[03:09] <edubuntufan> Hello, are many users on?
[03:11] <edubuntufan> Hi..does anyone have a tutorial on getting old iMacs to boot off of the LTSP?
[03:18] <edubuntufan> hi all
[03:18] <edubuntufan> not very active tonight?
[10:29] <kaingeo> My Ubuntu 8.04 LTSP installation is freezing (screen freezes but mouse moving) is it normal from time to time?
[10:30] <kaingeo> The kernel message is: [ 1454.088037] NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth1: transmit timed out
[13:29] <amanulla> hiiiiii
[13:29] <amanulla>  is there any usb version for ubuntu with in 500 mb
[15:51] <Shindig> Anyone have any experience in a large scale edubuntu desktop deployment.. I am currently looking to deploy a few hundered in the school district to start
[15:52] <sbalneav> Shindig: I don't deploy edubuntu itself, but I do deploy Ubuntu + ltsp for 185 desktops.
[15:56] <Shindig> sbalneav: what is the best way to manage that many machines.. i need to lock them down and not give kids access to everything?
[15:56] <sbalneav> Are you planning on deploying full desktops, or thin clients?
[15:56] <Shindig> Full desktops
[15:57] <Shindig> i am a mix of apple, windows and hopefull soon linux...with AD and apples OD
[15:58] <Shindig> try to use most of are window machines that will not run vista and putting Linux on them
[15:58] <Shindig> New machine are Apple now a days
[15:58] <sbalneav> Well, simplest will be to use a mixture of Sabayon and some gconf trickery to bolt down the desktops
[15:59] <Shindig> anyways the over all Goal is to get out of the Microsoft school agreemnet
[15:59] <sbalneav> heh, free incentives are over, now the bill's come due? :)
[16:00] <sbalneav> Where I work, we ran into that years ago, we've been a 100% linux shop since 2001
[16:00] <Shindig> lol the cost keeps going up and truly when you are in a school argreemnet you have to pay per desktop no matter what the OS is
[16:01] <Shindig> see the las 3000 machine have all been apple that just donst fit anymore
[16:01] <sbalneav> heh
[16:02] <Shindig> but i have been playing with Sabayon and gconf but is there a way to mange it in one place for a gobal config for all desktops or does it have to be managed from each machine?
[16:03] <Shindig> I have an 11:00am meeting that i am running late for but i will be back in like 30 min
[16:03] <sbalneav> Shindig: Well, with sabayon...
[16:03] <sbalneav> ok, I'll be here when you get back.
[16:04] <Shindig> appreciate any help in advance :)  sorry lost track of time but i will brb
[16:11] <stgraber> sbalneav: hey, do you have a second to tell me how's LDM autologin working ? (or point me to some docs)
[16:12] <stgraber> I'd like to merge our own autologin with ldm's as I did for the ldm screen.d script (basically ldm-cluster calls ldm with some extra variables)
[16:13] <sbalneav> stgraber: I think it's documented fairly well in the ltsp-docs branch up on lp
[16:13] <sbalneav> It's pretty much just a case of setting LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD
[16:14] <stgraber> sbalneav: can I use login+ssh-key ?
[16:14] <sbalneav> vagratc added some fancy code to allow for a guest login button
[16:14] <sbalneav> I think so.
[16:14] <stgraber> we call a daemon that generates a temporary account then use it to login
[16:14] <sbalneav> that was something Gadi added
[17:02] <cosf> help in LTSP
[17:15] <sbalneav> cosf: What do you need?
[17:20] <sbalneav> cosf: Hello?
[17:21] <edubuntufan> hello
[17:22] <edubuntufan> anyone on right now?
[17:22] <sbalneav> Yup
[17:22] <edubuntufan> nice
[17:22] <edubuntufan> I am an educator that has a thin client lab up, has anyone heard of how we can set up old iMACS to act as etrminal machines?
[17:23] <sbalneav> The infrastructure's there in LTSP to allow for imac clients.
[17:24] <nubae> sbalneav: do u know if the lxde window manager will work in a thin client environment?
[17:24] <edubuntufan> so it is already set up to use iMacs?
[17:24] <edubuntufan> it can use the powerpc chip without more programming?
[17:25] <sbalneav> edubuntufan: You'd have to install ubuntu/edubuntu on an imac to build the chroot environment, though.
[17:26] <edubuntufan> I am using this tutorial: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPCrossArchSetup, but my server has no /etc/exports file
[17:27] <edubuntufan> even tho my edubuntu thin client lab is working, do I still need to do the first step and sudo apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone openssh-server  to get that file?
[17:28] <sbalneav> Hold on, lemme check and see if they've got ppc cd's for download...
[17:29] <edubuntufan> I already have xubuntu installed on an imac
[17:31] <sbalneav> ok, then you should be able to just install the ltsp-server-standalone packages, and do an ltsp-build-client.
[17:31] <edubuntufan> do  I install it on the imac then?
[17:31] <sbalneav> you'll have to copy in the sshkeys from the server you actually want to host the images at.
[17:31] <sbalneav> yup
[17:31] <sbalneav> because you'll have to build an image there.
[17:32] <sbalneav> you can't build the ppc image on i386 hardware :)
[17:33] <edubuntufan> brb
[17:33] <highvoltage> howdy sbalneav
[17:37] <sbalneav> hey highvoltage
[17:37] <edubuntufan> Right now I have edubuntu/ltsp on an i386 machine and xubunut/ppc-version on an imac. ON the imac I run sudo apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone openssh-serve and then I do an ltsp-build client?  is that right?
[17:37] <sbalneav> yup
[17:38] <edubuntufan> once the client is built does following this tutorial explain what to do? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPCrossArchSetup
[17:38] <sbalneav> there'll be some more work after that, but that's good to go on
[17:38] <edubuntufan> is there an online tutorial?
[17:38] <sbalneav> yeah, that page should get you most of the way there
[17:39] <edubuntufan> do I need to install anything on my server?
[17:39] <highvoltage> sbalneav: you were(or maybe still are) working on an ltsp manual. where is that?
[17:39] <sbalneav> no, but you might need to fiddle with your dhcpd.conf file
[17:39] <highvoltage> I was looking for it a while back but couldn't find it.
[17:39] <sbalneav> highvoltage: on the docs.edubuntu.org site
[17:39] <sbalneav> 1 sec
[17:40] <sbalneav> http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/edubuntu/handbook/C/
[17:40] <highvoltage> sbalneav: thanks
[17:41] <edubuntufan> yeah, the tutorial says, "Note that powerpc clients need some special options in the servers dhcp setup. " but there is no link for additional information.
[17:42] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/dhcpd.conf
[17:42] <ogra> use that
[17:42] <edubuntufan> As I am doing this I am creaing a squidoo page/tutorial. I hope to have a location that shows schools how to set this up like me and use all types of hardware.
[17:42] <edubuntufan> our school alone has 50 iMACs from days long past.
[17:42] <edubuntufan> as well as old intel based machines.
[17:43] <edubuntufan> oo thanks ogra...that is the dhcp3-server conf file on the server, right?
[17:44] <sbalneav> ogra: Added your dhcpd.conf to the bottom of the page
[17:44] <ogra> in /etc/ltsp on the server, yes
[17:44] <ogra> sbalneav, thanks
[17:44] <edubuntufan> thank you sbalneav and ogra...
[17:45] <sbalneav> NP
[17:45] <edubuntufan> my tutorial says that before I build the powerpc that I need to edit the exports file on the server to "/opt/ltsp       *(rw,no_root_squash,async)"
[17:46] <edubuntufan> however, there is no "/etc/exports" file on the server...
[17:46] <edubuntufan> can I skip that step or even tho I my server is operational, do I need to "sudo apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone openssh-server"?
[17:47] <nubae> sbalneav: did ever do that merge of changes u wanted to the ltsp manual in launchpad?
[17:49] <sbalneav> Not yet, been swamped with Hardy updates here at work.
[17:49] <sbalneav> I'll try to get to it tomorrow
[17:50] <nubae> cool, hardy bug fixes are indeed more important :-)
[17:51] <edubuntufan> Last question before I go tincker while I work, when I have built the powerpc image and configured the DHCP file, how do I get the imac to boot off of PXE?  Hold down C?
[17:51]  * ogra thinks it was n
[17:51] <ogra> but its two years ago that i touched my last ppc
[17:51] <ogra> apple+n


[00:34] <tominglis> hey, i have just installed mythbuntu 8.04, and i am having trouble configruing the mythtv backend
[00:35] <tominglis> i am unable to get it to connect to the database with the password i entered during setup, the default 'mythtv', and with a blank
[00:35] <tominglis> do you have any suggestions?
[00:40] <ajhtiredwolf> hey anyone seen greybeard on here in a while?
[00:42] <ajhtiredwolf> guess not  :P, anyway, anyone here ever mount a drive over the network to store your mythtv files?
[00:44] <hads> tominglis: Check in mythbuntu-control-centre you can setup the database credentials there.
[00:50] <tominglis> yeah, but the problem i am having is when i am in the first setup screen
[00:50] <tominglis> and need to enter my mysql password
[00:51] <tominglis> i have tried the password generated during setup, the password i entered for mythtv root, and 'mythtv' and leaving it blank
[00:51] <tominglis> sorry for root not mythtv root
[00:51] <hads> The password is stored in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt
[00:51] <tominglis> yeah, i've tried that one
[00:54] <tominglis> if i log in to mysql as root, maybe i can change it manually? is there any reason why the generated password would not work?
[00:54] <tominglis> i've tried it with the capitals in place and all lower case
[00:55] <Coded1> I'm having a problem with sound on mythbuntu 8.0.4 and SPDIF output to my surround receiver I can play a ac3 file but mp3 files appear to play but I get no sound
[00:55] <Coded1> some config info > http://pastebin.com/m275ede80
[00:57] <squish102> Coded1 i just been through something similar, i had an mplayer line like the following:  mplayer -ao alsa:device=hw=1.3
[00:57] <squish102> card 1 device 3
[00:57] <tominglis> restarting
[00:57] <squish102> and then also unmuting something something (although mine was over hdmi)
[00:58] <Coded1> squish102: did that resolve the problem?
[00:59] <squish102> yes, i could play wav files and mpeg2, didnt try mp3
[00:59] <squish102> but after getting mythtv to play recordings with sound over hdmi, i switched machine off
[00:59] <squish102> took a couple hours to get that working
[01:00] <Coded1> not too much on the net about this
[01:01] <Coded1> mostly unanswered questions, that line you gave me gave me this out put > http://pastebin.com/m43bcb2db
[01:01] <Coded1> but still no sound
[01:02] <Coded1> i think the reciever is expecting 48kHz and is only getting 44100
[01:02] <Coded1> Hz
[01:03] <ajhtiredwolf> hey so anyone else do that? mount a hard drive over the network to store your files? its working great only problem is that the mount is starts before the network oes some times, which causes it to take 5 minutes or so just hanging there
[01:04] <tominglis> so i looked at my mysql server, and it doesn't have a mythconverg database or a mythtv user
[01:05] <tominglis> is there a file i can reinstall to try and get these entries put in there?
[01:05] <tominglis> package, sorry
[01:10] <tominglis> i am unable to get my backend to talk to the database, after installing mythbuntu 8.04.1 (+ updates et al), presumably because there is no mythconverg database or mythtv user in the mysql daatabase
[01:11] <tominglis> does anyone know how to correct this?
[01:12] <tominglis> i will try reinstalling mythtv-database through synaptic?
[01:16] <squish102> Coded1 i would have tried
[01:17] <squish102> card 0 device 3
[01:17] <squish102> mplayer -ao alsa:device=hw=0.3
[01:18] <Coded1> squish102: just tried that but same outcome
[01:49]  * trontos tries for a second time to get lirc_imon-pad working...
[01:33] <ajhtiredwolf> hey so anyone else do that? mount a hard drive over the network to store your files? its working great only problem is that the mount is starts before the network oes some times, which causes it to take 5 minutes or so just hanging there
[03:30] <Coded1> The remote sensor that came with my pinnacle pctv pci card is really just a sensor that plugs into my RS232 port.  I chose the pinnacle PCTV Pro from the list at setup but it doesnt seem to be working.   is there a generic one i can try?
