[00:00] <semioticrobotic> ha!  no worries
[00:00] <jaminday> semioticrobotic: ha that's great - you must have been on autopilot when you did it if you forgot!
[00:00] <semioticrobotic> yeah, and it was a few days ago
[00:01] <semioticrobotic> I just made a supereditor decision and commented out the entire section of Chapter 7 devoted to sudo
[00:01] <semioticrobotic> someone left a comment saying that this was covered elsewhere in the manual ... and indeed it is
[00:01] <jaminday> really?
[00:01] <jaminday> i didn't realise
[00:01] <humphreybc> what's that?
[00:01] <humphreybc> oh hi everyone
[00:01] <jaminday> heeeeeeeres humphreybc
[00:01] <semioticrobotic> evening humphreybc
[00:02] <semioticrobotic> (at least, it is where I am!)
[00:02] <humphreybc> it's a ridiculously nice day here
[00:02] <jaminday> "I just made a supereditor decision and commented out the entire section of Chapter 7 devoted to sudo" -- semioticrobotic about 3 seconds before humphreybc arrived
[00:03] <semioticrobotic> thanks, jaminday
[00:03] <semioticrobotic> sudo is covered extensively enough in Chapter 6
[00:04] <humphreybc> okay, cool
[00:05] <semioticrobotic> now, someone left a comment suggesting that section be converted into something on permissions
[00:05] <semioticrobotic> I agree, but it means we need someone to write a section on permissions!
[00:05] <jaminday> could it wait till 10.10?
[00:05] <semioticrobotic> unfortunately, I don't know enough about permissions to do this
[00:05] <semioticrobotic> most likely it could
[00:06] <humphreybc> that was me
[00:06] <humphreybc> just a suggestion
[00:06] <humphreybc> but yeah, if no one has time then that's all good
[00:06] <jaminday> it's definitely an important topic
[00:06] <humphreybc> (you could steal some stuff from the community docs)
[00:06] <humphreybc> or here
[00:06] <humphreybc> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/permissions
[00:06] <humphreybc> not sure what  license that is
[00:07] <humphreybc> i know we can take wording from here tho
[00:07] <humphreybc> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions
[00:07] <semioticrobotic> This is good stuff, but it actually might be too complicated for a new user
[00:08] <humphreybc> copy/paste and simplify?
[00:08] <humphreybc> we just need to explain what it is/how it works
[00:08] <semioticrobotic> how can we address the issue of permissions with instructions that refer to the command line?
[00:08] <humphreybc> you don't need to explain to users how to change permissions
[00:08] <semioticrobotic> okay
[00:08] <humphreybc> don't have any command line stuff
[00:08] <humphreybc> just an introduction/overview to permissions
[00:08] <jaminday> it might be a good troubleshooting topic for future
[00:09] <humphreybc> i'm sure between the psychocats and that community page you'll be able to come up with a couple of paragraphs
[00:09] <humphreybc> jaminday: it's not really a problem though
[00:09] <jaminday> but maybe something like "why can't i copy this file to this location"
[00:09] <semioticrobotic> actually, this is the security chapter
[00:09] <semioticrobotic> sorry, did I forget to mention that?
[00:09] <humphreybc> hey!! nisshh said this, "More work on the prologue, long way to go yet though."
[00:10] <humphreybc> i've finished the damn prologue!
[00:10] <semioticrobotic> ah, but jaminday is suggesting it for a future topic in 8 as well
[00:10] <semioticrobotic> I was wondering about that!
[00:10] <jaminday> humphreybc: i think he was referring to the glossary?
[00:10] <humphreybc> must have been
[00:11] <jaminday> actually we decided to delete your entire prologue and start again
[00:11] <jaminday> hope that's ok
[00:11] <semioticrobotic> I commented out the entire prologue, actually
[00:11] <semioticrobotic> supereditor
[00:11] <semioticrobotic> can't touch me
[00:11] <jaminday> hehe
[00:11] <jaminday> I had a friend suggest we should do a translation into pirate speak
[00:12] <semioticrobotic> Then I say your friend is awesome.
[00:12] <Red_HamsterX> Maybe for 10.10.
[00:12] <jaminday> hehe
[00:12] <semioticrobotic> And I think one version of the manual should be produced entirely in Comic Sans
[00:12] <humphreybc> jaminday: OMG i was thinking that same thing!
[00:12] <Red_HamsterX> In celebration to 10.09.19
[00:12] <Red_HamsterX> of
[00:12] <jaminday> ha classic! semioticrobotic yes definitely!
[00:13] <semioticrobotic> make one copy of the Comic Sans version, get the team to sign it, and auction it off
[00:13] <jaminday> semioticrobotic: it would have to be shipped around the world for everyone to sign it
[00:13] <semioticrobotic> exactly!
[00:13] <jaminday> i think that's a great idea
[00:13] <semioticrobotic> how cool would that be?
[00:13] <humphreybc> that would be cool
[00:14] <humphreybc> neat idea
[00:14] <jaminday> although i don't think i want to give humphreybc my address
[00:14] <semioticrobotic> though auctioning might not be possible (depending on the CC license we chose)
[00:14] <jaminday> never know what will turn up!
[00:14]  * semioticrobotic laughs
[00:14] <godbyk> I think I'd have to refuse to sign a Comic Sans edition out of principle. :)
[00:14] <semioticrobotic> ha!
[00:14] <humphreybc> hahaha
[00:14] <humphreybc> we could just do the regular version
[00:15] <humphreybc> the comic sans one is a bit... comic sansy
[00:15] <godbyk> That's be neat. What would we do with the money?
[00:15] <jaminday> pay someone to do a pirate translation?
[00:15] <Red_HamsterX> Pay for your bandwidth?
[00:16] <jaminday> then we could auction off the pirate translation and make even more money!
[00:16] <humphreybc> buy big monitors
[00:16] <humphreybc> ?
[00:16] <humphreybc> Red_HamsterX: what's the status of Quickshot? Can we test it yet?
[00:17] <Red_HamsterX> I'll be doing some testing tonight.
[00:17] <Red_HamsterX> titeuf has most of the issues worked out, and ubuntujenkins was providing feedback on the GUI earlier today.
[00:17] <godbyk> Red_HamsterX: Cool. Lemme know when I can go through and nit-pick again. :)
[00:17] <semioticrobotic> awesome!
[00:19] <humphreybc> :)
[00:19] <humphreybc> so it'll be ready by the 31st?
[00:19] <Red_HamsterX> I can't imagine that it wouldn't be.
[00:21] <humphreybc> that's fantastic news!
[00:21] <godbyk> I'm impressed!
[00:21]  * humphreybc loves testing Ubuntu, 203mb of updates available after just one night
[00:21] <godbyk> The live CD is such an awesome idea!
[00:21] <humphreybc> huh?
[00:21] <godbyk> A Quickshot Live CD.
[00:21] <godbyk> Boot up the CD, run quickshot, take screenshots
[00:21] <godbyk> Simple.
[00:22] <godbyk> don't have to install anything
[00:22] <humphreybc> oh neat
[00:22] <humphreybc> is that what's happening?
[00:22] <Red_HamsterX> Yeah.
[00:22] <humphreybc> wow
[00:22] <humphreybc> that is awesome
[00:22] <Red_HamsterX> That's what ubuntujenkins has been working on.
[00:22] <semioticrobotic> In Ubuntu, files and folders can be modified so that only specific users can view, modify, or run them.  For instance, you might wish to share an important file with other users, but do not want those users to be able to edit the file.  Ubuntu controls access to files on your computer through a system of "permissions."  Permissions are settings that you can configure to control exactly how files on your computer are acces
[00:22] <semioticrobotic> sed and used.
[00:22] <Red_HamsterX> I've been cleaning up a few small contracts and bug reports.
[00:22] <humphreybc> you guys need to fill me in at some point so i can make all the instructions/blog posts/publicity about it
[00:23] <jaminday> semioticrobotic: nice
[00:23] <humphreybc> semioticrobotic: that'll do
[00:23] <semioticrobotic> okay
[00:23] <humphreybc> good work :)
[00:23] <semioticrobotic> ...followed by a URL to community docs, of course
[00:23] <humphreybc> yup
[00:24] <semioticrobotic> can I humbly ask to add my name to the 'credits' file?
[00:25] <humphreybc> semioticrobotic: haha sure
[00:25] <humphreybc> the current one is just a placeholder
[00:25] <humphreybc> I'll be going through around RC and adding in everyone properly, in alphabetical order etc
[00:25] <semioticrobotic> okay, then I won't bother modifying anything right now
[00:25] <humphreybc> so I'm curious as to how you guys got Quickshot + Ubuntu + language packs(?) all on a CD?
[00:28] <humphreybc> Red_HamsterX: ^^ ?
[00:37] <Red_HamsterX> Dunno.
[00:37] <Red_HamsterX> I have no connection to that.
[00:38] <Red_HamsterX> I'm guessing a number of non-essential packages were stripped or they'll be downloaded at launch.
[00:39] <Red_HamsterX> Or maybe it's a DVD.
[00:40] <humphreybc> okay neat
[00:40] <semioticrobotic> gah
[00:41] <semioticrobotic> i think I screwed something up
[00:42] <jaminday> semioticrobotic: you deleted the prologue again?
[00:42] <semioticrobotic> lol
[00:42] <semioticrobotic> I commited changes
[00:43] <semioticrobotic> then the wireless dropped out before I could push
[00:43] <semioticrobotic> now I get an error message
[00:43] <semioticrobotic> the branch has diverged
[00:43] <jaminday> hmm - that could be if someone else has pushed changes since you last did a pull
[00:43] <Red_HamsterX> Make a diff before doing anything.
[00:44] <semioticrobotic> how do I do that?
[00:44] <Red_HamsterX> Gimme a moment to pull the old branch first...
[00:45] <Red_HamsterX> bzr diff > ~/changes.patch #this would probably be sufficient.
[00:45] <Red_HamsterX> That way, if we need to revert to a pre-merge version for any reason, we can apply your changes to that tree.
[00:46] <Red_HamsterX> Unless you need to specify what you're diffing against...
[00:46] <Red_HamsterX> In case it considers your last commit the target.
[00:46] <semioticrobotic> bzr: ERROR: Path(s) are not versioned: changes.patch
[00:47] <Red_HamsterX> The > is significant.
