[00:00] <gmazk_> kitche: is there a IRC channel where I can report this failure?
[00:00] <dvoid_> whats is the equivalent to inittab in ubuntu?
[00:00] <hischild> yowshi, .... you have to use chown the sudo binary as root:root in rescue mode ...
[00:00] <yowshi> ok
[00:00] <yowshi> wil;l do unop__ sorry for delay was writing all that down
[00:00] <hischild> unop__, the sudo binary is no longer owned by root ... he has to reown it (ls WILL say it's owned by root)
[00:00] <wantE17style> is there a way to make a source who is sending a ping of death wait 24 hours??//?????????????????/
[00:00] <genii> exegesis: That's not an Ubuntu question, perhaps ask in ##windows for vista-relaed issues
[00:00] <wantE17style> my router doesn't seem to offer a timeout.........
[00:01] <yowshi> unop_ does this require a full reboot or will a change session into failsalfe terminal work?
[00:01] <hischild> wantE17style, you can drop the packages
[00:01] <exegesis> genii it has to be an Ubuntu question because I had no problems booting into Vista before, and if it's a Windows issue I might as well forget it since their help sucks
[00:01] <hischild> yowshi, you have to be root ... thus a reboot into rescue is needed
[00:01] <unop_> yowshi, you could drop down into runlevel 1 if thats what you mean
[00:01] <kitche> gmazk_: I wonder if it's a heat issue
[00:01] <unop_> hischild, the problem is that $(which sudo) is no longer setuid root - thats what we're trying to fix
[00:01] <yowshi> yeah at the login screen it allows me to change session into terminal and login as root
[00:01] <hansderagon> Greetings.  Is there an equivalent of consolehelper for Ubuntu?  I have a script that needs to become root after asking for the password to the user.
[00:01] <kitche> gmazk_: or it's draining the battery so fast that your laptop will shutdown
[00:01] <shiv> Are you pretty safe with Ubuntu for security, in terms of firewall? Or should I install Fwbuilder?
[00:02] <unop_> yowshi, that should work
[00:02] <wantE17style> how do I write the IPTABLE rules to drop packages? I think it is dropping ICMP pings already............I set that rule with firestarter
[00:02] <yowshi> cool bbs
[00:02] <dai1313> belkinhelp, acctually im pretty useless too, ask someone else
[00:02] <slide> How can I restore an old servers mysql installation? I have the entire old ubuntu filesystem and a fresh install and need to migrate the mysql server over. Any guide or anything?
[00:02] <Jack_Sparrow> shiv, You dont need to add one
[00:02] <portamenteff> shv: i've had good luck with the native firewall in Ubuntu and other *nixes
[00:02] <hischild> unop_, i know, the problem in it, is that the sudo binary is no longer owned by root ... if he reboots into rescue mode he's auto set as root ... if he then chown's the sudo binary as root:root and does your chmod thing, he will have sudo access again
[00:02] <unop_> racemap,  --  date -s "$(cat date_file | tr -d '\n')"
[00:02] <shiv> Jack_Sparrow: K
[00:03] <wantE17style> what is fwbuilder??????????
[00:03] <racemap> unop_:thanx so much
[00:03] <gmazk_> kitche: it may be. But different users of different notebook manufacturers are reporting the same issue since last week. So I'm suspecting about some update problem or something.
[00:04] <unop_> hischild, hmm, i dunno if i paid attention to his sudo's ownership -- let's see when he gets back
[00:04] <genii> exegesis: Any idea of what the last thing was that happened that might be relevent? updates,downloads,cold reboots, etc?
[00:04] <MUS4SHIII> Can anyone help me with mythtvfs in the fstab?
[00:05] <gmazk_> kitche: maybe some wrong ACPI table.
[00:05] <wantE17style> :( no knows how to help me? :'(
[00:05] <ConstyXIV> anyone have a link to the hardyheron background by chance?
[00:05] <yowshi> the ls -l $(which sudo) hasnt changed
[00:05] <hischild> unop_, if you ls -al the file it'll say it's owned by root ... yet chowning the file root:root actually fixes it (i've experienced it myself by a "slight" mistake)
[00:05] <exegesis> genii no because I don't usually boot into Vista, and I tried a couple months ago and that's when it happend
[00:05] <yowshi> i wonder incidentally if this has something to do with my home folder privs and my .d,rc file
[00:05] <unop_> yowshi, ok, let's see the output of that ls command anyway
[00:05] <Jack_Sparrow> !helpme | wantE17style
[00:05] <ubotu> wantE17style: Avoid your questions being followed by a trail of "Please, help me", "Can nobody help me?", "I really need this!", and so on. This just contributes to making the channel unreadable. If you are not answered, ask again later; but see also !repeat and !patience
[00:06] <yowshi> yoshi@ubuntu:~$ ls -l $(which sudo)
[00:06] <yowshi> -rwsr-xr-x 2 proxy root<PHONE_NUMBER>-06-15 08:54 /usr/bin/sudo
[00:06] <unop_> yowshi, ahh, seems hischild was right after all --    run this command (as root) -- chown root:root $(which sudo)
[00:06] <exegesis> j
[00:06] <hischild> unop_, somewhere it has a thread on the forums about it that helped me out on it
[00:07] <yowshi> ok bbs
[00:07] <unop_> hischild, thats strange, why did they change ownership of sudo like that -- pretty stupid imo
[00:07] <wantE17style> well, how about someone explaining if I need this 'fwbuilder'?????
[00:07] <hischild> unop_, they didn't ... he probably did a chown on the /usr/bin folder which contains the sudo binary
[00:08] <hischild> wantE17style, perhaps a little attitude change would help
[00:08] <genii> exegesis: I'm not sure if Windows still has the boot menu you can access by F8 key and select Safe Mode or so on, but perhaps worth trying before using some recovery strategy off the bootable cd like fixmbr or so on
[00:08] <jester7> anybody here have a dell inspiron 1525?
[00:08] <unop_> hischild, thats likely
[00:09] <hischild> unop_, made that mistake once myself
[00:09] <wantE17style> I'm not patient anymore - this vaunted linux is supposed to be able to withstand web attacks
[00:09] <exegesis> This is gonna sound dumb but I'm using XChat IRC and just deleted the Menu toolbar from appearing; how to I get it back?
[00:09] <Jack_Sparrow> wantE17style, if you understand firewall/iptables.. you know that you dont
[00:09] <yowshi> that di8dnt fix it
[00:09] <exegesis> genii I'll try that
[00:09] <yowshi> though now it says root root
[00:09] <wantE17style> I want to know why this flaw is crashing my server........
[00:09] <wantE17style> of course, I don't
[00:09] <hischild> wantE17style, take a look at a good look at iptables and look for a manpage.
[00:09] <wantE17style> if I did, then I could solve this problem
[00:09] <unop_> yowshi, what happens when you try and sudo now?
[00:09] <ConstyXIV> are there any gnome-based irc clients besides xchat and pidgin?
[00:09] <yowshi> oshi@ubuntu:~$ sudo pcmanfm
[00:09] <yowshi> sudo: must be setuid root
[00:10] <unop_> yowshi, damn -- output ls -l
[00:10] <hischild> unop_, .... let me check for that site again
[00:10] <Jack_Sparrow> ConstyXIV, Konversation, kvirc etc
[00:10] <wantE17style> manpages are too arcane......
[00:10] <unop_> yowshi, what does ls -l output now?
[00:10] <yowshi> yoshi@ubuntu:~$ ls -l $(which sudo)
[00:10] <yowshi> -rwxr-xr-x 2 root root<PHONE_NUMBER>-06-15 08:54 /usr/bin/sudo
[00:10] <ConstyXIV> Jack_Sparrow: i said GNOME-based
[00:10] <yowshi> i am thinking i should unedit the sudoers file as well
[00:11] <yowshi> sinc ei did try and edit that ealier and never removed what i added
[00:11] <hischild> chmod 4755 /usr/bin/sudo and chwon root:root /usr/bin/sudo .... unop_ and yowshi  ... do those 2 commands and you'll be good
[00:11] <hischild> make that chown and not chwon
[00:11] <unop_> yowshi, hmm, setuid seems to reset -- let's give this one more try --  run this command (as root) -- chown root:root $(which sudo)l chmod 4755 $(which sudo)
[00:11] <wantE17style> I notice that near the time my router is forced to reset is when my server crashes
[00:11] <yowshi> l?
[00:12] <unop_> yowshi, no l :p
[00:12] <yowshi> just checking
[00:12] <unop_> yowshi, that should be a ;
[00:12] <yowshi> ah ok
[00:12] <yowshi> i see two command one line thing
[00:12] <hischild> unop_, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=219767
[00:12] <yowshi> isnt the command seperater a : not an ;?
[00:12] <hischild> yowshi, no, it's a ;
[00:12] <yowshi> ok bbs
[00:13] <gigi> hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
[00:13] <Jack_Sparrow> gigi, Hello, welcome to ubuntu
[00:13] <minimec> ConstyXIV: There is a special xchat-gnome version with a different layout. But ... irssi beats them all...
[00:14] <wantE17style> is it possible to deactivate ping for tcp/udp for linux?
[00:14] <unop_> Wanderer, ping uses icmp not tcp/udp
[00:15] <unop_> wantE17style, ^^^
[00:15] <wantE17style> ok, thanks
[00:15] <shawnharn> tritium?
[00:15] <wantE17style> I"m simply mystified why ubuntu is freezing :/
[00:15] <shawnharn> is tritium herte?
[00:16] <unop_> shawnharn, seems to be -- could be afk
[00:16] <yowshi> ok that didnt work and removing the entry i put in sudoers for my user has gotten me back to permission denied
[00:16] <hischild> unop_, you seen the link?
[00:17] <unop_> hischild, aye, pretty much what we recommended
[00:17] <shawnharn> hmm
[00:17] <shawnharn> okay
[00:17] <yowshi> wish i could just login here as root and run the commands as you guys give them to me
[00:17] <hischild> unop_, indeed
[00:17] <yowshi> without all this logging out crap
[00:17] <shawnharn> he was going to helo me today
[00:17] <unop_> yowshi, what error did you get prior to removing the sudoer entry?
[00:17] <shawnharn> help
[00:17] <MUS4SHIII> can anyone help me with mythtvfs fstab config?
[00:17] <hischild> yowshi, you can use irssi in the recovery mode and then do it :-)
[00:17] <yowshi> irssi?
[00:18] <Bob_Dole> Command line IRC client
[00:18] <unop_> yowshi, what does ls -l $(which sudo) read now?
[00:18] <Bob_Dole> I've not used it, because I'm one of those n00bs who prefers to not venture out of the GUI very often
[00:18] <yowshi> unop_ i didnt try i figured i would remove my editing first and then run the commands
[00:18] <yowshi> yoshi@ubuntu:~$ ls -l $(which sudo)
[00:18] <yowshi> -rwsr-xr-x 2 root root<PHONE_NUMBER>-06-15 08:54 /usr/bin/sudo
[00:18] <yowshi> with the usr/bin/sudo bit in red
[00:19] <unop_> yowshi, ok, thats good -- now you need your group/user in sudoer to be able to sudo
[00:19] <unop_> sudoers*
[00:19] <hischild> unop_, you made him create a new group? or he still has his old details?
[00:19] <yowshi> but it was already in there a yoshi ALL=(ALL) ALL entry
[00:19] <unop_> yowshi, is it in now tho?
[00:19] <erle-> swapon: /dev/sda1: Invalid argument
[00:19] <erle-> what the fuck?
[00:19] <unop_> yowshi, it has to be in now
[00:19] <yowshi> no thats what i added
[00:20] <yowshi> and then just commented out
[00:20] <Jack_Sparrow> erle-, Watch the language please
[00:20]  * Pelo needs a new hobby
[00:20] <erle-> Jack_Sparrow, sorry
[00:20] <yowshi> ok bbs
[00:20] <unop_> yowshi, uncomment it
[00:20] <crossm0ve> I am trying to install 'dchroot' I get the error E: Couldn't find package dchroot
[00:20] <unop_> hischild, using his existing group membership
[00:21] <Pelo> crossm0ve, do it through synaptic, dchroot might not be the exact name of the package
[00:21] <minimec> Bob_Dole: irrsi is a monster (in good/bad terms). irrsi can do evrything and drive you mad at the same time. I   guess it's like being married ;)
[00:21] <crossm0ve> Pelo: How do I do it through synaptic?
[00:21] <Pelo> crossm0ve, you have a gui right ? gnome ?
[00:21] <hischild> unop_, then he should be able to sudo now
[00:21] <crossm0ve> Pelo: Yes
[00:21] <Pelo> crossm0ve, menu > systm> admin > synaptic package manager,  use the search feature
[00:22] <crossm0ve> Pelo: Thank iyou
[00:22] <crossm0ve> 8you
[00:22] <crossm0ve> *you
[00:22] <unop_> crossm0ve, sure you didnt make changes to /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[00:22]  * Pelo thinks the quality of gratitude is dropping in this channel
[00:22] <xjkx> i installed ubuntu on usb flashdriver. i created only one partition with 2gb. its not even close to that, but somehow it seems to have mounted it all separately, its saying /usr is full, what should i do ? I am using the persistent thing
[00:22] <shiv> Pelo: why
[00:23] <yowshi> that didnt work
[00:23] <yowshi> there is also this wierd little %admion entry in there that i commented out
[00:23] <unop_> yowshi, error message?
[00:23] <yowshi> permission denied
[00:23] <yowshi> %admin
[00:23] <yowshi> yoshi@ubuntu:~$ sudo pcmanfm
[00:23] <yowshi> sudo: can't open /etc/sudoers: Permission denied
[00:24] <shiv> Pelo: ah, lol. cause I appreciate all the help :P
[00:24] <Pelo> xjkx, 2 gig isn'T much to run ubuntu ,  you might want to consider puppy linux for a flash drive
[00:24] <unop_> yowshi, uncomment admin -- it's needed :)
[00:24] <Jack_Sparrow> Pelo, it should be plenty for persistent
[00:24] <demonspork> whenever I try to set my time in the menu, it changes, but after every reboot it changes to one hour ahead. I have the correct time zone selected and other OSs detect the hour correctly
[00:24] <yowshi> well the admin line wasnt in the how to you linked me to
[00:25] <Pelo> demonspork,  daylight savings time in your area ?
[00:25] <Anderson> My external hdd is mounting as RO how do I make it RW?
[00:25] <crossm0ve> unop_: I just booted the CD... so I don't think so
[00:25] <Jack_Sparrow> Pelo, I have a couple of 256meg I use for persistent.  the persistent image on them is only 45 megs when fresh
[00:25] <unop_> yowshi, the howto was just to demonstrate how to add stuff to the sudoers file -- but you have ruled yourself out of being able to sudo by commenting out the admin group
[00:26] <ma5t3rw1tt> I have a question. In Windows, I am able to share my wireless internet connection through my ethernet . Are you able to share your internet connection here on Ubuntu?
[00:26] <Pelo> Jack_Sparrow,  i'll beleive you , I know little about it
[00:26] <crossm0ve> I
[00:26] <Jack_Sparrow> np
[00:26] <captmorgan> hello, I have some questions regarding putting /home on a new HDD I just got
[00:26] <Pelo> ma5t3rw1tt, yes,   I think you do it using firestarter or someting , check sharing internet in the forum
[00:26] <Jack_Sparrow> Pelo, you may have been thinking iso2usb, and 2 gigs is not really enough for that
[00:26] <yowshi> yoshi@ubuntu:~$ sudo pcmanfm
[00:26] <yowshi> sudo: can't open /etc/sudoers: Permission denied
[00:26] <yowshi> same problem
[00:26] <unop_> crossm0ve, ahh, you trying to install dchroot in a live CD session?
[00:27] <crossm0ve> unop_: Yes
[00:27] <ma5t3rw1tt> Pelo: Will do, thanks
[00:27] <unop_> yowshi, pastebin the contents of /etc/sudoers
[00:27] <Anderson> My external hdd is mounting as RO how do I make it RW?
[00:27] <crossm0ve> unop_: dchroot and debootstrap
[00:27] <PaulOgle591> I have a question about wubi
[00:27] <unop_> crossm0ve, you'll need to enable the universe repository
[00:27] <Pelo> captmorgan, just make a partition on that hdd,  , copy your current /home to it , edit fstab to reflect that your new hdd shold be mounted to /home and reboot
[00:27] <unop_> !universe
[00:27] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories
[00:27] <Jack_Sparrow> Anderson, let people know what type of partitions are on that external
[00:27] <yowshi> i cant view the file
[00:27] <Pelo> captmorgan,  you might want to use the live cd to delete the content of your old /home folder
[00:27] <Anderson> Jack_Sparrow, how do I find that?
[00:28] <Anderson> Jack_Sparrow,  mount?
