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[00:10] <daftykins> diddledan: strawberry security dev - http://i.imgur.com/5NYeNYa.gifv
[00:13] <diddledan> Wow
[00:20] <diddledan> https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8512/8545742983_fd31dbc893_b.jpg
[00:23] <daftykins> ooh what can i win!?
[00:24] <ball> Pie :-9
[00:25] <diddledan> Raspberry?
[00:26] <diddledan> So, I just ordered an lg g6
[00:26] <diddledan> Oops?
[00:26] <diddledan> I swear I shouldn't be allowed on the internet!
[00:27] <diddledan> I'm a liability to myself
[00:27] <daftykins> oof
[00:28] <ball> I looked at that recently but opted for a K7 instead.
[00:28] <daftykins> i thought LG were a good break from the evil of Samsung etc, but they're even worse :( class action lawsuits all around about their bootlooping devices
[00:28] <diddledan> I looked at the s8 but that's samsung..!
[00:28] <daftykins> EVIL!
[00:28] <ball> I used a Samsun Entro for a while.  Nice phone but it's CDMA.
[00:29] <diddledan> And I don't want their weird BIxby thing
[00:29] <ball> ...and I need to be able to tether on occasion, too.
[00:30] <diddledan> The camera looks good on the g6
[00:30] <ball> ...since my VDSL craps out at least once per day.
[00:30] <daftykins> d'aww
[00:30] <diddledan> Smack it
[00:30] <daftykins> give your copper a good brasso!
[00:32] <ball> What's sad is that it's the only option here, other than a mobile phone.
[00:33] <diddledan> Is that an appropriate behavior towards the constabulary?
[00:35] <ball> brb, time to feed the dogs.
[00:41] <ball> dogs=fed.
[00:42] <daftykins> ah we have VDSL2 tech here, but then it's much more befitting of an island
[00:43] <daftykins> 60 down 10 up over my ~700m line
[00:46] <ball> I get 3M down and about half that up.
[00:48] <daftykins> :<
[00:48] <ball> ...that's just over thirty six quid per month.
[00:49] <diddledan> I get 80/20 on an 80/20 service via vdsl might be vdsl2
[00:49] <daftykins> your line might sync faster than that though
[00:49] <daftykins> you only see your provisioned speed in most cases
[00:49]  * ball nods
[00:49] <diddledan> It does - reports attainable of 96/29
[00:49] <daftykins> :D
[00:50] <diddledan> I was only looking at those earlier today
[00:50] <daftykins> ah har
[00:50] <daftykins> mine was 52/20 prior to signing up to the 60/10 service
[00:51] <diddledan> Apparently manufacturers are starting to make sfp vdsl2 adapters to allow routers to be made cheaper and be upgradable
[00:52] <daftykins> D:
[00:52] <daftykins> roll-on G.fast - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G.fast
[00:54] <diddledan> Kinda like a dongle with the vdsl transceiver but being sfp it goes into a deeper hole that holds most of the unit with just the rj11 poking out
[00:54] <ball> Supposedly this line could do 43M down.  Not sure I believe that.
[00:54] <diddledan> Yeah g.fast is getting closer.. but are now doing real world trials
[00:54] <ball> Not paying extra unless they can make the thing work more reliably anyway.
[00:54] <diddledan> S/but/bt/
[00:57] <daftykins> ball: mm if they're really forcing it onto VDSLx you'd be better off having it on ADSLx if it's line length that's the trouble
[00:57] <diddledan> Ball, 3mbps is below the threshold to class an FTtc line as faulty
[00:58] <diddledan> I believe the threshold BT set is 12mbps
[00:58] <ball> daftykins: I don't think it's line length. The node is at the end of our street.
[00:58] <daftykins> he's not in Blighty though!
[00:58] <diddledan> Oh
[00:58] <daftykins> ball: oh right so it's definitely a fiber backed cabinet of some kind?
[00:58]  * ball nods
[00:59] <daftykins> i take it you've tried terminating a socket right on where the pair comes into the property to rule out internal wiring?
[01:00] <daftykins> not that you're technically allowed to do that, but meh ;D
[01:01] <diddledan> Bedtime I think
[01:02] <daftykins> indeed! just finished an episode of Cosmos there, good ol' Carl Sagan
[01:04] <ball> daftykins: The network interface box has an RJ11 in it.  I suppose I could run a fresh pair out to that, to see whether things improve.
[01:08] <daftykins> i'm imagining something close to the setup here, so a bunch of cables come out of the ground or sometimes from the pole over into the property, usually in a little grey plastic box - then the internal run patches onto that
[01:08] <daftykins> i just stamp on a built-in filter socket there and give a sync test \o/
[01:10] <ball> I /could/ put the hideous modem/router box in the garage and run wires to one or two 5 GHz access points.
[01:11] <ball> ...it would be nice to get off 2.4 GHz
[01:11] <ball> ...and that would free up some space in the kitchen.
[01:11] <daftykins> ah well you just toss it there to test it, if it's good then you can still extend away from it, you just ideally want to do it over a nice bit o' CAT6 cable instead
[01:11] <ball> (the modem/router thing looks like a VCR from the late 1970s)
[01:11] <daftykins> hehe
[01:12]  * ball breaks out the Cat3
[01:13] <daftykins> :D sounds like string
[01:14] <daftykins> ok i'm gonna sleep, let me know of your tale of success ball! :)
[01:14] <ball> Hey, it's perfect for 10baseT ;-)
[08:41] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[16:13] <chatter29> hey guys
[16:13] <chatter29> allah is doing
[16:13] <chatter29> sun is not doing allah is doing
[16:13] <chatter29> to accept Islam say that i bear witness that there is no deity worthy of worship except Allah and Muhammad peace be upon him is his slave and messenger
[17:07] <tdaws> hello world
[22:22] <daftykins> m0nkey_: ah, the man is fixing things - this weekend is good
[22:25] <m0nkey_> I'm not home to watch.
[22:25] <daftykins> d'aww
[22:26] <daftykins> oh sorry for the distraction then :>


[09:25] <nik90> t1mp, ping
[09:27] <nik90> zsombi, ping
[09:27] <zsombi> nik90: wazzup? :)
[09:28] <nik90> zsombi, hey, I have a question about APL. Is there a way to add an empty state to an empty column instead of just showing a white space? I want it to like http://imgur.com/NHpF12W
[09:29] <zsombi> nik90: no, not really. If you want the same layout as on teh oimage, you need to use something else than APL
[09:29] <zsombi> nik90: that layout has one single header,
[09:30] <nik90> zsombi, I am fine with not having a single header
[09:30] <nik90> but I hate having a blank white column
[09:30] <zsombi> nik90: so you'd need to use ConditionalLayout or APL with headerless pages
[09:30] <nik90> I love the APL, so ideally I would like to stick to it.
[09:30] <zsombi> nik90: ok, well, you can push a dummy page w/o header and have something as content
[09:31] <t1mp> zsombi, nik90: It is not a super crazy idea to add a placeholder component to the APL that is displayed when a column is blank
[09:32] <nik90> zsombi, hmm I did think about that..but it gets a bit tricky...maybe I will create a video to explain the situation I am in.
[09:32] <zsombi> t1mp: sure, it's just we don't have that now, right?
[09:32] <t1mp> yes
[09:32] <nik90> t1mp, yes, that would be a good idea indeed.
[09:33] <zsombi> t1mp: nik90: but remember, whatever placeholder you add, that will add to teh component creation time, so your app will load even slower...
[09:33] <zsombi> so don't play easy with these words :)
[09:34] <t1mp> or just add an Item/Label that is drawn outside of the APL, but only when only one column is visible
[09:34] <nik90> zsombi, it will be by a tiny margin, but the alternative is that showing a blank white space is bad UI for the user :/
[09:34] <nik90> t1mp, I will play with some ideas and see if it works..I just wanted to check if there was a official way of doing it.
[09:35] <t1mp> no, not yet
[09:35] <t1mp> I don't know if we have a bug for that
[09:35] <zsombi> nik90: more, do you still own clock app?
[09:35] <nik90> zsombi, Yes, I do work on it in my spare time.
[09:36] <nik90> but less recently since it is more or less complete
[09:36] <zsombi> nik90: you could use the BottomEdge.preloadContent instead of doing that ugly trick from messaging now
[09:36] <nik90> zsombi, But the preloadContent stuff hasn't landed in the stable images yet
[09:37] <zsombi> nik90: ehm... didn't it land in OTA10?
[09:37] <nik90> zsombi, I remember asking you if it can land with OTA-10..but am fairly certain it didnt.
[09:37]  * nik90 checks
[09:37] <zsombi> nik90: well, you asked when OTA10 was on its original date, it has been moved ~1 month :)
[09:38] <zsombi> nik90: so it should be released
[09:39] <nik90> zsombi, the 15.04.4 documentation at https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/qml/sdk-15.04.4/Ubuntu.Components.BottomEdge/ doesn't show that property though. And the docs were surely updated recently.
[09:39] <nik90> also there was one SDK silo that did land close to OTA-10 release
[09:39] <zsombi> wth?
[09:39] <nik90> but it only had timp's fix for the black header issue and other minor issues..
[09:39] <zsombi> oh, crap...
[09:39]  * nik90 looks at sdk trunk
[09:41] <nik90> zsombi, https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1540454
[09:41] <nik90> its milestoned for ota-11
[09:42] <zsombi> oh, craaaap!
[09:42] <zsombi> I thought it made for ota10...
[09:42] <zsombi> nik90: sorry, then you need to wait a bit more :(
[09:43] <nik90> zsombi, it is a bit confusing imo...I see it milestone for ota-11 but looking at trunk commits, I see it merged at r1289 with the commit message OTA-10 Landing 10th March 2016.
[09:44] <nik90> I will check my phone package version to do a final confirmation a bit later
[14:25] <dpm> bzoltan_, IIRC you used to have a script to check downloads/subscribers of the sdk PPA, didn't you?
[14:26] <bzoltan_> dpm: I still have it
[14:26] <dpm> bzoltan_, great, do you have it somewhere handy for me to use with another PPA?
[14:26] <bzoltan_> dpm: http://paste.ubuntu.com/16189644/
[14:27] <dpm> thanks!
[14:50] <dpm> hi oSoMoN, I've got a PPA where I keep all .deb builds of community core apps. I was having a chat with pmcgowan about having the system apps there as well, to have all in one place. Do you happen to have a list of system apps branches that I could pick and create daily builds on that PPA for?
[14:56] <oSoMoN> dpm, I don’t happen to have that list handy, but I could write it down for you
[15:01] <dpm> oSoMoN, that'd be great when you've got time
[15:15] <oSoMoN> dpm, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/16190298/
[15:17] <oSoMoN> dpm, some of those might have dependencies on other projects, see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-system-apps for a list of related projects
[15:34] <dpm> oSoMoN, thanks!
