[02:35] <pantz_> and i just rebooted into 686 - so it is still around :)
[02:35] <GotD0t-out> anybody have a clue as to how i can reduce the ringing from my CRT? besides of course changing the refresh rate?
[02:35] <hornbeck|away> atariboy:?
[02:35] <Zindar> pantz: linux-686 is just a metapackage
[02:35] <atariboy> hornbeck: hey
[02:36] <pantz_> Zindar, ok - so i can't remove it?
[02:36] <Zindar> pantz: linux-image-686 is the kernel
[02:36] <pantz_> ahhh
[02:36] <Zindar> no
[02:36] <Zindar> w8
[02:36] <hornbeck> atariboy: check the third line of the BeagleInstallHowto
[02:36] <gecco> hi
[02:36] <hornbeck> atariboy: the first line will give you mono in your sources
[02:36] <Zindar> pantz: sorry.. hold
[02:36] <|trey|> linux-image-2.6-<$ARCH> is right...
[02:36] <pantz_> Zindar, ok
[02:37] <Daidoji> re all :)
[02:37] <|trey|> you can have debfoster "keep" that... then it makes only keeping the newest installed kernel easier...
[02:37] <Zindar> pantz: linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-686 is the kernel
[02:38] <pantz_> ok and so i could apt-get remove linux-image-686?
[02:38] <|trey|> Zindar: what I said better manages kernel ver... debfoster should be edited via packages and kept away from users though  :)
[02:39] <Daidoji> I have a question : it seem that the (etc...) in filename under win32 are a great pb under ubuntu (for example, impossible to listen a mp3)
[02:39] <|trey|> Useful, but perhaps confusing, user CAN edit it if they know where the file is though  :)
[02:39] <pantz_> Zindar Oh - i see them all in synaptic now with a search for linux-image - should be ok now - thanks
[02:39] <Daidoji> does exist a solution ? (another than rename them /P )
[02:40] <gecco> can anbody help with a small problem in ubuntu-linux?
[02:40] <|trey|> Should definatly be frontends for grub menu items, and packages installed though... like a Debfoster frontend...
[02:41] <theine> is there a clean way to switch the window manager in gnome 2.8 rather than the infamous ``killall metacity && openbox'' or whatever?
[02:41] <|trey|> GRUB config like system-config-boot on Fedora... its a helpful tool, and keeps you away from CLI, which is good for a Desktop, cuz desktops are for clicking  :)
[02:42] <|trey|> theine: if you find one, let me know  :)
[02:43] <|trey|> theine: other then ~/.xinitrc of course + restart of X server...
[02:43] <gecco> i installed the latest firfox and removed the 0.93-version. Now i want ubuntu to use the new firefox as the default-application for www - links
[02:44] <Daidoji> erf. in fact it seems that i have an overall pb with the 'codec' : When i would like to play a simple mp3 for example, totem or rythm does not know what to do :( ... ("Failed to Play : reason unknown" or "couldn't locate mp3 plugin")... erf :S
[02:44] <Daidoji> gecco : preference, prefered application, no ?
[02:44] <Treenaks> Daidoji: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[02:45] <Daidoji> Treenaks, thanks, i go see
[02:45] <gecco> daidoji: i tried, but it doesn't work
[02:45] <Daidoji> gecco : i'll try in some sec.
[02:45] <gecco> ok
[02:45] <Daidoji> Treenaks, Thanks :)
[02:46] <Treenaks> gecco: see that page too
[02:47] <Kamion> plovs_work: hm, only problem with renaming DebuggingXautoconfiguration is that we've pointed a lot of people to that in mailing list posts and such, and now that leads to a nasty not-found page
[02:47] <gecco> this one? http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[02:47] <mrjive> cannot find the link to the faq page for totem/divx .... can someone.... please... ;)
[02:48] <hornbeck> Kamion: renaming?
[02:48] <gecco> http://www.theora.org/
[02:49] <gecco> mrjive: http://www.theora.org/
[02:49] <Daidoji> gecco : i just tried with mozilla in place of firebird, and no pb :S. i just switch in the preference/applications prfrs (in french sorry)
[02:50] <Daidoji> Treenaks, the pb is that i already have installed the library (mad) for mp3 ^^;;
[02:51] <gecco> Daidoji: Do you can download the newest Firefox? www.mozilla.org and try with it?
[02:51] <Kamion> hornbeck: to XautoconfigurationDebug apparently
[02:51] <chowells2> is there any packages for ubuntu of xine with encrypted DVD support?
[02:51] <Daidoji> gecco : no, i only took the mozilla 1.5 distrib debian
[02:52] <hornbeck> Kamion: was that a problem?
[02:52] <Kamion> hornbeck: see what I just said?
[02:52] <LinuxJones> chowells , >>  http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[02:52] <gecco> The newest Firefox has an automatic Plugin-function..... no more manual plugin installing needed
[02:52] <Treenaks> Daidoji: did you restart the program?
[02:52] <Daidoji> Treenaks, yes.
[02:52] <hornbeck> Kamion: yeah I see
[02:53] <cenerentola> im enrico_ i just wanted to know if the nvidia driver are embedded in the installation
[02:53] <gecco> if there is a plugin like flashplayer is missing it starts an automatic installation
[02:53] <Treenaks> gecco: DON'T install that firefox.. it's buggy and 0.9.3 works fine
[02:53] <Daidoji> gecco : you talk about the 1.0Pr?
[02:53] <Kamion> hornbeck: maybe we could add a placeholder page or something if the renaming's important
[02:53] <gecco> Daidoji: yes
[02:53] <Treenaks> gecco: apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[02:53] <pisuke> gecco,  if only it installed the java plugin. at least with flash works
[02:53] <Daidoji> Treenaks, I have the same pb under rythm too
[02:53] <hornbeck> Kamion: I will talk to plovs about that
[02:53] <Kamion> ta
[02:53] <Treenaks> Daidoji: you might need to logout/login
[02:54] <gecco> hmmm
[02:54] <Daidoji> Treenaks, oki, i will try.
[02:55] <Daidoji> Treenaks, by the way, after reading the page you give me the url : all my anime fansub wich is in XVid/OGM is at put on trash ? :S
[02:55] <Daidoji> be back
[02:56] <cenerentola> hey... are the nvidia driver included in the installation media=?
[02:56] <stvn> hm
[02:57] <LinuxJones> cenerentola, no they are in restricted, but the nv dirver is available
[02:58] <mrjive> gecco: mmm wasn't there a page on ubuntulinux.org?
[02:58] <gecco> mrjive: this is the site from ubuntu
[02:58] <deFrysk> cenerentola, see http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:59] <plovs_work> Kamion, i'll add a link, sorry
[02:59] <Kamion> plovs_work: cool, thanks
[03:02] <plovs_work> Kamion, ok, back on track
[03:02] <SavuZiil> how can i access the trash bin if i accidentally removed it from the taskbar
[03:02] <hornbeck> plovs_work: I have a email going to devel about this type stuff, please add your input.
[03:02] <cenerentola> how can i open a terminal
[03:03] <thomerz> anybody here who can help me with gdesklets?
[03:03] <Treenaks> SavuZiil: right-click the panel, Add new item to panel, trashcan
[03:03] <Treenaks> cenerentola: right-click on the desktop, click Open Terminal in the menu
[03:03] <SavuZiil> Treenaks: thanx
[03:03] <Pizbit> SavuZiil: You can put it back again:) Or look in nautilus and click on one of the menus at the top, it'll have Trash or something in it
[03:03] <plovs_work> hornbeck, hi! what stuff, redirecting/renaming?
[03:04] <Pizbit> Ah, "places"
[03:04] <hornbeck> plovs_work:yes
[03:05] <plovs_work> hornbeck, what do you think, should we duplicate stuff that is also on the www.ubuntulinux.org site? there it is not editable
[03:05] <cenerentola> hey hey i got a bug error
[03:05] <Treenaks> cenerentola: bug error?
[03:05] <cenerentola> ..big error
[03:05] <cenerentola> "*Starting hotplu subsystem..
[03:06] <plovs_work> about renaming what do you want me to add? renaming is a bad habit(TM), but until the wiki runs smoothly it might happen every once in a while
[03:06] <Treenaks> cenerentola: yes, and?
[03:06] <hornbeck> plovs_work:Iam running right now so post in mailing about it
[03:06] <ctalkep> anyone here know how the translation of ubuntu is going?
[03:06] <cenerentola> modprobe: FATAL: Error inserting shpchp (/lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386/kernel/drivers/pci/hotplug/shpchp.ko) : Operation not permitted
[03:06] <plovs_work> hornbeck, about duplicating eg qemu emulation used to be on the wiki and then got removed and put on www.ubunt.... no I wouldn't have found it I only read the wiki
[03:07] <plovs_work> hornbeck, ok
[03:07] <cenerentola> modprobe: FATAL: error inserting pciehp (lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386/kernel/drivers/pci/hotplug/pciehp.ko): operation permitted
[03:07] <cenerentola> "
[03:07] <cenerentola> what's that?
[03:08] <hornbeck> plovs_work: I think there are alot of areas we are going to have to address but I think enrico wants alot more input than we are letting him have, so it is just better to do most discussion on the mailing list
[03:08] <senectus> I'm having weird problems with the wireless in my thinkpad.. anyone here have time to help me for a bit?
[03:08] <Treenaks> cenerentola: it shouldn't matter if the system starts normally
[03:09] <cenerentola> treenaks: yeah... but i dont like errors
[03:09] <thomerz> anybody here who can help me with gdesklets?
[03:09] <cenerentola> mainly at boot time
[03:09] <Treenaks> cenerentola: file a bug then
[03:10] <cenerentola> is it a bug?... thought just a configuration error
[03:10] <Treenaks> cenerentola: if it errors it's a bug, I guess
[03:10] <Pizbit> Gah, only sound for half a second at the start of this asf
[03:11] <stvn> cenerentola: I have the same error, but since my computer works just gine, I've learned to ignore it ;)
[03:11] <mirak_-> good morning all
[03:14] <LinuxJones> hi mirak_
[03:21] <stvn> hi, is it possible that mounted directories do /not/ appear on the desktop?
[03:21] <plovs_work> hornbeck, ok, send it to the list
[03:22] <hornbeck> I replyed already:)
[03:22] <patrick1548> can someone tell me how to add a ohoto to 'happy gnome with browser' graphical greeter?
[03:22] <stvn> oh I found it laready
[03:22] <patrick1548> can someone tell me how to add a photo to 'happy gnome with browser' graphical greeter?
[03:23] <Kamion> plovs_work: the plan eventually is to link the wiki into the web site, so I'd recommend against duplicating content for now.
[03:24] <hornbeck> Kamion: Will the wiki always not stand though?
[03:24] <Kamion> "always not stand"?
[03:24] <patrick1548> PLZ
[03:25] <hornbeck> Kamion: Until doc writers are able to update the website(which I don't see happening anytime soon), will we not need duplication
[03:25] <stvn> patrick1548: save a photo as .face in your home dir
[03:25] <hornbeck> Kamion: sorry, will it not always be there
[03:25] <Kamion> hornbeck: actually I thought there was a plan to get non-Canonical people updating the web site in the near future, but I don't know ...
[03:25] <Kamion> hornbeck: sure, the wiki won't be obsoleted, I was talking about linking the two together not removing the wiki
[03:26] <hornbeck> Kamion: I have not been told so, so no doc member that I know of is planning on this
[03:26] <Kamion> hornbeck: not your plan ... :)
[03:26] <Kamion> hornbeck: the website people
[03:26] <LinuxJones> Can someone please install and run chkrootkit. I have 14 hidden processes running and possible  LKM Trojan installed. I am hoping if it is just a false alarm :)
[03:26] <hornbeck> Kamion: the wiki is being mainly updated by the doc people right now so I guess we will need to join forces with the web people
[03:27] <jacob> No updates released for WW so far ight?
[03:27] <Kamion> hornbeck: yeah, I know
[03:27] <Kamion> jacob: not yet
[03:27] <hornbeck> Kamion: who are web people?
[03:28] <Kamion> hornbeck: lu and silbs I think
[03:28] <Treenaks> LinuxJones: are you running it as root?
[03:28] <LinuxJones> Treenaks, yes
[03:28] <Treenaks> LinuxJones: what programs did you install?
[03:29] <hornbeck> Kamion: I will touch base with them on all this than
[03:29] <LinuxJones> Treenaks, I have no services running and a firewall. I jsut usually idel here in IRC ans websurf. I am pretty sure it is jsut a false-positive.
[03:29] <Treenaks> LinuxJones: is it ubuntu?
[03:29] <LinuxJones> god my typing is horrible ;(
[03:29] <LinuxJones> Treenaks, oh yes
[03:29] <Treenaks> LinuxJones: default kernel?
[03:30] <LinuxJones> Treenaks, ya i386
[03:30] <Treenaks> LinuxJones: does netstat  tell you if any ports are open (listening)?
[03:30] <LinuxJones> Treenaks, no netstat -tap shows nothing
[03:30] <LinuxJones> Treenaks, except for xchat that is
[03:31] <thomerz> anybody here who can help me with gdesklets?
[03:32] <Treenaks> thomerz: the manual, probably
[03:32] <LinuxJones> Treenaks, lsof -i shows just my running (desktop) applications and dhclient3
[03:34] <siretart> hi
[03:34] <LinuxJones> siretart, hello
[03:34] <iz> thomerz, whats the problem?
[03:34] <siretart> im trying to install warty with the installer cd. partman fails to detect my existing partitions
[03:34] <siretart> what can I do to debug the problem?
[03:35] <LinuxJones> siretart, someone last night had the same problem, he had a sata hard drive.
[03:36] <siretart> LinuxJones: this is an ibm thinkpad r40, plain ide
[03:36] <LinuxJones> siretart, that's odd
[03:36] <siretart> funny: a `fdisk -l /dev/ide0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc` shows all partitions
[03:37] <maswan> daniels: If you're still around, why the ifup on ath0 and eth1? I don't have eth1 listed as auto in interfaces for a reason..
[03:37] <LinuxJones> siretart, you might want to look @ bugzilla someone else had the same problem last week.
[03:37] <siretart> I dont want to kill the partition table but install ubuntu to /dev/hda2. perhaps I have to debbootstrap it :/
[03:37] <maswan> daniels: in resume.sh that is.
[03:38] <daniels> hrm
[03:38] <daniels> i just didn't really change the default behaviour
[03:38] <siretart> LinuxJones: i just checked bugs.debian.org/partman, nothing applicable. i'll now consult ubuntus bugzilla
[03:39] <SmokingFire> teest
[03:39] <siretart> LinuxJones: did you mean #2412?
[03:40] <siretart> SmokingFire: success
[03:40] <SmokingFire> siretart: just trying as on other irc servers when I typed something I got disconnected.
[03:40] <Kamion> siretart: does 'parted -s /dev/discs/disc0/disc print' show all partitions?
[03:41] <LinuxJones> siretart, I don't know the exact reference but the person with the problem was going to submitt a bug to Ubuntu bugzilla
[03:41] <Pizbit> Ooops
[03:41] <theine> anybody using the intel ipw2100 wireless card in here?
[03:43] <Daidoji> hello again
[03:43] <siretart> Kamion: i get an error message about not beeing able to align partiton (whatever that means)
[03:43] <gnuyen> if you have a /dev/md device inside of fstab set as auto, how does that mount before the mdadm service starts?
[03:43] <Daidoji> Treenaks, it seem that my pb is bind to my soundcard in fact !(-
[03:43] <Kamion> siretart: well, that would explain the problem, at any rate
[03:43] <Treenaks> Daidoji: uh? sorry?
[03:43] <Kamion> siretart: now you have something more concrete to google for :)
[03:43] <Daidoji> Treenaks, The pb was : coulnd't listen mp :)
[03:43] <siretart> Kamion: on my way. thank you! :)
[03:44] <maswan> daniels: Ok. Odd then, well, should be working now. Just testing it. :)
[03:44] <siretart> Kamion: do you think that specifying the geometry of the disc as kernel parameter would help?
[03:45] <Daidoji> Treenaks, The pb was that i couldn't use mp3, ogg, or anything multimedia. i have installed all the library needed (mad for example) and no progress. So , i tried one of the system sound, and no sound at all :S. so i think that my pb is bind to my soundcard. And dunno where watch to resolve it :S (on mandrake i know, but here....)
[03:45] <Kamion> siretart: guess it's possible, but I don't know much more than you here
[03:46] <daniels> maswan: rad
[03:46] <maswan> daniels: .. damn.
[03:47] <maswan> daniels: My testing just hit the same thing of not saying anything after cpyfreq: resume failed to assert...
[03:47] <daniels> it hung after that?
[03:47] <dkg> hej!
[03:47] <daniels> i get that all the time and it seems to be non-fatal
[03:47] <daniels> you're removing ipw2100 and ipw2200?
[03:47] <dkg> now gnome doesnt want to start anymore.
[03:47] <maswan> daniels: yeah
[03:47] <dkg> without any error message.
[03:47] <maswan> daniels: and yeah
[03:47] <dkg> what happend?
