[13:37] <Encrypt> Hi everybody! :)
[13:38] <Encrypt> Do you have any release date for the Ubuntu TV software?
[13:38] <Encrypt> I'm really waiting for it, it'll be fun when it is finished! :)
[18:13] <makdaz7> hi


[17:58] <mup> Issue operator#796 opened: Temper the chattiness of DEBUG logs <Created by marcoppenheimer> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/796>
[21:57] <mup> Issue operator#761 closed: Do not log "legacy hook does not exist" for sidecar charms <Created by sed-i> <Closed by sed-i> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/761>


[06:52] <henkpoley> Is MythBuntu 12.04 / Precise in any good shape? I'm forced to upgrade some hardware, and it basically runs under Linux kernel 3.2, so I'm wondering if I can just upgrade to the newt LTS during the beta cycle.
[06:58] <henkpoley> Oooh, 12.04 Beta 2 release notes have some mythbuntu specific comments: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/TechnicalOverview/Beta2#Mythbuntu-1
[06:58] <Zinn> [wiki.ubuntu.com] PrecisePangolin/TechnicalOverview/Beta2 - Ubuntu Wiki
[06:58] <henkpoley> I guess MCC = Myth Control Center, or somesuch ?


[01:10] <kitche> so did you guys put in extra bots in the channel or no?
[01:13] <nalioth> extra bots?
[01:14] <kitche> yeah in #ubuntu there is sudobash
[01:16] <Pici> thats a person
[01:16] <kitche> ah with a google script must be
[01:17] <nalioth> yes, so it seems
[01:20] <Pici> kitche: thanks
[01:20] <Pici> He said he'd disable it...
[01:23] <Pici> sudobash: I've removed your mute.  Please keep those type of scripts disabled.  If you want to suggest a factoid to the bot that uses that url, that is fine :)
[01:23] <sudobash> cool
[01:24] <sudobash> what do you have to do to become an ubuntu op?
[01:25] <Pici> The IRC Council, along with current ops pick a helpful individual from the IRC community, its based on many factors
[01:26] <sudobash> cool thanks...
[01:40]  * nickrud still wonders why he got singled out
[01:44] <Jack_Sparrow> Ed McMahon show up at your door?
[01:45] <Jack_Sparrow> nickrud
[01:45] <nickrud> please, I don't think I need Ed and his problems on MY doorstep
[01:46] <vorian> haha
[02:31] <bazhang> wow.
[02:31] <Pici> wow indeed.
[02:33] <nalioth> ##politics ( why are we not surprised? )
[02:33] <bazhang> hehe
[02:34] <ajmitch> bazhang: sorry, we have #ubuntu-wow for talking about wow
[02:34] <Pici> nalioth: hmm?
[02:35] <bazhang> ajmitch, awesome :)
[02:35] <ajmitch> bazhang: well some of us got a little too off-topic in -motu & -devel :)
[02:35] <bazhang> haha
[02:39] <nalioth> Pici: your gentleman offering the refreshing cup of STFU was visiting us from ##politics
[02:39] <Pici> nalioth: ah
[02:39] <Pici> I see
[02:40] <nalioth> and to catch everyone up in here, #politics is closed.  ##politics is now full of vermin
[02:40] <Pici> And is owned by staff, rorrect?
[02:43] <mneptok> i wonder what that guy would do if his offer was accepted.
[02:44] <mneptok> "I will not STFU, and the offer of hot mansex is actually quite appealing. Got a phone number?"
[02:46]  * nalioth points mneptok to ##politics
[02:46] <mneptok> nalioth: meh, i know the people behing EFnet's #politics if i ever feel that masochistic.
[02:46] <mneptok> *behind
[03:16]  * nickrud never understood the draw of observing vermin
[03:17]  * tritium enrolls nickrud in verminology 101
[03:18] <bazhang> that is one foul channel.
[03:19] <nickrud> tritium thank you, but I took that course watching the primaries
[03:20] <tritium> nickrud: indeed!
[03:20] <nickrud> so I guess I do understand the draw after all, it's like slowing down for a traffic accident ;(
[04:00] <Hobbsee> Mez: so, want to help me draft a message to the CC, about corruption on the irc council, and mass conflict of interest?
[04:01] <Hobbsee> or mneptok?
[04:02] <Hobbsee> seeing as we now have a freenode-dominated council.
[04:33] <nickrud> no that is one conversation stopper
[04:33] <nickrud> s/no/now/
[04:48] <Hobbsee> nickrud: heh
[05:33] <Hobbsee> nickrud: wow, it really was.
[05:33] <nickrud> are you surprised?
[05:35] <Hobbsee> somewhat.
[05:41]  * ajmitch attempts to revive it
[05:41]  * wgrant kills ajmitch.
[05:42]  * mneptok looses a splintering fart
[05:42]  * wgrant watches the channel empty.
[05:42]  * Hobbsee puts peg on nose
[05:42] <mneptok> nickrud: you're welcome.
[05:43] <ajmitch> wgrant: kind of you
[05:46] <nickrud> So, what about that Tiger Woods?
[05:53] <ajmitch> who's he?
[05:54] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: ...
[05:54] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: even i know who that is.

