[00:19] <micahg> intellectronica: what kind of specification do  you need for that follow bug?
[00:28] <Flare183> Can I use the package bug-triage to triage bugs for Ubuntu?
[00:32] <wgrant> Flare183: No; that only supports the Debian BTS, not Launchpad.
[00:32] <Flare183> wgrant: Dang, thanks.
[00:33] <wgrant> Flare183: Launchpad has a nice API, though, so an alternative could be written.
[00:33] <Flare183> wgrant: True.
[00:47] <spm> *** FYI. restarting codehosting for a Cherry Pick ***
[03:03] <micahg> why would I not be able to download something published 11 hours ago on a ppa?
[03:04] <wgrant> micahg: Link?
[03:05] <micahg> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/ppa
[03:05] <micahg> thunderbird package
[03:05] <micahg> amd64 build finished 8 hours ago
[03:07] <wgrant> micahg: Which one is missing, and from where?
[03:07] <wgrant> All that I've checked are fine.
[03:07] <micahg> I just did and apt-get update and cannot see the new thunderbird
[03:08] <wgrant> Which series?
[03:08] <micahg> jaunty
[03:09] <wgrant> micahg: thunderbird <IP_ADDRESS>+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[03:09] <wgrant> That's in the jaunty/amd64/main index.
[03:09] <wgrant> So it is there.
[03:10] <micahg> maybe because I'm getting failures on other files it's not rebuilding the apt db
[06:48] <twb> Where is malone's email interface documented?
[06:49] <twb> I'm looking at https://launchpad.net/malone and not seeing a documentation link
[06:49] <lifeless> help.launchpad.net
[06:49] <wgrant> twb: https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/EmailInterface
[06:49] <twb> wgrant: thanks
[06:49] <wgrant> Fairly easy to find from help.launchpad.net's home.
[06:49] <wgrant> Although help.launchpad.net is not really easy to find.
[06:49] <wgrant> And that page used to be linked from within the web UI.,
[09:12] <philn> hi
[09:13] <philn> i get oops'd when accessing to https://edge.launchpad.net/elisa
[09:13] <wgrant> philn: Known and fixed bug.
[09:13] <wgrant> philn: Should be on edge in a few hours.
[09:13] <wgrant> philn: You can go to https://launchpad.net/ to disable the edge redirect for now.
[09:14] <philn> oh well, i'll just wait
[09:19] <wgrant> philn: Why not disable the edge redirect?
[09:20] <philn> dunno, i'm lazy :) as long as i can access bugs it's fine
[11:16] <michaelforrest> hello hello, can anybody tell me how to make a team 'private' on launchpad??
[11:24] <rowinggolfer> michaelforrest: At the moment if you want to use them in a free project you should send mail to feedback@ or ask a question in https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad asking for them to be enabled.
[11:24] <rowinggolfer> not my words... but taken from http://blog.launchpad.net/general/new-privacy-features-for-commercial-subscribers
[11:25] <michaelforrest> rowinggolfer: thanks
[11:25] <michaelforrest> I thought I'd done that though... I guess I should try again.
[11:25] <michaelforrest> my code branches are private but the team is showing as public.
[11:26] <rowinggolfer> ah... my bad, misunderstood your point.
[11:26] <rowinggolfer> what's your team?
[11:27] <rowinggolfer> I'm only asking so I can see what it is you want to hide ;)
[11:28] <mrevell> michaelforrest: Hi!
[11:29] <mrevell> michaelforrest: If you want to make a team private, you'll need to get one of our commercial subscriptions and then we can add you to the beta of our privacy features. Here's a link:
[11:29] <michaelforrest> hi mrevell
[11:29] <michaelforrest> I am actually a Canonical employee
[11:29] <michaelforrest> so I've already got some of that set up
[11:29] <michaelforrest> so I just fired off another email to feedback@
[11:29] <mrevell> michaelforrest: Ach, forgive me :) We're getting big now :)
[11:30] <mrevell> michaelforrest: Let me go check the feedback mailbox
[11:30] <michaelforrest> cool
[11:44] <idnar> how do I upgrade a bzr branch on launchpad to a newer format?
[12:07] <maxb> idnar: IIUC, bzr upgrade lp:...... should work
[12:09]  * idnar smacks his forehead
[12:09] <idnar> yeah, that works
[12:09] <idnar> I didn't even think to try it
[12:17] <magnetic_> hi
[12:20] <magnetic_> how can i attach binary files with launchpadlib. Text files work ok, but not binaries:
[12:20] <magnetic_> bug.addAttachment(comment='', data=open('foo.diff.gz').read(),
[12:20] <magnetic_> description='diff.gz', filename='foo.diff.gz', is_patch=False)
[12:22] <james_w> magnetic_: what's your version of launchpadlib?
