[01:41] <jdrs> I see other kernel versions of modules in /lib/modules/. Should I keep all of them or just the module for my current kernel version?
[02:15] <Daskreech> jdrs: keep the libs/modules for the kernels you have installed
[02:15] <Daskreech>  if one kernel screws up you can just load another one
[02:16] <jdrs> Okay, thanks.
[02:19] <jdrs> But, if I ever want to risk it, how do I remove them? just rm -rf?
[02:22] <Daskreech> uninstall the kernel they are based on
[02:22] <Daskreech> It will pull all the depends with it
[02:22] <jdrs> I did that. It left the modules in.
[02:24] <Daskreech> initramfs should clean it up on the next update then
[02:27] <jdrs> I've done that many times before, didn't clean it. But anyway, I guess I'll keep them for now.
[02:28] <jdrs> Thanks.
[02:35] <uglyoldbob> i am having a problem getting correct colors with the radon driver on my ati radeon hd 5770 (mythfrontend is the application i am using)
[02:37] <uglyoldbob> hmm well changing to opengl high quality solves that so nevermind
[02:37] <Daskreech> \o/
[02:59] <Daskreech> Hi kubuntu!
[03:51] <pawan> java
[03:51] <pawan> how to installed java in kubuntu
[03:51] <Phiscribe> sun java or some free alt?
[03:52] <bazhang> !java | pawan have a read
[03:53] <Phiscribe> i guess now days i should say oracle java
[03:58] <jdrs> pawan: This is also a nice step by step guide on how to install oracle jdk http://www.liberiangeek.net/2012/04/install-oracle-java-jdk-7-in-ubuntu-12-04-precise-pangolin/
[05:45] <analex> I swear I'm loving Kubuntu PP
[05:45] <DarthFrog> Your love will be requited.
[05:48] <analex> wel, I've been on and off kubuntu from Feisty Fawn, and it has evolved....
[05:48] <DarthFrog> As have you.
[05:48] <DarthFrog> You sound like you're now where you need to be.
[05:49] <analex> I sure am... No Mor Windows on my laptop....
[05:49] <analex> More*
[05:50] <analex> connectivity issues sorted out, was hell to connect to my wi-fi with feisty fawn
[06:02] <pawan> how to configure kubuntu for wireless lan
[06:04] <analex> which version of kubuntu are u using???
[06:26] <Daskreech> hi linuxguy101
[06:27] <linuxguy101> hi
[06:28] <decci> Need help on http://pastebin.com/cqMTkg60
[07:39] <loppra> hi
[07:40] <loppra> I have a question what is the version of kde included in the live cd or cd
[07:40] <hateball> loppra: On 12.04?
[07:40] <loppra> yes on 12.04
[07:40] <hateball> That would be 4.8
[07:42] <loppra> oh and the kde 4.9 is avalible in updates or this is not stable sorry for my english
[07:54] <hateball> loppra: there is a backport, but it will be in 12.10
[07:55] <hateball> loppra: so you can install 12.04 now, and do-release-upgrade once 12.10 is released
[08:07] <Mamarok> loppra: but the kubuntu backports PPA is shipping stable packages, so you can upgrade to 4.9 if you want to
[08:07] <Mamarok> the Kubuntu PPA are maintained by the Kubuntu developers
[08:11] <loppra> ok thanks hateball
[11:42] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:47] <phil___> Hi BluesKaj
[11:48] <starlook> Hi. here in Brazil 08:48 AM
[11:49] <starlook> i have a kubuntu 12.04 and want to install 12.10-alpha3
[11:49] <starlook> can i to install 12.10 alpha3 without format the partition and with same user name.???
[11:50] <starlook> i dont want to lost files
[11:50] <starlook> i dont want to lost home user folders
[11:50] <starlook> but, i want the news configurations of kde clean
[11:51] <starlook> it s possible?
[11:56] <hateball> starlook: you can "do-release-upgrade -d" to do an upgrade, which will keep all user data intact. But you would have to manually clean out your KDE config
[11:56] <hateball> I dont remember if there's some fancy command to clean it all out
[11:57] <starlook> the release-upgrade go to the alpha-3 version?
[11:58] <sagaci> starlook, as with upgrading to any release, make sure you backup and cross your fingers
[11:59] <starlook> hehehehe  tks.  i will to install with the new iso file in a CD
[11:59] <starlook> i have to correct any bugs....    my xrandr is in bug
[11:59] <hateball> Well that will overwrite your install
[12:00] <starlook> i will dont to format
[12:00] <starlook> my question is, if a have to trade the user name for the kde clean instalation or if a can to keep the same user name.
[12:01] <BluesKaj> hateball, why would he have to clean out KDE conf ig ?
[12:01] <hateball> BluesKaj: He wouldnt, but he asked
[12:02] <hateball> Assuming I understood it correctly
[12:02] <hateball> Sometimes you just want to go back to defaults I guess
[12:04] <BluesKaj> starlook, you could do an new install to / if you have a /home partition
[12:09] <starlook> i dont have a /home in a separate partition, all files in a / partition.
[12:09] <starlook> i dont want to format the partition.
[12:09] <starlook> i will hope that the instalation overwrite the system files only
[12:10] <starlook> i will to create a new user name for the kde configuration to come clean
[12:10] <starlook> [sorry for the bad english]
[12:13] <BluesKaj> starlook, then do what hateball suggested
[12:13] <hateball> starlook: Do an online upgrade, otherwise you will lose your user-data if you don't have separate /home
[12:14] <starlook> all right
[12:14] <starlook> tks everybody
[12:14] <BluesKaj> starlook, good luck :)
[12:15] <starlook> in the last option...  I can to perform a full backup of my files... and to install with the format / option enabled
[12:15] <starlook> all clean
[12:15] <starlook> :)
[12:15] <starlook> tks for the assistance
[12:23] <BluesKaj> 'morning , monkeyjuice
[12:26] <monkeyjuice> morning BluesKaj
[12:26] <monkeyjuice> nice day we get today
[12:26] <BluesKaj> cloudy and foggy here
[12:27] <monkeyjuice> hmmm clear here so its coming ;)
[12:29] <BluesKaj> well, I think you may get what we have later, it;s a large system
[12:30] <monkeyjuice> must be turning around then
[12:35] <BluesKaj> sorry , it's already passed you , monkeyjuice
[12:36] <BluesKaj> looking at the weather radar etc
[12:36] <monkeyjuice> looks like it coming a bit from the south to you ..
