[00:31] <aeoril> darkxst would you be willing to help me a little with how to test this bug?  I think I know how to fix it, but have been unable to test it successfully:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/1422176
[00:31] <aeoril> pitti helped me a little, and I asked him for further help, but I guess he is unable to respond
[00:34] <aeoril> darkxst I made the changes I think are necessary to /usr/share/apport/apport-gtk to test, but the apport gui failed to start when I did.  I am not sure if there is a way to test the gui from the source branch I downloaded from lp:apport
[00:35] <aeoril> darkxst also, for some reason apport only starts for the first bug, even if I do not muck with it - I think that may be a bug in apport
[00:36] <aeoril> (the gui, even for different executables that crash)
[02:26] <Snow-Man> oh, come *on*.  ipv6 is busted *again*? :(
[02:28] <stgraber> Snow-Man: if you mean bug 1426618, then yes
[02:29] <Snow-Man> stgraber: yes, I was on 1404558
[02:29] <stgraber> not really busted though, works great for about 24h, then you panic and reboot :)
[02:29] <Snow-Man> :þ
[02:30] <stgraber> problem is, in either bug it's not very easy to reproduce. The last time around we considered 24+ hours without a panic to be "fixed". So no easy reproducer typically means no good testcase to make sure that kind of stuff doesn't happen again.
[02:30] <stgraber> anyway, -45 works fine and I'm sure apw or someone else on the kernel team will figure it out quickly...
[02:30] <Snow-Man> I expect -46 probably included some security updates or something tho. :/
[02:33] <stgraber> it had one CVE related to KVM on x86 and it's backporting a bunch of security-related userns changes, no obvious remote security flaw fixes that I can see at least
[02:37] <ScottK> I guess I'm glad I didn't reboot yet.
[02:39] <Snow-Man> ScottK: see, that's the situation I'm in
[02:39] <Snow-Man> I just installed -46 earlier today, in fact.
[02:46] <darkxst> aeoril, use something like `ubuntu-bug gnome-shell`
[02:47] <aeoril> darkxst ok, thanks
[04:55] <aeoril> darkxst well, I fixed and tested the error icons but there is a function call that has deprecated constants in it in apport-gtk (STOCK_CANCEL and STOCK_OPEN).  Should I fix those as well?  If so, how to test?: https://gist.github.com/aeoril/5c906f901a1021594d78#file-gistfile1-txt
[05:17] <darkxst> aeoril, I think you would do something like gtk.button_new_with_label ("_Cancel");
[05:17] <darkxst> not sure how to test though, don't ever recall seeing a filechooser in apport
[05:20] <darkxst> however they are only Deprecated, so probably still there in Gtk?
[05:21] <darkxst> in which case you don't need to fix it
[05:27] <darkxst> aeoril, actually seems the filechooser is not used by any package hooks at all, so don't worry about it ;)
[09:43] <doko> Laney, can you/desktop forward this issue to gnome (?) ?
[19:41] <aeoril> darkxst I am ready to commit my fix for apport LP: #1422176 However, I wanted to make sure I pushed correctly this time.  The command on apport's launchpad page to push is as follows.  Do use this?  bzr push lp:~aeoril/apport/apport I was wondering if I just just do:  bzr push lp:~aeoril/apport instead?  Once you let me know, I will push and do a merge proposal.  Thanks for your help -
[19:41] <aeoril> againg :)
[19:43] <aeoril> Also, when I do the merge proposal, I am assuming I fill in "lp:apport" ...
[19:44] <aeoril> (just making sure before I do all this)
[19:54] <hjd> aeoril: When you create a merge proposal, it should pick the trunk of the project as default, unless you specify something else. (So yes, lp:apport will likely be the default option)
[19:55] <aeoril> hjd what I am really not sure about is the push command though - does that appear correct for lp:apport? bzr push lp:~aeoril/apport/apport
[19:55] <aeoril> (and thanks :
[19:55] <aeoril> :)
[19:55] <aeoril> not sure about the "double apports"
[19:57] <aeoril> Sorry about all the typos - it is cold here - at least I hope it is just that!
[19:58] <hjd> aeoril: I understand your question. To break it down a bit, it's really lp:~username/project/branchname. So it will store the branch under your username, but know that it is linked to a particular project (I would guess this is the part that makes it turn up on https://code.launchpad.net/apport) and the last part is basically some descriptive name so that you (and others) can see what the branch is about. For instance
[19:58] <hjd> ~username/apport/fixes-typos or ~username/apport/stop-crashing-on-startup
[20:03] <hjd> aeoril: Does that make sense? :)
[20:04] <aeoril> hjd oh, yes - I remember now from my first bug - yes, of course - so, for my fix, a good push command would be "bzr push lp:~aeoril/apport/fixes-bug-1422176"
[20:04] <aeoril> thanks!  I had already forgotten!
[20:04] <aeoril> hjd you explained it very well.  Thank you.
[20:10] <hjd> aeoril: You're welcome. Yes, that branchname sounds good.
[20:11] <aeoril> hjd ok, cool!
[20:20] <hjd> aeoril: Did you push your changes? :)
[20:22] <aeoril> hjd no, not yet - I am hunting around for the code I fixed for my first bug - lp: #1422113 to see what exactly I did with it, but cannot find it yet - it has been committed, but I am not having much luck finding the actually code diffs and stuff and how I phrased the commit message, etc. on launchpad - very frustrating!
[20:24] <aeoril> hjd I guess the merge proposals "disappear" once they are accepted and integrated?  I viewed all the merge proposals on lp:ubiquity, and did not find mine
[20:25] <hjd> aeoril: Yes closed ones are hidden. But fear no, if you go to you user page, and look under "Code" you should be able to toggle branches with any status which you have added to Launchpad. You should find it there.
[20:26] <aeoril> hjd ok, will do
[20:27] <hjd> aeoril: Another small trick is, on the branch page, you can click to link it up to a bug report. Then it will appear just below the description and tags (included the related merge proposal. This makes it easier to find, and also let's other people see that someone has a suggested fix for the issue in question. :))
[20:29] <aeoril> hjd doesn't "bzr commit --fixes lp:1422176" do that?  That is what I have been doing, and what I am about to do with this bug in my local repo before pushing ...
[20:30] <aeoril> but, I saw that link to click you are talking about previously - I thought that bzr commit option did that though
[20:35] <hjd> I'm not familiar with the --fixes option, so I'm not actually sure what it does. The ubiquity-bug you linked to only lists lp:ubiquity under Related branches, though.
[20:37] <aeoril> hjd ok, I pushed the branch.  Looks ok to me:  https://code.launchpad.net/~aeoril/apport/fixes-bug-1422176
[20:48] <aeoril> hjd darkxst ok, I linked the branch to the bug like you taught me, then did the merge proposal.  I hope the reviewer finds it acceptable!
[20:50] <aeoril> hjd - nice!  I see the "related branches" links now under the bug report - thanks! :)
[20:50] <hjd> aeoril: Yes, looks good.
[20:51] <aeoril> hjd cool, thanks for the help - my second one! :D
[20:51] <hjd> aeoril: Yes, it shows up there now. You may also want to change the status of the bug report to "In progress" and assign it to yourself to indicate that the bug is being actively worked on.
[20:52] <aeoril> hjd I can actually just do that?
[20:52] <aeoril> I figured I would have to have some kind of special status or something ...
[20:54] <hjd> No, there's only a couple of statuses are restricted (Triaged and Won't Fix, see also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Bug%20statuses).
[20:56] <hjd> It's a good habit to always leave a comment when changing status to explain why it was changed though. And if in doubt which status applies, just ask :)
[20:56] <aeoril> hjd I see that there are two places I can change the status - one for "Ubuntu GNOME" and one for "apport (Ubuntu)" - the Ubuntu GNOME was in "triage" so I changed it, but not sure if I should change "apport (Ubuntu)" since it is still "new" ...
[20:57] <aeoril> Unfortunately, I did not leave a comment - can I fix that?
[20:59] <hjd> Sure, it's just like leaving a normal comment at the end.
[21:00] <hjd> I don't know if Ubuntu GNOME has a specific workflow, but if you read the wikipage I linked to about the statuses above, things should hopefully become a bit clearer.
[21:00] <hjd> (I know there's a diagram showing how a bug goes from one status to the next, but couldn't find it right now)
[21:01] <aeoril> hjd ok, i'll read the link - right now I am going to take a break because I this process is still nerve wracking for me since I am new!
[21:02] <darkxst> aeoril, looks good
[21:03] <aeoril> darkxst thanks! :)  My second one!
[21:03] <hjd> aeoril: No problem. Just take it gradually, it can be a lot to digest all at once. :)
[21:03] <aeoril> darkxst would you still suggest looking at that second one you gave me along with this one as my third?
[21:04] <darkxst> aeoril, we mainly use the ubuntu GNOME project for milestone tracking (so they show up here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/+milestone/vivid)
[21:05] <darkxst> aeoril, yes, that would be a good introduction to using quilt ;)
[21:10] <aeoril> darkxst ok, will do - if you have the bug number off the top of your head, could you give i to me again?  It will save me from having to look in my IRC logs ...
[21:11] <aeoril> why can't I type anymore?????
[21:11] <darkxst> bug 1425349
[21:11] <aeoril> I'll blame it on my keyboard...
[21:13] <aeoril> darkxst cool, bookmarked - now for a break!


[12:25] <sivang> plovs_: ping
[01:50] <Burgundavia_> hey all
[01:59] <sivang> hey again, still a couple of minutes to  go.
[02:04] <Burgundavia_> you tried out baz yet?
[02:06] <sivang> Burgundavia_: ah not past installing it....not yet, been busy with country team and other stuff..
[02:07] <Burgundavia_> ah
[02:07] <Burgundavia_> Is cool stuff
[02:07] <sivang> yes, it sure looks like it is :)
[02:07] <Burgundavia_> I promised to write a quickstart guide before Jan 4
[02:07] <Burgundavia_> So I have my hands full learning it
[02:07] <sivang> you should contact plovs about it - he may have done lots of work on it I think
[02:11] <Burgundavia_> I meant to baz
[02:11] <sivang> eh for it :)
[02:11] <sivang> hehe
[02:11] <Burgundavia_> As for the quickguide, ya I would like to see what is bubbling over
[02:11] <sivang> Now i get it
[02:11] <sivang> Burgundavia_: so any doc ready for baz?
[02:12] <Burgundavia_> should be fun, as the current stuff is crap, thus I have rewrite it
[02:12] <Burgundavia_> current stuff is all tla
[02:12] <sivang> there is a guide/howto currently?
[02:12] <sivang> eh, not for the baz interface..
[02:12] <Burgundavia_> there is a really really wierd one
[02:12] <Burgundavia_> just install bazaar-doc and take a lok
[02:13] <sivang> this is the current guide?
[02:13] <Burgundavia_> ya, that is the arch docs
[02:13] <sivang> where does it install it?
[02:14] <Burgundavia_> apt-get install bazaard-doc
[02:14] <Burgundavia_> bazaar-doc
[02:14] <sivang> did that, does it appear under /usr/share/doc ?
[02:15] <Burgundavia_> is think so
[02:15] <Burgundavia_> ya, under bazaar-doc in that dir
[02:17] <sivang> looks strange , true.
[02:18] <sivang> the tla -h is something even more bizaar
[02:18] <sivang> :)
[02:19] <Burgundavia_> as you can see, it needs an overhaul, so that real people can actually use baz, not to mention all the changes
[02:20] <sivang> actually, the tutorial doesn't look _that_ bad, ofcourse I dind't really try those commands with tla.
[02:21] <sivang> so baz is working on top of tla?
[02:22] <Burgundavia_> no, baz is tla forked
[02:25] <sivang> ah, so it's the same code with improvements?
[02:27] <Burgundavia_> ya
[02:30] <Burgundavia_> as the devs describe it, tla without the crack
[02:50] <Burgundavia_> all right, got to catch my flight
[02:50] <Burgundavia_> talk to you in a couple of days
[04:43] <sivang> anybody here?
