[19:39] <zaki> hello
[19:39] <zaki> my snmpd configuration not working on ubuntu server 18.4
[19:48] <ahasenack> I always found snmpd hard
[19:52] <zaki> it's give me error like this /etc/snmp/snmpd.conf: line 16: Warning: Unknown token: Listen.
[19:53] <zaki> snmpd status running but  not working properly
[19:53] <ahasenack> did you change /etc/snmp/snmpd.conf?
[19:54] <zaki> yes
[19:56] <zaki> I enabled few default mib but not a single one working
[19:57] <zaki> each one giving Unknown token error
[19:58] <tds> zaki: can you pastebin your config? snmpd has no listen directive afaik
[20:03] <zaki> tds, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gsv5XVyvhk/
[20:04] <tds> line 16 looks like it's meant to be a comment?
[20:07] <zaki> tds, and the status is https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BkYGRBVWvG/
[20:08] <tds> zaki: it looks like it's just ignored those lines anyway, so should be running fine - but you can comment out the Listen one, and the other two look like they can be deleted if you're not using traps at all
[20:09] <zaki> tds, yes, i've commented out that one now.
[20:09] <zaki> iv'e also used snmp-mibs-downloader for extra mibs
[21:35] <adrian_1908> Looks like Ubuntu logrotates Nginx logs. So it probably makes little sense to have Nginx gzip the logs, right?
[21:39] <tomreyn> unless you want to undo log rotation (and its optional compression), i'd say so.
[21:47] <adrian_1908> Yeah, I now see I didn't have compression enabled for logrotate, but I might just do that. Enough CPU available. I see one can even use a custom command, so e.g. zstd could be an option.


[00:17] <mup> PR snapcraft#1558 closed: tests: add fake pip fixture <Created by kyrofa> <Closed by kyrofa> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1558>
[06:18] <mup> PR snapd#3947 closed: cmd/snap-repair: fix tests when running as root <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3947>
[06:22]  * zyga-ubuntu has the worst friday possible
[06:22] <zyga-ubuntu> I removed my snapd tree, including all of git history last night
[06:25] <zyga-ubuntu> so plan for today, is to ensure this doesn't happen again
[06:27] <mup> PR snapcraft#1566 opened: recording: record build-snaps installed during the pull <Created by elopio> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1566>
[06:28] <zyga-ubuntu> kyrofa: hey
[06:28] <zyga-ubuntu> kyrofa: did you use that pastebin I gave you last night?
[06:35] <cjwatson> daily automated backups of everything - it's the only way
[06:39] <zyga-ubuntu> cjwatson: deja dup backups got corrupted
[06:40] <zyga-ubuntu> cjwatson: I'll use something else as this is not the first time backup was not working, just this time was more damaging
[06:40] <cjwatson> Yeah, I used deja-dup for a little while and then decided it was far too complex
[06:41] <cjwatson> I use rsbackup now which is basically just glorified rsync --link-dest; much less to go wrong
[06:42] <zyga-ubuntu> thank you, I'll check that out
[06:49] <mvo> zyga-ubuntu: could oyu please check 3953?
[06:49] <zyga-ubuntu> mvo: sure
[06:50] <zyga-ubuntu> mvo: why not go all the way and just do this unconditionally?
[06:54] <mvo> zyga-ubuntu: not sure, to minimize risk maybe?
[06:54] <mvo> zyga-ubuntu: I'm fine with all-the-way for 2.29
[06:54] <zyga-ubuntu> mvo: sounds good to me
[06:55] <mvo> thanks
[06:56] <zyga-ubuntu> done
[07:00] <mup> PR snapd#3953 closed: snap-confine: fix base snaps on core <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3953>
[07:00] <mvo> thanks zyga-ubuntu
[07:01] <zyga-ubuntu> thank you for doing this :)
[07:04] <mvo> Pharaoh_Atem: is 2.28~rc3 doing ok on fedora or anything needs fixing before 2.28-final?
[07:09] <kalikiana> zyga-ubuntu: backups of git? in my word, that's what you get by pushing ;-)
[07:10] <kalikiana> good morning, snappy world
[07:12]  * kalikiana no more headache for now, just caughing, may the health be with me today
[07:12] <oSoMoN> My latest upload to the store of chromium failed the automated review because the chrome sandbox executable has the setuid bit set, but that used to be allowed previously (not sure if it was an exception for that snap only, or something else). Can anyone from the store/review team help?
[07:12] <oSoMoN> (oh, and good morning everyone, by the way!)
[07:24] <mvo> zyga-ubuntu: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25590963/ <- snapd needs to create that dir in the re-exec case or fail gracefully, right now re-exec with edge is briken
[07:24] <mvo> broken
[07:25] <zyga-ubuntu> mvo: loking
[07:26] <zyga-ubuntu> oh
[07:26] <zyga-ubuntu> good point
[07:26] <zyga-ubuntu> mvo: how did tests not catch that?
[07:26] <zyga-ubuntu> mvo: ah, I think I know
[07:33] <zyga-ubuntu> mvo: ok I have a patch
[07:39] <mup> PR snapd#3955 opened: dirs,interfaces: create snap-confine.d on demand when re-executing <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3955>
[07:39] <zyga-ubuntu> mvo: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3955
[07:39] <mup> PR #3955: dirs,interfaces: create snap-confine.d on demand when re-executing <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3955>
[08:03] <zyga-ubuntu> Chipaca: can you please look at https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3955/files
[08:03] <mup> PR #3955: dirs,interfaces: create snap-confine.d on demand when re-executing <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3955>
[08:04] <Chipaca> aye aye cap'n
[08:04] <zyga-ubuntu> thank you
[08:04] <zyga-ubuntu> Chipaca: I lost my snapd tree with 2 weeks of code in it
[08:04] <zyga-ubuntu> not a great day
[08:04] <Chipaca> zyga-ubuntu: did you look under the bed
[08:05] <zyga-ubuntu> Chipaca: I wanted to stay there today actually
[08:07] <Chipaca> zyga-ubuntu: under the bed?
[08:08] <zyga-ubuntu> in it
[08:08] <Chipaca> zyga-ubuntu: my dog hides under the bed during thunderstorms
[08:09] <Chipaca> she's brave like that
[08:33] <zyga-ubuntu> CI is slow today?
[08:35]  * Chipaca quotes poetry at niemeyer
[08:45] <sparkiegeek> Chipaca: Vogon poetry?
[08:45] <Chipaca> sparkiegeek: unix poetry
[08:45] <Chipaca> sparkiegeek: tomeito/tomahto
[08:48] <mup> PR snapcraft#1567 opened: recording: record the snaps installed in the machine <Created by elopio> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1567>
[08:52] <mup> PR snapd#3956 opened: snap-confine: bind mount /usr/lib/snapd relative to snap-confine <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3956>
[08:53] <mvo> zyga-ubuntu: ^- something for you :) should be easy but was a bit tricky to figure out
[08:59] <zyga-ubuntu> looking
[09:03] <zyga-ubuntu> mvo: interesting,
[09:03] <zyga-ubuntu> mvo: I suspect we can do away with _some_ of those snprintfs but it looks good
[09:04] <mup> PR snapd#3955 closed: dirs,interfaces: create snap-confine.d on demand when re-executing <Created by zyga> <Merged by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3955>
[09:10] <zyga-ubuntu> mvo: done
[09:28] <pedronis> mvo: zyga-ubuntu: should 't we change the name of sc_mount_config.on_classic_distro to something else , now that is true on core also with base snaps
[09:34] <zyga-ubuntu> pedronis: yes, I think it will become "use_classic_confinement" or similar
[09:34] <zyga-ubuntu> pedronis: as everything else will be identical
[09:34] <zyga-ubuntu> we may not need that variable afte rall
[09:38] <pedronis> classic_confinement is a bit strange given that is not confiment: classic
[09:39] <zyga-ubuntu> in which way?
[09:40] <zyga-ubuntu> I mean that the only remaning boolean variable is if we need a mount namespace or not
[09:43] <pedronis> I'm saying that using classic in the name of a bool that we use both on classic and core is strange, that classic confiment means too many things already
[09:44] <zyga-ubuntu> pedronis: right, I think we are in agreement, it is not done yet but eventually there will be just one flag "mount namespace needed", we need to finish the transition and rename things
[10:35] <ackk> niemeyer, hi, left a question on https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3916 about validateion
[10:35] <mup> PR #3916: snap,wrappers: add support for socket activation <Created by albertodonato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3916>
[10:35] <ackk> *validation
[10:44] <doko> snapcraft autopkg test failure<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:45] <doko> output: {{{b'/snap/godd/x1/bin/godd: relocation error: /snap/godd/x1/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpthread.so.0: symbol __mmap, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference\n'}}}
[10:46] <doko> but it's built with glibc-2.26 ...
[10:48] <ogra_> godd is also a properly confined snap (i have only seen that with --classic snaps on artful yet) which makes it even weirder ...
[10:48] <ogra_> mvo, ^^^
[10:48] <ogra_> *classic snaps that get built *on* and *against* artful
[10:49] <mvo> ogra_: looking
[11:35] <mup> PR snapd#3934 closed: snap-repair: implement `snap-repair {list,show}` <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3934>
[11:36] <mup> PR snapd#3928 closed: interfaces/system-observe: allow clients to enumerate DBus connection names <Created by jdstrand> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3928>
[11:41] <ackk> ogra_, mvo does snapd already have code to validate URIs (hostname:port, ip:port, ipv6:port, port and so on)?
[11:49]  * ogra_ doesnt know ... i think we used to have code to check for occupied ports when we used to support the "ports:" keyword in snap.yaml during 15.04, but i dont know if that code survived
[11:52] <ackk> ogra_, now that I think about it, for the listen-stream case I think I could just validate that it's a port, there's no real point in specifying an address
[11:52] <ackk> well, maybe localhost
[11:52] <ogra_> ackk, well, what happens if i install a snap using port 80 that already has an apache deb installed ?
[11:53] <ackk> ogra_, that's a separate issue though
[11:53] <ogra_> right, but there needs to be some check so my snap doesnt madly try to respawn
[12:07] <kyrofa> zyga-ubuntu, I did, thank you! It was tremendously helpful. I tried to thank you last night, but you were gone :(
[12:08] <sergiusens> kyrofa up so early?
[12:08] <kyrofa> sergiusens, I've been a little more popular than I was anticipating... haven't had time to put that lightning talk together! This is my solution :P
[12:08] <sergiusens> elopio mind looking at the artful issues with snapcraft (mentioned on ubuntu-release and here by doko)? I'll be running errands all day today
[12:18] <zyga-ubuntu> kyrofa: I was upset because while doing that I removed my whole snapd tree with unmerged code
[12:18] <zyga-ubuntu> kyrofa: I had a symlink
[12:19] <kyrofa> zyga-ubuntu, I'm sorry about that! Were you able to recover from backup?
[12:19] <zyga-ubuntu> kyrofa: and I wasn't operating on a copy :(
[12:19] <zyga-ubuntu> kyrofa: no, my backup was broken (deja-***-dup)
[12:19] <kyrofa> :(
[12:19] <zyga-ubuntu> anyway
[12:19] <zyga-ubuntu> I kind of remember what I wrote
[12:19] <zyga-ubuntu> guess what I'm doing today
[12:21] <mvo> ackk: hi, re url parsing> is https://golang.org/pkg/net/url/#Parse that you need?
[12:22] <Chipaca> I wish there was an Equals interface in go
[12:25] <ackk> mvo, not really. listen-stream for TCP/UDP is basically in the form of  [address:]port
[12:26] <mvo> ackk: hm, I see
[12:27]  * Chipaca takes a break
[12:28] <ackk> mvo, I mean, I can implement the validation, just wondering if there's something like that already
[12:29] <mvo> ackk: not sure what exactly listen-stream looks like, but https://play.golang.org/p/Fi-0n-cRNF is using url.Parse() even without schema
[12:29] <ackk> mvo, also, it may be that we just care about the port (see my comment https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/socket-activation-support/2050/28?u=ack)
[12:29] <mvo> ackk: I have a meeting now, but can check after the meeting for listen-stream
[12:34] <ackk> mvo, it doesn't really work https://play.golang.org/p/QPUxhKV_Dv :)
[12:49] <niemeyer> Moin moin
[12:55] <niemeyer> ackk: Thanks, responded
[13:00] <mvo> niemeyer: please start without me, I'm in a different meeting
[13:02] <zyga-ubuntu> oh
[13:02] <zyga-ubuntu> standup
[13:02] <zyga-ubuntu> joining
[13:06] <phil_m> zyga-ubuntu: hi, how are you today?
[13:07] <zyga-ubuntu> phil_m: hi
[13:07] <zyga-ubuntu> phil_m: I'm around
[13:09] <phil_m> good.
[13:09] <phil_m> just wanted to ask you about the current progress you made with Manjaro.
[13:09] <phil_m> any news. some I should test on my end?
[13:12] <zyga-ubuntu> phil_m: I didn't have time to try it on real hardware but I have a spare HDD so I plan to install it over weekend; apart from that it is ready and I just want to test it
[13:12] <zyga-ubuntu> phil_m: (on hardware, works in VM)
[13:13] <zyga-ubuntu> phil_m: I had a pretty bad day last nigth though because my I managed to rm -rf my work directory on my main desktop
[13:14] <phil_m> zyga-ubuntu: ouch.
