[11:04] <noaXess_kubuntu> !easysource
[11:04] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[11:07] <Tired_> well, that's about all the questions I can think of...I'll be sure to return if I have any problems :) thanks for the help
[11:08] <Electrolyte> Oh OpenOffice sucks.
[11:09] <Electrolyte> You click on an image within a document, and it crashes.
[11:09] <Electrolyte> Just closes - nothing else.
[11:12] <TheGateKeeper> Electrolyte: this on edgy?
[11:12] <Hobbsee> !pbuilder
[11:12] <ubotu> pbuilder is a system to easily build packages in a clean chroot environment. To get started with PBuilder, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[11:12] <Electrolyte> Yup.
[11:12] <Electrolyte> I also have the font problem too.
[11:12] <Electrolyte> Making it difficult for me to do my college assignment ;(
[11:12] <ubuntu> Is it possible to install kubuntu whit a minimal installsion without kde and X and other applications?
[11:13] <TheGateKeeper> Electrolyte: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-October/022037.html
[11:14] <Electrolyte> Ah, thanks.
[11:14] <TheGateKeeper> Electrolyte: If I get to find a usefull fix it goes here: http://za1012001.googlepages.com/%28k%29ubuntufixes
[11:15] <TheGateKeeper> Electrolyte: yw :-)
[11:15] <Electrolyte> Oh great, my sources list is broke :/
[11:15] <Electrolyte> URGH.
[11:15] <Electrolyte> Now I need to edit it manually to fix it :/
[11:16] <TheGateKeeper> Electrolyte: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_add_extra_repositories
[11:16] <Electrolyte> Where is sources.list?
[11:16] <Electrolyte> Since it's broken apt won't launch.
[11:17] <msl> Electrolyte: /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:17] <Electrolyte> Ty :/
[11:17] <TheGateKeeper> damn I was too slow
[11:18] <gianluca_> Hi to Everybody
[11:19] <Electrolyte> TheGateKeeper: How do I add deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/ubuntu/ edgy/all/?
[11:19] <Electrolyte> the edgy/all/ bit broke the sources list before.
[11:19] <momal> anyone know of a dock bar for kde? similar to kiba-dock but more kde friendly?
[11:19] <AZ_AS> tried an old DOS game in DosBox under Kubuntu, but the only problem is I can't see the cursor so I don't know how to get out of DosBox...suggestions?
[11:22] <TheGateKeeper> Electrolyte: I don't use edgy (at least not yet) so I am not sure that looks like a repo --> http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/ubuntu/edgy/all/
[11:23] <TheGateKeeper> Electrolyte: you have added a space maybe that is the problem
[11:23] <voicu> hi, shouldn't libxine-extracodecs be enough for amarok to play mp3 files?
[11:23] <voicu> i'm using edgy
[11:23] <TheGateKeeper> voicu: yep
[11:23] <abattoir> voicu: yes, it should(as it installs libmad as well)
[11:24] <Electrolyte> TheGateKeeper: No, that isn't the problem.
[11:24] <voicu> btw, what does libmad do why isn't it installed with the other packages when kubuntu is set up?
[11:25] <voicu> *and why
[11:25] <Electrolyte> TheGateKeeper - after you have /ubuntu/ it should be /dist/ then /edgy/
[11:25] <fdoving> Electrolyte: 'deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/ubuntu/edgy/all/ ./'
[11:25] <Electrolyte> K.
[11:25] <Electrolyte> And that broke the list AGAIN.
[11:26] <raulursu> hi  all
[11:26] <fdoving> Electrolyte: no way? what i told you did not break the list, it should work.
[11:26] <Electrolyte> It breaks if you use Adept Manager.
[11:26] <MilhousePunkRock> !multimedia > voicu
[11:27] <Electrolyte> And I'm about to pull my hair out over this programming assignment :<
[11:27] <Electrolyte> I hate .Net so much.
[11:27] <fdoving> I don't belive it breaks with adept manager either.
[11:27] <raulursu> mitza
[11:27] <voicu> thanks but i solved the problem. i forgot that the package i already had was for dapper, not edgy
[11:27] <raulursu> eu as manca o tocanitza
[11:27] <raulursu> tocanitza
[11:27] <voicu> silly me
[11:27] <Electrolyte> TheGateKeeper: It looks like the packages are broken.
[11:27] <Electrolyte> Adept just gave me an error :/
[11:28] <voicu> raulursu, nice to see romanian but try english :D
[11:28] <raulursu> :))
[11:28] <raulursu> k
[11:28] <voicu> it's spelled poradge
[11:28] <raulursu> vocu u are romanian
[11:28] <Electrolyte> TheGateKeeper: Failed to fetch http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/ubuntu/edgy/all/edgy/all/openoffice.org-style-default_2.0.4-2ubuntu0.4_all.deb  404 Not Found
[11:28] <raulursu> voicu u are romanian
[11:28] <Electrolyte> TheGateKeeper: And it does that with all 5 packages :/
[11:28] <voicu> uh, yep
[11:28] <raulursu> y:)
[11:29] <AZ_AS> someone else helped me out so all's well :)
[11:29] <TheGateKeeper> Electrolyte: like I said I don't use edgy this was from someone I know who does, & got it working
[11:30] <raulursu> linux kubuntu is verry nice
[11:30] <georgeb> Electrolyte: the address is wrong, try http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/ubuntu/edgy/all/openoffice.org-common_2.0.4-2ubuntu0.4_all.deb
[11:30] <Electrolyte> I don't want to download all 5 packages manually though.
[11:30] <raulursu> i' tried it last night
[11:31] <georgeb> Electrolyte: in your address edgy/all/ appeares two time
[11:31] <voicu> have you ever used linux before?
[11:31] <Electrolyte> Not in my sources.list it doesn't however georgeb.
[11:31] <TheGateKeeper> Electrolyte: if someone else can fix this & produce a repo it begs the question what are (k)ubuntu playing at!!
[11:32] <Electrolyte> I don't think they have that respository setup correctly :/
[11:33] <Electrolyte> repository*
[11:33] <TheGateKeeper> fdoving: any idea when (k)ubuntu is going to pull it's finger out & put these open office fixes into the repos?
[11:33] <Electrolyte> Too bad KOffice doesn't support .doc.
[11:34] <TheGateKeeper> Electrolyte: did you upgrade from dapper?
[11:34] <Arafangion> What program do you guys use to burn CDs?
[11:34] <Electrolyte> Nope.
[11:34] <fdoving> Electrolyte: ah, it's 'deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/ubuntu/ edgy/all/'
[11:34] <chahibi_> k3b
[11:34] <TheGateKeeper> k3b
[11:34] <Arafangion> TheGateKeeper: I guess you weren't here when Ubuntu had a seg faulting OpenOffice ;)
[11:34] <chahibi_> why is Kubuntu and GNU in general slow?
[11:35] <fdoving> TheGateKeeper: it needs an SRU, it's ongoing afaik.
[11:35] <Arafangion> chahibi_: Define "slow"
[11:35] <georgeb> Electrolyte: i tried adding the repos from https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-October/022037.html in my sources.list and it works
[11:35] <chahibi_> I mean starting application and responsiveness
[11:35] <Electrolyte> georgeb - yes, but Adept it breaks.
[11:35] <TheGateKeeper> fdoving: SRU ??
[11:35] <Arafangion> chahibi_: Compared to windows?
[11:35] <Electrolyte> It adds some sort of weird character.
[11:35] <fdoving> !sru | thegatekeeper
[11:35] <ubotu> thegatekeeper: sru is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[11:35] <chahibi_> Arafangion: For example, yes
[11:35] <Arafangion> chahibi_: Windows preloads like crazy.
[11:35] <Arafangion> chahibi_: So, when you start MS Office, it's /already/ loaded.
[11:35] <Electrolyte> fdoving - ty, that worked.
[11:36] <chahibi_> Arafangion: Hmm, OpenOffice is faster on win than on lin
[11:36] <Arafangion> chahibi_: OpenOffice is a complex problem.
[11:36] <TheGateKeeper> fdoving: ohhh
[11:36] <chahibi_> Arafangion: Is there anyway to make me feel Linux faster?
[11:37] <Arafangion> chahibi_: You could install oooqs-kde
[11:37] <TheGateKeeper> chahibi_: yep install arch linux
[11:37] <Electrolyte> TheGateKeeper: Any idea when the font problem is being sorted for OpenOffice?
[11:37] <georgeb> Electrolyte: it works in adept too; i pasted my /etc/apt/sources.list at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30261/
[11:37] <TheGateKeeper> Electrolyte: none I am just a user :-)
[11:37] <chahibi_> TheGateKeeper: Does it have a broad range of packages?
[11:38] <Electrolyte> georgeb: Well, it didn't work for me.
[11:38] <Electrolyte> georgeb: It added some really weird character to the end.
[11:38] <Arafangion> How do I burn an ISO in KDE?
[11:38] <chahibi_> Arafangion: K3B
[11:38] <georgeb> Electrolyte: then try to add the repos as in my paste
[11:38] <chahibi_> Arafangion: Double click on the iso file
[11:38] <Electrolyte> I've already done it georgeb.
[11:39] <Electrolyte> I used fdoving's.
[11:39] <TheGateKeeper> chahibi_: yes as far as I know, but be warned it's for intermediate users
[11:40] <Arafangion> Just for interest, why can't I use cdrecord -scanbus?
[11:41] <chahibi_> Arafangion: sudo cdrecord -scanbus
[11:41] <Arafangion> chahibi_: It complains about not having access to /dev/pg*, even with root pivs.
[11:41] <Arafangion> *privs
[11:41] <JackPhil> how to connect several irc servers when konversation launch up
[11:42] <chahibi_> Arafangion: Let k3b do it by its own
[11:42] <Arafangion> chahibi_: Just installed it, now it's doing an md5sum.  Last time I used k3b was 5 years ago ;) Could be interesting.
[11:42] <Arafangion> chahibi_: It's nice.
[11:42] <chahibi_> Arafangion: You can burn without waiting for the check
[11:43] <Arafangion> chahibi_: First time I use something, I tend to just take all the defaults, to see what it does :)
[11:43] <chahibi_> :)
[11:43] <chahibi_> Arafangion: The best Kubuntu/ubuntu soruce of Howtos, Docs...??????????
[11:43] <Arafangion> chahibi_: But my question still stands - how does one use cdrecord today?
[11:44] <chahibi_> Arafangion: No idea, man cdrecord
[11:44] <Arafangion> Heh.
[11:44] <chahibi_> Arafangion: it has may be changed because of the new Kernels
[11:45] <Arafangion> chahibi_: It appears that cdrecord has languished out of development - it's still stuck with the early scsi-compatible mode burners
[11:45] <Arafangion> chahibi_: Exactly.
[11:45] <chahibi_> Arafangion: I have the same problem
[11:46] <chahibi_> Arafangion: You can get the info you want from K3B configure....
[11:46] <chahibi_> The best Kubuntu/ubuntu soruce of Howtos, Docs...??????????
[11:46] <Arafangion> chahibi_: I'm old-school, I like the command line :)
[11:46] <Arafangion> chahibi_: Yes, the wiki, I know.
[11:47] <Arafangion> chahibi_: I'm in an awkward spot because I'm so used to the "old" systems, and I'm using Ubuntu - with KDE rather than kubuntu proper.
[11:47] <Arafangion> So #ubuntu can't help with any suggestions, and usually the wiki isn't as detailed as I'd like it to be.
[11:48] <chahibi_> Arafangion: man:/ in Konqueror looks cool
[11:48] <chahibi_> Arafangion: and info:/ too
[11:48] <cpk1> Arafangion: ubuntu with kde is kubuntu...
[11:48] <Arafangion> Nice. :)
[11:49] <Arafangion> cpk1: Minus the sound control, minus the keyboard bindings, minus the cd burner, minus the...
[11:49] <cpk1> Arafangion: the only difference between kubuntu and ubuntu is one uses kde and one uses gnome
[11:49] <Arafangion> cpk1: The Ubuntu folks bind too much crap to gnome itself rather than keeping things nice and separate.
[11:50] <Arafangion> brb, setting up server :)
[11:50] <cpk1> Arafangion: minus, cd burner, bindings and sound control?!?! that makes no sense
[11:51] <Arafangion> cpk1: Indeed.
[11:53] <chahibi_> Krita is tooooooooooooooooooooooo much slow
[12:00] <xsacha> ms partnering up with novell? http://www.mustap.com/media/msLinux.gif
[12:01] <cpk1> old news
[12:02] <Arafangion> xsacha: If it's on slashdot, it's old news.
[12:02] <Arafangion> xsacha: If it's on newsforge, it's probably ancient news.
[12:02] <Arafangion> Wierd, found an 80G HDD in my room.
[12:02] <Arafangion> But it looks corrupt!
[12:08] <mc__|hausarbeit> whats the best p2p app in edgy?
[12:09] <cpk1> well frostwire is pretty much the only option...
[12:09] <mc__|hausarbeit> cpk1: it seems to be broken
[12:09] <xsacha> http://www.kde-apps.org/index.php?xcontentmode=234
[12:10] <cpk1> mc__|hausarbeit: no, you need to tell it to use bash instead of dash
[12:10] <mc__|hausarbeit> cpk1: ill try
[12:10] <grxmrx> is there any way to set firefox background with kubuntu settings?
[12:11] <mc__|hausarbeit> cpk1: it already uses bash
[12:11] <mc__|hausarbeit> xsacha: thank you
[12:11] <xsacha> you mean the frostwire script? it will have 'sh'
[12:11] <grxmrx> I have changed font settings and then firefox GUI background changed from light gray to dark gray...
[12:11] <xsacha> change the 'sh' to 'bash'
[12:11] <josh_> how do i reconfigure a new sound card
[12:12] <mc__|hausarbeit> xsacha: nope it has bash
[12:12] <cpk1> mc__|hausarbeit: you edited /usr/bin/frostwire ?
[12:12] <mc__|hausarbeit> cpk1: nope
[12:12] <mc__|hausarbeit> cpk1:
[12:12] <cpk1> so that line 3 looks like bash runFrost.sh
[12:12] <mc__|hausarbeit> #!/bin/bash
[12:12] <mc__|hausarbeit> cd /usr/lib/frostwire
[12:12] <mc__|hausarbeit> sh runFrost.sh
[12:12] <xsacha> change sh to bash
[12:12] <cpk1> mc__|hausarbeit: so it uses dash, edgy uses dash instead of bash now
[12:12] <mc__|hausarbeit> cpk1: oh sorry,i just looked at the shebang
[12:13] <mc__|hausarbeit> cpk1: dash instead of bash,now that will cause a lot of problems
[12:13] <xsacha> yeah
[12:13] <wilman> what is the shell irc program?
[12:13] <xsacha> irssi
[12:13] <wilman> ok;)
[12:15] <josh_> how do i configure a sound card?
[12:16] <skript> seeing how there are still some 'edgy known problems', how safe/stable is it to run edgy ?
[12:16] <xsacha> stable and safe right here but maybe i'm lucky
[12:17] <skript> ok... I hope ill be just as lucky then ;)
[12:17] <mc__|hausarbeit> skript: beside an easy to fix frostwire bug i expierienced no problems
[12:17] <mc__|hausarbeit> skript: also no crashes
[12:19] <skript> ok... thanks for the feedback
[12:22] <marco> people, I need a lot of help
[12:22] <marco> seriously
[12:23] <marco> I just updated my language settings to my native language
[12:23] <marco> and it cancelled openoffice!!!!
[12:23] <marco> why?
[12:23] <marco> how can I install it again?
[12:23] <marco> please help me
[12:23] <marco> I really need to use some documents
[12:23] <xsacha> just install it again in adept
[12:24] <marco> it breaks
[12:24] <cpk1> maybe there isnt an open office in your language?
[12:24] <cpk1> what language is your native one?
[12:24] <xsacha> could try KOffice
[12:24] <marco> no, impossible, I was using it in italian before
[12:24] <marco> I tried with apt get but it says I cannot, the package is incomplete
[12:25] <marco> where I can find some .deb files for openoffice?
[12:25] <der_steppenwolf> i want to download kubuntu 6.10 and install it but i don't want to erase my whole partition, which has now kubuntu breezy,  because i have much information in my home directory. How can I erase appropriately the whole distribution?
[12:26] <cpk1> marco: try installing this? openoffice.org-l10n-it
[12:26] <marco> but that is just the language pack
[12:26] <cpk1> but it will probably install the rest of open office
[12:26] <marco> really?
