[07:33] <dholbach> good morning
[08:24] <davidcalle> Morning o/
[08:27] <dholbach> salut davidcalle
[08:33] <davidcalle> Hey dholbach, happy deployment day! ;-)
[08:33] <dholbach> ooooh... it's deployment day again? :-)
[08:41] <davidcalle> dholbach: it is, I need to check one thing with mike (specifically about the branch we want to use for the dpeloyment, yesterday he told me production was used last time, and I've found the RT and it was staging, I'd like to clear it out)
[08:43] <dholbach> one day we'll figure out which branches we use :-)
[08:44] <davidcalle> dholbach: all of them! Until it works! :)
[08:45] <davidcalle> _Branching will continue until moral improves_
[08:46] <dholbach> I still don't think I understand why we use 3 different branches :)
[08:46] <dholbach> why couldn't we always land stuff in trunk (with code reviews) and deploy certain revisions of trunk to staging (for testing) and then merge changes after they were approved on staging into production?
[08:47] <dholbach> that way we'd have one branch we focus on and one "release" (production) branch
[08:47] <dholbach> I feel like I have asked that question a couple of times already, but I feel like that's the setup I'd somehow expect
[08:55] <davidcalle> dholbach: that was supposed to be smart, and ended up conflicting with the spec, I think we'll move it the way you are suggesting after today
[08:55] <dholbach> which spec? is this something which IS/webops require?
[08:56] <davidcalle> dholbach: one thing to note is that we *need* to use the same branch for both staging and prod deployments, which why my solution ended up conflicting with out mojo spec.
[08:56] <davidcalle> our*
[08:56] <dholbach> oh ok
[08:58] <davidcalle> dholbach: I think we'll have one trunk that we deploy to staging and prod, and one "production" that is not deployed, but represents the release actually in prod.
[08:58] <dholbach> give everything else, I feel that makes sense
[08:58] <dholbach> given everything else, I feel that makes sense
[08:58] <davidcalle> dholbach: let's hangout about it the three of us today/tomorrow
[08:58] <dholbach> sure
[10:17] <czajkowski> aloha
[11:27]  * dpm got the unity8 session to work for the first time \o/
[11:36] <dholbach> dpm, nice... I'll try again later on
[11:36] <dholbach> for now I can't get past lightdm - I get a black screen
[11:36] <dpm> dholbach, tip: before you enter the unity8 session, go to tty1, 'sudo service cgmanager start'
[11:37] <dholbach> oh
[11:37] <dholbach> do you know why is this necessary?
[11:37] <dholbach> do you know why this is necessary?
[11:41] <dpm> dholbach, I don't quite understand why, but it's a workaround for bug 1535058 for me
[11:41] <dpm> cgmanager should automatically start, but it does not seem to do it
[13:40] <davidcalle> dpm: is everything working as expected (app launching)?
[13:45] <dpm> davidcalle, yeah, that workaround fixed the issue for me. The web browser does crash after a few seconds of having started, though
[13:46] <popey> dpm: dholbach is unity8-desktop-session-mir the only thing you have to install?
[13:47] <dpm> popey, I had to manually install cgmanager too, seems to be a bug in the dependencies
[13:47] <popey> and it brings in the dash/scopes you need?
[13:47] <dpm> yep, they are contained in the scopes "app"
[13:48] <dpm> so no dash per se
[13:48] <popey> right, yeah, that's what I meant sorry
[13:48] <popey> enough "stuff" to get going
[13:49] <dpm> yeah, terminal and dekko work great. These are the ones I installed from the PPA. I've got them running both in unity7/8
[13:49] <popey> sweet
[14:03] <balloons> o/
[14:03] <balloons> glad it's still working, although bumpy
[14:04] <popey> hm, i get an empty "Scopes" window on start
[14:05] <popey> and no way to add an ubuntu one account 😖
[14:12] <dholbach> popey, I think I installed a few other things likes app and stuff, but I installed them ages ago
[14:12] <dholbach> brb
[14:21] <dholbach> unity8 crashes for me on login (bug 1558095)
[14:55] <svij> dpm: heya, can you setup an recurring ubucon-eu-meeting call (this time with correct e-mail addressses :))? I thought that there was a call without me yesterday, but as I heard, there wasn't.