[03:47] <daniels> wow
[03:48] <maswan> daniels: And I get that all the time, even when it is working
[03:48] <maswan> daniels: It is just that the stuff that usually prints after cpufreq never happens.
[03:48] <lrn> I had all the time the beta release
[03:48] <dkg> after gdm I login.
[03:48] <lrn> now i need to download again the iso ?
[03:48] <maswan> daniels: It might be rarer now when removing them, I don't know yet. Need to get a significant sample first. ;)
[03:48] <daniels> yeah, that's really weird
[03:48] <dkg> then the cursor, then nothing.
[03:48] <daniels> heh, yeah
[03:48] <daniels> you have an x40, yeah?
[03:48] <dkg> is it a well known bug?
[03:48] <maswan> yeah
[03:48] <lrn> any one ?
[03:49] <dkg> hello?
[03:49] <JanneM> lrn: no
[03:49] <Kamion> lrn: no, see http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/WartyWarthog/UpgradeNotes
[03:49] <lrn> so only apt-get update;apt-get upgrade ?
[03:49] <dkg> I've to give a talk. it will be bad without a running windowmanager.
[03:49] <dkg> help me, please..
[03:49] <maswan> daniels: with ipw2100 module load
[03:49] <Kamion> lrn: see the wiki page for additional instructions
[03:49] <MarcN> My laptop is running debian/sarge and I'm using grub.  Will installing warty in a free partition going to trash my current grub install?
[03:49] <maswan> Kamion: btw, sorry about the double mail, I just thought of it after sending the mail.
[03:50] <daniels> maswan: loaded, or rmmod'ed?
[03:50] <Kamion> MarcN: it'll overwrite it, but it should suck the configuration out of your existing grub install
[03:50] <Kamion> maswan: no problem
[03:50] <dkg> I#ll doo a apt-get upgrade
[03:51] <MarcN> Kamion: so I if I want to ditch warty (I'm sure it is wonderful), just boot my current sarge and run grub-install?
[03:51] <dkg> hopefully its working afterwards.
[03:51] <Daidoji> where i must see to get my soundcard propertie under ubuntu ?
[03:51] <maswan> daniels: Well, it is what is loaded when running, and I just verified that the rmmod line in suspend.sh does remove that from lsmod listing.
[03:51] <thomerz> anybody here who can help me with gdesklets?
[03:51] <bipolar> I'd like to make a suguestion to the packagers. Dump gpilot and switch to using multisync. :)
[03:51] <Kamion> MarcN: believe so (either that or update-grub)
[03:51] <Kamion> probably grub-install
[03:52] <maswan> daniels: This time resume worked, the next line is PM: [something something] , after the cpufreq line. But you probably know that.
[03:54] <MarcN> Kamion: I'll give it a try later.  (and will be back if it fscks up my laptop ;-)
[03:54] <Kamion> MarcN: heh
[03:57] <patrick1548> how do i add a photo to happy gnome with browser
[03:57] <jacob> Is there some kind of up2date notifyer in development, similar to FedoraCores up2date-applet ?
[03:57] <lrn> im looking for ftp clinet that can do FXP
[03:58] <patrick1548> how do i add a photo to happy gnome with browser
[03:58] <daniels> maswan: yeah
[03:59] <maswan> daniels: down to 1 failure out of 5 resumes now. :)
[03:59] <patrick1548> how do i add a photo to happy gnome with browser graphical greeter
[04:00] <lrn> im looking for ftp clinet that can do FXP
[04:00] <SavuZiil> how can i install mp3 codec in ubuntu
[04:01] <mirak_-> savuziil, enable the universe.....and install gstreamer0.8-mad
[04:02] <SavuZiil> enable the universe??
[04:03] <lrn> im looking for ftp clinet that can do FXP
[04:04] <iminj> Hi: I need some post-installation help with my soundcard ... sb awe64.  It wasn't recognized by unbuntu
[04:05] <jaldhar> Does Canonicals free CD offer apply to anywhere in the world?
[04:06] <cpark> I believe it does, not 100% sure though.
[04:07] <iminj> I did modprobe snd-sbawe, and now I have sound, HOW do I get this into /etc/modules so it will stay permanent
[04:07] <Treenaks> iminj: sudo nano /etc/modules
[04:07] <lrn> im looking for ftp clinet that can do FXP
[04:08] <Treenaks> lrn: what's FXP
[04:08] <jaldhar> cpark: I know some Indian developers who want to do Debian related stuff but apt-getting on a regular basis is too expensive.  So I'm suggesting they use Ubuntu instead.
[04:08] <jaldhar> Treenaks: the betamax of file transfer
[04:08] <lrn> transfer files from one FTP to other FTP
[04:08] <Treenaks> lrn: ah, l33t h4x0rw4r3z
[04:08] <moyote> Has anyone gotten xmms to work out of the box??
[04:09] <cpark> jaldhar: Ahhh...cool. Like I said, I'm not 100% sure, but if they (or you) order CD's from ShipIt! I'm sure that if Canonical won't ship to India they will let you know.
[04:09] <lrn> Treenaks lol no
[04:09] <lrn> im not an hacker :P
[04:09] <Treenaks> lrn:
[04:09] <lrn> just want to move some files from my ftp to another ftp of mine
[04:09] <Treenaks> lrn: I didn't say hacker, I said h4x0r
[04:09] <Treenaks> lrn: there's a difference there
[04:09] <lrn> i don`t know it
[04:09] <Treenaks> http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/
[04:10] <iminj> Treenaks: i did sudo nano /etc/modules ... but my snd-sbawe not on the list of modules
[04:11] <Treenaks> iminj: add it!
[04:11] <vstansvik> Hi, where would I turn if I'm interested in helping translating ubuntu to swedish?
[04:12] <iminj> Treenaks: which part of the file is editblr? sorry, I'm 99% noob
[04:12] <iminj> editable
[04:13] <jaldhar> vstansvik: actual packages or other Ubuntu materials?
[04:13] <Treenaks> iminj: just add it at the end
[04:14] <iminj> seems only the top [part of the file can be written on .. the list of modules can't be edited?
[04:14] <vstansvik> jaldhar: how is the changes ubuntu has made to gnome stored? is there a CVS/arch repository with patches or what?
[04:15] <Kamion> vstansvik: there will be eventually (and likewise, a good translation infrastructure will be up eventually, we have people working on it)
[04:16] <Kamion> vstansvik: for the moment, we're just doing it by steam, by uploading Debian source packages
[04:16] <jaldhar> Kamion: would you know off hand if Canonical will ship CDs to India?
[04:17] <daniels> jaldhar: it might take a while, but they will get there
[04:18] <vstansvik> Kamion: okay. that sounds great.
[04:19] <MyKq3> when i m trying to run a program with hebrew support i resive this error from the sys  Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library.      Using the fallback 'C' locale.** Message: found NET_WM. now i have fixed my loacls and i don't find any ralevent info on google .... any idea ?
[04:19] <jaldhar> daniels: thanks.  There are some Indian developers interested in Debian but apt-getting on a regular basis is too expensive for them.  So I thought Ubuntu would be a good fit for them
[04:20] <daniels> jaldhar: awesome
[04:21] <jeld> hello all
[04:21] <Treenaks> jaldhar: doesn't ubuntu involve as much apt-getting as debian stable?
[04:22] <iminj> Need help editing /etc/modules. Did sudo nano /etc/modules, entered the missing module (my sound card). Now, HOW do I save this change ?
[04:22] <MyKq3> :/
[04:23] <Treenaks> iminj: it has been saved
[04:23] <vstansvik> Kamion: any time estimate on "eventually"?
[04:23] <polok_> I'm off to bed
[04:23] <jaldhar> Treenaks: hopefully the six-month releases will be doable.  then they will be at best only a few months behind rather than three years
[04:23] <Treenaks> iminj: you can either reboot (so the module will be loaded) or load the module, using sudo modprobe snd-awe
[04:23] <Treenaks> jaldhar: true, true
[04:23] <polok_> g'night everyone
[04:23] <iminj> Treenaks .. so I just enter the line, and close the file?
[04:23] <Treenaks> iminj: add a line, save the file
[04:23] <iminj> amd then rebootz?
[04:23] <Treenaks> iminj: then close the editor
[04:24] <Treenaks> iminj: well, you don't have to reboot
[04:24] <Treenaks> iminj: just sudo modprobe <the line you just added>
[04:24] <Treenaks> iminj: but are you really sure it isn't autoloaded (plug & play drivers tend to auto-load)
[04:24] <iminj> Treenaks .... nope it never autoloaded snd-sbawe ...
[04:25] <Treenaks> iminj: well, sudo modprobe snd-sbawe then
[04:25] <Treenaks> iminj: that should work
[04:25] <leyman> hi everyone
[04:25] <Treenaks> iminj: if you've saved /etc/modules, it'll get re-loaded when you reboot
[04:26] <iminj> ahh ... how do i save the modified /etc/modules?
[04:26] <jaldhar> lminj: in nano it is CTRL-X
[04:26] <bipolar> now that warty is out, is HoaryHedgehog ready for testing?
[04:27] <vstansvik> Is there an apt repository usable with ubuntu that has MonoDevelop?
[04:27] <leyman> tried to install ubuntu the other day but the (manual) partitioning tool told me my existing /home partition could not be used, any ideas?
[04:27] <vstansvik> I tested one that someone posted in an osnews comment, but it seemed to be down or something...
[04:27] <leyman> vstansvik, http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs/
[04:29] <iminj> after CTRL-X, I am asked if i want to save the buffer ... I said 'Y'. Now it offers various append prepend backup choices ...
[04:29] <green_> hi all i couldnt find where is the samba server executable file? i mean how to start/stop/restart smbd ?? thank in adv.
[04:30] <iminj> which choice should i pick?
[04:30] <henrj> can someone tell me how do i enable apache on ubuntu? I couldnt find the conf file in /etc and i dont see the service in /etc/init.d
[04:30] <henrj> ?
[04:30] <vstansvik> leyman: thanks, but what should I set the "Distribution" and "Section" fields to (in synaptic) ?
[04:31] <WW> Hello world.
[04:31] <moyote> :-)
[04:32] <leyman> vstansvik, i don't know, i'm running fedora still, try to just put the line in synaptic and see what happens...
[04:32] <WW> Quick question (maybe?): How do I enable quicktime in Firefox? (A pointer to a FAQ/Howto would be fine.)
[04:33] <vstansvik> leyman: ok.
[04:33] <iminj> Can anyone help me finish editing my /etc/modules .. using nano? I added the missing module, acceptd "Y" to add the buffer change. Now I have another screen of various options ......
[04:34] <loz> WW: difficult in some ways.  What you need to get is mplayer and mplayer-plugin or mplayerplug-in (I forget which it's called).  You need to compile them from source, but read the mplayer FAQ/Howto for quicktime support, then mplayer plugin does the embedded media player (handles wmv etc. too) and is coming along nicely with proper support.  -- there is the added bonus of right click and save to ;)
[04:35] <vstansvik> leyman: hmm. the url you gave med doesn't seem to be a valid repository (no dists directory etc)
[04:36] <mikedo> Can't get my sound :(. I have ISA Soundblaster 16 anybody?
[04:36] <WW> loz: I have the mplayer package from marillat's repository installed.  Can I use that?  (OK to tell me RTFM :-)
[04:36] <Kamion> vstansvik: no idea of timescales; I'm not involved in that side of things.
[04:36] <jaldhar> lminj: you want to select the overwrite option.
[04:36] <Kamion> bipolar: no, not yet
[04:36] <vstansvik> Kamion: okay
[04:37] <port7> installing vmware on ubuntu, it needs kernel headers
[04:37] <iminj> jaldhar: i see "to files" .... also append .. which one?
[04:37] <port7> can't find the right kernel headers in universe
[04:37] <Kamion> port7: not in universe.
[04:37] <Kamion> port7: linux-headers-*; they're on the CD, even.
[04:37] <port7> ta
[04:37] <henrj> vstansvik, go here: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
[04:37] <henrj> vstansvik, for your mono question
[04:38] <port7> Kamion: will have a look
[04:38] <jaldhar> lminj: I guess to files.   I did have a problem with my wireless card though. It worked for install, but now the interface is not recognized by the OS
[04:40] <jdw> Dell C640
[04:40] <iminj> I'm gonna reboot, and see if my sound card loads
[04:40] <iminj> ciao
[04:41] <loz> WW: does mplayer that you have play quicktime.  if not might just need codecs, otherwise go to mplayer homepage.  You'll still need to get mplayer plugin which is independant as it just calls it (i think)
[04:43] <henrj> Need help setting up apache in Ubuntu, someone who can put me in the right direction?
[04:45] <mikedo> Anybody knows what file to modify to get sound on my box. It's ISA soundblaster 16. I did some changes to /etc/modules.conf and it worked for a while till i upgraded system
[04:46] <WW> loz: I'm not sure--I'll play around with mplayer and read the docs.  Thanks for your help.
[04:46] <loz> WW: no problem
[04:47] <henrj> I've installed apache2 and the problem is solved. It seems that Ubuntu doesn't support apache 1.3.
[04:48] <ccox> hello
[04:48] <ccox> hey I was wondering if somone could help me with an issue I am having with alsa?
[04:49] <ccox> hey I was wondering if somone could help me with an issue I am having with alsa?
[04:50] <acamargo> ccox, please, ask your question and wait... if someone is able to answer you, I think he/she will :-)
[04:50] <ccox> ok
[04:50] <dablitz_> I was wondering if someone here can give me a hand mounting a usb stick
[04:51] <ccox> is there any way to pass options to a device configured through hotplug? Problem is I need to pass ac7_quirk to the module but hotplug auto configures it
[05:02] <maswan> daniels: hmm.. I was just about to say "seems to be over, just that one out of ten now", but I just got another non-resume. :)
[05:08] <dablitz_> I was wondering if someone here can give me a hand mounting a usb stick
[05:08] <dablitz_> please
[05:09] <jdw> dablitz: do you see the stick being detected by the kernel when you plug it in?
[05:09] <dablitz_> no
[05:10] <jdw> are the USB modules loaded?
[05:10] <dablitz_> when i plug it in, I get nothing but the light comming on
[05:10] <skar> hi, how do i update a particular deb package?
[05:11] <dablitz_> but when I plug in any of my ther usb devices they work
[05:12] <jdw> In order to do a USB memory device, the scsi disk subsystem needs to be loaded. The stick will appear as a SCSI disk.
[05:13] <stvn> skar: apt-get update to get the latest versions and than you can select the package for upgrading by hand with aptitude or synaptic, or just do apt-get dist-upgrade to upgrade everything
[05:13] <dablitz_> ok thnaks
[05:13] <cenerentola> halo ppl
[05:14] <cenerentola> another warty-question
[05:14] <cenerentola> how can i edit system files
[05:14] <cenerentola> ?
[05:14] <cenerentola> i mean if i open them with gedit, it's read-only
[05:15] <jdw> dablitz: good luck.
[05:15] <submax> hello, is there an italian person????
[05:15] <cenerentola> me
[05:15] <L3th3M> hi to all!
[05:16] <L3th3M> I can start root session
[05:16] <ajame> which kernel on warty?
[05:16] <L3th3M> because the password is bad
[05:16] <cenerentola> you don't need it
[05:16] <ajame> <IP_ADDRESS>?
[05:17] <L3th3M> but when I write su - on a terminar, it enter without problems
[05:17] <cenerentola> lethem: just use your user pwd
[05:17] <plovs_work> Kamion, I also send this to ubuntu-devel, but what i do not like about the wbside is not being able to edit it...
[05:17] <plovs_work> Kamion, static sites are so nineties :)
[05:17] <L3th3M> but cups (localhost:631) requires the root access
[05:18] <L3th3M> what?happen with the root session on ubuntu?
[05:18] <L3th3M> this is a bug of ubuntu?
[05:18] <Kamion> plovs_work: like I say, I think there's a plan to fix that one way or another.
[05:19] <L3th3M> who can answer me?
[05:19] <plovs_work> Kamion, ok, nice to hear
[05:20] <plovs_work> Kamion, it's just that i had been fighting with nfs and then it was there on the web-site! i lost a whole hour of my life!
[05:20] <plovs_work> Kamion, anyway ... no big deal
[05:20] <Kamion> ajame: yes.
[05:20] <Kamion> L3th3M: use sudo, with your password.
[05:21] <Kamion> L3th3M: see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[05:22] <plovs_work> L3th3M, http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RootSudo
[05:22] <skar> stvn:gnubiff 1.4 is the latest in the ubuntu repository, while 2.0.2 has been released with a lot of bug fixes, can i add debian unstable to the apt repository list and install it?
[05:23] <L3th3M> thank you Kamien
[05:23] <meff> skar: heh bad idea
[05:24] <ajame> Kamion, but 2.6.9 is out? why not use?
[05:24] <meff> ajame: im assuming its too new/needs more testing
[05:24] <skar> meff:any other idea to upgrade gnubiff to the latest version, except downloading the source and installing it?