[00:28] <fevel> hey
[00:28] <unop_> yowshi, errm, sorry -- make a copy of it (as root)
[00:28] <yowshi> alright
[00:28] <ido-> how can i resize my partition without reformatting ?
[00:28] <Jack_Sparrow> captmorgan, you want sep partition for home right?
[00:28] <PaulOgle591> I have wubi installed and as I get in to kubuntu, after it gets past the kubuntu splash screen i am left with a blank screen
[00:28] <Anderson> /dev/sda1 on /media/usbdisk type ntfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=077,iocharset=utf8)
[00:28] <Jack_Sparrow> Anderson, sudo fdisk -l
[00:28] <Itaku> whats the command to go to a mounted filesystem off of live cd to use like passwd and that
[00:28] <Pelo> ido-, just use the live cd and use the gnome partiton editor in the admin menu
[00:28] <ogra> Pzu
[00:28] <Pelo> ido-, backup first
[00:28] <unop_> Itaku, chroot ?
[00:29] <dep> Itaku: chroot
[00:29] <Anderson> Jack_Sparrow, HPFS/NTFS
[00:29] <ido-> and if i done have a livecd handy ?
[00:29] <Itaku> yeah
[00:29] <Itaku> thanks
[00:29] <Jack_Sparrow> captmorgan, Here is a link with the basics  http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/separatehome
[00:29] <amenado> Itaku-> have you mounted the FS yourself ?
[00:29] <fevel> im looking for a good torrent aplication for ubuntu, i need one that has good criptography, works with upnp and alternates ports whenever it starts, can anyone indicate me a good program?
[00:29] <Pelo> ido-,  you cannot rezise a working partiton, if the partiton is not the one you are working on it won'T be a problem
[00:29] <Itaku> yes
[00:29] <PaulOgle591> you wouldn't need crpytography for legit downloads ;)
[00:29] <Pelo> ido-,  you might also consider getting the gparted live cd
[00:29] <Itaku> and whats the apt-get package for like the core utiluties?
[00:29] <Cahone> I really like the idea of Linux but it is exhausting to say the least
[00:29] <amenado> !who | Itaku
[00:29] <ubotu> Itaku: As you can see, this is a large channel. If you're speaking to someone in particular, please put their nickname in what you say (use !tab), or else messages get lost and it becomes confusing :)
[00:29] <Fryguy--> fevel: dunno about upnp, but deluge will probably work, and of course azureus is available (I personally recommend rtorrent, but I think you might be looking for a gui)
[00:30] <Jack_Sparrow> Anderson, I am preoccupied, I was only trying to help you form a better question so you would get the right answers..  look into ntfs-3g
[00:30]  * Pelo is getting too good at this, it's scary
[00:30] <chris062689> I love Ubuntu :)
[00:30] <Anderson> Jack_Sparrow, gotcha, thanks
[00:30] <MUS4SHIII> what is the best widget system out there? I want to pin certain things to the desktop so that I can hotkey to the desktop and see my widgets on my third monitor.
[00:30] <Itaku> whats the apt-get package for like the core utiluties?
[00:30] <ido-> Pelo: can i duplicate a working partition to a larger drive ?
[00:30] <Itaku> like rm
[00:30] <Pelo> chris062689, so do we all
[00:30] <fevel> Fryguy--,  yes ill like one that runs on a gui soh I dont need to keep a terminal open
[00:30] <Anderson> My external hdd is mounting as RO how do I make it RW? It is type HPFS/NTFS.
[00:30] <ido-> via dd or something ?
[00:30] <Jack_Sparrow> Anderson, Windows may have also locked it in which case you would be looking at ntfsfix
[00:30] <fevel> Fryguy--, thanks for the tips
[00:30] <Anderson> Jack_Sparrow, k
[00:30] <captmorgan> Pelo  & Jack_Sparrow - I am going with  fresh install of 7.10 and I currently have one 120gb (orig drive w/ ubuntu on it) and I just got a 500gb drive. I am wanting to move all my music and videos to the new HDD and do a fresh install of Ubuntu of the 120gb drive
[00:30] <Pelo> ido-,  you can always copy it , but you won'T be able to swtith to it "hot" I guess
[00:30] <unop_> Itaku, coreutils ?
[00:30] <Itaku> yeah...
[00:31] <Jack_Sparrow> captmorgan, so far so good
[00:31] <Cahone> I guess i have to buy practically a whole new system to get everything to work properly...or so it seems
[00:31] <lordleemo> fevel: ktorrent   azureus
[00:31] <Itaku> meh i got to reinstall
[00:31] <amenado> Anderson-> you did man mount? the man pages will give you some idea of how to do it right
[00:31] <Fryguy--> captmorgan: why do you need to reinstall?
[00:31] <Itaku> now i got my security breeched
[00:31] <Itaku> not an exploit
[00:31] <ido-> no need to switch hot, i can reboot for that, i just want to replace my drive with a larger one
[00:31] <ido-> how do i do that ?
[00:31] <demonspork> Pelo, it adjusted the error to daylight savings time when it happened
[00:31] <Cahone> What are the best components that work with Linux
[00:31] <Fryguy--> Cahone: way too vague a question
[00:31] <captmorgan> Jack_Sparrow so can I just copy my stuff to the 500 gb drive and install to the 120 drive?
[00:31] <fevel> lordleemo,  transmission doesnt alternate ports right?
[00:32] <unop_> Cahone, everything and nothing all at the same time . :)
[00:32] <yowshi> it's no good
[00:32] <lordleemo> fevel: never used it sorry
[00:32] <Jack_Sparrow> captmorgan, yep. you may need to give yourself permissions later, but that wont be a big deal
[00:32] <Pelo> captmorgan, I have two 80 gig drives as follows,  hdd1   10 gig / , 2 gig swap , 68 gig /home, hdd2   9 gig windows,  1 gig vfat , 60 gig download
[00:32] <yowshi> i have tried the cp command twice and the copied just wind up as protected as the original
[00:32] <PaulOgle591> i find that my nvidia card has pixel diahrea with liunx video drivers
[00:32] <Cahone> Fryguy--, well i got an MSI video card and AOE Flat screen and KDS CRT and it is a mess
[00:32] <bastid_raZor> fevel; it doesn't automatically switch ports but it can be done in a quick three clicks of the mouse
[00:32] <captmorgan> Fryguy-- I was messing with a customization of adding the File Menu View Tools bar to the bar on top and it got totally screwed up so I am just going to re-install\
[00:32] <PaulOgle591> thats the only component along with hd audio that has problems
[00:32]  * nikrud has never heard of a download file system
[00:32] <PaulOgle591> will they fix HD audio drivers?
[00:33] <Jack_Sparrow> captmorgan, no need for that...
[00:33] <_polto_> hi all
[00:33] <Fryguy--> ChaosMachine: shouldn't be
[00:33] <Fryguy--> err
[00:33] <Fryguy--> Cahone:
[00:33] <yowshi> i could login to gdm as root
[00:33] <zocky_> hi
[00:33] <Jack_Sparrow> captmorgan, we can fix it with one line
[00:33] <unop_> yowshi, ouch, cp would copy permissions too -- copy using cat --  cat /etc/sudoers >> /tmp/sudoers
[00:33] <Cahone> Fryguy--, yes?
[00:33] <Pelo> demonspork,  this is a fresh install ? do the upgrade there was a bug fix for the daylight thing, it might fix it
[00:33] <yowshi> ok
[00:33] <Fryguy--> captmorgan: there are very rare circumstances to reinstall an operating system, screwing with menus shouldn't be one of them :/
[00:33] <fevel> what do you guys have to say about deluge? has anybody used it?
[00:33] <zocky_> how do I make compiz start automatically without using system->preferences->appearance, since that doesn't seem to work with my driver setup?
[00:33] <Fryguy--> Cahone: sorry I mistyped.  your equipment is fine, linux is going to work with any monitor, and pretty much any video card
[00:33] <yowshi> bbs
[00:34] <nikrud> !resetpanels | captmorgan
[00:34] <Pelo> nikrud, not a download file system, more an explanation of the use of the partitons
[00:34] <ubotu> captmorgan: To reset the panel to defaults, type this in a !terminal: « gconftool --recursive-unset /apps/panel && killall gnome-panel »
[00:34] <bastid_raZor> fevel; deluge is similiar to transmission
[00:34] <ChaosMachine> Fryguy--, :)
[00:34] <Fryguy--> fevel: i've used it, it's fine.  I prefer rtorrent
[00:34] <captmorgan> Fryguy-- I have been without desktop effects for over 6 weeks after that
[00:34] <ido-> Pelo:  ?
[00:34] <orbisvicis> fevel, deluge nice, but not on windows ; (
[00:34] <Jack_Sparrow> captmorgan, ctrl-alt F2     then    rm -rf .gnome .gnome2 .gconf .gconfd .metacity
[00:34] <nikrud> Pelo: I know, just all the others were file systems. Was funny ;)
[00:34] <orbisvicis> depends what you are looking for
[00:34] <Fryguy--> captmorgan: so? fix it.  (desktop effects are a waste of cpu cycles btw)
[00:34] <TheMuso> PaulOgle591: You were wanting to ask about wubi?
[00:34] <Pelo> ido-, ???6
[00:34] <TheMuso> PaulOgle591: Have you received an anwer yet?
[00:34] <Jack_Sparrow> ctrl-alt F7 to come back
[00:34] <MUS4SHIII> anyone know how to pin desklets to the desktop so they don't go away when I hotkey show desktop.
[00:35] <Jack_Sparrow> captmorgan,   http://linuxfud.wordpress.com/2007/02/14/how-to-reset-ubuntugnome-settings-to-defaults-without-re-installing/
[00:35] <lordleemo> fevel: i just had a look at the sight looks like a good client maybe ill try it
[00:35] <fevel> orbisvicis, what do you mean windows? im looking for getting around those damn isp restrictions, they denie it
[00:35] <Cahone> Fryguy--, well I cant get the resolutions i want and cant use dual monitors and I cant use enhanced video modes that Ubuntu says it offers
[00:35] <Pelo> ido-, you would do better to clean installn an dthen copy the content of your /home to the new hdd
[00:36] <Fryguy--> Cahone: so configure your system correctly so that you can.  The problem isn't your hardware
[00:36] <orbisvicis> fevel, deluge does support torrent encryption if thats what you are asking ?
[00:36] <dep> MUS4SHIII: Not possible. If you want a more detailed description of why, ask, but it's related to their gtk implementation
[00:36] <orbisvicis> but so does azureus 2.5 for win
[00:36] <ido-> ugh.
[00:36] <ido-> too much time
[00:36] <_polto_> I am running a 64 bit ubuntu Gutsy on my desktop and i am trying to get Xilinx ISE work. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XilinxISE#head-c95f0e4e1b1574f6f38d37ff4400188041b3e5c5 say (last lines) what ia32-libmotif3 package does not exist. On Feisty i already run Xilinx with all futures. the Gutsy 64 bit is looking for /usr/lib32/libXm.so.3 where can i find it ?
[00:36] <ido-> i can however mount my home elsewhere.
[00:36] <Cahone> Fryguy--, well i looked for the drivers everywhere and cant find them for any of the devices
[00:36] <ryzka> your name???????????????????????????????????????????????????
[00:36] <PaulOgle591> As i am still a windows user, what is the best c++ compiler that I can use, with a reasonable ide that still follows all of the gcc rules
[00:36] <Cahone> Fryguy--, I would love to know what im doing wrong
[00:37] <Fryguy--> Cahone: what devices are you having problems locating or configuring drivers for
[00:37] <Pelo> ido-, you can copy yor /home to the new hdd and change fstab to point to it
[00:37] <PaulOgle591> im looking into visual studio and am finding that makes its own rules
[00:37] <unop_> PaulOgle591, anjuta
[00:37]  * Pelo is getting a bit confused about ido- 's issue
[00:37] <PaulOgle591> how about devc++
[00:37] <bperry> PaulOgle591: monodevelop :-)
[00:37] <orbisvicis> PaulOgle591, vis studio free for students. or bloodshed dev-c++
[00:37] <yowshi> i couldnt figure out how to make it cat to a file i had made so i could find the bloody thing
[00:37] <MUS4SHIII> Thanks dep. Is there any way to get some kind of widget layer pinned? I miss my "Outlook on the desktop" from my MCE install.
[00:37]  * Fryguy-- is a software engineer
[00:37] <yowshi> but there are only 3 uncommented lines and i wrote em down
[00:37] <Fryguy--> what do you want to know about programming?
[00:37] <unop_> PaulOgle591, gcc (or rather g++) is the c++ compiler -- you can use any ide you like
[00:37] <PaulOgle591> i have vis stuio 2008
[00:38] <_polto_> any idea on how to install 32 bit version of libmotif3 on 64 bit Gutsy ?
[00:38] <theunixgeek> What's the difference between a delete_event and a destroy event in GTK?
[00:38] <PaulOgle591> one more question
[00:38]  * Pelo thiks Fryguy--  might be too good for this crowd, he should go to #debian and talk down to the ops there
[00:38] <Cahone> Fryguy--, Graphics drivers for the MSI RX1600Pro-TD256E and AOC Flatscreen monitor and KDS CRT
[00:38] <PaulOgle591> does anyone know about Wubi?
[00:38] <orbisvicis> PaulOgle591, eclipse and netbeans have good ides. Vim has good syntax highlighting
[00:38] <PaulOgle591> and how to use Wubi?
[00:38] <theunixgeek> PaulOgle591: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wubi_%28Ubuntu%29
[00:38] <orbisvicis> no
[00:38] <PaulOgle591> yes
[00:38] <Jack_Sparrow> PaulOgle591, yes.. enough to stay away from it
[00:38] <PaulOgle591> but i am running into troubles
[00:38] <arvind_khadri> hi are there any GUI html editors,a one like frontpage
[00:38] <Pelo> PaulOgle591, as I understant it , wubi creates a  virtual ubuntu that runs inside windows
[00:39] <nikrud> PaulOgle591: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=234  for wubi forums
[00:39] <unop_> theunixgeek,  the former is a result of a user action -- the latter usually means the object is unreffed -- usually the result of code
[00:39] <dep> MUS4SHIII: Compiz's "Widget Layer" may be what you're looking for, it is a toggle-able widget display
[00:39] <Jack_Sparrow> PaulOgle591, we dont support it in here
[00:39] <PaulOgle591> i understand that too
[00:39] <PaulOgle591> o
[00:39] <Cahone> Fryguy--, i have looked everywhere and tried to use other drivers offered in Ubuntu but i dont know which ones to choose
[00:39] <stwange> does anyone know of a text editor with a GUI that runs over SSH? ie. something like BlueFish or GEdit, but instead of X-Forwarding, it just synches the text up over the connection, not the graphics
[00:39] <Pelo> PaulOgle591,  sort of like if it was running on a vrtual macine
[00:39] <theunixgeek> unop_: thanks
[00:39] <PaulOgle591> any particular reason why you don't support it?
[00:39] <Pelo> PaulOgle591, we just deal with straight ubuntu here, it's more then we can handle usualy
[00:39] <arvind_khadri> Jack_Sparrow, hi are there any GUI html editors,a one like frontpage
[00:39] <MUS4SHIII> thanks, I'll look into that. I've got Compiz working pretty well, so I'll see what's available in there.
[00:39] <PaulOgle591> ok
[00:40] <Fryguy--> Cahone: monitors don't have drivers.  As for the video card, that's a plain ati card, they get detected out of the box with 0 issues.  What is the specific problem you are having?
[00:40] <Jack_Sparrow> PaulOgle591, That would drift into discussion, simply put.. it isnt a good way to install ubuntu
[00:40] <PaulOgle591> ok
[00:40] <unop_> arvind_khadri, there's ooweb part of open office
[00:40] <Jack_Sparrow> Pelo, Last I heard.. it can be very dangerous
[00:40] <PaulOgle591> well thanks for your help
[00:40] <cogeno> Is anyone here familiar with systemimager?
[00:40] <arvind_khadri> unop_, thanks ,i dont have any knowlwdge of htm would i be able to create  a webpage
[00:40]  * Pelo thinks Jack_Sparrow should have used his quiet voice
[00:40] <Fryguy--> arvind_khadri: nvu, but please learn proper html it's not that hard
[00:40] <PaulOgle591> actually one more question
[00:40] <Anderson> I am trying to get RW to my external HDD, originally formatted in windows, type HPFS/NTFS. I ran ntfsfix and it gave back some errors. So I tried mounting and creating a folder. No luck. I tried running ntfsfix on the mounted device, and it says 'Refusing to operate on read-write mounted device /dev/sda1.' Can any explain what is not working for me?
[00:41] <PaulOgle591> is HD audio support planned for the next release?
[00:41] <PaulOgle591> i plan on moving my HP to linux
[00:41] <yowshi> unop_, http://pastebin.com/m36f39dde
[00:41] <dep> MUS4SHIII: Good luck, personally I just wish they'd code the show desktop button so that it didn't screw up things so badly. Meh.