[15:35] <oSoMoN> you’re welcome
[20:24] <ahoneybun> mhall119 any time for that fix in uReddit?
[20:24] <mhall119> ahoneybun: not yet, been so busy catching up and preparing for UOS
[20:24] <mhall119> ahoneybun: I may work on it after dinner tonight
[20:25] <ahoneybun> ok cool, was going to update the Ubuntu.Components but thought I would break it lol
[20:25] <mhall119> ahoneybun: also, I think you proposed the wrong branch for merging
[20:25] <ahoneybun> mhall119 I need help with a new project with a weather API
[20:25] <ahoneybun> yea I know
[20:26] <ahoneybun> never merged before I think
[20:26] <mhall119> where did you push your changes to?
[20:26] <ahoneybun> my own branch
[20:27] <ahoneybun> https://code.launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/trunk/ureadit-personal
[20:27] <mhall119> oh, you didn't push it under the ureadit project namespace, that's why I didn't see it
[20:27] <ahoneybun> yea that's all new to me
[20:27] <ahoneybun> was lucking I got bzr to work at all lol
[20:28] <mhall119> ok, that's easy, just run: bzr push lp:~aaronhoneycutt/ureadit/ureadit-personal
[20:28] <mhall119> ahoneybun: are you not familiar with launchpad's bzr integration?
[20:28] <ahoneybun> very little
[20:28] <ahoneybun> was lucky to get uBeginner updated on there
[20:29] <ahoneybun> I get around with the bzr docs
[20:29] <mhall119> so launchpad's bzr url pattern is: lp:~<username>/<project>/<branch>
[20:29]  * ahoneybun moves to his linux machine
[20:29] <ahoneybun> mm
[20:29] <mhall119> anybody can push a new branch using any project name on Launchpad, as long as you use your username
[20:29] <mhall119> so you can put to ureadit with lp:~aaronhoneycutt/ureadit/<branch_name> using any branch_name you want
[20:30] <ahoneybun> so bzr push lp:~mhall199/ubuntu-beginner/personal ?
[20:30] <mhall119> then it will show up under ureadit's list of branches, and you can then propose merging it into lp:ureadit or lp:ureadit/4.0
[20:30] <mhall119> ahoneybun: only I can push to branches starting with lp:~mhall119/
[20:31] <mhall119> yours would all start with lp:~aaronhoneycutt/
[20:31] <ahoneybun> I'm saying from your POV
[20:31] <mhall119> or, lp:~<team>/ for any team you're a member of
[20:31] <ahoneybun> if you worked on something of mine
[20:31] <mhall119> yeah, for me I would push a uBeginner branch to what you said, then propose merging it into trunk or some other branch in ubuntu-beginner
[20:32] <ahoneybun> ok got it
[20:33] <ahoneybun> like this mhall119 https://code.launchpad.net/~mhall119/ureadit/4.0/+merge/293565 ?
[20:34] <mhall119> nope, other way around, start with your branch and propose merging it into mine
[20:35] <ahoneybun> mm
[20:35] <ahoneybun> I only see +junk/uReadit
[20:35] <mhall119> ahoneybun: go to https://code.launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/ureadit/ureadit-personal and click the "Propose for merging" link
[20:35] <ahoneybun> I got that part
[20:36] <ahoneybun> nvm
[20:37] <ahoneybun> This branch is not mergeable into lp:ureadit/4.0.
[20:37]  * ahoneybun throws keyboard
[20:38] <mhall119> huh? that shouldn't be
[20:39] <mhall119> hmmm, I was able to create it: https://code.launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/ureadit/ureadit-personal/+merge/293566
[20:39] <mhall119> not sure why it was giving you an error
[20:40] <ahoneybun> well you got it lol
[20:40] <mhall119> yup, ok,  back to UOS stuff, I'll review it tonight
[20:40] <mhall119> thanks ahoneybun
[20:40] <ahoneybun> np
[20:46]  * ahoneybun losses his mind looking at Weather Reboot code


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[04:32] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om it is late here and it has been a long day but the wiki looks good, I did a quick read through only
[04:39] <guiverc> Wild_Man, I'll tell him if/when I see him, I believe he's installing 19.10 (to see how it goes with his nvidia..)  I'm reading it myself
[04:39] <guiverc> (tell him if you're gone & not around is what I meant)
[04:39] <Wild_Man> guiverc, thanks
[04:53] <guiverc> KDE (esp. plasma 5.16) does dominate the issue..
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[15:59] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Full Circle Magazine: Full Circle Weekly News #135 @ https://fullcirclemagazine.org/podcast/full-circle-weekly-news-135/
[16:16] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Simos Xenitellis: How to run LXD containers in WSL2 @ https://blog.simos.info/how-to-run-lxd-containers-in-wsl2/
[18:23] <Bashing-om> Pulling "WIP" - target time 20:00 GMT to push.
[19:42] <Bashing-om> Heads up - I got a " Character in 'H' format wrapped in unpack at fridge/publish-uwn-fridge.pl line 77." As it is for the Fridge I am going to proceed to publish as nornal for me.
[20:02] <Bashing-om> M/L is away .. doing the forum post next.
[20:05] <Bashing-om> Forum post done :) doing the re-directs next.
[20:20] <Bashing-om> Re-directs also done, Pending is the social medias - be aware the Fridge script is hiccup'n about line 77.
[21:38] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I get the same error when I ran the script, as far as I can tell the content looks okay
[21:40] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Kinda covered up with other things .. or I would see what the line 77 was all about.
[21:40] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, that is okay, I am to tired and busy to look into it, but I can try preview it in the fridge and see how it looks in a few minutes
[21:42] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: :)
[21:50] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, guiverc2 this link just goes to the top of the page"Ubucon Portugal 2019 – Rescaldo" I do not know how to fix it
[21:52] <Wild_Man> That may be what the error is about
[21:55] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Most likely then a broken link. Chris knows how to fix that.
[21:56] <Wild_Man> This one is broken as well Evolving KDE – Let’s set some new goals for KDE
[22:02] <guiverc2> open wiki page, top right is contents with links to jump to that section; copy/paste that link into fridge doc is easiest by far
[22:04] <Wild_Man> guiverc2, do I copy it to the fridge doc in my text editor then paste the whole page into the fridge again or is there a wasy way to just delete and copy the new link in its place
[22:05] <guiverc2> straight into the fridge editor; if everything - i go back to text editor only if fridge-version has gone weird (or i've become confused)
[22:05] <guiverc2> Wild_Man, if you click on a link you should see a pencil type symbol that lets you edit the url
[22:10] <Wild_Man> guiverc2, when I edit it, it reverts back to the link that goes to the top of the page
[22:10] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: guiverc2 Yhe common thing there is the '-'. I guess the parser does not like hyphens.
[22:11] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, you mean that is why the script is failing?
[22:11] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Just my thoughts.. guiverc2 will know the better.
[22:12] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I got the first one fixed now on to the second
[22:18] <Wild_Man> All links are now working correctly, guiverc2 you want to be the 2nd?
[22:19] <guiverc2> looks great Wild_Man  (I'm not checking links); 2nd
[22:20] <Wild_Man> guiverc2, I checked the links three times, after I corrected the two links I had two that went to the same place on the wiki
[22:21] <guiverc2> it'll be great Wild_Man ..
[22:21] <Wild_Man> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2019/06/17/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-583/
[22:22] <guiverc2> it's percect Wild_Man, well done!
[22:23] <Wild_Man> Thanks guiverc2 and for your valuable help
[22:23] <guiverc2> i didn't see you later Bashing-om yesterday , but I did do read thru yesterday
[22:24]  * Bashing-om is chopped liver ?
[22:25] <Bashing-om> guiverc2: :) seen when I read the backlog :) 19.10 installed - but had to re-do from a gparted wipe of the partition - and nvidia driver installed with no issues :)
[22:26] <guiverc2> :)
[22:28] <Bashing-om> guiverc2: 19.10 xubuntu is some kind of slick :)
[22:28] <guiverc2> i'm mainly using lubuntu these days, but yeah I do love Xubuntu/XFCE
[22:28] <Wild_Man> All done with social media as well
[22:29] <guiverc2> thanks Wild_Man , they'd completely slipped my mind
[22:29] <Wild_Man> You're welcome guiverc2
[22:29] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Time now to wipe Gdoc and set to UWN584 ?
[22:30] <Wild_Man> yes
[22:30] <Bashing-om> doing ^
[22:37] <Bashing-om> And guiverc2 Is starting UWN584 :P
[22:38] <guiverc2> tried to, couldn't find lists.ubuntu.com link..
[22:39] <Bashing-om> Oh I got it .. hanf on one :) guiverc2
[22:39] <guiverc2> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2019-June/040740.html
[22:41] <Bashing-om> guiverc2: found: ^^ https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2019-June/040737.html .
[22:44] <guiverc2> yep better, thanks Bashing-om
[22:45] <Bashing-om> guiverc2: :)
[22:59] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: The Fridge: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 583 @ http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2019/06/17/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-583/
[23:08] <Bashing-om> \o/ Well done gang :P
[23:11] <guiverc2> \o/  :)
[23:14] <Wild_Man> Indeed Bashing-om
[23:14] <Wild_Man> :0
[23:15] <Wild_Man> :)


[00:16] <shadeslayer_> sgclark: mind releasing kubuntu annoucement for 12.04.5 ?
[00:16] <sgclark> shadeslayer_ : already on it :) just waiting for the formal email and hitting publish!
[00:16] <shadeslayer_> yep, formal email is out
[00:16] <sgclark> oh cool thanks
[00:17] <sgclark> where?
[00:17] <shadeslayer_> I see it on ubuntu-devel
[00:18]  * shadeslayer_ checks ubuntu-announce
[00:18] <shadeslayer_> s/devel/release
[00:18] <shadeslayer_> sgclark: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2014-August/002973.html
[00:19] <sgclark> thanks, guess I signed up a bit to late
[00:19] <shadeslayer_> hehe
[03:21] <ahoneybun> Riddell: ping
[04:43] <ScottK> Riddell: Found it.  python-kde4 and python3-pykde4 still depend on nepomuk.
[04:43] <ScottK> Trying to see if I can fix.
[04:50] <ScottK> Uploaded.  We'll see if that's enough.
[05:44] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:22] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: I think ubiquity not starting on the plasma 5 iso is a sddm issue
[09:37] <ScottK> OK, maybe that wasn't it.
[09:58] <soee> hmm, "Our current LTS release has had an update, 12.04.5. It adds all the current bugfixes and security updates to keep your LTS systems fresh. Download now."
[09:58] <soee> isnt 14.04 - current ?
