[00:00] <Roasted> gosh why is deja dup so nice
[00:00] <arand> !torrents
[00:00] <arand> Heh, that one needs to be updated :)
[00:02] <Roasted> 11.10 is in there though
[00:02] <arand> Though the links should be valid with name substitution, though I'm not sure if there are torrents fro later versions than beta2
[00:02] <Roasted> maybe I should stick to the cdimage site
[00:02] <Pici> We'll update the factoids once the release announcement has been made.
[00:03] <arand> Yeah http://torrent.ubuntu.com/releases/oneiric/beta-2/ is the only one available
[00:03] <arand> Pici: I thought they werer supposed to point at point releases in this channel..
[00:04] <Roasted> whats out now?
[00:04] <Roasted> RC? Beta 3?
[00:04] <Pici> arand: I don't think we have those setup
[00:04] <arand> Roasted: the beta2 is the last point before release, I think
[00:05] <Roasted> should be an RC...
[00:06] <sandra> On the upside Ubuntu 11.10 will be released on the 13th tomorrow
[00:06] <arand> Pici: Well, there is a torrent for beta2 there at least..
[00:06] <Roasted> oh
[00:06] <Roasted> it will?
[00:06] <Roasted> I thought it was the end of the month
[00:06] <Pici> Yes...
[00:06] <Pici> No...
[00:06] <Roasted> oh wow
[00:06] <sandra> Roasted, Yes
[00:06] <Roasted> I failed.
[00:06] <Pici> Yes
[00:06] <Roasted> lol
[00:06] <Pici> ;)
[00:07] <Roasted> does 11.10 beta + that upgrade/update command truly bring you up to speed as if you had installed 11.10 final release?
[00:07] <sandra> Roasted, So if you can wait until 13th tomorrow you can just download the final release.
[00:07] <arand> It's pretty quiet here for that time of the year, I must say...
[00:07] <Roasted> sandra, oh yeah, if these broken packages I'm fixing aren't the solution I'll just wait for it.
[00:07] <zmbmartin> I am not seeing wunderlist in the software center?
[00:08] <arand> Roasted: it should be, in theory, although there may always be bumps.
[00:09] <arand> !final | Roasted
[00:10] <astro73|mal> Ok, so during the GUI upgrade, X.org died. Caput. Dumped me to virt terms. Won't start. Now I have a half-upgraded system. Will running `aptitude upgrade` finish it up?
[00:12] <Roasted> woooooooooooooo
[00:12] <Roasted> <-- has audio
[00:12] <sandra> astro73, one can only hope.
[00:12] <Roasted> pink floyd, london, 1994, pulse concert. comfortably numb.
[00:12] <arand> astro73|mal: It will at least try to, to the best of it's ability.
[00:13] <sandra> Roasted, That's great :-)
[00:13] <Roasted> MAGIC is coming through my speakers at the moment
[00:13] <sandra> Roasted, What did you do  ?
[00:13] <astro73|mal> arand: So there's nothing else I have to worry about?
[00:13] <Roasted> sandra, fixed my broken packages with a sudo dpkg --configure -a. then ran sudo apt-get update and removed ~/.pulse/ and rebooted.
[00:13] <Roasted> not sure if I needed to remove .pulse but I decided to be safe and axe it quick
[00:14] <sandra> Roasted, I like pulseaudio keeps my skype program running smoothly and in tandem w/other audio programs.
[00:14] <Roasted> yeah. pulse audio was a bit of a disaster upon its start, but it sure is nice now
[00:15] <johnjohn101> will the new ubuntu be able to run on an 8 core processor?
[00:16] <NoelJB> johnjohn101, you got a bulldozer?
[00:16] <johnjohn101> just ordered this.... with mb and 8 gb memory.   http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=1308191&sku=A79-8150
[00:17] <sandra> johnjohn101, it runs on my i-7 processor just fine .
[00:17] <johnjohn101> wife wondring why i always have to be first
[00:18] <NoelJB> johnjohn101, yeah, that's the bulldozer
[00:19] <johnjohn101> can't wait....
[00:21] <astro73|mal> ok... X started, but when I attempt to login (unity and unity 2d), it just dumps me back at the login screen.
[00:22] <astro73|mal> And same with wmii
[00:27] <astro73|mal> arand, sandra: any advice?
[00:28] <arand> astro73|mal: I don't know I'm afraid.
[00:31] <astro73|mal> ok, what log do i check?
[00:33] <zmbmartin> I haven't had any updates for the past 2 to 3 days is that normal right now? I thought since the release date is fast approaching I would be getting more updates.
[00:34] <astro73|mal> Restarting lightdm doesn't help
[00:36] <bjsnider> zmbmartin, quite the opposite is true
[00:36] <bjsnider> they slow things down to create a final release cd that works
[00:36] <Chotaz> Is it stable to upgrade to 11.10 yet»
[00:37] <zmbmartin> bjsnider: ok so nothing to worry about.
[00:37] <johnjohn101> i love the new version.. everything works and is smooth
[00:37] <bjsnider> Chotaz, sure is
[00:37] <Chotaz> is it possible to upgrade without losing stuff?
[00:38] <zmbmartin> I read that wunderlist is in the software center I do not see it. Does anyone else?
[00:38] <bjsnider> Chotaz, sure is
[00:39] <Chotaz> bjsnider, want to guide me through it?
[00:39] <bjsnider> the bot can do that
[00:39] <bjsnider> !upgrade
[00:40] <astro73|mal> And rebooting doesn't help either.
[00:40] <zmbmartin> bjsnider: do you use the regular upgrade feature or do you reformat and install / with a seperate /home?
[00:41] <bjsnider> i have a separate home, and i upgrade normally without formatting
[00:41] <bjsnider> so i have my cake and eat it too
[00:41] <zmbmartin> and no problems?
[00:42] <zmbmartin> I have a seperate /home also. I have been using Arch for 6 years so newer to ubuntu
[00:42] <zmbmartin> I am use to the rolling release model
[00:42] <NoelJB> I have separate homes for each partition, but I link shared things such as Desktop from a common partition.
[00:43] <NoelJB> Different releases and distros keep incompatible data under ~, and sometimes you just need a clean install.
[00:44] <zmbmartin> I have just read mixed reviews on upgrading without reformatting.
[00:44] <bjsnider> it can be a bit of a skill if you use a lot of ppas
[00:44] <bjsnider> i had to do a lot of manual purging of packages afterwards
[00:44] <bjsnider> which a n00b might not be able to do
[00:48] <sandra> n00b that would be me lol
[00:50] <Chotaz> bjsnider, on my update manager there is no Upgrade button
[01:09] <astro73|mal> *headdesk* ~/.Xauthority had perms root:root 600
[01:11] <sandra> bjsinder, could you please tell me when the latest nvidia 285.05.09 will be posted to x-swat please. Thanks
[01:44] <sandra> b
[01:47] <sandra> NoelJB, do you know when the nvidia 285.05.09 driver will be uploaded to x-update ?
[01:51] <iWang> i set GRUB_DEFAULT=saved in /etc/default/grub then update grub.cfg. it doesn't work? anyone know why?
[01:52] <NoelJB> sandra, whenever bjsnider gets it there.  He thought it would be tonight.
[01:52] <jbicha> iWang: did you run sudo update-grub afterwards?
[01:53] <NoelJB> iWang, I've never gotten save default to work properly with GRUB 2.  As much as possibly, I've stuck with GRUB 1, since it actually works.
[01:53] <sandra> NoelJB, Thanks for the FYI :-)
[01:57] <urlin2u> NoelJB, that's funny, if grub2 is not working then you have a messed up setup.
[01:57] <iWang> jbicha: yeah,i run it!
[02:00] <iWang> Oh,i got it! there is another thing! GRUB_SAVEDEFAULT !!!!
[02:01] <johnjohn101> !release party
[02:02] <KM0201> !release-party > johnjohn101
[02:02] <NoelJB> urlin2u, that might be true.  grub2 works in general for me, just not the save default.
[02:03] <sandra> iWang, how did you get GRUB_SAVEFAULT to work ?
[02:04] <sandra> Grub 2 has been another thorn in my side too lol
[02:05] <urlin2u> you have to run update-grub after a default change to have it work.
[02:05] <sandra> urlin2u, Thanks for the FYI :-)
[02:05] <NoelJB> urlin2u, I'll probably stick with GRUB1 for my dedicated boot partition, but have it boot grub2 for newer installs (since each one has their own grub in their partition)
[02:06] <urlin2u> it is easy to miss that paret. :D
[02:06] <urlin2u> part*
[02:28] <SetiAmon> shucks
[02:42] <intangir> i have 2 monitors and i cant seem to get unity to work properly on 2nd screen
[02:43] <intangir> if i use twinview it works, but none of my games work, if i dont use twinview, unity wont use or detect my 2nd screen, its ON though. i can mouse over it, it just has no window manager or anything
[02:43] <sasy360> hey when it releases? 13th?
[02:44] <intangir> the unit page is dead..
[02:58] <bjsnider> sandra, the new driver is published
[02:59] <NoelJB> bjsnider, thanks :-)  Is there also going to be a matching nvidia-settings?
[02:59] <bjsnider> if you're on amd64 anyway. i386 is backed up awhile
[02:59] <bjsnider> nvidia-settings uploading now
[03:00] <NoelJB> bjsnider, ah, OK.  I see the driver, but I'll wait a bit for the pair.
[03:00] <sandra> bjsnider, Thank you for that important piece of FYI :-)
[03:05] <sandra> okay going to install bjsinder latest video driver upload :-)
[03:05] <sandra> I shall return
[03:08] <MTecknology> bjsnider: can you do me a favor?
[03:09] <bjsnider> does it involve a pound of flesh?
[03:09] <MTecknology> nope
[03:09] <MTecknology> du -hs /boot  and tell me the total size?
[03:09] <intangir> new driver? what latest driver
[03:09] <intangir> nvidia?
[03:09] <MTecknology> I have no system with a normal boot process and i'm trying to plan the size but have no idea :P
[03:09] <intangir> whats new about it? where do i get it, im also having alot of nvidia issues
[03:09] <NoelJB> MTecknology, du -hs /boot/
[03:09] <NoelJB> 30M	/boot/
[03:09] <intangir> i cant get my 2nd screen to work
[03:09] <bjsnider> 47M
[03:10] <MTecknology> thanks!
[03:10] <bjsnider> probably have a bunch of old kernels in there
[03:10] <MTecknology> so 100M will be more than enough and giving / the rest of the 4GB will be crazy plenty
[03:10] <NoelJB> bjsnider, yeah, I have three (3), you probably have more.
[03:10] <MTecknology> :D
[03:10] <NoelJB> I've got <IP_ADDRESS> and 12 -generic and 12-lowlatency
[03:10] <MTecknology> 12M	/boot
[03:11] <bjsnider> don't know if a separate partition is really necessary
[03:11] <MTecknology> that's with two kernels
[03:11] <SetiAmon> So any firm time when its out
[03:11] <MTecknology> SetiAmon: it's been decided, we're not privy to it, though
[03:11] <intangir> geez im running a huge update.. its taking forever
[03:12] <bjsnider> NoelJB, nvidia-settings build starting in 5 minutes
[03:12] <intangir> i thought those were closed source
[03:12] <intangir> they arent?
[03:12] <intangir> or is it just the driver itself?
[03:13] <intangir> can no one see what im typing?
[03:13] <bjsnider> right
[03:13] <bjsnider> nvidia-settings is on freedesktop.org
[03:13] <MTecknology> oh CRAP!
[03:13] <MTecknology> I just purged the wrong disk
[03:13] <intangir> i was having an issue with nvidia's config wizard saying: Failed to query NoScanout for screen 0
[03:14] <bjsnider> well you shouldn't have done that
[03:14] <NoelJB> MTecknology, I regularly make image backups on my drives so that I can restore in just such an emergency.
[03:16] <MTecknology> NoelJB: this is a new system, but because of the insane setup (apparently insane) grub is having a hissy fit.. i'm trying to make every single thing including the boot process redundant
[03:16] <MTecknology> NoelJB: so.. i get to do a lot of the setup post-
[03:16] <MTecknology> install
[03:17] <MTecknology> it's only /boot that i lost though..
[03:17] <MTecknology> i can recreate that by reinstalling grub and the kernel... then running grub-install
[03:18] <Jetrii> I'
[03:18] <bjsnider> MTecknology, you've made quite a big meal of this
[03:18] <MTecknology> bjsnider: meal?
[03:19] <bjsnider> just an expression
[03:19] <bjsnider> it's a huge, complicated thing
[03:19] <MTecknology> ooooh
[03:19] <MTecknology> yup...
[03:19] <MTecknology> ... huge ...
[03:19] <Jetrii> I'm having trouble installing the latest 11.10 build. Installing Grub failed the first time on every partition I tried. I created a /boot partition the 2nd time and installed successfully, but it won't boot
[03:19] <NoelJB> MTecknology, for the last several releases, I've used the alternate install in expert mode to install GRUB1, but it seems the Oneiric no longer offers that option.
[03:19] <NoelJB> MTecknology, what is insane about your setup?
[03:20] <MTecknology> NoelJB: i usually do something like that... cli base install, strip it down, compile my stripped down kernel, add things back, enjoy
[03:20] <NoelJB> what is stripped down in your kernel?
[03:21] <NoelJB> And why not do the stripped down kernel post a normal install?
[03:21] <MTecknology> the whole monolithic kernel is <2MB
[03:21] <MTecknology> i'm crazy like that.. that's not whay i'm doing now
[03:22] <MTecknology> NoelJB: i thought nothing crazy... i wanted to have /boot on its own software raid1 then everything else on lvm on raid6, install mbr to both boot devices, then be done with it
[03:22] <bjsnider> he probably strips out every driver except those on his own board
[03:23] <MTecknology> bjsnider: yup, ond then drivers for the stuff on my boardd that i don't care about.. like the webcam
[03:23] <MTecknology> NoelJB: when i try to install, the installer kinda freaks out after partitioning right before starting to install ... i can't remember teh exact error
[03:24] <MTecknology> point ended up being, that i can't install to a raid6 device
[03:24] <intangir> someone said something about a low latency kernel a bit ago? what is that
[03:24] <intangir> i dont see it in the package manager
[03:24] <bjsnider> NoelJB, nvidia-settings built, maybe not yet published
[03:25] <ChogyDan> intangir: I think it is a not strongly maintained branch of the kernel
[03:25] <intangir> whats generic-pae?
