[00:12] <Bacta> Hi, may I have my ban removed?
[00:14] <PriceChild> AHEM!! The IRC Council will be meeting Saturday 19th at 22utc in #ubuntu-meeting.
[00:14] <Bacta> Will they decide on my ban then?
 When will Ubuntu Masturbating Monkey be released?
[00:15] <Bacta> oh http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/info/6s1p7/comments/
[00:16] <Jack_Sparrow> Bacta You must have known that was not true
[00:17] <Bacta> yeah :(
[00:17] <Bacta> but you must always have hope
[00:17] <Bacta> I won't do it again
[00:18] <Myrtti> PriceChild: are you out of your mind? >__<
[00:19] <PriceChild> Myrtti: wanted to get one asap for a while... i can't do anything weekday which is compatible with elky.
[00:19] <Myrtti> ok.
[00:19] <Myrtti> PriceChild: I'll pack my Pink Fluffy Pen of Poking™ just for you.
[00:19] <PriceChild> :)
[00:20] <PriceChild> I'm sure I'll survive with a few hours less socialising on the sat
[00:20] <Myrtti> you?
[00:20] <Bacta> so can I have my ban removed?
[00:20] <Myrtti> and you think people like me, ompaul, Mez, etc wouldn't want to attend this meeting?
[00:21] <Myrtti> hmph
[00:21] <Myrtti> oh well.
[00:23] <PriceChild> Myrtti: hopefully there won't be much, it will be kept short and we'll get another meeting soon after.
[00:23] <Myrtti> hope so...
[00:24] <PriceChild> yeah its not ideal, yeah its far from ideal, but its at least a meeting
[00:25] <Bacta> can someone please look at my ban in #ubuntu?
[00:25] <Bacta> I've got some questions to ask about ALSA and it's quite hard when you don't have access to the chan
[00:25] <PriceChild> I've got to run now. *tacklehugs Myrtti on the way out*
[00:26] <Myrtti> eeeeeep
[00:26] <Myrtti> Jack_Sparrow: ^
[00:26] <Jack_Sparrow> Im in pm with him
[00:27] <Jack_Sparrow> He insists he just read the coc, but cant seem to find a link he used
[00:29] <Myrtti> thanks
[00:30] <Myrtti> I think it's time for me to give up for today, no matter how much I want to clean up this place
[00:35] <Myrtti> gaia alone knows when I'll sleep next time
[00:36] <Jack_Sparrow> Myrtti I could send you a picture of my office.. that would make you feel better
[00:37] <Myrtti> Jack_Sparrow: because it's a mess or because it's pink or because it's filled with stuffed penguins and polarbears and guinea pigs=
[03:05] <nhaines> I have a quick question.  Who is in charge of irclogs.ubuntu.com?
[03:06] <mneptok> nhaines: Canonical IS. something you need?
[03:06] <nhaines> Yes, I would like a hostname in a specific log redacted, but I would like to talk about it privately with someone.
[03:08] <nalioth> nhaines: i'm not sure they're gonna go for that
[03:08] <nhaines> nalioth: I wouldn't blame them, nevertheless it is very important.
[03:09] <mneptok> nhaines: i can say unequivocally that that will not happen
[03:09] <nhaines> I understand, but I still need to speak with someone and try.
[03:09] <mneptok> nhaines: you just did. :)
[03:10] <mneptok> nhaines: there is *no* way i would bring this to elmo. he'd kill me.
[03:10] <mneptok> (he's really itching for a better excuse. i won't give him one.) ;)
[03:10] <nhaines> haha  ;)
[03:11] <mneptok> nhaines: i've seen the IS request ticket queue. getting an IRC logfile edited will not happen before the sun goes red giant.
[03:17] <nhaines> Well, thank you for your time.  I don't wish to keep any of you.  :)
[03:17] <nhaines> Good night!
[03:19] <nalioth> i wonder if he was irc'g from the Playboy Mansion or something?
[03:19] <nalioth> ruin the reps of good nerds everywhere, that would
[04:17] <nickrud> of course I volunteer to work on the saturday that hell will freeze over
[04:18] <nickrud> ;)
[04:21] <Flannel> nickrud: Eh?
[04:21] <nickrud> the irc council meeting
[04:22] <nickrud> I thought hell would freeze over first ;)
[04:22] <Flannel> When's that?
[04:22]  * Flannel checks wiki, like a smart person.
[04:23] <nickrud> 3pm our time
[04:23]  * Hobbsee is surprised it's not on the mailing list
[04:24] <nickrud> Flannel you have one more web page to keep track of, http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/*/*/%23ubuntu-ops.html
[04:25] <Flannel> nickrud: I can just read buffers, but I didn't see it this morning.  Read... most of July from the logs.  and the ML since April
[04:26] <nickrud> Flannel heh. I did the same when I started. Due diligence and all that ;)
[04:26] <Flannel> So, IRC council is scheduled, but no agenda, eh?
[04:26] <Flannel> or rather, no topics on said agenda
[04:29] <mneptok> heya Flannel
[04:29] <Flannel> Howdy mneptok
[04:29] <Hobbsee> mneptok!
[04:30] <mneptok> Hobbsee!
[04:30]  * mneptok spews rum and pennies all over the channel
[04:30]  * Hobbsee throws her bricked phone at mneptok
[04:31]  * Flannel wonders why mneptok was drinking pennies.
[04:31] <mneptok> Hobbsee: i found the successor to The Pointy Stick Of DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!!one!!!!
[04:31] <mneptok> Hobbsee: http://noquarters.blogspot.com/2005/04/barbie-has-attitude-now-you-might.html
[04:31] <mneptok> just for you, behbeh
[04:32] <Hobbsee> mneptok: haha.
[04:32] <Hobbsee> mneptok: you wish
[04:34] <nickrud> Flannel that must have been dreary, reading all those logs in one sitting
[04:36] <Flannel> nickrud: Eh, wasn't too bad.  One benefit of wgetting them all is I got to grep myself, and see all the nasty things you all have been saying about me since Hoary
[04:37] <nickrud> :) I learned my lesson in the 80's, and thankfully all those boards are defunct, and the 8" floppies are probably corrupt by now
[04:39] <Flannel> nickrud: well, I was never a trouble maker, so that wasn't the problem.  Some of you were just jealous of my dashing good looks.
[04:39] <Jack_Sparrow> Thems fighting words
[04:40] <Flannel> Jack_Sparrow: be my guest!  fight nickrud all you like!
[04:40]  * nickrud thinks anyone who wears flannel in socal has some sartorial issues that would overwhelm any personal appearance
[04:40] <mneptok> nickrud: not to mention living in SoCal
[04:40] <Jack_Sparrow> nickrud  IS he a west coaster too..
[04:41] <nickrud> Jack_Sparrow yeah, I know. Closer to me than you are, I think. One more reason for you to come north for a drink
[04:41] <Jack_Sparrow> I better hide my duster and my cowboy hat
[04:41] <nalioth> Flannel: you live on the Left Coast?
[04:41] <Jack_Sparrow> nickrud Start our own revolution'
[04:42] <Flannel> nalioth: San Diego. So, depending on which definition of L/R...
[04:42] <nickrud> Jack_Sparrow wore that out in my teens and twenties. Now I just laugh at the whippersnapper optimists
[04:42]  * nalioth withholds comments on Left Coasters
[04:43] <nickrud> Maybe I'll hop the train south before the end of summer. Not about to drive it
[04:45]  * mneptok misses the wesside
[04:46] <Jack_Sparrow> nickrud If I go for a ride.. they are essential
[04:47] <Jack_Sparrow> nickrud Ah.. the coaster
[04:47] <nickrud> Jack_Sparrow yeah. I've used it a few times northward, it's pleasant
[04:48] <Jack_Sparrow> nickrud Maybe I should grab my bullet proof vest and make a run up to LA
[04:48] <nickrud> Jack_Sparrow I live on the westside, it's nothing like downtown San Diego
[04:48] <Flannel> Never a reason (other than LoCo) to go to LA.
[04:49] <Flannel> Jack_Sparrow: where are you, if you're going up to LA?
[04:49] <Jack_Sparrow> nickrud south east is where it is more like your south central
[04:49] <Jack_Sparrow> San Diego
[04:49] <Flannel> Jack_Sparrow: Whereabouts?
[04:49] <Jack_Sparrow> East COunty
[04:49] <nickrud> Jack_Sparrow downtown must have improved since I was there in the Navy in the 70's
[04:49] <Flannel> nickrud: very much.
[04:49] <Jack_Sparrow> nickrud yep, they really cleaned it up.
[04:50] <Jack_Sparrow> they did a whole downtown renovation thing
[04:50] <Flannel> hooray for city planning
[04:50] <Jack_Sparrow> Flannel where were you living down here
[04:50]  * nalioth delivered to all the nice parts of LA County when he drove big rigs
[04:50] <nickrud> If you want to see where I grew up, get a copy of The Last Detail , they spent a lot of time on first street in seattle
[04:50] <Jack_Sparrow> nalioth ouch
[04:50] <mneptok> nalioth: so you never made it to LA?
[04:50] <Flannel> Jack_Sparrow: I live up in Vista, but I go to school at SDSU, so I'm all over all the time.
[04:51] <mneptok> Flannel: Chula Vista?
[04:51] <Jack_Sparrow> nickrud I have two properties over in /near Shelton
[04:51] <Flannel> mneptok: No, just regular Vista
[04:51] <mneptok> *nod*
[04:51] <nalioth> mneptok: i drove my great huge truck through downtown LA more than once
[04:51] <Flannel> mneptok: If you haven't heard of it: oceanside is good enough
[04:51] <mneptok> nalioth: oh, the "nice parts" confused me ;)
[04:51] <Jack_Sparrow> East oceanside
[04:51] <Flannel> Vistaside
[04:51] <Jack_Sparrow> :)
[04:51] <Jack_Sparrow> How close to Costco
[04:51] <nickrud> Jack_Sparrow ah, the olympics foothills?
[04:52]  * Flannel is used to "oceanside" since even in San Diego, no one knows where Vista is.
[04:52] <Jack_Sparrow> nickrud yep, I love it up there
[04:52] <nalioth> mneptok: Compton, Watts, and other nice parts were more often visited
[04:52] <Flannel> Jack_Sparrow: Which Costco?  78 or Palomar Airport?
[04:52] <Jack_Sparrow> the one closest to 163
[04:52] <mneptok> nalioth: i'm gonna start calling you "Reginald Denny"
[04:53] <nalioth> why?  i've never been entertained by the locals
[04:53] <Jack_Sparrow> nickrud I have a whole city block in Shelton.. I bought it 15 years ago for next to nothing..  single rental on it
[04:53] <Flannel> Jack_Sparrow: er... 163?  That'd be... hmm, no.  52 is now a cox... thing. Where is there a costco on 163 now?
[04:53]  * nickrud walks in south central. Carefully, I admit, but mostly it's fine
[04:54] <Jack_Sparrow> 163 to 5something west to first exit
[04:54]  * Hobbsee wishes it were possible to say "please DDOS so and so", and people would do it.
[04:54] <nickrud> Hobbsee get on freenode staff
[04:55] <Flannel> Jack_Sparrow: you mean the one by the stadium?
[04:56] <Jack_Sparrow> Flannel no, 56? that goes from 163 to oceanside
[04:57] <Jack_Sparrow> Flannel I always confuse that with 52 in Lakeside
[04:57] <Flannel> 56 doesn't go from 163 to Oceanside.  56 is the new E/W one that goes between 5 and 15 in poway.  56 is a few (10?) miles north of 52.
[04:57] <Flannel> You mean 15?
[04:57] <Flannel> 163 turns into 15 going north (going south,it turns into downtown)
[04:57] <Jack_Sparrow> 163 = 15 = 395
[04:58]  * Hobbsee tries the other route
[04:58] <Flannel> 395 eh?