[13:14] <phil_m> that is really sad to hear.
[13:14] <ackk> niemeyer, thanks. basically I think I only need a final decision about what is acceptable for listen-stream
[13:18] <ogra_> niemeyer, how do i add an "ogra" tag in the forum (does that need you with admin rights ?)
[13:18] <niemeyer> ogra_: Yeah, not just me, but someone with permissions
[13:18] <zyga-ubuntu> phil_m: but no worries, all my patches are still in that VM so I didn't completely blow my data
[13:19] <niemeyer> ogra_: Only thing I ask is to please follow the conventions in that topic (can find the link if you want) about tagging with upcoming and backlog as well, so the username tag should not be alone
[13:19] <phil_m> zyga-ubuntu: ok. makes sense
[13:19] <ogra_> niemeyer, it is for https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/split-initrd-implementation/2224/1
[13:20] <ogra_> (allready has upcoming and will likelyy get more names on it)
[13:20] <ogra_> niemeyer, thanks!
[13:20] <niemeyer> ogra_: Done, tag created
[13:20] <ogra_> oh, gone again
[13:20] <niemeyer> ogra_: You should be able to use it now
[13:20] <ogra_> k
[13:21] <ogra_> yup, works
[13:21] <mup> PR snapcraft#1568 opened: lxd: don't re-inject the same snaps <Created by kalikiana> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1568>
[13:22] <mvo> jdstrand: when you have a moment (not urgent) a review of 3956 would be appreciated
[13:23]  * kalikiana feeling dizzy and hungry, taking a break and looking for some food
[13:39] <mup> Bug #1718942 opened: running favorited snap shows two icons in Ubuntu dock <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1718942>
[13:52] <phil_m> zyga-ubuntu: I just created a new package of snapd with version 2.28dev+g0723493
[13:53] <phil_m> zyga-ubuntu: still face the error 'cannot locate the base snap: ubuntu-core: No such file or directory' on my end.
[13:54] <ogra_> phil_m, weird, does it really still say ubuntu-core ?
[13:54] <ogra_> phil_m, also ... did you see https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/snap-on-arch-liri-os/2223/1
[13:54] <phil_m> yep.
[13:55] <phil_m> zyga-ubuntu: used files can be found here: https://github.com/manjaro/packages-community/tree/master/snapd-git
[13:55] <phil_m> and the standard stable release at: https://github.com/manjaro/packages-community/tree/master/snapd
[13:56] <ogra_> (funny that is seems to be kind of working with a few minor changes on liriOS but not on manjaro ... )
[13:57] <phil_m> maybe I should change PATH=$PATH:/var/lib/snapd/snap/bin:/snap/bin to just PATH=$PATH:/snap/bin
[14:00] <phil_m> orga_: we already use: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/commit/413a2a099dc57e3fb7c7e82a6c7250cf4c2f74fd
[14:01] <ogra_> yeah
[14:05] <zyga-ubuntu> phil_m: hmmmmm
[14:05] <zyga-ubuntu> phil_m: we had a patch for that error message
[14:05] <zyga-ubuntu> phil_m: one sec
[14:06] <kyrofa> Hey kalikiana I've got an odd bug. As you've been touching the repo code most recently, any chance you've come across it? https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapcraft/+bug/1686481
[14:06] <mup> Bug #1686481: stage-packages doesn't respect architectures <kubernetes> <Snapcraft:Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1686481>
[14:07] <kyrofa> Or otherwise have any insight
[14:08] <zyga-ubuntu> phil_m: do you have 8c821c13bb62703c5119a1b0b1edbd53ce7f48aa in your tree?
[14:09] <phil_m> let me check
[14:10] <phil_m> no, will try some now.
[14:13] <mup> PR snapd#3957 opened: cmd,dirs: treat "liri" the same way as "arch" <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3957>
[14:14] <phil_m> hmm, the error is gone, but now it simply hangs a while
[14:14] <phil_m> chromium now started with a delay
[14:14] <ogra_> well
[14:14] <phil_m> second start was faster.
[14:14] <ogra_> snaps typically coopy some stuff arund on first start
[14:14] <ogra_> s thats kind of expected
[14:14] <phil_m> seems it is now kinda working
[14:15] <ogra_> \o/
[14:15] <zyga-ubuntu> phil_m: is snapd running?
[14:15] <phil_m> seems so
[14:16] <ogra_> if the chroium snap runs it better should :P
[14:16] <phil_m> now I only don't know if it is in /snap or in the /var/lib/snapd/snap
[14:17] <zyga-ubuntu> phil_m: what did you rebuild?
[14:17] <zyga-ubuntu> phil_m: can you please look at https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/snap-on-arch-liri-os/2223/4
[14:17] <zyga-ubuntu> phil_m: using that source package (just with .6 and manjaro patch instead of liro patch) you should be mostly fine
[14:17] <phil_m> will upload the changes soon
[14:38] <jdstrand> mvo: done
[14:40] <flexiondotorg> Hey zyga-ubuntu
[14:41] <flexiondotorg> So, you're still seeking an Arch TU to collaborate with?
[14:46] <zyga-ubuntu> flexiondotorg: hey
[14:46] <zyga-ubuntu> flexiondotorg: yes, very much so
[14:46] <zyga-ubuntu> flexiondotorg: especially now with arch derivatives suffering from old package ther
[14:48] <zyga-ubuntu> flexiondotorg: do you have someone that could help?
[14:49] <flexiondotorg> Well, I've been reaching out to the main derivatives Manjaro and Antergos.
[14:50] <flexiondotorg> I'll see if I still have any credit in the Arch community. I'll see if I can find a sponsor to reprise my role as Arch Linux TU
[14:50] <zyga-ubuntu> flexiondotorg: thank you!
[14:53] <flexiondotorg> If I can get a sponsor, it will still be down to a vote and that takes a month
[14:55] <zyga-ubuntu> yes, I read the protocol
[14:55] <zyga-ubuntu> the best we can do though
[14:55] <zyga-ubuntu> I really wish timothy didn't abandon the package
[14:55] <zyga-ubuntu> but it seems he has
[14:56] <zyga-ubuntu> (also ignoring email)
[14:56] <flexiondotorg> Yep, I've tried contacting him too
[14:57] <zyga-ubuntu> maybe we could give him a ring via RH
[14:57] <flexiondotorg> Indeed😉
[14:57] <zyga-ubuntu> "step down considerably" is not a virtue it seems
[14:57] <zyga-ubuntu> e
[14:57] <zyga-ubuntu> er
[14:57] <zyga-ubuntu> "resposibly" was it?
[14:57] <zyga-ubuntu> anyway
[15:01] <Pharaoh_Atem> mvo: let me give it a whirl
[15:02] <Pharaoh_Atem> zyga-ubuntu: I'll see if I can get a hold of tradelli
[15:02] <mvo> Pharaoh_Atem: thanks
[15:03] <Pharaoh_Atem> zyga-ubuntu: he's in the Fedora community somewhat since he now works at Red Hat
[15:03] <zyga-ubuntu> Pharaoh_Atem: thank you!
[15:04] <zyga-ubuntu> Pharaoh_Atem: note that we made multiple attempts to contact him (irc, twitter, email, linkedin) and got no replies
[15:04] <zyga-ubuntu> (over extended amount of time)
[15:04] <Pharaoh_Atem> zyga-ubuntu: I've talked to him a couple of times recently
[15:04] <Pharaoh_Atem> his dead is down in the weeds in DPDK and kernel networking stuff
[15:04] <Pharaoh_Atem> s/dead/head/
[15:04] <mvo> jdstrand: thanks a bunch! I addressed your comments
[15:05] <zyga-ubuntu> Pharaoh_Atem: haha
[15:05] <Pharaoh_Atem> he took over from Panu Matilainen when he returned to the helm of rpm development/maintenence
[15:05] <zyga-ubuntu> Pharaoh_Atem: DPDK?
[15:05] <Pharaoh_Atem> Data Plane Developer Kit
[15:05] <Pharaoh_Atem> from Intel, now a Linux Foundation project
[15:05] <Pharaoh_Atem> does weird things to network subsystem to make things go fasterer
[15:06] <Pharaoh_Atem> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Plane_Development_Kit
[15:06]  * ogra_ points to apt-cache show dpdk
[15:07] <zyga-ubuntu> magic
[15:07] <Pharaoh_Atem> but basically, DPDK is terrible and sucks the life out of you
[15:08] <zyga-ubuntu> Pharaoh_Atem: it must pay well then
[15:09] <Pharaoh_Atem> mvo: err, why is the spec in 2.28 branch telling me it's 2.27.5?
[15:11] <phil_m> zyga-ubuntu: Manjaro now supports fully snaps
[15:12] <Pharaoh_Atem> mvo: ah, you haven't been bumping the versions like you did for 2.27 during the rc development
[15:12] <phil_m> I've tested the curren stable v2.17 and current dev series v2.28
[15:18] <zyga-ubuntu> phil_m: \o/ !!
[15:18] <zyga-ubuntu> phil_m: excellent
[15:18] <zyga-ubuntu> phil_m: what kind of GPU do you have?
[15:18] <zyga-ubuntu> phil_m: and can you tell me more about your kernel
[15:18] <zyga-ubuntu> phil_m: (and can we add a logo with installation instructions to snapcraft.io?)
[15:22] <phil_m> you can add a logo and the instruction # pacman -Sy snapd when we released it also to our stable branches
[15:23] <phil_m> I've an Nvidia gpu
[15:23] <zyga-ubuntu> phil_m: excellent, I'll make that happen! Thank you! :)
[15:23] <phil_m> and the kernel is more or less vanilla with some patches added.
[15:23] <zyga-ubuntu> phil_m: do you have a preferred logo (quality, etc) I should use?
[15:23] <davidcalle> zyga-ubuntu: phil_m: can you open a bug with the logo?
[15:23] <phil_m> https://github.com/manjaro/packages-core/tree/master/linux413
[15:24] <phil_m> is the current stable kernel
[15:24] <phil_m> davidcalle: in which tracker should I open the bug?
[15:25] <davidcalle> https://github.com/canonical-websites/snapcraft.io-static-pages
[15:25] <davidcalle> Thanks phil_m :)
[15:25] <zyga-ubuntu> thank you both!
[15:29] <kalikiana> kyrofa: Sorry for the late reply, this stupid cold forced me to rest... regarding bug 1686481 I'll add a comment in a moment
[15:29] <mup> Bug #1686481: stage-packages doesn't respect architectures <kubernetes> <Snapcraft:Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1686481>
[15:31] <jdstrand> mvo: hey, did you see my followup comment on PATH_MAX?
[15:31] <jdstrand> mvo: also, think you need a go fmt
[15:32] <phil_m> davidcalle: https://github.com/canonical-websites/snapcraft.io-static-pages/issues/387
[15:33] <zyga-ubuntu> jdstrand: thank you for the instructive reviews!
[15:33] <zyga-ubuntu> mvo: can I merge https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3952
[15:33] <mup> PR #3952: cmd: update "make hack" <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3952>
[15:40] <zyga-ubuntu> one more test...
[15:49] <kalikiana> kyrofa: Good job spotting that old bug :-D I posted a test snippet that seems to work for me. Although this is almost untested so not sure if it does what they need - but at least I've got some tests for this in my queue
[15:53] <kyrofa> kalikiana, excellent, thank you very much :)
[16:05] <ogra_> ARGH !
[16:05] <ogra_> my rocket snap just made my system get stuck
[16:06] <ogra_> niemeyer, is it wanted that mup just sent ~1000 PR messages to #snapcraft on rocket ?
[16:06] <niemeyer> ogra_: I hope you know the answer to that :)
[16:06] <ogra_> heh
[16:07] <ogra_> well, something is weird
[16:07] <niemeyer> ogra_: IIRC mup was actually disabled there
[16:07] <ogra_> yeah
[16:07] <niemeyer> ogra_: Someone is probably fiddling with settings
[16:07] <ogra_> thats what i meant with weird :)
[16:08] <niemeyer> ogra_: They broke the plugin API for the Nth time a couple of months ago and I disabled it.. need to look into it to see if it's fixed
[16:08] <ogra_> seems to have stopped now
[16:08] <sergiusens> kalikiana elopio how about a look on snapcraft#1565 ?
[16:08] <mup> PR snapcraft#1565: cli: add the assemble command <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1565>
[16:08] <niemeyer> ogra_: Probably someone just flipped the switch enabling it
[16:08] <ogra_> yep, for a minute or two and it replayed some caxche i guess
[16:21] <kalikiana> sergiusens: You got some comments
[16:25] <ikey> looks like manjaro landed snap support
[16:25] <ikey> the commune groweth
[16:31] <zyga-ubuntu> ikey: indeed :)
[16:33] <ikey> looks like everyone is getting on the bandwagon now
[16:33]  * ikey likes cascading self ordering chaos
[16:49] <niemeyer> ikey, zyga-ubuntu: Nice!
