[03:03] <ScottK> Mirv: I'm rejecting qtcreator.  1.  Equivs is an evil horrid hack and it's wildly inappropriate for anything in the archive to use it.  2.  Need to update debian/copyright for the licensing change (wouldn't have rejected for that, but please fix while you're getting rid of equivs).
[04:19] <Mirv> ScottK: I haven't touched a qtcreator for a little while so I'm not sure which version you're talking about
[04:19] <ScottK> Mirv: I thought it was your upload that I just rejected.
[04:20] <Mirv> I have a feeling the SDK team tried to put something together to get the plugin updated last evening...
[04:20] <Mirv> I need to find out
[04:22] <ScottK> Mirv: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/raring/+queue?queue_state=4&queue_text=qtcreator
[04:23] <Mirv> right, so they updated the plugin
[04:24] <Mirv> ScottK: sorry, what equivs is used where?
[04:24] <ScottK> It's in the diff as an added dependency.
[04:25] <ScottK> I didn't check of what (can't tell), but it's wrong no matter what of.
[04:27] <Mirv> oh right, I'm not sure why that got added, but probably it's something to use when auto-packaging QML apps from Creator to deploy to the target device over SSH
[04:27] <Mirv> I'll ask
[04:30] <ScottK> Mirv: It's the wrong answer no matter what the question is.
[04:30] <Mirv> I'll deliver that message
[05:37] <lordievader> Good morning
[05:59] <soee> good morning
[06:08] <lordievader> Hey soee, how are you?
[06:10] <soee> lordievader, i think fine, thank you, and you
[06:15] <lordievader> soee: I'm doing good. :)
[06:16] <soee> i must say im happy today after i fixed my system yesterday :)
[06:16] <lordievader> soee: You had nVidia problems right? Congratulations, anyhow :)
[06:18] <soee> lordievader, yes and i never seen before that installing nvidia drivers might results with halp packages removed :D
[06:18] <soee> *half
[06:23] <lordievader> Odd, indeed.
[08:29] <Riddell> brr, getting cold, I feel a freeze coming on
[08:45] <Kalidarn> hmm, it looks like raring desktop daily from yesterday does not boot on my system
[08:45] <Kalidarn> seems to be the same behavior as i experienced pre RC1 of wheezy
[08:45] <Kalidarn> i think in the end they rolled back syslinux for RC1
[08:46] <Kalidarn> i might try again with the daily from 18-Apr-2013 06:54  931M
[08:46] <Kalidarn> I think the one i had was 16-Apr
[08:48] <Kalidarn> is there a list of known outstanding bugs?
[08:50] <Riddell> http://goo.gl/9THah has milestoned bugs
[08:51] <Kalidarn> thanks Riddell
[08:51] <Kalidarn> and no my bug is not listed there.
[08:52] <Kalidarn> basically comes up with the grub menu, then when you select the first option says something about an invalid sector
[08:52] <Kalidarn> (media is fine)
[08:54] <Kalidarn> the media check also doesn't work, i had to check the md5sum.txt on the actual media from an already booted installation
[08:54] <Blizzz> Riddell: reg. ownCloud backport – sry for late reaction. are there any details?
[08:56] <Kalidarn> md5sum.txt: 273 files, 273 OK, 273 tested in textmode.  39.734 seconds, 23903.7K/s
[08:57] <Kalidarn> that would indicate everything is fine hmm.
[08:58] <Kalidarn> well 19 minutes till ive pulled down the latest daily media, so i'll see how that goes.
[09:08] <Riddell> Blizzz: I got it working thanks, now just hope the sru team accept it
[09:09] <Riddell> hint to ScottK ^^
[09:10] <Blizzz> Riddell: glad it works. Sry i couldn't help in time.
[10:03] <smartboyhw> Hello!
[10:05] <Riddell> hi smartboyhw
[10:06] <smartboyhw> Riddell: Hey:)
[10:43] <Riddell> apachelogger: boot screen now replaced by random stick figure image?
[10:44] <Tm_T> Riddell: that's me sideways
[10:45] <smartboyhw> Tm_T: LOL
[11:04] <Riddell> debfx: is that kmix issue still to do?
[11:05] <Riddell> smartboyhw: fancy a task?
[11:11] <smartboyhw> Riddell: Not now. What task anyway?
[11:12] <Riddell> smartboyhw: debfx's kmix fix, I'll take a look if you're busy
[11:12] <Riddell> this google+ thread is great https://plus.google.com/105682810766335536482/posts/Qb4JxkieNHQ
[11:12] <Riddell> "Everything just looks "polished" when you log in"
[11:12] <Riddell> "Project Neon."
[11:13] <Riddell> "An extremely good community of developers, packagers, testers, translators, supporters and users!"
[11:13] <Riddell> nice people :)
[11:13] <smartboyhw> Riddell: I left one too:P
[11:13] <Riddell> so I see :)
[11:13] <smartboyhw> Riddell: The third message is mine.
[11:14] <smartboyhw> :)
[11:14] <debfx> Riddell: yes, I haven't had time to properly test it yet
[11:20] <Riddell> http://blogs.kde.org/2013/04/18/slick-new-artwork-and-call-testers
[11:22] <smartboyhw> Riddell: :)
[11:27] <Riddell> debfx: http://bugsfiles.kde.org/attachment.cgi?id=76912 looks simple enough
[11:27] <Riddell> debfx: but the commit is a bit scary https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdemultimedia/kmix/repository/revisions/207fa53763d83e8031be622c9006e41b97195d48
[11:27] <Riddell> is most of that not needed?
[11:30] <debfx> Riddell: as I understand it the first is a hack and the second a proper fix
[11:31] <debfx> I wouldn't backport that commit from master unless upstream says it's safe and tested
[11:33] <Riddell> debfx: hmm this is sounding a bit scary then
[11:38] <debfx> Riddell: I'd says it should be fine if we test that small patch
[11:39] <debfx> the regression potential is fairly limited
[11:40] <Riddell> debfx: I just tested it and it doesn't seem to make a difference
[11:40] <Riddell> still 15% jumps for me
[11:42]  * Riddell lunches
[11:43]  * smartboyhw thinks lunches means a sudden attack instead of having lunch
[11:51] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:41] <Kalidarn> can someone explain what http://kubuntu-qa.dyndns.org/ is about?
[12:41] <Kalidarn> i assume that's building of packages for kubuntu raring ringtail?
[12:43] <yofel__> Kalidarn: that's automated upgrade testing, but still not running properly
[12:44] <Kalidarn> ah :)
[12:47] <Kalidarn> okay looks like that debian bug is in here :(
[12:49] <Kalidarn> when i try to boot, it comes up with the grub menu, with 3 options Start Kubuntu, OEM install (for manufacturers) check disc for defects. If I select Start Kubuntu I get:
[12:49] <Kalidarn> error: failure reading sector 0x6d500 from `cd0'.
[12:49] <Kalidarn> error: you need to load the kernel first.
[12:49] <Kalidarn> Press any key to continue...
[12:50] <ScottK> Riddell: You should also ask the security team if they'll publish it.
[12:50] <Kalidarn> i was getting this error yesterday's current image
[12:50] <Kalidarn> and with todays
[12:51] <Kalidarn> maybe I should try beta 2
[12:51] <Kalidarn> im pretty sure i got this exact same error with wheezy's daily pre RC1 and was fixed in RC2
[12:51] <Kalidarn> *RC1 rather
[12:52] <Kalidarn> from memory it had something to do with the version of syslinux being buggy on amd64
[12:56] <smartboyhw> Kalidarn: Do report a bug:(
[12:56] <Kalidarn> yeah
[14:02] <freeflying> wonderding do we have latest kde ppa for 12.04?
[14:03] <Riddell> hi freeflying, yes should be all there
[14:04] <freeflying> Riddell: thanks
[14:04] <Riddell> freeflying: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.10.2
[14:05] <freeflying> Riddell: awesome
[14:48] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I've fixed Messages.sh
[14:49]  * JontheEchidna self flagellates
[15:33] <Riddell> cor, upstream's default layout has no folderview
[15:33] <Riddell> and the same broken activities as we do
[15:34] <BluesKaj> is mesa mucked up ?
[15:35] <Riddell> umm, it had better not be
[15:36] <BluesKaj> there are some complaints about it breaking OpenGL
[15:37] <BluesKaj> Riddell, GL support for sandy bridge
[15:38] <shadeslayer> oh
[15:38] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: what's the issue?
[15:38] <shadeslayer> I have sandy bridge, can test
[15:38] <BluesKaj> it's not my prob , hang on  shadeslayer
[15:39] <shadeslayer> okay
[15:41] <BluesKaj> ok , it's steam game in beta , and after today's upgrade the gui segfaults , which it didn't do previously
[15:42] <BluesKaj> Euro truck simulator 2 shadeslayer , if you're interested
[15:42] <genii-around> I think it might have been opencl and not opengl
[15:42] <genii-around> BluesKaj ^
[15:42] <shadeslayer> heh
[15:43] <shadeslayer> I have no idea what that game uses :P
[15:45] <lordievader> Good afternoon
[15:45] <BluesKaj> genii-around, ok , he's in ubuntu+1, and not sure whetehr it's opencl or gl
[16:07] <Riddell> anyone object to bug 1170403 ?
[16:12] <shadeslayer> lol "/sys/class/android_usb/f_ffs/"
[16:18] <Kalidarn> nice to see usb-creator-kde works, i remember last time I used that it used to hang.
[16:19] <JontheEchidna> I've got an important muon upload in -proposed atm. I hope it's not too late?
[16:19] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: not if you ask nicely, what's new?
[16:20] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: I cherry-picked the fix for https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=317917
[16:20] <smartboyhw_> JontheEchidna it doesn't need an FFe right?
[16:20] <JontheEchidna> it wouldn't be a new feature, no
[16:20] <smartboyhw_> If it is bugfix they will allow it I think.
[16:21] <JontheEchidna> but we're running up close to final freeze
[16:21] <smartboyhw_> JontheEchidna: Upload now and ask nicely shoulf work before 21:00 UTC
[16:21] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: which I suppose is also bug 1169572
[16:25] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: accepted!
[16:25] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: thanks!
[16:25] <JontheEchidna> disaster averted. :)
[16:31] <Riddell> Riddell_: hi
[16:32] <Riddell> hmm well message indicator still works
[16:32] <Riddell> but it's off by default
[16:32] <Riddell> shadeslayer: do you remember when you turned it off did you turn on the relevant panel icons?
[16:33] <shadeslayer> uh
[16:33] <shadeslayer> did I turn off m-i?
[16:33] <shadeslayer> I don't think I did ....
[16:33] <Riddell>   * Replace message-indicator with KDE Telepathy presence
[16:33] <Riddell>     applet as discussed (LP: #1049976)
[16:33] <Riddell>  -- Rohan Garg<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 05:21:05 +0530
[16:33] <smartboyhw_> lol
[16:33] <Riddell> says kubuntu-settings
[16:33] <shadeslayer> er
[16:34] <smartboyhw_> Don't tell us it wasn't fixed:P
[16:34] <shadeslayer> I think the changelog entry is incorrectly worded
[16:34]  * shadeslayer looks at diff
[16:35] <smartboyhw_> :O
[16:35] <Riddell> you changed the plasma init script to load the presence plasmoid instead of message indicator
[16:35] <Riddell> in quantal
[16:35] <Riddell> but e.g. konversationrc is still ShowTrayIcon=false
[16:36] <davmor2> shadeslayer: link to this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2g5Hz17C4is and run ;)
[16:36] <shadeslayer> davmor2: can't do that, commit has my name on it :P
[16:37] <shadeslayer> Riddell: sigh, not sure why I removed message-indicator there :/
[16:37] <Riddell> do we override quassel's settings at all?
[16:37] <Riddell> shadeslayer: well nobody has complained so I guess it's not much missed
[16:37] <shadeslayer> heh true
[16:38] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I think so
[16:38] <Riddell> hi jr_
[16:38] <shadeslayer> I wonder what Quassel does when there's no m-i
[16:38] <shadeslayer> no notifications?
[16:39] <Riddell> Riddell_: hi
[16:39] <Riddell> shadeslayer: it uses kde's notifications
[16:41] <shadeslayer> ah
[16:42] <shadeslayer> Riddell: cool, so it does fallback
[16:46] <Riddell> dunno about fallback, it does both
[16:48] <Riddell> jr_: hi
[16:48] <Riddell> konversation on the other hand has none
[16:50] <JontheEchidna> that's odd, it does for me
[16:51] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: what does it do?
[16:51] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: http://i.imgur.com/mJ880sM.png
[16:51] <JontheEchidna> perhaps it's not on by default though
[16:51] <Riddell> yeah you have on screen display which isn't on by default
[16:52] <Riddell> and there's no knotify on by default
[16:52] <Riddell> so what should I put in our settings?
[16:52] <Riddell> I'm thinking tray icon by default
[16:52] <shadeslayer> tray icon yes
[16:52] <JontheEchidna> I'd recommend a conversation with Sho_, whatever gets decided.