[03:25] <bjsnider> i think it's called realtime, -rt
[03:26] <bjsnider> -pae is physical address extension, for 32-bit with at least 4gb of ram
[03:26] <intangir> what if its only 4gb of ram
[03:26] <bjsnider> it is automatically selected at install time if you choose i386 and have that much ram
[03:26] <MTecknology> i thought it was >3GB RAM
[03:27] <bjsnider> might be >3
[03:27] <intangir> i have 4 gigs
[03:27] <intangir> but it didnt install pae
[03:27] <bjsnider> anyway, it's automatically selected
[03:27] <MTecknology> NoelJB: i guess knowing that / can't sit on RAID 6 and having everything else set up, I should be able to let the installer do its thing
[03:27] <bjsnider> are you sure?
[03:27] <ChogyDan> you should be fine
[03:27] <intangir> oh it looks like thats for x86, i have 64bi
[03:28] <MTecknology> pae is ubuntu-auto-smart enabled :)
[03:28] <NoelJB> bjsnider, not published as of right now
[03:29] <Jetrii> Bah... Grub keeps on failing...
[03:29] <intangir> ok i still cant get my 2nd monitor to work
[03:29] <NoelJB> intangir, it is a maintained kernel typically used with Ubuntu Studio.  Currently in a PPA.
[03:29] <intangir> and my nvidia-settings is still not letting my configure my xorg.conf
[03:29] <NoelJB> intangir, I do a lot with audio, and have had fewer problems using that kernel to -generic.
[03:29] <intangir> also after running updates, my font for terminal is goofy looking ;)
[03:29] <Jetrii> Is there a known problem with the 11.10 installer?
[03:30] <Jetrii> Concerning grub failing?
[03:30] <MTecknology> my audio is usually mute except at work
[03:30] <intangir> NoelJB: i play alot of games, maybe i should also get it
[03:30] <intangir> NoelJB: where do i get it
[03:30] <maizuddin35> anyone got problem with gnome3 and his graphic driver?
[03:30] <NoelJB> intangir, in fact, I don't want to jinx it, but currently using the -lowlatency kernel I'm getting a whole day with Oneiric, whereas with -generic, the system generally spontenously stops within an hour or so.
[03:30] <intangir> yikes, ok i want it, how do i get it?
[03:31] <NoelJB> intangir, xorg.conf is deprecated.  do you really need it?
[03:31] <intangir> maizuddin35: ya im having issues with graphics all day
[03:31] <sileni> hello everyone
[03:31] <maizuddin35> all day ? what graphic carddo you use?
[03:31] <intangir> NoelJB: i dont know, but if i delete it how do i configure my graphics?
[03:31] <maizuddin35> sileni : hello
[03:31] <intangir> nvidia
[03:31] <intangir> 9800 gtx
[03:31] <NoelJB> the -rt kernel is largely dead these days, it seems.
[03:31] <sileni> if i download the developer version of 11.10 would it be very close to the release kind right now ?
[03:32] <intangir> sileni: thats what im guessing
[03:32] <MTecknology> there's e developer version?
[03:32] <johnjohn101> daily build
[03:32] <NoelJB> intangir, the system should detect and use the driver.  I don't have one and nvidia is correctly used here.  bjsnider would have more detail.
[03:32] <sileni> MTecknology: i mean daily build
[03:32] <MTecknology> that's no developer
[03:32] <maizuddin35> intangir: thats weird before this, I use that card, and I had no problem .
[03:32] <MTecknology> ya- keep it up to date and you have release ver when it's released
[03:32] <intangir> im going to delete my xorg then and see what happens...
[03:32] <intangir> im guessing 1 screen
[03:32] <intangir> brb
[03:33] <johnjohn101> so do nothing to get released version except updates
[03:33] <sileni> MTecknology: i see
[03:33] <sileni> MTecknology: any word on the approx time it is being released?
[03:33] <bjsnider> intangir, you're going to delete all of xorg? you won't get a screen at all
[03:33] <sileni> MTecknology: which part of the world oct 13?
[03:33] <MTecknology> did they say oct 13?
[03:34] <sileni> ye
[03:34] <NoelJB> yes, tomorrow is released day.  I wish they'd have changed it to yesterday.
[03:34] <intangir> i deleted my conf
[03:34] <MTecknology> honestly... i don't pay attention :P
[03:34] <intangir> it loaded with just 1 monitor
[03:34] <SetiAmon> tommorow is 4 hours here
[03:34] <SetiAmon> 1 am PST
[03:34] <MTecknology> i just stay up to date
[03:34] <intangir> and it does not detect a 2nd screen
[03:34] <sileni> NoelJB: why change it to yesterday?
[03:34] <intangir> still cant use X server display configuration
[03:34] <NoelJB> sileni, because then it would have been released on 11/11/11
[03:34] <maizuddin35> its already today for me but for them its tomorrow.
[03:35] <sileni> NoelJB: ah true
[03:35] <NoelJB> oops, 10/11/11.  nevermind
[03:35] <NoelJB> :-)
[03:35] <intangir> so im still screwed, same boat, except now 2nd monitor is OFF instead of blank white
[03:35] <MTecknology> sileni: time of day is never announced
[03:35] <NoelJB> LOL
[03:35] <intangir> bjsnider: can you please help me setup nvidia dual screens
[03:35] <maizuddin35> intangir : do you use the driver from the nvidia site or wat?
[03:35] <sileni> NoelJB: ah true that ..
[03:35] <sileni> NoelJB: i'm bad with dates
[03:35] <intangir> im using the nvidia driver from the repos
[03:35] <NoelJB> intangir, after you get loaded, run nvidia-settings (not nvidia-xconfig) and have it detect the monitors.
[03:35] <intangir> it doesnt work
[03:35] <MTecknology> sileni: if you know it's x day, then it will be on x day at some time in the world
[03:36] <intangir> Unable to load X Server Display Configuration page:
[03:36] <intangir> Failed to query NoScanout for screen 0.
[03:36] <johnjohn101> i've been happier since i use intel graphics and ubuntu
[03:36] <sileni> MTecknology: i kinda figured that ..
[03:36] <Jetrii> Has the grub installation on 11.10 failed for anyone else?
[03:36] <MTecknology> sileni: #ubuntu-release-party wouldn't be as annoying if they announced that....
[03:37] <sileni> MTecknology: i hate that channel and the bot in it
[03:37] <johnjohn101> why?
[03:37] <MTecknology> and the people
[03:37] <NoelJB> OK, all new nvidia code in x-updates.  both driver and settings
[03:37] <intangir> how do i get it?
[03:38] <intangir> is this something that might help me?
[03:38] <MTecknology> i'm not sure what fs i want for /opt.... it's going to have a few >1TB files, but also many many little files....
[03:38] <intangir> since im not able to get my nvidia stuff to work
[03:40] <maizuddin35> intangir: maybe I can't help anything tehnically, but have you check out this..http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=909460&highlight=Nvidia+9800
[03:40] <NoelJB> intangir, no clue if it would help, but google x-updates ppa, and follow instructions
[03:41] <NoelJB> MTecknology, either XFS or ext4.  I don't believe that btrfs is RFPT.
[03:42] <MTecknology> NoelJB: i suppose i'll stick with the good old fashioned ext4 :)
[03:42] <intangir> check this out, this looks like it could be whats causing my issue:
[03:42] <intangir> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports-bugs/2011-February/206865.html
[03:43] <intangir> does the version on x-updates ppa include that check which leaves out my card?
[03:43] <maizuddin35> think not..?
[03:43] <intangir> is this it? https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates
[03:44] <magn3ts> Why is the Unity global menu insisting on infiltrating my gnome-shell?
[03:44] <NoelJB> magn3ts, because it knows that Gnome Shell sucks?
[03:44] <NoelJB> intangir, yes
[03:44] <maizuddin35> NoelJB: lol
[03:45] <NoelJB> magn3ts, no clue.  I just seriously dislike Gnome Shell.
[03:45] <bjsnider> objectively wrong
[03:45] <MTecknology> NoelJB: so... [/dev/sdf1|/dev/sdg1] -> {raid1} /boot && [/dev/sdf2|/dev/sdg2] -> {raid1} / && [/dev/sda1|/dev/sdb1|/dev/sdc1|/dev/sdd1|/dev/sde1] -> {raid6} -> lvm -> rest of system .. /home /var /opt /usr /devel
[03:45] <MTecknology> NoelJB: 100M, 4.9GB, 6TB  (available)
[03:46] <MTecknology> about to kick it off... wish me luck :)
[03:46] <magn3ts> How can one strongly dislike gnome-shell and like unity?
[03:46] <NoelJB> bjsnider, LOL  objectively it is subjectively right
[03:46] <MTecknology> magn3ts: how can one like either?
[03:46] <NoelJB> magn3ts, they aren't the same.  For example, Unity supports integration using languages other than JS.
[03:47] <NoelJB> MTecknology, on Fedora, where the choice is a steaming pile of Gnome Shell or KDE, I've gone with KDE.
[03:47] <NoelJB> On Ubuntu, I'm still willing to see how Unity evolves.
[03:47] <MTecknology> i use openbox
[03:48] <MTecknology> NoelJB: and... it failed
[03:48] <NoelJB> MTecknology, why?
[03:48] <intangir> bjsnider: ok i installed that ppa, so do i now just update and install nvidia-settings and nvidia-current? or what
[03:49] <jbicha> magn3ts: you can uninstall indicator-appmenu or just don't use a transparent gshell theme & you probably wouldn't even notice
[03:49] <MTecknology> NoelJB: WARNING **: Configuring 'bootstrap-bas' failed with error code 1
[03:49] <MTecknology> bootstrap-base*
[03:50] <bjsnider> well, just because you have the latest graphics driver doesn't mean all of your problems will be solved
[03:50] <NoelJB> MTecknology, here I have sda1 for a dedicated boot partition, sda5-9 for entire OS installs, sda10 for a swap partition, and sda11 is a large shared volume mounted as /mnt/SHARED.  I have /home for each release partition, but shareable things within /home are then symlnked to the shared FS.
[03:50] <bjsnider> but i would use jockey to install the driver
[03:50] <maizuddin35> bjsnider:agreed
[03:50] <maizuddin35> intangir: did you already install the "Ubuntu-X"?
[03:50] <NoelJB> bjsnider, as far as I know, there are only a few documented bug fixes between the prior driver and now.
[03:51] <intangir> maizuddin35: ya
[03:51] <MTecknology> NoelJB: i think this is just i a bug in bootstrap-base... i know grub can handle this setup
[03:51] <intangir> im going to reboot and see how it goes brb
[03:51] <maizuddin35> intangir:gudluck
[03:54] <MTecknology> NoelJB: now i'm trying to install with / on it's own partition.. removed the raid for just that
[03:54] <intangir> damn it it still doesnt show the display config in nvidia-settings
[03:54] <intangir> for some reason theres a line in there that arbitrarily excludes older cards that can use it fine
[03:55] <MTecknology> NoelJB: and... no worky
[03:56] <MTecknology> maybe it doesn't like that i'm trying to install things to an external disk?... but linux shouldn't care about that
[03:56] <intangir> so maybe i should build my own nvidia-settings
[03:57] <intangir> how do i tell if im actually using your newest build?
[03:58] <intangir> 173.14.30
[03:58] <intangir> thats old isnt it?
[03:58] <NoelJB> MTecknology, FWIW, apparently RedHat thinks that btrfs is good enough to be the default for FC16.
[03:58] <bjsnider> they're wrong
[03:58] <rww> indeed they are
[03:59] <NoelJB> bjsnider, I agree, as you might see in the scroll.  XFS or ext4 would be my choices.
[03:59] <bjsnider> where in the world did you read that absurd bunch of nonsense?
[03:59] <MTecknology> NoelJB: scary
[03:59] <NoelJB> bjsnider, some web story on the topic.
[04:00] <MTecknology> k... so having / and /boot on their own partitions w/o raid still isn't good enough
[04:00] <NoelJB> looks like it was proposed, but backed out as not being ready.
[04:00] <bjsnider> i guess redhat doesn't care about fedora users
[04:00] <bjsnider> is it the default in rhel?
[04:00] <bjsnider> is it the default in rhas?
[04:01] <NoelJB> bjsnider, fedora users are guinea pigs for RHEL
[04:01] <bjsnider> apparently so
[04:01] <magn3ts> jbicha, wait, it's because of the transparency.
[04:02] <magn3ts> jbicha, that screams hack.
[04:02] <bjsnider> that will do a good job creating a bunch of bad blood
[04:02] <magn3ts> jbicha, but thanks, removing the indicator hadn't occured to me.
[04:05] <MTecknology> why oh why does this installer hate me so?
[04:05] <NoelJB> bjsnider, why would he still be using 173?  That's ancient.  Really old HW?
[04:06] <MTecknology> I think it's getting mad about me trying to install things to the external disk.. why it would care, i do not know
[04:06] <bjsnider> NoelJB, anything before the geforce 6k, also including a 9k variant
[04:07] <bjsnider> it would upgrade nvidia-settings though
[04:07] <bjsnider> not that a very minor upgrade in nvidia-settings would make any difference
[04:08] <jmcantrell> are there any wallpaper changers that work in oneiric? or any way to change the wallpaper from the command line?
[04:11] <NoelJB> bjsnider, OK, so dkms just removed all of the nvidia modules for all the kernels, but only built it for the current one.  when I boot to another kernel, so far I've experienced the need to manually tell dkms to autoinstall.  any idea why?
[04:12] <MTecknology> i give up for tonight
[04:12] <jbicha> magn3ts: which is a hack? the transparency or the nautilus global menu or that nautilus is drawing the desktop?