[16:52] <ogra_> nacc, i guess kyrofa would know more about that ;)
[16:52] <ogra_> (and i'm saying this here because he isnt in #ubuntu-release=
[16:52] <ogra_> )
[16:53] <ogra_> :)
[16:55] <nacc> ogra_: ack :)
[16:57] <mvo> zyga-ubuntu: I think so
[16:58] <mvo> jdstrand: yeah, I fixed that, thanks and sorry :)
[16:58] <mvo> Pharaoh_Atem: I can push with 2.28~rc4 if you want
[16:58] <mup> PR snapd#3952 closed: cmd: update "make hack" <Created by zyga> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3952>
[17:01] <jdstrand> mvo: thanks!
[17:07] <zyga-ubuntu> mvo: thank you
[17:15] <Pharaoh_Atem> mvo: I'm testing to see if the new cheggaaa-pb package works without the hack atm
[17:15] <mvo> Pharaoh_Atem: thanks
[17:15] <Pharaoh_Atem> if it does, I'm going to send a PR to revert that commit and then the corresponding revert can be done in 2.28
[17:17]  * zyga-ubuntu -> supper
[18:03] <kyrofa> Nooo, I got up at 5am to prep a lightning talk only to arrive and learn they switched it to a raffle instead of first-come-first-served... and didn't get in
[18:06] <kyrofa> nacc, ogra_ I seem to be missing the scrollback that contains context. What would I know more about?
[18:06] <nacc> kyrofa: it's mostly in #ubuntu-release
[18:07] <nacc> kyrofa: let me get the linnk
[18:07] <kyrofa> Haha, well that would explain the missing context
[18:07] <nacc> https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2017/09/22/%23ubuntu-release.html
[18:07] <nacc> kyrofa: exec. summary: 1) snapcraft dep8 tests are broken on artful 2) artful builds of snaps are broken
[18:08] <nacc> aiui, the solutions are multiple: 1) snapcraft dep8 should use cleanbuild
[18:08] <zyga-ubuntu> man, travis and github don't love me today
[18:08] <nacc> 2) there needs to be blacklist libs file added for all non-16.04 releases (elopio had a test for this for 17.10 specifically)
[18:08] <zyga-ubuntu> network isuses
[18:08] <kyrofa> Yes indeedy, that's not surprising at all
[18:09] <nacc> 3) the fallback for not havinng a filelist should be an error (IMO), not a fallback. As it just doesn't work. Or the fallback list should be everything the libc deb provides
[18:09] <nacc> now that won't fix artful builds of snaps, as they still have a xenial core snap and there be dragons
[18:10] <nacc> but it means the libc issue that's currently busted would work, i think
[18:10] <nacc> s/would work/would not manifest itself/
[18:11] <kyrofa> Sorry guys, I didn't realize that was a room in which I should idle
[18:11] <kyrofa> Rectified now
[18:11] <nacc> kyrofa: we probably should have brought the convo here
[18:13] <kyrofa> nacc, so yeah, snapcraft crawls prime and essentially sucks over any libs it discovers via ldd on every elf
[18:13] <kyrofa> nacc, it ships the libraries/16.04 file as a blacklist of stuff in the core snap to NOT suck over
[18:14] <kyrofa> But of course, it checks the OS before deciding whether or not to use libraries/16.04, or libraries/16.10, etc
[18:14] <kyrofa> The latter of which doesn't exist
[18:14] <kyrofa> Thus nothing gets excluded, and it sucks everything off the host
[18:14] <nacc> kyrofa: yep that was my analysis from the source as well
[18:15] <nacc> kyrofa: since snapcraft's dep8 is runnig natively on artful, it didn't find any blacklist file
[18:15] <kyrofa> This is a problem not only per release, but per arch, as different arch core snaps contain different things, and thus need separate blacklists
[18:15] <nacc> kyrofa: ouch :/
[18:15] <kyrofa> To compound matters, we've decided the library sucking feature sucks (heh) because it's magical and unreliable, as you've discovered, so we haven't really invested in making it better
[18:16] <nacc> well, as of right now there are two relatively high-profile (to me) issues then: snapcraft dep8 is failing and any snap built on artful right now is going to be broken
[18:16] <kyrofa> Yes and yes. Agreed
[18:16] <nacc> I happened to get built by the latter before the former was seen, I guess :)
[18:16] <asafniv1[m]> any good snap apps?
[18:17] <kyrofa> I really don't think we should just remove the feature though, or current snaps will stop working
[18:17] <kyrofa> So we probably need to invest some time in improving it
[18:17] <asafniv1[m]> we should make snaps use system fonts and theme
[18:17] <nacc> kyrofa: yeah, i'm not sure the best way forward -- i think elopio's file list is a good start (i'm not sure how many non-amd64 non-classic snaps are being built on artful, e.g.)
[18:17] <nacc> kyrofa: but like you said, that's insufficient on its own
[18:18] <nacc> i'm also switching my snap to build on xenial (presuming the tests pass :)
[18:20] <kyrofa> ogra_, if I install a snap on artful, what core snap am I getting? The 16 one, right?
[18:21] <kyrofa> Which means even if we DO blacklist the stuff in the core snap, if the libc in artful changes, it'll still be pulled in
[18:21] <zyga-ubuntu> kyrofa: yes
[18:22] <kyrofa> Even if the library sucking feature was gone, the snap would be built against a different libc version than that with which it will be run
[18:22] <kyrofa> There's no solution to this problem!
[18:22] <kyrofa> :P
[18:22] <nacc> kyrofa: yeah, this is all pretty buggy (building on artful) until we get base snaps
[18:22] <kyrofa> Yep
[18:22] <nacc> that's why, honestly, it should be disabled (but there's no way to communicate that effectively it feels like)
[18:22] <nacc> it's just guaranteed to have weird failures eventually :)
[18:23] <kyrofa> nacc, well, like I said, even if it was disabled, building on artful won't result in a snap that runs
[18:23] <nacc> kyrofa: no, i mean, don't allow buildig on artful :)
[18:23] <nacc> at least not via LP
[18:23] <kyrofa> Ahhh
[18:23] <asafniv1[m]> Don't use ubuntu
[18:23] <kyrofa> Agreed. It should only be xenial
[18:23] <nacc> it's just goign to lead to bad publishes to the store right now
[18:23] <nacc> kyrofa: yep
[18:23] <kyrofa> Indeed
[18:24] <kyrofa> And the autopkgtests should be cleanbuild
[18:24] <nacc> kyrofa: yeah, that will at least get them passing, regardless of aythign
[18:24] <kyrofa> Although that means less of snapcraft is tested, which isn't great
[18:25] <asafniv1[m]> what if someone makes a snap virus
[18:25] <zyga-ubuntu> asafniv1[m]: what then?
[18:25] <asafniv1[m]> would canonical remove it?
[18:25] <asafniv1[m]> btw do they test snaps?
[18:26] <asafniv1[m]> or scan?
[18:27] <zyga-ubuntu> asafniv1[m]: we don't test snaps
[18:27] <zyga-ubuntu> asafniv1[m]: we scan them for certain things
[18:27] <zyga-ubuntu> asafniv1[m]: and check which interfaces they want to use, snaps get manual review if they request privileged interface for the first time
[18:28] <asafniv1[m]> ok
[18:28] <nacc> kyrofa: yeah, the coverage would go down, i suppose
[18:29] <zyga-ubuntu> asafniv1[m]: the security model depends on a combination of sandbox, distinction between privileged and common interfaces and packages that are signed by the snap store
[18:29] <zyga-ubuntu> asafniv1[m]: you can upload any code you like, it will not be allowed to do anything from the privileged set unless there is a store review and we essentially trust you
[19:20] <zyga-ubuntu> niemeyer: hey
[19:21] <zyga-ubuntu> ah, found it :)
[19:21] <niemeyer> zyga-ubuntu: Heya :)
[19:22] <zyga-ubuntu> niemeyer: I flagged some spam on the forum
[19:22] <zyga-ubuntu> niemeyer: wasn't sure if you are still around
[19:28] <niemeyer> zyga-ubuntu: Done
[19:36] <zyga-ubuntu> thank you :)
[19:39] <niemeyer> zyga-ubuntu: np, thanks for flagging!
[19:51] <nacc> we've got a jenkins job that is trying to test MPs for git-ubuntu before we land them by building a snap on xenial (using cleanbuild) in a xenial VM and then testing that locally built snap. Anyone know why we're gettinng the following error related to the core snap?https://paste.ubuntu.com/25594413/
[20:29] <sergiusens> kyrofa nacc we shouldn't improve it, we should remove it as we discussed months ago, breakage here is a simple fix
[20:30] <sergiusens> and there probably won't be base snaps for non LTS releases
[20:30] <sergiusens> but we haven't gotten into the details around that, probably a discussion for next week with niemeyer
[20:31] <nacc> sergiusens: yeah, i'm +1 onn removing it if there really can't be support for it
[20:31] <nacc> sergiusens: i'm not going to be at the rally, but i thikn i'll be getting hte info from my team
[20:54] <mup> Bug #1690880 changed: test_snappy_version fails on artful <cloud-init:Fix Released> <Snappy:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1690880>
[21:00] <kyrofa> sergiusens, I don't think that's a good idea-- lots of snaps will break. But it's your call
[21:02] <sergiusens> kyrofa they will have a simple fix
[21:03] <kyrofa> sergiusens, it's still breakage that requires them to fix it
[21:03] <nacc> sergiusens: build from source on xenial?
[21:03] <kyrofa> Think CI, daily builds
[21:04] <sergiusens> kyrofa if CI never breaks, why do you run it?
[21:04] <sergiusens> I know it will break, people running CI will detect it fast and adapt
[21:04] <kyrofa> CI is for catching MY problems :P
[21:04] <sergiusens> same thing for new features and deprecations in snapd (e.g.; aliases)
[21:05] <kyrofa> But yeah, your call
[21:06] <nacc> sergiusens: is what i said the fix?
[21:40] <nacc> is this expected?
[21:40] <nacc> ls -ahl /snap/core/current/lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2
[21:40] <nacc> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 32 Sep 11 23:36 /snap/core/current/lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 -> /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ld-2.23.so
[21:40] <nacc> (which does't exist on artful)
[21:40] <nacc> ogra_: --^ i switched my snnap to build with cleanbuild and now i get the relocation error on artful :)
[21:41] <ogra_> heh
[21:41] <nacc> still waiting for jenkins to finish to see if it works on 16.04 now, at least
[21:43] <nacc> specifically /usr/bin/python3: /snap/core/current/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.25' not found (required by /usr/bin/python3)
[21:43] <nacc> not sure why it' susing the python3 from the host
[21:46] <ogra_> is it using the python plugin ?
[21:47] <nacc> ogra_: no, my app just uses the dump plugin
[21:47] <nacc> and every command is pointed at a wrapper script
[21:47] <nacc> that invokes python3 *in* my snap
[21:47] <ogra_> kyrofa, sorry, i didnt mean you should permanently idle in #ubuntu-release ... that was more a ping for if you were around to participate in the discussion :)
[21:48] <ogra_> nacc, right ... the pytjon plugin makes sure you get the interpreter inside iirc
[21:48] <ogra_> *python
[21:48] <nacc> ogra_: hrm, by doing what? i mean does it tell snapd something?
[21:49] <ogra_> so you should perhaps add another part using the python plugin and not doing anything else
[21:49] <ogra_> it ships it in $SNAPp
[21:49] <nacc> oh i do have one for python2
[21:49] <ogra_> it ships it in $SNAP/bin
[21:49] <nacc> hrm
[21:49] <nacc> ok
[21:49] <nacc> ogra_: i have a python3 in my snap
[21:49] <nacc> i'm wondering if env is messed up now
[21:49]  * ogra_ gets dinner and needs to go afk ...
[21:50] <nacc> ogra_: np, thanks for all the help today!
[21:50] <ogra_> :)
[21:54] <nacc> ok relocation error was a bug in how i was calling the python3 argcomplete
[21:57] <kwmonroe> ahoy snapaholics - in the content interface doc (https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/the-content-interface/1074) it mentions writable data should "share all of $SNAP_DATA or $SNAP_COMMON for now."  is that still a thing?  i'm able to share writable subdirs in core-16-2.27.6, but dunno what nasties may come.
[22:01] <nacc> ogra_: lol, i see it now and am not sure how to fix it
[22:01] <nacc> #!/usr/bin/env python3 in my pseudo-confined snap will segfault on artful
[22:02] <nacc> because i've modified LD_LIBRARY_PATH to point to the core snap
[22:02] <nacc> but /usr/bin/env is from artful
[23:42] <nacc> ogra_: so that was definitely one issue (which is hard to debug, as the segfault happens in the python script wrapped)
[23:42] <nacc> ogra_: and i foudn the other one, i had forgotten to drop the stage-packages i was no building from src, so they were overriding my built binaries and leading to segfaults ;)
[23:42] <nacc> i'm rebuilding now to test
[23:47] <mup> PR snapcraft#1569 opened: tests: refactor the fake snapd to not hardcode values <Created by elopio> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1569>
[23:50] <nacc> kyrofa: sergiusens: do you want me to file a bug or something for this?
[23:50] <nacc> ogra_: --^


[00:17] <daftykins> nvidia's drivers are great vs. AMD :)
[03:13] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[03:35] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: I wandered away for a bit ..  So Far So Good .
[03:43] <lotuspsychje> yeah the plans are on the table
[03:44] <lotuspsychje> and time is on my side now
[03:44] <Bashing-om> :D
[03:48] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: also soon .1 comes out for existing customers & new ones..perfect timing?