[16:53] <shadeslayer> Riddell: oh also, what does KMail do
[16:53] <JontheEchidna> ^out of context that sounded really silly
[16:53] <shadeslayer> hehe
[16:53] <JontheEchidna> :P
[16:53] <shadeslayer> it eats your ram and burns your CPU
[16:54] <dmatt> hi, https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-28843 causes unreadable numbers in dolphin list of drives in Beta 2 install
[16:54] <Riddell> shadeslayer: tray icon or knotify?
[16:54] <JontheEchidna> yeah I had to just switch to GMail a few years back
[16:54] <dmatt> it is english install, only timezone was selected in slovakia
[16:54] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I'm in favor of a tray icon
[16:54] <dmatt> any chance of that being fixed?
[16:54] <shadeslayer> Riddell: but ask Sho what he expects?
[16:54] <Riddell> jr_: hi
[16:55] <Riddell> the konversation tray icon is really annoying, blinking red bulb
[16:55] <shadeslayer> or maybe just go with whatever is default upstream?
[16:55] <Riddell> upstream default is for none
[16:57] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: oh, actually I wasn't using the OSD, but rather colibri with knotify
[16:57] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: mm nice
[16:57] <JontheEchidna> I set the "nick written" notify event to show a popup
[16:58] <Riddell> I don't remember how to override knotify settings
[16:58] <shadeslayer> colibri ftw
[16:58] <shadeslayer> Riddell: usually each application has a config file for notifications
[16:59] <Riddell> mm, where?
[16:59] <shadeslayer> for eg ktelepathy.notifyrc
[17:00] <Riddell> ah yes I see konversation.notifyrc
[17:01] <shadeslayer> yep
[17:01] <Riddell> how about popup on query message and highlight?
[17:01] <shadeslayer> sounds fine to me
[17:01] <BluesKaj> Riddell, in settings>configure konv>general , uncheck "use sustem tray....
[17:02] <Riddell> jr_: hi
[17:02] <Riddell> jr_: hi
[17:02] <Riddell> jr_: hi
[17:02] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: I think you'll want the "nick written" one as well
[17:02] <Riddell> jr_: hi
[17:03] <Riddell> jr_: hi
[17:03] <Riddell> that did it
[17:03] <JontheEchidna> iirc the "highlight" one is for other non-nick highlights that you can set
[17:03] <JontheEchidna> a tad bit unintuitive
[17:06] <JontheEchidna> I'm off for my daily jog. Be back in ~30 minutes
[17:12] <Riddell> jr_: hi
[17:13] <Riddell> jr_: hi
[17:13] <Riddell> kjhhj
[17:13] <Riddell> kjhkh
[17:14] <Riddell> jr_: lkjh
[17:14] <dtchen> good thing there's context for ^ about ten minutes ago :)
[17:18] <Kalidarn> Riddell: did your cat sit on the keyboard?
[17:19] <dtchen> Kalidarn: looks like nick highlight testing (see my previous comment, or look up in the history about fifteen minutes)
[17:21] <Kalidarn> ah
[18:05]  * BluesKaj finally clues in , the highlight setting , now I remember why i turned it off :)
[18:21] <ScottK> Mirv: Accepted qt-creator.  Thanks.
[18:44] <Kalidarn> i assume it's a fairly trivial process to upgrade from raring ringtail development branch to the final released next week
[18:45] <Kalidarn> oops wrong channel
[19:01] <ScottK> Kalidarn: Yes.  It's just a regular package update.
[19:01] <Kalidarn> ah that's what it thought.
[19:08] <debfx> Riddell: indeed it doesn't fix the volume step :/
[19:08] <debfx> really annoying bug ...
[19:35] <Kalidarn> uhh oh, kernel panic while boot :(
[19:36] <Kalidarn> error: invalid environment block err.
[19:36] <Kalidarn> but it booted anyway
[19:46] <ahoneybun> hey people
[19:47] <lordievader> Good evening ahoneybun
[19:48] <ahoneybun> lordievader: good evening as well
[19:49] <ahoneybun> hey apachelogger
[19:49] <ahoneybun> lordievader: is there any low level work like junior jobs that you know of
[19:49] <ahoneybun> ?
[19:51] <shadeslayer> sure
[19:51] <shadeslayer> get me a kernel that boots on the Nexus 10
[19:51] <ahoneybun> shadeslayer: hello
[19:51] <lordievader> ahoneybun: You should ask someone else, I'm only a tester ;)
[19:51] <shadeslayer> with framebuffer
[19:51] <shadeslayer> *framebuffer console
[19:52] <ahoneybun> shadeslayer: I don't have a N10
[19:52] <shadeslayer> hehe
[19:52] <ahoneybun> shadeslayer: I hope you were joking lol
[19:52] <shadeslayer> was not :P
[19:52] <ahoneybun> I did not think so
[19:53] <ahoneybun> I'm happy to say I am using Kubuntu 12.10 on both my desktop and notebook
[19:55] <shadeslayer> ksleep
[19:55] <shadeslayer> night
[19:55] <ahoneybun> ?
[19:55] <lordievader> Sleep well, shadeslayer
[19:56] <ahoneybun> shadeslayer: yes
[19:56] <shadeslayer> yes?
[19:56] <ahoneybun> shadeslayer: I meant the same as lordievader, good night
[19:57] <shadeslayer> ah okay
[19:57] <shadeslayer> :)
[19:57] <yofel> nini
[19:57] <ahoneybun> yep see ya shadeslayer!
[19:59] <lordievader> Hey yofel, how are you doing?
[20:00] <yofel> tried from work, otherwise well
[20:01] <ahoneybun> yofel: I'm in the same boat


[00:31] <elopio> fginther: sorry, internet died here for a long time.
[00:31] <elopio> more investigation sounds correct, thanks.
[01:05] <mterry> What is the best way to reproduce a jenkins environment like it runs unity8 qmltests in?
[02:05] <imgbot> [03:35] <imgbot> [03:35] <imgbot> [09:05] <Saviq> cihelp, hey, I talke to ev a day or two back about https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/shellRotation/+merge/248400 not getting unity8-ci's attention
[09:05] <Saviq> apparently kgunn wasn't whitelisted for the job, but even after he was added, job is still boring?
[09:30] <ev> Saviq: if you're okay to wait until America wakes up, josepht will look into it as our vanguard today. Sorry that my fix didn't take.
[09:30] <Saviq> ev, sure, nw, not pressing - just want to get this resolved
[09:31] <ev> absolutely, as do I :)
[09:31] <sil2100> jibel, ogra_: internet problems
[09:31] <sil2100> Much ping, many latency
[09:31] <ogra_> lovely
[09:45] <sil2100> Robotic
[10:44] <sil2100> davmor2: yeah, so I checked the channel config and it might be non-trivial to put my test tarball to 14.09-proposed-customized
[10:45] <davmor2> \o/
[10:45] <sil2100> davmor2: I would have to modify the config for that as it's currently pulling those out of jankins
[10:45] <sil2100> So I prefer not to touch that
[10:45] <davmor2> saves the hassle of reverting
[10:53] <Chipaca> what's the right format for listing two bugs as closed in a single changelog entry? is this machine parsed at all?
[11:01] <Chipaca> trainguards, i can haz silo for row #55 plz?
[11:08] <Ursinha> Saviq: jenkins is being lazy in general, it seems, other people are reporting it as well, I'll talk to CI vanguard today about it and see how can we conduct proper investigation
[11:08] <sil2100> Chipaca: suar
[11:09] <sil2100> Chipaca: and yes, it's machine parsed but there's not one single best format
[11:09] <sil2100> Chipaca: sometimes people use (LP: #number, LP: #number2)
[11:09] <Chipaca> sil2100: I went for “(LP: #1426418, LP:1427702)”, here's hoping that works :)
[11:09] <Chipaca> oh, i just noticed that's self-inconsistent
[11:09] <sil2100> I would say the second one needs a # as well ;)
[11:09] <Chipaca> oh dear
[11:10] <Chipaca> fixed: now “(LP: #1426418, LP: #1427702)”
[11:11] <robru> sil2100: Chipaca http://bazaar.launchpad.net/+branch/cupstream2distro/view/head:/tests/unit/test_branchhandling.py#L211 here is the test code showing how bugs are parsed. it's pretty fast&loose.
[11:11] <robru> (also I am so not here right now)
[11:12] <Chipaca> robru: thanks :)
[11:13] <robru> Chipaca: you're welcome!
[11:13] <Chipaca> so it would've worked before too :)
[11:13] <robru> Chipaca: oh and it's also case-insensitive on top of the mostly-lowercase examples shown there
[11:14] <Chipaca> sil2100: i'm afraid i was pointing at the wrong merge (got an lp lock failure on that one, pushed to a different one, but bzr had already 'remembered' the first one, and i didn't notice)
[11:14] <Chipaca> sil2100: could you rejigger it?
[11:15] <sil2100> Chipaca: hm, ok, let me re-assign
[11:15] <Chipaca> thanks
[11:19] <Chipaca> sil2100: thank you again :)
[11:19]  * Chipaca builds
[11:19] <sil2100> The spreadsheet acts funny
[12:47]  * sil2100 goes to lunch
[13:09] <ricmm> sil2100: hey, could I get a silo for line 56 please
[13:10] <ricmm> or someone :)
[13:21] <ricmm> Mirv: maybe you could give me a hand with line 56
[13:21] <Saviq> ricmm, they're all responding to "trainguards" ;)
[13:21] <ogra_> just not if the bot says it
[13:22]  * ricmm summons trainguards
[13:22] <ricmm> no lightning and explosions :(
[13:26] <bzoltan_> om26er:  please feel free to check with me if you have questions related to the UITK landing.
[13:35] <om26er> bzoltan_, thanks, I am going to start with verifying the bug fixes and then do some general testing for things
[13:47] <bzoltan_> om26er:  it fixes 26 bugs :) so enjoy
[13:58] <om26er> bzoltan_, do you know if bug 1425470 is desktop specific ?
[13:59] <om26er> t1mp, I was looking for you :) is bug 1425470 for the desktop ?
[13:59] <bzoltan_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1425470
[14:00] <bzoltan_> om26er: it is a desktop specific
[14:00] <om26er> bzoltan_, great, thanks
[14:08] <om26er> bzoltan_, clock app crashes after setting up an alarm and then trying to edit it.
[14:08] <om26er> found that while verifying fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1401883
[14:09] <om26er> the crash is 100% reproducible.
[14:09] <nik90> om26er, bzoltan_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+bug/1422693/comments/1
[14:10] <om26er> nik90, ah, its your crash ?
[14:10] <om26er> phew!
[14:10] <nik90> om26er: well it appeared after the SDK fix for the bug you linked https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1401883
[14:11] <nik90> om26er: so it could be due to the SDK change since in RTM I cannot reproduce the crash
[14:11] <om26er> oh
[14:11] <nik90> om26er: however zsombor said that it could be due to API changes in vivid that clock app may not be adjusted for, but I havent looked into it yet
[14:12] <josepht> Saviq, kgunn: are you guys okay with all of the LP team 'unity-team' being able to land MPs?
[14:13] <Saviq> josepht, it's just -ci, we're landing through the CI train anyway, so really anything targeting lp:unity8 should trigger...
[14:14] <josepht> Saviq: unfortunately users/teams have to be whitelisted even for -ci
[14:14] <sil2100> ricmm: on it!
[14:14] <josepht> Saviq: afaiui at least
[14:14] <sil2100> ricmm: I was on lunch, and right now I'm the only trainguard around sadly :)
[14:15] <Saviq> josepht, if there has to be a team... I'd be fine with ~contributor-agreement-canonical
[14:15] <Saviq> which kinda makes sense
[14:15] <sil2100> ricmm: with the spreadsheet it would be painful to implement, but I hope once we have a working replacement we should be able to add some auto-assignment functionality in conditions when there are many free silos and no conflicts
[14:16] <Saviq> sil2100, silo *assignment* shouldn't care for conflicts IMO
[14:18] <sil2100> Saviq: in theory yes - we would have to implement some nice things that would inform the lander that the silo conflicts with silo x,y,z, since without that it could waste precious testing time of landers
[14:19] <sil2100> The current bot is not enough as not too many people notice its messages
[14:20] <Saviq> sil2100, yeah, xchat-gnome doesn't highlight my name for the bot msgs...
[14:20] <Saviq> sil2100, anyway, I'm sure that's solvable
[14:21] <josepht> Saviq: for the time being I've added unity-team.  I'll discuss with my team to see if adding ~c-a-c is acceptable.  I'm not certain that we can limit that just to lp:unity8 MPs
[14:22] <Saviq> josepht, sure, thanks
[14:29] <ricmm> sil2100: thanks!
[15:16] <jibel> sil2100, is there anything to discuss at the landing meeting today?
[15:16] <sil2100> jibel: I think with the current velocity no
[15:16] <jibel> sil2100, lets cancel it then?