[12:37] <BluesKaj> riah here tomorrow for sure :(
[12:37] <BluesKaj> rain
[12:38] <monkeyjuice> well its a bit dry so i would take it
[13:03] <lordievader> Good afternoon channel, anyone here with experience in motd?
[13:14] <BluesKaj> hi lordievader , message of the day ? .. http://parkersamp.com/2010/10/howto-creating-a-dynamic-motd-in-linux/
[13:14] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Yes, it seems it isn't being generated on logon.
[13:15] <BluesKaj> where in the server text or the chat ?
[13:16] <lordievader> BluesKaj: On my server box, it should generate it when I logon with ssh, but it refuses to do so.
[13:18] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Might be onto something here though.
[13:18] <BluesKaj> oh lordievader , i thought you meant here in IRC
[13:21] <lordievader> Hmm perhaps it just needs a reboot...
[13:25] <antonio_starconi> Hi all, after a clean install of kubuntu 12.04 i can see only a black screen with the mouse pointer after the login process. On pressing Shift+Alt+F12 the desktop appears.
[13:26] <antonio_starconi> There is a way to fix this?
[13:29] <BluesKaj> antonio_starconi, does everything else seem ok , after the desktop appearing ?
[13:29] <antonio_starconi> yes
[13:32] <antonio_starconi> I have installed drivers, software and also partitions... everything seems going fine
[13:33] <BluesKaj> antonio_starconi, just a blank screen and cursor , but no prompt , correct?
[13:34] <antonio_starconi> correct, but if I press Ctrl+Esc the System Monitor try to appear but I see only the upper bar with title
[13:35] <antonio_starconi> sorry for my english
[13:36] <Kvaks> Any bash experts here? I want to quickly paste a script into a file and set it executable. What's wrong with the following:
[13:36] <Kvaks> pastescript () { cat << EOF >> $1 ; chmod +x $1;}
[13:38] <lordievader> Ah fixed it, needed to enable Pam in my sshd_config file.
[13:40] <BluesKaj> antonio_starconi, look in system in the kmenu , additional drivers , choose the recommended driver if there is a choice there , it will install the correct driver for your graphics setup
[13:41] <antonio_starconi> I have done this step, but it does not work
[13:41] <antonio_starconi> even with drivers when I reboot I get a black screen
[13:44] <antonio_starconi> I have also installed xubuntu on a dedicated HD, all works well; then I have installed kde-desktop to try, but  I got the same result
[13:46] <BluesKaj> antonio_starconi,  do you have compiz installed ?
[13:48] <BluesKaj> antonio_starconi, and can you enable desktop effects in system settings ?
[13:49] <antonio_starconi> I must see, I have finished the installation half an hours ago
[13:50] <antonio_starconi> I can't use desktop effects,  just tryed
[13:50] <BluesKaj> antonio_starconi, which graphics card do you have ?
[13:50] <antonio_starconi> Nvidia 5700 LE
[13:52] <antonio_starconi> my setup: amd athlon 2800+, 2 gb ram, Nvidia 5700LE 256Mb
[13:54] <BluesKaj> antonio_starconi, I'm thinking you might be better off with the default nouveau driver , since your nvidia card is fairly old
[13:56] <antonio_starconi> It is strange, the motherboard has a worst graphic card onboard and Kubuntu 11.04 runs well with effects
[13:57] <BluesKaj> antonio_starconi, look here , this will help ,  http://dragly.org/2012/05/04/installing-the-nvidia-driver-in-kubuntu-12-04/
[13:58] <antonio_starconi> ok, thank you... I will have a look and I hope it works!
[14:00] <BluesKaj> antonio_starconi,  pay close attention to the commands section of that page
[14:01] <antonio_starconi> there is something wrong? I am not expert....
[14:01] <george> Hi. I was wandering if amaok 2.6 was already out for update (Kubuntu 12.04). So I went sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade. Nothing. I went sudo apt-get upgrade amarok and nothing, and then sudo apt-get install amarok and nothing. But I got a message saying that amarok is set to manual install. Did I change anything? if so, how can I change it back? Thanks in advance.
[14:02] <BluesKaj> antonio_starconi, no the commands look correct to me ..it should work for you
[14:03] <antonio_starconi> ok, I'll try now
[14:04] <BluesKaj> george, if you tried to install amarok from the repos that should be sufficient , but if you're trying for a newer alpha or beta version then the amarok site should have a link to either a ppa , adeb file or a tar
[14:06] <george> BluesKaj: Amarok is the default audio player, so it was already installed. I have kubuntu-backports ppa, so, i was expecting to an automatic update, as always, but I'm afraid that running those commands and getting that message I actually messed it up. what do you say?
[14:06] <george> BluesKaj: amarok 2.6 was released two days ago.
[14:07] <lordievader> george: You need to backports ppa, then it should be available.
[14:07] <lordievader> george: See http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/Download:Kubuntu
[14:07] <george> lordievader: yes, i have kubuntu-backports ppa.
[14:08] <BluesKaj> george, did you run upgrade and dist-upgrade
[14:08] <lordievader> george: If you can't update to 2.6 I guess it the repo isn't updated yet, if you really want it you'll need to tar-ball.
[14:08] <george> BluesKaj: yes.
