[19:42] <chilicuil> hi, I'm looking at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds and some .iso images have more testcases that others, what's the process to add new testcases to the one's that have few?
[19:51] <jono> chilicuil, you are probably best emailing balloons
[19:55] <chilicuil> jono: ok, I'll try first doing ping
[19:55] <chilicuil> balloons: hi, I'm looking at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds and some .iso images have more testcases that others, what's the process to add new testcases to the one's that have few?


[00:16] <falktx> bug report about controls failed to build
[00:18] <falktx> seems like a simple s/2.6/2.7/ will do the trick
[02:14] <craigs63> hi all
[02:14] <falktx> hey there
[02:16] <craigs63> I'm reading some of the mailing list archive, getting up to speed.
[02:28] <holstein> hey craigs63
[02:28] <holstein> welcome back
[02:28] <craigs63> thanks!  The meeting is 14 1/2 hours from now, right?
[02:28]  * holstein looking
[02:29] <craigs63> Reading the workflow wiki, where was this 4 years ago  :-)
[02:29] <holstein> craigs63: nah... its on the 4th
[02:29] <craigs63> oh yeah! oops
[02:29] <holstein> craigs63: where ever you were reading should say 'first sunday'
[02:30] <holstein> what says the 2nd sunday?
[02:30] <holstein> a wiki?
[02:30] <craigs63> can't blame the time zone difference for that
[02:30] <craigs63> the wiki used to before I changed it
[02:30] <holstein> craigs63: THANKS!
[02:30] <holstein> those wikis are a challene to keep up with
[02:30] <craigs63> It looks like historically they were on the 2nd, then started going to the 1st Sunday.
[02:31] <holstein> i think i might have instigated that when we moved to the *-meeting channel
[02:31] <holstein> i forget
[02:31] <craigs63> Yeah, it seems like the docs need some help. A lot of references to old releases too
[02:31] <holstein> craigs63: what TZ are you in?
[02:32] <craigs63> Central
[02:32] <craigs63> US
[02:32] <holstein> OK
[02:33] <holstein> craigs63: the ubuntu global jam weekend? i plan on wiki'ing as much as possible
[02:33] <holstein> im making the local LUG meeting on the jam
[02:33] <holstein> i have 3 folks dedicated to the jam so far
[02:33] <craigs63> I hadn't heard about that?
[02:33] <holstein> im busy that weekend though
[02:34] <holstein> its this weekend coming up
[02:34] <holstein> the 2nd throught the 4th
[02:34] <holstein> through*
[02:35] <holstein> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam
[02:35] <holstein> im sure im supposed to have added it to that wiki ;)
[02:35] <craigs63> I just googled it
[02:39] <craigs63> Are regular people reading docs supposed to know Natty and Oneiric and all that?
[02:39] <craigs63> oops, ranting...
[02:40] <holstein> craigs63: well, i think it could say both ideally
[05:11] <craigs63> dumb question, what's a seed?


[17:07] <bobweaver> Hud is now stable and plugged in :)
[17:08] <bobweaver> http://imagebin.org/239578


[19:08] <MrFixIt> does anyone know the proper way to restart gnome-calendar and its background processes without needing to restart your system?


[08:39] <aisrael> I've recently started having issues with cloud-init on an ubuntu-trusty cloud image, on lxd. The cloud-init.log (http://paste.ubuntu.com/23873799/) seems to indicate the error is related to importer.py not being able to import the module 'ubuntu'. Any thoughts on how to fix this?
[08:41] <aisrael> And /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/cloudinit/ doesn't exist in the image
[08:46] <aisrael> ok, so trusty has cloudinit installed for python2.7
[09:01] <aisrael> I think that lib is a non-issue. It gets properly imported later. It does seem like cloud-init isn't fully running, though
[09:12] <aisrael> the config and final modules don't seem to be running. I'm running them manually and it's doing what I expect
[09:23] <aisrael> smoser: ^ when you're in
[14:37] <smoser> aisrael, your log shows cloud-init init-local running
[14:38] <smoser> oh i see. hm.. config and final are not running there.
[14:38] <smoser> sorry, read your ocomment wrong.
[14:46] <smoser> aisrael, possibly you do not have rsyslog ? or its not running ?
[14:51] <smoser> aisrael, fwiw, i just launched a bare container, and it ran fine.
[16:31] <aisrael> smoser, Yeah, it works on another machine for me. Lemme check rsyslog
[16:32] <aisrael> smoser, it's installed. Where cloud-init seems to stop is before starting the ssh service
[16:34] <aisrael> smoser, launching trusty in lxd works as normal. doing a juju add-machine, the container comes up in lxd, gets an ip, but stops after that
[16:37] <smoser> /etc/init/cloud-config.conf
[16:37] <smoser>  start on (filesystem and started rsyslog)
[16:37] <smoser> it seems like you're getting cloud-init's other jobs fine
[16:38] <smoser> so either filesystem or rsyslog would seem to be not getting reached
[16:42] <aisrael> interesting! I'll start debugging from there. thanks, smoser


[00:12] <ahoneybun> hey valorie
[00:12] <valorie> hi ahoneybun
[00:12] <valorie> how are you?
[00:12] <ahoneybun> good you?
[00:13] <valorie> excellent
[00:13] <valorie> one of my sons visited yesterday, and I went to a really fun party last night
[00:13] <ahoneybun> good
[00:13] <ahoneybun> cool
[00:14] <ahoneybun> so about translations
[00:15] <ahoneybun> we are waiting till we get the mini-docs set?
[00:15] <valorie> hmmm, I'll have to say I haven't thought about the mini-docs issue
[00:16] <valorie> grrr, and i said I would write to the doc and web teams a week ago
[00:16] <valorie> I'll do that right now
[00:16] <ahoneybun> your the best
[00:17] <valorie> because: if we were able to move the docs to KDE infra, our docs would ALL be translated
[00:17] <valorie> and that would be the best outcome IMO
[00:17] <valorie> ok, I'll write right now
[00:17] <ahoneybun> brb
[00:18] <valorie> I'll cc you
[00:18] <valorie> and scarlett, I think
[00:30] <ahoneybun> back
[00:31] <valorie> sent
[00:31] <ahoneybun> valorie, the ubuntu-us-fl team had a good reboot meeting
[00:32] <valorie> \o/
[00:33] <valorie> have you met the Halls?
[00:33] <valorie> Mike and Michelle?
[00:33] <ahoneybun> yep talking about making a 3 person council not 1 leader
[00:33] <ahoneybun> talked to mhalls yea
[00:33] <ahoneybun> not in person
[00:33] <valorie> I would love to have Mike especially more friendly with some Kubuntu people
[00:34] <valorie> they are fabulous people; I've stayed with them after UDS years ago
[00:35] <valorie> I would love to see peace between the Mir devels and those of us heading towards Wayland
[00:37] <ahoneybun> excellent email
[00:38] <valorie> I hope it stirs up some cooperation
[00:39] <ahoneybun> I think it will
[00:40] <ahoneybun> the community will come together :)
[00:43] <valorie> that's what I work for
[00:44] <valorie> everywhere
[00:44] <ahoneybun> yep
[00:50] <ahoneybun> I'm going to focus on the Basic page rewrite now
[00:50] <ahoneybun> well I think next weekedn
[00:50] <ahoneybun> *weekend
[00:50] <valorie> oh good, I'm sure it needs an overhaul
[00:51] <valorie> by next weekend I expect to either be suffering from total chaos here, or be on the brink
[00:52] <valorie> contractors will come soon to tear apart the back bath
[00:52] <valorie> in preparation for the new construction
[00:53]  * ahoneybun just found that the update last week fixes 2 bugs
[00:53]  * ahoneybun that he had
[00:57] <valorie> I have about 2 bugs, and so far, not fixed
[00:57] <valorie> haven't had time to research and report, though
[00:57] <ahoneybun> valorie, how well would it be to install kubuntu-desktop on top of my Ubuntu?
[00:57] <valorie> should be good
[00:57] <valorie> you want to be able to switch back and forth?
[00:57] <ahoneybun> best chance I have to get Kubuntu
[00:57] <ahoneybun> at login
[00:58] <ahoneybun> since it has errors with UEFI and I don't want to lose what I have now
[00:58] <valorie> grub should take care of that for ya
[00:58] <ahoneybun> I have a lot installed
[00:58] <valorie> oh yeah
[00:58] <valorie> uefi sucks
[00:58] <ahoneybun> android devel
[00:58] <ahoneybun> with ubuntu it works for me lol
[01:00] <valorie> yes, I don't know why we have a harder time
[01:02] <valorie> I assume you've read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[01:03] <ahoneybun> nope just installed like normal
[01:04] <valorie> then kubuntu should have no problems either
[01:05] <ahoneybun> I just have so much setup here
[01:05]  * ahoneybun looks how he setup the table
[01:06] <ahoneybun> nope all in one parition
[01:12] <valorie> you've had kubuntu in a VM so far?
[01:13] <ahoneybun> valorie, yea in Windows but have not booted it in awhile
[01:13] <valorie> I'm the opposite; I have windows here but never use it
[01:13] <valorie> I don't like unity, so just always install or upgrade kub
[01:14] <valorie> but i do seed torrents for all the flavors
[01:16] <ahoneybun> I'm seeding Kubuntu 13.10 and 12.04-3
[01:16] <ahoneybun> on Windows
[03:17] <soee> i have a feeling that using menubar on panel makes my system a bit more responsive than having it at the top of the screen
[04:47] <apachelogger> kubotu: order coffee
[04:47]  * kubotu slides a cup of steamy hot coffee down the bar to apachelogger.
[06:27] <apachelogger> Riddell: trouble... for whoopsie we need a core dump, but there is no core until after drkonqi is done
[06:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: also if we force a dump after drkonqi is done the stack will show the crash handling frames as well I suppose
[06:38] <apachelogger> considering every kapplication dump would have that it probably wouldn't be a big issue
[06:52] <apachelogger> still le terrible because we do not want apport-kde coming up after drkonqi and we also do not want to override apport as core dump handler
[06:55] <apachelogger> so what we coudl do is 1. raise() after drkonqi is done - slightly polluting the dump with kcrash's sighandler frame 2. have drkonqi write a file to /var/crash with a .drkonqi-upload suffix 3. have k-n-h or apport-kde or apport look for such a suffix and if present create the .upload file for whoopsie without ever presenting a UI
[06:57] <apachelogger> so it'd be a delayed whoopsie upload ... the user allows the upload of an automatic report in drkonqi but only after drkonqi terminated the crashing application will trigger a core dump -> apport report which is then cleared for upload via whoopsie by some other application (k-n-h/apport-kde/apport) based on drkonqi
[07:42] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6544638/
[08:30] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: Ah sorry I ment the Romanian one, the tr has led me a stray: http://tr.kubuntu.org/bootstrap/
[09:19] <apachelogger> Riddell: knh lives in bzr btw
[09:19] <apachelogger> also that po file import looks like a workaround^3 :P
[09:22] <lordievader> Good morning btw.
[09:39] <jussi> mgraesslin: ++++
[09:39] <mgraesslin> jussi: ?