[05:25] <Kamion> ajame: it came out like two days before we released, dude :)
[05:25] <fabbione> Kamion: actually the same day :-)
[05:25] <Kamion> ajame: would've been total release management insanity to switch to it
[05:25] <Kamion> The latest stable version of the 2.6.9           2004-10-18  F V VI C Changelog
[05:25] <meff> skar: wait for the hoary repos to open?
[05:25] <Kamion> I make that two days before, but whatever
[05:25] <fabbione> Kamion: at least the mail to -announce ;)
[05:25] <skar> meff:hoary repos, where can i read more about that?
[05:26] <Kamion> skar: you probably can't usefully yet
[05:26] <fabbione> skar: wiki
[05:26] <skar> fabbione:ok, thanx
[05:27] <ajame> meff, so kernel package is in testing / restr.. / other now?
[05:28] <ajame> repos
[05:28] <meff> ajame: for 2.6.9? i guess it'd be in hoary.. though im no ubuntu dev :)
[05:28] <ajame> hoary?
[05:28] <stvn> skar: if you know what you are doing you can install the packege with dpkg -i <package> but it might result in major breakage
[05:29] <Kamion> ajame: it's not anywhere yet, because we haven't started up the next release's development repository.
[05:29] <ajame> i remembler at doc , has only main / restri.. / and testing?
[05:29] <Kamion> ajame: be patient :)
[05:29] <Kamion> testing?
[05:29] <ajame> meff: hoary?
[05:29] <Kamion> that's a Debian thing, not Ubuntu
[05:29] <stvn> skar: I just migrated 3 debian-sarge computers to ubuntu, had to do quite some hand picking of packages to ensure it would use the ubuntu packages, it's very tedious and I won't recommend it
[05:29] <Kamion> ajame: hoary = the next Ubuntu release
[05:29] <skar> stvn:you mean "dpkg -i deb_url_path"?
[05:30] <stvn> skar: nah, download the package and use the path
[05:30] <stvn> skar: but check for dependencies, since dpkg -i does not fix those for you
[05:31] <skar> stvn:btw, added unstable to /etc/apt/sources.list and "apt-get update" and "apt-get install gnubuff" installed 2.0.1, though 2.0.2 would've been ideal, now it can access my imaps folders correctly
[05:31] <talon906> i just installed ubuntu and during startup in boots to the command line rather than gui. how do I change the option to boot to gui since this is my first distro
[05:31] <skar> stvn:ok, i get it, may not run due to missing or wrong lib versions right?
[05:32] <stvn> skar: yep
[05:32] <Kamion> talon906: something must have gone wrong, GUI startup is the default
[05:32] <Kamion> talon906: unless you booted with 'custom' (if you don't know what I'm talking about, you didn't)
[05:32] <stvn> skar: but adding unstable to the apt-sources will do the trick as well, but you have a bigger risk 'accidently' destroying your system
[05:32] <talon906> ahh..  okay, I'll attempt a reinstall then..  thanks
[05:32] <stvn> skar: check very carefully what packages it is going to install
[05:34] <L3th3M> no working...
[05:34] <L3th3M> I can start root session
[05:36] <ajame> Kamion, thank
[05:38] <ajame> and can i download kernel source and become tester on my machine on ubutun?
[05:39] <skar> stvn:i updated gnubiff, then commented out unstable again ;)
[05:39] <fluxy_> Hello.
[05:39] <stvn> skar: yep
[05:39] <ajame> and does it require any specifics?
[05:41] <fluxy_> Hey I downloaded the live Ubuntu cd i386 but it doesn't work!
[05:43] <kent> fluxy_, what dont work?
[05:44] <fluxy_> It loads, I can see the progress bar filled, but then the screen goes black and my monitor off!
[05:44] <cenerentola> can i use a debian repository for ubuntu?
[05:45] <darkersatanic> cenerentola: Yes, but it's really not recommended.
[05:45] <cenerentola> why
[05:45] <darkersatanic> cenerentola: It's in the FAQ, I think.
[05:45] <darkersatanic> Basically, there are packages with the same version numbers that aren't the same.
[05:45] <darkersatanic> This confuses apt.
[05:46] <cenerentola> but the universe thing is like a normal testing or stable or unstable debian repository?
[05:46] <ajame> ?
[05:46] <L3th3M> how to install gdesklets from apt?
[05:46] <darkersatanic> cenerentola: It's a separate repo of packages,
[05:46] <cenerentola> ahhh ok
[05:46] <darkersatanic> supplementing the packages in main and restricted.
[05:47] <darkersatanic> So main, restricted and universe are all at the same "level" of development.
[05:47] <darkersatanic> Just different levels of freeness and support.
[05:47] <chowells> ah.  I really don't know how to use grub (was a fan of lilo), what's the best way of getting it back?
[05:47] <L3th3M> I want gdesklets, but for apt...
[05:48] <SmokingFire> L3th3M: Its in synaptic but I don't know how it works
[05:49] <SmokingFire> L3th3M: I installed it once from synaptic/apt but when clicking on the icon in the applications menu nothing happens, and I'm to lazy to read the documentation.
[05:49] <L3th3M> ok
[05:49] <SmokingFire> L3th3M: have you enabled universe?
[05:50] <kagou> hi
[05:50] <L3th3M> mo
[05:50] <L3th3M> what is it?
[05:50] <Kamion> darkersatanic: and multiverse to fill out the fourth bit of the quadrant
[05:50] <darkersatanic> Kamion: Thanks. I haven't read up about multiverse much.
[05:50] <L3th3M> I can start root session!
[05:51] <L3th3M> fuck me!
[05:51] <Kamion> multiverse == unsupported/non-free
[05:51] <Kamion> (basically)
[05:51] <SmokingFire> L3th3M: in synaptic go to settings --> repisiotories and enable everthing, then click on reload and then do a search for gdesktlets.
[05:51] <L3th3M> yes
[05:52] <L3th3M> thank you
[05:53] <L3th3M> I need star the root sesion for configure cups, but I can do it
[05:53] <ajame> does ubuntu use deb file format?
[05:53] <L3th3M> * I Can do it
[05:53] <L3th3M> * I cannot do it
[05:53] <ajame> ?
[05:54] <L3th3M> I need start the root session
[05:54] <L3th3M> but I cannot do it
[05:54] <L3th3M> its very important
[05:54] <tseng> L3th3M: read the FAQ
[05:54] <tseng> ajame: yes
[05:54] <L3th3M> where?
[05:54] <tseng>  /topic
[05:55] <Kamion> L3th3M: people have already given you URLs above
[05:55] <Kamion> 16:21 < Kamion> L3th3M: see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[05:55] <Kamion> 16:22 < plovs_work> L3th3M, http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RootSudo
[05:57] <ajame> which iso file i would download if i want install ubuntu on my hd?
[05:57] <Kamion> ajame: warty-release-install-i386.iso
[05:58] <ajame> petium4/ram128mb/nvdia
[06:01] <L3th3M> how to give permisse for configure cups?
[06:01] <L3th3M> whats is the group?
[06:03] <cenerentola> sorry folks... i've got some problems with mount
[06:03] <cenerentola> when i try to mount a fat32 partition with /dev/hdb1 /media/data
[06:04] <cenerentola> it all goes well but whem i open nautilus it says that all the files have a 0 byte lenght
[06:04] <ccox> hey does anyone know how to remove a package without also removing ubunto-desktop?
[06:04] <stvn> cenerentola: checked your permissions?
[06:04] <ccox> I want to apt-get remove gaim but it also wants to remove ubuntu-desktop
[06:04] <stvn> ccox: ubuntu-desktop is a meta package, can savely be removed once it is installed
[06:05] <ccox> ahhhh okay. Just wondering cuz I wanted to compile latest gaim
[06:05] <stvn> ccox: as long as it is only ubuntu-desktop, if it produces a large list, it's bad
[06:05] <cenerentola> and all the things, files and directories, are shown like files... with the gnome foot on them
[06:05] <cenerentola> what should i do?
[06:05] <stvn> cenerentola: your permissions are wrong
[06:06] <stvn> cenerentola: with the mount command add -o umask=000 or add the mount to /etc/fstab and allow users to mount it and mount it as user
[06:06] <ccox> hey has anyone heard of the program called paco?
[06:06] <cenerentola> coul you plz give the complete command
[06:07] <ajame> ccox: pico?
[06:07] <stvn> cenerentola: how did you mount it?
[06:07] <ccox> no paco
[06:07] <stvn> I know a dog called paco ;)
[06:07] <cenerentola> mount /dev/hdb1 /media/data
[06:07] <ccox> it keeps track of all software you compile manually and puts them in a list so you can uninstall them easily
[06:07] <ccox> works really well
[06:08] <stvn> cenerentola: unmount it and try mount -o umask=000 /dev/hdb1 /media/data - but if you need it on a regular basis, it's better to add it to /etc/fstab
[06:08] <cenerentola> ok thanks
[06:09] <siretart> Kamion: do you remember my problem with parted not showing partitions? my part. table was b0rked. I fixed it with sfdisk. i think #2412 is the same problem. perhaps partman should tell the user that the partition table is "bad"
[06:09] <ccox> anyhoo you can get it at paco.sourceforge.net. Just wanted to share a great program
[06:09] <cenerentola> really big thanks
[06:09] <stvn> ccox: i stick to aptitude ;)
[06:09] <stvn> np
[06:10] <ccox> ya its great but doesnt have latest software
[06:10] <ccox> I just use paco for the stuff where I need updated software like gaim 1.0.2
[06:11] <bipolar> ccox: you could also use checkinstall to make a deb.
[06:11] <stvn> ccox: if you really want the latest (without compiling) you might want debian experimental or wait for hoarty
[06:12] <ajame> stvn, i always type aptdude
[06:12] <ccox> hey maybe I should just make debs and put it in a repository?
[06:12] <stvn> ajame: heh, actually I type "apti<tab> u"
[06:14] <ajame> stvn, what aptitdue is? can't remembler
[06:14] <ajame> remember
[06:14] <stvn> ajame: aptitude is the ncurses based package manager
[06:15] <stvn> ajame: it is one of the best deb managers, I prefer it over synaptic, since I can use it on ssh sessions, saves a lot of walking to distant PCs
[06:18] <treyh0> nice gstreamer-mad makes my laptop hang cause its so cpu intensive
[06:19] <stvn> treyh0: don't use it then ;)
[06:19] <treyh0> i can't
[06:20] <ajame> stvn, "...ssh sessions" = access to a server has many debs..over ssh and scp?
[06:20] <stvn> treyh0: if you need it for mp3s, use another mp3 player, like beep-media-player
[06:20] <deFrysk> does fileroller have a bug ?
[06:20] <treyh0> hm cool never heard of that
[06:21] <stvn> ajame: not exactly, I have an apt-cache installed on the lan and ssh into other machines, it will retrieve the debs like normal, only it will try the cache first
[06:21] <cenerentola> stvn: what options whould i use in fstab
[06:21] <stvn> treyh0: it is the gtk2 version of xmms
[06:21] <stvn> cenerentola: do you want it to be mounted at boot up?
[06:22] <cenerentola> stvn: yes
[06:22] <stvn> cenerentola: /dev/hdb1 /media/data  vfat defaults 0 0
[06:23] <ajame> stvn, remote other maachines?
[06:23] <cenerentola> stvn: thx
[06:23] <ajame> stvn, remote access other maachines?
[06:23] <stvn> cenerentola: if you change the permissions/ownership of /media/data to something sensible it will be accessible by everyone you want
[06:25] <stvn> ajame: yeah, I administer 4 other machines here, got 1 server without monitor/keyboard, so ssh is a nice and secure way to login from a distance and administer it
[06:26] <treyh0> stvn: its cool, but for some reason none of the players can decode id3 tags :/
[06:27] <stvn> treyh0: seems like you miss a id3library
[06:27] <ajame> stvn, thanks
[06:28] <treyh0> got them all installed (just not the editors, just libs)
[06:29] <stvn> treyh0: sure it has tags? never had a problem here
[06:31] <treyh0> hm its possible, a radio stream... maybe they were disabled
[06:31] <stvn> treyh0: ah yeah, radio streams don't work
[06:31] <LinuxJones> Can anybody recommend any answering machine software for linux ?
[06:32] <treyh0> hrm i wonder why
[06:32] <treyh0> on my box @ work it does
[06:32] <treyh0> but its not ubuntu
[06:32] <treyh0> its crash happy fedora
[06:33] <RubenV> Hi
[06:33] <stvn> treyh0: i'm not sure either, I never noticed that streams didn't have id tags, and now I've got ubuntu so can't check if it's an ubuntu thing or a general thing
[06:33] <RubenV> I'm installing ubuntu on my sister's laptop
[06:33] <RubenV> but every time I close the lid
[06:33] <Despair> treyh0: gxine seems to decode tags in streams just fine
[06:33] <RubenV> the whole box freezes
[06:33] <RubenV> any way to disable the lid thing alltogether?
[06:33] <treyh0> Despair: cool
[06:33] <RubenV> rather have the screen not responding to the lid button then a dying box
[06:35] <MK|> erm, i am about to install ubuntu, i am jus wondering if it supports speedtouch usb? and how to get it working?
[06:36] <stvn> RubenV: does it happen during install, or you have it fully installed now?
[06:36] <RubenV> it's fully installed
[06:36] <RubenV> i figure i could just tell her not to close the lid while running
[06:36] <RubenV> but that's a half ass solution
[06:37] <Tux234> A Coppermine Celeron is a 386 or 686?
[06:37] <stvn> treyh0: 686
[06:37] <stvn> Tux234: 686
[06:37] <bipolar> is anyone here running groupwise and connecting with evolution?
[06:37] <Tux234> THX!
[06:37] <MK|> erm, i am about to install ubuntu, i am jus wondering if it supports speedtouch usb? and how to get it working?
[06:38] <RubenV> stvn: it even happens during bootup, before the acpid is running
[06:38] <RubenV> in gentoo it didn't pose a problem at all
[06:38] <stvn> RubenV: there are ways to disable it, like not enabling acpi
[06:38] <Despair> RubenV: you might try booting with noacpi on the command line
[06:38] <RubenV> but then she would have no battery status whatsoever
[06:38] <RubenV> that's even worse
[06:39] <afonit> where in the filesystem does the slave hard drive show up in?
[06:39] <Despair> RubenV: suspend issues are fun. Every bios gets something different wrong...
[06:39] <stvn> RubenV: can't you disable suspend in the bios?
[06:40] <RubenV> I have the same laptop running gentoo
[06:40] <RubenV> lid works fine here
[06:40] <Despair> RubenV: what kernel in gentoo?
[06:40] <stvn> RubenV: check what modules gentoo loads and check those of ubuntu
[06:40] <RubenV> <IP_ADDRESS>-mm2
[06:40] <Despair> ah, that'd be why.
[06:41] <Despair> there's been a lot of acpi and suspend work happening since <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:41] <RubenV> ok, so i'll just tell her not to close the lid for now
[06:41] <RubenV> and hope it'll be fixed someday :)
[06:41] <MK|> can the speedtouch usb modem work on ubuntu?
[06:42] <stvn> RubenV: or install a newer kernel (I don't think warty will recieve one)
[06:42] <stvn> MK|: checked the wiki?
[06:43] <RubenV> stvn: can i find a kernel similar to the ubuntu one (same modules etc) somewhere?
[06:43] <afonit> do you guys know where in the filesystem a secondary hard drive would show up?
[06:43] <MK|> what a wiki?
[06:43] <RubenV> also, i'm getting a few kernel errors on bootup
[06:43] <RubenV> during the hotplug section
[06:44] <stvn> RubenV: you could get one from debian I presume, but I think ubuntu has some different settings, but I don't know
[06:45] <stvn> RubenV: those about shpchp and piehp? I get them as well, I just ignore them
[06:45] <RubenV> yes, those
[06:45] <RubenV> and hw_random
[06:46] <stvn> RubenV: haven't discovered yet if they're harmful, but I don't think so
[06:48] <RubenV> hmmm
[06:48] <RubenV> every time it powers down, it makes a cracking sound
[06:48] <RubenV> is it possible that ubuntu doesn't turn down the volume before rebooting?
[06:49] <Despair> RubenV: possibly. that should be scriptable, though.
[06:49] <RubenV> i'll just add a mute line in the alsa down script
[06:49] <RubenV> should go in by default though i think, can't be healthy for the speakers
[06:50] <Despair> some sound cards don't crack like that. but yes, it's a reasonable default behavior
[06:50] <WW> RubenV: Hey, I get that noise on my desktop computer.  Could you add a short "HowTo" to the wiki?
[06:51] <treyh0> stvn: yay beep media player shows the stream titles :)
[06:51] <mxpxpod> how do I create a dummy package in ubuntu?  I have a test version of n-c-b installed but I would like totem-gstreamer installed (which relies on n-c-b)
[06:51] <Kamion> equivs?
[06:52] <mxpxpod> Kamion: oh, right
[06:52] <stvn> treyh0: what did you do?