[00:41] <Fryguy--> PaulOgle591: define "hd audio"
[00:41] <Pelo> !ntfs-3g > Anderson check for a private message windows with instructions from ubotu
[00:41] <yowshi> those are the three lines i wrote down
[00:41] <PaulOgle591> HD audio drivers
[00:41] <yowshi> the only three uncommented lines
[00:41] <Cahone> Fryguy--, I cant seem to pick an ati driver  (which i have tried) that will work.  for example i want to run in 1280 x 1024 and all i can get is 800 x 600 and no dual monitors either
[00:41] <Jack_Sparrow> :)   Jack must be tired.. yo are right
[00:41] <MatToufoutu> heya happy linuxians :)
[00:41] <unop_> arvind_khadri, ooweb is the openoffice counterpart to frontpage -- its a WYSIWYG editor
[00:41] <arvind_khadri> Fryguy--, :) am taking a chance on it,will surely learn
[00:41] <Fryguy--> PaulOgle591: what makes hd audio drivers different from normal audio drivers
[00:41] <yowshi> the rest is default stuff telling you what the file is
[00:41] <arvind_khadri> unop_, thanks a lot
[00:41] <captaingeek> anyone know how to make a gdm session that uses compiz as the windows manager
[00:41] <DJ_HaMsTa> i just installed ubuntu on an amd 64 machine, using ati radeon xpress 200 built in vid card, had to install under safe mode because normal mode would not display screen, now when i boot it wont display anything unless i enter recovery mode how can i fix this problem ?
[00:41] <orbisvicis> arvind_khadri, use kompozer, not nvu (which is no longer maintained .. ?)
[00:41] <captaingeek> ???
[00:41] <Anderson> Pelo, Oh, I see. So even though it is mounted as read write, I have to use my ntfs-3g program to mount it.
[00:41] <Fryguy--> Cahone: so then edit xorg.conf so that it does what you want
[00:42] <cogeno> Is anyone here familiar with systemimager?
[00:42] <arvind_khadri> orbisvicis, i use GNOME :)
[00:42] <cogeno> (Sorry for the repeat, but it got bumped up awfully fast)
[00:42] <Pelo> EVERYONE , as you can see the channel is quite busy tonight, please don'T use the enter key for puntucation and use the name of the person you are talking to in each line
[00:42] <Fryguy--> DJ_HaMsTa: edit your xorg.conf file, or dpkg-reconfigure xserver
[00:42]  * yowshi is in need of a smoke
[00:42] <PaulOgle591> I don't know exactly, I just know you have to fix settings in order to implement it.
[00:42] <Cahone> Fryguy--, ok well i dont know how to do that "per say"
[00:42] <Jack_Sparrow> !intelhda
[00:42] <ubotu> For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[00:42] <dep> captaingeek: gdm doesn't use a window manager at all
[00:42] <Fryguy--> Cahone: gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[00:42] <MatToufoutu> does anyone knows a driver for a "hercules classic silver" webcam? i couldnt find any....
[00:42] <captmorgan> Hey guys I am back, I tried what the ubot suggested that I put into the terminal and that didnt work, I didnt realize what ctrl-alt-F2 would do and wasnt prepared so I didnt have the commands I needed to enter whn I got there and had to shut down
[00:42] <orbisvicis> arvind_khadri, we all make exception i guess. I feel its the only decent wysiwyg html editor ... so youll have to install kde deps
[00:43] <PaulOgle591> I know. But for the next release will the make it so you don't have to "fix" intel HDA
[00:43] <unop_> yowshi, you have the strangest problem i've seen in a long time
[00:43] <Fryguy--> Cahone: and xorg.conf is very well documented, has it's own manpage, 10s of thousands of google results, and I believe examples in /usr/share/doc
[00:43] <yowshi> i think this is related to my .dmrc problem
[00:43] <yowshi> it says my home folder aint owned exclusivly by me
[00:43] <Anderson> I ran ntfs-3g and I got back an error that mounting that device is not supported, with a list of windows fixes and ntfsfix options to correct it.
[00:43] <Jack_Sparrow> PaulOgle591, Please understand, I am not trying to be rude.  We want to you use and enjoy ubuntu.  But in a virtual file inside widows... you wont get the full effect of how nice it is
[00:43] <unop_> yowshi, is this as a result of something you did, changing permissions, etc?
[00:43] <Anderson> I have already ran ntfsfix
[00:43] <arvind_khadri> orbisvicis, :) i would first try nuuv nd then maybe komposer
[00:43] <Fryguy--> PaulOgle591: what specific problems are you having with "hd audio" i have an "hd audio" card and it works just fine
[00:43] <yowshi> i was trying to change permissions around in wine
[00:43] <Pelo> Anderson, my mistake I didn'T read all the way throught,  unmount it ,  sudo umount /mountpoint ,  then remount it just as a regular ntfs drive   sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/whatever /mountpint ,  then run that thing again
[00:43] <yowshi> in the .wine folder
[00:44] <arvind_khadri> orbisvicis, am nt against KDE!!!!
[00:44] <yowshi> using pcmanfm
[00:44] <yowshi> err pc file manager
[00:44] <unop_> yowshi, is your username YOSHI (mind the caps) ?
[00:44] <Cahone> Fryguy--, ok i will try to learn about it
[00:44] <yowshi> yes it is
[00:44] <Jack_Sparrow> PaulOgle591, It has more to do with hda implementations of the standard by different manufacturers.. but it will be better with each release
[00:44] <Anderson> Pelo, run ntfs-3g after already mounted?
[00:44] <captaingeek> does anyone know how to make a session that uses gnome/compiz and can be selected at the login screen under options > session?
[00:44] <PaulOgle591> ok
[00:44] <Fryguy--> Cahone: as for dual monitor support, be sure to enable xinerama and use a window manager that supports it (both compiz and metacity do0
[00:44] <Cahone> Fryguy--, it pulled up a blank document when i entered it in the terminal
[00:44] <unop_> yowshi, ok -- can you ouput this --  whoami; groups
[00:44] <yowshi> thing is even the root account cant use sudo
[00:44] <TXTad> oh, good...I see dual monitor talk
[00:44] <Fryguy--> Cahone: then you didn't enter it correctly
[00:45] <unop_> yowshi, ehh?
[00:45] <Pelo> Anderson,forget about ntfs-3g,  unmount the drive and remount it without write support
[00:45] <TXTad> any idea why I can't have compiz with Xinerama?
[00:45] <whitehat_> hello ppl
[00:45] <Fryguy--> Cahone: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[00:45] <yowshi> yoshi
[00:45] <yowshi> yoshi adm dialout cdrom floppy tape audio dip video plugdev scanner netdev lpadmin powerdev admin
[00:45] <Cahone> Fryguy--, thats what i thought
[00:45] <Pelo> afk
[00:45] <meheren> yowshi, root has no need of sude
[00:45] <whitehat_> if i was a mexican midget
[00:45] <meheren> *sudo lol
[00:45] <whitehat_> I would use windows
[00:45] <MatToufoutu> does anyone knows a driver for a "hercules classic silver" webcam? i couldnt find any....  (i appologize for repeating, but it's going so fast here!!)
[00:45] <whitehat_> yes......exactlent
[00:45] <PaulOgle591> what is the release date for Heron
[00:45] <Fryguy--> PaulOgle591: i think april 27 is the tentative date
[00:45] <meheren> yowshi, sudo is like a fake root account
[00:45] <yowshi> yes but it shouldnt get permission denied when you run sudo should it?
[00:45] <icesword> 4.26
[00:45] <Fryguy--> i'm sure it's on the wiki/all over the internet
[00:46] <unop_> yowshi, i seriously suspect by changing permissions you might have upset permissions on other system files
[00:46] <Anderson> Pelo,  I can't write to it, which is what I need.
[00:46] <jimbojw> easy question: i just installed memcached, and now it appears the user 'nobody' is firing it up during the boot process - i grepped through /etc for "memcached" and found references in rc0.d through rc6.d - what should I change in which file to make it not start up by default?
[00:46] <jimbojw> thanks in advance
[00:46] <yowshi> oh crapshot
[00:46] <unop_> yowshi, when you sudo as root what error message do you get?
[00:46] <yowshi> permission denied to sudoers
[00:46] <icesword> root
[00:47] <Jack_Sparrow> yowshi, what about setting a new root user password ?
[00:47] <unop_> meheren, root needs sudo to be able to login as other users like with su
[00:47] <Pelo> Anderson, I thought you were having problems because the drive was corrupted or someting and you ran ntfsfix to fix it but it wouldn'T because it was read/write,  so you unmount,  run ntfsfix again , then remount it and use it
[00:47] <yowshi> Jack_Sparrow, ummm huh?
[00:47] <Fryguy--> unop_: uh, don't think so
[00:47] <MUS4SHIII> anyone know of a hotkey that lets me switch audio streams in mplayer during play? I have MythTV installed with the default player set as mPlayer. My Anime is mostly dual language audio tracks and I would like to switch with the remote.
[00:47] <Fryguy--> MUS4SHIII: #mplayer
[00:47] <Jack_Sparrow> yowshi, understand, it is something to be avoided... but in this particular case it might work
[00:47] <MUS4SHIII> thanx
[00:47] <meheren> unop_, yeah did'nt think of that but why would root ever need to be logged in as other users...
[00:47] <void^> MUS4SHIII: # for me
[00:47] <unop_> Fryguy--, when you are logged in as root -- how do you change to another user?
[00:48] <Pelo> Anderson, if i didn'T understand your problem just ignore me
[00:48] <Fryguy--> unop_: su <otherusersname>
[00:48] <yowshi> Jack_Sparrow, yeah i dojt know how to do that
[00:48] <meheren> su user
[00:48] <jimbojw> or, should I install "bum" as per the factoid to control my init scripts - or is there a widely used gui editor
[00:48] <yowshi> or wqhat to do with it once i have done that
[00:48] <void^> MUS4SHIII: doesn't work on the fly with ogm though
[00:48] <Anderson> Pelo, No you are on the right track, but ntfsfix returns errors and remounting does nothing.
[00:48] <unop_> Fryguy--, right, exactly what i mean -- sudo provides that alternative
[00:48] <Jack_Sparrow> yowshi, one sec
[00:48] <Anderson> Pelo, Also, even after ntfsfix ntfs-3g gives errors.
[00:48] <Pelo> Anderson, run ntsf fix while the drive is unmounted
[00:48] <Fryguy--> unop_: sudo is a glorified shortcut to su -c, if you are already root, sudo does nothing
[00:48] <Anderson> Pelo, No change
[00:49] <MUS4SHIII> :( that's dissapointing
[00:49] <Super_Napalm> can anyone hear me I was on earlier trying to get my question answered but it was ignored, so either no-one knows or I don't have Xchat configured right...
[00:49] <Fryguy--> as root, sudo su [user] and su [user] will do exactly the same thing
[00:49] <yowshi> we can hear you
[00:49] <Super_Napalm> ah kk
[00:49] <MUS4SHIII> are there any other players that will?
[00:49] <Pelo> Anderson, can you read the drive if you mount it without ntfs-3g ?
[00:49]  * Dr_willis_ gives Super_Napalm  a cup of coffee
[00:49] <Super_Napalm> ^^ thx
[00:49] <unop_> Fryguy--, err, i dont agree sudo is a shortcut to su -c .. it's an entirely different executable providing better control of who can and cannot do things on the system
[00:49] <Anderson> Pelo, no, it won't even mount with ntfs-3g. If I mount it regularly I can read it though.
[00:49] <Jack_Sparrow> Pelo, have you been following yowshi 's problem.  What about recovery mode, set a root password or reset it as the case may be...  would he then have the use of sudo again ..?
[00:50] <Fryguy--> unop_: it's a glorified shortcut to su -c
[00:50] <Anderson> Pelo, I am trying to back up my data on this computer so I can put a fresh install on.
[00:50] <Fryguy--> unop_: note the "glorified" part.  of course it's a different executable
[00:50] <yowshi> Jack_Sparrow, current solutions have revoleved around chmodding the sudo and sudoers file and editing the sudoers file
[00:50] <unop_> FrancoGG, i disagree -- really i do -- su -c has no interaction with /etc/sudoers (which is crucial in deciding which users and groups are given different levels of permissions)
[00:50] <Pelo> Anderson, uninstall ntfs-3g ( completely uninstall ) ,  delete the line from the fstab file,   reboot,  reintall ntfs-3g, try to remount the drive
[00:50] <Pelo> Jack_Sparrow, hold on , reading up
[00:51] <Jack_Sparrow> yowshi, I saw that, and they have not seemed to work..
[00:51] <Super_Napalm> Okay, I got a problem starting up Half Life 2, everything downloaded and installed fine but when i try to launch it nothing happens, no intro video, menu or even an error message. Only thing it does do is change the resolution to 1024x768. Anyone know whats wrong?
[00:51] <Anderson> Pelo, Thanks I'll work that
[00:51] <yowshi> yep but nothing else has been suggested
[00:51] <Fryguy--> unop_: yes. i know this.  I didn't say sudo was a shortcut to su -c, i said it was a glorified shortcut to su -c.  it does the exact same thing with some additional security measures and other things that dont' really matter.  If you are already root, sudo does nothing.
[00:51] <arvind_khadri> unop_, where do i get ooweb
[00:51] <yowshi> i did try a gnome reset though
[00:51] <Pelo> Jack_Sparrow, can you summerize yowshi 's problem ? just the current status, I don'T need to know how he got there
[00:51] <yowshi> that was the very first suggestion
[00:51] <Fryguy--> Super_Napalm: wrong channel, try #wine
[00:52] <yowshi> i cant sudo
[00:52] <gligorhoria> hellow i have e tehnical question, i have an old pc and i want to change the timer interups frequency from 100 hz, to aroud 50 or 66. Are these values safe? And can i change this without recompiling the kernell? (it takes aboute 3 h and i run a server...)
[00:52] <Super_Napalm> ah kk
[00:52] <Super_Napalm> sorry for bothering :P
[00:52] <yowshi> i have permission denied to the sudoers file
[00:52] <Pelo> yowshi, are you sure your caplock is not enabled or something silly like that &?
[00:52] <yowshi> ls -l $(which sudo) spits out as being owned by root root
[00:52] <Fryguy--> yowshi: then you aren't root
[00:52] <cahone> Fryguy--, So what driver should i use for the RX1600Pro Card?  I know you said it is ATI but i tried the different ATI drivers in Ubuntu and they didnt work really
[00:52] <unop_> Fryguy--, you can control what sudo does in the context of root -- which is why /etc/sudoers needs an explicit entry for root
[00:52] <Jack_Sparrow> Pelo, he lost the ability to use sudo password denied I believe
[00:52] <gligorhoria> sudo nano sudofilelist
[00:52] <arvind_khadri> Fryguy--, , where do i get ooweb
[00:52] <Fryguy--> arvind_khadri: >?
[00:52] <yowshi> you dont need to be root to use sudo
[00:52] <Bleckm> I'm having a problem when booting with the Ubuntu LiveCD, it's not going straight into Gnome, its bringing up a login prompt, any idea whats wrong?
[00:52] <Fryguy--> arvind_khadri: why are you asking me?
[00:52] <yowshi> it isnt even asking for a password just telling me permission denied
[00:53] <unop_> Fryguy--, and if thats the case, you can prevent root from using sudo too
[00:53] <anteaya> i am working through a tutorial and have looked at my user.log for the first time.  I have been using sudo to execute commands when necessary and if i am reading the .log file correctly it appears that when i use sudo to execute a command i don't drop back down to a regular user afterward.  I am i doing something wrong, or perhaps i am reading user.log incorrectly.
[00:53] <Pelo> Jack_Sparrow,  I think nikrud  might be better able to solve that
[00:53] <Pelo> yowshi, is this your computer ?
[00:53] <yowshi> yes
[00:53] <unop_> arvind_khadri, as long as you have open office installed -- ooweb is available -- CTRL+F2 and type in ooweb
[00:53] <Jack_Sparrow> nickrud will be on after work
[00:53] <arvind_khadri> Fryguy--, oops sorry,ok where do i find nvu
[00:53] <yowshi> i can get into the root account so yes
[00:53] <Fryguy--> unop_: what does that do? nothing....  the ENTIRE PURPOSE of sudo is to elevate a users priviledge to root level for 1 command.  If you are already root, elevating roots priviledge to root does nothing
[00:53] <Pelo> yowshi, can you go into  menu > systm >admin > users ?
[00:53] <Fryguy--> arvind_khadri: www.google.com/?q=nvu
[00:53] <l3on> Hi all... someone know why this "while" is broken?
[00:54] <yowshi> probavly not
[00:54] <nikrud> yowshi: have you edited /etc/sudoers at any time?