[03:52] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Coincidence ? I think NOT - Prior Prudent Planning :)
[03:52] <lotuspsychje> yeah fate comes togheter
[05:48] <ducasse> good morning
[05:59] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:11] <ducasse> \o lordievader - all well?
[06:11] <lordievader> Doing good here. How are you?
[06:13] <ducasse> ok so far, i think :)
[06:13] <lordievader> ;)
[06:48] <lotuspsychje> morning lordievader ducasse
[06:50] <lordievader> Hey lotuspsychje
[06:59] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[06:59] <lotuspsychje> all good lordievader warm, how about yourself? vacation in sight?
[07:00] <lordievader> Doing good here.
[07:00] <lordievader> Err, not really.
[07:00] <lordievader> We had a vacation in April. No real plans for the summer.
[07:01] <lotuspsychje> wow
[07:01] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: come to belgium mate, we have much holidays here :p
[07:01] <lordievader> Hahaha 😋
[07:02] <lotuspsychje> for the right cipher $$$$ i could sell a few days :p
[11:08] <hggdh> good morning folks
[11:11] <ducasse> \o
[15:22]  * leftyfb shines hggdh's boots
[15:22] <oerheks> now i want LUKS too
[15:22] <leftyfb> and there it is
[15:23] <leftyfb> I encrypt all my laptops with LUKS
[15:23] <oerheks> Luks, Btrfs, ZFS,raid and LVM, write me a setup script please
[15:23] <leftyfb> uh
[15:23] <oerheks> .. and gnome must remember password!
[15:24] <leftyfb> btrfs / zfs
[15:24] <leftyfb> gotta pick one :)
[15:24] <oerheks> ssssh, i have a heat stroke, walking Drabber
[15:25] <oerheks> oh, i forgot, i want swap-exfat
[15:26] <hggdh> there was an issue with synchronisation of LUKS passwords, IDK if it is still there
[15:27] <leftyfb> hggdh: you mean in keyring or something
[15:28] <oerheks> maybe a conflict with 2 entrances for luks pass ...
[15:29] <hggdh> leftyfb: yes. Package is seahorse
[15:30] <leftyfb> regardless, people shouldn't rely on "save password" to remember passwords. Especially for an encrypted drive
[15:32] <hggdh> leftyfb: indeed. There are password managers for that
[15:32] <leftyfb> or, I don't know, remembering the password to drive encryptions
[15:33] <leftyfb> that's not like gmail where you can click "forgot my password"
[15:34] <hggdh> Usually password changes for LUKS were (are?) done outside seahorse
[15:34] <leftyfb> hggdh: I'm pretty sure you are right. I'm pretty sure if that guy had tried my suggestion of running cryptsetup and used his old password, he'd probably get in
[15:35] <leftyfb> and since he messaged me to call me an asshole, I could verywell walk him through that.
[15:35] <hggdh> I do sort of agree this is a bug, there should be a way to synchronise it
[15:36] <hggdh> anyways, he is back in the channel, but keeping silent for now. Let's see how it goes
[15:36] <leftyfb> feel free to use my suggestion if he asks again ...


[09:38] <Kilos> hmm...
[09:42] <magespawn> Kilos wget is running without any errors
[09:43] <Kilos> lekker tool hey
[09:43] <Kilos> and you get to feel real geeky
[09:43] <magespawn> indeed will have to wait and see if the iso is corrupted or not
[09:43] <Kilos> mind that pro he wants to keep wget for himself
[09:44] <Kilos> it will be fine im sure
[09:44] <Kilos> i dunno what all the other stuff is in man wget but maybe will figure it out one day
[09:46] <Kilos> i think it first scans what you already have before getting more and hopefully in the scan it sees if there are any errors in whats already there
[09:47] <magespawn> this is just for the pro http://xkcd.com/293/
[09:48] <Kilos> hes gone to sleep again
[09:49] <Kilos> hehe
[09:49] <Kilos> old age you know
[09:51] <inetpro> eish! :-)
[09:51] <inetpro> Kilos: that hurt man
[09:57] <magespawn> http://xkcd.com/306/
[09:57] <magespawn> see what is happening now
[09:58] <tumbleweed> Kilos: good, thanks
[09:59] <Kilos> sorry inetpro didnt see you there
[10:10] <magespawn> okay last one for today http://xkcd.com/323/
[10:16] <Kilos> lo tonberryE352
[10:42] <Kilos> magespawn, if voyager 42 comes back get him to join the mailing list then he can ask there about the release party in gauteng. i see they got things going
[10:43] <Kilos> ty
[10:43] <Kilos> im just gonna add/remove drives here
[10:44] <Kilos> i dunno if he got the message on the twit place
[10:45] <Kilos> i shouldnt be long
[10:54] <Kilos> hmm... forgot something
[10:57] <magespawn> i gotta go out KIlos bbl
[10:58] <Kilos> ok
[11:07] <jmagunduni> Guys where can i get ubuntu 13.04 CD around capetown?
[11:07] <Kilos> hi jmagunduni welcome to ubuntu-za
[11:08] <Kilos> you have to download the iso. only LTS dvd's will be forthcoming
[11:08] <jmagunduni> thanks Kilos .
[11:08] <Kilos> hang here maybe someone close can help if you have bandwidth probs
[11:09] <Kilos> lotsa ubuntu peeps aroung CT
[11:10] <jmagunduni> yes , i've got bandwidth problem , my internet conn is also Slow.
[11:10] <Kilos> eish everyone is having probs nowadays i think
[11:10] <Kilos> our internet is very sick
[11:11] <Kilos> are you on ubuntu at the moment?
[11:11] <tumbleweed> jmagunduni: http://lists.clug.org.za/pipermail/clug-announce/2013-April/000677.html if you want to come to that, this evening, there's an Ubuntu mirror in the building
[11:12] <jmagunduni> i was on ubuntu ! in 2011 , but had to remove it for my final year project.
[11:13] <Kilos> ah well as soon as you have it installed make this your favourite hang out
[11:14] <jmagunduni> @tumbleweed , but im not a UCT student , is this open to the public?.
[11:14] <Kilos> you dont need the @ here
[11:14] <Kilos> you a twitter fan
[11:15] <Kilos> if the weed says come then go
[11:15] <jmagunduni> yes i am y?
[11:15] <Kilos> we just use nicks without the @
[11:16] <jmagunduni> oh ok . thanks kilos.
[11:16] <Kilos> yw
[11:16] <tonberryE352> @ Kilos: why not?
[11:16]  * tonberryE352 ducks
[11:16] <tumbleweed> jmagunduni: yes, it's open to the public
[11:17] <Kilos> lol @ tonberryE352
[11:18] <Kilos> does it bloep if you dont put a space after the @
[11:19] <Kilos> yay another ubuntero
[11:19] <jmagunduni> thanks   ... should i bring my ID ?
[11:20] <tonberryE352> it wont tab complete without the space
[11:20] <tonberryE352> no idea if it makes a noise or not
[11:20] <Kilos> ok Tonberry_ thats why not, you can stop ducking now
[11:20] <Kilos> hehe
[11:21] <Kilos> the bloeps call me if im not near
[11:21] <Kilos> ai! wrong tonberryE352
[11:22] <Kilos> when your eyes get bad you rely on your ears
[11:26] <tumbleweed> jmagunduni: no, it's just a Cape Linux User Group meeting
[11:27] <tumbleweed> bring a laptop, if you want to download a Ubuntu DVD
[11:28] <jmagunduni> wow  thanks! :-)
[11:36] <Kilos> jmagunduni, you are at the right place at the right time hey
[11:48] <Kilos> how much data can go onto a dvd?
[11:49] <Kilos> making a remastersys dvd of my 12.04
[11:56] <HawkiesZA> 4.7GB?
[11:57] <Kilos> ty HawkiesZA then i hope it doesnt try add in my packages folder on the desktop thats 5.g GB
[11:57] <HawkiesZA> More if you have double sides or double layers
[11:58] <Kilos> i dunno about that stuff
[11:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> you would know if it was dual-layer, they are still crazy expensive
[11:58] <Kilos> oh no these were cheapies
[11:59] <HawkiesZA> Yeah, I've never bought dual layer
[11:59] <HawkiesZA> Then it's most likely 4.7GB
[11:59] <Kilos> cool ty guys
[11:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> disc-burning tools will tell you if you added too much stuff
[11:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> brasero and k3b definitely will, i'd assume any worthwhile tool would tell you
[12:00] <Kilos> im just running it without customising
[12:00] <Kilos> i use k3b find its a bit ahead of brasero
[12:39] <Kilos> remastersys said i need to remove some packages, so i trashed the 5g packages folder off desktop and reran remastersys and the iso is only 1.7gB so all good
[12:39] <Kilos> ty guys
[12:43] <Kilos> now i should be able to install 12.04 without battling to get 3g working
[14:30] <Kilos> bbl
[14:32] <Squirm> lo
[14:39] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[14:39]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[14:39] <inetpro> Kilos: ^^
[14:39] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[14:39] <Maaz> Kilos: Okay
[14:39] <Kilos> pretty please
[14:39] <Kilos> ty inetpro
[14:39] <Kilos> Maaz, large
[14:39] <Maaz> In a beer mug just for you Kilos
[14:41] <inetpro> and no rusks?
[14:41] <Kilos> aw
[14:41] <Kilos> Maaz, rusks please
[14:41] <Maaz> behind the calender on top of the fridge, but dont tell everyone Kilos
[14:41]  * Kilos needs to learn how to make rusks
[14:42] <inetpro> ahh, thanks Kilos
[14:42] <Kilos> hehe you had a good ay inetpro
[14:42] <Kilos> day
[14:42] <inetpro> rustig
[14:42] <Kilos> mooi
[14:43] <Kilos> now i gotta go make pap
[14:43] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro and Kilos!
[14:43] <Kilos> to have with curry
[14:43] <inetpro> Maaz: dankie
[14:43] <Maaz> Groot plesier inetpro my vriend
[14:43] <Kilos> Maaz, thanks
[14:43] <Maaz> Kilos: No problem
[14:43] <Squirm> hey inetpro, Kilos
[14:43] <Kilos> today curry and pap, tomorrow curry and rice
[14:43] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[14:43] <inetpro> eh Squirm
[14:44] <inetpro> Kilos: and Thursday?
[14:44] <Kilos> 12.04 unity is actually quite lekker
[14:44] <Squirm> any idea when the Durban release party is?
[14:44] <Kilos> curry with fried onion and tomato added also with rice or maybe macaroni
[14:45] <Kilos> see nothing in the mail or here Squirm
[14:45] <Squirm> cause weren't they going to be this coming weekend?
[14:46] <Squirm> "Ok, agreed that the 4th of May is a good date.
[14:46] <Squirm>
[14:46] <Squirm> The DLUG spot at Gloria Jeans @ Davenport"
[14:47] <Squirm> according to nuvolari on the list. wonder if it's changed. I may be in Durban this Saturday. But such a thing may bore her :P
[14:53]  * inetpro can see that Kilos likes his curry
[14:53] <inetpro> probably from his Durban days?
[14:53] <Kilos> ya
[14:55] <Squirm> curry wins
[14:57] <Kilos> ohi georgelappies
[14:58] <georgelappies> hi Kilos, how are you doing?
[14:58] <Kilos> ah good indian curry puts hair on your chest
[14:58] <Kilos> good ty and you
[15:00] <georgelappies> good thanks, glad tomorrow is a bit of a break ;)
[15:02] <Kilos> hehe
[15:03] <Squirm> it is?
[15:16] <Kilos> workers day methinks Squirm
[15:17] <Squirm> ah
[15:17] <Squirm> all you people and your public holidays :/
[15:17] <Kilos> not me man every day is the same here
[15:17] <tonberryE352> only people with jobs get to have holidays
[15:18] <Squirm> yet I have a job and still don't have this holiday
[15:18] <Squirm> ok, THIS holiday
[15:18] <Squirm> I guess it gets added to my leave though
[16:07] <magespawn> good evening
[16:11] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[16:12] <magespawn> finished the curry already?