[10:20] <tsimpson> we have more than one current LTS
[10:39] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[11:01] <davmor2> tsimpson: 12.04.5 lts, and 14.04.1 lts
[11:02] <davmor2> tsimpson: 5 year support on both from canonical I'm not sure if Kubuntu is set to the same level
[11:03] <tsimpson> iirc we do
[11:04] <BluesKaj> takes 2 1/2 mins to boot to a working desktop on 14.04 after upgrading from 12.04.5
[12:20] <Riddelll> hola
[12:20] <Riddelll> ScottK: well done
[12:26] <Riddell> late night respins was it?
[13:49] <Riddell> ScottK: hmm doesn't seem to have made any difference :(
[14:02] <Riddell> ximion:
[14:02] <Riddell> um sorry, random keyboard
[14:02] <ximion> :-)
[14:38] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: btw Doctor Who at my place on the 23rd?
[14:38] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: the projector will be a bit shitty tbh :P
[14:39] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: not sure Nim has friends over so I guess depends on what they want to do a bit
[14:39] <shadeslayer_> ah ok
[14:39] <Riddell> they're quite geeky so I expect they will want to yes
[14:39] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: you say office projector on full size wall not as good as your telly?
[14:39] <shadeslayer_> yes
[14:39] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: my telly is better
[14:39] <Riddell> why? with alex's speaker it's awesome
[14:39] <shadeslayer_> sharper, better contrast, etc
[14:39] <shadeslayer_> nah, I've always found the projector fuzzy
[14:39] <shadeslayer_> lacking detail
[14:40] <Riddell> you picture snob :)
[14:40] <Riddell> I'm just a junk-picture gluton, I like it big and loud
[14:40] <shadeslayer_> oh, sorry for having a preference for quality stuff :p
[14:40] <shadeslayer_> heh
[14:40] <shadeslayer_> that's what she said
[14:41] <Riddell> the question is what would the catalans do?
[14:41] <shadeslayer_> vote on it
[14:41] <shadeslayer_> with 2 questions
[14:41] <Riddell> they'd have it open air with the occational man trying to sell you socks
[14:41] <shadeslayer_> socks? :D
[14:41] <shadeslayer_> sounds like a story behind that one
[14:41] <Riddell> had a guy try to sell me socks the other day at that tapas restaurant we were at yesterday
[14:42] <Riddell> didn't say anything just put them infront of my nose and pointed
[14:42] <Riddell> then half an hour later tried the same thing
[14:42] <shadeslayer_> huh, I don't recall that
[14:42] <shadeslayer_> maybe I was zoned out
[14:42] <Riddell> nah a different day
[14:43] <shadeslayer_> ah
[15:44] <Riddell> plasma 5.0.1! http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/plasma-5.0.1/
[21:47] <ScottK> Riddell: Looks like something worked.
[21:48] <ScottK> Or not.
[21:50] <soee_> :)
[21:53] <ScottK> Looks like the kdelibs autopkgtest re-ran and got hung for some reason, so kdelibs wasn't even being considered.
[21:54] <ScottK> I just forced it to ignore the test result, so it should at least try to migrate again now.
[22:19] <ScottK> baloo (the non-virtual package) was still there.  That might have been affecting things.
[22:19] <ScottK> Just removed it.


[00:00] <Guest63900> Thanks, I have an account that I have been using, just never set it up on Kubuntu. I had Ubuntu prior
[00:05] <lahwran> James147, well that might explain it
[00:05] <James147> lahwran: what does?
[00:05] <lahwran> it seems on upgrade, kde got completely uninstalled ... except for the splash screen.
[00:05] <James147> lahwran: on upgrade to what?
[00:06] <lahwran> 10.04 from 9.04 through 9.10
[00:06] <James147> lahwran: hmm, reinstall kubuntu-desktop then :)
[00:07] <lahwran> did that as soon as I found plasma-desktop to be missing; it is installing nearly 40 packages
[00:07] <lahwran> ...that's a lot of packages O.O
[00:37] <StepNjump> Hi guys, just installed my kubuntu at last
[00:37] <StepNjump> Works good
[00:37] <StepNjump> Hello to everyone
[00:37] <lahwran> how do I set my default browser in kde to chrome?
[00:37] <StepNjump> lahwran, it asked me automatically when I installed it
[00:38] <maco> systemsettings ->preferred applications -> web browser
[00:39] <James147> lahwran: or in chromium > the spanner > option > make chroimum my default browser
[00:40] <lahwran> James147, that one says that chromium is already the default browser.
[00:41] <James147> lahwran: then what maco said :)
[00:41] <lahwran> I figured :D
[00:42] <lahwran> yay I can set my default file browser to konqueror!
[00:42] <lahwran> I hate dolphin
[00:42] <lahwran> such a wacked-out interface ..
[00:42] <James147> lahwran: really?
[00:43] <lahwran> yes
[00:43] <James147> why do you think its "wacked-out"?
[00:43] <lahwran> it's got those panes
[00:43] <James147> lahwran: you can remove them
[00:43] <lahwran> that you can't get rid of
[00:43] <lahwran> ...news to me, didn't work last I checked
[00:43] <James147> the x in the corner of the docks... like all qt docks :)
[00:44] <James147> you can also drag and move them
[00:44] <James147> lahwran: or tools > panels
[00:44] <James147> sorry view > panels
[00:44] <lahwran> hmm. maybe I should actually open it; haven't opened it since 4.1
[00:45] <James147> lahwran: things ahve changed alot since 4.1 :)
[00:46] <StepNjump_> .
[00:47] <James147> lahwran: http://imagebin.org/111064  << thats what mine looks like :)
[00:47] <lahwran> where is the top menu?
[00:47] <James147> lahwran: not there :) i hide it when i dont need it (alt+m)
[00:47] <lahwran> ok ...
[00:48] <James147> which is most of the time
[00:48] <lahwran> ... I'm gonna stick with konqueror
[00:48] <elslunko> I love alt+m
[00:48] <lahwran> with any luck, the power it had in kde3 will return
[00:48] <elslunko> wait mine is ctrl+m
[00:48] <James147> elslunko: that opens a new dolphin window ehre :D
[00:49] <James147> elslunko: no wait no it doesnt :S
[00:49] <elslunko> :O
[00:49] <James147> and yeah, i ment crtl + m as well :) dont know why i said allt
[00:50] <James147> btw... you guys know about dolphins tabs? (ctrl+shift+n)
[00:53] <lahwran> how do I shut kwin compositing off on the command line from a VT?
[00:53] <lahwran> I goofed it up and windows fly all crazy ...
[00:56] <James147> lahwran: try qdbus org.kde.kwin /KWin toggleCompositing
[00:58] <look> what setting would i have to set to be able to move my browser into a different desktop without having to right click?
[01:00] <James147> look: cannot remember where it is in 4.4.x... but look for the "screen edges" in system settings (try searching for it)
[01:01] <James147> in 4.5 its at system settings > window behaviour > screen edges
[01:01] <look> James147, thanks
[01:11] <lahwran> ok it appears that I don't have sound output
[01:11] <lahwran> how would I go about troubleshooting this?
[01:13] <James147> !sound | lahwran
[01:16] <lahwran> neither was helpful. the problem is specific to when I'm logged into kde; when logged into gnome no such problem occurs. my suspicion is that something is tying alsa up.
[01:35] <look> how would i make pannel spacers invisible?
[01:41] <James147> look: they should disapear when you close the settings dialog... if they dont they probally will if you logout and back in
[01:43] <look> James147, kk thanks
[01:45] <James147> look: note that if they dont disapear when you close the dialog that a bug... think its fixed in 4.5...
[01:48] <lahwran> how do I set up so the system bell triggers a full-power kde alert? I want to run a script on system bell
[01:58] <look> brb
[02:28]  * James147 appears to have removed kdm from his netbooks startup :S
[02:38] <nishizawa23> hi,why i can not receive the maillist?
[02:39] <nishizawa23> http://lists.arm.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/
[02:46] <poseidon2010> Open Question.... are we happy with the  performance of KDE in Ubuntu 10.04 ?  Cheers
[02:48] <James147> poseidon2010: kde 4.5 improves it quite abit :)
[02:48] <James147> resizing could be smoother though :S
[02:49] <poseidon2010> thanks for your  feedback
[02:49] <James147> poseidon2010: any particular reason?
[02:49] <poseidon2010> it is 4.4 the one that comes out of the box with 10.04 ?
[02:49] <James147> poseidon2010: 4.4.2
[02:50] <James147> poseidon2010: see the topic on how to upgrade to 4.5
[02:51] <look> how do i find files in kde?
[02:51] <poseidon2010> I am running like 5 Virtualmachines here..... and the machine sort of die with the load.... Now I am using Fluxbox.... and Im fine.... with average loads of 2.0... Before I had like 3 ...
[02:52] <poseidon2010> of course I know it is kind of unfair to compare fluxbox with KDE.....
[02:52] <James147> look: dolphin > ctrl + f   for the old style search or use the search bar at the top to use nepomuk indexing
[02:52] <poseidon2010> In general I like KDE.... but for me .... and for my specs... and needs.... is not that  light....
[02:53] <James147> poseidon2010: yeah, its not designed to be light weight :)
[02:53] <poseidon2010> u recon 4.5 is lighter than 4.4.2 ?
[02:54] <James147> poseidon2010: not sure... i find it more responsive... disabling nepomuk and desktop effect would help though
[02:55] <poseidon2010> james147, ok..... will try that later..... upgrading and disabling nepomuk and desktop effect..... pitty the effects are cool !!
[02:55] <James147> look: note that on the ctrl+f dialog you need to spicify wild cards... ie to find foo.txt  you need to search for *.txt   and NOT .txt
[02:56] <James147> poseidon2010: yeah, but on any system they will take up quite a few resources (no matter what de you use)
[02:56] <poseidon2010> james147, i know...... cheers
[02:56] <James147> poseidon2010: although you can always try it with them... kde should try to disable them if the system becomes too slow
[02:57] <poseidon2010> james147, I saw that !!!!!
[02:57] <poseidon2010> james147, They were disabled :P
[02:57] <James147> (but i tend to find once the system becomes very very slow kde dosent ahve time to do that :) )
[02:58] <poseidon2010> james147, who ever wins..... the slow machine or the windows manager to react..... sure....
[02:59] <James147> poseidon2010: :0 most the time its because chromium had quickly ground my system to a halt :S kde kindly disables the effects after i finally manage to kill it :)
[02:59] <James147> (ot at least i get the notification after)
[03:01] <poseidon2010> james147, hehehehe not with this desktop but with Sun machines I guess....  Man I am old !!
[03:26] <NRyan115> OK so now that I finally got kubuntu to install (first time) how can I check and make sure all my hardware drivers are detected and installed correctly and not just using generic plug and play drivers? Is there a hardware device manager like in Windows?
