[07:37] <dholbach> good morning
[15:46] <dholbach> Last day of UDW (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek) starting in 15 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[22:56] <cjohnston> czajkowski: itnet7 paultag Saudi Arabia has two teams listed on LD.. Could you please work with them on getting them merged? Thanks
[22:56] <cjohnston> and Esperanto is back to marking a whole bunch of countries because they are a locale team... this needs to be fixed as well
[22:57] <cjohnston> And Hong Kong needs to be merged as well as I believe Kosova/Kosovo
[23:32] <Wilczek> Good night :)
[23:35] <locodir-user> hola
[23:36] <locodir-user> hay alguien?
[23:37] <cjohnston> locodir-user: you may want to try #ubuntu-es
[23:39] <locodir-user> ok, i am confused
[23:39] <locodir-user> thanks you


[02:26] <LeeJunFan> are there daily images available somewhere of breezy?
[02:27] <LeeJunFan> I seem to remember a mirror like cdimage.com or some such thing. But for the life of me it's been a while and I can't remember the hostname of the mirror site with all the CD images.
[02:38] <LeeJunFan> nevermind - I found the place on releases site.
[06:10] <lamont> checking for libxmms... /build/buildd/kdenetwork-3.4.2/./configure: line 38608: xmms-config: command not found
[06:10] <lamont> no
[06:10] <lamont>  /build/buildd/kdenetwork-3.4.2/./configure: line 38610: xmms-config: command not found
[06:10] <lamont> kdenetwork_4:3.4.2-0ubuntu2
[06:12] <\sh> lol
[06:17] <lamont> ??  anyone can look at the logs
[06:17] <\sh> today, ?
[06:17] <lamont> (well, actually, I'm pulling this from hppa logs generally, but I generally make sure that there's at least one more failing arch before I actually file a bug.)
[06:17] <lamont> yes.
[06:18] <lamont> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Test/byDate/
[06:18] <lamont> or ~lamont/buildLogs/Test/k/kdenetwork and follow your nose
[06:18] <lamont> mind you, this version might build... :-)
[06:19] <lamont> for uploads since we snapshotted breezy-autotest, you have to look in the real logs (drop the Test/)
[06:19] <\sh> well...it's from the 27th
[06:19] <lamont> sounds about right
[06:19] <\sh> checking for libxmms... /build/buildd/kdenetwork-3.4.2/./configure: line 38608: xmms-config: command not found
[06:19] <\sh> /build/buildd/kdenetwork-3.4.2/./configure: line 38610: xmms-config: command not found
[06:20] <lamont> ding-ding-ding!
[06:20] <\sh> hmmm Trying patch debian/patches/11_dlopen-xmms.diff at level 0...success.
[06:20] <\sh> what is using xmms in kdenetwork?
[06:20] <lamont> smacks of a missing build-dep
[06:20] <\sh> lamont: my key needs to be merged into main ;)
[06:21] <lamont> well, and uses gnome, etc...
[06:21] <\sh> so i could fix it
[06:21] <lamont> ah, CC/TB approved, just process-blocked?
[06:21] <\sh> TB approved already...
[06:21] <lamont> meanwhile, if you have a patch, I can certainly do the upload
[06:21] <\sh> elmo delay ;)
[06:21] <lamont> but for now, I'm going to sleep
[06:22] <\sh> lamont: I will check it when I'm reaching office...so I will provide a patch if it's a onliner
[06:22] <\sh> oneliner even
[06:22] <\sh> actually I need to inject xterm-302 as well..cause it looks like daniels has not the time to do the upload
[06:22] <lamont> you know... when your compile takes so long that you add a %completion to the make process, that's a bad sign...
[06:24] <\sh> we need some sponsored hardware from intel, ibm or amd to have a good build testing env...(actually the motus can be a good address for this)
[06:24] <\sh> some fast SMP machines
[06:27] <crimsun> I can mention that to my manager
[06:29] <\sh> crimsun: for transitions and other mass test compiling stuff it would be nice to have this possibility to use it...some software is taking to long on single cpu machines
[06:31] <crimsun> I don't think amd64 is a possibility, but perhaps x86 and ppc
[06:32] <\sh> sounds good...ppc is very interessting...
[06:32] <crimsun> I'll ask in the morning, but I don't know precisely who/which group handles this at IBM, so I'll probably need more info, etc.
[06:33] <\sh> hmmm...ubuntu for s390 ,-)
[11:19] <fromoze> uniq_: once I talk with you about conflits between knemo an knetworkconf on my amd64 computer. Now, I'm with a laptop i386 and  I get the same problem about overwriting icons with this three packages: kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.2-0ubuntu0hoary1_all.deb knetworkconf_0.6.1-3ubuntu4_i386.deb knemo_0.3.1-2ubuntu1.deb
[11:20] <fromoze> I'll take a look in bugzilla about it
[12:35] <\sh> Riddell: ping
[12:39] <Riddell> \sh: hi
[12:52] <\sh> Riddell: xmms + kdenetwork (kopete) is ftbfsing
[12:52] <\sh> Riddell: or did u remove the xmms-dev build-dev purposly? :)
[01:02] <Riddell> I seem to mind it was removed so as not to bring in gtk
[01:03] <Riddell> \sh: looks like successful building on 4 platforms to me
[01:06] <\sh> riddell: yes without xmms-dev
[01:06] <\sh> no with xmms-dev
[01:06] <\sh> check the logs
[01:07] <\sh> checking for libxmms... /build/buildd/kdenetwork-3.4.2/./configure: line 38608: xmms-config: command not found
[01:07] <\sh> /build/buildd/kdenetwork-3.4.2/./configure: line 38610: xmms-config: command not found
[01:07] <\sh> no
[01:07] <\sh> I just added a xmms-dev to build dep..