[16:12] <Kilos> ya its ready
[16:12] <Kilos> mouth watering already
[16:12] <magespawn> right i am on my way around then
[16:12] <Kilos> eat after 7dee laan
[16:13] <Kilos> pull in
[16:13] <magespawn> be there in about 8 hours
[16:13] <Kilos> lol long way for a meal
[16:13] <Kilos> yo Trixar_za
[16:13] <Trixar_za> Hey Kilos
[16:13] <Kilos> you missed the new guy today magespawn
[16:13] <Trixar_za> I got the damn bundle a day too early
[16:14] <Kilos> getting new ubuntu at the clug meet tonight
[16:14] <Kilos> aw thats sad Trixar_za
[16:14] <magespawn> I saw the conversation Kilos, pretty cool
[16:14] <Kilos> which bundle
[16:14] <Trixar_za> Oh well, it only expires on 01/06/2013, so that's alright
[16:15] <Trixar_za> 2GB+1GB promo
[16:15] <Kilos> oh ive had to do that too
[16:15] <Trixar_za> You know, they did actually kill it at 8ta since it's a Telkom Mobile deal now
[16:15] <Kilos> maybe thats why its gone so slow
[16:16] <Cantide> hey Kilos :)
[16:16] <Kilos> i was down to 1kB/s last night
[16:16] <Kilos> hi Cantide
[16:16] <Cantide> 'o'
[16:16] <Kilos> 1.6 actually
[16:16] <magespawn> Hey Cantide Trixar_za
[16:16] <Cantide> magespawn, '-'/
[16:17] <magespawn> Trixar_za: the word is that they are supposed to be the same thing
[16:17]  * Cantide shares his bandwidth with Kilos
[16:17] <Trixar_za> Hey magespawn
[16:17] <Kilos> ty Cantide
[16:17] <Cantide> i was getting about 200 Kbps last night, Kilos :<
[16:17] <Kilos> well ive foned and they looking into it
[16:17] <Cantide> gl :-S
[16:17] <Kilos> used to get up to just over 300
[16:17] <Trixar_za> They are magespawn, we all just assumed it meant they were killing the deal completely and not moving it
[16:18] <Kilos> no man kB/s
[16:18] <Kilos> 200kb/s is slow
[16:18] <Cantide> yeah
[16:18] <Cantide> the best i've gotten was 700 Kbps
[16:18] <Kilos> should get over 200 kB/s
[16:18] <Cantide> but that'll all be irrelevant soonish :)
[16:19] <Kilos> lol
[16:20] <Trixar_za> I remember a time where we were content with 10kb/s
[16:20] <Trixar_za> :P
[16:20] <Cantide> lol
[16:20] <Cantide> i remember those days, too :p
[16:20] <Trixar_za> And GPRS was expensive
[16:21] <Kilos> hi deegee
[16:22] <Kilos> oh its the real one
[16:22] <Kilos> hows things Dave
[16:22] <Kilos> eeek
[16:22] <Kilos> Telkom Gets Ex-Vodacom South Africa Head Sipho Maseko as CEO
[16:22] <Kilos> thats why
[16:24] <Kilos> well we rev him and see what happens
[16:25] <drussell> Kilos: hiya, someone squatting on my nick, had to regain it :o)
[16:25] <Kilos> isnt it registered drussell
[16:26] <Kilos> and i think masking also makes it more secure
[16:27] <Kilos> quite a job that though, you gotta ask them ops peeps to mask it for you
[16:28] <drussell> Kilos: yup, it is registered, just had to ghost and then regain it
[16:29] <Kilos> sigh these peeps you know. they get a message that says the nick is already registered
[16:39] <kbmonkey> hello all
[16:40] <Cantide> hey kbmonkey '<
[16:41] <kbmonkey> just sayin hi, waiting for this encoding to finish
[16:41] <kbmonkey> its 'friday' :)
[16:42] <Cantide> :)
[16:42] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey
[16:42] <kbmonkey> I see you said hi to me yesterday, I was away. Hi :)
[16:42] <Kilos> lol
[16:43] <kbmonkey> ^ Kilos that is
[16:43] <Kilos> rather late than never
[16:43] <Kilos> ill get you back dont worry
[16:43] <kbmonkey> bha ha ha
[16:43] <Kilos> hehe
[16:44] <kbmonkey> I'm off, going to collect food.
[16:44] <kbmonkey> may be back later
[16:44] <kbmonkey> too de loo
[16:45] <Kilos> cheers kbmonkey be good
[16:45] <Cantide> see ya :p
[16:59] <magespawn> Kilos: the wgetting is done
[16:59] <Kilos> lekker and all good hey?
[17:00] <Kilos> wget rocks
[17:00] <Kilos> and sometime try k3b, imo its better than brasero
[17:01] <magespawn> not sure, said "Scheme missing." at the endso i'll do the md5 and see
[17:04] <Kilos> aw
[17:06] <Kilos> but if you got uncapped how come you didnt just download from scratch?
[17:08] <Kilos> i wonder if one could fsck something like that
[17:19] <magespawn> i probable will download again anyway, but it is worth the exercise to find out what is possible
[17:19] <Kilos> yeah
[17:20] <Kilos> next tiem wget it from scratch
[17:20] <Kilos> time
[17:23] <magespawn> indeed
[17:25] <Kilos> hi gwood
[17:25] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[17:26] <Kilos> hi smile4ever
[17:27] <Kilos> oh magespawn if it dont work try the zsync command as well for interests sake
[17:27] <Kilos> and ask the clever peeps if one can fsck an iso
[17:31] <smile4ever> hi kilos :)
[17:32] <gwood> tumbleweed: hey, hope i did not miss too much at todays CLUG, sad i could not make it :'(
[17:35] <Kilos> magespawn, are you doing the md5 ting or is that for tomorrow
[17:36] <magespawn> bit tires Kilos, and now also reading about Nagios
[17:36] <Kilos> ah
[17:36] <Kilos> ok keep me in suspense
[17:47] <superfly> magespawn: have you looked at something like untangled?
[17:47]  * magespawn goes to google
[17:48] <magespawn> no superfly, like nagios?
[17:48] <superfly> untangled is an "appliance"
[17:49] <superfly> I don't know if it does nagios, I think it's actually a firewall, but there might be similar systems out there
[17:49] <superfly> Maaz: WAYTTD
[17:49] <Maaz> superfly: WAYTTD is What Are You Trying To Do?
[17:49] <superfly> magespawn: ^^
[17:50] <magespawn> was just looking into a server monitering and network monitering
[17:50] <magespawn> tool
[17:51] <magespawn> is this it http://www.untangle.com/ ?
[18:16] <jmagunduni> anybody home.
[18:16] <Kilos> hi jmagunduni
[18:16] <Kilos> whats news, you got your ubuntu?
[18:17] <Kilos> there is always someone here , you just gotta be patient at times cause they are busy
no man, but some guy promised me that he will make a copy for me tommorow.
[18:19] <Kilos> aw
[18:19] <Kilos> but tomorrow is good hey?
[18:19] <magespawn> all good things are worth waiting for
[18:20] <Kilos> did you get to meet tumbleweed  jmagunduni ?
[18:22] <jmagunduni> eish ! dude hehe .. i went to rondebosh went on asking ppl where UCT is ! no 1 was will to tell me any thing so i had to turn back.im so disapointed really!
[18:23] <Kilos> ah sorry to hear that
[18:24] <jmagunduni> eish ! im cool man. but atleast some one is going to lend me a cooy , so i cool.
[18:24] <jmagunduni> "im"
[18:25] <magespawn> isn't the meeting tonight?
[18:25] <Kilos> you should popped on here and aksed for directions. im sure someone knows
[18:25] <magespawn> google if no body else
[18:25] <Kilos> i think they arew there now
[18:26] <Kilos> depends how long they keep going
[18:29] <jmagunduni> bra i did... but no1 was willing to show me directions , dont worry i will show up next time.
[18:29] <Kilos> not_found, you still here? what you on holiday
[18:29] <jmagunduni> bra i did... but no1 was willing to show me directions , dont worry i will show up next time.
[18:30] <jmagunduni> bra i did... but no1 was willing to show me directions , dont worry i will show up next time.
[18:30] <magespawn> no worries jmagunduni
[18:30] <Kilos> hehe what happened
[18:30] <Kilos> bit of a lag
[18:31] <jmagunduni> no just started working here last month .. so im new ...
[18:32] <Kilos> ah where are you from
[18:32] <Kilos> easy to get lost when new in an area
[18:32] <jmagunduni> originally from Limpopo, studied in JHB now im here.
[18:33] <Kilos> whew long way from home
[18:33] <Kilos> are you here now with your browser?
[18:33] <smile4ever> bye :)
[18:33] <Kilos> toosd smile4ever
[18:33] <Kilos> toods too
[18:34] <smile4ever> good night
[18:34] <smile4ever> :)
[18:34] <jmagunduni> yes why?
[18:35] <jmagunduni> NOOOO im mean in CPT lol
[18:35] <Kilos> you can install xchat on windows which will give you a proper irc client
[18:36] <jmagunduni> ok let me try to do that ,
[18:36] <Kilos> magespawn, is there still a free xchat for win?
[18:36] <Kilos> Maaz, google free xchat for windows
[18:36] <Maaz> Kilos: "X-Chat 2 for Windows" http://www.silverex.org/ :: "Download - X-Chat 2 for Windows" http://www.silverex.org/download/ :: "HexChat" http://hexchat.org/ :: "XChat for Windows" http://xchat.org/windows/ :: "XChat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XChat :: "Windows - How to get XChat for free! - YouTube"
[18:36] <Maaz> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5YgBkpZMT8 :: "XChat 2 Build Lineup for Windows" http://b0at.tx0.org/xchat/ :: "Fre…
[18:36] <magespawn> yes but it is called ychat i think
[18:36] <superfly> seriously? you couldn't find UCT?
[18:37] <superfly> Maaz: google for directions to UCT cape town
[18:37] <Maaz> superfly: "University of Cape Town / Contacts & maps / Directions to UCT" http://www.uct.ac.za/contact/directions/ :: "University of Cape Town / Contacts & maps / Campus maps" http://www.uct.ac.za/contact/campus/ :: "University of Cape Town / Contacts & maps / General contacts" http://www.uct.ac.za/contact/ :: "University of Cape Town / Contacts & maps / Route
[18:37] <Maaz> maps" http://www.uct.ac.za/contact/route/ :: "University of Cape Town / Applying to UCT / App…
[18:37] <jmagunduni> bra it happens when you are new bra!
[18:38] <superfly> jmagunduni: firstly, I'm not a piece of your lingerie, and secondly all you need to do is put your fingers on a keyboard and google it
[18:39] <jmagunduni> O_O  lol jah neh.
[18:39] <Kilos> we  dont normally use slang here
[18:40] <Kilos> but we do use afrikaans at times
[18:41] <superfly> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/04/first-website-ever-goes-back-online-on-the-open-webs-20th-birthday/
[18:42] <Kilos> Banlam, you got network probs tonight
[18:47] <Kilos> interesting so www. is twenty today
[18:55] <Kilos> hehe you scared him away superfly
[18:58] <Kilos> did you install xchat now jmagunduni ?
[18:58] <jmagunduni> im still downloading.
[19:00] <Kilos> ok shout if you need help setting it up
[19:01] <jmagunduni> download complete, what do i have to do next
[19:01] <Kilos> ok run it
[19:02] <jmagunduni> i did..
[19:02] <Kilos> first page the opens scroll down to freenode and tick once on freenode then tick edit on the right
[19:03] <Kilos> in favourite channels type in #ubuntu-za
[19:03] <jmagunduni> ok
[19:03] <Kilos> and if you have an irc password enter it lower down
[19:03] <Kilos> also you put in your nick at the top
[19:04] <Kilos> then close that page and tick connect
[19:14] <inetpro> superfly: nice link that... 20 years went by way to quickly
[19:14] <superfly> *too
[19:14] <inetpro> oops, right
[19:17] <inetpro> Kilos: wat is jy so stil nou?
[19:18] <Kilos> hmm...
[19:18] <Kilos> ek wag om te sien wat gebeur
[19:18] <Kilos> slowly we are getting the lug peeps here
[19:18] <inetpro> Kilos: what did you do?
[19:19] <Kilos> when inetpro ?
[19:19] <inetpro> Kilos: to get them joining here
[19:19] <Kilos> everything is working here
[19:19] <Kilos> oh no one was looking for the weed
[19:19] <jmagunduni> thanks kilos it worked.
[19:19] <Kilos> other one is new
[19:20] <Kilos> yw jmagunduni
[19:20] <inetpro> wb jmagunduni
[19:20] <Kilos> now when you want to type someones nick you type the first 3letters and hit tab
[19:21] <Kilos> it will sort uppercase out for you
[19:21] <jmagunduni> oh ok thanks man
[19:21] <Kilos> just as well that nick of yours would wear out my fingers
[19:21] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[19:22]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[19:22] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[19:22] <Maaz> Kilos: There's already a pot on. If you ask nicely, maybe you can have a cup
[19:22] <Kilos> Maaz, sorry
[19:22] <Maaz> Don't be sorry Kilos Be careful.
[19:22] <jmagunduni> Kilos, :) its long i know.
[19:22] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[19:22] <Maaz> Kilos: Done
[19:22] <Kilos> the tab complete makes it easier jmagunduni
[19:23] <jmagunduni> Kilos, very easy ... so how long have you been using ubuntu?
[19:23] <inetpro> now if only I could preserve my firewall rules on my router
[19:23] <Kilos> i think 3 or 4 years now
[19:24] <Kilos> and pc's a year longer
[19:24] <Kilos> first year was only playing games
[19:24] <jmagunduni> Kilos, i started with ubuntu 9.10
[19:24] <inetpro> superfly: who was the BusyBox fundi here?
[19:25] <Kilos> i started with 8.04 which i couldnt get online with then went to 8.10 and never looked back
[19:25] <Kilos> lucky i had peeps to help with cds
[19:25] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro and Kilos!
[19:26] <Kilos> Maaz, danke
[19:26] <inetpro> Maaz: dankie
[19:26] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[19:26] <Maaz> Groot plesier inetpro my vriend
[19:26] <jmagunduni> Kilos, do you like Unity thou?
