[02:39] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[07:44] <ducasse> good morning
[08:14] <TJ-> That feeling of frustration when you've spent 2 hours trying to get a 4K USB-C connected monitor to actually show something, only to find out the kernel driver in 20.04 was panicing... v5.10-rc5 to the rescue (albeit can't run @60Hz, so using 30Hz) !
[08:15] <lotuspsychje> aw
[08:15] <lotuspsychje> a screen panics on kernel 5.4?
[08:16] <TJ-> Yes - this is a "Ryzen 7 3700U with Radeon Vega Mobile Gfx" and the amdgpu F/LOSS driver
[08:17] <lotuspsychje> ah
[08:17] <lotuspsychje> amd needs higher kernels indeed
[08:17] <TJ-> Until today I've been using just the laptop's HDMI port with a portrait-oriented 2560x1080 2nd monitor - this morning I decided to connect a USB-C dock, that monitor, and a 4K 27" to give me more programming workspace
[08:18] <lotuspsychje> cool
[08:20] <TJ-> With the boss now having 3 screens and able to effeciently code it'll push others to work a bit harder :)
[08:20] <lotuspsychje> haha
[08:20] <lotuspsychje> yeah its not good to have the image of always being the guy that fixes everything
[08:21] <lotuspsychje> ppl rely on that tooo easy
[08:21] <lotuspsychje> thats why i like opensource solving, brainstorm togheter in a team
[08:21] <TJ-> mostly it's the fact that I've been sidetracked by business matters - the dev side needs more of my direction and insight
[08:22] <TJ-> unfortunately not enough time in the day
[08:22] <lotuspsychje> i bet
[08:22] <TJ-> plus of course I much prefer doing this hacking stuff than management :D
[08:23] <lotuspsychje> yeah in IT need to focus on the branch you do best
[08:23] <TJ-> the way things are going, we may end up being the fastest growing start-up ever
[08:23] <lotuspsychje> neat
[08:26] <TJ-> I'm planning on setting up a F/LOSS investment fund but not quite figured out how and what it should support and do
[08:45] <TJ-> looks like we need to be careful on 20.04 etc; thunderbird 78 is in -proposed and it seriously breaks Enigmail and PGP support, and once installed cannot go back to v68 due to 78 changing the profile config layout/settings
[09:49] <lotuspsychje> oh tnx TJ- does it break over the snap too?
[10:01] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: thunderbird is breaking enigmail because they now implement PGP themselves
[10:01] <lotuspsychje> ah i see
[10:58] <TJ-> also because TB is importing the keys from gnupg so you've now got 2 copies, plus it doesn't support hardware tokens
[11:56] <ducasse> what i hear from a friend is that it also sets it's own passphrase on the keys it uses, and stores that in the config
[11:56] <ducasse> i've not checked this myself yet
[11:58]  * daftykins awaits the full write-up
[12:22] <TJ-> Yes, it does
[12:22] <TJ-> it creates a 'random' password and stores that in its profile
[12:31] <ducasse> is that not a problem?
[12:37] <marcoagpinto> Heya!
[12:51] <ducasse> TJ-: my friend is pretty worried about the security of this setup, you got any thoughts on that?
[13:02] <TJ-> ducasse: yes - don't upgrade if you use PGP email
[13:03] <ducasse> right, he already did. now he's looking for an alternative client, but he's on macos so free options are limited
[13:04] <TJ-> £0 or free/libre ?
[13:05] <daftykins> is it the classic throwing the toys out of the pram move and wanting to hop software because it "did wrong?"
[13:05] <daftykins> rather than restoring from backup -> modifying the update mechanism
[13:07] <ducasse> i think he doesn't want to stick with software that won't receive any updates he can apply
[13:08] <TJ-> pretty easy privacy are currently working on updating their add-on for Thunderbird for Linux, so when that is complete that'll be available. That is already available on Macs
[13:11] <ducasse> great, thanks
[13:11] <ducasse> i'll inform him of that
[16:54] <tomreyn> TJ-: you probably noticed, so just in case: 5.8 is available in 20.04 via hwe-20.04 (as well as -edge, currently). but i think i read your needs 5.9 (IIRC).
[17:00] <TJ-> tomreyn: regarding the GPU/4k issue?
[17:01] <tomreyn> TJ-: yes
[17:03] <TJ-> tomreyn: we're running most of our systems with custom built kernels now so I just grabbed a 5.10 build - hadn't realised this laptop wasn't on one.
[18:54] <tomreyn> oh.. if you custom build anyways... i like the idea of not having to maintain everything myself, but certainly for larger installments this is a different story.
[18:54] <tomreyn> TJ-: ^
[19:00] <TJ-> ^to fix bugs!^
[19:21] <daftykins> squoosh 'em


[03:16] <mauricio> hola alguien me puede ayudr a como insal una wecam
[03:16] <mauricio>  en kbnyu
[03:16] <mauricio> en ubuntu
[03:17] <mauricio> o kubuntu
[03:58] <Mitchera> hello
[04:04] <swift110> hey
[04:20] <abbas> yo
[04:20] <abbas> anyone on?
[04:30] <swift110> hmm
 Hi  … I recently realised that different set of my keys dont work when used with left n right shift buttons. What could be the issue? Attached below is the set of keys that work with each shift.
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/Tysx469D/file_19702.jpg
 Is this a kernel issue?
[05:36] <q0_0p> anyone know how to fix issues with the mouse cursor is small on the window bar?
[06:08] <Ilgaz> It would be great if someone packaged this and added to Kubuntu distro https://github.com/donbowman/kde-auto-rotate
[06:12] <valorie> Ilgaz: does Debian use it?
[06:13] <valorie> imo the author should either work *within* KDE to get it released
[06:13] <valorie> or put it into the KDE store
[06:14] <Ilgaz> I think he coded it for himself and released in github to help others, when it works it works great
[06:14] <Ilgaz> I will suggest it as a "issue" report
[06:14] <valorie> we don't package random stuff from github
[06:15] <valorie> it's up to the author really
[06:31] <Ilgaz> Gnome side of Ubuntu got auto-rotate but KDE doesn't, I wish something like that was integrated to kde. A real kde setting of course
[06:42] <valorie> Ilgaz: the author should work with the kwin team & plasma team
[06:42] <valorie> really
[06:42] <valorie> I want auto-rotate too
[06:43] <valorie> suggesting to *us* to package this will go nowhere
[06:43] <valorie> the author needs to work with the KDE devels
[06:43] <valorie> if they don't want to do that, there is always the KDE store, as I said
[06:46] <Ilgaz> OK I understood, thank you
[06:47] <cacoponi25> how to install wifi driver for HP 745 laptop
[06:47] <RikMills> valorie: from Plasma 5.18 kickoff meeting notes "output rotation is certainly a TODO item for 5.18"
[06:48] <RikMills> Ilgaz: ^^
[06:48] <valorie> woot!
[06:48] <RikMills> not sure if there is a phab task yet
[06:49] <Ilgaz> wow that would be great
[07:23] <lordievader> Good morning
 Good morning everybody!
 Just wanted to say thank you again to the Kubuntu team! In the last weeks I had several moments of "I'm so glad I am using Kubuntu!" when other people have complained about their problems with either other distributions or Win/MacOS. Problems that just don't exist or are super easy to circumvent in Kubuntu! You guys make my computing life so much better!
 YW :)
[14:03] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
 @Linuxophil, This might make me eventually try Kubuntu Eoan Ermine
 I'm in search of a close to perfect Windows10 replacement
 ZorinOS 15 Core fits the bill, but the Gnome lag is horrendous to see the least
 I mean, even if my processor is just i3, it shouldn't lag like that badly.. Like Celeron
 Any reason why KDE Plasma is so light with the same features?
 @Rutvikm, @RikMills
[14:26] <BluesKaj> Rutvikm, most cases are the reverse withgnome vs kde comparisons
[14:37] <BluesKaj>  Rutvikm, however an I3 cpu can kde/plasma quite easily even if things a bit busy on your desktop
[14:37] <BluesKaj> *can run
 @Rutvikm, The short answer is: multithreading!
[18:40] <jubo2> I'm thinking of a a 18.04.3 -> 19.10 upgrade. Nothing weird installed and I have Timeshift installed and enabled, so I should be able to roll back should the upgrade break.
[18:56] <IrcsomeBot1> RisingDawn62 was added by: RisingDawn62
 @jubo2> I'm thinking of a a 18.04.3 -, Where are these msgs coming from
[19:28] <jubo2> Well you know sometimes it is known that there may be upgrade problems and sometimes there is wide ranging consensus that there shouldn't be problems
[19:28] <jubo2> kinda like asking that
[19:51] <IrcsomeBot1> mammie G. Harmon was added by: mammie G. Harmon
[20:53] <user|91241> hello
[20:53] <user|91241> guys, i m having a problem installing kubuntu
[20:54] <bprompt> user|91241:  such as?
[20:54] <user|91241> i get that errno5 input/output
[20:54] <user|91241> error
[20:54] <user|91241> i tried running ubiquity --no-migration-assistant
[20:54] <user|91241> and i got a deprecationwarning
[20:54] <user|91241> and ubiquity error no suck option
[20:54] <user|91241> such*
[20:55] <user|91241> can anyone help? :)
[20:57] <bprompt> user|91241:  are you using the installation iso? I mean, wondering where you typed the command
[21:00] <user|91241> yes
[21:01] <user|91241> i typed it in the terminal
[21:01] <user|91241> i m using the live cd
[21:03] <bprompt> user|91241:  live cd? is that 12.04?
[21:47] <IrcsomeBot1> BEVERLY BAERT was added by: BEVERLY BAERT
[22:06] <valorie> hmmm, I've never heard of upgrading from a live session in that way
[22:08] <bprompt> or from a CD, in the last 10 years =)
[22:17] <valorie> ha, yes
[22:17] <valorie> I sometimes still call them CDs because they look the same
[22:17] <valorie> <--- old
[22:21] <RikMills> please insert cd 3/5 to proceed!
[22:21]  * RikMills shudders
[22:24] <valorie> I remember those days and shudder as well
[22:25] <valorie> music was fun though
[22:28] <bprompt> video killed the radio star!!, now we just need a rap-remix of nand-ram killed the optical star!!!
[22:29] <valorie> lol
[22:40] <OerHeks> but next gen is glass ..
[22:42] <bprompt> Nand is moving up up, I think 256gbs microsdXC cards are already in the market
[22:42] <bprompt> hell I saw 64gbs sticks the other day for $5US
[23:05] <valorie> wow, I guess I shouldn't care about my dead 32gb stick
[23:06] <valorie> it was nice looking though
 @bprompt, Yeah, they are. I have a 256GB card in my phone 😅
[23:14] <bprompt> yeap, I have a 64gbs on mine =)


[01:08] <snadge> so i see new pre-release drivers are in vivid.. cool.. i think, maybe i can steal them and use them in 14.10
[01:09] <snadge> oh this is for fglrx
[01:09] <snadge> short answer no :P
[02:38] <snadge> im doing a sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[02:38] <snadge> just because i want to try out the new catalyst driver ;)
[03:52] <snadge> works.. top job fellas.. i've been trying to break this thing.. i really have.. but all my stuff is still working
[03:52] <snadge> how dare you not break anything.. you're obviously not trying hard enough
[05:37] <lotuspsychje> !info libreoffice
[05:38] <lotuspsychje> nice
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> mutual: there are lot of cool improvements already, libreoffice 4.4, systemd, and many more
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> mutual: but i would wait to stable release
[06:28] <mutual> lotuspsychje, what's new in libreoffice 4.4?