[03:28] <James147> NRyan115: mostly the defaults should be fine... linux dosnet really have a concept for "drivers" and the default ones are usually the best ones around (with the exceptioon of nvidia/ati graphics cards
[03:28] <James147> NRyan115: run "jockey-kde" to see if it can find anything for your system
[03:29] <NRyan115> Hi James... I finally got it!
[03:29] <NRyan115> just now
[03:29] <James147> NRyan115: but if everything is working fine then you should have the right rivers
[03:29] <NRyan115> from 2pm yesterday
[03:29] <look> my kubuntu does not have a 'shutdown' option
[03:29] <James147> NR :)
[03:29] <NRyan115> well I do have nvidia graphic card
[03:29] <James147> look: are you running from kdm or from "startx/startkde"?
[03:30] <look> kdm
[03:30] <James147> NRyan115: ^^ kubuntu uses the opensource nvidia drivers by default... they are actually becomming quite good :) although lack in some areas like 3d...
[03:30] <look> James147, are the drivers better in 10.04 for nvidia cards?
[03:31] <James147> look: if they work then yes :) but I have seen a few laptops refuse to wokr with them
[03:31] <NRyan115> doesnt nvidia let you download the latest drivers from their site?
[03:31] <James147> NRyan115: i wouldnt
[03:31] <NRyan115> why not?
[03:31] <James147> NRyan115: useing jockey-kde is less likly to break something
[03:32] <NRyan115> i'm not entirely comfortable with using a command that i m not familiar with that also doesnt have a manual page :(
[03:32] <James147> NRyan115: have had the nvidia drivers fail to install properly from their site.. jocky-kde has never failed me
[03:32] <James147> NRyan115: jockey-kde is a gui app (its called "hardware drivers" in the menu)
[03:33] <NRyan115> I did not see that in the menu
[03:33] <look> James147, i heard that on kubuntu 10.04 that the drivers don't work for Nvidia cards 7 and up
[03:33] <NRyan115> which is hwy i cam ehere to ask my original question
[03:33] <James147> look: i have a 7300 and i know for others it works... i think its spicific cards
[03:33] <NRyan115> I have an 8600 gts
[03:33] <NRyan115> 8800 gts
[03:33] <look> I have a 9800Gtx
[03:33] <NRyan115> *
[03:34] <James147> NRyan115: alt+F2: jockey-kde<RETURN>     or look for hardware drivers in the menu :)
[03:34] <look> hmm i think ill reinstall my kubuntu it seems a bit...broken...
[03:34] <James147> look: how so?
[03:35] <NRyan115> oh ok i found it in the menu... some things are not where I would expect them to be
[03:35] <look> James147, there is no shutdown option, it wont save my sound settings and it opens 3 cairo-docks when i start up when i nly told it to open one
[03:36] <look> James147, im new to kde, so i might have done somthing wrong, ive used Gnome and Xfce and even the new Lubuntu
[03:36] <James147> NRyan115: (just so you know... if the drivers do fail for what ever reason you will get thrown to a command line prompt.... you can login in and run this to get back to the open source drivers:    "sudo rm /etc/X11/xrog.conf && sudo restart kdm"
[03:36] <NRyan115> how can I mount a few different drives without losing the mounts when I reinstall?
[03:36] <NRyan115> thank you let me writethat down
[03:36] <James147> NRyan115: heh, i tend to find things better orginised then in windows :) and allot less sub sub sub menus
[03:37] <James147> NRyan115: um... if you reinstall then how are you ment to keep the mounts?
[03:37] <James147> NRyan115: (i assume you mean reinstall kubuntu)
[03:37] <NRyan115> thats fine but I could expect to find hardware drivers under "computer" not applications
[03:38] <NRyan115> and also I compppletely meant restart - but I was reading half of looks post lol
[03:38] <James147> NRyan115: it should by Kmenu > app > system > hardware drivers
[03:39] <NRyan115> i said i found it
[03:39] <James147> NRyan115: you can add enterys to /etc/fstab to have them auto mount at boot (or define a mount point and let users mount them)
[03:39] <NRyan115> yikes, i type bad when I am in here... i meant I would expect not could expect sorry
[03:39] <luci> jockey-kde is an app
[03:40] <James147> NRyan115: :D you should see my typing sometimes :D
[03:40] <NRyan115> so everytime i restart i lose my mounts
[03:40] <lahwran> ah, that's what /etc/fstab is for
[03:40] <James147> lahwran: yup :)
[03:40] <luci> if mounted manually yes
[03:41] <NRyan115> explain please I have had a linux computer for exactly 1 hour now
[03:41] <James147> NRyan115: /etc/fstab is a config file that linux looks in for where to mount drives on boot (and in general)
[03:41] <NRyan115> oh so i can use a text editor like vi to add the mount command and it will run thoise commands on startup?
[03:42] <lahwran> NRyan115, haha nice "for 1 hour now"
[03:42] <lahwran> very succinct way to put it :D
[03:42] <NRyan115> thanks m8
[03:42] <NRyan115> :)
[03:42] <NRyan115> `,: )
[03:42] <James147> NRyan115: if you edit it (with: kdesudo kate)  you can add entries to discribe your drives... the general format is "device   mount_point   filesystemtype    options    0   0"  (the numbers are something to do with something
[03:43] <NRyan115> wow that helps
[03:43] <James147> NRyan115: also unless you already know how to use vi i suggest agenst it :)
[03:43] <NRyan115> i have never heard of kdedudo kate
[03:44] <James147> NRyan115: kdesudo   is to run applications as root (gui apps that is)  kate is the default text editor (has a fakevimm mode :D  )
[03:44] <NRyan115> well I have used linux for programming in college so i used ot know like... a little bit but have forgotten it all now
[03:44] <James147> NRyan115: then i suggest you use kate for now and practus with vim on a non system file
[03:44] <NRyan115> so i guess james wants me to stao trolling youtube with lynks ? lol
[03:45] <NRyan115> stop*
[03:45]  * NRyan115 made an attempt at a joke
[03:45] <James147> ^^
[03:45] <luci> a noob who knows vi is a pro
[03:45] <look> Is there any chance that the driver for the kubuntu install will not work with my Nvidia card?
[03:45] <James147> luci: yup... but dont want to ruin system files in relearning how to use it
[03:46] <NRyan115> true, i havent used it in 2 years
[03:46] <James147> look: there is always a change :)
[03:46] <James147> chance ^^
[03:46] <James147> look: you can revert back to the open source ones be renaming or deleting /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:46] <look> James147, ugh, the regular ubuntu 10.04 install cd graphics driver does not work with my Nvidia card
[03:47] <James147> look: kubuntu and ubuntu use the same drivers....
[03:47] <luci> look: the gendric nv driver will always work
[03:47] <look> luci, you so sure? never worked for me at all on this system for some GD reason...
[03:47] <NRyan115> so would this be about right (I havent looked yet but just wondering) device = path to device mount point = locatoin like ~/Test  file-system = ext4 / ntfs options 0 0   ?
[03:47] <James147> luci: kubuntu 10.04 dosnt use nv anymore (dont know if they still ahve it) it uses... nuv... something
[03:47] <luci> generic*
[03:48] <look> James147, and i know you can revert like so sudo rm /etc/X11/xrog.conf && sudo restart kdm
[03:48] <James147> look: yeah, that will take you back to the default drivers
[03:49] <James147> luci: kubuntu 10.04 uses teh Nouveau now
[03:49] <look> lets hope the default even works. the ubuntu team is sitting in their office(cubicle?) laughing at us right now saying "we will support your hardware so awesomely that the drivers are to awesome and wont work."
[03:50] <luci> James147: look that's why it won't work..the nv works better imo
[03:50] <look> well ill give it a good go
[03:50] <James147> luci: either way its the default driver now
[03:51] <luci> look: if it won't work, try purge the nouveau driver
[03:51] <look> luci, ok explain to me how to purge, is it like an rm command?
[03:51] <luci> look: or use nividia-current
[03:52]  * look has now been lost
[03:52] <James147> NRyan115: basically... options should be "default" if you dont want to spicify any it should look like: "/dev/sda1 /media/disk ext4 default 0 0" assuming the device is /dev/sda1 you want it at /media/disk and the filesystem is ext4
[03:53] <NRyan115> yeah ok
[03:53] <NRyan115> so the 0 0 is fine at 0 and 0
[03:53] <NRyan115> ?
[03:54] <James147> NRyan115: yeah... not entirly sure that they do exactly... but 0 0   is fine
[03:54] <NRyan115> ok thanks
[03:54] <NRyan115> I have so much to do  - customizing and etc
[03:55] <James147> NRyan115: at least its easier to do on linux :)
[03:55] <NRyan115> what is the best and easiest way to find new apps? I mean, i know i can apt-get just about anything but only if you know the name, how do you browse?
[03:55] <James147> NRyan115: (note that the mount point you spicify needs to exist before you try to mount)
[03:56] <NRyan115> they already do
[03:56] <James147> NRyan115: kpackagekit is a nice gui app to install stuff... it will let you browes catagories of apps
[03:56] <NRyan115> i already opened it but it was blank
[03:56] <James147> others prefure the gnome one synaptic
[03:57] <NRyan115> it just had a search bar at the top
[03:57] <James147> NRyan115: yeah... you either search for an app name or select one of the catagories from the drop down menu
[03:58] <NRyan115> i didnt see any drop down menu but thanks i will look in more detail. There is so much to do I dont know where to start lol
[03:58] <James147> (or my prefured way to use aptitude from command line :D )
[03:58] <NRyan115> oh yeah i meant to ask what is the difference between apt-get and aptitude?
[03:58] <look> NRyan115, start by installing system32 lol XD j/k im make joke
[03:59] <marcosroriz> hi
[03:59] <James147> NRyan115: just two different programs to do the same thing :) aptitude use to handle uninstalling applications better (it removed dependencies that wernt needed any more) but apt-get is jsut as good now... aptitude also has a command line interactive mode
[04:01] <marcosroriz> is there anyone here that works for a big company in computer science?
[04:01] <James147> marcosroriz: not sure how thats a kubuntu support question....
[04:03] <look> marcosroriz, try #anyone_that_works_for_a_big_company_in_computer_science lol
[04:03] <look> marcosroriz, im joking don't take it personaly btw
[04:03] <marcosroriz> :~
[04:04] <marcosroriz> is because I'm with some personal questions
[04:04] <marcosroriz> and I wanted that someone who works at some companies could give me a hand
[04:04] <marcosroriz> is life stuff :/
[04:04] <look> marcosroriz, well this is a kubuntu support channel you could try #programming or ##windows <-- might be some in there but thats all i can think of....
[04:04] <James147> this is probally not the best channel to ask on... but then i wouldnt know which one is
[04:05] <marcosroriz> :3
[04:05] <marcosroriz> I'm kinda lost too
[04:05] <marcosroriz> I think I should go to a psycolhogist or something like it
[04:05] <James147> lost?