[03:52] <ajhtiredwolf> hey so anyone else do that? mount a hard drive over the network to store your files? its working great only problem is that the mount is starts before the network oes some times, which causes it to take 5 minutes or so just hanging there
[05:58] <oobe> ajhtiredwolf, put noauto in your fstab lines then add the mount command to /etc/rc.local
[05:58] <oobe> i do the same thing it works well
[06:04] <ajhtiredwolf> oobe, if i put it rc.local why add it to fstab aws well/
[06:08] <oobe> well i meant mount /path/to/mount/point
[06:08] <oobe> but you could do mount -t nfs host:/path/to/mount/point /path/to/mount/point
[06:09] <oobe> either way will work
[06:09] <Steven_M> hi all
[06:09] <oobe> its simpler to change fstab to noauto
[06:11] <oobe> box:/home/oobe/.mythtv/MythVideo /home/oobe/.mythtv/MythVideo  nfs noauto,rsize=8192,wsize=8192,timeo=14,intr
[06:11] <oobe> thats my fstab line
[06:11] <Steven_M> how do you tell whether dma or what ever is called is on?
[06:11] <oobe> mount /home/oobe/.mythtv/MythVideo
[06:11] <oobe> thats my rc.local line
[06:12] <oobe> Steven_M, the program is hdparm
[06:12] <oobe> i dont know the syntax
[06:12] <oobe> you will have to check the man page or google it
[06:12] <ajhtiredwolf> kk
[06:13] <Steven_M> oobe: did I get the  turm dma right?
[06:13] <Steven_M> * term
[06:17] <ajhtiredwolf> oobe, do you have it unmount manually too?
[06:22] <oobe> ajhtiredwolf, no i dont
[06:22] <oobe> basically i wanted it mounted all the time
[06:22] <ajhtiredwolf> oobe, for some reason it hangs while unmounting too, let me try it now though making those changes
[06:23] <oobe> ajhtiredwolf, do you need to umount it
[06:23] <oobe> what purpose is it for
[06:23] <ajhtiredwolf>  i save my recordings and  vidoes are read from it
[06:23] <oobe> i have 5 different mount points for my remote frontend
[06:23] <oobe> all of which i do not wish to umount
[06:24] <ajhtiredwolf> well they have to be unmounted when rebooting
[06:24] <oobe> you dont need to mount you recordings
[06:24] <oobe> but for mythvideo you do
[06:24] <oobe> yeah they do umount when rebooting
[06:24] <ajhtiredwolf> the recordings folder is on a seperate machine
[06:24] <oobe> and i dont experience problems with that
[06:24] <oobe> seperate from the frontend
[06:24] <oobe> i mean backend
[06:25] <ajhtiredwolf> the front end and the back end are on the same machine
[06:25] <ajhtiredwolf> the actually storage directory is on a different one
[06:25] <ajhtiredwolf> hmm yeah so while rebooting it says this CIFS VFS: server no responding
[06:25] <ajhtiredwolf> CIFS VFS: No response for cmd 50 mid 42906
[06:25] <ajhtiredwolf> and it hangs here
[06:25] <ajhtiredwolf> for aw hile
[06:27] <oobe> do you need to use CIFS
[06:27] <oobe> like for password protection or somthing
[06:27] <oobe> cause i dont really know much about it
[06:27] <ajhtiredwolf>  darn looks like the same problem even when using automount, it is hanging at mount error 101 = network is uncreachable
[06:28] <ajhtiredwolf> hmm well that is the only way that i know of to do it
[06:28] <oobe> you can try using NFS
[06:28] <oobe> i can help you
[06:29] <ajhtiredwolf> oobe, alrighty, is that just a different network manager?
[06:29] <oobe> its just a different file share protocol
[06:30] <oobe> well not to different
[06:30] <oobe> but sounds like you network is coming up really late
[06:30] <ajhtiredwolf> oobe, yeah ive always had problems with it, some times it doesnt cmoe up at all heh
[06:30] <oobe> unless your fstab line is missing the noauto
[06:30] <oobe> is it wired
[06:30] <ajhtiredwolf> Yes it is
[06:31] <oobe> i would look at testing things with your network first
[06:31] <oobe> do you use NetworkManager
[06:31] <ajhtiredwolf> oobe, the problem is iwith the driver
[06:31] <ajhtiredwolf> oobe, but regaurdless it needs to be mounted after the network starts
[06:34] <oobe> you nic driver?
[06:34] <ajhtiredwolf> onboard lan drvier
[06:34] <oobe> does the network start before your window manager
[06:35] <ajhtiredwolf> oobe, hmm not sure
[06:35] <oobe> if it does you can add a a small mount script in ~/.config/autostart
[06:36] <oobe> make a small script call /usr/local/bin/netmount
[06:36] <oobe> add the mount command
[06:36] <ajhtiredwolf> how can i check if it does?
[06:36] <oobe> chmod a+x /usr/local/bin/netmount
[06:37] <oobe> then "ln -s /usr/local/bin/netmount ~/.config/autostart
[06:37] <oobe> then "ln -s /usr/local/bin/netmount ~/.config/autostart"
[06:37] <oobe> i dont really know
[06:37] <oobe> other than if it hangs before the wm loads
[06:37] <oobe> then it probably has already started
[06:37] <oobe> plus its likely that it has
[06:37] <ajhtiredwolf> oobe, i read that ther would be better driver support for my onboard lan in 8.10
[06:37] <ajhtiredwolf> so it might be best to just wait and see
[06:38] <oobe> since the networking scripts are at a lower run level
[06:38] <ajhtiredwolf> btw do you use lirc?
[06:38] <oobe> i guess or you could try and build the new driver yourseld
[06:38] <oobe> yes
[06:39] <ajhtiredwolf> does irexec -d start for you automatically?
[06:39] <oobe> no
[06:39] <oobe> i use a script
[06:40] <oobe> its the one i call daemon in this thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=905271
[06:40] <ajhtiredwolf> when mythtv crashes does the button you use to launch it stop working?
[06:40] <oobe> well it doesnt crash
[06:40] <ajhtiredwolf> heh
[06:40] <oobe> but sometimes the remote stops working on my remote frontend
[06:41] <oobe> that may be a prob with the lirc drivers
[06:41] <ajhtiredwolf> does it have a delay some times? like when you are flipping thorugh channels or changing the volume, does it stutter?
[06:41] <oobe> the remote?
[06:41] <ajhtiredwolf> yeha
[06:42] <oobe> not really
[06:42] <ajhtiredwolf> grr
[06:42] <ajhtiredwolf> ive only met one other person with this problem
[06:42] <ajhtiredwolf> and he didnt know how to solve it either
[06:42] <oobe> i think to be honest you should look at fixing your network and testing the speeds
[06:42] <ajhtiredwolf> it only seems to happen in mythtv
[06:42] <ajhtiredwolf> there is a delay on the button press, and while im doing something, like turning up the volume, the video skipos, sound stays the same but vidoe skips
[06:42] <oobe> and having a backend record to a remote filesystem my be a big part of the problem
[06:43] <oobe> the network latency is probably enough to make mythtv crash
[06:44] <ajhtiredwolf> so i should put the backend on the same machine where the files are stored?
[06:47] <ajhtiredwolf> hey oobe will you be on tomorrow?
[06:47] <oobe> yeah that would make things a lot more simple
[06:47] <oobe> hard to say
[06:47] <oobe> you can pm me on ubuntuforums.org
[06:47] <oobe> my nick is oobe-feisty
[06:48] <oobe> or fiesty
[06:48] <oobe> i get it mixed up
[06:48] <ajhtiredwolf> i just havent met anyone who had this much insite to what im trying to do, coudl I add on msn or something? Im on quite  a few pain killers from a surgery right now so im probably gonna crash pretty soon heh
[06:48] <oobe> yeah<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:48] <oobe> and yes when i tried to set up all this stuff i had trouble finding support to
[06:48] <ajhtiredwolf> thanks man, il message you tomorrow if your on, thanks for  your help
[06:48] <ajhtiredwolf> well i guess it kinda figures
[06:49] <ajhtiredwolf> making your own dvr isnt necessarily going to be easy heh
[06:49] <oobe> but it is worth it
[06:49] <ajhtiredwolf> for sure
[06:49] <oobe> i had the added nightmare of using wireless
[06:49] <ajhtiredwolf> i wish i would ahve invested in a nicer card
[06:49] <oobe> i spent about 200$ extra on stuff i didnt need
[06:50] <ajhtiredwolf> the card that i got was onl y20$ hah
[06:50] <ajhtiredwolf> it was a real pain just to get linux to recognize it
[06:50] <oobe> well the graphics card i use for my remote fe is only 20$ but it displays in 1080i
[06:51] <oobe> and yeah i have had some shit cheap tv cards that are supposedly supported
[06:51] <oobe> but have been useless
[06:51] <ajhtiredwolf> letss see though
[06:52] <ajhtiredwolf> if i were to put the backend on the other machine, i would need the card there too right?
[06:52] <oobe> that would be my preference
[06:52] <oobe> otherwise you will have the same problems
[06:52] <ajhtiredwolf> darn
[06:52] <oobe> my be/fe machine does all the work
[06:53] <ajhtiredwolf> yeah I dont think  i will be able to do that hah, that is my ftp server / ssh server already ,and i dont have a cable line running there
[06:53] <oobe> it has 160GB partition for recordings
[06:53] <oobe> thats all i need
[06:53] <oobe> and of course it has the tuner aswell
[06:53] <ajhtiredwolf> I was thinking of getting a 1tb hd, they are only like 90$ now
[06:53] <oobe> wow thats cheap
[06:53] <ajhtiredwolf> Yeah seirously, im betting that 2tb will be out soon
[06:54] <ajhtiredwolf> the prices just dropped dramatically hah
[06:54] <oobe> i got one a few weeks ago for $200 aud
[06:54] <oobe> which is about 120usd now but wasnt then
[06:54] <ajhtiredwolf>  where are you from?
[06:54] <oobe> australia
[06:54] <ajhtiredwolf> right on, my good friend elissa is from there
[06:55] <oobe> so i cant help with thinks like atsc or h.264 transcoding
[06:55] <oobe> cool
[06:55] <ajhtiredwolf> hey is it not possible to have recordings automatically go to mpeg or avi?. some times told me it wasnt, but i kinda dobut that
[06:55] <ajhtiredwolf> it seems like it would be too usefl for someone to NOT make something to do that hah
[06:57] <ajhtiredwolf>  Trying to not pass out heh
[06:59] <oobe> well what you are talking about is autostranscoding
[06:59] <oobe> it ends up being a nuv file
[06:59] <oobe> it ends up being mpeg2 or mpeg4
[07:00] <oobe> but the extension is nuv
[07:00] <ajhtiredwolf> right, but could it made to automatically made into  an afile?vi
[07:00] <oobe> and it doesnt play very well in other players
[07:00] <ajhtiredwolf> hmm but it wont play in a regular program
[07:00] <ajhtiredwolf> right
[07:00] <oobe> you can transcode nuv files to dvix xvid avi files using nuvexport
[07:01] <oobe> there is a great howto for that on ubuntuforums
[07:01] <ajhtiredwolf> yeah but that has to be  done manually
[07:01] <oobe> correct
[07:01] <ajhtiredwolf> my hope was that the recorded episodes would be made into divx automatically and then be saved in the sahred folder on my ftp
[07:01] <oobe> but it depends on how you watch your recordings
[07:02] <oobe> no i have a remote frontend i have no need to export my nuv files
[07:02] <oobe> as my fe box is plugged into the big tv
[07:02] <ajhtiredwolf> btw what is fe stand for?
[07:02] <ajhtiredwolf> oh
[07:02] <ajhtiredwolf> front end
[07:02] <oobe> yeah
[07:02] <ajhtiredwolf> haha sorry i m a little spacy right now
[07:02] <oobe> thats cool
[07:02] <oobe> dont get addicted to your meds :P
[07:02] <ajhtiredwolf> haha, no chance there
[07:02] <ajhtiredwolf> im just in a hell of allot of pain right now
[07:03] <oobe> thats cool
[07:03] <ajhtiredwolf> well not right now
[07:03] <ajhtiredwolf> because im on them lol
[07:03] <ajhtiredwolf> i tired to not take them today, to see how i woulod do
[07:03] <ajhtiredwolf> yeah, im not quite ready teo stop yet haha
[07:03] <ajhtiredwolf> I had all four wisdom teeth pulled out, and two of them were ubstructed, so they had to drille thorugh my jaw
[07:03] <ajhtiredwolf> hurt like a mother ******
[07:04] <oobe> i bet
[07:04] <oobe> i need some dental work
[07:04] <oobe> but i can afford it
[07:04] <ajhtiredwolf> so you have the machine hooked up to a big tv?
