[00:27] <simonjj> anyone here that knows vm-builder?
[00:58] <adam_g> zul: when are you planning on doing the e4 upload? friday?
[01:00] <hggdh> Daviey, roaksoax: bug 943000 is hitting the QA lab
[01:00] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 943000 in cobbler "update to system fails with  Exception value: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'os_version'" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/943000
[01:02] <twb> Do they have white coats and stuff, or is it all inside a server in a rack
[01:03] <hallyn> and mice in little cages
[01:04] <zul> adam_g: yeah
[01:05] <twb> huge bottle glasses
[01:08] <jcorneli_> @kklimonda : I updated to the new kernel but the device still isn't booting properly
[01:12] <adam_g> zul: ok, im close to finishing porting the charms to the new branch. hopefully have CI on that tomorrow, and we should be good to update keystone
[01:15] <zul> kk
[01:37] <Canadian1296> I want to set up a VPN server on my server, so I can have a secure tunnel into my network.
[01:37] <Canadian1296> What package do I need?
[03:22] <hallyn> smoser: would it be acceptable to you if by default you couldn't run lxc/libvirt inside a container, but some workaround (disabling or changing apparmor profile) would let you?
[03:22] <hallyn> I'm trying to decide whether it's worth immediately doing separate profiles per container
[03:25] <hallyn> i'd prefer to punt on per-container profiles to make sure we take the time to do it right...
[03:25] <hallyn> anyway we can talk about it tomorrow.
[03:33] <twb> lxc inside a container?  You mean like nested ones?
[03:40] <hallyn> yeah
[03:41] <hallyn> nothing stopping it right now, but i'd like to clamp down on cgroups inside containers by default
[04:10] <twb> Why?
[04:10] <twb> Just because it'd be confusing?
[04:15] <hallyn> to stop changes to the devices cgroup setting
[04:26] <twb> Oh, you can break out of it that way?
[04:27] <hallyn> well you could give yourself the rights to /dev/sda and write to it
[04:28] <hallyn> now it's not something that would accidentally happen, and i mainly for 12.04 want to prevent accidental abuse of the host by containers
[04:28] <hallyn> but still, it's blatant enough...
[04:31] <twb> Nod
[04:31] <twb> That's why my containers lack sys_admin cap
[04:42] <Smozius> Can someone here tell me how to set the PE size for LVMs in Ubuntu server 10.04?
[04:43] <twb> Do you mean PV ?
[04:43] <Smozius> No the physical extent size
[04:43] <Smozius> so I can get LVMs above 256GB
[04:44] <Smozius> By default its at 4MB
[04:44] <Smozius> For some reason there is no option in the LVM set up to make it higher
[05:14] <Canadian1296> I want to set up a VPN server on my server, so I can have a secure tunnel into my network. What package do I need?
[05:23] <twb> Smozius: um, I have LVs >256G and I haven't touched the extent size
[05:23] <Smozius> Oh.... well then maybe I don't have to worry about it lol
[05:23] <twb> Smozius: and I thought the default extent size was *4kiB*
[05:24] <Smozius> its 4MB on CentOS
[05:24] <twb> The extent size really only matters if you're trying to avoid write amplification, which is a PITA to do
[05:24] <Smozius> and 16MB I heard pushes it up to 1TB
[05:24] <Smozius> ok
[05:24] <twb> It doesn't hurt to crank it up though
[05:24] <twb> I think you set it at PV creation time
[05:24] <twb> Well, it would hurt if you set it to 1G and you then wanted a 128M LV
[05:24] <Spanky> My LVM is 4mb extents and I have 3TB volume....
[05:25] <twb> You can obviously only create LVs in exact multiples of the extent size
[05:25] <twb> Bigger extents might also mean higher data:metadata ratio, I don't know
[06:20] <Canadian1296> How would I set up an IRC server? Preferably with NickServ and ChanServ
[06:23] <twb> apt-get install ircd-irc2
[06:23] <twb> Dunno about nickserv/chanserv
[06:28] <Canadian1296> twb: Alright
[06:29] <twb> There are several ircds, irc2 is the simplest and easiest
[06:30] <twb> I use it for my in-office IRC
[06:33] <Canadian1296> twb: Okay, so without nickserv and chanserv, I'll get a basic irc that anyone can join and speak in? Can I configure channels and accounts and stuff without chan and nick serb?
[06:33] <Canadian1296> **serv
[06:33] <twb> NFI
[06:33] <twb> basic irc you just join channels to create them
[06:33] <twb> I never cared about anything fancier
[06:34] <twb> #freenode can probably direct you to detailed irc server info
[06:34] <onre> dunno about modern irc servers but even original ircd had users and passwords, if that's good enough
[06:34] <Canadian1296> twb: Alright I'll ask there about nickserv. Thanks for your help :)
[06:36] <Canadian1296> onre: All I need is a simple irc server, I just want to allow users to register their nicknames ( on here it's /msg NickServ etc etc, but idk how to do it without nickserv
[06:38] <Smozius> Where is the binary file for apache2 installed at in ubuntu server? I cannot find it in /usr/sbin/....
[06:38] <Smozius> Also did a find / -name httpd* and didn't come with any binary files
[06:38] <twb> It'll be called apache not httpd
[06:39] <twb> Since when apache httpd existed, it was the only *apache* product but not the only *httpd*
[06:39] <Smozius> Ah okay, found it
[06:39] <Smozius> i assume its /etc/init.d/apache2?
[06:39] <twb> uh, that's not a binary
[06:40] <twb> I guess you aren't familiar with System V
[06:40] <Smozius> Nope
[06:41] <Smozius> So then its /usr/sbin/apache2
[06:41] <twb> Looks like it
[06:42] <twb> Here is how you work it out: http://paste.debian.net/158008/
[06:45] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #943088 in nagios3 (main) "package nagios3-cgi 3.2.3-1ubuntu1.2 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/943088
[07:04] <Smozius> twb: Is /usr/sbin/httpd a deprecated apache2 version or a fork of apache?
[07:05] <twb> NFI
[07:06] <twb> It doesn't exist on my system.
[07:07] <twb> In fact, it isn't provided by and package in Ubuntu.
[08:06] <davepigott> jamespage: ping
[08:24] <Daviey> a
[08:25] <smb> b
[08:26] <lynxman> c
[08:27] <Daviey> harh
[08:41] <lynxman> Daviey: ping
[08:41] <Daviey> lynxman: pong
[08:41] <lynxman> Daviey: early morning sir :)
[08:41] <lynxman> Daviey: was wondering, I have puppet 2.7.11 packaged, would it be any help?
[08:42] <Daviey> lynxman: i would think so! :)
[08:43] <lynxman> Daviey: cool, let me make it pretty and presentable then and I'll submit a merge request this morning
[09:13] <jamespage> davepigott, pong
[09:13] <jamespage> morning all
[09:13] <davepigott> jamespage: Hi. :)
[09:13] <davepigott> jamespage: Just wondering. Do I need to enable vlan on the public network switch as well as the private?
[09:13] <jamespage> davepigott, I don't think so
[09:14] <davepigott> jamespage: OK. Well, as I said, I can now ping my instances (there's a phrase I never expected to say!) but when I try to ssh I get connection refused
[09:14] <davepigott> jamespage: Unless it's on cloud01
[09:14] <davepigott> jamespage: I opened ssh on the switch as well (it was off as well)
[09:15] <jamespage> davepigott, where are you ssh'ing from? cloud01?
[09:15] <davepigott> jamespage: No. From a client machine
[09:15] <lynxman> jamespage: morning! I'll be introducing you today to your new disciple ;)
[09:15] <jamespage> lynxman, w00t
[09:16] <jamespage> davepigott, hmm
[09:17] <davepigott> jamespage: Frustrating, isn't it.
[09:17] <kai> hm, I don't get it.. lxc really is acting weird and unpredictable :/
[09:17] <davepigott> jamespage: I've come this far, I'm 95% there. I really want to make the vlan solution work. I'm suspecting a switch config again, but I may be wrong
[09:18] <jamespage> davepigott, you might be but if you are accessing the instance through its public IP address I don't think that should matter
[09:18] <davepigott> jamespage: And it's obviously talking to the instance, because it's "connection refused" not "host unreachable" or something like that
[09:19] <jamespage> davepigott, thats useful
[09:19] <kai> davepigott: ssh is running and you're not blocked by a firewall config or denyhosts or something like that?
[09:19] <jamespage> davepigott: can you grab the console output from one of the failing instances for me
[09:20] <davepigott> kai - ssh is running, not sure about denyhosts, and we're all on the same lan, no firewall
[09:20] <davepigott> jamespage: Will do. One moment
[09:21] <davepigott> jamespage: First of all, here's an output from ssh -v -v -v: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/861673/
[09:21] <kai> davepigott: if you didn;t install denyhosts, you should be fine
[09:22] <Daviey> davepigott: is this a cloud instance you are trying to connect to?
[09:22]  * Daviey has missed context.
[09:22] <davepigott> Daviey: Yep
[09:22] <Daviey> davepigott: Well, it seems you are either: Using the wrong key, the instance has no key, or the key failed to get set
[09:22] <jamespage> davepigott, it might be that the instance can grab stuff from nova-api (metadata) on anywhere other than cloud01
[09:22] <jamespage> console should tell us
[09:23] <Daviey> davepigott: can you euca-get-console-output i- ?
[09:23] <davepigott> Daviey: I can connect to an instance running on the "controller" node - i.e. one running all nova/glance/swift - but not one running on a nova-compte/network node. Just getting output….
[09:23] <Daviey> O_o
[09:23] <Daviey> lets see the console log..
[09:24] <davepigott> Daviey: jamespage http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/861675/
[09:24] <Daviey> ahhh
[09:25] <davepigott> Ahhh? Please tell me it's simple. :)
[09:25] <Daviey> davepigott: so, you are SURE you can ssh to it from the controller node?
[09:25] <jamespage> davepigott, that looks to be the issue
[09:26] <davepigott> Daviey: No, I ssh to an instance on the controller node from a client, but if I ssh onto an instance that's on another node I can't
[09:26] <Daviey> ih
[09:26] <Daviey> oh
[09:26] <jamespage> davepigott, I suspect that if you grab the console log from one running on cloud01 it should be OK
[09:26] <Daviey> davepigott: Well i'm guessing it's SNAT'd traffic.
[09:26] <davepigott> jamespage: Yes, it is. I've done it.
[09:26] <davepigott> SNAT'd?
[09:26] <davepigott> Daviey: ^
[09:26] <jamespage> davepigott, I suspect that your configuration for the nova-api server might be borked on the other nodes
[09:26] <jamespage> davepigott, you are running nova-api on all nodes right?
[09:27] <davepigott> jamespage: According to all the documentation I've read you only run nova-api on the controller, but yes, I am
[09:27] <Daviey> davepigott: Can you comment what the  --ec2_dmz_host  on compute node is
[09:27] <Daviey> ?
[09:27] <davepigott> Daviey: Yeah, one moment
[09:29] <davepigott> Daviey: In nova.conf?
[09:30] <davepigott> Daviey: If so, it's not set
[09:31] <Daviey> hmm
[09:31] <davepigott> Hmmm. Nor is ec2_api
[09:32] <davepigott> Daviey: My nova.conf file (same on all nodes) http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/861681/
[09:32] <Daviey> davepigott: is ec2_host?