[04:06] <marcosroriz> on this stuff
[04:07] <NRyan115> so what is the kwallet?
[04:07] <NRyan115> it made me type a password when I open default music player
[04:08] <NRyan115> why does music player need access to my personal info from kwallet?
[04:08] <NRyan115> and what is it for
[04:08] <NRyan115> sorry for being such a noob
[04:08] <James147> NRyan115: kwallet stores passwords for various kde programs...
[04:09] <NRyan115> oh its a password manager?
[04:09] <NRyan115> why do i need a password to play music?
[04:09] <look> ok the drivers on the disc do not work for my nvidia card, so i did nomodeset and i booted now what will i have to do to keep it booting just fine and i don't have to keep putting in nomodeset...
[04:09] <James147> NRyan115: amarok has features to loginto sites to get music (last.fm for one) and needs to store their passwords in kwallet... you can disable them if you want
[04:09] <James147> look: try installing nvidia-current
[04:10] <look> James147, sudo apt-get install nvidia-current <tab, tab?>
[04:10] <James147> look: yea... dont needs to tab... after that :)
[04:11] <James147> look: after its installed run "sudo nvidia-xconfig"
[04:11] <look> James147, oh i see kk tanx will try if that does not work im kinda fudged
[04:11] <James147> look: the nvidia drivers should work better then the Nouveau ones
[04:12] <look> and now its stuck...i didn't install anything its still booting but its not reading from disc and its stuck AAAAUUUUGHH!!!!
[04:12] <look> ok now im pissed time to force xvesa
[04:13] <NRyan115> so by default kubuntu has no games is that right? I do not see an applications > games menu
[04:13] <look> NRyan115, linux is not so good with games....
[04:13] <James147> NRyan115: i have one :)
[04:14] <NRyan115> no the simple ones like solitair and breakout
[04:14] <James147> mostly has steam in it.... but you can install kdegames by installing "kdegames"
[04:14] <James147> kde has quite a few simple ones like that :)
[04:15] <NRyan115> k thanks - just wondering
[04:15] <look> can i upgrade my install of kubuntu 9.10 to have KDE 4.5?
[04:15] <James147> NRyan115: http://games.kde.org/ if you only want to install certin ones you can find them here
[04:16] <James147> look: you will need to compile from source to do so... kubuntu dont offer ppas to do that (not sure if anyone else does)
[04:16] <look> hmmm
[04:17] <NRyan115> cant have too many lol
[04:17] <James147> NRyan115: you can install each of the kdegames individually if you want
[04:17] <NRyan115> ok so there isnt just firefox to install.... only an installer to install so i can install firefox - thats messed up
[04:17] <look> ok nomodeset xforcevesa -- after quiet splash worked and its booted and installing YAY!
[04:18] <James147> NRyan115: "sudo aptitude install firefox" should install it
[04:19] <James147> NRyan115: or there should be an app in your menu that will install it for you (due to allot of people wanting to install it... i prefure chromium )
[04:19] <NRyan115> ok the thing is - from here by myself i have no idea that "firefox" is the name of the package I want to find a way to answer my own questions and help myself - which should be kpackagekit except it only lists "firefox installer to install firefox using a gui"
[04:19] <NRyan115> i dont want to install an installer just firefox
[04:20] <look> NRyan115, sudo apt-get install firefox will just install firefox
[04:20] <NRyan115> and yes i understand i can just apt-get firefox this time but i dont want to come here asking for the installer name for every piece of software i wat to install you know?
[04:21] <NRyan115> doesnt that make sense?
[04:21] <look> NRyan115, if you know the first part of the name of software at the end of "sudo apt-get install firef 'tab tab'" that will get you a list of packages with firef in them
[04:21] <James147> NRyan115: most applicaitons packages are named after the application... i tend to aptitude search <appname> to get a list of possible packages
[04:21] <look> see 2 ways of doing both work
[04:22] <NRyan115> yes but if i do a search in kpackagekit shouldnt it provide me with the exact same list of packages?
[04:22] <James147> NRyan115: also... kpakcagekit tends to search the package name... whihc i know is a bit stupid and makes it harder to find what you want if you dont know what you want :)
[04:23] <James147> i think in maverick there are plans for an app center type thing intergrated into kpakcagekit.... that might help improve things
[04:23] <NRyan115> i did a search for firefox and got like 40 packages, most of them plugins or addons, and one one that says it will install an installer to install firefox
[04:23] <look> ok KDE is installing just fine, now after its done lets see if i can boot it...
[04:23] <James147> NRyan115: i did and also got "firefox"
[04:23] <NRyan115> in kpackagekit?
[04:23] <James147> yeah
[04:24] <James147> as well as lots of other packages
[04:24] <NRyan115> well i just double checked after you said that and I did not
[04:24] <James147> it was enar the bottem... dont know why kpakcage kit dosent list things in order... aptitude search puts it at the top of the list :(
[04:24] <NRyan115> the shortest title is "Firefox debug symbols"
[04:25] <James147> NRyan115: have you updated the package list? (on teh software updates tab or by sudo aptitude update)
[04:25] <look> NRyan115, your being a bit picky... open konsole and type sudo apt-get update plz
[04:25] <NRyan115> i already ran sudo apt-get upgrade and it took a long time
[04:26] <look> NRyan115, sudo apt-get UPDATE
[04:26] <NRyan115> it sounded better than upgrade
[04:26] <NRyan115> update*
[04:26] <NRyan115> upgrade says it does update plus more
[04:26] <James147> NRyan115: o and i am not looking at the title... i was looking at the package name under neeth firefox is listed as "safe and east web browser from mozilla"
[04:26] <NRyan115> well its just my humble oppinion but thats friggen stupid
[04:26] <NRyan115> lol
[04:26] <NRyan115> ok i see it
[04:26]  * look face palms
[04:27] <James147> NRyan115: sudo aptitude update will update the package litst (get a lsit of software and versions) sudo aptitude upgrade  will upgrade you to the lastest version of stuff... you should do and update before installing or upgrading
[04:27] <NRyan115> The title of it in the list starts with "Safe and easy" that is highly unexpected when looking for "Firefox" or "Mozilla Firefox"
[04:28] <James147> NRyan115: i know it dosnt make sence... but kde is improving over times... i think kpakcagekit is still one of the areas that could do wiht improvment
[04:28] <NRyan115> especially when looking in a list of 40 items
[04:28] <NRyan115> you guys need me... i will tell you about what needs improvement heh
[04:29] <James147> we need more people to actual write the code :)
[04:29] <look> there are thousands of people doing that everyday
[04:29] <NRyan115> aww
[04:29] <look> James147, i code Python and C++ i might be of some use
[04:29] <NRyan115> when did they take the slap command out of irc?
[04:29] <James147> NRyan115: i am looking forward to the app store thing thats ment to be in maverick or later... :) that should improve kpakcage kit
[04:29] <look> NRyan115, when the /me command was put in
[04:30]  * James147 slaps NRyan115
[04:30]  * look slapps NRyan115
[04:30] <James147> lol
[04:30] <look> XD
[04:30] <NRyan115> that isnt true, you used to have both
[04:30]  * NRyan115 slaps look in the face with a large trout
[04:30] <NRyan115> look i'm old school
[04:31]  * look slaps NRyan115 with his giant bandwidth of power FEAR CAT 6 E!!!!!!
[04:31] <NRyan115> i haven't used mirc in like a decade
[04:31] <NRyan115> it makes me want to visit bash.org again
[04:31] <look> NRyan115, use Xchat much better
[04:31] <look> NRyan115, bash.org sux now
[04:31] <NRyan115> well im usin quassel right now or whatever
[04:31] <James147> look: if you wish to help see:http://www.kubuntu.org/community/contribute
[04:31] <look> NRyan115, the mods stopped posting quotes :(
[04:31] <NRyan115> it does? :(
[04:32] <NRyan115> i like to program microchips in assembly
[04:32] <NRyan115> haha noone likes me
[04:32] <RedEyess> i just install kubuntu under regular ubuntu 10.04
[04:32] <RedEyess> it is very nice
[04:33] <James147> NRyan115: look: should probally try to keep it on topic or head to #kubuntu-offtopic :D
[04:33] <look> James147, my bad it happens sometimes
[04:34] <James147> look: its alright :)
[04:34] <look> ok now its time to test the install to see if it works
[04:35] <James147> look: good luck
[04:35] <look> James147, sudo apt-get install Nvidia-current?
[04:35] <James147> nvidia.....
[04:36] <look> OH YEA!!!! power to the loonix!!
[04:37] <NRyan115> so im trying to install firefox and it is stuck on "waiting for authentication"
[04:37] <NRyan115> (gui)
[04:37] <NRyan115> nevermind i see it
[04:37] <James147> NRyan115: :D
[04:38] <look> James147, do i have to exit KDM before i install this or am i just fine with installing it with it running?
[04:38] <James147> yeah, the box hides its self soemtimes... think its the focus stealing policy... you can force kwin to keep that dialog ontop when it appreas though
[04:38] <James147> look: i think you can install while running... need to restart x to see its effects though (run sudo nvidia-xconfig first though)
[04:39] <look> sudo nvidia-xconfig after i install the new driver correct?
[04:39] <James147> yeah
[04:39] <look> tanx again man saved my hide
[04:39] <look> now its time for a victory mountain dew
[04:39] <James147> it will create an xorg.conf to tell x to use the nvidia driver
[04:40] <NRyan115> what is the command for becomming a pro when your a noob - is it "rm -rf /" ?
[04:40] <look> NRyan115, thats is very crewl of you
[04:40] <James147> NRyan115: i wouldnt do that or mention it here.... some people like to copy commands and try them out
[04:40] <NRyan115> ok i'm sorry
[04:41] <NRyan115> i wasnt trying to mislead anyone else just make fun of myself
[04:41] <look> 0.0
[04:41] <James147> NRyan115: thats fine... jsut be careful around dangroud commands like that... there are other people watching that dont know what they do :)
[04:42] <NRyan115> thank you again for the help I think I am going to disconnect and go to bed soon after some more config. I will see you guys later. James are you here often?
[04:42] <NRyan115> was that one right anyways?
[04:42] <NRyan115> erase everything
[04:42] <James147> NRyan115: mostly... but it wont work as a user
[04:42] <look> now its time for a restart wish me luck
[04:42] <NRyan115> right
[04:43] <James147> NRyan115: might need --no-preserve-root
[04:43] <NRyan115> but seriousely, if i want to play arround with RM -r to remember hwo it works..  recursively words down the directory tree but not up right?
[04:43] <James147> (as rm trys to protect agenst stupid people)
[04:43] <look> YYYYYESSS!!!