[19:26] <Kilos> yes the 12.04 version. 13.04 has too much eye candy
[19:26] <Kilos> i also use kubuntu
[19:27] <Kilos> i also had to modify unity to give me 10 workspaces
[19:27] <Kilos> hehe everyone says im mad
[19:28] <Kilos> the old ubuntus using gnome2 were easier for me but they all expired now
[19:29] <jmagunduni> Kilos, :-) you are not alone people think i am obsessed
[19:29] <Kilos> lol with what?
[19:30] <magespawn> home time, later all
[19:30] <Kilos> inetpro, chickens news?
[19:30] <Kilos> cheers magespawn go safe
[19:30] <Kilos> whew you late
[19:30] <inetpro> Kilos: had my gardener up in arms today
[19:30] <Kilos> tell
[19:30] <jmagunduni> Kilos,  with Ubuntu .
[19:31] <Kilos> oh ya me too
[19:31] <Kilos> ubuntu rocks
[19:31] <inetpro> Kilos: it caught another chicken and was eating it high up in the tree right in front of him
[19:32] <Kilos> ai!
[19:32] <Kilos> you gonna have to keep them locked up till you rid of it
[19:33] <inetpro> exactly
[19:34] <superfly> inetpro: that monkey again?
[19:34] <jmagunduni> Kilos, when i first installed it, it gave me problems with codecs then i discovered SuperOS which is like  Ubuntu with codecs , but i think that its no longer supported.
[19:34] <Kilos> actually you can get sleeping pills
[19:34] <inetpro> superfly: yep
[19:34] <Kilos> um
[19:35] <Kilos> those with pam in them
[19:35] <Kilos> temazepam etc
[19:35] <superfly> inetpro: i would see if I can find a humane way to deal with it, if possible
[19:35] <Kilos> the kill one chicken and put pills under skin all over and leave it thwere he can get it
[19:35] <superfly> maybe see if there's somewhere you can relocate it to?
[19:36] <Kilos> then when he sleeps put him in cage and take far away
[19:36] <Kilos> even the zoo
[19:37] <Kilos> its costing you money that thing
[19:38] <inetpro> Kilos: as far as I'm aware even the neighbor has started making plans to catch it
[19:38] <inetpro> obviously it's been causing havoc there as well
[19:39] <Kilos> i would try grub it the take to zoo when asleep
[19:39] <Kilos> drug
[19:39] <Kilos> i think any sleeping pills should work
[19:40] <inetpro> it's only the last few days that we have really seen it on a daily basis now, will really have to make a plan now
[19:40] <Kilos> but at this rate you gonna have nothing left soon
[19:41] <inetpro> sure
[19:42] <inetpro> now if only I could catch it on camera so we can identify it first
[19:43] <Kilos> dont worry about identifying it first. catch it first then the zoo will tell you what it is
[19:43] <Kilos> add up the chickens gone so far and see how much data you could get with the value
[19:44] <Kilos> or even onderstepoort
[19:44] <Kilos> they take in animals like that i h=think
[19:44] <Kilos> and they near to you
[19:44] <inetpro> :-)
[19:44] <Kilos> ai! he smiles
[19:45]  * inetpro smiles about "how much data you could get with the value"
[19:45] <Kilos> ah
[19:46] <Kilos> chickens arent cheap anymore
[19:47] <inetpro> Kilos: what do you pay for Bantams?
[19:47] <Kilos> must be at least R20 each
[19:47] <inetpro> sjoe
[19:47] <Kilos> more if they pure breds
[19:48] <inetpro> no these are real basters
[19:48] <Kilos> the 20 bug food value
[19:48] <inetpro> what is that, hybrids?
[19:48] <Kilos> cross breedsa
[19:48] <Kilos> breeds
[19:49] <inetpro> Maaz: define hybrid
[19:49] <Maaz> inetpro: Hybrid \Hy"brid\, a. 1. Produced from the mixture of two genetically distinct strains; as, plants of hybrid nature. [1913 Webster]  2. derived by a mixture of characteristics from two distinctly different sources; as, a hybrid musical style; a hybrid DNA molecule. [PJC], Hybrid \Hy"brid\, n. [L. hybrida, hibrida, prob. allied to Gr. ? wantonness (as if
[19:49] <Maaz> unbridled, lawless, unnatural), perh. akin to Gr. "ype`r over, E. over: cf. F. hybride.] 1. …
[19:49] <Kilos> check the price of chicken in checkers and work it out
[19:50] <Kilos> haha makes me think of my ex in utrecht
[19:50] <inetpro> they are very light, can't be a lot of meat on them
[19:51] <Kilos> she would sit all day selling my broilers then go buy a chicken from the supermarket for supper
[19:51] <Kilos> 1/2 kg
[19:51] <inetpro> sjoe
[20:00] <Kilos> i go sleep now. night all. sleep tight
[20:46] <jmagunduni> good night everone


[06:48] <tiko> In the Lubuntu Manual, topic 2.3.3 Brightness should be changed to 3.2.3, a typ. Thanks.
[06:49] <tiko> a typ0
[07:25] <guiverc> thank you tiko, at what URL is the issue at, I've not found it yet
[07:26] <guiverc> sorry I see it now, thank you tiko !
[07:29] <tiko> You are welcome, thanks for the reply regarding my question on askubuntu about the theme.


[10:02] <BlackDex> good morning
[10:03] <BlackDex> i'm having some trouble with commisioning of a few nodes
[10:03] <BlackDex> ureadahead:/etc/machine-id: Error retrieving chunk extents: Operation not supporte
[10:04] <BlackDex> getting messages like that all over the log
[13:52] <mup> Bug #1708925 changed: [2.2] ambiguous error when pod missing pool definition: int() argument must be a string, a bytes-like object or a number, not 'NoneType' <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1708925>
[14:28] <mup> Bug #1709095 opened: Commissioning fails when cloud init can't find a data source <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1709095>
[14:37] <mup> Bug #1709095 changed: Commissioning fails when cloud init can't find a data source <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1709095>
[14:52] <mup> Bug #1709095 opened: Commissioning fails when cloud init can't find a data source <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1709095>


[02:18] <bob1> I downloaded and installed Mint 14, then through Synaptic downloaded Ubuntuone control panel. I have also  downloaded through Mint's  "Software Manager".  Ubuntuone doesn't show up anywhere in the "applications". Your asistance most appreciated.


[05:39] <Unit193> Howdy s9iper1.
[05:40] <s9iper1>  unit193: i think i have done it before i have also identify my account
[05:43] <s9iper1> with my email adress
[05:49] <s9iper1> alanbell
[05:49] <s9iper1> :
[06:33] <Tm_T> morning
[06:36] <Unit193> Guten Nacht.
[06:47] <JoseeAntonioR> Tm_T: would you mind a PM?
[06:47] <Tm_T> sure
[08:23] <s9iper1> hello every body any body help me in getting ubuntu cloack
[08:23] <s9iper1> ?
[08:41] <jussi> s9iper1: you need to post your launchpad url and wait for a IRCC member
[08:42] <s9iper1> here is my launchpad url https://launchpad.net/~s9iper1
[08:43] <jussi> s9iper1: you need to log into your nick
[08:43] <jussi> do you remember your password?
[08:43] <s9iper1> yes how can i log in to my nick now
[08:43] <s9iper1> ?
[08:44] <s9iper1> jussi:
[08:44] <Unit193> You would normally type  /msg nickserv identify your-password   with no leading space.
[08:44] <jussi> s9iper1: just type:  /msg nickserv identify typeyourpassword
[08:44] <AlanBell> s9iper1: hi
[08:45] <s9iper1> hello Alanbell
[08:46] <s9iper1> yes i login now ?
[08:46] <JoseeAntonioR> s9iper1: the cloak won't take effect unless you identify
[08:47] <s9iper1> i have now loged in to my nick now
[08:47] <Unit193> Not yet...
[08:48] <s9iper1> my name is also written in the list on channels
[08:49] <s9iper1> unit193 this is written there "Received a CTCP VERSION from Unit193"
[08:50] <s9iper1> Alanbell: ping
[08:52] <JoseeAntonioR> s9iper1: you need to identify into your nickserv account. Please type "/msg nickserv help identify" for further instructions
[08:56] <AlanBell> !register
[08:57] <jussi> AlanBell: he is registered, just not identified
[08:57] <s9iper1> Allanbell: i dont understand what should i type i have done but its not working and i have already reg my nick
 [03:52:44] s9iper1: you need to identify into your nickserv account. Please type "/msg nickserv help identify" for further instructions
[09:06] <s9iper1> Allanbell i have done that procedure which you have given me the link for reg
[09:07] <JoseeAntonioR> Seems like he doesn't want to listen to me. Tried to help, anyways.
[09:08] <s9iper1> sir i a listening you but i have done what you said but i guess i am missing some thing i dont know what
[09:08] <s9iper1> JoseeAntonioR:
[09:09] <s9iper1> i write this in freenode /msg s9iper1 IDENTIFY password
[09:09] <s9iper1> as you said
[09:10] <s9iper1> JoseeAntonioR:
[09:10] <AlanBell> no s9iper1
[09:10] <JoseeAntonioR> s9iper1: If you've read NickServ's instructions, you would've noticed you need to msg NickServ, not you
[09:11] <JoseeAntonioR>  /msg nickserv identify password
[09:11] <AlanBell> "/msg nickserv identify" <- type that bit exactly like that, then follow it with your password
[09:11] <JoseeAntonioR> (sorry for the late reply, JoseeAntonioR is using a mobile client)
[09:13] <AlanBell> "nickserv" is the name of a bot that you need to send a message to in order to log in
[09:13] <s9iper1> ohh my password is not working
[09:14] <JoseeAntonioR> then, I think a password reset email is needed
[09:14] <JoseeAntonioR> staff, ^
[09:15] <s9iper1> wait i will be back
[09:15] <s9iper1> thanks so much
[09:17]  * JoseeAntonioR is heading to bed now
[09:43] <s9iper1> Allanbell now i am login nickserv has replied me after writting this
[09:44] <s9iper1> Alanbell:
[09:45] <AlanBell> so you are \o/
[09:45] <s9iper1> AlanBell: sorry
[09:45] <s9iper1> now what to do
[09:45] <AlanBell> staff can we have an ubuntu/member/s9iper1 cloak for s9iper1 please
[09:45] <s9iper1> ?
[09:45] <AlanBell> s9iper1: hang about for a bit and you will have a shiny new cloak
[09:48] <Fuchs> AlanBell: done
[09:48] <Fuchs> s9iper1: congratulations, your cloak is now set
[09:48] <AlanBell> thanks Fuchs
[09:48] <Fuchs> and with this said, I'll leave you. Poke one of my colleagues if I broke something :p
[09:49] <s9iper1> ok thanks very much :)
[10:05] <s9iper1> AlanBell: do i need to enter password each time while getting login as ubuntu member ?
[10:06] <AlanBell> you can put it in your irc client somewhere normally and it will log in for you
[10:07] <s9iper1> hmm ok thanks


[22:14] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue726 up for review abd final edits - I got a stuffy head cold - close proofreading is in order: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue726 :D
[22:18] <krytarik> Bashing-om: Should be uppercase "Kellermann" in the Dirty Pipe summary.
[22:23] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Thanks - fixing :D
[22:35] <Bashing-om> UWN: Next edits ?


[20:42] <gehidore> so much activity I can barely keep track of it ;)
[21:56] <kirvesAxe> So a wild guess to your question might just be "No" :)
[22:06] <gehidore> :)
[22:09] <gehidore>  I'm inclined to order one however I've been burned before by US model vs International and compatibility with projects, I'll continue the hunt on the forums and such


[11:30] <rsajdok> Could someone point out me what can be wrong? http://imgur.com/M23PEFY
[11:31] <daker> rsajdok: django not djano
[11:34] <rsajdok> daker: ok, thanks :)
[13:13] <rsajdok> Does "./manage.py shell, sql" refer to a models or a database?
[14:39] <JoseeAntonioR> daker: ping
[14:39] <daker> JoseeAntonioR: yo
[14:39] <JoseeAntonioR> daker: mind a PM?
[14:39] <daker> sure


[01:07] <mup> PR snapd#9016 closed: secboot: improve key sealing tests <Test Robustness> <UC20> <Created by cmatsuoka> <Merged by cmatsuoka> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9016>
[03:38] <mup> PR snapd#9058 closed: tests: drop accidental accents from e <Simple 😃> <Created by zyga> <Merged by cmatsuoka> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9058>


[00:22] <thinkmassive> I've been trying to register on the forums using the same name I use on here, and I finally realized that it's probably being disallowed because of a vulgarity filter... any idea who I can contact to manually create an account? :)
[00:36] <thinkmassive> woohoo, finally got it fixed :)
[01:13] <jokoon> I have a powerpc laptop machine and when I play several movies, only 1 has sound played...
[01:46] <amidaniel> Hey everyone. I'm having some really weird issues with xubuntu .. this is a relatively clean Ubuntu hardy install that I recently installed xubuntu-desktop on. The first boot into an xfce desktop, it worked fine .. now suddenly all of my windows have no decoration (titlbar, etc.), cannot be moved, closed, etc. .. and open in the top left corner
[01:46] <amidaniel> Any ideas what might be causing this? .. compiz is disabled
[02:18] <LetsGo67> Why is my recordMyDesktop video laggy? I have 3GB of RAM!