[09:39] <jussi> mgraesslin: I just found out a little nicety with kwin :=)
[09:39] <jussi> alt+ left click = resizing without trying to find that super annoying little edge
[09:40] <mgraesslin> alt+right click
[09:40] <jussi> yeah, dunno why I wrote left :?
[09:41] <jussi> but in anycase, really nice
[09:45] <ovidiu-florin> lordievader: hey, are you around?
[09:45] <jussi> ovidiu-florin: the stickers are coming!!
[09:46] <ovidiu-florin> jussi: that's great news
[09:46] <ovidiu-florin> does that mean that you've sent them already?
[09:46] <jussi> no, it means they are on the way to me
[09:47] <ovidiu-florin> ah, still good :D
[09:47] <ovidiu-florin> I've shipped a laptop with preinstalled Kubuntu :D
[09:47] <apachelogger> Riddell: synced to bzr and added validity checks we'll have to build upon for drkonqi integration
[09:48] <ovidiu-florin> would have been good to put a sticker on that :D
[09:49] <jussi> ovidiu-florin: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2usG9rmoZzcUlJ2RE1ZLVZlUm9pVE02MVFVYjVONzZaU1Nj/edit?usp=sharing
[09:50] <ovidiu-florin> transparent? or white background
[09:50] <ovidiu-florin> ?
[09:51] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: Yes, I'm here.
[09:52] <ovidiu-florin> jussi: ^^
[09:52] <jussi> white, as we talked about
[09:53] <ovidiu-florin> lordievader: regarding that conversation about the romanian page, I didn't understand, what was that about?
[09:53] <ovidiu-florin> jussi: ok
[09:54] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: I think there was some confusing whether that page would go to docs.kubuntu.org or not.
[09:54] <ovidiu-florin> what page?
[09:54] <ovidiu-florin> lordievader: ^
[09:56] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: The bootstrap page you linked to in: https://trello.com/c/iljLYjJT/75-create-one-page-html-for-first-impression-about-kubuntu-on-kubuntu-org
[09:56] <ovidiu-florin> I didn't do that
[09:56] <ovidiu-florin> that's Volkan
[09:56] <ovidiu-florin> turkush dude
[09:57] <ovidiu-florin> turkish*
[09:58] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: Ah my apologies, got things mixed up. Sorry about that.
[09:58] <ovidiu-florin> that page looks awsome thoug
[09:59] <ovidiu-florin> I think I can get my friend Cosmin to work something up
[09:59] <ovidiu-florin> I'll put him in contact with Volkan
[09:59] <lordievader> ahoneybun: The one page summary page we talked about yesterday was created by volkan, not by ovidiu-florin. I got things mixed up, sorry.
[10:07] <Riddell> "Jussi Schultink (jussi01) renewed their own membership in the Kubuntu Members" yay jussi still loves us!
[10:14] <Riddell> "Kristóf Kiszel (ulysses) renewed their own membership in the Kubuntu Members" well good he still loves us even if he hasn't been around for ages
[10:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: pushed ui changes to kcm-whoopsie
[10:30] <Riddell> apachelogger: what's new?
[11:00] <apachelogger> Riddell: metrics UI gone away and previous reports is no longer right hand side aligned
[11:00] <apachelogger> and I now have a working prototype for drkonqi whoopsying
[11:06] <Riddell> apachelogger: great, how did you get over the not having a core dump issue?
[11:07] <apachelogger> re-raising signal to the native handler after drkonqi is done
[11:07] <Riddell> genius
[11:07] <apachelogger> kcrash by default will _exit which is why there is no core dump
[11:09] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6545313/
[11:10] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/SAb1LfS.png
[11:10] <apachelogger> when submission is checked it writes a stamp file into /var/crash
[11:10] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6545315
[11:11] <apachelogger> kcrash then looks for that file and either re-raises the signal to the native handler (causing a core dump which in turn launches apport) or exists as before
[11:11] <kfunk> two crash handler notifications? sounds annoying
[11:12] <apachelogger> apport then creates the report based on the dump
[11:12] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6545323/
[11:13] <apachelogger> k-n-h checks for each report whether it was already approved for submission by the user and if so triggers a batch upload script that uploads all reports with approval
[11:13] <apachelogger> if there is none it will launch apport-kde (i.e. for !kapplications)
[11:14] <apachelogger> kfunk: one handler really
[11:14] <apachelogger> it's why the patch spans three different pieces of software
[11:38] <soee__> good morning
[11:43] <lordievader> Hey soee, how are you doing?
[11:44] <soee> lordievader: not so good aftert half of night working :)
[11:44] <soee> you ?
[12:13] <lordievader> soee: Ugh doesn't sound like fun. I'm doing quite okay.
[12:26] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[13:02] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1242633] unity pointer barriers sru bug @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1242633 (by Maarten Lankhorst)
[13:55] <shadeslayer> xnox: regarding our cache population discussion, can you clarify further what tracking the pid means?
[14:02] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1195007] qt patch introduces fatal gdk_x_error handler @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1195007 (by Patrick Oßmann)
[14:26] <shadeslayer> xnox: so, does adding a new method in plugininstall.py and then calling it from inside run() cound as pid tracking?
[14:27] <xnox> shadeslayer: hm, actually i was thinking something like ubiquity-dm does for working long-running processes (e.g. dbus, gnome-settings-daemon, etc)
[14:28] <shadeslayer> xnox: do you want to take over from me on this ? :P
[14:28] <xnox> shadeslayer: but that's only if we want to do it in parallel to everything else (like the downloading of the packages are)
[14:28] <shadeslayer> since I've wasted quite a bit of time and you're better at this
[14:28] <xnox> shadeslayer: but, if one does it sequentially in plugininstall.py just an exec should be fine, as long as you block until it completes and exits.
[14:28] <xnox> shadeslayer: same like the apparmor function is done.
[14:29] <xnox> shadeslayer: =))))) i understand. it would help if you could hunt down where software-centre post-install hook is executed.
[14:29] <xnox> shadeslayer: cause if we add this, then we should remove the "deleting of the cache" bits and instead do incremental cache update.
[14:29] <xnox> shadeslayer: i can do it, but probably not this year.
[14:29] <shadeslayer> heh okay
[14:30] <xnox> shadeslayer: is there a bug report about it? feel free to assign it to me?!
[14:30] <shadeslayer> I'll file one
[14:30] <shadeslayer> and I don't see how I can find the software-centre post-install hook is located when you failed at locating it :P
[14:31] <shadeslayer> xnox: possibly it comes from software-center?
[14:48] <shadeslayer> xnox: there's also a item on our trello board about ubiquity QML
[14:51] <xnox> shadeslayer: QML is wishful thinking. There are no current plans to re-engineer ubiquity.
[14:56] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I think that's a quick todo item done then :)
[14:56] <shadeslayer> ^^
[14:56] <shadeslayer> already commented
[15:05] <Blizzz> shadeslayer: the new touchpad config in system settings is that with the white icon (and the old one with the grey one), right?
[15:06] <shadeslayer> Yep
[15:06] <Blizzz> ty
[15:07]  * shadeslayer already found a bug
[15:07] <Blizzz> shadeslayer: and i a papercut, but just looked 5s on it. which bug is it?
[15:08] <shadeslayer> Blizzz: touchpad gets disabled when you plugin your mouse no matter what you set
[15:10] <sem> Riddell: wifi connected properly  with 14.04
[15:14] <shadeslayer> xnox: bug 1259202
[15:18] <BluesKaj> Peace--, yes i'm impressed with the the wifi on 14.04 , connected immediately during installion ...pretty cool considering previous problems with HW recognition
[15:19] <BluesKaj> broadcom is probly the most used wifi chip on laptops nowadays
[15:19] <Blizzz> shadeslayer: for me it works (usb)
[15:20] <shadeslayer> ah
[15:20] <shadeslayer> I have synaptiks
[15:20] <shadeslayer> lemme see
[15:20] <Blizzz> shadeslayer: oh, my mouse seems to be on the ignore list
[15:20] <BluesKaj> isn't there key one can use to temporarily disable the the touchpad ?
[15:21] <shadeslayer> not on mine
[15:21] <Blizzz> shadeslayer: no, the disable touchpad when mouse is plugged in option works for me as it should
[15:22] <Blizzz> and i love the deactivate touchpad on keyboard activity featue
[15:24] <BluesKaj> Blizzz, where do I find that function? , doesn't appear in synaptiks here
[15:25] <BluesKaj> using a wireless mouse
[15:25] <Blizzz> BluesKaj: yes, it's not in synaptiks
[15:26] <Blizzz> but in CFT
[15:26] <Blizzz> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2013-December/007596.html
[15:33] <shadeslayer> Blizzz: CFT = Call for Testing :D
[15:34] <Peace--> BluesKaj: really i had problems with wifi and my bcm4306 on 14.04
[15:35] <Peace--> BluesKaj: i had to install the firmware but after that in my case i was not able to connect to my wifi because network manager did not add my wifi
[15:35] <Peace--> BluesKaj: i did a upgrade and now it's working
[15:35] <Peace--> :s
[15:35] <Blizzz> shadeslayer: nah, I'm case sensitive :p
[15:36] <Peace--> BluesKaj: anyways i had a nice solutioon i shared my wifi with an ethernet one :D computer 1 with wifi connected   ethernet cable         computer 2
[15:49] <shadeslayer> kubotu: newversion kdevelop 4.6
[15:49] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1259220
[16:01] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can you also mark https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdevelop/+bug/1259220 as affecting kdevplatform , kdevelop-php, kdevelop-php-docs and kdev-python
[16:13] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I fixed dat mail
[16:13] <shadeslayer> thank you
[16:14] <apachelogger> also ... APT, CLI, GUI, KDE, FLOSS, GPL, SRU, BTS, ITP, IDE, ISO, PPA and other previously approved acronyms may be used as previously approved
[16:14] <apachelogger> oh and I see Blizzz didn't know what CFT means either
[16:14] <apachelogger> less reason to feel stupid \o/
[16:15] <Riddell> shadeslayer: isn't that obvious to anyone who cares?
[16:15] <apachelogger> it's actually spooky if you think about how many acronyms we use on a daily basis
[16:15] <shadeslayer> Riddell: easier to track for me, then I know which packages have been uploaded if I break the task over 2 days
[16:16] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: wouldn't it cause breakage if you upload them one-by-one?
[16:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: not if I properly version Build Depends so that all of them build against the new kdevplatform
[16:18] <apachelogger> so confusing
[16:18] <Riddell> shadeslayer: do I have more beastie powers than you?
[16:18] <shadeslayer> Riddell: probably
[16:19] <shadeslayer> I can't add more projects to the same bug
[16:19] <shadeslayer> or atleast I couldn't find a way to
[16:19] <apachelogger> because you are not motu
[16:19] <apachelogger> nor core-dev
[16:20] <apachelogger> nor have you requested the mighty access powas
[16:20] <shadeslayer> I'm on the bug squad
[16:20] <shadeslayer> but that's about it
[16:20] <apachelogger> you must be in bug-control
[16:20] <shadeslayer> right, I'm in that
[16:20] <shadeslayer> bug squad, bug control, so confusing
[16:20] <apachelogger> then you can add more packages
[16:20] <shadeslayer> What button?
