 PURE nickel and cobalt = no iron. nickel and cobalt can't be FERROmagnetic
[00:14] <daftykins> hrmm o0
[00:16] <ObrienDave> it seems ferro-magnetism is the ability to be attracted to magnets or hold magnetism. ferro does  not imply iron. grrrr, i hate losing ;P
[00:16] <daftykins> hrmm that doesn't make much sense
[00:17] <ObrienDave> it's the characteristic, not the contents of the material
[00:21] <ObrienDave> dang, i hate conceding. grrr
[00:22] <daftykins> :D
[00:22] <daftykins> say it's different where you are, then stroll off
[00:22] <ObrienDave> i concede that ferromagnetism implies the characteristic, not the contents of the material
[00:22] <ObrienDave> [18:20:37] <ObrienDave> and that's all ;P
[00:23] <ObrienDave> naw, you can't change physics no matter where you are LOL
[00:23] <daftykins> :>
[00:32] <ObrienDave> OerHeks, can i choke jeeves_moss?
[00:33] <OerHeks> sure .. CAN YOU TURN IT ON, AND OFF AGAIN?
[00:33] <OerHeks> :-D
[00:34] <ObrienDave> i try to keep it simple for newbies, why make it harder than it needs to be? he can learn DD at a later time. shees
[00:35] <OerHeks> that device has 0 blocks, so it needs to format in fat32 .. or it is a U# device, the Kinston site mentions that.
[00:35] <OerHeks> U3 *
[00:35] <OerHeks> but hey, i am just a poor guy with too many pc's
[00:36] <OerHeks> i wanna get rid of them, beggin on my knees
[00:36] <ObrienDave> yes, but using unetbootin would solve the whole problem without risking everything else.
[00:36] <OerHeks> if it is U3, not
[00:37] <ObrienDave> PS. i have too many PCs also ;P
[00:37] <OerHeks> If they were 1000 mbit, i would make a cluster for fun
[00:37] <ObrienDave> U3 was a sandisk thing, abandoned 4 or 5 years ago
[00:38] <ObrienDave> i still have a U3 sandisk stick somewheres. got rid of u3 when they did
[00:40] <daftykins> XD
[00:41] <daftykins> i brought home this spare core 2 quad for running win10, but having two desktops is such a waste
[00:43] <OerHeks> Somebody put this outside with the trash https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6885560/muziekstand.JPG
[00:43] <OerHeks> :-D
[00:43] <ObrienDave> oh my, i had a chrome one many years ago
[00:44] <OerHeks> I really need this for my air guitar tour
[00:45]  * daftykins spies cat food
[00:45]  * ObrienDave is pushing 60 ;P
[00:45] <ObrienDave> daftykins, MUNCHIES!  LOL
[00:47] <daftykins> no offence to you guys but i did reevaluate my life when i started to realise most of the other volunteers in #ubuntu have a reason for having the time to spare ;)
[00:47] <daftykins> i should be out doing things!
[00:47]  * ObrienDave has no life ;P
[00:47]  * ObrienDave can't afford a life ;P
[00:48] <daftykins> bah things can't be that rough!
[00:48] <ObrienDave> sheesh, been married and broke for 15 years. tell me about it ;P
[00:50] <ObrienDave> what really started it was driving the big-rig. that killed all my finances along with my wife's BS bookkeeping
[00:50] <ObrienDave> still cheaper to keep her ;P
[00:51] <ObrienDave> grrrrr ;P
[00:51]  * ObrienDave mutters, i love my wife, i love my wife, i love my wife ;P
[00:53]  * Daekdroom is annoyed by people that can't use /me properly.
[01:00]  * OerHeks /me properly.
[01:00] <daftykins> Daekdroom: an excellent way to introduce yourself!
[01:01] <daftykins> ObrienDave: trucking then eh, covered most of the country?
[01:05]  * ObrienDave is annoyed by people who have nothing better to do that pick on someone's usage of /me
[01:05] <ObrienDave> *than
[01:06] <ObrienDave> daftykins, yes every state but the extreme NE states
[01:07] <daftykins> so is the Simpsons episode right, there's really a box driving for you? ;)
[01:07] <ObrienDave> LOL never saw that episode
[01:08] <ObrienDave> the last cartoon i enjoyed was Pinky and the Brain LOL
[01:09] <ObrienDave> well, nap time. enjoy the rest of your day *waves*
[04:19] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:24] <OerHeks> hi lotus
[04:28] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: morning mate :p
[04:47] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: morning mate
[04:48] <EriC^^> lotuspsychje: morning
[08:10] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:10] <DJones> Morning
[08:14] <lordievader> Hey DJones, how are you doing?
[08:15] <DJones> Not bad thanks, you?
[08:18] <lordievader> Doing good here.
[13:31] <BluesKaj> Hello all
[16:49] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: evening mate
[16:50] <BluesKaj> Hi lotuspsychje, what's up ?
[16:50] <lotuspsychje> all fine here and you
[16:51] <BluesKaj> good thanks
[16:55] <BluesKaj> it's pita that root 15.10 takes ownership on my second HDD , had to chwon -R /media/user ..wonder whjat's wrong there
[16:56] <lotuspsychje> not sure didnt test wily yet
[16:57] <BluesKaj> well if you have extra drives watch out for that when you install wily
[16:58] <BluesKaj> seem to have more problems with 15.10 this week than before
[20:24] <daftykins> hrmm my channel order got messed with
[20:24] <daftykins> brb
[20:27] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: good evening
[20:30] <daftykins> EriC^^: o/
[20:30] <OerHeks> hi lotuspsychje
[20:30] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: hello mate
[20:30] <daftykins> you keep forgetting us!
[20:30] <OerHeks> daftykins
[20:30] <EriC^^> daftykins: \o
[20:30] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: hi mate
[20:30] <OerHeks> EriC^^
[20:30] <daftykins> hallo all
[20:30] <EriC^^> hi lotuspsychje
[20:30] <daftykins> my connection dropped o0
[20:30] <EriC^^> hi OerHeks
[20:31] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: pay your provider! :p
[20:31] <daftykins> then i had some minor flooding from a serious thunderstorm D:
[20:31] <OerHeks> just found out, my 'old nvidia gt430' has got a non working fan :-(
[20:31] <daftykins> oh dear
[20:31] <daftykins> rob one from a Pentium 1!
[20:31] <OerHeks> i am affraid to detach the fan from card
[20:32] <lotuspsychje> why affraid
[20:32] <daftykins> in case it's structural dust attached? :)
[20:32] <OerHeks> I wonder how i ran that card in my old pc
[20:34] <daftykins> they tend to downclock so nicely that a failed fan only becomes a problem once you're really pushing it?
[20:38] <OerHeks> might be so, and i ran 2 monitors from that card too, with youtube
[20:47] <OerHeks> hmm the actual fanmotor is 5 mm
[20:52] <daftykins> lovely quiet 120mm hanging beside it would do the trick :D
[20:52] <lotuspsychje> put your duscleaner on it :p
[20:52] <daftykins> i put passive cards in for people where i can so that the maintenance task of fan failure never comes up
[20:52] <daftykins> mind you this was back before we had on-die graphics
[20:52] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: with large metal cooling tubes
[20:53] <daftykins> yep them thar heatpipes :>
[20:53] <lotuspsychje> and an ubuntu refrigirator :p
[20:53] <lotuspsychje> with snappy :p
[20:53] <OerHeks> looking @ nvidia 610 passive, or 720
[20:54] <OerHeks> or i just go on using this GeForce 8400
[20:54] <lotuspsychje> yeah use hardware that lays around
[20:54] <lotuspsychje> recycled ubuntu boxes are the best
[20:55] <OerHeks> it is the original that came with this i3
[20:55] <lotuspsychje> lovely
[20:55] <OerHeks> not that strong
[20:55] <lotuspsychje> i3 is plenty to go
[20:56] <OerHeks> but oke, i tried switching videocard, and i attached 2nd tb hdd with old data, time to cleanup
[20:56] <lotuspsychje> okay :p
[21:00] <lotuspsychje> nice helpfull support :p
[21:01] <OerHeks> we'll get better every mistake
[21:02] <lotuspsychje> we learn much out of it
[21:02] <lotuspsychje> its like linux helpdesk
[21:02] <lotuspsychje> ppl get payed for this
[21:09] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: hi there
[21:09] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: the idea is , we do alot of support, but never have a chance to talk to each other
[21:09] <Bashing-om> I am here, you are here, all is good . What's up ?
[21:09] <OerHeks> :-)
[21:09] <lotuspsychje> so this is chill way in between support :p
[21:10] <Bashing-om> That is a great way to communicate, and not pollute the channel ! I am all for it !
[21:10] <OerHeks> off support but ontopic
[21:10] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: and offtopic can get bit crowdy sometimes
[21:11] <daftykins> =]
[21:11] <lotuspsychje> the nice guys are here :p
[21:11] <OerHeks> and i
[21:11] <lotuspsychje> lolll
[21:11] <lotuspsychje> i thought you were a girl OerHeks
[21:12] <OerHeks> Wikipedia is right.
[21:12] <lotuspsychje> :p
[21:13] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/First-Snappy-Ubuntu-Core-15-04-Stable-Version-Is-Out-484013.shtml
[21:13] <lotuspsychje> snappy does good these days
[21:14] <daftykins> i don't like the idea of replacing deb packages though :(
[21:14] <daftykins> i may have to jump ship if that happens
[21:14] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: you mean that apt going to jump to snappy system?
[21:14] <daftykins> yeah
[21:14] <OerHeks> It's the internet of things.
[21:14] <lotuspsychje> but i hears its a safer way
[21:14] <Bashing-om> ^ yeah, too much to learn to quick .
[21:15] <OerHeks> systemd, snappy, xmir
[21:15] <lotuspsychje> its all changing fast :p
[21:15] <OerHeks> or do we need to learn less?
[21:16] <lotuspsychje> if you choose ubuntu as Os, its never ending learning
[21:16] <Bashing-om> less is better ?
[21:17] <lotuspsychje> anyway im off to sleep, tnx for join Bashing-om add to your favs
[21:18] <OerHeks> nighty night lotus
[21:18] <lotuspsychje> nite
[21:18] <Bashing-om> Yeah, You can rely on adding, I would not want to miss anything here !
