[01:59] <pavelk1> whats going on here guys
[02:22] <stoneheart> Well i am a beginner to ubuntu but do i have questions
[02:50] <jaco> *testing*
[02:50] <jaco> am i live...?
[02:51] <nalioth> jaco: i hope so
[02:51] <jaco> cool!
[02:51] <jaco> sweet!
[02:51] <jaco> excelent
[02:51] <jaco> thanks
[02:51] <jaco> been a shile
[02:51] <jaco> *while*
[02:59] <jaco> so! i assume this would be the appropriate are to ask really silly n00b questions? (post-google, of course)
[03:00] <ball> jaco: I could be wrong, but I /think/ its set aside more for some lectures that are planned for this coming week
[03:00] <jrib> jaco: #ubuntu for help.  This channel is pretty dead
[03:00] <ball> jaco: where do you live though?
[03:00] <jaco> NZ
[03:00] <ball> There's an #ubuntu-nz
[03:00] <jaco> thnx, btw. just checked in initially 4 next week's meet&greet
[03:01] <ball> ...you may find helpful people in there.
[03:02] <jaco> wanna steer away from strict geo forums
[03:02] <jaco> go-global
[03:02] <jaco> but thnx 4 the info
[03:04] <nalioth> yes, this channel is for scheduled classes or invitational one-on-one help
[03:04] <nalioth> #ubuntu is for primary support
[03:05] <jaco> thanx 4 the info. will check in regularly, as I still have a lot 2 learn
[03:07] <ball> Why avoiding -nz?
[03:11] <ball> I have to go anyway.
[14:25] <Tolchi> this is the room for Ubuntu Open Week?
[14:44] <spider48014> Holas
[14:45] <spider48014> Me he instalado ubuntu 8.10 y me he quedado sin bluetooth ¿a alguien le ha pasado lo mismo o solo a mi?
[14:46] <n1c0las_> spider48014: please check ubuntu-br. This is an english language channel
[14:47] <spider48014> well
[14:47] <spider48014> i just have installed 8.10 and now i have not bluetooth ... help
[14:47] <spider48014> please
[14:48] <n1c0las_> for help please check into #ubuntu
[14:48] <n1c0las_> this channel is for classroom instruction only. Sorry
[14:48] <spider48014> well, sorry
[14:59] <rizwan> hello
[14:59] <rizwan> just checking things
[20:18] <josh_> does anyone know how to run multiple monitors off of one tower?
[20:25] <ball> josh_: yes, someone does.
[20:26] <josh_> ok, thats alot of help...
[20:28] <ball> Glad to be of service.


[14:45] <ara> bjf, ping
[14:45] <bjf> ara, yes?
[14:46] <ara> bjf, hey, we have seen that the kernels have been released, but we were still testing
[14:46] <ara> bjf, what happened?
[14:46] <bjf> ara, critical CVE. we decided to appy it to what was currently in -proposed and release them all
[14:47] <ara> bjf, when was the decision made? we would appreciate if you could ping us as soon as you make the decision
[14:48] <bjf> ara, it was an embargoed CVE. we are not allowed to discuss it. they went to -updates and -security yesterday
[14:48] <bjf> ara, i was just about to send out email
[14:52] <ara> bjf, ok, thanks
[18:13] <ubuntu1404usb32> I have just updated the kernel from 3.13.0-30 to 3.13.0-32 for Ubuntu 14.04 that has all "stable" updates.  As soon as I rebooted (several times) the two computer fans went from the average 1400 RPM to 1800 to 2000 RPM. I booted up a previously dd'd version of the same 14.04 configuration (backup) running kernel 3.13.0-30 without the kernel update and the fans went down to the average 1400...
[18:13] <ubuntu1404usb32> ...RPM.  Any ideas on what may be happening? Intel Core i7 CPU<EMAIL_ADDRESS>GHz X 8 64 bit 4 Gig RAM
[18:34] <rtg> rsalveti, goldfish is ready in the CKT PPA
[18:34] <rsalveti> rtg: cool, thanks
[20:30] <ubuntu1404usb32> Update for "kernel <IP_ADDRESS> Fan RPMs greatly increased":  Rebooted with the 3.13.0-30 kernel and both fans reduced RMS to 1400 average or less, temperature indicators are now in normal range and no alarms. Previous to that, I reinstalled the 3.13.0-32 kernel and realized no change - Fan RPMs up, temperature indicators up, and several alarms.
[23:12] <[1]rsa_sean> Anyone else seeing a "ALERT /dev/mapper/vg00-root does not exist" error on new netboot server installs
[23:12] <[1]rsa_sean> We also have no way of interacting with ash because it does not recognise usb keyboards ...
[23:13] <[1]rsa_sean> this is on 14.04 server installs
[23:15] <[1]rsa_sean> same configuration worked 3 weeks ago, this week we are getting these errors


[13:03] <mrgoodcat> morning
[13:26] <cmaloney> morning
[14:01] <rick_h_> dammit, I'm just going to stop talking today.
 Automobilis Computerus. ;)
[14:07] <rick_h_> lol
[14:09] <rick_h_> anyway, hope everyone else is having a wonderful tues.
[14:09] <cmaloney> rick_h_: So which phone were you comparing to the MotoX?
[14:09] <cmaloney> So far so good
[14:09] <cmaloney> Chasing strange errors.
[14:09] <rick_h_> and jrwren_, let the record show I'm can be a merciful lead and not using a giant stick to say 'jfdi' no matter how much I want to :)
[14:09] <rick_h_> cmaloney: one of the guys from work is asking about motox (new one) vs waiting for nexus 6
[14:09] <jrwren_> rick_h_: you are a good leader.
[14:09] <rick_h_> I said why I loved my motox
[14:10] <rick_h_> jrwren_: uros convinced me not to, so make him the nice and good one
[14:10] <rick_h_> cmaloney: which makes me a bad guy to all the 'nexus or die!' purists
[14:10] <jrwren_> rick_h_: also, that is not a good kind of leadership, its harder, but MUCH more effective to figure out a way to convince people rather than telling them.
[14:10] <rick_h_> jrwren_: +1
[14:11] <rick_h_> jrwren_: but some people have stone blocks for heads that can only be split with much force
[14:11] <jrwren_> I watched a manager continually errode any confidence his team had in him by doing that too much.
[14:11] <jrwren_> rick_h_: I totally agree. its HARD.
[14:11] <rick_h_> all good, my coffee intake is complete, the day can only go up from here
[14:11] <jrwren_> rick_h_: especially since we are techie nerd types too and so we tend to argue the same ways, which are rarely effective in actually changing peoples minds.
[14:12] <rick_h_> well, it's tough when we think different things because we internally just value different ideas
[14:12] <rick_h_> so you have to change their values to get an agreement vs just convincing them of something
[14:12] <jrwren_> rick_h_: sometimes spelling out those values can help and specifically stating what you do not value on a current point can help.
[14:12] <cmaloney> Thing is you've proven that the MotoX meets your needs
[14:13] <rick_h_> cmaloney: yes, which is all I'm saying, and that a nexus 5 does not and I do not believe the nexus 6 will as well.
[14:13] <rick_h_> but it's all realtive to what fits the owner's needs
[14:13] <cmaloney> I don't see that as being a problem.
[14:13] <jrwren_> haha.. this is about android stuffs? well forget it, who wants to use that junk :)
[14:13] <rick_h_> jrwren_: :P I know, it won't even work with the unreleased apple watch. i mean, how quaint. Might as well be a leap pad
[14:13] <jrwren_> wait... was that someones arguments?
[14:14] <cmaloney> jrwren_: I'm just tickled pink that Microsoft spent $400 mil to have the NFL use the Surface and the announcers call them "iPads"
[14:14] <rick_h_> jrwren_: no, that's me being a cranky snark :)
[14:14] <jrwren_> rick_h_: ah! awesome!
[14:17] <rick_h_> ok, question, my brain isn't going yet this morning
[14:17] <rick_h_> I've got a box that has a bridged network, so it's on my local network on one end, and on a different netowrk on the other
[14:18] <rick_h_> I want to, from another machine on my local network, tunnel through that magic box (let's just call it orange) so I can load up web pages on that internal network
[14:18] <rick_h_> it's not a real ssh tunnel, since the endpoint isn't on the gateway box, but something where I reach through it
[14:19] <jrwren_> rick_h_: bridged network means they are on the same L2 network, usually the same L3, since DHCP will assign addresses on that L2.
[14:21] <jrwren_> rick_h_: ssh -L8080:ipbehindtheorange:80 orangebox
[14:21] <dzho> rick_h_: yeah, when you say bridged, is it a dual-homed box, with one interface bridged to the different network on one interface?
[14:21] <jrwren_> rick_h_: then you can curl localhost:8080 and it goes to ipbehindtheorange:80
[14:21] <rick_h_> dzho: jrwren_ ah true
[14:22]  * dzho defers to jrwren_ on this.  Even after reading the ssh man page careful on port forwarding I inevitably get it wrong the first time.
[15:01] <cmaloney> Man I love tmux
[15:01] <cmaloney> Just had to throw that out there. :)
[15:01] <jrwren_> what specifically?
[15:03] <dzho> cmaloney: yes, what about it in particular inspires you to wax lyrical about it today?
[15:04] <dzho> oddly enough I was inspired to check the state of my tmux'ing on various of my commonly-used systems by what I thought was a poor answer to a question in #tmux
[15:04] <dzho> cmaloney: also, which keybindings, vi or emacs?
[15:04] <cmaloney> dzho: I used my IRC script to reconnect to a session that was already open
[15:05] <cmaloney> dzho: I haven't played with the tmux bindings
[15:05] <dzho> so, emacs?
[15:05] <cmaloney> I think so
[15:05] <cmaloney> How do I check?
[15:05]  * dzho finds emacs key bindings in non-emacs things funny, since they represent halting steps towards Just Do Everything In Emacs.
[15:06] <dzho> cmaloney: I think emacs is the default.  it is on my ubuntu systems at least.
[15:06] <dzho> what I specifically have in mind today is what keys you use to copypasta amongst tmux windows
[15:06] <dzho> (if, in fact, you do)
[15:06] <dzho> or tmux panes or whatever
[15:07]  * dzho is still most hung up on the added complexity of panes+windows in tmux vs just windows in screen
[15:08] <cmaloney> I have mine set to vi mode.
[15:08] <cmaloney> I<3 windows in tmux
[15:09] <cmaloney> The only thing I wish I had was ^B-[hjkl] for moving to different windows
[15:11] <cmaloney> Hah, found one. :)
[15:12] <mrgoodcat> screen does panes and windows i thought
[15:14] <cmaloney> I think it does, but tmux is better about imho
[15:17] <jrwren_> dzho: how to vi keybindings work in tmux?
[15:25] <dzho> jrwren_: I'm a bad one to ask--I only know its an option from the man page.  I'm not one to mess with defaults if I can help it.
[15:26] <dzho> mrgoodcat: screen has split screens, but I don't think there's a concept of panes as such.
[15:26] <jrwren_> dzho: same here. I pretty much use defaults everywhere.
[15:26] <dzho> yeah, a search on "pane" in the screen man page turns up zilch
[15:32] <jrwren_> what about split?
[16:36] <mrgoodcat> dzho: ah yea i seem to remember that
[16:47] <cmaloney> Afternoon and all that
[16:48] <wolfger> jazz. You forgot the word jazz. :-)
[16:58] <greg-g> gah, now that song (the mulan rouge version) is in my head
[17:07] <wolfger> Well you should at least replace that with the Chicago version
[17:21] <cmaloney> Yeah, totally. :-p
[17:21] <rick_h_> 'there was a boy....a very...'
[17:21] <rick_h_> <3
[17:58] <rick_h_> bah /me so so angry now http://www.androidcentral.com/verizon-wont-be-getting-developer-edition-moto-x-2014
[17:58] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/W74sfu - Verizon won't be getting a developer edition for Moto X in 2014 | Android Central
[18:04] <cmaloney> Verizon: We don't care.
[18:04] <rick_h_> done
[18:05] <cmaloney> ?
[18:05] <rick_h_> getting it sans verizon and will cancel verizon and move to tmobile
[18:05] <cmaloney> At least they'll have GSM instead of CDMA
[18:05] <brousch_> We don't have to
[18:06] <cmaloney> Which I think is more important for you with travel and whatnot
[18:06] <greg-g> yeah, the one bad part of Ting for me
[18:07] <rick_h_> yea, I won't do any more cdma stuff
[18:07] <cmaloney> greg-g: yeah, me too
[18:08] <rick_h_> and this is why I <3 google voice
[18:08] <wolfger> I think t-mobile is probably the best local carrier for anybody who travels abroad
[18:08] <wolfger> and +1 on the Google Voice love
[18:08] <rick_h_> yea, I've thought about hte switch for years but love my verizon 4g and could get my phones unlocked and just pay for the privilage
[18:09] <rick_h_> but if they're going to mess up the unlocked phone side I'll move along
[18:09] <brousch_> tmobile the best at something?
