[10:18] <cartman> nakee check gcc 2004 conference notes
[10:18] <cartman> there are benchmarks
[10:19] <CaPS_> cartman is already going to get into trouble for joining this channel if it leaks out into the kde world.. ;-)
[10:19] <cartman> CaPS_: well there is mention of Kubuntu :)
[10:19] <abelli> cartman: that would be the first defacement of my life :)
[10:20] <cartman> I don't care actually. I compile my own KDE
[10:20] <mlambie> can anyone tell me how I can force a USB disk to remount?
[10:20] <CaPS_> cartman, the ubuntu people are talking with kde devs about inclusion according to one of the URLs in the topic :)
[10:20] <mlambie> it's connected to my docking station, and I pulled the laptop out before unmounting it.
[10:20] <mlambie> lsof /external shows no open files :(
[10:22] <nakeee> man! you won't believe how many gcc 2004 conferences happened this year!:)
[10:23] <CaPS_> what's a gui tool for managing users in gnome?
[10:27] <abelli> CaPS_: system settings -> users n groups ?!
[10:28] <nakeee> cartman: any idea where those benchmarks are?I can't seem to locate them
[10:28] <CaPS_> abelli, eep, sorry.. getting used to the system mate :)
[10:29] <abelli> nakeee: it's kde secret-stuff...
[10:29] <abelli> nakeee: it's kind of ritual sacrifices and offerings..
[10:33] <nakeee> I guess.. if google can't find it..
[10:34] <glob> azz..how long is the test of MemTest86 _
[10:35] <crimsun> glob: depending on the speed of your memory and how much you have, it can take a _very_ long time
[10:35] <glob> crimsun 126MB sdram .. on a PIII 500
[10:35] <glob> sorry 128
[10:35] <abelli> glob: use ion
[10:35] <crimsun> perhaps an hour or two
[10:35] <glob> ion?
[10:36] <abelli> windows manager..
[10:36] <kalis> Helo! I am having a problem with alsa sound in ubuntu hoary. I got two of all sound devices, etc audio, audio1, mixer, mixer1. And it seems that audio1 is the one that works. Any idea of how to get rid of the double devices_
[10:36] <kalis> ?
[10:36] <abelli> it's just a bit of advertisement
[10:36] <broodster> hey
[10:36] <jmob> glob: don't use ion, it's too much of pita
[10:36] <broodster> why wont my firefox load?
[10:36] <jmob> glob: I'd suggest openbox3 if you're on a resource tight system
[10:37] <crimsun> or even blackbox
[10:37] <jmob> broodster: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[10:37] <crimsun> kalis: paste the output of `cat /proc/asound/cards' to pastebin.com
[10:37] <broodster> jmob
[10:37] <broodster> my firefox isnt work
[10:37] <broodster> working
[10:37] <broodster> so how the hell
[10:37] <broodster> can i see it?
[10:37] <CaPS_> telnet >:P
[10:38] <jmob> broodster: lynx
[10:38] <crimsun> broodster: execute `mozilla-firefox' from a terminal
[10:38] <kalis> crimsun, http://pastebin.com/134736
[10:38] <jmob> broodster: apt-get install lynx
[10:38] <kalis> crimsun, the weird thing is that there only is ONE card in the darn computer, the Live card.
[10:38] <broodster> broodster@broodster:~ $ mozilla-firefox
[10:38] <broodster> Error: No running window found
[10:38] <broodster> auto selected locale: en-US
[10:38] <broodster> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/x86_64/dl-machine.h: 532: elf_machine_rela_relative: Assertion `((reloc->r_info) & 0xffffffff) == 8' failed!
[10:38] <abelli> jmob: why not ion?
[10:39] <crimsun> broodster: did you install unofficial packages from somewhere?
[10:39] <crimsun> broodster: (and I presume you're running amd64?)
[10:39] <broodster> yeah
[10:39] <crimsun> kalis: not according to ALSA you don't
[10:39] <crimsun> kalis: you have onboard sound enabled in bios, too
[10:40] <broodster> broodster@broodster:~ $ sudo apt-get install lynx
[10:40] <broodster> Password:
[10:40] <broodster> Reading Package Lists... Done
[10:40] <broodster> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[10:40] <broodster> Package lynx is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[10:40] <broodster> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[10:40] <broodster> is only available from another source
[10:40] <broodster> E: Package lynx has no installation candidate
[10:40] <jmob> abelli: b/c it's a non-traditional wm that doesn't take enough countermeasures to the fact that most applications assume you have a traditional wm
[10:40] <kalis> crimsun, ALSA tells me there is, but there is no onboard soundcard on my motherboard ;)
[10:40] <jmob> abelli: e.g. I had to work to hard to get things to work correctly
[10:40] <crimsun> kalis: one of you is lying
[10:40] <kalis> crimsun, how do i tell alsa to ignore the "onboard" card?
[10:40] <crimsun> kalis: any my money is that the hardware ain't lying
[10:41] <broodster> well im gonna reboot
[10:41] <broodster> see if that fixes anything
[10:41] <crimsun> kalis: reboot and disable the onboard sound
[10:41] <jmob> Unpacking lynx (from .../lynx_2.8.5-1ubuntu1_i386.deb) ...
[10:41] <jmob> Setting up lynx (2.8.5-1ubuntu1) ...
[10:41] <cartman> nakee one minute
[10:41] <crimsun> I bet broodster is attempting to run 32-bit moz-firefox in a "pure 64" env
[10:41] <glob> but...after this test of MemTest86..if it'll find some things that are wrong ... it can adjust it ? (maybe i'm asking too much from this tool ^^ )
[10:41] <kalis> mmkay! I'll try that, i hoped i would'nt have to reboot though.
[10:42] <jmob> crimsun: does ubuntu have a 64 bit port?
[10:42] <cartman> nakee get http://www.gccsummit.org/2004/2004-GCC-Summit-Proceedings.pdf and search for iostream
[10:42] <crimsun> jmob: yep, it's part of the default amd64 warty install
[10:42] <abelli> jmob: amd64
[10:42] <cartman> nakee you can query me if you can't find details
[10:42] <nakeee> cartman: thanks
[10:42] <cartman> thanks for help
[10:42] <cartman> see ya guys
[10:43] <abelli> cartman: ciao
[10:43] <jmob> nice, any opinions on whether is wokrs better than debians amd64 port?
[10:43] <broodster> ah
[10:43] <broodster> that solved it
[10:43] <broodster> =D
[10:43] <crimsun> that's good.
[10:43] <crimsun> jmob: it's more streamlined in terms of install
[10:44] <crimsun> jmob: I can't speak from experience (daily use)
[10:44] <jmob> crimsun: I had debian's port working well
[10:44] <jmob> crimsun: until I blew it away with some stupid commands :)
[10:45] <jmob> I think I ran something along the lines of COLUMNS=100 apt-get install --reinstall `dpkg -l | awk '{print $2}'`
[10:49] <crimsun> hehe
[10:49] <kalis> crimsun, that worked like a charm! My motherboard must have som false audio chip mounted to it, because there is no other audio-output then on my SB Live card... Really annoying!
[10:49] <crimsun> kalis: oh, it's definitely a real audio chip
[10:50] <kalis> Hmmm! Does your evolution-2 crash at startup in hoary? Mine does! Weird! I'll have to compile it myself then...
[10:50] <crimsun> yes, it's a known issue.
[10:51] <crimsun> "the perils of using hoary"
[10:51] <cartman> is there a hoary iso somewhere?
[10:52] <cartman> or I need to apt-get dist-upgrade from warty?
[10:52] <nakeee>  apt-get dist-upgrade from warty
[10:52] <cartman> ok
[10:53] <crimsun> there are snapshots of hoary
[10:53] <abelli> cartman.. cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/releases/hoary/array-2/
[10:54] <cartman> abelli: are they daily snapshots or?
[10:55] <abelli> no.. you should NOT use the daily because i think they're broken..
[10:55] <rocky_> I'm outta here dudes
[10:55] <abelli> rocky_: ciao
[10:56] <cartman> abelli: then I will do apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:56] <morgs> Yo, I've got a hoary problem... Dist-upgrade from warty went smoothly yesterday and everything still worked. I stopped and started gdm to get x.org running... but today when I booted up and logged in, no gnome panels - nothing. Not even my wallpaper. Fail-safe Gnome session does not help.
[10:56] <cartman> so apt-listbugs can warn me
[11:01] <sap> how do you start a gtk app owned by root? I just tried to suid firestarter but can't start it as a normal user. After reading the suid bit of gtk.org I understand why, but how do people here get around this?
[11:02] <treed> gksu I think
[11:02] <treed> or sudo, I guess
[11:02] <abelli> gksudo.. better
[11:03] <sap> ok, I'll take a look - thanks
[11:04] <loogaroo> hi
[11:04] <El_Che> lo; any idea if the source of linux-restricted-modules is available to compile wpa_supplicant?
[11:07] <loogaroo> Does someone knowm, how the man-page from "dep-pkg" is called?
[11:07] <loogaroo> I have no X to google for it
[11:08] <abelli> loogaroo: use links
[11:08] <abelli> El_Che: nice nick but i can't help sorry ;)
[11:08] <El_Che> abelli: just trying not to compile new kernel from scratch :)
[11:09] <cartman> btw can I bug anyone why my ubuntu cds still didn't arrive?
[11:09] <cartman> I signed up long ago
[11:09] <loogaroo> cartman: where do you live?
[11:09] <cartman> loogaroo: Turkey
[11:10] <loogaroo> and when did you order?
[11:10] <cartman> when it showed up on /.
[11:10] <abelli> cartman: mako
[11:11] <cartman> abelli: thanks
[11:11] <cartman> at least I want to know if they will arrive :-)
[11:11] <loogaroo> my cds arrived :)
[11:12] <loogaroo> I think you will get it soon
[11:12] <cartman> loogaroo: I will burn warty to cd in 6 hours but at least I could give cd to friends
[11:13] <CaPS_> I got mine last friday
[11:15] <loogaroo> abelli: links is unhandy
[11:16] <wezzer-> what what, have ubuntu cd's shipped?
[11:16] <abelli> loogaroo: well i was just suggesting ;)
[11:17] <loogaroo> abelli: thx :)
[11:18] <abelli> loogaroo: i think that when you need something it immediatly becomes handy ;)
[11:18] <abelli>
[11:18] <loogaroo> wezzer-: yes and they look good
[11:19] <wezzer-> wow, I wonder when do I get mine
[11:19] <liquidboy> um, i need some help with mplayer. i (think) i need it to play asx / asf files (like on www.mp3.com.au/thedry) but i installed via synaptic, and i 'open with' mplayer, but nothing happens... *help*
[11:19] <wezzer-> was there a website, where I could check my order's status?
[11:20] <liquidboy> and when i try to open it from the "apps" menu, it does nothign too
[11:21] <liquidboy> is mplayer generally buggey? (i think i remember reading it somewhere in the forums) if so, is htere a better way to play asx/asf files?
[11:22] <loogaroo> liquidboy: did you check if a process is created if you "click" on mplayer?
[11:22] <loogaroo> mplayer is the greatest player an the world
[11:22] <liquidboy> how do i do that? is it type "top" in a terminal?
[11:22] <liquidboy> oh right
[11:23] <liquidboy> incase it matters, it's called "gmplayer"
[11:23] <liquidboy> i installed "mplayer custom"
[11:23] <liquidboy> cos the other ones had dependancies that couldnt be resolved through synaptic
[11:23] <sap> I want to run a root owned program without having to provide the root password each time. Do I create a group that has executable permissions and add myself to it, or edit /etc/sudoers?
[11:23] <loogaroo> liquidboy: see you a (g)mplayer process with top?
[11:24] <liquidboy> it's hard to see they're always chaning around, but i dont think so
[11:24] <liquidboy> nope i definitely dont
[11:24] <loogaroo> loogaroo: try to start mplayer from command line with "mplayer <file>.<ext>
[11:25] <loogaroo> liquidboy: use "ps aux | grep mplayer" for process listening
[11:26] <crimsun> sap: "root owned?"
[11:26] <liquidboy> *woosh* what's tat loogaroo?
[11:27] <sap> crimsun: -rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root<PHONE_NUMBER>-08-13 19:08 /usr/sbin/firestarter
[11:27] <loogaroo> liquidboy: ?
[11:27] <liquidboy> you said "use "ps aux | grep mplayer" for process listening, what is process listening, and how do i use it? (im a noob :P)
[11:27] <crimsun> sap: doesn't firestarter provide an initscript?
[11:28] <sap> crimsun: it would be nice if it did, this is what I'm trying to do ... get it started at boot/login
[11:29] <loogaroo> oh, I created "process listening" for my own with my poor english, I mean "to list the mplayer processes"
[11:29] <liquidboy> oh right
[11:29] <crimsun> sap: um, it does.
[11:29] <liquidboy> so i put that into a terminal?
[11:30] <crimsun> sap: /etc/init.d/firestarter
[11:30] <loogaroo> liquidboy: yes
[11:30] <liquidboy> i get this: 15279  0.0  0.2  1820  560 pts/0    R+   23:30   0:00 grep mplaye
[11:30] <liquidboy>  15288  0.0  0.2  1820  560 pts/0    R+   23:30   0:00 grep mplayer
[11:30] <liquidboy> there thats the proper one
[11:30] <sap> crimsum: hmm, not noticed that, thanks
[11:30] <loogaroo> liquidboy: ok, this means that there is no mplayer process
[11:31] <ls-a> hi guys
[11:31] <liquidboy> oh right
[11:31] <ls-a> need soem advice on a squid
[11:31] <liquidboy> well, i installed it...
[11:31] <loogaroo> liquidboy: this is only the grep process
[11:31] <liquidboy> what's grep?
[11:32] <loogaroo> liquidboy: you used it "ps aux | >>GREP<< mplayer"
[11:32] <loogaroo> liquidboy: start mplayer from the terminal
[11:32] <liquidboy> k
[11:32] <Guerin> hey guys, speedy question: is gnu nano ubuntu's base editor?
[11:33] <liquidboy> i typed in "mplayer" and this is what i got...
[11:33] <liquidboy> MPlayer 1.0pre5-3.3.4 (C) 2000-2004 MPlayer Team
[11:33] <liquidboy> CPU: Advanced Micro Devices Duron MG Morgan 1314 MHz (Family: 6, Stepping: 1)
[11:33] <liquidboy> Detected cache-line size is 64 bytes
[11:33] <liquidboy> 3DNow supported but disabled
[11:33] <liquidboy> 3DNowExt supported but disabled
[11:33] <liquidboy> CPUflags:  MMX: 1 MMX2: 1 3DNow: 0 3DNow2: 0 SSE: 1 SSE2: 0
[11:33] <liquidboy> Compiled for x86 CPU with extensions: MMX MMX2 SSE SSE2
[11:33] <liquidboy> Reading config file /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
[11:33] <loogaroo> liquidboy: no
[11:33] <liquidboy> Illegal instruction
[11:33] <liquidboy> oops, sorry guyes
[11:33] <liquidboy> wasnt thinking.. shouldnt have pasted that... *blush*
[11:34] <ls-a> how do i make a squid to start by itself when by any reason dropping down?
[11:34] <loogaroo> liquidboy: type "mplayer <filename>.asf" in your terminal, I am sure mplayer will tell you the problem
[11:35] <liquidboy> k
[11:36] <broodster> how do i see my version of mysql?
[11:36] <liquidboy> loogaroo, i typed in this: mplayer /home/matthew/PlayASX.ASP and it gave me the same feedback it did when i typed "mplayer" ina terminal
[11:37] <liquidboy> and it does the same thing when i goto the folder first...
[11:38] <crimsun> broodster: `mysql -V' or `mysql --version'
[11:38] <loogaroo> liquidboy: .asp?
[11:39] <loogaroo> liquidboy: is .asp a media file? I think its a web dokument
[11:39] <flodin> is there a way to tell what frequency powernowd has currently set the cpu to?
[11:39] <flodin> after installing ubuntu it seems my battery power is consumed much faster
[11:39] <broodster> ty
[11:39] <crimsun> liquidboy: dpkg -l 'mplayer*'|grep ^ii
[11:39] <liquidboy> asp = a streaming file
[11:39] <liquidboy> for streaming an mp3
[11:40] <liquidboy> i dunno
[11:40] <Agrajag> no, asp is active server page
[11:40] <liquidboy> yeah
[11:40] <Agrajag> something used in IIS I think
[11:40] <loogaroo> pahh
[11:40] <liquidboy> crimsun: i type that in a terminal, what does it do?
[11:41] <crimsun> liquidboy: displays what mplayer package you have installed and version
[11:41] <loogaroo> I did not know that you can stream mp3 with asp
[11:42] <loogaroo> it could be that streaming from asp is a problem for mplayer
[11:42] <liquidboy> yeah
[11:42] <Agrajag> I doubt it, I got the illegal instruction thing too
[11:42] <Agrajag> not even when opening a file
[11:42] <Agrajag> just running mplayer
[11:42] <Agrajag> I never tried to fix it because I prefer xine
[11:42] <liquidboy> crimusn: ii  mplayer-custom 1.0-pre5-0.6ub The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux
[11:43] <crimsun> liquidboy: you're not supposed to use that package on ubuntu
[11:43] <crimsun> liquidboy: as noted on the RestrictedFormats wiki page
[11:43] <crimsun> liquidboy: instead use the `mplayer-586' package
[11:44] <liquidboy> ok
[11:45] <liquidboy> i tried installing the 586 version but i get "could not mark all packages of installation..."
