[00:00] <agoole> I was wondering, why isn't there katapult for the new jaunty ?
[00:00] <agoole> xjjk: haha , ie, i'm stupid
[00:00] <PhoenixFFX> Well, yeah, I saw that, but I just can't see my router, should I download drivers or something ?
[00:00] <xjjk> agoole: it's advertised as a "feature" but it's so experimental they purposely make it difficult to find/use
[00:00] <notriddle> agoole: Alt-F2 works the same way.
[00:00] <xjjk> ubuntu supports all these fancy RAID, LVM, and encrypted installations too
[00:00] <Simon99> Is "cdromupgrade" in the desktop CD or in the alternate CD or in both?
[00:00] <adasz_> from where can i get Canon PIXMA MP450 Driver?
[00:00] <notriddle> PhoenixFFX: Have you got your router set to broadcast it's SSID?
[00:01] <xjjk> agoole: AFAIK no... KDE 4.2's krunner pretty much replaces katapult anyway
[00:01] <agoole> xjjk: krunner ??
[00:01] <notriddle> PhoenixFFX: If you can see other routers, it's probably not a driver problem.
[00:01] <PhoenixFFX> Yeah, cause when I was on XP, I could connect to it
[00:01] <xjjk> agoole: hit alt+f2
[00:01] <sudogr> hello!!I have a questio, I have kubuntu 9.04 RC how can upgrade to stable edition?without reinstall it.. thank y
[00:01] <PhoenixFFX> No, I can't see any router
[00:01] <agoole> xjjk: o0o0o
[00:01] <agoole> xjjk: shiny
[00:01] <xjjk> agoole: there is a *ton* of functionality there
[00:02] <kanonmat_> just cd and ls, Simon99 :)
[00:02] <xjjk> agoole: by default, it looks like the old kde3 dialog
[00:02] <xjjk> but there's an option to make it look like quicksilver/katapult
[00:02] <adasz_> how can i install my printer?
[00:02] <agoole> xjjk: what can I do with it ?
[00:02] <agoole> is it only to launch apps ?
[00:02] <notriddle> PhoenixFFX: Okay. When you open the Network Manager, does it list your wireless card?
[00:02] <xjjk> agoole: a lot, most of which I can't name...
[00:02] <xjjk> has a calculator
[00:02] <xjjk> can suspend/resume/etc via powerdevil
[00:03] <agoole> xjjk: oh ok ok, so i should look into it
[00:03] <xjjk> agoole: in the configure dialog, there are several plugins
[00:03] <xjjk> I haven't been bothered to learn them all, I use it mostly (exclusively) to launch apps
[00:03] <PhoenixFFX> Where is it suposed to be ?
[00:03] <xjjk> I find the kickoff menu terribe
[00:03] <xjjk> terrible8
[00:03] <notriddle> sudogr: Just upgrade the normal way.
[00:03] <notriddle> sudogr: Just upgrade the normal way.
[00:04] <agoole> xjjk: if only I could remape the key from alt f2 to alt-space, lol
[00:04]  * notriddle wishes Quassel didn't delay to list my posts.
[00:04] <xjjk> agoole: you can't?
[00:04] <sudogr> notriddl withe sudo apt-get update ???
[00:04] <xjjk> agoole: I have mine mapped to windows key + space
[00:04] <notriddle> agoole: You can.
[00:04] <agoole> looking at settings now
[00:04] <notriddle> sudogr: Yep.
[00:04] <notriddle> PheonixFFX: It'll look like a plug.
[00:05] <PhoenixFFX> It's just written WLAN Interface
[00:06] <agoole> oh I had a questino
[00:06] <notriddle> agoole: System Settings->Keyboard and Mouse->Global Keyboard Shortcuts and set the KDE component to Run Command Interface
[00:06] <agoole> how come I coulnd't pick swap space ?
[00:06] <sudogr> notriddle: Thank you, I allready did this ,so I must have already turn to stable edition.
[00:07] <notriddle> PhoenixFFX: WLAN Interface is it.
[00:07] <sudogr> bye..
[00:07] <jenda> hello,I've upgraded for new distribution and I've lost knetworkmanager and now is impossible to connect by wifi. if I go to application I can't find it, but adept is saying that it's installed
[00:08] <PhoenixFFX> I know that when I had OpenSuSE, I just typed install_bcm43xx_firmware and it worked
[00:08] <agoole> notriddle: got it! thanks, i would of looked for ages
[00:08] <notriddle> PhoenixFFX: Please include my nickname (notriddle) in whatever you say to me. My IRC client hilights them, so I can tell what is for me and what isn't.
[00:09] <notriddle> PhoenixFFX: Under Menu->Applications->System->Hardware Drivers, you can install the Broadcom stuff.
[00:09] <malik_> I have kubuntu 9.04 with EXT4 it stops responding very often
[00:09] <malik_> anyone know hy
[00:09] <jenda> hello,I've upgraded for new distribution 9.0.4 and I've lost knetworkmanager and now is impossible to connect by wifi. if I go to applications I can't find it out, but adept is saying that it's installed. Can someone support me? PM pls.
[00:10] <xjjk> jenda: did adding the plasma applet not help?
[00:10] <xjjk> jenda: it's best things are discussed in the channel
[00:10] <notriddle> malik_: Does it do the same from the live disk? It may be Jaunty and not EXT4.
[00:10] <PhoenixFFX> notriddle: When I go to Hardware Drivers, it says No proprietary drivers are in use on this system.
[00:11] <malik_> nolive Cd works perfecly
[00:11] <wolter> hi
[00:12] <notriddle> PhoenixFFX: Below that, it will list some stuff. What is listed there?
[00:12] <wolter> i what benefits do i get from using kubuntu that i don't get by just installing kde in ubuntu?
[00:12] <wolter> hi*
[00:12] <PhoenixFFX> notriddle: Nothing, its blank O:
[00:12] <malik_> inmy brothers old NEC lap kubuntu 0.04 works perefeclty with EXT3
[00:12] <xjjk> wolter: none, really; they're the same
[00:12] <wolter> same apps?
[00:12] <wolter> nice then
[00:12] <wolter> thanks
[00:12] <xjjk> wolter: if you install kubuntu-desktop, yes
[00:13] <xjjk> wolter: obviously, you use a lot more disk space
[00:13] <xjjk> from having both GNOME and KDE installed
[00:13] <wolter> xjjk, ah, lets not worry about that
[00:13] <wolter> xjjk, if I one day get to prefer kde over gnome 100 times, I will remove gnome
[00:13] <notriddle> PhoenixFFX: Not sure about it then, don't use a Broadcom.
[00:13]  * notriddle wonders if anyone else knows.
[00:13] <xjjk> wolter: it's taken my 8 yrs, but I'm at that point
[00:14] <linux-hdtv> Thanks for Kubuntu, the graphics are stunning :-)
[00:14] <wolter> xjjk, well, kde, from my point of view, used to be horrible
[00:14] <wolter> :)
[00:14] <malik_> yes kubuntu is amazing
[00:14] <linux-hdtv> How can i see the connected drives ?
[00:14] <wolter> not anymore
[00:14] <xjjk> wolter: agreed, more or less
[00:15] <xjjk> the KDE defaults "IMHO" were terrible for the longest time... and Keramik, ugh
[00:16] <PhoenixFFX> notriddle: I have a Compaq Presario R4000 if it can be helpful
[00:17] <Dragnslcr> I wouldn't worry about disk space from having Gnome installed. I doubt it's more than 1 GB
[00:17] <PhoenixFFX> notriddle: And when I put su install_bcm43xx_firmware, it says Unknown Id.
[00:18] <joshjtl> anyone know if ies4linux can install ie7 as well as ie6?
[00:18] <andyroid> my god the newer intel drivers really suck
[00:19] <xjjk> andyroid: for video? yeah...
[00:20] <andyroid> xjjk:  well for pretty much anything i've tried so far
[00:20] <adasz_> how can i install my printer?
[00:20] <xjjk> andyroid: IMHO the Intel wireless drivers in Jaunty are *superb*
[00:20] <xjjk> I can't say I've ever had problems with Intel audio either
[00:23] <andyroid> xjik: oh yeah, i meant the graphics drivers but if video==graphics, then yeah
[00:24] <xjjk> andyroid: there have been a *lot* of regressiosn
[00:24] <xjjk> and odd problems
[00:25] <xjjk> andyroid: just be glad you're not being bitten by the X freeze problem
[00:25] <menaz> hi
[00:25] <menaz> what is the difference bewteen the iso desktop and alternate?
[00:26] <Simon99> Can anyone help me upgrade my Kubuntu 8.10 to 9.04 by using the mounted "desktop" ISO?
[00:26] <andyroid> xjjk: my regular desktop is using an nvidia card so no problems there but my eeepc is barely usable with the new intel drivers
[00:27]  * notriddle is sorry for leaving PhoenixFFX waiting.
[00:27] <kanonmat_> menaz:  alternate is a text installer, no gui
[00:27] <notriddle> PhoenixFFX: Okay. Try "sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter".
[00:28]  * notriddle thinks that Hardware Drivers should've worked.
[00:28] <menaz> andyroid: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/349314/comments/49 --- check there, maybe it could help you with your eeepc
[00:28] <menaz> thanks kanonmat!
[00:29] <kanonmat_> joshjtl: my ies4linux came with both ie6 and ie7 iirc
[00:29] <andyroid> menaz: thanks mate
[00:29] <PhoenixFFX> notriddle: Couln'd find package b43-fwcutter
[00:29] <menaz> andyroid: no prob man! glad to help
[00:30] <joshjtl> kanonmat_: bizzarre, i had to install ie7 seperately but when it wont connect to any pages... though ie6 does
[00:31] <notriddle> PhoenixFFX: Okay. "sudo software-properties-kde".
[00:31] <kanonmat_> lets see...
[00:31] <menaz> What is the difference to install a DVD iso version? it got more software or is the Enterprise edition?
[00:32] <notriddle> PhoenixFFX: From there, check "Proprietary drivers for devices (restricted)".
[00:32] <kanonmat_> my ie7 wont start now, i don't remember when i used it last time if i ever did
[00:33] <PhoenixFFX> notriddle: It's allready checked
[00:33] <notriddle> ProenixFFX: Pffft...
[00:34] <PhoenixFFX> notriddle: D:
[00:34] <notriddle> PhoenixFFX: Of course, why didn't I think of it before. I was recommending you download drivers from the internet.
[00:34] <notriddle> PhoenixFFX: Make sure you are plugged in wired.
[00:34] <PhoenixFFX> notriddle: From where ? Which site ?
[00:34] <menaz> what it has different the DVD version for install ubuntu?
[00:35] <PhoenixFFX> notriddle Okay, I'm plug XD
[00:35] <notriddle> PhoenixFFX: Ubuntu has official packages for the b43 firmware. Just need to download and install it.
[00:35] <notriddle> PhoenixFFX: And now that you are plugged in, "sudo apt-get update".
[00:35] <Dragnslcr> menaz- I think the DVD just has more packages
[00:36] <adasz_> Where are the driver saved in linux?
[00:36] <Dragnslcr> menaz- If you use the CD, you can install everything that's on the DVD, it'll just have to fetch the packages over the Internet instead of using the disc
[00:37] <menaz> clear! maybe these uys hsoulod put more info about that! I{m ery noew on this and I wil appreciate to have that info :D (if it{s there please sorry :D)
[00:37] <adasz_> can somebody help me plz?
[00:37] <notriddle> PhoenixFFX: After you "sudo apt-get update", rerun the "sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter".
[00:38] <joshjtl> why is it better to install IE using ies4linux than just downloading IE and installing with wine?
[00:38] <PhoenixFFX> notriddle: I'm doing the updates, and I'll retry it again
[00:38] <Daskreech> adasz_: In modules
[00:38] <notriddle> joshjtl: It includes some of the tweaks necessary for getting IE to work, such as changing the registry and replacing Wine-provided DLLs with Windows ones.
[00:39] <Daskreech> menaz: It just gives you a choice as to how to install
[00:39] <PhoenixFFX> notriddle: b43-fwcutter is now downloading
[00:39] <notriddle> PhoenixFFX: And after it finishes, I believe you should be ready to use your wireless.
[00:39] <Daskreech> !printer | adasz_
[00:40] <joshjtl> notriddle: is that to say that installing ie via wine ie wont work?
[00:40] <PhoenixFFX> notriddle: Hmm.. It seems to be stuck at 0%
[00:40] <notriddle> joshjtl: It won't work without doing some of the aformentioned tweaks. There is a guide in the Wine AppDB for making it work on your own.
[00:40] <linux-hdtv> In Dolphin, there is a copy operation underway, but the monitoring window disappeared ...
[00:41] <Daskreech> menaz: The CD has either a Desktop or a server install. The DVD has both
[00:41] <notriddle> linux-hdtv: That's normal. Click the (i) in the system tray to reopen it.
[00:41] <Daskreech> !de | adasz_
[00:43] <notriddle> PhoenixFFX: Is it still stuck at 0%?
[00:43] <PhoenixFFX> notriddle: I'll restart it
[00:43] <notriddle> PhoenixFFX: Perhaps the mirrors are all clogged up. I've had that happen before.
[00:44]  * notriddle hopes PhoenixFFX was talking about the download, not the install.
[00:46] <kadoban> i am using a couple of external (non-ubuntu) repositories and i'm planning an upgrade to 9.04.  should i remove those first, or is it possible that the upgrade will gracefully handle them somehow? (it's only for a couple of packages)
[00:46] <notriddle> kadoban: It will remove them for you when you download. You can replace them with their respective jaunty ones after it's done.
[00:47] <kadoban> okay, that works, thanks
[00:48] <linux-hdtv> thank you, notriddle. the copy operation stalled because the new partition i made during installation had insufficient permissions ...
[00:48] <avihayb> umm, what's kadoban if I may ask?
[00:48] <notriddle> !kodoban | avihayb
[00:48] <notriddle> !kadoban | avihayb
[00:48] <avihayb> it's someones nickname...
[00:49]  * notriddle isn't surprised ubottu doesn't know...
[00:49] <kadoban> hehe
[00:49] <avihayb> well, I'll look it up in a dictionary or somth
[00:49] <notriddle> avihayb: Or you can google it :).
[00:50] <White_Pelican> congrats to the ubuntu/kubuntu team for releasing jaunty on time
[00:50] <kadoban> it's a term from sumo and a game i play.  it means something like a "must win" game...like the match that someone must win or they'll go down a rank
[00:50] <Daskreech> adasz_: What happens with your printer?
[00:51] <avihayb> oh. thanks. the google search is all japanease to me, maybe I should have tryed romaji first...
[00:53] <White_Pelican> is there a plan to make the jaunty remix available?
[00:53] <xjjk> White_Pelican: it'll probably be a few days
[00:53] <White_Pelican> some of us would like to upgrade but stick to 3.5.10
[00:54] <White_Pelican> ty so much xjjk
[00:54] <White_Pelican> woohoo
[00:54] <vistakiller> a thanks for this nice release!! :)
[00:54] <White_Pelican> will it be a seperate distro or will it be put in the repository?
[00:54] <xjjk> White_Pelican: I'm not a maintainer for it... I've not tried it either so I don't know the details
[00:55] <xjjk> I actually do wonder how it works
[00:55] <White_Pelican> ok ty
[00:55] <White_Pelican> I installed ubuntu inder vbox
[00:55]  * xjjk downloads the latest version to check
[00:55] <White_Pelican> about to install the kubuntu desktop
[00:55] <quassel208> root@Dexter:/home/wesley/Documenten/info-nederland/lampp# ./lampp
[00:55] <quassel208> XAMPP is currently only availably as 32 bit application. Please use a 32 bit compatibility library for your system.
[00:55] <Daskreech> White_Pelican: It should be out tomorrow
[00:55] <quassel208> root@Dexter:/home/wesley/Documenten/info-nederland/lampp# ./lampp
[00:55] <quassel208> XAMPP is currently only availably as 32 bit application. Please use a 32 bit compatibility library for your system.
[00:55] <quassel208> root@Dexter:/home/wesley/Documenten/info-nederland/lampp# ./lampp
[00:55] <quassel208> XAMPP is currently only availably as 32 bit application. Please use a 32 bit compatibility library for your system.
[00:55] <quassel208> root@Dexter:/home/wesley/Documenten/info-nederland/lampp# ./lampp
[00:55] <quassel208> XAMPP is currently only availably as 32 bit application. Please use a 32 bit compatibility library for your system.
[00:55] <quassel208> root@Dexter:/home/wesley/Documenten/info-nederland/lampp# ./lampp
[00:55] <Daskreech> !paste | quassel208
[00:56] <quassel208> XAMPP is currently only availably as 32 bit application. Please use a 32 bit compatibility library for your system.
[00:56] <quassel208> root@Dexter:/home/wesley/Documenten/info-nederland/lampp# ./lampp
[00:56] <quassel208> XAMPP is currently only availably as 32 bit application. Please use a 32 bit compatibility library for your system.
[00:56] <quassel208> ow sorry\
[00:56] <quassel208> quassel didnt respond
[00:56] <quassel208> I need help, Xampp is only for 32 bit, how can i set it up for 64 bit ?
