[10:29] <dsaugft> hi!
[10:30] <ikonia> hello ?
[10:30] <dsaugft> help please
[10:30] <ikonia> with what ?
[10:54] <dsaugft> hey?
[10:54] <dsaugft> plesae
[10:54] <ikonia> it's not going to happen. Please don't start in here.
[10:54] <ikonia> window 14
[10:54]  * smartboyhw wonders what are you guys talking about
[10:54] <ikonia> oops
[10:55] <dsaugft> lol please i will need questions in future unban me hey?
[10:55] <dsaugft> why not?
[10:55] <dsaugft> ikonia plz
[10:55] <dsaugft> why not?
[10:56] <dsaugft> no this in rules
[10:56] <elky> dude, you were spamming
[10:56] <dsaugft> with the womens are always the problem
[10:56] <dsaugft> s
[10:57] <smartboyhw> dsaugft, no spamming, that is a rule..:)
[10:57] <elky> I am not the problem.
[10:57] <dsaugft> Any uhey i not spammer
[10:57] <dsaugft> i not adsenser
[10:57] <AlanBell> dsaugft: no, you have been banned on the forums and in several of our IRC channels
[10:57] <dsaugft> i just repite my question
[10:57] <dsaugft> and bot banned me
[10:57] <AlanBell> by different people of different genders, and one robot
[10:57] <elky> You spammed our channels asking for people to work for you for free. Lol.
[10:57] <AlanBell> the problem is *not* the people who have been removing you the problem is your actions
[10:58] <dsaugft> i not banned on forum
[10:58] <dsaugft> hey?!
[10:58] <AlanBell> your thread was removed, you may not have been banned
[10:59] <dsaugft> my topic was CLOSED!
[10:59] <smartboyhw> dsaugft, I think it is not the best to talk about forum disputes here...
[10:59] <dsaugft> because of stupid trolls
[11:00] <elky> Ahahaha the irony, it burns.
[11:01] <dsaugft> unban me on #ubuntu please
[11:01] <elky> no.
[11:01] <dsaugft> why?!?!?
[11:01] <elky> All the reasons listed above.
[11:01] <dsaugft> no
[11:01] <dsaugft> ok np
[11:02] <dsaugft> i can change IP
[11:02] <dsaugft> insimnis :P
[11:02] <smartboyhw> ........... dsaugft evading bans will also get you banned
[11:02] <elky> mhm, which is why you're begging us, riiiight.
[11:02] <smartboyhw> and that is against freenode rules...
[11:03] <elky> spam is much more against freenode rules
[11:04] <elky> he's already done that bit
[11:04] <dsaugft> I break the rules, because that i have dynamic IP?
[11:04] <dsaugft> seriously?
[11:04] <elky> if you change it to intentionally get around a ban, yes.
[11:04] <smartboyhw> dsaugft, no because you are evading bans
[11:05] <dsaugft> i not special evading
[11:05] <AlanBell> dsaugft: I believe you are muted rather than banned?
[11:05] <dsaugft> i not break rules
[11:05] <smartboyhw> dsaugft, you are since if you change IP for evading bans
[11:05] <elky> dsaugft, you've already stated your intent to change ip to get around the ban. this is a logged channel. google will now keep that information forever
[11:06] <dsaugft> yes now i change IP and enter on #ubuntu and what? what u will do?
[11:06] <smartboyhw> Also on irclogs.ubuntu.com
[11:06] <elky> smartboyhw, that would be where google gets it from.
[11:06] <smartboyhw> Yes:)
[11:06] <AlanBell> I suggest you idle there for several days observing what normal constructive interactions are like (and look around elsewhere) and think about how your conversations are not like the others
[11:07] <smartboyhw> AlanBell, +1
[11:08] <dsaugft> bb i go change IP
[11:09] <smartboyhw> .......
[11:09] <elky> there is some kind of learning problem with this one.
[11:10]  * smartboyhw agrees
[11:12] <elky> well he hasn't joined from client or webchat yet that i can see
[11:13] <smartboyhw> elky: yes
[11:13]  * smartboyhw is waiting


[03:10] <ohsix> hallyn: thanks for the movement on the cgroup stuff
[03:11] <hallyn> ohsix: np
[03:11] <ohsix> hallyn: fwiw re: the ktreadd thing, the default policy it moves them into could just mime the default in the kernel wrt to rt & limits
[03:11] <ohsix> then the config will have some contents but be a no-op
[03:12] <ohsix> and could contain a warning about kthreadd in particular & that other threads might be just as much trouble to mess with
[03:13] <hallyn> ohsix: i sort of like the idea of just refusing to move it into a cgrou pif it's called [.*].
[03:13] <hallyn> (and is parented by init)
[03:13] <ohsix> i'm pretty sure you can set it up to ignore kernel threads too
[03:13] <hallyn> yeah.  i think that's safer
[03:14] <hallyn> i just figure there are actual people who 'own' the code so i'll avoid stepping on toes.  I should go see if dhaval wants to do it
[03:14] <ohsix> ya
[03:15] <ohsix> if i moved the conf out of the way or made the daemon that moved threads not start i could have it installed, it just didn't do anything, it would be nice if the default config could be a jump off point
[03:17] <ohsix> (assuming no code changes)
[06:34] <evaluate> Hello.
[06:34] <evaluate> There is a pretty serious bug in ubuntu natty for the program 'clipit' which can be solved with a tiny patch. Is there any chance that such a patch might be included before the final release of natty?
[06:48] <RAOF> evaluate: It's in Universe, so: maybe.  At this point, though, it's basically an SRU.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule says “unseeded universe freeze” is today.
[06:48] <RAOF> evaluate: What is the bug?
[06:49] <evaluate> RAOF, bug #702316
[06:50] <evaluate> RAOF, and this is the needed patch: http://pastebin.com/pSkj0zvE
[06:51] <evaluate> If you say there's no chance for it making it before the release, I can do it the 'normal' way. That is, make a upload to Debian and then request a sync.
[06:57] <pitti> Good morning
[07:00] <RAOF> Morning pitti!
[07:01] <RAOF> evaluate: My IRC decided to timeout; could you throw up the bug again?
[07:01] <pitti> hey RAOF, how are you? had some nice holidays?
[07:01] <evaluate> RAOF, bug #702316
[07:01] <RAOF> pitti: One holiday too few; all the other Aussies have today off, too ;)
[07:02] <RAOF> But yeah.  Nice holidays.
[07:02] <RAOF> Featuring much lazing around in bed.
[07:02] <RAOF> And jml is down in Hobart, too, and we got to catch up.
[07:05] <pitti> RAOF: heh, I hardly got any sleep :)
[07:08] <RAOF> evaluate: That particular bug should be fixable, even post-release.  That patch looks like it'll leak objects, though?
[07:09] <RAOF> evaluate: A Debian upload + sync will get the fix in Oneric, though.
[07:09] <evaluate> RAOF, not sure, that's what tedg from #ayatana suggested for fixing the bug.
[07:10]  * RAOF has a sudden realisation that it's possible he should be patch piloting today.  Why has evolution not fired off a notification?
[07:10] <evaluate> RAOF, Oneric?
[07:10] <RAOF> evaluate: Natty+1; What we'll all be working on in ~3 days :)
[07:11] <evaluate> ohh.
[07:14] <RAOF> @pilot in
[07:26] <didrocks> good morning
[07:27] <RAOF> Howdie didrocks.  Good holidays?
[07:28] <didrocks> RAOF: yeah, only 3 days here, but was nice, thanks! :-) and you?
[07:28] <RAOF> Pretty good.
[07:28] <RAOF> A little bit annoyed that the other Aussies have today off, too :)
[07:29] <RAOF> But there was boardgames with jml, lazing around in bed, and general fun.