[07:04] <oobe> yeah
[07:05] <ajhtiredwolf> i hear that,... I dont have dental insurance, but i got financed i have a ayear to pay it off
[07:05] <ajhtiredwolf> will be around 125$ a month
[07:05] <ajhtiredwolf> not too cheap
[07:05] <oobe> no
[07:05] <ajhtiredwolf> but it was either that
[07:05] <ajhtiredwolf> or live with the constant pain, it became a little too much though
[07:05] <ajhtiredwolf> i work in a call center, im a bill collector, so using my mouth is kinda important
[07:06] <ajhtiredwolf> and it was killing me
[07:06] <ajhtiredwolf> i have to point out im working there to pay my way thorugh school, most people figure im a slacker when tehy hear i work in a call center hah
[07:06] <ajhtiredwolf> btw whats your name oobe?
[07:07] <oobe> kemble
[07:07] <ajhtiredwolf> aaron, pleased to meet you, ive met some great people i nthe ubuntu portions of linux hah
[07:07] <ajhtiredwolf> its relally different from other places, most of the linux irc places are so incredibly unfriendly its impossible to say anything without being torn to shreds
[07:08] <oobe> yeah i think i know what you mean
[07:08] <ajhtiredwolf> have you ever been in #mythtv ?
[07:08] <oobe> i have been around a few years prior to using ubuntu
[07:09] <oobe> #mythtv is for developers
[07:09] <ajhtiredwolf> #mythtv-users i mean
[07:09] <oobe> they dont support mythtv there
[07:09] <oobe> yeah i have
[07:09] <ajhtiredwolf> yeah I used fedora a few years ago
[07:09] <ajhtiredwolf> ive been in there twice.. and flipping a, that is probably the worst one ive been in
[07:10] <oobe> somtimes i get what i need
[07:10] <oobe> other times they tell me what i want to do is impossible
[07:10] <ajhtiredwolf> asking a question i nt here is basically like jumping infront of half a dozzen rifle men looking for target practice
[07:10] <oobe> then i end up proving them wrong
[07:10] <oobe> yeah they can be rude or sarcastic
[07:10] <ajhtiredwolf> when i mentinoed that i used ubuntu in there they basically told me to buzz off
[07:11] <ajhtiredwolf> with a bit more colorful language hah
[07:11] <oobe> i think you need to keep things mythtv specific thats all
[07:11] <oobe> like if you have mythbuntu installed and you are trying to solve a network issue they wont consider it mythtv related
[07:12] <ajhtiredwolf> hmm i suppose not, there problem seemd to be with the fact that i was using ubuntu though
[07:12] <ajhtiredwolf> they wennt on about how ubuntu users are all a bunch of noobs that dont belong in linux hah
[07:16] <oobe> well that is kinda of true in one way cause its very easy to install and configure
[07:16] <oobe> so it attracts noobs cause its popular and easy to use
[07:16] <oobe> but that doesnt mean its not a great os
[07:16] <ajhtiredwolf> eh, well sure, but attracting more people is good isnt it? brings more potential deveolopers into the game and helps linux grow
[07:16] <oobe> or that people learning dont deserve respect
[07:17] <oobe> ajhtiredwolf, yes
[07:17] <oobe> i think that its only a good thing
[07:17] <ajhtiredwolf> ah i dont feel like i need respect, its just too bad they cant treat others politely
[07:17] <oobe> and that people should not be discouraged
[07:18] <ajhtiredwolf> I tihnk that ubunut open the door to making linux available to more than ust the hobbiest
[07:19] <oobe> well i think it always was open to that
[07:19] <oobe> i mean i have used linux since 2002
[07:19] <oobe> and it was still a great server then
[07:19] <ajhtiredwolf> but are you not a hobbiest? :p
[07:20] <oobe> well i dont do it for a living
[07:20] <oobe> but i dont need windows for anything
[07:20] <ajhtiredwolf> what i mean is, you are more expert in computers than the average folk
[07:20] <oobe> my point was linux has its place in commercial enterprises for a long time
[07:21] <ajhtiredwolf> ubuntu is can be used by more than just the computer advanced, they use it in my university allot to
[07:21] <oobe> yes its very easy to install and use
[07:21] <oobe> i have seen people who have never used linux before setup pcs with ubuntu very well
[07:22] <ajhtiredwolf> yeah, it still has a ways to go though
[07:22] <ajhtiredwolf> before its about as easy as windows is
[07:22] <ajhtiredwolf> or more importantly mac
[07:23] <oobe> i dont think so really
[07:23] <ajhtiredwolf>  just my opinion
[07:23] <oobe> its just that people who use linux/ubuntu for the first time are already used to windows
[07:23] <ajhtiredwolf> well you still have to use the terminal allot even in ubuntu
[07:23] <oobe> if someone who had never used a computer b4 used ubuntu they would pick it up as fast as windows
[07:24] <ajhtiredwolf> and what people are used to now is pure gui
[07:24] <oobe> i used to use dos a lot in windows
[07:24] <ajhtiredwolf> yeah but that isnt the wayt it is going now
[07:24] <oobe> i know what you are saying
[07:24] <ajhtiredwolf> and mac is taking it a step futher withh touch interfaces
[07:24] <oobe> but there is a gui equivalent in linux for most admin tasks
[07:25] <ajhtiredwolf> but its not qutie as intuitive
[07:25] <oobe> but i usually find it easier to tell people how to use the console
[07:25] <oobe> im gonna watch some wsop now
[07:25] <oobe> i will ttyl
[07:26] <ajhtiredwolf> alright man, good to meet you, take it easy
[07:26] <oobe> nice to meet you aaron
[10:45] <gpd> I had a disk failure and lost /home.
[10:46] <gpd> I setup using mythbuntu-control-panel - to auto login and stat mythbuntu session - but it just comes up with a standard XFCE desktop and doesn't run mythfrontend
[10:46] <gpd> my .dmrc file is ok - now lost as to how to fix.
[10:55] <gnoshi> Hi - how does one enable XDMCP in mythbuntu? For ubuntu, you'd use the 'login screen setup' in administration, but it is not present in mythbuntu. Cheers.
[11:02] <gnoshi> hmm. Or maybe it is already running - excuse me one moment while I investigate.
[11:08] <gnoshi> Sorry, I just discovered I don't need to run XDMCP - using Xming I can go through plink, which seemingly avoids the need to run XDMCP (that, or it is already running).
[11:57] <Gluko> is there a way to change the dvd format of mytharchive from udf to iso9660?
[13:56] <killerbeesateme> Hello everyone, does anyone have a few to help point me in the right direction?  I have a secondary backend with a tuner that doesn't want to stream to frontends.
[14:30] <killerbeesateme> Hello everyone, does anyone have a few to help point me in the right direction?  I have a secondary backend with a tuner that doesn't want to stream to frontends.
[18:34] <adnc> hello, i unfortunately set a very low display resolution on my settings. i need to set it back , but i cant my mouse doesnt move to the rest of the screen, is it possible to move via the arrow keys somehow?
[19:14] <directhex> adnc, generally, tab moves to the next field. alt-n to go to next page.
[20:58] <leprasmurf> Hello all....perhaps it's my sleep deprived insanity kicking in, but I'm going a little more crazy trying to setup LIRC in mythbuntu using an ir blaster and a streamzap receiver (the remote I'm actually using with this receiver is a universal remote)
[20:59] <leprasmurf> currently, it seems like my lirc daemon is only setup for the irblaster, despite having setup both in the mythbuntu control center... and irw is not displaying any data when I attempt to press random buttons
[20:59] <leprasmurf> the ir blaster will light up, but something has to be off, as it's not giving any signal to the box
[20:59] <leprasmurf> can anyone help me out?
[21:01] <CRXLPY> why does mytharchive not tell me how much space the recordings I have selected will take up? The scale on the righthand side never shows anything. I have spent a day waiting for iso's to be made only to find that I cant use them and need to start over
[21:01] <leprasmurf> how large/long is the file you're trying to archive?
[21:02] <CRXLPY> several small (100-250MB)
[21:03] <CRXLPY> does the scale just not work and I should pretend it isnt there?
[21:03] <leprasmurf> so you're trying to archive video files?  I'm no expert, but that might cause a problem.  I've only tried to archive recordings.
[21:03] <CRXLPY> no, recordings are what I have
[21:03] <CRXLPY> tv
[21:04] <leprasmurf> are they still in MPEG 2?
[21:04] <CRXLPY> making a dvd, not an archive
[21:04] <CRXLPY> does the scale work for you?
[21:04] <leprasmurf> my system is a bit crippled now, so I can't do much of anything
[21:05] <CRXLPY> did the scale work for you?
[21:05] <leprasmurf> but whne I've used it in the past, with tv shows, the scale worked fine
[21:05] <leprasmurf> I had to transcode the shows to the EP and I could fit 4-5 hour long shows
[21:07] <CRXLPY> did you transcode the files to remove commecials first, then go to mytharchive?
[21:07] <leprasmurf> no
[21:07] <CRXLPY> so you removed commerecials from within mytharchive?
[21:07] <leprasmurf> I think (and, again I'm no expert) but if you create a cutlist, archive will automatically snip those parts
[21:08] <CRXLPY> I did not find that to be the case, but I guess I probly did it wrong
[21:08] <leprasmurf> and I'm wondering if mytharchive is capable of handling space usage with transcoded files.
[21:09] <CRXLPY> I transcode b4 mytharchive because I am putting alot of ep's on each cd so I have a dir full of recordings
[21:09] <leprasmurf> with the recordings being mpeg2, mytharchive may just transcode to a lower setting (or direct copy) since (most)commercial dvd players require MPEG 2
[21:09] <CRXLPY> dvd = mpeg2
[21:10] <leprasmurf> I don't doubt it could work, but that might be why the scale doesn't work
[21:10] <leprasmurf> yes
[21:10] <CRXLPY> If I knew how much space the menu takes up then I might be able to do it
[21:11] <leprasmurf> that, I couldn't answer, though I imagine the Menu and the images themselves aren't that much.
[21:11] <leprasmurf> I just wonder if mytharchive is trying to reencode them to MPEG2 and that's why #1 it takes all day and #2 you run out of room quickly
[21:13] <leprasmurf> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=741935 - sounds like a similar situation
[21:13] <leprasmurf> are you selecting "Don't Re-encode"?
[21:14] <CRXLPY> I use the simple menu, just a list of files, no chapt or preview
[21:17] <CRXLPY> I will try with dont re-encode. I have usually left it at the default of sp
[21:17] <leprasmurf> it probably won't show the status bar still, but that *should* let you export it to DVD
[21:17] <CRXLPY> I can just select less ep's too
[21:17] <leprasmurf> keep in mind, unless your dvd player is specially designed / equipped to play xvid, any dvd you burn with "Don't re-encode" will not work
[21:18] <leprasmurf> how many files are you trying to put in there?
[21:20] <CRXLPY> now that I have the files set to "dont re-encode" it shows up on the scale!
[21:20] <leprasmurf> cool
[21:20] <CRXLPY> but, I cant use it
[21:20] <leprasmurf> huh?