[01:07] <\sh> and got
[01:07] <\sh> ./kopete/plugins/nowlistening/.libs/kopete_nowlistening_la_all_cpp.o: In function `NLXmms::update()':
[01:08] <\sh> /tmp/buildd/kdenetwork-3.4.2/kopete/plugins/nowlistening/nlxmms.cpp:49: undefined reference to `xmms_remote_get_version'
[01:08] <\sh> /tmp/buildd/kdenetwork-3.4.2/kopete/plugins/nowlistening/nlxmms.cpp:54: undefined reference to `xmms_remote_is_playing'
[01:08] <\sh> and more
[01:08] <\sh> lamont reported it this morning
[01:09] <Riddell> so just don't add it to the build-deps?
[01:09] <\sh> Riddell: no...it's a feature of kopete ;)
[01:09] <\sh> a default feature ;)
[01:10] <Riddell> does anyone still use xmms?
[01:11] <\sh> REQUIREMENTS
[01:11] <\sh> Requires XMMS remote control header xmmsctrl.h
[01:11] <\sh> (can be found in:
[01:11] <\sh> * SuSE's base xmms rpm
[01:11] <\sh> * Mandrake's libxmms1-devel rpm
[01:11] <\sh> * RedHat, TurboLinux, Conectiva: xmms-devel )
[01:11] <\sh> thats the readme
[01:11] <\sh> Riddell: yes..cause amarok has some pitfalls with some soundfiles
[01:12] <\sh> hmmm...it's in xmms-dev
[01:15] <\sh> i think I see thhe bug
[01:22] <\sh> hmm..no...it should load the include and get it..the functions are defined...
[01:22] <\sh> so something is wrong with the lib itself
[01:26] <\sh> also not..the functions symbols are inside the lib
[06:22] <aureal_> wenas
[08:18] <Mez> Riddell: ping
[08:21] <Riddell> pong
[08:53] <Riddell> Mez: pong
[08:54] <Mez> Riddell: er, unping for now - speak to mdz
[08:58] <Mez> bout backporting 3.4.2
[09:00] <Riddell> Mez: are you volunteering to change the build-deps so they are hoary and breezy friendly :)
[09:01] <Mez> speak to mdz
[09:01] <Mez> :P
[09:02] <Riddell> well I've read his e-mail and it does make sense
[09:02] <Riddell> it's just a long and boring job of changing the build-deps
[09:04] <Riddell> hello _eric
[09:08] <_eric> hello Riddell
[09:24] <Mez> Riddell, I would, I just dont know how :D
[09:28] <Riddell> Mez: get a hoary chroot, get a breezy chroot, apt-get source kdelibs in both, work out the differneces in build-deps and work out build-deps that will work in both
[09:31] <Riddell> oh dear
[09:52] <aureal_> byex all
[11:41] <Mez> Riddell: as I was trying to say: some of them are going to need liek -debian/rules modifying so that the patches arent applied depending on the auto* version thats installed
[11:42] <Riddell> Mez: like which?
[11:42] <Mez> lie, the hal patch on KDEBase
[11:42] <Mez> like *
[11:43] <Mez> will need to check in the rules about the auto* version :d
[11:43] <Mez> (or somehing)
[11:43] <Mez> if mdz is around we can talk to him bout it
[11:45] <Riddell> maybe the hal patch will work, or it should be possible to make it work
[11:45] <Mez> *shrugs*
[11:45] <Mez> well thats something I cant do
[11:45] <Riddell> you could try it and see :)
[11:45] <Mez> I mean I dont mind going through and sorting out the B-Ds
[11:45] <Mez> but I dont have upload to main anywyas
[11:46] <Mez> Riddell, #ubuntu-devel
[11:47] <Mez> nvm
[11:47] <Mez> lol
[11:47] <Mez> but yeah, I dont mind working with you.... but you could just provide your hoary source packages
[11:47] <Mez> or even better, debdiffs
[11:48] <Riddell> hoary source packages are in the same place as binary packages are
[11:53] <Mez> wget -r http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/kubuntu/hoary-kde342/pool/ -A .gz,.deb,.dsc,.changes
[11:54] <Riddell> Mez: or you could do apt-get source
[11:55] <Riddell> Mez: or I could give you an account and you could scp them off
[11:55] <Mez> Riddell: didnt think that
[11:55] <Mez> and the scp account would be easier
[11:55] <Mez> where's dev.kubuntu.org.uk hosteD?
[11:57] <Riddell> http://jriddell.org/photos/2005-03-14-ednet/
[11:58] <Mez> ah, on 19inch?
[11:58] <Riddell> no
[11:58] <Riddell> I don't trust ntl :)
[11:58] <Mez> oh... you paid for a server ina  nice shineh data centre?
[11:58] <Riddell> well, I wouldn't go as far to say I paid for it :)
[11:58] <Mez> Mark paid for it?
[11:59] <Riddell> no, other customers of mine
[11:59] <Mez> ?
[11:59] <Riddell> just random people
[11:59] <Mez> why are they paying for it
[11:59] <Riddell> http://jriddell.org/photos/2005-03-14-lumison-datacentre-kanyo-rack-back.jpg
[11:59] <Riddell> because they need it for some money spinning project of theirs
[12:00] <Mez> they need you to have a server?