[06:29] <mutual> lotuspsychje, and what is this unity 8 stuff i hear about?
[06:29] <mutual> lotuspsychje, and idk how systemd will affect my experience
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> mutual: there an article on omgubuntu on libreoffice revamp
[06:29]  * mutual googling
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> !info unity
[06:29] <mutual> ^you tried
[06:29] <mutual> oh
[06:29] <mutual> just delayed
[06:30] <mutual> i know what unity is
[06:30] <mutual> just not what changed
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> just wanted to see the version
[06:30] <mutual> ah
[06:30] <mutual> woah this looks much better
[06:30] <mutual> so how do i upgrade if i want to
[06:31] <lotuspsychje> check the daily builds in topic
[06:32] <mutual> wait
[06:32] <mutual> i have to download an iso??
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> but i would wait its final release
[06:32] <mutual> ok
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> mutual: you will get a nice window for upgrading perhaps
[06:32] <mutual> would mesa 10.5 give graphics improvements though?
[06:32] <mutual> for games?
[06:32] <mutual> on intel
[06:33] <lotuspsychje> not sure on that1 sorry
[06:33] <mutual> ok np
[06:33] <mutual> thanks for your help
[06:34] <lotuspsychje> mutual: you can sure idle here to see future changes
[06:34] <lotuspsychje> or looking up packages info
[06:35] <mutual> i'm sorry can you rephrase please
[06:35] <lotuspsychje> mutual: you can stay in this channel (idle) to see future changes on 15.04
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> mutual: or lookup !info package-name to see what changed exactly
[06:36] <mutual> ah
[06:36] <mutual> thanks
[10:10] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[10:28] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:11] <aftereyo> Hello
[11:12] <lordievader> o/
[18:09] <jnxd> Hi. I am trying to add a kubuntu 15.04 beta 1 to my laptop which already has a ubuntugnome 14.04 installed. Has anyone tried such thing, and how safe/unsafe is it?
[18:10] <lordievader> jnxd: I'd try the beta in a VM or on a secondary machine which is allowed to break from time to time.
[18:18] <aftereyo> I have it install on my laptop
[18:18] <aftereyo> I would install it again
[18:18] <aftereyo> but beware it does a a few glitches
[18:18] <aftereyo> But it looks soooo good
[18:19] <aftereyo> and you know ^^ doesn't apply to most linux distros
[18:19] <penguin42> hmm, yes I should try 15.04.1
[18:26] <aftereyo> Plasma 5 will be the no goto distro for me
[18:26] <aftereyo> They really did a good job
[18:29]  * BluesKaj is not totally sold on plasma 5 ...yet
[18:30] <Daekdroom> "no goto"?
[18:31] <aftereyo> BluesKaj: it needs tweaking but it's a very good start
[18:32] <penguin42> BluesKaj: It's still got a lot of rough edges, but since 4 is getting almost no maintenance it's painful to stick on that as well
[18:32] <aftereyo> BluesKaj: Can you tell me something about Konversation, I only have a 720p screen i the configure konversation screen is there an appl, okay cancel at the bottom of the page?
[18:33] <aftereyo> I cannot scale the setting window down enough
[18:38] <BluesKaj> sorry aftereyo , I'm not sure what you mean, just grab the bottom with your cursor and pull it down ?
[18:42] <aftereyo> You know the configure konversation window?
[18:42] <rigo88> http://forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php?tid=174854 did this. /etc/init/kodi.conf is done. rebooted. still no autostart.
[18:43] <rigo88> was something changed in init scripting with vivid?
[18:43] <aftereyo> I can only increase it in size, it is already at it's  minimum
[18:43] <aftereyo> nvm
[18:43] <aftereyo> I solved
[18:50] <lordievader> rigo88: Yes, Ubuntu switched to systemd.
[18:52] <rigo88> lordievader: thanks. i read after.
[19:32] <rigo88_> i cant :( can maybe someone give me a hint how to start kodi with systemd?
[19:39] <MoonUnit`> can't you launch into kodi from the login screen?
[19:40] <penguin42> rigo88_: If you try something like systemctl list-unit-files |grep kodi  is it listed?
[19:41] <rigo88_> i already deleted my tries. so no. its empty
[19:41] <penguin42> oh, that's probably bad then
[19:44] <rigo88_> i put in /etc/systemd/system/kodi.service under [Service] the ExecStart=/usr/bin/kodi i get the weird em like kodi needs opengl dunno...
[19:45] <rigo88_> Install an appropriate graphics driver.
[19:45] <rigo88_> but if i start kodi by typing /usr/bin/kodi on htpc it starts up.. so i dont have to install anything else to make it run.
[19:47] <penguin42> rigo88_: Does kodi need to be started within an X session?
[19:48] <MoonUnit`> yes
[19:48] <rigo88_> penguin42: i guess. earlier in /etc/init/kodi it stand: " exec su -c "xinit /usr/bin/kodi --standalone -- /usr/bin/X -bs -nolisten tcp :0" $USER"
[19:48] <rigo88_> so probably yes.
[19:50] <penguin42> oh so it's starting X as well, that could be more entertaining then, I guess you need all the rules to make sure it gets loaded late enough etc
[19:50] <MoonUnit`> noticed there is a systemd service for kodi in arch aur
[19:50] <MoonUnit`> https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/kodi-standalone-service/
[19:53] <rigo88_> and how to? i mean i installed onyl a minimal vivid server system.
[19:54] <rigo88_> (the "WHY the hell u need it at all?" is a great question. i only want to learn something new..)
[19:55] <rigo88_> now it sais:    Active: inactive (dead)
[19:57] <MoonUnit`> did you enable it? sudo systemctl enable kodi.service
[20:00] <rigo88_> trying. rebooting.
[20:02] <rigo88_> i think i'm not fully understand how the systemd works.
[20:05] <MoonUnit`> learning experiance for me too, hoped copying kodi.service (from the arch aur .tar.gz) to /etc/systemd/system and enabling it would work.
[20:06] <aftereyo> when i do
[20:06] <aftereyo> sudo service sddm restart  will tha tfix any desktop glitches?
[20:07] <MoonUnit`> i would expect so
[20:07] <aftereyo> okay brb
[20:09] <aftereyo> yep that worked
[20:09] <aftereyo> is that essentially logging out?
[20:13] <MoonUnit`> no idea
[20:14] <aftereyo> well it behaves like that for me
[20:14] <rigo88_> if i put the kodi.service from arch site to /etc/systemd/system/ the screen flickers for a second and the login screen appears again.
[20:16] <MoonUnit`> hmm


[00:52] <DarkTrick> hello
[00:52] <DarkTrick> The upgrade to ubuntu 19.04 changed the height of my whisker menu button. Is there a way to adjust this?
[01:03] <DarkTrick> And: is there a specific place to report minor introduced bugs (that weren't there in 18.10, but were introduced in 19.04)?
[04:27] <ntnsndr[m]> Any chance that 19.10 will make it so xubuntu will start up properly while my VGA monitor is plugged in? I just get a blank screen.
[04:40] <guiverc2> ntnsndr[m], I don't know, but i suspect your issue is related to a hardware quirk and thus machine specific.  The number of combinations of hardware we have is astronical, but being open-source we can peek-inside & adjust things to make it work perfectly for our own use cases
[17:08] <Mark88> after upgrading to 16.04 (trying to get to 18.04) my desktop boots into xfce however when I click on file manager it returnes me with my old background and the whole desktop acts like unity or kind of a xfce-unity cross. anyone know how to fix this?
[17:50] <Spass> Mark88, just a suggestion - maybe it's better to upgrade to 18.04 first and then try to solve all problems? did you use Unity before? maybe some Unity applications are in the session, you can try to delete unity related packages if you have installed any
[18:16] <Mark88> no I was using xfce and it installed unity when I upgraded, now it will not let me upgrade to 18.04, it tells me it's there asks me if I want to, however it does nothing when I try.  I'm not savy enough to upgrade from the command line.
[18:26] <Spass> well, you can use GUI Synaptic Package Manager ("sudo apt-get install synaptic" if you don't have it) and search for "unity" packages, try to remove them
[18:29] <Spass> and about the CLI upgrade, you can try "sudo apt update", "sudo apt full-upgrade" and then "sudo do-release-upgrade" and see if there are any errors displayed
[18:32] <Mark88> ok I'll try that...I think an upgrade might fix this...maybe lol
[18:35] <Spass> it also might make it even worse :) good luck
[19:39] <thran> Good evening. I'm sorry to report a problem that I have using Xubuntu on my laptop. Almost every time that I play YouTube videos, and very occasionally just while casually browsing the internet the system will hang. It has unfortunately become a feature of my experience on this laptop. I'm using 19.04 and the laptop is a ThinkPad T450.
[19:41] <thran> Also, when my laptop sleeps the resumes I'm not presented with the display manager to login. I get around it by pressing Ctrl + Alt + F1 then Alt + F7. It's a workaround, but I think there's an issue here too. I'm not sure whether they are related.
[19:42] <thran> Fortunately, I have another T450 in my house running Xub 18.04. It manifests neither of these issues.
[19:42] <thran> I'd welcome any help or suggestions. Thanks in advance.
[19:59] <Spass> hello thran, it also could be a hardware issue, like RAM or disk, and about that resume from sleep, my guess is that the "light-locker" is the culprit here
[19:59] <Spass> do you have lock screen enabled in the "xfce4-power-manager-settings"?
[20:00] <Spass> my solution on my laptop was replacing light-locker with gnome-screensaver, but some people prefer xscreensaver instead
[20:04] <thran> Spass, my power manager settings screen has Lock Screen enabled for when the laptop lid is both plugged in and on battery
[20:06] <Spass> yeah, so if you want to keep that function (screen locking) you should probably do the same as I did, remove light-locker and install something else
[20:06] <Spass> or wait for 19.10 with xfce4-screensaver by default, instead of light-locker
[20:07] <thran> I'd be only too happy to install xscreensaver and get back the charming old screensavers! I'll try that while I wait for 19.10, thanks.
[20:08] <thran> Is there any way I could investigate the hanging issue, such as some logs I could check?
[20:11] <Spass> you can check your /var/crash folder to see which apps caused some problems lately, and probably look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /var/log/syslog and ~/.xsession-errors files
[20:12] <Spass> ThinkPads should also have some built-in diagnostic tools in the BIOS, to check the memory for example
[20:35] <thran> Spass, I'll try those and see what they tell me.


[02:56] <mup> Bug #1643403 opened: [2.1.1] regiond requests to <IP_ADDRESS>:5240 going via external proxy and failing <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1643403>
[13:04] <mup> Bug #1643552 opened: API renderings do not contain fields necessary to construct self-referential URI <api> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1643552>
[15:40] <mup> Bug #1643595 opened: [3.0] Drop escape.shell from preseed.py <MAAS:Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1643595>
[16:25] <wililupy> if I want to deny bootp on a specific subnet in MAAS 2.1 I can use a DHCP snippet "deny bootp;"
[16:26] <kiko> wililupy, I do think so
[16:26] <wililupy> kiko, excellent. I"ll give it a try and report back.
[16:27] <kiko> wililupy, do let us know if it doesn't work and what the resulting dhcpd.conf look like?
[16:27] <wililupy> kiko: ack.
[17:43] <mup> Bug #1643640 opened: same boot image listed multiple times <MAAS:New> <MAAS 2.1:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1643640>
[17:49] <mup> Bug #1643651 opened: MAAS UI takes a long time to load a node page <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1643651>
[21:02] <jwitko> Hey All,  I'm wondering is there any way to disable the ability for server interfaces to be provisioned using "Auto Assign" ?