[00:47] <semioticrobotic> it worked
[00:47] <Red_HamsterX> And you may need to use 'bzr diff -r 590 > location'.
[00:48] <Red_HamsterX> Since 590 is the version currently in Launchpad.
[00:48] <semioticrobotic> I didn't receive any output
[00:48] <semioticrobotic> what did I just do?
[00:48] <Red_HamsterX> > redirects all output the a file.
[00:48] <humphreybc> Sarantan dude pushed again
[00:48] <semioticrobotic> gah.
[00:48] <Red_HamsterX> Did he push or merge?
[00:48] <Red_HamsterX> to a file*
[00:48]  * humphreybc looks
[00:49] <humphreybc> pushed
[00:49] <humphreybc> he didn't merge
[00:49] <humphreybc> added some stuff on webcams and printing
[00:49] <humphreybc> =|
[00:49] <Red_HamsterX> If you cat or edit ~/changes.patch, you'll see a diff3 list of everything that you've changed.
[00:49] <humphreybc> what's a nice way of telling him to stop adding stuff to the branch?
[00:49] <Red_HamsterX> Where else is he supposed to put it?
[00:50] <humphreybc> nowhere, the content freeze has been and gone
[00:50] <humphreybc> in theory we shouldn't be accepting any more material, only edits
[00:50] <Red_HamsterX> Just say that, then.
[00:50] <humphreybc> I could ask him to store it locally for 10.10
[00:50] <Red_HamsterX> The freeze has passed, so please make a note of things for the next revision.
[00:50] <semioticrobotic> changes.patch is an empty file
[00:50] <Red_HamsterX> Or you could fork the current branch for 10.10.
[00:50] <Red_HamsterX> And have him work against that.
[00:51] <Red_HamsterX> semioticrobotic, use the second version of my command, then.
[00:51] <Red_HamsterX> The -r 590 one.
[00:51] <semioticrobotic> I did
[00:52] <semioticrobotic> same result
[00:53] <Red_HamsterX> Odd...
[00:53] <Red_HamsterX> 589?
[00:53] <Red_HamsterX> Maybe your 590 is different from our 590.
[00:53] <Red_HamsterX> (Due to this push)
[00:54] <semioticrobotic> boom
[00:54] <semioticrobotic> there we go
[00:54] <Red_HamsterX> Yay.
[00:54] <semioticrobotic> it's seriously the three sentences i added to a single file
[00:55] <Red_HamsterX> Okay, so if, when you merge, something goes wrong, you can send us that file and we can work it out.
[00:55] <semioticrobotic> okay
[00:55] <Red_HamsterX> Meh. Still good practice.
[00:55] <semioticrobotic> so go ahead and merge?
[00:55] <Red_HamsterX> Lemme take a look at what was just added...
[00:55] <semioticrobotic> okay
[00:56] <Red_HamsterX> Yeah, merge. He only changed two files, so I can quickly check to nake sure his new content is still there.
[00:57] <semioticrobotic> ok
[00:57] <Red_HamsterX> Your next commit should show changes to webcam.tex and printing.tex, since it'll contain his changes as sub-revisions.
[00:57] <semioticrobotic> ok
[00:57] <semioticrobotic> here goes
[00:58] <semioticrobotic> pushed
[00:58]  * Red_HamsterX waits for Launchpad to scan things.
[00:59] <semioticrobotic> sure is taking its time
[00:59] <semioticrobotic> :)
[00:59] <Red_HamsterX> security.tex?
[00:59] <semioticrobotic> yep!
[00:59] <Red_HamsterX> Looks good, then.
[01:00] <Red_HamsterX> I see his changes and yours.
[01:00] <semioticrobotic> *whew*
[01:00] <semioticrobotic> thanks, guys!
[01:00] <semioticrobotic> I was sweating
[01:00] <Red_HamsterX> bzr: serious business
[01:00] <Red_HamsterX> Or something.
[01:00] <semioticrobotic> lol
[01:00] <semioticrobotic> you got it
[01:00] <Red_HamsterX> I dunno how that meme works.
[01:00] <semioticrobotic> alright, time to turn in
[01:00] <Red_HamsterX> G'night~
[01:00] <semioticrobotic> take care, everyone
[01:02] <jaminday> I had to sort out some conflicts in the branch last night. I've never done it before and it was about 2am here - my head was going crazy.
[01:02] <humphreybc> haha
[01:02] <Red_HamsterX> Conflicts aren't *that* bad, since at least you know what you're actually pushing.
[01:03] <humphreybc> 'if you break the branch i will destroy you
[01:03] <jaminday> humphreybc: lol
[01:03] <Red_HamsterX> Merging is scary, since we don't know how it actually works yet.
[01:03] <jaminday> Red_HamsterX: yeah i figured it out in the end
[01:03] <jaminday> But i freaked at first
[01:03] <Red_HamsterX> I remember my first SVN conflict.
[01:03] <Red_HamsterX> My first thought was, coming from CVS, "
[01:04] <Red_HamsterX> Oh, great. It's corrupt again."
[01:04] <Red_HamsterX> -again
[01:05] <jaminday> hehe
[01:06] <jaminday> I had conflict in 2 files. I spent about an hour searching through them with meld to realise that it came down to a \gls command had been added in both
[01:14] <Red_HamsterX> Gah. :(
[01:19]  * jaminday is off to hunt for some lunch
[02:02] <Takyoji> It would be interesting if there was also a project for creating documentation or learning materials for new computer users as well, in context of Ubuntu
[02:02] <Takyoji> As I haven't really found anything of such.
[02:03] <Takyoji> Something just a little more primitive of topics than the Ubuntu Manual. Perhaps something that could be a prerequisite to such.
[02:04] <Takyoji> For basic terminology, when to double-click or single-click, etc. It probably wouldn't even be that much of content to go over either.
[02:06] <Red_HamsterX> Takyoji, that sounds like the Ubuntu-Beginners' mandate.
[02:07] <Red_HamsterX> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/MissionStatement
[02:07] <Takyoji> I guess I haven't come across it before; perhaps it would be something I could participate with.
[02:07] <Red_HamsterX> Not quite that basic, but they're kinda close to that level.
[02:08] <Red_HamsterX> Actually, I may be totally wrong.
[02:08] <Red_HamsterX> I must be confusing them with another project. :(
[02:08] <Red_HamsterX> They're more migration.
[02:09] <Takyoji> Moreso with going from another operating system to Ubuntu?
[02:10] <pleia2> the ubuntu learning project is working to write course materials that people can teach
[02:10] <pleia2> starting with really low level intro to classes
[02:10] <Takyoji> ahh
[02:11] <pleia2> but we need more volunteers, haven't really gotten things off the ground yet besides some sysadmin courses (which are more advanced)
[02:40] <humphreybc> UMP has plans for a quick start guide at some point too
[02:47] <Red_HamsterX> Why did I make my Lucid password non-standard?
[02:51] <Red_HamsterX> Ugh... When there's only the red X in Lucid's control box, it looks super-ugly.
[03:36] <Red_HamsterX> apport: full report: 26.6MB; reduced report: 13.3KB.
[03:36] <Red_HamsterX> Anyone see a problem here?
[04:00] <RPG-Master> Hey, wasn't it decided that Lucid keep the window buttons on the right side?
[04:03] <Takyoji> For some reason I thought the same as well; but I haven't seen it reverted.
[04:03] <Takyoji> It would be nice if there was an option in the Appearance dialog of what the window buttons orientation would be, so that people would have a choice either way.
[04:05] <RPG-Master> I just noticed that the screenshots in the manual have the buttons on the left
[04:52] <humphreybc> they'll probably be staying on the left
[05:06] <Takyoji> What's the straightforward method of tweaking such, without having to install any specialized app for such?
[05:07] <Takyoji> Random fact: I'm running 10.04, and have been current with updates, yet my window controls are actually still on the right.
[05:08] <Red_HamsterX> Did you upgrade from 9.10?
[05:09] <Takyoji> Actually no, it's a separate installation
[05:09] <Takyoji> Either Alpha 1 or 2.
[05:24] <Red_HamsterX> Quickshot rev 100 pushed!
[05:24] <manualbot> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/revision/100 | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual -r 100
[05:24]  * Red_HamsterX eats the bot.
[05:29] <Red_HamsterX> Hmm... Can anyone try to reproduce a bug with the Users and Groups application that manifests when trying to delete the quickshot account?
[05:29] <Red_HamsterX> Requires Lucid.
[05:30] <Takyoji> (if I had Quickshot installed currently, I would try)
[05:30] <Red_HamsterX> Actually, it could just be because I haven't restarted since doing a dist-upgrade.
[05:31] <Red_HamsterX> After a month.
[05:32] <Red_HamsterX> Yeah, that looks like it was the problem.
[05:56] <Red_HamsterX> humphreybc, Quickshot is now minimally functional: we can give it instructions from the server and it will do as we command. IT'S ALIVE. Or something.
[05:57] <Red_HamsterX> Anyone around, please ask titeuf_87 to look at the Quickshot section under http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/aA6ygCXL9F when he's back.
[05:59] <Red_HamsterX> (It still needs polish and error-handling, but we can start populating the development system with real data now)
[07:05] <ubuntujenkins> morning all
[07:05] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: ping
[07:06] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: pong
[07:06] <ubuntujenkins> hello, yesterday I changed the fi po fiel i am yet to update it but it now compiles to the end this is the diff of it .......
[07:07] <ubuntujenkins> http://paste.ubuntu.com/401631/
[07:08] <ubuntujenkins> as you will see there are often two \\ before laytex commands i removed one of them before the "userinput" command and now it works, but why does the "prompt" one work with two\
[07:09] <godbyk> ah, leave the two backslashes in.
[07:09] <godbyk> the po file uses a backslash to escape LaTeX's backslash.
[07:09] <godbyk> Otherwise, it would expand things like \n to newline, \t to tab, etc.
[07:09] <ubuntujenkins> thats why i didn't upload it
[07:10] <godbyk> The problem in the fi translation is that the underscores need to be escaped with a backslash.
[07:10] <godbyk> artnay: Whenever you get back: The only LaTeX-related problems I found in the Finnish translation is that when you type "uusi_hakemisto", you need to escape the underscore (_) character with a backslash (\).