[00:56] <quassel208> Daskreech I only pasted 2 lines, but quassel didnt react so i kept pasting
[00:56] <faileas> ...
[00:57] <notriddle> quassel208: I had the "non-response" happen to me too. Bug report?...
[00:58] <quassel208> I gues it was still loading, but thats not my problem
[00:58] <notriddle> quassel208: And even two lines, as long as they are, should be pastebinned.
[00:58] <kadoban> uh...this is really dumb, but how do i tell if i have the 32 bit or the 64 bit version of kubuntu installed? (trying to upgrade, not sure which to download).  is it stated somewhere easy to find?
[00:58] <xjjk> kadoban: on the command line, run lsb_release -a
[00:58] <notriddle> kadoban: "uname -m"
[00:58] <xjjk> kadoban: err, sorry, I'm confused
[00:58] <xjjk> use uname as notriddle mentioend
[00:59] <kadoban> got it, thanks
[00:59]  * notriddle thinks either one would work.
[00:59] <Dragnslcr> Nope, lsb_release -a doesn't show 32/64
[01:00] <Dragnslcr> That was my first thought too, though
[01:01]  * notriddle wonders how PhoenixFFX's journey is progressing.
[01:02] <notriddle> PhoenixFFX: How is it going?
[01:03] <linux-hdtv> plasma crashed and the i disappeared, does this mean the copy operation was terminated by the crash ?
[01:04] <notriddle> linux-hdtv: When X crashes, everything you are doing is lost.
[01:04] <agoole> ok, got a serious problem
[01:04] <linux-hdtv> only the menu bar crashed, notriddle, but the i is missing after it came back.
[01:05] <agoole> I just installed 9.04, and now the thing won't boot
[01:05] <reisi> can anyone confirm iozone3 308-1 crashing with buffer overflow (from fortify) on startup? x86-64 on amd phenom II x4
[01:05] <agoole> says I dont have write authority for /home/me/.ICEauthority
[01:05] <notriddle> linux-hdtv: If Plasma crashes, the copy should keep going. Wish it hadn't lost the (i), though.
[01:06] <reisi> iozone3 problem on latest jaunty; could someone please try it out? can then file a bugreport
[01:06] <ActionParsnip> !info iozone3
[01:07] <agoole> anyone has ICE error on bootup ?
[01:07] <Daskreech> agoole: That's not actually not booting
[01:07] <Daskreech> agoole: Login and see who owns it
[01:07] <avihayb> agoole: liveCD -> mount ->chmod ?
[01:07]  * notriddle thinks it's a login thing.
[01:08] <agoole> Daskreech: ok let me check
[01:08] <linux-hdtv> notriddle, i just started another copy, and in the i there is no mention of the former copy operation which should take hours to complete.
[01:09] <Daskreech> linux-hdtv: Ow
[01:09] <quassel208> MySQL daemon  how to I stop that one ?
[01:09] <agoole> ok, now it says 'could not start ksmserver,
[01:10] <agoole> quassel208: sudo /etc/init.d/mysql stop
[01:10] <Trog> is only the ubuntu release out?, when i go to actually download it says "ubuntu mirrior-cd" ??
[01:10] <agoole> Daskreech: do you know why ksmserver isn't booting ?
[01:10] <quassel208> jaunty is unstable If you ask me
[01:10] <Trog> <--wanted kubuntu
[01:11] <Daskreech> agoole: Ah. ... not
[01:11] <Dragnslcr> Trog- if you mean Kubuntu, yes, 9.04 is available
[01:11] <Daskreech> quassel208: ok :)
[01:11] <faileas> quassel208: donno, it works better than intrepid did for me
[01:11] <Daskreech> Dragnslcr: Unless he wants KDE3 on it :)
[01:11] <agoole> Daskreech: could you do me a favor and look it up ? i'm stuck to command line right now...ugh
[01:11] <Trog> hmm ok thx i'll look somemore
[01:11] <Dragnslcr> Daskreech- heh, those people don't count though
[01:12] <faileas> lol
[01:12] <faileas> there's a KDE3 remix/repo
[01:12] <Daskreech> agoole: That is what is preventing it from logging in?
[01:12] <quassel208> I cant go back, because I need the sources in Jaunty, I just hope that bug what causes the freezes will be fixed, because when my pc freezes while building kde, then my builds mapps while be messed up
[01:12] <Daskreech> quassel208: you are building KDE?
[01:12] <notriddle> Trog: Kubuntu Jaunty is out.
[01:12] <quassel208> yes
[01:13] <agoole> Daskreech: yeah, it just stays stuck, then if I click it says could not load ksmserver and restarts X
[01:13] <quassel208> Daskreech everday :)
[01:13] <quassel208> Have made a trunk update, and trunks runs really fine
[01:13] <Daskreech> agoole: try running sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop && startx
[01:13] <Daskreech> quassel208: :-D What freezes ?
[01:13] <quassel208> xorg
[01:14] <Trog> k not thx, i just didnt think it was right saying ubuntu-mirrior/ kubuntu somethin
[01:14] <Daskreech> Really? What driver are you using?
[01:14] <quassel208> intel gma
[01:14] <Daskreech> >_<
[01:14] <quassel208> i have intel 945 on intel atom 330
[01:14] <Daskreech> quassel208: known Intel bug keep up with the updates
[01:14] <agoole> Daskreech: still nothing, that just restarted X with the same error
[01:14] <quassel208> like i know, I gues it uses intel
[01:15] <Daskreech> agoole: Is ksmsmserver installed
[01:15] <quassel208> Daskreech with the freezing a know intel bug ?
[01:15] <Daskreech> quassel208: yes update your x packages and the kernel
[01:16] <quassel208> when there are updates, or you suggest to enable backports ?
[01:16] <agoole> Daskreech: it says that it has been replaced by a new package, and I have that one, up to date
[01:16] <Daskreech> what which package?
[01:16] <quassel208> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/365527
[01:16] <agoole> Daskreech: ksmserver was replaced by kdebase-workspace-data
[01:17] <Daskreech> quassel208: whenever they come :)
[01:17] <quassel208> Ive theres a fix it will get into normall updates
[01:17] <Daskreech> Ye it iwll
[01:17] <Daskreech> yes
[01:17] <quassel208> Lets hope so Daskreech, because I cant blame kde,
[01:17] <Daskreech> No it's all intel
[01:18] <agoole> so i'm stuck
[01:18] <Daskreech> agoole: Wait trying to track it down
[01:18] <agoole> Daskreech: thanks. :)
[01:19] <Daskreech> Do you have a ksmserver command ?
[01:19] <quassel208> I am using uxa here
[01:20] <quassel208> XAMPP: Another web server daemon is already running.
[01:20] <agoole> Daskreech: yes, and if I try to run it, it says it cannot write to that ICEauthority file
[01:20] <Daskreech> who owns that file ?
[01:20] <agoole> Daskreech: and that it cannot connect to kdm
[01:20] <agoole> I dont even think it exists
[01:21] <Daskreech> ls -l /home/me/.ICEauthority
[01:21] <mase_work> hey guys , just a quick question did the -intel performance issues in 9.04 end up being sorted or are they still an issue?
[01:21] <quassel208> how can i stop the apache demon
[01:21] <Daskreech> sudo /etc/init.d/apache stop
[01:21] <Lindows> so, has anyone tried the new kubuntu?
[01:21] <faileas> mase_work: i'm running it with a x3100
[01:22] <Daskreech> mase_work: less of an issue but still an issue
[01:22] <agoole> Daskreech: ok, it does exist,
[01:22] <agoole> Daskreech: owned by root
[01:22] <Daskreech> That's the problem
[01:22] <Daskreech> sudo chown me /home/me/.ICEauthority
[01:22] <quassel208> sudo: /etc/init.d/apache: command not found
[01:23] <mase_work> faileas: Daskreech which chipsets are you using ?
[01:23] <faileas> mase_work: x3100/gma955
[01:23] <Daskreech> AMD chipset and AMD Video chipset
[01:23] <notriddle> Lindows: Using it to type this.
[01:23] <mase_work> faileas: thanks.
[01:23] <faileas> Lindows: on it now ;)
[01:23] <Daskreech> faileas: Erm apache2 ? Might be httpd though I doubt it
[01:24] <Lindows> notriddle: how fast is the boot time?
[01:24] <faileas> If you like intrepid, you'll like this more ;p
[01:24] <faileas> Daskreech: er?
[01:24] <agoole> Daskreech: works!,
[01:24] <notriddle> Lindows: That depends, obviously, on the speed of your machine.
[01:24] <Daskreech> Lindows: pretty fast for me for some people it's as fast as ibex
[01:24] <faileas> Lindows: pretty damn fast
[01:24] <Lindows> nice
[01:24] <notriddle> Lindows: USE EXT4!
[01:24] <agoole> Daskreech: I wonder what caused the break, i just installed like 1hr ago
[01:24] <Daskreech> agoole: Of course
[01:24] <faileas> it blows away ibex in my case
[01:24] <Daskreech> faileas: For me as well
[01:25] <quassel208> Daskreech why didnt work that apache command ?
[01:25]  * notriddle just remembers to never use all caps...
[01:25] <Daskreech> I could get a glass of juice before login in ibex I can't even reach the kitchen now
[01:25] <linux-hdtv> After booting, the external USB drives are not mounted until i plug in a new one.
[01:25] <notriddle> quassel208: You don't have apache.
[01:25] <Daskreech> quassel208: Do you have apache installed ?
[01:25] <quassel208> gues not
[01:25] <agoole> exit
[01:25] <Lindows> notriddle: I can't afford to lose any data, how stable is ext4?
[01:26] <Daskreech> linux-hdtv: They should be in the side panel of dolphin you can just click them and they will mount
[01:26] <linux-hdtv> lindows, as stable as a backup.
[01:26] <notriddle> Lindows: I've not experienced any trouble yet.
[01:26] <quassel208> XAMPP: Another web server daemon is already running.
[01:26] <faileas> Lindows: i chose to wait. there's been reports of data loss
[01:26] <quassel208> about which one is he complacing then ?
[01:26] <linux-hdtv> the don't appear there until i switch one off and on again.
[01:26] <Daskreech> Lindows: Stable but there is an issue with it and systems that write lots ofsmall files
[01:26] <Daskreech>  (Read that as Gnome KDE and Xfce)
[01:26] <faileas> quassel208: just curious, why are you running xampp instead of the default lamp stack?
[01:26] <linux-hdtv> notriddle, they don't appear there until i switch one off and on again.
[01:26] <faileas> lol
[01:27] <faileas> Daskreech: AKA the most common desktop environments
[01:27] <Lindows> I think I'll wait a month and let the dust settle, hopefully have all the kinks out by then
[01:27] <quassel208> faileas because it xampp is lampp ?
[01:27] <notriddle> faileas: Mostly, that's because ext4 has a bigger buffer, so there's a bigger delay before writing. As a result, if your system crashes at the wrong time...
[01:27] <faileas> quassel208: well not really
[01:27] <quassel208> ow
[01:27] <quassel208> what the different?
[01:27] <notriddle> linux-hdtv: Hm...
[01:28]  * notriddle is using EXT4 right now.
[01:29]  * notriddle thinks it's probably not checking for any plugged-in drives when it starts. IOW, a bug.
[01:29] <avihayb> faileas: umm, is there a newer x3100/965GMA driver in the new release and is it any good?
[01:29] <Daskreech> Lindows: Ha ha this is a filesystem Kinks in file systems take a year not a month to work out
[01:29] <Daskreech> Lindows: It's pretty safe though since it's mostly just ext3
[01:29] <faileas> avihayb: i'm not sure. I just installed the RC, needed to update, and it seems to work
[01:30] <avihayb>  I have an intel x3100 or 965GM, and it's outperformed in GLXGears, or anything else for that matter by my 9 years old ATI Radeon 7200
[01:30] <faileas> XD
[01:30] <avihayb> curently runing 8.10
[01:30] <Lindows> daskreech: then it looks like I need to finally start using my external drive and backing up data =)
[01:30] <avihayb> not funny! I'm an andrenalin adict, more or less
[01:30] <Daskreech> Sure
[01:31] <notriddle> linux-hdtv: It's probably not checking for any plugged-in drives when it starts. IOW, a bug.
[01:31] <Daskreech> avihayb: I'm not sure which is sadder
[01:31] <avihayb> there is this one game that just pumps me full of andrenalin, and with this kind of FPSage, and crashes, I had to withraw
[01:32] <linux-hdtv> right, notriddle.
[01:32] <faileas> hmm?
[01:32] <linux-hdtv> doing the copy with grsync now.
[01:32] <faileas> glxgears dosen't wotk ;p
[01:32] <faileas> i get an error "Error: couldn't open display (null)"
[01:33] <avihayb> one of these days, I'm going to install windows or something...
[01:33] <notriddle> linux-hdtv: Can't really recommend anything but running "ubuntu-bug /usr/bin/dolphin" from a command line.
[01:33] <faileas> lol
[01:33] <faileas> avihayb: i dualboot both systems on my desktop
[01:33] <avihayb> faileas: you need to run it from a graphical terminal?
[01:33] <faileas> avihayb: i tried to run it from mibbit
[01:33] <faileas> er
[01:33] <faileas> brainfart
[01:33] <faileas> i mean yakuake
[01:33] <avihayb> It's a laptop, and this tiny 160GB is already full...
[01:34] <Lindows> if your cpu supports it, you can use kvm to run windows
[01:34] <faileas> or virtualbox
[01:35] <faileas> or VMware something or another
[01:35]  * Daskreech looks at his 4GB hard drive and sighs at Tiny 160 GB
[01:35] <avihayb> and my partitioning scheme isn't gonna cut it... :-<   and KVM uses @rapy low end gfx cards, so I can't just use that
[01:36] <avihayb> not to mention, no sound card
[01:36] <Lindows> you get sound over kvm
[01:36] <Lindows> I use it to run windows xp, to use zune and listen to music
[01:37] <Daskreech> Hmm I wonder if they will release a zune driver for LInux
[01:37] <avihayb> well, I didn't poke too much into the kvm config, but, it won't run unless I'm root, and I have to run it manualy, because it won't work with virt manager
[01:39] <Byron> Hello all
[01:40] <Lindows> avihayb: kvm -soundhw all
[01:40] <Daskreech> All is out right now can I take a message?
[01:40] <Lindows> avihayb: I think that's all you need for sound, if you run from the command line
[01:41] <avihayb> ok, let's see if windows will survive the change ...
[01:41] <Byron> LOL @Daskreech
[01:41] <freakorama> Hi all here, got a question, is it possible to backup ext4 ? Any tool ?Partimage is not working anymore ...
[01:42] <ramon> Hi everybody...I have 2 questions...does anybody know how do I download video from Youtube?
[01:43] <ramon> and the other is, how do I creat DVDs, as converting mpeg to .VOB like convertXtoDVD does in windoes
[01:43] <freakorama> @ramon : try video download helper addon, if you use firefox :)
[01:44] <avihayb> ramon, if you are a firefox user, there is an addon called download helper
[01:44] <ramon> yes I use...video download
[01:44] <ramon> ?
[01:44] <faileas> ramon: there's a few extensions for greasemonkey. i use biggervidz, which also has fownloadage as a feature
[01:44] <faileas> (it mainly rearranges the page for better efficiency)
[01:44] <ramon> what's fownloadage ??
[01:45] <faileas> *downloadage
[01:46] <faileas> i made a spelling misteak ;)
[01:46] <avihayb> found new hardware, creative audio pci. Thanks lindows
[01:46] <avihayb> and I missed him
[01:46] <ramon> LOL..ok thanx....
[01:46] <ramon> and the other stuff, dows anybody know?
[01:47] <ramon> if i want to convert many mpegs videos as DVD
[01:51] <ramon> Anybody??
[01:51] <wanda> i am here
[01:51] <Daskreech> deeveedee ?
[01:51] <reisi> ramon: read up on mencoder
[01:51] <Byron> Daskreech: devede
[01:51] <reisi> ramon: there might be some user friendly front-ends to mencoder etc. as well
[01:51] <avihayb> !medibuntu
[01:52] <ramon> reisi, can you explain it for me??
[01:52] <reisi> ramon: google will explain
[01:52] <ramon> i just want a program which does the same as ConvertXtoDVD
[01:53] <avihayb> damn windows, can't even behave under kvm
[01:53] <reisi> great, try googling, then check out what avihayb just mentioned, 'medibuntu'
[01:55] <avihayb> I remember that there was a ubuntu based distro that was geraed twards image audio and video editing
[01:56] <faileas> ubuntu studio
[01:56] <Daskreech> I've never tried kvm how does it work?
[01:56] <Daskreech> !studio
[01:56] <huh> is anyone besides me having trouble getting java installed on 64bit kubuntu jaunty ?
[01:57] <avihayb> well, I remember it used to work as if nothing is, but now, when I run KVM, one CPU is always 100% busy
[01:57] <avihayb> even though, I don't feel any performance impact
[01:58] <huh> no?
