[06:06] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[07:11] <didrocks> good morning
[07:21] <lissyx> I can't find anymore guest sessions on  22.04
[07:21] <lissyx> was this removed?
[07:21] <lissyx> I can't find accurate infos on that matter so far
[07:29] <didrocks> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/guest-sessions-in-18-04-lts-are-they-needed/1714
[07:36] <lissyx> oSoMoN, still some weird things with updates: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1772902
[07:41] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks, salut lissyx
[07:42] <oSoMoN> lissyx, that looks like maybe the gnome platform snap was disconnected from firefox, somehow
[07:42] <lissyx> how can we verify?
[07:46] <ricotz> good morning everyone :)
[07:46] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN
[07:46] <didrocks> hey ricotz
[07:52] <seb128> goood morning desktopers!
[07:52] <didrocks> salut seb128, ça va ?
[07:53] <didrocks> seb128: when you got a spare min, mind reviewing 2 binary packages: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/kinetic/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=adsys ?
[07:53] <seb128> didrocks, nickel, et toi ?
[07:55] <seb128> didrocks, accepted
[07:56] <oSoMoN> good morning ricotz, salut seb128
[07:56] <seb128> oSoMoN, lut, en forme ?
[07:57] <oSoMoN> seb128, ça va!
[07:57] <oSoMoN> lissyx, you can ask for the output of `snap connections firefox`
[07:57] <lissyx> oSoMoN, I worry this could be an intermittent issue, at update time
[07:58] <oSoMoN> yes, that sounds quite likely
[07:58] <lissyx> oSoMoN, i.e., is it possible gnome dep got updated while firefox was running?
[07:58] <lissyx> and this broke the connection?
[07:58] <oSoMoN> even if it was, it shouldn't cause the connection to break
[07:58] <oSoMoN> that sounds like some sort of failure while updating, but definitely not something expected
[07:59] <lissyx> clearly it is running revision 1498, and some code tries to load 1433
[08:00] <lissyx> sounds like a recipe for https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1772219
[08:02] <didrocks> seb128: thanks! Ça va ici :)
[08:02] <didrocks> gabuscus: FYI ^
[11:05] <lissyx> oSoMoN, did you had time to look at my PR adding debug symbols for Nightlies on GitHub Actions ?
[11:21] <oSoMoN> not yet, but will do today
[11:54] <lissyx> oSoMoN, could it be also that the snapd is still old and does not have  the fixes for updating running snaps?
[11:57] <oSoMoN> that's a possibility, although it sounds unlikely, because snapd also updates itself as a snap
[11:57] <oSoMoN> and the version with said fixes has been available in the store for a few weeks already
[11:59] <jbicha> good morning
[11:59] <oSoMoN> hey jbicha
[12:02] <luna__> hey
[12:07] <seb128> jbicha, hey, how are you?
[12:07] <seb128> hey luna__, how is it going?
[12:08] <jbicha> good, the fireworks stopped here eventually 🙉 😂
[12:08] <seb128> lol
[12:09] <luna__> having headache and cold so translating some GNOME and XFCE to Swedish and laying in bed and relaxing
[12:09] <seb128> :(
[12:09] <seb128> get better!
[12:09] <seb128> jbicha, as a FYI, I fixed gtk4 translations harder, they seem fine now, could you handle the SRU?
[12:10] <seb128> jbicha, also I sorted out version that you broken by removing chromium-browser from the definitions, the snap report need the entry since it also displays the upstream versions
[12:11] <jbicha> yes, yesterday's gtk4/jammy caused a few upgrade complaints. Hopefully, the apt in proposed fixes it. We'll make sure that lands before we push gtk4 to -updates again. bug 1980667
[12:12] <seb128> jbicha, we shouldn't block SRUs on apt being buggy
[12:13] <seb128> there are different way to deal with that
[12:13] <jbicha> odds are that the apt SRU will reach -updates first anyway
[12:13] <seb128> even if not, we shouldn't delay our SRUs based on that
[12:14] <seb128> but that SRU doesn't really need to migrate anyway, we can block-proposed or even delete it once it's in proposed
[12:14] <seb128> we just need the upload for launchpad to enable the translations. Sadly there is no way to upload the template manually if it doesn't exist yet
[12:15] <jbicha> there's a new gtk 4.6.6 :)
[12:21] <seb128> jbicha, well that's up to you but don't delay the translation fix more than needed please
[12:21] <seb128> also same line of thinking
[12:22] <seb128> we can block-proposed the update if needed, it will gave us what we need for langpack without migrating
[14:19] <KGB-0> gnome-calculator pristine-tar 6226cf0 Nathan Pratta Teodosio gnome-calculator_42.2.orig.tar.xz.delta gnome-calculator_42.2.orig.tar.xz.id * pristine-tar data for gnome-calculator_42.2.orig.tar.xz * https://deb.li/GzvI
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[14:55] <KGB-0> gnome-remote-desktop pristine-tar a208405 Nathan Pratta Teodosio gnome-remote-desktop_42.3.orig.tar.xz.delta gnome-remote-desktop_42.3.orig.tar.xz.id * pristine-tar data for gnome-remote-desktop_42.3.orig.tar.xz * https://deb.li/Rh2s
[18:15] <KGB-0> gtk4 signed tags aa472bd Jeremy Bicha ubuntu/4.6.6+ds-1ubuntu1 * gtk4 Debian release 4.6.6+ds-1ubuntu1 * https://deb.li/3bHSM
[18:16] <KGB-2> gtk4 ubuntu/jammy 9628ba9 Jeremy Bicha * pushed 66 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/3gwQy
[18:16] <KGB-2> gtk4 ubuntu/jammy 09a0151 Matthias Clasen gtk/gtktext.c * Remove an assertion that we hit * https://deb.li/36tUE
[18:16] <KGB-2> gtk4 ubuntu/jammy 1860da7 Sebastian Keller gtk/a11y/gtkatspicontext.c * a11y: Realize GtkStackPage parent context before trying to get a ref * https://deb.li/xsVn
[18:17] <KGB-2> gtk4 ubuntu/jammy 92b6c59 Matthias Clasen gdk/wayland/ cursor/wayland-cursor.c gdkcursor-wayland.c * Merge branch 'wayland-cursor-scale-for-4-6' into 'gtk-4-6' * https://deb.li/3KtK7
[18:17] <KGB-2> gtk4 ubuntu/jammy 986fd99 Matthias Clasen gtk/gtktext.c * Merge branch 'blink-assertion-for-4-6' into 'gtk-4-6' * https://deb.li/vp3U
[18:17] <KGB-2> gtk4 ubuntu/jammy 91d2e1b Matthias Clasen gtk/a11y/gtkatspicontext.c * Merge branch 'stackpage-fix-for-4-6' into 'gtk-4-6' * https://deb.li/3sSJF
[18:23] <KGB-2> gtk4 ubuntu/jammy 509d2a4 Jeremy Bicha * pushed 20 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/ixfv4
[18:23] <KGB-2> gtk4 ubuntu/jammy 69b1b4d Hugo Parente Lima gtk/gtkstack.c * Fix introspection annotation for gtk_stack_get_page * https://deb.li/4kNg
[18:23] <KGB-2> gtk4 ubuntu/jammy c96113e Matthias Clasen (18 files in 2 dirs) * Fix ui files to work for translations * https://deb.li/3jdEl
[18:23] <KGB-2> gtk4 ubuntu/jammy 3594df7 Matthias Clasen (18 files in 2 dirs) * Merge branch 'fix-ui-file-translation' into 'gtk-4-6' * https://deb.li/Yhxx
[18:23] <KGB-2> gtk4 ubuntu/jammy 94b47ce Matthias Clasen gtk/gtkstack.c * Merge branch 'fix-gtk-stack-get-page-annotation' into 'gtk-4-6' * https://deb.li/3BGeE
[18:23] <KGB-2> gtk4 ubuntu/jammy 56607e8 Carlos Garnacho gdk/wayland/gdkapplaunchcontext-wayland.c * gdk/wayland: Dispatch GdkAppLaunchContext activation token in its own queue * https://deb.li/Z9g4
[19:15] <KGB-2> gnome-calculator ubuntu/master e9a1a96 Jeremy Bicha * pushed 11 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/3FwUE
[19:15] <KGB-2> gnome-calculator ubuntu/master 849ca86 Robert Roth src/ math-variable-popover.vala ui/math-variable-popover.ui * Fixed crash on variable name entry (fixes #282) * https://deb.li/Qa70
[19:15] <KGB-2> gnome-calculator ubuntu/master 3b065df Gianvito Cavasoli po/it.po * Update Italian translation * https://deb.li/3DQB2
[19:16] <KGB-2> gnome-calculator ubuntu/master 86deeb0 Robert Roth lib/currency-provider.vala * Remove unnecessary problematic XML parser cleanup call (fixes #283) * https://deb.li/V6fi
[19:16] <KGB-2> gnome-calculator ubuntu/master d5924a1 Robert Roth lib/math-equation.vala * Do not add history on bit toggle (fixes #281) * https://deb.li/3TE3h
[19:16] <KGB-2> gnome-calculator ubuntu/master f8f5ae6 Robert Roth NEWS data/org.gnome.Calculator.appdata.xml.in meson.build * Prepared release 42.2 * https://deb.li/LEFn


[04:58] <hangar18> does anybody have any experience with the program called QtQR? it's in the software center for Kubuntu (not sure if it's available in all software centers for all distros)


[00:01] <stgraber> bdmurray: indeed, I need to go fix the script on limequat so that it runs again. I'll do that tomorrow
[00:07] <bdmurray> stgraber: well rolling out the new version would be ideal
[00:09] <stgraber> bdmurray: yeah, I'll run it from the db account while waiting for the next code update on the server
[02:15] <stgraber> bdmurray: hmm, did you manage to run the current python script from the branch on your machine?