[15:16] <sil2100> popey: just poke me once reminders is ready for a re-rest
[15:17] <sil2100> jibel: yeah, I think my todays connection would anyway interfere
[15:17] <sil2100> With robotic sounds and such
[15:17] <sil2100> popey, jibel, robru, ogra_, rvr, davmor2: no evening meeting today
[15:17] <ogra_> fine with me
[15:17] <rvr> Ack
[15:17] <ogra_> specifically on a friday :)
[15:17] <sil2100> davmor2: could you maybe cancel the todays one? ;) Since you're the owner!
[15:17] <davmor2> \o/ parties for the rest of the day
[15:18] <davmor2> sil2100: nope :P
[15:18] <popey> sil2100: okay, will be monday
[15:18] <ogra_> sil2100, as if your phone calendars would sync that :P
[15:18] <ogra_> *our
[15:21] <davmor2> sil2100: your the owner now buddy boy :D
[15:22] <sil2100> Uh oh!
[15:23] <sil2100> I'm teh owner!
[15:24] <sil2100> davmor2: thanks ;)
[15:24] <davmor2> sil2100: so erm feel free to cancel the meeting any time ;)
[15:24] <sil2100> Iz canzeld
[15:25] <om26er> nik90, is there a branch for the fix for bug 1422693 ?
[15:26] <nik90> om26er: that bug was also fixed by the SDK MP https://code.launchpad.net/~zsombi/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/alarm-regression-fix/+merge/251096
[15:27] <nik90> om26er: To be more clear, both https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1401883 and https://launchpad.net/bugs/1422693 were fixed by that MP
[15:28] <om26er> nik90, hmm, well I found that crash while I was testing a silo that contained the above branch. So the issue is still happening
[15:29] <nik90> om26er: When I tested that MP, I was able to enable/disable alarms that were saved before
[15:30] <nik90> om26er: But I noticed clock app crashes when trying to create a new alarm sometimes
[15:30] <om26er> nik90, hm, the crash that I am seeing happenes when you try to edit the alarm
[15:30] <nik90> om26er: does it also crash when you try to enable/disable an alarm?
[15:31] <om26er> nik90, doesn't seem to crash while enabling/disabling
[15:31] <om26er> nik90, I found the crash while testing the fix for #1401883
[15:34] <nik90> om26er: can I ask if it crashes after trying to save an old alarm? Or when trying to open an alarm itself?
[15:34] <nik90> om26er: I will have to flash my phone back to ubuntu-vivid to test this out
[15:35] <om26er> nik90, I create a new alarm, it appears in the alarm list. When I try to tap the alarm list item to edit it, the app crashes.
[15:35] <om26er> It happens for both old and new alarms.
[15:35] <om26er> nik90, stacktrace here (if you can open that page): https://errors.ubuntu.com/oops/ab1b4b58-c409-11e4-8065-fa163e4aaad4
[15:36] <nik90> om26er: ooh that's bad..I will look into it and coordinate with zsombor
[15:37] <nik90> yeah I am able to open the page
[15:38] <om26er> bzoltan_, Hey!
[15:38] <bzoltan_> om26er:  here
[15:38] <om26er> bzoltan_, the silo causes a crash in clock app. ^
[15:39] <bzoltan_> om26er: Does the clock app have autopilot test for it?
[15:39] <dobey> slangasek: oh sorry, i didn't realize there was a new lib package too in the other MP. it's not my landing but i need it for work we're doing in the click scope, so i was just poking to get a review. thanks. i'll bug the devs
[15:40] <nik90> bzoltan_: there is a QML test for it
[15:41] <nik90> bzoltan_: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-clock-dev/ubuntu-clock-app/utopic-3.0/view/head:/tests/unit/tst_alarm.qml#L292
[15:41] <bzoltan_> nik90: AP test is the test
[15:43] <nik90> bzoltan_: there isnt a AP test for it. This is also why the QML test are also run by jenkins on every MP merge
[15:44] <bzoltan_> nik90: QML test is not a functional test. We must have AP tests for all critical functions
[15:44] <zsombi> nik90: let me check what do you have in the app
[15:44] <bzoltan_> zsombi: om26er just left the ch .. I guess he will be back
[15:45] <nik90> zsombi: I am checking as well, here's the stack trace log https://errors.ubuntu.com/oops/ab1b4b58-c409-11e4-8065-fa163e4aaad4
[15:47] <bzoltan_> nik90:  please do not replace AP with QML tests... AP testing is the only ways to prevent integration caused regressions like this.
[15:47] <zsombi> nik90: give me the file name which lists the alarms
[15:47] <bzoltan_> nik90:  because we have unit tests for editing alarms :) and that passed.
[15:47] <nik90> zsombi: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-clock-dev/ubuntu-clock-app/utopic-3.0/view/head:/app/alarm/EditAlarmPage.qml
[15:48] <nik90> bzoltan_: because it is becoming really difficult to maintain AP, QML units tests and manual tests just by myself..I am trying to unify the test suite for clock app
[15:49] <zsombi> nik90: do you by any chance unload the page which contains the AlarmModel when teh edit page is opened?
[15:49] <bzoltan_> nik90:  it is fine to make QML unit tests... but those are not functional tests and so teh UITK test plan can not run them
[15:50] <nik90> zsombi: 1 sec, let me check
[15:50] <bzoltan_> nik90:  not to mention that the clock app AP test requires manual input to accept the policy
[15:50] <nik90> bzoltan_: which policy?
[15:51] <bzoltan_> nik90:  the first time the clock app is deployed it asks for access
[15:51] <bzoltan_> nik90:  and that makes _all_ autopilot tests fail
[15:51] <nik90> zsombi: no I dont unload the page that contains the alarmmodel. the laarm model is loaded by mainview essentially
[15:51] <zsombi> nik90: how about using teh new ListItem in the list?
[15:51] <nik90> bzoltan_: I agree but I cannot do anything about it. That's an upstream bug which was recognized by QA
[15:52] <nik90> zsombi: Well the SDK is currently running clock app tests from the trunk branch which is for RTM
[15:53] <zsombi> nik90: ok
[15:53] <nik90> zsombi: Also I cannot switch to the new listitems without having multiselect feature which hasn't landed in vivid yet. I was planning to transition the alarm listitem after it lands :)
[15:53] <bzoltan_> nik90:  who is maintaining the clock app's AP tests? :) I thought it is you
[15:54] <zsombi> nik90: I am checking the way you get the alarm data when you change the alarm...
[15:54] <bzoltan_> nik90:  This ongoing UITK landing has the ListItem... what is now blocked by the clock app :D :D
[15:54] <nik90> bzoltan_: I do..but in the case of the location prompt issue, I got the help from QA to fix that issue in https://code.launchpad.net/~brendan-donegan/ubuntu-clock-app/disable_location_prompt/+merge/242682
[15:55] <nik90> bzoltan_: but if you check the last few comments in that MP, you will see that it requires patches upstream as well
[15:55] <nik90> before it can be fixed in the clock app
[15:55] <nik90> zsombi: do you want to do this in a hangout, would be much easier to point out the relevant parts of the code
[15:55] <zsombi> nik90: ehh... I cannot get any closer... to me seems the get() function is crashing somehow...
[15:56] <zsombi> nik90: let's try one quick
[15:57] <zsombi> nhave an URL?
[15:58] <zsombi> nik90: have an URL?
[15:58] <nik90> zsombi: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/guud6q3hb2mop34ybehpg7k7wqa
[16:04] <greyback_> sil2100: hey, I want to land rtm silo12, which fixes https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-rtm/+source/qtmir/+bug/1423787 - am I blocked unless the priority is bumped to critical?
[16:05] <sil2100> greyback_: hey
[16:06] <sil2100> greyback_: hm, looking at it, it looks like it's a good thing to land
[16:06] <sil2100> It's milestoned for ww13-ota
[16:06] <greyback_> sil2100: hold off for one sec, I need to confirm something
[16:06] <sil2100> And it's a battery fix...
[16:06] <greyback_> yeah
[16:06] <bzoltan_> om26er:  zsombi and nik90 are working on that issue. It is not clear yet for me if it is an app bug what the new landing just oncovered or a regression. Would you please carry on with the validation and revisit this issue in an hour or so?
[16:07] <om26er> bzoltan_, ok, sure.
[16:07] <om26er> bzoltan_, I have verified the bugs that could be tested manually, other I believe are covered by unit tests.
[16:08] <om26er> bzoltan_, now just fiddling around here and there to see if the silo broke something.
[16:08] <ahayzen> greyback_, o/ just to double check the if you are playing music and the music-app is not in the foreground and the screen is off... the app still has a wakelock to keep it awake so it can tell media-hub of the next track to play right?
[16:09] <greyback_> ahayzen: correct, the app itself (actually pulseaudio) will have its own wakelock to keep the device awake
[16:09] <ahayzen> greyback_, and our process isn't cut due to the lifecycle exception ?
[16:09] <greyback_> ahayzen: also correct
[16:09] <ahayzen> greyback_, awesome thanks just wanted to double check :)
[16:09] <greyback_> ahayzen: understood :)
[16:14] <zsombi> bzoltan_: we couldn't detect the root cause, we agreed with nik90 that he is gonna make some changes on the app, and if still crashes, then he tries to provide a simple app so I can work on it
[16:15] <zsombi> bzoltan_: but it can be that we cannot fix earlier than Monday
[16:16] <bzoltan_> zsombi: nik90: just to be precise... this issue is holding up the most important and final 15.04 reelase of the UITK. SO I really would like to hear something real super quickly :)
[16:17] <bzoltan_> nik90:  and yes... if the app would have AP coverage then this issue would have been captured on Wednesday ... so no, I am not happy with QML test only unit tests.
[16:19] <nik90> bzoltan_: alrite I will convert all of QML *functional tests* as well to AP I guess
[16:20] <nerochiaro> greyback_: hi, did you see my messages from yesteday ?
[16:21] <greyback_> nerochiaro: I did, and I managed to repro it on my device
[16:21] <greyback_> then had to blast it away to work on something else
[16:21] <greyback_> but at least I can repro, so now I can investigate
[16:22] <Saviq> ogra_, got 124 on your mako by any chance?
[16:22] <bzoltan_> nik90:  I do not ask you to overdo it :) but he critical functions should be AP covered.
[16:22] <nerochiaro> greyback_: excellent
[16:23] <greyback_> nerochiaro: also confirmed that there are not 2 camera-app process running at any stage
[16:23] <bzoltan_> nik90: all in all, it s a good example that QML tests do not replace AP tests < Saviq ;)
[16:23] <ogra_> Saviq, my mako is out of battery since 2 months or so
[16:23] <Saviq> bzoltan_, I never said they do
[16:24] <Saviq> ogra_, k nvm
[16:24] <nerochiaro> greyback_: and camera did not crash during previous tests, right ?
[16:24] <greyback_> nerochiaro: feck, forgot to look
[16:24] <bzoltan_> Saviq: I know, but it worth to keep in mind
[16:24] <nerochiaro> greyback_: it did not in my case
[16:24] <bzoltan_> nik90:  but now let's hope you can fix the app , please keep me posted.
[16:25] <nik90> bzoltan_: yeah will do
[16:25] <greyback_> nerochiaro: ok. Monday I'll be giving this my full attention
[16:26] <nerochiaro> greyback_: feel free to poke me too. I am off now. have a great weekend
[16:26] <greyback_> nerochiaro: will do, thanks and have a good one!
[16:32] <zsombi> bzoltan_: nik90: It crashes in the QHash
[16:33] <bzoltan_> zsombi:  wth?
[16:33] <zsombi> bzoltan_: good question...
[16:35] <zsombi> bzoltan_: nik90: feels like there's some race condition... the get() function dies, the model works well
[16:35] <zsombi> bzoltan_: nik90: but the get() dies only if I do it like the Clocka app does...
[16:35] <nik90> zsombi: hmm
[16:36] <nik90> zsombi: so If I passed the alarm object as we discussed, would that fix it?
[16:36] <zsombi> nik90: let me stretch it a bit
[16:36] <nik90> zsombi: also how does get() die when it is inside the edit alarm page
[16:37] <zsombi> nik90: yes, it dies then...
[16:37] <zsombi> nik90: and it works if I do PageStack.push("AlarmEdit.qml", {tempAlarm: model})
[16:38] <zsombi> nik90: or {tempAlarm: alarmModel.get(index)}
[16:38] <nik90> zsombi: oh!
[16:39] <zsombi> nik90: remember, you don't even need to use get() if you open teh alarm by tapping on teh item, you hav ethe model role =on your disposal
[16:39] <zsombi> nik90: the crash I reproduced with the test app I made
[16:39] <zsombi> from teh toolkit
[16:40] <nik90> zsombi: yeah I understand. Let me confirm the fix. I just finished flashing vivid. if it does fix the crash, then this is a app issue and the UITK can proceed with the final vivid release
[16:40] <nik90> zsombi: agree? ^^
[16:41] <bzoltan_> nik90:  he does :D
[16:41] <bzoltan_> om26er: ^^^
[16:41] <nik90> bzoltan_: awesome
[16:41] <om26er> coolio
[16:47] <bzoltan_> zsombi:  thank you very much dude .. and now get lost from here
[16:53] <bzoltan_> nik90:  I am happy that there is a solution. Thank you for taking this ball.