[05:54] <Hobbsee> oh good.
[05:55] <ajmitch> sorry, didn't think I needed to make it explicit :)
[06:01] <tritium> Hi ajmitch, Hobbsee!
[06:01] <Hobbsee> hey tritium!
[06:02] <ajmitch> hey tritium
[06:02] <ajmitch> long long time no see :)
[06:02] <tritium> Yeah!
[06:02] <tritium> How are you?
[06:02] <ajmitch> good, busy, how are you?
[06:02] <tritium> Doing well, thanks.  Also busy.
[06:03]  * ajmitch just got warned that the next few weeks at work will be hectic
[06:03] <ajmitch> not looking forward to it
[06:03] <tritium> Hang in there!
[06:04] <ajmitch> after that I've got a couple of weeks away from work
[06:04] <tritium> Sounds good.
[06:05] <tritium> What's new with you, Hobbsee
[06:05] <tritium> ?
[06:06] <Hobbsee> tritium: exams and such
[06:06] <tritium> Oh, fun times.  Good luck!
[06:12]  * ajmitch should probably try & sleep early tonight
[06:13] <tritium> I should sleep soon as well.
[06:13]  * ajmitch is still at work, doing stuff on the other screen :)
[06:26]  * ajmitch is now walking home, however
[06:26] <tritium> Good night, ajmitch!
[07:16] <jussi01> hello all
[07:26] <Myrtti> MUR
[07:41] <Myrtti> remind me again when I say that I'm reinstalling Ubuntu to PICK THE GODDAMNED 32-BIT VERSION
[07:41] <Myrtti> kthxbye
[07:43] <bazhang> jethroeclaudus in #u
[07:44]  * jussi01 pokes all those people I just added to facebook to confirm me...
[07:51] <bazhang> second coming of robg
 •daeos• go find x.conf and edit it
[07:55] <Myrtti> yay, I'm getting company business cards
[07:59] <Mez> Hobbsee, was that meant at me ?
[07:59] <Hobbsee> Mez: yes, but don't worry now.
[08:00] <jussi01> Mez: facebook! :) and anyone else who knows me and doesnt have me, add Jussi Schultink
[08:00] <Mez> Hobbsee, couldnt tell if the line after was a "I mis-tab-completed"
[08:01] <Hobbsee> Mez: ahh.  nope
[08:12]  * Myrtti sighs at her guinea pigs
[08:13] <Myrtti> all problems in the world are caused by MEN! I'm sure of it!
[08:13] <Myrtti> Power to WOMEN!
[08:13] <Myrtti> (I'll have Laku castrated *grumblegrumble*)
[08:14]  * Mez :'(s at Myrtti
[08:15] <Myrtti> I'm sure fire and wheel were invented by a man
[08:15] <Myrtti> AND look what mess that has caused us!
[08:15] <Myrtti> global warming, that's what!
[08:16]  * Myrtti giggles and pats Mez on cheek
[08:17]  * Mez yawns
[08:18] <jussi01> ROFL!!! http://foxinni.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/youre-programming-communism.jpg
[08:18]  * Myrtti yawns, waves a "That's older than Jebus" sign at jussi01
[08:19]  * jussi01 emerges from the dark ages
[08:34] <stdin> woo, link works in my python powered Qt browser
[08:38] <stgraber> Hey there, who should I ask to have ubuntulog in #ubuntu-testing (QA team channel) ?
[08:38] <stdin> [ubuntulog] (n=logbot@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog): log bot:: contact<EMAIL_ADDRESS>;)
[08:39] <stgraber> ok, so that's Canonical sysadmin, thanks. Will open a ticket
[10:13] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: could you recall a recent conflict of interest that me or nal suffered when making a decision for the ircc?
[10:14] <PriceChild> Ok, we don't agree with you... but that is not corruption, that is not because we are furthering freenode at the expense of ubuntu.
[10:17] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, i dont believe you gave ljl sufficient time to respond to the email requesting he vote. i havent posted to a mailing list for 9 days either. does that mean im half-inactive?
[10:18] <bazhang> lnf, you understand why you were banned?
[10:18] <lnf> yes
[10:18] <bazhang> !coc | lnf read this
[10:18] <bazhang> !guidelines | lnf and this
[10:20] <bazhang> lnf, you were asked to stop cursing and warned about being offtopic
[10:22] <bazhang> lnf, have you read those documents?
[10:22] <PriceChild> elkbuntu: his vote wasn't necessary for a decision to be made, and I would rather we go with what we had than wait days and suffer further.
[10:23] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: the CC does not act in that manner.
[10:23] <elkbuntu> his vote most likely would have changed the decision altogether!
[10:23] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: why is it then OK for the irc council to do so?
[10:23] <Daviey> elkbuntu: you have had a visible presence here.. if members of the CC council don't turn up to vote - they don't get a chance.  I would imagine that if ljl wanted to vote he would have.  It's not as if he was excluded, and certain memebers of the council made the decision themseleves
[10:24] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: our council charters says we need at least half, and at least 3 people when taking a vote. That's what we have. I see no problem.
[10:24] <elkbuntu> Daviey, how was he to know there was a vote up, if he's occupied with work?
[10:24] <PriceChild> elkbuntu: he's been repeatedly pinged for some time, he's inactive.
[10:24] <bazhang> lnf, you still awake?
[10:24] <Daviey> ... and you think that's the only reason elkbuntu ?
[10:24] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, on IRC, sure
[10:25] <Hobbsee> Daviey: if he wanted to quit the team, he'd likely send a resignation mail, and deactivate himself.
[10:25] <elkbuntu> Daviey, i know it's not, and i know that his reason for prioritising work is because this keeps happening.
[10:25] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, precisely
[10:25] <Daviey> Hobbsee: i didn't suggest this
[10:25] <Hobbsee> Daviey: as that *hasn't* happened, it's likely that he does *not* wish to quit the team, and that elkbuntu's given reason is far more likely.
[10:26] <Daviey> and?
[10:26] <Daviey> What do you honestly wish to achieve ?
[10:26] <elkbuntu> a balanced vote
[10:26] <bazhang> lnf, if you are not going to respond then there is no reason to idle here. Please read the /topic.
[10:27] <PriceChild> If he's only away because this keeps happenning, then I'm unsure why you have a problem with me *still following our rules* to try and fix things to make them nice again so he can return.
[10:27] <Hobbsee> Daviey: me?  an irc council that represents the views of the ubuntu community, the CC, and the ubuntu ops teams well.  Which includes things like fairness and balanced votes.
[10:27] <Daviey> From where i'm stood, the whole team is rather fragmented.. it needs to heal.  Kicking up more stink about, what i see, is a minor issue -isn't helping.
[10:27] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: we had a fair and balanced vote... that is what the charter is written for, to make things happen properly.
[10:27] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, i hate to inform you but this will only push him away further. congratulations, you just broke things more.
[10:27] <Daviey> Well i think PriceChild has showed excellent judgement through this episode, and i will certainly be supporting him if it reaches the CC
[10:28] <Hobbsee> Daviey: the CC never votes with partial people.  They make sure they get a quorum, 3/5, at least, for every issue they take.  If you can provide me wiht a case where this *isn't* the case, and it isn't a sabdfl veto, please do it.
[10:28] <PriceChild> elkbuntu: tell me that again if emma comes back complaining.
[10:28] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: we had quorum
[10:28] <Hobbsee> Daviey: until then, it sounds like you need to do a little more research.
[10:28] <Daviey> ahh
[10:28] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: you had 4 people sitting on that council, and you had 2 who said yes.  that is *not* quorum.
[10:28] <Daviey> Hobbsee, stop trolling - please.
[10:28] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, wow so complaining to high heck *really does* get one unbanned
[10:28] <elkbuntu> lnf, take notes, this is how you get unbanned.
[10:29] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: the charter states that we need 3 people when taking a vote, and their majority is the decision
[10:29] <Hobbsee> Daviey: trolling?  i'm pointing out that your statement is inaccurate, and that spreading untruthes is unhelpful.
[10:29] <Daviey> i'm not
[10:29] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, if your reasons of unbanning is 'to shut her up' then i will be seconding hobbsee's vote of no confidence
[10:29] <elkbuntu> you've just invited every troll to complain their bans away
[10:29] <elkbuntu> thanks for nothing
[10:29] <elkbuntu> Daviey, hobbsee is not trolling any more than you are.
[10:30] <Daviey> Oh ok.. be petty.
[10:31] <elkbuntu> Daviey, nothing petty. you're doing the exact same thing as she is, but against me rather than pricey.
[10:31] <Daviey> elkbuntu: what have i said about you?
[10:31] <PriceChild> elkbuntu: so why don't you tell Hobbsee to stop, if she's "as bad" as Daviey?
[10:31] <elkbuntu> Daviey, i dunno, your synchronised piping up with emma yesterday has me rather freaked out
[10:31] <Daviey> elkbuntu: Did i claim you were corrupt?
[10:32] <Daviey> synchronised?!
[10:32] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, i'll ask her to stop when you ask daviey to stop.
[10:32] <PriceChild> elkbuntu: This isn't like a team battle....
[10:32]  * Hobbsee wonders why Daviey, a loco op, is in here anyway.  surely he should be in #ubuntu-irc?
[10:32] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, then why do you want me to ask hobbsee to stop?
[10:32] <Hobbsee> but i'm sure that's another issue for another day.
[10:33]  * Mez headdesks repeatedly
[10:33] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: daviey is a member of the ubuntu-irc team
[10:33]  * elkbuntu goes to see who she can approve to the team...
[10:33] <elkbuntu> ikonia, welcome aboard.
[10:33] <PriceChild> elkbuntu: I never asked that. I was just suggesting that if you think both of them are doing the same, but against different people, its a little wrong to just ask the person who you don't agree with to stop.
[10:34] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, when did i ask him to stop?
[10:34] <PriceChild> elkbuntu: i don't think the council would vote against his membership in the team, but lets do things properly, and not 'use' him.
[10:35] <elkbuntu> who says i'd be using him?
[10:35] <bazhang> !idle | lnf
[10:35] <Hobbsee> Daviey: why do you support giving someone under 24 hours to respond, or else ignoring whatever they say?
[10:36] <lnf> bazhang: I kept falling asleep when reading, its
[10:36] <lnf> like 2:37
[10:36] <PriceChild> I think your statement <+elkbuntu> ikonia, welcome aboard. # is a little mean, implying you'll use him to keep him around to help yourself.
[10:36] <bazhang> lnf, come back in a day or two then when you have enough sleep
[10:37] <lnf> fine
[10:37] <elkbuntu> that would make us even, since <24hrs to respond to an email is quite mean too.
[10:37] <PriceChild> You also haven't asked daviey to stop, I haven't suggested that, that hasn't stopped a different treatment though.
[10:37]  * Mez wonders waht the "welcome aboard" comment mean? ... is ikonia now an op?
[10:37] <PriceChild> Mez: she was being sarcy. We can sort out new ops at a quieter time.
[10:38]  * Mez now realises why Myrtti parted
[10:39] <mc44> Seriously.  It's just IRC, it doesn't really matter. You as a council have hardly any work to do, certainly way less than you spend arguing. You're all taking things far to personally. Why don't you all just step back, think about *why* you care so much about the issue.
[10:39] <Daviey> +1
[10:40] <Mez> +1
[10:42] <mc44> anyway, it's none of my business :)
[10:42] <elkbuntu> mc44, i personally care because a still misbehaving user only has to complain their ban away.
[10:43] <bazhang> lnf probably should not be unbanned, at least for a day or two.
[10:44] <elkbuntu> bazhang, unless he complains, you mean?
[10:44]  * Mez summed up his feelings about this whole IRC thing in a blog post last night
[10:44] <Mez> http://www.sourceguru.net/archives/132
[10:46] <bazhang> elkbuntu, even then his actions are very clearcut; come in cursing, advocating 'Use CEntos!!!!', ignoring warnings about language and offtopic, then repeating.
[10:46] <elkbuntu> bazhang, yes, but complaining seems to work if you do it to the point that certain ops unban to stop the complaining.
[10:47] <elkbuntu> not because what is said is correct... just to stop the complaining
[10:47] <elkbuntu> not because the behaviour is fixed... just to stop the complaining
[10:48] <elkbuntu> and yes, i'm complaining now... since it clearly works.
[10:49]  * Mez thinks of a simple solution
[10:49] <Mez> Chop the current council - and start nominations from scratch
[10:49] <elkbuntu> that's what im hoping
[10:49] <Mez> elkbuntu, even as a current council member?
[10:49] <Hobbsee> Mez: i would expect that's what it comes down to.  however, there's no guarentee that the new council won't eventually get problems too, if they repeat the various behaviours of this one.
[10:50] <Mez> Hobbsee, well, if they do, then it seems that it's a bad choice on the IRC team.
[10:50]  * Mez also thinks that govenance should be followed.
[10:50] <elkbuntu> Mez, especially as a current council member. The only way i can have a voice at the moment is to abstain and use the 'less than three' loophole to obstruct. that's really unhealthy
[10:50] <elkbuntu> Mez, i strongly considered doing this, but i didnt. i might as well have bent over and asked for coarse sandpaper.
[10:51]  * Mez also agrees that the IRCC shouldn't be actively working as ops - only in cases where they need to. Other than that they should be there as a "goto" team.
[10:51] <Mez> and 2 years is too long
[10:51] <elkbuntu> Mez, you realise 'need to' is 'always' with 1000 user channels, right?
[10:52] <Mez> elkbuntu, no.
[10:52] <elkbuntu> Mez, i only do things when i need to now.
[10:52] <Mez> elkbuntu, indeed, but if there arent enough ops to cover the channels, then there needs to be more ops.
[10:53] <elkbuntu> Mez, you're wanting to absorb 3 ops from the current stock to only be emergency status.
[10:53] <ikonia> ?
[10:53] <Mez> 3 ?
[10:53] <elkbuntu> Mez, typo
[10:53] <bazhang> beware ikonia :)
[10:53]  * Mez thinks that the Council should try and stay out of the main flow of things as much as they can.
[10:53] <ikonia> I've just logged in and seen a highlight, and I've no idea what's going on?
[10:54] <Mez> not get personally involved.
[10:54] <ikonia> have I done something ?
[10:54] <elkbuntu> Mez, with the current situation, the people who are best for ops duties are scared stiff, and those who are expressing interest are scaring me stiff.
[10:54] <Mez> If a Council Member makes a ban, then that is where it get ssticky
[10:54] <Mez> elkbuntu, lol
[10:54] <elkbuntu> Mez, it's not funny.
[10:54] <elkbuntu> Mez, the problematic bans are always the emergency ones.
[10:54] <Mez> elkbuntu, which is why I believe that the council should be reformed, and not be active as ops, so they can make unbiased decisions when things are bought to them
[10:55] <elkbuntu> so your theory is flawed from the outset.
[10:55] <Mez> elkbuntu, I don't think it is.
[10:55] <elkbuntu> btw, im the only one on the current council who is eager for a non-op on the council
[10:55] <elkbuntu> i mean, complete non-op.
[10:55] <Mez> I don't think that there should be a need for IRCC to step in unless there's not enough ops on the team
[10:56] <Mez> which should be a problem that the IRCC should be able to solve.
[10:56] <PriceChild> ikonia: nope, all is the same as it was.
[10:56] <ikonia> PriceChild: ??
[10:56] <ikonia> PriceChild: sorry, I'm missing something ?
[10:56] <Mez> If there are enough ops, then emergencys where the IRCC have to intervene shouldnt hapopen ofter
[10:56] <Mez> often *
[10:57] <elkbuntu> Mez, there are not enough ops though, and i fear the state of these channels if unsuitible people are recruited to 'make up numbers'
[10:58] <Mez> if there are enough ops, then why does the IRCC need to intervene?
[10:58] <PriceChild> ikonia: nope, just the usual.
[10:58] <Mez> and who says they'll be unsuitable?
[10:58] <Mez> IRC team members wont be added just for numbers, they'll be vetted, as we all were
[10:58] <PriceChild> Mez: elky just said there aren't enough ops, and unsuitable people shouldn't be hired just to make up numbers.
[10:58] <Mez> PriceChild, ah.
[10:58] <Mez> apologies, misread
[10:59] <elkbuntu> Mez, i can profile the current irc layout and know which people are suited for ophood and which are not, based on nearly a decade of real-time communication moderation.
[10:59] <Mez> I agree, unsuitable people shouldnt be jsut adderd to make up numbers
[10:59] <Mez> elkbuntu, and you don't think there is ANYONE suitable out there?
[10:59] <elkbuntu> Mez, sure, but they Do Not Want.
[10:59] <Mez> all of them ?
[10:59] <elkbuntu> if they did, we'd have them already -- trust us.
[10:59] <Mez> even some of the ones idling in here?
[11:00] <elkbuntu> yes, even some of the ones in here
[11:00] <Mez> elkbuntu, and may I say - your "holier than thou" attitude isnt nice
 Mez, i can profile the current irc layout and know which people are suited for ophood and which are not, based on nearly a decade of real-time communication moderation.
[11:00] <elkbuntu> Mez, being experienced isnt holier
[11:00] <Mez> comes across to me as you saying that you're the only person can do it
[11:01] <Mez> Anyway
[11:01] <Mez> I should be doing work
[11:01] <elkbuntu> im not the only person who can. when did having an opinion count as being holier?
[11:01] <Mez> It came acorss that way elkbuntu
[11:01] <elkbuntu> i'll make sure i dont quantify experience to you anymore then.
[11:01]  * Mez -> reboot
[11:02] <PriceChild> elkbuntu: there are a couple in here I think we should discuss as becoming ops some time.
[11:02] <Mez> elkbuntu, it seemed as if it was in opposition to what I was saying regarding the need for more ops... it came across as
[11:02] <Mez> "You say we need more ops - but you're obviously blind to the fact that I dont think there's anyone good enough
[11:02] <Mez> anyways
[11:02] <Mez> as I said
[11:02]  * Mez ->rebooty
[11:05]  * bazhang wonders if shakespeare's heirs will sue Mez for ipr infringement
[11:06] <elkbuntu> i wasnt aware shakespeare actually had heirs
[11:08] <PriceChild> https://edge.launchpad.net/inx fail
[11:08] <ikonia> PriceChild: what is the point of that product ?
[11:08] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, why? that's thoreoputic's project
[11:08] <elkbuntu> ikonia, PriceChild it's a training tool
[11:09] <PriceChild> not saying the project if fail
[11:09] <PriceChild> *is
[11:09] <PriceChild> i'm just amusing myself, remarking on the name
[11:09] <PriceChild> kinda trying to copy gnu, but not quite making it
[11:09] <PriceChild> or lame
[11:09] <elkbuntu> um, and wine?
[11:10] <elkbuntu> and a zillion other recursive acronyms?
[11:10] <PriceChild> yep
[11:10]  * PriceChild sneaks into launchpad and deletes their 'Is' then sleeps happy.
[11:11] <elkbuntu> btw, your access cleanout lost us thoreauputic as an op. he's been sporadically active in the same manner since the irc channels began
[11:13] <PriceChild> elkbuntu: It didn't.
[11:13] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, you talked to him
[11:13] <PriceChild> I haven't.
[11:13] <PriceChild> that I remember anyway..
[11:13] <PriceChild> but I haven't removed him as an op.
[11:15] <elkbuntu> he's in the #ubuntu list as inx-one but not as thoreauputic anymore, which means when he tried as thoreauputic he got nothing... or iirc anyway
[11:16] <bazhang> he came in briefly said he was removed, then said something to the effect of 'it's been fun' and then parted.
[11:16] <elkbuntu> i recall seeing him come in here totally confused though
[11:16] <elkbuntu> bazhang, yep. he's not the type to complain and argue. he would have just taken it and gone.
[11:17] <bazhang> very laid back about it iirc elkbuntu
[11:17] <PriceChild> elkbuntu: i think he needs to log out and reidentify.
[11:17] <PriceChild> But he definitely still has access.
[11:18] <PriceChild> wait no, doesn't need to log out and reidentify.... things should just still work fine
[11:22] <PriceChild> I guess he might have tried to op after the services change, when he was forcibly logged out or something similar?
[11:22] <elkbuntu> so would he be able to op up as thoreauputic, or would he need to be inx-one?
[11:22] <PriceChild> He can op as any of his linked nicks.
[11:22] <PriceChild> *grouped nicks
[11:23] <elkbuntu> it was soonish after the swap
[11:24] <PriceChild> that's probably why then
[11:24] <PriceChild> if you can give me a timestamp, I can check
[11:26] <elkbuntu> he seems to have been back according to my logs. he must have figured it out
[11:26] <elkbuntu> phew
[11:27] <PriceChild> ah I see, he checked for thoreauputic in the flags but didn't actually try to op
[11:28] <elkbuntu> my logs dont even have it, i suspect i might have seen it at work when the connection here choked
[12:08]  * Myrtti growls, loudly
[12:09]  * Mez backs away from Myrtti
[12:09]  * bazhang hides
[12:09]  * wgrant locks Myrtti in a cage to keep everybody safe.
[12:10]  * elkbuntu huggles Myrtti
[12:10] <elkbuntu> wgrant, Myrtti chews through cage bars for breakfast.
[12:10] <bazhang> ohnoes
[12:10]  * wgrant makes the cage bars out of guinea pigs instea.
[12:10] <Myrtti> are we done or do I have to start organizing a Ubuntu IRC operator camp with padded rooms?
[12:10] <elkbuntu> we're done until next time
[12:10] <Jack_Sparrow> hei Myrtti
[12:11]  * Myrtti pokes wgrant with a brush. http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/2586219781/
[12:11] <Myrtti> hi Jack_Sparrow
[12:12] <Myrtti> I hope did miss alot while I was gone?
[12:12] <Myrtti> goodygoody
[12:12] <wgrant> Myrtti: I don't often keep things in my ponytail, I'm afraid.
[12:13]  * Mez opens up #ubuntu-padded-cell
[12:14] <Myrtti> wgrant: that bun is held up only by that brush.
[12:14] <Jack_Sparrow> Lithium for everyone
[12:14] <wgrant> Myrtti: Not bad.
[12:14] <Myrtti> no chemicals, no pins, no nothing, but the brush
[12:14] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, i wish my hair was that shiny :(
[12:14] <Myrtti> standard hairdo
[12:19] <Pici> hairdo heron
[12:19]  * Mez groans @ Pici
[12:20] <elkbuntu> i like that one
[12:20] <Myrtti> on my senior year the sophomores and juniors gave me a box of pencils in our farewell party "so I wouldn't run out of pens because I stick them into my hair"
[12:20] <elkbuntu> much nicer than the one jdub insisted on repeating for the whole freaking dev cycle
[12:20] <wgrant> elkbuntu: jdub and everyone on /.?
[12:20]  * Myrtti has her daily age crisis again
[12:21] <Myrtti> ah, to be young again
[12:21] <elkbuntu> wgrant, i dont read /. i do hang in #linux-aus and #slug.
[12:22] <elkbuntu> there's good reason why i dont read /.
[12:22] <elkbuntu> if there's anything genuinely worth knowing about, someone will inform me with direct links in a much more civilised manner.
[12:22] <wgrant> It's something to do while I'm being slack wrt security.
[12:24] <elkbuntu> meanwhile, something to make you cry: http://rodgerdean.org/gallery/v/Education+Expo+2008/dsc00006.jpg.html
[12:26] <wgrant> Fedora in an Ubuntu box! BURN!
[12:26] <elkbuntu> hehehe
[12:26] <elkbuntu> its ok, it was replaced with ubuntus moments after the couldnt-resist-it photoshoot
[12:31] <elkbuntu> they were relinquished to one of the boxes the cds get shipped in torn in half
[12:31] <wgrant> Oh good.
[12:35] <elkbuntu> ala the corner of here: http://rodgerdean.org/gallery/v/Education+Expo+2008/dsc00004.jpg.html
[12:42] <ikonia> elkbuntu: where did you get the sleves made ?
[12:42] <Pici> ikonia: Those come with the ship-it disks
[12:42] <Pici> Or presumably those direct from Canonical as well.
[12:42] <ikonia> oh really
[12:43] <ikonia> they look quite good
[12:47] <elektronik123> i have ban on 3ubuntu-pl Why ?
[12:48] <Pici> elektronik123: I dont know, and I hate to forward you to another channel, but #ubuntu-irc is really the place you should be asking.
[12:49] <Pici> sorry.
[12:50] <elektronik123> ok
[12:50] <Pici> Jack_Sparrow: fyi, loco channel issues, like bans, should be handled in #ubuntu-irc
[12:52] <Jack_Sparrow> Pici Sorry.. didnt read carefully, I thought he had been banned in ubuntu
[12:52] <elektronik123> i have ban on #ubuntu-pl channel
[12:52] <elektronik123> only
[12:53] <elektronik123> plese don`t argue
[12:53] <Myrtti> ok, then your business is dealt in #ubuntu-irc
[12:53] <Myrtti> not here
[12:53] <Jack_Sparrow> elektronik123 Sorry.. my mistake.. /join #ubuntu-irc for that
[12:53] <Myrtti> as he has
[12:58] <Myrtti> elektronik123: anything else we can help you with?
[13:06] <Myrtti> elektronik123: hello?
[13:07] <Pici> !idle | elektronik123
[13:25] <Myrtti> :-o I ran out of candy -_____-
[13:25] <Myrtti> ... finally
[14:09]  * elkbuntu noms licorice
[14:11] <Myrtti> it took three weeks to distroy a jar of candy my sister gave me as a souvernir from Denmark
[14:12] <Pici> yum
[14:12] <Myrtti> distroy, destroy...
[14:12]  * Myrtti hates her English
[14:12] <Pici> I didn't even notice it
[14:13]  * Myrtti sees another typo and grumbles
[14:22] <Dave2> You can perfectly emulate Danish salt licorice by pouring some strong cleaner into a jar of normal licorice, if that helps
[14:22] <elkbuntu> no thanks
[14:23] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, if you could spell souvenir correctly straight up, you'd be beating most native english speakers already
[14:23]  * elkbuntu took 3 tries to get it correct
[14:24] <Myrtti> the problem is, I could probably spell it aloud correctly
[14:24] <Myrtti> it just... comes out wrongly
[14:26] <elkbuntu> i'm the opposite with most stuff. the worst are my non-phonetic passwords. i cannot verbalise or even hand-write them, i have to type them out. i dont recall the string, just how to type them
[14:27] <Myrtti> that's normal
[14:27] <Myrtti> and my passwords are generated from songs
[14:27] <Myrtti> songtitles actually
[14:28] <Myrtti> Can You Hear The Love Tonight - Elton John --> 2tcyD<3EJ
[14:29] <Myrtti> Can You Hear The Love Tonight - Elton John --> cyhD<3tEJ actually
[14:29] <Pici> At least pick better songs.... <.<
[14:29] <Myrtti> never fails
[14:29] <Myrtti> Pici: Phil Collins FTW
[14:29] <Myrtti> :-P
[14:32] <Myrtti> good GAIA I'm tired
[15:09]  * jpds 's  passwords are generated from 'mkpasswd foo'
[15:12] <Myrtti> how do you remember them?
[15:13] <jpds> Myrtti: I put them in text files and encrypt it with gnupg
[15:13] <Myrtti> pft
[15:13] <jpds> when I need it: gpg --decrypt foo.asc
[18:29]  * Myrtti yawns
[19:20]  * jpds watches "ubuntu_" in #ubuntu
[19:20]  * Pici watches "jpds" in #ubuntu-ops
[19:20] <Dave2>  /whois ubuntu_
[19:20] <Dave2> bah
[19:20] <jpds> Dave2: 20:17:59 < ~ubuntu_> server -m irc.darksin.eu/all-music
[19:21] <Dave2> yeah, I noticed. seems to be gone now though.
[19:42] <PriceChild> uu ff3 final in -updates
[19:42] <Pici> o really?
[19:43] <PriceChild> according to planet
[19:43]  * PriceChild changes mirror :P
[19:43] <Pici> I see firefox | 3.0~rc1+nobinonly-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> | hardy-updates | all here
[19:44] <PriceChild> Pici: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/firefox-3.0/3.0+nobinonly-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[19:44] <jpds> mozilla.com <- fail
[19:45] <Pici> PriceChild: Probably making its way to the mirrors now.
[19:45] <PriceChild> shows up in proposed over here
[19:45] <Myrtti> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9) Gecko/2008061017 Firefox/3.0
[19:45] <Pici> GranParadiso here
[19:46] <PriceChild> i'm confused, apt-cache show says i have b5... but apt-cache madison shows the new ones..
[19:46] <Pici> That was rmadison above
[19:47] <Dave2> hardy already had final anyway, didn't it?
[19:47] <Pici> Nope
[19:47] <Pici> Proposed did though
[19:47] <Dave2> ah, that would be where I got confused.
[19:49] <PriceChild> why does show and policy say different versions installed? :/ meh I have it so I'm happy.
[19:49] <PriceChild> I know what I'm doing :d
[19:50] <Pici> topic updated
[19:51] <PriceChild> uu robocop 3 on tonight
[19:51] <PriceChild> *goes off to do something else*
[19:52] <Myrtti> I am so utterly tired
[19:53] <Pici> Myrtti: go to sleep then
[19:53]  * Myrtti considers
[20:06] <Pici> !ff3 is <reply> Firefox 3 Final is currently mirroring to the package repositories.  For best results, do not install via archives downloaded from mozilla.com.
[20:06] <Pici> Any objections?
[20:08] <Pici> !ff3 s/For/Please be patient. For/
[20:08] <Pici> !ff3 =~ s/For/Please be patient. For/
[20:18] <hotpocket> I'm still banned from #ubuntu
[20:18] <Daviey> @btlogin
[20:29] <Mez> Question: why cant we use the ubotu nick?
[20:30] <Pici> Answer: Because seveas owns it
[20:30] <Mez> Pici, surely, we can get freenode staffers to release it to us?
[20:30] <Pici> Mez: I'd rather talk to Seveas directly about it
[20:31] <Mez> Pici, but - it's now in the "we can ask for it to be dropped" range
[20:32] <PriceChild> Mez: it isn't, and I don't think it will be.
[20:32] <Myrtti> there is (was) also the thought that ubotu will be the name of the "permanent" bot, as current solutions are basically makeshift ones until an official decision about the bots future is made
[20:32] <Mez> PriceChild, 6 weeks....
[20:32] <Dave2> 60 days
[20:32] <Dave2> = 8 weeks, 4 days
[20:33] <Mez> Dave2, ah for some reason, I thought 6 weeks....
[20:33] <PriceChild> and even then i don't think freenode will drop it because of its cloak
[20:33] <Mez> PriceChild, surely though freenode understand?
[20:33] <Mez> or can be made to
[20:34] <Mez> PriceChild, as Freenode staff, and an ubuntu GCF...
[20:34] <Mez> they'd listen to you about it
[20:34] <Mez> or nal
[20:34] <Dave2> PriceChild is a form :(
[20:34] <Mez> GC *
[20:34] <Mez> Dave2, you're a form :P
[20:34] <Mez> Dave2, you in reading this week?
[20:34] <PriceChild> Mez: they 'probably' wouldn't drop it for other people because of its cloak
[20:35] <Mez> PriceChild, *shrugs*
[20:35] <PriceChild> Mez: and i don't think we need to go to freenode to get it dropped for ourselves
[20:35] <Mez> PriceChild, *confused*
[20:35] <Mez> Freenode = drop nicks
[20:37] <Dave2> It's not something that I imagine would be dropped as any other expired nick, due to its former status (the 60 days isn't a hard cutoff point - we still have an element of judgement in there), but I imagine it would be droppable for official Ubuntu purposes once expired. (Don't quote me on this, this is just what I'd believe to be the case - it's not a decision a single person would be likely to make.)
[20:37] <Dave2> and I'm in Reading until...Thursday
[20:38] <Dave2> Tomorrow's results day, so I get to spend all day being depressed about how badly I did. *nod*
[20:40] <Mez> Dave2, regarding the nick, thats what I assumed
[20:40] <Mez> and damn - was gonna ask if you wanted a drink on thursday
[20:41] <Dave2> I'll be back by the 30th anyway, since that's when work starts.
[20:41] <Mez> lol - yeah - but thats too late anyways
[20:42] <Mez> will really want a drink on thursday one way or another
[20:42] <Dave2> ah, right - yeah, I'm going to be gone.
[20:42] <Mez> :(
[21:01] <jpds>  FloodBot1 is having fun
[21:41] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, nothing apt could do could confuse me as much as what yum does on my fedora machine at work
[22:12] <jpds> flooders in #u
[22:18] <jpds> woo, reinforcements
[22:19]  * jpds hugs nickrud and Jack_Sparrow
[22:19] <Jack_Sparrow> :)
[22:20] <nickrud> hey, I'm just passing thru for a few minutes ;)
[22:21] <jpds> nickrud: well, seeing a familiar nick around is better than thinking: "Crap, I'm the only one around!"
[22:22] <nickrud> jpds lol, I do relate ;)