[02:16] <stgraber> bdmurray: I'm trying to run it on limequat and I'm getting quite a few errors mostly around the raw SQL that was between simples " instead of """ and then later on in the code (still fixing the issues as they appear)
[02:17] <bdmurray> stgraber: How could I test it?
[02:17] <stgraber> bdmurray: I think most of these errors would have appeared even without a working database
[02:18] <bdmurray> stgraber: Okay, I can work on it more tomorrow then
[02:18] <stgraber> bdmurray: I think I'm almost done with the fixes, last one is:
[02:18] <stgraber> >>> from launchpadlib import LPNET_SERVICE_ROOT
[02:18] <stgraber> ImportError: cannot import name LPNET_SERVICE_ROOT
[02:18] <stgraber> hmm, >>> from launchpadlib.launchpad import LPNET_SERVICE_ROOT
[02:19] <stgraber> actually but same result
[02:19] <stgraber> ok, found it (I think), testing
[02:20] <bdmurray> maybe launchpadlib.uris
[02:21] <bdmurray> dinner here bbiab
[02:22] <stgraber> yeah, .uris did the trick
[02:48] <stgraber> bdmurray: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/914794
[02:48] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 914794 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Gdk-CRITICAL errors output when updating from command line (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,Confirmed]
[02:48] <stgraber> bdmurray: I tested the code on this one
[02:55] <stgraber> bdmurray: pushed the changes to the branch and re-enabled the cron on limequat using the new code
[02:57] <stgraber> bdmurray: looking at that script again, I really need to find some time to clean it up ... it should be working for now but I see hundreds of corner cases where a part or another of that script is going to fail
[02:58] <stgraber> bdmurray: anyway, thanks for your changes, you should see bug comments appear in the next few hours for existing bugs
[03:53] <stgraber> bdmurray: looking at my e-mail notifications, I think having the script set the subject is a bit annoying (I'm used to see the bug's title instead), maybe we should change that?
[03:53] <stgraber> anyway, enough poking at the ISO tracker for today :)
[04:23] <bdmurray> stgraber: you are used to seeing the bug's title because almost everybody uses the web interface to comment and that just happens to use the bug's title.  Having a standard subject would allow people a way to filter away those messages.  Honestly, I'm indifferent though
[09:17] <rickspencer3> jibel, gema good morning! could one of you link me to the upgrade testing blueprint if/when you get a chance?
[09:19] <jibel> rickspencer3, good morning. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-p-lts-upgrades
[09:20] <jibel> mvo, do you know how to configure squid-deb-proxy to not cache *tar.gz and *.tar.gz.gpg ?
[09:20] <rickspencer3> thanks jibel
[09:20] <jibel> mvo, there are test failures because it fails to validate the upgrader tarball
[09:24] <mvo> jibel: hm, odd, let me look
[09:26] <jibel> mvo, for example https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Precise%20Upgrade%20Testing%20Dashboard/job/precise-upgrade-i386/PROFILE=universe-i386,label=aldebaran-upgrade/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/universe-i386/bootstrap.log
[09:26] <jibel> "Authenticating the upgrade failed. There may be a problem with the network or with the server."
[09:26] <jibel> I removed the proxy and it pass
[09:28] <mvo> jibel: could you please try adding "refresh_pattern tar.gz$ 0 0% 0" and the same for tar.gz.gpg$ ?
[09:29] <jibel> mvo, k
[09:29] <jibel> mvo, I'll let the current run finish just to make sure there's nothing broken and will retry with this settign
[09:30] <mvo> thanks
[09:31] <jibel> mvo, ah there's this setting already "refresh_pattern tar.gz$  129600 100% 129600" I think that's the culprit
[09:32] <jibel> squid must be downloading the gpg key but uses the tarball from the cache
[09:35] <mvo> yeah
[09:36] <mvo> jibel: I wonder if we can add a " dist-upgrader-all/current/.*tar.gz$" pattern with 0 0% 0 to prevent that apt-get source stuff is uncached
[09:40] <jibel> mvo, I excluded all tar.gz from the cache. the main concern is caching deb files, fetching a couple of tar files won't hurt.
[09:41]  * mvo nods
[09:41] <jibel> ah more stable builds this morning thanks to stgraber
[16:13] <bdmurray> stgraber: Do you think we should change the subject of the ISO tracker comment?
[16:16] <patdk-wk> whoa, topic updated
[16:19] <stgraber> bdmurray: I think it'd be less confusing for people reading their bug mail and seeing 50 or so e-mails with "ISO tracker notification" as the subject
[16:20] <stgraber> bdmurray: I usually do an early filtering of my bug inbox and having all of them with the same title makes that difficult as I need to read them to find the actual bug title
[16:20] <bdmurray> stgraber: the subject also contains the bug number but okay
[16:22] <stgraber> bdmurray: right, though I'm not that good at remembering bug numbers :) I think the sender is already a clear enough indication that it's an ISO tracker notification.
[16:27] <bdmurray> stgraber: okay, pushed
[16:28] <bdmurray> stgraber: I noticed that get_list in the xml rpc interface returns some linaro bugs too
[16:28] <bdmurray> stgraber: is there some way to filter other than milestone?
[16:31] <stgraber> bdmurray: oh, sounds like a bug. I'll have a look. It should filter based on what URL you're using (iso.qa.ubuntu.com shouldn't return bugs for iso.qa.linaro.org or whatever their URL is nowadays)
[16:33] <bdmurray> stgraber: it looks like $site isn't used in the query
[16:33] <stgraber> bdmurray: yeah, I'll fix xmlrpc/qatracker.xmlrpc.bugs.php
[16:33] <bdmurray> stgraber: cool, thanks
[16:35] <stgraber> bdmurray: do you have an example? so I can check that my fix works
[16:35] <bdmurray> stgraber: bug 660604
[16:35] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 660604 in linux-linaro "Linaro images should utilize EDID (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 5)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/660604
[16:38] <stgraber> bdmurray: ok, fixed in the branch. I'll update the lp-integration.py script on limequat, fix a few more bugs and ask IS to update the PHP code too
[16:40] <bdmurray> stgraber: Do you know how lp-integration stopped working?
[16:41] <stgraber> bdmurray: no, the cronjob was still correct when I looked yesterday. Might have been an LP authentication issue that broke it at some point, I did a clean authentication yesterday to get a new .cred file
[16:41] <bdmurray> stgraber: oh, it was probably edge vs production
[16:42] <stgraber> that sounds likely indeed
[16:51] <bdmurray> stgraber: thanks for your help
[16:51] <stgraber> np
[17:05] <bdmurray> stgraber: okay, this is interesting.  bug 517992 got tagged by the tracker but it seems that is not the reporter's bug
[17:05] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 517992 in debian-installer (Ubuntu) ""No kernel modules were found." message from Lucid powerpc alternate cd. (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/517992
[17:05] <bdmurray> as they were testing xubuntu i386
[17:05] <bdmurray> with precise
[17:07] <stgraber> bdmurray: yeah, seems like gridcube picked an old bug instead of filing a new one for precise
[17:07] <bdmurray> so removing the tag from the old bug seems right but what about contacting this person?
[17:07] <stgraber> the "no kernel" error is fairly standard when d-i and the seeded kernel are out of sync
[17:08] <stgraber> IIRC gridcube is Xubuntu's QA guy and is fairly often on IRC
[17:09] <stgraber> bdmurray: are you an admin on iso.qa.ubuntu.com? if so, you probably should unlink these reports to the bug before untaging it or it'll get tagged again
[17:09] <stgraber> oh yeah, you should be as you are in ~ubuntu-qa-website-devel
[17:09] <stgraber> ah but I thought it was a good idea to prevent modifying the history, so no you can't change them...
[17:10] <stgraber> bdmurray: do you know if there's a way to know if a bug was tagged with a given tag in the past? so we can avoid re-tagging a bug that was manually untagged?
[17:10] <bdmurray> stgraber: yeah there is a way but you have to parse the activity log :-(
[17:11] <bdmurray> stgraber: I'll whip something up
[17:13] <stgraber> k. Out to grab something for lunch, will be back in a bit
[17:20] <jibel> mvo, I spend few hours today on bug 917173 . I found other bugs but was unable to reproduce it.