[16:21] <apachelogger> the add more distro shoot button
[16:21] <shadeslayer> aha
[16:21] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I can't find a way either
[16:21] <shadeslayer> gotcha
[16:22]  * apachelogger waves fist
[16:22] <apachelogger> Riddell is like the enmy of all BTS ^^
[16:22] <apachelogger> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdevelop/+bug/1259220/+distrotask
[16:22] <apachelogger> here ye go
[16:22] <apachelogger> I clicked a button :P
[16:23] <shadeslayer> xD
[16:23] <shadeslayer> Anyway, added everything
[16:24] <apachelogger> so rude
[16:24] <apachelogger> https://launchpad.net/bugs/737856
[16:24] <apachelogger> shadeslayer, Blizzz: ^ can anyone reproduce that
[16:24] <apachelogger> cuz I have a patchy somewhere
[16:24] <apachelogger> alas no working touchpad
[16:24] <apachelogger> so I can't test it ^^
[16:25] <apachelogger> Riddell: going to push whoopsie stuff tomorrow I think
[16:25] <Riddell> apachelogger: lovely
[16:26] <apachelogger> still gotta check with someone whether using qfile classes in a handler is a good idea
[16:26] <Blizzz> apachelogger: the report is for the old synaptiks?
[16:27] <apachelogger> yes
[16:27] <Blizzz> apachelogger: maybe it's my eyes but I don't see an 'automatically switch off, if a mouse is plugged' option there
[16:27] <apachelogger> should be context menu of the tray applet
[16:28] <apachelogger> unless ScottK patched the option away which certainly would explain why the submission frequency has decreased to almost nil
[16:30] <Blizzz> apachelogger: i don't have a tray thingy for this. maybe i got rid of it somehow sometime ago
[16:31] <apachelogger> curious ^^
[16:31] <apachelogger> <- knows nothing about the synaptiks thing
[16:31] <shadeslayer> start synaptiks via krunner
[16:31] <shadeslayer> then you get the tray thingy
[16:33] <Blizzz> shadeslayer: true.
[16:34] <Blizzz> apachelogger: it crashes, when i swithc iff autoamtically switch off foobar
[16:35] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-ext4/msg10172.html
[16:35] <apachelogger> Blizzz: I'll give you a patchy tomorrow then
[16:37] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: fun
[16:38] <BluesKaj> ok now , where is kde-touchpad-config located ?
[16:39] <Blizzz> apachelogger: okilidokili
[16:39] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: ppa:kubuntu-ppa/experimental
[16:40] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, already installed it , but it doesn't show upp in the usual places , locate doesn't evn show it
[16:41] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: same place as synaptiks
[16:41] <BluesKaj> already looked , no change
[16:41] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[16:41] <shadeslayer> Screen shot of the input stuff?
[16:43] <BluesKaj> ok, it finally showed up , thanks shadeslayer
[16:44] <shadeslayer> \o/
[17:02] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so I have a nasty patch that disables systemd checking allowing one to drop pm-utils from the CD
[17:02] <shadeslayer> *disables systemd version checks in powerdevil
[17:03] <shadeslayer> http://paste.kde.org/p0bf51826
[17:10] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I think that's about as good as we're going to get
[17:10] <Riddell> we need to test it manually each release that it all still works
[17:12] <shadeslayer> yep, suspend, hibernate and hybrid sleep
[19:30] <ScottK> apachelogger: I have no recollection of any such events.
[19:38] <FlowRiser> Hey guys, i am investigating a bug; Can somebody help me real quick ?  When you log in/out does the userbar move to the last user that logged in?
[20:20] <crissi> hello
[20:20] <crissi> just want to know when kdevelop 4.6 binaries will be available...
[20:30] <Lukas_> hi
[20:31] <Lukas_> dont know
[20:31] <Lukas_> but
[20:31] <Lukas_> here
[20:31] <Lukas_> everybody speak soooooo much ;D
[20:33] <lordievader> Lukas_: Shh, don't wake the idlers.
[20:34] <shadeslayer> crissi: already uploaded for Trusty
[20:34] <shadeslayer> Uploading for saucy to staging PPA
[20:37] <Lukas_> lordievader: why ?:>
[20:37] <crissi> yes just saw it
[20:37] <crissi> shadeslayer: url?
[20:38] <shadeslayer> crissi: huh?
[20:38] <shadeslayer> crissi: for Trusty?
[20:38] <crissi> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdevelop ?
[20:38] <shadeslayer> yes
[20:38] <shadeslayer> for Saucy https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/staging
[20:38] <shadeslayer> still waiting to be built, plz don't add that ppa
[20:39] <crissi> so sauchy build should be available shortly at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdevelop ?
[20:40] <shadeslayer> no
[20:40] <lordievader> Lukas_: Just joking ;)
[20:40] <shadeslayer> In kubuntu-ppa/backports
[20:40] <crissi> this one i already have added
[20:41] <shadeslayer> cool, you'll get it soon then
[20:42] <Lukas_> lordievader: i thought if they will wake up something bad will happen ;D
[20:42] <lordievader> Lukas_: It just might ;)
[20:48] <Lukas_> lordievader:  so maybe seriously ill dont wake them up ;p
[20:51] <BluesKaj> just kdevelop 4.4.6 in the repos during an upgrade
[20:51] <BluesKaj> saw
[20:53] <lordievader> Gues I should update to 4.6 at some time.
[21:00] <Lukas_> im new and seriously i dunno what did u say ;d
[21:00] <Lukas_> i dunno that slang ;d
[21:01] <lordievader> Guess*
[21:01] <Lukas_> hehe that i did understand ;d
[21:02] <Lukas_> just kdevelop 4.4.6 in the repos during an upgrade <-- that didnt ;d
[21:02] <lordievader> Lukas_: Wasn't really directed at you, more in general. Im running kdevelop 4.5.60 and should update to 4.6.
[21:02] <Lukas_> what he said ?;d
[21:02] <Lukas_> ahhh
[21:02] <lordievader> Lukas_: Ah, do you know what a repo is? (This is more of a support question, are you in #kubuntu?)
[21:02] <Lukas_> google said me what is it ;d
[21:03] <Lukas_> dunno why im on kubuntu-devel ;D
[21:03] <lordievader> Lukas_: /join #kubuntu ;)
[21:03] <Lukas_> y
[21:03] <Lukas_> i did it ;d
[21:04] <Lukas_> im too low for Your level ;d
[21:04] <Lukas_> and too old for learning that ;d
[21:05] <Noskcaj> Riddell, Why is the maintainer of orage in ubuntu the kubuntu members?
[22:58] <ahoneybun> hey lordievader
[23:09] <Riddell> Noskcaj: hah, no idea


[02:20] <majornikku> hi
[03:39] <renaldocreative> Hello everyone my name is Renaldo and I'm a web developer and graphic designer. I want to help out with the graphics in Ubuntu.
[14:24] <Islington> thorwil, vish opinions? http://wstaw.org/m/2011/07/21/plasma-desktopax2329.jpg
[14:28] <vish> Islington: the concept is nice, try going with BG color either cheerful/sober.. right now, it seems neither and pale
[14:32] <Islington> hmm k
[14:54] <Islington> vish: I agree it did look a bit too pale: http://wstaw.org/m/2011/07/21/plasma-desktopCg2329.jpg
[15:00] <vish> yup, better


 I faild my test cause i was on #ubuntu
[01:42] <bazhang> now dustmonkey
[01:43] <mneptok>  /lastlog the_cops
[01:43] <bazhang> yep
[01:43] <bazhang> lots of nick changes and nonsense from him
[09:49] <ikonia> bootris is a bot right ?
[09:49] <ikonia> (from yesterday)
[09:58] <Myrtti> pleiades?
[09:58] <ikonia> yes, ]
[09:58] <ikonia> just removed from about 5 other channels
[09:58] <Myrtti> no, different ip
[09:59] <ikonia> same person though
[09:59] <Myrtti> yes.
[10:00] <Myrtti> stalker  : falmot, flazmot, pleiades
[10:00] <ikonia> great
[10:03] <Myrtti> ikonia: gone
[10:03] <ikonia> byeeeeeeeee
[14:37] <ikonia> hello vibhav
[14:38] <vibhav> Can somebofy get ubottu to unignore me? I am getting some problems at #ubuntu-motu
[14:38] <ikonia> how are you having problems ?
[14:38] <vibhav> ikonia: I say a ticket number/url and ubottu doesnt list the name
[14:39] <ikonia> I don't see how that's causing you a problem
[14:39] <ikonia> I've been following your conversation in #ubuntu-motu and it doesn't seem to be causing an issue at all
[14:41] <vibhav> I was listing bugs earlier
[14:41] <ikonia> yes, I saw the conversation
[14:41] <ikonia> not having ubottu flood the channel every time you say a bug number doesn't appear to be causing a problem
[14:41] <vibhav> sigh
[14:41] <vibhav> never mind
[15:54] <tsimpson> ^ the bot wasn't ignoring him, he just typed it in a way the bot doesn't recognise
[15:55] <ikonia> the bot ignores him anyway because he' just tools around with it all the time
[15:55] <tsimpson> I'm not sure the bug tracker ignores in the same way the factoid plugin does
[15:55] <ikonia> ahh, I didn't know that
[15:56] <tsimpson> like I say, I'm not sure ( so I'm looking ;)
[15:59] <tsimpson> I don't think it does ignore in the same way
[16:00] <tsimpson> but that doesn't change that the syntax wasn't what the bot expects, so it wouldn't trigger no matter who said it
[16:00] <tsimpson> in fact, it was repeated after by someone else, and still didn't trigger
[16:03] <ikonia> yup, I see it now
[18:28] <jpds> apparmor in precise: broken (bug #945019)
[21:31] <pangolin> This app sucks, how do I make it work????????????????????????
[21:31] <pangolin> lol
[21:31] <ikonia> no help after 3 years.......wow, that's a long time to be trying to fix skype, ever thought of contacting them ?
[21:32] <pangolin> G+ works OTB
[21:37] <Jordan_U> There clearly seems to be a language barrior with shivam7074 in #ubuntu. I just wonder whether or not English is their first language...
[21:38] <pangolin> it isn't
[21:38] <ikonia> I think so, but there is also clearly a lack of listening
[21:38] <Jordan_U> pangolin: Why do you think that English isn't their first language?
[21:39] <pangolin> I think they are just trying to be thorough and make certain they understand. It's is difficult for new users to believe that they don't need antivirus when they spent years being sold on the idea they do.
[21:39] <pangolin> Jordan_U: sentence structure
[21:41] <Jordan_U> It is a shame that the Ubuntu manual project is not keeping up with releases (or needs to update their web page).