[09:33] <davepigott> Daviey: nope
[09:34] <Daviey> davepigott: try adding: --ec2_host=<IP_ADDRESS>
[09:34] <Daviey> --ec2_dmz_host=<IP_ADDRESS>
[09:34] <Daviey> --ec2_url=http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8773/services/Cloud
[09:45] <davepigott> Daviey: OK. And then restart compute and network?
[09:47] <jamespage> davepigott, yes
[09:49] <davepigott> jamespage: Daviey: Are you sure nova-api should be running on *all* nodes? All the documentation says not
[09:50] <jamespage> davepigott, I think you can OR you can run it in one location - but for the life of me I can't remember the rationale
[09:50] <Daviey> davepigott: You can do either.  WE tend to recommend running it on each node because nova-api doesn't scale well.
[09:50] <jamespage> I think that nova-api provides the metadata service - so having it on all nodes scales better
[09:50] <jamespage> ah- like Daviey said :-)
[09:51] <davepigott> But the nova.conf points at the one node as being nova-api
[09:51] <davepigott> So are the others redundant?
[09:52] <Daviey> davepigott: Hmm, lets just see if that setting works.. if it does, lets change it to point the the local ip address.
[09:52] <davepigott> Daviey: ok
[09:55] <jamespage> biab
[10:04] <kai> right, too much magic...
[10:04]  * kai just figured out part of his lxc trouble :)
[10:05] <kai> now let's wait through the bootstrap
[10:05] <davepigott> Daviey: jamespage: "ssh: connect to host <IP_ADDRESS> port 22: Connection refused" :(
[10:16] <jamespage> davepigott, please check the console log again
[10:17] <davepigott> jamespage: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/861711/
[10:20] <jamespage> davepigott, hmmm
[10:20]  * jamespage scratches his head
[10:21] <davepigott> jamespage: Join the club.
[10:25] <kai> davepigott: tried a sniffer to see if the packets get to the server?
[10:29] <davepigott> kai: No. Actually, the packets are obviously getting to the instance, because pings are working, and if I do an ssh -v -v -v I can see that the instance is responding, it's just refusing the connection
[10:30] <davepigott> kai: And when the boot up happens, the instance doesn't appear to have a connection to the outside world.
[10:30] <jamespage> davepigott, I'm pretty sure the issue is on startup - the instance does not initialise properly so you won't ever be able to get to it
[10:30] <jamespage> its the link between nova-compute/nova-api for ec2 metadata thats causing the issue
[10:30] <davepigott> jamespage: So why is it starting up badly on the compute nodes?
[10:30] <jamespage> let me take a look in the test lab charms to see if anything is missing
[10:30] <davepigott> jamespage: OK. Thanks
[10:33] <Daviey> davepigott: you might need to put the bridge in promiscuous mode..
[10:34] <davepigott> Daviey: Hmm. Uh, and how do I do that?
[10:34] <Daviey> davepigott: sudo ip link set dev br100 promisc on
[10:34] <davepigott> On all nodes?
[10:34] <Daviey> davepigott: well, if it were me.. i'd be experimenting with one compute node to start with :)
[10:34] <davepigott> Daviey: Ah. Good point. :)
[10:36] <jamespage> davepigott, the only flag we set during testing is --ec2_dmz_host
[10:36] <davepigott> jamespage: Which I have set
[10:37] <jamespage> davepigott, whats in /var/log/nova/nova-api.log on the failing nodes?
[10:45] <davepigott> jamespage: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/861735/
[10:47] <davepigott> jamespage: But since nothing references nova-api on the other nodes, it won't make a huge amount of difference
[10:55] <jamespage> davepigott, OK - so I'll paste the config from our functional lab - it might help
[10:55] <jamespage> Compute nodes - http://paste.ubuntu.com/861749/
[10:56] <davepigott> jamespage: So compute nodes are different from the main one?
[10:57] <davepigott> jamespage: In terms of nova.conf I mean
[10:58] <jamespage> davepigott, and the cloud controller - http://paste.ubuntu.com/861752/
[10:58] <jamespage> davepigott, yes they are
[10:59] <davepigott> jamespage: OK. Let me do a little comparison work. Thanks!
[10:59] <jamespage> please note that this config is for essex on precise so there will be quite alot different I suspect
[10:59] <davepigott> jamespage: Yep. Noted
[11:16] <linocisco> hi
[11:30] <lynxman> jamespage: ping
[11:31] <jamespage> lynxman, pong
[11:31] <lynxman> jamespage: would like to introduce you to bbcmicrocomputer
[11:31] <jamespage> lynxman, sure
[11:31] <lynxman> bbcmicrocomputer: jamespage is our java expert (author of http://javacruft.wordpress.com/)
[11:32] <lynxman> jamespage: feel introduced :)
[11:32] <jamespage> lynxman, ta
[11:32] <jamespage> hey bbcmicrocomputer
[11:32] <bbcmicrocomputer> jamespage, Hi, nice to meet you
[11:32]  * jamespage shakes hands
[11:33] <jamespage> bbcmicrocomputer, so lynxman tells me that you have a strong Java background?
[11:35] <Daviey> davepigott: so, on the other nodes.. did you set it to use ec2* from the compute ip address?
[11:35] <davepigott> Daviey: No. ec2* looks to the main server
[11:36] <Daviey> davepigott: make it = the compute node.. see how that works out
[11:36] <Daviey> (providing you have nova-api running!)
[11:36] <davepigott> Daviey: Yeah, I do. OK
[11:40] <bbcmicrocomputer> jamespage, yeah, although I keep it silent
[11:40] <davepigott> Daviey: Nope. Same deal. Can ping but not ssh
[11:41] <Daviey> davepigott: it's the euca-console-log which is more useful tbh
[11:42] <davepigott> Daviey: OK
[11:42] <davepigott> Daviey: One moment
[11:46] <davepigott> Daviey: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/861801/
[11:48] <Daviey> well that makes no sense
[11:50] <Daviey> davepigott: on the compute node, can you $ echo 1 | sudo tee /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[12:14] <davepigott> Daviey: Sorry - got a phone call. It gives me "1"
[12:15] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #943208 in sysstat (main) "package sysstat 10.0.3-1 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/943208
[12:33] <eutheria> i want to setup remote logging for my applications, would rsyslogd be up to the task?
[12:54] <TeTeT> eutheria: guess it depends what logging mechanism the applications use, but basically yes, rsyslogd can be used for remote logging
[12:54] <TeTeT> eutheria: there's a whitepaper on rsyslog at http://www.canonical.com/about-canonical/resources/white-papers
[12:56] <eutheria> i was going to use python's logging module
[12:59] <iclebyte> what are you guys using to analyse your logs ?
[13:06] <Daviey> davepigott: sorry, that enabled ip routing... see if that makes a difference.
[13:07] <davepigott> Daviey: Oh! OK. One moment
[13:44] <zul> morning
[13:47] <lynxman> zul: morning!
[13:47] <zul> hey lynxman
[13:53] <tgardner> smoser, I'm researching bug #943119 which led me to your bug #903897. what is your use case for aufs ?
[13:53] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 943119 in linux "aufs.ko missing from the Precise kernels" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/943119
[13:53] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 903897 in linux "-virtual kernel missing modules" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/903897
[13:55] <smoser> tgardner, i have no specific use case for aufs.
[13:55] <tgardner> smoser, you complained that it would break scripts that expect aufs.
[13:56] <smoser> i do think that Bogdan (opener of that bug) is probably not going to be alone
[13:56] <smoser> of course it will break things that use aufs.
[13:56] <smoser> it deleted a kernel function
[13:56] <tgardner> do you why overlayfs is inadequate?
[13:57] <tgardner> know why*
[13:57] <smoser> i completely understand you not wanting to support something that is not in mainline especially when there is a solution that is .
[13:57] <smoser> i suspect that its only inadequacy is that it has different interface to it.
[13:57] <tgardner> smoser, overlayfs is not mainline either, though its more likely to get that way then aufs
[13:57] <smoser> and things have been built (like this NAS that the guy mentioned) to use aufs.
[13:57] <davepigott> Daviey: No. Didn't make a difference. :(
[13:58] <smoser> tgardner, i suspect there will be more complains about it missing.
[13:58] <smoser> but i completely understand your position
[13:58] <smoser> and would probably make the same decision myself
[13:58] <tgardner> smoser, well, it turns out overlayfs doesn't do inotify correctly. things like 'tail -f' don't work. which is why I'm reexamining aufs
[13:59] <smoser> ah. well inotify is pretty important.
[13:59] <tgardner> indeed
[14:01] <smoser> tgardner, sorry i couldn't be more help.
[14:01] <tgardner> smoser, however, I'd be better armed with information if I had some specific cases where overlayfs is insufficient, and for which aufs solves the problem. apw is likely to fix the inotify bug, but I'd like to know what else is missing.
[14:01] <smoser> my guess is if you wait, others will tell you :)
[14:02] <tgardner> smoser, well, by then its a bit late
[14:02] <smoser> yeah.
[14:02] <smoser> maybe ask on ubuntu-devel ?
[14:02] <smoser> its at least a wider audience.
[14:02] <smoser> but nothing compared to the onslaught that we'll see soon.
[14:02] <tgardner> yeah, I guess thats a good place.
[14:03] <smoser> tgardner, you could cross post to ubuntu-cloud
[14:03] <smoser> or server
[14:03] <smoser> cloud might expose some use cases specifically
[14:03] <tgardner> smoser, I needed more email in my inbox
[14:04] <smoser> exactly.
[14:27] <hallyn> tgardner: gary_poster: ^ if tail -f doesn't work in overlayfs, that's gonna suck for the ephemeral containers whose rootfs is based on overlayfs
[14:27] <hallyn> (i'm surprised it hasn't shown up more, in fact, if it's that blatant)
[14:28] <tgardner> hallyn, it seems to be.. Andy is working on it, but he says the patches are pretty ugly.
[14:28] <hallyn> overlayfs was *so* clean before it actually needed to do things like LSM an inotify
[14:29] <tgardner> yeah.
[14:29] <hallyn> maybe it's time to take yet another look at valerie's mount stuff
[14:30] <tgardner> hallyn, unionfs is a ginormous patch set, and I don't think its fully coked yet
[14:30] <tgardner> cooked*
[14:30] <hallyn> it's been years since i looked at it
[14:30] <hallyn> but i did understand why overlayfs was so seductive
[14:30] <hallyn> (maybe still is - i
[14:30] <hallyn> i'll have to look at apw's patchset :)
[14:30] <tgardner> its much simpler. it at least works for the live CD use case
[14:31] <hallyn> stgraber: jjohansen: i think i'm going to add a 'lxc.lsmdomain' or somesuch config variable to do simplest possible per-container apparmor policies for now
[14:31] <hallyn> if not specified, it'll choose a default, ncie and tight one
[14:32] <hallyn> ubuntu templatse well generate per-container ones to customize cgroup controls
[14:32] <hallyn> (cgroups are the main reason i feel i need to do this)
[14:32] <hallyn> (would love for someone to say i shouldn't worry about that :)
[14:35] <gary_poster> hallyn, I don't have the scrollback; lemme see if I can find the online log, assuming there is one
[14:37] <gary_poster> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/02/29/%23ubuntu-server.txt doesn't show this yet
[14:53] <hallyn> gary_poster: sorry, just that overlayfs apparently doesn't support inotify, and tail -f doesn't work
[14:53] <hallyn> gary_poster: tgardner was looking for aufs use cases
[14:54] <hallyn> gary_poster: and I would have thought if tail -f didn't work in ephemeral containers, that would've bothered you by now :)
[14:54] <tgardner> hallyn, Leann is gonna send out an information request on ubuntu-devel.