[18:10] <jrwren_> I'm planning to not have a phone when I travel.
[18:10] <rick_h_> jrwren_: all good, hangout with me
[18:11] <jrwren_> rick_h_: OK, I WILL! :)
[18:11] <rick_h_> it's so vital from on the fly travel schedules, yelp for local food that's good, hours of places you want to go, maps to find the way
[18:11] <rick_h_> it's amazing to think that people traveled abroad without one
[18:11] <jrwren_> oh, I'll have a phone, It will just be wifi only.
[18:11] <rick_h_> yea, but that's :/
[18:12] <jrwren_> so I'm told.
[18:12] <rick_h_> in the hotel it's like a tech conference, the wifi is usually crap unless you're in the canonical sprint stuff
[18:12] <rick_h_> there you'll be golden, but the rooms lock up at night
[18:12] <jrwren_> I'll find all the breweries with free wifi :)
[18:12] <brousch_> Why is tmobile better than ATT?
[18:12] <rick_h_> lol
[18:12] <rick_h_> brousch_: because I had ATT before verizon (they were so bad I willingly WENT to verizon)
[18:12] <aisrael> jrwren_: I heard you can get a prepaid sim, and re-charge it in atm's overseas. Might be worth looking into.
[18:13] <rick_h_> aisrael: yea, depends on the place.
[18:13] <rick_h_> brousch_: but tmobile has non-fast, but free international data
[18:13] <brousch_> ah
[18:13] <rick_h_> brousch_: so should help me use my phone to local the nearest hspa+ dealer :)
[18:13] <rick_h_> brousch_: and they're less evil
[18:13] <rick_h_> and the wifi calling stuff would be cool
[18:14] <rick_h_> anyway, phone ordered, will have to work on the carrier move when it arrives
[18:14] <brousch_> You use verizon. You clearly don't care about using evil phone companies
[18:14] <rick_h_> brousch_: not when I can still get my phone I want, unlocked the way I want, and use the phones/devices the way I want
[18:14] <rick_h_> I pay extra for it sure, but it's not been blocked until this go round
[18:15] <widox> rick_h_: how is it blocked? did I misread that article?
[18:16] <rick_h_> widox: you cannot get one that has verizon 4g freq
[18:17] <rick_h_> widox: and it's not carrier backed/etc.
[18:17] <jrwren_> aisrael: experimenting with unteathering from familY :)
[18:17] <aisrael> heh
[18:17] <rick_h_> oh wtf, the time researching carrier plans the phone's out of stock now?!
[18:17] <rick_h_> by the time I built it, enter my info, and hit the buy button it's gone
[18:17] <widox> rick_h_: ooh. that blows :-/
[18:33] <cmaloney> rick_h_: Man that sucks
[23:54] <cmaloney> Evening. :)


[08:34] <DNS> hi guys :)
[08:35] <czajkowski> DNS: ello
[08:36] <DNS> i have 2 questions: 1. If i requested a year ago to increase my PPA capacity and now its full again and i could need more space again, does it make sense to reopen the request from a year ago or should i open a new one?
[08:36] <czajkowski> open a new one please
[08:38] <DNS> 2. i recognize that some binaries in my ppa are gone somehow even if they are just a half year old, what is the reason for binaries being deleted from a ppa
[08:38] <czajkowski> hmm not sure
[08:39] <czajkowski> StevenK: can you help me out here please?
[08:41] <DNS> for example https://launchpad.net/~dns/+archive/gnu/+packages?field.name_filter=ballandpaddle&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=
[08:41] <DNS> precise binaries are gone
[08:41] <DNS> but maverick still there even if they are from same date??
[08:42] <DNS> oh even 5 days later uploaded
[08:46] <DNS> same i recognized with emacs23 packages but the source packages i have deleted now, emacs24 is there:)
[08:52] <DNS> so it looks for me like a database problem, but not sure
[08:57] <wgrant> DNS: https://launchpad.net/api/devel/~dns/+archive/gnu/?ws.op=getPublishedBinaries&binary_name=ballandpaddle&distro_arch_series=/ubuntu/precise/i386&version=0.8.1-bzr118-2~precise1 says that you deleted the binaries at 2012-06-11T23:16:27.366326+00:00
[08:57] <DNS> 0_o how can i delete the binaries without source being deleted?
[08:58] <DNS> not sure how i am able to do so
[08:58] <wgrant> You can do it through the API
[08:58] <DNS> but i didnt afaik
[08:58] <wgrant> Hm
[08:59] <DNS> can u see ip of that dl request
[08:59] <DNS> and is that german ip?
[08:59] <DNS> *del
[08:59] <wgrant> In terms of sources, you deleted -2~precise1, uploaded -3~precise1, then deleted -3~precise1 and copied -2~precise1 back in
[08:59] <DNS> oh
[08:59] <wgrant> That's not exactly conventional and might have confused something
[09:00] <DNS> hmm
[09:00] <DNS> but thats kinda bug or?
[09:00] <DNS> or a feature? :p
[09:03] <wgrant> There's probably a bug in there somewhere, but you've done some pretty strange things to that package in April and June
[09:03] <wgrant> It's a bit hard to see exactly what happened
[09:05] <DNS> well i can describe, i tried to build latest revision but that contained code depended on a special package which was/is not released anywhere, as i figured out later... so build the as failed and i copied the previous packages back in there
[09:06] <DNS> *so the build has failed...
[09:06] <wgrant> Right, and then in June it looks like you rerequested the deletion of the already deleted initial -2~precise1 package, I think...
[09:08] <wgrant> So there was possibly a race because you deleted and recopied the first one back in so quickly
[09:08] <wgrant> Before the deletion had been processed
[09:08] <wgrant> I think
[09:11] <DNS> wgrant: here i did similar i think and that confused launchpad too https://launchpad.net/~dns/+archive/gnu/+sourcepub/2559218/+listing-archive-extra
[09:12] <DNS> its 2 times shown, 1 time failed, 1 time build ok
[09:13] <wgrant> Hmm
[09:13] <wgrant> That's not necessarily wrong
[09:13] <wgrant> Since one of the builds is from another PPA
[09:14] <wgrant> It is a tad confusing, though.
[11:12] <DNS> Is the button/link "This answer solved my problem" removed at all or just temp?
[11:13] <DNS> i mean under answers
[11:14] <czajkowski> it's there
[12:39] <DNS> czajkowski: i didnt see the link hm... anyways thanx again for your answer ;-D
[12:39] <czajkowski> np
[14:30] <tumbleweed> I'm not getting any e-mail response from (signed) PPA upload attemps. Any known issue?
[14:31] <tumbleweed> (it is PPA for a team I just joined, so I could have a config screwup, but I can't find it)
[14:32] <czajkowski> tumbleweed: what key are you using as there was an issue yesterday with the wrong keys being used
[14:33] <tumbleweed> czajkowski: teh only key I ever use
[14:33] <tumbleweed> (which is a subkey of my registered key)
[14:33] <czajkowski> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1053568
[14:33] <czajkowski> subkey is the issue
[14:33] <tumbleweed> aha, ta
[14:34] <czajkowski> np
[14:34] <czajkowski> turns out reading ones bug mail is useful
[14:43] <wgrant> tumbleweed: Is that still happening?
[14:43] <tumbleweed> wgrant: as of an hour or two ago, yes
[14:43] <wgrant> Hm
[14:46] <tumbleweed> wgrant: and yes, you shoudl get your keyservers upgraded. I did a backport of sks 1.3.1 to precise, that's probably the best thing to run
[14:46] <tumbleweed> err 1.1.3
[14:47] <wgrant> tumbleweed: Yeah, there's a ticket about that
[14:48] <tumbleweed> also, these days, it's recommended to put sks behind a frontend proxy, as it's single-threaded
[14:49] <tumbleweed> oh, that's already the case, nm
[14:49] <wgrant> It is, yeah :)
[14:56] <wgrant> tumbleweed: OK, downgraded more packages. Can you try again?
[14:57] <tumbleweed> wgrant: uploaded
[15:01] <tumbleweed> wgrant: accepted, ta
[15:01] <wgrant> tumbleweed: Thanks for confirming.
[17:34] <kamal> thanks folks, for all the help diagnosing and fixing the gpg subkeys problem... sinzui, patdk-wk, dobey, thedac, wgrant, and anyone else who I missed there
[17:44] <dobey> sure :)


[03:03] <mason_> hi
[03:03] <shoes> hay
[03:03] <mason_> this is interesting
[03:03] <mason_> what os you on?
[03:03] <shoes> xubuntu
[03:04] <mason_> ahh, im on lubuntu
[03:04] <shoes> both good choices
[03:04] <mason_> yeah
[03:05] <mason_> i had lubuntu 18.04 on a 32 bit 1gb of ram 1ghz intel atom
[03:05] <mason_> not currently
[03:05] <mason_> but i did
[03:05] <shoes> eek
[03:05] <mason_> suprisingly, it ran fine
[03:06] <shoes> nging in there
[03:06] <mason_> i have xp on that now
[03:06] <shoes> blah
[03:06] <mason_> so theres a bunch of other people, are they just not gonna chat?
[03:07] <shoes> theyre logged on but not necessarily here
[03:08] <mason_> odd
[03:08] <shoes> nah its cmmon
[03:08] <mason_> really?
[03:08] <SofS> depends on what you call common, for IRC it is
[03:09] <mason_> im on a 12 year old laptop, i recently upgraded to 8gb of ram
[03:09] <shoes> irc is not so popular anymore
[03:09] <mason_> oh another person
[03:09] <SofS> it still is the best linux support channel
[03:09] <mason_> lol
[03:10] <SofS> It survived the freenode drama.
[03:10] <mason_> freenode drama?
[03:10] <SofS> before libera
[03:10] <shoes> long story
[03:10] <toddc> !support
[04:13] <utsweetyfish> is upload.ubuntu.com publicly accessible?
[04:14] <utsweetyfish> curl ftp://upload.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[04:14] <utsweetyfish> curl: (19) RETR response: 502
[04:14] <arraybolt3> what are you trying to do?
[04:15] <utsweetyfish> arraybolt3: try to seek for newly uploaded .dsc
[04:15] <utsweetyfish> just like incoming.debian.org
[04:16] <arraybolt3> mmm, didn't know about either of those until just now
[04:16] <arraybolt3> If you're looking for newly uploaded source packages, you probably want to inspect the NEW queues.
[04:17] <utsweetyfish> arraybolt3: where are they?
[04:17] <arraybolt3> trying to find them
[04:18] <arraybolt3> found it
[04:18] <arraybolt3> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jammy/+queue
[04:18] <arraybolt3> utsweetyfish: ^
[04:18] <arraybolt3> you can change `jammy` to another release codename to see the queues for those
[04:18] <utsweetyfish> exactly what i want, thanks
[04:19] <utsweetyfish> noble is the next LTS?
[04:19] <utsweetyfish> i guess
[04:19] <arraybolt3> and you can also see recently accepted source packages there (there are several queues)
[04:19] <arraybolt3> Yes, Noble is intended to be 24.04 LTS.
[04:19] <utsweetyfish> thanks a lot arraybolt3
[04:19] <arraybolt3> Keep in mind that NEW packages may or may not be accepted into the archive, and after a package is accepted it may or may not end up in the archive in a timely fashion (if at all) depending on whether it passes testing or not.
[04:20] <arraybolt3> So not everything you see there will end up released, but it's where things go on their way to getting released.
[04:20] <utsweetyfish> yes i know that
[04:20] <utsweetyfish> thanks!
[04:21] <arraybolt3> ah ok
[04:21] <utsweetyfish> is there a RSS for queue?
[04:21] <utsweetyfish> or something similar
[04:21] <arraybolt3> ...ish... there's a bot called `queuebot` present in one of the Ubuntu channels that gives you that sort of info. Lemme try something...
[04:22] <utsweetyfish> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/noble-changes/2024-April/date.html
[04:22] <utsweetyfish> can i use this?
[04:22] <arraybolt3> ah, that should work
[04:22] <utsweetyfish> thank you so much!
[04:22] <arraybolt3> glad to help! Though you found that last one :P
[04:22] <utsweetyfish> :P
[10:45] <davidicus> HI. I have the newest Ubuntu-Studio on a new PC. Everything is working fine except qjackl. I give me an error saying it cannot connect to jack server when I hit the start button. I'm new to all this. I'm trying to get a usb midi keyboard set up
[10:53] <lotuspsychj3> davidicus: wich studio release version is this please
[10:54] <davidicus> Ubuntu Studio 22.04
[10:55] <lotuspsychj3> davidicus: tnx, can you see if these solutions resolve: https://askubuntu.com/questions/224151/jack-server-could-not-be-started-when-using-qjackctl
[10:57] <davidicus> <--looking
[11:02] <davidicus> OMG THANK YOU!