[04:43] <NRyan115> like if i am in a test folder with many sub folders i can rm -r and be fine right?
[04:43] <look> awesome
[04:44] <James147> NRyan115: -r will recurse into sub folders... it wont topuch parent directories
[04:45] <NRyan115> ok now if I have other users on the computer and they put a file called ".." in the test folder what then?
[04:45] <NRyan115> and other exceptions
[04:45] <James147> NRyan115: (although if you ahve ../ that means teh parent directory
[04:45] <James147> NRyan115: not sure you can create a file called ..   it should already exist and is a spical link to the parent
[04:45] <NRyan115> is there a way to call rm recursively in a way that will not get fooled by bad file names like that? like, a safe way
[04:46] <NRyan115> ok what about a file names "~/"
[04:46] <NRyan115>  or "/"
[04:46] <NRyan115> I know you cant have those in windows but you can here right?
[04:46] <look> James147, how do i change my theme in 4.5
[04:46] <James147> NRyan115: mkdir ..    >  mkdir: cannot create directory `..': File exists
[04:47] <James147> NRyan115: you cannot name a file / :) at least not easaly
[04:47] <James147> look: which theme?
[04:47] <look> James147, just how do i change themes? im on the default theme but i have no idea how to change it...
[04:48] <James147> look: again which theme... there are many places depending on what you want
[04:48] <look> whats the generic place most people go to?
[04:48] <look> is there a setting manager?
[04:48] <James147> system settings
[04:48] <NRyan115> well none the less i feel this is a valid administration question. Lets say I - i dont know, fire someone from my company and want to recursively delete their private folder which contains thousands of files. How can I protect myself while deleting that?
[04:49] <look> James147, ok im at system settings
[04:49] <James147> application appearence will change how the apps look, workspace appearence will change plamsa
[04:49] <NRyan115> what is plasma?
[04:49] <look> James147, found it tanx
[04:49] <James147> NRyan115: its the dasktop basically
[04:50] <James147> NRyan115: it handels teh background widgets and panels
[04:50] <NRyan115> thanks
[04:50] <NRyan115> how about my harder question
[04:50] <NRyan115> also dont feel obligated to answer all my questions :p just tell me to google it
[04:51] <James147> NRyan115: it gives me something to do :) ... although i should be sleeping
[04:54] <look> James147, how do i get transparent pannels in KDE 4.5?
[04:54] <James147> look: enable transparancy (desktop effects i think) and pick a theme with a transparent pannel
[04:57] <NRyan115> how can I install software not in the repositories.... for example I like Opera web browser
[04:57] <James147> NRyan115: that depends on the software and how teh developers have packaged it
[04:58] <James147> NRyan115: generally go to their site... and look for a linux version (preferbally a .deb)
[04:59] <NRyan115> and after i download the file (assuming .deb)
[04:59] <James147> NRyan115: if its a .deb either click on it in dolhpin   or in konsole "dpkg -i PACKAGENAME.deb"
[05:00] <James147> ^^ where PACKAGENAME.deb is the name off the file
[05:00] <NRyan115> yeah thanks
[05:01] <James147> NRyan115: gdebi-kde  is the program name that dolphin launches to install it (its a dpkg frontend)
[05:01] <NRyan115> thanks... is it possible to open none debian packages?
[05:02] <NRyan115> install*
[05:02] <NRyan115> like rm
[05:02] <NRyan115> etc
[05:02] <James147> NRyan115: depends on the package
[05:04] <James147> NRyan115: some programs come with an installation script... others need to be compiled from source
[05:04] <James147> .debs are the easiest way
[05:05] <NRyan115> hmm ok
[05:05] <James147> although most will either have a .deb or provide the source
[05:06] <James147> NRyan115: but then again the repos have most of the stuff you should need :) or at elast viable alternitives
[05:09] <NRyan115> ok so opera has tar.bz2 and tar.gz options
[05:10] <look> James147, ^^ Bz2 or gz
[05:10] <look> NRyan115, do you know how to use either?
[05:11] <NRyan115> in windows I use winrar and unzip like a stripper in a parker
[05:11] <NRyan115> parka* ?
[05:11]  * NRyan115 does not know
[05:12] <look> NRyan115, ok you should be able to just click on the package and click sxtract just like winrar
[05:12] <NRyan115> ok, is there a consol command?
[05:12] <look> i don't know the konsol command...google it?
[05:13] <NRyan115> ok... is it likely that there is a .deb file in the package?
[05:13] <look> NRyan115, what package is it/
[05:14] <NRyan115> opera
[05:14] <look> hmm i don't know, one sec
[05:14] <NRyan115> its ok
[05:14] <look> NRyan115, http://www.go2linux.org/opera-from-repository-for-ubuntu-or-debian
[05:15] <NRyan115> its too late to do this i will do it tomorrow
[05:15] <NRyan115> what is that
[05:15] <look> how to install opera
[05:16] <NRyan115> will i sound stupid if i ask who canoncal is?
[05:25] <NRyan115> ok so if i am editing my sources.list file in kate - how do i save it? i'm guessing I need admin but its not asking me for a password so.... how do i save it?
[05:26] <James147> NRyan115: you must open kate as root... (kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list)
[05:26] <NRyan115> so its too late i have to throw away my changes
[05:26] <NRyan115> thats dumb
[05:26] <James147> NRyan115: ... no.. you can save to you home directory
[05:26] <NRyan115> for someone like me who wouldnt know it should tell you that somehow when you open it so you dont have to find out AFTER you make changes
[05:27] <James147> then open kate as root and save again to the orignal location
[05:28] <NRyan115> how do I open kate as root? it just says open with... it doesnt have open with kate (as root) when i try to open this file
[05:28] <James147> NRyan115: most people how need to edit a file as root are told to... already know... or quickly find out
[05:29] <NRyan115> but see its that thinking that keeps linux from being popular - sadly you guys often make these small excused instead of making it more user friendly
[05:29] <NRyan115> so how cna i open kate as root?
[05:29] <James147> NRyan115: generally people just start kate as root with "kdesudo kate" then do ti that way... but i think there is a service menu you can get to add the "edit as root" option to the context menu
[05:29] <NRyan115> i did not punctuate that correctly - my mistake. I meant it was sad that linux is not more popular
[05:30] <James147> NRyan115: this isent something that it needs to become more popular... if it wants to be popular it needs to be easy for general people to use... not people who wants to edit config files
[05:31] <James147> NRyan115: you also have to keep in mind that kde4 is relitivly new compared to other enviroments... it is rapidly evolving and gettign new things
[05:32] <NRyan115> again, your thinking small picture vs i'm thinking big picture. Its not about this one config file its about the generic response I always get of 'us smart people already know that - people who arent linux gods find out eventually' rather than 'hmm maybe we should make that more obvious / easy'
[05:33] <NRyan115> and thats fine, but linux has been arround for a logn time and its not all KDE's fault
[05:33] <NRyan115> i'm just saying - and i do not mean to make it sound liek its your fault either
[05:33] <NRyan115> you are being very helpful
[05:33] <James147> NRyan115: linux is built by programmers primarly for programmers... it is only recently being made easier for the general people... and it is improving rapidly over time
[05:34] <James147> NRyan115: you should have seen it 3 years ago... it was far from being this user frendly
[05:34] <bazhang> install kubuntu-desktop
[05:34] <bluezone> that answered my question even though i didnt ask :P
[05:35] <bluezone> oh i did. lol
[05:35] <NRyan115> I installed Mandriva - or mandrake or whatever about 6 years ago for like 10 minutes. I couldnt take it so i formated and hapily kept using windows xp
[05:35] <bazhang> yeah in the -unregged channel
[05:35] <James147> NRyan115: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Simple+Root+Actions+Menu?content=72762  for an easy way to edit as root :)
[05:35] <James147> welll, once you install that to the service menus for dolphin
[05:37] <NRyan115> thanks but actually i should not install it so i learn the ""right"" way first
[05:38] <James147> NRyan115: you can also install it via Dolphin > Settings > configure dolphin > services > download new services (well you can at least on kde 4.5)
[05:41] <James147> NRyan115: although that last way is refusing to install anything for me :S
[05:45] <ATCbuff> guys  I would need some help
[05:45] <ATCbuff> I lost my internet
[05:45] <ATCbuff> on my desktop
[05:45] <ATCbuff> after I had to disconnect the power forcefully
[05:46] <James147> ATCbuff: what does knetworkmanager say (it should be in your systray)
[05:51] <NRyan115> ok so the hardware driver updater or whatever updates any device drivers but where can i see my installed hardware. what if i have something odd that I want to see if it is installed, and if i want to see what driver it is using. Like sound card, or tv tuner card
[05:51] <NRyan115> there must be aplace.
[05:52] <ATCbuff> NRyan115 If you are talking to me, I found it: sudo dhclient eth0
[05:52] <James147> NRyan115: kinfocenter ... probally
[05:52] <ATCbuff> Oh sorry
[05:52] <ATCbuff> nevermind that
[05:53] <NRyan115> there is no built intot he os way to check your currently installed hardware
[05:53] <NRyan115> that seems like madness
[05:53] <James147> NRyan115: you dont really have to worry about drivers if everything is working fine... if something isent then you need to say what isnt as most thing should jsut work
[05:54] <James147> NRyan115: "lspci" "lshw"
[05:54] <James147> NRyan115: it depends on what your trying to find
[05:54] <James147> NRyan115: "sudo lshw" should list most things
[05:56] <NRyan115> i want to know if my tv tuner card is installed for one - but what is the point of buying nice high end hardware if you cant even verrify that it is using it correctly. I mean, if its running my videocard like an integrated intel chip that would be terible. Granted i'm not gaming on linux (yet) but still, lots of hardware has special features
[05:57] <James147> NRyan115: most of the drivers are built into the kernal... only anoying proprity ones like the nvidia ones arent
[05:57] <NRyan115> but like gigabit ethernet vs 10 base t might be a good example
[05:59] <NRyan115> if the kernel loads a 10baset drivers and i am unable to load gigabit.. it is important to make sure the hardware is isntalled and working properly i am just saying
[05:59] <James147> NRyan115: there are ways of telling things like that :) just most of them require you to know the commands and dont have a nice gui frontend... unlike windows linux has most of the good drivers builtinto the kernal so you dont ahve to worry about "getting the best one" for 95% of your hardware
[05:59] <NRyan115> windows vista and especially 7 does have most drivers built in actually
[06:00] <NRyan115> none the less many proprietary drivers unlock features not otherwise available
[06:00] <James147> NRyan115: I dont know the commands to check if your using gigbit but my guess is that ifconfig might work :) also... i think linux can hanel that and will pick the best speed
[06:01] <NRyan115> i dont care about gigabit honestly.... my cable is 6mbps max so who cares that was just an example
[06:01] <NRyan115> i do care about my tv tuner though
[06:01] <James147> NRyan115: unfortunately most proprietary drivers are windows only so you are then stuck without them on linux anyway...
