[01:24] <average_guy> Hello all o/
[01:37] <JackFrost> Heya!
[01:45] <average_guy> it's been a while since I lurked in this group.  I am in Harriman near Oak Ridge. Hope everyone is happy and healthy.
[01:46] <JackFrost> ...I'd be happier if it were colder? :3  But, you'll perhaps remember me as Unit193.
[01:47] <average_guy> I do remeber you my friend.  you were heavy into lubuntu I believe
[01:49] <JackFrost> To some extent, both Lubuntu and Xubuntu at the time.  I'd since moved on to Xubuntu fully, then Debian proper.
[01:50] <JackFrost> (I still help out on the Ubuntu side, specifically a lot with Xubuntu.)
[01:56] <average_guy> That is super cool man.  I've been turned to the Windows side of the force but here I am back playing with ubuntu, in azure for now
[01:57] <JackFrost> While Win 10 really isn't for me, whatever works best for you. :)
[02:05] <average_guy> I used to say that about Windows.  Powershell destroys Bash
[02:10] <average_guy> I hear rumor of a Microsoft full liunx distro coming
[02:11] <JackFrost> I mean honestly, that wouldn't surprise me...
[02:47] <JackFrost> average_guy: So only using Ubuntu/Linux on servers now?
[03:04] <average_guy> I am also playing with the windows subsystem for linux.  I really just miss playing with linux and dont have any hardware to put it on
[03:04] <average_guy> on a surface tablet
[03:08] <average_guy> that I bought for my daughter to do art.  she completely uninterested... xbox
[03:08] <average_guy> I just a bored guy hidin my house tryin not to get the rona
[03:11] <average_guy> I have no actual "use" for ubuntu server.  just screwin around
[03:12] <average_guy> i like learning stuff
[03:17] <JackFrost> Fair.  If I may, how old is this offspring?  I can most certainly understand a complete lack of interest in art though. :>
[03:17] <average_guy> she 13 and diggin online school
[03:18] <JackFrost> Really?  I couldn't imagine liking that.
[03:20] <average_guy> she can knock out a whole day in 4hrs layin in bed with Naruto on
[03:21] <average_guy> you have any little ones?
[03:28] <JackFrost> Thankfully no. :3
[03:28] <JackFrost> My sister had her first kid in 2020 though, and my cousin his first the year before.
[03:29] <average_guy> I see. your time will come muhahah
[03:31] <average_guy> I've got kids out of college.  between the wife and I we have 7.  this the last one out the house
[03:36] <JackFrost> Wow, OK.  And nah, or maybe I guess, but not for a long time yet.  Not even married.
[16:16] <ZachGibbens> wb average_guy
[16:17] <ZachGibbens> Azure is a good way to play. I use Linux on my laptop but I'm more of a server guy so it fits.
[16:21] <ZachGibbens> I'm not all that into Powershell, it's a major upgrade from the more limited DOS Command Prompt with a few Windows tools like netsh sprinkled on (but I've been such a heavy bash, dash and zsh user, I don't feel that powershell does more than match here. Maybe that's cause it's still like apples and oranges to me)
[16:23] <ZachGibbens> Not sure what username you saw me have last time (guessing cyberanger) I was located in Cleveland, TN (Moved to Halifax, Nova Scotia this year, less Rona here)
[17:00] <average_guy> Hello ZachGibbens.  I do remember you as cyberranger.  I remember that you'd moved somewhere far.  Canada, burr
[17:00] <average_guy> I remember you being pretty pro with linux also
[17:03] <ZachGibbens> It's not that bad (unfotunately, we've got it a little too mild here for my liking. Might even be milder than most of the US on average honestly)
[17:05] <average_guy> is that the french speaking part?
[17:08] <average_guy> Is that even a thing? I feel like id read parts of e canada the language was heavily influnced by french like louisiana
[17:19] <ZachGibbens> Where I am, there are Acadian areas (French Settlers that have been here since before the French and Indian War) but it's not really in Halifax.
[17:21] <ZachGibbens> I spent Christmas about a 4 hour drive east-northeast in Chéticamp, which is a large Acadian region, but it's fueled by tourism from the US and the rest of Canada that you really can't feel it.
[17:24] <ZachGibbens> Quebec is the most heavily French area in Canada, and even then if your just passing through it's not really a problem. I drove from Toronto to Montreal, had Mexican food at a local place (That was a bit wierd to me, hearing French from the other customers, Spanish from the staff and my GF and I speaking English, our Hostess and Waitress speaking all three perfectly)
[17:26] <ZachGibbens> From Montreal to Quebec City I was helping my GF (well, just friends back then) move, so the rented Prius was full and overweight, we stopped so I could check it out. I was asking for help at a gas station in between and google translate helped but nobody really knew what to suggest (language barrier didn't help, but wasn't really the issue. Everything had closed by then in the area, didn't
[17:26] <ZachGibbens> find that out until later)
[17:28] <ZachGibbens> Anyway, we kept going. (It was clear to me that the shocks just couldn't handle it on bumps and bridges but otherwise we were fine) We stayed in St Foy area of Quebec City for the night, an anglophone area & went to the tourist part of downtown too.
[17:32] <ZachGibbens> After that we had a bit of an expirence with Avis switching to a minivan, the staff were from Dominica, and used to a French Creole. Found out later that I didn't have paperwork on the van, I don't know how I got back across the border to the US with it, had to deal with a little hell from Avis Loss Prevention too, worked out in the end.
[17:38] <ZachGibbens> Last part of the story, we stopped at a seafood place in Edmundston, NB called The Pirate. I knew this was a Francophone area based off the stop signs, clearly a stop sign but instead of Stop, it's Arret. Also Rue for Road etc. but The staff greeted us in English, Menu was English for what I recall, I found out later that about 95% of the town was French only. I guess that restraunt was a
[17:38] <ZachGibbens> known tourist stop (but we didn't plan it, dumb luck)
[17:38] <ZachGibbens> Anyway, sorry. I never tire from that story.
[18:54] <average_guy> wow
[18:54] <average_guy> literally an epic journey
[18:55] <average_guy> I can barely speak english so I would have been lost
[23:17] <ZachGibbens> All I knew was English too (I know more now, but it isn't really enough to help)


[01:29] <Unit193> Eh, considering this is the Ohio channel, may as well mention it.  If you use Ohiolink: http://sigma.unit193.net/plugins/ohiolink.xml and if you use OSU: http://sigma.unit193.net/plugins/osu.xml
[01:49] <starrats> hello everyone
[01:51] <Unit193> Howdy.
[01:54] <belkinsa> Welcome back, starrats.
[01:54] <starrats> thank you, been on the comp but elsewhere, looking for a good and free partition tool
[01:55] <belkinsa> For Windows?  or Linux?
[01:55] <starrats> I'm not going to let myself or windows beat me, lol
[01:55] <Unit193> Winders has one built in, not sure how good it is.  Normally, I just use gparted.
[01:56] <starrats> well I would have tro use windows due to the fact I would be leary of using it on VB
[01:56] <belkinsa> Can you burn a Ultimate Boot CD for Windows?
[01:56] <belkinsa> http://www.ubcd4win.com/
[01:56] <starrats> don't know belkinsa
[01:56] <jenni> [ UBCD for Windows ] - https://j.mp/1mYTeWG
[01:57] <belkinsa> If you can, I know it has tools for what you need to do.
[01:57] <starrats> and I did download gparted on here meaning VB but can't seem to find it, lol
[01:57] <belkinsa> Isn't gparted pre-installed?
[01:59] <starrats> no it's not belkinsa or I can't find it and I have gone thru the apps
[01:59] <Unit193> Live only.
[01:59] <belkinsa> Oh.
[01:59] <starrats> it's cool I'll find it soon
[01:59] <belkinsa> Did you apt-get install gparted
[02:03] <starrats> I tried that I believe
[02:05] <starrats> says Ive installed it
[02:13] <belkinsa> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GParted
[02:13] <jenni> [ GParted - Community Ubuntu Documentation ] - https://j.mp/1mYX6ak
[02:13] <belkinsa> "However, managing partitions on your hard drive intrinsically changes your hard drive. If you accidentally change the partition of the OS to which you have installed the package, you might corrupt your hard drive and your system might become unusable. It is always best to have a GParted LiveCD available for emergencies. "
[02:16] <starrats> this is true belkinsa I have used gparted in the past, like I have said I'm a little rusty on things of this nature, I bookmarked it and will the reading and then I have to get to the store and buy more dvd's
[02:17] <starrats> I bought a pack of 10 and 4 were bad, lol
[02:18] <starrats> and the other 6 have stuff on them, I just bought dvd-r and not dvdrw
[02:19] <starrats> been thinking also to buy an ext hd or a thumbdrive to download and install from
[02:19] <starrats> but I have to wait until beginning of February to get my pension
[11:16] <starrats> good morning everyone
[11:34] <starrats> .wx 44240
[11:34] <jenni> Cover: Clear ☼, Temp: 3.2°F (-16.0°C), Dew Point: -2.2°F (-19.0°C), Windchill: -12.3°F (-24.6°C), Pressure: 29.76in (1004.95mb), Wind: Gentle breeze 9.0kt (↑) - KAKR, 10:54Z
[16:46] <starrats> good morning again everyone!
[19:36] <starrats> good afternoon everyone!
[19:37] <Unit193> Howdy.
[19:39] <starrats> hello  unit193
[19:43] <starrats> sorry GF had a comp. prob I had to take care of
[21:23] <starrats> I'm back, I hope, lol
[22:02] <starrats> good evening belkinsa
[22:15] <belkinsa> Hey there, starrats.
[22:16] <belkinsa> Hey there, starrats.  How are you?
[22:18] <starrats> I'm doing okay how are you?
[22:19]  * starrats is getting hungry, some hot soup for supper tonight
[22:19] <belkinsa> I'm trying to get work done for tomorrow.
[22:19] <starrats> ah okay
[22:19] <belkinsa> More like a bunch is due at 11:59 PM.
[22:19] <starrats> is this for the group or where you work on the job.
[22:20] <belkinsa> No, school.  I'm a biology major and I should of stated that last night or whenever i said it.
[22:22] <starrats> ah cool
[22:23] <starrats> any specialty or just biology in general?
[22:24] <belkinsa> Molecular Biology.  I want to do something with DNA and maybe microbes.
[22:24] <starrats> Awesome!
[22:25] <belkinsa> But I also want to tie in my hobby (the FOSS/Ubuntu Linux) skills that I have gained.
[22:26] <belkinsa> If I didn't show you this before: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/belkinsa That's who I am in the Ubuntu Community.
[22:26] <starrats> well maybe you'll write a program that will benefit your field of science
[22:26] <jenni> [ belkinsa - Ubuntu Wiki ] - https://j.mp/1eqs1VA
[22:26] <belkinsa> If I knew how to code.
[22:27] <belkinsa> Most of my skills are MoinMoin wiki work and just community work trying to make a community to grow.
[22:27] <belkinsa> And wordpress skills.
[22:28] <starrats> nice resume
[22:28] <belkinsa> Thanks.
[22:30] <starrats> if you want to learn code writing on my channel, if you remember the nick 'netdaemon' and on the #tuxhacker channel there quite a few folks that write code for a living
[22:30] <belkinsa> Thanks.
[22:32] <starrats> especially on the #tuxhacker channel, you can learn a lot that's where I get a lot of my ?'s answered
[22:34] <starrats> bbl time for some dinner.
[23:57] <starrats> good evening everyone!


[21:09] <AlanBell> http://ubuntuaccessibility.wordpress.com/2012/06/10/the-year-of-gnome-accessibility/


[08:08] <dholbach> good morning
[13:55] <etneg_> hey kenvandine
[13:55] <etneg_> morning
[13:55] <etneg_> wow lot of feedback
[13:56] <MrChrisDruif> On what etneg_ ?
[13:56] <etneg_> oh gwibber logo
[13:56] <MrChrisDruif> Ah, that ^_^
[13:58] <kenvandine> etneg_, oh... i just noticed OMG picked it up :)
[13:58] <etneg_> kenvandine: ye
[13:58] <etneg_> lot oftrolling going on there
[13:59] <etneg_> kenvandine: people are beginning to think the "logo" is the icon
[13:59] <etneg_> i didnt do a version for the logo
[13:59] <etneg_> heh
[13:59] <etneg_> oops correction
[13:59] <kenvandine> :)
[13:59] <etneg_> i didnt do a version for the icon
[14:00] <etneg_> as an icon the logo would have to be brought down a bit,some elements removed
[14:02] <etneg_> but thats pretty sweet, lot of feedback
[14:03] <etneg_> kenvandine: based on what's going on now, do you want revisions or new concepts?