[07:10] <ubuntujenkins> right i see
[07:10] <godbyk> That's what I sent earlier, but artnay hasn't responded (yet).
[07:10] <godbyk> Changine uusi_hakemisto to uusi\_hakemisto should work
[07:10] <godbyk> (or with two backslashes if you're editing the po file directly.)
[07:11] <ubuntujenkins> nice ok if i go through and update the po file is that ok
[07:11] <godbyk> should be.
[07:20] <ubuntujenkins> ooo not seen this before Success!  Wrote 153 pages
[07:24] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: yeah, I prettied up the output a bit.
[07:25] <godbyk> to make it easier to see errors and warnings.
[07:25] <ubuntujenkins> its nice does this count as a eorror as far as the list on bulds.ubuntu....       Overfull \hbox (8.73792pt too wide) in paragraph at lines 6648--6649
[07:25] <ubuntujenkins> []\EU1/LinuxLibertineO(0)/m/n/9 mozilla_help_viewer_project
[07:26] <ubuntujenkins> because there were 24 eorrors in th fi file but i only changed 6 lines
[07:28] <godbyk> Nope, that doesn't count.
[07:29] <godbyk> The error count on the builds page is from lines containing "Error:" and those that begin with "!"
[07:29] <godbyk> The warning count is those lines that contain "Warning:"
[07:29] <godbyk> I stole the color coding from the original Makefile we had.
[07:29] <godbyk> I need to modify it to show the stuff I really care about.
[07:30] <godbyk> Overfull boxes are important to fix, but that'll be one of the last things we do.
[07:30] <godbyk> (They just mean lines that are too long.)
[07:30] <ubuntujenkins> thats what i figured but i was unsure if it counted as build error
[07:33] <ubuntujenkins> this is interesting to learn
[07:34] <ubuntujenkins> Red_HamsterX: are you still text bug fixing ?
[07:36] <godbyk> how are we doing on bug fixing?
[07:36] <ubuntujenkins> for quickshot or the manual?
[07:36] <godbyk> I figured I'd spend this weekend going through the manual and trying to fix all the nit-picky bugs I could find.
[07:36] <godbyk> But I wanted to want 'til most of the obvious ones were out of the way.
[07:37] <godbyk> the manual.
[07:37] <godbyk> and quickshot. :)
[07:37] <ubuntujenkins> we have no official quickshot bugs just tweaks to make
[07:39] <ubuntujenkins> no screenshot bugs yet
[07:40] <godbyk> gotcha.
[07:41] <godbyk> give me a holler if you want me to run through quickshot again with my pedant's hat on. :)
[07:41] <ubuntujenkins> 206 fixes on the manual
[07:41] <ubuntujenkins> i will godbyk in a day or two
[07:41] <ubuntujenkins> thanks
[07:41] <godbyk> k
[07:46] <artnay> godbyk: ok, thanks for the info. I escaped those lines. I'm currently installing texlive (using the script from wiki as texlive from repos doesn't seem to work well enough)
[07:47] <godbyk> artnay: Great!  ubuntujenkins has updated the po file, but if you make the changes in launchpad (rosetta), they will be incorporated in.
[07:47] <godbyk> artnay: Also, let me know if you encounter any problems installing tex live 2009 or compiling the manual.
[07:51] <artnay> godbyk: I'm getting http 500 errors with the script - TLDownload::get_file: response error: 500 read timeout permanent server connection set up, but downloading did not succeed!Retrying with wget.
[07:51] <godbyk> artnay: It sounds like the server it's trying to download from is offline.
[07:51] <artnay> godbyk: what's wrong with texlive from repos? apt-cache says it's 2009-7, shouldn't that work?
[07:52] <godbyk> you might hit Ctrl+C to cancel the installation and try it again, but select a different mirror this time.
[07:52] <godbyk> artnay: It may, but I can't guarantee it.  When I checked a couple months ago, it appeared to be missing some of the LaTeX packages we require.  Plus, they're already out of date.
[08:12] <jaminday> Is anyone here running lucid at the moment?
[08:16] <godbyk> jaminday: I am on my laptop.
[08:16] <jaminday> godbyk: are you able to tell me what options you have in the Session Indicator applet?
[08:17] <godbyk> which is that? the shutdown button menu thingy?
[08:17] <jaminday> yep
[08:17] <godbyk> Sure
[08:17] <jaminday> i think that's what it's actually called
[08:17] <godbyk> Lock Screen
[08:17] <godbyk> Guest Session
[08:17] <godbyk> Switch from kevin...
[08:17] <godbyk> Log Out...
[08:17] <godbyk> Sleep
[08:17] <godbyk> Hibernate
[08:17] <godbyk> Restart...
[08:17] <godbyk> Switch Off...
[08:17] <godbyk> there's a menu separator between Switch from kevin... and Log Out...
[08:18] <jaminday> Ah ok great. Sleep was missing from my virtualbox install, so it must only appear if you are on a laptop.
[08:18] <jaminday> What is the difference between sleep and hibernate?
[08:18] <godbyk> Hibernate should (I think!) save the memory state to disk and power off the laptop, basically.
[08:19] <godbyk> So it's like an even deeper sleep.
[08:19] <godbyk> Uses much less battery power, etc.
[08:19] <jaminday> hehe
[08:20] <jaminday> thanks godbyk
[08:20] <godbyk> no prob
[08:21] <jaminday> One other thing- does pressing Ctrl Alt Del do anything on your laptop?
[08:22] <godbyk> let's see.
[08:23] <godbyk> It brings up a window for shutting down.
[08:23] <godbyk> has options
[08:23] <godbyk> hold on
[08:23] <godbyk> switch off
[08:23] <godbyk> restart
[08:23] <godbyk> sleep
[08:23] <godbyk> hibernate
[08:23] <godbyk> and says that it will shutdown automatically in 60 seconds.
[08:24] <jaminday> Ah great. Again that didn't work in virtualbox so just needed to check.
[08:24] <jaminday> thanks again!
[08:24] <godbyk> gotcha.
[08:25] <godbyk> I had to shut down the windows that were open (just in case it did something bad). :)
[08:25] <jaminday> hehe
[08:25] <jaminday> glad it didn't fry your computer!
[08:26] <godbyk> it's a fresh install, so no worries, there.
[08:40] <ubuntujenkins> Red_HamsterX: on your computer do bzr launchpad-login userid replacing "userid" with you launchpad login, that way you will get karma
[08:55] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: once we have a build of quickshot we can release I am going to make the quickshot live cd, I was going to put it on the wiki but the realised any one can change it. Are you able to add it to the server?
[08:55] <godbyk> Yeah, I can do that.
[08:56] <ubuntujenkins> will it be best of i put it in a bzr branch?
[08:56] <godbyk> Put an iso image in a bzr branch?
[08:56] <ubuntujenkins> yes
[08:56] <ubuntujenkins> not sure how else i can get it to you
[08:56] <godbyk> Hmm..
[08:56] <godbyk> Dropbox, perhaps?
[08:57] <ubuntujenkins> they don't work they have a file size limit
[08:57] <godbyk> Oh, that stinks.
[08:57] <ubuntujenkins> I know its caused me a problem before
[08:57] <godbyk> Well, when you have one ready, we'll find a way to get it transferred.
[08:57] <godbyk> If nothing else, I'll just have you ftp to my computer and I can upload it to the server.
[08:58] <ubuntujenkins> ok thanks, it will be ready when we have a release
[08:58] <godbyk> k
[08:58] <godbyk> If you think there will be tons and tons of people downloading it, we may want to have it mirrored.
[08:59] <ubuntujenkins> how do we do that? get other people to haev it on there servers?
[08:59] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc/ any one have you any good ideas for a ppa to use in the screenshot, ideally something a new user would find fun/useful
[09:00] <ubuntujenkins> I have no clue on download figures at all
[09:03] <artnay> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual/main/files/head%3A/screenshots/ there will be more dirs (named after country ISO code?), right? so in translations if we have \setmaxscreenshot{screenshots/en/02-blank-desktop.png} - we only change the en dir to own language, right?
[09:04] <godbyk> artnay: Just leave that line alone in the translations.
[09:04] <godbyk> It gets updated automatically by LaTeX at run-time.
[09:04] <godbyk> Well, compile-time, rather.
[09:04] <godbyk> I thought I had a note about that someplace.
[09:04]  * godbyk looks
[09:05] <godbyk> oh, I don't.
[09:05] <godbyk> I'll fix that.
[09:12] <artnay> \SI{384}{\mega\byte} of system memory (\smallcaps{RAM}) will the units be translated automatically?
[09:24] <godbyk> artnay: \SI{384}{\mega\byte} will look like "384 MB" in the text.  If you're not using the SI units, then you will need to delete the whole \SI command and write in your translation.
[09:24] <godbyk> (\SI can't handle other languages.)
[09:27] <nisshh> hey
[09:28] <nisshh> humphreybc: did you get my mugshot?
[09:41] <artnay> godbyk: ok. what about CC license, will it stay in English?
[09:42] <godbyk> We're going to pull translated CC licenses from the CC website.
[09:42] <artnay> great
[09:42] <nisshh> hey, artnay
[09:42] <nisshh> and godbyk
[09:44] <artnay> hey nisshh, I'm still compiling texlive *g* Installing 1526/2050
[09:47] <nisshh> hehe, yea its takes a long, long time
[09:57] <jaminday> ubuntujenkins: how about the ppa for ubuntu tweak
[09:58] <jaminday> humphreybc: I just remembered you want a mugshot - got one coming your way in a sec
[10:02]  * jaminday is about to sit down and watch 24 with the wife and a bowl of icecream
[10:15] <godbyk> I'm off to bed.  Gonna read a bit, then sleep.
[10:15] <godbyk> G'night, all!
[10:52] <humphreybc> hey team, what's new?
[11:08] <thorwil> humphreybc: hi! do you know from memory if David Nel is being credited in the manual, or should i check?
[11:09] <humphreybc> He's not being credited at the moment
[11:09] <humphreybc> Do you think he should be?
[11:09] <thorwil> humphreybc: yes, for the idea to use icons on the cover. and the mouse pointer
[11:10] <humphreybc> okay
[11:10] <humphreybc> we can add him in, no probs
[11:10] <humphreybc> remind me around RC :P
[11:20]  * humphreybc is excited to try quickshot, damnit
[12:38] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: we built a package of it last night
[12:39] <humphreybc> ;D
[12:39] <humphreybc> can you give me some more information on the live CD?