[06:01] <NRyan115> i'm looking through this list lshw
[06:01] <NRyan115> and i dont see it but then again im not sure if i would recognize it
[06:02] <NRyan115> its an haupage pvr 150
[06:02] <James147> NRyan115: most of the time its best to handel them on a case by case basis... there is not normally one solution fixes all in linux :s
[06:02] <NRyan115> how cna i check that
[06:03] <James147> NRyan115: often searching google for the model and words like "linux" or "ubuntu" will bring up stuff on how to get things to work
[06:03] <NRyan115> but it might be installed already
[06:04] <NRyan115> its crazy to me that there is no easy way to check other than to install mythtv and see if it works out of the box
[06:04] <James147> NRyan115: then look for a program to test it :) afraid I dont know much about tv tuners or what programs use them
[06:04] <James147> NRyan115: what easy way is tehre to check?... if it dosnt work the ebst way is to try to use it... if you can do that then it dosnet really matter if it dosnt work :S
[06:05] <NRyan115> so who are you james. just a random kubuntu user who is trying to give back like a nice person or are you a member of a dev team
[06:05] <James147> NRyan115: just a random user that really should go to sleep... sorry if i am sound snappy :)
[06:06] <NRyan115> well i run a windows based pc repair business in people's homes
[06:06] <NRyan115> and being that i tend to repair / diagnose problems on computers all the time i find it very important to do more than just run it and check because if it doesnt work it could be the program, the hardware, the drriver, the configuration
[06:07] <NRyan115> being able to confirm one or more makes it easier to find the problem
[06:07] <NRyan115> if it doesnt work i wont know if it a bad program, if the tv tuner isnt even installed, if it is installe dbut has a bad driver, etc etc
[06:09] <NRyan115> james147: question, I did sudo apt-get install mythtv (a tv tuner program) and at the end of the install my terminal turned blue and is asking me to set a mysql root user password
[06:10] <NRyan115> do you know what that is about?
[06:10] <James147> NRyan115: thats the password that mysql will use for its admin prevliage... it can be different or the same as you password
[06:10] <NRyan115> but why am i running a mysql database? i'm just a user i'm not running a webhost or anything
[06:10] <James147> NRyan115: mysql is a database server that requires a user/password to access it... thats asking you to set up the root one
[06:11] <James147> NRyan115: mythtv probally uses it
[06:11] <NRyan115> thats weird
[06:14] <James147> NRyan115: just tpye a password thatyou can remember... it will probally be the last time you type it unless there is a major problem with mysql
[06:14] <NRyan115> ok well goto bed. If you do I probably will have to as well since noone else can put with me.
[06:14] <NRyan115> its like your keeping me up :p
[06:14] <James147> :p
[06:14] <James147> night
[06:14] <James147> bah... its light again :S
[06:14] <NRyan115> haha where are you?
[06:14] <NRyan115> it 1 AM here
[08:43] <k4ever> hi all.
[08:44] <k4ever> using bluez 4.... how do I set the lm master on a PAN network?
[08:45] <k4ever> i'm trying to share my laptop's internet connection with my phone (not the other way around).  blueman created bnep0 and is using pan0 as a bridge to my laptop's network.  i want my laptop's network to be the master.
[09:22] <olskolirc> how can I get kdewallet to automatically accept my password without my input please?
[09:25] <well_laid_lawn> set no password maybe ?
[10:45] <skramer_> I have a problem with the panel transparency: panel gets opaque if compositing turned off, but it does not change back to transparent if I turn on compositing again
[10:46] <skramer_> any hints?
[11:30] <ash__> jhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[11:30] <ash__> hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
[11:30] <ash__> any body ere
[11:45] <dylan_hrayka> whats the go with metabot?
[12:17] <evdvelde> Hi all, where can i find akonadi-googledata version 1.1.0 for kubuntu? The current available version for kubuntu contains some serious problems...
[12:20] <mudassar> hello people plz help me configuring printer in kubuntu 10.04
[12:20] <mudassar> using CUPS
[12:46] <thomasfuston> Aloha, is it usual that, kword 2.2 spellcheck wont highlight wrong written words?
[14:15] <jdalt_> hey ladies and dudes, i need to change my mac address and i've done it via the /etc/network/interfaces file. now i want to do it the kde knetworkmanager way. where i can do this?
[14:35] <ritesh> hi
[14:35] <ritesh> everyone
[14:36] <rork> hi
[14:36] <ritesh> hi rork
[14:36] <floown> hello
[14:36] <floown> I have a blank windows when I try to configure Kopete 1.0.80 on KDE 4.5.00 (Kubuntu). I have remove / purge the packets but the bug is still here. I can not add a account now. Any idea, please?
[14:36] <alfred_> hi
[14:37] <ritesh> search on the net
[14:37] <ritesh> it better option
[14:38] <ritesh> floown
[14:38] <Adolf> :)
[14:40] <Yud_Zroc> having a hard time installing stuff using the default package manager "Kpackagekit" click for download high apply and it resets my search defaults
[14:45] <Yud_Zroc> im not really sure if i should be in kubuntu or ubuntu channel but i am having a hard time running the apt-get version in kde
[14:52] <Yud_Zroc> hello i am having some problems with my update manager/packager it....doesnt work
[14:52] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[14:52] <Yud_Zroc> is there a way to use another package manager
[14:57] <BluesKaj> Yud_Zroc, have you considerd using the command line ?Ususally when you upgrade or do a clean install, not all the repositories where the apps/packages are stored aren't available . Open kmenu/system/software sources , enable all repositories in ubuntu software and also the"othersoftware, except for the cdrom one . then try to install the apps
[14:59] <ronney> hi, somebody from romania?
[14:59] <BluesKaj> !ro
[14:59] <ronney> ok, mersi mult
[15:00] <sanoop> hi fellows
[15:29] <wilhart> anyone got crackling sound from smplayer ever?
[15:35] <xmarteo> hello
[15:41] <xmarteo> amarok does not ask me if i want to install the "bad" codecs
[15:41] <xmarteo> btw it does not read mp3 and so on
[15:42] <xmarteo> btw i've installed the stuff e.g. xine's extra codecs
[15:43] <truefx> hi guys
[15:43] <truefx> i got a problem
[15:44] <truefx> i was using kget to dl some files but out of sudden it has crashed then whole my list in kget is lost
[15:44] <truefx> the semi completed files are under my /home/username/Downloads directory
[15:44] <truefx> how can i resume to dl all those files ?
[15:45] <truefx> are .torrent files are stored somehwere ? and can i import them to kget just to resume downloading ?
[15:53] <wilhart> äöå
[15:53] <wilhart> noin
[16:04] <sanoop> hai fellows..................
[16:07] <sanoop> hello anyone home
[16:10] <prower> hello :> i've been trying to use kdenlive to edit some videos i've made together...the program itself works great except for the project/clip monitors, which are just a plain white despite the fact the audio is still playing :< has anyone else seen this problem?
[16:11] <sanoop> can anyone help me with my pigdin messenger
[16:12] <BluesKaj> sanoop, what version of kubuntu are you using ?
[16:13] <sanoop> am usin a ultimate edition ubuntu
[16:14] <BluesKaj> prower, I'm not real familiar with kdenlive, but avidemux might help you solve that problem ..it has extensive editing capabilities.
[16:15] <BluesKaj> sanoop, ok but which version ?
[16:15] <BluesKaj> lucid ot karmic  or ....?
[16:16] <prower> BluesKaj, Avidemux certainly is good for some things :> It doesn't have as many features as cinelerra or kdenlive unfortunately...there's some things in it that i would need
[16:16] <prower> it's great for converting files though :>
[16:16] <sanoop> dont know the version is 2.24.1
[16:16] <sanoop> gnome
[16:17] <BluesKaj> sanoop, lsb_release -a , in the terminal
[16:18] <sanoop> No LSB modules are available.
[16:19] <sanoop> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[16:19] <sanoop> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[16:19] <sanoop> Description:	Ubuntu 8.10
[16:19] <sanoop> Release:	8.10
[16:20] <sanoop> Codename:	intrepid
[16:20] <sanoop> hope you got tht
[16:20] <BluesKaj> sanoop, ok so pidgin will work
[16:21] <BluesKaj> !pm | sanoop
[16:22] <sanoop> its not wrkin for may yahoo account
[16:23] <sanoop> am new to konversation that why..........
[16:24] <sanoop> can you help me buddy
[16:26] <sanoop> can anyone help me with my kopete
[16:27] <BluesKaj> sanoop, do you it open ?  if so click accounts, add new account, for protocol set to yahoo, enter username and password
[16:27] <sanoop> ya i did
[16:28] <BluesKaj> sanoop, so what's happening ?
[16:28] <slow-motion> hi
[16:29] <sanoop> after some time an error come
[16:29] <BluesKaj> sanoop, what error ?
[16:30] <sanoop> please wait
[16:30] <sanoop> it still says connecting
[16:32] <sanoop> am located in India so do i have make any changes in settings
[16:33] <BluesKaj> sanoop, are you using a router ?
[16:33] <sanoop> no am using my phone to connect to internet thru bluetooth
[16:35] <ilia> help : what configuration file is responsible for File Associations? I already tried changing the and `diff`ing between new .kde and old .kde with no help, where can these files be?
[16:35] <BluesKaj> try setting up the india server setting (after entering your username click advanced tab and put a check in the india's box)
[16:36] <sanoop> the server setting says "scs.msg.yahoo.com"
[16:37] <sanoop> this is in override
[16:37] <sanoop> do i have to override the default server information
[16:38] <BluesKaj> ilia, open konqueror and set the option file assoc
[16:39] <BluesKaj> sanoop, try it , but make sure you have a gateway
[16:40] <sanoop> ok
[16:42] <valid_nickname19> BluesKaj: I am looking to change the file association on multiple file types in a script, not to do it one-by-one manually
[16:44] <sanoop> how can i change the channel?
[16:46] <sanoop> is there any other channel
[16:49] <BluesKaj> valid_nickname19, that's beyond my knowledge , maybe the experts at #ubuntu can help you
[17:27] <NRyan115> hello... can anyone help me figure out why I do not have any sound when I visit youtube but I do have sound when I play music with amorak?
[17:28] <plassy> the flashplayer uses oss or not?
[17:28] <NRyan115> are you talking to me? if so I dont knwo what that even means.
[17:28] <plassy> and kubuntu uses pulseaudio for audio mixing
[17:29] <NRyan115> <------- noob linux user
[17:29] <plassy> oh
[17:29] <NRyan115> I just install kubunut yesterday
[17:29] <plassy> what version?