[11:45] <liquidboy> it says somehting about unresolvable dependencies...
[11:47] <cartman> anyone tried to sid->hoary ?
[11:47] <crimsun> cartman: sid->hoary doesn't work too well. You're better off running sid _with_ hoary or vice versa, but one of them needs to be pinned.
[11:48] <crimsun> liquidboy: are you installing from marillat or ubuntu's multiverse?
[11:48] <cartman> crimsun: I checked wiki and it says only gnome is problematic
[11:48] <crimsun> liquidboy: marillat's packages were updated recently and are no longer installable on warty
[11:48] <cartman> which I don't care :/
[11:48] <liquidboy> oih right
[11:49] <crimsun> cartman: I presume you only have hoary lines now?
[11:49] <crimsun> cartman: it's doable if not a bit crufty
[11:49] <cartman> crimsun: yup
[11:49] <liquidboy> well i have marillant active, would it help if i just deactivate it in synaptic?
[11:49] <cartman> crimsun: well I will report any success :-)
[11:49] <crimsun> liquidboy: try it (I haven't tried it since he rebuilt those packages)
[11:50] <crimsun> cartman: I run sid+experimental+hoary myself pinned to sid to make things easier
[11:50] <cartman> crimsun: well unless it has extreme borkage I will stick with hoary only
[11:51] <liquidboy> now it only comes up with the mozilla plugin, the custom and the xmmplayer one...
[11:52] <crimsun> liquidboy: there's no mplayer-386 or mplayer-586?
[11:52] <liquidboy> nope
[11:52] <crimsun> erg
[11:52] <crimsun> check ubuntu-bp.sf.net
[11:52] <crimsun> maybe someone still has an older 'new' package
[11:53] <ls-a> how do i make a squid to start by itself when by any reason dropping down?
[11:53] <crimsun> liquidboy: you are running warty, correct?
[11:55] <Guerin> ls-a: by 'dropping down', do you mean the squid daemon dying?
[11:55] <liquidboy> crimsun: yes i am
[11:55] <crimsun> liquidboy: hmm, that's a tough situation for warty :/
[11:55] <liquidboy> nope, i added that line to my sources.list, reloaded synatpci did a search, still nothing :(
[11:56] <crimsun> liquidboy: yeah, best to disable the ubuntu-bp repo for now.
[11:56] <liquidboy> is there no way to get an asx file to play in xmms or something?
[11:56] <crimsun> liquidboy: there's the avi-xmms plugin
[11:57] <crimsun> liquidboy: http://cvs.xmms.org/cvsweb.cgi/avi-xmms/
[11:57] <liquidboy> but i need asx, isnt that a different thing?
[11:57] <crimsun> liquidboy: that's just an extension for streaming
[11:58] <liquidboy> oh right, but the files themselves will be mp3s eh? (well, i guess they must be, since thats what ppl upload_
[11:58] <crimsun> liquidboy: not necessarily mp3s
[11:58] <crimsun> liquidboy: asx is just a delivery format
[11:58] <cartman> anyone in hoary can do a dpkg -l|grep binutils
[11:58] <liquidboy> oh right
[11:58] <cartman> pls?
[11:59] <crimsun> cartman: 2.15-5ubuntu1
[11:59] <liquidboy> well, the format for this site is mp3... (mp3.com.au)
[11:59] <liquidboy> :P
[11:59] <cartman> crimsun: and as --version
[11:59] <liquidboy> so the avi plugin for xmms might be able to handle asx?
[11:59] <cartman> pls? :)
[11:59] <crimsun> cartman: of what executable?
[11:59] <cartman> as
[11:59] <cartman> assembler
[11:59] <crimsun> oh, sorry
[11:59] <crimsun> missed it there
[12:00] <cartman> :-)
[12:00] <crimsun> 2.15
[12:00] <cartman> thanks
[12:00] <siretart> can someone help me to understand the evolution crash? I just updated evolution-data-center, and now evolution crashes immediatly at startup :(
[12:00] <crimsun> cartman: the only difference from sid's -5 is the presence of a patch for amd64
[12:00] <broodster> how do i create a database with mysql?
[12:01] <crimsun> broodster: you'll want to read the documentation
[12:01] <cartman> crimsun: I wonder if they are hj's latest binutils or not
[12:01] <liquidboy> crimsun, how do i install the stuff on that site?
[12:01] <cartman> but guess not
[12:01] <cartman> broodster: create DATABASE <name>;
[12:01] <ls-a> Guerin, yes
[12:02] <ls-a> Guerin, it is exiing for no obvious reason
[12:02] <ls-a> Guerin, and how do i make it restart after a crash?
[12:02] <crimsun> liquidboy: what site?
[12:02] <broodster> thanks
[12:02] <crimsun> cartman: from what I understand, yes
[12:02] <liquidboy> crimsun:  http://cvs.xmms.org/cvsweb.cgi/avi-xmms/
[12:02] <Guerin> ls-a: check your logs to see why it's dying; man init to find out how to respawn a service when it dies.
[12:02] <crimsun> liquidboy: check it out using cvs
[12:03] <cartman> crimsun: hmm those are numbered as 2.15.90.<foo>
[12:03] <cartman> hj's binutils that is
[12:03] <liquidboy> um, how do i do that?
[12:03] <crimsun> liquidboy: man cvs
[12:04] <liquidboy> man = manual?
[12:04] <ls-a> Guerin, thanks man
[12:06] <cartman> liquidboy: yes
[12:07] <liquidboy> um, is there a plain english manual somewhere around?
[12:08] <Guerin> haha
[12:08] <cartman> lol
[12:08] <cartman> liquidboy: google
[12:08] <liquidboy> yep
[12:08] <liquidboy> doing that already
[12:08] <loogaroo> liquidboy: have you tried to install mplayer from source
[12:08] <liquidboy> nope
[12:08] <liquidboy> havnt
[12:09] <broodster> okay
[12:09] <Guerin> the mplayer source packages from marillat build cleanly on debian
[12:09] <broodster> how do i delete a database?
[12:09] <GoneBoB> broodster: a database of what
[12:10] <liquidboy> um, ive got marillant enabled, but cant find any sources in synaptic...
[12:10] <broodster> in mysql
[12:10] <cartman> broodster: DROP DATABASE <name>;
[12:10] <broodster> ty
[12:10] <Guerin> liquidboy: that's because you haven't got any source lines.
[12:10] <liquidboy> oh... source lines... yes... :P
[12:11] <Guerin> ...
[12:11] <liquidboy> i guess i should find out how to add those then...?
[12:11] <liquidboy> guerin: srry, was supposed to give the impression that i had no idea what you were talking about...
[12:12] <Guerin> liquidboy: oh, it did.
[12:12] <liquidboy> heheh, thats good then
[12:12] <stvn> any reported problems with this mornings version of evolution in hoary?
[12:13] <loogaroo> broodster: you will find mysql docu on www.mysql.com, and you search a good tool for managing mysql DBs look for phpmysql
[12:13] <VirtualDarKness> phpMyAdmin ;)
[12:14] <loogaroo> VirtualDarKness: oh sorry, thats right
[12:14] <liquidboy> guerin: so how do i go about getting some source lines?
[12:17] <Guerin> liquidboy: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html
[12:18] <liquidboy> guerin, do i use the bottom ome "for source, go here:..."?
[12:19] <Guerin> liquidboy: ok, before doing this you need to undertstand how a sources.list file works
[12:19] <liquidboy> ok...
[12:19] <broodster> thanks loogaroo
[12:19] <Guerin> liquidboy: and frankly, since I don't know if these sources build on ubuntu, I think now might not be the time.
[12:19] <liquidboy> yeah
[12:19] <liquidboy> maybe i'll wait till later
[12:19] <Guerin> liquidboy: wait until ubuntu has a package for it.
[12:19] <liquidboy> yeah
[12:20] <liquidboy> well, iwas also thinking short term (like it's almost 12:30 am)
[12:20] <liquidboy> but thanks for the help guyes, even if i didnt (seem to) get anywhere :P
[12:21] <Guerin> yeah, well, if you want to leanr: man apt-get, man sources.list are the places to start.
[12:21] <liquidboy> ok
[12:23] <liquidboy> later
[12:27] <broodster> how do i find out my ip???
[12:27] <VirtualDarKness> http://www.whatismyip.com/
[12:29] <vIkSiT|brb> broodster, er. or you could use ifconfig
[12:38] <RuffianSoldier> I did an apt-get upgrade and now I have Debian menu in the Gnome menu
[12:39] <VirtualDarKness> RuffianSoldier, hi ;)
[12:39] <RuffianSoldier> hi
[12:39] <RuffianSoldier> :-D
[12:51] <tid-wave> hello.. what is the root password for the live cd ?
[12:53] <sladen> tid-wave: there isn't one
[12:53] <sladen> tid-wave: use 'sudo' eg;   sudo apt-get install foobar
[12:53] <tid-wave> can i have a root shell in it ?
[12:53] <Ribs> tid-wave, sudo -s -- innit
[12:53] <tid-wave> ok
[12:53] <tid-wave> thanks
[12:53] <abelli> sladen: ciao
[12:53] <sladen> tid-wave: just type 'sudo' in front of each command you want to run as root
[12:53] <tid-wave> sudo su is ok for me :)
[12:53] <sladen> *sigh*
[12:54] <RuffianSoldier> sudo su-rocks
[12:54] <tid-wave> i got the ubuntu cd's from post office today
[12:54] <tid-wave> and now i'm playing with the live cd version
[12:54] <tid-wave> it's really nice
[12:55] <murtaza> how can i connect to network printer attached to winodwz server
[12:55] <RuffianSoldier> then install the normal version!
[12:56] <tid-wave> RuffianSoldier i don't have the time now, i am a debian user and i have soooo many packages on the box .. and ubuntu seems to be almost like debian .. a more friendly presentation.. anyway i might be wrong since i've been running it only for 15 mins :)
[12:56] <ml267> tid-wave: i found it interesting too
[12:56] <ml267> tid-wave: i just wonder how different the live cd (morphix) is from the installed version
[12:57] <tid-wave> what's the difference between debian and ubuntu ?
[12:57] <ml267> tid-wave: ubuntu sets its own release dates
[12:57] <murtaza> sladen: can u tell me how can i connect to network printer attach on windowz server
[12:58] <paulproteus> murtaza: Computer -> System Configuration -> Printing
[12:58] <tid-wave> ml267 i am using debian sid (unstable) so i don't care about releases :)
[12:58] <ml267> tid-wave: which means a different release cycle from debian, and different set of package versions that they choose to support
[12:58] <paulproteus> Printer -> Add Printer ; Network Printer -> Windows Printer
[12:58] <paulproteus> murtaza: It should be "fairly straightforward" from there.
[12:58] <ml267> tid-wave: if you're on debian unstable, there's really no advantage to using ubuntu, imho
[12:58] <paulproteus> ml267: Except the *much* better stability.
[12:58] <murtaza> paulproteus: i have perofrmed the wizard
[12:58] <paulproteus> And organization.
[12:58] <tid-wave> my system is very stable
[12:59] <sladen> murtaza: go to the printer control panel and 'add' printer whilst the other machine is turned on
[12:59] <paulproteus> tid-wave: Not like "doesn't crash", like "always works the same way".
[12:59] <ml267> paulproteus: well, yeah, if tid-wave cared about released
[12:59] <tid-wave> 2 weeks uptime before rebooting to try live cd
[12:59] <murtaza> it shows the printer icon and also show status ready
[12:59] <tid-wave> well ... i didn't have stability problems in debian .. anyway my box doesn't do real time important stuff :)
[01:00] <ml267> tid-wave: yeah, my stable server runs woody
[01:00] <ml267> tid-wave: i'm using ubuntu as a compromise between stability and having something up-to-date for desktop use
[01:00] <tid-wave> but i consider this distribution, ubuntu, to be nice.. i am going to spread it to my friends...
[01:01] <tid-wave> ml267 linux is stable
[01:01] <ml267> tid-wave: yeah, i got the ubuntu CD's for that purpose too
[01:01] <tid-wave> even if the packages are labeled 'unstable' :)
[01:01] <ml267> tid-wave: it's a little more polished than home-brewed debian CD's that I've made
[01:01] <RuffianSoldier> goodnight all
[01:01] <tid-wave> all of the guys on my home LAN are crying because of instable and virused win xp boxes
[01:02] <ml267> tid-wave: when you get a chance, run the synaptic package manager, do the dist-upgrade thing
[01:02] <tid-wave> ml267 i know synaptic :)
[01:02] <tid-wave> dist-upgrade for ubuntu ?
[01:02] <ml267> tid-wave: i noticed that it held back upgrades
[01:03] <murtaza> how can i delete the printers which i have attached
[01:03] <ml267> tid-wave: when I was using apt-get install to get some packages
[01:03] <tid-wave> so are there more branches of this distribution ?
[01:03] <ml267> tid-wave: afaik, this is the first released version (warty warthog)
[01:04] <Adrenal> i just installed the new thunderbird from an installer downloaded from mozilla. It installed fine, but how do i import my old mail?
[01:04] <ml267> tid-wave: i would guess they have their own testing branch like debian, but it's not really advertised
[01:04] <ml267> Adrenal: import from?
[01:05] <Adrenal> the old, warty installed thunderbird
[01:05] <tid-wave> i wonder if there is any audio file in ubuntu
[01:05] <tid-wave> some melody
[01:05] <Adrenal> tid-wave, the startup?
[01:06] <Adrenal> and, i hope your name is not a blatant attempt to garner attention for yourself from the recent tradegy
[01:06] <phosphorgreen> hi every1
[01:06] <ml267> Adrenal: i haven't used thunderbird... but doesn't it have its own mail import function?
[01:06] <Adrenal> i tried that
[01:06] <ml267> Adrenal: otherwise, I'd check its release notes
[01:06] <Adrenal> but the new one won't detect the old one
[01:06] <Adrenal> and visa versa
[01:06] <Adrenal> release notes, of course
[01:06] <Adrenal> thanks, and later
[01:07] <Adrenal> have a happy new year
[01:07] <phosphorgreen> does anyone know if it is possible to install warty/hoary onto a floppy/cd less laptop (just network and hard drive)
[01:07] <ml267> usb drive
[01:07] <phosphorgreen> not an option unfortunately
[01:07] <phosphorgreen> system wont boot from usb
[01:08] <ml267> what's on the system currently?
[01:08] <phosphorgreen> i installed debian sarge over an nfs connection
[01:08] <phosphorgreen> debian sarge
[01:08] <ml267> why ubuntu?
[01:08] <paulproteus> phosphorgreen: Yes.  You can install Warty by dist-upgrading from Debian Woody.
[01:09] <phosphorgreen> because i hope it will fix a few things that my laptop dislikes in sarge
[01:09] <fred> Hi; does anyone know if I can run the hoary bootsplash on the radeonfb instead of vesafb ?
[01:09] <paulproteus> From Sarge isn't recommended, as I understand.
[01:09] <paulproteus> Have never tried it myself.
[01:09] <phosphorgreen> paulproteus: i am using sarge, will that be a problem
[01:09] <phosphorgreen> yes thats what they say
[01:10] <ml267> paulproteus: doesn't ubuntu have some custom install scripts that wouldn't be run from a simple dist upgrade?
[01:10] <paulproteus> phosphorgreen: Well, if you're set on starting from sarge, I recommend removing nearly everything.
[01:10] <paulproteus> ml267: Nothing that's a big deal.  In Debian(-based distros), most install stuff is run from pre-install scripts in packages.
[01:10] <paulproteus> phosphorgreen: "Good luck, and tell me if it works." ;)
[01:11] <phosphorgreen> heh i will
[01:11] <phosphorgreen> i was just hoping that i could install it cleanly
[01:11] <phosphorgreen> rather than upgrade
[01:11] <ml267> paulproteus: like i noticed some nice device detection.. which I'm not sure if pure debian?
[01:11] <tid-wave> there is no plugin to load MP3 file
[01:11] <tid-wave> lol
[01:11] <paulproteus> phosphorgreen: There *is* the net-install route.
[01:11] <paulproteus> tid-wave: See RestrictedFormats on the wiki.
[01:11] <phosphorgreen> where? i havent seen it
[01:11] <paulproteus> tid-wave: (Short answer: "There is.  You just have to install it.")
[01:11] <paulproteus> phosphorgreen: It's on the wiki, somewhere.
[01:11] <tid-wave> paulproteus how do i install it ?
[01:12] <paulproteus> Search for net or network install.
[01:12] <ml267> paulproteus: is restricted == contrib?
[01:12] <paulproteus> tid-wave: It's on that wiki page.
[01:12] <tid-wave> ok
[01:12] <tid-wave> thanks
[01:13] <siretart> is evolution/hoary installable ATM?
