[00:06] <pragmaticenigma> foo: it's possible that your Mac is seeing your CUPS service running. CUPS also broadcasts a beacon to enable printer sharing
[00:08] <foo> pragmaticenigma: aha! Great idea, just disabled
[01:06] <laertus_> how can i find out what version of glibc various versions of ubuntu have?
[01:07] <laertus> for instance, i'd like to know what version of glibc ubuntu 18.04 has
[01:07] <laertus> (but without having to do anything from within ubuntu.. as i need to know this before i start or even choose an ubuntu VM)
[01:10] <oerheks> launchpad?
[01:10] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/glibc/+packages
[01:11] <laertus> trying to open that link gives me a 404
[01:12] <oerheks> hit f5?
[01:12] <oerheks> here it works
[01:13] <MrTux889> here it works too
[01:13] <Bashing-om> laertus: https://launchpad.net/glibc/+packages opens here too :D
[01:17] <RoseBus> i wish my laptop had a larger hard drive... having dual boot sux bc windows takes so much
[01:17] <RoseBus> maybe i should just get rid of windows all together on my laptop
[01:18] <oerheks> we promise we do not tell anybody you wiped windows.
[01:18] <lotuspsychje> lol
[01:18] <RoseBus> lol
[01:18] <MrTux889> :-)
[01:19] <RoseBus> also logitech doesn't support linux for this mouse i bought
[01:19] <RoseBus> wtf
[01:20] <RoseBus> you would think a name like "logitech" would have linux drivers
[01:21] <oerheks> i have not seen any logitech that has no basic support.
[01:21] <oerheks> maybe button 3-12 ..
[01:22] <RoseBus> well the designed a "bluetooth" mouse
[01:22] <RoseBus> but it wont pair
[01:22] <RoseBus> i have to use universal pair usb thing
[01:23] <RoseBus> so it "works"
[01:23] <RoseBus> but not bluetooth...
[01:23] <oerheks> i use the bluez ppa on 18.04, for these connection issues
[01:25] <RoseBus> okay i will look into that
[01:26] <RoseBus> i spent an hour trying to get this damn thing to pair the other day with help on here and it kept failing
[01:26] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/~bluetooth/+archive/ubuntu/bluez
[01:26] <oerheks> 5.50
[01:27] <lotuspsychje> blueman to the rescue
[01:39] <AssociateX> Hello wonderful people. I installed Ubuntu 18.04 and I am now having no luck with getting photos off my phone onto my laptop. I'm using Dolphin and Gwenview, but neither display the device or show that either sees it. When I plug my phone in with USB my desktop notifies me but I'm unable to open the phone. Plasma with a brand spanking new install.
[01:39] <AssociateX> Previously the connection worked.
[01:39] <AssociateX> ...on the old install.
[01:40] <AssociateX> Also, I meant Kubuntu 18.04.2, if that matters.
[01:40] <lotuspsychje> AssociateX: update system first to 18.04.4
[01:41] <AssociateX> lotuspsychje how do I check for that via CLI>
[01:41] <AssociateX> ?*
[01:41] <lotuspsychje> !uptodate | AssociateX
[01:50] <AssociateX> lotuspsychje done. What is the method for proving that out?
[01:51] <lotuspsychje> AssociateX: reboot and lsb_release -a && uname -a
[01:52] <AssociateX> 18.04.4
[01:52] <lotuspsychje> AssociateX: did you enable dev mode on your phone?
[01:52] <AssociateX> Thank you, btw.
[01:54] <AssociateX> lotuspsychje I did not change anything on the phone. I crashed my distro yesterday, my fault, but before that on 18.10 the phone connected no problem, or the desktop connected to the phone no problem, however that should be looked at.
[01:55] <lotuspsychje> AssociateX: journalctl -f and plug in your phone to your system, and pastebin us the logs output please
[02:00] <AssociateX> lotuspsychje https://pastebin.com/X8Nk8dHJ
[02:01] <lotuspsychje> AssociateX: did you swipe open your phone? did you try several usb ports?
[02:02] <lotuspsychje> AssociateX: mtp-probe[10942]: bus: 1, device: 26 was not an MTP device is usually not a good error
[02:03] <AssociateX> lotuspsychje I did swipe open the phone. I also tried more than one USB port.
[02:04] <AssociateX> I am very certain that it is an MTP device.
[02:04] <lotuspsychje> AssociateX: yeah i know you said it worked before, just saying the error isnt good
[02:05] <lotuspsychje> AssociateX: im not familliar with plasma myself, but wasnt there an app that connects to phone on there?
[02:05] <AssociateX> Yes
[02:05] <AssociateX> KDE connect
[02:05] <lotuspsychje> AssociateX: ah yes, no dice there neither?
[02:06] <AssociateX> lotuspsychje that app is installed.
[02:07] <AssociateX> I will look at the KDE settings more and see if I missed something.
[02:10] <AssociateX> There is a KDE wiki for their connect app
[02:10] <AssociateX> bbl
[02:23] <AssociateX> lotuspsychje check out what lsusb gave me: Bus 001 Device 036: ID 1004:631e LG Electronics, Inc. G2/Optimus Android Phone [Camera/PTP mode]
[02:26] <oerheks> bus: 1, device: 26 was not an MTP device ..
[02:28] <oerheks> sounds like an issue with the phone, restart it perhaps?
[02:28] <AssociateX> oerheks I see that, although I thought that it was MTP, lsusb indicates PTP.
[02:34] <AssociateX> I got the phone through T-mobile and it says the phone is MTP https://www.t-mobile.com/support/devices/android/lg-g6/tech-specs-lg-g6
[02:34] <AssociateX> I'm going to restart it.
[02:38] <oerheks> yes, and check the usb thingy steps again
[02:38] <r15> hi, Unable to locate package linux-image-extra-4.4.0-177-generic
[02:38] <r15> i am using 16.04
[02:39] <r15> 16.04.6 LTS Unable to locate package linux-image-extra-4.4.0-177-generic
[02:40] <Bashing-om> !info linux-image-generic xenial
[02:40] <oerheks> run sudo apt-get update first?
[02:41] <r15> apt-get update is already done, i have current kernel as 4.4.0-177
[02:41] <oerheks> current is <IP_ADDRESS>.185
[02:41] <r15> for one of the dependency i need linux-image-extra-4.4.0-177-generic
[02:42] <oerheks> -extra-  ?
[02:42] <oerheks> there is modules-extra..
[02:43] <oerheks> what package needs that?
[02:44] <r15>  https://ubuntu.bigbluebutton.org/bbb-install.sh is failing
[02:44] <r15> for one of the dependency i need linux-image-extra-4.4.0-177-generic
[02:46] <r15> https://paste.debian.net/1139652/
[02:48] <r15> this is the /etc/apt/sources.list  > https://paste.debian.net/1139653/
[02:49] <r15> resolved.. purged some pkgs.
[02:49] <r15> now it's working fine. Thanks.
[02:50] <oerheks> oh oke, have fuN!
[02:50] <r15> Thanks for the help oerheks
[02:50] <r15> Thanks #ubuntu
[02:55] <AssociateX> oerheks lsusb indicates PTP and journalctl -f bus: 1, device: 12 was not an MTP device
[02:56] <oerheks> so, that crash messed up.
[02:58] <AssociateX> oerheks I'm on a completely new install of kubuntu.
[03:00] <AssociateX> oerheks Now I'm getting suspicious, this says PTP as well: https://devicehunt.com/view/type/usb/vendor/1004/device/631E
[03:01] <Ascavasaion> Could someone please tell me how I would check a USB flashdrive for errors?  Its on /dev/sdc    Would sudo fsck ntfs -l /dev/sdc work?
[03:03] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilesystemTroubleshooting
[03:03] <oerheks> seems down here, 503
[03:05] <oerheks> ntfsfix /dev/sdc .. or probably sdc1 ..
[03:06] <oerheks> you are trying to filecheck your phone?
[03:17] <Jordan_U> Ascavasaion: What kind of errors are you looking to find? Are you trying to fix them also?
[03:30] <Jordan_U> Ascavasaion: There is no proper fsck for ntfs filesystems on linux. If you really need to repair an ntfs filesystem, or even just check it thoroughly, you need to use Windows unfortunately.
[03:40] <Ascavasaion> Jordan_U: I am happy to lose any information on it.
[03:41] <Jordan_U> Ascavasaion: What is your goal here? What happened to the drive / filesystem?
[03:42] <Ascavasaion> Wifetold me it has errors, I formated it and all seemed okay.  I did not do a thorough erasing format though.
[03:43] <Jordan_U> Ascavasaion: Any idea what led her to say that it "has errors"? "Having errors" can mean a lot of different things.
[04:16] <realies> how can you enable the conntrack kernel module?
[04:22] <pavlos> realies: sudo apt install conntrack
[04:23] <realies> pavlos, not seeing it in lsmod
[04:23] <realies> trying to get telegraf's conntrack input working, but [inputs.conntrack] Error in plugin: Conntrack input failed to collect metrics. Is the conntrack kernel module loaded?
[04:24] <realies> grep '^CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK=' /boot/config-"$(uname -r)" says CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK=m
[04:25] <pavlos> realies: I installed conntrack on a test machine, it is booting now ... I'll check lsmod
[04:26] <oerheks> conntrack -L # gives something?
[04:27] <realies> conntrack v1.4.4 (conntrack-tools): Operation failed: sorry, you must be root or get CAP_NET_ADMIN capability to do this
[04:27] <oerheks> or run `conntrack -E' and generate traffic
[04:27] <realies> conntrack v1.4.4 (conntrack-tools): Can't open handler
[04:27] <realies> oh
[04:28] <pavlos> realies: sudo modprobe ip_conntrack
[04:28] <pavlos> realies: then lsmod | grep conn shows modules
[04:29] <realies> pavlos thank you so much, is that persistent or I need to modify the boot parms?
[04:30] <snappy> i'm using ubuntu 18.04; when i load the terminal app i get a bash prompt but it doesn't read my ~/.bash_profile - is there any reason for this?
[04:32] <realies> maybe this echo ip_conntrack >> /etc/modules
[04:34] <pavlos> realies: there is also nf_conntrack module ... there should be a daemon, conntrackd but have not found it yet ...
[04:36] <realies> what would the daemon do?
[04:36] <AssociateX> So, my phone is MTP capable. At this point I think that I'm having trouble with udev or some other permissions.
[04:40] <realies> pavlos, the conntrackd package installs the daemon
[04:40] <realies> and seemingly loads the modules too
[04:41] <pavlos> realies: found it sudo apt install conntrackd then a service is created
[04:41] <realies> :)
[04:59] <AssociateX> How can I find out which /dev/ is my phone?
[04:59] <AssociateX> it's plugged in via usb
[05:01] <exit70> AssociateX: check the output of `dmesg`?
[05:05] <AssociateX> exit70 usb 1-3: Product: LG-H872, so which one would that be in /dev?
[05:08] <exit70> hmm maybe the second top answer in https://superuser.com/questions/361885/how-do-i-figure-out-which-dev-is-a-usb-flash-drive
[05:12] <rnat2> AssociateX: tried jmptfs -l ?
[05:23] <AssociateX> exit70 I think udev is the problem, that's why I want to find the device in /dev  chmod it to 777
[05:23] <AssociateX> rnat2 installing now.
[05:25] <AssociateX> rnat2 https://pastebin.com/B6HfzSWK
[05:26] <rnat2> mkdir -p ~/mnt ; fusermount -u ~/mnt
[05:26] <rnat2> AssociateX:
[05:27] <rnat2> followed by jmtpfs ~/mnt
[05:27] <eHAPPY> ive got ~1000 files i need to increase the name on by 1; eg 0212.jpeg needs to become 0213.jpeg could i do this in bash or is there an easier way
[05:30] <AssociateX> rnat2 fusermount: entry for /home/me/mnt not found in /etc/mtab
[05:30] <AssociateX> ~/mnt does exist now, btw
[05:31] <rnat2> AssociateX: cat /etc/fuse.conf
[05:31] <rnat2> output
[05:32] <AssociateX> rnat2 there are a few lines, but every line is commented out
[05:33] <rnat2> uncomment #user_allow_other
[05:33] <AssociateX> https://pastebin.com/xsfsrSAF
[05:34] <rnat2> AssociateX: uncomment #user_allow_other
[05:34] <rnat2>  then fusermount -u ~/mnt
[05:34] <AssociateX> new install, installing vim right now.