[12:26] <marco> I'm trying it now
[12:27] <marco> please stay with me for some help
[12:27] <der_steppenwolf> anyone can answer me?
[12:28] <cpk1> der_steppenwolf: you will need to upgrade to dapper and then upgrade to edgy
[12:28] <der_steppenwolf> it was not possible, i tried
[12:28] <der_steppenwolf> now the system is damaged. Even i can install kde
[12:29] <xsacha> :S
[12:29] <der_steppenwolf> So, i want to download a distribution
[12:29] <xsacha> well it is 'possible' it just broke for you for some reason :(
[12:29] <der_steppenwolf> i can't install kde, sorry
[12:29] <xsacha> you didnt make a /home partition? : (
[12:29] <cpk1> xsacha: alot of people dont
[12:29] <marco> nothing seems to happen
[12:30] <marco> it just wants to install also the mozilla package for italian
[12:30] <der_steppenwolf> nope, that was an error
[12:30] <cpk1> marco: =\ it was mostly a shot in the dark
[12:30] <marco> ?
[12:30] <marco> what u mean?
[12:31] <cpk1> marco: I was hoping that since its the language pack for OOo that it would also need ot install OOo
[12:31] <der_steppenwolf> Well, i could repartitionate, right?
[12:31] <der_steppenwolf> which utility can do that in kubuntu?
[12:31] <marco> so u know where I can find the deb files for openoffice?
[12:31] <vandenoever> is there jambi for kubuntu?
[12:32] <cpk1> probably at openoffice.org
[12:34] <vandenoever> cpk1: really, openoffice + jambi?
[12:34] <vandenoever> cpk1: oh never mind, wrong lines
[12:34] <cpk1> err no, that was @ marco
[12:34] <marco> no, nothing there
[12:35] <georgeb> marco: OOo is in the main ubuntu repository
[12:35] <cpk1> der_steppenwolf: i suppose you could make a new partition out of free space and move your /home there and then format the other partition and install on that and then resize /home to have more space
[12:35] <marco> yeah but Adept don't let me download it!!
[12:36] <georgeb> marco: the IT language pack for OOo package is called openoffice.org-l10n-it
[12:36] <georgeb> marco: what's the error ?
[12:36] <marco> it breaks
[12:36] <marco> package incomplete
[12:36] <der_steppenwolf> yes, i suppose that as well, can you recommend me a good partition program?
[12:36] <rythan> GParted Live CD
[12:38] <marco> I have a .tar file...can I install it as a .deb one?
[12:39] <cpk1> if you have a .dsc and .change along with the tar (.change might not be needed) you can make a .deb
[12:40] <marco> how?
[12:42] <marco> and what if I donwload a cd image?
[12:42] <marco> it would install just like a .deb file, right?
[12:46] <xsacha> you can use cd as a repository
[12:46] <marco> how, can u teach me how?
[12:46] <marco> what I have to put in my source.list?
[12:47] <xsacha> i've never had to do it :P
[12:49] <Arafangion> Basically invokes dpkg-scanpackages, but I've also never had to do it.
[12:53] <eilker> anyone can help for this ? "xauth:  error in locking authority file /home/eilker/.Xauthority"
[12:53] <esben> eilker: Try ls -l /home/eilker/.Xauthority
[12:54] <intelikey> or better yet sudo rm /home/eilker/.Xauthority
[12:55] <esben> intelikey: Hey! I was trying to ease him into understanding the problem here :o)
[12:55] <intelikey> ;/
[12:55] <intelikey> why not just tell him ?
[12:56] <esben> intelikey: I wanted to be sure first :)
[12:56] <intelikey> lol
[12:56] <intelikey> ok
[12:56] <eilker> esben: is this problem ? "-rw------- 1 root root 49 2006-11-05 13:45 /home/eilker/.Xauthority"
[12:56] <eilker> intelikey: should i delete it?
[12:56] <intelikey> eilker it is indeed.
[12:57] <intelikey> yes you should
[12:57] <esben> eilker: Yes. you have probably started X as root at some point, and now your own user can't write to .Xauthority. Just delete it, it will be recreated :)
[12:57] <intelikey> or at the least chown it.
[12:57] <intelikey> either will work equally well in most cases
[12:57] <esben> eilker: And you don't need to be root to rm it, not that it really matters :)
[12:58] <intelikey> esben you better rethink that one.
[12:58] <eilker> esben: my problem is, when i reboot computer, before kde logging screen comes a console
[12:59] <esben> intelikey: What? You can delete any file as long as you own the directory, and you can't change permissions of other people's files  without becoming root (or them)
[12:59] <esben> eilker: Have you delete that file yet? If yes, there is probably more stale files in /tmp
[01:00] <intelikey> esben "<eilker> esben: is this problem ? "-rw------- 1 root root 49 2006-11-05 13:45 /home/eilker/.Xauthority""  <---^   dude...
[01:00] <esben> intelikey: Bend it in neon for me, please. I don't see it
[01:01] <cpk1> [04:01:08]  <esben> eilker: Yes. you have probably started X as root at some point huh, i thought to start stop KDM you had to be root anyways...
[01:01] <intelikey> esben "<eilker> esben: is this problem ? "-rw------- 1 root root 49 2006-11-05 13:45 /home/eilker/.Xauthority""  <---^   dude...
[01:01] <intelikey> :)
[01:01] <[cf] nightrid3r> esben: i realy want to see you delete a file thats owned by root as a regular user
[01:01] <cpk1> its not hard
[01:01] <cpk1> sudo rm
[01:02] <[cf] nightrid3r> cpk1: :)
[01:02] <Phille> tjena p er
[01:02] <esben> [cf] nightrid3r: sudo touch tmpfile; rm tmpfile
[01:02] <esben> I just did it
[01:03] <esben> [cf] nightrid3r: As long as you own the directory, you can delete any file.
[01:03] <intelikey> and cpk1 actually you can hack xorg to accept starting as user but it's very un-stable, or else a complete hack.
[01:04] <eilker> "xauth: x user not authorized to run x server" why do i always get this?
[01:04] <Arafangion> eilker: Cut a long story short: These are the groups I'm part of:
[01:04] <Arafangion> arafangion adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev lpadmin scanner admin
[01:04] <intelikey> esben your test is flawed.   sudo touch blah ;ls -l blah   will reviel that it's not  600   as that auth file was.
[01:05] <eilker> i get this whenever i open my  pc , before kde logging window "xauth: x user not authorized to run x server" why do i always get this?
[01:05] <esben> intelikey: sudo touch tmpfile; sudo chmod 600 tmpfile; rm tmpfile works too :p
[01:05] <eilker> Arafangion: didnt we give access right together ? why do i still get it ?
[01:06] <intelikey> esben you didn't ls it.
[01:06] <Arafangion> eilker: There are several different groups you should belong to.
[01:07] <esben> intelikey: This is getting long :)  sudo touch tmpfile; sudo chmod 600 tmpfile; ls -l tmpfile; rm tmpfile => -rw------- 1 root root 0 2006-11-05 13:12 tmpfile
[01:07] <Arafangion> eilker: It's probably complaining about at least the audio and video groups.
[01:07] <Arafangion> eilker: But, I would persevere with intelikey, as it sounds like you are capable of becomming a rather competent admin.
[01:07] <intelikey> esben and ?   :)
[01:07] <eilker> Arafangion: how can i add those grorups ?
[01:08] <intelikey> oh duh...  you can't rm it as user.... geee
[01:08] <esben> intelikey: I can still delete the file.
[01:08] <Arafangion> eilker: usermod -G adm,dialout,cdrom,...
[01:08] <esben> intelikey: really, I sweat I just did it :)
[01:08] <esben> *swear
[01:08] <Arafangion> eilker: Followed finally by your username, of course.
[01:09] <cpk1> sudo rm is actually rm'ing as root not a user =P
[01:09] <cpk1> technically speaking
[01:10] <esben> cpk1: There is no sudo in from of my rm (if you were speaking to me). Doing it on a separate line works too, but is less copy&paste friendly
[01:10] <intelikey> cpk1 he's right.  it's dir perms.  not file perms.
[01:11] <Arafangion> cpk1: I feel that it's better to say that it's rm'ing as the user, with root privs.
[01:11] <intelikey> you can write to ~ so you can rm ~
[01:11] <Arafangion> cpk1: Since sudo doesn't replace the environment variables (Annoyingly)
[01:11] <eilker> Arafangion: i checked all system groups included in user eilker
[01:11] <intelikey> Arafangion -i it does.
[01:12] <intelikey> esben i stand recrekted.  (corrected that is)  i suppose i had forfoten that it it dir permissions that restrict removal....  sorry.
[01:13] <eilker> i have only 908 mb free in kubuntu, can this be thr origine of problem, i have already installed lamp server too
[01:13] <cpk1> you know what I have noticed lately? everyonce in a while some of my apps (mainly gaim and gkrellm) lock themselves up for a couple of seconds while refreshing themselves
[01:14] <cpk1> so, if root throws something in ~ the user can remove it?
[01:14] <intelikey> esben i get so used to seeing knot heads tell me things that aren't so that i almost expect it now...  i'll try to watch that a little more closely.    k
[01:15] <esben> intelikey: hehe, don't worry :) I hope I didn't offend :) You do a lot of good work in here :)
[01:15] <eilker> arafangion: i have only 908 mb free in kubuntu, can this be the origine of problem, i have already installed lamp server too
[01:15] <[cf] nightrid3r> cpk1: ati video card ?
[01:15] <cpk1> nvidia
[01:15] <cpk1> it doesnt seem to happen to my k apps
[01:15] <eilker> esben: intelikey likes to talk :)
[01:15] <cpk1> I have kopete and gaim sitting right next to each other and gaim goes white refreshing itself while kopete is fine
[01:16] <intelikey> esben if you reprove a wise man he will love you, but if you reprove a scorner all you will get is a black eye...  (proverbs of soloman)  :)
[01:16] <[cf] nightrid3r> cpk1: i have the same with thunderbird
[01:16] <[cf] nightrid3r> also nvidia card
[01:16] <esben> intelikey: ain't that the truth :)
[01:16] <intelikey> indeed.
[01:16] <Arafangion> eilker: So long as 908M is significantly more than 10% of the HDD, it should be fine.
[01:16] <cpk1> and then when I look at my monitor it will show a 100% cpu usage spike for when that happened
[01:17] <Arafangion> intelikey: I shall have to use -i :)
[01:17] <Arafangion> intelikey: But, imho, it should've been the default, as it's been the subject of so many newbie mistakes :(
[01:17] <intelikey> Arafangion and eilker the reserved percentage can be set with  e2fstune
[01:17] <[cf] nightrid3r> could be the video driver, ATI has the same problem but worst
[01:18] <Arafangion> intelikey: 10% is a _very_ good reserved percentage, imho.
[01:18] <cpk1> Arafangion: cant you just do su -
[01:18] <intelikey> Arafangion imo the default should not implement the root jr. method.
[01:18] <eilker> ahahah:) i think someone have fun with newbie eilker:P
[01:18] <cpk1> i'm using the proprietary driver
[01:18] <Arafangion> cpk1: I do when I actually want it to replace the env variables, but I much prefer sudo to su
[01:19] <intelikey> Arafangion depends on the space avalable and the expected need.    2% should be plenty
[01:19] <klaus_> hi?
[01:19] <cpk1> I used to not have a root account set up
[01:19] <cpk1> until one day sudo broke in the middle of a session
[01:19] <cpk1> klaus_: hello!
[01:19] <intelikey> Arafangion i run not standard, but i have 0% reserved.
[01:20] <cpk1> and let me tell you: if sudo breaks in the middle of a session and you dont have your root account configure oh boy
[01:20] <intelikey> cpk1 it just means a reboot.
[01:20] <Arafangion> intelikey: When you have 100% disc useage, having some reserved space is _really_ nice.
[01:20] <Arafangion> intelikey: If it's a huge disk, why not give yourself even 1%?
[01:20] <cpk1> intelikey: I very messy reboot
[01:20] <klaus_> cpk1: can you tell me how to config gtalk in kopete
[01:21] <cpk1> gtalk?
[01:21] <klaus_> cpk1: yes
[01:21] <klaus_> cpk1: jabber
[01:22] <intelikey> Arafangion why reserve space and cause a full disk situation when there is actually free space left ?     it's all in the perspective.
[01:22] <cpk1> well i dont use jabber but I'm sure all you need to do is go to configure and then accounts and click new
[01:23] <eilker> i run amarok , a small window comes says "updating database" than it closes itself and amarok, but i can run it from console as root, and by right clicking to mp3 than run with amarok
[01:23] <intelikey> Arafangion and having ubuntu installed on a 610m hdd i have ran out of disk space several times....  i know pretty much what it does and what to do about it.
[01:24] <Arafangion> intelikey: I like having a few inodes to at least make a symbolic link to assist with migration.
[01:24] <[cf] nightrid3r> intelikey: thats not a HD thats a supersized floppy
[01:24] <Arafangion> intelikey: 610MB hdd is an extreme case, though...
[01:24] <intelikey> "migration"  ?     if the disk is full only migration is to /dev/null  :)
[01:25] <georgeb> Arafangion: intelikey: I use lvm and reiser; with lvm I can resize partitions on the fly; and reiser can resize the fs online ;-)
[01:25] <cpk1> 610mb hdd... why not just use a RW cd? =P
[01:25] <Arafangion> georgeb: I prefer ext3.
[01:25] <Arafangion> georgeb: Even suze is now using ext3.
[01:25] <intelikey> cpk1 hd is faster
[01:25] <cpk1> isnt reiserfs starting to fall by the wayside?
[01:26] <eilker> "mixer cant be found " in right bottom, it was ok  before upgrade....
[01:26] <Bubba_Gump> :)
[01:26] <intelikey> cpk1 we'll see as the coart case evolves....
[01:26] <ehird> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_3D_Noah's_Ark i have da leet skillz in dis.
[01:26] <Arafangion> cpk1: reiser3 is, pretty much. I think all the attention is on version 4, depending on the court case.
[01:26] <ehird> when is it going to be ported to linux
[01:27] <Arafangion> ehird: Probably when the author realises that speed isn't everything.
[01:27] <cpk1> intelikey: not even that, the reason suse is stoping using reiserfs is because it still has a lot of problems =X
[01:27] <cpk1> and no one is really working on it
[01:28] <georgeb> Arafangion: well, after a lot of flames I saw on the net I understand that 1. reiser is better than ext3 at dealing with small files; 2. ext3 is more "robust" than reiser; but I love the online resize of reiser, and it's not like reiser is totaly messed up, just that it's more likely than ext3 to cause corruptions, anyway the situations when this could happen are still very few :)
[01:28] <eilker> i run amarok , a small window comes says "updating database" than it closes itself and amarok, but i can run it from console as root, and by right clicking to mp3 than run with amarok. by the way  , in right bottom , "mixer cant be found " , it was ok  before upgrade....
[01:28] <intelikey> cpk1 yes i know that.  but this trial can make or break reiserfs    it has brought some added attention to it.
[01:29] <Arafangion> georgeb: I'm not too happy with ext3 either, but reiser really needs to work on reliability and the rough edges.
[01:29] <cpk1> well ext4 is coming!
[01:30] <intelikey> partitionless
[01:30] <Arafangion> cpk1: An awful hack on ext3, indeed, but hopefully it'll come :)
[01:30] <Arafangion> cpk1: Personally, I'd like a clean break, with a cleanly implemented filesystem that can actually be implemented on other OS's by sane people.
[01:30] <Arafangion> (Such as BSD's and windows)
[01:30] <cpk1> windows can use ext2
[01:30] <intelikey> file recovery is nice tooo
[01:31] <Arafangion> cpk1: How well, though? :)
[01:31] <cpk1> not sure about ext3 though
[01:31] <eilker> people, from where can i get help for kubuntu , place for newbie ?
[01:31] <cpk1> probably better than linux can use ntfs
[01:31] <zorglu_> implementing one fs on top of the other allows backward compatibility, it is why they did ext3 on top of ext2 and now ext4 on top of ext3
[01:31] <Arafangion> zorglu_: That's a convoluted way of saying it.
[01:31] <klaus_> who can tell me how to configure google talk in kopete
[01:31] <Arafangion> zorglu_: ext4 isn't exactly "on top of" ext3.
[01:31] <zorglu_> eilker: suppose to be here :)
[01:32] <intelikey> cpk1 anything that can "read" ext2 can read ext3  they are the same +/- the journel
[01:32] <Arafangion> zorglu_: Depending on which design they went with, they use multiple ext3 partitions.