[12:39] <humphreybc> how have you managed to fit all the translations + quickshot + Ubuntu?
[12:40] <ubuntujenkins> easily :-P it might be bigger than a cd not sure on the final size
[12:40] <donri> "no apps to shoot" ;)
[12:40] <ubuntujenkins> I could remove the apps we don't need
[12:40] <humphreybc> yeah
[12:40] <humphreybc> that could work
[12:40] <donri> "Hm, 'Upstart'? We don't document that. *Delete.*"
[12:40] <ubuntujenkins> this is another ppa suggestion from popey https://launchpad.net/~cmsj/+archive/lifesaver
[12:41] <artnay> I'm trying to compile the manual but it fails: po4a-translate --master-charset=utf8 -f latex -m main.tex -p po/fi.po -l ubuntu-manual-fi.tex -k 0  --- po4a::tex Can't read from file without having a filename at /usr/bin/po4a-translate line 229 --- make: *** [ubuntu-manual-fi.tex] Error 9
[12:41] <artnay> any ideas?
[12:41] <ubuntujenkins> donri: I will stick with removing games and simple stuff
[12:41] <donri> Maybe if you have shots of menus and whatnot maybe lacking some applications will look wrong.
[12:42] <ubuntujenkins> there are no shots of menus
[12:42] <ubuntujenkins> artnay: just to check you are doing "make ubuntu-manual-fi.pdf" right?
[12:43] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: there are two shots of menus :)
[12:43] <artnay> ubuntujenkins: yes.
[12:43] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: where has some one added more
[12:43] <donri> Does po/fi.po exist?
[12:46] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: all that are missing are Chapter 1, page 22: Installation: The Ubuntu login window
[12:46] <ubuntujenkins> Chapter 1, page 23: Wubi in Windows 7
[12:46] <ubuntujenkins> Chapter 2, page 29: Ubuntu Help Center main window
[12:46] <ubuntujenkins> Chapter 2, page 40: Screenshot of the Assistive Technologies window.
[12:46] <ubuntujenkins> Chapter 3, page 69: Small view of the message list, showing column headers and a few email messages
[12:46] <ubuntujenkins> Chapter 3, page 78: visual example of adding an event in the day view by typing
[12:46] <ubuntujenkins> Chapter 3, page 94: Rhythmbox application with a CD inserted
[12:46] <ubuntujenkins> Chapter 5, page 122: Screenshot of PPA page on Launchpad.
[12:46] <ubuntujenkins> Chapter 8, page 140: Screenshot of a virtual terminal (i.e. ctrl-alt-F1)
[12:46] <ubuntujenkins> Chapter 8, page 141: GRUB screen with Rescue Mode option highlighted
[12:46] <artnay> donri: file fi.po --- fi.po: UTF-8 Unicode English text, with very long lines
[12:46] <donri> in po/?
[12:46] <ubuntujenkins> and they are all done except r 3, page 69: Small view of the message list, showing column headers and a fe and Chapter 8, page 140: Screenshot of a virtual terminal (i.e. ctrl-alt-F1) which we removed. ( humphreybc )
[12:46] <artnay> donri: yes.
[12:47] <ubuntujenkins> artnay: haev you run the install*.sh script? in pkgs folder?
[12:48] <artnay> ubuntujenkins: yes I have
[12:48] <ubuntujenkins> its not the po file as it works here it must be your text live
[12:48] <ubuntujenkins> *tex
[12:48] <artnay> Done! You should now be able to compile the Ubuntu manual! --- and after that I tried make
[12:49] <ubuntujenkins> did you do the "create symlinks to standard directories" option.
[12:49] <ubuntujenkins> in the texlive install
[12:49] <artnay> yes I did
[12:49] <artnay> as recommended
[12:50] <ubuntujenkins> can you do normal make to crate the english one?
[12:50] <ubuntujenkins> *create
[12:52] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: Which screenshots? still confused
[12:52] <artnay> ubuntujenkins: no, other languages fail as well (same error)
[12:52] <humphreybc> I thought I added in some screenshots of some menus, in chapter 2
[12:53] <ubuntujenkins> I may have commented those out then......
[12:53] <ubuntujenkins> Commented out as we can't rely on the user taking the screenshot to have default programs in stalled luke jennings (ubuntujenkins)
[12:53] <ubuntujenkins> i can add them back but i don't think they are that essential
[12:54] <ubuntujenkins> gggrrrrrr I am being dragged away will be back, artnay I am not sure i will think about your problem
[12:54] <humphreybc> okay
[12:54] <ubuntujenkins> that way i can make the disk small
[12:54] <artnay>  /usr/bin/po4a-translate line 228: # Prepare the document to be used as translator, but not parser   line 229: $doc->process('po_in_name'    => \@pos,
[12:56] <artnay> well, I have to try it again when I get back home.
[13:19] <ubuntujenkins> ok back
[13:20] <ubuntujenkins> artnay: i can't think why it doesn't work
[14:35]  * ubuntujenkins is building another live cd
[15:37] <Red_HamsterX> ubuntujenkins, regarding text bugs (most of which were my fault, since I forgot it was pango markup), no, I've adressed everything I saw in the normal use cases.
[15:38] <Red_HamsterX> I haven't gone over the full script, but I didn't change anything outside of the normal path.
[15:38] <Red_HamsterX> I've updated stuff in the EtherPad.
[15:38] <ubuntujenkins> brilliant  i fixed a text wrap problem this morning i didn't want to mess up your editing
[15:38] <Red_HamsterX> (All the old data was way outdated, so I scrapped it and started fresh)
[15:39] <Red_HamsterX> I was already asleep.
[15:39] <Red_HamsterX> The textwrap issue was probably my fault.
[15:39] <Red_HamsterX> But I worked out a few flow issues and everything now seems to work like it's supposed to.
[15:39] <ubuntujenkins> doesn't matter
[15:39] <ubuntujenkins> good good
[15:39] <Red_HamsterX> i.e., once I start populating the manifest with real data, we could actually start using this internally.
[15:40] <Red_HamsterX> (It's not ready to give to others yet, though, as you're well aware)
[15:40] <ubuntujenkins> woo I am trying to get the live cd back to a cd
[15:40] <ubuntujenkins> not a dvd
[15:40] <Red_HamsterX> LiveUSB!
[15:40] <Red_HamsterX> >.>
[15:40] <ubuntujenkins> well ben said that it should be a cd
[15:41] <ubuntujenkins> I will make a ppa tonight
[15:41] <ubuntujenkins> daily build ppa
[15:41] <ubuntujenkins> before it it built you have to remove some bits of code
[15:43] <Red_HamsterX> Which?
[15:44] <Red_HamsterX> We may be able to remove them outright or make them conditional.
[15:45] <ubuntujenkins> lines 206 -215 ....
[15:45] <ubuntujenkins> and change 251-255
[15:47] <ubuntujenkins> some how that live cd was bigger
[15:48] <ubuntujenkins> some of 206-215 may change not remove
[16:12] <Red_HamsterX> We could definitely sidestep that with a conditional.
[16:12] <Red_HamsterX> Something like a 'DEVELOPMENT_MODE' flag.
[16:12] <Red_HamsterX> Which could itself be set by the build script.
[16:14] <ubuntujenkins> wow thats so cool I will work out which lines chnage to what as i wrote it it shall be easy.
[16:15] <Red_HamsterX> I can implement it later, if you'd like.
[16:15] <Red_HamsterX> I'll try to create the manifest entries today.
[16:16] <Red_HamsterX> (With dummy text, to be updated as we do our test runs)
[16:16] <ubuntujenkins> that would be great, i will look at which lines need to change and what to.
[16:16] <Red_HamsterX> I should probably also add a function to let the user look at the latest pending screencap, so they can decide whether an updated one needs to be submitted.
[16:17] <ubuntujenkins> cool i am off for a bit. will talk later
[16:18] <Red_HamsterX> I'll start moving your sample screenshots to the server as I write entries.
[16:18] <Red_HamsterX> Have fun with life. =P
[16:18] <ubuntujenkins> and you bye all o/
[18:28] <ubuntujenkins> afternoon all
[18:44] <ubuntujenkins> Red_HamsterX: http://paste.ubuntu.com/401958/  these are the line numbers and what they should change to
[18:44] <ubuntujenkins> for release
[18:46] <ubuntujenkins> also suggested in or first question was to remove the user when we remove the quickshot package
[18:49]  * ubuntujenkins gggrrrr another icon changed in lucid
[18:56] <Red_HamsterX> Do you have the package stuff set up to apply patches automatically?
[18:57] <ubuntujenkins> asuming you are on about quickshot all i do quickly package
[18:58]  * ubuntujenkins is thinking about packages on live cd
[18:58] <Red_HamsterX> Hmm... I just thinking about a way to automate toggling the flag to avoid the possibility of us forgetting to set it.
[18:59] <Red_HamsterX> I'm*
[18:59] <ubuntujenkins> would it be work that we run a flag to run it under devolpment, and if we run quickly run it runs normally?
[19:00] <Red_HamsterX> Oh, yeah, that would work fine.
[19:00] <Red_HamsterX> If it gets a --debug flag, run in debug mode...
[19:00] <Red_HamsterX> debug/development
[19:00] <ubuntujenkins> which would work like we run it now
[19:00] <Red_HamsterX> Actually, it should probably have both flags.
[19:01] <Red_HamsterX> 'Cause then I could suppress its prints.
[19:01] <Red_HamsterX> Or I should integrate logging...
[19:01] <ubuntujenkins> or you can add a flag to the quickshot.desktop.in file
[19:01] <Red_HamsterX> I mean in the optparse rules.
[19:02] <ubuntujenkins> i like the idea of a --devel flag
[19:02] <Red_HamsterX> Same.
[19:02] <Red_HamsterX> But I think we should have a separate --debug flag.
[19:02] <ubuntujenkins> Same
[19:03] <Red_HamsterX> I'll add logging to the system so we don't have to mess with conditionals for pintouts.