[11:03] <lotuspsychj3> davidicus: what solved it?
[11:05] <davidicus> I went into setup on jack on the advanced tab and set the imput and output device and applied. I still have to figure out how to get the keyboard and all running so I can paly and make music but I have to settle with this for now. I can try to figure the rest out after I've had some sleep. Thank you
[11:06] <lotuspsychj3> good luck davidicus
[11:06] <davidicus> Thank you lotus. you too
[12:11] <ximon> hey
[12:11] <ximon> I have a question
[12:11] <ximon> so I installed arch linux because I thought it is good, it just wrecked my connection to mouse and keyboard within 3 reboots
[12:12] <ximon> would I have similiar issues on rolling ubuntu
[12:12] <ximon> ?
[12:44] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:55] <meustation> ximon, I've been using ubuntu since 2006, never broke something so fundamental as mouse and keyboard
[12:56] <meustation> install wise I'd say it requires even less technical knowledge than the horrible os they brew in redmond
[12:59] <meustation> if you stick to LTS versions, and perhaps don't update straight away but wait for the xx.yy.03 or xx.yy.04 lts release, it's gonna be smooth sailing
[13:55] <falz> what are people using to keep 'config standards' in place and update certain files? ie snmpd.conf, ufw firewall rules. ansible? puppet? something else?
[14:00] <akik> ansible is good
[14:01]  * ogra_ knows people that simply make their whole /etc a git tree
[14:11] <akik> i know of a man who puts systemd, sshd and xpra in a docker container
[14:15] <younder> I enter sudo apt install <whatever< and it tells me The following packages will be removed ubuntu-realtime which fails. How to I stop apt from insisting on this remove
[14:15] <younder> ?
[14:17] <tomreyn> younder: fix the broken package. sometimes reinstalling helps.
[14:26] <rudratrivedi> younder: is this a custom package? i can't see it in the repos
[14:27] <rudratrivedi> there are probably some conflicts between what you're trying to install and this package
[14:27] <tomreyn> it's part of ubuntu pro https://canonical-ubuntu-pro-client.readthedocs-hosted.com/en/v29/howtoguides/enable_realtime_kernel.html
[14:27] <rudratrivedi> I see it, my bad
[14:29] <rudratrivedi> still, it's probably a conflict. would be helpful to know what's trying to be installed.
[14:41] <younder> whwre are ubuntu post removal scripts stored?
[14:43] <ravage> Post-removal scripts are located in /var/lib/dpkg/info/. Each package has its own script, if applicable, named in the format <package_name>.postrm.
[15:48] <xvx> Does this work for anyone? (says doesn't exist for me):  sudo apt install gnome-shell-extension-autohidetopbar
[15:49] <ioria> xvx, what 's your release ? cat /etc/issue
[15:51] <xvx> 24.04 (beta)
[15:51] <ioria> xvx, the last supported ver is for 20.04
[15:58] <rudratrivedi> xvx, you shoud probably be installing that from extensions.gnome.org
[15:59] <rudratrivedi> although, the extension isn't updated for gnome46 yet. there is a pending PR.
[17:56] <mdmbkr> the hddtemp package seems to have disappeared, what's the command line replacement?
[18:01] <mdmbkr> modprobe drivetemp ; sensors
[18:02] <mdmbkr> that shows me temperatures but doesn't identify which drive is which
[18:19] <jwash> tomreyn continuing from yesterday, i installed a radeon card and successfully blacklisted nouveau,snd_hda_intel and the hardware for my geforce 960. it added to the virtual machines config. but it won't show in windows device manager.
[18:26] <tomreyn> jwash: if you were able to add it to the KVM guest configuration and KVM was able to pass it through fine to the guest then it's a matter of the guest OS, which is not ubuntu. ;-)
[18:26] <jwash> i don't know it was passed through
[18:26] <jwash> it's weird
[18:26] <jwash> it looks like it was paassed through correctly
[18:27] <jwash> https://imgur.com/zKOVdR2.png
[18:27] <jwash> https://imgur.com/miOilsh.png
[18:30] <tomreyn> you could double check these steps https://askubuntu.com/questions/1406888/ubuntu-22-04-gpu-passthrough-qemu
[18:31] <mcphail> jwash: maybe not relevant but I've been playing with PCI passthrough for a WiFi card today. I had to pass it through as PCIe rather than PCI for the guest to access it, and passing as PCIe required selecting q35 as my machine type. Worth a try?
[18:32] <jwash> how did you make the distinction?
[18:32] <jwash> sounds like what i need to do
[18:33] <jwash> what is the q35 machine type
[18:34] <jwash> i see it, i'm dumb
[18:34] <jwash> :)
[18:35] <jwash> i was already set to Q35, but the firmware version is different\
[18:40] <mcphail> I was also reading that if you're running uefi rather than seabios in the guest you may need to go in and switch off secure boot for passthrough to work. But I haven't explored that as I was using seabios as default. This stuff is arcane
[18:42] <jwash> did you get it to pass through properly?
[18:42] <mcphail> Yes, but it was just a WiFi card, not a graphics card, so probably much simpler
[18:43] <jwash> can you share a screenshot of your card's attachment in the settings?
[18:44] <jwash> i'm not seeing a specific pcie option
[18:45] <mcphail> I'm not at the machine, but I'm pretty sure I had to add "pcie=1" to the qemu settings next to the rombar option
[18:49] <mcphail> Oh, the other thing to ensure is you've enabled iommu on the kernel command line. I'd forgotten about that and lost an evening swearing about things
[18:50] <jwash> iommu is ogod
[18:50] <jwash> good
[18:50] <jwash> where is the rombar option
[18:51] <mcphail> You can see it in your screenshot, but I was doing this from the command line.
[18:52] <jwash> https://imgur.com/D7pxel5.png
[18:52] <jwash> did you add it to the xml?
[18:55] <mcphail> No, I was passing flags to qemu directly. But I'm sure it could go somewhere in the XML if you're using virt-manager or virsh
[18:58] <jwash> something like this:  /usr/bin/qemu-system-x86_64  -machine q35,kernel-irqchip=split,accel=kvm -smp 4 -m 2G -device intel-iommu,intremap=on,caching-mode=on -nographic /home/fastlinq/centos-7.8.qcow2
[19:01] <mcphail> Aye, I'll try to dig out my command line when I get back in tomorrow
[19:02] <jwash> cool
[19:02] <jwash> ty
[19:02] <Guest26> hello, any idea why in this ssh -D 2022 -J root@my-ipv6 -p 2003 root@my-ipv4 i get stdio forwarding failed error? i already AllowTcpForwarding to yes.
[19:02] <Guest26> is it because of ipv6?
[19:09] <tomreyn> Guest26: no, unless there is a lack of ipv6 connectivity between client host and jump host.
[19:10] <tomreyn> i would try to reduce complexity first and try it that way, do the single connections first, wsee whether those work
[19:11] <jwash> mcphail the xml file for your virtual machine would be very helpful too
[19:12] <tomreyn> Guest26: firewalls could get in your way there, also lack of PermitOpen on the jump host
[19:13] <tomreyn> the jump hosts's sshD, that is
[19:16] <mcphail> Guest26: shot in the dark, but do you need to configure sysctl for ipv4 or 6 forwarding for this to work?
[20:13] <neachdainn> What's the correct way to manage cgroups (a la `cgconfig.conf`) on an Ubuntu system? Everything I'm finding online recommends writing a bash script with manipulates the cgroupfs mount, which I just can't believe is the official way to create cgroups on boot
[20:19] <syndress> Hi
[20:48] <Nrml> Howdy, having an issue with gocryptfs on Jammy: https://github.com/rfjakob/gocryptfs/issues/841
[20:48] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Issue 841 in rfjakob/gocryptfs "REPRODUCIBLE: gocryptfs reverse generating files that gocryptfs can't decrypt?" [Open]
[20:48] <Nrml> AFAICS there's no gocryptfs channel, so I'm asking here. Anyone familiar with it?
[20:57] <mdmbkr> I have a failing hard drive attached to an HBA using the mpt2sas driver .. the disk doesn't show up in fdisk -l, for example .. is there any way to ask the HBA what it's seeing
[21:01] <mdmbkr> aha, MegaCli
[21:04] <mdmbkr> hm, I guess that might not work after all, because the HBA is flashed to a non-raid bios
[21:04] <Apachez> any date set yet for release of 24.04 LTS ?
[21:12] <mdmbkr> I think april 25th
[22:06] <indyZ> Hi guys. Checking out 24.04 beta. Nice, but I have a problem: Every time I use Gnome I want to slam my face into the keyboard. How do I see what applications are installed? There does not seem to be an Applications menu. (No grid of dots)
[22:08] <shadow255> indyZ: you may want to ask that in #ubuntu-next rather than here.
[22:27] <indyZ> shadow255: thanks
[22:28] <indyZ> shadow255: and my apologies for not reading the /topic first
[22:40] <xvx> Is Nautilis the default file browser? I'm trying to find my file browser but it seems to have disappeared
[23:40] <tomreyn> xvx: On Gnome, which is the default Ubuntu desktop? yes. Also known as Gnome Files.
[23:56] <telgareith> I"m trying to reboot a Ubuntu 24.04 LTS desktop install directly into windows remotely. However, many articles like: https://askubuntu.com/questions/18170/how-to-reboot-into-windows-from-ubuntu say "edit the windows line in grub config" However, this machine doesn't have a windows boot manager line in the config


[00:00] <bjsnider> if you mean use the nvidia-installer, forget it
[00:00] <bjsnider> unless you want to damage your system
[00:01] <fagan> bjsnider: well manually installing the .run from nvidia
[00:01] <bjsnider> yeah, do not do that thing
[00:02] <fagan> bjsnider: any ideas on how to get the nvidia-installer working then?
[00:02] <bjsnider> maybe it is working
[00:02] <bjsnider> it used to be less tolerant of broken edid info than other drivers
[00:02] <bjsnider> maybe still is
[00:04] <fagan> Well I said above that I installed the driver in 11.10 and upgraded up till now. So it must be something funny going on recently
[00:04] <bjsnider> it's pictureboxed or windowboxed or letterboxed or something?
 fagan: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-3.5.0-18-generic linux-headers-3.5.0-18
[00:05] <Sarvatt> its not building because you dont have all the headers, theres a bug open about that
[00:05] <fagan> nice thanks Sarvatt
[00:05] <Sarvatt> or just linux-headers-generic like bjsnider said would work
[00:05] <Sarvatt> (and upgrade automatically)
[00:06] <bjsnider> i think he was offline when i said that
[00:06] <fagan> I was :)
[00:06] <Sarvatt> yeah was off when i said it too, oops
[00:06] <bjsnider> that log says:
[00:06] <bjsnider> Module build for the currently running kernel was skipped since the
[00:06] <bjsnider> kernel source for this kernel does not seem to be installed.
[00:06] <bjsnider> i thought this problem was solved already
[00:07] <bjsnider> nvidia-current should depend on linux-headers-generic shouldn't it?
[00:07] <fagan> Ah I completely looked over that line everything else seemed usual oh except demod didn't run I should have remembered that :)
[00:08] <Sarvatt> bjsnider: some people use -lowlatency or -server, no way to guarantee the right headers are installed :(
[00:08] <fagan> Anyway it looks like it worked going to reboot again thanks :D
[00:08] <bjsnider> this has been a bug for awhile
[00:08] <Sarvatt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-updates/+bug/1068341
[00:08] <bjsnider> lots of people complained baout this in the +1 channel the past few months
[00:09] <bjsnider> must be because of the switch away from jockey
[00:14] <fagan> Worked! :)
[00:14] <bryceh> Sarvatt, hrm, is that bug something we should put on our TODO list?
[00:15] <bjsnider> of course it worked
[00:16] <fagan> bjsnider: well im excited because I was scratching my head for an hour wondering what was gone wrong :)
[00:17] <bjsnider> lots of people had th is problem
[00:19] <Sarvatt> Prf_Jakob: is the decimal seperator in your locale a . or a ,?
[00:19] <Sarvatt> because if its , possibly http://steamcommunity.com/app/221410/discussions/1/882965239689221201/
[00:20] <Prf_Jakob> Sarvatt: Haha yeah it is.
[00:20] <Prf_Jakob> utf8-se
[00:35] <bryceh> hmm, apt-cache policy shows me fglrx-experimental-9, however jockey-text -l does not
[00:43] <bryceh> hmm, lets' try rebooting.
[00:57] <Prf_Jakob> Sarvatt: thanks! that helped!
[01:45] <Sarvatt> tjaalton: ^ you'll hit the same issue in finland :P
[03:20] <darkxst> bryceh, there  no nvidia 310 drivers for R :(
[04:13] <bjsnider> they're in xorg-edgers aren't they?