[14:09] <BluesKaj> george, the lordievader's post above is probly the case
[14:09] <BluesKaj> then'
[14:09] <george> lordievader: i'd rather wait, guess i was too impacient.
[14:10] <lordievader> george: I'm updating now to the backports, I'll let you know if I get 2.6
[14:10] <george> BluesKaj: ok, but, yet, does the message saying that amarok is set to manually install means anything? Did I change anything?
[14:10] <george> lordievader: ok.
[14:10]  * BluesKaj still doesn't understand the appeal of amarok ..reminds me of wmp , tries to too much without asking , it's presumptuous that everyone wants playlists ..I hate playlists :)
[14:11] <hateball> I havent used a local media player in years, since Spotify became linux native ;b
[14:19] <antonio_starconi> BluesKaj, now it works! Thank you very, very much! My hero! : )
[14:24] <superluminal6> how do I remove ark without removing kubuntu itself?
[14:24] <superluminal6> I want file roller to take over
[14:24] <superluminal6> in every way possible
[15:38] <markit> hi, what's the difference among "Muon software center" and "Muon software manager"?
[15:56] <Riddell> kubuntu.org/news/amarok-26
[15:59] <swex> can't compile amarok 2.6
[16:00] <swex> make[2]: *** [lib/amarok_collection-mysqlecollection.so] Error 1
[16:00] <szal> sounds like a question for #amarok
[16:00] <swex> szal, thx
[16:22] <jmbeck> markit: The software center groups things into applications. The manager is lower-level, and helps manage the packages that make up whole applications.
[16:22] <jmbeck> ... is how I understand it.
[16:22] <markit> jmbeck: mmm one seems KDE other "generic"
[16:23] <markit> don't understand this duplication
[16:24] <jmbeck> I think that's because "generic" is REALLY generic. As in, "I want the 64-bit version of yesterday's GPG package blah"
[16:24] <jmbeck> Instead of "Just install the version of GPG that has a KDE front end. Latest version please."
[16:37] <mortasoft> hola
[16:38] <mortasoft> hiiiiii
[16:38] <Pici> hi
[16:38] <mortasoft> i just installed kubuntu
[16:41] <mortasoft> can I install the ubuntu software center in kubuntu?
[16:41] <mortasoft> this Muon Softrware center is basic
[16:45] <jmbeck> mortasoft: Just out of curiousity, what do you mean by "basic"?
[16:46] <mortasoft> I cant see the current downloads
[16:46] <mortasoft> i cant cancel a download in queue
[16:48] <mortasoft> its too minimalist
[16:50] <jmbeck> ahh, I see.
[16:53] <jmbeck> Well, I think you can install the Ubuntu version, but I think the packages it shows are more geared toward Gnome. Not sure though.
[16:54] <vsrao> mortasoft: You can always use the Muon Package Manager.
[17:03] <mortasoft> ok ill try it!
[17:03] <mortasoft> Thanks
[17:09] <svt_raiden_> hey guys
[17:10] <svt_raiden_> anybody who has exeprience with puppet-enterprise?
[17:10] <BluesKaj> svt_raiden_, never heard of it
[17:12] <c2tarun> something happened to my ktorrent and menu items got gigantic. http://imagebin.org/224660 can anyone please tell me why and how to fix?
[17:59] <samfisher> hi. i have an ati video card on my notebook and using kubuntu 12.04 i cannot get the desktop effects. they work, but in slowmo
[17:59] <samfisher> dunno what drivers to use, i'm very frustrated
[18:04] <nuno_nunes> hi
[18:17] <BluesKaj> samfisher, have you tried the recommended driver in kmenu>apps.system>additional drivers, if listed?
[18:17] <samfisher> BluesKaj: no, let me check
[18:25] <samfisher> BluesKaj: i donidon't have
[18:26] <markit> why firefox has a special installer in the menu? Isn't the same install it from command line or from Muon tool?
[18:27] <BluesKaj> samfisher, lspci | grep VGA , will tell us which graphics card you have .
[18:28] <BluesKaj> markit, why do you think , it's there for a purpose , use it :)
[18:28] <markit> BluesKaj: because I want to script the installation of a core set of programs, so I aptitude firefox, but since is has it's own installer, I'm wondering if I will miss something
[18:29] <markit> btw, firefox integration has never be back, correct?
[18:29] <BluesKaj> !aptitude | markit
[18:29] <markit> firefox-kde-support package I mean
[18:31] <aguitel> how configure iptables in kde ?
[18:32] <BluesKaj> !iptables | aguitel
[18:33] <peter1_> Abend
[18:33] <aguitel> BluesKaj, thanks
[18:34] <peter1_>  zeigt mir skype nicht an woran jkann das liegen.
[18:35] <BluesKaj> !de | peter1_
[18:36] <BluesKaj> !de | peter1_
[18:37] <BluesKaj> _: In den meisten Ubuntu-Kanälen wird nur Englisch gesprochen. Für deutschsprachige Hilfe besuche bitte #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #edubuntu-de oder #ubuntu-at. Einfach "/join #ubuntu-de" eingeben. Danke für Dein Verständnis!
[18:43] <trace42> My system went black while I was AFK, I reebooted, now there is something wrong with XWindows video driver or the plasma desktop. The graphical login prompt loads fine and is responsive. But when I log in I get an empty screen. If I start something (firefox, konsole) from a text console it loads, but does not refresh in a timely manner (I see the refresh when it finally occures). The mouse cursor is responsive and hovering over windows decorations wor
[19:02] <pedahzur> Kubuntu, running KDE 4.9.0. Nvidia card that I know is running under OpenGL (glxinfo tells me "direct rendering: Yes").  However, when I try to enabled some desktop effects (Blur, Cover Switch, and Startup Feedback) it tells me they require OpenGL.  Is this a dependency bug?
[19:06] <adminfacias> link-looker
[19:07] <pedahzur> adminfacias: Was that directed at me?