[17:20] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 917173 in update-manager (Ubuntu Precise) (and 1 other project) "lucid -> precise upgrade failed: Resolver failed to calculate the upgrade - dpkg-dev held back (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/917173
[17:20] <jibel> mvo, I think it is related to multiarch but cannot find what's wrong
[17:21] <jibel> mvo, at the top there should be a something like 'installing libc6 as depends of multiarch' but there isn't
[17:22] <jibel> for some reason installation of libc6 is deferred and breaks the upgrade of libc6-i686
[17:22] <jibel> "  libc6-i686:i386 PreDepends on libc6 [ i386 ] < 2.11.1-0ubuntu7.8 -> 2.13-24ubuntu2 > ( libs ) (= 2.11.1-0ubuntu7.8) can't be satisfied!"
[17:22] <bdmurray> stgraber: actually it'd be rather involved to find out if the tag was removed - plus it could have been accidental.  I'd rather make the script respect the bot-stop-nagging tag
[17:23] <stgraber> bdmurray: hmm, indeed, removing iso-testing + adding bot-stop-nagging sounds good and is easy to check
[17:23] <bdmurray> stgraber: right, I'll make that change
[17:31] <bdmurray> GridCube: hey we were just talking about bug 517992 which you reported on the iso tracker.  It'd be better if you were to report a new bug.
[17:31] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 517992 in debian-installer (Ubuntu) ""No kernel modules were found." message from Lucid powerpc alternate cd. (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/517992
[17:34] <GridCube> oh, okay, i reported it back in the day because it seemed just like a standard mistake (like it was) so i did not see a need for a new report, i mean it  was just a silly mistake after all
[17:35] <GridCube> because the tracker wont allow me to put it as failed without a bug
[17:36] <bdmurray> the message no kernel modules found can appear for multiple reasons though and that was powerpc specific
[17:36] <bdmurray> that's why a new bug would be best
[17:36] <bdmurray> stgraber: bot-stop-nagging change pushed
[17:41] <GridCube> ok :) will do next time i find it again
[17:52] <stgraber> bdmurray: branch updated on limequat
[20:20] <mvo> jibel: oh, didn't you write in the bugreport that you can reproduce it every day?
[20:32] <jibel> mvo, I did. There's a vm ready with the bug. we can look at it tomorrow if you wish, I'm off for today.
[20:33] <mvo> jibel: ok
[20:33]  * mvo waves goodnight
[20:33] <jibel> mvo, good night o/
[22:12] <AlanBell> yup, that works :)
[22:13] <pangolin> works
[22:14] <balloons> good show
[22:50] <txomon|home> balloons, I read the mail
[22:50] <balloons> hello
[22:51] <balloons> yea, my mini novel?
[22:51] <txomon|home> did you read mine? Don't need an answer
[22:51] <txomon|home> yep ;D
[22:51] <balloons> I did.. since your here we can discuss a bit
[22:51] <txomon|home> Do you have more information about the autotesting sofware?
[22:51] <txomon|home> software*
[22:51] <txomon|home> oki
[22:52] <txomon|home> First of all, I want to say that my primary goals are:
[22:52] <txomon|home> 1) To be made in a home network
[22:52] <txomon|home> 2) To be the most easy to configure
[22:53] <txomon|home> 3) to speed up the installation of the server an packages as posible
[22:53] <txomon|home> those are the primary goals
[22:53] <txomon|home> I meant the installation of the OS
[22:53] <txomon|home> and packages
[22:55] <txomon|home> jibel, what means o/ ? I thought it was hello, but I've seen it in too many contexts ...
[22:56] <balloons> txomon|home, ok, I got it
[22:56] <balloons> and then
[22:56] <balloons> 4) to automatically execute tests?
[22:56] <txomon|home> yes
[22:56] <txomon|home> that was implied ;)
[22:57] <txomon|home> but I didn't get there yet
[22:57] <txomon|home> Making the installation of fresh systems in 4 minutes/ 5 minutes was the main goal
[22:57] <balloons> gotcha
[22:57] <txomon|home> (at the end, the most part of the time is spent in the installation)
[22:57] <balloons> did you look at the tools page on the wiki
[22:58] <balloons> let me see if I can find it
[22:58] <balloons> i'm not sure pts will do what you want, but I would try it if for nothing else than an excuse to do so
[22:58] <balloons> also it may be worthwhile to have a conversation with some of the orchestra folks to see what it might offer. I know you tried it and find it too much, but you might just be able to use cobbler
[22:59] <txomon|home> balloons, I really tried hard with cobbler
[22:59] <txomon|home> but it was very... complicated to me
[22:59]  * balloons has no experience with cobbler sadly
[23:00] <txomon|home> I know that with a little help I would have had it running, but as I didn't get any support, I started on what I knew
[23:00] <balloons> i am most interested in your project however. if you can get a nice solution put together, I'm sure there are others who would want to replicate it :-)
[23:00] <txomon|home> what cobbler gives, is really a lot more that what I need
[23:01] <balloons> that is true
[23:01] <txomon|home> which has a real inpact in the points 1) and 2)
[23:01] <balloons> i should re-read your mail again
[23:02] <txomon|home> my idea was to install *just* the necessary. I am not very confident in apache installs
[23:02] <txomon|home> don't worry, I am here now ;)
[23:02] <balloons> my thoughts are now along the lines of having a local mirror and pxe booting the boxes
[23:02] <balloons> of course, then what.. heh
[23:03] <txomon|home> cobbler I am sure it is a very good solution to deployment in complicated frameworks... but my solution intends to be the minimal
[23:03] <txomon|home> mine tooo
[23:03] <txomon|home> too*
[23:04] <txomon|home> I started developing them as part of a _rescue_ system for a office I am the admin from (don't know if this is said in a good way)
[23:04] <balloons> it's interesting because of the physical nature of things
[23:05] <balloons> in the cloud, this wouldn't be such an issue
[23:05] <balloons> :-)
[23:05] <txomon|home> but I realized that it would be a benefit for any application in which you needed to install many systems, regularly
[23:06] <txomon|home> agree with that "cloud" thing
[23:07] <txomon|home> but, the cloud means somewhere, and there, would be nearly for sure more usefull orchestra
[23:07] <txomon|home> I am trying to create a pxe image that gives you the ability to install _any_ system, debian, fedora, ubuntu (or at least, in the same distro, different options)
[23:08] <txomon|home> in that way, you wouldn't need to create different profiles
[23:09] <txomon|home> (I am thinking on cobbler)
[23:09] <txomon|home> what I can sure you, is that using apt-cacher-ng + pxe is a *very* *high* boost in testing
[23:10] <txomon|home> at least, in installation in real hardware
[23:10] <txomon|home> if you are using VM, just apt-cacher-ng would be perfect
[23:11] <txomon|home> its a shame that normal CDs don't allow you to specify mirror (<-- haven't seen it, thought, I am going to check that now)
[23:11] <balloons> ahh yes
[23:12] <balloons> i know the debian netboot cds do
[23:12] <balloons> i was going to make a one cd to rule them all cd.. aka, netboot cd that would grab the latest ubuntu version and install it
[23:12] <balloons> maybe give a choice for development or stable or lts
[23:13] <txomon|home> netboot gives the option to mirror
[23:13] <txomon|home> dont know about standard CDs
[23:14] <txomon|home> I have chosen apt-cacher-ng because: 1) doesn't need configuring 2) doesn't install anything weird, more than itself
[23:14] <txomon|home> squid-proxy was a little more complicated to me
[23:15] <txomon|home> I read about apt-cacher-ng and I thought that would be a nice solution
[23:16] <txomon|home> for example, my solution, as I have a NAS in the home network, is to mount a NAS folder in /var/cache/apt-cacher-ng, and in that way, I can save space in my laptop, and If really needed grab packages installing the apt-cacher-ng in another computer
[23:17] <txomon|home> but that is for me
[23:20] <balloons> ohh.. having a nas does make that cool
[23:21] <balloons> it's always bad when your home server doubles as something else
[23:21] <balloons> eek
[23:21] <txomon|home> but that is not an usual home network
[23:21] <txomon|home> that is why I didn't include it in my solution
[23:22] <txomon|home> but the idea is the same
[23:22] <balloons> yes, I don't have a nas
[23:22] <txomon|home> you can make a hdd be mounted in that location throw fstab etc.
[23:22] <balloons> yep, same story
[23:22] <txomon|home> there are lots of solutions
[23:22] <txomon|home> or using the computers storage, normal disks
[23:23] <txomon|home> at the end, you are to use that space when installing ;D
[23:23] <balloons> so I think I will re-read your post and try and dump some thoughts via IRC or mail tomorrow.. For now, the stomach is growling!
[23:23] <txomon|home> haha
[23:24] <txomon|home> I am happy to see someone thought about the idea of having various distros/versions available in the same cD
[23:24] <txomon|home> CD *
[23:24] <balloons> i can say if you want I can help connect you with some folks who do know about cobbler.. the other stuff I'll have to think on
[23:24] <txomon|home> oki
[23:24] <balloons> ohh yea.. i tried to make a starcraft live cd once too
[23:24] <txomon|home> hahah
[23:24] <balloons> it was a cool concept
[23:24] <balloons> boot live ubuntu, preinstalled wine and sc
[23:25] <txomon|home> well, the idea was not that difficult in theory
[23:25] <txomon|home> I had to add a pair of things more and modify the configuration
[23:25] <txomon|home> but... where to touch is the difficult thing ;D
[23:25] <balloons> anyways, food calls. have a wonderful evening.. just know your not alone on the radical ideas front
[23:25] <txomon|home> oki
[23:26] <txomon|home> so have a full happy meal :)
[23:26] <txomon|home> filling*


[00:02] <_MMA_> SealV: No no. Getting it installed. --force-arch and all.