[00:54] <Fryguy--> l3on: this is #ubuntu, not #programming or #shellscripting
[00:54] <Pelo> l3on, we need an actualyu question ?
[00:54] <yowshi> since it requires a sudo thing i did nikrud do that
[00:54] <jimbojw> can anyone help me understand the difference between /etc/rc#.d/K##blah and /etc/rc#.d/S##blah  - I'm happy to rtfm, just don't know what manpage to read or what to google for
[00:54] <yowshi> and no i cant get into users and groups from this account5
[00:54] <l3on> Fryguy--: ok :)
[00:54] <nikrud> yowshi: that wasn't a very clear statement. What sudo thing?
[00:54] <Lord_VaMpyro> when go out the 8.04 beta?
[00:54] <yowshi> i would need to logout and back in under the root account
[00:54] <arvind_khadri> unop_, thanks...ooweb aint available in GUI menu
[00:55] <Fryguy--> yowshi: as a user, obviously you can't edit a file owned by root.  That should be obvious
[00:55] <Dr_willis_> jimbojw,  S = started , K - killed. One is ran when a service starts, other ran when it shutdown.
[00:55] <nikrud> yowshi: no, if you have a root account, you can do   su root  in a terminal
[00:55] <Pelo> jimbojw, they are run levels,  the apps in each of those folders will load in turn
[00:55] <danand> gligorhoria - are you talking about the kernel rtc?
[00:55] <jimbojw> thanks Dr_willis
[00:55] <yowshi> ahha i did not know that
[00:55] <unop_> Fryguy--, err no .. sudo isnt always about elevating priviledges, you can use it to drop privilidges (or should i say, logging in as different users) too -- and if you prevent root from using sudo (like how yowshi has somehow done) sudo does something under root -- you get me?
[00:55] <jimbojw> thanks Pelo
[00:55] <Dr_willis_> jimbojw,  check out the various 'sysv' type docs for more info. the # is the Order they get started in.
[00:55] <nikrud> yowshi: so, what exactly did you do to /etc/sudoers?
[00:55] <Bleckm> Does the LiveCD have a default user/password that it auto logs into normally?
[00:55] <Pelo> jimbojw, there is actualy a read me text in eacch folder that explain a lot about those rc sthing
[00:56] <Jack_Sparrow> Bleckm, yes
[00:56] <Fryguy--> unop_: name one thing I would want to do as root that I can only do by using sudo first
[00:56] <yowshi> i added yoshi ALL=(ALL) ALL
[00:56] <Lord_VaMpyro> can i download the beta release of hardy heron?
[00:56] <gligorhoria> danand rtc = (real time clock)?
[00:56] <jimbojw> thanks Dr_willis_ / Pelo - how do I determine which of those is responsible for enacting the service I want to disable?
[00:56] <Fryguy--> Lord_VaMpyro: join #ubuntu+1
[00:56] <yowshi> which basically means i added my account
[00:56] <Pelo> Lord_VaMpyro, ask in #ubuntu+1
[00:56] <danand> gligorhoria - yes
[00:56] <Jack_Sparrow> Bleckm, I believe ubuntu is the user name
[00:56] <jimbojw> i'm guessing runlevel 2
[00:56] <Lord_VaMpyro> ok
[00:56] <nikrud> yowshi: hm.   did you use visudo to edit it?
[00:56] <jimbojw> thanks Pelo - i'll check out the readmes
[00:56] <Dr_willis_> jimbojw,  lots of reading ? :)
[00:56] <Pelo> jimbojw, you need to look into them an check the names of the fies
[00:56] <Bleckm> Jack_Sparrow, thanks, any idea what the password might be, or how change it?
[00:56] <yowshi> yes i did nikrud
[00:56] <Jack_Sparrow> Bleckm, you dont..
[00:56] <whaaa> hi guys. my windows have no toolbars/statusbar. how do i fix this?
[00:57] <Dr_willis_> jimbojw,  ssh = ssh, samba = the samba service. and so forth... :) i find the names rather straight forwared
[00:57] <unop_> Fryguy--, when you say "sudo first"? -- does that include things like "sudo cat /etc/sudoers" ?
[00:57] <Fryguy--> whaaa: run a window manager
[00:57] <nikrud> yowshi: do   sudo -i  as your regular user, and put the full output on http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[00:57] <Jack_Sparrow> Bleckm, What exactly are you trying to do?
[00:57] <Pelo> whaaa, check in the display menu
[00:57] <Fryguy--> unop_: sure
[00:57] <Bleckm> Well, unfortunately I'm booting up the LiveCD, and it giving me a login prompt.
[00:57] <Dr_willis_> jimbojw,  most are links to the other actual startup scripts also. do a 'ls -l'
[00:57] <whaaa> i am running compiz
[00:57] <yowshi> this problem started when i was trying to fix some permission problems with my .wine folder using pc file manager
[00:57] <Pelo> whaaa, ask in #compiz
[00:57] <jimbojw> Dr_willis_ - yeah, i just need to turn one off - I've done this before, i just don't remember how, nor where I read about how to do that
[00:57] <unop_> Fryguy--, right, there's one example then :) -- you need to do that as root but sudo first
[00:57] <aldarsior> hello
[00:57] <whaaa> Pelo: thanks
[00:57] <yowshi> cant nikrud
[00:57] <Fryguy--> unop_: cating /etc/sudoers as root is going to be successful under any circumstance, you don't need to sudo to cat a file
[00:57] <Bleckm> I'm guess there is another problem, but I just used the CD to install it on the box I'm currently using.
[00:57] <aldarsior> Is there a bittorrent client for linux with remote http control?
[00:58] <yowshi> yoshi@ubuntu:~$ sudo -i
[00:58] <yowshi> sudo: can't open /etc/sudoers: Permission denied
[00:58] <jimbojw> don't know if I need to edit a symlink, or delete a file
[00:58] <Jack_Sparrow> Bleckm, ah.. ok.. it isnt seeing your video card correctly would be my guess...
[00:58] <Dr_willis_> jimbojw,  thers varuous 'sysv' front end tools. you can use.
[00:58] <lordleemo> yowshi: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/sudo write down on paper what you need  then boot into recovery mode
[00:58] <aldarsior> I'm worried about constantly running a vnc server
[00:58] <__infurnus__> does /etc/hosts.deny overwrite hosts.allow e.g. in hosts.allow sshd: ALL but in hosts.deny ALL: ALL
[00:58] <nikrud> yowshi: is that the only error line (I was looking for all the errors)
[00:58] <Fryguy--> aldarsior: there are several
[00:58] <Dr_willis_> jimbojw,  or theres some command line tools also.. or you can do it manually with the links
[00:58] <Pelo> jimbojw,  that,s waht the read me files explain
[00:58] <yowshi> yes it is nikrud
[00:58] <Bleckm> Oh thats weird, I could've sworn they are using the the same card, GeForce 7300.
[00:58] <gligorhoria> danand hmm i'm not sure, the only thing i can tell u thow that ther is a setting when compiling the kernell that configures how many times the procesor stop to reschedual the proceses and send out the data that it procesed, more like pframes per second
[00:58] <Dr_willis_> aldarsior,  ktorrent has a web interface plugin.
[00:58] <Jack_Sparrow> Bleckm, nvidia 8000 series?  64 bit maybe
[00:58] <nikrud> yowshi: what does   ls -l  /etc/sudoers  say?
[00:58] <unop_> Fryguy--, right .. ok, i see what you mean -- being logged on as root, why do you need sudo -- well, you might want to login as another user (in the way you use su)
[00:58] <Fryguy--> aldarsior: rtorrent works well for remote control (run it in gnu screen and reconnect via ssh), azureus has a web interface, i think deluge does.  Or you can remotely forward x applications using xpra
[00:58] <Dr_willis_> aldarsior,  rtorrent in a screen session is also doable. :)
[00:59] <dep> __infurnus__: deny overwrites allow, or in apache speak: ORDER allow, deny
[00:59] <jimbojw> thanks guys - i'll check out the readmes
[00:59] <Fryguy--> if i'm root, and I want to log in as another user, I use su, not sudo
[00:59] <aldarsior> Yeah
[00:59] <yowshi> yoshi@ubuntu:~$ ls -l /etc/sudoers
[00:59] <yowshi> -r--r----- 1 root root 423 2008-03-19 20:25 /etc/sudoers
[00:59] <anteaya> i am looking at my user.log file for the first time and it seems to me that when i sudo, i am not dropping back down to regular user status but staying as root.  Is there a way to confirm this?
[00:59] <aldarsior> I had a little trouble with rtorrent in the past
[00:59] <Jack_Sparrow> Bleckm, try this  At start or install press F6 and remove Quiet and Splash from the command line. If it still fails.. Repeat and after removing quiet and splash add noapic acpi=off before the "--"
[00:59] <aldarsior> but that was a long time ago
[00:59] <__infurnus__> dep: not apache.../etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny which takes priority?
[00:59] <aldarsior> thanks a lot
[00:59] <nikrud> yowshi: next, what does  groups   say
[00:59] <Bleckm> Thanks, I'll try that.
[00:59] <yowshi> full command please
[00:59] <nikrud> yowshi:   groups
[00:59] <dep> __infurnus__: deny will take priority, sorry, I just was making a bad apache joke before
[01:00] <yowshi> yoshi@ubuntu:~$ groups
[01:00] <yowshi> yoshi adm dialout cdrom floppy tape audio dip video plugdev scanner netdev lpadmin powerdev admin
[01:00] <__infurnus__> dep: ahh lol thanks
[01:00] <yowshi> i tried to ls -l groups LOL
[01:00] <Pelo> anteaya, sudo stays enabled  for a few minutes so you don't hve to enter the passw for every single command during a long series
[01:00] <nikrud> !who | yowshi (when the channel scrolls fast, it helps)
[01:00] <ubotu> yowshi (when the channel scrolls fast, it helps): As you can see, this is a large channel. If you're speaking to someone in particular, please put their nickname in what you say (use !tab), or else messages get lost and it becomes confusing :)
[01:00] <Fryguy--> aldarsior: probably pebkac, it runs wonderfully
[01:00] <anteaya> Pelo: thank you
[01:00] <anteaya> Pelo: can i execute a command to force a drop?
[01:01] <nikrud> yowshi:    have you edited    /etc/sudoers   and removed the line you added?
[01:01] <Pelo> anteaya, probably,  try man sudo , there should be options to let you do that in there
[01:01] <anteaya> Pelo: thank you
[01:01] <keithclark> I seem to be experiencing an extremely long bootup time on my laptop with Ubuntu 7.10.  Any ideas?
[01:01] <aldarsior> Fryguy--: No, I'm pretty sure it was missing some very basic feature
[01:01] <lufis> does hardy have an smp kernel or what?
[01:01] <Fryguy--> aldarsior: i haven't experienced that
[01:01] <aldarsior> of course, what's very basic to me could be obscure and unnecessary to somebody else
[01:01] <yowshi> yes i have nikrud
[01:01] <Pelo> keithclark, bios power saving features slowing your cpu and/or hdd ?
[01:01] <Fryguy--> lufis: wrong channel, join #ubuntu+1 (and yes it does)
[01:01] <Jack_Sparrow> keithclark, remove splash from the grub command line.. see if that helps
[01:02] <rdd> yeah xp boots faster than ubuntu on my toshiba laptop
[01:02] <meheren> rdd, ! wow
[01:02] <yowshi> nikrud, and it tells me the exact same thing. permission denied
[01:02] <yowshi> to sudoers
[01:02] <gligorhoria> Pelo not realy
[01:02] <nikrud> yowshi:   su  root ,  visudo /etc/sudoers
[01:02] <yowshi> nikrud, i just did that
[01:03] <Fryguy--> yowshi: then you are editing the file
[01:03] <keithclark> Jack_Sparrow, I will modify.
[01:03] <Anderson> Pelo, no luck
[01:03] <Bleckm> Jack_Sparrow, it seems to be slowing down at a point and saying I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0
[01:03] <Jack_Sparrow> keithclark, It seems to have helped some people
[01:03] <Bleckm> Anything to worry about?
[01:03] <nikrud> yowshi: and it said permission denied ??
[01:03] <Pelo> Anderson, hmm, are you sure
[01:03] <yowshi> and you dont need the /etc/sudoers bit and yes nikrud even after removing what i added it says permission denied
[01:03] <Bleckm> And now a lot of SQUASHFS errors.
[01:03] <Jack_Sparrow> Bleckm, it should hang there for two passes then go through
[01:03] <danand> gligorhoria - your talking about interupts right ? Got to say I'm no expert on this but i think were talking about the same thing :) try man rtc. you can control through the sysctl command ie sysctl dev/rtc/max-user-freq=1024 and view settings in /proc and /sys. Other than that i'm not too sure :) Hope that helps
[01:03] <keithclark> Jack_Sparrow, I hope it works for me as well!  Thanks.
[01:03] <yowshi> nikrud, but i can edit from the root no problem
[01:03] <Pelo> Anderson, I mean are you sure you deleted the fstab line for your ntfs drive and made ntfs-config make a new one ?
[01:04] <Anderson> Pelo, Yea, I uninstalled, there wasn't even an entry in fstab for the dev rebooted and reinstalled. tried to mount and no luck
[01:04] <Jack_Sparrow> keithclark, good luck.. let me know if it works eh
[01:04] <nikrud> yowshi: please, I'm trying to check things ... , and thanks for answering the actual question :)
[01:04] <keithclark> Jack_Sparrow, will do. (I just have to wait for it to boot first!!!)
[01:04] <Anderson> Pelo, tried ntfsfix again to no avail
[01:04] <yowshi> nikrud, no problem i am trying to answer as best i can
[01:04] <nikrud> yowshi: next ,  ls -l /usr/bin/sudo
[01:04] <Jack_Sparrow> :)
[01:04] <Pelo> Anderson, mignht not be listed asa a dev might be listed using the uuid ,  check the fstab again and try to look for a line with fuse in it
[01:05] <yowshi>  ls -l /usr/bin/sudo
[01:05] <yowshi> -rwsr-xr-x 2 root root<PHONE_NUMBER>-06-15 08:54 /usr/bin/sudo
[01:05] <yowshi>  nikrud
[01:05] <Pelo> Anderson, or a line with ntfs-3g
[01:06] <Anderson> Pelo, the dev doesn't show up at all, as fuse as /dev/sda1 or as ntfs-3g
[01:06] <Pelo> Anderson, please pastebin your fstab file so I cna have a look
[01:06] <Pelo> !pastebin > Anderson
[01:06] <gligorhoria> danand The ubuntu server kernel is set to a timer interrupt rate of 100 Hz (CONFIG_HZ=100, CONFIG_HZ_100=y), which means it accepts 100 interrupts per second. can i change this on the fly (without recompiling the kernell?)  is this it? ty for the first answer i will try that
[01:07] <nikrud> yowshi: I'm stumped at the moment. I'm gonna google a bit
[01:07] <gligorhoria> danand yes indea i think we were on the same subject :D
[01:07] <Bleckm> Jack_Sparrow, same thing happens, starts up Gnome, and gives me a login box, I'll try the other fix you recommended after removing quiet and splash now.
[01:08] <yowshi> i may have like unop say changed various file systems with one click when i was trying to much with my .wine folder nikrud
[01:08] <isleshocky77> If I have a program which is giving me a Segmentaion Fault, what's the best way to figure out what's going on?
[01:08] <slylock> hello guys i am having some problem here
[01:08] <Jack_Sparrow> Bleckm, one sec.. want to try something
[01:08] <yowshi> manewhile i need a smoke bbs
[01:08] <slylock> when i run
[01:08] <slylock> apt-get build-dep libqt4-core
[01:08] <Fryguy--> isleshocky77: learn to program and read crashdump/stacktrace
[01:08] <Pelo> slylock, please don't use the enter key for punctuation
[01:08] <nikrud> yowshi: could be. But, with sudo set suid, sudoers with the correct read permissions ....
[01:08] <Anderson> Pelo, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60243/
[01:08] <isleshocky77> Fryguy--: I know how to program.  It's subversion which is doing it on commits
[01:08] <Pelo> Anderson, hold on
[01:08] <danand> gligorhoria - I'm not too sure... :D - try cat cat /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq ??
[01:09] <Fryguy--> isleshocky77: so look in /var/crash
[01:09] <Anderson> Pelo, k
[01:09] <dep> *grumble* the only problem with being named 'dep' is anytime anyone talks about build-dep it thinks they're talking to you
[01:09] <isleshocky77> Fryguy--: Thanks. Will do that now.
[01:09] <Jack_Sparrow> Bleckm, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg or sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg (to just set res) If you get locked out Select vesa as your video card and 1024 max res.  Use tab or enter to accept all other defaults  not sure if you will need sudo.. in live..  try startx at the end of that..
[01:09] <aldarsior> Is there anything like Debian-testing for ubuntu?