[01:15] <phosphorgreen> siretart: i upgraded to hoary on a devel box last week, seemed fine, didnt do much with it though
[01:15] <siretart> phosphorgreen: I'm missing libegroupwise1.2-0, evolution is depending on that lib, but it's not available
[01:15] <siretart> ?1
[01:16] <fred> does anyone know how I can get the usplash thing working on my ATI 9200 mobility ?
[01:16] <phosphorgreen> hmmm. didn't have that problem
[01:16] <phosphorgreen> evo worked fine
[01:17] <phosphorgreen> but it was an upgrade from warty
[01:20] <siretart> ah, evolution has been build against libegroupwise1.2-0 but libegroupwise1.2-1 is available in the archive
[01:23] <ftwig> hi everybody - how do I stop the file browser spawning a new window every time I click on a folder and how do I get a locatin bar so I can just type the path.
[01:26] <Lathiat> ftwig: under desktop preferences, file management
[01:28] <rituraj> running ubuntu at home
[01:28] <rituraj> the problem is with multimedia tools
[01:29] <rituraj> i cannot run .dat with totem
[01:29] <rituraj> it fails for some "unknown reason"
[01:29] <rituraj> thats the error message
[01:29] <rituraj> Rhythmbox fails to run mp3
[01:29] <rituraj> where can i find those plugins on ubuntu
[01:29] <rituraj> and how to get them working
[01:30] <wezzer-> rituraj: type sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[01:30] <wezzer-> in console
[01:30] <rituraj> ok
[01:30] <wezzer-> that should fix that problem with rhytmbox and mp3-files
[01:30] <rituraj> that will solve both of above probs?...t
[01:30] <rituraj> ah ok
[01:31] <rituraj> and abt totem -dat
[01:31] <wezzer-> I'm afraid I can't help you with that :(
[01:31] <rituraj> well anyways thanks for help :)
[01:32] <wezzer-> you're welcome :(
[01:32] <wezzer-> *:)
[01:32] <wezzer-> whoops
[01:37] <biezt> does ubuntu autodetect when i plug my internet cable in ?
[01:37] <muempf> hello
[01:37] <cat_and_fox> hia all. i've installed sun's JRE into /opt/java but apps cant see it. where do i set the environment variables or links so that all apps look here for a jre?(ie azureus)
[01:37] <muempf> can someone help me with a x-server problem
[01:38] <sky_HALud> greetings
[01:38] <rituraj> muempf:whats the prob
[01:39] <sky_HALud> I have a problem installing warty on my amd64 with sata raid
[01:39] <rituraj> ok sky whats the prob cause i will be doing that tomm
[01:39] <rituraj> i also have a new AMD64 with SATA
[01:40] <sky_HALud> warty sees my drives
[01:40] <rituraj> havent installed Ubuntu yet but downloaded
[01:40] <rituraj> ok
[01:40] <sky_HALud> it just cannot see the raid 0 array
[01:40] <muempf> x-server doesn start and after prompting an error, i have a very sallow console on tty1
[01:40] <biezt> does ubuntu auto detect a new internet connection ?
[01:41] <rituraj> sky:so you are configuring s/w raid?
[01:41] <muempf> the x-config and the error.log are there: http://nopaste.php-q.net/105022 and http://nopaste.php-q.net/105023
[01:41] <rituraj> muempf:ok wait
[01:41] <muempf> thx
[01:42] <xukun> does anybody know a software which I can use for speedreading onder linux?
[01:42] <sky_HALud> rituraj, I guess so
[01:42] <xukun> you have things like WinBlit for windows
[01:43] <rituraj> muempf: login through command mode
[01:43] <rituraj> and run xf86config
[01:44] <muempf> i cant
[01:44] <rituraj> ?? dont you get login prompt
[01:44] <biezt> plz help me !! can i install ubuntu and then plug internet in ? and it will autodetect ?
[01:44] <rituraj> on command mode..black screen
[01:44] <rituraj> sky:are you tere
[01:45] <rituraj> sky: can you tell me exactly at which point the installation fails....
[01:45] <muempf> i have a login prompt, but very sallow
[01:45] <rituraj> sallow?
[01:45] <sky_HALud> rituraj, when I'm at the part with choosing the install partition
[01:45] <rituraj> sorry i dont get you
[01:46] <sky_HALud> at that point the install sees the two sata drvies
[01:46] <sky_HALud> but not the array
[01:46] <rituraj> sky: ok
[01:46] <rituraj> sky: what is your motherboard and chipset
[01:47] <sky_HALud> rituraj, the mb is abit av8 with via k8t800 pro
[01:47] <muempf> i can see hardly any output on tty1
[01:47] <sky_HALud> and the raid chip is via vt8237
[01:47] <rituraj> try upating your BIOS to the latest one from their site
[01:48] <rituraj> muempf: try ALT+F1
[01:48] <sky_HALud> rituraj, thanks. I'll try that
[01:48] <biezt> hmmm how can i burn an iso, cuz nero burns it as a iso to cd-drive :S
[01:48] <muempf> no result also with str-alt-f1
[01:48] <rituraj> sky: typically the boards coming with AMD64 are of older BIOS version known to be cauing trouble with Linux
[01:49] <rituraj> muempf: try booting with single user mode
[01:49] <sky_HALud> got it
[01:49] <sky_HALud> I'll do that
[01:49] <biezt> plz help me so i can install ubuntu !!
[01:50] <rituraj> biezt: whats the problem
[01:50] <biezt> does nero automatically burns an iso as the cd-version ?
[01:51] <rituraj> bietz: i am not sure wheather Ubuntu will autodetect the internet ..but you can make it work!
[01:51] <biezt> and does ubuntu auto-detect internet when i plug it in
[01:51] <biezt> well i want to stay here for support, but i aint got a router yet. so i have to keep plugging my cable between 2 cd'ss
[01:52] <jolg> biezt: I haven't used nero for a looong time. But I think you can choose something like "burn cd from iso/image" or something in the menu...
[01:52] <muempf> now i have bootet in single user mode (recovery mode)
[01:52] <rituraj> bietz: i am sorry i cant help you right now on that ..havent used Ubuntu that much for those purposes
[01:52] <rituraj> muempf: well do u get the login prompt now
[01:53] <siretart> evolution does not satisfy build dependencies in hoary either :(
[01:54] <biezt> and how do i install something on linux, cuz i know nothing ... which file to run :P
[01:54] <rituraj> biezt does nero automatically burns an iso as the cd-version ?---from what i understand..yes it does create a BOOTABLE when you burn iso
[01:54] <rituraj> hey siretart: is hoary available for download?
[01:56] <siretart> rituraj: well, looking at the ftp servers, I would say yes
[01:59] <rituraj> i can find only warty on ftp
[01:59] <emanuelez> hello everybody
[01:59] <rituraj> can you pls tell me URL
[01:59] <rituraj> hi emanu
[01:59] <rituraj> hows u
[01:59] <siretart> rituraj: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/
[02:00] <emanuelez> i have a canon lbp 1120 printer. canon japan has released GPL linux drivers which is very useful cause it's a winprinter. who should i contact to create deb packages of these drivers?
[02:01] <howard> does anyone know why I can't return back to windows? my windows is in another partition but in the same drive
[02:01] <Lathiat> howard: when booting, press escape, and you can choose windows
[02:01] <Lathiat> howard: it counts down for 3 seconds
[02:01] <Lathiat> howard: and says press escape to see menu
[02:02] <howard> Lathiat: yeah, I did that
[02:02] <Lathiat> and what hapened?
[02:02] <howard> Lathiat: but it keeps saying error
[02:02] <Lathiat> what error
[02:02] <aufmuempfiger> i had  the same problem
[02:02] <aufmuempfiger> i have bootet knoppix
[02:03] <siretart> emanuelez: perhaps a debian or ubuntu developer with access to such hardware. without hardware its impossible to test the package.
[02:03] <howard> it says something about the device
[02:03] <Lathiat> howard: If you can write down the exact error, then come back and let me know what it is, then I can help you
[02:04] <howard> I changed the hd(0,0) things to like, ,1 ,2 ,3 ,4 ,5 and it stil didn't work
[02:04] <howard> okay brb
[02:04] <mjt> does ubuntu support supermount? (it seems it's not maintained anymore.. again)
[02:04] <lizdeika> it does "supermount" in other way
[02:05] <rituraj> what is supermount?
[02:05] <rituraj> never heard
[02:05] <mjt> in "other way" - which is it?
[02:05] <lizdeika> your cds, floppys, usb sticks will automagically mounted :)
[02:05] <mjt> rituraj: supermount-ng.sourceforge.net
[02:05] <lizdeika> *will be
[02:05] <rituraj> ah autofs!!!
[02:06] <mjt> supermount != autofs
[02:06] <rituraj> umm well i will look at the link
[02:07] <mjt> automount (autofs whatever) has one problem: i want to be able to eject the device (cdrom) without waiting for the umount (inactivity) timeout
[02:08] <mjt> i tried to find in kernel whenever it's possible to catch insert/remove events somehow.. but can't find the place
[02:08] <mjt> (remove = when you press "eject" button etc)
[02:09] <mjt> (it'd be nice (i think) to pass that events via hotplug mechanism, btw... and acpi events too)
[02:10] <howard> okay, back
[02:10] <howard> it said
[02:10] <howard> root hd(0,1)
[02:10] <howard> filesystem type unknown, partition type 0xf makeactive
[02:11] <howard> Error 12: Invalid device requested
[02:11] <olimar> Hi all are there any translatable modules in Ubuntu which have to be translated extra?
[02:11] <mjt> supermount does not lock the door (only on write, and even that is for only short duration), while autofs (which is just a "wrapper" around real mount) does.  and.. supermount needs some changes to work with 2.6.10 (eg vfs_permission() is gone in 2.6.10)
[02:12] <olimar> I am the gnome arabic translation coordinator and I want to contribute to Ubuntu cz it's so great if there is any thing in that regard
[02:12] <rituraj> whats the difference in autofs and supermount
[02:12] <rituraj> ?
[02:13] <howard> anyone know why my computer won't load windows? with the error I mentioned?
[02:13] <mjt> autofs does mount() when you access the path, and umount() after some inactivity timeout (when you don't use the device for some time).  supermount "keeps" it mounted all the time, without locking the door
[02:14] <rituraj> i c
[02:14] <emanuelez> siretart: just made a RFP request to debian mantainers
[02:15] <rituraj> i read on some debian maillist just now that supermount clashes with magicdev
[02:15] <mjt> in short, supermount behaves exactly like in dos/windows (you can freely insert/remove media at any time but when actually doing writes)
[02:15] <rituraj> so we  one needs to remove magicdev if supermount has to work!
[02:15] <mjt> looks like it's my turn to ask question... what's magicdev? :)
[02:15] <rituraj> brb
[02:16] <mjt> aha.. another thing around the same.
[02:17] <mjt> hell.. polling again.. WHY?!?!  Kernel knows when the disk is inserted/ejected in most cases....
[02:18] <howard> anyone know how to get back to windows
[02:19] <mjt> what's the problem howard?
[02:19] <howard> at startup
[02:19] <howard> I pressed esc
[02:19] <howard> to see the menu with the OS I have
[02:19] <howard> when I select windows and press enter
[02:19] <howard> an error popped up
[02:20] <howard> roo hd(9,0)
[02:20] <howard> whoops Imeant
[02:20] <howard> root hd(0,1)
[02:20] <howard> Filesystem type unknown, pratition type 0xf makeactive
[02:20] <e-Jah> re
[02:20] <howard> Error 12: Invalid device requested
[02:20] <mjt> howard: can you load linux?
[02:21] <howard> I'm on linux lol
[02:21] <howard> I can't load windows
[02:21] <mjt> it's on this machine, right?
[02:21] <howard> yeah
[02:21] <howard> I have windows on another partition
[02:21] <howard> but is in the same hard disk drive as my linux
[02:22] <mjt> howard: please /msg me what your cfdisk says about the partition layout
[02:22] <mjt> (just run cfdisk (as root) and cut-n-paste the partitions)
[02:24] <siretart> anyone using pbuilder on hoary?
[02:24] <zelphior> I have a quick question regarding the ubuntu live cd
[02:24] <zelphior> what is the root password?
[02:25] <wezzer-> I don't think there is a password for root
[02:25] <zelphior> there is one
[02:25] <wezzer-> really?
[02:25] <zelphior> tried su, got password prompt
[02:25] <howard> okay
[02:25] <wezzer-> well, then I don't know
[02:25] <siretart> Talliesin: there is no root password. use "sudo -s" for a root shell
[02:25] <wezzer-> zelphior: ach, no
[02:25] <siretart> argl
[02:26] <wezzer-> that doesn't mean that there is one
[02:26] <siretart> zelphior: there is no root password. use "sudo -s" for a root shell
[02:26] <zelphior> thanks
[02:26] <zelphior> tried su and then just enter at password prompt and that didn't work
[02:26] <Talliesin> heh? wha? ah misdirection
[02:26] <zelphior> sudo -s works
[02:26] <zelphior> thanks
[02:27] <howard>  hda1        Boot        Primary   Linux ext3                       27266.39
[02:27] <howard>     hda5        NC          Logical   NTFS             []               52749.14
[02:27] <rituraj> can anyone tell me why does my Ubuntu does not play .dat files...says "unknown reason"
[02:27] <mjt> howard: is it all?!
[02:28] <sobralense> Im using warty packages , may I use some debian .deb too?
[02:28] <mjt> howard: where are hda2, hda3 -- other primary partitions?
[02:28] <howard> mjt: I dunno..that's all
[02:28] <remix_tj> sobralense: yes
[02:28] <mjt> hmm
[02:29] <rituraj> grub entry for Windows is wrong i think howard u said its (hd0,1) ...shud be (hd0,4)
[02:29] <mjt> howard: do you remember where was your windows befoer? did you have C: and D:?
[02:29] <howard> I tried that
[02:29] <howard> it was in C:
[02:30] <sobralense> I'd like ubuntu use lilo =(
[02:30] <howard> rituraj: I tried 0,1 ,2 ,3 ,4 ,5
[02:30] <sobralense> I hate grub
[02:30] <rituraj> no dont try
[02:30] <rituraj> (hd0,4) is the correct entry
[02:31] <howard> in the menu.lst?
[02:31] <rituraj> yep
[02:31] <howard> I think in my menu.lst..it says hd(0,4)
[02:31] <Varg_> a) Why didn't the ubuntu installer ask me for a root passwd and b) what is the freaking default?
[02:31] <howard> instead of (hd0,4)
[02:31] <rituraj> do you have chainloader + statement in that windws section
[02:31] <howard> yeah
[02:31] <howard> dunno about the statement
[02:31] <howard> but chainloader, yes
[02:32] <mjt> howard: i think you're lost
[02:32] <mjt> win CANNOT be in secondary partition
[02:32] <mjt> or, that to say: it can't BOOT from secondary partition
[02:33] <howard> mjt: oh...crap
[02:33] <mjt> in order for it to boot, ther MUST be at least one primary partition with dos/win filesystem
[02:33] <rituraj> I think hd(0,4) is the WRONG entry
[02:33] <rituraj> should be (hd0,4)
[02:33] <howard> rituraj: yeah, I tried (hd0,4)
[02:33] <howard> rituraj: still didn't work
[02:34] <howard> mjt: so i gotta reinstall my whole system? and make windows my first partition?
[02:34] <rituraj> mjt: you may be right thats what i feel too....BUT he says he was able to use it befoe
[02:34] <howard> wait, I used it before
[02:34] <howard> when I had no linux
[02:34] <mjt> hd4,0 is wrong here: there's either no such partition or it's extended partition
[02:34] <rituraj> ahhhhh
[02:34] <rituraj> :)
[02:34] <mjt> 0.4 even
[02:34] <howard> so what should I do now?
[02:35] <rituraj> mjt: /dev/hda5....what will this partition be called in grub if not (hd0,4) ??
[02:35] <mjt> in any way: neither grub nor any other similar boot loader CAN NOT boot win from extended partition
[02:35] <howard> reformat my hdd, make 2 partitions, where the first partition is windows and 2nd is liunux?
[02:35] <rituraj> right
[02:35] <mjt> howard: are you sure you had only C: drive?
[02:35] <mjt> (in win)
[02:36] <mjt> looking at the layout i don't think it was the case
[02:36] <howard> mjt: I only had C: drive in win because I didn't have linux before, and I only had one partition back then
[02:36] <howard> mjt: I reformated my whole HDD
[02:36] <ingful> why is no one in #ubuntu.de ?
[02:36] <howard> mjt: and installed linux and windows
[02:36] <howard> mjt: there's also another problem
[02:37] <howard> mjt: I tried reformating my windows by booting my windows disc
[02:37] <howard> mjt: but when it says scanning hard disk configuration, it goes to a black screen and does nothing
[02:37] <mjt> i can't say anything about this one
[02:37] <howard> mjt: mm...
[02:38] <mjt> if there's nothing to lose in your win partition, just remove it now,
[02:38] <howard> mjt: how can I reformat my HDD and do everything again?
[02:38] <howard> mjt: where do I remove it
[02:38] <mjt> create new partition with appropriate type (ntfs) using cfdisk, and install win to it
[02:38] <mjt> cfdisk does it all
[02:39] <mjt> create *primary* partition (it
[02:39] <howard> ohh okay
[02:39] <mjt> (it'll be hda2)
[02:39] <howard> primary partition for windows
[02:39] <howard> and logical for linux?
