[15:00] <barry> #startmeeting
[15:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 09:00. The chair is barry.
[15:01] <barry> hello everyone and welcome to this week's ameu launchpad reviewer's meeting. who's here today?
[15:01] <bigjools> me
[15:01] <gmb> me
[15:01] <EdwinGrubbs> me
[15:01] <noodles775> me
[15:01] <bac> me
[15:01] <deryck> me
[15:01] <beuno> me
[15:01] <cprov> me
[15:02] <henninge> me
[15:02] <jtv> me
[15:02] <barry> adeuring, leonardr, salgado ping
[15:03] <danilos> me
[15:03] <barry> mars and sinzui send their apologies
[15:03] <salgado> me
[15:03] <adeuring> whoops, me
[15:03] <barry> allenap: ping
[15:03] <leonardr> ping
[15:03] <barry> [TOPIC] agenda
[15:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  agenda
[15:04] <barry>  * Roll call
[15:04] <barry>  * Action items
[15:04] <barry>  * UI review call update
[15:04] <barry>  * Peanut gallery (anything not on the agenda)
[15:04] <barry>
[15:04] <barry>
[15:04] <barry> [TOPIC] action items
[15:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  action items
[15:04] <barry>  * beuno to add a 'ui' specialty to ReviewerSchedule
[15:04] <beuno> did not do it  :(
[15:04] <beuno> will do today
[15:04] <beuno> PROMISE
[15:04] <allenap> me
[15:05] <barry> beuno: thanks!  i was asked at our standup who our mentors and mentats were and i just can't remember ;)
[15:05] <beuno> UI mentor, just me for now
[15:05] <beuno> I will graduate people
[15:05] <barry> cool
[15:05] <barry>  * gary_poster and barry will transfer review guidelines from the old wiki and old old wiki to the new wiki
[15:05] <barry> not done
[15:06] <barry> i will work on this this week
[15:06] <barry> [TOPIC]  * UI review call update
[15:06] <MootBot> New Topic:   * UI review call update
[15:06] <barry> beuno: do you want to give an update?
[15:06] <beuno> so
[15:07] <beuno> we continued to talk about what works and what doesn't
[15:07] <beuno> and I have a lot of notes that I need to update the wiki with
[15:08] <barry> beuno: how well do you think reviews are going these days?  how is ui 3.0 shaping up?
[15:08] <beuno> I think they are going very well
[15:09] <beuno> and that 3.0 is shaping up much better than I expected
[15:09] <intellectronica> me
[15:09] <beuno> developers are very involved in taking decisions
[15:09] <beuno> the navigation changes are in place, which is a big one
[15:10] <barry> beuno: do you think we're going to hit our ui 3.0 deadline?
[15:10] <beuno> barry, I don't think well hit 100% of the pages for Sept
[15:10] <beuno> but pretty close
[15:11] <barry> cool.  beuno anything else, or does anybody have any other questions or issues about ui reviews?
[15:13] <barry> okay, moving on...
[15:13] <barry> [TOPIC] peanut gallery
[15:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  peanut gallery
[15:14] <barry> any other topics not on the agenda?
[15:15] <barry> 5
[15:15] <barry> 4
[15:15] <barry> 3
[15:15] <barry> 2
[15:15] <barry> 1
[15:15] <barry> cool.  thanks everyone, and thanks for all the great reviewing everyone's doing.
[15:15] <barry> #endmeeting
[15:15] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 09:15.
[15:15] <bigjools> thanks barry
[23:32] <jml> what, huh?
[23:32] <jml> no meeting?
[23:52] <jml> barry, hi
[23:52] <jml> we're 20+ minutes late, right?
[23:52] <barry> jml: yes, my apologies
[23:52] <barry> we'll start in a minute
[23:52] <jml> barry, no worries, I just wanted to check :)
[23:54] <barry> #startmeeting
[23:54] <MootBot> Meeting started at 17:54. The chair is barry.
[23:54] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[23:54] <barry> jml, thumper, rockstar, mwhudson hi! welcome to this week's asiapac reviewer's meeting.  how are you guys doing?
[23:54] <thumper> here
[23:54] <jml> hello
[23:54] <rockstar> ni!
[23:54] <mwhudson> hello
[23:54] <jml> I'm well thank you
[23:54] <jml> rockstar, when did you move to asiapac?
[23:55]  * mwhudson is under an email molehill rather than a mountain
[23:55] <barry> jml: settling into your new position yet?
[23:55] <jml> barry, "settling", hmm not quite
[23:55] <wgrant> New position?
[23:55] <jml> barry, I'm more like a pioneer on my long trek west
[23:55] <barry> rockstar: joined us here a few weeks ago
[23:55] <jml> barry, to borrow a myth from your country :)
[23:55] <barry> :)
[23:56] <barry> wgrant: welcome!
[23:56] <rockstar> jml, this way, I can get my morning chores done in the morning.
[23:56] <wgrant> Morning barry.
[23:56] <barry> so... not much really to speak of in the ameu meeting
[23:57] <jml> wgrant, the public announcement should come out soon
[23:57] <barry> beuno updated the ReviewerSchedule page with the ui mentats
[23:57] <barry> beuno is the only full fledged ui reviewer but he is going to do some graduations soon
[23:58] <mwhudson> barry: anything happen in reviewer meeting land in the last 3 weeks?
[23:58] <mwhudson> barry: jml and i haven't been here
[23:58] <barry> mwhudson: not much really.  we've been having very short meetings in both timezones
[23:58] <mwhudson> barry: hooray
[23:59] <barry> so, i'll just open up the floor.  what's on y'all's mind today?
[23:59] <mwhudson> "gosh, we get a lot of email"


[06:35] <sn00kie> f I follow the instructions on: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RootfsFromScratch and build a root file system, can I use my own kernel?


[10:27] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[12:45] <icey> ahoy
[12:52] <teddy-dbear> o/
[15:30] <Forge> yohai


[05:56] <palhmbs> Hey! I've found a bug on a ubuntu website @ https://help.launchpad.net/BlueprintRoadmaps
[05:56] <palhmbs> where do I go to file bugs against it?
[05:56] <palhmbs> their is an invalid link on that page
[05:57] <palhmbs> also, could somebody point me to a blog post / some help, cause I want to create my own blueprint for a crazy cool idea I have.
[06:46] <micahg> palhmbs: you should probably file a question (answer) against the launchpad project on launchpad
[06:48] <palhmbs> thanks - will do, is there any wiki / tutorial / blog on how to write a blueprint that isn't currentl connected to a project?
[06:48] <palhmbs> I'm guessing it just isn't possible...
[06:49] <palhmbs> I'm sorry, probably the wrong place to ask
[07:08] <micahg> palhmbs: launchpad support questions should go in #launchpad, but no, that's not possible at the moment
[07:39] <palhmbs> thanks again micahg - I got the page fixed
[07:39] <palhmbs> they took it down :D
[10:13] <kamel> hi, is it possible to get a nomination of bug 789259 and 789268 for natty. thanks
[10:13] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 789259 in batman-adv-kernelland (Ubuntu) "Please remove batman-adv-kernelland from the Ubuntu archives (FTBFS) (affects: 7) (dups: 6) (heat: 60)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/789259
[10:13] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 789268 in batmand (Ubuntu) "Please remove batmand-gateway-(source|dkms) from the Ubuntu archives (FTBFS) (affects: 8) (dups: 9) (heat: 80)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/789268
[10:14] <micahg> kamel: we  generally don't remove a package from a stable release without a *really* good reason
[10:15] <kamel> is: it doesnt build and work - and is replaced by a module already in linux-2.6 not a good reason?
[10:16] <micahg> kamel: our kernels are very different
[10:16] <kamel> so different that they included batman-adv.ko earlier than the debian kernel
[10:17] <micahg> kamel: ugh, I shouldn't say very different, but they are not derived from one another
[10:25] <micahg> kamel: if nothing bad happens when people try to use it, there's no reason to remove the stable release
[10:29] <kamel> there are just upset people which don't know what they do, but report bugs about things they don't know but were installed
[10:30] <micahg> kamel: ok, well, the sponsors will review the bugs and take appropriate action, I see you mentioned in the description about natty
[10:49] <xelister> is there any bug making fglrx not work on maverick recently?
[11:41] <xelister> blargh.
[11:46] <benonsoftware> Quick question
[11:47] <benonsoftware> At the top of PChat it says the next meeting is on the 6/9/11 is that the 9th or 6th month?
[11:48] <JoshuaL> benonsoftware, i assume june 9th
[11:48] <jibel> benonsoftware, 2011-06-09
[11:48] <jibel> benonsoftware, 2nd thursday of each month
[11:48] <benonsoftware> Thanks for that.
[11:49] <benonsoftware> I just saw the meeting Wiki page :)
[11:55] <benonsoftware> Is anyone here wanting to mentor someone age 12?
[12:36] <ohsix> christ, can't get ahead; compiz update that just dropped a while ago really messes up drag/snap edges
[16:05] <roadmr> Hi folks! I have a bug that's actually about a feature not implemented in the package, should it be wishlist? (as I don't see any reports or discussion upstream) bug 793831
[16:05] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 793831 in gcalctool (Ubuntu) "3!! is not equal to 720 (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/793831
[16:09] <roadmr> I think triaged/wishlist and open a feature request upstream, hopefully I'm not too wrong :)
[16:11] <pedro_> roadmr, that sounds good, please also update the description / title
[16:12] <roadmr> pedro_: OK, i'll do that then, thanks
[16:12] <pedro_> you're welcome, thanks for helping :-)
[16:35] <roadmr> pedro_: coudl I trouble you with the importance (wishlist) for bug 793831? I opened and linked an upstream request, set it to triaged and changed the title to be more descriptive
[16:35] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 793831 in gcalctool (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Feature request: support for double factorial (!!) operator (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/793831
[16:35] <pedro_> roadmr, sure, doing it now
[16:36] <pedro_> roadmr, btw you should be able to change the importance :P
[16:36] <pedro_> your team is part of bug control now
[16:37] <pedro_> btw done
[16:37] <roadmr> thanks!
[17:51] <RedSingularity> chrisccoulson: ping
[17:52] <chrisccoulson> RedSingularity ?
[17:52] <chrisccoulson> you should add some context to your ping btw ;)
[17:53] <RedSingularity> chrisccoulson: yeah i just figured ;)  Anyway, bug 728797 is not update-manager.  Gnome-control-center maybe?
[17:53] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 728797 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "When using "Make Caps Lock an additional Ctrl" keyboard option, doing a dist-upgrade causes caps lock to revert to a caps lock key (affects: 1) (heat: 36)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/728797
[17:53] <RedSingularity> or something more specific you think?