[05:38] <AssociateX> rnat2 I uncommented that line, :wq vim, verified with cat, ran fusermount -u ~/mnt gives fusermount: entry for /home/me/mnt not found in /etc/mtab
[05:39] <rnat2> AssociateX: try sudo fusermount -u ~/mnt
[05:39] <AssociateX> Do I need to restart fuse? or what ever
[05:39] <AssociateX> okay
[05:40] <AssociateX> fusermount: failed to unmount /home/me/mnt: Invalid argument
[05:41] <rnat2> umount -f ~/mnt
[05:41] <rnat2> and try it all over from start
[05:41] <AssociateX> rnat2 umount: /home/me/mnt: not mounted.
[05:41] <AssociateX> That was with sudo
[05:43] <AssociateX> also, No mtp devices found.
[05:45] <AssociateX> Hold up, I did a swipe and replugged in the phone.  on your cellphone when u ran jmptfs ~/mnt
[05:49] <rnat2> did u tap Allow?
[05:49] <AssociateX> I will have to check agian
[05:50] <rnat2> so basically, when you run that command on your ubuntu machine, you will get a prompt seeking permission on your cellphone
[05:51] <rnat2> Does your cell phone have "USB debugging ON"? in Developer options?
[05:53] <AssociateX> I never got that, but I know what you're talking about. I've seen that plugging into other computers with another phone. I don't remember doing that before with this phone, but for sure I never had to do it on a regular basis and the phone used to connect just fine up until yesterday when I recked my install, which is why I have a fresh install
[05:53] <AssociateX> today and have so many problems. Excuse that run on sentence.
[05:53] <Citizen-Se7en> What's the Ubuntu channel for unreleased (beta) versions of Ubuntu, like 20.04?
[05:55] <AssociateX> I'm looking for USB debugging now.
[05:55] <ansimita> Citizen-Se7en: there is #ubuntu-devel for development discussion but not support of 20.04
[05:55] <Citizen-Se7en> Also, what the end date for LTS support for 18.04?
[05:56] <Citizen-Se7en> ansimita: thanks
[05:56] <ansimita> Citizen-Se7en: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[05:57] <Citizen-Se7en> ansimita: thanks again.
[05:57] <rnat2> AssociateX: I rely on jmptfs to get connected to a phone every time, it works reliably.. had a disappointing experience with Huawei phone once ...here, https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/466841/how-to-mount-usb-device-using-jmtpfs-on-linux-debian-9 I looked up a sequence of steps that i would have recommended for you anyway...
[05:58] <rnat2> I will be afk for a while
[05:59] <AssociateX> rnat2 I looked and did not find System or Developer options. I will read that link. Thank you very much.
[06:00] <JoeLlama> downloaded latest ubuntu...  where do I find the CRC and how do I verify I have a clean copy?
[06:02] <ansimita> JoeLlama: See the hash checksums at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases/19.10/release/
[06:02] <JoeLlama> thanks ansimita
[06:04] <JoeLlama> should I have downloaded the latest version even though the support period is a short time?
[06:04] <undercovertux> @JoeLlama a complete manual is here
[06:04] <undercovertux> https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/tutorial-how-to-verify-ubuntu#1-overview
[06:04] <JoeLlama> thanks undercovertux
[06:05] <undercovertux> np and you should set on the LTS. It's in general more stable and has no bleeding edges
[06:05] <JoeLlama> ok
[06:07] <stiltrumpelskin> hello
[06:08] <stiltrumpelskin> does anybody here have samba installed
[06:11] <stiltrumpelskin> when i go to the "Other Locations" of the file browser it shows my computer twice
[06:11] <ansimita> Citizen-Se7en: Oh, check out #ubuntu+1
[06:12] <Citizen-Se7en> ansimita: thanks for the update
[06:12] <stiltrumpelskin> and it has "(File Sharing)" after the name
 can you provide a screenshot?
[06:13] <stiltrumpelskin> sure
[06:13] <stiltrumpelskin> how do i send the picture
[06:13] <undercovertux> just upload on any site and post the link here pls
[06:13] <undercovertux> but it's probably your drive shown as emulated samba filesystem (NTFS)
[06:15] <stiltrumpelskin> https://ibb.co/5MwL0Dm
[06:16] <stiltrumpelskin> its not a mounted share
[06:16] <stiltrumpelskin> its the computer listed twice
[06:16] <stiltrumpelskin> i find that when i stop the nmbd service only one shows up
[06:17] <stiltrumpelskin> when i stop smbd and keep nmbd it still shows
[06:17] <stiltrumpelskin> but there is an error when trying to access it
[06:18] <undercovertux> I see, that's strange
[06:18] <undercovertux> can you post your /etc/fstab
[06:19] <undercovertux> it's where all the mounting process is automatized
[06:19] <stiltrumpelskin> # <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass># / was on /dev/sda7 during installationUUID=481ce8c0-788e-4141-9890-984201fb9aca /               ext4    errors=remount-ro 0       1# /boot/efi was on /dev/sda1 during installationUUID=10F6-887D  /boot/efi       vfat    umask=0077      0       1/swapfile
[06:19] <stiltrumpelskin> none            swap    sw              0       0
[06:19] <stiltrumpelskin> sorry
[06:19] <stiltrumpelskin> that might be hard to read
[06:19] <stiltrumpelskin> but im not mounting any shares
[06:20] <undercovertux> I see, looks like a clean table to me.
[06:20] <stiltrumpelskin> what im talking about is browsing the equivalent of network neighborhood in windows
[06:20] <stiltrumpelskin> the older versions of samba dont seem to have this problem
[06:20] <undercovertux> gotcha and you got two shares of each instead of one. must be something in the samba config then probably
[06:21] <stiltrumpelskin> yea but i dont know whats going on
[06:21] <stiltrumpelskin> there seems to be something happening between nmbd and smbd daemons
[06:21] <undercovertux> probably better purge it and make a new clean setup... ;-)
[06:22] <stiltrumpelskin> i tried that already
[06:22] <stiltrumpelskin> i purged samba and samba-common
[06:22] <stiltrumpelskin> and installed again
[06:23] <stiltrumpelskin> same thing
[06:23] <AssociateX> I learn something new everyday. I did a lsusb -v and it shows an incredible amount of info. It also shows that my phone is capable of both MTP and PTP.
[06:23] <stiltrumpelskin> i also installed on debian 10 computer
[06:23] <stiltrumpelskin> same thing happened
[06:23] <stiltrumpelskin> that's eniac in the picture
[06:23] <stiltrumpelskin> the one i'm on now is littlearistotle
[06:24] <undercovertux> maybe a new "feature", lol
[06:25] <stiltrumpelskin> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1166653/nas-appearing-twice-in-other-locations
[06:25] <stiltrumpelskin> he has the same problem
[06:26] <undercovertux> I'm also on Google meanwhile... found a german guy with similar problem. he had shown to much shares connected with the wrong homefolder for the samba user
[06:27] <undercovertux> but you had the similar with the same package on two different machines / operating systems afai understood.
[06:27] <stiltrumpelskin> do you know how the file browsing program generates the list of computers in "other locations"
[06:27] <stiltrumpelskin> because it works even when samba is not installed
[06:28] <stiltrumpelskin> yes, thats right
[06:28] <stiltrumpelskin> i tried it on ubuntu and debian
[06:29] <stiltrumpelskin> and the debian was a fresh install
[06:31] <undercovertux> no
[06:31] <undercovertux> I don't know where this list is generated
[06:31] <stiltrumpelskin> i tried to figure that out
[06:31] <stiltrumpelskin> but i need some direction lol
[06:33] <undercovertux> well, your personal folders are configured in nautilus in the file ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs
[06:33] <undercovertux> but that probably won't help you ;)
[06:33] <stiltrumpelskin> also, if i view the computers from windows, it doesnt have this problem
[06:33] <stiltrumpelskin> in the network neighborhood, that is
[06:33] <stiltrumpelskin> no, i need to get into the guts of the nautilus program i think
[06:34] <stiltrumpelskin> but it might be more effort than i care to exert for this annoyance lol
[06:34] <undercovertux> so your samba network seems to be set up in the right way. so it's just a listing problem of nautilus, could be possible
[06:34] <undercovertux> I hate that samba / 'windows environment' shit in my system. always leads to problems and ugly errors like this.
[06:35] <stiltrumpelskin> yes, when both nmbd and smbd are running i have the problem
[06:35] <stiltrumpelskin> when nmbd is turned off, only one computer shows
[06:35] <stiltrumpelskin> but docs say nmbd is necessary for proper function of smbd daemon
[06:35] <stiltrumpelskin> although i didnt experience any error when i tried it
[06:37] <stiltrumpelskin> maybe ill search google again in a few months
[06:37] <stiltrumpelskin> should be fixed by then haha
[06:38] <undercovertux> Which windows versions you are using? 8 and older?
[06:39] <stiltrumpelskin> it was windows xp that i looked in
[06:40] <undercovertux> ok I needed to read a little. I found a german site but I'll try to explain
[06:40] <stiltrumpelskin> excellent
[06:40] <undercovertux> your samba will resolve names over DNS. older windows versions relied on some functions of nmbd, windows versions after XP don't need it at all
[06:41] <undercovertux> so this is what probably happens: your ubuntu and debian resolves names over DNS _and_ over nmbd and you'll get two instances of each
[06:41] <stiltrumpelskin> interesting
[06:41] <undercovertux> according to that site you don't need nmbd for windows computers in the network which got windows 7+
[06:41] <stiltrumpelskin> but i need it for the computers to be visible to xp?
[06:42] <undercovertux> and for a simple print / fileserver over samba you don't need nmbd and winbindd
[06:42] <undercovertux> yes, probably
[06:42] <stiltrumpelskin> then the question is why it is working properly with older samba versions
[06:43] <stiltrumpelskin> another thing i noticed is if i stop nmbd and smbd
[06:43] <stiltrumpelskin> then start smbd and then nmbd
[06:43] <stiltrumpelskin> it appears ok for a while (only listed once)
[06:43] <stiltrumpelskin> then after some time passes, it goes back to listing twice
[06:43] <stiltrumpelskin> but i dont know what triggers it exactly
[06:43] <undercovertux> that's DNS, it takes some time to set up
[06:44] <stiltrumpelskin> i dont think so, because the changes in the list are reflected almost instantly
[06:44] <stiltrumpelskin> for example if i stop both daemons
[06:44] <stiltrumpelskin> the listing goes away in both computers (debian and ubuntu) right away
[06:45] <stiltrumpelskin> then if i start nmbd first
[06:45] <stiltrumpelskin> and then start smbd, the problem arises
[06:45] <stiltrumpelskin> if i start them in reverse, there is no problem
[06:45] <undercovertux> ok, strange
[06:46] <undercovertux> but that's all I can help, been a while when I set up smb
[06:46] <stiltrumpelskin> thanks for your efforts, i appreciate it
[06:46] <undercovertux> np mate
[07:02] <AssociateX> F-word yeah!!!!! My phone problem was a udev problem. I have everything working now.
[07:05] <lotuspsychje> AssociateX: and you fixed how?
[07:06] <AssociateX> There were things that lead me to believe it was permissions, but here is how I did the repair: https://www.debugpoint.com/2016/03/how-to-access-android-devices-internal-storage-and-sd-card-in-ubuntu-linux-mint-using-media-transfer-protocol-mtp/
[07:07] <AssociateX> lotuspsychje I wrote a udev rule.
[07:07] <lotuspsychje> hmm weird
[07:07] <lotuspsychje> phone connection works out of the box here
[07:08] <AssociateX> lotuspsychje lsusb -v gave info about the phone being capable of both MTP and PTP.
[07:08] <AssociateX> T-mobile said the phone was MTP
[07:09] <AssociateX> Well, now I can go to sleep for the night.
[07:11] <AssociateX> lotuspsychje I appreciate your help. It was all sane stuff. Also, the mtp-* tools would work part way on being plugged in fresh then fail. They did everything but succeed. I'm tired, but it looked like a strong case for permissions.
[07:11] <AssociateX> have a good night.
[07:22] <AssociateX> What is a cli for who space is used, I thought it was du but what I saw before only gave like 8-9 lines
[07:22] <AssociateX> s/who/what
[07:22] <lotuspsychje> dh -f ?
[07:23] <lotuspsychje> df -h i mean
[07:24] <AssociateX> lotuspsychje that's it. I'm just really friggin tried, couldn't remember it. thank you.
[07:44] <raj> does ubuntu not come with pip for python3?
[07:44] <raj> I was expecting to be able to do pip3
[07:44] <oerheks> !info python3-pip
[07:47] <raj> why is python2's pip not optional then?