[19:12] <BluesKaj> pedahzur, do you have OpenGL chosen in desktop effects>advanced>composting type ?
[19:13] <pedahzur> BluesKaj: That's it! Thank you!
[19:14] <pedahzur> The "cannot enable" message should be ammended to included that little pointer. :)
[19:15] <pedahzur> Hmm...now to find the repo where that bit of code lives. :)
[19:20] <trace42> What is the easiest (and safest) way to start with a clean desktop i kubuntu? I want to throw all my current settings (at least temporarily) out the door.
[19:26] <OerHeks> trace42, make a second user.
[19:34] <trace42> OerHeks: Sometimes the solution is simple. :-) Thanks.
[19:36] <trace42> My desktop is "broken". So far I know it's not in the user settings and probably not the nvvidia driver (did a apt-get uninstall nvidia-current). Any pointers?
[19:43] <andrewx> just how much is broken in 12.04 ?
[19:43] <andrewx> Tried getting a url from terminal, and its truncated? why?
[19:46] <jaafar> sithlord48: you there?
[19:46]  * jaafar has new and strange information on his audio problem
[19:47] <jaafar> create new user, switch to that user - no audio problems!
[19:54] <BluesKaj> trace42, did you install the recommended nvidia driver in jockey ?
[19:56] <BluesKaj> trace42, alt+f2  jockey
[20:06] <elimary> oi
[20:19] <Daskreech> markit: People wanted firefox to ship with Kubuntu but there isn't enough space on the CD
[20:20] <Daskreech> markit: so a small script was included instead
[20:23] <doctorpepper> hi guys !
[20:23] <Daskreech> Hi!
[20:24] <doctorpepper> can anyone please help me ,  i am running  12.04  and i  have some issue  with the screen going blank  eventhought i diseabled the screensaver
[20:28] <markit> Daskreech: oh, I see, thanks a lot
[20:28] <Daskreech> Maybe it's the monitor?
[20:28] <markit> Daskreech: do you have some info about the "lost" and "I miss a lot" firefox-kde-support?
[20:28] <markit> without it I have a lot of troubles in schools :(
[20:29] <markit> doctorpepper: power saving profiles? Go to system settings... energy... etc
[20:29] <doctorpepper> i doubt it since  i just reinstalled kubuntu   12.04  a week ago  and before the reinstallation   i didnt have this issue
[20:30] <iharp> All my windows are messed up. The top and bottom borders of every window I open up are offset to the right by about an inch.
[20:30] <Daskreech> markit: that was done by someone who couldn't keep up with the accelerated changes that Mozilla put in place
[20:30] <iharp> It doesn't matter if its dolphin or firefox
[20:30] <doctorpepper> markit:  all power saving profiles   have the screensaver  disabled
[20:32] <markit> Daskreech: but should be a trivial thing.. I mean, if I see a pdf link on the web page, when I click that link and I'm asked of download or open, I have "okular" set to open it
[20:32] <markit> if I donwload, go in the download manager window of firefox, right click and select "open", I'm asked "what program do you want to use?"
[20:33] <markit> and I can do $ which okular to find the path
[20:33] <markit> but a student/teacher/avrage user has no clue
[20:33] <markit> nor can select from a reasonable list of possible programs
[20:33] <Daskreech> markit: Right
[20:33] <markit> so they think that "linux sucks" or is simply broken
[20:34] <markit> I see a lot of discussions about GNU/linux be ready for the desktop...
[20:34] <markit> well, as far as I've experienced, are these simple but annoying things that drive people away
[20:35] <markit> so not having FF work fine with KDE is a sad thing for me... maybe the Very Rich Mozilla foundation should have a look
[20:35] <markit> and provide a "standard stable" way to fix it
[20:35] <Daskreech> markit: Don't think we haven't tried
[20:35] <markit> Daskreech: you a developer / packager / manteiner?
[20:35] <Daskreech> Linux is a side project for Mozilla. KDE is a subset of that so not very high on the list of things to conquer
[20:36] <Daskreech> However if someone would code it they would accept it
[20:37] <markit> mmm should be made a kickstart project for it then
[20:38] <markit> I know kde has rekonq, but we can't avoid FF
[20:39] <markit> Daskreech: I could have a look at the firefox-kde-support source, maybe was just a set of scripts
[20:39] <Daskreech> markit: Maybe
[20:40] <Daskreech> if you want you can mail the guy who was doing it before. Get some insight on the code and setup
[20:42] <markit> Daskreech: I'm reading that "A user named "sumski" on the Kubuntu forums is currently maintaining kmozillahelper for Precise."
[20:42] <markit> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kmozillahelper/+bug/949949
[20:42] <markit> at the bottom
[20:42] <BluesKaj> markit, what about a different browser like chromium
[20:43] <BluesKaj> works well here with okular
[20:43] <markit> BluesKaj: I dislike Google goals and policy... they will make desktop work with "apps" and so we will be using proprietary programs only in a short time
[20:43] <markit> in windows Chrome does already this
[20:44] <markit> I dislike Canonical "market" either
[20:44] <markit> I want to keep my freedom, so I try to fight back as much as I can
[20:44] <Daskreech> markit: You might want to ask in #kubuntu-devel
[20:44] <markit> Daskreech: thanks
[20:45] <BluesKaj> it also renders some sites more quickly and accurately than FF, ..and i agree with you about google's  invasive and almost predatory philosophy , but ina pinch , it works , markit
[20:45] <markit> I will tomorrow, right now I'm trying to do some KDE screencasts (in italian) to show basic settings and functionalities
[20:45] <markit> I've seen that people use their M$crap habbits and think KDE is not very good, but is just because they don't know how to use properly
[20:45] <markit> I want to fix it :)
[20:46] <BluesKaj> markit, , i like your attitude :)
[20:46] <markit> BluesKaj: I'm deploying in schools, I want to teach children the "right things", not the convenient ones
[20:46] <markit> BluesKaj: lol :)
[20:47] <BluesKaj> yes markit , accuracy rather than convenience is best in the long run
[20:48] <markit> btw, 12.04 italian translation is not complete i.e. in Dolphin, maybe I'm missing some localization packages? (installed from a live cd)
[20:48] <markit> I mean, dolphin has some items not translated
[20:53] <skreech_> There was a site that you could check translation percentages
[21:01] <andrewx> aside from not being able to get a proper URL from command line, what else is broken in 12.04?