[16:54] <nik90> bzoltan_: well zsombor found out the mistake + I need those new listitems badly :P
[17:00] <ogra_> sil2100, just FYI my phone just notified me about the meeting :) didnt really help to cancel the event from the calendar
[17:00] <sil2100> :|
[17:01] <ogra_> (as i had expected, i doubt it updates regulary)
[17:01] <ogra_> popey, ^^ is that expected to work ?
[17:01] <bzoltan_> nik90:  you will get them today if all goes well...
[17:02] <popey> it should sync, if it doesn't file a bug
[17:02] <bzoltan_> nik90:  actually I have an idea... you do not have to invest your time too much in AP tests if you regularly test your app with the staging UITK
[17:02] <ogra_> popey, on what fequency ... the meeting was only canceled 1.5h ago
[17:03] <popey> i also got the reminder on my phone
[17:03] <popey> it should sync in the background imo.. bfiller ? sync-monitor - what triggers it?
[17:03] <popey> only the sync button in calendar?
[17:03] <ogra_> and when :)
[17:04] <bfiller> popey: sync happens if you modify or add a new google calendar event in the calendar app
[17:04] <bzoltan_> nik90: from here https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/+archive/ubuntu/staging
[17:04] <popey> right, has to be done in the app
[17:04] <ogra_> bfiller, so it doesnt pick up changes from gcal ever ?
[17:04] <bfiller> popey: changes made on the google side are not sync'd to the app automatically, that's what the refresh button is for. we get no push notifications
[17:04] <bfiller> ogra_: at startup
[17:04]  * ogra_ wouldhave thought at least once a day
[17:05] <ogra_> at startup of the phone ?
[17:05] <bfiller> ogra_: of the app
[17:05] <bfiller> I believe
[17:05] <ogra_> ah, i never start it
[17:05] <bfiller> not 100% sure on that
[17:05] <ogra_> i manage my calendar via the desktop
[17:05] <ogra_> the phone is only used for the notifications ...
[17:05] <ogra_> we should have a sync shedule
[17:05] <bfiller> basically we have no push notification from google for calendar events
[17:05] <bfiller> ogra_: we didn't want to poll
[17:06] <ogra_> well, we kind of have to to keep the calendar updated
[17:06] <ogra_> at least optionally with a setting in the calendar app or some such
[17:06] <bfiller> ogra_: could be done yes
[17:07] <bfiller> ogra_: now there is a manual sync button you can press in the app
[17:07] <nik90> bzoltan_, om26er: I confirm that the crash was due to the code in clock app. I have a patch ready to fix it in the clock app and tested it on vivid image 124 Mako. You can go ahead with the UITK landing.
[17:07] <om26er> nik90, bzoltan_ \o/
[17:07] <nik90> bzoltan_, om26er: If you so wish, I can provide the MP link for you guys to try it if you want.
[17:07] <ogra_> bfiller, sure ... but only if i actually know something changed :)
[17:08] <bfiller> ogra_: we really want push notifications but until we have that your way could work
[17:08] <om26er> bzoltan_, I think we need some kind of sanity test suite for the UI-toolkit, a list of test cases to be checked manually, stuff that cannot be automated.
[17:14] <nik90> bzoltan_, zsombi: https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/fix-alarm-crash/+merge/252150
[17:15] <nik90> bzoltan_: hmm I could do that (testing clock app with staging uitk regularly). We'll see. I don't want to take on more responsibility than I already do..if every other project like i-dt, sdk, eds etc run clock AP tests to check for regressions, then I rather convert to AP and forget about it.
[17:24] <sil2100> Ok, I go lay down now for a few moments
[17:24] <bzoltan_> om26er: In my opinion we do not need to invent a substitute of autopilot for the cases where the app has no autopilot coverage :D The solution is to have proper autopilot tests
[17:24] <sil2100> robru should be around in case any trainguard-related things are needed
[17:25] <om26er> bzoltan_, autopilot cannot cover visual issues for example
[17:29] <bzoltan_> om26er:  that is true... I do basic sanity check, but only basic. Releasing the UITK is by far the most test covered and most time consuming releasing process, I woul be happer to make it shorter and not longer
[17:30] <om26er> bzoltan_, You need to hire a release manager :)
[17:31] <om26er> bzoltan_, anyways, this landing is good to go.
[18:05] <bzoltan_> om26er:  hiring a release manager would make me half unemployed :D
[18:05] <ogra_> hire two ... then they need a manager
[18:05] <bzoltan_> om26er: Thank you for the validation.
[18:06] <bzoltan_> ogra_: errr.. I have walked that floor before :)
[18:06] <ogra_> heh
[18:14] <robru> kenvandine: can I get you to do a packaging ack? https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-003-2-publish/ thanks
[18:14] <kenvandine> robru, sure
[18:14] <robru> thanks
[18:15] <bzoltan_> robru:  any chance to hold that silo3 for a sec?
[18:15] <robru> bzoltan_: yes there is ;-)
[18:18] <kenvandine> robru, ok ack
[18:18] <om26er> Chipaca, Hi! How long does it normally take for a push notification to appear ? is there a fixed refresh interval ?
[18:18] <bzoltan_> robru:  OK, good to go
[18:18] <robru> kenvandine: thanks
[18:18] <robru> bzoltan_: sure thing
[18:18] <bzoltan_> robru:  I ws just confused by the state of a branch what was proposed to the landing branch
[18:19] <robru> bzoltan_: yeah the diff looked a little weird with rtm changelog entries being proposed into the vivid branch, but that's not harmful by itself...
[18:58] <robru> infinity: cjwatson: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-017-2-publish/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/packaging_changes_ubuntu-app-launch_0.4+15.04.20150305.1-0ubuntu1.diff new binary package needs an ack if you have  a sec
[19:06] <infinity> robru: Looking.
[19:06]  * tedg can answer questions on that too
[19:06] <robru> infinity: thanks
[19:08] <infinity> tedg: So, ubuntu-app-test builds on all arches, but only links libmirwhatever on arches where it exists?
[19:09] <tedg> infinity, It doesn't build the binary, it uses a shell script that says "nope, sorry"
[19:09] <infinity> Oh, heh.
[19:09] <infinity> tedg: You could just not build the package at all.
[19:09] <tedg> infinity, I didn't want to mess up other people who want to dep on it.
[19:09] <infinity> tedg: Fair enough.
[19:10] <infinity> tedg: Not a criticism of the packaging, but the upstream (since the packaging moves things to the right spot), but a subdir in /usr/bin, really?
[19:11] <infinity> tedg: Not only is that icky, but I generally think it's sane when an upstream "make && make install" lands things in more or less the same spot as the packaging would.
[19:11] <tedg> infinity, Yeah, I wanted to use "*" for the bins in both of the packages.
[19:11] <tedg> infinity, Otherwise I'd end up listing them
[19:11] <tedg> Is there another way to do that?
[19:12] <infinity> tedg: Anyhow, as an archive guy, I don't care, since the debs are right, just an "ew".
[19:12] <tedg> I didn't want to explode the .install files
[19:12] <om26er> Chipaca, ping, need some help with 'poke'
[19:13] <Ursinha> popey: hello :) are you still around?
[19:14] <infinity> tedg: And, no, .install files don't support any real fancy regexes or anything, so probably hard to do what you're after.
[19:14] <tedg> Bummer, I didn't think so. Hoping it was a secret :-)
[19:16] <infinity> tedg: If ubuntu-app-test is just one or two binaries, you can override_dh_install to install those two by hand, then wildcard the other package, that's about as clean as you can get while still shipping it all in bin (other than having it all listed in the install files, as you noted)
[19:16] <infinity> Well, s/install/move/ since you don't want it in both places.
[19:17] <infinity> So, yeah.  Whatever.   I might play with that, see if something nicer comes out.
[19:18] <robru> infinity: so that's an ack?
[19:19] <dobey> tedg: how many binaries do you have?
[19:19] <infinity> robru: Yeah, it's good enough.  If ted wants to fix how he installs things upstream, that's not relevant to Ubuntu.
[19:19] <robru> infinity: thanks!
[19:19] <tedg> dobey, ~10
[19:19] <infinity> tedg: Oh.  When you said "explode", I was thinking dozens.
[19:20] <dobey> tedg: they're all things that should be run directly by people on the command line?
[19:20]  * tedg is a small player
[19:20] <infinity> tedg: If it's just 10, list them all, and use --fail-missing to make sure you don't screw up and forget to add new ones when they happen.
[19:20] <tedg> dobey, Yeah, they're mostly tools for figuring out what's wrong with Unity 8 ;-)
[19:21] <infinity> robru: adconrad, not infinity
[19:21] <dobey> tedg: ah, bummer
[19:21] <robru> infinity: heh, thanks
[19:21] <tedg> robru, Instead of infinity try nan
[19:21] <infinity> (But good to see it failing)
[19:21] <infinity> tedg: ITYM Batman.
[19:22] <tedg> Thanks infinity and robru!
[19:22] <robru> tedg: you're welcome
[19:22] <dobey> no no, thank you
[19:23] <dobey> now i might be able to get these autopilot tests working in jenkins on mako/emulator
[19:24] <robru> Saviq: you around? what packages do you work on that use 'X-Auto-Uploader: no-rewrite-version'?
[19:29] <rsalveti> ogra_: Writing Boot Image /dev/disk/by-partlabel/boot
[19:29] <rsalveti> ogra_: Processing triggers for initramfs-tools-ubuntu-touch (0.83) ...
[19:29] <rsalveti> ogra_: on arale, after dist-upgrade
[19:29] <rsalveti> it seems flash-kernel is trying to flash the kernel in there
[19:29] <rsalveti> and makes the device to become dead
[19:29] <ogra_> lovely
[19:30] <ogra_> lets put FLASH_KERNEL_SKIP=true into /etc/environemnt ...
[19:30] <rsalveti> ogra_: yeah
[19:52] <popey> Ursinha: ya
[19:54] <Ursinha> popey: hi :) we have modified https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Testing with the instructions to run smoke testing locally as close to as CI does, do you mind having a look to see if that looks okay?
[19:54] <Ursinha> please :)
[19:55] <Ursinha> there is also http://ubuntu-test-cases-touch.readthedocs.org/en/latest/
[19:56] <popey> Ursinha: will take a look
[19:56] <Ursinha> popey: thanks
[20:11] <Chipaca> om26er: pong
[20:11] <om26er> Chipaca, poke is giving me hard time
[20:12] <Chipaca> om26er: it's not particularly user-friendly i'm afraid
[20:12] <Chipaca> om26er: how can i help?
[20:12] <ogra_> rsalveti, http://paste.ubuntu.com/10552444/ ... but that will require you to call flash-kernel explicitly on nexus devices indeed
[20:12] <om26er> Chipaca, I need to test silo 2, and need to create fake notifications with poke it says:
[20:12] <om26er> Something went wrong: Please ensure the token filename's directory is readable only by you.
[20:13] <Chipaca> om26er: chmod 0700 ~/.config/poke; chmod 0600 ~/.config/poke/token
[20:14] <rsalveti> ogra_: yeah, that's fine
[20:15] <om26er> Chipaca, if I do "./poke -t Hi -b "there asagd"" is it supposed to show me something ?
[20:16] <om26er> ...on the device
[20:16] <om26er> it does print "200 {"ok":true}"
[20:16] <Chipaca> om26er: yes
[20:16] <om26er> Chipaca, hm, no notifications for me
[20:17] <Chipaca> om26er: how's your network? :)
[20:18] <om26er> Chipaca, its good
[20:18] <om26er> Chipaca, I restart the device and I can see the notification
[20:23] <Chipaca> om26er: at some point i'd like to sit down with you and debug logs and see what's going on, because it's not the first time i've seen weirdness with you and push
[20:30] <ogra_> rsalveti, uploaded
[20:31] <rsalveti> ogra_: lovely, thanks!
[20:33] <Chipaca> om26er: did it continue receiving notifications such that you could test?
[20:33] <om26er> Chipaca, yes, its good now. I am able to test it fine.
[20:33] <Chipaca> om26er: excellent
[20:47] <rsalveti> kenvandine: rebuilding your silo now
[20:47] <rsalveti> robru: will trigger a new rtm image after silo 12 gets published
[20:48] <kenvandine> rsalveti, thx
[20:50] <robru> rsalveti: cool
[21:05] <dobey> cihelp: hi, a new package is in vivid now "ubuntu-app-test" which should enable us to test pay-ui properly on devices, but the way tests are being run in jenkins, it doesn't get installed on the devices there. how can we get it installed on the device to run our tests?
[21:06] <josepht> dobey: I'll add a task and see what needs to happen\
[21:07] <dobey> josepht: thanks. i'm guessing once the tests are actually being run with adt-run in this scenario, it won't be an issue (but i don't know when that is going to happen)
[21:15] <imgbot> [21:16] <om26er> Chipaca, if you are still around, can you tell a way to force update to get latest gmail notifications ?