[21:03] <kiko> jwitko, well, I think you can say "do not assign", right?
[21:03] <jwitko> kiko, sorry ?
[21:03] <kiko> jwitko, for a given interface?
[21:04] <jwitko> Well, in general really.  Trying to disable it as a feature.
[21:04] <jwitko> I have built some automation around MaaS and it is not the source of truth for IP addresses.  I don't use MaaS for VMs just bare metal, so it sometimes will try to assign an IP thats in use outside of MaaS
[21:05] <jwitko> Can a static reservation over-ride a subnet IP reservation?
[21:05] <jwitko> like if i disable a large block of IPs from being used does that just apply to dhcp and auto-assign or static as well ?
[22:55] <jhova> Trying to use maas 2.x for the first time. When provisioning a server, after reboot of the initial provisioning, get booting local disk ... Warn: No MBR magic. treating disk as raw. Booting... and then nothing.
[22:56] <jhova> Anyone dealt with this issue before?
[23:07] <jhova> Also getting "/run/lvm/lvmetad.socket: connect failed: No such file or directory" in syslog during provisioning (xenial).


[01:17] <fishcooker> im on 16.04
[01:17] <fishcooker> is there any chance to using the lxqt dev ?
[03:42] <n-iCe> hi
[08:05] <qswz> my webcam captures are getting saved in my homedir ~/photo-1.jpg
[08:05] <qswz> I'd like it to go in pictures
[08:06] <qswz> oh it's ok
[08:06] <qswz> I changed it, saved it, now it's does it t the right place
[18:37] <osnar> How to install lubuntu?
[18:37] <krytarik> !install
[18:37] <krytarik> !usb
[18:39] <osnar> After selecting the language, in the next screen, is pressed and does not advance
[18:40] <osnar> I'm installing for a DVD


[01:49] <yvette> I am trying to install Ubunto14 for the SimpliLearn Tutorial using Hadoop.  WHen installing it says that my computer does not have sufficient space - but my hard drive is not full at all!
[02:48] <dobey> troyready: the nexus 4 hardware can do LTE. but you need to flash on specific radio firmware to do it. nexus 5 is better hardware though, but not as well supported as nexus 4, at the moment
[06:05] <Dilawar> hi
[06:06] <Dilawar> i want to install ubuntu touch on windows 8.1 tab can i?
[08:33] <effbiai> is it possible to install ubuntu on the meizu pro 5 android version, or do i have to wait for the pro 5 ubuntu version?
[08:40] <oftc_ftw> hello all! these days, is there any way for an app to run in background? or what is the proper solution to allow audio recording while the screen is turned off?
[09:33] <tinkerer_> Hi all. I just had a quick question. From the point of view of an application, what folders are read/writable on an Ubuntu phone? I'm aware of the application's own personal folder in "~/.local/". Are there any others?
[09:44] <davmor2> effbiai: mostly the android version is locked down quite tight so not sure
[09:45] <davmor2> oftc_ftw: use media-hub although I'm not sure about recording
[09:46] <davmor2> tinkerer_: those are the main folders that the application can write to, you can however you can import export to it using content hub
[09:48] <ogra_> davmor2, did you notice yet that apps vanish from the spread on the pro5 after a few hours ? i usually have a fixed set of apps open, after a few hours when i want to switch back to a particular app that i definitely didnt close i notice it is gone from the spread
[09:49] <ogra_> popey, ^^^ same question to you
[09:49] <davmor2> ogra_: no but I don't leave apps open all day, I assume it could be ooming them but that would be a huge guess
[09:50] <ogra_> davmor2, apps that get OOMed still keep their spread screenshot araound usually
[09:50] <davmor2> ogra_: yeah I say it would be a huge guess
[09:50] <ogra_> they simply restart when you switch to them again
[09:51] <ogra_> (but i cant switch back, since the screenshot is gone)
[09:52] <ogra_> another thing is that qxide seems to freak out after you had a webapp or the browser open for some time on an ad-heavy page ... i end up with a black page that only leaves the ad's around, reloading doesnt change that, i have to restart the app or the browser
[09:52] <popey> not seen that
[09:52] <ogra_> *oxide
[09:52] <popey> is it only a few that disappear?
[09:52] <popey> like, not all of them
[09:53] <tinkerer_> Ogra, I've had the same issue with these full page ads or whatever they are.
[09:53] <ogra_> popey, yeah, i usually have my G+  app and dekko open all the time ... during the day i suddenly notice that one of them is gone
[09:53] <ogra_> these are two i tend to never close
[09:55] <ogra_> it used to be that when an app crashed the spread did half open, i wonder if that "feature" is simply gone so i dont notice app crashes that visible anymore
[09:56] <tinkerer_> davmor2: Is there a way to use content hub ...er, migration with applications you can't control? For example, I've been tinkering with syncthing hoping to automatically back up my ~/Pictures directory.
[10:00] <ogra_> tinkerer_, content hub only hands content to another app that can handle whatever you want to do with the data
[10:19] <brunch875> Yes!!! I got another person to use telegram!
[10:20] <MCMic> brunch875: That’s not a good thing
[10:20] <brunch875> ...is it not?
[10:21] <MCMic> brunch875: I prefer free software and open protocols
[10:22] <davmor2> MCMic: telegram is freer than whatsapp and there is no full open equivalent so it is as good as it gets for now
[10:22] <MCMic> XMPP?
[10:24] <davmor2> MCMic: which is basically glorified IRC and you would never get People to use, Freesoftware users maybe but not general public
[10:24] <MCMic> lol
[10:24] <MCMic> davmor2: Whatsapp and Facebook are both XMPP as far as I recall
[10:25] <brunch875> Heck, I had to disable facebook-purple to chat over pidgin since they closed their XMPP interfaces
[10:25] <brunch875> disable = download
[10:25] <Mikaela> not anyhow AFAIK
[10:25] <Mikaela> *anymore
[10:25] <brunch875> whatsapp is the only thing which seems impossible for me to get running
[10:25] <MCMic> People can use any protocol if the software is there
[10:26] <brunch875> tell that to whatsapp, hunting down whatsapp+ users
[10:26] <MCMic> ubuntu touch still got no xmpp client :-/
[10:26] <ogra_> contribute one ;)
[10:27] <MCMic> (and no ical/idav support, basically forcing users to go to google, pretty ironic for an android alternative)
[10:28] <brunch875> huh? can't you just sync via google calendar? that's what I do
[10:29] <brunch875> and it works flawlessly
[10:29] <MCMic> lol, exactly what I said brunch875, it works with google only
[10:29] <MCMic> Maybe I was not clear, english not being my mothertongue
[10:29] <ogra_> well, the source is open ... feel free to send patches ;)
[10:29] <brunch875> I added one event on evolution calendar and it synced with phone + added alarm there too
[10:30] <ogra_> (though i think specifically caldav/cardav is being worked on atm)
[10:30] <davmor2> MCMic: it's coming just lower down the priority list as more people use google services.
[10:30] <effbiai> davmor2: roger that. do you know if the hardware is exactly the same?
[10:30] <davmor2> effbiai: no idea we can only assume it is
[10:31] <MCMic> ogra_: It’s one thing to send patches to fix small things in a big software which is overall good, but here I feel like everything is going in the wrong direction and I don’t have the resources to change this. So I wait to see if it’s worth it before investing time in a project
[10:31] <effbiai> davmor2: guess i should wait for the ubuntu version to get back in stock then :)
[10:31] <ogra_> not sure what you mean by wrong direction ... if you send patches they wont be refused for sure
[10:31] <ogra_> so it is in your hands to steer the direction too
[10:32] <MCMic> The saddest thing I’ve seen is there is an app on the store which is a web version of pidgin running on some distant server -_-
[10:32] <ogra_> whats wrong with that ? seems it helps someones purpose, else he wouldnt have uploaded it
[10:33] <MCMic> ogra_: Maybe, not sure. If project leaders have a vision of what the OS should be/do incompatible with what I want it’s helpless.
[10:33] <ogra_> (and after all a webapp is still a lot safer than the browser)
[10:34] <ogra_> well, the vision is stated pretty clear since the beginning ... one OS that runs on all platforms, thats the main objective
[10:34] <MCMic> ogra_: Everything is wrong with that. Packaging webapp makes little sense to me, using webapp for privacy sensitive things like IM is dangerous, being forced to use this webserver and not my own is a problem, and pidgin is a native ubuntu app, why can’t it run on my phone directly?
[10:35] <ogra_> OTOH there are vendors that sell products with the OS ... and these ask for features that canonical implements with higher prio than some random "nice thing" that we would all want ...
[10:35] <MCMic> ogra_: I’m mainly using ubuntu touch because it’s the only linux based thing easy to buy on a phone, and seemed a bit freeer than android.
[10:35] <ogra_> --- but that doesnt mean that this feature wouldnt be allowerd in if you sent the code for example ,... it only means that reasources are put where the money comes in
[10:35] <brunch875> There's a limit to how much work canonical can do in a period of time
[10:35] <ogra_> exactly
[10:35] <brunch875> I'm pretty impressed of the progress
[10:36] <MCMic> I know this, my problem is where the priority is put
[10:36] <MCMic> Like support google first and standard after
[10:36] <MCMic> And Telegram first and XMPP later
[10:36] <ogra_> MCMic, a webapp runs in its own sandbox, it can not access any system resources or files
[10:36] <brunch875> I think it's a great idea, knowing how google is so tied to android and the userbase is guaranteed
[10:37] <MCMic> ogra_: I prefer my IM app accessing things that a foreign server accessing my IM password and conversations
[10:37] <brunch875> any android device has hangouts installed by default
[10:37] <ogra_> while a browser has a cookie DB, has the browsing history and whatnot
[10:37] <MCMic> brunch875: yay, let’s do the same errors as everyone else
[10:38] <ogra_> so indeed it uis safer to have a webapp that also enforces https use than using the remote page in in a browser ...
[10:38] <MCMic> ogra_: but with the browser I chose which website I visit
[10:38] <MCMic> ogra_: So I can run the webapp on a server I trust
[10:38] <ogra_> so if you are a user that uses that pidgin remote service often ...
[10:38] <MCMic> And not the one the packager trust
[10:38] <ogra_> would you pick the browser or a webapp
[10:40] <MCMic> I don’t want to use a webapp for IM on my phone, unless it’s running on my own server, and event then it makes little sense compared to a native app
[10:40] <ogra_> but somebody does
[10:40] <ogra_> and he felt safer with a webapp ... or simply likes to have a separate icon for it
[10:40] <ogra_> so why shouldnt he upload it to the store
[10:40] <MCMic> but packaging this crap is encouraging people to be reckless with their data
[10:41] <MCMic> And people could install this just thinking it’s pidgin, that’s what I thought at first
[10:41] <ogra_> well, not telling you it s a webapp is indeed not nice of that person ... you can give him/her feedback via a review in the store ;)
[10:42] <MCMic> I did this at some point for a few apps but there are so many package with this error
[10:42] <ogra_> (and others will see your bad ranking and comments when installing it)
[10:42] <brunch875> hmmm truly there should be a way to flag webapps as such
[10:42]  * ogra_ doesnt think it is an error
[10:42] <MCMic> most packages are webapps or native UI for a web service and do not say it
[10:43] <ogra_> and thats not the case on android or IOS ?
[10:43] <MCMic> I installed a lot of translator app thinking they would work, none of them do, they need internet access and do not say it.
