 I guess I'll try and update to it, then.
[00:42] <Nightrose> Riddell: big dog? or a puppy?
[00:43] <Riddell> mhb: that's not my exact words :)
[00:43] <Riddell> I've also not tried updating at all
[00:44] <Riddell> it broke my wifi is about the worst thing for me
[00:44] <Riddell> Nightrose: neither
[00:44] <mhb> Riddell: my wifi unfortunately never worked out of the box
[00:44] <Riddell> nothing to lose then :)
[00:45] <mhb> right...
[00:45]  * mhb reboots
[00:45]  * Riddell snoozes
[00:45] <Nightrose> good night Riddell
[00:46] <Xand3r> Nightrose: did apachelogger says anything about he is right now?
[00:47] <Nightrose> he is busy right now :P
[00:47] <Nightrose> what do you need?
[00:50] <Xand3r> information why pbuilder says the packages wich he has to install are virtual, they arent virtual, but if he dont installs them i dont know the complet depends and i cant finisch my work
[00:50] <apachelogger> you may show me the log!
[00:51] <apachelogger> although I am now going downstairs to get myself a whiskey
[00:51] <apachelogger> brb
[00:51] <Riddell> ahem
[00:52] <Riddell> only properly spelt whisky allowed in this channel
[00:53] <Xand3r> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23619/
[00:53] <Xand3r> sorry for asking
[00:53] <apachelogger> omg
[00:53]  * apachelogger kicks that e and blames the beer he had earlier
[00:55] <m1ts4r10n4s> so only scotch drinkers here? :)
[00:57] <mhb> any progress on the configuration tools?
[00:57] <mhb> for Kubuntu
[00:58] <mhb> or is everyone too excited about KDE4 to care
[00:59] <apachelogger> Xand3r: plz throw over the packaging, so I can try
[00:59] <apachelogger> mhb: configuration tools?
[00:59] <Xand3r> apachelogger: ?
[01:00] <apachelogger> Xand3r: send me the source packaging
[01:00] <Xand3r> kk
[01:01] <mhb> apachelogger: yes
[01:01] <apachelogger> well, apparently I am too excited about KDE 4 ;-)
[01:02] <apachelogger> mhb: configuration tools as in a replacement for guidance?
[01:02] <mhb> right
[01:03] <mhb> configuration tools as in "our tools suck, but no developer ever cared enough to do anything about it"
[01:03]  * apachelogger would, if he had a clue about python :|
[01:03] <mhb> right
[01:04] <mhb> I meant what we discussed during UDS, mostly
[01:04] <apachelogger> well, master Riddell will know
[01:05] <Xand3r> apachelogger: is on the way
[01:09] <apachelogger> Xand3r: .orig missing
[01:09] <Xand3r> ?!
[01:11] <Xand3r> apachelogger: is away
[01:13] <apachelogger> Xand3r: are you sure your pbuilder is intrepidish and not hardyish?
[01:14] <Xand3r> intrepid
[01:14] <apachelogger> Xand3r: it doesn't give that message for me
[01:14] <apachelogger> Xand3r: sudo pbuilder create
[01:14] <apachelogger> mayb eit helps
[01:15] <apachelogger> *maybe it
[01:16] <Xand3r> if i make pbuilder creat he wants to creat an hardy
[01:17] <JontheEchidna> Damn, kdebase has a lot of ancient bugs
[01:17] <JontheEchidna> in LP
[01:20] <apachelogger> Xand3r: then change your .pbuilderrc
[01:22] <Xand3r> ~/.pbuilderrc not exist
[01:22] <apachelogger> dood
[01:22] <apachelogger> Xand3r: cp /etc/pbuilderrc ~/.pbuilderrc
[01:33] <Xand3r> apachelogger: again the same
[01:35] <apachelogger> Xand3r: run pbuilder update and paste the output
[01:42] <Xand3r> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23624/
[01:44] <apachelogger> Xand3r: you are missing universe
[01:44] <Xand3r> ups
[01:45] <Xand3r> how can i add this
[01:45] <apachelogger> in pbuilderrc
[01:45] <apachelogger> .pbuilderrc
[01:45] <Xand3r> ? how, i cant see here main
[01:46] <apachelogger> Xand3r: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23625/
[01:46] <apachelogger> line22
[01:49] <Xand3r> thx
[01:49] <Xand3r> added
[01:49] <apachelogger> run update
[01:49] <Xand3r> now making update
[01:49] <apachelogger> then it should work
[01:49] <Xand3r> ok thx
[01:55] <Xand3r> same error
[01:55] <apachelogger> *thumbs up*
[01:55] <apachelogger> impossible
[01:55] <apachelogger> Xand3r: plz paste the output of update
[01:56] <Xand3r> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23628/
[01:56] <apachelogger> Get:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com intrepid Release.gpg [189B]
[01:56] <apachelogger> Get:2 http://archive.ubuntu.com intrepid Release [65.9kB]
[01:56] <apachelogger> Get:3 http://archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/main Packages [1238kB]
[01:56] <apachelogger> Fetched 1304kB in 1min19s (16.4kB/s)
[01:56] <apachelogger> mmmm
[01:57] <apachelogger> Xand3r: update --override-config
[01:57] <apachelogger> or something like that
[01:58] <Xand3r> *thumbs up*
[01:58] <Xand3r> it works
[02:02] <Xand3r> i it possible to have pbuilder un compressed?
[02:02] <apachelogger> hm
[02:02] <apachelogger> I told you 2 times already :P
[02:02] <apachelogger> Xand3r: sudo pbuilder login
[02:03] <apachelogger> unpacks the chroot and drops you in
[02:03] <apachelogger> you also get the path where the chroot is, so you can throw your sources in
[02:04] <Xand3r> no i want that the base is uncompressed all time, cause it takes much time compressing and decompressing
[02:05] <apachelogger> dunno
[02:05] <apachelogger> probably possible somehow
[02:05] <apachelogger> Xand3r: still you need a clean tree for every build
[02:05] <apachelogger> so you need a new uncompressed version everytime eitherway
[02:06] <Xand3r> hmm
[02:17] <Xand3r> i am tired
[02:17] <Xand3r> tomorrow i will finish it
[02:17] <Xand3r> gn8
[03:13]  * yuriy cheers on JontheEchidna
[04:29] <asobi> backports for gutsy only seems to include firefox 3 beta4. any plans to update to full release?
[06:58] <dAsKrEEcH> mhb: KDE4 is all about the clocks!
[09:12] <mouz> Xand3r, apachelogger: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MouzMouz/PermanentPbuilderChroot
[09:13] <jpds> mhb!
[09:14] <mhb> jpds: hi
[09:15] <jpds> how's it going? :)
[09:16] <mhb> quite well, thank you
[09:16] <mhb> jpds: what about you?
[09:16] <mhb> jpds: have you managed to do anything major for intrepid yet?
[09:18] <jpds> mhb: No, unfortunatly...
[09:20] <mhb> jpds: too bad :o)
[09:20] <mhb> kubuntu needs active people, otherwise we're going to rot...
[09:20] <mhb> well, s/we're/it's/
[09:20] <mhb> it's not me anymore, after all :o)
[09:23] <jpds> mhb: Well, I'm hard-disk less, which makes things difficult...
[09:29] <mhb> do you have any tips on how to "fix" a lag in irssi? Once in a while, it starts saying there's lag and disconnects after the 300s ... but the connection works fine
[09:31] <jpds> mhb: Do you have anything taking up much bandwidth? ("lsof +M -i" should show) - my lag is usually caused by other programs taking all the resources.