[21:01] <Daskreech> andrewx: hmm?
[21:02] <andrewx> Appears when I try copying a URL from terminal, it gets truncated, why?
[21:02] <andrewx> is there a article I can read about whats "broken" or "defective" in 12.04?
[21:03] <BluesKaj> andrewx, do you have an example ?
[21:04] <andrewx> create a text file or script, with http://  or other URLs. list that script in a console. try right-click to capture url. what happens?
[21:05] <andrewx> never was an issue 10.x LTS
[21:06] <andrewx> on a different subject...
[21:06] <andrewx> has anyone managed to get NASA 'eyes' JRE application to run properly in Kubuntu yet? apparently some applet was being written to Linux to help with that.
[21:07] <andrewx> eyes.nasa.gov or somesuch... connected with Curiosity telementry data/simulation
[21:23] <markit> mm wondering if ppa for backport of 4.9 has also the updated translations
[21:28] <gotwig> hey there
[21:28] <Daskreech> andrewx: It works here
[21:28] <Daskreech> Hi gotwig
[21:29] <gotwig> I think about switching to KDE..
[21:29] <gotwig> I know this is the wrong channel ;D
[21:29] <Daskreech> gotwig: This would be the place actually
[21:29] <gotwig> so, I come from elementary/unity development
[21:29] <gotwig> and it justs sucks to have all these compiz/gtk restrictions :X
[21:30] <Daskreech> andrewx: what gets truncated?
[21:30] <gotwig> I hope to find a very advanced developer plattform
[21:30] <gotwig> :X
[21:30] <Daskreech> gotwig: qt is very good
[21:30] <gotwig> yeah I often heard that
[21:31] <gotwig> but for me unity/elementary is more *elementary*
[21:31] <Daskreech> Fine
[21:31] <gotwig> and I often had graphics problems in the past
[21:31] <gotwig> (1-2) years ago
[21:31] <gotwig> it was not soo smooth
[21:31] <gotwig> but nice that the window manager, kwm?, has e.g antialiased window corners ;P
[21:32] <Daskreech> It is :)
[21:33] <gotwig> soo
[21:33] <gotwig> even I am an ubuntu member, I think about leaving sometime ;P
[21:33] <gotwig> from all this hacky work
[21:34] <gotwig> e.g when I wanted to develop apps, there were SOO much choices, but no real ones
[21:34] <gotwig> ubuntu docs talk about pygtk which does not support python3
[21:34] <gotwig> I just yesterday ported my app from python2 to python3
[21:34] <Daskreech> right
[21:34] <gotwig> so it gets ubuntu 12.10 compatible without installing too many libs
[21:34] <gotwig> and vala is strange
[21:35] <gotwig> couse you dont work wit the real code
[21:35] <gotwig> you work with the code, that is a template for c code which gets compiled
[21:35] <gotwig> and than you run that c compiled code
[21:36] <gotwig> I heard, with new qt
[21:36] <gotwig> you work not just with c++ code
[21:36] <gotwig> but with xml stuff and such stuff?
[21:37] <Daskreech> You can yes
[21:37] <Daskreech> But you can ask about that in #qt if you like
[21:37] <gotwig> and for me
[21:37] <gotwig> it just is unbelievable
[21:37] <gotwig> that such a project can work with soo little man power
[21:38] <gotwig> ok we at the elementary project have far less people, but the kde infrastructure is just , I dont know :O
[21:38] <gotwig> look at ubuntu, nearly all people are users somehow..
[21:38] <gotwig> and when I see the blueprints people work and work...
[21:39] <Daskreech> Little man power? It's owned by Nokia
[21:39] <Daskreech> But ok :-)
[21:39] <Daskreech> unless you mean KDE
[21:39] <Daskreech> but then KDE is bigger than Qt
[21:39] <gotwig> its still
[21:39] <gotwig> very little
[21:39] <gotwig> compared to GNOME/Ubuntu devs
[21:40] <gotwig> and Nokia is giving up KDE
[21:45] <Daskreech> Nokia didn't deal with KDE that much
[21:45] <Daskreech> and I thikn you overestimate the number of devs on Ubuntu :)
[21:46] <Daskreech> in any case You had questions?
[21:46] <gotwig> :-)
[21:46] <gotwig> When I start with KDE, I have to develop an app..
[21:46] <gotwig> but kde already has all it needs xD
[21:51] <gotwig> maybe a cook program :O?
[21:51] <gotwig> I am good at such stuff
[21:52] <gotwig> *recipe manager
[21:52] <gotwig> http://www.kde.org/applications/utilities/krecipes/ damn xD
[21:53] <Daskreech> Yeah I'm supposed to be submitting some code to that soon XD
[21:53] <Daskreech> gotwig: If you like that would be a nice program to help out with
[21:53] <gotwig> such stuff is always outdated
[21:53] <gotwig> lol
[21:53] <gotwig> ;P
[21:53] <gotwig> I believe
[21:54] <Daskreech> There are lots of applications that could be made but really it depends on what you are interested in
[21:54] <Daskreech> gotwig: well it pulls info from the USDA so that's up todate
[21:54] <gotwig> too bad the elementary project does not choose QT as base..
[21:55] <gotwig> are there blueprints to simplify kDE?
[21:55] <Daskreech> but I want to add a module to share recipes amongst people
[21:55] <gotwig> cool
[21:55] <Daskreech> gotwig: Simplify ?
