarah32: sorry, Ubuntu doesn't provide a system architecture for Commodore/Atari
[22:09] <Slart> batbrat: have you installed the opengl headers for development?
[22:09] <maco> sarah32: you need an intel-compatible cpu and at least 256MB of RAM.. so.. around 1998 or newer
[22:10] <thewanderer1> sarah32: Ubuntu only works on i386 and amd64-compatible PC's
[22:10] <sarah32> cesc u can add backtrack repistory to your ubuntu and there u will have drivers for rtl8187 pathced for injecton so you wont need to compile or anything
[22:10] <batbrat> If you mean fglrx-dev,then yes Slart
[22:10] <mneptok> thewanderer1: and PPC
[22:10] <Quantum_Ion> sara32, I hope you have a modern laptop with 4GB of RAM MEMORY TOO
[22:10] <headkase314> thewanderer1, ppc too?  What is ps3 architecture?
[22:10] <sarah32> maco ok tnx
[22:10] <sarah32> :)
[22:10] <thewanderer1> hm, I wasn't aware for Ubuntu for PPC
[22:10] <ZykoticK9> thewanderer1, sarah32 actually i doubt ubuntu would run on a true 386 these days
[22:10] <thewanderer1> s/for/of/
[22:10] <cesc> which is the backtrack repository?
[22:10] <maco> thewanderer1: its a community supported port
[22:10] <thewanderer1> ZykoticK9: alright, i387 :P
[22:11] <maco> !backtrack | cesc
[22:11] <headkase314> cesc, you mean backport?
[22:11] <Quantum_Ion> When XP is no longer supported by Micro I will just through Ubuntu Linux on it
[22:11] <batbrat> Slart: Do you know what needs to be done to get things working?
[22:11] <maco> ZykoticK9: 686 is minimum i think now
[22:11] <ZykoticK9> maco, i believe so as well ;)
[22:11] <sarah32> commodore was a calculator not a computer and i used it in 80's
[22:11] <sarah32> :)
[22:11] <maco> headkase314: no, cesc wants to use bt4's repos
[22:11] <thewanderer1> I haven't heard of packages being compiled for i686
[22:11] <cesc> no sarah32 suggested backtrack repository
[22:11] <Slart> batbrat: hmm.. nope.. but let me google around for a bit.. see if I can't find something useful
[22:11] <Oer> Quantum_Ion, good thought.
[22:11] <maco> thewanderer1: its been 486 for ages, but support for 486 is being dropped in 10.10
[22:12] <headkase314> maco, oh ok - was wondering if he was trying to get a backport of some wireless modules from +1
[22:12] <thewanderer1> maco: oh uh.
[22:12] <batbrat> Slart: Thanks. I hope you find something useful.
[22:12] <Quantum_Ion> sarah32, you can always take out the hardrive of old computers and go purchase a hardrive enclosure and use the old hard drive as a backup hardrive
[22:12] <thewanderer1> hm, I can see some interesting stuff in UNetBootin
[22:12] <maco> thewanderer1:  packages *say* 386, but they're not ;-)
[22:12] <ZykoticK9> thewanderer1, in Ubuntu the i386 is really i686
[22:12] <thewanderer1> ah, alright
[22:12] <thewanderer1> Developers, developers, developers.... :P
[22:12] <maco> afaik, they say 386 for legacy reasons.... ie, so upgrades dont freak out
[22:13] <Quantum_Ion> sarah32, every 4 -5 years you need to purchase a new computer
[22:13] <headkase314> thewanderer1, 10.10 I believe is going to be i686+ only, dropping i586?  Anyone confirm that?
[22:13] <thewanderer1> headkase314: I don't know, haven't been to Ubuntu for like 2 years
[22:13] <maco> Quantum_Ion: disagree
[22:13] <maco> Quantum_Ion: 10 years
[22:13] <maco> Quantum_Ion: well... for desktops
[22:13] <sarah32> Quantum_Ion, i bought last year msigt725
[22:13] <sarah32> msigt725
[22:14] <maco> Quantum_Ion: because they can be upgraded nicely :)  but laptops...ok sure 5....
[22:14] <Slart> batbrat: you've downloaded the source for freeglut somewhere?
[22:14] <sarah32> i think it will last few years
[22:14] <thewanderer1> if I select "10.04 Hd_media" in Unetbootin instead of "10.04 Live", will it install Ubuntu on my pendrive just like it is installed on a hard disk?
[22:14] <headkase314> Confirmed: http://www.thisweekinlinux.com/2010/06/ubuntu-10-10-maverick-meerkat-drops-pre-i686-cpu-support-does-it-affect-you/
[22:15] <RickBuzzly_> You're one of my kind sarah32. Love the 8-bits.
[22:15] <sarah32> RickBuzzly_,  me too
[22:15] <sarah32> heheheh
[22:15] <aeon-ltd> headkase314: about time, kinda. if you have a i686 cpu, the difference is/was huge
[22:15] <RickBuzzly_> 6502 forever
[22:15] <thewanderer1> phew, my Pentium Pro is safe!
[22:15] <headkase314> aeon-ltd,  So no Atom processors for 10.10 as I'm certain those are i586?
[22:15] <thewanderer1> headkase314: what?!
[22:16] <ZykoticK9> headkase314, no they're not..
[22:16] <maco> headkase314: no.. im using an Atom right now with 10.10
[22:16] <aeon-ltd> headkase314: unr might still retain support
[22:16]  * maco is using normal kubuntu...
[22:16] <thewanderer1> Atom is amd64, guys...
[22:16] <aeon-ltd> headkase314: its not hard for canonical to supply 2 different kernels
[22:16] <RickBuzzly_> 68000 also :)
[22:16] <thewanderer1> unless you have some really ancient Atom stuff
[22:16] <headkase314> maco, ok I thought Atom was 586 I am absolutely willing to admit I'm wrong with that! ;)
[22:16] <maco> thewanderer1: only some. some are 32bit
[22:16] <Slart> !ot
[22:17] <thewanderer1> ok...