[01:58] <Daskreech> huh: Someelse was earlier I never got what the problem was for them. What issue are you having?
[01:58] <avihayb> wow, the sound actualy works
[01:58] <avihayb> guess what I had to do?
[01:59] <huh> i install everything that i can find, jre, jdk, java-common, java-wrappers,  when i try to load a page with java content i get executable not found
[01:59] <reisi> avihayb: what windows are you trying to use?
[01:59] <avihayb> xp
[01:59] <reisi> huh: applets or javafx?
[01:59] <huh> applet
[02:00] <reisi> avihayb: haven't had that kind of behaviour at least under virtualbox, no experiences on kvm though
[02:00] <huh> http://nist.time.gov/timezone.cgi?Central/d/-6/java
[02:00] <avihayb> sudo apt-get install sun-java-bin didn't work?
[02:00] <huh> no, but i will try it again
[02:00] <reisi> huh: have you installed sun-java-plugin?
[02:00] <avihayb> err java->java6
[02:01] <reisi> same err for me :)
[02:01] <Daskreech> huh: installed sun-java6-jre ?
[02:01] <avihayb> well, windows just needed a reset for sound to work
[02:02] <reisi> huh: you should actually make sure you have actually zero other jre's installed when you don't know what you are doing (update-alternatives).. different java implementations do not play well together
[02:02] <Daskreech> true
[02:02] <huh> sun-java6-jre installed but did not fix the problem
[02:03] <reisi> avihayb: i'm currently experimenting with copying my vista system from laptop -> virtualbox (on my new desktop) ... dd if=/dev/sda | gzip -c | nc   ---> etc :)
[02:03] <avihayb> I think you need -bin and -plugin
[02:03] <reisi> -jre and -plugin will be fine
[02:03] <reisi> huh: just make sure you uninstall all other java implementations (no guarantees even on openjdk vs. sun-java compability)
[02:03] <avihayb> are ya sure that virtual box excepts gzip?
[02:04] <reisi> avihayb: i'm nc:ing it into a virtual box started from grml-small :)
[02:05] <huh> installed sun-java6-plugin     now firefox won't start  : )
[02:05] <avihayb> I beg your pardon?
[02:05] <reisi> avihayb: ie. i'm using grml to deploy a copy of my previous vista _into_ the vm
[02:05] <reisi> huh: start firefox from console window
[02:05] <avihayb> I'm not familiar with virtual box, except for the fact that it's the new star in the world of linux virtualization
[02:06] <reisi> avihayb: it's quite nice, desktopish, very simple even for windows collegues to use
[02:06] <huh> i started firefox from kconsole and java is working   : )
[02:06] <olskolirc> I can't get my number pad to work in pico/nano why is this?
[02:07] <reisi> huh: must had been something temporary then.. firefox can get jammed up and looking all closed; restarting might hang as well.. but usually those are transient
[02:07] <huh> now it start from k menu and java works   )
[02:07] <huh> : )
[02:07] <huh> ty  : )
[02:07] <reisi> huh: great!
[02:07] <avihayb> well, I tryed to install it, it didn't work, or I had to add myself to it's group, or I had a wird error and google didn't help...:-<
[02:07] <reisi> avihayb: you logged in after adding yourself to it's group? :)
[02:08] <huh> apt-get install sun-java6-plugin   is the thing that did the final tweak
[02:08] <avihayb> I think I did. it was a long time ago
[02:08] <reisi> huh: that and only that package would had been enough, it has all the required dependencies
[02:08] <Daskreech> huh: Right.. .duh
[02:08] <Daskreech> >_<
[02:09] <reisi> huh: if you run into strange possibly java related problems in the future make sure you've only got sun-java6 packages installed (not icedtea etc.)
[02:10] <quassel208> whats the username fow mysql on ubuntu ?
[02:13] <embraceunity_> im bored... no bugs... when's koala coming
[02:13] <reisi> argh.. just great.. audio device going crazy again, locks up both spotify and firefox
[02:13] <quassel208> oh theres nop password
[02:13] <racecar56> how do i get kdenlive to render my video in h.264? it wont let me
[02:13] <quassel208> username is root lol
[02:14] <Daskreech> embraceunity_: a month
[02:14] <embraceunity_> darn
[02:14] <reisi> quassel208: system accounts usually have an "x" as their passwords, ie. non-loggable
[02:14] <ubuser> Totally impressive. Am very impressed with ubuntu and kde 4.2. The upgrade went very well 5 of my linux boxes so far.
[02:16] <avihayb> Daskreech: My older brother told me his tales of buing the first 8086 PC. the dealer wouldn't sell them the 80MB HDD. he said: It's too big, you will never be able to fill that up, here, buy this 40MB HDD.... so they went and ordered it directly
[02:16] <Daskreech> avihayb: I don't think there was a 80MB hdd for a 8086
[02:16] <avihayb> and yes, it got realy full, realy fast...
[02:17] <blood> hello
[02:17] <jvcruz> Anyone here knows about Kmail, is it fixed already?
[02:17] <avihayb> maybe it was a 40MB vs a 20MB. but I realy belive that it was an 80MB. I think they had to split it to two because of some fat16 limitations
[02:17] <linux-hdtv> KPackageKit is trying since 5 minutes to get Perl bindings for GNU Libidn, no cancel option.
[02:18] <ubuser> I was involved back in the early 80s when hdds were about 5 mega and cost a fortune.
[02:19] <reisi> 40MB sounds very funny as my desktop can currently sustain writes at ~200MB/s, while running a 1-3 operating systems
[02:19] <jmichaelx> last night i installed the new ati 9.4 driver using the automatic installer from the ati site, but have finally decided to ditch my ati card, and install an nvidia card. could anyone tell me how to remove the ati driver that i installed with the automatic installer?
[02:19] <linux-hdtv> good decision, jmichaelx
[02:20] <jmichaelx> linux-hdtv: tell me about it. this has just become horrid.
[02:20] <huh> you don't have to completely remove it
[02:20] <reisi> jmichaelx: do you have some kind of multiscreen issue with proprietary ati drivers...?
[02:20] <jmichaelx> huh: i figured that was case, but i would rather be rid of it
[02:21] <avihayb> bahh, now I don't have enough room on my virtual machine. I guess I have to remove KDE for windows from it...
[02:21] <jmichaelx> reisi: no, everything is working with the proprietary driver, with the exception of ALL videos. no videos play correctly now.
[02:21] <reisi> jmichaelx: very strange.. do you have multiple screens?
[02:21] <jvcruz> whoa
[02:22] <jvcruz> I guess Intel video is the best for Linux
[02:22] <jmichaelx> reisi: no, just a single screen, but i have heard many others complaining about the same issues.
[02:22] <huh> where do you get the intel driver ?
[02:22] <jvcruz> But NVIDIA's is a performance beast...
[02:22] <jvcruz> Ubuntu have good opensource drivers...
[02:22] <jvcruz> Defaults should be nice.
[02:23] <jmichaelx> jvcruz: OSS drivers for some older ATI cards are actually quite decent, but not for newer ATI cards
[02:23] <jvcruz> Yes. I know...
[02:23] <wirechief> !ati
[02:24] <reisi> jmichaelx: i agree on that.. though i never managed to get proprietary to work with two screens.. later found a way with the plain "radeon", no accel though on anything i guess except xv
[02:24] <wirechief> !fglrx
[02:24] <jvcruz> But OSS Intel drivers are mainstream drivers.
[02:24]  * rt_is_afk is away: Gone away for now
[02:25] <jvcruz> NVIDIA and ATI need propietary drivers, but Intel dont
[02:25] <linux-hdtv> how can i install kaudiocreator ?
[02:25] <jvcruz> but nvidia and ati have faster GPU's. In comparision to intel ones
[02:25] <Daskreech> Its not a video card manaufacturer
[02:26] <Daskreech> not a very good one anyway
[02:26] <jvcruz> course not, is the way they help OpenSource
[02:28] <racecar56> how do i get kdenlive to render my video in h.264? it wont let me
[02:28] <racecar56> i installed libfaac
[02:28] <telaviv> Jaunty did not work for me. It said something about kconfig 4 or something not working
[02:29] <telaviv> it immediately sent me to a terminal
[02:29] <reisi> how does one set cpu affinity in linux? kernel seems to be bouncing my virtual box instance across all cores
[02:30] <racecar56> yeah, im using 9.04
[02:30] <wirechief> jmichaelx: check this out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver
[02:30] <huh> does the open source intel graphics driver support 3d ?
[02:30] <ofv> hello all.
[02:30] <ofv> after upgrading to 9.04 the process kded4 is using 100% cpu.
[02:31] <wirechief> huh right now they have blacklisted the intel for compiz
[02:31] <EagleScreen> huh yes, but there are problems in 9.04
[02:31] <jeiworth> reisi: just found this: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6799
[02:32] <mkasson> can't get my dual screens to use DPMS with kubuntu.works in win tho.  anyone have suggestions
[02:32]  * racecar56 waits
[02:32] <linux-hdtv> kde4 seems still quite buggy, ofv
[02:32] <jmichaelx> last night i installed the new ati 9.4 driver using the automatic installer from the ati site, but have finally decided to ditch my ati card, and install an nvidia card. could anyone tell me how to remove the ati driver that i installed with the automatic installer?
[02:33] <wirechief> jmichaelx:  see this for help https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver
[02:33] <mkasson> oh and when I click on Display in System Settings, Sys Settings crashes
[02:33] <ofv> linux-hdtv: right now i'm trying to learn what it does. is it advisable to kill it?
[02:35] <jeiworth> jmichaelx: when i did that the last time (8.04) i didnt do anything, just switched cards, the system booted and suggested the nvidia proprietary driver for installation
[02:35] <EagleScreen> mkasson: crash after configuring dual monitor?
[02:35] <mkasson> nah.  duals ok
[02:36] <mkasson> err, dual is ok
[02:37] <mkasson> EagleScreen, you having troubles?
[02:37] <EagleScreen> with dual monitor, yes i have
[02:37] <wirechief> jeiworth good tip the link i gave will give additional information too
[02:38] <reisi> jeiworth: thanks.. there's actually a bad command called taskset to help with this..
[02:38] <reisi> jeiworth: important thing seems to be to remember to set the main process and it's threads to a cpu, if possible
[02:38] <mkasson> EagleScreen, there was a great howto section in the forums.  looking for it
[02:39] <reisi> io didn't degrade but csw:s dropped from 50k -> 30k :)
[02:39] <jeiworth> wirechief: yw :)
[02:39] <jeiworth> reese: hmmmm taskset, i will look into that, thanks
[02:39] <jeiworth> reisi: hmmmm taskset, i will look into that, thanks
[02:39] <jmichaelx> wirechief: i do not think that those docs explain how to remove the proprietary driver, when downloaded from the amd site, and installed using their auto-installer
[02:39] <ofv> well, found a "fix" on a forum: kill kded4, logout, login, and problem solved.
[02:39]  * red_team316 is back.
[02:40]  * wirechief gonna toss ATI card , i have a nvidia 6100 but will upgrade that someday.
[02:40] <jmichaelx> wirechief: same here
[02:40]  * racecar56 still waits
[02:40] <mkasson> EagleScreen, this is the best howto I have found: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Using_multiple_monitors_with_XFree86
[02:41] <racecar56> how do i get kdenlive to render my video in h.264? it wont let me, its disabled
[02:41] <ofv> another strange thing is that ktorrent started automatically on the first login after the update. It was not working on the previous logout.
[02:41] <olskolirc> In the terminal, how do I stop and restart my Internet connection in konsole please?
[02:41] <reisi> racecar56: check if you are missing some package.. perhaps it suggests but you haven't installed it
[02:41] <mkasson> EagleScreen, I think I used Xinerama.  I think I recall someone saying kde needed that.  could be wrong there
[02:42] <avihayb> olskolirc: ifconfig interface_name: down/up
[02:42] <racecar56> reisi, no suggestings
[02:42] <reisi> Xinerama .. hasn't it been replaced by XRandR?
[02:42] <reisi> that's atleast what system settings uses (when it crashes)
[02:42] <olskolirc> that doesn't work for me avihayb
[02:42] <wirechief> jmichaelx: well there seems to be a lot of information on that howto, not sure any of it works with the latest jaunty but some of it does.
[02:42] <olskolirc> tells me eth0 is not configured avihayb
[02:43] <mkasson> reisi, no idea.
[02:43] <olskolirc> im straight wired from my modem to my pc avihayb
[02:43] <mkasson> I did some xorg.conf mojo and viola
[02:43] <avihayb> but you can still use eth0?
[02:43] <wirechief> jmichaelx: i would be tempted to just power it down and remove the ati and install the nvidia and reboot
[02:43] <olskolirc> yes avihayb
[02:43] <racecar56> reisi, it dosent suggest or reccomend anything
[02:43] <davecmenta> hi
[02:43] <reisi> racecar56: i heard you.. did you try googling?
[02:43] <racecar56> hi
[02:44] <avihayb> umm, anyone else has an idea?
[02:44] <davecmenta> where are you from?
[02:44] <reisi> davecmenta: from all over the world
[02:44] <reisi> avihayb: on what?
[02:44] <davecmenta> what is your problem?
[02:45] <wirechief> jmichaelx: if it brings you to a terminal you can try backing up your xorg.conf and then do sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:45] <avihayb>  <olskolirc> In the terminal, how do I stop and restart my Internet connection in konsole please?
[02:45] <avihayb> ifconfig interface_name: down/up
[02:45] <avihayb> that doesn't work for me
[02:45] <olskolirc> ipconfig eth0 down
[02:45] <avihayb> that doesn't work for me
[02:45] <olskolirc> ipconfig eth0 up
[02:45] <davecmenta> bacause I got a problem with the flash player
[02:45] <reisi> avihayb: perhaps /etc/init.d/networking restart
[02:45] <avihayb> im straight wired from my modem to my pc
[02:45] <olskolirc> and it doesn't work
[02:45] <avihayb> but you can still use eth0?
[02:45] <reisi> avihayb: depends on how the eth is configured
[02:45] <avihayb> yes
[02:45] <davecmenta> it doesnt run with kubuntu
[02:46] <olskolirc> i guess im using eth0 avihayb i don't know
[02:46] <olskolirc> it says its not configured
[02:46] <mkasson> so no thoughts on DPMS?  my friend has run out of advice
[02:46] <EagleScreen> davecmenta: install flashplugin-nonfree
[02:47] <davecmenta> I ty it from konsole it didnt work
[02:47] <KiRiLoS> Noob Question:Where can I set which apps launch when the system is starting up?Thanks
[02:47] <olskolirc> thanks reisi
[02:47] <davecmenta> I try sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[02:48] <EagleScreen> davecmenta: do u use konqueror or firefox?
[02:48] <reisi> olskolirc: on the /etc/init.d/networking restart thingie? np
[02:48] <davecmenta> I use firefox
[02:49] <olskolirc> oh i didn't try it yet reisi i can't let go just yet
[02:49] <EagleScreen> restart firefox
[02:49] <racecar56> reisi, problem soled
[02:49] <olskolirc> but that sounds good reisi
[02:49] <racecar56> reisi, *solved
[02:49] <davecmenta> I will
[02:49] <EagleScreen> and what is your extact problem at playing?
[02:50] <linux-hdtv> how can i play an sudiocd ?
[02:50] <linux-hdtv> when i insert it, i can rip it with k3b or open it with dolphin, which displays audiocd: and an empty list.
[02:51] <EagleScreen> linux-hdtv: use amarok or kscd
[02:51] <EagleScreen> or kaffeine
[02:51] <davecmenta> my problem is that i cant run youtube videos or redtube jaja or similar videos based on flash
[02:51] <EagleScreen> davecmenta: what happens when you try it?
[02:51] <raylu> how do i resize things on my panel? my clock is a bit too large...
[02:52] <avihayb> vlc can run som flv's
[02:52] <linux-hdtv> in Amarok, play media, where do i find the cd ?
[02:52] <davecmenta> just say: that i need a newer version of the flash player
[02:52] <davecmenta> i try many things
[02:52] <reisi> davecmenta: what kubuntu have you installed?
[02:53] <davecmenta> I dont know
[02:53] <EagleScreen> linux-hdtv: install kscd and use it
[02:53] <reisi> davecmenta: if you could find it out, it'd help a lot
[02:53] <davecmenta> Ijust download it and burn into a disk and install
[02:53] <EagleScreen> yes davecmenta and what arch? 32 or 64 bits?
[02:54] <reisi> davecmenta: sounds like you've installed some ancient version.. i've got flash working good right here on 8.10 (x86) and 9.04 (x86-64)
[02:54] <davecmenta> how can i see the version
[02:54] <EagleScreen> what version and architecture? is it i386 or amd64?
[02:54] <davecmenta> from konsole?
[02:54] <EagleScreen> yes from konsole
[02:54] <davecmenta> no amd no
[02:54] <davecmenta> my processor is celeron
[02:55] <raylu> davecmenta: lsb_release -a
[02:55] <EagleScreen> amd64 is also for Intel processors
[02:55] <davecmenta> let me try it
[02:55] <EagleScreen> did you downloaded i386 CD or amd64 CD?