[21:20] <daftykins> there may be the odd collective grown about question askers ;)
[21:20] <daftykins> oops *groan
[21:21] <Bashing-om> daftykins: But what we do not tell them, will not hurt them . This can ne a need to know basis, no ?
[21:22] <Bashing-om> ne/be*
[21:33] <daftykins> absolutely :)
[22:55]  * ObrienDave waves from Colorado, USA
[22:56] <daftykins> o/
[22:56] <daftykins> all topped up with "volunteer supplies", ObrienDave? :D
[22:56] <ObrienDave> LOL working on it ;P


[07:58] <mup> Bug #1923862 changed: Unable to deploy nodes with only static IPs <MAAS:Triaged by ack> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1923862>
[08:55] <mup> Bug #1897880 changed: Error:Invalid chassis_type: Value must be one of: mscm; msftocs; powerkvm; recs_box; seamicro15k; ucsm; virsh; vmware (not 'lxd')  <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1897880>
[16:14] <mup> Bug #1924590 opened: Allow setting fail_over_mac=active for active-backup bonds <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1924590>
[16:17] <mup> Bug #1924590 changed: Allow setting fail_over_mac=active for active-backup bonds <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1924590>
[16:20] <mup> Bug #1924590 opened: Allow setting fail_over_mac=active for active-backup bonds <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1924590>
[16:23] <mup> Bug #1924590 changed: Allow setting fail_over_mac=active for active-backup bonds <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1924590>
[16:32] <mup> Bug #1924590 opened: Allow setting fail_over_mac=active for active-backup bonds <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1924590>
[21:47] <mup> Bug #1924617 opened: maas writes in /etc/machine-id for custom boot sources <cdo-qa> <foundations-engine> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1924617>
[21:50] <mup> Bug #1924617 changed: maas writes in /etc/machine-id for custom boot sources <cdo-qa> <foundations-engine> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1924617>
[21:53] <mup> Bug #1924617 opened: maas writes in /etc/machine-id for custom boot sources <cdo-qa> <foundations-engine> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1924617>


[03:51] <micahg> knome: not oversized
[15:25] <ochosi> knome: ok, well thanks for publishing it anyway
[15:25] <ochosi> knome: should we probably enable comments on blog posts?
[15:30] <GridCube> i think we should, at least moderated ones
[15:32] <ochosi> hmyeah, that's what i'd suggest as well
[15:32] <ochosi> or even try without moderation (can be a lot of work), but spam-control instead
[15:39] <GridCube> yes
[15:39] <GridCube> that too
[16:59] <pleia2> I don't really care for comments on official news for projects, feels unprofessional
[16:59] <pleia2> people give us feedback on these articles on twitter and g+ already
[17:01] <GridCube> but web2.0, etc...
[17:02] <pleia2> we allow moderated comments on fridge.ubuntu.com, it's awful
[17:02] <pleia2> pretty much all junk, spam, support requests and "I hate unity!"
[17:03] <pleia2> so I'm not all that thrilled with adding another site to my moderation list, the comments on twitter and g+ are good
[17:03] <pleia2> g+ has 7 comments from the most recent post :)
[17:03] <jussi> doesnt everyone hate unity?
[17:04] <pleia2> mostly just the noisy people who think it's appropriate to complain about it on news articles
[17:04] <ochosi> pleia2: mkay, that's a valid concern
[17:05] <jussi> pleia2: sorry, forgot the ":P"
[17:05] <pleia2> :)
[17:08] <Unit193> jussi: That's alright, everyone hates KDE too.
[17:09] <Unit193> Oh wait.... ;)
[17:09] <ochosi> but: everyone loves Xfce <3
[17:09] <astraljava> That won't hit anymore, he's a mac user nowadays.
[17:10] <Unit193> Dowh, I didn't know that....
[17:11] <astraljava> Hihihi.
[17:11] <astraljava> Well he isn't really, just has one
[17:11] <astraljava> Doesn't know how to use it.
[17:20] <astraljava> I know, I'm mean.
[17:20] <Unit193> Hah, I am more in person, because you can detect I'm almost joking better. (Also, wrong channel)
[17:21] <astraljava> True.
[19:44] <knome> i don't have strong feelings about comments, but it's so much easier not to allow them anyway
[20:04] <GridCube> yay! today image is flawless
[20:04] <GridCube> :D
[20:06] <GridCube> knome, i took all the screenshots for the how to install using alternate
[20:06] <GridCube> ... they are quite a lot
[20:07] <knome> GridCube, heh, no problem. we probably do not need every step, or do you think we do?
[20:08] <knome> if we do, it might make sense to push that tutorial to help.ubuntu.com
[20:09] <GridCube> well.. no, they are most pretty obvious, but i say, the more the better :P
[20:10] <GridCube> and i kindda did the whole steps for manual partitioning, without them the number of screenshots reduces to half
[20:10] <GridCube> :P
[20:12] <sean-w> I am unable to boot to x unless I use boot to recovery and then continue to bypass plymouth in beta 2
[20:14] <GridCube> sean-w, did you did something for this to happen?
[20:15] <GridCube> like installing some program?
[20:15] <sean-w> GridCube, No, fresh install
[20:15] <GridCube> mmm
[20:15] <GridCube> weird, its an upgrade?
[20:15] <sean-w> GridCube, I get a kind of wired screen taring, odd colored lines
[20:17] <GridCube> mmm i don't really know
[20:17] <GridCube> what are your specs?
[20:18] <sean-w> GridCube, I had to use the alt install to even install it. The desktop version 'would not advance grathly past the keyboard = adaptive tech tools
[20:18] <GridCube> mmm
[20:18] <sean-w> GPU is a GeForce GTX 560 Ti FPB (Fermi
[20:19] <sean-w> AMD CPU with 16 GB of RAM
[20:20] <GridCube> sean-w, mmmmhm
[20:20] <GridCube> sorry but i dont really know
[20:20] <GridCube> you should wait for smarter people
[21:43] <knome> pleia2, ?


[07:59] <moka> Hello everyone!
[08:00] <moka> I have read that I can ask my questions related to the current Xubuntu Contest here.
[08:01] <moka> *Wallpaper
[11:16] <JackFrost> I don't know much about the contest, so can't really answer.  But yeah this is the place.
[11:19] <ochosi> bluesabre: feel free to ping me ahead of the UI freeze, i probably should merge the gtk4-wip branch to greybird and release it. it's still much better with than without it
[11:41] <moka> My question is: why I see only one of my submitted pictures? other 4 doesn't appear among the submissions.


[11:55] <nikolam> when will mozilla officially support 64-bit x86 build of it's main applications?
[13:42] <bhearsum> nikolam: it is, actually
[13:42] <bhearsum> we just don't publicize it =(
[13:42] <bhearsum> http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/8.0.1/linux-x86_64/
[13:44] <chrisccoulson> and we've supported it since forever :-)
[13:51] <nikolam> And why not publicize it?
[13:52] <bhearsum> nikolam: it's complicated....
[13:52] <bhearsum> i guess i should clarify: it is supported in _most_ senses
[13:53] <bhearsum> but if we had linux 64-bit specific problems, we wouldn't prioritize them highly
[13:53] <nikolam> beacuse...
[13:53] <bhearsum> i don't have the answer to that question
[13:53] <nikolam> All new desktops are 64 bit and there will be less need to support at time goes on that way :)
[13:54] <nikolam> as
[13:54] <bhearsum> yeah
[13:54] <bhearsum> people have said that it's not worth supporting 64-bit directly
[13:54] <bhearsum> because you get increased memory usage over the 32-bit version, f.e.
[13:54] <nikolam> so what.
[13:55] <bhearsum> anyways
[13:55] <bhearsum> it's a question of priorities, and there are many competing things
[13:55] <bhearsum> you can get a better answer on the mozilla.dev.builds newsgroup
[13:55] <chrisccoulson> we also recommend the 32-bit version of ubuntu on our download page: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/download
[13:56] <nikolam> It is just stupid to recommend 32bit. I use 64 bit since, say 2007
[13:56] <nikolam> Next Ubuntu LTS will be 64bit predominant
[13:56] <chrisccoulson> why? for most people, there is no noticeable difference between 32-bit and 64-bit, other than the fact that everything on 64-bit uses more memory....
[13:57] <chrisccoulson> and with pae, you can address more than 4gb with 32-bit
[13:57] <nikolam> Well Distributions (linux) package 64bit binaries. Good enough reason. Why I should use some tweaks to run legacy/32bit when I do not need to?
[13:58] <chrisccoulson> i don't really understand the question there
[13:58] <nikolam> Its not like SunOS where IS the point of having 32 bit, because kernel can run 32 and 64bit at the same time.
[13:59] <nikolam> Anyway, since I am running 64bit, since forever it is very awkward to recommend anything 32bit after 5 years or so...
[14:01] <chrisccoulson> so have i, but it hasn't been completely pain free. like, (until recently) the lack of a 64-bit flash plugin, for example....
[14:01] <chrisccoulson> ...and, no - nspluginwrapper doesn't count, because it's awful
[14:04] <nikolam> I am using 64bit flash plugin also since 2008 I think, if not before..
[14:05] <nikolam> so whats the point. "Most people are statistically on 32bit" yeah ok, but that woulde be less and less important over time.
[14:05] <chrisccoulson> sorry, that doesn't count either. the version of flash you were using was abandoned by adobe for a long time, and didn't receive any security updates whatsoever
[14:06] <nikolam> like i care for flash
[14:06] <chrisccoulson> well, that's up to you. however, most people do, unfortunately
[14:07] <nikolam> I use flash and it works fine on 64bit. I am on ubuntu 64bit since forever.
[14:07] <nikolam> How come it works so fine for me
[14:07] <chrisccoulson> *sigh*
[14:07] <chrisccoulson> you aren't listening are you?
[14:08] <chrisccoulson> flash released a prerelease 64-bit flash plugin ages ago, and then abandoned it until very recently, leaving it to rot in the meantime (ie, no security fixes to fix critical issues fixed in the 32-bit version)
[14:09] <chrisccoulson> it seems that you were (foolishly) using that, but there is no way we would have ever recommended people use that
[14:09] <chrisccoulson> which left the alternative - 32-bit flash + nspluginwrapper
[14:10] <chrisccoulson> and nspluginwrapper is probably the most crashy piece of software in the archive (so bad in fact, that we block it in apport), and breaks with every flash update
[14:10] <nikolam> so what it have to do with mozilla products,  should Mozilla let Adobe's closed product stop entire industry from progress, selecting what platform adobe supports or not.