[21:55] <gotwig> yeah so it looks nicer
[21:55] <gotwig> with a friendly face, people call it eye candy
[21:55] <Daskreech> I.. guess?
[21:56] <gotwig> I havent installed it yet
[21:56] <gotwig> ;D
[21:56] <gotwig> I have to checkout the last version
[21:56] <gotwig> oh already finished
[21:56] <Daskreech> tada
[21:56] <gotwig> 10 minutes is not bad lol
[21:56] <gotwig> 12.10
[21:56] <gotwig> ;P
[21:56] <gotwig> see ya
[21:56] <gotwig> in a blue world ^^
[21:57] <FloodBotK1> gotwig: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:57] <gotwig> ..
[22:01] <gotwig_> jo
[22:01] <gotwig_> that was easy, one click
[22:04] <Daskreech> gotwig_: tada!
[22:04] <Daskreech> WElcome to KDE
[22:09] <gotwig_> ok
[22:09] <gotwig_> it still reacts a bit *slow* xDimho
[22:11] <gotwig_> ah, it has problems with my usb sound playback thing..
[22:15] <gotwig> there are things that really dont make sense.
[22:15] <gotwig> :X
[22:15] <gotwig> when I relog it applies my usb audio
[22:16] <gotwig> but I change volume with keyboard keys on HDMI audio?
[22:16] <gotwig> sense?
[22:18] <gotwig> amarok is awsom..
[22:21] <Daskreech> :)
[22:21] <Daskreech> It's pretty good
[22:27] <gotwig> rhythmbox is nothing compared to it
[22:32] <gotwig> ah
[22:32] <gotwig> how can I use jamendo in amarok
[22:33] <gotwig> ah I understand
[22:34] <Daskreech> It's under internet
[22:36] <gotwig> awsom, amarok just crashed
[22:36] <gotwig> :O
[22:36] <gotwig> :(
[22:36] <Daskreech> tada!!
[22:37] <gotwig> why is kde so slow ;P?
[22:37] <gotwig> but also smooth..
[22:38] <gotwig> DAMN, I DONT CARE ABOUT HDMI AUDIO :(
[22:39] <gotwig> I've gotta help out somehow..
[22:39] <gotwig> hm
[22:40] <gotwig> I am gonna translating that thing
[22:40] <Daskreech> Ok jump on the translation mailing list
[22:41] <gotwig> I heard that no longer translations of kubuntu are necesarry
[22:41] <gotwig> just for special case like installer
[22:41] <gotwig> but not for e.g amarok
[22:41] <gotwig> it works now directly over kde?
[23:02] <Daskreech> gotwig: Not sure I understand?
[23:02] <gotwig> Daskreech: where shall I translate?
[23:02] <Daskreech> Kubuntu uses KDE's translations unless something is Kubuntu specific but there are very few such items
[23:03] <Daskreech> gotwig: Ask in #kubuntu-devel
[23:03] <Daskreech> nice people there ;)
[23:29] <gotwig> Daskreech: thanks for your help
[23:29] <gotwig> Daskreech: nighty ;P
[23:30] <Daskreech> night


[04:59] <pbek> since yesterday my snappy builds (e.g. https://code.launchpad.net/~pbek/+snap/hswitch/+build/205732) get an error message "Store upload failed: Authorization failed.". Is this something I can fix myself?
[04:59] <pbek> I guess I post this in #launchpad
[05:06] <jamesh> pbek: have you changed your Ubuntu One password since setting up that recipe?
[05:08] <jamesh> you might be able to get LP to ask for new auth details by updating the recipe to stop uploading to the store, then enable it again
[05:08] <jamesh> if that doesn't help, perhaps ask on #launchpad
[05:50] <pbek> jdstrand: thank you, no, I did no password change
[07:43] <popey> pbek: I had some fail yesterday too
[09:38] <jamesh> Is there something wrong with the google:debian-9-64 spread backend machines? I've been getting a number of CI failures on my PRs that seem to be unrelated to my changes.  It's either a timeout cleaning up the debian VM, or a sometimes a failure in interfaces-network test
[09:48] <Chipaca> jamesh: I'm seeing lots of TLS failures, or timeouts waiting for shutdown
[09:48] <Chipaca> jamesh: also the interfaces-network one yes
[09:48] <Chipaca> jamesh: so, to answer your question, yes :-)
[09:50] <Chipaca> jamesh: I'm hoping whatever it is unglues on its own, because the rest of the team is out
[09:50] <Chipaca> and I'm working on a 20%
[09:50] <Chipaca> or hoping to :-)
[09:56] <zyga> jamesh: I think there's a real race or rare bug on debian
[09:57] <zyga> jamesh: I restarted your branches a few times
[09:59] <Chipaca> zyga: is that about the interfaces-network test?
[09:59] <Chipaca> zyga: also what are you doing here, you're supposed to be off :-)
[10:10] <Chipaca> ooooh
[10:10] <Chipaca> nice one
[10:11] <Chipaca> niemeyer: a spread run just ended in spread throwing an index-out-of-range panic. https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/6y65bmWYgR/ (full log at https://api.travis-ci.org/v3/job/373097606/log.txt )
[10:11] <Chipaca> i'll leave that one up for now
[10:12] <Chipaca> (that's running tests from #5121 fwiw)
[10:12] <mup> PR #5121: interfaces:minor autoconnect cleanup <Simple> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5121>
[11:09] <Chipaca> zyga: I'm getting 'permission denied' with a snap that uses layouts. Is {/: $SNAP/base} a supported layout?
[11:11] <Chipaca> zyga: [316407.549782] audit: type=1400 audit(1525172894.246:2070): apparmor="DENIED" operation="mount" info="failed mntpnt match" error=-13 profile="snap-update-ns.netscape-navigator" name="/" pid=26597 comm="3" srcname="/snap/netscape-navigator/x1/base/" flags="rw, rbind"
[11:11] <Chipaca> fwiw
[11:34] <zyga> Chipaca: re
[11:34] <zyga> Chipaca: layouts on / are unsupported
[11:34] <Chipaca> zyga: mimics on / also?