[04:43] <sivang> not asleep?
[07:56] <enrico> hello!  Anyone around?
[09:35] <enrico> ChrisH: hello!
[09:36] <enrico> ChrisH: everything allright?
[09:36] <enrico> I had this question: how do I show an image in a wiki page in Moin format?
[09:37] <ChrisH> enrico: more or less... baby is getting another tooth... total sleep time last night: 10 minutes :)
[09:38] <ChrisH> enrico: Didn't figure it out either. I was googling around for hours already but couldn't find any decent documentation of the Moin markup
[09:50] <cenerentola> ciao babbari
[09:55] <enrico> ChrisH: ah, ok.  The only thing I found is that if in Moin you write a URL pointing to an image, the image shows up
[09:55] <enrico> ChrisH: however, this would be a URL pointing to a WikiName
[09:55] <enrico> cenerentola: ciao
[09:55] <enrico> ChrisH: oh, well, I'll do without maybe
[09:56] <cenerentola> do you guys know if there0s already a welcome panel [something that shows up when you run ubuntu after installation, or everytime u use the live cd]
[09:56] <cenerentola> planned..
[09:57] <cenerentola> ?
[09:57] <ChrisH> enrico: I'd be happy for /any/ piece of documentation about Moin. Looks like it a grand secret.
[09:58] <enrico> cenerentola: yes, there is an "about ubuntu" HTML page which is about to be converted into DocBook to show it as a Yelp welcome page
[09:58] <enrico> ChrisH: oh, in the Moin websites you find many things
[09:59] <cenerentola> enrico: i meant something like mandrake's one... with links to the control centre and so on..
[09:59] <enrico> ChrisH: Please also have a look at DifferencesWithRealMoin
[09:59] <enrico> ChrisH: I remember plovs was also working on a Moin markup cheat sheet
[10:00] <enrico> ChrisH: as soon as he comes online, we can ask
[10:00] <enrico> cenerentola: should be something like that, yes
[10:01] <cenerentola> enrico: thanks a lot... e hooray for la gnocca
[10:02] <enrico> cenerentola: hooray!
[10:02] <enrico> ChrisH: can you access the svn repo at <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[10:03] <enrico> I committed regularly 5 minutes ago, and now I can't seem to be able to checkout
[10:03] <enrico> connection times out
[10:03] <enrico> well, hasn't timed out yet, but it's been doing nothing for a long time
[10:05] <ChrisH> enrico: Yes, the svn repo works here.
[10:06] <ChrisH> enrico: plovs has written a short list of Moin markup. But it includes titles and lists - that's it. I couldn't find anything about tables, nested lists, embedded images etc.
[10:07] <enrico> ChrisH: tables are easy: just have a look at the source of the conference page, which has a table with people that did plan to attend
[10:07] <enrico> [svn]  Ok, I may have routing problems from here, then
[10:07] <ChrisH> enrico: Sure, I could get it all together by looking at other people's pages. I just wished there was a reference manual somewhere. And Moin is widespread enough that there should be something like that IMHO. Not on our Wiki but from the developers of the MoinWiki.
[10:08] <cenerentola> everybuddy in da chan [and Her Majesty Enrico "The Secretary"] : when u're finished, could you please give some hints, and directives to introduce the "Ubuntu Course Book" to the school council?
[10:10] <cenerentola> thanks a lot ;-)
[10:15] <enrico> Usually in the MoinMoin pages there is one explaning the markup, in every MoinMoin wiki
[10:15] <enrico> Let me find you one
[10:16] <enrico> ChrisH: http://www.bfsf.it/wiki/HelpOnEditing
[10:16] <enrico> ChrisH: is that what you were looking for?
[10:17] <ChrisH> enrico: Ah, very good, thanks.
[10:19] <enrico> cenerentola: I suggest you discuss such a strategy with a friendly professor in that school, so that you create a project which suits the local context of the school itself
[10:21] <cenerentola> enrico: ok, but what about the contents... ohh i see.. you're going to be the project manager...
[10:21] <cenerentola> ok
[10:21] <cenerentola> ..5...4...3....2....1... chi tace acconsente... THANK YOU ENRICO ;)
[10:22] <enrico> About the contents, I suggest you just let the school project decide on them
[10:22] <enrico> If they use Ubuntu, then they can create a guide for schools with what they feel it is relevant for them
[10:22] <cenerentola> enrico: well since we're going to use it "everywhere"... and you have THE EXPERIENCE... some hints would be a nice idea thou
[10:23] <enrico> The outcome of such local project usually brings in creativity from the new environment (which is the school) and has a better quality than anything that can be created in the existing old community
[10:23] <enrico> plovs: good morning!
[10:23] <cenerentola> enrico: buon giorno plovs.
[10:23] <cenerentola> !
[10:23] <enrico> cenerentola: my experience has always been to let people (schools, course attendees) decide on what's best for them
[10:24] <cenerentola> enrico: so i will. oki.
[10:24] <enrico> not only they'd bring more in a different kind of experience, but they'd feel the work "more belonging to them" ("pi loro") and do things with more enthousiasm
[10:25] <cenerentola> nice translation..
[10:25] <cenerentola> enrico: you're right.. wax on... wax off...
[10:26] <enrico> plovs: I remember you were writing (or about to write) a Moin markup cheat sheet... is it already online somewhere?
[10:26] <enrico> ChrisH: :((  can't access the svn repo from Italy either :'(
[10:27] <enrico> The funny thing is that I stopped being able to access it just when I was trying to do an svk mirror! :(
[10:27] <ChrisH> enrico: Same here now. The repository is a /bit/ too unreliable for my taste.
[10:28] <enrico> (http://svk.elixus.org/)  I met the developers here in Taiwan over the week-end
[10:28] <enrico> 2 days ago I wrote to John asking what to do if the repo is down while he's in Vegas, but he hasn't got back to me yet
[10:28] <ChrisH> Yes another archive system? :) Like baz isn't confusing enough.
[10:28] <ChrisH> *Yet
[10:29] <enrico> ChrisH:  :)
[10:29] <enrico> ChrisH: this is a toy that runs on top of subversion that I wanted to try, but nothing that would annoy anyone that is not interested
[10:30] <enrico> ChrisH: it's only that there are people that use it in other svn repositories that I work in, and find it cool, so I wanted to have a look
[10:30] <ChrisH> Read that. I won't object to that. One thing that I sometimes find annoying in Ubuntu is that every common system is being trashed and rewritten.
[10:31] <cenerentola> q enrico : no no.. Miyagi sensei.. wax on... wax off
[10:31] <enrico> ChrisH: :)
[10:31] <cenerentola> sorry..
[10:34] <cenerentola> ChrisH: what kind of cappuccino? italian? or rest-of-the-world one?
[10:35] <ChrisH> cenerentola: Rest-of-the-world-in-a-can-in-power-form-to-be-put-in-boiling-water
[10:35] <ChrisH> *powder
[10:36] <cenerentola> blahhh ;)
[10:36] <ChrisH> I just do it for the caffeine. I'm out of syringes.
[10:37] <cenerentola> ok.. have you tried to smoke dried bananas?
[10:38] <enrico> svn mirror is up again
[10:38] <enrico> sorry: svn repository is up again.
[10:38] <enrico> Now I try mirroring it!
[10:38] <cenerentola> enrico: that cinese thing is in perl... you... betrayer
[10:38] <cenerentola> ;)
[10:39] <enrico> cenerentola: first think, it's taiwanese: if you call it chinese, it's a diplomatic incident :)
[10:39] <cenerentola> chrish: i think that there will be a Hoary release party, in april, in Milan... you're absolutely invited..
[10:39] <cenerentola> enrico: sorry..
[10:40] <cenerentola> enrico: what about the ninja that ran into the kitchen's window... did i say sth so wrong?
[10:41] <cenerentola> ChrisH: at least you'll drink something that can, reasonably, be called cappuccino: the other half of heavens..
[10:41] <ChrisH> cenerentola: Thanks. :) But looking back to the chaos I had in Mataro I think I'll rather stay home and watch it from here. :)
[10:41] <enrico> ChrisH: chaos?
[10:42] <ChrisH> enrico: Wife and baby mostly. Completely wrong decision to allow them to come with me.
[10:42] <ChrisH> enrico: I had enjoyed the conf much more if I had more to time to spend with other people. This way I had 5 minutes with everybody and it was like running from one chaos to another.
[10:43] <ChrisH> enrico: Or do you remember having seen me sitting relaxed at my notebook (which didn't boot every second time)? :)
[10:43] <enrico> ChrisH: :)
[10:43] <enrico> ChrisH: it's quite normal for conferences, however, to only be able to do 10% of what you planned
[10:43] <ChrisH> enrico: It not the fault of the conference at all. But like this is was just annoying.
[10:44] <enrico> it's almost normal that 10% is a big lot of things, also because you add 90% of what you didn't plan
[10:44] <ChrisH> enrico: Needed to learn a lot of names from people I had hardly talked with on IRC. That slowed things down. And of course hardly anyone knew me. :)
[10:44] <enrico> ChrisH: unfortunately, the weather was not nice enough for your wive to bring the child to the beach or something like that
[10:45] <ChrisH> enrico: We had one walk at the beach and she absolutely enjoyed being there (after staying in the living room for 9 months with a baby that just talks like a core dump). So she liked it. But it was an obstruction to me.
[10:45] <ChrisH> enrico: After four days I was very glad to be back home.
[10:46] <ChrisH> enrico: Travelling large distances bothers me already. But carrying half of a children room with me and pacify a crying baby is not very relaxing.
[10:53] <enrico> ChrisH: :)
[10:53] <enrico> ChrisH: but the crying baby talking like a core dump is so cute anyway
[10:55] <ChrisH> enrico: Admitted. :) And he is godlike in choosing one-time passwords.
[11:00] <enrico> ChrisH: OH!  That is cool!
[11:00] <enrico> ChrisH: although you risk low entropy maybe?  "babbaababah"
[11:01] <enrico> I made a local full mirror of the repository
[11:01] <enrico> now I try to play with it
[11:24] <enrico> first thing I tried to do, I found a bug in svk! :)
[11:24] <enrico> I'm so powerful :)
[11:41] <cenerentola> enrico: what about your brand new laptop? did you buy it?
[03:15] <enrico> cenerentola: sure!  Bought new laptop the day after I got here, I'm superhappy about it
[03:15] <enrico> cenerentola: saved around 300eur
[03:24] <cenerentola> enrico: vattinne  raccomandato emmerda
[03:24] <cenerentola> should we know the specs?
[03:26] <enrico> cenerentola: :)  ASUS Centrino 1.6, 4hours battery, 768Mb RAM, 60Gb HD, ATI mobility 9000, USB Firewire IrDA PCMCIA, video 14.2, centrino wireless, bag, 1 optical USB mouse, alluminium case: only weights 2.2Kg
[03:26] <enrico> cenerentola: 1088euro all inclusive
[03:27] <cenerentola> dont worry even the "fanculizzati raccomandato" is included DO NOT WORRY or PAIN.
[03:28] <enrico> ChrisH: where??
[03:28] <cenerentola> chrish: have a look on google: powerbook 888p
[03:29] <cenerentola> it costs a little more but it worths every cent
[03:29] <cenerentola> ;)
[03:29] <enrico> cenerentola: oh, and Linux works with all the hardware I tried so far
[03:29] <cenerentola> enrico: blah.. disgustin
[03:29] <enrico> I used the Ubuntu live CD to test the laptop before buying it
[03:30] <cenerentola> enrico: ehehe...  Just with a Pentium M. DVD burner, 256 MB RAM, 30 GB hdd, and (!) XP Home :)
[03:32] <ChrisH> Minus 15% for me. ;)
[03:33] <enrico> ChrisH: sounds like a great deal!!