[22:17] <Quantum_Ion> Atom is Intel
[22:17] <Quantum_Ion> Atom is that processor in netbooks
[22:17] <Zol> how come I have around 75 processes of console-kit-daemon --no-daemon  running?
[22:17] <maco> Quantum_Ion: yes....and...? that doesnt prevent being amd64
[22:17] <Zol> I kill them but they return. :(
[22:18] <ZykoticK9> Zol, i only have 1
[22:18] <Quantum_Ion> AMD64 is made by AMD
[22:18] <thewanderer1> Quantum_Ion: no
[22:18] <maco> Quantum_Ion: amd64 is an architecture
[22:18] <Quantum_Ion> ATOM is made by Intel
[22:18] <k23> Zol, they are threads i guess
[22:18] <maco> Quantum_Ion: intel licenses it from amd
[22:18] <Quantum_Ion> maco, wtf
[22:18] <thewanderer1> Quantum_Ion: if you wanna talk about that, feel free to join #debian-offtopic
[22:18] <thewanderer1> it's a good place to chat, really
[22:18] <maco> Quantum_Ion: intel's own 64bit architecute (itanium) is not backwards compatible with ia32, so 32bit OSes cant run on it, which means it never even got out the gate
[22:18] <Quantum_Ion> maco, thanks for the info
[22:19] <sarah32> can we talk on debian-offtopic about children marriage familly problems etc ?
[22:19] <Slart> Zol: this looks like it could provide some info http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=556272
[22:19] <sarah32> thewanderer1, ???
[22:19] <bob_>
[22:19] <thewanderer1> sarah32: there are some channel guidelines I believe - that fits better in private conversations or #defocus
[22:19] <voxyn> Hello guys
[22:19] <sarah32> :)
[22:20] <SqRt7744> does anyone know how to go about finding the cause of a hard lockup when I try to suspend? I'm thinking along the lines of remote debugging, but maybe there is a simpler way...
[22:20] <Slart> batbrat: I haven't really found anything.. as far as I can tell the opengl development headers should come from the ATI package
[22:20] <batbrat> Slart: They do come with the ATI package
[22:21] <batbrat> They get installed in /usr/include/ATI/GL/
[22:21] <Slart> batbrat: and I can't really see a reason for them not being used by the sources for glut
[22:21] <batbrat> Well
[22:21] <winterweaver> I need to install some packages, but it fails because I previously installed docky, and now have the ricotz ppa packages conflicting with the default packages. See error here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1553537
[22:21] <batbrat> Glut searches for them in GL/
[22:21] <MIMI> oi
[22:21] <batbrat> Not ATI/GL/ ...
[22:21] <ZykoticK9> SqRt7744, be sure to see if you can find anything at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu for lockup issues like that, search for similar hardware etc.  good luck man.
[22:22] <Slart> batbrat: tried creating symlinks?
[22:22] <batbrat> The problem is irritating. I don't really think I should copy the GL folder out to /usr/include/
[22:22] <batbrat> Hmmm
[22:22] <MIMI> oi
[22:22] <MIMI> oi
[22:22] <Victor_T> godd afternoon every body
[22:22] <batbrat> Do oyu mean symlink to GL in the include directory.
[22:22] <Slart> batbrat: nope.. I would be surprised if you had to do that too.. but it might be a quick way to make things work
[22:22] <Slart> batbrat: yes
[22:22] <SqRt7744> ...no kernel debugging experience whatsoever.
[22:22] <Victor_T> i am having some problems with a printer usung samba
[22:22] <SqRt7744> ZykoticK9: already posted the bug there, others are affected, but I think if I could debug the responsible module myself, I may be able to fix the error. Trouble is I don't really know where to start.
[22:22] <Slart> batbrat: or just copy them.. it's not like those files are huge
[22:23] <Victor_T> yesterday was working fine but today not :S
[22:23] <batbrat> I thought of that. I don't know if that is a safe thing to do though
[22:23] <batbrat> Slart: Have you done this kind of thing before?
[22:23] <ZykoticK9> SqRt7744, nor I - good luck man.
[22:23] <Victor_T> i am using a epson stylus tx-105
[22:23] <headkase314> batbrat, would a symlink be better so that when you install a later version you don't have to recopy the newer headers?
[22:23] <SqRt7744> any kernel debuggers here per chance?  (thanks anyway ZykoticK9 )
[22:24] <Slart> batbrat: I've never had problems with gl headers missing
[22:24] <MIMI> oi
[22:24] <ToStItOs> Where can I get support for usbmodeswitch
[22:24] <batbrat> Slart: Ok
[22:24] <cesc> when I edit a text file with nano and want to save the changes it says is ^O to WriteOut I press CTRL-O but it does nothing.
[22:24] <thewanderer1> !br | MIMI
[22:25] <thewanderer1> cesc, are you working through PuTTY?
[22:25] <batbrat> Slart: Thanks for helping. I'm going to dig around a bit. I'll symlink if I cannot find any alternative in another thirty minutes.
[22:25] <headkase314> cesc, when you press ctrl+o you get at the bottom left a file name.  Press enter to accept the filename then ctrl+x to exit
[22:25] <Slart> batbrat: you're welcome.. I hope you succeed in some way =)
[22:25] <headkase314> cesc, at least that's how nano should work
[22:26] <cesc> headkase314 when I press Ctrl+O nothing happens at the bottom... to enter a filename.
[22:26] <thewanderer1> cesc, does Ctrl+x work for you?
[22:26] <cesc> no nothing happens.
[22:26] <cesc> is bizarre.
[22:27] <ToStItOs> Is there a site or channel for usbmodeswitch
[22:27] <headkase314> cesc, your not on a laptop keyboard and have number keys locked on instead of letters?  Shot in the dark..