[04:18] <Mannequin> don't know what's going on: I just restarted and now i don't have any panel/desktop
[04:18] <Mannequin> but because I left pidgin open on the last session, I was able to connect here, luckily
[04:19] <Mannequin> so, how could I restart all the XFCE thing from a console?
[04:19] <Mannequin> (will be back shortly)
[04:21] <Mannequin> I've tried restarting X and choosing a Xfce session, but no luck
[04:22] <Mannequin> ok, running xfce4-panel, panels are back
[04:22] <Mannequin> but desktop is still missing
[04:23] <Mannequin> ok, I've got my desktop too
[06:00] <Mimo> hello
[06:01] <Mimo> HEllo ?
[06:01] <Mimo> HELlo ?
[06:03] <Mimo> any1 here ?
[06:04] <Mimo> any1 help ?
[08:16] <Ahmuck> where in xubuntu is the place to change the video driver and resoltuion?
[08:16] <Ahmuck> monitor
[08:39] <wols> xorg.conf
[09:46] <Riotta> hello
[09:54] <ari_stress> hi all
[09:54] <ari_stress> if i want to install xubuntu desktop manager without other packages such as goffice, how can i do that? sudo apt-get install xubuntu-dekstop installs all
[10:13] <TheSheep> ari_stress: install xfce4
[10:17] <dingdangdong> i want to use "winkey" to toggle between keyboard layouts, then what should i put instead of shit_alt here ? --> setxkbmap -option grp:switch,grp:alt_shift_toggle us,ir
[10:25] <ari_stress> TheSheep: thanks :)
[10:25] <ari_stress> i was almost fell asleep on my desk
[10:25] <ari_stress> my boss goes out of office
[10:25] <ari_stress> :D
[10:28] <TheSheep> dingdangdong: I guess 'super_'
[10:29] <dingdangdong> just "super_"?
[10:29] <dingdangdong> fine . . , thx :)
[10:36] <TheSheep> super_toggle
[10:36] <TheSheep> I mean
[10:36] <dingdangdong> TheSheep: uhhuh, thx :)
[10:36] <TheSheep> the windows key is called super on linux :)
[10:36] <dingdangdong> paradoxically ;)
[12:28] <FSX_> Hey, can someone help with vnc?
[12:28] <vinnl> FSX_, depends on your problem ;-)
[12:29] <FSX_> Well, I'm trying to connect to xubuntu with my windows pc
[12:29] <FSX_> But realvnc says: The connection closed unexpectedly
[12:31] <FSX_> When I type 'xvnc4viewer localhost' on the xubuntu pc I get the same message.
[12:36] <TheSheep> !vnc
[12:39] <FSX_> Hmm k, I think I'll just use putty
[12:40] <jest123> hi, I am having some problems authenticating packages e.g. http://paste.ubuntu.com/34384/ any ideas?
[12:51] <wols> jest123: install ubuntu-keyring
[12:51] <jest123> wols: thanks!
[12:58] <jest123> ok I reinstalled (it was there already) but persists! so... could it be the rep? ( http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com hardy/multiverse Packages)
[13:08] <wols> possibly
[13:08] <wols> ubuntu should have working keyrings by default for all major repos
[13:11] <jest123> wols: ok thanks, I am also using the same distro to another pc which doesn't have any problems, I 'll try to compare them
[13:25] <jest123> wols: fixed by choosing a different uk rep (oxford's mirror) thanks!
[13:45] <Kardoso> hi
[13:45] <vinnl> Hey Kardoso
[13:45] <Kardoso> Hey Vinnl :)
[13:48] <Kardoso> Should I install Xubuntu to my another computer: 1 GB RAM, 5 GB space, Intel Celeron 4,0 Ghz, slow videocard
[13:49] <Kardoso> ?
[13:49] <vinnl> If you'd like to ;-)
[13:49] <Kardoso> the harddisk is: Seagate 40 GB, but its five years old :S
[13:50] <Kardoso> I want to install with wubi
[13:51] <Kardoso> Should I do it?
[13:51] <vinnl> Again, if you feel like it. I think it should be possible
[13:52] <Kardoso> Ok. thanks
[13:52] <vinnl> With emphasis on *think* ;-)
[13:52] <Kardoso> :)
[13:55] <Kardoso> Does Xubuntu support all of theese: USB based hard disk (mobile HDD), pendrive, USB hub?
[13:55] <vinnl> The last two definitely, I don't know what the first one is so I can't tell
[13:56] <Kardoso> I have an old webcam, and the install CD is lost. Will Xubuntu support it? (its a Nortek webcam, three years old)
[13:56] <Kardoso> The mobile HDD rack is: SinanPower      The winchester inside it: Samsung 360 GB SATA
[13:57] <vinnl> You never need a CD - Xubuntu ships its own drivers for a range of supported webcams
[13:57] <vinnl> So if your webcam is in that range (if it's old: probably, I'd guess) then it will work
[13:58] <Kardoso> vinnl: really?? it would be great. Windows Vista dont support this webcam :)
[13:58] <vinnl> No guarantees ;-)
[13:58] <vinnl> Kardoso, you could download a livecd and test it :)
[13:58] <Kardoso> Vinnl: ok :)
[13:58] <Kardoso> Oh hi Charlie-tca ;)
[13:59] <charlie-tca> Hi, Kardoso
[13:59] <Kardoso> Vinnl: Can you should me an MSN client that support videochat?
[13:59] <vinnl> Hmm, tricky
[13:59] <vinnl> I believe aMSN supported it
[13:59] <vinnl> \0/
[14:00] <Kardoso> Can I download it from Synaptics?
[14:00] <vinnl> It does, but it's the only one that does AFAIK
[14:00] <vinnl> Yep
[14:00] <vinnl> And if not, they have an Ubuntu installer at their website
[14:00] <vinnl> Oh wait, they don't anymore :P
[14:00] <Kardoso> What is 'AFAIK'?
[14:00] <Kardoso> vinnl: why?
[14:00] <Kardoso> they are going back in the time? :)
[14:01] <Kardoso> or what
[14:01] <vinnl> As far as I know
[14:01] <vinnl> Ubuntu already has the latest version so there's no need to, I see ;-)
[14:01] <vinnl> (Building packages also needs manpower)
[14:01] <Kardoso> But I want install Xubuntu. Is same for Xubuntu too?
[14:02] <vinnl> Yep
[14:02] <vinnl> You can get all software that you can get in Ubuntu on Xubuntu too
[14:02] <Kardoso> How can I install a package if that not in Synaptics? ...
[14:02] <vinnl> If you have a package you can just double-click it
[14:02] <Kardoso> ... I have an Azureus 2.5 version, because I dont like the 3.0 version
[14:03] <Kardoso> Its a tar.bz2
[14:03] <vinnl> Then you'd need to compile from source which requires some skill, but apparently Ubuntu has 2.5
[14:03] <vinnl> <IP_ADDRESS> to be precise
[14:03] <Kardoso> If I click it the archive-manager open. (sorry if I was incorrect, it happened long time ago)
[14:04] <vinnl> Yeah a tar.bz2 is like a .zip
[14:04] <Kardoso> How can I add it to Synaptics?
[14:04] <vinnl> It already is in Synaptic
[14:04] <Kardoso> Really? great
[14:04] <Kardoso> thanks
[14:04] <vinnl> np :)
[14:05] <Kardoso> Why is the "Search for updates" updates unavaible in Firefox? (sorry if I incorrect I have different lang of Firefox)
[14:06] <vinnl> Because you automatically get your updates through Ubuntu's update service
[14:06] <vinnl> (If needed)
[14:06] <Kardoso> Oh! :) thx
[14:07] <Kardoso> Is 1 GB RAM enough for Xubuntu?
[14:07] <vinnl> Yeah, I'm running on 0.5 GB
[14:08] <Kardoso> Ok.
[14:09] <Kardoso> Is Xubuntu "care" with the hard disk? Because XP and Vista has 'virtual memory' feature but it's not the best for a five years old hard disk..
[14:10] <vinnl> No idea, I guess so :P
[14:10] <Kardoso> ok
[14:10] <Kardoso> Can I access to NTFS partitions?
[14:11] <vinnl> Yep, if you use the latest version
[14:11] <vinnl> (of Xubuntu)
[14:11] <Kardoso> please wait I check now
[14:11] <vinnl> Which version do you use?
[14:11] <Kardoso> i check now
[14:12] <Kardoso> (if I found my CD) :)
[14:12] <vinnl> :P
[14:14] <Kardoso> good. I found it :)   8.04
[14:15] <vinnl> OK, then you'll have no problems :)
[14:15] <Kardoso> ok :)
[14:15] <Kardoso> in write-able mode?
[14:15] <vinnl> Yep
[14:15] <Kardoso> Great
[14:15] <Kardoso> Have I install any softwares to do it?
[14:16] <vinnl> Nope, you can do that by default
[14:16] <Kardoso> Great
[14:16] <Kardoso> thank you
[14:16] <vinnl> No problem :)
[14:17] <Kardoso> Actually there is an extra slow Windows XP with lot of trojans. Will Xubuntu be faster?
[14:18] <vinnl> If there are lots of trojans probably yes :)
[14:19] <Kardoso> Yes. I'm not joke, there was 53 trojan. And I did not clean all...
[14:19] <vinnl> 0.o
[14:19] <Kardoso> vinnl: If I install an anti-virus in Xubuntu, can I clean the XP with it?
[14:20] <vinnl> Kardoso, I believe you can, yes, Clam or something (haven't tried it myself)
[14:20] <vinnl> Anyway, I gotta go, my sister's pushing me
[14:20] <vinnl> Good luck :)
[14:20] <Kardoso> Thanks :)
[14:20] <Kardoso> Then bye, have a nice day :)
[14:21] <vinnl> Thanks, same to you :)
[14:29] <Kardoso> charlie-tca: hi. Has Xubuntu 'wubi'? (I want to install inside Windows for test)
[14:30] <charlie-tca> I believe it does. take a look at http://xubuntu.org/ under get "Xubuntu"
[14:31] <Kardoso> What details need I type in "wubi"? (sorry, I did not use wubi anytime, I only used the normal installation)
[14:32] <charlie-tca> I don't know either. I never used it.
[14:32] <Kardoso> ok. sorry then
[14:33] <charlie-tca> It's okay. I'm just playing catch-up on things. I'm doing some remodelling for people and got behind.
[14:34] <Kardoso> I go to try it now
[14:34] <Kardoso> Thank you for help
[14:35] <charlie-tca> Good luck!
[14:35] <Kardoso> Thanks
[14:35] <Kardoso> Have a nice day
[14:35] <Kardoso> bye
[14:35] <charlie-tca> Thank you, you too
[14:35] <charlie-tca> :)
[14:35] <Kardoso> ( i will come back later)
[14:50] <Agent_bob> hello.   when i start xfce4-session  the xfce4-panel program runs then vanishes away    i'm not too familear with xfce    but i can manually restart xfce4-panel and it comes back and stays so what might be causing this ?
[14:55] <Agent_bob> also doesn't seem to save changes
[14:58] <Agent_bob> hmmmm   dead channel
[15:04] <Agent_bob> howto manually save changes?   maybe that would fix it?
[15:07] <mthe> hmm
[15:08] <mthe> Agent_bob frankly i have no idea
[15:08] <mthe>  ^ ^
[15:08] <Agent_bob> mthe well thank you for answering
[15:09] <Agent_bob> i was beginning to think my feet stank
[15:10] <Agent_bob> mthe does this look about normal for starting an xfce session  http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=de58a564 ?
[15:10] <Agent_bob> or are there lots of thing that aren't running ?
[15:15] <Agent_bob> i can't understand it.   the panel comes up and stays about 3 to 5 seconds then it's just gone.   and right click does nothing until i alt+f2 > xfce4-panel     and then the panel is back and right click works
[15:15] <donna10> try to go out  and close computer completely ?
[15:16] <donna10> then open it again ?
[15:16] <Agent_bob> donna10 ?    "reboot fixes everything" ???
[15:17] <donna10> i am beginner also  , but on mine it did
[15:17] <donna10> take good care to get out completely
[15:19] <Agent_bob> i'm not sure what you expect that to do,  i have been starting x then xfce4-session   i can't see how restarting the kernel will help.
[15:20] <donna10> sorry  , i only told you what happened to me
[15:21] <Agent_bob> donna10 ok.  thanks.   and you are probably running hardy   which restarting x may indeed change things in hardy    it seems to be full of M$'ish things.
[15:21] <donna10> nope i am on 7.10
[15:22] <Agent_bob> hmm  odd that it would have an affect on fiesty
[15:23] <Agent_bob> well at any rate,  just to rule out all anomilies,  i'll reboot to prove to my self that it changes nothing  :)))
[15:23] <donna10> try :)  who knows
[15:24]  * Agent_bob thinks he knows....
[15:28] <Agent_bob> and the servey says.  no dice.  exact same thing.
[15:29] <donna10> i am sorry agent
[15:29] <Agent_bob> no need to be.
[15:29] <Agent_bob> you already admited newness
[15:30] <donna10> i am here to learn also
[15:31] <Agent_bob> :)
[15:45] <Agent_bob> hehhe  http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d25f00fe8   now you can be l33t
[15:48] <Agent_bob> slightly more useful   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d4f311b82
[16:03] <JannoTT> How many estimated xubuntu users there are?