[21:20] <CRXLPY> cuz I am burning them as dvd's so they will play w/o needing to check
[21:21] <CRXLPY> so I need to undo all this
[21:22] <CRXLPY> I am glad you mentioned the xvid caveat
[21:22] <CRXLPY> now I wont make a bunch of coasters
[21:22] <CRXLPY> this is so frikkin tedious
[21:24] <CRXLPY> I need to check my transcoder settings, I must be changing them to mp4. I need to keep them mp2 so they are more dvd freindly
[21:27] <CRXLPY> yup, my most used transcoder was set to mp4. changed it to lossless
[21:28] <leprasmurf> yeah, just keep in mind, the mp2 takes alot more room
[21:29] <leprasmurf> with my setup, mpeg 2 takes about 1 gig / hour or 1.5 hours
[21:29] <leprasmurf> whereas mpeg 4 takes about 200 megs / hour
[21:29] <leprasmurf> all depending on your quality settings of course
[21:35] <CRXLPY> yeah, maybe I will just leave it all alone and just select less eps
[21:37] <CRXLPY> of course now it is hung cuz I tried changing things while a dvd creation was in progress
[21:37] <CRXLPY> grrrrrrr
[21:38] <leprasmurf> heh
[23:37] <||ChAoS||> anyone around that might be able to provide some directon on following steps to fix a NForce2 audio driver issue,.. I have a article that should fix it but I cant do some steps due to not having the full ubuntu UI/control panel.  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=30076  I cant do steps 2 and 4
[23:39] <rothgar_> is anyone else using the 8.10 rc? I just installed it this weekend and I can't watch live TV


[11:24] <penguin42> https://mastodon.org.uk/system/cache/media_attachments/files/108/503/824/191/020/390/original/0197f59b6cc897d4.png
[13:37] <zxmpi> wonder when they're gonna get around to fixing the bugs mentioned :-P
[13:42] <penguin42> sooon
[13:44] <zxmpi> still staggering to think it's nearly 40 years old and still in daily use
[13:44] <penguin42> nod
[13:46]  * penguin42 has probably been using it daily for ~30 years
[14:19] <davef> Haven't most distros now gone over to the new hotness known as Wayland?
[14:27]  * penguin42 still needs to find a lightweight wayland desktop
[17:02] <zxmpi> boot a normal distro and then kill everything that isn't wayland? :-P
[17:11] <penguin42> I just want a DE that feels like xfce though
[17:11] <zxmpi> have you tried win2000? :-P
[17:12] <penguin42> oooh
[21:04] <daftykins> \o
[21:08] <daftykins> discount Magnums obtained!
[21:15] <zxmpi> ooooooh
[21:15] <diddledani> are they on discount because the hot weather is gone?
[21:16] <daftykins> hah nah, i think they were discounted then too, but cleaned out
[21:46] <davef> right you lot, you better have tea and jaffa cakes at the ready.. i'm visiting in august
[21:48] <daftykins> we might be able to leave a few out!
[22:36] <daftykins> https://lagplorer.tms.sx/
[23:44] <daftykins> mmm almond magnum


 Netflix does, unfortunately, require DRM support on the browser's side, I believe. I know personally that Google Chrome will work.
[00:30] <maxcell_> i'm trying with Chrome and Firefox with DRM active
[00:30] <maxcell_> but it doesn't run, it gives an "Unexpected error"
[00:31] <maxcell_> i did a simple install of Kubuntu, without openoffice, multimedia and stuff
[00:31] <keithzg[m]> Very strange. You've made sure to try with extensions disabled, ex. in incognito mode?
[00:31] <maxcell_> i will try it now
[00:32] <maxcell_> doesn't work
[00:33] <maxcell_> it knows i'm on anonymous mode and gives me an error
[00:33] <maxcell_> i will disable all extensions and try again
[00:34] <maxcell_> oh my God
[00:34] <maxcell_> keithzg[m]: it worked
[00:34] <maxcell_> i can't believe
[00:36] <keithzg[m]> Oho!
[00:38] <maxcell_> seems like Netflix HD (enable full hd videos in browser on linux) are blocked
[07:33] <lordievader> Good morning
[11:33] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[13:11] <godzirra> Hey guys.  I'm running kubuntu 18.10, and I'm trying to get my apple trackpad 2 working with multitouch.  Everything I'm reading seems to say that it should do basic multitouch out of the box, but I can't seem to get it to do two finger scrolling or anything else.  How can I test multitouch for sure, and if it's not working, how can I fix it?
[13:22] <hateball> I think there is something about how some touchpads dont play nice with libinput and you need to switch to evdev
[13:22] <hateball> also, is this under X.org or Wayland?
[13:43] <godzirra> hateball: It's whatever's default.  I haven't changed from one to the other.  Which -is- default?
[13:48] <godzirra> Looks like xorg
[13:51] <godzirra> hateball: Do I ust add xserver-xorg-input-evdev and remove xserver-xorg-input-libinput?
[14:00] <hateball> godzirra: I think so
[14:00] <hateball> godzirra: I just remember reading about this stuff, havent actually had to do it myself
[14:01] <godzirra> So apparently xserver-xorg-input-evdev is installed by default.  I just have to figure out how to load that instead of libinput (assuming that's what's loaded)
[14:02] <hateball> godzirra: or maybe it was https://askubuntu.com/questions/1031940/how-to-switch-from-libinput-to-synaptics-in-ubuntu-18-04
[14:03] <godzirra> lol
[14:03] <godzirra> ok
[14:03] <hateball> sorry for not having a definite answer :p
[14:03] <hateball> hard to remember problems I havent had to solve myself
[14:03] <godzirra> No worries... Gives me something to try at least. :)
[17:11] <diogenes_> Velizar Peshev, go to windows
[17:11] <diogenes_> disable fast start
[17:11] <diogenes_> reboot to linux
[17:18] <diogenes_> Velizar Peshev then just simply from windows reboot into linux, also look in bios for fast boot
[17:18] <diogenes_> disable that too
[17:18] <diogenes_> here is how to disable it on win 10: https://www.windowscentral.com/how-disable-windows-10-fast-startup
[17:19] <diogenes_> nice
[17:53] <genii> Also disable Windows hibernate and suspend, and delte hiberfil.sys
 Any clues when to expect Plasma 5.12.7 for Kubuntu 18.04? … It has been released 2018-09-25 but still no update in LTS.
 @TaurohtaRR, needs testers to validate the updates: LP: #1794494


[02:47] <uxfi> Hwo do I change the username of Ubuntu server?
[02:47] <uxfi> To change username (it is probably best to do this without being logged in):
[02:47] <uxfi> Hwo do I do that if I am logged in?
[02:48] <sarnold> changing usernames is hard
[02:48] <sarnold> far easier is to create a new user with the name, group memberships, etc., that you want
[02:58] <uxfi> I get this message
[02:58] <uxfi> usermod: user mitraj is currently used by process 1861
[03:00] <uxfi> what do I do?
[03:00] <bigjazzsound> uxfi: the user will have to not have any processes running to change the name
[03:01] <uxfi> ah
[03:01] <uxfi> bigjazzsound how do I do that?
[03:03] <bigjazzsound> uxfi: you can do something like `ps aux | grep username`. Check the processes that are running under that user. The do `kill processid` to kill them off.
[03:03] <uxfi> ok
[03:03] <bigjazzsound> uxfi: some of the processes might be inadvisable to kill, which is why sarnold suggested to make a new user instead with the same permissions, groups, etc
[03:03] <uxfi> right
[03:03] <uxfi> like SSH
[03:04] <bigjazzsound> Exactly
[03:04] <uxfi> so I should make a new user i guess?
[03:04] <uxfi> bigjazzsound  well actaully if I can change the name without needing to make a new user is htat possible?
[03:05] <sarnold> the thing is it's more than just changing /etc/shadow /etc/passwd and their home directory -- you may need to modify mail spool names, crontab names, maybe atd names, etc
[03:05] <bigjazzsound> uxfi: then you run into the issue with processes running under that user, no?
[03:06] <sarnold> if you've set up any per-user access controls on databases then those too
[03:06] <sarnold> etc
[03:06] <uxfi> bigjazzsound  which isnt many
[03:06] <uxfi> jsut ZNC
[03:06] <uxfi> and systemd
[03:08] <uxfi> bigjazzsound  ill make a new user
[03:09] <bigjazzsound> Sorry I could not be of much help here
[03:10] <uxfi> its ok bigjazzsound
[03:11] <uxfi> i dont want ot lsoe ZNC settings but I can rengegerate them
[03:11] <sarnold> you can of course move the data by hand..
[03:12] <bigjazzsound> creating a new user and moving the stuff you need might not be a huge deal
[03:12] <bigjazzsound> ^^
[03:13] <uxfi> ah
[03:13] <uxfi> I forget where it is stored hmm
[03:21] <keithzg> Well, I must admit to being very confused. Migrated a very old conf to a new server, and I have postfix-pcre installed, but I'm still getting "warning: pcre:/etc/postfix/header_checks is unavailable. unsupported dictionary type: pcre"
[03:22] <sarnold> keithzg: check output of dpkg -l '*pcre*' and make usre it makes sense
[03:23] <keithzg> sarnold: only installed packages look to be libpcre3 and postfix-pcre
[03:25] <uxfi> ok nwo i gave the temeproary account sudo access can I delete  the origianl one?
[03:25] <sarnold> keithzg: then i'm out of ideas..
[03:25] <uxfi> ok now i gave the temeproary account sudo access can I delete  the origianl one???
[03:25] <sarnold> uxfi: (a) test the new account first (b) make sure you copied over -everything- from the original that you want to keep. if youv'e done that then go ahead.
[03:26] <uxfi> I did sarnold  I think
[03:26] <uxfi> I tested sudo su
[03:26] <uxfi> I tested sudo apt-get update
[03:26] <uxfi> seems to work
[03:26] <uxfi> I dont have anything in the user folder sarnold the only important thign I ahve is ZNC settings
[03:26] <uxfi> sarnold also myw ebsite stuff for some reason its not letting me access /var/www? is there a reason?
[03:26] <uxfi> and also will I lose mysql install?
[03:29] <sarnold> uxfi: what permissions did you set on /var/www? if you changed owner or set acls you may need to do that again
[03:29] <sarnold> uxfi: and probably not lose mysql but if your useraccount had privileges within the mysql database that other users didn't have you may need to redo that too
[03:29] <uxfi> I forget what permissions
[03:29] <uxfi> sarnold but I made a copy of my /var/www anwyays
[03:30] <uxfi> bash: cd: /var/www/: Permission denied
[03:30] <sarnold> check with something like find /var/www -ls
[03:30] <uxfi> hmmm
[03:31] <uxfi> bash: /var/www/: Is a directory
[03:31] <uxfi> sarnold
[03:31] <uxfi> got any ideas?
[03:31] <sarnold> uxfi: namei -l /var/www/htdocs
[03:32] <uxfi> ah
[03:32] <uxfi> mitraj owns that sarnold  the root user
[03:32] <uxfi> the account im trying to delete
[03:33] <uxfi> sarnold https://i.imgur.com/QoHJ4ln.png
[03:33] <sarnold> uxfi: aha, then you'll want to chown /var/www and subdirs to the new user
[03:33] <uxfi> ah
[03:34] <uxfi> a1berto so log into the old account?
[03:34] <uxfi> oops
[03:35] <uxfi> sarnold  chown what? chown 770 or?
[03:35] <sarnold> chown -R newmitraj /var/www
[03:36] <sarnold> time ot make dinner :) have fun uxfi
[03:36] <uxfi> ah
[03:37] <uxfi> what is newmitraj vaishali ?
[03:37] <uxfi> sarnold ?
[03:39] <keithzg> sarnold: honestly the header checks are the smallest part of my postfix conf so I've just disabled that for now, heh. Frankly a bit astonished that this config, which was set up on a *Trustix* server until today, is even working! :D
[03:42] <uxfi> am I doing this right?
[03:42] <uxfi> what od I do to take contro of my directory when I make a new account?
[03:43] <uxfi> ah nvm
[03:43] <uxfi> got it
[03:44] <uxfi> Question when I delete a account from  Ubuntu (the original admin account) and make a new account will I still get the default ifnormation when I log in (Packages need to be updateD) ?
[03:57] <uxfi> Question when I delete a account from  Ubuntu (the original admin account) and make a new account will I still get the default ifnormation when I log in (Packages need to be updateD) ?
[05:28] <uxfi> here we go
[05:28] <cpaelzer> good morning
[05:32] <uxfi> :D
[05:32] <uxfi> wooo
[07:46] <jamespage> mwhahaha: I've pushed 4.1.1 to updates, but I think that magnum problem might be related to the newer sqlalchemy
[07:46] <jamespage> this is a bit of a problem for projects which are not following the main release cadence for Openstack
[07:46] <blueking> dpkg: feil: dpkg-statusdatabase is locked by another process. / N: Fila «50unattended-upgrades.ucf-dist» in map «/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/» are ignored, because of not guilty file end. / E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)
[07:46] <blueking> what I do ?