[22:27] <cesc> no
[22:27] <aeon-ltd> cesc: also its o not zero
[22:27] <cesc> I have edited sources.list putting deb http://repo.offensive-security.com/dist/bt4 binary/ at the bottom line
[22:27] <headkase314> cesc, do you need a console editor or could you use something friendlier like gedit?
[22:28] <cesc> I want to save the file.
[22:28] <Victor_T> hi
[22:28] <aeon-ltd> cesc: opened using sudo?
[22:28] <cesc> no I typed nano source.list
[22:28] <headkase314> cesc, that's why need a sudo nano
[22:28] <cesc> ok
[22:28] <aeon-ltd> cesc: if this is the apt sources list you need sudo
[22:28] <Victor_T> i try reinstall the app of gnome, samba and the driver and i can not make that the printer make its job
[22:28] <Victor_T> please help :(
[22:29] <Victor_T> i try reinstalling cups to
[22:29] <batbrat> Slart: I'll let you know if I find a good answer.
[22:30] <thewanderer1> is there an option to load Ubuntu to RAM from the liveCD? (actually LiveUSB, making it via unetbootin right now)
[22:30] <laura_> #dbz-the-next-level
[22:30] <m_a_r_k> hi, i need some help upgrading Apache2 on Ubuntu - is this the right channel to ask?
[22:30] <headkase314> cesc, everyone, are you heading into rough territory putting backtrack repositories into xubuntu?
[22:30] <headkase314> cesc, you may end up needing to reinstall if it all goes south.
[22:31] <thewanderer1> cesc, use apt-pinning to avoid breakage.
[22:31] <cesc> someone said to me if I added this repository I would get the drivers for RTL8187 automatically
[22:31] <thewanderer1> cesc, yes, but you need to know what you are doing if you want to do security research
[22:31] <IdleOne> headkase314: not a good idea to mix repos, besides the fact that we don't support backtrack.
[22:31] <thewanderer1> (for the rest, there's Mac...)
[22:32] <cesc> ok I'll remove it
[22:32] <headkase314> cesc, what worries me is that it is a different distribution.  That's woogie territory - see IdleOne just posted
[22:32] <doctorZeus> I've ran into an issue with samba: when I share a folder out, it only shares that folder, so all of the sub folders are not accessible.  I've looked all around trying to find a way to tell samba to propagate/inherit permissions.  Any ran into this?
[22:33] <Victor_T> i am go to ask again
[22:33] <thewanderer1> can I boot Ubuntu to RAM?
[22:34] <doctorZeus> I'm talking a lot of folders..actually looking at writing a chmod script that grants read to sambausers but I find it hard to believe there is not an easy way to tell samba to propagate folder permissions
[22:34] <Victor_T> i am trying to share my epson tx105 from a windows machine
[22:34] <headkase314> cesc, since the adapter works fine with Ubuntu 10.04 (and is such a pain with Xubuntu 10.04) what about installing Ubuntu 10.04 on that machine too?  Or in other words, why do you need Xubuntu over Ubuntu?
[22:34] <thewanderer1> I want to load Ubuntu to RAM so that I can replace the medium (pendrive)
[22:34] <Victor_T> i can not get access from the assistent program
[22:34] <thewanderer1> doctorZeus: you might be doing it wrong
[22:34] <cesc> I need it because that PC is a pentium III with only 128 Mb ram, vga 16 Mb and 20 Gb HD
[22:35] <headkase314> cesc, or install Ubuntu 10.04 then apt-get install xubuntu-desktop as an extra package?
[22:35] <Victor_T> because the button firts not work
[22:35] <headkase314> cesc, Aah, that makes sense.
[22:35] <doctorZeus> thwanderer1: definitely possible, this is my first go at smb.  What I've done is install samba, change the workgroup name in smb.conf, restart the service and then right-click on the folder(s) I want to share.  Problem is, it only shares THAT folder.  There are 72 other folders I want to share that are inside the one I already shared
[22:36] <headkase314> Lucid Lynx has a minimum of 256MB of RAM a search tells me.
[22:36] <cesc> I was said that hitting the TAB key I would be able to scroll through nicknames when answering to someone on IRC.. but it doesn't work..
[22:36] <doctorZeus> even if I wanted to manually share each folder it shares out each individual folder making the network places of windows look crazy
[22:36] <cesc> I use Xchat irc.
[22:36] <thewanderer1> doctorZeus: do you know that it is a permisison problem, or just guessing?
[22:37] <ToStItOs> Is anyone familiar with usbmodeswitch
[22:37] <thewanderer1> doctorZeus: see /etc/samba/smb.conf for the list of shares that it generates
[22:37] <thewanderer1> you're probably better off using that than clicking your way through
[22:37] <doctorZeus> thewanderer1: when I grant each folder permission it works so yes I believe it is a permission problem.. let me see what that file looks like at the moment
[22:37] <thewanderer1> doctorZeus: http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions
[22:37] <cesc> if you want to answer to someone in particular in the channel do you have to write the name every time or there is a better way to do it?
[22:38] <thewanderer1> doctorZeus: that howto includes a section on Default ACL which can be used for permission inheriting
[22:38] <ZykoticK9> !tab > cesc
[22:39] <cesc> oh I see nice feature...
[22:39] <headkase314> cesc, here is a list of low-resource Linux distributions -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini_Linux  If you're willing to experiment...
[22:39] <jgcampbell300> can anyone here recommend a piece of software that protects my privacy when messing around on the internet
[22:40] <doctorZeus> thwanderer1 I was just about to come back and say looks like I need to go work on setting up ACL..  hopefully I can get it going that way. thanks
[22:40] <cesc> I was hitting the tab key without writting any letter first....
[22:40] <cesc> thanks headkase314
[22:40] <Tonus> jgcampbell300, tor button extension for firefox.