[07:48] <oerheks> that is just called python-pip
[07:48] <raj> right, which works out of the box as just `pip`
[07:48] <oerheks> no, there is no pip installed standarde
[07:49] <oerheks> yeah, and pip in 20.04 leads to pip3, we had this conversation before?
[07:50] <raj> possibly
[07:50] <raj> oh looks like you're right, I did manually install python-pip
[07:51] <raj> april 23rd, awesome, looking forward to it
[07:51] <lotuspsychje> !party
[07:52] <raj> lol, ok see you guys there, fun police has arrived
[07:53] <lotuspsychje> raj: nono that wasnt meant to scare you away, just join the party
[07:53] <raj> =)
[07:55] <raj> just a scary invite lol
[07:55] <lotuspsychje> dont shoot the messenger, shoot the factoid :p
[07:57] <raj> what should we do with the messenger then?
[07:58] <raj> gotta send a message somehow
[08:02] <raj> !apt
[08:02] <raj> !apt-get
[08:02] <raj> should we not use apt-get anymore? I still use it out of habit
[08:03] <oerheks> apt is superiour over apt-get
[08:07] <raj> k, thank you
[08:10] <ducasse> raj: apt is intended for interactive use, you should still use apt-get in scripts
[08:10] <raj> gotcha
[08:10] <raj> I thought apt was supposed to have a progress bar, I didn't get one when installing python3-pip
[08:12] <Reventlov> Hey.
[08:13] <Reventlov> I want an ubuntu chroot on a debian buster, without being root. I tried fakechroot with debootstrap but the different libc makes debootstrap crash (debian buster inside debian buster has no problem)
[08:13] <oerheks> interesting
[08:14] <Reventlov> The host libc is ldd (Debian GLIBC 2.28-10) 2.28 (I assume it's the different libc version, but I just get a segfault anyway)
[08:15] <Reventlov> ( https://0x0.st/iS_c.txt )
[08:47] <Reventlov> well, anyway, if someone has an idea on how to get a working ubuntu tree in another linux system (without being root), let me know
[09:02] <neure> hi
[09:02] <neure> I am looking for software to arrange pictures to folders
[09:03] <neure> I tired gThumb and it is nice except I am not able to select multiple images
[09:03] <neure> so I need to drag and drop every picture one by one which is not going to work for me
[09:08] <oerheks> gthumb > hold shift while selecting pics
[09:09] <oerheks> no, ctrl + select
[09:14] <lotuspsychje> morning MonkeyDust
[09:14] <mase-tech> hi what is the difference between apt and apt-get
[09:15] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | mase-tech
[09:16] <oerheks> nice detailed .. https://itsfoss.com/apt-vs-apt-get-difference/
[09:17] <oerheks> all the benefits of aptitude are gone, afaik
[09:18] <may1234> what is the development process for ubuntu DVD ISOs? links?
[09:19] <oerheks> are you looking for 20.04 beta?
[09:19] <oerheks> !ubuntu+1
[09:20] <raj> or wait 12 days and get support in here
[09:20] <may1234> I mean the process generally, not for a specific version
[09:25] <elementxlterra> if i were to build a package from source, should i uninstall the previous version first?
[09:25] <neure> oerheks, holding control does nothing
[09:25] <neure> oerheks, still single selects
[09:25] <neure> same with shift
[09:25] <oerheks> neure, ctrl here works
[09:26] <neure> which version of gThumb?
[09:26] <neure> I have Ubuntu 19.10 / gThumb 3.8.0
[09:27] <oerheks> interesting, 18.04 here with 3.9.1
[09:29] <neure> I'll try to remove gthumb and build from git sourec
[09:35] <neure> okay so now I have 3.9.1
[09:35] <neure> and I realize what is wrong
[09:35] <neure> UI is in two different modes when there is one image previewed or not
[09:35] <neure> If there is image previewed, you still get to see other thumbs, but you won't be able to multiple select from that
[09:36] <neure> I need to press ESC to exit image preview and _then_ I can multiselect images
[09:36] <neure> a bit annoying but I guess I can live with that
[09:37] <MonkeyDust> hashtag firstworldproblem
[09:39] <neure> well it is annoying because in order to select multiple images already when I click first image it goes to preview which i need to immediately exit
[09:42] <neure> Oo there is setting double click to open
[09:42] <neure> that fixes it
[09:42] <neure> weirdo default
[10:26] <clarkk> Using aptitude, is it advisable to allow it to take these steps to resolve dependencies?  https://www.dropbox.com/s/u2eac4ob8nflpvv/Selection_285.png?dl=0
[10:32] <alterjsive> can anyone help me get dual screen working with the the AMD Ryzen™ 9 4900HS integrated vesa graphics gpu
[10:39] <clarkk> following on from my question above, apt-get check doesn't show any problems.  So, which is correct, aptitude, or apt-get?
[10:58] <alterjsive> can anyone help me get dual screen working with the the AMD Ryzen™ 9 4900HS integrated vesa graphics gpu ?
[10:58] <alterjsive> oh sorry for the repeat
[11:04] <x4-> qq
[11:11] <alterjsive> is there a "rugged" distro with linux kernel 5.5? The AMD Ryzen 4000 Mobile Series "Renoir" Graphics are no longer experimental With Linux 5.5. PS my laptop also has a nvidia RTX 2060 max-q on board.
[11:21] <viktor_> i put all the files from a directory in a file and delete the ones i want to keep. how do i use rm to delete the files left in the list?
[11:23] <damo22> for f in $(cat filecontainingdeletelist) ; do echo $f ; done
[11:23] <damo22> if that spits out the list of files you want to delete, run the same command but switch echo with rm
[11:24] <EriC^^> viktor_: while IFS='' read -r $file; do rm "$file"; done < mylist
[11:25] <damo22> be careful with stuff like rm
[11:25] <EriC^^> the for loop has some faults intrinsicly if you use it, i must add
[11:26] <damo22> yeh, it assumes there are no spaces in your filenames
[11:27] <viktor_> there's also whitespaces in the filenames...
[11:27] <damo22> ok dont use mine then
[11:28] <EriC^^> damo22: yup, also there's other stuff, if you're interested they're here https://stackoverflow.com/questions/26479562/what-does-ifs-do-in-this-bash-loop-cat-file-while-ifs-read-r-line-do/26480210
[11:32] <viktor_> EriC^^: i have to substitute $file or "mylist"?
[11:39] <barnex> If I get "rsync error: some files/attrs were not transferred" can I safely assume it's just the permissions, not files?
[11:42] <EriC^^> viktor_: mylist
[11:55] <viktor_> EriC^^: i get "rm: cannot remove '': No such file or directory"
[12:00] <EriC^^> viktor_: sounds like the list has an empty line or something
[12:01] <nomad_fr> Hi, I've trouble with my laptop when It come to sleep, I sometimes at wake up loose the pad and can't move the mouse ny more, but if I 'switch user' or logout it came again
[12:01] <viktor_> EriC^^: maybe i'll try to write a small pyhton program to sift through large directories. thanks anyway
[12:02] <nomad_fr> I think a service stop or hang but I don;t know which one and don't know how to find it
[12:03] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:05] <MarkB2> Logged in this morning, ran sudo apt update and apt advises there are two packages waiting: libgcc1 and libgcc1:i386 .
[12:05] <MarkB2> Running sudo apt upgrade then produced the message "packages have been held back".
[12:06] <MarkB2> A little more digging produced a conflict that because the installed versions are co-dependent, neither can be updated because it would remove a package dependent on the other package.
[12:08] <MarkB2> Well, this is a 64-bit system and so maybe I'll get away with it: using apt-get remove, I removed libgcc1:i386  then reran sudo apt-get update  followed by  sudo apt-get upgrade.
[12:09] <MarkB2> That fix the problem for libgcc1 64-bit
[12:09] <MarkB2> ...fixed..
[12:10] <MarkB2> Will  sudo apt-get install libgcc1:i386  (a) reinstall libgcc1:i386 and (b) install the same co-dependency?
[12:17] <MarkB2> On the "advice" of someone using an /msg along the lines of: "Well, BUDDY, why don't YOU try it and let us know what happened."   so I did.  apt-get indicated it would uninstall the 64-bit library and install the i386 version and did I want to continue.
[12:18] <MarkB2> No, guess I didn't.
[12:23] <alterjsive> is there anyone here who has successfully upgraded to kernel +5.5?
[12:27] <vlm> is it possible to remove the core snaps in 18.04?  Getting ´cannot remove "core": snap "core" is not removable: snap is used by the model´,also tried to remove revisions which also doesnt work,i got no other snaps running
[12:29] <vlm> got it working had to purge the snapd package instead of remove...
[13:22] <SirMcLouis> Hey! I have a question about ubuntu 20, is this the correct place?
[13:22] <SirMcLouis> 20.04
[13:22] <lotuspsychje> SirMcLouis: join #ubuntu+1 please
[13:23] <SirMcLouis> lotuspsychje thanks!
[13:33] <MonkeyDust> lotuspsychje
[13:33] <lotuspsychje> hey MonkeyDust ; )
[14:26] <MarkB2> I've been searching for a font previewer for Ubuntu 18.04.  Every link I've tried has turned out dead.  Suggestions on a font previewer would be appreciated.  Thank you.
[14:27] <ducasse> !info font-manager | MarkB2
[14:27] <lotuspsychje> !info fontmatrix | MarkB2 also
[14:28] <lotuspsychje> oh, 20.04 only sorry ^
[14:28] <MarkB2> I tried that installing font-manager... and it just locked up.  30 minutes waiting for it to do something and zilch.
[14:29] <MarkB2> And, no, I'm not running on an 8088 processor.  :-)
[14:29] <sixwheeledbeast> !info gnome-font-viewer
[14:30] <MarkB2> AHA!'
[14:30] <pavlushka> apt-cacher-ng is returning : Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/focal/main/cnf/Commands-amd64  403  Forbidden file type or location, what type of file pattern is likely to be missing?
[14:31] <kokoye2007> !info localechooser
[14:31] <MarkB2> sixwheeledbeast: Thank you.  That went in.  Happily too.  Nice.
[14:31] <lotuspsychje> pavlushka: #ubuntu+1 please
[14:31] <kokoye2007> hello everyone
[14:31] <sixwheeledbeast> MarkB2: np it used to be a default packages many moons ago IIRC
[14:31] <barnex> is help.ubuntu.com in surge protection for everybody? I haven't done any requests
[14:32] <kokoye2007> Ubuntu focal have region base localechooser has error
[14:32] <barnex> I mean, I did one and I'm already surge locked out
[14:32] <sixwheeledbeast> barnex: the wiki was 15 minutes ago
[14:32] <MarkB2> sixwheeledbeast: Now what I need is a somewhat flowery font.  For a condolences card.
[14:36] <sixwheeledbeast> font's are a whole other issue...
[14:37] <MarkB2> I'm quickly finding that out.  Geeze.  Looks like there are a few hundred thousand of them.
[14:45] <ioria> MarkB2, https://www.1001fonts.com/flower-fonts.html    some of this are good
[14:45] <ioria> *these
[14:46] <MarkB2> Ahhh... nice.  Missed that one.  Looking through them now.  Thank you.
[14:46] <ioria> MarkB2, download one, unzip with nautilus, double click on the .ttf (it will open with font-viewer), click on install; open writer , selects fonts, done
[14:54] <sixwheeledbeast> then there is the whole licensing issues, bit like the music industry
[14:58] <MarkB2> Yes.  It's hard for me to use a font where the license says, "Free... but donations appreciated."  For a one-shot use.. I'm tempted to write out my thoughts and scan 'em in.

[14:59] <MarkB2> And I think I'll do just that.  :-)
[15:19] <ioria> MarkB2,  'Lime Glory Caps (e.g.) may be downloaded and used free of charge for both personal and commercial use, as long as the usage is not racist or illegal'   ; no mention of donations
[15:32] <lalitmee> Why I am facing a problem in Monaco Font only. When I zoom in or zoom out, Monaco font doesn't look like it is rendering properly in Ubuntu 18.04.
[15:34] <lalitmee> This is not rendered properly https://i.imgur.com/Wxu0Tng.png
[15:35] <lalitmee> Whereas this is correct https://i.imgur.com/f6Rqk5k.png
[15:36] <i7ch> @lotuspsychje, FYI, i mnanges to get the scanner workin ONLY by installing hplip in GUI mode
[15:36] <i7ch> apparently you also need a hplip plugin, which can only by installed via GUI
[15:37] <i7ch> *managed
[15:38] <clarkk>  Using aptitude, is it advisable to allow it to take these steps to resolve dependencies?  https://www.dropbox.com/s/u2eac4ob8nflpvv/Selection_285.png?dl=0   apt-get check doesn't show any problems.  So, which is correct, aptitude, or apt-get?