[04:58] <Jack_Sparrow> Pick a number and stick with it
[04:58] <Jack_Sparrow> Flannel When I used to go north it was 2 lanes and only a one lane bridge across the lake
[04:59] <Flannel> Yeah, yeah.  I know 395.  Just hasn't been called that in... well, it still is, it's just "Old Highway 395"
[04:59] <Jack_Sparrow> Born and raised here
[05:00] <Jack_Sparrow> I can get to Vista in about 30 minutes
[05:00] <Jack_Sparrow> other than rush hour
[05:00] <Jack_Sparrow> then 2 hours
[05:00] <Flannel> From east county?  More like 40.  Its 37 miles to SDSU
[05:01] <Jack_Sparrow> I can make gopher canyon rd in 42 min
[05:01] <Flannel> Yeah, thats staying on 15 though.  78 is a mess.  And the sprinter isn't helping (because it won't, because theyre stupid)
[05:02] <Jack_Sparrow> Sprinter, submarine..
[05:02]  * nickrud wonders if they realize just how boring it is, listening to local traffic info ;)
[05:02] <Jack_Sparrow> Byte this
[05:02] <Jack_Sparrow> Just trying to welcome in the new guy
[05:03] <nickrud> I am no respecter of persons, Flannel already knows that I thik
[05:03] <Flannel> nickrud: We could give you the weather forecast next: "Morning low clouds, burning off by midday, fog on the coast in the evening"
[05:04]  * Flannel is going to have to convince Jack_Sparrow to partake in some LoCo events in the future.
[05:04] <Jack_Sparrow> Heck, that isnt fair, it never changes
[05:04] <nickrud> heh. I live about 2 miles from the beach, it's loverly
[05:04] <Flannel> Jack_Sparrow: Well, if you memorize it, you don't need a weatherman.
[05:04] <Flannel> Jack_Sparrow: which is why John Coleman is the way he is.  No one needs a weatherman in SD.
[05:04] <Jack_Sparrow> :)
[05:05] <Flannel> nickrud: There, happy?  we've moved on to local television weathermen
[05:05] <Jack_Sparrow> The old guy in the bow tie.. remember him
[05:05] <Jack_Sparrow> Bob Dale
[05:05] <nickrud> Yep. Now I can sleep peacefully, knowing I've distracted you two from that black hole ;)
[05:11] <Jack_Sparrow> Flannel LEt me know when there is an event and I will see if I can make it
[05:14] <gnomefreak> does anyone need to be removed? i would love to test this script that has been updated
[05:14]  * nickrud is willing to be a guinea pig
[05:15] <gnomefreak> nickrud: you will let me remove you?
[05:15] <nickrud> sure, just remove the removal, please ;)
[05:16] <Jack_Sparrow> sure me too if you need a hampster
[05:16] <gnomefreak> im not banning you will beable to rejoin right away
[05:17] <gnomefreak> ok ready?
[05:17] <nickrud> go
[05:18] <Jack_Sparrow> Ziggy, zuggy, ziggy, zuggy oy oy oy
[05:18] <gnomefreak> crap
[05:18] <Jack_Sparrow> awww
[05:18] <gnomefreak> it doesnt work
[05:18] <gnomefreak> i guess i can fix it
[05:18] <nickrud> I'm just impervious, try jack
[05:21]  * nickrud considers flying out to texas, just to slap nalioth with a frozen fish
[05:21] <nalioth> might as well do it with a 2x4
[05:21] <nickrud> that makes 2 kicks in my irc lifetime ;)
[05:21] <nalioth> you weren't kicked
[05:22] <Jack_Sparrow> :)
[05:22] <nickrud> I'm terminally irc challenged, don't expect me to know what's what ;)
[05:23] <gnomefreak> why does the script not use color its just while while the rest are greenish
[05:23] <nalioth> what script?
[05:24] <Jack_Sparrow> what client
[05:24] <gnomefreak> auto_sev_bleh.pl      autorun       away_hilight_notice.pl  nm.pl
[05:24] <Jack_Sparrow> irissi
[05:24] <gnomefreak> irssi and the updated auto_sev_bleh
[05:24] <Flannel> gnomefreak: links vs regular file
[05:24] <Flannel> gnomefreak: ls -l
[05:25] <gnomefreak> i think i found it thanks Flannel now i just have to change permiissions
[05:25] <nalioth> gnomefreak: you need to read this:
[05:25] <Flannel> gnomefreak: Why are you changing permissions?
[05:25] <nalioth> Want to see if someone is identified to services at a glance?  http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#spoofing gnomefreak
[05:26] <gnomefreak> nalioth: -rw-r--r-- 1 gnomefreak gnomefreak 17990 Jul 17 00:22 auto_sev_bleh.pl
[05:27] <Flannel> gnomefreak: that should be fine.    All mine are 644
[05:27] <gnomefreak> Flannel: it is in autorun
[05:28] <gnomefreak> nalioth: oh that sounds like a good script
[05:28] <nalioth> gnomefreak: auto_sev_bleh is a channel management script.  the capab-identify script is differnet
[05:28] <gnomefreak> nalioth: i know
[05:28] <gnomefreak> once i get auto_sev done i will work on the one you posted
[05:29] <gnomefreak> i guess i can fix this i hope but we will find out if it works
[05:31] <nalioth> gnomefreak: you're missing hte point
[05:31] <nalioth> the capab-identify script will color your nicks ( any other coloring script will interfere with it )
[05:32] <gnomefreak> you mean the script that freenode is running will affect nick colors?
[05:33] <gnomefreak> brb i need to restart client
[05:33] <nalioth> gnomefreak: no, the script that YOU will run that interfaces with the signals the ircd sends you will
[05:35] <gnomefreak> it shouldnt affect the auto_sev_bleh
[05:36] <nalioth> no
[05:48] <gnomefreak> ikonia: if you are still around, the updated auto_sev_bleh i got from you doesnt work for some reason
[05:51] <gnomefreak> Flannel: what was the command you gave me again?
[05:53] <Flannel> gnomefreak: ls -l?
[05:53] <gnomefreak> thats what i thought :(
[05:53] <gnomefreak> oops i used la -l :(
[05:54] <Flannel> gnomefreak: to load it... /script load auto_sev_bleh
[05:54] <Flannel> .pl, but after auto just tab complete it
[05:54] <gnomefreak> 00:49 -!- Irssi: Loaded script auto_sev_bleh
[05:54] <gnomefreak> 00:49 -!- Irssi: Unknown command: ar
[05:55] <Flannel> That'd be an error
[05:55] <nalioth> gnomefreak: want one that does work?
[05:55] <gnomefreak> i have the old one
[05:56] <Flannel> http://www.debcenter.org/data/auto_bleh/ is the one I've got
[05:56] <gnomefreak> this one has new features
[05:56] <Flannel> the... -2008-02-13 one
[05:56] <Flannel> gnomefreak: Which features?
[05:56] <nalioth> gnomefreak: so use the old one
[05:56] <nalioth> Flannel: they're always cooking something up in #autobleh
[05:56] <gnomefreak> uto_bleh.pl,v 1.2.1 2008/01/24
[05:57] <Hobbsee> !ping
[05:57] <Flannel> nalioth: that channel was empty when I joined yesterday.  Ended up grepping these channel logs, and then going to #no0tic or whatnot, which the link in the title was timing out.  So uncle google saved me
[05:57] <gnomefreak> ah yours is newer and has same options
[05:58] <nalioth> mine works.
[06:00] <gnomefreak> its still white :(
[06:14] <gnomefreak> where was the original auto_sev_bleh at? it wasnt at irssi.org/scripts
[06:17]  * elkbuntu is home from work with an ear infection. :(
[06:17] <gnomefreak> elkbuntu: sorry to hear that
[06:18] <elkbuntu> now the real reason i speak: yobo2 wants his ban for versioning the floodbot to be lifted
[06:18] <elkbuntu> i didnt respond, i have no intentions of arguing with a fool while my ear hurts
[06:21] <gnomefreak> elkbuntu: so you send him to me?
[06:23] <yobo2> Hi, I appear to have been banned from #ubuntu for sending a CTCP version command to the flood bot. Can that ban be lifted please?
[06:24] <Bodsda> hello, i was just wondering why !ot no longer tells the person that they are being off topic, can something along those lines be added back to the factoid please. !ot seems to be just an ubuntu channel list now
[06:24] <Amaranth> !ot
[06:24] <Amaranth> *boggle*
[06:25] <Bodsda> hah, this is the current !ot factoid -- <ubottu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[06:26] <Amaranth> anyway, i gotta go
[06:26] <Amaranth> hope someone can help you guys
[06:26] <Bodsda> goodbye
[06:27] <elkbuntu> whoever set the !ot for here must either have been mneptok or someone sampling mneptok's wares
[06:27] <Bodsda> its different in different channels?
[06:27] <elkbuntu> they can be
[06:28] <Bodsda> elkbuntu, can you edit the #ubuntu !ot command please?
[06:28] <nalioth> Bodsda: it is.
[06:28] <gnomefreak> !find ot
[06:28] <gnomefreak> damn
[06:29] <Bodsda> just out of interest, how can i ask ubottu to display the 582 other packages?
[06:31] <Amaranth> ok, i guess i have a couple more minutes
[06:31] <Amaranth> yobo2: you're in #ubuntu right now
[06:31] <Amaranth> err, stupid OS X chat client
[06:31] <Amaranth> it says you are :/
[06:31] <Amaranth> @btlogin
[06:32] <Bodsda> Amaranth, my client (xchat) says that he is not
[06:32] <yobo2> Amaranth, It set +b but did not kick. I just left the channel a few minutes ago, though.
[06:33] <Amaranth> yobo2: did you VERSION the whole channel?
[06:33] <yobo2> Amaranth, yes.
[06:33] <Amaranth> yobo2: why?
[06:33] <yobo2> Amaranth, I was collecting stats. Just curious.
[06:33] <yobo2> I checked the guidelines before doing it.
[06:34] <Amaranth> Kind of violates "Be considerate" and "Be respectful"
[06:34] <nalioth> yobo2: ctcp'g an entire channel is rude.
[06:35] <Amaranth> And the common sense "Don't be an asshole"
[06:35] <nalioth> no 'ifs, ands or buts' about it
[06:35] <yobo2> I don't know; each user only saw a single CTCP version. IMHO that's not inconsiderate, disrespectful, or rude...
[06:35] <yobo2> Now maybe if I had done it to everybody twice in a row.
[06:36] <yobo2> It's not like I went in insulting people's mothers.
[06:36] <Amaranth> I'd say come back tomorrow
[06:36] <yobo2> That's fine. Can you update your guidelines to be a little clearer, though? I bet not a single one of you even noticed you were version'd.
[06:37]  * Flannel wasn't versioned.
[06:38] <Bodsda> Can i talk to someone about a certain persons behaviour in #ubuntu - id prefer a pm if thats ok
[06:39] <Amaranth> Bodsda: It would be better to discuss it here
[06:39] <gnomefreak> hmmmmm wasnt versioned either
[06:39] <gnomefreak> not like we can miss that
[06:39] <Amaranth> I think he failed at versioning everyone but managed to trigger the bot
[06:40] <Flannel> wooo me.
[06:41] <gnomefreak> he might have versioned channel and we all kno bots are faster than us
[06:41] <Bodsda> ok, first off, i dont actually have a log of this person being rude but i know people who will confirm what i say. (bazhang has seen it many a time) wols / wols_ is persistently rude and obnoxious to users who dont fully understand him, while his advice is good and always correct, today i felt inclined to apologise to somebody for his behaviour
[06:41] <gnomefreak> so bot caught it before it hit anyone
[06:41] <gnomefreak> i can confirm that as well
[06:42] <Amaranth> Yes, I've seen that
[06:42] <gnomefreak> Bodsda: what is it you would like to see happen
[06:42] <Amaranth> Never enough to ban him though
[06:42] <gnomefreak> or are you just letting us know
[06:42] <gnomefreak> Amaranth: once or twice from what i saw
[06:43] <Bodsda> gnomefreak, i would like an official warning. he may not be comitting a ban'able offense, he is still not following the rules. Continuation of his behaviour after a warning (i believe) should result in a time ban
[06:43] <Bodsda> a few days or something
[06:44] <Hobbsee> wols is causing trouble *again*?
[06:44] <Bodsda> not at this present time, but today 'again' yes
[06:46] <Bodsda> gnomefreak, or am i being a bit over the top?