[06:52] <treyh0> enable shoutcast title streaming in the mp3 options
[06:55] <stvn> treyh0: hm, doesn't seem to make much difference here, but I could see the title and artist already anyway
[06:55] <treyh0> :/
[06:56] <stvn> ah well, never mind, hardly ever stream nowadays, most of the time I use the samba mount of the colelction
[06:56] <neur0mancer> hi people. can u help me? i've got a problem with the default rhythmbox installation from Warty 4.10
[06:56] <tvon|x31> Anyone have issues getting libxslt dev installed?
[06:56] <stvn> neur0mancer: being?
[06:57] <neur0mancer> stvn: i know that there is no mp3 plugin for it. am I right?
[06:57] <stvn> neur0mancer: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[06:57] <treyh0> install gstreamer-mad
[06:57] <stvn> neur0mancer: basically you need to install the gstreamer-mad library
[06:57] <treyh0> neur0mancer
[06:57] <neur0mancer> stvn: so if I install it, i can play mp3s from it?
[06:57] <stvn> treyh0: won't work, you need the universe as well
[06:57] <neur0mancer> ...
[06:57] <stvn> neur0mancer: yep
[06:57] <neur0mancer> stvn: so if I install it, i can play mp3s from rhythmbox?
[06:57] <neur0mancer> ok
[06:58] <neur0mancer> thanks
[06:58] <ulisse> Hi all
[06:58] <ulisse> how are you?
[06:58] <_anderson_> Hello channel.
[06:58] <ulisse> do you refere to me with "channel"?
[06:59] <ulisse> I logged as "ulisse"
[06:59] <neur0mancer> lol
[06:59] <_anderson_> -> ulisse: No by channel I meant all.
[06:59] <ulisse> ;-)
[07:00] <ulisse> It was a joke, I am a newbie but not SO newbie...
[07:00] <stvn> :)
[07:00] <_anderson_> If someone can gimme a sources.list with pointers to mplayer, java repositry  it would be helpful to me.
[07:00] <ulisse> So, let me explain my problem:
[07:00] <ulisse> Since yesterday I am unable to update Ubuntu via Synaptic
[07:00] <stvn> _anderson_: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats for mplayer
[07:01] <FluFlo> hi, I have a problem installing kernel sources
[07:01] <FluFlo> i have  <IP_ADDRESS>-3-k7 image installed
[07:01] <FluFlo> but i cant find the corresponding  sources
[07:01] <FluFlo> the latest i see are 2.6.7
[07:01] <joolz> hm, can't rhytmbox plays wavs?
[07:01] <joolz> weird
[07:02] <FluFlo> any idea?
[07:02] <ulisse> I update the list, but when I push "Select all updates", no updates are available.
[07:02] <_anderson_> # This is my sources.list
[07:02] <_anderson_> # These are mostly Debian Sid sources. Most of the good stuff is
[07:02] <_anderson_> # unsupported by the Canonical folk, so please don't waste their
[07:02] <_anderson_> # time if you are having problems with some non-free stuff.
[07:02] <_anderson_> # You want this file to replace /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:02] <_anderson_> # Then do a 'sudo apt-get update' for it to take effect.
[07:02] <_anderson_> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted universe multiverse
[07:02] <_anderson_> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted
[07:02] <_anderson_> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-updates main restricted universe multiverse
[07:02] <_anderson_> # tseng's cool mono repository. Get muine, it rocks.
[07:03] <_anderson_> deb http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs/ ./
[07:03] <_anderson_> # This is for illegal stuff. You want w32codecs for sure, and the mplayer stuff,
[07:03] <_anderson_> # make sure you snag totem-xine from universe, and you'll be able to play
[07:03] <_anderson_> # anything. Don't blame me if this is illegal in your country, heh.
[07:03] <_anderson_> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[07:03] <_anderson_> # Java. apt-get install j2sdk to get the sun stuff. Kind of slow,
[07:03] <_anderson_> # but if you use Java, you're already used to slow. :p
[07:03] <_anderson_> # run ln -s /usr/lib/j2sdk1.4.2/jre/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[07:03] <_anderson_> # to get java working in the browser.
[07:03] <_anderson_> deb http://debian.innovationsw.com/debian unstable/i386/
[07:03] <_anderson_> deb http://debian.innovationsw.com/debian unstable/all/
[07:03] <_anderson_> # freepops
[07:03] <Kamion> _anderson_: please don't do that
[07:03] <_anderson_> deb http://tassi.web.cs.unibo.it/debian/freepops-sid ./
[07:03] <_anderson_> This is my sources.list
[07:03] <_anderson_> But a lot of packages are not installing.
[07:03] <_anderson_> It is reported that there is no installation candidate or something like that.
[07:03] <stvn> Kamion: prolly too late already
[07:03] <Kamion> stvn: I know
[07:03] <lamont> FluFlo: it's called linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS>
[07:03] <lamont> apt-cache search linux-source
[07:04] <FluFlo> lamont, Ill chekit rigth now
[07:04] <inklingx> nice flood mr _anderson_ ;)
[07:04] <stvn> _anderson_: tsk!! - anyway it appears you have debian and ubuntu repositories mixed
[07:04] <vanguardist> hhmm there's no ubuntu ppc channel...?
[07:04] <treyh0> _anderson_: is that on a http somewhere?
[07:04] <lamont> vanguardist: that'd be #ubuntu
[07:05] <vanguardist> heh well my ibook does not wake up from sleep
[07:05] <vanguardist> screen lights up, i see some text then it freezes
[07:05] <_anderson_> I took that sources.list from website.
[07:05] <Despair> <IP_ADDRESS> seems to have sleep/suspend problems for a fair number of laptops.
[07:05] <mdz> vanguardist: #1940
[07:05] <vanguardist> crap
[07:06] <ulisse> Someone can help me with updates?
[07:06] <_anderson_> http://www.arslinux.com/~jorge/sources.list
[07:06] <_anderson_> But using this source, a lot of packages are not installing.
[07:06] <FluFlo> lamont, thanks. It? done now. I was looking for kernel-source. That was my error
[07:06] <treyh0> stvn: hey rhythmbox shows the stream titles too. neat.
[07:06] <WW> ulisse: Does _anything_ happen when you press Reload?
[07:07] <lamont> FluFlo: np
[07:07] <treyh0> _anderson_: thanks
[07:07] <ulisse> Yes, it relaods the packing lists, but I think the operation is too fast
[07:07] <lamont> FluFlo: it was renamed to linux-source to make room for multix-source at some possible future date. :-)
[07:07] <ulisse> as if the list is already up to date...
[07:07] <stvn> _anderson_: it's a risk using non-ubuntu sources, I'd suggest to comment the two innovation ones and apt-get update
[07:08] <stvn> ulisse: if you reloaded it already today, it will be fast, there are not /that/ many updates that you'll see changes within a day
[07:08] <WW> ulisse: Are you updating a fresh install?
[07:09] <ulisse> no, I last updated 2 - 3 days ago
[07:09] <WW> ulisse: Not much has changed since then!
[07:09] <_anderson_> stvn: But how do I install mplayer, java, etc?
[07:09] <ulisse> ok, it was all i wanted to know.
[07:09] <stvn> _anderson_: i've that list, without the debian one, I got mplayer and blackdown in my list now
[07:09] <ulisse> In the past weks I found several updates per day,
[07:10] <ulisse> so I thought that there was a trouble in my apt
[07:10] <stvn> :)
[07:10] <_anderson_> stvn: I don't get you. Do you mean this source works?
[07:10] <FluFlo> lamont, actually I see that what i have is sources tar.bz compressed on /usr/src
[07:10] <FluFlo> thats new for me
[07:10] <WW> ulisse: Yeah, update is kind of boring these days :-)
[07:10] <stvn> _anderson_: yep
[07:10] <ulisse> Ok, next question:
[07:11] <stvn> _anderson_: but the debian repository might corrupt the system a bit
[07:11] <ulisse> I have troubles shutting down the PC
[07:11] <FluFlo> lamont, I supose i have to decompress them my own
[07:11] <lamont> FluFlo: it's not pure linus source, and yes, you ahve to tar -xjf ...
[07:11] <_anderson_>  sudo apt-get install mplayer-k6
[07:11] <_anderson_> Reading Package Lists... Done
[07:11] <_anderson_> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[07:11] <_anderson_> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
[07:11] <_anderson_> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
[07:11] <_anderson_> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
[07:11] <_anderson_> or been moved out of Incoming.
[07:11] <_anderson_> Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that
[07:11] <_anderson_> the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
[07:11] <_anderson_> that package should be filed.
[07:11] <WW> oh boy
[07:11] <_anderson_> The following information may help to resolve the situation:
[07:11] <_anderson_> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[07:11] <stvn> _anderson_: don't paste in the chaneel!!
[07:11] <_anderson_>   mplayer-k6: Depends: libartsc0 (>= 1.3.0) but it is not going to be installed
[07:11] <_anderson_>               Depends: libggi2 (>= 1:2.0.5) but it is not going to be installed
[07:11] <_anderson_>               Depends: libungif4g (>= 4.1.3) but 4.1.0b1-6 is to be installed
[07:11] <_anderson_> E: Broken packages
[07:12] <_anderson_> What does this error mean?
[07:12] <_anderson_> Okey...
[07:12] <_anderson_> Can I talk to you in person?
[07:12] <stvn> yeah
[07:12] <ulisse> I found some posts about shutdown problems in the unoficial forum...
[07:12] <WW> _anderson_: Try http://pastebin.com/
[07:12] <ulisse> the sistem hangs on "acpi power off called"
[07:13] <ulisse> I want to know what "nolapic" actually does
[07:14] <ulisse> I tried "nolapic pci=noacpi in the menu.lst
[07:14] <ulisse> shutdown worked fine, but mouse, kb, eth not!
[07:14] <stvn> ulisse: did it ever work?
[07:15] <ulisse> It worked fine since last week
[07:15] <vanguardist> hhmm
[07:15] <vanguardist> where can I get some ubuntu kernel sources?
[07:15] <ulisse> It is not an HW problem, with Fedora I can shutdown normally...
[07:16] <vanguardist> i need to move to 2.6.7 or I can't use the laptop
[07:17] <tmp011> hey guys: gotta a question, i have a router which i connect to for internet, i have it as nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf. this setup is slow. so i added my ISP's nameserver to resolv.conf, but when i reboot, its gone. i have to manually add nameservers on everyboot, any help?
[07:18] <ulisse> it worked UNTIL last week, not SINCE... sorry for the english...
[07:19] <stvn> ulisse: you don't remember what was updated just before it stopped working, do you?
[07:19] <ulisse> No, sorry.
[07:21] <stvn> ulisse: you might want to try to add pci=noacpi but not nolapic
[07:21] <ulisse> what actually does "nolapic"?
[07:22] <stvn> ulisse: have no idea
[07:22] <ulisse> :-D
[07:22] <ulisse> Ok I'll try.
[07:23] <stvn> ulisse: it disable local apic (still no idea what that means though)
[07:23] <ulisse> But I manage the system via acpid (for screensaver etc..), will it work with pci=noacpi?
[07:23] <ulisse> Or I should install apmd?
[07:25] <jacob> I can't any video effects when playing audio files in Totem, anyone else exp. this ?
[07:25] <stvn> ulisse: hm, not sure really, I've had quite some problems with apm and acpi but couldn't really find the logic in when it worked or not
[07:25] <stvn> ulisse: so I'd suggest try some different setups, sorry that I can't help you better
[07:26] <ulisse> Ok, now I'll give it a try, if you won't see me in half an hour, call the police!
[07:26] <stvn> hehe
[07:26] <ulisse> Thanks to all, bye!
[07:27] <retype-s> hello
[07:27] <retype-s> i just finished installing ubuntu, it is really great, but it has some serious flaws also
[07:28] <thursday> i got to say i like the new artwork...
[07:28] <retype-s> no support for reiserfs in the running kernel made me lose one instalation, as I made the root partition reiserfs
[07:29] <retype-s> thursday, I like it too
[07:29] <Kamion> retype-s: hm, reiserfs is modular and should end up in the initrd if you make the root partition reiserfs; I've done several installations with reiserfs /
[07:30] <retype-s> it gave me a strange error, one that I've never seen
[07:30] <retype-s> it wasnt I have no root and I want to scream
[07:30] <retype-s> the default...
[07:31] <retype-s> it was something strange in the early stages of the but process
[07:31] <retype-s> i've made an ext3 partition for /boot
[07:31] <retype-s> with 42 mb
[07:31] <retype-s> the boot process
[07:31] <retype-s> sorry
[07:32] <LinuxJones> Can someone please install and run chkrootkit. I have 16 hidden processes running and possible  LKM Trojan installed. I am hoping if it is just a false-positive :)
[07:32] <Kamion> I'd expect that to be just kernel threads
[07:33] <retype-s> also I can't make my palm device work
[07:33] <LinuxJones> Kamion, was that directed @ me ?
[07:33] <Kamion> LinuxJones: yep
[07:33] <retype-s> it is showing in the hal-devices ok but It doesn't appear in /dev
[07:34] <LinuxJones> Kamion, ok thanks I had the same problem with Debian just checking :)
[07:34] <green_> hi all
[07:34] <green_> :)
[07:35] <LinuxJones> green_, hello
[07:35] <green_> LinuxJones, ubuntu linux is nice ;)
[07:35] <green_> good for my amd64 box
[07:35] <LinuxJones> green_, I am a very happy man :D
[07:35] <retype-s> anothe problem is with i18n, the open office instaled is in english and so is firefox, for both of wich there exists a pt_BR translation
[07:36] <stvn> retype-s: that's being adressed in haorty
[07:36] <ulisse> Ok, I'm back!
[07:36] <retype-s> stvn, which of the problems?
[07:36] <green_> but there is a missing part in ubuntu it is samba server, but i installed it via synaptic
[07:37] <green_> :)
[07:37] <stvn> retype-s: the i18n
[07:37] <ulisse> I am safe and the solution worked!
[07:37] <Kamion> green_: deliberately not installed by default
[07:37] <retype-s> stvn, thanks... this will be great
[07:37] <ulisse> thanks, see you next problem! ;-)
[07:38] <green_> Kamion, but if you add debian servers to your sources.list file it is nice to see others :)
[07:38] <retype-s> stvn, the thing is that I want to ditch windows in my family computer but my parents don't know any english
[07:38] <green_> now im using KDE and it is working well
[07:38] <zenwhen> why use KDE with such a gnome-centric distro?
[07:39] <stvn> retype-s: ah, it might be possible to get the .pt version of OO.o and firefox installed, not sure though
[07:39] <retype-s> green_, not that you shouldn't but what is the point of using kde with ubuntu
[07:39] <green_> these days we are developing software with qt :)
[07:39] <zenwhen> qt is hoardware
[07:39] <green_> cpp framework i mean
[07:40] <green_> GUI development
[07:40] <Skif> Okay, I have a keyspan USB<->serial adapter.  When I install it, /var/log/syslog says "Required keyspan firmware image (USA19QI) unavailable.
[07:40] <green_> etc
[07:40] <Skif> A) Where can I find this image
[07:40] <retype-s> stvn, I think I will download the firefox binaries for linux and I think debian has the OpenOffice pt_BR translation in unstable
[07:40] <Skif> B) Where do I put it?
[07:40] <stvn> retype-s: otherwise install epiphany, will be good enough for you parents I guess
[07:40] <CoryK> is it possible to install ubuntu from a floppy disk, or at least start the install, and do a network install...
[07:41] <Silvanis> is there a md5sum for the iso image that I can check to make sure I got the file correctly?
[07:41] <LinuxJones> Skif, do you have the keyspan module loaded ?
[07:41] <retype-s> stvn, maybe, but I really hate the usability problems with tabs in epi
[07:41] <retype-s> Silvanis, if you got it with bittorrent it is right
[07:41] <stvn> retype-s: how do you mean?
[07:42] <stvn> Silvanis: the md5sums are listed on the download page
[07:42] <Silvanis> I just downloaded from the http link
[07:42] <retype-s> Silvanis, bittorrent do signature cheking automaticaly, if you haven't got it from bit, you should :)
[07:42] <stvn> Silvanis: http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/MD5SUMS
[07:42] <Silvanis> and when I try to install it it says the bsdutils package is messed and the install fails
[07:43] <Silvanis> thanks stvn
[07:43] <Skif> LinuxJones: yes, but this device has no firmware on it
[07:43] <retype-s> stvn, epi hides tabs if they take more space than the screen width
[07:43] <Skif> Keyspan 1-1:1.0: Keyspan - (without firmware) converter detected
[07:44] <stvn> retype-s: ah yes, the arrows are not very visible indeed
[07:44] <retype-s> stvn, for me it is a really poor tab implementation
[07:44] <retype-s> stvn, it confuses myself, imagine my mother
[07:45] <stvn> retype-s: you get used to it, I use epiphany as my main browser and when I don't see it directly I just hit the arrow key
[07:45] <LinuxJones> Skif, umm >> http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/2004/01/msg00161.html
[07:45] <guptan> why GDM login screen comes in different resolution than the rest of system. how can I change it to 1028x768?