[04:17] <darkxst> bjsnider, oh yes, didnt think to check there
[05:40] <Sarvatt> darkxst: thanks so much for looking into the ppa-purge multiarch thing, i'll run through this tomorrow and see how it works. i didn't even know about dpkg-query!
[09:19] <darkxst> Sarvatt, np, I really needed to purge a ppa on my system and turned out it wasnt too hard to fix ;)
[17:23] <mlankhorst> bryceh_: ping¿
[17:24] <bryceh_> yep
[19:26] <bryceh_> tjaalton, looks like 2:1.13.0-0ubuntu7 is unreleased?  Is it waiting on anything before going in?
[19:29] <tjaalton> bryce: I think the barrier patch needed a proper review
[19:30] <tjaalton> mlankhorst: ^?
[19:31] <bryce> ok; I'll just add the poulsbo pci id patch with it then
[19:32] <bryce> or given that it's been a few weeks, maybe we should drop the patch for the time being until it gets reviewed?
[19:33] <mlankhorst> bryce: well the sru queue is moving pretty slow in general too, so don't think it matters that much.
[19:33] <mlankhorst> I was hoping for raof to review it but he lost out on his chance to do so, just keep it in. :P
[19:34] <bryce> well, xserver git targets raring, so no sru queue blockage to worry about there...
[19:34] <mlankhorst> oh sure go for it then
[19:34]  * bryce shrugs
[19:38] <tjaalton> first point-release rc coming next week
[19:38] <tjaalton> 1.13.1rc
[19:38] <tjaalton> but uploads are cheap
[19:38] <tjaalton> i'll be back to work starting monday
[19:40] <mlankhorst> sru's are expensive :/
[19:40] <mlankhorst> enough fixes I do want to push, but not necessarily have a test for
[19:40] <tjaalton> they need to go to the devel series first
[19:40] <tjaalton> and let's get that exception for xserver point-releases..
[19:40] <bryce> mlankhorst, in the changelog you mention 234-composite-borderclip.patch "is wrong".  Did you get a better solution for that, or should we drop that for now?
[19:41] <mlankhorst> bryce: drop for now, upstream didn't respond
[19:41] <bryce> ok
[19:41] <bryce> and then the pointer barrier change is the update to 500_pointer_barrier_thresholds.diff.  You want to drop that one as well, or is it ok?
[19:41] <mlankhorst> keep
[19:44] <bryce> okie doke
[19:46] <mlankhorst> I'm more amused that games were playable with nouveau, didn't expect that :D
[19:50] <bjsnider> pretty soon the "all we need is the documentation" crowd will be proven wrong, because they didn't even need that
[19:51] <mlankhorst> bjsnider: well it is a lot faster with documentation..
[19:51] <mlankhorst> we have no clue how to do memory reclocking right for example
[19:52] <mlankhorst> I'm reclocking my memory with a glue of shell script, c, and assembly for the card to run :-)
[19:53] <mlankhorst> but it's all hardcoded, so it might even damage other cards when you try
[19:54] <bjsnider> well, i do think it's interesting that a community can build a good graphics driver with no help at all from the manufacturer
[19:55] <bjsnider> although the manufacturer has to protect other organizations' ip
[19:56] <mlankhorst> wee, crashed mplayer again
[19:58] <bryce> bjsnider, I get the sense that nouveau is about where radeon was around the time that AMD opened the docs
[19:58] <bjsnider> oh, i thought it was further along than that
[19:58] <bryce> I recall alex and them mentioning that when they started looking through the docs they discovered all these registers that they'd mis-guessed
[19:58] <bjsnider> radeon couldn't do any opengl could it?
[19:59] <bryce> I'd have to check but I seem to remember it at least had some experimental support for it
[20:00] <mlankhorst> now we just need a nvidiahd driver then..
[20:01] <bryce> 17 Apr 2009: AMD releases initial code branches for 3D support on R6xx/R7xx (see more below)
[20:01] <bryce> however I think there was 3D for older devices before that.
[20:01] <tjaalton> r200 worked just fine
[20:02] <tjaalton> way before the docs were public. but that was for r5xx anyway
[20:05] <mlankhorst> well this looks even uglier
[20:05] <mlankhorst> :D
[20:24] <tjaalton> bryce: did you test the xserver patch for the input matrix funkyness?
[20:25] <bryce> tjaalton, on my todo list for today
[20:26] <tjaalton> bryce: ah :)
[20:26] <bryce> mlankhorst, rtg asked for an r ppa, so I've set up https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/r-lts-backport
[20:26] <tjaalton> if it works, add a tested-by on xorg-devel@ :)
[20:26] <mlankhorst> bryce: sure, just need a new mapping file
[20:27] <mlankhorst> I need to add a hack to make it get the prefix from the mapping file, but it ought to work
[20:27] <mlankhorst> I'm also working on getting the changes to mesa upstream, the ones from intel already are
[20:28] <mlankhorst> ones in mesa too, but needs to be backported to the 9.0 branch after release
[20:28] <bryce> mlankhorst, no I mean he was asking for a ppa so he could start uploading his kernels there.  :-)
[20:28] <mlankhorst> ah
[20:30] <bryce> mlankhorst, but that's great you're ready to go with our bits.  But no worries, take care of higher priority stuff first.
[20:30] <mlankhorst> well it's not a big problem, I tried to keep most of the changes easy enough for forward compatability
[20:31] <mlankhorst> plus i want to upload libdrm 2.4.40 to raring so I can keep playing with mesa master on my weird backport stack :-)
[20:35] <ricotz> hi :)
[20:36] <ricotz> hmm, who broke linking against mesa? ;)
[20:41] <mlankhorst> sigh mplayer hates -vc , atm (disabling vdpau acceleration). some out of bounds write
[21:57] <bjsnider> mlankhorst, are you using mplayer or mplayer2?
[21:57] <bjsnider> uau's mplayer is better than the regular one
[22:00] <mlankhorst> uau?
[22:02] <bjsnider> he's the lead mplayer2 developer
[22:02] <mlankhorst> ah
[22:03] <mlankhorst> no I probably know why it happened
[22:05] <mlankhorst> ah I was right, silly mistake :D
[22:11] <mlankhorst> bjsnider: actually it works worse with mesa afaict..
[22:12] <bjsnider> -vo vdpau -vc ffh264
[22:12] <mlankhorst> channels = 6
[22:12] <mlankhorst> vc = ffmpeg12vdpau,ffh264vdpau,ffwmv3vdpau,ffvc1vdpau,ffodivxvdpau,
[22:12] <mlankhorst> vo = vdpau:colorspace=0,
[22:12] <mlankhorst> is what i use atm
[22:13] <mlankhorst> still some glitches though, probably messing up image parameters :-)
[22:14] <bjsnider> that wouldn't work without the blob
[22:14] <bjsnider> you'd better have a 6-channel sound system
[22:14] <bjsnider> that doesn't have a dac
[22:14] <mlankhorst> works fine without the blob ;-)
[22:15] <bjsnider> ok, so gallium does vdpau?
[22:15] <mlankhorst> well strictly speaking still blobby
[22:15] <bjsnider> there's a working vdpau state tracker in gallium?
[22:15] <mlankhorst> not upstream, but it does have some vdpau output support, and if you're insane and know nouveau some you can load the decoder blobs into the hardware
[22:15] <bjsnider> i know they'd talked about it
[22:15] <mlankhorst> yeah
[22:15] <mlankhorst> it's just the drivers that are lacking
[22:17] <bjsnider> well, i'd use the cpu assuming it's sandybridge or ivybridge
[22:17] <mlankhorst> Where's the fun in that!!!
[22:18] <mlankhorst> 1000     22700  1.0  0.2<PHONE_NUMBER>8 pts/1    Sl+  23:09   0:05 mplayer -framedrop -aid 1 01 The Crystal Empire, Pt. 1 (HD).m4v
[22:18] <mlankhorst> :D
[22:18] <bjsnider> i'm assuming you want it to work as an htpc or whatever. if you're trying to burn down the house that's a different motive
[22:18] <mlankhorst> i want it working because I can :p
[22:18] <bjsnider> m4v my butt
[22:19] <mlankhorst>  ISO Media, MPEG v4 system, iTunes AVC-LC
[22:19] <bjsnider> itunes my butt
[22:20] <bjsnider> anyway, ffmpeg has multithreaded decoding which beats gpu decoding in speed
[22:20] <bjsnider> although it uses more power
[22:20] <bjsnider> libav i mean
[22:21] <mlankhorst> Again, where's the fun in that, more fun to hack on nouveau :P
[22:21] <bryce> xserver 1.13.0-0ubuntu7 uploaded
[22:25] <bjsnider> it would probably be more fun if they'd release the docs
[22:27] <mlankhorst> No, but it would be more productive
[22:27] <mlankhorst> :P
[22:27] <mlankhorst> vdpau's been my puzzle
[22:28] <bjsnider> wikileaks is going to have to release those docs
[22:28] <bjsnider> which means they'll need a whistleblower
[22:28] <mlankhorst> I would rather have permission to redistribute the firmware blobs
[22:29] <mlankhorst> bjsnider: does mplayer2 support mvc?
[22:29] <bjsnider> what does that acronym mean?
[22:29] <mlankhorst> erm h264 multiview codec
[22:29] <bjsnider> i would suggest going to #mplayer2 and asking uau about it. he will answer
[22:30] <mlankhorst> or whatever it was called
[22:30] <mlankhorst> I know the firmware has support for it, but nvidia doesn't support it
[22:30] <bjsnider> he's got betetr vdpau support i can tell you that
[22:30] <bryce> aha there's 9.0.1
[22:42] <jwi> mlankhorst: afair there's a (obsolete?) nouveau-firmware package in multiverse. maybe put the video blobs there?
[22:44] <mlankhorst> jwi: I was thinking of writing an extraction program instead, I don't want to redistribute anything myself..


[10:53] <txwikinger> @schedule London
[10:53] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/London: 04 Dec 16:00: Server Team meeting | 05 Dec 20:30: Xubuntu meeting | 18 Dec 15:00: Server Team meeting
[11:58] <kraut> moin
[22:33] <Hattory> @schedule rome
[22:33] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Rome: 04 Dec 17:00: Server Team meeting | 05 Dec 21:30: Xubuntu meeting | 18 Dec 16:00: Server Team meeting


[09:37] <\sh> Riddell: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10464 is it actual?
[09:50] <pef> hello
[09:56] <\sh> hmmm...just patched akregator
[10:00] <pef> how can I find the right section in the control file for a package ? Is there any recommendations on how to choose a suitable section ? In the Debian documentation I only found this : http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#s-subsections
[10:02] <pef> my package is datakiosk
[10:02] <pef> at the moment I think x11 is the most apropriate
[10:03] <\sh> pef: less /usr/share/lintian/checks/fields.desc and search for section
[10:06] <pef> \sh: thank you :)
[10:07] <pef> any kde apps should have kde section ?
[10:08] <\sh> depends...kmail has mail as section
[10:09] <\sh> but the source (kdepim) has x11
[10:11] <pef> ok
[11:29] <hunger> These vanishing and reappearing kwallets are a PAIN!
[11:40] <hunger> The ksysguard applet is broken for good now...
[11:41] <hunger> It can no longer display any data! It used to be only broken for cpufreq, then it worked again for a while, now it is completly dead.
[12:22] <Ayako> hi!
[12:26] <pef> hi
[12:29] <Ayako> pef: it's normal that www6.erodia.net is not responding?
[12:30] <pef> Ayako: yes, my gateway (wrap with m0n0wall) doesn't support ipv6, I will work at this later
[01:30] <\sh> Riddell: please  have a look on https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10464 ...
[03:21] <hunger> What do I need to do to get a kde session in gdm/kdm after installing kubuntu-desktop?
[03:24] <uniq> select KDE from the session list.
[03:24] <hunger> uniq: How do I get it listed there?
[03:24] <hunger> uniq: It is missing:-(
[03:24] <uniq> hmm.
[03:26] <uniq> the display managers find the .desktop file in /usr/share/xsesions/
[03:26] <hunger> uniq: Only gnome there...
[03:27] <uniq> ksmserver should provide the kde file.
[03:27] <hunger> And shouldn't that kind of data reside in /etc?
[03:28] <uniq> apparently not.
[03:28] <hunger> uniq: Might be a good idea to add that to kubuntu-desktop...
[03:28] <uniq> kubuntu-desktop should bring it in.
[03:28] <hunger> uniq: It does not.
[03:28] <uniq> kwin and kdebase depends on it.
[03:30] <hunger> uniq: I did install kubuntu-desktop (it is at the newest version), but I was missing ksmserver.
[03:30] <uniq> you installed it from the official ubuntu repositories right?
[03:30] <uniq> 3.4.0?
[03:30] <hunger> uniq: Official breezy.
[03:31] <uniq> ok. breezy. i'll check.
[03:31] <hunger> uniq: Last updated about an hour ago.
[03:32] <uniq> well.. kdebase in breezy depends on ksmserver too..