[00:04] <SealV> eh? I didn't do that I just used the packages from the /universe/lpiabinary
[01:01] <SealV> *&% why is emerald such a frozen turd? I am glad the compiz people are dropping it
[01:03] <_MMA_> They are re-writing it IIRC.
[01:09] <SealV> nah.. clean replace w/ backwards compat called Jasper
[12:40] <Nece228> Hi
[12:41] <Nece228> i want to make my arch linux look like ubuntu
[12:41] <Nece228> but some human icons like sound file icon or appearance icon is missing - instead of human icon it uses gnome icon
[12:42] <Nece228> i copied ubuntu human from ubuntu intrepid which is with gnome 2.24.1 and i have arch gnome 2.24.3
[12:42] <Nece228> i tried to copy ubuntu's gnome theme to arch's but it doesnt affect anything
[12:47] <Nece228> any clues?


[13:34] <caodepalha> hi everyone! does anyone know how to get the line6 gx tone direct external soundcard working on ubuntu studio. the sound card appearon the sound / hardware settings but i still cant hear any sounds. thanks
[14:00] <caodepalha> does anyone know how to get the line 6 gx tone direct soundcard working on ubuntustudio? the gx soundcard appears on the settings but still i can hear any sounds...
[14:11] <holstein> caodepalha: ideally, line6 would officially support linux, and you could ask them
[14:11] <holstein> !proaudio
[14:11] <holstein> ^^ i would try just normal audio troubleshooting.. what i would do would look something like this...
[14:13] <holstein> plug it in to the machine directly, not in a USB hub.. i would try and determine IRQ sharing issues if needed by looking at (in a terminal) "cat /proc/interrupts"
[14:14] <holstein> then, i would try "aplay -l" and "arecord -l" and maybe "lsusb" to see that the operating system and alsa are able to see the device and is at least trying to provide a driver
[14:14] <holstein> then,, i would just fire up qjackctl, and select *all* possible devices there (from both dropdown menus)
[14:15] <holstein> sometimes, there can be 6 or 8 combinations to try there, and if im worried or concerned about messing up my current installation, i'll use a live CD to test the actual device with JACK via qjackctl
[14:15] <holstein> if its an option, i will disable the onboard sound card in the bios
[14:16] <holstein> then, i would move on from there, if i cant get the device working.. i would search "ubuntu the exact model" and "debian the exact model" and "linux the exact model" and see if i can find literally anyone using theis device in any way with any distro


[19:36] <pavlushka> ahoy ZA!
[19:39] <pavlushka> today I am very responsive on IRC instead because I need to be responsive else where
[19:39]  * pavlushka procrastinating again


[09:01] <MooDoo> howdy all
[09:04] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:04] <MooDoo> howdy brobostigon
[09:05] <brobostigon> hi MooDoo
[10:03] <SuperMatt> morning reprobates
[10:03] <MooDoo> howdy SuperMatt
[10:04]  * SuperMatt tips hat
[10:05] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: new job ok
[10:05] <MooDoo> ?
[10:05] <SuperMatt> yeah, it's going well
[10:05] <SuperMatt> lots of learning to do
[10:05] <SuperMatt> because there's a lot of insanely clever stuff going on here
[10:07] <MooDoo> awesome
[10:28] <czajkowski> ola
[11:29] <awilkins> Gnnnnneh, Seahorse really needs fixing to tell you that it's generating a key
[11:29] <awilkins> It just drops out at the end of the dialog and doesn't tell you anything... so gpg2 is sat inthe background because your entropy pool is empty doing nothing
[11:31]  * awilkins installs `randomsound`
[11:36] <awilkins> Ok, now it has a plentify supply of real entropy on /dev/random, it's still just sitting there in the background
[11:43] <foobarry> redhat reverted their spectre microcode update
[11:43] <foobarry> due to instability
[11:44] <foobarry> now saying get it yerself
[11:44] <awilkins> Oh frabgious joy
[11:45] <SuperMatt> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmFFvvW5yuM
[11:45] <SuperMatt> lava lamp entropy
[11:46] <awilkins> Heh, I like randomsound because you can install it on any hardware with a soundcard and get entropy for free (apart from not being able to do a webconf while it's generating)
[11:47] <awilkins> not sure it's working well though
[11:47] <MooDoo> windows users - https://www.grc.com/inspectre.htm
[11:47] <awilkins> My entropy pool seems to be depleting but gpg2 isn't producing that little line of crosses it usually does (well, as far as I can tell from rumours)
[11:48] <awilkins> Randomsound definitely working because if I cat /dev/random it keeps coming (and my entropy_avail stat drops correspondingly and fills up when I stop it)
[13:53] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/musalbas/status/953066939001311232
[16:44] <brobostigon> afternoon boys and girls.
[16:44] <daftykins> \o
[16:44] <daftykins> sheesh long one today installing windows on an iMac for a client... no really
[16:47] <brobostigon> o/
[16:53] <zmoylan-pi> and remember to put a dos icon on the windows desktop. emulate all the way down... :-)
[16:57] <daftykins> people used to joke about Windows Time, but have you seen Apple progress bars? "about 45 minutes remaining" means triple it :D
[17:01] <daftykins> i almost typed out a point by point of what went wrong, but i think you all should be spared that :)
[17:01] <daftykins> on the plus side, you can cycle off and get a lot done in the time it takes to do an OS upgrade on a mac ;D
[17:01] <SuperMatt> Macos is just as bad as windows these days
[17:01] <SuperMatt> they keep adding features, but not bug fixing
[17:02] <daftykins> oh far far worse, they recently had that root password bypass
[17:02] <SuperMatt> I've got one of the new macs, thanks to my new job, and it's got a cool finger print feature
[17:02] <SuperMatt> You'd think that they'd update all their built in password dialogues to use it
[17:03] <SuperMatt> but it's a mismash of some using it, and some not
[17:03] <daftykins> is that on the touch bar models?
[17:03] <SuperMatt> yup
[17:03] <daftykins> mmm even real fans seem to be groaning at how bad the OS quality control is going
[17:03] <daftykins> only care about their cash-cow phones and tablets, i imagine
[17:04] <SuperMatt> I found an issue that was just laugable, which hasn't been fixed for ages
[17:04] <SuperMatt> if you use three finger swipe to move between virtual desktops, you get a cool "over swipe" effect where the last desktop keeps scrolling and all you see is back
[17:04] <SuperMatt> I guess it's there to show you that you're on the last desktop and there are no more
[17:05] <SuperMatt> you can achieve the same thing with ctrl+left and ctrl+right
[17:05] <SuperMatt> however if you scroll to the right that way and reach the end, it shows the "over swipe" effect on the wrong side of the screen!
[17:12] <SuperMatt> I'm going to upgrade this machine to high seirra soon, I'll see if it suffers from the same problem, but I find it remarkable that it didn't fail quality checks
[17:24] <daftykins> :D
[17:24] <daftykins> sounds quirky, is that happening with El Capitan at the moment then?
[17:24] <daftykins> i can barely keep up with their release names now
[17:25] <SuperMatt> Sierra is mainline-1
[17:25] <SuperMatt> High Sierra is the latest
[17:25] <SuperMatt> I'm on Sierra
[17:25] <daftykins> ah yes El Cap must be 10.11
[17:25] <SuperMatt> I mean, who needsnames that are easy to track?
[17:25] <SuperMatt> Sounds about right
[17:26] <daftykins> my main clients ditched their old 2010 models at long last, they didn't really know their way around them
[17:26] <SuperMatt> If only there was an operating system that named and numbered their releases in such a way that they're easy to track
[17:26] <SuperMatt> Maybe move through the alphabet for the codename, and have the year and month as the version number
[17:26] <SuperMatt> it'll never catch on
[17:27] <daftykins> and users remembered to put 0's in the right place when referring to them ;D
[17:27] <SuperMatt> One of my gripes is people saying "I've just installed Ubuntu 17"
[17:27] <daftykins> :S agreed
[17:27] <SuperMatt> But then, why would most people think minor version numbers matter?
[17:27] <daftykins> especially for the non-LTS angle in that case
[17:28] <daftykins> yeah i think it was a fair while before i even realised it was year.month
[20:38] <directhex> daftykins: the coffee machine in this microsoft office seems to be suffering fro microsoft time. every day, the progress bar on coffee goes a bit less far before it finishes. right now it fills to about 20% before finishing
[20:38] <directhex> it doesn't make less coffee, it's just the bar declares finished at 20%
[20:38] <directhex> gets worse daily
[20:39] <daftykins> :D
[20:39] <daftykins> what's the brand?
[20:39] <zmoylan-pi> this is a tea channel!! :-)
[20:39] <daftykins> never :O
[20:40] <directhex> daftykins: http://www.vkitech.com/products2.html


[12:14] <m4sk1n> hello, can anyone answer my basic questions about testing gtk applications with autopilot?