[01:14] <qengho> Hi all. I maintain a package whose source, if maintained in bzr, would not be small enough to "bzr branch" in the packaging recipe tools. Is there a way to keep just the debian/ dir in a packaging branch and get the upstream orig.tar from some place inside a packaging rule?
[01:15] <qengho> (I ask , having read the source and being pretty sure there isn't so far. Maybe someone has an idea or inspiration to make a way.)
[01:17] <wgrant> qengho: There's no way to do that using a recipe, I'm afraid.
[01:28] <qengho> wgrant: Right.  *Should* there be?  Why should branches need the orig tarball unpacked already and checked in somewhere?  I don't think it makes sense.
[01:31] <qengho> wgrant: Launchpad PPA builders already have an archive of tarballs. It could try to get from there. That is elegant.
[01:41] <wgrant> qengho: Recipes are designed specifically for the case of combining branches to construct a source package.
[01:41] <wgrant> Primarily for the case of daily builds.
[01:41] <wgrant> Where a release tarball doesn't necessarily exist.
[01:43] <xnox> qengho: you can always generate source package with $ bzr builddeb -S (which does support version controlling debian/ only) and dput into ppa
[02:19] <qengho> wgrant, xnox, yeah, I can make source packages and upload every night.  I like the recipes and automatic building if changed based on Launchpad branches only. I didn't want to depend on an outside machine.
[02:20] <qengho> I know what it does and what I can do. I'm saying what else I think it should do.
[13:04] <Ge0rG> good morning! I'm using launchpad to translate my app, and I need to change one single string in all languages in the same way. Is there some magic format for a po.tgz upload that automatically recognizes languages?
[16:12] <balboah> I'm having problems copying a package from another archive to my own. First I copied a newer version, which sucked so I deleted it and are now trying to copy the previous version again but keep getting error notifications "a different source with the same version is published in the destination archive". While that package name is not listed anymore as far as I can see
[16:22] <balboah> I can now find it as "superseded", how can I change it to published again?
[16:28] <cjwatson> copy it from the same archive back into itself, making sure to include binaries
[16:31] <balboah> nice trick
[16:31] <balboah> let's see, pending
[16:44] <balboah> thanks it worked
[16:47] <cjwatson> you're welcome
[18:31] <happyaron> hi, what's the recommended way of proceeding when vcs-import failed by remote git repo has gpgsig in some of the commits?
[18:31] <happyaron> looks to be a bug in bzr-git, fail log is like this one: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/148599666/fcitx-team-fcitx-autoimport-fcitx.log
[23:16] <RAOF> wgrant: Oh, by the way - cross-site scripting support for the API. Any bug or progress or thoughts on that?
[23:33] <wgrant> RAOF: We're unlikely to implement it in the foreseeable future without a compelling usecase, but we'd accept a patch that didn't introduce security vulnerabilities.
[23:34] <RAOF> And I don't suppose ‘Chris would like to pull some metadata about the latest release of Do from do.cooperteam.net’ counts as a compelling usecase? :)
[23:35] <wgrant> Regrettably not :P
[23:47] <lifeless> RAOF: I think perhaps patches accepted?
[23:48] <RAOF> lifeless: Yeah. For me that would require a significant time investment in domain knowledge.
[23:49] <RAOF> lifeless: Current state of domain knowledge: “Oh, so XMLHttpRequest is the thing to poke at to do AJAX from javascript. Now, where would I put that…”
[23:53] <lifeless> RAOF: well, thats client side; server side it's a policy thing exported by the api
[23:54] <RAOF> lifeless: Yes. I guess the specific domain knowledge required is (a) "how to build launchpad", which I understand is not desperately hard these days, and (b) how to tell whether I've introduced a security vuln.
[23:54] <lifeless> which code review will catch, cause paranoid reviewers are paranoid