[03:32] <uniq> what if you try to apt-get install ksmserver?
[03:33] <froud> hi, where can I download a colony 1 ISO for kubuntu?
[03:34] <uniq> froud: not available.
[03:34] <froud> :-(
[03:34] <hunger> uniq: Then a desktop file shows up in /usr/share/xsession.
[03:36] <uniq> ah.. nice one.. you discovered a problem with kubuntu-desktop.
[03:36] <uniq> kwin only suggests ksmserver and kdebase is not a dependency at all.
[03:37] <hunger> uniq: Good:-)
[03:37] <hunger> uniq: I was already starting to doubt my sanity.
[03:37] <hunger> uniq: (k)ubuntu behaves *really* strange today.
[03:38] <uniq> heh.. i just installed kubuntu on a pc at work today.. and it was so easy. i was sure i did something wrong.
[03:39] <hunger> uniq: Well, my laptop is too new for ubuntu:-(
[03:39] <uniq> oh.
[03:39] <hunger> uniq: Need all kinds of stuff that is not in ubuntu or is too old there.
[03:39] <hunger> uniq: And I am refering to breezy here;-)
[03:39] <uniq> the work-laptop i installed on is a few years old. so everything was just working. that's nice :)
[03:40] <uniq> hunger: oh. pretty new laptop then )
[03:40] <uniq> :)
[03:40] <hunger> uniq: Yep... T43p
[03:41] <hunger> A really nice machine... unfortunately so far only in windows.
[03:42] <uniq> that is a very nice machine.
[03:44] <hunger> uniq: tpm module doesen't work with breezy's (new) kernel, WLAN needs a newer wireless-tools, ubuntu insists on hdparm'ing the SATA drive and spams the screen failing, suspend and hibernate are broken, gnome does not start the first two times a user logs in, ...
[03:45] <hunger> No idea whether the modem will work, IRDA and bluetooth is untested, buttons do not work yet.
[03:46] <hunger> At least the thinklight works... so it was worth getting a thinkpad;-)
[03:46] <uniq> hehe :)
[03:47] <uniq> sounds like fun.
[03:47] <uniq> sounds like fun.
[03:59] <uniq> riddell: updated kubuntu-desktop to add ksmserver. at http://frode.kde.no/ubuntu/breezy/kubuntu-desktop - please upload to breezy. thanks :)
[04:01] <uniq> a nice bonus for people to be able to login to kde after installing kubuntu-desktop :)
[04:04] <hunger> uniq: Thanks for fixing this so fast!
[04:06] <uniq> hunger: no problem, just need riddel to upload it for me. i don't have upload access.
[04:08] <hunger> Hmmm.... why does the CDROM icon stay behind after I selected to have it ejected and have actually removed the CD from the drive?
[04:09] <uniq> in media:/ ?
[04:09] <hunger> No, on the desktop
[04:09] <hunger> Hmmm...
[04:09] <uniq> no idea.
[04:09] <hunger> looks like a problem here... kde just crashed.
[04:09] <uniq> oh.
[04:10] <hunger> And before that the gnome did behave *really* strange... so I think I have some issue here.
[04:15] <pef> I've build ubuntu package for datakiosk, I'v mentionned this here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuSuggestedPackages under "Suggested Packages that are being worked on", now where should I submit my package for review ?
[04:15] <uniq> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU
[04:16] <uniq> i can also take a look at it if you want.
[04:16] <pef> it's uploading..
[04:37] <pef> uniq: if you have a few time to have a look : http://dl.erodia.net/kubuntu/datakiosk/
[05:02] <pef> uniq: oups, forget, I've missed the build-depends
[05:26] <uniq> pef: tell me when you're ready, if i'm not here i'll read the awaylog and look at it when i get some time.
[05:31] <uniq> riddell: updated kubuntu-default-settings with kuserrc changing start uid and gid to 1000 instead of 500. to close #11854
[05:32] <pef> uniq: I won't miss
[05:36] <allee> uniq: just a weird idea, not sure if it works.  kconf allows to execute programs to get the value.  so something like grep '^UID_MIN=' | awk ...
[05:36] <allee> s/works/is worth/
[05:37] <uniq> why would you want that?
[05:38] <allee> He, min_uid is 20000 on some hosts here (local uid policy)
[05:39] <uniq> hmm.. well..
[05:39] <uniq> users this is kubuntu-default-settings :)
[05:39] <uniq> -user
[05:39] <uniq> +s
[05:39] <allee> So if, for whatever reason someone changes local setting via login.defs  kuser will pick it up automaticly.  But I guess only a minority changes the value
[05:40] <allee> uniq: yes, it's default.  But to change it one has to fix a hardcoded 1000 in at least 2 places.
[05:40] <uniq> i'm aware of that.. the feature would be nice, but don't know where we should place that script.
[05:42] <allee> uniq: directly in the conf file.  I don't remember what value[$ ]  is necessary to get embedded command executed
[05:42] <uniq> so we sould execute that each time kuser starts?
[05:42] <uniq> hmm..
[05:43] <allee> uniq: nevertheless it's a patholigic example. Your example just reminded me that there is such a feature.  maybe really handy at other places
[05:43] <uniq> yeah, totaly agree :)
[05:44] <uniq> +l
[09:11] <froud> nightly update to http://lnix.net/~froud/ complete
[09:15] <uniq> great :)
[09:16] <froud> gotta keep notifying people. hoping we can get more people to contribute
[09:16] <uniq> yes, your work is great :)
[09:17] <uniq> http://lnix.net/~froud/kubuntu-install/C/ch05.html
[09:17] <uniq> really nice.
[09:17] <froud> all will change if there is a graphical installer.
[09:18] <froud> I wonder if somebody here could check what I did with the .desktop files for kubuntu docs
[09:18] <froud> I got it working on my system, but I am not sure I did it correctly
[09:18] <uniq> which file do i check?
[09:19] <froud> everything in https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/kde/khelpdesktop
[09:19] <froud> instruction in https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/kde/khelpdesktop/READ.INFO
[09:19] <uniq> reading.
[09:22] <uniq> and you're wondering what you did to make it work?
[09:23] <froud> no it works as a plugin, but I am not sure this is the correct way to do it :-)
[09:23] <uniq> or if it's the correct way to do it?
[09:23] <uniq> ah. ok.
[09:25] <uniq> i think it's the correct way.. but i'm no khelpcenter guru.
[09:25] <froud> he he, ok
[09:26] <uniq> should ask riddell or amu when they get back.
[09:26] <froud> now I need somebody to make a debian/ folder so we can test packaging
[09:27] <uniq> that i can do.
[09:27] <froud> OK
[09:27] <froud> basically
[09:27] <froud> there's a few steps
[09:28] <froud> 1. in kde/ do make kall
[09:28] <froud> 2. tarball all of build/kde
[09:28] <froud> + the the stuff in kdesktophelp
[09:28] <froud> install it in the locations described in READ.INFO
[09:29] <froud> there are no dependancies
[09:30] <froud> as you can see I have used kio-slave help for things like CSS and links to upstream KDE docs
[09:30] <uniq> when you say kde/, you're talking about https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/kde/ right?
[09:30] <froud> yes see Makefile
[09:30] <froud> Make kall build everything in build/kde/
[09:31] <uniq> ok. got it.
[09:31] <froud> if I can get a package built I will upload it, nightly, to linx.net/~froud
[09:32] <froud> uniq: do we need to make a src package
[09:32] <uniq> there will be a source package automatically.
[09:32] <froud> kubuntu-doc and kubuntu-doc-src ??
[09:33] <uniq> no need for that.
[09:33] <froud> OK leave it to you :-)
[09:33] <froud> thanks again for your help
[09:33] <uniq> thank YOU :)
[09:34] <uniq> for your help on kubuntu docs :)
[09:34] <froud> np
[09:41] <froud> has there been any decision between OOo and KOffice?
[09:42] <uniq> not that i know of. riddell and amu are busy with other stuff right now. and they are pretty much the kubuntu core.
[09:43] <froud> sure, just thought somebody may have had news
[09:43] <uniq> i'll tell you when i find out.
[09:52] <allee> froud: your desktop files use in DocPath complete URLs, while app desktop files use patch relativ to /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/<lang>/
[09:53] <froud> allee: what does kde use en or C
[09:54] <froud> allee: I have not seen a language example in plugins
[09:54] <allee> froud:  /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML has on en no C so I guess it's en
[09:55] <allee> froud: but what <lang> is used is determined by controlcenters language settings
[09:55] <froud> yes
[09:55] <froud> I am not sure what I need to do about i18n
[09:56] <froud> at docteam our xml becomes pot and placed in Rosetta
[09:56] <froud> we get back po files and create lang specific xml
[09:56] <allee> froud: did you try install below /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/<lang>/kubuntu/?
[09:56] <froud> then we store each lang in its own folder
[09:56] <froud> I can
[09:56] <froud> its a small change
[09:57] <allee> that how khelpcenter docs are organized
[09:57] <froud> OK thanks
[09:57] <allee> KDE docs are also splitted in POT and later reasambled.  Beast that does this is scipty afaik
[09:58] <froud> we use poxml from kdesdk
[09:58] <froud> and then have our own scripts
[09:59] <froud> I will also take a look at scripty
[09:59] <allee> mhmm there lots of Name[<lang>] =<empty> string.  Is this correct?  Shouldn't they be removed to the fallback Name= is used?
[10:00] <froud> where are you seeing that?
[10:00] <allee> No I have english desktop
[10:00] <froud> me too :-)
[10:00] <froud> we are not using the kde make files
[10:01] <froud> perhaps we should
[10:01] <froud> but then we also do not use the KDE DTD
[10:02] <froud> so the language stuff and transformations for all langs is done by us and then packaged
[10:02] <froud> each lang has its own doc pack, I think
[10:03] <allee> A Kubuntu DTD is fine here ;)   Btw. is there a variant of the ubuntu brownish CSS stuff that is blueish?
[10:03] <froud> allee: we use the docbook dtd no custom layer
[10:03] <froud> CSS is from kde
[10:04] <froud> we get it from help://khelpcenter/common/
[10:04] <froud> But I dont know how to add the blue top that you get in all other kde docs
[10:04] <allee> sorry fround I skipped form help:/ stuff to www.ubuntu.org CSS assuming you can read my mind :(
[10:05] <froud> It would be need if we could have Kubuntu branding in the header of Kubuntu Docs
[10:06] <allee> look at any KDE index.cache.bz2  to find out there customizations come from
[10:06] <froud> allee: CSS used is from KDE upstream. Trying to keep at least the formatting looking the same
[10:06] <froud> OK
[10:07] <allee> btw. before you get a wrong impression.  content if far more important (congrats).  Nice outfit is a goody IMHO
[10:08] <froud> sure, thanks. I was actually hoping one of the developers could help me figure out the outfit stuff. I am good with docbook but not much good with the outfit stuff
[10:10] <allee> froud: polishing is done before release ;)
[10:11] <froud> sure, thanks for the tip on those index.cache.bz2 files that has given me some direction.   You get the KDE outfit for free (assume the header of the kde docbook)
[10:20] <allee> looking at build log of kde apps:
[10:20] <allee> $ /usr/bin/meinproc --check --cache index.cache.bz2 /home/ach/kde/kipi/digikamimageplugins/0.7.3/digikamimageplugins-0.7.3/./doc/pt_BR_digikamimageplugins/index.docbook
[10:21] <froud> even when you dont use the kde.dtd?
[10:22] <allee> froud: no idea.  Btw. what would be the problem to use kde.dtd.  AFAIU it's a docbook extention (or whatever the right SGML name is for it)
[10:22] <froud> some docs are profiled and therefore shared for gnome
[10:23] <froud> like the install guide
[10:23] <froud> also using KDE DTD reduces possabilities
[10:23] <froud> for example print output
[10:23] <froud> xml > xsl;fo > pdf
[10:23] <allee> hmm, would it be hard to replace browish with blueish? in the ubuntu.dtd
[10:24] <froud> we dont have an ubuntu.dtd only the docbook.dtd
[10:24] <froud> do you see brown now?
[10:24] <froud> u using a gnome desktop?
[10:25] <froud> the css file used in help://common/kde-default.css
[10:25] <allee> froud: X again broken on breezy here.  So all I see right now is stuff on the web :(
[10:25] <froud> Ah
[10:25] <froud> if you r using konqueror or khelpcenter it will use the css above
[10:26] <froud> the cross refernces between Kubuntu docs to KDE docs also use the help:/ io-slave
[10:27] <froud> so we can do help://foo-app
[10:27] <froud> help:/foo-app
[10:27] <froud> At this time I will ship only HTML
[10:27] <allee> I promise to fix X once again and try (hopefully uniq has some debs then ;)
[10:28] <froud> mainly because of publishing features
[10:28] <froud> KDE allows this
[10:28] <froud> but in GNOME they only want to ship XML
[10:29] <allee> can konqy display XML already?