[14:54] <hallyn> ok
[14:58] <SockPants> hi all
[14:59] <SockPants> i've attempted to install a gui on my server, but messed it up and i'd rather remove everything now. so, which packages do i remove to remove both gnome and unity completely?
[15:01] <Daviey> lynxman: How is that puppet branch progressing?
[15:01] <Daviey> :)
[15:02] <lynxman> Daviey: just messaged you in another channel ;)
[15:02] <lynxman> Daviey: all ready for review!
[15:02] <lynxman> Daviey: https://code.launchpad.net/~lynxman/ubuntu/precise/puppet/newupstream/+merge/95185
[15:04] <Daviey> lynxman: rocking
[15:05] <lynxman> Daviey: tested it and its working (on my servers)
[15:06] <lynxman> Daviey: did I tell you I'm running oneiric in prod? :)
[15:11] <Daviey> lynxman: No.. :)
[15:12] <Adri2000> zul: hi, what's the status of keystone for precise? I've seen MIR bugs and keystone light mentioned but no recent comments
[15:13] <zul> Adri2000: should be uploaded this week
[15:14] <Adri2000> keystone or keystone light? (actually I don't even know what's the status of this upstream). and it's going to main?
[15:17] <zul> keystone light has already been merged into keystone so it really doesnt matter at this point :)
[15:18] <gary_poster> hallyn, sorry, been having Precise issues on my desktop.  We only run our test command in overlayfs.  It is surprising that that limitation has not bitten us; it may be because we've been using a single subset of the tests to get everything else set up.  Maybe not wise.  We should hopefully have a full test run this week to examine.
[15:18] <Adri2000> zul: ok, didn't know that, thanks :)
[15:18] <gary_poster> maybe it would not bite us even in the entire test suite, but that does seem unlikely, given how much launchpad does and tests
[15:19] <hallyn> yeah
[15:19] <gary_poster> so, we know aufs works/worked
[15:20] <gary_poster> certainly it would be nice to have that as an option.  Since the inotify issue is already slated to be addressed that's promising, but I'll plan to have full test run results to look at the overlayfs situation
[15:20] <gary_poster> this week
[15:24] <hallyn> i think enabling aufs is a lot more work than justified by "it would be nice"  :)
[15:25] <hallyn> gary_poster: tgardner said an email will go to ubuntu-server asking for use cases
[15:26] <tgardner> hallyn, actually, we've been keeping up with aufs updates, but haven't tested it much.
[15:27] <hallyn> oh, ok, i figured it was a whole new porting effort
[15:27] <hallyn> though i recall bad bugs even in maverick
[15:28] <tgardner> hallyn, yep, bad bugs are my concern as well as soon as aufs sees any usage
[15:36] <hallyn> gah.  laptop froze AGAIN.
[15:36] <hallyn> i'm starting to think vim is causing it
[15:39] <lynxman> hallyn: vim is evil ;)
[15:41] <ogra_> yeah, better use oowriter !
[15:41]  * benji performs the sign of vim and kisses his vim necklace.
[15:42] <hallyn> vim is probably jsut too heavyweight.  back to ed
[15:42] <hallyn> that's not a bad idea
[15:43] <hallyn> rest of the day, i'm using ed!
[15:46] <hallyn> unfortunately, unlike yesterday, the pic i took with my phone of my screen isn't as clear so it's hard to retype
[15:47] <lynxman> hallyn: just use xxd like real men do
[15:47] <hallyn> xxd?
[15:48] <hallyn> oh
[15:48] <lynxman> hallyn: :)
[15:48] <zul> xxd = porn lite
[15:48] <hallyn> lol
[15:48] <hallyn> i'm just not sure i need hex for my emails...
[15:48] <hallyn> or porn
[15:48] <hallyn> my recipients might disagree i guess
[15:48] <lynxman> hallyn: I'm sure they'll be glad to hex translate your emails
[15:49] <hallyn> my content is worth it!
[15:49] <hallyn> all right, back to it.  <squints at pic on phone>
[15:52] <hallyn> (also playing some metal in case the laptop just got groggy adn fell asleep)
[15:55] <zul> hallyn: ooh what metal?
[15:58] <smoser> adam_g, i just updated bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/942865
[15:58] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 942865 in nova "upgrade from diablo leaves existing images with kernel unbootable" [Undecided,New]
[15:59] <smoser> it seems like generically, you can't make an ec2 published image public if it has a kernel and ramdisk.
[15:59] <smoser> so, rbasak until we get that fixed, i can't make public lucid images.
[16:03] <hallyn> zul: right now volbeat, for some lighter fare
[16:03] <zul> hallyn: never heard of them
[16:03] <hallyn> might have to switch tos omething heavier, laptop is dozing
[16:04] <zul> lol
[16:04] <zul> laptop or hallyn is dozing
[16:04] <hallyn> zul: you don't care about non-libvirt lxc right?
[16:05] <zul> hallyn: i dont
[16:05] <hallyn> k
[16:13] <Adri2000> zul: if you're going to upload python-keystoneclient, can I give you bug #934064 ?
[16:13] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 934064 in python-keystoneclient "Installing openstack-dashboard on Precise removes Keystone package" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/934064
[16:14] <zul> Adri2000: yes that will be fixed when the new keystone is uploaded
[16:14] <Adri2000> bug assigned :)
[16:51] <diogo_79> hi guys
[16:52] <diogo_79> what can i use for newsletter management in ubuntu server?
[16:54] <rbasak> diogo_79: do you know about mailchimp et al? They're web services, not ubuntu server. But sending out email newsletters is a complicated fast moving game, due to kickback from spam filters and suchlike. It may be easiest to use such a service. For a simple mailing list manager, you could use mailman which is packaged on ubuntu server I believe
[16:54] <jcastro> jamespage: scale of 1 to 10 how complete do you consider the hbase charm?
[16:55] <jamespage> jcastro, hmm - about 7 ATM
[16:55] <jamespage> working on it ATM
[16:55] <jamespage> it currently broken :-(
[16:57] <jcastro> don't need it now, just wondering if when people ask about our hbase story I can say "we're on it."
[17:02] <jamespage> jcastro, quack quack oops - it would help if it was actually pointing at HDFS
[17:02]  * jamespage faceplants
[17:02] <jamespage> jcastro, we are definately on it
[17:17] <hggdh> Daviey: ping
[17:26] <smoser> jamespage, still around ?
[17:26] <smoser> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/ec2%20AMI%20Testing/view/Overview/job/precise-server-ec2/4/
[17:26] <adam_g> zul: did you already merge the debian stuff into the CI packaging branches?
[17:26] <smoser> the two red dots failed similarly. the instance failed to start.
[17:27] <zul> adam_g: yeah did it this morning
[17:27] <adam_g> zul: er
[17:27] <adam_g> zul: [ERROR] Failed charm: nova-compute, state: install_error
[17:27] <zul> adam_g:meaning....?
[17:27] <smoser> the one thing i don't undertsand though is https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/ec2%20AMI%20Testing/view/Overview/job/precise-server-ec2/4/ARCH=i386,REGION=ap-northeast-1,STORAGE=ebs,TEST=all-types,label=ubuntu-server-ec2-testing/console
[17:27] <smoser> that has 'failed to copy' for cloud-init-output.log
[17:30] <hggdh> Daviey: bug 943000
[17:30] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 943000 in cobbler "update to system fails with  Exception value: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'os_version'" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/943000
[17:30] <Daviey> hggdh: hola
[17:30] <Daviey> nicceee
[17:30] <hggdh> Daviey: I hope you are doing good, sir, and sorry to dump yet another one on you
[17:30] <adam_g> zul: meaning nova-compute had some problem installing. looking at logs now
[17:32] <adam_g> zul: http://paste.ubuntu.com/862208/
[17:32] <adam_g> zul: it looks like installing nova-compute-kvm didn't install nova-compute, and there was no upstart job
[17:33] <zul> adam_g: k ill have another look
[17:33] <adam_g> zul: installing nova-compute manually seems to have gotten it started, but i havent looked any closer
[17:36] <zul> adam_g: http://paste.ubuntu.com/862214/
[17:36] <zul> does the juju charms just go apt-get install nova-compute-kvm?
[17:40] <hallyn> drat, hard kernel crash while doing nested kvm
[17:42] <jamespage> smoser: thats OK - its the collect_data script trying to grab everything - but for that test cloud-init is not used I think
[17:43] <jMCg>   * Starting Userspace bootsplash                                         [ OK ]
[17:43] <jMCg> How do I get rid of that? I'm pretty and sure my servers won't need that.
[17:47] <adam_g> zul: yes
[17:49] <adam_g> zul: or potentially any of the other nova-compute-$flavor types
[17:49] <zul> adam_g: ack
[17:50] <smoser> jamespage, ah. yeah, i just noticed that
[17:52] <jamespage> smoser: looks like it failed to reboot for some reason - where both failures the same?
[17:54] <smoser> jamespage, are there logs available more verbose than console ?
[17:55] <jamespage> smoser: the build artifacts for that job should have more info - but for some reason the terminated console has nothing in it
[17:55] <jamespage> same with the other
[17:55] <smoser> right.
[17:55] <smoser> as in it dididn't start
[17:55] <jamespage> the stopped log is OK
[17:56] <jamespage> but it looks like those instances never started again
[17:56] <zul> adam_g: what machine that nova-compute failed on?
[17:57] <smoser> right.
[17:58] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #941922 in puppet (main) "do-release-upgrade races puppet for file contents" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/941922
[17:58] <smoser> yeah, so it basically looks like they stopped but never started.
[17:58] <smoser> but i can't see any thing more than that.
[17:59] <smoser> ie, i dont knwo if test harness tried to start once, that call failed for some transient reason, and then it never tried again
[18:00] <adam_g> zul: test-03
[18:02] <smoser> although, i guess that the self.instance.connection.start_instances would have raised an error if it fialed for some reason
[18:02] <zul> adam_g: i see alot of connection rejected from rabbitmq in nova-network
[18:05] <smoser> so, jamespage i can only think that there is a failure in the test case, but i have very little information to go on.
[18:15] <zul> adam_g: its not obvious to me what would go wrong
[18:27] <adam_g> zul: it looks like none of the nova-compute-$flavors have a dependency on nova-compute any more
[18:27] <zul> adam_g: thats what i thought
[18:27] <zul> adam_g: ill fix that up tout suite
[18:28] <adam_g> zul: which i imagine they actually need considering all of the dependencies of nova-compute (iscsi, kpartx, etc)
[18:28] <zul> adam_g: do you want to fix that or do you want to fix it
[18:30] <adam_g> zul: what is the solution, just add nova-compute as a Depends of all of the nova-compute-$flavors?