[02:39] <rituraj> i would rather suggest to use windows fdisk to create a partition
[02:39] <mjt> heh
[02:39] <rituraj> cfdisk/fdisk of linux does not always work well with windows
[02:39] <mjt> i know what cfdisk will do. but i don't know what win tool will do
[02:39] <mjt> and i don't know how it will mess things up
[02:40] <rituraj> :) windows does not know of alien things manier times and ehaves badly
[02:40] <mjt> for example the current situation (win on *extended* partition) - how it happened?
[02:41] <howard> sigh lol
[02:41] <sobralense> I think should be a ubuntu-br channel .. =P
[02:41] <mjt> just one thing to remember: only primary partitions are bootable, and if you have extended partition, you only have 3 primary ones.
[02:41] <howard> okay
[02:41] <mjt> and another: win setup will "correct" the partition table, making linux unbootable
[02:41] <howard> ah..
[02:41] <howard> what should I do then
[02:42] <mjt> so you will have to boot from linux cd and reinstall grub
[02:42] <howard> everytime I want to use linux?
[02:42] <mjt> no, every time you install windows
[02:42] <howard> oh
[02:42] <rituraj> mjt : you are right but one thing..a bootable partition need not necessarily be a primary one
[02:43] <mjt> rituraj: if you're expirienced enouth to be able to boot your OS from extended partition, that's ok.  But it isn't.. simple.
[02:44] <howard> linux CAN boot from an extended partition though right?
[02:44] <mjt> i think lilo can boot linux from extended partition
[02:44] <rituraj> yes Howard
[02:44] <mjt> linux can't "boot" itself
[02:45] <mjt> it's the linux loaded (lilo, grub, ...) who reads the kernel from disk (from whatever place it is) and passes control to it
[02:45] <mjt> loader even
[02:45] <howard> o
[02:45] <mjt> the root filesystem can be anywhere you like
[02:45] <mjt> what matters is where your loader is
[02:46] <da_bon_bon> how do i get a "My computer" icon ? on desktop in KDE ? on FC3 ?
[02:46] <mjt> i think both grub and lilo can load stuff from any place on disk
[02:46] <wezzer-> da_bon_bon: I think this is the wrong channel to ask such a question
[02:46] <mjt> but grub itself have to be on the primary partition for bios to load it
[02:46] <da_bon_bon> wezzer-: i wanted to know whether anyone knows...
[02:47] <wezzer-> da_bon_bon: well, I don't know and this is ubuntu channel and ubuntu uses gnome, so... :)
[02:47] <zeedo> da_bon_bon: youd have more luck in a kde or fedora channel
[02:48] <da_bon_bon> oh ok.
[02:48] <nevyn> da_bon_bon: just drag it from wherever it is.
[02:49] <howard> mjt: this is pretty confusing
[02:49] <da_bon_bon> nevyn: i mean, i gnome i get it not kde
[02:49] <cartman> how can I force installation of non-authenticated apps?
[02:49] <cartman> I enter "y" but it doesn't seem to understand it
[02:50] <nevyn> is there any way to get a file selector in gtk that doesn't suck rocks? ie something that let's you type a filename without stupid CTRL-L tricks
[02:50] <mjt> howard: what is confusing?
[02:50] <nevyn> and then when you type a filename doesnt' go there in the tree view and wait for you to hit ok.
[02:51] <howard> mjt: do I just use cfdisk now?
[02:52] <mon> hi, i was taking a look at the Rosetta translation site, and i noticed there is "Dutch" and "Dutch Netherlands"
[02:52] <mjt> howard: yes. delete your win partition, create new *primary* one (hit 't' to set its type to ntfs), reboot and install windows to it
[02:52] <mon> whats the difference?
[02:52] <NixerX> da_bon_bon, did you want the Icon for KDE or gnome?
[02:52] <howard> mjt: okay, thanks alot
[02:52] <da_bon_bon> NixerX: KDE under FC3
[02:52] <mjt> howard: i think it is possible to "convert" your existing partition to primary,
[02:53] <mjt> howard: but i'm not sure win will boot after that
[02:53] <NixerX> da_bon_bon, Are you running Fedora?
[02:53] <howard> mjt: o well, I made a new one already lol
[02:53] <mjt> howard: and keep you linux cd handy -- you will have to reinstall grub
[02:54] <howard> mjt: okay
[02:54] <howard> mjt: and umm, do I leave my linux as primary too?
[02:54] <mjt> yes definitely
[02:54] <howard> mjt: so I'll have two primary
[02:54] <howard> mjt: okay cool
[02:54] <mjt> unless you want to reinstall it too ;)
[02:55] <mjt> there may be up to 4 primary partitions
[02:55] <howard> mjt: okay cool
[02:55] <mjt> (one of them may be "extended", to contain more "subpartitions")
[02:55] <howard> mjt: ohh
[02:56] <howard> mjt: hey, how exactly do I JUST install grub after I install windows?
[02:56] <mjt> hehe
[02:57] <mjt> hmm
[02:57] <charleyramm>  Do you mean you have ubuntu installed, and windows broke your bootloader?
[02:57] <mjt> i assume grub on ubuntu is installed into the partition, not into mbr, right?
[02:57] <mjt> charleyramm: not yet, but it will soon ;)
[02:58] <charleyramm> But you want to install grub first?
[02:58] <mjt> is it sufficient to just mark linux partition as active after (re)installing windows?
[02:58] <mjt> (ie to restore it back, that is)
[02:59] <nevyn> windows will probably stomp on grub
[02:59] <mjt> why?
[02:59] <charleyramm> I'm not sure. If grub is gone, you need to somehow run grub-install. With a live cd maybe.
[02:59] <howard> so when my windows break my bootloader for ubuntu, I just insert my linux cd in again and reinstall linux?
[02:59] <mjt> if grub is on linux partition (as opposed to be on mbr) win will not touch it
[03:00] <mjt> howard: no, you will have to restore just the loader, nothing more
[03:00] <howard> how do I check if my grub is on linux partition or not?
[03:00] <howard> mjt: is there an option at the boot up from the disc to restore just the loader?
[03:00] <mjt> which disc?
[03:00] <mjt> the cdrom?
[03:00] <howard> linux disc
[03:00] <howard> yeah
[03:00] <grepper> I notice devfs is enabled in ubuntu kernel - do I need to enable this for automounting of usb-storage  devices?  I'm trying to figure out why the kernel I compiled doesn't support this anymore.
[03:01] <sjoerd> grepper: you need udev for the automounting stuff
[03:01] <scoon> any hoary users with a broken evolution ?
[03:01] <mjt> i dunno: i don't know where ubuntu places the boot loader (mbr vs the linux partition).  Anyone can answer to this trivial question?
[03:02] <spikeb> mbr
[03:02] <grepper> sjoerd, yep, I have all that, I'm talking about the kernel
[03:02] <sjoerd> grepper: thus you don't need devfs for automounting
[03:02] <spikeb> mjt, mbr by default
[03:02] <grepper> or is there a udev option in kernel I missed ?
[03:02] <sjoerd> it's probably just for the initrd
[03:02] <grepper> I thought it was userspace
[03:02] <sjoerd> grepper: no udev is pure userspace, although you need hotpug support in the kerenl for it
[03:02] <charleyramm> Do we have  a #flood channel, for long configs, errors, etc?
[03:03] <spikeb> yes
[03:03] <spikeb> plus, pastebin.com
[03:03] <cartman> crimsun: sid->hoary went very well
[03:03] <grepper> sjoerd, well, its the same install, but change kernel and it no longer works, so I must have left something out
[03:03] <grepper> I went through menuconfig carefully and couldn't see what it could be
[03:04] <ogra> hi guys....
[03:04] <howard> mjt: to make it more simple, can I just install windows now, and then reinstall linux after that so it fixes the load up?
[03:04] <spikeb> howard, yeah
[03:04] <sjoerd> grepper: what does your .xession-errors say if you plug in a device ?
[03:04] <ogra> everybody who wants to try out a cool gnome burning app, may grab a graveman package here: http://www.grawert.net/graveman_0.2-ubuntu1_i386.deb
[03:04] <howard> spikeb: sweet, thanks
[03:04] <mjt> 1) install, 2) reinstall, 3) repeat from step 1.  Ugh.
[03:04] <grepper> sjoerd, heh, I was just looking there to paste
[03:04] <spikeb> ogra, what are the deps?
[03:04] <grepper> libhal.c 840 : Error sending msg: No property info.capabilities on device with id /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_usb_device_4cb_116_1000_-1_Y-388^^^^^030104WFC00002012478_0
[03:04] <sjoerd> grepper: ignore that one
[03:05] <ogra> spikeb: deps ?
[03:05] <spikeb> ogra, dependancies
[03:05] <howard> mjt: so install windows and then reinstall linux, that works yeah?
[03:05] <sjoerd> ogra: any url with screenshots and stuff ?
[03:05] <ogra> http://scresto.site.voila.fr/gravemanuk.html
[03:05] <mjt> howard: yes, until you will (re)install win again.
[03:05] <grepper> I don't see anything else, except "Error: No running window found"
[03:05] <howard> mjt: lol, yeah
[03:05] <howard> mjt thanks alot
[03:05] <howard> mjt: I'm gonna try it now
[03:06] <mjt> howard: what I'd suggest you is to install grub *now*, to the partition, and just
[03:06] <howard> mjt how do I do that?
[03:06] <mjt> .. change active partition to linux after reinstallin win
[03:06] <ogra> spikeb: libid3tag ,libogg ,libvorbis ,cdrtools, sox  and the gtk libs indeed
[03:06] <spikeb> ahh cool
[03:06] <spikeb> all stuff i have
[03:06] <howard> mjt: how do I do that?
[03:06] <ogra> i will move it to my repo today and also build ppc packages
[03:07] <ogra> its the most promising one ive seen so far
[03:07] <spikeb> hmm
[03:08] <sjoerd> although i really like the n-c-b setup of things, but it needs some improvement
[03:08] <spikeb> there's no menu entry
[03:08] <grepper> sjoerd, any ideas of what I might have left out ?
[03:08] <sjoerd> grepper: dunno, is the device for it actually created ?
[03:08] <ogra> spikeb: nope, not yet, i'll patch a .desktop file in....
[03:08] <spikeb> I found a bug :P
[03:08] <spikeb> ogra, ok cool
[03:08] <ogra> spikeb: run it with the command graveman
[03:09] <spikeb> yeah i ran it, i was making observations of what i saw :)
[03:09] <ogra> i just saw it 15mins ago.....
[03:09] <grepper> sjoerd, its mountable manually, so hotplug is working fine
[03:09] <mon> hi, i was taking a look at the Rosetta translation site, and i noticed there is "Dutch" and "Dutch Netherlands". what's the difference, why translate things twice?
[03:09] <spikeb> (looks very nice)
[03:09] <ogra> yep
[03:09] <grepper> sjoerd, just no automount or nautilus window
[03:10] <sjoerd> grepper: yeah, but we most start at some point to check out whats going wrong :)
[03:10] <sjoerd> grepper: does the volume show up in the device manager
[03:10] <grepper> sec
[03:11] <scoon> any hoary users with a working evolution ?
[03:11] <nakee> mon maybe one is belgian or some other sort of dutch speaking country?
[03:11] <nakee> like surinam or the like
[03:11] <grepper> sjoerd, yes, it shows up
[03:11] <NetSKaVeN> hell-o!
[03:12] <sjoerd> grepper: is this warty or hoary btw
[03:12] <biezt> i just want to say : ubuntu rules, cuz the installation was ez
[03:12] <grepper> sjoerd, warty
[03:12] <biezt> is there an ftp client in ubuntu installed ?
[03:12] <cartman> biezt: lftp
[03:13] <grepper> and ftp
[03:13] <sjoerd> grepper: but does it actually show up as a volume ? thus block.is_volume == true ?
[03:13] <grepper> sec :)
[03:13] <sjoerd> grepper: sorry for asking possibly obvious things, but i need to know really sure :)
[03:13] <grepper> sjoerd, I keep unplugging the camera to save battery - sec :)
[03:15] <mjt> ok, so why ubuntu installs grub into mbr?
[03:15] <NetSKaVeN> I'm trying to modify Ubuntu live CD, can anyone help me?
[03:15] <grepper> sjoerd, this is in device manager under advanced for the camera line ?
[03:16] <NetSKaVeN> I made all the work but I can't make the final ISO
[03:16] <sjoerd> grepper: well you should see your camera usb device and them some children below it
[03:17] <sjoerd> grepper: and one of the leaves should have block.is_volume in the advanced tab
[03:17] <kipod> i resive this massage on bootup ": Fatal: error inserting shpchp " what can i do about it ?
[03:17] <biezt> hmmm can't find lftp :O
[03:18] <loz> has anyone here managed to sort out a nfs server on ubuntu?  I have rpc errors..
[03:18] <nakee> is there a guide how to install ubuntu through the network?
[03:19] <jmob> nakee: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NetbootInstallHowto
[03:19] <grepper> sjoerd, no, I don't see that string anywhere
[03:19] <nakee> jmob thanks
[03:19] <sjoerd> grepper: which kernel did you compile and which version of hal is that (thus which version of hal does warty have)
[03:20] <kipod> NM  i solved the problem thanks ppl
[03:20] <grepper> sjoerd, kernel 2.6.10  and 0.2.98-1ubuntu
[03:23] <mon> nakee: belgium is mentioned as well, just once though
[03:23] <mon> nakee: would be a waste of time if things are double translated for some vague reason i think
[03:24] <biezt> so gftp is in gzip, where can i down this ?
[03:24] <sjoerd> grepper: that combination won't work.. you need either a newer hal or an older kernel
[03:24] <grepper> sjoerd, oops, I just found that string way down, not in usb where I was looking - there is another entry for the camera under my via chip
[03:25] <aufmuempfiger> hello
[03:25] <rattboi> yo!
[03:25] <grepper> sjoerd:  block.is_volume 1 (0x1)
[03:25] <aufmuempfiger> having problems to start x on new installation
[03:25] <Gerrath> I performed an update on my Ubuntu installation and for what ever reason the post configuration did not complete.  The computer was shut down (not by me) before I could see the errors.  This would normally not be an issue but for some reason the initrd.img was deleted and a new one was not installed so now the system will not boot.
[03:26] <grepper> a whole bunch of volume child entries
[03:26] <sjoerd> grepper: that are your harddisks and stuff probably
[03:26] <sjoerd> grepper: anyway you need at least hal >= 0.4.2 if you want it to work correctly with 2.6.10
[03:26] <Gerrath> I tried running from the live distro and finishing the post configuration (chroot, dpkg --configure -a) but I get a /dev/null resitriction since I'm running off the live distro.
[03:26] <unperson> A question for people accessing samba shares with their ubuntu desktop:  How do you mount your samba shares?
[03:26] <Gerrath> any suggestions?
[03:27] <aufmuempfiger> could someone take a look there: http://nopaste.php-q.net/105022 and http://nopaste.php-q.net/105023
[03:27] <NixerX> Gerrath, how dose your menu.lst look?
[03:27] <grepper> sjoerd, oops, fujitsu vs fugi  , sorry too early
[03:27] <grepper> sjoerd, thanks, that gives me some place to start investigating  :)
[03:27] <grepper> I'll try a newer hal
[03:27] <Gerrath> it has the link to the kernel and the initrd (which is no longer there).
[03:27] <mon> unperson: personally i wouldn't use (Linux - Samba - Linux) i just run both NFS and Samba for the correct OS
[03:28] <Gerrath> the kernel is there but I can't access the root file system with out the initrd.
[03:28] <dr_willis> Gerrath,  i recall some how you can remount the /dev/ when doing stuff like that.
[03:28] <Gerrath> thats what I'm looking for.
[03:28] <dr_willis> Gerrath,  or make a menu entry that dosent use the initrd ?
[03:28] <NixerX> Gerrath, What kernel is it now? 2.6.8?
[03:28] <biezt> so can anyone guide me throug the installation proces of gzip ?
[03:28] <Gerrath> if I can remount dev to the internal HD then I will be in good shape.
[03:28] <Gerrath> yes, its 2.6.8
[03:29] <jmob> biezt: gzip? don't you already have that installed?
[03:29] <biezt> i don't know, can't find it anywhere :O
[03:29] <Gerrath> I tried booting with out the initrd but it cant access the root fs.
[03:29] <unperson> mon, Ok, well, I'll have to take a look into the advantages of NFS to see if that's worth doing, but for the moment I just want to get samba working right.  Any idea the best way to mount it?
[03:29] <jmob> biezt: type ``which gzip'' at a console
[03:29] <NixerX> Gerrath, do you have root            (hd0,0) in menu list?
[03:30] <dr_willis> Gerrath,  i just recall that when i used gentoo. there was some mount command that moved the /dev/ from the live cd to the hard drives /dev/ but its been a while since ive messed witjh that stuff
[03:30] <NixerX> menu.lst
[03:30] <unperson> I used to just use LinNeightborhood to browse and mount samba shares when I was running Debian Testing, but it doesn't seem to work properly in ubuntu.