[02:55] <wimpies> any netbook users here ?
[02:55] <faileas> eww, celeron
[02:55] <raylu> wimpies: to your question in #ubuntu, no, sorry
[02:55] <reisi> !ask
[02:56] <wimpies> reisi : referring to me ?
[02:56] <KiRiLoS> Noob Question:Where can I set which apps launch when the system is starting up?Thanks
[02:56] <reisi> wimpies: yes
[02:57] <EagleScreen> davecmenta: cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:57] <reisi> EagleScreen: lsb_release -a might be easier :)
[02:57] <wimpies> reisi : sorry ... i was looking for the proper place to asks questions about installing ubuntu-netbook remix on an external SD card.
[02:58] <wimpies> whether it can be done and how that is
[02:58] <raylu> !startup | KiRiLoS
[02:58] <raylu> on that note, how does one get rid of the kubuntu login sound?
[02:59] <reisi> wimpies: no worries.. just that you'll save some time not needing to wait twice to be noticed :)
[02:59] <davecmenta> how can I see my version of kubuntu from konsole
[02:59] <reisi> raylu: check out the System Settings > Notifications
[02:59] <raylu> davecmenta: again, lsb_release -a
[03:00] <raylu> reisi: i don't see anything relevant
[03:00] <linux-hdtv> eaglescreen, kscd does not play it either.
[03:00] <linux-hdtv> my, this is buggy ...
[03:00] <reisi> raylu: select tab "player settings"
[03:00] <davecmenta> I try Isb_release-a
[03:00] <davecmenta> but it says: order not found
[03:00] <raylu> reisi: use the kde sound system, use an external player, no audio output
[03:01] <raylu> davecmenta: that's an "L", lower-case. and there's a space before the "-a"
[03:01] <raylu> reisi: i should note that my snd_hda_intel failed
[03:01] <reisi> raylu: there's "No sound" if you want to shut everything down; or only the login sound from "Applications" tab, "KDE System Notifications", there's login sound
[03:02] <davecmenta>  fine you are a god
[03:02] <davecmenta> it works know
[03:02] <davecmenta> and says
[03:02] <davecmenta> distributor:Ubuntu
[03:03] <davecmenta> description:Ubuntu 8.04.1
[03:03] <davecmenta> release 8.04
[03:03] <reisi> davecmenta: if you've just done a fresh installation you might as well a) upgrade it to latest 9.04 b) do another fresh install, now with 9.04
[03:04] <davecmenta> it means I needd to install again
[03:04] <davecmenta> ?
[03:04] <davecmenta> or how can I UPGRADE
[03:04] <EagleScreen> davecmenta: wait a moment
[03:04] <davecmenta> OK
[03:05] <reisi> davecmenta: you can find that information at ubuntu home page
[03:05] <davecmenta> sounds good
[03:05] <raylu> reisi: nope, that wasn't the issue. but...
[03:05] <raylu> reisi: i'm in kde4, btw
[03:05] <reisi> raylu: same here
[03:06] <davecmenta> I would like to be a hacker or at least sistems enginner
[03:07] <EagleScreen> I think hardy has not flashplugin yet
[03:07] <davecmenta> yes
[03:07] <reisi> raylu: then i probably misunderstood what you were after; though you wanted to turn login sound off
[03:08] <reisi> EagleScreen: might be easier to guide davecmenta to just upgrade or reinstall to 9.04 than to solve the problem other way..
[03:08] <EagleScreen> 9.04 gives a lot of problems
[03:08] <davecmenta> i understand
[03:08] <reisi> EagleScreen: hmm ok
[03:09] <reisi> davecmenta: you can always go to adobe's site and download their adobe-flashplugin for ubuntu 8.04
[03:09] <EagleScreen> davecmenta: can you use synaptic?
[03:09] <davecmenta> synaptic?
[03:09] <davecmenta> no im sorry
[03:09] <acalbaza> i want to give kubuntu a try and have xubuntu installed already, do i really need to plop kubuntu on a new partition or can i upgrage xubuntu to kubuntu?
[03:10] <EagleScreen> Sistem -> Administration -> Synaptic package manager
[03:10] <EagleScreen> oh this is kubuntu!
[03:10] <reisi> acalbaza: you can just install kubuntu-desktop or some package like that
[03:10] <acalbaza> or just install kde packages?
[03:10] <davecmenta> yes
[03:10] <davecmenta> I will try with synaptic i got you
[03:10] <EagleScreen> davecmenta: can you use pastebin?
[03:10] <davecmenta> no
[03:10] <reisi> EagleScreen: i was beginning to think they had renamed adept or whatever :D
[03:11] <davecmenta> no , my version of kubuntu is in spanish
[03:11] <mkasson> wooohoo: a little xset magic and DPMS works
[03:11] <davecmenta> and the names changes
[03:11] <EagleScreen> davecmenta: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ it is to paste text and let us to see it
[03:12] <EagleScreen> dave what happens if you try to run 'sudo aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree' ?
[03:13] <davecmenta> it runs like and instalation on konsole
[03:13] <davecmenta> but when i try to see the youtube, dont works
[03:14] <linux-hdtv> Where can i disable services in GUI ?
[03:14] <EagleScreen> davecmenta: open Adepr manager
[03:14] <EagleScreen> Adept
[03:14] <davecmenta> yes
[03:15] <davecmenta> im opening
[03:15] <EagleScreen> okay, now clicl on edit Software Sources
[03:16] <davecmenta> ok it is loading
[03:17] <EagleScreen> it is slow
[03:18] <davecmenta> yes
[03:18] <davecmenta> now the adept is open
[03:19] <EagleScreen> Adept -> Edit Software Sources or Edit Repositories
[03:19] <davecmenta> ok
[03:20] <davecmenta> software sources is open
[03:20] <linux-hdtv> How can i disable ssh in CLI ?
[03:20] <EagleScreen> mark main, restricted, universe and multiverse
[03:21] <davecmenta> marked
[03:21] <EagleScreen> and go to Third Part Software
[03:21] <davecmenta> ok
[03:22] <EagleScreen> now click on Add repository
[03:22] <davecmenta> ok
[03:22] <EagleScreen> and add this one: deb http://oktan.ls.fi.upm.es/debian-multimedia/ testing main
[03:22] <EagleScreen> deb http://oktan.ls.fi.upm.es/debian-multimedia/ testing main
[03:22] <EagleScreen> copy that line
[03:25] <davecmenta> ok
[03:25] <EagleScreen> this is the way to add a new repository
[03:25] <davecmenta> ok
[03:25] <davecmenta> understand
[03:26] <EagleScreen> when added, reload package list
[03:26] <EagleScreen> and look for a package called 'flashplayer-mozilla'
[03:27] <davecmenta> ok
[03:27] <EagleScreen> can you find it?
[03:27] <davecmenta> let me see
[03:28] <davecmenta> IM here
[03:29] <EagleScreen> install now flashplayer-mozilla
[03:29] <EagleScreen> it should appear
[03:29] <AlephZarro> Hey everbody. Apologies in advance for what is probably a common question.  If I've installed a VERY recent Kubuntu 9.04 RC or beta version, is there a way to easily upgrade to the official release of 9.04 without a complete re-install?
[03:30] <EagleScreen> yes AlephZarro: run in a terminal: 'sudo aptitude update; sudo aptitude full-upgrade' and ready
[03:31] <AlephZarro> EagleScreen, you rock.  Thanks!
[03:31]  * KiRiLoS is away: I'm busy
[03:32] <EagleScreen> davecmenta: what happens with you?
[03:33] <davecmenta> im here but when i try to open the adept now it says it cant be oppened because an error
[03:33] <EagleScreen> dont use Adept
[03:33] <BluesKaj> hi NickPresta, ltns!
[03:34] <NickPresta> BluesKaj: hey! Long time indeed! I've been busy with school. But I am done (for the year) thankfully.
[03:34] <EagleScreen> use aptitude, run: 'sudo aptitude update; sudo aptitude install flashplayer-mozilla'
[03:35] <johan__> I have installes java but in firefox it is not working in kde desktop 9.04 :|
[03:35] <BluesKaj> NickPresta, what's your course of study ?
[03:35] <katie> hey, i'm having serious browser problems and i think it might be a problem with flash--
[03:35] <EagleScreen> if aptitude gives you an error paste it in http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[03:35] <NickPresta> BluesKaj: Computer Science :-)
[03:35] <katie> Do all browsers use the same flash player?
[03:35] <mase_work> johan__: can you be a bit more specific . Do you have an error message ? which apps are you trying to run ?
[03:35] <EagleScreen> katie: almost all
[03:36] <BluesKaj> NickPresta , quel surprise !  :)
[03:36] <johan__> mase_work: no not at all in konqueror it is working
[03:36] <mase_work> johan__: ah so you mean javaws not java its self
[03:37] <katie> eaglescreen: is it the same flashplayer-mozilla you guys are talking about now? I tried to install that with apt-get and it said there was no installation candidate... how do I figure out what flash player I'm currently using?
[03:37] <BluesKaj> !medibuntu | katie
[03:38] <johan__> mase_work: my son likes to play runeascape :P i installed java-sun
[03:38] <davecmenta> i will restart
[03:39] <mase_work> johan__: yeh there is nothing wrong with java ( at least i like it :) . I'm currently using hardy still so i don't know if i can help with specific issues, but have you looked to see if javaws( java web start) is installed. I am not sure if its a seperate package
[03:39] <EagleScreen> katie: you have in ubuntu 8.10 or 9.04 flashplugin-nonfree package, it is an script which download and copy the plugin from Adobe site, it sometimes fails
[03:40] <Ratchet_the_fox> Hi im i was in the proces of upgrading from 8.10 to 9.04 when my internet died and then came back.  anyways it said that the downloads failed and to restart the program after i check my conection.  i need to know how to restart that program
[03:40] <EagleScreen> there are in debian-multimedia a package called flashplayer-mozilla which really contains the plugin inside, and also has the native new 64 bit plugin
[03:41] <johan__> mase_work: that is intalled too
[03:42] <EagleScreen> Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat.  For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/
[03:42] <mase_work> johan__: hmm not sure sorry . I don't have a jaunty machine handy at the moment to try it out sorry.
[03:43] <mase_work> johan__: so is this konqueror integration ?
[03:43] <mase_work> does if so does it work in Firefox ?
[03:43] <johan__> mase_work: it is ok i will find out
[03:43] <johan__> it does work in konqueror but it is not seen by firefox
[03:44] <mase_work> johan__: oh ok . erm...
[03:44] <mase_work> so its working then..jus gotta get firefox to use it
[03:44] <Ratchet_the_fox> can anyone help me?
[03:44] <mase_work> i don't really know much about how firefox works.
[03:45] <mase_work> Ratchet_the_fox: apt-get dist-upgrade should be enoguh
[03:45] <Ratchet_the_fox> thank you :)
[03:45] <mase_work> np.
[03:45] <mase_work> Ratchet_the_fox: wait
[03:45] <Ratchet_the_fox> yes?
[03:45] <katie> eaglescreen: i have 8.04, I'm installing medibuntu-- thanks for the tip, I haven't heard of this, hopefully it fixes my issues.. I wasn't having an issue before, but some update or something broke something in all browsers I use now
[03:45] <mase_work> Ratchet_the_fox: make sure that the /etc/apt/apt-sources.list has been updated for jaunty
[03:46] <mase_work> it needs to say jaunty not intrepid
[03:46] <mase_work> then run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:46] <Ratchet_the_fox> how do i check that x_x
[03:47] <mase_work> Ratchet_the_fox: what was the process that you went through previously to update the system ?
[03:47] <Ratchet_the_fox> the adept thing that comes up in the task bar
[03:47] <Riesh> updating seems now almost imppossible - so slow
[03:48] <EagleScreen> katie: 8.04 has flash version 9, it could be impossible to download now
[03:48] <katie> what does that mean?
[03:48] <katie> eaglescreen: yes, something isn't working-- what does that mean? I just saw something about 9.04, I'm looking into an upgrade..
[03:49] <Ratchet_the_fox> ok adept seem s to be using 8.10 sorces
[03:49] <mase_work> Ratchet_the_fox: hmm ok. there should be an update manager application which you can run .I don't currently use intrepid or kde 4 so i am not able to direct you GUI wise
[03:49] <mase_work> Ratchet_the_fox: if you are familiar with vim or nano you can edit the files /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:49] <mase_work> and make sure that instead of intrepid it says jaunty
[03:49] <mase_work> and then run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade.
[03:50] <mase_work> but if you can find someone who can help via the gui that might be easier
[03:51] <EagleScreen> flash is not in medibuntu
[03:52] <EagleScreen> katie: you have two options, upgrade all the system to Ubuntu 9.04 or add a new repository and install flash from it
[03:53] <Ratchet_the_fox> what is the comand to upgrade the system?
[03:53] <EagleScreen> from what version to what version?
[03:53] <Ratchet_the_fox> 8.10 to 9.04
[03:54] <EagleScreen> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading
[03:55] <katie> eaglescreen: okay, what I really need is to actually diagnose what's going on... my browsers are all freezing for about a minute when loading certain sites (most sites, though), turning javscript off doesn't help, and I didn't have this problem about a month ago... I accidentally put a Jaunty repository on my list about a month ago, which messed some things up... any chance that could have something to do with my browser issues?
[03:56] <EagleScreen> katie: can you identify that jaunty repository?
[03:57] <katie> eaglescreen: I've since deleted it... it's not there anymore
[03:58] <katie> eaglescreen: it might have been an intrepid repository, actually, i'm not sure
[03:58] <EagleScreen> katie: do you want to keep KDE 3.5?
[03:58] <katie> eaglescreen: as opposed to what? as long as I have kde and not gnome, I don't know enough about them to care
[03:59] <faileas> katie: KDE 4, which is a different beast from KDE3
[03:59] <Ratchet_the_fox> thank you guys :)
[04:00] <katie> it sounds fine to me, would anything else happen to my system if I got kde 4? would anything be deleted or changed?
[04:00] <EagleScreen> katie: if you fully upgrade to jaunty, you will change you current KDE by other KDE which is a few different
[04:00] <faileas> though
[04:01] <faileas> there's a KDE3 repo IIRC
[04:01] <katie> eaglescreen: would upgrading to jaunty likely fix my browser problem?
[04:01] <katie> or at least make it easier to fix?
[04:01] <EagleScreen> currently jaunty can gives you some problems, refreshing problems in KDE windows and X crashes if you have Intel graphics card
[04:02] <EagleScreen> katie: I cannot asure that upgrading to juanty will fix your problem
[04:03] <katie> eaglescreen: how serious are the crashes? how do I check my graphics card manufacturer? i've head it's best to wait for a LTS release... true?
[04:03] <EagleScreen> yes, may be
[04:03] <EagleScreen> check your VGA with 'lspci | grep VGA'
[04:04] <EagleScreen> katie: are your problems limited to flash websites?
[04:04] <katie> eagle: is my browser issue too general to diagnose? any way I can check whether or not it's flash? I do know also that something on my system is creating a bunch of zombie processes, but I don't know what it is...
[04:05] <EagleScreen> katie examine the commands 'top' and 'free -m'
[04:05] <EagleScreen> and good luck and good night, see you tomorrow
[04:06] <katie> hmm okay, thanks for your help (:
[04:19] <kde185> ok I was just installing a gnome program (along with what seems to be 20 gnome libs).  My computer had a hard crash and I had to reboot. Now the gnome programs I have (IE firefox, gvim, even vim) don't work.  Is there a way to simply reinstall all of those libs?
[04:20] <solid_liq> !ping
[04:20] <dwidmann> kde185: did the installation complete completely?
[04:20] <kde185> or perhaps make dpkg/apt go through and verify that everything is installed properly.
[04:20] <dwidmann> kde185: sudo dpkg --configure -a maybe
[04:20] <kde185> dwidmann: no, it had downloaded and was in the process of installing packages when the computer crashed
[04:21] <dwidmann> kde185: okay, sudo dpkg --configure -a **definitely**
[04:21] <kde185> dwidmann: I did that immediately after rebooting.  It appeared to finish installing things but now firefox, vim, gvim don't work
[04:22] <kde185> dwidmann: I then uninstalled gvim(unfortunately it didn't remove all of the dependencies that came with it) and tried reinstalling but it didn't fix the issue
[04:22] <solid_liq> !ping
[04:24] <kde185> ok I just thought, maybe it's because I'm using ext4
[04:24] <solid_liq> !ping
[04:24] <russlar> is it just me, or are the us update servers pegged right now?
[04:33] <faileas> !nozap
[04:33] <faileas> !no-zap
[04:33] <faileas> gah
[04:33] <russlar> 4 hours remaining... I'm leaving it running and going to bed
[04:33] <faileas> how do you allow control alterate backsapce again?
[04:34] <russlar> there's a setting in xorg.conf, somewhere.....
[04:34] <faileas> there's a command
[04:34] <faileas> i could have sworn i had run
[04:34] <russlar> yeah, I know what you mean
[04:34] <russlar> I know it's on kubuntuforums.net somewhere
[04:34] <talvik> log out option in the menu is shutting down my computer, is anyone experiecing this?
