[12:06] <mdke> actually, gedit in general has had a few regressions, I may have to start using a real editor at some stage
[12:07] <Burgwork> mdke, bug pbor, gedit is quite interested in making it more than just a text editor
[12:08] <mdke> pbor?
[12:08] <mdke> ok
[12:08] <Burgwork> that is his irc nick on gimp.net
[12:08] <mdke> lack of syntax highlighting (bug) and crappy "go to line" (feature?) is annoying me right now
[12:13] <mdke_> can I send someone a patch for the serverguide? My svn password is indisposed
[12:17] <LaserJock> mdke_: I can if you want
[12:17] <mdke_> thanks dude
[12:17] <Burgwork> mdke_, I really wish we could change our svn passwords...
[12:17] <trappist> +1
[12:18] <mdke_> we might be tempted to make them less secure!
[12:18] <LaserJock> or let other people make changes when we can't remember ours ;-)
[12:18] <Burgwork> so secure I don't commit due to not being on the machine that has the password on it
[12:19] <trappist> LaserJock: :)
[12:19] <trappist> it's practically impossible to remember a secure-enough password.  especially with as many passwords as most people have.
[12:20] <trappist> we could use ssh + keys instead
[12:20] <LaserJock> that is why I kept my email so I can go look it up
[12:20] <mdke_> my fingers tend to remember my ssh key password
[12:20] <mdke_> but if I had to write it down, I'd struggle
[12:20] <mdke_> even though it's not very hard
[12:21] <mdke_> LaserJock, sent
[12:21] <trappist> mdke_: there's a motivation when that one pass(word|phrase) unlocks dozens of accounts
[12:21] <mdke_> yeah, i use it for gpg too
[12:21] <trappist> gack
[12:21] <mdke_> ssh
[12:22] <trappist> my gpg passphrase, I use ONLY for gpg
[12:22] <Burgwork> indeed
[12:22] <mdke_> anyway, postfix works now
[12:22] <trappist> and it contains a confession to a crime, lest anyone try to subpoena it.  no idea if that would hold up :)
[12:23] <crimsun> LaserJock: in vim, [esc] :%s/[ctrl+v] [ctrl+m] //g     (where you'd actually press esc, ctrl+v, and ctrl+m)
[12:23] <LaserJock> crimsun: ah, good to know
[12:24] <LaserJock> mdke_: this should go in dapper branch server guide, right?
[12:24] <mdke_> LaserJock, yes please
[12:26] <LaserJock> mdke_: r2874
[12:26] <mdke_> LaserJock, merci beaucoup. trappist, it's all yours
[02:41] <mdke> jeez, evolution is a lot uglier in dapper
[02:42] <Burgundavia> mdke: having fun? ;)
[02:42] <Burgundavia> evo needs to die
[02:43] <mdke> why the hell is the folder tree so heavily indented now?
[02:43] <mdke> maybe it's the font
[03:01] <Burgundavia> eds is nice
[03:01] <Burgundavia> dates, contacts and tinymail look cool
[03:02] <mdke> argh
[03:02] <mdke> and nautilus crashes all the time
[03:04] <mdke> gnome 2.14.1 had better be good :)
[03:04] <crimsun> don't we already have 2.14.1?
[03:05] <mdke> I'm still on 2.14.0, just installed from flight 6 and still upgrading
[03:05] <mdke> dunno if it's on its way in the upgrade
[03:05] <crimsun> ah. yeah, it went in yesterday.
[03:05] <mdke> ah cool
[03:06] <mdke> right now, if I try and drag and drop a file from a directory where I have read (not write) permission, it tries to move it, and says "permission denied"
[04:37] <robotgeek> hey KingBahamut , long time
[04:37] <KingBahamut> rg
[04:37] <KingBahamut> whats the know?
[04:38] <robotgeek> translations have begun
[04:56] <robotgeek> anyone notice the new lp look, very slick
[04:57] <crimsun> I'm undecided about the dropdowns, but I do like the new workflow
[04:57] <crimsun> namely there's now an option for filing a bug against some package of which you don't know the name
[04:58] <crimsun> I'm certainly finding it more intuitive than bugzilla, but perhaps that's just my addled brain
[05:00] <robotgeek> the dropdowns are slightly confusing, as they don't appear for all "tabs"
[07:09] <Madpilot> hi all
[07:10] <Burgundavia> salut Madpilot
[07:10] <dsas> hallo
[07:12] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: sick, but funny humour --> http://www.um.com.au/gallipoli.html
[07:13] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, oh boy. Does it actually run?
[07:13] <Burgundavia> not tried it
[07:14] <Burgundavia> but unlike lemmings, you get points by killing your men
[07:14] <Madpilot> well, of course. An authentic WW1 game should :P
[07:22] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: I am annoyed I am going to be missing LWNW
[07:22] <Madpilot> yeah, but you'll be making money and exploring exciting Oklahoma! :P
[07:22] <robotgeek> we should meet if you will coming around NY :)
[07:23] <Madpilot> robotgeek, I thought you were in Texas?
[07:23] <robotgeek> Madpilot: i moved to NJ
[07:23] <Burgundavia> not likely to be on the east coast for a while
[07:23] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, any of your sales territory in the eastern US?
[07:23] <Burgundavia> further east in the US is Michigan
[09:31] <highvoltage> ubuntu-docs just got upgraded, the version number is still 6.04. that's changing to 6.06, right.
[11:02] <mdke> highvoltage, it changes according to which month we're in
[11:05] <highvoltage> aaaaah
[11:06] <mdke> cool huh?
[11:06] <mdke> must have been dholbach's idea
[11:18] <mdke> Burgwork, you can open odt's in abiword?? awesome news, thanks
[11:58] <rob> hmm, Brian had a good point on the forums regarding the marketing team thread on the list
[11:58] <rob> gotta wonder why they didn't do that in the first place
[11:59] <mdke> yes, there's no reason to have another separate one
[11:59] <rob> yep
[01:01] <rob> just spoke to jenda, apparently the forums won't support them, they asked for that when they first started
[01:01] <rob> kind of stinks if you ask me
[01:02] <mdke> rob, maybe they didn't approach them in the right way
[01:03] <rob> maybe
[01:04] <rob> heh yeah
[01:28] <jenda> rob! that's not the way it is - that's just the way it started
[01:29] <jenda> anyway - I said we would consider it :)
[01:29] <rob> did you ask them or just set up your own forum, then ask?
[01:30] <jenda> I have a _lot_ on my shoulders studying and Lloyd fighting SWpats in Ireland - so give us time :)
[01:30] <mdke> it would be quite easy for the forums to add a "marketing" section, actually they probably have something similar already
[01:30] <rob> mdke, yes, and they might just have
[01:31] <rob> there is a Ubuntu art forum at least..
[01:31] <mdke> it's pretty tricky to find forums now with the new layout...
[01:31] <mdke> they definitely should add a marketing/advocacy forum
[01:32] <jenda> mdke, rob - please let us make a decision before we do anything :) We have a good forum worknig at the moment.
[01:32] <rob> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=78
[01:32] <rob> what the heck? Ubuntu User Guide forum?
[01:32] <mdke> rob, that's the old ubuntuguide.org forum
[01:34] <rob> apparently not: http://easylinux.info/wiki/Ubuntu_dapper
[01:34] <jenda> that is now replaced, I think by easylinux.info
[01:35] <rob> make the bad man stop!
[01:35] <mdke> rob, that's the new (updated) ubuntuguide
[01:37] <rob> yeah, and its just as locked down too (looks like a wiki, smells like a wiki, but won't let you sign up a new account!)
[01:37] <mdke> I think it should be open
[01:38] <rob> nope, need to be registered to edit, clicking on Create an account or login only gives you the option to log in
[01:38] <jenda> rob: it is a wiki, but AFAIK, closed a bit... it's kinda why I left the project :)
[01:39] <rob> I really need to get cracking on those ideas from a few weeks ago..
[02:20] <jenda> I'd like to point the Doc Team's attention to an idea i submitted in the MT (not mine originally): http://www.ubuntupeople.com/file/forums/viewtopic.php?t=58
[02:20] <jenda> it concerns shipit - a way to make it more effective.
[02:21] <jenda> by including... what else... a little bit of documentation.
[02:33] <mdke> jenda, posting to the mailing list is the best idea
[02:33] <jenda> k
[02:34] <mdke> someone is going to have to pay for it though
[02:34] <mdke> so include jane on the email
[02:37] <mdke> jenda, ^
[02:37] <jenda> Hmm... can you give me an address? I have little clue who jane is :)
[02:38] <mdke> erm...
[02:38] <mdke> you have a marketing team which has no contact with Canonical at all?
[02:38] <jenda> I'm not the contact :)
[02:38] <mdke> ok
[02:38] <jenda> And Lloyd Hardy would know more.
[02:38] <mdke> most marketing is done within Canonical, so I kinda assumed the group would be tightly integrated
[02:39] <mdke> it's<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:39] <jenda> In fact, I was thinking it would be better to present Canonical/shipit with a ready made booklet - don't worry, it wouldn't be wasted work even if they refuse.
[02:39] <jenda> thanks.
[04:58] <trappist> hey fellas, http://www.conglomerate.org/
[04:59] <mdke> hi trappist
[04:59] <trappist> hey mdke
[04:59] <trappist> I'm just now getting started on the serverguide :/
[05:00] <mdke> trappist, that's great!
[05:00] <trappist> wait, should I check out the new branch? what's going on with that?
[05:00] <mdke> yes, do everything in the branch
[05:01] <mdke> it's not so big, 40 meg or so
[05:01] <trappist> got a svn co url?
[05:01] <mdke> https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branches/dapper
[05:01] <trappist> thanks
[05:02] <trappist> 14M here
[05:02] <jjesse> just check out everything from https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos  :)
[05:02] <mdke> oh, even better
[05:02] <mdke> jjesse, heh, that takes a _long_ time.
[05:03] <mdke> i did it this morning, so frustrating to see all the crap we have hanging around
[05:03] <jjesse> mdke: grin i know
[05:03] <mdke> we should get rid of "vendor" and "branches/froud" i think
[05:03] <jjesse> agreed on the branches/froud
[05:20] <trappist> any of you guys have a non-dhcp ethernet device and want to share your /etc/network/interfaces with me to use as an example?
[05:21] <jjesse> sure hold on
[05:23] <jjesse> trappist: how does this look :http://pastebin.com/657790
[05:23] <trappist> jjesse: that'll get me started, thanks
[05:50] <LaserJock> hi jenda
[05:50] <jenda> hello... just blew a fuse - otherwise, I wasn't away :)
[05:57] <trappist> mdke: new network configuration section is committed
[05:57] <mdke> trappist, awesome!
[05:59] <mdke> trappist, ok, i tested postfix yesterday and it works, so what's next? do we want to try and get in his suggestions about referring to upstream documentation for every apache directive?
[05:59] <mdke> it might be a bit tricky, because sometimes there is more than one directive per paragraph
[06:00] <trappist> mdke: I think it could be made less intrusive by changing directive names to ulinks to their respective pages
[06:00] <mdke> trappist, that would work, if we introduce the idea in the introduction. nice idea
[06:01] <trappist> mdke: I've been getting my butt kicked at work this week.  I'm sorta pushing it, taking the time to do the network configuration just now.  I can see about getting to apache this evening, if you haven't done it by then.
[06:02] <mdke> trappist, I think I can do it.  It has occurred to me that a lot of long strings will be changed, some translation may be lost. Not sure whether it will be worth it.
[06:09] <trappist> mdke: I think that's a good call.  I think it's a great idea but not worth messing with or delaying the translators.