[07:45] <dholbach> good morning
[07:54] <pitti> hey dholbach
[07:54] <dholbach> hey pitti
[08:08] <Saamm> plz plz fix this nasty apt bug--> Bug #768901
[08:11] <dholbach> Saamm, it looks like your provider redirected you because they had some breakage somewhere - it's hardly xapian's fault that it can't parse a HTML file :)
[08:11] <dholbach> Saamm, try moving the file away to some other place and try again
[08:12] <Saamm> my provider does this whenever i am disconnected....4-5 time in 24 hours
[08:13] <dholbach> Saamm, can you try moving the file away to see if that makes it work again?
[08:13] <Saamm> there are six extras.ubuntu.com files...should i move them all?
[08:14] <RAOF> Yes.
[08:14] <Saamm> ok trying
[08:15] <tumbleweed> someone came into our loco channel yesterday, whose apt (on a headless server) was getting HTML because he'd entered an incorrect password in his DSL router. Providers are getting more user-friendly and software-unfriendly :/
[08:17] <Saamm> thanks guys you solved my problem...moving files helped :D
[08:17] <dholbach> the only solution for apt I can think of is to try to parse the file before saving it
[08:18] <Saamm> dholbach, yep that will work
[08:19] <dholbach> the question is what you should do if it's not parseable
[08:20] <tumbleweed> having users manually delete files in /var/lib/apt/lists is probably not that good an idea
[08:21] <tumbleweed> err, ... having to ...
[08:21] <dholbach> sure, totally - but depending on the frontend for apt you use you might want to have a different kind of notification/reaction
[08:21] <Saamm> dholbach, automatic correction notification ---> 'These files could not be parsed. Do you want to move them at a separate location? Apt will automatically recreate them and update your system'
[08:21] <dholbach> so it's not a "quick fix" that's going to work for all of them
[08:21] <Saamm> yes or no
[08:22] <dholbach> let's wait until mvo is here :)
[08:22] <Saamm> whos mvo?
[08:23] <dholbach> probably the guy who knows apt and friends best
[08:23] <Saamm> ok
[08:24] <slangasek> isn't that a non-issue for signed repositories?
[08:24] <slangasek> i.e., passing two html files to gpg won't get you an "ok" response
[08:25] <slangasek> so apt shouldn't be accepting those as valid Packages files anyway in such a case
[08:32]  * Hobbsee discovers the answer to the question of "what can possibly go wrong?" for an ubuntu install
[08:34] <StevenK> s/install/upgrade/
[08:34] <Hobbsee> Failure to bring up ethernet after dist-upgrade wasn't the answer I was expecting
[09:25] <janimo> @pilot in
[09:25] <janimo> @pilot out
[09:52] <RAOF> @pilot out
[10:16] <Ja23> Hello
[10:16] <Ja23> I just installed 11.04, but my shell is still GNOME not Unity... how can I change this?
[10:18] <pitti> Ja23: you can select the session type in the login screen after you select your user name
[10:18] <pitti> in the bottom panel
[10:19] <Ja23> pitti: Yeah, I tried that
[10:20] <Ja23> pitti: The "desktop edition"  is not there, I think it has something to do with ATI Radeon drivers, but I've installed all of them
[10:20] <pitti> Ja23: the session is "Ubuntu"
[10:23] <Ja23> in Italics
[10:23] <Ja23> or Ubuntu Classic
[10:23] <Ja23> not in italics
[10:25] <pitti> the one in italics is the default session
[10:51] <janimo> @pilot in
[10:51] <Ja23> Hello, I'm back
[10:52] <Ja23> No change
[10:56] <seb128> Ja23, what videocard and driver do you use?
[10:57] <Ja23> seb128: I have a Radeon HD 5600, I've installed the additional drivers
[10:58]  * dholbach hugs janimo
[10:58]  * janimo hugs dholbach
[10:58] <dholbach> :)
[10:58] <Ja23> seb128:  When I first turned on my computer it gave me lots of errors about there being no 3d driver and that unity wouldn't work, but now that i've gottten the drivers how do I turn Unity back on?
[10:58] <seb128> Ja23, by selecting "Ubuntu" in the gdm screen
[10:59] <seb128> if it doesn't work it might mean that your videocard can't run it
[10:59] <seb128> did you restart your computer after installing the drivers?
[10:59] <pitti> my wife's ATI card (r6xx) runs unity just fine with the free drivers, too
[10:59] <Ja23> seb128: gdm screen?  I've chosen "ubuntu" on the login screen a couple times
[11:00] <Ja23> Hmm
[11:00] <seb128> ok, so it's likely your card doesn't support unity
[11:00] <RAOF> The binary fglrx drivers *were* having problems earlier in the cycle.
[11:00] <seb128> try running the unity_support_test helper by hand and see what it says
[11:01] <RAOF> And by "earlier" I mean "like a couple of weeks ago".  I'm not sure if we've got an updated fglrx since then.
[11:06] <Ja23> I tried running unity_support_test and got "segmentation fault"
[11:09] <seb128> Ja23, did you restart the computer since you installed fglrx?
[11:10] <seb128> Ja23, can you run it with gdb and pastebin the crash backtrace?
[11:11] <Ja23> I'm restarting just to find out
[11:15] <Ja23> restarted, still no unity
[11:24] <RAOF> Ja23: And unity_support_test still segfaults?
[11:25] <Ja23> yep
[11:25] <Ja23> RAOF: yep
[11:25] <seb128> could you pastebin a stacktrace?
[11:25] <seb128> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Backtrace
[11:26] <seb128> well just basically run gdb ... and type run
[11:26] <seb128> then "bt" when it segfaults
[11:28] <Ja23> so I ran gdp
[11:32] <Ja23> but how do I run the program?
[11:32] <Ja23> unity_support_test
[11:33] <Ja23> I get "no executable file specified"
[11:33] <Ja23> better half is waiting, I have to go to dinner, leave me some advice, I'll be back to read it in a few hours
[11:33] <Ja23> Thanks so much for your help!
[11:44] <RAOF> Ja23: You want to run “gdb /usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test” and then type “run” at the gdb prompt to run the program.  Presumably it'll then crash, and you can type “bt” to grab the backtrace.
[12:26] <ogra_> hmm, using lzma for compressing the initrd in natty gets me weird results
[12:26] <ogra_> if i just use update-initramfs with COMPRESSION=lzma in the config, i cant boot at all
[12:27] <ogra_> if i use gzip as compression method, uncompress the initrd and recompress manually with lzma -z, all boots fine
[12:28] <ogra_> seems a bit like lzma behaves differently if something gets piped to it vs calling it with a filename to compress
[12:41] <ogra_> cjwatson, is there any reason we dont use initramfs-tools' lzma mode in livecd-rootfs (and instesad recompress a gzipped initrd) ?
[12:47] <cjwatson> ogra_: no idea
[12:47] <cjwatson> ogra_: it was years ago, maybe it didn't have that mode
[12:47] <ogra_> oh, i thought .lz inirds only came recently
[12:47] <ogra_> *initrds
[12:48] <ogra_> (on the live images i mean)
[12:48] <ogra_> i think there is a bug in initramfs-tools with it, lzma is called completely without options in mkinitrd
[12:49] <cjwatson> IIRC needing to use -S '' in some cases
[12:49] <cjwatson> or something like that
[12:49] <ogra_> well, livecd-rootfs uses -9c
[12:49] <ogra_> manually i just used -z ... in any case i cant boot anything that was rolled without options to lzma
[15:04] <ogra> cjwatson, heh, in streamed (piped) mode lzma doesnt add the filesize to the header so the kernel wont load the initrd, in non-streamed i have a size (according to file)
[15:12] <infinity> ogra: That does make a certain amount of sense.  Streams don't have filesizes.  Shame on the kernel for seemingly requiring that in its decompressor, though.