[22:25] <h00k> Jordan_U: feel free to help ;)
[23:32] <ikonia> ignore it


[10:01] <mup> PR snapd#13373 opened: Disable orphan_file feature for ext4 <Created by upils> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13373>
[10:41] <mup> PR snapd#13374 opened: many: skip binaries removal during refresh for RAA UX flow <Created by ZeyadYasser> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13374>
[11:51] <mup> PR snapd#13375 opened: snap/pack: fix pack with integrity unit test on non-Ubuntu <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13375>
[12:16] <mup> PR snapd#13376 opened: snap/squashfs: fix minimum snap size on non-Debian <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13376>
[19:23] <mup> PR snapd#13377 opened: release-tools: fix handling of NEWS.md items <Created by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13377>


[22:19] <Unit193> Aha!  Steve Langasek already handled that, in August.  Gotcha.
[23:37] <ItzSwirlz> sil2100 I'm looking back at stuff and I'm so freaking sorry for forgetting about Bug #1882375. I'm doing verification rn.
[23:37] <ubot3> Bug 1882375 in cinnamon (Ubuntu Focal) "[SRU Patch Available] Cinnamon custom keyboard shortcuts don't work until logout" [Low, Fix Committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1882375


[00:06] <onefallen> Wild_Man I made it Thanks Bud!
[00:07] <Bashing-om> onefallen: :)
[00:08] <krytarik> Oooh!  There we go! \o/
[00:09] <onefallen> I did not see you till just now Bashing-om and Hello to krytarik also ;)
[00:09] <Bashing-om> onefallen: I too just arrived .. see what we are all up to .. and then GO .
[00:11] <onefallen> Yep same here after finding out I could not use 1fallen as a nick! LOL
[00:13] <krytarik> "lfallen" - and nobody will see the diff even! :P
[00:13] <krytarik> Seriously, that's not too bad.. >_>
[00:13] <Bashing-om> onefallen: Them little things that make for such hugh stumbling blocks . Have you gained write access yet ?
[00:15] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Dylan McCall: My tiny home server with Ubuntu Core, Nextcloud and Syncthing @ https://dylanmc.ca//-/blog/2018/05/05/my-tiny-home-server-with-ubuntu-core-nextcloud-and-syncthing/
[00:16] <onefallen> Write access to what? Lead me oh wise one
[00:17] <Bashing-om> onefallen: u had in mind the UWN gdoc working document and the UWN to be wiki .
[00:17] <Bashing-om> I had in mind*
[00:19] <onefallen> @ krytarik yes i don't care about a name but trying to login here with 1fallen was my pitfall
[00:19] <oerheks> Cosmic C*(animal) - https://twitter.com/popey/status/992447533736742915
[00:20] <oerheks> Crocodile, Centipede, C...
[00:21] <onefallen> Bashing-om still trying to get that sorted out for the Wiki>>>ever since I stepped down as Mod I can no longer login to Wiki or LP
[00:21] <krytarik> oerheks: Heh, another blog I see.. >_>
[00:23] <Bashing-om> krytarik: But good ^^ to report .. good 'nuff for "General News " ?
[00:23] <krytarik> Are ye kiddin? :P
[00:24] <onefallen> Dido ^^^
[00:25] <onefallen> I like the reference to Cobra sounds better than camel
[00:26] <krytarik> I mean even OMG Ubuntu only got bothered enough after a few days with no more than the half announced codename to throw out a blog post on it..
[00:27] <oerheks> well, development is in the repos, with a name
[00:27] <Bashing-om> krytarik: as much as I try to keep ip. I was not aware tht (C)animal was just a place holder. Sure others are also unprepared :(
[00:27] <Bashing-om> ip/up*
[00:27] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/cosmic
[00:28] <onefallen> Yep seen that link^^^
[00:30] <Bashing-om> I vetted for ' canny canine ' .. will settle happily for cosmic canine :)
[00:31] <krytarik> Well, while there is still no official announcement of even half the name, and the archive of it hasn't been opened yet either, I guess if we really wanted we could follow the lead of all the blogs and just link to any of them... >_>
[00:32] <onefallen> Yep we did here https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2390886
[00:36] <Wild_Man> hi onefallen
[00:37] <onefallen> Hiya Wild_Man Guys I just got done with a bike race so I'm going to get soom food in me see you all soon :D
[00:38] <Wild_Man> congrats 3rd place is awesome!
[00:38] <onefallen> Opps Some not Soom
[00:38] <onefallen> Thanks no so bad for a old fart (Me)
[00:39] <Wild_Man> not bad for someone half your age
[00:39] <Wild_Man> or 20 even
[00:39] <Bashing-om> onefallen: Or as soon/soom .. as the case may be :)
[00:40] <onefallen> Ha Ha See you all Cheers and Thanks Wild_Man
[00:40] <krytarik> Page closers.. :(
[00:41] <Wild_Man> I was going to post a link and tell him why he can no longer edit wiki pages and how to fixd t
[00:42] <krytarik> (I was kidding there.)
[00:43] <Wild_Man> I am going to send him a pm, I have one from him that I need to reply to anyway
[01:04] <krytarik> ...I think my opinion on this is, wait until 1.) the full release codename is known, and 2.) any official annoucement has been made.  Other than that, at the start of next week, we'll likely see the opening of its archive for development anyway, with an announcement we can refer to.
[01:06] <Bashing-om> That sounds like a winner to me . We wait :)
[01:06] <krytarik> To anyone having brought up the topic actually.
[01:08] <krytarik> Or we could just link to the LP page of the series and write something handmade on it.. >_>
[01:12] <Wild_Man> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/cosmic/
[01:12] <krytarik> No, not that, the other one.
[01:12] <Wild_Man> okay
[01:12] <Wild_Man> I was not sure
[01:12] <krytarik> Well, it's not Launchpad. >_>
[01:13] <Wild_Man> as far as I know the second part of the name is just a guess at this point
[01:13] <krytarik> No, it's nothing yet.
[01:13] <Wild_Man> only this https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/cosmic
[01:15] <krytarik> Wonder if we get the full name within next week already too. >_>
[01:16] <Wild_Man> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20180505/
[01:17] <Wild_Man> it will be old news in a week
[01:20] <Wild_Man> I guess Cosmic CANIMAL is the full name but they are slow at an official announcement
[01:21] <krytarik> Hahaha, see it worked on you too! :P
[01:22] <krytarik> Neither part of the codename was ever spelt in all uppercase - so this is what got me suspicious immediately.
[01:24] <Wild_Man> I see, I try to take things at face value
[01:34] <krytarik> Tbh, the OMG Ubuntu post on it isn't too unfunny written.. >_>
[17:12] <Bashing-om> Start the gdoc's migration to the wiki now ?
[17:13] <krytarik> Could do, yes.
[17:13] <Bashing-om> gonna begin creating the wiki page :)
[17:49] <Bashing-om> gdoc is coppied to the new wiki - issue 526 :) Next who up ?
[17:52] <krytarik> Start doing the data gathering bits?
[17:54] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Sure I can do that - does not matter who does what so long as we keep up with the "order of operations" :P
[17:54] <krytarik> (Leave the updates one to me like last time though.)
[17:55] <Bashing-om> krytarik: I be slow but I will work at it .
[17:56] <krytarik> I mean can of course share the tasks with Wild_Man too - but myself I'd like to meddle less with it to get you two the necessary experience.
[17:58] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Oh most certainly agree .. I work at that learning experience . I just be real slow and careful .
[17:59] <Bashing-om> As only one can be in the wiki at a time .. just falls on who has the time and motivation to get it done .
[18:00] <krytarik> Not quite - like the last time, when I just pasted the stuff I gathered for you to copy into it.
[18:35] <Bashing-om> krytarik: caught up and awaiting :) awaiting too to 'save' .
[18:35] <krytarik> You can save at any time.. :P
[18:37] <Bashing-om> gonna save at this time :) - I feel the better -  and done .
[18:46] <Wild_Man> Looks like you are way ahead of the game
[18:47] <Wild_Man> I would have put it on the wiki tonight but my days are pretty busy at the moment
[18:48] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: I have the time .. and need the practice to make perfect :)
[18:49] <Wild_Man> Okay, I just do not want you to feel like you have to do it all, thanks! :)
[18:50] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: I have a hard day outside tomorrow so will be late before I can re-focus on UWN .
[18:53] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Any heart-burn if I go ahead and add the images to the wiki page at this time ?
[18:57] <krytarik> No, of course not - just like the last time.  And sorry, busy with other things right now (scripting..), gonna have a look at what you got there yet a bit later.
[18:57] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, imo no need to wait on that and we need to also remove the sections we are not going to use, I can do that if you want me too/
[18:59] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: I was going wait to remove the comments and such until we were sure all additionas were complete.
[19:00] <Wild_Man> they are we do not need to add anything else this late, yesterday was the deadline
[19:06] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Ya want to do the " Ubuntu Forums Top 5 Threads " prior to removing comments and remove the unused sections ?
[19:17] <Wild_Man> Yes I will do it
[19:29] <Wild_Man> krytarik, I can not find where we talked about the criteria you used to get the links from the forum when you do the search, I have looked through my logs, can you post it here and I will paste it to my file for future reference? Thanks! I have to run out for a little bit but not long
[19:34] <krytarik> Wild_Man: It's all in the comments on the section - when you just visit the link posted there, it'll already have set the right search criteria.
[20:05] <krytarik> Bashing-om: So I just a first quick look at the page - if you'd like to drop the comments and unused sections, then I'd do the 1.) forums section, 2.) updates section as promised, 3.) fix all things still left, and 4.) post the end result plus diff for you.
[20:06] <Bashing-om> krytarik: more than willing but Wild_Man has said he would do .
[20:09] <krytarik> Well, the one who gets to it first, has the lock..
[20:12] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Wild_Man :: I have the time .. and will remove comments at this time :)
[20:30] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Remind me again. how do I populate the "In this Issue" section ?
[20:32] <krytarik> "./summary.pl 526"
[20:32] <krytarik> Oh, "summary-uwn.pl" actually.
[20:35] <krytarik> Doing the forums one right now.
[20:37] <Bashing-om> krytarik: i did try the foeum one, Do not inderstand what I am looking at - my result was 10 pages of posts .
[20:40] <krytarik> http://paste.openstack.org/show/PGFlDTnuR3MwPJjUcMfp/
[20:40] <krytarik> Yes, that's also covered by the comment.
[20:42] <Bashing-om> sorry for denseness. do not get how to get how to do the forum top posts :( . awaiting the complete wiki beforing ruuning summary-uwn.pl .
[20:44] <krytarik> Well, once you have dropped the unused sections (and subsections like the Ubuntu membership one), you can actually already run the summary script.
[20:55] <Bashing-om> Nothing for "Weekly Ubuntu Development Team Meetings" right ? So I can remove that section from the wiki page ?
[20:56] <krytarik> Yup.  Yup.
[21:00] <Bashing-om> krytarik: K; awaiting Updates and Security pasteings .
[21:00] <krytarik> http://paste.openstack.org/raw/W1J9YcgTDFLRQGEuB8WI/
[21:04] <onefallen> Bashing-om I have some links if you want them for Cosmic
[21:05] <onefallen> but not for  "Team Meetings"
[21:06] <krytarik> Well, this week is already done anyway - whatever you mean by "some links"
[21:07] <onefallen> for on example: https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/ubuntu-mate-18-10-dropping-i386-images/16715?u=wimpy
[21:08] <krytarik> Well, we've already got a post on that.