[14:05] <kenvandine> etneg_, it would be nice to also include icon versions based on the logo
[14:05] <etneg_> yeh i'll do that now
[14:06] <kenvandine> as for revisions, if you want to update the existing concepts lets make them like 1.1 , 1.2, etc
[14:06] <kenvandine> so they can gather feedback separately from the original
[14:07] <etneg_> i didnt get you, sorry
[14:07] <etneg_> i label it 1.1 and 1.2 and so on ?
[14:09] <kenvandine> yes
[14:09] <kenvandine> with separate space for feedback
[14:10] <kenvandine> etneg_, you can just post them right on the wiki page
[14:10] <etneg_> ok
[14:10] <kenvandine> so put concept 1.1 under the feedback section of concept 1 and add a heading and empty bullet line for feedback
[14:12] <etneg_> ok
[14:13] <MrChrisDruif> What are the differences between the logo and the icon? =/
[14:15] <etneg_> well sometimes if the logo is "busy" you tone it down for the icon
[14:15] <etneg_> icons are kept simpler
[14:15] <etneg_> you just pull out the key elements that make up the logo for the icon and you're done
[14:15] <etneg_> atleast that's what i usually do
[14:16] <MrChrisDruif> True
[14:17] <MrChrisDruif> But busy logo are wrong in the first place ;-)
[14:18] <MrChrisDruif> However, sometimes/most of the time "logo's" include the name in a certain font
[14:20] <etneg_> wordmark?
[14:20] <etneg_> some use wordmarks and some dont
[14:21] <etneg_> depends on the client's taste really
[14:23] <MrChrisDruif> Wordmarks?
[14:24] <kenvandine> i really prefer not having the name in the logo
[14:24] <MrChrisDruif> I've heard once that the Dutch were experts in the use of fonts etc back in the 1900's
[14:24] <etneg_> kenvandine: really?
[14:24] <kenvandine> personally, i prefer logos that are recognizable without that
[14:24] <MrChrisDruif> Indeed
[14:24] <kenvandine> etneg_, like on the website we would have the name in the header next to or below the logo
[14:25] <etneg_> right
[14:25] <kenvandine> but the logo should represent the spirit of the app, not the name of the app
[14:25] <MrChrisDruif> kenvandine; I agree
[14:25] <etneg_> did you mean no text in the icon ?
[14:25] <MrChrisDruif> Or company!
[14:25] <kenvandine> etneg_, yeah... no text in the icon for sure
[14:25] <kenvandine> but even for the logo
[14:25] <etneg_> oh ok
[14:25] <kenvandine> don't make the name part of the logo
[14:25] <etneg_> for the icon i just toned it up a bit
[14:26] <kenvandine> cool
[14:26] <MrChrisDruif> kenvandine; depends on the situation I'd say
[14:26] <etneg_> no text and the smiley glass faces are not visible there
[14:26] <MrChrisDruif> I should reinstall this PC...or remove all the cruft from things I don't use
[14:26] <kenvandine> etneg_, personally i really love concept 1
[14:26] <MrChrisDruif> It's a bit slow
[14:27] <etneg_> kenvandine: if you want to keep the logo without text, no issues there but just seeing a logo without a name on it is almostlike faceless
[14:27] <etneg_> you know what i mean
[14:27] <etneg_> if im someone who doesnt know nothing about gwibber, and im looking at a gwibber logo on some ref page along with twitter and the rest, it doesnt tell you
[14:27] <kenvandine> that is why in places like the header of a website you would put the name near it, for identity purposes
[14:27] <etneg_> what if someone used the gwibber logo on their page?
[14:28] <etneg_> without a name you cant tell
[14:28] <etneg_> you're talking about using it on the gwibber.com page which is fine
[14:28] <kenvandine> in that case we should probably have a horizontal version with the name next to it
[14:28] <kenvandine> and some branding guidelines
[14:28] <kenvandine> for use
[14:28] <etneg_> oh ye
[14:29] <etneg_> i could remove the text and for those wanting to use it on their page or something, we could have one with the name on it i suppose?
[14:30] <etneg_> have you seen the (RED) logo concepts?if you got the time, take a look at it
[14:30] <etneg_> it's an interesting way to have people use your logo and incorporate their product logo into it wthout killing the aesthetics of the key product logo
[14:32] <MrChrisDruif> etneg_; I'm not catching your drift?
[14:33] <etneg_> http://www.joinred.com/red/#shopred
[14:33] <etneg_> ^^
[14:33] <etneg_> key product logo (RED)
[14:33] <etneg_> on that page other products trying to collaborate with it
[14:34] <etneg_> (CocaCola)^red. Cocacola has kept their logo there and supports red but they key element there is still the red logo because of the curved brackets
[14:35] <etneg_> so if i took " MrChrisDruif " and put it in a red bracket as ( MrChrisDruif )^red, it'll instantly hit me that you're part of the red foundation
[14:36] <MrChrisDruif> Ghehe ^_^
[14:36] <etneg_> nice concept eh?
[14:36] <etneg_> heh
[14:37] <MrChrisDruif> Ah, and IT is for/against AIDS
[14:37] <etneg_> ye
[14:38] <MrChrisDruif> Awesome
[14:39] <etneg_> the logo belongs to U2
[14:40] <etneg_> it's unlikely one of us could get away with that bracket + RED as a logo without someone suing our ass for some sort of trademark infringement
[14:40] <etneg_> i bet he must have paid quite a sum to get by that, just my 2 cents assumption
[14:44] <MrChrisDruif> etneg_; /s/red/blue ;-)
[14:45] <etneg_> heh gl
[14:45] <MrChrisDruif> jk
[14:51] <etneg_> ok just uploaded 1.1 icon version
[15:05] <etneg_> kenvandine: if you have another concept in mind i could do one now
[15:05] <etneg_> something different to concept 1 or 2
[15:07] <kenvandine> etneg_, nothing now... but if you have ideas :)
[15:07] <etneg_> i do, but if you have one, i could work on that first
[15:07] <etneg_> :D
[15:07] <etneg_> but ok
[21:00] <etneg_> kenvandine: ping
[21:01] <SirLinux`> Hello
[21:02] <kenvandine> etneg_, pong
[21:02] <etneg_> kenvandine: http://i41.tinypic.com/t0rhio.png
[21:02] <etneg_> didnt put it on the wiki yet, but your thoughts
[21:03] <kenvandine> etneg_, sorry, i don't get the concept.  a book with a page turned?
[21:04] <etneg_> ye
[21:04] <kenvandine> it's nice looking, but i don't see it as being "social"
[21:04] <etneg_> blogging as in writing down in a diary
[21:05] <etneg_> oh the social part i didnt convey in this
[21:05] <kenvandine> etneg_, sorry...  yeah concept is a bit of imho
[21:06] <SirLinux`> what image size we should use for the wallpapers ?
[21:07] <etneg_> kenvandine: ok
[21:07] <SirLinux`> for the  Precise Pangolin wallpaper submissions
[21:07] <etneg_> do you want me to modify it to add  social element
[21:07] <etneg_> ?
[21:08] <etneg_> or i could work on another concept
[21:08] <kenvandine> etneg_, something else
[21:08] <kenvandine> thx though
[21:08] <etneg_> ok np
[21:08] <kenvandine> etneg_, i still love concept 1 :)
[21:08] <etneg_> okLD
[21:08] <etneg_> do you want to modify concept 1 ?
[21:09] <kenvandine> etneg_, it is up to you, if you want to take some of the feedback and make some revisions
[21:09] <kenvandine> that would be cool
[21:09] <etneg_> well i did a revision for the icon part
[21:09] <etneg_> removed the faces for the icon
[21:09] <etneg_> i'll see what i can come up with
[21:11] <kenvandine> etneg_, thx
[21:12] <etneg_> np
[21:28] <thorwil> SirLinux`: aiming at 2650 x 1600 allows use on any common monitor
[21:30] <thorwil> SirLinux`: you might want to take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Documentation/Backgrounds#Templates
[21:37] <etneg_> kenvandine: http://i43.tinypic.com/mald1w.png
[21:37] <etneg_> i havent colored it or prettified it, the concept ok?
[22:35] <etneg_> kenvandine: ping
[22:58] <SirLinux`> made it 1920x1080
[22:58] <SirLinux`> http://www.flickr.com/photos/33589237@N00/6853434887/in/pool-1860176@N24/lightbox/
[22:58] <etneg_> what is that?
[22:58] <etneg_> using blender?
[22:59] <SirLinux`> excuse me ?
[23:00] <MrChrisDruif> What did you use to create that SirLinux` is what etneg_ meant
[23:00] <SirLinux`> oh .. i used cinema 4d.
[23:00] <MrChrisDruif> So a reference to the old colouring scheme?
[23:01] <SirLinux`> yeah and a 3d logo :)
[23:02] <MrChrisDruif> Ghehe
[23:03] <etneg_> ah cinema 4d
[23:04] <etneg_> like what 20 mins work i bet
[23:04] <etneg_> if i had to vectorise that sucker, well atleast an hr
[23:06] <MrChrisDruif> etneg_; "sucker" might not be a very friendly word for it, maybe you could try "piece of work" next time? ^_^ Just sayin' ^_^
[23:07] <etneg_> oh right ok
[23:07] <etneg_> :D
[23:07] <MrChrisDruif> ^_^
[23:07] <etneg_> just saying, vectorising that would be so time consuming
[23:07] <SirLinux`> etneg_ well , kinda
[23:07] <etneg_> ive been meaning to go into 3d as well
[23:07] <SirLinux`> 20 - 30 minutes
[23:07] <etneg_> atleast for some tasks
[23:08] <etneg_> havent gotten my new machine yet, once it's here, either cinema4d or blender and the awesome zbrush = total awesomeness
[23:13] <etneg_> ive heard some good stuff aboout cinema4d
[23:14] <SirLinux`> yeah but you need good pc
[23:14] <SirLinux`> this notebook i use for such works, is a i7 cpu with 4 gb ram ( sony vaio ) and is kinda slow while rendering
[23:15] <etneg_> well the machine im building and i just orderered for the parts
[23:16] <etneg_> is an i7 2600k, sli 580s with 3gb, and a nice cooling system, 16gb ram 1800, etc
[23:16] <etneg_> i'll oc that and i should do fine
[23:16] <etneg_> even if i didnt oc it, it'll do fine
[23:17] <etneg_> rendering is tricky
[23:17] <etneg_> gpu or cpu?
[23:17] <etneg_> varries with each
[23:17] <etneg_> i mean solidworks + GTX = poor performances
[23:18] <etneg_> solidworks + quadro = major performance because of the drivers that are customised for solidworks
[23:18] <etneg_> blender and a quadro? forget it, might as well stick with teh GTX
[23:19] <etneg_> you have to understand, 5 yrs ago people did some awesome work in 3d without all this hardware, think about it...
[23:20] <etneg_> so i wouldnt exactly count on a rock solid machine to produce quality work, might need some talent too:P
[23:21] <SirLinux`> hmm
[23:21] <SirLinux`> nice specs there
[23:21] <SirLinux`> rendering  : cpu
[23:21] <etneg_> ah k
[23:22] <etneg_> oh a laptop?
[23:22] <etneg_> hehe
[23:22] <etneg_> seriously get a workstation, it'll be less painful
[23:22] <etneg_> or just a desktop
[23:23] <etneg_> i have the new xps but you dont wanna heat those guys up, they'll cry for miles
[23:23] <SirLinux`> i was thinkin to get a imac full speks
[23:23] <SirLinux`> specs *
[23:23] <etneg_> for that price?
[23:23] <etneg_> why bother
[23:24] <etneg_> build it dude
[23:25] <etneg_> alrihg togtta jetfor a bit


[02:35] <tntc> so yeah.... android playlist saving. Any progress on that yet? I noticed the outage date suddenly leapt forward a month.
[02:35] <tntc> Is Couchdb still misbehaving?
[07:56] <mandel> morning all!
[08:06] <rye> mornings
[08:21] <mrfree> hi all
[08:21] <mrfree> I'm trying to port ubuntuone client to gentoo
[08:21] <mrfree> but I have some problems with ubuntuone-control-panel because of its apt deps
[08:21] <mrfree> is there a way to manuallu configure ubuntuone client?
[08:22] <mrfree> I'm actually running syncdaemon and u1sdtool -s reports http://pastebin.com/hGbKLT5m
[08:24] <mrfree> any idea/suggestion?
[08:30] <mandel> mrfree, let me take a look
[08:30] <JamesTait> Good morning, all!
[08:31] <mandel> mrfree, ok, what you have there is that you do not have a user, that is, you do not have the credentials, but syncdaemon is work and waiting to get credentials
[08:31] <mandel> mrfree, have you tried to check if ubuntu-sso-client works?