[03:30] <biezt> is says bin/gzip :O
[03:30] <biezt> so i can down .gz files and it just starts ?
[03:31] <unperson> I says that smbmnt must be installed suid root in order for users to mount samba shares.  I tried dpkg-reconfigure smbmnt and didn't get the option, so I'm not sure how to fix it.
[03:32] <mon> unperson: doesn't the "Network thingie" (not sure what it's called) automagicly discover them?
[03:32] <mon> unperson: it required zero configuration here
[03:32] <unperson> mon, You mean browsing the network with nautilus
[03:32] <Gerrath> NixerX, my Linux root is grub:(hd0,2), Kernel:(hda3)
[03:33] <jmob> biezt: then you do have it
[03:33] <unperson> mon, I'm able to browse the shares with nautilus, but I can't figure out how to actually mount them.
[03:33] <jmob> biezt: ubuntu should include a gnome tool for messing with archives
[03:33] <jmob> biezt: but you can read ``man gzip'' if you want to learn about the command line tool
[03:33] <biezt> and a ftp client ?
[03:33] <spikeb> why are you messing with gzip
[03:34] <spikeb> use synaptic to install gftp-gtk
[03:34] <spikeb> is a feature request considered a bug? heh
[03:34] <jmob> spikeb: usually
[03:34] <NetSKaVeN> anyone playing with Ubuntu LiveCD?
[03:34] <Gerrath> NixerX, Why did you ask the root question?
[03:35] <grepper> sjoerd, ah, guess I better stick with 2.6.8*  - no updates for hal in universe - not sure I want to mix with hoary
[03:35] <mon> unperson: i don't get it, you can browse them, but not mount them?
[03:35] <NixerX> cause you said it couldnt find root.
[03:35] <jmob> spikeb: since bug trackers double as task/project managers
[03:35] <spikeb> ok
[03:35] <anir> hey all
[03:35] <anir> how are you guys
[03:35] <wood1> Hi everybody
[03:35] <spikeb> i might file a bug about having a graphical  FTP client in hoary
[03:35] <spikeb> anir, just dandy :)
[03:35] <wood1> good to be at this chatroom
[03:36] <unperson> mon, Eh, I mean that I can look at the contents through nautilus, but it's not clear that they're mounted in such a way that other applications can access it through the file system.
[03:36] <Gerrath> it just cant mount the root since the kernel module for the FS is not loaded and is on the root file system so it can't be loaded.  Thats why the initrd is important to beat the chicken before the egg issue ;)
[03:36] <spikeb> wait, can't nautilus do ftp?
[03:36] <wood1> ogra, are you in there ?
[03:36] <ogra> yup
[03:36] <NixerX> Gerrath, gotcha.
[03:36] <spikeb> yes it can, to answer my question
[03:37] <wood1> Ogra, I can ssh to my Ubuntu PC from another PC using Windows XP using Putty
[03:37] <mon> unperson: ok i get it. you tried the mount command with -t smbfs?
[03:37] <wood1> But how do I copy files from the Ubuntu PC to the XP PC ??
[03:37] <spikeb> scp
[03:37] <mon> wood1: winscp
[03:37] <mon> or ftp if it doesn't have to be secure and a bit faster
[03:37] <wood1> thanks
[03:40] <NixerX> Gerrath, there was something in the gentoo stuff that allowed oyu to chroot from the live cd to the mounted root partition...let me see if I can find that...then maybe you can use dpkg or apt
[03:41] <unperson> mon, eh, let's get back to that in the a minute.  It looks like maybe there is a way to mount them with nautilus, but I can't figure out WHERE they're mounted.
[03:41] <jacobat> How easy is upgrading / security maintenance with ubuntu?
[03:41] <Gerrath> NixerX, Thanks that would be a big help.  I have been able to chroot but I get the /dev/null errors since it is tied to the live distro.
[03:41] <spikeb> very easy
[03:41] <jacobat> spikeb: Easy enough that my grandmother could do it?
[03:41] <spikeb> not quite.
[03:41] <mon> unperson: tried "mount" in a console?
[03:41] <jacobat> spikeb: I would prefer something easier than windowsupdate ;)
[03:42] <mon> unperson: seems logical to me too that it does get mounted, can't check now because i'm not in ubuntu
[03:42] <mon> jacobat: if you do it right, neither you or your grandmother will have to update :) set a weekly update and dist-upgrade in cron and you're done
[03:43] <wood1> mon, how do I use winscp? do I have to download it first ?
[03:43] <mon> wood1: i'd download it first before using it, yeah :)
[03:43] <mon> try google
[03:43] <NixerX> Gerrath, http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/2004.2/handbook-x86.xml?full=1
[03:43] <unperson> mon, Well, there's a "connect to server" option that puts a link on the desktop.  I assume that means it's mounting it, but I'm not sure.  Should it show up with df?
[03:43] <wood1> Well is  winscip a Linux command or a Windows command ?
[03:43] <spikeb> windows program
[03:43] <spikeb> hence the win
[03:44] <NixerX> Gerrath, not 100% sure if it will help you considering the env-update.
[03:44] <dr_willis> yea ive used that. it was a ftp-type client for windows that uses ssh to copy files back/forth right?
[03:44] <mon> unperson: i think you're right. and yes it should show up with df or mount
[03:44] <jacobat> mon: Is that safe? I mean... do you risk installing some upgrade that breaks the system that way?
[03:44] <biezt> gftp isn't installed is it ?
[03:44] <unperson> mon, With the terminal mount command here's the issue.  If the share is not already in /etc/fstab, then only root can mount them.  The difficulty is that the share is for my normal username, so when I try to mount it with sudo, samba sees root trying to mount it and refuses.
[03:45] <wood1> Well I am at the remote Ubuntu PC say:   wood1@ubuntu
[03:45] <mon> jacobat: i think it's pretty safe, i do it on my debian Sarge "server". ofcourse you could ssh into the box and do it manually each time
[03:45] <jacobat> mon: The problem is I would like to not have to
[03:45] <mon> jacobat: if you just stick to the "stable" ubuntu release, i don't think it will  go wrong
[03:45] <wood1> How do I copy files to my current Windows drive C ?
[03:45] <jacobat> mon: I would like to recommend Ubuntu to newbies who don't know Windows from Linux
[03:45] <mon> jacobat: either automaticly or manually, it's your choice :)
[03:45] <NixerX> wood1, ntfs or fat?
[03:46] <wood1> Just fat
[03:46] <jacobat> mon: And not have to manually service their systems
[03:46] <mon> jacobat: then a cron job wil do just fine i think. easier and better than Win update ;)
[03:46] <mon> jacobat: good thinking
[03:46] <jacobat> mon: Okay, thanks :)
[03:46] <NixerX> wood1, mount the drive and then drag and drop.
[03:46] <mon> jacobat: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AutoWeeklyUpdateHowTo/view?searchterm=cron
[03:46] <jacobat> mon: :)
[03:47] <mon> or well, skip the view? part
[03:47] <wood1> NixerX you mean mount the Ubuntu partition ?
[03:47] <mon> unperson: and using the "connect to server" option?
[03:48] <mon> wood1: are you talking 1 computer or 2?
[03:48] <kzetts> hi
[03:48] <wood1> Well I am now on the Windows PC now
[03:48] <unperson> mon, hmm...ok well, having used the connet to server option to make a link on my desktop, nothing shows up with df or mount -l.
[03:48] <kzetts> could someone help me out with something?
[03:48] <mon> unperson: click it first
[03:48] <mon> wood1: and...?
[03:49] <wood1> I am connected to the remote Ubuntu pc using Putty SSH
[03:49] <olimar> Any debian developer here?
[03:49] <olimar> Hi all btw ;)
[03:49] <mon> wood1: ok, then you need to use winscp on that windows box. just try it once, it's easy to figure out
[03:49] <NixerX> what is the plug in for mp3 playback?
[03:49] <mon> kzetts: don't ask to ask, just ask
[03:49] <wood1> I want to copy some files from the SSH prompt to a windows drive
[03:49] <kzetts> heh
[03:49] <kzetts> k
[03:50] <NixerX> wood1, I mean the windows partition. Im assuming you are dual booting...perhaps I shouldn't have assumed :).
[03:50] <mon> NixerX: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:50] <kzetts> i wanted to know if the stsock kernel for ubuntu came with the necessary phillips webcam drivers to run a pwc based camera?
[03:50] <Stuttergart> Has anyone seen an issue with Samba where creating new directories or new files on a shares takes maybe 10 or 15 seconds to complete?
[03:50] <CaPS_> NixerX, gstreamer0.8-mad .. it's in the 'universe' distribution module thingymabob
[03:50] <Stuttergart> but removing said files and directories happens instantly.
[03:50] <unperson> mon, Yeah, still nothing.  Hmm...I don't know.  Well, let me go to #debian and just see if I can figure out how to get smbmnt set suid root or something.
[03:50] <dr_willis> wood1,  that winscp may be easier to mess with.
[03:50] <mon> Stuttergart: no such problem here, perhaps you should file a bug
[03:51] <NixerX> mon CaPS_ thank yo.
[03:51] <dr_willis> Stuttergart,  you sure its not the wiondows box thats taking that time to just 'refresh' the listing?
[03:51] <Stuttergart> mon: I would but I can't even begin to figure out why this is happening, :\
[03:51] <mon> unperson: k, i'm not really into that smb stuff anyway :)
[03:51] <Stuttergart> No Windows box involved
[03:51] <mon> Stuttergart: that's what devs are for :)
[03:51] <Stuttergart> I'm making the share with share-admin
[03:51] <dr_willis> Stuttergart,  heh - that eliminates that potential issue then
[03:51] <mon> Stuttergart: hmm then why use samba?
[03:51] <Stuttergart> and testing on localhost with smbmount
[03:51] <dr_willis> mon,  hehe - i was just about to ask that.
[03:52] <Stuttergart> I need to export a share to another engineer and SMB *should* be the easiest way to do it.
[03:52] <Stuttergart> touch: setting times of `foo': Input/output error
[03:52] <mon> Stuttergart: perhaps i'm biased, but NFS is a LOT easier to setup imo
[03:53] <Stuttergart> mon: is there a tool that autoamates that in Hoary?
[03:53] <NixerX> mon, samba isnt all that bad. If you need to have it....
[03:53] <mon> Stuttergart: there's a howto on the ubuntu site iirc
[03:53] <Stuttergart> Frankly, I'm not a fan of NFS since you have to tweak hosts.allow and mess with /etc/exports yada yada yada
[03:53] <mon> NixerX: i'm not saying it's bad, i'd just rather use NFS if there's no windows involved
[03:53] <Stuttergart> not for quickie mobile use at least.
[03:54] <unperson> mon, I should note that in the past samba has been a breeze.  This is just some oddity of the way ubuntu is setup or just my lack of familiarity with the distro.
[03:54] <mon> Stuttergart: 1: have portmap running, 2: set directory to share in exports and you're done
[03:54] <mon> Stuttergart: smb.conf contains a looot more options :)
[03:54] <Stuttergart> Y, I'd rather not run portmap. ;)
[03:54] <mon> unperson: could be, i don't know much about samba...
[03:54] <Stuttergart> might forget and leave it running.
[03:54] <biezt> where does ubuntu download 2 and how can i unpack a tar.gz file ?
[03:54] <NixerX> mon, Yea. once you get a working config you reuse. Its pretty sweet.
[03:54] <Stuttergart> I'm on a lot of hostile networks. ;)
[03:55] <mon> i just think it's a little weird to use a MS protocol for something that can be done, well, different and easier
[03:55] <Stuttergart> Well, there may be some Windows boxes involved later then. ;-p
[03:55] <mon> Stuttergart: in that case you might need to set hosts.allow etc, but still that's not that hard
[03:56] <mon> aha :)
[03:56] <broodster> where do i get a rar archiver?
[03:56] <mon> in that case i leave it to the other guys, i'm no SMB expert
[03:57] <broodster> where do i get a rar archiver????
[03:57] <mon> broodster: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#unrar
[03:57] <mon> chill it
[03:57] <broodster> thank you
[03:57] <mon> that's all folks, i'll be back sometime :)
[03:58] <biezt> so where does ubuntu download 2 and how can i install a tar.gz file ?
[04:00] <jacobat> Am I be correct when I'm assuming that Ubuntu has a priority in making a limited and well thought out desktop for the user on a standard install?
[04:00] <jacobat> Nevermind the grammar bugs ;)
[04:01] <broodster> does ubuntu come with an mp3 player???
[04:01] <DJCarras> no
[04:01] <DJCarras> but you can install xmms player
[04:02] <broodster> thanks
[04:03] <DJCarras> nothing
[04:03] <jacobat> Does ubuntu come with a CD burning program as default?
[04:04] <DJCarras> nautilus do the burning job
[04:04] <DJCarras> but you can install k3b
[04:04] <thenuke> but not so manykind of burning jobs
[04:04] <DJCarras> or
[04:04] <broodster> Package w32codecs is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[04:04] <broodster> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[04:04] <broodster> is only available from another source
[04:04] <DJCarras> GToaster
[04:05] <jacobat> I've heard good things about k3b. Does it require a load of KDE libs to be installed also or?
[04:05] <NixerX> I have too many mp3's
[04:05] <cartman> jacobat yes it requires kdelibs
[04:06] <NixerX> jacobat, K3b is a great app. I think it dose.
[04:06] <cartman> jacobat and its best cd burner ever
[04:06] <spikeb> i have graveman installed :)
[04:07] <cartman> k3b is even better than Nero
[04:07] <cartman> ;)
[04:07] <dr_willis> k3b is very nicely well done
[04:07] <dr_willis> but i think nero handles a few things better. :O but then again. they got different design goals.
[04:07] <eazel7> I'm trying to use apt-build to build the xchat-2.4.1, I'm in warty
[04:07] <cartman> dr_willis well true like audio encoding
[04:08] <NixerX> cartman, I would have to agree...Hell it burns flac and ogg to cda for you if you want....
[04:08] <eazel7> but it wants to build the 2.0.x
[04:08] <dr_willis> cartman,  about to use Nero on a windows box to convert some video to dvd also.. not sure if k3b can handle that.
[04:08] <eazel7> how can I tell apt-build to build the 2.4.1?
[04:08] <dr_willis> Nero Makes it a 4 click and leave it alone for an hr. job. :P
[04:08] <Frafraxy> hi all
[04:08] <cartman> dr_willis if you have right tools, it can afaik
[04:08] <spikeb> heh yeah
[04:08] <NixerX> dr_willis, convert?
[04:08] <dr_willis> I need a program taht the wife can handle :p  hee hee
[04:08] <NixerX> dr_willis, lol
[04:08] <Frafraxy> frafra@frafra:~ $ glxgears
[04:08] <Frafraxy> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[04:08] <Frafraxy> Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
[04:08] <cartman> dr_willis k3b ;-)
[04:09] <NixerX> dr_willis, I hear ya bro!
[04:09] <dr_willis> good old Wedding videos.
[04:09] <cartman> Frafraxy you miss dri
[04:09] <cartman> Frafraxy if nVidia you are missing glx
[04:09] <Frafraxy> it's ati
[04:09] <Frafraxy> radeon 9600 pro
[04:09] <cartman> dri then
[04:09] <anir> hi guys
[04:09] <NixerX> anir, hello
[04:10] <Frafraxy> i've execute the wiki page of ubuntu, for agp on ati cards
[04:10] <Frafraxy> and it was ok
[04:10] <dr_willis> actually im not sure how you get the video FROM the 'firewire' camcorder to the pc to use with k3b. :P
[04:10] <cartman> you guys know what k3b stands for ?
[04:10] <cartman> k3b == KDE Burn Baby Burn
[04:10] <Frafraxy> but it doesn't work good with tuxracer
[04:10] <cartman> hehe
[04:11] <anir> nixerx: how are you.?? well can u tell me is SUSE is only for server use or home use too??
[04:11] <Frafraxy> i've resetted XF86Config
[04:11] <spikeb> anir, i can tell you that you can use it at home
[04:11] <Frafraxy> and now i can't use agp
[04:11] <dr_willis> anir,  it can do either
[04:11] <NixerX> anir, It can be for a desktop as well as server.
[04:11] <dr_willis> i use it as my home desktop server. :P
[04:11] <NixerX> anir, Personally I dont like it.
[04:12] <anir> and fedora??
[04:12] <NixerX> anir, same.
[04:12] <spikeb> i wouldnt use it as a server
[04:12] <anir> okay nixerx why dont u like it??
[04:12] <dr_willis> ive had little issues with SUSE. of course ive had little issues with most all the 'mondern' disrtos.
[04:12] <Frafraxy> frafra@frafra:~ $ bzflag
[04:12] <Frafraxy> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[04:12] <Frafraxy> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[04:12] <Frafraxy> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[04:12] <Frafraxy> Can't create window.  Exiting.
[04:12] <Frafraxy> it doesn't work
[04:12] <Frafraxy> can you help me?
[04:13] <NixerX> anir, the big thing is the prive tag and upgrading is a pain. IMHO
[04:13] <NixerX> anir, I much prefer Ubuntu on the desktop and Debian on Servers.