[17:54] <chrisccoulson> RedSingularity, i'm not sure, sorry. i'm probably not the best person to ask ;)
[17:54] <RedSingularity> chrisccoulson: I thought you work the control-center?
[17:54] <chrisccoulson> RedSingularity, not really
[17:55] <RedSingularity> chrisccoulson: my mistake.  Know anyone who does?
[17:55] <RedSingularity> Thats not my area :)
[17:55] <chrisccoulson> hmm, not sure
[17:56] <RedSingularity> chrisccoulson: alright, thanks anyway :)  Will ask around.
[18:21] <micahg> RedSingularity: pedro_ should be able to help you
[18:28] <penalvch> Hey I'd like a 2nd opinion on bug 733128 it looks like a kernel panic on a Release Candidate kernel cause a LibreOffice dataloss and seems invalid due to old kernel... what do you think?
[18:28] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 733128 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "Libreoffice doesn't start (affects: 3) (heat: 16)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/733128
[18:29] <penalvch> old/non-stable kernel
[18:31] <bdmurray> RedSingularity: bug 769751 might be what you are looking for
[18:31] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 769751 in libravatar "Allow images to be marked as private (affects: 1) (heat: 3)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/769751
[18:31] <bdmurray> RedSingularity: bug 769571 might be what you are looking for
[18:31] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 769571 in console-setup (Ubuntu) "updates cause caps lock to revert until a reboot (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 82)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/769571
[18:31] <bdmurray> or at least that is probably the right package
[18:33] <charlie-tca> penalvch: is the bug still present in final release of natty?
[18:34] <charlie-tca> The user should verify if the bug is still present now.
[18:37] <penalvch> charlie-tca: I don't know if/think  the panic is reproducible in current kernel. I'll request reproduction of the panic w/ current kernel to see if it causes LO dataloss. Thanks for the help!
[18:49] <njin> Hello, are we tracking gallium ?
[18:50] <njin> bug 793834
[18:50] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 793834 in ubuntu "Gallium\r300g doesn't enable 3D acceleration unless S-video output detects a TV. (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/793834
[21:07] <brendand> is it bad form to touch hug day bugs before the hug day ? :)
[21:09] <micahg> brendand: nope
[21:09] <pedro_> brendand, nope :-)
[21:10] <roadmr> as long as you leave a couple for the rest :)
[21:10] <micahg> nope, pedro_ can always add more :)
[21:10] <pedro_> oh yes we have plenty :-)
[21:12] <jpiche> hi. i've been struggling with bug 775950 for a while, and I'm wondering if someone could help me figure out the best way to debug or fix it
[21:12] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 775950 in linux (Ubuntu) "fixing recursive fault but reboot is needed! upon boot (always reproducible on battery only, but sometimes on AC too) (affects: 18) (heat: 92)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/775950
[21:29] <brendand> seems like it should be critical
[21:31] <brendand> jpiche - do you have an ATI card?
[21:33] <jpiche> braiam, yes I do
[21:33] <jpiche> I'm actually the original reporter of the bug
[21:34] <jpiche> brendand, sorry. not braiam.
[21:34] <brendand> jpiche - i know :) i looked at it just now
[21:34] <brendand> jpiche - and you are using fglrx. have you tried with using radeon?
[21:35] <jpiche> brendand, not yet. When I get time, I'll try that next--switching from fglrx to radeon is a bit of a pain
[21:36] <brendand> jpiche - you can just use jockey?
[21:36] <roadmr> how about booting in rescue mode (single), does the problem happen then?
[21:37] <jpiche> roadmr, most of the time it still happens in single. About 1 / 10 reboots, single will work.
[21:40] <jpiche> brendand, jockey doesn't always work for me because I switch secondary monitors all the time and the last time I tried it, my X config got a bit messed up--just annoying though, not a real problem
[21:40] <roadmr> jpiche: no useful logs in /var/log? that might help
[21:42] <jpiche> roadmr, no. I've tried reading through them after plugging in and booting up, but I've never seen anything out of the ordinary
[21:42] <roadmr> jpiche: so, the actual kernel panic log doesn't get written to disk
[21:43] <jpiche> roadmr, that's what it seems like. it happens pretty quick
[21:46] <braiam> Im a bit used to it
[21:47] <braiam> jpiche: ↑
[21:47] <roadmr> hmm. One way to capture a useful log would be via remote syslog, but it's a bit involved to setup, and it'd require an extra pc
[21:48] <roadmr> not sure it would even work, if the kernel can't set up networking before panicking
[21:54] <brendand> jpiche - what's your kernel version?
[21:54] <brendand> probably on the bug
[21:55] <brendand> 2.6.38-8
[21:55] <brendand> that's the original kernel (fresh install)
[21:56] <jpiche> brendand, yeah 2.6.38-8-generic
[21:56] <brendand> my own feeling would be that someone from bug control should set it to critical. at least high
[21:56]  * micahg wonders where jFo is...
[22:06] <komputes> bdmurray: ping
[22:07] <komputes> bdmurray: I was reviewing the BugControl wiki page and found the following line which doesn't seem right:
[22:07] <komputes> One of the team's administrators should e-mail the team's application to ubuntu-bugcontrol AT lists.launchpad.net. Please give us:
[22:07] <hggdh> komputes: that sounds weird
[22:07] <hggdh> no
[22:07] <hggdh> this is correct
[22:07] <micahg> why is that weird, makes sense for team apps
[22:07] <hggdh> :-)
[22:07] <hggdh> komputes: this is for team applications
[22:08] <komputes> It could read easily as, Please email your team application to...
[22:08] <komputes> ...and include:
[22:08] <hggdh> komputes: as long as it is one of the admins, yes
[22:09] <hggdh> komputes: we only want to hear from team admins; I agree it could be better worded, but the restriction must be present
[22:10] <micahg> I think being explicit in this case is better
[22:10] <komputes> ok
[22:15] <RedSingularity> bdmurray: ah yeah, that looks like it...
[22:18] <RedSingularity> bdmurray: great, i will link it to that.  Thanks :)
[22:21] <RedSingularity> micahg: thanks for that info btw.  I wasn't aware he worked that package :/
[22:23] <micahg> RedSingularity: no, he's the defect analyst for the desktop team
[22:23] <RedSingularity> micahg: ahhh, ok
[22:48] <bcj> How do I open a bug on an update to a driver?
[22:48] <bcj> iwlagn was updated yesterday by the Ubuntu 10.04 auto-update tool and it's broken my wireless.
[22:48] <bcj> It looks like the latest driver no longer supports the firmware I have
[22:49] <charlie-tca> ubuntu-bug DRIVER
[22:49] <charlie-tca> and explain in comments that the update for 2011-06-06 broke it
[22:49] <RedSingularity> bcj: may I ask what driver?
[22:49] <bcj> iwlagn
[22:49] <bcj> I think
[22:50] <RedSingularity> ok never mind then :)
[22:50] <bcj> iwlagn 0000:04:00.0: Driver unable to support your firmware API. Driver supports v5, firmware is v0.
[22:50] <RedSingularity> thought it may have been another one....
[22:51] <bcj> I'll try opening a bug
[22:52] <RedSingularity> bcj: yeah follow charlie-tca's advice
[22:52] <bcj> ubuntu-bug DRIVER doesn't work, nor does ubuntu-bug iwlagn
[22:53] <RedSingularity> charlie-tca: ^ maybe it doesnt have the hooks....?
[22:53] <charlie-tca> !info iwlagn
[22:54] <ubot4> charlie-tca: Package iwlagn does not exist in maverick
[22:54] <bcj> ...so how do I find out what to raise the bug against?
[22:54] <bcj> (you can probably tell that I keep knocking the ethernet cable out)
[22:54] <charlie-tca> bcj: ubuntu-bug module-init-tools
[22:55] <charlie-tca> That includes iwlagn
[23:06] <bcj> Thanks for the help all; here is the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/module-init-tools/+bug/794291
[23:06] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 794291 in module-init-tools (Ubuntu) "iwlagn driver update breaks compatibilty with firmware (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]


[00:04] <dacresni> who here has messed with grub crashkernel
[00:05] <dacresni> brb
[00:08] <takecare> hello everybody
[00:38] <rob_0629> Back from class, same weird problem. WINE program (Guild Wars :P) has sound/music at the login screen but after I log in, sound is gone. Suggestions? :P lol
[00:39] <rob_0629> (not a volume/mixer issue :P)
[00:39]  * rob_0629 sits on his hands and waits~
[01:12] <giantpune> im using kubuntu 11.10.  the update manager thingy (apper) says there is an update to a package, but then fails to download it with a 404 error.  is there any way to clear this update from apper so it doesnt keep trying to grab that file?
[01:16] <xdunlapx> hi guys, I'm wondering if anybody here has experience using the hp toolbox
[01:17] <xdunlapx> er the HPLIP Toolbox
[01:20] <giantpune> hmmm.  it seems that running "sudo apt-get upgade" in the terminal is able to upgrade that package that apper fails to get.
[01:40] <afink_> How can you change the authentication source on kubuntu to use NIS?
[02:02] <hexacode> anyone know a decent filtering utility for ubuntu that converts to and from  any of the following   hex, binary, ascii , and maybe even character encodings
[02:10] <PhilRod> hexacode: if you want a commandline hex dump, there's od
[02:21] <hexacode> thanks PhilRod
[02:30] <hexacode> how does ssh forward a local port for its tunneling?   does it somehow get into the kernel and get access to the packets before they go outbound, and look at their source port? then copy the data and send it to ssh ? then drop the packet from the kernel so it doesnt go out the clients port?
[03:10] <Axlin> Hey guys. In Natty, Muon Package Manager (I installed it separately) had a button to retrieve a screenshot for a package, just like in Synaptic. In Oneiric, however, that button is gone. Did they remove that feature or something?
[03:15] <skreech_> afink: ping
[03:16] <skreech_> hexacode: Nothign gets into the kernel. It asks the kernel to do something for it or it bypasses the kernel completely. We call the bypass ones rootkits
[03:16] <Daskreech> claydoh_: ping
[03:23] <hanasaki> any reason why strigi would keep indexing the same file over and over again?  the files have not changed
[04:41] <jmichaelx> i wonder why in the world amarok places a lot of tracks in 'various artists', when it clearly knows who the artist is
[04:42] <jmichaelx> i also wish the colors used in the tool tips could be changed, as they make the text nearly unreadable as they are
[04:46] <well_laid_lawn> I think there is an amarok channel
[04:50] <jmichaelx> well_laid_lawn: yea, i went there after i asked the question here
[04:50] <well_laid_lawn> cheers :)
[04:50] <jmichaelx> :)
[04:50] <vehemoth> how do I find out the name of a plasmoid? like the notifications one is notifications and the calendar is calendar. I don't meant the title when I go add widget
[04:52] <jmichaelx> vehemoth: i have wondered the same thing... under 'add widget', the names really should match the actual name of the widget. the way it is now is really stupid
[05:18] <starn> can anyone help me with my mouse and unreal tournament 2004?? it keeps centering on the center left everytime i try to move it and does same thing while in game and not just in the menu.. how do i fix it?