[12:23] <magnetic_> james_w: 1.5.1
[12:24] <james_w> what's the error?
[12:26] <magnetic_> james_w: http://pastebin.com/m5ed004d
[12:29] <james_w> bug 353805
[13:25] <oubiwann> hey guys, I'm getting oops's on several project pages on launchpad...
[13:25] <beuno> oubiwann, yeah, sorry about that
[13:25] <beuno> should be fixed by tomorrow
[13:26] <beuno> fix went in, but it didn't make last nights rollout
[13:26] <oubiwann> beuno: okay, just checking to make sure it was a known issue
[13:26] <beuno> oubiwann, it is, thanks
[13:26] <beuno> flacoste, maybe it's worth a roll out during the day?  ^
[13:32] <idnar> if I'm getting an OOPS on edge, should I file a bug report?
[14:13] <flacoste> beuno: talk to Ursinha-nom to get an idea of the actual user impact
[14:41] <Ursinha> hi idnar
[14:44] <idnar> Ursinha: hi
[14:48] <mok0> So, I created a +junk hosted branch, and LP tells me that it's not a branch when I try bzr checkout. wtf?
[14:49] <lgoodrich> Hi, I have a question about the data retention policy of Launchpad. If I delete a branch of code, does it remain on your server?
[14:51] <mok0> lgoodrich: no one here right now /me thinks
[15:10] <jml> lgoodrich, it gets deleted from the server
[15:11] <lgoodrich> I was looking over the data retention policy, and it states that data is permantently stored unless there is an explicit reason for it to be completely removed
[15:12] <lgoodrich> My situation is that a branch was uploaded with sensitive information (a whole bunch of cleartext passwords) included in the revision history. I have deleted the branch but I want to ensure the data is completely removed from the server
[15:12] <beuno> lgoodrich, it may take a while from being removed from disk, backups, etc
[15:12] <beuno> it's no longer user-accessible
[15:12]  * jml returns to his vacation
[15:12] <beuno> but it takes a while (days? weeks?) for it to be cleared out from everywhere internally
[15:12] <beuno> \o/
[15:12] <beuno> welcome back jml
[15:13] <jml> beuno, _to_ my vacation, I'm not back until Monday :)
[15:13] <lgoodrich> Its fine if it takes a little bit, I'd just like to make sure it is eventually completely removed
[15:14] <beuno> lgoodrich, it will
[15:14] <beuno> jml, you got my hopes up
[15:14] <lgoodrich> My only concern is this statement within the Data Rentention policy: "General Data Retention Statement
[15:14] <lgoodrich> Launchpad retains all data submitted by users permanently.
[15:14] <lgoodrich> Except in the circumstances listed below, Launchpad will only delete data if required to do so by law or if data (including files, PPA submissions, bug reports, bug comments, bug attachments, and translations) is inappropriate. Canonical reserves the right to determine whether data is inappropriate. Spam, malicious code, and defamation are considered inappropriate. Where data is deleted, it will be removed from the Launchpad database but i
[15:14] <lgoodrich>  continue to exist in backup archives which are maintained by Canonical.
[15:15] <lgoodrich> sorry for the huge paste, here's the URL: https://help.launchpad.net/PrivacyPolicy
[15:15] <beuno> lgoodrich, right. Guaranteeing that it will be deleted from *all* backups is hard
[15:16] <beuno> hence, the policy
[15:16] <beuno> I'd change the passwords if it's critical
[15:16] <lgoodrich> yeah, that's understandable
[15:16] <beuno> although, only a handful of sysadmins have access to backups
[15:17] <lgoodrich> ok, so to summarize: My branch deletion will eventually propogate through the system, and the data will only exist on offline backups eventually?
[15:18] <beuno> lgoodrich, yes
[15:18] <lgoodrich> ok, thanks for your help beuno!
[15:26] <lfaraone> Hi, I want to change my project URL after a internal reorganization, but don't want old links + bzr checkouts to break. (we want to change from gasp-code to gasp-core)
[15:26] <lfaraone> Is there a way that a 301 redirect can be put in?
[15:27] <beuno> lfaraone, I don't k ow if project aliases work on that level
[15:27] <beuno> salgado, ^
[15:30] <salgado> lfaraone, just ask a question (launchpad.net/launchpad/+newquestion) asking for your project to be renamed and an alias created for the old name
[15:30] <salgado> beuno, that's exactly how project aliases work. :)
[15:32] <lfaraone> salgado:
[15:32] <lfaraone> salgado: thanks *
[15:33] <lfaraone> salgado: heh, amusingly, that gets me a 404 on edge.lp.net
[15:33] <salgado> lfaraone, http://launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion .  sorry
[15:35] <lfaraone> salgado: done, https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/80333
[15:37] <kiko> gmb, ping?
[15:45] <gmb> kiko: Hi.