[08:32] <mandel> mrfree, if that works we can take a look at what is the problem with the control panel to try and get it working, if it is utterly impossible we can write a small script to get the creds for you and we move from there :)
[08:42] <rye> mrfree, you can try checking whether it works further down by using ubuntu-sso-login.py and putting the oauth token in [__main__] oauth = $OAUTH in ~/.config/ubuntuone/syncdaemon.conf
[08:43] <rye> http://people.canonical.com/~roman.yepishev/us/ubuntuone-sso-login.py
[08:44] <mandel> rye, aren't we a helpful team? :P
[08:45] <czajkowski> aloha all
[08:46] <mandel> czajkowski, morning!
[08:46] <czajkowski> mandel: ello
[08:52] <mrfree> ok I'll take a look asap :)
[08:59]  * mandel hates windows!!!! and vmware!!!
[09:05] <gatox> hi everyone!
[09:09] <mandel> gatox, morning!!!
[09:10] <mandel> gatox, I'm fixing yesterdays branch, but I'm finding something interesting between the interaction of vms and the stupid shell c function
[09:11] <gatox> mandel, i'm getting a lot of issues with my ñoño ñandú user too... :S
[09:13] <mandel> gatox, I think is a good idea to have such a user name.. but is a PITA
[09:13] <gatox> mandel, yes, i'm going to mantain this username
[09:14] <mrfree> mandel, rye, I've ported few other packages like lazr stuff to gentoo to get sso-client working but now... http://pastebin.com/m9H5q36D
[09:14] <rye> mrfree, looks like Ubuntu One certificate is missing
[09:14]  * mandel looks
[09:15] <rye> mandel, where did you get the certificate for Windows version?
[09:16] <mandel> rye, mrfree, there are some certs in the lp:ubuntuone-storage-protocol, are they those?
[09:16] <rye> mandel, looks like yes
[09:17] <mandel> give them a try :)
[09:18] <mrfree> I've already installed them under /etc/ssl/certs/ when I ported ubuntuone-storage-protocol let me check if I need to "enable" them in any manner
[09:19] <mandel> mrfree, let me know and I'll help you to take a closer look, when we ported that to windows we did not have that issue, or if we did I forgot about it :(
[09:21] <mrfree> sure, I really want to port u1 to gentoo ;) the overlay linked in the u1 wiki is very outdated and unsupported, my plan is to add ubuntuone stuff to the official gentoo-user overlay called sunrise
[09:23] <mandel> mrfree, that is great!!! let us know because we are more than happy to help anyone going through the effort
[09:23] <mandel> mrfree, mainly we are not enough people to get this working in every platform
[09:32] <gatox_> mandel, back
[09:35] <mandel> gatox_, can you try lp:~mandel/ubuntuone-windows-installer/migrate-data
[09:35] <mandel> gatox_, the tests and the function should be able to handle unicode correctly now
[09:36] <mandel> I wonder how we did not get many complains in the released version.. I supose not meany people use unicode in their user name :P
[09:36] <gatox_> mandel, probably not
[09:37] <mandel> gatox, I'm not going to complain :)
[09:39] <gatox> jej
[09:44] <gatox> mandel, tests are ok now! :D
[09:45] <mandel> gatox, hurray!!
[09:46] <gatox> mandel, anndddddd....... +1
[09:48] <mandel> gatox, superb, thx!!!
[09:49] <mandel> then I'll move to the next one :P
[09:50] <mandel> gatox, can you take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntuone-windows-installer/put-migration-together and build a pacakage with that one?
[09:50] <mandel> gatox, I want to do a IRL tests with the old beta installed and the new .exe to see if it does uninstall the old one and migrates the data
[09:51] <gatox> mandel, ok, can it be in a while? i'm fighting with the unicode issue and is high (as you might know based in my comments :P)
[09:53] <mandel> gatox, sure, no problem :)
[09:55] <gatox> mandel, ok... let me try to understand something here and then i'll package that branch :D
[09:58] <mrfree> mandel, rye, doh! it seems to be a httpllib2 issue now solved... http://code.google.com/p/httplib2/source/detail?r=71ec465ee631 I need to test it :)
[10:00] <rye> mrfree, if you get biten by this one, you may also be biten by http://code.google.com/p/httplib2/source/detail?r=adfecbabd3f9481f059aaa20e69005ff9ea20952
[10:01] <rye> mrfree, well, it is only in case the subjectAltNames are used on the servers, looks like files.one.ubuntu.com do use these
[10:02] <gatox> mandel, ping
[10:04] <mrfree> I think I need to patch my httplib2 package because upstream haven't released any updated version yet
[10:09] <rye> mrfree, yeah, oneiric ships with at least these 2 patches
[10:19] <mrfree> mandel, rye, http://pastebin.com/M0vQx19L :)
[10:19]  * mandel looks
[10:20] <mandel> mrfree, bravo!!!
[10:20] <mrfree> :) thanks for your precious help
[10:20] <mandel> mrfree, so, next step would be getting control panel working, right?
[10:21] <mandel> mrfree, was this using ryes script?
[10:21] <mrfree> yup it would be great! I'm also trying to get deja-dup ubuntuone integration works
[10:21] <mrfree> yes I used rye oauth script
[10:22] <rye> mrfree, well, now you will want to look at ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon.log
[10:23] <mandel> rye, ideally we should help mrfree to get ubuntu-sso-client working, that way he will have a final solution :)
[10:24] <rye> mandel, yes, but when syncdaemon starts working, this is already awesome :)
[10:24] <mandel> rye, certainly, I'd love to see this working on gentoo
[10:25] <mrfree> the syncdaemon appears to work :) I've received a notification about a remoted file I've uploaded from my android client :D
[10:25] <rye> mrfree, shiny!
[10:25] <rye> mrfree, now you will need ubuntu-sso-client
[10:25] <rye> hm
[10:26]  * mandel dances due to mrfree achievement
[10:26] <mrfree> :D lol
[10:28] <mrfree> I've already packaged and installed ubuntu-sso-client how can I test it?
[10:28] <mrfree> did you mean ubuntuone-client?
[10:31] <mandel> mrfree, ubuntu-sso-client is the dbus client that allows you to get the creds from the sso servers that are used for u1
[10:32] <mandel> mrfree, about testing it.. there should be a script somewhere to try and get new creds, rye do we have any example?
[10:32] <rye> mrfree, run backend with DEBUG=True env var
[10:32] <rye> wait
[10:33] <rye> mrfree, no, that's about ubuntuone-control-panel
[10:33] <rye> mrfree, nessita may have the test scripts, or the distribution itself may have dozen of tests
[10:33] <mandel> rye, yeah, I was going to say, we want first to check ubuntu-sso-client
[10:33] <mandel> mrfree, let me look at the code, one min (or two ;) )
[10:34] <mrfree> mandel, sure! :)
[10:35] <hito_jp> Hey u1 experts, I have question about /var/lib/dbus/machine-id(that used in oneconf), In Oneiric environment, that value seems static(non-unique, depends at installed media's).
[10:35] <mandel> mrfree, there is none in the src, let me write a very quick one
[10:37] <gatox> rye, ping
[10:38] <mandel> hito_jp, I don;t think oneconf uses our infrastructure anymore.. I think you have to ask didrocks for that
[10:38] <mandel> no idea in which channer :(
[10:38] <rye> gatox, pong
[10:38] <mandel> s/channer/channel
[10:39] <hito_jp> mandel, Okay, thanks!
[10:39] <gatox> rye, hi! i wanted to ask you if you know where i should log u1 server bugs (related to the web page)?
[10:40] <rye> gatox, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-servers/
[10:40] <gatox> rye, thanks!
[10:43] <mandel> mrfree, need some more time, issues with my machine :(
[10:43] <mrfree> no prob mandel :)
[10:54] <mandel> mrfree, if you have the ubuntu-sso-client dbus runing and registered the following should work: http://paste.ubuntu.com/706625/
[10:54] <mandel> mrfree, or so I think, my machine broke before I could testing, I'm creating a new vm to see :P
[10:55] <mandel> s/testing/test
[10:55]  * mandel eng is worse than usual
[11:04] <mandel> mrfree, let me know if it works.. I think it should, but I'm not 100% the expert will here in an hour or two :)
[11:07] <mrfree> mandel, echo $? -> 0 :)
[11:07] <mrfree> it doesn't fail so I suppose it works
[11:10] <mandel> mrfree, open d-feet to check if the dbus service is there in your session
[11:11]  * mandel things we need some example code for this
[11:15] <mrfree> mandel, I have a com.ubuntu.sso
[11:16] <rye> mrfree, you can remove the oauth line from syncdaemon.conf and restart SD, that would initiate SSO credentials retrieval which should launch gui
[11:16] <mrfree> ah ok. I try
[11:17] <mrfree> u1sdtool -d ; remove... ; u1sdtool -c will be enough?
[11:18] <mandel> mrfree, do u1sdtool -q; remove; sleep 10 (just in case; u1sdtool -c
[11:20] <nessita> good morning everyone
[11:20] <gatox> nessita, hi!
[11:20] <mandel> nessita, morning!
[11:20] <nessita> hi gatox, mandel, how is it going?
[11:20] <gatox> nessita, fine.... fighting with unicode :P
[11:21] <mandel> nessita, I'm about to go and walk the dog, but let me first introduce you mrfree he has managed to get sd running on gentoo and now moving to use ubuntu-sso-client and control panel
[11:21] <mandel> nessita, so, it would be great if you can give him a hand ;)
[11:21] <mandel> nessita, the rest, ok. I have not heard about the rt yet and filled a bug regarding unicode and special folder in ubuntuone-windows-installer with a fix in one of my proposed branches
[11:22] <mandel> I'll do errands and will propose the fix for the logging
[11:22] <nessita> mandel: ack
[11:22] <nessita> mrfree: hi there! great news, what do you need regarding ubuntu-sso-client and controlpanel?
[11:24] <mrfree> nessita, hi :) using a py script provided by rye I've got a oauth token and manually configured syncdaemon... it worked. now we are trying to get sso-client to work
[11:24] <mrfree> http://pastebin.com/VAWi6Fkh
[11:24] <mrfree> the interface doesn't comes up
[11:25] <mrfree> wait wait wait :)
[11:25]  * nessita waits
[11:26] <mandel> nessita, I wans trying to write a small script that uses sso to see if it works, but I think I'm not that good with that lid on linux :P
[11:26] <mrfree> my bad... I tried dejadup-ubuntuone integration before and it left something in my keyring... I've deleted it and now the gui comes up, let me try
[11:27] <mrfree> "the process finished succesfully, congratulations!" :)
[11:27] <nessita> mrfree: yey!
[11:28] <mrfree> but the ~/.config/ubuntuone is still empty
[11:28] <mrfree> and the u1sdtool -s reports "Not User With Network"
[11:28] <mrfree> I've removed syncdaemon.conf file as rye suggested
[11:29] <nessita> mrfree:  ~/.config/ubuntuone will be empty until you explictely change some config. What else does u1sdtool -s say?
[11:29] <mrfree> nessita, http://pastebin.com/uXRG0aPt
[11:30] <nessita> mrfree: can you do u1sdtool -c now?
[11:30] <nessita> mrfree: in another terminal, have this running: tail -F ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon.log
[11:31] <nessita> gatox: of lint issues here https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntu-sso-client/network-detect/+merge/77048
[11:31] <mrfree> nessita, State: AUTHENTICATE :D
[11:31]  * gatox checking...
[11:32] <nessita> mrfree: is moving forward... it'll need to reach a State called QUEUE_MANAGER, with a value for Queues: WORKING
[11:32] <mrfree> nessita, ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.ActionQueue - WARNING - Client mismatch while processing the request 'oauth_authenticate', client (<ubuntuone.syncdaemon.action_queue.ActionQueueProtocol instance at 0x2a2d680>) is not self.client (None).
[11:33] <nessita> gatox: I added the lint messages in the MP in case lint is acting up on you
[11:33] <gatox> nessita, yes, i'm looking at that
[11:33] <nessita> mrfree: no worries with that
[11:33] <mrfree> nessita, it can be related with previous manual tries?
[11:33] <nessita> mrfree: yeap
[11:33] <mrfree> nessita, queues: WORKING
[11:33] <nessita> mrfree: and State?
[11:33] <mrfree> ok reached!
[11:34] <mrfree> State: QUEUE_MANAGER
[11:34] <nessita> great! is working :-)
[11:34] <mrfree> WOW :)
[11:34] <nessita> after sync completes, it will reach queues: IDLE
[11:34] <nessita> mrfree: you can confirm at that point that all your files are in the web site
[11:37] <mrfree> nessita, it works
[11:37] <mrfree> I've just put a file in my local "ubuntu one" folder
[11:37] <nessita> mrfree: great
[11:37] <mrfree> and it has been uploaded in the cloud :)
[11:38]  * mandel walks dog
[11:38] <mrfree> mandel, wof!