[09:32] <mhb> jpds: hmm, no, it shows just IRC.
[09:33] <jpds> hmm, prehaps trying a different Freenode server? (closer by?)
[09:35] <jpds> mhb: "/links" gives a list of them.
[09:38] <mhb> jpds: thanks
[09:41] <mhb> jpds: I must say I still don't feel ready to work on Kubuntu again
[09:42] <mhb> all that stuff I can't agree with (PackageKit, KDE4 all about some plasmoids, shipping apps just because they're KDE, even when they're inferior and crashy)
[09:42]  * jpds just needs a break for a while.
[10:13] <toma> mhb: that sounds depressing
[10:13] <mhb> toma: not really, it's just opinions
[10:14] <toma> mhb: sure, so you are working on other stuff now?
[10:14] <mhb> not yet (had to finish my exams) but I hope to do some work during the summer
[10:15] <toma> ok
[11:37] <Xand3r> morning
[11:41] <apachelogger> mhb: sweeeeet
[11:41] <apachelogger> Xand3r: hoy
[11:41] <apachelogger> Xand3r: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MouzMouz/PermanentPbuilderChroot say thank you to mhb
[11:41] <Nightrose> apachelogger: i think you mean mouz ;-)
[11:41] <Nightrose> 'lo Xand3r
[11:41] <apachelogger> indeed
[11:41]  * apachelogger can't ready today
[11:41] <Nightrose> ;-)
[11:41] <apachelogger> Xand3r: say thank you to mouz
[11:42] <Xand3r> thanks mouz
[11:42] <apachelogger> I just fell out of bad
[11:42] <Xand3r> apachelogger: i wondering how you can be awake
[11:43] <apachelogger> well
[11:43] <apachelogger> I thought about not going to bed at all
[11:43] <apachelogger> anywho
[11:43] <Xand3r> uff
[11:43] <apachelogger> Nightrose: got a coffee for me?
[11:44]  * Nightrose hands apachelogger a cup of black coffee
[11:44] <Xand3r> apachelogger: slowly i get all depends
[11:44] <apachelogger> Nightrose: merci
[11:49] <smarter> hey there
[11:51] <Xand3r> hi
[11:52] <Xand3r> urg undeclared name in src/Window.h:126
[11:52] <Xand3r> what i have to do?
[11:53] <Xand3r> that is what i got http://paste.ubuntu.com/23686/
[11:56] <Xand3r> i have realy no clue what i have to do now
[11:58] <toma> paste  src/Window.h:126
[11:58] <Xand3r> ok
[11:59] <Xand3r> toma: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23690/
[12:04] <toma> Xand3r: sorry, can't help you. abs should be defined by the cmath include
[12:05] <Xand3r> but #include <cmath>
[12:05] <Xand3r> is uncomment
[12:06] <toma> no, that is how it is supposed to be
[12:06] <toma> # is not a comment in c++
[12:10] <Xand3r> ok i have no clue about c++, thx for your help
[12:13] <Xand3r> i found with google that gentoo fixed the probme-.-
[12:14] <toma> link?
[12:14] <Xand3r> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/search?q=cache:ZkpZKnT-A3sJ:https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi%3Fformat%3Dmultiple%26id%3D219539+%22src/Window.h:126:+error:+there+are+no+arguments+to+%27abs%27%22&hl=de&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=de&client=firefox-a
[12:14] <smarter> I found a replacement for kmilo: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/osdvolume?content=83176
[12:15] <Xand3r> toma: but you cant view the patch
[12:15] <toma> Xand3r: yes i can, patch looks sane
[12:18] <Xand3r> is it possible that you can write a patch for me?
[12:18] <toma> Xand3r: why, what is wrong with that patch?
[12:19] <Xand3r> nothing
[12:20] <Xand3r> i have thought wrong
[12:20] <Xand3r> i cant see the patch
[12:20] <toma> Xand3r: want me to paste it somewhere for you?
[12:20] <Xand3r> if you want to
[12:21] <toma> Xand3r: http://rafb.net/p/KHkKy182.html
[12:26] <Xand3r> toma: thanx a lot
[12:29] <toma> you're welcome
[12:30] <Xand3r> ^^
[12:56] <apachelogger> smarter: kmilo did more than volume :P
[12:56] <apachelogger> smarter: but go ahead and give the app a sanity check and package it
[12:56] <smarter> there's a little problem with it
[12:56] <smarter> it uses kmix dbus calls
[12:57] <apachelogger> smarter: so?
[12:57] <apachelogger> IIRC we did nothing different with kmilo
[12:57] <smarter> which is fine, but kmix seems to have "globalmaster" and "localmaster"
[12:57] <smarter> and you can only change globalmaster via kmix gui
[12:57] <smarter> and the dbus calls use the localmaster
[12:57] <apachelogger> then we should get it fixed in kmix, right? ;-)
[12:57] <smarter> yep
[12:58] <smarter> I asked for a kmix dev on #kde-devel 'cause I don't really know the code and don't see why there's too types of master
[12:59] <smarter> s/too/two
[13:15] <Xand3r> apachelogger: i coud cry
[13:16] <Xand3r> the depends took a long time, the patch too and now after the patch another error -.- http://paste.ubuntu.com/23695/
[13:18] <apachelogger> hum
[13:18] <apachelogger> p.u.c and p.d.o both unreachable
[13:18]  * apachelogger senses the world end
[13:19] <Xand3r> ..
[13:19] <apachelogger> Xand3r: I hope you know what the problem is :P
[13:20] <Xand3r> no
[13:20] <Xand3r> otherwise i would not cry
[13:20] <apachelogger> cool
[13:20] <apachelogger> Xand3r: you should learn reading build errors
[13:21] <apachelogger> Xand3r: scroll to the line where the error seems to appear
[13:21] <apachelogger> then read in it's surrounding whether there is some very noticable error
[13:22] <Xand3r> src/ladspa/RubberBandPitchShifter.h:18:20: error: ladspa.h: No such file or directory
[13:22] <apachelogger> well, pretty obvious what you need to do ;-)
[13:23] <apachelogger> Xand3r: in 93% of build errors this one is due to a missing external dependency
[13:23] <Xand3r> delet the import?
[13:23] <apachelogger> 5% due to internal include error due to earlier build error
[13:23] <apachelogger> 2% due to broken $world
[13:24] <apachelogger> Xand3r: why would you delete an import? Oo
[13:24] <Xand3r> cause it imports an file wich not exist
[13:25] <apachelogger> Oo
[13:25] <apachelogger> ehm
[13:25] <apachelogger> to reuse my sentence from yesterday
[13:25] <apachelogger> using that attitude you could just remove all the sources, then you have a 100% probability that don't get any include errors
[13:26] <Xand3r> grrrr
[13:26] <apachelogger> Xand3r: ever wondered why you need build-dependencies? ;-)
[13:26] <apachelogger> this error is exactly why
[13:27] <apachelogger> the -dev packages pull in loads of .h files, some of these .h files get included in the .cpp/.h files and get used while compilation ... one could say the -dev packages ship files other developers can use to improve the own lazyness/producitivty
[13:28] <apachelogger> Xand3r: using that knowledge, how are you going to fix this build error? :P
[13:28] <Xand3r> ladspa-sdk-dev -.-
[13:29] <apachelogger> Xand3r: well, almost ;-)
[13:29] <apachelogger> Xand3r: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+package/ladspa-sdk
[13:29] <apachelogger> ldspa-sdk-dev is the old one
[13:29] <apachelogger> nowadays we jsut have ladspa-sdk
[13:29] <apachelogger> *just
[13:30] <Xand3r> oh ok thx
[13:30] <apachelogger> though I think -sdk-dev would be working as well, since -sdk lists it as provided
[13:37] <Xand3r> apachelogger: the script wants to creat an /user/includes/rubberband dir
[13:38] <Xand3r> but it gets permissions denied
[13:42] <apachelogger> Xand3r: paste your debian/rules
[13:43] <Xand3r> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23700/
[13:47] <Xand3r> apachelogger: was meinst du?