[15:45] <nhandler> I just tried to subscribe to a bug on edge and got: The following errors were encountered: person: No such object "https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~nhandler". Is this a known issue? Or should I go ahead and file a bug?
[15:46] <gmb> nhandler: I think that's a known issue. Let me just dig it up for you...
[15:46] <kiko> gmb, two questions. a) did jml contact you? b) what's the story on the bug tracker syncing stuff?
[15:47] <gmb> nhandler: That's bug 415166. There's a fix for that in the PQM queue at the moment.
[15:47] <nhandler> Thanks gmb
[15:48] <gmb> kiko: a) Yes, I'm talking to him tomorrow AM. b) If you mean the Bugzilla 3.4 work, it's all going smoothly so far. Should be landning a couple of infrastructure branches today and then it's just a case of plowing through the work that needs doing to adapt what we've already got for the LP plugin to work with the 3.4 API.
[15:48] <gmb> (Which is pretty straightforward)
[15:49] <kiko> gmb, okay. the reason I'm asking and that it's urgent is that the support period for that work is limited, so if max needs to do any fixes there's not a lot of time left for it
[15:49] <gmb> kiko: I know. BjornT said we had 30 days from the handover. Is that correct?
[15:50] <kiko> gmb, that's half correct -- part of the problem is that this code is already upstream and harder to change since 3.4 is out
[15:50] <gmb> Ah, okay.
[15:50] <kiko> but we'll figure it out -- just make sure you have something of a run in the next few days so we can assess the risk
[15:50] <gmb> kiko: Well, I'll be doing Bugzilla to the exclusion of all else tomorrow, so if there are any serious problems I'll probably run into them very soon.
[15:51] <kiko> gmb, awesome. thanks!
[15:51] <gmb> No worries.
[15:54] <Ursinha> idnar, in which page are you getting timeouts on edge?
[15:55] <idnar> Ursinha: I'm not getting timeouts; my problem is https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/415351
[15:55] <Ursinha> idnar, let me see
[15:58] <Ursinha> idnar, this is a duplicate of bug 414610
[15:58] <Ursinha> the fix is on the way
[15:58] <idnar> Ursinha: great, just wanted to make sure you guys knew about it
[15:59] <Ursinha> idnar, cool, thanks for filing that bug!
[16:25] <james_w> is there a page that shows me the list of reviews that have been requested of me and any team that I am in?
[16:27] <salgado> james_w, afaik, only on a per-project basis
[16:28] <james_w> ok, but this isn't a project, so that doesn't solve the issue either :-)
[16:28] <james_w> it seems I can poll each likely team, which at least allows me to find them
[16:43] <james_w> https://help.launchpad.net/Code/Review doesn't seem to document the process for resubmitting a branch
[17:21] <pedro_> hello, I'm getting a person: No such object "https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~pvillavi". when trying to subscribe to a report
[17:21] <pedro_> is that a known issue?
[17:21] <pedro_> bug 414627
[17:21] <pedro_> i'm trying to subscribe to that one ^
[17:24] <Ursinha> pedro_, I'm checking this
[17:24] <Ursinha> pedro_, I can reproduce this consistently here
[17:24] <Ursinha> intellectronica, hi
[17:25] <intellectronica> hi Ursinha
[17:25] <pedro_> Ursinha, ok thanks
[17:25] <intellectronica> pedro_: that's known and has already been fixed
[17:25] <intellectronica> Ursinha: ^^^^^
[17:26] <Ursinha> intellectronica, just found the bug
[17:26] <intellectronica> cool
[17:26] <Ursinha> (and a dupe)
[17:31] <pedro_> awesome, thank folks!
[18:38] <rowinggolfer> I know that project wiki's are frequently being requested for launchpad
[18:39] <rowinggolfer> are there any plans?
[18:39] <rowinggolfer> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/launchpad-foundations/+spec/project-wiki
[18:43] <intellectronica> rowinggolfer: yes, that's very high on the agenda for the next major cycle
[18:44] <rowinggolfer> intellectronica: any suggestions for starting a wiki which should be migratable?
[18:44] <rowinggolfer> is there any good standard format or application
[18:45] <intellectronica> rowinggolfer: no, i don't think we're that far in planning it yet. note that we all use moinmoin heavily. i don't know if that will influence the final format, but it's not a bad wiki at all
[18:47] <rowinggolfer> ok.. thanks
[19:53] <stgraber> cprov: Hi, you just marked bug 412186 as incomplete, can you explain me what information is missing ?
[19:56] <cprov> stgraber: sure, recently /sys and other bits started to be mounted for general builds. I'd like to have a confirmation that the issue is not already fixed.
[19:56] <cprov> stgraber: I should have commented that, I'm sorry.
[20:01] <stgraber> cprov: ok, I'll ask Michael Jeanson to test it again and comment if it still happens
[20:02] <cprov> stgraber: appreciated, thank you.