[15:40] <tomreyn> !aptitude
[15:41] <oerheks> try with apt only? apt is superiour over apt-get.
[15:43] <tomreyn> does "sudo apt update" or simulating the default resolution via "sudo apt full-upgrade -syV" hint on any issues?
[16:13] <TheWild> hello
[16:13] <TheWild> could someone tell me what happened here and how to fix it? https://kopy.io/Z9FUY
[16:13] <TheWild> (at the beginning: attempt to compile BPG encoder)
[16:18] <tomreyn> you're mixing packages from different sources which is probably the root cause of these issues. "sudo apt update; apt policy" will tell you more about how your apt sources is configured.
[16:19] <ioria> TheWild, i suppose it's another libpulse-dev issue
[16:21] <ioria> TheWild, for libsdl-image1.2-dev, at least
[16:22] <TheWild> ioria: nope, didn't work. Now I'm curious what I broke by removing libpulse-dev.
[16:22] <TheWild> I suppose it's deb.sury.org, but I added it only for PHP
[16:24] <tomreyn> that's not how apt repositories work, though. you add a repository, you get all the packages it provides as potential installation candidates.
[16:25] <ioria> TheWild,  i'd start purging those deb.sury.org~xenial+1
[16:25] <TheWild> ioria: you mean, remove PHP or remove the repository from sources?
[16:26] <TheWild> tomreyn: https://kopy.io/skA6W
[16:26] <database2> ubuntu stuck in a loop "https://drive.google.com/open?id=13C8RpVgINeObhgiRllV_wfk2YQ7QPbJK"
[16:27] <database2> before watching the video please mute it
[16:27] <ioria> TheWild, dpkg -l | grep libjbig0
[16:28] <TheWild> ii  libjbig0:amd64                                2.1-3.1+deb.sury.org~xenial+1                       amd64        JBIGkit libraries
[16:28] <TheWild> and surprisingly apt won't let me even remove it
[16:29] <tomreyn> TheWild: "deb.sury.org~xenial+1" suggests this system still has packages installed which used to come from an apt repository you (according to the output you just posted) no longer have active. and that repository was for ubuntu xenial (16.04) apparently, not for ubuntu bionic (18.04) which the majority of this system seems to be.
[16:29] <ioria> TheWild, use ppa-purge
[16:29] <tomreyn> the sury ppa is not enabled though
[16:29] <TheWild> meh, "sudo apt install ppa-purge"
[16:29] <TheWild> tools already there can't handle it?
[16:30] <tomreyn> so either re-enable the sury repository before using ppa-purge or use apt-forktracer
[16:30] <TheWild> how reenable? I don't think it was disabled.
[16:31] <database2> anyone please help out
[16:31] <tomreyn> database2: start by describing your problem, textually
[16:31] <tomreyn> TheWild: https://kopy.io/skA6W suggests the sury PPA is not enabled.
[16:31] <TheWild> and it will revert PHP to older version probably :/
[16:32] <database2> tomreyn: here is the video "https://drive.google.com/open?id=13C8RpVgINeObhgiRllV_wfk2YQ7QPbJK"
[16:32] <pavlos> database2: 404
[16:32] <database2> ohh
[16:34] <Mechanismus> constantly getting surge protection from help.ubuntu.com
[16:35] <TheWild> tomreyn: this is ondrej/php
[16:35] <TheWild> tomreyn: I'm not really happy about downgrading PHP. Should I re-add ondrej/php after it is removed?
[16:35] <database2> tomreyn: ubuntu get trap into loop just before login screen and the big problem is even "ctrL+alt+f3" won't open
[16:37] <database2> tomreyn: no login screen no tty
[16:37] <database2> please help me
[16:38] <ioria> database2, can you boot in recovery mode ?
[16:39] <database2> i can boot in recovery mode
[16:39] <ioria> database2, enable networking and drop to root shell
[16:40] <database2> okay give me a minute
[16:42] <tomreyn> Mechanismus: please report a problem as discusse don the topic of #canonical-sysadmin ("RT") providing the URL you tried to access and the error message you received.
[16:42] <tomreyn> TheWild: ah right, sorry i missed the PPA
[16:43] <tomreyn> TheWild: i doubt the packages in the 'bionic' PPA are named *-xenial-* though so what you have is likely a leftover from before you upgraded. as apt-foktracer would tell you if you used it.
[16:43] <database228> Ioria: after that
[16:45] <TheWild> ah s**t, I see
[16:45] <ioria> database228, check the disk space : df -h
[16:45] <TheWild> the file is /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ondrej-ubuntu-php-xenial.list
[16:45] <TheWild> but inside is:
[16:45] <TheWild> # deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ondrej/php/ubuntu bionic main
[16:45] <ioria> looks likedisabled
[16:52] <TheWild> https://kopy.io/dGNp4
[16:52] <database228> ioria: executed df -h
[16:53] <ioria> database228, what about root  ?  '/'
[16:54] <database228> ioria: 85% used
[16:55] <database228> Out of 119gib
[16:55] <TheWild> can't install libsdl-image1.2-dev either
[16:56] <database228> ioria: what you think ? What is the problem
[16:56] <ioria> database228, dpkg -l | grep linux-image | cat -n
[16:56] <ioria> database228, report just the number
[16:57] <database228> Their are 9 different images
[16:57] <ioria> database228,  apt autoremove --purge
[16:58] <database228> 4.15.0-29.32
[16:58] <database228> -65.74
[16:58] <database228> 66.75
[16:58] <ioria> database228,  i got it
[16:58] <database228> okay
[16:59] <ioria> database228,  apt autoremove --purge
[17:00] <database228> ioria: Did it what next
[17:00] <database228> 0 up 0 newly 0 to remove
[17:01] <ioria> database228, again , dpkg -l | grep linux-image | cat -n
[17:02] <database228> Ioria: no change still the same output
[17:02] <ioria> database228, you nned to remove manully some images ; what's your current kernel ? uname -r
[17:03] <database228> ioria: 4.15.0-96-generic
[17:04] <ioria> database228, apt purge linux-image-4.15.0-29-generic
[17:04] <tomreyn> TheWild: so, i'm not sure the characteristics of the problem you're facing have become obvious, yet, so i'll try to explain: https://kopy.io/Z9FUY refers to a package libjbig0 at version 2.1-3.1+deb.sury.org~xenial+1 which is (or was, at the time) installed on this (apparently) Ubuntu 18.04 "bionic" (not "xenial") system. https://kopy.io/skA6W states that you have (or had, at the time) the "http://ppa.launchpad.net/ondrej/php/ubuntu bionic/main
[17:04] <tomreyn> amd64 Packages" APT repository configured, a third party APT repository for "bionic", so ubuntu 18.04. this suggests that the libjbig0 package at version 2.1-3.1+deb.sury.org~xenial+1 is actually a leftover from when you were using the *xenial* PPA, and that this package should not be installe don a "bionic" system in the first place. using ppa-purge against the "bionic" PPA will most lilely not remove this leftover package, though.
[17:06] <database228> ioria: did it what next
[17:06] <TheWild> okay, so... let's remove libjbig0?
[17:06] <database228> And also ran dpkg - l ... command and now only 8 entries
[17:07] <ioria> database228, can you paste the output ?   dpkg -l | grep linux-image  | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:09] <ioria> TheWild, i think that pkg is important for other programs,  i suggest to not remove it
[17:09] <TheWild> ioria: no worries, it doesn't work as well: https://kopy.io/b8HBi
[17:10] <database228> ioria: https://kopy.io/zwx0
[17:11] <ioria> database228, i see nothing
[17:12] <ioria> database228,   dpkg -l | grep linux-image  | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:12] <tomreyn> TheWild: i mentioned apt-forktracer as a way forward twice so far, now three times. this should be sufficient for now, i think. if you prefer to use software already installed, ubuntu-support-status --show-unsupported can help with this as well.
[17:12] <database228> ioria: sorry https://termbin.com/zwx0
[17:13] <ioria> database228,  sudo apt purge linux-image-4.15.0-76-generic
[17:13] <tomreyn> TheWild: if you'd like to read up more on this: https://github.com/tomreyn/scripts#foreign_packages
[17:13] <database228> ioria: above link is correct you can see see
[17:13] <ioria> database228,  sudo apt purge linux-image-4.15.0-76-generic
[17:13] <database228> Done
[17:14] <database228> ioria: it's downloading
[17:14] <ioria> database228,  downloading what ?
[17:16] <database228> ioria : Linux image .76
[17:17] <TheWild> tomreyn: I want to simply fix something that shouldn't get broken in the first place (thanks apt for wasting my time). And I'd like to do it without involving myself into reading long manuals and using obscure software.
[17:17] <ioria> database228, we are removing 76, not installing it
[17:17] <ioria> database228, is it done ?
[17:18] <database228> ioria: I ran command again but I think it is not removed
[17:18] <pavlos> it might be easier to 1) sudo apt install byobu and then 2) sudo purge-old-kernels --keep 3
[17:18] <ioria> database228,   dpkg -l | grep linux-image  | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:18] <database228> Sorry
[17:18] <TheWild> nice. apt-forktracer works without arguments.
[17:19] <TheWild> this is the output: https://kopy.io/XPQg4
[17:19] <database228> https://termbin.com/1dk4y
[17:20] <ioria> database228,   ok,    sudo apt purge linux-image-4.15.0-{65,66,70,72}-generic
[17:22] <database228> ioria: https://termbin.com/wao83
[17:23] <database228> ioria: what next
[17:23] <ioria> database228,  apt autoremove --purge
[17:24] <database228> ioria: done
[17:25] <ioria> database228,  df -h | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:26] <database228> https://termbin.com/ik1b
[17:26] <database228> ioria: done
[17:27] <ioria> database228,  apt update && apt full-upgrade
[17:28] <database228> ioria: done
[17:29] <ioria> database228,  reboot
[17:29] <lotuspsychje> i7ch: ah, thats what i expected from that bug, was it hplip-gui you installed?
[17:29] <database228> ioria: done
[17:30] <ioria> database228,  what 's  your graphic card and driver ?
[17:30] <database228> Nvidia
[17:30] <database228> Nvidia 375
[17:30] <ioria> database228,  still stuck ?
[17:31] <database228> Booting...
[17:32] <database228> ioria: I guess yes
[17:32] <ioria> database228,  so, boot with 'nomodeset'
[17:33] <database228> ioria: try is open but. No graphic
[17:34] <ioria> database228,  what ?
[17:34] <database228> Nothing let me boot with nomodeset
[17:35] <ioria> database228,  you know how to set it ?
[17:36] <database228> ioria: yes thanks
[17:37] <ioria> ok
[17:38] <TheWild> tomreyn: can you help me? I don't know how to read this babble: https://kopy.io/XPQg4
[17:38] <database228> ioria: with nomodeset no login screen
[17:39] <ioria> database228, but the system boots ? can you open a console ?
[17:40] <database228> Yes
[17:40] <ioria> database228,   lspci -nnk | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:41] <tomreyn> TheWild: is this what you found inside a fortune cookie?
[17:41] <TheWild> this is output of apt-forktracer
[17:41] <tomreyn> oh, that's good to know!
[17:42] <database228> ioria: https://termbin.com/70uv
[17:43] <tomreyn> TheWild: i.e.: to get help here, please always provide both the command (with options) you ran, the environment (e.g. ubuntu version + architecture etc, we know this already here) as well as the output of the command.
[17:43] <ioria> database228,   cat /proc/cmdline
[17:43] <IntelCore> EriC^ around?
[17:44] <TheWild> lsb_release -a: Ubuntu 18.04.4 LTS
[17:44] <TheWild> uname -a: Linux latitude-e6540 4.15.0-96-generic #97-Ubuntu SMP Wed Apr 1 03:25:46 UTC 2020 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[17:44] <TheWild> apt-forktracer -v: https://kopy.io/XPQg4
[17:45] <IntelCore> He help me, pls .. I will wait.
[17:45] <database228> ioria: https://termbin.com/jtqu
[17:46] <ioria> TheWild, you still have deb.sury.org~xenial+1 packages installed
[17:46] <tomreyn> TheWild: so apt-forktracer lists package versions which are installed but can't be matched against an apt repository you have configured (i call those "foreign package versions", or "foreign packages"). those packages should usually be removed or replaced by package versions (or other packages) which you have an apt repository configured for. in some cases all you want to do is configure an (usually 3rd party) apt repository which provides these
[17:46] <tomreyn> packages and an upgrade path for them.