[13:51] <apachelogger> :|
[13:51] <apachelogger> Xand3r: add
[13:51] <apachelogger> export DH_VERBOSE=1
[13:51] <apachelogger> then build again
[13:51] <apachelogger> and paste the buildlog afterwards
[13:51] <Xand3r> ok
[13:52]  * apachelogger is all of a sudden in packaging mood
[13:54] <Xand3r> apachelogger: looks like the same error
[13:55] <apachelogger> yes
[13:55] <apachelogger> I need the output :P
[13:56] <Xand3r> kk
[13:57] <Xand3r> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23702/
[13:58] <apachelogger> :/
[13:59] <apachelogger> Xand3r: either you fix the buildsystem to respect DESTDIR, or you determine all files that need to be installed manually and use debian/install
[13:59] <apachelogger> eitherway you should drop upstream a mail asking for a more dynamic buildsystem
[13:59] <Xand3r> mom i had a mistak
[14:00] <apachelogger> Xand3r: ?
[14:00] <Xand3r> too 	embarrassing
[14:05] <Xand3r> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23703/
[14:06] <apachelogger> now that didn't change anything :P
[14:06] <apachelogger> Xand3r: /usr/bin/make -C . install DESTDIR=/tmp/buildd/rubberband-1.0.1/debian/rubberband/
[14:06] <apachelogger> the buildsystem doesn't respect DESTDIR
[14:06] <apachelogger> so you can patch the buildsystem to either respect DESTDIR or at least run install to the proper directory
[14:07] <apachelogger> or just install all the files manually
[14:07] <apachelogger> or you make upstream fix the buildsystem and stop the packging until upstream did so
[14:09] <Xand3r> what means the build system doesn't respect DESTDIR?
[14:09] <smarter> make install DESTDIR=foo << things should install in foo/
[14:10] <smarter> because the Makefile should do something like install bla $DESTDIR/bin/
[14:10] <Xand3r> yea but if the build system dont respect it, my system is the bad on or?
[14:10] <smarter> no
[14:10] <smarter> the Makefile do something like install bla /usr/bin
[14:11] <Xand3r> yes
[14:11] <Xand3r> it shuold
[14:11] <smarter> it doesn't use $DESTDIR, the path is "hardcoded"
[14:11] <smarter> this is a bug in the app, not in your system
[14:11] <smarter> it should not be too hard to fix
[14:12] <smarter> but you should send upstream a mail about this
[14:12] <apachelogger> everyone should just use cmake
[14:13] <Xand3r> for some one like you it would not be hard, i am sitting hier several hours to come at this point
[14:13] <Xand3r> apachelogger: ^^
[14:13] <smarter> apachelogger: +1 ;)
[14:13] <apachelogger> Xand3r: you sit there serval hours
[14:13] <apachelogger> next time you do it in one hour
[14:13] <apachelogger> then in 5 minutes
[14:13] <Xand3r> i hope
[14:14] <Xand3r> i becom agressive i see the time pass and nothing is finished
[14:15] <Xand3r> so what would be the best?
[14:16] <Xand3r> apachelogger: what do you think?
[14:16] <apachelogger> well
[14:16] <apachelogger> hmmm
[14:16] <apachelogger> let me try something
[14:17] <Xand3r> ok
[14:21] <apachelogger> what a load of deps -.-
[14:21] <Xand3r> yes
[14:21] <Xand3r> do you want to know all i found?
[14:21]  * apachelogger runs apt-get install the 5th time
[14:21] <apachelogger> plz
[14:22] <Xand3r> debhelper (>= 5), autotools-dev, cdbs, pkg-config, libsamplerate0-dev, libsndfile-dev, fftw3-dev, vamp-plugin-sdk, ladspa-sdk
[14:22] <Xand3r> have fun
[14:23] <Xand3r> apachelogger: what are you tryig?
[14:24] <apachelogger> building :P
[14:24] <apachelogger> oh, finally
[14:24]  * apachelogger launches a make -j5
[14:25] <apachelogger> ehhhhhhhhhm
[14:25] <apachelogger> Oo
[14:25] <apachelogger> Xand3r: something is wrong with your packaging
[14:26] <apachelogger> or maybe my pbuilder
[14:26] <apachelogger> very strange
[14:26]  * apachelogger investigates
[14:27] <apachelogger> ah
[14:27] <apachelogger> my pbuilder
[14:27] <apachelogger> sorry
[14:28] <Xand3r> what is with you pbuilder?
[14:29] <apachelogger> nevermind
[14:29] <apachelogger> ok
[14:29] <apachelogger> hmmmm
[14:30] <apachelogger> Xand3r: before make-install gets executed you have to run configure --prefix=DEBINSTALLTHINGY
[14:30] <apachelogger> then make install should work properly
[14:35]  * Xand3r gets headaches
[14:35] <smarter> Xand3r: https://perso.duckcorp.org/duck/cdbs-doc/cdbs-doc.xhtml
[14:35] <smarter> should help you
[14:36] <apachelogger> uh, works like charm :)
[14:36] <smarter> try DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS := --prefix=$DESTDIR
[14:37] <apachelogger> no no
[14:37] <smarter> no? (:
[14:37] <apachelogger> it needs to be executed after make
[14:37] <apachelogger> but before make install
[14:37] <smarter> uh
[14:37] <apachelogger> the makefiles are bound to @prefix@
[14:38] <smarter> build/nameofthepackage::
./configure --prefix=$DESTDIR
[14:38] <apachelogger> I'd prehook it
[14:39] <apachelogger> common prehook actually
[14:39] <smarter> prehook?
[14:39] <apachelogger> otherwise it gets executed for every package
[14:39] <apachelogger> smarter: cdbs has a prehook for almost everything
[14:40] <apachelogger> # This rule is called before the common-install target.  It's currently only
[14:40] <apachelogger> # used by debhelper.mk, to run dh_clean -k.
[14:40] <apachelogger> common-install-prehook-arch::
[14:40] <apachelogger> common-install-prehook-indep::
[14:40] <apachelogger> buildcore.mk
[14:41] <Xand3r> omg
[14:42] <Xand3r> my headaches become worser
[14:43] <apachelogger> Xand3r: why?