[14:10] <chrisccoulson> in addition to having endless problems with event handling etc. the flash experience for 64-bit users has been terrible for years (until recently)
[14:11] <nikolam> And flash works fine with me on Ubuntu 64 bit and I also used 32bit before that and it also workes fine. And I do get flash updates in ubuntu, so...
[14:11] <chrisccoulson> it only "worked" for you because you used an outdated prerelease 64-bit flashplugin with unpatched critical security issues
[14:11] <nikolam> Well, if it is flash problem, it is a flash problem. It is not mozilla problem, isn't it?
[14:11] <nikolam> flash could die in time, anyway, html5 is here.
[14:12] <nikolam> no reason for any app to die with him
[14:12] <chrisccoulson> huh, i don't get the last sentence?
[14:13] <nikolam> No reason for any project/application for sharing death sentence of some closed company wanting/not wanting to develop its closed products.
[14:15] <nikolam> If flash is about, I have 11.1 r102 installed here on my desktop. It is outdated?
[14:20] <nikolam> And as I see now, Adobe clearly has available and supported 64-bit flash plugin.
[14:20] <nikolam> Only platform that does not care for 64 browser and clearly want it on 32bit is SunOS, not Linux or others.
[14:21] <chrisccoulson> sigh again
[14:21] <chrisccoulson> adobe support 64-bit flash now, but that's only been for the last couple of months or so.....
[14:22] <nikolam> so what. It is their policy, people not wanting to depend on their policies, should avoid flash and thats it.
[14:22] <nikolam> I use Noscript+flashblock anyway and activate flash only when needed
[14:22] <nikolam> So it is important to have usability, I understand
[14:23] <nikolam> But let not stop progress because of some company policies.
[14:23] <nikolam> I also understand that if flash is outdated, it undermines distribution and other efforts.
[14:24] <nikolam> But isn't using flash enough undermining efforts in the first place? And it is on user to choose what to use.
[14:24] <chrisccoulson> ok, so lets break the world now by switching firefox to gtk3, which will break flash for *everybody*, if that will make you happy
[14:24] <nikolam> Alo I don't think Flash is distributed with Linux distributions, for most part.
[14:24] <chrisccoulson> lets ignore the fact that it would piss off the other 99.99999% of our users
[14:24] <chrisccoulson> anyway, i've got work to do. so, goodbye :)
[14:25] <nikolam> Wll, if Adobe do not want to get along with the programme..
[14:25] <nikolam> ok, cu
[14:25] <nikolam> apparently they want now.
[14:28] <nikolam> since 99.99% of users would piss on adobe if they do not.
[15:56] <chrisccoulson> hah - https://twitter.com/#!/nitot/status/139709707031019520 :)
[16:00] <bhearsum> ouch
[16:00] <bhearsum> that's going to turn some people off
[16:01] <chrisccoulson> hopefully!
[16:01] <chrisccoulson> :)
[16:05] <bhearsum> :)
[16:05] <chrisccoulson> perhaps i can convince some of my colleagues to stop using it :)
[16:05] <mdeslaur> hah, nice!
[16:16] <chrisccoulson> damn, i didn't scare didrocks enough yet with the "google knows everything you type in to the addressbar" trick ;)
[16:30] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: tell him google tells him mom
[16:30] <chrisccoulson> lol
[19:45] <chrisccoulson> "Another random person you've never heard of added you on Google+"
[19:45] <chrisccoulson> yippee!
[19:50] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: I suspect people are creating circles called "Ignore" or "Don't know them" and adding all the suggestions to them or something :)
[20:51] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I seem to have a 2MB install size increase from 8.0 to 9.0b2, is this normal?
[21:12] <micahg> awesome, thunderbird 8 should build on powerpc w/in 3 hrs...


[00:04] <jbicha> graingert: I don't, but I'm curious what graphics driver you use
[00:04] <graingert> heheh
[00:04] <graingert> guess
[00:04] <graingert> nvidia
[00:04] <jbicha> graingert: have you tried nouveau?
[00:04] <graingert> how do I go back to nouvea from nvidia?
[00:04] <graingert> just disable in jockey?
[00:05] <jbicha> graingert: yes, that should work & reboot
[00:05] <graingert> also I can't seem to get java plugins working in ff or chrome
[00:05] <graingert> do you know what I need installing
[00:06] <graingert> I have icedtea-plugin icedtea-7-plugin and icedtea-6-plugin
[00:07] <graingert> anyway just going to grab todays updates and see if it still happens
[00:20] <snadge> its known not to work very well on some systems.. so the solution is to disable it on all systems.. even ones which work.. and give no simple way to re-enable it again
[00:20] <snadge> *golf claps* bravo ubuntu.. ;)
[00:21] <Daekdroom> Iirc, they're going to work on a whitelist that's going to be constantly updated.
[00:22] <snadge> the problem is.. its not that simple and it depends on the state of the system.. and if additional hardware devices have been plugged in
[00:23] <snadge> a blacklist is probably a smarter idea
[00:24] <jbicha> I don't think they can do a whitelist because there are too many variables for hibernate to work, hardware alone isn't sufficient
[00:24] <snadge> but it sounds like they'd much rather prevent hibernate working on systems in which it works.. than accidentally allow hibernate on systems which might not.. a feature known as "retard" protection ;)
[00:25] <jbicha> OEMs can enable it by default
[00:25] <snadge> and how many oems install ubuntu linux
[00:25] <snadge> all zero of them
[00:25] <Daekdroom> Dell, System76
[00:26] <jbicha> there are quite a few OEMs, Canonical has a whole team that works with various OEMs
[00:26] <snadge> well.. here in australia i've never seen something for sale with ubuntu on it
[00:26] <glosoli> Daekdroom: you were talking about which Brands have best compatilibity with Ubuntu ?
[00:26] <snadge> versus the almost 100% of the market that comes with windows
[00:26] <DaniG2k> guys what's the command to install gnome classic on 12.04?
[00:26] <jbicha> one of the few money-producing opportunities Canonical is going after
[00:27] <Daekdroom> glosoli, nope. I'm talking about OEMs that ship Ubuntu-powered machines.
[00:27] <glosoli> DaniG2k: it's already installed
[00:27] <DaniG2k> glosoli not for me
[00:27] <DaniG2k> glosoli I got rid of unity
[00:27] <Daekdroom> sudo apt-get install gnome-fallback-session
[00:27] <DaniG2k> k thnx
[00:27] <jbicha> Daekdroom: just install gnome-session-fallback or gnome-panel (installing gnome-shell will also work)
[00:27] <Daekdroom> or gnome-session-fallback
[00:27] <DaniG2k> :)
[00:27] <glosoli> Daekdroom: In my country most of them give you an option :) Linux or Windows
[00:27] <Daekdroom> !info gnome-session-fallback
[00:28] <Daekdroom> glosoli, Dell is the only one to do that around here, atleast among the respected and well known companies.
[00:28] <jbicha> !info gnome-panel
[00:28] <snadge> ive got an idea.. there could be a toggle to enable hibernate in the power settings.. on whitelisted systems.. its enabeld by default.. otherwise its set to disabled
[00:28] <jbicha> ^ that's the actual version
[00:28] <snadge> if you then re-enable it.. it could warn you that hibernate has not been tested on your system, and that you do so at your own risk
[00:28] <glosoli> Daekdroom: And do you know which brand has the best support for Linux ? Thinking of changing my laptop just for ubuntu... coz I love it. In about 4 months period
[00:29] <jbicha> snadge: I believe that was Design's idea, it just needs someone to write the patch
[00:29] <Daekdroom> glosoli, unfortunately, I don't. But I think somewhere on the wiki there's a page that describe how well Ubuntu works with some laptop models.
[00:29] <snadge> also there could be a mechanism after a successful hibernate (for the first time on an untested system) it could prompt you to submit your hardware details to canonical
[00:29] <snadge> so that in a future update.. that hardware may or may not be included in the whitelist
[00:30] <glosoli> Daekdroom: Well I won't find anything, coz If I buy smth most of the times it is new high tech thing :/ The same was with my Asus N61JA at the time I bought it
[00:30] <snadge> my acer aspire one is not on the whitelist :( .. i thought they were a fairly common netbook
[00:31] <penguin42> the problem with doing tests is that the hibernation failures are often particular feature related; like doesn't hibernate with wifi in use or the like
[00:32] <snadge> which is why one successful result shouldn't be used to whitelist something.. and the result should contain whether wifi is enabled etc
[00:32] <snadge> so if you get a bunch of successful hibernations.. but none of them have wifi enabled.. you could then be suspicious
[00:33] <snadge> you could also log when the hardware goes into hibernation.. which would tell you roughly how many systems go into hibernate, and fail to come back out of it again.. ie, the ratio
[00:33] <penguin42> snadge: Yeh I'm just saying that set of rules can be quite tricky to come up with
[00:34] <penguin42> snadge: It's like it might be only wifi on battery power connected to a WPA-2 network on 5GHz
[00:34] <snadge> i also wonder if some blacklisted hardware works in windows.. and what form of witchcraft / voodoo trickery they use to work around it
[00:34] <penguin42> (On a tuesday....nah, would never get a date dependent bug....)
[00:36] <snadge> true that.. and in those situations, as you know.. its possible to run scripts pre and post hibernate
[00:36] <snadge> to do things like .. shut down and re-enable wifi
[00:36] <penguin42> snadge: Nod
[00:36] <snadge> it makes sense to do that.. rather than disable it entirely
[00:37] <snadge> it just underlines how much of an enormous problem it is though.. collecting useful information from the field would go a long way towards answering some of those questions
[00:37] <jo-erlend> has online accounts been removed from system settings again, or is it just me?
[00:37] <penguin42> snadge: It's just really difficult - because what normalyl happens is you figure it hibernates sometimes and it can be quite difficult to pin down what the circumstance was
[00:38] <snadge> like my netbook, im pretty sure that one time out of 10.. it stuffs up
[00:38] <Daekdroom> jo-erlend, not just you. It disappeared from here too
[00:38] <snadge> but most of the time.. it works fine
[00:38] <jo-erlend> Daekdroom, thanks. Stuff has disappeared here before for no apparent reason :)
[00:38] <glosoli> Daekdroom: Do you know anything if Nvidia is getting Optimus for Ubuntu :)  ?