[03:34] <ChrisH> enrico: At least better than my Pentium III 400 with 128 MB (not upgradable). :(
[03:34] <enrico> Centrinos are nice: lots of battery time, wireless lan (works with linux no ndiswrapper, here at least)
[03:35] <cenerentola> id say works with ubuntu
[03:35] <cenerentola> not every distro has ipw drivers
[03:35] <enrico> yes, works with ubuntu
[03:35] <enrico> In Debian you install the ipw driver source, compile it against the current kernel headers, then download the firmware from Intel (or copy it from Ubuntu)
[03:36] <cenerentola> which is someting "longer"
[03:36] <cenerentola> *h*
[03:36] <enrico> oh, yes
[03:46] <cenerentola> enrico: do you know what kind of windows manager martin schulze uses?
[03:47] <enrico> uh, no, no idea
[03:47] <enrico> But if all windows are fullscreen, or you can't see the background in any way, it must be ion
[03:51] <cenerentola> ok thx
[04:17] <enrico> plovs: hello!
[04:17] <enrico> plovs: around?
[04:17] <sivang> plovs: are you finaly here? ;l)
[04:52] <enrico> question: what is the canonical ubuntu way for burning CDs?
[04:53] <sivang> enrico: you should ask kamoin about it, he has some hackish script that tried to do that
[04:54] <enrico> sivang: you mean, no CD-burning programs in main?
[04:54] <enrico> I don't mean "burning Ubuntu CD images", but just mastering CDs using Ubuntu
[04:54] <sivang> enrico: I don't think so, most of the are in optional
[04:54] <enrico> So, if someone asks "how do I burn a CD with Ubuntu?", what do we answer?
[04:55] <sivang> enrico: nautilus
[04:55] <sivang> enrico: so it's
[04:55] <sivang> _in_ main from the desktop point of view
[04:55] <sivang> that is, you open "nautilus-cd-burner" and use it
[04:55] <sivang> and it comes intalled on the desktop.
[04:58] <enrico> sivang: ok, thanks
[04:58] <enrico> just adding one or two things to the Applications for people migrating from windows part of the users guide
[04:59] <enrico> sivang: BTW, you need to use <para> tags around every paragraph, not only around the full text.  I already fixed your intro in the guide
[04:59] <sivang> enrico: good, please bug me on the intro part - I have sketches somewhere on my desktop and I finally need to get it done :)
[04:59] <sivang> enrico: hehe was just hinking of that :)
[05:00] <sivang> enrico: thanks!
[05:00] <enrico> sivang: please work offline at the moment, as the repository is a bit down
[05:00] <sivang> enrico: yes, we should investigate baz further and have the repo integrated with the rest of the hoary team
[05:00] <sivang> IMHO
[05:01] <enrico> but since you don't quite celebrate Christmas there, you're welcome to bring forward the work while the others idle a bit ;)
[05:01] <enrico> sivang: eh, but it'd be a bit soon now.  We should actually have a stable repo
[05:01] <enrico> I can't understand what's so wrong in it :(
[05:02] <sivang> enrico: wrong about what?
[05:02] <sivang> wow there is even a webmin-burner - CD burning module for webmin
[05:04] <enrico> wrong in that repository: it goes down so often :(
[05:04] <sivang> enrico: I wanted to mail hornbeck something about that, but then felt it was rude so I dropped that idea, you recall he christmas las vegas holiday mail?
[05:05] <enrico> Yes.  But don't worry: I mailed him about it
[05:05] <enrico> asw: hey!
[05:05] <sivang> asw: yo!
[05:06] <sivang> cenerentola: who is martin schulze?
[05:06] <enrico> sivang: btw, about the markup, you can use yelp to directly show the DocBook XML files: this saves time and provides for a quick preview
[05:07] <sivang> enrico: Ah I know, I have this on my desktop:
[05:09] <sivang> enrico: boy net accesss from uni is _so_ slow
[05:09] <sivang> asw: it was very nice meeting though ! :)
[05:10] <sivang> asw: I especially enjoyed listening to you on the chineese resturant :) although I was trying to timeshare between the two sides of the table :)
[05:36] <asw> I enjoyed meeting both of you.  I thought you guys were going to join us when I ended up talking to plovs until 3am.  What happened?
[05:36] <asw> sivang, enrico: but I should really get some food [which is why I'm marked "away"]
[05:51] <sivang> asw: go get some :)
[05:51] <sivang> hey ChrisH
[05:55] <enrico> asw: we had a walk in the beach, then came back, but everyone disappeared
[05:55] <enrico> I spent some time talking with mako about a bunch of important things we had pending
[05:56] <ChrisH> sivang: hey, master :)
[05:57] <enrico> I asked Elmo about the status of svn migration to Canonical webfarm and we chatted a bit about it, trying to sync with the current status of the situation
[05:58] <sivang> ChrisH: hey father to a model to be baby :)
[05:58] <ChrisH> enrico: sounded like elmo is too canonical to like svn :)
[05:58] <enrico> Result, we won't have it before beginning of next year, as Elmo will be in vacation as well starting from today
[05:58] <ChrisH> sivang: say what? :)
[05:58] <enrico> ChrisH: no, not really.  He just has to work out the details to fit us accessing the svn repository with the farm security policy
[05:59] <ChrisH> enrico: I felt they wanted us to migrate it to baz asap
[06:00] <enrico> ChrisH: if they do, then they should set up this baz sandbox one day :)
[06:01] <ChrisH> enrico: true
[06:07] <enrico> going to bed.
[06:21] <cenerentola> asw: ping
[06:29] <plovs> hi all
[07:00] <plovs> ChrisH: hi! i just continued on a doc and find out how to make links working!
[07:03] <ChrisH> plovs: Great. How? :)
[07:09] <plovs>  <link linkend="sect-general">General Notes</link>
[07:10] <plovs> <sect1 id="sect-general">
[07:38] <plovs> svn is down again, at least from here
[07:39] <plovs> poor John, and i thought i had a bad provider
[08:03] <plovs> ChrisH: can you sync with svn?
[08:12] <ChrisH> plovs: Currently I have extreme problems with my workstation. :(
[08:12] <ChrisH> plovs: My main hard disk doesn't boot into anything and the partition table seems to be lost.
[08:37] <plovs> ChrisH: knoppix?
[08:39] <ChrisH> plovs: Using which tool? I've just plugged the disk into my wife's PC and am running gpart. Didn't recover it so far. :(
[09:03] <plovs> ChrisH: does knoppix have testdisk?
[09:03] <plovs> http://www.sleuthkit.org/informer/sleuthkit-informer-15.html#testdisk
[09:09] <plovs> also gpart is supposed to be a good tool for this
[09:13] <plovs> ChrisH: i tried gpart, it is slow but quite nice
[10:07] <sivang> plovs: hey!
[10:20] <sid77> hi
[10:47] <plovs> sivang: hi!
[10:47] <sivang> plovs: ah!
[10:47] <sivang> plovs: finally I talk to you! where have you been the last days?
[10:48] <plovs> we had friends over
[10:48] <plovs> so no computer time
[10:48] <plovs> have you checked out the svn server lately?
[10:51] <plovs> fq2 is starting to look nice
[10:53] <plovs> sivang: and how are you?
[10:55] <sivang> plovs: pretty fine, thanks :)
[10:56] <plovs> have you seen anything of the quickguide that corey is making?
[10:56] <sivang> plovs: not yet :( svn server is mostly down..
[10:56] <plovs> it is not on the svn server
[10:56] <plovs> btw svn is up atm, so check it out
[10:57] <sivang> plovs: ok, I'll do that now.
[11:01] <plovs> sivang: check out fq2/faq2.xml
[11:06] <sivang> plovs: checking now
[11:16] <sivang> plovs: very very nice
[11:16] <sivang> plovs: so we have 2 short guides, one which is task oriented, one which is feature oriented, and one major hand book. cooool
[11:17] <plovs> i thought that would be good
[11:17] <plovs> we need a faq and this one covers almost everything, why reinvent the wheel?
[11:17] <sivang> plovs: I mean, this just provides every user and his taste something he can use. I like the versatility
[11:18] <sivang> plovs: we can reach a broader range of users like that
[11:19] <plovs> ok, i send something to the list
[11:20] <sivang> plovs: please do :-)
[11:20] <sivang> plovs: btw, you shoudl also add to the booting editing list, that now there is a gui app to do that in hoary
[11:20] <sivang> plovs: "boot-admin"
[11:23] <plovs> we must update the whole thing for hoary, i suppose, i finish this and then make a copy of the dir for hoary, so we end up with two versions
[11:25] <sivang> plovs: btw, just seen a topic there - how to access website faster, disable ipv6.
[11:25] <sivang> plovs: how do I do that?
[11:31] <plovs> i'll put it in
[11:37] <plovs> sivang: ok, update svn
[11:38] <sivang> tn
[11:38] <sivang> x
[11:39] <sivang> updated, cna't see the ipv6 disagble section?
[11:41] <plovs> in tips and tricks
[11:42] <plovs> it seems to work
[11:42] <plovs> doesn't crash my browser anyway
[11:42] <plovs> :-)
[11:47] <plovs> ok, i'm of to bed, goodnight!


[13:42] <soee> mamarley: i have noticed that i can't play to good movies now on nvidia card, if i scroll it the video freezes
[13:43] <soee> i think this is after installing latest drivers, on intel profile all seems to be just fine
[13:44] <mamarley> soee: Yeah, that could be the same problem I am seeing.  You didn't really open enough of the glxgears instances before to necessarily reproduce the issue.  Computers with less screen resolution tend to take more instances to reproduce it.
[13:45] <mamarley> soee: If you could, making a reply to https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/977518/linux/problems-with-multiple-opengl-applications-running-simultaneously-with-375-20-on-a-gtx970 might be helpful.  So far there have been 3 responses, but I think all of them are for other 9xx cards.
[13:47] <soee> if only i get password reset email :)
[13:48] <mamarley> I still think the issue is limited to certain generations of cards though because no matter how hard I try, I can't reproduce the issue on my NVS5400m.
[13:56] <soee> mine is 650M so pretty old
[13:56] <soee> bb
[13:56] <soee> brb


[23:24] <teward> hail chaos, the sites and such should be back online (except the bridge, I didn't turn it on at the moment)
[23:27] <wxl> meaning no other services (including telegram) are currently bridged to irc?
[23:28] <wxl> also one thing that wasn't clear: do we plan on keeping matrix.lubuntu.me?
[23:50] <teward> wxl: haven't had any clear decision on whether we're keeping that (that's a wider problem).  as for the bridging I need to fix the bridge
[23:50] <teward> I don't know the status of the Matrix <--> IRC for the Ubuntu homeserver stuff since we've built stuff there now
[23:53] <arraybolt3> wxl: hey you're alive!
[23:53] <arraybolt3> haven't seen you in like months
[23:54] <arraybolt3> it looks like you're not in any of the Lubuntu Matrix rooms on the Ubuntu homeserver? We basically packed up camp and set up shop there.
[23:54] <arraybolt3> #lubuntu-devel:ubuntu.com
[23:54] <arraybolt3> and the #lubuntu:ubuntu.com space


[00:31] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: you around?
[00:31] <Zorael> Can anyone post/reply to the kubuntu-devel mailing list, or is it more aimed for internal communication between Kubuntu devs? (Wanted to add to the ktorrent thread that just opened.)
[00:32] <DarkwingDuck> Go ahead and post my friend
[00:44] <freeflying> Quintasan: JontheEchidna kimpanel is ready for upload, I have pushed those chanches needed into kdeplasma-addons
[00:53] <Lex79> freeflying: we know, I merged your changes for next packaging release (RC2) and I assigned credits to you
[00:53] <Lex79> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdeplasma-addons/ubuntu/annotate/head%3A/debian/changelog
[00:55] <freeflying> Lex79: cool, thx
[00:55] <Lex79> no problem
[00:56] <Lex79> thx for your changes
[01:18] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: yo yo
[01:18] <DarkwingDuck> What's up my friend?