[12:01] <Riddell> I administrate it
[12:01] <Riddell> and make sure the space CPU cycles are put to good use
[12:01] <Mez> ah, so you piggy-back on it :D
[12:02] <Riddell> wouldn't want to let CPU cycles go to waste
[12:02] <Mez> lol, well I'm sure I can help with taht
[12:02] <Riddell> anyway if you want an account send me your name, address, phone number and a declaration signed in blood not to abuse it or use up bandwidth
[12:03] <Mez> Riddell, I need all my blood at the moment, but I can do the rest (and sign with PGP key)
[12:05] <Mez> lol


[14:15] <elfy> hi hannie
[14:16] <hannie> hey there, elfy
[14:17] <elfy> we are official now then I guess - the log bot is here :)
[14:20] <hannie> ok, that is good news
[14:20] <elfy> yep - we'll have to be serious now :)
[14:20] <hannie> I am just reading the ubuntu-manual meeting logs (I did not attend)
[14:21] <elfy> I might start hanging around in the channel soon - just to get a feel for people
[14:22] <hannie> Here is a useful link: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
[14:23] <hannie> I am not sure if ubuntulog2 and meetingology use the same code
[14:24] <elfy> I have no idea - as far as I know the log bots are just for getting channels onto here - http://irclogs.ubuntu.com
[14:24] <hannie> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/05/19/%23ubuntu-manual.html#t19:05
[14:25] <hannie> This is the log I am just reading
[14:25] <hannie> And we use meetingology
[14:26] <hannie> The chair can use commands like # startmeeting, #topic, #vote etc.
[14:26] <elfy> I realise that - I'd assume that meetingology was there for meeting use - the channel also has ubuntulog in it I see
[14:27] <hannie> You are right. Here we only have ubuntulog2 (thusfar)
[14:28] <elfy> yep
[14:31] <elfy> will check to see if it is logging to the irclogs.ubuntu.com later
[14:32] <hannie> ok, so far I am happy the way we communicate (IRC and m/list)
[14:33] <elfy> yea me too - it's just that as this is 'offifical' we thought there should be logs available - it would make it easier for us too - we can check if we've been away for a while
[14:33] <elfy> alan bell I think is the one to ask about meetingology - might be good to have it here for meetings
[14:33]  * elfy thinks aloud
[14:34] <hannie> I was just going to ask: can we have meetingology here? Are you going to ask alan Bell?
[14:34] <elfy> I can do that
[14:34] <hannie> great!
[14:35] <hannie> I also see manualbot at #ubuntu-manual. No idea what this bot does
[14:35] <elfy> have to now - it's on the blueprint to remind me :)
[14:36] <hannie> ah, good old blueprint
[14:36] <elfy> :)
[14:37] <elfy> do you remember offhand if we decided to have a page to list done wiki's - I can't remember - if you can't don't worry - I will dig it out from my logs
[14:39] <hannie> I think not
[14:39] <elfy> okey doke
[14:40] <hannie> With all these separate pages, is it possible to have them together at some place or other?
[14:40] <elfy> the 3 list pages?
[14:40] <hannie> Like you put something in a folder?
[14:41] <hannie> yes, 3 and perhaps one coming
[14:41] <elfy> no idea to be honest - question can be asked - I'd have thought not - but they are all linked from one place in 'our wiki world'
[14:41] <hannie> I have the links in my Favorites, but I was just thinking if they can be gathered somewhere
[14:42] <hannie> no big deal. Just a thought
[14:42] <elfy> we can think about it and ask someone - no problem with that
[14:43] <elfy> and what's the 'perhaps one coming' ... :)
[14:43] <hannie> the wiki's done page
[14:43] <elfy> ok - you think there is a need?
[14:43] <hannie> not yet, but maybe in the future
[14:44] <elfy> mmm - if we have a need - better to have one now - or someone will have a long list to add in one go
[14:44] <hannie> Like I said before, when we have less work to do for the manual I will spend more time on ubforums2wiki
[14:44] <elfy> yea - I understand :)
[14:45] <elfy> I'll add it to blueprint as a thought
[14:45] <hannie> good idea, so we won't forget
[14:45] <elfy> yep
[14:46] <hannie> you know what I think of when you use the name elfy? LOTR
[14:46] <elfy> :)
[14:46] <elfy> you'd like my urukhai nick then lol
[14:46] <hannie> or Harry Potter
[14:46] <elfy> oh dear :(
[14:46] <elfy> :p
[14:46] <hannie> urukhai is from starwars?
[14:47] <elfy> urukhai are from LOTR
[14:47] <elfy> the bigger nastier goblins lol
[14:47] <hannie> argggg. stupid me
[14:47] <elfy> :)
[14:47] <hannie> I just listened to my cd LOTR
[14:47] <hannie> great music
[14:47] <hannie> especially Enya
[14:47] <elfy> I like enya
[14:48] <hannie> me too, and Clannad
[14:48] <elfy> blast from the past that is
[14:48] <hannie> but still good music (I find at least)
[14:48] <elfy> yep
[14:49] <elfy> back in a while - daughter home now
[14:50] <hannie> ok, back to work for me. cya
[14:50] <elfy> cya
[17:59] <elfy> wildmanne39: hi and notice the log bot finally
[18:42] <MGandTL> Is there a way to mark the pages on the import page as "in progress" or "bagged by x"? Don't want to start and then have someone else do it. :)
[18:50] <wildmanne39> Hi elfy
[18:50] <elfy> MGandTL: not at the moment
[18:51] <elfy> not been a problem as yet - start a m/list thread perhaps to get views on it
[18:51] <MGandTL> We have a mailing list?
[18:51] <elfy> it seems at the moment that people who started the ball rolling with a thread are doing the wiki
[18:52] <elfy> MGandTL: yes - at https://launchpad.net/~ubforums2ubwiki
[18:52] <elfy> and a blueprint
[18:52] <MGandTL> Ah. Okay, I'll go join that.


[12:33] <mdke> mvirkkil, i am now, shoot
[12:34] <mdke> mvirkkil, not sure what happened. Anyhow I guess that must have been a long time ago
[12:36] <mdke> mvirkkil, btw you are well fast at converting to moin :)
[12:36] <mdke> how the hell you do it i dunno
[12:40] <mvirkkil> I pick the easy ones ;-)
[12:41] <mvirkkil> But those last html pages are going to be a pain to convert.