[21:08] <onefallen> still geeting my sea legs here how about: https://fossbytes.com/ubuntu-18-10-features-release-date-download/
[21:10] <Bashing-om> krytarik: updates section done . now back to the forum top posts . Still do not get it ! I can be dumber than a box of rocks :P
[21:10] <onefallen> one more if it is usefull https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/05/ubuntu-18-10-codename
[21:11] <Bashing-om> onefallen: We have passed on that one also .. will await the final to report :)
[21:11] <krytarik> Bashing-om: The missing space in "67575(+190)" and some occurrences of camelcase not being covered yet are further things I've immediately spotted - if you wanna fix those already too.. :)
[21:12] <Bashing-om> krytarik: on ot .. for the space and CamelCases .
[21:12] <krytarik> Bashing-om: And well, I've also already pasted the forums stuff above.
[21:13] <onefallen> krytarik tell me what would make me usefull here>>>Tell the new kid what I can add as far as Summaries
[21:14] <Bashing-om> thunder here .. I may loose power . looking at the radar next .
[21:14] <krytarik> onefallen: Well, right now just hold off until the new week with another issue starts. :)
[21:15] <Wild_Man> I am back for a few minutes then have to eat and will be back
[21:15] <onefallen> Sounds Good
[21:15] <Wild_Man> hello onefallen
[21:15] <Wild_Man> can you still log into the forum?
[21:16] <krytarik> Wild_Man: I think we've got it all covered (did forums myself) or will have shortly.
[21:16] <onefallen> Hello Wild_Man I was able to login to UF with Old Acoount still.
[21:16] <Wild_Man> what about new account?
[21:17] <Wild_Man> the old account is disabled so I do not think you can post from it
[21:17] <onefallen> Ha! Don't want to push that yet>>but it lets me in to LP (New Account)
[21:18] <krytarik> onefallen: https://fossbytes.com/ubuntu-18-10-features-release-date-download/ - we already got that covered too.
[21:18] <Wild_Man> okay will if you have an issue let me know and we will work it out that I have access too, did you apply to join the wiki team I sent you the link to yet?
[21:19] <onefallen> the old account is disabled>>not the email used with 1fallen
[21:19] <Wild_Man> ok, I can disable the email if you want to reuse that email address
[21:19] <onefallen> @krytarik Good to here just making sure
[21:20] <onefallen> No don't disable that email please!
[21:20] <krytarik> onefallen: The only thing that isn't covered yet and won't be until there is a full codename announced is... that.
[21:22] <onefallen> Ok krytarik if I see any news I will add it here then, if not alrerady done
[21:22] <krytarik> Yeah, I believe everyone will pretty soon know of it then.. :D
[21:23] <Wild_Man> onefallen, did you apply to join the wiki team I sent you the link to yet?
[21:23] <onefallen> Yes i did WILD_maN
[21:24] <Wild_Man> Okay!
[21:24] <onefallen> OMG I hate this keyboard
[21:35] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Caught up. can I now run the summary-uwn.pl script while I am in editing mode in the wiki ?
[21:37] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Going over my head again is the "This gets added right before you publish bullet points of table of contents" .
[21:40] <krytarik> Well, if you wanna copy the page content to a local file and pass that to the script instead, then yes.  Otherwise it can only get the currently published state of the page, of course.
[21:45] <krytarik> Oh also, like I said the last time, feel free to add instructions on using the script to the comment on the summary section in the template.
[21:46] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Will wait and do the "table of contents" . can I run the summary-uwn.pl script while I am still in editing mode in the wiki ?
[21:46] <krytarik> See above.
[21:46] <krytarik> Otherwise yes.
[21:47] <Bashing-om> krytarik: If I understood what I was doing, I would not be such and ass .
[21:47] <krytarik> I.e. you have to save it first, but then it doesn't matter if you still linger in the editor.
[21:48] <Bashing-om> K
[21:56] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Nope, do not know what I am doing. I copied the table of contents to local file as "toc526' and ran ' ./summary-uwn.pl /home/sysop/work/toc526 ' . I did not see any result (??) .
[21:58] <krytarik> Well, yoo have to copy the plain text of the whole page - i.e. ctrl+a → ctrl+c from the editor.
[21:59] <krytarik> Yooo! :D
[22:02] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Oh ! .. try'n once more :)
[22:09] <Bashing-om> krytarik: I do not see any result . ctl+a - ctl+c ( the entire wiki edit ) - paste to local file and ran "./summary-uwn.pl /home/sysop/work/toc526
[22:09] <Bashing-om> " . What am I missing ?
[22:10] <krytarik> Well, that should be it..
[22:11] <krytarik> Care to "pastebinit /home/sysop/work/toc526" just for fun?
[22:12] <Bashing-om> krytarik: http://termbin.com/fgbd
[22:12] <krytarik> "LOL"
[22:13] <Bashing-om> I say again .. I do not know what I am doing :P
[22:14] <krytarik> (You didn't copy the whole page as explained, but again just the generated ToC.)
[22:15] <krytarik> "i.e. ctrl+a → ctrl+c from the editor" - notice the bit about the editor too.
[22:15] <Wild_Man> http://paste.openstack.org/show/720445/
[22:17] <krytarik> Bashing-om: The above can only be based on the currently published state of the page, of course - so if you got any changes still pending...
[22:22] <krytarik> You forgot to drop the security updates in too btw.  And some minor formatting issues also.
[22:22] <Bashing-om> krytarik: The only change I am currently aware of is to remove "WORK IN PROGRESS" - If we all agree we are done .
[22:23] <krytarik> So you saved all of your changes yet?
[22:28] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Yup - saved now .
[22:29] <Bashing-om> we need to verify all links ?
[22:29] <krytarik> Naw.
[22:30] <Bashing-om> Agreed links are good .. we all done ?
[22:30] <krytarik> Naw.
[22:30] <krytarik> (Hold on.)
[22:35] <krytarik> "Ask (and answer!) questions at: https://askubuntu.com/" - oooh, we could add something similar for the forums subsection too!
[22:36] <krytarik> (You two feel free to come up with a proper (different) wording.)
[22:37] <Bashing-om> krytarik: I try abd see what I can come up with .. a CamelCase in the "LoCo News" where loco is not comming clean for me .
[22:41] <krytarik> Yeah, I see that now too - fixing here along with the rest.
[22:44] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: askubuntu.com/ - ubuntu forums . How about " A place to ask and contains answers to your ubuntu questions."
[22:50] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, are you shooting for one heading for ask ubuntu and the forums? instead of a heading for each?
[22:51] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: re-writting " Ask (and answer!) questions at: https://askubuntu.com/" .
[22:53] <krytarik> I swear, Ko Ko Ye` is just about to lose his backtick! :P
[22:53] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, FTR Asked and Answered is the same heading ask ubuntu uses in the own news letter it may be that way for conformity
[22:54] <Wild_Man> LOL
[22:55] <krytarik> Wild_Man: No, I suggested we have something similar for the forums section.
[22:56] <Bashing-om> krytarik: I tried Ko Ko Ye 's lo``co three times in different ways and could not get loco clean :(
[22:56] <krytarik> Bashing-om: Well, I indicated you should hold on..
[22:56] <Wild_Man> krytarik, it is likely the threads we find using the search terms will have replies yes but may not have the correct answer, so I do not recommend asked and answered
[22:57] <krytarik> Well, the same is true for AU too.
[22:59] <Wild_Man> Really? thought we only published there solved questions
[23:00] <Wild_Man> If you are not concerned with the heading being descriptive necessarily then it works, I do not mind either way
[23:03] <krytarik> Fwiw, that's not a heading in either case - it's mainly just to link to the respective venue.
[23:03] <krytarik> (And below the lists.)
[23:11] <krytarik> Ok, byebye trailing backtick...
[23:12] <krytarik> (I already tried to make it show literal backticks before, and it didn't work out then either..)
[23:22] <krytarik> Bashing-om: Full text: http://paste.openstack.org/raw/jDAOBl6Wo3VLOJ87wu4r/ , diff: http://paste.openstack.org/show/qfvaLKGmX9wumtysPZ1y/
[23:23] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Leave the trailing link for the forum also as " Ask (and answer!) questions at: https://ubuntuforums.org/ " . Seems good to me .
[23:23] <krytarik> Like I said, it shouldn't be literally the same wording..
[23:24] <krytarik> guiverc_d: o/
[23:24] <guiverc> g'day krytarik
[23:27] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: A place of ubuntu information: https://ubuntuforums.org/
[23:28] <Wild_Man> Search solved questions at https://ubuntuforums.org/
[23:28] <Wild_Man> I am pondering on it
[23:29] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Seek amd ye shall find : https://ubuntuforums.org/
[23:29] <krytarik> Or we reword the other a little too.
[23:30] <krytarik> Or we just drop the other too and be done! :P
[23:30] <Wild_Man> Search already answered questions https://ubuntuforums.org/
[23:30] <Bashing-om> krytarik: naw .. let's keep the AU link .. and come up with one for the forum .
[23:30] <Wild_Man> Search already answered questions or ask your own https://ubuntuforums.org/
[23:31] <Wild_Man> That works for me
[23:31] <krytarik> Wild_Man: But what if I got a totally new one? :'(
[23:31] <Wild_Man> krytarik, ^^^
[23:32] <krytarik> I mean already answered is fine, but...
[23:34] <Wild_Man> krytarik, did you see this? I posted it right after I realized it may bed better like this Search already answered questions or ask your own https://ubuntuforums.org/
[23:35] <krytarik> Oh, overlooked the "own" indeed..
[23:35] <Wild_Man> it was an after thought , I think about the same time you thought it
[23:36] <krytarik> But still nah...
[23:39] <Bashing-om> Ask, find & tutorials: https://ubuntuforums.org/
[23:47] <krytarik> How about: AU) "Find more questions or ask ones at: ...", forums) "Find more threads and start new ones at: ..."
[23:47] <krytarik> Erm, "or", "and"..
[23:48] <krytarik> I would go with "or" for both.
[23:49] <krytarik> I mean it's boring as heck, but..
[23:52] <krytarik> Bashing-om: Rather than applying my changes on the page individually, like previously just copy and paste the full text I posted too.
[23:53] <Bashing-om> krytarik: K' looking .
[23:54] <krytarik> Oh, or this wasn't based on my pastes at all yet.. :)


[01:21] <jbg> beantaxi: i think most people use a template engine for that, e.g. i set the cloud-config from terraform and use its yamlencode() function to build it from values coming from elsewhere
[10:35] <ExeciN> Hi people. I'm using this as my preseed/config https://pastebin.mozilla.org/UFJ9FpD8/raw along with ubuntu server 22.04.1 installer. Then it goes up to a point where the TUI installer is shown and an error about cloud-init timing out after 10 mins is shown.
[10:35] <ExeciN> I tried looking around /var/log/cloud-init.* but I couldn't find out what the issue was.
[10:37] <ExeciN> does my preseed look ok (if you ignore the scrubbed parts)?
[10:40] <ExeciN> ok I checked the kernel logs and the issue might be that cloud-init gets killed because the system runs out of memory.