[05:19] <vehemoth> jmichaelx: not sure but it seems that widgits are the ones in /usr/share/kde4/services that start with Application and you use that name without the Application part and in lower case
[05:20] <vehemoth> nah I'm sure that's wrong
[05:24] <Daskreech> vehemoth: what are you looking for? there is plasma umm debuggy thingy
[05:24] <Daskreech> starn: only when UT starts?
[05:24] <vehemoth> Daskreech: I've found the particular one I'm looking for, I was just wondering how you tell
[05:25] <Daskreech> vehemoth: Not .. sure I just use the filters to find things
[05:25] <Daskreech> and I guess I've been around KDE Long enough to just kinda know.
[05:25] <starn> daskreech all over ut.... menus in game etc..
[05:26] <Daskreech> starn: Man I'd have to dig that out now to figure that out
[05:26] <Daskreech> starn: is it the linux install of UT?
[05:26] <vehemoth> Daskreech: my problem is I'm trying to use things without a full plasma desktop and it's hard to find help for some of the harder problems
[05:27] <Daskreech> vehemoth: you have 1/2 a plasma?
[05:27] <starn> daskreech yes most defiantly linux install. from the actual CD's surprisingly.
[05:27] <Daskreech> isn't that just hot gas? :)
[05:27] <Daskreech> starn: Yeah. I would guess hit epic's forum and ask
[05:27] <vehemoth> you can run plasmoids by themeselves using plasma-windowed
[05:28] <vehemoth> so I'm doing that with kwin and krunner. using a different bar and different desktop
[05:28] <starn> daskreech do they even still support linux?? i mean i've not seen an linux installer for UT3 [2007]
[05:28] <Daskreech> starn: in ... theory..?
[05:29] <Daskreech> they have Linux on the box of the games they put out and they pay Ryan to have Linux support but they have not actually put out any linux support for the last three games
[05:29] <starn> Daskreech: i know they supported linux all the way till 2004 ut.... :\ why they stopped beats me i heard they supposedly was working on one for 2007 but i've yet to see light..
[05:29] <Daskreech> When asked they still say yes they have been working on it
[05:29] <Daskreech> starn: I suppose having Microsoft as a publishing partner would be interesting
[05:30] <starn> Daskreech: indeed.. which lately i've been hearing microsoft has been supporting linux.. [highly doubtful]
[05:30] <Daskreech> vehemoth: Yep I know plasma-windowed. I suppose you could jump into #plasma and just let them know what you are doing.
[05:31] <Daskreech> They might take it into consideration when doing packaging to name or categorize the actual plasmoids more intuitively
[05:31] <Daskreech> starn: well they are the biggest sponsor of LinuxConf and the open android conference
[05:32] <Daskreech> starn: in terms of actually putting out anything to help Linux not really
[05:32] <Daskreech> they have code in the kernel
[05:32] <starn> Daskreech: really??!?!?! my heart may of just stopped dude.. thanks.. haha ima try to see if my game needs patching.. just thought of that..
[05:34] <Daskreech> starn: It's to support Linux running as a sub process under Windows Server but yes they do
[05:35] <hexacode> hey you guys. im reading a man page and have absolutely no idea wat this means "-C      Canonical hex+ASCII display.  Display the input offset in hexadeci‐ mal, followed by sixteen space-separated, two column, hexadecimal bytes, followed by the same sixteen bytes in %_p format enclosed in ``|'' characters.
[05:36] <hexacode> the %_p format is what i dont understnad
[05:36] <hexacode> is that some scripting lingo that i dont know about?
[05:36] <Daskreech> hexacode: od ?
[05:36] <hexacode> hexdump
[05:37] <Daskreech> the %_p is the query?
[05:39] <hexacode> how am i supposed to know that?
[05:39] <hexacode> is it like a scripting convention to write arguments like that?
[05:41] <starn> Daskreech: i forgot the copy command .... cp???
[05:42] <Daskreech> starn: yes
[05:43] <Daskreech> hexacode: it's explained further on in the manpage
[05:45] <starn> hey Daskreech i have another issue.. with games... example. openarena. it won't let me set res and always stritches across both monitors.. i only want it to display on one..
[05:46] <Daskreech> starn: hmm haven't played with Games across multiple monitors for a few years
[05:46] <Daskreech> starn: check in #gametome or #phoronix
[05:46] <starn> Daskreech: is it in freenode?
[05:46] <Daskreech> one should help with games the other should help with driver issues etc
[05:50] <Daskreech> starn: yes
[05:51] <petercilee> ?
[05:54] <vehemoth> jmichaelx: to list all the widgets, plasmoidviewer --list
[05:55] <starn> Daskreech: they said it could be my dual monitor setup causing both issues... grrr.
[05:59] <Daskreech> starn: sounds about right.
[06:00] <Daskreech> starn: though the center left statement makes a lot more sense now when I know it's dual monitor
[06:03] <starn> Daskreech: how would i copy an entire folder to another folder for i wanna copy ut2004-patch contents to where i installed ut.. but when i do cp /ut2004-patch/ /installpath/ it puts that folder there not the stuff in the folder.
[06:04] <Daskreech> cp -r or cp /ut2004-patch/* /installpath/
[06:04] <Daskreech> either will work
[06:05] <starn> Daskreech: thanks wish i wasn't forgetfull haha
[06:05] <Daskreech> :-)
[06:07] <starn> Daskreech: omitting dicertory does mean copying? right??? if so i think i did it right..
[06:08] <Daskreech> starn: Hmm?
[06:08] <starn> it says cp: omitting directory `/home/starn/Downloads/UT2004-Patch/Animations'
[06:09] <starn> basically i do not know the definition of omitting.
[06:23] <starn> Daskreech: you good with crontab thingy?? i been trying to make it automatically change my backgrounds in xubuntu.. i mainly use kubuntu for pretty stuff.. haha
[06:24] <Daskreech> starn: sorry omitting means leaving out
[06:24] <Daskreech> starn: http://www.howtoforge.com/xfce_desktop_background_wallpaper_changer
[06:25] <starn> Daskreech: Make sure that the Allow Xfce to manage the desktop. i do not have a thingy to mark that states that....
[06:27] <Daskreech> starn: can you give it a list of images to use for the wallpaper?
[06:30] <Daskreech> if you can then run xfdesktop -reload from the terminal
[06:30] <Daskreech> let me know if the wallpaper changes
[06:35] <starn> Daskreech: xfdesktop --reload works.
[06:36] <Daskreech> starn: new wallpaper?
[06:36] <starn> Daskreech: yes new wallpapers..
[06:36] <Daskreech>  */5 * * * * export DISPLAY=:0; /usr/bin/xfdesktop --reload  in your crontab should work then
[06:37] <starn> Daskreech: that may be my problem!!! -reload didn't work but --reload did and i am pretty sure i copied and pasted that!
[06:37] <Daskreech> Sorry should have been --reload :)
[06:38] <starn> so now i wait five minutes.
[06:41] <starn> Daskreech: does DISPLAY=:0; effect both monitors or just one?? lol sorry i ask you so many questions.
[06:41] <Daskreech> ermm
[06:41] <Daskreech> the main one I think
[06:41] <Daskreech> Unless you have an extended desktop then it will be both
[06:41] <Daskreech> What's in your display variable now?
[06:42] <starn> twinview. it functions as two monitors and at the same time functions as one... kinda like on windows..
[06:42] <Daskreech> you probably should just replicate that
[06:42] <Daskreech> starn: what does echo $DISPLAY say now?
[06:43] <starn> :1.0 so i assume i change the display thingy to DISPLAY=:1.0; ?
[06:44] <Daskreech> yes
[06:46] <starn> should the " : " be that or should it be a ;?
[06:48] <starn> Daskreech: when nano asks to save.. i noticed it wants to save in /tmp/crontab.1HtaVx/crontab  should i change that?
[06:48] <Daskreech> starn: no
[06:49] <Daskreech> crontab will check the permissions on it and replace as needed
[06:49] <JorgeGarciaR> Hello. Does any body where "System Settings -> Desktop -> Screen Edges" is in Kubuntu? I have my bar on the left side and every time I move the mouse to the top left corner I execute the "scale / present windows" plugin
[06:49] <Daskreech> starn: assuming you are editing with crontab -e
[06:49] <starn> Daskreech: ok thanks.. i haven't been so i was unsure. so now i just wait.. yay waiting..
[06:49] <Daskreech> you can see what's there with crontab -l
[06:49] <JorgeGarciaR> I meant: Does anybody know*
[06:50] <starn> Daskreech: IT CHANGED!! you're a life saver!
[06:50] <Daskreech> JorgeGarciaR: Umm. Other than System Settings -> Desktop -> Screen Edges?
[06:50] <Daskreech> JorgeGarciaR: alt+F2 -> screen edges
[06:50] <Daskreech> starn: no I'm a desktop killer :)
[06:51] <starn> Daskreech: in that case i ask that you don't kill my desktop :P
[06:51] <Daskreech> starn: That's what changes the wallpaper
[06:52] <starn> Daskreech: ohhh i get it.. the reload command is telling the entire desktop to reload? not just the background...... ?
[06:52] <Daskreech> starn: yes but the thing that will get affected is the wallpaper
[06:53] <Daskreech> Everything else remains the same
[07:03] <JorgeGarciaR> Daskreech: Thanks!
[07:39] <Fleck> how can i keep pulseaudio from starting when kde starts?
[07:48] <Tyl3r_DuRd3n> hi there
[07:57] <john32> hi does anyone know why im getting that pesky Error: Bad passphrase when trying to decrypt/encrypt email in kmail in oneric
[07:57] <john32> (note it's a clean install with a clean setup)
[07:58] <john32> seems to ork correctly in thunderbird
[07:58] <john32> hmm okay thats odd it worked for an old email but then crashed
[08:49] <jillsmitt_> hi
[08:51] <jillsmitt_> my computer is connected to MS Windows network and i dont see computer names properly (names are not in EN)
[08:51] <jillsmitt_> what can i do to fix it?
[09:13] <Daskreech> Fleck: Uninstall pulseaudio?
[09:13] <Daskreech> john32: maybe it's sent with a GPG key?
[09:16] <Fleck> Daskreech that was not my question, please read again!