[10:43] <ogra_> the cloud rules all mobile OSes nowadays ... i doubt you can easily get away without it for 90% of the mobile apps out there
[10:44] <MCMic> ogra_: not on fdroid that I was using with cyanogen before changing phone
[10:44] <MCMic> ogra_: the point of uTouch is to do better than android
[10:44] <ogra_> where is that written ?
[10:44] <MCMic> -_-
[10:44] <brunch875> I thought the point of utouch was convergence
[10:44] <MCMic> What’s the point if it has all the same problems?
[10:45] <ogra_> (i think we definitely do better than android everywhere already and we all want to be better ... but there is no such objective written down anywehere)
[10:45] <ogra_> it doesnt
[10:45] <MCMic> brunch875: I heard I would not get convergence because e4.5 is too old, so that’s not the point for me
[10:45] <brunch875> e4.5 has been labelled as prototype since its release
[10:46] <MCMic> Well until now, I can do far less things and I feel far less free with ubuntu touch than with cyanogenmod&fdroid
[10:46] <ogra_> ubuntus design is already so much different that it explicitly cant have the same security probs that android has
[10:46] <MCMic> brunch875: It’s the only ubuntu touch device I could find which was small and not too expensive
[10:47] <ogra_> no app is able to read your addfressbook without you knowing ... or your browser histroy ... or your GPS data for the last hours or whatnot
[10:47] <MCMic> ogra_: this is completely useless if it keeps sending data to servers anywhere for anything
[10:47] <ogra_> what data ?
[10:47] <MCMic> ogra_: things I want to translate
[10:47] <ogra_> it only has access to its own data
[10:48] <MCMic> ogra_: places I visit as GPS does not work online
[10:48] <ogra_> so there is no way to relate your search to ... say ... a user account
[10:48] <MCMic> ogra_: my messages if I use pidgin webapp
[10:49] <ogra_> and if you use pidgin native your messages do go through a server ?
[10:49] <MCMic> ogra_: through the server I chose
[10:49] <MCMic> ogra_: which I can run if I want too
[10:49] <MCMic> if you don’t see the difference, you got a problem
[10:49] <davmor2> MCMic: can you name a single phone platform that meets your very specific needs?
[10:49] <ogra_> so dont chose that webapp then ... write a native pidgin client
[10:49] <ogra_> nobody will stop you doing that
[10:50] <MCMic> It’s like «I don’t want other people to come in my house» -> «But your mom is coming into you house, it’s the same thing!»
[10:50] <ogra_> and nobody will reject patches if you want to improve the platform itself
[10:50] <MCMic> ogra_: I won’t write all apps I need, that would take forever
[10:51] <ogra_> so find someone else
[10:51] <brunch875> does android have a pidgin app?
[10:51] <MCMic> davmor2: all of them no, but as I said I was better of with cyanogen&fdroid. At least I had contact sync, GPS, email client and ttrss client working.
[10:51] <MCMic> brunch875: android has «Conversation» which is a good XMPP client. But there are many other xmpp clients on android
[10:52]  * ogra_ has GPS, an email client and syncs his contact with the former android contact DB he was using
[10:52] <brunch875> But aren't those third parties? :S I think you're asking pears to the apple tree.
[10:53] <MCMic> ogra_: I did not find any GPS in ubuntu touch working offline. When I need a GPS, I’m usually lost far from cities, I don’t have internet
[10:53] <ogra_> the point is that complaining wont get you anywhere if a feature isnt implemented
[10:54] <MCMic> ogra_: It’s just reading «yay I converted someone to Telegram» which made me react
[10:54] <ogra_> i think there is an experimental branch of uNav that has offline apping
[10:54] <MCMic> brunch875: Yes, but the OS could help this to happen
[10:54] <brunch875> true, but the OS is very busy
[10:54] <MCMic> brunch875: it seems to me ubuntu touch really push people to use webapps
[10:54] <ogra_> yes, converting people from whatsapp to telegram is a good thing, dont you think ?
[10:55] <davmor2> MCMic: unav is doing offline gps now but that is a new feature that I think is still to land, you have to remember that the apps are growing up around the platform as both grow
[10:55] <MCMic> ogra_: Not that much, it’s pretty much the same thing
[10:55] <ogra_> in your view
[10:55] <ogra_> not in mine or brunch875's
[10:55] <MCMic> ogra_: What’s the difference?
[10:55] <brunch875> the major difference is you can't develop a whatsapp client
[10:55] <brunch875> because whatsapp doesn't want that
[10:56] <ogra_> MCMic, that telegram is opensource friendly for example ...
[10:56] <ogra_> unlike whatsapp they open their API to develoßpers
[10:56] <ogra_> and dont start sueing people that write a free client ... or lock down userse that use an open alternative
[10:56] <MCMic> ogra_: really, where are the sources of the server?
[10:57] <ogra_> did i say server anywhere above ?
[10:57] <ogra_> i said they are friendly to OSS devs and that deserves support
[10:58] <MCMic> You said opensource friendly
[10:58] <ogra_> yes
[10:58] <MCMic> lol
[10:58] <brunch875> that's opensource friendly, isn't it?
[10:58] <MCMic> That deserves support
[10:59] <MCMic> Yeah guys you are not doing opensource but you are our friends so that’s ok
[10:59] <ogra_> nonsense
[10:59] <MCMic> Ok so if tomorrow whatsapp have an API they suddenly are really good guys?
[11:00] <brunch875> well, they'd be better than now
[11:00] <brunch875> but it sounds unlikely since they've always hunted down third parties like whatsapp+
[11:00] <MCMic> ogra_: and telegram could close the API at any moment by the way
[11:00] <ogra_> if they start to react to bug reports and give diownstream devs support ? yes, sure, they wouldnt be the "good guys" but 2better guys" and the world would be a better place ;)
[11:01] <MCMic> brunch875: It’s business decision, just like telegram chose to open the API is business, whatsapp could change business strategy tomorrow
[11:01] <ogra_> and you think that anywheer in the SW world there are still things that arent based on business decisions ?
[11:02] <ogra_> (apart from the 23877245 calculator apps that people wrote in their spare time at home)
[11:02] <MCMic> Anyway, I need to go, but I find it very sad free software enthusiast waste their time advertizing for non-free closed services.
[11:02] <ogra_> MCMic, start a free servisce or give us an app that uses one and we'kll happily praise it
[11:03] <brunch875> You misunderstood me :s
[11:03] <ogra_> MCMic, telegram is currently the best we have ... come up with something better and we'll pick yours ;)
[11:03] <MCMic> ogra_: So you really don’t care about free software, you just want good software
[11:04] <brunch875> I said telegram in the context of "register by phone number" app like whatsapp, wechat, line, viber...
[11:04] <ogra_> then i would probably work for another company
[11:09] <davmor2> MCMic: Please Stop. We understand your point of view, but we also live in a world with 7billion other people who don't share it, we have to provide a platform that caters to all needs, which is hard enough to start with, so we start with as many of the common needs as we can, the 2 most requested things are whatsapp and google sync, we have google sync for most things and next on our agenda is own cloud for the
[11:09] <davmor2> same things which is the next most requested thing for sync.  We can't provide it all at once or nobody would ever have a device. it is a growing platform.
[11:12] <MCMic> davmor2: It’s just on PC there are systems for guys like me but on phones there is nothing so we end up on ubuntu touch and are disappointed. I’d be happy if there was smaller distributions more focused on freedom and open protocols bud sadly there’s not much.
[11:13] <MCMic> For me the problem is also it seems not possible to write a ubuntu app which add account types in the systems like the google accounts appears
[11:14] <ogra_> you can send patches as i said before
[11:15] <ogra_> the code is our there ...
[11:15] <ogra_> the point is that there is only a handful of phone developers ... they can only do so much ...
[11:15] <ogra_> fi you want to move the project in another direction, send code that does
[11:16] <ogra_> (so we are back at the start :) )
[11:17] <MCMic> ogra_: Yeah, but the OS could have a generic account system and a google account app. This way people could have implemented owncould sync in the same way and uninstall google stuff easily
[11:18] <ogra_> not under the security constraints we have ...
[11:18] <MCMic> Instead, there is google sync inside the system it seems, and no easy way other than patching the core system to add new type of accounts
[11:18] <ogra_> snappy will fix that though
[11:18]  * ogra_ hasnt said that all day ... was about time :)
[11:18] <brunch875> it's all coming, MCMic. Give it time!
[11:19] <MCMic> we’ll see…
[11:19] <MCMic> Gotta go, bye
[11:19] <brunch875> bye bye!
[11:19] <davmor2> MCMic: actually it is a generic backend that just has google accounts currently and work is underway to add own cloud as we say it is still a young platform that is a work in progress every release adds more features
[11:19]  * ogra_ hears the echo of davmor2's words in the empty room
[11:20]  * brunch875 integrates the words as welcome information
[11:32] <nhaines> So my Nexus 7 is deleting my libertine container after every reboot and I want it to stop!
[11:33] <nhaines> I'm going to install ubuntu-pd r207 right now, and then actually I'm going to go to sleep, but if there are any files or logs or anything I can look at so I can file a bug when I wake up, I'll be happy!
[11:40] <brunch875> I remember back in the day when people sent you a message on gtalk and were offline, you'd get an email instead
[11:41] <brunch875> that would cover notifications for me using the python app hangups :|
[11:41] <brunch875> If someone knows how to hack around this, please let me know
[11:45] <ogra_> you mean yu want an app excluded from suspending when in background ?
[11:45] <Acou_Bass> utouch tweak tool can do that
[11:45] <ogra_> there is a gconf key for that you can set ... the prob is that it will prevent the whole device from sleeping
[11:45] <Acou_Bass> but doesnt really help the notifications for that :P
[11:46] <ogra_> Acou_Bass, works fine with my kiwi-irc client webapp from the store (that is how i use it on the tablet)
[11:46] <Acou_Bass> what, it gives you notifications?
[11:46] <ogra_> (i would never do that on the phone though ... )
[11:47] <ogra_> it has builtin notifications .. so even in BG it makes a "plopp2 sound if you get a ping, yes
[11:47] <Acou_Bass> ahh cool, but you have to flick the switch to stop it suspending in background
[11:47] <ogra_> indeed it isnt hooked up to the notification system
[11:47] <Acou_Bass> so it makes a sound but not a bubble?
[11:47] <ogra_> well, i use gconftool fro the terminal, but yes
[11:47] <ogra_> right
[11:48] <Acou_Bass> still decent
[11:48] <ogra_> yeah, fine for the tablet at least
[11:48] <Acou_Bass> it bothers me slightly that webapps are more capable of doing notifications than 'real' apps... but i suppose ill have to wait for that to go better :P
[11:48] <ogra_> not really helpful if you have the phone in your pocket :)
[11:48] <ogra_> (you wont really hear it)
[11:48] <Acou_Bass> XD eah
[11:55] <brunch875> (10:51:39) ogra_: gsettings set com.canonical.qtmir lifecycle-exempt-appids [com.ubuntu.music,com.ubuntu.developer.ogra.kiwi-irc]
[11:55] <brunch875> yeaha, very handy
[11:55] <ogra_> brunch875, yeah, thats it
[11:56] <ogra_> but really, i'd consider twice using that on a phone
[11:56] <ogra_> definitely eats your battery
[11:56] <brunch875> yeah, it's why I'm not really using it
[11:56] <nhaines> ogra_: you know what really eats my tablet's battery?
[11:56] <ogra_> using it ?
[11:56] <nhaines> Keeping the screen on while I redownload all the packages to build a libertine container!
