[01:26] <fUSiON-fr> salut 7oussem
[01:28] <lenscape> anyone know where the panel ticker applet is?
[01:28] <Jucato> lenscape: panel ticker?
[01:29] <lenscape> applet for RSS feeds scrolling in the panel
[01:29] <icheyne> which CD rippers are you boys using?
[01:29] <icheyne> and why?
[01:29] <lenscape> icheyne: KAudioCreator
[01:29] <Jucato> icheyne: Konqueror (if ever I do rip, which I rarely do)
[01:30] <Jucato> lenscape: ah. that would be KNode
[01:30] <lenscape> Jucato: I don't think so
[01:30] <icheyne> thanks guys - I'll check them out
[01:30] <Jucato> !cdripping
[01:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cdripping - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:30] <lenscape> Jucato: KNode is an NNTP client
[01:30] <Jucato> er.. rawr wrong factoid
[01:31] <Jucato> have you tried installing it first?
[01:31] <Jucato> that's the only News Ticker applet I saw on the panel
[01:31] <Jucato> er actually not that lol
[01:31] <Jucato> hold on
[01:32] <Jucato> !knewsticker | lenscape
[01:32] <ubotu> knewsticker: news ticker applet for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 457 kB, installed size 1228 kB
[01:32] <Jucato> that one?
[01:32] <lenscape> Jucato: that looks more like it...installing
[01:33] <lenscape> Jucato: Cheers. That's the little chap.
[01:33] <Jucato> have fun :)
[01:37] <BluesKaj> !storage media
[01:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about storage media - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:39] <nuxil> !storage
[01:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about storage - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:39] <nuxil> lol
[01:42] <BluesKaj> !media
[01:42] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[01:42] <BluesKaj> !hda
[01:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hda - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:42] <BluesKaj> !useless
[01:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about useless - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:42] <BluesKaj> :)
[01:44] <max_> what do i need to download to have mp3 support with k3b
[01:44] <BluesKaj> can anyone tell what how to use the autoclean/autoremove feature in apt ?
[01:44] <BluesKaj> tell me
[01:45] <Jucato> max_: burn MP3 to Audio CD?
[01:45] <max_> yes
[01:45] <Jucato> BluesKaj: I believe it's "sudo apt-get autoremove"
[01:46] <Jucato> !libk3b2-mp3 | max_
[01:46] <ubotu> libk3b2-mp3: The KDE cd burning application library - MP3 decoder. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.12.17-1ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 37 kB, installed size 100 kB
[01:46] <BluesKaj> !autoremove
[01:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about autoremove - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:46] <defrysk> BluesKaj, autoclean cleans the downloaded packages autoremove removes the unneeded installed packages
[01:46] <BluesKaj> !autoclean
[01:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about autoclean - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:47] <Jucato> BluesKaj: same with autoclean. sudo apt-get autoclean. there's an explanation for autoclean in man apt-get
[01:47] <defrysk> unneeded as in having no purpose
[01:57] <maarten> wee
[01:59] <maarten> btw, knetwork manager should be part of a default install, transferring deb's through usb disk is ... painful
[02:00] <maarten> knetworkmanager needs libnl, giving it that, then it wants networkmanager, giving it that, then that wants 2 more files, etc
[02:00] <DralaFi> welcome to dependancy hell ;)
[02:01] <maarten> well
[02:01] <maarten> as you can see it works now
[02:02] <e319> what is the main diff between kubuntui and say kfc6? what does kubuntu offer that other distros dont?
[02:02] <Hobbsee> Vladdy: it's going to be part of hte default install next release, seeing as it's a bit more stable.  and use apt-get to install it, and you wont have a problem (i think it's on the cd)
[02:02] <Vladdy> ah ok :-)
[02:03] <Vladdy> well.. I had to adjust boot scripts a little
[02:03] <DralaFi> e319,  kfc6? is that with chicken zinger meal and chips?
[02:03] <Hobbsee> Vladdy: it's still quite new, and doesnt work with a lot of cards.  those that it does, however...we find it great :D
[02:03] <defrysk> e319, main difference beteween fc6 and kubuntu is speed and ease of installing packages
[02:03] <Vladdy> yep hehehe
[02:03] <Vladdy> it is a charm
[02:03] <Hobbsee> DralaFi: k fedora core 6, i'd imagine
[02:03] <Vladdy> beats wpa_supplicant on my LinuxFromScratch install
[02:03] <Hobbsee> e319: it's debian based, not rpm based, releases every 6 months
[02:03] <Vladdy> I had to alter the initramfs though
[02:03] <defrysk> yum is a deadly slop updater
[02:03] <Hobbsee> Vladdy: *definetly*  - i used to have to run that too :(
[02:03] <defrysk> slow*
[02:04] <defrysk> fc6 is a very slow distro
[02:04] <Vladdy> it doesn't like loop-aes encrypted by default
[02:04] <Hobbsee> e319: it'll usually update clearly, as opposed to rpm distributions, too
[02:04] <Vladdy> so i had to add modified losetup, gpg, and a few gpg data keys to it :D
[02:04] <BluesKaj> I lost access to my windows parition hda1 ..how do i get it back ...I have media on it that I want to transfer into edgy ?
[02:04] <linux_> hi all, I use synaptic to install packages. I like it, but maby that someone has a bether program ????????
[02:04] <Vladdy> booting it off usb disk now
[02:05] <defrysk> linux_, try apt-get
[02:06] <linux_> I also use that :)
[02:07] <defrysk> linux_, you have adept synaptic apt-get and aptitude , thats about it
[02:07] <Vladdy> but I'm trying to use less console now :-)
[02:08] <linux_> oke, thanks :)
[02:08] <BluesKaj> Jucato: you there ?
[02:08] <e319> anyone know where i can get feisty fawn? edgy eft did not work with my newer mobo and satra controllers...
[02:09] <defrysk> e319, feisty is not even alpha yet
[02:09] <BluesKaj> !feisty fawn
[02:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about feisty fawn - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:09] <defrysk> e319, try #ubuntu+1
[02:10] <BluesKaj> !ubuntu feisty fawn
[02:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ubuntu feisty fawn - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:11] <rag> hello *
[02:12] <BluesKaj> defrysk: any idea how to get access to my hda1 partition ...I had access in "Storge media" and it put an icon on the desktop which i unknowingly trashed (thought it was just a shortcut :(
[02:12] <rag> any way for pass parameters to alternate cd install?
[02:12] <rag> forever, with a same cd , always pass same parameters
[02:12] <rag> ?
[02:12] <rag> how to?
[02:13] <rag> i want than i install with alternate cd i dont have to insert typical parameters of noapic, nolapic, for some installations...
[02:13] <defrysk> BluesKaj, open konqueror , press f9 and find your hda1 partition in the sidebar
[02:17] <BluesKaj> defrysk:  no access allowed ! : "mount: only root can mount /dev/disk/by-uuid/0E442D00442CEBE1 on /media/hda1"
[02:18] <defrysk> BluesKaj, pastebin your fstab
[02:19] <BluesKaj> fstab ?
[02:19] <defrysk> BluesKaj, try sudo mount -a and check again
[02:21] <BluesKaj> ok defrysk , it worked , thx :)
[02:21] <defrysk> ok
[02:21] <defrysk> realized coulnt be fstab
[02:22] <BluesKaj> whew,... I have lots of family pics and stuff i want to transfer cuz  I'm thinking of migrating to Edgy exclusively very soon
[02:22] <ryan__> I hate doing backups
[02:22] <skipjack> is there an command to see which applications use who much memory ?
[02:23] <defrysk> skipjack, top
[02:23] <defrysk> !backup > BluesKaj
[02:23] <skipjack> defrysk:  not an other app ?
[02:24] <defrysk> skipjack, top is the best one to use
[02:24] <defrysk> I think
[02:24] <defrysk> just key in top
[02:24] <Vladdy> i installed the flashplayer-mozilla plugin, but konqueror can't find it :-/
[02:24] <defrysk> skipjack, otherwise get one of the applets available for kde
[02:25] <defrysk> forgot the applet name :(
[02:25] <Vladdy> ah.. needs other stdc :S
[02:26] <defrysk> Vladdy, remove that one and install flashplugin-nonfree
[02:26] <BluesKaj> use mozilla , Vladdy
[02:26] <BluesKaj> :)
[02:26] <Vladdy> i use konqueror.. not into firefox ;p
[02:26] <defrysk> flashplugin-nonfree runs fine in konq
[02:26] <DralaFi> dammit. with <IP_ADDRESS>, HAL doesn't work :(
[02:26] <defrysk> Vladdy, just switch package :)
[02:26] <Vladdy> done now ;p
[02:27] <Vladdy> the other one worked, thanks
[02:28] <defrysk> !flash9 > Vladdy
[02:28] <Vladdy> cute, pipe redirection in irc
[02:28] <defrysk> Vladdy, cute indeed :D
[02:28] <Vladdy> !flash9 | tee __osh__ > defrysk
[02:28] <defrysk> lol
[02:29] <Vladdy> i guess not :D
[02:29] <defrysk> got the message here :)
[02:29] <Vladdy> yep, but it's probably not tee'd
[02:29] <defrysk> nope
[02:30] <Vladdy> i tried new flash player on my clfs system.. works a lot better then old one
[02:30] <defrysk> yes
[02:30] <defrysk> only sound gets into a loop sometimes
[02:30] <BluesKaj> Vladdy:  from my experience you might be better off using firefox , then create a plugin dir for flashplayer, ~.'mkdir
[02:31] <BluesKaj> ~./mkdir
[02:31] <Vladdy> well... konqueror integrates better with kde :-)
[02:31] <BluesKaj> kde is a desktop gui , not a browser
[02:32] <defrysk> !nl > Vladdy
[02:32] <BluesKaj> konqueror tries to be too many things at once IMHO
[02:32] <Vladdy> that is true, though
[02:33] <Vladdy> !flash9 > vladdy
[02:33] <BluesKaj> hehe, defrysk...I like yer balancing act :)
[02:33] <defrysk> :D
[02:52] <mindspin> Hi, I have trouble reading from a memory stick. It worked before, lsusb shows the stick and /var/log/messages says its already there
[02:52] <mindspin> But I can't read from it , neither "mount" it in any way
[02:54] <BluesKaj> you don't see it in "Storge devices"
[02:54] <BluesKaj> ?
[02:56] <xwolf-> !java
[02:56] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[02:56] <BluesKaj> mindspin: or "Storage Media" ?
[02:57] <mindspin> nope neither in Storage media nor on the desktop
[02:58] <mindspin> I was asked wether to opne the device some times but nothing happened
[02:59] <BluesKaj> have you checked sys/settings/advanced/disk & filesystems ?
[02:59] <mindspin> not yet
[02:59] <BluesKaj> make sure that the usb drive is listed
[03:00] <DaSkreech> Hi BluesKaj
[03:00] <DaSkreech> mornin nikkiana
[03:00] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Heya
[03:00] <Jucato> hi DaSkreech
[03:01] <BluesKaj> Hiya DaSkreech...what's up today ?
[03:01] <BluesKaj> Jucato!
[03:01] <Jucato> BluesKaj: yep?
[03:01] <mindspin> BluesKaj: its shown, but no mountpoint given
[03:02] <BluesKaj> disabled?
[03:03] <BluesKaj> if there's no device attached to the drive it won't show amount point , mindspin
[03:03] <mindspin> if you mean "greyed out", no, otherwise not set active
[03:03] <mindspin> BluesKaj: the stick is inserted,....
[03:04] <BluesKaj> ok , Jucato ? this is past me .. minspin has aprob
[03:04] <BluesKaj> mindspin has
[03:04] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: Lotsa report writing
[03:04] <Jucato> er... sorry, not good with mounting :(
[03:05] <BluesKaj> lucky you DaSkreech :)
[03:05] <mindspin> bad day, I need to read the stick, because izs our "transport" media due to a flash damage here in our house ....
[03:05] <DaSkreech> Hi tackat
[03:06] <mindspin> it happened after I did an system update....
[03:06] <mindspin> it worked this morning and yesterday.....
[03:06] <BluesKaj> mindspin: do you have more than one USB drive ?
[03:06] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: Now if i could just work up a OO.o macro to do it for me ....
[03:07] <BluesKaj> OO.o macro ?
[03:07] <mindspin> no but a usb mouse, it works on both slots
[03:09] <BluesKaj> maybe reversing them ...
[03:10] <DralaFi> ok so I'm being told that I need HAL-0.5.8, but 0.5.7 is in kubuntu repositories. What's the normal procedure for this? Compile from source?
[03:18] <mnoir> DralaFi: if you gotta get ahead of the repository, yes
[03:18] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: Essentailly a script :)
[03:18] <xwolf-> !flash
[03:18] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:19] <DralaFi> what's a backport in kubuntu/ubuntu context?