[09:16] <john32> Daskreech: nah it was an old email which i have the key in my ring
[09:17] <john32> right now im just trying to figure out why i can't get email send.
[09:17] <Daskreech> Fleck: hmm you could put a pulseaudio -k in your bashrc
[09:17] <john32> smtp.gmail.com<EMAIL_ADDRESS><password> TLS on port 587 with PLAIN authentication
[09:17] <john32> i thought that was the correct SMTP settings for Kmail
[09:19] <john32> just sees to sit in my local folders outbox
[09:20] <john32> oh maybe its a bug
[09:20] <john32> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=278020 :P
[09:22] <john32> ------- Comment #12 From Stephan Diestelhorst 2011-08-24 11:51:43 -------
[09:22] <john32> Same here. Could someone please increase priority? An Email client that cannot
[09:22] <john32> send is severely broken.
[10:29] <Leendert> Hello
[10:31] <Leendert> 'apper' survived my update to 11.10, and now I can't update anymore because I have to software managers running at the same time, does anybody know how to solve this?
[10:42] <well_laid_lawn> !aptfix
[11:47] <MarcoPau> hi, I have a cd contaning oneiric. can I use it to upgrade my natty instead of downloading the whole thing thru update-manager? I don't have a fast connection and I'd be glad to save some hours of downloading
[11:49] <well_laid_lawn> I think you need the alternate cd to upgrade
[11:49] <GirlyGirl> MarcoPau: If its an alternate disk yes
[11:49] <well_laid_lawn> !upgrade
[11:50] <well_laid_lawn> !alternate
[11:50] <GirlyGirl> !well_laid_lawn
[11:51] <well_laid_lawn> I don't think the bot knows me ;)
[12:11] <phoenix_firebrd> I like to know some details about the project neon
[12:13] <yofel> !neon | phoenix_firebrd
[12:14] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: if i add the neon ppa to my souces and install an app will it affect the normal verison previously installed?
[12:15] <yofel> nope, the neon packages are installed in /opt, see the techbase page on how to use them
[12:16] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[12:17] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: i had tried it before, i just want to confirm it, thank  you. Is dragon player 3 available in neon
[12:17] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: hi
[12:18] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: hm, don't think so, unless it's in the default kde setup - which I think still uses 2
[12:18] <yofel> yep, neon has dragon 2.0
[12:18] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: who did see that
[12:19] <yofel> ?
[12:19] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: sorry , got it
[12:20] <alvin> !timelord
[12:20] <alvin> (Had to try)
[12:20] <yofel> heh
[12:20] <lelamal> Hi all, on a fresh install of 11.10 I get empty spaces on the taskbar, ghost spaces where there should be a minimmised window but there is none. This spaces push valid entries in the taskbar forward. Am I the only one, and is there a fix?
[12:21] <BluesKaj> hi phoenix_firebrd, yofel
[12:21] <yofel> hey BluesKaj
[12:22] <yofel> lelamal: nope, you're not the only one, and the KDE folks are still working on fixing as far as I know
[12:22] <yofel> *fixing it
[12:23] <lelamal> yofel: thank you, it's good to know! :)ù
[12:23] <BluesKaj> I like Dragonplayer , but it doesn't pass digital 5.1audio just pcm
[12:24] <phoenix_firebrd> brb
[12:24] <BluesKaj> lelamal, that' sbeen a problem for a while now, the ghost apps inm the taskbar
[12:26] <lelamal> BluesKaj: thanks for letting me know, to know it's a known issue feels better than thinking my system was borked
[12:27] <systemclient> I just did Natty->Oneiric and the nvidia driver is "active but not in use". lshw -C displays tells me "driver=nouveau". How do I re-enable the nvidia driver?
[12:29] <alvin> systemclient: # jockey-text -C
[12:31] <BluesKaj> systemclient, choose the recommended driver and install that, probly nvidia-current'
[12:31] <systemclient> BluesKaj: it was installed
[12:32] <systemclient> alvin: still running …
[12:33] <alvin> systemclient: Did you restart X afterwards (or reboot)?
[12:33] <systemclient> alvin: now it asks me reboot at "0.75"
[12:33] <BluesKaj> dpkg -l | grep nvidia, systemclient
[12:33] <systemclient> alvin: I rebooted after the upgrade
[12:33] <systemclient> BluesKaj: I already used jockey to remove the driver, I'll try reinstalling it
[12:35] <systemclient> BluesKaj: http://paste.ubuntu.com/720631/
[12:35] <BluesKaj> systemclient, then best to drop to atty , install nvidia -current then do sudo nvidia-xconfig, then reboot
[12:35] <systemclient> BluesKaj: that is strange
[12:35] <systemclient> BluesKaj: I was going to restart and reinstall with jockey
[12:36] <systemclient> I'll be back in a couple minutes
[12:39] <systemclient> strange, I uninstalled the current one and now I got the 173 one
[12:39] <systemclient> and 3D and compositing works
[12:39] <systemclient> so I guess I will not tinker with it
[12:45] <BluesKaj> systemclient, which graphics card ?
[12:45] <systemclient> 9500 GT
[12:45] <systemclient> BluesKaj: ^
[12:48] <BluesKaj> wow, and it uses the 173 driver, now that's strange ...it may be just coincidence about your desktop effects, the kernel module for the nvidia current is nvidia 11713772  40 in lsmod
[12:51] <BluesKaj> systemclient, anyway , "if it ain't broke, don't fix it "
[12:57] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: I like the dragonplayer's new qml interface and the recent files preview
[12:59] <systemclient> BluesKaj: did you say anything to me after I got disconnected?
[13:00] <BluesKaj> yeah, phoenix_firebrd , I use dragon player a lot for video without 5.1 audio
[13:00] <BluesKaj> systemclient, yeah I did ,  anyway , "if it ain't broke, don't fix it "
[13:00] <BluesKaj> :)
[13:01] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: its a simple player
[13:01] <BluesKaj> works well , phoenix_firebrd
[13:01] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: ya
[13:02] <systemclient> BluesKaj: yep, that is my motivation on this as well :-)
[13:02] <BluesKaj> I use VLC for DD and DTS audio in movies, mostly they're mkv
[13:03] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: vlc for all
[13:04] <BluesKaj> well phoenix_firebrd in some cases the DD especially suffers from audio dropouts which can be annoying , so I switch to dragon p[layer rather than change my audio settings in VLC to play pcm 2 channel
[13:07] <BluesKaj> my audio receiver reconstructs the 2ch audio to play as surround in DPL2..works quite well
[13:08] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: external decoder ?
[13:09] <BluesKaj> yeah , phoenix_firebrd , DAC in my audio receiver , they're very common now
[13:09] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: i use a philips surround decoder
[13:11] <BluesKaj> most soundcards , even onboards have digital outputs , either toslink or coaxial. Do you fed an audio amplifier from the decoder?
[13:11] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel_: i added the neon- project ppa to the sources list and i have installed project-neon-kdebaseapps package, i cant find the neon-project session entry in kdm, do i have to install any other package ?
[13:11] <BluesKaj> err feed
[13:12] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: ya, i have install the decoder circuit inside my amplifier
[13:12] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, ok
[13:13] <BluesKaj> cool :)
[13:14] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: my sound card supports digital output, but all of my devices outputs are analog
[13:15] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel_: got it
[13:16] <BluesKaj> neon isn't that the amarok daily-build packages?
[13:18] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: it also contains other packages
[13:19] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: https://launchpad.net/~neon/+archive/ppa
[13:25] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, don't see dragonplayer there
[13:25] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: its under kdemultimedia
[13:26] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: i mean kdemultimedia contains dragonplayer
[13:27] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: yofel_ said project-neon contains only version 2 of dragonplayer
[13:27]  * BluesKaj looks at appachelogger's git version
[13:28] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: i tried compiling it,not successful
[13:28] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: the depencency package qt desktop 0.1 is not dected when compiling dragon player in git
[13:29] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: also i am just a beginner in compiling from sources
[13:30] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: going to compile it?
[13:32] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: becarefull when using the phonon from git
[13:32] <phoenix_firebrd> going to test neon
[13:33]  * BluesKaj looks futher
[13:34] <MarcoPau> GirlyGirl: I have a live cd. I assume I can't get any package from there then, right?
[13:34] <GirlyGirl> MarcoPau: No
[13:35] <MarcoPau> GirlyGirl: sucks. thanks tho! .-)
[13:35] <MarcoPau> :)
[14:43] <FlashDeluxe> hi! i got a problem by removing a module, i get the error Device or resource busy if do rmmod -f :( How can i find out which resource uses this modul?
[15:02] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: The new dolphin 2.0 is good
[15:06] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: -> #kubuntu-offtopic ;)
[15:09] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, there's no configure file in the dragonplayer 3 git version so i din't bother trying ...there isn't even a readme , that tells me it's definitely too "raw" for me
[15:10] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: why do you need a configure file?
[15:12] <BluesKaj> in order to setup make and make install
[15:13] <Guest98725> ye
[15:13] <Guest98725> yes
[15:31] <lelamal> hi all, I used to use an application to convert music files (like flac) into mp3, but I can't remember its name to install it now. I think it was something along the lines of konverter (which isn't in muon, so it's wrong).
[15:34] <lelamal> nevermind, I've just found it, it's called soundkonverter :)
[16:07] <sandox> k
[16:07] <rork> y
[16:07] <sandox> hello guys
[16:08] <rork> hi sandox
[16:09] <sandox> i have kubuntu 11.10 and kde 4.6.5 runing on asus laptop model x52jk
[16:09] <sandox> theres a prolem using my web cam
[16:09] <sandox> it flips my image
[16:10] <sandox> i fixed it on skype
[16:11] <sandox> but how do i fix it when other apps open my cam?
[16:11] <sandox> anyone knows?
[16:12] <sandox> and where do i find information on my installed drivers?
[16:16] <rork> sandox: I don't use a webcam myself but bet there are people in here who do, hold on and someone will probably be able to answer your question.
[16:16] <sandox> хопе со рорк
[16:17] <sandox> hope so rork
[16:18] <sandox> rork, do u know where i can find info for my drivers...i mean i dont see any information about drivers...even in system settings
[16:21] <rork> sandox: unfortunately I have no idea
[16:22] <sandox> its ok dude,tnx anyway
[16:22] <phoenix_firebrd> sandox: what wrong
[16:22] <sandox> i cant find any information about my drivers
[16:23] <sandox> and have a web cam problem flippin my images
[16:23] <sandox> im runing kubuntu 11.10 and kde 4.6.5.
[16:24] <phoenix_firebrd> sandox: the webcam image is upside down?