[06:10] <mdke> trappist, I'm going to look at the state of translations when LP comes back up, then we'll see
[06:10] <trappist> any word on why it's down?
[06:11] <mdke>  [16:59:51]  < Kinnison> DC appears to have dropped off the 'net
[06:12] <mdke> ah, back
[06:13] <mdke> trappist, hmm. some people have made a fair start on it, but nothing too big
[06:14] <trappist> my thinking is, we refer to the top level of the apache docs (iirc) and the items for individual config directives are easy to find from there, so it's a good idea, but I still dunno if it's worth a string freeze exception
[06:15] <mdke> let's leave it
[06:15] <mdke> is anything else not working in the guide?
[06:15] <trappist> I'd have to look back at those emails...
[06:16] <mdke> there was something brief on the firewall bit
[06:16] <trappist> yeah I'm looking at it now
[06:18] <trappist> I actually sort of disagree with him on his suggestion.  his rules cast a wider net, which is ok and potentially simpler, but it's also slightly less secure and incur unnecessary overhead by masquerading packets that don't need it
[06:19] <trappist> like packets originating from the firewall box
[06:20] <trappist> oh, actually it doesn't do that, nm.  I think I'll put it in the same category - good suggestion, but not an error correction or anything major enough for a string freeze exception.  that's my vote.
[06:20] <mdke> ok, fine
[06:21] <mdke> ok, everything else is fixed, I think
[06:21] <mdke> yes
[06:28] <trappist> great
[06:30] <trappist> mdke: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Listiquette <-- excellent
[06:33] <trappist> mdke: I've heard it suggested that when you remove text from an attributed quote, you should replace the removed text with something like "[snip] " to avoid confusion about context.  what do you think?
[06:36] <mdke> trappist, sure, that's good practice, I think
[08:43] <Burgwork> mdke, is there a way to force the logout of another user on the system
[08:43] <mdke> Burgwork, no idea dude, sorry
[08:44] <Burgwork> you must be able to do it, I just don't know how
[08:44] <mdke> yeah, maybe someone in #ubuntu will know
[08:45] <dsas> Burgwork: If they're ssh'd in you can kill the pid of their ssh session
[08:45] <Burgwork> logged in directly
[08:50] <trappist> could kill the pid of their shell
[09:04] <Burgwork> hmm
[09:13] <Burgwork> trappist, how would I go about finding that?
[09:14] <trappist> ps aux | grep username ?
[09:15] <Burgwork> can I kill their gnome-session?
[09:15] <trappist> oh, that kind of login...
[09:15] <trappist> he'll probably have lots of stuff running as him
[09:15] <dsas> ps -u$username would be the 'canonical' way to do that, I  believe.
[09:15] <Burgwork> yep
[09:16] <trappist> dsas: good call
[09:16] <trappist> Burgwork: it would probably be unsafe unless there's some kind of logout signal gnome would accept
[09:16] <trappist> and I don't know if there's such a thing
[09:16] <Burgwork> hmm, just did that
[09:17] <Burgwork> I don;t know that that killed xscreensaver, which is eating the cpu
[09:18] <trappist> if you're worried about xscreensaver, why not just kill xscreensaver?
[09:19] <Burgwork> hmm, now I don't know what is happening
[09:19] <Burgwork> cpu usage is spiked at 100%, with top claiming that this is X doing it.  It's a dark day when your goddam terminal crashes
[11:28] <mdke> LaserJock, http://mdke.org/images/package.png
[11:30] <LaserJock> mdke: that is soo cool
[11:30] <mdke> :)
[11:30] <LaserJock> mdke: do you use translate.sh to do that?
[11:30] <mdke> yes
[11:32] <theCore> LaserJock: hi
[11:33] <LaserJock> hi theCore
[11:33] <LaserJock> theCore: check out http://mdke.org/images/package.png
[11:34] <theCore> is it the Packaging Guide?
[11:34] <LaserJock> yep
[11:34] <theCore> in Japanese?
[11:34] <theCore> woah!
[11:35] <LaserJock> hmm, not sure my guess is Korean or Chinese
[11:35] <mdke> korean yeah
[11:35] <LaserJock> theCore: the details are at: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/ubuntu-docs/+pots/packagingguide/
[11:36] <theCore> they translate faster than we write :)
[11:36] <theCore> a lot faster
[11:36] <LaserJock> but there are a lot of translations to do as well
[11:37] <LaserJock> I talked to raphink (who is a core-dev and MOTU) about translations (he is doing French) and he said it was really hard
[11:37] <LaserJock> even though he knew the material
[11:38] <theCore> the guide or to translate?
[11:38] <LaserJock> translate
[11:38] <LaserJock> he also wrote some
[11:38] <theCore> fhew
[11:39] <LaserJock> theCore: can you translate?
[11:39] <theCore> yes I could
[11:39] <LaserJock> what languages do you know (English obviously)
[11:39] <theCore> but not now, I got a family supper today
[11:40] <theCore> French
[11:40] <LaserJock> ah, yes of course
[11:40] <LaserJock> I see mdke did some Italian :-)
[11:41] <LaserJock> no German though, which seems odd
[11:42] <theCore> I wish I could speak Italian ...
[11:42] <mdke> LaserJock, only like a string, was just testing something
[11:42] <mdke> ahhhh
[11:42] <LaserJock> mdke: actually 3 strings it looks like ;-)
[11:43] <LaserJock> heh, keep telling yourself that ;-)
[11:43] <mdke> aboutubuntu and aboutkubuntu aren't working, I've had to file a bug on xml2po
[11:43] <LaserJock> :(
[11:43] <mdke> everything else seems to work very nicely
[11:43] <theCore> Launchpad interface for translating is ugly
[11:43] <mdke> LaserJock, that's ok, the xml2po guy is a GOD, he will sort it quickly
[11:44] <mdke> cvs xml2po even has an "ubuntu mode" since I asked him about something that xml2po couldn't do
[11:45] <theCore> Hmm ... I can't translate, because I'm not an ``official'' translator.
[11:46] <LaserJock> mdke: wow, cool
[11:46] <LaserJock> theCore: I think you can
[11:46] <mdke> you can make suggestions
[11:46] <LaserJock> but it probably has to be review first or something like that
[11:48] <theCore> ok, I see
[11:50] <theCore> I must go now
[11:51] <theCore> cya later
[11:52] <LaserJock> mdke: I'd like to say thanks for all the leadership and help you have provided, you have really inspired me to be a part of the doc team :-)
[11:53] <mdke> LaserJock, aww. thanks, it's been great to have you on board!
[11:53] <mdke> this release cycle has been awesome for new contributors, it's been really exciting
[11:54] <mdke> LaserJock, in your case, you joining has meant an extra doc, so :)
[11:55] <LaserJock> well, I'm hoping to be able to help with all the docs for Dapper+1
[11:55] <mdke> that would be great
[11:56] <LaserJock> I'm not a writer and I have a lot to learn, but I really enjoy this team
[11:57] <mdke> that's made my day
[11:58] <LaserJock> well, seeing something I have written be translated before my eyes into so many languages and to have it go out to so many people
[11:58] <LaserJock> it's amazing and humbling at the same  time
[12:00] <mdke> yeah it is pretty cool. I hope lots of translations get done


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[02:26] <PriceChild> not /ignore
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[02:29] <PriceChild> ah moved to -offtopic
[02:29] <mc44> woo!
[02:46] <Tm_T> I'm now going to sign CoC
[02:47] <Tm_T> eh, I'm op, and no CoC signed
[02:47] <Tm_T> mc44: ha ha
[02:49] <Tm_T> mc44: how about you, signed?
[02:49] <mc44> Tm_T: ages ago. doesnt seem to stop me being an idiot though :)
[02:51] <Tm_T> true
[02:51] <Tm_T> aww, there's jokes in CoC
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[03:30] <ubotu> NotAmaranth called the ops in #ubuntuforums
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[06:16] <Tm_T> hmh, people doesn't like to turn off awaynicks
[06:18] <Madpilot> no - but persistent or irritating awaynicks or /away msgs will earn a kick, esp. from #ubuntu - it's got a high enough srollrate as is
[06:22] <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: #ubuntu+1 in question, actually
[06:23] <Madpilot> given that 7.04 is so close, I imagine it's busy there. Kick/ban/whatever - just keep telling people not to spam.
[06:23] <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: That's the thing - we need you to.
[06:24] <Madpilot> hmm... used to be that anyone with #ubuntu ops automatically had +1 & -offtopic ops too - no longer the case?
[06:25] <tonyyarusso> I got offtopic, but it didn't seem necessary for +1 I think.  Dunno, never really thought too hard about it.
[06:27] <Madpilot> just joined, but not really paying attention to the channel - ping me here if someone needs oply attention. And bug the mad Dutchman about getting ops there.
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[07:17] <ubotu> Toma- called the ops in #ubuntu
[07:19] <Madpilot> sorted. no fire.
[07:24] <Seveas> mad dutchman!?
[07:24] <Seveas> @lart Madpilot
[07:26] <Seveas> :p
[07:44] <Myrtti> /me wants to launch everybody using awaynicks to the solar orbit
[07:45] <tonyyarusso> Seveas: 'though he does have a point, so I'm a bit curious - why was it again that not everyone is op in +1?  Just not usually needed I'd assumed?
[07:45] <Seveas> tonyyarusso, administrative backlog and people don't ask for it
[07:45] <tonyyarusso> gotcha
[07:47] <Seveas> -ChanServ- [tonyyarusso]  has been added to the access list for #ubuntu+1 with level [10]
[07:47] <tonyyarusso> :)
[09:48] <Ilokaasu> "...and then join #ubuntu-ops and ask to be tested"
[09:49] <Ilokaasu> bang me plz :)
[09:49] <Tm_T> Ilokaasu: ?
[09:49] <Ilokaasu> Your router is affected by a bug. Please follow the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit to fix it, and then join #ubuntu-ops and ask to be tested".
[09:50] <Tm_T> I see
[09:50] <Tm_T> Ilokaasu: kahotaas
[09:50] <Ilokaasu> updatesin firmwaret
[09:51] <Tm_T> Ilokaasu: btw I have no idea what's that about :p
[09:57] <Ilokaasu> plz somebody do the DCC trick to me so I can see if the firmware update help or not
[09:57] <Tm_T> Ilokaasu: keep your pants up ;)
[09:59] <Madpilot> Ilokaasu, please join #madpilot - we don't run the tests in this channel
[10:00] <Tm_T> Madpilot: :)
[10:01] <Madpilot> Ilokaasu, you're clear - give me a minute to find your ban in #ubuntu
[10:03] <Madpilot> Ilokaasu, ban should be gone in #ubuntu now
[10:03] <Madpilot> thanks
[10:03] <Ilokaasu> thanks
[10:03] <Madpilot> no problem.
[10:04] <Ilokaasu> and i quess this is not place for me to be, so bye :P
[10:04] <Tm_T> shoosh!
[11:34] <filleokus> any op here
[11:35] <filleokus> my router had a exploit for dcc
[11:35] <filleokus> but i've fixed it
[11:35] <filleokus> can u let me in?
[11:36] <filleokus> Amaranth: Amaranth BearPerson elkbuntu fdoving gouki gnomefreak imbrandon jenda jrib LongPointyStick nalioth Mez
[11:37] <elkbuntu> filleokus, nickspamming is likely to get you into trouble
[11:37] <elkbuntu> s/nickspamming/pingspamming/
[11:37] <filleokus> ohm, well, i think this system sucks.
[11:37] <imbrandon> ...