[00:39] <Daekdroom> glosoli, huh... I don't
[00:39] <Daekdroom> Well, I've read a few things about Optimus in Linux, but I don't remember them
[00:49] <graingert> recent logs seem to have broken: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/02/26/%23ubuntu+1.txt
[00:50] <penguin42> graingert: Give it time - we're not an hour into 26 yet!
[00:50] <graingert> urgh
[00:50] <graingert> can anyone remember who I was talking at?
[00:51] <yofel> the cronjob generates them at 3 minutes past an hour looking at the timestamps
[00:51] <graingert> a moment ago
[00:51] <graingert> it was just at the wrong moment
[00:51] <yofel> graingert: jbicha
[00:52] <graingert> jbicha: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/941200 it does seem to be some nvidia "issue"
[00:52] <graingert> although ubuntu-bug recommended gnome-shell
[02:31] <Will123456> hey guys. double clicking on the app menu (to unmaximise a window) is more sensitive than double clicking on a window to maximise. is this important enough to report as a bug?
[02:31] <Will123456> i was hoping one of you could try it out and see if i'm not being hypersensitive :P
[02:36] <urfr332gO> Will123456, I think it is a single click on the app menu
[02:36] <urfr332gO> to size it
[02:48] <Daekdroom> Click and drag or double click to restore.
[02:48] <Daekdroom> Well, to maximize too
[02:51] <urfr332gO> Daekdroom, I thought they meant the maximize or half size button was the tick here in the app menu. :)
[03:05] <Will123456> Daekdroom: double clicking behaves differently on windows and the appmenu
[03:06] <Will123456> two clicks that the app menu registers as a "double click" will not register on windows
[03:06] <Will123456> that's what i meant by more sensitive
[03:06] <Will123456> try this: maximise a window, then find the slowest double click you can do on the app menu to unmaximise the window. now try that on the window title bar
[03:06] <Will123456> it probably won't maximise the window
[03:07] <Daekdroom> Well, you could try filling a bug report, but I'm not sure how important (if a bug at all) they'd consider it.
[03:07] <Will123456> yeah, that's why I asked here first :P
[03:07] <Will123456> am i being too precise? :P
[03:07] <Daekdroom> I personally cannot find a difference between speed for each of the actions.
[03:07] <Daekdroom> *minimum speed
[03:08] <Daekdroom> Ah. Nevermind, just did.
[03:08] <Will123456> it's subtle, right?
[03:08] <Daekdroom> yes.
[03:09] <Will123456> both window title bars and the app menu don't seem to take into account the "double click timeout" setting under mouse and touchpad settings, though maybe you have to restart the session to have that come into effect
[03:10] <Will123456> the only reason i can think this might constitute a proper bug is if they don't adapt to the double click timeout, which would be nice for accessibility reasons right?
[09:56] <crizzy> ut
[10:02] <trijntje> ping mhall119, is there a way to translate unity quicklists of precise?
[10:05] <valdur55> trijntje, yes. there is.
[10:06] <valdur55> use Name[lang]=Translated
[10:09] <trijntje> valdur55: so I should use bzr to get the .desktop files, add the translations and push it to lp? I have no exprience with bzr
[10:11] <trijntje> the above meaning: is that the correct procedure? Not meaning: explain all of bzr to me
[10:15] <valdur55> trijntje, http://mhall119.com/2012/02/contributing-to-unity-for-non-developers-quicklists/  and http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/ ...
[10:16] <valdur55> trijntje, first, test my idea. Maybe it doesn't work. It seems to work, but i can't test
[10:18] <trijntje> valdur55: I'll try adding the translations to the .desktop files first, thanks!
[10:27] <arshad> is this the 12.04 channel?
[10:28] <arshad> If you maximize the screen, why doesn't the unity bar hide anymore?? bug?
[10:28] <ironhalik> yup
[10:28] <ironhalik> it appears to be a bug
[10:28] <ironhalik> that it wont dodge windows
[10:28] <arshad> i hope so.. i was so mad.. i don't wanna install ccsm
[10:29] <ironhalik> you dont have to, you can make it autohide from the wallpaper menu
[10:29] <ironhalik> autohide for now at least
[10:29] <arshad> okay good *phew.. i have a netbook.. prolly not a big deal for ypu guys
[10:30] <ironhalik> Well, when it doesnt hide, it obscures whatever is underneath it
[10:30] <arshad> are there any setting to change the size of the unity bar yet??
[10:30] <ironhalik> :>
[10:31] <ironhalik> via ccsm, yeah
[10:31] <ironhalik> or via Ubuntu Tweak
[10:31] <arshad> that should be top priority to make defauly :(
[10:32] <ironhalik> the icon resize? I think it was in the appearance menu for a while
[10:32] <ironhalik> but not sure :>
[10:32] <ironhalik> you probably could find it somewhere in the dconf editor too
[10:33] <arshad> oh yeah one more thing.. everytime i log out to LightDM it keeeps crashing and restarting.. have you ever had that??
[10:33] <arshad> i meaning restarting the xserver.. not the whole computer
[10:33] <ironhalik> not on my desktop, but on intel based laptop, yeah
[10:34] <arshad> i guess you have AMD? lol
[10:34] <ironhalik> nah, Im on nvidia here
[10:35] <ironhalik> well, I would suggest you file a bug :)
[10:35] <arshad> i hopw i have time to
[10:35] <ironhalik> its pretty much the point of using precise at its current state :)
[10:36] <ironhalik> you can always use 'ubuntu-bug' command
[10:36] <arshad> i know.. usually i wouldn't be the fist to file a bug.. there are always repeats of the same filed bug on launchpad
[10:36] <ironhalik> it takes about 3 minutes to fill
[10:37] <arshad> yeah ill do it.. tomorrow tho
[10:37] <ironhalik> yeah, for me the most annoying thing is searching for dupes :)
[10:37] <arshad> whaat version ubuntu are you using atm?
[10:38] <ironhalik> 12.04 on desktop
[10:38] <ironhalik> its surprisingly stable for an alpha
[10:38] <ironhalik> linux alpha :)
[10:38] <ironhalik> and I dualboot it on my laptop
[10:38] <arshad> oh! i thought you'd use something for mainstream.. like 10.04.4.. like im using
[10:39] <ironhalik> my fallback to sanity is arch linux :)
[10:39] <arshad> ubuntu is only good when you tinker too much with the inner parts.. lol
[10:39] <arshad> I remember when PCLinuxOS was the big thing
[10:39] <arshad> u remember that??
[10:39] <ironhalik> I remember when redhat was the big thing :P
[10:40] <arshad> how long have you been using linux for lol???
[10:40] <ironhalik> for some time, on and off
[10:40] <ironhalik> compared to what linux was on desktop
[10:40] <ironhalik> ubuntu is a dream
[10:40] <arshad> 2006..ish for me.. i started at 13
[10:41] <arshad> i know! especially display problems back then!
[10:41] <arshad> LCD and native resolutions :S
[10:42] <ironhalik> yeah, I spent like two days on opensuse
[10:42] <ironhalik> to make it properly set resolution in gdm and desktop
[10:42] <ironhalik> with two displays
[10:42] <arshad> i couldn't run opensuse.. i had my first kernel panic with it tho!
[10:42] <ironhalik> precise pangolin is supposed to fix the dual display situation a bit
[10:42] <arshad> i saw when they were demonstrating it in orlando
[10:43] <arshad> it worked well for my netbook on the projector in the lecture hall too!
[10:44] <ironhalik> huh, I never tried it that way
[10:44] <ironhalik> just smaller screen next to bigger
[10:44] <ironhalik> and theres always a catch
[10:45] <arshad> i dunno.. it worked really well.. no lag or anything.. and this was a netbook..
[10:46] <arshad> it was annoying changing the size of the window in the bigger moniter to refit the smaller one.. but that was it.
[10:46] <ironhalik> well, for me its not lag, its that the screen is either the height of the bigger one, and you actually can move the mouse outside of the display :)
[10:46] <ironhalik> or you cant set the native resolution at all
[10:47] <ironhalik> Im actually a little bit glad my oldish second LCD gave out ;>
[10:47] <arshad> huh.. weird..
[10:48] <arshad> it was wayy easier using CRTs for multiple monitors
[10:48] <ironhalik> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-FXboN0tI_PU/TWF7LNTgHoI/AAAAAAABQUQ/yFWI-2GglaA/s1600/rh5-version.png
[10:48] <ironhalik> first linux distro ever for me
[10:48] <ironhalik> ofcouse I installed it, got scared by it and returned to windows 85
[10:49] <ironhalik> I probably should have my LILO boot FDD somewhere :P
[10:49] <arshad> holy.. how old are you?? hahaha
[10:49] <ironhalik> only 25
[10:49] <ironhalik> I was nerdish as a small kid
[10:50] <arshad> My first comp was MSDOS.. i was pretty nerdy too!
[10:50] <arshad> http://static.howtoforge.com/images/beryl_pclinuxos2007/14.jpg
[10:51] <ironhalik> hmm, I used to rock 'su-27 flanker' for hours on dos
[10:51] <arshad> my first linux distro for me
[10:51] <ironhalik> mmm, woddly windows, the main selling point of linux desktop back then :>
[10:51] <ironhalik> wobbly*
[10:51] <arshad> i used it as a liveCD and i was impressed with its performance.. my computer couldn't run Vista which just came out at the time
[10:52] <arshad> great alternative. but ubuntu wasn't as good back then compared to this
[10:53] <ironhalik> I think I was playing with fedora at that time
[10:53] <ironhalik> and learned what bleeding edge means for them :P
[10:53] <arshad> haha yeah
[10:54] <arshad> what do you think of Gnome3??
[10:54] <ironhalik> I actually like it
[10:54] <ironhalik> many people hate it, miss the old gnome menus
[10:55] <ironhalik> but I hated the menus - you had to know where  every shortcut install by default
[10:55] <ironhalik> and where is the line between preferences and administration :P
[10:56] <ironhalik> or you could launch everything from terminal
[10:56] <arshad> i have gnone 2 right now.. i downd
[10:56] <arshad> downgraded**
[10:57] <arshad> i used to run 11.04 before.. i needed something more stable for school
[10:57] <arshad> r u in college??