[06:52] <Bodsda> has anyone looked into the factoid?
[06:53] <gnomefreak> Bodsda: when we see it we will warn him if that doesnt work than we can go to next level but normally he stops atleast for a little while. Ive only had him fight meafter a warn
[06:53] <gnomefreak> once
[06:55] <Bodsda> gnomefreak, thank you. I don't mean to be rude but if you'v warned him before and he has gone back to his rude behaviour, why will another warning help? or is 2 warnings the norm for this type of behaviour?
[06:56] <gnomefreak> is it really that hard to addd a help section on top of the script to say what commands do what :(
[06:57] <Flannel> gnomefreak: Which script?
[06:57] <gnomefreak> Bodsda: we cant do anything after a certain period of time normally when it happens
[06:57] <gnomefreak> Flannel: scriptassist.pl
[06:57] <gnomefreak> it updates your scripts fo ryou
[06:57] <gnomefreak> for you
[06:58] <Bodsda> gnomefreak, so rude behaviour followed by a small section of good behaviour means you cant do anything? seems like a bad loop hole in the rules if you ask me
[06:59] <Flannel> gnomefreak: /scriptassst help
[06:59] <Flannel> er, except spell assist correctly
[06:59] <gnomefreak> Bodsda: depends on what he does after the warning and if it become habit daily or so than we can do something
[06:59] <gnomefreak> ;)
[07:00] <Bodsda> gnomefreak, it is a habit whenever someone replies with 'i dont quite understand'
[07:00] <gnomefreak> Flannel: cant it wont load
[07:00] <Hobbsee> Bodsda: the guy did get a holiday for a while, btw.
[07:01] <Flannel> gnomefreak: Alright, scroll down a page or two here, you'll see the contents of it: http://scripts.irssi.org/html/scriptassist.pl.html
[07:01] <Bodsda> Hobbsee, sorry?
[07:01] <Hobbsee> he did get a ban for a while
[07:01] <gnomefreak> yeah i clicked help but that really failed to help
[07:01] <Bodsda> Hobbsee, oh, for the same offence?
[07:02] <gnomefreak> script load '.$script
[07:02] <gnomefreak> oops
[07:02] <Hobbsee> i think so
[07:02] <Bodsda> it just seems odd that there's no repercussions for persistent bad behaviour, even after a ban
[07:02] <gnomefreak> /usr/lib/irssi/modules/libload_script.so: cannot open shared object  file: No such file or directory
[07:03] <Flannel> gnomefreak: not /load but /script load [file]
[07:03] <gnomefreak> thats what i get on trying to load so i would say its borked
[07:04] <Flannel>  /load tries to load modules (.so) not scripts
[07:04] <gnomefreak> Flannel: thanks that worked
[07:04] <Bodsda> anyway, can anyone help with the !ot factoid in #ubuntu ?
[07:05] <gnomefreak> \&cmd_scripassist
[07:05] <gnomefreak> damn
[07:06] <Flannel> Bodsda: What do you think a better wording would be?
[07:06] <Bodsda> !ot no longer tells the person that they are being off topic, can something along those lines be added back to the factoid please. !ot seems to be just an ubuntu channel list now
[07:07] <gnomefreak> !ot
[07:07] <gnomefreak> lol
[07:07] <Flannel> !ot-#ubuntu
[07:07] <Bodsda> his is the current !ot factoid -- <ubottu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[07:07] <Bodsda> this*
[07:07] <Flannel> aww
[07:07] <gnomefreak> !offtopic
[07:07] <Flannel> !#ubuntu-ot
[07:07]  * Flannel randomly tries stuff.
[07:07] <gnomefreak> Flannel: #ubuntu is default
[07:07] <Flannel> gnomefreak: Its just the alias thats different here.  I see.
[07:08] <Bodsda> i dont think the factoid tells the recipient that they are offtopic, it merely tells them about 3 channels
[07:08] <Flannel> Bodsda: Personally, I just type it out to the people.
[07:08] <gnomefreak> !offtopicforofftopic
[07:09] <gnomefreak> what is that factoid :(
[07:09] <Flannel> Bodsda: I think it was changed and assumed people would be intelligent enough to put two and two together.
[07:09] <Flannel> !o4o
[07:09] <gnomefreak> !otforot
[07:09] <gnomefreak> ah
[07:09] <Bodsda> Flannel, yeah, but im lazy ;~) and often forget the factoids been changed, then people ask me why i told them about -offtopic & +1
[07:09] <gnomefreak> Bodsda: does that work
[07:09] <Flannel> gnomefreak: that's not what he's talking about
[07:09] <Bodsda> gnomefreak, does what work?
[07:09] <gnomefreak> should we link the !ot to o4o?
[07:09] <Flannel> gnomefreak: no.
[07:09] <gnomefreak> oh
[07:10] <Flannel> gnomefreak: He's talking about "!offtopic" being a "here's a list of channels!" instead of "hey
[07:10] <Flannel> "hey! you're being offtopic"
[07:10] <Bodsda> yes
[07:12] <Bodsda> sorry, also theres is one other factoid ive noticed could do with a change, the !nickspam needs to be shortened, perhaps by making a seperate factoid for noisyAway
[07:17]  * Bodsda waits patiently for signs of life
[07:18] <Flannel> Bodsda: I agree.
[07:18] <Bodsda> Flannel, what with?
[07:19] <Bodsda> nickspam?
[07:19] <Flannel> well, both.  The latter is easy to fix.  former requires new text, suggestion?
[07:19] <Flannel> Although the former is less of an issue.
[07:20] <gnomefreak> !nickspam
[07:20] <gnomefreak> hmmm
[07:20] <gnomefreak> !away
[07:21] <Flannel> gnomefreak: easy to just remove the away bit
[07:21] <Flannel> Oh, theyre linked?  that explains it.
[07:21] <gnomefreak> easy if you know sed
[07:21] <Flannel> gnomefreak: PCRE++
[07:21]  * gnomefreak shakey on sed
[07:21] <Bodsda> #ubuntu is the support channel, off topic chatter should be reserved for #ubuntu-offtopic . Please only post in this channel if you have a support question or if you are giving support to someone.
[07:21] <Flannel> gnomefreak: Could always just copy/paste
[07:22] <gnomefreak> Flannel: normally i do but if we remove it we have to have  another for !away
[07:22] <Flannel> Bodsda: The last sentence is a bit authoritarian.
[07:22] <gnomefreak> or the parts removed
[07:22] <Flannel> doesn't sound like a bad idea.
[07:23] <Flannel> They're separate issues, even if the cause is technically the same
[07:23] <Bodsda> Flannel, agreed, hhmm,.,. perhaps    Please try and keep posts related to support questions/answers
[07:24] <gnomefreak> Flannel: ar eyou an editor?
[07:24] <Bodsda> my problem with !nick spam is the part "it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair to new users" when actually the factoid causes more scrolling then nic changes
[07:24] <gnomefreak> for bot
[07:24] <Flannel> Bodsda: Well, if you think of a better one, just recommend it via ubotu.  For now ot can't hurt.
[07:25] <gnomefreak> if not let me know what to remove and i will
[07:25] <Flannel> gnomefreak: I am, remember earlier?
[07:25] <gnomefreak> no :(
[07:25] <gnomefreak> @whoami
[07:25] <Bodsda> Flannel, how do i suggest something to ubotu?
[07:25] <gnomefreak> ok can we get bot to use hostmasks to reconize editors
[07:25] <Bodsda> s/suggest/recommend
[07:26] <gnomefreak> @login
[07:26] <Flannel> Bodsda: something is something.  Do it in a query and it'll get forwarded here.
[07:26] <Flannel> gnomefreak: supybot can recognize based on hosts
[07:26] <gnomefreak> but its not
[07:26]  * Flannel assumed it was.
[07:26] <gnomefreak> and its not supy is it?
[07:27] <Flannel> gnomefreak: it is
[07:27] <gnomefreak> if it was using hosts that it would log you in automaticly
[07:27] <Flannel> gnomefreak: I don't know if you can add your own host or not
[07:27] <Flannel> I mean, you can with supybot, not sure if ubotu is modified in that regard
[07:28] <Flannel> Bodsda: don't worry about the nickspam stuff, I'll take care of it.
[07:28] <gnomefreak> Flannel: inly the owner can. but like ubotu would always recognize you unless there was a crash or somethng with ubotu
[07:28] <Flannel> gnomefreak: then its just something that needs to be set up
[07:29] <Bodsda> Flannel, ok cheers, ok i think im done now ;~) ot nickspam away    thanks guys
[07:30] <Flannel> no problem Bodsda
[07:30] <Bodsda> bye
[07:30] <gnomefreak> !away
[07:30] <gnomefreak> noone changed it
[07:30] <Flannel> gnomefreak: not yet
[07:30] <Flannel> I'm talking to you.
[07:30] <Bodsda> lol
[07:30] <Flannel> I'll get to it.  Don't worry.
[07:30]  * jussi01 walks
[07:30] <Bodsda> cheers, cya
[07:30] <Flannel> I'm not so hot on the offtopic change though.
[07:30]  * gnomefreak got both scripts to run ;)
[07:31] <Flannel> gnomefreak: You can poke jussi01 about hostmasks
[07:31] <gnomefreak> juliux: can we get bot set up like ubotu with recognizing editors by hostmasks?
[07:31] <gnomefreak> damn
[07:31] <gnomefreak> jussio1: ^^^
[07:32] <jussi01> If you want changes to the features of the bot, go find stdin - I can do admin stuff but not changing things like that
[07:32]  * jussi01 's python skills are lacking
[07:32] <gnomefreak> jussio1: ok thanks i will when i find him
[07:32] <Flannel> Its not something that needs to be changed.  Its just a configuration.  I *think* users can add their own hostmasks
[07:33] <jussi01> gnomefreak: hehe, you keep using my alter ego nick :P
[07:34] <Flannel> gnomefreak: try this: "hostmask add gnomefreak [hostmask] password"  change password, don't need to change [hostmask]
[07:34] <Flannel> oh actually, if youre logged in, you dontneed the password
[07:35] <gnomefreak> did it work for you?
[07:35] <jussi01> Flannel: only owner can do that
[07:35] <Flannel> I haven't tried it.
[07:35] <Flannel> jussi01: You sure?
[07:35] <gnomefreak> .me not owner
[07:35] <jussi01> which happens tobe me...
[07:35] <gnomefreak> jussi01: is owner i thought
[07:35] <jussi01> Flannel: try it!
[07:35] <jussi01> if it lets you then its broken.
[07:35] <Flannel> mine succeeded.
[07:36] <Flannel> :P
[07:36] <gnomefreak> Flannel: are the [] and "" needed?
[07:36] <Flannel> I don't think its an owner thing.  I'm adding a hostmask to my account
[07:36] <jussi01> hrm, going to have to have a look at that with stdin
[07:36] <Flannel> gnomefreak: the []: hostmask add gnomefreak [hostmask]
[07:37] <gnomefreak> with a @?
[07:37] <Flannel> jussi01: hostmask is in the user plugin, not admin or owner, so I think thats how it works
[07:37] <Flannel> gnomefreak: What?  just message it to ubottu
[07:37] <Flannel> gnomefreak: /msg ubottu hostmask add gnomefreak [hostmask]
[07:37] <Flannel> and then disconnect and reconnect, and we'll see.
[07:37] <jussi01> If we want to talk about this further, please join #ubuntu-ircbots-team
[07:40] <gnomefreak> hostmask add gnomefreak gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak  doesnt work
[07:40] <gnomefreak> t says it needs ! and @ and friends
[07:41] <Flannel> gnomefreak: join the other channel
[07:41] <gnomefreak> Flannel: ok
[07:43] <Myrtti> meh
[07:51] <Flannel> !away
[07:51] <Flannel> !nickspam
[07:52] <Flannel> anyone see any grammar issues?
[07:52] <nickrud> I'd change unrequired to excessive, and - should be because
[07:53] <jussi01> Flannel: theres no need to have 2 different factoids...
[07:53] <Flannel> jussi01: The combined one was getting big
[07:53] <Flannel> and I agree, three lines on my screen is more than a facotid should be.