[19:03] <ubuntujenkins> thank you I need to get around to understanding more of this when my exams are over
[19:04]  * ubuntujenkins hopes this live cd is smalll enough
[19:05] <ubuntujenkins> 717mb lets see whats missing
[19:06] <ubuntujenkins> fail only got a command line :$
[19:08] <Red_HamsterX> titeuf_87, check the EtherPad. I made note of what I worked on last night.
[19:09] <Red_HamsterX> I'm going to add --debug and --devel flags as soon as I have a break.
[19:09] <titeuf_87> Ok.
[19:09] <titeuf_87> I just pulled the latest version to fix those issues I still had last night.
[19:09] <Red_HamsterX> (And make use of the logging module so we can print as much stuff as we want)
[19:09] <titeuf_87> But the glade file looks wrong? I see the menu on the left, the text in the middle, image on the right as if the vbox is a hbox.
[19:09] <titeuf_87> It works fine when I run quickshot though.
[19:10] <ubuntujenkins> glade is anoying at times
[19:10] <Red_HamsterX> I don't think I touched anything that would affect it.
[19:11] <ubuntujenkins> I don't think you effected anything Red_HamsterX
[19:11] <titeuf_87> You two both use Lucid right?
[19:11] <ubuntujenkins> yep
[19:11] <Red_HamsterX> For testing, yes.
[19:11] <ubuntujenkins> main a machine
[19:12] <titeuf_87> I'm on Karmic, could be cause the glade file got changed with a newer version of glade/quickly?
[19:13] <Red_HamsterX> It could be a Glade bug.
[19:13] <ubuntujenkins> possibly i am on version 3.6.7
[19:13] <titeuf_87> Ah same version for me.
[19:13] <ubuntujenkins> which window looks strange
[19:13] <titeuf_87> All of them.
[19:14] <ubuntujenkins> only user setup, resolution change, no change and success look stange to me
[19:14] <ubuntujenkins> shot check looks small
[19:16] <titeuf_87> Aha, latest commit on quickshot removed orientation=vertical from a lot of vboxes in the glade file. Setting those back fix the glade issue.
[19:17] <ubuntujenkins> my bad
[19:17] <ubuntujenkins> all i did was change the text wrap of one box
[19:17] <ubuntujenkins> I was really careful
[19:17] <titeuf_87> of which one?
[19:18] <titeuf_87> I'll get back an older revision so that it's fixed if that's the only change you did.
[19:18] <ubuntujenkins> usersetup
[19:18] <titeuf_87> ah set the maximum width there right?
[19:19] <ubuntujenkins> to width in chariters -1
[19:19] <ubuntujenkins> *characters
[19:19] <Red_HamsterX> Oh. There's already a bit of logging stuff.
[19:19] <Red_HamsterX> I'll just expand on that.
[19:22] <titeuf_87> How do you grab a specific revision with bzr?
[19:23] <ubuntujenkins>  bzr revert [FILE...]
[19:23] <ubuntujenkins>               Revert files to a previous revision.
[19:23] <ubuntujenkins> is what man says to revet a file
[19:24] <ubuntujenkins> or bzr pull  bzr revert [FILE...]
[19:24] <ubuntujenkins>               Revert files to a previous revision.
[19:24] <titeuf_87> Aha, got it, thanks!
[19:24] <ubuntujenkins> scrap that
[19:24] <titeuf_87> bzr revert QuickshotWindow.ui -r-2 did the trick for me.
[19:28] <Red_HamsterX> You can use diff with -r.
[19:30] <ubuntujenkins> what else can i remove from a live cd?
[19:31] <ubuntujenkins> openoffice.org-core openoffice* pitivi gedit compiz* gnome-utils transmission* gnome-games-common gbrainy openssh-client rsync bzr apport apport-gtk fakeroot gcalctool gnome-screensaver vino nano samba* fakeroot gstreamer* jockey* gparted is the list so far
[19:32] <ubuntujenkins> how much of that gets installed back in when i install f-spot firefox totem rhythmbox evolution empathy brasero software-center gwibber light-themes tomboy  I am not 100% sure
[19:32] <titeuf_87> The list of what to remove?
[19:32] <ubuntujenkins> packages from the live cd, ben wants it as a cd not a dvd/usb
[19:33] <ubuntujenkins> examples
[19:33] <ubuntujenkins> that can go
[19:34] <titeuf_87> I'm not sure what all needs to stay for screenshots, but I would guess samba, rsync, bzr, apport can go from that list.
[19:34] <ubuntujenkins> thats the list of stuff already removed
[19:35] <ubuntujenkins> the programs that are needed are listed in the next line
[19:37] <titeuf_87> I'm not exactly sure what else can go, not really familiar with what's all installed on the livecd.
[19:37] <titeuf_87> Do you miss a lot of space on it?
[19:37] <ubuntujenkins> i need an extrat 100 -50 mb from it
[19:37] <ubuntujenkins> just adding the language packs totals to about 880mb
[19:37] <Red_HamsterX> Kill gnome themes?
[19:38] <titeuf_87> That's a lot for a cd. Hmm, any of the help files?
[19:38] <ubuntujenkins> we have a screenshot of the help home page and the theme page
[19:38] <ubuntujenkins> help was my firts thought
[19:38] <Red_HamsterX> :(
[19:38] <ubuntujenkins> cups
[19:39] <titeuf_87> Any other *-doc packages that could go?
[19:39] <ubuntujenkins> I will have a look
[19:39] <ubuntujenkins> xorg-docs-core can go
[19:40] <ubuntujenkins> ubuntu docs is a whole 256mb on the hard disk
[19:40] <ubuntujenkins> does anyone read it?
[19:40] <titeuf_87> That's actually installed on the livecd too?
[19:40] <Red_HamsterX> Nope.
[19:41] <ubuntujenkins> the live cd un compressed is about 2.4 gb
[19:46] <ubuntujenkins> lets see if i have agui this time
[19:48] <ubuntujenkins> o we need to kill nm-applet before we login to the quickshot user and then start it in the quickshot user, as you can only haev one session of it running
[19:50] <titeuf_87> Why not just use the default ubuntu user on the livecd?
[19:50] <titeuf_87> That way we won't have to logout/login again from a livecd, which I assume would be slow.
[19:52] <ubuntujenkins> we can do but that applies to when you are not in the live cd as well and a program change for the livecd also the desktop screenshots will have ubuntu as the user name. I wanted ben to let me change the user name to ubuntu rather than quickshot
[19:52] <ubuntujenkins> the name thing is pick though
[19:52] <ubuntujenkins> *picky
[19:52] <ubuntujenkins> me being
[19:53] <titeuf_87> If quickshot is running as the quickshot user, or the ubuntu one, then we can take screenshots, otherwise make the quickshot user?
[19:54] <ubuntujenkins> true, I think we should make that change, how can we make quickshot launch automatically for the live cd? Can we remove the icons on the desktop?
[19:55] <titeuf_87> same way we make quickshot launch automatically when we login as the quickshot user?
[19:56] <titeuf_87> By adding it in the .profile in the home dir.
[19:56] <ubuntujenkins> nope because you have to be able to write to the .profile file the ubuntu user is generated each boot
[19:57] <titeuf_87> Ah. Worst case we can add a quickshot icon on the desktop or ask to launch quickshot from the applications menu.
[19:58] <ubuntujenkins> it appears in the accessories menu
[20:01] <titeuf_87> Red_HamsterX, your first issue you noted about the quickshot dir belonging to the quickshot user: I don't think that'll be an issue once quickshot is released as it'll be installed from a deb?
[20:03] <Red_HamsterX> titeuf_87, you're right. And it's more of an annoyance than a problem.
[20:12] <daker> hi @all
[20:13] <ubuntujenkins> hello daker
[20:14] <daker> fine ?
[20:14] <ubuntujenkins> yes I am good you?
[20:16] <daker> very tired, I passed two exams
[20:16] <ubuntujenkins> wwwoooooo well done
[20:16] <ubuntujenkins> I have to reboot i will be back
[20:20] <daker> back :)
[20:20] <daker> and now I'm in holidays
[20:21] <ubuntujenkins> indeed this live cd is anoying, i am as well, lots of work to do though
[20:21] <ubuntujenkins> jaminday: are you editing?
[20:37] <ubuntujenkins> is any one editing the manual now? I would like to add the last screenshots
[20:39] <Red_HamsterX> ubuntujenkins, do you know, offhand, what 'screenshotstore' is in Quickshot?
[20:39] <Red_HamsterX> (What type of object)
[20:39] <titeuf_87> Red_HamsterX, it's a liststore
[20:39] <ubuntujenkins> titeuf_87: beat me had to check first
[20:40] <Red_HamsterX> Ah.
[20:40] <Red_HamsterX> Makes sense.
[20:40] <Red_HamsterX> I'm going to hide finalized items and make the first not-submitted one the default choice.
[20:40] <Red_HamsterX> Just to streamline the process a bit.
[20:41] <Red_HamsterX> When they're all accounted for, the user should probably be prompted. So they don't keep searching for something to do.
[20:42] <titeuf_87> Take a look at screenshotinfo_update, this gets run every time the screenshot list window is shown.
[20:42] <Red_HamsterX> Yep. That's where I'm working.
[20:42] <titeuf_87> I did some changes in there just a little bit ago, you got those?
[20:43] <titeuf_87> Changed so that it only retrieves the list once from the server.
[20:43] <Red_HamsterX> Pulling now.
[20:44] <Red_HamsterX> No, I don't seem to have your changes... though the file was updated.
[20:46] <titeuf_87> Weird, it shows up in launchpad, change happened in revision 105.
[20:47] <Red_HamsterX> I've got r106...
[20:48] <Red_HamsterX> Doesn't look like the branches diverged...
[20:48] <titeuf_87> Yeah, that was a commit right after that one where I fixed a silly mistake of mine.
[20:48] <titeuf_87> line 331 is "if self.screeshots is None:" ?
[20:49] <Red_HamsterX> Oh.
[20:49] <Red_HamsterX> Duh.
[20:50] <Red_HamsterX> Okay, it's there.
[20:50] <titeuf_87> Hehe, ok :)
[20:50] <Red_HamsterX> Thanks. :)
[20:50] <titeuf_87> You're welcome!
[20:51] <daker> ubuntujenkins, i need a rtl logo of UMP
[20:51] <ubuntujenkins> whats rtl?
[20:52] <daker> right to left
[20:52] <ubuntujenkins> oo i see ask thorwil if he will make you one
[20:52] <daker> thorwil, !!!