[17:29] <NRyan115> 10.04
[17:30] <NRyan115> im not a computer retard - just a linux one
[17:30] <plassy> for me it works when you close all aps that play sound
[17:30] <plassy> *apps
[17:30] <NRyan115> um
[17:30] <NRyan115> ok but I dont want that
[17:31] <plassy> kubuntu uses pulseaudio for audio mixing... and you can configure it somehow to do "oss emulation", but i sadly don't know how :(
[17:32] <plassy> on my notebook sound and flashplayer are working simultanously
[17:32] <plassy> on my desktop PC not... (but by desktop PC has ).
[17:32] <NRyan115> I do not know what oss or pulse audio is
[17:32] <NRyan115> I have a creative X-Fi
[17:32] <plassy> my desktop pc has 9.04
[17:33] <plassy> it's not an issue with your soundcard
[17:34] <plassy> it's an issue with the configuration of pulseaudio (i think) http://www.pulseaudio.org/
[17:35] <NRyan115> not a setting with flash?
[17:35] <plassy> but i sadly don't know how to configure it, too... but maybe someone else knows...
[17:35] <NRyan115> since flahs is the only thing so far i have noticed not work
[17:35] <plassy> no flash doesnt support pulseaudio natively
[17:36] <plassy> it uses oss (open sound system) but pulseaudio can emulate the oss interface
[17:37] <plassy> beleave me, this flash thing is driving me crazy too
[17:38] <plassy> as i said, on my notebook it works somehow. so i thought they fixed thin in 10.04
[17:38] <plassy> *this
[17:40] <NRyan115> what is the nickname for 10.04 ?
[17:40] <NRyan115> google search finds solutions but ubuntu versions are liste dby name not number
[17:40] <plassy> Lucid Lynx
[17:40] <NRyan115> ty
[17:51] <sanoop> am back..........
[18:06] <Skaja> I installed kbuntu last night. when I boot kde up the tool bar on the bottom isn't filled out
[18:18] <BluesKaj> Skaja, do you mean the panel toolbar and what is missing ?
[18:19] <Skaja> The panel toolbar background is missing
[18:20] <sanoop> hey my empathy messenger is also not working
[18:22] <BluesKaj> Skaja, it's transparent ?
[18:22] <Skaja> part of it is transparent. the background is black
[18:23] <NRyan115> i fixed my flash sound yay!
[18:23] <BluesKaj> sanoop,what exactly is your setup for internet ..I need to know how you connecting
[18:24] <sanoop> what do you mean by that
[18:24] <BluesKaj> what kind of internet connection?
[18:24] <sanoop> first of all i has to bind my bluetooth using rfcomm
[18:25] <sanoop> then ill use pon command for connection
[18:25] <sanoop> is there any other way for connecting through bluetooth
[18:25] <BluesKaj> well sorry sanoop , i'm not familiar with that setup...maybe someone else can help
[18:26] <amit> Hi All need some general understanding of adding programs / utilites on my system
[18:27] <amit> i do have adept manager to do it.. but some how my flash player is not getting installed.. need some advice on that..
[18:28] <BluesKaj> amit, install flashplugin-installer
[18:30] <BluesKaj> also amit , install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[18:30] <sanoop> BluesKaj are you there
[18:31] <BluesKaj> sanoop, yes
[18:32] <sanoop> is there any other way for connection through bluetooth
[18:34] <Skaja> BluesKaj: I just fixed it. There was sometthing wrong with the workspace theme
[18:35] <sanoop> BluesKaj:is there any other way for connection through bluetooth
[18:38] <BluesKaj> sanoop, dunno anything about bluetooth , maybe someone in #ubuntu can help you
[18:38] <sanoop> ok
[18:39] <look> whats the minimum requirements to run KDE4.5?
[18:54] <look> whats the minimum requirements to run KDE4.5? anyone?
[18:55] <look> i have a 1.6GHz notebook with 1GB of RAM <-- will that do? (i just love kde)
[18:56] <look> looks like ill have to find out for myself then...
[20:07] <chris_> hi
[20:08] <chris_> since upgrading to kde 4.5, non-kde apps that use the system tray are also shown as empty x windows. i cannot figure out the right settings in 'special window settings'. can sb help, pls?
[20:16] <alvin> look: Try the netbook edition. Your notebook will not be fast, but it's powerful enough
[20:25] <rdale> i've upgraded to kde 4.5 in my version of kubuntu 10.04, and I am finding konqueror pretty much unusable. Flash doesn't work, and a lot of sites with comments seem to bomb out. for instance http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/camerons-thrilled-by-babys-early-arrival-2060807.html appears at first and then disappears with  nothing but 'Type your comment here' visible. is this a known problem?
[20:32] <NRyan115> HELP ME
[20:33] <NRyan115> I deleted my start bar, or home pannel or whatever its called
[20:33] <NRyan115> I barely remmbered that alt+F2 = command line
[20:48] <NRyan115> nnone can help?
[20:48] <Unksi> NRyan115: right click on the desktop and select add panel?
[20:49] <NRyan115> that only makes a blank pannel
[20:49] <Unksi> select the default one
[20:49] <NRyan115> i need the eon with the task manager and the kde button
[20:50] <NRyan115> the is no such thing as "select the default one" when I click "add new pannel" it just adds a blank bar to my screen edge
[20:50] <Unksi> hmm ok
[20:50] <Unksi> then you gotta add the buttons there
[20:50] <Unksi> through add widgets from the right click menu
[20:50] <Unksi> and drag them to the panel
[20:51] <NRyan115> what? I cant do that
[20:51] <NRyan115> i dont want a widget bar i want the task bar back with the "start" button back, the system time and everything
[20:52] <Unksi> that bar is a "widget bar" as well, all those things are just widgets
[20:53] <NRyan115> well i just want the bar back
[20:53] <NRyan115> as it was default
[20:54] <Unksi> the fastest way would probably be to mv ~/.kde ~/kde_settings_old in konsole and then log back in
[20:54] <NRyan115> wont that undo all of my kde settings?
[20:55] <larsjaaa> NRyan115: probably best to test, you have your old settings backed up if needed..
[20:55] <NRyan115> what do you mean i have the settings backed up
[20:56] <larsjaaa> NRyan115: mv means you just move the config file, login will create new
[20:56] <NRyan115> yes but doesnt that file contain more than just the task bar settings?
[20:57] <larsjaaa> NRyan115: go have a look? :)
[20:57] <larsjaaa> NRyan115: it will totaly revert all your KDE settings, yes
[20:57] <NRyan115> looks ive had linux installed for 1 day and i'm just looking for help. I cant do anything because i dont have a task bar and i cant even see what i have open.
[20:58] <NRyan115> Yes i can alt tab and yes alt-f2 let sme open stuff but still, no taskbar is the same as an unusable gui
[20:58] <larsjaaa> NRyan115: sounds weird, when you are in gdm/kdm (login screen) make sure to choose kde?
[20:59] <NRyan115> what do you mean choose kde?
[20:59] <NRyan115> its kubuntu
[20:59] <NRyan115> im in kde
[21:00] <larsjaaa> NRyan115: oh, sorry, this means you have tried to tackle the Cashewnut :(
[21:00] <NRyan115> i was trying to close a program i had open - so i right clicked and hit close, but instead of closing the program it deleted the taskbar
[21:01] <larsjaaa> NRyan115: probably not, but I see what you mean, the desktop settings in Kubuntu is real fragile,
[21:01] <larsjaaa> NRyan115: tried to righclik the desktop and add panel?
[21:02] <NRyan115> yes
[21:03] <NRyan115> when i do that it just adds a blank pannels it doesnt ask me what type to add
[21:03] <NRyan115> and what do you mean probably not?
[21:04] <larsjaaa> NRyan115: try the tips from Unksi, restore your kde settings...
[21:05] <NRyan115> I dont want to loose the hours of works ive done to customize my computer just because the taskbar is easier to delete than a program is to close
[21:05] <Unksi> yeah that command will backup your configs and relogging will create you the defaults again
[21:05] <Unksi> so you dont lose them all
[21:07] <larsjaaa> the kde developers remind of of the devs at work :) bug? not uuundersaand, are you suuuuuuuuuuuuuure? what? must be a changerequest:)
[21:08] <NRyan115> when i re log in all of my settings will not be in use - i dont care if i have a pretty file someplace else with my settings if they are not "set"  then wtf is the point of having them.
[21:09] <larsjaaa> NRyan115: not right attitude.. go Windows?
[21:09] <NRyan115> the backup is only so i can go back to this if i dont liek the defaults.
[21:11] <larsjaaa> NRyan115: you obviously made a mistake. It is not an easy way of reverting all the KDE settings you like without restarting like Unksi told..
[21:12] <NRyan115> i dont want to revert all the settings i just want to re enable the task bar
[21:12] <NRyan115> if there is a setting to hide or disable it there must be a setting to show or re enable it
[21:17] <iliar-kubuntu100> what configuration files determin File Association in Konqueror and Dolphin? I've already read about mime, but even after backing up /usr/share/mime* and .local and .kde and `diff`ing between them before and after changin file association I can't find which files are changed
[21:22] <ner0x> If I install a postfix server and plan on using it to relay, do I need all the typical settings or can I start with kubuntus "no config" and just add what I need?
[21:26] <valid_nickname19> what configuration files determin File Association in Konqueror and Dolphin? I've already read about mime, but even after backing up /usr/share/mime* and .local and .kde and `diff`ing between them before and after changin file association I can't find which files are changed
[21:26] <iliar-kubuntu100> sorry
[21:40] <lahwran> wow I'm very impressed with KDE 4 again
[21:41] <Flutiju`> Hi, since I've installed kde4.5 on my kubuntu 10.04, strigi doesn't work anymore (find nothing)
[22:01] <markit> hi, is it normal that upgrading to kde 4.5, package kdebase-plasma is removed? (kub 10.04)
[22:11] <ansong> is there a way to change the volume feedback osd colors?
[22:14] <tuxifier> ansong: why would you want that?
[22:15] <ansong> because they are very low contrast, i'm using kde 4.5 and the white on gray is very difficult to see
[22:18] <tuxifier> krdc doesn't work properly on kde-4.5 anyone else got that issue?
[22:21] <ansong> here's a screencap of my desktop with the volume osd visible
[22:21] <ansong> http://imgur.com/5pGNE.png
[23:07] <arek> hello everyone. my firts time on IRC
[23:07] <arek> ::D


[16:25] <l3on> mdke: ping
[16:25] <mdke> l3on: (In case I'm not around at the moment, please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I get back)
[17:14] <jpds> l3on: How many times have you pinged him?
[17:15] <l3on> jpds: untill he answers to my mail... ;)
[17:15] <jpds> l3on: I'm sure he'll get round to that sooner or later.
[17:19] <l3on> I wrote him 3 days ago... I'm worried for his health :D