[01:32] <eilker> zorglu_: they r making fun with my problems:D
[01:32] <zorglu_> Arafangion: just a matter of word here
[01:32] <intelikey> zorglu_ don't you mean ext4 on top of ext2   ???
[01:33] <esben> heh, actually ext3 can do online resize apparantly since 2.6.6... I didn't know that
[01:33] <zorglu_> eilker: they should not, it is against the ubuntu code of conduct
[01:33] <zorglu_> !coc | eilker
[01:33] <ubotu> eilker: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[01:33] <zorglu_> eilker: feel free to remind them
[01:33] <Arafangion> zorglu_: Most people here are *K*ubuntu users, though ;)
[01:33] <zorglu_> intelikey: well by transitivity i gues s:)
[01:34] <Bubba_Gump> Arafangion has a point :))
[01:34] <zorglu_> Arafangion: oh he meant ubuntu as gnome ubuntu
[01:34] <zorglu_> eilker: your question are related to gnome ?
[01:34] <intelikey> zorglu_ can't ext4 still be mounted as ext2 like ext3 can ?
[01:34] <xsacha> wouldnt the new extents mess it up?
[01:34] <eilker> zorglu_: i use kde, kubuntu 6.06 dapper
[01:34] <honestpete> I'm having an issue with the rezolution after first time install of kubuntu, it's stuck @*480
[01:34] <zorglu_> intelikey: no clue, i was just repeating some basic info i got from the web, i didnt follow the matter
[01:34] <esben> intelikey: From wikipedia: The ext4 filesystem is backward compatible with ext3, that is, it can be mounted as an ext3 partition
[01:35] <xsacha> oh ok
[01:35] <zorglu_> eilker: ok, im lost
[01:35] <Arafangion> zorglu_: He's learning to use usermod, groups, access privilages, starting X11, etc.
[01:35] <zorglu_> eilker: in anycase, they should not make fun of your question
[01:35] <eilker> zorglu_: they r not offensive
[01:35] <intelikey> esben ext3 is but ext2 + journal
[01:35] <Arafangion> zorglu_: Somehow, he's managed to jump into a deep end somewhere, and he actually seems like the sort of user who may actually become a competent admin.
[01:35] <xsacha> MilhousePunkRock: laptop?
[01:36] <Bubba_Gump> milhouse: i've a laptop and the power controls are right in the lower-right
[01:36] <MilhousePunkRock> xsacha: Still...
[01:36] <zorglu_> Arafangion: ok all seems good then
[01:36] <Bubba_Gump> quite handy, i must say :D
[01:36] <zorglu_> ok am lost :)
[01:36] <xsacha> are you using a laptop?
[01:36] <eilker> arafangion: you r wrong
[01:36] <zorglu_> if all is good, im good :)
[01:36] <intelikey> eilker what was your question ?
[01:36] <MilhousePunkRock> Bubba_Gump: Guidance or KPowersave?
[01:36] <Bubba_Gump> Power Manager it says
[01:36] <eilker> arafangion: i just upgraded with adept than i had many problems
[01:36] <MilhousePunkRock> xsacha: Yes... The settings kinda vanished after the update from Dapper to Edgy
[01:36] <eilker> arafangion: i am not playing with system
[01:36] <Arafangion> eilker: Ahh, _that's_ how you jumped into the deep end :)
[01:37] <xsacha> :(
[01:37] <MilhousePunkRock> Bubba_Gump: That's Guidance then... It does not give many options to tune though...
[01:37] <cpk1> can ls list by type instead fo alphabetically?
[01:37] <xsacha> guidance-power-manager?
[01:37] <Bubba_Gump> which parts do you want to tune?
[01:37] <xsacha> in a konsole
[01:37] <eilker> intelikey: i have several problems, one of those is this, i run amarok , a small window comes says "updating database" than it closes itself and amarok, but i can run it from console as root, and by right clicking to mp3 than run with amarok. by the way  , in right bottom , "mixer cant be found " , it was ok  before upgrade....
[01:38] <Arafangion> cpk1: Unfortunately, there isn't really a concept of a file's "type".
[01:38] <xsacha> extension
[01:38] <cpk1> well list by dir then file at least
[01:38] <Arafangion> cpk1: It's part of what made Unix so good for programmers.
[01:38] <eilker> zorglu_: by the way thanx for your interest
[01:38] <MilhousePunkRock> Bubba_Gump: Well... When I press Fn-F4, it suspends, but does not wake up again properly. When I choose "suspend" from the powermanager, it suspends and resumes just fine
[01:38] <zorglu_> eilker: my pleasure
[01:38] <Arafangion> xsacha: Actually, in Unix, it's more the magic number - the extension is practically irrelevant.
[01:38] <xsacha> but can you list by extension
[01:39] <Bubba_Gump> yeah i've noticed that
[01:39] <Arafangion> xsacha: I don't believe so.
[01:39] <cpk1> and it obviously knows the difference of extensions which is what I was getting at
[01:39] <MilhousePunkRock> Arafangion: Files do not even need extensions...
[01:39] <MilhousePunkRock> Riddell: You there?
[01:39] <Arafangion> MilhousePunkRock: Thankyhou for once again providing a clearer version of what I meant :)
[01:39] <MilhousePunkRock> yw Arafangion :-D
[01:39] <xsacha> i know that, i often dont use extensions, but i'd like the ones with extensions to be sorted
[01:40] <Arafangion> xsacha: In the command line, people tend to organize files quite neatly.
[01:40] <cpk1> yes but ls and ls -h spits it out alphabetically, I would like each color to be with its own color =P
[01:40] <intelikey> eilker hmmm that would be anoying indeed.  unfortunatly you are out of my range of knowledge there.  i'm still using dapper so i don't have the same system to poke around in.  also i don't often use a gui so i'm not an amarok fan/uesr    sorry i can't help you there.
[01:40] <Arafangion> xsacha: console file useage tendencies differn considerably to gui file useage tendencies.
[01:40] <Bubba_Gump> the only files i've which have extensions are the 'designed for windows' ones which i've downloaded from webbys
[01:40] <xsacha> Arafangion: i use the console
[01:41] <Bubba_Gump> so i just change them back :)
[01:41] <cpk1> eilker: you could also ask in #amarok
[01:41] <Arafangion> xsacha: Put all your C code files into the the relevant src directory, all your html files in to their directories, etc. :)
[01:41] <xsacha> no, that won't do
[01:41] <MilhousePunkRock> eilker: A good place to start with your Amarok problem would be to disable the collection update every time it starts
[01:41] <xsacha> src directory doesn't just have .c, it also has binaries and headers and other misfits
[01:42] <eilker> <MilhousePunkRock: thanx for this info
[01:42] <Arafangion> xsacha: If you like, you could either put the binaries into another directory, or simply ignore htem.
[01:42] <eilker> <cpk1: i was thinking it is releated with os, i didnt think that software problem
[01:42] <intelikey> has .c .h READMES configs and possavly makefiles
[01:43] <Arafangion> ls *.{c,cpp,h,hpp}
[01:43] <MilhousePunkRock> eilker: Or even better, check if "user" has permission to search the folders that are included in Amarok's collection
[01:43] <xsacha> that's even worse :P
[01:43] <Arafangion> xsacha: Then write a script to sort it :)  Be a rather decent script to check out a new language, infact.
[01:43] <cpk1> so you cant make ls list differently besides alphabetically?
[01:44] <xsacha> using ls|grep c     to get all c/c++ files now, but would prefer a simple organise by extension
[01:44] <eilker> intelikey: thanx and one suggestion to all, no need to be hurry for edgy
[01:44] <zorglu_> cpk1: some --sort option exists, look at 'man ls'
[01:44] <intelikey> eilker k i'll remember that.
[01:44] <Bubba_Gump> cpk1: i can sort by type in Konq
[01:45] <xsacha> --sort=-X
[01:45] <Arafangion> xsacha: Make a script that reads all the files, extracts the ends, shoves it into a dict by extension, then iterate through the dict.
[01:45] <cpk1> ls --file-type doesnt do it which was my first gues, you can list by date but i dont want that
[01:45] <intelikey> eilker the ubuntu site seems to indicate that it's far less problematic to do a clean install of edgy than an upgrade to it....   but again i wouldn't know if that's so or not.
[01:45] <xsacha> ls -X
[01:46] <xsacha> this does it :)
[01:46] <cpk1> xsacha: cool! so much nicer to look at =)
[01:46] <cpk1> its annoying having blue and pink and white all over the place =P
[01:46] <Arafangion> Nice.
[01:46] <cpk1> now they are nice organized
[01:47] <Arafangion> Now why didn't it mention it in the man page?
[01:47] <xsacha> it did
[01:47] <xsacha> -X     sort alphabetically by entry extension
[01:47] <cpk1> it does its under --sort
[01:47] <cpk1> i must have missed that =X
[01:47] <cpk1> but hey its late for me!
[01:47] <intelikey> xsacha not sure what you are shooting for but something like   find /basedir/ -name *.{c,cpp,h,hpp} -exec file '{}' \;                might help you.
[01:49] <intelikey> again i havent kept up so that may be way off what you want.
[01:49] <xsacha> just: ls -X :)
[01:49] <intelikey> johey:  well then try ls -X    :)
[01:49] <intelikey> xsacha that is.
[01:50] <intelikey> tab completion error you know. ^
[01:50] <Arafangion> intelikey: Damn tabs!
[01:50] <xsacha> yeah.. j and x ;)
[01:51] <intelikey> no i typed oh and hit tab and got a nick...
[01:51] <xsacha> bitchX eh?
[01:51] <intelikey> that's what the version said wasn't it.
[01:52] <xsacha> :( spoofed version?
[01:52] <intelikey> no it's real.
[01:52] <intelikey> :)
[01:52] <xsacha> k
[01:52] <intelikey> could easily be tho.
[01:52] <honestpete> !rezolution
[01:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rezolution - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:52] <zorglu_> !resolution
[01:52] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type this in a console: sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  -  To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[01:52] <honestpete> !resolution
[01:53] <zorglu_> me first :)
[01:53] <intelikey> !rez
[01:53] <xsacha> mine will say konversation/irssi or some other stupid linux irc client ;) mIRC really ;)
[01:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rez - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:53] <intelikey> hmmm that used to be set ....
[01:53] <honestpete> zorglu_: lol, i'm having probs with the rez, the only option it gives me is the 640*480
[01:54] <xsacha> i think you mean !res intelikey
[01:54] <intelikey> could be.
[01:54] <intelikey> i guess it was.  but i thought it was z
[01:55] <intelikey> and that's not the same infonode   it gave the  dpkg-recon line in it.
[01:55] <Grigorgeous> anybody knows what is the  plugin to install for opera broswer to work fine?
[01:57] <zorglu_> honestpete: i dunno, have no time to acutally help. out of the blue, check your monitor is properly configured
[01:57] <intelikey> something like   some resolution problems are caused by a misconfigured x-server, try;   sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg    if that is the case.
[01:57] <zorglu_> looks like default resolution on low monitor <- honestpete
[01:57] <rbrunhuber> How can i import rss feeds to akregator from firefox?
[01:57] <intelikey> that may not be word for word but it's in the neibourhood.
[01:58] <intelikey> ie
[01:58] <esben> Grigorgeous: I know nothing about Opera.. but what do you mean? Are you talking about a plugin to Opera?
[01:59] <Grigorgeous> yes a macromedia plugin
[01:59] <georgeb> rbrunhuber: in firfox2 at Edit->Preferences there's a tab where you can select an application for the feeds; never tried it though
[01:59] <esben> Grigorgeous: ok. I don't use either, sorry
[02:00] <intelikey> gun shoots, gota go
[02:00] <MilhousePunkRock> Grigorgeous: The Netscape (=Mozilla =Firefox) plugin should work fine
[02:01] <kraut> moin
[02:02] <rbrunhuber> georgeb: it does not work. akregator expects cli parameters. But even my script does not work
[02:03] <MilhousePunkRock> Grigorgeous: In case you have Fx installed and the flash-plugin, just point Opera to the location of it
[02:03] <di> does anyone know a workaround for the power saving bug? namely, when you choose to switch monitor after 1 minute, after reboot it changes to 1 hour, when choosing 2min it changes to 2 hours. thanks.
[02:04] <lish> is dapper the newest virsion ?
[02:04] <honestpete> !resolution
[02:04] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type this in a console: sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  -  To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[02:10] <slow-motion> hallo
[02:31] <jende> !openoffice
[02:31] <ubotu> a free and open source office suite, including word processor, spreadsheet, presentation, vector drawing and database components.  To install: "sudo apt-get install openoffice.org".
[02:32] <jende> which OOo vesion is the latest available for dappper? Is it 2.0.4 as like as in edgy?
[02:33] <charlie5> hi ... i'm installing edgy and at the disk partitioning stage ... i'm trying to select /dev/sda1 as the root '/', but when I hit 'continue' ... there is an error saying 'no root filesystem'
[02:33] <jende> charlie5: on sda1?
[02:34] <charlie5> jende: the error message doesn't really say ... just 'No root file system'
[02:35] <charlie5> there is not much room on the sda1, but i have selected re-format, so that shouln;t matter ?
[02:36] <jende> charlie5: did it reformat anyway?
[02:37] <charlie5> jende: no, it won't proceed any further ... maybe i need to re-format sda1 in the previous stage ...
[02:37] <charlie5> though it seems a little odd
[02:37] <jende> charlie5:yep...anyway I assume that your sda1 is a USB stick. Am I right?
[02:38] <charlie5> jende: nope :) ... its 1st partition on my main hard drive
[02:39] <jende> charlie5:don't be nervous
[02:39] <charlie5> be afraid ? ... ;-)
[02:39] <jende> charlie5: is there another freaky system installed on your hdd?
[02:39] <charlie5> ok, i'll try the re-format in the earlier stage ... thanks
[02:40] <jende> charlie5: like W$?
[02:40] <charlie5> jende: no, i'm cl;obbering my old dapper OS with edgy
[02:40] <jende> charlie5: hold on
[02:40] <jende> charlie5: I'll pastebin you the easy way
[02:40] <charlie5> jende: much obliged :)
[02:41] <jende> !paste
[02:41] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[02:41] <arriesp> ola
[02:42] <jende> charlie5: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30268/
[02:44] <charlie5> jende: thank you
[02:45] <jende> charlie5: If you proceed like that you'll be done in approx 15mins without any hassles
[02:45] <charlie5> jende: sounds great :D ... will let you know how it goes
[02:46] <jende> charlie5: cool ;-)
[02:46] <charlie5> jende: one last thing ... my current dapper is a fresh install, does it need to be updated before i do the edfy upgrade ?
[02:47] <jende> charlie5: nope
[02:48] <grayghost> I installed 6.10 bata a month ago.... is it necessary to upgrade to the final release or is that done automaticaly ?
[02:49] <charlie5> jende: cheers ... back soon
[02:55] <jende> charlie5: why is that?
[02:56] <charlie5> jende: err, could you repost your pastebin link ... i srta kinda lost it when aborting the eralier install
[02:57] <jende> charlie5: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30268/
[02:57] <charlie5> jende: thanks again ... sorry for the extra trouble
[02:58] <jende> charlie5: no worries
[03:00] <gupta> Can anybody guess why this crontab entry isn't working> 29 19 * * * locate -u -e /tmp -e /proc -e /media -e ~/.opera/cache4
[03:00] <gupta> The same command works from the shell
[03:00] <charlie5> mmm, this don't look too good ...
[03:00] <charlie5> Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/edgy/Release  Unable to find expected entry  -security/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
[03:01] <charlie5> suggests i try apt-get update ... i'll give it a shot
[03:02] <gupta> This crontab entry work btw > 29 19 * * * touch ~/somefile
[03:02] <sorush20> are there any child safty programs I can use to filter my internet?
[03:04] <shentey> hi! did anyone experience problems with icq functionality of kopete under kubuntu?
[03:04] <zorglu_> shentey: dont know the details but a lot of people reported issue recently
[03:05] <zorglu_> gupta: in theory it should send email to root about the result, you may check what does it say
[03:05] <zorglu_> sorush20: good question :)
[03:06] <gupta> email as in ?
[03:06] <shentey> @zorglu_: thanks for the info, i'm glad it is an issue already
[03:07] <zorglu_> gupta: ?