[04:35] <faileas> i can't switch windows ;p
[04:36] <p_quarles> faileas: can't switch windows how? what are you doing, and what aspect of it isn't working?
[04:37] <faileas> p_quarles: the taskbar totally glitched out
[04:37] <russlar> here's how to turn it on
[04:37] <russlar> add these 3 lines in xorg.conf:
[04:37] <p_quarles> faileas: have you restarted plasma?
[04:37] <russlar> Section "ServerFlags"
[04:37] <faileas> p_quarles: how?
[04:38] <russlar> Option "DontZap" "off"
[04:38] <russlar> EndSection
[04:38] <p_quarles> faileas: killall plasma && /usr/bin/plasma
[04:38] <faileas> p_quarles: didn't work
[04:38] <p_quarles> russlar / faileas : you can also simply run ~$ dontzap --disable
[04:39] <p_quarles> faileas: did it give you an error message?
[04:39] <faileas> bingo
[04:39] <faileas> p_quarles: no process killed
[04:39] <russlar> faileas: kquitapp plasma
[04:40] <faileas> dontzap 's not installed? o0
[04:40] <faileas> wierd, i coulda sworn i had run it
[04:40] <p_quarles> faileas: hmm; you either 1) mistyped something; 2) don't have a taskbar at all, or 3) are running KDE 3.5.x
[04:40] <astrobear> hmm, apt-get doesn't have word completion anymore, any idea what i need to install to get it?
[04:40] <astrobear> i must have uninstalled something
[04:40] <p_quarles> astrobear: apt-get install bash-completion
[04:40] <faileas> p_quarles: there's a.. sorta task bar
[04:41] <astrobear> p_quarles: "bash-completion is already the newest version."
[04:41] <russlar> there wouldn't happen to be tcsh completion for apt, would there :)
[04:42] <astrobear> russlar: heh
[04:42]  * astrobear is using bash
[04:43] <p_quarles> astrobear: you might try dpkg-reconfigure on it
[04:43] <russlar> tcsh ftw!
[04:43] <russlar> luddites of the world, unite!
[04:43] <p_quarles> faileas: well, don't know what to tell you; without more information, the best I can do is suggest logging out and back in
[04:44] <astrobear> p_quarles: :P
[04:44] <astrobear> wish i knew too
[04:46] <p_quarles> astrobear: if you want better tab-completion, though, you might take zsh for a test drive :)
[04:47] <astrobear> meh, i'm good :)
[04:47] <astrobear> i would use urxvt before trying anything else
[04:47] <astrobear> oh, right
[04:47] <astrobear> nm
[04:47] <astrobear> two diff thingies
[04:48] <astrobear> smtp and mysql have two of my ports open, anyway to figure out what process is using them?
[04:49] <russlar> ps
[04:49] <russlar> ps -ef | grep port ?
[04:49] <astrobear>   PID TTY          TIME CMD
[04:49] <astrobear> 11274 pts/2    00:00:00 bash
[04:49] <astrobear> 11348 pts/2    00:00:00 ps
[04:49] <Ahmuck-Jr> kubuntu used to have a real nice website.  now it's very generic
[04:49] <astrobear> ah
[04:49] <Ahmuck-Jr> what happened to it?  xubuntu even looks better
[04:50] <russlar> dunno
[04:50] <russlar> I kinda wish kubuntu wasn't treated as an almost seperate distro
[04:50] <astrobear> same here
[04:51] <astrobear> who knows, that may change as kde4 continues maturing?
[04:51] <astrobear> ps showed mysql process but not what was using it and i still don't know what has the smtp port open
[04:51] <astrobear> i don't even use smtp
[04:52] <lorecaster> while trying to run "sudo nvidia-settings" in my fresh install of 9.04, it tells me to run nvidia-xconfig as root to enable my xserver... but then it tells me "Sudo: nvidia-xconfig: command not found:
[04:52] <astrobear> ..to send mail
[04:52] <russlar> is sendmail running?
[04:52] <agoole> hey all, does anyone else have trouble with their sound in flash in 9.04 ?
[04:54] <astrobear> i don't see sendmail in top, but i see chipcardd4, which seems to not want to go away after being killed
[04:54] <russlar> sudo kill -NUKE-FROM-ORBIT chipcardd4
[04:55] <astrobear> russlar: :)
[04:55] <astrobear> i would kind of like to live
[04:55] <russlar> hehe
[04:55] <joshjtl> can anyone tell me how to use the Activy Bar plasma widget?
[04:55] <russlar> that's what a ~/.bashrc is for
[04:56] <russlar> or, a ~.cshrc
[04:56] <agoole> does anyone have trouble with flash ?
[04:56] <agoole> I dont hear any sound on mine
[04:56] <russlar> not yet
[04:56] <david_k-cfd> I am having trouble with flash
[04:56] <russlar> I'll let you know in 21 days ;)
[04:56] <lorecaster> i don't know yet... but statistically i will :P
[04:56] <david_k-cfd> I was actually about to try with another browser
[04:57] <david_k-cfd> with Opera, the flash didn't work
[04:57] <russlar> what about FF?
[04:57] <russlar> or konqueror?
[04:57] <agoole> I installed the adobe tarball, but I can't hear sound, with FF
[04:57] <lorecaster> i use ff
[04:57] <david_k-cfd> let me try ff
[04:57] <lorecaster> mine works flawlessly out of the box, so to speak.
[04:57] <russlar> agoole: flash is in the repos, get it with aptitude or whatever gui pkg manager we're using now...
[04:57] <lorecaster> just did my 490 freaking updates with the base install... lol, reminds me of my windows days
[04:58] <agoole> russlar: I tried taht one as well, sound still didn't work
[04:58] <russlar> does the sound work in other apps?
[04:58] <agoole> yes
[04:58] <russlar> huh
[04:58] <agoole> I can play java games
[04:58] <lorecaster> when i first installed ubuntu 9.04, i had to go into my BIOS and disable my onboard sound for it to work in some and not other apps
[04:59] <agoole> the sounds from kopete works
[04:59] <lorecaster> even some file formats would not play, while others would. turned off onboard sound, and everything has been cherry since
[04:59] <agoole> lorecaster: turning it off fixed all your problems ?
[04:59] <lorecaster> LOL, nothing will ever fix all my problems... but it fixed my sound-not-playing ones
[05:00] <agoole> hahaha
[05:00] <agoole> i meant sound wise
[05:00] <lorecaster> winning the loto and ascending into a being of pure energy wouldn't fix all my problems :P
[05:00] <agoole> so I guess i should reboot
[05:00] <lorecaster> but yeah, that helped me 110%... that and restricted-media-extras or whatever it's called
[05:00] <agoole> but I dont understand
[05:01] <agoole> i mean, if my sound works in all my other apps, why not flash plugin
[05:01] <agoole> christ
[05:01] <lorecaster> reboot, go into your bios settings... if you have an sound card that's internal and not onboard. bios is not something you should play with to gain experience... that can be bad.
[05:01] <lorecaster> careful your tongue... please. this is a family-friendly forum.
[05:01] <mase_work> agoole: its the downside of proprietary software.
[05:01] <agoole> sorry,
[05:01] <agoole> my apologies
[05:01] <lorecaster> i've been told off a bunch of times :P
[05:01] <mase_work> lorecaster:  christ is a naughty word ?
[05:01] <lorecaster> i'm not even christian, but it's a word to the word.
[05:01] <lorecaster> it can be to some ears...
[05:01] <agoole> I shouldn't of said it,
[05:01] <mase_work> i thought it was a name
[05:01] <agoole> its been a long day
[05:02] <lorecaster> it happens :D just being cautionary. try the bios fix, may not even be your problem.
[05:02] <agoole> ok let me reboot, and disable onboard sound, I dont need it anyways i have a card
[05:02] <agoole> ok
[05:02] <lorecaster> anyone know how to fix my nvidia problem?
[05:03] <lorecaster> while trying to run "sudo nvidia-settings" in my fresh install of 9.04, it tells me to run nvidia-xconfig as root to enable my xserver... but then it tells me "Sudo: nvidia-xconfig: command not found"
[05:03] <russlar> what does sudo find / -name nvidia-xconfig
[05:03] <russlar> say?
[05:03] <lorecaster> running it now
[05:04] <ryan-c> So.  I'm running hardy right now.  SHould I upgrade to ibex then jaunty or can i safely go hardy->jaunty?
[05:04] <russlar> don't know
[05:04] <lorecaster> russlar: said nothing, just gave me a new command line after about 7 unburdened seconds
[05:04] <russlar> looks like it's not installed
[05:05] <lorecaster> so i should apt-get it?
[05:05] <lorecaster> "sudo apt-get install nvidia-xconfig
[05:05] <russlar> or aptitude, yes
[05:05] <russlar> !aptitude
[05:07] <lorecaster> e: Couldn't find package nvidia-xconfig
[05:07] <lorecaster> am i spelling it wrong?!
[05:07] <agoole> hello room
[05:07] <lorecaster> blessings agoole
[05:07] <agoole> dear irc gods: I will never doubt ye again
[05:07] <agoole> lorecaster: the bios sound fixed it.
[05:07] <lorecaster> COOL!! :D
[05:07] <agoole> also, it fixed the choppyness
[05:07] <agoole> I thought it was alsa before, but now its all better
[05:07] <lorecaster> BTW... i'm a newbie, been working with linux for 3 weeks, we were just lucky to have faced the same problem.
[05:08] <lorecaster> kudos.
[05:08] <agoole> yeah, i didn't think it was a problem as it all worked in ibex.
[05:08] <agoole> its weird that with an update its now dependent on the bios
[05:09] <lorecaster> who knows... but i'm happy for you. now pass on the knowledge bistowed upon you this day. :D
[05:09] <agoole> also, any of you use the weather widget for the desktop ?
[05:09] <agoole> hahaha, i will,
[05:09] <lorecaster> i did for my previous install... it was painless for me. lemme try to get it again
[05:09] <agoole> I'm not a newbie, i should of figured this out
[05:09] <lorecaster> right click top panel, add to panel, find and install?
[05:09] <lorecaster> that's all i did.
[05:09] <agoole> yes
[05:10] <agoole> all my info is correct, except for the graphic
[05:10] <agoole> mine is showing a sun
[05:10] <mase_work> agoole: what problem were you having ?
[05:10] <agoole> but its defenitly not sunyn
[05:10] <agoole> mase_work: oh, the sound was crappy, and didn't work in flash at all,
[05:10] <agoole> mase_work: disabling the bios sound fixed it
[05:10] <lorecaster> -beams-
[05:11] <mase_work> agoole:and only flash had the problem ?
[05:11] <agoole> yes, mostly,
[05:11] <agoole> there was some choppyness in the sound overall
[05:11] <agoole> and my sound didn't work at first, I had to reinstall the sound core packages
[05:12] <mase_work> do you happen to know what kind of sounnd card/ chipset you have ?
[05:12] <agoole> yes, its a soundblaster live, but let me get you specifics
[05:13] <lorecaster> i tried doing sudo aptitude install nvidia-xconfig
[05:13] <lorecaster> and then it said "Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "nvidia-xconfig""
[05:13] <russlar> look it up in a gui pkg manager then
[05:13] <agoole> mase_work: 02:02.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs [SB Live! Value] EMU10k1X
[05:14] <astrobear> is there a way to just close the port and whatever is using it?
[05:14] <lorecaster> russlar i see dozens of names...
[05:14] <russlar> pick one
[05:15] <agoole> lorecaster: what are you trying to do ?
[05:15] <mase_work> agoole:  cool thanks.
[05:15] <agoole> the sound still isn't perfect
[05:16] <agoole> I can hear scratching sometimes
[05:16] <lorecaster> i wanted to get my dual monitors working again, but sudo nvidia-settings tells me i need to run sudo nvidia-xconfig, but it's not installed. apt-get and aptitide says it's not installed... so now i'm in synaptic and i don't know what i need to install.
[05:16] <agoole> lol
[05:16] <agoole> nvidia-xconfig should be there ?
[05:17] <agoole> type it in
[05:17] <agoole> without the sudo
[05:17] <lorecaster> in terminal or synaptic? syn has 40 entries
[05:18] <agoole> in terminal
[05:18] <agoole> just type, nv, and touble tap the tab button,
[05:18] <agoole> it should auto complete to all the entries you have
[05:18] <agoole> starting with nv
[05:19] <JB_> is anyone having probs with gnome wireless in 9.04 but work okay in KDE
[05:19] <lorecaster> wonderufl :) says to install nvidia-glx-180 doing so now
[05:20] <agoole> lorecaster: is that compatible with your graphics card ?
[05:20] <lorecaster> yepyep, i knew that one already. didn't know to install it.
[05:20] <agoole> oh haha
[05:20] <lorecaster> that, and my downlaod rates from installers have been garbage. 10kb, 5kb, and fluxuationg wildly...
[05:21] <lorecaster> downloads from anything else but ubuntu sources have been steller
[05:21] <agoole> thats because today is a big day
[05:21] <lorecaster> must be the hundred-million people downloading stuff :P
[05:21] <agoole> everyone is updating
[05:21] <lorecaster> yeah
[05:21] <agoole> its normal
[05:21] <lorecaster> took 7 hours to get the 490 updates
[05:21] <lorecaster> i figured they'd be packaged with the base-installer
[05:21] <agoole> I just needed my computer to be working before the weekend, so I decided to do it tonight
[05:21] <agoole> a lot of things weren't packaged,
[05:22] <lorecaster> Goddess teaches patience, and thank Her for that! :D been working on this for 14 hours
[05:22] <agoole> i copied everything i needed from my old install....except for one thing.
[05:23] <agoole> i forgot my bookmarks :S
[05:23] <lorecaster> LMAO! me too
[05:23] <lorecaster> I have two partitions... 1.2 terabytes for storage, and 100gb for my install filesystem
[05:23] <agoole> I lost all my links to articles about encryption and mysql hints and all
[05:23] <agoole> nice ncie
[05:23] <agoole> i have a 500gb external,
[05:24] <lorecaster> my externals keep dying... but this seems a little offtopic :P
[05:24] <agoole> and a 80gb for my computer,
[05:24] <agoole> haha
[05:24] <lorecaster> shame on an experienced user like yourself. i have an excuse!
[05:24] <mase_work> hey guys, could someone who is running jaunty please tell me which version of the intel graphics driver is currently in the repository / installed
[05:24] <agoole> mase_work: what do you mean ?
[05:25] <agoole> which package do you want to check ?
[05:25] <mase_work> agoole: it's called xorg-video-intel i think
[05:25] <mase_work> i just need the major and minor version number
[05:25] <mase_work> so not the ubuntu specific one but the intel version no
[05:26] <lorecaster> agoole : VALIDATION ERROR: Data incomplete in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
[05:26] <agoole> ok gimme a sec
[05:26] <agoole> lorecaster: be right with you, gimme a min
[05:26] <lorecaster> thanks
[05:26] <david_k-cfd> HEEEELLLLLPPP!!!! FLash is not working, I uninstall it and install it again from the repos and no luck
[05:27] <david_k-cfd> would it make any difference if I try it manual?
[05:27] <mase_work> agoole: if its too much of a hassle then i can just trawl the packages manually
[05:27] <agoole> mase_work: it says its version 2.6.3
[05:28] <mase_work> agoole: awesome thanks
[05:28] <agoole> david_k-cfd: install it from the adobe website after removing the repo package
[05:28] <agoole> lorecaster: ok so what happend ?
[05:28] <lorecaster> VALIDATION ERROR: Data incomplete in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
[05:28] <david_k-cfd> ageele: thanks....ok, will do that
[05:28] <cweagans> anybody know how to create an ad-hoc wireless network in 9.04?
[05:28] <luis_> Hi. I'm downloading the upgrade to 9.04 and it's coming quite slow. Any suggestion to speed it up? Maybe changing repos?
[05:28] <agoole> lorecaster: and this is after you installed those drivers eh ?
[05:29] <lorecaster> yep
[05:29] <MushroomKingdom> I cant compile gettext on 9.04
[05:29] <agoole> luis_: can't, its just a busy day for the servers, just have to wait
[05:29] <agoole> lorecaster: uninstall those drivers, clearly they weren't the proper ones
[05:29] <lorecaster> instruct me/ :$
[05:29] <agoole> or gimme a sec
[05:29] <agoole> haha
[05:29] <david_k-cfd> agoole: is version 10 ok for flash? well, it is the only one, isn't it?
[05:30] <cweagans> luls_: you could download the install disk via Bit Torrent. Doesn't help much if you are just upgrading, but I got my disk in like 25 minutes =P
[05:30] <agoole> david_k-cfd: yeah, tahts the latest version
[05:30] <agoole> lorecaster: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[05:30] <agoole> lorecaster: type that, it might fix it
[05:30] <neptunepink> The installer still fails, as usual.
[05:30] <lorecaster> done
[05:30] <MushroomKingdom> Hi, this is my 4th hour of using linux and I am lost
[05:30] <Riesh> still impossible to make a static IP wireless connection with network-manager ... :-( ...