[10:57] <ironhalik> yeah
[10:57] <ironhalik> for me, the metakey search/launcher is just a killer feature
[10:58] <ironhalik> tell, me, on 10.04.4, the gnome applets still move around on their own? :>
[10:58] <arshad> no.. atlwast not yet
[10:58] <arshad> atleast**
[10:59] <ironhalik> it annoyed the hell out of me
[10:59] <arshad> everytime i thikn about the weather applet tho.. haha.. i remember when my city got to -53C
[10:59] <ironhalik> maybe they fixed it
[11:00] <arshad> my city was second coldest in the world that night
[11:00] <arshad> they probably did.. they better atleast
[11:01] <arshad> i had that problem in ubuntu 11.04 where if  put my computer to sleep but the machine wouldn't go into sleep mode. just the os did
[11:01] <arshad> i had not way of waking it back up again
[11:02] <arshad> have you ever had that before??
[11:02] <ironhalik> Hmm, I dont think so
[11:02] <arshad> i lost so much homework that week.. i was pretty mad
[11:03] <ironhalik> I made pushing 'ctrl + s' a habit, just for that ocasion ;>
[11:05] <arshad> so what r u studying in college??
[11:05] <ironhalik> computer science :P
[11:06] <arshad> haha same! what year??
[11:08] <ironhalik> second
[11:09] <ironhalik> had couple of years after highschool
[11:09] <ironhalik> of break ;>
[11:17] <arshad> anyways i g2g
[11:17] <arshad> nice talkin to ya!
[11:17] <arshad> cheers!
[12:53] <kklimonda> ironhalik: applet moving has never been fixed afair
[14:18] <bazhang> !info vlc
[14:53] <mortal> why have I lost the network icon in unity
[15:07] <Arnold> Hello. The menu color being light rather than dark in Ambiance - is it a bug or a feature?
[15:08] <robin0800> Arnold: dark text is in radiance
[15:10] <Arnold> It seems to be like that, yes. However, it's kind of the same in Ambiance, in which it should be inverted.
[15:10] <Arnold> In Ambiance, it should be dark menu, and with light text.
[15:11] <robin0800> Arnold: correct
[15:17] <Arnold> Radiance: http://ubuntuone.com/2eSehD43cTxnrsltW6Lz1S
[15:17] <Arnold> Ambiance: http://ubuntuone.com/0tQiUFbO8g8uBaelzOzgpQ
[16:54] <Tronic> How to disable screen blanking on KUbuntu?
[16:54] <Tronic> It blanks after about 10 minutes even though I have disabled blanking and screensaver.
[16:58] <penguin42> hmm don't think it does here
[16:59] <penguin42> Tronic: Have you disabled it the right one of the On AC Power/On battery/On Low battery tabs ?
[17:00]  * penguin42 has Dim Display turned off, and Screen Energy saving set to Switch off after 360min
[17:02] <penguin42> hmm spotted something I didn't realise about KDE 4.8 - the 'activity's are a bit more than just virtual desktops; you can have differnet power behaviour on each one
[17:04] <ironhalik> Hmm, nice
[17:05] <ironhalik> KDE 4.8 seems waay better then last I remembered KDE
[17:05] <ironhalik> which was wieth 3.5/4.0 transition
[17:06] <penguin42> yeh the 3.5/4.0 transition was painful
[17:06] <ironhalik> and first iteration of KDE4 were painfull :)
[17:06] <ironhalik> iterations*
[17:07] <penguin42> yeh
[17:08] <yofel> penguin42: iirc per-activity power management was added in 4.8
[17:17] <penguin42> yofel: I hadn't previously seen the point of acitivities - but I can see for presentations or say watching a video that would be neat
[17:20] <twistsyadada> hi
[17:20] <twistsyadada> i need help logging in via lightdm, keeps making a loop and throws me out
[17:23] <twistsyadada> i need help logging in via lightdm, keeps making a loop and throws me out
[17:24] <penguin42> twistsyadada: After your password?
[17:24] <bazhang> twistsyadada, in 12.04 ?
[17:28] <twistsyadada> hi
[17:28] <twistsyadada> yae
[17:28] <twistsyadada> after pasword yes
[17:28] <twistsyadada> happened after yesterdays updates
[17:29] <twistsyadada> this is the 12.04 channel i think
[17:29] <penguin42> nod
[17:30] <ikonia> twistsyadada: you said this was also happening in 11.10 ?
[17:30] <twistsyadada> no, i have read on forums about similar problem with login on stable release
[17:30] <ironhalik> penguin42: for me, activities (or workspaces) are a killer feature of linux
[17:30] <ironhalik> windows kinda has it too, but not so nicely implemented
[17:31] <twistsyadada> i deleted some iceauthority filee
[17:31] <penguin42> ironhalik: Well KDE4.8 has workspaces and new 'activities'
[17:32] <twistsyadada> should i update the system again and check maybe?
[17:33] <ironhalik> Is there some nice GUI formatting tool, except gparted and gnome format?
[17:33] <twistsyadada> i deleted Xauthority file too hoping that would help, bad idea probably
[17:34] <bucky> ever mv a file to a .bak ?
[17:34] <twistsyadada> should have
[17:34] <twistsyadada> too late
[17:35] <twistsyadada> iam wondering why happen to my system and not to others
[17:35] <twistsyadada> is there a program which could alter thse settings
[17:36] <penguin42> ironhalik: There is one called palimpsest - that is the gnome disk utility or one of them
[17:37] <yofel> ironhalik: for kde there's partitionmanager
[17:37] <twistsyadada> so nayone have any ideas how to get into system
[17:39] <ironhalik> thanks, gnome disk utility will work great
[17:41] <ironhalik> anyone encountered problems when using ubuntus start disk creator?
[17:41] <ironhalik> eg. data fail mid install?
[17:41] <twistsyadada> ironhalik: what kind of , i have had many
[17:42] <twistsyadada> failed to copy?
[17:42] <twistsyadada> penguin42: you have any suggestion how to fix my problem?
[17:43] <ironhalik> data corrupted during install
[17:43] <valdur55> ironhalik, data... what data.. boot data?
[17:44] <ironhalik> failed to copy
[17:44] <twistsyadada> ironhalik: try formatting the flash disk and try fresh
[17:44] <ironhalik> yeah, doing it right now
[17:45] <penguin42> twistsyadada: Try selecting a different session type before entering the password?
[17:45] <twistsyadada> penguin42: that is the problem, no other sessions are showing
[17:45] <twistsyadada> penguin42: before, i saw unity 2d or gnome, now all are missing
[17:46] <penguin42> oh - that's odd
[17:46] <twistsyadada> even guest login logs me out
[17:46] <penguin42> Hmm did anything bad happen during the upgrade?
[17:46] <twistsyadada> right now i have 2, my username and a guest session
[17:47] <twistsyadada> well, its always a partial upgrade of course
[17:47] <twistsyadada> but didnt notice anything odd
[17:47] <twistsyadada> no held back packages either
[17:47] <penguin42> odd
[17:48] <twistsyadada> i heard everyone got a new login screen etc
[17:48] <twistsyadada> with a new > symbol next to password box
[17:48] <twistsyadada> i have the > but no sessions
[17:49] <penguin42> can't suggest much - maybe debug in /var/log/lightdm logs
[17:49] <valdur55> and that's why lubuntu fails...
[17:49] <twistsyadada> ok will do
[17:50] <valdur55> changes with lightdm :P
[17:52] <twistsyadada> penguin42: lightdm log says authentication successful
[17:52] <twistsyadada> bah nvm, ill reinstall
[17:55] <dash> howdy. I'm running precise on a freescale mx53 and it doesn't have some kernel modules i'd like (for example, 'tun'). what's the recommended procedure for getting that? "apt-get source <my linux-image package>" and then build modules myself?
[17:57] <penguin42> dash: Yeh you don't have many choices; probably a good idea to ask for them to be turned on in the config as well
[17:58] <dash> OK
[18:08] <trism> dash: the default config has tun: CONFIG_TUN=y, just not as a module
[18:10] <bucky> dash, do you have a /dev/net/tun
[18:11] <bucky> mknod /dev/net/tun c 10 200
[18:11] <bucky> http://blog.galemin.com/tag/tun/
[18:23] <rajeev> hi
[18:25] <dash> bucky: hmm, i don't even have a /dev/net
[18:25] <dash> ah, just mkdir.
[18:27] <dash> trism: it doesn't here
[18:28] <dash> trism: /boot/config-3.1.1-1400-linaro-lt-mx5 has "# CONFIG_TUN is not set" in it
[18:29] <bucky> modinfo tun
[18:29] <bucky> oh.. no mod
[18:29] <dash> yup
[18:32] <dash> so i'm left with the idea of manually building the module for now and maybe building a custom kernel deb later
[18:38] <yofel> dash: why are you running 3.1.1? Are there no 3.2 kernels for arm?
[18:39] <industrialmess> hi folks
[18:39] <industrialmess> i was here before about the lightdm login problem
[18:39] <glosoli> Any new updates for someone ?
[18:39] <glosoli> ;D
[18:40] <industrialmess> fixed it, the package gnome-session  was uninstalled it seems
[18:40] <industrialmess> i installed it and i can login back now
[18:40] <industrialmess> not sure if that has anything to do with lightdm
[18:41] <industrialmess> glosoli: why
[18:41] <industrialmess> glosoli: libreoffice updates
[18:42] <glosoli> industrialmess: just interested the second day that's silent for me :D
[18:42] <industrialmess> glosoli: try the main repos?
[18:43] <yofel> it's beta freeze, not much updates
[18:43] <dash> yofel: Good question. It's the only one I saw for mx53
[18:43] <glosoli> industrialmess: using that one ;D
[18:43] <dash> it's what 'linux-image-linaro-lt-mx5' depends on.
[18:43] <dash> i see a 3.2.x one for omap though
[18:44] <industrialmess> are we on beta now?
[18:44] <yofel> dash: #ubuntu-kernel might know more
[18:44] <dash> OK thanks
[18:44] <yofel> industrialmess: no, but archive is frozen for beta release testing
[18:44] <glosoli> industrialmess: using that one already ;D
[18:44] <industrialmess> thats nice
[18:44] <industrialmess> glosoli: ya you said that twice :P
[18:44] <jo-erlend> Tab completion in HUD would be nice, yes? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/941568
[18:44] <glosoli> industrialmess: hmmm ;D blindliness :D
[18:46] <industrialmess> ok iam going now
[18:46] <industrialmess> entered ubuntu irc after many years
[18:46] <industrialmess> :)
[18:59] <zzecool> glosoli: ?