[02:00] <RAOF> <kenvandine[m] "RAOFyour message finally hit my "> That's an unusually long delay!
[02:01] <kenvandine> Wow
[02:03] <RAOF> matrix.org is sometimes a bit overloaded, but 8 hours is a bit much :)
[06:01] <didrocks> good morning
[06:07] <duflu> Morning didrocks
[06:07] <duflu> Long time no see/hear
[06:08] <duflu>  /read
[06:09] <didrocks> hey duflu :)
[06:59] <Laney> yoooooooooooooooooooooo
[07:00] <didrocks> hey Laney
[07:00] <didrocks> how is GUADEC?
[07:00] <Laney> hey didrocks
[07:00] <Laney> it's HOT HOT HOT
[07:01] <didrocks> not unexpected for this part of Greece I guess :)
[07:01] <Laney> but quite nice talks
[07:02] <didrocks> great, is it still core days or now the unconference part?
[07:05] <Laney> unconference now
[07:05] <didrocks> first day?
[07:06] <didrocks> looks like it
[07:06] <didrocks> enjoy :)
[07:07] <didrocks> and give a hug to clobrano_ & frederikf[m] for me
[07:07] <jibel> hi didrocks and all
[07:08] <jibel> welcome back didrocks
[07:09] <didrocks> salut jibel
[07:09] <didrocks> merci :)
[07:16] <Laney> yep, gtk bof now!
[07:16] <Laney> didrocks: did you have a good holiday?
[07:18] <didrocks> Laney: was great, thanks! Not really relaxing with Martin running everywhere, but good to change from your daily routine :)
[07:18] <didrocks> and yours, before going back hard to work?
[07:18] <Laney> :D
[07:18] <Laney> yes was good, lots of swimming in the sea / surfing
[07:19] <didrocks> nice :)
[07:26] <seb128> gooodd morning desktopers
[07:26] <seb128> conf wifi doesn't work great for me :/
[07:26] <seb128> looks like the channel is back to be active today, some people back from holidays :)
[07:27] <didrocks> hey seb128, I hope you enjoyed GUADEC (conf part)
[07:28] <seb128> lut didrocks, GUADEC conf was nice, nice talks format and good content
[07:28] <seb128> how were your holidays?
[07:31] <didrocks> good, nothing exciting, but great to change from daily routine, thanks
[07:38] <clobrano> morning all 0/
[07:38] <didrocks> hey clobrano
[07:38] <clobrano> I was apparently in a muted mode for the last week :D
[07:39] <didrocks> yeah, as long as you are not logged on freenode, the channel mutes for preventing spam
[07:39] <clobrano> I see
[07:40] <clobrano> I think my client lost permission and automatically switched to the second nickname which is not registered
[07:40] <duflu> Morning Laney, jibel, seb128, clobrano
[07:41] <seb128> hey clobrano duflu :)
[07:41] <RAOF> ello duflu, Laney, seb128, didrocks et al!
[07:41] <didrocks> hey RAOF
[07:41] <duflu> Morning/something RAOF
[07:41] <clobrano> hey seb, I would wave you in the room, but it'd look weird for the others :D
[07:41] <clobrano> hi duflu
[07:48] <duflu> Hmm, mutter grew from 800 to 1400 targets over the weekend
[07:48] <duflu> I guess a lot has changed
[08:22] <seb128> Trevinho, no reason tracker should be stacked with the rest of the transition
[08:22] <Trevinho> ok
[08:23] <ricotz> hey desktopers :)
[08:24] <Laney> trying to make bileto happy enough to let me copy it
[08:25] <Laney> to be fair it did notice that some uploads happened to eoan
[08:31] <Trevinho> yeah, iirc if it fails just copy back all the src files not in eoan yet... not actually nice though
[09:07] <Laney> nah, things needed re-uploading
[09:07] <Laney> looks good now though, I could push the button
[09:08] <Laney> doing
[09:15] <jibel> marcustomlinson, Hi, livefs fails to build because
[09:15] <jibel> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[09:16] <jibel>  libreoffice-help-common : Depends: libjs-normalize.css but it is not installable
[09:16] <jibel> marcustomlinson, are you on the case?
[09:16] <jibel> there is no MIR for node-normalize.css
[09:16] <jibel> on eoan that is
[09:27] <jibel> marcustomlinson, nvm found bug 1841209
[10:48] <marcustomlinson> jibel: the fix for that is in proposed already
[10:48] <marcustomlinson> jibel: the dependancy removed
[10:49]  * marcustomlinson disappears again
[10:50] <jibel> marcustomlinson, right thanks. it's just slow to migrate to release
[10:57] <Laney> yeah we've been looking into the problems there
[13:39] <GunnarHj> cyphermox: Hi Mathieu, can you please take a look at bug #1800794 and also on the related discourse thread at https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/12319 .
[13:39] <GunnarHj> * Do you have time to do anything for eoan?
[13:39] <GunnarHj> * Thoughts on the need to keep the patch going forward?
[13:53] <cyphermox> I certainly won't have time to look into that, and yes, the patch is needed. It shouldn't be too too hard to add whatever new features landed in the TCL version since, or see if there was an appropriate rewrite of everything to C or C++
[13:53] <cyphermox> the issue isn't just main, but also tcl in the boot path
[14:24] <GunnarHj> cyphermox: Ok, I see. The dilemma, I suppose, is the lack of contributors with the sufficient skill and time and interest to do it.
[14:30] <cyphermox> it doesn't take much skill, this is all trivial C with no extra libraries
[14:30] <cyphermox> time, sure
[14:30] <GunnarHj> cyphermox: Ideally we should convince upstream to use standard TCL, I suppose.
[14:32] <cyphermox> well, I think they switched so you could possibly compile that tcl into a binary, that may or may not help
[14:32] <GunnarHj> cyphermox: Maybe worth a try.
[14:32] <cyphermox> if it's just a build-dep, and doesn't go pull in random other libraries into the binary, then it's not an issue


[12:17] <nestorac> can you please add me to telegram?
[12:18] <nestorac> I need to create a QSet<String> from a QStringList, I use Qt 5.12 (Focal)
[12:19] <nestorac> I cannot use QSet<String> (iterator first, iterator last), because I don't use Qt 5.14+
 @nestorac Welcome, though I think your question is off-topic here, it is a channel about packaging
 Aah ok sorry
 I have found qt irc channel


[01:47] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[02:43] <pizzaiolo> evening lotuspsychje
[02:43] <lotuspsychje> hey pizzaiolo
[02:43] <lotuspsychje> whats up
[02:44] <pizzaiolo> not sure if this belongs here or in +1 but i'm getting NET::ERR_CERT_COMMON_NAME_INVALID when i go to https://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/408/builds
[02:45] <lotuspsychje> hmm FF doesnt like that link neither here
[02:46] <lotuspsychje> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/408/builds
[02:47] <lotuspsychje> with s pizzaiolo
[02:47] <lotuspsychje> without
[02:49] <daftykins> yeah cert for loco.ubuntu.com being used when it's clearly not that domain
[02:49] <daftykins> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/408/builds non HTTPS is fine
[02:50] <daftykins> oh yeah you said that :>
[02:51] <lotuspsychje> no sweat :p
[02:56] <lotuspsychje> pizzaiolo: testing 20.04 currently?
[02:57] <pizzaiolo> yeah, setting up a vm
[02:57] <lotuspsychje> lemme know when its up n running, got an easy bug to test
[03:03] <sarnold> pizzaiolo: btw where'd you find that https link?
[03:04] <pizzaiolo> topic for +1
[03:04] <pizzaiolo> Daily builds: http://ubottu.com/y/ffdaily
[03:05] <lotuspsychje> sends to http for me
[03:09] <sarnold> do you have https-everywhere installed or similar?
[03:10] <daftykins> that was what i thought of
[03:10]  * lotuspsychje hopes it wont turn to the 'ubuntu doesnt have https everywhere' discussion again :p
[03:11] <daftykins> hehe
[03:11] <daftykins> yeah government actors are intercepting ISO downloads and slipping in malicious code to keylog tinfoil hat wearers
[03:11] <pizzaiolo> well this confirms my suspicions daftykins
[03:11] <pizzaiolo> ;)
[03:11] <lotuspsychje> we dont want a second mint iso hijack
[03:12] <daftykins> xD
[03:12] <daftykins> oh speaking of Mint, you know that sudo vuln that was just fixed? i heard ubuntu didn't use that option as default but Mint did
[03:12] <daftykins> so, sucks to be a Mint user
[03:12] <lotuspsychje> yeah readed that in the article
[03:14] <sarnold> lotuspsychje: this is apparently on a wildcarded-dns-host and letsencrypt won't hand those out which means we'd have to go through something expensive with someone else to get a cert for this site and a lot more effort than just LE :( bugger. heh.
[03:14] <pizzaiolo> would need a SAN cert, right?
[03:15] <lotuspsychje> yeah i recall an explanation for hot https everywhere, byt i keep forgetting it
[03:15] <lotuspsychje> *not
[03:15] <oerheks> misplaced trust.