[07:53] <jussi01> Flannel: youve been talking to ompaul too much
[07:53] <Flannel> but, feel free to revert.  It actually wasn't linked, oddly enough.  they just had the same text.
[07:53] <nickrud> that's been a long term complaint by others as well
[07:54] <jussi01> meh, whatever
[07:55] <Myrtti> there used to be two of those
[07:55] <nickrud> jussi01 you should see the scrolling when 3 or 4 long ones get triggered successively
[07:56] <jussi01> the thing for me is, that factoid 90% of the time should be used with a >
[07:56] <Flannel> jussi01: it should, but that doesn't mean everyone does.
[08:05] <gnomefreak> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat needs to be updated atleast the ubotu part
[08:06] <jussi01> gnomefreak: yep
[08:06] <jussi01> gnomefreak: Ive beenthinking of doinf that for a whuile
[08:06] <gnomefreak> i cant believe i cant find a channel to join
[08:08] <gnomefreak> how is the fourms channel?
[08:08] <jussi01> gnomefreak: #ubuntu-bots
[08:08] <jussi01> gnomefreak: boring...
[08:08] <jussi01> gnomefreak: #kubuntu-kde4
[08:09] <gnomefreak> yeah ive been thinking of that one
[08:09] <jussi01> #freenode can be fun at times.... :P
[08:09] <gnomefreak> have it
[08:09] <jussi01> #ubuntustudio
[08:09] <Flannel> studio is pretty dead most of the time
[08:09] <jussi01> yeah
[08:09] <nickrud> there's always ##politics
[08:10] <jussi01> I wish it wasnt and that we had more people
[08:10] <jussi01> nickrud: rofl
[08:10]  * gnomefreak leaning towards #bzr #bash #ubuntu-bots  at this moment
[08:10] <jussi01> gnomefreak: are you looking for a new project to be involved in?
[08:10] <gnomefreak> i can join all of them but anything over 20 channels it doesnt identify me automaticly
[08:10] <Flannel> What?
[08:11] <jussi01> Flannel: ubuntu studio is looking for people right now
[08:11] <gnomefreak> jussi01: it can be but mostly where i can ask qestions or help people
[08:12] <gnomefreak> if i run into python code not workiing i am in #python so i can ask (that is example)
[08:12] <gnomefreak> jussi01: to do what?
[08:12] <jussi01> gnomefreak: Documentation, artwork and, as always, packagers.
[08:12] <gnomefreak> ah
[08:13] <Flannel> jussi01: right now my time is taken up with LoCo team, and -marketing, a specific marketing project, at that.
[08:13] <Myrtti> MEEEEHH.
[08:13] <gnomefreak> mines taken up on mozilla team
[08:13] <jussi01> Myrtti: meep?
[08:13] <Flannel> Myrtti: eh?
[08:13] <Myrtti> trying to wake up
[08:13] <gnomefreak> i dont think Myrtti sleeps ever
[08:13] <Myrtti> I've got a todo as long as my arm
[08:14] <Myrtti> true, I don't
[08:14] <jussi01> gnomefreak: yeah, I always used to get hilighted by your potty mouuuh in there :P (so I parted)
[08:14] <Flannel> so, whats the best course of action for max in #ubuntu?  Keeps changing his nick back to max (which then gets changed to Guest#####).  Forward him here?  just remove him?
[08:14] <gnomefreak> ;)
[08:14] <gnomefreak> Myrtti: ill trade you to do lists
[08:14] <jussi01> Flannel: pm first Id say
[08:15] <Flannel> jussi01: yeah, I just thought about that after asking.
[08:15] <jussi01> :)
[08:16] <Myrtti> gnomefreak: -fluffy pen -wash dishes -clean bathroom -dvds -ticket -passport -creditcard -guineapigs -trash -flowers -vacuum -wipe the floors -meds -storage room -crochet wip -business cards -clean the cage
[08:16] <Flannel> Myrtti: there's a #ubunut-clean-the-cage channel?
[08:16] <Myrtti> that's my todo, silly
[08:17] <gnomefreak> we have about the same but 1 of mine is to fix/re-write ~20 wikis
[08:17] <gnomefreak> so that counts at 2?
[08:17] <gnomefreak> 20?
[08:18] <Flannel> 1 with 20 subpoints!
[08:18] <gnomefreak> Flannel: should it be #ubuntu-clean-*
[08:18] <jussi01> Myrtti: you need the padded things for the ops fight!
[08:19] <Myrtti> jussi01: pillows.
[08:20] <Myrtti> jussi01: and three small bottles of Salmari
[08:20] <jussi01> hehe
[08:20] <Myrtti> was actually considering going to buy few more bottles of those cloudberry thingies
[08:20] <Myrtti> since I'll obviously not have time to bake those darned cookies
[08:22] <gnomefreak> ok i think im set be back
[08:24] <bazhang> max has to be a bot
[08:24] <gnomefreak> juywhat was the kde4 channel?
[08:24]  * Flannel plays "how many channels am I in with gnomefreak"
[08:24] <gnomefreak> jussio1: what was jde4 channle
[08:24] <bazhang> he has told to change his nick sooo many times.
[08:24] <Flannel> bazhang: is he back?
[08:24]  * Myrtti plays "how many channels can I avoid joining"
[08:24] <bazhang> Flannel, saw you kick him
[08:24] <Flannel> bazhang: yeah, thats why I kicked him.
[08:25] <Flannel> bazhang: Doesn't have to be a bot.  Could be some odd my-name-is-max script
[08:26] <bazhang> Flannel, good point.
[08:29]  * gnomefreak thinks religion == bad topic
[08:29] <elkbuntu> it's a dangerous one
[08:29] <gnomefreak> kind of like politics
[08:29] <jussi01> gnomefreak: #kubuntu-kde4
[08:29] <gnomefreak> jussi01: im there i think
[08:29] <gnomefreak> i added it to autojoin
[08:30] <jussi01> yep, seen
[08:31] <gnomefreak> i wish i can autojoin more than 20 with being identified during join
[08:31] <jussi01> gnomefreak: are you in #ubuntu-bugs ?
[08:31] <jussi01> gnomefreak: go bug nalioth or PriceChild
[08:31] <gnomefreak> for some reason anything over 20 freenode doesnt auto id me
[08:31] <gnomefreak> jussi01: yes
[08:32] <gnomefreak> jussi01: there isnt anything that can be done
[08:32] <jussi01> gnomefreak: you have to have specialnesto be in more than 20
[08:32] <gnomefreak> i have +u
[08:32] <jussi01> gnomefreak: works perfect for me...
[08:33] <jpds> gnomefreak: Do you identify before joining channels?
[08:33] <gnomefreak> but joining over 20 freenode doesnt identify me so i woul dhav eto /ns identify
[08:33] <jussi01> gnomefreak: sounds like a client issue
[08:33] <gnomefreak> jpds: yes but can only do it with 20 channel
[08:33] <jpds> gnomefreak: Which client do you use?
[08:33] <gnomefreak> jussi01: irssi
[08:33] <gnomefreak> its possible
[08:33] <jussi01> quassel FTW
[08:33] <jpds> gnomefreak: Add: "wait 2000" to the end of your autosendcmd's
[08:34] <gnomefreak> jpds: iirc i have longer than that
[08:34] <Myrtti> ...
[08:34] <Myrtti> hm
[08:34] <Myrtti> I wonder how many channels I've got
[08:34] <jpds> gnomefreak: Works fine here.
[08:35] <gnomefreak> autosendcmd = "/umode +wQ;/quote capab identify-msg;/nicklist screen;wait -freenode 100000";
[08:36] <gnomefreak> thats under hatnets = { freenode = { type = "IRC"; };
[08:36] <gnomefreak> section
[08:36] <jpds> gnomefreak: Remove the -freenode. Mine goes: http://paste.ubuntu.com/27941/
[08:38] <Dave2> a vast network of hats.
[08:39] <gnomefreak> jpds: you dont use +u in the mode nick +iw; section?
[08:39] <jpds> gnomefreak: Nick "bestows the power of +u on" me.
[08:39] <jpds> NickServ*
[08:40] <gnomefreak> yes but you dont have it with the +iw(not sure what these are)
[08:40] <gnomefreak> i think i use +e +i +u
[08:40] <Dave2> you don't need to manually +u yourself
[08:41] <gnomefreak> what is w?
[08:41] <Dave2> receive wallops
[08:41] <gnomefreak> ah
[08:41] <Dave2> http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml
[08:42] <gnomefreak> ok be right back lets test this
[08:43] <Myrtti> I'm going to bomb -ot to kingdom come
[08:43] <Flannel> Myrtti: to be honest, the "there could maybe be someone in this channel who might not be comfortable" isn't a realistic litmus test.
[08:44] <gnomefreak> jpds: thanks it works :)
[08:44] <jpds> gnomefreak: Glad to hear that. :)
[08:44] <Myrtti> Flannel: there is someone on that channel who isn't comfortable with that topic
[08:44] <Myrtti> that's me
[08:44] <Myrtti> I was eating my breakfast
[08:46] <Flannel> Myrtti: We move to the "no one's forcing you to look" argument.  Bring up issues of being condiserate, yadda yadda.
[08:47] <Myrtti> Flannel: ... of course I could then play my card of "unfortunately I'm an op and have to look"
[08:47] <nickrud> I find most things in there nauseating, but I still look in now and then, like an accident on the freeway
[08:47] <Myrtti> but I wont
[08:49] <bazhang> in #politics?
[08:49] <Flannel> Myrtti: Being an op and "having to look" means while you're looking, you take your personal bias away.  Just because you aren't keen on an otherwise legal conversation/whatever doesn't mean you get to stop it.
[08:50] <Myrtti> well, for what I'm conserned, my and elkeees request of changing the topic worked
[08:50] <Flannel> Myrtti: Just because it "worked" doesn't mean it was proper.
[08:50] <Myrtti> I dunno
[08:51] <Flannel> Having said that, the conversation had run its ground for the most part.
[08:51] <gnomefreak> works like a charm :) is ~4:00am so maybe ill save the adding of alternate nick in config file
[08:52] <gnomefreak> !channels
[08:52] <bazhang> changing nick means losing cloak? ie something other than alternate (bazhang_)
[08:52] <gnomefreak> i dont get it
[08:53] <Flannel> bazhang: I believe cloaks are associated with the group
[08:53] <Myrtti> Flannel: well, I agree. I watched the most of the discussion and didn't mind most of it
[08:53] <bazhang> Flannel, thanks :)
[08:53] <gnomefreak> bazhang: should id you once it joins (example your network goes out and bazhang is still in channel but not active due to net failure it would join as alternate nick and id on join
[08:54] <bazhang> gnomefreak, well that I know (thanks); just wanted to do something like elk-eee for a bit and did not know if that was possible without losing cloak
[08:55] <Flannel> bazhang: I believe you'd lose it, yes.  Could always try it.
[08:55] <bazhang> hehe
[08:55] <bazhang> too risky :)
[08:55] <gnomefreak> unless registered you would lose it
[08:55]  * bazhang got ddos'd the second day as op
[08:56]  * myricagale hmmles
[08:56] <myricagale> see?
[08:57] <bazhang> :)
[08:57] <gnomefreak> myricagale: you kept clock
[08:57] <gnomefreak> cloak
[08:57] <myricagale> (that's the scientific name of the plant I picked my nick on ca. 1997)
[08:57] <Flannel> gnomefreak: still in the account.
[08:58] <Myrtti> /msg Nickserv help identify ?
[08:59] <Myrtti> Syntax: IDENTIFY <nick> <password>
[08:59] <Myrtti> HTH :-P
[08:59] <gnomefreak> damn i looked at that way too fast it looked like Myrtti password was password :(
[09:00] <Myrtti> hm
[09:00] <Myrtti> tadah.