[08:00] <cpaelzer> blueking: it seems your message is shortened
[08:01] <blueking> it was in norwegian had to translate
[08:01] <cpaelzer> blueking: the message "not guilty file end" reads odd - but in general anything that is not .list in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d is ignored
[08:01] <cpaelzer> ah fine then blueking
[08:02] <cpaelzer> so the message tells you that this file is ignored - the ending "ucf-dist" suggests on which upgrade it was disabled
[08:02] <blueking> yes
[08:02] <cpaelzer> as upgrades usually invalidate old PPA/apt.conf setups they renae them
[08:03] <cpaelzer> The other message about dpdk DB being locked is usually another process installing/updating something at the same time
[08:03] <blueking> dpkg: fail/error: dpkg-statusdatabase is locked by another process
[08:03] <cpaelzer> so if you in a console wrestled with packages, but the auto-updater triggered that might occur (not sure if it has collision detection in unattaneded upgrades)
[08:04] <blueking> I did 14.04 -> 16.04 distro upgrade.. a few apt upgrades later, the last two I have had this dpkg error
[08:05] <cpaelzer> so your real issue is the locking then, just to close the ucd-dist here a reference if you want more on that https://askubuntu.com/questions/829370/n-ignoring-file-50unattended-upgrades-ucf-dist-in-directory-etc-apt-apt-con
[08:05] <cpaelzer> blueking: I think one can check and force to unlock - let me look if I find what I think I remember :-)
[08:05] <blueking> I'll look into that :)  TY :)
[08:07] <cpaelzer> blueking: for the locked dpkg it could be an aborted upgrade (aborted harder than ususal to cause this)
[08:07] <cpaelzer> blueking: please follow this https://askubuntu.com/questions/219545/dpkg-error-dpkg-status-database-is-locked-by-another-process
[08:07] <cpaelzer> blueking: and let us know if it helps
[08:09] <blueking> hmm lock file empty ?
[08:11] <blueking> ok I deleted lock file and that part gone
[08:11] <blueking> about dpkg locked by another process
[08:13] <blueking> ok error gone  deleted 50unattended-upgrades-ucf-dist
[08:14] <cpaelzer> blueking: did you check if there was a process still holding it?
[08:16] <blueking> yes was none process
[08:16] <blueking> checked with lsof
[08:16] <cpaelzer> ok good
[08:16] <blueking> lock file was empty
[08:16] <cpaelzer> blueking: now does a new update work now?
[08:16] <blueking> yes
[08:16] <cpaelzer> great
[08:16] <blueking> good to have zero errors :)
[08:16] <cpaelzer> "flott"
[08:17] <blueking> norwegian ?
[08:17] <cpaelzer> no trying to go intercultural with google translate, but I'd have got the meaning of "flott" in german as well :-)
[08:20] <blueking> ah I see :)
[08:20] <blueking> 'flott' not youth language :P
[09:33] <cpaelzer> rbasak: if you are on SRUs today could you take a look on the reasoning why trusty isn't through unapproved on bug 1690730?
[09:35] <rbasak> cpaelzer: probably worth checking with bdmurray (not here right now).
[09:36] <rbasak> cpaelzer: FWIW, in the SRU procedure as a deviation from the norm we mark "in unapproved" as In Progress and only Fix Committed once accepted.
[09:36] <rbasak> cpaelzer: from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Procedure
[09:36] <rbasak> cpaelzer: so perhaps he missed it for that reason?
[09:52] <lordievader[m]> Good morning
[09:55] <cpaelzer> rbasak: thanks I'll sned him a mail to avoid forgetting it
[13:41] <teward> my apologies for not being at the meeting yesterday
[13:42] <teward> rbasak: nacc: thoughts?  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NGINX/ReleaseNotes/Artful  (this is the 'current working draft'
[13:42] <teward> and i'm tired heh... *sips coffee*)
[14:15] <rbasak> teward: looks good. Thanks!
[14:18] <ahasenack> I have a systemd question, and it boils down to "how to disable a service from a package maintainer script (postinst)", considering that in debian/ubuntu by default if you install a service it will be started
[14:18] <ahasenack> and here is the current example: samba's samba.postinst: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/24644329/
[14:18] <ahasenack> the service in question is samba-ad-dc.service
[14:19] <ahasenack> it does a "ln -s /dev/null /etc/systemd/system/samba-ad-dc.service"
[14:19] <ahasenack> and via echo asks the user/admin to ignore an error that will show later on
[14:19] <ahasenack> is that the only way?
[14:21] <ahasenack> the error you get is just on screen, exit status is zero: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/24644378/
[14:39] <Ussat> So....anyone here have experiance setting up 802.1x port secrity on a wired network ?
[14:41] <teward> rbasak: you're welcome.  I wanted to write it *somewhere* so I just stuck it two levels underneath the NGINX page.  If we need to revise it, let me know, but if not we can use *that* as the release notes for Artful.
[14:41] <teward> for the nginx subsection.
[14:41] <teward> the full list of changes was *long* so I only grabbed a few of the pertinent points from the nginx blog post :P
[15:17] <jge> hey all, I have a network share mounted to an NFS mount point in Ubuntu but when I try to rsync files within that share I get permission denied
[15:18] <jge> even when I do sudo or use root user on the system
[15:18] <jge> would that be an indication of how that network share is being mounted
[15:19] <nacc> teward: will review today
[15:20] <arunpyasi_> Hi all
[15:20] <arunpyasi_> Can an ethernet connection be disconnected due to file download ?
[15:45] <teward> arunpyasi_: if the router or a proxy sends a connection termination signal, possibly.
[15:45] <teward> why?
[15:46] <TafThorne> If the download uses all of the available capacity on any part of the end-to-end link a network device might have to drop it.
[15:47] <TafThorne> As in it has to get a quart into a pint pot and your Ethernet connection might be part of the spillage.
[15:49] <TafThorne> jge: You get a permssions result for some odd cases in network shares and exports.  Do you have permission to write within the export at all on both ends of the link?
[15:56] <arunpyasi_> Hmm OK thanks !
[16:07] <nacc> jamespage: around?
[16:07] <jamespage>  nacc: yup
[16:08] <nacc> jamespage: coreycb mentioned syncing up with you to see if you had a chance to test openstack with the django in my PPA for LP: #1605278 (1.11 based)
[16:08] <jamespage> nacc: I have not - but lemme check in horizon (which would be the main impact point)
[16:08] <nacc> jamespage: thanks!
[16:09] <jamespage> nacc: Django<1.9,>=1.8 # BSD
[16:09] <jamespage> hmmm
[16:09] <nacc> jamespage: hrm, prior test was with 1.10.3 and worked (per c#12 in the above bug)
[16:12] <jamespage> nacc: I'll take a look and see
[16:12] <jamespage> nacc: the whole of openstack pike b1 is backed up in proposed atm which makes things tricker
[16:13] <nacc> jamespage: understood
[16:14] <nacc> jamespage: if you can put it on your probably already busy plate, i'd appreciate it :)
[16:15] <jamespage> nacc: gah - artful ain't to happy under lxd today...
[16:44] <teward> jamespage: it's not?  was working decently for me yesterday.  *spins a new container*
[16:52] <redvic> forgive me for asking this here since it might be off topic but can anybody recommend a web based open source accounting software for business that runs on ubuntu server or at least where i can find such info except google
[16:54] <teward> jamespage: seems to work fine for me under an LXD container, what're you testing?
[16:54] <teward> (under 'pure' LXD command line made by me)
[17:40] <redvic>  forgive me for asking this here since it might be off topic but can anybody recommend a web based open source accounting software for business that runs on ubuntu server or at least where i can find such info except google
[17:42] <ahasenack> redvic: sorry, have no idea
[17:43] <redvic> thx
[17:54] <sarnold> keithzg: _wow_, that's stability :) trustix all the way through to modern. impressive work from postfix team and your management efforts :D
[19:38] <paxatron4034> Anyone here with corosync knowledge? I have questions on using postgresql with corosync/pacemaker.
[19:40] <paxatron4034> \?
[19:41] <sarnold> paxatron4034: you may get better results with a 'concrete' question
[19:42] <mason> sarnold: Did you know that concrete was used as far back as ancient Rome?
[19:42] <mason> FWIW: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_concrete
[19:43] <sarnold> mason: crazy. I guess it makes sense that our accomplishments are built onthe knowledge and experience of previous generations but you just sort of assume that olden times were insanely primitive, right?
[19:44] <paxatron4034> @sarnold well. I am running postgresql as a resource in corosync. and there is a monitor process that kicks off every few seconds to see if postgresql is alive (it runs a select now). My immediate conserning is that it is generating alot of logs in auth.log, and I am wondering of this is normal behavior https://pastebin.com/UnR3tBdi
[19:45] <sarnold> paxatron4034: eww, i'm surprised they don't re-use a single long-lived process
[19:45] <sarnold> paxatron4034: quite often 'large' deployments will shuttle logs to a centralized log server, reducing the impact of logging on disk IO on the individual servers
[19:48] <paxatron4034> \r sarnold okay, but is this normal behavior for postgresql corosync resource?
[19:49] <sarnold> paxatron4034: probably
[19:54] <paxatron4034> sarnold: thanks
[19:55] <sarnold> paxatron4034: itm ight be worth a report to the project to let them know the logspam is annoying :) maybe they'd be willing to re-do the test..
[19:55] <sarnold> or maybe that's just the way their tests work out.
[20:10] <henk717> Hello everyone, i updated the packages on my Ubunu Server 14.04 yesterday and now i am experiencing some of my cron.d jobs no longer running. Can someone help me diagnose this issue?
[20:34] <nacc> henk717: are you able to determine which packages were updated?
[20:36] <nacc> smoser: ping
[20:36] <mason> nacc, henk717: Does 14.04 have /var/log/apt/history.log ?
[20:36] <mason> That might help.
[20:37] <nacc> mason: yeah, i believe it should
[20:37] <mason> Ah, looks like it should be.
[20:37] <nacc> mason: if not the dpkg log would
[20:37] <henk717> It was a huge list, the server was quite behind on updates
[20:38] <henk717> Another server of mine runs on 16.04 with slightly newer packages and has no issues
[20:38] <henk717> The cron jobs can run if i run them by hand
[20:38] <henk717> They do not get automatically executed
[20:38] <nacc> henk717: do you have an example cron entry that fails?
[20:39] <nacc> henk717: also, do you get an e-mail about any errors
[20:39] <henk717> Yes, i do it seems to be one entire file. No errors are present in the logs as far as i have seen.
[20:39] <nacc> henk717: well, it often won't be logged, but if there was an error, I believe root (or the configured user for cron mails) will receive one locally
[20:39] <nacc> henk717: but it soudns like, it's not failing, it's just not even running?
[20:40] <nacc> henk717: which file?
[20:41] <henk717> It looks like it is not even running indeed, cron runs though and some other cron jobs did ran
[20:41] <henk717> File is /etc/cron.d/overwatch which contents i am currently posting on pastebin for you to see
[20:43] <henk717> https://pastebin.com/GUE1704S
[20:43] <nacc> um, i don't think you can have users in the crontab like that
[20:43] <henk717> It always worked
[20:44] <henk717> The same file runs perfectly on a 16.04 machine
[20:44] <nacc> only /etc/crontab (I believe) supports that format (per `man 5 crontab`
[20:45] <henk717> It would be quite specific if the lower version handles this fine and the higher version handles it fine
[20:45] <smoser> nacc, here.
[20:45] <teward> nacc: the system /etc/crontab can have user definitions
[20:45] <teward> user level crontabs can't
[20:45] <teward> and user level crontabs are *usually* how you do things
[20:46] <nacc> smoser: hey, wanted to bounce something off you about the git tooling, if you have a minute for a HO?
[20:46] <nacc> teward: right, what i said -- but is /etc/cron.d/* a 'system' crontab?
[20:46] <henk717> In my experience it has been
[20:46] <smoser> sure
[20:46] <teward> nacc: yes.