[11:34] <zyga> Chipaca: correct
[11:34] <zyga> Chipaca: we cannot support that yet
[11:34] <zyga> Chipaca: we might with mimicfs or something
[11:34] <Chipaca> zyga: i tried {/bin: $SNAP/bin} with the base not having /bin and it failed also
[11:34] <zyga> but it would have to be one that is mounted at /
[11:35] <zyga> Chipaca: that's expected
[11:35] <zyga> we cannot make / writable
[11:35] <Chipaca> zyga: I was trying to use layouts as a stepping stone to a base
[11:35] <zyga> (technically)
[11:35] <zyga> Chipaca: nah, use a proper base
[11:35] <Chipaca> zyga: that's a lot more commitment :-) also i _liked_ the idea of using layouts as a steppinig stone to bases
[11:36] <zyga> Chipaca: what do you need to create?
[11:36] <Chipaca> zyga: could a readonly / layout work?
[11:36] <zyga> no
[11:36] <zyga> we cannot do the mimic on /
[11:36] <Chipaca> zyga: i mean i know it doesn't
[11:36] <zyga> so no matter if it writable or not
[11:36] <zyga> maybe use a chroot?
[11:36] <zyga> a snap with a chroot inside would be easier
[11:38] <Chipaca> zyga: nm, i'll get it working
[11:41]  * zyga gets back to cleaning the house
[12:27]  * Chipaca remembers lunch, all of a sudden
[12:58] <Chipaca> "$thing doesn't work as expected" "hm, that looks like $other_thing isn't running automatically, can you start it by hand?" "that's a very generic answer that doesn't apply here"
[12:58] <Chipaca> wellp, glad you know what's going on, person
[13:11] <zyga> Chipaca: Hmm?
[13:12] <Chipaca> zyga: nm
[13:12] <Chipaca> zyga: just me grumbling
[13:12] <zyga> All Good?
[13:13] <Chipaca> zyga: yep
[13:13] <zyga> I’m stuck at a family event
[13:14] <zyga> Waiting till we can run and bike away
[13:59] <pbek> popey: my QOwnNotes build today works, but hswitch is still failing. I'll try re-authenticate be disabling and enabling automatic store uploading
[14:50] <dougie> What's the status of HiDPI on Snap packages? I've tried a few snaps (Such as notepadqq) and there have been problems on my display.
[14:51] <seb128> what sort of problems? are you sure those issues are due to the fact that they are distributed as snaps and not by the upstream code not handling hidpi?
[14:55] <dougie> For Electron apps, I'm noticing that it scales perfectly, but the cursor is super tiny. With Notepadqq, which uses Qt5, the cursor looks fine but the UI is 1/2 the proper scale.
[14:57] <dougie> It appears the tiny cursor issue is also apparent in Chromium.
[14:58] <dougie> The notepadqq issue might go away if I find a way to pass the variable QT_AUTO_SCREEN_SCALE_FACTOR to the snap app.
[15:00] <Chipaca> dougie: if you do 'snap run --shell the-snap', is it set in there?
[15:02] <dougie> Just did that and typed "env". Odd, looks like that variable is already there.
[15:02] <dougie> And it's set to the proper value - 1
[15:03] <Chipaca> dougie: the next step would be to look at how the app is being launched; maybe it's via desktop-launcher and it's somehow fumbling the environment
[15:06] <Chipaca> dougie: or maybe the qt libraries in the snap don't understand hidpi
[15:07]  * Chipaca knows nothing
[15:13] <dougie> Maybe you're right about that. Pretty sure that this thread indicates that: https://github.com/giowck/symphytum/issues/48
[15:21] <Chipaca> dougie: interesting link, i wonder if popey is aware (and if popey is the right person that needs to be aware)
[15:22] <popey> I will take a look,thanks!
[17:44] <popey> om26er: number of android studio installs has doubled in the last week
[19:22] <klaasvakie> hi, I am using Ubuntu 16.04 and have the lxd snap installed. When running the "lxc" command, a "snap" directory appears under my home dir. Is it possible to move this somewhere less visible, like somewhere in .config?
[19:39] <kyrofa> klaasvakie, I'm afraid not, that's where snapd places all snaps' user data
[19:40] <kyrofa> klaasvakie, please see bug #1575053
[19:40] <mup> Bug #1575053: Please move the "$HOME/snap" directory to a less obtrusive location <julyshakedown> <snapd:Confirmed> <snapd (Ubuntu):Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1575053>
[19:42] <klaasvakie> kyrofa, thanks, wow didn't realise I was stepping into such a high profile bug. ... tiptoes away ...
[19:42] <kyrofa> klaasvakie, hahaha
[20:23] <mup> PR snapcraft#2114 opened: meta: stop creating empty snap directory in prime <Created by kyrofa> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2114>
[20:53] <mup> PR snapcraft#2095 closed: lxd: proper error classes for container errors <Created by kalikiana> <Merged by kyrofa> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2095>
[20:56] <mup> PR snapcraft#2115 opened: storeapi: ensure snap ID is sane before using it <Created by kyrofa> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2115>
[21:15] <mup> PR snapd#5122 opened: snap: add support for `snap advise-snap --from-apt` <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5122>
[23:18] <mup> PR snapcraft#2116 opened: storeapi: handle 5xx error codes for all store endpoints <Created by kyrofa> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2116>
[23:24] <mup> PR snapcraft#2117 opened: pluginhandler: correctly dedent the run script <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2117>


[01:30] <ubuntuaddicted> for some reason my machine is looking for the mythbackend server at the wrong IP when using mythweb.
[01:30] <ubuntuaddicted> any thoughts how to fix?