[03:21] <daftykins> sarnold: do you mean they won't hand out LE certs to corporate? i run a wildcard cert myself :D
[03:22] <daftykins> bit of a pig though, my registrar doesn't hook up with certbot's auto mechanisms, so i have to go in and update a TXT record by hand every 3 months
[03:23] <sarnold> daftykins: no idea, it could just be something on our end? heh
[03:36] <lotuspsychje> bug #1862016 pizzaiolo
[03:43] <pizzaiolo> lotuspsychje SIGSEGV in ply_list_get_last_node()
[03:43] <lotuspsychje> sorry?
[03:43] <lotuspsychje> on your side?
[03:44] <pizzaiolo> yes
[03:44] <lotuspsychje> ah tnx
[03:44] <pizzaiolo> np, good night all
[03:44] <lotuspsychje> can you affect yourself to the bug please, if versions match
[03:44] <pizzaiolo> sure
[03:44] <lotuspsychje> tnx mate
[03:45] <lotuspsychje> the more users we get, the more heat to solve
[07:00] <ducasse> good morning
[07:20] <lordievader> Good  morning
[13:30] <Chunkyz> Hello
[13:30] <lotuspsychje> hi
[13:37] <pragmaticenigma> I did a thing yesterday! Installed HWE kernel to 18.04 :-)
[13:57] <pragmaticenigma> Does anyone know of a way to determine when a point release was made to a system?
[14:01] <Chunkyz> Sup lotuspsychje
[14:02] <lotuspsychje> Chunkyz: playing with 3 bugs
[14:02] <Chunkyz> Which are?
[14:02] <Chunkyz> Ubuntu bugs?
[14:03] <lotuspsychje> Chunkyz: 2 crashes on 20.04; rythmbox and qbittorrent
[14:03] <Chunkyz> Oh
[14:03] <lotuspsychje> and 1 18.04 xscreensaver bug
[14:03] <Chunkyz> When is that out? April?
[14:03] <lotuspsychje> yep
[14:03] <Chunkyz> Hopefully they're fixed by then
[14:03] <lotuspsychje> Chunkyz: but im always helping early stage bugs
[14:04] <Chunkyz> Nice ;P
[14:04] <Chunkyz> I'm too lazy to do stuff like that.
[14:05] <lotuspsychje> im just a messenger, the real work is mostly the devs solving it
[14:20] <lotuspsychje> pragmaticenigma: the #ubuntu-release guys still working on .4 so it seems
[14:21] <pragmaticenigma> my lsb_release says I'm on 18.04.4 though o.O
[14:21] <pragmaticenigma> both my machines are listing 18.04.4 in the description of lsb_release
[14:22] <pragmaticenigma> perhaps the release of the ISO is still in progress?
[14:22] <lotuspsychje> Builds: Ubuntu Desktop amd64 [Bionic 18.04.4] has been marked as ready
[14:22] <lotuspsychje> my bionic box also shows .4
[14:24] <pragmaticenigma> I'm guessing the package repo has been triggered already, just the release of the ISO / install images is delayed?
[15:16] <Katnip> what is the lsb_release command to find the release?
[15:16] <lotuspsychje> lsb_release -a
[15:17] <Katnip> Ubuntu 18.04.4 LTS
[15:19] <lordievader> Well `-r` just gives the release. `-a` gives all.
[20:22] <RikMills> 18.04.4 delayed https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2020-February/004897.html
[20:24] <Chunkyz> Hmm
[20:25] <Chunkyz> Why is it delayed without clicking that link?
[20:25] <leftyfb> RikMills: those are just for the images I think. I'm running 18.04.4 now and have been for a week now
[20:25] <leftyfb> Chunkyz: click and read the link
[20:25] <Chunkyz> I'm on mobile so no.
[20:25] <sarnold> heh there's not a whole lot of detail there
[20:26] <leftyfb> Chunkyz: what does being on mobile have to do with anything?
[20:26] <sarnold> something something ubuntu core something something
[20:26] <Chunkyz> Umm
[20:26] <RikMills> leftyfb: well, yes. the packages marking the release had to be in the archive for the ISO to be made. that can't change
[20:31] <Chunkyz> leftyfb: I ain't clicking, end of.
[20:33] <leftyfb> Chunkyz: good talk
[20:34] <Chunkyz> Good talk?
[20:34] <Chunkyz> Um
[20:35] <Chunkyz> So I can't find out without clicking lol
[20:36] <Chunkyz> Clicked it, not much information. What.
[20:37] <Chunkyz> I'm done here. Bye.
[20:37]  * leftyfb waves goodbye


[01:39] <RAOF> I guess it's too soon to be passing --std=c++1y? :)
[01:43] <duflu> Wait, what? I was utterly convinced today was Wednesday
[01:44] <RAOF> Oh, it's not!
[01:44] <RAOF> ...
[01:45] <RAOF> And you somehow made me think it was Tuesday!
[01:47] <duflu> That is honestly shocking. I do recall several very long work days. No wonder the fridge is quite empty
[06:03] <RAOF_> Hah!
[06:03] <RAOF> Conflicts in since lunch. Yay!
[06:35] <duflu> RAOF: Sorry, I think. It's a problem we all suffer from occasionally
[06:36] <RAOF> Eh. Very simple conflicts.
[06:50] <RAOF> Hah. Whoops.
[06:51] <RAOF> I've tested all the things except actually wiring up the probe in the DefaultServerConfiguration! :)
[07:51] <RAOF> Ok. I think I'll call that EOD.
[07:53]  * duflu waves to RAOF
[08:22] <duflu> alf_: Do you have a fix in mind for bug 1353867? If not I would just propose a revert of the offending change. As crashing is more helpful than an infinite loop
[08:24] <alan_g> duflu: are your concerns addressed? https://code.launchpad.net/~alan-griffiths/mir/versioning-libmirplatform/+merge/229488
[08:24] <duflu> alan_g: Sorry, distracted. I'll check this arvo
[08:25] <alf_> duflu: Yes, I have a fix, I am just waiting for https://code.launchpad.net/~afrantzis/mir/better-client-api-override/+merge/229479 to land to propose
[08:33] <duflu> alan_g: One of those days where I just don't get on top of everything. Checking it now...
[08:33] <alan_g> duflu: np - it happens to us all
[18:02] <racarr_> Is anyone else having...entire system randomly freezes in utopic kind of issues (with alarming frequency)
[18:02] <racarr_> I feel like maybe alf was or something?
[18:06] <kdub> like, the desktop?
[18:09] <racarr_> yeah
[18:10] <racarr_> freeze/unfreeze sort of stuff lol
[18:10] <racarr_> its been a few weeks now and is really starting to push my patience so starting to feel like I should dig in to cause
[18:10] <racarr_> and thought I remembered alf was having something like this
[18:10] <racarr_> on radeon evergreen as well
[21:52] <racarr_> android...build...so long.
[21:52] <racarr_> RAOF: p.s. what were you saying about an honest to god stub platform
[21:53] <racarr_> I had to make, another one for https://code.launchpad.net/~mir-team/qtmir/server-client-acceptance/+merge/230018 and now to add more tests I have to make it better (or perhaps just end up copying the one from mtf...)
[22:04] <racarr_> ...still...building...android
[22:42] <RAOF> racarr_: https://code.launchpad.net/~raof/mir/privatise-all-the-things/+merge/228796 has some of an honest-to-god stub platform.
[22:42] <RAOF> racarr_: At least, it has platform-graphics-dummy.so and client-platform-dummy.so.
[22:43] <racarr_> RAOF: How did it end up there?
[22:47] <RAOF> racarr_: Because I needed some dummies to test.
[22:47] <racarr_> ah
[23:27] <racarr_> hmm 6 hours is a long time even for jenkins ;) (want to see a + 1 on touchspot-renderable before EOD)


[15:58] <roadmr> hey!
[15:58] <bazhang> hi
[16:00] <roadmr> hello everyone! Time for the 1600 UTC Ubuntu Friendly meeting!!
[16:01] <roadmr> #startmeeting Ubuntu Friendly
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[16:01] <roadmr> Hi everyone, welcome to the Ubuntu Friendly meeting!
[16:01] <roadmr> Today we have the following topics to talk about:
[16:02] <roadmr> * Checkbox 0.13.5 and Precise Beta 2 (roadmr)
[16:02] <roadmr> * Any Other Business
[16:02] <roadmr> As usual, you're welcome to participate, to do so, indicate you want to speak by raising your hand (o/). Don't forget to also signal when you're done using ..
[16:03] <roadmr> Let's get started with the agenda!
[16:03] <roadmr> [TOPIC] Checkbox 0.13.5 and Precise Beta 2  (roadmr)
[16:03] <roadmr> We want to try to include a new version of Checkbox (0.13.5) in Precise Beta 2, to get as much exposure and bug reports/fixes as possible in this important milestone.
[16:03] <roadmr> This is not a done deal yet, we expect to prepare the upload tomorrow and the Beta freeze deadline is this Thursday. But I'll send a message to the mailing list if we manage to make it on time.
[16:04] <roadmr> If so, expect this new version of Checkbox to land with Beta 2 on March 29th!