[11:43] <mrfree> nessita, speaking about the control-panel... the problem is it depends on apt python stuff :)
[11:44] <nessita> mrfree: ah, yes... we need to install packages from the UI
[11:44] <nessita> mrfree: we will be removing that soonish, but not right-right now
[11:44] <nessita> mrfree: wanna commnet out that?
[11:44] <mrfree> nessita, will be enough for me
[11:45] <mrfree> I'll add all needed pcks as dep for control-panel
[11:45] <mrfree> a simple patch that comment/remove apt stuff will be great
[11:45] <mrfree> I tryed creating dummy package_manager.py
[11:46] <mrfree> without success I need to investigare better :)
[11:46] <nessita> mrfree: let me know if I can give you a hint
[11:47] <mrfree> kk
[12:16]  * nessita -> brbs
[12:42]  * nessita -> back
[12:45] <mrfree>  /msg NickServ help
[12:55] <mandel_mobile> gatox, ping
[12:56] <mandel_mobile> can anyone confirm you can see me?
[12:56]  * beuno pretends to not see mandel_mobile
[12:57] <mandel_mobile> beuno, thx ;)
[12:58] <gatox> mandel, pong
[12:59] <mandel_mobile> gatox, I just wanted to check if my irc works :P
[13:00] <mrfree> guys, I got to go... many thanks for the help, see ya on tomorrow :)
[13:00] <mrfree> byee
[13:00] <nessita> mrfree: bye!
[13:00] <nessita> me
[13:00] <gatox> me
[13:00] <mandel_mobile> mrfree, laters
[13:00] <mandel_mobile> me
[13:00] <dobey> hmm
[13:01] <nessita> let's!
[13:01] <nessita> DONE: u1client refactoring so we can have multiplatform u1sdtool, review, bug triage, teaching duties
[13:01] <nessita> TODO: more of the same! :-)
[13:01] <nessita> BLOCKED: nopes
[13:01] <nessita> NEXT: gatox
[13:01] <gatox> DONE:
[13:01] <gatox> Fixed branches, create annoying user name to detect unicode problems.
[13:01] <gatox> TODO:
[13:01] <gatox> Finish fixing unicode problems (it seems that is almost ready).
[13:01] <gatox> BLOCKED:
[13:01] <gatox> No.
[13:01] <gatox> mandel_mobile, go
[13:01] <gatox> mandel, also go
[13:01] <gatox> :P
[13:01] <mandel_mobile> ago I cannot paste..
[13:02] <dobey> oh
[13:02] <dobey> gentoo
[13:02] <dobey> damn, patience
[13:02] <dobey> We
[13:02] <dobey> λ DONE: SRU work (bug #868457, bug #865115, bug #807737)
[13:02] <dobey> λ TODO: release planning for pterodactyl, libu1 page load fix
[13:02] <dobey> λ BLCK: None.
[13:02] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 868457 in ubuntuone-client-gnome (Ubuntu Precise) (and 5 other projects) "Location widget switch does not work: utils.c does not get HAVE_NAUTILUS_30 define (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/868457
[13:02] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 865115 in ubuntuone-client-gnome (Ubuntu Oneiric) (and 7 other projects) "nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV in gconf_client_get(), if both nautilus-open-terminal and ubuntuone-client-gnome are installed (affects: 305) (dups: 53) (heat: 1542)" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/865115
[13:02] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 807737 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu Precise) (and 7 other projects) "LR should not touch the hashes of non-existant MD (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/807737
[13:02] <mandel_mobile> done: fixed issue with get default folders, tracked rt, worked on improving fs events
[13:03] <mandel_mobile> TODO: propose merges, reviews, more,rt
[13:03] <mandel_mobile> blocked: no
[13:03] <mandel_mobile> dobey, go
[13:05] <dobey> already have, whilst you were trying to type on your phone :)
[13:05] <mandel_mobile> I noticed, you are evil..
[13:05] <mandel_mobile> ago stupid tiny keyboard..
[13:15] <dobey> hrmm, ralsina and joshuahoover are probably en route to their respective destinations
[13:15] <mandel_mobile> I officially don't  know how to use my mobile..
[13:16] <dobey> is it android?
[13:16] <mandel_mobile> dobey, i though ralsina was in London a little longer
[13:16] <dobey> oh? no idea
[13:16] <mandel_mobile> yes, android..
[13:17] <mandel_mobile> I'm trying to do the stand-up and have lunch
[13:17] <dobey> nobody knows how to use android. android uses you.
[13:17] <mandel_mobile> I'm doing any of them, no lunch and stansup
[13:18] <mandel_mobile> dobey, hehe
[13:18] <mandel_mobile> how is the pre going?
[13:19] <dobey> switching providers is pain, as is migrating webos phones; can't have both on at the same time, because the synergy sync thing won't let you have 2 phones connected to the same account
[13:19] <dobey> and the pre 3 has a bigger screen, so the phone is wider/taller, but is also slightly thinner
[13:20] <dobey> and the screen is 800x480 instead of 480x320 or whatever the older ones were
[13:20] <mandel_mobile> dobey, and the OS?  I'm checking.
[13:40] <alecu> nessita, just checked IRL: it's the same.
[13:40] <nessita> alecu: do you have any recommendation?
[13:40] <alecu> nessita, probably adding in_signature='' makes it more explicit.
[13:40] <nessita> alecu: thanks!
[14:04] <mandel> nessita, ping
[14:04] <nessita> mandelpong
[14:04] <mandel> nessita, can I have a re-review for this guy: https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntuone-windows-installer/migrate-data/+merge/78387
[14:04] <nessita> mandel: pong (there is also a mandel_mobile!) :-)
[14:04] <mandel> nessita, sorry, I'll kick the mobile guy out :)
[14:04] <nessita> mandel: sure! how did you resolve the data migration itself?
[14:05] <nessita> mandel: when there was collision of filenames/dirnames
[14:05] <mandel> nessita, if the file is already present it raises an exception, then when we get the ui we tell the user to do it manually, is stupid but saver
[14:05] <mandel> nessita, being smart at that point would be more dangerous
[14:05] <mandel> but I'm open to suggestions
[14:06] <mandel> :D
[14:06] <nessita> hum
[14:06] <nessita> mandel: waht about returning a success/error code? I mean, if we raised an exception, we abort the migration and nothing else is "copied"?
[14:07] <mandel> nessita, atm I check the destination for files with the same names before we move anything, if there are we do nothing, what do you think?
[14:07] <nessita> mandel: let me see a bit of code
[14:09] <mandel> nessita, sure, as I said, I wanted to keep it simple but if you find a smarter way I'm more than happy to discuss it :)
[14:13] <nessita> mandel: while I read the logic, I get confuse by this patches being in every test:
[14:13] <nessita> 128+        self.patch(utils.windows.tools, 'SyncDaemonTool',
[14:13] <nessita> 129+                FakeSDTool)
[14:13] <nessita> 130+        self.patch(utils.windows.ctypes.windll.shell32,
[14:13] <nessita> 131+                'SHGetSpecialFolderPathW', fake_get_docs_dir)
[14:13] <nessita> can you please move  them to setUp? also move every other patching that is repeated betwees tests
[14:13] <nessita> between*
[14:15] <nessita> mandel: and I'll ask again what I put in the MP before: any reason to duplicate the dll.SHGetSpecialFolderPathW(None, buf, CSIDL_PERSONAL, False) call in migrate_old_data? can't we re-use  def default_folders?
[14:15] <mandel> nessita, ups that one I forgot, sorry
[14:16] <mandel> nessita, about the patch, I'd like to path but be able to return the the vars defined in my setUp, how can I do that?
[14:16] <mandel> nessita, oh, wait, I can do it in  setup sorry :P
[14:16] <nessita> mandel: you confused me :-D
[14:18] <mandel> nessita, nothing.. most of my blood is in by belly atm and my brain is getting none, I now understand what you mean
[14:50] <mandel> cute: http://www.symantec.com/connect/blogs/python-has-venom
[14:50] <mandel> not realistic, yet cute :P
[14:54] <mandel> nessita, pushed new code with cleaned up tests and using default_fodlers()[0] to get the docs folder
[14:55] <nessita> ack
[14:57] <nessita> mandel: you did not move the patches to setUp?
[15:01] <mandel> nessita, yes, wich revno do you have
[15:01] <nessita> mandel: what launchpad is showing
[15:01] <nessita> 89 apparently
[15:02] <mandel> nessita, should be 90.. let me double check
[15:02] <mandel> yes, 90 it is
[15:03] <nessita> mandel: did you push it?
[15:04] <nessita> mandel: LP keeps showing 89 as the last one
[15:05] <mandel> nessita, let me try again, I'll push 91 to see if it works
[15:05] <nessita> mandel: wait
[15:06] <nessita> mandel: what does bzr missing says in you branch?
[15:06] <mandel> nessita:
[15:06] <mandel> mandel@robin:~/Projects/Canonical/ubuntuone-windows-installer/migrate-data$ bzr revno
[15:06] <mandel> 91
[15:06] <mandel> mandel@robin:~/Projects/Canonical/ubuntuone-windows-installer/migrate-data$
[15:06] <nessita> mandel: bzr missing
[15:07] <mandel> bzr missing:
[15:07] <mandel> Using saved parent location: bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntuone-windows-installer/migrate-data/
[15:07] <mandel> Branches are up to date.
[15:07] <mandel> mandel@robin:~/Projects/Canonical/ubuntuone-windows-installer/migrate-data$
[15:07] <mandel> nessita, ^
[15:07] <nessita> mandel: ok, refreshing LP
[15:07] <nessita> LP seems to be slow, I wil get bakc to that in a few minutes
[15:08] <mandel> nessita, ok, no worries :)
[15:13] <dobey> ok, time to get lunch. and We have an appointment as well. be back in a couple hours
[16:03] <mandel> EOD for me, see you all!
[16:04] <gatox> mandel, bye
[16:26] <gatox> lunch and try to power up the brain to figure it out how to fix this unicode issue....... brb
[17:16] <gatox> alecu, ping
[17:16] <alecu> gatox, pong
[17:17] <gatox> alecu, hi, do you know which is the proper method where the user home is retrieved?? because i'm finding a lotttttt of references of get_rootdir everywhere
[17:18] <gatox> alecu, the one i found (and i think is what i want) has the famous @remote
[17:19] <gatox> and nothing else....
[17:19] <alecu> gatox, oh, you mean using xdg?
[17:19] <alecu> gatox, in what part are you working on?
[17:19] <alecu> gatox, (btw: I've got little idea of this)
[17:19] <gatox> alecu, i started at u1-cp, but i'm now in ubuntuone-client
[17:20] <gatox> alecu, no problem... i'll keep looking... or kill myself with a unicode char jejeje
[17:21] <alecu> gatox, here you go: ⚔
[17:21] <gatox> jejeej
[17:25] <alecu> gatox, u1-client uses the xdg from sso
[17:25] <alecu> gatox, and sso uses it from /usr/share/pyshared/xdg/BaseDirectory.py
[17:26] <alecu> gatox, and there does not seem to be a "user home" in xdg, at least as a public attribute in that file.
[17:27] <gatox> AlanBell, mmmmm ahh... i thinnk that maybe i might know where that could be (a lot of possible solutions jeje)
[17:27] <gatox> nothing certain
[17:28] <gatox> maybe-might-could
[17:28] <gatox> alecu,  ^{
[17:28] <gatox> AlanBell, sorry... wrong person
[17:28] <alecu> gatox, ok, let me know if I can be of any help
[17:29] <alecu> gatox, but I'm going to lunch now :-)
[17:29] <gatox> alecu, ok, thanks!! go go.... i'm going to cry in the dark for a while jejjeje
[19:36] <duanedesign> alecu: i have a ticket where the user wants to uninstall the windows client but the uninstall link is not working.
[19:37] <duanedesign> alecu: would removing the ubuntuone folder in Program Files and the xdg folder take care of removing it manually
[19:38] <alecu> duanedesign, probably not: the icons would still be in the desktop and/or start menu
[19:38] <alecu> duanedesign, and probably they would be broken.
[19:39] <alecu> duanedesign, and the program would still show up on the "uninstall software" control panel option
[19:39] <alecu> duanedesign, and probably on some other user facing part I'm forgetting right now.
[19:39] <duanedesign> alecu: ahh they could try the control panel and see if that removes it
[19:40] <duanedesign> alecu: fwiw here is the installer log https://pastebin.canonical.com/54258/
[19:40] <alecu> duanedesign, I mean the "windows" control panel, right?