[10:30] <froud> no
[10:30] <allee> :(
[10:30] <froud> I dont think it should
[10:30] <froud> xml is not made for presentation
[10:30] <froud> its faster to load xml
[10:31] <froud> its faster to load html
[10:31] <froud> sorry
[10:31] <froud> but it seems that in kde the html is compiled into bz2
[10:31] <allee> I know that docbook is slower (that's the reason why index.cache.bz is there;) how does gnome help display the XML stuff?
[10:32] <allee> I assume otherwise kde docs get too big
[10:32] <froud> yelp does on the fly transformation
[10:32] <allee> without bz2
[10:32] <froud> yes
[10:32] <froud> bz2 makes sense
[10:32] <uniq> froud: fyi yelp can't read .xhtml.gz. i asked shaunm.
[10:32] <allee> khelpcenter does on the fly of *.docbook too but it's slow due to docbook -> html conversion
[10:33] <froud> but not using the nwalsh xsl if you dont have equivalent xsl is not an option IMHO
[10:33] <froud> uniq: Hmm, I thought it did. thanks for the update
[10:33] <froud> allee yes
[10:33] <froud> meinproc
[10:33] <allee> bbl
[10:33] <uniq> froud: reads gziped info and manpages.. but not xhtml
[10:34] <froud> he  he
[10:34] <uniq> he said it's easy to implement though.
[10:34] <froud> OK
[10:35] <froud> uniq: for now I just want to ship the html. Perhaps we can use bz2 to make it smaller
[10:35] <froud> allee I have not used the .docbook extension
[10:35] <uniq> froud: we can think about that later. first make the docs, then make the package, and then optimize later :)
[10:36] <froud> cool
[10:46] <uniq> /usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/html/docbook.xsl
[10:46] <uniq> can i have a copy of that file please?
[10:46] <froud> sudo apt-get docbook-xsl
[10:47] <froud> uniq: do you have a full checkout of https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk
[10:48] <uniq> no, and i don't want that either :)
[10:48] <uniq> i just want kde-stuff for this package.
[10:48] <froud> Hmm if you want to build you will need it
[10:48] <froud> we have shared external entities
[10:48] <uniq> no, i need libs/ common/ and this file..
[10:48] <froud> sure that will work too :-)
[10:48] <uniq> i include what i need file by file :)
[10:48] <uniq> to make a clean package.
[10:49] <froud> OK but you dont need to package those for HTML
[10:49] <pef> hi
[10:50] <uniq> froud: i just do 'make kall'.
[10:50] <froud> OK
[10:51] <uniq> and make kall asks for this file.
[10:52] <froud> yes it is part of docbook-xsl so you can do sudo apt-get install docbook-xsl
[10:52] <froud> its not a single file, but a whole package
[10:52] <uniq> ok. great.
[10:53] <uniq> thanks.
[10:53] <froud> no thanks to you
[10:53] <uniq> (i should have thought of that myself, didn't boother searching packages.ubuntu.com)
[11:16] <froud> nite all
[11:43] <Riddell> uniq: around?
[11:43] <uniq> riddell: yes
[11:43] <uniq> nice to se you around :)
[11:43] <Riddell> uniq: amd64 kde 3.4.1 on kubuntu.org now, could you test
[11:44] <Riddell> yes sorry, been moving house
[11:44] <uniq> ah ok, no problem.
[11:45] <uniq> i closed some bugs in kubuntu-desktop and kubutu-default-settings too.
[11:45] <uniq> and i have a kio-apt test-package ready.
[11:45] <uniq> i can download and test the packages, yes.
[11:55] <Riddell> uniq: koffice too
[11:57] <uniq> ok. will restart dist-upgrade.


[02:27] <nooby_god> I'm goging to write a wiki article on the linux-wlan-ng drivers
[02:27] <nooby_god> how ever my ability to explain isn't so great, is the a documentation 'scratch pad' somewhere?
[02:27] <mdke> nooby_god: sounds great. Is there anything about it already?
[02:28] <nooby_god> mdke: some of it is taked in a guide already but it did not work for me
[02:28] <mdke> nooby_god: the best thing is to try and improve that guide, by correcting it where it doesn't work. Does that make sense?
[02:29] <nooby_god> ok
[02:29] <mdke> nooby_god: for help editing the wiki, check out the WikiGuide page
[02:30] <nooby_god> the guide that already talks about it has the correct documentation
[02:30] <nooby_god> but it doesn't work anymore because of this bug -> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/21569
[02:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 21569 in linux-source-2.6.15 "prism2_usb: requires wlanctl-ng commands in order to work properly" [Medium,Confirmed]
[02:31] <mdke> ah, ok. Sounds like you have a good idea about what is going on
[02:31] <mdke> maybe you can just add a note to work around that bug
[02:32] <nooby_god> is there a scratchpad for socumentation some where?
[02:32] <nooby_god> or should I just ass stuff onto the wiki
[02:33] <LaserJock> bah, is Burgwork the only mediawiki guy?
[02:33] <LaserJock> mdke: thanks :-)
[02:33] <LaserJock> nooby_god: hi again!
[02:33] <LaserJock> nooby_god: do you have a personal page on the wiki?
[02:34] <nooby_god> hey LaserJock I gave up on creating packages, too much I didn't know
[02:34] <nooby_god> uhh not yet
[02:34] <LaserJock> like my page is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JordanMantha
[02:35] <crimsun_> nooby_god: (most packages are fairly straightforward)
[02:35] <LaserJock> you could then use sub pages of that for a scratch pad
[02:35] <nooby_god> ah, I see LaserJoc, just like wikipedia
[02:36] <nooby_god> crimsun_: let's discuss this on the appropriate channel
[02:37] <crimsun_> nooby_god: if it's a documentation issue (ala PG), it's as appropriate here.
[02:37] <nooby_god> uhh not a documentation issue, more like my intelligence issue
[04:51] <Madpilot> hi all
[04:52] <gobbe> hi
[04:55] <LaserJock> hi Madpilot
[04:55] <LaserJock> Madpilot: you ever set up a mediawiki wiki?
[04:55] <Madpilot> looks like a good agenda for tomorrow's meeting - too bad I'll be stuck at work :|
[04:55] <Plug> I have, if you need help?
[04:56] <LaserJock> Plug: ah sweet
[04:56] <Plug> It was all very simple at the time. :)
[04:56] <Madpilot> LaserJock, nope, but I gather it's fairly turnkey
[04:56] <LaserJock> Plug: I don't understand what the WikiSysops user part is about
[04:56] <Plug> I didn't use a package, but I believe there is a reasonably up to date one
[04:56] <Plug> WikiSysop is the first user created
[04:57] <Plug> you use that account to create others
[04:57] <LaserJock> but it isn't in the data base
[04:57] <Plug> or you can set up external auth.
[04:57] <Plug> I think its in LocalSettings.php
[04:57] <LaserJock> I can't figure out how to administer anything
[04:57] <Plug> start with LocalSettings.php
[04:57] <Plug> you should have a wikisysop password defined in there
[04:57] <Plug> I'll be back in 45mins or so sorry, lunch now
[04:57] <LaserJock> ok, so WikiSysops doesn't do anything/
[04:57] <LaserJock> ?
[04:58] <Plug> WikiSysop is a user
[04:58] <Plug> there is a sysops group
[04:58] <LaserJock> but I can't login as that user
[04:58] <LaserJock> so what's the point?
[04:58] <Plug> and a beauracracts group as well
[04:58] <Plug> the point is you should be able to :)
[04:58] <Plug> bbl
[04:58] <LaserJock> oh
[04:58] <Plug> (sorry about my shit timing)
[04:58] <LaserJock> np
[05:00] <LaserJock> bah, I don't see anything in LocalSettings.php
[05:43] <Madpilot> gah, more wiki vandalising morons - Henrik seems to have spent quite a bit of time reverting from this one :|
[05:43] <nixternal> http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/368/data5ze.gif
[05:44] <Madpilot> hehe
[05:44] <nixternal> so has he done a lot of vandalising or no?
[05:47] <Madpilot> henrik wasn't the vandal
[05:49] <Plug> Laser_away: I'm back now
[05:49] <Plug> but you're not :)
[06:22] <LaserJock> Plug: still around?
[06:23] <Plug> yo
[06:23] <LaserJock> ok
[06:23] <LaserJock> so I can't find my WikiSysops and I can't login as that user either
[06:23] <Plug> right
[06:23] <Plug>                    be some hot lesbian action
[06:24] <Plug> (wrong thing to paste ;)
[06:24] <Plug> http://localhost/mediawiki/config
[06:24] <Plug> on that page, you define your db settings and sysop credentials
[06:24] <LaserJock> it says already configured
[06:25] <Plug> Did you install it from source or a package?
[06:25] <LaserJock> source
[06:25] <LaserJock> I mean I ran all the stuff, the wiki is up
[06:25] <LaserJock> I even created a new user
[06:25] <Plug> well, on that page, you should have been able to define your sysop username/pwd.  Do you know that?
[06:26] <LaserJock> yes
[06:26] <LaserJock> I did that
[06:26] <LaserJock> that's what I'm saying
[06:26] <LaserJock> I did that but now I can't log in as that user
[06:26] <Plug> right, sorry for being wordy; now I know exactly where you're at.
[06:26] <LaserJock> np
[06:27] <Plug> the first user in my 'user' table is wikisysop
[06:27] <LaserJock> bah
[06:28] <LaserJock> :(
[06:28] <Plug> you said it wasn't there for you
[06:28] <LaserJock> no, it's not
[06:28] <Plug> hmmm, maybe it couldn't write to the DB at the time
[06:28] <LaserJock> so does that mean the first user made would be the sysop
[06:29] <Plug> nope
[06:29] <Plug> user_group table
[06:29] <Plug> user_groups sorry
[06:30] <Plug> create a row where ug_user = your user ID and ug_group = "sysop"
[06:30] <Plug> also another row where ug_user = your user ID and ug_group = "bureaucrat"
[06:30] <LaserJock> so as long as I have at least one sysop and bureaucrat I'll be ok?
[06:31] <Plug> well, yeah
[06:31] <Plug> as long as your account is a sysop you can do the rest from within mediawiki
[06:31] <LaserJock> I just wondered if WikiSysop was a specail sysop
[06:32] <Plug> I don't believe so.  I recall you can set the name on the config screen too
[06:32] <LaserJock> yeah
[06:43] <Plug> Any luck, LaserJock?
[06:44] <LaserJock> well ...
[06:44] <LaserJock> I'm not the sysadmin so it's going to take a while to test :-)
[06:44] <LaserJock> I asked in #mediawiki as well
[06:44] <LaserJock> one guy said to just wipe it and start over
[06:44] <LaserJock> but I think your idea seems logical
[06:52] <Plug> You don't need to wipe and start over with Linux. :)
[06:53] <Plug> let me know how it goes for you.
[06:53] <Plug> bbl
[07:49] <jsgotangco> hello hello
[08:22] <nixternal> http://www.flickr.com/photos/nixternal/sets/72157594167289193/
[08:36] <jsgotangco> au revoir!
[10:21] <mdke> morning
[10:22] <matthewrevell> morning
[02:38] <bhuvan> how do we change the topic in #ubuntu-meeting ?
[02:38] <mdke> not sure
[02:39] <bhuvan> mdke: it seem to be based on the calendar in: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event
[02:40] <bhuvan> docteam meeting is wrongly set as jun 15. as per Agenda it was/is jun 16 15utc
[02:41] <Plug> web says 1700UTC?
[02:41] <jjesse> its 1700 utc
[02:41] <Plug> or 5am Plug-time :(
[02:41] <jjesse> bummer plug
[02:41] <jjesse> 1pm jjesse time :)
[02:42] <mdke> bhuvan: yes
[02:42] <bhuvan> Plug: yeah it is 1700UTC
[02:42] <Plug> In that case, I look forward to reading the minutes!
[02:43] <Plug> While I'm here, anyone know why all of GNOME is updated in dapper-updates atm?
[02:44] <mdke> Plug: yes, because it fixes bugs
[02:44] <Plug> figured :)
[02:45] <Plug> The changelogs in the updater are MIA.
[02:45] <mdke> yes
[02:45] <mdke> bbl
[04:01] <matthewrevell> Afternoon guys
[05:39] <nixternal> meeting in 1hr15min
[05:40] <Laser_away> wow, we have a time keeper ;-)
[05:41] <jsgotangco> wow there's a meeting?
[05:41] <jsgotangco> but i have to sleep :/
[05:41] <archis> nixternal, thanks :)
[05:42] <nixternal> hehe
[05:42] <nixternal> that is what kontact is telling me
[05:42] <mdke> hi archis
[05:42] <Laser_away> jsgotangco: no sleep :-)
[05:42] <mdke> nice work on the wiki
[05:42] <jeffsch> Laser_away: did you get your mediawiki problems worked out?