[03:20] <mnoir> !backport
[03:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about backport - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:20] <cox377> is there anyway to strip down kubuntu/ubuntu for an older machine?
[03:20] <Jucato> depends on which release. it will be <release>-backports (dapper-backports, edgy-backports)
[03:20] <cox377> say 500mhz?
[03:20] <defrysk> cox377, try xubuntu - alternative install
[03:20] <basquiat> what about using xubuntu? xfce is much leaner than kde/gnome.
[03:20] <Jucato> how much RAM? I think I heard it could be run on 700MHz and 256 RAM?
[03:21] <defrysk> cox377, you need 64 meg ram with xubuntu
[03:22] <cox377> defrysk: it's got 256mb ram
[03:22] <cox377> got ubuntu on it @ the moment, just wondering if its possible to strip it back a bit?
[03:24] <DaSkreech> DralaFi: packages which would possibly disrupt the distro if put in normal updates
[03:24] <DaSkreech> DralaFi: Generally a package that was introduced in the ubuntu+1 repos
[03:24] <hairk> Anyone knows how to configure Alt+Left and Alt-Right for forward and backward actions in Firefox in Kubuntu?
[03:25] <DralaFi> thanks DaSkreech
[03:26] <DaSkreech> Cool Fedora is going on a headlong collision course with Ubuntu :)
[03:26] <DralaFi> oh
[03:26] <DralaFi> but i already have backports :(
[03:27] <DaSkreech> :-)
[03:27] <DaSkreech> DralaFi: are you looking for something?
[03:27] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Do you know why amarok 1.4.4 isn't available for dapper?
[03:28] <DralaFi> need hal-0.5.8, kubuntu-dapper has 0.5.7
[03:28] <DaSkreech> well you could do a couple dumb things :)
[03:29] <DralaFi> DaSkreech, like what?
[03:30] <DaSkreech> Well Dist upgrading to edgy
[03:30] <DralaFi> yes, dumb :D
[03:30] <DaSkreech> or even crazier adding the edgy repos then installing hal and all the dependents then dropping back to dapper
[03:30] <DaSkreech> or finding the debs on packages.ubuntu.com and installing them
[03:31] <DaSkreech> Or you could do a fakeroot
[03:31] <DralaFi> fakeroot?
[03:32] <BluesKaj> tring to access my windows pc on the network ...the pc and it's files are listed nut i get amessage saying smbmnt must be installed  : "
[03:32] <BluesKaj> smbmnt must be installed suid root for direct user mounts (1000,1000)
[03:32] <BluesKaj> smbmnt failed: 1
[03:32] <gnomefreak> DaSkreech: no dont do that
[03:32] <gnomefreak> you dont want to change hals version
[03:32] <gnomefreak> ever
[03:33] <DaSkreech> That's why i said it was crazy
[03:33] <DaSkreech>  the best way is to jump to edgy
[03:33] <DralaFi> gnomefreak, why is it bad to change hal version?
[03:33] <gnomefreak> should be the only way
[03:33] <gnomefreak> DralaFi: it depends on libc6 and a few other things that you cant change
[03:34] <DaSkreech> That's your >H<ardware >A<bstratcion >L<ayer
[03:34] <DralaFi> so, as if libc will change
[03:34] <DralaFi> i might as well download stow
[03:34] <gnomefreak> DralaFi: you change libc6 to a newer version you system is trashed
[03:34] <DaSkreech> It's what makes your hardware work without you tearing out your hair
[03:34] <DralaFi> gnomefreak, but I won't change libc!
[03:34] <DaSkreech> DralaFi: remember the dependents?
[03:35] <DralaFi> stow + hal from freedesktop.org and gcc are my friends
[03:35] <gnomefreak> DralaFi: downloading and installing hal from edgy will need to install edgys libc6
[03:35] <DralaFi> gnomefreak, assuming I get pakcages
[03:35] <gnomefreak> edgys libc6 on dapper = non working system
[03:35] <gnomefreak> DralaFi: it was a comment to tonys "crazy way"
[03:40] <BluesKaj> DaSkreech:  I must be missing something i samba ...SMB connection failed!
[03:40] <BluesKaj> network printer is working ok
[03:40] <BluesKaj> so cups is working
[03:41] <DaSkreech> try /etc/init.d/smb status
[03:42] <BluesKaj> aha ..nosuch file or dir
[03:43] <DaSkreech> Did you install samba? :)
[03:43] <BluesKaj> yup
[03:43] <DaSkreech> Has Reiser been tried yet?
[03:44] <sparrw> DaSkreech: i remember when that question meant something completely different  :)
[03:44] <DaSkreech> sparrw: Ahh good days good times
[03:46] <BluesKaj> DaSkreech: "
[03:46] <BluesKaj> smbmnt must be installed suid root for direct user mounts (1000,1000)
[03:46] <BluesKaj> smbmnt failed: 1
[03:46] <DralaFi> hmm, so for each hal package on dapper, I could dpkg -L and get a list of files. Then copy them to a safe place, then remove the original file (or uninstall the package), then get hal sources and compile hal-0.5.8, then make sure that all the files match the ones from before.
[03:48] <DaSkreech> wb Jucato
[03:49] <Jucato> thanks
[03:51] <BluesKaj> so , how do i get this smbmnt to work in samba ?
[04:02] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: Where is the samba server?
[04:02] <DaSkreech> nikkiana_laptop: Hiya
[04:03] <BluesKaj> DaSkreech:  good question , dunno exactly
[04:03] <DaSkreech> That's interesting
[04:04] <BluesKaj> in the kicker , listed as SMB4K in Utilities
[04:06] <TheWheat> hey guys i've upgraded from dapper to edgy and now when I try ctrl+alt+f1 instead of showing the console the screen just shows some funny lines and stuff. anybody know whats up with that? it worked perfectly b4 the upgrade
[04:10] <abattoir> To those interested: Ubuntu Open Week has begun at #ubuntu-classroom | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek for more info
[04:10] <Jucato> Classes are ongoing, so please enter silently :)
[04:12] <DaSkreech> We are being taught about open week?
[04:13] <Jucato> please refer to the wiki page for more information
[04:14] <TheWheat>  /join #ubuntu-classroom
[04:15] <abattoir> Hobbsee: could you please add info on Open Week to the channel topic?
[04:15] <DralaFi> I wonder wha'ts in the classroom
[04:15] <rhkfin> Hi! Is there a way to show more than one irc windows at the same time on Konversation?
[04:15] <Jucato> please refer to the wiki page for more information (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek)
[04:16] <Hobbsee>  /topic Ubuntu Open Week, Nov 27 - Dec 2 - see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek
[04:18] <BluesKaj> !samba
[04:18] <ubotu> samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[04:33] <giometz> Hi all
[04:34] <giometz> is it possible to add an apple-like panel in top of the screen in kde?
[04:34] <DaSkreech> You mean a dock?
[04:34] <giometz> yes
[04:35] <DaSkreech> yes
[04:35] <Snikles> Como eu compilo o kernel?
[04:35] <Jucato> !es
[04:35] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[04:36] <Snikles> How do I compile the kernel?
[04:36] <giometz> I see that it is possible to add it right-clicking on the panel, but once I add it I don't know how to configure it or move it to the top (it adds it on the right)
[04:38] <lenscape> anyone know a good tool for exploring installed fonts?
[04:38] <lenscape> Trying to find a good mono font for Gvim
[04:38] <Jucato> lenscape: installed already? System Settings -> Appearance -> Font Installer?
[04:39] <lenscape> can't filter by font type
[04:44] <giometz> what's the difference between a dock and a panel?
[04:46] <jdiwnab> A dock is something mostly from Apple, as seen in OS X. It usually has large-ish icons that represent applications. It is animated, zooming, and provide context menus.
[04:47] <jdiwnab> A panel is more of what you would find in Windows, with application menus and other status notes. It usually has smaller icons and is less animated.
[04:49] <giometz> thanks
[04:50] <giometz> and can I tell to kde not to show the icons of mounted deviced on the desktop?
[04:50] <giometz> *devices sorry
[04:52] <jdiwnab> not a clue
[04:53] <Al> Lo ... Am I the only person for whom the latest KDE has broken loads of things?
[04:54] <Martijn81> giometz: K-menu> system settings> desktop> behaviour> device icons
[04:54] <giometz> thank you
[04:54] <Jucato> (or right-click desktop -> Configure Desktop -> behavior etc)
[04:55] <zzz_> Al, what has been broken for you?
[04:55] <Al> Well for a start, ctrl-alt F1-6 doesn't do anything
[04:56] <Al> Also the Windows keys don't work any more, although I fixed that manually
[04:56] <Al> The volume control doesn't exist in the system tray any more, and I can't stop my laptop going into power saving mode
[04:56] <zzz_> I am able to use Windows keys to control Amarok's playing.
[04:57] <zzz_> To re-enable the volume control in the system tray, just start Kmix from the K Menu -> Multimedia
[04:57] <Al> Could it be that the dist-upgrade method of moving to Edgy isn't ideal?
[04:57] <zzz_> Al, it is possible... I have installed from scratch.
[04:58] <Al> It was wise, therefore, to have a separate /home partition.
[04:58] <Al> So many little things no longer work... I may reinstall from CD
[04:59] <zzz_> Al, were you able to restore the volume control in the system tray?
[05:00] <Al> I managed it by accident: This PS/2 keyboard I have plugged in through a USB adapter translated Win+2 as "mute volume" for some reason, which loaded the volume control and then muted it.
[05:00] <Al> It should, however, have switched to desktop 2, but I'll put that down to hardware.
[05:02] <zzz_> Bye folks.
[05:03] <giometz> It seems to me that since kde presents "system settings" in the menu instead of the "old" control center it is not possible to edit panels (except for the main panel), am I right?
[05:04] <Jucato> giometz: bug in KDE 3.5.5, you have to restart kicker after you add a panel to be able to configure the other panel
[05:05] <Jucato> Alt+F2, "dcop kicker kicker restart" <--- restarts kicker (the panel)
[05:05] <giometz> uh thank, I just used kcontrol to do it, but I see that this bug as been discovered
[05:07] <Al> That's a thing ... the new systemsettings is rubbish :/
[05:07] <Al> I can't find anything any more :(
[05:08] <Al> oh, and how do I get the splash screen like it used to be, with the progress bar *and* the text?
[05:08] <Jucato> there's a search function. some modules can be reached through Konqueror
[05:08] <Jucato> that's not a splash screen, that's a bootsplash. don't know if there's currently a way to revert to the old Dapper bootsplash (USplash theme)
[05:11] <giometz> where do I have to put window decorations to make system settings able to see them?
[05:11] <Jucato> giometz: you have to install them
[05:11] <Jucato> like you would install programs/packages
[05:12] <jdiwnab> what is a good vnc package for 6.06?
[05:12] <giometz> do you mean using dpkg --i ?
[05:12] <Jucato> giometz: if it comes as a .deb package, yes. if in source code, you'd have to compile
[05:13] <giometz> it is a .emerald file, what is it?
[05:15] <Jucato> giometz: you need to have XGL/AIGLX and Beryl
[05:16] <BluesKaj> DaSkreech: solved my samba suid prob ..found this command in a google search : sudo chmod u+s `which smbmnt`
[05:16] <Frumpy> is there an un-install option to remove kubuntu from a hard disk
[05:16] <BluesKaj> yeah format
[05:16] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: ah right that would d it
[05:16] <giometz> so I have to run a xserver-xgl?
[05:16] <Jucato> :)
[05:22] <jdiwnab> Anyone know a good vnc package? I usually use UltraVNC, but couldn't find a linux binary
[05:25] <yaccin> after my last update, i cant start konsole or adept :(
[05:25] <petey> hello
[05:26] <petey> a good restart never hurts
[05:26] <yaccin> petey: doesnt work ^^
[05:26] <petey> darn
[05:26] <Frumpy> tightvnc
[05:26] <jdiwnab> I forgot about that one
[05:27] <jdiwnab> thanks Frumpy
[05:27] <petey> is there anyway to remove the updates
[05:29] <petey> press alt-f2 and put konsole in the text box
[05:30] <kervan> is gcc version 4.0.3 (Ubuntu 4.0.3-1ubuntu5) stable?
[05:31] <Rooster> Hello, I was wondering if anyone could recommend a good newsreader for me
[05:31] <petey> akregator is good
[05:31] <Rooster> Really? Will it let me read news from Usenet?
[05:32] <kervan> i think mozilla is too usable about rss
[05:32] <petey> if that usenet has a rss feed it will do great
[05:33] <Rooster> what if I doesn't.  I'm looking for something similar to Newsbin Pro for windows
[05:33] <petey> you could always check www.kde-apps.org
[05:33] <trappist> Rooster: I use pan.  it's not a kde app, but it's pretty great.