[01:33] <ubuntuaddicted> im getting, Unable to connect to the master backend at <IP_ADDRESS>:6543
[01:34] <ubuntuaddicted> and it should be looking for it at <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:17] <wangel> where does mythtv pull it's epg info from?


[10:27] <doko> jamespage: alembic is stuck in -proposed due to component mismatch
[10:27] <jamespage> doko: ah - yes - noted last week on my list to raise a mir/review that for a delta
[10:28] <jamespage> doko: just had some pxc security updates to clear first (now ready for security team review)
[10:33] <jamespage> doko: managed to drop a bit of required delta - fixing that right now
[14:04] <cpaelzer> when run in autopkgtest I see a set of "tr: write error: Broken pipe" but when logging into the very same guest and runnign again it does not show up
[14:05] <cpaelzer> does the autopkgtest execution have soemthing that comes to your mind that could cause this?
[14:05] <cpaelzer> my login is ssh as reported by autopkgtest on --shel--fail
[14:07] <cpaelzer> I'm trying to debug the tests atm, but lacking a way to reproduce this is hard, so if this might be a known issue to anybody let me know
[15:52] <cpaelzer> if anybody wondered about my question above - I have the solution - shell fragments like the following are the reason
[15:52] <cpaelzer> tr -dc "[:alpha:]" < /dev/urandom | head -c 6
[15:53] <cpaelzer> common at least on search engine hits (https://gist.github.com/paulomcnally/7209bad52c724d19bdd029b4a6631265) and were used in a packages test
[15:53] <cpaelzer> but the tl;dr the first read is more or less unlimited, which might eventually cause the issue
[15:53] <cpaelzer> something like "head -c 100 /dev/urandom | tr -dc '[:alpha:]' | head -c 6" works better
[17:34] <sarnold> cpaelzer: the downside to the second one is that there's a (very small) chance that it won't succeed once in a while
[17:35] <cpaelzer> sarnold: it might be shorter
[17:35] <sarnold> right
[17:35] <cpaelzer> sarnold: but I doubt it will be zero
[17:35] <cpaelzer> shorter is fine for me
[17:35] <sarnold> oh okay
[17:35] <sarnold> sometimes shorter is catastrophic :)
[17:35] <cpaelzer> and one can increase the first number to be "more safe"
[17:35] <cpaelzer> hehe
[19:02] <sil2100> !dmb-ping
[20:53] <kirkland> doko: thanks;  I've merged your debian/control fixes upstream


[12:57] <TLE> Hey, if any of you have been botherede by this bug as well, maybe you could confirm it so we can get attention on it quick: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-2d/+bug/864049
[12:57] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 864049 in unity-2d (Ubuntu) "Please provide translator comment for string "QT_LAYOUT_DIRECTION" (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[12:58] <andrejz> i subbed TLE
[12:58] <andrejz> i think dpm wrote about it somewhere
[12:58] <andrejz> maybe in an email
[12:58] <TLE> thanks
[12:59] <TLE> ok, what was the message?
[12:59] <andrejz> it supposed to be translated LTR
[13:00] <TLE> ok, thanks
[13:00] <andrejz> but he wrote to the developers to add a comment
[13:00] <andrejz> but i am not sure where i read it
[13:00] <andrejz> it was either on irc or mail


[00:34] <cmaloney> Evening
[00:35] <cmaloney> Hm, I got here late, and it looks like I'm the only one here.
[00:35] <cmaloney> feh
[00:53] <brousch> Eh?
[00:54] <brousch> Oh, chc night
[01:29] <cmaloney> yeah
[02:12] <_stink_> where are you guys holding that these days?
[02:12]  * greg-g is at the library doing work because, yeah
[02:13] <cmaloney> _stink_: Bean and Leaf
[02:14] <cmaloney> Just invited you to our secret clubhouse.
[02:15] <cmaloney> https://plus.google.com/communities/105711849406316277146
[02:15] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/rMP9jN - Royal Oak Coffee House Coders - Community - Google+
[02:15] <_stink_> will i be hazed?
[02:15] <cmaloney> not unless you bring pie
[02:15] <cmaloney> otherwise, yeah.
[02:16] <_stink_> hah
[02:16] <_stink_> sweet thanks.
[02:16] <cmaloney> You need to join in order to get our updates
[02:16] <_stink_> roger
[06:07] <greg-g> I think this might end up being useful: http://avoidhumans.com/
[06:07] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/iqUGZf - Avoid Humans
[13:01] <cmaloney> Song of the day: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlkaxyYDBI8
[13:01] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/kormTc - Webb Wilder - Tough it Out - YouTube
[14:13] <mrgoodcat> lol bash was apparently still not fixed
[14:26] <cmaloney> I don't think it'll be fixed
[14:26] <cmaloney> not until they remove that functionality.
[14:27] <cmaloney> It's like fixing SQL Injection
[14:27] <rick_h_> party
[14:32] <mrgoodcat> well there was another update today
[14:38] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: Yeah, and I'm thinking the only way to patch is to not run code from Env. variables.
[14:42] <mrgoodcat> brousch: im waiting for inspiration
[14:43] <mrgoodcat> but really i just started poorly
[15:44] <greg-g> g'morning. 5.5 hours of sleep is not enough for this old man
[15:47] <brousch> Coloniscopy is do ne. I survides,
[15:47] <mrgoodcat> yay
[17:19] <cmaloney> I think the colonoscopy must've hit a nerve or something
[17:28] <_stink_> they went waaaay up there
[17:28] <greg-g> tmi
[17:55] <cmaloney> .np squeekyhoho
[17:55] <bookiebot> squeekyhoho's current track - One of Fail by Kalmah on 12 Gauge
[18:15] <greg-g> when the good barista isn't working and you order a macchiato but get a latte looking thing
[20:59] <brousch> I ended up taking a 3 hour nap afterwards. Just woke up