[17:47] <ioria> database228,   you're booting with nomodeset and nvidia is loaded
[17:47] <database228> ioria: output of cat /porc/cmdline
[17:47] <database228> https://termbin.com/70uv
[17:48] <tomreyn> TheWild: regarding "I want to simply fix something that shouldn't get broken in the first place (thanks apt for wasting my time)" - this problem was not introduced by apt, but by someone managing this system.
[17:48] <TheWild> :/
[17:48] <database228> ioria: what nect
[17:48] <ioria> database228,   sudo systemctl restart gdm3
[17:49] <TheWild> I supposed something got upgraded that can't be downgraded now
[17:49] <TheWild> s/supposed/suppose/
[17:49] <database228> ioria: done
[17:49] <ioria> database228,  and ?
[17:51] <database228> ioria: screen something come and go with the speed of light almost 5 or 6 times
[17:51] <TheWild> tomreyn: different question: what will be easier: fixing this mess or reinstalling Ubuntu?
[17:52] <ioria> database228,  sudo nano /etc/gdm3/custom.conf     and remove the '#' in front of WaylandEnable=false
[17:53] <tomreyn> TheWild: i don't know you well enough to answer this. for me, fixing it should be a quick process and i'd prefer it (but then i'd try not to run into this situation in the first place by purging PPAs before release upgrading).
[17:54] <database228> ioria: done
[17:55] <ioria> database228,  dpkg -l | grep nvidia | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:56] <tomreyn> TheWild: here's how i would go about this: go over the list of packages reported by apt-forktracer. see whether there are packages listed which sound like they provide functionality i do not want to loose. for those packages, see if i have this functionality already covered by other packages which are also installed, or packages provided by the current ubuntu release. in some cases you may want to re-enable the 'Bionic' version of a third party
[17:56] <tomreyn> repository you used to have enabled in the past (but try to limit this as much as possible). and anything you don't seem to actually require, should just be deleted.
[17:57] <howudodat> having some issues with nmcli on ubuntu 18.04 headless.  nmcli dev shows wlan0 as unavailable.  iw dev shows wlan 0 as managed  (iw scan also lists APs)
[17:58] <database228> iori: https://termbin.com/p6ju
[17:58] <ioria> database228,  you have multiple nvidia drivers installed
[17:58] <database228> ioria: https://termbin.com/p6ju
[17:59] <howudodat> board has multiple ethernets that we would like managed through /ec/network/interfaces and wifi we would like managed with nmcli
[17:59] <ioria> database228,  you have multiple nvidia drivers installed
[17:59] <tomreyn> TheWild: here's how to read one of these lines of output of apt-forktracer: package_name (version_of_package_currently_installed) [Configured_APT_Origin: version_of_package_available_from_this_apt_origin] [...]
[17:59] <EriC^^> IntelCore: what's up?
[17:59] <database228> ioria: I don't know how so what next
[18:00] <IntelCore> yo.. I got boor-repair.   cas your trick just boot ubuntu only
[18:00] <ioria> database228,  sudo apt purge  nvidia-384
[18:00] <EriC^^> IntelCore: how come i thought it picked up bootmgfw.efi.backup when you did update-grub
[18:00] <IntelCore> now still only ubuntu..  but, grub menu is up
[18:01] <IntelCore> and I looked with. boot info script... and went, wow.
[18:01] <database228> ioria: done
[18:01] <ioria> database228,  sudo apt purge   linux-image-unsigned-4.15.0-76-generic
[18:02] <database228> ioria: done
[18:03] <ioria> database228,  try to restart gdm:  sudo systemctl restart gdm3
[18:03] <database228> ioria blinked 5 times
[18:04] <ioria> database228,  sudo apt install --reinstall linux-generic and reboot
[18:06] <TheWild> libjbig0 for example is up to date (taken from deb.sury.org). I can't reinstall it because "Reinstallation of libjbig0 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded." and I can't remove it because too many things depend on it.
[18:06] <IntelCore> EriC^  - chk yuor chat winder pls.
[18:06] <IntelCore> no rush
[18:08] <database228> ioria: no graphic
[18:09] <ioria> database228,  open a console and paste dmesg output
[18:10] <database228> ioria: https://termbin.com/p08p
[18:13] <database228> ioria: what you find?
[18:13] <ioria> database228,  can you boot without nomodeset now ?
[18:13] <ioria> brb
[18:14] <database228> Ioria: okay
[18:16] <tomreyn> TheWild: what's the output of:  (sudo apt update &>1; echo; apt policy &>1; echo; apt policy libjbig0 &>1) > /tmp/ubuntusupport; cat /tmp/ubuntusupport | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:17] <tomreyn> TheWild: ignore this
[18:17] <database228> ioria: the same old problem can't even open console
[18:18] <TheWild> I think I'm going to wipe it anyway :/
[18:18] <tomreyn> TheWild: what's the output of:    (sudo apt update 2>&1; echo; apt policy 2>&1; echo; apt policy libjbig0 2>&1) > /tmp/ubuntusupport; cat /tmp/ubuntusupport | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:18] <TheWild> it's broken
[18:19] <TheWild> https://termbin.com/3xku
[18:20] <tomreyn> TheWild: do you need a PHP version which is different than the one ubuntu 18.04 LTS provides?
[18:21] <TheWild> PHP 7.4 dammit!
[18:22] <tomreyn> TheWild: run this to install the version of package libjbig0 which is provided by Ubuntu 18.04: sudo apt install libjbig0=2.1-3.1build1
[18:22] <TheWild> will it simply install that version or install that version and pin it? I don't want it to be pinned.
[18:23] <ioria> database228,  ok, boot again with nomodeset
[18:24] <database228> Okay
[18:25] <tomreyn> TheWild: it will replace the leftover package version (which was built for ubuntu 16.04, and now has no upgrade path, and gets no security updates, and has the potential to break your apt dependencies), which you have installed now, by the one which is available in ubuntu 18.04, and continue to track ubuntu 18.04 for updates on this package.
[18:25] <tomreyn> it will not configure apt pinning
[18:27] <TheWild> good!
[18:27] <TheWild> where did you pick that version from... oh, I see
[18:27] <database228> ioria: booted
[18:28] <database228> Ioria: booted without nomodeset
[18:28] <ioria> database228,  and ?
[18:29] <database228> Same old problem screen keep blinking
[18:29] <database228> Mouse Pointer pointer come and goes
[18:29] <ioria> database228,  but you're not using nomodeset atm, right ?
[18:29] <database228> Yeah
[18:30] <ioria> database228,  paste  lspci -nnk
[18:31] <database228> Can't open console to open console I need to reboot the system and boot with nomodeset
[18:32] <database228> Ioria: should I do
[18:33] <ioria> database228, i want to know if you can boot  correctly 'without' nomodest
[18:36] <database228> ioria: no I can't boot correctly without nomodeset
[18:36] <ioria> database228, where it stops ?
[18:37] <database228> It doesn't show I can only see black screen
[18:37] <ioria> database228, remove quiet splash
[18:38] <database228> Okay
[18:38] <TheWild> sudo apt install libsdl-image1.2-dev
[18:38] <TheWild> success!
[18:39] <TheWild> thank you tomreyn and pardon my lack of patience
[18:39] <TheWild> now I know where to search and what to fix
[18:39] <tomreyn> ioria: i didn't follow the full discussion with database228, but https://termbin.com/p08p states "NVIDIA UNIX x86_64 Kernel Module  390.132" and states "Linux version 4.15.0-96-generic [..] Ubuntu 7.5.0-3ubuntu1~18.04 [..] #97-Ubuntu" - which suggests nvidia driver 390 version 132 is being used on an ubuntu 18.04 LTS system. By default, Ubuntu 18.04 LTS provides version 116 (0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>) of this driver according to  https://packages.ubuntu.c
[18:39] <tomreyn> om/search?keywords=nvidia-driver-390
[18:40] <tomreyn> that's https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=nvidia-driver-390
[18:40] <tomreyn> TheWild: you're welcome. is your apt-forktracer output empty, yet, though? since it should be.
[18:41] <TheWild> not yet. I'm still fixing this.
[18:41] <database228> ioria: booting without nomodeset and quite splash
[18:41] <TheWild> but at least I got libsdl-image1.2-dev
[18:41] <TheWild> and maybe I'll manage to install wine. I couldn't install it because of the same problem long time ago and I gave up.
[18:41] <database228> ioria still can't see anything other then black blinking screen
[18:42] <IntelCore> it's driver
[18:42] <tomreyn> TheWild: right, good start. also you're learning how to recover from this situation which you may want to take notes on since it can happen again (or most likely will, unless you're purge all PPAs before release upgrading in the future).
[18:42] <TheWild> yes, I'll definitely save this discussion
[18:42] <ioria> tomreyn, 132 isin proposed-restricted
[18:43] <tomreyn> ioria: oh ok, sorry.
[18:43] <ioria> !info nvidia-driver-390 bionic-proposed
[18:43] <database228> ioria: starting nvidia persistent daemon
[18:44] <TheWild> I think the only ppa I keep is docker.
[18:44] <ioria> database228, let's try to purge nvidia :  sudo apt purge nvidia-driver-390
[18:45] <database228> ioria: starting nvidia persistent daemon and the next line is stopped nvidia persistent daemon tools
[18:45] <ioria> database228, let's try to purge nvidia :  sudo apt purge nvidia-driver-390
[18:47] <database228> ioria: Done
[18:48] <ioria> database228, sudo apt autoremove --purge
[18:48] <database228> Okay
[18:48] <database228> ioria: done
[18:49] <ioria> database228, dpkg -l | grep nvidia | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:53] <TheWild> tomreyn: I don't get this line: libicu55 (55.1-7ubuntu0.4)
[18:53] <TheWild> there's nothing in square brackets. Should I simply remove the package. (this one has actually to do something with Unicode)
[18:54] <TheWild> my installation has libicu55 and libicu60
[18:54] <database228> ioria: output of "didi dpkg -i"https://termbin.com/rag1
[18:54] <ioria> database228, try again
[18:54] <tomreyn> TheWild: i said that the apt-forktracer output should be empty. this wasn't exactly correct: to make it empty, you'd need to not have any packages from 3rd party repositories installed. what you should try to achieve is that its output lists no packages where there is no APT repository configured for the given package, so no upgrade path for this package. in this case, you would have no square brackets on the line of output.
[18:55] <database228> ioria: when I try with your command then I didn't get any URL
[18:55] <tomreyn> TheWild: also, you should not have a package installed where the version in round brackets (the one installed) is not matched by one of the versions in square brackets (the versions available from apt repositories configured ony our system)
[18:56] <tomreyn> TheWild: the line you just referred to matches the first case i just described.
[18:56] <ioria> database228, run only    'dpkg -l | grep nvidia     '  if it's empty it's ok
[18:56] <database228> Yeah it's Empty
[18:57] <database228> ioria: next
[18:57] <ioria> database228, cat /etc/apt/sources.list  | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:58] <database228> ioria: https://termbin.com/ahd2
[18:59] <tomreyn> TheWild: this is a complete orphan pakage, it should be removed. that's unless you know you need and actually use this specific package (and not just one named similarily) for some reason. for example, you might have a printer driver downloaded from a wendor website, distributed as .deb package only, without apt repository, and thus without an upgrade path.
[18:59] <ioria> database228, deb https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/ubuntu/ disco main
[19:00] <TheWild> though nothing seems to refer to that package and I don't remember ever installing it manually
[19:00] <database228> ioria: ??
[19:00] <ioria> database228, ypu have a wrong source configured
[19:01] <database228> Should I remove that pkg
[19:01] <ioria> database228,  apt list --installed | grep disco
[19:02] <database228> It's giving warning: apt does
[19:03] <database228> Does not have a stable cli interface
[19:03] <ioria> database228,  yeah, after that ....
[19:04] <tomreyn> TheWild: do-release-upgrade, the ubuntu release upgrader, would remove some packages from a list of packages no longer needed, around the the later part of the release upgrade. sometimes release upgrades fail somewhere in the middle (usually due to non-purged third party packages and unsolvable package dependencies they introduce), in which case it exts immediately, and those package removals do not take place.