[05:33] <Lynoure> Rooster: tin is nice if you do not need it graphical
[05:33] <Rooster> Thanks, I'll give it a shot
[05:34] <yaccin> petey: i always do that, but it crashes instantly
[05:34] <yaccin> adept at least shows up for a few seconds
[05:37] <giometz> why is gnome the default wm in ubuntu?
[05:37] <mc__> giometz: good question
[05:37] <petey> giometz-->it is simple
[05:38] <giometz> :P really, why?
[05:38] <mc__> giometz: for KDE there is Kubuntu
[05:38] <mc__> Gnome uses less ressources
[05:38] <icheyne> giometz, don't forget xubuntu
[05:38] <Dasnipa`> and edubuntu
[05:38] <petey> I think they are about equal for resources
[05:39] <Jucato> giometz: because Mark Shuttleworth said so when he started Ubuntu
[05:39] <petey> so there
[05:39] <icheyne> I have not noticed major differences between them
[05:39] <giometz> yes but, there is not any gubuntu :P
[05:39] <icheyne> but xfce is faster
[05:39] <giometz> understood...
[05:39] <Dasnipa`> and now shuttleworth uses kubuntu now so :P
[05:39] <petey> windowmaker flies
[05:39] <jdiwnab> eew, xfce is so ugly. reminds me of our really bad solarus lab
[05:39] <BluesKaj> giometz: KDE is in kubuntu , that's what the "k" is all about :)
[05:40] <giometz> 'caus I saw that to update from dapper to edgy, the applet to upgrade was a gnome-like-applet :P
[05:40] <BluesKaj> you can still run gnome if ya want to
[05:40] <Jucato> there are instructions for updating from Dapper to Edgy on Kubuntu
[05:40] <Jucato> !upgrade
[05:40] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[05:40] <giometz> yes yes, I just didn't understand why not to call it gubuntu :P (gnome-ubuntu)
[05:41] <BluesKaj> gnome came first i think
[05:41] <jdiwnab> because ubuntu came first
[05:41] <giometz> uh I see..
[05:41] <giometz> thanks :)
[05:45] <Snikles> Sould I use an animated wallpaper?
[05:45] <Jucato> brainless: congratulations! feel proud! :)
[05:45] <Snikles> Can I use an animated wallpaper?
[05:46] <yaccin> Jucato: just type sudo apt-get dist-upgrade a few times (after replacing dapper with edgy in you sources.list
[05:46] <Vimmel> Anyone know how I can mount a windows share? sudo mount -t smbfs //server/path /media/path -o rw,username=username,password=password is not working
[05:46] <Jucato> yaccin: won't work without problems
[05:46] <yaccin> then a few updates and it should work
[05:46] <yaccin> :)
[05:46] <yaccin> did here
[05:46] <yaccin> ^^
[05:47] <FJ_Sanchez> Hi there
[05:47] <FJ_Sanchez> How can I make a text mode installation?
[05:47] <Snikles> Can I use an animated wallpaper?
[05:48] <Jucato> Snikles: not sure. you can try using an animated GIF
[05:48] <Jucato> FJ_Sanchez: you need the Alternate Install CD
[05:49] <Snikles> Jucato, I did try... not working :/
[05:49] <Jucato> maybe it's not possible, then. not really sure
[05:49] <sebas__> Hi, anybody knows if edgy server version comes with a firewall? i can't access mysql from another machine (and it's not a user permission issue... )
[05:50] <DaSkreech> giometz: Gubuntu?
[05:50] <Snikles> Jucato, maybe it works with some program :]
[05:51] <Jucato>                                                                                maybe
[05:51] <DaSkreech> Snikles: Animated?
[05:51] <Snikles> DaSkreech, yeah!
[05:51] <Snikles> DaSkreech, Do you know how?
[05:51] <DaSkreech> Like E?
[05:52] <Snikles> DaSkreech, like E17 yes
[05:52] <DaSkreech> Not till KDE4
[05:53] <Jucato> Snikles: you can check in kde-apps.org. there might be some apps that do those already
[05:54] <Snikles> Jucato, ok thanks! :]
[05:54] <BluesKaj> is KDE4 in development , and is it beta yet ?
[05:55] <mc__> BluesKaj: its alpha
[05:55] <BluesKaj> not open to testing then
[05:55] <Jucato> nope
[05:55] <Jucato> not even for alpha testing unless you're a dev
[05:56] <cloakable> Smaller memory footpring ftw :)
[05:56] <xiaoxiao> but  i using Gnome now ...
[05:56] <BluesKaj> I'm a masochist it seems ...when get everything working ok , i do something to break kubuntu ... must be  :)bored
[05:57] <FJ_Sanchez> Cannot install in text mode with normal LiveCD??
[05:57] <cloakable> I'm using KDE :) And will install XFCE4 on my new laptop :)
[05:58] <xiaoxiao> XFCE is a perfect desktop
[05:58] <BluesKaj> FJ_Sanchez:  apparently not
[05:58] <peanutb> rxvt*modifier: alt
[05:59] <Snikles> DaSkreech, read this -=> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=33584
[05:59] <Snikles> DaSkreech, I must install KDE4?
[06:00] <Jucato> Snikles: it's a "brainstorm", meaning, just suggestions and mock-ups
[06:01] <DaSkreech> Snikles: The best authority on this is probably #kde
[06:01] <Snikles> DaSkreech, ok thanks
[06:12] <BetaCookies> Hey
[06:12] <Hawkwind> Hmmm, cookies in beta format.  Scary thought
[06:13] <BetaCookies> I have an IDE disk and a SATA disk. grub defaults to install to the IDE disk (hd0), how do I make it install to the SATA disk?
[06:13] <BetaCookies> I know how to change it, I just don't know what to change it to.
[06:14] <LinuxCookies> heh
[06:14] <LinuxCookies> Better, Hawkwind?
[06:15] <LinuxCookies> brb, killing someone
[06:15] <SHRIKEE> :o
[06:15] <LinuxCookies> meh not like that
[06:16] <LinuxCookies> mwahaha
[06:16] <rock-xoft> hola
[06:16] <rock-xoft> :D
[06:17] <cloakable> :)
[06:17] <LinuxCookies> what was that?
[06:17] <SHRIKEE> im wondering how i can turn off the x screen saver.
[06:18] <SHRIKEE> *powersave, actually
[06:18] <LinuxCookies> Hawkwind: cool ops :P
[06:19] <SHRIKEE> anyone?
[06:20] <LinuxCookies> SHRIKEE: sorry, screen scroll, what was it you needed help with?
[06:20] <SHRIKEE> well, i cant turn off the powersave option for my monitor
[06:20] <SHRIKEE> its like it doesnt get saved or something, whenever i restart the pc the option is turned on again
[06:20] <LinuxCookies> What do you mean by powersave?
[06:20] <SHRIKEE> the turn-the-screen-of-after-45-minutes option
[06:21] <LinuxCookies> hmm
[06:21] <zorglu_> SHRIKEE: yes you can
[06:21] <zorglu_> SHRIKEE: dont remember the exact menu path tho
[06:21] <SHRIKEE> sure i can
[06:21] <SHRIKEE> but its not saved
[06:21] <SHRIKEE> its in system settings > monitor & display > powersave
[06:21] <sebo> #ubuntu-tr
[06:22] <LinuxCookies> ugh how I want a mac :[
[06:22] <SHRIKEE> haha
[06:22] <SHRIKEE> you too? :P
[06:22] <LinuxCookies> be right back
[06:23] <SHRIKEE> ...
[06:23] <SHRIKEE> so no one knows :(?
[06:24] <Hawkwind> SHRIKEE: Might try making longer sentences.  Your 1 - 3 words per line is slightly annoying and forces stuff off the screen too quickly for many users to see
[06:24] <SHRIKEE> ...
[06:25] <Lynoure> SHRIKEE: knows exactly what? "..." and "you too?" do not make a question one could really answer with anything else than "huh?"
[06:26] <SHRIKEE> and if you had followed the conversation you would have know that it wasnt related to my problem
[06:26] <SHRIKEE> hows that for a long line ;)
[06:26] <LinuxCookies> Come on now, don't turn this into an IRC war. They never turn out good :[
[06:26] <Hawkwind> SHRIKEE: Now if you can please do it all the time.  You've been guilty of scrolling(hit the enter key too quickly) for a few weeks now and that's why most users won't help you unfortunately
[06:27] <omgponiezlol> does anyone ktorrent keeps crashing when I try to run it. kcmshell ktorrent tells me "/usr/share/kde/ktorrent.desktop" does not specify a library
[06:27] <omgponiezlol> i'm using katapult to try to launch it
[06:27] <Hawkwind> omgponiezlol: Dapper or Edgy ?
[06:27] <omgponiezlol> Hawkwind: Dapper
[06:27] <Hawkwind> Admiral_Chicago: What version are you using ?  Ktorrent has worked fine for me for months now
[06:27] <Admiral_Chicago> i might ask mez on katapult, maybe it's just a katapult error
[06:28] <Hawkwind> Admiral_Chicago: I'm using 2.1dev version with KDE 3.5.3
[06:28] <Dheeraj_k> !esben
[06:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about esben - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:28] <Hawkwind> Admiral_Chicago: Try running it from a terminal instead
[06:28] <Admiral_Chicago> K tor 1.2 KDE 3.5.2
[06:28] <Hawkwind> Admiral_Chicago: Ah, that's super old.  I'd try a much newer version
[06:28] <Admiral_Chicago> Hawkwind: okay i will, it crashed from konsole
[06:30] <DaSkreech> Hawkwind: What was that?
[06:30] <Admiral_Chicago> Hawkwind: i'll update to 3.5.5 and try again
[06:30] <Hawkwind> DaSkreech: ??
[06:30] <Hawkwind> Admiral_Chicago: I wouldn't go that far.  I know 3.5.4 had issues so I stuck with 3.5.3
[06:30] <DaSkreech> Hawkwind: [CTCP]  Received unknown CTCP-+++ATH0 request from cloakable to Channel #kubuntu
[06:32] <Hawkwind> DaSkreech: Just what it looks like, a channel CTCP
[06:33] <DaSkreech> ok
[06:33] <Hawkwind> DaSkreech: He did it in a couple of other channels
[06:33] <DaSkreech> Heh
[06:34] <Admiral_Chicago> Hawkwind: too late thanks for the help
[06:47] <MidMark> someone has packages for Edgy for digikam 0.9rc1?
[06:49] <Hawkwind> !info digikam
[06:49] <ubotu> digikam: digital photo management application for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 1:0.8.2-2ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 3501 kB, installed size 8832 kB
[06:49] <Jucato> version 0.8
[07:05] <MidMark> I was asking for 0.9rc1 not 0.8.2 that I just had
[07:06] <Hawkwind> MidMark: I realize that.  I did that to see what version is in Edgy
[07:06] <Hawkwind> MidMark: Search google for:  digikam deb
[07:08] <ByronFortescue> Dolphin rocks! love the simple ui
[07:09] <ByronFortescue> good for people who get scared by konq :P
[07:10] <ByronFortescue> hawkwind ^_^
[07:10] <ByronFortescue> they rock
[07:11] <Hawkwind> Doesn't come from the band though :)
[07:11] <ByronFortescue> saw them couple of weeks ago near Amsterdam
[07:11] <ByronFortescue> ahw too  bad ^_^
[07:11] <Hawkwind> ByronFortescue: It comes from the RPG game series Ultima.  The character first appeared in Ultima IV: Quest Of The Avatar
[07:12] <ByronFortescue> rofl
[07:12] <ByronFortescue> ^_^
[07:15] <ermak> is it possible to configure mouse in Kaffeine?
[07:32] <aMohammed> hey guys ! I dual boot Ubuntu & Windows xp ... before installing ubuntu (as windows was my native system) I took a MBR backup in case of uninstalling ubuntu  through this command
[07:32] <aMohammed> sudo dd if=/dev/hda of=/home/ubuntu/OLDMBR.img bs=446 count=1
[07:33] <aMohammed> now I'm planning to remove ubuntu and use kubuntu
[07:33] <BetaCookies> Be right back :-) Computer is being restarted.
[07:33] <aMohammed> will it be safe to use the restore dd command with my old MBR backup ?
[07:36] <feldegast> aMohammed: why not just install kde under ubuntu then remove gnome?
[07:36] <aMohammed> I just wanna work with a kde configured distro
[07:37] <feldegast> if u install kde and remove gnome u will
[07:37] <Jucato> aMohammed: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/kde and http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde
[07:38] <eean> feldegast: what about like the kde intergration of openoffice?