[16:24] <sandox> yeah,i fixed it in skype
[16:25] <sandox> but problem still remain when turning my cam in a web site
[16:25] <phoenix_firebrd> sandox: that probably happens when you use a wrong video type
[16:26] <sandox> that happens everytime i turn my cam on
[16:26] <phoenix_firebrd> sandox: can you see any video settings when trying to use in web
[16:26] <sandox> no
[16:26] <sandox> i dont
[16:27] <phoenix_firebrd> sandox: what is your camera model
[16:27] <sandox> how do i check?
[16:28] <SunTsu> lsusb
[16:28] <sandox> right
[16:28] <kamilnadeem> Hi
[16:28] <sandox> i was forgot that
[16:28] <phoenix_firebrd> kamilnadeem: hi
[16:29] <kamilnadeem> Hi
[16:29] <sandox> Bus 002 Device 003: ID 0458:003a KYE Systems Corp. (Mouse Systems) NetScroll+ Mini Traveler
[16:29] <sandox> Bus 002 Device 002: ID 8087:0020 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub
[16:29] <sandox> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
[16:29] <sandox> Bus 001 Device 003: ID 13d3:5130 IMC Networks
[16:29] <sandox> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 8087:0020 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub
[16:29] <FloodBotK2> sandox: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[16:29] <sandox> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
[16:29] <FloodBotK1> sandox: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[16:29] <phoenix_firebrd> sandox: no
[16:29] <phoenix_firebrd> sandox: use paste.kde.org
[16:30] <kamilnadeem> phoenix_firebrd need little help
[16:30] <phoenix_firebrd> sandox: or psate.ubuntu.com
[16:30] <phoenix_firebrd> sandox: or paste.ubuntu.com
[16:30] <phoenix_firebrd> kamilnadeem: yes what is it
[16:30] <kamilnadeem> My system startup time got really slow after installing Ubuntu one on Kubuntu 11.10 si I was Unistalled it but no improvement in the startup time?
[16:31] <kamilnadeem> A cog jumps on the screen for sometime after which the startup sound plays
[16:31] <phoenix_firebrd> kamilnadeem: check the log and see what are all starting when you boot
[16:31] <kamilnadeem> ok doing
[16:33] <kamilnadeem> only normal stuf in the autostart
[16:33] <kamilnadeem> command runner, plasma-desktop and gtk2
[16:33] <phoenix_firebrd> kamilnadeem: not that one
[16:34] <kamilnadeem> service manager?
[16:34] <phoenix_firebrd> kamilnadeem: no the system log in /var/log
[16:34] <kamilnadeem> ok checking
[16:36] <kamilnadeem> ok , so what anoamly have I to check for>?
[16:37] <phoenix_firebrd> kamilnadeem: wait
[16:38] <kamilnadeem> Ok
[16:38] <phoenix_firebrd> kamilnadeem: can you see boot.log in /var/log/ folder ?
[16:38] <kamilnadeem> yes
[16:38] <kamilnadeem> I am actually in it
[16:38] <phoenix_firebrd> kamilnadeem: paste iy
[16:38] <phoenix_firebrd> kamilnadeem: paste it
[16:38] <kamilnadeem> ok imgur?
[16:39] <kamilnadeem> ok pastebin
[16:39] <phoenix_firebrd> kamilnadeem: pastebin
[16:39] <kamilnadeem> http://paste.ubuntu.com/720855/
[16:39] <kamilnadeem> here
[16:41] <phoenix_firebrd> kamilnadeem: nothing found there
[16:41] <phoenix_firebrd> kamilnadeem: are you using kde pim?
[16:41] <kamilnadeem> kde pim?
[16:41] <kamilnadeem> please explain ?
[16:41] <phoenix_firebrd> kamilnadeem: kontact, kmail, ..?
[16:42] <kamilnadeem> no
[16:42] <kamilnadeem> it has just begun
[16:42] <kamilnadeem> after installing the Ubunt one
[16:42] <phoenix_firebrd> kamilnadeem: if thats the case then akonadi may delay the startup
[16:43] <kamilnadeem> Well how could it be all of a sudden
[16:44] <kamilnadeem> On a previous kubuntu 11.10 install samething happend when I installed Yuake
[16:44] <phoenix_firebrd> kamilnadeem: you use a program that uses akonadi, it will start akonadi everytime it needs it
[16:45] <kamilnadeem> But I used Kontact for a while , then removed my account from it and Installed thunderbird and all this is some time back
[16:45] <kamilnadeem> It was all working well , just now
[16:46] <kamilnadeem> what will the sudo purge for Ubuntu one
[16:46] <phoenix_firebrd> kamilnadeem: no idea why it happens now, but you can try stop using akonadi and see if it helps
[16:47] <phoenix_firebrd> kamilnadeem: it will remove ubuntuone and its settings
[16:47] <kamilnadeem> ok so I stop it from startup , restart and report back
[16:47] <yofel> uhm, from what I know ubuntuone and akonadi have nothing to do with each other
[16:47] <kamilnadeem> OK
[16:48] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: no i didnt mean that
[16:48] <kamilnadeem> o.O yofel then whats this recent delay all about
[16:48] <yofel> kamilnadeem: nvm, I misunderstood what he said
[16:48] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: but akonadi does cause startup delay as stated by a devolper in planetkde blog
[16:49] <kamilnadeem> ok I got something here
[16:49] <kamilnadeem> kamil@kamil-MG-63MI-7109:~$ sudo apt-get purge ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk aptdaemon.gtkwidgets gnome-keyring
[16:50] <kamilnadeem> it shows a host of things to be removed
[16:50] <kamilnadeem> wait doing pastebin
[16:50] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: the time and date widgets, loads akonadi to show the events list at startup
[16:50] <yofel> true
[16:50] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: can you help kamilnadeem, i am going for my dinner
[16:51] <kamilnadeem> ok , go ahead :)
[16:51] <phoenix_firebrd> bbl
[16:51] <kamilnadeem> yofel here http://paste.ubuntu.com/720863/
[16:52] <yofel> yeah, that's ubuntuone and dependencies
[16:53] <kamilnadeem> so I am going ahead and removing them
[16:54] <yofel> kamilnadeem: the slowdown is after the login screen?
[16:55] <kamilnadeem> I do auto login , so the kde startup comes slow then a cog jumps on the screen and then the startup sound plays
[16:56] <kamilnadeem> well here is whats happened
[16:56] <kamilnadeem> http://paste.ubuntu.com/720868/
[16:57] <kamilnadeem> yofel:so I do yes to this ?
[16:57] <yofel> that looks fine from a KDE point of view
[16:57] <kamilnadeem> ok
[16:58] <kamilnadeem> ok while its removing stuff,  yofel do you use Kontact ?
[16:58] <yofel> nope, thunderbird
[17:00] <kamilnadeem> same here.
[17:02] <kamilnadeem> ok, going to restart
[17:05] <kamilnadeem> hmmm. nothing chnaged yofel
[17:08] <kamilnadeem> still the splash screen loads slowly and then cog near the mouse and after than the startup sound?
[17:12] <kamilnadeem> yofel you there?
[17:13] <kamil> I need some help with changing place of GRUB
[17:14] <yofel> kamilnadeem: not sure what's the problem then. You could look for something enlightning in ~/.xsession-errors which is the sessions error log, but other than that...
[17:15] <kamil> Can someone help me?
[17:15] <yofel> kamil: what place?
[17:16] <kamilnadeem> yofel now I am looking at what you said but I don't know how to interpret it?
[17:16] <kamil> I have installed Kubuntu on the "outside" HDD. But GRUB installed on my PC HDD. I want to have it on my "outside" HDD so when I will connect it then i will get GRUB(Now when not connected im getting errors).
[17:17] <kamilnadeem> kamil use rscutax and load your grub of your main hd
[17:18] <yofel> kamil: easiest way would be to boot that system and reinstall grub from there
[17:18] <kamilnadeem> yofel I think he must be getter grub rescue error
[17:19] <kamilnadeem> getting*
[17:19] <yofel> he probably gets no grub at all, if he tries to boot from the disk it isn't installed on
[17:19] <kamil> I'm on kubuntu now. What is RSCUTAX? I get Error about "No device connected"(When i dont connect my "outside" HDD by USB)
[17:19] <kamilnadeem> http://www.supergrubdisk.org/rescatux/
[17:19] <kamil> Have someone of you Skype? It easiest for me:D
[17:19] <yofel> kamil: ah wait, you're getting the error when booting your internal system without the external hdd?
[17:21] <kamil> Yeah. When its not connected i get this error. When connected I get GRUB. I can load Kubuntu and Windows from there. But I want to get normal Boot screen when External HDD is not connected and GRUB when i connect it:D
[17:21] <yofel> kamil: are you running the system from the internal disk right now?
[17:22] <yofel> or *what* is on *which* disk?
[17:22] <kamil> No. External. I have Kubuntu on External HDD, but GRUB(I think) is inside my PC
[17:22] <kamilnadeem> which distro is installed oon you internal hd kmail?
[17:22] <kamil> Windows is on internal. I had installed Kubuntu on External. I think GRUB had installed on internal
[17:23] <kamil> LooL. Im from Poland, and im not too good in Linux features:D
[17:23] <yofel> ouch, for the internal one you'll have to fix the MBR from the windows side
[17:23] <kamil> What is distro?
[17:23] <yofel> for the external one:
[17:24] <kamil> OK. I know. I will restore MBR through Windows. But, what with External and making there GRUB?
[17:24] <yofel> find out which device your system is on, for that open konsole, and run 'df' - then look for the line that ends with a single '/'
[17:24] <kamil> Which system:D
[17:24] <yofel> kamil: kubuntu
[17:25]  * kamilnadeem that is why whenever playing with things I unplug my main HD
[17:25] <yofel> well, it works as long as you know what to do. But this is really the easiest thing to get wrong
[17:26] <kamilnadeem> very aptly said yofel , I was on a distro testing spree sometime back and learned this then
[17:26] <kamilnadeem> yofel may you look into this http://paste.ubuntu.com/720904/
[17:27] <yofel> kamil: found it?
[17:27] <kamil> So. I will restore my MBR. Find which one is letter of partition with Kubuntu. Then?
[17:27] <kamilnadeem> kamil check this http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SPpPgnfTdE0
[17:28] <yofel> kamil: we can fix kubuntu *now* - you can fix windows later
[17:28] <yofel> kamil: what I need  is the line from df
[17:28] <kamilnadeem> haha
[17:29] <kamil> Kubuntu is all right. LOOL. I dont get you. You are talking about making GRUB on External HDD?
[17:29] <yofel> yes
[17:29] <kamil> Buoh.
[17:29] <kamil> Wait
[17:29] <yofel> as soon as you fix the MBR, kubuntu won't boot anymore unless we put grub on the external disk first
[17:30] <kamil> OK. So. Which Console I have to open. I have to find letter od my HDD that is in Windows(Like C, E) Or Linux version(sdb, sda)?