[20:47] <nacc> henk717: ah ok, it is considered the same, sorry
[20:47] <henk717> nacc: No problem, i apprechiate you thinking along
[20:47] <henk717> Fact remains its a proven cron setup prior to the update which runs on a newer cron version as well
[20:47] <teward> nacc: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24647476/ <- example, from mdadm's automatic crontab it installs
[20:47] <nacc> teward: yep, i'm seeing that now
[20:50] <henk717> What makes the issue more difficult is that there is no error anywhere to be seen, and i can run any of the scripts manually without any failure
[21:21] <nacc> henk717: i'm not sure how to debug it. I would start with adding a new crontab at the same level, with a test cronjob and see if it triggers. Then start adding lines from the non-working to the test one and see when/if it breaks
[21:25] <henk717> nacc: Currently planning to upgrade to 16.04 if there isn't to much risk involved
[21:26] <nacc> smoser: re: LP: #1569925, I think one of the two iscsi services is supposed to kill all sessions on shutdown
[21:26] <nacc> smoser: so if that's not happening, probably that's what needs debugging
[22:04] <keithzg> sarnold: Yeah, Trustix to Ubuntu 16.04; I'm even more impressed now with the Postfix folks than I already was!
[22:04] <sarnold> :D
[22:38] <henk717> Got good news and i got bad news, the upgrade to 16.04 was succesfull. Bad news is cron is still doing the same thing.
[22:39] <nacc> henk717: seems highlgy likely , if there is an identically configured server somewhere else at the same rev, that something else is going on :)
[22:40] <henk717> Got more good news
[22:40] <henk717> 16.04's cron dumps errors
[22:40] <henk717> The newer versions didn't like the fact the reboot line had no user specified
[22:40] <henk717> Its all fixed now :D
[22:40] <nacc> henk717: probably that was required on 14.04 too
[22:41] <nacc> ?
[22:41] <henk717> On the new cron, yes totally
[22:41] <henk717> But it threw no error
[22:41] <henk717> On the old cron the line likely just got ignored
[22:41] <nacc> right, i'm saying that there is probably an improvement to be made to the error handling, but that might be why they weren't running
[22:41] <nacc> the crontab failed to parse
[22:49] <henk717> The improvement is already made apparently, its just not in the 14.04 version since its out of support
[22:53] <nacc> henk717: hrm? 14.04 is still supported
[22:53] <nacc> henk717: perhaps file a bug, or see if one already exist
[23:45] <keithzg> Hmm, trying to set up a UEFI-capable PXE boot largely via https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UEFI/PXE-netboot-install, but on the (very new and high end!) PC I'm trying it on I'm getting the Intel Boot Agent throwing a fit, complaining "PXE-E79: NBP is too big to fit in free base memory" before it can even load the Grub menu.
[23:46] <keithzg> Any easy way to chainload into Grub for that?


[03:40] <StevenK> wgrant: Oooh, when do I get to see this BFJO destruction?
[03:50] <wgrant> StevenK: Where did you discover that?
[03:50] <wgrant> Oh, dbpatches I guess.
[03:50] <StevenK> Yeah
[05:15] <lifeless> no shock and awe here :)
[22:14] <xnox> Hm, my page https://launchpad.net/~xnox/+uploaded-packages is out of date.
[22:14] <xnox> unless it doesn't show stuff which is in -proposed at the moment.
[23:48] <wgrant> xnox: The script that updates that cached reporting data was backlogged. It's up to date now.


[03:04] <nigelb> Morning folks :)
[03:13] <doctormo> Hey nigelb, I have a new phone
[03:15] <nigelb> doctormo: w00t, what make?
[03:15] <pleia2> nigelb asks the boring questions, what *color* is it?
[03:15] <doctormo> nigelb: Samsung vibrant
[03:16] <nigelb> pleia2: HAHAHA
[03:16] <pleia2> those galaxy s phones look pretty slick
[03:16] <nigelb> Neat, android phone :)
[03:16] <nigelb> I realized its time I got one.
[03:17] <nigelb> Its nice to ssh from phone  :p
[03:17] <pleia2> yeah :)
[03:18] <nigelb> Never know when classroom needs help :)
[03:26] <doctormo> Well this one is pretty cool, best graphics chip of any on the market.
[03:27] <nigelb> I'm contemplating a sony xperia soon
[04:07] <akgraner> doctormo, don't you love it!
[04:07] <akgraner> I have the same phone and I love it!!!
[04:07] <akgraner> did I mention I love it
[04:08] <nigelb> about thrice, yes :p
[04:08] <vish> i/m finally closing in on the kernel bug! \o/
[04:08] <vish> i'm*
[04:08] <nigelb> vish: got your / and ' mixeeed up all day?
[04:08] <doctormo> akgraner: It's a nice phone, still getting used to it.
[04:08]  * doctormo goes back to watching avatar.
[04:08] <akgraner> on your phone?
[04:09] <akgraner> right
[04:17] <doctormo> yes ;)
[04:19] <vish> hmm, does lp not show kind changes?  like from file -> symlink
[04:30] <vish> alrighty, last kernel! and i can be sure where my bug is.. and bug JFo bout it ;p
[04:53] <JFo> :-/
[04:57] <vish> JFo¦ dont worry its not your fault :) , it is most likely this Ubuntu cherry-picked patch from airlie,  http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26302
[04:57] <ubot2> Freedesktop bug 26302 in Driver/Radeon "[M7 LW] desktop runs out of video memory on ATI Radeon Mobility 7500" [Major,New]
[04:57] <vish> its not accepted yet in mainline..
[04:58] <JFo> :-)
[05:24] <paultag> JFo, don't know if you caught this -- that bug with my netbook magic-ed away
[05:24] <paultag> JFo, thanks for being you :)
[05:24] <paultag> JFo, I closed out my report with details
[05:24] <JFo> I did see it, you were just away from IRC so my response went unseen :-)
[05:24] <paultag> JFo, :)
[05:25] <JFo> I'm glad it's fixed paultag :)
[05:25] <paultag> JFo, Me too, finally back on Ubuntu :)
[05:25] <JFo> heh, yep
[05:25] <paultag> I was having flashbacks, it was like I was in highschool all over again
[05:25] <JFo> oh dear
[05:25] <paultag> somethings never change in Debian :)
[05:26] <paultag> Anywho, I've killed off this cup of  tea, time for some sleep
[05:26] <paultag> 'night :)
[05:26] <JFo> same here
[05:26] <JFo> night paultag
[07:54] <dholbach> Good morning!
[08:00] <kim0> Good morning fellas
[08:05] <dholbach> heya kim0
[08:05] <dholbach> hey dpm
[08:05] <kim0> howdy dholbach dpm
[08:06] <dpm> good morning dholbach, good morning kim0
[08:06] <dpm> good morning everyone!
[09:01] <dpm> Daviey, nice article and nice picture :) http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/opinion/ubuntu-10-10-the-release-cycle-in-review%E2%80%A6/
[09:44] <Daviey> dpm: thanks :)
[09:46] <nigelb> morning all!
[09:47]  * nigelb o.O at Daviey's picture :P
[09:48] <nigelb> Morning all :)
[09:49] <Daviey> nigelb: that picture is about 2 and half years old.
[09:49] <nigelb> Daviey: Aha :)
[09:50] <Daviey> Infact, it was taken at FOSDEM 2008 with the lovely Becky Hogge, former open rights group honcho.
[09:50] <Daviey> http://org.daviey.com/
[09:51] <nigelb> Ah, the color version looks less Godfather-like
[10:33] <czajkowski> Goooooooooooooooooood MORNING
[10:42] <kim0> czajkowski: hehe morning :)
[10:45] <dpm> good morning nigelb and czajkowski
[11:06] <nigelb> Good morning czajkowski
[11:06] <nigelb> czajkowski: looks like its a really good morning :)
[11:06] <nigelb> Morning kim0 and dpm, having a good day?
[11:07] <dpm> nigelb, not, bad, not bad, and you?
[11:07] <kim0> nigelb: hey thanks .. how about you
[11:07] <nigelb> dpm: Almost 4 pm, looking forward to a quiet evening :)
[11:07] <dpm> nice :-)
[12:11] <duanedesign> morning all
[12:14]  * duanedesign cant decide what to work on today. Think i will write all my Todos on slips of paper and draw out of a hat :P
[12:34] <nigelb> duanedesign: good idea
[13:10]  * JFo investigates developing a 'virtual hat' to save us the effort of having to write before we can see out of both eyes
[13:10]  * JFo sips a cuppa
[13:14]  * nigelb hands JFo caffeine IV
[13:14] <JFo> heh, thanks nigelb
[13:16] <Pendulum> mmm... caffeine
[13:16]  * JFo goes for another cup
[13:19] <nigelb> Pendulum: None for you :)
[13:21] <Pendulum> nigelb: s'ok. i don't actually drink much caffeine :)
[13:24] <akgraner> Pendulum - akgraner is powered caffeine and stubbornness..
[13:24] <JFo> more of the latter than former
[13:24] <JFo> hmmm, thought that was my inside voice ;)
[13:25]  * JFo is powered by anger and hate
[13:25] <JFo> well, that isn't true
[13:25] <akgraner> JFo, you are not
[13:25] <JFo> :)
[13:25] <JFo> I know, it sounded funnier in my head
[13:25] <JFo> :)
[13:28] <dholbach> hey jono
[13:28] <jono> hey dholbach
[13:57] <nhandler> pleia2_: I just realized, I never said 'welcome back' to you yet ;) Welcome Back
[14:18] <nigelb> JFo is powered by beer, fish and chips, and the cake song
[14:18] <JFo> heh
[14:18] <nigelb> akgraner: ^^ ;)
[14:18] <JFo> beer, pie and that song
[14:18] <nigelb> HA!
[14:18] <JFo> fish-n-chpis I only eat in a lue moon
[14:18] <JFo> blue*
[14:22] <akgraner> JFo, I have 7 letters of the english alphabet you can rearrange this morning to figure the sentiment I am wishing you :-P
[14:23] <JFo> :-/
[14:29] <czajkowski> akgraner: not feeling the love over there are we
[14:31] <akgraner> czajkowski, hehe
[14:31] <czajkowski> bah no jono
[14:39] <jcastro> cjohnston: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+spec/community-n-loco-directory-plans
[14:39] <jcastro> what's up with this?
[14:39] <jcastro> czajkowski: he's off until thursday
[14:41] <czajkowski> ahhh
[14:41] <czajkowski> feck
[14:41] <czajkowski> thanks jcastro
[14:44] <czajkowski> jcastro: is the channel for the room Curacao 1+2  going to be Curacao 12  ??
[14:44] <jcastro> "12" is probably best
[14:44] <czajkowski> ok thanks
[14:45] <czajkowski> blog post coming
[14:45] <czajkowski> jcastro: one last annoying question I promise today, where is the link to where sessions are streamed?
[14:45] <jcastro> no clue
[14:45] <jcastro> it'll be in remote participation I thought
[14:47] <czajkowski> hmm all I can find is http://summit.ubuntu.com/media/lifestream.html
[14:48] <czajkowski> http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/
[14:48] <czajkowski> got it
[14:48] <Pendulum> jcastro: I think cjohnston is still off on his holiday. Maybe ask in -locoteams and Michael Hall might be able to help?
[14:49] <jcastro> I think only he can rename his own bp
[14:50] <Pendulum> ah, right. I couldn't tell if you were asking for it to be renamed or if you were more generally asking what it was
[14:51] <jcastro> czajkowski: http://uds.ubuntu.com/participate/remote/
[14:52] <AlanBell> do we know if the icecast server will be up in time for the keynote?
[14:53] <AlanBell> it is a critical component of http://ubingo.libertus.co.uk/
[14:54] <czajkowski> jcastro: http://www.lczajkowski.com/2010/10/19/how-to-remote-participate-at-uds-n-and-get-the-most-of-the-sessions/
[14:55] <jcastro> czajkowski: is anybody still using the track identica accounts?