[01:18] <DarkwingDuck> Now that the Camp is over I'm back again :D
[01:19] <nixternal> waiting for my pizza...putting some models together for my nephews
[01:19] <nixternal> how was camp?
[01:19] <DarkwingDuck> Camp was good. Talk on Documentation went VERY well
[01:19] <nixternal> groovy
[01:20] <DarkwingDuck> They taped it... when I get the link I'll toss it out there.
[01:20] <DarkwingDuck> there was a talk about Docs VS wikis that it sparked
[01:21] <nixternal> lovely
[01:21] <nixternal> let me guess, people want to develop docs on the wiki and then use this magical piece of shit that converts it to docbook?
[01:21] <DarkwingDuck> IT wasn't as bad as the ML was getting
[01:22] <DarkwingDuck> No actually, it was more of an Anti-wiki feel
[01:22] <nixternal> groovy, then Phil and I got out point across 2 or 3 years ago
[01:22] <DarkwingDuck> and figuring out how to post the docs onto the web for view
[01:22] <nixternal> that is done automatically at docs.kde.org
[01:23] <DarkwingDuck> kubuntu is vanelia enough to take the docs I write for Kubuntu I can submit to KDE with minor tweaking correct?
[01:24] <nixternal> yes
[01:26] <nixternal> you can also setup a vm, and just install the kde-full package in a vm or on top of a terminal/minimal install only as well
[01:26] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, sweet
[01:27] <DarkwingDuck> I'm redoing the Netbook docs and finishing up the other docs from the ToDo list
[01:32] <daskreech> DarkwingDuck: How was Camp and where are my pictures damnit!
[01:38] <DarkwingDuck> LOL I'll be getting the pictures and the video of all of the presentations
[03:36] <nixternal> oh jjesse you little ass! I see you trying to sneak karmic docs on me
[03:36] <jjesse> that's how i roll
[03:37] <nixternal> jjesse: if you want to work on some lucid docs, grab a couple of mine
[03:37] <jjesse> sure give me one
[03:37] <nixternal> I have already started communications
[03:37] <nixternal> network or printing, your choice
[03:37] <jjesse> nixternal: the reason that i gave the mto you is that understand the process
[03:38] <nixternal> I would say "config-desktop" needs to be worked on, as I don't think blizzz is around
[03:38] <jjesse> ok i'll work on config-desktop
[03:38] <nixternal> jjesse: change out blizzz's name on Kubuntu/Todo/Lucid with yours please
[03:38] <dhillon-v10> nixternal: wasn't I supposed to work on communication
[03:38] <dhillon-v10> nixternal: :)
[03:38] <nixternal> next week I am cracking the whip...if they don't have it done, they lose it
[03:39] <nixternal> dhillon-v10: do you have anything on communication done?
[03:39] <dhillon-v10> nixternal: ahh okay :) I'll finish all my work today, exams are over yay!!!!
[03:39] <nixternal> plus, you have plenty to finish byb next week
[03:39] <nixternal> as do I...grr
[03:39] <dhillon-v10> nixternal: true, but no more exams and I get 3 days off
[03:39] <nixternal> lucky you :)
[03:40] <dhillon-v10> nixternal: are you taking exams? for what?
[03:40] <nixternal> tomorrow I will be working on Karmic docs and translations, all damn day long
[03:40] <nixternal> jjesse: I take it you manully added the pot files to LP for translation?
[03:40] <jjesse> nixternal: i haven't done anything w/ pot files
[03:40] <dhillon-v10> nixternal: translations can be a *huge* pain
[03:40] <jjesse> i have fixed all the bugs that are out there
[03:41] <jjesse> for karmic
[03:41] <nixternal> oh, so now all of the templates need to be uploaded?
[03:41] <nixternal> damn...you could do that, it is easy :)
[03:41] <dhillon-v10> nixternal: oh I am down to 6 bugs in kubuntu-website, isn't that awesome :)
[03:41] <nixternal> regenerate the potfiles and upload them one-by-one using that add button in LP
[03:41] <nixternal> by the time any translations get done, Karmic will be EOL
[03:42] <nixternal> jjesse: did you change a lot of strings?
[03:42] <jjesse> some in several diffferent files
[03:43] <jjesse> just amade it harder didn't i?
[03:44] <nixternal> well....hrmm
[03:44] <nixternal> I am looking at Karmic translations, some have been touching translations since release, though there are quite a few that haven't been touched since 2008
[03:45] <jjesse> that sucks
[03:46] <nixternal> that's why I have been pissed about translations...not lp faults at all, people just aren't translating
[03:46] <jjesse> grumble
[03:47] <dhillon-v10> nixternal: can the translations be reused, that might make your life easy, and I'll help you what do i need to do, upload some templates
[03:48] <nixternal> so I have to dl an entire tarball for say, about-kubuntu, that has a po file for every language that LP supports, then I have to build it, then I have to fix so much stuff because people love translating tags for some reason..then I get those fixed to where they can be tested, to only find out there are probably 10 at best that are at least 60% complete
[03:48] <nixternal> dhillon-v10: yes they can, but it doesn't do shit for making anything easier
[03:48] <nixternal> people will translate like 1 line or some shit, so it gets marked as changed and included in the tarball
[03:49] <dhillon-v10> nixternal: alirght I guess that I'll help you :) you have been helping me all the time, so I guess this time I can do something, so in short what can I do
[03:49] <dhillon-v10> *then
[03:49] <nixternal> jeesh, people are still translating karmic strings
[03:50] <jjesse> why?  they won't get updated will they?
[03:50] <jjesse> there should be a way to freeze lp translations
[03:53] <nixternal> about-kubuntu is broken
[03:56] <jjesse> thats the href i didn't know how to fix correct?
[03:57] <nixternal> no, this is messed up with sect1 and sect2's out of place
[03:57] <nixternal> trying to figure that one out
[03:58] <jjesse> oh ok
[03:59] <dhillon-v10> nixternal: what a nice way to say I am marking this bug invalid because this feature is useless, it really is because this guy is talking about the date change in 1924
[03:59] <dhillon-v10> nixternal: here: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69102
[04:01]  * jjesse beds drop me a message with questions/concerns
[04:02] <dhillon-v10> jjesse: so I should leave that one alone then
[04:03] <nixternal> fixed
[04:04] <nixternal> jjesse: I just removed those 2 xrefs from hardware
[04:15] <nixternal> jjesse: uploaded translation pot files to LP
[04:20] <nixternal> jjesse: sent email to translation coordinators letting them know there are 18 new templates awaying approval...also asked them to remove 2 templates that are bogus and tend to break things even more when I go to do the translation packaging.
[04:37] <dhillon-v10> nixternal: something really important I just noticed, lucid is going to get HAL removed right, Solid depends on that and it crashes it HAL isn't found how are we going to deal with that
[04:47] <daskreech> Does searching for even simple things work for you with nepomuk on?
[07:00] <markey> oook, this time I only had to plug in the keyboard 8 times, after reboot
[07:00] <markey> not too bad
[07:00] <maco> criminey!
[07:00] <markey> 10 was the record, I think
[07:06] <kyubutsu> whys isnt quassel good enough for lucid?
[07:07] <kyubutsu> what are the alternatives ?
[07:09] <daskreech> Konversation
[07:36] <Quintasan> sup?
[08:59] <agateau> Riddell: ping
[09:01] <agateau> Upgraded my desktop to from Karmic to Lucid. Only failure so far (haven't rebooted yet) is this one http://pastebin.ca/1761297
[09:02] <agateau> I worked around it with "sudo dpkg -r --force-depends kdepim-runtime-libs4"
[09:02] <agateau> Is this a known/fixed bug?
[09:02] <agateau> should I report it on LP?
[09:19] <agateau> ok, time for a reboot
[10:06] <jussi01> hrm, is there any way to give a specific application a different theme to the rest of them?
[10:25] <agateau> jussi01: yes, myapp -style <name-of-style>
[10:25] <jussi01> agateau: does that go for coulors also?
[10:25] <jussi01> colours
[10:25] <agateau> jussi01: what do you mean?
[10:26] <jussi01> agateau: ie. can I have my irc client in dark colours, and the rest in the default theme coulors?
[10:26] <agateau> jussi01: oh, color schemes
[10:26] <agateau> jussi01: not sure about this
[10:26] <jussi01> yeah
[10:26]  * jussi01 prays an hopes
[10:26] <agateau> I don't think so :/
[10:27]  * jussi01 goes to ask in #kde
[10:27] <agateau> jussi01: except if you go crazy and create a .qss file
[10:28] <jussi01> agateau: yeah, Ive a qss file for it, but got to figure out then how to change the border parts :D
[10:31]  * jussi01 would just like to apply the theme for this one app, ie. obsidian coast and keep the rest as kubuntu defaults
[10:31] <agateau> jussi01: there may be a hackish way to do so:
[10:32] <agateau> create a different .kde folder for it
[10:32] <agateau> and start it with KDEHOME=/my/dark/.kde myapp
[10:32] <agateau> not sure it would work
[10:33] <jussi01> hrm, that may work..
[10:33]  * jussi01 thinks furiously
[10:37] <tseliot> Riddell, ScottK: Keybuk suggested that I postpone the creation of a plymouth theme package for Kubuntu as things will change soon upstream as regards as theme selection
[10:43] <Sput> jussi01: talking about Quassel?
[10:43] <Sput> you can change the color of all UI elements in Qt/KDE apps
[10:43] <jussi01> Sput: yeah, I am.
[10:43] <Sput> just need to figure out the appropriate qss incantations :)
[10:44] <jussi01> Sput: hang on, screenie coming.. :D
[10:44] <Sput> for general widgety stuff, QWidget { ... } could work
[10:46] <jussi01> http://jussi01.com/upload/uploads/20100122-124607-snapshot2.png
[10:46] <glatzor> Riddell,
[11:05] <Riddell> Tm_T: did you take the hint and join a different freenode server? :)
[11:38] <Tm_T> Riddell: nah, irssi did it itself
[11:43] <Tm_T> actually it was pleasantly calm before reconnection (;
[11:58] <jussi01> Hrm, has anyone installed todays daily?
[11:59] <jussi01> ie. is lucid installable atm
[11:59] <Riddell> unlikely
[12:00] <jussi01> Riddell: unlikely someones tried it or unlikely its installable?
[12:01] <Riddell> unlikely anyone has tried it
[12:03] <tseliot> Riddell: ^^^^
[12:03] <tseliot> in case you missed my message
[12:07] <Riddell> tseliot: right, thanks, I guess we'll wait then
[12:07]  * tseliot nods
[12:36] <Riddell> ScottK: re bug 487415 I think the correct solution is to add a build-dep on zlib to quassel
[12:37] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  I filed that before the recent discussion openssl, so OK.  I agree
[13:52] <agateau> Riddell: got my message this morning about libkdepim problem during upgrade?
[13:52] <Riddell> agateau: oh yes sorry, I need to look at that
[13:52] <Riddell> will be just a missing replaces somewhere
[13:53] <Riddell> agateau: how did you upgrade, just changed sources.list and dist-upgrade?
[13:53] <agateau> Riddell: yes
[13:53] <agateau> not the correct way?
[13:54] <ScottK> agateau: Sput has expressed some interest in supporting the new systray protocol, but has got a complicated situation where he needs to support the old one too for older KDE and Qt builds.  Would you be able to help him out a bit with this?
[13:54] <agateau> ScottK: would it be KDE only?
[13:55] <ScottK> agateau: Yes.
[13:55] <jjesse_> agateau: i think the correct way is the do-upgrade and the correct command switch
[13:55] <ScottK> Meaning only for the KDE builds.
[13:55] <agateau> ScottK: Then the KDE class KStatusNotifierItem takes care of this
[13:55] <Sput> hmmm... I'd actually prefer it for the Qt builds as well
[13:55] <agateau> jjesse_: never heard of do-upgrade
[13:55] <jjesse_> agateau: do-release-upgrade -d
[13:55] <ScottK> agateau: Nevermind.  He can speak for himself.