[01:09] <Flannel> dep: write a more strict regexp?
[01:09] <Atma26> is this the right channel for basic questions?
[01:09] <Flannel> Atma26: yep
[01:09] <afabian> What about Johnny Depp?  or a bank deposit?  Or a depo shot.  Or the Home Depot.
[01:09] <Pelo> Anderson, sudo apt-get install ntfs-config
[01:09] <aldarsior> because while the current version of deluge appears to have a web interface, the version currently in ubuntu doesn't appear to
[01:09] <aldarsior> (or I can't find it)
[01:10] <Anderson> Pelo, K
[01:10] <Flannel> aldarsior: The dev version, or the stable version are your two choices
[01:10] <slylock>  apt-get build-dep libqt4-core
[01:10] <Bleckm> Sorry for a dumb question, but how do I drop to a terminal from the x login screen?
[01:10] <Pelo> slylock, waht is the issue ?
[01:10] <dep> Flannel: yeah, I should, grrr xchat =)
[01:10] <aldarsior> Flannel: is there a sample apt/sources.list file for the dev version?
[01:10] <slylock> Reading package lists... Done
[01:10] <slylock> Building dependency tree
[01:10] <slylock> Reading state information... Done
[01:10] <slylock> E: Unable to find a source package for qt4-x11
[01:10] <Atma26> i keep getting a "cannot eject volume error", but I have no discs in my disk drives or usb volumes attached, any ideas?
[01:10] <icesword> ctrl+alt+f1?
[01:10] <Fryguy--> Bleckm: ctrl-alt-f1 or f2 or f3 or f4 or f5 or f6, or just run a terminal emulator in x (gnome-terminal for example)
[01:10] <Jack_Sparrow> Bleckm, not a dumb question at all.
[01:10] <Pelo> slylock,  then instal the dependency first
[01:11] <unop_> nikrud, i wonder if the permissions of any of sudo's libraries might have something to do with it (/usr/lib/*sudo*)
[01:11] <Anderson> Pelo, couldn't find it in APT, what section is it in?
[01:11] <Bleckm> Thanks.
[01:11] <Flannel> !hardy | aldarsior
[01:11] <ubotu> aldarsior: Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE PRE BETA (ALPHA) SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[01:11] <Jack_Sparrow> Bleckm, Has this same cd worked on another machine?
[01:11] <slylock> Pelo: i cant find the qt-x11
[01:11] <Pelo> Anderson, just type sudo apt-get install ntfs-config in a terminal
[01:11] <Bleckm> Yeah, the one I'm using now actually.
[01:11] <unop_> yowshi, what does this output?  ls -l /usr/lib/*sudo*
[01:11] <Pelo> slylock, did y ou check using synaptic ?
[01:11] <Flannel> slylock: What version of Ubuntu are you running?
[01:11] <DrIP> hi all
[01:11] <DrIP>  i need to get my ubuntu server as a wireless gateway (where wireless has my internet and LAN has my other computers attached to the same router)
[01:11] <Anderson> Pelo, That's what I did. It said it couldn't find the package
[01:12] <Pelo> Anderson, do you ahve all the repositories enabled ?
[01:12] <Jack_Sparrow> Bleckm, I need to start dinner.. someone elase will have an answer for you .. after I eat I amy think of something
[01:12] <keithclark> Jack_Sparrow, Woohoo!  From 3 minutes to 30 seconds.  Thanks!
[01:12] <Bleckm> And its worked on the machine I'm using it on before, but I installed another harddrive so, being that I'm more familiar with windows I did all the formatting with parition magic, and decided to clean out the ubuntu install and put a fresh one on the new harddrive.
[01:12] <Jack_Sparrow> keithclark, happy now
[01:12] <Anderson> I think so, hold on
[01:12] <Bleckm> Thanks for helping.
[01:12] <nikrud> unop_: I wouldn't expect it, since sudo is the parent (or whatever the tech term is)
[01:12] <slylock> Pelo: yea nothing there
[01:12] <isleshocky77> Fryguy--: There is not /var/crash
[01:12] <slylock> Pelo: it cant search anythign there
[01:12] <keithclark> Jack_Sparrow, I'm very happy.
[01:12] <Jack_Sparrow> keithclark, enjoy..  Im off to start dinner
[01:12] <Pelo> slylock, qt-x11-free
[01:12] <Flannel> Anderson: Is this feisty or gutsy?  You need universe enabled.
[01:13] <Anderson> Pelo, main restricted, universe multiverse,
[01:13] <tim3049> Hello...can anyone give me a shove in the right direction with Samba?
[01:13] <Anderson> Flannel, Edgy
[01:13] <yowshi> back nekrid
[01:13] <yowshi> needed a smoke
[01:13] <Fryguy--> isleshocky77: no idea then, that's where my crash dumps go
[01:13] <Flannel> Anderson: Ah!  Well, that'd be why.
[01:13] <Fryguy--> tim3049: #samba
[01:13] <Pelo> Anderson, back port,  3rd tab
[01:13] <Anderson> Flannel, hence the attempt to put a fresh install
[01:13] <Anderson> Pelo, gotcha
[01:13] <tim3049> Fryguy: thanks!
[01:13] <Flannel> Anderson: Sorry, I just got here
[01:14] <yowshi> yoshi@ubuntu:~$ ls -l /usr/lib/*sudo*
[01:14] <yowshi> total 12
[01:14] <yowshi> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  787 2007-06-15 08:54 sudo_noexec.la
[01:14] <yowshi> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6448 2007-06-15 08:54 sudo_noexec.so
[01:14] <yowshi> nekrud unop_
[01:14] <FloodBot2> yowshi: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:14] <slylock> Pelo: letme try it
[01:14] <Pelo> Anderson, not sure it ' actualy available in edgy,  that,s quite a while back
[01:14] <Pelo> slylock, sudo apt-cache search packagename is your friend
[01:14] <Flannel> Pelo: it's not.  Feisty and Gutsy only.
[01:14] <cameodemon> anyone successfully used an ~/.xsession file with gutsy? its been a real pain
[01:15] <Anderson> Pelo, Yeah, I couldn't update while I was in Iraq. It's not in backport either
[01:15] <unop_> yowshi, ls -ld /root
[01:15] <Pelo> Flannel, we found the problem then,  he'll need to install his rw ntfs support the hardway
[01:15] <DrIP> anyone?
[01:15] <slylock> Pelo: its a bit confusing
[01:15] <slylock> Pelo: i was getting error related to glib and also x11
[01:15] <Pelo> Anderson, you'll need to install ntsf write capability the hardway
[01:15] <yowshi> drwxr-xr-x 44 root root 4096 2008-03-19 20:36 /root (unop_ nekrud)
[01:16] <yowshi> i added the () so as to not flood
[01:16] <Anderson> Pelo, I'm always up for a challenge.
[01:16] <Pelo> slylock,  apt-cache search glib
[01:16] <slylock> Pelo: but i cant find glib in the repo either
[01:16] <Pelo> Anderson, I don't know if I still ahve a link for hat , hold on
[01:16] <Anderson> Pelo, k
[01:16] <unop_> yowshi, so su works fine?
[01:16] <Pelo> Anderson, http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Edgy
[01:16] <yowshi> su works yes unop_
[01:16] <Flannel> Anderson: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions  7.04 instructions
[01:16] <Flannel> Anderson: er, wait.  6.10, sorry.
[01:16] <yowshi> i actually have the root account in a second tab right now
[01:17] <Flannel> Anderson: Still on that page though.
[01:17] <Atma26> any ideas for mysterious "cannot eject volume" errors?
[01:17] <aldarsior> Flannel: thanks!
[01:17] <Flannel> Anderson: I suppose that'd actually be: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions/ThirdPartyNTFS3G
[01:17] <slylock> Pelo: i found libglib1.2-dev
[01:17] <Pelo> slylock, anyreason you are not installing using synaptic ?
[01:17] <Pelo> slylock,  that would probabaly do
[01:17] <slylock> Pelo: i hope thats glib
[01:17] <kris_ph> what's the command to know the version of apache2 running?
[01:17] <unop_> yowshi, i really suspect that permissions upset on system files/dirs might be to blame .. I can't think of anything more
[01:18] <Anderson> Flannel, Pelo, alright I have some reading to do. Thanks for the help.
[01:18] <Flannel> kris_ph: apache2 -v
[01:18] <yowshi> unop_, how do i check and correct them though using the cli only
[01:18] <NMajik> How can I check why a port is open? I figure there should be a way using netstat but I don't know how
[01:18] <icesword> yowshi, nano /etc/sudoers,move to root all =all all,below it,add (username you want ) all =...,just like that root line
[01:18] <yowshi> unop_, i am preferential to guis since i typo so much
[01:18] <Fryguy--> NMajik: man netstat
[01:18] <Bleckm> I hit Ctrl+Alt+F1 at the login prompt when Gnome starts on the liveCD and it says "Loading, please wait..."  Then repeats "User not known to the underlying authentication module" 11 times, and I can't type any commands.
[01:18] <Flannel> icesword, yowshi, DONT use nano.  ALWAYS use visudo
[01:19] <yowshi> icesword, huh
[01:19] <Pelo> Anderson, best of luck
[01:19] <icesword> Flannel, i cannot use vim
[01:19] <kris_ph>  Apache/2.2.4 (Ubuntu) <<< is this the latest in the repo?
[01:19] <Fryguy--> Bleckm: what about ctrl-alt-f2
[01:19] <Flannel> icesword: visudo will use nano if that's your preferred editor.  But what are you trying to accomplish anyway?
[01:19] <yowshi> icesword, also i already tried adding my username it didnt work
[01:19] <Fryguy--> icesword: so learn it. it's not that hard.  I use it for 8+ hours a day
[01:19] <Bleckm> Took away the loading please wait, but has the errors repeat.
[01:19] <icesword> ok
[01:20] <Flannel> icesword: You're trying to add a user to be able to use sudo?
[01:20] <nikrud> unop_: yowshi I've been looking around with out any luck. I think you're on the right track unop_ but figuring out what ...
[01:20] <Flannel> kris_ph: In gutsy, yes.
[01:20] <NMajik> Fryguy--: That's all greek to me
[01:20] <unop_> yowshi, you'd need to compare permissions of each and every file against some sort of baseline -- let me think about this
[01:20] <Fryguy--> NMajik: that's unfortunate.  it looks like english to me
[01:21] <lilyth> why can I record from my line in with 'arecord' but not be able to get to my device with /dev/dsp or hw:0,0?
[01:21] <yowshi> unop_, each and EVERY file in noth my hard drives?
[01:21] <Fryguy--> NMajik: google + documentation is your friend.  this is #ubuntu not #ihaverandomproblemswithcoreunixcommandsandcantreaddocumentation
[01:21] <yowshi> both*
[01:21] <kris_ph> Flannel: running sudo apt-get upgrade will upgrade apache2 once the latest stable version is already available in the repo, right?
[01:21] <adrian_2002ca> i was wondering if the ubuntu web page https://help.ubuntu.com/  is also open source
[01:21] <NMajik> Fryguy--: I've checked that channel; I'm the only one there, I expect there should be more people
[01:21] <digin4> where can i get ubuntu studio themes?
[01:21] <Fryguy--> kris_ph: assuming you updated your repo using apt-get update, yes
[01:22] <Bleckm> From googling it seems like the CD might be corrupt, I'll just burn another one.
[01:22] <unop_> yowshi, well, in every directory that matters atleast, yes -- let me see what i can script up
[01:22] <Pelo> digin4, try www.gnome-look.org
[01:22] <Flannel> kris_ph: Gutsy will *always* have 2.2.4.  It will still recieve bugfixes/security updates though.
[01:22] <Fryguy--> digin4: apt-cache search ubuntu studio
[01:22] <adrian_2002ca> (can i use the style to make my own web page?)???
[01:22] <Pelo> afk
[01:22] <Flannel> kris_ph: So, depending on what you mean by that question, maybe.
[01:22] <tim3049> Looks like everyone in #samba is looking for answers as well. I'm trying to figure out why when I run "sudu apt-get install samba" that I get the error "Package samba is not available..."
[01:22] <Fryguy--> digin4: will list you all of the icons, menu,s graphics, themes, etc that you want
[01:22] <yowshi> thank you unop_ and nekrud and everyone else who has tried to help
[01:22] <digin4> thank you :)
[01:23] <kris_ph> Flannel: I've seen in the official site that the latest version is 2.2.6....
[01:23] <Flannel> tim3049: pastebin your sources.list
[01:23] <Flannel> kris_ph: Thats correct.  Gutsy will never have 2.2.6
[01:23] <yowshi> last time i tell pcmanfm to apply permissions to every folder in wine
[01:23] <yowshi> .wine*
[01:23] <kris_ph> Flannel: for what reason?
[01:23] <tim3049> Flannel: Sorry, i'm not sure what that means. Is there a link that will help me through it?
[01:23] <Fryguy--> kris_ph: releases of ubuntu don't upgrade major revisions of software
[01:24] <Flannel> kris_ph: Because thats how Ubuntu does stuff.  Versions are frozen for the life of any Ubuntu version.  They *do* get updates though. bugfixes and security updats.
[01:24] <Flannel> !paste | tim3049
[01:24] <ubotu> tim3049: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[01:24] <CTho> does gutsy install any port scanners by default?
[01:24] <Flannel> tim3049: /etc/apt/sources.list, copy it to pastebin, and give us the URL
[01:24] <Fryguy--> CTho: if you count nc + shell script as a portscanner, then yes
[01:25] <CyberCod> is there a specific ubuntu brainstorm irc channel?
[01:25] <minimec> tim3049: Verify your /etc/apt/sources.list. de/activate #CD-Source,the ubuntu sources.
[01:25] <kris_ph> Flannel: uhuh. for that reason then.. though some of the web servers running in earlier version of apache...it is still secured in the since that patches made available for higher versions could still be installed in their old version.. right
[01:26] <icesword> CyberCod, #ubuntu-ops?
[01:26] <Flannel> kris_ph: correct.
[01:26] <whitehat_> hey, guys big problem, my laptop has this error when trying to play sound (it's ubuntus problem cause debian works fine) it says
[01:26] <Flannel> kris_ph: Just any new features released in 2.2.6 wouldn't be present.
[01:26] <Fryguy--> kris_ph: security updates are made, major revisions aren't upgraded. simple.
[01:26] <whitehat_> that Gstreamer is not found
[01:26] <Fryguy--> kris_ph: you realize like, 1/3 of the internet, is still using apache 1.x, right?
[01:26] <whitehat_> that means that 2/3 isn't :)
[01:27] <CyberCod> what would happen if I were to add ubuntu repositories to another debian linux OS?  Would it work? Could I install software?
[01:27] <whitehat_> i can do math hahahaha
[01:27] <Fryguy--> CyberCod: no
[01:27] <yowshi> Flannel why not include 2.2.6?
[01:27] <kris_ph> Flannel: yeah.. I noticed that.. I thought honestly that their web servers are not secured anymore since their apache version is not updated
[01:27] <PriceChild> CyberCod: things will break
[01:27] <brent113> Question: When I try to shut down in Gutsy, the first time I click the shutdown button in the top right it takes ~50 seconds to bring up the shutdown/restart/other options window.  If I cancel out and do it again though it behaves normally.  Anyone have an idea?
[01:27] <fevel> has anyone seen the iphone development kit?
[01:27] <Fryguy--> yowshi: because 2.2.4 is what was available when gutsy was available, and is what the rel-engs decided to go with
[01:27] <CyberCod> Its in Virtualbox...
[01:27] <whitehat_> yes
[01:27] <yowshi> ah
[01:27] <whitehat_> fevel,yes
[01:27] <PriceChild> CyberCod: things will break
[01:27] <minimec> CyberCod: Not a good idea. Imagine all the dependency problems...
[01:27] <Flannel> yowshi: With a stable version number for all software, you can make sure it plays well together
[01:27] <CyberCod> won't break anything too bad
[01:27] <Fryguy--> brent113: did you go through your session and disable things? namely the power management daemon?
[01:28] <yowshi> yeah i get it
[01:28] <CyberCod> wouldn't dependencies be IN the repos?
[01:28] <brent113> fryguy: I'll try that
[01:28] <yowshi> hardy might have 2.2.6 then?
[01:28] <Fryguy--> brent113: no DON'T try that, it's what causes that problem
[01:28] <Fryguy--> yowshi: maybe
[01:28] <brent113> oh
[01:28] <fevel> whitehat_, its really easy with that "what you see is what you get" framework
[01:28] <CyberCod> Well, I wanna respin Ubuntu
[01:28] <Fryguy--> yowshi: join #ubuntu+1 for hardy issues
[01:28] <kris_ph> I guess hardy will have 2.2.6... :)
[01:28] <Fryguy--> or just compile it from source yourself
[01:28] <CyberCod> and Dreamlinux has that nifty MkDistro tool
[01:28] <brent113> fryguy: well it is disabled, if it's that predictable
[01:28] <yowshi> fryguy i am not using hardy
[01:28] <fevel> I was wondering if theres something like that for coing in python
[01:29] <Fryguy--> brent113: if it's disabled, then enable it
[01:29] <snerfu> I was looking at the hardy heron release schedule on the wiki. It says the first beta release is supposed to be tomorrow but there is an exclamation point next to it, does that mean it will be delayed a bit?