[18:31] <zul> adam_g: yes
[18:31] <adam_g> zul: whats the point of nova-compute-hypervisor? and shouldn't it (and nova-compute-kvm) be dropped from nova-compute Depends?
[18:32] <zul> adam_g: im not sure i think its a meta-package type deal i think it can be dropped because no one uses it i think
[18:32] <adam_g> mm
[18:45] <savid> I'm curious, how does one typically avoid downtime due to automated disk checks?  eg, "/dev/sda1 has gone 345 days without being checked, check forced"   Do most sysadmins just see that as a "fact of life"?
[18:50] <patdk-lap> savid, just don't use *ext?*
[18:51] <savid> patdk-lap, heh, well I'm using cloud servers (rackspace), so I don't think I have much of a choice there.  besides, are there better alternatives to ext*?
[18:52] <patdk-lap> heh, I've gone all vm's
[18:52] <patdk-lap> but none of my *server* has more than 4gigs of disk formatted ext4
[18:52] <patdk-lap> so check times are only a min or two
[18:53] <patdk-lap> my last system, I'm moving over to zfs, has 58Million files in <300gigs of space
[18:53] <patdk-lap> that took a day to fsck
[18:55] <savid> what fs do you use for your vm's?
[18:55] <adam_g> zul: i believe  e4 marks the opening of the folsom branch, so we'll need to adjust our scripts to pull from the essex branch instead of master? or we'll need to come up with a way of testing both
[18:55] <patdk-lap> ext4
[18:56] <savid> I see, so you just keep each instance small so that fsck's are short
[18:56] <zul> adam_g: i havent thought that far yet do we care about the folsom branch right now? if we dont we can open up the bzr branches for folsom and then stick everything in a ppa and continue on with essex for now
[18:57] <zul> right now i dont care about folsom imho
[18:58] <adam_g> zul: since we dont need to mess with switching ubuntu releases between essex + folsom, i think it'd be easy enough to test post-commit, if we had seperate local dpkg repos for each release. we need to also remember to use the essex branch instead of master when doing the upload on friday
[18:58] <adam_g> zul: at least i *think* the branches split today, i could be making that up
[18:58] <zul> adam_g: agreed
[18:59] <zul> ill have to find out from mtaylor how they are going to do the tarballs
[19:01] <zul> and ask ttx some questions
[19:06] <zul> adam_g: im thinking lp:~u-s-d/$proj/essex will branch lp:~u-s-d/$proj/folsom and any fixes in essex can be merged into folsom but im not sure how to handle the tarballs yet
[19:06] <kwolf> Looking for some assistance with SOLR and NUTCH with 11.10...  Anyone with some experience?
[19:06] <zul> (ie weekly snapshot)
[19:21] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #943502 in whois (main) "whois doesn't properly query .hr/.sx/.pe TLDs and incorrect format for whois.arin.net" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/943502
[19:43] <adam_g> zul: ping
[19:43] <zul> adam_g: yo
[19:44] <adam_g> zul: all this xcp stuff needs to go
[19:44] <adam_g> its all universe
[19:44] <zul> adam_g: huh?
[19:44] <zul> adam_g: yeah the binaries can go into universe
[19:46] <zul> adam_g: dont worry about it
[19:46] <esuave> anyone know of a good server monitoring tool to use with ubuntu? shows server load etc.. something besides top
[19:47] <adam_g> zul: what do you mean?
[19:47] <PrinceKapHot> Hi there ! I'm having trouble with postgresql, I can connect to <IP_ADDRESS> but not the local IP address of the server. I think postgresql is configured correctly for remote connections, but are there other things I need to configure in Ubuntu ?
[19:47] <adam_g> zul: nova-compute-xcp depends on python-xapi. nova-compute-xcp goes into universe?
[19:47] <esuave> PrinceKapHot: make sure you are listening for incoming connections on the outside
[19:47] <zul> adam_g: source have to be in main but binaries can be either in main or universe
[19:47] <zul> adam_g: correct
[19:48] <adam_g> zul: oh, okay
[19:48] <PrinceKapHot> esuave : I followed guides to configure postgresql so it does that, but is there a way to check it is listening correctly ? I don't know many commands in Ubuntu...
[19:49] <esuave> PrinceKapHot: netstat -an |grep LISTEN.. look for the port its listening on.
[19:51] <esuave> PrinceKapHot: port 5432 should be default.. you will see something like <IP_ADDRESS>:5432
[19:51] <PrinceKapHot> esuave : there is <IP_ADDRESS>:5432, and ::1:5432, nothing else for this port. I guess it's not listening correctly on the right addresses then ?
[19:52] <esuave> PrinceKapHot: right. its only listening locally
[19:53] <PrinceKapHot> esuave: okay thanks. I'll check my postgresql configuration then (again !)
[19:53] <esuave> PrinceKapHot: exactly. check in postgresql.conf there should be a listen_address somewhere in there
[19:55] <PrinceKapHot> esuave: well, I already put that to '*', and restarted the server, but it doesn't seem to be working even though the documentation says it's an option
[19:56] <PrinceKapHot> esuave : all right my mistake : after opening the file for the hundreth time I just noticed the line was commented out...
[19:56] <esuave> PrinceKapHot: :P. nice!
[19:57] <adam_g> zul: https://code.launchpad.net/~gandelman-a/nova/debian-merge/+merge/95253
[19:57] <zul> adam_g: cool ill merge that into debian-merge and then merge into the essex branch
[19:57] <PrinceKapHot> esuave: still not working... But now I'm getting the <IP_ADDRESS>:5432 in netstat at least
[19:59] <esuave> PrinceKapHot: do you have IP tables running?
[20:00] <esuave> PrinceKapHot: sudo iptables -L
[20:01] <PrinceKapHot> esuave: "command not found", I thought this might be the problem at first, so I installed it, added some rules, then removed the rules and removed it.
[20:02] <esuave> PrinceKapHot: try to telnet to the machine on that port..: telnet <serverIP> <port>
[20:06] <PrinceKapHot> esuave: I'm currently on windows, I have a bunch of videos to convert. I tried it with putty, but I'm getting "connexion refused", things like that. I'll reboot under Ubuntu, the command line sucks in Windows
[20:12] <PrinceKapHot> esuave: so, I'm getting "Connection refused" from telnet
[20:12] <esuave> PrinceKapHot: ok so theres something external from your server that is dropping the connection to that port
[20:13] <esuave> PrinceKapHot: do you have any kind of firewall in front of it? or router?
[20:14] <PrinceKapHot> esuave: The server is in a server room, and the administrators listed me the authorized connections, and postgres on 5432 was one of those
[20:16] <esuave> PrinceKapHot: well tell them admins that your listening on port 5432.. but the connection is getting dropped before it hits the server.
[20:17] <esuave> PrinceKapHot: otherwise if you do : netstat -an |grep 5432 and see it listening on <IP_ADDRESS>:5432.. your set up to listen for external connections
[20:18] <PrinceKapHot> esuave: right... But couldn't the server be dropping the connection because of some settings ?
[20:19] <esuave> PrinceKapHot: well you said there were no iptables running.. do you have any other software firewall running on the server?
[20:20] <PrinceKapHot> esuave: I don't think so... But there could be problems in the allowed connections in pg_hba.conf
[20:20] <esuave> PrinceKapHot: that is also possible
[20:21] <esuave> PrinceKapHot: but i would think you would still be able to telnet to that port if it were opened and listening
[20:22] <PrinceKapHot> esuave: right, and get an error message or something. I'll ask the server room administrators tomorrow, thanks !
[20:23] <esuave> PrinceKapHot: sure np!
[20:23] <PrinceKapHot> esuave: and maybe ask on #postgresql too, they might have more information (even though you helped a lot already)
[20:24] <esuave> PrinceKapHot: yes! that would be a good place to ask more :)
[20:27] <RoyK> hi all. I'm testing a two-node setup with kvm on ubuntu lucid (10.04.4LTS-64) and it works well, migrating VMs between the nodes is easy and so on. But - a few things: Starting a VM on node #2 doesn't seem to work until the VM has been migrated there and out again, and even worse, there doesn't seem to be a check for if a VM is running somewhere else, meaning if I start VM xyz on node A and then on node B, it runs happily unaware of that it's sharing its
[20:37] <adam_g> zul: can you hit this one quick, it feel thru the cracks: https://code.launchpad.net/~gandelman-a/nova/py-iso8601/+merge/95255
[20:39] <zul> adam_g: done
[20:39] <zul> adam_g: thank you for your contribution to ubuntu ;)
[20:40] <roaksoax> lol
[20:41] <adam_g> zul: <3
[20:41] <RoyK> am I doing something wrong here, or is the repo fscked?
[20:41] <RoyK> root@xenamd10:~# add-apt-repository ppa:sanlock
[20:41] <RoyK> Error: can't find signing_key_fingerprint at https://launchpad.net/api/1.0/~sanlock/+archive/ppa
[20:45] <guntbert> RoyK: you are defintely doing something wrong - but that has no bearing on your key issue  ("root@xenamd10"  :-))
[20:46] <soren> RoyK: Yes.
[20:46] <RoyK> guntbert: what should be wrong about that?
[20:46] <soren> RoyK: There's no such user.
[20:46] <RoyK> erm. ok :P
[20:46] <soren> RoyK: https://launchpad.net/~sanlock
[20:46] <soren> see for yourself.
[20:46]  * RoyK fetches the sanlock source
[20:48]  * SpamapS would love to see some testing of the b1 candidate .. http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/208/builds/12749/testcases
[21:31] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #943599 in tomcat6 (main) "[lucid] tomcat6 does not include tomcat-dbcp.jar" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/943599
[21:38] <nagyz> hi guys
[21:38] <nagyz> I'm trying to build my own EC2 Oneiric images based on https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-on-ec2/vmbuilder/automated-ec2-builds
[21:38] <nagyz> could someone help me out there? the script here is not really in an easily digestible format
[21:39] <SpamapS> nagyz: any reason you don't want to just rebundle the official images?
[21:40] <nagyz> haven't found an up-to-date docs on how I could create my own snapshot of the snapshot used by the official ec2 images
[21:40] <nagyz> but if you can give me pointers I'm fine with that method too
[21:41] <alex-> Is it true that the Ubuntu kernel is modified for server usage?
[21:41] <afernandez> Hello, I have a trouble with postfix logs, I configure the log rotation in logrotate.d folder then postfix is not saving nothin in mail.conf
[21:44] <nagyz> SpamapS do you know of a guide describing the steps I should take to do that?
[21:47] <SpamapS> nagyz: http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/faqs/#How_do_I_load_and_store_my_systems_with_Amazon_EC2
[21:47] <nagyz> SpamapS I know about AMIs, and I've even managed to create my own S3 based one. I just specifically want to modify the ubuntu cloud images posted by canonical
[21:47] <nagyz> there should be an easy way to do that
[21:48] <nagyz> how can this be closed off as wontfix? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vm-builder/+bug/576501
[21:48] <nagyz> gosh
[21:48] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 576501 in vm-builder "vmbuilder doesn't recognize --ec2 flag" [Wishlist,Won't fix]
[21:49] <nagyz> it's listed in the official wiki as how it should be used, yet that doesn't work
[21:51] <SpamapS> nagyz: I believe we use something different to create those cloud images now
[21:51] <SpamapS> nagyz: "official wiki" ? can you share the link?