[22:40] <headkase314> cesc, you're welcome.
[22:41] <ToStItOs> I need help with usbmodeswitch????
[22:41] <jgcampbell300> i would like to find something to protect my info when surfing, connecting to p2p, or anything else
[22:41] <sadstoner> peerblock
[22:41] <EvilToaster> Why does apache2 not start at bootup?
[22:41] <ZykoticK9> ToStItOs, is that even in the ubuntu repo?
[22:41] <marcelo> ubuntu español
[22:41] <muelli> !details | ToStItOs
[22:41] <jgcampbell300> i thought peerblock was only for windows
[22:41] <cesc> headkase314, the think is that xubuntu is nice and on this pentium III is still working well.
[22:42] <thewanderer1> jgcampbell300: try tor
[22:42] <marcelo> ubuntu en español???
[22:42] <IdleOne> !es
[22:42] <thewanderer1> jgcampbell300: tor will not help you with p2p, though, unless you want poor bandwidth
[22:42] <Dug__> Can someone tell me how i can add "Gnome Power Manager applet back to my panel please ? :s i acciently removed the battery icon displaying my battery power and it doesnt seem to be in the list for "Add to panel"
[22:43] <jgcampbell300> hmm poor bandwith ... how much does it take away
[22:43] <Dug__> *accidently
[22:43] <ToStItOs> Its not. I have a Cellular franklin u210 usb modem and googling I came upon a site that really is not very explanatory to me
[22:43] <headkase314> cesc, I hope you can get that adapter working so you can stick with Xubuntu - that would be the best outcome.
[22:43] <muelli> Dug__: no such applet exists anymore AFAIK. Run   gnome-power-preferences
[22:44] <ToStItOs> From my understand usbmodeswitch is suppose to turn the modem into a serial so linux can recognize
[22:44] <Dug__> hmm howcome i had the applet just ? :s it was displaying my battery charge in %
[22:45] <headkase314> Dug__, is it an indicator?  Try adding a indicator widget to your panel.
[22:45] <Dug__> ok ill try that
[22:45] <ZykoticK9> Dug__, System / Preferences / Power Management - General tab ;)
[22:45] <ToStItOs> Problem is I have usbmodeswitch installed but the modem is still recognized as a storage device
[22:45] <Dug__> ahh was an indicator Thanks headkase314
[22:45] <Jordan_U> jgcampbell300: Please do not use tor for p2p, you will get terrible speeds but the bandwidth you use will make it harder for people who legitimately need the service.
[22:45] <thewanderer1> ToStItOs: then it means your modem device id is not supported
[22:45] <muelli> ToStItOs: you mihgt need newer rulesets :-/ Try researching which versino ofosbmodeswitch is supposed to support your device.
[22:45] <headkase314> Dug__, you're welcome.
[22:46] <Dug__> although one question if no one minds, i think it was ubuntu 9.10 it used to display the time remaining of my battery life and time remaining for it to fully charge
[22:46] <Dug__> howcome with 10.04 it only displays the charge level in % and no estimated times ?
[22:47] <muelli> Dug__: try. That's one of the deprecations of GNOME IMHO.
[22:47] <cesc> headkase314, I will wait until janisozaur comes back because he helped me to install drivers for realtek RTL8187L when I was having errors compiling it. But I think maybe is the wrong driver and I need RTL8187 only... I was trying to compile it but I got errors too... so janisozaur is not here at the mo.
[22:47] <ToStItOs> thewanderer1, Well whats strange is on the manufacture website same model linux is supported so something is not making sense
[22:47] <Dug__> meaning it isnt supported anymore ?
[22:47] <ubuntu-usr> does anyone know easy tool for remaster ubuntu live cd iso except ubuntu customization kit? i'm don't like web services as reconstructor.com
[22:47] <ToStItOs> muelli, will give that a try
[22:47] <headkase314> cesc, if I knew where to start I'd be right there - I've enough experience configuring general desktop stuff but when it comes to the hardware itself I'm not the best right now :(
[22:48] <Dug__> is there anything i can add to ubuntu 10.04 for estimated battery time left and time till charged ?
[22:48] <cesc> headkase314, janisozaur was really a master dealing with that.
[22:49] <headkase314> cesc, yes.  Don't forget to recap your situation every 5 - 10 minutes: you never know who can come online and also help too!
[22:49] <m_a_r_k> Hi, I'm running Gutsy and can't apply the latest Apache2 updates - all other updates are installed - when I get to apache2-mpm-prefork update, apt complains that apache2.2-common is the wrong version (2.2.4-3ubuntu0.1) and that I need to have 2.2.4-3ubuntu0.2 - but apache2.2-common won't install - so I wind up having 3 packages that won't update: apache2-mpm-prefork, apache2.2-common, and apache2-prefork-dev - anyone know how to fix
[22:49] <m_a_r_k>  this problem?
[22:49] <Dug__> or is there no tool like this anymore ?
[22:50] <Jordan_U> Dug__: I'm pretty sure that the default battery applet will tell you that, though I'm not currently on a laptop so I can't confirm.
[22:50] <Dug__> mine only shows me the charge level in %
[22:50] <Dug__> no estimated remaining time or anything :(
[22:50] <ZykoticK9> Dug__, on my EEE default 10.04 install that's exactly what it shows.  "Laptop battery 1 hour 10 minutes until charged" when i click on the icon
[22:51] <marcelo> saben el canal de ubuntu en español?
[22:51] <cesc> headkase314, yes you are right.
[22:51] <Jordan_U> Dug__: Have you tried right clicking the applet to see if there is way to change the preferences?
[22:51] <Jordan_U> !es | marcelo
[22:51] <EvilToaster> Apache2 does not start at boot. i installed with apt-get install and checked chkconf and scripts. but it still does not start by it self.