[11:57] <ogra_> well, i create my libertine containers via ssh ... :P
[11:57] <nhaines> ogra_: so do I, on the phone in-terminal.  :P
[11:57] <nhaines> Although I should probably look into just using SSH.
[11:58] <nhaines> But I'd rather look into why the tablet keeps deleting the container.
[11:58] <ogra_> yeah, mine doesnt get deleted
[11:58] <nhaines> Every boot, it's like nothing ever happened.
[11:59] <ogra_> and the container is really gone from the filesystem ? or just from the json config ?
[11:59]  * ogra_ bets the config file just gets reset
[12:00] <nhaines> Everything.  The ContainerConfig.js, the actual chroot... all of it.
[12:00] <nhaines> Which made me angry because I can just back up the config file and restore it at least.  ;)
[12:01] <ogra_> all of it sounds nasty
[12:01] <nhaines> It's sub-optimal for sure.
[12:05] <nhaines> Okay, time for that "sleep" I talked about!
[12:13] <ChrisTownsend> nhaines: Ah, I think I just noticed you are having issues with Libertine containers?
[12:16] <ChrisTownsend> nhaines: And, I just noticed you are going to sleep too.  Please ping me when you and I are around so I can understand what issues you are hitting.
[13:10] <mardy> dobey: hi! Just to catch up, what's the situation like? Are you working on your own branch, or are you expecting me to make some changes on mines?
[13:53] <dobey> mardy: i have a branch based off your signon-plugin-part-2 branch, but it still needs some work i think, and i was thinking it should be split up into smaller changes too, so i started working on another based off the clear-token branch, but i'm still pretty confused about how everything is supposed to work, and kind of tired of being confused all the time
[13:55] <mardy> dobey: ok, please let me know if I can help somehow
[13:56] <mardy> dobey: I'll try to get the changes to other components (signond, ussoa) landed meanwhile, so that testing will be easier
[13:56] <dobey> mardy: you don't happen to be in montreal this week do you?
[13:58] <mardy> dobey: not AFAIK :-D
[13:58] <dobey> me either
[15:02] <BlackJohnny> hi guys! I am developing a clementine remote for ubuntu phone and I have a weird behavior about the tcp connection while the phone is locked.
[15:03] <BlackJohnny> The communication stops while the phone is locked and resumes after the phone gets unlocked. The issue is that after getting unlocked I get all the communication that was not received while the phone was locked
[15:04] <BlackJohnny> and that is very strange
[15:04] <BlackJohnny> I expected a disconnect ...
[15:10] <dobey> BlackJohnny: apps are paused while not in foreground, or while screen is locked if in foreground
[15:10] <dobey> BlackJohnny: cf "application lifecycle"
[15:12] <BlackJohnny> dobey, I understand that but shouldn't the server give time out after a while? Somehow i get the filing that the buffer is on the ubuntu-touch side and not the server side
[15:12] <BlackJohnny> feeling
[15:12] <BlackJohnny> :)
[15:19] <dobey> BlackJohnny: i don't know enough details about what you are doing exactly to answer that
[15:20] <dobey> anyway, must go eat
[15:34] <ogra_> oSoMoN, yo ... i'm trying to build a webapp-container snap template ... everytime i try to run the app i get:
[15:34] <ogra_> ogra@styx:~/Devel/packages/snaps/webapp-template$ gitter-im
[15:34] <ogra_> "file:///build/webbrowser-app-DlRf4x/webbrowser-app-0.23+16.04.20160526/src/app/webcontainer/webapp-container.qml:-1 File not found\n"
[15:35] <ogra_> oSoMoN, do you know any way to find make that more verbose so i can find out what file it actually looks for ?
[15:35] <ogra_> -find
[15:37] <oSoMoN> ogra_, maybe setting QML_IMPORT_TRACE to 1 ?
[15:37] <ogra_> thanks !
[15:37] <ogra_> will tyr
[15:37] <ogra_> try
[15:41] <ogra_> hmpf
[15:42] <ogra_> QQmlImportDatabase::addImportPath: "/build/webbrowser-app-DlRf4x/webbrowser-app-0.23+16.04.20160526/obj-x86_64-linux-gnu/src
[15:42] <ogra_> so where does that import path come from
[15:45] <oSoMoN> ogra_, probably from https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/webbrowser-app/trunk/view/head:/src/app/config.h.in#L43
[15:46] <ogra_> well, but why is it in the binary ... snapcraft just pulls the deb from the archive ... i set import paths in a wrapper script
[15:48] <ogra_> i would assume the build sets it correctly at build time
[16:04] <NwS> Heya guys, anyone got the Meizu Pro 5?
[16:05] <popey> NwS: i do
[16:05] <brunch875> popey's collecting them all
[16:05] <NwS> popey, any feedback? :P
[16:06] <popey> its nice :)
[16:06] <NwS> I guess you also got the tablet? :P
[16:08] <NwS> If you did which one would you recommend?
[16:08]  * ogra_ alwys has feedback if he taps an icon ...
[16:08] <ogra_> *buzzing* feedback :)
[16:09] <ogra_> NwS, what do you mean by "which one" ?
[16:09] <NwS> Tablet or the smartphone
[16:09] <ogra_> ah
[16:09] <ogra_> heh
[16:09] <popey> NwS: i do also have the tablet
[16:09] <NwS> I want to finally get my first ubuntu device :P
[16:10] <NwS> Thought so xD
[16:10] <ogra_> if you want to make phone calls the tablet isnt really helpful :)
[16:10] <NwS> meh phone calls who cares :P
[16:10] <ogra_> if you want to occasionally use the thing as laptop replacement, the tablet is for you
[16:10] <ogra_> and if you dont care about calls
[16:11] <NwS> Because some reviewers were not that kind with the tablet
[16:11] <ogra_> the phone is great and all ... but convergence means you need a monitor
[16:11] <NwS> If the Pro 5 is way better I would get that one
[16:11] <ogra_> i guess tech-data wise it is a lot better
[16:12] <ogra_> in the end it really depends on your usecase
[16:12] <NwS> I just want to start playing with the OS
[16:12]  * ogra_ gets along fine with using the tablet as laptop replacement ... but i know the limitations and adjust my expectations accordingly
[16:13] <NwS> But I don't like laggy stuff..
[16:13] <ogra_> the pro5 is definitely the best device we have today ... HW wise
[16:13] <ogra_> but the tablet is definitely better for general development
[16:13] <NwS> Hmm okie tyvm for the info xD
[16:13] <NwS> Andddddd fml
[16:13] <NwS> Pro 5 is sold out? -.-"
[16:14] <svij> that makes the decision easier to which device you want to buy ;)
[16:14] <popey> Indeed
[16:14] <popey> I hear more devices are coming
[16:23] <ogra_> popey, what ? you mean we wont be an exclusive club anymore ?!?
[16:25] <popey> ogra_: we will, the more devices are not pro 5's
[16:25] <ogra_> ah
[16:39] <dobey> there's always more devices
[17:27] <mhall119> oSoMoN: webbrowser-app hides tab/location bar when I scroll on desktop, is that an intentional change?
[17:31] <oSoMoN> mhall119, does your desktop have a touch screen?
[17:32] <mhall119> nope
[17:32] <mhall119> why would that matter?
[17:33] <mhall119> it only does it for some pages too
[17:34] <mhall119> it does it on github.com but not launchpad.net
[17:34] <mhall119> it does it on reddit and twitter, but not facebook or G+
[17:44] <oSoMoN> mhall119, could it be https://bugs.launchpad.net/oxide/+bug/1560432 ?
[17:45] <mhall119> ah,could be, I'm 2-finger scrolling but it's probably the same event
[17:46] <mhall119> I have 0.23+16.04.20160526-0ubuntu1 installed
[18:13] <aua> I want to file a bug against OpenSSL.  None of the "projects" presented in the Ubuntu Touch Core Apps bug tracker seem a good fit.  Any recommendations?
[18:15] <pmcgowan> aua, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssl
[18:17] <aua> pmc: I mean ubuntu touch's current OpenSSL 1.0.1f+.  I don't have a Ubuntu desktop, but are they the same version?
[18:18] <pmcgowan> aua, yes same version
[18:18] <dobey> aua: there is no ubuntu touch. there is only ubuntu. the package archive is the package archive, so file bugs against the packages
[18:19] <aua> Thank you, both!  Will use the above mentioned link.
[18:21] <dobey> core apps is some of the apps on the phone/tablet images, many of which aren't packaged in the ubuntu archive, but are click packages in the store
[18:21] <dobey> the bug filing page linked in the topic of this channel has a list of where things should be filed for most of the higher level bits
[18:47] <dobey> 10%/hr battery loss :(
[19:00] <teve> I've had 1%/2mins battery loss twice recently with rc-propoced. but no idea what causes that drainage.
[19:01] <dobey> what device?
[19:01] <teve> e5
[19:02] <dobey> probably the same unity8 issue
[19:22] <JanC> hm, I've had my e4.5 battery drained very fast a couple of times in the past (not recently)
[19:23] <JanC> not sure if it was a coincidence, but it always started when the battery was < 50% already
[19:24] <JanC> usually somewhere in the 45-50% range
[19:59] <oftc_ftw> davmor2: well, the description reads "A simple and lightweight media playback service." so I'm not so sure about recording either.
[20:44] <aua> Policy question: Ubuntu Touch is based on 15.04, which was EOS 2016-02-04 <URL:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(operating_system)#Releases>.  How are security bugs handled in 15.04 today?  An example:  15.04 has OpenSSL 1.0.1f+, 15.10 has OpenSSL 1.0.2d+.  That is Is UT team working on their own or is their still support by Ubuntu security folks?
[20:44] <aua> Sent too fast.
[20:45] <jdstrand> we are supporting it
[20:45] <dobey> that
[20:45] <jdstrand> https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/stable-phone-overlay/+packages?field.name_filter=openssl&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=
[20:46] <dobey> and you can't really simply rely on the upstream version number for what security fixes are in openssl (or other packages)
[20:46] <jdstrand> you'll notice it got an update on May 12th (the overlay)
[20:46] <dobey> since fixes tend to be backported rather than shipping new versions
[20:46] <jdstrand> yes. especially with openssl
[20:48] <jdstrand> also see 'How will support for Ubuntu Touch be provided?' in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/FAQ#Official_Support
[20:48] <aua> Yes, I know. about the version number.  I'm simply concerned UT OpenSSL still ships with EXPORT grade ciphers enabled.  That makes it a target for future attacks.  Will open a bug soon, but I wonder if there will be any response, because 1.0.1f+ is not officially supported anymore.  The situation is a bit opaque.  I'll go on with a bug report anyway.  But ...
[20:48] <aua> $openssl ciphers EXP -v
[20:49] <aua> will give you output on UT terminal.
[20:49] <aua> OTA11
[20:50] <aua> Thanks, will read that.
[20:52] <jdstrand> aua: note that the wiki states the Touch images are moving to 16.04 base midyear. That is probably a couple/few months later than that, but people are working on it
[20:52] <jdstrand> aua: in other words, in a few months touch images wil have 16.04's openssl
[20:52] <dobey> jdstrand: i don't think all devices will get moved to 16.04 though
[20:53] <jdstrand> uh
[20:53] <jdstrand> that is not what we agreed to
[20:53] <jdstrand> we can't support arbitrary numbers of overlays. we can barely support the one :)
[20:53]  * jdstrand notes he confirmed this with pmcgowan not too long ago
[20:53] <aua> Is that a current statement or from like six months ago?  I've last heard there's still a lot to do before the switch.