[07:38] <eean> I'm guessing you'd need to do something else to get all that
[07:38] <eean> perhaps in those urls Jucato gave :)
[07:38] <Jucato> !openoffice.org-kde | eean
[07:38] <ubotu> openoffice.org-kde: KDE Integration for OpenOffice.org (Widgets, Dialogs, Addressbook). In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.4-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 211 kB, installed size 684 kB
[07:38] <aMohammed> ok
[07:41] <murchadh> join ~amarok
[07:42] <alan_> hola
[07:42] <alan_> ALGUIEN QUE HABLE ESPAOL?
[07:42] <tsdgeos> !es
[07:42] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[07:43] <tsdgeos> alan_: y no uses las mayusculas, es de mala educacion
[07:43] <alan_> Thanks
[07:43] <alan_> Sorry...
[07:43] <BluesKaj> ok, I'm running in xfce4 , but now i have no kde ! ...no options on the login page
[07:45] <trappist> BluesKaj: the kdm login page?
[07:45] <BluesKaj> something wrong with the xserver in edgy
[07:45] <BluesKaj> yeah
[07:45] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: try Alt+T
[07:46] <Dheeraj_k_> .1
[07:47] <BluesKaj> in the term ?
[07:47] <BetaCookies> how do i install the MS fonts? whats the package name?
[07:48] <BluesKaj> and it's running in root in the terminal ...what gives ?
[07:48] <trappist> BetaCookies: msttcorefonts
[07:48] <BetaCookies> trappist: is not available..
[07:49] <trappist> !msttcorefonts
[07:49] <ubotu> msttcorefonts: Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.2ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 22 kB, installed size 164 kB
[07:49] <trappist> BetaCookies: have to enable multiverse
[07:50] <BetaCookies> I did
[07:50] <BetaCookies> E: Package msttcorefonts has no installation candidate
[07:50] <trappist> BetaCookies: then you apparently don't have multiverse enabled
[07:51] <BetaCookies> ooh
[07:51] <BetaCookies> i forgot to apt-get update :P
[07:51] <trappist> yeah, gotta do that
[07:52] <gast> ich kapier gar nix
[07:54] <BluesKaj> !de
[07:54] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[07:55] <Azzco> Hi I'm trying to downgrade a program How do I do that with adept?
[08:03] <crusty> iv just downloaded amsn 0.96 as update of the version 0.95...how i'm suppose to do the update?
[08:03] <crusty> im new on linux
[08:04] <trappist> crusty: did you download a .deb?
[08:04] <crusty> i dont know......
[08:04] <crusty> it just come up on the screen the new update ...and i did
[08:05] <trappist> crusty: you need to know what kind of file you have, to know how to install it
[08:05] <crusty> the file in now on my desctop
[08:05] <trappist> what's its name
[08:06] <crusty> ok! i have kupunto dapper....yes
[08:06] <crusty> i did install the old version with automatix
[08:07] <apallo> does k3b support usb burners?
[08:07] <apallo> coz i keep getting bad burns
[08:07] <crusty> the file name is........amsn-0.96-tcl 84.86.pakage
[08:09] <trappist> crusty: never heard of such a thing.  makes me think amsn has a way to install that thing itself, to update itself.
[08:09] <trappist> apallo: there are some open bugs about that, but it's supposed to, yes
[08:10] <kingrayray> hi everybody, i just installed kubuntu-desktop, and it inherited all my gnome menus, is there a simple way to get kde to regenerate the menu to defaults?
[08:11] <crusty> thats what i thought as well!!!
[08:11] <crusty> it should have been automatic.....and automatix is what it say in tha file once i open it.
[08:12] <crusty> but baybe i dont understand noting
[08:12] <LjL> kingrayray: there are no defaults. KDE and Gnome use a common source for their menus - if you have apps (whether Gnome or KDE based) installed, they'll show up in the menu.
[08:13] <kingrayray> well, yeah i get that- but it seems i have almost zero kde apps in said menu, and almost 100% gnome ones
[08:13] <LjL> kingrayray: you can remove the unwanted entries manually from the menu editors of KDE and Gnome
[08:13] <kingrayray> okay, what's the editor called?
[08:13] <LjL> kingrayray: well that should not be
[08:13] <LjL> doesn't matter what it's called, you'll find it by right clicking on the menu icon (in both Gnome and KDE i think)
[08:14] <kingrayray> oh neat
[08:14] <kingrayray> :P
[08:14] <crusty> trappist...can i send you the file   ???? are you interest ???
[08:15] <BetaCookies> what is the fastest linux  browser?
[08:19] <DaSkreech> BetaCookies: Perhaps epiphany
[08:26] <DaSkreech> wb nikkiana
[08:27] <linx-> with the live cd (dapper), is it possible to allocate a certain amount of hard disk space to be used to store personal settings? (like can be done with knoppix)
[08:29] <DaSkreech> linx-: No as far as I know
[08:29] <snowice> is it possible to automatically log chats with kopete?
[08:29] <DaSkreech> snowice: turn on the history plugin
[08:29] <snowice> DaSkreech, thanks, I'll give that a try
[08:30] <DaSkreech> sure
[08:30] <candtalan> hello folks
[08:31] <DaSkreech> hi
[08:32] <linx-> other question.. can linux boot from a hard disk which is slave to ide2, without linux boot settings written on hda1?
[08:32] <Kr4t05> Arg...
[08:33] <Kr4t05> Why aren't there Edgy CDs on the torrent tracker. Just DVDs
[08:33] <jhonn> how I can install mysql-server in kubuntu 06.10?
[08:33] <DaSkreech> linx-: Umm i guess if you wanna keep swapping the boot order for the drives back and forth in BIOS
[08:33] <DaSkreech> Kr4t05: They are there
[08:36] <Fragrag> Stupid question, but I'm planning to install kubuntu on my computer. I already have XP installed. When I partition my harddrive, will my harddrive also be formatted?
[08:36] <phillijw> use partition magic
[08:37] <Fragrag> Will that partition my HD and leave my files intact?
[08:37] <Kr4t05> Fragrag: The installer will allow you to resize your Windows partition.
[08:37] <chimaera> the kubuntu setup allows to resize partitions.
[08:37] <Fragrag> And it will leave my XP alone, right?
[08:37] <chimaera> most likeley, yes.
[08:37] <Fragrag> Because I totally don't want to lose it
[08:38] <linx-> probably best make a backup (ghost image) of the xp partition first
[08:38] <kingrayray> guys, i just installed kubuntu-desktop as i said earlier, and my fonts are *HUGE*, size 9 is larger than size 12 was on gnome..
[08:38] <linx-> if at all possible..
[08:38] <kingrayray> i assume it's a dpi issue but i dont know how to fix it?
[08:38] <chimaera> well, backup is always recommendent before such actions.
[08:38] <chimaera> but i actually never ran into any problems if using care.
[08:38] <DaSkreech> linx-: you can dd it from the linux live CD :)
[08:39] <Fragrag> dd?
[08:39] <linx-> DaSkreech: dont know too much about dd..
[08:39] <DaSkreech> linx-: but much more likely you should just burn the data files to cd or DVD
[08:39] <Fragrag> dd??
[08:39] <DaSkreech> linx-: it's ok you shouldn't at this point in time
[08:39] <chimaera> kingrayray: do you have an ATI-card?
[08:39] <DaSkreech> !info dd
[08:39] <ubotu> Package dd does not exist in any distro I know
[08:39] <kingrayray> chimaera: no, nvidia
[08:40] <chimaera> kingrayray: i once had this problem, turns out i needed resolution set within xorg.conf for proper DPI-calculation ofy my screen.
[08:40] <N00buntu-> hello
[08:40] <kingrayray> that's what i have done
[08:41] <tamacracker> Has anyone noticed firefox slowing down?
[08:41] <kingrayray> but it didn't seem to work, i'm looking into it right now
[08:41] <chimaera> kingrayray: tried to pass screen size (in mm)?
[08:41] <Fragrag> Alright, at the moment I don't have any access to any backup devices... :S CD Burner is bust and my sis has my USB stick
[08:43] <julius> hey ho
[08:43] <XVampireX> Hey, anyone here using Sound Blaster 512?
[08:43] <tamacracker> Does anyone know why Firefox is slower all of a sudden on loading pages? Or this more of a personal thing... as in only my firefox is sucking at this moment?
[08:43] <snowice> history plugin is enabled in kopete, but where do I enable logging of chats, can't seem to find it ...
[08:43] <Fragrag> tama: what's the memory usage of FF?
[08:44] <tamacracker> how would i go about lookin at that?
[08:44] <Fragrag> Sorry, wait, totally not experienced in kubuntu so I don't know how :p
[08:44] <chimaera> tamacracker: migt want to try to disable ip6
[08:44] <tamacracker> how would I do that? >.>
[08:44] <Alzi2> Once Kubuntu/KDE are both configured to your tastes.. it just plain rocks :D
[08:44] <chimaera> tamacracker: call about:config
[08:45] <tamacracker> into terminal/
[08:45] <chimaera> tamacracker: no, within FF, URL
[08:45] <tamacracker> call about:config  <- command not found
[08:45] <tamacracker> oh ok
[08:46] <tamacracker> uh..
[08:46] <tamacracker> it went straight to google.
[08:46] <Fragrag> What does this mean?
[08:46] <Fragrag> "Please unmount all partitions"
[08:47] <Fragrag> I don't have any other partitions, should I do anything?
[08:47] <chimaera> without call. just "about:config" (w/o "")
[08:47] <tamacracker> oh ok
[08:47] <chimaera> then set "network.dns.disableipv6" to ture
[08:47] <tamacracker> ok
[08:47] <tamacracker> hold on
[08:48] <DaSkreech> tamacracker: how much memory is it using up?
[08:48] <tamacracker> DaSkreech i dunno...
[08:49] <DaSkreech> tamacracker: Press Ctrl+Esc
[08:49] <DaSkreech> Fragrag: What are you doing?
[08:49] <Fragrag> Partitioning my harddrive so it can dualboot kubuntu and XP
[08:49] <Fragrag> With the installer
[08:50] <tamacracker> hm... for some reason I can't find firefox.
[08:50] <tamacracker> on the process table.
[08:50] <DaSkreech> Fragrag: ok did you mount your hard drive so you coudl see your files?
[08:50] <Fragrag> What do you mean?
[08:50] <Fragrag> If I boot XP I can see my files, yes
[08:50] <tamacracker> oh i see it.  Thanks alot
[08:55] <chimaera> feeling good. not having used linux in a year, being back, helping people. ;)
[08:59] <DaSkreech> hi chimaera
[08:59] <DaSkreech> Weren't you in MI:II ?
[08:59] <chimaera> hi. hehe, i don't think so. never actually saw that movie.
[09:00] <DaSkreech> chimaera: Well nice to have you back. Why the vacation?
[09:01] <chimaera> got hooked to some mmorpg ^^
[09:01] <snowice> is it already possible to use webcam with kopete? all I get is black picture for myself and one still picture that doesn't get updated for my contact. Webcam is supported though.
[09:02] <Fragrag> my new partition should be nameless, right?
[09:03] <chimaera> Fragrag:  doesn't matter. important is the mount-point
[09:03] <Fragrag> which should be the new one, right? or not?
[09:04] <chimaera> Fragrag: well, you resize the existing and then create an least two partitions, one for kubuntu itself, which mounts to / and one swap partition.
[09:06] <candtalan> hello all
[09:06] <chimaera> hi
[09:06] <Fragrag> alright, thanks
[09:08] <Fragrag> what's the difference between primary and extended partition?
[09:08] <candtalan> I am just trying to configure a HP all in one G95 printer (usb) with kubuntu 6.06 - having problems
[09:10] <candtalan> primary partitons  - maximum of 4 only
[09:11] <drarem> i found a bug in the intarweb and sloppy mysql programming =)
[09:11] <drarem> google this:
[09:11] <drarem> Unable to jump to row 0 on MySQL result index 3
[09:11] <candtalan> logical partitons may be housed via an (extended?) one, an dther can be many of the logical partitons. Functionally the same
[09:12] <Fragrag> alright, thanks
[09:12] <Fragrag> this is actually the best support I've had with computer stuff
[09:15] <candtalan> partitons: example - 3 primary and one (primary) extended, containing 5 logical partitions maybe
[09:19] <DaSkreech> chimaera: Realized ti worked under Linux ? :)
[09:19] <DaSkreech> Fragrag: Also you can only boot from a Primamry partition
[09:19] <chimaera> DaSkreech: hehe, i know it works with wine/cedega, just culdn't get the performance ;)
[09:20] <DaSkreech> !wow
[09:20] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php and ubuntugames.org
[09:20] <DaSkreech> ;-)
[09:20] <chimaera> DaSkreech: bingo..
[09:20] <Fragrag> Hey chimaera, which MMORPG were you hooked on?