[05:31] <agoole> lorecaster: ok, now type , sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop && startx
[05:31] <lorecaster> agoola: xserver-xorg postinst warning: overwriting possibly-customised configuration file; backup in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.20090424020041
[05:31] <agoole> lorecaster: thats ok
[05:31] <lorecaster> sudo: /etc/init.d/kdm: command not found
[05:31] <agoole> MushroomKingdom: whats wrong ?
[05:31] <MushroomKingdom> im compiling things and installing things but I honestly have no idea what the hell I'm doing. I want firefox to work and I want irssi to work but I don't have glib installed, and then I need gettext, but gettext wont compile
[05:32] <agoole> lorecaster: are you running kde ?
[05:32] <lorecaster> gnome
[05:32] <agoole> lorecaster: oh jeesh, my bad,
[05:32] <agoole> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[05:32] <faileas> MushroomKingdom: why not use the packages?
[05:32] <lorecaster> gnome was the default for the install... didn't even decide
[05:32] <agoole> MushroomKingdom: just use the packages...
[05:33] <MushroomKingdom> packages
[05:33] <MushroomKingdom> where do I get these
[05:33] <agoole> MushroomKingdom: what version are you using right now ?
[05:33] <faileas> lorecaster: if you got the ubuntu disk, yes. You can always install kubuntu-desktop
[05:33] <MushroomKingdom> 9.04
[05:33] <agoole> ok
[05:33] <agoole> open a terminal MushroomKingdom
[05:33] <agoole> have you used a terminal before ?
[05:33] <MushroomKingdom> sorry this is my first time using linux. It meant to be a dual boot but i fucked up
[05:33] <MushroomKingdom> yes, i was using it to comile things.
[05:34] <agoole> haha s'ok, don't worry
[05:34] <agoole> did you erase your other partition
[05:34] <agoole> ?
[05:34] <MushroomKingdom> ok
[05:34] <agoole> no no, I was asking
[05:34] <MushroomKingdom> i pretty much put the disk in, forgot to partition
[05:34] <agoole> ok
[05:34] <agoole> so you don't konw
[05:34] <MushroomKingdom> :P yep
[05:34] <agoole> lets see
[05:35] <agoole> open up a terminal
[05:35] <agoole> do you have one open ?
[05:35] <MushroomKingdom> ah well, it looks like can access all my files off my external drives fine so no biggie
[05:35] <MushroomKingdom> ok open
[05:35] <agoole> type this:
[05:35] <agoole> sudo apt-get install firefox irssi
[05:35] <agoole> that should install your packages, without compiling
[05:36] <MushroomKingdom> :O
[05:36] <agoole> they're precompiled for most ubuntu systems
[05:36] <MushroomKingdom> awesome
[05:36] <MushroomKingdom> :D my savior
[05:36] <MushroomKingdom> here I am trying to find all the files I need lols
[05:36] <agoole> if you want to look for a package, you can type: sudo aptitude search blahblabhah
[05:36] <agoole> that will return any packages with that keyword
[05:36] <MushroomKingdom> oo ok
[05:36] <agoole> then you just install it
[05:37] <MushroomKingdom> :D I can't believe its that easy
[05:37] <agoole> what was the other package you wanted ? gettext ?
[05:37] <david_k-cfd> agoole, it works now, thanks a lot
[05:37] <agoole> david_k-cfd: no problem :)
[05:37] <MushroomKingdom> yeah i have the source files
[05:37] <agoole> MushroomKingdom: did you check and see if there was a package already ?
[05:37] <MushroomKingdom> i will in a sec
[05:38] <agoole> MushroomKingdom: ok, I just checked, its in the repositories, so you should install the package
[05:38] <agoole> MushroomKingdom: and not the source
[05:38] <MushroomKingdom> excellent
[05:38] <agoole> its always better to try the package first, and not the source
[05:38] <MushroomKingdom> ok :)
[05:39] <MushroomKingdom> I wrote down what you said for future reference
[05:39] <agoole> i love being online at 1.30am, thats when people need the most help, haha
[05:39] <russlar> hooray bleary eyed!
[05:39] <agoole> MushroomKingdom: eventually, you will have typed it so often you'll just remember
[05:39] <MushroomKingdom> thats odd.. I cant install it
[05:39] <agoole> haha hooray bleary eyeed!
[05:40] <agoole> MushroomKingdom: can't install what ? gettext ?
[05:40] <MushroomKingdom> Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[05:40] <MushroomKingdom> yeah
[05:40] <agoole> oh
[05:40] <russlar> MushroomKingdom: ps -ef | grep apt
[05:40] <MushroomKingdom> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[05:40] <MushroomKingdom> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[05:40] <agoole> you're problably installing something else at the same time
[05:40] <agoole> you
[05:40] <MushroomKingdom> ohhhh
[05:40] <MushroomKingdom> ok
[05:41] <MushroomKingdom> im still getting irssi
[05:41] <agoole> you'll have to wait, you can only install once per session
[05:41] <agoole> exactly,
[05:41] <lorecaster> i wish i knew it was a reboot command :P it froze when it tested battery
[05:41] <MushroomKingdom> thats why. alright
[05:41] <MushroomKingdom> :D thank you so much
[05:41] <agoole> had I known you wanted gettext, i would of appended it to your list
[05:41] <MushroomKingdom> :P
[05:41] <agoole> lorecaster: hahaha, we were still trying to help you, after you disapeared
[05:41] <MushroomKingdom> ummmmm ok so then i can delete all of the source files i downloaded?
[05:41] <lorecaster> you gave me a reboot command, silly
[05:41] <ash26x> hey gang, i'm thining about trying KDE, haven't used it in years
[05:42] <agoole> MushroomKingdom: yes, delete those
[05:42] <agoole> lorecaster: a reboot command ?
[05:42] <ash26x> does the kubuntu release use the new notifications system in 9.04?
[05:42] <faileas> MushroomKingdom: yes
[05:42] <lorecaster> whatever it was you gave me last, set my computer into a reset and i couldn't get out of it
[05:42] <russlar> ash26x: you mean the Gnome ones from Ubuntu?
[05:42] <agoole> lorecaster: oh weird, s'ok,
[05:42] <MushroomKingdom> ok, sweet thank you
[05:42] <lorecaster> xconfig still fails
[05:42] <Hirato> hai, I'm curious as to why half of my KDE isntallation wants to just dissapear when I try to uninstall libpulse0
[05:43] <lorecaster> will be back and forth, boiling some snacks :P rockin ramen
[05:43] <ash26x> right, the ubuntu gnome has a notification system
[05:43] <russlar> ash26x: KDE4.2 has it's own notification system, which is very very similar to the new ubuntu one
[05:43] <ash26x> is that gnome specific
[05:43] <agoole> Hirato: its a dependency ??
[05:43] <ash26x> or is it also in klubuntu
[05:43] <ash26x> ohhh
[05:43] <Hirato> agoole well it's causing sound device lockig problems for me :p
[05:43] <ash26x> so it's gnome specific, but KDE has their own bag
[05:43] <ash26x> gotcha
[05:43] <russlar> ash26x: From what I've seen, the new gnome one looks just like growl for mac
[05:44] <russlar> the KDE one is much more functional
[05:44] <agoole> Hirato: hum....describe your sound problems ?
[05:44] <ash26x> i don't mind that
[05:44] <MushroomKingdom> cause i was trying to install glib, gettext, expat, and ncurses because the source files told me it was needed
[05:44] <russlar> notifications can be stacked
[05:44] <agoole> Hirato: do you have onboard sound ? I had to disable mine from the bios to fix my problems
[05:44] <ash26x> i'mma just give the live disk a try
[05:44] <russlar> yes
[05:44] <Hirato> agoole I can no longer have amarok running side by side with another app taht uses say, libsdl1.2debian-alsa
[05:44] <lorecaster> so... agoole... ideas?
[05:45] <Hirato> (and them both having sound that is)
[05:45] <agoole> lorecaster: what kind of card do you have ?
[05:45] <lorecaster> nvidia 8600
[05:45] <agoole> Hirato: do you have onboard sound ? try disabling it
[05:45] <agoole> lorecaster: huh, nice card,
[05:45] <agoole> lorecaster: let me check the documentation
[05:45] <lorecaster> wanna upgrade. i also wanna get a third monitor... a 22" :D
[05:46] <Hirato> agoole, that's beside the point, I manually deleted all the fiels the lib installed, and it solved all ym sound woes, so why's it a dependency?
[05:46] <Hirato> why can't I uninstall it? why did I have to uninstall it's files manually?
[05:46] <agoole> Hirato: you shouldn't delete those files manually...
[05:46] <agoole> Hirato: its bad news for dependencies
[05:47] <agoole> Hirato: whats the file you want to delete again ?
[05:47] <russlar> Hirato: sudo aptitude autoclean
[05:47] <Hirato> it's a lib, libpulse0
[05:47] <russlar> don't delete that
[05:47] <agoole> lorecaster: ok, are you around ?
[05:48] <agoole> lorecaster: going to try something with you, because your card is so new,
[05:48] <Hirato> why not? it's only causing problems for me
[05:48] <agoole> Hirato: that doesn't mean that it will fix anything
[05:48] <lorecaster> coolies
[05:48] <Hirato> but manually deleting the confs and shared objects it placed about did fix'fix' ym problem
[05:49] <MushroomKingdom> :/ heh its gonna take me a bit to get used to this single click business
[05:49] <MushroomKingdom> is there a way to change that?
[05:49] <agoole> MushroomKingdom: system settings, then keyboard and mouse
[05:49] <agoole> lorecaster: ready ?
[05:49] <MushroomKingdom> ah, thank you
[05:50] <lorecaster> been ready for ages ;)
[05:50] <lorecaster> i was BORN ready
[05:50] <agoole> lorecaster: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` build-essential gcc gcc-3.4 xserver-xorg-dev
[05:50] <raylu> MushroomKingdom: also, avoid the mouse and you won't have to "click" :P
[05:50] <agoole> lorecaster: sry, was giving you a chance to make some ramen, haha
[05:50] <Hirato> so I want to know why it's a dependency that'll take half of KDE with it, while I don't need it - or want it
[05:50] <raylu> agoole: you won't need gcc, and why 3.4?
[05:50] <lorecaster> already slupin
[05:50] <lorecaster> slurpin
[05:50] <agoole> raylu: I dont know, i'm simply following the procedure online for getting his 8600 to work,
[05:50] <MushroomKingdom> :P 4th hour of linux im still attached to things
[05:51] <agoole> raylu: do you ahve a better method ?
[05:51] <agoole> Hirato: remove it and you will most likely break your install
[05:51] <raylu> agoole: geforce 8600? doesn't that work out of the box with nvidia-glx?
[05:52] <lorecaster> it did last time :S
[05:52] <agoole> I thought it just crashed ?
[05:52] <agoole> didn't you just install the glx drivers ?
[05:52] <MushroomKingdom> Uh, I use a xbox 360 as a joypad, will Kubuntu recognise it?
[05:52] <lorecaster> yeah, thought it was the 180 drivers...
[05:52] <agoole> MushroomKingdom: haha, it'll take some tweaking, but I think so
[05:53] <agoole> lorecaster: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[05:53] <raylu> agoole, lorecaster: crashed = system unresponsive or X11 crashed?
[05:53] <MushroomKingdom> agoole: thats fine, I dont mind tweaking as long as I dont need to buy something new :D
[05:53] <lorecaster> as in ... when it was testing system battery, it hung for about 8-10 minutes
[05:53] <agoole> raylu: his X won't load, creates an incomplete xorg.conf
[05:53] <raylu> agoole: with X -configure?
[05:54] <agoole> raylu: we tried, and still didn't start, according to him
[05:54] <lorecaster> says i need to install one of the GLX files... 96, 71, 180 or 173
[05:54] <MushroomKingdom> brb
[05:54] <raylu> agoole: er, no, that was a question
[05:54] <Hirato> but I did delete libpulse0's files without any ill effects, heck it solved my issue as I mentioned, games that use the alsa build of libsdl have sound, amarok has sound, even vlc has sound - all at the same time, which I couldn't do before with libpulse0's files in tact as they were before
[05:54] <raylu> agoole: you said that it "creates" an incomplete xorg.conf. X doesn't by itself that I know of
[05:55] <agoole> raylu: now, but he tried installing drivers, and then broke his xorg.conf file i think
[05:55] <lorecaster> lol, leave it to me
[05:56] <bendodge> are the upgrade servers swamped?
[05:56] <agoole> bendodge: yes. haha
[05:56] <raylu> agoole, lorecaster: i'd generate another one with X -configure
[05:56] <Hirato> so I still don't know why the KDE packages are as dependant on ti as they are
[05:56] <raylu> agoole, lorecaster: and then use nvidia-xconfig
[05:57] <russlar> bendodge: you're able to specify one
[05:57] <agoole> raylu: nvidia-xconfig said to install those drivers, which broke his xorg.conf
[05:57] <agoole> raylu: unless i'm mistaken
[05:57] <bendodge> russiar: idk, i'm using the GUI upgrader since apt-get dist-upgrade was acting just like apt-get upgrade
[05:57] <raylu> nvidia-xconfig merely looks at your existing xorg.conf and generates a new one that should load it
[05:58] <MushroomKingdom> :/ I cannot find the irssi I just installed
[05:58] <lorecaster> Fatal server error: Server is already active for display 0
[05:58] <raylu> bendodge: try aptitude dist-upgrade
[05:58] <raylu> MushroomKingdom: it's a cli app
[05:58] <MushroomKingdom> what does that mean?
[05:58] <raylu> lorecaster: right... you have to kill X first
[05:58] <agoole> MushroomKingdom: run it from command line
[05:58] <raylu> MushroomKingdom: cli = command line interface. open up konsole and type irssi
[05:58] <MushroomKingdom> ohhh
[05:59] <lorecaster> how do i? :$
[05:59] <johnricher> Hi all... I have an HP dv8000 notebook and cannot get wireless working.... any direction?
[05:59] <MushroomKingdom> is there a way to have like an icon for it?
[05:59] <lorecaster> clear
[05:59] <agoole> lorecaster: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[05:59] <lorecaster> oops, nm
[05:59] <bendodge> raylu: is there any point to starting over?
[05:59] <raylu> lorecaster: exit everything first. ctrl+alt+f1, killall kdm
[05:59] <raylu> bendodge: starting what over?
[05:59] <raylu> bendodge: oh, you're already using the gui app; i guess not
[05:59] <bendodge> the upgrade
[05:59] <bendodge> kk
[05:59] <raylu> lorecaster: actually, what agoole said is better
[05:59] <agoole> lorecaster: you're using gnome right ?
[06:00] <raylu> except invoke-rc.d is preferred over /etc/init.d
[06:00] <Hirato> what's wrong with sudo pkill gdm?
[06:00] <agoole> Hirato: its better to stop than to kill, if you don't have to
[06:01] <Hirato> oh well, I suppose it's easier to issue a start than a init 1 :D
[06:01] <agoole> raylu: lorecaster just got rebooted again, haha
[06:02] <bendodge> anyone who's upgraded know if the Kickoff keyboard focus bugfix is live?
[06:02] <Hirato> I'm gonig to enjoy my sound nirvana now (till there's a patch for libpulse0...), see ya
[06:03] <raylu> how do i get transparency in konsole?
[06:03] <lorecaster> i had NO idea where i just was when i hit crtl + alt + f1... but i didn't know i'd go away from this window and lost that code... i couldn't even get out of it, so i rebooted... when i got back, i got into my nvidia x-server settings fine :|
[06:03] <agoole> lorecaster: so you're ok ?
[06:04] <lorecaster> uhh... seems that way?
[06:04] <agoole> raylu: transparancy with what ? just he window ?
[06:04] <russlar> lorecaster: that was TTY1
[06:04] <agoole> lorecaster: i think you're back to your original settings,
[06:04] <lorecaster> i thought it said "talk to you later" ... i'm so green
[06:04] <faileas> lol
[06:04] <agoole> hahaha
[06:04] <luce> 测试
[06:04] <russlar> It's not green
[06:04] <agoole> you can have multiple sessions, all code
[06:04] <agoole> explore a bit
[06:04] <lorecaster> i'd get offended... but i'm laughing too
[06:04] <faileas> 'code' ?
[06:04] <bendodge> raylu: i think you'd have to set it custom in a compositor plugin
[06:05] <agoole> use ctrl alt f1, then do that with f7 to come back to X
[06:05] <russlar> faileas: CLI session
[06:05] <lorecaster> f7, duely noted.
[06:05] <faileas> lorecaster: its called a virtual terminal. generally the one that your x session runs in is the 7th one.
[06:05] <agoole> lorecaster: your 'graphics' are on f7,
[06:05] <lorecaster> aff
[06:05] <agoole> lorecaster: but if you need to, you can use f1 to f6 and what not to use
[06:06] <bendodge> raylu: idk about kde4's new compositor, but Compiz Fusion could specify transparency settings for individual windows
[06:06] <raylu> bendodge: i don't intend to install compiz since xmonad is my window manager
[06:06] <lorecaster> *ahh... neat. I promise, I will learn in time. :D i remember in 8.10 i could ctrl + alt + bkspc and boot to a login screen to reboot my servers... what do i do here? that doesn't work
[06:06] <agoole> raylu: can't you right click on the window, and select window behavior ? and simply enable it from there ?