[13:55]  * agateau checks whether it's installed here
[13:55] <jjesse_> to upgrade to the development release
[13:56] <Sput> agateau: is Gnome already supporting this protocol in any way? and if they start to, will it still be in the KDE dbus namespace?
[13:56] <ScottK> Sput: Canonical is doing a Gnome implementation for Ubuntu Lucid.  My understand is that upstream is still TBD.
[13:56] <agateau> Sput: my colleagues at Canonical are working on bringing this to GNOME as well
[13:57] <Sput> agateau: right now I'd prefer to use dbus, since it wouldn't require kdelibs (their namechange mid-4.4 made things nasty too), but I'm not sure which dbus interface to use
[13:57] <agateau> Sput: whether it will be org.kde or org.freedesktop depends on the outcome of current discussions happening on freedesktop ML
[13:57] <Sput> agateau: hmmm, and how would that work then? moving the dbus spec to another namespace (fdo)?
[13:57] <Sput> aaah ok
[13:57] <Sput> so if I used the kde dbus interface now, would that be working in ubuntu for gnome then?
[13:57] <agateau> Sput: yes
[13:58] <agateau> and on non-ubuntu gnome as well
[13:58] <Sput> good to know, so that would probably be the right thing then
[13:58] <Sput> ah?
[13:58] <agateau> oh, no
[13:58] <agateau> I thought you meant the kde class
[13:58] <Sput> no, I mean the dbus interface directly, in order to support proper tray icons for the non-KDE version
[13:59] <agateau> we are not sure for now which dbus namespace is going to be used for Lucid :/
[13:59] <agateau> I'd rather see support for the new system implemented in Qt, but it's not going to happen soon
[13:59] <Sput> so it's kinda messy I guess
[13:59] <Sput> yeah, that would be preferable
[13:59] <Sput> we're currently using {Q|K}SystemTrayIcon
[14:00] <agateau> You could use {QSystemTrayIcon|KStatusNotifierItem} for now
[14:00] <Sput> that's completely orthogonal to the notification/libindicate stuff, right?
[14:00] <agateau> it's probably the safest thing to do
[14:00] <agateau> rgiht
[14:00] <agateau> right
[14:00] <Sput> ok
[14:00] <Sput> hmm, true
[14:00] <agateau> despite the confusing names on the gnome side :/
[14:01] <Sput> as stock gnome isn't supporting KDE's spec right now, it probably doesn't make too much sense for Quassel to support it in non-KDE builds
[14:01] <Sput> KStatusNotifierItem would only work in KDE 4.4+ though
[14:01] <agateau> indeed
[14:01] <Sput> we... so would the dbus spec
[14:01] <Sput> *well
[14:01] <agateau> you shouldn't get any regression
[14:01] <Sput> the class changed names between 4.3 and 4.4
[14:02] <Sput> so you couldn't build against 4.3
[14:02] <Riddell> agateau: do you think we can talk to ted about the gnome library naming? GStatusNotifierItem would be so much better
[14:02] <agateau> Riddell: I don't think so
[14:02] <Riddell> agateau: you think he's set on his overly generic name?
[14:02] <agateau> I already made them change from libcustomindicator to libappindicator
[14:03]  * Sput is glad that he encapsulated the systray stuff in Quassel, so it should be possible to support different backends without changing too much code
[14:03] <agateau> Riddell: not only him, but Jono, the design team, Mark...
[14:03] <Riddell> oh well.  I still don't see what's wrong with calling it a systray icon
[14:03] <agateau> Sput: smart move
[14:03] <agateau> Riddell: too geeky :)
[14:03] <Sput> Riddell: because it doesn't need to be shown in anything resembling a systray :)
[14:03] <agateau> Riddell: and GNOME never called this a systray
[14:04] <agateau> Riddell: on the gnome side it's called the "notification area"
[14:04] <Riddell> they just like to be difficult :)
[14:04] <agateau> :)
[14:05] <Sput> agateau: so there were some blog posts on p.g.o where they were talking about this new systray stuff, highlighting the cooperation with KDE - yet when I checked the code, it looks like they have their own, subtly different dbus interface now, is that true?
[14:05] <agateau> Sput: I am working with ted (the blog author) to get the differences out
[14:05] <Sput> Riddell: you just fail to understand why it is better for users! like with exchanging the order of OK/Cancel compared to any other DE outside!
[14:06] <Riddell> let's not be starting a flamewar :)
[14:06] <Sput> agateau: ah, so the goal is still to converge to the same interface, at some point
[14:07] <agateau> Sput: yes, "some point" hopefully being positioned before Lucid release
[14:07] <Sput> oh. that would be soon.
[14:07] <Sput> maybe I should go for using the dbus interface directly then
[14:07] <Sput> renaming that to a different namespace would be less trouble than whipping out yet another backend
[14:08] <agateau> Sput: I would suggest starting with KStatusNotifierItem for now, it's probably less work to do
[14:08] <agateau> and maybe at one point Qt will learn about this new system
[14:08] <ScottK> Maybe Canonical will contribute a Qt implementation?
[14:11] <agateau> ScottK: I'd love to
[14:11] <agateau> ScottK: but I'd wait until the dust has settled down
[14:11] <ScottK> Agreed.
[14:22] <Tonio_> hi there
[14:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: do you have an idea if the support service sold by canonical is available in french or not ?
[14:23] <Tonio_> if not who may I ask over IRC for this ?
[14:23] <agateau> Tonio_: it is
[14:23] <agateau> Tonio_: support is based in Montréal so they may have an accent :)
[14:24] <Tonio_> agateau: well this question if for the quebec government :)
[14:24] <Tonio_> agateau: I work for a canadian company now :)
[14:24] <agateau> Tonio_: oh great then!
[14:24] <Tonio_> agateau: thanks for the quick response :)
[14:27] <agateau> Tonio_: you're welcome! so you sold Ubuntu (or even better Kubuntu?) to the quebec government?
[14:27] <Tonio_> agateau: in the work for now :)
[14:28] <Tonio_> agateau: a desktop project, and we are trying to push ubuntu, but we are not the ones to choose :)
[14:28] <Tonio_> agateau: just consulting atm
[14:29] <e-jat> is kde sc 4.4 rc2 on build?
[14:29] <agateau> Tonio_: great
[14:31] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes, that's why it's in Montreal
[14:31] <Riddell> e-jat: testers needed
[14:32] <e-jat> its at kubuntu ppa beta ?
[14:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: well that's not obvious, Redhat for example only offers english
[14:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: but it's true they are in ontario :)
[14:34] <e-jat> Riddell: ?
[14:34] <Riddell> e-jat: karmic or lucid?
[14:34] <e-jat> Riddell: karmic
[14:35] <Riddell> e-jat: that source and put results at bottom of https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging
[14:37] <e-jat> Riddell: thanks .. will do ..
[14:39] <e-jat> Riddell: u mean the PPA Testing KDE 4.3.95 column ?
[14:40] <Riddell> yes
[14:40] <e-jat> ok ..
[15:51] <Riddell> miracle of miracles, today's i386 CD isn't oversized
[15:51] <Riddell> just that amd64 to whip into shape
[15:52] <ScottK> \o/
[15:52] <markey> Riddell: that Choqok upgrade is giving me trouble
[15:52] <markey> 100% CPU, 2008MB RAM (Virt) usage...
[15:53] <markey> it does weird things
[15:53] <markey> now it hangs entirely
[15:53] <Riddell> waa
[15:53]  * markey tries deleting config
[15:53] <markey> it has done this before, and somehow nuking the config often fixes that, I found
[15:53] <markey> let's see
[15:55] <Riddell> markey: wait, what upgrade?
[15:55] <markey> Riddell: there came one this morning, from backports or so
[15:56] <markey> hmm
[15:56] <markey> wait
[15:56] <markey> I got that from a PPA
[15:56] <markey> from neversfelde, I think
[15:56] <markey> I guess he upgraded it
[15:56] <markey> that makes sense
[15:56] <Riddell> yeah must be neversfelde's archive
[15:56] <markey> right, sorry for the confusion
[15:56] <Riddell> neversfelde never subscribed ubuntu-archive to bug 510244 so it hasn't been synced into the main archive yet
[15:57] <ScottK> This reminds me.
[15:57] <ScottK> Riddell: Would you please do the backport in bug 488633.  It covers a security fix.
[15:57] <markey> ok, deleted the complete ~/.kde/share/apps/choqok
[15:58] <markey> one "backuprc" file in there had grown to 300Kb, or so
[15:58] <markey> fishy
[15:59] <Riddell> hum, maybe more testing needed before a sync
[15:59] <Riddell> grumble backport script can only do one distro release at a time grumble
[16:00] <markey> ok, nuking this folder seems to have helped
[16:00] <markey> all back to normal now
[16:00] <markey> :)
[16:00] <markey> other than that, Choqok is becoming really nice :)
[16:00] <markey> great app, I think
[16:02] <neversfelde> markey: this isn't an official update, only a snapshot package from latest trunk
[16:02] <markey> neversfelde: yep, sorry for confusion
[16:03] <markey> anyway, seems to work fine now
[16:03] <neversfelde> anyway, it is for testing, because I am still not sure, if it is a good idea to use it in 10.04
[16:03] <neversfelde> works fine for me, too
[16:03] <Riddell> neversfelde: but I should still do that sync request?
[16:07] <neversfelde> Riddell: I got less negative feedback so far, so the new version seems to be stable and nearly feature complete. I use it myself for a few days now and it is ok for me. The most important argument is, that upstream wants us to ship the new version,  so I will subscribe ubuntu-archive to the bug report later.
[16:11] <markey> neversfelde: I found that Choqok often has issues with handling upgrades correctly. but once you nuke these timeline cache foo files, it works fine again
[16:11] <markey> dunno if mtux knows about that
[16:12] <neversfelde> markey: I think he knows, at least I saw a user talking with him about it on identi.ca
[16:12] <markey> mtux is very busy these days, he's in the army I think
[16:13] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks on the backport.
[16:13] <neversfelde> yes and there isn't a good network connection in iran, seems that they block ssh ports there.
[16:14] <agateau> ScottK: I kind of remember you told me at UDS if I created a standalone version of the Ayatana notifications you could get them in Lucid,
[16:15] <ScottK> agateau: I said I would help you with it, yes.
[16:15] <agateau> ScottK: oh,
[16:15] <agateau> so time for me to learn packaging then
[16:15] <ScottK> agateau: A lot of new packages get proposed, but don't get reivewed.
[16:16] <ScottK> I can make sure it gets reviewed.
[16:16] <agateau> ScottK: ok
[16:16] <ScottK> There are also probably plenty of people here than can help you with the packaging.
[16:16] <agateau> I guess so :)
[16:17] <ScottK> I'm also glad to answer questions too.
[16:17] <agateau> ok thanks
[16:18] <agateau> I may give it a try this weekend
[16:18] <ScottK> Riddell: Are you going to give the Kubuntu update in the release team meeting?
[16:19] <Riddell> ScottK: I have some notes
[16:19] <Riddell> bottom of https://wiki.kubuntu.org/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus
[16:20] <ScottK> OK
[16:31] <txwikinger> Is it only me, or are there still more issues between X and KDE than was in 3.5?
[16:42] <txwikinger> are the concoles that are acccessible via CTRL-ALT-F1-6 started by KDE or before in the boot process?
[16:46] <ScottK> The VTs are started before KDE.
[16:46] <Riddell> they're Linux
[16:46] <txwikinger> good. than it is not a KDE bug :)
[16:46] <txwikinger> then
[16:46] <Riddell> probably plymouth/KMS
[16:47] <txwikinger> I have none of them starting anymore
[16:49] <txwikinger> well. I just remember the gettys used to be started in inittab
[16:49] <txwikinger> now it should be upstart, I would think
[16:50] <ScottK> It has been since Edgy
[16:50] <txwikinger> wow.. I haven't poked around in this stuff for a long time
[16:51] <ScottK> Dapper was the last Ubuntu release to install inittab on a new install
[16:52] <txwikinger> cool.. I can start them simply with service
[17:03] <Riddell> splitting up network-manager-vpnc should let us get rid of a load of gnomeism on the CD
[17:04] <Riddell> I've got rid of gcc and linux-headers
[17:04] <Riddell> and openoffice.org-impress on amd64 just for good luck (Ubuntu doesn't ship it although I'd prefer to keep it if we can find space later)
[17:05] <Riddell> hmm, I think plasma-widget-lancelot should be a suggests and not a recommends, we don't need that on the CD
[17:05] <ScottK> Agreed.