[19:04] <tomreyn> *exits
[19:05] <database228> ioria: sorry, but what next
[19:07] <ioria> database228,  dpkg -l | grep wine | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:08] <tomreyn> TheWild: In the case of a xenial -> bionic release upgrade, i think that do-release-upgrade would have replaced libicu55 (only available on xenial - https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=libicu55 ) by libicu60 (only available on bionic https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/libicu60 ) during this late upgrade stage.
[19:09] <database228> ioria: I removed the wine from sources.list
[19:09] <ioria> database228,  dpkg -l | grep wine | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:11] <database228> ioria: dpkg: error:  --install at least one pkg archive file argargment
[19:12] <ioria> database228,  you mistyped something   :   dpkg -l | grep wine
[19:12] <TJ-> database228: lowercase L not uppercase I
[19:12] <database228> ioria: above command doesn't give any url
[19:13] <ioria> database228,  as TJ-   lowercase L      :   dpkg -l | grep wine
[19:17] <database2> ioria: no output of above command
[19:18] <ioria> database228,  ok,  sudo apt install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop^      (note the ^)
[19:18] <ioria> database2, ,  ok,  sudo apt install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop^      (note the ^)
[19:19] <database2> ioria: done
[19:19] <ioria> database2, ,  already don e? usually it takes a while
[19:20] <TJ-> ioria: that'll only reinstall the meta package won't it? not any binaries
[19:21] <TJ-> ioria: at least last time I (re)installed a task I'm pretty sure that's all it did
[19:21] <ioria> TJ-, well,  with ^ it should reistall all
[19:21] <database2> ioria: I am sorry but it only downloaded 3664 bytes
[19:21] <ioria> database2, btw, reboot
[19:22] <database2> ioria: boot with nomodeset or not
[19:22] <ioria> database2, without
[19:25] <database2> Ioria: same old problem
[19:26] <ioria> database2, where it stops now ?
[19:27] <database2> Let me see
[19:28] <AssociateX> Hello people. I did a fresh install of Kubuntu 18.04, it's updated. I did the minimal install. I could not get files off of my phone, specifically photos. I created a udev rule in /etc/udev/rules.d/ "SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ATTR{idVendor}=="1004", ATTR{idProduct}=="633e", MODE="0666"" then restarted udev. This worked last night, but not this morning. So,
[19:28] <AssociateX> I did "sudo chmod 777 /dev/bus/usb/001/*" and now I have access to the files on my phone. I think that what I am doing is a little reckless, but proves the point that I have a permissions problem. There is probably a completely sane solution to accomplish the same thing, and I hope that someone here knows what that solution is.
[19:30] <database2> ioria: started user manager for uid121
[19:32] <ioria> database2, did you edit/change some system config files ? like plymouth or ubuntu.css
[19:32] <doebi> why is the snap version of chromium so damn broken?
[19:33] <database2> ioria: never
[19:34] <ioria> database2, then when this started to happen ?
[19:35] <database2> Yesterday morning I was watching YouTube and suddenly my computer hang and no icon were working
[19:35] <ioria> i see
[19:36] <database2> Only mouse was working
[19:36] <blahboybaz> does anyone know why I can't install a theme from gnome look? I get a page says address wasn't understood
[19:36] <blahboybaz> I have gnome tweak tool installed
[19:36] <ioria> database2, can you open a console ?
[19:36] <database2> And after that I long pressed the power button
[19:37] <ioria> database2, can you open a console ?
[19:37] <blahboybaz> Does this seem like the right soln?  https://www.gnome-look.org/p/1136805/
[19:38] <database2> Ioria:  need to boot again with nomodset
[19:38] <ioria> database2, wow, ok
[19:44] <database2> ioria: done
[19:44] <ioria> database2, sudo apt  install lightdm  and set it as default
[19:45] <database2> ioria done
[19:46] <ioria> database2, reboot :þ
[19:46] <database2> ioria: With nomodeset?
[19:46] <ioria> database2, nope
[19:48] <database2> ioria: same problem
[19:49] <database2> ioria: started light display manager
[19:49] <ioria> database2, instead of nomodest bootwith 'i915.modeset=0'
[19:51] <Mateon1> Hello, I tried accessing the ubuntu wiki (help.ubuntu.com) from a google search result. I got a "Surge protection" error message despite this being the first time I've accessed the site in a while
[19:51] <Mateon1> I tried waiting two minutes to no effect, not sure what else to do so I hopped onto IRC
[19:53] <TheWild> is anyone here using djvu encoder?
[19:53] <tomreyn> Mateon1: thanks for reporting, this is a server die issue, which has since been reported to Canonical, the company behind Ubuntu which also hosts this server.
[19:53] <tomreyn> *server side
[19:53] <database2> ioria: failed: to start detect the available GPUs and deal with any system changes
[19:53] <tomreyn> Mateon1: in the mean time, you can use Google cache of this page.
[19:54] <database2> ioria: failed to start light display manager
[19:54] <Mateon1> tomreyn: Oh, thank you, I always forget Google has a cache, I was wondering whether I have to dig up the wayback machine
[19:54] <tomreyn> https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/1687222
[19:56] <ioria> database2, boot with nomodeset
[19:56] <database2> ioria: okay
[19:58] <database2> ioria: underscore keep blinking at left most corner
[19:59] <ioria> database2, ctrl+alt+f3
[19:59] <database2> Not working
[20:00] <database2> ioria: not working
[20:00] <ioria> database2,  it should , you're booting with nomodeset, right ?
[20:01] <database2> ioria right
[20:01] <ioria> database2,  try again
[20:02] <database2> ioria: not working
[20:03] <ioria> database2,  i'am afaid  i have to leave, but you keep asking in here or come back tomorrow
[20:03] <database2> ioria: okay
[20:04] <database2> ioria: thanks
[20:07] <iKarus987> Hi guys i am playing some games steam games, and i realized now no matter what resolution i pick, EVERYTHING becomes stretched. In windows u can choose if u wanna have black bars or stretch
[20:07] <iKarus987> how do i add black bars, for instance i wanna play a game at 800x600
[20:07] <iKarus987> without stretching
[20:07] <iKarus987> thanks
[20:10] <IntelCore> play game in a window
[20:10] <IntelCore> not full screen
[20:11] <IntelCore> check game video settings
[20:18] <iKarus987> you mean play in windows mode?
[20:19] <Mcl0vin> good day folks, I hope all are staying safe with COVID-19. qq ... running Ubuntu 18.04.4 LTS it seems that everytime I stop run my box i have to issue sudo netplan apply for my box to talk to my network. what am i missing/doing wrong here?
[20:20] <Mcl0vin> !pastebin
[20:21] <Mcl0vin> here is the content of my yaml file for my netplan https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3tWgQ8Mx4H/
[20:28] <tomreyn> Mcl0vin: while it's fine here, there's #ubuntu-server for server specific questions (netplan is mostly used on servers). it could also help to describe "everytime I stop run my box i have to issue sudo netplan apply for my box to talk to my network" better, adding logs (such as from the latest shutdown / reboot: journalctl -eb -1 ), screen shots, error messages.
[20:30] <tomreyn> (personally, i will be afk for a while now, but will try to see whether you got help here later after providing more information)
[20:38] <IntelCore> know about boot ing ubuntu & win10?  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jjmb7Y4QCQ/
[20:39] <IntelCore> looks like it's grub picked up firmware
[20:43] <EriC^^> IntelCore: i dont get it, last time i remember you said it picked up windows
[20:45] <EriC^^> oh nevermind IntelCore , you didnt mention that
[20:46] <EriC^^> IntelCore: are you there?
[20:53] <nakedgoat> anyone know what I am doing wrong, adding a kvm bridge (01-netcfg.yaml) to /etc/netplan, current ext. IP static, when I add the 2nd .yaml and do sudo netplan apply - it works until I reboot.  SO I'm doing something wrong..
[20:58] <nakedgoat> v18.04
[21:06] <IntelCore> hey
[21:07] <IntelCore> yes
[21:07] <IntelCore> sorry
[21:09] <IntelCore> ubuntu boots via grub, nothing else
[21:10] <IntelCore> might pewin/bcd the file?
[21:10] <TheShagg> Simple question: If I install the 20.04 beta, I assume I can easily install updates as they come to get my system up to the official release, once it comes?
[21:11] <TheShagg> I'm setting up a new computer and want the new LTS, but I don't want to wait til the end of the month
[21:11] <Wanderer> TheShagg, I personally do so every LTS. No way to know for sure, but I would be all will be fine.
[21:12] <Wanderer> I am 20.04 on 4 devices.
[21:12] <dax> !final
[21:12] <Wanderer> sorry grammer
[21:12] <TheShagg> great, thanks all!
[21:14] <TheShagg> I've been playing with fedora (I need some newer virtualization features for GPU passthrough), but I've been having terrible luck with problems with drive encryption. I'm hoping the new Ubuntu LTS will cover all my bases and just work + be stable.
[21:14] <IntelCore> April 16th is release.. that is.. point release
[21:15] <nakedgoat> if I remove the netplan settings I added, and reboot it's fine.. it's a vm..
[21:15] <IntelCore> july 2020
[21:16] <IntelCore> is a vm persistent.?
[21:17] <nakedgoat> yea
[21:19] <nakedgoat> I have 50-cloud-init.yaml, which is the working one - I am adding 01-netcfg.yaml - which looks like this https://pastebin.com/mtqYLbjE
[21:22] <IntelCore> I open my connection from the desktop, and at the bottom it says - edit, then set dhcp auto. and don't tick nothing else..then the ethernet set-up, and the rest.. So, not sure if that helps
[21:23] <nakedgoat> it' headless
[21:24] <IntelCore> wifi security is where the password goes
[21:27] <pavlos> nakedgoat: can you comment out the macaddress ?
[21:27] <IntelCore> not in #ubuntu-server, I dunno
[21:28] <EriC^^> IntelCore: ok, type "ls -lR /boot/efi | nc termbin.com 9999"
[21:28] <EriC^^> IntelCore: "sudo ls -lR /boot/efi | nc termbin.com 9999"
[21:30] <IntelCore> https://termbin.com/w6aq
[21:35] <EriC^^> IntelCore: sec, looking
[21:37] <EriC^^> IntelCore: it looks like bootmgfw.efi.backup is missing now, but there's a bootmgr.efi not sure if that's the same?
[21:37] <EriC^^> let me see my own efi partition if i have that file
[21:38] <IntelCore> where will it be?
[21:40] <IntelCore> grubx64 and two others I see.
[21:41] <EriC^^> IntelCore: i have the file, its size is differentt than the bootmgfw.efi
[21:41] <EriC^^> -rwx------ 1 root root 1159520 Oct 16  2016 bootmgfw.efi.backup
[21:41] <EriC^^> -rwx------ 1 root root 1237912 Feb 10  2018 bootmgr.efi
[21:41] <IntelCore> bootx64.efi.bak in /boot/efi/EFI/Boot
[21:42] <EriC^^> IntelCore: great, i didnt notice that, that's it
[21:42] <IntelCore> bkpbootx64.efi same place
[21:43] <IntelCore> windows came up with a blank light blue screen, then restarted it.. then grub took over, but won't load windows
[21:44] <EriC^^> IntelCore: ok, type "sudo cp /boot/efi/efi/Boot/bootx64.efi.bak /boot/efi/efi/Microsoft/Boot/bootmgfw.efi.backup"
[21:46] <EriC^^> IntelCore: then type 'echo "" | sudo tee /etc/grub.d/25_custom'
[21:48] <IntelCore> echo "" |sudo tee /etc/grub.d/25_custom   -  no screen std out
[21:48] <EriC^^> IntelCore: did you run the cp command as well?
[21:49] <IntelCore> yes. no std out return.
[21:49] <IntelCore> did copy - yes
[21:50] <EriC^^> IntelCore: ok, type now 'grep "bootmgfw.efi.backup" /usr/lib/os-probes/mounted/efi/20microsoft'
[21:51] <EriC^^> does it show the line back in red?
[21:53] <IntelCore> red is the backup file?
[21:53] <IntelCore> bootmgfw=$(item_in_dir bootmgfw.efi.backup "$efi/$microsoft/$boot")
[21:55] <IntelCore> sda5 is D:\ win10 1909
[21:57] <untakenstupidnic> i have a legacy elementaryOS based on ubuntu 16.04 and don't want to lose all the programs i have on it, what is the best way to keep it?
[21:59] <EriC^^> IntelCore: yup that looks good
[21:59] <EriC^^> IntelCore: ok, type "sudo update-grub | nc termbin.com 9999"
[22:06] <EriC^^> IntelCore: ?