[14:43] <Xand3r> im feeling like, i am at the begining of all, i had never learnd a thing -.-
[14:44] <apachelogger> Xand3r: I think you are overrating that
[14:45] <apachelogger> Xand3r: you already did what is needed right now
[14:45] <Xand3r> i think i dont understand what to do exactly, after hours of work
[14:45] <apachelogger> Xand3r: open the Makefile.in in an editor
[14:46] <Xand3r> k
[14:46] <apachelogger> there you find
[14:46] <apachelogger> INSTALL_BINDIR      := @prefix@/bin
[14:46] <apachelogger> and a couple of others
[14:46] <apachelogger> @foobar@ is usually a variable from the buildsystem
[14:47] <apachelogger> in this very case @prefix@ is exactly the --prefix=foobar from ./configure
[14:47] <apachelogger> so INSTALL_BINDIR directly depends on what prefix is passed to ./configure
[14:47] <Xand3r> k
[14:47] <apachelogger> with a normal build ./configure will be executed _once_ with _/usr_ as prefix
[14:48] <apachelogger> that is why you make install fails
[14:48] <apachelogger> the makefiles use @prefix@ for the install target... which is /usr right now
[14:48] <Xand3r> yes
[14:48] <apachelogger> so what you need to do is to change @prefix@ just before you run make install
[14:49] <apachelogger> by executing ./configrue --prerfix$(DEB_DESTDIR)
[14:49] <apachelogger> where DEB_DESTDIR is a var for debian/rubberband in this case
[14:49] <Xand3r> ok
[14:49] <apachelogger> Xand3r: so you do what you already did once ... digg through cdbs and search a target appropriate for this use
[14:50] <apachelogger> as I stated above the IMHO best target is in buildcore.mk and is called common-install-prehook-arch
[14:50] <apachelogger> so you just add
[14:50] <apachelogger> common-install-prehook-arch::
[14:50] <apachelogger> [TAB]./configure --prefix$(DEB_DESTDIR)
[14:51] <Xand3r> looks easy
[14:51] <apachelogger> Xand3r: well, it is, that's why I said you overrate the problem here
[14:52] <apachelogger> you basically did that already for another package, the only difficulty here was to find out that you can influence the make install prefix with ./configure
[14:52] <Xand3r> but if i fail at such a easy thing
[14:53] <Xand3r> but if i fail at such a easy thing
[14:53] <Xand3r> ubs wrong window
[14:53] <apachelogger> Xand3r: become more self-confident and stop overrating problems :P
[14:54] <Xand3r> thats my mum telling me every day
[14:57] <Xand3r> configure: error: unrecognized option: --prefix/tmp/buildd/rubberband-1.0.1/debian/rubberband/
[14:58] <Xand3r> mistak found
[14:58] <nixternal> oi
[14:59] <Xand3r> hi
[15:00] <apachelogger> Xand3r: --prefix=
[15:00] <apachelogger> hey nixternal
[15:00] <Xand3r> apachelogger: i knoe
[15:00] <apachelogger> so much for you fail at easy things :P
[15:01] <Xand3r> as i said mistake found, i realy found it :p
[15:01] <\sh> apachelogger: please play kiss: crazy crazy nights on radio amarok ;)
[15:02] <apachelogger> \sh: I don't have a dj setup right now
[15:02] <\sh> apachelogger: das ist dumm ;)
[15:02] <apachelogger> besides, I am not member of the amarok team anymore, so I guess I shouldn't do that at all ;-)
[15:03] <\sh> apachelogger: what?
[15:03] <\sh> apachelogger: since when and why?
[15:04] <\sh> apachelogger: but for heavens sake, we could setup an red5 server and do some rock shows on leonov.tv ;)
[15:04] <Xand3r> i gonna hate this package
[15:05] <\sh> Xand3r: you can't hate something what you never loved ;)
[15:05] <apachelogger> \sh: for about a week now, due to missing motivation and certain team members behaviour
[15:05] <apachelogger> Xand3r: why?
[15:05] <Xand3r> non-standard-toplevel-dir
[15:05] <apachelogger> :)
[15:05] <apachelogger> indeed
[15:05] <\sh> apachelogger: really sad to hear
[15:05] <Xand3r> file-in-unusual-dir
[15:05] <apachelogger> Xand3r: $(DEB_DESTDIR)/usr
[15:06] <apachelogger> \sh: well, leaves more time for KDE and Kubuntu ;-)
[15:06] <Xand3r> what would i do without you?
[15:06] <apachelogger> Xand3r: think for yourself :P
[15:06] <Xand3r> ^^, i think i would not package any thing, so thanks for your help
[15:07]  * apachelogger should stop that
[15:07] <apachelogger> too much help distrubs the process of learning
[15:07] <Xand3r> -.-
[15:07] <Xand3r> you sound like my teacher
[15:09] <Xand3r> apachelogger: when we could meet us again? it was realy funny in berlin, the next linuxtag is too far away
[15:12] <Xand3r> apachelogger: now i am at the point with the lib file -.-
[15:14] <Xand3r> i have no clue how i can give sonames
[15:16] <apachelogger> Xand3r: froscon
[15:16] <Xand3r> froscon, placed where?
[15:16] <apachelogger> st. augusting
[15:16] <apachelogger> ...bonn...
[15:16] <apachelogger> Xand3r: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-sharedlibs.html
[15:17] <Xand3r> thx
[15:20] <Xand3r> apachelogger: my way http://tiny.cc/KJERm
[15:20] <apachelogger> \sh: dpkg-deb: building package `leonov' in `../leonov_0.0.1-0ubuntu1_i386.deb'.
[15:21] <Xand3r> apachelogger: using ldconfig?
[15:21] <\sh> apachelogger: rocker rocker :)
[15:21]  * \sh loves apachelogger...
[15:21] <apachelogger> Xand3r: ?
[15:22] <Xand3r> apachelogger: if you ask, i was wrong
[15:22] <apachelogger> Xand3r: http://maps.google.de/maps?f=d&hl=de&geocode=&saddr=obbornhofen&daddr=Sankt+Augustin,+Rhein-Sieg-Kreis,+Nordrhein-Westfalen,+Deutschland&mra=pe&mrcr=0&sll=50.627306,7.978334&sspn=0.970474,2.845459&ie=UTF8&ll=50.590212,8.025513&spn=0.97123,2.845459&z=9
[15:22] <apachelogger> my way :P
[15:23] <Xand3r> you pasted my way :p
[15:23] <Xand3r> apachelogger: building/configur the lib with ldconfig?
[15:23] <apachelogger> true
[15:24] <apachelogger> scru it tough
[15:24] <Xand3r> ?
[15:24] <apachelogger> Xand3r: can you please write a proper question
[15:27] <Xand3r> apachelogger: 1. i want to build a shared lib?
[15:27] <apachelogger> you almost always want to build a shared library
[15:28] <Xand3r> ok
[15:29] <Xand3r> the only thing i have to do is to rename librubberband.so to librubberband.so.soversion
[15:30] <Xand3r> or is there any mechanism?
[15:32] <Xand3r> or did i get something wron?
[15:32] <apachelogger> Xand3r: does it not hav a soversion?
[15:32] <apachelogger> *have
[15:32] <Xand3r> if it had one it would not come the error
[15:32] <apachelogger> meh
[15:32] <apachelogger> Xand3r: what is the exact error?
[15:33] <Xand3r> E: rubberband: sharedobject-in-library-directory-missing-soname usr/lib/librubberband.so
[15:33] <apachelogger> well
[15:33] <apachelogger> I have no idea :P
[15:33] <Xand3r> ?!!
[15:33] <apachelogger> Xand3r: defenitely not rename
[15:34] <apachelogger> Xand3r: just ignore the error for now and throw the .so in the librubberband0 package
[15:34] <Xand3r> ?
[15:34] <Xand3r> never done somthing like this
[15:35] <apachelogger> of course you did
[15:35] <apachelogger> the transitional package?!