[07:46] <stvn> retype-s: but I do like the way it put new pages next to the current tab, each tab has its own cross and that it is possible to read the tabs, which is not possible in firefox with many tabs open
[07:46] <retype-s> stvn, then you have to make a lot mouse cliks to go to a tab, and I don't want to give motives for then wanting to go back to windows
[07:46] <stvn> retype-s: but the last bit is directly related to the arrow-problem
[07:46] <Skif> LinuxJones: thanks, I don't subscribe to d-l
[07:46] <LinuxJones> guptan, gdm displays @ same resolution that X is setup for maybe your fonts are messed up. Look @ gdmsetup
[07:46] <stvn> retype-s: most of the time the tab opens next to the current, so it's not that often that it's outside the view, but I do agree that the solution is not the best possible
[07:47] <Skif> LinuxJones: ick, that means I can't use ubuntu's kernel. :(
[07:47] <retype-s> stvn, I never heard of anyone having problems with tabs in firefox... so that excuse is not real
[07:47] <LinuxJones> Skif, unfortunately it looks that way :(
[07:47] <Skif> bummer :(
[07:48] <guptan> LinuxJones: gdm displaying high resolution than 1028x768
[07:48] <stvn> retype-s: heh, that's not a really valid argument to dismiss mine as not real, maybe noone talks to you about it  ;)
[07:48] <udo> hello! My Evolution isnt filtering spam, although i checked both boxes in the preferences. Any1 knows why?
[07:49] <retype-s> stvn, I am really into usability so I ask a lot of people this kind of thing
[07:49] <stvn> retype-s: I do have a problem with it, but it's more a general tab problem, since both systems don't cope very well with large amount of tabs, although the firefox system has the advantage
[07:50] <retype-s> stvn, I never found anyone that 1. don't get confused by it, 2. doesn't like firefox better
[07:50] <retype-s> stvn, I am with you, both have problems with lots of tabs
[07:52] <retype-s> stvn, but the epi way is clearly worse than firefox, it could be a great browser if it wasn't for that
[07:52] <stvn> retype-s: I'm used to epiphany, so I always miss the tab close button on the tab and the 'load new tab naxt to the active one', but it might be personal prefs, and not good usability ;)
[07:52] <CoryK> does ubuntu have a network install from floppy option???
[07:52] <stvn> retype-s: agreed
[07:53] <Nonphasis> stvn, those are available as extensions for ff
[07:53] <LinuxJones> CoryK, not from floppy no
[07:53] <stvn> Nonphasis: ah, hm if I could get that new gnome theme working for ubuntu's firefox I might switch
[07:54] <CoryK> well then i guess i have to use some other distro on my laptop:(
[07:54] <stvn> ff is really nice, it just doesn''t blend as well with gnome as epip does
[07:54] <Nonphasis> stvn, something wrong w/ the current look of ff?
[07:54] <retype-s> CoryK, I have a netboot dir on my ubuntu cd
[07:54] <Nonphasis> ah... this ff seems to blend just fine
[07:54] <retype-s> CoryK, I don't know if it works at all
[07:54] <CoryK> i need to boot from floppy...
[07:54] <CoryK> my laptop has an external cd drive
[07:54] <stvn> Nonphasis: I like it to look gnome-ish, but the main problem is the save dialogue, but i guess a theme will not fix that
[07:54] <retype-s> Nonphasis, it blends, but it is not gtk native
[07:55] <Nonphasis> old ff didn't but the new icons are much better and more gtk-ey
[07:55] <Nonphasis> ah, yes, the save dialogue... agree, it sucks
[07:55] <Nonphasis> but these days files are mostly saved automatically to the download dir
[07:56] <retype-s> Nonphasis, users don't want a software to look like their spectations, they want it to behave like one
[07:56] <stvn> that's the big problem with cross platform apps (just like OO.o) their dialogues do not blend into the host OS
[07:56] <diego1> can i use kde with gdm on ubuntu? (ok that was a stupid question...) where can i find the config file to add kde to the gdm session list?
[07:56] <Nonphasis> hmm, one might think making ff use gnome file dialogs should be pretty easy
[07:56] <stvn> diego1: if you install kde, it will added to gdm menu
[07:57] <stvn> +be
[07:57] <diego1> stvn, uh..didn't happen for me. maybe i missed a package?
[07:57] <retype-s> anyone using kde on ubuntu could please explain to me why do that?
[07:58] <Nonphasis> want to have the cake and eat it too?
[07:58] <skaught> hehe
[07:58] <green_> Nonphasis: im using KDE un ubuntu
[07:58] <stvn> diego1: you mean it's not in the list? or it didn't bring you to kde by default?
[07:58] <green_> Nonphasis, :)
[07:58] <diego1> stvn: it's not on the list
[07:58] <Nonphasis> I tried kde as well, but it looked like crap on ebente
[07:59] <bob2> "ebente"?
[07:59] <Nonphasis> ubuntu
[07:59] <LinuxJones> lol
[07:59] <green_> :)
[07:59] <skaught> Why wouldn't you use Debian if you're using KDE?
[07:59] <retype-s> diego1, from where did you install kde?
[07:59] <twitchgame> i would hope that ubuntu would stick to gnome only..
[07:59] <bob2> diego1: installing it isn't enough
[07:59] <Nonphasis> all the cool kids use ubuntu these days? ;-)
[07:59] <bob2> ?
[07:59] <bob2> twitchgame:kde is in universe
[07:59] <stvn> diego1: that's odd, I'd say it should have added it
[07:59] <snazbaz> does ubuntu have a gdesklets package?
[07:59] <green_> i think it looks nice :) a little bit work and its there, nice
[07:59] <diego1> retype-s, from the universal repository...i may have missed a couple packages though..
[07:59] <LinuxJones> Nonphasis, you probably have to enable anti-aliasing and adjust fonts in kdecontrol center
[08:00] <twitchgame> bob2: that's too bad then :)
[08:00] <diego1> retype-s, i know for sure i installed kde-base
[08:00] <retype-s> diego1, you never miss anything using apt :)
[08:00] <Nonphasis> LinuxJones, yeah, probably, but at that point I was already uninstalling it. I thought I could get used to gnome, and i did
[08:00] <green_> Nonphasis, sure eable anti-aliasing
[08:00] <retype-s> diego1, you have to install kde
[08:01] <retype-s> diego1, it should be some kind of metapackage that put it in gdm
[08:01] <LinuxJones> Nonphasis, I was a longtime KDE user until I installed Ubuntu and I would never switch back :)
[08:02] <udo> hello! My Evolution isnt filtering spam, although i checked both boxes in the preferences. Any1 knows why?
[08:02] <Nonphasis> I still have to admit that kde 3.3 rocks
[08:02] <diego1> retype-s, that's probably my problem. i come from gentoo where kde is a metapackage that simply depends on kde-base, kde-libs, kde-network, kdepim, etc
[08:02] <green_> LinuxJones, but like me i have to use KDE because we are developing some cpp applicvations with QT :(
[08:02] <stvn> udo: you need to train it
[08:02] <twitchgame> kde != qt
[08:02] <LinuxJones> Nonphasis, yes it is very good
[08:02] <retype-s> I was a long time kde user until I noticed that I spent more time in windows xp because I didn't want to waste my time making ajustments to configurations
[08:02] <retype-s> diego1, me too
[08:02] <Nonphasis> retype-s, doing them once should be enough
[08:02] <diego1> well i gotta go to my next class, thanks for the help
[08:03] <green_> twitchgame, sure you are right but it written with QT and its more looking like apps with QT and qtdevelop
[08:03] <retype-s> diego1, maybe we should suggest that ubuntu be based in gentoo :)
[08:03] <Nonphasis> and I thing I've needed to tweak gnome more than I had to do w/ kde
[08:03] <stvn> retype-s: yeah, it should be based on gentoo and run kde at default ;)
[08:03] <mirak_-> ahhhh.
[08:03] <mirak_-> don't do that
[08:04] <retype-s> stvn, kde sucks, gentoo rulez...
[08:04] <stvn> said the man using ubuntu
[08:04] <bob2> "kde" in ubuntu is just a meta-package
[08:04] <green_> here i can say that KDE is not sucks :) its a little bit slow :)
[08:04] <mirak_-> I dig the debian......and anything BUT kde
[08:04] <Nonphasis> GENTOO!!
[08:04] <Nonphasis> (sorry about the /. moment)
[08:04] <stvn> Nonphasis: lol
[08:05] <twitchgame> green_: yeah but you can still run qt apps from gnome.. there's nothing forcing you to struggle with kde just because you're writing qt apps
[08:05] <retype-s> i really love debian, i just love gentoo even more
[08:05] <bob2> then use it.
[08:05] <helix> gee, there are even gentoo trolls in here
[08:05] <mirak_-> yeah
[08:05] <retype-s> twitchgame, if he is using kdevelop he will be strugling
[08:06] <Nonphasis> I bet there are gentoo trolls in the jungles of papua-new guinea
[08:06] <green_> twitchgame, yes yr right but qt-development on KDE is more looking good
[08:06] <mirak_-> some one plz pm me.......and tell me why they love gentoo so much....plz
[08:06] <bob2> Nonphasis: and they're still mocked by the natives
[08:06] <Nonphasis> green_, can't you just adjust the settings from kde control center but still use gnome?
[08:07] <bob2> mirak_-: please don't encourage pointless trolling
[08:07] <retype-s> twitchgame, kdevelop has to start all that kde system (dcop kio and everything) so it will take a day to start on gnome
[08:07] <twitchgame> retype-s: ew!
[08:07] <mirak_-> bob2, I am just curiouse, I hav only tried 2 distros...boh debian based
[08:07] <twitchgame> retype-s: that seems a bit excessive for an ide
[08:07] <letheus> I want to install my new XMMS-skins. I type this in the terminal: "cp ~/Desktop/*newskin* ~/.xmms/skins -r" - everything should be fine, but when i look in the skin-folder, nothing new has been copied there. I?m i typing the wrong commando in the terminal?
[08:08] <green_> retype-s, yes yr right about that
[08:08] <letheus> what do i do wrong?
[08:08] <retype-s> mirak_-, gento has a python package system, portage, that has almost all the packages from debian with much newer versions
[08:09] <retype-s> twitchgame, it is, go talk to kdevelop guys about that
[08:09] <twitchgame> retype-s: i think i'll just remember to stay away from it entirely :)
[08:09] <Nonphasis> frankly, dcop & friends start quite quickly
[08:09] <twitchgame> not terribly fond of gui development environments anyway
[08:10] <Nonphasis> I'v used konq on p200 running Ion3
[08:10] <Nonphasis> it's just the uneasy feeling of having both gnome and kde libs loaded
[08:10] <retype-s> twitchgame, this is the case, i like then until I find one tool that is better outside then and I always go back to editor + tools
[08:12] <punkass> if my $PATH has /usr/local/bin before /usr/bin where would i edit it so that i can change it...globally not just per user ?
[08:12] <retype-s> i am going, just one more question, why doesn't ubuntu putz windows as the default os in grub?
[08:12] <retype-s> everyone knows you have to restart windows a lot more than ubuntu
[08:12] <green_> i
[08:12] <retype-s> just kidding :)
[08:12] <green_> i put it 1.
[08:13] <green_> but its true :)
[08:14] <twitchgame> Nonphasis: having both libs is fine .. but having both complete environments is a good way to burn up your disk space
[08:14] <twitchgame> Not to mention a nightmare anyone involved in supporting the distro
[08:14] <Nonphasis> twitchgame, i don't mean the disk space, but the mem consumption when both are loaded
[08:15] <green_> disk space is less important these says i think memory is more imp.
[08:15] <rwabel> hi, I'm new to ubuntu linux. Can someone help me to get mp3 support in xmss?
[08:16] <mirak_-> I can
[08:16] <rwabel> cool
[08:16] <stvn> rwabel: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[08:17] <michel_v> hello
[08:17] <michel_v> for some reason, I am now unable to install Ubuntu on my old laptop
[08:17] <michel_v> it has 64 MB of sdram, I was able to install the very first public release on it
[08:17] <michel_v> but with 1.0, debconf gets an out of memory error right after the partitionning is done
[08:17] <michel_v> what has changed in debconf in the meanwhile?
[08:18] <maruko-work> does anyone know how to install gdesklets on ubuntu?
[08:18] <stvn> anyone has a suggestion why ubuntu fails to mount 2 HDs, if I mount them by hand it say mount: /dev/hda1 already mounted or /home busy
[08:18] <Nonphasis> michel_v, did it use swap space?
[08:19] <michel_v> after all the installation cd says it needs 32 MB, and I got 64 :/
[08:19] <stvn> but /dev/hda1 is not mounted, nor is /home busy, since it doesn't work on /tmp or /mnt either
[08:19] <Nonphasis> stvn, someone had the same prob a few days age
[08:19] <Nonphasis> ago
[08:19] <guptan> can somebody help me with Ubuntu Live CD?
[08:19] <stvn> Nonphasis: hm, any pointers?
[08:20] <michel_v> Nonphasis: I have no idea if it did. I was just done repartitionning and the disk definitely had a swap partition
[08:20] <Nonphasis> stvn, I can't remember. Have you searched bugzilla?
[08:20] <stvn> it worked fine, I updated some stuff and suddenly it stopped
[08:20] <stvn> Nonphasis: not yet
[08:20] <michel_v> maybe I can hop in a console and do swapon while installing
[08:20] <michel_v> I'll come back later to report on this
[08:22] <theantix> is there an apt equivilent to the fedora "yum provides foobar.txt" ?  I want to find what package (if any) a file is in.
[08:23] <sanitari1> theantix: check out auto-apt
[08:25] <Nonphasis> theantix, apt-file?
[08:25] <theantix> sanitari1: I guess that is close enough to what I'm looking for, thanks
[08:26] <theantix> Nonphasis: perfect!  I knew that had to exist, thanks :-)
[08:27] <maruko-work> does anyone know how to install gdesklets on ubuntu?
[08:28] <vincent__> apt-get install gdesklets ?
[08:28] <maruko-work> it says it can't find package gdesklets
[08:28] <theantix> maruko-work: do you have the universe repository enabled?
[08:29] <maruko-work> no
[08:29] <maruko-work> how do I enable it?
[08:29] <vincent__> so enable it
[08:29] <vincent__> synaptic then you have to configure your repositories
[08:29] <haha> if i wanted to know whether any pakage is or not , how i can know that??
[08:30] <michel_v> Nonphasis: thanks a lot, using some swap was a good idea
[08:30] <maruko-work> i'm in the package manager, but what what is the URI?
[08:30] <michel_v> Nonphasis: that is, frantic swapon calls did the trick :p
[08:31] <vincent__> he, a wiki exist with a lot of info inside https://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/SynapticHowto?action=highlight&value=univers
[08:31] <theantix> maruko-work: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-09-30.5359349801
[08:31] <haha> if i wanted to know whether any pakage is installed or not in my machine , how i can know that ??
[08:31] <Nonphasis> michel_v, seems like something for the wiki as well
[08:31] <Nonphasis> michel_v, others surely share the problem...
[08:31] <michel_v> most probably
[08:31] <stvn> hm dinnertime, will look into the non-booting later
[08:32] <michel_v> I mean, if one can't install a debian on Y2K hardware... :)
[08:32] <Nonphasis> haha, use synaptic
[08:33] <maruko-work> thanks, got it now
[08:33] <haha> Nonphasis, thanks, I'll try it
[08:34] <vincent__> maruko-work: ok
[08:35] <rcaskey> uh oh, Safari crashed browsing my page :( Its a directory, something about the letter #l itdoesn't like
[08:35] <michel_v> damn all these immutable pages
[08:36] <eruditus> hi
[08:36] <eruditus> I have a problem connecting to the internet using ubuntu - can anyone help?
[08:37] <eruditus> hello?
[08:37] <Nonphasis> eruditus, ask away
[08:37] <Nonphasis> eruditus, don't "ask to ask"
[08:38] <eruditus> Nonphasis - thanks. :) I need to connect using an adsl connection which has an ethernet modem, something that ubuntu doesn't allow. How do I go about doing this?
[08:39] <Nonphasis> eruditus, so you are connected to the modem with normal ethernet card?
[08:40] <eruditus> Nonphasis - yes I am. I've already tried the normal connection using a LAN, but it doesn't seem to work, no matter how I tweak it.
[08:40] <Nonphasis> eruditus, can you connect to the modem?
[08:40] <inklingx> eruditus: does your ISP supports pppoe?
[08:40] <skar> hi, i installed gxmms and when i ran it, i get the error "(gxmms:4201): GConf-CRITICAL **: file gconf-client.c: line 547 (gconf_client_add_dir): assertion `gconf_valid_key (dirname, NULL)' failed"
[08:40] <skar> any idea on how to solve this?
[08:41] <eruditus> Nonphasis - I seem to be able to connect to the modem, since the LAN/ACT lights are blinking.
[08:41] <eruditus> inklingx - my ISP requires pppoe.
[08:41] <Nonphasis> eruditus, can you open the config html page?
[08:42] <inklingx> eruditus: you probably have to install pppoe en pppoeconf (but i have no experience woth those)
[08:42] <eruditus> Nonphasis - where can I find that.