[19:40] <duanedesign> right
[19:40] <duanedesign> :)
[19:40] <alecu> duanedesign, no idea on the installer logs.... we should surely ask mandel.
[19:41] <duanedesign> ok
[20:33] <dobey> meh
[20:35] <dobey> wonder when plump penguin will be buildable in LP recipes
[21:07]  * nessita -> edoing
[21:32] <dobey> good evening all
[22:21] <alecu> eod for me
[22:43] <iheartubuntu> QUESTION - Uploads to U1 are not showing up online. If I try in any browser to upload a file within the Ubuntu One website, the file never appears in the folder online.
[22:45] <iheartubuntu> i have tried PDF files, JPG, PNG... nothing shows up. I have tried to upload both from the web and placing the file in my U1 folder. Thanks for any help. Was trying to share a PDF with my local LUG.
[22:55] <elopio> iheartubuntu, I've just tried to upload a file from the browser and it works ok for me.
[22:55] <iheartubuntu> strange. i have even rebooted my computer too
[22:55] <elopio> iheartubuntu, can you tell me what are the steps you are following? perhaps I'm doing something different.
[22:56] <iheartubuntu> i log into Ubuntu One website. click "files". i then click "upload file", browse for the file, select and click upload.
[22:56] <elopio> iheartubuntu, then you see a purple loading bar?
[22:57] <iheartubuntu> correct yes
[22:57] <iheartubuntu> then it dissappears
[22:57] <iheartubuntu> and then it never shows up in my folder
[22:57] <iheartubuntu> refreshing the folder does not help either
[22:58] <elopio> yes, that's weird. What's your browser?
[22:58] <iheartubuntu> im using firefox 8 stable. also have tried chrome and opera too
[23:01] <iheartubuntu> im using ubuntuone nightlies, but that shouldnt affect web uploads
[23:02] <elopio> iheartubuntu, there must be some problem with your account, because here it works like a charm.
[23:02] <elopio> iheartubuntu, I guess that it would be better for you to send a support request: https://one.ubuntu.com/help/contact/
[23:02] <iheartubuntu> :| hmmm. well, i did change my password recently
[23:03] <elopio> let me try that.
[23:04] <iheartubuntu> i logged out, logged back in and it did not help.
[23:05] <elopio> nop, I still can upload files.
[23:05] <beuno> duanedesign, are you maybe over quota?
[23:05] <beuno> er
[23:05] <beuno> iheartubuntu, ^
[23:06] <iheartubuntu> no i still have 10GB remaining
[23:07] <iheartubuntu> you are correct!
[23:08] <iheartubuntu> my yearly acct must have ended.
[23:08] <iheartubuntu> 334% in use
[23:09] <iheartubuntu> thanks.
[23:09] <iheartubuntu> too bad i didnt get an email reminding me
[23:10]  * elopio goes to file a bug asking for an error message :p
[23:10] <iheartubuntu> indeed it was OCT 7 2010 i subscribed to the 20GB pack
[23:11] <iheartubuntu> i notice on signing up again it says my card will be billed automatically (annually). but i have since closed the card.
[23:13] <elopio> iheartubuntu, would you mind reporting that as a feature request? send an email notice when the automatic payment fails.
[23:13] <iheartubuntu> will do
[23:13] <iheartubuntu> thanks for the tip
[23:14] <elopio> iheartubuntu, thanks.
[23:17] <iheartubuntu> everything works now
[23:17] <iheartubuntu> thx


[13:13] <roaksoax> rvba: howdy: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/maas/+bug/1103195
[14:33] <roaksoax> rvba: the bug above is from latest lp:maas/1.2 (which is on raring). Happened after a clean install
[16:04] <roaksoax> rvba: so a better quick fix would be to install the tool with maas-region-contorller then?
[16:05] <rvba> roaksoax: not sure it's better, but it's quicker :)
[16:05] <roaksoax> indeed :)
[16:25] <roaksoax> rvba: btw.. wanted to check with you if this makes sense to you: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1563502/
[16:25] <roaksoax> this is adding an 'xinstall' purpose that installs Ubuntu using a fast path installer (using the pehemral image)
[16:35] <roaksoax> rvba: and.. in a preseed, what variable refers to the cluster controller from which a node is booting from?
[17:29] <rvba> roaksoax: having a look now…
[17:32] <rvba> roaksoax: looks good but: I wonder why you need the symlink stuff since importing the same image twice is simpler right now / not sure if using the tags to decide install/xinstall is the way to go in the long run (but looks ok for testing at least)
[17:34] <rvba> roaksoax: I don't think that variable is present yet.
[17:51] <roaksoax> rvba: the tags stuff is being tested already :)
[17:52] <roaksoax> rvba: the symlink stuff might eventually change since the image will be obtained from oxygen and XYZ
[17:52] <roaksoax> and yes the variable to refer to cluster controller is what is needed


[01:58] <ubotu> Vorian called the ops in #ubuntu-devel (Romney08)
[01:58] <ardchoille> That spammer sure is persistent
[01:59] <Vorian> lol
[02:13] <ubotu> slangasek called the ops in #ubuntu-motu (Romney08)
[02:13] <zul> hey can someone do something about Romnet08 on #-motu
[02:14] <ScottK> He hit #ubuntu-devel earlier
[02:14] <Pici> LjL: ^
[02:14] <LjL> Pici: no access in -motu
[02:14] <ScottK> Romney08 though (no t)
[02:14] <Pici> !staff
[02:15] <ubotu> Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2 or Christel,  I could use a bit of your time :)
[02:15] <Pici> see above regarding romney08
[02:19] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, remove the romney08 spambot from -motu
[02:20] <LjL> elkbuntu, psst, you have access
[02:20] <elkbuntu> i do?
[02:20] <LjL> unless /cs access list lies to me
[02:20] <tonyyarusso> indeed you do
[02:20] <no0tic> lol :)
[02:21] <Hobbsee> yes, all council people should
[02:21]  * LjL feels left out :P
[02:23] <elkbuntu> would it be safe to exclude *romney*!*@* *mitt*!*@* and *prez*!*@* from channels? :)
[02:23] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:25]  * LjL now doesn't feel left out
[02:25] <ardchoille> Any thoughts on the nick "zippercock" being used in #kubuntu ?
[02:25] <LjL> elkbuntu: for romney and prez, i think just *e*!*@* should do
[02:26] <elkbuntu> LjL, :(
[02:27] <LjL> ardchoille, unless someone complains, i usually pretend i didn't see nicknames that are dubious but not just blatantly bad
[02:27] <ardchoille> Ok, works for me :)
[02:28] <elkbuntu> zippercock is conceivably a RL surname too
[02:28] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: I think we already did.
[02:28] <tonyyarusso> at least had temporarily - not sure if still applied
[02:28] <LjL> indeed... or well, at least, it might be as far as i know. which is not much concerning english surnames. but the point is, care before classing a nick as bad is due
[02:28]  * tonyyarusso already put a forward in #ubuntu to here for today's hostmask
[02:28] <elkbuntu> tonyyarusso, i think it's time to do it again, since they've widened their join lists
[02:29] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: Fine by me.  I don't see a need for any legitimate user to have those strings anyway.
[02:29] <LjL> overly wide bans always worry me...
[02:29] <LjL> banforward to here
[02:29] <LjL> or find a portion of hostname that doesn't change, if there is one
[02:29] <elkbuntu> LjL, was just about to suggest that
[02:29] <tonyyarusso> Yes, forwards would be preferred.
[02:30] <elkbuntu> LjL, they have way too many hostmasks judging from last time
[02:30] <tonyyarusso> LjL: There isn't a static portion, apparently.
[02:30] <LjL> then banforward, but be prepared to have ops complaining about it here :)
[02:31] <LjL> *romney* might possibly be a relatively safe ban
[02:31] <LjL> but *prez* and especially *mitt*, no
[02:31] <elkbuntu> i dont have ops in -devel
[02:31] <elkbuntu> LjL, it'll give us more stats to play with
[02:31] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, op me up in -devel please?
[02:32] <ubotu> FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[02:32] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: done
[02:32]  * LjL <3 /me's load balanced bots
[02:33]  * Pici loves LjL's bots
[02:34] <elkbuntu> ha, you cant even deop through chanserv without access
[02:34] <elkbuntu> too funny
[02:34] <LjL> of course
[02:34] <LjL> deopping via chanserv is something i always found kinda stupid anyway :P
[02:34]  * tonyyarusso does it, isn't sure why
[02:35] <LjL> tonyyarusso: the only conceivable reason is that, sometimes, you get the odd smarthead saying "woo, look, ljl deopped ljl!"
[02:35] <elkbuntu> as compared to 'haha, chanserve hates ljl'
[02:35] <tonyyarusso> hehe
[02:36] <LjL> there's that.
[02:36] <LjL>  /cs bed ljl
[02:36] <Pici> later LjL
[02:36] <elkbuntu> gnite LjL
[02:36]  * Pici swats his crappy isp
[02:47] <jdong> what's mexicant's story?
[02:47] <jdong> 21:32 < Mexicant> Anybody else here after getting banned from #ubuntu?
[02:48] <Pici> ugh
[02:48] <Pici> Thats chuy
[02:49] <jdong> is he vagina boy?
[02:49] <Pici> yes.
[02:50] <jdong> whee
[02:50] <jdong> ok, I'll keep an eye on the guy
[03:21] <andruk> i get the DCCExploit error, and the ubuntu wiki tells me to beg for help reconnecting to #ubuntu in here...  help, please
[03:22] <no0tic> andruk, did you connect to port 8001?
[03:22] <andruk> yeep
[03:23] <no0tic> andruk, ok, let's wait for an op to test you
[03:23] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:23] <Hobbsee> someone else got him
[03:24] <no0tic> Hobbsee, all yours
[03:24] <andruk> ack, sorry, xchat crashed on me.  yep, i have connected to port 8001
[03:28] <Hobbsee> right
[03:29] <Hobbsee> andruk: ban removed, please keep connecting to that port
[03:29] <andruk> Hobbsee: will do, thanks!
[05:10] <CC_Nganjuk> af/ljgucxg hucghdhf uuie8p3urrf7g2o16tr330t75410]t8\-\=--+%8riadhcxv yuopdl
[05:16] <elkbuntu> interesting
[05:18] <ardchoille> elkbuntu: Is that the new freenode-speak?
[05:18] <ardchoille> :)
[05:31] <elkbuntu> i've got no clue what it was, or why it hit here rather than a populated channel
[05:31] <elkbuntu> actually i see now that i check BT
[06:54] <jussi01> Who is kloeri?
[06:54] <nalioth> a staffer
[06:54] <jussi01> nalioth: ahhh...
[06:54] <nalioth> perhaps the cloak isn't suggestive enough. . .
[06:55]  * jussi01 cries...  its 8.55 am, be easy on me...
[07:21] <Amaranth> alright, back in action
[07:29] <hobojohn3> hi i use chatzilla the firefox plugin and i was told i have to change ports to rejoin ubuntu how do i do that?
[07:30] <nalioth> hobojohn3: try using a real irc client.  chatzilla isn't.  it is a 'proof of concept' to show off the gecko engine, and not very irc rfc compliant
[07:34] <hobojohn3> i dont really use irc except for getting help with ubuntu so i didnt want to download anything big
[07:34] <nalioth> none of the irc clients are "big"
[07:34] <nalioth> a few hundred Kb at most
[07:35] <tonyyarusso> One is even installed by default (although it's not what I would recommend)
[07:36] <hobojohn3> which would you recommend to someone who is not very technical yet?
[07:36] <tonyyarusso> XChat (package name 'xchat')
[07:36] <nalioth> regular old xchat ( NOT xchat-gnome, which is installed by default )
[07:37] <tonyyarusso> nalioth: Err, the default client is pidgin, not xc-gnome, unless I'm sorely mistaken.
[07:37] <tonyyarusso> Regardless, he's right in that xchat-gnome is to be avoided.
[07:37] <nalioth> tonyyarusso: i can't keep up with the continuous downward spiral into the toilet of the default irc client   ;(
[07:37] <tonyyarusso> hehe
[07:38] <hobojohn3> just sudo apt-get xchat?
[07:38] <nalioth> hobojohn3: yep
[07:38] <jussi01> hobojohn3: correct :)
[07:38] <jussi01> nop
[07:38] <jussi01> sudo apt-get install xchat
[07:38] <jussi01> ;)
[07:38] <nalioth> tonyyarusso: irssi was in the first ubuntus, then it was ditched for xchat, then for xchat-gnome and now it's just pidgin
[07:39] <hobojohn3> thnx jussi01
[07:39] <tonyyarusso> nalioth: right - still lamenting dropping irssi
[07:39] <Hobbsee> kubuntu still has irssi
[07:39] <nalioth> Hobbsee: kubuntu has iso images?