[15:35] <Xand3r> urg
[15:35] <apachelogger> Xand3r: just add a new binary stanza to debian/control
[15:35] <apachelogger> according to spec it has to be named librubberband0
[15:35] <Xand3r> ok
[15:35] <Xand3r> wait a mom
[15:35] <apachelogger> where 0 is the soversion, but since it does not have one at all -> 0
[15:36] <apachelogger> then you install the files using debian/rubberband.install debian/librubberband0.install ....
[15:36] <brandonperry_> hi, I tried to install kde4.1-beta 2 from the PPA for leonov, buleonov says it still isn't installed
[15:36] <brandonperry_> am I missing some thing?
[15:36] <apachelogger> brandonperry_: #leonov please
[15:37] <brandonperry_> ok, thanks
[15:39] <Xand3r> apachelogger:  the new control http://paste.ubuntu.com/23711/
[15:40] <apachelogger> Xand3r: Depends: rubberband
[15:40] <apachelogger> wrong
[15:40] <apachelogger> Xand3r: but finish the package splitting
[15:40] <apachelogger> we can do the fine tuning later on
[15:40] <Xand3r> ok
[15:42] <apachelogger> \sh: https://launchpad.net/leonov/+announcement/569 <-- typo release vs. released
[15:43] <apachelogger> \sh: http://leonov.tv/content/leonov-launchpad-desktop-client-first-coming "Right now the GTK & QT frontends are not separate, which will be done in one of the next releases." <-- QT vs. Qt
[15:45] <\sh> apachelogger: login, I'll approve you, and you can change it yourself? ;)
[15:46] <Xand3r> rubberband.install http://paste.ubuntu.com/23712/
[15:46] <Xand3r> librubberband0.install http://paste.ubuntu.com/23713/
[15:47] <Xand3r> apachelogger: what du you think about?
[15:48] <apachelogger> Xand3r: what about a -dev package ;-)
[15:49] <Xand3r> no, pleas
[15:49] <apachelogger> Xand3r: get a random lib package and take a look at it
[15:49] <apachelogger> \sh: Invalid CAPTCHA token.
[15:49] <apachelogger> OpenID registration failed for the reasons listed. You may register now, or if you already have an account you can log in now and add your OpenID under "My Account"
[15:50] <Xand3r> apachelogger: ?
[15:50] <\sh> apachelogger: well known openid drupal bug
[15:50]  * apachelogger demands usability
[15:50] <\sh> apachelogger: drupal still needs an account, even when you come with openid...it's really a known bug
[15:51] <apachelogger> well, drupal may create the stupid account based on the data provided by my openid server
[15:51] <\sh> apachelogger: yes..that's the bug ;)
[15:51] <apachelogger> lam0rs
[15:51] <apachelogger> \sh: ok, pending approval
[15:52] <\sh> apachelogger: you are now "project member"
[15:53] <apachelogger> hooray! :D
[15:53]  * apachelogger hands \sh a beer
[15:54] <Xand3r> apachelogger: of wihch project?
[15:55] <apachelogger> \sh: now I would just need permission to edit that page ;-)
[15:55] <apachelogger> Xand3r: leonov
[15:55] <Xand3r> ah ok
[15:56] <\sh> apachelogger: now?
[15:56] <apachelogger> \sh: nope
[15:58] <Xand3r> apachelogger: what i have to finde in that file?
[15:58] <apachelogger> Xand3r: whcih file?
[15:59] <Xand3r> the random lib file
[16:00] <apachelogger> Oo
[16:00] <Xand3r> [16:49] <apachelogger> Xand3r: get a random lib package and take a look at it
[16:00] <apachelogger> well
[16:00] <apachelogger> find out what belongs to the lib package
[16:00] <apachelogger> what to the -dev package
[16:00] <apachelogger> and if available in the -bin package
[16:00] <Xand3r> omg
[16:03] <\sh> apachelogger: now..damn..I'm on the run
[16:04] <apachelogger> \sh: nope :P
[16:04] <apachelogger> anyway, we have more important stuff to do
[16:04] <apachelogger> \sh: backspace in the password field makes leonov goes down
[16:04] <\sh> apachelogger: it's a story..and you have now the permission :)
[16:04] <\sh> apachelogger: file bug /me is on the run to get drunk very soon ;)
[16:04] <apachelogger> :D
[16:04] <apachelogger> okay
[16:05] <apachelogger> \sh: what packaging would you propose?
[16:05] <apachelogger> l-kde & l-gnome, depending on l-common
[16:05] <apachelogger> or l depending on l-kde | l-gnome?
[16:06] <\sh> apachelogger: hmm...leonov depends on leonov-common and leonov-kde | leonov-gnome
[16:06] <\sh> apachelogger: we just have a problem with py-lp-bugs
[16:07] <\sh> apachelogger: right now, it's a version not released
[16:07] <apachelogger> so?
[16:08] <apachelogger> \sh: I think l-common doesn't make much sense if we create l which depends on kde|gnome
[16:09] <Xand3r> apachelogger:  lib http://paste.ubuntu.com/23721/ ; lib-dev http://paste.ubuntu.com/23722/ ;  bin http://paste.ubuntu.com/23723/
[16:09] <apachelogger> Xand3r: usr/lib/pkgconfig/rubberband.pc
[16:09] <apachelogger> belongs into -dev
[16:09] <apachelogger> .a as well IIRC
[16:09] <\sh> apachelogger: we deal with that tomorrow :) btw....0.0.1a.tar.gz is available with a serious bugfix ;)
[16:09] <apachelogger> not sure about .cat
[16:09] <apachelogger> Xand3r: are the .cat files binaries or plain text?
[16:09] <\sh> anyways off now :)
[16:10] <\sh> cu later
[16:10] <apachelogger> \sh: have fun
[16:12] <Xand3r> apachelogger: how i can find it out?
[16:13] <apachelogger> Xand3r: file CATFILE
[16:14] <apachelogger> if it doesn't tell that it is a binary please paste it's content
[16:14] <Xand3r> mom
[16:14] <Xand3r> wait
[16:14] <Xand3r> it is in the deb how i get that file?
[16:15] <apachelogger> Xand3r: dpkg-deb --help
[16:18] <Xand3r> vamp-rubberband.cat: ASCII text
[16:18] <apachelogger> paste please
[16:19] <Xand3r> vamp:vamp-rubberband:rubberband::Time > Timestretch Analysis
[16:19] <Xand3r> thats all
[16:19] <apachelogger> looks very -devish to me ;-)
[16:19] <Xand3r> maybe
[16:21] <Xand3r> apachelogger: thats all?
[16:21] <apachelogger> yes
[16:21] <Xand3r> the control
[16:22] <Xand3r> apachelogger: now the fine tuning?
[16:22] <apachelogger> Xand3r: send me the source packaging
[16:23] <apachelogger> or upload to revu
[16:23] <Xand3r> in the control i dont build the dev
[16:24] <Xand3r> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23725/
[16:24] <Xand3r> thats the control
[16:25] <Xand3r> why upload things i know they aer not finished
[16:29] <apachelogger> line 6 needs a line break -> exceeds 80 characters per line
[16:29] <apachelogger> hm
[16:29] <Xand3r> done
[16:31] <apachelogger> Xand3r: librubberband0 needs a Depends: ${shlibs:Depends
[16:31] <apachelogger> -dev doesn't depend on rubberband
[16:31] <apachelogger> but needs shlibs:Depends as well
[16:31] <apachelogger> also -dev needs to depend on librubberband0 (= ${binary:Version})
[16:32] <Xand3r> i only can install a dev if i have the base so i need the depend on rubberband
[16:32] <apachelogger> Xand3r: wasn't it who you told me that a -dev package always pulls in the lib as well?