[17:06] <Riddell> changed in bzr
[17:28] <dhillon-v10> hi all, when packaging an upstream product that has revision history, what happens to the history do I just delete it or make a .orig tarball from all of that and then delete it in the folder that is going to have debian folder in it
[17:53] <ejat> Riddell: i've updated https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging
[17:53] <ejat> kinda having some timeout with the ppa
[19:02] <dhillon-v10> nixternal: ping regarding docs.
[19:07] <nixternal> yo
[19:08] <nixternal> dhillon-v10: yo
[19:10]  * nixternal wonders if he should document the gnome counterparts for both networking and printing
[19:21] <dhillon-v10> nixternal: oh hey, there's a doc. written for samba file sharing that we need in kubuntu in ubuntu-docs, I submitted some patches to it so I was wondering if we could use that docs. making some minor edits and importing the whole thing over at kubuntu, I looked at it and seems like it would work :)
[19:21] <dhillon-v10> nixternal: and btw irssi rocks :)
[19:33] <nixternal> dhillon-v10: what doc is this?
[19:40] <dhillon-v10> nixternal: ubuntu-docs/serverguide/C/windows-networking.xml
[19:43] <nixternal> everything in there is related to server functions...I don't mind linking to help.ubuntu.com for it, but pulling it in and having to remember to watch it in lp:ubuntu-docs is a pita
[19:43] <nixternal> especially since bzr doesn't do externals
[19:47] <dhillon-v10> nixternal: alright so should I write the doc for file sharing from scratch, that's the only thing I wanted to copy over
[19:48] <nixternal> I am going to cover it in the network topic
[19:48] <nixternal> work on the docs in the todo list, there is less than a week before I close them off and take everyone's documents that aren't complete
[19:49] <nixternal> dhillon-v10: oh wait, you are doing the sharing topic, yeah, do that
[19:49] <nixternal> incorporate what you need in the sharing document
[19:50] <dhillon-v10> nixternal: alright :)
[19:50] <nixternal> forgot we had a sharing topic :)
[19:51] <daskreech> is there a fix for the choqok Qt Pixmap crash?
[19:51] <nixternal> just finished the communications topic, well except for IRC, because I am not going to waste my time documenting an IRC client just for it to be changed in a month
[19:56] <jjesse> nixternal: don't worry once you document it they will change it back
[19:56] <jjesse> i picked up config last night didn't i?
[19:57] <nixternal> yes
[19:58] <nixternal> are there "restricted drivers" for ethernet cards or do they all just work?
[19:58]  * nixternal notes the network topics sucks to write
[19:58] <ScottK> There are ones that don't work, but AFAIK we don't provide drivers.  They are rare.
[19:58] <jjesse> so should i be paying attention to this whole mallard discussion on ubuntu-docs list?
[19:59] <nixternal> jjesse: not really
[20:04] <nixternal> hey, network mangler doesn't do static right? you have to close nm and then set it up via /etc/network/interfaces right?
[20:04] <jjesse> nixternal: thanks i will continue to ignore
[20:04] <nixternal> or has that all since changed?
[20:04] <nixternal> haven't used static in ages
[20:05] <ScottK> nixternal: No.  Works fine.
[20:05] <nixternal> oh rock on, thanks
[20:05] <ScottK> nixternal: Wait.
[20:05] <ScottK> I was thinking of something else.
[20:06] <ScottK> I have some computers with static DHCP (dhcp always gives them the same IP).  I got confused.
[20:06] <nixternal> lol
[20:06] <ScottK> That's still dhcp as far as the client is concerned
[20:06] <nixternal> right, my router does that, so everything is config'd via dhcp anyways
[20:09] <ScottK> tomplast: You there?
[20:09] <tomplast> Yup
[20:09] <ScottK> tomplast: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionProcess is where you start.
[20:09] <tomplast> ^^
[20:10] <tomplast> ty
[20:10] <tomplast> Do I need to be a Kubuntu member to be able to go through with this?
[20:17] <neversfelde> is this http://wiki.debian.org/SandroTosi/Svn_get-orig-source up to date? Do I need to create a get-orig-source rule, when packaging from SVN or git repository?
[20:20] <ScottK> tomplast: No.
[20:20] <ScottK> tomplast: You need to gather the information asked for in the wiki page and then ask me for a review when you've got it.
[20:21] <Quintasan> \o
[20:22] <dhillon-v10> Quintasan: hi there :)
[20:24] <Quintasan> dhillon-v10: sup, any problems with phonon-backends? or you did not get to it yet?
[20:25] <dhillon-v10> Quintasan: started, but have a question: what happens to all the revision history ?? should that go into the .orig tarball and deleted from the working directory
[20:26] <Quintasan> dhillon-v10: do you mean .svn directory?
[20:26] <Quintasan> dhillon-v10: I remove it and I belive it is correct to do so
[20:27] <Quintasan> find . -name .svn -exec rm -rf {} \;
[20:27] <Quintasan> dhillon-v10: ^^
[20:27] <Quintasan> automagicall way to do it :P
[20:27] <ryanakca_> neversfelde: No clue, but morph_ (Sandro Tosi) is around in #debian-python on OFTC if you want to ask him
[20:28] <Quintasan> dhillon-v10: in SVN each directory contains .svn and it's a bit tedious to remove em by hand :P
[20:29] <neversfelde> ryanakca_: thanks, I will probably ask him.
[20:30] <dhillon-v10> Quintasan: yeah I did for some directories and was wondering if that's the right thing so thanks again
[20:31] <Quintasan> dhillon-v10: no probs, waiting to see your packages :P
[20:32] <Lex79> is there a new upstream release of phonon-backends?
[20:32] <dhillon-v10> Lex79: it was never packaged :) AFAIK
[20:32] <dhillon-v10> Lex79: atleast not for karmic, I saw that on the wiki page
[20:32] <tomplast> ScottK: So I will just gather the information and not file a MIR bug before you reviews it, right?
[20:33] <Lex79> dhillon-v10: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/phonon-backends
[20:33] <Lex79> dhillon-v10: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/beta/+packages?field.name_filter=phonon-backends&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=
[20:33] <ScottK> tomplast: You can file it.  Just don't subscribe the ubuntu-mir team.  Let me review it and do that once it's ready.
[20:34] <Lex79> Riddell: I'm packaging the new upstream release of qscintilla2
[20:34] <tomplast> ScottK: Sure, will do a thorough job :). Today or tomorrow I will be finished. I'll send you a note when completed.
[20:36] <dhillon-v10> Lex79: thanks for the link, but it says here: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging that hasn't been packaged so what should I do ??
[20:38] <Lex79> that it means there is no a new upstream release...so you/we should do nothing for the moment
[20:40] <ScottK> tomplast: Just ping me here.  I'm usually around.
[20:40] <tomplast> ScottK: Sure, will do.
[20:40] <dhillon-v10> Lex79: so is there anything left that hasn't been packaged for kubuntu
[20:44] <Lex79> dhillon-v10:  for example , you can watch on kde-apps if we need a new upstream release of our packages
[20:44] <Lex79> or in kde-look
[20:45] <Lex79> about packages in Universe I meant
[20:45] <dhillon-v10> Lex79: alright thanks :)
[20:46] <Lex79> np
[21:05] <sistpoty> Hi
[21:05] <daskreech> hi
[21:05] <sistpoty> does anyone have a clue if that patch is still required? http://paste.ubuntu.com/360873/
[21:06] <sistpoty> (updating k9copy to new upstream version)
[21:06] <sistpoty> (it builds fine, but I have no kde around to test phonon backends)
[21:08] <dhillon-v10> nixternal: should I include samba-share-security as a topic in file-sharing ?
[21:17] <Lex79> sistpoty: you can drop that patch, I can test your package if your want
[21:17] <Lex79> s/your/you
[21:31] <sistpoty> Lex79: that would be excellent... amd64?
[21:31] <Lex79> yep
[21:31]  * ScottK likes how the freenode ops PM everyone about spam and don't click on the links with a link for details.
[21:32] <Lex79> ahahah :)
[21:32] <neversfelde> :)
[21:33] <txwikinger> ScottK: Don't click it!
[21:35] <sistpoty> Lex79: http://spooky.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/~sistpoty/k9copy/
[21:35] <sistpoty> (sources will follow soonish in this folder
[21:35] <sistpoty> +)
[21:36] <txwikinger> Lex79: Don't click the link ;)
[21:36] <Lex79> ok
[21:37] <sistpoty> haha
[21:37] <Lex79> nope :)
[21:39] <sistpoty> sources there as well... if you dare to click :P
[21:42] <Lex79> ok
[21:42] <Lex79> :)
[21:43] <Lex79> neversfelde: well, we have finished with 4.3.5 :)
[21:43] <neversfelde> Lex79: yes :), I will upload the missing packages in a few minutes
[21:43] <Lex79> good
[21:44] <neversfelde> how about  kde-l10n ?
[21:45] <Lex79> dunno
[21:46] <neversfelde> I have never done anything with it, so I have no idea how to create these packages.
[21:46] <ScottK> Riddell has a script.
[21:46] <neversfelde> ok
[21:47] <nixternal> Riddell: +R this channel or anyone with ops
[21:47] <nixternal> freenode is getting attacked yet once again
[21:47] <Lex79> neversfelde: btw I think it's not need to upload l10n to staging since 4.3.5 will go to karmic-backports
[21:48] <neversfelde> yes, forgot about this
[21:49] <sistpoty> Lex79: sorry, got to go to bed right now... if you've find regressions with k9copy, please mail me (sistpoty@ubuntu.com), otherwise I'll just upload it once I wake up tomorrow
[21:49] <sistpoty> gn8
[21:49] <Lex79> sistpoty: ok, it seems work btw
[21:50] <sistpoty> Lex79: cool, thanks!
[21:50] <Lex79> no problem
[21:50] <sistpoty> Lex79: so I can upload it right now?
[21:50] <Lex79> yeah, upload please :)
[21:50] <sistpoty> Lex79: ok, thanks again!
[21:50] <Lex79> sistpoty: good night :)
[22:11] <markey> neversfelde: Choqok is still acting weird here (eating CPU, etc)
[22:11] <markey> got similar issues?
[22:12] <neversfelde> markey: no, everything is fine here and I did not herad of similiar problems, too
[22:13] <markey> ok, then I guess I'll simply have to remove the whole of the config files
[22:13] <daskreech> Choqok won't start for me
[22:13] <daskreech> Some Qt pixmap bug
[22:13] <markey> daskreech: ah well, Qt 4.6.0?
[22:14] <markey> that's a known bug then
[22:14] <markey> and very nasty
[22:14] <daskreech> Ah so I need a new Qt?
[22:14] <markey> many apps are getting a taste of that
[22:14] <markey> yes
[22:14] <markey> 4.6.0 is a disaster
[22:14] <daskreech> hmm wonder which I have
[22:14] <markey> use 4.6.1 (or 4.5)
[22:15] <daskreech> Yep 4.6.0
[22:16] <Riddell> evening
[22:16] <daskreech> hi Riddell
[23:55] <daskreech> Nepomuksearches pretend they work now
[23:55] <daskreech>  Progress!
[23:55] <daskreech> And I have a search bar again :)


[04:17] <mahgiaz47> is ubuntu 11.04 Alpha 3 the latest?
[04:18] <aveilleux> mahgiaz47: I believe so. The latest testing version, anyway. The latest stable is 10.10.