[08:42] <eruditus> inklingx - I wouldn't know how. are they on the CD?
[08:42] <Nonphasis> eruditus, don't know the ip addr?
[08:42] <dieselx> has the final version bn released yet
[08:42] <eruditus> Nonphasis - It's dynamic
[08:42] <rcaskey> so when is hoary going to be open ;)
[08:42] <eruditus> Nonphasis - I shouldn't have to set it.
[08:43] <Nonphasis> eruditus, the address of the modem is static
[08:43] <Nonphasis> eruditus, the manual usually says it...
[08:43] <twitchgame> Nonphasis: not with pppoe
[08:43] <Nonphasis> ah, ok
[08:43] <eruditus> Nonphasis - I've never needed to set it up until now ....
[08:43] <twif> login also
[08:43] <Nonphasis> only thing I know about pppoe is that it sucks :)
[08:43] <maskie> dieselx, yes on wednesday
[08:44] <eruditus> Nonphasis - that may be, but I don't really have a choice :)
[08:46] <inklingx> eruditus: what is the brand and model of your modem?
[08:46] <eruditus> Nonphasis - how do I get root privileges?
[08:46] <eruditus> inklingx - ericsson HM210 - It works on most other dists, but I like ubuntu :)
[08:46] <Nonphasis> eruditus, sudo <command>
[08:47] <eruditus> Nonphasis - thanks.
[08:47] <Nonphasis> eruditus, or system tools -> root terminal
[08:47] <Tzalidar> i have a java issue, when i try to launch eclipse/azureus from the gnome panel nothing happens, but when i launch them from the terminal they work perfectly
[08:48] <eruditus> Nonphasis - thanks again. I'll be back - I think I have an idea :)
[08:49] <twif> Some sort of african animal would be much nicer then human beings for a login screen.. Like an african wild cat.. Such as this cute little fella: http://www.cathouse-fcc.org/gifs-jpegs/southafrica/awcfem.jpg
[08:49] <Kamion> twif: we took out the human images in the final release.
[08:49] <twif> Nice, thank you. ;)
[08:49] <flash\\off> Kamion, cool
[08:50] <flash\\off> Kamion, how can I contact dafydd ?
[08:50] <eruin> why did you take it out?
[08:50] <daf> flash\\off: hi
[08:50] <rcaskey> Everyone I have showed Human to likes the desktop but dislikes the greeter
[08:50] <Kamion> flash\\off: what do you need him for?
[08:50] <rcaskey> its to "someone is paying us to hold hands"
[08:50] <Kamion> eruin: massive community disapproval
[08:50] <eruin> I thought it fit in nicely with the ubuntu logo
[08:50] <Kamion> eruin: we held a community meeting, and the response was overwhelmingly negative.
[08:51] <flash\\off> daf can I pm you ?
[08:51] <eruin> can't argue with that
[08:51] <Kamion> the logs are public, I think, somewhere, but I don't remember where
[08:51] <rcaskey> I think its a good decision
[08:51] <rcaskey> It was a good decision to try the new artwork and a good decision to scrap it
[08:51] <daf> flash\\off: feel free to
[08:51] <eruin> which is why I've always preferred dictatorship above democracy ;)
[08:51] <rcaskey> or at least put it in an optional pkg
[08:52] <Nonphasis> Kamion, mailing list archive has the link
[08:52] <lamont> FAQ: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/ || Wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/ || Lists: http://lists.ubuntu.com/ || Bugs: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/ || warty is out: http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/warty-release-install-i386.iso.torrent || please test http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/warty-rc2-live-i386.iso.torrent
[08:52] <inklingx> Kamion: the meeting was at a time most european ppl where at work, not allowed to use irc ;)
[08:52] <Nonphasis> it was 6pm here
[08:52] <aj> what's the point of "please test .. rc2 .." ?
[08:53] <lamont> aj: so I can update the errata sheet
[08:53] <Nonphasis> and I can't believe using irc is forbidden somewhere...
[08:53] <Kamion> inklingx: I think it would be pretty disingenuous to hold a meeting and then ignore the result on the basis of the timezone, TBH; your mileage may vary
[08:53] <meff> hmm
[08:53] <Nonphasis> CET and EET was 5 and 6 pm
[08:53] <Kamion> inklingx: people had ample opportunity to voice their opinion on the mailing list, and the balance of opinion was negative there too
[08:53] <meff> whats the 'daily summary' equivelant in evolution2?
[08:54] <Nonphasis> se all the parts of europe that matter were there ;-)
[08:54] <LinuxJones> lamont, the live cd bittorrent link does not work.
[08:54] <lamont> gah!
[08:54] <Kamion> lamont: need to get thom to fix that, I suspect
[08:54] <Nonphasis> and one pro-pr0n opinion wouldn't have changed the result
[08:54] <inklingx> Kamion: no prob with me.., it has been decided and the compromis was fair:)
[08:55] <Nonphasis> inklingx, and the theme is still selectable
[08:55] <inklingx> Nonphasis: indeed :) like i said: no prob... let it rest :)
[08:55] <meff> is there any way with gnome's session management that i can get a certain app to open on a specific desktop?
[08:56] <eruin> we're never gonna let those poor americans rest after that silly jackson-tit scandal
[08:56] <lamont> Kamion: I think he's at the DC, and not online. :(
[08:56] <Nonphasis> speaking again of the theme - it's a weird postulation that europeans would have like the theme more
[08:56] <eruin> Nonphasis: let my previous statement put it into perspective for you
[08:56] <aj> what's the policy for point updates of warty?
[08:56] <Nonphasis> aren't most of the "sexy" adverticements etc. coming from usa?
[08:56] <lamont> LinuxJones: on the bright side, the non-torrent should work fine
[08:56] <Kamion> lamont: I'll see if I can SMS him
[08:57] <eruin> Nonphasis: like what? mcdonalds?
[08:57] <eruin> ;)
[08:57] <twif> I think you get much sexier ads from France..
[08:57] <inklingx> Nonphasis: we're more used to such images :p
[08:57] <twif> maybe not britain..
[08:57] <lamont> aj: security/critical corruption gets in, all else goes to hoary
[08:57] <aj> how often?
[08:57] <twif> but everywhere else in europe is more sexy then the US.. ;)
[08:57] <LinuxJones> lamont, I like bittorrent I have a good upload ratio to help with the stream :D
[08:57] <lamont> yeah
[08:57] <Nonphasis> what can be more sexy than Las Vegas or LA? ;-)
[08:57] <zenwhen> twif: I think not
[08:57] <lamont> aj: actually organized as warty/warty-security/warty-updates distros
[08:57] <twif> We can't even say shit on TV in the US, if you don't pay for it..
[08:58] <zenwhen> waaaaaa
[08:58] <inklingx> yesterday: sex in the city at 8pm on a publich chanel in belgium... ;)
[08:58] <twif> can't they show full titties on national TV in france?
[08:58] <lamont> AFAIK, warty is basically shut down (main/restricted for sure)
[08:58] <aj> so warty doesn't change for the entire 18 months, or?
[08:58] <zenwhen> "oh no, the US isnt hedonistic"
[08:58] <Nonphasis> sex in the city rockno
[08:58] <Nonphasis> sex in the city rocks
[08:58] <lamont> warty-security gets security fixes, warty-updates gets whatever else is deemed worthy
[08:58] <eruin> hedonistic, lol
[08:58] <twif> It's hedonistic for sure.. but you gotta pay special for that hedonism..
[08:58] <meff> stvn-food, LinuxJones: i got my bind9 working, i just had to reboot.. i suspect some temporary file issue though not sure, thanks for the help anyways :)
[08:58] <Nonphasis> everything from HBO rocks ;-)
[08:58] <Kamion> aj: "security patches, fixes for critical bugs that could cause data loss, and extra translations" -- http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/releases
[08:58] <LinuxJones> meff,  omg no way :D
[08:59] <lamont> aj: warty-updates presumes that you have warty-security in your sources.list, too.
[08:59] <eruditus> Neophasis -- It worked!! :) pppoeconf using the root terminal :)
[08:59] <inklingx> eruditus: how is tour pppoe?
[08:59] <eruditus> Neophasis - I'm using ubuntu right now :)
[08:59] <Nonphasis> eruditus, great :)
[08:59] <Kamion> aj: details of warty vs. warty-security, not sure yet
[08:59] <zenwhen> Hows dialup support in the Warty Release?
[08:59] <eruditus> inklingx - Thanksa lot :)
[08:59] <meff> LinuxJones: yeah, i'm assuming rndc caches the keyfile in tmp or something and a reboot wiped tmp and it started working .. *shrugs*
[08:59] <aj> btw, what happened to the "find" bar becoming a window in firefox?
[08:59] <LinuxJones> meff,  I'm glad it's working for you anyways
[08:59] <zenwhen> Kamion, are you an ubuntu dev?
[09:00] <Kamion> zenwhen: yes
[09:00] <twif> I think the Serval Cat would make a very nice "mascot" Ubuntu, it's a sleek and fast cat, not much bigger then a common house cat..
[09:00] <eruditus> now I have another question - how do I get the system to start up in the console, without any graphical desktop?
[09:00] <zenwhen> Have you all paid any anntention to dialup suppor?
[09:00] <lamont> aj: and what Kamion said.  I know what the current config of the distros is, dunno if there are plans to snap things back into warty, or leave them on the side.  not my call.
[09:00] <Nonphasis> every ubuntu release has a different mascot
[09:00] <aj> lamont: fair enough
[09:00] <zenwhen> attention to dialup support*
[09:00] <Nonphasis> somenone should draw a cuta mascot character for every release
[09:00] <lamont> aj: I reconfigured all the buildd chroots last night, you see... :_)
[09:00] <Nonphasis> warthogs and whatnot
[09:01] <aj> (a crowd of smiling kids would've been a cooler community picture than ahalf nekkid 3some)
[09:01] <zenwhen> yes, smiling multi-ethnic children
[09:01] <aj> lamont: heh
[09:01] <zenwhen> That owuld have been much better
[09:01] <eruditus> Nonphasis, inklingx - how can I configure ubuntu to start up without any window manager (ie console)?
[09:01] <twif> Some naked african native children, from National Geographic
[09:01] <Nonphasis> b52's, lots of them
[09:02] <zenwhen> or some hot topless african tribe women
[09:02] <zenwhen> :OO
[09:02] <aj> lamont: so how are you coping working on ubuntu anyway? getting withdrawal symptoms from not being able to NMU?
[09:02] <twif> with face paint and stuf
[09:02] <Nonphasis> eruditus, chmod -x /etc/init.d/gdm
[09:02] <zenwhen> Kamion, are you too busy or do you not know?
[09:02] <lamont> aj: reconfigured might be too strong a word.. There was some leftover stuff in there, either backup mirror repositories, or comments, etc.
[09:02] <Kamion> zenwhen: not huge amounts, I have to say, partly because not many of the developers are on dialup
[09:02] <lamont> aj: who said I can't NMU??
[09:02] <Kamion> zenwhen: was busy briefly, I don't IRC *quite* 24/7 :)
[09:02] <zenwhen> Oh, because dialup was totally broken last time I tried.
[09:02] <lamont> but have been busy.
[09:03] <Kamion> zenwhen: we don't configure dialup in the installer
[09:03] <aj> lamont: ubuntu doesn't /have/ NMUs! everything's a maintainer upload!
[09:03] <inklingx> eruditus: or sudo apt-get install rcconf && rcconf ;)
[09:03] <Kamion> zenwhen: if that was because wvdial was missing, we fixed that
[09:03] <lamont> aj: but I can still NMU debian... :)
[09:03] <zenwhen> Kamion, Oh, I configured it myself. Ubuntu could NOT communicate with the modem.
[09:03] <Skif> aj: lamont can NMU *ANYTHING*... he's lamont, after all :)
[09:03] <Tzalidar> gaH! im going crazy :), why can i launch azureus/eclipse from the terminal but not from the gnome panel?
[09:03] <Kamion> lamont: SMSed thom about the torrent brokenness
[09:03] <Nonphasis> Tzalidar, java environment vars?
[09:03] <Tzalidar> it launches from the terminal
[09:04] <zenwhen> Hopefully it will work fine when the disk gets here.
[09:04] <Tzalidar> my environment jars are correct
[09:04] <zenwhen> Ill pra and do an african rain dance.
[09:04] <zenwhen> pray*
[09:04] <Tzalidar> or does gnome have some vars on its own
[09:04] <Kamion> zenwhen: does minicom work?
[09:04] <Tzalidar> netbeans however, successes to launch from the gnome panel
[09:04] <Nonphasis> Tzalidar, well, the env os probably different in non-terminal
[09:04] <Kamion> zenwhen: just wondering if, say, the device is there at all ...
[09:04] <zenwhen> Didnt try minicom. I tried pon and poff
[09:04] <Tzalidar> okay, perhaps i should relogin
[09:04] <zenwhen> It gave an io error
[09:04] <Kamion> zenwhen: does /dev/ttyS0 (or whatever's appropriate) exist?
[09:05] <zenwhen> Kamion, it did.
[09:05] <zenwhen> I dont have it installed now. I was just wondering. If  have probelms with the official release Ill be sure to make a bug report.
[09:05] <Kamion> mmmkay, not a udev thing then
[09:05] <eruditus> Nonphasis and inklingx - thanks again. :)
[09:05] <lamont> thom's fixing the fine torrent, uh, stuff now.
[09:05] <LinuxJones> Any plans to add the Redhat-Config tools to Ubuntu/Debian ?
[09:05] <Kamion> lamont: good-oh
[09:05] <Nonphasis> gee, there is pr0n on tv
[09:05] <zenwhen> redhat-network-config in ubuntu would ROCK
[09:06] <Treenaks> LinuxJones: that's quite pointless isn't it.. redhat tools in a debian distribution
[09:06] <zenwhen> i mean
[09:06] <twif> what's wrong with linuxconf? ;)
[09:06] <zenwhen> network-device-config
[09:06] <LinuxJones> Treenaks, well you would have to modify them obviously
[09:06] <zenwhen> Because network-device-config works EXACTLY how it should. Its the only good option for configuring wvdial with a gui.
[09:07] <zenwhen> I can do without, but it would be nice for the 50% of americans using dialup.
[09:07] <zenwhen> Im sure its more in less developed countries.
[09:07] <Nonphasis> zenwhen, yes, as you said, americas ;-)
[09:07] <zenwhen> as i said
 Im sure its more in less developed countries.
[09:08] <Kamion> hah, I thought the US was actually worse than many countries for this
[09:08] <Kamion> partly due to being so spread out
[09:08] <zenwhen> Its worse than a few socialist "kill you with taxes" countries.
[09:09] <izaac> hi people how can i help translating from english to spanish (mx) ?
[09:09] <zenwhen> I prefer financial freedom to broadband, personally.
[09:09] <zenwhen> lol
[09:09] <Nonphasis> socialist countries? hmm... cuba, china DPROK...
[09:09] <zenwhen> not socialist in the literal sense
[09:09] <izaac> documentation, etc., i mean
[09:09] <zenwhen> socialist in the societal sense and economix sense
[09:09] <twif> socialist/capitalist combos, like norway and sweden?
[09:09] <Nonphasis> yeah, I get it, in the sense of "welfare state"
[09:10] <zenwhen> yes
[09:10] <twif> denmark..
[09:10] <zenwhen> Exactly.
[09:10] <twif> germany..
[09:10] <twif> all those people who speak german or german like languages seem to like that sort of thing..
[09:10] <Nonphasis> bet what about Ubuntu? :)
[09:11] <Kamion> mmmkay, talk about dialup was on-topic, let's not veer too far into economic theory here
[09:11] <zenwhen> k
[09:11] <zenwhen> lol
[09:11] <Nonphasis> actually, the "welfare model" is going out of the fashion in a lot of europe, at least finland
[09:11] <zenwhen> anyway, I hope it works ok in warty, because i REALLY want to give Ubuntu an honest shot.
[09:12] <zenwhen> Also, I hope my Nvidia 6800 works fine.
[09:12] <Kamion> zenwhen: if it doesn't, do file a bug, then at least we can try to fix it for hoary
[09:12] <zenwhen> Because it didnt in the beta I downloaded
[09:12] <Nonphasis> nvidia cards work well in linux
[09:12] <zenwhen> Yeah
[09:12] <Nonphasis> I'm happy I bought one
[09:12] <zenwhen> It works fine in Slackware.
[09:12] <Kamion> zenwhen: did you file a bug about the beta?
[09:12] <Nonphasis> zenwhen, did you put "nvidia" in /etc/modules?
[09:13] <zenwhen> no
[09:13] <zenwhen> Never had to with slackware
[09:13] <zenwhen> Didnt know it was required
[09:13] <Kamion> zenwhen: drat - that was really the time to tell us about problems, so that we could make sure they were fixed
[09:13] <Nonphasis> zenwhen, well, that's why. you had to in early Ubunti
[09:13] <zenwhen> Oh
[09:13] <ficusplanet> Does anybody know why the freetype autohinter is disabled by default in Ubuntu?