[16:32] <apachelogger> Xand3r: rubberband is not the base
[16:32] <apachelogger> lib is the base
[16:32] <apachelogger> I have never seen a -dev pulling in a binary package
[16:32] <apachelogger> binary as in -bin
[16:32] <Xand3r> ok
[16:33] <apachelogger> Xand3r: lib and -dev need different sections
[16:34] <Xand3r> grrr
[16:34] <apachelogger> Xand3r: oh, btw, the (= ${binary:Version}) is super important for -dev
[16:34] <apachelogger> otherwise you might cause all sorts of breakage
[16:34] <apachelogger> Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5), autotools-dev, cdbs, pkg-config, libsamplerate0-dev, libsndfile-dev, fftw3-dev, vamp-plugin-sdk, ladspa-sdk, librubberband
[16:34] <apachelogger> the package can't build-depend on a package that is built form it
[16:35] <apachelogger> so what does librubberband0 do there?!
[16:35] <Xand3r> emm emm, dont knoe
[16:35] <Xand3r> *know
[16:35] <apachelogger> lib and -dev need descriptions
[16:35] <apachelogger> and
[16:35] <apachelogger> the description for rubberband is....
[16:35] <apachelogger> bad
[16:36] <Xand3r> its from the HP
[16:36] <apachelogger> that doesn't make it good
[16:36] <apachelogger> Rubber Band is free, open source software written
[16:36] <apachelogger>  by Chris Cannam. It is distributed under the GNU General Public License.
[16:36] <apachelogger>  Proprietary licensing for commercial applications is also available.
[16:36] <apachelogger> I, as a user am not interessted who wrote that if I wanted to know, I would look into the debian coprgithy file, same for license
[16:36] <apachelogger> and since it is in ubuntu universe it is of course floss
[16:36] <apachelogger> so that is redundant
[16:37] <apachelogger> I, as a user, also don't want to get a commercial application license
[16:37] <apachelogger> I don't even know what that means
[16:37] <Xand3r> grr
[16:39] <Xand3r> i want to package not to descript it
[16:41] <Xand3r> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23727/
[16:41] <Xand3r> actual control
[16:41] <apachelogger> Xand3r: s/actual/current
[16:42] <apachelogger> and you want to provide best use experience to our users, so you want a good description
[16:42] <apachelogger> rubberband depends librubberband0 (= ${binary:Version})
[16:42] <apachelogger> Package: librubberband0
[16:42] <apachelogger> Section: utils
[16:42] <apachelogger> wrong
[16:42] <Xand3r> ok
[16:43] <apachelogger> missing whitespace in Depends:${shlibs:Depends} for the lib
[16:43] <apachelogger> well, add descriptions to the lib and -dev and I am happy
[16:43] <Xand3r> Section lib?
[16:43] <apachelogger> Xand3r: you might just want to copy the rubber band description and make it reflect, that this is the library/development stuff
[16:44] <apachelogger> Xand3r: does that section exist ;-)
[16:44] <Xand3r> i don know
[16:44] <Xand3r> i search
[16:44] <apachelogger> that is what I meant when I said that too much help distrubs learning :P
[16:44] <Xand3r> it is libs
[16:45] <apachelogger> then use that
[16:45] <Xand3r> i do
[16:48] <Xand3r> apachelogger: current version http://paste.ubuntu.com/23728/
[16:48] <Xand3r> i hope i done everything you wanted
[16:51] <apachelogger> Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5), autotools-dev, cdbs, pkg-config,
[16:51] <apachelogger>  libsamplerate0-dev, libsndfile-dev, fftw3-dev, vamp-plugin-sdk, ladspa-sdk,
[16:51] <apachelogger>  librubberband0 (= ${binary:Version})
[16:51] <apachelogger> Description: Shared libs for rubberband
[16:52] <apachelogger> Description: devel files for rubberband
[16:52] <apachelogger> Xand3r: those contain things I don't like
[16:52] <Xand3r> [17:42] <apachelogger> rubberband depends librubberband0 (= ${binary:Version})
[16:52] <Xand3r> so why it is wrong
[16:52] <Xand3r> urg
[16:53] <Xand3r> i know not for building for using
[16:54] <Xand3r> apachelogger: but what is with the short description?
[16:54] <apachelogger> well
[16:54] <apachelogger> look at them
[16:54] <Xand3r> i do
[16:54] <apachelogger> and try to think like a user who has to read it
[16:55] <Xand3r> and?
[16:57] <Xand3r> apachelogger: where is the problem, i have no
[16:57] <apachelogger> devel means?
[16:57] <apachelogger> libs means?
[16:58] <apachelogger> why is Shared upper case and devel not?
[17:00] <Xand3r> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23730/
[17:02] <Xand3r> apachelogger: changed the things
[17:04] <apachelogger> Section: devel
[17:04] <apachelogger> Xand3r: there is a better one
[17:04] <smarter> "These is the shared library" << should be this
[17:04] <smarter> "These is the shared library" << should be "This is"
[17:04] <Xand3r> smarter: thx
[17:06] <Xand3r> i think apachelogger lost the endurance, with me and my faults
[17:06] <smarter> not really important, but for multiple binary packages, the usage is to do Description: <general description>[newline]<dot>[newline]This package contains the shared libs/developement headers/whatever
[17:08] <smarter> Xand3r: see for example libavcodec1d and libavcodec-dev
[17:11] <Xand3r> smarter: ?
[17:11] <smarter> [18:06:32] <smarter> not really important, but for multiple binary packages, the usage is to do Description: <general description>[newline]<dot>[newline]This package contains the shared libs/developement headers/whatever
[17:14] <Xand3r> i only know the wy to read the discription via adept, but there are no dots shown, so ther exist a nother way or?
[17:17] <smarter> Xand3r: try with apt-cache or aptitude
[17:17] <smarter> apt-cache show <package>
[17:18] <Xand3r> ok thx
[17:18] <smarter> If you're not already familiar with apt-get/apt-cache/aptitude/dpkg you should learn to use them
[17:18] <Xand3r> of cours
[17:19] <Xand3r> now i know what you mean with the dot
[17:30] <Xand3r> rubberband is now up on revu
[17:43] <Xand3r> smarter: maybe you could review my package? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=rubberband
[17:43] <smarter> sure
[17:43] <Xand3r> thx
[17:44] <smarter> but I will not be able to ack it, IANAM ;)
[17:44] <Xand3r> ack?
[17:44] <smarter> advocate
[17:45] <Xand3r> ok nevermind, bt if i could shure that all is right i am happy
[17:56] <Xand3r> take now libdevel
[17:56] <Xand3r> sorry apachelogger saw your comment right now
[18:00] <Xand3r> but this is up now
[18:01] <smarter> Xand3r: reviewed
[18:02] <smarter> you could also add in the patch file a comment saying that you took the patch from Gentoo
[18:02] <Xand3r> hmm
[18:02] <crimsun_> (The pedigree of a patch should actually be clear always, so, yes, it should/must be in the changelog or named appropriately.)