[21:52] <SpamapS> utlemming: ^^ can you comment on how nagyz could get started building his own cloud images?
[21:52] <nagyz> well, this is a description: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EC2Vmbuilder
[21:52] <nagyz> and I'm currently trying to set this one up: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/UbuntuCloud/Images/Publishing
[21:53] <nagyz> but it's pretty, well, outdated it seems
[21:53] <nagyz> (hardy, maverick...)
[21:53] <SpamapS> nagyz: right, I believe the process has changed some
[22:05] <Daviey> adam_g: is bug 942865 likely to me another migration issue?, where the rename isn't being cared for?
[22:05] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 942865 in nova "upgrade from diablo leaves existing images with kernel unbootable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/942865
[22:05] <Daviey> (smoser ^)
[22:14] <soren> smoser: Is there a simple way from the kernel command line to tell cloud-init to go fetch a cloud-config file from a url?
[22:21] <onekenthomas> safe way for middle mouse button emulation on 11.10-- editing 50-synaptic.conf creates boot hangs?
[22:22] <soren> onekenthomas: Wrong channel.
[22:22] <onekenthomas> compared to?
[22:23] <EvilResistance> onekenthomas, try #ubuntu
[22:23] <onekenthomas> yeah right.
[22:23] <EvilResistance> whats wrong with #ubuntu?
[22:23] <EvilResistance> its the place for the GUI version of Ubuntu's questoins
[22:24] <onekenthomas> #ubuntu is dominated by people who installed yesterday discussing whether they'll go back to Windows next week
[22:24] <EvilResistance> well then you're SOL, because #ubuntu-server is for server-related questions
[22:24] <onekenthomas> I've yet to find anyone who would have a clue about a question ...
[22:24] <EvilResistance> not GUI-Ubuntu questions
[22:24] <onekenthomas> I can't run a server with a GUI :) ?
[22:25] <EvilResistance> then post on the forums or on AskUbuntu
[22:25] <Canadian1296> onekenthomas: Ask again in #ubuntu. There are knowledgeable people there.
[22:25] <EvilResistance> and have patience
[22:26] <Canadian1296> onekenthomas: Of course you can run a server with a GUI, but if the question related the the server software ask here, of it relates to said GUI, ask in #ubuntu.
[22:27] <onekenthomas> Canadian1296,  no offense,  I'll post in forums if I have to.  the current channel structure doesn't work.  GUI/non-GUI is an odd,  rather arbitrary differentiation.
[22:28] <afernandez> umm I made a question about postfix in ubuntu, but nobody answer or interested about my question, but for say not ask it in this channel all people get alive
[22:28] <Canadian1296> onekenthomas: Well both GUI and non-GUI, you should use #ubuntu. If it is server related ask here
[22:28] <adam_g> Daviey: im not sure that it is, according to that report the bug is still there with a fresh devstack
[22:29] <qman___> onekenthomas, that's the one of only a handful of differences between server and desktop
[22:29]  * onekenthomas has his own channels to run
[22:29] <qman___> and installing the GUI installs a bunch of extra things, like network maanger, which change everything
[22:29] <Canadian1296> afernandez: try #postfix
[22:30] <onekenthomas> which GUI :P ?
[22:30] <qman___> installing a GUI on a server is also a not-recommended-thing, and should only be done in certain circumstances
[22:30] <onekenthomas> da da da
[22:31] <Daviey> adam_g: oh?  I misread the bug then.. i thought it was the aki id changed after upgrade, and the mapping got skewed?
[22:46] <adam_g> Daviey: the original report sounds that way, but later scott reproduced the issue using essex/devstack with no upgrad
[22:46] <Daviey> ah
[22:46] <Daviey> crap.
[23:11] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #943664 in openldap (main) "package slapd 2.4.21-0ubuntu5.7 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: subprocess new pre-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/943664
[23:34] <Canadian1296> Im trying to set up a VPN server (l2tp through IPSec, using openswan and xl2tpd), and ran into a problem. Should I ask here, or is there a channel better suited to my question?
[23:46] <SpamapS> Canadian1296: a lot of people prefer openvpn for its simplicity over ipsec/l2tp ... any reason you're choosing that?
[23:47] <Canadian1296> SpamapS: Yes, I require l2tp over IPSec to connect from my iPhone.
[23:51] <Canadian1296> I am testing the ipsec portion of it, and I should be getting connected in the servers logs, but im getting errors (cannot respond to ipsec sa request because no connection is known


[08:28] <alonswartz> smoser, ec2 folks: heard the news? Amazon now offer AWS free usage tier: http://aws.amazon.com/free/
[12:20] <kim0> When it says "Beginning November 1, new AWS customers will be able to run a free Amazon EC2 Micro Instance for a year"
[12:20] <kim0> Does that mean old customers won't ?
[12:22] <daker> congrat kim0 !!
[12:22] <kim0> daker: hey thanks man :)
[14:11] <smoser> 10 GB of Amazon Elastic Block Storage, plus 1 million I/Os, 1 GB of snapshot storage, 10,000 snapshot Get Requests and 1,000 snapshot Put Requests*
[14:11] <smoser> its almost as if they explicitly decided to charge users of default ubuntu images.
[14:11] <smoser> :-(
[14:14] <alonswartz> smoser: and it's only for new AWS accounts...
[14:15] <smoser> well, thats easy enough to come up with
[14:15] <smoser> i think it just requires an email address, maybe a creditcard.
[14:15] <alonswartz> yes, so why inconvenience us?
[14:19] <smoser> its a move in special
[14:19] <smoser> same as "free inbound data"
[14:20] <smoser> just like at the apartment complex when they give you 1 month free your first year, then they raise the rates when your lease is up.
[14:20] <smoser> there is pain to leave, and you're already there, so you just pay it.
[14:20] <smoser> what is really interesting to me is the amazon linux ebs amis have 15G disk
[14:21] <smoser> so even *those* will charge people 0.50 / month
[14:21] <smoser> its cheap, but i would think it will appear to a lot of people as unexpected
[17:06] <patrickw> Anyone out there running oracle on ubuntu vms?  I'm trying to virtualize our development environments (glassfish + opensso + oracle) and after working my ass off to get gf + opensso to work I've discovered oracle may be an even bigger pita (for completely different reasons)...  Am I better off going with CentOS VMs?
[17:07] <flaccid> probably best to make your own oracle vm
[17:07] <flaccid> well, not necessarily an image
[17:08] <flaccid> i might be able to pull up some stuff if you run into problems
[17:10] <patrickw> roll a vm using what as a base?  I'm really not familiar with oracle at all, I need to talk to my "engineering" team but this is a *cough* gov't subcontract and our "engineers" aren't really *nix gurus
[17:11] <flaccid> you start by installing oracle
[18:28] <smoser> Daviey, ping
[18:28] <Daviey> smoser: o/
[18:28] <smoser> i stumbled across an easy way to do ebs root
[18:29] <smoser> on uec
[18:29] <smoser> does uec support booting with '--block-device-mapping' ?
[18:29] <smoser> i think it doesnt
[18:31] <smoser> if it did, then we could just create a loader that attempted to chainload or multiboot load off of a different device than (hd0,1)
[18:33] <Daviey> smoser: it makes sense, and seems like a proper way to do it
[18:33] <smoser> Daviey, do you know if it does support block device mapping and attaching a snapshot at boot ?
[18:33] <smoser> it would be very easy if it does
[18:33] <Daviey> i have nfi
[18:33] <Daviey> it is worth noting that euca's current development version is aiming to achieve ebs root.
[18:34] <Daviey> but if we could get that to work with lucid and maverick that would be NICE
[18:35] <smoser> the loader based way owuldn't work on lucid
[18:35] <Daviey> ah yes
[18:35] <smoser> but we could/can come up with a solution there, basically an ami pivot-root image.
[18:36] <smoser> kernel matching might be an issue there
[18:36] <Daviey> smoser: I think i'd actually recommend people use maverick in production over lucid tbh. :)
[18:36] <smoser> which we would have botten away with in the loader route
[18:36] <smoser> maverick euca is much nicer, i agree.
[18:37] <smoser> did you see http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~smoser/%2Bjunk/uec-on-ec2/annotate/head%3A/maverick-commands.txt ?
[18:37]  * Daviey look
[18:37] <Daviey> s
[18:38] <Daviey> ah nice!
[18:38] <Daviey> Looking forward to trying that next week
[18:39] <smoser> it "just works". really smooth. user-data, boot, poof! uec-on-ec2
[18:41] <smoser> i thought about this bootloader solution when i stumbled upon this bug:
[18:41] <smoser> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/+bug/665235


[00:06] <Eddard414> I have mac VMware running kubuntu everytime the desktop restarts my desktop resolution resets to 800x600 anyway I can fix this?
[00:09] <qbit> take a look at man vboxmanage
[00:10] <qbit> might be something like: VBoxManage setextradata global GUI/MaxGuestResolution any
[00:10] <skreech_> uberdub: I don't know. Suspend to RAM didn't work for me till 11.10
[00:10] <qbit> or something along those lines.....
[00:11] <uberdub> I dunno, it works in 10.04
[00:12] <uberdub> this is a laptop, I need suspend
[00:12] <uberdub> it worked for a little while in 11.04
[00:13] <uberdub> so no one knows?
[00:13] <uberdub> this is a laptop, suspend is necessary
[00:13] <uberdub> I really dont want to put windows on here, because the community was inept
[00:14] <uberdub> I guess I could down grade to 10.04 again
[00:21] <skreech_> uberdub: what breaks?
[00:23] <wissam> Hi , i have linux mint 12 kde ,i've tried to install nvidia driver via "additional driver" but i get an error message so i installed nvidia driver using apt-get but when i reboot i get a black screen
[00:24] <wissam> when i delete Xorg.conf file and reboot i get a bad resolution
[00:24] <wissam> any help please ?
[00:26] <wissam> i have nvidia Geforce 9400
[00:31] <uberdub> skreech_ suspend to ram freezes system
[00:31] <skreech_> It wont' suspend or it won't resume from suspend?
[00:31] <uberdub> both I guess
[00:32] <uberdub> maybe thats just the screen saver though
[00:32] <skreech_> Hmm?
[00:32] <uberdub> if i click sleep, it freezes everything
[00:32] <uberdub> same if i close the lid
[00:32] <skreech_> wissam: which driver?
[00:32] <skreech_> uberdub: as soon as you click sleep?
[00:33] <uberdub> I dont understand why it works in 10.04, and in 11.04 til it was updated
[00:33] <uberdub> yes
[00:34] <wissam> skreech_: i don't know :/ nvidia-current is the name of th package
[00:34] <skreech_> wissam: Ah of course
[00:34] <skreech_> uberdub: Not sure either.  Only they can update/develop it.
[00:38] <skreech_> ubuntulog: You can use 10.04 if that works
[00:39] <uberdub> yeah thats fine for flash, but not bugs in sleep
[00:39] <skreech_> wissam: and that doesn't work when you restart X ?