[22:51] <Dug__> yeah
[22:51] <headkase314> cesc, ;) Good luck.  Away for five minutes..
[22:51] <Dug__> i click on preferences
[22:51] <Dug__> but no option for displaying remaining time etc
[22:51] <ZykoticK9> Dug__, i actually don't see anything in Preferences that seems to apply
[22:52] <Dug__> me neither :( i cant understand why 9.10 used to display estimated remaining time but 10.04 wont for me (
[22:52] <ZykoticK9> Dug__, i actually think in a while those numbers will start showing up automatically on your system as well (if this is a fresh install)
[22:53] <Dug__> this is a fresh install
[22:53] <Dug__> only installed it yesterday and been running on mains power most of the time
[22:53] <EvilToaster> Apache2 does not start at boot. i installed with apt-get install and checked chkconf and scripts. but it still does not start by it self. im running 10.04.
[22:54] <ZykoticK9> Dug__, i imagine it really depends on the acpi/power management support on the hardware that is the biggest factor.  hope it works for ya.
[22:54] <Dug__> i have to give the "statistics" time to record enough data for it start being able to estimate my remaining time and charge time ?
[22:54] <Dug__> ok
[22:55] <ubuntu-usr> in my ubuntu customization kit i can't open synaptic. i have mounted clean partition with write and read mode as application pointed me. what's wrong?
[22:55] <Andre_Hatje> pessoal, eu instalei o ubuntu studio, formatei o PC e reinstalei o ubuntu 10.04 lts, so que na instalação do studio havia optado por criptografar os arquivos, agora preciso descriptografar a pasta, alguem ai sabe como se faz isso?
[22:56] <ubuntu-usr> i don't see such option as i saw on screenshots http://s6.tinypic.com/2yngmsm.jpg
[22:56] <Dug__> think ill have to use my laptop a bit more an let it run low without the mains power then and hopefully it will soon start to calculate the time remaining
[22:56] <Ober7> EvilToaster: i use a program called rcconf to manage all my start up programs, maybe give it a try? u can always apt-get remove it if it doesnt help
[22:57] <Jordan_U> !pt | Andre_Hatje
[22:59] <opij> is it true that Lubuntu will be an official flavor in 10.10?
[22:59] <ubuntu-usr> moreover when i type in terminal uck-gui, terminal still blank (nothing is logged) and only gui window appears. of course i can step by step further but in the end i can't run synaptic or manage anyhow packages
[23:00] <Dug__> sorry lots of noob questions from me today lol >.< are their any tools or programs i can download to help improve power management when my laptop is running of a battery
[23:00] <IdleOne> What do I need to install to get USB support in VirtualBox?
[23:00] <Dug__> becuase my battery life seems to be shorter than when it was running windows XP
[23:01] <mneptok> IdleOne: VBox guest extensions
[23:01] <opij> anyone?
[23:01] <EvilToaster> Ober7, does not help me much :S
[23:01] <IdleOne> mnemon: thanks, could remember the name
[23:01] <IdleOne> couldn't either
[23:01] <naruto> ya
[23:01] <naruto> first time on IRC chat
[23:01] <mneptok> IdleOne: you can't remember mine, either :P
[23:01] <IdleOne> heh yeah
[23:01] <aeon-ltd> Dug__: i've got nothing to tell you whats taking so much power, but you could just watch what you run and get rid of unneccessary processes
[23:01] <naruto> any c++ programmers here?
[23:02] <aeon-ltd> naruto: ask in #c
[23:02] <EvilToaster> naruto, depends :)
[23:02] <Dug__> ok ill take a look at them
[23:02] <Dug__> thanks for all the help today any guys ;D
[23:02] <opij> is it true that Lubuntu will be an official flavor in 10.10?
[23:02] <Dug__> *anyway
[23:02] <naruto> hmmm ive been bored at work lately
[23:03] <xissburg> C++
[23:03] <naruto> my manager s making me develop stupid forms in PHP and mysql
[23:03] <naruto> i need a break...
[23:03] <Dug__> i need to log now but thanks for the info today guys :)
[23:03] <naruto> so i was wondering if any one want to get started on some interesting projects
[23:03] <jimmyz> anyone help me boot ubuntu from usb key?
[23:03] <erUSUL> !usb
[23:04] <jimmyz> ty
[23:04] <Andre_Hatje> I installed ubuntu studio, formatted the PC and reinstalled ubuntu 10:04 lts, so that the installation of the studio has chosen to encrypt the files, now I need to decrypt the folder, someone here knows how to do it?
[23:04] <dwangoAC> Ubuntu 10.04 - when in X, Shift+Function keys swithces to console instead of Ctrl+Alt+Function; any idea to set it to Ctrl+Alt+Function?
[23:04] <EvilToaster> jimmyz, lock at unetbootin
[23:04] <xissburg> ^
[23:04] <weez> does anyone know anything about seetin up a mailing list/newsletter?
[23:05] <naruto> any one played around with bazaar yet?
[23:05] <EvilToaster> Is it only me having problems with apache2 at boot? in 10.04? i can start it later but it never start at boot :S
[23:05] <IdleOne> mneptok: you recommend ose or  non free version?
[23:05] <jimmyz> i am trying pendrive linux EvilToaster
[23:06] <opij> is it true that Lubuntu will be an official flavor in 10.10?
[23:06] <xissburg> jimmyz: I successfully booted from pendrinve using unetbooting...pretty simple
[23:06] <aeon-ltd> opij: does it matter?
[23:06] <EvilToaster> jimmyz, ah okey
[23:06] <opij> aeon-ltd, _you_ don't matter.... unless you're staff.
[23:07] <sprockets2000> anyone played sc2 on ubuntu 64?
[23:07] <Oer> !theme | Oer
[23:07] <jimmyz> what file does teh bios look for on the usb key to boot from?