[15:14] <ogra> infinity, well, i'm playing with my own (tegra2) kernel ... might be my fault, though i took one of our distro configs as base and dont really think i'm missing anything
[15:14] <infinity> ogra: I can't imagine that there's a kernel config option that says "make my initrd require an obscure compression header", so I imagine the fault isn't yours. :P
[15:15] <ogra> heh, k :)
[15:15] <infinity> ogra: But if it's the case that initramfs-tools-generated lzma images don't work, while it's probably a kernel bug, we should fix it in initramfs too.  Conservative in what you create, liberal in what you accept, yadda, yadda.
[15:15] <chrisccoulson> SpamapS, could I have an ack for bug 770719? like the firefox bug you looked at last week, this one would go out via natty-security with the next firefox point-release (if there is one. if there isn't, then we'll just do the usual route through natty-proposed)
[15:15] <ogra> well, i see that livecd-rootfs seems to create a streamed lzma file and our live x86 images apparently work
[15:15] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure why nobody picked this up earlier in the cycle :(
[15:16] <infinity> ogra: Hrm?  I thought you said livecd-rootfs was re-compressing a gzip initrd?
[15:16] <ogra> it does, but still from a stream
[15:16] <infinity> Oh, so the stream thing may be a red herring.
[15:16] <ogra> i can boot if i manually uncompress the gzipped file and use lzma on that ... i cant boot if i pipe to lzma
[15:17] <ogra> looking at both results with file shows me size info on one but not the other file
[15:17] <infinity> Kay, that seems like normal behaviour though.  Streams don't have sizes.
[15:18] <infinity> Nailing down what makes the initramfs-tools-generated one even more different would be nice.
[15:19] <JanC> not sure this came through before I lost my connection --> you mean the compressed size?  it obviously *can't* add that to a *header* when streaming...
[15:20] <infinity> JanC: Yes, as noted.
[15:20] <infinity> JanC: But it doesn't seem that's his problem anyway.
[15:21] <ogra> well, its non std HW with a non STD kernel and bootloader .. the worrying part is that i can boot one but not the other, the only real difference in creation is that one is streamed, the other isnt
[15:21] <ogra> and even when creating a streamed one manually it doesnt boot
[15:22] <JanC> maybe the kernel-implementation for lzma decompression requires the size ?
[15:23] <infinity> ogra: But if you zcat | lzma a gzip one, it works?
[15:23] <ogra> no
[15:23] <ogra> that creates a streamed file
[15:24] <infinity> Oh, kay.  I misread above where I thought you said that worked, but initramfs-tools didn't.
[15:24] <infinity> Kay.
[15:24] <infinity> But, on the other hand, the livecds use a pipe too.
[15:24] <ogra> if i zcat > <file> && lzma -z <file> it works
[15:24] <infinity> Are you using the same switches?
[15:24] <ogra> yes, thats what bothers me
[15:24] <infinity> zcat | lzma -9c
[15:24] <ogra> it also tried with the same switches, no go
[15:25] <infinity> *scratch head*
[15:25] <ogra> also tried -zc (which might be redundant)
[15:25] <ogra> as well as just -c and no option at all (the latter is what initramfs-tools uses)
[15:26] <infinity> Does the streamed and in-place compression result in a file of reasonably similar size?
[15:26] <infinity> Could be running into a hardware/firmware issue that's entirely unrelated to the kernel.
[15:26] <ogra> about 1-2 bytes difference
[15:26] <infinity> Kay, scratch that.
[15:27] <ogra> my bootloader tool would complain if its to big
[15:27] <infinity> ARM hardware?
[15:27] <ogra> if i flash it to the SD
[15:27] <ogra> yep
[15:27] <ogra> ac100 netbook, tegra2
[15:27] <infinity> Which bootloader does it use?
[15:27] <infinity> I wonder if it's one of the few that "cleverly" decompresses the initrd internally and passes a raw image to the kernel.
[15:28] <ogra> its something fastboot based
[15:28] <infinity> And maybe it's the bootloader's failure here, not the kernel.
[15:29] <ogra> reads the files from an SD partition where the binary bits have to live in certain places ...
[15:31] <infinity> ogra: Any chance you could experiment by stripping a driver or two our of the initrd, then recompressing?
[15:31] <infinity> ogra: I'm still tempted to blame size and call the streaming thing a red herring.
[15:31] <ogra> you mean make it smaller ?
[15:31] <infinity> Yes. :P
[15:31]  * ogra drops FRAMEBUFFER=y from the initrd options to drop plymouth
[15:31] <infinity> That would do it.
[15:31] <ogra> that should gain me a few M
[15:34] <cjwatson> infinity: boot loader decompressing initrd> *boggle*
[15:35] <cjwatson> and people complain about GRUB having too many features
[15:35] <infinity> cjwatson: You've obviously not played much in the scary embedded world.  Bootloaders do all sorts of stupid things.
[15:36] <infinity> cjwatson: The only misfeature GRUB appears to have is failing entirely to boot my netbook on every 4th attempt.
[15:37] <ScottK> It's only a misfeature if upstream doesn't have it in for you personally.
[15:37] <ion> !away | bjf
[15:37] <ogra> infinity, wow, weird. seems to boot with the 1.8M streamed initrd
[15:38] <bjf> ion, mind your own business
[15:38] <infinity> ogra: Bingo.
[15:38] <cjwatson> infinity: score.  one of those things that's a pain to debug other than in person
[15:38] <ogra> it doesnt work with the 4.2M streamed one, but works with the 4.2M one thats non streamed
[15:38] <infinity> ogra: Not that this tells me yet where the bug lies, but it tells us the streaming thing was a red herring.
[15:39] <ogra> well, seems streaming has some influence if i get to the edge of things
[15:39] <ScottK> bjf: Personally I don't care about the away messages since I filter them, but that's an unreasonably hostile response as such requests are consistent with the channel's rules.
[15:39] <ogra> though 4.2 shouldnt actually hit the edge yet
[15:39] <infinity> ogra: Or, rather, the streaming thing is likely a data point that we were misinterpreting.  The header is irellevant, but decompression utilities need more memory to decompress streams.
[15:40] <ogra> ah, yeah, that might be it
[15:40] <infinity> ogra: So, even if the initrds are the same size, you may still be running into either a platform or kernel constraint with the streamed version.
[15:40] <ogra> well, then rolling it un-streamed from initramfs-tools still makes sense i think
[15:40] <infinity> ogra: Oh, I'd agree that changing the behaviour for both initramfs-tools and livecd-rootfs is a good idea here anyway, erring on the side of caution, but I'd be curious to nail the actual bug.
[15:41] <infinity> ogra: Do you have a kernel source tree lying around?
[15:41] <infinity> ogra: Ancient bug, and I'd like to THINK the fix was upstreamed, but can you check that some variation of the patch in https://dev.openwrt.org/ticket/3488 shows up in our source?
[15:42] <ogra> infinity, http://gitorious.org/ac100/  the marvin chromium tree from there
[15:42] <infinity> ogra: s/our/your/
[15:43] <kees> infinity: hi! nice to see you :)
[15:43] <infinity> ogra: Either way, though, even if the kernel is now doing sane and wonderful things (and I hope it is), there's only so much you can do on some of these embedded platforms to deal with early-boot memory constraints.  A lot of them really aren't keen on lighting up much/any of the system until later in the process.
[15:44] <infinity> kees: Oh hai.
[15:45] <sconklin> ScottK: can you point me to the channel rules?
[15:46] <ogra> infinity, yeah, on the ac100 its actually a shame ... i have two boot partitions (android kernel and android recovery) on an 8G MMC that the bootloader holds the partition table for ... i cant repartition at all (and there are several partitions on the device that are even hidden from the kernel completely
[15:46] <ogra> )
[15:46] <ScottK> There's a link to them when you /join.
[15:47] <SpamapS> chrisccoulson: reading now
[15:48] <sconklin> ScottK: All I get is the topic, which points to this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment, which makes no mention of IRC rules
[15:48] <ScottK> OK.  In any case the request was a pretty standard one for Ubuntu channels.