[19:00] <zzecool> glosoli: i hate when  there are no updates  oufff
[19:01] <ironhalik> yeah, slow weekend
[19:02] <zzecool> :'(
[19:03] <zzecool> ironhalik: we may have more updates when we we enter Beta UI
[19:03] <zzecool> there are many bugs that should get fixed for this version to be called LTS
[19:04] <zzecool> so i hope we gonna have again a nice updates FIESTA
[19:04] <zzecool> :)
[19:13] <ironhalik> yeah, we'll get out update fix every day!
[19:13] <ironhalik> btw LTS, I had pretty low opinion of 10.04
[19:13] <ironhalik> ;>
[19:14] <ironhalik> but on the other hand, 12.04 so far, even in alpha, is amazingly good
[19:14] <ironhalik> especially compared do 11.10 alpha
[19:15] <zzecool> so true
[19:15] <zzecool> i can only agree with you
[19:15] <ironhalik> Trying to restrain myself from installing 12.04 on my lappy
[19:16] <zzecool> i got it on mine since alpha 1
[19:16] <zzecool> :)
[19:16] <zzecool> everything is ok
[19:16] <zzecool> :)
[19:16] <ironhalik> which so far is my fallback PC in case something went terribly wrong
[19:16] <zzecool> lol
[19:16] <zzecool> remember the old linux day where almost any hardware driver was  KERNEL PANIC
[19:16] <ironhalik> promised myself Ill install beta 1 on it
[19:16] <zzecool> or even a hot plug usb lol
[19:17] <ironhalik> Yeah, it was kinda insane
[19:17] <zzecool> beta 1  omgggg
[19:17] <zzecool> you have to wait almost a month
[19:17] <ironhalik> you had to hack through conf's to get the simplest things working
[19:17]  * zzecool  says omg
[19:17] <ironhalik> beta 1 should be out in a week
[19:18] <zzecool> i was trying to scare you
[19:18]  * zzecool scare tactics failed
[19:18] <ironhalik> :P
[19:20] <ironhalik> I want to try out Unity2D on my lappy
[19:21] <ironhalik> but it wont let me log out from live cd
[19:21] <ironhalik> lightdm gets into a loop, restarting constantly
[19:24] <glosoli> zzecool:  ?
[19:24] <glosoli> ;D
[19:25] <zzecool> :p
[19:26] <glosoli> zzecool: what's up :D
[19:26] <zzecool> fine
[19:26] <zzecool> :)
[20:12] <zzecool> glosoli:
[20:12] <zzecool> glosoli: you here?
[20:12] <zzecool> ironhalik: ?
[20:19] <zzecool> omg someone must read this :  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CronHowto
[20:20] <zzecool> look at the last part about : How Anacron is Arranged
[20:20] <zzecool> after readin this part i just said Bitch Please......
[20:32] <yofel> now how did that happen o.O
[20:32] <yofel> 21721 root      20   0  380m 131m  59m S 9999  1.7  5277862h /usr/bin/X :0 vt7 -br -nolisten tcp -auth /var/run/xauth/A:0-muFzIa
[20:32] <yofel> 9999% CPU usage, that's new
[20:44] <kklimonda> anyone else seeing gnome-settings-daemon and dconf-service using 100% cpu?
[21:20] <Tronic> Setting Energy saving [X] Switch Off [360 min] solved the screen blanking issue. This needs to be fixed so that [ ] Switch Off never turns off the screen (instead of turning off after about 10 minutes like it currently does).
[21:20] <Tronic> (this affects Kubuntu)
[21:23] <zzecool> what the ...
[22:02] <ironhalik> anyone knows which value is responsible for the nautilus tooltip
[22:03] <ironhalik> the one that appears when you hover over a folder in left hand panel
[22:03] <ironhalik> Ive got whitetext on light yellow background there and it annoys mine OCD
[22:03] <ironhalik> my*
[22:58] <encrypt> Hi im upgrading to Precise and the indicator for the NetworkManager is gone from the panel. Any ideas on how to get it back?
[23:04] <htorque> encrypt: hi! do you have the package 'network-manager-gnome' installed? do you have a file '/etc/xdg/autostart/nm-applet.desktop' containing 'X-GNOME-Autostart-enabled=true'?
[23:04] <encrypt> will check it out!
[23:07] <encrypt> All installed and configured as per default
[23:08] <encrypt> Im using xubuntu. btw. The NetworkManager package is the same though
[23:28] <kklimonda> encrypt: it can be now hidden using control center, now the question is how to do that without gnome control center? probably try looking through gconf and dconf keys looking for the right one
[23:29] <kklimonda> (it also sounds like a bug as the indicator should not be hidden by default)
[23:31] <encrypt> well, xubuntu uses another configurator editor, might be a key to switch the indicator on. In case it is a bug how do i report it
[23:33] <encrypt> unless removing the indicator is part of the release, which wouldn't surprise me considering the eagerness of the development guys to change things
[23:33] <kklimonda> I can't talk for Xubuntu, but the indicator is definitely there in Ubuntu
[23:35] <encrypt> im now in gnome-classic, which seems to be the fall-back session for xubuntu. Neither it is anywhere, but at least in gnome session i have the 'network' settings in 'System Settings'
[23:35] <kklimonda> I don't know what Xubuntu uses for network applet - if it's nm-applet (the same applet Ubuntu uses) then you can check if it's running from console
[23:36] <kklimonda> ok, the switch for disabling applet should be in the lower left corner
[23:37] <encrypt> It is the same applet,
[23:37] <encrypt> where the windows buttons are, u mean?
[23:39] <kklimonda> http://iloveubuntu.net/sites/default/files/field/image/network%201click%20disable%201.png
[23:43] <encrypt> its gnome classic -with the top and bottom panels- still no indicator.
[23:43] <encrypt> this is the output when i run nm-applet in console:
[23:43] <encrypt> Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk-widgets-dark-overrides.css:7:19: Not using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'.
[23:43] <encrypt> ** Message: applet now removed from the notification area
[23:43] <encrypt> GdkPixbuf-CRITICAL **: gdk_pixbuf_scale_simple: assertion `dest_width > 0' failed
[23:43] <encrypt> ** Message: using fallback from indicator to GtkStatusIcon
[23:44] <kklimonda> "** Message: using fallback from indicator to GtkStatusIcon" HUH
[23:44] <encrypt> is it maybe sth to do with the theme??
[23:45] <kklimonda> no, the message I've pasted suggests that gnome classic doesn't have indicator applet added
[23:45] <kklimonda> but it should be displaying an icon using old systray fallback code
[23:46] <encrypt> anyway, probably will come back after an update one of these days. Is it possible to run the network manager from console. I insist that xubuntu uses the same package configuration
[23:48] <kklimonda> what do you mean? you want to debug the deamon or just configure it from cli?
[23:49] <encrypt> configure it from cli to check and log on to networks
[23:50] <kklimonda> no I don't think there is any tool for that
[23:50] <encrypt> like using iwconfig to check my network status, similar to that but with options to log on to different networks
[23:50] <kklimonda> (well, there is a couple of them, but they all seem unmaintained anymore)
[23:51] <kklimonda> well, you can do it by hand
[23:51] <kklimonda> like in old good days ;)
[23:51] <encrypt> that what i mean
[23:52] <kklimonda> well, that's possible but you have to configure everything by hand using iwconfig, wpa_supplicant (if the network uses WPA) and then ifconfig/dhclient
[23:52] <kklimonda> I haven't done it for years
[23:52] <kklimonda> it goes something like this:
[23:53] <kklimonda> iwconfig <interface> essid "your ap name"
[23:53] <kklimonda> wpa_passphrase "ssid" "password" > /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
[23:54] <kklimonda> wpa_supplicant -i<interface> -c /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf &
[23:54] <kklimonda> dhclient <interface>
[23:54] <encrypt> its wep
[23:54] <kklimonda> there is some documentation on it on the internet
[23:54] <kklimonda> then you can ignore wpa_supplicant, and set the password using iwconfig
[23:55] <kklimonda> no idea how, man page suggests iwconfig <iface> key
[23:58] <encrypt> will collect all the network's info from iwconfig, mac address, channel and so on. Just in case my indicator doesnt come back, i will use the console for future logins


[01:58] <futuretim> I'm seeing a super strange behavior in store_download.go
[02:05] <futuretim> I think it must be around the handling/expectations of finalErr in that download loop
[02:08] <futuretim> eh, maybe not
[04:44] <mardy> 'morning
[04:59] <mborzecki> morning
[04:59] <mborzecki> mardy: hey
[05:17] <mardy> mborzecki: hi!
[05:18] <mardy> mborzecki: have you seen this failure before? https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10497/checks?check_run_id=2999820053
[05:19] <mardy> I wonder if the kernel config for bionic has changed, as this doesn't look like a random failure
[05:23] <mborzecki> mardy: hm maybe they did change something in bionic
[05:23] <mborzecki> was there a systemd update maybe?
[06:01] <mardy> mborzecki: mmm... I tried to update the test expectations, and now it failed again, but this time showing that the old expectations where correct...
[06:07] <pstolowski> morning
[06:12] <mardy> pstolowski: hi!
[06:17] <pstolowski> mardy: hi, and congratulations! ;)
[06:24] <mborzecki> pstolowski: hey
[06:42] <mborzecki> heh `Failed for "gopkg.in/retry.v1" (failed to ping remote repo): unrecognized import path "gopkg.in/retry.v1"`
[06:42] <mborzecki> in unit tests
[07:02] <mvo> mborzecki: meh, we had this before, iirc it's gustavos and he is on vac. let's hope it was just a glitch
[07:02] <mborzecki> haha 😉 ok
[07:02] <mborzecki> mvo: btw. can you bother you to take a look at https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10469 with your morning tea?
[07:09] <mvo> mborzecki: sure
[07:11] <zyga-mbp> good morning
[07:44] <mardy> mmm... my snap cannot see folders like /usr/share/libreoffice (though its apparmor profile allows that); but AFAIU we are not running the snaps in a chroot... So, why is this happening?