[04:13] <Benjamin_L> is tehre a way to change this http://ubuntuguide.org/#permanentlydisableenableboot-upservice without displaying "permission denied" all the time ?
[04:14] <anir> nixerx: have u tried linspire or xandros
[04:14] <BiasD> just apt-get upgraded to all new Hoary packages, got new X.org and 6629 nvidia drivers on 2.6.9 kernel
[04:14] <BiasD> my mouse wheel dont work anymore
[04:14] <BiasD> any ideas?
[04:14] <anir> i am looking for a good desktop distro..
[04:14] <NixerX> anir, No. My boss like Xandros. But to me is violates the concept of open source.
[04:14] <kzetts> ya
[04:14] <kzetts> you need to edit your xfree config
[04:14] <BiasD> i was running X.org with older nvidia drivers fine
[04:14] <anir> nixerx: what law?
[04:14] <BiasD> and my mouse wheel worked
[04:14] <anir> oops concept
[04:15] <BiasD> just something in the upgrade in the last couple weeks
[04:15] <kzetts> BiasD: edit your xfree config
[04:15] <kzetts> theres 2 line you ned to add
[04:15] <BiasD> well xorg.conf
[04:15] <BiasD> got the ZAxisMapping stuff in there
[04:15] <dr_willis> Xandros is decently well done but  Linspire has 'issues' :P
[04:15] <kzetts> hold
[04:15] <NixerX> anir, no laws..just the fundamentals. :)
[04:15] <kzetts> k
[04:15] <kzetts> u got the Buttons options?
[04:16] <dr_willis> of course compare any of these disrtos with the state of Linux say 3 y ears ago.. and egads - weve come a long way!
[04:16] <BiasD> whats the Buttons option?
[04:16] <anir> nixerx: well u r trying to say that it should be distributed free..??,,
[04:16] <BiasD> im just using the same xorg.conf that was working a couple weeks ago
[04:16] <kzetts> add Option "Buttons" "5"
[04:16] <BiasD> ahh, k
[04:16] <NixerX> anir, IMHO if you want to use linux use a GPL Open Source Distro and donate a sopme $$ to the Developers.
[04:16] <kzetts> with five buttons
[04:16] <kzetts> it adds the up and down scrools
[04:17] <BiasD> k, that should be on the wiki or something
[04:17] <anir> nixerx: which one do u prefer KDE or GONME
[04:17] <BiasD> cuz it was working fine previously without that option
[04:17] <kzetts> heh
[04:17] <BiasD> gonna test that, brb
[04:17] <NixerX> anir, I go both ways there.. KDE is REALLY nice.
[04:17] <kzetts> well, i used to run slackware, and you have to configure every little thing
[04:17] <kzetts> and thats just something that i remember
[04:18] <anir> nixerx: in ubutu u r using KDE or GNOME??
[04:18] <unperson> anir, KDE definitely seems to have more apps, but that can also make it seem a bit cluttered at times.
[04:18] <HcE> what is the correct hostmask for a 1/4 C-net?
[04:18] <NixerX> anir, Gnome 2.8
[04:18] <anir> cool
[04:18] <HcE> ex: <IP_ADDRESS>/26?
[04:18] <NixerX> anir,  thats the default.
[04:18] <anir> yes.i am also using ubuntu
[04:19] <NixerX> anir, If I may ask, Why are you looking into Xandros and Suse?
[04:20] <anir> i love ubuntu but still think it lack something.. may be because i am new to linux environment and dont know much about it..
[04:20] <Benjamin_L> anyone disabled some bootup services already ? maybe someone can help me
[04:20] <kzetts> suse is nub
[04:20] <NixerX> anir, What is it that you feel its lacking? maybe I can help.
[04:20] <biezt> so can anyone guide me through installing glftpd without the packet manager ?
[04:20] <biezt> cause the packet manager doesn't find it
[04:20] <kzetts> so?
[04:20] <NixerX> kzetts, we all cant start on slackware :)
[04:21] <BiasD> wheel mouse still not working. its a Logitech MouseMan using IMPS/2
[04:21] <kzetts> lol
[04:21] <anir> nixerx: i cant run word.. though i am using WINE..is there any better option than that? and about games
[04:21] <BiasD> I tried the Buttons option in xorg.conf and Emulate3Buttons false
[04:21] <kzetts> i actually started on sse 8.2
[04:21] <unperson> anir, Thre's crossover office, if you want to shell out a few bucks.
[04:21] <BiasD> still not working, worked fine before the last apt-get upgrade
[04:21] <kzetts> suse*
[04:21] <kzetts> sorry Biasd
[04:21] <NixerX> anir, Check out Crossover office or transgaming if you MUST have those things.
[04:22] <NixerX> kzetts, Me too. as you can prolly tell. :)
[04:22] <unperson> anir, You've checked out openoffice and abiword already?
[04:22] <kzetts> ya i use cedega for gaming, suck that you have to pay
[04:22] <anir> nixerx: and about configuring my system..
[04:22] <unperson> anir, I find for my purposes openoffice works fine say 90% of the time.
[04:22] <NixerX> anir, yea..
[04:23] <anir> unperson: yes i am using openoffice..
[04:23] <NixerX> we havr 600/1000 users deplyed on Openoffice
[04:23] <mmx_> ssa
[04:23] <NixerX> anir, what about configuring your systems?
[04:24] <kzetts> ya, progression of distros, Suse(cra) <Debian < Slackware(mmm, control :)) <Ubuntu(mmm, debian)
[04:24] <anir> NixerX: i cant run my tv card.. may be thats not soo important for me.. but its for self satisfaction
[04:24] <NixerX> anir, You bought the card...so you should be able to use it. What kind of card?
[04:25] <kzetts> the only problem i have with ubuntu is th elack of support for my cam, and i really dont feel like recompiling my kernel just for a webcam
[04:25] <anir> NixerX: i have downloaded firefox1.0 installed it but dont know where it is installed and cant run it
[04:25] <anir> well it s a pci card
[04:25] <kzetts> anir
[04:25] <NixerX> kzetts, Mine is Slack3.6----->Slack10--->Debian--->ubuntu..must be getting lazy in my old age :)
[04:25] <kzetts> type mozilla-firefox" or if you compiled from source, it will be in /home/<user>/firefox/firefox.sh
[04:26] <anir> kzetts:yes
[04:26] <NixerX> anir, I dunno why you didnt use universe for Firefox :)
[04:26] <anir> and i dont know how to compile kernel..
[04:26] <help_please> hi all
[04:27] <anir> NixerX: its already installed..but i cant run it
[04:27] <help_please> Java script does not opens in my Mozilla Firefox
[04:27] <NixerX> anir, is xawtv installes?
[04:27] <help_please> what's the solution to that ?
[04:27] <anir> yes xawtv is installed NixerX
[04:27] <anir> NixerX: how to configure it
[04:28] <NixerX> anir, if memory serves there is a xawtv configure option.... do man xawtv in a terminal.
[04:28] <unperson> help_please, Java applets or javascript?
[04:29] <NixerX> help_please, What do you mean. Javascript?
[04:29] <NixerX> unperson good question :)
[04:29] <unperson> help_please, javascript should work fine, unless you checked the option to disable it.
[04:29] <biezt> so i downed the tgz from glftpd, now how do i run it ?
[04:30] <unperson> help_please, That's in edit->preferences->web features
[04:30] <anir> NixerX: so how will i configure it??
[04:30] <biezt> help me plz !!
[04:31] <NixerX> anir, dose it say nayhting in the manpage about scannin channels?
[04:31] <unperson> anir, if you're shopping for distros you might also give Mandrake a look.  I like ubuntu more, because it doesn't seem as bloated and cluttered, but mandrake is pretty user friendly.
[04:31] <nordle> Hello, is it possible to install Ubuntu-AMD64 on /dev/hdb2, where the 3 partitions on the second hard disk are all primary, and then get grub to install on /dev/hda MBR?  I ask because I have installed ubuntu successfully on /dev/hda2 and grub on the mbr of hda, but when I try hdb2 grub fails to do anything when the PC us booted, it sais "grub stage 1.5 please wait..." then does nothing for 5 mins.  Does it matter that grub is on hda and ubuntu is on hdb?  O
[04:31] <nordle> r could the error be cause by having 3 primary partitions on hdb, rather than logical?  Any ideas please?
[04:31] <NixerX> biezt, are you compiling an ftp server?
[04:32] <dr_willis> nordle,  shoudlent matter. sounds like the grub menu/config is messed up/confused
[04:32] <AMIGrAve> is there a way under ubuntu to copy a DVD iso and burn it back to another DVD ?
[04:32] <NixerX> AMIGrAve, you have to "shrink" the DVD to fit on to the DVD-R
[04:32] <dr_willis> AMIGrAve,  you could 'dd' the dvd to a file. then burn it to a different disk perhaps.
[04:32] <dr_willis> Oh - a 'stamped' dvd..
[04:33] <dr_willis> those are bigger arent they.
[04:33] <biezt> nixerx yes
[04:33] <NixerX> dr_willis, your idea would work...
[04:33] <NixerX> biezt, why this particular ftp server?
[04:33] <nordle> dr_willis: I should have mentioned that on hda it was ubuntu i386, and its the amd64 version which wont boot on hdb (with grub still hda)....mmmmm ok, I will check grub now (mount partition from other distro) thanks.
[04:33] <biezt> cuz my friend says it's the best !!
[04:34] <AMIGrAve> NixerX: it is not a movie, my father bought a gps navigation dvd but he want to use a backup instead of the original to avoid glitches on the original dvd
[04:34] <anir> NixerX: actually there is no option menu here
[04:34] <biezt> i just need to learn how to install things without the packet manager :P
[04:34] <biezt> i have the file in my home
[04:35] <NixerX> biezt, tar -xvzf the tarball. and ./configure&& make and make install as root.
[04:35] <NixerX> biezt, Consult the README and the INSTALL files for tips ok?
[04:35] <AMIGrAve> dr_willis: i first tought about dd, but after googling i saw that it was not the good method because (as it was said and I find it strange) dd wouldn't stop at the end of the image or somthing like that and they told that in order to use dd, the result of the command isosize should be used for the count argument of dd, anyway i don't find isosize in ubuntu
[04:36] <NixerX> anir, it has been a long time since I used a TV card. but it was a WinTC card by happauge.
[04:36] <dr_willis> google for isosize :P
[04:36] <dr_willis> i just use dd on data cd's mainly the cd-burning howto mentions the right way to do it.
[04:36] <anir> NixerX: k ..thankx
[04:36] <jmob> biezt: I'd suggest using checkinstall with source packages
[04:36] <jmob> biezt: makes them much easier to clean up
[04:36] <NixerX> AMIGrAve, maybe lookinto growisofs
[04:36] <NixerX> jmob, good suggestion.
[04:37] <jmob> biezt: apt-get install checkinstall; ./configure && make && checkinstall -yD make install
[04:37] <NixerX> check install is a beautiful thing
[04:38] <biezt> i already did the tar thing :P
[04:39] <biezt> but he doesn't do anything with /configure
[04:39] <NixerX> biezt, did you read the INSTALL file?
[04:39] <biezt> ow the dir is in my home
[04:39] <NixerX> cd into the dir.
[04:40] <AMIGrAve> NixerX: IIRC growisofs will make an iso from a directory and pipe it to dvdrecord, anyway I want to get the exact iso and burn it back, because perhaps the dvd won't work if modified
[04:41] <NixerX> AMIGrAve, mkisofs always works for me.
[04:41] <biezt> which is the install file i only see a file with update info :P
[04:41] <NixerX> hmm.
[04:41] <biezt> how do i go to home fro home/user ?
[04:41] <NixerX> biezt, did you grab the source tarball?
[04:42] <NixerX> cd /home/usernme
[04:42] <biezt> the tarball is the dir it's in ?
[04:42] <NixerX> the tarball is the tar.gz file.
[04:42] <NixerX> how did you extract the tar.gz file?
[04:43] <biezt> tar -xvzy file
[04:43] <biezt> or something :P
[04:43] <nakee> hmm
[04:43] <NixerX> tar -xvzf :)
[04:43] <biezt> so now there's in my home/user a dir with the files
[04:43] <NixerX> that should make a new dir in the same directory
[04:44] <NixerX> biezt, ok cd into that directory
[04:45] <AMIGrAve> dr_willis: you're right, I should have checked it before, it's 6 Go long, so I won't be able to bakcup it
[04:45] <AMIGrAve> dr_willis: thanks
[04:45] <biezt> he doesn't go there :S
[04:45] <NixerX> biezt, what error do you get?
[04:45] <biezt> the dir is glftd-LNX_2.00
[04:46] <biezt> no such dir :S
[04:46] <dr_willis> AMIGrAve,  Lol
[04:46] <dr_willis> AMIGrAve,  time for a doublelayer dvd.
[04:46] <biezt> lawl forgot a letter :P
[04:46] <biezt> so i'm in there :O
[04:47] <NixerX> is there an INSTALL file?
[04:47] <biezt> should i run glinstall.sh ?
[04:47] <NixerX> biezt, read any install or readme files.
[04:49] <AMIGrAve> dr_willis: should have ask it for christmas ;-)
[04:49] <biezt> i can't find any files with install :O
[04:49] <dr_willis> AMIGrAve,  been lookling at the dual layer dvd burners. they are decently priced. but the DISKS cost too much
[04:49] <NixerX> well i guess you can run the install script. Im not makin any promises!
[04:50] <biezt> which is the install script ?
[04:50] <biezt> the .sh
[04:50] <biezt> i'm a total linux noob :P
[04:50] <biezt> :(
[04:50] <NixerX> biezt, yea thats the one.
[04:51] <biezt> how do i go up one dir from docs to the one before ?
[04:51] <NixerX> cd ..
[04:51] <biezt> it was dr i thougt on windows
[04:51] <biezt> l
[04:52] <biezt> and how do i run the .sh file
[04:52] <biezt> which command ?
[04:52] <NixerX> sh filename.sh
[04:55] <NixerX> how do I set gnome to open folders in one window rather than a new on each time?
[04:59] <anir> how do i know that my tv card is installed or not????
[04:59] <biezt> how do i uninstall the program ?
[04:59] <NixerX> anir, computer->system configuration->device manager. See if its in there
[04:59] <NixerX> biezt, did you use checkinstall?
[05:00] <nordle> Has anyone experiences installing a distro and having grub freeze on boot, like this example http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/post-146452.html
[05:00] <biezt> no
[05:00] <biezt> this is just a test :P
[05:00] <biezt> so i should install checkinstall next time ?
[05:01] <anir> SAA7130 VIDEO BROADCAST DECODER.. IS THIS A TV CARD??
[05:01] <NixerX> biezt, you should consult the web site :)
[05:02] <sjoerd> anir: don't shout
[05:02] <NixerX> anir Looks like it maybe. Google it.
[05:03] <anir> sjoerd: i am sorry i didnt realise that my caps was on..sorry
[05:03] <sjoerd> anir: the saa71XX stuff are mostly tuner chipsets, so it's probably a tuner
[05:04] <anir> sjoerd: thankj you
[05:04] <broodster> UBUNTU ROCKS
[05:05] <broodster> sorry just had to say that =P
[05:06] <siretart> is someone else having problems with evolution from hoary?
[05:06] <siretart> it still segfaults for me :(
[05:06] <anir> can i play windows games in linux using WINE
[05:07] <Ribs> anir, cedega is better suited to the task
[05:07] <siretart> anir: have a look at http://transgaming.com
[05:07] <Ribs> but is not free
[05:08] <anir> ribs: where i will get cedega??
[05:09] <anir> oops
[05:09] <Ribs> anir, see the link siretart gave yo
[05:09] <Ribs> u
[05:10] <anir> yes ribs i am checking it
[05:10] <cartman> is there a lilo bmp for Ubuntu?
[05:10] <anir> but i am having  a feeling that linux is not for gaming
[05:12] <broodster> windows is better suited for gaming
[05:12] <broodster> that's why i have windows on my computer
[05:12] <broodster> just for gaming
[05:12] <davyd> hey hey!
[05:13] <davyd> quick q, is there a hoary netinst CD?
[05:13] <biezt> how can i read which programs are installed on my pc ?
[05:14] <siretart> anir: I managed to avoid windows for gaming a long time ago. There are quite a lot of games working great, even without cedega. Currently I use cedega for warcraft3
[05:14] <davyd> biezt: dpkg --get-selections
[05:14] <davyd> or dpkg -l for a nicer list
[05:14] <anir> so what linux is for???
[05:14] <davyd> anir: hacking into elite mainframes ;)
[05:15] <cartman> anir linux is good for anything but rule of thumb is "use whats the best for you"
[05:15] <anir> okay half life, doom, unreal, comandos all ll work??
[05:15] <anir> cartman: thats right
[05:18] <Zindar> anir: don't expect windows programs to work as good under linux as under windows... they are made for windows...
[05:18] <Zindar> anir: the same way, dont expect linux program to work on windows
[05:18] <Zindar> so...if you're a games.. stick with windows... it will save you headache
[05:18] <Zindar> gamer
[05:19] <anir> another problem.. consider i dont have net connection.. then where i will get the softwares of ubuntu??