[09:20] <DaSkreech> Yeah I'm trying to give it up by finding a much less fun MMORPG on linux
[09:20] <chimaera> daskreech jut wrote it ;)
[09:20] <DaSkreech>  So far I'm running with TMW
[09:21] <chimaera> what'S that?
[09:21] <kubuntu> Algum do Brasil aqui?
[09:21] <Fragrag> right, installation finished, THANKS ALOT FOR YOUR HELP
[09:21] <DaSkreech> http://www.themanaworld.org
[09:21] <DaSkreech> Fragrag: y'all come back you hear?
[09:21] <Fragrag> I would have broke down and weep in the corner in fetal position without you :p
[09:22] <Fragrag> I will
[09:22] <chimaera> well, i have a t2 equipped hunter, lots of hours spend. hard to let her go  :(
[09:22] <Fragrag> Oh, you played WoW
[09:22] <chimaera> Fragrag: you're welcome
[09:22] <chimaera> jepp
[09:22] <zied> #tunisie
[09:22] <DaSkreech> Blizard's legal right to print thier own money]
[09:22] <Fragrag> well, I'm restarting now
[09:22] <arpf> hi
[09:22] <chimaera> just don't. do yourself a favour.
[09:23] <arpf> please can u tell me how can i join a channel
[09:23] <chimaera> type /j #<channel>
[09:23] <arpf> thankx
[09:24] <thomas_> hello
[09:24] <candtalan> hi
[09:25] <thomas_> (i am french) i would know if the USB speakers working well on uvuntu
[09:25] <candtalan> bonjour thomas (sorry that is all I know in French)
[09:26] <chimaera> thomas_: no idea, you might want to search the web. if it worls with any distribution, it'll work with kubuntu
[09:26] <thomas_> bonjour :p
[09:26] <thomas_> okay
[09:26] <thomas_> thanks
[09:27] <thomas_> and, i would know if there is problem with laptop Fuijistu M3438
[09:27] <superlion> how can I change the startup programs on graphic mode?
[09:29] <trappist> superlion: I use bum
[09:29] <thomas_> superlion => system =>preferences => sessions  tab starting programmes
[09:29] <thomas_> (i am french huhuhu)
[09:29] <superlion> thomas_: thanks
[09:29] <DaSkreech> !fr | thomas_
[09:30] <ubotu> thomas_: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[09:30] <chimaera> thomas_: such hardware specific questions are a bit different if noones here actually using the hardware. try the ubuntu-forums, also there are websites specialized in linux on laptops, with databases of what's supported and what not.
[09:31] <chimaera> s/different/difficult/
[09:31] <thomas_> ubuto => i find you are more active
[09:31] <thomas_> or good
[09:31] <candtalan> bye all
[09:31] <trappist> thomas_: ubotu is a bot
[09:32] <thomas_> lol
[09:33] <Raven301_> I was wondering what this does .. apt-index-watch ???
[09:37] <fdoving> Raven301_: keeps track of package index updates. and it also rebuilds the libapt-front (adept) indexes if some other program fetched new indexes (apt-get or aptitude, etc).
[09:41] <kervan> Hello i have a problem while shutdown i take this message "periodic command sheduler    [fail] " What is this problem?
[09:41] <fdoving> cron fails to shutdown.
[09:41] <fdoving> somehow.
[09:41] <fdoving> without more information it's hard to tell what's wrong.
[09:41] <Raven301_> fdoving: thanks
[09:42] <peertschik> Hi! I want to install kubuntu over an outdated mandrake, which has another OS as a secondary choice (via Lilo). Do I have to observe any special precautions so as not to kill my other install, it's boot, old data etc. ?
[09:42] <DaSkreech> peertschik: go again You want to replace the os but no data?
[09:42] <soulrider> does anyone know of a program i can use to connect my nokia phone to my PC ?
[09:43] <soulrider> it uses a cable, not bluetooth
[09:43] <peertschik> yes, there is some data I want to keep.
[09:43] <chimaera> i'm off, bye
[09:43] <kgx> hi. anyone knows i can do: `ssh -t abc.hello.com ssh -t xyz.hello.com` in fish?
[09:43] <kgx> *how i can do
[09:44] <mika__> bonjour y a des francais ici
[09:44] <Jucato> !fr
[09:44] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[09:44] <mika__> je souhaiterai avoir un peu diade
[09:46] <DaSkreech> peertschik: do you have a /home partition?
[09:46] <Hawkwind> eliadosom: English only please
[09:46] <peertschik> yes. but I want to merge the date with the / partition because the space division is bad.
[09:46] <eliadosom> sorry
[09:47] <peertschik> but mostly I'm concerned about that boot thing. I suppose I can park my data on some other HD for the install.
[09:47] <DaSkreech> peertschik: Maybe you should backup your data and then take this time to do your hard drive partitions well
[09:48] <baro> porca mutandina
[09:49] <baro> ciao
[09:49] <baro> rispondete
[09:50] <baro> kill al
[09:50] <superlion> still couldn't fix startup applications... where to select them?
[09:52] <caine> i have a sound issue my drivers doesnt work anyone help me about this problem
[09:52] <DaSkreech> !sound
[09:52] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[09:53] <superlion> I have an HP nc6120 and the headphone jack doesn't work -> music keeps on playing from speakers
[09:54] <Kim^J> Is there a french-learning tool in Kubuntu?
[09:54] <caine> DaSkreech: thnx im checking
[09:54] <Kim^J> superlion: Happens to me too sometimes.
[09:54] <DaSkreech> Kim^J: Yeah it's real easy
[09:54] <DaSkreech>  in konversation type /j #kubuntu-fr
[09:55] <Kim^J> DaSkreech: Hehe... No. Not the IRC channel. I wanna learn some more french.
[09:55] <Kim^J> I think there's a Japanese learning tool and wondered if there was one for french too.
[09:56] <trappist> klettres helps with the french alphabet, but that's all I see
[09:56] <baro> hi
[09:56] <baro> i'm new
[09:56] <DaSkreech> I would think that Japanese and Chinese would be a lot more likey than French and japanese
[09:57] <baro> italian are the best
[09:57] <baro> io dicola mia
[09:58] <DaSkreech> !it
[09:58] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[09:58] <DaSkreech> baro: welcome
[09:58] <baro> hi
[09:58] <baro> thank
[09:58] <ubuntu> elllo ello somebody from poland?
[09:58] <mleczkins> elllo ello somebody from poland?
[09:58] <mleczkins> elllo ello somebody from poland?
[09:59] <baro> it'sthe firt time for me in IRC
[09:59] <baro> i'm italian
[09:59] <trappist> !po
[09:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about po - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:59] <trappist> err
[09:59] <trappist> !pl
[09:59] <ubotu> Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[10:00] <baro> english please
[10:00] <b0ng0> Hi my friend has tried to install kubuntu recently but when he puts in the live cd it gets to the splash screen and doesn't load kubuntu and green lines appear. can anyone help
[10:00] <DaSkreech> baro: How are you?
[10:00] <trappist> baro: was telling mleczkins about the polish channel.
[10:00] <DaSkreech> b0ng0: try safe graphcs mode
[10:00] <baro> what?
[10:01] <trappist> Kim^J: also check out verbiste
[10:02] <trappist> Kim^J: and latrine
[10:11] <kgx> anyone know how i can do: `ssh -t abc.hello.com ssh -t xyz.hello.com` in fish?
[10:15] <DaSkreech> kgx: eh?
[10:15] <DaSkreech> peertschik: How are you doing?
[10:18] <Ayabara> what config file do I edit to make kpowersave run at system start?
[10:20] <trappist> Ayabara: you could make a .desktop file for it and put it in ~/.kde/Autostart
[10:20] <kgx> well, i need to ssh into xyz.hello.com from abc.hello.com. how can i see files in xyz.hello.com directly from fish? i'm unable to go into xyz.hello.com directly (need to go through abc.hello.com)
[10:21] <kgx> DaSkreech: well, i need to ssh into xyz.hello.com from abc.hello.com. how can i see files in xyz.hello.com directly from fish? i'm unable to go into xyz.hello.com directly (need to go through abc.hello.com)
[10:21] <steveire> Hey, I'm trying to run a script whenever I connect to the internet. I have a test script in /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/ but it doesn't seem to be run when I connect.
[10:22] <Gh0st75> hi, anyone know the terminal command to use when apt can't be run because it's already in use?
[10:22] <Ayabara> trappist, a .desktop file? I have some googling to do :-). In Ubuntu one can do it in system->preferences->sessions->startup programs. Nothing as simple as that exists for Kubuntu?
[10:22] <Jucato> !adept crash fix | Gh0st75
[10:22] <ubotu> Gh0st75: If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[10:23] <Gh0st75> thanks
[10:23] <peertschik> DaSkreech: Well, I startet to back up my data via LAN.
[10:23] <superlion> still havent found the startup programs list
[10:23] <superlion> anyone care to tell
[10:23] <trappist> Ayabara: actually yes, something like that does exist for kubuntu.  fire up kcontrol and see if you can find it
[10:23] <peertschik> DaSkreech: and I wonder if I need to use the alternate install CD or the normal one.
[10:25] <VSpike> Can anyone give me a clue how to start troubleshooting a printer problem?  I have a Canon i865, connected via USB.  Using CUPS, with a driver which is recommended to give partial functionality...
[10:25] <Gh0st75> k, that worked, much obliged. another question, i am trying to install subjava5 in adept but it gets to a confirmation window and it won't let me proceed
[10:25] <VSpike> I know the USB works, because it appears in the devices in my VMWare and works in the hosted Windows XP...
[10:25] <trappist> Gh0st75: you have to hit tab
[10:25] <Gh0st75> there's no Y or N option, and nothing clickable, just the letters OK which can't be clicked
[10:25] <trappist> Gh0st75: to select the ok button
[10:25] <Jucato> Gh0st75: sudo apt-get install sun-java5-bin
[10:25] <Gh0st75> tried tab, no luck
[10:25] <VSpike> But if I print from Linux, the job spools but just sits there with status "Processing..."
[10:26] <trappist> Gh0st75: tab to the button, then enter to 'click' it
[10:26] <Gh0st75> there is no button, just the letters OK
[10:26] <Jucato> trappist: doesn't work in Adept
[10:26] <trappist> Jucato: oh, adept :)
[10:26] <Gh0st75> tab doesn't move to select the letters either
[10:26] <trappist> Gh0st75: yeah apt-get is what you want for that
[10:26] <Gh0st75> k, will try that
[10:27] <Ayabara> trappist, will do. I'm in ubuntu waiting for a download to complete so I can start my newly installed kubuntu-desktop. just thought I'd do som research while waiting. thanks for helping :-)
[10:28] <VSpike> If I go to System Settings -> Printers, and right-click the printer and select "IPP Report", it shows "Printer State 0x3", "Printer State Reasons connecting-to-device", and "printer-state-message Printer not connected; will retry in 30 seconds..."
[10:32] <Gh0st75> how do i terminate dkpg? i can't run automatix while it's in use. thanks
[10:32] <LjL> !automatix
[10:32] <ubotu> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[10:32] <LjL> Gh0st75: wait til it's finished.
[10:32] <Jucato> Gh0st75: you can't have more than one dpkg or apt-get process running at the same time
[10:32] <Gh0st75> k
[10:33] <Dink> why isnt there an alternate install dvd ?
[10:34] <VSpike> LjL: Is easyubuntu dangerous too?
[10:34] <Jucato> Dink: I think the DVD includes an option to install using the text based installer
[10:34] <Jucato> !easyubuntu | VSpike
[10:34] <ubotu> VSpike: easyubuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ - For help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu
[10:34] <LjL> VSpike: reports i've heard tend to say it's better behaved.
[10:34] <Dink> k ill take a look at it... still trying to figure how to get kubuntu on my ps3 :p
[10:35] <Jucato> heh
[10:37] <kervan> is gcc version 4.0.3 (Ubuntu 4.0.3-1ubuntu5) stable?
[10:37] <LeeJunFan> somehow that doesn't make much sense to me, buy a game console then put an OS on it that doesn't have much for games :p
[10:38] <Jucato> LeeJunFan: it dual boots. meaning you can play on it, and use it as your OS :)
[10:38] <Jucato> (afaik)
[10:38] <LeeJunFan> well, not of that quality anyway. My 7 yr old would argue that there ARE tons of games on his linux system.
[10:39] <naught101> what is the difference between flahplayer-mozilla and flashplayer-nonfree?
[10:44] <naught101> they conflict..
[10:46] <hyper_ch> hiho, I'm using xubuntu but I like konversation and konqueror quite a lot but how can I manage now that links in konversation are not by default opened in Konqueror but in FF2.0?