[20:54] <jdstrand> aua: I think august would be the earliest and probably optimistic
[20:54] <aua> Oh, OK.  Thanks!
[20:54] <dobey> jdstrand: i guess some more clarification needs to be made then. :-/
[20:56] <jdstrand> will get clarification
[20:59] <dobey> i hope whomever is working on getting xenial booting, gets it working soon
[21:31]  * popey looks at popeym10
[21:38] <coucouf> hi, I have a bug with Nexus5 flashed from UBPorts, where « open with app » doesn’t works from file manager
[21:39] <coucouf> is it somehow known, where should I look for more info ?
[21:39] <dobey> it's probably the same issue that seems to prevent sharing photos and such
[21:40] <coucouf> (I know it’s not an official port but I’m surprised something like that doesn’t work, which hardly looks device specific at first sight)
[21:40] <dobey> something very odd with apparmor
[21:40] <dobey> seems to affects nexus5 and one plus one
[21:40] <coucouf> hmm, ok thanks
[21:41] <dobey> not sure if others are affected, but i presume officially supported phones aren't
[21:41] <dobey> no idea why it only is an issue on these devices, either :-/
[21:41] <coucouf> any place to look for logs ?
[21:41] <dobey> ~/.cache/upstart/
[21:41] <dobey> should be a log for the filemanager app in there
[21:42] <dobey> and maybe something in /var/log/syslog
[21:48] <coucouf> yes I can see the logs in .cache
[21:49] <coucouf> one of the last is "ubuntumirclient: Got invalid serialized mime data. Ignoring it."
[21:50] <dobey> yeah, that's harmless and not the issue
[21:58] <coucouf> dbus.log says "Failed to charge items, aborting"
[22:00] <dobey> what kind of file are you trying to open anyway?
[22:01] <dobey> and what exactly doesn't work?
[22:01] <coucouf> that was a .flac music
[22:01] <coucouf> getting the same with .jpg
[22:02] <coucouf> most unnoying is for images / documents because there’s no way to browse them from the gallery / documents app
[22:06] <coucouf> other unrelated question, is there really no human way to import a vcs contacts list ?
[22:07] <coucouf> *vcf
[22:08] <dobey> syncevolution can import it. i don't know if there's UI for it or not
[22:09] <coucouf> I’ve seen some doc on it, it needs to be apt-get which doesn’t just-work
[22:09] <coucouf> hints welcome
[22:10] <dobey> i just did it by making a new address book in evolution on my PC, importing the VCF there, and then taking the contacts.db file and sticking it on the phone in place of the empty one
[22:13] <coucouf> sounds wicked enough to work :)
[22:14] <dobey> worked fine two years ago when i did it. should work fine now :)
[22:16] <coucouf> in fact moving the files from Download for example to Pictures / Documents makes them visible from gallery / documents app
[22:19] <dobey> yes
[22:25] <dobey> anyway, gotta run
[22:25] <dobey> later
[22:32] <coucouf> dobey: import worked :-)
[22:46] <aidentech> Does the software center in Ubuntu Touch include proprietary software?
[22:49] <JanC> aidentech: yes, licenses are indicated
[22:52] <aidentech> Ok, I was just curious.
[22:53] <nhaines> ChrisTownsend: thanks for offering to help!  I have a Nexus 7 I'm happy to reflash or make any changes to.


[00:40] <bkerensa> slangasek: Might you help me troubleshoot something? Since the freeze yesterday and a update I have found my system to be epic unstable
[00:40] <bkerensa> I cannot even do upgrades now
[00:40] <bkerensa> Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise/main tk8.5 amd64 8.5.11-1
[00:40] <bkerensa>   Something wicked happened resolving 'us.archive.ubuntu.com:http' (-5 - No address associated with hostname)
[00:40] <bkerensa> DNS is resolving for most things but for some things it is not
[00:40] <slangasek> ls -l /etc/resolv.conf
[00:41] <bkerensa> ls -l /etc/resolv.conf
[00:41] <blkperl> doesn't ping from psu
[00:41] <bkerensa> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 29 Feb 14 17:54 /etc/resolv.conf -> ../run/resolvconf/resolv.conf
[00:41] <slangasek> and is /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf present?
[00:41] <blkperl> oh wait nvm
[00:41] <bkerensa> blkperl: Yeah but its not just archive servers... My DNS has been timing out since yesterday
[00:41] <bkerensa> and I have tried a variety of DNS servers so I dont think it happens to be the dns servers im using
[00:42] <slangasek> and if it's missing, what does 'status resolvconf' show?
[00:42] <blkperl> maybe precise is buggy
[00:42] <slangasek> all software is buggy
[00:42] <blkperl> lol
[00:42] <bkerensa> slangasek: resolvconf start/running
[00:42]  * blkperl goes back to fighting with a passenger init script
[00:42] <slangasek> bkerensa: ok; cat /etc/resolv.conf?
[00:43] <bkerensa> nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[00:45] <slangasek> bkerensa: Ubuntu desktop install?
[00:45] <slangasek> do you have the bind9 package installed?
[00:46] <bkerensa> slangasek: no
[00:46] <slangasek> using network-manager for networking?
[00:46] <bkerensa> slangasek: yes desktop install
[00:46] <bkerensa> slangasek: Yep... A stock desktop 12.04
[00:46] <bkerensa> :)
[00:46] <slangasek> is there a dnsmasq process running?
[00:46] <bkerensa> ahhh
[00:46] <bkerensa> slangasek: Not locally
[00:46] <bkerensa> :)
[00:46] <bkerensa> at the router level
[00:46] <bkerensa> :D
[00:47] <slangasek> hmm?
[00:47] <bkerensa> my router uses dnsmasq
[00:47] <slangasek> there's *supposed* to be a dnsmasq running
[00:47] <bkerensa> oh
[00:47] <slangasek> NM launches it
[00:47] <bkerensa> ok
[00:47] <slangasek> you've checked the process list and it's not there?
[00:47] <bkerensa> slangasek: Yes dnsmasq is running
[00:47] <bkerensa> :)
[00:47] <slangasek> ok
[00:48] <slangasek> hmm, trying to remember when else I've seen that error before
[00:48] <bkerensa> slangasek: Whatever the root cause is... Its only intermittent like if I go to a site sometimes it loads and sometimes I get a resolve error (regardless of browser)
[00:48] <slangasek> hmm
[00:48] <bkerensa> also when I try to do any name based commands via terminal like updates it fails and if I repeatedly try
[00:49] <bkerensa> it will eventually go through
[00:49] <bkerensa> same with browser.... (lots of refreshing for win)
[00:49] <slangasek> and NM shows your network connection as stable the throughout?
[00:50] <bkerensa> slangasek: Correct.
[00:50] <slangasek> does /var/run/nm-dns-dnsmasq.conf list the nameservers you expect?
[00:51] <bkerensa> slangasek: Yes
[00:52] <slangasek> well, you could try editing /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf to comment out the 'dns=dnsmasq' line
[00:52] <bkerensa> slangasek: ok
[00:52] <slangasek> then restart NM (sudo service network-manager restart)
[00:52] <slangasek> and check that /etc/resolv.conf is not pointing at <IP_ADDRESS> anymore
[00:53] <slangasek> that will rule out it being a dnsmasq problem.  I suspect you have a problem somewhere else that's not actually related to any Ubuntu updates though
[00:53] <slangasek> (and if removing dnsmasq doesn't fix it, I'm pretty certain it's not an Ubuntu bug)
[01:26] <slangasek> bkerensa: any news?
[01:35] <bkerensa> slangasek: No improvement
[01:35] <bkerensa> :( I will continue trying things
[01:35] <bkerensa> I'm going to swap out my router in the rare case it is causing issues
[01:36] <slangasek> yes, the problem is most likely not local to the machine
[02:14] <blkperl> grr i get this annoying my mouse in being held down until i switch windows
[02:14] <blkperl> and im not sure if i have a sticky touchpad or a its unity playing games with me
[02:31] <nibalizer> blkperl: almost certainly your fault :P
[02:31] <blkperl> nibalizer: you are a troll sir


[12:04] <mdke> yeah, it's fun :)
[12:07] <Burglaptop> for certain values of "fun"
[12:08] <robotgeek> LaserJock: the keymap to change buffers doesn't work, you might have to change it to "nnoremap <C-l> :bn<CR>"
[12:09] <Madpilot> in Dapper, has the menu entry for "Add Applications" actually been changed to "Add/Remove Applications"?
[12:09] <Burglaptop> actually Add/Remove ....
[12:09] <mdke> yes
[12:09] <Madpilot> OK, was wondering - we're a bit inconsistent in UDG
[12:10] <mdke> yeah, I've been changing to Add/Remove
[12:10] <mdke> but actually, surely they will change back
[12:10] <mdke> it's idiotic to have .....
[12:10] <Burglaptop> mdke: post something to the -desktop list to that affect
[12:11] <mdke> Burglaptop, we can just ping mvo, it's probably just an accidental merge or something
[12:12] <Burglaptop> it would be nice to have an official policy statement either way, however
[12:12] <mdke> yeah
[12:13] <mdke> Madpilot, things like that will have to be quite thoroughly checked after string freeze, I guess
[12:15] <Madpilot> patch for UDG add-application inbound to the list...
[12:17] <mdke> Madpilot, excellent idea about the note
[12:18] <Madpilot> yeah - it's one thing I see a fair bit on #ubuntu
[12:19] <mdke> doesn't validate tho
[12:19] <Madpilot> exact wording might need changing a bit for clarity, I'm not sure
[12:19] <mdke> i'll sort it
[12:19] <Madpilot> gah - forgot to validate that - sorry :P
[12:20] <Madpilot> there's an extra set of <para> tags around the new note
[12:21] <Madpilot> and no <para> tags inside the <note> tags
[12:21] <mdke> yeah
[12:21] <mdke> committed
[12:21] <Madpilot> thnx
[12:30] <mdke> -> bed
[12:31] <Madpilot> later
[12:32] <LaserJock> cya mdke
[12:36] <robotgeek> LaserJock: i found a nice page on xml + vim, i think you know it too.
[12:37] <robotgeek> http://www.pinkjuice.com/howto/vimxml/setup.xml
[12:40] <robotgeek> manicka: i've added your apt-get section to kdg too, thanks
[12:41] <manicka> k
[12:41] <LaserJock> robotgeek: actually I don't think I've seen it before. Thanks for the tip ;-)
[12:42] <Burglaptop> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Dublin_Love_Ulster_Demonstration <-- instant news. This happened todayu
[12:42] <robotgeek> LaserJock: cool, that a nice page :)
[12:43] <LaserJock> Burglaptop: man, that is fast for a wiki
[01:14] <manicka> hi bustacap :)
[01:25] <bustacap> hey grant, what's happening?
[01:34] <Burglaptop> anybody got any brilliant ideas about what I should cook tonight?
[01:34] <Madpilot> food?
[01:35] <LaserJock> chinese?
[01:35] <robotgeek> noodles, the 2 minute vareity :P
[01:39] <robotgeek> okay, for audio editing, should i go ahead and put in audacity, even though it is a gtk app?
[01:41] <LaserJock> why? aren't there KDE audio editing apps?
[01:41] <robotgeek> apparently not, let me google
[01:42] <LaserJock> kwave?
[01:42] <crimsun> I don't think you should have to distinguish between Gtk and Qt apps
[01:42] <Madpilot> audacity isn't actually a gtk app, it's some odd widget set that's cross-platform (so it looks funny in every OS...)