[08:31] <dholbach> good morning
[15:46] <ChloeWolfieGirl> I am excite
[15:56] <Oltarus> Hi there!
[15:56] <mhall119> hello everyone!
[16:00] <mhall119> just waiting for my co-host to arrive
[16:00] <mhall119> then we'll get started
[16:01] <Jake4apple> Awesome
[16:01] <Nothing_Much> Is the stream live?
[16:02] <belkinsa> No
[16:02] <Nothing_Much> Not yet?
[16:02] <ChloeWolfieGirl> <3
[16:02] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Soon
[16:02] <Nothing_Much> what's going to be talked about?
[16:02] <belkinsa> Nope, the co-host isn't ready
[16:02] <Nothing_Much> alright
[16:03] <popey> \o/
[16:04] <ChloeWolfieGirl> WOOOOO
[16:04] <belkinsa> I see you!
[16:04] <ChloeWolfieGirl> I AM :D
[16:04] <Nothing_Much> Do I need to refresh?
[16:05] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Question: How was your holiday?
[16:05] <belkinsa> No
[16:05] <Amit_> Not needed
[16:05] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Lego x3
[16:05] <Nothing_Much> ubuntuonair.com
[16:05] <Nothing_Much> I'm not seeing a stream
[16:05] <mhall119> refresh the page?
[16:05] <Amit_> You will
[16:06] <Nothing_Much> Yeah I keep refreshing, dude
[16:06] <mhall119> it should be broadcasting now
[16:06] <Nothing_Much> oh
[16:06] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Nothing_Much: its working for me in chrome
[16:06] <Nothing_Much> I have to press the play button too?
[16:06] <belkinsa> Yes
[16:06] <ChloeWolfieGirl> I'M IN THE UK :D
[16:06] <Nothing_Much> ChloeWolfieGirl: Yeah, I had to press the play button
[16:06] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Nothing_Much: Haha xD
[16:07] <nshiell> Hi all
[16:07] <Nothing_Much> I REALLY hope Flash player bites the dust sooner than later
[16:07] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Nothing_Much: not before theres a HTML5 stream for Ubuntuonair
[16:07] <ChloeWolfieGirl> mhall119: yup they're awesome
[16:07] <Nothing_Much> Yeah I know, which is lame that HTML5 isn't ready for streaming yet
[16:08] <mhall119> ChloeWolfieGirl: hope we answered your question :)
[16:08] <Nothing_Much> QUESTION: Regarding the Ubuntu "FlymeOS" that Meizu is marketing, is it still going to function exactly like stock Ubuntu Phone OS?
[16:09] <Josafatth> hi every one
[16:09] <Sid_Payton> QUESTION: What is the status of the weather app? Haven't heard from it for a long time. I once saw a mockup for the UT weather app which looked like my personal favorite weather app design. Was hoping to see it being realised.
[16:09] <Nothing_Much> BQ? OMG- wait, that's in the UK only? :(
[16:09] <ChloeWolfieGirl> QUESTION:  Any update on the porting guide?
[16:09] <Amit_> Start mates
[16:10] <Nothing_Much> We can hear you popey
[16:10] <mhall119> dholbach: ^^ are you still working on porting guide?
[16:10] <dholbach> mhall119, no
[16:10] <belkinsa> QUESTION: It's a comment, but the UOS dates for the next one is set to May 5-7 May 2015
[16:10] <dholbach> mhall119, that'd be a topic for ogra, rsalveti, janimo, sergiusens and others
[16:11] <dholbach> belkinsa, thanks
[16:11] <belkinsa> :D
[16:11] <Amit_> Congrats Hall
[16:11] <ChloeWolfieGirl> QUESTION: are you two going to make an amazing promo for ubuntu Touch, because I feel like I need that in my life!
[16:11] <belkinsa> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-news-team/2015-January/002132.html
[16:11] <belkinsa> For the UOS
[16:12] <nshiell> QUESTION: What new features/functionality is planned for Ubuntu on the Desktop/Laptop?
[16:12] <Nothing_Much> Oh cool! If it's a theme, that's fine by me!
[16:12] <ChloeWolfieGirl> QUESTION: Without having to buy an android phone, will there be a phone which would have stock Ubuntu on it?
[16:12] <Amit_> boring
[16:14] <Sid_Payton> QUESTION: Will the contacts scope return soon?
[16:14] <justcarakas_> QUESTION: What is the status on the web verion of the store ?
[16:15] <ChloeWolfieGirl> QUESTION, I've seen some screenshots of a native telegram app, any ideas when that'll get pushed out? I heard that it should be pushed before the launch of the Ubuntu Phone!
[16:16] <MS_abused> QUESTION: Any news about an Open Source Chat Client? Heard some rumors about tox.im.
[16:16] <justcarakas_> QUESTION: will one of you buy a ubuntu phone when they come out, and what do you expect of the sales
[16:17] <ChloeWolfieGirl> I have a riseup.org email worked well with that :D
[16:17] <Nothing_Much> QUESTION: I saw on G+ (I think it was mhall119) an article about Android 4.4.4 not being a good multitasker, did Android 5.0 fix some of those issues or it wasn't tested yet as a desktop OS?
[16:18] <nakanut> QUESTION: As Samsung have just revealed a 4kTV running Tizen, do you feel Ubuntu has missed the boat for OS powered TVs?
[16:18] <belkinsa> Not a problem, mhall119.
[16:19] <yourlawyer> panasonic has tvs running fireefox os aswell
[16:20] <ChloeWolfieGirl> QUESTION: with companys pushing out watches and with no ubuntu watches planned currently, are there any plans to work with Mozilla or Google to get Ubuntu Touch to work with Firefox OS watches and/or Android watches?
[16:21] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Thanks popey and mhall119
[16:21] <nshiell> ChloeWolfeGirl +1 on your watch question
[16:21] <Sid_Payton> QUESTION: I want to use UT as my daily driver. One thing that keeps me away from it is, that I don't get my emails (not Gmail) pushed to my phone. Will it be possible to have something like a watchdog installed on my own server which pushes to the Ubuntu software part which get's the Gmail Emails?
[16:21] <Nothing_Much> I'm unsure about Android smartwatches, did you see that Puls watch thing? I think that was Android..
[16:23] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Nothing_Much: I haven't really been paying attention to watches, but mozilla did a firefox os promo with the firefox os on everything and it looked really nice on watch
[16:23] <Nothing_Much> QUESTION: Will Click packages be available on the desktop?
[16:23] <Nothing_Much> ChloeWolfieGirl: FxOS is on smartwatches now?
[16:24] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Nothing_Much: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cLnLM0egCY
[16:24] <theBest> QUESTION: Do you know, how the Unity 8 Scopes will work on the Desktop and the TV?
[16:24] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Nothing_Much: Outside of this video I've not seen much...
[16:24] <theBest> QUESTION: How is the progress on Ubuntu for TV?
[16:24] <s1hr> hello 2 all ...just to put in your eyes: many software from Ubuntu center are can not be one click install, try to install game PANG ZERO..
[16:25] <Nothing_Much> ChloeWolfieGirl: I honestly can't see smartwatches the way that Android is handling them.. practical at all, really.
[16:26] <Sid_Payton> QUESTION: What happend to the new Ubuntu Icondesign on the desktop? Back in march everybody hoped it will make it still into 14.04. Since then I haven't heard anything about it.
[16:26] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Nothing_Much: You mean with requiring a android phone?
[16:26] <s1hr> also some good packages from Debian disapear from repo... try to get WIICAN
[16:27] <Nothing_Much> ChloeWolfieGirl: Both with and without a phone, it just looks absolutely useless outside of obviously harder to steal since it'd be wrapped around your wrist, but the screen would be incredibly.. small and useless to do actual things on.
[16:27] <mhall119> beuno
[16:28] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Nothing_Much: I get you, I wouldn't get an expencive watch because to me it doesn't do to much, but some small convenient that the watch would create at a cheep enough price seems nice!
[16:29] <s1hr> more and more software can not be one click install from UBuntu Center, i know frends call me..its true! i checked.
[16:30] <Nothing_Much> ChloeWolfieGirl: If a smartwatch goes over the price of $50, then it'd be an absolute waste of money, I can't wait to see how many people will waste their money on the Apple Watch with its 18k gold.. design.. thing.
[16:30] <Sid_Payton> QUESTION: Will the browser get the bottom-edge gesture like we could see on the example videos from the design team or is it axed for some reason?
[16:32] <Nothing_Much> 18 karot*
[16:33] <The-french-man> Hello :) QUESTION : why Ubuntu don't have a NATIVE jack plug in ? In my car, my radio have a mini jack plug ^^ It would be VERY usefull to users and to devellopers to have the clean and easy Jack in door ^^ As an exemple, Guitarix is bugged since 2009 ...
[16:33] <MS_abused> QUESTION: I'm missing push service for the mail client. Any plans on that?
[16:33] <nshiell> Buy one, use it as a calcuator
[16:34] <ChloeWolfieGirl> QUESTION: Will Mhall move to the UK so he can use the phone?
[16:34] <Sid_Payton> QUESTION: How's everbody batterylife on Ubuntu Touch compared to Android? I heard that someone had better life with UT while I have the opposide result unfortunaltely
[16:35] <justcarakas_> Sid_Payton: I have a better standby life but worse battery life when I play a game for a while
[16:36] <belkinsa> Google doesn't know how to do anything, it seems.
[16:36] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Wow xD
[16:36] <ChloeWolfieGirl> I'M ON POPEYS NEXUS 7 xD
[16:37] <Nothing_Much> ChloeWolfieGirl: how? o.o
[16:37] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Nothing_Much: He just said about the irc on his nexus 7, thus I, or at least my name is on his N7
[16:38] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Firefox os is on panasonic TV;s
[16:38] <Nothing_Much> o.O
[16:39] <ChloeWolfieGirl> And the damn controllers for tvs
[16:39] <Nothing_Much> Dude, I don't think smart TVs will catch on very much..
[16:40] <Nothing_Much> I work in a call center for a TV company and.. uh.. people really don't know how to use remote controls..
[16:40] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Nothing_Much: I don't think how it is currently, but posibly in the future
[16:41] <nshiell> Nothing_Mauch, to true
[16:42] <Nothing_Much> However, cable companies DO push out software updates on the hardware, so it is possible, but controllers might be the biggest issue for smart TVs atm.
[16:42] <nshiell> QUESTION: How much discussion has there been getting Ubuntu to work with all the new hardware, Watches, Chromecasts etc
[16:42] <jorik_> QUESTION: Will an Ubuntu phone you buy somewhere this year gain the convergence function when that is released?
[16:43] <Nothing_Much> jorik_: Probably not, Unity 8 isn't ready for convergence juuuust yet, but I've seen videos of Unity 8 on desktops and it looks like it's progressing incredibly fast!
[16:44] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Aww I love you guys
[16:44] <Nothing_Much> sweet
[16:45] <ChloeWolfieGirl> QUESTION: What features are planned with ubuntu convergence, if you have a phone and a desktop and/or TV, how will they interact with eachother?
[16:46] <Nothing_Much> ChloeWolfieGirl: It'll be like Ubuntu for Android from what I gathered, when you "dock" a phone to a monitor, keyboard and mouse, it'll scale out to smaller buttons and other things
[16:47] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Nothing_Much: I don't mean like that, I rather mean if you have them as seperate devices, like how chrome OS and Android work together
[16:47] <nshiell> QUESTION: Is Ubuntu tested with emulated hardware? Mir with VMware/VirtualBox?
[16:47] <Nothing_Much> ChloeWolfieGirl: It'll be unified not only in looks but as well as packages
[16:48] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Nothing_Much: but I mean like, oh your phone rings or you get a message, you can anser it from your desktop etc
[16:48] <nakanut> QUESTION: Do you know if the proposed first BQ phone will be unlocked?
[16:49] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Nothing_Much: Even though you're using like a system 76 desktop and not using your phone as the desktop xD
[16:49] <Nothing_Much> ChloeWolfieGirl: With your Ubuntu One account I'm sure that'll be the way it works, like Android and how Apple's ecosystem works as well.
[16:49] <Nothing_Much> (Ubuntu One is the Single Sign On for all accounts related to Ubuntu, not the cloud service that was discontinued)
[16:50] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Nothing_Much: Wouldn't that only be with apps you buy and download, there'll probably be a fw syncs like if you download an app on your phone it might auto download on your desktop and/or TV
[16:50] <nshiell> Hasn't snowed yet this year in London!!!
[16:50] <ChloeWolfieGirl> nshiell: hasn't snowed this year in cumbria either
[16:51] <Nothing_Much> ChloeWolfieGirl: Yeah, I think so.. Thinking about it now, you probably don't want the TV to be synced with anything personalized.. unless the TV is in your room or somethin'. lol
[16:52] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Nothing_Much: I'd assume thered be options for what you want to sync, and you'd beable to say, "No call notifications on my TV, but I'll have this notification on my TV, and I most definatly want show information on my phone"
[16:53] <Nothing_Much> ChloeWolfieGirl: Yeah, you should be able to configure your notifications, but I'm unsure how a personalized device can be used over towards a non-personalized device, that one being either the family PC or a TV.
[16:54] <Nothing_Much> (non-personalized device being the family PC or TV)
[16:55] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Nothing_Much: I guess we'll just have to wait and see how that works and have more thoughts etc
[16:55] <anmol10> quit
[16:55] <Nothing_Much> Yeah
[16:55] <anmol10> exit
[16:55] <Nothing_Much> anmol10: Try /quit
[16:55] <Nothing_Much> :)
[16:56] <jlsmi3th> First time IRC user. This is a check to see if I am correctly setup. No response required.
[16:56] <anmol10> where are u from
[16:56] <Nothing_Much> anmol10: USA o.o
[16:57] <nshiell> Thanks
[16:57] <anmol10> collin, i want to create a ppa. can u help me out
[16:57] <ChloeWolfieGirl> QUESTION: When do you think Ubuntu with mir and unity 8 will be useable as a daily driver on the desktop? 15.04, 15.10, or 16.04?
[16:58] <Nothing_Much> aw man
[16:58] <nakanut> Thx. Happy New Year!
[16:58] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Mhall popey It was great being here, lovely seeing you guys again :D
[16:58] <anmol10> what happened..
[16:58] <anmol10> m not a pro
[16:58] <mhall119> ChloeWolfieGirl: sorry, didn't get to your last one
[16:58] <Nothing_Much> Aw man
[16:58] <mhall119> ChloeWolfieGirl: I think by 15.10 it'll be ready to use as a daily driver
[16:58] <ChloeWolfieGirl> mhall119: no worrys :3
[16:59] <anmol10> dafuqq... its a robot..
[16:59] <ChloeWolfieGirl> mhall119: Ok ^^ thank you :D
[16:59] <anmol10> -creator
[16:59] <mhall119> ChloeWolfieGirl: I used the Unity Next on a touch-screen laptop last month and it was surprising functional already, but until we get the keyboard shortcuts and stuff I don't be using it regularly
[16:59] <Nothing_Much> I am currently waiting on that Meizu Phone tbr in the USA
[16:59] <anmol10> man creator
[16:59] <popey> \o/ ChloeWolfieGirl
[17:00] <mhall119> Nothing_Much: we might have problems with frequency bands on that one too
[17:00] <ChloeWolfieGirl> mhall119: Yeah, It seems to be making great progress though :3
[17:00] <mhall119> neither Meizu nor Bq even have FCC certification
[17:00] <Nothing_Much> mhall119: well if it's available in USA stores.. maybe not?
[17:00] <Nothing_Much> oh
[17:00] <ChloeWolfieGirl> popey :D \(^^)~
[17:00] <Nothing_Much> wait, FCC also deals with cell phone bands?
[17:01] <mhall119> Nothing_Much: it won't be in USA stores
[17:01] <Nothing_Much> not.. yet?
[17:01] <mhall119> FCC has to certify any device that broadcasts radio waves
[17:01] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Thank you guys, I greatly appreciate it :D
[17:01] <mhall119> not yet, I know Meizu has plans to enter the USA market though, so there's hope for us
[17:02] <Nothing_Much> yeah, I'm just going to buy whatever Ubuntu Phone is released in the USA first
[17:02] <popey> \o/
[17:02] <Nothing_Much> impatience and stuff, but I think this is better than waiting for a very mysterious unknowing piece of software.. like iOS 8
[17:03] <mhall119> Nothing_Much: me too, most likely :)
[17:03] <Nothing_Much> and that release was a disaster
[17:03] <Nothing_Much> heck yes!
[17:03] <Nothing_Much> mhall119: are you also normally busy and unable to chat in #ubuntu-us-fl?
[17:48] <mhall119> Nothing_Much: I'll be around more now that I'm back at work, just ping me so I know you're talkingto me
[17:49] <Nothing_Much> oh okay