[11:38] <elkbuntu> !patience | filleokus
[11:38] <ubotu> filleokus: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[11:39] <filleokus> sorry about that
[11:39] <filleokus> i just got so frustrated
[11:39] <elkbuntu> someone who knows the testing trick will get to you soon
[11:39] <filleokus> again sorry, i know u guys do a great job
[11:39] <filleokus> thanx elkbuntu
[11:40] <Hobbsee> mate...two minutes?
[11:41] <Hobbsee> filleokus: you should be able to join now
[11:41] <filleokus> np, i have all the time in the world
[11:41] <filleokus> thanx again everyone
[11:41] <filleokus> !
[01:49] <Mez> Amaranth, everything ok?
[02:52] <Amaranth> Mez: Looks like it's all working great
[02:53] <Mez> yeah, Amaranth I just managed to get the zone transfers working
[02:53] <Amaranth> hmm
[02:53] <Amaranth> how do i make dev.realistanew.com work again?
[02:54] <Mez> login to your webmin, and add a new virtual server (under that choose subdomain of realistanew.com at the top)
[02:59] <crimsun> Would a kind staffer please reset my nickserv password?
[03:00] <Mez> crimsun, did you not set an email address?
[03:00] <crimsun> I did
[03:01] <Mez> isnt there a sendpass command?
[03:01] <crimsun> I simply need the pass reset, since I no longer have the previous email from last year-ish resetting my pass
[03:01] <Mez> ah
[03:06] <jenda> Mez: no setpass command
[03:06] <jenda> hey, Hobbsee :)
[03:06] <Hobbsee> heya
[03:06] <jenda> crimsun: you have no email adress set :|
[03:07] <crimsun> jenda: err, there was one set last time it was reset...
[03:07] <crimsun> and I haven't unset it or the like
[03:07] <crimsun> it->my nickserv pass
[03:08] <jenda> f'course... but there is no email there :(
[03:08] <jenda> I'll think of some way to find out if it's really you ;)
[03:09] <crimsun> my gpg pubkey is on lp/~crimsun
[03:13] <jenda> crimsun: why don't you have your ubuntu/member cloak?
[03:13] <jenda> (it can be combined with the pdpc one)
[03:14] <crimsun> jenda: because I never bothered.
[03:15] <jenda> hehe
[03:15] <jenda> ok :)
[03:15] <jenda> Check your mail.
[03:15] <jenda> Wolud you like the cloak?
[03:15] <jenda> (ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.silver.crimsun)
[03:18] <crimsun> jenda: "Here we go again"
[03:19] <crimsun> jenda: and no, a cloak addition will not be necessary, but thank you.
[03:19] <jenda> oki :)
[03:20] <Mez> Amaranth, you got that setup yet ?
[04:01] <atoponce> i don't get it
[04:01] <Pici> hm?
[04:01] <atoponce> what is so hard about ejecting the cd
[04:01] <Pici> I think its the language barrier here.
[04:01] <atoponce> he wants to use the physical cdrom on another computer
[04:02] <atoponce> so, i tell him to physically remove it, and he says 'no'
[04:02] <atoponce> *sigh*
[04:05] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, i'm suspecting #ubuntu-lts or something might be warranted though eventually
[04:05] <Pici> Hobbsee: You mean #ubuntu- channels?
[04:05] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: that's an idea
[04:05] <Hobbsee> Pici: yeah.  #ubuntu
[04:05] <Hobbsee> #ubuntu+1 will be gutsy
[04:06] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, the chan exists already, but i guess locked and fwd'd by dennis
[04:06] <Hobbsee> ahh
[04:06] <Hobbsee> smart
[04:07] <Pici> Perhaps it would be a good idea to make #ubuntu-$codename channels, distribute those as 'official' and then forward as the load shifts from one release to the next
[04:08] <Hobbsee> preferably not - they keep changing, and it's hard to get at what's already released
[04:09] <Pici> Just an idea ;)
[04:09] <Hobbsee> but a decent one, yes
[04:09] <atoponce> #ubuntu-1
[04:10] <Hobbsee> atoponce: ?
[04:10] <Hobbsee> oh
[04:10] <atoponce> for helping shift the load
[04:11] <atoponce> :)
[04:13] <atoponce> the -lts channel is a good idea, actually
[04:14] <atoponce> i suspect many are running dapper on their servers
[04:14] <atoponce> as i am
[04:18] <effie_jayx> I still run it on my desktop too :D
[04:19] <atoponce> when feisty hits stable, though, i can't imagine that a lot will be running edgy...
[04:21] <effie_jayx> spmetimes it's hard on the new people joining Ubuntu and FOSS in general
[04:21] <effie_jayx> they get their systems up and running wih help of friends
[04:22] <effie_jayx> then 3 months pass and they feel like they should move
[04:31] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: prepare to repeat yourself lots
[04:31] <gnomefreak> i know i thought about putting it in topic but too lazy
[04:34] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, which kernel is borked?
[04:34] <PriceChild> 2.6.20-14.23
[04:35] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: the latest feisty one (was put in yesterday)
[04:35] <Hobbsee> !breakage | elkbuntu
[04:35] <ubotu> elkbuntu: see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/82314 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/106063  - A fix will be published Real Soon Now
[04:35] <elkbuntu> it was already known?!
[04:35] <GazzaK> whats b0rked about it?
[04:36] <gnomefreak> ata or ati or something like that
[04:36] <elkbuntu> ooh... so this is our 'nearly release time' ati borkage. rightio
[04:37] <gnomefreak> i dont remember the full notice but im sure i will be getting another email on it soon
[04:37] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: exactly
[04:37] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: some fix borked something else, which borked something else, etc.
[04:38] <elkbuntu> is it with the supplied ati driver, the one from the website, envy or what?
[04:38] <Hobbsee> i hought it was sata/pata drives or something
[04:38] <Hobbsee> on that bug report
[04:39] <gnomefreak> its on the devel-announment ml
[04:58] <mc44> its ata not ati
[05:00] <gnomefreak> thats what i said either ata or ati i couldnt remember :(
[05:01] <elkbuntu> that just makes it all the more cute
[05:02] <mc44> yeah, i can see the release being pushed back if its not all super soonish
[05:04] <elkbuntu> that'd be great. last week: "Feisty's going so great we're going to bump the release date up! :D" .. this week: "Stupid kernel. Release date's pushed back to the original release date :("
[05:07] <elkbuntu> wasnt this joker asking in #ubuntu before? --> <MarcN> I just tried to update from us.archive.ubuntu.com and get a 403 forbidden tryin to get linux-image-2.6.20-14-generica_2.6.20-14.23_i386.deb
[05:08] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: ugh.  tlel him it's deliberate
[05:09] <elkbuntu> i think he's finally got it
[05:09] <elkbuntu> he asked for the topic to be updated regarding it, hehe
[05:10] <Hobbsee> ffs.  done.
[05:10] <mc44> Hobbsee: set up an autoban script for anyone mentioning kernels :)
[05:11] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:11] <elkbuntu> yeah. keep running
[05:13] <Hobbsee> oh ffs....really...
[05:13] <Hobbsee> can i just keep responding stupidly?
[05:13] <Hobbsee> "stupid questions deserve stuipd answers"
[05:15] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, change your nick to 'feistybroken_stfu' :
[05:15] <GazzaK> LOL
[05:15] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:16] <mc44> there is a typo on the chanserv message in +1 btw
[05:16] <elkbuntu> shes ops in there, and the first thing idiots do is look for an op to harass
[05:16] <GazzaK> where?
[05:16] <mc44> Escpecially
[05:17] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: :P
[05:17] <Hobbsee> mc44: ah, thanks
[05:19] <mc44> Hobbsee: in the chanserv on join message
[05:19] <Hobbsee> mc44: there isnt one
[05:19] <Hobbsee> at least, not one that i set
[05:20] <mc44> it comes up when I join. not really important anyway :)
[05:24] <PriceChild> Hobbsee, maybe you should deop and we just point people to mc44 for all future questions...
[05:24] <gnomefreak> that is just ignorant. complain about the error message but dont complain abou tthe breakage
[05:25] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: haha
[05:25] <mc44> I can take them
[05:25] <mc44> their only users
[05:25] <mc44> whats the worst that could happen
[05:25] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: unfortunately, they're mostly being morons, seeing as this seems to repeat every 5 min or so
[05:25] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: i thought about starting to mute them but its not worth the time
[05:26] <PriceChild> mc44, woo you handled your first, now repeat for a few hours :)
[05:26] <mc44> \o/
[05:26] <gnomefreak> just send them to /topic
[05:26] <mc44> if GazzaK starts causing trouble Im going to kick him :p
[05:27] <gnomefreak> no need in repeating they wouldnt understand if you told them what in kernel was broken so no need to explain it
[05:28] <GazzaK> OMG who gave HIM zee op powas?
[05:29] <mc44> Im on kernel patrol!
[05:29] <GazzaK> madness :p
[05:30] <GazzaK> oi
[05:31] <gnomefreak> lol
[05:31] <gnomefreak> gives even
[05:31] <GazzaK> yeah right
[05:31] <GazzaK> it'll never happen
[05:32] <GazzaK> seveas would leave :p
[05:33] <GazzaK> it's odd though, I reinstalled this morning, as I was bored, and it works fine
[05:34] <GazzaK> too temping gnomefreak
[05:34] <apokryphos> reinstalling always appears like a good idea but it's a pain after
[05:34] <gnomefreak> GazzaK: i didnt do it
[05:34] <gnomefreak> ;)
[05:34] <apokryphos> still, I guess the configuration part can be fun sometimes
[05:34] <GazzaK> apokryphos, I tried an install of opensuse, got bored waiting for it to install
[05:34] <apokryphos> depends on what you have to do
[05:35] <apokryphos> GazzaK: doesn't take that long. Old machine?
[05:35] <GazzaK> so this breakage cannot effect all then?
[05:35] <GazzaK> apokryphos, no, it was just a internet install, but was taking soooooo long
[05:35] <GazzaK> so I powered off and re did uby
[05:36] <apokryphos> GazzaK: slow mirror then?
[05:36] <apokryphos> I just recommend using the torrent or metalinks to grab the dvd, generally
[05:36] <GazzaK> yeah, must be.  t'was the kent one
[05:36] <GazzaK> but anyways, I like ubuntu too much
[05:36] <GazzaK> I might go play on the PC upstairs with opensuse though
[05:37] <elkbuntu> to reaffirm your ubuntu love?
[05:37] <GazzaK> erm
[05:38] <GazzaK> define love?
[05:38] <GazzaK> :p
[05:38] <elkbuntu> !love
[05:38] <ubotu> Love is like racing across the frozen tundra on a snowmobile which flips over, trapping you underneath. At night, the ice-weasels come.
[05:38] <GazzaK> yeah, like that
[05:38] <GazzaK> pretty weasel
[05:38] <apokryphos> love is a smoke made with the fume of sighs ;)
[05:39] <mc44> aww
[05:41] <Pici> Great Matt Groening quote there ^^
[05:45] <Pici> Suggestion from someone in #ubuntu is to say something about the channel being english only in the topic
[05:45] <mc44> Pici: in how many lanugages? :p
[05:46] <Pici> mc44: A breif version of...
[05:46] <Hobbsee> Pici: it's in the FAQ.
[05:46] <Pici> !english
[05:46] <ubotu> The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are english only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[05:46] <Pici> Hobbsee: I told the person that no one reads the topic anyway...