[10:47] <Jucato> hyper_ch: Settings -> Configure Konversation -> Behavior -> General -> Use custom web browser
[10:48] <hyper_ch> Jucato: I looked there before but because it was greyed out I didn't notice :) thx
[10:48] <Jucato> np :)
[10:49] <hyper_ch> Jucato: and I guess I'm the only one who fails to be able to run winamp with wine :)
[10:49] <Jucato> xmms doesn't work for you? it looks a lot like winamp
[10:50] <hyper_ch> winamp has streams
[10:50] <hyper_ch> video streams
[10:50] <Jucato> ah
[10:50] <hyper_ch> like stargate season 9
[10:50] <hyper_ch> (only first half but that's more than here on tv)
[10:50] <voicu> !ro
[10:50] <ubotu> Daca doriti ajutor sau doriti sa discutati despre Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu, intrati pe #ubuntu-ro.
[10:53] <hyper_ch> Jucato: there's quite a bit on anime in the winamp video streams and the two desync channels are nice... one plays stargate and the other one classic movies like hackers, war games, sneakers...
[10:53] <Nuked> hyper_ch: on the desync thing time warner telecom was trying to gain unauthorized access
[10:54] <hyper_ch> Nuked: well, the desync.com homepage doesn't give any information but in winamp they have two streams :) I don't know how else to access those video streams from winamp...
[10:54] <Nuked> I can help you there
[10:55] <hyper_ch> how?
[10:55] <Nuked> there is a program called tunapie
[10:55] <hyper_ch> does desync have more than just two streams?
[10:55] <Nuked> probably
[10:55] <Nuked> those streams (nsv) can be played by mplayer
[10:55] <Nuked> allthough tunapie is a very valuable asset
[10:56] <hyper_ch> tunapie can't be found through apt
[10:56] <Nuked> and you should look into it
[10:56] <Nuked> its not in apt
[10:56] <hyper_ch> nuked that explains it
[10:56] <Nuked> however, I can show you where to obtain it, if you are interested
[10:57] <hyper_ch> nuked: from sourceforge :)
[10:57] <Nuked> there we go!
[10:57] <smart_> hi
[10:57] <Nuked> hi smart_
[10:57] <hyper_ch> Nuked: but it's only 30kb gzipped?
[10:57] <smart_> im very new
[10:57] <Nuked> its tiny
[10:58] <Nuked> it relies on mplayer to play the streams
[10:58] <hyper_ch> Nuked: so I need to install mplayer also?
[10:58] <Nuked> and xmms for the shoutcast stuff
[10:58] <Nuked> install mplayer
[10:58] <hyper_ch> ok :)
[10:59] <Nuked> smart_:  did you have a question to ask?
[11:00] <Nuked> DralaFi: not a fan of earl gray... more of a [rosehip&hibiscus] /green tea dude myself
[11:00] <smart_> yes
[11:00] <elumbella> hi there
[11:00] <hyper_ch> Nuked: downloading mplayer and xmms.... python is already installed :)
[11:00] <Nuked> thats great
[11:00] <hyper_ch> done
[11:00] <elumbella> i have some serious trouble with my sata-hd...
[11:00] <Nuked> now you might have to hand set where mplayer is located though
[11:01] <Nuked> but thats fairly easy
[11:01] <smart_> whats this
[11:01] <Nuked> whats what smart_
[11:01] <hyper_ch> Nuked: what about wxpython?
[11:01] <hyper_ch> and egenix?
[11:01] <smart_> wait
[11:02] <Nuked> hyper. I dont recall if that is a dependency
[11:02] <Nuked> but if it is, install it
[11:02] <hyper_ch> it says so in the install file
[11:02] <DralaFi> Nuked, yeah didn't like earl gray but drank about 40 or so cups over a few weeks so gotten used to it. My parents like rosehip jam/tea. Don't like it myself.
[11:03] <Nuked> hyper_ch: you answered your own question then
[11:03] <hyper_ch> and what of egenix needs to be isntalled?
[11:03] <hyper_ch> Egenix MX extensions for Python --> thats from the install
[11:03] <DralaFi> hmm, time to svn merge
[11:03] <Nuked> hang on hyper allow me to take a look
[11:04] <hyper_ch> but apt-cache search will present quite a bit of different things
[11:05] <elumbella> can anybody helb me with my sata-drives?
[11:06] <hyper_ch> nuked and I installed the python-wxversion... I hope thats the right wx thing
[11:07] <smart_> im new in the world linux so i wont to know how i can a program like to dreamwever
[11:08] <logicalbomb> man, I can't believe this kernel doens't like my chipset
[11:08] <DaSkreech> peertschik: Doesn't matter
[11:08] <logicalbomb> if I let it kick into hibernation I have to pull the battery and plug it back in so my system will post
[11:09] <DaSkreech> kgx: I'm not sure. as far as I know KIO slaves only work from KDE so unless you have a KDE login on that machineyou are pretty much sunk. and even then it doesn't work like that
[11:09] <kgx> DaSkreech: ok, thanks
[11:09] <DralaFi> isn't hibernation still very alpha-y?
[11:10] <hyper_ch> smart_: I had once a site bookmarked that showed you for what tasks which applications are available
[11:10] <hyper_ch> smart_: unfortunately I can't find it anymore
[11:11] <elumbella> if anyone can help me with my sata-drives in a moment, could he say beep?
[11:11] <elumbella> otherwise ill install window$
[11:11] <logicalbomb> I have no idea DralaFi
[11:12] <hyper_ch> elumbella: what is your problem with sata?
[11:12] <DralaFi> logicalbomb, yeah afaik in the kernel config it;s still marked as experimental
[11:12] <smart_> ok
[11:12] <elumbella> i have a sata-harddisk
[11:13] <logicalbomb> elumbella, you shouldn't have problems with your sata drives, linux had drivers for them before windows
[11:13] <Nuked> hyper_ch: i believe that its python-wxgtk2.6
[11:13] <elumbella> yeah, but with windows it worked ;-)
[11:13] <dfxwer> hello everybody
[11:14] <hyper_ch> smart_: http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html   --> but that's not the one I remember
[11:14] <dfxwer> has anybody tried sabayon linux 3.2..any comments
[11:14] <elumbella> i wanted to install dmraid for my nVidia-Controller
[11:14] <logicalbomb> never heard of it
[11:14] <hyper_ch> nuked: what about that egenix?
[11:14] <elumbella> but it didnt work...
[11:15] <Nuked> hyper python-egenix-mx-base-dev
[11:15] <Nuked> I think
[11:15] <smart_> how i can use terminal server client ?
[11:15] <hyper_ch> smart_:   http://www.linux.org/apps/  that was the one I was looking for
[11:15] <hyper_ch> smart_: what do you mean by terminal server client?
[11:15] <hyper_ch> thx nuked
[11:15] <logicalbomb> DralaFi have you had success with Nvidia-glx drivers?
[11:15] <dfxwer> logicalbom: it is gentoo based distro and looks very outstanding from its web site with many enhanced features
[11:16] <smart_> its application in ubuntu
[11:16] <hyper_ch> smart_: what is it supposed to do?
[11:16] <ehird> Hi.
[11:17] <chupa-chups> heelo
[11:17] <chupa-chups> hello
[11:17] <logicalbomb> hello
[11:17] <ehird> My tablet works, is recognized, and it responds to stuff fine. But no matter what i feed to it, mouse, pen, whatever, nothing happens. sudo cat'ing it produces nothing all the time
[11:17] <DralaFi> logicalbomb, yup. nvidia glx is easy to do.
[11:17] <DralaFi> not sure about that on kubuntu though
[11:18] <hyper_ch> Nuked: I get errors upon executing the install.sh script
[11:18] <logicalbomb> DralaFi: the apt-get went successful even the nvidia-config, but when I switched to the nvidia driver instead of the NV
[11:18] <logicalbomb> when it boots into the X, it's all screwed up
[11:18] <hyper_ch> Nuked: (1) I cannot execute it as user (2) when executed as sudo --> cp: cannot stat `src/*.jpg': No such file or directory
[11:18] <chupa-chups> apt-get install smtp
[11:18] <chupa-chups> Reading package lists... Done
[11:18] <chupa-chups> Building dependency tree
[11:18] <chupa-chups> Reading state information... Done
[11:18] <chupa-chups> E: Couldn't find package smtp
[11:18] <logicalbomb> when I do the dpkg on the config, I can switch it back to NV instead of Nvidia and it works again
[11:18] <smart_> i wont acces to my computer anywhere that what i wont
[11:19] <Aondo> anyone else having promblems with quake* and nvidia 9629 driver? i cant seem to start it, X restarts it self, and i'm not sure where to look for log files.
[11:19] <logicalbomb> but i'm not sure about getting 3d support without having the nvidia driver loaded, I want to switch to that fancy 3d windows shit you see in vista
[11:19] <Nuked> hyper I am getting the same error
[11:19] <hyper_ch> Nuked: damn it :)
[11:19] <DralaFi> logicalbomb, what fancy 3d stuff in vista?
[11:19] <Nuked> hyper I am working on it
[11:19] <Admiral_Chicago> Hawkwind: ping
[11:19] <logicalbomb> chupa-chups check your source list to see if it has the address to grab that ap
[11:19] <Hawkwind> Admiral_Chicago: Pongers
[11:19] <chupa-chups> while iam trying to apt-get install smtp , he says Couldn't find package smtp
[11:20] <Admiral_Chicago> Hawkwind: i figured out the ktorrent error
[11:20] <hyper_ch> Nuked: maybe I have to get that egenix thing from the website pointed to in the INSTALL file
[11:20] <chupa-chups> so if not
[11:20] <Nuked> maybe
[11:20] <Nuked> lets check it out
[11:20] <Nuked> hyper, do you use jabber?
[11:20] <Admiral_Chicago> i ran it in konsole and the last line i got was "QServerSocket: failed to bind or listen to the socket"
[11:20] <logicalbomb> chupa-chups, maybe even try that automatix2 program, that gives you a GUI interface to grab downloads from
[11:20] <logicalbomb> ubt don't forget the source.list
[11:20] <LjL> !automatix
[11:20] <ubotu> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[11:20] <Admiral_Chicago> then it goes ERROR etc. no crash report
[11:21] <DaSkreech> smart_: try quanta
[11:21] <logicalbomb> and* lol ubt
[11:21] <chupa-chups> tell me what to do with sources list
[11:21] <smart_> ok
[11:21] <logicalbomb> wait
[11:21] <logicalbomb> smpt?
[11:22] <logicalbomb> like the pop3 related smpt?
[11:22] <chupa-chups> smtp
[11:22] <logicalbomb> !smpt
[11:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about smpt - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:22] <chupa-chups> llok i have the same error when aptget install send mail and mail to
[11:22] <hyper_ch> hyper_ch: nope, no jabber... however icq/msn/aim/skype
[11:23] <hyper_ch> nuked: hyper_ch: nope, no jabber... however icq/msn/aim/skype
[11:23] <Admiral_Chicago> Hawkwind: i also purged and reinstalled the file, same error
[11:23] <logicalbomb> what are you trying to do?
[11:23] <logicalbomb> pop3 mail?
[11:23] <Hawkwind> Admiral_Chicago: What version of KDE/Ktorrent is this on now ?
[11:23] <chupa-chups> ackage sendmail has no installation candidate
[11:23] <VSpike> what user is cupsd supposed to run as?
[11:23] <VSpike> How can I find out?
[11:23] <logicalbomb> apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird
[11:24] <elumbella> my problem is: i try to install dmraid. it says that it cant overwrite a .udeb-file
[11:24] <chupa-chups> iam trying to send mail using commands
[11:24] <Admiral_Chicago> 3.5.5 and the appropriate Ktorrent package
[11:24] <kgx> DaSkreech: i did: `ssh abc.hello.com  -L2222:xyz.hello.com:22` and browsed on the localhost tunnel..worked nicely :-)
[11:24] <chupa-chups> someone told me that i have to aptget install send mail , mail to , smtp
[11:24] <Admiral_Chicago> uhh 1.2
[11:24] <logicalbomb> don't know about sending mail through commands truthfully
[11:24] <logicalbomb> never bothered to do it
[11:24] <elumbella> because atm, kubuntu cant look into my sata-harddisk
[11:24] <Admiral_Chicago> Hawkwind: it broke after i changed the default port
[11:25] <DaSkreech> kgx: that should work
[11:25] <logicalbomb> I don't know about all that, i'd just use thunderbird
[11:25] <logicalbomb> lol
[11:25] <chupa-chups> so
[11:25] <DralaFi> logicalbomb, still having nvidia problems?
[11:25] <logicalbomb> DralaFi: yes, constantly
[11:25] <ehird> no ideas people?
[11:25] <hyper_ch> Nuked: the egenix tar.gz install failed for me: python setup.py installation produced this:  error: command 'gcc' failed with exit status 1
[11:25] <logicalbomb> DralaFi: only when I switch to the Nvidia based driver though
[11:25] <DaSkreech> elumbella: does it get a dvice file?