[20:54] <thorwil> daker: how is the ump logo direction dependent?
[20:54] <daker> what ?
[20:55] <daker> so i need the logo at the right and the "Ubuntu Manual Project" at the left
[20:55] <daker> the logo = the book
[20:57] <thorwil> daker: ah. no translation of "Ubuntu Manual Project"?
[20:57] <daker> no
[20:57] <thorwil> daker: which size?
[20:58] <daker> the same as http://ubuntu-manual.org/images/header.png
[21:01]  * daker adds a rtl support for the design
[21:01] <daker> ubuntujenkins, i made update in the pot file
[21:02] <ubuntujenkins> err not sure exactly what that fiel does
[21:03] <daker> if i upload it, the unused strings will disappear ?
[21:04] <thorwil> daker: that header image should have been replaced. anyway, email address, please, so i can send you both
[21:05] <ubuntujenkins> daker don't upload it with out checking with dutchie
[21:05] <daker><EMAIL_ADDRESS>|<EMAIL_ADDRESS>thorwil
[21:05] <daker> ubuntujenkins, oki
[21:06] <ubuntujenkins> I ahev 44mb to lose from the cd
[21:06] <daker> the Hebrew language is rtl ? yes
[21:08] <thorwil> daker: send
[21:09] <ubuntujenkins> daker no its he
[21:09] <ubuntujenkins> you can check here https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual
[21:09] <ubuntujenkins> clikc on each one and the language code is on that page somewhere
[21:10] <daker> ubuntujenkins, i know its he
[21:10] <daker> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bi-directional_text
[21:10] <daker> Some writing systems of the world, notably the Arabic (including variants such as Nasta'liq), Persian and Hebrew scripts
[21:11] <ubuntujenkins> o sorry that whole rtl got me again
[21:11] <daker> are written form right to left
[21:11] <daker> hhhh
[21:11] <ubuntujenkins> I haev no clue without googleing
[21:11] <daker> :)
[21:11] <ubuntujenkins> trying to do to many things at once
[21:12] <daker> thorwil, you send it where ?
[21:15] <thorwil> daker: your manual address
[21:16] <daker> oh spam
[21:19] <daker> we need the logo with transparent background pls thorwil
[21:20] <daker> i will be back
[21:20] <godbyk> Okay, I'm alive again.  (Somewhat.)
[21:20] <ubuntujenkins> hello godbyk do you have a strange sleeping pattern?
[21:22] <thorwil> daker: ok, send, too
[21:23] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: yes, quite.  I'm in the US/Central time zone.
[21:23] <godbyk> I went to sleep this morning at about 8 a.m. and woke up at about 3 p.m.
[21:24] <ubuntujenkins> lol, any suggestions on what else to remove from the live cd need 44mb of space
[21:24] <godbyk> Let to its own devices, my sleep time seems to keep moving later and later.
[21:24] <godbyk> Hmm..
[21:25] <godbyk> We can remove pretty much any of the apps we're *not* taking screenshots of, right?
[21:25] <ubuntujenkins> done most of them openoffice
[21:25] <ubuntujenkins> went and games
[21:27] <godbyk> Crazy-ancient kernel modules that no one uses?
[21:27] <godbyk> The printer database is pretty big, I expect.  Did you remove all the printing stuff?
[21:27] <ubuntujenkins> yep printing is gone, kernel gets complex not sure thats worth the effort
[21:28] <ubuntujenkins> unless the are apt-get
[21:28] <godbyk> probably not separate packages
[21:28] <ubuntujenkins> though as much
[21:28] <godbyk> you could remove all the sound stuff, probably.
[21:28] <ubuntujenkins> i did but installing rytham box brings it back
[21:28] <godbyk> crap.
[21:29] <godbyk> can you create a list of all the packages that are still there?
[21:29] <godbyk> I can skim through it and see if something pops out.
[21:30] <ubuntujenkins> i will do next build, that would be good thanks it is mid build at the moment
[21:30] <ubuntujenkins> so glad i scripted this
[21:30] <godbyk> gotcha.
[21:30] <godbyk> I'm *always* glad after I've scripted something.
[21:30] <godbyk> It seems to pay off every time.
[21:30] <ubuntujenkins> I have done about 20 builds today
[21:33] <godbyk> how long does it take to build?
[21:33] <godbyk> and is the process of customizing a live cd pretty easy these days?
[21:34] <ubuntujenkins> about 40 mins allowing for changes, its easy once you have a script uck is suppose to make it easy but it breaks for me. the wiki on it is good
[21:34] <daker> thorwil, spam again :)
[21:34] <thorwil> dang! :)
[21:35] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: where would you like the list?
[21:36] <godbyk> How big is it? You could just email it to me at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>if you like.
[21:36] <godbyk> if you want to put it up so everyone can gawk, maybe drop it in an etherpad?
[21:36] <ubuntujenkins> etherpad
[21:36] <godbyk> fair enough.
[21:38] <ubuntujenkins> every one suggest things have a look at and see what we can remove http://etherpad.com/hRCjx2Yu2G
[21:38] <ubuntujenkins> irc so nearly got spamed like mad with over 1000 lines
[21:39] <godbyk> lol
[21:40] <godbyk> anacron
[21:40] <godbyk> app-install-data* ?
[21:40] <godbyk> apparmor
[21:40] <godbyk> aptdaemon
[21:40] <godbyk> at
[21:41] <godbyk> at-spi (and all the accessibility stuff)
[21:41] <ubuntujenkins> accessibility has to stay
[21:41] <godbyk> bc
[21:41] <ubuntujenkins> screenshot
[21:41] <godbyk> rats
[21:41] <godbyk> 'cause that probably would've been a big one. :)
[21:42] <godbyk> what did you use to generate the list?
[21:42] <godbyk> can we have the list of packages and their sizes? sort by size and see if that's faster
[21:42] <ubuntujenkins> dpkg -l >> packages i couldn't rember the other way
[21:45] <daker> ubuntujenkins, "The requested version of the Ubuntu Manual is not yet released." is it correct ?
[21:45] <ubuntujenkins> in what manner?
[21:45] <daker> spelling
[21:46] <ubuntujenkins> us english or uk english
[21:46] <daker> in my english :)
[21:46] <ubuntujenkins> its fine
[21:47] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: try: dpkg-query -W -f='${Installed-Size}\t${Package}\n' | sort -nr
[21:47] <daker> oki
[21:47] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: I will in a bit i started it going again
[21:47] <godbyk> bah!
[21:47] <godbyk> :)
[21:47] <ubuntujenkins> it takes so long...
[21:47] <ubuntujenkins> ;P
[21:48] <godbyk> wow.. I have a package libopensg-doc that's 8 times larger than the kernel image.
[21:49] <ubuntujenkins> whats that one do?
[21:49] <godbyk> it's the documentation for the OpenSG library.
[21:49] <ubuntujenkins> thats going as well then
[21:49] <godbyk> OpenSG is a scenegraph library. (Used with graphics.)
[21:49] <daker> dutchie, !!!
[21:49] <godbyk> Well, it's not in your system.
[21:49] <godbyk> It's only in my system.
[21:49] <ubuntujenkins> o dam
[21:50] <godbyk> Good try, though! :)
[21:50] <ubuntujenkins> right got all of the screenshots in
[22:00] <ubuntujenkins> build is finished and still 44mb to find
[22:01] <godbyk> If you update the etherpad with the sorted list, we can see what else there is to remove.
[22:01] <ubuntujenkins> I will start it off again and let you know when it is updated
[22:02] <godbyk> Aw, man.. this book on amazon costs $20, but I need to spend $25 to get free shipping.  Oh, whatever shall I do?  <grin>
[22:02] <godbyk> k
[22:02] <ubuntujenkins> by more stuff
[22:02] <ubuntujenkins> *buy
[22:03] <godbyk> yeah, the super-saver shipping is just an excuse for me to buy more books.  twist my arm, why don't ya, amazon!
[22:03] <godbyk> (they know I don't need much of an excuse!)
[22:03] <daker> i will be back
[22:04] <ubuntujenkins> its only £5 now for supersaver it use to be £15
[22:05] <ubuntujenkins> I still have to pack my dad is picking me up from uni in less than 10 hours and i need sleep
[22:14]  * ubuntujenkins the manual has all the english screenshots in it rev 602
[22:14] <manualbot> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/revision/602 | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual -r 602
[22:14] <ubuntujenkins> thank you manualbot
[22:14] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: awesome!
[22:15] <ubuntujenkins> I am glad we are not doing all the rest manualy
[22:18] <ubuntujenkins> Red_HamsterX: is it possible to define what the file names are for each screenshot?
[22:18] <Red_HamsterX> ?
[22:18] <Red_HamsterX> What do you mean?
[22:20] <ubuntujenkins> well if i am right the first screenshot of the install must always be called 01-live-cd-welcome.png otherwise laytex will not find it. am i right godbyk
[22:20] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: well, I just need to know the name of a screenshot that is a full-screen shot (e.g., the entire desktop).
[22:20] <Red_HamsterX> Oh, yes, that's the purpose of the manifest dictionary.
[22:20] <godbyk> that's what I key off of to get the scaling factor.
[22:20] <godbyk> so you can name it whatever you like.
[22:21] <godbyk> I just need to know what the name is in the end, so I can set the scaling factor.
[22:21] <Red_HamsterX> "gedit-welcome" is just something I made up.
[22:21] <godbyk> (alternatively, you can create a dummy graphic that has the same width as the widest screenshot and I can use that instead.)
[22:21] <Red_HamsterX> A dummy graphic in the common branch would probably work for that.
[22:21] <ubuntujenkins> 02-blank-desktop.png is the full desktop
[22:22] <ubuntujenkins> but what i mean is we the french version of the screenshot must be called the same as the english one right?
[22:22] <godbyk> the file names of the screenshots should be the same across all languages, too.
[22:23] <ubuntujenkins> thats what i thought
[22:23] <godbyk> so 02-blank-desktop.png should be the file name regardless of the language.
[22:23] <Red_HamsterX> And that's how the system is set up to work.
[22:23] <godbyk> cool
[22:24] <Red_HamsterX> When the zipfile is generated, the language and timestamp stuffis stripped.