[09:13] <Nonphasis> zenwhen, it' a bug in bugzilla
[09:13] <zenwhen> Well Ill hope things are fixed. I was too frustrated to file bugs.
[09:14] <Nonphasis> speaking of which - is Ubunti the plural for Ubuntu?
[09:14] <zenwhen> If not, ill file bugs.
[09:14] <Kamion> LinuxJones: rc2 live torrent's fixed now, AFAIK
[09:14] <Kamion> Nonphasis: um, good question, doubt it, sounds a bit too faux-Latin
[09:14] <Nonphasis> zenwhen, it's often a good idea to searh bugzilla at least
[09:14] <Kamion> Nonphasis: the Zulu word "ubuntu" is not really something that's pluralisable
[09:14] <zenwhen> I set up a couple of my family members with Ubuntu.
[09:14] <zenwhen> And they love it.
[09:14] <LinuxJones> Kamion, ty
[09:15] <zenwhen> It just didnt like my system.
[09:15] <Nonphasis> everything is pluralizable, just like everything is verbable
[09:15] <zenwhen> For those using low end, yet 1Ghz + consumer PC's Ubuntu is a blessing.
[09:15] <Erix> can anyone compare ubuntu with a recent mandrake version?
[09:15] <aj> some things are the same when pluralulated
[09:16] <Nonphasis> Erix, summary: Ubuntu rockorz, mdk suxxorz
[09:16] <Nonphasis> Erix, j/k
[09:16] <meff> hmm.. i have to rerun vmware-config.pl everytime i reboot, im assuming its udev related.. has anyone written anything about vmware on the wiki or elsewhere? last time i checked the wiki my search didn't turn up anything
[09:16] <zenwhen> Erix, ubuntu is ligter, has a better package management sytem, and doesnt dumb things down as much as Manflake.
[09:16] <Nonphasis> Mandrake breaks a lot
[09:16] <Nonphasis> Ubuntu has been stable as a rock for me
[09:16] <LinuxJones> Erix, Ubuntu does not have all of the gui config stuff that Mandrake has but runs much snappier.
[09:16] <moyote> Same here, stable.
[09:16] <zenwhen> more like manbreak am i rite?
[09:16] <iz> meff, me to
[09:17] <Erix> Nonphasis: Ok. Thanks you for the detailed comparision. I'm wiping my mdk install and installing ubuntu. ;)
[09:17] <meff> heh, dont forget roothat! :P
[09:17] <moyote> And the wireless setup is painless , for me anyway.
[09:17] <Nonphasis> Erix, the one problem you might face is the kde -> gnome learning curve
[09:17] <Erix> LinuxJones; how is ubuntu's auto detection during install?
[09:17] <zenwhen> Erix, better than any other distro to date
[09:18] <meff> iz: find anything? :/
[09:18] <Kamion> hm, Bantu possibly more accurate linguistically than Zulu, not that I'm an expert ...
[09:18] <LinuxJones> Erix, very good it found all of my hardware just fine.
[09:18] <iz> nope, i'm installing tmorrow the amd64 version and give it a shot
[09:18] <Phoop> Hello; if I export something; like the /usr/local/java/bin; it goes well. But when i restart the shell; the export is gone ? How can i do it so it wont be reset
[09:19] <Erix> Nonphasis; yes. i don't like gnome very much but it should'nt be to hard to install kde
[09:19] <moyote> What was I read in the forums, a long, long tirade about offending first time users. Was he referring to the splash screen? Does anybody know?
[09:19] <twif> Ubuntu is all about the gnome desktop?
[09:19] <meff> moyote: i think the desktop that had guys and girls covering their nipples :)
[09:19] <zenwhen> Yes
[09:19] <Nonphasis> Erix, actually, that's a bit of a problem because the Ubuntu effort mostly goes towards Gnome, so it's the "recommended" desktop
[09:19] <zenwhen> Ubuntu is gnome-centric
[09:19] <skaught> Phoop: You need to at that to your .bash_profile script (or .bashrc)
[09:19] <LinuxJones> Erix, try Gnome for a few days I bet you will love it :)
[09:19] <moyote> meff, Thanks, that's what I thought.
[09:20] <Nonphasis> Gnome took a week for me
[09:20] <Phoop> Allright; thank you; will try that :)
[09:20] <Kamion> moyote: that should all be gone now
[09:20] <zenwhen> Gnome is the future of the linux desktop.
[09:20] <cenerentola> all: any italian?
[09:20] <iz> gnome and gdesklets rokz
[09:20] <Nonphasis> it's slightly harder to "learn" than KDE, you have to read the manual a bit
[09:20] <Erix> LinuxJones; i'm sure it is a nice desktop. But i'm used to kde. But i'll give it a try.
[09:20] <Nonphasis> like I didn't know shift+ctrl+drag -> symlink
[09:20] <moyote> Kamion, you mean the splash screen? Strange, I wasn't offended, but I guess with political correctness the word of the day... well,,, you know
[09:20] <zenwhen> Better hardware detection and interaction, better file manager, future cairo support.
[09:20] <jacob> Can someone point me to a doc explaining how to inspect a .deb-package, check what files and permissions it installs, what scripts it runs on install/removal etc ?
[09:21] <Erix> installing other desktops like fluxbox is hard?
[09:21] <Tzalidar> does gnome have specal env vars?
[09:21] <Nonphasis> Erix, no, stuff from Sid is available
[09:21] <Tzalidar> because java apps launch from the terminal but not from the panel ;)
[09:21] <Phoop> Works skaught; thank u
[09:21] <iz> sudo apt-get install fluxbox
[09:21] <skaught> Phoop: np :)
[09:21] <zenwhen> KDE is great for those who just cant let go of windows like desktops. Gnome is a lot like the windows desktop but doenst hold itself in close confomity to being so.
[09:21] <moyote> Well, in my opinion, the gnome desktop is not as cluttered as KDE. I'm not speaking badly of kde, however.
[09:21] <Nonphasis> Tzalidar, make an app that dumps the env to a file and launch that
[09:21] <Erix> also; does anybody use ubuntu on a laptop?
[09:21] <twif> Does ubuntu grab packages from a different repository then standard Debian?
[09:22] <zenwhen> Its more mac like than Windows like now.
[09:22] <Nonphasis> Tzalidar, or a script rather
[09:22] <skaught> twif: Yes, it has it's own repository
[09:22] <zenwhen> I am speaking badly of KDE. Its crap. lol
[09:22] <skaught> twif: It has a much smaller package set, to maintain a more cohesive desktop distro
[09:22] <moyote> :-)) Well..... I knew someone would say that.
[09:22] <moyote> Exactly, skaught
[09:23] <moyote> Has anyone had a problem getting xmms to work. I have.
[09:23] <Nonphasis> KDE is techically great, but 1) Qt license sucks and 2) It's too autistic a project, or at least has been so far
[09:23] <Tzalidar> i have the java env vars in ~/.bashrc
[09:23] <Erix> does apm or acpi work?
[09:23] <Nonphasis> kde4 probably fixes that
[09:23] <Nonphasis> Tzalidar, bashrc is no good in ubuntu
[09:23] <cenerentola> nonphasis: what do you mean with autistic?
[09:23] <Tzalidar> okay ;)
[09:23] <zenwhen> KDE represents the main reason why first time users of linux think its not ready for the desktop.
[09:23] <Tzalidar> where should i put the java vars?
[09:24] <Nonphasis> cenerentola, too focused on doing everything on its own
[09:24] <cenerentola> not that unix... maybe=?
[09:24] <MarcN> man, takes for ever to install warty on a laptop.  Going on 40 minutes after the reboot.
[09:24] <kent> Tzalidar, my java application (Azureus) starts automagicaly from the panel. Strange that your doesnt.
[09:24] <MarcN> kacpid is using a lot of time.
[09:24] <skaught> MarcN: That sucks, it took me maybe 20 on a laptop in VMware :)
[09:24] <Nonphasis> zenwhen, I disagree. KDE 3.2 was the first desktop that made me think Linux desktop is *ready*
[09:24] <MarcN> 98% cpu.
[09:24] <Tzalidar> kent, are you using java 5?
[09:25] <zenwhen> Its unprofessional looking, gaudy, and cluttered. It has no user interface guidlines that anyone adheres to, and it isnt making headway in the realm of integreation with HA and DBUS as Gnome is.
[09:25] <meff> moyote: no not the login screen, there was a desktop background a little more revealing :)
[09:25] <zenwhen> HAL*
[09:25] <cenerentola> well another thing that sucks really is yoper
[09:25] <Nonphasis> zenwhen, kde4 does tha hal/dbus dance
[09:25] <moyote> meff, yeah, I know now . Thanks for the clarification.
[09:25] <zenwhen> KDE gets more "Windows Like" every month.
[09:25] <cenerentola> well the installation it's too "look at me im took geeky for you..."
[09:25] <zenwhen> I dont think thats the direction we want to head.
[09:26] <twitchgame> There are plenty of other KDE distros ... I hope it stays mostly out of Ubuntu
[09:26] <Tzalidar> hmm, maybe azureus/eclipse arent that java5 ready yet
[09:26] <zenwhen> I hope KDE stays FAR away from ubuntu.
[09:26] <Tzalidar> i am the bleeding edge kind of person :) so i want azureus and eclipse working in java 5 under ubuntu :D
[09:26] <zenwhen> Sure people can install it, but I hope it isnt supporte.
[09:26] <cenerentola> im proud to announce that im taking ubuntu in the computer lab of our village's school
[09:26] <zenwhen> d
[09:26] <Nonphasis> Tzalidar, azureus sucks. Get a real Python bt client :)
[09:26] <Tzalidar> cenertola, cool :)
[09:27] <kent> Tzalidar, no. Wait and il check what version i have.
[09:27] <cenerentola> get mldonkey
[09:27] <Phoop> Tzalidar, you can edit the azureus sh file; so it points to the right java dir; works for me; just testen
[09:27] <Tzalidar> kent, java -version
[09:27] <plovs> anybody succesfully mounted NFS? i edited /etc/defaults/portmap, still no go!
[09:27] <zenwhen> I use btdownloadheadless.py, because im too hardcore for the gui XD
[09:27] <Nonphasis> mldonkey is sub-optimal for bt
[09:27] <Tzalidar> ok, goin' to test now :)
[09:27] <moyote> xmms: cannot open shared objec file: No such file or directory.  libmikmod.so.2.  Any ideas?
[09:27] <Tzalidar> Nonphasis, yeah, python rox!!! :)
[09:27] <Tzalidar> the nice thing about azureus
[09:27] <Nonphasis> + 'screen', of course
[09:27] <cenerentola> i think perl its fairly better than pythin
[09:27] <cenerentola> ...python mainly for the culture...
[09:28] <LinuxJones> moyote, install libmikmod2
[09:28] <Tzalidar> is that you can launch it from firefox
[09:28] <skaught> What's the deal with the chan today... X vs Y vs J....
[09:28] <kent> Tzalidar, Blackdown 1.4.1  (Not Suns java, but i have had no problems with it)
[09:28] <Tzalidar> okay
[09:28] <LinuxJones> Bittirnado is my fav BT client
[09:28] <zenwhen> skaught, its all my fault
[09:28] <LinuxJones> err bittornado
[09:28] <skaught> zenwhen: hehe
[09:28] <Kamion> Nonphasis: http://isizulu.net/grammar/ suggests there's no grammatical plural of "ubuntu"
[09:28] <zenwhen> I am the harbringer of doom
[09:28] <zenwhen> :OO
[09:28] <kent> Tzalidar, I guess that maybe becaus i installed it via synaptic (apt) it put it in the PATH so that it always works..
[09:29] <Kamion> (wow, that was a massive digression into web-searching)
[09:29] <Tzalidar> yeah, java works perfectly from the terminal for me
[09:29] <Tzalidar> i can launch azureus from a terminal
[09:29] <Tzalidar> but i can't launch it from the gnome panel
[09:29] <Nonphasis> Kamion, hmm. I need to make one up then ;-)
[09:29] <Tzalidar> maybe i should wait getting java 5 for a while and stick with java 1.4x
[09:29] <Phoop> Tzalidar, it works fine for me here now
[09:30] <Tzalidar> java5?
[09:30] <moyote> LinuxJones, Ok, thanks, I 'll go that.
[09:30] <Phoop> Yeah
[09:30] <Tzalidar> from the gnome panel?
[09:30] <Phoop> Just edited the azureus file in the dir
[09:30] <Phoop> Uhm; from the map in nautilus
[09:30] <moyote> LinuxJones, Thanks again, that did the trick. :-)
[09:30] <Nonphasis> Kamion, though one rarely sees "debians" in english as well
[09:30] <LinuxJones> moyote, :)
[09:31] <Phoop> Tzalidar, also from the panel :)
[09:31] <skaught> Tzalidar: If you updated any environment variables, they won't exist in the X session until you restart.
[09:31] <Tzalidar> are you using the jre or the jdk?
[09:31] <zenwhen> Who here has an NTFS partition?
[09:31] <cenerentola> what's the best burning software for ubuntu?
[09:31] <skaught> Tzalidar: (restart your X session)
[09:31] <Tzalidar> okay, i have restarted my computer
[09:31] <Tzalidar> i did it before
[09:32] <Nonphasis> cenerentola, for data cd burning you should use nautilus
[09:32] <cenerentola> nonphasis: for the others?
[09:32] <Phoop> skaught, enviremont variables are ur bashrc ?
[09:32] <Nonphasis> cenerentola, k3b didn't cut the mustard for me
[09:32] <Kamion> Nonphasis: of course, Debian is a constructed word whereas Ubuntu isn't
[09:32] <jari-> sorry, but does anybody know where can I find blueish Ubuntu wallpaper .. ?
[09:32] <Nonphasis> jari-, internet?
[09:32] <skaught> Phoop: Yah, things you "export" to the environment
[09:32] <cenerentola> nonphasys: so?
[09:32] <zenwhen> I wish there was a nice gnome audio cd burning app
[09:32] <Phoop> K
[09:33] <Nonphasis> yeah, there is no audio cd burner in ubuntu
[09:33] <meff> hrmm.. why all the hate for k3b :/
[09:33] <Treenaks> Nonphasis: command-line there is
[09:33] <Nonphasis> xcdroast didn't work either
[09:33] <meff> its pretty nice, get over the toolkit war and use it ;)
[09:33] <ficusplanet> zenwhen, Soon both rhythmbox and muine will burn audio cds
[09:33] <zenwhen> meff because of the qt license
[09:33] <cenerentola> groaster?
[09:33] <zenwhen> ficusplanet, and i will have a gnomegasm
[09:33] <Kamion> zenwhen: dude, the Qt licence thing is *so* 20th century
[09:33] <cenerentola> eroaster?
[09:33] <Nonphasis> Treenaks, possibly, but that's asking too much for simple task like cd burning
[09:33] <meff> zenwhen: how? the only licensing problem is if you use it for private programs in windows
[09:34] <zenwhen> Kamion, yeah lets just forget that whole free software" thing.
[09:34] <Treenaks> Nonphasis: yes, it should be added in nautilus-cd-burner
[09:34] <Treenaks> Nonphasis: of course..
[09:34] <Kamion> zenwhen: Qt is available under the GPL
[09:34] <zenwhen> I wont use ANYTHING with a restrictive license.
[09:34] <zenwhen> Just personal preference.
[09:34] <Nonphasis> zenwhen, like, say, Linux kernel? ;-)
[09:34] <meff> heh ok.. dont buy a 3d card then
[09:34] <meff> ;)
[09:34] <zenwhen> oh what an argument
[09:35] <zenwhen> @_@
[09:35] <LinuxJones> lol meff
[09:35] <MarcN> where do I find the printers?  though it should be under 'computer'
[09:35] <zenwhen> meff, I make certain exceptions. The kernel cannot be done without.
[09:35] <meff> i understand zealotry but some people go a little too far :/
[09:35] <zenwhen> Nvidias drivers cant be done without if I want to play games.
[09:36] <zenwhen> QT... i can do without. And do.
[09:36] <LinuxJones> MarcN, Compter >> System Config >> printing
[09:36] <Nonphasis> zenwhen, commendable
[09:36] <MarcN> LinuxJones: yeah, found it.
[09:36] <Kamion> a big whack of Ubuntu is GPLed. Let's not have the old "GPL is too restrictive" war here; it's not going to achieve anything.
[09:36] <Nonphasis> zenwhen, I'm often partial towards a session of Enemy Territory as well :)
[09:37] <zenwhen> Im a UT whore. :(
[09:37] <zenwhen> Im stuck with closed binary drivers.
[09:37] <zenwhen> lol
[09:37] <meff> Kamion: im just saying some people should get over themselves and use something that works but has a 'not free enough' license, rather than something/nothing shoddy and buggy
[09:38] <michel_v> hmm
[09:38] <zenwhen> meff, no they should either help with or develope things under a free license.
[09:38] <michel_v> so, my laptop lost all battery life while in the second step of installation
[09:38] <meff> sigh.
[09:38] <zenwhen> develop*
[09:38] <lamont> MarkN: long time no chat
[09:38] <Phoop> Anyone any experience with gtkpod ?