[12:44] <mdke> *grins*
[12:44] <mdke> not so bad with a text editor and find/replace
[12:44] <mdke> we'll get em done
[12:45] <mvirkkil> Have fun ;-)
[12:45] <mdke> btw the german users have their own wiki
[12:45] <mdke> maybe the loco pages are out of date i dunno
[12:45] <mvirkkil> When are the other input formats going to be disabled?
[12:46] <mdke> mvirkkil, probably never
[12:46] <mvirkkil> :-/
[12:46] <mvirkkil> I guess this was prett pointelss then,
[12:46] <mdke> mvirkkil, there are many things which its not worth worrying about when the future of the wiki is a bit uncertain
[12:46] <mdke> mvirkkil, why pointless?
[12:47] <mvirkkil> Why convert all the pages to moin, when people will just create more pages in the other formats.
[12:47] <mvirkkil> An endless race.
[12:47] <mvirkkil> Doesn't sound very productive,.
[12:47] <mdke> moin is now default
[12:47] <mdke> there are some rare cases where other formats might be justifiable
[12:48] <mdke> but there is a suggestion that the wiki will be moved to another engine soon, so it is not worth worrying about some of the fine details
[12:48] <mvirkkil> I agree. But for 99% there isn't.
[12:48] <mvirkkil> mdke: MediaWiki?
[12:48] <mdke> v unlikely
[12:48] <mvirkkil> mdke: What engine then?
[12:48] <mdke> current idea is moinmoin i believe
[12:49] <mdke> they've been testing one here: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder
[12:49] <mvirkkil> I've used it.
[12:49] <mvirkkil> Can't fiugre out how to see any other changes besides the very last one.
[12:50] <mdke> hmm
[12:50] <mvirkkil> Other than that, I don't mind moinmoin. It has better support for the sntax than zwiki .
[12:50] <mdke> i'm happy with anything tbg
[12:50] <mdke> tbh
[12:51] <mdke> i'm just gonna wait and see what happens
[12:51] <mvirkkil> What are you working on atm, if you dont mind me asking?
[12:51] <mdke> me personally?
[12:52] <mvirkkil> Yeah.
[12:52] <mdke> i help out where i can think of something
[12:52] <mvirkkil> For Ubuntu that is. Or
[12:52] <mvirkkil> for the documentation project.
[12:52] <mdke> i have been helping with getting our documentation translated
[12:53] <mdke> and just doing some wiki gardening
[12:53] <mdke> and i help out in the italian team
[12:53] <mdke> hey you've read my page :)
[12:53] <mvirkkil> I guess everyone is doing some "wait and see" bc of udu.
[12:54] <mdke> *shrugs*
[12:54] <mdke> i have college, and lots of people have jobs
[12:55] <mdke> we've been restructuring our repository recently in order to start working on the breezy docs, hopefully work will resume as normal soon
[12:55] <mdke> its normal for the time after a release to be occupied with ideas about how to make the next release cycle more efficient/better
[01:05] <mvirkkil> Is there any way to have a link to http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IconApt.png without showing the image?
[01:07] <mdke> lemme se
[01:08] <mvirkkil> Found it
[01:08] <mdke> [http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IconApt.png iconapt.png]
[01:08] <mvirkkil> Yes :-)
[01:09] <mdke> stupid linking guide
[01:09] <mdke> have amended it
[01:09] <mdke> the icon it used as an example is down so it doesn't come up clearly on that page
[01:12] <mvirkkil> I added the images to WikiGardeningIcons.
[01:12] <mvirkkil> I'm planning to use it as a reference of images.
[01:13] <mdke> IconsPage might be a better one
[01:24] <mvirkkil> Oh.. Hadn't seen that before.
[01:25] <mdke> dunno how complete either of them are
[02:01] <jsgotangco> christ what a disaster for me
[02:01] <jsgotangco> i just got online today!
[02:01] <jsgotangco> grrr
[02:01] <mdke> its only the second day
[02:01] <mdke> chill dude
[02:01] <mdke> having fun?
[02:02] <jsgotangco> jeezz
[02:02] <jsgotangco> fabio just fixed some ad-hoc on his machine
[02:02] <jsgotangco> the network here is crazy atm
[02:02] <mdke> *laughs*
[02:02] <jsgotangco> i never even saw mary
[02:02] <jsgotangco> jeez
[02:03] <mdke> shame
[02:03] <jsgotangco> my 1st day was a disaster
[02:03] <mdke> well get along to the Lang Pack meeting today
[02:03] <jsgotangco> with carlos?
[02:03] <mdke> and wikitransition
[02:04] <jsgotangco> ill go there
[02:04] <mdke> and let us know what happens
[02:04] <jsgotangco> ill grab the sched first
[02:04] <jsgotangco> mdke, if i still get online jeez
[02:04] <jsgotangco> i hope they get the new aps soon
[02:04] <mdke> *grins*
[02:04] <jsgotangco> i should grab some win drivers just in case
[02:04] <jsgotangco> all my cards wont even work
[02:05] <mdke> tut tut
[02:05] <mdke> should have fixed the computer before going :p
[02:05] <jsgotangco> i forgot my driver cds!
[02:05] <mdke> it stopped working on route?
[02:06] <jsgotangco> yeah
[02:06] <mdke> :/
[02:06] <jsgotangco> well i got some stuff working now
[02:06] <jsgotangco> got 45 minutes to get the drivers ehe
[02:07] <mdke> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UnabashedCzechColonialism
[02:08] <mdke> l18n czech slovak wars
[02:09] <jsgotangco> the chinese thing was mentioned yesterday
[02:09] <jsgotangco> hmm
[02:09] <jsgotangco> i think mary is that lovely tall lady yesterday
[02:09] <jsgotangco> *shame*
[02:09] <mdke> she said she was in black
[02:09] <mdke> what chinese thing?