[17:31] <yofel> press alt+f2, run 'konsole', in there run df, there get me line that ends with a /
[17:31] <yofel> need to find the linux device
[17:32] <kamil> Got it. Here you go: przywracanie programu rozruchowego Windowsa
[17:32] <kamil> Shit
[17:33] <kamil> /dev/sdb5
[17:33] <yofel> kamilnadeem: I don't see anything particulary outstanding there either (esp. without timestamps -.-)
[17:33] <kamil> Thats it
[17:33] <yofel> kamilnadeem: mind trying to disable nepomuk and see if that helps?
[17:33] <kamil> nepomuk?
[17:33] <kamilnadeem> It for me kamil
[17:33] <yofel> kamil: ok, then in konsole run: sudo grub-install /dev/sdb
[17:33] <yofel> after that: sudo update-grub
[17:34] <kamil> [sudo] password for kamil:
[17:34] <kamil> Which password?
[17:34] <yofel> enter your password
[17:35] <kamil> I cant write anything
[17:35] <yofel> you won't see anything happening when entering the password
[17:35] <yofel> just enter it and press enter
[17:36] <kamilnadeem> ok going to restart
[17:36] <kamil> Got it!
[17:36] <kamil> Installation finished. No error reported.
[17:36] <kamil> Got Jesus
[17:36] <yofel> good, now run: sudo update-grub
[17:36] <kamil> That should be Sweet Jesus, but...
[17:37] <yofel> well, *now* you still need to fix the MBR for windows...
[17:37] <kamil> [sudo] password for kamil:
[17:37] <kamil> Shit. This is CTR: SHIFT and C. On windows it is just CTRL C.
[17:37] <kamil> Generating grub.cfg ...
[17:37] <kamil> Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-3.0.0-12-generic
[17:37] <kamil> Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-3.0.0-12-generic
[17:37] <kamil> Found memtest86+ image: /boot/memtest86+.bin
[17:37] <kamil> Found Windows 7 (loader) on /dev/sda2
[17:37] <FloodBotK2> kamil: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:37] <FloodBotK1> kamil: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:40] <kamil> Are you there guys?
[17:40] <Pici> kamil: Please use a pastebin, do not paste directly into this channel.
[17:40] <kamilnadeem> :(
[17:41] <Pici> !paste
[17:41] <yofel> Pici: could you kill one of the floodbots please... ?
[17:41] <Pici> yofel: hm?
[17:41] <yofel> we have 2 in here for some reason...
[17:42] <kamil> :D Lets kill them alll!!
[17:42] <Pici> yofel: Thats normal.
[17:42] <kamil> Sory about pasting. By incident i pressed too many times CTRL V:D
[17:42] <genii-around> yofel: #ubuntu has 3
[17:43] <yofel> ah, guess that changed at some point I didn't notice then...
[17:44] <kamilnadeem> yofel same thing , and neopunk and akonadi began on startup although I stopped them in startup settings?
[17:45] <yofel> then I'm out of ideas sorry. Something one *could* try is to install bootchart and make it log not only the system boot, but also the session login
[17:45] <kamilnadeem> let me repost my qustion
[17:45] <yofel> but I'm not sure how one would need to modify the settings
[17:45] <kamilnadeem> sorry, l;et me install bootchart
[17:47] <kamilnadeem> yofel there is a moot-manager in muon software centre and a bootchart in package manager
[17:47] <kamilnadeem> boot-manager*
[17:48] <kamilnadeem> phoneix_firebrd still no reslut
[17:49] <phoenix_firebrd> kamilnadeem: you mean the startup issue?
[17:49] <kamilnadeem> yes
[17:49] <yofel> you want bootchart
[17:49] <phoenix_firebrd> kamilnadeem: did you uncheck the show events in time and date widgets
[17:50] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: asking me?>
[17:50] <yofel> nope, him
[17:51] <kamilnadeem> well I have enchecked it now , but it was on from the very begining
[17:51] <kamilnadeem> unchecked*
[17:51] <yofel> bootchart could at least tell us what takes so long if we can get it to chart the login procedure
[17:51] <kamilnadeem> ok yofel installing it
[17:51] <phoenix_firebrd> kamilnadeem: any other time and date widget on desktop?
[17:52] <kamilnadeem> yes and analog clock as usual
[17:52] <kamilnadeem> removed it
[17:53] <phoenix_firebrd> kamilnadeem: i could remember that the startup time of 11.10 has increased as reported by a website called phoronix.com, let me check it again
[17:53] <phoenix_firebrd> kamilnadeem: uncheck the show events in that also
[17:54] <kamilnadeem> it is a recent thing , just after installing Ubuntu one it asked for restart , and then the delay in kde splash screen and the cog near the mouse and then the startup sound
[17:55] <kamilnadeem> Man why did I mess with it :-)
[17:55] <yofel> bootchart installed?
[17:55] <kamilnadeem> not that I use ubuntu one extensively
[17:55] <kamilnadeem> yes
[17:55] <yofel> then reboot please
[17:55] <kamilnadeem> ok
[17:55] <kamilnadeem> doing that
[17:57] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: check this out
[17:57] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_1110_bootchart&num=1
[17:58] <kamilnadeem> yes I am back
[17:58] <kamilnadeem> now what ?
[17:58] <yofel> kamilnadeem: you should have a PNG in /var/log/bootchart - can you upload that somewhere? (imagebin...)
[17:58] <kamilnadeem> ok
[17:59] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: the result shows that the boot time was increased from 25sec to 58 sec in 11.10
[17:59] <yofel> yeah, but I wonder what ubuntu is doing there - the charts are hard to read at that resolution
[18:00] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: its may be due to the new kernel?
[18:00] <kamilnadeem> yes phoenix_firebrd I did that before restarting
[18:00] <yofel> nah, on the first chart you see the long blue bar, which is a process using all of the CPU time
[18:01] <yofel> as well as compiz using a bit
[18:01] <kamilnadeem> here http://imagebin.org/181075
[18:02] <kamil> How can I make Bootable USB on Kubuntu?(Talking about rescatux)
[18:03] <kamilnadeem> I used dd (works for me ) you can use Unetbootin , install it via muon sc
[18:03] <kamilnadeem> I will be back in 5mins
[18:04] <phoenix_firebrd> kamil: use the startup disk creator
[18:04] <kamil> Where is it?
[18:04] <phoenix_firebrd> just type usb in kmenu search bar
[18:04] <kamilnadeem> go to kick off type muon , then in the software centre type unetbootin
[18:04] <kamilnadeem> brb
[18:08] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: are you checking the boot chart?
[18:09] <yofel> yeah, and I don't see anything wrong with it. Except maybe Xorg being stuck on disk I/O for ~5s
[18:09] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: is bluetoothd ok?
[18:10] <yofel> that's fine, it's using almost no resources anyway
[18:10] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: i think the nepomuk, strigi and akonadi are taking up resources alot
[18:11] <kamilnadeem> I am back
[18:11] <phil_> hiho, i tried my best at capturing sound from line in with a via vt1708s - but it just doesn't work. could anyone help me out?
[18:12] <kamilnadeem> sorry had to give medicine to my mother
[18:12] <yofel> nepomukservices indeed is together with virtuoso, but also krunner, plasma-desktop and synaptikscfg
[18:13] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: ya thats right the virtuoso
[18:14] <kamilnadeem> well I often asked about boot up times of other people and they say 30 sec or 40 secs bt only Ubuntu 11.04 took 30 secs on my specs
[18:14] <kamil> :O When i have pressed delete files from device(In startup disc creator) it have duplicated my USB device.
[18:14] <kamil> And it is still loading
[18:14] <kamil> Im worried about my files
[18:14] <yofel> kamilnadeem: how long does the desktop feel to take to load? looking at the chart it takes ~45s to load
[18:14] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: is apt-check run everytime at startup
[18:15] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: could be, that's from update-notifier. So that should be some regular check for updates
[18:15] <kamilnadeem> yofel may I time the restart to the actual finsihing of start up sound and mouse clicks working via a timer?
[18:16] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: is it really needed to run everytime?
[18:16] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: probably not, but the question is what runs it, as apt-check gets triggered on package cache refreshes
[18:17] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: let me check
[18:17] <yofel> kamilnadeem: feel free to. The chart looks not particulary fast, but inside sane parameters in my opinion
[18:17] <kamilnadeem> I may again say that the eexceptional delay has only began after i installed Ubuntu One. otherwise it the kde splash would load fine and right after that the startup sound , but now the splash takes time , then the cog jumps  and then the startup sound
[18:18] <kamilnadeem> ok let me restart it again and this time I will use a timer to clock the speed
[18:21] <kamilnadeem> ok so here are the results
[18:22] <mcsmurf> hi, I have a problem with the path env var (or maybe Kile is just special); I use Kubuntu 10.04
[18:23] <kamilnadeem> it took 35.6 to finish with kubuntu splash, then 10 sec for the kde splash , then 13 sec for the cog dance and the startup sound . In total 58.6 secs
[18:23] <mcsmurf> I want it to use the new texlive 2011 I installed; I added it to the path via a script in /etc/profile.d
[18:23] <kamilnadeem> and here is the boot chart http://imagebin.org/181080
[18:23] <kamil> I got an error in starting disk creator
[18:23] <kamil> Invalid version string 'GNU/Linux'
[18:23] <mcsmurf> on console pdflatex launches the new version; but Kile itself launches the old version (no, the path to pdflatex is not hardcoded)
[18:23] <phoenix_firebrd> kamilnadeem: can you check if you have removed the following packages after removing  ubuntuone-client
[18:24] <kamilnadeem> ok checking
[18:24] <kamil> Will someone help me?
[18:25] <kamilnadeem> kamil format your usb
[18:25] <phoenix_firebrd> kamilnadeem: check if you have removed all these packages http://imagebin.org/181082
[18:25] <kamil> How? I cant find this option in Kubuntu
[18:25] <kamilnadeem> kamil alt+f2 then type partiton
[18:25] <phoenix_firebrd> kamilnadeem: use the partition manager in systemsettings
[18:25] <phoenix_firebrd> kamilnadeem: oops
[18:26] <kamilnadeem> checking phoenix
[18:27] <kamilnadeem> phoenix the packages are showing in muon , I am removing them
[18:28] <phoenix_firebrd> kamilnadeem: ok
[18:29] <kamil> There is no option to format it. I cant do anything except clicking on settings.
[18:29] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: the only thing that is blocking from removing all gtk components is chromium
[18:29] <phoenix_firebrd> kamil: where?