[00:39] <wissam> skreech_: No just a black screen
[00:39] <uberdub> complain to adobe, and chase my tail. lol
[00:39] <skreech_> wissam: no login
[00:39] <uberdub> that will get me far
[00:39] <skreech_> uberdub: It's a kernel or driver issue
[00:40] <skreech_> that's the realm of #ubuntu-server
[00:40] <wissam> skreech_: No
[00:40] <uberdub> ok, its their realm, but they will just kick me out?
[00:40] <skreech_> but somehow Idon't think they care that much about server's sleeping. I've never had much luck debugging acpi but they may be able to help in that respect at least
[00:41] <skreech_> uberdub: I'd probably guess it's something stupid like a cheat code needed but I don't know enough to wager a guess
[00:41] <uberdub> this has been going on for over a year. really getting old
[00:41] <skreech_> wissam: do you have any errors in the ~/.xsession-errors ?
[00:41] <uberdub> id like to be able to run something past 10.04
[00:42] <skreech_> uberdub: ask in #ubuntu-server then
[00:43] <uberdub> hopefully some one alive in there
[00:44] <wissam> skreech_: No, nothing about nvidia
[00:45] <skreech_> wissam: how about /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[00:48] <wissam> skreech_:I'll try to add Option "UseDisplayDevice" "CRT-1" in xorg.conf
[00:49] <skreech_> Hmm
[00:49] <skreech_> OK
[00:49] <wissam> skreech_: Unable to find any of the requested display device "" in the list of available display devices "CRT-1"
[00:50] <skreech_> CRT-1 is the name of the device ?
[00:51] <wissam> skreech_: I don't know newbie here
[00:51] <skreech_> Ah where did you get the name CRT-1 from ?
[00:52] <wissam> skreech_: from /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[00:52] <skreech_> What was the line?
[00:54] <wissam> skreech_: 5.452] (WW) NVIDIA(0): Unable to find any of the requested display device "" in the
[00:54] <wissam> skreech_: 5.452] (WW) NVIDIA(0):     list of available display devices "CRT-1".
[00:56] <wissam> skreech_: thnx i'll try this now : Option "UseDisplayDevice" "CRT-1"
[01:09] <uberdub> IDK this must be a kernel issue
[01:12] <skreech_> genii: ping
[01:12] <genii> skreech_: Pong
[01:13] <skreech_> genii: are there any tools to figure out things like what is happening when a sleep command is issued?
[01:14] <genii> skreech_: The scripts are all in the acpi directory
[01:14] <skreech_> locate acpi ?
[01:14] <skreech_> uberdub is having the machine lock up as soon as you click suspend
[01:15] <genii> skreech_: sleep, hibernate, etc scripts are all in /etc/acpi
[01:15] <genii> skreech_: So whatever is in /etc/acpi/sleep.sh is what is being executed
[01:16] <uberdub> so what has changed in there since 10.04 lts?
[01:16] <skreech_> Seems like a kernel issue to me but I don't know enough to decide if that's a acpi issue or a driver issue or a cheat code thing. I don't even know how to figure out how to rule out the possibilities
[01:18] <uberdub> ksystemlog gives this for component acpi: PCI Interrupt Link [AAZA] enabled at IRQ 23
[01:19] <uberdub> all I can find
[01:21] <uberdub> this too Video Device [IGPU] (multi-head: yes rom: no post: no)
[01:24] <skreech_> which post is that?
[01:27] <uberdub> I found all the acpi logs and have them here: http://pastebin.com/9xTeE83f
[01:40] <skreech_> Hmm
[01:41] <skreech_> deprecated powerProcFS?
[01:41] <uberdub> yeah IDK, beyond my scope.
[01:42] <uberdub> I can copy what my etc/acpi/sleep.sh says
[01:42] <uberdub> I havent scripted anything since the 80's
[01:43] <skreech_> I would suppose running it with a sh -x > ~/sleeplog would work
[01:51] <uberdub> skreech_ ?
[01:51] <shailesh> I have installed Evolution recently and tried to import google contacts into Evolution. But I am getting the following error: This address book can not be opened. It either means that incorrect URI was entered or the server is unreachable. Detailed error message, can not open address book. Source already loaded.
[01:52] <skreech_> sudo sh -x /etc/acpi/sleep.sh 2>&1 > ~/sleeplog
[01:53] <skreech_> shailesh: #ubuntu would help a lot more with that
[02:02] <uberdub> skreech_  is that to exucute it ro check the log?
[02:03] <skreech_> uberdub: That will execute it with a verbose tracking and then create a log in the home directory so if it freezes up you can see what's going on
[02:03] <uberdub> ok, ran it
[02:03] <skreech_> At least it will give you what's happening and possibly where it's causing the freeze
[02:06] <uberdub> this is what it gave in terminal: http://pastebin.com/TsK0cpp7
[02:07] <uberdub> so try to sleep now, and see if it works, and if not check the log?
[02:11] <skreech_> uberdub: What laptop is this?
[02:13] <uberdub> hp mini 311 1000-nr
[02:15] <skreech_> Ah right so it discovered that corerctly
[02:16] <uberdub> yeahb saw that
[02:19] <skreech_> seems to be missing something though
[02:19] <uberdub> you find something?
[02:20] <skreech_> well it finds the powermanagement user
[02:20] <skreech_> It sets a variable
[02:21] <skreech_> then echoes 0 and exits
[02:21] <uberdub> right..
[02:21] <skreech_> I'm not seeing where it actually goes to sleep
[02:21] <uberdub> I wondered that at the end too, cause it doesnt
[02:21] <uberdub> its as if there is a script missing or something?
[02:22] <skreech_> well the sh -x will not show the entire script. Just the parts that it's attempting to run
[02:22] <skreech_> So you are seeing a subset of the script
[02:23] <uberdub> ah ok
[02:25] <frogonwheels> Repeat question.  I'm having xserver crashes running minecraft (which is java), it seems to be to do with the client not the server though:
[02:25] <skreech_> uberdub: grep blank /etc/acpi/sleep.sh
[02:26] <frogonwheels> Machine A -> A:0  (ie program running on machine A, and displaying on screen A:0)  crashes A:0.   A->B:0   crashes B:0 ....   B->A:0 doesn't crash and B->B:0 doesn't crash!
[02:26] <uberdub> k, one sec skreech_
[02:27] <uberdub> uberdub@HAL3000:~/Documents$  grep blank /etc/acpi/sleep.sh
[02:27] <uberdub> 		. /usr/share/acpi-support/screenblank
[02:27] <frogonwheels> if anybody has an idea whether I should be asking on xorg or java forums.. or minecraft or what!?
[02:28] <frogonwheels> Tried both OpenJDK and sun Java with same crash
[02:29] <Nicekiwi> frogonwheels: which version of Minecraft? and what graphics driver are you using?
[02:31] <skreech_> uberdub: Hmm what's in that file?
[02:32] <skreech_> frogonwheels: any logs?
[02:32] <uberdub> Ill check
[02:33] <skreech_> Mine is using a ATI specific tool to blank the screen
[02:34] <uberdub> skreech_ its a text file
[02:34] <skreech_> I'm aware
[02:34] <frogonwheels> skreech_: I'll pull together a pastebin.
[02:34] <skreech_> Thansk
[02:36] <uberdub> this is the text of the file. http://pastebin.com/aKJimUTr
[03:03] <uberdub> skreech_ any idea?
[03:04] <skreech_> Well it has the same text as mine. It's running some test for power management scripts and the environment. IT's found you laptop and the environment that it's in. Far as I can tell it shoudl be running a lock script but something is missing that's not doing that.
[03:05] <skreech_> Course this is on the run that we are doing now. udev is kicking in and locking your screen but I don't know if that's doing any tests or if it's just kicked off by the powerdevil
[03:06] <uberdub> oh
[03:07] <uberdub> bbiaf errands.
[03:08] <uberdub> I get the feeling this is gonna take a while to figure out. I really dont want to run windows, but this is my only computer currently.
[03:41] <frogonwheels> I got sidetracked,  http://paste.kde.org/501146/  ( tag skreech_  )
[03:43] <frogonwheels> skreech_: if you can think of any other information that might be useful to aid diagnosis.. let me know.  They're both pretty much up-to-date package-wise
[03:43] <skreech_> Yeah that's a video card driver breaking
[03:44] <frogonwheels> skreech_: yes.. but how would that explain that it's not about the server, but about the machine it's running from.
[03:44] <frogonwheels> skreech_: they're both using the xorg ATI drivers btw.
[03:45] <skreech_> Same video cards?
[03:45] <frogonwheels> skreech_: no
[03:45] <skreech_> Oh that would have been strange then
[03:45] <frogonwheels> skreech_: But I get minecraft to work  on either of the xservers as long as I run it from machine B
[03:46] <frogonwheels> skreech_: so if I'm on A, ssh -X into B, and run minecraft, it will quite happily run on screen A:0 without crashing it.
[03:46] <skreech_> Yeah it's probably calling some effect on one of the cards that the driver just screws up
[03:46] <frogonwheels> skreech_: and if I'm on B an ssh -X into A, it will crash B:0
[03:46] <frogonwheels> skreech_: and if I'm on A and run it on A:0 it will crash A:0
[03:48] <skreech_> well it's an X crash so It's calling something. are you running the same version of minecraft?
[03:58] <L3top> frogonwheels: lspci -nn | grep 'VGA'
[04:04] <frogonwheels> skreech_: yep.. same version.    Trying to think what affects the GLX commands sent to an Xserver
[04:07] <skreech_> Well A certainly has a much less capable card
[04:08] <frogonwheels> skreech_: sure. but remember that running the program on A with screen B:0  still crashes the B:0 xserver
[04:08] <skreech_> Yep
[04:09] <skreech_> I'd probably try putting the settings from A on B and see if that will start crashing the B client server
[04:09] <frogonwheels> skreech_: we're talking a pristine minecraft setup on both
[04:10] <frogonwheels> skreech_: A:0 is running over HDMI too - but again, B:0 still crashes..
[04:10] <frogonwheels> unless the settings of A:0 are affecting how it runs on B:0
[04:10] <skreech_> You could try on #minecraft
[04:11] <frogonwheels> skreech_: yep. it's hard to know if I should try on #minecraft or #java or  what :|
[04:11] <skreech_> I'd start from #minecraft
[04:11] <frogonwheels> skreech_: anyway, thankyou for your time and input, i'll keep plugging away at it.
[04:11] <frogonwheels> ttfn
[05:07] <rd1381> hi
[05:07] <rd1381> can some body help me herfe?
[05:08] <rd1381> i got an error with this file /usr/share/icons//oxygen/16x16/actions/dialog-ok.png
[05:11] <skreech_> what's the error?
[05:11] <rd1381> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2003715 this error exactly
[05:13] <rd1381> Gtk-WARNING **: Error loading icon: Couldn't recognize the image file format for file '/usr/share/icons//oxygen/16x16/actions/dialog-ok.png'
[05:18] <zedority> why is there two slashes in part of that filename path?
[05:21] <rd1381> i dont know
[05:21] <rd1381> but there they are
[05:21] <rd1381> and i dont think they are the problem
[05:21] <zedority> does the file /usr/share/icons/oxygen/16x16/actions/dialog-ok.png actually exist?