[02:13] <jsgotangco> hmm right that's her..she's quite a looker
[02:14] <jsgotangco> she didn't have a nametag so i didnt know
[02:14] <jsgotangco> DOH
[02:14] <mdke> *laughs*
[02:14] <mdke> gtg to bed
[02:14] <jsgotangco> ok
[02:14] <jsgotangco> talk to you later
[02:14] <mdke> i'm already having to ditch a lecture tomorrow morning
[02:14] <mdke> jsgotangco, have fun dude
[02:15] <mdke> oh jsgotangco one more thing
[02:16] <mdke> actually np
[02:16] <mdke> night
[02:16] <jsgotangco> what
[02:35] <mkde> bah
[02:35] <mkde> bed is for wimps
[02:35] <mkde> jsgotangco, the other meeting i thought might be interesting was the LocoTeam one
[02:35] <mkde> what do you reckon
[02:36] <jsgotangco> when is that
[02:36] <mkde> can't remember
[02:36] <jsgotangco> lemme check
[02:37] <jsgotangco> i see a locoteam process bof with mako and smurfix
[02:37] <mkde> thats the one
[02:37] <jsgotangco> wiki translation is this evening
[02:37] <jsgotangco> i mean
[02:37] <jsgotangco> wiki transition
[02:37] <mkde> heh
[02:37] <mkde> yes
[02:38] <mkde> what do you reckon of the loco team one?
[02:38] <jsgotangco> oh there's ubuntu world tour
[02:38] <jsgotangco> hmm
[02:38] <jsgotangco> ill check it out
[02:38] <jsgotangco> mako is there anyway
[02:38] <mkde> what is ubuntu world tour?
[02:38] <jsgotangco> hmm
[02:39] <jsgotangco> i think they plan to go to some stuff to promote ubuntu
[02:39] <jsgotangco> probably south east asia
[02:39] <jsgotangco> jdub told me about it days ago before UDU
[02:39] <mkde> pretty cool
[02:39] <jsgotangco> like a rock concert
[02:39] <jsgotangco> haha
[02:40] <mkde> :p
[02:41] <mkde> so how long are you gonna be there?
[03:46] <jsg_> mdke, wake up translationteam BOF is about to begin
[04:25] <mvirkkil> mdke: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ChangeTimezoneHowto has images that don't end in png.
[07:43] <froud> African Greetings
[09:02] <jsgotangco> doh
[09:12] <jsgotangco> hypatia, are you there?
[09:13] <hypatia> I'm at my keybaord.
[09:13] <hypatia> I'm not at UDU.
[09:13] <hypatia> I'm at work.
[09:13] <jsgotangco> i didnt see you!
[09:13] <jsgotangco> where you here yesterday?
[09:13] <hypatia> Yes.
[09:13] <jsgotangco> doh
[09:13] <hypatia> I thought you were going to be at RosettaOnePointZero?
[09:14] <hypatia> Anyway, I saw you, but I didn't get a chance to grab you :)
[09:14] <jsgotangco> eh?
[09:14] <jsgotangco> by chance are you the tall lady
[09:14] <hypatia> Yes.
[09:14] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[09:14] <jsgotangco> yes
[09:14] <jsgotangco> charmed
[09:14] <hypatia> :)
[09:14] <hypatia> I might be around for a little while on Saturday.
[09:15] <jsgotangco> that's great let's catch up on things by then
[09:15] <hypatia> OK.
[09:15] <jsgotangco> im sorry i wasn't able to join you on rosetta
[09:15] <hypatia> I'll let you know sometime Friday when I'll be there.
[09:15] <jsgotangco> ok
[09:15] <hypatia> Probably Saturday afternoon/evening.
[09:15] <jsgotangco> that would rock
[09:15] <hypatia> Great.
[09:15] <hypatia> OK, see you then.
[09:15] <hypatia> I'm going home now.
[09:15] <jsgotangco> ok
[10:17] <Burgundavia> salut
[10:18] <hypatia> hello
[10:24] <Burgundavia> how was UDU?
[10:26] <hypatia> it was pretty chaotic.
[10:26] <hypatia> They're trying to make an enormous amount of decisions in one week.
[10:26] <hypatia> all the core people are trying to attend four meetings simultaneously.
[10:27] <Burgundavia> indeed
[10:27] <Burgundavia> I noticed that
[10:46] <mdke> do they write up decisions taken?
[10:53] <mdke> wb
[10:58] <mdke> mvirkkil, will get on it
[11:22] <jsgotangco> hey hey
[11:22] <mdke> hiya
[11:22] <mdke> hows tricks
[11:22] <jsgotangco> tricks?
[11:22] <mdke> how are you?
[11:23] <jsgotangco> ohhh
[11:23] <jsgotangco> im ok
[11:23] <jsgotangco> im in an artwork bof
[11:23] <mdke> nice
[11:23] <mdke> what time is it there?
[11:23] <jsgotangco> hmmm 7:30PM
[11:24] <mdke> oh you're in DesktopArtwork?
[11:24] <jsgotangco> yeah
[11:24] <mdke> YOU DIDN'T GO TO WIKITRANSITION? *slaps*
[11:24] <mdke> :p
[11:24] <jsgotangco> DOH..i thought you had it arranged
[11:24] <mdke> me?
[11:24] <jsgotangco> we hates the wiki but i'll catch up for you
[11:25] <mdke> don't worry am only kidding
[11:25] <jsgotangco> well i think they're moving it back to moin
[11:26] <mdke> the udu wiki is not too bad
[11:26] <jsgotangco> sure...
[11:35] <mdke> what the hell are they doing putting me in bofs
[11:35] <mdke> there's also this one: RolloutGuide with froud and me (?!)
[11:35] <jsgotangco> well you are the most visible in wiki
[11:35] <jsgotangco> huh where is that?
[11:35] <jsgotangco> lemme check
[11:35] <mdke> i thought perhaps that scheduling bofs with people who are at the conference is maybe an idea
[11:35] <mdke> flattered tho i am
[11:36] <jsgotangco> where did you get that rollout guide
[11:36] <mdke> on the wiki
[11:36] <jsgotangco> today's sched?