[07:46] <pstolowski> mardy: snap's mount namespace only sees certain folders?
[07:46]  * pstolowski physio
[07:53] <mardy> oh, it turns out my mount-control interface + snap is working fine, it's just that I was binding-mounting a directory which my snap saw as empty (not the real /usr/share/fonts/, but something else)
[07:57] <mborzecki> mardy: hm so the original directory was empty too?
[07:58] <mardy> mborzecki: yes :-D
[08:20] <zyga> mardy: snaps run in super-chroots
[08:21] <zyga> mardy: pivot_root is like chroot but "more"
[08:21] <zyga> ah ;)
[08:21] <zyga> mount things can be confusing sometimes
[08:32] <mborzecki> mvo: can you land https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10493 ?
[08:33] <mborzecki> wow, the only spread failure in https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10502 is unix socket thing on tw one we know about, otherwise it's all green
[08:49] <mborzecki> a trivial one: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10503
[08:54] <pstolowski> re
[09:00] <mvo> mborzecki: I landed the PR
[09:03] <mborzecki> mvo: thanks!
[09:08] <jamesh> pstolowski: Does the info in https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/a-desktop-notifications-client-api-for-snapd/25063/4?u=jamesh cover what you needed for icons in desktop notifications? Sorry for not getting back to you about it sooner.
[09:13] <pstolowski> jamesh: thanks, that's perfect. and no worries, i've been working on a few other things, wasn't blocked on that one
[10:28] <pstolowski> mborzecki: a simple PR https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10504, i wonder if there was a reason for this / something planned?
[10:32] <mborzecki> pstolowski: hm don't recall anything, maybe ian will
[10:32] <mborzecki> pstolowski: or maybe it was just missed during review ;)
[10:47] <mvo> mardy: 10375 has a conflict currently
[10:56] <pedronis> pstolowski: I don't remember, that code is quite convoluted, but not really at the top of things to clean up (so far)
[11:00] <pstolowski> pedronis: sure
[11:13] <mardy> mvo: it's expected, I'll fix them now
[11:14] <mvo> mardy: nice, thank you
[11:31] <pstolowski> mvo: could you please land https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10479 ? unrelated failures, been trying to land it since this morning
[11:44] <mvo> mardy: also thanks for your suggestions in 10482!
[12:02] <pstolowski> pedronis: i've been pondering asserts pool changes wrt conflict checks on CommitTo(); does using existing checkers mechanism on .Add() seem like a good direction to you?
[12:03] <pedronis> pstolowski: bit confused, I don't think we want that be bit to go as deep as asserts
[12:03] <pedronis> pstolowski: I mean I expect this part to be a problem of assertstate
[12:04] <pstolowski> pedronis: ok, i probably misunderstood this from our discussion
[12:05] <pedronis> pstolowski: we might need help, but my point is the call to CommitTo is assertstate, so it's more of decision to call it or not, vs having CommitTo decide, am I missing something?
[12:08] <mardy> pedronis: hi! the "snapctl mount" command, should it be in the "nonRootAllowed" list?
[12:08] <mardy> I guess not, but double-checking
[12:09] <pedronis> mardy: no, not initially for sure
[12:10] <zyga-mbp> mardy, pedronis: it feels like it should not but remember that snaps can trivially gain root and expose confined root to unconfined user via a socket
[12:10] <zyga-mbp> so this is only a cosmetic distinction
[12:11] <mardy> zyga-mbp: can I read more about this "trivially"? :-)
[12:12] <pedronis> any snap can define services and those run as root
[12:12] <zyga-mbp> mardy: put a snap in the store that runs a service that accepts input from anyone
[12:12] <pstolowski> pedronis: i understand the high level concept. but one detail i'm struggling to understand now is: i've current db and a set of incoming (resolved) asserts in the pool, I now need a "combined" database of both to check if no conflicts arise, no? but maybe i'm confused
[12:12] <zyga-mbp> it's good that mount-control is not going to be granted to anyone
[12:12] <mardy> zyga-mbp: last famous words ;-)
[12:12] <zyga-mbp> but keep in mind that snapctl root-only list is not a strong protection system
[12:12] <zyga-mbp> s/anyone/just anyone/
[12:13] <mardy> zyga-mbp: good to know, thanks
[12:13] <zyga-mbp> right, I just wanted to make sure you know this :)
[12:15] <pedronis> pstolowski: maybe we should have a quick chat, you might need a way to access the Backstore inside the pool
[12:16] <pstolowski> pedronis: ok, maybe after standup?
[12:16] <pedronis> yes
[12:18] <ogra`> zyga-mbp, you mean putting duct tape over a keyhole is not a safe security mechanism ?
[12:24] <zyga-mbp> ogra` it's not a duct tape, it's a "please do not enter" sign on an open dor
[12:24] <zyga-mbp> *door
[12:24] <ogra`> hahaha
[13:32] <futuretim> Good <insert your time of day here> all! My snapd keeps trying to get the account key for "wrfougkz3Huq2T_KklfnufCC0HzG7bJ9wP99GV0FF-D3QH3eJtuSRlQc2JhrAoh1" which is very familiar but I can't remember why and I couldn't answer the question online. Does anyone know what account key that is?
[13:41] <futuretim> I guess it's generic-classic related.
[13:43] <futuretim> Does the sign-key for generic-classic change often?
[13:45] <futuretim> Ah- it's the serials assertion for generic. Right.
[13:45] <futuretim> Ah- it's the serials (account-key) assertion for generic. Right.
[14:02] <pedronis> it can change at any point, snapd usually gets the signing key when getting any assertion in case it doesn't have it yet or has been updated
[14:02] <pedronis> except for the few in the trusted set
[14:04] <mvo> if someone could review the 2.51.2 changelog (pr#10506) that would be great
[14:08] <pedronis> mvo: reviewed
[14:15] <mvo> pedronis: thanks, I can update the "do not visit same halt..." text if you want, what do you want there?
[14:16] <pedronis> mvo: put something there
[14:17] <mvo> ta
[14:20] <mvo> pedronis: thanks, pushed again
[14:31] <ijohnson[m]> pedronis: I pushed again to https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10437
[14:33] <pedronis> ijohnson[m]: thx, I'll see if I can get to it today, working on something else atm
[14:33] <ijohnson[m]> sure, np thanks for the reviews
[14:38]  * cachio afk
[14:55] <mvo> a review for 10507 would be great
[14:57] <futuretim_> Why are some checks failing acceptable?
[14:58] <mvo> futuretim it's not in general
[14:59] <mvo> futuretim there are sometimes infrastructure failures (503 from e.g. store registration service) where I may override the failure if it's absolutely clearly not related to the PR. is that what you were asking aobut? or did I misunderstand?
[14:59] <futuretim_> That PR has 12 commits that had failing checks.
[15:00] <mvo> futuretim PR#10437?
[15:00] <futuretim_> Just getting somewhat acclimated to the workings, so just asking questions
[15:00] <futuretim_> no 10507
[15:00] <ijohnson[m]> mvo: reviewing that pr now
[15:01] <futuretim_> or am I mistaken?
[15:02] <mvo> futuretim oh, sorry, I see now what you mean. I think (without having looked at the individual ones) that those are intermediate commits that may have had issues, we do not squash those (most of the time) so this can happen. as long as the aggregation is ok it should be fine
[15:02] <futuretim_> OK, that makes sense. Thanks.
[15:02] <mvo> yw :)
[15:03] <ijohnson[m]> yeah github if it knows it ran checks for a given commit as part of another PR, it will show the results of that run next to the commit even if the commit is in another PR
[15:04] <ijohnson[m]> futuretim_:  also that particular little UI thing (the red X next to a commit) is basically always red since we have 1-2 tests on opensuse tumbleweed that fail 100% of the time that we haven't fully figured out yet (IIRC it's related the cloud kernel used in the tumbleweed images that we don't control), but those checks are not "required" to land the PR so it's "okay" that those opensuse failures are happening
[15:05] <futuretim_> ijohnson[m]: thanks for explaining!
[15:08] <ijohnson[m]> np
[15:08] <futuretim_> Also, the testing is impressive in snapd.
[15:09] <ijohnson[m]> thanks! 🙂
[16:04] <DWD> Hello, I've been asked if there is a way to override environment variables in Snaps at runtime (i.e not when building).  Is there such a feature?
[16:05] <ijohnson[m]> DWD: you mean to change something that the snap is setting ? No unfortunately there is not
[16:06] <DWD> Yes, that is my understanding of their question.  Thank you for your help
[16:06] <ijohnson[m]> np
[16:13] <DWD> My friend has informed me that the Snap is one which performs some computational work that could be delegated to their GPU by setting "__NV_PRIME_RENDER_OFFLOAD=1 and __GLX_VENDOR_LIBRARY_NAME=nvidia" .Assuming the snap does not set these, could they be passed in?
[16:14] <ijohnson[m]> DWD: yes if the snap does not already set values for those in the snap.yaml or as part of any wrapper scripts, you could just set those in your environment and run the appropriate command
[16:15] <DWD> Thanks very much, I'll forward this.  My friend also passes their thanks to you
[16:16] <DWD> enjoy your evening/ day :)
[17:06] <cachio> ijohnson[m], hey
[17:06] <cachio> about the comment https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10409#discussion_r664947561
[17:06] <cachio> there is not MATCH implementation in snapd
[17:07] <cachio> it is a fake function
[17:07] <cachio> so it is not possible to copy that
[17:08] <cachio> not sure if it is possible to copy the function which is in the scipt which is executed in runtime
[17:08] <cachio> that should be ideal
[17:12] <cachio> You mean to use type for that right?
[17:16] <cachio> ijohnson[m], I think I have it
[17:16] <cachio> it was much easier
[17:16] <cachio> thanks for the comment
[18:25] <cachio> ijohnson[m], updated #10409
[18:28] <ijohnson[m]> cachio: cool I'll have a look when I'm back in a bit
[18:38] <cachio> ijohnson[m], thanks
[20:40] <cachio> ijohnson[m], that approach does not work
[20:41] <cachio> because using type I get the match implementation which is empty
[20:41] <cachio> perhaps getting this in the spread.yaml could work
[20:45] <cachio> I see we already are doing type MATCH | tail -n +2 > "$TESTSLIB"/spread-funcs.sh
[20:45] <cachio> while we prepare the project
[21:01] <cachio> ijohnson[m], it is fixed now
[23:48] <futuretim> is there a branch or work being done to convert snapd to Go modules yet?