[03:07] <zorglu_> shentey: you may get more details on #kopete
[03:07] <sorush20> zorglu_: do you mean that you were also unable to find any such programs
[03:08] <zorglu_> sorush20: im not aware of any, but googling right now, as it is a 'good aquestion' :)
[03:08] <charlie5> there is a '-' in front of my updates and security entries as shown by adept ... is that normal ?
[03:09] <zorglu_> sorush20: http://www.pcbypaul.com/software/squid.html seems to be a free solution
[03:09] <vandenoever> i'm trying my webcam, but the image is gray, any idea on how to fix that?
[03:10] <zorglu_> sorush20: http://www.linspire.com/surfsafe_msn_compare.php <- this one is not, dont even known if it is available on ubuntu
[03:12] <zorglu_> sorush20: apparently there is nothing obvious
[03:12] <zorglu_> heard yesterday that vista a very good one tho :)
[03:12] <jende> zorglu_: have you an idea what grub error code 20 means?
[03:13] <zorglu_> 20 : Multiboot kernel must be loaded before modules This error is returned if the module load command is used before loading a Multiboot kernel. It only makes sense in this case anyway, as GRUB has no idea how to communicate the presence of such modules to a non-Multiboot-aware kernel. <- fromhttp://www.suselinuxsupport.de/wikka.php?wakka=Gruberrors
[03:14] <BluesKaj> Howdy All!
[03:14] <zorglu_> vandenoever: wild guessing, a driver issue, have you tried 'dmesg' ?
[03:15] <vandenoever> zorglu_: yes, the cam's recognized properl
[03:15] <vandenoever> pwc Registered as /dev/video0
[03:15] <zorglu_> vandenoever: have you tried different viewer ?
[03:16] <vandenoever> i tried kopete and camgrab
[03:16] <vandenoever> can't install xawtv
[03:16] <zorglu_> there are mplayer and vlc too
[03:16] <zorglu_> it is just in case one viewer init v4l differently than the other
[03:16] <vandenoever> zorglu_: i'll have a look at those
[03:17] <zorglu_> on a preivous install, i add to launch vlc twice before it got the picture
[03:17] <KennyTheFreak> Anyone knows the Mac OS X x86 project? insanenlymac.com? could anyone upload it somewhere? the torrents are slow like HELL
[03:17] <vandenoever> zorglu_: mad
[03:18] <zorglu_> KennyTheFreak: well this is offtopic, moreover this is illegal. so lets avoid discussing that here
[03:18] <KennyTheFreak> kk
[03:19] <BluesKaj> KennyTheFreak, besides, this is a Linux room ...go join a mac chat
[03:20] <KennyTheFreak> hhehe
[03:20] <KennyTheFreak> :P
[03:21] <vandenoever> zorglu_: vlc is also gray (2nd time too)
[03:22] <zorglu_> hmm no real idea
[03:22] <zorglu_> are you in the 'video' user group ?
[03:23] <zorglu_> my last idea :)
[03:23] <vandenoever> zorglu_: i think is more a driver issue, i probably need a setting
[03:23] <vandenoever> zorglu_: the signal from the cam is gray, i do have access
[03:23] <zorglu_> yep more likely, before the pwc driver came with a tool for that
[03:23] <zorglu_> i dont remember the name
[03:24] <vandenoever> pwcset, yes, i can look for that
[03:25] <vandenoever> mplayer gives me a green video ...
[03:27] <BluesKaj> anyone use quicktime in their media
[03:27] <BluesKaj> ?
[03:28] <Electrolyte> Is there any way to auto-login with Kubuntu Edgy?
[03:28] <Electrolyte> The option in System Settings has been removed since Dapper :?
[03:28] <Electrolyte> :/*
[03:29] <Dr_Willis> Electrolyte:  kdm has that option i recall.
[03:29] <Electrolyte> Ah, do I simple run kdm as root then?
[03:29] <Electrolyte> simply*
[03:29] <Dr_Willis> you may need to use that 'administrator' mode button in the kdm config tool
[03:30] <Dr_Willis> the silly admin mode button tends to get hidden on my systems due to the wundows being small. i gotto resize them to get it to be seen
[03:31] <Electrolyte> Well in User Management I can't see anything for auto-login/.
[03:32] <Dr_Willis> kcontrol --> system admin -> login manager
[03:32] <Dr_Willis> look in the right place. :)
[03:32] <Electrolyte> Didn't know kcontrol worked since Kubuntu uses something else :/
[03:32] <dude_> hi guys !
[03:32] <Dr_Willis> it does? heh - they all edit the same config fules
[03:33] <Electrolyte> Dr_Willis - yeah, but Login Manager doesn't exist in the System Settings panel.
[03:33] <Electrolyte> I'm gonna replace System Settings with KControl instead.
[03:33] <Dr_Willis> i just put that applet on the taskbar to get to stuff mainly
[03:33] <BluesKaj> Electrolyte, how?
[03:33] <Electrolyte> Change the command behind the icon :P
[03:34] <zorglu_> mplayer tv:// -tv driver=v4l:device=/dev/video0:width=640:height=480:noaudio -vf-add pp=hb:a/vb:a,hqdn3d,mirror <- maouaou some fun with a webcam, all is in the filter :) the mirror is nice for webcam and the denoiser too :)
[03:34] <BluesKaj> which icon?
[03:34] <Electrolyte> System Settings in the KDE menu.
[03:35] <Dr_Willis> zorglu_:  i like to set my webcam where i am upside down. :)
[03:35] <BluesKaj> mthe only way I know to access kcontrol is thru the "run command"
[03:36] <Electrolyte> BluesKaj: Simple change the command on the System Settings icon in the KDE menu to "kcontrol".
[03:36] <Electrolyte> Simply*
[03:36] <mortiis> i'm having a fx 2.0 flash problem, whenever i try to view a site with flash content, it crashes and gives me "The error was 'BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)'"
[03:36] <zorglu_> Dr_Willis: :)
[03:36] <BluesKaj> ok Electrolyte
[03:36] <Dr_Willis> 'add applet to panel' --> 'settings' --> there ya go a nice icon/menu
[03:37] <ironfrog1y> Any idea why Konversation, after updating to edgy, is unable to connect to freenode, although irssi has no trouble? I get "[09:36]  [Error]  Connection to Server  lost: operation is not supported. Trying to reconnect." from Konversation
[03:37] <Dr_Willis> somthung i feel should be on the panel by default. ;0 along with a konsole button. heh
[03:37] <gnomefreak> BluesKaj: is systemsettings pretty much the same?
[03:37] <gnomefreak> mortiis: its a known bug. there are a few workarounds for it. if you give me a minute ill see if i can find them
[03:38] <Dr_Willis> ironfrog1y:  try some different servers? they may be using different servers and having some server issues.
[03:38] <mortiis> gnomefreak, great, thanks!
[03:38] <gnomefreak> Dr_Willis: konsole has a panel applet i thought to the right of the little computer icon ont he left
[03:38] <BluesKaj> it is syssettings in a different form - konk
[03:38] <Dr_Willis> gnomefreak:  not that ive seen.. i just had to add it for my new user i made. :)
[03:38] <ironfrog1y> Dr_Willis: im not really sure how. i dont specify any server, just irc.freenode.net and whatever rotation i get. ive tried a couple times and it should try a random server each time, no?
[03:39] <Dr_Willis> ironfrog1y:  the last few days ive beenhaving issues connecting also.. changed servers and it helped.
[03:39] <Dr_Willis> could try a single server like niven, or whatever.  on each
[03:39] <zorglu_> host irc.freenode.org <- to get a list of server
[03:40] <gnomefreak> mortiis: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/62988  theres a workaround or 2 in there
[03:40] <mortiis> gnomefreak, thanks a lot
[03:40] <gnomefreak> yw
[03:41] <gnomefreak> be back in a few
[03:43] <BluesKaj> I'd just like to put kcontrol in the kicker ..how is that done ?
[03:43] <Dr_Willis> BluesKaj:  just make an icon forit.
[03:44] <BluesKaj> already have sys settings in the panel
[03:44] <Dr_Willis> or use that 'settings' applet in kicker..
[03:44] <Dr_Willis> it gives shortcuts to the control-applets
[03:44] <Dr_Willis> looks like a little wrench. :0
[03:45] <Dr_Willis> and is top menu item is 'controlcenter'
[03:45] <mortiis> gnomefreak, found a workaround :)
[03:49] <wilman_> anyone using irssi?
[03:50] <wilman_> q
[03:50] <dennister> g'day all
[03:50] <BluesKaj> I use it sometimes, wilman_
[03:51] <BluesKaj> irssi works ok
[03:51] <dennister> are any edgy users in here today who have a hauppauge wintv 250 tuner working?
[03:52] <ehird> Hmm what's KDE's default font setting
[03:52] <ehird> new apps suddenly have tiny fonts
[03:52] <ehird> Using sans-serif 9pt
[03:52] <fdoving> wilman: i use irssi.
[03:53] <dennister> hi fdoving :_
[03:53] <fdoving> hi dennister.
[03:53] <ehird> hellooo
[03:53] <dennister> u have edgy, right?
[03:53] <fdoving> yes
[03:54] <BluesKaj> dennister, I'm using TVTime , due to the fact that my ATI tvwonder card runs on it
[03:54] <BluesKaj> gotta go audio direct tho
[03:55] <dennister> i'm having a problem with the latest nvidia drivers and my tuner...absolutely no distro seems to work with my tuner (pretty standard one) since nvdia removed dga support
[03:55] <ehird> it's 10pt isn't it
[03:56] <BluesKaj> dennister, i think TVTime supports nvidia
[03:57] <dennister> supposedly they all do...but no matter which tvapp i use, i get the dga error and no signal
[03:57] <BluesKaj> have you tried TVTime ?
[03:58] <dennister> it's the nvidia people's doing...lots of complaints in the nv forums...yes, i've tried tvtime
[03:58] <BluesKaj> ok
[03:58] <dennister> and xawtv, and motv, and vdr...
[03:59] <ehird> after exporting a var with bash how do i make it stick across all sessions and even on apps not launched via terminal
[04:00] <dennister> what's the kernel for edgy again?
[04:01] <dennister> !edgy
[04:01] <ubotu> Ubuntu 6.10 (codenamed Edgy Eft) is the latest version of Ubuntu. To upgrade to Edgy, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades  -  To download Edgy: http://www.ubuntu.com/download (please use BitTorrent if you can!)
[04:01] <fdoving> ehird: you must restart the applications. If you want global environment variables, put them in /etc/environment
[04:01] <jende> dennister: 2.6.17
[04:02] <dennister> thx jende; I have a decision to make and am having some troubles with it
[04:02] <jende> fdoving: howdy
[04:02] <ehird> what's the /etc/enviroment syntax
[04:02] <fdoving> hi jende.
[04:02] <ehird> I need to export DEBUG_DONT_SPAWN_FETCHES=1
[04:02] <jende> dennister: what prob?
[04:02] <jende> fdoving: how are ya?
[04:03] <fdoving> ehird: VARIABLE=value
[04:03] <delusions> hi, i'm using dapper 6.06, i want to know why my system waits about 5-15 seconds while "mounting root partition", how can i learn ?
[04:03] <dennister> jende: like which installation to try next, which release, etc
[04:03] <jende> dennister: i woould give edgy a go...it's a beauty of a system
[04:03] <jende> dennister: eventhough easy to upgrade
[04:04] <jende> dennister: that's all you have to do: -> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30268/
[04:04] <ehird> fdoving: do i need to restart now? >.>
[04:05] <dennister> i'll go clean install...i'm just nervous about the ivtv drivers problem...and even IF i get the ivtv drivers compiled properly there's little chance i can get the tuner working without dga support for a proper output
[04:06] <fdoving> ehird: logout should be enought. unless you need the system services to know about this variable.
[04:06] <jende> dennister: okay...with your TV prob I'm definitely noot a good helper, sorry
[04:06] <jende> noot=not
[04:06] <ehird> ig uess
[04:07] <dennister> no jende, u have helped :)
[04:07] <jende> dennister: great ;-)
[04:07] <jende> !ivtv
[04:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ivtv - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:08] <jende> BluesKaj: how are ya?
[04:09] <jende> BluesKaj: !Ping
[04:10] <BluesKaj> hi jende...I'm fine , and how're you ?
[04:10] <Trollinator> does boost.org work for you?
[04:10] <BluesKaj> trying to setup quicktime
[04:10] <jende> BluesKaj: kinda dead, had to chop some trees yesterday
[04:10] <BluesKaj> bummer for the trees :(
[04:11] <jende> BluesKaj: ah well, they had to be chopped. And then again I like to have it warm in the house
[04:11] <BluesKaj> I have a large maple that will ahve to be trimmed waaaay back one of these days
[04:11] <jende> BluesKaj: esp in autumn and winter
[04:11] <BluesKaj> ahh burn wood eh ?
[04:12] <jende> BluesKaj: yep - no oil, no gas
[04:13] <dennister> omg!!! r the proper ivtv drivers compiled with edgy?
[04:14] <dennister> is looking at mythedgy docs
[04:17] <ehird> DEBUG_DONT_SPAWN_FETCHES=1
[04:18] <ehird> is there a way to get /etc/enviroment to work without logging out?
[04:18] <frank_> I'm having a strange issue: In kubuntu dapper, I'm running firefox 1.5 and mythtranscode at the same time. mythtranscode uses up all my CPU. when mythtranscode runs at nice=19, firefox is responsive and working fine. when mythtranscode runs at nice=17 (the default), firefox is so slow it's not usable. All the other programs run fine. Any ideas.
[04:18] <wilman> how to open several irc channels in irssi
[04:18] <wilman> several windows
[04:19] <ehird> wilman: it's pretty obvious
[04:19] <ehird> then /window <number>
[04:19] <ehird> err
[04:19] <ehird> /join #channel
[04:19] <ehird> then /window <number>
[04:19] <dennister> can anyone tell me if ivtv drivers are precompiled with edgy on i386?
[04:20] <wilman> ok
[04:20] <frank_> dennister: not sure... I had to compile my own in dapper. Never tried edgy
[04:21] <frank_> ... I think
[04:21] <dennister> did u ever get them working frank? I tried, but failed miserably
[04:21] <dutchy> I cant find how to add a 'show desktop' button to the panel, can anyone help me do this if it is possible?
[04:22] <frank_> dennister: yeah mine are working. what card do you have?
[04:22] <dennister> I spent days and weeks getting lamp server and desktop working, but couldn't get the ivtv drivers compiled
[04:22] <dennister> i've got a hauppauge wintv 250
[04:22] <Trollinator> Right-click on the panel and search for yourself. it's noch that hard to find.
[04:22] <Trollinator> does boost.org work for you?
[04:22] <lupine_85> is the kernel module called ivtv?
[04:23] <dennister> but i was also struggling to get em working on 64-bit system, and i think i'll try the i386 this time, if i decide to try again with edgy
[04:24] <dude_> hi guys
[04:24] <dude_> need some hepl
[04:24] <lupine_85> I can't find a module called ivtv in edgy
[04:24] <dude_> need some help
[04:24] <dennister> frank, i'm not registered
[04:24] <frank23> dennister: Yeah I had to screw around with them to get it working
[04:24] <dennister> thx lupine
[04:24] <dude_> my kaffeine won't open
[04:25] <frank23> dennister: go to  to #frank23
[04:25] <Trollinator> kaffeine sucks anyway..
[04:25] <johey> After upgrading to Edgy, Kopete doesn't want to let me log in to ICQ anymore. Is that a known problem, or is it most likely me?
[04:25] <Trollinator> johey: known bug
[04:25] <bobulatorm>  hey there im trying to get kubuntu to install on a HP pavillion. when i try and run the install CD, it just starts loading the kernel and then resets the computer. any ideas why? ta!
[04:25] <Trollinator> wait a minute, i can tell you fixed kopete pacakges.
[04:25] <johey> Trollinator: Ah oki. No current workaround?
[04:25] <dude_> Trollinator: any suggestion?
[04:26] <abattoir> bobulatorm: try booting in the 'safe mode'
[04:26] <bobulatorm> yeah tried that, same deal
[04:26] <johey> Trollinator: Ah. Oki. :)
[04:26] <Trollinator> http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kopete-fix/kopete-dapper/
[04:26] <johey> Trollinator: Is that an apt repository or should I dpkg install it?
[04:26] <abattoir> bobulatorm: wait, this is right after you hit enter, at the boot prompt?