[04:12] <magn3ts> no, that the indicator-appmenu is being drawn ... on... no panel.
[04:12] <jbicha> ^ disable any 1 of those 3 and you're good
[04:13] <magn3ts> why is it being drawn when the panel isn't there?
[04:13] <magn3ts> but frankly, nautilus shouldn't be drawing the desktop in the year 2011 but that's neither here nor there.
[04:13] <intangir> god this nvidia shit is a huge pain...
[04:13] <jbicha> magn3ts: you can turn off nautilus drawing the desktop, GNOME doesn't do it by default any more
[04:13] <intangir> i guess i have to build a custom nvidia-settings that doesnt exclude my old card...
[04:14] <intangir> not sure when, but at somepoint they added some stupid code that screwed old cards out...
[04:14] <intangir> i dont know how other people arent falling victim to this, its unconfigurable
[04:14] <magn3ts> jbicha, right, but I still don't understand why the indicator is being run period in gnome-shell.
[04:14] <intangir> so you cant use multiple monitors
[04:15] <magn3ts> jbicha, I mean, it's smart enough not to suppress the menus appearing in the application window, ala gnome-shell style, but it's not intelligent enough to not render itself in the middle of seemingly nowhere without the unity-panel there?
[04:15] <jbicha> magn3ts: it's always being ran...
[04:15] <magn3ts> seems beyond silly.
[04:15] <jbicha> it's not in the middle of nowhere, it's part of Nautilus
[04:15] <magn3ts> yes, but that indicator is normally drawn into gnome-panel or unity-panel
[04:16] <jbicha> magn3ts: as a very bad idea, try running Ctrl+T to open a new tab on your desktop :(
[04:16] <magn3ts> seeing as neither of those are running, why is magically appearing there.
[04:16] <magn3ts> challenge accepted
[04:22] <MTecknology> OOOOH!!!!
[04:23] <MTecknology> KimberlyCarmichael: i saw the pic it's freaking out about! I'll need to figure out what can and can't be on raid6 for the system to boot
[04:24] <MTecknology> it's the raid6 it's freaking out about! I'll need to figure out what can and can't be on raid6 for the system to boot **
[04:28] <intangir> ok well im back to having the 2nd screen on, but totally white
[04:28] <intangir> its like it starts up, then turns white, i saw the background and menu on it briefly
[04:28] <intangir> i got nvidia-settings working, but all it does it set the xorg.conf
[04:28] <intangir> which is what i had an hours and a half ago ;)
[04:29] <maizuddin35> intangir:nicely done
[04:29] <intangir> i think you misunderstood, it still doesnt work right ;)
[04:29] <intangir> 2nd monitor is on, but worthless
[04:30] <intangir> oh wait actually i just went over to it and used a hotkey to open terminal, it appeared
[04:30] <intangir> its working, but no .. gnome?
[04:32] <intangir> hehe i got wow running though
[04:32] <intangir> wow wouldnt work with twinview
[04:34] <intangir> ok well i am going to have to use twinview though because i cant drag windows across.. i cant even move mouse out when its in fullscreen graphics mode..
[04:37] <MTecknology> heh... installing to USB 2.0 is significantly slower than installing to sata disks....
[04:37] <MTecknology> who woulda thunk ;P
[04:38] <jmcantrell> anyone install xubuntu-desktop  from oneiric?
[04:45] <intangir> ok its working now
[04:45] <intangir> im not sure what is different from hours ago
[04:45] <intangir> but now my fullscreen games work in twinview
[04:45] <intangir> i think i just have a different driver version as it turns out
[04:46] <intangir> its working pretty well
[04:46] <intangir> tomarrow i get to fix my home directory shit
[04:46] <intangir> later ;)
[04:46] <intangir> oh also i guess upgrade
[04:51] <oscalation> hello
[04:55] <XLubuntu> isn't it released yet. its already mid-day of 13th here :)
[04:57] <rww> no, it isn't released yet.
[04:58] <oscalation> rww, cant i d/l the daily build and synch with ...
[04:58] <oscalation> something to pull the updates
[04:59] <rendero> !isitup
[04:59] <rww> oscalation: yup
[04:59] <rww> !zsync
[04:59] <rww> I /think/ the final release has a zsync thing, anyway
[05:00] <SetiAmon> so
[05:00] <SetiAmon> anything new?
[05:08] <adminewb> hey all
[05:09] <adminewb> would the beta2 builds of oneiric be adequate for effective use of zsync when the production release is out?
[05:15] <XLubuntu> whats a zsync, can anybody explain me?
[05:17] <rww> !zsync
[05:17] <XLubuntu> sounds interesting
[05:43] <gustavold> I just upgraded to Oneiric
[05:43] <gustavold> how do I choose gnome instead of unity?
[05:44] <gustavold> I used the option "ubuntu classic" in natty
[05:44] <SetiAmon> hmm 23 huors till they release it
[05:44] <rww> !notunity | gustavold
[05:45] <SetiAmon> gnome-shell basically a gnome2.3 interface?
[05:45] <gustavold> rww: thanks
[05:46] <gustavold> also, networking stopped working after upgrade
[05:46] <gustavold> I will try a dpkg-reconfigure -a to see if it helps
[05:46] <gustavold> there was some errors during upgrade
[05:50] <gothicjunk> imho Gnome 3 shell should be removed as an option from the ISO to save space
[05:50] <gothicjunk> just my 2 cents
[06:08] <chintan> hii
[06:08] <chintan> when ubuntu 11.10 realease ?
[06:09] <chintan> anyone here for talk
[06:09] <chintan> ?
[06:10] <chintan> noone ?
[06:10] <mannish_> in 22 hours, i gues
[06:12] <chintan> mannish : u from india ?
[06:12] <mannish> no
[06:12] <chintan> ok sorry
[06:13] <chintan> i'm waiting for 11.10
[06:13] <mannish> me too
[06:13] <chintan> whats difference between #ubuntu & #ubuntu+1 channel ?
[06:14] <mannish> #ubuntu+1 is mainly for discussion about new releases of ubuntu i guess
[06:15] <chintan> ok ok
[06:15] <chintan> i think its great support for linux through IRC
[06:15] <zhiwei> 11.10 will release soon.
[06:15] <mannish> yea
[06:15] <chintan> ok zhiwei
[06:15] <fyksen-laptop> Does anyone know when "soon" is? :D
[06:16] <zhiwei> chintan,mannish: what time is it now at your local?
[06:16] <chintan> mannish says "22 hours"
[06:16] <chintan> here in india 11:45 AM
[06:16] <mannish> here's 1.30 pm now :(
[06:17] <zhiwei> it's 14:16, my local
[06:17] <chintan> ok bye to all
[06:17] <zhiwei> Thu Oct 13 14:17:23 CST 2011
[06:17] <chintan> i"ll download when it comes
[06:17] <mannish> what's cst?
[06:18] <zhiwei> this address: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/11.10/release/
[06:18] <s1> http://www.thisisthecountdown.com/
[06:18] <gustavold> I have a bcm4322 wireless card (macbook) anyone knows what driver I should be using... Oneiric doesn't recognize the wireless card
[06:19] <s1> see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[06:19] <gustavold> Oneiric is loading driver bcm5974
[06:20] <mannish> 11 hours 40 minutes left
[06:21] <zhiwei> mannish: yeah, wish time fly fast...
[06:21] <mannish> if time fly fast, u die fast
[06:23] <Ian_Corne> If time flies fast, you're having fun :)
[06:25] <hid3> Good morning. Is 11.10 already out?
[06:25] <crash1hd> hey all I figured I would give ubuntu 11.10 a try so I downloaded the beta2 iso used the universal installer to usb plugged it into my machine and rebooted it gets to the part where its going to the desktop and the monitor turns off? I cant figure out what I should try to make this work?
[06:26] <mannish> good afternoon hid3, your answer is no
[06:26] <hid3> great
[06:26] <hid3> Since I think we still have one RC critical bug :D
[06:26] <hid3> still some chance left!
[06:27] <adminewb> crash1hd, you could press Ctrl-Alt-F1 to see if the console says anything
[06:28] <crash1hd> nothing happens
[06:28] <crash1hd> already tried that
[06:29] <adminewb> is there still disk activity?
[06:29] <crash1hd> no
[06:29] <crash1hd> it just sits therelike its waiting for me to do something
[06:29] <adminewb> does caps lock key work?
[06:29] <crash1hd> yes
[06:29] <crash1hd> yeah I tried both caps and num and they work
[06:30] <adminewb> tried any of the other virtual terminals?
[06:30] <crash1hd> ?
[06:30] <adminewb> Ctrl-Alt-F2 or the like
[06:31] <crash1hd> tried all of them
[06:31] <crash1hd> nothing worked
[06:31] <crash1hd> from F1-f12
[06:31] <adminewb> and they don't go to a character mode display...
[06:32] <crash1hd> nope or at least not that I can tell since the monitor seems to turn itself off
[06:32] <mannish> when i used zsync to update my ubuntu-11.04-desktop-i386.iso, it said 14% target complete. what was that?
[06:32] <crash1hd> and doesnt want to turn itself back on until I reboot
[06:33] <adminewb> crash1hd, all I can think of is doing a post mortem from a single-user mode boot, checking the logs
[06:33] <crash1hd> I am in 11.04 right now and it is working
[06:33] <crash1hd> adminewb, how would I do that?
[06:34] <adminewb> crash1hd, well I suppose it would depend on the system working well enough to keep logs in the persistence area on your USB device...
[06:34] <adminewb> and that probably wants to be shut down nicely for it to take effect
[06:34] <adminewb> Ctrl-Alt-Del do anything?
[06:35] <crash1hd> nope
[06:35] <crash1hd> well I am willing to give it a try
[06:35] <adminewb> no flicker of the disk or anything?
[06:35] <crash1hd> none
[06:35] <crash1hd> its very odd
[06:36] <crash1hd> will reboot now and try to go into single user mode
[06:36] <adminewb> quite
[06:37] <adminewb> make note of the time of day of your display loss, so you can tell if it's the boot of interest in your log
[06:38] <crash1hd> right
[06:38] <crash1hd> ok so do I add the word single before or afte the --
[06:38] <zhiwei> hi,all. how to disable touchpad of laptop?
[06:39] <adminewb> are you using grub2 crash1hd?
[06:39] <corrosive23> zhiwei there is an indicator called touchpad indicatior that allows it
[06:39] <crash1hd> one would think so remember its from the iso download on a usb thumbdrive
[06:40] <adminewb> ok, keyword single comes after the name of your kernel on the linux command line
[06:40] <zhiwei> corrosive23: how to install it? i did not find this indicator?
[06:41] <adminewb> hmm, not sure where your "--" is coming from
[06:41] <crash1hd> ok I am at the screen where it says try ubuntu without installing c for command line and e for edit
[06:41] <crash1hd> so if I press e I see
[06:42] <crash1hd> linux /casper/vmlinuz file=/cdrom/preseed/ubuntu.seed boot=casper quiet splash --
[06:42] <crash1hd> initrd /casper/initrd.lz
[06:42] <crash1hd> oh and above those I see set gfxpayload=keep
[06:43] <adminewb> I'd replace the "quiet splash" with "single"
[06:43] <adminewb> they should give you a single user option at the menu though
[06:43] <crash1hd> ok trying now
[06:44] <crash1hd> ok bunch of text then a green box and then the monitor starts blinking the power light
[06:44] <crash1hd> like as if its was out of range
[06:45] <adminewb> nasty
[06:45] <crash1hd> yes
[06:45] <adminewb> your monitor is unhappy with the video signal freq?
[06:45] <crash1hd> that would be my guess
[06:45] <crash1hd> but then one would thiink that doing ctrl alt f1
[06:45] <crash1hd> would fix that as its terminal
[06:46] <adminewb> hmm
[06:46] <adminewb> do you have rescue media?
[06:46] <crash1hd> what do you mean?
[06:46] <crash1hd> I am trying to boot from a LiveUSB
[06:47] <crash1hd> or LiveCD on usb
[06:47] <adminewb> well, another system to boot where you could diagnose junk on your USB
[06:47] <corrosive23> try a different distro
[06:47] <corrosive23> it could be a bad download of that iso
[06:47] <crash1hd> other distros are fine
[06:47] <crash1hd> true
[06:47] <crash1hd> had not thought of that
[06:47] <crash1hd> alright going to try it on another machine
[06:48] <adminewb> good idea
[06:48] <gustavold1> modinfo: could not find module wl
[06:48] <gustavold1> :(
[06:49] <corrosive23> i tried multiple times to install 11.10 on my netbook and the installer would crash so i re-downloaded the iso and it worked then
[06:54] <crash1hd> well that would suck since it took 1.5 hrs to download the first time but I will try it :)
[06:55] <adminewb> crash1hd if you're not sure of your ISO, try to correct it with zsync
[06:55] <crash1hd> ???
[06:56] <adminewb> zsync control files are provided now for ubuntu CD images
[06:57] <adminewb> and it might be that your ISO was downloaded ok but imaging to the USB drive was corrupted
[06:57] <adminewb> !zsync
[06:57] <corrosive23> what are you using to make the usb install
[06:58] <crash1hd> I made it on windows 7
[06:58] <mannish> u have to install Universal Usb Installer or sth
[06:58] <crash1hd> my laptop
[06:58] <crash1hd> using the universal usb thing
[06:58] <cousin_luigi> hello
[06:59] <adminewb> if you have any distro that works, it should be easy to run zsync from that
[07:00] <adminewb> then it wouldn't take 90min to redo an ISO
[07:00] <mannish> when i ran zsync, it said that 14% target complete....what does that mean?
[07:00] <cousin_luigi> I'm using the gnome classic mode and people on #gnome tell me it's some sort of unity variant they can't help me with: is that true?
[07:00] <corrosive23> try unetbootin
[07:00] <cousin_luigi> http://i.imgur.com/SWwLI.jpg <- anyway this is my problem
[07:01] <gustavold1> yay! "apt-get --reinstall install bcmwl-kernel-source" did the trick... and I got my wireless back :)
[07:04] <adminewb> mannish if you zsync something that you're almost up to date with already, it should start with target complete %age near 100% after it scans the .zsync file and your reference "input" file
[07:05] <mannish> adminewb: i tried zsync in "ubuntu-11.04-desktop-i386.iso" and it said only 14 % target complete. why so less?