[16:04] <roadmr> So once again, we'd like to ask for your help in running it and reporting any bugs you may find (by running ubuntu-bug checkbox, for instance).
[16:04] <roadmr> This will allow us to continue fixing those bugs in time for the 12.04 release.
[16:05] <roadmr> Note that thanks to the awesome work from both community and the Checkbox team, we had a large number of bugfixes which will hopefully make it into 0.13.5. Thanks everyone!
[16:05] <ara> o/
[16:06] <roadmr> ara: go ahead!
[16:06] <ara> are we going to try https://bugs.launchpad.net/checkbox/+bug/957090 to be part of that upload?
[16:06] <ara> what about the comments field?
[16:07] <roadmr> ara: if we manage to get the exception approved, yes, ideally
[16:07] <roadmr> ara: about the comments field thing, there's a bug about that, do you think we'd also need UIFe for that?
[16:08] <ara> roadmr, yes, if we want it in precise we will need both uife and ffe
[16:09] <roadmr> ara: ok, so I guess it depends on the paperwork being done in time then. I'd prefer to avoid a scramble like we had for 0.13.3, preparing everything at the last possible minute
[16:09] <ara> roadmr, OK, let's give us today to get the paperwork done for those two
[16:10] <ara> roadmr, what's the bug number for the comment field?
[16:10] <roadmr> ara: let me find it...
[16:11]  * roadmr looking
[16:12] <roadmr> ara: ok, I lied, there's no bug about the comment thing :( so far it's a [FEATURE]
[16:13] <roadmr> but I agree on trying to get those bugs today and starting with the upload tomorrow
[16:14] <roadmr> ok, shall we move on?
[16:15] <roadmr> [ACTION] roadmr to file bug on the comments feature
[16:15] <meetingology> ACTION: roadmr to file bug on the comments feature
[16:16] <roadmr> ok let's move on then :)
[16:16] <roadmr> [TOPIC] Any Other Business
[16:16] <roadmr> Anything else you'd like to discuss, comment on, or bring to the team's attention? now's your chance!
[16:18] <roadmr> any takers? :)
[16:19] <roadmr> nobody?
[16:19] <roadmr> last chance! :)
[16:19] <roadmr> Well I guess this wraps things up for today. Thanks for attending! Remember the mailing list is open to all your UF-related comments and inquiries.
[16:19] <roadmr> Thanks ara and everyone else! have a good day!
[16:19] <roadmr> #endmeeting
[16:19] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Mar 19 16:19:54 2012 UTC.
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[18:07] <mdeslaur> \o
[18:07] <jdstrand> hi!
[18:07] <tyhicks> Hello
[18:08] <jdstrand> #startmeeting
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[18:08] <jjohansen> \o
[18:08] <jdstrand> The meeting agenda can be found at:
[18:08] <jdstrand> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[18:08] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Announcements
[18:08] <jdstrand> Julian Taylor (jtaylor) provided a debdiff for oneiric for super (LP: #954579)
[18:08] <jdstrand> Your work is very much appreciated and will keep Ubuntu users secure. Great job! :)
[18:08] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[18:08] <jdstrand> I'll go first
[18:09] <jdstrand> I'm on triage this week. I'm happy to see that after running process_cves this morning, there was nothing new in oss-security
[18:10] <jdstrand> (I went back 5 weeks by exporting my oss-security folder in evo as mbox, then running check-cves --untriaged on it)
[18:10] <jdstrand> so, hopefully this indicates we are back on track despite mitre's efforts to thwart us :)
[18:11] <mdeslaur> hehe
[18:11] <jdstrand> my focus this week is on finishing up my MIR secruity audits. I completed many last week but have 3 left. I think 1 more will be coming after that though
[18:11] <jdstrand> depending on time, I will then move to install audits
[18:11] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: you did the locate_cves on it first though, right?
[18:12] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: you know, I missed that step :)
[18:12]  * jdstrand will report back momentarily
[18:12] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: whoops :)
[18:12] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: you're next
[18:12] <mdeslaur> I'm working on a ca-certificates-java issue, and will go down the list after that
[18:13] <mdeslaur> I'm in the happy place this week
[18:13] <mdeslaur> meh, nothing further to report
[18:13] <mdeslaur> sbeattie, you're up
[18:13] <sbeattie> I'm on community this week, and have at least mahara to review.
[18:14] <sbeattie> Otherwise, I'm working on apparmor bugs
[18:14] <sbeattie> That's pretty much it for me.
[18:14] <sbeattie> micahg: tag, you're it.
[18:14] <micahg> I have patch piloting, as well as everything I didn't finish last week (Thunderbird update, Icedtea regression, thunderbird SRU), all to be completed this week, then there's webkit and possibly a chromium major update if they're on their 6 week schedule
[18:15] <micahg> well, thunderbird SRU not to be completed, but uploaded :)
[18:15] <micahg> questions?
[18:15] <micahg> off to tyhicks then :)
[18:16] <tyhicks> I'm in the happy place this week
[18:17] <tyhicks> Making good progress on the freetype update. I noticed that Debian mainly only patched the invalid write vulns, while I'm also patching the invalid reads.
[18:17] <tyhicks> It is a taking a bit longer, but I've got all the tests in place and I've backported everything to oneiric. Hopefully the other backports aren't too bad now.
[18:18] <tyhicks> I've got another revision of my patch for bug 842647 done
[18:18] <tyhicks> test kernels just got finished building and I'll be posting a link to those shortly, after doing a quick smoke test
[18:19] <tyhicks> That's about it for me. I'll be moving on to another update after I'm done with freetype.
[18:19] <tyhicks> jjohansen: You're up
[18:19] <jjohansen> I am continuing to look at Bug #959560, and any other apparmor bug that surfaces, or needs looking into (that includes following up with Christain on the mod_apparmor bug and also the APPARMOR_STOP mode for debugging).  I need to post out the next revision of the mount rules kernel patch to lkml, get some mount rule tests added to the regression test suite,  I also needed to start catching up on some of the deferred kernel
[18:20] <jjohansen> sigh, /me needs to also work on getting that paste right so it doesn't show up as one big blob
[18:20] <jjohansen> jdstrand: back to you
[18:21] <jdstrand> thanks
[18:21] <jdstrand> so it looks like there were 6 things in oss-sec we didn't have. still not bad
[18:21] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[18:21] <jdstrand> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[18:21] <jdstrand> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[18:22] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/jruby.html
[18:22] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/rt73.html
[18:22] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/xcftools.html
[18:22] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/chasen.html
[18:22] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/open-vm-tools.html
[18:22] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[18:22] <jdstrand> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[18:23] <sbeattie> jdstrand: I noted you were planning on doing install audits; should we also start verifying qa-r-t tests for precise?
[18:24] <sbeattie> I'm asking because I fixed on issue with mysql/qart on precise, but now the upstream tests are failing, and it may require fixing something in the mysql package.
[18:25] <jdstrand> sbeattie: I'm not sure how we want to do these. we (I) failed in getting them done for precise and aiui the qa team is incorporating them
[18:25] <jdstrand> sbeattie: my feeling at this time is to just update them as we have time
[18:26] <jdstrand> and fix any bugs that the qa team reports. we can maybe formalize this a bit more next month. I don't think any of us have time to get this done before april all things considered
[18:26] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: what are your thoughts?
[18:27] <sbeattie> jdstrand: I somewhat agree, and in fact, the whole reason I looked at mysql was due to GrueMaster pointing out the breakage.
[18:27] <mdeslaur> I think we should wait for qa team bug reports and/or patches
[18:27] <sbeattie> but for some things it's better to know in advance...
[18:28] <mdeslaur> well, for stuff like apparmor where we're pretty much the maintainer, I agree we should be looking at them for precise
[18:28] <mdeslaur> but for other packages, I assume the qa team is running them on the dev release
[18:28] <jdstrand> sbeattie: certainly. the QA team is supposed to get to the point where they are running these all the time, so the advanced notice is just part of our normal qa process.afaik, we aren't there yet, but should be fixing any bugs that they give to us
[18:29] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: oh certainly. if a qrt package is tied to our acceptance criteria, we need to be running it
[18:29] <jdstrand> s/package/script/
[18:29] <jdstrand> sbeattie: can you hand that mysql failure to someone else on the team for now?
[18:29] <jdstrand> sbeattie: can discuss outside of the meeting
[18:30] <sbeattie> jdstrand: okay.
[18:31] <jdstrand> mdeslaur, sbeattie, micahg, tyhicks, jjohansen: thanks!
[18:31] <jdstrand> #endmeeting
[18:31] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Mar 19 18:31:32 2012 UTC.
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[18:31] <mdeslaur> thanks jdstrand
[18:31] <jjohansen> thanks jdstrand
[18:31] <sbeattie> jdstrand: thanks!
[18:31]  * micahg had something else, but it can wait until next week
[18:31] <micahg> jdstrand: thanks
[18:34] <beam> Hi...I have a question, and I will be very grateful if someone could help me.I do not know whether this is the place, and certainly does seem a bit frivolous, but I still wonder.with ubuntu 10.4 am and I've installed opera from opera_11.61.1250_i386.deb.