[04:27] <Trollinator> *sigh* why don't you see for yourself`
[04:27] <bobulatorm> abattoir: after i hit enter, it starts loading the /casper/ type stuff, goes to a blank screen then resets
[04:27] <Trollinator> kmplayer is better than kaffine (IMO)
[04:27] <Trollinator> kaffeine*
[04:28] <ehird> how would I change Use A Different Mail Client to use GMail
[04:28] <abattoir> bobulatorm: hmm, media is clean, i guess you can't run the cd checker tool as well?
[04:28] <abattoir> *media is clean?
[04:28] <bobulatorm> nope :(
[04:28] <Trollinator> does boost.org work for you?
[04:28] <Bubba_Gump> is frostwire a good p2p client?
[04:28] <ehird> Bubba_Gump: no
[04:28] <fdoving> johey: that is not an apt repository. as the files will disappear once the fix is in the repositories.
[04:28] <Bubba_Gump> ehird: what is?
[04:28] <johey> Trollinator: Because I don't really know how an apt repository looks like. Thanks anyway.
[04:28] <abattoir> bobulatorm: press 'Esc', it should take you to a 'boot:' prompt
[04:29] <bobulatorm> it gets as far as "Uncompressing linux - botting the kernel" then resets
[04:29] <johey> fdoving: Oki, thanks!
[04:29] <Trollinator> johey: you owe me a favor... tell me if boost.org works for you
[04:29] <bobulatorm> yup, ok
[04:29] <abattoir> bobulatorm: i think you should enter linux and hit enter, wait i'll confirm
[04:29] <gemidjy> any1 Kaffeine 0.8.2 for dapper ?
[04:30] <johey> Trollinator: Is boost.org an apt repository? Just kidding.. Yep, I can access it via http.
[04:30] <Trollinator> damn!
[04:30] <Trollinator> lol
[04:30] <ubuntu_> nabend
[04:30] <Trollinator> it doesn't work for me :(
[04:30] <Trollinator> ubuntu_: falsche Sprache...
[04:30] <ehird> boost.org doesn't work for m
[04:30] <ehird> e
[04:30] <antonio_> hi all
[04:30] <Trollinator> hm, so it's not just me :)
[04:30] <ubuntu_> hello
[04:31] <antonio_> it's my first time here
[04:32] <Trollinator> antonio_: so... what?
[04:32] <chrivers> !kernel
[04:32] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[04:32] <abattoir> bobulatorm: this is the live cd? or the alternate one?
[04:32] <bobulatorm> live
[04:32] <ehird> where do i stop kubuntu resuming current session
[04:32] <antonio_> indeed i'm a newbie in ubuntu world
[04:32] <ehird> on bootup
[04:32] <Trollinator> antonio_: so... what?
[04:33] <chrivers> ehird: what do you mean?
[04:33] <bobulatorm> recklon i should give the alternate a go?
[04:33] <ehird> chrivers: on bootup kubuntu loads apps i had loaded
[04:33] <holibanum> its my first usage
[04:33] <chrivers> ehird: there's a "restore session on startup" option in kde
[04:33] <ehird> chrivers: but where
[04:33] <Bubba_Gump> you're right, frostwire is pretty naff
[04:33] <chrivers> ehird: you can change it in the kde control panel somewher
[04:34] <Bubba_Gump> any ideas for better file sharing?
[04:34] <holibanum> installation 90 per cent compleeted
[04:34] <ehird> chrivers: my questions was where!
[04:34] <ehird> *sigh*
[04:34] <johey> Trollinator: Guess what. Kopete now works with ICQ. :D
[04:35] <Trollinator> gee, i can't believe it.
[04:35] <Trollinator> *rolleyes* ;(
[04:35] <Trollinator> ;9
[04:35] <Trollinator> ;)
[04:35] <Trollinator> ah, dammit
[04:35] <Trollinator> i can't type :(
[04:38] <ehird> /etc/enviroment does NOT work
[04:39] <skript> I'm currently installing kubuntu... I'm at the 'prepare mount points' step...  when I use the default mount points (/media/hda1...) for NTFS partitions, the installer isn't going to erase/format them, is it ?
[04:39] <ehird> "DEBUG_DONT_SPAWN_FETCHES=1" in /etc/enviroment = mysql admin still crashes
[04:39] <ehird> but it works with export in terminal then running mysql-admin from it
[04:40] <ehird> weird works now
[04:41] <abattoir> bobulatorm: hmm, sorry, vmware is not loading up, so i can't test it... my guess is that the cd wasn't burnt properly
[04:41] <bobulatorm> ive tried it with a proper pressed one too :(
[04:41] <bobulatorm> and with a known working one
[04:41] <abattoir> bobulatorm: hmm, that's weird
[04:42] <abattoir> bobulatorm: have you tried the alternate cd?
[04:42] <abattoir> (but that loads the kernel in a similar fashion too, from what i've seen)
[04:42] <SHRIKEE> skript i believe the default formats the whole drive
[04:42] <bobulatorm> nope, downloading it now
[04:42] <bobulatorm> any other boot options?
[04:42] <bobulatorm> im guessing its a kernel thing?
[04:43] <bobulatorm> i thought linux24 was a 2.4 kernel but tis not working
[04:43] <abattoir> bobulatorm: linux24?
[04:43] <bobulatorm> as in, at the boot prompt
[04:44] <josh_> i can't play high definition wmv videos
[04:44] <zerak> do one have to disable the tvcard to get the sound to work, my sound is out and i know it some time past worked
[04:45] <BluesKaj> zerak, you shouldn't need to
[04:45] <zerak> BluesKaj i hope not, do you got any suggestion ?
[04:46] <BluesKaj> check your drivers ...have you updated your desktop (KDE) or your OS ?
[04:46] <zerak> BluesKaj i remembered that there was some command to test the sound system (there are many but a specifik program), used it yesterday and got file not found error or something
[04:47] <dude_> pls help
[04:47] <zerak> all but those who replaces other programs, i have to tell it to replace but havent done so since i dont know what i would be doing
[04:48] <BluesKaj> check Kmix , make sure it's installed
[04:48] <bayer> is there a way to verify all packages on my system - similar to rpm -V ?
[04:49] <zerak> got it right down there in the corner, it shows 2 kinds, the soundblaster live 24 or as it say ca0106
[04:49] <dude_> pls help me on my kaffeine player
[04:49] <zerak> and another
[04:50] <josh_> ok i'm going to go install windows xp
[04:50] <josh_> cuz vista is good, but bad for gaming
[04:50] <dude_> abattoir: are you busy?
[04:50] <josh_> how do i reinstall grub?
[04:50] <BluesKaj> soundblaster is your soundcard ...kmix is the program that controls the sound volume and inputs
[04:50] <abattoir> dude_: why?
[04:50] <LeeJunFan> !grub
[04:50] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[04:51] <dude_> abattoir: kaffeine is busted, it won't open
[04:51] <BluesKaj> !Kmix
[04:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about Kmix - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:51] <josh_> thanks
[04:51] <zerak> i know, but alsa use CA0106 as the name for  <=> soundblaster live! 24 bit
[04:51] <BluesKaj> KMix
[04:51] <BluesKaj> !KMix
[04:51] <zerak> and Kmix shows the information that alsa tells it
[04:51] <abattoir> dude_: what did you do when it last ran? was it closed properly?
[04:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about KMix - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:51] <NicksteLAptop> Hey all
[04:51] <abattoir> dude_: try 'killall kaffeine', tell me if there is any output in a terminal
[04:52] <NicksteLAptop> Can one compile code from the live cd?
[04:52] <dude_> abattoir: nothing, i just played a video then closed it
[04:52] <apokryphos> !anyone
[04:52] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[04:52] <abattoir> NicksteLAptop: sure, but you'll need to install extra packages
[04:52] <NicksteLAptop> such as?
[04:52] <apokryphos> NicksteLAptop: check the FAQ
[04:52] <abattoir> NicksteLAptop: what are you trying to compile?
[04:52] <Bubba_Gump> :)
[04:52] <dude_> abattoir: no output
[04:52] <NicksteLAptop> kismit  :)
[04:52] <vandenoever> Media change: please insert the disc labeled
[04:52] <vandenoever>  'Kubuntu 6.10 _Edgy Eft_ - Release i386 (20061025)'
[04:52] <vandenoever> in the drive '/cdrom/' and press enter
[04:53] <vandenoever> how can i avoid this?
[04:53] <abattoir> dude_: hmm, then it isn't running, try 'kaffeine' in a terminal... see what it says
[04:53] <apokryphos> vandenoever: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and comment out the CD line
[04:53] <apokryphos> vandenoever: then save it, and sudo apt-get update
[04:54] <vandenoever> apokryphos: thanks!
[04:54] <abattoir> NicksteLAptop: you mean kismEt?
[04:54] <joserocha> I'm trying tou use the Java EE package. But I'm having problems in execute update-java-alternative. Could someone help me? I'm using kubuntu edgy.
[04:54] <NicksteLAptop> that one! :)
[04:54] <abattoir> NicksteLAptop: install build-essential
[04:54] <dude_> abattoir: its running : ), what happened?
[04:54] <NicksteLAptop> abattoir: what is build-essential?
[04:55] <georgeb> joserocha: try running sudo update-alternatives --config java
[04:55] <abattoir> NicksteLAptop: it's a meta package which pulls down the most common stuff needed for compiling packages...make sure you have additional kismet dependencies, if any, installed
[04:55] <abattoir> !b-e | NicksteLAptop
[04:55] <ubotu> NicksteLAptop: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[04:55] <zerak> I thought Edgy was a sharp version, seems more as a beta
[04:55] <josh_> yeah really eh
[04:55] <kuto2> hmm odd when one is better than the other
[04:55] <dude_> abattoir: its running : ), what happened?
[04:55] <zerak> dapper gave me network problem, edgy gives sound problem
[04:55] <josh_> i was gonna go amd64 too
[04:56] <josh_> that would have been a mistake
[04:56] <abattoir> dude_: close it, and try launching it from kmenu(or wherever you were trying to launch it from before), see if it works from there now
[04:57] <dude_> abattoir: ya, its working, but what happened?
[04:57] <abattoir> dude_: don't know ;)
[04:57] <dude_> abattoir: ok, thanks
[04:57] <abattoir> dude_: could be PEBKAC too ;)
[04:57] <kuto2> kde icons are cool
[04:57] <kuto2> atleast in my version
[04:58] <Th3_Cr0up13R> hey guys, whats a valid theme type coz my files are gone quite small and the description is gone white and i cannot see anythin what they are called
[04:58] <Th3_Cr0up13R> i nee to change this in order to do some work
[04:58] <kuto2> how do i beryl in kde?
[04:58] <dude_> abattoir: PEBKAC
[04:58] <abattoir> Th3_Cr0up13R: there are different 'themes types' what do you exactly mean?
[04:59] <abattoir> !beryl | kuto2
[04:59] <ubotu> kuto2: beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/  -  Please see #ubuntu-xgl for help with beryl.
[04:59] <Th3_Cr0up13R>  i mean i tried to change the theme from what i already got
[04:59] <Th3_Cr0up13R> well , the exact actions were
[04:59] <Th3_Cr0up13R> i donwloaded some themes from kde-look
[04:59] <abattoir> Th3_Cr0up13R: you want to switch back to the default one?
[05:00] <joserocha> I tried. But I didn't install the java-sun by the apt-get. I had installed the sun package for EE earlier. Do I have to install the java-sun anyway? Cannot I use the earlier installation?
[05:00] <Th3_Cr0up13R> unziped them to a folder
[05:00] <abattoir> Th3_Cr0up13R: which 'theme' is this exactly, kde can be 'themed' in a lot of ways
[05:00] <Th3_Cr0up13R> system settings/appearence/
[05:00] <dude_> abattoir: can you pls look at this error, im always getting this message when im using terminal http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30281/
[05:00] <kuto2> brb
[05:00] <Th3_Cr0up13R> well im on default oo
[05:00] <vandenoever> is there a package i need to compile stuff with cmake? i've already build-essentials
[05:00] <Th3_Cr0up13R> now
[05:01] <Th3_Cr0up13R> but its still the same
[05:01] <Th3_Cr0up13R> the names on the files are white
[05:01] <abattoir> !baddevice | dude_
[05:01] <ubotu> dude_: If you are getting errors similar to "X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168", then please read this page: http://www.linuxfordummies.org/index.php?topic=579.0
[05:01] <Th3_Cr0up13R> cannot see any of it the background is white
[05:01] <abattoir> Th3_Cr0up13R: you'd need to change the colours then, choose the colours module
[05:02] <abattoir> Th3_Cr0up13R: it'd be helpful if you actually say which 'theme', or give me a link
[05:02] <dude_> abattoir: k copy, tnx
[05:02] <skript> great... looks like im gonna have to dload the 'alternate install cd' JUST because i don't want grub in my MBR... one *simple* option missing and I'm forced to downloading a whole new iso image... :(
[05:02] <vandenoever> Riddell: is there a package i need to compile stuff with cmake? i've already build-essentials
[05:03] <georgeb> Th3_Cr0up13R: Kmenu -> Settings -> Appearance -> Colours and play around :)
[05:03] <abattoir> !info cmake
[05:03] <ubotu> cmake: A cross-platform, open-source make system. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.4.3-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 4980 kB, installed size 12028 kB
[05:03] <abattoir> vandenoever: ^^^ ??
[05:03] <vandenoever> abattoir: yes, i've installed it
[05:03] <vandenoever> but cmake tells me
[05:04] <vandenoever> MESSAGE The C compiler "gcc" is not able to compile a simple test program.
[05:04] <vandenoever> It fails with the following output:
[05:04] <vandenoever>  make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
[05:04] <Th3_Cr0up13R> The theme is the kde-default
[05:04] <vandenoever> i do have gcc and g++
[05:04] <Th3_Cr0up13R> the blue and white one
[05:04] <Th3_Cr0up13R> well the color scheme is the kde default
[05:04] <loran> where is grub to be installed
[05:05] <dude_> abattoir: i dont wanna edit my xorg
[05:05] <dude_> :)
[05:05] <abattoir> dude_: it's nothing major, you can just ignore that error
[05:05] <dude_> abattoir: it might crash again :)
[05:06] <Th3_Cr0up13R> as for the theme it doesnt matter which one i use it will still not change
[05:06] <Th3_Cr0up13R> i changed the colors
[05:06] <abattoir> vandenoever: sorry, try asking at #kubuntu-devel maybe someone there can answer you, if they are around
[05:06] <Th3_Cr0up13R> but it still doesnt ork
[05:06] <vandenoever> abattoir: ok, thanks
[05:06] <dude_> abattoir: so whats that error message?
[05:07] <abattoir> dude_: no, the X error is completely unrelated to kaffeine not starting, X looks for a Wacom device (a tablet), since it can't find it, it complains
[05:07] <loran> i'm installing kubuntu edgy and need to know where to install grub
[05:07] <josh_> it installs by itself
[05:07] <dude_> abattoir: ohh ok...:) tnx
[05:07] <abattoir> dude_: as i said, you can edit xorg.conf if you don't want to see it, but you can safely ignore it too
[05:08] <dude_> abattoir: k
[05:08] <abattoir> loran: do you have other operating systems?
[05:08] <loran> no
[05:08] <abattoir> loran: then on the MBR
[05:08] <dude_> abattoir: how many distro are you using?
[05:08] <loran> i took xp off
[05:08] <abattoir> dude_: only kubuntu, i386 and amd64
[05:09] <loran> grub to be installed to hd0 is this correct?
[05:09] <dude_> abattoir: have you tried suse
[05:10] <LeeJunFan> well if not for a misbehaving pci port the sound card was plugged into, my 7 yr old's install of kubuntu would have went pretty flawles.
[05:10] <LeeJunFan> s/flawles/flawless
[05:11] <abattoir> loran: yes, that's correct
[05:11] <abattoir> dude_: yes, i have
[05:11] <loran> i tried that and it didn't work
[05:11] <loran> i formatted the drive using the install formatter
[05:12] <abattoir> loran: you are using the alternate cd right?
[05:12] <loran> live cd
[05:12] <abattoir> loran: hmm, what other options are there?
[05:13] <marco> anybody can help me?
[05:13] <marco> how can I put the cd-rom drive in my repositories?
[05:13] <loran> you can click on the blue underlined text that says (hd0) and change the location but I don't know where to
[05:14] <abattoir> marco: put the cdrom into the drive and run 'apt-cdrom add' in a terminal
[05:14] <marco> and that will add it automatically to my repositories?
[05:14] <abattoir> loran: what is the disk layout, what are the other partitions?