[09:00] <gnomefreak> @whoami
[09:00] <gnomefreak> good bot
[09:01] <marmelaati> @whoami
[09:01] <marmelaati> @login
[09:01] <marmelaati> yup
[09:01] <Flannel> but still on the account
[09:01] <Myrtti> anyway
[09:22] <bazhang> hmm used to be you had to add their repos; good thing I gave a notice of being out of touch on that :)
[09:22] <Flannel> bazhang: As of Hardy, Myth and studio are official flavors.  Although I don't agree with the non-functioning -desktop package
[09:22] <bazhang> Flannel, nice! thanks
[09:54] <bazhang> today, much like any other day, is 'ubuntu gripes day' :)
[10:26] <juliux> gnomefreak: ?
[10:27] <gnomefreak> juliux: it was tab error i was meaning jussio1
[10:27] <jussi01> gnomefreak: or jussi01 maybe? :P
[10:28] <gnomefreak> either or sorry for the ping juliux
[10:28] <juliux> gnomefreak: ah np
[10:29] <juliux> gnomefreak: i was just wondering because we have a own ubuntu-de bot;9
[10:32] <Myrtti> omg lol now I can be larted for using np. script.
[11:04] <Myrtti> I'm so close on flipping out EEEEEPPPP
[11:04]  * Myrtti screams and runs around in circles
[11:08]  * Tm_T hugs Myrtti
[11:08] <Myrtti> AHA! First item on todo checked
[11:08] <Tm_T> to get hug from me?
[11:09]  * Tm_T thinks Myrtti has weird todo
[11:09] <Myrtti> I've lost my allergy meds
[11:09] <Tm_T> ouch
[11:10]  * Myrtti finds them, checks another item off the todo
[11:36]  * Myrtti screams more
[12:09]  * Myrtti screams again
[12:09]  * Myrtti kicks her multifunction POS samsung scx-4200
[12:18]  * jussi01 hugs Myrtti
[12:18]  * jussi01 drools over: http://www.fiskerautomotive.com/
[12:19] <Myrtti> DAMNED MFP
[12:20] <Tm_T> iu
[12:21] <Tm_T> jussi01: that's the one they intend to manufacture in Finland?
[12:23] <jussi01> Tm_T: yep
[12:25] <Tm_T> hrrr
[12:25] <Tm_T> might be good when it's out
[12:41]  * Pici rolls his eyes
[13:22]  * Myrtti meeps weakly
[13:22] <Pici> vroom vroom
[13:22] <Pici> Hi Myrtti, how are you today?
[13:23] <Myrtti> hot, panic-ridden
[13:24] <Myrtti> just ran to the library to print the ticket cause I can't be arsed to make that mfp to work
[13:24] <Myrtti> bought more cloudberry liqueur
[13:24] <Pici> yum
[13:26] <Myrtti> btw, was looking at the #xubuntu ban list yesterday, perhaps it should be looked over with cody sometime
[13:27] <Pici> Lots of old bans?
[13:29] <Myrtti> not lots, but most are set by the server as in I doubt no one remembers what they're fore
[13:29] <Myrtti> -e
[13:29] <Pici> hrm :/
[13:53] <Pici> !ping
[15:13] <Myrtti> so now I've got five miniture bottles of cloudberry liqueur
[15:13] <Myrtti> note: five
[15:14] <Jack_Sparrow> four, tree, du.  ummm
[15:51] <bazhang> jin (just banned) was likely thai; some of them do have 'porn' in their names
[15:51] <Jack_Sparrow> Agreed
[15:51] <Pici> bazhang: you mean their real names?
[15:51] <Myrtti> adsl-pool-222.123.105-71.tttmaxnet.com
[15:52] <bazhang> Pici, yes; a wimbledon tennis player comes to mind
[15:52] <Pici> bazhang: I dont follow tennis
[15:52] <Myrtti> jin<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:52] <Tm_T> interesting
[15:53] <Myrtti> goah
[15:53]  * Myrtti goes to continue washing the dishes
[16:27] <myrtti> MWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
[16:27] <myrtti>  Myrtti<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #kesakoodi
[16:29] <Pici> Is that 'moaning myrtti'?
[16:29] <myrtti> yup :-D
[16:29] <Tm_T> :))
[16:29] <Pici> :)
[16:29] <myrtti> grumping would be more accurate
[16:29] <myrtti> but hey, what can I do
[16:30] <myrtti> it wouldn't fit
[16:30] <bazhang> nixnoob back in the news
[16:30] <Pici> hm?
[16:31] <Pici> yeah
[16:45] <nalioth> no grumblecookies today, plesae
[16:45] <nalioth> it is a very good day
[16:49] <Pici> nixnoob...
[16:51] <myrtti> nalioth: I just had one
[16:51] <myrtti> was washing the dishes and broke a wine glass, unnoticed and slit my fingers a bit on the shards
[16:56] <nalioth> :(
[17:59] <Jack_Sparrow> nixn))b is ban evading
[18:00] <Pici> again?
[18:00] <Pici> Jack_Sparrow: I removed him earlier from evading your first ban
 for my next trick i will spoof your ip and rejoin
[18:00] <Pici> What a maroon.
[18:01] <jussi01> right...
[18:02] <nalioth> how is he ban evading if you banned his IP ?
 Jack_Sparrow you kno there exists such a thing as a proxy, IRC bans are pointless.
[18:03] <Jack_Sparrow> brb
[18:36] <Myrtti> pleia2: is it just me...?
[18:37] <pleia2> Myrtti: stab stab
[18:37] <pleia2> :)
[18:47] <Jack_Sparrow> bbl, I need to make a service call...
[18:47] <Pici> -women?
[18:47] <pleia2> as usual
[18:48]  * Myrtti shakes her head
[18:48] <Myrtti> oh dear
[18:48] <Myrtti> LORD
[18:48] <Myrtti> I feel like I've lost a leg or am defor.mmm right
[18:49] <Myrtti> gender is a deformation...
[18:49] <Myrtti> MEH
[18:49] <Myrtti> I'm like going to have that shower now
[18:49] <Myrtti> meh.
[18:49] <Flannel> Showers cure deformities?  Its a miracle!
[18:50] <Myrtti> I just find it odd that suddenly a presumed man shows intrest to get women intrested in Linux
[18:51] <Myrtti> and finds the first good idea to be "lets find girlish themes!"
[18:51] <Myrtti> what's wrong with the picture?
[18:51] <Pici> s/linux/himself/?
[18:51] <Myrtti> Pici: exactly.
[18:51] <Myrtti> "lets get women intrested in linux. maybe I might have a chance then"
[18:51] <Myrtti> or something along those lines
[18:52] <Myrtti> ooh, I'm being snappy
[18:52] <Myrtti> time to RILLY have that shower
[18:53]  * pleia2 pats Myrtti
[18:53] <pleia2> the patience of a saint is required for -women
[18:53] <pleia2> we're supposed to educate every troll that comes by, or else we get labelled as being too aggressive
[18:53] <Pici> and without the dash. :P
[18:53]  * Pici kids
[18:53]  * pleia2 nudges Pici :P
[18:53] <pleia2> which is unfair, but s'just how the world works
[18:54] <pleia2> I am sure most of them mean well anyway, they just don't *get it*
[19:21] <Myrtti> Pici: do you still have that planet.ubuntu thingie somewhere handy?
[19:21] <Pici> Myrtti: What thingy?
[19:21] <Pici> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntu this?
[19:22]  * Myrtti waits for it to load
[19:23] <Myrtti> ha
[19:24] <Pici> ha?
[19:24] <Myrtti> I had that bzr branch still on my computer
[19:24] <Myrtti> just had to update it
[19:28] <jussi01> hrm, I think I really dont like this screen, maybe Ill take my old one back...
[19:29] <Myrtti> you bought a new screen?
[19:29] <jussi01> no
[19:29] <Myrtti> >__<
[19:29] <jussi01> its one from a friend - Ill probably end up giving it away/selling it though
[19:30] <jussi01> its a syncmaster 240t
[19:30] <Myrtti> meeeeaaow
[19:30] <jussi01> While bigger than my old one, the picture quality is on ok...
[19:31] <jussi01> It could work quite nicely as a tv though
[19:31] <jussi01> If i had any need for a 24" tv...
[19:31] <Myrtti> ...
[19:31] <Pici> I'll take it...
[19:31] <jussi01> Pici: pick up and its yours :D
[19:31] <Myrtti> jussi01: remember what we did that one time at Prisma?
[19:32] <Myrtti> except looking for a grill for me?
[19:32] <jussi01> Myrtti: hmmm... which thing?
[19:32] <jussi01> hehe
[19:33] <Myrtti> ... and I've told you about my plans on http://www.verkkokauppa.com/popups/prodinfo.php?id=10026
[19:35] <jussi01> same goes for you Myrtti... if you want it...
[19:38] <Myrtti> can you bring it over :-P
[19:41] <jussi01> meh, id rather keep it than actually have to do something with it...
[19:42] <Myrtti> sure
[19:42] <Myrtti> I'll spend 399€ on a new HD-ready one then
[19:42] <Myrtti> :-P
[19:43] <Pici> ooh, an HD tv
[19:43] <Myrtti> NOT a tv
[19:43] <Myrtti> no no no no no
[19:43] <Pici> ooh, an HD-ready thing
[19:43] <Myrtti> computer screen.
[19:43] <Myrtti> big difference.
[19:43] <Myrtti> about 230€ worth of difference
[19:44] <Myrtti> ... damned tv licences.
[19:44] <Pici> oh
[19:44] <Pici> We don't have those here
[19:46] <Dave2> We don't have to pay TV licence if we use TVs for consoles or whatever, which is nice.
[19:47] <Myrtti> Dave2: in theory, neither do we
[19:47] <ikonia> Dave2: not true
[19:47] <ikonia> Dave2: you may want to check on that
[19:47] <Dave2> ikonia, it is true.
[19:48] <ikonia> how certain are you ?
[19:48] <Dave2> 100%
[19:48] <ikonia> really I thought it was basiclly a television tax, I know someone who tried that approach and got taken to court, he paid before it went through though
[19:48] <Dave2> http://tinyurl.com/5v5kf6
[19:49] <Dave2> (because it's massive.)
[19:49] <ikonia> ahhh thats right
[19:49] <ikonia> it's something to do with an arial
[19:49] <Dave2> I wouldn't bother telling them that I'm only using it for a console, because they have no legal right to check your house.
[19:49] <ikonia> thats how they judge it
[19:49] <ikonia> there is something on this, I remember this row
[19:49] <Dave2> You can tell them to go away if they knock on your dor.
[19:49] <Dave2> door
[19:50] <ikonia> I watch TV so I have no problem paying it, I think it's reasonable value
[19:50] <Dave2> I didn't buy one in my first year of uni, we've had one for the past 2 years.
[19:50] <Dave2> I don't watch much TV
[19:51] <Dave2> Certainly not enough to warrant paying for a TV licence if it was just me
[19:51] <Myrtti> well I don't remember horribly missing tv
[19:52] <Dave2> I had no problem missing it in my first year
[19:52] <ikonia> I don't watch that much, but thats the deal, you watch ou pay
[19:52] <Myrtti> sure, there's Band of Brothers, Ask Jeeves and Foyle's war on telly now
[19:52] <ikonia> you pay
[19:52] <Myrtti> but I've seen them already
[19:52] <Dave2> Which is why I don't watch and don't pay when it's just me
[19:52] <Myrtti> but the thing in Finland is, that if you can receive tv broadcasts with minor technical effort, you have to pay
[19:54] <Myrtti> which is why I'm buying HD ready computer widescreen, not telly.
[19:55] <Dave2> Also, I hate the TV licensing people's tactics, they're just harassing people. I paid for our licence 2 weeks ago. They sent out a letter a couple of days after saying "HI NEW PEOPLE WE ARE KEEPING A CLOSE EYE ON YOUR HOUSE PLZ PAY THX YOU ARE IN OUR DB." So we marked it return to sender, and posted it back. And then they sent it back to us again. I'm wondering how long it'll go on for.
[20:46] <Jack_Sparrow> Myrtti How is the hand?
[21:05] <Myrtti> oh, I'll survive
[21:06] <Jack_Sparrow> good
[21:53] <chinku> hello
[21:54] <chinku> I've changed my router firmware to avoid the FixDCCExploit
[21:54] <chinku> but am still unable to join #ubuntu
[21:54] <chinku> why/
[21:54] <chinku> ?