[14:50] <blackboxsw> holman: does this make sense for your upstream 22.3.1 branch. That we typically close it as far as policy and let you push the annotated tag? https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/1714#pullrequestreview-1094991261
[14:55] <blackboxsw> ExeciN: yeah the system running out of memory would probably be the issue there. In the failed system you can run `cloud-init analyze show` `cloud-init analyze blame` and related systemd-analyze type commands from https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/faq.html#failing-to-complete-on-systemd to better understand what might be blocking cloud-init.
[15:00] <holman> @blackboxsw: No problem at all. Works for me.
[16:58] <blackboxsw> cjp256: you are probably already testing as I saw a rebase run, but I wanted to confirm I think the only thing that needs to change on your PR 1672 is this https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/1672#discussion_r959113216
[16:59] <blackboxsw> if agreeable on that point, we can merge that PR.
[17:00] <cjp256> i was also gonna switch to distro, I looked at it again and realized I can use the same interface via distro as you wanted
[17:01] <cjp256> do you know if the macs are provided in the same format for non-Linux OS (BSD)?
[17:02] <cjp256> i was taking a conservative approach because I wasn't sure for all cases
[17:44] <blackboxsw> cjp256: meh .hrm not sure if BSD can rely on get_interfaces() call. Adding a comment about that on the PR
[17:55] <blackboxsw> and even a FreeBSD-aware get_interfaces_by_mac_on_freebsd(blacklist_drivers=None)   doesn't actually honor blacklist_drivers param anyway https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/blob/main/cloudinit/net/__init__.py#L938-L951
[19:36] <cjp256> blackboxsw: yeah, and i figure the driver names used wouldn't be relevant anyways


[00:05] <fishscene> ping, rye
[00:11] <rye> fishscene, we found why the web interface does not work for you, i have filed a bug for this; I am reading your ticket now
[00:12] <fishscene> Was it that server in the cluster?
[00:12] <fishscene> err. nvm. But great! Glad to see things moving along :)
[00:12] <rye> fishscene, the server fails to properly check for the nested email address nodes and assumes the emails to be available even if that is only an empty list
[00:13] <rye> fishscene, what provider was used initially to store your contacts? Was that Google backend or the internal phone storage?
[00:14] <fishscene> All my contact data initially was pulled from Google, sync'd to the phone, and then sync'd to ubuntu one.
[00:16] <rye> fishscene, ok, could you please visit your google contacts via gmail?
[00:16] <fishscene> yup. They all seem intact
[00:16] <rye> fishscene, so the changes to the contacts did not propagate back to google?
[00:17]  * rye is wondering
[00:17] <fishscene> It would appear so. I'm not sure if it is set to propogate changes to the server though
[00:17] <fishscene> You see, I wanted everything sync'd by one application and I chose Ubuntu one.
[00:18] <fishscene> So I think I initially sync'd everything over, and then disabled syncing.
[00:18] <fishscene> no wait. hold on. It is reporting sync error's with gmail... apparently I didn't disable it
[00:19] <rye> fishscene, I want to check what state the addressbook in, could you please open the addressbook, click menu, select accounts
[00:19] <fishscene> Error message for gmail: "Sync is currently experiencing problems. It will be back shortly."
[00:19] <rye> fishscene, correction, "Display options", not "Accounts"
[00:20] <fishscene> Is there an equivelant application on Android/Nexus S for "Address book"? I don't think I have that.
[00:20] <fishscene> I have a contacts list
[00:20] <rye> fishscene, well, Dialer or "Contacts"
[00:21] <fishscene> ok gotchya. I'm there.
[00:21] <rye> fishscene, do you see the entry for funambol account contact source?
[00:22] <rye> fishscene, it should have your user id digits
[00:22] <rye> as the name
[00:22] <fishscene> I have gmail, my work e-mail, and my and facebook. (I'm assuming these are the contacts sources?)
[00:23] <rye> hmmm
[00:23] <fishscene> am I looking in the right place?
[00:24] <rye> fishscene, what do you mean by "my" there ^ (I have an android device but it is not Nexus but is running pretty close build to default one)
[00:25] <rye> fishscene, another question - a level ip, then "Accounts" - are there any funambol accounts (or with Ubuntu-One styled "@" icon)
[00:25] <rye> level ip
[00:25] <rye> level up
[00:26] <fishscene> Under display options, I have the following items on the screen: "ONly Contacts with phones (only display contacts that have phone numbers", "Sort list by..", "View Contact names as", and "Choose contacts to display" and a list of 3 of my accounts underneath. In "Accounts" I only have my 3 accounts listed there and all are green for "sync is on". I can not find "funambol" or any @'s anywhere in the two menu's "Display options" or "Accounts"
[00:27] <fishscene> Interestingly, facebook is the only account that is syncing properly, the other two are gmail-related accounts and sync'ing isn't working correctly
[00:28] <rye> fishscene, okay, this is weird. I believe I will need to postpone this for 9 hours and get back to you via the ticket with the conversion script
[00:28] <fishscene> oh, one last thing. I'm running the vanilla android. I haven't rooted it or anything.
[00:29] <rye> fishscene, ... which is strange, since facebook is the one who should be experiencing the issues, since google has disabled funambol sync for later releases... and gmail/google contacts are supposed to be syncing w/o any issues
[00:29] <fishscene> Such is my life.
[00:29]  * fishscene chuckles
[00:29] <rye> fishscene, anyway, we have found a bug on the server side and if patch goes before tomorrow server upgrade then it will be fixed, unless there are more irregularities.
[00:30] <fishscene> sweeet
[00:30] <fishscene> Was that a heck of a coincidence in timing, or do you upgrade every other week? :P
[00:30] <rye> fishscene, you know, I think you'll want to install alogcat application from android market or run adb logcat from the terminal with android SD installed during attempt to sync google contacts, it should provide at least some info about why it is failing
[00:31] <fishscene> hmm
[00:31] <rye> fishscene, tuesday is the release day and some special rollouts are happening on thursdays
[00:32] <fishscene> I have alogcat now. I'll see if I can fiddle with it and see what's going on in further detail.
[00:33] <rye> fishscene, ok, and I will finally create a script that exports vcards from ubuntuone databases, since it seems to be needed sometimes
[00:34] <rye> so I am at the end of day and see you all in 8...9 hours!
[00:34] <fishscene> TTYL mate. Thanks again!
[00:35] <rye> fishscene, you are very welcome, sorry for taking so long but there are more unknowns than I was prepared to hack with
[00:35] <fishscene> LOL.
[08:29] <mandel> morning all!
[08:53] <mandel> eco
[08:53] <mandel> eoc
[09:11] <fagan> morning
[09:11] <fagan> mandel: so task or are we still on the friday thing
[09:12] <mandel> fagan: did you do the last things I mentioned from yesterday
[09:13] <mandel> ?
[09:14] <fagan> mandel: I cant remember
[09:14]  * fagan checks the logs
[09:16] <fagan> ah passing the values to the constructor instead
[09:16] <fagan> that shouldnt take too long
[09:17] <mandel> cool, let me know when done :)
[09:22] <fagan> mandel: done
[09:22] <fagan> and tested
[09:25] <fagan> (and pushed too)
[09:28] <mandel> ok, on it, give me a min or so, I need to write some docs :(
[09:28] <fagan> hah
[09:28] <fagan> mandel: I thought you would have had that from yesterday
[09:31] <mandel> fagan: have had what? the docs?
[09:31] <mandel> this is for the compilation of the sso port into a .exe, I just managed to do it :)
[09:31] <mandel> fagan: can you remind be the branch please
[09:32] <fagan> mandel: oh by docs I thought you meant the task or something
[09:32] <fagan> lp:~shanepatrickfagan/+junk/string_list
[09:36] <mandel> fagan: nono, I've got yours, dont worry :)
[09:36] <fagan> I dont know I think im almost up to speed now
[09:37] <fagan> other than me reading the api docs properly :P
[09:37] <mandel> fagan: why is list_type a class variable?
[09:38] <fagan> mandel: well I need to access it in a few places so it was easier to make it a class level var
[09:38] <fagan> I suppose now that im passing it to the constructor I dont need that
[09:39] <mandel> fagan: exactly
[09:40] <mandel> fagan: also, you remember de \ in those statements that are between (), so can you remove the unnecessary ones
[09:41] <fagan> mandel: thats just to break up the really long lines
[09:41] <mandel> fagan: I know, but you do not need the \
[09:42] <mandel> fagan: when you are splitting a statement with () you can open in a line and close is a diff one without the need of \
[09:42] <mandel> like:
[09:42] <mandel> 1: long_method(
[09:42] <mandel> 2:         blah, blah)
[09:42] <fagan> oh yeah
[09:42] <mandel> no need to add the \, is just noise
[09:42]  * fagan forgot to do that
[09:43] <mandel> fagan: also, what happens if a user of your dialog passes a None as the list?
[09:44] <mandel> fagan: and remember what we talk about connecting the sort signal directly?
[09:45] <fagan> mandel: well if they put in nothing and hit ok it adds it
[09:46] <fagan> I should probably check what happens there
[09:47] <mandel> fagan: and in the constructor?
[09:49] <mandel> fagan: there are two input you need to validate, the user input from the UI, an empty string might be an issue, and the one in the constructor, if you pass None as the list something bad happens atm
[09:49] <fagan> mandel: oh ok
[09:53] <fagan> mandel: when I swap out the sort I get this http://paste.ubuntu.com/589592/
[09:54] <rye> mornings
[09:54] <fagan> morning rye
[09:54] <rye> okay, evolution, i marked 100 messages for removal, you decided to re-check the mail and dropped the deleted property, THANKS!
[09:55] <fagan> fixed
[09:55] <fagan> rye: evo sticks them into trash though
[09:56] <mandel> fagan: was that fixed intended to me?
[09:56] <rye> fagan, as in the separate trash folder?
[09:56] <fagan> mandel: yep
[09:57] <mandel> fagan: so you fixed the connect issue then, right?
[09:57] <fagan> rye: it has a trash folder it doesnt actually remove until you hit empty trash
[09:57] <fagan> mandel: yep
[09:57] <fagan> im going to valadate the input now
[10:00] <fagan> mandel: I tried using "" and None but its still adding it to the list
[10:01] <fagan> for the add bit
[10:01] <mandel> fagan: what exactly are you doing?
[10:02] <fagan> oh I fixed it
[10:02] <fagan> I needed to put a space in
[10:02] <fagan> mandel: making sure there is a string before adding it
[10:03] <fagan> nope still adding
[10:03] <fagan> :/
[10:04] <mandel> fagan: can you pastebin the full method so that I can take a look
[10:04] <mandel> ???
[10:05] <fagan> fixed it now
[10:05] <fagan> I used len(text) != 0
[10:05] <fagan> it worked
[10:05] <fagan> mandel: done
[10:06] <mandel> fagan: that is not very nice is it?
[10:06] <fagan> mandel: well I changed it to is not
[10:06] <fagan> but I couldnt do the string comparison since it didnt work
[10:07] <mandel> fagan: what happens in python if you do:
[10:07] <mandel> if '':
[10:07] <mandel> or if None:
[10:07] <fagan> mandel: it adds it
[10:07] <fagan> which isnt what I wanted to happen
[10:07] <mandel> fagan: why o you think that is happening?