[15:48]  * ScottK isn't an irc lawyering expert.
[15:49] <bjf> scottk, maybe i was a little harsh, i can accept that and i'm sorry, but i've been doing my nic this way for two years now and this is maybe the second time anyone has complained
[15:49] <james_w> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines
[15:50] <bjf> ScottK, this is SOP for the kernel channel
[15:50] <ScottK> james_w: Thanks.
[15:50] <bjf> ScottK, and if it's a problem, then I can just drop this channel
[15:50] <ScottK> As I said, I just filter them, so it doesn't affect me either way.  I was more concerned about the harshness of the response.
[15:50] <ScottK> So don't leave on my account.
[15:50] <bjf> ScottK, now, i've taken up more of your and my time than is necessary for this
[15:51] <ScottK> Agreed.
[15:52] <SpamapS> chrisccoulson: I commented on the bug. Don't forget to subscribe ubuntu-sru after you upload to natty-proposed. :)
[15:52] <infinity> ogra: Can you file bugs on initramfs-tools and livecd-rootfs requesting a chance from piped to file-based compression?  It's probably a sane change even if it isn't the real bug at play here.
[15:52] <infinity> ogra: Saving a bit of RAM on boot is never a bad thing.
[15:53] <cjwatson> (as an #ubuntu-devel op) I think away nick changes are annoying and noisy, but I wouldn't ban people for them, and I more or less never even comment on them because it has an excellent chance of turning into this kind of meta-discussion which is more annoying than the original problem
[15:53] <ogra> infinity, will do, for my use case i can work around it in flash-kernel though
[15:53] <infinity> ogra: *nod*
[15:53] <infinity> cjwatson: Like what's happening right now? :)
[15:53] <cjwatson> well, quite so
[15:56] <sconklin> james_w: thanks
[16:06] <Ja23> Hello
[16:06] <Ja23> I've just installed Natty and Unity is not showing up for me, instead I still have GNOME
[16:07] <Ja23> When I try to run unity_support_test I get a segmentation fault
[16:07] <Ja23> When I backtrace it using gdb I get: #0  0x002c3824 in XF86DRIQueryExtension () from /usr/lib/fglrx/libGL.so.1
[16:07] <Ja23> #1  0x00165ae6 in ?? () from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libX11.so.6
[16:08] <seb128> Ja23: seems like fglrx is wrongly installed
[16:08] <Ja23> Ohh, Ok, uninstall and reinstall?
[16:08] <seb128> see bug #747286
[16:08] <Ja23> seb123: uninstall reinstall?
[16:18] <Ja23> seb123: The solution is to reset the xorg.conf file using :
[16:18] <Ja23>   $ aticonfig -f --initial
[16:18] <Ja23> seb123: what does this mean?
[16:19] <Ja23> seb123: what exactly does reset mean?
[16:19] <seb128> Ja23, dunno
[16:20] <seb128> but the issue seems to be that you are mixing 2 drivers
[16:20] <Ja23> Mmm
[16:20] <infinity> Ja23: (It's seb128, not seb123)
[16:21] <Ja23> Yeah, I just noticed that..
[18:13] <eitch0000> hi guys. Yesterday I asked about a problem with an application which crashes with error messages about wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64. I tracked the problem to being that the application is actually compiled for 32 bit and thus can't load the 64 bit libraries. This same package worked in Maverick, is there something I can do, to get it to work? I've got the ia32-libs already installed.
[18:32] <mdz> bryceh, around?
[18:50] <infinity> eitch0000: You want to take your support questions to #ubuntu, ideally.
[18:53] <eitch0000> infinity, ok, thanks
[19:31] <bjf> ion, i do apologize for earlier, don't know why i was in such a bad mood
[19:39] <SpamapS> question.. is there somewhere definitive that defines the LP: #012345 format? /usr/share/perl5/Dpkg/Vendor/Ubuntu.pm seems like it would be de facto...
[19:42] <janimo> @pilot out
[19:57] <infinity> SpamapS: Since that's what creates the Launchpad-Bugs-Fixed header in .changes files (and everything else keys off that), it would be fair to call dpkg the authority.
[19:58] <infinity> SpamapS: But curiously, I couldn't readily find any docs in the wiki explaining it to people who didn't already know the syntax.
[19:58] <SpamapS> infinity: seems like something important to put in the packaging guide/policy
[19:58] <infinity> Guide, not policy.
[19:58] <infinity> But yes.
[19:58] <infinity> Pretty sure the Debian packaging guide mentions Closes: #NNN
[19:58] <infinity> Or the dev-ref, rather.
[19:59] <james_w> http://people.canonical.com/~cjwatson/ubuntu-policy/policy.html/ch-source.html#s-dpkgchangelog
[19:59] <soren> SpamapS: does
[19:59] <soren> SpamapS: Whoops
[19:59] <soren> SpamapS: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClosingBugsFromChangelog
[19:59] <james_w> "Ubuntu: If this upload resolves bugs recorded in Launchpad, they may be automatically closed on the inclusion of this package into the Ubuntu archive by including the string: LP: #nnnnn in the change details.[20] This information is conveyed via the Launchpad-Bugs-Fixed field in the .changes file (see Launchpad-Bugs-Fixed, Section 5.6.23)."
[20:00] <soren> james_w: Ah, even better.
[20:00] <infinity> Oh, lookie there, it's in Policy.
[20:00] <infinity> I was looking in the packaging guide, since I didn't think it should be a policy thing. :P
[20:00] <SpamapS> There it is. Ok good. :)
[20:01] <SpamapS> Some things omit the required \s+ .. :-P
[20:04] <infinity> The LP regex sure is less sloppy than the Closes one.
[20:04] <infinity> I guess we decided to be more anal about format the second time around.
[20:06] <Factor-H> Anyone responsible for the wireless problem on nettops like the Aspire-One?
[20:07] <Factor-H> Because the problem is detected in the hardware initialization.
[20:08] <Factor-H> If the board is already initialized by windows, then Ubuntu 11.04 works fine
[20:08] <Factor-H> And only then
[20:35] <shadeslayer> nhandler: congrats btw :)
[20:39] <Factor-H> Another bug is feeding SKYPE with stereo MIC where SKYPE subtracts one channel from the other, witn no option to force a MONO input... resulting in no MIC sound in Skype EXCEPT if you use a declared external MIC.
[20:40] <Factor-H> This happens because for almost 2 years there is no way to force a MONO input in a stereo board with a channel only.
[20:44] <Factor-H> The sound recorder in Ubuntu works therefore properly (he assumes mono) were Skype expects what it is told (stereo MIC). Why the sound is reduced to near zero is a matter of the Skype internal choices, under the incorrect information from the sound system used by Ubuntu. This is noticed in the Aspire-One (again).
[21:01] <mick_laptop> hi everyone
[21:01] <mick_laptop> I'm trying to track down what I believe to be a kernel issue - is anyone around for me to poke if I have issues?
[21:02] <mick_laptop> in short when I copy a file (locally or over ethernet) after a certain percentage- my box freezes and my mouse etc becomes unresponsive
[21:02] <mick_laptop> I'm compiling a kernel from kernel.org (latest stable) to see if it might be a maintream or an ubuntu specific issue
[21:04] <mick_laptop> when I did: wget -c http://192.168.x.x/ubuntu.iso my box would freeze after 82%. When I did: unsquashfs on filesystem.squashfs (cp'ed from /casper on the install iso) - after 2% it always hangs
[21:06] <nhandler> shadeslayer: Thanks a lot (assuming GSoC) :)
[21:06] <mick_laptop> shit - while building the kernel it crashed :(
[21:06] <mick_laptop> i shouldn't have tried to install vim while it was working
[21:07] <mick_laptop> do i need to do a "make clean" or can i just run make again?
[21:07] <seb128> try #ubuntu-kernel?