[21:54] <jussi01> chinku: did you follow the instuctions in the channel?
[21:54] <chinku> when I type 'test me' nothing happens
[21:55] <jussi01> chinku: 1 moment
[21:55] <jussi01> chinku: you should be able to join now
[21:55] <chinku> ok thanks
[21:55] <chinku> btw, what was the problem ?
[21:56] <jussi01> chinku: just took a minute
[21:56] <ompaul> the internetz is full of spam
[21:56] <ompaul> or something
[21:56]  * ompaul looks around
[21:56] <jussi01> chinku: anty thing else we can help with?
[21:56] <ompaul> see some of ye tomorrow
[21:56] <jussi01> ompaul: go to bed...
[21:57] <ompaul> jussi01, my flight is midday
[21:57] <jussi01> ompaul: heh
[21:57] <ompaul> and the see some of ye was a reference to Real Life
[21:57] <chinku> jussi01:that will be all for now
[21:57] <jussi01> !idle | chinku
[21:57] <jussi01> ok :)
[21:57]  * ompaul plays more aslan
[21:58] <Myrtti> meh
[21:58] <Myrtti> hour left before leaving
[21:58] <Myrtti> I scared stiff
[21:59]  * ompaul hands Myrtti a cup of peppermint tea
[21:59] <Myrtti> awful. just plain awful.
[22:00] <jussi01> Myrtti: calm down - its all gonna be fine :)
[22:00] <Myrtti> I'll miss the bus, and the plane
[22:00] <Myrtti> and they'll do a strip search
[22:00] <ompaul> Myrtti, or none of the above
[22:00] <mneptok> Myrtti: where are you headed?
[22:00] <ompaul> live in the moment there is none of that happening
[22:01] <ompaul> breath and do what you have to
[22:01] <Dave2> Myrtti, think of the $DRINKS tomorrow night!
[22:01] <nalioth> 0_0 where are you going, Myrtti ?
[22:01] <ompaul> nalioth, where I is goin
[22:01] <ompaul> where ikonia is goin
[22:01] <ompaul> where jono is goin
[22:01] <mneptok> Hell?
[22:01]  * elkbuntu hugs Myrtti and heads to work
[22:01] <ompaul> hahahahahaaha
[22:01] <Dave2> where I is goin?
[22:01] <ompaul> mneptok, ;-)
[22:01] <mneptok> oh, LRL
[22:01] <ompaul> you bad boy dude
[22:01] <mneptok> aye sah.
[22:01] <nalioth> mneptok: you have arranged a welcoming committee there, right?
[22:01]  * nalioth runs
[22:02]  * elkbuntu is deaf in one ear from ear infection atm :(
[22:02] <ompaul> mneptok, got a book by matthieu ricard rather interesting talk on ted so I am told
[22:02] <mneptok> nalioth: i don't have the clout i once did. you know, after the ... unpleasantness ...
[22:03] <Myrtti> Dave2: I've figured that it's really best if I don't really drink that much. The epic hangovers are due to my medication - and I'm not giving up on that
[22:04] <Myrtti> so drinking isn't exactly something I'm anxiously waiting for
[22:04] <Myrtti> although my gifts for people happen to be in liquid form
[22:04]  * Dave2 also doesn't plan to drink too much, simply because he doesn't like drinking that much
[22:05] <elkbuntu> nalioth, question... is the server im connected to really really really laggy at the moment?
[22:06] <Myrtti> I almost feel like I should start washing the floors.
[22:06] <Myrtti> but I guess it's better if I don't.
[22:07] <Myrtti> I'm trying to figure out should I pack my crochet WIP in hand luggage and try to sneak in the crochet hook, or just let it go to the cargo thing
[22:08] <ompaul> thats cargo
[22:08] <jussi01> Myrtti: no point screwing around with the security
[22:08] <ompaul> now you will be stopped if you carry that and they will look for more
[22:08] <ompaul> xrays see though your thoughts ... sorry bags
[22:08] <nalioth> elkbuntu: i hope you have ctcp responses turned off, otw, you're in a black hole
[22:08] <ompaul> SWATman left :-(
[22:09] <Myrtti> the restriction list isn't extensive
[22:09] <Myrtti> oh well.
[22:09] <nickrud> wave it about as you go aboard, saying 'I'll left cross anyone in my way"
[22:09] <ompaul> ?
[22:09] <elkbuntu> nalioth, im using bip, i got no idea, but the past 24hrs have been super laggy
[22:09] <ompaul> nickrud, that went over my head
[22:09]  * nickrud learned knitting as a kid, it's a knitting term
[22:09] <ompaul> mneptok, you still paying attention?
[22:10] <ompaul> ahh
[22:10] <nickrud> always liked the boxing tie in, that's why it's one of the few things I remember
[22:11] <mneptok> ompaul: nope!
[22:11] <mneptok> er ..
[22:15] <nalioth> elkbuntu: unix and CST time:<PHONE_NUMBER> 16:13
[22:17] <ompaul> hehe
[22:17] <ompaul> mneptok, I was afk kim just got in
[22:17] <ompaul> pm
[22:19] <elkbuntu> nalioth, of what?
[22:20] <ompaul> SWAT, man, hi there!
[22:20] <ompaul> dinner dinner dinner dinner ..
[22:20]  * Myrtti sighs
[22:21] <ompaul> Myrtti, that gag I'll explain tomorrow
[22:21] <ompaul> I need to hide on him now :)
[22:21]  * ompaul hides behind mneptok
[22:22] <Myrtti> you know, I think I'll put the cavycam on
[22:22] <Myrtti> no, I wont
[22:22] <nickrud> cavity cam?
[22:22]  * Myrtti considers
[22:23] <ompaul> ........
[22:23] <ompaul> Myrtti, did you have that cup of tea?
[22:25] <nalioth> elkbuntu: just giving you a time stamp to see how lagged you might be ( so you could do the math )
[22:25] <SWAT> ompaul: hi and yes, I missed you too
[22:27] <SWAT> my router was dying on me, I just replaced it. Let's hope I'm here to stay
[22:29] <Myrtti> there we go!
[22:29] <Myrtti> http://myrtti.wippiespace.com/webcam/
[22:29] <Myrtti> now I can watch pigses even at LRL
[22:32] <Myrtti> can I be a bit nervous now?
[22:33]  * Myrtti goes to give the pigseh more hay
[22:36] <elkbuntu> oh. considering this laptop hasnt been ntp'd for a while, fail.
[22:36] <elkbuntu> it's certainly not 6 minute lag, although i had 5 minute lag about 12hrs ago
[22:38]  * PriceChild tacklehugs elkbuntu out the door.
[22:39] <Myrtti> what an I forgetting...
[22:40] <Dave2> toothbrush!
[22:40] <Myrtti> that I have
[22:40] <Myrtti> even went to buy toothpaste
[22:41] <Myrtti> businesscards check, 770 check, visa check, sunglasses!
[22:41] <Dave2> clothes!
[22:41] <Myrtti> AND almost forgot my pink fluffy rug outside
[22:41]  * Dave2 should head upstairs and pack and go to bed.
[22:42] <nickrud> Myrtti cash for unexpected
[22:42] <Myrtti> 30€ cash, will get more in da citeh if needed, visa I've got
[22:43] <nickrud> amazing what a good tip will do
[22:43] <Myrtti> tip? tip? is that something edible?
[22:43] <nickrud> hahahaha
[22:43] <Myrtti> I've never tipped anyone in my whole life... not part of Finnish culture
[22:44] <nalioth> Myrtti: it's part of the rest of the industrial worlds culture
[22:44] <Dave2> it's not really a part of .uk's culture
[22:44]  * nickrud tries to imagine an unbribable cab driver
[22:44] <Myrtti> not Sweden either
[22:44] <Dave2> I very rarely tip
[22:45] <nickrud> I always tip, the people that get them usually really need them here
[22:45] <Dave2> (except for things like group food orders)
[22:45] <ompaul> Myrtti, no
[22:45] <Dave2> yeah, but we have a somewhat livable minimum wage here
[22:46] <nickrud> some jobs, the employees are expected to get tips so minimum wage doesn't even apply.  It's aways in my hip pocket
[22:50] <nalioth> in the USA, waiters and waitstaff get paid $2.35 USD an hour and are expected to make up the rest of their income via tips
[22:50] <nalioth> minimum wage here is just under $8 USD per hour
[22:50] <ompaul> nalioth, cheap by .ie standards
[22:50] <nalioth> ompaul: i'm just sayin'
[22:50] <ompaul> well they are saying we are too dear, however our productivity is higher than a lot of places ...
[22:51] <ompaul> horses for courses
[23:03] <Myrtti> Can I fret now?
[23:03] <Myrtti> plz?
[23:03] <nalioth> Myrtti: you play guitar?
[23:04] <Myrtti> g rrrrr
[23:04]  * Dave2 sets Myrtti on fire.

[23:04] <Myrtti> ok, see you on the other side
[23:04]  * Dave2 waves
[23:04] <Myrtti> I might be online before but...
[23:04]  * Myrtti shrughs
[23:04] <Myrtti> tatah
[23:04] <Mez> nalioth, i made the same joe before.
[23:05] <Mez> thats scary
[23:10] <elkeee> ircing from the train
[23:10] <elkeee> BECAUSE I CAN
[23:12] <Mez> :)
[23:12] <Mez> eeePC ftw
[23:13] <Mez> elkeee, 701? 900? 1000?
[23:13] <ompaul> or something else
[23:14] <elkeee> 701
[23:14] <elkeee> for AU$274
[23:15] <elkeee> <3 clearance sales, pricematch & beat
[23:23] <Myrtti> miau
[23:23] <ompaul> Myrtti, start travelling ;-)
[23:24] <Myrtti> am
[23:24] <Dave2> Someone bring a spare nokia charger so I can properly charge my phone :P
[23:24] <Myrtti> first part is over
[23:24] <ompaul> Dave2, which size of charger?
[23:24] <ompaul> the big or small one
[23:25] <Dave2> (my current one has a break in the cable. I can charge, but only if I have the cable held properly)
[23:25] <Dave2> erm, I dunno. The one that was on my old 3310, and is now on my 6230.
[23:25] <Myrtti> big
[23:25] <ompaul> that is the cable type from 5 years ago?
[23:25] <ompaul> ahh thats no use
[23:26] <ompaul> Dave2, I'm no use to you
[23:26] <Dave2> My current phone is my brother's old old old old one which he gave to me
[23:26] <Dave2> so most likely
[23:26] <Myrtti> had you said hour earlier...
[23:28] <Daviey> ompaul: are you still comming to lrl?
[23:29] <ompaul> Daviey, only if you shave / don't shave
[23:29] <Daviey> well i did trim earlier.. :)
[23:29] <ompaul> Daviey, I should restate that a bit better
[23:29] <ompaul> Daviey, only if you shave or don't shave
[23:30] <Daviey> Dave2: poundland have a USB to multiple phone charger for £1
[23:30] <ompaul> Daviey, get real money ;-)
[23:30] <ompaul> heheh
[23:30] <Daviey> ompaul: so yes, you are comming \o/
[23:30] <ompaul> yeap
[23:30] <Daviey> ompaul: Euro monopoly money?!
[23:30] <ompaul> Daviey, yeah, like I said real money
[23:31] <Daviey> <-- bigot, proud to keep his own currency
[23:31] <ompaul> Daviey, get me to do the cabbages is money chat over a glass of something like a still water
[23:32] <Daviey> ompaul: what hotel are you staying in?
[23:32] <ompaul> Daviey, ohh I'll tell you that where it won't be logged too much
[23:32] <ompaul> pm
[23:33] <ompaul> Daviey, how about a big sunday morning breakfast somewhere
[23:33] <ompaul> the full heart attack on a plate?
[23:34] <Daviey> hmm.. i've got b/fast included in my hotel
[23:34] <Daviey> also need to be at the venue pre-7:30 both days :(
[23:34] <Dave2> isn't that pre-breakfast?