[06:06] <bendodge> raylu: oops :P
[06:07] <agoole> crtl alt backspace eh ?
[06:07] <lorecaster> it worked in 8.1
[06:07] <raylu> agoole: what? konsole?
[06:07] <agoole> raylu: you want to set transparency for the konsole window I though
[06:08] <raylu> agoole: yes. i don't have "window behavior." i have effects off, by the way
[06:08] <p_quarles> lorecaster: sudo dontzap --disable if you want to bring it back; that key-combo was blocked by default in 9.04
[06:08] <agoole> lorecaster: alt ctrl backspace was disabled by X i think
[06:08] <ash26x> the
[06:09] <ash26x> wow, auto replace is sweet
[06:09] <lorecaster> coolies. i happen to like it :D prevents a full system reboot like M$
[06:09] <MushroomKingdom> hmmmm apparently I cant have transparent backgrounds they arent supported
[06:09] <bendodge> lorecaster: you can also log off and restart X from the menu
[06:09] <russlar> MushroomKingdom: you can
[06:09] <russlar> it's just a universal setting
[06:09] <lorecaster> that's what i've ended up doing :P
[06:09] <agoole> raylu: yeah, I dont know how to help you without window effectst
[06:09] <MushroomKingdom> it tells me my browser isnt supporting it
[06:09] <russlar> active windows/inactive windows/moving pictures
[06:09] <russlar> huh?
[06:11] <MushroomKingdom> I can't have transparent backgrounds it's telling me
[06:11] <agoole> hum... a fresh install and firefox doesn't die normally...weird
[06:12] <russlar> agoole: firefox has been replaced with zombiefox for jaunty
[06:12] <russlar> you didn't get the memo?
[06:12] <agoole> lol zombiefox ?
[06:12] <russlar> or undeadfox
[06:12] <agoole> which one are you using ?
[06:13] <russlar> I've seen it happen when you install FF from their website, instead of from the repos
[06:13] <MushroomKingdom> o.O how do I quickly look for folders, in the console?
[06:13] <agoole> i used the repo
[06:13] <agoole> MushroomKingdom: what are you looking for ?
[06:13] <agoole> MushroomKingdom: use ls
[06:13] <russlar> MushroomKingdom: find
[06:13] <MushroomKingdom> ls?
[06:13] <agoole> it will list all
[06:13] <russlar> !find
[06:13] <raylu> agoole: ok, i turned them on; i don't think it made a difference, though
[06:13] <MushroomKingdom> im looking for an irssi folder to put my theme in it
[06:14] <agoole> raylu: you should be able to enable transparency there
[06:14] <russlar> MushroomKingdom: ls will list, find will search wherever you tell it
[06:14] <russlar> MushroomKingdom: do this: sudo find / -name irssi
[06:14] <MushroomKingdom> ok thank you
[06:15] <agoole> and the directory you're looking for is in ~/.irssi/
[06:15] <russlar> MushroomKingdom: what that does is find at / (slash) where name is irssi
[06:15] <MushroomKingdom> /usr/share/menu/irssi
[06:15] <MushroomKingdom> /usr/share/doc/irssi
[06:15] <MushroomKingdom> /usr/share/irssi
[06:15] <MushroomKingdom> /usr/bin/irssi
[06:15] <MushroomKingdom> /usr/lib/irssi
[06:16] <agoole> no no no
[06:16] <agoole> MushroomKingdom: you're folder is in ~/.irssi/
[06:16] <russlar> agoole: unless it doesn;t exist yet
[06:16] <MushroomKingdom> found it :D
[06:16] <agoole> MushroomKingdom: those up above are all the package and binary folders
[06:17] <raylu> agoole: yeah, i'm pretty sure xmonad makes it so that i don't have transparency
[06:17] <agoole> raylu: let me look it up
[06:17] <russlar> raylu: you aren't using kwin?
[06:18] <raylu> russlar: nope.
[06:18] <MushroomKingdom> o.O i cant move things into the folder
[06:19] <agoole> raylu: http://haskell.org/haskellwiki/Xmonad/Frequently_asked_questions#How_do_I_use_compositing_with_xmonad.3F
[06:19] <agoole> raylu: it says you can use transparency
[06:19] <agoole> MushroomKingdom: which folder ?
[06:19] <MushroomKingdom> into the themes folder
[06:20] <agoole> which folder specifically are you trying to copy to ?
[06:20] <MushroomKingdom> /usr/share/irssi/themes
[06:20] <agoole> MushroomKingdom: I dont think tahts the proper folder...
[06:20] <agoole> i looked it up online
[06:20] <agoole> the folder is in your home directory
[06:20] <MushroomKingdom> i cannot find the ~/.irssi/ folder
[06:20] <MushroomKingdom> home.. k
[06:21] <MushroomKingdom> i dont see it in the home dir
[06:21] <agoole> the tilda (~) just means in your home directory
[06:21] <agoole> and the dot means its hidden
[06:21] <MushroomKingdom> ah
[06:21] <agoole> make sure you can view hidden files
[06:21] <agoole> open up a terminal
[06:21] <agoole> and lets check if its there
[06:22] <MushroomKingdom> k
[06:22] <lorecaster> #vbox
[06:22] <agoole> in the terminal,type irssi
[06:22] <agoole> so that at least we'll run it once
[06:22] <MushroomKingdom> ok
[06:22] <agoole> then exit, by typing /exit
[06:22] <MushroomKingdom> kk
[06:22] <agoole> then, lets move to the folder, so : cd ~/.irssi/
[06:23] <MushroomKingdom> ooo
[06:23] <agoole> did that work ?
[06:23] <MushroomKingdom> yes
[06:23] <agoole> MushroomKingdom: then it does exist,
[06:23] <MushroomKingdom> :D ok
[06:23] <agoole> so where is this theme ?
[06:23] <agoole> where did you download it ?
[06:23] <MushroomKingdom> in my documents
[06:23] <agoole> ok,
[06:23] <agoole> so
[06:23] <agoole> lets move it to your irssi folder
[06:24] <MushroomKingdom> ok
[06:24] <agoole> mv /home/username/documents/theme ~/.irssi/
[06:24] <agoole> or you can move it with dolphin.
[06:25] <MushroomKingdom> how do I see invisible folders in dolphin?
[06:25] <agoole> the shortcut key is alt+,
[06:25] <agoole> i think
[06:25] <agoole> or go into the menu
[06:25] <agoole> in view, select the view hidden files
[06:26] <agoole> the shortcut is actually alt+.
[06:26] <MushroomKingdom> ah ok thank you
[06:26] <agoole> now
[06:26] <agoole> in irssi
[06:26] <agoole> you have to set the theme, don't forget
[06:26] <raylu> agoole: well, konsole thinks i can, but i still don't see transparency
[06:27] <MushroomKingdom> yep :D ty
[06:27] <russlar> MIT's giant internet pipe FTW!
[06:27] <agoole> raylu: well I tried, lol, I dont know anything about that layout manager
[06:27] <MushroomKingdom> ok, trying it now
[06:27] <agoole> i'm using irssi right now
[06:28] <agoole> anyone using the current weather widget ?
[06:29] <MushroomKingdom> brb
[06:29] <lavallee> wewt it works
[06:30] <MushroomKingdom> now I just have to get the transparent window working
[06:35] <mphilpot> Under "Add Widgets" -> "Install from file" why is superkaramba (.skz) no longer listed?
[06:35] <mphilpot> It was in 08.10
[06:36] <agoole> mphilpot: i don't think they have ported to jaunty yet
[06:36] <mphilpot> Ahh... so an update later?
[06:36] <agoole> mphilpot: probably,
[06:36] <chx> hi. i am trying to upgrade to jaunty , but first, intrepid, aptitude dist-upgrade suggests http://ubuntu.privatepaste.com/9cCwLeQg6x this
[06:36] <agoole> mphilpot: but you can still look for widgets
[06:36] <chx> and i do not like kubuntu-desktop being removed, not at all.
[06:36] <MushroomKingdom> Uh, is there something I should install for transparency?
[06:37] <mphilpot> right... the one I wanted (Oxygen system monitor) is only a .skz files
[06:37] <mphilpot> I'll try again after the first round of updates
[06:37] <agoole> chx: are you following the instructions online ?
[06:37] <mphilpot> Thanks though!
[06:37] <agoole> MushroomKingdom: what do you mean ?
[06:38] <MushroomKingdom> agoole: I would like to have a transparent konsole
[06:38] <MushroomKingdom> rather than the black
[06:38] <agoole> MushroomKingdom: sure, right click on the window
[06:38] <chx> agoole: i just search-replaced hardy to intreprid in apt.sources, ran aptitude update and tehn aptitude dist-upgrade. Pretty usual. But, i gues the KDE4 transition causes some gimmicks and I am not sure whether the removal of kdebase-kio-plugins leaves a functional system...
[06:39] <MushroomKingdom> ok
[06:39] <agoole> chx: let me look up some instructions
[06:39] <agoole> chx: you have hardy ? or intrepid ?
[06:39] <chx> hardy.
[06:39] <chx> want to go jaunty.
[06:39] <chx> but from what i read, the road goes through intreprid.
[06:39] <agoole> MushroomKingdom: right click on the window bar, and click window behavior, enable effects, and go from there
[06:40] <doleyb> chx: yeah you don't need kdebase-kio-plugins for 9.04
[06:40] <chx> I think I will go to sleep
[06:40] <chx> and let it download.
[06:40] <agoole> chx: haha, good idea,
[06:41] <agoole> chx: but yeah, you are doing the right thing
[06:41] <agoole> chx: just use adept manager
[06:41] <agoole> and it will guide you
[06:41] <chx> it wants to download 973MB in 1005 packages.
[06:41] <agoole> s'ok, because theres the new kde with it,
[06:41] <agoole> you're going from kde3 to kde4
[06:41] <chx> hm, 2mbyte/s says 8min.
[06:41] <Surlent777> hi, I'm using standard Ubuntu here, 8.10, wanting to upgrade to 9.04, but I love Amarok 1.4, and hate Amarok 2. If I go into Synaptic and tell it to force the version of Amarok and it's two engine packages, should I be ok when I upgrade, or is it likely to screw something up?
[06:41] <chx> i know
[06:41] <chx> that's why i skipped intreprid.
[06:41] <chx> :)
[06:41] <Ratchet_the_fox> what is the site for the 3rd party pakages again
[06:42] <MushroomKingdom> agoole: Failed to activate desktop effects using the given configuration options. Settings will be reverted to their previous values.
[06:42] <MushroomKingdom> Check your X configuration. You may also consider changing advanced options, especially changing the compositing type.
[06:42] <chx> Surlent777: huh, wha's the problem with amarok2?
[06:42] <chx> Surlent777: just asking, i am about to upgrde too
[06:42] <agoole> MushroomKingdom: haha, i'd love to help more, but its almost 3am, i need sleep, lol
[06:42] <Surlent777> chx: Lacking features, and horribly ugly UI (I tested the Kubuntu daily CD a few days a go to get a feel for it)
[06:43] <agoole> i agree, its pretty ugly,
[06:43] <MushroomKingdom> agoole: ok :) thank you for all your help
[06:43] <agoole> MushroomKingdom: no problem, anytime, glad you switched to linux :)
[06:43] <MushroomKingdom> :D
[06:43] <chx> agoole: is there a way to pre-download the jaunty packages while i am asleep or I can only do that once the dist-upgrade finished for intrerpid?
[06:43] <agoole> night all
[06:43] <MushroomKingdom> night
[06:43] <chx> night
[06:44] <Surlent777> I feel they should have just left the basic UI intact, and just oxygenated it a bit, or whatever, but I'm not a developer, and I don't really know why they did what they did...all I want for now is the fully-functional player I like, although I'll consider checking out the new version as it gets more developed
[06:44] <agoole> chx: I dont know, can you afford to do a clean isntall ?
[06:44] <chx> huuuuh
[06:44] <agoole> chx: can you backup your files and erase the whole drive and start from a clean install ?
[06:44] <chx> i guess i could save /var/www to /home
[06:44] <chx> agoole: i guess i could.
[06:45] <chx> agoole: cleaner, isnt it.
[06:45] <agoole> saving it to /home wouldn't actually save anything, after a format....
[06:45] <Surlent777> I really need to do a clean install someday...I've been using the same stuff since 6.06
[06:45] <chx> i am not formatting the drives, just .
[06:45] <chx> i am not formatting the drives, just /
[06:45] <agoole> chx: yes, because you're skipping, i'd suggest a clean install, if you have a external drive or something to backup your files
[06:45]  * chx counts his drives
[06:45] <Ratchet_the_fox> um i have a problem
[06:46] <chx> i have about a few... terabytes... in external disks.
[06:46] <agoole> chx: can you backup your files and then format and do a clean install ?
[06:46] <agoole> chx: if you can, then i recommend that,
[06:46] <chx> agoole: why i can't keep /home :) ?
[06:46] <Surlent777> but anyway, should I be fine if I just tell Synaptic to force the versions of amarok and it's two engine packages?
[06:46] <chx> agoole: that would save me a ton of trouble.
[06:46] <agoole> chx: if you don't want to, then follow the adept manager wizard
[06:46] <agoole> chx: you can, if you back it up onto another drive somewhere else
[06:47] <chx> thanks. and good night.
[06:47] <Ratchet_the_fox> i just upgraded to Juanty and i cant get Flash videos to play on youtube in firefox it says no drivers for them are installed but when i checked the restricted driveres are instaled
[06:47] <agoole> chx: because if you format your drive you'll loose everything, including /home
[06:47] <agoole> Ratchet_the_fox: the restricted drivers didn't work for me either, try installing the package from the adobe website
[06:47] <ryan-c> how do i list packages that are installed but not in the repositories?
[06:48] <agoole> ryan-c: aptitude search whatever
[06:48] <agoole> and the list with I
[06:48] <agoole> next to them are the installed ones
[06:48] <ryan-c> uh
[06:48] <Surlent777> ryan-c: In Synaptic you can go and hit the Origin button...maybe try looking for something similar in Adept?
[06:48] <ryan-c> Command line?
[06:48] <agoole> ryan-c: not familiar? then use the adept system
[06:49] <agoole> ok night all
[06:49] <agoole> exit
[06:49] <ryan-c> And I'm looking for a way to list all packages that are installed that are not in jaunty
[06:49] <Surlent777> should I be fine if I just tell Synaptic to force the versions of amarok and it's two engine packages?
[06:50] <Surlent777> or will this likely mess something up upon upgrading?
[06:52] <Ratchet_the_fox> yay that fixed it thanks :)
[06:52] <Surlent777> meh, screw it...I'll just do it
[06:52] <ibrar> How to upgrade 9.10beta to 9.10
[06:53] <lorecaster> while trying to install my brother 465cn drivers, i did the sudo dpkg  -i  --force-all  --force-architecture mfc465cnlpr-1.0.1-1.i386.deb command, but it says cannot create directory, no such file or director.
[06:53] <lorecaster> -tear-
[06:54] <MushroomKingdom> brb
[06:58] <ibrar> How to upgrade 9.10beta to 9.10
[06:59] <tsimpson> ibrar: just do a normal package update
[06:59] <tsimpson> !already
[07:00] <bvance> 9.04 issue-> eth0 doesn't show up in the control panel
[07:00] <bvance> the Wired Connections tab doesn't list any nics
[07:01] <johnnypea> hello, please what is an alternative for "gnome-vfs" in kubunut?
[07:11] <bvanhoorn> Hallo
[07:17] <ryan_> #irc.coldfront.net
[07:17] <ryan_> #yb
[07:31] <husayn> when i type    "sudo ifconfig eth0:1 <IP_ADDRESS> netmask <IP_ADDRESS> up"  i get an ip on the eth0:1 interface but when i restart the pc ..its gone
[07:31] <husayn> how to save this thing
[07:33] <kb9vqf> husayn: Look into the /etc/network/interfaces for manual configuration of network settings
[07:33] <husayn> means i need to edit a document file ?
[07:34] <robin0800> husayn: you need to tick the box that says connect automaticaly in the wired dialog
[07:34] <husayn> i have done that
[07:35] <husayn> how to assign metric to a specific interface ?
[07:35] <robin0800> husayn: thats lost on a reboot?