[01:43] <robotgeek> wxgtk, i think
[01:43] <crimsun> wxwidgets uses Gtk by default
[01:43] <robotgeek> cool, i can just copy from UDG then, lol
[01:43] <crimsun> (much to my chagrin for Breezy...)
[01:43] <LaserJock> well, I just thought Kubuntu would have a KDE audio editor
[01:44] <Madpilot> Kaudacity? :P
[01:45] <robotgeek> Madpilot: even if you write one, we are paste the FF :)
[01:45] <robotgeek> past, even
[01:45] <LaserJock> hmm, that seems weird though that KDE wouldn't have one? are you sure it doesn't?
[01:46] <robotgeek> there are others, but i am not sure what they do/if they are as good as audacity (not that i know how it works)
[01:49] <Madpilot> they're what people are used to...
[01:49] <robotgeek> yeah, i understand :)
[01:50] <Burglaptop> they might not be needed
[01:50] <Burglaptop> what is the wmp reference to?
[01:50] <robotgeek> since we target switchers, it's probably a good thing
[01:50] <robotgeek> totem
[01:50] <Burglaptop> not really needed there
[01:50] <Burglaptop> a media player is a media player
[01:51] <Burglaptop> and rb is *NOT* like itunes
[01:52] <Burglaptop> assuming that the refernce
[01:52] <Burglaptop> better to talk about what the user is trying to do, rather than link the two in the peoples mind
[01:53] <robotgeek> To play movies, Ubuntu comes with <application>Totem Movie Player</ application> which looks and functions similar to Windows Media Player
[01:53] <robotgeek> etc etc, which is okay, i think
[01:53] <Burglaptop> bah, what a horrible sentence, kill the whole thing
[01:53] <Burglaptop> users don't care what plays their movies, they just want to play it
[01:54] <Burglaptop> plus, totem is not even in the menus anymore
[01:54] <robotgeek> really, what is?
[01:54] <robotgeek> i don't use ubuntu, so i dunno
[01:54] <Burglaptop> oh wait, it is
[01:55] <crimsun> I would drop the whole "which looks...Media Player" portion
[01:55] <crimsun> frankly it neither looks like nor functions like WMP
[01:55] <robotgeek> or itunes for amarok
[01:58] <Burglaptop> anyway, why are we talking about what it *is*? users don't care
[01:58] <robotgeek> true
[01:58] <robotgeek> hi, can someone tell me what to use inplace of gstreamer, since kubuntu doesn't use it anymore? http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/ch03s03.html
[01:59] <Burglaptop> The sentence could easily be written "Ubuntu comes with the Frabblenork Movia Player"
[01:59] <Burglaptop> robotgeek: what does it us?
[01:59] <Burglaptop> s/us/use
[01:59] <robotgeek> Burglaptop: excatly :)
[02:00] <Burglaptop> if it uses xine, you need to talk about the w32codecs, which are evil but work
[02:00] <robotgeek> Burglaptop: not for mp3's
[02:00] <Madpilot> Frabblenork - I predict there is already an OSS project with a name at least this silly... :P
[02:01] <Burglaptop> sadly, no
[02:01] <Madpilot> frabblenork.sf.net?
[02:02] <Burglaptop> ok, so I got some pork chops. Any suggestions?
[02:03] <Madpilot> robotgeek: it's even got a K in it, so it could be a KDE projekt
[02:03] <robotgeek> frabblenorK
[02:03] <Madpilot> now all we need is a function to go with the cool app name
[02:03] <Burglaptop> oK now Kiddies, time to enjoyK your desKtop!
[02:06] <robotgeek> Madpilot: frabblenorK did, lol
[02:10] <Burglaptop> what about this idea? Can we create a project that does nothing, but looks like it does?
[02:10] <Burglaptop> without descending into manager speak, that is
[02:10] <robotgeek> Burglaptop: sounds neat, vaporware!
[02:10] <crimsun> aka Duke Nukem Forever?
[02:11] <robotgeek> crimsun: DNF is actually being developed now
[02:11] <robotgeek> you can't really use that reference now :)
[02:11] <crimsun> yeah, I've read as much, but it has been the better part of a decade, so I'm not holding my breath...
[02:12] <Madpilot> Burglaptop: if it's got enough eyecandy and lives on the desktop, someone will probably run it, even if it does squat...
[02:13] <robotgeek> Burglaptop: http://www.bernardbelanger.com/computing/NaDa/
[02:13] <Burglaptop> how about Frabblesnork - The Manager(TM)
[02:13] <Burglaptop> note, we are not mentioning *what* it manages
[02:15] <robotgeek> Burglaptop: note that NaDa is not Free Software :)
[02:15] <Burglaptop> dammit, .er is a not a valid tld
[02:16] <Burglaptop> I wanted to register man.ag.er
[02:16] <Burglaptop> oh, wait it is
[02:17] <Burglaptop> damn, you must live in eritrea
[02:18] <Burglaptop> man.ag.es is available
[02:18] <Madpilot> need to do a grocery run - back later. Have fun frabblesnorking.
[02:18] <Burglaptop> "Eritrea does not yet have a direct internet connection."
 I am annoyed
[07:26] <robitaille> that's annoyning.   No idea. He didn't mention anything to Mako or I
[07:27] <robitaille> edited by the famous Jono Bacon
[07:27] <Burglaptop> robitaille: Jono, myself and Mako are writing the official Ubuntu book
[07:28] <robitaille> ah.  I didn't know that
[07:28] <Burglaptop> Jonathon Jesse is writing a Kubuntu chapter and Bhuvan is writing the server chapter
[07:28] <Madpilot> Burglaptop: is that Jono of Lugradio?
[07:28] <robitaille> Madpilot:  yes
[07:29] <robitaille> is there another Jono Bacon around Ubuntu? :)
[07:29] <Madpilot> is he as... scatalogical.. in his writing as he is on LugRadio? :P
[07:29] <Burglaptop> no
[07:29] <Madpilot> pity
[07:30] <Madpilot> robitaille: I didn't realize he was actually involved in Ubuntu (beyond plugging it on Lugradio)
[07:30] <robitaille> Jono has done some writing before:  http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxdeskhks/
[07:31] <Madpilot> yeah, saw some of his stuff on the LG site
[07:31] <Madpilot> so Burglaptop why are you loitering on IRC if you've got a book deadline to meet?
[07:32] <jsgotangco> lol
[07:32] <jsgotangco> good question
[07:32] <Burglaptop> because pot and book writing do not go together
[07:33] <Madpilot> you've got stoner roommates again? :)
[07:33] <robitaille> sp IRC and pot goes together?  :)
[07:33] <Burglaptop> yep
[07:33] <jsgotangco> im pretty much swamped with writing too at the moment
[07:33] <Burglaptop> the pot comes from the relative of one roommate
[07:34] <robitaille> after writting a couple of thesis at the university, and a couple of science papers, I have reached the conclusion that I'll never write a book.
[07:35] <jsgotangco> lol
[07:35] <jsgotangco> there's an old chinese saying about writing a book to become immortal...
[07:36] <robitaille> I'm not patient enough to write a book.
[07:36] <Burglaptop> Madpilot: dad was first published at 25. Beat him by two years!
[07:37] <jsgotangco> robitaille: it really eats up a lot of time
[07:37] <Madpilot> Burglaptop: ha
[07:38] <jsgotangco> apparently the europeans are much better writers since a lot of Ubuntu books have come out there
[07:38] <jsgotangco> already
[07:39] <Burglaptop> I think it is down to more linux users there
[07:39] <robitaille> the wiki world map of ubuntu users seems to show that most Ubuntu users are European
[07:39] <jsgotangco> not surprising
[07:39] <Madpilot> there's an ebook from France, I saw, and the Spanish one (Guadalinux?) - are there more?
[07:39] <jsgotangco> there are also at least 2 in germany
[07:40] <Burglaptop> the upcoming Ubuntu hacks book is from a US author
[07:40] <jsgotangco> ploum's book
[07:40] <jsgotangco> the publishers are having a field day
[07:42] <Burglaptop> Prentince Hall is seriously looking at an Edubuntu book, provided the Ubuntu book does well
[07:42] <Madpilot> yeah, but with 6 month release cycles, the selling season for these books isn't going to be that long...
[07:42] <jsgotangco> oh cool
[07:42] <jsgotangco> Madpilot: dapper is different
[07:42] <jsgotangco> Madpilot: most publishers tend to side with a "generic" reference
[07:42] <jsgotangco> rather than a specific release
[07:43] <jsgotangco> an official book will have lots of revisions though
[07:44] <Burglaptop> but Ubuntu books tend to concentrate on the desktop, which is the most variable part
[07:44] <jsgotangco> just to have good shelf visibility
[07:44] <Madpilot> hmm, Dapper is going to be the '5 year' release - so yeah, they'll last a bit longer
[07:44] <jsgotangco> a server book is more viable with a long shelf life i guess
[07:46] <Burglaptop> regardless of the short shelf life, Ubuntu books are going to fly off the shelf
[07:46] <jsgotangco> has anyone seen the g-a-i manual i wrote?
[07:47] <jsgotangco> comments? suggestions?
[07:48] <Burglaptop> jsgotangco: sorry, haven't seen it
[07:48] <jsgotangco> its already in the distro
[07:48] <Madpilot> jsgotangco: is it in our svn?
[07:48] <jsgotangco> yeah
[07:48] <jsgotangco> we just had it uploaded a few days ago with the package
[07:49] <Burglaptop> jsgotangco: I wonder about the installation section
[07:49] <jsgotangco> i just patterned it from u-m
[07:50] <Burglaptop> jsgotangco: you might want to make the note about it being installed by default a bit bolder and stronger
[07:51] <jsgotangco> feel free to comment on it on the list so i can make changes to it later
[07:52] <Burglaptop> the section "Main Window" might need a stronger title
[07:52] <Madpilot> g-a-i is dependent on Firefox?
[07:52] <jsgotangco> i will have to do some paid work first
[07:52] <jsgotangco> brb
[07:52] <jsgotangco> Madpilot: strange isn't it
[07:52] <Burglaptop> does it use gecko?
[07:53] <Madpilot> I used to complain about how dependant Windows was on IE; seems like we're just as dependent on Firefox... browsers are infectious or something :P
[07:54] <jsgotangco> app-install-data seems to rely on it
[07:56] <Burglaptop> jsgotangco: overall well written
[07:56] <Madpilot> is g-a-i called "Install and Remove Applications" or "Add & Remove..."?
[07:56] <jsgotangco> Install and Remove Applications is what we agreed upon
[07:57] <jsgotangco> (me, mvo and glatzor)
[07:57] <Madpilot> We've been using "Add.." in the UDG, it's "Add.." in the menus, but "Install.." in this guide?
[07:57] <Madpilot> is the menu entry going to change in Dapper?
[07:57] <jsgotangco> i dunno
[07:58] <Burglaptop> Madpilot: ask the -desktop list
[07:58] <Madpilot> When is freeze for that sort of thing, anyway? (UI/desktop details?)
[07:59] <Burglaptop> March 9th is UI freeze
[07:59] <Madpilot> and our doc freeze isn't until the 23rd or so - good.
[08:00] <Madpilot> Burglaptop: I'm not on -desktop - want to drop them a note and CC -doc?
[08:02] <Burglaptop> can do
[08:04] <Burglaptop> epiphany is nice, no?