[05:46] <Hobbsee> Pici: *grin*
[05:47] <Hobbsee> on #uubntu+
[05:47] <Hobbsee> 1
[05:47] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, walk away from the computer and take a break or something
[05:48] <elkbuntu> or sleep, since it's almost 2am
[05:48] <Pici> The problem is, as soon as you join (at least in irssi), the listing of all the usernames comes in and the topic scrolls out
[05:48] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: that's what i should do.   i have to work tomorrow :(
[05:48] <GazzaK> Hobbsee, breath....
[05:48] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, ninite then dear
[05:48] <Pici> Hobbsee: Goodnight!
[05:48] <Hobbsee> that requires movement
[05:49] <GazzaK> or lots of alcohol
[06:40] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, sumigamer said: ubotu, then what is XGL??
[06:48] <elkbuntu> bedtime. night all.
[06:49] <mc44> could someone kick ophiobot
[06:49] <mc44> from -offtopuic?
[06:49] <mc44> ohiobot rather
[07:20] <ubotu> f0gles called the ops in #kubuntu
[07:20] <ubotu> jhutchins called the ops in #kubuntu
[07:21] <ubotu> f0gles called the ops in #kubuntu
[07:25] <gnomefreak> mc44: while your oped in +1 keep eye out for f0gles please
[07:25] <mc44> gnomefreak: np
[07:25] <gnomefreak> y
[07:25] <gnomefreak> ty
[07:29] <gnomefreak> mc44: its not you but every channel went offtopic at the same time #ubuntu +1 #kubuntu
[07:29] <mc44> haha
[07:33] <tonyyarusso> mc44: Do you know how to hilight a user if you want to see every line they say?
[07:34] <PriceChild> I'm going to give a last warning to roland_ about offtopic chatter and adhering to the CoC in #ubuntu...
[07:34] <mc44> tonyyarusso: normal highlights dont work?
[07:34] <Pici> PriceChild: I'm suprised you havent removed him yet
[07:34] <PriceChild> Pici, yeah.... but last resort kind of thing
[07:35] <tonyyarusso> mc44: Default hilights are usually on words, you can also set them for nicks / nickmasks, and even make it so you get a hilight when they join or part too.
[07:35] <Pici> I know ;)
[07:36] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: where is he?"
  In irssi it's things like /hilight -mask *!*@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso (or /help hilight for details)
[07:40] <Tm_T> :)
[07:40] <Tm_T> irssi <3
[07:40] <gnomefreak> they really are working thier butts off on the kernel thing
[07:41] <mc44> there was a second bug
[07:41] <gnomefreak> all morning its been that way
[07:41] <Tm_T> hmm
[07:41] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: Who's going to need a pat on the back and a cookie later?
[07:41] <Tm_T> 0:40  20:40:52 up 13 days, 22:36, 156 users,  load average: 1.01, 0.53, 0.36 <- almost like counter has been gone around
[07:41] <gnomefreak> all of them pitti, cjwatson, benc and a few others
[07:42] <tonyyarusso> noted
[07:43] <gnomefreak> there are about 5 others working on it
[07:43] <mc44> it wouldnt be a release if the kernel didnt go horribly wrong a week before hand
[07:44] <tonyyarusso> lol, true
[07:44] <gnomefreak> feisty has been fairly smooth the whole time
[07:44] <gnomefreak> this is the biggest showstopper ive seen in feisty devel
[07:47] <Tm_T> hm, evil
[07:47] <fdoving> about time.
[07:47] <fdoving> it's not friday 13th for nothing.
[07:47] <gnomefreak> :)
[07:48] <gnomefreak> ok im gone for a bit.
[07:48] <tonyyarusso> So I should not reboot today, basically...:P
[07:48] <Pici> or dont dist-upgrade
[07:49] <Pici> Unless its too late
[07:49] <tonyyarusso> I did last night (like 12 hours ago) - how long has this been going on?
[07:50] <Tm_T> tonyyarusso: well, effected package is 2.6.20-14.23 I think
[07:51] <Tm_T> tonyyarusso: and fix released :)
[07:51] <tonyyarusso> Too late
[07:51] <tonyyarusso> Tm_T: Wait, really?
[07:51] <Tm_T> tonyyarusso: yes
[07:53] <tonyyarusso> same Candidate here still - what's your source?
[07:53] <Tm_T> my mailbox
[07:53] <Tm_T> ;)
[07:53] <Tm_T> that means it might or might not be yet built
[07:54] <tonyyarusso> Oh, -changes list?  Ya, give it 20 minutes to two hours.
[07:54] <Tm_T> yup
[07:54] <Tm_T> tonyyarusso: well, it's some hours ago
[07:55] <mc44> there was a second bug they were fixing, dont know if they will release both kernels
[07:55] <Pici> The fix will be version 14.24?
[07:55] <mc44> no 15
[07:55] <Tm_T> I assume
[07:55] <Tm_T> mc44: ?
[07:56] <Tm_T> ah yes
[07:56] <Pici> Why 15? If you dont mind me asking?   I partially recall something about odd numbered versions, but my brain is fuzzy at the moment./
[07:56] <mc44> abi bump
[07:57] <Pici> abi?
[07:57] <mc44> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_binary_interface
[07:57] <Tm_T> application binary interface or what it was, binary compatibility
[07:58] <Tm_T> mc44: new kernel has been uploaded, what, 4 hours ago?
[07:58] <mc44> Tm_T: no there is a newer one
[07:58] <Pici> aka, there was another fix, they bumped up the version.
[07:58] <Tm_T> mc44: hm?
[07:58] <mc44> fixing a sata_nv problem
[07:58] <mc44> if i understand correctly
[07:59] <Tm_T> libata: Re-add the tracking of n_sectors_boot
[07:59] <Tm_T> hmm, so not that one
[08:00] <mc44> right that was the main problem with 14
[08:00] <Tm_T> and that was uploaded 4 hours ago
[08:01] <Tm_T> bah, for someone who is used to get stuff fro svn, this is slow ;-P
[08:06] <Tm_T> mc44: do I get launchpad-karma if I cause some panic?
[08:06] <mc44> hehe
[08:23] <Tm_T> come on come on come on...
[08:24] <mc44> @pont Tm_T
[08:24] <mc44> @pony Tm_T
[08:24] <mc44> rather
[08:24] <ubotu> No Tm_T can't have a pony, mc44!
[08:24] <Tm_T> :)
[08:25] <Tm_T> come on come on come on...
[08:25] <Tm_T> oh sloooooooooow
[08:25] <Tm_T> crap, only partially now
[08:25] <Tm_T> anyway, looks like new kernel is crawling to repositories
[08:26] <Tm_T> first binary package installed :)
[08:27] <ubotu> cables called the ops in #ubuntu
[08:27] <Myrtti> I want a... a... polar bear!
[08:28] <mc44> knute!
[08:28] <Tm_T> Myrtti: hmm, I'm as pale, is that enough?
[08:28] <Myrtti> are you hairy?
[08:28] <Tm_T> very
[08:28] <Myrtti> hmmm
[08:29] <Tm_T> deal, where I first go eat children?
[08:29] <Tm_T> whops, wrong contract
[08:29] <Myrtti> you don't look that hairy on irc.fi
[08:29] <Tm_T> Myrtti: it's hidden
[08:29] <Tm_T> hair that is
[08:30] <Myrtti> mmm I don't know
[08:30] <Myrtti> I think I'll stick to my current teddy bear for now
[08:30] <Tm_T> you should :)
[08:30] <Myrtti> we'll see
[08:31] <mc44> http://www.estadao.com.br/banco/img/livre/2007/03/2352007032318335015ursinho31.jpg
[08:33] <Tm_T> mc44: where did you get my pic?
[08:33] <mc44> :D
[08:33] <Tm_T> aww, not even pants, oh come on!
[08:34] <Tm_T> that wasn't fair
[08:34] <mc44> oh ubuntu has turned into a fun little argument
[08:34] <Pici> Fun? Little?
[08:35] <PriceChild> cables, we know ;)
[08:35] <cables> PriceChild ?
[08:35] <cables> PriceChild: sorry, nevermind
[08:35] <PriceChild> Hehe nothing :)
[08:36] <cables> PriceChild: I could have sworn you said something to me on this channel... but I'm new to IRSSI. I just wanted to see if there was any discussion going on in here about you-know-who
[08:36] <PriceChild> Not discussing yet
[08:36] <cables> ok :)
[08:36] <PriceChild> I want to ban him for trolling
[08:37] <cables> I'll quit trying to eavesdrop on the ops
[08:37] <cables> PriceChild: has he been here before?_
[08:38] <tonyyarusso> PriceChild beat me to the other one by _nanoseconds_, I swear
[08:38] <PriceChild> hehe :)
[08:40] <ikonia> PriceChild: is this guy trolling ?
[08:40] <PriceChild> tonyyarusso, one more and I'm just going to remove him....
[08:40] <mc44> as long as he doesnt go into #ubuntu+1 :p
[08:41] <cables> He denied using Feisty, said he was using Edgy... lying = troll?
[08:41] <tonyyarusso> mc44: Consider yourself heads-upped
[08:42] <tonyyarusso> cables: Or just nuts
[08:42] <PriceChild> haha
[08:42] <PriceChild> Nah I think he's done for a while now
[08:42] <cables> tonyyarusso: he then said he pulled down the later version of xchat-g himself, which is more lying... not nuts, just ass.
[08:42] <cables> omfg
[08:42] <cables> that sounded
[08:42] <cables> really
[08:42] <cables> wrong
[08:42] <cables> sorry, didn't mean it that way
[08:43] <tonyyarusso> PriceChild: I'm going to go enjoy the nice day for once, so if he returns (and behaviour is the same) I vote a +b ...!#ubuntu+1 in #ubuntu and make it mc44's problem ;)
[08:45] <ikonia> why does no one read the topics
[08:45] <tonyyarusso> ikonia: b/c irssi does /names _after_ /topic, so it scrolls off the screen :(
[08:46] <ikonia> I know, but I normally do "/topic" just to check out motd or the rules
[08:46] <PriceChild> tonyyarusso, if he comes back I don't think I'll set the forward :P
[08:46] <ikonia> or faq links etc
[08:46] <tonyyarusso> PriceChild: 'k
[08:47] <Seveas> ikonia, you're far too sane for IRC :)
[08:47] <ikonia> most people I know do it
[08:47] <ikonia> as some of the channels have odd names, and some of them have strict rules
[08:47] <mc44> wow, you obviously dont know enough internet people :p
[08:47] <ikonia> always best to check
[08:48] <ikonia> perhaps I mix with the wrong crowds
[08:52] <Seveas> no, we do that :)
[08:52] <Seveas> #ubuntu is the wrong crowd when it comes to internet ethics. Mostly due to inexperience
[08:52] <ikonia> probably
[08:53] <mc44> and sheer numbers
[08:53] <ikonia> would a firmer hand on that not benifit the community - I appriciate ubuntu is the friendly distro though
[08:58] <PriceChild> kevlar's back :(
[09:00] <PriceChild> Seveas, its a kernel problem, the package was pulled while its fixed, details in +!
[09:00] <Seveas> ok :)
[09:01] <PriceChild> He's been basically trolling, refusing to go to #ubuntu+1 for support, CAPS, etc. etc.
[09:01] <ikonia> just ban him
[09:01] <ikonia> don't ruin the channel again
[09:02] <Pici> Banforward him to #ubuntu+1?  :D
[09:03] <Seveas> :)
[09:03] <Seveas> well, when was the update?
[09:03] <Seveas> I did do an update early this morning
[09:04] <Seveas> but I rebooted, so that's not it
[09:04] <mc44> its hw specific
[09:04] <ikonia> Seveas: I think I may love you
[09:04] <Seveas> don't
[09:04] <Seveas> I'm engaged already
[09:04] <ikonia> ha ha ha
[09:05] <Pici> Seveas: Dont worry, hes fixed.