[01:29] <whitehat_> no, it's only for winodws :(
[01:29] <CyberCod> so I was thinking, if you can't bring the tool to Ubuntu, can you bring Ubuntu to the tool?
[01:29] <fevel> like an ide I could get running on ubuntu
[01:29] <CTho> Fryguy--: if you can give me a command line to get it to scan (or a shell script that loops ports?) that would do
[01:29] <Fryguy--> snerfu: join #ubuntu+1 for hardy
[01:29] <Fryguy--> CTho: just install nmap
[01:29] <snerfu> Thanks Fryguy.
[01:29] <cahone> Fryguy--, Hey Fryguy i was able to edit the xorg.conf file to get a good 1024x768 Resolution for my one monitor.  Do you know how to use the System Appearance Preferences in Ubuntu and is that application simply modifying the xorg.conf file? or what?
[01:29] <ektobot_> What room is ubuntu UK?
[01:29] <minimec> CyberCod: Well... the problem sometimes is not only the package, but the version too. Imagine hardy repo on debian etch... Impossible.
[01:29] <CTho> Fryguy--: ok
[01:29] <brent113> fryguy: well, thanks.  do you know why it does that?
[01:29] <Flannel> !uk | ektobot_
[01:29] <ubotu> ektobot_: Join us for a discussion using the Queen's English in #ubuntu-uk
[01:29] <CyberCod> hmmm
[01:29] <whitehat_> nope fevel, where out of luck apple seems to like supporting microsoft
[01:29] <ektobot_> :P thanks bot
[01:30] <dm1> 1
[01:30] <joker> #surabaya
[01:30] <Fryguy--> brent113: not specifically, but the power daemon is what is responsible for figuring out the current and available power states of the machine
[01:30] <CyberCod> I was hopeful synaptic would be smart enough to resolve dependency issues if all the packages were present
[01:30] <whitehat_> hey guys this is driving me nuts what does XD mean?
[01:30] <brent113> ah, i found a site, thanks so much!!
[01:30] <whitehat_> oh it's a laughing face
[01:30] <whitehat_> nvm
[01:30] <Flannel> CyberCod: Only if their versioning scheme is compatable
[01:30] <cahone> Fryguy--, In the Appearance Preferences I am specifically trying to use the Visual Effects Options but they wont enable?
[01:30] <Fryguy--> cahone: yes it just modifies the xorg.conf file, and then makes a backup of it.  And provides a fancy gui wrapper around text editing that usually just gets in the way (in my opinion)
[01:30] <fevel> Xd is like a large smile with closed shut eyes
[01:30] <whitehat_> cahone, install the compiz manger
[01:31] <CyberCod> ah
[01:31] <CyberCod> :(
[01:31] <cogeno> Is anyone that is currently in here familiar with systemimager?
[01:31] <Fryguy--> cahone: enabling compiz on ati is outside the scope of this channel, google is good, #compiz-fusion, and I think #ubuntu-effects exists
[01:31] <jsoftw> Any suggestions on a decent visio like program? Dia sucks, no decent icons/images
[01:31] <fevel> whitehat_, I meant not coding for the iphone...I meant an ide that would run on ubuntu and code python using a lego like approach
[01:31] <cahone> OMG so Compiz is that complicated?
[01:31] <Fryguy--> jsoftw: i use dia
[01:31] <Fryguy--> cahone: yes
[01:32] <minimec> CyberCod: This goes far beyond package managment...
[01:32] <whitehat_> fevel, ah I wonder....
[01:32] <Fryguy--> cahone: desktop effects are a waste of cpu cycles anyway :(
[01:32] <fevel> lol
[01:32] <CyberCod> well, does anyone know a good tutorial on remastering Ubuntu
[01:32] <ryrys> jsoftw: i use Dia with icons packages :)
[01:32] <Fryguy--> (compositing is not, however)
[01:32] <CyberCod> ?
[01:32] <fevel> whitehat_, would be nice right?
[01:32] <cahone> So when do i just get to use my computer?  Does everything require that you work on your computer and not with it?
[01:32] <whitehat_> yep
[01:32] <cahone> sorry for the neg attitude lol
[01:32] <Fryguy--> cahone: not at all
[01:32] <NMajik> Fryguy--: I am completely stumped, will you help?
[01:32] <velius> hello, i have recompiled my kernel several times. I cant get my ethernet card to work. even though i chose the right drivers.
[01:32] <adude> how can i make a webpage as the background
[01:32] <Fryguy--> NMajik: ask a question, and I answer it
[01:33] <Fryguy--> NMajik: or direct you to the location of the answer
[01:33] <velius> should i compile ethernet driver as a module or built in?
[01:33] <fevel> whitehat_, python is easy to get logic going...If I could build a gui for the logic using building blocks would be nice
[01:33] <Fryguy--> velius: you almost certainly don't need to be compiling an ethernet driver
[01:33] <Atma26> anyone know how to get rid of a repeating "cannot eject volume" error?
[01:33] <velius> no fryguy
[01:33] <velius> i am recompiling the kernel
[01:33] <velius> i selected the right ethernet module but it isnt working
[01:33] <cahone> I really dont get it?  It seems as though the simplest of things is so complicated in Linux?
[01:33] <fevel> Atma26,  if you could restart gnome
[01:33] <Fryguy--> velius: well, since you pretty much use ethernet 100% of the time the machine is on, it should be compiled in
[01:34] <cahone> See i cant even speak strait anymore
[01:34] <velius> should i compile the ethernet driver as a module or build it into the kernel
[01:34] <matthob> Hi, anuone know why when I use Gpart, shows my HDD unallocated complete even when I have 3 partitions there?
[01:34] <Atma26> fevel: i tried that
[01:34] <velius> ok
[01:34] <velius> i will try that
[01:34] <Atma26> fevel: no effect
[01:34] <NMajik> Fryguy--: I used the command "sudo netstat -e -e -l -p > ~/tmp". Used grep to look in that file for the port shown, which I found. Instead of a PID/Program name though I just get a hyphen
[01:34] <cahone> Guess i just have a massive learning curve to join in on all the fun
[01:34] <velius> well thanks for the help im off to compile :)
[01:34] <velius> man i miss freebsd
[01:34] <Ububegin> Hi, where is nice site to get nice desktop themes and logins for ubuntu...
[01:35] <Fryguy--> NMajik: then it's something in the kernel using that port
[01:35] <Fryguy--> NMajik: (i think, not 100% sure, i'm like 90-95% sure)
[01:35] <bperry> Ububegin: gnome-art?
[01:35] <Fryguy--> Ububegin: gnome-look.org
[01:35] <bperry> art.gnome.org
[01:36] <Fryguy--> and bperry's suggestion, that i was in the middle of typing and got beat
[01:36] <NMajik> Fryguy--: But I can't use netstat to look further into what it's being used for?
[01:36] <Fryguy--> NMajik: not that i knwo of
[01:37] <NMajik> Fryguy--: Is it reasonably safe to assume it's not a security issue?
[01:37] <adude> how can you make a webpage as the desktop background?
[01:37] <matthob> Anyone know how to solve that Gparted shows UNALLOCATED all the HDD even when I have 3 partitions?
[01:37] <Fryguy--> NMajik: probably
[01:37] <cahone> Fryguy--, are things like compiz temorary patch programs (for lack of a better term) that i will have to implement and delete everytime i make a simple hardware exchange like installing a new video card?
[01:37] <CyberCod> I guess thats a "no".. :(
[01:37] <fevel> matthob,  did you choose the right HD
[01:37] <Fryguy--> cahone: no
[01:37] <Flannel> matthob: what does `sudo fdisk -l` (lower L) show?
[01:37] <Ububegin> Fryguy, bperry : looking at it now... :D
[01:37] <cahone> Fryguy--, so you use compiz with other cards too?
[01:38] <Fryguy--> cahone: yes
[01:38] <matthob> fevel, yes its the right hdd, the only one in fact.
[01:38] <byrd> I have a odd question: I have a CD here burnt and I want to find out if it's Alpha 4 or 5 of Ubuntu 8.04 - is there a way to do so?
[01:38] <bperry> byrd: md5sum it
[01:38] <Fryguy--> cahone: compiz interfaces with X, it doesn't do anything directly with your video card.  Assuming you have X11 configured correctly, then it works, regardless of what video card it actually is
[01:38] <matthob> Flannel, i need to reboot to see what does, What probably need to show ?
[01:38] <bperry> and compare it to the two md5sums canonical offers
[01:38] <whitehat_> snivel, only 59 ppl bought my program :(
[01:38] <cahone> Fryguy--, this is interesting so many hidden delights...i dont know how i would have ever guessed i needed compiz without someone like you to tell me?
[01:39] <byrd> bperry: can you check md5sum with a whole cd? or do you mean the isos?
[01:39] <Fryguy--> cahone: you don't need compiz
[01:39] <bperry> whichever
[01:39] <cahone> Fryguy--, ahh ic
[01:39] <byrd> aight, thanks
[01:39] <cahone> Fryguy--, then how do i get the visual effects to work?
[01:39] <Fryguy--> cahone: use compiz
[01:39] <Fryguy--> compiz IS the visual effects
[01:39] <cahone> Fryguy--, kk
[01:39] <slylock> Pelo: u there
[01:40] <Fryguy--> but you don't need compiz to get your computer to run (alluding to the point you made earlier about working on the computer, not with it)
[01:40] <Pelo> slylock, more or less , you'll be competing with torchwood for my attention , make it good
[01:40] <cahone> Fryguy--, i do like a level of cool computing experience and not simply a terminal screen when i use a computer
[01:41] <bperry> terminal is better :-)
[01:41] <Fryguy--> cahone: that's somewhat of a hyperbole, but ok (I actually prefer a screen full of terminals whenever possible)
[01:41] <cahone> LOL
[01:41] <bperry> Fryguy--: wtf? you know gnome-terminal has tabs right?
[01:41] <Fryguy--> the only noteworthy thin i do outside of terminals is web browser and video playback
[01:41] <matthob> Flannel, If any property, what should show the "fdisk -l". I just have one HDD and four or five NTFS partitions
[01:41] <slylock> Pelo: package glib-2.0 was not found in pkg-config perhaps you should add  the directory containing 'glib-2.0.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH evvirnoment variable
[01:42] <bperry> unless you use xterm
[01:42] <Fryguy--> bperry: yes, usually only have 1 open with multiple screen sessions split up
[01:42] <cowboy29> how do i compile a source code in ubuntu?
[01:42] <LadyNikon> !install
[01:42] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in a lot of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall. Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[01:42] <Pelo> slylock, libglib-2.0 and ibglib-2.0-dev
[01:42] <slylock> Pelo: it says the same for gthread
[01:42] <cahone> I build websites and use PHP CSS HTML and the rest of the crap too
[01:42] <LadyNikon> dang wrong one.
[01:42] <Pelo> slylock,  robabaly
[01:42] <Fryguy--> bperry: I dislike tabs because it hides an entire interface, and I have a large enough monitor that I can show several terminals at once, and i like to be able to read them all without hitting keys to change tabs
[01:42] <byrd> bperry: do you have an idea as to where the alpha 4/5 checksums? the pages http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hardy/alpha-5/MD5SUMS are dead
[01:43] <Fryguy--> cowboy29: install the build-essential package and have at it
[01:43] <Pelo> slylock, doyou have a gui ? gnome ?
[01:43] <Flannel> matthob: it will list the partitions
[01:43] <cahone> I am a visual person and like working in graphics programs as well as programing
[01:43] <slylock> yea
[01:43] <slylock> Pelo: yea
[01:43] <cowboy29> i am very new to all this so please put this in lamen terms
[01:43] <MatToufoutu> quelqu'un a dejà utilisé freenet?
[01:43] <Flannel> !fr | MatToufoutu
[01:43] <Fryguy--> cowboy29: if you are new to this, then you shouldn't be compiling code
[01:43] <ubotu> MatToufoutu: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[01:43] <Pelo> slylock, menu > stystem > admin > synaptic package manager,  always install the -dev related package of the dependency you need
[01:43] <MatToufoutu> ??
[01:44] <MatToufoutu> oups excuse
[01:44] <MatToufoutu> mistook channel
[01:44] <cahone> I dont think Deamweaver works in a Linux environment thought
[01:44] <cahone> though
[01:44] <Fryguy--> large guis like that just cause me to work more slowly
[01:44] <Pelo> slylock, what app are you trying to install again ? it's probably in synatpic as well , just do a search for it first,  synaptic will isntall all the required dependencies
[01:44] <bperry> byrd, do you have the isos on hand?
[01:44] <cowboy29> hehe well is all i am trying to compile is ftpd pro
[01:44] <matthob> Flannel, I guess shows no partitions, just the hdd without partitions or type ofs
[01:45] <byrd> bperry: yup
[01:45] <Fryguy--> cowboy29: there's plenty of ftp daemons available in ubuntu, there is no need (or good reason) to be compiling your own
[01:45] <cowboy29> well this is the one the forusm had instructions on how touse and setup but i went to install it like it said and it told me package could not be found
[01:45] <bperry> byrd:
[01:46] <slylock> Pelo: i am trying to compile the source code of qt
[01:46] <cowboy29> so i downloaded the package and have it untared just need to compile it so i can install it
[01:46] <Flannel> cowboy29: Which one?
[01:46] <icanhasadmin> Having difficultly starting fglrx/AIGLX on radeon xpress 200m. tried nearly everything.. willing to follow suggestions
[01:46] <bperry> on the disk and in the isos, there is a file called md5sum.txt
[01:46] <slylock> Pelo: i need the 4.3.2 not the older one
[01:46] <capitalidea> I have ntfs-3g but I cannot mount a larg (500GB) NTFS volume, I need help I have no idea how to proceed from here...
[01:46] <cowboy29> proftpd-1.3.1
[01:46] <slylock> Pelo: thats why i am compiling it
[01:46] <Fryguy--> cowboy29: install packages using ubuntu's package management sytem (synaptic) unless you have very good reason to do otherwise
[01:46] <bperry> byrd: compare the two md5sum.txt's to the one on the CD
[01:46] <bperry> that will tell you
[01:46] <Flannel> cowboy29: proftpd is in the repositories.  install the 'proftpd' package, and you're good to go.
[01:47] <slylock> Pelo: actually i had ubuntu  6.06 before and qt compiled fine on it but now i have 7.10 and i am having problems
[01:47] <Pelo> slylock, ok , well , you can still install the dependendies from synaptic, , like I said , always install the -dev packages , close synaptic before running make ,  and you might also need to compile some of the dependencies ifyou need more recent ones
[01:47] <nicodarious> hey all
[01:47] <byrd> bperry: i found the one on the cd, but which ones should i compare them to? the only other checksum file i could find was the alpha 6 one :x
[01:47] <cowboy29> wel i did the sudo apt-get install proftpd-1.3.1 and it is still telling me it can not find the package
[01:47] <nicodarious> just jumping in here.  I'm new to this channel but have a little knowledge on Ubuntu.
[01:48] <exegesis> I want to do a fresh install of Gutsy but don't want to lose my preferences etc.  How do I do that without using an external drive?
[01:48] <Pelo> slylock,  installing the current qt from synaptic, and then removing it , leaving thedependencies migth speed things up
[01:48] <Flannel> cowboy29: Because the package name is 'proftpd' without the version information.
[01:48] <bperry> byrd, heh, that will tell you also, if they don't match, you have alpha 5
[01:48] <Pelo> exegesis, just move your /home folder to a seperate partitons
[01:48] <Fryguy--> exegesis: back up your /home directory somewhere
[01:48] <bperry> ;-)
[01:48] <nicodarious> exegesis, what prefs do you want to keep?
[01:48] <slylock> Pelo: hmmmm how do i remove it then after installing it
[01:48] <unop_> yowshi, are you still here?
[01:49] <exegesis> nicodarious my firefox, amarok things.  I'm sure there's more but that's all that comes to mind
[01:49] <nicodarious> exegesis, you don't have to delete your home partition to do a fresh install of Gutsy, or any Linux for that manner
[01:49] <cowboy29> and i get this error when i try to use the synaptic
[01:49] <yowshi> i am back
[01:49] <capitalidea> I have ntfs-3g but I cannot mount a larg (500GB) NTFS volume, I need help I have no idea how to proceed from here...