[18:34] <beam> his opera itself actually works perfectly, but it open where the icon appears on top of the panel to the notification area is slightly unsized (slightly smaller than that of starter and any glare and reflections).I know not, who knows what the problem, but I ceased provoking. so I hope someone knows where the system loads the icon to change it to another level.
[18:38] <micahg> beam: you want #ubuntu
[18:41] <beam> aha
[18:42] <beam> but there is like a honeycomb
[18:45] <micahg> beam: there's also askubuntu.com and answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[18:47] <beam> aha...
[18:47] <beam> so... you do not know
[19:11] <ScottK> beam: The question is off topic for this channel.
[19:14] <beam> ooo
[19:56] <kees> mdz, cjwatson, soren, stgraber: tech board in 5 min ...
[20:01] <cjwatson> hi
[20:01]  * stgraber waves
[20:01] <mdz> kees, hi
[20:01] <soren> Er... It's in an hour.
[20:01] <soren> Right?
[20:01]  * kees head-desks
[20:01] <soren> Didn't we agree to keep the UTC time?
[20:01] <kees> yes, sorry.
[20:02] <kees> I'll re-ping in an hour...
[20:02] <soren> The wiki wasn't updated when I looked earlier today.
[20:02] <cjwatson> yay for google calendar
[20:02]  * stgraber blames his phone for saying it was now
[20:02] <kees> soren: I just touched the wiki up a few minutes ago.
[20:02] <cjwatson> soren: I only remembered to do the minutes after seeing pitti's apologies mail
[20:04] <kees> okay, I've tied my google calendar event to Reykjavik now
[20:04] <kees> I swear I'd done that already
[20:08] <micahg> umm, the fridge calendar should be fixed to be in UTC then
[20:09] <micahg> or rather the meeting, as it's still showing as now
[20:09] <cjwatson> that's a consequence of the google calendar
[20:09] <micahg> no, there's a GMT time zone you can set appts in that won't change when the meeting is based on DST
[20:09] <micahg> GMT/no DST or something like that
[20:10] <Mkays|> What meeting are you having?
[20:10] <soren> None. We'll be having the Ubuntu Technical Board meetin gin 50 minutes.
[20:10] <soren> This is the pre-meeting where we discuss when to have the real meeting :)
[20:10] <Mkays|> I see
[20:11] <ScottK> soren: Whoa.  Better plan that.  You wouldn't want to dive straight into the pre-meeting with no planning.
[20:12] <soren> ScottK: Are you volunteering for the pre-meeting planning committee?
[20:13] <ScottK> Nope.  I was once in the Navy and it turns out that's an acroynm for "Never Again Volunteer Yourself".  It's a motto I try to live by.
[20:18] <highvoltage> That motto is easier said than done :)
[20:20] <Mkays|> It looks like a loop
[20:21] <ScottK> highvoltage: Right.  I try.  I often fail.
[20:21] <Mkays|> First you volunteer and say that and  then you volunteer again
[20:21] <ScottK> You can't not do it again until you've done it once.
[20:30] <Mkays|> Pre-meeting is probably good pplace to ask, what is Ubuntu technical board?
[20:34] <ScottK> Mkays|: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoard/
[20:34] <Mkays|>  Ok
[20:38] <Mkays|> Looks interesting :-)
[20:56] <kees> cjwatson, mdz, soren, stgraber: tech board in 5 min (for real this time)
[20:59]  * stgraber waves again
[21:01] <soren> o/
[21:01] <mdz> kees, hi
[21:01] <mdz> (having to juggle a bit because the calendar said it was an hour ago)
[21:02] <kees> #startmeeting
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[21:02] <cjwatson> micahg: I wasn't saying it was an inherent consequence of google calendar, but rather that it's a consequence of the calendar as currently set up
[21:02] <micahg> fair enough
[21:02] <kees> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda
[21:02] <cjwatson> I didn't fill out the actions, best check the minutes for that, sorry
[21:03]  * kees goes to find minutes, one sec
[21:04] <kees> cjwatson: hrm, where did the minutes end up? I don't see them on ubuntu-devel
[21:04] <kees> skipping for now...
[21:04] <cjwatson> devel-announce
[21:04] <cjwatson> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2012-March/000942.html
[21:05] <kees> [topic] Soren agreed to send mail regarding meeting time changes.
[21:05] <kees> er
[21:05] <kees> [topic] Action review
[21:05] <kees> Soren agreed to send mail regarding meeting time changes.
[21:05] <kees> I didn't see that go to tech-board list. is that still outstanding?
[21:06] <soren> Yeah.
[21:06] <kees> okay
[21:06] <kees> [action] Soren to send mail regarding meeting time changes.
[21:06] <meetingology> ACTION: Soren to send mail regarding meeting time changes.
[21:07] <kees> I don't see any other actions in the minutes.
[21:07] <kees> [topic] Brain storm review
[21:07] <kees> I failed miserably at this.
[21:07] <kees> there was discussion about how we could improve the process.
[21:08] <kees> do we want to tie this to releases? or mid-release time frames?
[21:10] <cjwatson> well, a few things there, imho
[21:10] <cjwatson> we want it to be at a point when people aren't in crunch mode
[21:10] <kees> right
[21:10] <cjwatson> we also want it to be at a point when people can say "oh yes, great idea, I've implemented that for the next release" 'cos that feels good
[21:10] <cjwatson> so I'd like it to be somewhere in the feature development slot
[21:11] <kees> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule <- before "Feature Definition Freeze" ?
[21:12] <cjwatson> well, that's for big stuff requiring lots of planning, I think it's fine for this to be later, personally
[21:14] <kees> hrm, is it worth doing before UDS?
[21:14] <kees> there aren't a lot of good places to sneak this in
[21:16] <kees> well, I propose we have it due the week before Debian Import Freeze.
[21:17] <kees> thoughts?
[21:17] <soren> I have no problem with that.
[21:18] <kees> okay, I'll send an email to the list with that mentioned.
[21:18] <kees> [action] propose slot in devel cycle for brainstorm feedback
[21:18] <meetingology> ACTION: propose slot in devel cycle for brainstorm feedback
[21:18] <cjwatson> ok
[21:18] <kees> [topic] Scan the mailing list archive for anything we missed (standing item)
[21:18] <ScottK> Is there stuff in Brainstorm that's actionable and worth doing?  Admittedly it was quite awhile ago, but I once looked through it pretty deeply looking for something I could say "Nice idea, I'd like to spend some time on that" and came up dry.
[21:19] <ScottK> (sorry that was late)
[21:19] <kees> ScottK: that was my experience too, which is what contributed to my epic fail this time around
[21:19] <cjwatson> ScottK: the last time I did a TB review it wasn't too bad
[21:20] <ScottK> OK.
[21:20] <cjwatson> there were certainly actionable and useful things there, although a certain amount of it was indeed not actionable
[21:20] <kees> I don't see anything on the list that has gone unaddressed.
[21:20] <cjwatson> restricting to the top ten helps, as does not having to restrict to things only the person looking for things can do
[21:20] <cjwatson> (I suspect the trail goes dry not desperately far below the top ten, but)
[21:20] <danel> hello I'm new to this room
[21:21] <danel> michael rawson recommended me to the room(known as mg&tl from the forums)
[21:21] <kees> hi danel, this channel is used for regular ubuntu meetings. (and we're in the middle of the technical board meeting currently.)
[21:21] <kees> [topic] Check up on community bugs (standing item)
[21:22] <stgraber> what's the status of Ubuntu Studio regarding LTS status?
[21:22] <kees> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+bug/252368 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+bug/174375 are still there with no more action.
[21:23] <kees> stgraber: according to meeting minutes, tb asked for more details.
[21:23] <kees> stgraber: I haven't seen anything about it since the last meeting, though.
[21:24] <stgraber> yeah, I seem to remember we were supposed to get more details by mail to the mailing list
[21:25] <kees> [topic] AOB
[21:27] <kees> Any one have anything to bring up?
[21:27] <mdz> nope
[21:27] <cjwatson> not I
[21:27] <kees> chair?
[21:27] <stgraber> nope
[21:27] <mdz> I think I'm next in sequence?
[21:27] <soren> nope
[21:28] <kees> okay, mdz is chair for the Apr 2nd meeting.
[21:28] <kees> alright, thanks everyone!
[21:28] <kees> #endmeeting
[21:28] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Mar 19 21:28:53 2012 UTC.
[21:28] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-03-19-21.02.moin.txt
[21:28] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-03-19-21.02.html
[21:48] <danel> do I need permission to speak from another member?
[22:10] <ScottK> danel: No, but this place is pretty quiet except during meetings.
[22:11] <danel> ok
[22:11] <danel> well I have been wanting to contribute to ubuntu front/back end
[22:11] <danel> don't know too much but....
[22:11] <danel> here is an example of a file I wrote that hasn't been compiled yet
[22:11] <ScottK> If you're interesting in development, you should try #ubuntu-devel.
[22:12] <danel> whoops
[22:12] <danel> sorry wrong xchat room
[22:12] <danel> it's in freenode as well?
[22:12] <danel> ok thanks
[22:12] <ScottK> yes