[11:36] <mdke> no just did a search for me
[11:36] <mdke> to make sure i wasn't gonna be in any more
[11:37] <jsgotangco> ohhh its probably not scheduled yet
[11:37] <mdke> just saw the page, not the schedule
[11:38] <jsgotangco> its in low priority
[11:38] <jsgotangco> i dont think it;ll be scheduled
[11:38] <jsgotangco> probably
[11:38] <jsgotangco> i even did PDA doh
[11:38] <mdke> interesting idea
[11:38] <jsgotangco> ok i'll be back
[11:54] <mdke> that was fast
[11:55] <jsgotangco> we didnt have dinner yet
[11:55] <mdke> *grins*
[11:56] <mdke> what's the weather like over there?
[11:56] <jsgotangco> oh very nice around 22C
[11:57] <jsgotangco> a bit cloudy though
[11:57] <mdke> 11 here
[11:57] <mdke> :)
[11:57] <jsgotangco> doh in manila its like 35C
[11:57] <mdke> *grins*
[11:57] <mdke> too hot for me
[11:58] <jsgotangco> but i like sydney
[11:58] <jsgotangco> there are so many parks
[11:58] <jsgotangco> i notice people are crazy over jogging here
[11:58] <mdke> yeah australians are fit
[11:58] <mdke> hey you can go and watch cricket
[11:58] <jsgotangco> lol
[11:58] <mdke> :p
[11:59] <jsgotangco> the cable on this hotel kinda sucks though, you need to pay $2 to watch the news
[11:59] <mdke> *laughs*
[11:59] <jsgotangco> even though this conference is like a gulag, we're being fed well
[11:59] <mdke> whats for dinner
[11:59] <jsgotangco> im not so sure
[11:59] <jsgotangco> its always different
[11:59] <jsgotangco> our lunch was like 8 kinds of pizza
[12:00] <mdke> man i'm jealous
[12:00] <jsgotangco> i miss my rice though
[12:00] <mdke> sitting in this shitty london weather
[12:00] <jsgotangco> we're planning a big world tour
[12:00] <jsgotangco> we should be there
[12:00] <mdke> where?
[12:00] <jsgotangco> its still open
[12:00] <jsgotangco> the vatican perhaps
[12:00] <jsgotangco> haha
[12:01] <jsgotangco> but sabdfl wants a world tour or a UN Convention
[12:01] <jsgotangco> "Ubuntu Nations"
[12:01] <jsgotangco> ehe
[12:01] <mdke> boys with toys
[12:02] <jsgotangco> oh they're making the bof sched for tommorow
[12:02] <jsgotangco> that's what's holding dinner
[12:02] <jsgotangco> the master chief is busy
[12:02] <jsgotangco> hehe
[12:03] <mdke> jsgotangco even though this conference is like a gulag <-- explain?
[12:04] <jsgotangco> we start at 9am and we end like 10pm hehehe
[12:04] <jsgotangco> its fun
[12:04] <mdke> ah ic
[12:07] <jsgotangco> but like i said, you're never going to spend anything here because the food is no problem
[12:10] <mdke> cool
[12:10] <mdke> unless you go out late :)
[12:11] <jsgotangco> there's a goog pizza parlor nearby
[12:11] <jsgotangco> and king's cross is just around the corner
[12:11] <mdke> what is that?
[12:12] <jsgotangco> its an avenue/road something
[12:12] <mdke> there is a place called kings cross in london
[12:12] <jsgotangco> some part of it is the red light district
[12:12] <mdke> damn everyone copies our names
[12:12] <mdke> SAME IN LONDON!!
[12:12] <mdke> awesome
[12:12] <jsgotangco> i heard its a copycat
[12:12] <jsgotangco> hehe
[12:12] <jsgotangco> yeah
[12:12] <jsgotangco> i heard some guys says its a replica
[12:12] <jsgotangco> hehe
[12:12] <mdke> cool
[12:12] <mdke> kings cross in london isn't too bad tho
[12:12] <jsgotangco> its just nearby the hotel probably 2 blocks
[12:12] <mdke> its improving :)
[12:12] <mdke> jsgotangco, you stay away from there y'hear?
[12:13] <jsgotangco> no way
[12:13] <jsgotangco> i went there when i arrived
[12:13] <jsgotangco> its full of bums
[12:13] <mdke> *laughs*
[12:13] <jsgotangco> i found it by mistake
[12:14] <mdke> yeah yeah
[12:14] <mdke> course
[12:15] <jsgotangco> well ok i admit i looked for it
[12:15] <jsgotangco> but i crossed by a church
[12:15] <jsgotangco> it was sunday so i went to church first
[12:16] <mdke> even worse
[12:17] <mdke> right i'm going for a shower
[12:17] <mdke> cya later
[12:17] <jsgotangco> thats why  i didnt roam around
[12:17] <jsgotangco> ok see ya
[01:51] <jsgotangco> rock on!
[01:51] <froud> rock on what?
[01:52] <jsgotangco> oh ignore me i had a long day tee hee
[01:52] <froud> you sound pumped :-) good
[01:52] <jsgotangco> froud, how are things
[01:52] <froud> good
[01:52] <froud> calm
[01:52] <froud> clear
[01:52] <froud> collected
[01:53] <jsgotangco> i couldn't commit stuff right now my laptop is screwed i have to fix stuff
[01:53] <froud> which means what they hell shall I do first!