[14:55] <jcastro> I would just tell people to follow #uds
[14:55] <sense> good afternoon
[14:55] <jcastro> also, I think jussi and them usually have the irc roomlist by now
[14:55] <jcastro> might want to ask
[14:56] <jussi> I havent yet created the rooms, but Im working on it, asked about the ilines today
[14:57] <czajkowski> jcastro: aye some do, problem is that tag isn't unique to us  so I tell folks to use both
[14:57] <AlanBell> http://summit.ubuntu.com/media/lifestream.html perhaps a little branding love and de-karmicisation could happen here
[14:57] <jcastro> czajkowski: uds-n perhaps?
[14:59] <czajkowski>  - dont appear in tags
[15:00]  * czajkowski loves the locoteams tag
[15:00] <czajkowski> it's ours :D
[15:01] <jcastro> Daviey: any idea why my roundtables aren't purple? See monday for example
[15:04] <Daviey> jcastro: one moment
[15:25] <Daviey> hmm... jcastro i see a purple roundtable
[15:25] <Daviey> on Monday
[15:25] <Daviey> for ubuntu the project
[15:25] <jcastro> oh dude
[15:26] <jcastro> it sorted itself
[15:26] <jcastro> I see, I must have scheduled it and then it ran and sorted it
[15:26] <jcastro> brillianty
[15:26] <Daviey> \o/
[15:55] <jcastro> duanedesign: I owe you much beer
[16:03] <JFo> dholbach, you want to see a photo? :)
[16:03] <dholbach> JFo, yes
[16:03] <JFo> dholbach, http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1682438420036&set=a.1109332452745.148164.1209840162
[16:03] <JFo> just came in today
[16:03] <dholbach> JFo, YEeeeeeehaw! :)
[16:03] <JFo> heh
[16:03]  * dholbach hugs JFo
[16:04] <JFo> I'm testing them before I pack them up
[16:04]  * JFo hugs dholbach
[16:04] <dholbach> excellent :)
[16:04] <JFo> this one sounds great
[16:04] <JFo> I'm assembling the other one
[16:04] <dholbach> good work
[16:04] <JFo> we may run out of real estate on the table though :-/
[16:04] <dholbach> we'll figure something out
[16:04] <JFo> these things are rather large
[16:04] <JFo> yeah
[16:04] <JFo> no worries
[16:05]  * dholbach rushes out for a lil bit - brb
[16:12] <nigelb> JFo: dammit!
[16:12] <JFo> ?
[16:12]  * nigelb won't be there :/
[16:13] <JFo> ah
[16:13] <JFo> well, that is ok, maybe next time
[16:13] <JFo> I hate that you can't be there, but what is there to do :-/
[16:13] <nigelb> I now have to figure out an excuse to be at home for a week
[16:14] <nigelb> hrm, I already got chickenpox once
[16:14] <nigelb> smallpox is too rare these days :/
[16:15] <nigelb> JFo: oh, it looks lovely btw :)
[16:15] <duanedesign> nigelb: :)
[16:15] <JFo> nigelb, :)
[16:17] <duanedesign> JFo: what is the photo of
[16:17] <duanedesign> me no see it :(
[16:17] <JFo> one sec duanedesign
[16:17] <JFo> duanedesign, try this one http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1865938&l=4c34e37598&id=1209840162
[16:18] <nigelb> duanedesign: http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs773.snc4/67379_1682438420036_1209840162_1865938_1336276_n.jpg
[16:18] <duanedesign> JFo: oh wow!
[16:18] <JFo> :)
[16:18] <jussi> jcastro: why do we have curacao 1 and curacao 1+2?
[16:19] <JFo> duanedesign, http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1865936&l=9a0b8402f6&id=1209840162
[16:19] <JFo> also
[16:19] <duanedesign> JFo: what is the columbia record, some jazz?
[16:19] <jcastro> jussi: yes, just make it "curacao-1-2" or something
[16:20] <jussi> ok
[16:20] <jussi> so its one and the same?
[16:20] <JFo> duanedesign, Frank Sinatra
[16:20] <duanedesign> JFo: ahhh, right
[16:21] <duanedesign> i did it mymymymymymy way :)
[16:21] <JFo> heh
[16:21] <JFo> yeah
[16:21] <JFo> I like listening to Frank every now and again
[16:21] <JFo> plus he was handy to test the sound on the new tables
[16:28] <nlawson> hello from cincinnati
[16:28] <nlawson> i was directed here from #ubuntu
[16:29] <nlawson> I was told to talk to you about television pilot ideas that would be in support of the Ubuntu community
[16:29] <JFo> nlawson, you are in the right place
[16:29] <nlawson> wonderful
[16:29] <nlawson> im as serious as breathing
[16:29] <JFo> excellent
[16:30] <JFo> I am sure one of the community team in here would love to talk with you about it
[16:30] <JFo> :)
[16:30] <nlawson> i am in charge of facilitating a complete transition from an enmeshment of windows and mac oses to a complete open source solution
[16:30] <nlawson> ubuntu has my undivided attention
[16:30] <nlawson> the fact that you can customize it from within
[16:31] <nlawson> the fact that it makes it easy to work with vetted software ( i assume it is vetted ) makes it very appealing to me
[16:31] <nlawson> and i got it to run on a random monitor and a $75 dell computer
[16:31] <nlawson> that impresses the hell out of me
[16:31] <JFo> that is great to hear! :)
[16:32] <JFo> I'll leave it to the team to chat with you
[16:32] <nlawson> thank you
[16:32] <JFo> I need to step away for a bit
[16:32] <nlawson> okay
[16:32] <JFo> nlawson, no problem
[16:33] <nlawson> i would be very interested to help create an educational video whose purpose would be to educate school systems, non profit organizations, and public government organizations about the beauty that Ubuntu offers
[16:34] <nlawson> how does the ubuntu community team feel about that?
[16:45] <duanedesign> nlawson: i think that is a great idea
[16:46] <duanedesign> nlawson: i think everyone is busy preparing for our Developer Summit which starts next week. But if you can idle around i am sure you can get some input
[16:46] <pleia2> a video doesn't currently exist, but I know dinda was working on some educational-aimed pdfs
[16:46]  * duanedesign waves at pleia2
[16:46] <pleia2> g'day duanedesign
[16:47] <AlanBell> nlawson: tell us a bit about you and your organisation
[16:56] <nigelb> AlanBell: any news of wiki update?
[16:59] <AlanBell> nigelb: nope
[16:59] <AlanBell> 07:15 < AlanBell> newz2000: what is the status of the wiki theme now?
[16:59] <AlanBell> 14:31 < newz2000> AlanBell: I'm not certain, I've got to find an answer to that myself today
[17:00] <nigelb> AlanBell: GAH
[17:00] <nigelb> I'm hlding off on a view wiki work jobs I've volunteeered to do just because of that :/
[17:00] <nigelb> *few wiki
[17:01] <dholbach> ok my friends, I'm calling it a day
[17:01] <dholbach> see you all tomorrow!
[17:02]  * dholbach hugs you all
[17:02] <nigelb> dholbach: night :)
[17:02] <dholbach> bye nigelb
[17:05] <dinda> nlawson: Hi, I'm interested in this idea, what organisation are you with?
[17:06] <dinda> nlawson: I work for Canonical, covering Education
[17:06] <nlawson> I work for Media Bridges
[17:06] <nlawson><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:06] <nlawson> Dinda, what is a vision you have for how Ubuntu can be of benefit to the Education system?
[17:07] <nlawson> i see it as lowering costs and creating a saturation situation
[17:07] <nlawson> where if Ubuntu is the baseline operating system for a generation
[17:07] <nlawson> dividends will appear with time
[17:08] <dinda> nlawson: it's not just about the costs but showing that open source methodology matching open learning methodology. . .
[17:08] <dinda> nlawson: http://dindafoss.wordpress.com/
[17:08] <nlawson> there was an article today about wikipedia centered ideology for education
[17:09] <nlawson> you are an author/blogger?
[17:09] <nlawson> dinda
[17:09] <dinda> nlawson: I am :)
[17:09] <nlawson> that is a wonderful past time to enjoy
[17:09] <nlawson> www.newsonthehill.com
[17:09] <nigelb> dinda: I see you had an interesting trip to Malaysia :)
[17:09] <nlawson> im a young writer at that hyperlocal site
[17:10] <nlawson> Dinda is not to be fucked with
[17:10] <nlawson> lol
[17:10] <nlawson> your blog is exactly what i am looking for at this point in my work
[17:10] <dinda> nlawson: actually been considering trying to do a documentary about some of schools currently using Ubuntu
[17:10] <nlawson> dinda
[17:11] <nlawson> dinda: really what would be the focus of the documentary?
[17:12] <dinda> nlawson: showing how empowering it is when you put this kind of technology into kids hands
[17:12] <nlawson> how does the administration feel about a OS change?
[17:12] <nlawson> do they see the bigger picture or do they just see the immediate numbers?
[17:12] <dinda> nlawson: they are the ones driving it :)
[17:13] <dinda> the governement policies are very FOSS friendly, have their own R&D agency just to find FOSS solutions
[17:14] <nlawson> i technically work for the government
[17:14] <jussi> nlawson: in ubuntu namespace channels we appreciate it if you watch the language and keep it family friendly (ie. no swearing please)
[17:14] <dinda> MS is now offering to give them XP for free but English-only, with Ubuntu we can let them translate it
[17:14] <nlawson> i do apologize for my poor vocabulary
[17:16] <nlawson> i am terrible at IRC chats .. how difficult is it to enter into a real world situation with an ubuntu visionary that I could gain insight from into the FOSS world?
[17:19] <AlanBell> nlawson: are you in touch with your loco team?
[17:19] <nlawson> yes I am waiting to hear back from the ERK
[17:19] <nlawson> he is a very busy man
[17:20] <AlanBell> maybe email your loco mailing list to find someone in your area
[17:20] <jussi> jcastro: you about?
[17:20] <nlawson> AlanBell: I will do that
[17:20] <nlawson> I try to move as fast as people get back to me
[17:21] <AlanBell> Cincinnati is in Ohio?
[17:21] <nlawson> he is up for a leadership position within ohio ubuntu from what I can tell
[17:21] <nlawson> Cincinnati is in Ohio
[17:21] <AlanBell> #ubuntu-us-oh might be the irc channel to poke people in
[17:21] <nlawson> thank you
[17:21] <AlanBell> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-us-oh/
[17:22] <AlanBell> would be the mailing list
[17:22] <AlanBell> not a very active list by the looks of things
[17:35] <nigelb> w00t, 1000 votes on http://bugs.developers.facebook.net/show_bug.cgi?id=13040
[17:35] <ubot2> bugs.developers.facebook.net bug 13040 in [Old] Rest API "Desktop app failing, API_EC_TOO_MANY_CALLS breaks Ubuntu" [Critical,New]
[17:36] <nigelb> ok, I'm impressed very much that ubot just parsed that
[17:36]  * nigelb hugs jussi and rest of bot devel team
[17:37] <jussi> :D
[17:43] <jcastro> jussi: yeah
[17:51] <czajkowski> Ohio is up for renewal this week
[17:51] <czajkowski> talk to paultag that's his loco
[17:51] <jcastro> is it possible to vote against a team based on that it's ohio?
[17:51] <jussi> hahaha
[17:51] <pleia2> hah
[17:52] <czajkowski> lol
[17:52] <pleia2> so, there is a change on the CC (someone is stepping down and we're replacing them with the next on the list from the vote last year), what mailing list(s) should I post this announcement to?
[17:53] <czajkowski> locoteams
[17:53] <pleia2> putting it up on ubuntu-news.org too, of course
[17:53] <czajkowski> and -devel ?
[17:54] <pleia2> probably -news-team too
[17:56] <pleia2> looks like mark emailed -devel-announce for the initial CC announcement last year
[17:57] <pleia2> yeah, so -devel-announce and -news-team
[17:58] <jussi> Why are you not having a new poll? ( by-election) so to speak?
[17:58] <pleia2> don't want to risk voter fatigue
[17:59] <pleia2> and condorcet is good for this kind of thing
[17:59] <jussi> hrm, so the replace ment is coming in for just the remainder of term or getting a full term of their own?
[17:59] <pleia2> remainder
[17:59] <jussi> ok :)
[18:01] <czajkowski> nhandler: you have a topic on the loco council agenda will you be there this week ?