[07:07] <adminewb> it was a partial download?
[07:08] <crash1hd> adminewb, ok so do I just type zsyn http://ubuntu-releases.mirror.nexicom.net/oneiric/ubuntu-11.10-beta2-desktop-amd64.iso ?
[07:08] <mannish> i don't know, but the download size was pretty big
[07:09] <mannish> does it mean that more than 80% files are changed from 11.04 to 11.10 beta2 ??????
[07:09] <adminewb> crash1hd, no check the man page
[07:10] <adminewb> mannish 80%+ of the binary blocks in the file, afaik
[07:10] <crash1hd> oh crud missed a c but thats what the man page says to do
[07:10] <adminewb> but in 6 months of intensive development, I wouldn't rely on so much of the binary image remaining intact
[07:11] <cousin_luigi> Is gnome-session-fallback gnome3 based?
[07:11] <mannish> 12.10 = Quantum Quail
[07:11] <crash1hd> oh right I am missing the source
[07:12] <adminewb> crash1hd I think the main argument to the zsync command is the .zsync control file for what you're downloading
[07:12] <adminewb> then you may need to give it a -i input file, the local reference which is to be updated
[07:13] <crash1hd> yeah like this zsync -i /media/usb http://ubuntu-releases.mirror.nexicom.net/oneiric/ubuntu-11.10-beta2-desktop-amd64.iso
[07:13] <mannish> i did
[07:14] <adminewb> crash1hd I'd not feel safe addressing a usb device that way
[07:14] <mannish> zsync -i example.iso http://example.iso.zsync
[07:15] <crash1hd> ahh well thats where the image is lol but its extracted on the usb (the actual iso is on my laptop in windows) but I guess I could move it
[07:15] <adminewb> /media/usb implies you already have a file system on the device mounted there
[07:16] <crash1hd> yes
[07:16] <adminewb> that's not how the unetbootin thing works, afaik
[07:17] <crash1hd> right copying the iso over now
[07:19] <crash1hd> so basically it should be zsync -i image.iso http://ubuntu-releases.mirror.nexicom.net//oneiric/ubuntu-11.10-beta2-desktop-amd64.iso
[07:19] <adminewb> where you have the ISO original, I'd use that with zsync
[07:20] <adminewb> add a ".zsync" at the end of the url, I think
[07:20] <adminewb> and it will put the output file in your cwd
[07:21] <adminewb> you may have to mount your Win7 NTFS where the ISO is
[07:25] <crash1hd> ok after checking will remake the usb stick with the ubuntu startup creator
[07:26] <adminewb> ya, make sure your sums on the ISO are correct
[07:26] <crash1hd> yep getting checksum matches ok
[07:27] <adminewb> I never troubled to figure out how to verify the gpg sigs and all
[07:27] <adminewb> web of trust and all that rot
[07:27] <crash1hd> the file came from ubuntu so I figure its genuine :)
[07:28] <crash1hd> sadly I dont think this is going to change the outcome
[07:28] <adminewb> maybe, maybe not, heh
[07:29] <adminewb> did zsync progress report that it had to update things?
[07:29] <crash1hd> I mean I realize that the mobo I am using is a newer apu and all but geeze
[07:29] <crash1hd> nope said it was fine
[07:29] <adminewb> so the ISO was ok in the first place, usb writing process still could have gone haywire
[07:30] <crash1hd> its not like its anything all that special its an AMD Asus apu system
[07:30] <crash1hd> true
[07:30] <crash1hd> and ubuntu 10.10 is fine and 11.04 seems to be ok too (except that I cant reboot)
[07:30] <crash1hd> it locks up when I do
[07:30] <adminewb> I've never had exposure to APUs, what's to know?
[07:31] <crash1hd> nothing really its an AMD processor that has the GPU buit in
[07:31] <crash1hd> its a Radeon chip
[07:31] <adminewb> so is the APU even more bus bound than a traditional arrangement?
[07:31] <crash1hd> I do have this AMD unsuported hardware halo in the corner
[07:31] <crash1hd> I dont think so
[07:31] <crash1hd> but I really dont know
[07:32] <adminewb> do others in the industry design APUs too?
[07:33] <adminewb> hardware halo, never seen the like
[07:33] <crash1hd> dont know
[07:33] <crash1hd> well sorry watermark not halo
[07:34] <adminewb> my ignorance of the mark remains
[07:35] <adminewb> main reason for APU is to reduce power draw?
[07:35] <crash1hd> lol no problem.
[07:35] <crash1hd> I am guessing
[07:35] <crash1hd> but I got it so I wouldnt have to purchase a seperate GPU
[07:35] <crash1hd> or graphics card (this board is an all in one system)
[07:35] <adminewb> well cost would be a factor too, sure
[07:35] <crash1hd> Asus F1A75-V pro
[07:36] <crash1hd> sadly same issue is arrising on reboot
[07:36] <adminewb> be worth checking hardware compatability list, I suppose
[07:36] <crash1hd> where would I see that?
[07:36] <adminewb> !hcl
[07:38] <crash1hd> hmm well like I was saying though 10.10 is fine and so is 11.04
[07:38] <crash1hd> one would think that 11.10 would be too
[07:38] <adminewb> right
[07:40] <adminewb> you can mind the logs in boots of your 10.10 & 11.04 systems, when it brings up the radeon driver
[07:40] <adminewb> see if anything behaves differently there wrt the beta2
[07:41] <adminewb> that is, if you can ever read logs from your live USB
[07:41] <oal> Is this countdown correct? http://www.thisisthecountdown.com/ (10 hours?)
[07:42] <mannish> yes, i guess
[07:42] <oal> Ok :) Will install it tonight then
[07:43] <adminewb> don't know how to check that domain for impersonations
[07:45] <crash1hd> adminewb, thats just it not sure If I can
[07:46] <crash1hd> as I cant seem to get past any part to tell it to log it
[07:47] <adminewb> syslog & dmesg normally capture lots of stuff
[07:47] <adminewb> you don't have to custom configure to get logs
[07:48] <crash1hd> no but you do  have to be able to get to a shell
[07:48] <crash1hd> as I cant get any further then grub
[07:48] <adminewb> only a question of whether the persistence area is working on USB when you can't necessarily shutdown correctly
[07:49] <adminewb> the shell can come from another kernel booting
[07:49] <crash1hd> well lets say it is then how do I check it
[07:49] <adminewb> I presume it's a FAT filesystem?
[07:49] <cousin_luigi> hello, again
[07:49] <crash1hd> yes
[07:49] <adminewb> FAT32 or such
[07:49] <adminewb> in that case you can just read it from Win7
[07:50] <crash1hd> yeah booting a livecd now of 11.04
[07:50] <cousin_luigi> How can I change the decorator in gnome classic mode?
[07:50] <crash1hd> adminewb, ok but when I put the usb into windows and see the folders where do I look?
[07:51] <crash1hd> or would it be on the root of the drive?
[07:51] <adminewb> hmm
[07:51] <adminewb> I think those persistence files are like cpio compressed archives or some damn thing
[07:52] <adminewb> best not to use Windoze after all :/
[07:52] <mannish> i tried to install Ubuntu by USB boot. it didn't work :)
[07:52] <adminewb> ever done a loop mount? I think that's how you look into them
[07:53] <crash1hd> never done that
[07:55] <adminewb> let me look at my live USB
[07:55] <crash1hd> k
[07:59] <adminewb> there's a file called casper-rw where the usb is mounted, that's the persistence
[07:59] <adminewb> file indicates it's an ext2 image, so you'd have to loop mount that
[07:59] <adminewb> preferably read only so no one is tempted to mangle it
[08:00] <crash1hd> ok so what is the command to loop mount that?
[08:01] <adminewb> mount -oloop
[08:01] <adminewb> with the image to mount taking the place of the /dev/ node
[08:02] <adminewb> "man mount" should correct my mistakes
[08:02] <crash1hd> ok I am currently reinstalling 11.04 onto a blank drive so that I can test downloading the official release tomorrow and see what happens, will try that after the install is finished shouldnt be too much longer :)
[08:03] <adminewb> it might want to be told what kind of file system it is, but I'd save that option until it kacks on not knowing
[08:03] <adminewb> 10hr, they say
[08:03] <crash1hd> I have 3 hdd's one that has all my data (and is not connected) and 2 others to test and play with :)
[08:04] <crash1hd> yep, but what I mean is installing the 11.04 version now on a 2nd drive shouldnt take much longer
[08:04] <crash1hd> but it has locked the ability to really do anything else atm
[08:04] <adminewb> :o
[08:05] <adminewb> locked, as in disk too full for another install on other partitions?
[08:05] <crash1hd> cause if 11.10 doesnt work even tomorrow after the 10 hr wait and I do the full update then I have backup :)
[08:05] <crash1hd> no locked as in the installer is running and I dont want to runn anything else
[08:06] <adminewb> well good luck
[08:06] <crash1hd> thanks
[08:06] <adminewb> have to get to sleep now
[08:06] <crash1hd> me two
[08:22] <airtonix> I'm using gnome-shell 3.2 on oneric and the theme I'm using is a bit transparent, which means i can see this menu bar that normally sits in the application window under neath the top bar... how to get rid of it?
[08:26] <devkorcvince> How many hours for the 11.10 release?
[08:31] <rendero> is it out yet?
[08:32] <SetiAmon> not for another 9 hours
[08:33] <devkorcvince> I'm 1 Day Advance Asia +8 time
[08:55] <cousin_luigi> devkorcvince: tough luck :)
[09:07] <cutiyar> just one tell me when 11.10 will release?
[09:10] <h31> Hi all. When ISO images will be available?
[09:10] <maxb> *sigh*
[09:11]  * maxb has just become sufficiently annoyed with Oneiric to resort to rolling back to Lucid instead
[09:16] <erle-> wouldnt it be pretty save now to force update manager to upgrade?
[09:16] <erle-> should be pretty much what is meant to be released now, doesnt it?
[09:21] <Ian_Corne> maxb: you'll get a lot better battery life :)
[09:29] <robbit10> What timezone does Ubuntu use for the release schedule? It's october 13th here.
[09:31] <iceroot> robbit10: the timezone "its done when its done"
[09:33] <robbit10> iceroot: Yeah, I know the hour of release isn't certain yet. But what timezone are they using for october 13th? Somewhere around America? Europe?
[09:38] <dranob> Executing "update-manager -d" on Ubuntu 11.04 i don't get a button to install oneiric. Is there another way to upgrade to 11.10 now?
[09:39] <dranob> sudo do-release-upgrade -d also gives "No new release found"
[09:41] <mvo> dranob: what does "DEBUG_UPDATE_MANAGER=1 do-release-upgrade -d" output?
[09:54] <dranob> mvo: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=jmsYSyyE
[09:57] <mvo> dranob: could you please move away the file /var/lib/update-manager/meta-release-lts-development and see if that makes a difference?
[09:58] <dranob> mvo: done, same output
[10:00] <dranob> mvo: one second, i think i know what's the problem
[10:01] <dranob> mvo: i had ubuntu set up so it only upgrades to LTS releases. I changed that now it works. Thank you very much for your help! :-)
[10:02] <crash1hd> Ok I figured out why my system wont boot the ubuntu 11.10 LiveUSB (its because the video driver is not supported for unity by default and there doesnt seem to be a 2D dropback?)
[10:02] <iceroot> crash1hd: there should be a 2d fallback
[10:03] <crash1hd> well when I boot from the liveUSB my monitor shuts off like as if it is out of range
[10:03] <crash1hd> which is when it goes into unity
[10:03] <crash1hd> but the odd part is when I hit ctrl alt F1 nothing happens
[10:03] <Tixos1> has final been released?
[10:03] <iceroot> crash1hd: sounds like a crash
[10:03] <crash1hd> like its stuck even though I can hit numlck and caps lck and the lights come on
[10:03] <iceroot> Tixos1: no
[10:04] <Tixos1> did i get my date wrong lol
[10:04] <Tixos1> ah its today
[10:04] <iceroot> Tixos1: #ubuntu-release-party
[10:04] <crash1hd> iceroot, anything I can do to figure out what?
[10:04] <Tixos1> what about it ?
[10:05] <Tixos1> why doubling up on rooms
[10:05] <Tixos1> surely this is the same topic
[10:05] <iceroot> Tixos1: to find out when it will be released (so the mainchannels are not filled with "is it out" spam)
[10:06] <Flynsarmy> 11.10 coming out today?
[10:06] <dranob> Flynsarmy: Yes.
[10:07] <Flynsarmy> why are there wo few ppl in the room? usually it's absolutely teeming the day of release
[10:07] <Tixos1> #ubuntu-release-party
[10:07] <Flynsarmy> thanks Tixos1
[10:08] <crash1hd> See when I install 11.04 it says that I dont have the hardware to run unity so it drops to 2D allowing me to install the hardware but the 11.10 usb doesnt even do that
[10:10] <SetiAmon> same.infact when i first install 11.04 it loads to a empty screen.i had to recall consoles and alt F and cycle between the consoles to find the one that loads
[10:11] <crash1hd> yeah except that when I do this with 11.10 beta2 nothing happens
[10:12] <crash1hd> I know the liveusb is fine cause I tried it on my laptop and it looks great :)
[10:12] <mvo> dranob: yw
[10:12] <th_> 11.10 drops you to unity2d
[10:13] <th_> beta2 is _old_ anyway ;)
[10:13] <crash1hd> :) well here is to hoping that release candidate works when it comes out :) on my AMD/ATI APU
[10:15] <munikar> is it out yet?
[10:17] <munikar> anybody here?
[10:19] <h31> munikar: looks like not yet
[10:27] <Angelo_> Hi! :-)
[10:27] <airtonix> I'm using gnome-shell 3.2 on oneric and the theme I'm using is a bit transparent, which means i can see this menu bar that normally sits in the application window under neath the top bar... how to get rid of it?