[21:16] <om26er> instead of waiting 5 minutes
[21:16] <Chipaca> om26er: yes, give me a moment
[21:17] <Chipaca> gdbus call --session -d com.ubuntu.AccountPolld -o /com/ubuntu/AccountPolld -m com.ubuntu.AccountPolld.Poll
[21:17] <Chipaca> om26er: ^
[21:17] <om26er> Chipaca, super, thanks
[21:19] <om26er> Chipaca, I have found a bug where gmail notifications won't appear in the menu, only the notification sound is heard.
[21:19] <om26er> good thing is its not related to the new silo
[21:19] <om26er> I'll report a bug now.
[21:19] <Chipaca> om26er: wow
[21:19] <Chipaca> om26er: turn on debug logs for push
[21:19] <Chipaca> om26er: attach push and poll logs to bug
[21:19] <Chipaca> om26er: thanks :)
[21:20] <om26er> Chipaca, how to turn debug on ?
[21:20] <Chipaca> om26er: debug logs for push: if device is writable, sed -i -e 's/info/debug/' /etc/xdg/ubuntu-push-client/config.json
[21:20] <Chipaca> om26er: and restart ubuntu-push-client
[21:20] <Chipaca> om26er: logs for push are in ~/.cache/upstart/ubuntu-push-client.log
[21:21] <Chipaca> om26er: logs for poll are in ~/.cache/upstart/account-polld.log
[21:40] <om26er> Chipaca, bug 1429276
[21:40] <om26er> Chipaca, it happens when screen gets locked.
[21:42] <Chipaca> om26er: niiice
[21:42] <Chipaca> i think i'll be chasing that next week
[22:25] <imgbot> [22:25] <imgbot> [22:52] <josepht> dobey: that change has landed for the pay-ui ubuntu-app-test package
[22:52] <dobey> great thanks
[22:53] <josepht> np


[01:10] <nixternal> roger
[01:11] <crimsun> wilco
[01:12] <nixternal> man, I had this drink called a "Racehorse", 4 shots of expresso, vanilla, and some ice
[01:12] <nixternal> I feel like I swallowed dynamite
[01:13] <crimsun> no, that's after you install Vista!
[01:13] <nixternal> heh, nevah!
[01:31] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: philbull * r3924 ubuntu/keeping-safe/C/keeping-safe.xml: Added section-based layout to users and groups section
[01:33] <etchian_> hi
[01:36] <etchian_> Does the GFDL meets the Ubuntu License evaluation criteria?
[01:51] <Admiral_Chicago> why do you ask?
[02:02] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: philbull * r3925 ubuntu/games/C/games.xml: Fix typo
[02:02] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: philbull * r3926 kubuntu/games/C/games.xml: Fix typo
[02:28] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: philbull * r3927 ubuntu/printing/C/printing.xml: Minor edits for style and structure
[03:02] <etchian_> If we GFDL Ubuntu documentation derivative, would that meet your License criteria, Admiral_Chicago?
[03:02] <etchian_> I want to build on your documentation if the license allows it, but we gfdl our documentation.
[03:02] <omgponiezlol> i'm definetly not the man to answer that question. as far as i know, doc work is CC SA license
[03:03] <etchian_> Ok.  I am no license pro either.  I just write doc.
[03:03] <omgponiezlol> i just proof read...lol
[03:04] <etchian_> I do that to :-)
[03:05] <etchian_> Looks like doc is pretty decentralized, in Ubuntu.  Am I right?
[03:06] <tonyyarusso> etchian_: well, there's the doc team coordinating it all, but things come in from all over, ya
[03:07] <etchian_> The doc team, is that Corey's department?
[03:07] <jjesse> corey does some work yeah
[03:08] <etchian_> Well, looks like Google will be the best line of attack...
[03:09] <etchian_> Thanks for the information, guys.
[03:13] <nixternal> etchian_: our docs are CC-by-SA, so in order to re-use our docs you would have to license your docs CC-by-SA as well
[03:15] <omgponiezlol> nixternal: in the kubuntu >> games doc, there is a link for planet tux racer
[03:15] <omgponiezlol> the link was dead by last compile
[03:15] <omgponiezlol> should i take it out?
[03:15] <omgponiezlol> i just checked it, the link is still dead?
[03:15] <omgponiezlol> *dead.
[03:16] <omgponiezlol> i figured you would know, it's part of a small patch I'm working on
[03:16] <jjesse> take it out if the link is dead
[03:17] <omgponiezlol> thanks jjesse
[03:17] <jjesse> np omgponiezlol
[03:17] <omgponiezlol> blah this doc is long, last one for the night
[03:18] <jjesse> yeah i know it is long :)
[03:18] <jjesse> ok just have ubiquity screen shots and this is done :)
[03:19] <omgponiezlol> though to be fair i shouldn't be complaining to you about doc work...ha.
[03:21] <nixternal> omgponiezlol: don't take it out, find another link for it
[03:21] <nixternal> oh wait, ya, tux racer, it is dead
[03:21] <jjesse> nixternal: the upgrader is sweet
[03:21] <jjesse> upgrading right now via it
[03:22] <omgponiezlol> oops, dang i'll check the diff and put it back
[03:22] <nixternal> omgponiezlol: http://developer.berlios.de/projects/ppracer/
[03:22] <nixternal> replace the link with that one
[03:25] <omgponiezlol> will do
[03:27] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3928 kubuntu/basic-concepts/C/basic-concepts.xml: Freddy's patch
[03:27] <nixternal> Admiral_Chicago: what are you working on now?
[03:27] <Admiral_Chicago> nixternal: games patch
[03:27] <nixternal> games?
[03:27] <Admiral_Chicago> last one for the night
[03:27] <Admiral_Chicago> yea two small edits
[03:27] <nixternal> games shouldn't be all that bad since it has been worked on by many
[03:28] <Admiral_Chicago> nope, it was a punctuation thing.
[03:29] <nixternal> hey, Kubuntu includes more than 1,000 pieces of software, it has access to over 20,000 :)
[03:30] <Admiral_Chicago> what did I say?
[03:30] <Admiral_Chicago> oh i see, hmm. either way, the fix was needed for one or the other
[03:31] <Admiral_Chicago> i think
[03:32] <nixternal> Admiral_Chicago: don't worry so much about word wrapping. grammar and spell checking is what needs fixing
[03:33] <Admiral_Chicago> okay, it looked all good to me. See me remove the "however" in one.
[03:33] <nixternal> add-applications and about-kubuntu files didn't seem to have any grammar or spell checking really done on them
[03:33] <nixternal> ya, I seen that
[03:33] <Admiral_Chicago> okay i'll keep that in mind.
[03:33] <nixternal> right now, it would be best to try and grab the super obvious
[03:33] <Admiral_Chicago> afk
[03:34] <Admiral_Chicago> will do.
[03:34] <nixternal> although we need to take it up a notch because I know Caroline Ford is chomping at the bits to report bug after bug on these docs
[03:34] <jjesse> nixternal: i'm finishing the chpt today
[03:34] <jjesse> so i can focus tomorrow
[03:34] <jjesse> right now i'm upgrading to feisty
[03:34] <jjesse> hopefully it works
[03:35] <jjesse> only 3 hours and 5 minutes remaining
[03:35] <nixternal> hehe, Feisty has been crashing for me the past couple of days, right in the middle of something as well
[03:35] <nixternal> I am sure it is probably residual leftovers from the updates during the entire dev cycle
[03:36] <nixternal> jjesse: as long as I have the xml2po's done by Thursday we are good :)
[03:36] <jjesse> good
[03:36] <Admiral_Chicago> nixternal: what time thursday?
[03:36] <nixternal> Admiral_Chicago: when I say so I am thinking
[03:36] <nixternal> I can probably get an extra day or 2 out of it anyways as well
[03:36] <jjesse> so here's a fun fact, i got a note yesterday at the hotel that they will be doing maintenence and water will be unavailable from 10am to 4pm
[03:36] <jjesse> and the water is still off
[03:36] <jjesse> :(
[03:37] <nixternal> I will try to extend a week due to some of the herd releases being late
[03:37] <nixternal> jjesse: that sucks!
[03:37] <Admiral_Chicago> i can help during the morning / early afternoon.
[03:37] <nixternal> I will be doing a little tomorrow, then I am gone all evening tomorrow
[03:37] <Admiral_Chicago> or i'm on break this Friday. mucho tiempo para Ubuntu
[03:38] <nixternal> heh, Admiral_Chicago to bad the dev cycle is pretty much over with now :)
[03:38] <Admiral_Chicago> either way, msg me and I'll help
[03:38] <Admiral_Chicago> ya i was on break while it was starting and busy as a bee during the real work
[03:39] <nixternal> I am going to take classes through the summer, to bad IT wise their courses suck, so I am going to take an ASP.NET class, Java class, Philosophy and Ethics, and my 3rd class I haven't figured out just yet
[03:39] <nixternal> I was going to do the Advanced C++ course, but I am going to wait until the fall semester for that
[03:40] <Admiral_Chicago> blah, .Net
[03:40] <Admiral_Chicago> my first language...
[03:40] <nixternal> jjesse: hey, for that Konqueror Handbook bug that I thought I fixed, well it seems we reconfigure Konqi not to have Go and Window in the menubar, so if you want, you can create a patch against kdebase for Kubuntu
[03:41] <nixternal> that is the only way to fix the problem, it isn't an upstream issue, which is odd, because SuSE and Fedora remove them as well
[03:41] <jjesse> umm i don't know how to create  patch
[03:41] <nixternal> so when I checked my other boxes and noticed the same thing
[03:41] <jjesse> so can you take the bug and do it?
[03:41] <nixternal> I can do it if you would like
[03:41] <nixternal> sure, I will rock out
[03:56] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3929 kubuntu/games/C/games.xml: Freddy's patch minus the operating system portion - operating system isn't capatilized
[03:57] <Admiral_Chicago> it is too!
[05:02] <crimsun> Ubuntu Help Center looks nice
[05:15] <nixternal> Admiral_Chicago: no it isn't!
[05:15] <nixternal> Admiral_Chicago: check Wikipedia, they know everything :)
[05:15] <nixternal> at least install KDict, it knows a lot as well
[05:33] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3930 kubuntu/Makefile: updated makefile - removed temp index build
[08:49] <mdke> morning
[02:41] <Admiral_Chicago> nixternal: sent you some work.
[04:50] <philbull> Hi guys
[04:50] <philbull> I'm looking at trunk/ubuntu/internet/C/internet.xml
[04:51] <philbull> It sets the following in the header: 'yelp:chunk-depth 2' and 'db.chunk.max_depth 2'
[04:52] <philbull> This causes anything below a sect1 to be linked rather than included with each sect1
[04:53] <philbull> It seems to have been put in to break up the 'Connecting to the Internet' section, but I'd like to remove it if possible and just rearrange that section
[04:53] <philbull> it makes reading the other sections a bit of a pain...
[04:54] <philbull> any thoughts on this>
[04:54] <philbull> ?
[05:35] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3931 kubuntu/getting-help/C/getting-help.xml: Freddy's patch
[05:36] <nixternal> Admiral_Chicago: why would I want to ignore the Bluetooth stuff?
[05:38] <Admiral_Chicago> not sure if it needed the <trademark>
[05:39] <Admiral_Chicago> thought it would but I wasn't 100%
[05:40] <Admiral_Chicago> hehe, getting another one ready for you
[05:40] <nixternal> bah, forget trademarks, we are breaking the law anyways by not trademarking Microsoft and Apple, so who cares :)
[05:40] <nixternal> /mnt or /media - nobody use /mnt anymore?
[05:41] <Admiral_Chicago> no
[05:42] <nixternal> us.archives suck
[05:42] <Admiral_Chicago> earlier in the doc, it said automounted partitions go to /media
[05:42] <Admiral_Chicago> i know.
[05:42] <Admiral_Chicago> fstab mounts automatically, therefore it goes to /media
[05:42] <nixternal> ok
[05:42] <nixternal> are you working on that? if not I will just autoreplace it right now
[05:43] <nixternal> are you telling me you are not finding a lot of typos and such?
[05:43] <Admiral_Chicago> i sent the patch about it, that was all that was needed that I saw
[05:43] <Admiral_Chicago> err while you slept
[05:43] <nixternal> you didn't send the hardware patch, it was a blank email with a lil text
[05:43] <Admiral_Chicago> wait, let me check that.
[05:43] <Admiral_Chicago> sending now.
[05:44] <Admiral_Chicago> haha, okay
[05:45] <nixternal> Admiral_Chicago: when are you going to be home?
[05:45] <nixternal> this weekend at all?
[05:45] <Admiral_Chicago> Saturday.
[05:45] <nixternal> what are you doing Saturday?
[05:46] <Admiral_Chicago> nothing that I know of
[05:46] <nixternal> I have those shirts if you want them
[05:46] <Admiral_Chicago> we are getting in no later than 3.
[05:47] <Admiral_Chicago> are we talking anything monetary because i'm broke as a joke
[05:48] <nixternal> NO
[05:48] <nixternal> FREEEEEEEEE
[05:48] <Admiral_Chicago> sweet!