[08:04] <jsgotangco> and fast
[08:04] <jsgotangco> i wonder how extensible it is though
[08:05] <jsgotangco> the way it renders fonts is different but not noticeable
[08:07] <Burglaptop> the fonts are smaller
[08:07] <jsgotangco> yes a wee bit
[08:08] <jsgotangco> text size zoom is just a click
[08:08] <Burglaptop> yes, but the default size is more importatnt
[08:09] <jsgotangco> it seems to render wikipedia in the correct font size though
[08:09] <jsgotangco> but gmail is slightly smaller
[08:09] <Burglaptop> bbc news is smaller
[08:11] <jsgotangco> wonder what determines it
[08:12] <jsgotangco> oh cool BBC as a11y info for linux users
[08:12] <Burglaptop> they even talk about GNOME and KDE
[08:12] <Burglaptop> there are people at the beeb get it
[08:12] <jsgotangco> yeah
[08:12] <jsgotangco> so cool
[08:12] <Burglaptop> I wish CBC were as good
[08:13] <jsgotangco> a few instructions to be posted on the web isn't hard
[08:16] <Burglaptop> but it shows that someone cares
[08:17] <jsgotangco> does anyone notice the the rhythmbox notification is cut when a different application is open
[08:17] <Burglaptop> don't use rb
[08:19] <jsgotangco> bah
[08:19] <jsgotangco> don't tell me i have to use a movie player to play audio :P
[08:19] <Burglaptop> Madpilot uses muine
[08:22] <Madpilot> jsgotangco: I was using Rb while I was running the Dapper LiveCD a few nights ago, didn't notice the popup "Now Playing" thing cutting out, and I ran a bunch of different apps
[08:23] <jsgotangco> hmm
[08:23] <Madpilot> RB in dapper is dramatically better than the RB in Breezy...
[08:23] <jsgotangco> yeah
[08:23] <jsgotangco> you can now do podcasts
[08:24] <Madpilot> I still like Muine's simple UI, though
[08:25] <crimsun> I prefer quod libet; too bad 0.18 probably won't make it into Dapper
[08:26] <jsgotangco> robitaille: heh
[08:28] <Madpilot> anyone used Cowbell before?
[08:29] <robitaille> I continously switch between computers at home and at work.  The remote server for blogs, podcasts, email is essential
[08:29] <Burglaptop> Madpilot: a little
[08:29] <Madpilot> Burglaptop: can you actually import whole folders into it, or just individual song files?
[08:29] <Burglaptop> Madpilot: whole folders
[08:29] <Burglaptop> I think
[08:30] <Madpilot> I've used EasyTag so far, it's more complex but handles whole directories easily
[08:30] <Madpilot> but we've got Cowbell in UDG... :P
[08:30] <jsgotangco> robitaille: its amazing on what they churn out with ajax though
[08:34] <Madpilot> 3360 songs in my Music directory...
[08:41] <robitaille> only 1291 songs in mine...but probably 200 CDs still to rip in my collection.  Obviously I'll never complete that project...
[08:41] <Madpilot> I've got CDs that I've never "really" heard, because I just ripped them straight to .ogg :P
[08:42] <Madpilot> a couple of DRM'd ones that wouldn't play, but would rip - go figure
[09:00] <Burglaptop> I didn't know we had an EmbeddedUbuntu project until about 4 days ago: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6954215579.html
[09:01] <jsgotangco> was it discussed during UBZ?
[09:02] <robitaille> sometimes I feel like writing a fake spec on the wiki, and see how long before a web site pick it up.  Maybe something to do for April 1st
[09:03] <Burglaptop> I don't remember it being dicussed, but I may have missed it
[09:03] <Madpilot> some of the stuff feels like it should have been added on April 1st - like this gem: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubunty_daily_tips
[09:03] <Madpilot> not a bad idea, but notice the spelling... :P
[09:03] <Burglaptop> I think for April 1st we shoudl rename the distro to "Hakuna Matata"
[09:04] <robitaille> I wonder if the Ubuntu devs will change the gdm image this April 1st like last year
[09:04] <Madpilot> April 1st release: Mutant Marsupial
[12:40] <mdke> hello jpatrick
[12:40] <jpatrick> hello mdke
[12:40] <mdke> I noticed you applied to join the ubuntu-doc launchpad team
[12:41] <jpatrick> yes, I did
[12:41] <mdke> we generally keep that team for people who work on the docs in our repository. are you interested in that?
[12:42] <jpatrick> yes, I'm working on PackagingGuide and KubuntuDesktopGuide
[12:42] <mdke> right, I saw that on your wiki page
[12:42] <mdke> but I haven't seen any patches yet on the mailing list, do you need any help with doing that?
[12:43] <jpatrick> I sent a patch to LaserJock today
[12:43] <jpatrick> he's yet to come online
[12:43] <mdke> ah right
[12:43] <mdke> jpatrick, if you send them to the mailing list too, then it helps us get to know you :)
[12:43] <mdke> thanks for getting involved
[12:44] <jpatrick> ok
[12:44] <mdke> after you've been sending patches for a while, you are likely to be given commit access
[12:44] <mdke> then we'll add you to the launchpad team :)
[12:44] <jpatrick> ok, thanks :)
[12:44] <jsgotangco> hi
[12:45] <mdke> feel free to hang out here too and ask any questions
[12:45] <mdke> hiya jsgotangco
[12:45] <jsgotangco> its pretty crazy here at the moment
[12:45] <jpatrick> hi jsgotangco
[12:45] <jsgotangco> tanks came out from the base of the marines
[12:46] <mdke> mm?
[12:46] <jsgotangco> i guess you don't read world news :D
[12:46] <mdke> i'm looking now
[12:46] <jsgotangco> there was a botched coup here last friday
[12:46] <mdke> ah i see
[12:46] <mdke> gosh
[12:47] <mdke> stay indoors!
[12:47] <jsgotangco> lol
[12:47] <jsgotangco> we actually watched WWE that night
[12:47] <jpatrick> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4745716.stm
[12:48] <jsgotangco> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4752118.stm
[02:50] <jpatrick> I'm having trouble with Kubuntu Desktop Guide
[02:51] <jpatrick> I run 'make desktop-web' then 'make desktop-web' but no output is made
[02:51] <jpatrick> make desktop-html that is
[03:02] <jpatrick> solved it
[05:04] <gusaweb> hello
[05:05] <gusaweb> I am here to submit an idea
[05:05] <gusaweb> or ask if it has already been done
[05:05] <robotgeek> sure gusaweb
[05:05] <gusaweb> Is there a launchpad documentation?
[05:06] <gusaweb> I am new in Ubuntu
[05:06] <robotgeek> gusaweb: do you mean documentation for launchpad?
[05:06] <gusaweb> yes robotgeek
[05:07] <gusaweb> yesterday I wanted to report bugs
[05:07] <gusaweb> and I realized launchpad has lots of functionnalities
[05:07] <gusaweb> it is a very great tool
[05:08] <gusaweb> but it would be nice if there was a documentation
[05:09] <robotgeek> gusaweb: i don't think there was anything there, as such.
[05:09] <robotgeek> https://wiki.launchpad.net/ might be a start, gusaweb
[05:10] <gusaweb> robotgeek ok
[06:48] <jpatrick> I've sent a diff to the list
[10:10] <dooglus> hi.
[10:10] <dooglus> where should I report problems with ubuntu docs?
[10:10] <dooglus> is malone the place?
[10:10] <jpatrick> yes
[10:10] <dooglus> ok.
[10:10] <dooglus> and...
[10:10] <dooglus> if I have a bunch of corrections,
[10:11] <dooglus> would you prefer one per report?  or all lumped together?
[10:11] <jpatrick> a diff file?
[10:11] <jpatrick> svn diff > patch.diff
[10:12] <dooglus> I'm not a writer.
[10:12] <dooglus> but I recognise when things don't read right.
[10:13] <jpatrick> one report
[10:16] <dooglus> I see a funny box between "1" and "about ubuntu" here: http://fsphost.com/dooglus/snaps/2006-02-26--22-14-14.png ; is that worth reporting?  Or is that the fault of a different team?
[10:18] <jpatrick> I don't see an "about ubuntu"
[10:19] <dooglus> no
[10:20] <dooglus> I mean between "1" and "participate".  in line 2.
[10:20] <dooglus> it's a box with:
[10:20] <dooglus> 2 0
[10:20] <dooglus> 0 2
[10:20] <dooglus> written in it
[10:21] <dooglus> is that a "best before" date?
[10:21] <jpatrick> I think it's fixed in svn
[10:22] <dooglus> any chance svn could be packaged and uploaded to the mirrors?
[10:23] <jpatrick> it's updated once in a while
[10:24] <dooglus> is there some documentation or FAQ about how I might get the svn version?
[10:24] <dooglus> there's no point me reporting bugs which have already been fixed in a version I haven't seen
[10:25] <jpatrick> http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/about-ubuntu/C/index.html
[10:25] <jpatrick> ^^built daily
[10:27] <dooglus> I mean is there some way I can see the svn version?
[10:28] <jpatrick> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/DocumentationTeam/Repository
[10:29] <dooglus> thanks
[10:31] <dooglus> that page says "It will ask for certificate informations".  "information" is a collective noun, and doesn't have a plural.
[10:33] <jpatrick> good point
[10:33] <dooglus> that was a test :)
[10:33] <dooglus> what should I do with such observations?
[10:34] <dooglus> 1) keep them to myself - it's only an 's' after all
[10:34] <dooglus> 2) fix them - it's a wiki
[10:34] <dooglus> 3) complain about it here (I did!)
[10:34] <dooglus> 4) report a bug in malone
[10:34] <dooglus> 5) none of the above
[10:35] <jpatrick> 2, if it was me
[10:37] <dooglus> ok.
[10:37] <dooglus> I did #2
[10:37] <dooglus> so I've checkout out the svn repository.  can I view the svn version of "about ubuntu" that's now in my home directory using yelp?
[10:38] <jpatrick> yes
[10:38] <dooglus> I tried: "yelp ubuntu-doc/ubuntu/aboutubuntu/C/about-ubuntu.xml" but it showed the
[10:38] <dooglus> 2 0
[10:38] <dooglus> box, just as before
[10:38] <dooglus> 0 2
[11:03] <mdke_> dooglus, perhaps I can help, what's the problem
[11:06] <mdke_> ah
[11:06] <mdke_> those 2002 boxes are a bug in yelp, it is reported, and fixed.
[11:10] <mdke_> dooglus, also, don't bother over About Ubuntu just now, it will hopefully be replaced by a program mpt_ is working on
[11:14] <mdke_> mpt_, actually, is your About Ubuntu still an option, after feature freeze?
[11:14] <mdke_> if not, we should get cracking and tidy up the old thing


[12:51] <octoquad> darkxst, for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/1218322 I have tested this with vivid + core314 ppa and it works for both gnome-control-center and gnome-settings-daemon test cases. Not sure if you would like to test a bit more and perhaps update the status of the bug?
[18:33] <ahoneybun> hello all


[14:16] <ratliff> ls
[14:17]  * ratliff slinks away embarrassed (wrong window)...
[17:52] <arges>  /msg hallyn hey I was wondering if you are available for a quick phone call sometime today. thanks
[17:54] <arges> hallyn: sorry, wrong nick. : ) anyway Hi.
[17:55] <hallyn> \o np :)
[17:56] <dmj_s76> Any word on when the new xenial kernel's expected to land?
[18:10]  * hallyn needs to find some time to test this claim that ubuntu kernels can be hand-built and upgraded on digitalocean 16.04 instances now
[18:17] <arges> dmj_s76: they are publishing right now. I'm guessing you're looking for 4.4.0-36.55?
[18:26] <dmj_s76> Yep, thanks!