[18:01] <czajkowski> pleia2: aye makes sense tbh re filling in the spot the way ye are tbh
[18:02] <czajkowski> I think it's good not to tire or confuse people with unnecessary elections tbh
[18:03] <AlanBell> it makes sense and I can't see a conflict with http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/governance however it might be worth documenting the procedure somewhere in case it gets used again
[18:03] <pleia2> AlanBell: agreed
[18:04] <jussi> AlanBell: +1
[18:09] <AlanBell> the whole nomination/shortlisting process is insufficiently well documented at the moment, possibly as a result of the ubuntu.com changes
[18:16] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncil/Restaffing is where you should be looking for that
[18:16] <pleia2> and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncil/Delegation
[18:16] <AlanBell> ah, missed that one
[18:17] <pleia2> (these are both linked from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncil)
[18:18] <pleia2> so we should update /Restaffing with a note about people stepping down mid-term and the process for filling the spot when condorcet voting is used
[18:21] <AlanBell> yup
[18:23] <doctormo> Arg, so many regressions in the apps I use! Why did the empathy developers take away /msg from irc?
[18:23] <doctormo> It's like I can't DO anything any more without some developer making it harder.
[18:25] <AlanBell> pleia2: PM?
[18:25] <pleia2> AlanBell: anytime
[18:28]  * nigelb hands doctormo best hostname award
[18:28] <nigelb> wargames!
[18:29] <czajkowski> hmmm some naughty teams not replying to re approval emails
[18:29] <czajkowski> >:(
[18:30]  * nigelb hugs czajkowski
[18:30] <czajkowski> then they wonder why they'll get unapproved
[18:30] <czajkowski> and it's not the first mail they;ve received either
[18:30] <czajkowski> grrr
[19:09] <nigelb> jcastro: poke?
[19:09] <jcastro> yo
[19:09] <nigelb> got a min for a PM?
[19:09] <jcastro> no
[19:09] <jcastro> just mail me please
[19:10] <nigelb> ok :)
[19:11]  * nigelb mailed
[19:15] <jcastro> nigelb: scheduling things go to jono
[19:16] <nigelb> jcastro: arg
[19:16] <nigelb> jcastro: will forward
[19:17] <nigelb> jcastro: thanks
[20:17] <pleia2> yay @ translating CoC
[20:18] <nisshh> pleia2, i thought for sure it would have been suggested years ago *scratches head*
[20:18] <pleia2> it certainly has been talked about
[20:18] <nisshh> yeah
[20:19] <pleia2> but no one owned it until now
[20:19] <nisshh> i see
[20:24] <paultag> hey AlanBell
[20:25] <AlanBell> hey paultag
[20:25] <paultag> AlanBell, yeah, so what was going on with Ohio?
[20:25] <AlanBell> it contains cincinatti
[20:25] <czajkowski> paultag: hey buddy
[20:25] <paultag> czajkowski, :)
[20:26] <paultag> AlanBell, it sure does
[20:26] <AlanBell> where nlawson who popped in comes from
[20:27] <paultag> Ah, yes. He's working down there :)
[20:31] <paultag> AlanBell, FYI, our loco has an odd setup with the MLs. We use LP. Vorian set it up funny when he led Ohio
[20:31] <AlanBell> ah ok
[20:32]  * AlanBell is looking forward to the now inevitable elk carcass photo from vorian
[20:33] <paultag> heh :)
[20:33] <czajkowski> the waht now ?
[20:39] <paultag> Oh nothing :)
[20:41] <czajkowski> paultag: be nice to me I've to vote later on :p
[20:41] <paultag> haha :)
[21:00] <czajkowski> nhandler: poke you've an agenda item up for the 2nd month in a row are you about to discuss it ?
[22:43] <czajkowski> pleia2: what would be the closest area/state/loco to connecticut ?
[22:45] <pleia2> Mass
[22:45] <pleia2> new york borders it too
[22:46] <czajkowski> ok thanks
[22:57] <czajkowski> feck just noticed it's some sort of dress up on the friday night
[22:57] <czajkowski> at uds
[23:07] <doctormo> czajkowski: what kind?
[23:10] <czajkowski> http://paste.ubuntu.com/516496/
[23:37] <Technoviking> no All-Stars?
[23:37] <czajkowski> maybe as well ?
[23:38] <nhandler> I'm seeing a few emails on their ML from the past few days: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-allstars/
[23:40] <czajkowski> while I do like allstars it does seperate people from mingling during the week
[23:41] <czajkowski> I thought it was a lot more fun with just karaoke and more people got involved
[23:42] <Technoviking> czajkowski: the karoke in Barcelona was the best
[23:43] <czajkowski> aye it really was
[23:43] <czajkowski> and more people got up there then at an all stars
[23:44] <Technoviking> Orlando has a mega coustume store, people should try to go there for a costume
[23:44] <czajkowski> Technoviking: although celine dion will forever haunt me
[23:45] <Technoviking> czajkowski: lol
[23:46] <Technoviking> near, far, where ever you are:)
[23:47] <czajkowski> what was the other one
[23:47] <czajkowski> I got my soul....
[23:48] <czajkowski> I got soul even


[10:03] <mitya57> Mirv, I am going to sync qbs 1.4.2 from Debian because the latest upload fixes debian #795829, which is quite important.
[10:04] <mitya57> Is it OK from qtcreator point of view? (I'll make sure that it builds of course)
[10:08] <mitya57> Mirv, sorry, I meant debian #797774, not that
[10:37] <ari-tczew> Can someone check whether "requestsync" does work? from my side it's a timeout. However, syncpackage works fine.
[10:39] <ari-tczew> cjwatson, wgrant: might be it something related to LP's API? ^
[10:40] <cjwatson> ari-tczew: can you show me the full output please?
[10:41] <ari-tczew> cjwatson: w8, I was trying to fill a bug manually and I got this: (Error ID: OOPS-933ecce3baa55aec3f9502f1f0e41904)
[10:42] <ari-tczew> about requestsync: there is no log, it's just hanging around without any error msg.
[10:42] <cjwatson> just a bugtaskflat insert timeout, I'd just wait and try again a little later
[10:43] <cjwatson> bit much for me to do any detailed investigation on a Sunday morning and by the time I can I'd expect it'll have gone away
[10:43] <cjwatson> I'm guessing it's a lock held by some cron job maybe but that would take a while to pin down
[10:45] <ari-tczew> cjwatson: ok, sorry for disturbing
[16:44] <TJ-> When using pbuilder with --override-config --mirror XYZ, the generated sources.list contains the deb entry and a commented-out deb-src - is there a way to tell pbuilder to *not* comment out the deb-src line?
[17:14] <ari-tczew> is it necessary to keep *.lintian-overrides in the case delta includes a gcc5 transition?
[17:15] <ari-tczew> a lot of Debian packages don't ship it like our devs, I'm not sure whether such changes can we drop
[17:17] <ari-tczew> slangasek: a lot of packages have got this change uploaded by you, could you share your feedback, please? ^
[18:17] <ScottK> ari-tczew: if that's the only delta, don't bother keeping it.
[18:17] <ScottK> Once lintian is updated from Debian, it won't be needed.
[18:23] <ari-tczew> many thanks ScottK
[19:53] <Laney> It already is AFAIK


[17:21] <stgraber> highvoltage: we have the tablets
[17:22] <stgraber> highvoltage: or rather, they're in Sherbrooke, PLC will go get them and bring our two units here later today. I'm guessing mgariepy will have his this afternoon too (if he pokes PLC), the two others will have to be shipped to ogra_ and alkisg when you get back.
[17:26] <stgraber> highvoltage: is there any written documentation on how to get these boot whatever the kubuntu guys did so far?
[17:27] <stgraber> gonna be a busy night, I have the rest of my stuff also arriving later today (SSDs, usb adapter, ...)
[20:01] <stgraber> highvoltage: got in touch with rbelem, should have the instructions for the tablets tomorrow. We're also lucky to have the prod units apparently, that should save us the touchscreen problem
[21:08] <ajmitch> stgraber: when you get the info about booting ubuntu on them, let me know - I want this on a wiki somewhere & want to actually talk with other people working on it :)
[21:09] <stgraber> ajmitch: my goal is to have an image up by the end of the weekend with install instructions. The kernel won't be nicely packaged but I don't really care at this point
[21:09] <ajmitch> that's fine, I just want something to work with other than android
[21:09] <ajmitch> my tablet's sitting beside me in my bag with an empty 32GB micro sd card that needs used
[21:11] <stgraber> the goal currently is to get something on the microsd that you can boot and install on the flash. The install on the flash part being the trick as we don't want to brick the tablet in the process ;)
[21:12] <ajmitch> I think they're fairly unbrickable, though the utility to reflash them requires windows
[21:12] <ajmitch> I've read a bit about how to prep an sd card for an A10, not sure how much is relevant to these tablets
[21:15] <ajmitch> stgraber: one day I'd like to know how you've got your network set up with ipv6 & lxc :)
[21:17] <stgraber> ajmitch: it involves a router, radvd, a bunch of vlans, some managed switches and bridges :)
[21:18] <ajmitch> sounds a little more complex than my home setup :)
[21:19] <ajmitch> I was looking yesterday to see if I can simple bridge containers on my laptop to eth0, so that they just pick up addresses automatically
[21:24] <stgraber> yeah, you can, though making that work with network-manager isn't exactly trivial
[21:24] <stgraber> if you don't care about NM, then define the bridge in /etc/network/interfaces with bridge-ports set to eth0 and then configure your containers to use that interface
[21:25] <ajmitch> that's what I'd found, but as it's my laptop I sort of use NM quite a bit
[21:25] <stgraber> alternatively you could use macvlan instead of veth in the containers and replace lxcbr0 by eth0, that'll virtually bridge them to eth0
[21:25] <ajmitch> I'll try that
[21:25] <stgraber> though there's the downside of them not being able to talk to each other or talk to the host (never can remember which of the two it's).
[21:26] <ajmitch> I'll find out soon enough :)
[21:27] <ajmitch> looks like it's picked up the address from radvd, but can't ping the host
[21:30] <stgraber> right, so that's the problem... IIRC it can be solved by also moving your host's network to a macvlan interface but then it's really not much better than having a bridge (as NM doesn't know what a macvlan interface is)
[21:31] <ajmitch> I'll play around a bit with it
[21:31]  * ajmitch was just hoping for something as simple as virtualbox's bridged networking
[21:31] <stgraber> sadly that kind of magic comes at the cost of a kernel module and weird hacks that'd never be allowed in the upstream kernel...
[21:32] <stgraber> though maybe someone will figure out a clean way of doing it and macvlan will just become magic at some point
[21:32] <ajmitch> that'd be nice :)


[13:39] <xu-irc6w> i did something very stupid: sudo deluser $(USER)
[13:40] <xu-irc6w> Is there a way to restore?
[13:40] <xu-irc6w> i am not in the sudoer list anymore
[13:41] <diogenes_> xu-irc6w, so what user you're now?
[13:42] <xu-irc6w> i am now on a different system
[13:43] <xu-irc6w> the user i deleted still exists, but is not a member of any group anymore and not in the sudoers list
[13:44] <diogenes_> xu-irc6w, try this: https://itectec.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-i-accidentally-deleted-administrator-account-and-the-other-accounts-are-asking-root-password/
[13:52] <xu-irc6w> Thanks very much, i can be super user again
[13:53] <xu-irc6w> Any idea which other thinks need to be restored
[13:53] <xu-irc6w> things*
[13:54] <xu-irc6w> like default groups
[13:54] <xu-irc6w> etc
[20:08] <xu-help49w> Hi There! can I install xubuntu using netboot?
[21:05] <oerheks> xu-help49w, sure, if you have a local netboot service
[21:05] <oerheks> *pxe
[21:08] <xu-help49w> I have one installed for othr linx, but can u gide me a bit about where (or how ) i can get boot.pxe file. i'm not clearly understand how all that work afound
[23:30] <spicyCebolla> after updating to xubuntu 21.04, my panel items are constantly prompting me to uninstall them.  there are 30 "Wrapper 2.0" windows all asking "Are you sure that you want to remove Whisker Menu?" screenshot: https://imgur.com/kTEruGZ.png This may be due to losing power during the upgrade, then having to chroot in and run dpkg configure -a