[20:33] <micahg> is the subscribe feature going to be broke on edge until the next full release?
[20:33] <micahg> or is the milestone regarding what is deployed to production only, not what's on edge?
[20:34] <beuno> micahg, only applies to production
[20:35] <beuno> edge is rolled out daily
[20:35] <micahg> cool
[20:35] <micahg> so hopefully tomorrow I can subscribe to bugs again :)
[20:40] <beuno> micahg, yeah, or, middle click on it
[20:57] <Daviey> Is LP busted? :)
[20:57] <Daviey> OOPS-1326ED427 ?
[20:57] <beuno> Daviey, when visiting a project's page?
[20:57] <Daviey> yah
[20:58] <Daviey> yeah, every project i try and visit under edge isn't working.
[20:59] <beuno> Daviey, known bug, fixed by tomorrow
[20:59] <Daviey> hurray, i assume current work around is disable edge for 2 hours?
[21:00] <beuno> Daviey, correct
[21:00] <Daviey> thanks beuno
[22:31] <cyberix> Are edge servers supposed to mirror everything from the actual servers?
[22:32] <cyberix> is this a bug https://edge.launchpad.net/kunquat
[22:32] <cyberix> or is it just that kunquat project is not part of the test setup?
[22:44] <matsubara> cyberix, bug 414610
[23:03] <popey> uhm, i just tried to subscribe to a bug and launchpad (edge) popped up a dialog box saying... The following errors were encountered:
[23:03] <popey> * person: No such object "https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~popey".
[23:04] <thumper> popey: known bug
[23:04] <thumper> popey: fix landed
[23:04] <thumper> not yet rolled I believe
[23:04] <popey> ok, thanks! :)
[23:05] <popey> i worked around it by "subscribing someone else" and putting my id in :)
[23:16] <popey> uhm, just visited https://edge.launchpad.net/wxbanker and got  (Error ID: OOPS-1326EC620)
[23:17] <matsubara> popey, likely to be bug 414610
[23:18] <popey> thanks. have disabled redirect for 2 hours


[17:58] <chief-monk> Hello anyone here?
[18:09] <Menzador|Work> chief-monk: Yes, we're here; what do you need?
[18:19] <chief-monk> ok
[18:21] <chief-monk> Please explain to me on Aug 16th I register my nick and was able to go to #ubuntu and now everything wiped clean.  even my channels were gone too..
[18:23] <chief-monk> I was told once I register my nick it was good and only done once.
[18:23] <Pici> chief-monk: IRC doesn't save state.  Your IRC client is responsible for re-joining any channels that you may have joined before.
[18:23] <Pici> Its not like discord.
[18:24] <Pici> Also you aren't currently signed into your account
[18:24] <Pici> See /msg nickserv help identify    for logon syntax
[18:26] <chief-monk> Pici: when you quit the chat is there a way it saves the channels or do I need to search for them again?
[18:30] <Pici> chief-monk: It might be a function of your IRC client. There are so many out there that its hard to give generic advice about how to do that.
[18:31] <chief-monk> Pici:  Okay a general idea what to look for?
[18:32] <chief-monk> Pici: And there is a code to register my nick?
[18:33] <tomreyn> the #freenode channel usually provides irc support, but i bet there is also ##irc
[18:33] <tomreyn> !alis
[18:33] <tomreyn> !register
[18:33] <chief-monk> They send an email stating it is register?
[18:35] <chief-monk> Thank you all


[00:09] <Riddell> yay, I'm informative "Kubuntu and KDE (Score:5, Informative)" http://linux.slashdot.org/story/12/03/01/2047217/ubuntu-1204-lts-precise-pangolin-beta-1-released
[00:11] <Riddell> hmm, should I take the bait and reply? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2012-March/055692.html
[00:52] <rbelem> Riddell, i got it working
[00:52] <rbelem> Riddell, i forgot to install startactive-data and startactive-ksplash-theme
[00:55] <rbelem> Riddell, and it is missing some runtime deps
[00:57] <rbelem> Riddell, kde-workspace-bin installs kdm :-/
[01:06] <Riddell> rbelem: so you can log in from lightdm?
[01:32] <rbelem> Riddell, yup, but it is failing to load some modules :-/
[01:33] <Riddell> rbelem: better than nothing, if you package it up tonight I can put it into the archive tomorrow and make some images
[01:34] <rbelem> Riddell, here is the log http://paste.kde.org/432188/
[01:35] <Riddell> rbelem: that doesn't mean much to me, best ask notmart or the like in #active
[01:38] <rbelem> Riddell, will do now
[01:39] <rbelem> Riddell, he is not there :-/
[01:39] <Riddell> it is late in Europe
[01:40] <rbelem> Riddell, hum... is it almost 2am for you?