[05:14] <abattoir> marco: yes, it'll scan the cd for packages and add it to sources.list
[05:15] <ricanelite> Hello all!!! I'm using Edgy and where can I get gnuetlla, I think thats how you spell it
[05:15] <marco> ok
[05:15] <abattoir> marco: 'man apt-cdrom' should give you more info
[05:15] <marco> I try now
[05:15] <abattoir> ricanelite: you want a 'client' for gnutella?
[05:15] <abattoir> !apollon
[05:15] <ubotu> apollon: KDE-based interface to the giFT file-sharing system. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.1-5 (edgy), package size 444 kB, installed size 1668 kB
[05:15] <loran> There are 3 partitions and they were all formatted
[05:15] <ricanelite> I use to use gnetellas
[05:15] <ricanelite> i guess a client
[05:15] <abattoir> ricanelite: try apollon
[05:16] <kuto2> adept is cool
[05:16] <ricanelite> where can I download it from?
[05:16] <abattoir> ricanelite: it is a client for gnutella(limewire), FastTrack(Kazaa) and OpenFT
[05:16] <abattoir> ricanelite: first enable universe(and multiverse)
[05:16] <abattoir> !universe | ricanelite
[05:16] <ubotu> ricanelite: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[05:16] <borja> hi
[05:16] <borja> when i sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop i get a black screen
[05:16] <borja> and cannot do anything
[05:16] <abattoir> ricanelite: then search for apollon in adept, and install it
[05:17] <borja> nothing
[05:17] <borja> im trying to install the nvidia beta drivers
[05:17] <borja> but cannot stop kdm and type
[05:17] <borja> anny suggestions?
[05:17] <kuto2> how do i enable xgl guys
[05:17] <abattoir> !xgl | kuto2
[05:17] <ubotu> kuto2: Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL)  -  Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager  -  Help in #ubuntu-xgl  -  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[05:18] <ricanelite> alright thanks alot
[05:18] <loran> hda1 hda2 and hda5
[05:18] <abattoir> borja: have you tried switching to another virtual terminal?
[05:18] <marco> no
[05:18] <marco> it deoesen't worl
[05:18] <marco> work
[05:18] <ricanelite> what is your thoughts on Edgy??
[05:19] <marco> it doesen't add my cd rom drive to the repos
[05:19] <marco> I need to install the newest version of Openoffice on my computer
[05:19] <abattoir> loran: hmm, do you want to try installing it manually?
[05:19] <marco> but I cannot
[05:19] <borja> abattoir: whats that
[05:19] <borja> ctrl alt f1?
[05:19] <abattoir> borja: what's what?
[05:19] <marco> well, if I try apt-get it gives me some error
[05:19] <loran> yes but i don't understand some terms
[05:19] <abattoir> borja: oh yeah, yes
[05:19] <marco> like the package is incomplete
[05:19] <abattoir> borja: tried that?
[05:20] <borja> ill try it now
[05:20] <borja> ill come back and tell u the result
[05:20] <borja> thanks
[05:20] <abattoir> marco: did you run apt-get update?
[05:20] <marco> and if I try from adept it breapks
[05:20] <marco> yes
[05:20] <marco> of course
[05:20] <marco> nothing changed
[05:21] <marco> I can try downloading the .tar file from the website but once unzipped all I get is a bunch of .rdm files
[05:21] <marco> or something like that
[05:21] <abattoir> marco: is there a new entry in sources.list?
[05:21] <marco> no
[05:21] <marco> no new entries
[05:21] <abattoir> marco: did you run it w/ sudo?
[05:21] <marco> yes
[05:22] <dude_> abottoir: new error message, i already fixed the 168 error, now its 169 - X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 169
[05:22] <abattoir> dude_: both are similar...
[05:22] <abattoir> dude_: same cause
[05:22] <marco> I try to add this to my repos deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 6.06.1 _Dapper Drake_ - Release i386 (20060806.1)] / dapper main restricted
[05:23] <mc__> how to set up static networking?
[05:23] <marco> what do u think?
[05:23] <ehird> how do you make a symlink
[05:23] <ricanelite> okay, I just finish installing Apollon and when I open it up it says Where is your giFT?
[05:23] <abattoir> marco: sure, if it doesn't work you can always remove it
[05:23] <mc__> ehird: ln -s source target
[05:24] <mc__> ricanelite: sudo apt-get install gift
[05:24] <ricanelite> thank you
[05:24] <marco> no
[05:24] <abattoir> ricanelite: gift wasn't installed?
[05:24] <marco> it still doesen't let me install openoffice
[05:25] <georgeb> marco: what's the error ?
[05:25] <teller> hi
[05:25] <marco> it breaks in adept, like there is a crash in the language support and the files
[05:25] <marco> and apt-get says the same
[05:26] <SHRIKEE> bugger
[05:26] <abattoir> marco: wait, let me try
[05:26] <ricanelite> nah it install
[05:26] <ricanelite> now Apollon is open and it is trying to establish a connection
[05:26] <abattoir> ricanelite: make sure you have gift plugins installed too
[05:26] <teller> Konqueror doesn't seem to work with Google maps.
[05:26] <teller> Does anyone know of a workaround ?
[05:26] <ricanelite> where can I check for that?
[05:26] <abattoir> ricanelite: gnutella plugin was installed?
[05:27] <ricanelite> I have to see?
[05:27] <ricanelite> Where can I check that out?
[05:27] <abattoir> teller: try changin the User Agent to Firefox
[05:27] <abattoir> ricanelite: does it say Gnutella next to OpenFT ?
[05:27] <georgeb> marco: try sudo apt-get clean; sudo apt-get update ; and try to install after that
[05:27] <abattoir> ricanelite: in the main 'Connection' window(iirc)
[05:27] <marco> what does sudo apt-get clean does?
[05:28] <linuxcore> ciao a tutti
[05:28] <linuxcore> qualcuno pu darmi una mano?
[05:28] <georgeb> marco: clean  clears  out  the  local  repository  of  retrieved  package  files
[05:28] <loca|host> I want to install a free internet navigation computer, i would like to only get firefox and a cups configuration for a local printer in it, nothing else, what do you suggest me ?
[05:28] <ricanelite> I just finish installing Gift, and when I open Apollon again i get the same message could not locate your gift please select the path to your gift like /.../share/gift
[05:28] <abattoir> !it
[05:28] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[05:29] <linuxcore> grazie
[05:29] <linuxcore> good evenig
[05:29] <abattoir> prego
[05:29] <ricanelite> and if I click on Okay and then a window opens that is select folder
[05:29] <linuxcore> thank's
[05:29] <abattoir> ricanelite: close apollon
[05:30] <abattoir> ricanelite: and run gift-setup in a terminal(konsole)
[05:30] <ricanelite> okay
[05:30] <abattoir> ricanelite: choose the default for most options(except the first one)
[05:30] <teller> abattoir: thanks, I'll do that
[05:30] <ricanelite> type sudo run gift-setup
[05:30] <abattoir> teller: wait, what did i tell you? :P
[05:30] <abattoir> teller: oh the UA fix ok
[05:31] <abattoir> ricanelite: not sure if sudo is necessary
[05:31] <teller> abattoir: the UA fix doesn't work, I'm afraid.
[05:31] <marco> still nothing
[05:31] <abattoir> teller: it works fine here in 3.5.5
[05:31] <teller> I still have some error message about the zoom level being wrong (which it isn't.
[05:31] <teller> abattoir: I'll check my version
[05:31] <teller> abattoir: I have 3.5.2
[05:32] <marco> conflict with the files language-support-en and language-support-us
[05:32] <abattoir> teller: i think it should work there as well
[05:32] <marco> which I cannot cancel
[05:32] <ricanelite> ok
[05:33] <ricanelite> which one i select? it says /main/setup [0]  and the default : 0
[05:33] <jeroenvrp> how to hide or disable the 'hibernate computer' button, when I log off in kde?
[05:33] <marco> georgeb....what should I do now?
[05:33] <Shan`> how do i shut down X?
[05:33] <marco> can I install it manually?
[05:34] <Shan`> thru console?
[05:34] <georgeb> marco: what exactly do you want to install ? what package do you select ?
[05:34] <jeroenvrp> Shan`: sudo /etc/init.d kdm stop[
[05:34] <jeroenvrp> Shan`: sudo /etc/init.d kdm stop
[05:35] <Shan`> thanx
[05:35] <marco> openoffice.org
[05:35] <Bubba_Gump> :))
[05:35] <marco> I know there is a downloadable .tar file on the website
[05:35] <marco> but once I open it there is just a bunch of Rdm or something like that files
[05:35] <marco> no .deb files or anything
[05:36] <georgeb> marco: rpm=redhat packet manager; same as debs but mainly for RH systems (other distros can also use them)
[05:36] <marco> rpm files
[05:36] <georgeb> marco: can you paste the full output ?
[05:36] <georgeb> !paste
[05:36] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[05:37] <marco> the full output of what?
[05:37] <ricanelite> i think the servers might be down, because im assuming i have everything right for Apollon but it is still not connecting
[05:37] <Shan`> i just installed BitchX using Adept
[05:37] <ricanelite> and im trying to head over to the gift site and the website is not coming up
[05:38] <Shan`> where does it install it?
[05:38] <dude_> what is this error message:? /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 : : No such file or directory
[05:38] <georgeb> marco: of sudo apt-get install openoffice.org
[05:38] <abattoir> Shan`: you mean in the menu?
[05:38] <Shan`> no
[05:38] <Shan`> if i need to launch it thru console
[05:39] <marco> Lettura della lista dei pacchetti in corso... Fatto
[05:39] <abattoir> bitchx doesn't work?
[05:39] <marco> Generazione dell'albero delle dipendenze in corso... Fatto
[05:39] <marco> Alcuni pacchetti non possono essere installati. Questo pu voler
[05:39] <lupine_85> !it
[05:39] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[05:39] <marco> dire che  stata richiesta una situazione impossibile oppure, se
[05:39] <marco> si sta usando la distribuzione "unstable", che alcuni pacchetti
[05:39] <dude_> abattoir: QLayout "unnamed" added to QWidget "unnamed", which already has a layout <--- what is this?
[05:39] <marco> richiesti non sono ancora stati creati o rimossi da incoming.
[05:39] <marco> Poich  stata richiesta solo una singola operazione  molto facile che
[05:39] <abattoir> dude_: where do you get it?
[05:39] <marco> il pacchetto semplicemente non sia installabile, si consiglia
[05:39] <marco> di inviare un "bug report" per tale pacchetto.
[05:39] <marco> Le seguenti informazioni possono aiutare a risolvere la situazione:
[05:39] <abattoir> Shan`: bitchx in a terminal doesn't work?
[05:40] <marco> I seguenti pacchetti hanno dipendenze non soddisfatte:
[05:40] <marco>   openoffice.org-l10n-en-gb: Dipende: openoffice.org-common (>= 2.0.3) ma 2.0.2-2ubuntu12.1 sta per essere installato oppure
[05:40] <abattoir> !paste | marco
[05:40] <ubotu> marco: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[05:40] <marco>                                       language-support-en ma non sta per essere installato
[05:40] <Shan`> jeroenvrp sudo /etc/init.d kdm stop = command not found
[05:40] <dude_> abattoir: every time i run an application
[05:40] <marco>                              Va in conflitto: openoffice.org-core (< 2.0.3) ma 2.0.2-2ubuntu12.1 sta per essere installato
[05:40] <marco>   openoffice.org-l10n-en-us: Dipende: openoffice.org-common (>= 2.0.3) ma 2.0.2-2ubuntu12.1 sta per essere installato oppure
[05:40] <marco>                                       language-support-en ma non sta per essere installato
[05:40] <marco>                              Va in conflitto: openoffice.org-core (< 2.0.3) ma 2.0.2-2ubuntu12.1 sta per essere installato
[05:40] <marco>   openoffice.org-l10n-en-za: Dipende: openoffice.org-common (>= 2.0.3) ma 2.0.2-2ubuntu12.1 sta per essere installato oppure
[05:40] <marco>                                       language-support-en ma non sta per essere installato
[05:40] <marco>                              Va in conflitto: openoffice.org-core (< 2.0.3) ma 2.0.2-2ubuntu12.1 sta per essere installato
[05:40] <marco>   openoffice.org-l10n-ko: Va in conflitto: openoffice.org-core (< 2.0.3) ma 2.0.2-2ubuntu12.1 sta per essere installato
[05:40] <abattoir> Shan`: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[05:40] <marco> E: Pacchetto non integro
[05:40] <abattoir> !ops
[05:40] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind or trappist
[05:40] <apokryphos> marco: please do not paste in the channel, use a pastebin service.
[05:40] <abattoir> marco: please don't paste here
[05:41] <jeroenvrp> Shan`: when you do a ls /etc/init.d > is there something there
[05:41] <marco> ok, sorry
[05:41] <marco> where u want me to paste it
[05:41] <Hawkwind> abattoir: Sorry, just walked up to the computer
[05:41] <apokryphos> !pastebin
[05:41] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[05:41] <abattoir> Shan`: there is no space b/w init.d and kdm, there is a /
[05:41] <Hawkwind> marco: pastebin
[05:41] <marco> I can give u my hotmail account so we can chat there
[05:41] <dude_> abattoir: every time i run an application, i get this error, i already fixed 168 an 169 error: "/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 : : No such file or directory, QLayout "unnamed" added to QWidget "unnamed", which already has a layout
[05:41] <abattoir> Hawkwind: no problem, he wasn't causing any trouble, but was flooding a lot :(
[05:41] <marco> don't know how to use pastebin
[05:41] <Shan`> kk
[05:41] <marco> :(
[05:42] <apokryphos> marco: go to the link above
[05:42] <apokryphos> post your paste there, and then produce the link in here
[05:42] <Shan`> thanx abattoir
[05:42] <teller> abattoir: ok, I'll make do with FF in the meantime, thanks
[05:42] <abattoir> dude_: where do you get that?
[05:42] <abattoir> teller: ok :(
[05:42] <dude_> abattoir: every time i run an application in the console
[05:43] <abattoir> dude_: hmm, it could be harmless... did you get those before?
[05:43] <marco> ok, pasted...and now?
[05:43] <abattoir> marco: give the link here
[05:43] <abattoir> marco: and most probably, few of us would understand it
[05:43] <marco> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30285/
[05:43] <marco> I can translate for u
[05:43] <dude_> abattoir: just a few days ago
[05:44] <marco> I am deeply sorry with everybody, I didn't know about pastebin.... :( excuse me...
[05:44] <abattoir> marco: no problem :)
[05:44] <marco> thx
[05:44] <abattoir> dude_: you can ignore it if it isn't causing any issues
[05:45] <Hawkwind> marco: No worries.  We all did it at some point and didn't know either.  Now you know :)
[05:45] <dude_> abattoir: ok,
[05:45] <dude_> abattoir: it just annoys me.. :)
[05:45] <abattoir> dude_: try running amarok in a terminal ;)
[05:45] <noelvisagie> hello all
[05:46] <dude_> abattoir: no error
[05:46] <abattoir> dude_: no, i meant the flood of output you get ;)
[05:47] <dude_> abattoir: when i run amarok, there's no error but when i run kaffeine, it gives me that message
[05:48] <f> salut
[05:48] <f> hi
[05:48] <f> i just installed kubuntu on a computer of a friend, i can't get amarok playing music
[05:49] <abattoir> dude_: just checked, i get it too, so it's either a problem w/ the packaging, or w/ the coding, i suspect the latter... not much you can do ;)
[05:49] <abattoir> f: mp3?
[05:49] <georgeb> marco: there's a problem with the repo; on the cd you have version 2.0.2: openoffice.org-l10n-en-gb: Dipende: openoffice.org-common (>= 2.0.3) ma 2.0.2-2ubuntu12.1
[05:49] <josh_> !grub
[05:49] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[05:49] <marco> so? what I have to do?
[05:49] <abattoir> f: or any music at all?
[05:49] <f> ok forgot, now we have sound...
[05:49] <dude_> abattoir: i'll just close my eyes everytime i run kaffeine hehehe : )
[05:49] <f> but we haven't mp3
[05:50] <marco> any solution dor that?
[05:50] <georgeb> marco: use the pastebin to paste the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list ; you should setup a online repository
[05:50] <abattoir> dude_: or run it from a menu, katapult is nice :)
[05:50] <georgeb> marco: in the repos there is version 2.0.4 of OOo
[05:50] <georgeb> !repo
[05:50] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[05:51] <f> i installed dapper, how can i get amarok playing mp3s ?