[07:40] <Hobbsee> ...yes
[07:40] <jussi01> hehe
[07:40] <tonyyarusso> rofl
[07:40] <jussi01> is it me this morning or why isn the bot accepting my factoid suggestiones...
[07:42] <Hobbsee> it hates you
[07:42] <hobojohn3> im in thank you i will now remove chatzilla
[07:44] <jussi01> nickspam is <reply> You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like $chan - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair on new users. (Please set your preferred nick in your client.) The same goes for using noisy away messages : use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently - See also !Guidelines
[07:45] <tonyyarusso> jussi01: because you aren't invoking the bot?
[07:46] <jussi01> tonyyarusso: you mean i need the ! (tried that
[07:46] <tonyyarusso> jussi01: yeah, you also need a "no, " to override existing ones.
[07:46] <jussi01> and besides, you shouldnt need that when in pm with the bot...
[07:47] <jussi01> tonyyarusso: I dont have bot access... it was supposed to come here.
[07:47] <tonyyarusso> oh
[07:47] <tonyyarusso> !nickspam
[07:47] <ubotu> You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair on new users. The same goes for using noisy away messages : use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently - See also !Guidelines
[07:48] <tonyyarusso> makes sense.
[07:48] <jussi01> tonyyarusso: I added that part cause we get soooo many people coming in then straight away a  nick change...
[07:49] <tonyyarusso> !no, nickspam is <reply> You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like $channel - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair to new users.  (Please set your preferred nick in your client's settings instead.)  The same goes for using noisy away messages; use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently.  See also !Guidelines
[07:49] <ubotu> I'll remember that tonyyarusso
[07:50] <tonyyarusso> shut up Ubotwo :P
[07:50] <jussi01> tonyyarusso: thanks :)
[07:51] <ardchoille> I've lost a karma point on LP. I wonder what could make it go down
[07:51] <jussi01> ardchoille: time
[07:52] <ardchoille> Seriously?
[07:52] <jussi01> yeah
[07:52] <ardchoille> Ah, Ilearned something new :)
[07:52] <jussi01> https://help.launchpad.net/KarmaReductionJan07
[07:52] <tonyyarusso> ardchoille: Nobody understands the algorithm, but that's what it does, yes.
[07:53] <crdlb> meh
[07:53] <jussi01> or even better: https://help.launchpad.net/KarmaCalculation
[07:54] <ardchoille> Yeah, just found that one
[07:54] <jussi01> :D
[07:54] <crdlb> it would be really nice if LjL added floodkicking to the floodbots ;)
[07:56] <ardchoille> Interesting.
[07:56] <ardchoille> I saw someone with ove 6000 karma the other day. I think it was Hobbsee
[07:56] <tonyyarusso> probably
[07:56] <ardchoille> My eyes bugged out :)
[07:57]  * jussi01 runs off to go see riddells karma
[07:57] <ardchoille> hehe
[07:57] <Hobbsee> it probably was
[07:57] <Hobbsee> although i haven't done much in a while
[07:58] <jussi01> meh, riddell only has a measly 3409 :P
[07:59]  * tonyyarusso checks his
[07:59] <jussi01> Hobbsee: has 6525... wow
[07:59] <Hobbsee> heh
[07:59]  * Hobbsee probably does more bug stuff
[07:59] <tonyyarusso> 292
[07:59] <ardchoille> There's one with 79358
[07:59] <jussi01> the sabdfl?
[08:00] <ardchoille> No, not Mark
[08:00] <ardchoille> https://launchpad.net/~caizhonghan
[08:00] <ardchoille> I just added a new machine to my network, plan to use it soley fornew release testing and bug hunting
[08:12]  * jussi01 is sad, as he may lose his server access for irc soon... :( got to get another server!!!
[10:05] <dholbach> heya - astharot just told me that there are problems that prevent him from getting a cloak? (https://launchpad.net/~gerardo)
[10:06] <dholbach> according to https://launchpad.net/~gerardo/+participation he's part of ubuntumembers
[10:13] <dholbach> Seveas: do you know who can help with that ^?
[10:15] <stdin> someone on the council needs to add them to the ubuntu-irc-cloaks team and get a staffer to enable the cloak
[10:16] <stdin> speak of the devil
[10:16] <dholbach> ahhh thanks, stdin
[10:17] <dholbach> PriceChild: do you think you can take a look at astharot's cloak? (https://launchpad.net/~gerardo)
[10:18] <PriceChild> astharot, just checking you want this ubuntu/member cloak?
[10:18] <PriceChild> astharot, could you also ensure you have a secondary nick linked to your first, and an email set on the nick
[10:18] <PriceChild> /msg ubotu register, for help
[10:18] <dholbach> PriceChild: thanks a lot - you ROCK
[10:19] <Dave2> .allserv back
[10:19] <Dave2> bah
[10:19]  * Dave2 needs to stop doing that.
[10:19] <Gary> yeah, Dave2 :p
[10:20] <PriceChild> dholbach, nalioth /away right now. Freenode haven't updated their gcf so I can't ask say Dave2 or Gary here to apply a cloak for me yet. We're just going to have to wait for nalioth to return :)
[10:20] <PriceChild> plus astharot seems afk also 8-)
[10:21] <dholbach> I'll leave it in your hands then. Thanks for looking into this
[10:21]  * dholbach waves
[10:27] <astharot> here now
[10:28] <astharot> I've no other nicks and I've a linked email
[10:29] <PriceChild> astharot, please register a second nick and link it to the first
[10:30] <PriceChild> astharot, astharot_ for example
[10:30] <astharot> ok
[10:31] <astharot> done!
[10:31] <PriceChild> cool. and just to check you want this cloak?
[10:32] <astharot> mmh yes :)
[10:32] <PriceChild> nalioth, *ping* cloak for astharot please. https://launchpad.net/~gerardo
[10:33] <astharot> wow nice syntax :D
[10:52] <PriceChild> astharot, any reason for keeping your nick private?
[10:55] <PriceChild> jdong, j-dawg is in #ubuntu right now :O
[10:55] <astharot> nah not at all
[10:56] <astharot> should I turn private to off?
[11:21] <PriceChild> "should you have turned it on"
[11:21] <PriceChild> to me its one of those features that people see and think "uuu that looks cool, why not" and turn it on without reason, just because it is there.
[11:28] <PriceChild> something cool i just found out.... holding shift in xchat allows you to hilight timestamps with the text
[11:30] <ikonia> bonus
[11:35] <Tm_T> :(
[11:35] <Tm_T> irssi <3
[11:36] <PriceChild> hey smarter, how can i help?
[11:37] <smarter> hello
[11:37] <smarter> I'd like an ubuntu cloak
[11:37] <smarter> https://launchpad.net/~smarter
[11:37] <PriceChild> smarter, are you an ubuntu member?
[11:37] <smarter> PriceChild: Yes
[11:37] <PriceChild> good good
[11:37] <PriceChild> smarter, could you please ensure you have a secondary nick linked to this one, and an email set via nickserv
[11:37] <PriceChild> !register
[11:37] <ubotu> By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about  registering your Freenode nick can be found at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration
[11:38] <smarter> I think I've one
[11:38] <PriceChild> nalioth, *ping* cloak for smarter please, https://launchpad.net/~smarter
[11:38] <smarter> I check...
[11:38] <PriceChild> smarter, type "/msg nickserv info" to check
[11:39] <smarter> I've also registred smarter_
[11:39] <smarter> And my email is correctly set
[11:40] <PriceChild> smarter, is smarter_ listed on /msg nickserv info, under "Linked Nicks:" ??
[11:40] <smarter> PriceChild: yes
[11:40] <PriceChild> good good
[11:41] <PriceChild> smarter, you'll have to be patient now, the cloak should arrive shortly :)
[11:41] <smarter> PriceChild: thanks ;)
[11:41] <smarter> should I /quit this chan?
[11:42] <PriceChild> probs best you stick around until it is sorted
[11:42] <smarter> okay
[12:19] <ikonia> query is "moleprince" "dmole" from lasst night
[12:33] <Pici> PriceChild: ping, question about cloaks.
[12:33] <PriceChild> Hey?
[12:35] <Pici> Someone came in here yesterday requesting an Ubuntu cloak, but it turned out that they were only indirectly members of 'ubuntumembers', have we taken this into account for all cloaks given out?
[12:35] <Pici> I didnt even realize until yesterday that indirect memberships even existed.
[12:35] <astharot> it was me
[12:35] <astharot> :)
[12:36] <Pici> Oh, hay :)
[12:36] <Hobbsee> what's the problem about indirect memberships?
[12:37] <Pici> Not a problem, just a question.
[12:37] <Hobbsee> well, wha'ts the question then?
[12:37] <Hobbsee> as in, why does it matter?
[12:37] <Pici> Do indirect memberships to ubuntumembers qualify those people for ubuntu cloaks?
[12:38] <Hobbsee> yes.
[12:38] <Hobbsee> kubuntu membership == ubuntu membership == edubuntu memberhsip, etc
[12:38] <Hobbsee> seeing as we don't give out separate kubuntu cloaks
[12:39] <Daviey> Ubuntu membership should be harder than Kubuntu, to show that Ubuntu is better :D
[12:40] <Pici> Hobbsee: What about motus?
[12:40] <Hobbsee> they're members too
[12:41] <Hobbsee> Pici: they can get membership thru motu now
[12:41] <Pici> Well, then, I think that the irc-council should make sure that all their members know this.
[12:41] <Hobbsee> if they've made motu, they've definetly done the contribution side.
[12:41] <PriceChild> Pici, the motu team on launchpad is inside the ~ubuntumembers group on launchpad
[12:41] <Hobbsee> irc-council:  fix it, kthxbye.
[12:41] <PriceChild> as is kubuntumembets
[12:41] <PriceChild> *kubuntumembers
[12:41] <PriceChild> Pici, I'm not sure what you mean? whose members know what?
[12:42] <PriceChild> (going to exam in 10 mins so please be quick)
[12:43] <Pici> PriceChild: It could just have been a misunderstanding, but it my my impression that nal denied astharot a cloak yesterday because he was an indirect member of ubuntumembers
[12:44] <Pici> My connection was being a bit unstable, so it could just have been that I missed something though.
[12:44] <ubotu> atoponce called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[12:45]  * Pici opens a can of worms
[12:46] <PriceChild> Pici, ok well indirect membership *is* membership so will talk to nalioth about it when I get back :)
[12:46] <PriceChild> Pici, i know he's cloaked people with indirect membership before and we've talked about it
[12:48] <ikonia> what are the requirments for membership, they seem a little grey
[12:48] <Tm_T> PriceChild: Pici: like me for example
[12:48] <ikonia> from time to time they do I should say
[12:49] <PriceChild> ikonia, sustained contribution to ubuntu of around 3 months, can currently be applied for through the CC, KC or MC. You must also sign the CoC to agree to follow it.
[12:49] <ikonia> that seems basic enough
[12:49] <ikonia> define contribution though
[12:49] <Pici> 'seems'
[12:49] <PriceChild> ikonia, the idea is that soon other councils like forums and irc will be able to approve too
[12:49] <PriceChild> ikonia, *anything*
[12:49] <PriceChild> ikonia, loco's, code, artwork, support, etc. etc.
[12:50] <ikonia> PriceChild: ahh ok, so say a forum contributer would be potentially "ok"
[12:50] <ikonia> thats a wider net than I thought
[12:50] <Tm_T> ikonia: or just irc lurking
[12:50] <PriceChild> ikonia, forums council are about to go through the process to start being ok to approve
[12:50] <ikonia> very interesting
[12:50] <PriceChild> ikonia, yeah and i'm pretty sure its going to be a *lot* harder to be approved by them
[12:50] <PriceChild> it'll be mostly forum staff, team leaders etc. that go through that route
[12:51] <Pici> Does sabdfl sit on the other boards other than the CC? in terms of aproving members?
[12:51] <PriceChild> Pici, nope
[12:51] <PriceChild> and i think the CC are tired of approving members at meetings
[12:51] <PriceChild> so i doubt he'd wanna be ;)
[12:51] <Pici> Interesting.
[12:51] <Hobbsee> no
[12:51] <Hobbsee> Pici:
[12:51] <PriceChild> well not tired then, but want to spend time on more important matters
[12:51] <Pici> Hobbsee:
[12:51] <Hobbsee> Pici: he's on the tech board
[12:51] <Pici> Hobbsee: Do those approve members?
[12:51] <PriceChild> Hobbsee, they don't approve members do they?
[12:51] <Hobbsee> speaking of which, it would be nice if one of them actually looked at irc
[12:51] <Hobbsee> no, they don't.