[22:24] <ubuntujenkins> wwwooo
[22:24] <Red_HamsterX> I'm going to go test today's changes.
[22:24] <Red_HamsterX> I'll start building the manifest based on your sample screencaps in a few hours.
[22:25] <Red_HamsterX> It should be done sometime tomorrow, assuming I don't get distracted by taxes.
[22:25] <Red_HamsterX> Oh, wait. I forgot something.
[22:26] <ubuntujenkins> thanks I am working on a daily ppa
[22:26] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: etherpad is updates
[22:26] <ubuntujenkins> *updated
[22:26] <ubuntujenkins> http://etherpad.com/hRCjx2Yu2G
[22:26] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: linux-firmware?
[22:27] <ubuntujenkins> whats it do?
[22:27] <godbyk> Firmware for Linux kernel drivers
[22:27] <godbyk>  This package provides firmware used by Linux kernel drivers.
[22:27] <godbyk> says it's optional
[22:27] <ubuntujenkins> going
[22:27] <godbyk> and we don't care about most devices that require firmware, I don't think.
[22:27] <godbyk> do we really need libc6-dev?
[22:28] <godbyk> we're not compiling or building anything are we?
[22:28] <ubuntujenkins> nope
[22:28] <godbyk> what's using perl and perl-modules?
[22:28] <ubuntujenkins> I am adding these to the current build and will not set it going untilll it is done. not sure don't think so
[22:28] <godbyk> do we mention tomboy in the manual?
[22:29] <ubuntujenkins> yes
[22:29] <Red_HamsterX> Perl is a dependency of a lot ofstuff...
[22:29] <Red_HamsterX> of stuff*
[22:29] <godbyk> figures
[22:29] <godbyk> anything we need?
[22:29] <Red_HamsterX> Probably.
[22:30] <ubuntujenkins> most of the basic programs
[22:30] <ubuntujenkins>  f-spot firefox totem rhythmbox evolution empathy brasero software-center gwibber light-themes tomboy
[22:30] <godbyk> strange.
[22:31] <godbyk> we don't need make, do we?
[22:31] <ubuntujenkins> no...
[22:31] <godbyk> or manpages
[22:31] <ubuntujenkins> nope
[22:31] <Red_HamsterX> If we don't need make, we can scrap gcc, too, right?
[22:31] <godbyk> probably
[22:31] <Red_HamsterX> And things like m4.
[22:31] <Red_HamsterX> If that's in there.
[22:31] <godbyk> and autotools if they're there
[22:31] <ubuntujenkins> what line are we reading?
[22:32] <godbyk> looks like gcc is there
[22:32] <godbyk> autotools aren't there
[22:32] <ubuntujenkins> grep can go
[22:32] <godbyk> we don't need vinagre
[22:33] <godbyk> are you still using grep from an exec call?
[22:33] <ubuntujenkins> don't think so
[22:33] <ubuntujenkins> I removed any grep i put in
[22:33] <godbyk> file-roller?
[22:34] <godbyk> is seahorse required?
[22:34] <godbyk> aptitude?
[22:34] <ubuntujenkins> I know none of these at all, except aptitude
[22:34] <godbyk> ubuntu-docs is huge!
[22:34] <Red_HamsterX> file-roller is the archival utility.
[22:35] <godbyk> seahorse is a gui for gpg
[22:35] <ubuntujenkins> we have a screenshot for yelp
[22:35] <Red_HamsterX> Isn't ubuntu-docs a requirement of ubuntu-desktop?
[22:35] <ubuntujenkins> seahorse can go
[22:35] <godbyk> did you remove all but the default theme?
[22:35] <Red_HamsterX> We have screenshots of the themes window.
[22:35] <godbyk> rats
[22:35] <Red_HamsterX> That's what I thought, too.
[22:35] <Red_HamsterX> Oh, what about the sample data?
[22:35] <godbyk> linux-libc-dev
[22:35] <Red_HamsterX> The music and documents.
[22:36] <godbyk> manpages-dev
[22:36] <Red_HamsterX> Anything -dev can probably be scrapped.
[22:36] <ubuntujenkins> I think i removed the samples
[22:36] <godbyk> dnsutils
[22:36] <godbyk> ubuntu-sounds
[22:36] <Red_HamsterX> Doesn't resolver depend on dnsutils?
[22:37] <godbyk> hplip-data is for printing. can we yank that?
[22:37] <Red_HamsterX> Oh, no.
[22:37] <Red_HamsterX> It's removable.
[22:37] <Red_HamsterX> (dnsutils, I mean)
[22:37] <Red_HamsterX> Why don't I try ripping these out of my Lucid system to see?
[22:38] <godbyk> dnsutils only has dig, nslookup, and nsupdate.
[22:38] <godbyk> not used by anything except sysadmins, afaik.
[22:38] <Red_HamsterX> dnsutils breaks gnome-nettool (which we probably aren't covering).
[22:38] <Red_HamsterX> Yeah, no normal user would need it.
[22:38] <ubuntujenkins> we are covering nm-applet
[22:38] <godbyk> oh, well, yank that, too, then. :)
[22:38] <Red_HamsterX> nm != nettool
[22:39] <godbyk> right.
[22:39] <Red_HamsterX> nettool is the GUI for doing network testing.
[22:39] <godbyk> nettool is a gui for ifconfig ping netstatus traceroute, etc.
[22:39] <Red_HamsterX> nm is the thing Canonical is supposed to be getting back to me about.
[22:39] <godbyk> what about it?
[22:39] <ubuntujenkins> so do we need dnsutils?
[22:39]  * Red_HamsterX rages at how long it takes for them to do anything.
[22:39] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: nope. kill dnsutils
[22:39] <Red_HamsterX> dnsutils can be dropped.
[22:40] <godbyk> and gnome-nettools
[22:40] <Red_HamsterX> It's removed as a consequence.
[22:40] <Red_HamsterX> Broken dependency.
[22:40] <godbyk> gotcha
[22:40] <godbyk> any idea how much more space we need to free up?
[22:40] <Red_HamsterX> I don't see hplib-data on my Lucid box.
[22:41] <godbyk> can we kill linux-headers-* ?
[22:41] <godbyk> we're not compiling modules against the kernel.
[22:41] <Red_HamsterX> I don't think so.
[22:41] <Red_HamsterX> We may need them for disper.
[22:41] <ubuntujenkins> as much as possible, if someone adds a language....
[22:41] <Red_HamsterX> Though I don';t actually know how disper works.
[22:41] <Red_HamsterX> Maybe it's binary.
[22:41] <ubuntujenkins> all i know is it works :-)
[22:42] <Red_HamsterX> If it's source, we may need gcc after all.
[22:42] <godbyk> looks like disper is python
[22:42] <ubuntujenkins> I will add disper and check
[22:42] <Red_HamsterX> I meant the modules it installs.
[22:42] <Red_HamsterX> Actually... What does it do?
[22:42] <godbyk> doesn't depend on the kernel headers
[22:42] <Red_HamsterX> I know it's related to nvidia...
[22:43] <godbyk> it changes the screen res.
[22:43] <ubuntujenkins> wraps xrandr up for nvidia
[22:43] <Red_HamsterX> That's it?
[22:43] <Red_HamsterX> Ignore me, then.
[22:44] <godbyk> let's see how close that gets us first.
[22:44] <godbyk> then we can kill more stuff if we need to.
[22:45] <ubuntujenkins> rigth well we don't want to remove something there
[22:46] <ubuntujenkins> http://paste.ubuntu.com/402071/
[22:47] <godbyk> binary search.
[22:47] <godbyk> split the list in half and try it
[22:47] <godbyk> then keep splitting in half 'til you find the culprit
[22:48] <Red_HamsterX> Binary searching's for chumps.
[22:48]  * Red_HamsterX greedy algorithms.
[22:49] <ubuntujenkins> its perl
[22:49] <Red_HamsterX> That makes sense.
[22:49] <Red_HamsterX> Given that everytthing requires perl.
[22:49] <ubuntujenkins> lol
[22:50] <ubuntujenkins> WARNING: The following essential packages will be removed.
[22:50] <ubuntujenkins> This should NOT be done unless you know exactly what you are doing!
[22:50] <ubuntujenkins>   grep
[22:50] <ubuntujenkins> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 28 to remove and 2 not upgraded.
[22:50] <ubuntujenkins> After this operation, 219MB disk space will be freed.
[22:50] <ubuntujenkins> You are about to do something potentially harmful
[22:50] <ubuntujenkins> To continue type in the phrase ‘Yes, do as I say!’
[22:50] <Red_HamsterX> Which essential packages?
[22:50] <ubuntujenkins> grep is important not removing that
[22:51] <Red_HamsterX> I don't think you'd save enough space by removing grep to make it worth typing the command.
[22:51] <ubuntujenkins> i don't think it is
[22:51] <godbyk> right
[22:55] <ubuntujenkins> I am going to get packing to go home
[22:59] <Red_HamsterX> I seem to have run into textwrap issues related to labels and the changes I was making. :(
[22:59] <ubuntujenkins> :(
[22:59] <Red_HamsterX> Oh, well.
[22:59] <Red_HamsterX> Easy to fix.
[22:59] <Red_HamsterX> Although...
[23:00] <Red_HamsterX> Couldn't we just call .fit() on each window after populating it?
[23:00] <ubuntujenkins> does that ake the window bigger?
[23:00] <ubuntujenkins> *make
[23:00] <Red_HamsterX> Probably, but it'll respect max size hints.
[23:01] <Red_HamsterX> Oh, well. Save it for later.
[23:01] <Red_HamsterX> When we have a translated program to worry about and need to rework the windows anyway.
[23:01] <Red_HamsterX> (And have a more modular design to make testing easier)
[23:01] <ubuntujenkins> cool :-)
[23:02] <ubuntujenkins> its all a bit of a rush togther for thsi release
[23:02] <Red_HamsterX> As long as it works.
[23:03] <ubuntujenkins> exactly
[23:05] <godbyk> we'll clean up the design for the next release.
[23:06] <ubuntujenkins> what version number should this release be?
[23:07] <Red_HamsterX> Probaboy 0.1.0 or something.
[23:07] <Red_HamsterX> Probably*
[23:07] <ubuntujenkins> the most important thing :P
[23:07] <Red_HamsterX> That usually means "functional, but without every feature we wanted. Also unsuitable for forking."