[05:51] <dude_> abattoir: katapult? how do i use that?
[05:51] <Hawkwind> !mp3 | MsK`
[05:51] <ubotu> MsK`: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:52] <abattoir> MsK`: enable universe/multiverse, and get libxine-extracodecs
[05:52] <MsK`> ok
[05:52] <abattoir> MsK`: ^^^follow those links
[05:52] <abattoir> dude_: hit Alt+Space
[05:52] <abattoir> !katapult | dude_
[05:52] <ubotu> dude_: katapult is the new application launcher for KDE, to be used with applications, bookmarks, and Amarok playlists. Once you have installed, hit Alt+f2 -> katapult, then hit Alt+Space, and type what you want.
[05:54] <marco> ok nearly done
[05:54] <marco> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30286/
[05:54] <dude_> abattoir: when i hit alt+f2 it show a run command, so what is the purpose of alt+space?
[05:55] <arriesp_> bye people, go jogging
[05:55] <abattoir> dude_: it's a more 'friendly' and better-looking replacement
[05:55] <abattoir> dude_: and Alt+F2 can't do amarok playlists ;)
[05:55] <Shan`> i'm trying to install NVidia drivers and its     giving an error Unable to find          "ld"
[05:56] <Shan`> ??
[05:56] <dude_> abattoir: alt+space?
[05:56] <abattoir> dude_: yes, katapult
[05:56] <georgeb> marco: so, you're on dapper ?
[05:56] <dude_> abattoir: just shows the logo of katapult
[05:56] <marco> yes
[05:56] <Shan`> anyone?
[05:56] <abattoir> dude_: type something, kaffeine, for eg.
[05:57] <Raul12> i have .deb files in a the apt folder how to install them all at a time ...... ????
[05:57] <marco> actually I don't care to have the extra mega newest version of openoffice
[05:57] <marco> before I had the 2.0.3 and it was perfect for me
[05:57] <marco> I just want it back again
[05:57] <marco> even 2.0.2 or 2.0.4 are ok
[05:57] <marco> I mean
[05:57] <marco> I just need openoffice
[05:57] <dude_> abattoir: ohhh, thats nice....cool, alt+f2 and alt+space are almost the same
[05:58] <Raul12> is it  dpkg -i <folder name> *.*.deb    ?????
[05:58] <abattoir> dude_: you can perform calculations too
[05:58] <marco> I have lotsa very important documents i cannot read now
[05:59] <dude_> abattoir: in katapult?
[05:59] <Raul12> pls help ...
[05:59] <xunix> nice katapult :D
[05:59] <abattoir> Raul12: 'sudo dpkg -i *.deb' doesn't wok?
[05:59] <abattoir> *work
[05:59] <dude_> abattoir: that was cool !
[05:59] <abattoir> dude_: in both, actually
[05:59] <marco> I have just downloaded the .tar files of openoffice 2.0.4
[05:59] <marco> I can download the 2.0.3
[05:59] <Raul12> k
[05:59] <Raul12> tryin that
[05:59] <marco> but pls tell me how to make it work and install
[06:00] <dude_> abattoir: life is easy ... hehehe
[06:01] <dude_> abattoir: is there a luncher for mp3's? : )
[06:01] <abattoir> dude_: thank Mez, the next time you see him here, he'll appreciate it
[06:01] <Raul12> ya
[06:01] <abattoir> dude_: sure, katapult does that as well
[06:01] <Raul12> amarok
[06:01] <abattoir> dude_: try entering the name of a playlist/song
[06:01] <dude_> abattoir: really?
[06:01] <dude_> abattoir: ok, i'll try
[06:01] <abattoir> dude_: tbh, it's not very consistent here, but it works
[06:01] <abattoir> dude_: http://wiki.thekatapult.org.uk/Home should give you more info
[06:04] <loran> GRUB hard disk error after install...what to do?
[06:04] <georgeb> marco: do you have any files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ?
[06:05] <MsK`> in amarok, xine tells us that it cannot initialize audio device/driver, but when i told you that before, it started playing, dunno why...
[06:06] <georgeb> marco: also, comment the first line (the one with cd-rom) from /etc/apt/sources.list by putting a # as the first character on the line
[06:07] <MsK`> no idea to solve that ? :/
[06:07] <marco> no files in that directory
[06:08] <georgeb> marco: ok, now comment the line with cdrom; and run sudo apt-get update
[06:08] <georgeb> marco: and paste the output on http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[06:08] <marco> ok done
[06:10] <georgeb> marco: also paste the output from dpkg -l openoffice*
[06:10] <loran> GRUB hard disk error after install..does anyone know how to solve this problem?
[06:10] <mc__|umbauen> how to tell apollon which ports to use?
[06:10] <marco> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30289/
[06:10] <dude_> abattoir: it seems that its not working
[06:12] <dude_> abattoir: you mean to say, i can lunch a song in katapult?
[06:12] <marco> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30290/
[06:14] <binarystar> hi
[06:15] <dude_> abattoir: you there?
[06:16] <loran> is this moral support or technical support?
[06:16] <georgeb> marco: try sudo apt-get remove openoffice.org and sudo apt-get check and paste the output
[06:16] <BluesKaj> ppl here do their best ... mostly software support
[06:16] <dude_> abattoir: are you busy?
[06:18] <marco> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30291/
[06:19] <yacoob> All flash movies have a/v desynchronization. Is this a known bug?
[06:20] <TehUni> i used mdadm to create a raid1 array and it worked perfectly. then i rebooted and the set is gone! i've tried remounting it but it said md0 doesn't exist. how can i make it persist through reboots? (not my boot drive, btw)
[06:20] <georgeb> marco: you have half of openoffice installed :) open adept-manager and remove all installed packages starting with openoffice.org ; then install it again
[06:21] <marco> I tried
[06:21] <georgeb> marco: I think there's a package that is not compatible with the new version and this is why you can't install it; ie: Korean help for OpenOffice.org
[06:21] <marco> but it makes an error
[06:21] <marco> I cannot uninstall it from adept
[06:22] <marco> it says there is an error
[06:22] <BluesKaj> broken pkgs?
[06:22] <marco> can I uninstall it from konsole?
[06:22] <neosa-chris> ya
[06:22] <marco> how?
[06:22] <neosa-chris> sudo apt-get remove openoffice2 or somethin like that
[06:23] <soulrider> hi everyone
[06:23] <neosa-chris> sup
[06:23] <pacou> marco: i had to remove the language packages (openoffice-l10n*) first, to be able to remove openofficeee
[06:23] <soulrider> is it me or there havnt been any updates for edgy sicne it was rleeased ?
[06:23] <pacou> -ee
[06:23] <neosa-chris> naw there are
[06:23] <neosa-chris> go into system
[06:23] <georgeb> marco: you can try sudo apt-get remove openoffice.org-l10n*
[06:23] <neosa-chris> administration
[06:23] <neosa-chris> sofware sources
[06:24] <neosa-chris> and check all the boxes
[06:24] <neosa-chris> you'll get a few new updates
[06:24] <soulrider> i do sudo apt-get update and i dont get any updates
[06:24] <neosa-chris> :-)
[06:24] <soulrider> and yes, multiverse and universe is enabled :P
[06:24] <neosa-chris> naw sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:24] <marco> ther is an openoffice directory with 4 dictionary files on in my /etc/ directory ...have I got to remove it?
[06:24] <cauro> hey got a question about skype, mi micro does not seem to work with skype
[06:24] <georgeb> marco: also sudo apt-get remove openoffice.org-help*
[06:24] <soulrider> first i gotta update to see if there are any
[06:24] <cauro> anyone know why?
[06:24] <tictric> Hi, in edgy mounting of usb-sticks doesn't work like it did in dapper any longer. Even though I gave it a different mountpoint under properties -> mountpoint it
[06:24] <soulrider> then dist-upgrade
[06:24] <soulrider> tictric: works for me =/
[06:24] <tictric> it's using it's own joice of name
[06:24] <georgeb> marco: nope.. they are managed by apt-get
[06:25] <tictric> soulrider: I want it to mount as /media/fred but it keeps mounting as /media/usbdisk
[06:25] <soulrider> uhm
[06:25] <soulrider> maybe you need to add it to fstab
[06:25] <soulrider> im not sure
[06:25] <soulrider> or
[06:25] <marco> ok I am trying
[06:25] <soulrider> you can unmount it manually
[06:26] <soulrider> and mount it manually
[06:26] <soulrider> then maybe it will get auto mounted to /media/fred
[06:26] <marco> I have similar directories in usr/lib/ and usr/share/fonts
[06:27] <marco> ok it removed these files...
[06:27] <marco> now?
[06:27] <georgeb> marco: don't worry about those directories; the files from there are managed by apt-get
[06:27] <georgeb> marco: try sudo apt-get install openoffice.org again
[06:27] <marco> ok, the files have been removed!
[06:27] <loran> so one more time..GRUB hard disk error after install..anyone know how to install this?
[06:28] <marco> ok...let's see..
[06:28] <georgeb> loran: what exactly is the error ?
[06:28] <Wan_Stiller> hello
[06:28] <loran> GRUB hard disk error before boot
[06:28] <soulrider> loran:
[06:28] <neosa-chris> loran: whats your real error
[06:28] <soulrider> i can help you i think
[06:28] <marco> ok in 8 minutes I will be able to tell u if it worked
[06:28] <marco> :)
[06:28] <marco> hope so
[06:28] <loran> real?
[06:29] <soulrider> loran: tell em mor aobut your error
[06:29] <Wan_Stiller> i have a problem with an ati mobility radeon 9700
[06:29] <soulrider> when do you get it, when trying to select an OS from GRUB ?
[06:29] <loran> i installed kbuntu edgy from the live cd
[06:29] <Wan_Stiller> i have followed the istructions on the wiki page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[06:29] <neosa-chris> wan_stiller: doesn't everyone
[06:29] <soulrider> and you dont geta  grub ?
[06:29] <neosa-chris> lol
[06:29] <loran> not really technically savvy visa vis the terminology here yet
[06:30] <Wan_Stiller> but fglrxinfo still recognize the video card as an OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
[06:30] <neosa-chris> wanstiller: ATI is terribly not supported well...
[06:30] <Wan_Stiller> neosa-chris: i know... but on suse 10.1 it works well
[06:31] <Trollinator> that's because Suse is just a better Distro than kubuntu...
[06:31] <neosa-chris> wan_stiller: hmm...
[06:31] <neosa-chris> :-(
[06:31] <TFrog> i tend to disagree Trollinator
[06:31] <Wan_Stiller> neosa-chris: there's something i have forgotten to do
[06:31] <soulrider> Trollinator: i tried both
[06:31] <soulrider> i prefer kubuntu
[06:31] <neosa-chris> I dislike strongly configuring an ATI.
[06:31] <Wan_Stiller> i have installed the binary drivers
[06:31] <neosa-chris> sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:31] <TFrog> soulrider, i've tried Suse, Fedora Core, and Kubuntu.  i'll stick with Kubuntu
[06:32] <georgeb> loran: http://www.uruk.org/orig-grub/errors.html This error message will occur if the Stage 2 or Stage 1.5 is being read from a hard disk, and the attempt to determine the size and geometry of the hard disk fails.
[06:32] <BluesKaj> i beg to differ ..suse Yast sucks as a repos sytem ...breaks pkgs all over the place ...I switched to kubuntu due to the poor hardware recognition as well
[06:32] <dude_> abattoir: are you busy?
[06:32] <soulrider> BluesKaj: i second the Yast statement :P
[06:32] <georgeb> loran: also I saw a post where somebody said it solved this by a bios upgrade
[06:32] <neosa-chris> Did you change your driver when you installed?
[06:32] <Trollinator> BluesKaj: most Suse folks use smart pm since Suse 10.1
[06:32] <georgeb> loran: do you know what motherboard model do you have ?
[06:32] <Trollinator> yes, Zen really sucks, i must admit that, but it'snot a problem because of smart
[06:33] <loran> motherboard = asus p4b266
[06:33] <Trollinator> the only reason i'm still using kubuntu is that i haven't yet had the time to switch over to Suse.
[06:33] <zorglu_> q. what are the available software to capture the screen in order to do screencast
[06:33] <neosa-chris> i <3 asus mobo's
[06:33] <BluesKaj> well them Trollinator , why are you here ...go and have fun fixing yer Suse 10.1 , which i tried.
[06:33] <soulrider> yeah
[06:33] <TFrog> lol BluesKaj
[06:33] <neosa-chris> why are you in a ubuntu IRC trying to fix a suse problem?
[06:34] <Trollinator> I don't have time right now to do that..
[06:34] <BluesKaj> Suse <IP_ADDRESS>.4 ...no matter ...til they fix the repos .... it won't fly
[06:35] <TFrog> BluesKaj, i don't think i'll go back to Suse.  not enough software choices in repos.  seems the same with Fedora Core
[06:35] <Trollinator> BluesKaj: what's wrong with their repos?
[06:35] <Trollinator> TFrog: Ubuntu doesn't have enough software either.
[06:35] <marco> georgeb: thanks a lot
[06:35] <marco> now I have it
[06:35] <neosa-chris> really... screw rpm based OS's
[06:35] <neosa-chris> seriously... i'll only touch Debian based + Gentoo
[06:35] <TFrog> with over 20k packages in repos i beg to differ Trollinator
[06:35] <Trollinator> neosa-chris: have you tried smartpm?
[06:35] <marco> really thanks
[06:36] <neosa-chris> naw
[06:36] <Trollinator> TFrog: numbers are worthless. it doesn't have the software i need.
[06:36] <georgeb> loran: http://www.mepis.org/node/2773   two guys with Asus P4B MB with this problem solved by BIOS upgrade
[06:36] <georgeb> marco: no problem
[06:36] <BluesKaj> Trollinator, is just here to be a shit disturber ...ignore him!
[06:37] <TFrog> well that's a matter of choice too.  there's still software out there i have to compile or use "alien" on to get it to work correctly in Kubuntu.
[06:37] <marco> georgeb: really, I owe u a lot
[06:37] <Trollinator> see....
[06:37] <neosa-chris> haha now now.. he's a Linux user. Just ignore him
[06:37] <loran> thank you...checking those links now
[06:37] <marco> I go now
[06:37] <neosa-chris> INSTALL UBUNTU,Kubuntu,Or Xubuntu !
[06:37] <marco> thanks and bye
[06:37] <georgeb> marco: ok, bye
[06:37] <neosa-chris> see ya
[06:38] <Trollinator> suse is also a lot faster on my machine, don't know why
[06:38] <manulite> does anyone here know if IBM Rational Application Developer will run on kubuntu?
[06:38] <TFrog> neosa-chris, i haven't used Gentoo yet.  but been debating on it.  still can't figure out the install for FreeBSD or i'd try it as well
[06:38] <Trollinator> and YaST is sooo comfortable.
[06:38] <Shan`> trying to install nvidia drivers
[06:38] <Shan`> it gives me this error
[06:38] <Shan`> "You appear to be using Xorg release, but but nvidia-installer could not find pkg-config"
[06:39] <neosa-chris> TFrog: Gentoo used to be terrific.. but after a year of Gentoo i realize that Ubuntu "JUST WORKS" after Dapper
[06:39] <Trollinator> sudo aptitude reinstall pkg-config
[06:39] <Ahmuck> !quicktime
[06:39] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:40] <Trollinator> actually it doesn't "just work". Setting up PPPoE is much easier with ubuntu
[06:40] <Trollinator> um, with suse i mean
[06:40] <dennister> hi again all
[06:40] <TFrog> lol neosa-chris.  i tend to agree.  just a shame they haven't got ndiswrapper fixed in Edgy.  though i was able to compile it and get it working.  ocassionally i still get a DCOP popup instead of KDEwallet to popup when connecting to my network
[06:40] <Hawkwind> Trollinator: Maybe you should take all of this SuSe chat to #SuSe instead of here please
[06:40] <dennister> so i'm once again downloading the server: edgy i386 this time
[06:41] <dennister> hi Hawkwind :)
[06:41] <georgeb> Trollinator: just wondering, how did you setup pppoe on ubuntu ?
[06:41] <Hawkwind> Hey there dennister
[06:41] <neosa-chris> TFrog: Haha.. Ndiswrapper is garbage period... they are reallyyyy slow in development right now.. cuz most cards are... "just supported"
[06:41] <claudius> hi, does anyone know how i get the /lib/modules/*/build directory?