[05:42] <jsgotangco> what sort of problems?
[05:42] <archis> mkde heya
[05:42] <Laser_away> jeffsch: I don't know, I'm waiting for the sysadmin to email me back
[05:43] <Laser_away> jeffsch: when I get in to school I'll drop by his office
[05:44] <jeffsch> Laser_away:  ah. you are installing in a /home directory?
[05:45] <Laser_away> jeffsch: no, on the department server /www
[05:45] <jeffsch> do you have root access to it?
[05:45] <Laser_away> jsgotangco: I tried to set up a mediawiki at work but I ended up without a sysops
[05:46] <jsgotangco> doh
[05:46] <Laser_away> jeffsch: no, hence the waiting for the sysadmin ;-)
[05:46] <jsgotangco> that's weird
[05:46] <Laser_away> and since this was my first time trying mediawiki I wasn't sure what to do
[05:46] <jsgotangco> even if you install it in a home director sysop is still the first account created...
[05:46] <jeffsch> Laser_away: hmm... do you at least have permissions to chown in /www?
[05:47] <Laser_away> jeffsch: hmm, not sure
[05:47] <jsgotangco> honestly mediawiki is one of the easiest server apps that can be installed from a tgz
[05:47] <Laser_away> jsgotangco: not in this case :(
[05:47] <jsgotangco> interesting
[05:48] <Laser_away> so now we have 2 users (sysadmin and I) and no sysops :-)
[05:48] <jeffsch> if you copy the mediawiki tarball to, say, /www/mediawiki, then chown /www/mediawiki/config to www-data, you should be good to go
[05:48] <jeffsch> copy the contents of the tarball, that is
[05:48] <Laser_away> jeffsch: ?
[05:49] <jeffsch> assuming www-data is the username of the web server
[05:49] <jeffsch> did you install from a .tar.gz file?
[05:50] <Laser_away> config is already owned by www-data
[05:50] <jeffsch> ok, then you can go to http://servername/mediawiki?
[05:51] <Laser_away> jeffsch: yeah, and get the wiki
[05:51] <jeffsch> does it say "Please set up the wiki first"?
[05:51] <Laser_away> no
[05:51] <Laser_away> I already set it up
[05:51] <Laser_away> it all works
[05:51] <Laser_away> there just isn't a sysops user
[05:52] <jsgotangco> hrmmmm
[05:52] <jsgotangco> maybe there was a previous instance
[05:52] <Laser_away> nope
[05:52] <Laser_away> never *any* wikis on this server
[05:52] <jsgotangco> well its interesting to know that you didn't set it up at all
[05:52] <jeffsch> on the setup page, there's no fields for superuser account and superuser password?
[05:52] <Laser_away> there was
[05:52] <Laser_away> we set it up
[05:52] <Laser_away> but it never created the user
[05:53] <jeffsch> those are for the root user on the MySQL database, not for the operating system
[05:53] <Laser_away> yeah
[05:54] <jeffsch> did it ever create a LocalSettings.php?
[05:54] <Laser_away> yeah
[05:54] <Laser_away> jeffsch: can you hang on for like 30 min. I've got to get into school
[05:54] <jeffsch> ok
[05:55] <Laser_away> basically, as far as I can tell, it's a perfectly working wiki except there is no sysops user
[06:15] <LaserJock> phew, back
[06:17] <LaserJock> jeffsch: we did have a mysql error when we first tryed configuring the wiki
[06:17] <LaserJock> jeffsch: I guess that's got to be the problem
[06:17] <LaserJock> but I is kinda odd
[06:18] <jeffsch> what was the error?
[06:19] <LaserJock> gosh, I can't exactly remember
[06:19] <LaserJock> something about being over 500 in a key or something
[06:19] <LaserJock> but I know basically nothing about mysql
[06:20] <jeffsch> i suggest redoing it from scratch... i just finished a fresh install while you were on your way to school... it easier than trying to figure out what went wrong
[06:20] <LaserJock> yeah
[06:20] <LaserJock> it's pretty painless, if it works :-)
[06:26] <jeffsch> k, i hafta go now.... have a nice meeting guys
[06:27] <LaserJock> jeffsch: thanks for looking at my wiki problem
[06:30] <LaserJock> mdke: did you merge common stuff? My merged PG can't find lulu-store
[06:30] <mdke> LaserJock: what is lulu-store?
[06:30] <LaserJock> the URL for lulu
[06:30] <mdke> ah. No I haven't
[06:30] <LaserJock> I don't think I made it up :-)
[06:44] <Exdaix> *twiddles his thumbs*
[06:44] <LaserJock> bah, why is there a index.php in the path of my wiki ? :/
[06:50] <LaserJock> mdke: are you working on merging common? should I commit what I have now?
[06:53] <jjesse> doc team meeting in a couple of minutes right?
[06:53] <Exdaix> That's my impression
[06:56] <bhuvan> jjesse: yes
[07:02] <mdke> DonSc!
[07:02] <DonSc> hey mdke
[07:02] <mdke> heya
[07:02] <jjesse> meeting begining in #ubuntu-meeting
[07:02] <mdke> I have to go home
[07:02] <mdke> I'll catch up on the log
[07:02] <jjesse> bummer
[07:02] <DonSc> figured I'd pop in and say hello
[08:39] <LaserJock> mdke: you're here?
[08:40] <mdke> LaserJock: yes
[08:40] <mdke> meeting still on?
[08:40] <LaserJock> yes
[08:40] <LaserJock> we had a rousing discussion of your proposal
[08:40] <mdke> good
[08:40] <mdke> i'll catch up on the log later
[08:41] <LaserJock> you should of been there
[08:41] <LaserJock> I had to explain it
[08:41] <LaserJock> and I don't even know that much :-)
[08:41] <mdke> does my page not explain it?>
[08:41] <LaserJock> well, people got somewhat confused at times
[08:42] <LaserJock> it's just a radical and big change :-)
[08:55] <bhuvan> ok guys, i'm moving on
[08:58] <mdke> LaserJock: what was the general view?
[09:10] <LaserJock> mdke: general view of?
[09:25] <mdke> LaserJock: that idea of breaking down the help system a bit
[09:28] <LaserJock> I think it was ok
[09:28] <LaserJock> people didn't seem to get the idea right away, maybe I don't get it and maybe I didn't explain it very well
[10:09] <LaserJock> \o/ I've got my first real wiki
[10:09] <mdke> unofficial ubuntu docs eh?
[10:10] <LaserJock> no
[10:10] <mdke> my lulu book arrived today, looks really nice
[10:10] <LaserJock> yeah? cool
[10:10] <LaserJock> I created the University of Nevada, Reno Chemistry Graduate Student Association website ;-)
[10:11] <mdke> cool
[10:11] <LaserJock> it's mediawiki
[10:11] <mdke> uncool
[10:11] <LaserJock> we tried moin first
[10:11] <LaserJock> but SuSe didn't have python 2.2 :(
[10:11] <LaserJock> 2.4
[10:12] <mdke> eh?
[10:12] <mdke> it should work with 2.3, surely
[10:12] <LaserJock> not out of the box, distutils poroblem
[10:13] <LaserJock> anyway, the sysadmin already had a LAMP setup
[10:13] <mdke> Python 2.3 is the minimum requirement for MoinMoin 1.5, but we suggest you use the latest Python release version.
[10:13] <LaserJock> yeah
[10:14] <LaserJock> but apparently SuSE 9.3 didn't have distutils
[10:14] <mdke> dunno what distutils is, but it sounds like SUSE sucks
[10:14] <LaserJock> if it was me, I would have gotten Moin to work, but the sysadmin didn't want to bother with it
[10:15] <LaserJock> distutils is what is used to install python apps, ala python setup.py
[10:16] <LaserJock> anyway, I've never used mediawiki so this will be a chance to take it for a spin
[10:16] <mdke> nod
[10:16] <mdke> got the theme going?
[10:16] <LaserJock> right now it's just default
[10:17] <LaserJock> I had problems getting the administrator user setup (something weird happened when installing)
[10:17] <mdke> i saw
[10:17] <LaserJock> so now I need to get user stuff setup and I'll work on themeing/content
[10:17] <mdke> cool, enjoy
[10:18] <LaserJock> I hope so
[10:18] <LaserJock> I also got to do some Ubuntu evangelizing with the sysadmin ;-)
[10:19] <LaserJock> mdke: oh, and the super top secret project is in dapper-changes :-)
[10:21] <mdke> non free software eh
[10:21] <LaserJock> yeah
[10:21] <LaserJock> I should take a shower
[10:21] <LaserJock> it was ... interesting
[10:22] <mdke> what is it?
[10:23] <LaserJock> http://userful.com/products/dm
[10:23] <mdke> hope you got a few bob out of it :)
[10:23] <mdke> to compensate for touching multiverse
[10:23] <LaserJock> enough to almost cover the cost of my passport
[10:24] <mdke> heh
[10:24] <mdke> so it's like a thin client thing?
[10:24] <LaserJock> kinda
[10:24] <LaserJock> I'm not too sure of what exactly it does, but it has it's own X
[10:25] <LaserJock> anyway, it was an interesting experience
[10:25] <mdke> :)
[10:25] <LaserJock> I learned a few things about debconf and the corporate software world
[10:25] <LaserJock> I even had my first conference call ;-)
[10:29] <LaserJock> mdke: hehe, maybe he should use "real" software ;-) j/k
[10:36] <nixternal> http://static.flickr.com/52/168487574_d98223264a_o.png
[10:36] <nixternal> take a guess on what im working on :)
[10:37] <mdke> LaserJock: tbh, evolution would probably have done worse
[10:37] <mdke> nixternal: what's that "Matt" one >_<
[10:37] <nixternal> muhahah
[10:37] <nixternal> that is your proposal
[10:37] <nixternal> had it open from the meeting
[10:37] <mdke> aha
[10:38] <nixternal> reading it and re-reading it so i can understand the system fully
[10:38] <mdke> i thought you were spying on me
[10:38] <nixternal> lol
[10:39] <nixternal> already did that...don't need to do it again ;)
[10:39] <nixternal> hehe
[10:39] <mdke> I'll make an effort to tidy up that page to make it a bit clearer
[10:40] <nixternal> it was made pretty clear by LaserJock thats for sure
[10:40] <nixternal> he did a damn fine job of wording it in the meeting
[10:40] <mdke> ah, splendid
[10:53] <mdke> LaserJock: "it will take a lot of hard work and *really* good communication with upstreams"
[10:53] <mdke> LaserJock: I don't think communication with upstream is necessary, the idea is just to bring in the docs that exist from upstream
[10:55] <mdke> using ghelp links it would work fine
[11:00] <LaserJock> mdke: wasn't think of evo (I can never get it to work)
[11:00] <LaserJock> I wasn't sure how much upstream would be needed but I thought that perhaps they would need to be consulted
[11:01] <mdke> in terms of patching upstream docs, maybe we'd need to keep aware of changes, yeah. But I think patching upstream docs would be too much effort for this release cycle
[11:01] <mdke> just linking them in would already be a significant improvement
[11:02] <LaserJock> yeah
[11:02] <LaserJock> I agree
[11:02] <mdke> possibly do a quick s/Desktop Menu/System Menu
[11:02] <LaserJock> there is soo much documentation that is in yelp already, we just need to present it better, IMHO
[11:03] <mdke> well, don't forget that my idea would involve cutting out most of the stuff that appears in the various TOCs at the moment
[11:03] <LaserJock> mdke: like what?
[11:03] <mdke> well, realistically, most of them
[11:03] <LaserJock> :(
[11:04] <LaserJock> I like my little weird docs
[11:04] <mdke> I'd say things like the gnome user guide, accessibility guide, and so on are things we should be able to accomodate really nicely
[11:04] <mdke> the other stuff is more difficult, and don't forget that if we do it, ubuntu-docs will need to depend on any other packages that supply docs we link
[11:04] <mdke> obviously, they'd still be available from the search bar
[11:04] <LaserJock> there isn't a way to add them in dynamically?
[11:05] <mdke> well, the whole point is binning the category system
[11:06] <LaserJock> hmm, we need a mock up or something
[11:06] <mdke> yes, I'll do a bit of work on it
[11:06] <LaserJock> I'm getting confused too
[11:06] <LaserJock> :-)
[11:06] <mdke> but to be honest, most of the docs indexed in yelp at the moment are totally useless
[11:07] <mdke> from the point of view of desktop documentation, the man and info pages are a hindrance, rather than a feature
[11:07] <LaserJock> like what happens when  we have Dive into Python installed? where does it go
[11:07] <linuxmonkey> just like windows docs mdke..totally useless
[11:07] <mdke> LaserJock: that's easy
[11:07] <mdke> LaserJock: we do it already, see the Programming section of the desktop guide
[11:07] <LaserJock> mdke: well, yes, that one is
[11:07] <mdke> same principle
[11:08] <LaserJock> but what if the user installs pygtk, where would the go to get the tutorial and reference?