[20:05] <apps> Hello ubuntu people! :)
[20:09] <apps> I was wondering if maybe conical can actually make the laptop testing page abit more friendly ie have it abit more automated such as an online user form.
[20:10] <apps> this whole business of making a page and adding this and that is not what technology these days can do.
[20:10] <apps> surely we can make an online form??
[20:13] <apps> Hey is see a cking is in the room!
[20:13] <apps> My surname is king as well :)
[20:14] <cking> hi apps, I'm Colin King, here's my blog http://smackerelofopinion.blogspot.com/
[20:14] <apps> Hey there is acutally someone in the room
[20:14] <apps> :)
[20:14] <apps> My name is Nolan Chan King
[20:14] <apps> from South Africa
[20:15] <apps> im busy adding my dell precision m4400 to the laptop testing page
[20:18] <apps> ill have alook at ur blog later. at the moment in not on broadband but pay as u go modem :(
[20:19] <cking> great to know you're contributing to the laptop testing work - great!
[20:20] <apps> yea but im not use to all this code stuff. Its something that puts people off and i think conical should look into it.
[20:21] <apps> Question:
[20:21] <apps> It says on the page this: Add an entry to the table on LaptopTestingTeam, or on your manufacturers sub-page.
[20:22] <apps> Where can i find this link??
[21:31] <apps> Hello. Im a noob. So i was wondering how do i make a contact page or wikiname ??
[21:35] <apps> NVm i found it thanks