[01:53] <jsgotangco> i will to fix stuff later
[01:53] <froud> no problem, focus on UDU
[01:53] <jsgotangco> we just finished dinner sabdfl and the other guys are still doing the sched for tommorow
[01:54] <froud> he he they must work for their butter
[01:54] <jsgotangco> right there's a world tour in the works
[01:54] <froud> yep heard about it
[01:55] <froud> Ubuntu Nations
[01:55] <jsgotangco> we'll probably end up going to the vatican and giving the pope a copy
[01:55] <froud> yeah imagin ethe pope using Ubuntu
[01:55] <jsgotangco> froud, i just want to ask something
[01:55] <jsgotangco> on our svn
[01:55] <jsgotangco> we have this stuff on learn linux
[01:56] <froud> perhaps the docteam can work some subliminal messages in to the text
[01:56] <jsgotangco> you reckon this is LPI approved/compliant stuff
[01:56] <froud> yes
[01:56] <froud> No it does not comply, why do you ask?
[01:56] <jsgotangco> because there is a project for a live cd for that
[01:56] <jsgotangco> cbt thing
[01:56] <jsgotangco> that is LPI approved
[01:56] <froud> URL?
[01:57] <jsgotangco> i told them we can probably play around with existing stuff in side our svn just for proof of concept
[01:57] <froud> Send me the information I will inlcude it in http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/CertificationAndTraining
[01:57] <jsgotangco> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/TrainingLiveCd
[01:58] <jsgotangco> oh jbailey was there so its covered well
[01:58] <froud> Ah yes, that
[01:59] <froud> yes it is partly covered by my spec on http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/CertificationAndTraining
[01:59] <froud> Perhaps I should link the two
[01:59] <jsgotangco> perhaps
[02:00] <jsgotangco> i had a frickin' long day
[02:00] <jsgotangco> but it was fun
[02:00] <jsgotangco> at least i got my laptop running on the network
[02:00] <jsgotangco> yesterday i was so frustrated
[02:00] <jsgotangco> another thing
[02:00] <froud> He he and just as you get it working it is time pack and go :-)
[02:01] <froud> yes
[02:01] <jsgotangco> is our svn capable of doing stuff like version control when it comes to artwork
[02:01] <jsgotangco> icons and stuff
[02:01] <froud> yes
[02:01] <jsgotangco> i was in the artwork BOF a few hours ago
[02:01] <froud> I must go collect my son from school
[02:01] <jsgotangco> ok see ya
[02:02] <froud> send me mail with your thoughts and will go from there
[02:02] <jsgotangco> sure sure
[02:02] <jsgotangco> ok see ya i gotta go  upstairs as well
[02:28] <abelli> http://www.marzocca.net/linux/ubm.html
[07:43] <sm-work> hi mdke
[07:43] <sm-work> what's the convention for image filenames do you remember ?
[07:44] <sm-work> just add .png ?
[07:44] <sm-work> and hi everyone else
[07:45] <sm-work> does anyone know the license/reuse status/author of the new site skin ? not just the css but the actual page templates
[07:50] <sm-work> mdke: I've done that
[08:12] <mdke> sm-work, thanks mate
[08:13] <mdke> no idea about the new skin, but you can contact henrik about it
[08:13] <sm-work> thx, what's henrik's nick ?
[08:14] <mdke> umm
[08:14] <sm-work> np
[08:14] <mdke> one moment
[08:14] <sm-work> he's a server admin ?
[08:15] <mdke> hno73
[08:15] <mdke> yes i think so
[08:18] <sm-work> thanks
[08:18] <mdke> i can get his email address if you want it
[08:18] <mdke> its on my laptop
[11:08] <Simira> morning guys. Anyone awake yet?
[11:09] <mdke> hiya
[11:09] <Simira> hi there
[11:09] <mdke> sup?
[11:09] <Simira> are you involved in translation?
[11:10] <mdke> yes a little, how can i help?
[11:10] <Simira> we're having a LoCo-meeting on translation-rutines right now
[11:10] <mdke> online?
[11:10] <Simira> well, we were supposed to. Guess it's too late for many
[11:10] <mdke> chan?
[11:11] <Simira> I'm trying to figure out some rutines/system for coordinating and validating translations
[11:11] <Simira> #ubuntu-no
[11:11] <Simira> but it's in norwegian
[11:11] <mdke> oh a locospecific meeting :)
[11:11] <mdke> sorry
[11:11] <mdke> how can I help anyhow?
[11:12] <Simira> do you know if there's any such system/routines in other translation teams?
[11:12] <mdke> are you talking about translating in rosetta or other translations?
[11:12] <Simira> primarily in Rosetta
[11:13] <mdke> well i can only speak for the italian team: as yet there is very little method
[11:13] <Simira> the intention is to not do a lot of double work, and then be able to confirm some kind of validation from a second person befor the package is submitted
[11:14] <mdke> right, you're talking essentially not for translation but for checking translations right?
[11:14] <Simira> yes, that's the most important. And that someone can say "I'm working on this pkg right now"
[11:15] <mdke> well in terms of the first time something is translated, my opinion is that the more people working on a pkg, the better: it will get done quicker. But for _checking_ translations, that is a different matter entirely
[11:16] <mdke> the only two methods I can think of are a mailing list and a wiki page, in which people note what packages they are checking
[11:16] <mdke> eventually Rosetta will have a feature whereby people can mark pkgs as double checked
[11:16] <Simira> yes, we have a wiki on our pages, so I though about using it
[11:16] <mdke> i think a wiki page is the best option
[11:16] <mdke> better than a mailing list, because it is all in the same place
[11:17] <Simira> yes
[11:17] <mdke> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RosettaWishList
[11:17] <mdke> ^^ for requests :)
[11:18] <Simira> I know. half of the list is from me :p
[11:19] <Simira> ah, well, not that list
[11:19] <mdke> there is another list?
[11:19] <Simira> but the bug/request-list in Launchpad
[11:19] <mdke> ah
[11:20] <mdke> OMG
[11:20] <mdke> dudes, there is some mad activity going on in the wiki
[11:21] <mdke> i love the way they don't keep us in the loop
[11:22] <Simira> heh
[11:22] <Simira> it's too much to keep up!