[21:07] <mick_laptop> it has been running for a long time so far :(
[21:07] <mick_laptop> seb128: thanks
[21:08] <seb128> yw
[21:19] <lars_t_h> mick_laptop, you laptop may have a thermal design problem -  that is - it cannot cool itself good enough
[21:40] <mick_laptop> lars_t_h: it is a desktop - and no, that doesn't happen after 5 minutes of use in a cold room
[21:40] <lars_t_h> ok
[22:05] <mtaylor> if I'm getting a kernel panic on boot consistently with the latest natty kernel - what's the best way to capture/report that?
[22:24] <hallyn> mtaylor: a camera has become a pretty normal way
[22:25] <mtaylor> hallyn: really? ok. I'll go that next. file on ubuntu/+source/linux?
[22:25] <broder> mtaylor, hallyn: install linux-crashdump
[22:25] <broder> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/CrashdumpRecipe
[22:27] <hallyn> broder: neat
[22:27] <broder> obviously that requires that the panic isn't *too* early :-P
[22:28] <hallyn> (as mine tend to be)
[23:55] <jibel> TheMuso, Hi, can you help in testing ubuntu desktop and alternate powerpc images ?


[09:04] <maxb> ugh, I don't like my mornings being synchronized with the block-the-ppa-publisher-for-an-hour-or-more cronjob
[09:08] <mrevell> Morning
[10:52] <rdb> is there a way to delete comments on bugs?
[10:53] <rdb> someone has been posting spam links
[10:53] <wgrant> We can hide them. Which bug?
[10:53] <rdb> this guy has a virus or so
[10:54] <rdb> wgrant, let me list them for you, it'll take a while, it's like 20 of them at least
[10:54] <wgrant> We've had some users with compromised webmail accounts lately, yeah :/
[10:54] <wgrant> rdb: What's the username? I can probably look them up from there.
[10:54] <rdb> starplant
[10:55] <wgrant> Oh dear, that is a few.
[10:55] <rdb> and counting
[10:55] <wgrant> There's been nothing for half an hour.
[10:55] <rdb> all of them just came in within the same few minutes
[10:56] <rdb> huh? half an hour ago?
[10:56] <rdb> then the e-mails must have been delayed for a half-hour
[10:57] <wgrant> I see comments on ~12 bugs, 34 minutes ago.
[10:57] <rdb> all spam
[10:57] <wgrant> Those are the only spam comments by that user.
[10:57] <wgrant> I'll remove them in a sec.
[10:57] <rdb> thanks :)
[10:58] <wgrant> If the spam continues we can suspend the account until it stops.
[10:58] <rdb> okay, I'll let you know if there's more trouble
[10:58] <wgrant> Thanks.
[10:58] <rdb> thank you :)
[10:59] <rdb> seems a bit weird to me that bug drivers can't remove bug comments
[11:00] <rdb> bug supervisor*
[11:06] <wgrant> rdb: I think I got all of it. Thanks for letting us know, and poke us again if any more shows up,.
[11:07] <rdb> wgrant, thanks!
[17:30] <vanguard> I tried to build Java Program using a recipe but the build failed because "ca-certificates-java" could not be installed on the building machine. Can I do anything about that?
[18:04] <jf_> hi, is there an admin in the room ?
[18:04] <jf_> I need help to set a private project
[22:52] <glyph> hey guys, what gives?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/746104 got reverted, but no comment on the bug?
[23:01] <james_w> glyph, I think there might have been a global revert, rather than that specific change
[23:02] <james_w> I don't see a revert of that revision, so it's likely that
[23:03] <glyph> james_w: Oh, OK.
[23:04] <glyph> james_w: Well instead I should complain that Launchpad's release management tools don't let you specify a release version for "fix released" so that when a rollback happens you can't do bulk operations on tickets affected by that revision :)
[23:06] <james_w> glyph, indeed
[23:13] <james_w> glyph, bug 746897 is what caused it appears, if you care
[23:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi all. is there a guide to setting up lp as a read only mirror of a 'primary' bzr server? i'm wandering around help.lp but not sure what i'm looking for
[23:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, i might hae found it


[03:31] <Afdal> Can anyone tell me where xfce stores its current system font settings?
[03:35] <Afdal> Aha, it's ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xsettings.xml
[03:40] <Afdal> But I guess that's not what I"m looking for
[03:40] <Afdal> What I'm really interested in is where xubuntu stores its -default- font settings, used when xsettings strings are empty
[09:51] <xu-irc83w> can someone help me? im currently installing xubuntu 20.04 on my 12 yo mac byt after i finished setting up and waiting for the installation process the install xubuntu window disappear and it left my screen black with a loading cursor
[09:52] <gnrp> xu-irc83w: It is still in that state?
[09:52] <gnrp> for how long has it been?
[09:52] <gnrp> Press Ctrl+Alt+F1
[09:55] <xu-help54w> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/e5d8ebd3216cc2344871279f6ab3eb4c/20210927_165302.jpg
[09:55] <xu-help54w> can someone help me? it shows loading cursor with black screen while im installing ubuntu
[09:56] <xu-help54w> 1. I install xubuntu ISO
[09:56] <xu-help54w> 2. I make flashanle drive using balena
[09:57] <xu-help54w> 3. i flash it to my mac
[09:57] <xu-help54w> 4. I finish all process and now waiting for the knstallation to complete
[09:57] <xu-help54w> 5. but the installation window suddently disappear and only shows that
[09:57] <gnrp> xu-irc28w: For how long hast it been in that state?
[09:57] <gnrp> and if you press Ctrl+Alt+F1, what do you see?
[09:57] <xu-help54w> 30 min
[09:58] <xu-help54w> still same
[09:58] <xu-help54w> no terminal
[09:59] <gnrp> tbh, I would just restart the machine (ctrl+alt+del) and if in doubt, restart the installation, or was that a big process for you?
[09:59] <xu-help54w> it took so many time to get into the installation process again
[09:59] <xu-help54w> like 2 hr
[10:00] <xu-help54w> my machine is 2010 macbook pro
[10:00] <gnrp> I suppose this is the state where the machine is rebooting. Maybe some job is failing there
[10:00] <gnrp> although there are timeouts
[10:00] <xu-help54w> before the screen goes black the installation progress bar didnt even reach half of the progress
[10:01] <xu-help54w> should i just wait?
[10:01] <xu-help54w> first time i install it shows SquashFS Errors blabla bla
[10:02] <xu-help54w> then i reboot and try to install again
[10:02] <gnrp> oh, ok. Then I cannot help, sorry
[10:02] <xu-help54w> then when i reach to where i set my user it says invalid username cannot but i have met the username requirements
[10:02] <xu-help54w> then i tried to install again
[10:02] <xu-help54w> and now it goes like this
[10:02] <xu-help54w> ok  then
[10:03] <oopsdc> so what should i do
[10:05] <oopsdc> EH IT SHOWS TERMINAL
[10:05] <oopsdc> after i ctrl alt f4
[10:05] <oopsdc> plsss helpp
[10:06] <rud0lf> ctrl+alt+f7
[10:06] <rud0lf> to get back to desktop
[10:06] <rud0lf> f1-f6 are terminals
[10:06] <oopsdc> oo
[10:07] <oopsdc> no i mean i want to get out from situation where im stuck on blackscreen with cursor only while im still installing xubuntu
[10:07] <oopsdc> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/e5d8ebd3216cc2344871279f6ab3eb4c/20210927_165302.jpg
[10:10] <oopsdc> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/f7b48275eec3efe4b33853793bb4e239/20210927_170848.jpg
[10:10] <oopsdc> it shows that when i press ctrl alt f1
[10:13] <rud0lf> i'm not an expert in that field but it seems nuoveau driver has problems
[10:13] <rud0lf> i mean graphics driver
[10:13] <rud0lf> but don't rely on me
[10:17] <oopsdc> um i tried to install on safe graphics mode
[10:18] <oopsdc> now trying
[11:22] <needhelp> Hello! Can someone help me? Iam trying to install Xubuntu on mac old mac and when it complete the setup and now installing it freezes
[11:24] <needhelp> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/95c2929507087a7a85824494934f4aea/20210927_182049.jpg
[21:48] <xu-irc49w> hello everyone can i ask something
[21:49] <Bashing-om> !ask | xu-irc49w
[21:51] <xu-irc49w> the Xubuntu 18.04 release untul when its supported? sry for stupid question im new on linux
[21:53] <pleia2> it went out of support on April 29, 2021
[21:53] <oerheks> Xubuntu 18.04 is a long-term support (LTS) release and will be supported for 3 years, until April 2021.