[23:07] <aeon-ltd> opij: dude i was just saying that nothing is different except decision on pkgs
[23:07] <opij> aeon-ltd, buzz off
[23:08] <aeon-ltd> opij: you be trollin'?
[23:08] <erUSUL> jimmyz: bios does not read any file
[23:08] <opij> does anyone know the answer to my question?
[23:08] <weez> does anyone have experience making an email newsletter?
[23:09] <jimmyz> oh? i'm just trying to figure if pendrivelinux successfully created a bootable key
[23:09] <jimmyz> or if something is wrong in my bios settings
[23:09] <mneptok> opij: please be polite
[23:09] <sprockets2000> just use unetbootin
[23:09] <sprockets2000> and see if it works
[23:09] <Ober7> < mneptok> opij: please be polite
[23:09] <opij> mneptok, sorry i was a little rude
[23:10] <opij> aeon-ltd, sorry i just have been trolled a lot lately
[23:10] <aeon-ltd> opij: its cool. :)
[23:11] <opij> aeon-ltd, the reason it matter's is because the ops will boot you from the IRC channels and  Forums unless its an official release
[23:11] <opij> matters*
[23:11] <mneptok> opij: not true. although you might get directed to the specific channel if the questions become too detailed.
[23:11] <AlbertoP> uhm?
[23:12] <opij> mnemon, are you an op?
[23:12] <AlbertoP> sorry, wrong channel :(
[23:12] <mneptok> opij: Mint, Crunchbang, and other derivatives are not supported in #u, but different flavors of Ubuntu can be.
[23:12] <mneptok> opij: nope :P
[23:13] <opij> mnemon, I've been told to go to another channel unless it comes on an official canonical live cd
[23:13] <dsnyders> Hi all!  When I log in there is a background picture.  Where is that stored?
[23:14] <mneptok> opij: you may be asked, depending on the traffic. and ignoring op requests, regardless of what you use, is going to get you banned.
[23:14] <mneptok> opij: and if theonly thing #u supported was officially supported canonical stuff, Xubuntu would not be supported here.
[23:15] <mneptok> (Canonical does not provide commercial support for Xubuntu)
[23:15] <doctorZeus> I just hit the X to (what I thought was) cancel a file "move", and the files that did move are no longer in the original folder and theres no trace of it at the source destination
[23:15] <doctorZeus> is that expected behavior?
[23:15] <So_Confused> Hello room... Does anyone here know how to start/have an encrypted chat using Pidgin? I dl'd the otr Plugin from Software Center, but see no options to start one.
[23:16] <opij> mneptok, sorry i meant that it has to be an official derivative of ubuntu
[23:16] <opij> not canonical
[23:17] <opij> by the way mneptok, canonical does support xubuntu
[23:17] <Jordan_U> opij: If it uses only official Ubuntu repositories (including community supported universe), which as far as I know lubuntu does, then it can be supported here. But there may be better channels to ask in like #lubuntu.
[23:18] <WMP> hi, why all packages php5-fpm use old config?
[23:18] <opij> Jordan_U, are you an op?
[23:18] <Jordan_U> opij: No.
[23:18] <IdleOne> opij: what does being an op have to do with anything?
[23:19] <IdleOne> We are all equal here, helping and asking for help
[23:19] <DasEi> could someone do an nmap -A on <IP_ADDRESS>  (my host)  and pastebin the output ?
[23:19] <opij> IdleOne, because i've been told WAAAY too many times untrue things by people that dont know what they're talking about
[23:19] <Jordan_U> opij: xubuntu-desktop is in universe rather than main, which normally means that it is not supported by Canonical.
[23:20] <IdleOne> opij: if and when lubuntu becomes an official flavor is up to Canonical, you can ask in #lubuntu if they have more info on that
[23:20] <opij> Jordan_U, check the bottom of http://www.xubuntu.org/
[23:21] <edugonch> Hello, do you know a good ftp client that allows me share files between 2 servers and not the localhost?
[23:21] <edugonch> thanks
[23:21] <opij> oh i see
[23:21] <Jordan_U> opij: Are you refering to "© 2008 Canonical Ltd. Xubuntu and Canonical are registered trademarks of Canonical Ltd." ? That's far from a statement that they provide commercial support services.
[23:22] <opij> it is not supported by canonical
[23:22] <opij> thats old
[23:22] <opij> didnt notice the 2008
[23:22] <dwangoAC> edugonch: I can't think of a client that can do that, actually...  Interesting problem.
[23:22] <edugonch> Nautilus does, but it is soooooooooooo slowwwwww
[23:22] <dwangoAC> edugonch: Perhaps you could hack together a script to do what you wanted, maybe using named pipes... hmm
[23:22] <edugonch> 139 hours
[23:22] <dwangoAC> edugonch: Yeah, it's slow because it's going server -> client -> server
[23:23] <erUSUL> edugonch: gui ? command line ?
[23:23] <dwangoAC> edugonch: Now that I say that, there's no way to do what you want unless you control one of the servers
[23:23] <opij> Jordan_U, they are /claiming/ that it will be official in #lubuntu, but I want to hear from an op whether it's true or not. I cant seem to find anything on google.
[23:23] <dwangoAC> edugonch: I'm assuming you want to go from one server to another directly which means you'd have to have the ability to log in to one server, act as a client, and upload the file to the other from there
, GUI will be better
[23:24] <IdleOne> opij: the ops team handles IRC issues. They have nothing to do with Canonical
[23:24] <erUSUL> dwangoAC: edugonch there are servers that support server to server transfer dunno if that is the case ...
[23:24] <erUSUL> edugonch: filezilla; gftp
[23:24] <opij> IdleOne, then how do they know when to kick someone out when someone isn't talking about a canonical supported distro?
[23:24] <dsnyders> Hi all!  When I log in there is a background picture.  Where is that stored?  I want to use it for my desktop.
; yes, I'm changing server, so I don't see the necesity of get the files to my computer and then upload them again
[23:24] <IdleOne> opij: you mean like now?