[01:40] <Riddell> yes, and +1 later on the continent
[01:40]  * Riddell snoozes
[01:41] <rbelem> Riddell, :-)
[01:41] <rbelem> Riddell, good night
[01:44] <Riddell> http://lwn.net/Articles/484829/  Kubuntu 12.04 to be Supported for 5 Years
[01:55] <darthanubis> Thank you!!
[02:24] <rbelem> Riddell, i got everything working
[02:25] <rbelem> Riddell, plasma-active pkg needs patching
[09:39] <Riddell> random e-mail du jour http://paste.kde.org/432266/
[10:04] <rbelem> Riddell, i slept in the keyboard
[10:06] <rbelem> Riddell, i will ping you when i finish the changes
[10:11] <Riddell> rbelem: did you pull a rodrigo? :)
[12:20] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:37] <soee> hi BluesKaj
[12:38] <BluesKaj> hi soee
[12:39] <soee> ih made upgrade yesterday
[12:39] <soee> 11.10 > 12.04b1
[12:39] <soee> works fine so far
[12:41] <soee> waiting for kde 4.9 now -.-
[12:42] <yofel> soee: happy waiting then :D http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.9_Release_Schedule
[12:42]  * yofel wonders if dirk forgot about 4.8.1
[12:42] <soee> yeah i know :)
[12:42] <soee> yofel, btw
[12:44] <soee> you rememeber i couldnt upgrade yesterday?
[12:45] <soee> so i found some file related update -manager where i had to change release type from lts to normal, than do-release-upgrade form console worked
[12:50] <yofel> hm, makes sense, except that it shouldn't be set to lts if you were on 11.10
[12:50] <yofel> but this should've still worked
[12:50] <yofel> I'll try to reproduce it, thanks
[12:53] <Peace-> here it goes
[12:53] <Peace-> plasma-widget-daisy is working again here
[12:54] <Peace-> just compiled :D
[12:56] <yofel> Peace-: on precise?
[12:57] <Peace-> yofel: sure
[12:57] <yofel> or at least with 4.8?
[12:57] <yofel> .D
[12:57] <yofel> *:D
[12:57] <Peace-> yep
[12:57] <Peace-> i did a package deb with cpack as usual
[12:57] <Peace-> xD
[12:58] <Peace-> yofel: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/03/02/plasma-desktopWv1827.png
[13:31] <soee> Peace-, you are from Poland ?
[13:39] <Peace-> soee: nope
[13:40] <Peace-> yofel: are you on precise?
[13:40] <yofel> yes
[13:40] <Peace-> yofel: 32bit?
[13:41] <yofel> 64 right now, but my eeePC is 32
[13:41] <Peace-> mm :D https://peace-packages.googlecode.com/files/plasma-widget-daisy_0.0.5.deb
[13:45] <BluesKaj> odd , i have a usb stick that i'd like to reformat but the notifierand dolphin don't see it , altho it's listed with lsusb
[13:45] <Peace-> BluesKaj: i have seen that issue too
[13:45] <Peace-> BluesKaj: partitioon manager can see it ?
[13:48] <BluesKaj> Peace-,  yes, partition manager sees it but it has no valis partition
[13:48] <BluesKaj> valid
[13:48] <Peace-> BluesKaj: mm :) so you need to format it
[13:49] <BluesKaj> yup , what's best, fat32?
[13:50] <Peace-> BluesKaj: i guess yes
[13:50] <BluesKaj> going to put freeNAS on it
[13:51] <BluesKaj> ok Peace- , done , thanks for the tip ..forgot about partition manager :)
[13:52] <Peace-> :)
[14:05] <yofel> soee: ok, that you couldn't update was a bug in software-properties-kde
[14:06] <yofel> *upgrade
[14:06] <soee> :???
[14:06] <soee> it took me whole night to update yesterday argh :D
[14:07] <yofel> in software-properties-kde you can set if you want to be notified on new releases for: Never, Normal, LTS only
[14:07] <yofel> some sofware-properties developer had the great idea to change the meaning order to: Normal, LTS only, Never
[14:08] <yofel> so I you had set LTS in sofware-properties-kde, you had in fact set it to Never
[14:08]  * yofel goes fixing
[14:15] <soee> oO
[14:19] <shadeslayer> Riddell: hardy? Really? :D
[14:26] <Riddell> shadeslayer: hmm?
[14:27] <shadeslayer> Riddell: the email paste :)
[14:27] <Riddell> oh aye, I'll send my stock reply
[14:28] <yofel> hm
[14:28] <yofel> software-properties is odd
[14:32] <Riddell> yofel: what's odd about it?