[21:53] <Bashing-om> xu-irc49w: The only stupid questions are those not asked. 18.04 is LTS and standard support is for 5 years from release -- April of 2023 :D
[21:54] <pleia2> Bashing-om: that's Ubuntu :)
[21:54] <pleia2> Xubuntu is 3 years
[21:54] <pleia2> https://xubuntu.org/release/18-04/
[21:55] <Bashing-om> pleia2: oerheks: Yeah ... my bad  66 - yeah I do stand corrected :D
[21:55] <oerheks> Bashing-om, no, that is for Ubuntu only, even Kubuntu gives 3 years :-(
[21:55] <oerheks> then again, 3 years, that is a lot.
[21:56] <xu-irc49w> im looking a linux distro for a real old netbook,32 bit,thats why i cant install the newest versions cuz they dont support 32bit
[21:57] <xu-irc49w> i heard that xubuntu is real lightweight but i need support for 1-2years more atleast
[22:00] <oerheks> you 'heard' wrong.
[22:00] <oerheks> anyway even if you upgraded from 16.04-18.04-20.04, not all packages are available, dead end street
[22:01] <oerheks> use an other distro or android 32 bit for pc
[22:02] <xu-irc49w> any recommendations?
[22:02] <oerheks> no.


[06:01] <InHisName> Morning
[10:38] <rmg51> Morning
[13:09] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples
[16:08] <InHisName> Late Morning
[17:11] <pleia2> someone at the hotel last night mentioned "wawa or 7-11" I'm like "Wawa :D"
[17:11] <pleia2> they were from NJ
[17:19] <InHisName> figures.....
[17:27] <InHisName> When I first moved to PA from Fla, I confused them with Suwanee
[17:28] <InHisName> Now I see Wawa has built a BIG monster opposite SeaWorld.
[19:36] <ChinnoDog> pleia2: Better drink the WaWa egg nog while you can.
[19:44] <pleia2> ChinnoDog: I ran into said NJ person in San Diego
[19:44] <pleia2> no WaWa here :)
[19:44] <pleia2> Wawa too
[19:48] <ChinnoDog> When you are here I mean
[19:49] <ChinnoDog> Unless you are checking luggage or you want to ship some home to yourself.
[19:49] <waltman> mmm, WaWa
[19:49] <waltman> ack! I'm doing it too!
[19:50] <ChinnoDog> There aren't any WaWas for many miles from here.
[21:16] <pleia2> ChinnoDog: do they carry it after christmas? (we're coming the week of new years, not christmas)
[21:17] <pleia2> I seem to recall it disappears pretty quick after christmas day :)
[21:17] <ChinnoDog> ooh. idk. hmm
[21:17] <ChinnoDog> Better have someone stockpile for you
[21:18] <pleia2> hah


[01:22] <mup> PR operator#1091 opened: feat: add Relation.active, exclude inactive relations from Model.relations <Created by tonyandrewmeyer> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/1091>


[00:19] <Sircle> Any comments on services / dedicated managed email servers like hostlyt.com or https://www.mailercore.com/powermta-smtp-email-server/ in contrast to services like mailgun, sendgrid, SES etc? If one has volume, arn't the former better and has more freedom? (can't say about reputation though as have not used them but they do provide many things
[00:19] <Sircle> preconfigured. My subscribers are increasing rapidly (which is a good sign) but I am not an expert and sometimes get sick of mailgun restrictions .  if dedicated managed self hosted email server like mailercore or hostlyt.com, things can be cheaper. BUT I worked very hard to get the members. With quantity, i want quality + more freedom, less cost.
[00:19] <Sircle> You know the wishes of everyone
[00:24] <tomreyn> you seem to be looking for recommendations on business strategy in terms of choosing SaaS providers. i don't think an operating systesm' channel is necessarily the right place for such.
[00:29] <Sircle> tomreyn ya I thought server admins might know about it
[00:35] <tomreyn> this may be your needs, and someone here may be able to support your needs. still, the channel topic differs.
[01:10] <Sircle> ok
[03:44] <lunatiq> if ti says to reboot because of the kernal does it apply the new kernel on reboot?
[03:44] <lunatiq> I did a apt-upgrade on 22.04 LTS
[03:46] <mybalzitch> you can check /boot, but yes its supposed to boot into the newer kernel on reboot if apt installs a new one.
[03:47] <lunatiq> ty
[03:48] <mybalzitch> vmlinuz should point to the highest number kernel


[17:51] <minimal> holmanb: I had a look and no part of c-i makes use of the FS_LABELS or ISO9660_DEVS values determined by ds-identify. Seems strange to have ds-identify to probe things like that and then have cloud-init-local to again probe for the same stuff
[17:54] <minimal> holmanb: "what is the tool for?" - it's part of #4772 that I recently raised. I added +x before "git add'ing" the script but I'd expected setup.py anyway to ensure that scripts are installed as executable (also Github AFAIK provided no way to see stored Git executable status)


[03:17] <ripps> woo, new ati driver. how long until it gets into Maverick?
[03:33] <RAOF> Probably pretty soon.
[03:42]  * bryceh waves
[03:51] <RAOF> bryceh: Good $TIME_OF_DAY!
[04:10] <RAOF> if(party_like_its_1989) { … }
[04:11] <RAOF> I love the X server.
[04:16]  * warewolf waves
[07:06] <RAOF> I WIN!
[08:24] <tjaalton> RAOF: what did you do this time? :)
[08:24] <RAOF> I won the “why is Q965 going mad on modesetting” award.
[08:25] <RAOF> Answer: the cursor.
[08:25] <tjaalton> ah
[08:57] <ara> RAOF, hi!
[08:57] <RAOF> ara: Hi!
[08:57] <ara> RAOF, how is it going?
[08:57] <RAOF> Pretty well.
[08:58] <RAOF> Rounding up a marvelous 965 bug which has provided _hours_ of entertainment!
[08:58] <ara> RAOF, nice :-)
[08:58] <RAOF> How about your fine self?
[08:59] <ara> RAOF, good, thanks, wondering if anyone has reported animations to be extremely slow in maverick with nVidia (either proprietary or free drivers)
[08:59] <RAOF> Which particular animations?
[09:00] <RAOF> And to answer your actual question: no, I haven't run across reports of that kind.
[09:00] <ara> i.e. creating a new bubble of conversation in empathy with the ubuntu theme
[09:00] <ara> minimizing windows, or maximizing them
[09:00] <RAOF> No.
[09:00] <RAOF> The best I can do you is “Fullscreen flash is really jerky with nouveau or nv”
[09:01] <RAOF> I guess you're reporting this now? :)
[09:01] <ara> OK, I will report it. Right now I am with the nouveau driver
[09:02] <ara> if it keeps being this slow in the following weeks, maybe we can have a look in Prague
[09:02] <RAOF> Absolutely.
[09:02] <RAOF> I expect to be doing a certain amount of “hey my machine $DOES_CRAZY_THING_X”ing there :)
[09:03] <ara> :)
[09:03] <ara> great, thanks!