[09:05] <ikonia> Pici: thanks !
[09:06] <mc44> ##unavailable :D
[09:51] <Tm_T> ok, updated kernel is there?
[09:52] <PriceChild> I don't see it yet
[09:53] <Tm_T> hmmh
[09:53] <Tm_T> I got first bits
[09:53] <Tm_T> linux-restricted-modules-common <IP_ADDRESS>-15.20
[09:53] <Tm_T> :)
[09:54] <ubotu> cables called the ops in #ubuntu
[09:54] <jenda> ompaul: damn you're fast
[09:54] <ompaul> hehe
[10:00] <Myrtti> /me sits and waits
[10:16] <PriceChild> hmmm i'm being too generous in #ubuntu... need to find a balance :)
[10:17] <Seveas> balances are best found with a large poking device
[10:18] <PriceChild> :)
[10:18] <GazzaK> just +m the channel and go to the pub?
[10:18] <GazzaK> it's Friday \o/
[10:19] <ompaul> haha
[10:19] <Seveas> ROFL
[10:19] <Seveas> "This channel will be taken down temporarily for maintenance of the ops. *HIC*"
[10:19] <GazzaK> it was like "go home you losers I want beer"
[10:19] <PriceChild> rofl rofl
[10:19] <GazzaK> am I a bad sysadmin?
[10:19] <Seveas> yes
[10:19] <GazzaK> but they deserved it
[10:20] <Seveas> you're stil bad
[10:20] <Seveas> you should have taken it down during lunch break and blame it on them
[10:20] <GazzaK> (honestly, it's easter, we have 1/4 staff in)
[10:20] <Seveas> and don't bring it back up
[10:20] <GazzaK> Seveas, I was at the pub then
[10:20] <GazzaK> 12->2pm @ pub :-D
[10:20] <Seveas> you can't log in from the pub?
[10:21] <GazzaK> Seveas, I'm not doing that, i'd delete everything
[10:21] <Seveas> we set up wifi in the pub across the street so we could log in in case of emergencies
[10:21] <GazzaK> lol
[10:21] <Seveas> it's 30 meters walking, but then you'd miss the beer
[10:21] <GazzaK> yeah
[10:21] <GazzaK> Seveas, I've decided to stay in the UK for a bit btw
[10:22] <Seveas> good thing. Amsterdam is scary enough without you :)
[10:22] <GazzaK> hehe, thanks
[10:23] <Myrtti> wth
[10:23] <Seveas> Myrtti, quoi?
[10:24] <Myrtti> just replaced fi with us in my sources.list and upgraded and I'm seeing strange stuff, but anyway, time to boot and see if ubuntu works or not
[10:26] <Seveas> Myrtti, DON'T REBOOT
[10:27] <Seveas> see #ubuntu+1 topic
 ok, so the current state is:
 we're all groovy.
 :)
 -15.24 is in the archive and built everywhere
 except possibly ia64, and if not that's on its way
 -15.24 should work for everyone except people using sata_nv
 for sata_nv, -15.25 has been uploaded
[10:28] <Seveas> (from -devel)
[10:29] <mc44> i dont the meta package has been uploaded yet
[10:30] <Myrtti> I did and didn't work
[10:31] <Myrtti> but it really doesn't matter because I'm all nicely tired and a teenyweeny bit tipsy
[10:34] <ubotu> Pelo called the ops in #ubuntu
[10:38] <ubotu> eth01 called the ops in #ubuntu
[10:46] <mc44> woo meta package is there too now
[10:57] <GazzaK> mc44, rebooted yet? :p
[10:57] <mc44> GazzaK: na :p
[10:58] <GazzaK> still playing op in +1 then
[10:58] <mc44> GazzaK: I changed the topic!
[10:59] <GazzaK> well done :p
[11:20] <Myrtti> yay it works


[21:49] <gerben> Hello, I have recoverd 20 PCs from my employer and will set up a computer room in a primary school. What would be the best way to set up the machines?
[21:51] <gerben> Nice features would be: installing extra software on all machines in one go, user initiated recovery or reinstall when something is broken, ...
[21:58] <gerben> Things that come to mind are read-only filesystems, puppet/chef/..., nfs mounting part of the system, scripts that install stuff on all machines, ...
[21:58] <gerben> I have some experience runing linux machines, but in this case the users are less tech savvy and I will often not be available to help them out


[16:54] <wxl> phillw: i have no clue what you're asking for. so are you leaving your responsibilities within lubuntu?
[16:56] <phillw> wxl: no, I'm actually asking for release manager to be formalised again instead of me going via flexiondotorg when -release team need decisions and actually having to turn up on that channel to approve the PPC ones as our testers were not filing against the iso-tracker.... I promised we'd try to have them register on there instead of email / social media :)
[16:57] <phillw> wxl: Julien's quite happy with it, I've made my peace - but he says you must also agree.
[16:57] <wxl> phillw: the release manager is a team on lp.
[16:58] <phillw> wxl: I know... if you recall I had you added :P julien wants to know that you're happy with me being re-added.
[16:58] <wxl> phillw: i'm not sure what sense that makes if you're going to be release manager for gnome.
[17:01] <phillw> wxl: I'm not sure how being a release manager for GNOME means I cannot and will not test lubuntu. i also test MATE and xubuntu if they are short of test cases being carried out.... A tester is a tester... However, if you wish to veto my being returned as a release manager for lubuntu, i and Julien will accept you decision.
[17:02] <wxl> phillw: if you're trying to get admin access to the tracker for gnome, it doesn't make sense to do so through lubuntu. gnome should have access through some formalized means, and if it doesn, i would suggest you do that through gnome.
[17:02] <wxl> phillw: also, to be clear, being a tester is not the same as being a release manager.
[17:03] <phillw> wxl: release managers for flavours are flavour specific as per their lp accounts. The -release team have global privs. So, my being a release manager for GNOME <> permissions for lubuntu. Different lp page
[17:05] <wxl> phillw: i would certainly like to see how your new responsibilities with gnome are going to affect your ability to actually contribute on a regular basis in lubuntu. seems like a dramatically strange set of circumstances.
[17:07] <phillw> wxl: okay. I will refute my permission to be re-instigated as a release manager for lubuntu. This does mean you will have to be available at the times the -release team ask for decisions. I will no longer use a 3rd party to give my opinion.
[17:08] <wxl> phillw: great. thanks.
[17:13] <phillw> wxl: you have mail :)
[17:30] <phillw> wxl: I've got Julien's mail to Fb, G+ and lubuntu.me - if you have others, please spread it. Thanks.
[18:28] <lynorian> wxl is right here
[18:30] <lynorian> also when I have a testcase that says needs fixing in a branch and then I push an update to that to fix it is there a step I need to take to get in merged
[18:30] <lynorian> I had a testcase like that for qterminal I think
[18:32] <wxl> lynorian: if it's been reviewed, the maintainers should do it. i'm among them, so you're welcome to ask
[18:32] <wxl> lynorian: if it's been reviewed and then you make a change, then it ultimately needs to be reviewed again
[18:32] <lynorian> for ubuntu-manual tests?
[18:32] <wxl> yeps
[18:34] <lynorian> https://code.launchpad.net/~walterorlin/ubuntu-manual-tests/qterminal
[21:20] <phillw> wxl: balloons told me that with him of jollying with juju there is no plug in replacement for qa/ testing... His assertion is that the community teams are pretty much on their own. It may possibly a part of information that should be shared with the QA / dev team ....?
[21:23] <phillw> wxl: (14:40:15) phillw: But, anyways.. who is TL for iso testing if you're playing with juju ?
[21:23] <phillw> (14:40:44) balloons: for now it falls back to the community team and the QA team
[21:23] <phillw> (14:41:08) phillw: any PoC ?
[21:23] <phillw> (14:41:12) balloons: they have most of the cycle to figure it out, I don't know what will happen
[21:25] <phillw> It's nice to chat with people who were friends and those I've crossed swords with. I can rely on both for openess and 100% honesty
[21:40] <phillw> wxl: touching base, even though briefly with a certain Colin Watson was amazing, he's retired from teams and work so many bloody times. Yet, he keeps his finger in the pie and was the guy who sorted our alternate installer bug out... A 100% gentleman and an honour for him to even remember me!!!
[21:41] <phillw> next on my list will be Brian Murray.... Bug master general :D
[21:41] <wxl> phillw: next on your list for what?
[21:41] <lynorian> hugging?
[21:42] <phillw> wxl: to say hello to. I've been a silent for quite a while, I want to catch up with those I hold as highest honour and call Sir (even the lady ones like lyz)
[21:43] <wxl> phillw: great. well enjoy yourself, but no need to update us on your every move ;)
[21:43] <phillw> wxl: I got told off for NOT telling my every move?....
[21:44] <wxl> phillw: nope, that's not why.
[21:45] <wxl> phillw: you can consult the topic for what the intended subjects for this channel are, in case it's not clear.
[21:46] <phillw> Ah, yes... that was an email sequence squashed by the boss.... I either can chat to people and formulate ways forward with us having chats, or I report here every time I pick my nose.... I'm in reporting here every time I pick nose mode so people do not think I'm working clandestine :)
[21:46] <wxl> phillw: your extremism is certainly not appreciated. please waste someone else's time. thank you.
[21:47] <phillw> wxl: you were the one who said I was not informing the group about things.... I am now informing the group about things.... all of them, less I be accused of keeping secrets again.
[21:48] <wxl> phillw: your desire to have a personal check-in with various people in the ubuntu community has little to do with "Lubuntu QA/Development."
[21:48] <wxl> phillw: for example, you might be a contributor to Lubuntu, but i have no interest in what you have for breakfast.
[21:49] <phillw> wxl: well the chat with balloons certainly could have implications for lubuntu
[21:49] <wxl> phillw: yep, it might. i replied to it. the rest of it, though, i'm not sure. come on, phill, just be reasonable. please.
[21:51] <phillw> A chat with the guy who sorted out our red bug for alternate install is also, IMHO, worthy of note so other bug hunters know he is both kind to lubuntu and knows a hell of a lot about debian installer.
[21:52] <wxl> phillw: what would be valuable to relate to this channel is information that is relevant to the development of lubuntu, or qa there of. the fact that you intend to have a chat with someone for some unknown reason is not relevant.
[21:53] <wxl> phillw: i'm not interested in filling up the logs with this ridiculousness. please, phillw, please stop. i'm begging you.
[21:53] <phillw> And, as for a chat with Brian Murray?.... come on now.... Bug master General?... do not fear these guys, they are really good people. And for all of the newer people, knowing their names and not fearing approaching them for advice is all for the better.
[21:54] <wxl> phillw: enough.
[21:58] <phillw> enough what? You said I was not informing people of my chats about lubuntu. And now that I am, you ask me to stop?.... will you make your mind up?
[21:58] <wxl> phillw: go find something productive to do.
[22:00] <phillw> This is productive, I don't want to be accused of secrecy and telling people everything at the same time... As you're the self anointed censor, you tell me what I must and must not disclose.
[22:01] <wxl> phillw: no one said "everything." also, i'm not asking for censorship, but to stay on topic.
[22:02] <phillw> Oh, and breakfast, as you mentioned it, was a fried egg sandwich, although I fail to see how that is pertinent to lubuntu.