[23:07] <ubuntujenkins> that sounds like a good number then
[23:08] <ubuntujenkins> and the total of the cd is.............
[23:08] <ubuntujenkins> 702mb
[23:09] <Red_HamsterX> So close...
[23:09] <ubuntujenkins> we lost 40mb so thats really good
[23:09] <ubuntujenkins> just checking we still have a gui
[23:10] <ubuntujenkins> it fits onto a cd-rw with 678.0kb of space
[23:10] <ubuntujenkins> but we still haev to get quickshot and disper on it
[23:12] <titeuf_87> Weren't we going to not use disper on the livecd and use vesa drivers on there?
[23:12] <ubuntujenkins> good point disper is not needed in the live cd
[23:13] <ubuntujenkins> we will need a massive DONT INSTALL FROM THIS CD sign next to the download button
[23:15] <ubuntujenkins> titeuf_87: I forget when its this late
[23:15] <godbyk> can we just remove the installation stuff from the CD so it *can't* be installed?
[23:15] <godbyk> that should save space, too
[23:16] <ubuntujenkins> somebody.... no names wants install screenshots
[23:16] <ubuntujenkins> same person who wanted the wubi one
[23:17] <titeuf_87> could comment out the last part of the installation that actually does it maybe?
[23:18] <Red_HamsterX> I'd imagine installing is an extensively documented process already...
[23:18] <Red_HamsterX> Probably a bit too late in this document's livfecycle to bring that up, though.
[23:18] <ubuntujenkins> as long as we see alll install windows the first slide of the install and the "restart now" window I don't mind
[23:18] <Red_HamsterX> titeuf_87, there's a new function that lets users pull the last-uploaded screenshot from the server into a pixbuf.
[23:19] <Red_HamsterX> And your local caching thing seems to be working perfectly.
[23:19] <Red_HamsterX> I'm going to nuke the data/ directory on my server so we can start fresh.
[23:19] <titeuf_87> Right now I loaded it from a filename right?
[23:19] <Red_HamsterX> No.
[23:20] <Red_HamsterX> It's Pixbuf for the reference.
[23:20] <ubuntujenkins> anyone a quickly expert who can help with ppas?
[23:20] <Red_HamsterX> This is so they can see what was uploaded before.
[23:20] <Red_HamsterX> In case they need to update a screenshot.
[23:20] <titeuf_87> Ah ok.
[23:20] <Red_HamsterX> It's a nice-to-have thing.
[23:20] <ubuntujenkins> I can't find the quickshot devs group
[23:20] <Red_HamsterX> Not something you have to implement if you don't have time.
[23:21] <Red_HamsterX> It seems we're nearing the point at which we can actually do real testing, though. :)
[23:21] <Red_HamsterX> Thank you very much for your work.
[23:21] <Red_HamsterX> I hate writing GUIs.
[23:21] <titeuf_87> I can add that in tomorrow, right now I'm getting a bit too tired.
[23:21] <ubuntujenkins> thank you both for your work, i would have got no where
[23:21] <Red_HamsterX> No hurry.
[23:22] <Red_HamsterX> It's just a "This could be useful" thing.
[23:22] <Red_HamsterX> Spawn a new window when a button is clicked.
[23:22] <Red_HamsterX> It'll probably be unused by 99% of the users.
[23:22] <Red_HamsterX> Oh, and I peppered the thing with debug messages.
[23:22] <Red_HamsterX> Use --debug to see them.
[23:23] <Red_HamsterX> And use --devel if you need to install Quickshot.
[23:23] <Red_HamsterX> (The absence of --devel implies that it was installed from a .deb, which ubuntujenkins is working on now)
[23:23] <Red_HamsterX> Also, you're welcome, ubuntujenkins. I just wish I had more time for this cycle.
[23:23] <titeuf_87> --devel pulls the latest version from bzr?
[23:24] <Red_HamsterX> --devel makes things work they way they've been working 'til now.
[23:24] <ubuntujenkins> so close I can get it to my personal ppa not the quickshot devs which is where i want it
[23:24] <Red_HamsterX> LEt's see...
[23:25] <ubuntujenkins> getting help from #ubuntu-app-devel
[23:25] <Red_HamsterX> That'll probably be faster than me poking around the docs.
[23:26] <ubuntujenkins> thats where i found titeuf_87 bet he regrets the day he helped me :-P
[23:27] <titeuf_87> oh right
[23:27] <titeuf_87> with that counter thing
[23:27] <ubuntujenkins> yep indeed
[23:27] <Red_HamsterX> humphreybc just wandered into #python and asked if anyone wanted to help with Ubuntu-Manual. He provided no other details.
[23:27] <Red_HamsterX> Somehow, I ended up here.
[23:27] <Red_HamsterX> Writing PHP.
[23:27] <titeuf_87> that reminds me, I've reworked it in an acire snippet, just forgot to publish it yet
[23:27] <ubuntujenkins> that took me a week
[23:28] <ubuntujenkins> it took titeuf_87 20 minutes
[23:28] <titeuf_87> Who started quickshot actually?
[23:29] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc
[23:29] <Red_HamsterX> It started itself.
[23:29] <ubuntujenkins> (ben)
[23:29] <ubuntujenkins> his idea he did the first gui stuff then TommyBrunn started it and i started as a "tester only" where my words
[23:30] <Red_HamsterX> Yeah... Things don't work out so well for testers.
[23:30] <Red_HamsterX> Especially in my projects.
[23:31] <daker> godbyk,
[23:31] <ubuntujenkins> i am not much of coder but i can do some python now
[23:31] <ubuntujenkins> the list on etherpad is up to date again http://etherpad.com/hRCjx2Yu2G
[23:31] <Red_HamsterX> http://uguu.ca/uguusoft/ultra-tank-chan/ The other two who worked on it were just "testers" when I proposed the idea.
[23:32] <Red_HamsterX> One of them learned XML analysis techniques from it.
[23:32] <ubuntujenkins> nice wish i had more time all this uni stuff
[23:33] <Red_HamsterX> That was my university pre-graduation-semester project.
[23:33] <Red_HamsterX> I only worked on it in classes.
[23:33] <Red_HamsterX> (Useless things, like Anthropology)
[23:33] <titeuf_87> I'm glad to be done with all this :)
[23:34] <ubuntujenkins> thats amazing, what did you study if you don't mind me asking
[23:34] <Red_HamsterX> University?
[23:34] <Red_HamsterX> Or Quickshot?
[23:34] <titeuf_87> Well college for me.
[23:34] <Red_HamsterX> AI major, linguistics minor.
[23:34] <Red_HamsterX> Hence crazy things like http://uguu.ca/ar-sphaela/hymmnoserver/
[23:35] <ubuntujenkins> cool, we don't do minors
[23:36] <ubuntujenkins> I really want to remove the screenshot of help its so anoying
[23:36] <Red_HamsterX> Because it costs so much apce and it doesn't really do anything?
[23:36] <ubuntujenkins> yep
[23:36] <Red_HamsterX> Since you're reading a manual.
[23:36] <Red_HamsterX> So you don't really need online help.
[23:36] <ubuntujenkins> 269mb and the screenshot is awful
[23:37] <ubuntujenkins> have you looked at help recently?
[23:37] <daker> ubuntujenkins, http://test.ubuntu-manual.org/?lang=he
[23:37] <ubuntujenkins> oo daker we can choose our languages
[23:37] <Red_HamsterX> The last time I looked at help was when I was writing the section on installing and managing packages in 2005.
[23:37] <daker> yes
[23:38] <daker> there somothing missing
[23:38] <daker> e
[23:38] <daker> is
[23:38] <daker> godbyk, !!!
[23:39] <ubuntujenkins> why is the text at the bottom to the right? daker
[23:39] <daker> where ?
[23:39] <ubuntujenkins> on the link you sent me
[23:39]  * Red_HamsterX updates his dev-blog for the first time in a month.
[23:40] <daker> the string are not yet translated
[23:40] <ubuntujenkins> but the top is left it looks odd
[23:40] <daker> screenshot pls
[23:41] <ubuntujenkins> o no sorry its right
[23:41] <ubuntujenkins> just not so obvious
[23:42] <ubuntujenkins> godbyks internet must have gone again
[23:48] <Red_HamsterX> What's the URL for the translation status page?
[23:49] <ubuntujenkins> for quickshot?
[23:49] <Red_HamsterX> For the manual.
[23:49] <ubuntujenkins> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual
[23:50] <Red_HamsterX> Thanks. :)
[23:50] <ubuntujenkins> how can i get dpkg to list just the pakage name?
[23:50] <Red_HamsterX> Oh, weird... It just collapsed back to English/French, which is what I was trying to avoid.
[23:50] <Red_HamsterX> Oh. View all. So I did find it initially.
[23:50] <Red_HamsterX> dpkg or apt?
[23:51] <ubuntujenkins> either just need to look for all file ending in doc
[23:51] <ubuntujenkins> i don't want to have to type them manualy apt-get remove *doc doesn't work
[23:52] <Red_HamsterX> Ah.
[23:53] <Red_HamsterX> Gimme a moment.
[23:53] <ubuntujenkins> thanks
[23:54] <Red_HamsterX> apt-cache search "\-doc" | cut -d " " -f 1
[23:54] <Red_HamsterX> for i in `apt-cache search "\-doc" | cut -d " " -f 1`; do echo $i; done
[23:54] <Red_HamsterX> Or store the list in an array or something.
[23:54] <Red_HamsterX> And concatenate it with spaces.
[23:55] <Red_HamsterX> Depending on what you're working with.
[23:56] <ubuntujenkins> That list is good thanks
[23:56] <godbyk> apparently, the internet is still not fixed here. :-(
[23:57] <Red_HamsterX> Apparently. :(
[23:57] <ubuntujenkins> i guessed :(
[23:57] <daker> godbyk,
[23:57] <godbyk> Hey, daker. What's up?
[23:57] <godbyk> (Talk fast!)  :)
[23:57] <daker> some files hasn't been updated :s
[23:58] <godbyk> daker: which ones and where?
[23:59] <daker> css/styled.css
[23:59] <daker> images/header.png
[23:59] <godbyk> on test.ubuntu-manual.org or ubuntu-manual.org?
[23:59] <daker> test.ubuntu-manual.org