[10:28] <Angelo_> Could someone help me with the upgrade to ubuntu 11:10?
[10:29] <munikar> Angelo_: whats the problem?
[10:30] <Angelo_> munikar: hi! :-)  There was a conflict with software center and in the message was written to close that program to continue
[10:31] <Angelo_> I closed that but then automatically quick from installation
[10:31] <Angelo_> what should i do to complete it? (sorry if my english is not so good :-) )
[10:31] <munikar> what were you installing?
[10:32] <Angelo_> ubuntu 11:10 from 11:04
[10:32] <munikar> you were using software center to update? !!! :-0
[10:32] <Angelo_> and it was doing "packages update"
[10:32] <munikar> :-o
[10:33] <Angelo_> no no
[10:33] <Angelo_> i use update-manager -d command
[10:33] <Angelo_> and yes, then, to free space, i used software center
[10:33] <munikar> then it should have opened Update Manager, not Software Center. right?
[10:33] <Asad2005> Is 11:10 out yet ?
[10:33] <Angelo_> yes update manager
[10:34] <munikar> u don't need software center to update
[10:34] <Angelo_> yes, i know...
[10:34] <Angelo_> ... but i used it to free space
[10:35] <munikar> as fas as i know, update manager saves its downloads so when it is closed unexpectedly it doesn't lose data. you can resume your download in Update Manager
[10:35] <Angelo_> ah, ok
[10:35] <Angelo_> thank u :-)
[10:35] <munikar> mp :)
[10:35] <EgyParadox> at what time exactly will oneiric be available for download?
[10:35] <munikar> in 7 hours now
[10:36] <EgyParadox> munikar, thnx
[10:36] <munikar> welcome :)
[10:37] <munikar> Angelo_: i can't find the channel #ubuntu-release-party can you?
[10:38] <h31> munikar: 7 hours by London?
[10:38] <Angelo_> munikar: yes
[10:38] <munikar> oh, i got it. sorry
[10:38] <Angelo_> munikar: ok
[10:38] <munikar> h31: 7 hours worldwide :D
[10:38] <Angelo_> :-)
[10:41] <Angelo_> ok, i go
[10:41] <Angelo_> bye!!
[10:41] <Angelo_> :-)
[10:42] <munikar> ubuntu 11.10 is out, i think
[10:52] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[10:52] <BluesKaj> no updates yet
[10:53] <crazyguy510> Saw a tweet with this link. http://releases.ubuntu.com/oneiric/ However, I don't know if it's the RC or the final release so I'll just wait until the official announcement
[10:54] <FernandoMiguel> BluesKaj: no updates in two days
[10:54] <FernandoMiguel> locked for release
[10:54] <FernandoMiguel> tomorrow you will see a bunch of them
[10:54] <BluesKaj> it's official release day , surely we'll have some today
[10:55] <BluesKaj> I even got up early FernandoMiguel :)
[10:56] <FernandoMiguel> for some reason I though the release would be on the 15th
[10:56] <FernandoMiguel> after my bday... oh well
[11:02] <ntelford> hi guys
[11:02] <ntelford> does anyone know if they've fixed the woeful support for Java apps (e.g. IDEs) in Unity for 11.10?
[11:09] <levar99> Hi guys, I've got a question. In a couple of hours 11.10 is released, aka the ISO is available. But will i also be able to upgrade my 11.04 to 11.10? Or will that only be possible later?
[11:10] <brot> levar99: you will be able to update :)
[11:10] <levar99> great :)
[11:12] <jairamc> http://releases.ubuntu.com/oneiric/ already has the ISOs available for download. Anyone know if these are the final ones and there is some specific reason they haven't announced it as yet?
[11:24] <brot> ab i doing it wrong ir is the torrent tracker not working?
[11:24]  * brot wants to help with seeding.
[11:28] <brot> ah, the kubuntu torrents are already working
[11:29] <oscalation> still not out yet?
[11:33] <brot> torrents work
[11:38] <Singham> When is 11.10 releasing ? At what time ?
[11:38] <FernandoMiguel> brot: stop it
[11:38] <FernandoMiguel> wait for official announce
[11:38] <FernandoMiguel> Singham: when it pass the last tests
[11:39] <FernandoMiguel> and is mirrored
[11:39] <Singham> FernandoMiguel : And when is the test ?
[11:39] <vega-> every time same silly questions
[11:40] <vega-> it will be out at 15:49:51 standard antarctic time
[11:40] <brot> FernandoMiguel: why should i wait for the announce? i already downloaded ubuntu and kubuntu amd64/x86 images, verified its md5 and am currently seeding those at 10megabyte/sec
[11:40] <Singham> brot : Where can I download it ?
[11:41] <FernandoMiguel> akgraner: yofel BluesKaj charlie-tca chrisccoulson cwillu_at_work DanaG Ian_Corne jpds before the # close! glad to be with you all this cycle. see you in the next one :D
[11:41] <FernandoMiguel> brot: okay.........
[11:41] <FernandoMiguel> Singham: why are you in an hurry?
[11:42] <Singham> FernandoMiguel : Leave it...
[11:42] <brot> FernandoMiguel: i thought that having some seeds before the release is good :)
[11:43] <FernandoMiguel> brot: sure.... unless something critical bad is found
[11:43] <FernandoMiguel> but if you are seeding that much, lots of folks are jumping the gun
[11:46] <FernandoMiguel> Singham: I will not "leave it"
[11:46] <FernandoMiguel> I would like to understand ppl that keep that behaviour
[11:46] <Singham> FernandoMiguel : As you wish  :)
[12:03] <akgraner> FM_lunch, thanks!
[12:20] <peto> hi..when should be released ocelot? :) today? and the time?
[12:21] <BluesKaj> nothing in the repos yet , what gives ?
[12:21] <BluesKaj> peto, the torents are releases afaik
[12:21] <Pici> when its done.
[12:21] <BluesKaj> released
[12:22] <XLubuntu> is it out yet?
[12:22] <BluesKaj> guess I got up early for nothing again :)
[12:23] <peto> BluesKaj: and where can i find the torrent? :)
[12:23] <Pici> it hasn't been released yet.
[12:24] <Pici> Feel free to await the announcement in #ubuntu-release-party
[12:24] <BluesKaj> Pici, odd some say they are already downloading the torrent(s)
[12:25] <thauriswulfa> BluesKaj: http://releases.ubuntu.com/11.10/ , is it the page from where they are downloading ?
[12:25] <brot> BluesKaj: those are the ones who then seed the torrents so everyone can download fast when the release is announced
[12:26] <ikonia> good job that page is dead now :)
[12:27] <spacexplorer> Hello everybody
[12:27] <spacexplorer> a quick question:
[12:28] <spacexplorer> I try to setup 11.10 alternate amd64 with LUKS+LVM+btrfs
[12:28] <ikonia> good luck with that
[12:28] <ikonia> that's not going to be a "stable" system
[12:28] <peto> kubuntu 11.10 has been released
[12:28] <spacexplorer> I use it since 10.04....
[12:28] <gnomefreak> i read somehting that said something like it will be released ~2300
[12:28] <Bv202> Are the downloads on http://releases.ubuntu.com/11.10/ final releases?
[12:28] <ikonia> peto: no, it's not
[12:29] <sagaci> just installed 11.10, that alt-backtick thing is awesome
[12:29] <BluesKaj> brot, I'm not concerned about the torrents , somebody asked me about them ...I'm waiting for the the updates in the repos
[12:29] <ikonia> BluesKaj: common sense, thank you
[12:29] <susundberg> ikonia: why that wouldn't be "stable"?
[12:29] <XLubuntu> how can be know whether it is officially released or not?
[12:29] <peto> ikonia: i think yes
[12:29] <Pici> XLubuntu: The Ubuntu website will say so.
[12:29] <ikonia> peto: no "it's not"
[12:29] <obonto4lyfe> softpedia has it up for download
[12:30] <Pici> We;ll say so.
[12:30] <ikonia> susundberg: btrfs on it's own, not the best, with encyption over it not good
[12:30] <BluesKaj> ikonia, ??
[12:30] <ikonia> BluesKaj: waiting for the mirrors to update with the release correctly
[12:31] <susundberg> ikonia: k, thanks for clarifying ..
[12:31] <BluesKaj> yeah, same here
[12:31] <peto> ikonia: and when? i can't wait..have no time :/
[12:32] <ikonia> peto: then you are out of luck if you can't wait and have no time
[12:33] <peto> ikonia: i would have no connection to internet and can't download it :/
[12:33] <ikonia> peto: ok, then you can't download it
[12:33] <BluesKaj> I hope the kde root user on dolphin and kate titlebar and toolbar font integration is fixed ...difficult to read on a large monitor
[12:35] <peto> http://www.thisisthecountdown.com/
[12:35] <obonto4lyfe> bah 3d support is broken in final release with virtualbox
[12:35] <obonto4lyfe> typical
[12:35] <ikonia> peto: why are you posting that ?
[12:36] <peto> ikonia: i can't?
[12:36] <airtonix> ikonia: because he's mad
[12:36] <airtonix> he/she *
[12:36] <ikonia> if you want to you can
[12:36] <ikonia> just seems a silly thing to do
[12:37] <ikonia> you're saying "it's out" then posting a link to another non-ubuntu place showing it's not
[12:40] <jacobnesto> hello, anyone knows when the version 11.10 will be available to download
[12:40] <tarzeau> jacobnesto: soon
[12:40] <youness> hello
[12:40] <jacobnesto> waiting
[12:40] <jacobnesto> ..
[12:41] <ikonia> are you all genuinly sat there waiting for this to be released ?
[12:41] <tarzeau> i'm waiting too... better do something more useful
[12:41] <tarzeau> ikonia: no, i installed ios 5 meanwhile!
[12:41] <tarzeau> and i'm fixing bugs for oneiric+1
[12:41] <ikonia> you do know that the content will be same, say 5 hours after release as 5 minutes after release
[12:41] <peto> ikonia: i said kubuntu is out
[12:42] <ikonia> peto: yes, it's not
[12:43] <youness> is ubuntu 11.10 alrdy out?
[12:43] <ikonia> no
[12:43] <youness> ok thnx
[12:44] <misse-> ikonia: sure, but I want to install it 5 minutes after release :))
[12:44] <sbte> hey, can anyone here tell me how to find actual packages in the ubuntu software centre?
[12:44] <ikonia> I'm not on that train, I think it rocketed past me
[12:44] <sbte> no only applications I don't want
[12:44] <thauriswulfa> http://releases.ubuntu.com/11.10/
[12:44] <tarzeau> sbte: what are you looking for?
[12:44] <Pici> thauriswulfa: its not out yet.
[12:45] <sbte> tarzeau, for example texlive-full
[12:45] <airtonix> is it still appropriate to talke about the oneric beta here?
[12:45] <sbte> gedit-latex-plugin
[12:45] <ikonia> airtonix: sure
[12:45] <airtonix> ikonia: okies, even if i installed gnome-shell ?
[12:46] <sbte> the gtkglext library
[12:46] <sbte> any development libraries at all
[12:46] <tarzeau> sbte: but it's there https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/texlive-base (packages.debian.org/texlive-full links to here)
[12:46] <tarzeau> sbte: texlive-full: TeX Live: metapackage pulling in all components of TeX Live
[12:46] <sbte> tarzeau, sure
[12:47] <sbte> but the packages don't show up in the software centre
[12:47] <tarzeau> sbte: likewise with the 2nd package you mentioned
[12:47] <sbte> only applications
[12:47] <tarzeau> sbte: then just aptitude or apt-get install them?
[12:47] <tarzeau> sbte: inside a terminal?
[12:47] <sbte> tarzeau, that's what I'm doing now yes
[12:47] <sbte> but sometimes I don't exactly remember the name
[12:47] <airtonix> http://i.imgur.com/hKMaq.png << I installed gnome-shell and there is this application menu bar floating underneath the top gnome-shell panel... I'm hoping there is a way to get rid of /disable it
[12:47] <misse-> sbte: aptitude search :)
[12:47] <sbte> and if you don't know what the name starts with you can just tab autocomplete
[12:48] <tarzeau> airtonix: looks like a bug?
[12:48] <sbte> so I was wondering if there is any way in which you can make the coftware centre work more like synaptic
[12:48] <airtonix> sbte: apart from just opening synaptic?
[12:48] <sbte> misse-, sure, i know how to work with the command line
[12:48] <sbte> but that's not very user-friendly right?
[12:49] <sbte> I mean, I can also compile everything myself
[12:49] <sbte> but I'm not going to do that either
[12:49] <sbte> airtonix, synaptic was removed from oneiric
[12:49] <sbte> so I figured they finally fixed the software centre
[12:50] <FM_lunch> !isitoutyet
[12:51] <misse-> sbte: well, I like the way USC takes care of applications and if you would want to install something else, use cli.
[12:51] <airtonix> sbte: you mean this synaptic is not on my oneric laptop ? http://i.imgur.com/bInOG.png
[12:52] <charlie-tca> sbte: you can install Synaptic Package Manager and use it to do the installation
[12:52] <sbte> yeah, I'll do that if it's not possible to do with the software centre
[12:52] <FM_lunch> misse-: update-manager -d
[12:53] <misse-> FM_lunch: ?
[12:53] <FernandoMiguel> misse-: if you want it that much!
[12:53] <misse-> ??
[12:53] <sbte> anyhow, I still wonder why it does work in natty, but not in oneiric
[12:53] <sbte> was that done on purpose?
[12:53] <misse-> FernandoMiguel: if I want what?
[12:54]  * FernandoMiguel facepalm
[12:54] <airtonix> sbte: was what done on purpose?