[10:08] <fagan> mandel: because its returning something else
[10:09] <mandel> fagan: try to debug it to see what is going on, maybe you discover something interesting
[10:09] <fagan> mandel: sure
[10:12] <fagan> mandel: if I used unicode(text) is not '' would that work?
[10:13] <fagan> Its a QString so it may be an object id say thats why its not working with the regular '' or the None
[10:14] <fagan> nope still doesnt work
[10:14] <mandel> well, if you do if QString(''): it works
[10:14] <mandel> I just tested it
[10:15] <mandel> fagan: ^
[10:15] <mandel> there must be something else
[10:15] <fagan> ah ok
[10:15] <fagan> that seems to be the best way of doing it
[10:15] <mandel> what do you mean?
[10:16] <fagan> mandel: well if that works it would be fine to use
[10:16] <fagan> thats what I mean
[10:16] <mandel> I'm just saying that is you pass an empty QString to bool() which is what that if '' does it works as expected
[10:16] <mandel> so, it is not because it is an empty QString
[10:17] <fagan> ah ok
[10:17] <fagan> I dont know then
[10:18] <fagan> All I know is len(text) works but nothing else that I tried seems to work
[10:18] <fagan> it is a QString I checked the type so maybe there is something weird going on
[10:24] <fagan> no matter its working you need to do another review or can we move on?
[10:25] <mandel> fagan: can I see the code you used, because for me, the if works as expected
[10:25] <mandel> I wanna know why in your case is not
[10:26] <fagan> mandel: it was just if ok and text is not '':
[10:26] <fagan> and the second one was if ok and text is not None:
[10:26] <mandel> fagan: well, there you have the issue
[10:26] <mandel> try: if ok and text
[10:27] <fagan> mandel: ok
[10:27] <mandel> fagan: d then tell me why do you thin your attempts did not work
[10:27] <fagan> ah works
[10:28] <fagan> I really dont know
[10:28] <fagan> if I did I would have fixed it :)
[10:30] <fagan> mandel: I have a feeling if I went if ok and (text is not '') it could have worked
[10:30] <mandel> fagan: ok, lets think about it, you know as a fact that you are getting a QString(''), right?
[10:31] <fagan> yep
[10:31] <mandel> then, would you say that QString('') is str('')?
[10:31] <fagan> mandel: no?
[10:32] <fagan> there must be some difference otherwise they would have just used str('')
[10:32] <mandel> fagan: they are not the same guy, one is a str and the other is a QString
[10:32] <mandel> they are diff types, therefore, not the same guy
[10:32] <mandel> right?
[10:32] <fagan> yep
[10:33] <mandel> ok, know what do you say about this QString('') == None
[10:33] <mandel> that is not correct, right, I mean we do have something, a QString, right?
[10:34] <fagan> mandel: well it would be a QString('') so it is an object
[10:34] <fagan> so its not None
[10:34] <mandel> exactly!
[10:34] <mandel> and one last thing, what do you thing python does with this:
[10:34] <mandel> if QString(''):
[10:34] <mandel> or for that matter:
[10:34] <mandel> if any_object
[10:35] <fagan> mandel: well it would check with the object if its true or false?
[10:36] <mandel> fagan: yes, but how does it do that? if I ask you to tell if me if an object is true or false, what would you do?
[10:36] <fagan> mandel: check the object's data and see if it has it or not
[10:37] <fagan> if it doesnt then its false if it does its true
[10:37] <fagan> (python does do some things like C and this is probably one of them)
[10:38] <mandel> fagan: can you write a small script to do that?
[10:38] <fagan> mandel: to check if an object has data or not?
[10:38] <mandel> fagan: hint: it can be done without if statements and in a single line
[10:38] <mandel> fagan: to check i it is tru or not
[10:40] <fagan> mandel: is it getattr() ?
[10:43] <mandel> fagan: no
[10:43]  * fagan googles
[10:46] <fagan> mandel: '' in text
[10:46] <fagan> ubuntu forums saves the day
[10:47] <fagan> I tried it and it works too
[10:48] <mandel> fagan: I'm not looking for that, I'd like to see it for any object type
[10:48] <mandel> that inherits from object
[10:52] <fagan> mandel: bool("")
[10:52] <fagan> or bool(text)
[10:52] <mandel> bingo :)
[10:52] <mandel>  so, everytime that you do a if some_object
[10:53] <fagan> didnt even need google for that
[10:53] <mandel> it gets expanded to if bool(something)
[10:53] <fagan> ah ok
[10:54] <mandel> fagan: I think we can move on to the next one
[10:54] <mandel> give me a sec
[10:54] <fagan> finally
[10:54] <fagan> :)
[10:57]  * fagan makes tea
[11:03] <mandel> fagan: there you go: http://paste.ubuntu.com/589620/
[11:03]  * fagan back
[11:04] <karni> hi guys
[11:04] <fagan> mandel: I know right now that im not going to like this
[11:04] <fagan> karni: hey
[11:04] <karni> fagan: hi there \o
[11:05] <mandel> fagan: well, he have moved up one level, now you are in the intermediate one :)
[11:06] <karni> @ping
[11:06] <ubot4> pong
[11:06] <fagan> mandel: but do I need QPainter for the installer's screens?
[11:07] <mandel> fagan: well, this is a Qt course, so the idea is to make you good a Qt, I dont know if we will need it
[11:07] <mandel> we might do some custom widget
[11:07]  * fagan hates doing graphics stuff
[11:36]  * fagan break
[12:30]  * fagan back
[12:31] <fagan> (im reading the api docs not writing code yet mandel)
[12:39] <mandel> fagan: nothing wrong with that at all
[12:39]  * mandel walking dog
[13:11] <CardinalFang> fagan, hi.  Do you mind testing the version of desktopcouch in our nightlies PPA to see if it fixes the problem you saw yesterday?
[13:11] <CardinalFang> ppa:ubuntuone/nightlies
[13:12] <fagan> CardinalFang: ill give it a go I dont know exactly how I triggered it the first time
[13:13] <fagan> but I can try
[13:13] <nessita> good morning everyone!
[13:13] <fagan> hey nessita
[13:14] <nessita> hey fagan
[13:16] <CardinalFang> fagan, you might need to "killall beam beam.smp desktopcouch-service" after you stop programs that are using it.
[13:16] <CardinalFang> fagan, I don't know what state things could be in after that error.
[13:17] <fagan> I was able to reproduce it
[13:17] <fagan> CardinalFang: I just had to remove desktop couch and try install it again while syncing
[13:24] <nessita> can I have a second review for https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntuone-control-panel/better-path-handling/+merge/56264 ?
[13:25] <CardinalFang> fagan, what version of desktopcouch is that?
[13:26] <fagan> CardinalFang: the repo version
[13:26] <fagan> give me a sec and ill check the nightly one
[13:28] <CardinalFang> fagan, I'm pleased you reproduced it so quickly.  If you can't see it happen with the nightly, it will give me confidence in my change.
[13:29] <fagan> CardinalFang: sure I have a crap load of updates so its taking a sec
[13:33] <fagan> Oh and I have a little bit of a bug report too
[13:33] <fagan> On the computer im syncing from I dont want to get a notification about a new cloud folder being available
[13:35] <alecu_> mandel, hi!
[13:35] <fagan> CardinalFang: Hate to say it but I just got it in the nightly
[13:36] <fagan> assertion error right?
[13:36] <fagan> Or maybe I had to restart the cp first
[13:36] <fagan> give me a sec
[13:38]  * rye 's bip host is down, rebuilding libvirt to bring it up... serial ports are really carefully guarded by apparmor in libvirt - bug#578527
[13:40] <fagan> CardinalFang: ok not getting it now
[13:40] <fagan> good
[13:42] <nessita> thisfred: https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntuone-control-panel/better-path-handling/+merge/56264
[13:42] <nessita> thanks!
[13:58] <mandel> alecu_: hello, sorry I was away walking th edog
[13:59] <alecu_> mandel, no prob. Did you see the fixes I requested on my last review?
[13:59] <mandel> alecu_: I dont think so, can you let me know the merge url again?
[13:59] <alecu_> mandel, since they were "trivial" I approved anyway
[13:59] <alecu_> mandel, windows_3 or something, let me check.
[13:59] <mandel> alecu_: oh, cool, let me see
[13:59] <mandel> I though it was related to one of your branches
[13:59] <alecu_> mandel, https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntu-sso-client/windows_ui_3/+merge/55561
[14:00] <mandel> alecu_: I can fix them, np, thanks for taking the time :)
[14:00] <mandel> alecu_: I'll fix them right now
[14:06] <fagan> Still no standups?
[14:11] <fagan> mandel: the pyqt book isnt too great for the painter stuff
[14:11] <fagan> the api is a lot better
[14:12] <mandel> fagan: I dont think we will have standups this week at all, and next week I'd be surprise if we are doing them since we have a sprint too
[14:13] <fagan> mandel: I kinda miss having to go over what im doing
[14:13] <ralsina> hello people.
[14:13] <fagan> hey ralsina
[14:13] <ralsina> Sorry I am late, but A FREAKING TRAIN DERAILED
[14:13] <fagan> what?
[14:14] <CardinalFang> Hardware problems suck.
[14:14] <fagan> CardinalFang: I commented on that bug confirming that its fixed on my machine
[14:14] <CardinalFang> fagan, high five!
[14:15] <fagan> CardinalFang: I thought it wasnt for a sec but I just had to kill everything and restart them and it worked
[14:15] <alecu_> fagan, go!
[14:16] <mandel> ralsina: I told you to sit down in the middle, otherwise you make the trail tilt and this things happen ;)
[14:16] <ralsina> mandel: not my train, but the train ahead of mine
[14:16] <fagan> alecu_: thats harsh :)
[14:16] <alecu_> hahahha
[14:17] <alecu_> fagan, "go" as in "say your standup lines"
[14:17] <fagan> alecu_: yeah I know what you meant I just prefered to take it the other way because it was funnier
[14:17] <alecu_> hahaha, it is
[14:40]  * mandel hates merge conflicts...
[14:43] <alecu__> dobey, I have a question about this bit: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/589687/
[14:44] <alecu__> dobey, just understood it, never mind.
[14:52] <alecu__> dobey, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/589696/
[14:52] <CardinalFang> thisfred, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~cmiller/desktopcouch/lp530322/+merge/56363
[14:53] <dobey> alecu__: libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-dev and libgstreamer0.10-dev
[14:55] <alecu__> it worked, thanks.
[15:04] <thisfred> mandel, I would like to reproduce https://bugs.launchpad.net/desktopcouch/+bug/737120, but I have no idea how
[15:04] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 737120 in desktopcouch "AttributeError: 'bool' object has no attribute 'head' (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[15:06] <mandel> thisfred: that was happening in my natty laptop, so if you give me some mins to finish what I'm doing I'll boot it and will test if it occurs in the current beta, is that ok?