[07:36] <husayn> i was talking about 1 interface but i have 2 gateways having 2 different ip ... so i will make 2 interface , 1 physical and one subinterface so that i can connect to both networks
[07:36] <robin0800> husayn: you need settings/ networking
[07:36] <husayn> so i need to assign metric to 1st interface of 1 and second to 2 .. so how to assign metric
[07:37] <husayn> I am in etc/network/intefaces
[07:37] <husayn> i am edititing that file
[07:37] <robin0800> usr the gui
[07:38] <husayn> ok if i use the GUI.. tell me how to assign 2 ip on a inteface
[07:38] <husayn> like in windows i can by going to advance tab and then assign multiple ip and multiple gateways
[07:38] <husayn> i need to have 2 ip on my inteface  <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:40] <johnnypea> vfs
[07:40] <robin0800> use mabnual settig in gui
[07:41] <johnnypea> please how can I install GIO/GVFS
[07:41] <johnnypea>
[07:43] <Daskreech> johnnypea: gnomelibs
[07:43] <johnnypea> sry I meant KIO, I want it for kubuntu :)
[07:43] <lorecaster> i just ran sudo dpkg  -i  --force-all  --force-architecture  mfc465cnlpr-1.0.1-1.i386.deb and it says it cannot create directory -cries-
[07:44] <Daskreech> johnnypea: kdelibs
[07:45] <raylu> is there a way i can resize things on my panel?
[07:45] <johnnypea> Daskreech: I can just add throuhg "Add and Remove Software"?
[07:45] <Daskreech> raylu: For example ?
[07:46] <Daskreech> johnnypea: If you have KDE installed then you have KIO already
[07:47] <raylu> Daskreech: i'd take a screenshot, but i can't at the moment o.0
[07:47] <Daskreech> raylu: Jsut tell me what you want to resize
[07:47] <raylu> Daskreech: i have a vertical panel and i want the clock to be shorter
[07:47] <raylu> the ability to take screenshots would be nicer, though :D
[07:47] <johnnypea> Daskreech: aha , I just need some altarnative to "gnome-vfs" - maybe I am asking the wrong thing, sorry I am completly new to this
[07:48] <Daskreech> johnnypea: No you are correct. What do you need?
[07:48] <Daskreech> raylu: ksnapshot
[07:48] <lorecaster> anyone? printers? anyone?
[07:48] <Daskreech> If you have the pastebin plasmoid up just drag the screenshot there
[07:48] <Daskreech> !printer
[07:49] <selcuk> hi
[07:49] <lorecaster> i understand that, but i'm having some technical difficulties who's answer i cannot find in there... it appears to be an access error
[07:49] <raylu> Daskreech: nice, thanks
[07:49] <Daskreech> lorecaster: What's the error?
[07:49] <lorecaster> mkdir: cannot create directory `/var/spool/lpd/mfc465cn': No such file or directory
[07:50] <Daskreech> raylu: If you have the pastebin plasmoid it auto uploads it to a Imagepastebin and then copies the URL for the image into the clipboard
[07:50] <johnnypea> Daskreech: I would like to use Bluefish http://bluefish.openoffice.nl/features.html feature to edit files right from FTP and I read there I need something like that
[07:50] <Daskreech> lorecaster: that happens when you do what?
[07:51] <Daskreech> Bluefish is neither Gnome nor KDE I'm not sure how they would handle it
[07:51] <lorecaster> sudo dpkg  -i  --force-all  --force-architecture  mfc465cnlpr-1.0.1-1.i386.deb
[07:51] <tbr281> How do i downgrade to 8.10 from 9.04?
[07:51] <johnnypea> Daskreech: "Support for remote files using gnome-vfs (depending on your gnome-vfs setup, you'll have FTP, SFTP, HTTP, HTTPS, WebDAV, Samba and more). The development version uses GIO/GVFS to open remote files."
[07:52] <Daskreech> tbr281: painfully
[07:52] <lorecaster> (giggle @ dask)
[07:52] <Daskreech> lorecaster: That's a lot of force where did you get the deb ?
[07:52] <lorecaster> from the brother website
[07:52] <Daskreech> johnnypea: Then you need GVFS :-)
[07:53] <lorecaster> http://solutions.brother.com/linux/en_us/instruction_prn1a.html
[07:53] <nixternal> lorecaster: which version of Kubuntu?
[07:53] <Daskreech> johnnypea: You will need the development versionit seems
[07:53] <lorecaster> ubuntu 9.04
[07:53] <nixternal> that driver has been replaced as the mfc465 has been obsoleted
[07:54] <nixternal> lorecaster: sudo apt-get install brother-lpr-drivers-extra
[07:54] <lorecaster> i bought mine brand new 3 months ago :P it's an awesome printer
[07:54] <lorecaster> shame on them!
[07:54] <lorecaster> thanks nix
[07:54] <nixternal> hehe, no prob :)
[07:54] <lorecaster> running
[07:54] <lorecaster> will let you know when it finishes it's thing
[07:55] <johnnypea> Daskreech: yes I have Bluefish SVN but when I am searching for GVFS there is lot of them
[07:55] <silver_swords> lorecaster:  there are drivers at their website
[07:55] <nixternal> thanks, if that doesn't work then we need to file a boog, but iirc, it does work as a friend of mine may have had that same brother printer
[07:56] <lorecaster> silver: i've got the drivers... but the site said this was the proper process for linux. am i reading the wrong material?
[07:56] <Daskreech> johnnypea: Searching for them? what are you looking for? YOu should just be able to open a FTP link once you have the Gnome libs instaleld
[07:56] <rubso> hi guys
[07:56] <Daskreech> nixternal: Which package would have GIO support ?
[07:56] <nixternal> hahahahahahahaha
[07:56] <raylu> Daskreech: http://foor.res.cmu.edu/f/snapshot1.png
[07:56] <Daskreech> !hi | rubso
[07:56] <johnnypea> Daskreech: i dont know which one I should install
[07:57] <rubso> i just installed kubuntu 9.04 on my netbook, then i tried to activate my wifi driver through System > Hardware Drivers. but nothing happens when i click on Activate.
[07:57] <Daskreech> raylu: eww yeah that's kinda icky
[07:57] <rubso> and it says "This driver is not activated"
[07:57] <raylu> Daskreech: in gnome, it displays the clock sideways, which is worse :P
[07:57] <raylu> at least i can read it now
[07:57] <silver_swords> i dont know really.. but i do know this, they are a mess. my sister has one and it took her ages to giggure it out.
[07:57] <johnnypea> Daskreech: gvfs-1.2.2..."userspace virtual-system...could it be it?
[07:57] <Daskreech> Yeah Gnome is kinky for side panels
[07:58] <silver_swords> figgure
[07:58] <lorecaster> Debian 64 bit version, Ubuntu 64 bit version.... ia32-libs or lib32stdc++ is required to be installed.
[07:58] <Daskreech> johnnypea: Sounds good :)
[07:58] <Daskreech> !info gvfs
[07:59] <nixternal> Daskreech: GIO looks to be served via GLib
[07:59] <Daskreech> !info glib
[07:59] <lorecaster> even after me installing restricted extras, i still cannot play some of my music :(
[08:00] <Daskreech> Which music?
[08:00] <lorecaster> MP3's
[08:00] <lorecaster> mostly techno and folk ;)
[08:00] <Daskreech> you installed libxine1-ffmpeg ?
[08:00] <Daskreech> Oh Techno
[08:00] <Daskreech> Yeah that's probably why it won't play
[08:00] <lorecaster> (heart) techno
[08:01]  * Daskreech ducks
[08:01] <lorecaster> everyone's entitled to thier opinions dask, as long as they coincide with mine.
[08:01] <Daskreech> As long as it's black
[08:02] <lorecaster> black techno?
[08:02] <lorecaster> sounds harsh :P
[08:03] <Daskreech> Henry Ford reference
[08:03] <Daskreech> Though I guess a George Bush Reference would be even more obskure :)
[08:03] <lorecaster> before my time perhaps? my fiance says i still have 'that new car smell'
[08:04] <raylu> so, my current annoyances are the height of items on my vertical panel and the login/logout sound
[08:05] <Daskreech> change the login sound?
[08:06] <robin0800> raylu: you can resize icons and change or remove sound events
[08:06] <Daskreech> It's not an icon :)
[08:07] <robin0800> Daskreech: resize panel?
[08:07] <lorecaster> \/\/00+!!! pwn giggity! printer works! scratch item 151 off today's glitchlist!!!
[08:07] <Daskreech> Yeah but that's more funky than it needs to be
[08:08] <Daskreech> I'd replace it with a Analog clock personally :)
[08:08] <faileas> lol
[08:08] <faileas> i use the fuzzy one
[08:08] <Daskreech> I used to till the banned it at work
[08:09] <faileas> aww
[08:09] <faileas> why?
[08:09] <Daskreech> Cause they would ask the time and I'd tell them
[08:10] <raylu> robin0800: not icons, panel widgets
[08:10] <lorecaster> you're mean spirited, dask ;) don't ever change
[08:10] <raylu> robin0800: but where would i remove sound events?
[08:12] <jtmoney> hey guys, started playing with an old laptop today... i previously added a PPA for experimental KDE packages, and have since removed it... how do i get back to the official kde packages? i'm still on intrepid
[08:13] <rubso> oh god kubuntu is driving me crazy
[08:13] <Daskreech> jtmoney: remove KDE and reinstall?
[08:13] <rubso> i just activated the driver
[08:13] <rubso> and the wireless is not showing in Network Manager
[08:13] <rubso> somebody help before i commit suicide
[08:13] <lorecaster> is there any way to create a system monitor widget? panel button? etc?
[08:13] <jtmoney> Daskreech: would apt-get install --reintsall kubuntu-desktop work?
[08:14] <jtmoney> rubso, try installing wicd
[08:14] <lorecaster> patience rubso... it's a rocky road, but after 3 weeks, i'm glad i made the change from windoze
[08:14] <jtmoney> forget the kde networkmanager plasmoid, forget knetworkmanager
[08:14] <jtmoney> sudo apt-get install wicd
[08:14] <rubso> ok i'll check wicd
[08:14] <jtmoney> it even has a pretty little tray icon
[08:14] <faileas> lorecaster: eheh. took me... 3 years ;p
[08:15] <lorecaster> :| eep
[08:15] <faileas> lorecaster: took me a while to find a distro that worked for me ;p
[08:15] <Daskreech> rubso: Is it a hidden network?
[08:15] <rubso> no
[08:15] <Daskreech> jtmoney: no
[08:15] <lorecaster> i did a search "which distro is right for me" and on 3 different tests, ubuntu came out on top... and ehre i am :D
[08:16] <lorecaster> never looked back
[08:16] <jtmoney> Daskreech: how should i remove and reintsall kde then?
[08:16] <Daskreech> rubso: Strange should turn up
[08:16] <rubso> Daskreech: I installed Kubuntu, It was there in Network Manager "wlan0" then i activated atheros driver and restarted the machine. now "wlan0" won't show.
[08:16] <jtmoney> ohh
[08:16] <jtmoney> one sec, rubso
[08:16] <rubso> ok
[08:16] <jtmoney> try this
[08:17] <jtmoney> konsole, sudo -s, then type: wlanconfig ath0 create wlandev wifi0 wlanmode sta
[08:17] <jtmoney> atheros/madwifi is weird
[08:17] <rubso> wlanconfig is not installed
[08:18] <jtmoney> hmm, i think you need the package "madwifi-utils" or similar
[08:18] <SandGorgon> resuming after suspend-to-RAM should lock screen - this is a security problem
[08:18] <rubso> ok
[08:18] <jtmoney> seriously though, check out wicd... MUCH easier
[08:18] <rubso> install madwifi tools atm
[08:19] <rubso> jtmoney: it says, wlanconfig: ioctl: No such device
[08:20] <jtmoney> type ifconfig
[08:20] <jtmoney> which devices do you have?
[08:21] <rubso> well, it's installing wicd atm.
[08:21] <jtmoney> heh, good man
[08:21] <rubso> didn't know that wicd will replace default network manager :/
[08:21] <jtmoney> you want it to
[08:21] <jtmoney> knetworkmanager is flaky
[08:21] <jtmoney> at least it has been for me
[08:21] <jtmoney> and the plasmoid that comes with jaunty is absolute garbage
[08:22] <Daskreech> It is flaky that's why there is the new plasmoid which is a different flake
[08:22] <jtmoney> yeah, the plasmoid does not work with WPA2 encryption for me
[08:22] <Daskreech> It should
[08:22] <Daskreech> Supports NM 0.7
[08:22] <jtmoney> well, i put the same shared secret in wicd and the plasmoid... one connected, the other crapped out
[08:22] <rubso> jtmoney: installed wicd, it says: No Wireless networks found.
[08:23] <jtmoney> shit man
[08:23] <Daskreech> !ohmy
[08:23] <jtmoney> :-X
[08:23] <jtmoney> rubso: start, settings, hardware drivers
[08:23] <jtmoney> check that the atheros driver is enabled
[08:23] <rubso> jtmoney: I swear wlan0 was there when i installed kubuntu.
[08:23] <rubso> ok
[08:23] <jtmoney> next step is compiling it from the latest SVN which is really easy
[08:24] <Daskreech> Yeah some hardware is just crazy to get working in Linux
[08:24] <rubso> jtmoney: It's activated. "This driver is activated and currently in use"
[08:24] <jtmoney> very odd
[08:24] <jtmoney> let me give you a doc
[08:25] <rubso> ok
[08:25] <jtmoney> do you have a 5k model?
[08:25] <jtmoney> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Atheros
[08:25] <rubso> yeah, i think so.
[08:26] <jtmoney> looks like it's a known bug then
[08:27] <jtmoney> sorry mang
[08:27] <jtmoney> but that link should provide a solution
[08:27] <jtmoney> if that does not work, you might want to get the latest version of madwifi (sort of like the driver for atheros chips)... here's the guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Madwifi#Compile%20Newer%20Driver
[08:29] <rubso> jtmoney: thanks for help. I'll check them out right now!
[08:30] <jtmoney> np man, good luck
[08:30] <rubso> oh lol. it won't reboot. blank screen with a mouse cursor.
[08:30] <burbuja> I confirm
[08:30] <burbuja> the same yesterday from liveCD
[08:31] <jtmoney> :-X
[08:31] <lorecaster> need a little help with my graphics drivers before i can continue my autocad install in wine...
[08:31] <lorecaster> http://pastebin.com/mf411229
[08:31] <easyfit_> I upgraded my laptop from 8.10 to 9.04 yesterday and unfortunately 9.04 is extremely unstable for me, it's basically not usable, so what do you think is the best bet, should I just give it a couple of days and hope for the developers to get some new updates out which will hopefully fix the issues, or should I make a clean install of 9.04 and hope that works better, or should I revert to 8.10 for the time being?
[08:32] <jtmoney> easyfit_: i'm going through the same... that's not an easy answer, but i'm willing to bet that many of these issues will not be fixed within a few days
[08:33] <jtmoney> easyfit_: i think it's 9.04 itself, so reverting to 8.10 is probably a good idea
[08:33] <burbuja> :O
[08:33] <easyfit_> jtmoney, yeah that's what I'm thinking as well... so I guess I'll go back to 8.10 for now...
[08:33] <rubso> jtmoney: does Ubuntu have better driver support than kubuntu?
[08:34] <easyfit_> kind of sucks to have to reinstall it and lose all my settings and stuff, but I guess I got myself to blame for being so quick to upgrade... I just never learn :)
[08:34] <jtmoney> rubso: they're pretty much the same
[08:34] <jtmoney> easyfit_: heh, yeah... i know man
[08:34] <rubso> jtmoney: my netbook won't use linux forever then . :(
[08:35] <burbuja> Sorry, I just came. So .... is the installation recommandable? Probably not, if I understand it correctly
[08:35] <jtmoney> rubso: what kind of network?
[08:35] <jtmoney> err *notebook
[08:35] <rubso> jtmoney: acer aspire one.
[08:36] <mahmood> hello
[08:37] <jtmoney> true, i just got an hp mini 1030nr in the mail yesterday
[08:37] <jtmoney> trying to get sound working
[08:37] <jtmoney> worked in 8.10, apparently, but not 9.04 :-X
[08:40] <jtmoney> burbuja: just saw your message... if you have a desktop, you'll prob be fine
[08:40] <jtmoney> lots of wireless and audio problems for notebooks frmo what i can tell
[08:40] <burbuja> jtmoney: thanks for answer and the restart issue?
[08:41] <burbuja> is it common, known one?
[08:41] <jtmoney> ohh, what rubjo had?
[08:42] <raylu> so, how do i get rid of the login/logoff sounds?
[08:42] <burbuja> well I am not sure, if I saw all of his lines
[08:42] <burbuja> I tryed to restart from liveCD
[08:42] <burbuja> the result was black screen with mouse pointer
[08:43] <burbuja> I had to push reset-button
[08:44] <jtmoney> hmm, generally no
[08:44] <jtmoney> what type of video card?
[08:44] <burbuja> radeon
[08:44] <jtmoney> uh oh
[08:44] <burbuja> ATI 9600
[08:44] <jtmoney> one sec
[08:45] <jtmoney> http://mebentley.blogspot.com/2009/03/upgrading-to-jaunty-kill-fglrx.html
[08:45] <jtmoney> familiar with ubuntu/fglrx at all?
[08:46] <jtmoney> whoops, wrong link: http://www.rojtberg.net/212/no-fglrx-for-jaunty/
[08:46] <jtmoney> either way, hopefully jaunty is intelligent enough to know whether to install xorg-driver-ati (free, open-source) or whatever it is vs. fglrx (binary from ati)
[08:47] <jtmoney> but if you did a proper install, i'm sure it would be easy to fix, if even necessary