[14:32] <yofel> it's python
[14:32] <Riddell> it has the tricky job of making a sane UI out of the sources.list format which is not very user friendly
[14:33] <yofel> well, *that* part isn't even broken
[14:33] <Riddell> glatzor wrote it ages ago
[14:35] <yofel> I'll hack this to work for now and talk with mvo later
[14:36] <yofel> the gtk ui uses a dbus backend now. Using that would be the proper way to fix this
[14:36] <Riddell> yofel: does this need a backport?
[14:37] <yofel> it needs an SRU for oneiric, or you'll see more confused users like soee
[14:37] <Riddell> poor soee
[14:37] <soee> im not confused, im suprised!
[14:37] <Riddell> we also needs a "ensure your system is up to date before starting a release upgrade" notice on the instructions
[14:38] <soee> ill start to learn some new languages used in ubuntu/kde and ill fix this :D
[14:39] <soee> atm im strict php, javascirpt user
[14:39] <Riddell> python is easy to learn
[14:39] <Riddell> and sane compared to javascript :)
[14:40] <yofel> well, one way to fix it is to simply adjust the mapping: i = (i+1)%3 - which would have the least chances for regressions
[14:41] <yofel> I'll file a bug and see what mvo says
[14:43] <shadeslayer> Did someone say dbus
[14:43] <shadeslayer> kill that stuff with fire
[14:44] <shadeslayer> s/fire/napalm/
[14:44] <kubotu> shadeslayer meant: "kill that stuff with napalm"
[14:45] <ScottK> Thanks to upstart we have dbus on servers now too.
[14:45] <shadeslayer> ...
[14:46] <yofel> hurray, now I can blame dbus if my system doesn't boot, not only if I can't log in
[14:47] <rbelem> Riddell, :-D
[14:47] <Riddell> rbelem: so you can log in from lightdm into active?
[14:47] <rbelem> Riddell, yup
[14:47] <Riddell> rbelem: lovely, what's the trick?
[14:48] <rbelem> Riddell, some changes are needed in the plasma-active pkg, runtime deps, and in the startactive, patching and runtime deps
[14:49] <Riddell> rbelem: well done on working it out, you going to put packages into ~kubuntu-active?
[14:49] <rbelem> Riddell, yup
[14:49] <rbelem> Riddell, in a couple minutes
[14:49]  * Riddell holds breath
[14:49]  * rbelem just arrived in indt office :-D
[14:56] <ScottK> Is anyone there to make sure you don't pull a Rodrigo in the midst of all this?
[14:57] <rbelem> ScottK, everybody went to a windows shit presentation :'(
[14:57] <Riddell> it's brazil, there must be a samba band in the office next door or something to keep him awake
[14:57] <rbelem> hahah :-D
[14:59] <ScottK> fabo and debfx: Do we wan to make a change in our Qt (we multiarch and the -dev package)?
[15:00] <Riddell> ScottK: I don't understand that question
[15:00] <ScottK> Riddell: It's a carry over from #debian-qt-kde, sorry.
[15:05] <txwikinger> hi folks
[15:06] <Riddell> guten tag txwikinger
[15:06] <txwikinger> Guten Tag Jonathan
[15:10] <txwikinger> woot.. power outage
[15:12] <shadeslayer> wait ... you have power outages? :O
[15:13] <txwikinger> Normally not
[15:13] <txwikinger> Yesterday they had a big power outage just north of here. 4 hours 70% of customers off the grid
[15:14] <txwikinger> I guess they still repairing stuff and now ours is flaky too because of that
[15:14] <shadeslayer> txwikinger: It's just that, power outages are unheard of in First/Second World Countries
[15:14] <txwikinger> No they are not
[15:14] <txwikinger> They have power outages all the time
[15:15] <shadeslayer> txwikinger: this is the first time I've heard about a power outage on this IRC channel in the past 2-3 years :P
[15:15] <txwikinger> Esecially in winter when ice and frozen rain cuts power lines
[15:25] <debfx> ScottK: I don't know if there is a compelling use case for that
[15:26] <ScottK> OK.
[15:35] <rbelem> Riddell, startactive uploaded
[15:39] <rbelem> Riddell, do you think put startactive as depends of plasma-active is ok?
[15:44] <Riddell> rbelem: yes
[16:07] <rbelem> Riddell, plasma-mobile uploaded
[16:07] <rbelem> Riddell, could you upload kde-active-artwork?
[16:07] <rbelem> :-)
[16:08] <Riddell> rbelem: looking
[16:08] <rbelem> Riddell, thanks :-)
[16:09] <rbelem> Riddell, do you think kde-active-artwork should be a dependency for plasma-active pkg?
[16:10] <rbelem> Riddell, without it shows lots of warnings
[16:10] <Riddell> rbelem: yes sounds like it should be
[16:10] <rbelem> Riddell, could you do that before upload them? :-)
[16:11] <Riddell> sure
[16:14] <rbelem> Riddell, how about the kubuntu-mobile-settings? Should we drop it or update and rename it?