[12:52] <jussi01> Tm_T: whoops, wasnt thinking there.
[12:52] <Pici> Well, my question was only regarding memberships.  ;)
[12:52] <Tm_T> jussi01: :-P
[12:52]  * Hobbsee attempts to poke
[12:52] <PriceChild> fail
[12:53] <Hobbsee> no, it appears i've passed
[12:53] <Hobbsee> whether he'll do it or not...i've no idea
[12:53] <Pici> !test | Hobbsee
[12:53] <ubotu> Hobbsee: Failed.
[12:54] <Pici> ubotu has spoken.
[12:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about has spoken. - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:54]  * PriceChild resists
[12:54] <Hobbsee> yay, success!
[12:55] <PriceChild> I'm off, back in a couple of hours
[12:56] <PriceChild> hopefully nal will be back around that time too
[12:56] <jussi01> have a good exam PriceChild
[12:56] <Pici> Good luck
[13:05] <Daviey> :`( @ Hobbsee
[13:07] <Tm_T> Daviey: yes?
[13:07] <Daviey> Tm_T: yep
[13:40] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, erawfish said: !Ops Poobleo is a spammer
[13:40] <dgjones> can somebody have a look at <Poobleo> Finnaly finished my project -> http://tinyurl.com/34vk45 in #ubuntu, 2nd time posted in the channel
[13:41] <ikonia> is this just spam ?
[13:41] <ikonia> coooh never mind, just re-read
[13:42] <dgjones> thanks elkbuntu
[13:42] <elkbuntu> yes, it's some 'get people to click here to advance' kinda game thing. i had to check it wasnt just some clueless idiot
[13:42] <Hobbsee> as long as it wasn't on nimp.
[13:43] <Dave2> he's gone, anyway.
[13:43] <Dave2> (from the network, that is)
[13:43]  * Tm_T hugs elkbuntu
[13:44] <elkbuntu> Dave2, courtesy a free k-ticket?
[13:44] <Dave2> indeed
[13:46]  * elkbuntu wishes there was a way to preemptively k-ticket the romneybots :)
[13:46] <ikonia> I like the phrase k-ticket
[13:46] <elkbuntu> ikonia, yep. it goes non-stop to hell
[13:46] <Hobbsee> chuga chuga chuga chuga chuga chuga choo choo!!!
[13:47] <Pici> !train
[13:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about train - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[13:47] <ikonia> fed up of people in ubuntu "the windblows attitude of needing to reboot"
[13:47] <ikonia> there is nothing wrong with requiring a reboot, kernel updates require reboots
[13:47] <elkbuntu> ikonia, i'm fed up with any idiotic mash of windows or microsoft to be honest
[13:48]  * jussi01 seconds that
[13:48] <ikonia> just people trying to sound anti-microsoft for no reason
[13:48] <ikonia> "wow the MS solution of rebooting"
[13:48] <elkbuntu> i can tolerate MS, since it's an abbreviation, but the rest i hate
[13:48] <ikonia> he had to reboot - he did a kernel update
[13:48] <Dave2> elkbuntu, if you really want to make people fear it, you tell 'em it's going... to Hull :O
[13:48]  * Hobbsee just calls it 'doze.
[13:48] <ikonia> winblows M$ etc etc etc
[13:48]  * Dave2 hides from any Hull residents.
[13:48] <ikonia> Dave2: onl a uk guy would get that
[13:48] <elkbuntu> Dave2, i was thinking /dev/null personally
[13:48] <ikonia> only
[13:48] <ikonia> hull is worse !
[13:49] <elkbuntu> yes, but people will at least *get* it
[13:49] <elkbuntu> although, you brits could do /dev/hull and it'd probably be got
[13:50] <elkbuntu> anyway, the reason i hate the anti-MS stuff is because it makes our people seem as bad as their people
[13:52] <ikonia> exactly
[13:52] <Pici> There was a good post on planet-u a while back from someone basically telling everyone to cut it out.
[13:53] <ikonia> and rightly so
[13:55] <elkbuntu> whilever we have people in certain FOSS projects bagging the heck out of other FOSS projects, we'll never stop the bagging of Microsoft
[13:56] <ikonia> just tired of it, especially when the people saying it don't actually know why they are saying it, just because they think it's cool
[13:57] <elkbuntu> yep, like 'micro$haft will die and we will rule teh world!' kinda crap
[13:57] <ikonia> so tired of it
[13:57] <elkbuntu> like hello, replacing one homogenous global network with another is just stupid
[13:58] <jussi01> I can ha cheeseburger az well?
[13:58] <elkbuntu> so effing stupid it'd be laughable if it weren't such a dangerous notion
[13:58] <ikonia> Pici: thank you, that was me being stupid
[13:59] <ikonia> Pici: I was actually going for "flashissues" but was just scrappy
[14:05] <mneptok> i love those generous homos.
[14:06] <mneptok> always skipping up and throwing decent taste and assorted fabulousness.
[14:24] <jughead> hey can I get a check please?
[14:26] <Mez> jughead, one sec
[14:29] <Mez> where are you banned form jughead?
[14:29] <jughead> #ubuntu
[14:30] <Mez> unbanned.... thanks LjL
[14:30] <Mez> I guess my script isn't working
[14:30] <jughead> thanks Mez
[14:39] <elkbuntu> LjL, you ought to put that 'if you really want to try un-b0rk your automatix-violated machine' stuff into a factoid if it's not already
[14:40] <ikonia> despite how good LjL suggestion is, a clean install is the best way to be certain they are on a standard platform
[14:40] <ikonia> they can mess up peoples advice
[14:40] <ikonia> and waste others time trying to help them a.) fix it b.) get support on a borked platform
[14:40] <LjL> elkbuntu, not really because on one hand, i'm really unsure it's enough, and on the other, debsums *always* gives a lot of errors about legitimate packages, so it really involves a lot of manual trickery to do it correctly
[14:41] <LjL> if we had better tools, it would be more feasible, and months ago we were actually thinking of an automated procedure to get rid of third party stuff
[14:41] <LjL> but the tools are just missing, the integrity-check blueprint is not in place yet
[15:24] <ubotu> Jack_Sparrow called the ops in #ubuntu (Phap)
[15:59] <astharot> uhm my cloak needs an update :P
[16:00] <PriceChild> astharot, hmm?
[16:02] <astharot> see my cloak
[16:02] <PriceChild> astharot, what's wrong with it?
[16:03] <astharot> i'm here to get a ubuntu/member one
[16:03] <LjL> err... you *have* one.
[16:03] <astharot> ah sorry
[16:03] <PriceChild> astharot, do you not want the pdpc bit?
[16:03] <astharot> uhm
[16:03] <astharot> it's not that I don't want it's that I'm not a supporter anymore :)
[16:03] <PriceChild> pdpc and freenode cloaks stack
[16:03] <astharot> it's not... "fair" ?
[16:03] <LjL> PriceChild: don't show off your cloak... it's ridiculous enough :P
[16:04] <PriceChild> LjL, was just giving an example
[16:04] <PriceChild> that he's not hte only one
[16:04] <PriceChild> astharot, ah right, if you're no longer donating then might be polite to inform a staffer :)
[16:04] <LjL> PriceChild: yeah but your cloak is hilarious still
[16:04] <PriceChild> LjL, how's it hilarious?
[16:04] <no0tic> LjL, why?
[16:05] <astharot> PriceChild: where to ask?
[16:05] <LjL> astharot: indeed, we don't have much to do with pdpc cloaks. you have an ubuntu member cloak, that's what competes to us... for pdpc, inform staff
[16:05] <LjL> PriceChild: in #freenode, or to /stats p
[16:05] <PriceChild> astharot, see above
[16:05] <astharot> ok
[16:06] <LjL> no0tic, PriceChild<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:08] <astharot> [17:08] * p :0 staff members
[16:08] <astharot> [17:08] * p :End of /STATS report :\
[16:08] <PriceChild> astharot, patience then :)
[16:08] <PriceChild> irc may be real-time, but people aren't always availiable
[16:09] <astharot> yep i know
[16:09] <astharot> I'm waiting on freenode :)
[16:09]  * Dave2 finds himself highlighted
[16:09] <PriceChild> astharot, ask this guy ^ 8-)
[16:10] <astharot> hello Dave2, can you please remove pdpc supporter status on my cloak?
[16:11] <Dave2> sure
[16:11] <astharot> thank you
[16:11] <Dave2> done
[16:12] <astharot> thank you again
[16:12] <PriceChild> Anything else we can help with astharot?
[16:12] <astharot> nah dun think so :D
[16:12] <PriceChild> Ariel_Eran, PreZ, how can I help?
[16:13] <LjL> PriceChild: prez is redirected here from other channels
[16:13] <Pici> Hrm?
[16:13] <PriceChild> wraund, Can I help? Last time I saw you spoke on irc was when you wanted a cloak months and months ago and I'm not sure what you're up to :)
[16:21] <wraund> PriceChild: i had a freenode staffer i know amend my cloak :)
[16:21] <PriceChild> wraund, pardon?
[16:21] <wraund> PriceChild: freenode staffer..
[16:22] <wraund> changed my cloak
[16:23] <PriceChild> wraund, after an "ok" by one of the ubuntu irc council in here.
[16:23] <PriceChild> Not sure what relevance this has to anything?
[16:23] <wraund> 16:13 +     PriceChild : wraund, Can I help? Last time I saw you spoke on irc was when you wanted a  cloak months and months ago and I'm not sure what you're up to :)
[16:23] <ikonia> colchester lug, thats the same one Gary is part of
[16:23] <wraund> yeah
[16:23] <Pici> wraund: I think the question is: What are you still doing here then?
[16:23] <wraund> Gary changed it for me
[16:24] <wraund> oh
[16:24] <wraund> its on my autojoin list i think
[16:24] <wraund> #ubuntu-ops
[16:25] <Pici> wraund: I dont mean to sound rude, but we like to keep this place as free of idlers as possible.  All the people here have a reason to be here.  That way we know who needs to be helped, and who doesnt.
[16:26] <wraund> ah ok no problem
[16:26] <Pici> See /topic regarding idlers etc.
[16:27] <Pici> astharot: see my above discussion with wraund as well :)
[16:27] <astharot> Pici: just ask :) bye
[17:00] <no0tic> any freenode staffer around?
[17:03] <jussi01> no0tic: do /stats p
[17:04] <no0tic> jussi01, nobody :)
[17:04] <jussi01> no0tic: )
[17:05] <no0tic> but I _know_ they are :)
[17:09] <LjL> what's the matter no0tic
[17:16] <no0tic> there's a channel named #ubuntu-it-unofficial and, as the name says, it's not official :) I pleased the owner to drop the channel and register ##ubuntu-it-unofficial if he'd like, they started offending me
[17:17] <no0tic> s/pleased/requested gently/ :)
[17:17] <PriceChild> no0tic, stuff like that should be in -irc, and please get the #ubuntu-it (or ljl) to request it
[17:17] <PriceChild> *the #ubuntu-it contact
[17:17] <jdong> s/requested gently/threatened with a staffer/g? :)
[17:18] <no0tic> PriceChild, sorry :)
[17:18] <PriceChild> no0tic, no need to be :)
[17:19] <no0tic> PriceChild, anyway I'm not the #ubuntu-it contact only for bureaucratic reasons, I'll soon be, when our LoCoTeam Council will give it to me
[17:20] <PriceChild> fun fun fun
[17:20] <LjL> no0tic: ssssht.
[17:20] <ikonia> why is #ubuntu-it-unofficial a problem ?
[17:20] <PriceChild> no0tic, is there a loco council now?
[17:20] <LjL> PriceChild: course
[17:20] <no0tic> PriceChild, yes
[17:21] <PriceChild> Wow didn't know it had finally been created.
[17:21] <PriceChild> When did that go infront of the CC?
[17:21] <jussi01> hmmm, anyone know of a factoid that explains why we dont have the latest version of everything? !worksforme is good, but is there something better?
[17:21] <jdong> !jdongisonvacation?
[17:21] <jdong> ;-)
[17:21] <ikonia> there is something like !bleedingedge
[17:21] <LjL> -> #ubuntu-irc
[17:21] <ikonia> !latest
[17:21] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[17:21] <ikonia> there you go
[17:22] <jussi01> ikonia: thats just !worksforme aliased...
[17:22] <ikonia> oh
[17:22] <jdong> but the real explanation is something along the lines of me not having my backports ransom...
[17:22] <ikonia> it does explain why
[17:22] <PriceChild> no0tic, LjL, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeams/LoCoCouncil says its not done yet?
[17:22] <no0tic> PriceChild, our LoCoTeam is already official, we have mdke in our loco council ;)
[17:22] <LjL> PriceChild, he meant the *italian* loco council
[17:22] <PriceChild> ahhhhhhh :)
[17:22] <LjL> which is the equivalent of the community council for the italian team
[17:22] <PriceChild> That makes more sense.