[09:38] <michel_v> and when booting, ubuntu led me to aptitude
[09:38] <Nonphasis> most of the time GPL is great
[09:38] <michel_v> WTF is one supposed to do with aptitude?
[09:38] <Nonphasis> i.e. non-libraries
[09:38] <michel_v> so I used dpkg --configure -a
[09:39] <michel_v> to resume the installatio
[09:39] <Kamion> michel_v: when you're done, hit a shell and type 'aptitude install ~tubuntu-desktop'
[09:39] <michel_v> perhaps ubuntu should check and try to use this instead of aptitude ;
[09:39] <michel_v> :)
[09:39] <Kamion> michel_v: nah, would be less helpful, we'd rather encourage people to get the ubuntu-desktop task installed
[09:39] <mdz> michel_v: you only end up in aptitude if your installation failed for some reason
[09:39] <michel_v> mdz: it failed because battery died in the middle :)
[09:39] <Nonphasis> wow - just tried, and U *does* have dselect
[09:40] <mdz> Nonphasis: of course
[09:40] <Nonphasis> mdz, is it really needed, w/ aptitude & all?
[09:40] <Kamion> Nonphasis: some of the developers, like me, still like dselect ... :-)
[09:40] <Nonphasis> I used to be a fan of dselect as well, but that was before aptitude & synaptic
[09:40] <Kamion> Nonphasis: as I said on the mailing list recently, I find aptitude's UI even worse than dselect's notoriously eccentric one
[09:41] <lamont> Nonphasis: apt-cache show dpkg| grep Depend
[09:41] <lamont> Pre-Depends: dselect, libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4)
[09:41] <lamont> that's why it's there, in part
[09:41] <Nonphasis> lamont, good point. I just have to wonder why
[09:41] <Kamion> the pre-depends is required for upgrades from woody.
[09:41] <lamont> Kamion: 100% agreement on the 2 UI's
[09:41] <lamont> synaptic has at least some promise
[09:41] <zenwhen> the moment I can burn a playlist to a cd with rhythmbox, I'll explode with glee from a very human part of me
[09:42] <meff> for a terminal ui, though.. i'd go with aptitude over dselect anyday
[09:42] <Nonphasis> actually, dselect has been getting more bad press than it deserves
[09:42] <Kamion> if it's not there, then if you upgraded with dselect then you could find yourself with dselect disappearing under your feet during the upgrade, which would be profoundly unpleasant to say the least.
[09:42] <lamont> dselect is great.  it just doesn't really scale to 10000 packages.
[09:42] <lamont> or even 2000, for that matter.
[09:42] <meff> heh i remember first installing debian about 5 years ago and dselect coming up after the install.. ooh boy was i confused
[09:43] <Kamion> meff: I've seen pretty similar reactions to aptitude, really; I don't think it's a big improvement for new users
[09:43] <MarcN> Hi lamont
[09:43] <Nonphasis> well, dselect was better than what competition had (rh had nothing)
[09:43] <meff> Kamion: i dont think you can get much better though other than a gui interface..
[09:44] <meff> rh still has basically nothing for yum
[09:44] <Nonphasis> not yet
[09:44] <Nonphasis> yum is already improvement on the horrible old situation
[09:44] <twitchgame> not like yum really needs anything to be useful. but it would be nice
[09:44] <Kamion> dselect's main issue as far as I'm concerned is that it's too closely tied to dpkg (desired package states live in /var/lib/dpkg/status)
[09:45] <plovs> NFS anybody?
[09:45] <meff> besides i never use the aptitude ui, i just use it commandline because i like its package tracking features
[09:45] <Kamion> iwj (the author) admitted that as a design flaw last time I talked to him about it
[09:46] <meff> Kamion: on the if-i-corrupt-this-im-screwed front or some other reason?
[09:46] <Kamion> meff: hm?
[09:46] <punkass> i know this is not an ubuntu questoin..but does anyone how to edit what starts at boot up on fedora?
[09:46] <Kamion> meff: no, more that it makes direct replacements that aren't built out of the dpkg source package a bit awkward
[09:46] <punkass> i need to stop exim from starting and get postfix to start
[09:46] <Nonphasis> punkass, /etc/init.d, as usual
[09:46] <Kamion> meff: and it's a layering violation
[09:47] <twitchgame> punkass: ntsysv
[09:47] <meff> ahh
[09:47] <LinuxJones> punkass, redhat-config-services
[09:47] <Nonphasis> punkass, chmod -x the exim script
[09:47] <kent> punkass, they have a GUI for it in the menus in gnome aswell. Dont remember its name though. Services something.. i think.
[09:47] <Nonphasis> and, as LinuxJones said, the svc config app :)
[09:47] <punkass> its a server so there is no gui
[09:47] <meff> punkass: chkconfig, and service
[09:48] <LinuxJones> punkass, that will work in console as well I think
[09:48] <Nonphasis> sysvinit kinda sucks
[09:48] <Nonphasis> is that blasphemy?
[09:48] <meff> kinda? :)
[09:48] <lamont> punkass: apt-get install postfix should cause exim to go away
[09:48] <punkass> yeah thats whay i thought
[09:48] <Nonphasis> lamont, in fedora?
[09:48] <punkass> what*
[09:48] <lamont> Nonphasis: missed the OT comment ahead of the question
[09:49] <punkass> but i was getting errrors trying to run postfix untill i stoped exim
[09:49] <lamont> you would.  that's why they conflict in any sane system.
[09:49] <punkass> cuz exim had the lock on the port
[09:50] <meff> punkass: service exim stop; service postfix start
[09:50] <zenwhen> Nonphasis, Im going to miss Slackware's BSD-stly ini system
[09:50] <zenwhen> style*
[09:50] <zenwhen> ;-;
[09:50] <iz> postfix reload
[09:50] <punkass> meff:yes i know that...i just dont want to have to do that everytime i reboot the server
[09:50] <Nonphasis> i think what we need is a pythonic init
[09:50] <meff> punkass: ahh, man chkconfig
[09:51] <Nonphasis> punkass, or, just chmod -x /etc/init.d/exim
[09:51] <meff> that works but its not the right way ;)
[09:51] <Nonphasis> i know
[09:51] <Nonphasis> it's the dirty way
[09:51] <punkass> lol...ok ill check out that stuff... thanks
[09:51] <Nonphasis> man's gotta do w t m gotta do
[09:52] <meff> just use chkconfig and disable it on every runlevel
[09:52] <punkass> yeah...just reading the man page now...thanks
[09:52] <Nonphasis> ubuntu should have chkconfig as well
[09:52] <jacob> Is there a way to use apt-get to just download .deb-packages, as a normal user, not as root ?
[09:52] <Nonphasis> sowetimes debian chooses a "wrong" approach
[09:53] <meff> bah Nonphasis i do all the init ln'ing by hand :)
[09:53] <Nonphasis> meff, good luck on that ;-)
[09:53] <Skif> note to self: when building an ubuntu-like kernel using make-kpkg, remember to specify --initrd
[09:53] <Skif> d'oh!
[09:53] <Nonphasis> meff, that's how some early Linux books suggest it be done
[09:53] <meff> really? hah
[09:54] <meff> i've never read a linux book
[09:54] <meff> im au naturale or something :P
[09:54] <Nonphasis> reading a book is good too
[09:54] <Nonphasis> I read every book I can get my hands on, just for the kicks :)
[09:55] <Nonphasis> playboy suckso
[09:55] <iz> :)
[09:55] <Nonphasis> for pr0n, just call 555-INTERNET
[09:55] <meff> oh your one of those who just 'read' it
[09:55] <meff> hehe
[09:56] <Nonphasis> ok, I am really drunk enough
[09:56] <Tomcat_> Well he's right...
[09:56] <Tomcat_> Playboy sucks for p0rn.
[09:56] <Nonphasis> gotta meet the pals @ bar
[09:56] <Skif> "The Internet is really an outstanding pornography-delivery vehicle." (name that quote)
[09:56] <Nonphasis> yeah, it's hardly pr0n
[09:56] <Nonphasis> almost as much as donald duck (no pants there)
[09:56] <punkass> meff: thanks again..worked like a charm
[09:56] <meff> punkass: cool np
[09:57] <cenerentola> who can tell me how to erase a rw cd?
[09:57] <Tomcat_> "The Internet was designed to be a scaling, undestroyable network so that in a Nuclear war, American military leaders would still have access to pornography"
[09:58] <punkass> haha
[09:58] <cenerentola> who said that?
[09:58] <Tomcat_> Wait, maybe I can find it...
[09:59] <Tomcat_> http://www.deadtroll.com/video/parents.html
[09:59] <Tomcat_> This is it. :)
[09:59] <meff> cenerentola: cdrecord blank=fast dev=/dev/whatever speed=whatever
[10:01] <cenerentola> yeah but in ubuntu how should i run it
[10:01] <meff> w/ sudo
[10:01] <eruditus> I've just installed an application (lyx) and it's not showing up in the menus...
[10:02] <meff> eruditus: if its from universe i dont think it will
[10:02] <jacob> How do I calulate the url of a deb.package ?
[10:02] <eruditus> meff- darn. thanks :)
[10:02] <cenerentola> enrico@testoclone:~ $ cdrecord blank=fast dev=/dev/hdc
[10:02] <cenerentola> Cdrecord-Clone 2.01a29 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2004 Jrg Schilling
[10:02] <cenerentola> NOTE: this version of cdrecord is an unofficial (modified) release of cdrecord
[10:02] <cenerentola>       and thus may have bugs that are not present in the original version.
[10:02] <cenerentola>       Please send bug reports and support requests to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:02] <cenerentola>       The original author should not be bothered with problems of this version.
[10:02] <cenerentola> cdrecord: Operation not permitted. WARNING: Cannot set RR-scheduler
[10:02] <cenerentola> cdrecord: Permission denied. WARNING: Cannot set priority using setpriority().
[10:03] <cenerentola> cdrecord: WARNING: This causes a high risk for buffer underruns.
[10:03] <cenerentola> scsidev: '/dev/hdc'
[10:03] <cenerentola> devname: '/dev/hdc'
[10:03] <cenerentola> scsibus: -2 target: -2 lun: -2
[10:03] <cenerentola> Warning: Open by 'devname' is unintentional and not supported.
[10:03] <HeMan> Hi! I've just installed ubuntu but there are some programs that i'm missing, could i download source from debian unstable and create a deb that works with ubuntu?
[10:03] <cenerentola> Linux sg driver version: 3.5.27
[10:03] <cenerentola> Using libscg version 'ubuntu-0.8ubuntu1'.
[10:03] <cenerentola> cdrecord: Warning: using unofficial version of libscg (ubuntu-0.8ubuntu1 '@(#)scsitransp.c      1.90 04/01/14 Copyright 1988,1995,2000-2004 J. Schilling').
[10:03] <cenerentola> Device type    : Removable CD-ROM
[10:03] <iz> wow
[10:03] <cenerentola> Version        : 0
[10:03] <cenerentola> Response Format: 2
[10:03] <cenerentola> Capabilities   :
[10:03] <meff> meep
[10:03] <Kamion> cenerentola: don't do that, please.
[10:03] <cenerentola> Vendor_info    : 'TOSHIBA '
[10:03] <iz> ho
[10:03] <cenerentola> Identifikation : 'DVD-ROM SD-M1712'
[10:03] <twitchgame> ummmmm
[10:03] <cenerentola> Revision       : '1004'
[10:03] <cenerentola> Device seems to be: Generic mmc2 DVD-ROM.
[10:03] <iz> stop
[10:03] <cenerentola> cdrecord: Sorry, no CD/DVD-Recorder or unsupported CD/DVD-Recorder found on this target.
[10:03] <jacob> Thanks cenerentola, my questions is now very likely to not be seen
[10:03] <cenerentola> ...sorry
[10:03] <Kamion> cenerentola: never paste without asking for permission.
[10:04] <Kamion> and never paste large quantities outside #flood
[10:04] <meff> cenerentola: try with sudo..
[10:04] <HeMan> Hi! I've just installed ubuntu but there are some programs that i'm missing, could i download source from debian unstable and create a deb that works with ubuntu?
[10:04] <eruditus> meff- of course, it's much easier to add an item in ubuntu than in W*ndoze... :)
[10:04] <iz> HeMan, why not?
[10:04] <HeMan> (wrote it again since the flooding...)
[10:04] <skar> hi, when i run "apt-get -you install gnotime", i get the error "gnotime: Depends: libgtkhtml3.1-11 (>= 3.1.19) but it is not going to be installed". what do i do now?
[10:05] <HeMan> iz: wasn't sure
[10:05] <Kamion> jacob: 'apt-cache show <package>', look at the Filename: field, tack onto the end of the repository it's coming from
[10:05] <calc> toshiba 1712 is just a 16x DVD-ROM not a writeable
[10:05] <eruditus> one more question --- how do I change the services running? I need to do that in order to change my sound driver. It has, as always, been miss-detected...
[10:05] <skar> i did a "apt-show-versions | grep gtkht" and got "libgtkhtml3.2-11/warty uptodate 3.2.3-0ubuntu1"
[10:05] <Solkaris> shar got universe and multiverse in your etc/apt/sources.list?
[10:06] <skar> so, whats this fuss about libgtkhtml not there and can't be installed, when its there already?
[10:06] <eruditus> anyone?
[10:06] <skar> solkaris:you asking me?
[10:07] <Solkaris> skar yep
[10:07] <skar> solkaris:no only universe there
[10:07] <Kamion> jacob: or 'apt-get -qqy --print-uris --reinstall <package>' (but that'll print the URIs of dependencies too)
[10:07] <Solkaris> skar hmmm
[10:07] <skar> solkaris:though, i dunno what universe or multiverse are?
[10:08] <eruditus> meff- do you know how to access the services running and change them?
[10:08] <skar> solkaris:how can libgtkhtml cannot be installed, when its already installed?
[10:08] <jacob> Kamion, ok, that should get me going , thanks
[10:08] <Solkaris> Skar try adding multiverse to sources.list and see if it will install then
[10:09] <aardvark> bonjour everyone
[10:09] <Solkaris> skar not sure .. but ran into a problem that was similar to yours and adding multiverse to the sources.list got it to work
[10:09] <eruditus> anyone?!?!?!?!!!?!?!?!??!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
[10:10] <skar> solkaris:does that mean changing "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe" to "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe multiverse" ?
[10:10] <aardvark> how would I be able t verify that I am indeed running Ubuntu 1.0 instead of a RC version
[10:10] <aardvark> i followed upgrade docs
[10:10] <skar> solkaris:guess i've got to learn apt-get and unlearn emerge :(
[10:11] <Kamion> skar: right
[10:11] <Solkaris> skar forget that I just tried it and it still doesnt work
[10:12] <aardvark> uname results = Linux ubuntu <IP_ADDRESS>-3-386 #1 Tue Oct 12 12:41:57 BST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux
[10:12] <cenerentola> all: how can i turn on the navigation bar in nautilus?
[10:12] <andred> When will the pressed CD's be sent out?
[10:12] <eruditus> I need to access the services..... HELP!!!
[10:13] <aardvark> eruditus: which services
[10:13] <eruditus> aardvark- the running services - like sound, etc...
[10:13] <aardvark> eruditus: what do you want to do ?
[10:13] <eruditus> aardvark- is there some kind of management program for that?
[10:14] <eruditus> aardvark- I need to switch a sound driver. My sound-card is always mis-detected...
[10:14] <aardvark> like control center
[10:14] <aardvark> aah
[10:14] <eruditus> aardvark- yeah...
[10:14] <eruditus> aardvark- like the mandrake control center
[10:15] <aardvark> theres a gnome control center
[10:15] <LinuxJones> eruditus, what kind of sound card do you have ?
[10:15] <HeMan> are there any other types besides restricted, universe and multiverse?
[10:15] <eruditus> aardvark- how do I access that?
[10:15] <mirak_> andred, they will be sent mid november......as soon as they are done being pressed
[10:15] <eruditus> LinuxJones- An AC97...
[10:15] <HeMan> i've added those but still missing some programs, eg netperf
[10:16] <aardvark> on the command line
[10:16] <eruditus> LinuxJones- the autodetection always gets the wrong one...
[10:16] <aardvark> type gnome-control-center
[10:16] <eruditus> aardvark- thank you :)
[10:16] <calc> cenerentola: still here?
[10:17] <aardvark> eruditus: select the ADVANCED icon then use Multimedia Systems Selector
[10:17] <cenerentola> calc: what's wrong whith that?
[10:17] <calc> uh kline that fool
[10:17] <eruditus> aardvark- thanks :)
[10:17] <iz> wow
[10:17] <LinuxJones> Keyser wtf ??
[10:17] <eruditus> KeyserSoze- STOP
[10:17] <aardvark> eruditus: no worries
[10:18] <calc> cenerentola: do you have more than one optical drive in the system? the one you pasted before isn't a writable drive, not sure if you saw my response earlier
[10:18] <Tzalidar> gah, now i downgraded my jdk to 1.4.2_06 and i still can't launch eclipse from the gnome panel
[10:18] <Tzalidar> why, oh, why :)