[16:06] <Agent_bob> compaired to other *buntu not many
[16:07] <Agent_bob>   this might be handy sometime.   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/pastebin.php?dl=mf4cae99
[16:15] <Agent_bob> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d6d50d02b
[16:17] <Agent_bob> hehhe  http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d16182300
[16:18] <Agent_bob> well im tired of being bored.  going out to where real life is.
[16:20] <JannoTT> Damn real life robbing people
[16:24] <JannoTT> Nice i have 13sec lag (Y)
[17:29] <spaceninja> how well does eeexubuntu work on a eee 900?
[17:31] <JinKazama> hi all :)
[17:33] <decoy91> hi
[17:33] <decoy91> XD
[17:33] <forces> hello
[17:34] <decoy91> :P
[17:35] <jvin248> spaceninja: I'd expect quite well.  I use Xubuntu 8.04 on P3-500Mhz/256MB/6GB HDD laptop ok (also 1Ghz desktop+2.4GHz desktop).  Might be some "driver" specifics in setup but running performance should be great.
[17:37] <spaceninja> ok
[17:38] <decoy91> Sysinfo for 'decoy': Linux 2.6.25-2-486 running KDE 3.5.9, CPU: AMDSempron3500+ at 2004 MHz (4012 bogomips), HD: 50/91GB, RAM: 874/885MB, 104 proc's, 2.33h up
[17:38] <spaceninja> will running xubuntu give you a longer batterylife?
[17:38] <forces> os[Linux 2.6.24-19-generic i686] distro[Debian lenny/sid] cpu[2 x Genuine Intel(R) CPU           T2400  @ 1.83GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 1000MHz] mem[Physical: 1001.6MB, 61.1% free] disk[Total: 109.4GB, 67.1% free] video[Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller] sound[HDA-Intel - HDA Intel]
[17:39] <forces> my battery give me 1 hour 30 minuts
[17:40] <JinKazama> who can I get the sys info form my PC ?
[17:41] <decoy91> :S
[17:41] <forces> how?
[17:41] <JinKazama> haw can I get the sys info form my PC ?
[17:41] <JinKazama> yes ...
[17:42] <JinKazama> imsorry ...  I'll try to write proper :)
[17:48] <JinKazama> so .. haw can I get the sys info form my PC ?
[17:49] <meborc> there is a package called hardinfo
[17:49] <meborc> it is a great app for sys info...
[17:56] <rico> i'm wondering if anyone can tell me why i can't get media to play on just installed wubi?  i installed flash 9-nonfree plugin, totem xine, and swfdec, but still no play... the machine was playing media fine on xp, so the hardware is all *good*
[18:00] <jvin248> rico: search around the ubuntu forums &/or wiki's... there are some good hints there - a full thread or two last time I needed it (about a month ago, but poor memory).
[18:01] <rico> jvin248: any suggestions for search words?
[18:14] <jvin248> rico: This thread looks like one to start with... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=205449  ; then look for topics here http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?s=a78ac3900646bd7a6a304be64de5d66f&f=334
[18:16] <rico> jvin248: thx, i go look
[18:23] <rico> jvin248: does this output tell you anything? http://paste.ubuntu.com/34483/
[18:28] <JinKazama> wow. I get the hardinfo. Its great. But I can run it only with command from Terminal. Is there some another shortcut ?
[18:46] <whyking__> hi
[18:48] <whyking__> how can I choose which source to use when autodetecting with HAL in pulseaudio?
[18:51] <jvin248> rico: You're getting beyond me with the list.  I did use some details on a generic google search "Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 no sound ubuntu" and then added "8.04" to a second search and more specifics were brought up (you may have a different build).
[19:53] <Centaur5> Is there not a GUI for changing the resolution in Xubuntu?  I tried adding a Mode line in xorg.conf but I still don't get the option for 1024x768.
[19:55] <siggjen> Centaur5: settings manager display give me that option
[19:56] <Centaur5> siggjen: Well the Display setting will give the resolutions available but if that resolution isn't in the list how can I get it in the list?
[19:56] <TheSheep> Centaur5: you can use a graphics card and monitor screen that support it
[19:57] <TheSheep> Centaur5: alternatively, if either of the two are badly detected, you can edito xorg.conf and specify the card driver and monitor's refresh rates
[20:01] <Centaur5> I put in a SubSection called Display underneath Screen and added Modes "1024x768" in that SubSection but it still doesn't appear as an option.
[20:01] <Centaur5> I knew how to do this before xorg was dynamic but now it's different.
[20:01] <wols> it's still the exact same way
[20:02] <TheSheep> the syntax is identical
[20:02] <wols> the old xorg.conf also still works
[20:02] <TheSheep> but the modes that are outside your monitor's refresh rates or card's memory are dropped
[20:02] <TheSheep> you can look at the /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see why the modes you specified were dropped
[20:03] <Centaur5> okay, thanks for that info
[20:03] <Centaur5> I'll check that out and see if I can get it to work.
[20:05] <wols> check Xorg.0.log too
[22:31] <Mez> cody-somerville, youre up in #ubuntu-meeting
[22:38] <jsjones> Is it possible to request xubuntu cd's?
[22:39] <zoredache> jsjones: I don't believe so...
[22:40] <vinnl> Nope
[22:40] <jsjones> the iso's that I have been downloading and burning do not work (both ubuntu and xubuntu). I have requested and received an ubuntu cd, but some of the computers I have do not have enough memory for ubuntu
[22:41] <zoredache> I bet there are a couple places where you could buy them pretty cheap
[22:42] <zoredache> jsjones: http://shop.cheapbytes.com/cgi-bin/cart/0070011601.html $3.99
[22:42] <vinnl> What does "do not work" mean?
[22:43] <zoredache> of course you could also try alternate methods like setting up booting from a usb memory stick if the bios supports it
[22:47] <piju-> hello guys
[22:47] <vinnl> Hey piju-
[22:47] <piju-> cool
[22:47] <piju-> everybody is here
[22:48] <vinnl> Who's everybody?
[22:48] <Mez> regarding the FF vs Epiph thing - I find that a strange choice, as FF generally crashes on me more often than not on the eee
[22:49] <vinnl> Mez, the "on me" part is essential :P
[22:49]  * Myrtti huggles epiphany
[22:49] <Mez> vinnl, it crashes due to it eating up memory
[22:49] <Mez> epiphany (ty Myrtti) used in the same way works soo much better
[22:50] <vinnl> Btw, I suppose this is more appropriate for #xubuntu-devel :)
[22:50] <Mez> except I cant find how to set it as the default browser
[22:50] <zoredache> the default where?
[22:51]  * Myrtti tries to resist adding yet another channel to her irssi
[22:51] <vinnl> Mez, if you're using Xubuntu I believe I know where to set that, let me look...
[22:52] <Mez> vinnl, eeexubutu
[22:52] <zoredache> vinnl: you are probably thinging of 'settings manager -> prefered applications'
[22:52] <vinnl> Mez, open the settings manager and click "Preferred applications"
[22:52] <vinnl> zoredache, ^.^
[22:53] <zoredache> the problem is, that only xfce applications seem to honor that setting
[22:53] <Mez> vinnl, ty, :D
[22:53]  * Mez hugs vinnl
[22:53]  * vinnl chokes
[22:53] <vinnl> zoredache, really? That's odd...
[22:53] <zoredache> For example the update-manager always went to firefox... I submitted a bug, and it is supposedly fixed
[22:53] <Myrtti> yeah, I had that too
[22:54] <zoredache> thunderbird always seems to choose firefox, and I haven't found where to tweak that...
[22:58] <Myrtti> oh, that's in about:config;
[22:59] <Myrtti> though I personally moved to clams-mail ♥
[22:59] <Myrtti> er
[22:59] <Myrtti> claws
[23:00] <zoredache> I use webmail 90% of the time, and just use thunderbird for accessing my archive... so it doesn't really matter much...  Really I was giving examples of my point that there isn't really a consistent methods that applications uses to determine the correct browser to launch
[23:00] <Myrtti> yeah
[23:03] <Myrtti> speaking of real issues
[23:03] <Myrtti> I've been unable to get skype working on my xubuntu
[23:03] <TheSheep> Myrtti: any particular error?
[23:04] <Myrtti> I've tried almost any trick found in google but microphone is still mute
[23:05] <Myrtti> skype-static-oss - no luck, pulseaudio - no luck, fooling around with alsamixer ad nauseam - no luck
[23:05] <TheSheep> Myrtti: does it work with other apps?
[23:06] <Myrtti> excellent question :-P
[23:07] <TheSheep> thanks, I'm trying my best :P
[23:07]  * Myrtti huggles TheSheep
[23:08]  * TheSheep dodges
[23:09] <Myrtti> MEH.
[23:10] <TheSheep> Myrtti: no luck?
[23:10] <Myrtti> I think sound-recorder just crashed on me
[23:10] <TheSheep> fun


[02:08] <travisHAZE> Who wants to help me kill my system by helping me learn dangerous ubuntu commands and how to combat them
[02:09] <travisHAZE> I know of fork while fork
[03:13] <mhall119> I don't think fork bombs work anymore
[03:14] <travisHAZE> now I have to test it
[03:14] <mhall119> go for it
[03:14] <travisHAZE> fork didn't work
[03:14] <travisHAZE> Isn't there another way to fork?
[03:14] <mhall119> fork has to work
[03:14] <travisHAZE> No command 'fork' found, did you mean:
[03:15] <mhall119> it's not a command
[03:15] <travisHAZE> Someone on the ubt forums told me not to enter xxx into term
[03:15] <mhall119> man fork
[03:15] <mhall119> don't believe everything you read on the internet
[03:15] <travisHAZE> fair enough
[03:17] <travisHAZE> So lets say I wanted to fork init
[03:17] <travisHAZE> 1_t fork?
[14:24] <maxolasersquad> trav|zzz: Read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fork_bomb all the way down to the end.  It shows how to defuse and prevent Fork Bombs from happening.
[16:06] <maxolasersquad> A week ago I could type in the name of a Nautilus bookmakr into the launcher and a lense would come up with that bookmark.  Starting this week (maybe a little sooner) that is gone.  Anyone know anything about this?
[16:06] <mhall119> maxolasersquad: nope
[16:06] <mhall119> maxolasersquad: on Oneiric or Precise?
[16:35] <maxolasersquad> Oneiric
[16:35] <maxolasersquad> mhall119: ^^
[16:36] <balloons> maxlasersquad: we can check the package updates to see if something changed
[16:37] <balloons> but you can also try creating a new user and see if they exhibit the old behavoir.. Or if your ok with resetting any customizations you've done, you can run unity --reset yourself and get the same effect of resetting your desktop to default
[16:37] <maxolasersquad> I have a bookmark named G: which is a bookmark to the same SAMBA share the Windows users have mapped to their G:\
[16:37] <balloons> if things act properly, then we can assume it's a setting someplace :-)
[16:37] <maxolasersquad> balloons: Interesting.  What kinds of things does it reset?  I don't think I've made any costumizations so I should be safe.
[16:38] <maxolasersquad> Do I need to log out/in for unity --reset to take effect?
[16:39] <balloons> I don't know off the top of my head what all it resets, but I have ran it in the past without issue
[16:39] <balloons> you odn't need to login/logout
[16:39] <balloons> it actually fires up metacity for a minute, then fixes things and finally restarts unity
[16:39] <balloons> pretty slick
[16:42] <maxolasersquad> That was fun, but didn't fix the issue.
[16:43] <balloons> /var/log/dist-upgrade/apt.log
[16:43] <balloons> try checking your recently updated packages then
[16:43] <balloons> and see if something unity or launcher related updated recently
[16:43] <balloons> did you run any updates?
[16:44] <maxolasersquad> I run updates every day, I'm on the dev builds of Firefox and Chromium.
[16:44] <balloons> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingUpdateManager
[16:45] <balloons> whoops.. not what I wanted to link
[16:45] <balloons> /var/log/dist-upgrade/apt.log
[16:46] <balloons> there are some others.. check and see if anything changed recently
[16:46] <DammitJim> ridiculously silly question: how do you use git to get files from a repo?
[16:47] <maxolasersquad> git clone <repo>
[16:47] <maxolasersquad> DammitJim: ^^
[16:47] <DammitJim> oh, clone.. not checkout
[16:47] <DammitJim> thanks
[16:47] <maxolasersquad> Checkout is for switching branches.
[16:47] <maxolasersquad> np.
[16:47] <DammitJim> yikes
[16:50] <maxolasersquad> apt.log only has information from 2011-10-06
[16:50] <maxolasersquad> information for 2011-10-06
[16:50] <maxolasersquad> No other dates in the log.


[16:31] <mup> Bug #2046621 opened: Bind9 stops running then sticks in STARTING state <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2046621>
[16:34] <mup> Bug #2046621 changed: Bind9 stops running then sticks in STARTING state <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2046621>
[16:40] <mup> Bug #2046621 opened: Bind9 stops running then sticks in STARTING state <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2046621>
[17:34] <mup> Bug #2046623 opened: MaaS 3.3 cannot delete empty domain <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2046623>
[17:49] <mup> Bug #2046623 changed: MaaS 3.3 cannot delete empty domain <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2046623>
[17:52] <mup> Bug #2046623 opened: MaaS 3.3 cannot delete empty domain <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2046623>