[09:47] <FloSoft> Hi, how can I cancel a build which is waiting for dependencies? (which can never be resolved -.-)
[15:20] <FloSoft> hmm are all lpia nodes offline? i dont get a "start in x minutes" :/
[15:47] <maxb> FloSoft:  Yes, lpia is more or less a dead architecture at this point, and it has zero full-time builders
[15:49] <FloSoft> maxb: hmm how to disable an automatic lpia build then?
[15:50] <FloSoft> or how to provide a buildserver *lol*
[15:57] <FloSoft> maxb: do you know how to provide a launchpad buildserver? I'm having some machines around I would allow to do that job?
[16:00] <maxb> FloSoft: You can prevent Launchpad from trying an lpia build at all by using 'Architecture: i386 amd64' in place of 'Architecture: any' in debian/control
[16:01] <maxb> There isn't any scope for lp buildds outside of Canonical's control
[16:01] <FloSoft> hmm my amd64 buildjob doesnt start too :/ hanging on "start in 8minutes" since hours :/
[16:02] <maxb> All of the amd64 PPA buildds seem to be busy with immense packages - libreoffice and firefox
[16:03] <FloSoft> yea so there's no way to provide a build-service for launchpad?
[16:04] <maxb> The security model doesn't allow for builders outside of a single authority's control
[16:05] <FloSoft> thats a pity that one cant provide i.e a signed/encrypted vm for that
[16:51] <lifeless> FloSoft: the problem is proving the integrity of things built in such an environment
[16:51] <lifeless> FloSoft: a hostile build machine could insert trojan code (e.g. by subverting ld)
[16:52] <lifeless> FloSoft: and running the entire vm encrypted would require homomorphic encryption, which AIUI is just about ready to implement + and -, not a full CPU :)
[19:16] <mrnuke> hi guys. I'm trying to import my new ssh key into launchpad and I keep getting the "Invalid public key" message
[19:17] <mrnuke> I'm just pasting the contents of ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub
[19:34] <mrnuke> [SOLVED] it turns out I needed a comment at the end of the key.
[21:53] <sivang> hi all
[21:54] <sivang> can anybody please see why I can view this file? I've been using Launchpad as a safe store for my code, and I can't access this file http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~sivan/hubackup/hubackup--main/view/head:/HUBackup/backend/DeviceInfo.py
[21:54] <sivang> *can't
[21:54]  * sivang is trying to figure his old lp creds to log in and report a bug
[21:55]  * sivang tries to bzr clone
[21:57] <sivang> *can
[21:58] <ebergen> you're using launchpad for backups?
[21:58] <sivang> ebergen: well, not for backups. But for code repo, like github
[21:58] <sivang> it should come back right?
[21:59] <sivang> hmm
[21:59] <sivang> bzr: ERROR: Revision {[('DeviceInfo.py-20051228171301-e1fb836992441989', 'sivan@ubuntu-20060123134147-ed93162e34a1b9f7')]} not present in "KnitVersionedFiles(<bzrlib.knit._KndxIndex object at 0x21fd650>, <bzrlib.knit._KnitKeyAccess object at 0x21fd590>)".
[21:59] <sivang> I guess that's why I can't access it on lp's web interface
[21:59] <sivang> is lp down?
[21:59] <sivang> ebergen: I'll move it to github as soon as I can access the code again...:/
[22:00] <ebergen> my repo is just hanging
[22:00] <ebergen> could be my dns though
[22:00] <sivang> it's not my dns, for sure.
[22:00] <ebergen> I know yours isn't your dns
[22:01] <sivang> This is the only backup I had of my code
[22:01] <sivang> I guess lp support people are all asleep right now..
[22:01] <ebergen> you don't have a bzr branch locally?
[22:02] <ebergen> mine works http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~provenscaling-eric/maria/tivo/view/head:/sql/authors.h
[22:03] <sivang> ebergen: no, all my other stuff are stored on github, and this has bever failed me
[22:03] <sivang> *never
[22:08] <sivang> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1072482
[23:07] <fo0bar> hi, how can I add a comment to a bug with launchpadlib?
[23:09] <fo0bar> I figured it would be somewhere around bug.activity, but I can't figure it out and haven't found any useful examples
[23:11] <wgrant> fo0bar: bug.activity is just the history of the bug
[23:11] <wgrant> If you look at https://api.launchpad.net/+apidoc/devel.html#bug you'll see a newMessage method
[23:13] <fo0bar> wgrant: ahh, message.  so many synonyms.  thanks :)
[23:13] <wgrant> Yeah, comments are all called messages internally
[23:14] <fo0bar> interesting, and it even exposes a subject, which doesn't appear to be exposed in the web UI
[23:15] <fo0bar> err, setting the subject is not exposed in the web UI.  displaying it is.
[23:15] <wgrant> Right, you can't override that in the web UI, just via mail and API
[23:19] <fo0bar> wgrant: thanks again.  are you in copenhagen?  I asked that question initially and thought "wait, everyone who would answer that is probably asleep right now" :)
[23:19] <fo0bar> or at least turning down for the day
[23:21] <wgrant> Nah, a few of us are at home


[08:42] <syrinx_> so, I applied for ops
[08:42] <syrinx_> what should I do next
[08:43] <syrinx_> I understand that being op is a big job, a tedious job...
[08:44] <tsimpson> syrinx_: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcTeam/OperatorRequirements
[08:45] <syrinx_> tsimpson: I follow all of those rules, and stay active in #ubuntu as well as #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:46] <syrinx_> I think a few ops here could vouch for me, altough I MAY be wrong...
[08:46] <tsimpson> syrinx_: you haven't followed the instructions
[08:47] <tsimpson> you need to put your irc nick/account on your LP page first
[08:47] <tsimpson> you also need to sign the ubuntu code of conduct
[08:48] <syrinx_> I've always followed the rules, have a launchpad, subcribed to the mailing list, and am active in the channels i wish to OP
[08:48] <syrinx_> but not, I haven't signed the CoC, how do I do that?
[08:49] <tsimpson> https://help.launchpad.net/Signing%20the%20Ubuntu%20Code%20of%20Conduct
[08:49] <syrinx_> s/not/no/
[08:58] <syrinx_> :(
[08:58] <syrinx_> :(
[09:47] <valix> hi all, I would like t have a cloak as ubuntu-member. This is my launchpad page: https://launchpad.net/~valix
[10:21] <m4v> valix: it seems there's no staff active for get a new shinny cloak, just wait for a bit, you have provided all the relevant info.
[10:22] <mlazzari2> Hello everyone, I'm here to ask for the Cloaks of ubuntu member. this is my address LP: https: / / launchpad.net / ~ mlazzari2
[10:22] <mlazzari2> ops sorry : https://launchpad.net/~mlazzari2
[10:22] <vish>  jussi topyli tsimpson elky ^^ | mlazzari2
[10:23] <tsimpson> one sec please
[10:23] <mlazzari2> yep :)
[10:24] <valix> m4v, thanks for the reply.
[10:26] <tsimpson> valix, mlazzari2: you're both all set :)
[10:26] <valix> tsimpson, thanks
[10:27] <mlazzari2> tsimpson thanks, have a nice day
[10:28] <mlazzari2> bye
[10:28] <tsimpson> \o
[10:31] <vish> tsimpson: not sure if this needs to be fixed, but nisshh had requested that his Ubuntu cloak be dropped, but is still listed in ~ubuntu-irc-cloaks team..
[10:31]  * vish not sure what that protocol is there.
[10:32] <vish> or any ircc ^
[10:32] <tsimpson> i'll get on that
[10:33] <vish> cool!
[15:19] <syrinx_> alright, i've signed the code of conduct :D


[06:27] <nae1on> canton???
[06:28] <yano> hi
[06:28] <yano> maybe?
[06:28] <yano> nae1on: what's up
[06:29] <nae1on> yano: Just wondered if anyone near me runs ubuntu
[06:29] <yano> yup
[06:29] <yano> i run ubuntu
[06:30] <nae1on> Did you go to ohio linuxfest this year?
[06:30] <nae1on> yano: just looking for someone to drink beer with, lol
[06:31] <yano> nae1on: OLF isn't until October
[06:31] <yano> https://ohiolinux.org/
[06:31] <jenni> [ Ohio LinuxFest 2016 - Free and Open Software Conference and Expo ] - https://ohiolinux.org
[06:31] <nae1on> yano: i mean 2015
[06:32] <yano> oh, i didn't go last year
[06:32] <nae1on> ahh
[06:32] <yano> but i went for a brief moment back in 2014
[06:32] <nae1on> I haven't gone since 2008
[06:32] <yano> dang
[06:32] <yano> i've heard it's a lot different since then
[06:32] <nae1on> a lot of cool stuff there
[06:32] <yano> definitely
[06:33] <nae1on> I have yet in my little world to find another linux user that isn't in belgium
[06:33] <yano> heh
[06:34] <nae1on> yano: so what you up to
[06:35] <nae1on> yano: Do your friends run ubuntu
[06:36] <yano> nae1on: well, right now i'm about to head to bed, heh
[06:36] <yano> yes
[06:36] <yano> you should check out #osuosc
[06:36] <yano> i hang out in there and lots of people in there run linux
[06:36] <nae1on> been there
[06:36] <yano> cool
[06:37] <nae1on> I've been there recently, back in Spring, a lot of nice people, well sleep good
[06:38] <yano> awesome :)
[06:38] <yano> thanks
[06:39] <nae1on> your welcome, peace brother


[00:14] <cjwatson> brainwash: bug 1273487 should be fixed now; let us know if there are any regressions from that change
[01:19] <sergio-br2> Make a package at your computer, double click and see if appears the "Developer Web Site". It appears
[01:20] <sergio-br2> then make a package and send to one PPA, installs it and try to see if there is some Dev Web Site in Sofware Center or Synaptic. It does not appears
[01:21] <sergio-br2> so, pick this package from the ppa, download it and open with Software Center. Then you will see the Homepage
[01:22] <sergio-br2> why both apps have this behavior?
[07:18] <brainwash> cjwatson: yes, it's working now, thanks :)
[07:18] <cjwatson> Yay