[14:58] <dpm> svij, yep. Afaik, the addresses were correct, though?
[14:58] <svij> dpm: marius' mail was wrong last time
[14:58] <dpm> svij, hm, I think he sorted it out. I added both his addresses
[14:59] <dpm> and he managed to join the hangout
[14:59] <svij> no, you suck at copy-pasting :P quabeck, not quackbeck ;)
[14:59] <dpm> I wonder how he got in, though :)
[15:00] <svij> I've send him the URL to the hangout
[15:00] <svij> and I think you had to accept him as a guest last time
[15:00] <dpm> anyway, I'll make sure everyone is on the list with the right address
[15:00] <svij> great. :)
[15:01] <svij> oh and also, I thought of doing a quick "What do you want to hear/know hat ubucon eu?" through social media, so we might have a few more ideas before we are going to talk about the schedule. What do you think?
[15:02] <dpm> svij, on the phone, so I will not be too responsive in the next few hours, but sounds like a great idea
[15:02] <svij> ok good
[15:02] <popey> dholbach: could you do a "dpkg -l *scope*" or something and see if you have any debs I don't?
[15:03] <popey> dholbach: or some other package if you know what it might be?
[15:03] <dholbach> popey, http://paste.ubuntu.com/15401923/
[15:03] <popey> thanks dholbach
[15:03] <dholbach> what kind of package are you looking for?
[15:04] <popey> actually I can diff between desktop and phone
[15:04] <popey> suspect I'm missing a few bits :)
[15:05] <dholbach> I can't even login
[15:05] <popey> heh
[15:05] <dholbach> so I'm not sure I'm the right person to ask :)
[15:05] <popey> I am sshing in to fiddle with packages
[15:05] <dholbach> I installed media-hub, a bunch of core apps
[15:06] <popey> amusingly, while you can't login, I can't logout :)
[15:08] <dholbach> nice
[15:08] <dholbach> shall we move to #ubuntu-unity?
[15:08] <popey> no, I'm gonna defer this to when I have more time, friday I think :)
[16:50] <popey> dpm: my laptop has freaked out, I'm no longer on the hangout
[16:51] <dpm> I was wondering why you were looking so still :)
[16:51] <jcastro> popey: https://obsproject.com/
[16:52] <popey> yeah, i have played with that
[16:52] <popey> you can also use simplescreenrecorder
[16:52] <popey> (to stream to twitch) (I think)
[16:52] <jcastro> with this you can stream to twitch and youtube at the same time it seems
[16:54] <popey> nice
[17:08] <dholbach> all right ... need to run - see you all tomorrow! :-)


[00:50] <asnos> you can install the xubuntu 10.10 at a PIV 1.3 and 128 ram?
[00:51] <charlie-tca> It won't run the desktop, no
[00:51] <charlie-tca> You need 256MB for the GUI
[00:52] <asnos> ;_;
[00:53] <asnos> a version that runs with less than 128 ram
[00:57] <asnos> I am interested only run internet - music and youtube
[04:15] <wizardslovak> hello people
[04:15] <wizardslovak> which confic file has written what to mount on startup?
[04:16] <wizardslovak> everytime i start it i gotta manually mount 2 hard drive partitions
[04:16] <well_laid_lawn> !fstab
[04:17] <wizardslovak> oh ok
[04:17] <wizardslovak> now how do i find those uuid?