[16:17] <Riddell> rbelem: drop it
[16:17] <Riddell> replace with kubuntu-active-default-settings
[16:17] <rbelem> Riddell, oki :)
[16:31] <rbelem> Riddell, kubuntu-active-default-settings uploaded
[16:32]  * rbelem goes to lunch
[17:52] <rbelem> Riddell, are the pkgs ok?
[17:53] <fabo> Riddell: how can I know which archive have been used to build ubuntu armhf images for beta1 ? or even build logs
[17:55] <yofel> fabo: take for example qt: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11
[17:55] <yofel> click on the latest upload version
[17:55] <yofel> on that page click on the architecture you want
[17:55] <yofel> and there you'll find the build log for that arch
[17:57] <fabo> argh doesn't help -> http://ftpmaster.internal/ubuntu/
[17:58] <fabo> I try to build my own image and it fails when I use ports.ubuntu.com
[17:58] <fabo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/865467/
[17:59] <yofel> those are just gpg warnings...
[18:02] <fabo> the build fails right after that
[18:02] <yofel> ah, might be because apt exits non-zero on that I think
[18:02] <yofel> fabo: if you're looking for the cd image logs, they're here: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/
[18:03] <yofel> that's about what I know about image building
[21:04] <schnelle> yofel: new kmess is officially released :)
[21:04] <yofel> schnelle: what was the issue again?
[21:05] <schnelle> yofel: new kmess was tagged in git but we were waiting for official tarball
[21:07] <schnelle> current kmess version in repositories doesn't work because changed something in their servers
[21:07] <schnelle> libmsn was updated but kmess doesn't use libmsn
[21:07] <yofel> schnelle: oneiric or precise?
[21:07] <schnelle> so we need new kmees for precise
[21:08] <yofel> schnelle: is it really broken in precise?
[21:09] <yofel> I was just taking another look at the changelog for -2, and it might not be
[21:11] <schnelle> yofel: I will test beta 1 later and will test kmess
[21:11] <schnelle> yofel: i assumed if it is broken in oneiric then it is broken in precise too
[21:11] <schnelle> because there weren't official kmess updates on their site till today
[21:12] <yofel> well, I made a mistake last time and didn't properly read the changelog, but this is only in precise:
[21:12] <yofel>   * Add follow-location-redirects.diff, this makes KMess usable with the latest
[21:12] <yofel>     changes in MSN servers. (Closes: #648080)
[21:14] <schnelle> yofel: well than kmess is fixed :) I will test it in precise and report back
[22:21] <rbelem> Riddell, ping
[22:21] <Riddell> hi rbelem, sorry I got distracted then went out
[22:21] <Riddell> I'll do the active packages in a bit
[22:23] <rbelem> Riddell, thanks :-)
[22:56] <ScottK> !ninjas | 4.8.1 tarballs up.
[22:56] <ScottK> ~ninjas | 4.8.1 tarballs up.
[22:56] <ScottK> OK, got it right the first time.
[22:57] <ScottK> Shall we use the .xz tarballs?
[22:58] <Riddell> rbelem: well I got the ksplash showing with a few tweaks to the packages
[22:58] <Riddell> but it doesn't run plasma-device after that
[22:58] <Riddell> I'm afraid I need to go to sleep now
[22:59] <rbelem> Riddell, could you upload your changes?
[23:01] <Riddell> no I didn't package them but the xsession script isn't in the package
[23:01] <Riddell> and /usr/share/kde4/apps/ksplash/Themes/ActiveAir/ needs some files in /usr/share/kde4/apps/ksplash/Themes/ActiveAir/images/
[23:01] <rbelem> Riddell, it is on the kubuntu-active-default-settings
[23:02] <rbelem> Riddell, i fixed that in the kde-active-artwork that is in the ppa
[23:03] <rbelem> Riddell, and i upstreamed the fix
[23:05] <bulldog98> ScottK: sounds good
[23:08] <yofel> \o/
[23:09] <yofel> ScottK: I'm all for xz as you know
[23:17] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/meta-kde] Philip Muškovac * 31 * debian/ (changelog rules) Bump for SC 4.8.1
[23:19] <bulldog98> yofel: no xz tars present in upstream location
[23:19] <yofel> bulldog98: it's in xz/ subfolder, so your script doesn't work
[23:20] <bulldog98> yofel: ok
[23:20] <yofel> I fetched everything with: rsync -avh --progress --delete ftpubuntu@ftpmaster.kde.org:/home/ftpubuntu/stable/4.8.1/src/xz/ 4.8.1
[23:20] <yofel> (If you have the bandwidth)
[23:20] <bulldog98> yofel: I have it by now :)
[23:21] <bulldog98> yofel: only command left is the rename command
[23:21] <yofel> klinksource works, just tested
[23:22] <bulldog98> ok
[23:24] <bulldog98> yofel: btw what’s our current workflow kgetsource, bzr builddeb -S, pbuilder?