[06:41] <Trollinator> i didn't, i have a router. Try pppoeconf on the console
[06:41] <eilker> dennister: you may help many problems...as i had...
[06:41] <eilker> dennister: you may have many problems...as i had...
[06:42] <Trollinator> (you can do this graphically on Suse with YaST)
[06:42] <georgeb> Trollinator: lol, did that, but I was wondering if there is one easy, "true" way
[06:42] <dennister> even with the new stable release?
[06:42] <TFrog> neosa-chris, i'm not surprised.  however the so called "native drivers" for Broadcom are just another dirty hack.  you still have to use the windows driver to extract the firmware and you don't gett wireless G out of it
[06:42] <eilker> dennister: i suggest you to wait some more days...
[06:42] <Trollinator> georgeb: there isn't on ubuntu. Ubuntu doesn't ship _any_ utilities to make administration easier
[06:42] <dennister> pls don't tell me that! i'm at my wits end trying to solve problems with every other distro i've tried
[06:43] <Trollinator> which is why it's not actually very user friendly
[06:43] <eilker> dennister: some people have no problems, some have big problems, some people have some small problem, i hope you dont have any problem
[06:44] <neosa-chris> TFrog: If you even have a B or A Linksys or Cicso wireless card lieing around... they work PERFECT in linux
[06:44] <TFrog> unfortunately i don't.  my laptop came with the Broadcom chipset
[06:44] <eilker> dennister: check ubuntu forums for that...there was a vote for it
[06:44] <B-Minus> hey all
[06:44] <neosa-chris> oh man thats strange
[06:44] <B-Minus> i remember using a program to create a sources.list for you, but i dont remember the name
[06:45] <TFrog> neosa-chris, have you been reading up on "devicescape"
[06:45] <B-Minus> does anyone know ? :s
[06:45] <Hawkwind> B-Minus: easyubuntu ?
[06:45] <B-Minus> no it was another
[06:45] <dennister> well i certainly can't use my current distro...tried ubuntu server dapper on 64, with kubuntu desktop (couldn't get ivtv drivers 4 going) tried a couple other distros with ivtvdrivers pre-compiled, they don't work with my graphics card...
[06:45] <Hawkwind> !easyubuntu | B-Minus
[06:45] <ubotu> B-Minus: easyubuntu is easyubuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/  -  For help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu
[06:45] <B-Minus> i used it in gentoo
[06:45] <Hawkwind> B-Minus: automatix ?
[06:45] <johan12345i> is there a guide for how to install xgl on kubuntu edgy?
[06:45] <neosa-chris> yup
[06:45] <Hawkwind> !xgl | johan12345i
[06:45] <ubotu> johan12345i: Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL)  -  Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager  -  Help in #ubuntu-xgl  -  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[06:46] <neosa-chris> good ones too
[06:46] <dennister> i end up spending days or weeks with each attempt, to no avail
[06:46] <Trollinator> johan12345i: do you have an ATi card?
[06:46] <B-Minus> Hawkwind: no :s
[06:46] <neosa-chris> Install Beryl and Emerald
[06:46] <neosa-chris> its better
[06:46] <neosa-chris> lol
[06:46] <TFrog> it sounds nice neosa-chris.  however will the manufacturers work with it if it's deployed in the linux kernel
[06:46] <Hawkwind> !beryl | johan12345i
[06:46] <ubotu> johan12345i: beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/  -  Please see #ubuntu-xgl for help with beryl.
[06:46] <johan12345i> oh yeah i forgot. is there a guide for how to install xgl on kubuntu edgy with an nvidia card?
[06:47] <Trollinator> johan12345i: it's not a good idea to use Xgl with an nVidia card
[06:47] <neosa-chris> TFrog: The manufacturers 90% of the itme dont' make the drivers... Linux users do.. thats why their slow as balls
[06:47] <georgeb> johan12345i: what Hawkwind is trying to tell you is that you would have more success with Xgl questions on #ubuntu-xgl
[06:47] <B-Minus> Failed to fetch http://be.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/j/java-common/java-common_0.25ubuntu1_all.deb  404 Not Found
[06:47] <neosa-chris> well maybe a lil better then that.. idk..
[06:47] <apokryphos> huh? NVidia's are better supported for xgl than any other card
[06:47] <Trollinator> just get the latest Beta driver from ftp://download.nvidia.com and use X.org 7.1
[06:47] <B-Minus> :(
[06:47] <B-Minus> so there is somehting worng ?
[06:47] <B-Minus> wrong
[06:47] <johan12345i> Trollinator: really? i though xgl was made for nvidia
[06:47] <Hawkwind> johan12345i: I just gave you all the info
[06:48] <TFrog> i agree neosa-chris.  problem is Broadcom is too damn protective of their so called "intellectual property"
[06:48] <B-Minus> can anyone ping http://be.archive.ubuntu.com ?
[06:48] <johan12345i> okej thanks Hawkwind
[06:48] <B-Minus> its down :s
[06:48] <Trollinator> the only reason i'm still using kubuntu is that i haven't yet had the time to
[06:48] <TFrog> i wonder if i could go through the freedom of information act and the FCC to get info on their cards.  lol
[06:48] <Trollinator> ups
[06:48] <Trollinator> sorry
[06:49] <Trollinator> 5 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 4001ms
[06:49] <dennister> Hawkwind: when u have a minute?
[06:49] <neosa-chris> TFrog: Uhm... I really think that my friend was using Edgy on his laptop... and it "just worked"
[06:49] <neosa-chris> with his broadband card
[06:49] <Hawkwind> dennister: What's up ?
[06:49] <neosa-chris> Is your version of Edgy a beta or somethign? cuz the released version is what we isntalled on his comp
[06:50] <dennister> i'm being warned off the edgy i386...he says i may have big problems?
[06:50] <TFrog> yeah neosa-chris.  i'm on a Compaq R4125US laptop right now.  had it working with the "native drivers" once till an update for Edgy broke it.  then waited till the release candidate and tried ndiswrapper again.  it works with minimal fuss
[06:50] <Hawkwind> dennister: Very possible.  Some do, some don't.  Each system is different
[06:51] <dennister> that's the problem; everything else i've tried also gives me insurmountable problems
[06:51] <Hawkwind> dennister: I'm still on Dapper myself and probably won't upgrade to Edgy for a few more weeks yet
[06:52] <dennister> dapper i386 or 64?
[06:52] <neosa-chris> TFrog: haha i think your going to have to just kinda accept that for a while.... I have a feeling all the developers are taking a lil break.. seeing they did a ton of work towards edgy in a lil time
[06:52] <eilker> hawkwind: i was not intelligent like you....and now my system is crying...
[06:52] <TFrog> no doubt neosa-chris.  maybe we'll see some more new stuff with the next release
[06:52] <Hawkwind> dennister: i386.  I won't own a 64bit system for atleast another 18 months.  Things are just too unstable with 64Bit still.  Best to stick with a 32bit OS
[06:53] <dennister> yes, at least there aren't java probs with 386
[06:53] <thomas__> hi
[06:53] <eilker> dennister: check official explanations pls, and there is a debconf bug
[06:53] <TFrog> only beef i got with this laptop i'm typing on is the broken ATI drivers that haven't been fixed in a year or i'd be running more eye candy just to see if i like it
[06:53] <Hawkwind> dennister: I highly recommend that even if you have a 64Bit system, to install and run the 32bit OS.  You will be a lot better off
[06:53] <thomas__> have problem with edgy and ipw3945 since i reinstalled. could anybody help ? the module is loadet correctly
[06:53] <neosa-chris> TFrogP: I'm leaving now.. but good luck.. if you need anymore help; from me i have a website... www.neosa.chrismacc.com its still in development
[06:54] <dennister> yes, that's a firm decision: i386
[06:54] <TFrog> i second that Hawkwind.  i'm on a 64 bit laptop and chose the 32 bit version.  less problems
[06:54] <h3sp4wn> I would use a 64bit os on a 64bit chip
[06:55] <TFrog> h3sp4wn, too many apps still are not moving to 64bit.  it's why i stay with 32
[06:55] <h3sp4wn> TFrog: You can use schroot (or just build against ia32-libs-*
[06:55] <dennister> ubuntu server dapper/edgy i386 + kubuntu-desktop i386 * appropriate ivtv drivers for kernel + mythtv
[06:55] <Hawkwind> If you don't do serious number crunching, making movies and have 4GB of RAM, the 64Bit OS doesn't really benefit you as most people think it does.  You'll get some speed increase, but not as much as the system is designed for
[06:56] <h3sp4wn> You can also use a 64 bit kernel with a 32 bit userland
[06:56] <dennister> i was making original dvd movies
[06:56] <Hawkwind> Most everyday users don't want to deal with chroot and build against ia32-libs.  They just want to install the 64Bit OS and have it work.  That's not possible right now
[06:56] <TFrog> agreed Hawkwind.  plus most software still doesn't fully exploit 32 bit yet.  very few programs indeed use multithreading
[06:57] <dennister> but i'm done that now
[06:57] <Hawkwind> It's just like with everything else in the computer world......newest isn't fully supported for a couple of years or so and takes time to mature
[06:58] <Hawkwind> If you want something that works pretty much completely, use what's been around for years until the new stuff has been around for a few years
[06:58] <h3sp4wn> Its only a small hassle to build the few 32 bit apps you want against the 32bit libs
[06:58] <h3sp4wn> Most oss apps (or at least any that work on alpha) have been 64 bit ready for along time
[06:58] <dennister> ok, well server-edgy-i386 is downloaded now...i might as well try it...the prob was the ivtv drivers with dapper, and ivtv drivers really want to see upgraded kernels
[06:59] <dennister> if it doesn't work, it doesn't work
[06:59] <Hawkwind> Again, most everyday normal users don't want to deal with that.  They just want to install the OS and have it work.  That's not possible with a 64Bit system
[06:59] <Trollinator> so? there still is no point in 64 bit processors if you don't have >2GB of RAM
[06:59] <dennister> and i've been forewarned :)
[06:59] <thomas__> can anybody help me plz with ipw3945 ? knetworkmanager doesnt give the option of wireless, after a fresh install of edgy in /etc/network/interfaces there was no eth1, at the last installation it was ther .. but ipw3945 is loadet correctly and dmesg fount the intel wireless chip
[07:00] <TFrog> actually Trollinator it's not ram.  most developers haven't written multithreaded software yet.  especially not the game developers
[07:00] <Trollinator> TFrog: multicore CPU have nothing to do with 64 Bit
[07:00] <Trollinator> CPUs*
[07:00] <zorglu_> threading is dangerious when coding
[07:00] <TFrog> ahhhhhhhhh but it does do a lot with multithreading
[07:00] <georgeb> TFrog: but you can do some interesting stuff on multi-cpu; such as binding all your programs on one CPU, and the game on another ;-)
[07:01] <zorglu_> way too hard :)
[07:01] <TFrog> tis true georgeb
[07:01] <thomas__> nobody wants to help ?
[07:01] <eilker> people i am gonna buy a multi functional(it could be only laser too) printer, could you pls suggest me some printers which has no problem with kubuntu ?
[07:01] <Trollinator> zorglu_: well, it's difficult...
[07:01] <zorglu_> thomas__: or more 'dont know how' :)
[07:01] <Trollinator> eilker: www.linuxprinting.org
[07:01] <TFrog> now if i go multicore or multiple cpus then i'll be doing more graphics and video editing as well as other single threaded tasks at the same time
[07:01] <thomas__> hmm this could be too
[07:02] <eilker> Trollinator:thanx
[07:02] <TFrog> eilker, i use an old HP PSC1210 scanner/printer.  works fine with gimp and quietsane
[07:02] <Trollinator> The vast majority of Laser Printers uses PCL or PostScript, so there shouldn't be a problem
[07:03] <georgeb> Trollinator: it's about 4 GB RAM; on 32 bits you can address up to 4G (4*1024*1024*1024); if you want to use more than 4 GB in a 32bit computer, there is PAE (physical address extension) which allows you to use more than 4 GB, but this comes with extra CPU usage for extra-addressing, also one app still can't address more than 3.something GB ram
[07:03] <eilker> tfrog: it also has no problem with windows too ,right?
[07:03] <TFrog> exactly georgeb
[07:03] <h3sp4wn> Trollinator: (cross) Compiling is faster in 64 bit mode
[07:04] <Trollinator> how much? 10%?
[07:04] <TFrog> yes eilker.  it's an inkjet and it has no issues with windows or linux and i've used it on various distro's of linux
[07:04] <Trollinator> or even 20%?
[07:05] <johan12345i> how do i add a session in kde?
[07:05] <georgeb> Trollinator: an advantage of 64bit is that the CPU can transfer more info in one go; but this isn't usefull for most usual apps
[07:05] <loz> ubotu: how do i install s video on ubuntu edgy eft?
[07:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about how do i install s video on ubuntu edgy eft? - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:05] <georgeb> johan12345i: Kmenu -> Switch users ?
[07:06] <Trollinator> georgeb: i know the theoretical advantages. However, for now there's hardly any point
[07:06] <TehUni> can anyone help me setup raid 1 using mdadm? i have 3 drives.. 1 for boot and /, and 2 others for storage. i want those 2 in raid1.
[07:06] <loz> ubotu: svideo on ubuntu 6:10
[07:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about svideo on ubuntu 6:10 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:06] <dennister> with my current distro, i still have room for additional partitions, home and an xfs/video partition for media storage are separate; can i re-use the /home and /video partitions with the ubuntu server?
[07:07] <loz> ubotu:botsnack
[07:07] <ubotu> Yum!
[07:07] <dennister> i'd really like the kubuntu grub to overwrite the other grub anyway
[07:08] <johan12345i> geogreb: add a session not change session
[07:08] <dennister> kubuntu grub is much better than other distros, as it finds other OS (like windoze) on other drives and u don't even have to 'fool windoze'
[07:09] <Trollinator> every grub does that by now
[07:09] <ubuntu> hi
[07:09] <ubuntu> I have a big problem
[07:09] <dennister> my current one doesn't
[07:09] <Trollinator> ubuntu: you nickname you mean?
[07:09] <h3sp4wn> dennister: It is configured wrong then
[07:10] <zorglu_> !ask
[07:10] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[07:10] <georgeb> johan12345i: what do you understan by adding a session ? having another kde running at the same time with a different user ?
[07:10] <Trollinator> seriously, why do people call themselves "ubuntu"?
[07:10] <ubuntu> I have upgraded to Edgy, and now I don't have X server
[07:10] <dennister> well, it'll be overwritten soon :)
[07:10] <ubuntu> I will change it later
[07:10] <CVirus> Trollinator: they dont .. its just the IRC client that has the default nickname ubuntu
[07:10] <ubuntu> now I am on live CD
[07:10] <johan12345i> geogreb: no. add a session, so i can log in to that one later
[07:10] <Trollinator> i already feel jackass enough when i say ubuntu
[07:11] <Trollinator> ubuntu: tell us the error messages
[07:11] <ubuntu> ok
[07:11] <ubuntu> what I remember :)
[07:11] <h3sp4wn> ubuntu: /nick newnick
[07:11] <ubuntu> Connection refused (errno 111)
[07:11] <johan12345i> geogreb: add a new session to session-startup. like u can change between failsafe and kde. but i have one more, i want to add in the session-mannager
[07:12] <B-Minus> hmm
[07:12] <stamen> unable to connect to X server
[07:12] <dennister> ok pps...here goes nothin :)
[07:12] <dennister> bbl
[07:12] <georgeb> johan12345i: oh.. i don't know how/if you can do that
[07:12] <stamen> no such process (errno 3): Server error
[07:12] <stamen> so waht to do
[07:12] <Trollinator> stamen: please mount your hard disk and publish your /var/log/Xorg.0.log somewhere
[07:12] <stamen> xserver-xorg is rc
[07:12] <B-Minus> i cant run adept-manager anymore, it says : you will not be able to change your system settings .... because the db is in use by another app ... aptitude or aptget arent running
[07:13] <stamen> ok
[07:13] <johan12345i> geogreb: i know how to change it in gnome, but not kde
[07:13] <stamen> Trollinator: I will publish the log file
[07:13] <h3sp4wn> johan12345i: write a .desktop file
[07:13] <stamen> Trollinator: but I can't download the latest xorg server and nvidia-glx
[07:14] <johan12345i> h3sp4wn: where should i put it?
[07:14] <stamen> Trollinator: how to download them?
[07:14] <stamen> first
[07:14] <loz> hello to all, can anyone give me a link for installing the s video for watching films via my tv.? cheers