[00:05] <citizenruin> <---location of backups in lubuntu 16.04 if anyone knows off top of head
[00:06] <wxl> of backups?
[00:09] <J0hnD03ii1> wxl, I got my network running, installed a full de. just need to do the brightness now
[00:09] <J0hnD03ii1> you still here?
[00:10] <J0hnD03ii1> ls /sys/class/backlight shows asus-nb-wmi  radeon_bl0
[00:10] <wxl> J0hnD03ii1: cool, so we can just make the grub setting permanent, right?
[00:11] <J0hnD03ii1> I know how to do that already
[00:11] <wxl> so then it's just the fan? :)
[00:11] <J0hnD03ii1> yeah
[00:13] <johnjohn101> hi peeps
[00:14] <J0hnD03ii1> sup johnjohn101
[00:14] <J0hnD03ii1> brb
[00:16] <johnjohn101> 16.04 lubuntu is looking good.  when is lxqt going to be available?
[00:18] <J0hnD03ii> wxl, you herE?
[00:19] <wxl> yeah sorrry
[00:19] <wxl> at work and was on a phone call
[00:19] <J0hnD03ii> http://itsfoss.com/fix-brightness-ubuntu-1310/ can you explain how to do that with amd@?
[00:19] <wxl> so first thing's first johnjohn101 it's already available in the xenial repos, but there won't be a lubuntu with it in there as a standard until 16.10 at the earliest
[00:20] <J0hnD03ii> ls /sys/class/backlight shows asus-nb-wmi and radeon_bl0
[00:20] <J0hnD03ii> wxl, I added lxqt from the site, but the login manager doesn't list lxqt :/
[00:20] <J0hnD03ii> 2 things now ha
[00:20] <J0hnD03ii> backlight and lxqt XD
[00:20] <wxl> it should just come standard
[00:21] <wxl> backlight == brightness, no?
[00:21] <J0hnD03ii> yeah
[00:21] <wxl> i thought we had that fixed already?
[00:21] <J0hnD03ii> wxl, read above
[00:21] <J0hnD03ii> http://itsfoss.com/fix-brightness-ubuntu-1310/ can you explain how to do that with amd@?
[00:22] <wxl> tl;dr no
[00:22] <wxl> because radeon is not intel or nvidia
[00:22] <wxl> this isn't relevant to your machine
[00:23] <J0hnD03ii> oh
[00:23] <J0hnD03ii> this grub edit doesn't seem right to me
[00:24] <J0hnD03ii> oh well, beggars can't be choosers. just need the fan sortin
[00:24] <J0hnD03ii> sorting
[00:25] <wxl> J0hnD03ii: look at https://askubuntu.com/questions/22108/how-to-control-fan-speed
[00:26] <J0hnD03ii1> wxl, link me again please
[00:26] <wxl> J0hnD03ii: look at https://askubuntu.com/questions/22108/how-to-control-fan-speed
[00:47]  * Kamilion scrolls up
[00:47] <Kamilion> J0hnD03ii: apt-get install thermald
[00:48] <Kamilion> and installing LXQT breaks the session chooser -- lxqt becomes the default and it's not very easy to get back to the lxde session :/
[00:49] <Kamilion> unless they fixed that in the last month or so
[00:51] <johnjohn101> i can't wait for ubuntu lxqt to be official :)
[00:55] <J0hnD03ii> im gonna leave it for tonight, can't get what I want working. will try tomorrow. night.
[02:08] <phil42> i had some trouble getting switched to xenial
[02:08] <phil42> but the critical things are working now
[05:34] <Kiwikaki> so, 16.04 has no boot splash screen anymore? only a dark blue screen without "lubuntu" and the 5 dots.
[05:36] <n-iCe> have not tried it
[05:37] <Unit193> Kiwikaki: diff -u /usr/share/grub/default/grub /etc/default/grub, you'll likely note you don't have 'splash' correct?
[05:52] <Kiwikaki> Unit193: Thanks, I’ll test that later. My 16.04 installation does not boot. After the clear installation it does not reboot (http://abload.de/img/lubuntu1604kysn1.png) and when I press the power button for a manual restart it says „/dev/sda1: clean, 121492/8757248 files, 1192747/34999755 blocks“ and nothing happens. Now I’m back on 15.10 and it runs perfectly.
[05:54] <Unit193> Kiwikaki: If the iso hangs too, looks like some sort of compatibility.  I'd recommend removing 'quiet splash' from the boot options so you can see what's going on and where it is hanging.
[05:57] <Kiwikaki> I think it does because it also doesnt boot into live mode. Direct install mode works. Thank you, I'll try that later, too. It's an old Netbook. :)
[05:58] <Unit193> Well boots into install, that's something.
[05:59] <Kiwikaki> hehe yep
[07:41] <J0hnD03ii> day 2: trying to get lubuntu working. :p
[07:47] <Kiwikaki> Hehe same here. But I think I did it. Upgrade from a clean 15.10 to 16.04 worked for me. Clean install doesn't.
[09:11] <J0hnD03ii> I give up.
[09:16] <J0hnD03ii> every-time I try and setup lxqt, it installs lightdm. try and remove lightdm, it removes everything. -.-
[09:16] <J0hnD03ii> sudo apt-get autoremove lightdm --purge && sudo apt-get autoclean
[09:16] <J0hnD03ii> what am I doing wrong?
[09:39] <phil42> i am sticking with lxde for a while
[09:45] <lollipop> hi! I have lubuntu 16.04 installed. And I found wierd bug from the weaher apllicatuon :D When I switch to my location Helsinki (capital of Finland) it crashes the panel. But London seems to be working fine
[09:48] <lollipop> okey now the whole panel crashed :O How I restart it?
[11:15] <phil42> lxpanelctl restart
[11:16] <phil42> is what i run when lxpanel isn't working right
[11:16] <phil42> too bad you are gone
[15:29] <newjersey> How do people who have ten or twenty servers upgrade lubuntu? Do they go to each machine with a keyboard and monitor and type there? >> This session appears to be running under ssh. It is not recommended
[15:29] <newjersey> to perform a upgrade over ssh currently because in case of failure it
[15:29] <newjersey> is harder to recover.
[15:30] <Unit193> 1. I believe it opens a secondary ssh port.  2. You can do it over ssh, but be aware if anything goes wrong you may need real access to it.
[15:30] <newjersey> yes it offered to open 1022
[15:31] <newjersey> makes sense
[15:32] <newjersey> I'm just curious how people do these things at work
[15:37] <radnad> When are we planning on switching to LXQT
[15:38] <radnad> Anyone Here?
[15:38] <Unit193> Likely 16.10 cycle.
[15:45] <n-iCe> ok
[15:45] <n-iCe> downloaded 16.10
[15:45] <n-iCe> how is it!!
[15:47] <teward> lol @ 'downloaded 16.10'
[15:49]  * n-iCe dances
[15:50] <n-iCe> is in my usb stick now
[15:55] <radnad> When are we switching to LXQT
[15:55] <n-iCe> no idea
[15:55] <radnad> Oh
[15:56] <radnad> How could I contribute
[15:57] <newjersey> 16.04?
[16:01] <n-iCe> ah yes
[16:01] <n-iCe> 16.04
[16:01] <n-iCe> lol
[16:49] <n-iCe> Ok, I'm in 16.10
[16:49] <n-iCe> 16.04 dammit
[16:50] <n-iCe> I see few bugs
[16:50] <n-iCe> 1) While booting there is no wallpaper with lubuntu image.
[16:50] <n-iCe> 2) After installation succed and rebooted, lubuntu did not save my wireless network
[16:51] <n-iCe> 3) I'm connected to wireless, but network manager does not seem the signal strenght, the network manager icon is like empty.
[16:53] <wxl> n-iCe: are you reporting bugs or asking for help?
[16:54] <teward> n-iCe: bug reporting is done differently; asking for help is also different ;)(
[16:54] <teward> as wxl will explain
[16:54] <n-iCe> hehe
[16:54]  * teward leaves wxl to help people and runs away
[16:54] <n-iCe> making you notice that
[16:54] <wxl> teward: troll. :)
[16:54] <teward> wxl: :P
[17:28]  * genii tests
[17:31] <Kiwikaki> n-iCe, did you report #1? I can confirm this.
[17:32] <n-iCe> nop
[17:32] <n-iCe> I have not
[17:32] <n-iCe> haha
[17:32] <n-iCe> Kiwikaki: others two, not happening to you?
[17:32] <Kiwikaki> Nope
[17:34] <Kiwikaki> But I have lots of other bugs. After unlock my screen from Stand-by or Lockscreen, my mouse cursor is invisible. Workaround is a complete reboot. -.-
[17:42] <llwalahoop> Kamilion: Thanks!
[19:07] <Kamilion> llwalahoop: for what?
[19:33] <llwalahoop> Kamilion: For <Kamilion> llwalahoop: plymouth theme controls bootup (23:04:58) :)
[19:33] <Kamilion> ah!
[19:34] <Kamilion> thanks for the reminder
[19:34] <Kamilion> you're welcome :)
[19:34] <llwalahoop> thanks :)
[19:34] <Kamilion> you get a fancier theme now?
[19:51] <llwalahoop> Kamilion: no, not yet. I'm busy doing other stuff. I'm only just planning to dive into it maybe tomorrow.


[13:44] <zaki> hi pavlushka
[15:52] <pavlushka> Hello zaki
[15:53] <zaki> :)
[15:53] <pavlushka> zaki: compiling sagemath for RPI3, takes two days flat
[15:53] <zaki> aha
[15:54] <pavlushka> zaki: But I am compiling it for the like 10th time
[15:54] <pavlushka> zaki: So its been a week
[15:55] <zaki> not working well?
[15:55] <pavlushka> zaki: been two week with some partial/failed compiling
[15:55] <pavlushka> weeks
[15:56] <pavlushka> zaki: It should, just not getting well tuned
[15:56] <pavlushka> zaki: huge libraries and huge dependencies
[15:58] <pavlushka> zaki: cross-compiling would have been better, trying to learn it
[15:58] <pavlushka> zaki: may be someday
[15:59] <zaki> pavlushka, Good Luck.