[05:24] <rd1381> yes
[05:25] <skreech_> colorspace?
[05:26] <rd1381> ??
[05:27] <zedority> hm, ok. and is it definitely a png file? like, can you view it using gwenview?
[05:27] <rd1381> yes
[05:28] <zedority> is this happening when you're in kde or in any desktop environment?
[05:28] <rd1381> and lately i get this error for gpodder too
[05:28] <rd1381> glib.GError: Couldn't recognize the image file format for file '/usr/share/gpodder/podcast-3.png'
[05:29] <zedority> hm, odd
[05:30] <zedority> what does "file /usr/share/gpodder/podcast-3.png" typed into a terminal return?
[05:31] <rd1381> /usr/share/gpodder/podcast-3.png: PNG image data, 40 x 40, 8-bit colormap, non-interlaced
[05:31] <rd1381> same as others
[05:33] <zedority> i really don't know sorry. i thought gtk programs could recognise png files
[05:35] <rd1381> i got the first error after i upgraded from 11.10
[05:35] <rd1381> but the gpodder one is new
[05:35] <skreech_> Is it only gtk progrms taht are having that error?
[05:35] <skreech_> that
[05:36] <rd1381> and gpodder one i didnt get till yesterday
[05:37] <rd1381> the first one got something to do with qtcurve
[05:38] <rd1381> and oxygen-gtk
[05:38] <zedority> i had issues with gtk programs (but only in kde) when i upgraded kubuntu to 11.10. I basically just had to make sure i had a valid .gtkrc-2.0 file in my home folder
[05:39] <rd1381> cause if i change gtk+ style in kde control center to anything other than this 2 i dont get this error
[05:39] <rd1381> but the gpodder error persists
[05:41] <Nicekiwi> heyyy I installed the Nvidia driver, now KDE system settings only recognises one of my 2 monitors.. what do i do?
[05:42] <Nicekiwi> I need dual-screen, seperate X displays at the same res
[05:53] <jussi> Nicekiwi: actually, just dont crosspost
[05:54] <jussi> anyway, run the nvidia tool
[05:54] <Nicekiwi> jussi: i has
[05:55] <jussi> Nicekiwi: you have what?
[05:55] <Nicekiwi> jussi: i have tried running the nvidia config
[05:55] <Nicekiwi> brb
[08:31] <frogonwheels> e43+-*********************************************************-++++++++++++++++++++++++
[08:32] <jussi> frogonwheels: cat?
[08:40] <fasta> Does anyone understand why Virtuoso uses to much CPU?
[08:41] <fasta> I gave it 1GB of RAM to play with (the maximum configurable) and still it's not happy.
[08:41] <fasta> so much CPU*
[08:42] <fasta> The point of an index service is that it indexes everything and then at some point it is done if no changes are made.
[08:42] <fasta> But this seems to run forever.
[08:42] <fasta> If everything is implemented correctly, such a service could index everything in 15 minutes starting from an empty database.
[08:43] <fasta> So, I have the impression it is not implemented correctly and instead is written by a bunch of people who have no clue as to what they are doing.
[09:15] <Torch> fasta: patches welcome
[09:17] <uberdub> skreech_  I think its defintely something conflicting with the newer kernel
[09:18] <uberdub> Chose older version option in grub, and all is well in 12.04 with 2.6.32-41 kernel
[09:18] <k0s> Русские есть?
[09:19] <k0s> Есть тут кто нибудь?
[09:19] <fasta> Torch: is there even some documentation for this stuff available?
[09:19] <Torch> fasta: no idea, i don't work on this
[09:19] <uberdub> seems to be related to whichever network management I use.
[09:19] <fasta> Torch: if it is undocumented, KDE should just drop it.
[09:20] <fasta> The value of non-working undocumented code is negative.
[09:24] <uberdub> skreech_ even flash player is working flawlessly now.
[09:44] <artao> anyone about? i'm wondering if i can use .deb installers under Kubuntu 12.04 ??
[10:24] <dgutu> +1
[10:58] <kish> i can't seem to get rid of the packages that were installed along with ubuntu-desktop
[11:35] <frogonwheels> jussi: in a manner of speaking.  actually the cleaner :)
[11:41] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[11:55] <artao> nm
[12:24] <salseroo> Hi, i have a prostgres database how can i delete it. i dont have a password. i will restore my postgres database
[12:29] <Torch> salseroo: dropdb <dbname> should do it from a shell if you have the postgres client tools installed
[12:29] <Torch> http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.0/interactive/manage-ag-dropdb.html
[12:32] <salseroo> i have done sudo -s
[12:32] <salseroo> then su postgres
[12:33] <surfn> hi
[12:33] <salseroo> then sudo dropdb postgres
[12:33] <salseroo> he wants a password what i dont have
[12:33] <surfn> just installing skype on 12.04 - needs 308 dependencies
[12:33] <surfn> !!!
[12:33] <PatrickBic> hi
[12:34] <salseroo> without sudo it works
[12:34] <PatrickBic> does kubuntu disable (every) power saving function by default? (at installation time)
[12:34] <PatrickBic> just had a thermal shutdown ( at 105°C)
[12:34] <surfn> anyone know what the 308 dependencies are?
[12:36] <surfn> brb
[12:38] <salseroo> i cant restore the postgres database. i have done this createdb -U lxoffice -W postgres --owner=lxoffice \ --encoding=LATIN9 --template=template1
[12:39] <surfn> am back
[12:39] <salseroo> then: psql -U lxoffice postgres < 120608-dump-postgres.sql
[12:39] <salseroo> he told me: WARNING:  no privileges could be revoked for "public"
[12:55] <surfn> has anyone else installed the new skype?
[13:01] <surfn> has everyone gone to bed?
[13:05] <PatrickBic> surfn, people arent paid to hang around here.. there will be an answer to your question but not immidiately
[13:06] <surfn> that's cool...
[13:07] <BluesKaj> surfn, yes , I usually install the static version ...runs better
[13:07] <surfn> static version?
[13:07] <surfn> I'm brand new to Kubuntu btw
[13:11] <surfn> BluesKaj: what's the static version?  Do you have a link?
[13:39] <sky100> hi
[13:39] <sky100> BluesKaj,
[13:39] <surfn> think I might have found why 308 packages needed for Skype... I've just done an update.  let's hope that solves it - don't want to install unity
[13:41] <BluesKaj> surfn, the static version is on the skype site
[13:43] <sky100> for the last couple of weeks imn finding that my whenever i see updates available , & i update it .. it shows like "your update is like  couple of weeks old .. pls check for new updates
[13:43] <sky100> cant fix it ..
[13:44] <sky100> Apper is not updating
[13:45] <BluesKaj> sky100, make sure you have all the repositories in the package manager or /etc/apt/sources.list enabled
[13:46] <sky100> /etc/apt/sources.list << is to be checked in home directory
[13:47] <sky100> ok , in Root
[13:47] <BluesKaj> sky100, make sure you have all the repositories in the package manager or /etc/apt/sources.list enabled
[13:47] <BluesKaj> use the krunner (alt+f2) kdesudo kate  /etc/apt/sources.list
[13:48] <sky100> ok
[13:49] <BluesKaj> or right click on the desktop and choose 'run command'
[13:50] <sky100> i used the 1st one as suggested by u
[13:50] <sky100> alt+f2
[13:51] <sky100> it pops up a  documents , BluesKaj
[13:53] <kavurt> hi, my webcam doesn't work. i installed libpt-1.1.10... after reboot it worked for one second, then disappeared. any ideas?
[13:53] <sky100> with a detailed info like "# deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 12.04 LTS _Precise Pangolin_ - Release i386 (20120423)]/ precise main restricted
[13:53] <BluesKaj> !repositories | sky100
[14:21] <surfn> what's the best launcher to use with KDE?  I had been using gnome-do's launcher panel
[14:27] <BluesKaj> surfn, look in the plasma panel search for quicklaunch
[15:51] <darthanubis> kmail is showing two local folders, one is gray  though. I can't seem to purge the gray local folder
[16:43] <skreech_> yeah I get the same in Kmail I just close it and ignore it
[16:47] <viktor> hi
[16:47] <viktor> its possible use cd image on play on linux?
[17:18] <suiyu> can i upgroup kubuntu 11.10 to 12.04?
[17:44] <dougl> how do I install a ????.deb file - err... or can I?
[17:47] <bazhang> dougl, what deb , from where
[17:54] <dougl> bazhang, from http://sourceforge.net/projects/gapcmon/
[17:56] <bazhang> dougl, whats it do
[17:56] <bazhang> !find gapcmon
[17:56] <dougl> bazhang, frontend for apcupsd
[17:57] <dougl> and acpaccess too I think
[17:58] <bazhang> gkrellmapcupsd  dougl like that ?
[18:03] <dougl> bazhang, muon says that is processor monitor for cpu = not the case?
[18:09] <bazhang> !info gkrellmapcupsd
[18:09] <dougl> bazhang, do you know what command starts it? I am gonna install it and check it out
[18:13] <dougl> !info gkrellm
[18:48] <dougl> bazhang, you still here? => thanks for your help :)
[18:49] <bazhang> dougl, was that it?
[18:49] <dougl> trying to track down the source of a seg fault when enabling that plugin... is/was something to watch ups status anyway
[18:50] <dougl> I am new to the UPS thing so just learning what to do to tweak it out
[18:50] <bazhang> ok
[18:51] <dougl> but learned something about the gkrellm system monitor so I thought I'd thank you for pointing me in that direction as I had already dismissed it as a cpu monitor...
[18:52] <dougl> did not realize it was a system monitoring suite
[18:52] <bazhang> ok nice
[19:26] <cancer> L3top: hey :)
[19:27] <cancer> I have finally installed Nvidia Quadro FX 1000 Drivers and they are working fine but getting resolution reset problem. Nvidia X server settings in Startup Application has this command (h -c '/usr/bin/nvidia-settings --load-config-only') and when ever i reboot machine it turns back to old resolution settings.
[19:33] <Riddell> stable and unstable updates http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.8.4  http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.8.90
[19:33] <newmesis> h
[19:42] <dougl> how many different clock options are there for kubuntu?
[19:43] <bazhang> apt-cache search clock should show some
[19:50]  * skreech_ is so tempted to get the unstable
[20:22] <dougl> bazhang, thanks
[20:27] <cancer> Hi, i have installed Nvidia Quadro Fx 1000 drivers and facing issue. resolution reset when i restart machine? any solution
[20:27] <dougl> how do I enable services... sshd apcupsd so they are running on reboot?
[20:28] <dougl> cancer, can you 'sudo nvidia-settings', config settings and write setting to x config?
[20:29] <cancer> dougl: i already did that.
[20:29] <cancer> but same
[20:29] <BluesKaj> cancer, how did you install the drivers ?
[20:29] <dougl> hmmm and you had permissions and everything for the X config?
[20:30] <cancer> BluesKaj: sudo apt-get install nvidia-173, i can change resolution from nvidia settings and even saved many time. but same. it get reset when reboot the machine. | dougl: yes
[20:31] <dougl> hmmm
[20:32] <cancer> Even tried this http://paste.kde.org/501542/
[20:32] <dougl> I had funky issues with nvidia with 12.04...