[12:54] <sbte> airtonix, removing all packages that are not actual applications
[12:54] <sbte> s/removing/not displaying/
[12:54] <airtonix> sbte: just use synaptics
[12:54] <sbte> airtonix, I will
[12:55] <sbte> but that doesn't stop me from wondering why they made the software centre worse
[12:55] <airtonix> software center is clearly meant to be a simpler interface for non technical users
[12:56] <sbte> airtonix, they might be looking for gedit plugins for example
[12:56] <sbte> in natty i find 8 actual plugin packages
[12:56] <sbte> in oneiric i find gedit itself
[12:56] <misse-> just because it isn't like synaptic does not mean its worse. As airtonix said, it's meant for non-technical users, and frankly it's a good thing. Linux as a desktop environment need more polish.
[12:56] <Stanley00> sbte: It just hide technical package
[12:57] <Stanley00> sbte: you can show them also.
[12:57] <sbte> Stanley00, how
[12:57] <airtonix> misse-:  sbte : i notice it's still more functional than apples app store
[12:57] <Stanley00> sbte: at the bottom, there a link, I think
[12:58] <misse-> history also shows real package names
[12:58] <sbte> Stanley00, in natty, not in oneiric
[12:58] <airtonix> "Show 11 technical items"
[12:59] <Stanley00> sbte: natty? here? I think natty is supported on #ubuntu?
[12:59] <sbte> Stanley00, I mean it shows technical items in natty, in onieiric it doesn't
[12:59] <roxan> is it out
[12:59] <airtonix> sbte: http://i.imgur.com/R4hKf.png
[12:59] <sbte> I want to have them in oneiric too
[13:00] <airtonix> sbte: it does?
[13:00] <sbte> and I wonder how
[13:00] <roxan> ubottu: is it out
[13:00] <Stanley00> sdx23: I does, in oneiric, afaik
[13:00] <sdx23> Stanley00: what does it do?
[13:00] <Stanley00> sdx23: sorry, wrong nick, my bad :(
[13:00] <Stanley00> sbte: : I does, in oneiric, afaik
[13:01] <ubuntu1> when 11.10 will publish? can any one tell me? today is 13/10.
[13:01] <sbte> Stanley00, airtonix I don't see it here
[13:01] <Stanley00> ubuntu1: soon, just wait
[13:01] <sbte> exact same search
[13:01] <airtonix> sbte: look closer at the bottom
[13:01] <airtonix> sbte: http://i.imgur.com/2JYkh.png
[13:01] <sbte> airtonix, there is nothing on the bottom
[13:01] <sbte> not maximized
[13:01] <ubuntu1> i am waiting about late night 12am
[13:01] <sbte> not windowed
[13:02] <sbte> nothing
[13:02] <sbte> brb in a min
[13:02] <airtonix> sbte: no idea what you're talking about without screenshots
[13:03] <ubuntu1> pls tell me
[13:05] <sbte> airtonix, uploading
[13:06] <spacexplorer> sorry, network and over suff in the middle
[13:08] <sbte> airtonix, wtf, and soon as i pressed print screen it was there
[13:09] <spacexplorer> any idea why 11.10 refuse to install with alternate-amd64 on LUKS+LVM+btrfs saying no space left on device (/target have big free space...)
[13:09] <spacexplorer> I google a bit without any answer....
[13:10] <sbte> airtonix, ok, that was exactly what I was looking for
[13:10] <sbte> but that bar wasn't there before
[13:10] <airtonix> sbte: look at my two previous screenshot links
[13:11] <sbte> airtonix, yes I know
[13:11] <sbte> it's there for me too
[13:11] <sbte> but it wasn't there before
[13:11] <sbte> I guess it's a bug
[13:12]  * BluesKaj wonders if the kde dolphin and kate as root titlebar/tioolbar font integration with system settings has been fixed
[13:12] <sbte> but I have no clue on how to reproduce it
[13:12] <sbte> anyhow, thanks for the help
[13:13] <sbte> maybe my package list wasn't initialised yet
[13:13] <sbte> because I just updated
[13:13] <sbte> I can fidn the gedit latex plugin too now
[13:13] <sbte> I supposed that's it
[13:14]  * BluesKaj is worried about kde getting the crappy end of the stick in oneiric
[13:17] <sbte> ok, oneiric was just released
[13:18] <sbte> so let's talk about the poisoned pidgeon
[13:18] <Ian_Corne> It's gonna go quiet now? :(
[13:19] <Ian_Corne> I'm gonna miss this channel for an entire month
[13:19] <Stanley00> :))
[13:19] <FernandoMiguel> Ian_Corne: breath
[13:19] <ikonia> peto: it just got released if you're still active
[13:19] <Stanley00> so now is time for pangolin? :))
[13:20] <tarzeau> oh the downloadpage shows 11.10 now :)
[13:20] <BluesKaj> not in the repos here
[13:21] <tarzeau> i only need the network installers for automated mass installation...
[13:21] <peto> ikonia: yes i see :) thx :)
[13:22] <peto> ikonia: for the info :)
[13:22] <FernandoMiguel> WHERE'S MY EMAIL RELEASE????
[13:22] <FernandoMiguel> :D
[13:22] <FernandoMiguel> here it is
[13:22] <peto> ikonia: can i find somewhere the torrent?
[13:22] <losbananos82> Oneiric is there
[13:22] <losbananos82> just downloading
[13:23] <ikonia> peto: check the web page
[13:23] <peto> ikonia: http://torrent.ubuntu.com/releases/oneiric/release/desktop/ is this correct?
[13:24] <FernandoMiguel> should be
[13:24] <NoelJB> With Unity, how do I hide all windows (CTRL-ALT-D) and NOT have them all come back as soon as I select something?
[13:24] <peto> what is different between alternate and desktop?
[13:25] <FernandoMiguel> yep
[13:25] <NoelJB> peto, installation approach
[13:25] <NoelJB> akgraner, hey :-)
[13:26] <peto> NoelJB: desktop is with x11?
[13:26] <akgraner> NoelJB, hi - release announcement just hit ubuntu-announce and is on the fridge :-)
[13:26] <NoelJB> peto, huh?
[13:27] <NoelJB> peto, yes, more graphical.
[13:27] <NoelJB> akgraner, :-)
[13:27] <peto> NoelJB: thx :)
[13:27] <brot> thanks to all the devs!
[13:28] <Pessimist> brot: Donate:)
[13:28] <brot> https://munin.minad.de/minad/minad/if_eth0-day.png <- i am donating bandwith ;)
[13:29]  * BluesKaj wonders if he should change server  mirrors ...nothing in NA yet
[13:29] <Ian_Corne> BluesKaj: http://ubuntu.rave.org/
[13:30] <Ian_Corne> my mirror! :D
[13:30] <BluesKaj> Ian_Corne, for  repos that is
[13:31] <NoelJB> akgraner, can you check something, in case it is just a broken config on my end?  If I have a bunch of windows, I can hide them all with CTRL-ALT-D, but as soon as I select something, they all come right back, defeating the purpose of hiding them in the first place.
[13:31] <BluesKaj> Ian_Corne, it seems the repos always get the hind tit :)
[13:32] <akgraner> NoelJB, let me see if that happens to me..
[13:32] <tarzeau> i wonder how these numbers will change during the next days, weeks, months: http://popcon.ubuntu.com/
[13:34] <mns`> its released!
[13:34] <mns`> http://www.ubuntu.com/
[13:35] <FernandoMiguel> mns`: old
[13:36] <mns`> ahah
[13:36] <mns`> it would be nice a torrent link
[13:36] <tarzeau> i hope libreoffice font handling got improved
[13:36] <tarzeau> and unity or gnome 3 will have a proper file selector dialog, and multi video card/screen support
[13:37] <tarzeau> did they add libjpeg-turbo now?
[13:37] <Ian_Corne> !info libjpeg-turbo
[13:37] <tarzeau> indeed it's in universe, let's try...
[13:38] <Ian_Corne> lies!
[13:38] <tarzeau> Ian_Corne: it's called libjpeg-turbo62 (and progs)
[13:39] <tarzeau> no root-system though, and a very old condor
[13:39] <tarzeau> same old gimp
[13:40] <FernandoMiguel> mns`: http://torrent.ubuntu.com/releases/oneiric/release/
[13:40] <tarzeau> at least they got darktable
[13:40] <FernandoMiguel> bbl
[13:40] <FernandoMiguel> if I can
[13:58] <zniavre_> !fallback
[13:58] <zniavre_> !gnome-panel
[13:59] <zniavre_> i know the bot can answer about the fallback session but how ???
[13:59] <zniavre_> ^^
[14:01] <Pici> !notunity
[14:01] <zniavre_> Pici,  thank you
[14:03] <scoundrel50a> I just tried that and it gave all these critical errors, so it hasnt got to my server yet
[14:03] <scoundrel50a> will wait for a while, thank you
[14:05] <pangolin> Pici: is that factoid still chan specific?
[14:05] <Pici> !-notunity
[14:05] <Pici> yes
[14:05] <pangolin> should be global now no?
[14:06] <Pici> Let me do some edits to make it natty friendly.
[14:06] <pangolin> thank you :)
[14:06] <zniavre_> !unity
[14:09] <sebsebseb> !classic
[14:09] <sebsebseb> uh that's for 11.04 not 11.10 I think ^
[14:10] <zniavre_> ubottu,  is not updated yet
[14:10] <charlie-tca> !notunity
[14:11]  * Pici fixes !unity
[14:11] <charlie-tca> classic does not exist in Ubuntu 11.10
[14:11] <zniavre_> by default *
[14:11] <sebsebseb> charlie-tca: yep that's what I said
[14:12] <sebsebseb> !classic
[14:12] <Pici> !unity
[14:12] <Pici> Feel free to make suggestions to ubottu, we'll see them in -ops
[14:13] <zmbmartin> is anyone having a problem with unity being behind windows when bringing the computer out of sleep?
[14:13] <zmbmartin> If I start my laptop from sleep unity and all things related like alt-tab are behind any windows I have open.
[14:14] <sonicated> I've upgraded to Oneiric but now my VM will not boot. It stalls after mounting the drives. If I follow the OMGBroken instructions, type "mount / -o rw,remount" and then exec init it will boot but will fail on the next boot. Can anyone advise me on how to resolve this please?
[14:15] <sebsebseb> Pici: I thought this channel was going to close soon?
[14:15] <Pici> sebsebseb: we're discussing it
[14:15] <sebsebseb> ok
[14:16] <Pici> zmbmartin, sonicated: Oneiric support is in #ubuntu now, +1 is for 12.04
[14:16] <sonicated> Pici: Okay, thanks
[14:17] <leuty> Hi, I got redirected from the #Kubuntu channel. I need help with todays update 11.04->11.10. is this the right place?
[14:17] <sonicated> leuty: Oneiric support is in #ubuntu now, +1 is for 12.04
[14:17] <leuty> ok, thank you
[14:18] <BluesKaj> sonicated, how can that be , when 12,04 isn't out
[14:18] <csgeek> someone enlighten me on why this might not work...    I'm on natty, 11.04.  I tried to do a sudo do-release-upgrade -d and it tells me no new releases found
[14:18] <sonicated> Because Pici said it and I beleive him.
[14:19] <sonicated> :)
[14:19] <BluesKaj> leuty, just ask your question , ppl will help you
[14:19] <Pici> BluesKaj: Check the topic.
[14:19] <csgeek> never mind.. proxy issue
[14:19] <BluesKaj> Pici, c'mon , lets be sensible rather than dogmatic
[14:20] <charlie-tca> csgeek: try without the -d now
[14:21] <sebsebseb> Pici: except there isn't much to say about 12.04 yet, so probably best to close this channel down like useual for now really
[14:21] <charlie-tca> Once the release happens, it is no longer a development release, which the -d looks for
[14:21] <csgeek> it works fine.. the proxy wasn't letting it connect..
[14:21] <BluesKaj> besides,  Pici the upgrades aren't even in the repos for 11,10 here
[14:22] <Pici> BluesKaj: I'm probably going to be as strict today, but once 12.04 opens for development, it'll be different.
[14:23] <arand> Where can I find more info about the virtual tour that's available on the ubuntu.com page? I don't seem to find the corresponding LP project..
[14:23] <BluesKaj> strict...oh my goodness , how tolerant of you . Pici
[14:23] <Pici> !hammertime-#ubuntu-offtopic
[14:23] <Pici> BluesKaj: ;)
[14:23] <charlie-tca> I like that!
[14:24] <Pici> BluesKaj: I was joking... sort of... I think...
[14:24] <BluesKaj> yeah , sometimes too well in the text :)
[14:24] <BluesKaj> don't translate that is
[14:24] <leuty> BluesKaj: Thx for you support. I'll look somewhere else.
[14:24] <stodan> does the last status update mean, that fix is not working? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/806784
[14:25] <stodan> status:	 Fix Released → Confirmed
[14:26] <Pici> stodan: Looks like someone who shouldn't have changed the status changed it to fix-released. .
[14:26] <Pici> And then a dev changed it back.
[14:27] <BluesKaj> leuty, why not just ask your question
[14:28] <stodan> ah ok, i just tested it and was wondering whether it was included in current release
[14:28] <silverlightning> hi
[14:28] <silverlightning> is the +1 channel still active?
[14:28] <BluesKaj> nope we're all asleep :)
[14:29] <BluesKaj> silverlightning, just ask
[14:30]  * silverlightning hands out mugs of cappuccino
[14:30] <leuty> I encoundered a bug during the upgrade process of Kubuntu and I need some help reding the logfile.
[14:30] <silverlightning> I am in lubuntu from a few days ago, the final iso testing build. It still works nicely
[14:31] <leuty> are you willing to help me out?
[14:31] <silverlightning> should I just stick with it, or wold there be an advantage to a new install?
[14:32] <silverlightning> leuty, post a bin link and a clever guy or girl might figure something out
[14:32] <leuty> ok: http://paste.ubuntu.com/707361/
[14:34] <silverlightning> I am trying to figure out if a test release is just as good as the final release, as long as I do updates
[14:35] <silverlightning> any one who knows?
[14:36] <pangolin> yes. more help in #ubuntu
[14:37] <leuty> here's the other one: http://paste.ubuntu.com/707363/
[14:42] <silverlightning> leuty, slow here
[14:42] <silverlightning> leuty, are you on the Ubuntu channel, it's hectic there
[14:43] <leuty> silverlightning: I asked there, nobody responded. I'll try again
[14:46] <lcb> Hi. After latest updates i'm unable to launch any applications and menus - (running kubuntu for a while with all daily updates). Is there any way of solving this?