[01:49] <yowshi> went for a smoke unop_
[01:49] <byrd> bperry: hah, fair enough.. i think i might as well download alpha 6 as i'm going to have to mass update whatever alpha i have anyway.. thanks for your time :)
[01:49] <Pelo> slylock, use synaptic,  search for qt,   which ever pacakge you end up installing ,  remove the same package with right ciick uninstall
[01:49] <exegesis> fryguy my last name's fry, why'd you choose that name?
[01:49] <Flannel> byrd: mount them and check timestamps
[01:49] <Fryguy--> exegesis: super mario brothers 2
[01:49] <clearzen> capitalidea: are you mounting it from the CLI?
[01:49] <nicodarious> exegesis, do a backup of your synaptic packages through synaptic and save it on your desktop.
[01:49] <capitalidea> from Nautilus
[01:49] <exegesis> fryguy oh, cuz people call me Fryguy from time to time, haha
[01:50] <cowboy29> error E: Encountered a section with no Package: header
[01:50] <cowboy29> E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_gutsy_main_binary-i386_Packages
[01:50] <cowboy29> E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
[01:50] <cowboy29> E: _cache->open() failed, please report.
[01:50] <cowboy29> W: Duplicate sources.list entry cdrom://Ubuntu 7.10 _Gutsy Gibbon_ - Release i386 (20071016) gutsy/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/Ubuntu%207.10%20%5fGutsy%20Gibbon%5f%20-%20Release%20i386%20(20071016)_dists_gutsy_main_binary-i386_Packages)
[01:50] <FloodBot2> cowboy29: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:50] <unop_> yowshi, cool -- i need a smoke now -- the script is almost finished, i need to test it out and generate a baseline of my system for you
[01:50] <cowboy29> W: Duplicate sources.list entry cdrom://Ubuntu 7.10 _Gutsy Gibbon_ - Release i386 (20071016) gutsy/restricted Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/Ubuntu%207.10%20%5fGutsy%20Gibbon%5f%20-%20Release%20i386%20(20071016)_dists_gutsy_restricted_binary-i386_Packages)
[01:50] <capitalidea> ARGH FLOOD!  Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, Jack_Sparrow or nickrud!
[01:50] <icanhasadmin> lol@ "don't use enter as puncuation"
[01:50] <nicodarious> exegesis, that will be your install fille for when you reinstall.  also, when reinstalling, just don't format your /home partition and relabel it as home.  that way, all your stuff on /home is safe and sound.
[01:51] <pushpop> Can someone help me with this question http://pastebin.ca/949810
[01:51] <Pelo> pushpop,  jsut summerize the question in here
[01:51] <zezu> i'm trying to get audio working on a notebook, i tried modprobe snd-intel8x0 and get errors :|
[01:51] <zezu> anyone know what might be the issue, i'm reading a ton of forums atm
[01:51] <exegesis> nicodarious I'm confused.  If I do a fresh install my /home won't necessarily be deleted?
[01:51] <capitalidea> zezu, paste the errors to a pastebin like pushpop did
[01:51] <Fryguy--> exegesis: it will, which is why i said to make a backup of it
[01:52] <exegesis> nicodarious I'm doing a fresh install because I want to delete Vista from my cpu, but also don't want to loose my preferences
[01:52] <nicodarious> exegesis, if you tell the installer NOT to format /home, then it won't touch it.
[01:52] <Fryguy--> nicodarious: the installer isn't able to do that if it's on the same partition (which it is by default)
[01:52] <Pelo> nicodarious, that only works if /home is on a different partitosn then /
[01:52] <zezu> capitalidea: will do
[01:52] <bj0ng0> hmm, could anyone recommend a commandline cpu,ram or something benchmark..? :)
[01:52] <nicodarious> exegesis, ahhh... didn't know it was on the same partition.
[01:53] <icanhasadmin> top?
[01:53] <yowshi> i've never really understood how to save a /home partition
[01:53]  * capitalidea wishes belgian beer wouldn't skunk before it reaches Texas
[01:53] <Pelo> yowshi, just create a new partition,  copy your /home to it , and make a line in fstab that the new partitson mojunts to /home
[01:53] <zezu> All operation not permitted errors for modprobe :: http://rafb.net/p/WQf49P65.html
[01:54] <capitalidea> yowshi, you make several partitions, you make a mount point for one of them /home
[01:54] <dep> bj0ng0: try top
[01:54] <Old_Soldier> yowshi, http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/separatehome
[01:54] <Fryguy--> yowshi: tar cjf /tmp/Home.tar.bz2 /home
[01:54] <nicodarious> exegesis, then do this, copy everything from /home (primarily all your .hidden files, like firefox settings and all) onto a separate hard drive or partition.  then do a backup from synaptic of all your installed programs and save that somewhere safe, like where you put your /home stuff.  then you're all set to reinstall.
[01:54] <yowshi> yeah but i dont understand fstab editing
[01:54] <Old_Soldier> just copying will mess up your permissions
[01:54] <capitalidea> oic
[01:54] <Pelo> yowshi, you just ask here and we can give you a line to put in your fstab , we'll just have to ask you a couple of queisotns first
[01:55] <exegesis> nicodarious ok, thanks
[01:55] <cowboy29> i am getting a erro telling me it can not lock my adminstration direcotry
[01:55] <nicodarious> exegesis, then when you're reinstalled, have synaptic look for that file you saved and it will redownload and reinstall all your programs you had installed before.  move all the saved /home stuff back to your home and log in as your user.
[01:55] <Fryguy--> cowboy29: need to be root to install software
[01:55] <yowshi> heheh i mean i have a seperate /home partition but if i ever had to install fresh well i'm at a loss of how to save my data hehehehe
[01:55] <capitalidea> Anyone have any advice for troubleshooting an ntfs-3g problem? I can't mount a 500GB drive with one large NTFS volume, and I really really need to be able to
[01:55] <Pelo> gotta go , later folks
[01:55] <yowshi> cool Pelo
[01:55] <nicodarious> exegesis, lost connection?
[01:55] <Dr_willis> capitalidea,  mount it manually with sudo, look for error messages
[01:55] <bj0ng0> thanks ;D
[01:55] <clearzen> capitalidea: I assume you are trying to mount it in a terminal right
[01:55] <nicodarious> exegesis, did you get my last?
[01:56] <exegesis>  nicodarious actually my biggest concern I just realized is my music and documents.  How can I keep them on my cpu and not have to transfer them (there's a lot) to an external hd?
[01:56] <exegesis> nicodarious yeah, I did
[01:56] <capitalidea> clearzen: I was using nautilus actually. I'll try from the CLI though
[01:56] <cowboy29> i get that  message as root too
[01:56] <exegesis> nicodarious I can xfer the important stuff from /home and that won't take long, but the music will kill me
[01:56] <nicodarious> exegesis, if they are on your /home/exegesis/Documents/* folder, you HAVE to transfer them.
[01:56] <Fryguy--> cowboy29: then you have another window open that you are installing software in (your package manager is open or something)
[01:57] <nicodarious> exegesis, if you want to keept hem that is lol
[01:57] <zezu> i'm reading something about a bug w/ acpi, anyone know if this might be the case with my audio prob ?
[01:57] <Fryguy--> capitalidea: what is the filename of the device you are trying to mount?
[01:57] <exegesis> nicodarious oh, dang
[01:57] <nicodarious> exegesis, i'm afraid that the time will be the key here.  best thing to do is to COPY your /home/exegesis/* folder to a safe spot.
[01:58] <Fryguy--> zezu: probably not
[01:58]  * capitalidea is perplexed
[01:58] <nicodarious> exegesis, sorry there isn't any other way around it.  but when you reinstall do it this way:
[01:58] <clearzen> capitalidea: ?
[01:58] <capitalidea> There seems not to be any trouble doing it manually without any options.
[01:58] <captaingeek> anyone know how to delete a group?
[01:58] <nicodarious> exegesis set up a / partition, and then a /home partition.  this way you don't have to do this again
[01:58] <zezu> i'm hoping not too, i dont want to disable acpi or manually build a new kernel
[01:58] <cowboy29> more or less reboot and try again
[01:58] <Fryguy--> exegesis: why are you reinstalling?
[01:59]  * capitalidea looks suspiciously at nautilus
[01:59] <zezu> kernel isn't that bad, but more time than i'd like to spend atm
[01:59] <encryptz> captaingeek: man delgroup
[01:59] <Ouroborosity> i've hit a wall here
[01:59] <nicodarious> fryguy to get rid of Vista =-)
[01:59] <icanhasadmin> zezu: sorry i just steped in, are you getting ANY audio at all?
[01:59] <Fryguy--> ?
[01:59] <cahone> are there any movie or tv show websites you can watch on Ubuntu
[01:59] <capitalidea> captaingeek: be careful, some groups, many, are necessary
[01:59] <georgy_28> nicodarious, : groupdel
[01:59] <zezu> icanhasadmin: none
[01:59] <Ouroborosity> i've tried the livecd, alternate install, and even wubi
[01:59] <Ouroborosity> and ubuntu will not work
[01:59] <icanhasadmin> zezu: Toshiba laptop?
[01:59] <Fryguy--> nicodarious: how why not just get rid of vista then? there's no reason to reinstall ubuntu to get rid of vista
[01:59] <zezu> in sound settings autodetect and nothing else dont make a peep
[01:59] <exegesis> fryguy because I want to get Vista off
[01:59] <capitalidea> icanhasadmin: icanhascatmacros?
[01:59] <zezu> HP notebook, w/ ICH8
[01:59] <Fryguy--> err
[01:59] <Flannel> Ouroborosity: Have you verified the CDs? (Check for defects)
[01:59] <nicodarious> georgy_28  ???
[01:59] <Ouroborosity> yep
[01:59] <exegesis> nicodarious will it be obvious how to set up a / and a /home when I do a fresh install?
[01:59] <Ouroborosity> cd is perfect
[02:00] <Fryguy--> exegesis: there's no reason to reinstall ubuntu to get rid of vista.  just get rid of it...
[02:00] <Ouroborosity> even dl'd again and reburned
[02:00] <aetaric> is it safe to migrate from debian's etch to gutsy?
[02:00] <icanhasadmin> zezu: VERY unlikely it's an acpi error. you can pass a command to turn acpi off, then you'll know for sure. but very very unlikely. it's probably an alsa issue. I'm assuming you have alsa installed?
[02:00] <exegesis> fryguy how?  I've dl gparted and started messing around with that
[02:00] <Ouroborosity> it locks up in the middle of booting
[02:00] <exegesis> fryguy but I wasn't able to satisfactorily figure it out
[02:00] <Fryguy--> exegesis: well what do you mean "get rid of vista"
[02:00] <zezu> icanhasadmin: yes alsa is installed
[02:00] <zezu> icanhasadmin: i get an error w/ modprobe http://rafb.net/p/WQf49P65.html
[02:01] <nicodarious> exegesis, when you are reformattion, you can set two partitions up.  just make one (the first) as about 25 gigs (your / part), then your swap (about 1 to 2 gigs), then new partition for the rest.
[02:01] <Ouroborosity> for all the talk of ubuntu being the easiest to work with i'm getting fed up
[02:01] <cahone> Is there any entertainment websites that are compatible with Ubuntu...like itunes does not work with it?
[02:01] <exegesis> fryguy completely erase it from my hd
[02:01] <nicodarious> exegesis, after this, label the last one as /home
[02:01] <icanhasadmin> zezu: same output when you "sudo modprobe" ?
[02:01] <nicodarious> exegesis, when it asks to label them
[02:01] <exegesis> nicodarious what will the / partition do and be?
[02:01] <Fryguy--> exegesis: so then just remove the partition using gparted, and edit /boot/grub/menu.lst so it doesn't show up in your boot menu
[02:01] <captaingeek> how do i list users through the terminal?
[02:01] <nicodarious> exegesis, that is your / (root)
[02:01] <Fryguy--> captaingeek: cat /etc/passwd
[02:01] <exegesis> nicodarious ok
[02:01] <zezu> icanhasadmin: tbh I hadn't tried, used to being logged in as root in a LFS dist.
[02:02] <nicodarious> exegesis, that is where all your programs will be installed.
[02:02] <Ouroborosity> any suggestions on why even LiveCD won't boot?
[02:02] <capitalidea> Is there some way I can determine what trouble nautilus has in mounting this NTFS volume of mine? (Which otherwise mounts without issue from the CLI)
[02:02] <nicodarious> exegesis so make it about 20 to 25 gigs.  depending on how much you install.
[02:02] <aetaric> im now stuck between etch and gutsy
[02:02] <encryptz> Ouroborosity: bad cd?
[02:02] <Flannel> Ouroborosity: I'd be worried more on why the alternate CD doesn't boot.  Thats a safer bet.  Does it not boot, or not install completely?
[02:02] <Ouroborosity> nope
[02:02] <Ouroborosity> redl'd and burned it
[02:02] <exegesis> fryguy then how could I make a / partition and a /home partition by just deleting vista with gparted?  I want to do that b/c I hear it's beneficial
[02:02] <icanhasadmin> zezu: 100 percent positive you were logged in as root? doesn't seem that way in the pastebin, i could be wrong
[02:02] <Ouroborosity> repeatedly
[02:02] <byrd> When looking for themes for Ubuntu on gnome-look.org (Is there a better site?), what category do I look under, like GTK, Metacity, etc?
[02:02] <encryptz> Ouroborosity: check the checksum?
[02:02] <Ouroborosity> the CD is find
[02:02] <Fryguy--> exegesis: you can just create a partition to use for /home using gparted
[02:02] <exegesis> nicodarious ok, that helps
[02:02] <aoeuid> problem: computer no longer produces any sound, from any programs, even after restarts
[02:03] <Ouroborosity> i tried three times from three different sources
[02:03] <Fryguy--> and then mount it in /etc/fstab
[02:03] <encryptz> Ouroborosity: but did you check the md5 checksum on the iso?
[02:03] <capitalidea> Ouroborosity: boot options, have you explorex them?
[02:03] <aoeuid> anyone have any ideas?
[02:03] <nicodarious> exegesis, just label it as   /     .  linux knows that that is root
[02:03] <capitalidea> explored them*
[02:03] <exegesis> nicodarious ok
[02:03] <digital_freak_0_> aoeuid: what sound card do you have?
[02:03] <zezu> icanhasadmin: no i'm not i meant that i'm not used to sudo, i was using another distro prev. (LFS=you build it)
[02:03] <Fryguy--> nicodarious: there is no reason for him to reinstall ubuntu so the conversation is pointless
[02:03] <Ouroborosity> what boot options would you recommend to a nub?
[02:03] <aoeuid> no idea, but it was workinfg fine before
[02:03] <nicodarious> exegesis.  if you want i can give you an output of my own partitions so you can get an idea what i mean
[02:03] <aoeuid> for about half a year
[02:03] <zezu> icanhasadmin: anyhow it works just fine w sudo, no errors, no output at all
[02:03] <aetaric> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/dpkg_1.14.5ubuntu16_i386.deb (--unpack):
[02:03] <aetaric>  unsupported dependency problem - not installing dpkg
[02:03] <Fryguy--> I have my /home on another machine heh
[02:03] <Ouroborosity> because i've tried every different installation possibility out there
[02:04] <encryptz> Ouroborosity: you still haven't answered my question
[02:04] <exegesis> nicodarious I'm pretty sure I get it now, but thanks
[02:04] <nicodarious> fryguy, i understand this, but this cleans up his hard drive, just in case, and also helps him learn the ins and outs of Linux a little bit.
[02:04] <digital_freak_0_> if you look at your volume control do you see a tab called switchs
[02:04] <icanhasadmin> zezu: Ok.. and still no sound i'm guessing? All the normal stuff checked? Nothing muted? physical sound control on computer if there is one? alsamixer checked?
[02:04] <Ouroborosity> yes, the CD is fine
[02:04] <Ouroborosity> i checked it
[02:04] <aoeuid> alsamixer checked?
[02:04] <encryptz> Ouroborosity: that's not my question, if the cd is fine. my question is verifying the md5 chekcsum against the iso
[02:04] <Ouroborosity> but even without the CD
[02:04] <Fryguy--> nicodarious: it's a waste of time.  Manually remounting /home to a new partition on an already running system is going to teach him far more about how linux works, in a shorter amount of time, with less work and hassle involved
[02:04] <Ouroborosity> Wubi should have worked
[02:04] <Ouroborosity> or the alternate installer
[02:05] <Flannel> Ouroborosity: does the alternate CD stall during boot? or during install?
[02:05] <Ouroborosity> during boot
[02:05] <digital_freak_0_> is there an analog/digital switch?
[02:05] <nicodarious> fryguy, i know when i got rid of windows, i didn't like how the partitions were set up and separated, and the easiest way for me to move them around without having in depth knowledge is to back-up and reinstall.