[23:25] <edugonch> filezilla does not support multiple servers
[23:25] <IdleOne> opij: see !guidelines and !coc for what the ops base the decision to ban on
[23:25] <opij> IdleOne, im trying to find out if it's _Going_ to be supported
[23:25] <IdleOne> opij: I am telling you WE don't know
[23:25] <opij> IdleOne, who is "WE"
[23:25] <bobby0> Enter text here...any nice girl wnt to chat
[23:26] <maco> bobby0: wrong plac
[23:26] <maco> *place
[23:26] <IdleOne> everybody in here who does not work for Canonical
[23:26] <paulmain> I just installed lucid, and have no sound.  It worked in Gutsy.  Also, I'm stuck at a resolution of 800x600.  ANyone?
[23:26] <dwangoAC> edugonch: So it sounds like you have access to one of the FTP servers at the very least, right?
[23:26] <maco> bobby0: this channel is for ubuntu tech support, not picking up dates
[23:26] <bobby0> hi maco
[23:26] <dwangoAC> edugonch: If so, do you have to use FTP protocol?  Perhaps another protocol would be better suited for what you're trying to do.
[23:26] <Jordan_U> opij: Like I stated before, what Canonical supports and what the community (i.e. this channel) support are not the same.
[23:26] <edugonch> I have access to both
[23:26] <dwangoAC> maco: That... was very funny. :)
[23:26] <kita4ever> Hello
[23:27] <maco> dwangoAC: happens far too often
[23:27] <maco> dwangoAC: thats the second ive seen today
[23:27] <edugonch> Well, I'll try, and do you know a good and fancy command line client?
[23:27] <opij> Jordan_U, I'm just sick of ops asking me to shut up about distros that have tiny channels
[23:27] <dwangoAC> maco: Still, picking up dates? :)
[23:27] <kita4ever> Just use default
[23:27] <dwangoAC> edugonch: Well, since you have access to both servers there are a lot of options available -
[23:28] <Autoclesis> anyone sync samsa clip with rhythmbox?
[23:28] <dwangoAC> edugonch: Are both servers running Ubuntu (or at least Linux)?
[23:28] <IdleOne> opij: can you please move this discussion to #ubuntu-offtopic as it is not  Ubuntu tech support related.
[23:28] <edugonch> Yes, using CentOs
[23:29] <dwangoAC> edugonch: Ugh - RPM based (such a dirty thing to say here :).  OK, so you're using CentOS on both servers?
[23:29] <dwangoAC> edugonch: And if I understand you correctly, your client is Ubuntu, correct?
[23:29] <erUSUL> edugonch: good and fancy command line client --> lftp ( scriptable )
[23:29] <edugonch> yes
[23:29] <Autoclesis> rhythmbox won't show songs to import
[23:29] <dwangoAC> edugonch: And finally, you want to use a GUI to move the files around, right?
[23:30] <edugonch> Yes
[23:30] <dwangoAC> edugonch: So here's a very creative solution to your problem that lets you do this with a GUI - it's a little .. er.. controversial :)
[23:30] <dwangoAC> edugonch: First, on one of your CentOS servers install neatx - http://code.google.com/p/neatx/
[23:31] <dwangoAC> edugonch: Then on your Ubuntu client install the NX Client, availabe at http://www.nomachine.com
[23:31] <dwangoAC> edugonch: Then use the NX client to conenct to the CentOS server to get full access to its graphical GUI
[23:31] <dwangoAC> edugonch: From there, use whatever GUI FTP client you like to upload files to the second server
[23:32] <dwangoAC> edugonch: Like I say, it's a bit unorthodox but it allows you to fully access the server and do a server to server copy without the file being sent through your Ubuntu client.
[23:32] <edugonch> ummmm, intersting, I'll try it, but I don't know if my server have GUI installed
[23:32] <dwangoAC> edugonch: You don't have to use neatx as there's a fully featured .RPM file for CentOS on http://www.nomachine.com's website but I prefer to use open source when I can.
[23:32] <dwangoAC> edugonch: Well, you can always install a desktop environment :)
[23:33] <dwangoAC> edugonch: But, installing a GUI on an RPM distro isn't something I can help you with
[23:33] <edugonch> Yes, at least the basic
[23:33] <dwangoAC> edugonch: Did all of that make sense?  I know it wasn't at all the direction you were thinking about going but it'd definitely work
[23:34] <dwangoAC> Question of my own, Ubuntu 10.04 - when in X, Shift+Function keys swithces to console instead of Ctrl+Alt+Function; any idea to set it to Ctrl+Alt+Function?
[23:34] <dwangoAC> Google is a wreck when looking for related keywords on that topic. :)
[23:35] <Ober7> dwangoAC: maybe i havent been following but why not just fxp?
[23:36] <dwangoAC> Ober7: He wants to do this through a GUI
, it is a good idea, I'll try it
[23:37] <dwangoAC> Ober7: Plus his servers are both CentOS, so if he wants to do that he probably wants to ask in a different channel. :)
[23:37] <Ober7> dwangoAC: i am sure there are gui ftp cients supporting fxp
[23:37] <augdawg> how can i get the mail daemon to run in the background for evolution?
[23:37] <ramontayag> how do you take a screenshot with the right-click menu open?
[23:37] <Ober7> its the ftp servers im worried about
[23:38] <dwangoAC> Ober7: You're right, it looks like a couple of clients do now that I look but I have no idea how he'd configure CentOS's FTP server to do that
[23:38] <Ober7> pureftpd does it probably vsftpd
[23:39] <aeon-ltd> ramontayag: scrot -d 3 (in terminal) or prtsc on keyboard
[23:39] <dwangoAC> ramontayag: Interesting - you're right, you can't do it by pressing alt+printscreen with the right-click menu open
[23:39] <dsnyders> Hi all!  When I log in there is a background picture.  Where is that stored?  I want to use it for my desktop.