[22:08] <phillw> wxl: I did... chats between 3 developers about LXQt finally got resolved.... Yet you were saying I was not being open.... Thing is, the devs were chatting to each other and I was trying to translate it into English. Finally, Julien made his statement to go along side Alf's. You're new to this game.... sometimes we just chat to the devs and they will form a consensus. What gets forgotten, far to often, is that we live under a technocracy, n
[22:14] <phillw> s/to/too/
[22:23] <phillw> hiyas tsimonq2
[22:24] <tsimonq2> hello phillw, how are you today?
[22:26] <phillw> tsimonq2:  good here... mind still slightly in a blur for GNOME stuff, they are having a massive re-vamp of things and looking to move to mediawiki from moin.... This will be briliant as it is my goal for lubuntu to also do that.
[22:26] <tsimonq2> I see
[22:26] <tsimonq2> well cool :)
[22:27] <lynorian> well if a kenrel updated made a laptop run so hot you cooked an egg on it that kind of matters for this channel but is quite unliekly
[22:28] <phillw> yup, I will be allocating virt7 to be a dedicated multi site media wiki server once JasonO has finished his end of year exams.... You should really get to chat with him, he's a little older than you are, but is a 100% geek.
[22:31] <phillw> lynorian: my laptop doesn't cook eggs currently at 43 C
[22:41] <phillw> wb tsimonq2
[22:41] <phillw> tsimonq2: (23:28:30) phillw: yup, I will be allocating virt7 to be a dedicated multi site media wiki server once JasonO has finished his end of year exams.... You should really get to chat with him, he's a little older than you are, but is a 100% geek.
[22:42] <tsimonq2> phillw: please read the topic. We have #lubuntu-offtopic for a reason. :)
[22:44] <phillw> tsimonq2: please read the topic, develepment of lubuntu is the reason and having a new wiki area for LXQt coming on board, whilst keeping the GTK area is an important task to be addressed as Julien hopes to have a 16.10 release for testing and we have exactly ZERO wiki notes for applications etc.
[22:56] <phillw> tsimonq2: so, are you on board for the LXQt wiki area?
[23:01] <lynorian> yes that is also quite important to get done
[23:25] <lynorian> yeah having it seperate seems to make sense as then people won't get confused for each different one


[04:35] <nigelb> good morning
[08:21] <dholbach> good morning
[08:32] <nigelb> hey dholbach
[08:33] <dholbach> hi nigelb
[08:33] <nigelb> dholbach: I talked to the openhatch folks last night/early today morning.
[08:34] <dholbach> how did it go?
[08:34] <nigelb> They're very much interested in us using openhatch to fill in the "need volunteers" and "I want to help" scenario.
[08:35] <dholbach> what would we have to do?
[08:35] <nigelb> There's a lot of intersect between the 2 communities, since paulproteus who found the project is also a DD and friend of a bunch of people in Ubuntu
[08:35] <nigelb> dholbach: I think we need to use the platform, but if you want you can talk to them at #openhatch
[08:36] <dholbach> what specifically would we have to change?
[08:36] <nigelb> I don't think we have to change anything,
[08:36] <nigelb> Openhatch gives us a medium and we'd need to use it.
[08:37] <dholbach> do you know which information we would have to feed in there?
[08:37] <dholbach> do you know if there's additional features that'd be valuable for us?
[08:38] <nigelb> dholbach: At this point, I can't comment. I've not looked at openhatch website in a while.  If you want I can look that up and get back to you.
[08:38] <dholbach> if you want to, that's great - I guess I'll also have a look
[08:38] <dholbach> not today, as I have something else to finish to day, but probably some time this week
[08:39] <nigelb> Great
[08:39] <dpm> morning all
[08:39] <nigelb> morning dpm
[08:53] <kim0> Morning everyone
[08:53] <kim0> nigelb: dholbach dpm  o/
[08:53] <kim0> The usual early birds
[08:55] <dholbach> hey kim0, hey dpm
[09:07] <dpm> hey dholbach, kim0, nigelb :)
[09:18] <nigelb> kim0: Morning!
[09:20] <nigelb> Firefox downloads just crossed 200,000,000. Wow.
[09:25] <AlanBell> and that doesn't include many linux users
[09:31] <nigelb> True, I'm using the PPA for both my machines.
[11:16] <czajkowski> have had 1 guy mail me twice over the weekend since jono mailed me and ccd him to help him with his team, last one asking when I was going to get back to him, clearly weekend doesn't matter with a teams enthuasim :)
[12:25] <greg-g> czajkowski: the weekend is usually the volunteer's time to get things done with their hobby :)
[12:25] <czajkowski> greg-g: and some people like to relax and do non geeky stuff
[12:25] <czajkowski> 3 mails is a lot to get from a person
[12:25] <czajkowski> :)
[12:26] <greg-g> true, that is excessive
[12:38] <nigelb> Anyone sub'd to launchpad.net/summit might kill me for what I did over the weekend.  Triaged a bunch of bugs, marked them bitesize, fixed a bunch, requested merge, :)
[12:57] <duanedesign> morning all
[13:32] <greg-g> nigelb: I would love you, actually
[14:46] <nigelb> greg-g: heh :)
[14:46] <nigelb> greg-g: Unless you're the person who has to review all the branches.  I'm not sure if mhall119 wants to hug me or stab me right now :P
[14:46] <mhall119> stabbing-hug
[14:47] <mhall119> isn't Daviey around to review summit MPs?
[14:47] <nigelb> I'm not sure how much time he has, let me ask him.
[14:52] <mhall119> "-from BeautifulSoup import BeautifulSoup" may be the most beautiful thing I've ever seen in a diff
[14:52] <mhall119> props to nigelb
[15:55] <dholbach> hey jono
[15:56] <jono> howdy dholbach
[15:56] <jono> hows things?
[15:57] <dholbach> good good - internet is still not working, so I went to my old office today and it's good to see the guys there again :)
[15:58] <jono> dholbach, cool :-)
[15:58] <dholbach> how about you?
[16:00] <jono> kim0, all set?
[16:00] <jono> dholbach, all good here thanks :-)
[16:00]  * kim0 plugs the mic
[16:01] <kim0> jono: ready
[16:12] <Daviey> mhall119, bah
[16:15] <mhall119> :)
[16:51] <jono> dholbach, want to bring our call forward?
[16:51] <dholbach> sure, why not - give me a sec
[16:52] <jono> dholbach, np
[16:52] <dholbach> jono, rock on
[17:08] <jono> jcastro, want to bring our call earlier?
[17:08] <jono> jcastro, have some interesting updates
[17:10] <dholbach> jono, bah, you didn't tell me about those interesting updates! now I'm curious! :)
[17:10] <jono> dholbach, they are about you
[17:10] <jono> LOL
[17:10] <jono> j/k
[17:10]  * dholbach storms out
[17:11] <jono> just some quality improvments re. Unity
[17:11] <dholbach> nice
[17:16] <jcastro> jono: we can, I'd like to bring DBO in, I've been trying to snag him all day but he's been in  meetings.
[17:16] <jcastro> jono: I've got some stuff all set ready to go, just need to sync up
[17:17] <jcastro> jono: ok I'm going to lunch now then
[17:17] <jono> jcastro, np, we can chat later
[17:17] <jono> happy to chat now if you have time though
[17:17] <jcastro> yeah
[17:17] <jcastro> ring me up!
[17:17] <jono> is DBO essential to the call?
[17:17] <jono> ok cool
[17:18] <jcastro> eventually
[17:18] <jcastro> but it wouldn't hurt for us to sync up first
[17:18] <jono> yup
[17:24] <dholbach> alright - I call it a day
[17:24] <dholbach> see you all tomorrow
[17:24] <dholbach> have a great rest of your day
[17:26] <nhandler> You too dholbach
[17:39] <nigelb> Some days are awesome.
[17:39] <nigelb> I was trying to organize something around FTBFS.
[17:39] <nigelb> Randomly a Canonical employee pings me and volunteers to help :)
[17:40] <nigelb> I didn't even know him at all.
[17:41] <koolhead17> nigelb: canonical loves you, because you love ubuntu :)
[17:41] <nigelb> koolhead17: Not really. Its only about the person rather than where they work at.
[17:42] <koolhead17> Okey. as you say.
[17:42] <koolhead17> kim0: ping
[19:30] <jono> jcastro, can you give me the link to the Unity bitesize bug list?
[19:30] <jcastro> it's in the topic of #ayatana
[19:31] <jcastro> http://goo.gl/tiheb
[19:32] <jono> thanks jcastro
[19:34] <jcastro> jono: check this out
[19:35] <jcastro> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/727901
[19:35] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 727901 in ayatana-design "When dragging and dropping a file on to the Launcher, the Launcher icons that are valid drop receptacles don't highlight until the cursor is over the launcher." [Critical,Fix released]
[19:35] <jcastro> the new template IN ACTION.
[19:35] <jcastro> (see below the [19:36] <jcastro> we're putting these on every one of these backlog bugs
[19:37] <jcastro> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+milestone/backlog
[19:37] <jcastro> here's what the milestone will look like
[19:37] <jcastro> (note, it's currently a mess, I'm about 1/3 of the way through)
[19:37] <paultag> jcastro: hey big guy, can I use you for a ref' for a job I'm going for tommorow?
[19:38] <jcastro> NO.
[19:38] <jono> jcastro, that is awesome
[19:38] <jcastro> (of course)
[19:38] <paultag> jcastro: you rock, thanks man.
[19:38] <jcastro> jono: we're going to put the plan in each bug
[19:38] <jcastro> it will suck for jason right now
[19:38] <jcastro> but each one he does removes it from his list
[19:38] <jcastro> and helps people fix it faster
[19:39] <jcastro> so it's more of a plant now, harvest later
[19:39] <jono> totally
[19:39] <jono> jcastro, jason said this really helped last cycle
[19:39] <jcastro> yeah
[19:39] <jcastro> he writes this kind of thing down for himself /anyway/
[19:39] <jcastro> this just puts it in the bug
[19:39] <jono> jcastro, I am just working on a blog post about how indicators could raise the visibility of work, just did some mock-ups
[19:39] <jono> will get it online soon
[19:40] <jcastro> ok
[19:40] <jcastro> I'm going to be grinding lp for the rest of the day I bet, so you'll know where to find me
[19:40] <jcastro> some of these are all sorts of triaged wrong
[19:40] <jcastro> so we're putting them in good shape.
[19:40] <paultag> jcastro: could I have you PM a phone number so I don't have to stalk you? I'll beer you next time we meet up
[19:41] <pleia2> man, I should have held out the reference for a beer
[19:41] <jcastro> 1-800-OHI-OSUX
[19:41] <paultag> pleia2: I'll beer you when we meet up :)
[19:41] <paultag> pleia2: I owe you at least a few
[19:41] <pleia2> \o/
[19:41] <jono> jcastro, good work
[19:42] <jcastro> jono: here's the "as of now" list: https://bugs.launchpad.net/~unity-community-hackers
[19:42] <jono> awesome
[19:43] <jono> brb, lunch
[19:43] <jcastro> actually, we're closer to 50% through the list
[19:43] <jcastro> this isn't as sucky as I thought
[19:43] <jcastro> it's just "medium" sucky.
[19:45] <jcastro> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/683179
[19:45] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 683179 in unity-2d "Dash - Add BFB 'flirt' animation to startup sequence" [Medium,Confirmed]
[19:46] <jcastro> can someone not-Canonical click on one of those movies and tell me if it works for you?
[19:49] <paultag> jcastro: fails
[19:49] <paultag> Either you have not been granted access to this resource or your entitlement has timed out. Please try again. ←
[19:49] <jcastro> I deleted your lp account
[19:49] <jcastro> (j/k it's just a permissions problem I think)
[19:50] <paultag> hehe
[19:57]  * czajkowski prods paultag
[19:59] <paultag> hey czajkowski, what's up friendo?