[04:23] <well_laid_lawn> !uuid
[04:44] <Ak1ra> i notice that xubuntu is packaged with abiword and gnumeric (rather than open office).... are there a lot of ... not software 'deficiencies' but maybe cutbacks like that across the whole base installation
[04:45] <Ak1ra> the reason i'm looking at xubuntu is because i prefer xfce to gnome, rather than looking to downsize my operating footprint
[04:46] <well_laid_lawn> xubuntu tries to use lighter apps but you can install anything if you want
[04:46] <well_laid_lawn> !repos
[04:47] <Ak1ra> ooo both good responses <3
[04:47] <well_laid_lawn> all the ubuntu versions use the same repos
[04:47] <Ak1ra> oh really? for some reason i thought ubuntu included OO at base install
[05:01] <pleia2> Ak1ra: repos are just where the software is pulled from, it doesn't dictate what is shipped on the CD for different flavors
[05:01] <pleia2> ubuntu does come with OO at the base install, xubuntu does not, but if you wanted to install it (or upgrade it) both xubuntu and ubuntu pull from the same place
[14:06] <vendetta> can anyone help me with my graphics card problem?
[14:06] <well_laid_lawn> depends on the problem
[14:07] <well_laid_lawn> you'd have to tell us about it to find out
[14:07] <vendetta> got an onboard graphics card an i am running two monitors with it. one on dvi and one on d-sub
[14:07] <vendetta> if i want to watch a video it only shows a black screen, but i can hear the sound
[14:08] <vendetta> if i set one monitor to "off" and do everything on one monitor, it works fine
[14:09] <well_laid_lawn> that'll be a lack of memory available to the vid card
[14:10] <well_laid_lawn> using only one screens frees some memeory
[14:10] <well_laid_lawn> s/screens/screen/
[14:11] <vendetta> okay, but this is not an option for the future. i'll need a new graphics card
[14:12] <Sysi> flash video?
[14:12] <well_laid_lawn> sounds like it
[14:12] <vendetta> no, not a flash video
[14:12] <vendetta> flash videos work (e.g. on youtube)
[14:12] <vendetta> they dont work, if i want them full screen
[14:13] <vendetta> maybe it is because these monitors have different resolutions? one got 1600x1200 and the other has 1680x1050
[14:15] <well_laid_lawn> nah your using all the vid cards memory for the displays
[14:15] <well_laid_lawn> the x log should mention something about it
[14:16] <vendetta> /var/log/xorg.0.log?
[14:17] <well_laid_lawn> yep
[14:18] <well_laid_lawn> you're prob using all the virtual disply area with both monitors
[14:19] <vendetta> yes, i guess thats right
[14:19] <vendetta> both monitors form one large dispay
[14:20] <well_laid_lawn> drop the resolutions or just use one monitor for watching videos
[14:21] <vendetta> i thought about buying a low profile graphics card. want to use these high res and i dont want to switch one monitor off every time i want to watch a video
[14:22] <well_laid_lawn> what's the onboard vid card?
[14:23] <vendetta> should be an intel 3100 or so
[14:26] <vendetta> yes, intel gma 3100, with a max. shared memory of 384mb
[14:26] <well_laid_lawn> you're pretty limited for choice of driver then afaik
[14:26] <vendetta> indeed
[14:27] <vendetta> so i was wondering whether i should buy a ati 4350, dual-dvi with 1gb memory, or an geforce 9500 with 512mb
[14:28] <well_laid_lawn> most ppl recommend nvidia
[14:28] <Sysi> 4xxx atis should have nice open drivers
[14:28] <vendetta> threads on the internet are from 3-5 years ago so maybe hings have changed?
[14:29] <well_laid_lawn> I know nothing about nvidia or ati...
[14:30] <vendetta> ll
[14:31] <Sysi> yup, open ones should do 3D too on ati
[14:31] <well_laid_lawn> from what I've seen on these channels the newer catilyst drivers are fine and nvidia seems ok too
[14:32] <Sysi> propietary nvidia works well, but i'd trust more to open one
[14:32] <vendetta> sounds nice. i dont need much graphics stuff, like games. i just need a power saving way to run two monitors and watching a video from time to time
[14:32] <vendetta> Sysi, you got an url to these open drivers?
[14:33] <Sysi> greatest thing is that they come by default
[14:34] <vendetta> what about he proprietary ati drivers?