[23:35]  * Dave2 actually goes and attempts to slee
[23:35] <Dave2> p
[23:35] <ompaul> Daviey, ok
[23:40] <Myrtti> first row single seat \o/
[23:40] <nickrud> sounds lonely ;(
[23:42] <Daviey> Myrtti: are you coming?
[23:42] <Myrtti> also a place where I dont need traveling sickness meds
[23:48] <Myrtti> time to save battery to other uses...
[23:49] <Mez> Daviey, thats a personal question ;)
[23:49] <Mez> Daviey, she is attending LRL though (am meeting her at the airport tomorrow)
[23:50] <Daviey> Mez: you rude thing!
[23:50] <Mez> Daviey, ;)
[23:50] <Daviey> Well Myrtti, make sure you grab me and say "Hi"
[23:51] <Mez> Daviey, youll have to reintroduce yourself to me
[23:51] <Mez> and er, Myrtti's gone now
[23:51] <Daviey> Mez: naa, i'll let you live in denial
[23:51] <Daviey> anyway, in 6 months time, you still claim we have never met
[23:51] <Mez> Daviey, lol - you on normal or AV crew this year?
[23:51] <Daviey> you'll*
[23:51] <Daviey> V
[23:51] <Daviey> AV
[23:52] <Mez> Daviey, come keysigning, then I cant deny it
[23:52] <Daviey> maybe.. :0
[23:58] <ompaul> night all


[01:41] <ckontros> Ok. Im off for the night guys. Ill be back tomorrow.
[02:59] <Kokito> hello folks
[02:59] <holstein> Kokito: o/
[03:00] <Kokito> hi holstein
[03:01] <holstein> Kokito: thanks for offering on the website
[03:01] <holstein> as far as quickly updating
[03:01] <holstein> ScottL acutally has been trying to get access for quite some time
[03:01] <holstein> we are working on it :)
[03:01] <Kokito> who is the admin of the website?
[03:03] <holstein> Kokito: cannonical
[03:03] <holstein> thats the rub
[03:03] <holstein> its not trivial getting access
[03:03] <Kokito> that sux :)
[03:04] <holstein> eh
[03:04] <holstein> we'll get it
[03:04] <holstein> we got the big site change coming too
[03:04] <holstein> i just hope not too many folks assume we are vapor-ware
[03:06] <Kokito> heh :)
[03:07] <Kokito> is there nobody from the team with permissions to edit the existing content and/or add new content to the website then?
[03:10] <holstein> Kokito: right
[03:10] <holstein> well, there is
[03:11] <holstein> but i think he is MIA
[03:11] <Kokito> ah, yes, I recall Scott mentioned something to that effect
[03:54] <ScottL> Kokito, holstein : stochastic said he updated the website to mention the new release but asked me for a link to the release notes
[03:54] <ScottL> i'm hoping he will now update the release notes as i sent him the link this morning
[03:54] <holstein> ScottL: COOL
[03:55] <Kokito> nice ScottL :)
[03:55] <holstein> ScottL: when you go there
[03:55] <holstein> http://ubuntustudio.org/
[03:55] <holstein> is there a log missing?
[03:55] <holstein> logo*
[03:55] <holstein> or is that something im blocking?
[03:56] <ScottL> it's been missing for a while holstein
[03:56] <Kokito> the logo seems to be missing
[03:57] <ScottL> it has suffered bit rot
[03:57] <ScottL> Kokito, this is my understanding of the website:
[03:57]  * Kokito listens
[03:57] <ScottL> the website structure, all the .php files and like, are hosted in launchpad in their version control system, bzr
[03:58] <ScottL> anyone has access to this as long as they have launchpad account, i believe
[03:58] <ScottL> they can download it but can't push to our repo
[03:58] <holstein> ScottL: is thats something that stoch can fix real quick?
[03:58] <ScottL> rather they can push to their own launchpad account under "code" and then make a merge proposal
[03:59] <Kokito> Scott, this is Drupal, so you don't need to push anything to bzr to change and/or add content
[03:59] <ScottL> if the person is a ubuntustudio-dev, then they have access to push directly to the bzr branch instead of the merge proposal
[03:59] <ScottL> Kokito, but if you want to adjust the "structure" of the website, you do in this case
[03:59] <Kokito> not necessarily
[03:59] <ScottL> once the -website package is updated then canonical looks over the "code" and pushes this to the canonical hosted website
[03:59] <Kokito> a lot can be done through the web interface in Drupal
[03:59] <ScottL> Kokito, i know
[03:59] <Kokito> you just need the permissions
[04:00] <ScottL> Kokito, holstein:  the "content" on the site is different, this is accessed through permissions in the website
[04:00] <ScottL> you can add new pages, new content, adjust content just as you would expect with a cms or such
[04:00] <ScottL> as long as you have access and permissions
[04:01] <Kokito> right
[04:01] <ScottL> this is the way that canonical controls what is put onto the website in terms of security
[04:01] <Kokito> :)
[04:01] <ScottL> this is my understanding of our drupal website on the canonical hosting
[04:01] <ScottL> holstein, i don't know if it's a quick fix
[04:01] <holstein> should be right?
[04:01] <holstein> just pointing to logo.whatever
[04:01] <ScottL> but i'd rather just push forward and make a new website instead of patching up the old one
[04:02] <holstein> i bet somebody just fat-fingered it away
[04:02] <holstein> by accident
[04:02] <ScottL> holstein, it should be right, but i don't know where that file is or what it was
[04:02] <holstein> ScottL: i agree about pushing forward
[04:02] <Kokito> ScottL: I am more and more inclined US hosting it's own website by the day :)
[04:02] <ScottL> it could be a simple fix or a hard one, don't know because i can't get onto the website :/
[04:02] <holstein> it would be nice if the logo was fixed for now though
[04:02] <holstein> IF its simple*
[04:02] <ScottL> Kokito, i am tending to agree with you
[04:03] <ScottL> holstein, i think it has been mentioend to both cory and eric (stochastic) but it's never mind fixed so i don't know
[04:03] <holstein> ScottL: you are talking to eric via email?
[04:04] <ScottL> i apparently bought a dell gx280 p4 3.0 ghz with hyperthreading and 1gig of memory for $38 and was delivered today
[04:04] <ScottL> the onboard video wasn't supposed to work but it does
[04:04] <holstein> w0w
[04:04] <ScottL> it was only suppose to have 512megs of memeory too
[04:04] <holstein> thats not bad at all
[04:04] <ScottL> well, $20 to get it here didn't help, but it's still cheaper
[04:04] <holstein> yeah, shipping on that stuff is a drag
[04:05] <ScottL> holstein, about eric, i sent him and cory an email asking to update the website for natty
[04:05] <ScottL> cory said he couldn't do it this weekend (but i don't think he still has the access)
[04:05] <ScottL> and eric responded last night/this morning saying he updated the annoucnement and download link but didn't update the release notes yet
[04:05] <ScottL> and he asked for the link
[04:05] <ScottL> i sent it to him this morning
[04:05] <ScottL> we'll see how long it takes to get it further updates
[04:06] <ScottL> i'm just quite happy that we at least got the announcement up
[04:07] <ScottL> but this computer will be something that i fix up with ubuntu studio and give away :)
[04:08] <paultag> heyya ScottL
[04:08] <ScottL> hi paultag
[04:08] <ScottL> i'm tempted to take this computer (after some testing) and send it to ailo_ so he can see that i'm not kidding that dell's with onboard audio really do get such low latencies ;)
[04:09] <ScottL> paultag, did you finally get your internet sorted?
[04:09] <Kokito> forgive my inquisitiveness, but why does US use the alternative installer?
[04:09] <paultag> ScottL: *finally*
[04:10] <paultag> ScottL: all is well in the world
[04:10] <ScottL> paultag, i think i would have gone mental and murdered someone by now :P
[04:10] <ScottL> but i'm glad it's working for you again
[04:10] <ScottL> Kokito, no need to apologize
[04:10] <paultag> ScottL: T-W is so shitty
[04:10] <ScottL> Kokito, however, i don't have a good answer, perhaps TheMuso might be able to answer why ubuntustudio uses the alternate installer
[04:11] <holstein> i think it was performance
[04:11] <ScottL> although i can speculate it was because of package installation and giving the user choices during installation
[04:11] <holstein> back then
[04:11] <ScottL> heh :)
[04:11] <holstein> that would have been before dynebolic
[04:11] <TheMuso> Its purely because a gui installer back then involved a live image, which we didn't want.
[04:11] <holstein> and all these new fast live discs
[04:11] <holstein> OH, even simpler :)
[04:11] <holstein> size
[04:11] <TheMuso> I believe Colin looked into getting the GTK alternate installer going, but I don't think anything came of that.
[04:12] <ScottL> hi TheMuso :)  i hope you are doing well
[04:12] <TheMuso> ScottL: Not too bad thanks, gearing up for UDS.
[04:12] <Kokito> hi TheMuso :)
[04:12] <TheMuso> Hi Kokito.
[04:12] <ScottL> TheMuso, how did your accessibility pan out for natty?
[04:12] <ScottL> you had a short time to get a lot done :/
[04:13] <TheMuso> ScottL: Not as complete as we would have liked for Unity, but some incremental improvements accross the board, but we have tons more to do for oneiric.
[04:14] <ScottL> i'm still getting used to unity
[04:14]  * Kokito likes Unity
[04:14] <TheMuso> I still can't use it, due to some important bits not being fully enabled for a11y yet.
[04:17] <ScottL> TheMuso, what is ally?
[04:17] <ScottL> or is that a11y?
[04:17] <TheMuso> a11y
[04:18] <TheMuso> Its short for accessibility, just like i18n.
[04:18] <TheMuso> I.e i18n is short for internationalization.
[04:18] <ScottL> ah, yeah
[04:18] <ScottL> i knew the i18n, didn't know a11y
[04:19] <TheMuso> Right.
[04:19] <ScottL> i'm really hoping we can use xubuntu's work on the live cd to create one for ourselves, but i don't think it's going to be stupidly easy though
[04:20] <ScottL> and i'm not really expecting it to happen for 11.10 either....there's just too much other work going to be happening
[04:21] <holstein> ScottL: we should get a bit of a time line going
[04:21] <holstein> and prioritize realistically
[04:21] <ScottL> aye, that's what cory was mentioning in one of his emails to the ML
[04:21] <holstein> cool
[04:22] <ScottL> i'm still disappointed with xchat's behaviour across workspaces with unity
[04:23] <holstein> ?
[04:23] <holstein> whats it do?
[04:23] <ScottL> the icon only half appears on the side of the screen, gives a shake, then disappears for good it seems
[04:23] <ScottL> on gnome2 you would get the icon on the top panel flashing and you would get a window listing on the bottom panel which pulsed
[04:23] <ScottL> no matter which workspace you were on
[04:24] <ScottL> and all you had to do was click on the pushing window listing on the bottom and it would take you to the correct workspace
[04:24] <TheMuso> Making a live image will depend on whether Canonical can give you the CPU time you need to build live images, as well as disk space to store them.
[04:25] <ScottL> TheMuso, i had thought that the live image would replace the alternate, but perhaps you advocate keeping the alternate?
[04:25] <ScottL> my original thought was that this wouldn't yield too much additional cpu time/storage
[04:25] <TheMuso> I don't advocate either, and yes it would replace the alternate, but the alternate is much easier to build, and requires less disk space and resources.
[04:26] <ScottL> right
[04:26] <TheMuso> Alternate disks only require one step to be completed. Live disks require 2 steps.
[04:26] <ScottL> TheMuso, do you have a suggestion to whom i should speak about trying to make arrangements?
[04:26] <TheMuso> The live filesystem image needs to be created and made available to the second step, teh building of the disk image itself.
[04:26] <ScottL> the only person i can think of directly is colin
[04:26] <ScottL> or scottk
[04:26] <TheMuso> ScottL: I think Colin would be the first port of call, he may ask you to contact others, but I doubt it/
[04:27] <ScottL> i'll need to start talking to him this cycle then in preparation for next cycle then
[04:27] <ScottL> TheMuso, also, persia had mentioned about pushing the -lowlatency kernel into the universe repository
[04:27] <ScottL> TheMuso, but he seems to be hit or miss in attendance
[04:28] <ScottL> TheMuso, my thought was to begin talks with another -motu to help us accomplish this, do you have any suggestions on who might be a good candidate to talk with?