[18:03] <Xand3r> i think to put it in the change log wo be better
[18:20] <apachelogger> Xand3r, smarter: comment out dh_verbose rather than removing it
[18:20] <apachelogger> makes me happier, as I will always switch to verbose when revuing :P
[18:21] <Xand3r> ^^
[18:22] <Xand3r> in the changelog * FTBFS solved with the rubberband-1.0.1-gcc43.patch from gentoo
[18:22] <Xand3r> i that ok?
[18:23] <Xand3r> smarter i dont got wich information is infront an wich is after the <dot>
[18:24] <smarter> [18:08:18] <smarter> Xand3r: see for example libavcodec1d and libavcodec-dev
[18:25] <apachelogger> Xand3r: librubberband0-dev.install is missing a final newline
[18:25] <Xand3r> oh i fix it
[18:26] <apachelogger> dh_install -prubberband
[18:26] <apachelogger>         cp -a ./usr/share/man/man1/rubberband.1.gz debian/rubberband/./usr/share/man/man1/
[18:26] <apachelogger> cp: cannot stat `./usr/share/man/man1/rubberband.1.gz': No such file or directory
[18:26] <apachelogger> dh_install: command returned error code 256
[18:26] <Xand3r> wat?
[18:26] <Xand3r> how that could be
[18:26] <Xand3r> mom
[18:27] <Xand3r> but in the old deb the rubberband.1.gz existed
[18:29] <apachelogger> think about it
[18:29] <apachelogger> look at the path
[18:29] <Xand3r> i had build it and had no problem
[18:31] <apachelogger> Xand3r: do you know the problem yet?
[18:31] <Xand3r> now cause i have not this problem
[18:32] <apachelogger> of course you have
[18:32] <Xand3r> and cant imagen how you coud have one
[18:32] <apachelogger> build it
[18:32] <Xand3r> done
[18:32] <apachelogger> dood
[18:32] <apachelogger> Xand3r: what file is that?
[18:32] <Xand3r> urg i have the same error
[18:32] <apachelogger> -.-
[18:32] <Xand3r> apachelogger: that is the manpage
[18:33] <apachelogger> right, did you ever install a manpage via debian/install?
[18:33] <Xand3r> yes
[18:33] <apachelogger> well
[18:33] <apachelogger> with cdbs?
[18:33] <Xand3r> no
[18:33] <apachelogger> and from  a directory other than debian/?
[18:34] <Xand3r> stop
[18:34] <Xand3r> i had
[18:34] <Xand3r> yesterday
[18:34] <apachelogger> ....
[18:34] <apachelogger> show me
[18:34] <Xand3r> no
[18:34] <apachelogger> anyway
[18:34] <Xand3r> think conflict in my brain
[18:34] <apachelogger> Xand3r: man dh_installman
[18:35] <apachelogger> what is that thing doing
[18:35] <apachelogger> do you see the conflict?
[18:35] <Xand3r> istalls my man page
[18:36] <Xand3r> it installs an manpage.1 and i have put an manpage.1.gz?
[18:36]  * apachelogger uberheaddesk until his brain drops out
[18:37] <apachelogger> Xand3r: did you ever think about why you actually need to create a manpage?
[18:37] <apachelogger> well, because upstream doesn't install one
[18:37] <Xand3r> yes
[18:37] <apachelogger> in the erroring .install however you list an upstream manpage for installation
[18:37] <apachelogger> even though upstream doesn't install manpage
[18:37] <apachelogger> that is a bit pointless, right?
[18:39] <Xand3r> yes
[18:40] <Xand3r> but my dh installs the manpage not the upstream
[18:41]  * apachelogger needs a drink
[18:41] <apachelogger> Xand3r: look at the path
[18:41] <apachelogger> ah
[18:41] <apachelogger> screw it
[18:41] <apachelogger> Xand3r: remove the god damn first line in rubberband.install
[18:42] <apachelogger> and fix the other paths to start with debian/tmp/
[18:42]  * apachelogger gets some wine
[18:43] <Xand3r> am i so horrible?
[18:46] <crimsun_> he's just frustrated, that's all.
[18:46] <crimsun_> (try asking in #ubuntu-motu if you have further questions.)
[18:49] <apachelogger> it just hurts
[18:49]  * ScottK-laptop hands apachelogger some valium.
[18:49] <apachelogger> ScottK: cheers
[18:50] <apachelogger> Xand3r: dh_installman installed the manpage in the initial package
[18:50] <apachelogger> thats the reason it got listed
[18:50] <apachelogger> now you try to install that file, even though it doesn't exist because you yourself add it so dh_installman can install it
[21:10] <gnomefreak> what is default sound server in Kubuntu hardy? PA or something else
[21:10] <apachelogger> artsd on KDE 3
[21:10] <apachelogger> the void on KDE 4
[21:42] <gnomefreak> apachelogger: it doesnt use PA
[21:42] <gnomefreak> pulse audio == PA
[21:43] <apachelogger> right
[21:43] <gnomefreak> crap
[21:43] <apachelogger> I didn't say it does
[21:43] <apachelogger> good thing it doesn't
[21:43] <gnomefreak> no
[21:43] <gnomefreak> i dont want to backport libflashsupport since it still causing crashes
[21:43] <gnomefreak> i was hoping to get away with asound-plugins for depend on flash 10
[21:44] <gnomefreak> but if its not default the user would have to change it to default other wise libflashsupport will be needed
[21:45] <gnomefreak> apachelogger: thanks for the info
[21:46] <smarter> gnomefreak: I don't understand, I don't have libflashsupport installed nor PA and flash (mostly) works?
[21:46] <smarter> hola jpds
[21:47] <gnomefreak> smarter: flash 9?
[21:47] <smarter> yep
[21:47] <gnomefreak> smarter: talking about flash 10
[21:47] <smarter> flash 10 requires libflashsupport or asound-thing ?
[21:47] <gnomefreak> the deps were changed due to sound and crashing
[21:47] <gnomefreak> smarter: yes
[21:47]  * smarter downloads flash10 and test
[21:48] <jpds> smarter: hallo.
[21:48] <gnomefreak> smarter: give me a mintute i will pastebin them
[21:48] <gnomefreak> smarter: my PPA has them
[21:48] <smarter> ok
[21:49] <gnomefreak> smarter: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/472498
[21:49] <gnomefreak> #
[21:49] <gnomefreak>  |Depends: libflashsupport
[21:49] <gnomefreak> #
[21:49] <gnomefreak>   Depends: libasound2-plugins
[21:49] <gnomefreak> that is important part
[21:53] <smarter> gnomefreak: flash10, konqueror4, no asound-plugins, no libflashsupport and no crash
[21:55] <smarter> I'm on 64bits so I'm using nspluginwrapper too
[21:55] <gnomefreak> smarter: thats why
[21:56] <gnomefreak> nspluginwrapper doesnt need those IIRC
[21:56] <gnomefreak> its been a while since i build it but it runs off itself i think
[21:57] <smarter> maybe we should use nspluginwrapper on 32 bits too? (:
[21:57] <smarter> flash seems a lot more stable with it
[21:57] <gnomefreak> smarter: i doubt it since its a wrapper for 32 from 64
[21:58] <smarter> I know, but it probably works(maybe with some tweaking) on 32bits too
[22:05] <smarter> beside, flash right-click menu look funny in konqueror without nspluginwrapper
[22:06] <gribelu> smarter: i'm using it on 32bit
[22:07] <gribelu> at least when it crashes it doesn't take firefox with it
[22:07] <smarter> gnomefreak: see ^ :p
[22:07] <gribelu> and works great on konq4
[22:07] <smarter> yep
[22:07] <gribelu> someone posted a deb package on ubuntuforums so i gave it a shot.. liked it, kept it :)
[22:08] <gnomefreak> gribelu: i didnt say it doesnt work on 32 bit i dont see a reason for it just more clutter. and flash is always gonna be a BS app since they give linux the leftovers from windows
[22:08] <gnomefreak> gribelu: was it me?