[18:29] <kamil> In partition manager
[18:30] <kamil> There is padlock on it
[18:30] <phoenix_firebrd> kamil: did it ask for root passoword on startup?
[18:31] <kamil> yes
[18:31] <phoenix_firebrd> kamil: have you inserted your pendrive?
[18:31] <kamil> Yeah
[18:31] <phoenix_firebrd> kamil: is it showing in the list of drives
[18:32] <kamil> Yes, but I have got Padlock under Mount point.
[18:33] <phoenix_firebrd> kamil: you have to unmount it first
[18:33] <kamil> Got it. Plug off-in, and F5
[18:33] <phoenix_firebrd> kamil: you can just right click on the drive and select unmount
[18:34] <kamil> What have i got to klick to format it?
[18:34] <kamilnadeem> removed the packages that were installed from the list you gave phoenix
[18:35] <phoenix_firebrd> kamilnadeem: good
[18:35] <kamil> Hey. What to click to format it?
[18:35] <kamilnadeem> hey here is something in konsole
[18:36] <phoenix_firebrd> kamil: is your drive have a partition?
[18:36] <kamil> Yes.
[18:36] <phoenix_firebrd> kamil: right click on it
[18:36] <kamil> Yes.
[18:36] <phoenix_firebrd> kamil: what are the option you can see
[18:37] <kamilnadeem> here http://paste.ubuntu.com/720973/
[18:37] <kamil> Change Size
[18:37] <kamil> Delete
[18:37] <kamil> Copy
[18:37] <kamil> Test
[18:37] <kamil> And settings
[18:38] <phoenix_firebrd> kamil: select delete
[18:38] <kamil> It will delete my partition
[18:38] <kamil> What have I got to do after it?
[18:39] <phoenix_firebrd> kamil: right klick again and select new
[18:39] <kamilnadeem> phoneix would creating a new partition table from device be easy for him
[18:39] <kamil> Ohhh. Thanks :D
[18:39] <kamilnadeem> yeah new the fat32
[18:39] <kamilnadeem> ok phoenix removed the thing so now may we try again
[18:40] <kamil> Thanks.
[18:40] <phoenix_firebrd> kamilnadeem: ya
[18:40] <kamilnadeem> here goes nothing :)
[18:40] <phoenix_firebrd> kamilnadeem: those things are not needed
[18:40] <JuJuBee> Can someone assist me getting my mic working?  I have tried to unmute it, but seems that sound recorder does not record any input.
[18:41] <kamilnadeem> kamil http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeJQmmKYwJY
[18:41] <kamilnadeem> :)
[18:41] <phoenix_firebrd> JuJuBee: using audacity?
[18:41] <kamilnadeem> going to restart
[18:42] <JuJuBee> phoenix_firebrd: no, trying to get ready for a webex session.
[18:43] <phoenix_firebrd> JuJuBee: try every device in the recording source, when i tried the recording source was different
[18:44] <JuJuBee> phoenix_firebrd: I tried unmuting each device (mic, f-mic, capture) separately and no joy.
[18:44] <phoenix_firebrd> JuJuBee: try also other devices
[18:44] <phoenix_firebrd> JuJuBee: not only mic and linein
[18:44] <JuJuBee> phoenix_firebrd: where are you talking about?  in kmix Mixer settings?
[18:44] <phoenix_firebrd> JuJuBee: i had the same problem
[18:45] <phoenix_firebrd> JuJuBee: no in the recording app
[18:45] <JuJuBee> Ah...
[18:45] <kamilnadeem> hmmm. 1.04 mins phoenix_firebrd . :D
[18:45] <phoenix_firebrd> kamilnadeem: ??
[18:46] <phoenix_firebrd> kamilnadeem: reduced?
[18:46] <kamilnadeem> yes. it took 1.4 minutes this time
[18:46] <kamilnadeem> actually increased
[18:46] <JuJuBee> phoenix_firebrd: no mute options in audacity  Only Device (HDA Intel: ALC663 Analog (hw:0,0)) or default  no mute  options
[18:48] <JuJuBee> When I unmute the "Mic" in alsamixer I hear myself in my headphones but nothing gets recorded...
[18:48] <kamilnadeem> the cog jumping has persisted before startup sound
[18:48] <kamilnadeem> although the bootchart shows 55 seconds
[18:48] <phoenix_firebrd> JuJuBee: i dont have audacity installed now, so i cant tell you anything about that
[18:49] <phoenix_firebrd> kamilnadeem: thats the update notifier
[18:49] <phoenix_firebrd> kamilnadeem: is nepomuk semantic desktop disabled and the strigi?
[18:50] <kamilnadeem> why is the cog thing appearing ?
[18:50] <phoenix_firebrd> kamilnadeem: you can try the kubuntu-low-fat-settings but you have to sacrifice the look
[18:51] <phoenix_firebrd> kamilnadeem: the update notifier is starting and checking for updates
[18:51] <JuJuBee> phoenix_firebrd: Finally got it working.  Weird, had same settings as before but decided to work this time...
[18:51] <kamilnadeem> why all this has happened just after that Ubuntu one install ?
[18:51] <phoenix_firebrd> JuJuBee: enjoy
[18:51] <kamilnadeem> it was working fine before that
[18:51] <phoenix_firebrd> kamilnadeem: are you using any other gtk apps?
[18:52] <kamilnadeem> yeah
[18:52] <phoenix_firebrd> kamilnadeem: what?
[18:52] <kamilnadeem> Firefox, chromium and some others
[18:52] <phoenix_firebrd> kamilnadeem: right
[18:52] <phoenix_firebrd> kamilnadeem: goto muon
[18:53] <JuJuBee> thanks
[18:53] <kamilnadeem> Akonadi has not autostarted as always
[18:53] <phoenix_firebrd> kamilnadeem: on the catagory list select gnome environment
[18:53] <kamilnadeem> ok
[18:53] <{[Violeta]}> cromium hace lento a ubuntu11.04 con 5 ventanas lag
[18:53] <phoenix_firebrd> kamilnadeem: in the status select installed
[18:54] <kamilnadeem> yes
[18:54] <phoenix_firebrd> kamilnadeem: how many packages do you have there?
[18:54] <kamilnadeem> 7
[18:55] <phoenix_firebrd> kamilnadeem: thats normal
[18:55] <kamil> When I'm trying to make a startup USB it gives me error invalid version string GNU/Linux
[18:55] <kamil> What can i do with it?
[18:56] <kamilnadeem> kamil what are you using to create the disk>?
[18:56] <kamil> Asistent of startup disk(I dont know how is it translated(I have polish version))
[18:57] <kamil> when it wants to install bootloader it gives me this message
[18:57] <kamilnadeem> Use Unetbootin
[18:57] <kamilnadeem> install it via software centre
[18:59] <kamil> I cannot open it
[18:59] <kamilnadeem> oh k
[19:00] <kamilnadeem> open a konsole
[19:00] <kamil> dolphin is not showing it to me. When i press it in Google Chrome it gives me error
[19:00] <kamil> OK
[19:00] <kamil> got it
[19:00] <kamil> What now?
[19:00] <kamilnadeem> wait
[19:01] <kamil> OK
[19:01] <kamilnadeem> type this fdisk -l
[19:01] <phoenix_firebrd> brb
[19:01] <kamilnadeem> and give me the output
[19:01] <kamilnadeem> ok phoenix
[19:01] <kamilnadeem> use pastebin
[19:03] <kamil> fdisk -l is not working
[19:03] <kamilnadeem> sorry sudo fdisk -l
[19:04] <kamilnadeem> just copy "sudo fdisk -l" without the quotes and paste it in the konsole
[19:04] <kamil> Got it, but here is so many informations
[19:04] <kamilnadeem> yes select all  and paste it in paste.ubuntu.com
[19:05] <kamil> http://paste.ubuntu.com/720994/
[19:06] <kamilnadeem> ok so what sdc is your 8gb pen drive but what is the size of your external hd
[19:07] <igor_> hola
[19:07] <kamilnadeem> ello
[19:07] <kamilnadeem> kamil please be a little quick in response its late here
[19:07] <kamil> External HDD is 1 TB
[19:08] <kamilnadeem> ok
[19:08] <kamil> My pen is /dev/sdc1
[19:08] <kamilnadeem> yes
[19:08] <kamilnadeem> quit the konsole
[19:08] <kamil> OK
[19:08] <kamil> Got it
[19:08] <kamilnadeem> check that wether youre pen drive is formatted or not
[19:09] <SunTsu> kamil: no, it's not. it's /dev/sdc. /dev/sdc1 is the first partition on it
[19:09] <kamilnadeem> via partition manager if not then format it using fat32 just don't mount it
[19:09] <kamil> Formating
[19:09] <kamilnadeem> SunTsu  I have to make him use d to create a live usb
[19:09] <kamil> End
[19:10] <kamilnadeem> done  kamil
[19:10] <kamil> Done
[19:10] <kamil> Whatever
[19:10] <kamilnadeem> ok again open konsole
[19:10] <kamil> Got it
[19:10] <kamilnadeem> press the up key
[19:10] <SunTsu> kamilnadeem: I was just correcting a minor error, which can be crucial in understanding what's going on
[19:10] <kamilnadeem> seeing the previous command
[19:10] <kamil> Yes
[19:11] <kamilnadeem> press enter
[19:11] <kamil> Password and got it again
[19:11] <kamilnadeem> yes
[19:11] <kamil> Now what?
[19:11] <kamilnadeem> just don't paste it
[19:11] <kamilnadeem> what are you seeing at ssdc
[19:11] <kamilnadeem> sdc*
[19:11] <kamil> /dev/sdc: 8004 mb
[19:11] <kamilnadeem> great
[19:12] <kamil> Got one partition
[19:12] <kamilnadeem> now let the konsole be open
[19:12] <kamil> OK
[19:12] <kamilnadeem> where is the rescutax iso
[19:12] <kamil> Downloaded
[19:12] <kamilnadeem> no I mean which folder
[19:12] <kamil> Boh
[19:13] <kamil> /home/kamil/Pobrane
[19:13] <kamilnadeem> ok
[19:13] <kamil> Now what?
[19:14] <kamilnadeem> here  sudo dd if=/home/kamil/Downloads/Softwares/pmagic-6.7.iso of=/dev/sdb
[19:14] <kamil> Copy everything after "here"?
[19:14] <kamilnadeem> no
[19:14] <kamil> so?