[15:07] <thisfred> mandel: sure. I just wondered when it happened
[15:08] <mandel> thisfred: it happened when I was trying to create a new database, it looked like the service crashed, tried to reconnect and got that error
[15:08] <thisfred> I think you created the database in the wrong way
[15:08] <mandel> ein?
[15:09] <thisfred> mandel: did your code look anything like: Database(name, True) ?
[15:09] <mandel> thisfred: it is: DesktopDatabase('test', create=True)
[15:09] <thisfred> I'm betting you left off the create
[15:10] <thisfred> 5 beer, I'm betting
[15:10] <mandel> thisfred: hmm it could have happened.. I was on the terminal, so maybe I did not type create...
[15:10] <mandel> thisfred: have the args param changed?
[15:11] <thisfred> Not sure, I don't think create was ever the second argument though.\
[15:11] <thisfred> anyhow, marking as invalid, if you can reproduce it with the code you pasted above, I'll reopen it
[15:14] <mandel> thisfred: I'll give it a try in a few mins
[15:14] <thisfred> thx
[15:14] <alecu__> dobey, branch approved, and filled bug #751441
[15:14] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 751441 in libubuntuone "Fails when cancelling the second password prompt (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/751441
[15:14]  * fagan is still trying to make sense of the QPainter stuff
[16:12] <rodrigo_> rye, so did you test the evo-couchdb package?
[16:22] <mandel> dobey: ping
[16:26] <rye> rodrigo_, well, it tested it and it was working well, now i removed it and reinstalled and can't get it to work
[16:26] <dobey> mandel: hi
[16:26] <rodrigo_> rye, any output on e-addressbook-factory?
[16:26] <mandel> dobey: hello :)
[16:26] <mandel> dobey: are you very busy atm?
[16:26] <dobey> mandel: always. what's up?
[16:27] <mandel> dobey: haaha, well I was wondering if you could land a branch for me, because tarmac is down, right?
[16:27] <rye> rodrigo_, ok, after several kills of evolution processes it is now showing up the contacts
[16:28] <rodrigo_> hmm
[16:28] <mandel> dobey: is not blocking me, so it can be done after the sprint, not a big deal
[16:28] <dobey> mandel: tarmac is down yes. what branch?
[16:28] <mandel> dobey: would be this: https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntu-sso-client/windows_ui_3/+merge/55561
[16:28] <mandel> dobey: but as I said, not blocking so I can wait 'til tarmac is back
[16:29] <dobey> ok
[16:31] <mandel> dobey: so we wait for tarmac, right?
[16:31] <nessita> alecu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess
[16:35] <dobey> nessita: can you land mandel's sso branch^ por favor?
[16:35] <nessita> sure!
[16:35] <dobey> gracias
[16:35] <nessita> de nada
[16:36] <mandel> oh cool :)
[16:36]  * fagan just understood all of the languages spoken there
[16:36] <fagan> o/ progress
[16:36] <mandel> nessita: before you do it: sudo apt-get install python-qt4
[16:36] <mandel> nessita: I think that is the exact name of the package
[16:37] <rye> rodrigo_, and it does not appear to be starting desktopcouch on startup
[16:37] <nessita> mandel: what?!?!?!
[16:37] <rodrigo_> rye, what doesn't start it? the session or evo-couchdb?
[16:37] <nessita> mandel: are we adding a new dep to ussoc? I didn't get that memo ;-)
[16:37] <nessita> mandel: does it work on linux? can I try it? :-D
[16:37] <dobey> he's porting it to kde
[16:38] <mandel> nessita: is qt, not kde. It is because otherwise you will get all the pylint warnings about not having pyqt in the system
[16:38] <nessita> mandel: makes sense. Can I try it on linux?
[16:38] <ralsina> it's just to make pylint happy
[16:38] <nessita> and to avoid this:
[16:38] <mandel> nessita: not yet, it will be ready for Linux next monday, as a per project :)
[16:38] <nessita>   File "/home/nessita/canonical/tarmac/ussoc/ubuntu_sso/qt/controllers.py", line 19, in <module>
[16:38] <nessita>     from PyQt4.QtCore import QUrl
[16:38] <nessita> ImportError: No module named PyQt4.QtCore
[16:39] <mandel> nessita: ein.. that should not happen
[16:39] <mandel> u1trial should be ignoring the tests from qt
[16:40] <nessita> mandel: hum, run-tests didn't report the problem and the branch got merged the same
[16:40]  * nessita fixes run-tests
[16:40] <nessita> mandel: let's no skip the QT tests
[16:40] <nessita> mandel: let's make it a dev dependency, just like zeitgeist
[16:41] <nessita> mandel: we all should run all the linux tests, both gtk and qt, to ensure we don't break anything
[16:41] <mandel> nessita: atm the controllers are windows base, there are Qt multiplatform tests that are not skipped
[16:41] <nessita> mandel: great thena
[16:41] <nessita> then*
[16:41] <mandel> I tried hard to make just windows not to be tested :)
[16:42] <rye> rodrigo_, it does not start desktopcouch, which I suppose is because it does not query for the port
[16:42] <nessita> perfect!
[16:42] <rye> rodrigo_, even better
[16:42] <rye> rodrigo_, it starts desktopcouch but does not connect to it :(
[16:43] <mandel> nessita: I'm also adding some bugs with the windows tag in the project
[16:43] <mandel> I'll take care of all windows tagged ones
[16:52] <rodrigo_> rye, can you get the e-addressbook-factory output? without it, it's hard to say what the problem might be
[16:54] <rye> rodrigo_, need to logout to obtain clean state..brb
[16:54] <rodrigo_> rye, nah, whenever you can, no hurry right now :)
[16:56]  * fagan clocks out
[17:00] <dobey> lunch time
[17:16] <rye> rodrigo_, so, there is nothing being printed by e-addressbook-factory and desktopcouch is being started but then "There are no items to show in this view" is displayed in evolution and it stays this way until i restart e-addressbook-factory and evolution
[17:23] <rye> rodrigo_, weird thing - if i start e-addressbook-factory first then evolution, couchdb data source works, but if i run evolution w/o e-addressbook-factory, then there are no contacts
[17:37] <mandel> ralsina: do you have time to give a review for the windows team?
[17:44] <rodrigo_> rye, weird
[17:45] <fagan> mandel: windows "team"? :)
[17:46] <mandel> fagan: well, we are a team and we work in windows, right?
[17:46] <fagan> mandel: duo :P
[17:47] <mandel> fagan: well, ralsina is in, and we will have Chipaca with us in London
[17:48] <fagan> mandel: oh I thought ralsina counts for all the corners of u1
[17:48] <mandel> yes, but he is mine now, once you do a windows review, you are hooked for ever
[17:48] <mandel> well, I need to  wallk the dog
[17:48] <mandel> bbl
[17:48]  * mandel walking beast
[17:48] <fagan> later mandel
[18:18] <karni> CardinalFang: Trivial review please https://code.launchpad.net/~karni/ubuntuone-android-files/show-volumes-1-by-1/+merge/56413
[18:19] <ralsina> fagan: I am everywhere.
[18:19] <karni> ralsina: How dare you be in my bathroom O_x
[18:20] <ralsina> karni: only of you IRC there
[18:20] <karni> I don't IRC from my bathroom xD (Although I have friends who do lol!)
[18:31] <CardinalFang> karni, okay.
[18:33] <fagan> ralsina: hehe
[18:42] <karni> CardinalFang: remember your question about making those static int's enums? I justified my choice for statc ints, but I pulled them into interfaces, which should make it cleaner.
[18:42] <karni> But that's in the branch that'll follow.
[18:45] <CardinalFang> karni, rock.
[18:45] <karni> CardinalFang: \o/
[18:56] <CardinalFang> karni, approved.
[18:56] <karni> CardinalFang: Thank you!
[18:56] <CardinalFang> karni, I misread a bit the first time.
[18:56] <karni> CardinalFang: ack
[18:59] <peppe84_> If I connect to ubuntu-one client he disconnected after few second. I have try to this procedure goo.gl/TgoBU but doesn't work. however, if I start ubuntuone-preference from gnome-terminal I receive a dbus error. see this:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/589810/ any idea?
[19:16] <karni> CardinalFang: fixed https://code.launchpad.net/~karni/ubuntuone-android-files/show-volumes-1-by-1/+merge/56413
[19:20] <jester7> I cannot find an easy answer to this.  Does Ubuntu One support file versioning?
[19:21] <beuno> jester7, does not at the moment, no
[19:21] <dobey> we don't yet support file revisions,no
[19:21] <jester7> ok, thanks
[19:54] <dobey> yo soy tambien reviews de code por favor?
[19:54] <dobey> https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntuone-client/fix-744383/+merge/56424 y https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntuone-client/fix-gsd-crashes/+merge/56431
[19:59] <nessita> dobey: puedo tener algunas reviews?
[19:59] <nessita> dobey: me pueden hacer un par de reviews?
[20:01] <ralsina> nessita: I already did your performance review ;-)
[20:11] <karni> Is this Portugese or Spanish?
[20:11] <CardinalFang> d-bey's is neither, ha ha.
[20:11] <karni> hehe that I know ;) I meant what nessita wrote.
[20:12] <CardinalFang> ES
[20:12] <karni> ack :)
[21:34] <dobey> ralsina: https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntuone-client/fix-gsd-crashes/+merge/56431
[21:43] <nessita> dobey: I'm getting this error:
[21:43] <nessita> Namespace is empty; likely causes are:
[21:43] <nessita> * Not including .h files to be scanned
[21:43] <nessita> * Broken --identifier-prefix
[21:44] <dobey> ah because you're building the stable-1-4 branch on natty and gobject-introspection stuff changed
[21:44] <dobey> so when you get that, you can cd gsd-ubuntuone && make
[21:44] <dobey> and it will build the gsd extensin
[21:44] <dobey> then you can just test that
[21:44] <nessita> gsd-plugin, rigth?
[21:45] <dobey> oh yes, sorry
[21:45] <dobey> me falni
[22:43] <dobey> well just proposed another branch, which makes music store work in rhythmbox again
[22:44] <dobey> think i will upload maverick sru patch for proposed and be done
[22:45] <alecu> lucio_, facundobatista: q: after sending a share invitation thru the web, does syncdaemon have a valid volume_id for that share? I would guess it does not.
[22:47] <alecu> I'm working on bug #646059, and I need to return a volume id on the ShareCreated dbus signal
[22:47] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 646059 in ubuntuone-client "Nautilus doesn't update emblems for shares (or, syncdaemon doesn't emit response at all for shares offered thru http) (affects: 1) (heat: 5)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/646059
[22:48] <alecu> since the volume id is used later by nautilus to get at the share info
[22:52] <lucio_> i am gone, i can look into it tomorrow
[22:52] <alecu> bye then
[22:53] <alecu> for tomorrow, then: do "shareD" folders have volume_id, even though they have not been accepted yet?
[22:54] <alecu> and this completes my day as well.
[22:58] <dobey> i am pretty certain the answer to that is no. :)
[23:05] <dobey> later all!


[14:46] <mup> Issue operator#356 closed: Support extra service names <Created by knkski> <Closed by knkski> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/356>