[22:07] <IntelCore> i got no termbin.com
[22:07] <IntelCore> it did update grub
[22:08] <IntelCore> in yer chat window
[22:11] <IntelCore> https://elementaryos.stackexchange.com/questions/6851/migrate-back-to-ubuntu
[22:11] <IntelCore> for u..
[22:11] <IntelCore> brb.. hold on
[22:15] <IntelCore> Wheee !!!!!!!!
[22:15] <IntelCore> on windows
[22:16] <IntelCore> EriC^  man, I'll send ya Stuff!
[22:16] <IntelCore> You got need in crisis. Call meh
[22:16] <IntelCore> I'll Help ya out
[22:17] <IntelCore> ty for helping the ubuntu boot grub
[22:17] <IntelCore> How you learned all that..is astonishing
[22:27] <AssociateX> I'm on a fresh install of Kubuntu 18.04, it's all updated. How do I get the a scroll click to lower a window/program?
[22:28] <lestac> hello! if anyone feel sick and want to try some alternatives, i found that channel what have bioresonances in youtube, hope can help some! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgMgef-nxELn8jaHV01w_Gw/videos
[22:30] <IntelCore> on a desktop. I click once up.. from the bar, and once on the bar(program) for it to go away. I noticed FireFox has no _box x.. at the top..
[22:31] <AssociateX> Thank you.
[22:31] <IntelCore> AssociateX, will it go away at the bar with another click
[22:32] <IntelCore> there's a wizard.. for how that acts, too
[22:32] <IntelCore> compiz can make 3d desk.. windows go wild
[22:35] <IntelCore> gnome settings
[22:38] <Jordan_U> Lukas_19: Please don't post videos / links that are not related to a specific Ubuntu support question. Posts like yours are considered spam here.
[22:45] <IntelCore> I wanna go show ubuntu to the library, but it's closed
[22:45] <IntelCore> :( better safe, tho.
[22:56] <snowpanda> Hi, I have a question that I'm hoping someone can help with. I'm trying to use x2go to connect to a remote Ubuntu instance. I can connect as root, but not as a user I created.
[22:57] <snowpanda> I've given the user I created ssh permissions, etc, so I'm not sure what's going on
[23:00] <xet7> snowpanda: Ask here instead: /join #x2go
[23:01] <snowpanda> thanks
[23:42] <semitones> is there a new command that gives you what your ip address is? ifconfig isn't installed so I'm guessing things have changed
[23:43] <dax> ip addr
[23:43] <dax> (ifconfig's been deprecated for years and years, `ip` replaces it and a bunch of other tools)
[23:44] <semitones> thanks dax!
[23:45] <semitones> ps, i happened to login today and find out that freenode just purged a bunch of old accounts... it's been a while
[23:45] <semitones> (including mine)
[23:56] <IntelCore> Thanks again #Ubuntu.. bee back l8tr


[09:53] <asac> hi
[11:29] <gnomefreak> asac: with SM2 i guess in beta they named it 2.0_2.1 sort of like SM1 1.1.x  so its still 2.0
[11:32] <asac> hmm
[11:32] <asac> not sure
[11:32] <asac> sounds odd
[11:32] <asac> gnomefreak: why do you think its a problem?
[11:32] <gnomefreak> asac: i thought the same but the 2.0 made me think that
[11:32] <asac> actually ... why do you think that they have such an odd version
[11:32] <gnomefreak> asac: i was hoping to build 2.0
[11:33] <gnomefreak> asac: 1.1.x i was thinking they would follow that versioning
[11:33] <gnomefreak> but the whole beta part makes me not sure
[11:34] <gnomefreak> i cant remember before 1.1.x if it was 1.0
[11:36] <gnomefreak> im going for a smoke and make coffee. let me know what you think (iwould rather stick with 2.0 before i move to 2.1 but not real sure how they name it anymore.
[11:44] <gnomefreak> asac: that is unless m-d adds the 2.0_ part of the 2.0_2.1 part of tarball. i have to try and fix coffee pot damnit
[13:04] <gnomefreak> kklimonda: ok heard back from upstream author for firegpg i will fix and update it when either the next release or the one after. That is when upstream plans to fix some other needed bug fixes.
[13:32] <gnomefreak> !password
[14:28] <gnomefreak> VeXaToR: what is the problem again?
[14:28] <gnomefreak> 3.5.3~hg20090801r26185+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1 doesnt give me a problem on youtube or myspace
[14:29] <VeXaToR> gnomefreak, Hi, videos are slow in shiretoko.
[14:29] <gnomefreak> VeXaToR: what flash are you using?
[14:29] <VeXaToR> gnomefreak, Where can I check?
[14:29] <gnomefreak> VeXaToR: apt-cache policy flashplugin-installer
[14:29] <gnomefreak> VeXaToR: 32bit or 64bit?
[14:30] <VeXaToR> gnomefreak, 32 I guess.
[14:30] <gnomefreak> you guess?
[14:30] <VeXaToR> gnomefreak,  flashplugin-installer:
[14:30] <VeXaToR>   Installiert: <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu2
[14:31] <gnomefreak> VeXaToR: apt-cache policy nspluginwrapper
[14:31] <VeXaToR> gnomefreak, not installed.
[14:31] <gnomefreak> VeXaToR: give me 2 websites that are slow for you please
[14:32] <gnomefreak> !info flashplugin-installer jaunty
[14:46] <asac> VeXaToR: antoher one is mozilla-plugin-gnash
[14:46] <VeXaToR> gnomefreak, How do I remove?
[14:46] <VeXaToR> asac, Not installed. :)
[14:46] <gnomefreak> asac: has the removal bug in gnash been fixed?
[14:46] <gnomefreak> VeXaToR: sudo apt-get remove swfdec-mozilla
[14:46] <asac> gnomefreak: removal bug?
[14:46] <gnomefreak> asac: perm bug. to be sure exavtly i would have to look it up
[14:47] <gnomefreak> asac: its the perm or post removal script
[14:48] <VeXaToR> gnomefreak, asac, awesome! Thank you. :)
[14:48] <asac> welcome
[14:48] <VeXaToR> gnomefreak, asac, it works just fine now.
[14:48] <asac> VeXaToR: one second
[14:48] <asac> VeXaToR: you can actually have multiple flash players installed and then use tools -> manage content plugins
[14:49] <asac> to switch them on the fly if you are on a site with flash ;)
[14:49] <gnomefreak> gnash is free why would we have swfdec (its been known to have issues IIRC
[14:49] <asac> anyway. i guess you dont want that ... so enjoy
[14:49] <asac> gnomefreak: its yet another alternative. ubuntu as the distro does not decide which alternatives to put in the archive
[14:50] <gnomefreak> ah
[14:50] <VeXaToR> asac, Thx! I try to run as easy as possible. I don't get all that stuff. :)
[14:50] <asac> we only decide what gets insatlled by default
[14:50] <gnomefreak> asac: there are 3 bugs that i see for gnash issue. bug 398213 is the one i was thinking of
[14:51] <gnomefreak> and the other 2 are post removale
[14:51] <gnomefreak> removal
[14:52] <gnomefreak> as i recall same problem with removal
[14:53] <VeXaToR> Cu l8r.
[14:55] <gnomefreak> bug 344019
[14:57] <gnomefreak> wht the hell did we do to update-alternatives that is causing all these bugs on it
[14:58] <gnomefreak> "we" as in Ubuntu
[15:00] <gnomefreak> ok today is over for me at least for a few hours.
[16:17] <fta> ff 3.6 regressed
[16:18] <asac> jdstrand: seems we need nss in the -security ppa before we can actually build xulrunner :(
[16:19] <asac> so tomorrow monring QA on nss/nspr?
[16:19] <asac> jdstrand: or do you have the VMs ready so we can do a quick check?
[16:20] <asac> fta: which way?
[16:22] <fta> asac, several.. the text selection i've already mentioned, some bad rendering (for ex the ubuntu forums sometimes are not rendered at all until i force a repaint by scrolling up and down)
[16:22] <fta> the sound is broken once again, locking up the browser
[16:23] <fta> it takes 20%~40% cpu even when idle
[16:24] <fta> all form fields have artifacts, but it suspect it's gtk
[16:24] <fta> (or the darkroom theme)
[16:32] <asac> hmm
[16:32] <asac> fta: lets wait till tomorrow and hope that there is some major rework going on that will cure things when getting closer to finish
[16:33] <fta> most are several weeks old
[16:44] <asac> bdrung: was there anything I failed to commit?
[16:44] <asac> (-devscripts)
[17:14] <bdrung> asac: yes, the latest development status. i will create a branch for it and push it to lp, if you like.
[17:24] <asac> bdrung: what features are added
[17:24] <asac> ?
[17:24] <asac> the sol eol stuff?
[17:24] <bdrung> asac: yes.
[17:25] <bdrung> asac: to make it perfect we need a debian package versioning policy, to be ably to specify limits like firefox-3.0 (>> 3.0.9)
[17:25] <asac> bdrung: yeah that would be great then. i think we should somehow document what version to add ;)
[17:25] <asac> e.g. what to choose for sol ;)
[17:26] <asac> bdrung: ah right.
[17:26] <asac> bdrung: lets get this committed and i can then open discussion with the debian folks ;)
[17:26] <bdrung> asac: for sol i would use the lowest version that hits the archive
[17:26] <asac> bdrung: you are subscribed to debian mozilla lists now?
[17:26] <bdrung> asac: yes
[17:26] <asac> bdrung: ok. lets do that then
[17:26] <asac> lowest version that hit the archive
[17:27] <bdrung> asac: maybe we should rename the mozcmp tool to "moz-version" and use it like "moz-version --compare 1.0 lt 2.0".
[17:28] <bdrung> asac: then we could add features like "moz-version --transform" which would transform 2.0a1 to 2.0~a1
[17:29] <asac> bdrung: would be fine with me
[17:29] <asac> sounds like a plan
[17:30] <bdrung> asac: ok, i will do it and push it to lp "when it's done" (TM). :)
[17:36] <asac> thx
[17:42] <bdrung> asac: how about making MOZ_EXTENSION_PKG optional? if this variable is empty, we could use the first binary package listed in debian/control, couldn't we?
[17:43] <asac> bdrung: probably right
[17:44] <bdrung> asac: ok, i add this to my todo list.
[17:44] <asac> bdrung: yeah. i would like to get 0.14 out ... 0.15 will still be in karmic, so i would suggest to add that for that
[17:44] <bdrung> asac: ok
[17:49] <bdrung> packages_{ec8030f7-c20a-464f-9b0e-13a3a9e97384} := abrowser-3.0 abrowser-3.5 abrowser-3.6 firefox-3.0 firefox-3.5 firefox-3.6 iceweasel
[17:49] <bdrung> packages_{3550f703-e582-4d05-9a08-453d09bdfdc6} := icedove thunderbird thunderbird-3.0
[17:49] <bdrung> packages_{92650c4d-4b8e-4d2a-b7eb-24ecf4f6b63a} := seamonkey
[17:49] <bdrung> packages_{a79fe89b-6662-4ff4-8e88-09950ad4dfde} := conkeror
[17:49] <bdrung><EMAIL_ADDRESS>:= prism
[17:49] <bdrung> asac: am i missing a package? should i already list firefox-3.6?
[18:07] <asac> bdrung: hmm. didnt i add prism and xulrunner (toolkit@mozilla.org)?
[18:07] <asac> bdrung: also sunbird and songbird
[18:08] <bdrung> asac: prism is in the list. xulrunner, sunbird, songbird were not
[18:08] <asac> bdrung: yeah so xulrunner-1.X is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:08] <asac> with sol 1.9a1pre and eol 1.9.0.* for xulrunner-1.9
[18:09] <asac> and sol 1.9.1a1pre and eol 1.9.1.* for 1.9.1
[18:09] <asac> and sol 1.9.2a1pre and eol 1.9.2.* for 1.9.2
[18:12] <bdrung> asac: ok, done
[18:14] <bdrung> asac: the list is getting very long. should i put it into an extra file?
[18:14] <bdrung> asac: or maybe at the end of the file?
[18:15] <bdrung> asac: what is the string for sunbird and songbird?
[18:16] <bdrung> asac: i cannot find songbird in the repos
[18:17] <asac> bdrung: ok. lets leave songbird for now
[18:17] <asac> not so sure about the extra file
[18:18] <asac> if we do that we probably want something better than the current make format (more readable)
[18:18] <bdrung> 50 lines
[18:18] <bdrung> asac: ok, then we leave it in there, till we find a better format for that.