[11:25] <chupa-chups> ok but tell me plz how to deal with sources list , i edit it by nano then what ???????????????????????
[11:25] <Hawkwind> Admiral_Chicago: You should try running a 2.0.x version of ktorrent
[11:26] <Nuked> hang on hyper Im looking for a solution
[11:26] <Admiral_Chicago> i'll google around for it
[11:26] <DaSkreech> chupa-chups: sudo apt-get update
[11:26] <DralaFi> logicalbomb, i can take a look at your xorg.conf if you like. Otherwise can't help much - never installed nvidia drivers on kubuntu. I installed nvidia drivers many times on Slackware Linux though.
[11:26] <hyper_ch> Nuked: ok :)
[11:26] <chupa-chups> i did
[11:26] <elumbella> DaSkreech: you mean in system:/media/ ?
[11:26] <Hawkwind> Admiral_Chicago: http://buntudot.org/people/~jdong/ktorrent/svn-dapper/
[11:26] <Hawkwind> Admiral_Chicago: I'm using those
[11:26] <DaSkreech> chupa-chups: and you got no erros?
[11:26] <Aondo> logicalbomb  what problems do you have?
[11:26] <Admiral_Chicago> thanks
[11:27] <chupa-chups> i did update then aptget install them and he says he cant find pkges
[11:27] <logicalbomb> xorg.conf is all normal but when I switch driver = Nvidia
[11:27] <logicalbomb> it displays terribly after a reboot
[11:27] <elumbella> DaSkreech: there is an "80GB Media"-icon
[11:27] <logicalbomb> but when I switch it to NV it returns to normal
[11:27] <DaSkreech> I assume it's a 80Gb sata drive?
[11:27] <Aondo> logicalbomb  what driver?
[11:28] <Aondo> what version
[11:28] <elumbella> yeah
[11:28] <DaSkreech> Right and?
[11:28] <DralaFi> Driver      "nvidia"
[11:28] <logicalbomb> ummm 7 something
[11:28] <elumbella> i cannot look "into" it
[11:28] <logicalbomb> yeah when Nvidia is the driver it errors
[11:28] <Aondo> logicalbomb  9742?
[11:28] <logicalbomb> is there a command to check the version
[11:28] <Gh0st75> can i install a 32 bit browser on my 64 bit kubuntu edgy? i would like to be able to view java and flash sites without booting into vista
[11:28] <logicalbomb> i'll just check out my xorg
[11:28] <hyper_ch> logicalbomb: what nvidia card have you got?
[11:29] <DralaFi> logicalbomb, have you looked at the Xorg error logs?
[11:29] <logicalbomb> Go5700
[11:29] <elumbella> error is: mount: can't find /dev/sda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[11:29] <Gh0st75> tried to install 32 bit swiftfox via automatix2 but it installed the 64bit version
[11:29] <hyper_ch> logicalbomb: do you use dapper?
[11:30] <DralaFi> another reason to get nvidia's proper installer
[11:30] <DaSkreech> elumbella: You are clicking on the icon?
[11:30] <elumbella> yup
[11:30] <Nuked> hyper man I have no Idea
[11:32] <hyper_ch> Nuked: too bad.. thx anyway
[11:32] <Aondo> logicalbomb ; cat /proc/driver/nvidia/version - for driver version.
[11:32] <hyper_ch> logicalbomb: If you own a Nvidia FX5900 or a 5700 card (but not only) you might be affected by a bug which prevents (or shows buggy graphics when) users from logging out, switching to another user, shutting down or changing to a console (ALT-(F1-6)).
[11:32] <u94> salut
[11:32] <u94> a tous
[11:32] <DaSkreech> Shhh be very very kuiet
[11:32] <DaSkreech> I'm hunting wascally_wabbit
[11:32] <cedric_> hello
[11:32] <DaSkreech> u94: French?
[11:32] <u94> yes
[11:32] <logicalbomb> yeah
[11:32] <hyper_ch> logicalbomb: look at entry13:   http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Latest_Nvidia_Dapper#PROBLEMS_SECTION
[11:32] <DaSkreech> !fr
[11:32] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[11:32] <BluesKaj> Installed XFCE4 desktop , but KDE seems to have disappeared !
[11:32] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: using KDm?
[11:33] <logicalbomb> huh
[11:33] <BluesKaj> DaSkreech: what is kdm vs kde ?
[11:33] <logicalbomb> doesn't come up with a driver version
[11:33] <logicalbomb> I wonder if I removed it
[11:33] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: KDM vs GDM for loggin in
[11:34] <wascally_wabbit> got a wee problem while installing kubuntu (6.10, DVD).  The livecd boots up fine, and I start the 'install' program, but when I reach the partitioning section, I get "The advanced partitioner (qtparted) crashed.  Further information may be found in /var/log/syslog, or by running qtparted directly.  Do you want to try the.... [etc. etc.] "
[11:34] <logicalbomb> says it's already the newest version
[11:34] <lotusleaf> Anyone with a moment please try to install KDAR, if it doesn't install, please confirm bug on https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdar/+bug/62699 thank you
[11:34] <DaSkreech> wascally_wabbit: try running qtparted
[11:34] <lotusleaf> edgy users, please
[11:34] <wascally_wabbit> same error with borth automatic partitioning, and with manual
[11:34] <wascally_wabbit> DaSkreech: done that.  It starts fine
[11:35] <DralaFi> wascally_wabbit, i'm sure I had that too, on dapper 6.1
[11:35] <BluesKaj> DaSkreech, there is no login page ...I have to start from the shell prompt
[11:35] <DralaFi> got the alternate cd and installed via text mode
[11:35] <logicalbomb> BRB I am checking out the out that article
[11:35] <DaSkreech> and you can select your drive etc
[11:35] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: Ah I see
[11:35] <wascally_wabbit> DaSkreech: yup
[11:35] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: And autologin I ssume?
[11:35] <BluesKaj> running in irssi shell atm
[11:35] <wascally_wabbit> DralaFi: I'll give that a shot, if nothing else wants to work =)
[11:36] <BluesKaj> yup, made that mistake again :)
[11:36] <DaSkreech> wascally_wabbit: well partition it the way you want to have it done then :)
[11:37] <Admiral_Chicago> Hawkwind: that worked thanks, apparently 80 was "being used by another program" do you have an app where i can monitor what is usitng my ports?
[11:37] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: so what are we trying to do?
[11:37] <wascally_wabbit> DaSkreech: It's all partitioned up, but since qtparted won't start, I can't get past that step in the install process, unfortunately
[11:37] <BluesKaj> prolly gonna have reinstall from the live cd ..again ... when will I learn
[11:37] <wascally_wabbit> it gives me the option of 'try again', 'cancel', or 'quit'... =/
[11:37] <DaSkreech> wascally_wabbit: so you don't get a partitioner at all?
[11:37] <BluesKaj> get back to the login page , das
[11:37] <Hawkwind> Admiral_Chicago: I don't know of anything unless maybe ethereal/wireshark or something like that will do it
[11:37] <wascally_wabbit> ah well
[11:37] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: startx and then logout of xfce shoudl do it
[11:37] <wascally_wabbit> DaSkreech: nope
[11:37] <Gh0st75> can i install a 32 bit browser on my 64 bit kubuntu edgy? i would like to be able to view java and flash sites without booting into vista
[11:37] <Gh0st75> tried to install 32 bit swiftfox via automatix2 but it installed the 64bit version
[11:38] <DaSkreech> wascally_wabbit: can you pastebin the error?
[11:38] <DaSkreech> !chroot
[11:38] <ubotu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot use this to build 32 bit environments on a 64 bit box
[11:38] <BluesKaj> DaSkreech: already tried that...xserver can't
[11:38] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: can't
[11:38] <DaSkreech> ?
[11:38] <BluesKaj> 'personalize' kde is the message after rebooting from xfce4
[11:39] <Admiral_Chicago> ah well thanks again Hawkwind
[11:39] <BluesKaj> can't
[11:39] <DaSkreech> message or error?
[11:39] <BluesKaj> error
[11:39] <DaSkreech> so you broke KDE?
[11:39] <Gh0st75> i need to build an environment....this doesn't sound too easy for a new linux user
[11:39] <BluesKaj> think I'm cooked again
[11:40] <DaSkreech> Gh0st75: Then your other solution is to call up adobe and complain that they they either open the file formats or build 64 bit binaries
[11:40] <BluesKaj> yeah DaSkreech , prolly did
[11:40] <Hawkwind> Admiral_Chicago: If you find something nice and neat, let me know please
[11:40] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: Hmm what happens if you do a sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start ?
[11:41] <Admiral_Chicago> Hawkwind: will do
[11:41] <Gh0st75> k, so until adobe does that, people who aren't linux expers have to keep using windows, gotcha
[11:41] <DaSkreech> !info basket
[11:41] <ubotu> basket: User-friendly way to run programs and manage links in KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.0-6 (edgy), package size 334 kB, installed size 1176 kB
[11:41] <DaSkreech> Hmm that needs to be updated
[11:41] <DaSkreech> Gh0st75: or take the leap to learn
[11:41] <DaSkreech> Gh0st75: just cause you haven't done it before doesn't mean it's impossible
[11:42] <DaSkreech> Gh0st75: if you are unwilling then your other two options are to reinstall as a 32 bit platform or complain
[11:42] <Gh0st75> i'm willin to give it a try, worse case scenario i fubar my install and need to format, done that a dozen times already anyway
[11:42] <DaSkreech> Gh0st75: There is nothing we can do to make a 32 bit closed sofware act and react like a 64 bit one without seriously compomising the system
[11:43] <DaSkreech> Gh0st75: :)
[11:43] <Gh0st75> do many people use the 64 bit versions yet?
[11:43] <DaSkreech> I would suspect a decent number
[11:43] <logicalbomb> hmmm
[11:43] <logicalbomb> i'm going to try this
[11:43] <logicalbomb> !nvidia-glx
[11:43] <ubotu> nvidia-glx: NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org driver. In component restricted, is optional. Version 1.0.8776+<IP_ADDRESS>-1 (edgy), package size 3970 kB, installed size 12312 kB
[11:43] <Gh0st75> so that chroot method is what people are using? i'll read up on it some more then
[11:44] <BluesKaj> command not found
[11:46] <BluesKaj> intelikey: mentioned a command last nite that i din't write down ...he claims it would have worked
[11:47] <BluesKaj> definitely something weird going on with X in edgy ... not absolutely sure, but it shouldn't crash like this
[11:48] <BluesKaj> anyway back to install city
[11:48] <BluesKaj> i guess ....
[11:49] <BluesKaj> unless anyone has a better way ?
[11:49] <BluesKaj> or someone
[11:49] <DaSkreech> anyon uses basket?
[11:50] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: try gdm
[11:50] <DaSkreech> Dang
[11:51] <DaSkreech> or better anyon want to install basket and be my partner in figuring out problems?
[11:55] <intelikey> heep mo' betta' 'n good !   yay... lets hear it for edgy...  the latest and greatest in improvments of things thay weren't broken... (but now are)    yay!  </whistels>  </claps>  </mocks>   </waves hands in air>   </laughs>
[11:57] <BluesKaj> DaSkreech, using xfce4 desktop ... alil confusing but I'm getting there :)
[11:57] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: Yeha I know :)
[11:57] <ckd> servus
[11:58] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: see if you can find the login manager and tell it to not autologin
[11:58] <ckd> everybody on here ?
[11:58] <DaSkreech>  then you can select KDe to see if KDE works or if you broke it
[11:58] <BluesKaj> well, ya better goo then looooooooooooo
[11:58] <BluesKaj> yeah was thinking that
[11:58] <DaSkreech> oh... Well guess I'm not needed then :(
[12:02] <ckd> kanotix is blowing up.
[12:03] <DaSkreech> Bloating up?
[12:03] <BluesKaj> well , DaSkreech having trouble finding a login manager
[12:03] <DaSkreech> hm ok
[12:03] <N> no
[12:04] <N> kanotix will me closed
[12:04] <DaSkreech> what's under System?
[12:04] <N> will be
[12:04] <DaSkreech> under what circumstances?
[12:07] <BluesKaj> DaSkreech, found it . reset to manual login.
[12:08] <BluesKaj> brb , I hope
[12:08] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: Where is it in the unlikely event that Xubuntu people needs help in here after not being able to login :)


[08:18] <Bulldog2010> hi all
[08:18] <Bulldog2010> ive got a small problem i need some help with please
[08:18] <benonsoftware> Bulldog2010: Hi. What's your small problem.