[09:03]  * ara ubuntu-bugs xorg
[09:12] <ara> RAOF, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/602582
[09:12] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 602582 in xorg (Ubuntu) "Desktop animations are very slow using either nouveau or nvidia drivers (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[09:36] <bryceh> hi ara
[09:37] <ara> hey bryceh, nice to see you around :)
[13:25] <tjaalton> so it's a new feature that the mouse cursor disappears after a few seconds when it's still?
[13:26] <tseliot> tjaalton: yep, you can remove "unclutter" to get rid of it
[13:26] <tseliot> I did
[13:28] <tjaalton> tseliot: ah, okay
[13:29] <tjaalton> well, it's ok as is, just good to know :)
[13:47] <xelister> hi
[13:48] <xelister> around 5 computers, 4 monitors
[13:48] <xelister> most of them suck on ubuntu - hangs, freezes, crashes,  bad resolutions
[13:48] <xelister> is there any hope to find here someone to really look into such cases if I report them and to solve this?
[18:29] <Sarvatt> RAOF: the fullscreen flash being jerky with nouveau or nv seems like it might be a kernel problem to me, ondemand + flash no workie right on my amd boxes :)
[18:31] <Sarvatt> if its windowed fullscreen its fine but once it goes to real fullscreen it stays at 800mhz and is choppy unless i switch governers or manually pick any other speed
[19:34] <Sarvatt> i'm putting (Needs 6.13.1) in the title of ati bugs fixed in the new version
[19:34] <Sarvatt> like xv on r100
[19:56] <Sarvatt> hmm nvidia-current-dev is kind of sketchy
[19:57] <jcristau> Sarvatt: with xproto and libXfont out of the way server 1.9 is good to go, right?
[19:57] <Sarvatt> i'm not sure actually, I updated all protos and libs from git and haven't tried with just xproto and libXfont
[19:58] <jcristau> seems to build here anyway
[19:58] <Sarvatt> it should be fine
[19:58] <jcristau> 0 testing though :)
[19:58] <Sarvatt> its going to need macros 1.10 soon though
[20:02] <Sarvatt> a ton of drivers need updating too
[20:02] <Sarvatt> they all have releases now though at least outside of wacom
[20:03] <Sarvatt> hmm not sure evdev or synaptics have releases yet actually


[01:33] <Dillono> hello?
[01:34] <Dillono> hello???
[01:35] <Dillono> I need to know how to put kde 4.12 beta 1 on my kubuntu machine.
[01:36] <Dillono> i currently have os 13.10
[01:44] <Avihay> Dillono: sounds like more of a question for #kde-devel
[03:21] <tux1000> hola
[03:23] <tux1000> nadie entiende español?
[03:25] <tux1000> alguien sabe como hacer que amarok busque caratulas para mi canciones?, gracia
[03:27] <Unit193> !es | tux1000
[03:28] <tux1000> gracias, lo olvidava
[07:30] <Eliyahu-> any one here use "konversation" irc client?
[07:30] <dheeraj_> Eliyahu-: I am using
[07:31] <Eliyahu-> dheeraj_:  you ever used the auto perform list inside this program?
[07:32] <dheeraj_> Eliyahu-: I think no.. :)
[07:32] <Eliyahu-> i need to add server commands to join
[07:32] <Eliyahu-> to enable my hostmask and identify
[07:32] <Eliyahu-> i am very pleased with the ubuntu distro im using
[07:33] <dheeraj_> Me too using ubuntu distro
[07:33] <dheeraj_> But as i open Konversation is automatically connect me
[07:33] <Eliyahu-> ok
[07:33] <Eliyahu-> you indian?
[07:34] <dheeraj_> yes
[07:34] <Eliyahu-> hindi bole?
[07:34] <dheeraj_> Haan kyu ni..
[07:34] <Eliyahu-> gutrati?
[07:34] <dheeraj_> Nai hindi aati hai bhaii
[07:34] <valorie> I use konvi as well
[07:35] <valorie> in your server list, edit and until the auto-join
[07:35] <valorie> file > server list...
[07:35] <dheeraj_> Eliyahu-: lo mil gaya solution :)
[07:35] <Eliyahu-> punjabi?
[07:36] <Eliyahu-> ap punjabi ho?
[07:36] <valorie> "connect on application startup
[07:36] <valorie> "
[07:36] <dheeraj_> Eliyahu-: Naii me gwalior me rhta hu
[07:36] <Eliyahu-> meri biwi gutrati hai
[07:36] <valorie> there is #kde-in
[07:36] <dheeraj_> Acha acha
[07:36] <valorie> please use english in this channel
[07:36] <Eliyahu-> :)
[07:36] <dheeraj_> Eliyahu-: kya bole isse..??
[07:36] <Eliyahu-> ok valorie
[07:37] <dheeraj_> ise kuch samaj ni aa raha hoga
[07:37] <dheeraj_> :D
[07:37] <dheeraj_> valorie: Sure :)
[07:37] <valorie> thank you
[07:37] <Eliyahu-> sorry for you not understanding my poor hindi typing
[07:38] <Eliyahu-> valorie:  thank you for your support help :)
[07:39] <valorie> any time!
[07:39] <valorie> in that server list edit dialog, you can also add identification
[07:39] <Eliyahu-> valorie:  so i can type in the autojoin /msg x command
[07:40] <valorie> you can add commands, like in some servers I use /list
[07:40] <valorie> not this one!
[07:40] <Eliyahu-> in the auto join box right?
[07:40] <valorie> but you can edit your Identity as well
[07:41] <valorie> above that, yes
[07:41] <Eliyahu-> or in the servers window
[07:41] <valorie> it all starts in servers
[07:41] <valorie> you can add new servers, edit those you have, or delete them from the list
[07:42] <valorie> you can add channels you always want to join as well
[07:42] <valorie> but in Identity, you can indentify to nickserv and such
[07:43] <Unit193> !alis
[07:43] <valorie> set your away nicks, etc.
[07:46] <Eliyahu-> brb
[07:48] <Eliyahu`> i put the command in the server command window it didnt work
[07:52] <valorie> which command, Eliyahu`?
[07:52] <valorie> it's best to use edit Identity if possible
[07:53] <valorie> that works first
[07:54] <Eliyahu`> ./msg NickServ identify password
[07:54] <Eliyahu`> in the box in identity
[07:55] <valorie> no dot there
[07:55] <Eliyahu`> in idenity > service
[07:55] <Eliyahu`> in idenity > auto identify >service
[07:56] <Eliyahu`> i put the ./msg NickServ identify password
[07:56] <Eliyahu`> in the service box
[07:56] <valorie> no
[07:56] <valorie> just put identify in the command box
[07:56] <valorie> and the password underneath
[07:56] <valorie> no /msg at all
[07:56] <valorie> no dot
[07:57] <valorie> not sure why you would put a dot before the slash anyway
[07:57] <valorie> that would never work in any server I've ever used
[08:01] <Eliyahu`> i just put the . in the chat channel
[08:02] <Eliyahu`> so you just put "nickserve identity"
[08:02] <valorie> you have to use the dot or a space to show people the command, if you start at the beginning of a line
[08:02] <Eliyahu`> in the service box and then password in the other box?
[08:02] <valorie> otherwise, you do not need it
[08:03] <valorie> inconvenient.....
[08:03] <valorie> we, Eliyahu`
[08:04] <valorie> I was just about to make a screenshot so we could compare
[08:04] <valorie> did you get it working now?
[08:05] <Eliyahu`> not working
[08:06] <valorie> Eliyahu`: no need to put "nickserv" in anywhere
[08:06] <valorie> as long as nickserv is showing up right above
[08:06] <Eliyahu`> ok so just type "idenify eliyahu`"
[08:06] <valorie> no
[08:07] <valorie> just 'identify'
[08:07] <Eliyahu`> then password right
[08:07] <valorie> all by itself
[08:07] <valorie> yes, in the next line where it says password
[08:07] <valorie> yes?