[20:00] <czajkowski> paultag: you keep wanting to skype me
[20:00] <czajkowski> when I'm asleep
[20:00] <czajkowski> I'm awake now
[20:00] <paultag> czajkowski: have time now?
[20:00] <paultag> k :)
[20:00] <czajkowski> I do
[20:00] <paultag> roger doger
[20:00] <czajkowski> oi who you calling dodgey
[20:00] <czajkowski> fecker
[20:01] <czajkowski> no sound...
[20:06] <paultag> popey: prod
[20:07] <popey> o/
[20:07] <popey> wassup?
[20:08] <paultag> popey: czajkowski and I are chatting if you want in
[20:08] <popey> ok
[20:08] <popey> one mo
[20:09] <popey> ok, call me
[20:09] <paultag> popey: roger, moment
[20:10] <mhall119> jcastro: I can't get either movie to play because of missing codecs, what are they using?
[20:11] <jcastro> probably h264?
[20:16] <mhall119> jcastro: oh, the links are broken
[20:16] <mhall119> trying to go through OpenID
[20:18] <mhall119> ok, got them now
[20:38] <czajkowski> mhall119: did you break loco.u.c
[20:43] <czajkowski> jono: darling you here?
[20:43] <mhall119> czajkowski: nope
[20:43] <czajkowski> mhall119: if I or paultag click on teams, nothing happens
[20:44] <jono> czajkowski, yup
[20:44] <mhall119> czajkowski: loaded for me, just slow
[20:44] <mhall119> czajkowski: are you logged in?
[20:44] <mhall119> if so, log out and try it again
[20:44] <czajkowski> jono: if the LC runs a competition to design a logo will you pick one for us ?
[20:44] <czajkowski> mhall119: not logged in
[20:44] <jono> czajkowski, logo for what?
[20:45] <czajkowski> just for the loco council, like a brand, we're setting up our blog
[20:45] <mhall119> czajkowski: huh, you sure it's not just being slow?
[20:45] <czajkowski> thought it'd be a nice way to get loco teams aware of the ocuncil
[20:45] <jono> czajkowski, do we need another logo?
[20:46] <czajkowski> well there is none for the LC it was just an idea, something that would appear on LP and also on the blog
[20:46] <mhall119> I know there's the community fishbowl, is there a specific Local Community logo?
[20:46] <czajkowski> mhall119: nope
[20:46] <czajkowski> we just had a productive call wiht paultag and popey
[20:46] <mhall119> so maybe the logo should be for locos, instead of just the council
[20:47] <czajkowski> mhall119: nice idea don't we use the cirlce of friends?
[20:52] <cjohnston> I kinda liked the idea of a governance blog in which every board can post to.
[20:53] <czajkowski> cjohnston: cool, well you can bring that up wth them, in the mean time we're gonna make a bit of an effort to get the word out on stuff and get ours up and running and then maybe more will join in
[20:53] <czajkowski> hopefully
[20:53] <czajkowski> :)
[20:56] <jono> jcastro, what are the latest docs for writing an indicator?
[20:57] <jcastro> same as before
[20:57] <jcastro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ApplicationIndicators
[20:57] <jcastro> the python example needs to be updated to GI
[20:58] <nhandler> cjohnston: Or people can just subscribe to planet.ubuntu.com
[20:58] <cjohnston> nhandler: I think it would be nice to have one place to go to see all posts from the councils
[20:58] <cjohnston> which you wont really get from planet
[20:59] <cjohnston> planet isnt really conducive to going back and finding something in the past
[20:59] <nhandler> cjohnston: I don't really see the need. But it is rather trivial to setup a Yahoo Pipes or Planet Planet to pull in all the council feeds if someone wanted
[20:59] <nhandler> cjohnston: That is what your feed reader is for
[21:10] <jono> doctormo, ping?
[21:10] <jono> doctormo, on the subject of our "community experience built into the desktop" discussion, see http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/06/06/better-community-with-better-technology/
[21:11] <mhall119> nhandler: how long does your feed reader keeps articles?
[21:14] <cjohnston> mine isnt very long
[21:14] <cjohnston> unless i star it
[21:14] <nhandler> mhall119: No clue. I use google reader, And I star anything I need to keep.
[21:15] <cjohnston> i may not think that i need to keep something, but then want to go back for reference
[21:15] <nhandler> But, if anything, that is an issue with the current feed readers, not a reason for a new council blog
[21:15] <mhall119> but I think cjohnston's scenario was the case where you want to go back and find something that you didn't think was worth keeping when you first read it
[21:15] <mhall119> feed readers aren't meant to be content archives
[21:21] <AlanBell> and new community members don't have feed reader history
[21:21] <AlanBell> and I don't have a feed reader for that matter
[21:29] <nhandler> Well, this doesn't really solve the problem. With a shared blog, you would go to the blog, and then search it for the post. With the current system, it is no different. You go to the person's blog and search for the post. If you want to make it easier for people to subscribe to all the council members' posts, use something like yahoo pipes to create a feed that pulls in all of the other feeds.
[21:43] <jono> jcastro, to be clear, https://launchpad.net/unity/+milestone/3.8.14 is the upcoming Unity SRU, right?
[21:43] <jcastro> jono: .16
[21:44] <jcastro> .14 is all fixed released
[21:44] <jono> jcastro, .16 is SRU
[21:44] <jono> SRTU2
[21:44] <jono> isnt it?
[21:44] <jcastro> SRU1 is past already
[21:44] <jcastro> .16 is SRU2
[21:44] <jcastro> https://launchpad.net/unity/+milestone/3.8.16
[21:44] <jono> jcastro, I thought SRU1 was the one that is locked in proposed?
[21:45] <jono> and SRU is being worked on
[21:45] <jono> and SRU2 is being worked on
[21:45] <jcastro> SRU2 is being worked on
[21:45] <jcastro> SRU1 is out, not sure if it's still in proposed or not
[21:45] <jono> ahhh cool, thats what I wanted to double-check
[21:46] <jono> brb rebooting
[21:46] <jcastro> I am checking now
[21:46] <jcastro> with Ken
[21:46] <jcastro> (I have proposed enabled so I have it already)
[21:47] <jono> yeah I just installed propoped
[21:47] <jono> proposed
[21:47] <jcastro> dpkg -l unity will tell you the version you have
[21:47]  * jono getting used to his new keyboard
[21:47] <jcastro> new PC?
[21:47] <jono> jcastro, btw, see my new blog post, think it could be interesting for bitesize bugs
[21:47] <jono> no new keyboard for lappy
[21:47] <jono> now in my office working
[21:47] <jono> brb
[21:48] <jcastro> oh dude
[21:48] <jcastro> "rmadison unity" will tell you everything you need to know
[21:49] <nhandler> jcastro: rmadison is a very handy tool. You can also do 'rmadison -debian somepackage' to check on what versions debian has
[22:12] <jcastro> bacon
[22:12] <jcastro> jono: "rmadison unity"
[22:12] <jcastro> for the win
[22:12] <jcastro> (I always forget about that tool)
[22:12] <jono> jcastro, eh?
[22:13] <jcastro> it tells you what each version of unity in each pocket is
[22:13] <jono> oh cool
[22:13] <jcastro> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/620283/
[22:13] <jcastro> voila
[22:13] <jcastro> so yeah, it's still in proposed
[22:14] <cjohnston> nhandler: im not saying something for every members posts.. I'm saying a council blog, in which the councils post blog posts.. not council members posting blog posts.
[22:15] <jono> jcastro, I just installed it
[22:15] <jono> seems be running well far
[22:37] <nhandler> cjohnston: That just sounds like one more place that we need to duplicate announcements. Most councils send it to some ML, post on some blog that is on the planet, post in certain relevant irc channels, and submit to the fridge/uwn (which should be up and running again soon)
[22:55] <jono> folks, can you folks help me test Lernid in a few mins?
[22:55] <jono> We are running a Lernid testing event in 5 mins - go and download the new Lernid release from a PPA and join the session: http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/06/05/new-lernid-release-please-test/
[23:11] <doctormo> jono: are you still testing?
[23:12] <jono> doctormo, yup
[23:13] <doctormo> Let me join in the fun...
[23:29] <jono> doctormo, did you see my recent blog entry?
[23:29] <jono> it resonates with our discussion about community built into the desktop
[23:30] <doctormo> jono: Interesting, I'm reading it now
[23:30] <jono> doctormo, :-)
[23:35] <doctormo> jono: OK read, looks like you've specified several projects with quite a bit of work to get them done.
[23:35] <doctormo> The first job is to put them into blueprints
[23:35] <doctormo> So we can pass out the work to people when they come forward
[23:35] <doctormo> And duplication is avoided.
[23:35] <jono> doctormo, yeah, I just wanted to share some ideas to see if interested folks to write some code
[23:36] <jono> wasn't sure if you fancied writing one of these?
[23:36] <doctormo> I need to double check the new backend for launchpadlib, if their new login framework is easy enough, then it should be simple to do.
[23:37] <doctormo> GroundControl suffers because it needs access to the ssh keys, which the launchpad API doesn't provide yet. But none of your proposals need ssh keys to work.
[23:37] <doctormo> So the default launchpadlib access control work should do the trick.
[23:38] <doctormo> Right I have to head out --> "home James"


[01:21] <bazhang> turn off a usb port via command line?
[01:22] <pangolin> is that even possible?
[01:22] <bazhang> there's a bug in 11.04 that does that (not exactly command line)
[01:22] <bazhang> so he could wait for that one to surface
[01:26] <bazhang> artichoku is very silly
[01:27] <pangolin> indeed
[01:27] <pangolin> @mark #ubuntu  artichoku asked to refrain from making silly comments, does not seem to get it.
[01:28] <bazhang> what he's talking about is an actual bug though: the blank desktop using unity-3d
[01:48] <bazhang> * [Kuntsleim] (MittRomney@jakarta.infinity-online.co.id): follaemos  <----- GNAA /msg'ing
[01:49] <bazhang> also in #freenode and #defocus
[01:49] <pangolin> i can't help that
[01:49] <bazhang> ie, in addition to #ubuntu
[01:50] <pangolin> you got a pm from them?
[01:51] <bazhang> well, I * Kuntsleim has quit (K-Lined)  ah never mind
[01:51] <bazhang> initially PM'd him to change the nick
[01:52] <pangolin> I don't bother asking with nicks like that
[01:53] <bazhang> well, worth a shot. then he shot me that really nasty PM in return (after changing nicks just a wee bit)
[01:58] <yva> hi there
[01:58] <bazhang> hi
[01:58] <yva> just wanted to report that a guy on the channel is PM users with racist msgs
 Tired of niggers? Sick of their monkeyshines? We are too! Join Chimpout Forum! http://www.chimpout.com/forum At Chimpout WE ARE NOT WHITE SUPREMACISTS! I myself am a Mexican!  Basically, if you are not a NIGGER and you hate NIGGERS, we welcome you with open arms!  Join Chimpout Forum today!  http://www.chimpout.com/forum
[01:59] <bazhang> yep he was klined
[01:59] <bazhang> ah new one
[01:59] <bazhang> thanks yva
[01:59] <pangolin> klined
[01:59] <marienz> yva: thanks for reporting!
[01:59] <bazhang> staff ^ may want to see that.
[01:59] <bazhang> ah ok
[01:59] <yva> mu pleasure
[02:00] <bazhang> mu!