[16:47] <anon212244567> Just wondering, are there any rules as to age when you are contributing to Ubuntu? I am a teen and I would like to do some QA test cases, but I don't know if I could...
[16:47] <anon212244567> Can anyone confirm?
[16:48] <anon212244567> balloons
[16:57] <balloons> There are no rules on age specific to Ubuntu
[17:00] <svij> teens these days are impatient…
[17:01]  * svij feels old now :)
[17:19] <flocculant> now?
[17:19] <flocculant> I've felt old (physically) for years :)
[17:22] <svij> I'm actually not that old :D
[17:25] <flocculant> neither am I (mentally) ...
[18:06] <balloons> Hello :)
[18:07] <balloons> So i realize now i didn't remind folks about the meeting
[18:08] <svij> yup
[18:12] <balloons> So today we can basically answer all the questions we had i think.
[18:13] <balloons> Did DanChapman put together the readme i wonder?
[18:13] <balloons> I guess i shouldn't start talking before it's time :)
[18:14] <DanChapman> balloons: mostly complete now :-) I'll push it to lp this evening
[19:02] <svij> balloons: now you can talk ;)
[19:03] <dkessel> hey there. nearly forgot this
[19:07] <svij> I think we should wait for balloons ?
[19:14] <balloons> Hey :)
[19:14] <svij> oh there he is :)
[19:14] <balloons> OK so we just need to go through our actions from last time and see where we are at
[19:15] <balloons> svij care to relay your findings to start?
[19:15] <svij> sure
[19:15] <balloons> Hey dkessel :)
[19:16] <svij> so, we can run the iso tests on a ec2 instance, which we could fire up for a new tests, shouldn't be too expensive as I see for now, but the tests doesn't run for todays/yesterdays wily image because of some weird ssl/bzr error
[19:17] <flocculant> well - depending on what you tried it with - at least one image didn't build
[19:17] <flocculant> and there is a dead server apparently
[19:17] <svij> dead server?
[19:17] <flocculant> hang on - just getting info
[19:17] <flocculant> ssh: connect to host goldenapple.canonical.com port 22: Connection timed out
[19:17] <flocculant> and
 flocculant: goldenapple appears to be dead so if you get that one it times out IS is informed so hopefully this will go away soonish
[19:18] <svij> so we can run the tests there?
[19:18] <svij> s/can/could/
[19:19] <flocculant> that said - what weird ssl/bzr issue are you talking about :)
[19:19] <svij> huh, I'm confused
[19:20] <balloons> Me too
[19:20] <balloons> Does it have to be ec2. Can it be digital ocean
[19:20] <svij> didn't check digitalocean yet
[19:21] <balloons> I think flocculant was trying to say the images are bad
[19:21] <flocculant> yea
[19:21] <svij> ah
[19:21] <svij> yea, the vivid images were better, but they still hang somewhere, I didn't check further details though
[19:24] <svij> any more questions regarding running the tests in the cloud?
[19:24] <flocculant> I thought someone had looked at digitalocean
[19:25] <balloons> If we're confident then we can let everyone know we won't need the hardware
[19:25] <svij> I could check that quickly if it fails at the beginning…
[19:25] <svij> oh wait, my digitalocean instance is too small (ram)
[19:25] <svij> anyway, does it really matter if it's ec2 or digital ocean?
[19:25] <svij> balloons: yep
[19:26] <balloons> It doesn't matter really. DO is cheaper is all
[19:27] <svij> hm, not 100% true… do is 40$/mo for a 4GB instance (which we need) amazon is cheaper in this case
[19:28] <balloons> The only other thing we needed to settle was the doc from DanChapman
[19:28] <balloons> For autopilot. And of course to fix the tests
[19:28] <balloons> svij, interesting
[19:29] <DanChapman> nearly done :-) just finishing it off atm and will get it pushed up to lp this evening.
[19:29] <svij> aws with 4gb (but paid for a year) is 26$/mo
[19:29] <balloons> So 2 instances on ec2 or just one svij? 1 always running the other on demand to test?
[19:30] <svij> I think two instances are cheaper… one smaller one for jenkins master and one on demand
[19:30] <balloons> K
[19:32] <balloons> So we should go ahead and setup things on ec2. Probably worth starting off monthly before buying a year at once
[19:33] <balloons> And with the readme complete, we can solicit for help in the tests
[19:33] <balloons> Is there anything else?
[19:33] <DanChapman> hmmm looking at yesterdays vivid run. irqbalance crashed :-/. Does ec2 use xen?
[19:34] <balloons> My brain is shot atm from planning for travel
[19:34] <dkessel> i guess i should un-assign me from the blocking bug. i really don't have time to fix it soon. and time is running....
[19:34] <svij> DanChapman: yes
[19:34] <dkessel> so we need someone else to have a look
[19:35] <svij> is xen a problem?
[19:38] <DanChapman> xen's not a problem, i've just heard about issues with irqbalance in VM's. IIRC fedora vms require it turned off. Let me see if I can find mmore info
[19:38] <svij> oh
[19:40] <DanChapman> svij was it a single core instance?
[19:40] <svij> DanChapman: nope
[19:40] <svij> dual core
[19:44] <svij> DanChapman: wait, do you mean my ec2 instance or the vm inside the ec2 instance, which bootet the iso?
[19:46] <DanChapman> the vm that booted the iso. I can't remember what the runner set's it up with.
[19:47] <svij> yes, that was dual core
[19:49] <DanChapman> ok thanks. I'm just concerned as the test didn't actually run according to that log file. It looks like it crashed pretty quickly after ubiquity launched
[19:51] <svij> that's also what I was seeing (with my less knowledge about autopilot)
[19:53] <DanChapman> so the "Autopilot GTK interface loaded. Wire protocol version is 1.4" appears when the launcher "run_ubiquity" is triggered, the test will wait for ubiquity to come up before the test starts and you should see "I: Running autopilot run ubiquity_autopilot_*"
[19:54] <DanChapman> so it's either a problem with the runner/test-environment or an issue with running in the cloud
[19:55] <svij> hhmm…
[19:55] <svij> I'll do some more investigations on the weekend about this issue
[19:55] <svij> someone needs to fix the tests anyway, beside of my problems ;)
[19:59] <DanChapman> I'll get them running again. Seems a couple of large bugs have been dropped off my backlog for OTA-6 so I will squeeze this in :-)
[19:59] <balloons> Hehe nice
[20:00] <balloons> Brb
[20:00] <svij> nice!
[20:02] <dkessel> done. bug 1479064 is unassigned now.
[20:09] <DanChapman> ok cool assigned to me. I should have them running again by next meeting. Are we back to friday next week? or you still away then balloons?
[20:15] <balloons> Yes I'm away again
[20:16] <balloons> Um hmm
[20:16] <balloons> Meet without me perhaps?
[20:23] <svij> Should be fine for me
[20:24] <svij> I'm going to bed now... Next week Friday sane time is fine for me
[20:25] <knome> sane times are ok, insane times, nope
[20:25] <knome> (good evening!)
[20:25] <balloons> K. Sounds good
[20:25] <balloons> Thanks everyone!
[20:25] <balloons> Hey knome
[20:25] <balloons> Work that I'm off as well
[20:26] <balloons> *with
[20:26] <knome> heh
[20:26] <knome> have fun


[01:55] <hobbyBobby> hope you guys like big files I'm uploading a 2Gb sos report
[09:59] <rvba> jtv1: I'm working on fixing the DHCP config writing code so that it copes with multiple managed interfaces.
[10:00] <jtv1> Great, thanks.
[10:25] <jtv> rvba: O
[10:25] <jtv> Ahem.  EKEYPOS
[10:25] <rvba> o_O
[10:26] <jtv> rvba: I'm updating ZoneGenerator to support multiple managed interfaces per nodegroup.  It may be relevant to what you're doing.
[10:26] <rvba> jtv: Is it?  I'm only working on the DHCP config.  Not touching the DNS side of things.
[10:27] <jtv> Ah of course.
[10:27] <jtv> No worries then.\
[11:32] <allenap> rvba: When I run the development Django service (make services/webapp/@run) it doesn’t /seem/ to be reading urls.py, but I don’t understand why. I can add `raise SystemExit(1)` at the module level and Django just rolls on. Any ideas?
[11:34] <jtv> ...Read on demand?
[11:34] <rvba> allenap: that's not what *I* see: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6825715/
[11:41] <rvba> allenap: btw, you remember our discussion about WithMACAddressesMixin.is_valid?  I was wrong, it's enough to populate form.errors to make the form invalid (and we actually have a test for this).
[11:44] <allenap> rvba: Cool, that’s great.
[11:46] <roaksoax> howdy all
[11:47] <jtv> hi roaksoax
[11:47] <roaksoax> allenap: so I consulted to various people and looked online, and it seems that having kmultiple setup.py's is a non standard thing to do, and that you usually should bundle verything under 1 single setup.py
[11:47] <roaksoax> jtv: howdy!
[11:47] <roaksoax> also *please* make sure whatever lands in trunk with new dependencies w2e are aware of
[11:48] <roaksoax> to have time to package it
[11:48] <roaksoax> MIR it
[11:48] <roaksoax> etc
[11:48] <roaksoax> we are pretty packed with work right now
[11:51] <allenap> roaksoax: They’re not all in the same directory.
[11:52] <allenap> roaksoax: The problem is that the setup.py at the top level does not align with a single Python package. It’s just a mess really.
[11:55] <roaksoax> allenap: i think you should consult with doko on this matter, or even barry
[11:55] <roaksoax> allenap: they will know better than me how you should package this in the python way
[11:57] <allenap> roaksoax: Okay, fair enough.
[11:58] <allenap> rvba: I’m going insane. I can do os._exit(1) at the top of urls.py and it doesn’t exit!
[11:58] <jtv> strace | grep urls.py?
[11:58] <jtv> Maybe you're just in the wrong directory or something.
[12:07] <rvba> allenap: looks like one of those cases where a stale .pyc is used instead…
[12:53] <jtv> rvba: is the DHCP change working out OK?
[12:57] <rvba> jtv: looks okay so far, but I'm not done yet and I'll also build a package and give it a spin in the lab to make sure it still works with only one managed interface.
[12:59] <jtv> rvba: an easy way to check that might be to diff the resulting configurations.
[13:21] <tomixxx> hi, i have set dhcp settings and reboot my maas-server and now i get an "internal server error" when i try to open <IP_ADDRESS>/MAAS
[13:21] <tomixxx> any ideas
[13:22] <tomixxx> ?
[13:33] <tomixxx> noone? :(
[13:35] <rvba> tomixxx: please have a look at the logs in /var/log/maas and /var/log/apache2/*.log to see if you can find details about the error.
[13:36] <tomixxx> kk
[13:38] <tomixxx> in celery-region.log: i get Consumer: Connection Error : [Errno101] network is unreachable. trying again in 32 seconds...
[13:39] <rvba> Looks like a connectivity problem.
[13:39] <tomixxx> i have set the dhcp settings, oh and the network card interface is another one
[13:40] <tomixxx> and in /var/log/apache2 i get : error: Network is unreachable
[13:41] <tomixxx> do i need an active internet conneciton for maas?
[13:41] <tomixxx> because in my current setup, i have NO internet !
[13:41] <tomixxx> only a private network
[13:42] <rvba> Well, you need access to internet, either directly or through a proxy.
[13:42] <rvba> You need to download all the install images.
[13:42] <rvba> And the nodes need internet access to fetch the packages they need.
[13:43] <tomixxx> damn
[13:43] <tomixxx> i mean i have two network interface cards in my maas server
[13:43] <tomixxx> one is connected to the nodes in ne maas-network and the other to my uni-network
[13:47] <tomixxx> i dont know if one of the cards does not work...
[15:39] <BjornT> hi. i'm having an issue that sometimes when i juju deploy in a maas environment, cloud-init fails to execute the part-001 script. i couldn't see any other error message than error code 3, think. is this a known issue?
[15:44] <rvba> BjornT: I don't think it's a known issue, could you please file a bug describing the issue (https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+filebug)?  (make sure you include the result of running 'sudo maas dumpdata metadataserver.NodeCommissionResult' as an attachment to the bug.)
[15:48] <BjornT> rvba: sure. does it matter that i manually ran the script, which made the setup continue? i.e. will the NodeCommissionResult be different because of that?
[15:54] <rvba> BjornT: Do you mean that you ran the commissioning scripts manually?
[15:57] <BjornT> rvba: yes, i looked at which script cloud-init tried to run (/var/lib/cloud/instance/scripts/part-001) and ran it to see whether it would tell me how it failed. except that it succeeded that time.
[15:58] <rvba> BjornT: right, so the NodeCommissionResult table should contain the output the script when it failed.
[15:59] <rvba> the output *of* the script
[16:07] <BjornT> rvba: https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1273296
[16:15] <rvba> BjornT: Ta
[22:55] <bigjools_> BjornT, rvba: correct me if I'm wrong, but Bjorn is talking about cloud init, not commissioning scripts?
[22:56] <bigjools_> hey BjornT BTW :)