[05:48] <nixternal> screw it, I wasted $50, so...
[05:49] <nixternal> I am done, the only way I will wear an Ubuntu shirt now, is if someone gives it to me
[05:49] <Admiral_Chicago> haha. aww.
[05:49] <nixternal> so, I will continue wearing my KDE one, PCLinuxOS, Debian, and Slackware t's :)
[05:50] <nixternal> my GPLv3 t-shirt got shredded last night by my dog
[05:50] <Admiral_Chicago> no way.
[05:50] <Admiral_Chicago> dude you have the worst luck ever
[05:50] <nixternal> hehe
[05:51] <nixternal> we were playing rough and he jumped up and grabbed the entire front of the shirt in his mouth
[05:51] <nixternal> 100lbs pitty can do that
[05:51] <Admiral_Chicago> okay i'll send you the patch I have now. I've got "school" to deal with
[05:51] <Admiral_Chicago> nixternal: i thought the first sentence refered to the -chicago talk
[05:51] <nixternal> same here, but not until later
[05:52] <nixternal> huh?
[05:52] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm like..."RJ did that"
[05:52] <nixternal> explain, I am not awake as of yet
[05:55] <Admiral_Chicago> gotta run
[06:25] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3932 kubuntu/hardware/C/hardware.xml: Freddy's patch
[06:26] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3933 kubuntu/network/C/network.xml: Freddy's patch
[07:00] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: philbull * r3934 ubuntu/desktop-effects/C/desktop-effects.xml: Update status
[07:01] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: philbull * r3935 ubuntu/games/C/games.xml: Update status
[09:19] <philbull> hi guys
[09:21] <philbull> could someone take a look at a patch for me?
[09:21] <philbull> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2007-March/008226.html
[09:55] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: philbull * r3936 ubuntu/musicvideophotos/C/musicvideophotos.xml: Restructure into topics, change layout
[11:33] <nalioth> howdy, how do i change this page? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs
[11:34] <nalioth> it is not "wrong", but it has the user go through a lot of extra stuff (enabling "extra" repos) than is necessary
[11:37] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: philbull * r3937 ubuntu/internet/C/internet.xml: Restructure into topics, amalgamate some sections, rename sections
[11:38] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: philbull * r3938 ubuntu/musicvideophotos/C/musicvideophotos.xml: Update ghelp link for changes in internet.xml
[11:40] <nalioth> all one needs to do if they are running dapper is open a console and type "sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh" <enter> and they'll get libdvdcss2
[11:40] <nalioth> i don't like the idea of "enabling extra repositories"
[11:41] <dsas> nalioth: that doesn't hold true on later releases does it?
[11:42] <dsas> nalioth: Can't you just edit the page?
[11:42] <nalioth> i said "on dapper" which is currently shipping via shipit, right?  it is still supported, yes?
[11:42] <nalioth> dsas: it's not a wiki page
[11:42] <nalioth> otw, i would have fixed it on the spot
[11:42] <dsas> *shrug* I have an edit button.
[11:43] <dsas> nalioth: Anything in the help.ubuntu.com/community namespace is a wikipage.
[11:43] <dsas> top left.
[11:44] <nalioth> ahhh 'please refrain from editing"
[11:45] <dsas> hmm, I can't see that?
[11:45] <nalioth> i do. you are editing it
[11:46] <dsas> *grin*, oh sorry ignore that. I was just checking.
[11:46] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: philbull * r3939 ubuntu/keeping-safe/C/keeping-safe.xml: Fix validity error
[11:49] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: philbull * r3940 ubuntu/games/C/games.xml: Fix validity error
[12:12] <nalioth> i didn't see "logged in as $name" so thought it wasn't a wiki . . . .
[12:12] <nalioth> thanks
[12:13] <dsas> nalioth: Not a problem
[12:13] <dsas> bah


[09:03] <BigWhale> Wouldn't it be nice if Unity/compiz remembered position and placement of windows? I know I can do that in CCSM, but per application option would really be awesome.
[22:12] <Laney> dobey: run-tests mentions the Affero GPL
[22:15] <dobey> it does? odd
[22:18] <Laney> :-)
[22:18] <dobey> not that it matters since nothing in it is actually defensible in court :)
[22:19] <Laney> well, indeed, i'm not going to block on it
[22:19] <Laney> you might want to fix it though
[22:19] <dobey> yeah, i will. thanks :)
[22:21] <Laney> dobey: I made these changes
[22:21] <Laney>   [ Iain Lane ]
[22:21] <Laney>   * rules: Move sequence name before parameters in dh call.
[22:21] <Laney>   * copyright; Add LGPL3 header
[22:21] <Laney>   * control: Remove obsolete XB-Python-Version
[22:21] <Laney> want to see a diff?
[22:21] <Laney> otherwise good to go imo
[22:22] <Laney> not that any archive admins will be reviewing for a while :P
[22:23] <dobey> thanks;
[22:23] <dobey> only one not quite clear to me is what you mean by "sequence name" in the rules file?
[22:23] <Laney> put $@ before --with
[22:24] <dobey> is it supposed to be called that way? i thought it was the other way round
[22:24] <Laney> I think higher compat levels enforce this
[22:25] <Laney> SYNOPSIS dh sequence [--with addon[,addon ...]] [--list] [debhelper options]
[22:26] <dobey> ah; i had seen it the other way somewhere, and thought it was correct. i'll remember that, thanks.
[22:27] <Laney> np
[22:29] <Laney> ok, doing
[22:35] <Laney> there we go
[22:36] <dobey> cheers! maybe i'll get lucky and someone will poke at the NEW list during the break :)


[02:49] <notKlaatu> anybody know what this kind of error might mean:  http://ubuntuone.com/0fUscV451225ulVILAFYqs
[02:50] <notKlaatu> "Could not locate object"
[02:50] <notKlaatu> after trying to publish a picture to the web on a brand new trial ubuntu one account.
[07:31] <mandel> morning all
[08:29] <JamesTait> Happy Friday, world!
[08:41] <matti> JamesTait: ;)
[08:42] <JamesTait> matti: o/
[08:53] <karni> Hi everyone!
[08:56] <matti> :)
[10:04] <gatox> hi
[10:05] <mandel> gatox, buenas!
[10:05] <gatox> mandel, how aree you?
[10:06] <mandel> gatox, what are you planning to do in your freaky friday?
[10:06] <mandel> gatox, good, in pain from rugby, but good :P
[10:07] <gatox> mandel, in the morning i'm going to keep working in the expand_user path actually.... and then after lunch, i'm going to work in a branch to use pyqt api2
[10:07] <mandel> gatox, cool, I'm trying to fix that same issue in python directyl :P
[10:08] <gatox> mandel, that would be even better! :P
[10:08] <mandel> gatox, I'll be sending a patch in a few mins to python that uses the correct C API to expanduser, and I already sent one to fix listdir when using \\?\
[10:08] <mandel> :D
[10:08] <gatox> groso!
[10:09] <mandel> gatox, who said that canonical did not contribute upstream ;)
[10:09] <gatox> mandel, :D
[10:10] <mandel> gatox, is amazing how slow is vs2008 compiling big pojects :(
[10:10] <mandel> gatox, I don't know how you would work with that..
[10:10] <gatox> mandel, which language?
[10:12] <gatox> mandel, i used to work with vs2010 in c++ in my previouus job..... and it literally disconnect me from internet and hung up my machine when it was compiling  because it use all the resouurces it seems :P (i wasn't the only one)
[10:13] <mandel> gatox, is C, I'm compiling python with all the extra libs to see if my changes work as expected..
[10:13] <mandel> gatox, so far vs2008 has chrashed twice
[10:13] <gatox> mandel, ahhh yep.... same situation
[10:14] <gatox> mandel, vs works fine..... if you use it for .net...... everything else is horrible!!
[10:15] <mandel> gatox, I do have good memories with it on .Net, but is ofcourse due to the way in which Intellisense works
[10:15] <gatox> mandel, the debugger is quite good too....... and i hate vs, so...... it's good jjeje
[10:16] <mandel> haha
[11:31] <nessita> hello crowd!
[11:32] <mandel> nessita, good morning and happy freaky friday ;)
[11:32] <nessita> mandel: hey there! I will do the reactor-import review soon
[11:33] <gatox> nessita, hi
[11:33] <mandel> nessita, no worries, atm for the freaky friday I'm trying to send patches to python itself for os.listdir (so it works with \\?\) and for the expanduser issue (unicode)
[11:33] <nessita> gatox: hi there!
[11:34] <mandel> nessita, so hopefully we can remove those hacks from our code :)
[11:35] <mandel> ok, the dog needs me, bbl
[11:35] <gatox> nessita, i'm finishing expand_user branch in the morning.... and then work on my freaky friday project :D
[11:35] <nessita> gatox: what would be your freaky friday project?
[11:37] <gatox> nessita, look how to migrate u1 to use pyqt api2.... so it will use python string instead of qstring, python object instead of qvariant and some other stuffs.... also it will be compatible with pyside api.... so with 4 lines of code we could change from pyqt to pyside and use any of that frameworks
[11:37] <nessita> gatox: nice!
[11:38] <gatox> nessita, it seems really interesting.... solve some problems
[11:38] <gatox> nessita, because the api2 is more compatible with python3
[11:38] <gatox> too
[11:52] <nessita> mandel: broken tests in reactor-import
[11:52] <nessita> mandel: plus a tiny change in a fake
[12:13] <nessita> gatox: added a comment on sso's network-detect
[12:13] <gatox> nessita, ok
[12:15] <nessita> gatox: also, tests are broken on windows, but I guess it was alecu's branch. I file bug #879407 assigned to him
[12:15] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 879407 in ubuntu-sso-client "Test failure after token name change (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/879407
[12:16] <nessita> brb, I need to run some quick errands
[12:16] <gatox> nessita, ok, i'll be check that  in a while
[12:25] <ralsina> morning!
[12:29] <gatox> ralsina, hi
[12:40] <mandel> nessita, ok, I'll take a look after lunch
[12:41] <mandel> ralsina, https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+question/175530
[12:43]  * mandel lunch
[12:54] <nessita> gatox: ping
[12:56] <ralsina> mandel: yes, so? :-)
[12:59]  * mandel back for stand up
[12:59] <ralsina> mandel, alecu, nessita, dobey, gatox: standup in 1'
[12:59] <ralsina> Don't say I don't give previous notice ;-)
[13:00] <nessita> gatox: in https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-windows-installer/connect-files/+merge/79611, did you fix the last lint warning I pasted? ( 41:  [E0611] No name 'tools' in module 'ubuntuone.platform' )?
[13:00] <mandel> me
[13:00] <nessita> me
[13:01] <nessita> ralsina: you forgot to give notice to yourelf :-P
[13:01] <nessita> gatox, alecu, dobey, ralsina?
[13:01] <ralsina> me
[13:02] <dobey> meh
[13:02] <nessita> mandel: go!
[13:02] <alecu> me
[13:02] <gatox> me
[13:03] <gatox> nessita, pong
[13:03] <nessita> mandel: can you go please?
[13:03] <mandel> http://bugs.python.org/issue13207
[13:03] <mandel> one sec
[13:04] <nessita> mandel: you can catch up at the end
[13:04] <nessita> DONE: 1-1 with ralsina, reviews (still lots pending!), monkey coder
[13:04] <nessita> TODO: magiciada, try to wrap up the epic branch. Almos there!
[13:04] <nessita> BLOCKED: nopes
[13:04] <nessita> NEXT: ralsina
[13:04] <ralsina> DONE: nessita 1-1, administrative stuff, started expense report, preparing for trip TODO: finish starting the resourcing, arrange missing 1-1s, finish expense report, more trip preparations, BLOCKED: feels like it, but no, NOTE: I will not work next week's thursday and friday (Disneyworld!)
[13:04] <ralsina> dobey!
[13:04] <dobey> λ DONE: commited banshee fix upstream, process e-mail
[13:04] <dobey> λ TODO: banshee/libu1 SRUs, hack day?
[13:04] <dobey> λ BLCK: No.
[13:04] <dobey> alecu
[13:04] <alecu> DONE: moved the office
[13:04] <alecu> TODO: work on proxy support design document
[13:04] <alecu> BLOCKED: no.
[13:04] <alecu> NOTE: all my body aches now..! I should exercise more often. Or move once a week.
[13:04] <alecu> NEXT: gatox
[13:04] <gatox> DONE:
[13:04] <gatox> Some branch fixing. Improves in expand user.
[13:04] <gatox> TODO:
[13:04] <gatox> Finish expand user, work on freaky friday project
[13:04] <gatox> BLOCKED:
[13:04] <gatox> No
[13:04] <gatox> mandel, go
[13:05] <mandel> DONE: sent patch for http://bugs.python.org/issue13234 and written patch for http://bugs.python.org/issue13207.  TODO: 1 on 1 with ralsina. Fix mp for fix-reactor-import branch following nessitas review. Propose. Edge of delete password to pykeyring upstream. BLOCK: no
[13:05] <nessita> gatox: got my message for the pong?