[02:00] <yva> my
[02:00] <bazhang> :)
[02:00] <marienz> "mu" arguably makes sense there :)
[02:00] <bazhang> it does
[02:00] <yva> cheers
[02:00] <bazhang> thanks
[02:01] <elky> You can pretty much preemptively knock out anyone with a nick like one of the presidential contenders
[02:16] <pangolin> can someone ask LED2 to give it a rest and stop trying to start trouble in -ot
[02:16] <bazhang> not responding to him would help
[02:16] <pangolin> true
[02:24] <elky> for the reference that was not not responding to him.
[02:25] <bazhang> he's upset about something, no need to egg him on
[02:49] <bazhang> am I missing something? he dd'd the iso to an external hdd and is attempting to install from there?
 i just want to be banned
[03:11] <bazhang> huh?
[03:17] <knome> -> needhelp23323
[03:17] <knome> why is he +q in #ubuntu ?
[03:19] <Unit193> Beat me to it
[03:24] <knome> needhelp23323, i'm not an op in #ubuntu so i can't resolve it, but please wait for somebody to come in and resolve
[03:24] <knome> bazhang, ?
[03:25] <knome> pangolin, ?
[03:26] <pangolin> hmm
[03:26] <bazhang> not banned
[03:26] <bazhang> nor in the channel either
[03:26] <pangolin> not sure why you can't speak
[03:26] <knome> is he +q then?
[03:26] <knome> FWIW, he's been all nice in #xubuntu
[03:26] <pangolin> oh
[03:26] <needhelp23323> it says
[03:26] <needhelp23323> You are banned from this channel.
[03:27] <pangolin> try now
[03:28] <needhelp23323> pangolin: works
[03:28] <needhelp23323> thanks
[03:28] <knome> pangolin, thanks! :)
[03:28] <knome> i'm off to bed
[03:28] <pangolin> ok, have a good night.
[03:28] <knome> needhelp23323, good luck
[03:28] <pangolin> welcome.
[03:28] <needhelp23323> knome: so should i ask my question there?
[03:28] <knome> needhelp23323, yes, please
[03:28] <pangolin> probably
[03:28] <needhelp23323> ubottu	needhelp23323: Please don't ask the same question in multiple Ubuntu channels at the same time. Many helpers are in more than one channel and it's not fair to them or the other people seeking support.
[03:29] <needhelp23323> from #kubuntu
[03:29] <pangolin> needhelp23323: will let it slide this time :)
[03:29] <knome> that was because you posted to #xubuntu and then soon after to #kubuntu
[03:29] <knome> just keep with #ubuntu
[03:29] <knome> and you'll be fine :)
[03:29] <needhelp23323> k
[03:29] <needhelp23323> thanks everyone
[03:29] <knome> people will eventually be able to solve it out
[03:29] <knome> and remember to slow down, and sleep too!
[03:30] <knome> i'm out ->
[03:30] <needhelp23323> good night
[03:31] <pangolin> needhelp23323: if you would kindly /part this channel now, you are welcome to rejoin if you have any other issues with joining ubuntu channels.
[03:31] <needhelp23323> alright
[04:09] <Unit193> Hello jandrusk, how may we help you?
[04:09] <jandrusk> Just checking out the channel.
[04:10] <Unit193> Righto, this is where you go when you get banned from a core channel or sometimes to report something
[04:11] <jandrusk> I follow you. Thanks for the info.
[04:11] <Unit193> No proble...m
[04:36] <pangolin> !-language
[04:37] <pangolin> !cuss is <alias> !language
[04:37] <pangolin> !cuss is <alias> language
[04:37] <pangolin> !cuss
[04:37] <pangolin> !cuss > webnet
[05:46] <lolcat`> Hello
[05:46] <lolcat`> Your flood bot keeps asking me unanswerable questions
[05:47] <lolcat`> Like: "What language do they speak in italy" or "what is the last month of the year"
[05:47] <lolcat`> They speak at least a dozen diffrent languages in Italy, so that question is flawed.
[05:47] <Flannel> lolcat`: Theres only one official language.
[05:47] <lolcat`> And the second depends on what society your bot is a part of, and sadly he doesn't inform about that
[05:48] <lolcat`> Flannel: He didn't ask for an offical language, he simply asked what languages were spoken there.
[05:48] <Flannel> lolcat`: Have you passed any turing tests lately?
[05:49] <lolcat`> I have solved a dozen of capatchas
[05:49] <lolcat`> But I am yet to pass yours
[05:50] <lolcat`> He could just as well ask: "What is the meaning of life?"
[05:50] <lolcat`> At least some people get answerable questions like: "Write the number 2 in letters"
[05:51] <Flannel> lolcat`: Well, I have faith in you.  Just keep trying.
[05:52] <lolcat`> Type the number 9 in letters, not in digits
[05:52] <lolcat`> Actually, shouldn't there either be a ":" or "" around "9", so we know we're not supposed to write "the number 2 in letters"?
[06:01] <Flannel> lolcat`: well, if you ever manage to prove you're a human, we'd be happy to take your suggestions to make them less ambiguous
[06:02] <lolcat`> Obviously I am a human
[06:02] <lolcat`> I am having an intelligent conversation, how many computers complain?
[06:02] <Flannel> lolcat`: You've never dealt with my laptop
[06:03] <lolcat`> Flannel: I dishwashed my laptop keyboard, I know my fair share of difficult keyboards
[06:03] <lolcat`> I just bougth a 46" tv!
[06:03] <lolcat`> But can you fix that bot?
[06:04] <Tm_T> I consider it working reasonably well
[06:04] <lolcat`> It never has worked
[06:04] <lolcat`> I rememer in a log for like a year or two back where one op in here talks about me cursing the bot out in #ubuntu-unregged
[06:04] <lolcat`> And thaat is ages ago
[06:05] <pangolin> works perfect, we /know/ it to be a bot.
[06:05] <pangolin> you have yet to prove you aren't.
[06:05] <lolcat`> Ask me anything
[06:05] <pangolin> What is the last month of the year?
[06:05] <lolcat`> Depends what calendar you use, and what society you are part of
[06:06] <pangolin> I call bot.
[06:06] <lolcat`> For Norway December is generally considered the last month of the year
[06:07] <Tm_T> lolcat`: something else we can help you with?
[06:09] <lolcat`> In irssi I have used /window show #channel twice, now it is split in three
[06:09] <lolcat`> What can I do to fix that?
[06:09] <Tm_T> wrong channel for that
[06:09] <pangolin> ask in #irssi
[06:09] <lolcat`> Never anyone there
[06:10] <lolcat`> How do I leave channels?
[06:10] <pangolin> Doesn't make this channel a replacement for irssi support
[06:10] <lolcat`> I wnat to leave this channel
[06:10] <Flannel>  /part
[06:10] <lolcat`> But I am clueless as to how
[06:10] <Tm_T> aww
[06:10] <pangolin> interesting.
[06:11] <Tm_T> doesn't know how to leave the channel, but knows how to do leave message (:
[06:59] <Ben64> hey pangolin, i see you're around
[07:00] <Tm_T> we all are, one way or another
[07:00] <Ben64> cool
[07:00] <pangolin> dax: see twitter*
[07:00] <Ben64> that guy was in there yesterday, with easy to spot social networking nicks
[07:00] <Ben64> 99.99% sure stumbleupon is the same guy
[07:00] <pangolin> multiple ip's
[07:00] <Ben64> aw, he already got got
[07:00] <Ben64> i'm slow
[07:01] <dax> pangolin: all webchat?
[07:01] <Flannel> yes
[07:01] <Ben64> webchat, looks like his home ip, and a server he has control of
[07:01] <pangolin> looks like it
[07:03] <AfterDeath> Hi. An idea I was tossing around earlier was for AntiSpamMeta - it currently detects a few GNAA Last Measure links and alerts ops to the issue; I was wondering if #ubuntu ops would find it acceptable for ASM to break the "no talking bots" rule (in this circumstance only) to warn users that the link is particularly dangerous and should be avoided.
[07:04] <AfterDeath> So, I shan't idle here, y'all discuss it and get back to me, please :)
[07:05] <Ben64> Feb 02 2012 01:11:39 *	stumbleupon<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu
[07:05] <Ben64> not sure how many ip addresses he has or why he has such hate for #ubuntu, but thanks for getting rid of him at least for now
[12:57] <oCean> bazhang: fyi there's a ban on his mask, but I'd rather see him trying to resolve that
[12:58] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[12:58] <bazhang> oCean, indeed. imo that's the way to do, but he has a very hard time listening if it's not what he wants to hear.
[12:58] <bazhang> err go
[18:02] <lolcat--> Which number is immediately after 3?
[18:02] <lolcat--> That sentence isn't even grammatically correct!
[18:02] <LjL> ?
[18:02] <lolcat--> And it depends upon the resolution your are counting
[18:03] <lolcat--> 3.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 is immediatley after 3
[18:03] <LjL> lolcat--: do you have an issue relevant to this channel?
[18:03] <lolcat--> #ubuntu-unregged asked me that
[18:03] <LjL> oh
[18:03]  * LjL will change that to "integer", that ok?
[18:04] <lolcat--> And make it look gramatically correct
[18:04] <lolcat--> If possible, that would be great
[18:04] <LjL> i don't know why it's grammaticall incorrect
[18:04] <knome> s/is/comes/ ?
[18:04] <pangolin> A human would be able to answer the question as it is asked.
[18:04] <lolcat--> knome: Yeah, that would be better
[18:04] <knome> and s/number/integer/ ...
[18:05] <lolcat--> Or whole number if since your users generally isn't too techincal savy
[18:05] <knome> and the answer for the question if this is nit-picky is yes
[18:05] <lolcat--> Not sure about that, but at least it would be correct and answerable
[18:05] <lolcat--> Thanks in advance
[18:05] <knome> imo it's answerable now
[18:06] <knome> but i'm not the one administrating that
[18:06] <lolcat--> knome: So is: "What is the meaning of life?" But it doesn't make sence to use it as a turing test.
[18:07] <knome> while we don't expect our users to be tech-savvy, we don't expect them to be nit-picky either
[18:07] <knome> most of the users do not know what a turing test is either
[18:07] <lolcat--> Well, I do, and I know how to make one without asking questions with millions of answers
[18:07] <knome> argument refused.
[18:07] <LjL> well no need to argue this, the question can be changed without much adverse effect
[18:07] <knome> :)
[18:07] <lolcat--> LjL: good good
[18:08] <knome> sure
[18:08] <pangolin> the meaning of life must be to annoy everyone around you with stupid nitpicking about something that hundreds of others have been able to understand.
[18:08] <knome> yeah, that exactly
[18:08] <knome> i think we should pass his arguments for a turing test
[18:08] <knome> see if he passes
[18:09] <Myrtti> hold on, how come ...
[18:10] <Myrtti> my script shows him/her/it/them unidentified but has a cloak and /wii says is identified
[18:10] <Myrtti> brain confuddled
[18:10] <Myrtti> no worky.
[18:10] <pangolin> you ran it just as he identified
[18:10] <LjL> Myrtti: well the nick they're currently using is not registered
[18:11] <Myrtti> this may make some sense in some universe where my brain is not present
[18:11] <LjL> anyway ##english has confirmed "is" was fine :P
[18:11] <knome> in a universe far, far away...
[18:14] <knome> gah, it's >eight already
[18:14] <knome> ->
[19:54] <LjL> @mark #ubuntu FreeSunRide Wanting a "hacker" to access their boyfriend's PC
[23:12] <bioterror> 585 bans, niiiice
[23:12] <Unit193> Lies, it's not that full
[23:15] <ikonia> correct
[23:15] <ikonia> kfloodboot fail