[08:19] <Bulldog2010> i got adam internet as isp and have just got fetch tv works great but my ubuntu computer tells me its recieving 127kbps but ive got nothing running
[08:19] <Bulldog2010> for it to recieve to
[08:20] <Bulldog2010> they use virtual ports on the modem to get the signal into the network for streaming
[08:21] <Bulldog2010> any ideas please
[08:21] <benonsoftware> Not off the top of my head]
[08:21] <Bulldog2010> ok thanks
[08:21] <benonsoftware> Sorry again but try #ubuntu too
[08:22] <Bulldog2010> ok no worries
[08:35] <Bulldog2010> no help in there
[08:36] <Bulldog2010> anyone else got any ideas
[08:36] <head_victim> Bulldog2010: shuold be able to get something to monitor your internet connection and see what it is
[08:36] <head_victim> I can't think of the name off the top of my head
[08:37] <Bulldog2010> ok ;et me know if u rember please
[08:38] <head_victim> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/bandwidth-monitoring-tools-for-ubuntu-users.html has a few ideas
[08:42] <Bulldog2010> ok thanks mate
[08:43] <head_victim> I'd just google "Ubuntu network monitoring" or something. I'd try and help more but about to head afk
[08:43] <Bulldog2010> ok no worries


[10:41] <bencc> setting nofile limit in /etc/security/limits.conf has no effect on a server started by upstart?
[10:51] <jodh> bencc: Upstart doesn't support PAM directly (although it does support rlimits and OOM limits), but you can trigger it to be used if you wish using su/sudo/etc. See http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#changing-user.
[10:53] <bencc> jodh: I increased nofile limit in limits.conf but checking /proc/<pid>/limits show it still has 1024 limit
[10:53] <bencc> when adding this to my upstart script the limits are raised limit nofile 30000 30000
[10:53] <bencc> is this specific to upstart or do I need to do the same for init.d script as well?
[10:57] <jodh> bencc: the "limit" stanza is upstart-specific, but you can easily convert it to the shells ulimit syntax.
[10:59] <bencc> jodh: do I put it inside the script ... end script block?
[10:59] <bencc> or in the main block?
[11:01] <jodh> bencc: ?
[11:03] <bencc> jodh:  is this how I use "limit" ? http://dpaste.com/1210781/
[11:04] <bencc> or do I need to put it between lines 20 and 25?
[11:07] <jodh> bencc: it's an upstart stanza, so it does needs to go outside any script stanza as the shell won't understand it. it's fine on line 11 as shown. I thought you already said you had that working??
[11:09] <bencc> jodh: until 10 minutes ago I only used /etc/security/limits.conf
[11:09] <bencc> now I'm trying to understand if I need to do the same for nginx in /etc/init.d/nginx


[12:59] <TechNation> Hello
[12:59] <TechNation> Greetings from Portugal
[13:00] <TechNation> :D
[13:01] <TechNation> Is there some good referenco on how to structure an application?
[13:02] <TechNation> Because when i create a project with Quickly, it creates a lot of folders and files that i dont know there purpose
[13:30] <TechNation> Is there some good reference on how to structure an application?  Because when i create a project with Quickly, it creates a lot of folders and files that i dont know their purpose
[13:38] <TechNation> I want to create an invoice program suited for Portugal laws, and that works in ubuntu
[13:38] <TechNation> and i want to use Quickly to do it
[13:38] <TechNation> :D
[13:39] <morten771> what is Quickly?
[13:39] <morten771> btw, there must be more irc channels to ask in, here seems very quiet right now.
[13:40] <TechNation> it is a suite to create programs in ubuntu
[16:20] <pavolzetor> hi,
[16:20] <pavolzetor> I am developing app and I am, affected by this bug
[16:20] <pavolzetor> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/993204
[16:20] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 993204 in unity "bottom of windows are not drawn" [Undecided,New]
[16:20] <pavolzetor> I need to get it fixed, since it causes bad experience of my app
[16:20] <pavolzetor> thanks :)
[16:23] <JanC> pavolzetor: might be useful to check if this is related to certain graphics hardware
[16:23] <JanC> and what driver is used for it
[16:23] <pavolzetor> I have asked my friend with different hw to check it
[16:23] <JanC> same problem?
[16:23] <pavolzetor> and it was same
[16:24] <pavolzetor> it just bothers me, because if I launch my app in fullscreen
[16:24] <pavolzetor> it draws window under at bottom
[16:24] <pavolzetor> no problem in shell or unity2d
[16:25] <JanC> actually, I can confirm what you see
[16:25] <JanC> only happens when window is maximized, it seems
[16:26] <JanC> i mean, when the window is maximized last time you started it, so that it starts maximized next time
[16:28] <JanC> pavolzetor: so this happens with your application as well as with GTranslator as with Shotwell?
[16:30] <pavolzetor> yes
[16:30] <pavolzetor> same
[16:31] <pavolzetor> shotwell, gtranslator, floaty(my app)
[16:33] <pavolzetor> you know, basic user does not care
[16:33] <pavolzetor> they will think it is bug in my app
[16:33] <JanC> I've set the bug to confirmed, and added some example about how to reproduce it (by default GTranslator doesn't start maximized)
[16:33] <JanC> let's hope somebody looks at it soon  ;)
[16:35] <JanC> pavolzetor: in theory it's possible that you and those other apps have the same "bug", but that should become apparent when developers look at the bug report and discuss things with you
[16:35] <pavolzetor> JanC: yes, in theory
[16:36] <pavolzetor> but odds are approaching to 0
[16:36] <pavolzetor> thanks
[16:37] <JanC> right, and you & unity developers can work that out between yourselves  ☺
[16:37] <pavolzetor> anyway, another question
[16:38] <pavolzetor> can I sell app in usc if it is gpl?
[16:38] <pavolzetor> and use LP for free?
[16:39] <JanC> I don't work for Canonical, but AFAICT there is no reason why you couldn't sell it
[16:40] <JanC> LP for free seems to depend on license
[16:40] <JanC> so when it's GPL that should be fine
[16:42] <JanC> pavolzetor: I think having paid GPL'ed applications would be interesting actually  ☺
[16:42] <JanC> see if people pay for it or use a (free) PPA or such
[16:45] <JanC> and maybe people will try for free first and pay if they like it (and can afford it)
[16:48] <pavolzetor> Thanks
[16:48] <pavolzetor> that is exactly what I plan to do
[16:49] <pavolzetor> kinda experiment
[16:49] <pavolzetor> I have daily ppa
[16:49] <pavolzetor> gpl source code
[16:49] <pavolzetor> so if user like app he can buy it
[16:50] <JanC> I guess it might be an experiment that might take some time
[16:50] <pavolzetor> also every daily build is tested, so it should be stable, I have only daily one, so everybody uses latest app and I do not need to backport stuff
[16:50] <pavolzetor> It is my first project, so kinda hard for me
[16:50] <JanC> ☺
[16:50] <pavolzetor> I have only version 0.1
[16:51] <pavolzetor> http://blog.klacansky.com/matter-code/speedyrss-is-dead-long-live-floaty
[16:51] <pavolzetor> you can give me feedback ;)
[16:51] <pavolzetor> but I have realized, that google reader is must have probably
[16:52] <pavolzetor> thanks for your time and advice, I need to go, and sorry for spamming :)
[16:52] <JanC> no problem, and happy to help!
[20:52] <pavolzetor> hello
[20:52] <pavolzetor> how can I measure how many people do use my app?
[20:52] <pavolzetor> I prefer to not bundle analytics code in webkit view
[20:58] <pavolzetor> even PPA unique downloads would be great
[21:04] <JanC> how do you think that could work without privacy issues?
[21:05] <pavolzetor> in software sources
[21:06] <pavolzetor> you have stats, so if user ticks it
[21:06] <pavolzetor> you can see it
[21:06] <pavolzetor> you can see stats
[21:06] <pavolzetor> or
[21:06] <pavolzetor> just count number of adding of ppa
[21:06] <pavolzetor> it can be anonymous
[21:07] <JanC> adding a PPA happens client-side not server-side
[21:07] <pavolzetor> but you need to get key right?
[21:08] <JanC> you can get that key from anywhere
[21:08] <pavolzetor> but usually you get it from LP, right?
[21:08] <pavolzetor> or what is default location?
[21:08] <JanC> although the Ubuntu default keyserver might give a good indication
[21:09] <pavolzetor> I just think it would be great to somehow track it
[21:09] <JanC> so, yeah, it might be "close enough"
[21:09] <pavolzetor> if your app in paid apps section
[21:09] <pavolzetor> you can get feedback in revies
[21:09] <pavolzetor> but do you know count of installs
[21:09] <pavolzetor> like on android
[21:10] <pavolzetor> because not everybody who bought/installed app do review, so I can extrapolate, but it is not that easy, it is only hunch
[21:10] <JanC> even on android this is not "water thight"  ;)
[21:11] <pavolzetor> but it is something
[21:11] <JanC> but on Ubuntu, it's even easier to install in different ways etc.
[21:11] <pavolzetor> so you know how popular is it
[21:11] <pavolzetor> it does not have to be exact number
[21:11] <pavolzetor> something like
[21:11] <pavolzetor> 1k
[21:11] <pavolzetor> 10k
[21:11] <JanC> pavolzetor: AFAIK PPA's have downoad stast?
[21:11] <pavolzetor> 10^n
[21:12] <JanC> download stats
[21:13] <pavolzetor> https://launchpad.net/~floaty-devs/+archive/daily
[21:13] <pavolzetor> I cannot find it
[21:13] <pavolzetor> any hint?
[21:13] <pavolzetor> I think, majority install from software center and then PPA
[21:13] <JanC> to be honest, no idea
[21:14] <JanC> i thought there was some way to get stats
[21:16] <pavolzetor> are there any responsible people to talk to?
[21:16] <pavolzetor> thanks :)
[21:16] <JanC> pavolzetor: maybe in #launchpad
[21:16] <pavolzetor> I just need to track "success" of app
[21:16] <pavolzetor> okay
[21:16] <JanC> or maybe the commercial app thing has that
[21:16] <pavolzetor> it is important for me, demographics, also what users miss
[21:17] <JanC> (I have no experience with that)
[21:17] <pavolzetor> me neither
[21:17] <JanC> pavolzetor: certainly make sure you get that sort of feedback to te relevant developers
[21:18] <pavolzetor> my project is experiment so I can learn stuff
[21:21] <pavolzetor> as mpt said, if you do not measure stuff, it is hobby
[21:21] <pavolzetor> thanks again
[21:21] <JanC> I'm off to bed right now, but if you can't figure things out, I'd be happy to ask around  ;)
[21:21] <pavolzetor> I leave it open, so I can watch it
[21:21] <pavolzetor> thanks
[21:22] <pavolzetor> actaully it is fun to develop, but Gtk sometimes piss me off :), luckily people are willing to help
[21:23] <JanC> Gtk is pretty good mostly, but often lacks convenient widgets so you have to write your own?
[21:24] <pavolzetor> I used GtkGrid
[21:24] <pavolzetor> but it is not that way it should be used
[21:24] <pavolzetor> Treeviews cannot have gaps between tiems
[21:24] <pavolzetor> items
[21:25] <pavolzetor> I mean, no resizable grid, so I do regroup GtkGrid
[21:25] <pavolzetor> probably not best way, but I am like one month or so useing gtk
[21:26] <JanC> might be useful to ask on the main Gtk ML/IRC
[21:26] <pavolzetor> I have asked
[21:26] <JanC> (if you didn't do that yet)
[21:26] <pavolzetor> they said
[21:26] <JanC> ah ☺
[21:26] <pavolzetor> write your own widget :)
[21:26] <pavolzetor> but I am newbie
[21:27] <pavolzetor> so I am happy if I understand stock widget
[21:27] <pavolzetor> s
[21:27] <JanC> well, I think it's one of the weak points of Gtk: there aren't enough 3rd party widgets
[21:27] <pavolzetor> and not cairo stuff or so, and actaully, I misuse them but it works
[21:27] <pavolzetor> yep
[21:27] <pavolzetor> technically, there are only widget that they need
[21:27] <JanC> and the 3rd party widgets that exist are often part of applications, so other developers don't see them
[21:28] <pavolzetor> but it is always
[21:28] <pavolzetor> if you have looked at my app
[21:28] <pavolzetor> it is completely different GUI as other GTK apps
[21:28] <pavolzetor> exactly
[21:29] <pavolzetor> and egg widget are deprecated (if I got it right)
[21:30] <JanC> most of the Egg widgets are in Gtk itself now, I think
[21:30] <JanC> anyway, off to bed  :P
[21:30] <JanC> slaapwel!   ☺
[21:31] <pavolzetor> thanks, good night
[21:31] <pavolzetor> not all
[21:31] <pavolzetor> one I needed was not there
[21:31] <pavolzetor> there is api for stats
[21:31] <pavolzetor> so I am going to write script