[23:24] <yofel> pretty much
[23:24] <Riddell> rbelem: I still get stuck at http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/startactive-test.log
[23:25] <rbelem> Riddell, but the splash worked with kde-active-artwork ppa pkg?
[23:26] <bulldog98> yofel: what to do if symbols mismatch or something else?
[23:26] <bulldog98> not that they do in the current build
[23:27] <Riddell> rbelem: yes
[23:27] <yofel> for new ones just add them, for missing ones check if they're public and if yes troll upstream and use the debianabimanager to manually bump the SONAME
[23:27] <Riddell> rbelem: but plasma-device does not run
[23:28] <rbelem> Riddell, try remove the /usr/share/kde4/apps/startactive/modules/setup-contour-intro.module
[23:30] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/oxygen-icons] Philip Muškovac * 94 * debian/changelog New upstream release
[23:31] <Riddell> rbelem: yay it sort of works!
[23:31] <Riddell> plasma-desktop gets run as well as plasma-device
[23:32] <rbelem> Riddell, try remove the /usr/share/kde4/apps/startactive/modules/desktop.module
[23:32] <rbelem> Riddell, try remove the /usr/share/kde4/apps/startactive/modules/plasma-desktop.module
[23:32] <rbelem> :-D
[23:32] <Riddell> rbelem: No such file or directory
[23:32] <rbelem> Riddell, for both?
[23:32] <Riddell> /usr/share/kde4/apps/startactive/modules/plasma-desktop.module: No such file or directory
[23:33] <rbelem> Riddell, hum... i think we still need the desktop files that overrides the default for plasma-desktop
[23:35] <rbelem> Riddell, sudo chmod -x /usr/share/autostart/plasma-desktop.desktop
[23:35] <rbelem> Riddell, just to test :-)
[23:36] <Riddell> rbelem: that file isn't +x
[23:37] <Riddell> .desktop files aren't executable
[23:37] <rbelem> Riddell, oops
[23:37] <bulldog98> yofel: how do you do the l10n stuff?
[23:37] <rbelem> Riddell, i mean -r
[23:37] <yofel> bulldog98: last, using the script from the l10n branch
[23:37] <bulldog98> yofel: will it work right now?
[23:38] <yofel> no idea, with the xz tars probably not
[23:38] <yofel> we can figure that out once the rest is done
[23:38] <Riddell> rbelem: yay, working
[23:38] <Riddell> rbelem: but no mouse cursor.  theme missing?
[23:38] <rbelem> Riddell, that is expected
[23:39] <rbelem> Riddell, because it is meant for tablets
[23:39] <Riddell> oh I see :)
[23:39] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/smokegen] Philip Muškovac * 24 * debian/changelog New upstream release
[23:39] <rbelem> Riddell, but we can disable it
[23:39] <Riddell> probably we should disable it until someone gets a tablet to use :)
[23:40] <rbelem> Riddell, oki :-)
[23:40] <bulldog98> yofel: we should upload a new version of kubuntu-dev-tools to somewhere
[23:41] <rbelem> Riddell, my laptop will shutdown
[23:41] <rbelem> Riddell, could you apply these changes?
[23:41] <yofel> bulldog98: iirc debfx had something against uploading it to the archive. But I don't remember what the issue was
[23:42] <yofel> put it in ninjas if you want
[23:42] <rbelem> Riddell, i can update the kubuntu-active-default-settings
[23:44] <CIA-42> [lp:kubuntu-dev-tools] Jonathan Kolberg * 148 * debian/changelog Did an update of the changelog
[23:45] <Riddell> rbelem: ok so I'll upload these (but not tonight, prob tomorrow evening)
[23:46] <Riddell> we need to work out what is dragging plasma-desktop onto the kubuntu-active CD image
[23:46] <Riddell> and we're good to go
[23:46] <Riddell> I got my arm board working today too, but only for oneiric not precise yet
[23:46] <yofel> bulldog98: please put the changelog contents in the commit message, or describe the change you did - your message doesn't tell much..
[23:47] <bulldog98> yofel: only change the version and put my name into the comment line
[23:48] <yofel> well, "bump version for precise" would've told me that
[23:48] <bulldog98> yofel: I try to keep that in mind
[23:49] <yofel> thanks, takes practice :)
[23:50] <bulldog98> yofel: we don’t have something like an l10n script in kubuntu-dev-tools
[23:50] <bulldog98> afaiks
[23:50] <yofel> bulldog98: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging/L10nOperatorGuide
[23:50] <yofel> we do l10n last anyway
[23:51] <yofel> l10n is tricky
[23:51] <bulldog98> I don’t have upload rights either