[13:05] <gatox> nessita, yep
[13:05] <nessita> gatox: great!
[13:05] <nessita> gatox: have an answer? lint is complaining about that for me
[13:06] <nessita> comments? eom?
[13:06] <gatox> nessita, ahhh i forgot to disabled to the lint issue about tools....
[13:06] <gatox> nessita, doing it right now
[13:06] <nessita> gatox: ack
[13:07] <mandel> DONE: sent patch for http://bugs.python.org/issue13234 and written patch for http://bugs.python.org/issue13207.  TODO: 1 on 1 with ralsina. Fix mp for fix-reactor-import branch following nessitas review. Propose. Edge of delete password to pykeyring upstream. BLOCK: no
[13:07] <nessita> mandel: we got it the first time....
[13:07] <mandel> did you guys get my last message?
[13:07] <ralsina> mandel: both messages today :-)
[13:07] <nessita> mandel: yeap, twice :-)
[13:08]  * mandel hates irc at times..
[13:08] <nessita> mandel: you mean IRC in your mobile?
[13:08] <nessita> :-P
[13:08] <mandel> ralsina, can we have the 1on1 in 30 mins?
[13:08] <ralsina> mandel: sure!
[13:09] <gatox> mandel, cool about the proposal to python! :D
[13:15] <ralsina> mandel, if you are trying to tell me something somewhere in IRC, I am *not* seing it. Just ping me after lunch ok ;-)
[13:15] <gatox> nessita, done
[13:19] <mandel> ralsina, ok..
[13:19] <mandel> I'll ping ASAP... mierda de irc
[13:29] <nessita> alecu: ping
[13:30] <alecu> nessita, pong
[13:30] <nessita> alecu: hi there! I think this new test failure from sso in windows has been added from your latest branch: bug #879407
[13:30] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 879407 in ubuntu-sso-client "Test failure after token name change (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/879407
[13:37] <mandel> nessita, e
[13:37] <mandel> nessita, I meant to say yes.. stupid finger
[13:38] <nessita> mandel: yes to what? :-) I'm lost
[13:38] <mandel> nessita, nothing, I think that I'm not a human being between 2 and 3 pm..
[13:39] <mandel> nessita, ralsina, dobey, alecu, gatox would it be a huge PITA if we moved the standup 30 mins?
[13:39] <alecu> mandel, earlier?
[13:39] <mandel> later, since it would be better for you
[13:39] <alecu> mandel, \o/
[13:39] <gatox> mandel, no problem for  me....
[13:39] <nessita> +1 for me, but may be too early for dobey
[13:40] <mandel> I'm trying to have lunch for free (mum cooking) and I'm failing to do the stand up at the same time
[13:40] <ralsina> +1
[13:40] <mandel> nessita, I meant later, so it should be better for dobey, right?
[13:40] <ralsina> if it's to may your mommy happy, agreed
[13:40] <dobey> later
[13:41] <mandel> hurray!!!
[13:41] <mandel> ralsina, is mainly for my wallet and my stomach, my mother does not care :P
[13:42] <mandel> ralsina, 1 on 1, mumble?
[13:42] <ralsina> mandel: in 1'
[13:44] <dobey> native american flute lullabies is probably not the best hacking music
[13:45] <nessita> dobey: would you have a couple of mins to see a backtrace and see if you know what's going on? is gi related
[13:45] <dobey> sure
[13:45] <nessita> generating...
[13:46] <nessita> dobey: I'm think is related to ssl... if that is even possible
[13:46] <dobey> is it coming from u1trial?
[13:46] <nessita> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/715127/
[13:46] <nessita> dobey: nopes, when running syncdaemon in a branch of mine
[13:47] <nessita> dobey: I made some refactoring, and the syncdaemon is working perfectly on windows. The whole test suite is fully green on both OSs
[13:47] <nessita> dobey: but syncdaemon gets that trace when transitioning to CHECK_VERSION
[13:47] <nessita> dobey: if I never connect the syncdaemon, I don't get the trace
[13:47] <dobey> it has nothing to do with ssl
[13:48] <nessita> dobey: ok... any clues?
[13:49] <dobey> it seems Notify is being imported from gi, after pynotify has already been imported
[13:50] <nessita> dobey: the trace is making syncdaemon completely die, it does not even respond to CTRL-C.... does that concur with your theory?
[13:50] <dobey> is there some way in python to see exactly when things get imported?
[13:51] <nessita> dobey: not that I know of, but I never really looked
[13:51] <dobey> nessita: well, gi + static bindings can cause lots of problems, but the freeze could be unrelated
[13:52] <nessita> dobey: so, in ubuntuone/platform/linux/notification.py (code I never touched in this branch) has the conditional import for Notify
[13:52] <dobey> yes
[13:53] <nessita> I can't see how that can be importing the same from 2 different sources
[13:53] <nessita> and grepping gives no other Notify import
[13:53] <dobey> nessita: something is probably importing notification, then importing launcher, then notification gets imported again
[13:54] <nessita> dobey: so, a quick test would be to comment out one of the branches of the import. IN natty I can try using only the Nofity from pynotify, right?
[13:55] <nessita> dobey: indeed, that solved the freeze
[13:55] <dobey> nessita: well, the gi import will never work, until twisted is fixed and we switch reactors
[13:55] <nessita> dobey: right
[13:56] <nessita> it works now!!!
[13:56] <nessita> now I have to see how I can solve this
[13:58] <dobey> and this is also why we don't have a progress bar on launcher in oneiric
[13:58] <nessita> dobey: any suggestion, before I start doing wild guesses and tests? :-)
[14:00] <dobey> trace the import of ubuntuone.platform.notification up until you find some reason it would be imported multiple times (probably something getting imported within a function)
[14:01] <nessita> dobey: multiple imports is "easy".... if you import from  ubuntuone.platform.notification import Notify you get one import, and import ubuntuone.platform.notification gets you another
[14:02] <nessita> dobey: I mean, importing the same module but using different "ways" ("paths") will make the module be imported several times (and not reused)
[14:02] <nessita> dobey: I'll track this down, thanks!!!
[14:02] <dobey> nessita: right grep notification|grep import
[14:02] <nessita> yeap
[14:02] <nessita> alecu: great news!
[14:02] <nessita> alecu: btw, did you see my ping question?
[14:05] <alecu> nessita, great news?
[14:05] <nessita> alecu: my branch is 30 minutes away to be ready :-)
[14:05] <nessita> alecu: is working almost perfectly on both OSs...
[14:05]  * alecu books the afternoon for a review.
[14:06] <nessita> alecu: I saw you disconnected, did you happen to see my comment re: a test failure in windows sso?
[14:06] <alecu> nessita, yes, I saw it, and I've been trying to resurrect my windows vm, because it seems to be damaged
[14:07] <nessita> alecu: I can help debugging if you need
[14:07] <alecu> nessita, so now I'm setting up the desktop computer that's disassembled in the middle of the living room
[14:07] <nessita> heh
[14:07] <nessita> good luck
[14:07] <alecu> (with the other thousand bags of crap from the move)
[14:08] <alecu> nessita, so, as soon as I have a working vm I'll test it, to see what I broke.
[14:09] <nessita> alecu: no rush, just wanted the ack
[14:31] <nessita> alecu: quick question, does a call to bus.request_name() starts the service?
[14:31] <nessita> the service under the name being requested
[14:33] <alecu> nessita, I usually do bus.get_object(), and that surely starts the service if not started.
[14:33] <nessita> alecu: right, I'm trying to *not* start the service
[14:33] <alecu> nessita, why?
[14:33] <nessita> alecu: so I was wondering if request_name starts it or not.... I'm finding 2 implementations for is_running()
[14:34] <nessita> alecu: in linux, we have 2 different implementations (is_already_running and is_running)
[14:34] <nessita> alecu: in windows, we have 2 definitions of those methods, the former is implemented, the latter is not!
[14:35] <nessita> alecu: so, SDTool is using the latter, and ergo, in windows we certainly start serveral instances of syncdaemon
[14:35] <nessita> several
[14:35] <ralsina> nessita: this user is complaining ob things "not uploading" https://launchpadlibrarian.net/83394886/syncdaemon.log.report My current guess is "he added a whole lot of files at once (queue at 70K) and they are hidden files (.cache.noindex/whatever) and that's why he's not seeing uploads yet". OTOH, he says it keeps changing from "syncing" to "disconnected"
[14:35] <dobey> nessita: request_name() will either tell you the name is already taken, or give you ownership of it, iirc
[14:35] <nessita> alecu: I'm trying to have only one implementation for each OS, and ideally, the correct one :-)
[14:36] <nessita> dobey: hum...
[14:38] <nessita> dobey: in u1client we have these 2 ways of checking is u1client is running http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/715154/
[14:38] <nessita> bin/ubuntuone-syncdaemon uses the first one
[14:38] <nessita> SyncDaemonTool uses the second
[14:38] <nessita> we're clearly failing on windows to check, from SDTool, if sd is running, so we're starting it multiple times
[14:40] <dobey> nessita: is_running seems wrong. should just change everything to use the is_already_running() method
[14:41] <nessita> dobey: I concur. But we need to be certain that is_already_running will not start SD if not running
[14:42] <dobey> nessita: it shouldn't, but is easy to test. shut everything down, and call it from python shell
[14:42] <nessita> dobey: you're so clever! and always making *me* work :-D
[14:42] <dobey> nessita: but i'm pretty certain it doesn't
[14:43] <nessita> dobey: I guess so, otherwise we would be starting u1 in current releases
[14:43] <dobey> nessita: dbus.bus.NAME_FLAG_DO_NOT_QUEUE means "don't give the name to me if it doesn't exist" iirc
[14:43] <nessita> nice, testing IRL now
[14:44] <nessita> dobey: confirmed what you said
[14:44] <nessita> ok, sticking to is_already_running
[14:45] <nessita> alecu: just FYI for when you review the branch ^
[14:56] <nessita> ralsina: sorry, I think I missed a ping from you
[14:57] <nessita> ralsina: what bug report is that?
[14:58] <dobey> nessita, ralsina: as well he shouldn't be syncing files, being offline and all
[14:58] <dobey> 2011-10-21 15:14:37,435 - ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.InteractionInterfaces - DEBUG - emitting state changed: SET_CAPABILITIES (error=False connected=True online=False)  Queue: WORKING  Connection: With User With Network
[14:59] <ralsina> how can he be offline with network?
[14:59] <dobey> ralsina: ^^ he's probably constantly getting connection dropped from server as some people apparently still are
[14:59] <ralsina> dobey: makes sense
[14:59] <alecu> nessita, so, are you adding the clean up for the activation functions to your megabranch too?
[15:00] <nessita> alecu: yeah! is definitely part of the refactor (quit and start are unified now between OSs)
[15:01] <alecu> nessita, so, are you keeping is_already_running and ditching is_running?
[15:01] <nessita> alecu: yes sir
[15:01] <alecu> great
[15:01] <nessita> alecu: we should no longer have 2 syncdqaemon instances on windows (which we could easily have now)
[15:03] <alecu> nessita, cool
[15:03]  * mandel wonders wich OS is most used in japan.. can't be windows
[15:03] <nessita> dobey: question, why did pitti added the conditional imports for loading from gi if none of our twisted code works with gi?
[15:05] <dobey> nessita: because before the switch to the new gobject which broke the gi+static stuff, our stuff did work
[15:06] <dobey> nessita: the conditional isn't the problem you're hitting though. it just exposes the problem :)
[15:07] <nessita> dobey: gah
[15:08] <dobey> nessita: since it happens only in your branch, and not in oneiric proper, perhaps something you change, altered the timing of some imports, causing the issue?
[15:10] <nessita> dobey: yes, for sure
[15:10] <nessita> dobey: I've cleaned up a lot of code, among those, import clauses
[15:10] <nessita> dobey: I'm trying to find the cleaner solution for this, now
[15:11] <nessita> to do so I was trying to understand why we need the conditional import (besides looking for the "double" import, which so far I can't find)
[15:11] <dobey> nessita: we'll probably need the conditional to support both old and new Ubuntus, going forward
[15:12] <nessita> dobey: right, but right now we support nothing "new" since twisted will not work
[15:14] <dobey> nessita: but we have to fix that. and we do support it (on 11.04 at least, where it still works right)
[15:18] <dobey> nessita: and we don't want to have it break when we do get twisted fixed
[15:18] <nessita> dobey: right
[15:19] <dobey> nessita: did you move some imports into the functions that use stuff from them?
[15:20] <nessita> dobey: not really... but I think I found it
[15:21] <dobey> ok. i'm going to get lunch :)
[15:21] <dobey> bbiab
[15:21] <nessita> dobey: thanks!!!
[15:52] <mandel> nessita, https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntuone-windows-installer/fix-reactor-import/+merge/79842 is ready for re-review, I update the tests in main since they did not make sense any longer and wrote tests for
[15:52] <mandel> succes and error_cb
[15:52] <mandel> gatox, ping
[15:53] <gatox> mandel, pong
[15:53] <mandel> gatox, did you mentioned the bug about your evil username?