[04:20] <mahgiaz47> ya i accidently upgraded, and quite honestly some features are great but others are not that good
[04:21] <aveilleux> mahgiaz47: How did you accidentally upgrade to 11.04? It's not in the normal upgrade path yet.
[04:22] <mahgiaz47> through terminal, it wasnt actually accidentally but i was just a little curious, then i just ended up upgrading
[04:23] <mahgiaz47> "upgrade-manager -d" in terminal
[04:43] <nlsthzn> I seem unable to force apt-get to install packages it is saying it is holding back... I read the man page but none of the switches seem to do the trick
[04:44] <holstein> i usually try aptitude in that scenario
[04:44] <nlsthzn> holstein: me too... forgot :p (got to go install it then :D)
[05:56] <halpbatman> does anyone here use tonido?
[05:58] <bioterror> Tue13:51*<halpbatman> has anyone else tried setting up ssh server?
[05:58] <bioterror> did you install it?
[05:58] <halpbatman> i have ssh server set up
[05:58] <halpbatman> as well as tonido
[06:04] <halpbatman> bioterror: the problem i was having was the the dsl modem at home goes through a VoIP adaptor and then to a router
[06:05] <halpbatman> bioterror: so the port forwarding was bit tricky
[06:41] <reedyy> Hi
[06:43] <reedyy> having trouble with Ubuntu install,installs fine but when it boots I get the terminal screen asking for my username and login..I log in but then my screen goes black and laptop does nothing :(
[06:44] <reedyy> dual boot on a toshiba laptop,win 7 and ubuntu 10.10
[06:47] <bioterror> problems with X
[06:48] <bioterror> check what you have in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[06:49] <bioterror> if you can enter another virtual console by pressing ctrl alt and f2
[07:06] <beachbuddah> hi all - anybody got any special knowledge about cd/dvd drives
[07:06] <beachbuddah> ?
[07:10] <yax51> does anyone know anything about the asus g50 oled daemon?
[07:39] <yax51> I recently installed Ubuntu 10.10, and now I can't get my mic working, or headphone jack to work
[07:40] <yax51> I've gone through the comprehensive sound guide in the forums, but that didn't help
[07:43] <zkriesse> yax51: What type of mic/headphone?
[07:43] <zkriesse> USB or regular plug in
[07:44] <yax51> internal mic, regular headphone jack
[07:45] <yax51> http://paste.ubuntu.com/577716/
[07:45] <yax51> I think it might be the drivers, my card is actually a Realtek
[07:45] <zkriesse> Good man for using pastebin!
[07:45] <zkriesse> :D
[07:46] <zkriesse> Hmm
[07:46] <zkriesse> I can do some quick research
[07:46] <yax51> this isn;t my first rodeo :p
[07:46] <zkriesse> Ah ok
[07:46] <yax51> I've actually just re-installed it, I had all of it working at one point, but cant remember how I did, it was a long time ago
[07:47] <zkriesse> Oh ok
[07:52] <yax51> zkriesse: I ended up putting the line "options snd-hda-intel model=g71v" in the file "/etc/modprobe.d/alsa.conf" and rebooting. This got my headphone jack working properly on my Asus g50vt-x5. Good luck!
[07:52] <yax51> Thanks, Tinka. It worked for me on Asus g50vt-x6
[07:52] <yax51> I found this in the forums....going to try a reboot
[07:53] <yax51> this does look familiar....
[07:53] <zkriesse> Great
[07:58] <yax51> SWEET!!!
[07:58] <yax51> ok got that going and the mic too
[07:59] <yax51> however with the mic, I can only control it via alsamixer, not in sound preferences at all
[08:02] <zkriesse> Argh
[08:02] <zkriesse> That sucks
[08:03] <yax51> yeah, might need to tweak it a little, but I remember it was really easy, almost too easy, and I know it had to do with the model....
[08:03] <zkriesse> :)
[08:10] <yax51> yay! got it!!
[08:10] <yax51> it WAS the model!
[08:16] <zkriesse> yax51: Awesome
[08:16] <zkriesse> yax51: Lol, not many people come here and then solve their own issues :D
[08:16] <zkriesse> yax51: Maybe you should right a doc on it or improve existing docs
[08:18] <yax51> zkriesse: I know right, but I find just giving voice to the question, and usuing others as a sounding board helps to to look at the problem differently
[08:18] <zkriesse> Indeed
[08:18] <zkriesse> I find that helps...indeed it does.
[08:18] <yax51> zkriesse: mayeb I should just post a new thread on the forums.....or is there another way I should go about doing it
[08:19] <zkriesse> Forums would be ideal
[08:19] <zkriesse> Under the How-To section for sure
[08:28] <yax51> yay my first thread!!
[08:28] <yax51> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10539903#post10539903
[08:29] <yax51> now that that is taken care of, anyone know anything about asusg50oled daemon?
[08:30] <zkriesse> Nadaa
[08:30] <zkriesse> Nada
[08:34] <yax51> http://asusg50oled.sourceforge.net/
[08:34] <yax51> check it out it's pretty frakkin sweet!
[08:44] <yax51> I just wish there was something like that for windows
[08:48]  * brandin just installed Redshift
[08:48] <brandin> can really see just how bad these TN panels are with this.
[08:49] <brandin> much better on the eyes tho.
[12:59] <ray_> I got a some what dumb question
[13:00] <duanedesign> no dumb questions, only answers
[13:00] <duanedesign> :)
[13:00] <ray_> Is there a google free search engine
[13:00] <ray_> I mean
[13:00] <ray_> that searches for things that are only free
[13:00] <ray_> Never mind
[13:01] <ray_> I will ask a different question
[13:01] <ray_> I am a drummer
[13:01] <ray_> and I am looking for free drum samples
[13:02] <duanedesign> there are google search sites that search Ubuntu related stuff
[13:02] <ray_> specifically roto tom samples in wave or what ever format like mp3 ogg whatever can be played through a music player
[13:02] <duanedesign> ohh, you are looking for free (non software) stuff
[13:02] <ray_> Right
[13:02] <ray_> I looked and looked
[13:03] <ray_> it says it's free but then I don't find what I am looking for that it says it has
[13:03] <ray_> like that bing commercial
[13:03] <ray_> anyways I really really like google
[13:03] <ray_> I don't use Bing
[13:04] <ray_> Bing = Microsoft
[13:04] <ray_> Microsoft = scammers, lol
[13:04] <ray_> he he
[13:04] <JoeMaverickSett> http://duckduckgo.com/ ?
[13:04] <ray_> I will check it out
[13:06] <ray_> Part of the problem is I should be limiting what the search is so "free drum samples -loops -tracks" and so forth
[13:08] <JoeMaverickSett> ray_: how about http://soundcloud.com/ ?
[13:10] <ray_> Dang, at this point maybe I should just try to create my own roto tom drum samples. I have roto toms but the middle toms head broke apart from the hoop
[13:11] <ray_> it had drum tracks
[13:11] <ray_> I should try gluing the head back ti itself separate from the hoop of coarse
[13:12] <ray_> I have a garbage mic  though
[13:12] <ray_> computer mic
[13:17] <ray_> hmm, maybe I should shoot for rack tom samples
[13:20] <ray_> I was going to post this though I know you guys must know of it:
[13:20] <ray_> http://www.google.com/linux?hl=en&q=&btnG=Search
[13:23] <ray_> I found this:
[13:23] <ray_> http://www.dooleydrums.com/free_drum_samples.php
[13:23] <ray_> I am going to try it
[13:23] <ray_> nope, I can't no credit card
[13:24] <ray_> well I am going to just go, thank you guys for trying
[13:24] <ray_> bye
[13:24] <ray_> o/
[13:27] <ray_> http://www.findsounds.com/
[13:27] <ray_> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=993&bih=543&q=search+engines&btnG=Google+Search#sclient=psy&hl=en&biw=993&bih=543&q=free+audio+sample+search+engines&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.&fp=eda1291fdd569703
[13:28] <ray_> That's basically what I was looking for
[13:28] <ray_> bye
[13:50] <KinkyPinkie> Hey! I just chaged desktoptheme, and the minimize/maximize/close buttons on the windows now apear on the upper right hand side. is it any way I can hack the code to  move them back, but keep the rest of the theme?
[13:52] <ray_> I am not sure, I was looking for how to move them to the right:
[13:53] <ray_> https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/config-desktop/C/window-button-order.html
[13:53] <ray_> however, I like clearlooks so it didn't matter to me in the end but I understand
[13:54] <KinkyPinkie> thank you :)
[13:54] <ray_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1617977
[13:55] <ray_> no problem
[13:55] <KinkyPinkie> I heard that in future versions they are going to make app-panel in the top right corner, so I woulnt want to get used to having them there again :p
[13:55] <ray_> I want more features for themes
[13:56] <ray_> I want to change the purple to black
[13:56] <ray_> with white as the Ubuntu and the Ubuntu logo
[13:56] <KinkyPinkie> yea
[13:57] <ray_> or have the ability with ease to be able to change it to any color like blue or slightly darker blue or some color
[13:57] <KinkyPinkie> i got this theme today http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?action=content&content=87004 apart from messing up sytaxhilighting in eclipse i totally love it
[13:57] <ray_> gloss whould be a nice added feature for any color any kind of theme
[13:58] <ray_> With icon themes I just drag and drop them into themes under apprearance
[13:58] <KinkyPinkie> mm
[13:59] <ray_> I didn't know this but in order to get Emerald themes to work I had to have compiz fusion
[13:59] <ray_> just sharing some info
[14:00] <ray_> It makes installing icon themes a breeze, in fact I don't know how to install icon themes otherwise
[14:01] <KinkyPinkie> compizfuison looks a bit facier than what i managed to do with compizconfig (source google pictures) am I right?
[14:01] <ray_> what does facier mean?
[14:02] <KinkyPinkie> http://media.techeblog.com/images/ubuntulinux.jpg
[14:02] <KinkyPinkie> and round cube
[14:02] <ray_> I found compiz fusion to be too much of a resource hog so I stopped usingit
[14:02] <KinkyPinkie> i just managed to get mine to turn fullscreen
[14:02] <bioterror> horrible compiz cube
[14:03] <bioterror> I've never seen the benefit of that
[14:03] <bioterror> except it looks cool in the eyes of 14 year old kid
[14:03] <KinkyPinkie> haha true
[14:03] <bioterror> you spin it around two itmes and ditch it
[14:04] <KinkyPinkie> still I like to play around with everything I can possibly play with :p
[14:04] <ray_> Ya, I can control which workspace I am in without compiz
[14:04] <ray_> how
[14:04] <ray_> howeve
[14:04] <bioterror> I have better use for my graphics card ;)
[14:05] <ray_> I used compiz fusion to display a movie on my TV screen through an s-video cord and a video game on my monitor
[14:05] <KinkyPinkie> I dont atm :/
[14:05] <ray_> I agree bioterror
[14:05] <ray_> :)
[14:06] <ray_> I can get twin view without it and  don't need independent screens, and there are workspaces for that if needed anyway
[14:07] <ray_> Themes
[14:12] <ray_> I am looking for an icon theme like the brave blue theme for splash, this is a wallpaper which looks like it:
[14:12] <ray_> http://imagebin.org/141968
[14:14] <ray_> oops I meant GDM theme
[14:16] <ray_> I guess it's not on gnome look anymore
[14:16] <ray_> I still have a copy
[14:17] <ray_> bye
[14:17] <ray_> I need to chill
[14:18] <ray_> o/
[14:45] <jsk_> I have a problem with grub. it is loading a grub file I can not find any where
[14:47] <bioterror> what
[14:47] <jsk_> I have tried grubedit but that edits a grub file but when I reboot the system boot on to the grub I can not find
[14:48] <bioterror> I'm not following
[14:48] <jsk_> Sorry
[14:48] <jsk_> My problem is the grub loader
[14:49] <raju> have u failed on grub loading
[14:49] <raju> jsk_:
[14:50] <jsk_> No, the system boot from a grub file I can not find to edit
[14:50] <raju> are you doing it from root
[14:51] <jsk_> No. I can not get root privilege
[14:51] <raju> then you can't edit it
[14:52] <raju> u should be root ....