[02:05] <zezu> icanhasadmin: yes everything checked there, my keyboard icon says i'm muted, but its not in software, alsa etc
[02:05] <capitalidea> noacpi stuff I would guess, Ouroborosity
[02:05] <Seven_Six_Two> for some reason, I can't use the ubuntu 7.1 cd that I burned. It has been checked. It's on an mdg machine and gives me an i/o error on my floppy. I turned it off in bios, but now the cd just goes to busybox
[02:05] <capitalidea> something similar
[02:05] <encryptz> Ouroborosity: i'll take that as a no. that should be the first think you do before burinng the disc
[02:05] <capitalidea> i don't know, just use bluunt for trauma and try them all
[02:05] <cahone> I may be wrong but so far Linux makes a great web server but it does not seem to work well with almost everything
[02:05] <Ouroborosity> i've about come to blunt force trauma yeah
[02:06] <icanhasadmin> zezu: That's an acpi thing, ignore that. can you pastepin your .. uh,, hold on. /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base ?
[02:06] <Ouroborosity> three different approaches, all fails
[02:06] <Ouroborosity> must be my computer itself
[02:06] <Fryguy--> cahone: it's just you.  And it makes an OK server, but there are better solutions for that as well.
[02:06] <yowshi> encryptz, doesnt the ubuntu install cd have a checkdisk in the boot menu?
[02:06] <Seven_Six_Two> I tried modifying the boot options (erasing quiet and adding irqpoll) but then I get lots of text with no errors and it still goes right to busybox
[02:06] <clearzen> Fryguy--: ok server?
[02:06] <Fryguy--> cahone: it's just you being inexperienced with a new operating system
[02:06] <Fryguy--> clearzen: yes
[02:07] <Flannel> Ouroborosity: It fails during boot, but boots the integrity check fine?
[02:07] <encryptz> yowshi: yes. but, before even risking buring a bad disc, you should always check the checksum. it'll save you discs
[02:07] <Ouroborosity> yes
[02:07] <yowshi> true
[02:07] <Ouroborosity> that's what's so wierd
[02:07] <nicodarious> fryguy, i understand that, but for now, i want to make sure that he can od a basic setup of a partition table before he learns the in-depth part like that...  i know that it's not necessary, but when i was first starting out (back in red hat 6.0), it took forever to learn how to manipulate partitions...
[02:07] <cahone> I guess cause I cant use it with itunes or cinemaNow or lots of websites
[02:07] <Fryguy--> nicodarious: you probably didn't have a good teacher then, it's pretty basic and simple
[02:07] <cahone> Is there a good Movie rental website for Ubuntu?
[02:08] <Fryguy--> cahone: works fine with all of those (I happen to know that for a fact because we are developing a competitor to those products at work)
[02:08] <encryptz> cahone: eh?
[02:08] <Seven_Six_Two> are there any other options that I should try?
[02:08] <nicodarious> fryguy, you're right.  I had NO teacher... as i do not have now.  everything I have learned, I have learned for bbs's and webpages, and books that i found.
[02:08] <Ouroborosity> can anyone recommend a different livecd distro so i can even see if any linux works for me?
[02:08] <phaedral> I got this MacBook Pro as a gift, but really miss my linux; thinking about Ubuntu 'cause the guy at boingboing.net speaks highly of the combo; suggestions?
[02:08] <nicodarious> fryguy, and a lot of it is still over my head, heh.
[02:08] <zezu> icanhasadmin: http://pastebin.com/d3166bd1c
[02:08] <cahone> Fryguy--, So your saying there is an iTunes install for Ubuntu?
[02:08] <Ouroborosity> i may have just committed heresy or soemthing
[02:09] <yowshi> Ouroborosity, LOL i doubt it
[02:09] <Fryguy--> cahone: yes, itunes runs in linux just fine
[02:09] <marky> can somebody help and tell me why Xorg sigsegv's when i enable twinview in nvidia-settings?
[02:09] <Fryguy--> cahone: if you insist on using it you can
[02:09] <icanhasadmin> zezu: is that the whole file? it seems to be seriously cut off
[02:09] <capitalidea> We're breaking a hole in the ice just for you at this very moment Ouroborosity
[02:09] <Ouroborosity> haha
[02:10] <epitron> is there a way to grant a user Administrator privileges from the commandline?
[02:10] <capitalidea> If you float, we'll know for sure you're a witch at which point we will burn you alive for root's sake
[02:10] <yowshi> capitalidea, a nhole in the ice?
[02:10] <epitron> (i installed ubuntu from debootstrap)
[02:10] <yowshi> LOL
[02:10] <Fryguy--> Ouroborosity: i've run linux on a 386 with no hard drive.  i'm PRETTY SURE linux is going to run for you
[02:10] <Flannel> epitron: sudo usermod -G admin -a [username]
[02:10] <epitron> Flannel: oh, that's all it is? nice. :)
[02:10] <Ouroborosity> fryguy: well that's what i thought too
[02:10] <cahone> Fryguy--, well i got shows like Star Trek Voyager I have bought though iTunes and would like to watch them still
[02:10] <Ouroborosity> but this pos is proving me wrong
[02:10] <capitalidea> h/o
[02:10] <Flannel> epitron: Yeah, you just have to add them to the admin group
[02:10] <yowshi> Fryguy--, why would you run a computer with no hdd?
[02:10] <phaedral> found the how to at the wiki
[02:10] <epitron> Flannel: how do the gnome menus know to show you the admin features? is that hardcoded?
[02:11] <phaedral> :)
[02:11] <encryptz> Flannel: me prefers gpasswd
[02:11] <marky> anybody?
[02:11] <Fryguy--> yowshi: computers didn't always have hard drives...
[02:11] <encryptz> gpasswd -a <user> <group>
[02:11] <zezu> icanhasadmin: http://pastebin.com/d6769919 sorry try this
[02:11] <Flannel> epitron: I'm not really sure
[02:11] <yowshi> Fryguy--, i have never seen a 386 with no hdd
[02:11] <Kuroachia> What is the ubuntu equivalent to something such as netstumbler?
[02:11] <Fryguy--> yowshi: had one laying around, wanted to see if I could do it
[02:11] <epitron> Flannel: ok.. thanks :)
[02:11] <encryptz> that way, you can't forget the -a with usermod -G, and screw up all your groups
[02:11] <phaedral> Ouroborosity: you might ask in ##linux where it's not OT; and $.02, knoppix has always worked live for me
[02:11] <epitron> encryptz: gpasswd does the same thing?
[02:11] <Ouroborosity> knoppix, ok
[02:11] <encryptz> epitron: yes
[02:12] <Ouroborosity> off to ##linux
[02:12] <epitron> encryptz: sweet
[02:12] <Fryguy--> Kuroachia: aircrack or kismet probably.  The *nix toolset for network sniffing is MUCH more diverse than it is on windows
[02:12] <Flannel> encryptz: adduser would also be appropriate
[02:12] <Fryguy--> Kuroachia: this isn't an appropriate channel for that though
[02:12] <capitalidea> Ouroborosity: there are boot time options
[02:12] <encryptz> epitron: gpasswd -M larry,moe,curly stooges
[02:12] <encryptz> for example, adding larry moe and curly to the stooges group
[02:12] <Kuroachia> fryguy: I don't want network sniffing or cracking or anything of the sort, simply something that will update me on the local networks
[02:13] <icanhasadmin> zezu: add "options snd-hda-intel model=auto" to the last line, save it, and reboot entirely.
[02:13] <capitalidea> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions
[02:13] <Fryguy--> Kuroachia: network-manager does that already
[02:13] <Fryguy--> (the network icon in your gnome-panel)
[02:13] <zezu> icanhasadmin: will do, thanks
[02:13] <Kuroachia> fryguy: I have an issue with network-manager though, it has such a slow refresh time
[02:13] <Kuroachia> fryguy: unless there is a way to reconfigure this?
[02:13] <rrowell> I've got a buddy who is trying to install a video card... Total linux newb he is and of course X won't start because it needs a different driver then what it needed when he installed.  X works if he boots from the live CD though so I was curious if there was some dpkg-reconfigure or something that will auto-detect his screen stuff without much (any) input from him...
[02:14] <capitalidea> Ouroborosity: do you have an NVIDIA card?
[02:14] <Fryguy--> Kuroachia: so then start using some of the other tools that I mentioned and doing more research into the matter.   :P
[02:14] <Fryguy--> encryptz: my terminal doesn't do unicode..
[02:14] <cahone> Fryguy--, So how do you install iTunes?  All i see are windows and mac downloads?
[02:15] <yowshi> i just call it the dpkg thing
[02:15] <encryptz> icanhasadmin: you know your katakana, eh?
[02:15] <Kuroachia> fryguy: ok thanks, the reason I ask is because whenever I move somewhere (think like from home to school) I have to restart the manager completely in order to view the current networks. Is this normal?
[02:15] <exegesis> How do I format an external hdd?
[02:15] <Fryguy--> cahone: windows applications typically run in linux just fine via wine.  if you have further needs than that, you can run a virtualized instance of windows using virtualbox
[02:15] <icanhasadmin> encryptz: boku no nihongo ga warui da :(
[02:15] <Fryguy--> Kuroachia: no idea, i never use wireless on my machines
[02:15] <capitalidea> Ouroborosity: try it with nosplash
[02:15] <cahone> Fryguy--,  hmm interesting
[02:15] <Kuroachia> fryguy: okie dokie thanks though :)
[02:16] <robby_kane> itunes sucks... sorry to say it... but i was wondering if i have 2 partions of ubuntu how can i acces the files on 1 partion
[02:16] <Ouroborosity> sorry, help a newbie out, nosplash?
[02:16] <Fryguy--> robby_kane: just mount the other partition
[02:16] <capitalidea> read the boot options page and use the option "nosplash" per the instructions there
[02:16] <Fryguy--> Ouroborosity: a newbie, who runs LFS?  lol
[02:16] <patrick_> is it possible to play video games (diablo, wow etc) on ubuntu using wine? or some other method?
[02:16] <robby_kane> Fryguy: how?
[02:16] <yowshi> Fryguy--, whats lfs?
[02:16] <Fryguy--> robby_kane: using the 'mount' command
[02:17] <robby_kane> how do i chak what its listed as to mount it
[02:17] <encryptz> icesword: unfortunately, i don't know japanese. i know my unicode though. ツ
[02:17] <robby_kane> check*
[02:17] <rrowell> encryptz, Fryguy-- nicodarious : dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is asking a million questions, any way to make it a bit less verbose?
[02:17] <Fryguy--> yowshi: 'linux from scratch' a project that involves building an entire linux system from scratch by manually compiling everything from source
[02:17] <yowshi> oh wait linux from scratch
[02:17] <Ouroborosity> ahh
[02:17] <encryptz> meh. bad tab complete. and he left
[02:17] <Fryguy--> robby_kane: well what drive on your system is it on
[02:17] <icesword> encryptz, pardon??????
[02:17] <Fryguy--> rrowell: no
[02:17] <robby_kane> i only have 1 hard drive
[02:17] <robby_kane> it has 2 partions
[02:17] <Fryguy--> rrowell: try -phigh, like i suggested
[02:17] <rrowell> ah
[02:18] <encryptz> icesword: sorry. meant for someone who left, so your nick got the tab complete
[02:18] <clearzen> rrowell: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[02:18] <icesword> hmm
[02:18] <Fryguy--> robby_kane: so mkdir /mnt/tmp; mount /dev/sdXN /mnt/tmp  where X is the drive and N is the partition number
[02:18] <robby_kane> im going to reinstall ubuntu but want to store a file for later use
[02:19] <nikrud> yowshi: how's your sudo issue? any resolution? (for my notes)
[02:19] <robby_kane> how do i check witch partion is witch
[02:19] <yowshi> unop_, is writing up a script
[02:19] <robby_kane> is there a comand to check?
[02:19] <encryptz> robby_kane: sudo fdisk -l
[02:19] <nicodarious> rrowell dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[02:19] <encryptz> robby_kane: will list your disks and partitions
[02:19] <Fryguy--> robby_kane: mount them and look. or use a tool like fdisk to get more information, or use df to see what is currently mounted and make inferences from that
[02:19] <odla> what is the notifier that tells me i need to update my packages in gnome called?
[02:19] <patrick_> how do you add backgrounds so when you zoom out of the cube desktop you see like the sky in the back instead of just the grey area
[02:19] <nikrud> yowshi: ah, reset all permissions?
[02:19] <clearzen> odla: update-manager
[02:19] <rrowell> Fryguy--, Thanks, perfect
[02:20] <nicodarious> rrowell it'll ask a little less questions with the -phigh options.
[02:20] <yowshi> nikrud it is generally thought now that my problem lies in some general file system problems i caused sop he is writing up a script to find which files are fucked up
[02:20] <Fryguy--> patrick_: #compiz-fusion
[02:20] <rrowell> nicodarious, Only asks one about screen resolution for me
[02:20] <rrowell> perfect
[02:20] <patrick_> fryguy no one in there seems to respond at all
[02:20] <yowshi> man i cause the wierdest and most insane problems i tell ya
[02:20] <nikrud> yowshi: thanks. And, don't forget this is supposed to be a family friendly, G rated channel :)
[02:20] <Fryguy--> patrick_: that's unfortunate.
[02:20] <patrick_> haha
[02:20] <yowshi> sorry
[02:20] <nicodarious> rrowell you need to pick your video driver though?
[02:20] <robby_kane> what is a linux swap?
[02:21] <robby_kane> it was listed in my dives
[02:21] <patrick_> #compiz-fusion
[02:21] <Fryguy--> robby_kane: a partition for swap space (virtual memory that's stored on the hard drive)
[02:21] <patrick_> oops haha
[02:21] <yowshi> i once erased my entire grub by accident while trying to add my gentoo installation into the boot list
[02:21] <nicodarious> rrowell you could do this too:  vim into /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change the video driver manually to vesa
[02:21] <robby_kane> ok i see
[02:21] <capitalidea> ...
[02:21] <capitalidea> o.0
[02:22] <icanhasadmin> yay i'm back
[02:22] <nicodarious> rrowell that way you can bypass the questions, but still get a base video till you can get your drivers for nvidia installed.
[02:23] <nikrud> yowshi: as they say, with great power comes 'Oh crap I messed it up again'
[02:23] <DareDevyl> i have no idea to change its default runlevel to 1,ubuntu has no /etc/inittab
[02:23] <user18> che_BT
[02:23] <DareDevyl> ?
[02:23] <yowshi> LOL yep nikrud that about sums it up
[02:23] <Flannel> DareDevyl: /etc/event.d/
[02:23] <aetaric> is udev required by gutsy?
[02:23] <clearzen> DareDevyl: sudo telinit 1
[02:23] <nikrud> DareDevyl: why would you want a default of 1, anyway?
[02:23] <yowshi> they should hand over all future devs of ubuntu to me for 1 month to se ehow idiot proof they are
[02:24] <aetaric> but is it a req.
[02:24] <aetaric> can i remove it?
[02:24] <yowshi> like every month i gotta go to into failsafe mode to fix something i screwed up
[02:24] <Fryguy--> aetaric: why do you want to play with things that make up the fundamentals of ubuntu as a distribution?
[02:24] <zezu> icanhasadmin: that didn't help :|
[02:25] <icanhasadmin> zezu: still nothing? you checked alsamixer?
[02:25] <DareDevyl> Flannel clearzen thanks , nikrud  my X is crashed
[02:25] <Crane> help. somehow a directory disappeared. I have no clue how, my best guess someone did rm. is it possible to recover it or lost forever?
[02:25] <aetaric> im trying to swich from debian's etch to gutsy.....its breaking (like i would expect.)
[02:26] <zezu> icanhasadmin: yes, its looks ok to me, master and pcm are up high and not muted
[02:26] <Fryguy--> Crane: it's possible to recover, but generally pretty hard.. outside of the scope of this channel
[02:26] <nikrud> DareDevyl: ah, hit escape when you see something about grub starting, then select recovery mode. Drops you into runlevel 1
[02:26] <aetaric> i didn't want to build it from the ground up again
[02:26] <icanhasadmin> zezu: That's extremely odd, to be honest with you. Sorry, it's out of my realm of expertise now :-/ see if you can asd crimsun when he is around
[02:26] <robby_kane> ok how do i unmount using the comand line
[02:26] <Fryguy--> aetaric: debian and ubuntu are different operating systems, you can't switch from one to another..
[02:26] <Fryguy--> robby_kane: use 'umount'
[02:26] <icanhasadmin> zezu: er, i mean "ask" crimsun lol
[02:27] <zezu> icanhasadmin: thanks
[02:27] <Crane> it's not unrecoverable (someone has a copy but is not around for another 3 days) so I thought more of a undelete option
[02:27] <yowshi> rpbby umount mount point no?
[02:27] <icanhasadmin> zezu: sorry :(
[02:27] <aetaric> i was hoping you weren't going to say that..oh well.....destroy and recreate