[04:28] <TheMuso> Right, I waswanting to help with this, however to make things easier to manage, we need to base on top of the Ubuntu kernel. The kernel team have a work item to document how they create their derivative kernel branches, but afaik this document is not yet complete.
[04:29] <ScottL> yes, i've been watching that blueprint, i think persia was quite disappointed as well
[04:29] <TheMuso> I'll ask them at UDS about this procedure. I dare say they could tell me and I could whip something up to help us get lowlatency done.
[04:29] <ScottL> TheMuso, persia's point was that UKT doesn't really have purview directly over this as the -lowlatency kernel would be community maintained and hosted in universe
[04:29] <TheMuso> I'll bug Andy. I get along well with him, so I think he will be able to explain it to me without too much fuss.
[04:30] <TheMuso> Thats right, but we need to knwo how to properly base on top of the kernel team's work, so its less work for us.
[04:30] <ScottL> he was tired of waiting for UKT to finish the documentation and wanted to move forward :P
[04:30] <TheMuso> Right, which is why I'm saying that I'll just talk to a kernel team member, and find out how its done, and go from there.
[04:30] <ScottL> okay :)
[04:31] <holstein> is that something JFo would know?
[04:31] <ScottL> TheMuso, i think there is a bit of misinformation within UKT though about this kernel, they seem to think it takes an extensively invasive patch, much like the -rt kernel
[04:31] <holstein> eh, its a little late here
[04:31] <holstein> maybe JFo is out
[04:31] <ScottL> abogani starts with ubuntu's -generic kernel and only makes run time flag changes
[04:32] <holstein> i can understand the need for consistancy though
[04:32] <ScottL> sorry, not "run" time but "compile" time
[04:32] <TheMuso> I know that, and I can be sure that it is made clear when I talk to Andy.
[04:32] <TheMuso> I am not sure if JFO knows, as he is not involved with kernel branch maintenance so far as I've seen.
[04:33] <ScottL> TheMuso, that would be outstanding!  thank you :)
[04:33] <TheMuso> np
[04:33] <ScottL> oh, i just realized Andy is the APW most likely and the one responsible for the derivative kernel documentation
[04:35] <TheMuso> Yep.
[04:41] <ScottL> i don't think i'll make UDS this year either :(
[04:42] <ScottL> work has been very, very busy because our parent company bought our competitor and now we are integrating our product lines
[04:42] <ScottL> i'm responsible, with two others from the other company, to oversee and effect the integration of the detailing departments
[04:43] <ScottL> i probably will not have the latitude to take a week of during the rest of the year
[04:44] <ScottL> i wish the workspace switch had a key shortcut
[04:44] <ScottL> in unity
[04:45] <ScottL> i do like that when i'm in the workspace switch that i can drag and drop windows to other workspaces...that's pretty cool actually :)
[04:50] <TheMuso> You can move between workspaces with control + alt + arrows.
[04:50] <TheMuso> And add shift to that to move a window between workspaces.
[04:51] <ScottL> hmmm, control + alt + arrows isn't working right
[04:52] <ScottL> but adding shit does move the window correctly
[04:53] <ScottL> scratch that, control + alt + arrows works...i was using shift + alt
[05:11] <TheMuso> heh
[22:47]  * ckontros waves.
[22:51] <holstein> ckontros: o/
[22:55] <ckontros> ScottL: Gonna have time to write.hack tonight?
[22:55] <ckontros> *write/hack
[22:56] <scott-work> ckontros: aye, i will
[22:56]  * scott-work is leaving work, picking up kids, and heading home now
[23:38] <ckontros> I pulled a branch, made 1 change and tried to push. Got this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/603012 I'm using bzr from the Natty repo. Not I looked up  "rich-root support" and then tried a "bzr upgrade --rich-root-pack ." Said branch was v.7 and I couldnt go to v.6. So I'm stuck.


[11:17] <holycow> hi guys
[11:17] <holycow> there is someone in #ubuntu claiming ubuntu no longer freezes off of debian unstable
[11:17] <holycow> is this true?
[11:20] <Mithrandir> holycow: we merge Debian unstable before DebianImportFreeze.
[11:21] <Mithrandir> so "no longer" can be interpreted as "the period when we merge all the stuff from Debian is over" which is true, but it's not permanently true.
[11:21] <holycow> thats what i thought
[11:21] <holycow> damned noobs
[11:21] <holycow> thank you :)
[11:24] <Mithrandir> no problem
[02:28] <sjoerd> pitti: is the ubuntu avahi package in bzr on luanchpad somewhere ? :)
[02:29] <Hobbsee> hey pitti!
[02:35] <pitti> sjoerd: not the last time I checked
[02:36] <pitti> hey Hobbsee!
[02:36] <sjoerd> pitti: k, thanks
[02:36] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:36] <sjoerd> :)
[02:36] <pitti> sjoerd: if you'd find it useful to have it in bzr, I can import it
[02:36] <pitti> Fujitsu: *hug*
[02:37] <sjoerd> pitti: that'd be nice
[02:37] <Fujitsu> Hehe.
[02:37] <sjoerd> it makes it a lot easier for me to check the changes then to download it of the mirror earch time :)
[02:37] <Hobbsee> night Fujitsu
[02:37] <pitti> sjoerd: but I'd just import the latest version now, thus no history yet
[02:37] <Fujitsu> Night Hobbsee, pitti, sjoerd, erc.
[02:37] <Fujitsu> *et
[02:37] <sjoerd> k
[02:37] <Fujitsu> **etc
[02:38] <sjoerd> lool uploaded an nss-mdns with the upstream recommended stuff, so now if i do the avahi magic to disable itself when an .local NS is around it'll actually help :)
[02:42] <pitti> sjoerd: ah, cool
[02:43] <pitti> sjoerd: oh, btw, I still have 0.6.15-1ubuntu2 to ubuntu5 around, so if you need those diffs, I could import them
[02:43] <pitti> sjoerd: \o/ @ nss-mdns
[02:43] <Lathiat> i'm just waiting for anand to kick back up
[02:44] <Lathiat> it's kindof a shame i think its goign to create a bit of a rift but oh well, can't be helped :/
[02:44] <sjoerd> pitti: just the lastest version is good enough
[02:44] <pitti> sjoerd: btw, feel free to import/mirror the Debian versions on LP too for merging love
[02:45] <sjoerd> pitti: if there is some way i can tell launchpad to import the svn repo ?
[02:45] <pitti> sjoerd: hm, for this you need to ping ddaa, I believe
[02:45] <pitti> sjoerd: with cdbs I just import it manually, but for packages with many uploads this gets cumbersome
[02:45] <sjoerd> right
[02:46] <sjoerd> for me it's just extra work and i need to merge it back into svn manually anyway
[02:47] <pitti> there we go: https://launchpad.net/products/avahi/+branches
[02:47] <pitti> sjoerd: right, so either automatic mirroring or not at all
[02:47] <Mithrandir> pitti: lp can't import svn branches, just trunk.
[02:47] <sjoerd> Lathiat: if Anand kicks back up, i'll ensure that it goes directly to ctte/the release team... We should be able to stop someone damaging his package like this...
[02:47] <Mithrandir> but you can always use bzr-svn
[02:48] <sjoerd> Lathiat: but it's kinda OT here :)
[02:49] <pitti> sjoerd: so now you should be able to subscribe to that branch (never tried it, I assume it emails you on new commits or so)
[02:52] <sjoerd> pitti: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/avahi/ubuntu gives a 404 :(
[02:53] <pitti> sjoerd: argh, might need some time until it is scanned
[02:54] <pitti> sjoerd: sftp:// works, so I think it's just a matter of time
[02:58] <sjoerd> pitti: k, thanks! later :)
[04:12] <bddebian> Heya
[04:14] <_ion> Hi
[04:19] <bddebian> Hello _ion
[05:21] <Guardian> hello, is it the right place to ask for a tutorial on how to build a library with autotools ?
[05:21] <Guardian> i'm hardly finding my way out googling :/
[05:23] <Adri2000> Guardian: you want to package a library?
[05:23] <Guardian> yep
[05:24] <Adri2000> you can ask in #ubuntu-motu
[05:24] <Guardian> i'm currently doing it using a classic makefile of mine
[05:24] <Guardian> i'm building a static lib
[05:45] <jhasse> Does anyone know why the font on the progress bar looks ugly since edgy?
[05:47] <alex-weej> jhasse: i think so
[05:47] <alex-weej> jhasse: does it look kinda grey outlined?
[05:47] <jhasse> alex-weej: yes
[05:47] <_ion> Subpixel antialiasing perhaps?
[05:47] <alex-weej> jhasse: one second
[05:47] <alex-weej> _ion: no
[05:48] <_ion> Blue pixels against a yellow-ish background
[05:48] <alex-weej> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=352435
[05:48] <Ubugtu> Gnome bug 352435 in gtk "GtkProgressBar text rendering errors" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]
[05:48] <jhasse> alex-weej: thx, i searched for this bug in launchpad but couldn't find it
[05:49] <alex-weej> jhasse: that'll be because it isn't in launchpad :o)
[05:49] <alex-weej> jhasse: i'm yet to see the fix in any release yet though
[05:49] <alex-weej> jhasse: you running Edgy like me?
[05:50] <jhasse> alex-weej: feisty
[05:51] <alex-weej> jhasse: ah, still not there yet then
[05:52] <jhasse> alex-weej: Gnome target:  	Unspecified   	<- maybe 2.18
[05:55] <alex-weej> jhasse: it's been committed to head, i'd guess simply the next gtk release
[06:59] <leonel> sorry but i'd like to know if there's be an firefox2 update for  edgy
[08:20] <ulaas> mount problems for ntfs drives. known issue for feisty...?
[08:45] <fulldisclosure> Hi.
[08:45] <fulldisclosure> Hi, I have an error compiling gnome-bluetooth for debian.
 Hello?
[08:46] <fulldisclosure> maybe someone here can help me, because I dont have that package i debian.
[08:46] <bhale> hi, this is not a supprot channel for Ubuntu, and especially not for Debian, sorry.
[08:46] <fulldisclosure> ummm
[09:02] <Seveas> fulldisclosure, #debian is the place you are looking for
[09:02] <fulldisclosure> Seveas, not sure.. but thanks anyway
[09:02] <bddebian> heh
[09:04] <cge> Would I be justified in telling the people arguing about ESR's new paper on devel-discuss to move the discussion to sounder?
[09:05] <bddebian> Or even #who-cares? :-)
[09:06] <Treenaks> bddebian: #esr-fanboys?
[09:06] <Seveas> cge, very much - it has little to do with ubuntu, development of sanity for that mattr
[09:07] <Seveas> Treenaks, !
[09:07] <Treenaks> Seveas: !
[09:07] <Seveas> Treenaks, your blog breaks planet
[09:07] <bddebian> Heh, heya Treenaks
[09:07] <Treenaks> Seveas: it does?
[09:07] <Treenaks> Seveas: cool!
[09:07] <Seveas> planet takes 99% cpu for infinity when parsing your feed
[09:07] <Treenaks> Seveas: --> pm
[09:08] <leonel> sorry but  if there will  be an firefox2 update for  edgy
[09:10] <cge> leonel: You would receive a better response by asking in #ubuntu.
[09:11] <leonel> cge: I got a better here with your answer
[09:11] <leonel> i'll ask again in #ubuntu
[09:11] <leonel> thanks
[09:16] <Treenaks> leonel: constantly asking the same question isn't going to help. There likely won't be an official update, as people are too busy with the new development version.
[09:17] <Treenaks> leonel: uhr wait
[09:17] <Treenaks> leonel: edgy already HAS 2.0
[09:19] <zarathustra> compa leonel
[09:19] <zarathustra> ya llegue
[09:19] <cge> Treenaks: He's asking about <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:21] <cge> Treenaks: Which is a security update.
[09:21] <Treenaks> cge: then it's probably being looked at
[09:22] <cge> leonel: as Treenaks just said, it's probably being looked at
[09:22] <leonel> cge:  thanks