[05:19] <anir> as i am downloading it now form the net
[05:19] <Zindar> anir: on cd
[05:19] <siretart> anir: doom1-3 are working great, unreal classic, ut2k3 and ut2k4 too.
[05:19] <siretart> anir: transgaming promises halflife and hl2 working with cedega, but I didnt test it (no hl fan)
[05:19] <anir> siretart: but the problem is the i am unable to install them on linux..
[05:20] <anir> do i have to use  wine?
[05:20] <siretart> anir: for ut2k3/ut2k4 there is an installer on cd3 for linux
[05:20] <cartman> anir yes or cedega
[05:20] <siretart> anir: for quake3 and doom3 there are pointreleases available
[05:20] <anir> zinder: where will i get the cds?? as my friend wants to install ubuntu but he doesnot have net connection
[05:21] <cartman> anir check www.ubuntulinux.org
[05:21] <anir> well does all the software come with the installation cd??
[05:21] <siretart> anir: http://archive.ubuntu.com/cdimage
[05:22] <siretart> anir: only sections main and restricted. the rest of the universe is to be downloaded
[05:22] <anir> oh..
[05:24] <spikeb> its on the same cd the windows installer is for me
[05:24] <Gerrath> I want to boot with the Ubuntu live CD and then chroot to an existing Linux system, everything works fine but any program that tries to access /dev/null crashes becuase /dev/null can not be written to.  The permissions are set correctly (666).
[05:24] <Gerrath> how do I work around this?
[05:24] <miguellinux> Hi, I need to install ubuntu linux on a amd64 with a RAID 0 SATA, but it find the drives as sda and not as a md units
[05:24] <Gerrath> I can write to /dev/null from the main boot but no from the chroot shell.
[05:25] <davyd> miguellinux: that sounds about right
[05:25] <davyd> md is the designation for software raid
[05:25] <davyd> and you're doing hardware raid on the sata disks right?
[05:25] <Setite> time to order the last parts for my linux rig
[05:25] <Setite> sadly... i will have to dual boot
[05:26] <Setite> cedega doesnt have surround sound... and that just wont do
[05:26] <miguellinux> davyd: well I did some config on the bios... as stripe0 and stripe1
[05:26] <davyd> miguellinux: and now they appear as one single sd disk?
[05:26] <Setite> davyd... good name... dont agree on the spelling though
[05:27] <davyd> setite: hmm?
[05:27] <miguellinux> davyd: nop they apear as 2 sd separate units
[05:27] <setite> nvm
[05:27] <davyd> miguellinux: sounds like you have something set up wrong then... I've never used those built in raid thingos some motherboards have
[05:27] <davyd> only ever software raid or real Adaptec raid
[05:28] <davyd> setite: do you mean my name? I kinda didn't choose it, I wasn't really involved in the discussion ;)
[05:29] <miguellinux> davyd: it is an MSI-6741
[05:29] <davyd> miguellinux: that doesn't mean a lot to me, what is the northbridge chipset? Intel i865 or something AMD or what?
[05:30] <setite> davyd... just thought the spelling was off :)
[05:30] <miguellinux> davyd: K8T800
[05:30] <miguellinux> via
[05:30] <davyd> setite: it makes me distinctive ;)
[05:31] <davyd> setite: also, it happens to be my name
[05:31] <davyd> miguellinux: hmm, I would google on it, see what you can find out
[05:31] <davyd> like I said, I've never used it
[05:31] <davyd> on the real RAID hardware, you configure your arrays, and they appear as SCSI disks
[05:31] <davyd> one for each array
[05:32] <miguellinux> davyd: a newbie question... the normal SATA without a RAID appears as ide disks?
[05:32] <davyd> miguellinux: for me they appear as scsi disks
[05:33] <davyd> from a physical layer point of view, SATA looks a lot more like SCSI then it does like IDE
[05:33] <davyd> my SATA disk appears as /dev/sda
[05:33] <davyd> my USB cdburner is /dev/scd
[05:34] <davyd> this is what real hardware raid looks like when it boots:
[05:34] <davyd> scsi0 : Vendor: Adaptec  Model: 2100S            FW:370F
[05:34] <davyd>   Vendor: SEAGATE   Model: ST336607LW        Rev: 0006
[05:34] <davyd>   Type:   Direct-Access                      ANSI SCSI revision: 03
[05:34] <davyd>   Vendor: ADAPTEC   Model: RAID-5            Rev: 370F
[05:34] <davyd>   Type:   Direct-Access                      ANSI SCSI revision: 02
[05:34] <davyd> Attached scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
[05:34] <davyd> Attached scsi disk sdb at scsi0, channel 0, id 1, lun 0
[05:34] <davyd> SCSI device sda: 71687355 512-byte hdwr sectors (36704 MB)
[05:34] <davyd> Partition check:
[05:34] <davyd>  sda: sda1
[05:34] <davyd> SCSI device sdb: 143372288 512-byte hdwr sectors (73407 MB)
[05:34] <davyd>  sdb: sdb1
[05:36] <Count0> Hi there, does anyone know why the Warty Live CD does not run?
[05:36] <FallenHitokiri> i compiled my kernel with speedstep, acpi and apm. if my notebook runs with the batery, it only runs 2.20hours. but with windows it runs nearly 5 hours. cpudyn is running.
[05:36] <maney> you could try doing a minimal Woody install from, say, Sutch's mini-CD, then upgrading to Warty  :-)
[05:37] <miguellinux> davyd: mm then ubuntu installer is passing throught the RAID config of the motherboard
[05:37] <miguellinux> davyd: thanks I will google for the proper drivers of the raid card
[05:37] <davyd> FallenHitokiri: you want to try something like laptop mode for turning your disk off
[05:37] <maney> Count0: I had a scratched CDRW that would boot just far enough to make me think it was some hardware related hang  :-/
[05:38] <FallenHitokiri> davyd: and how can I do this
[05:38] <davyd> FallenHitokiri: I can get about 2.5 hours from my laptop, compared to about 2 hours in Windows
[05:38] <davyd> FallenHitokiri: I'm not sure if laptop mode is configured in Ubuntu (I'm going to find out nice and soon when I install it on my laptop ;)
[05:38] <Count0> maney: burnt it twice, MD5 fits, no diffs between Image and disk. I am clueless.. :(
[05:39] <FallenHitokiri> http://www.hopelesscom.de/temp/config that's my kernel-config if it would help to find out
[05:39] <davyd> however, there is a shell script that sets appropriate settings to make the disks power down when not needed, and cache their writes
[05:39] <davyd> stuff like that
[05:39] <Count0> My problem is, that GRUB is coming up and quits with "Error 21"
[05:39] <Count0> I don't like grub, eitger ;)
[05:39] <davyd> Count0: aah, the "Grub hates me" phenominon
[05:39] <davyd> it's surprising how often that comes up
[05:40] <Count0> davy: yep.
[05:40] <FallenHitokiri> davyd: laptop-mode start starts the laptopmode
[05:40] <maney> Count0: oh, that's 'way early.  nah, grub is nice... so much so that I haven't a clue what 21 means
[05:40] <davyd> FallenHitokiri: cool, anyway, there are lots of docs on optimising power usage
[05:40] <davyd> have a bit of a google
[05:40] <Count0> maney: Its half of 42, which is the answer, I suppose ;)
[05:40] <maney> in fact I saw a two-digit boot error and, before I read the rest of it, assumed it must be another Lilo hang  :-)
[05:41] <davyd> Ubuntu does quite a bit of it, but there is still heaps more I imagine
[05:41] <davyd> turning screen brightness down helps a lot ;)
[05:41] <davyd> man, I'm not going to see this CD image before 3am
[05:42] <Count0> I'd like to give Ununtu a try, usually I have debian sarge, but for customers, I think Ubuntu is more pleasant....
[05:43] <Count0> ...but I am not ready to give a partition on one of my boxes to it...
[05:43] <davyd> Count0: vmware ;)
[05:43] <miguellinux> Do somebody knows if Ubuntu amd-64 supports VIA SATA VT8237 ?
[05:43] <Count0> @davy: That's expensive, is ti?
[05:43] <davyd> Count0: about $400 for a linux desktop license I think, but there is a free 30 day trial ;)
[05:44] <davyd> there are also free alternatives like qemu
[05:44] <davyd> or running it inside a UML
[05:44] <Count0> davyd: uck. I get a cheaper PC if i try...
[05:45] <davyd> I use vmware for things like that, because work paid for a license for me
[05:45] <Count0> davyd: lucky you, I am freelancer;)
[05:45] <Count0> gotta pay all myself
[05:45] <davyd> it's a useful product if you spend a lot of time needing random features from other systems
[05:46] <davyd> especially that 'other OS'
[05:46] <Count0> davyd: I know, but that's way from my primary business
[05:46] <davyd> Count0: lucky you ;)
[05:46] <davyd> I'm meant to be trialling linux based exchange replacements
[05:46] <davyd> for outlook compatibility and such
[05:47] <davyd> but I just don't have the heart
[05:47] <Count0> davyd: Uck-yuk, M$ Xchange ... I usually recommend phpGroupware or PHProjekt, they rock!
[05:48] <davyd> there is a want for Outlook
[05:48] <maney> miguellinux: maybe - Warty's kernel appear to include the sata_via module, at any rate
[05:48] <Count0> davyd: yes, unfortunately ... but afaik you can make quite a money with that.
[05:49] <Count0> Well, anyway, a *working* Ubuntu live boot would make thiungs easier to me ... why is it always me :(
[05:50] <davyd> Count0: because grub is a pos?
[05:50] <maney> miguellinux: but that may not have much of anything to do with the RAID - cheap IDE RAID is usually software-based (BIOS & OS driver), not like "real hradware" that runs its software independently of the host CPU
[05:51] <davyd> maney: really? that's pretty nasty
[05:51] <Count0> davyd: well, I wouldn't care if it would work. Usually, all the live boots do it on ma box.
[05:51] <Quazion> anyone know a tool to compers jpg's without loss of quality ?
[05:51] <Quazion> it can be done with the gimp, but not really easy...
[05:52] <davyd> Quazion: something in imagemagick perhaps?
[05:52] <Quazion> maybe
[05:52] <Quazion> i will check it out
[05:52] <krrh> I've got a boot problem with the install and liveCDs. When my PCI video card is set as primary in the BIOS, both CDs fail to boot. When I set onboard video as primary, all boots well. Might anyone know how to solve this, so my PCI card can work with linux? (It's an Intel 845G board and an ATI 9200 PCI card.)
[05:52] <Quazion> thanks davyd
[05:52] <maney> davyd: that's why they're cheaper than real RAID cards  ;-)
[05:52] <Count0> Anyway, I have to get another box out to test the live boot, maybe it works on my PII or my Celeron box...
[05:52] <davyd> maney: I thought they were just slow and dodgy
[05:52] <davyd> and only able to handle the two drives
[05:52] <davyd> which is why they were cheaper
[05:53] <maney> grub error 21: selected disk does not exist
[05:53] <Count0> ...I usually never switch off. Anyway, ThX alot, I come back if those two boxes have a grub error, too - or if they simply run ;)
[05:53] <maney> may be a confused BIOS
[05:54] <Quenyar> having difficulty in getting a java virtual machine to run
[05:54] <Quazion> davyd, i installed imagemagick package how to use? ;)
[05:54] <davyd> Quenyar: what's wrong with it?
[05:54] <Quazion> i lets read the docs
[05:54] <davyd> Quenyar: have you followed the instructions on the wiki?
[05:54] <Quazion> seems it are small programs
[05:54] <davyd> Quazion: man convert is a good start
[05:54] <Count0> maney: hmm, that makes only little sense, for grub starts from the CD, so the /dev/hd... should be OK...
[05:54] <davyd> Quazion: yes
[05:54] <Quazion> thanks :)
[05:54] <davyd> convert is probably the one you want
[05:55] <maney> Count0: grub uses its own syntax and talks to the disks by BIOS number, so there's a certain amount of guesswork
[05:55] <Quenyar> well, I run the executable and it marches off and appears to be "preparing virtual machine" but then it just stops without any further message.  No I haven't followed the wikki procedure - can you be more specific?
[05:55] <KreacH> hi
[05:56] <davyd> Quenyar: the wiki procedure for installing java
[05:56] <Count0> maney: oh, bummer... I usually test live's on my Laptop, but I really need it day by day...
[05:56] <davyd> I seem to be able to run java programs fine...
[05:56] <KreacH> the installing gave a lot of i/o errors, but everything works .... is this normal ?
[05:56] <Count0> Anyway, I 'll give the live a try on my other boxes, maybe that will end up to something good. ThX!
[05:57] <maney> Count0: oh, is it a laptop it's failing on?  laptops are still voted most likely to do something weird  :-(
[05:57] <davyd> KreacH: no
[05:57] <Quenyar> No I haven't but I will look for them.  I just went into synamptic and installed the java components that seemed to make sense...
[05:57] <krrh> Anyone have thoughts on the problem I mentioned above?
[05:57] <davyd> KreacH: you either have, bad media, a bad cdrom or a bad harddisk
[05:57] <davyd> or possible bad logic
[05:57] <Count0> maney: well,  mine does whatever^I want him to do, because I have the Source code ;)
[05:57] <danitus> i need fast help :(
[05:57] <danitus> how to setup a network
[05:58] <Count0> danitus: That's a huge question, can you give a little mor detail?
[05:58] <davyd> danitus: there is a network config tool
[05:58] <danitus> i just noticed...
[05:58] <Danko123456> Yo....
[05:58] <Quenyar> but now I have a new problem.... :-)  My cursor has become a two sided box with a plus in it and I can't do anything but add text to the irc chat window
[05:58] <Danko123456> :)
[05:58] <danitus> >.<
[05:59] <Danko123456> Does anyone have some kind of a workaround for printers?
[05:59] <KreacH> the installing gave a lot of i/o errors, is this normal since everything works ?
[05:59] <davyd> Danko123456: what are you working around?
[05:59] <Count0> Danko123456: cups.
[05:59] <Danko123456> I have an Epson Stylus CX5400
[05:59] <davyd> KreacH: no
[05:59] <Danko123456> And I want to make it work.
[05:59] <Danko123456> :)
[05:59] <davyd> Danko123456: I have a working Epson CX3500
[05:59] <Danko123456> But it is not.
[05:59] <KreacH> davyd : so this means my hd is broken ?
[06:00] <davyd> Danko123456: let me try to remember what you'll need
[06:00] <Danko123456> Cool...How did you get it to work?
[06:00] <davyd> KreacH: perhaps... do you have a copy of the error?
[06:00] <Danko123456> Take your time, please...
[06:00] <KreacH> i/o error on central block 1 or 2 or 3 or something
[06:01] <KreacH> but now everything works and it was just with updating
[06:01] <Count0> Well, folks, thanks for now, I have to get some supplies for tomorrow...
[06:01] <davyd> Danko123456: ok, you at least need foomatic-db-gimp-print installed
[06:01] <Danko123456> I need the exact commands, or instructions.
[06:02] <Danko123456> apt-get install foomatic-db-gimp-print
[06:02] <Danko123456> ?
[06:02] <davyd> Danko123456: yeah that's good
[06:02] <Danko123456>  You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[06:02] <Danko123456> thats what it says....
[06:03] <maney> probably good idea to do that, then  ;-)
[06:03] <Danko123456> Just did, and still same error.
[06:03] <Danko123456> foomatic-db-gimp-print is already the newest version.
[06:03] <Danko123456> This is what it says on top.
[06:03] <davyd> ok
[06:04] <Danko123456> Should I try with synaptic?
[06:04] <KreacH> now it doesn't give problems :O
[06:04] <maney> that part's okay - says you already have it
[06:04] <Danko123456> Yeah, I guess....
[06:04] <Danko123456> :)
[06:04] <davyd> Danko123456: do you have a list of Epson printers when you try to add the printer?
[06:04] <Danko123456> Yes, I do.
[06:04] <Danko123456> I added two already...
[06:04] <Danko123456> C80
[06:04] <Danko123456> C82
[06:05] <KreacH> so what is checkinstall and how can i uninstall with it ?
[06:05] <Danko123456> The ink is same for C82 (color) and C80(black.)
[06:05] <davyd> is there something vaguely close to the CX5400 there?
[06:05] <davyd> eg. I'm using CX-3200 for mine
[06:05] <Danko123456> Well, those two...
[06:05] <Danko123456> Yeah, maybeI should try with that one...
[06:06] <Danko123456> k, Ill try a couple more.
[06:06] <davyd> here are my notes: http://www.livejournal.com/users/davyd/128433.html
[06:06] <Danko123456> I mean the printer prints....but its all screwy...
[06:06] <Danko123456> thanks.
[06:06] <davyd> screwy how?
[06:06] <KreacH> davyd : i did apt-get updates and no errors this time :O
[06:06] <Danko123456> Ill be back...
[06:06] <Danko123456> Like the test page, uses only cyan(blue) and black...
[06:06] <Danko123456> for one...
[06:07] <davyd> Danko123456: give the cartridges a shake ;)
[06:07] <davyd> Epson has a habit of sucking, my Cyan stops flowing until I take it out and shake it a bit
[06:07] <Danko123456> and when I print only black, then it prints like the head?! is clogged
[06:07] <davyd> apparently this is not something you can return the printer for, and Epson recommend you print at least once a week
[06:07] <Danko123456> like you know lines...