[19:15] <phoenix_firebrd> kamilnadeem:  i cant see any other problem except nepomuk, virtuoso, akonadi and apt-check using a lot of resources at boot, try disabling all these and find what triggers apt-check
[19:15] <kamil>  sudo dd if=/home/kamil/Downloads/Softwares/pmagic-6.7.iso of=/dev/sdb
[19:15] <kamil> :D
[19:15] <kamilnadeem> type it with changing Downloads with Probane adn iso wit your iso file
[19:15] <kamilnadeem> sdb with sdc
[19:16] <SunTsu> .o0( Why not use unetbootin? )
[19:16] <kamilnadeem> is this the name of the file rescatux_cdrom_usb_hybrid_i386_486-amd64_0.29.iso
[19:17] <kamil> Yes
[19:17] <kamilnadeem> here sudo dd if=/home/kamil/Probane/rescatux_cdrom_usb_hybrid_i386_486-amd64_0.29.iso of=/dev/sdc
[19:17] <kamilnadeem> please check have you provided the correct folder
[19:18] <kamil> sudo dd if=/home/kamil/Pobrane/rescatux_cdrom_usb_hybrid_i386_486-amd64_0.29.iso of=/dev/sdc
[19:18] <phoenix_firebrd> kamilnadeem: sorry i forgot , i think you cant create a bootcd/usb using the stock apps
[19:18] <kamilnadeem> yes phoenix
[19:18] <kamilnadeem> kamil what is your username
[19:18] <kamil> where?
[19:18] <kamilnadeem> man what username you gave while installing Kubuntu
[19:19] <kamil> smithinger44(I think)
[19:19] <kamil> or kamil
[19:19] <kamil> Console is doing nothing
[19:19] <kamilnadeem> open kick off what you see on the top of the kick bar
[19:20] <kamil> What is kick off?
[19:20] <kamil> Alt + F2?
[19:20] <kamilnadeem> no the big K icon on the botton pannel
[19:20] <kamil> Ahh. User kamil
[19:20] <kamilnadeem> click on it
[19:21] <phoenix_firebrd> see you all later
[19:21] <kamil> bye
[19:21] <kamilnadeem> is it in the brackets
[19:21] <kamilnadeem> Bye pheonix
[19:21] <kamil> There is nothing in brackets
[19:21] <phoenix_firebrd> bye kamilnadeem , kamil
[19:21] <kamilnadeem> kamil open dolphin
[19:21] <kamil> There is User kamil on kamil- my computer name
[19:22] <kamilnadeem> and go  to teh folder of your iso
[19:22] <kamil> Something happend. Console gave me something end opened partition manager
[19:22] <kamilnadeem> what does it says
[19:23] <kamil> number+0 readed records
[19:23] <kamil> number+0 saved records
[19:23] <kamilnadeem> and
[19:23] <kamil> Copied number bites...
[19:23] <kamil> 319 mb
[19:24] <kamilnadeem> great
[19:24] <kamilnadeem> its done
[19:24] <kamil> Why?
[19:24] <kamil> What can i do now?
[19:24] <kamilnadeem> man you have a live usb now
[19:24] <kamilnadeem> do you have the link of rescutax video
[19:24] <kamil> Lol. Man. You are f******* amazing
[19:24] <kamil> No.
[19:25] <kamil> But, i remember what to do.
[19:25] <kamilnadeem> no explicitives
[19:25] <kamilnadeem> ok good
[19:25] <kamilnadeem> shutdown and remove your external hd
[19:25] <kamil> explictives? Wtf?
[19:25] <kamilnadeem> first
[19:25] <kamil> OK.
[19:25] <kamilnadeem> then you know the deal
[19:25] <kamilnadeem> OK
[19:25] <kamil> Start up with USB. And restore MBR
[19:25] <kamilnadeem> yes
[19:25] <kamil> Thanks mate.
[19:26] <kamil> Bye
[19:26] <kamilnadeem> Bye
[19:37] <stoneman> can someone paste content from his ./profile file ???
[19:39] <Daskreech> stoneman: what are you looking for?
[19:39] <yofel> stoneman: /etc/skel/.profile is the default
[19:40] <stoneman> i
[19:40] <stoneman> somehow i deleted ./profile file
[19:40] <stoneman> and i can't start GUI
[19:40] <Daskreech> stoneman: There is no ~/.profile in Ubuntu
[19:41] <yofel> Daskreech: there is
[19:41] <stoneman> yes there is
[19:41] <yofel> although it doesn't do more than make sure .bashrc is read
[19:41] <stoneman> there are enviroment
[19:41] <stoneman> variables
[19:41] <Daskreech> stoneman: if you put it there. thre is a ~/.bash_profile and a /etc/skel/profile
[19:41] <Daskreech> everythign is in ~/.bashrc
[19:42] <yofel> just copy the one from /etc/skel/ if you need it
[19:42] <Daskreech> yofel: ^^
[19:42] <stoneman> ok i will try that... can this be reason why i can start GUI
[19:42] <Daskreech> stoneman: perhaps. can yo pastebin your ~/.xsession-errors ?
[19:42] <yofel> you should probably rather look in ~/.xsession-errors for a reason the gui doesn't start
[19:43] <stoneman> heh i'll do that..
[21:01] <ale_> any way to install rekonq 0.8 on lucid?
[21:09] <well_laid_lawn> !info rekonq lucid
[21:10] <ale_> i got ver 0.6.6-git or svn, i don't remember... ver 0.8 is out
[21:14] <EvilRoey> hi
[21:14] <EvilRoey> hey why is it that when I tyhpe http://.. into the URL bar, as soon as I hit the ':', Firefox replaces it all with www.slashdot.org ???
[21:16] <Daskreech> ale_: compile it would be one way
[21:17] <ale_> i'm gettin' wrong or shoul i also compile the whole kde 4.7?
[21:17] <Daskreech> EvilRoey: because anyone knowing what http:// is is strange and a corner case and should be coded around
[21:18] <Daskreech> ale_: I don't know. You can ask in rekonq what the min version required for rekonq 0.8 is
[21:18] <EvilRoey> browser.urlbar.trimURLs = false
[21:18] <ale_> not a bad idea :D
[21:18] <EvilRoey> Daskreech:  THAT'S what it was.
[21:19] <Daskreech> EvilRoey: But I suppose if you do know what http is then obviously you read slashdot
[21:20] <EvilRoey> sure
[21:20] <EvilRoey> I mean I remember something about this on /.
[21:20] <EvilRoey> but now I realize what it was.
[21:20] <EvilRoey> grrrrRRRRRRRRR firefox...
[22:46] <Engromada> I've got DSL installed to a USB drive for booting from. Anyone know if i can boot that DSL install using QEMU so that i may use it either booted properly or from inside another OS?
[22:48] <hexacode> hey you guys in the top command or utility, the third row displays some cpu info...but i dont understand what it means...anyone got any good pointers?   it seems to show cpu usage; however, i dont know what the differences are since all of them have different suffixes
[22:49] <Daskreech> Engromada: You can
[22:49] <Engromada> @Daskreech thanks, you're officially superior to google.
[22:51] <Daskreech> hexacode: That's explained in the manual for top
[22:52] <hexacode> oh lol
[22:53] <hexacode> Daskreech: umm i dont think so
[22:53] <hexacode> i greped the manual Daskreech
[22:53] <hexacode> only found a few cpu entries and none seem to be what i want
[22:53] <Daskreech> hexacode: check CPU states
[22:53] <hexacode> oh its all caps?
[22:53] <Daskreech> Maybe :)
[22:53] <hexacode> thanks
[22:53] <Daskreech> I don't know what version you have
[22:54] <hexacode> neither do i lol. how do i look that up ?
[22:54] <hexacode> dpkg ?
[22:55] <Daskreech> umm Not sure it would be tied to the version of top that you have so top --version ?
[22:55] <hexacode> 3.2.8
[22:56] <hexacode> hey thats pretty cool. does the --version argument work on all utilities and programs?
[22:58] <Roey> HOwdy... is there anything funky with installing NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-285.05.09.run  on KUbuntu 11.10?
[22:58] <Roey> *Howdy, Kubuntu
[23:00] <Daskreech> hexacode: pretty much
[23:00] <Roey> hola Daskreech
[23:00] <Daskreech> Well I've seen Roey and EvilRoey in the same room
[23:00] <Daskreech> so none of them are batman
[23:00] <hexacode> thanks Daskreech
[23:01] <Engromada> hexacode: been wondering... how did you grep the man files for top?
[23:01] <Daskreech> Engromada: press /
[23:02] <Daskreech> Engromada: all manfiles are tarballed. Running man untarballs them then pipes the contents into your pager (normally less)
[23:02] <Daskreech> in less you can press / to initiate search
[23:02] <Engromada> oh! thanks
[23:02] <Roey> yeahhhh we're brothers.  One resides at home and the other at work.
[23:03] <Roey> Which package contains the nv driver??
[23:04] <Roey> Why don't I have 'nv' with the Kubuntu 11.10 nvidia packages?
[23:04] <Daskreech> Roey: the kernel
[23:04] <Roey> what of it
[23:04] <Roey> Daskreech:  it's not a module?
[23:04] <Roey> in kubuntu 11.10?
[23:05] <Daskreech> Roey: It's a kernel module. Would make sense to come with the kernel
[23:06] <Roey> ok
[23:06] <Roey> I do modprobe nv
[23:06] <Roey> and I get:  FATAL: Module nv not found.
[23:07] <Daskreech> nv might be deprecated for nouveau
[23:07] <Roey> holy hell
[23:07] <Roey> ok,
[23:08] <Roey> so I tried installing it directly from the NVIDIA.sh
[23:08] <Roey> and it failed.  I looked in /var/log/nvidia-installer.log, and it told me to look at /var/log/nvidia-installer.log for errors.
[23:08] <Daskreech> Roey: normally you need to kill X for that
[23:09] <Roey> Daskreech:  this was without X running
[23:10] <Daskreech> k
[23:10] <Roey> where else could I look to for errors?
[23:10] <Daskreech> don't know. Last time I ran a nVidia it was a TNT and I tend to use open drivers in any case
[23:10] <Daskreech> Roey: jump into #phoronix and ask
[23:12] <Roey> oh ok
[23:12] <Roey> brb, thanks!
[23:45] <Engromada> I'm looking into window managers that are good to use without a mouse, thus far I've looked into fluxbox and awesome. Anyone have any recomendations?
[23:47] <Daskreech> Engromada: ratposion
[23:49] <Engromada> Brilliant name on that!
[23:49] <Daskreech> :-)
[23:52] <Wensley> hi folks, I just got my first 64-bit machine and I'm wondering if you'd recommend I go for the 64-bit install or stick with a 32-bit install
[23:52] <Wensley> I guess what I'm asking is, how many things are broken?
[23:54] <Engromada> Daskreech: That's way more the sort of thing i was looking for! Thanks again.
[23:55] <Daskreech> Wensley: Flash from time to time.
[23:55] <Daskreech> Everything else works pretty perfect
[23:55] <Daskreech> Engromada: though you would liek that