[20:34] <BluesKaj> cancer, when you install a graphics driver you have to stop kdm first , otherwise the driver won't install . The best way for you wouldn be to open kmenu >applications>system>additional drivers , choose the recommended driver and let then installer do the work for you . Trying to install from the terminal with X/kdm running won't work
[20:34] <cancer> dougl: i followed these steps to install them. followed till last. http://paste.kde.org/501548/
[20:35] <cancer> BluesKaj: drivers are working fine. just resolution reset. they are saving configurations but resolution reset when i reboot machine. that is all i'm having issue with.
[20:38] <BluesKaj> cancer , open a terminal and do,  dpkg -l | grep nvidia , to see which driver you have installed , just to make sure
[20:43] <cancer> BluesKaj: http://paste.kde.org/501554/
[20:46] <cancer> BluesKaj: what does it says?
[20:47] <BluesKaj> cancer, why did you install the 173 driver when you have the nvidia-current driver available , which is 3 generations newer and probly recommended
[20:49] <cancer> BluesKaj: sorry, but i don't want to do more experiments on driver thing, they always mess. now i finally got 173 and working fine. except only the issue i'm facing. i have even tried other driver.
[20:53] <BluesKaj> ok cancer ,can well you'll continue to have graphics problems if you don't follow the rules of installing the drivers properly ..but that's your call
[20:53] <cancer> BluesKaj: thanks :)
[20:56]  * BluesKaj suspects there's been some bad graphics install advice here, ppl try to be helpful , but don't realize the consequences sometimes
[20:59] <aron> arona
[21:04] <cancer> BluesKaj: it worked, i saved resolution from > preferences > monitor and applied. now nvidia have it's resolution which i saved.
[21:06] <BluesKaj> ok good
[21:06] <BluesKaj> BBL ..BBQ time
[21:08] <cancer> sure :) thanks
[21:29] <uberdub> skreech_ you around?
[21:30] <skreech_> Yes
[21:48] <merlin1991> hey guys, I don't know how I did it, but I've got ridiculously huge icons in my task swticher atm (atl + tab) how can I change that back?
[21:49] <phoenix_firebrd> merlin1991: does it happen after re login?
[21:50] <merlin1991> yep
[21:50] <phoenix_firebrd> merlin1991: goto system settings
[21:50] <phoenix_firebrd> merlin1991: in that goto desktop effects
[21:51] <phoenix_firebrd> merlin1991: wait
[21:53] <merlin1991> ...
[21:53] <phoenix_firebrd> merlin1991: in desktop effects goto all effects
[21:55] <phoenix_firebrd> merlin1991: click the settings button beside the cover switch
[21:56] <merlin1991> hm whatever I do to the zoom there has no effect
[21:57] <phoenix_firebrd> merlin1991: then you must be using the box switch effect
[21:59] <merlin1991> hm no influence aswell
[21:59] <uberdub> skreech_ : figured it out. its the kernel
[22:00] <uberdub> running a 2.6 kernel under 12.04 all is well now. seemed to be my network manager that caused it. I found a log that network manager was freezing. uninstalled NM, and installed wicd, and defaulted to the 2.6 kernel
[22:01] <phoenix_firebrd> merlin1991: my task switch shows at a size of 200X200 approx
[22:02] <merlin1991> hm I'm not so worried about the switch itself, but the distinct icons for each open window, they are so huge that I only get 4 of them before i starts to scroll horizontally on a 1440x900 screen
[22:14] <phoenix_firebrd> merlin1991: use my nick when talking to me so that i will be alerted
[22:15] <merlin1991> phoenix_firebrd: any suggestions though?
[22:15] <phoenix_firebrd> merlin1991: press first letter of my nick and then tab to complete
[22:16] <phoenix_firebrd> merlin1991: can you paste the screen cap
[22:16] <merlin1991> phoenix_firebrd: eh, key for screencap in kde? never had to use it yet :D
[22:16] <phoenix_firebrd> merlin1991: printscreen
[22:17] <phoenix_firebrd> merlin1991: it must be beside beside pause/break on top right on a normal keyboard
[22:19] <merlin1991> phoenix_firebrd: ofc alt+tab + printscreen does not work :/
[22:20] <phoenix_firebrd> merlin1991: oh you are talking about the alt+tab icons
[22:20] <merlin1991> yep
[22:20] <merlin1991> "in my task swticher atm (atl + tab)"
[22:21] <phoenix_firebrd> merlin1991: ya cannot take a scrren cap
[22:21] <merlin1991> lemme use trick17
[22:24] <phoenix_firebrd> merlin1991: what happens when you disable box switch in desktop effects?
[22:24] <merlin1991> nothing
[22:28] <merlin1991> phoenix_firebrd: http://imagebin.org/216705
[22:29] <merlin1991> trick 17 finally worked :)
[22:43] <phoenix_firebrd> merlin1991: did you modify any icon size settings?
[22:43] <merlin1991> I don't remember doing so on purpose
[22:43] <phoenix_firebrd> merlin1991: ok check the icon sizes
[22:45] <merlin1991> phoenix_firebrd: where?
[22:46] <phoenix_firebrd> merlin1991: system settings -> application appearance -> icons-> advanced tab
[22:47] <phoenix_firebrd> merlin1991: for me the icons in all the case does not exceed 48
[22:47] <merlin1991> phoenix_firebrd: they don't even exceed 32 here
[22:47] <phoenix_firebrd> merlin1991: you mean all?
[22:47] <merlin1991> I mean all of them
[22:48] <merlin1991> I bet there is some keyboard key for near sighted mode ore somehting similar
[22:48] <phoenix_firebrd> merlin1991: do you have the guest account enabled?
[22:52] <phoenix_firebrd> merlin1991: did you try a restart?
[22:52] <merlin1991> I had the problem since about 5 restarts, only decided now to go and tackle it
[22:54] <merlin1991> phoenix_firebrd:  ^
[22:54] <phoenix_firebrd> merlin1991: got to the folder .kde/share/config/
[22:54] <merlin1991> and?
[22:55] <merlin1991> rm -rf * ? ;)
[22:55] <phoenix_firebrd> merlin1991: rename the file kwinrc to someother and try a restart
[22:56] <merlin1991> on my way
[22:58] <phoenix_firebrd> merlin1991: done?
[22:58] <merlin1991> phoenix_firebrd: yep, now I have the original full windows at a time taskswitch
[22:59] <merlin1991> I'd like to go back to a long bar of icons :)
[22:59] <phoenix_firebrd> merlin1991: disable cover switch in desktop effects
[23:00] <merlin1991> hm the icons are again quite big
[23:01] <phoenix_firebrd> merlin1991: in box switc?
[23:01] <merlin1991> phoenix_firebrd: yes
[23:01] <merlin1991> I get a total of 4 preview windows inside the box
[23:04] <phoenix_firebrd> merlin1991: wait, something is not right
[23:04] <phoenix_firebrd> merlin1991: thats the one you should be getting
[23:04] <merlin1991> ah well :D
[23:05] <phoenix_firebrd> merlin1991: the previews, not just the icons
[23:05] <merlin1991> yep I get 4 previews in a horizontal line
[23:05] <merlin1991> is it possibly to reduce it to icons and get even more?
[23:05] <merlin1991> because I usually have about 12 windows :D
[23:07] <phoenix_firebrd> merlin1991: maybe not
[23:07] <phoenix_firebrd> merlin1991: does this really bother you?
[23:07] <merlin1991> yeah
[23:07] <merlin1991> I'm used to a workflow where I rapidly swap between at least 6 windows
[23:08] <merlin1991> so having only 4 in the preview kinda limits me :D
[23:11] <phoenix_firebrd> merlin1991: no idea how to do that
[23:12] <merlin1991> I remember having it properly at one point, but that could have been before the update
[23:13] <merlin1991> by the way did you ever hear of getting a dl failed notic for some flash install late trigger on each boot?
[23:27] <phoenix_firebrd> merlin1991: no such notice for me
[23:27] <merlin1991> keep getting them :/
[23:35] <phoenix_firebrd> merlin1991: know i think i get the problem in your system
[23:35] <merlin1991> never update to the next release? :D
[23:35] <phoenix_firebrd> merlin1991: you do not end the session and start with a fresh session everytime right?
[23:36] <phoenix_firebrd> merlin1991: use tab to complete my nick
[23:36] <merlin1991> phoenix_firebrd: srly, there's no activity whatsoever in the chan :D
[23:36] <merlin1991> phoenix_firebrd: yeah most of the time I get parts of my last session back
[23:37] <phoenix_firebrd> merlin1991: all in sleep()
[23:37] <phoenix_firebrd> merlin1991: can you start with the fresh session when you login and end the current session while you logout?
[23:38] <merlin1991> phoenix_firebrd: I'm not sure I understand what you mean
[23:38] <phoenix_firebrd> merlin1991: goto system settings
[23:38] <phoenix_firebrd> merlin1991: goto startup and shutdown
[23:39] <phoenix_firebrd> merlin1991: then session management
[23:39] <phoenix_firebrd> merlin1991: in the default leave option select end current session
[23:39] <phoenix_firebrd> merlin1991: in on login session select start with an empty session
[23:40] <merlin1991> phoenix_firebrd: select current session was already there, only login still was on restore session
[23:41] <phoenix_firebrd> merlin1991:you are mistaken , i said end current session
[23:42] <phoenix_firebrd> merlin1991: oops sorry
[23:43] <phoenix_firebrd> merlin1991: ok now try logout and login, during login, in the login dialogbox, select new session in the session optins
[23:43] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: is kde 4.9 beta available for testing?
[23:44] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: yes http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.8.90
[23:44] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: wow thats beta 2 right?
[23:45] <yofel> it is
[23:45] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: thank you
[23:45] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: is the kmix issue fixed?
[23:46] <yofel> which kmix issue?
[23:47] <merlin1991> phoenix_firebrd: http://imagebin.org/216716
[23:47] <merlin1991> phoenix_firebrd: that's my reaccuring flash error
[23:47] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: "kmix keeps on crashing after multiple volume changes"
[23:48] <yofel> oh, that one. Can't say as I was never using the buggy part of the code myself
[23:48] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: veromix?
[23:49] <yofel> no, kmix - but I almost never touch my volume so it never crashed for me
[23:49] <phoenix_firebrd> merlin1991: what happens when you press the button
[23:49] <merlin1991> nothing
[23:49] <merlin1991> ah well term comes up
[23:49] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: :)
[23:50] <merlin1991> phoenix_firebrd: nothing except for a term
[23:51] <phoenix_firebrd> merlin1991: is autoupdate on?
[23:51] <merlin1991> not that I know of
[23:52] <merlin1991> phoenix_firebrd: I ususally get a notice about new packages and then run the updater
[23:53] <phoenix_firebrd> merlin1991: i dont know how to disable this
[23:53] <phoenix_firebrd> merlin1991: there might be an autostart entry
[23:54] <phoenix_firebrd> merlin1991: the proper way is to down the package and install it
[23:54] <merlin1991> phoenix_firebrd:  I did that, didn't help
[23:54] <merlin1991> phoenix_firebrd: a reboot later the msg was back
[23:55] <phoenix_firebrd> merlin1991: try to purge and reinstall flashplugin-installer