[15:53] <gatox> mandel, yep
[15:53] <mandel> gatox, cool
[15:54] <gatox> mandel, no..... not so cool
[15:54] <gatox> jejej
[15:55] <mandel> gatox, well, you know, cool that you found it
[15:55] <gatox> jeje
[16:00]  * mandel hates haveing to write ctypes code..
[16:09] <alecu> nessita, a fix for the broken test: https://code.launchpad.net/~alecu/ubuntu-sso-client/fix-test-appname/+merge/80084
[16:10] <nessita> alecu: looking!
[16:10] <alecu> and everybody else: trivialish review above
[16:13] <mandel> alecu, I hate when people use '' and "" in the same line ;)
[16:17] <Chipaca> mandel: what about people who use " and """ on the same line?
[16:17] <Chipaca> mandel: "like this"""
[16:19] <mandel> Chipaca, that I don't mind as much, is always the same char :)
[16:23] <mandel> nessita, FYI I have just updated https://bitbucket.org/mandel/pykeyring-delete-password/overview to use the same code as the trunk from pykeyring, I'll be proposing it for merge so that we can depend on trunk and not that fork
[16:25] <nessita> mandel: great news!
[16:25] <gatox> lunch..... i'm starving....... brb!
[16:41] <nessita> alecu: approved
[16:41] <mandel> ok, EOD for me have a great weekend
[16:42] <mandel> nessita, if you give a +1 to https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntuone-windows-installer/fix-reactor-import/+merge/79842 feel free to add the aproval since is a critical bug
[16:42] <nessita> mandel: ack
[16:43] <mandel> everyone, adios!
[16:43] <nessita> bye mandel
[17:18] <nessita> alecu: branch proposed! https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntuone-client/u1sdtool-multiplatform/+merge/80088
[17:18] <nessita> no alecu? oh
[17:18] <nessita> lunchtime then
[17:34] <rye> duanedesign, i have an idea
[17:34] <rye> duanedesign, that's not gnome 3 issue
[17:34] <duanedesign> oh really
[17:35] <rye> duanedesign, that's gnome-keyring-daemon erroring-out with unrelated error and sso or anything else simply fallbacks to the code that queries the old interface and therefore failing
[17:35] <rye> we need to get the original exception
[17:35] <rye> duanedesign, i will be back in 30 minutes and will start poking the gnome-keyring-daemon
[17:36] <rye> duanedesign, we may get some info out of user's .xsession-errors, searching for e.g. keyring
[17:37] <duanedesign> great thank again sir
[17:38] <rye> duanedesign, i will create updated sso package and we'll ask the users to test
[17:40] <nessita> alecu: hey there!
[17:40] <nessita> alecu: the branch is now proposed at https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntuone-client/u1sdtool-multiplatform/+merge/80088
[17:40] <alecu> nessita, nice!
[17:41] <nessita> alecu: I reported most of the bug things I fixed, and linked the bugs to it
[17:41] <nessita> alecu: you can start looking at it, I will write some guide notes in the MP itself
[17:42] <alecu> nessita, 22498 lines (+6824/-12688) 32 files modified!!!!!
[17:42] <nessita> alecu: that's a lit
[17:42] <nessita> lie*
[17:42] <alecu> I love that it removes a lot more than it adds :-)
[17:43] <nessita> alecu: you will *love* how stdool implementation turned out
[17:43] <nessita> alecu: 90% of the code is shared multiplatform
[17:44] <nessita> alecu: and the ipc interfaces are modified so is trivial replacing them with something better (a generator maybe)
[17:44] <nessita> and I removed tons of mocker tests, adding regular tests instead
[17:44] <alecu> ultra-mega-cool
[17:51] <ralsina> congratulations on the branch nessita
[17:52] <nessita> ralsina: thanks! some weird issues will be fixed from now on
[17:52] <ralsina> yeah, quick scan, I like much more the green parts than the red ones! ;-)
[17:53] <dobey> the red parts are more fun
[17:53] <nessita> ralsina, alecu: I made some heavy testing on both OSes, but anyways, once landed, we need to test it a lot before releasing
[17:53] <nessita> always
[17:54]  * ralsina thinks dobey is thinking of budapest or something like that, and backs away slowly
[17:55] <dobey> lol
[18:01] <nessita> alecu: commit message added, and some detailed description as well (mainly to run u1sdtool)
[18:14] <nessita> dobey: I will make the windows stable branch next week, I want to play a bit with magicicada now :-)
[18:16] <dobey> heh
[19:12] <alecu> nessita, I did a first part of the review, and added some notes.
[19:12]  * alecu needs to run some errands now
[19:13] <nessita> alecu: looking!
[19:41] <gatox> EOD for me.... see you on monday
[21:14] <dobey> have a good weekend all!
[21:27] <nessita> ok, I'm done
[21:27] <nessita> (for the day and the week)


[07:13] <coolbhavi> ajmitch, hey
[07:23] <ajmitch> hi
[07:26] <coolbhavi> meeting in half hour
[07:26] <coolbhavi> today
[07:26] <coolbhavi> wendar, hey around?
[07:26] <ajmitch> I know :)
[07:27] <coolbhavi> :)
[17:03] <coolbhavi> hey quadrispro :-)
[17:04] <quadrispro> hi coolbhavi
[17:04] <quadrispro> hi all
[17:04] <coolbhavi> :-) so how has it been?
[17:07] <coolbhavi> quadrispro, btw I sent the minutes of todays meeting
[17:15] <quadrispro> yes, I read it
[17:16] <quadrispro> nothing of special, just a quick meeting :)
[17:16] <quadrispro> I'm going through some reviews, hope to turn pyanonmail into a good shape soon
[17:19] <coolbhavi> :-)


[22:50] <in1t3r> guys anyone experienced with making a debootstrap on debian or ubuntu for compiling armel or armhf?
[22:51] <in1t3r> I have a problem with setting up debootstrap for compiling armel on debian amd64
[22:53] <in1t3r> I get an error for mount chroot: failed to run command 'mount': No such file or directory
[22:54] <in1t3r> http://dpaste.com/0SDRCDG
[22:54] <in1t3r> basically is this a debootstrap script issue?
[22:54] <in1t3r> It looks like that to me I'll try to edit it


[12:57] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:25] <ahoneybun[m]> Heyo BluesKaj
[13:26] <BluesKaj> hey ahoneybun[m]
[13:31] <ahoneybun[m]> mmikowski: I'm looking at laptops but don't really need anything lol
[16:08] <mmikowski> Yeah, I didn't think so Aaron ;)
[16:44] <ahoneybun[m]> Plus I'm not really doing much that requires a new system lol
[16:44] <ahoneybun[m]> I do want to replace the Galago Pro with something but not sure if I really need it. The Pinebook Pro is pretty sweet.
[17:33] <arraybolt3> ahoneybun[m]: You're going to replace a powerful Intel-based laptop with a weak ARM-based laptop?
[17:33] <arraybolt3> ahoneybun[m]: Also you're not going to believe this, but based on the picture I'm seeing, the system76 Galaga Pro is essentially a Kubuntu Focus XE.
 "ahoneybun: You're going to..." <- I like messing with ARM stuff and maybe RISC in the future.
 "ahoneybun: Also you're not going..." <- Not my Galago Pro.
[17:47] <arraybolt3> Ah.
[17:50] <ahoneybun[m]> It's more like the galp5/galp6, it's based on the same Clevo model.
 ahoneybun[m] clivejo: We would certainly be interested in setting you up with a Focus. The newer laptops are looking nice. We have considered adding scotch-guard as an option :P  <- I'm not a Kubuntu member or devel any more.  I know Rik got one and tried drowning it, hence the jibes at him!
[18:29] <mmikowski> Haha, no worries clivejo, I figured as much. I don't know to many here (although I do know Honeycutt from s76 and Kubuntu) so I thought I'd toss that out there. What do you work on?
[18:30] <clivejo> Transitioning at the moment
[18:31] <clivejo> Solus -> SerpentOS
[18:33] <clivejo> Currently on Lunar until an installation iso is ready
[19:29] <mmikowski> clivejo: Ah, I need to look into that.
[19:31] <mmikowski> ok, looked into that :)
[19:33] <mmikowski> BTW, we spent a LOT of time looking into shipping kubuntu 22.04 LTS with btrfs, and did lots of testing. In the end, did not do it, mostly for non-technical reasons.
[19:34] <mmikowski> But definitely a fan of rollback and atomic changes and much of the other stuff they are pursuing.
[19:50] <mmikowski> clivejo: Getting packages to install and configure to hardware is quite a challenge, and one which Serpent appears to be taking on.
[19:51] <clivejo> yeah I know, I loved the way Solus did things.  Delta package updates, nice logical packaging
[19:51] <mmikowski> It's definitely a lot of work, which is not just a one-time thing, but requires constant maintenance. For example, what kernel supports my hardware, and will the upcoming security release have a regression, how does the system recognize that and propagate that knowledge to others.
[19:52] <mmikowski> Tuxedo have Tomte; Kfocus has kfocus-hw.
[19:52] <mmikowski> Also focusrx.
[19:52] <clivejo> where are those kept?
[19:53] <mmikowski> that doesn't cover everything, but lots of work (and continued maintenance) have been poured into those.
[19:53] <clivejo> kubuntu packaging?
[19:53] <mmikowski> kfocus-source.
[19:53] <clivejo> ppa?
[19:54] <mmikowski> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kfocus-team/release
[19:54] <mmikowski> kfocus-source on github.
[19:54] <clivejo> found it
[19:54] <mmikowski> there are hw profiles implemented, including some esoteric stuff.
[19:55] <mmikowski> Like, when you install on a device with a QHD monitor, the scale factor for KDE by default increases to 1.5.
[19:55] <clivejo> I see
[19:56] <clivejo> shouldn't you be snapping all that :P
[19:56] <mmikowski> This requires work to maintain, including testing of that feature on every KDE release to ensure it continues to be supported.
[19:56] <mmikowski> Which we do.
[19:57] <mmikowski> We have substantial protocols to ensure all that stuff gets accomplished on every major Driver/ Kernel / Desktop upgrade.
[19:57] <mmikowski> It also has to work across all supported hardware. It's a lot of work. However, the goal is to be mac-like stable but with linux-like capability.
[19:58] <mmikowski> bwhaha, snaps, ... :P
[19:59] <mmikowski> Of course we provide Kubuntu, so the snaps remain. No offense to them, they definitely have their place.
[19:59] <clivejo> horror show!
[20:00] <mmikowski> I can see that perspective.
[20:00] <mmikowski> OTOH, installing this server was a snap, and it worked mostly quickly and painlessly.
[20:01] <mmikowski> But UI systems have certainly been a challenge.
[20:01] <clivejo> the firefox snap done my head in!
[20:01] <mmikowski> Like tying into a password manager on Firefox, or integrating a password manager; getting all that ..
[20:01] <clivejo> nuked the entire thing in the end
[20:02] <mmikowski> put together is a *lot* of trouble.
[20:02] <mmikowski> At some point, one has to stop abstracting the execution environments and run the code.
[20:02] <mmikowski> The art is figuring out where that needs to be.
[20:03] <mmikowski> I think some can strongly and persuasively answer that for a lot of desktop apps, running them in a containerized system may cause more trouble that it solves.
[20:03] <clivejo> seems to be the art of forcing it on users, whether they like it or not
[20:04] <mmikowski> OTOH, for 'TheLounge' snap was a real convenience.
[20:04] <mmikowski> Yeah, I know.
[20:04] <clivejo> that is why I formatted Windows off my machine a decade or more ago!
[20:04] <mmikowski> yeah, that too :)
[20:04] <mmikowski> One can never be 100% aligned with their allies. There will always be differences.
[20:05] <mmikowski> We run stock Kubuntu with tools on top, so it's not our place to question those decisions.
[20:05] <clivejo> when is lunar release date?
[20:05] <mmikowski> Oh, I can't help with that :)
[20:06] <mmikowski> My responsibility is with Kubuntu Focus management, not interim Kubuntu itself; that's Rik's call.
[20:06] <clivejo> 20th
[20:07] <mmikowski> The reason I'm not following is because we ship only LTS. 9 month support isn't good enough for companies that need research workstations.
[20:07] <clivejo> no bother
[20:09] <mmikowski> well it's nice meeting you. I'm actually working on a hardware profile right now.
[20:09] <mmikowski> fwiw, I'm almost certain that Tomte is also open source.
[20:11] <clivejo> is the nvidia driver open source?
[20:15] <mmikowski> clivejo: We don't currently validate the OSS driver version, as features our customers use are not always supported.
[20:15] <mmikowski> Specifically, ML libraries.
[20:15] <mmikowski> As the OSS libs mature, however, more of that is slated to move to OSS, and that may eventually supplant the closed-source libs.
[20:16] <mmikowski> FWIW, maintaining and pinning all the libs to support ML AND Steam is a real PITA.
[20:16] <mmikowski> All while using all-stock Ubuntu and Nvidia packages and repos.
[20:17] <mmikowski> Installing kfocus-nvidia does that.