[18:18] <asac> so lets do the extra file for 0.15
[18:18] <asac> right
[18:18] <bdrung> asac: should i move the list to the end of the file?
[18:18] <asac> i will think about a format. ... but probably xml
[18:19] <bdrung> asac: then you have the write the parsing routine. ;)
[18:19] <asac> bdrung: i think its ok to keep it there as we are going to move it to an extra file. lets mark it as "DATA" thing
[18:19] <bdrung> # DATA
[18:19] <bdrung> or how?
[18:20] <asac> whatever you think is appropriate ;)
[18:20] <asac> lets leave it as it is
[18:20] <asac> its going away at some point ;)
[18:21] <bdrung> asac: my comments are normally very short and sometimes not very meaningfull.
[18:22] <bdrung> asac: what to use as sol for conkeror? http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/c/conkeror/conkeror_0.9~git090223-1/changelog
[18:24] <asac> bdrung: ask the maintainer ;)? who is that?
[18:24] <bdrung> asac: Axel Beckert
[18:33] <bdrung> asac: do you know if he is active on irc?
[18:41] <asac> bdrung: good question ... whats his next?
[18:41] <bdrung> asac, fta: what is the sol of prism (upstream version of first debian package that was uploaded)?
[18:45] <asac> bdrung: i think its ok to check https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/prism
[18:45] <asac> ok have to run .... cu tomorrow!
[18:45] <bdrung> asac: cu
[18:46] <bdrung> asac: but what equals 0.8+svn20071115r8030?
[19:13] <fta> asac, NUMJOBS := -j$(shell getconf _NPROCESSORS_ONLN 2>/dev/null || echo 1)
[19:13] <fta> this is in ffmpeg-debian
[20:21] <BUGabundo> hey
[20:24] <micahg> hey
[20:24] <BUGabundo> ola micahg


[11:27] <yofel_> hi after taking some time off IRC
[11:27] <yofel> (which included telegram in case you tried to reach me through that)
[11:30] <yofel> reason why I'm concerned enough to pop up: We have 13 days left until half of the KC expires, anyone time to organise an election with yet another modified timeframe (which IMO will have to be a bit longer than 2 weeks)
[11:37] <yofel> *does anyone time to organise an election with yet another modified timeframe (which IMO will have to be a bit longer than 2 weeks)?
[11:54] <ahoneybun> yofel: since we need more then 2 weeks then should just extend the current ones till a month or so once the email is sent out
[11:55] <ahoneybun> but I don't think a lot of people will vote/put their name in tbh
[11:56] <yofel> fine with me, and we'll see how it'll turn out. You do have a point
[11:57] <ahoneybun> I've only seen 2/6 member really active (life happens) so not sure
[12:00] <clivejo> hi yofel :)  long time no see!
[12:00] <yofel> o/
[12:01] <clivejo> how are things with you?
[12:02] <clivejo> did you enjoy your trip?
[12:17] <clivejo> any objections to https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2017-August/011318.html ?
 I think that's -devel no?
[12:47] <clivejo> https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/kubuntu
[12:47] <clivejo> just these three by looks of it
[16:11] <tsimonq2> clivejo: no objections from me
 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-news-team/2017-August/002703.html
[17:34] <valorie[m]> Congratulations Simon!
[17:35] <tsimonq2> Thanks valorie[m] :D
[20:20] <valorie> oh my gosh, I totally forgot about K C dates
[20:21] <valorie> and it's not on our Kubuntu calendar
[20:21] <valorie> what an oversight
[20:21] <valorie> :(
[20:39] <valorie> so, anybody here not running who can conduct the election quick-like?
[20:39] <valorie> ahoneybun, clivejo, claydoh, Mamarok, yofel ?
[20:40] <valorie> or I can, I guess, I believe I have another year on my term
[20:40] <valorie> looks like yofel ran the last one
[20:40] <ahoneybun> how would I run it if I would be running?
[20:41] <ahoneybun> I think I ran the last one to get clivejo in
[20:41] <valorie> imo: look at list archives, and just change the call as needed
[20:41] <valorie> and send out pdq
[20:41] <ahoneybun> I'm running again so I can't do it
[20:41] <ahoneybun> since I don't anyone new is stepping up
[20:41] <valorie> right, good, I'm glad you are running
[20:41] <ahoneybun> *think anyone
[20:42] <valorie> well, we should urge some of the new people to run
[20:42] <valorie> I do not like this do-nothing council
[20:42] <valorie> well, part of it
[20:42] <ahoneybun> I said to add us back for a few months till we get some new folks
[20:42] <valorie> you have been active, and so have I
[20:42] <ahoneybun> well life happens and sometimes you need to step back a bit
[20:42] <ahoneybun> both of which I understand
[20:42] <valorie> and clive stayed active even though he left the council
[20:43] <valorie> me too
[20:43] <ahoneybun> yea
[20:43] <valorie> so I hope he runs again
[20:43] <ahoneybun> I don't see much of Mamarok or claydoh tbh
[20:43] <ahoneybun> only want it's election time I think
[20:43] <ahoneybun> *when
[20:44] <ahoneybun> I also want clivejo back on
[20:44] <ahoneybun> I think the council should be half community stuff and half dev stuff
[20:44] <ahoneybun> so we can see both POVs
[20:46] <ahoneybun> next cycle I'd like the devs to look at snaps and flatpaks more
[20:46] <valorie> well, both should be represented, for sure
[20:46] <valorie> but everyone should *contribute*
[20:46] <ahoneybun> tthey can
[20:46] <ahoneybun> I have flatpaks installed fine
[20:46] <ahoneybun> needed to build the new ones for artful of course
[20:47] <ahoneybun> Kube runs in flatpak, just with Intel I think
[20:48] <ahoneybun> valorie: https://launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/+archive/ubuntu/artful-flatpak
[20:48] <ahoneybun> they build fine
[20:49] <valorie> I'm sure we would have to lead on flatpak if we want it, since ubuntu focuses on snaps
[20:49] <valorie> sec
[20:49] <ahoneybun> yea both are cool in their own way, KDE kinda seems to be moving to flatpak tho
[21:22] <valorie> mmmm, some are
[21:22] <valorie> some more to appimage
[21:22] <valorie> and certainly some to snaps
[21:22] <valorie> even though flatpak has the k
[21:22] <valorie> lol
[21:22] <ahoneybun> lol
[21:30] <valorie> yofel: hi
[21:31] <valorie> sorry to just ignore that you came back! and focus on business
[21:31] <valorie> how are ya?
[21:31] <valorie> missed you while you were gone
[21:31] <valorie> so, nobody else spoke up to run the election so I will do it
[21:32] <tsimonq2> I'm thinking of running just for the hell of it :P
[21:44] <valorie> proposed schedule:
[21:44] <valorie> Nomination period: Now to 2017-09-04
[21:44] <valorie> Ballot Preparation: 2017-09-04 to the next day
[21:44] <valorie> Voting Period: 2017-09-04 to 2017-09-09
[21:44] <valorie> End Poll/Results Announced: 2017-09-09
[21:44] <valorie> New Term Begins: 2017-09-09
[21:45] <valorie> i know it's quick, but does that sound reasonable?
 5 days?
[22:01] <valorie> not reasonable?
 not really
[22:01] <valorie> propose a schedule to me?
[22:02] <valorie> a week for nomination and a week for voting/
[22:02] <valorie> ?
 better
[22:05] <valorie> ok, I'll revise
[22:09] <valorie> Nomination period: Now to 2017-09-04
[22:09] <valorie> Ballot Preparation: 2017-09-04 to the next day
[22:10] <valorie> Voting Period: 2017-09-04 to 2017-09-11
[22:10] <valorie> End Poll/Results Announced: 2017-09-11
[22:10] <valorie> New Term Begins: 2017-09-11
 Wondered why my ears were burning
[22:22] <valorie> ok, gonna send?
[22:24] <clivejo> you want me to run it?
[22:32] <ahoneybun> valorie: btw the Spotify flatpak has notification support for Plasma's media player
[22:38] <valorie> clivejo: I would have said yes, but I already started
[22:39] <valorie> unless you want me to copy the email to you and you can put your name on it?
[22:39] <valorie> I do have other stuff to do.....
[22:41] <clivejo> me too, for $ stuff
[22:42] <valorie> clivejo: I can copy to a pastebin, or just email only to you instead of the lists
[22:42] <clivejo> but Ill do it if you want
[22:42] <valorie> your call
[22:42] <tsimonq2> clivejo: So what do we need MOTU'ed in?
[22:42] <clivejo> all KDE stuff
[22:44] <clivejo> I thought it had to be one of the current KC members who seat is safe
[22:44] <clivejo> ie you, yofel or Mamarok
[22:45] <valorie> not afaik
[22:45] <valorie> any kub member can do it
[22:46] <clivejo> ok, sure email me it over
[22:48] <valorie> sent to your kubuntu address
[22:49] <clivejo> where do I need to send to?
[22:49] <clivejo> devel ML ?
[22:49] <valorie> I put a line at the bottome
[22:49] <valorie> -e
[22:49] <valorie> devel, users, council
[22:54] <valorie> http://kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-artful-aardvark-17-10-beta-1-testing/
[22:54] <valorie> any last minute corrections before we begin pushing this out?
 Nope
[23:05] <valorie> ok, please push out folks
[23:06] <valorie> I always forget reddit etc.
[23:06] <valorie> if someone has more experience than me at that, please post
 Artful Beta 1 testing … http://kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-artful-aardvark-17-10-beta-1-testing/
 Opps it's on reddit in /r/Kubuntu
[23:20] <valorie> nice
[23:20] <valorie> urgh, nothing on twitter yet?
[23:21] <valorie> sigH
[23:21] <valorie> or mastodon
 I've not gotten there het
 Twitter and Mastodon is done
 Good I hate that this client does not support multiple accounts
 Ah it's just this client
[23:34] <valorie> what client?
 Tusky
[23:34] <valorie> I gave up on using them years back and just use the web twitter etc.
 Best looking one
[23:34] <valorie> oh
 Talon for twitter
[23:35] <valorie> got that on my phone but I doubt I ever used it
 It's pretty dam good
 damn
[23:35] <valorie> there used to be chocoq or so
[23:35] <valorie> but it sucked
 Well that's desktop
 Might as well use web tbh
 I think that's still alive somewhere
 What's with the questions on the ML?
[23:37] <valorie> I want people who are running to talk about what they want to do
[23:37] <valorie> clive removed that from the mail, so i'm asking individually
 Mm I wonder why he did that
[23:41] <valorie> he wanted to run it, he's running it, and that's cool
 Mm I don't like answering that and then I don't actually finish it
[23:42] <valorie> why?
[23:42] <valorie> we all change focus sometimes
[23:42] <valorie> and it isn't a specific question
[23:43] <valorie> I think you should brag on your docs and moving them to sphinx
[23:43] <valorie> that was huge
[23:43] <valorie> and while you're at it, spam for more contributors to the docs
[23:43] <valorie> etc.
[23:43] <valorie> sell yourself
 I'm personally thinking of stripping the docs a bit and adding more Ubuntu stuff
 "I am a Red Bull-powered packaging machine and human Lintian. Vote for me! "
 I want to work on KDE docs more but not sure how to go about that since the channel is dead a lot
 It's only huge if I can get them to auto deploy to the doc site
 @yofel help with that?
[23:48] <clivejo> I didn't remove it, just re-worded it a bit
[23:49] <clivejo> "This schedule shortens all the timelines. Please nominate yourselves or others quickly, so we can get to voting quickly. Please mention what you would like to accomplish within the Kubuntu project (Why people should vote for you)"
 Again, I'll be running. :P
[23:49] <clivejo> put in your email :P
[23:49] <valorie> clivejo: sorry to mis-characterize
 OK :P
[23:50] <valorie> it sounds better than my version
[23:50] <clivejo> I just wanted to personalise it a bit
[23:51] <valorie> it sounds good
[23:51] <ahoneybun> valorie: tbf on the docs, I did that a while ago I think
[23:51] <valorie> .... which is fine, but this is an election, so you should sell your candidacy
[23:52] <valorie> and I'm picking on you because you spoke up first, thus can be the example for the rest
 @valorie, Can I sell Red Bull too? :P
[23:54] <valorie> NO
[23:54] <valorie> horrors!
[23:55] <ahoneybun> yofel: ping
[23:57] <ahoneybun> valorie: SeaGL did not take my talk
[23:58] <valorie> boo
[23:58] <ahoneybun> yea
[23:58] <valorie> I ran out of time to even think of a talk
[23:58] <valorie> much less submit one


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