[17:26] <kojiro> Hi, could someone please keep an eye on ra, I think he may be trolling
[17:26] <kojiro> thanks :)
[17:26] <PriceChild> kojiro, we're there :)
[17:27] <LjL> PriceChild: well, i'm only there because he said "ops" to begin with ;)(
[17:27] <kojiro> good to know
[17:27] <LjL> kojiro, there's !ops for emergency (though in that case it probably wasn't entirely justified)
[17:27] <kojiro> danke schoen
[17:27] <PriceChild> LjL, i had just caps'd him
[17:27] <jussi01> Hmm, what do people think of yao_ziyuan in #k?
[17:27] <LjL> PriceChild: ah right, though he did
[17:27] <LjL> thought
[17:28] <LjL> jussi01, what about him? slightly offtopic?
[17:28] <jussi01> LjL: hes been slightly offtopic for days...
[17:28] <jussi01> several times, "suggestions"
[17:28] <jussi01> Ive refered him to !bug
[17:33] <stdin> jussi01: do what I do, remind them that it's a support channel not a "complain about every little thing" channel
[17:35] <ikonia> little help guys
[17:36] <ikonia> chaps couple of trolls buildiong up
[17:36] <ikonia> stamp on it early pelase ?
[17:36] <ikonia> please ?
[17:41] <ikonia> craytruckish is back in #ubuntu
[17:41] <ubotu> Daviey called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[17:41] <ubotu> ikonia called the ops in #ubuntu (CrazyTurkish)
[17:41] <nalioth> klined
[17:41] <ikonia> ta
[17:42] <Dave2> stupid tab completion.
[17:42] <stdin>  EvilToaster<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu < interesting nickname
[17:42] <stdin> wait, missread that with a dirty mind :p
[17:42] <ikonia> as did I
[17:43] <Dave2> Somehow I didn't.
[17:43] <stdin> now I just want toast
[17:45] <ikonia> Crazymethjesus: crazyturkish again ?
[17:45] <mneptok> not unless he's connecting through Finland
[17:46] <ikonia> just checking
[17:46] <ikonia> seemed a conincidence
[17:46] <ikonia> I couldn't see turks ip so couldn't be certain
[18:37] <ubotu> FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join)
[18:37] <ubotu> FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join)
[18:38] <stdin> floodbot2 is insisting on -Rrm
[18:43] <LjL> stdin: yes there is a bug there somewhere
[18:43] <LjL> stdin: it *is* supposed to enforce -rRmi whenever someone else does, to make server desync as unlikely as possible
[18:43] <LjL> but it insisted a tad too much
[18:44] <LjL> also it really shouldn't set -r when i only set -R
[18:44] <LjL> although it's intended to do that... but seeing it happening, i now realize it's not a good idea
[18:44] <mneptok> LjL: i just de-opped you, assuming you had forgotten you were +o. no offense.
[18:44] <stdin> It started after your -R
[18:45] <LjL> mneptok: i hadn't, i usually stay opped for a while after an attack
[18:45] <ubotu> Arelis called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic ()
[18:45] <LjL> stdin: yes, it's what they're supposed to do - "parrot" your -r or +R in order to make sure it propagates to all servers (since it did happen in the past that it wouldn't, and that's *not* nice)
[18:45] <LjL> they've just been too insistful about it
[18:47] <LjL> err, s/+R/-R/
[20:14] <Pricey> gah leave my laptop alone for an hour in the other room, go back and its frozen and its 'L' key is half broken
[20:15] <Seeker`> Pricey: what happened?
[20:15] <Seeker`> and is it now a _ key? or a |?
[20:15] <Pricey> no Idea, think its fixed now though
[20:15] <Pricey> hehe
[20:16] <Seeker`> PriceChild: did you have a good chrsitmas / new year?
[20:19] <PriceChild> yeah was cool, had a BBQ at new years with some family
[20:19] <Pici> How was the exam?
[20:20] <PriceChild> better than expected, 2 down, 3 to go
[20:28]  * Seeker` has exams next week :(
[20:38] <ompaul> Seeker`, in two weeks you will have others in the future and those in the past
[20:48] <Seeker`> ompaul: but the ones in the future are far enough away not to worry about
[20:49] <PriceChild> Its not the exams you should worry about anyway
[20:49] <PriceChild> You should prepare for exams
[20:49] <ikonia> the results ?
[20:49] <PriceChild> its the results you worry about
[20:49] <ikonia> worry about them
[20:49] <ompaul> ikonia, worry about facts?
[20:49] <ompaul> na
[20:49] <ompaul> there is no worry
[20:49] <ikonia> you are not yoda
[20:50] <ikonia> do, or do not, there is no try
[20:50] <ompaul> ikonia, have you been in -ot cos I did a serious brain melt on people in there
[20:50] <ompaul> :)
[20:50] <mneptok> https://launchpad.net/~mneptok
[20:50] <ikonia> I was lurking in there for most of today, but I've had a reasonably busy day so not kept track
[20:50] <ikonia> ompaul: I'll last log it
[20:51] <ikonia> mneptok: well I never
[20:51] <mneptok> yes, padawan?
[20:51] <mneptok> ;)
[20:52] <ikonia> I've just shaved my obi-wan beard off
[20:52] <ikonia> well, I did on sunday night
[20:52] <mneptok> i'd shave mine off, but the razor burn on my butt is annoying.
[20:52] <ikonia> ha ha ha ha
[20:53] <mneptok> k, shift's over. monkey go home.
[20:54] <ompaul> mneptok, enjoy
[20:54] <ikonia> byeeee
[20:54] <ompaul> mneptok, or you could say ---- nuts
[20:57] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, RyanPrior said: !apple is <reply> the company who makes the !macbook and the !iPod, among other products. These are generally compatible with Ubuntu. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOnMac for more details.
[21:37] <elektronik123> witam
[21:38] <PriceChild> Hi elektronik123, how can I help?
[21:38] <elektronik123> who is op on #ubuntu-pl ?
[21:38] <Jack_Sparrow> He was banned
[21:39] <PriceChild> elektronik123, did you see who banned/kicked you? You should pm them, or someone else listed on /msg chanserv access #ubuntu-pl list
[21:39] <elektronik123> ju-rek
[21:40] <PriceChild> elektronik123, well message him and try to come to an agreement with him :)
[21:40] <elektronik123> i don`t remember ?
[21:41] <elektronik123> ops
[21:41] <elektronik123> with out ?
[21:41] <PriceChild> pardon?
[21:41] <Perdente> what?
[21:41] <elektronik123> my english is not good
[21:41] <PriceChild> Perdente, hello?
[21:41] <PriceChild> elektronik123, if ju-rek banned you, then talk to him.
[21:42] <Perdente> hey, I think I might be in the right channel, I was looking for an ubuntu channel about helping create modules for ubuntu apps, or working on ubuntu, do you know what a good one would be?
[21:42] <Perdente> err, *wrong channel
[21:42] <elektronik123> can you read the access list on #ubuntu-pl ?
[21:43] <jpatrick> elektronik123: I can
[21:43] <PriceChild> elektronik123, yes. Who banned you? You said ju-rek?
[21:43] <PriceChild> Perdente, the /topic normally helps ;)
[21:43] <PriceChild> !participate | Perdente
[21:43] <ubotu> Perdente: To contribute and help out with Ubuntu, see http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate
[21:43] <elektronik123> yes
[21:43] <Perdente> haha.. thanks, sorry about that
[21:43] <PriceChild> Perdente, I would assume you want #ubuntu-motu if that link doesn't help :)
[21:43] <PriceChild> elektronik123, then talk to him.
[21:44] <elektronik123> but i don`t remember
[21:44] <Perdente> thanks guys will do, didn't mean to bother y'all
[21:44] <PriceChild> Perdente, good luck, looking forward to seeing your contributions :)
[21:44] <elektronik123>  ju-rek :No such nick/channel
[21:44] <PriceChild> elektronik123, give me a minute to find someone for you to talk to.
[21:44] <elektronik123> not good
[21:45] <elektronik123> ok
[21:45] <jpatrick> elektronik123: can you see the access list?
[21:45] <elektronik123> no
[21:45] <jpatrick> elektronik123: here you go http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/3382/
[21:45] <elektronik123> i am normal user
[21:46] <PriceChild> jpatrick, he can see it perfectly fine.
[21:47] <elektronik123> i have block before Christmas
[21:47] <PriceChild> elektronik123, please be patient.
[21:48] <elektronik123> ok
[21:48] <elektronik123> i`m wait
[21:49] <ompaul> elektronik123, please talk with pressenter - as this is the person who banned you - #ubuntu-pl is not a ubuntu irc council controlled channel
[21:49] <ompaul> PriceChild, sorted
[21:49] <ompaul> there ya go
[21:55] <ompaul> elektronik123, this is not the channel for resolving that - we have asked someone to inform you of what you must do, I think there is nothing else we can do for you
[22:27] <ubotu> Flare183 called the ops in #ubuntu (aladdinsane)
[23:24] <pressenter> PriceChild: Message recieved, but i will not take elektronik123 ban off.
[23:25] <PriceChild> pressenter, have you talked to him about it? Thanks very much for dealing with the issue.
[23:25] <pressenter> PriceChild: He's gone now, but i will talko with him if he comes up again.
[23:26] <PriceChild> pressenter, thanks, I think another op talked to him also.
[23:26] <pressenter> He's very annoying, what he has proven today, that's why the ban stays.
[23:26] <LjL> hello FlintPearce
[23:26] <FlintPearce> Hello all
[23:27] <LjL> pressenter, you're entirely entitled to decide which bans stay, no need to justify anything to us... it's just that the guy came to complain here
[23:27] <FlintPearce> I got told to join this room as my from my ISP there is a lot of spam. I was attempting to join #ubuntu as my friend has a problem with his LiveCD of 7.10
[23:27] <LjL> FlintPearce: i will let you join #ubuntu momentarily
[23:27] <FlintPearce> Thanks you
[23:28] <pressenter> LjL: I know, it's just that i feel kind of stupid because of this whole situation. Never had such user before, he was writing to almost everyone he could.
[23:28] <LjL> some people are like that *sigh*
[23:32] <FlintPearce> Btw, how could I join the Ubuntu room without having to come into this channel and ask someone to redirect?
[23:33] <PriceChild> FlintPearce, are you on a dynamic ip?
[23:34] <FlintPearce> Yes  (ashamed)
[23:34] <PriceChild> ashamed?
[23:34] <PriceChild> oh is that an isp?
[23:35] <FlintPearce> No im just ashamed, I asked my mum to get Static. Pfft didn't listen
[23:35] <FlintPearce> My ISP is Iberbanda
[23:35] <PriceChild> LjL, shall we maybe put an exempt on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>instead?
[23:35] <nalioth> PriceChild: go for it
[23:35] <FlintPearce> Im no spammer rest assure :D
[23:36] <FlintPearce> Thank you all.
[23:36] <PriceChild> FlintPearce, you shouldn't have any problem anymore, as long as your username remains "flint".
[23:36] <FlintPearce> Ok. Thanks.
[23:36] <LjL> PriceChild: yes
[23:36] <PriceChild> Exempts are really clever, I've never had to do one before.
[23:36] <FlintPearce> Have a good day :D
[23:36] <LjL> they're not malicious most likely
[23:37] <PriceChild> You too.
[23:37] <LjL> i mean the 83's
[23:37] <LjL> it's the first who's actually a legitimate user :)
[23:38] <PriceChild> and he read a topic!!!
[23:38] <PriceChild> How unlikely is that
[23:40] <PriceChild> This laptop has a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge shift key
[23:40] <PriceChild> its literally that long
[23:40] <PriceChild> and you know what they say about the size of your shift key!
[23:42] <LjL> PriceChild: unlikely enough that he deserves every exempt he asks for ;)
[23:43] <PriceChild> :)
[23:44] <ardchoille> PriceChild: hahahaha
[23:46] <ardchoille> PriceChild: Warn us before you say stuff like that.. I almost fell out of my chair.
[23:47] <PriceChild> "big shift key, smaller amount of other keys"
[23:48] <LjL> ardchoille: ouch, we forgot "Fasten seat belt when entering this channel" from the topic
[23:48] <PriceChild> WARNING! The following topics are o4o (offtopic for ops).....
[23:50] <ardchoille> LjL: Indeed :)
[23:54] <PriceChild> I think we should lift the prez ban.
[23:59] <LjL> PriceChild: reason=
[23:59] <LjL> ?
[23:59] <PriceChild> and if not lift, then remove the forward...
[23:59] <PriceChild> PreZ, can i help you?