[00:10] <leonardr> jcsackett: r=me if you add it to the NEWS.txt
[03:53] <thumper> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~thumper/launchpad/less-wip-emails/+merge/39489
[03:53] <thumper> anyone
[03:53] <thumper> StevenK: are you on?
[03:56] <StevenK> thumper: I am now.
[04:07] <thumper> StevenK: want to look at that review?
[04:07] <thumper> StevenK: we can get someone else to mentor your review
[04:07] <thumper> StevenK: but you can have the practice
[04:09] <StevenK> thumper: It is also currently 11pm, and I'd like to sleep so I can be useful in the 9am session tomorrow, unlike today where I didn't feel awake until 10.
[04:09] <thumper> StevenK: oh, forgot
[04:09] <thumper> sorry, feel free to leave it
[04:09] <StevenK> thumper: Ah, you thought I was in .au?
[04:09] <thumper> yeah
[04:09] <StevenK> Heh, yes.
[04:57] <thumper> wallyworld: I'm looking at your review
[04:58] <wallyworld> thumper: thanks. actually, any idea why firefox  keeps asking me to enter a username/password when it is being ised by windmill to run the tests?
[04:58] <thumper> no, just ignore it
[04:58] <wallyworld> the popup says: "The site says: 'bookmark-user-auth blah blah blah'
[04:59] <wallyworld> yeah, but i have to click cancel 100000 times since there's so many of them and sometimes if i don't the test fails :-(
[04:59] <wallyworld> and i also get "invalid security certificate"
[04:59] <wallyworld> and it leaves zombie firefox instances eating all my cpu :-(
[05:00] <wallyworld> and sometimes i get that page where you need to click to add a security exception
[05:00] <wallyworld> makes it very hard to run the tests
[05:01] <wallyworld> is it just me/my setup or is it a general problem?
[05:01] <thumper> I don't get that....
[05:02] <wallyworld> hmmmm. what should have been a 5 minute test took way longer dealing with that stuff cause the test kept failing :-(. i'll have to look into it then
[05:03] <thumper> :(
[05:03] <thumper> I gave you the wrong info
[05:03] <thumper> str(e) isn't good enough
[05:03] <thumper> <Product at 0xa592f10> has no linked branch.
[05:03] <thumper> is kinda crap
[05:04] <wallyworld> ah bugger. i didn't see that when i ran it up.
[05:04] <wallyworld> probably cause i had fake products foo and bar
[05:04] <wallyworld> i'll make the test better and fix the problem
[05:05] <wallyworld> leave it with me
[05:05] <thumper> wallyworld: cool
[05:05] <wallyworld> everything else ok though?
[05:08] <thumper> looks reasonable
[05:11] <thumper> jtv: hi
[05:11] <jtv> hi thumper
[05:11] <jtv> I'll trade you.
[05:11] <thumper> jtv: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~thumper/launchpad/less-wip-emails/+merge/39489
[05:12] <thumper> jtv: what do you have?
[05:12] <jtv> thumper: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jtv/launchpad/bug-662552-view-permissions/+merge/39481
[05:12] <thumper> nice size for a review :)
[05:13] <jtv> Took enough research, I can tell you.
[05:16]  * jtv looks at Snapshot
[05:17] <thumper> jtv: Snapshot is what the LaunchpadFormView uses, and lazr.restful
[05:17] <thumper> jtv: the code I changed was using the delta object in error
[05:17] <thumper> it just happened to work
[05:19] <jtv> nod
[05:23] <jtv> thumper: so far so good, but I just have to find something.  Could you replace "there is no email job created" (test_branchmergeproposal.py) with something easier to read?
[05:23] <thumper> sure
[05:23]  * jtv suddenly realizes the danger of picking nits while doing mutual reviews
[05:26] <jtv> thumper: wouldn't test_nominateReview_no_job_if_work_in_progress clearer if it just did a "with person_logged_in(bmp.registrant): bmp.nominateReviewer(...)" instead of logging in at what looks like a somewhat arbitrary point?
[05:27] <jtv> *be* clearer, that is
[05:27] <thumper> jtv: probably, I was primarily just copying existing tests
[05:27] <jtv> (pot, kettle)
[05:28] <jtv> There's one other thing in that method: in the IStore(...).find(), the last line of the condition isn't indented enough.  I think it'd help to keep BMPJobType.REVIEW_REQUEST_EMAIL in a variable.  One with a short name.
[05:28] <thumper> jtv: where is that first line you want changed?
[05:29] <jtv> test_nominateReview_no_job_if_work_in_progress as well, top comment, 2nd line.
[05:30] <jtv> Oh!  How about putting the IStore(...).find() in a helper method, so that the positive test can check for the exact same thing?
[05:30]  * thumper was looking in old branch
[05:30] <thumper> jtv: because the positive test wants the one
[05:31] <thumper> does store.one return None or raise if not found?
[05:31] <jtv> Raises.
[05:31] <jtv> But any() does what you want here, no?
[05:31] <thumper> no
[05:31] <thumper> because if there was 4
[05:31] <thumper> it would pass
[05:31] <jtv> Simple solution: have your helper return the result set.
[05:31] <wallyworld> thumper: can you ping me when you are done.
[05:35] <jtv> thumper: there are a few other places in the test that could potentially be nicer with a "with person_logged_in()" but I'll leave that up to you.  Approving.
[05:35] <thumper> ta
[05:36] <thumper> wallyworld: whazzup?
[05:36] <wallyworld> the issue is that NoLinkedBranch and friends use %r for their error messages
[05:36] <wallyworld> so i will have to catch each type and recreated the error message with %s
[05:37] <wallyworld> any idea why the exceptions don't use %s
[05:37] <thumper> not all types have a string representation
[05:37] <wallyworld> i guess it's to give a better indication of what the object is
[05:37] <thumper> hmm...
[05:38] <wallyworld> well, i would have to check but surely Product et al would have a string representation
[05:39] <thumper> don't expect that
[05:39] <jtv> thumper: and you're done.
[05:39] <thumper> use something like 'name' or display anme
[05:39] <thumper> display_name
[05:39] <thumper> jtv: used with person_logged_in(bmp.registrant) in those tests now
[05:40] <jtv> cool
[05:41] <wallyworld> yeah, so i have to catch the exceptions and recreate a new instance of the same type with display_name as the construction  arg
[05:41] <wallyworld> ?
[05:41] <wallyworld> that way i can then do a str() to get the error message
[05:42] <wallyworld> thumper: sound ok^^^^^^^^^^ ? i have to duck out and pick up the kid from school and buy more tonic water :-)
[05:43] <thumper> wallyworld: I think it would make more sense to have a better error string
[05:43] <thumper> wallyworld: perhaps another method on the exception
[05:43] <thumper> wallyworld: don't recreate a different one
[05:43] <thumper> wallyworld: the exception has all the info we need
[05:43] <thumper> wallyworld: it just isn't showing it to us in a nice way
[05:44] <wallyworld> i don't mean to create a new exception type
[05:44] <thumper> don't create a new object
[05:44] <wallyworld> ack. i didn't think we would want to dick with the exception code. but i can do that np
[05:45] <wallyworld> ie add a new method etc
[05:45] <wallyworld> creating as new object wasn't what i really wanted to do :-)
[11:25] <bac> hi allenap can i add a trivial branch to your queue?
[11:25] <allenap> bac: Certainly :)
[11:25] <bac> great.  LP is still processing the MP but it should show up shortly
[11:26] <bac> i'm going to go walk around the block. brb
[14:06] <adeuring> allenap: couls you please review this MP: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~adeuring/launchpad/bug-594247-unittests-for-searchtasks-3/+merge/39523 ?
[14:06] <allenap> adeuring: Sure.
[14:06] <adeuring> thanks!
[14:21] <rockstar> allenap, can I jump in your queue?
[14:22] <allenap> rockstar: Sure, I've had my eyes on your merge queue proposal already.
[14:22] <rockstar> allenap, ooh, kinky.  :)
[14:22] <rockstar> allenap, for easy lookup: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rockstar/launchpad/merge-queue-index/+merge/39488
[14:42] <adeuring1> allenap: thanks for the review! may I ask for another review? Your remark about the assert() let me realize that I forgot to "bzr commit" the latest changes...
[14:42] <allenap> adeuring1: Sure.
[14:42] <adeuring1> allenap: thanks, and sorry for the confisuon...
[14:43] <allenap> adeuring1: Have you pushed the branch?
[14:43] <adeuring1> allenap: a few seconds ago...
[16:08] <rockstar> allenap, hey, my password fix doesn't actually clobber the password argument.
[16:08] <allenap> rockstar: Really? I must have misread.
[16:09] <rockstar> allenap, so, the only place that password gets used is creating a user if the user isn't specified.  Since we then get a naked user (ooh la la), we're essentially getting the password back from the user, so in some cases, it's really a no-op.
[16:11] <allenap> rockstar: Okay, cool. I'll add a comment to the mp.
[16:52] <leonardr> EdwinGrubbs, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~leonardr/lazr.restfulclient/enhanced-consumer/+merge/39447 now incorporates the changes you wanted
[16:55] <EdwinGrubbs> leonardr: that looks good.
[16:55] <leonardr> ok, great
[18:10] <flacoste> lifeless: feel free to call me
[18:46] <leonardr> edwingrubbs: as long as you're reviewing my branches, want to look at a short follow-up?
[18:46] <leonardr> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~leonardr/lazr.restfulclient/system-wide-consumer/+merge/39552
[18:47] <EdwinGrubbs> leonardr: I'm headed to lunch now, but I could look at it later today.
[18:47] <leonardr> ok, i'll let you know if someone else takes it up
[19:09] <leonardr> EdwinGrubbs: one other minor question. i was thinking of changing OAuthAuthorizer to be able to accept a Consumer object as well as a consumer name (so that I can create it with a SystemWideConsumer), but i could just create it with no consumer and then set the consumer afterwards. let me know which you would rather
[19:15] <EdwinGrubbs> leonardr: I really don't know which way would be better.
[19:16] <leonardr> edwingrubbs: i'll create it with no consumer. it's simpler, and i can change it later
[21:54] <leonardr> Edwin: can you look at that branch? i assumed you'd done the review since you asked that question, but i don't see a review from you
[21:56] <EdwinGrubbs> leonardr: I'll start on the review now.
[21:56] <leonardr> thanks
[22:38] <EdwinGrubbs> leonardr: I did a little looking into the platform module, since I was curious. It appears that some older versions of platform.dist() don't sort the results of listdir('/etc'), so it may randomly get its info from /etc/debian_version or /etc/lsb-release. That seems like it could cause some really confusing bug reports eventually, if authentication breaks. Maybe, you should check if /usr/bin/lsb_release exists and use
[22:38] <EdwinGrubbs> "lsb_release -si"  before trying dist().
[22:48] <leonardr> EdwinGrubbs: my gut reaction to that news is to get rid of the dist() altogether and go right to system()
[22:50] <EdwinGrubbs> leonardr: ok, if "Linux" is distinct enough, that sounds fine.
[22:51] <leonardr> "Linux" is fine
[22:51] <EdwinGrubbs> leonardr: btw, I already submitted my review, but it just rehashes this issue for the record.
[22:51] <leonardr> ok, thanks
[22:56] <jcsackett> lifeless: ping
[23:04] <jcsackett> nm.
[23:21] <lifeless> hi


[01:35] <pleia2> ahoneybun: context? :)
[01:36] <Unit193> That's no fun.
[04:09] <pleia2> sent off to summary writers
[04:09] <ahoneybun> just got the email
[04:09] <pleia2> and I'm in an airport again, will pitch in as I can this weekend, but much busy
[04:09] <ahoneybun> hopefully I'll have sometime
[04:10] <pleia2> hope so, thanks :)
[04:10] <ahoneybun> mmm
[04:10] <ahoneybun> no news for OTA 6?
[04:11] <pleia2> have a link?
[04:11] <pleia2> you're welcome to add it if you have news :)
[04:12] <ahoneybun> release notes?
[04:12] <ahoneybun> if not I guess I need to make a blog post
[04:12] <pleia2> were they posted to a mailing list?
[04:12] <pleia2> ah, found it
[04:13] <pleia2> https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg15195.html
[04:14] <pleia2> alright, added
[04:16] <ahoneybun> nice
[04:16] <pleia2> and the reason we miss things like that is that we're humans who don't hover over every mailing list ;) please feel free to let us know when we miss things
[04:16] <ahoneybun> I know :)
[04:16] <ahoneybun> and thats why there are more then just one of us
[04:17] <pleia2> indeed!
[04:17] <pleia2> ok, putting away my laptop to go to the gate
[04:17] <ahoneybun> cool
[04:21]  * ahoneybun tweeted pleia2
[04:22] <Unit193> Tweet tweet
[16:42] <nhandler> Do we still encourage people to CC (or forward) ubuntu-news-team@ when they have announcements and other news they want us to be aware of?
[19:31] <PaulW2U> nhandler: yes, definitely. especially loco news well *before* an event happens
[19:34] <PaulW2U> pleia2 and I pick up quite a lot between us but contributions from outside the team are most welcome
[20:53] <PaulW2U> All summaries done - I'll look for some more links tomorrow