[14:47] <silverlightning> lcb, I had to do a new download, burn, and reinstall from cd
[14:48] <silverlightning> I had much the same issue in lubuntu daily build
[14:48] <lcb> silverlightning, is not a recent or fresh install. i'm using it from a while back...
[14:48] <silverlightning> lcb, you could try update from terminal
[14:48] <charlie-tca> !final
[14:48] <silverlightning> I see
[14:49] <silverlightning> charlie-tca: thanks : )
[14:49] <charlie-tca> silverlightning: that applies to all the derivatives, too
[14:49] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[14:49] <lcb> did it :) and  'apt-get chek'; '*-f install' 'dpkg --install a'
[14:49] <silverlightning> charlie-tca: I was a bit worried there, because I haven't got any updates in two days
[14:51] <charlie-tca> There is seldom updates the last day or two or three before things release. That's when testing is trying to make the images are good. Any changes have to be tested again
[14:51] <silverlightning> no updates yet
[14:51] <silverlightning> I see
[14:51] <charlie-tca> Might be updates tomorrow
[14:51] <lcb> silverlightning, is there any CLI command to force logout or the login screen in order to run this in 'safe mode'? ($logout doesn't run')
[14:51] <silverlightning> I remember last install I did, had a major load of updates, just a week after the release
[14:51] <charlie-tca> but no updates means you are at the same point as the cd now
[14:52] <charlie-tca> but it was a week after, not the day of...
[14:52] <lcb> last days is natural to have a bunch of updates
[14:52] <silverlightning> yes, you are right charlie-tca
[14:52] <silverlightning> not sure lcb
[14:53] <charlie-tca> no, lcb. Last days is normal not to have updates
[14:53] <lcb> charlie-tca, indeed last 48 hrs there were a lot..
[14:53] <silverlightning> if you logout in ctrl alt F1 you get in terminal
[14:54] <silverlightning> regular login, and you can enter desktop with sudo service lxdm restart
[14:54] <silverlightning> or in xubuntu, not lxde but?
[14:55] <lcb> silverlightning, i might reinstall everything tomorrow from official release, but now i'm stuck and i need to do a couple things on this pc. it's ok, i'll live with it :) tks
[14:55] <BluesKaj> charlie-tca, , lcb , I haven't had any updates in 24 hrs , even now with the official updates supposedly populated in the repos , I still get nothing.
[14:56] <charlie-tca> and that is correct. There have been no changes in 24 hours
[14:56] <lcb> BluesKaj, ok, probably i missed updates last days
[14:57] <silverlightning> charlie-tca: thanks, no need to worry then,
[14:57] <silverlightning> I am very happy with the new lubuntu
[14:57] <lcb> i'll install that one on one of pcs at home, tonigh
[14:57] <silverlightning> fresh install, and boots fast, runs nicely
[14:57] <lcb> *ght
[14:58] <silverlightning> lcb, I sometimes get a lighter running system with fresh install
[14:58] <silverlightning> noticeably so
[14:58] <lcb> silverlightning, yes. iĺl use it on an old pc to run a telephone answering system
[14:59] <silverlightning> lcb, lubuntu is very nice on anything low in specs, in 512MB ram runs like a new windows 7
[14:59] <silverlightning> even faster on some hardware
[14:59] <lcb> great, better than xubuntu
[15:00] <lcb> that's the idea of lubuntu, anyway
[15:00] <gnomefreak> did ldm replace gdm
[15:00] <silverlightning> Ubuntu has lagged something awful on some newer hardware here
[15:00] <silverlightning> not sure why, I suspect driver isses
[15:01] <silverlightning> and there are probably fixes
[15:01] <silverlightning> I have booted the new ubuntu in live cd, looks very nice
[15:04] <gnomefreak> i dont get why we are using ldm and not gdm
[15:04] <gnomefreak> because its lighteR?
[15:07] <silverlightning> I'm not that clever with xorg stuff
[15:07] <sebsebseb> gnomefreak: since it's better apparnatly
[15:07] <silverlightning> wish I was though !
[15:07] <sebsebseb> I guess
[15:08] <sebsebseb> gnomefreak: I think  also so the differnet versions of Ubuntu so like Kubuntu and Xubunt uand such, can use the same screen
[15:09] <gnomefreak> kubuntu still uses kdm. while installing k-desktop it gave me a choice to chose kdm or ldm
[15:10] <gnomefreak> i read show ldm a bit ago
[15:12] <silverlightning> hi veganadian
[15:22]  * gnomefreak missing something just cant think. be back going for smoke to think
[15:32] <gnomefreak> there used to be a hell of a lot more packages when searching for xubuntu packages
[15:33] <gnomefreak> did fglrx ever get fixed?
[15:33] <bjsnider> no
[15:34] <gnomefreak> bjsnider: waiting for upstream?
[15:34] <bjsnider> yes
[15:34] <gnomefreak> of course :(
[15:37] <gnomefreak> ok lets test this
[15:44] <gnomefreak> kde is a let down
[15:44] <sebsebseb> gnomefreak: oh?
[15:46] <gnomefreak> i thought plasma would bring a long 3D apps but i dont see anything that impresses me with plasma
[15:46] <gnomefreak> if you have secrets on how to fix this let me know
[16:21] <bjsnider> gnomefreak, you thought plasma would do what? your message wasn't clear to me
[16:30] <gnomefreak> add 3D gadgets maybe act like compiz  stuff like that
[16:30] <gnomefreak> not all at one time but i could have sworn when they made it it was to act like compiz
[16:31] <gnomefreak> trying to figure out ubuntu one sync atm
[16:36] <gnomefreak> i think i got a sound. someone say my nick
[16:36] <gnomefreak> please work
[16:36] <pangolin> gnomefreak:
[16:36] <gnomefreak> it works finally :)
[16:37] <gnomefreak> thanks pangolin
[16:37] <pangolin> sure thing
[16:37] <gnomefreak> not system beep but it will do.
[16:50] <stodan> ha... ubuntu on btrfs installs just fine from desktop version, it only fails with alternate
[16:55] <pahnin> I am using ubuntu beta how to upgrade to 11.10
[16:55] <jtaylor> sudo apt-get upgrade
[16:56] <Pici> *dist-upgrade
[16:56]  * FernandoMiguel aptitudes
[16:56] <pahnin> thnx
[17:14] <BluesKaj> hmmm, getting GPG error on the canonical partner repos
[17:16] <NoelJB> akgraner, did you ever get a chance to check that?
[17:40] <Mneumonic> Is anyone here running 11.10 with switchable graphics?
[17:40] <asdasdasdsd> Is it out ??
[17:41] <yofel> it is
[17:42] <BluesKaj> guess i must be up to date yofel , no upgrades at all today
[17:43] <FernandoMiguel> BluesKaj: LOL
[17:43] <FernandoMiguel> calm down friend
[17:43] <yofel> well yeah, the official 4.7.2 stuff that is uploaded can be found in -proposed
[17:43] <BluesKaj> FernandoMiguel, ??
[17:46] <asdasdasdsd> hello i need gnome 2
[17:48] <yofel> impossible in 11.10
[17:48] <yofel> you have gnome 3
[17:48] <asdasdasdsd> i need gnome 2
[17:48] <asdasdasdsd> because gnome 3 and unity shit
[17:49] <Ian_Corne> hmm, what partition table for a 3TB disk?
[17:50] <yofel> asdasdasdsd: then stay on 11.04
[17:50] <yofel> well, that solves it too ^^
[17:50] <yofel> Pici: was he messing around in the other #'s too?
[17:51] <Pici> yofel: long time problem user... and yes.
[17:51] <yofel> k, the nick did sound somewhat familiar...
[18:14] <nags> anyone noticing this ? http://pastebin.com/fvD9nvrs
[18:15] <yofel> nags: yep
[18:15] <nags> yofel, how do I resolve this ?
[18:16] <yofel> not sure if you can at your side, I think everyone's getting that
[18:17] <jason___> !upgrade
[18:18] <jason___> hrm
[18:19] <jason___> if Im on 11.10 beta what's the command for upgrading it to final release? Not seeing it in those links
[18:19] <yofel> !final
[18:20] <jussi> Ubuntu Precise just sounds wrong....
[18:20] <jason___> oh, final
[18:20] <jason___> thanks!
[18:21] <jason___> how different is apt-get upgrade vs apt-get dist-upgrade?
[18:21] <jason___> cause I ran upgrade on accident :/
[18:21] <Pici> This explains it best...
[18:21] <Pici> !dist-upgrade
[18:22] <jason___> when upgrade came back with a y/n, I hit n and then ran dist-upgrade
[18:22] <jason___> so we're good now
[18:22] <jason___> thanks!
[18:22] <nags> also I noticed, the dbus doesn't start, so networking X and doesn't work on Dell 6100 / NVidia, the same works in VM. My scenario was upgrade from 11.04 to 11.10 after RC. I found work around, going to single user mode. Remove /var/run/dbus/pid
[18:22] <nags> service dbus restart
[18:22] <nags> init 5
[18:22] <nags> after going to X, now start network-manager (service network-manager start)
[18:23] <nags> anyone else facing this issue
[18:23] <nags> @work, couple of systems I could reproduce
[18:23] <yofel> not here, dbus and nvidia work fine
[18:23] <nags> yofel, wow !
[18:25] <nags> yofel, you are lucky then :-)
[18:26] <yofel> check /var/log/messages or ~/.xsession-errors for dbus, and /var/log/Xorg.0.log for X
[18:28] <nags> yofel, I tried them, nothing useful info
[18:28] <nags> yofel, I get modem-manager error....
[18:29] <yofel> there should be a lightdm logfile too somewhere, but for dbus I'm out of ideas, not a dbus expert
[18:29] <nags> Oct 12 09:45:29 nagappan-laptop modem-manager[1274]: <info>  ModemManager (version 0.5) starting...
[18:29] <nags> Oct 12 09:45:29 nagappan-laptop modem-manager[1274]: Could not get the system bus. Make sure the message bus daemon is running! Message: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: Connection refused
[18:30] <nags> Oct 12 09:45:29 nagappan-laptop avahi-daemon[1268]: dbus_bus_get_private(): Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: Connection refused
[18:30] <nags> Oct 12 09:45:29 nagappan-laptop avahi-daemon[1268]: WARNING: Failed to contact D-Bus daemon.
[18:33] <yofel> heh, precise forum is open - http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=412
[18:34] <nags> yofel, let me check
[18:34] <yofel> nags: as for dbus, as I said - no idea
[18:34] <nags> yofel, ya I understand, thanks :-)
[19:10] <necreo> hmm seems like ccsm and nautilus still crash no matter what
[19:10] <necreo> I thought it would be fixed now oneiric is officially released
[19:10] <necreo> keep getting segmentation faults
[19:15] <Ian_Corne> It stopped crashing for me necreo
[19:24] <SetiAmon> ugh 14 hours
[19:31] <crash1hd> This is interesting, if I have my machine plugged into my old 19inch crt monitor via vga when I try to boot ubuntu 11.10 it gets to a certain point and the monitor shuts off like its out of sync but if I use my newer lcd monitor via dvi connection it boots fine? any idea how I can make it work with the vga?
[20:05] <famgod> if im running a 11.10 install that i installed a few weeks ago, is there a way to upgrade to the 'final' that was released today? or is there no point? if so, how do i upgrade?
[20:12] <jtaylor> famgod: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:25] <sandra> G'day my fellow Ubuntu inmates :-)
[20:25] <sandra> trust everyone is having a good day.
[20:27] <sandra> I just wanted to ask if there is any way to get the Gnome classic desktop to work on Oneiric ?
[20:27] <sandra> I know it works on Natty.
[20:28] <iceroot> sandra: if you mean gnome2, no
[20:28] <iceroot> sandra: also use #ubuntu
[20:28] <sandra> Is there a way to incorporate the gnome classic desktop into Oneiric ?
[20:28] <sandra> iceroot, Thanks I wish they would of left that option open on Oneiric.
[20:29] <robin0800> sandra, install gnome shell
[20:29] <Ian_Corne> !notunity
[20:29] <iceroot> sandra: gnome2 is no longer supported from the gnome-projekt
[20:29] <iceroot> sandra: so its useless to use gnome2 any longer (sec-updates)
[20:30] <iceroot> sandra: have a look at xfce4 (which looks like gnome2)
[20:30] <sandra> ubottu, thanks for the FYI :-)
[20:30] <iceroot> hm, gnome-panel sounds interesting
[20:31] <iceroot> its gnome3 with the gui of gnome2?
[20:31] <robin0800> iceroot, gnome3 classic looks like gnome2 to me
[20:31] <sandra> iceroot, I do like XFCE the only draw back to it is it's lack of being able to run a simple USB headset as default sound source.
[20:32] <iceroot> robin0800: i will have a look in some days
[20:33] <sandra> robin0000, Are you currently running gnome 3 classic ?
[20:37] <sandra> Could someone please tell me why the nautilus gsku option on Oneiric does not work?
[20:37] <robin0800> sandra, no I checked it out yesterday unity today
[20:39] <sandra> In the past I have been able to add "Open as Administrator" as a right click option on my desktop but for some reason on Oneiric it doesn't work the option is there in synaptic I click it but it fails to work.
[20:41] <robin0800> sandra, think its a bug run alt+f2 gksudo nautilus instead
[20:43] <sandra> robin0000, thank you I hope they fix that bug it's option I use a lot.
[20:51] <astro73|mal> aaaaaaaand there goes any chance I have for getting IRC support. I hate release day.
[20:53] <maxb> Crikey, the mirrors are really getting hammered
[20:58] <sandra> Well at least downloading 11.10 is going fast
[21:01] <astro73|mal> would anyone object loudly if I asked an 11.10 question?