[11:08] <LaserJock> maybe that is a bit better example
[11:08] <mdke> where do they go now?
[11:09] <LaserJock> well, glade is in Applications -> Programming
[11:09] <mdke> do people look there, or do they just get a browser and find it on their filesystem?
[11:09] <LaserJock> I use yelp
[11:09] <LaserJock> but ...
[11:10] <LaserJock> I'd really like to use the help system for these things
[11:10] <LaserJock> there is a lot of good info
[11:10] <mdke> I see your point
[11:10] <LaserJock> there is bzr documentation
[11:10] <LaserJock> lots of good programming stuff
[11:10] <mdke> potentially we'd need a way to link to what is in applications/programming now from one of our subpages
[11:10] <LaserJock> science apps
[11:11] <LaserJock> maxima has good docs in Applications -> Science
[11:11] <mdke> so we'd need a way to get links to those pages going
[11:12] <mdke> tricky, I'm not sure that can be done, I'll ask the yelp guys
[11:12] <LaserJock> it seems to me that a system sort of like the menu would be cool
[11:12] <mdke> if it can't, we'll have to bin my plan and hope that upstream improve the categories for 2.16
[11:12] <LaserJock> so in the menu you have .desktop files that describe what categories the app belongs to
[11:12] <mdke> LaserJock: that's the current system
[11:13] <LaserJock> and then the menu system takes the .desktops and figures out how to display them
[11:13] <LaserJock> k
[11:13] <mdke> note how Applications follows the menu
[11:13] <LaserJock> right
[11:14] <LaserJock> I'm just saying you could probably dump most of that into "Using your desktop"
[11:15] <LaserJock> dump System Tools into "Administering your system" or something
[11:15] <mdke> yes
[11:15] <LaserJock> I don't know, but it seems like there's got to be a way of doing this in a way the helps user find what the want
[11:16] <LaserJock> but I don't know any of the internals so I'm just spouting off right now ;-)
[11:16] <mdke> yes, I will chat to the yelp guys
[11:17] <LaserJock> this biggest problem for me WRT documentation has been that I didn't know that I had all this documentation sitting right there in front of me
[11:17] <LaserJock> I always assumed you had to go online
[11:17] <mdke> yeah
[11:17] <mdke> everyone does
[11:17] <nixternal> what is the quickest and best way to report a change for h.u.c concerning the about-kubuntu documentation?
[11:17] <mdke> nixternal: you mean a bug?
[11:17] <nixternal> not a bug..or a change sorry...there is just old info in the current doc...just needs an update/refresher
[11:18] <mdke> that's a bug
[11:18] <mdke> https://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-doc/+bugs
[11:18] <nixternal> roger tha
[11:18] <nixternal> t
[11:18] <mdke> it's too late to do anything about it for dapper though
[11:18] <nixternal> oh ok
[11:18] <nixternal> then no worries
[11:18] <mdke> if you file it, we can fix it for the next release
[11:20] <nixternal> it has kubuntu with kde 3.5.2 which is now 3.5.3...no biggy really...as for edgy..don't know the version yet...im guessing as of right now 3.5.3, unless there are updates
[11:21] <mdke> gotcha
[11:21] <nixternal> might be a stupid question, but why don't they allow for changes to current releases?
[11:22] <mdke> it's not "them", it's us, doing so would break our translation infrastructure... we could think about a clever way to update text, and allow a certain amount of time for translation before committing it, I suppose, but we don't have one right now
[11:22] <nixternal> ahhh
[11:22] <nixternal> ok
[11:22] <nixternal> thx for that info...
[11:22] <mdke> np
[11:24] <nixternal> so now we start looking forward to Edgy documentation, which i can't wait for ;)
[11:25] <mdke> that's it
[11:29] <linuxmonkey> anyone know when kde 4 is due out, will it be in time for edgy


[02:15] <thomax> Trying to put linux into a windows computer. Windows blocks or corrupts everything I try. I have followed ALL instructions, to the letter, and no results. I have loaded WSL, but my input says it's not activated, but THEY do not tell how to activate it. I have two new CD's from Ubuntu store, but they won't activate either. Nothing I have tried, even
[02:15] <thomax> on the windows computer will take me to the start page. If I could get there, I can upgrade, install, and get rid of windows. Any help would HELP... Thanx
[02:42] <Eickmeyer> Having trouble understanding where that's even remotely on-topic.
[19:15] <arraybolt3> Umm... got a slight issue here (and yes this is something I can fix myself but wanted to mention here in case it's worth a bug report). I just plugged an SSD with a Debian 11 BIOS installation on it into an EFI machine, and am attempting to install Ubuntu Studio Jammy on top of it. I'm at the Partitions screen, and I get three options - Install
[19:15] <arraybolt3> alongside, Replace a partition, and Manual partitioning. For some reason I thought there should be an "Erase disk" option here too.
[19:16] <arraybolt3> The SSD is a 1 TB MBR drive currently, with a large primary partition containing Debian at the start, and a small logical partition with swap at the end.
[19:16] <arraybolt3> Bug report worthy, or shall I just say "hmph, weird" and move on?
[19:16] <arraybolt3> btw this is the daily Jammy image, not the usual 22.04.3 image.
[19:17] <arraybolt3> (since I'm doing an SRU verification test)
[19:17] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer: ^
[19:23] <arraybolt3> also my sha256sum on the ISO is good and Etcher claims that the data saved to the drive was able to be accurately verified.
[19:27] <arraybolt3> Just went ahead and manual partitioned my way through.
[20:33] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: Sorry, I've been out sick today.
[20:34] <Eickmeyer> "hrumph, weird" sounds about right though. No clue what would've changed since .3


[08:02] <Dennis_V_R> Hello. Does enyone could answer, please, the question about LXpanel: https://askubuntu.com/questions/927085/lubuntu-16-04-with-lxde-maximisation-of-qt-applications-from-system-tray
[19:39] <tsimonq2> High-DPI support is coming to LXQt soon fwiw.
[19:39] <tsimonq2> I know wxl will like that with his<PHONE_NUMBER>02367986953786798249086894789x50879340859042358234905043825094385902349058 monitor :P


[13:54] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[20:39] <mparillo> On JJ, System Settings > Icons Breeze Dark looks, well, like Breeze again.
[22:32] <RikMills> mparillo: cool
[23:46] <valorie> weeee
[23:46] <valorie> Sysinfo for 'valorie-Oryx-Pro': Running inside KDE Plasma 5.22.5 on Ubuntu 21.10 (Impish Indri) powered by Linux 5.15.8-76051508-generic, CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-7700HQ CPU @ 2.80GHz at 907-2800/3800 MHz, RAM: 3316/32056 MB, Storage: 375/1144 GB, 263 procs, 0.12h up
[23:46] <valorie> that took awhile.....
[23:48] <valorie> everything super so far
 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/5838a54e/giphy.mp4


[06:26] <themill> xnox: thanks! now to find out if this upstream has heard of Python 3 yet....
[11:04] <xnox> themill:  they have not


[14:47] <ahayzen> Hi, i'm trying to run autopilot on device (#51utopic) for the music-app but i keep getting ImportError: No module named 'ubuntuuitoolkit' any ideas what I have done wrong?
[15:04] <elopio> barry: do you know why your dialer py3 branch is failing?
[15:08] <barry> elopio: i don't
[15:08] <barry> raise StateNotFoundError(type_name, **kwargs)
[15:08] <barry> autopilot.exceptions.StateNotFoundError: Object not found with name '*' and properties {'objectName': 'historyDelegate0'}.
[15:10] <barry> elopio: i'll merge in trunk (which has changed a bit) and re-push.  let's see if that helps
[15:10] <thomi> ahayzen: Hi - it sounds like you don't have the ubuntu-ui-toolkit-autopilot package installed
[15:11] <ahayzen> thomi, hmm how does that get installed on device? phablet-click-test-setup ?
[15:12] <thomi> ahayzen: ummm, I'm not actually sure - I thought it was in the image seed, but perhaps not.
[15:12] <thomi> ahayzen: this should be all you need: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Testing
[15:12]  * ahayzen notices some strange bzr errors and runs it again
[15:13] <ahayzen> thomi, cool thanks :) ... also do you know anything about the issue of autopilot trying to write to /tmp ?
[15:13] <thomi> ahayzen: I know that autopilot writes to /tmp, I wasn't aware there was an issue
[15:13] <ahayzen> thomi, i believe calendar was fixed? but i think we (music-app) suffer the same issue https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app/+bug/1319382
[15:14] <thomi> ahayzen: ahhhhh, I've just been looking at that code
[15:14] <ahayzen> thomi, we are going to try and land this soon https://code.launchpad.net/~music-app-dev/music-app/use-mediascanner2.0/+merge/214140 which redoes alot of autopilot stuff but it still suffers the same issue
[15:14] <thomi> ahayzen: The first pass fix is in, I believe, but it needs some bug fixing
[15:15] <thomi> ahayzen: check out the recent revisions to calendar-app maybe
[15:15] <ahayzen> thomi, ok thanks
[15:15]  * thomi reads the MP
[15:16] <ahayzen> thomi, autopilot is running now \o/ not sure what happened before had things like 'bzr: ERROR: Server sent an unexpected error'
[15:16] <thomi> ahayzen: :-/
[15:16] <thomi> ahh well, at least it works now
[15:17] <ahayzen> thomi, i'll retry the mediascanner2 branch see if that suffers the same apparmor stuff we had last week
[15:17] <thomi> ok
[15:17] <thomi> sorry I can't be more useful. balloons should be back soon I think
[15:18] <ahayzen> yeah must have picked up something in malta :( poor balloons
[15:25] <cgoldberg> barry.. ping ... got a sec?   I was just reading about API changes in psutil 2.0 package ... and ran across your request to get psutil updated in debian: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=741291
[15:26] <barry> cgoldberg: yep
[15:26] <barry> cgoldberg: fwiw, i just fixed a related breakage in system-image
[15:26] <cgoldberg> barry.  we use psutil inside Autopilot.  seems easy to port to 2.0... but I'm trying to figure out when that package will reach Ubuntu?
[15:27] <barry> cgoldberg: utopic has 2.1.1 now
[15:27] <barry> (trusty still has 1.2.1)
[15:27] <cgoldberg> barry.. wow.. and Autopilot didn't break in Utopic?
[15:27] <cgoldberg> ah.. most API changes are just deprecated, not removed
[15:28] <barry> cgoldberg: yep.  the one that broke for me is Process.cmdline -it's now a function
[15:28] <ahayzen> thomi, yeah it is still being denied things to /tmp i'll see if i can patch up similar to calendar, thanks for your help :)
[15:28] <elopio> barry: yes, thanks. I'll take a look in a while.
[15:29] <barry> cgoldberg: https://github.com/giampaolo/psutil/blob/master/HISTORY.rst#200---2014-03-10
[15:30] <cgoldberg> yea.. i know we use get_children in Autopilot... and maybe a few other things.    I'll search the Autopilot codebase and see what else we use and create a task for my team of porting to psutil 2.x
[15:30] <barry> cgoldberg: cool.  let me know if i can help
[15:30] <cgoldberg> barry, thanks.  I hope it will be trivial though
[15:31] <barry> cgoldberg: should be i think.  np!
[15:31] <cgoldberg> although, i think there are areas around process management that we don't use psutil for and we probably should
[15:32]  * thomi makes a sadface at psutil landing without running the AP tests
[15:32] <thomi> cgoldberg: can you figure out if that's actually broken something, and if it has, barry can we back it out please?
[15:33] <thomi> I'm getting uo to my EOD :(
[15:33] <cgoldberg> thomi, I'm not here btw :)  day off.. just stopped in because i read a blog post about psutil
[15:33] <thomi> doh :(
[15:33] <cgoldberg> thomi, want me to add a task to our backlog for porting to psutil 2.x ?
[15:33] <barry> thomi: i don't think we should back out psutil update.  the api differences should be easy to work around, even if you want to maintain pre-2.0 compatibility
[15:34] <cgoldberg> i can do the port once after I get my video fixture landed
[15:34] <thomi> cgoldberg: well, I'd rather have it fixed than have a card, but sure, knock yourself out :)
[15:34] <thomi> barry: I guess i'm woried about "autopilot being broken" right now in the image, since we've just made a release
[15:35] <thomi> I can see it'd be easy for people to do a 2+2=5
[15:35] <cgoldberg> thomi, i can get it fixed this week.. but will put a card up so i dont forget :)
[15:35] <barry> cgoldberg: thanks.  yeah, it would be a royal PITA to revert the psutil update in utopic
[15:37] <cgoldberg> thomi, i'm still trying to decipher if anything broke, or if we are just getting deprecation messages
[15:44] <cgoldberg> thomi, card added.. I'll chase it down tomorrow
[15:44] <cgoldberg> l8r
[15:44] <thomi> cgoldberg: thanks