[22:09] <smarter> let's hope gnash will become a good replacement for flash
[22:09] <gribelu> gnomefreak: yeah but it does help me.. i'm a webdev, always have MANY tabs open in FF and when flash crashes it takes FF down too
[22:09] <gribelu> with the wrapper it doesn't crash the browser, just the wrapper :)
[22:10] <gnomefreak> gribelu: right since firefox isnt runing in nspluginwrapper so it will only crash apps in nsplugin-wrapper
[22:10] <gnomefreak> thats how it is ablet o be used in 64bit
[22:10] <jjesse> afternoon
[22:11] <gnomefreak> 32bit flash running against 64 bit FF
[22:11] <gribelu> anyway for me the wrapper is a great thing.. i wouldn't mind having it as an optional package in the repos :D
[22:11] <gribelu> i mean for 32bit
[22:12] <gribelu> then again flash10 beta seems more stable (not too much :) )
[22:12] <gribelu> maybe the final version will be better
[22:13] <gribelu> at least they added pulseaudio support so now there's no need for that lib i forget the name.. it caused many problems
[22:16] <smarter> apachelogger: I found a solution for kvpm with DEB_DH_INSTALL_SOURCEDIR and debian/install to avoid the "../" :)
[22:16] <Xand3r> smarter: can you help me with my package?
[22:16] <smarter> Xand3r: what's your problem?
[22:16] <Xand3r> smarter: he watchs tv
[22:16] <smarter> then I'll let him do so
[22:17] <Xand3r> emm i got configure-generated-file-in-source but i dont understand the explenation from the lintian.debian hp
[22:17] <Xand3r> so i dont know what to do
[22:17] <smarter> the orig tarball contains a config.log file which is usually generated by ./configure
[22:18] <smarter> lintian asks you to add a "rm path/to/config.log" in the clean target of debian/rules, and to ask the upstream devs to remove this file from the tarball
[22:19] <Xand3r> ah ok so i ad this path first of all?
[22:20] <Xand3r> is the the position of the command important?
[22:20] <smarter> Xand3r: how did you got your orig tarball?
[22:20] <smarter> *get
[22:21] <Xand3r> from the hp
[22:21] <smarter> hp?
[22:21] <Xand3r> homepage
[22:21] <smarter> I've downloaded upstream tarball and there's no config.log, so you must have done something with it
[22:21] <Xand3r> ups
[22:21] <smarter> it's a .tar.bz2, did you repack it to .tar.gz?
[22:22] <Xand3r> of course
[22:22] <smarter> you should always document that sort of thing
[22:22] <smarter> the best way is to add a debian/watch file
[22:22] <smarter> and then a "get-orig-source" in debian/rules which download, tar xf, and repack the app
[22:23] <Xand3r> smarter: it is not in the orig.tar.gz
[22:23] <Xand3r> its in the normal dit
[22:23] <Xand3r> *dir
[22:23] <Xand3r> may i tried to compile it times ago and forgotit
[22:23] <smarter> yep, it's in your diff oO
[22:24] <smarter> fakeroot debian/rules clean should remove it
[22:24] <smarter> (to see how to do the debian/watch and get-orig-source thing, look for example at my package of kvpm: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kvpm/ubuntu)
[22:26] <Xand3r> smarter: sudo make -f debian/rules clean done nothing it says there is no rule to make clean
[22:27] <smarter> remove the config.log file, build in the source dir, then fakeroot debian/rules clean and see if the file is removed
[22:27] <smarter> (and you should you fakeroot, not sudo make -f)
[22:27] <Xand3r> this is no fakeroot
[22:28] <smarter> s/this/there/
[22:28] <smarter> sudo aptitude install fakeroot
[22:30] <Xand3r> ok there is but i didn't used it up to now, exept if i use the command pdebuild
[22:30] <Xand3r> but there is an more important error: sharedobject-in-library-directory-missing-soname, i could i fix such a thing?
[22:31] <smarter> Xand3r: try dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot && fakeroot debian/rules clean
[22:31] <smarter> and see if the config.log file is still there
[22:31] <smarter> don't know, never packaged a library
[22:31] <smarter> try with lintian -Ii <file.changes> and pastebin the error
[22:32] <smarter> (I == uppercasel i)
[22:34] <Xand3r> the dpkg-.... dont work, unmet  depends
[22:35] <smarter> Xand3r: then download the deps
[22:35] <Xand3r> urg yea
[22:36] <smarter> you could simply remove the config.log, redo pdebuild and see if the config.log is still in the .diff.gz
[22:36] <Xand3r> smarter: the result of lintin -Ii http://paste.ubuntu.com/23795/
[22:36] <Xand3r> smarter: that is what i will do
[22:43] <Xand3r> smarter: and i have a debian-changelog-file-is-a-symlink
[22:43] <Xand3r> i understand what it is
[22:43] <Xand3r> and that is not the best
[22:43] <smarter> it's normal with cdbs
[22:43] <smarter> ignore this warning
[22:43] <Xand3r> ignoring
[22:44] <Xand3r> the firstime allowed, i cant belive it^^
[22:44] <Xand3r> ok
[22:44] <smarter> ^^
[22:45] <Xand3r> but the soname is tricky
[22:48] <Xand3r> is here some one who has packaged some libs already and could help me?
[22:49] <gnomefreak> ScottK: if you are here alien-arena builds fine and works fine i upoaded it to PPA
[22:50] <Xand3r> grr
[23:19] <Xand3r> ok the current version is up on revu now, open error is the soname of the lib, if you know a solution, pleas tell me http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=rubberband
[23:28] <Xand3r> so i go to bed, c ya smarter an thx for your help
[23:28] <smarter> 'night Xand3r
[23:37] <_gunni_> apachelogger: Just in case you are here and remember the discussion about kmilo yesterday, i found this today: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KOSD?content=81457
[23:37] <_gunni_> Have to leave for bed now, so wont reply if you answer.
[23:43] <firephoto> i updated my cmake when it came down with the beta2 repo and now i get nice clean cmake output with the kde svn building but no details if it bombs out. any pointers on where to look? i'm using the bashrc scripts btw.
[23:47] <ScottK> gnomefreak: Did I approve that one (lost track as I approved ~20 today)?
[23:47] <gnomefreak> ScottK: not yet you wanted someone to build it
[23:48] <gnomefreak> its built and tested and on my PPA for checking if you need
[23:48] <ScottK> gnomefreak: What bug and please say so in the bug if you haven't?
[23:48] <gnomefreak> i did :) hold on ill get it
[23:49] <gnomefreak> ScottK: bug 200954
[23:49] <ScottK> Looking.
[23:50] <gnomefreak> although without changing it you really cant use source from PPA since PPA doesnt allow *backports as targets
[23:51] <ScottK> That's not a problem.  The archive admins had a script they use to pull straight from Intrepid.
[23:51] <ScottK> Approved.  Thanks for testing.
[23:52] <gnomefreak> ScottK: np any others you need tested let me know
[23:53] <ScottK> Sure, but anything that's not marked confirmed probably needs testing, so feel free to go after anything that interests you.
[23:55] <gnomefreak> k