[06:07] <davyd> (give me a hewlett packard any day)
[06:08] <Danko123456> Yeah, that may help with the Colors...
[06:08] <Danko123456> Cause I ahd just installed the cartridgesd...
[06:08] <Danko123456> I had shaked them though...
[06:08] <Danko123456> Ill do some more shaking
[06:08] <maney> HP inkjets are expensive to use.  :-(  maybe I should reconsider that used Magiccolor laser..
[06:08] <Danko123456> That s, if I figure out how to get the ink to go...
[06:08] <Danko123456> out..
[06:09] <Danko123456> I should reconsider one that is exactly compatibl;e with Ubuntu...:)
[06:09] <davyd> maney: they work though
[06:09] <davyd> Danko123456: anything with HP on it is a good bet I've found
[06:09] <Danko123456> You think the head may really be dirty...
[06:09] <Danko123456> hehe, cool....
[06:09] <Danko123456> Invent...........:-!
[06:09] <davyd> everything else has caused me to hate it
[06:09] <Danko123456> lol
[06:10] <davyd> especially Lexmark and Kyocera-Mita
[06:10] <maney> davyd: true, oh king!  and if I were getting another inkjet I'd pay that price to get the easy replacement of nozzles gummed up by dust/ink cement  :-(
[06:10] <Danko123456> I know how Im gonna try if its the printer or driver for the srewiness...
[06:11] <davyd> Danko123456: consulting linux-printing.org (sp?)
[06:11] <davyd> they will know all
[06:11] <Danko123456> Im gonna unplug the USB....
[06:11] <Danko123456> k Il try that too,...
[06:11] <maney> davyd: nope, they don't list the 3500
[06:11] <Danko123456> first Im gonna see if the lines(dirty head) are from driver or printer...
[06:11] <Danko123456> Its a copy machine so I think it should copy without the USB plugged in...
[06:12] <Danko123456> right?
[06:12] <maney> sounds good to me
[06:12] <davyd> maney: the Epson? it's vaguely like a 3200
[06:12] <davyd> I should document that I guess
[06:12] <maney> if you have one working with the driver, yep
[06:13] <KreacH> what is checkinstall ?
[06:13] <Danko123456> CheckInstall keeps track of all the files created or
[06:13] <Danko123456> modified by your installation script ("make install"
[06:13] <Danko123456> "make install_modules", "setup", etc), builds a
[06:13] <Danko123456> standard binary package and installs it in your
[06:13] <Danko123456> system giving you the ability to uninstall it with your
[06:13] <Danko123456> distribution's standard package management utilities.
[06:13] <Danko123456> From the Synaptic Explanation...
[06:14] <Danko123456> Does the driver go onto the printer, or is only used for computer-printer interaction?
[06:15] <KreacH> danko : so i should get it ?
[06:15] <Danko123456> I dont know much about stuff, I just copy pasted from Synaptic, their explanation about the program/command/whateverItIs...
[06:15] <Danko123456> I came for help here....sorry.
[06:16] <Danko123456> davyd: I think my troubles are hardware rather than software...
[06:16] <davyd> Danko123456: computer printer
[06:16] <Danko123456> seems like it anyhow...
[06:16] <davyd> Danko123456: mmm, that's always hard to tell
[06:16] <davyd> unless you have something to use as a reference
[06:16] <davyd> have a Windows machine handy?
[06:16] <Danko123456> Cause I just made a copy of a page with text...
[06:16] <Danko123456> hehe
[06:17] <Danko123456> I wish...sometimes...
[06:17] <davyd> failing that, Epson do have a driver they supply for Linux/CUPS, but I haven't packaged it
[06:17] <Danko123456> I want to put Windows on my machine too...
[06:17] <Danko123456> So I can use .NET I have the installation CDs...
[06:17] <Danko123456> Kinda anyhow, Id like to learn .NET...
[06:18] <Danko123456> SOme stuf out of it anyhow...
[06:18] <Yannick_> hi guys, I have a question.
[06:18] <davyd> Danko123456: have you looked at Mono?
[06:18] <Danko123456> I wanted to...I had not yet...
[06:18] <nash> hi all guys
[06:18] <Danko123456> Hi to everyone who said hi./
[06:18] <Danko123456> :)
[06:18] <enanos> hola
[06:18] <enanos> a todos
[06:18] <enanos> como estan
[06:18] <davyd> Danko123456: I once wrote a bit of C#, without any reference to how the language works
[06:18] <davyd> it was messy
[06:18] <Danko123456> hola a todos, bien y tu?
[06:18] <Danko123456> hehe
[06:19] <nash> listen...i'm experiencing a huge number of incoming hits
[06:19] <Danko123456> Yeah, I love that...
[06:19] <enanos> bien tambien gracias
[06:19] <Yannick_> when I try to install ubuntu, its failling to mount the / partition... but I created them with Partition Magic
[06:19] <nash> it started a couple of hours ago
[06:19] <Danko123456> just test all the time till it works...
[06:19] <Danko123456> :)
[06:19] <davyd> Yannick_: is it formatted?
[06:19] <Yannick_> yes
[06:19] <Yannick_> ext3
[06:19] <mon> Yannick_: don't, use the program with the installer
[06:19] <shorty114> does ubuntu come with kde as a secondary windows manager?
[06:19] <mon> Yannick_: you can clear space for ubuntu with PM, but i'd leave the rest to the installer
[06:19] <davyd> shorty114: no, but you can install it out of Debian via Universe
[06:20] <shorty114> ok
[06:20] <nash> firestarter eats cpu usage till to 70% sometimes...
[06:20] <nash> huge number of inbound hits
[06:20] <shorty114> another question: has anyone had experience with compiling mysql from source on ubuntu?
[06:20] <Yannick_> mon: I also tried to create partition with ubuntu installer, but it was falling also
[06:20] <shorty114> i'm getting a fatal error
[06:20] <mon> Yannick_: what do you mean failing?
[06:21] <Yannick_> mon: you have 2 choice, automatic partitionning or manual, right?
[06:21] <mon> yea
[06:21] <Yannick_> mon: I choose manual, create my partition, / and swap
[06:21] <nash> guys anyone has idea why am i experiencing so high inbound hits number since a couple of hours ago?
[06:22] <davyd> nash: what sort of hits?
[06:22] <davyd> are you being portscanned?
[06:22] <Yannick_> mon: then when I select terminate partitioning, its goes on and says, fail to mount / on /dev/hd
[06:22] <davyd> /dev/hd ?
[06:23] <davyd> not /dev/hda1 or somesuch?
[06:23] <Yannick_> yes yes
[06:23] <Yannick_> that ain't the problem, I ain't no noob
[06:23] <davyd> ok cool
[06:23] <davyd> you can never tell on this channel ;)
[06:24] <Yannick_> i'm just a ubuntu noob
[06:24] <Yannick_> ;-)
[06:24] <davyd> heh
[06:24] <Yannick_> but I can't install ubuntu
[06:24] <davyd> so I gathered
[06:24] <davyd> this is using the debian-installer partitioner dodad?
[06:25] <davyd> have you tried simply changing to vt2 and firing up fdisk ?
[06:25] <davyd> and having a poke?
[06:25] <davyd> Partition Magic may have done something magic to your disk label
[06:25] <davyd> you might have a Windows NT5 dynamic disk or something
[06:25] <davyd> which might confuse it a little
[06:26] <Yannick_> yeah, but there aren't any /mnt to mount my drive and my drive ain't in /dev from console
[06:26] <Yannick_> i know I can create /mnt... but its not in /dev
[06:26] <maney> what kind of drive is it?
[06:26] <Yannick_> ide
[06:27] <maney> is the controller recognized?
[06:27] <Yannick_> yes
[06:27] <Yannick_> yes since the partioner 'parted' sees everything just fine
[06:28] <davyd> how is parted accessing it?
[06:28] <maney> right.  so when/where do you not see them?
[06:28] <davyd> I've never trusted parted, its' damned magic
[06:28] <Yannick_> it just can't mount the damned drive
[06:28] <Yannick_> after partitionning
[06:28] <maney> did you say you interrupted formatting?
[06:28] <Yannick_> no
[06:29] <Yannick_> I even tried to do all my partitionning with slackware 10 installer
[06:30] <Yannick_> still fail to mount / after setting the / partition to use as root drive
[06:30] <maney> IME it will work if you can do the partitioning and formatting trhoughthe installer.  it's a bit awkward if you're used to fdisk or older Debian installs, but it works.  getting it to use pre-prepared partitions has caused problems sometimes
[06:31] <Yannick_> so what should I use, free space
[06:31] <maney> that is to say, I have had installation failures when trying to force it
[06:31] <maney> if you can start that way, yeah, I'd give that a try
[06:32] <Yannick_> and I haven't seen any way to create swap partition, is it possible?
[06:32] <davyd> Yannick_: yes
[06:32] <maney> sure.  create a partiiton, flag it for use as swap
[06:32] <Yannick_> maney: how?
[06:32] <Yannick_> using fdisk afterward
[06:33] <maney> ah.  if you're doing manual partitioning, you have to set "use it as...", "format as..." and "mount ..." in the dialogs
[06:33] <gjc> lo, can someone give me a hint as to how to enable ssl in apache2?
[06:33] <maney> this is in "guided partitioning"
[06:33] <Yannick_> i'll give this a try, talk to yall later
[06:34] <maney> It's a bit too much tryingt o be a GUI interface in text mode
[06:35] <zerokarmaleft_> hmm...i'm having strange nvidia problems in warty...X just suddenly crashed and now it can't find the nvidia module even though lsmod says it's there
[06:42] <Danko123456> Gotta hate that epson...:)
[06:42] <Danko123456> Ah, I guess its ok...
[06:43] <KreacH> so are there apt-get commands for every program out there ?
[06:43] <maney> for every program that's been packaged, yeah
[06:43] <KreacH> k
[06:44] <phyberoptix> apt-get install porn ?
[06:44] <maney> of course the package name isn't always the same as the program
[06:44] <KreacH> do u know if there is a package name for glftpd ?
[06:44] <phyberoptix> OoOo or proftp
[06:44] <davyd> KreacH: apt-cache search
[06:44] <phyberoptix> +d
[06:44] <davyd> and apt-cache show
[06:44] <davyd> and apt-cache policy
[06:45] <davyd> it's like freshmeat on your desktop
[06:45] <KreacH> y, i never used it before and started this morning with linux :P
[06:45] <maney> well.... sort of.  the descriptions tend to be limited  :-)
[06:45] <KreacH> hehe
[06:46] <KreacH> well in a few months i'm going to use debian, but for now ubuntu works fine !!
[06:46] <Stuttergart> how does one go about unmounting removeable media in Hoary? For instance, a thumbdrive. It doesn't show up on my desktop. :\
[06:46] <Danko123456> It seems that my printers head got clogged up...Im probably gonna have to go take it in somewhere...
[06:47] <davyd> I wouldn't bother with the debian on your desktop
[06:47] <davyd> Stuttergart: you can put them back on your desktop
[06:47] <davyd> or you can use something like the drivemount applet for your panel
[06:47] <davyd> Stuttergart: or open Computer:// and unmount it from there
[06:47] <Stuttergart> y, it doesn'
[06:47] <Stuttergart> t show up under Computer:// either
[06:48] <davyd> Stuttergart: is it mounted?
[06:48] <Stuttergart> yep
[06:49] <Stuttergart> doesn't show up in the drive mount applet either. :\
[06:49] <KreacH> well this is gonna be a server :P
[06:49] <Stuttergart> boy. I'm on a bug finding tear this morning. :\
[06:49] <davyd> Stuttergart: this implies that gnome-vfs doesn't know about it
[06:50] <Stuttergart> $ dpkg -l | grep gnome-vfs
[06:50] <Stuttergart> $
[06:50] <Stuttergart> hmm
[06:50] <davyd> interesting
[06:51] <sjoerd> it's libgnomevfs2-0, so that's not weird
[06:51] <davyd> Stuttergart: that's now that the package is called
[06:51] <davyd> it's libgnomevfs-2 or something
[06:51] <davyd> Stuttergart: plus, you have to have it to run GNOME
[06:51] <davyd> it's more likely going to be that it has an entry in /proc/mounts that gnome-vfs isn't interested in
[06:52] <davyd> I can't wait till we switch to the HAL backend
[06:52] <davyd> the UNIX backend is nasty as
[06:52] <Stuttergart> I thought Hoary was using hal?
[06:52] <davyd> not for gnome-vfs
[06:52] <davyd> it's highly experimental
[06:52] <davyd> also referred to as 'broken'
[06:52] <Stuttergart> from /proc/mounts:
[06:53] <Stuttergart> /dev/sda1 /media/NO\040NAME
[06:53] <sjoerd> davyd: hoary is using hal afaik
[06:53] <Stuttergart> what do you want to be that \04 is causing issues?
[06:53] <sjoerd> Stuttergart: is it also in /etc/mtab
[06:53] <maney> it's \040 - a space the hard way
[06:53] <davyd> sjoerd: ldd does not agree with you ;)
[06:53] <Stuttergart> I need to figure out a way to rename that volume and see if that helps.
[06:54] <Stuttergart> label the volume some how
[06:54] <davyd> Stuttergart: from memory, it needs the 'user' flag for gnome-vfs to display it
[06:55] <Stuttergart> well, that /dev/sdc is gettin generated by hotplug or something
[06:55] <Stuttergart> it ain't in the fstab
[06:56] <sjoerd> Stuttergart: fstab doesn't matter, mtab matters
[06:56] <davyd> Stuttergart: it wouldn't be
[06:56] <KreacH> speirs nederlander
[06:56] <Speirs> jep
[06:56] <Stuttergart> Y, I know.
[06:56] <davyd> sjoerd: I think /proc/mounts matters more
[06:56] <sjoerd> KreacH: niks mis met nederlanders ;)
[06:56] <Speirs> why KreacH ?
[06:56] <davyd> but I've forgotten the code pats
[06:56] <davyd> *paths
[06:56] <Stuttergart> I'm just saying that in order to add the 'user' flag I'm going to have to hack on hotplug I guess
[06:56] <Speirs> half belg hoor :P
[06:56] <KreacH> i saw it in ur adress :P
[06:57] <Stuttergart> so who here works for Canonical?
[06:57] <Speirs> hehe
[06:57] <Speirs> pfoe
[06:57] <Speirs> my computer is very stabel(?) till now :)
[06:58] <Speirs> and I clocked my Memory @ 2-2-2-5 (:O) en FSB 180Mhz (H)
[06:58] <KreacH> stable, want el is altijd le in engels P
[06:58] <Speirs> oja
[06:58] <Speirs> das waar
[06:58] <Speirs> :)
[06:58] <Speirs> KreacH
[06:58] <Speirs> waarom zit je niet in #ubuntu-nl ?
[06:58] <sjoerd> davyd: dunno if it reads /proc/mounts or /etc/mtab..
[06:58] <davyd> sjoerd: both I think
[06:59] <davyd> sjoerd: it's nasty code
[06:59] <davyd> I learnt that when I had to fix it misunderstanding bind mounts
[06:59] <davyd> and messing up udec
[06:59] <davyd> *udev
[07:01] <sjoerd> davyd: from the code it looks like only one of the two, but it depends on some defines which one..
[07:01] <sjoerd> davyd: so if it's both in mtab en mounts your always okay :)
[07:01] <davyd> sjoerd: mmm
[07:02] <sladen> mtab is normally a symlink to  /proc/self/mounts
[07:02] <davyd> sladen: on what?
[07:02] <davyd> since mount likes to write to mtab, that's not a crash hot idea
[07:02] <davyd> also, it means that mount can store information that /proc/mounts does not
[07:02] <maney> okay, I'm about to give up.  does the "sound recorder" app work under any circumstances?
[07:03] <davyd> maney: unlikely
[07:03] <maney> okay.  how would I get it removed form the menu?
[07:03] <maximaus> maney, try Audacity, it's a pretty good simple sound recording type app.
[07:03] <maney> silly me, I thought that since it's installed by default it might be useful
[07:04] <davyd> maney: it's quasi-neglected gnome-media
[07:04] <maximaus> consider it a placeholder for a useful app to come. :P
[07:05] <Quenyar> followed java install procedure from wikki and no change in result.  Java VM does not open.  One thing that might be going on... when I open certain applications from the command line, I get "Error: No running window found"
[07:05] <maney> what about totem?  will it ever become useful, or will it always be free but ineffectual?
[07:06] <davyd> totem works great
[07:06] <maximaus> Totem works great for me--especially if you install the codecs from the Mplayer site.
[07:06] <davyd> install totem-xine
[07:06] <Poprocks> maney, it works great when built against xine
[07:06] <sladen> maney: if you install the necessary 'illegal' bits, you'll find Totem ''is useful''
[07:06] <Stuttergart> man hotplug is such an undocumented tangle of scripts. :/
[07:06] <Poprocks> gstreamer is still lacking for video
[07:06] <davyd> and w32codecs from Christian Marillat
[07:06] <Poprocks> I usually just install mplayer with the gui though... so much less hassle