[14:52] <jsk_> I am using Grubedit
[14:53] <jsk_> Grugedit finds a grub file and edits it but it is not the grub file the system is using
[14:53] <raju> jsk_: http://grumpymole.blogspot.com/2007/05/ubuntu-how-to-edit-grub-boot-parameters.html
[14:54] <jsk_> Thanks I will give it a try now
[14:58] <szczur> menu.lst is no longer in use since ubuntu 9.10 . The correct path will be /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[14:58] <jsk_> so I need to edit grub.cfg ?
[14:59] <raju> szczur:  but we need to be root
[14:59] <raju> jsk_: Yes
[14:59] <szczur> yes, he needs to be root
[14:59] <jsk_> can I use gksudo
[15:00] <raju> szczur:  but he have not root privis
[15:00] <szczur> sudo gedit /boot/grub/grub.cfg should give him one
[15:00] <raju> no root privil's
[15:01] <jsk_> I will try now and come back to you.
[15:01] <raju> jsk_: u should be root
[15:01] <szczur> you can become root with sudo su
[15:01] <szczur> then he can edit anything
[15:03] <bioterror> szczur, I would suggest just sudo
[15:03] <raju> szczur:
[15:03] <raju> - jsk_, 20:21 -
[15:03] <raju> No. I can not get root privilege
[15:03] <bioterror> !sudo | jsk_
[15:03] <ubot2> jsk_: sudo is a command to run command-line programs with superuser privileges ("root") (also see !cli). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information. For graphical applications see !gksu (GNOME, Xfce), or !kdesudo (KDE). If you're unable to execute commands with sudo see: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/fixsudo
[15:05] <jsk_> I have looked at Grub.cfg and it said do not edit this file?
[15:06] <bioterror> unless you know what you're editing
[15:06] <bioterror> can you tell us what you're trying to do
[15:06] <raju> jsk_:  its for security
[15:07] <raju> jsk_:  what you wanna fo ?
[15:07] <bioterror> grub is something not to mess with, becouse then you come where complaining you cant access your ubuntu :D
[15:08] <jsk_> My motherboard packed up so I am using an old one and when I boot it up I could not get anything
[15:09] <raju> is it a good one jsk_
[15:09] <jsk_> I have ubuntu 9 and 10 = windows xp and 2 HD
[15:09] <raju> good
[15:10] <jsk_> I can get to 1 HD and no windows and my wife OU work in on windows
[15:11] <jsk_> OU = Open University
[15:11] <bioterror> are you trying to say that you want to boot to windows?
[15:12] <jsk_> yes
[15:12] <bioterror> sudo apt-get install os-prober
[15:12] <bioterror> sudo os-prober
[15:12] <bioterror> sudo grub-update
[15:12] <bioterror> sudo reboot
[15:12] <jsk_> I see
[15:13] <jsk_> I will be back. thank you all
[15:23] <jsk_> I tried the os-prober and I get E: Invalid operation
[15:26] <jsk_> could I change the grub.cfg for a copy a file I know I has the right list
[15:27] <bioterror> yes
[15:27] <jsk_> OK.
[15:28] <jsk_> I have nothing more to lose.
[15:29] <bioterror> make copy of your current grub.cfg
[15:30] <jsk_> is this chat line open for what some might call really stupid questions
[15:30] <jsk_> I have 2 copys
[15:34] <jsk_> I have to keep going back to windows because I can not get some apps to work or they load and I can not find them
[15:38] <jsk_> I have a Velleman K8055 USB interface board. I down loaded the files and installed it but can not find where.
[15:38] <johnny77> jsk_: What apps are you having trouble with?
[15:39] <jsk_> johnny77_ the main one is the K8055 board
[15:40] <johnny77> jsk_: I'm not familiar with that applcation. What does it do?
[15:42] <jsk_> johnny77_ it is an experiment board for connecting the computer to the out side world
[15:43] <jsk_> I am using it for a MIDI controller
[15:44] <jsk_> If I could controll it with Gambas as I do with Visual Studio on windows that would make my world complete.
[15:46] <johnny77> jsk_: I'm not sure what you've tried and honestly, I'me not sure how much I can help you. I did find this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1660136
[15:48] <jsk_> I did not see that one. thanks
[15:49] <johnny77> jsk_: How bout this one? http://gambaslinux.eg2.fr/articles.php?lng=en&pg=289
[15:50] <jsk_> johnny77_That looks good too. I will go and try changing the grub.cfg file and get my wife up for work.
[15:51] <jsk_> Chat to you all later. thanks once again
[15:51] <johnny77> jsk_: I'm sorry that I can't help you more... just out of my area of knowledge. But hang around there are a lot of smart people here. maybe try again later.
[15:51] <jsk_> johnny77_ OK
[16:49] <Shoryu> Trying to find out how to use bootpd without making it a DHCP server. Its screwing with the DHCP server already on our network... help please? Any way to separate DHCP and BOOTP?
[16:57] <bioterror> Shoryu, good question
[16:59] <Shoryu> yeah it would be convenient to not have to go and start bootp on the server whenever i need to setup a machine
[16:59] <Shoryu> bioterror:
[17:00] <bioterror> my pfSense supports configuration to point PXE to another machine
[17:00] <bioterror> hmm
[17:04] <Shoryu> i'm back
[17:04] <Shoryu> i didn't miss a response did I ?
[17:05] <bioterror> http://www.linuxgurru.com/2010/11/how-to-boot-system-from-network/ maybe I'll try that tonight
[17:05] <bioterror> as I have pfSense at my home
[17:08] <Shoryu> ah thanks
[17:40] <kristian-aalborg> hi all
[17:40] <kristian-aalborg> is it possible to download a kernel somewhere that supports apm? I'm not too good at building them
[18:00] <bfvtech> how to get mouse to left click
[20:22] <johnny77> I'm having trouble with flash plugin and chromium. chromium is crasshing in a bus error.
[20:23] <ddecator> i'm not sure how to help with chromium. isn't flash built-in now?
[20:25] <bioterror> in chrome yes
[20:25] <bioterror> not in chromium
[20:25] <ddecator> ah
[20:25] <ddecator> well either way, i'm not sure how to work with chromium
[20:27] <johnny77> bioterror: which browser you use, if you don't mind me asking.
[20:27] <bioterror> chromium
[20:29] <johnny77> bioterror: I'm thinking that you where telling me the tracking stuff added to chrome.
[20:37] <bioterror> what
[20:39] <dArKd3ViL_> difference between fix released and fix committed?
[22:18] <yax51> hello, does anyone know anything about nvclock?
[22:49] <yax51> I am trying to install nvclock, and when I go through the installation process it says that it needs xext
[22:50] <yax51> so I go to synaptic and search for xext and it finds x11proto-xext-dev so I installed that
[22:51] <yax51> but when I go back to the installation it still says that xext is missing
[22:51] <yax51> am I missing a step here somewhere to install xext?
[22:53] <johnny77> yax51: how are you installing nvclock?
[22:54] <yax51> johnny77: according to the install doc, running autogen.sh, then configure
[22:56] <johnny77> yax51: I just tried to install nvclock and it installed with no problem and not requiring anything else. What install doc are you refering to?
[22:56] <yax51> but when I get to the configure portion its checking for xext and I get the error message "xext required for nvcontrol support"
[22:57] <yax51> install
[22:57] <yax51> the basic installation directions
[22:58] <yax51> would you be able to walk me through what you did? maybe I am doing something wrong
[22:59] <johnny77> I'm not sure where you are getting the install directions. But I just typed in the terminal sudo apt-get install nvclock
[23:01] <johnny77> yax51: does this help any? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=175436
[23:04] <johnny77> yax51: I would try to download it with the command I gave you, then configure as it says in the link.
[23:05] <davidl_> quick question for anyone out there...  I want to add an interface to /etc/network/interfaces (in this case eth1).  I want it to operate in promiscuous mode w/no IP address.  trying to figure out what the iface cmd is...
[23:05] <yax51> ok thanks!
[23:06] <johnny77> yax51: let me know if that works.
[23:06] <yax51> nope
[23:07] <yax51> which version are you running? maybe the newest one doesn't like me?
[23:08] <johnny77> I'm not running nvclock. I just was trying to recreate the error you were getting by trying to install.
[23:08] <johnny77> yax51: where did you get your install instructions?
[23:09] <yax51> from the nvclock0.8b4 package
[23:09] <yax51> make
[23:10] <davidl_> think I may have figured it out...  http://goo.gl/on4H4  does this look right?
[23:12] <yax51> http://paste.ubuntu.com/578081/
[23:12] <johnny77> yax51: I noticed there was a IRC channel #nvclock Maybe they can help you better over there.
[23:12] <yax51> oooh thanks!!
[23:13] <johnny77> yax51: sorry I couldn't help you more.
[23:22] <yax51> its ok, thanks!!
[23:23] <yax51> apparently my card isn't supported my nvclock
[23:37] <johnny77> yax51: sorry, man.
[23:58] <Reaper50435> I need help I have done something that has make my wallpaper not show up at all


[07:49] <user|34> How can I create a bootable usb stick?
[11:02] <mparillo> I dd the ISO.
[11:04] <sheytan_> Hi! What do i need to get finger print to work? I have installed fprint lib and pam, can scan my finger but it does not unlock the screen
[11:04] <sheytan_> Special for you Maik ;)
[11:04] <sheytan_> Since this is a support channel i can ask the same thing how many times i want
[11:22] <user|52> Can i ask this?
[11:22] <user|52> ls
[11:23] <user|52> the kubuntu feature tour is not found
[11:23] <user|52> plz help me
[11:51] <fusionfuture[m]> user|52: do you mean an application?
[11:52] <Maik> sheytan_: don't start trolling
[11:52] <Maik> fusionfuture[m]: no the website
[11:52] <Maik> it shows a 404
[13:36] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
 Hi, I have an issue with the Kubuntu 21.10 not being able to boot to live cd desktop. It will fail with: "Failed to start Ubuntu live CD installer". If I switch to other tty and type "startx", only then it will start. Same thing is happening on multiple computers with various HW, so it seems like it must be a quite common issue. But I cannot google much about it. Is there some known solution on this? Thanks. (re @IrcsomeBot: <user|52> plz help
[15:00] <mxxto> Hey, does anybody know if there are plans to packages kalendar for Kubuntu 22.04? I think it would be a shame if it was missing since it's a really great addition to the KDE application suite IMO
[15:07] <BluesKaj> mxxto, testing 22,04 here, but unfortunately kalendar is no longer available... have no idea why :/
[15:22] <RikMills> BluesKaj: kalendar is not in jammy
[15:23] <RikMills> or debian
[15:24] <RikMills> I did try some test builds, but it is not really sure it will deb supported by KDE for an LTS release
[15:25] <RikMills> *be supported
[15:32] <BluesKaj> RikMills, thanks
[15:34] <BluesKaj> RikMills, I'm disappointed to hear about mozilla teaming up with meta, so I'm looking for a hew browser ... any suggestions?
[15:35] <BluesKaj> err *new
[16:17] <mxxto> RikMills in what way would KDE need to support it? I was asking in the kalendar matrix and they said it's up to the packagers and they can't do much. I assume someone would need to package it for debian?
[16:23] <mxxto> BluesKaj: Why would you want to look for a new browser? They are cooporating on some advertisement API, but this will not impact firefox in any negative way.
[19:10] <user|89> how to upgrade kubuntu
[22:39] <DaneGeld> Hi.  Can anyone help me to figure out how to configure my displays please?  I am using a VGA monitor to extend my workspace, but on startup, the config of both that and my main laptop display are messed up.  The configuration doesn't seem to be being retained upon shutdown.
[22:40] <DaneGeld> The two displays are: laptop inbuilt (1360x768) and an HP Compaq LA1951g (1280x1024)
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