[23:39] <dwangoAC> ramontayag: However, if you open the Take Screenshot app you can set a delay and then take the screenshot
[23:39] <Rabbitbunny> Is there a 'gksudo nautalus' type command I can run?
[23:39] <ramontayag> dwangoAC, a delay? oh cool let me try that
[23:40] <duli> what package provides Crypt_Blowfish (pear php)?
[23:40] <ramontayag> dwangoAC, thanks it worked!
[23:40] <dwangoAC> ramontayag: I do that kind of delayed screenshot in beta testing all the time but I've never had the right-click menu problem before :)
[23:40] <dwangoAC> ramontayag: Glad I could help
[23:43] <bandar> hi
[23:43] <Rabbitbunny> Is there a 'gksudo nautalus' type command I can run?
[23:43] <maco> Rabbitbunny: yep, but it helps to spell nautilus right ;-)
[23:44] <erUSUL> Rabbitbunny: what are you tryin to do ?
[23:45] <Rabbitbunny> maco: oh. Well, that explains it. Thanks.
[23:45] <Rabbitbunny> erUSUL: bad things. thing which may break my warranty.
[23:46] <erUSUL> Rabbitbunny: i knew it ;P handle with care
[23:47] <glassresistor> im about to move an install of ubuntu from a ssd with ext2 to a hhd with ext4, can i boot from a cd and use cp with options to copy hidden files ect  and have it work
[23:48] <glassresistor> id probably just use ddrescue but i want to change the file system
[23:48]  * winexmms_ is listening to: .chicagoisthebirthplace - ANALOG DIALOG - Detroit Debris - (0:22/1:47)
[23:48] <cesc> which app do you guys use to subscribe to podcasts?
[23:48] <erUSUL> glassresistor: should work; maybe pax or tar are faster? also you will have to reinstal grub
[23:48] <aeon-ltd> cesc: i hear miro is quite good
[23:48] <Jordan_U> glassresistor: You can do an in place "upgrade" from ext2 to ext3/4.
[23:48] <erUSUL> glassresistor: and tweak /etc/fstab to match the new uuid's
[23:49] <erUSUL> winexmms_: disable that script here please
[23:49] <cesc> thanks aeon-ltd
[23:49] <Jordan_U> glassresistor: The only downside is that you will only be using ext4 features like extents with newly written files (ext3 is just ext2+journaling so you'll get all of ext3's "features" immediately).
[23:49] <glassresistor> erUSUL: how would i install just grub?
[23:50] <erUSUL> glassresistor: use the instruction on how to recover grub after installing windows
[23:50] <erUSUL> !grub2
[23:51] <glassresistor> erUSUL: thanks
[23:52] <dsnyders> Hi all!  When I log in there is a background picture.  Where is that stored?  I want to use it for my desktop.
[23:52] <glassresistor> changing the fstab file from a livecd should work
[23:52] <erUSUL> glassresistor: yes
[23:52] <glassresistor> great never bootstraped anything but gentoo b4
[23:52] <aeon-ltd> dsnyders: you mean gdm the login manager?#
[23:53] <uman> what is the difference between the packages flashplugin, flashplugin-installer, and flashplugin-nonfree?
[23:53] <dsnyders> aeon-ltd, Yes, I believe so.
[23:53] <uman> I don't care about software freedom issues; I just want flash to work in Firefox as stably and reliably as possible; which should I install?
[23:53] <uman> by the way, I am using 64-bit Ubuntu 10.04
[23:54] <glassresistor> uman: i don't think the are different actually
[23:54] <aeon-ltd> dsnyders: look in /usr/share/ or /usr/share/gdm, i think the gdm themes are stored there
[23:55] <dsnyders> aeon-ltd, I've been looking, but I do not know what the file is called.  There are 300+ folders in /usr/share and /usr/share/gdm doesn't seem to have any pictures in it.
[23:56] <Quaxir_> Does anyone know bandwith meter for linux which would work in console?
[23:56] <muellisoft> Quaxir: maybe ntop.
[23:56] <trism> dsnyders: /usr/share/backgrounds/warty-final-ubuntu.png is probably the background you mean, which is oddly not a png
[23:56] <glassresistor> Quaxir: bwn-ng
[23:56] <glassresistor> its in apt
[23:56] <[thor]> Quaxir: byobu contains a bandwidth meter
[23:56] <glassresistor> [thor]: really? were
[23:56] <aeon-ltd> dsnyders: look in /usr/share/gdm/themes
[23:57] <[thor]> glassresistor: one of the options./. errr... checking
[23:57] <Snakker> Any Arch Linux users here?
[23:57] <aeon-ltd> Snakker: yeah
[23:57] <erUSUL> Snakker: wrong channel ?
[23:57] <Quaxir> ookkey, thanks for you 3 :D. Now I just should find out which one is best :P
[23:57] <Snakker> Nah, not wrong channel.
[23:57] <glassresistor> [thor]: whats the cnrl-a command for menu?
[23:57] <Snakker> I know where the #archlinux channel is...it's just I couldn't really find any help there. :/
[23:58] <[thor]> glassresistor: F9 --> Status Notifications --> enbable "network"
[23:58] <utopia> hey
[23:58] <dsnyders> trism, good call.  That's what I was looking for.  /usr/share/backgrounds/mistymorning.jpg
[23:58] <glassresistor> [thor]: i have the function keys turned off cause they class with htop
[23:58] <glassresistor> [thor]: there is also a screen stye command buti  forgot the key
[23:58] <[thor]> glass resistor: dunno the ctrl command, sorry
[23:59] <Quaxir> glassresistor, did you mean bwm-ng? (there's no bwn-ng in apt :S)
[23:59] <dsnyders> aeon-ltd, There is no /usr/share/gdm/themes folder.