[14:34] <Sysi> stay away
[14:34] <vendetta> by default sounds awesome
[14:34] <vendetta> hehe ok. any reason why?
[14:35] <Sysi> they're not working well, expecially older ones with new xorg
[14:37] <vendetta> all right. i guess i give ati a try
[14:37] <well_laid_lawn> nvidia still hasn;t moved on from xorg.conf afaik
[14:37] <vendetta> thank both of you very much
[14:37] <well_laid_lawn> np
[14:42] <vendetta> is it possible to run on each monitor one virtual workspace?
[14:43] <well_laid_lawn> if you right click the pager you can set the number of workspaces
[14:45] <vendetta> yeah, but can i set an option like workspace1 - right monitor, workspace2 - left monitor?
[14:45] <well_laid_lawn> I don't think so
[14:45] <TheSheep> vendetta: you can run separate displays on two monitors
[14:45] <well_laid_lawn> !xrandr
[14:45] <TheSheep> vendetta: then each of them will have its own set of workspaces
[14:46] <TheSheep> xrandr only lets you have a large workspace that spans 2 monitors
[14:46] <vendetta> but i still need to shovel windows from one to the other
[14:47] <TheSheep> no problem
[14:47] <TheSheep> !dual-head
[14:47] <vendetta> thank you ubottu. i will try it
[14:48] <well_laid_lawn> I thought things had moved away from xinerama
[14:53] <TheSheep> it did
[14:53] <TheSheep> but it's still used/useful sometimes
[14:54] <well_laid_lawn> ok
[15:43] <MorphixNW> heyt
[15:44] <MorphixNW> hey*
[16:52] <vendetta> well_laid_lawn, just to give you an update: using vlc in opengl-mode also solves the problem with the video
[17:21] <MorphixNW> Anyone had experience of setting up a dual screen using a USB to VGA Adapter?
[17:23] <MorphixNW> !dual screen
[17:23] <Sysi> i guess "USB to VGA" works as separate graphics card
[17:31] <MorphixNW> ok different question, can anyone help with setting up dual screens on 10.04?
[17:32] <MorphixNW> seems very hard to get an answer around here lately :(
[17:34] <Sysi> what graphics card
[17:37] <Sysi> first → arandr/nvidia\ati tool, if not, xorg.conf
[17:41] <MorphixNW> its a USB to VGA Adapter
[17:42] <MorphixNW> I have plugged it all in, USB into the PC and VGA into the VGA of the Adapter
[17:42] <Sysi> what does lsusb say
[17:43] <MorphixNW> the screen is detecting a signal and the screen is also black with a red border on two sides
[17:44] <MorphixNW> lsusb = "Magic Technology Corp. SVGA Adapter" exactly as written
[17:45] <MorphixNW> is there no such thing as a GUI to configure this stuff?
[17:45] <Sysi> arandr for normal dual-screen, that yours sounds special
[17:45] <MorphixNW> lol, well my mother said that I am a very special boy lmfao
[17:46] <MorphixNW> ;)
[17:46] <MorphixNW> I imagine that its a cheap rip off of a more expensive one, but I didnt purchase it so I have no idea
[17:48] <Sysi> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=774994
[17:48] <MorphixNW> thank you :)
[17:49] <MorphixNW> dinner time, ill be away for a while but "in best Arnie Voice" ILL BE BACK


[17:25] <ecbook> hi
[17:26] <ecbook> someone please tell me, how to make secure upload to s3
[17:43] <smoser> rakesh-ec, s3cmd can do it. when you do s3cmd --configure, chose use_https = True
[21:45] <mlevin_> hey folks. quick question for ya. I have an ubuntu 9.10 image on amazon (cloned alestic's ami-7d43ae14 to make my own). did an aptitude safe-upgrade today and upgraded some packages and also noticed it upgraded to kernel 2.6.31-305-ec2, but when I reboot and do uname -a, it is still on 2.6.31-302-ec2. so how do I get it to boot into 2.6.31-305-ec2?