[08:07] <Eliyahu`> nope
[08:11] <Eliyahu`> i think i found out what i gotta do
[08:11] <valorie> Eliyahu`: I'll make a screenie
[08:11] <valorie> sec
[08:11] <valorie> oh, ok
[08:12] <Eliyahu`> still not working
[08:16] <valorie> Eliyahu`: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/11/10/plasma-desktopRz1854.png
[08:18] <Eliyahu`> mine doesnt have command box
[08:18] <Eliyahu`> it just has service and password
[08:18] <Eliyahu`> i just installed konversation with the latest version
[08:19] <valorie> hmmm, version number? in the help menu
[08:19] <Eliyahu`> 1.4
[08:19] <valorie> mine is Version 1.5-branch #4215
[08:19] <valorie> hmmm, I wonder how I got 1.5 then
[08:19] <Eliyahu`> thats the only version i saw offered in the synaptic package manager
[08:20] <Eliyahu`> either that or you are from the future
[08:20] <Eliyahu`> :P
[08:20] <valorie> I might have built it from source, but I haven't rebuilt for a loooong time
[08:21] <valorie> Eliyahu`: please ask in #konversation
[08:21] <valorie> I'm out of ideas
[08:21] <valorie> I am on KDE 4.11.2
[08:22] <valorie> kde platform version 4.11.2, to be precise
[08:33] <Eliyahu`> my commands was on another page in the program
[08:33] <Eliyahu`> i found it and its working now thank you for that screen shot
[08:34] <Eliyahu`> valorie:  do you know how to connect to multiple servers at once?
[08:35] <valorie> I am now connected to multiple servers
[08:36] <valorie> just set them up in servers
[08:36] <valorie> I auto-connect, but you can scroll to the server you want and click connect too
[08:36] <valorie> awesome that you got it working
[08:36] <valorie> \o/
[08:37] <valorie> thanks for sticking with it
[08:37] <valorie> IRC is wonderful
[08:39] <Eliyahu`> :)
[08:39] <Eliyahu`> thanks val for the help
[08:39] <Eliyahu`> i got it for multiple connects
[08:39] <valorie> weeeeee
[08:39] <valorie> welcome to the wonderful world of IRC on konvi
[08:39] <valorie> it's the BEST
[08:40] <Eliyahu`> its not a bad program so far
[08:40] <Eliyahu`> i just hope i can get this other identify to work for the other network
[08:41] <valorie> yes, if they ahve nickserv
[08:41] <valorie> works the same
[08:41] <valorie> but you have to set it up for both
[08:41] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:38] <Roey> hi
[09:38] <Roey> How do I get fetchmail to work with Yahoo IMAP?  It worked a few months ago, but now I keep getting this error: http://pastebin.com/EBm1zPjx
[09:47] <jdoles> service pulseaudio stop generates no output, service pulseaudio start does not start pulseaudio. Is this a known problem?
[09:47] <jdoles> Another problem I noticed was kded triggering OOM.
[09:47] <jdoles> It must have been using like 5GB or so at some point when it crashed.
[10:08] <glitchd> hello all
[12:58] <PedoTeddy> Can 13.10 work with uefi perfectly?
[14:07] <Roey> Hello
[14:07] <Roey> How do I get fetchmail to work with Yahoo IMAP?  It worked a few months ago, but now I keep getting this error: http://pastebin.com/EBm1zPjx
[14:43] <yuradoc> Hello
[14:44] <yuradoc> could somebody help
[14:44] <yuradoc> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2186165
[14:44] <yuradoc> i asked but nobody answer
[14:44] <gassho> :/
[14:47] <gassho> i dunno about it yuradoc
[15:03] <yuradoc> hm...
[15:04] <yuradoc> i think that upgrates must be more secure
[15:05] <yuradoc> if it will be such surprises linux couldn't be pop-mainstream
[15:05] <yuradoc> will have*
[15:07] <Soru_> Hello, desktop effect doesn't work, what could be happening?
[15:08] <yuradoc> install vga driver
[15:08] <yuradoc> proprietary video driver
[15:08] <Soru_> Oh
[15:08] <Soru_> Thanks yuradoc
[15:09] <yuradoc> no pb
[17:41] <_lore_> hi all
[17:41] <_lore_> one quick question
[17:41] <_lore_> I have installed kubuntu 13.10
[17:41] <lordievader> Hey _lore_
[17:41] <_lore_> I am used to run latest vanilla kernel
[17:42] <_lore_> but in this case shout down button is grayed out
[17:42] <_lore_> my use is not in audio group
[17:42] <_lore_> *user
[17:43] <_lore_> and sone network manager issue
[17:43] <_lore_> hi lordievader
[17:43] <_lore_> any ideas?
[17:43] <_lore_> but if I run kubuntu kernel
[17:43] <_lore_> no issue
[17:44] <lordievader> _lore_: For the audiogroup issue: sudo usermod -a -G audio $USER
[17:44] <lordievader> _lore_: What do you mean with the vanilla kernel?
[17:45] <_lore_> downloaded from kenel.org
[17:47] <genii> Probably want to use mainline instead
[17:47] <genii> !mainline
[17:47] <lordievader> I'm starting to doubt if that is supported.
[17:53] <_lore_> maybe is missing in my confiuguration
[17:54] <_lore_> *something
[18:06] <littlegirl> Hey there, does anyone in here have any experience in getting external links to open when using the GNOME Yelp application in KDE?
[19:47] <dougl> yuradoc, sec? you still here?
[20:14] <36DABP6OT> Hello All, good evening
[20:17] <hewi> I can't get skype on my Kubuntu system, sound all works fine but instlling and opening skype gives a very strange buzz; any advise or possible alternatives?
[20:29] <hewi> basically, where can i find the dynamic version of skype?
[20:30] <lordievader> hewi: The dynamic version? For as far as I know there is only one version of Skype, the one on their site, its closed-source after all.
[20:32] <hewi> lordievader: Thanks for your reply, there are actually versions for several linux distro's. do you know of any alternatives for skype itself?
[20:33] <blacklist> kubuntu 13.10 is very good
[20:33] <lordievader> hewi: The one from their site doesn't work? I don't know an alternative, sorry.
[20:33] <lordievader> blacklist: :)
[20:33] <blacklist> for my 12.04 is top
[21:05] <hewi> lordievader: I got it working, don;t ask me how but it did
[21:07] <lordievader> hewi: Kind of want to now ;)
[21:09] <Roey> hello all, anyone here into information security and good with Python?  We're looking for help on our project:  it's a command-line tool to help get around web application firewalls.  It supports plugins.  If you're interested, let me know:https://github.com/depasonico/bywaf-owasp
[21:12] <hewi> <lordievader: There are several distro's on the skype website http://www.skype.com/en/download-skype/skype-for-computer/ ... I installed too many and they were conflicting one another.  The latest version runs "out of the box" dynamically, and that works fine.  command line" sudo apt-get remove skype" did it all
[21:16] <hewi> going to call now using skype on Kubuntu :))) buy
[22:33] <Daskreech> Roey: Check in the python room?
[22:34] <Roey> oh hey Daskreech


[22:30] <Logan> Unit193: sure!
[22:30] <Unit193> Good, because I did earlier today. :P
[22:30]  * Logan looks
[22:31] <Logan> oh, and there are other things I'm supposed to do for you, right? :P
[22:31] <Unit193> Yep! :D
[22:31] <Logan> Unit193: it's easier to sponsor no-change rebuilds if you attach a debdiff
[22:32] <Logan> unless you don't want credit in the changelog
[22:32] <Unit193> Yeah, but it's kind of pointless.  And I'm fine without it.
[22:32] <Logan> ok
[22:33] <Logan> I commented on the bug
[22:33] <Unit193> IIRC 2 on sponsors, one not.
[22:39] <Unit193> Weird, got no messages.
[22:48] <Unit193> Done.