[21:02] <yofel> loudly not, but 11.10 support is in #ubuntu
[21:02] <sandra> Ask away astro
[21:02] <sandra> never hurts to ask
[21:02] <yofel> true
[21:03] <Ian_Corne> go, while people are still awake! :D
[21:03] <astro73|mal> I installed oneric (sp) a few days ago. I ran update manager, so I'm current. But my ipod won't mount. Nautilus (and gvfs-mount) give the error "Not Authorized". I don't think I have anything funny going on.
[21:03] <Ian_Corne> hmm
[21:03] <bjsnider> gksu nautilus works here
[21:03] <Ian_Corne> that bug has been helped a few weeks ago already I think
[21:04] <astro73|mal> in the forums?
[21:04] <astro73|mal> ... are there forums anymore?
[21:05] <Ian_Corne> there are
[21:05] <Ian_Corne> I've seen the bug and seen it pass by here
[21:05] <Ian_Corne> I don't dwell the forums tho
[21:05] <Daekdroom> Is anyone else's Gwibber freezing frequently, and everytime that you try to type in the "Update Status" box?
[21:06] <sandra> bjsnider, I would love to know if the gksu right click option to "Open as Administrator" has been fixed so far that option is not working on Oneiric.
[21:06] <sandra> bjsnider, thanks for last night post :-)
[21:07] <bjsnider> oh, just do alt+f gksu nautilus
[21:07] <bjsnider> alt+f2
[21:07] <bjsnider> that is
[21:07] <pdq> i would hope nautilus-actions is on someones todo list for nautilus 3 :)
[21:08] <sandra> bjsnider, is there a work around for adding gksu right click over folder option ?
[21:08] <bjsnider> not that i know of
[21:08] <bjsnider> but i never use it
[21:09] <zniavre_> using nautilus script like witg gnome2.x
[21:09] <zniavre_> with*
[21:10] <sandra> I use the "Open as Administrator" option often
[21:11] <sandra> I knew how to add it in via synaptic and it's still there in Synaptic under Oneiric but installing it does not work .
[21:11] <bjsnider> why? that calls your use of linux somewhat into question
[21:12] <astro73|mal> Ian_Corne, any idea which bug it is? all the ones I'm seeing are either old, not fixed, or don't list how to fix it.
[21:13] <sandra> bjsnider, was that statement directed towards me ?
[21:13] <bjsnider> yes
[21:14] <bjsnider> root-owned files should pretty much be left alone
[21:14] <sandra> bjsnider, care to explain ? i have no idea what you mean.
[21:15] <bjsnider> why are you "often" changing files and folders that are root-owned?
[21:15] <sandra> bjsnider, Well when I want or need control of my OS when it comes to customizing it to my liking I need root control
[21:16] <bjsnider> probably not
[21:16] <NoelJB> sandra, I just Open in Terminal the folder, and then sudo emacs the file
[21:16] <bjsnider> local settings in config files owned by you take precedence over system-wide config
[21:16] <sandra> bjsnider, Well I'm still new to linux & Ubuntu so I'm alway's open to user friendly way's to accomplish certain tasks.
[21:18] <NoelJB> bjsnider, perhaps it is "common" for her now because she's still customizing things we've long since stopped touching.  Don't know.  Depends on what file(s) she's playing with.
[21:18] <NoelJB> sandra, what *are* you changing, anyway??
[21:18] <sandra> For example I 1st discovered the "Open as Administrator" option in a another Linux distro named Linuxmint 11 and I enjoy that ease of use when I need it.
[21:18] <NoelJB> Yes, but WHAT are you opening as root?
[21:18] <bjsnider> if she changes a root-owned file and makes a mistake on a file that has to be machine-readable, it's over
[21:20] <sandra> NoelJB, Well for example adding customized backgrounds in the background folder or adding themes manually can only be accessed as root.
[21:21] <sandra> And if I need to access a folder as root it's a user friendly function to be able to right mouse click over a folder and work w/it as root when needed.
 I do all of that sort of thing via the command line.  And if I need nautilus running as root, I can sudo nautilus.
[21:22] <NoelJB> But for adding backgrounds, there ought to be direct GUI support for it.
[21:22] <pdq> NoelJB, should be: gksudo nautilus
[21:23] <sandra> themes and icons
[21:23] <pdq> i miss all my other nautilus actions like rabbitvcs git control, had added split pane, open terminal into context menu
[21:23] <sandra> and once & while working w/files that require root functions.
[21:24] <sandra> if my dear departed husband could see me now he'd have a good laugh.
[21:24] <NoelJB> pdq, no, I meant what I said.  try it.  it works (they both do)
[21:24] <pdq> i would think other people enjoy that feature sandra, i'm sure someone working on it :P
[21:24] <NoelJB> Open In Terminal is there.  I use it all the time.
[21:25] <pdq> i know it works but can be dangerous should use gksudo for opening applications from terminal :)
[21:25] <NoelJB> pdq, in what way is there even a difference?
[21:25] <NoelJB> when you are already in the terminal?
[21:26] <sandra> One thing my husband taught me to do religiously is back up back up back up lol
[21:26] <NoelJB> sandra, good!
[21:26] <NoelJB> sorry to hear that he's departted.
[21:26] <sandra> NoelJB, Thank you kindly
[21:27] <pdq> NoelJB, http://askubuntu.com/questions/11760/what-is-the-difference-between-gksudo-nautilus-and-sudo-nautilus
[21:28] <NoelJB> pdq, yeah, not overly consequential for what I use it for.
[21:28] <NoelJB> the only difference is setting the home directory for the child process.
[21:29] <NoelJB> and if I've already done sudo -i, I just run nautilus directly.
[21:29] <pdq> ya
[21:30] <NoelJB> so ... since this is #ubuntu+1, any idea when we'll be able to point to the 12.04 repos and start playing?
[21:31] <bjsnider> couple weeks
[21:31] <bjsnider> but the initial commits will just be copied over from oneiric
[21:32] <NoelJB> bjsnider, understood.  that makes the transition smoother.
[21:32] <graft> err what? oneiric is out? hmm
[21:32] <NoelJB> graft, yes.  today.
[21:32] <graft> well, i assume that means all my outstanding issues with compiz will be solved if i update :)
[21:33] <graft> not to mention that the 3.0.0 kernel panics
[21:33] <pdq> i havent had any updates in last few days
[21:33] <bjsnider> yeah, sure, that's what it means
[21:34] <NoelJB> graft, no clue.  update and find out.  I was having absolutely rotten experience up until yesterday with Oneiric.  GUI hangs requiring me to ALT-F1 and restart ldm; and spontanteous system power-offs.  Between yesterdayt's updates and switching to us the -lowlatency kernel, I've gotten none of those problems since.  Which is good, since before that, I couldn't keep Oneiric running for an hour.
[21:34] <NoelJB> bjsnider, LOL
[21:35] <graft> hm should i be using ldm? I think i'm still using gdm
[21:35] <NoelJB> Lightdm it is here
[21:35] <graft> yeah is it any good?
[21:37] <sandra> NoelJB, What kernel did you switch too ?
[21:37] <NoelJB> the current -lowlatency kernel.  It is what you would normally use with Ubuntu Studio.
[21:37] <sebsebseb> hi
[21:37] <NoelJB> Matches the current -generic, but tweaked just a bit differently.
[21:37] <graft> what version is that, NoelJB?
[21:38] <sandra> NoelJB, I noticed that on kernel.org that they have a 3.0.4 kernel available
[21:39] <NoelJB> 3.0.0-12
[21:40] <NoelJB> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/?C=M;O=D if you a really desparate to play
[21:41] <NoelJB> https://launchpad.net/~abogani/+archive/ppa if you want the Ubuntu Studio low-latency kernel
[21:43] <graft> meh. I'll wait until they update the kernel
[21:43] <NoelJB> graft, +1
[21:44]  * NoelJB heads for airport.  cheers all.
[21:44] <kwisatzh4der4ch> Hi all. I was just wandering how ubuntu use Debian critical bugs report. Is there a chance that a debian packages with known critical bugs goes to an ubuntu releases with just a package rebuild ?
[21:44] <sandra> tc Noel
[21:44] <sandra> isn't kernel 3.0.4 a newer kernel then kernel <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[21:46] <graft> sandra: yeah, they just haven't put it into oneiric yet
[21:46] <sandra> I wonder why they wouldn't use the latest stable kernel ?
[21:47] <graft> because it takes time to test and package
[21:47] <graft> they'll get around to it in updates
[21:48] <graft> they probably have a bunch of custom patches they need to convert and so on
[21:55] <yofel> sandra: ubuntu kernel versions don't really have anything to do with the official kernel versions
[21:55] <yofel> and it's 3.0.0-12, not <IP_ADDRESS>
[21:56] <yofel> sandra: the full ubuntu kernel version would be 3.0.0-12.20, and it is based on official 3.0.4 looking at the changelog
[21:57] <sandra> odd numbering system they are employing then.
[21:58] <FernandoMiguel> we keep our own kernel tree and add patches
[21:58] <neglesaks> which kernel will cut the mustard?
[21:59] <bjsnider> kernels haven't really cut mustard because they lack knives
[21:59] <bjsnider> but that's a feature they're looking into
[22:00] <bjsnider> it would be tremendous to have the linux kernel prepare food
[22:00] <FernandoMiguel> LOL
[22:00] <yofel> :D
[22:01] <FernandoMiguel> I didn't know bjsnider had a sense of humor
[22:10] <graft> yofel: i don't think that's true
[22:11] <yofel> ?
[22:11] <graft> yofel: it looks like it's based on 3.0.0, that's what apt-cache show says
[22:12] <yofel> graft: no, apt-get changelog will show "rebase to v3.0.4" for 3.0.0-10.16
[22:12] <yofel> ubuntu doesn't incorporate upstream point versions into ubuntu kernel versions
[22:13] <sandra> graft, what version are you using ?
[22:13] <yofel> but well yeah, ofc. it's "based" on 3.0.0
[22:13] <graft> yofel: really? i'm pretty sure the kernel version numbers follow the linux versions exactly, other than the -[0-9\.]*$ part
[22:13] <yofel> it doesn't
[22:14] <yofel> then why didn't we have a <IP_ADDRESS> in natty?
[22:14] <graft> sandra: i'm still on 2.6.38, 3.0.0 kernel panics
[22:14] <bjsnider> they can backport code from newer kernels where appropriate
[22:15] <graft> yofel: i mean they follow up to X.major.minor
[22:15] <yofel> graft: now you're forgetting that Linus Torvalds changed the version numbering
[22:15] <yofel> it's now major.minor
[22:15] <bjsnider> major.minor.patch
[22:15] <yofel> oh right
[22:16] <yofel> 3.0.0 was just used instead of 3.0 since some of the scripts failed on the new versioning scheme
[22:16] <graft> err - so it's different from the 2.* series?
[22:16] <yofel> it is
[22:16] <graft> hm, weird
[22:16] <bjsnider> have you reported the panic issue?
[22:16] <graft> of course not :)
[22:16] <alex-> Any information yet for 12.04?
[22:16] <graft> i'll get around to it, just too busy with work for the moment
[22:17] <alexd285> hello, the UBuntu 11.10 recovery menu has totally broke, how I can reinstall it?
[22:17] <pangolin> alex-: it will have the code name Precise Pangolin
[22:17] <graft> also i'm not sure how to cut/paste kernel panic output, since my kernel is dead
[22:18] <yofel> take a photo of the screen
[22:18] <yofel> valid workaround
[22:18] <alex-> pangolin: any information about it?
[22:18] <alexd285> recovery menu, shows me only 3 options, then i make checkdisks, and then I have the normal recovery menu but i cant use it as it is in read mode
[22:18] <graft> yofel: yeah... i should get a camera... i was thinking i could write it down
[22:18] <yofel> that too, but IMO taking a photo is faster
[22:19] <alexd285> and if I press ctrl+alt+del X windows start normaly
[22:19] <sandra> well Ubuntu 11.10 64 bit finally downloaded time for a clean & fresh load.
[22:19] <pangolin> alex-: none
[22:19] <sandra> tc my fellow my Ubuntu inmates :-)
[22:19] <alexd285> any ideas how I can re-install recovery menu in ubuntu?
[22:19] <pangolin> alex-: UDS-P will be at the end of the month when they will map out 12.04
[22:20] <sandra> tc gentlemen
[22:22] <alex-> ok
[22:22] <alex-> UDS-P ?
[22:23] <yofel> !uds
[22:27] <bjsnider> they won't be able to do any productive summiting because orlando is just so much...
[22:27] <bjsnider> lost my train of thought
[22:29] <alex-> Ah
[22:29] <alex-> I forgot
[22:36] <csgeek> I just finished my upgrade to 11.10 and I don't have any sound...
[22:36] <csgeek> running KDE
[22:36] <graft> what's -P?
[22:36] <graft> in UDS-P, i mean
[22:37] <graft> oh Pangolin
[22:38] <graft> what happens when we get to Z? are we going to have like, Arcadian ἄρκτος after that?
[22:40] <yofel> he could switch alphabets
[22:43] <bjsnider> he's already used w
[22:43] <bjsnider> what happens is it's over and it begins again
[22:45] <graft> like a hurricane, eh
[22:45] <graft> it should go into unicode, dammit!
[22:46] <lucas-arg> unity is freezing all time...
[22:48] <graft> i'm disappointed with how hard it is to customize unity
[22:49] <csgeek> okay.. figured it out.. it was a phonon setting
[22:49] <graft> for example, i'd like to change how long it takes to go from single-icon to multiple-windows when i have, say, three inkscape windows open in the application switcher
[22:49] <graft> right now it is way too slow. seems like something you ought to be able to tweak, but you can't
[22:51] <graft> or, i used to be able to set the tooltip color in the 'appearance' window, which really helped with wonky KDE app tooltips... now i can't do that, for some reason
[22:51] <graft> because less choice is good in the new Apple-copying paradigm
[22:51] <graft> not that i am bitter about these things
[23:02] <Tixos> guys, is LVN full disk encryption supported in the desktop CD in 11.10 or not ?
[23:02] <Tixos> LVM*
[23:04] <FernandoMiguel> HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO ME:   *1f*
[23:30] <FernandoMiguel> ^^