[11:22] <sm> wow.. go henrik :)
[11:22] <mdke> he's in a frenzy
[11:23] <mdke> one gets the feeling he's bringing them in from the static part of the website
[11:24] <mdke> damn i gtg to bed
[11:24] <sm> I wonder what static part that is
[11:24] <sm> I can't find them
[11:25] <mdke> i think its not there anymore
[11:25] <mdke> used to be http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/helpcenter_view maybe?
[11:26] <sm> links not preserved at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToReportABug :/
[11:27] <sm> well, there are too many links on the web anyway
[11:28] <sm> I'm half serious.. a doc with fewer links can be more restful to read
[11:28] <mdke> broken links are bad for the heart tho
[11:28] <mdke> don't forget the old adage, he who smelt the broken links, has to fix them
[11:30] <sm> I don't like how the new skin hides links
[11:31] <mdke> hmm
[11:31] <mdke> i don't like the website full stop
[11:34] <mdke> sm, you heard they are moving the wiki?
[11:35] <sm> I heard something.. has there been an announcement ?
[11:35] <mdke> nah but it seems they are agreed on it, they've been discussing it at UDU, apparently
[11:35] <mdke> we should know more in the next few days
[11:36] <mdke> there was some suggestion that the docteam might be kept in the loop
[11:36] <mdke> *coughs*
[11:36] <mdke> we'll see
[11:37] <sm> indeed
[11:40] <mdke> i heard it will take an immense effort to migrate
[11:45] <mdke> Simira, what else are you guys thinking about the translations
[11:45] <Simira> mdke: that Rosetta is confusing ;p
[11:46] <mdke> *grins*
[11:46] <mdke> well keep filing bugs, requests
[11:46] <Simira> concerning to where it's syncronized and not, and what lies under hoary and what's under Rosetta only
[11:46] <Simira> mdke: well, I've filed a good handful in Malone
[11:46] <mdke> oh you wonder about its relationship with upstream packages?
[11:47] <Simira> that too
[11:47] <mdke> what did you mean by syncronization?
[11:47] <Simira> it has to be mentioned, I'm not well familiar with packages/upstreams and general routines around that
[11:47] <Simira> mdke: where is the po-files from, and how do we know they're the last update
[11:48] <mdke> i don't quite follow you: the po files are imported from upstream, and then you guys update em no?
[11:49] <Simira> mdke: yes, but the point is, in some cases there are newer files than those in upstream...
[11:49] <mdke> but where?
[11:49] <Simira> available other places, I mean....
[11:49] <mdke> in rosetta itself you mean?
[11:49] <Simira> yes
[11:49] <mdke> well i presume they are merged
[11:50] <mdke> but carlos will be able to tell you that in a second
[11:50] <Simira> yes, I'm waiting for him and daf to get on
[11:50] <mdke> ok
[11:50] <mdke> he is good with email too
[11:50] <mdke> generally a well organised guy
[11:51] <Simira> I know, it's just we'd like some answers on certain points right now
[11:53] <mdke> do you have a list of stuff? maybe I can help, i've been hammering carlos with questions recently
[11:53] <mdke> dunno anything about relationship with upstream tho


[05:29] <Rinchen> http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2197392/pirate-forced-windows
[06:37] <mrevell> Hey - I've put a story about UDS in the queue for Jono.
[06:37] <mrevell> Could someone take a look and edit/publish it please? :)
[09:46] <beuno> Rinchen: ping
[09:46] <Rinchen> beuno, pong
[09:47] <beuno> you have a minute?
[09:47] <Rinchen> for you? sure thing
[09:48] <beuno> heh, :D
[09:48] <beuno> I saw the Boston UDS has been announced
[09:48] <beuno> I was wondering what one could do to apply for sponsorship
[09:49] <beuno> I had talked this over with Corey, but he's on vacation now
[09:50] <beuno> I didn't want to ask earlier since I didn't have a US visa, and those are hard to come by here
[09:50] <beuno> but I went ahead a few weeks ago and applied, and got my approval in the mail today
[09:53] <Rinchen> There should be a wiki entry on the ubuntu wiki
[09:53] <Rinchen> You can put your name on the sponsorship page to be considered
[09:54] <beuno> ah, I'll look for that, thanks!      Any news on the Launchpad API/
[09:57] <beuno> (can't find anything on the wiki though)
[09:58] <Rinchen> it was an Ubuntu Live press notice so there won't be anything for a while yet from me
[09:59] <beuno> ah, right, I won't bug you for a while then
[09:59] <beuno> we've been working on getting some statistics from ubuntustats.com, so I hope to have a beta out the following week
[10:00] <Rinchen> sweet
[10:01] <beuno> what I can't get yet are automatic rosetta stats
[10:02] <beuno> there is that blueprint you helped me get approved, but it hasn't made it to any milestones yet


[19:21] <chunknuts> hello!
[19:26] <jjesse> hello
[19:34] <chunknuts> hi!
[19:46] <nixternal> hahaha, chunknuts I read your nick as chucknuts, and I have a buddy whose name is really Charles Nutts...I thought he got on IRC for a second and found my hiding spot
[19:54] <jjesse> hah you do need more sleep
[19:54] <jjesse> hey nixternal i was in chicago yesterday, nothing like 3 hour drive to Chi-town, 2 hour mtg and 4 hour drive home (due to trafffice)
[19:55] <jjesse> 7 hours in a car in one day
[19:55] <nixternal> I was sleeping all day yesterday :p
[19:55] <jjesse> nixternal also i will be in springfield monday and driving back tiuesday maybe we could meetup someplace?
[19:55] <jjesse> for lunch
[19:55] <nixternal> 7 hours? you drive to damn slow
[19:55] <nixternal> hrmm, you won't be anywhere near me that route
[19:55] <jjesse> bummer
[19:56] <jjesse> 196 was down to 1 lane and 45 mph for a long time
[19:56] <jjesse> to springfield according to gmaps is 5.3 hours