[08:28] <HrdwrBoB> with a few tweaks and extensions
[08:29] <geoffj> HrdwrBoB: please tell me how
[08:29] <AlohaWolf> (Reading database ... 120554 files and directories currently installed.)
[08:29] <AlohaWolf> Removing samba ...
[08:29] <AlohaWolf> invoke-rc.d: dangling symlink: /etc/rc2.d/S91samba
[08:29] <AlohaWolf> dpkg: error processing samba (--remove):
[08:29] <AlohaWolf>  subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 10
[08:29] <Cam-> does anyone know if the line positions on a proc file such as cpuinfo are the same on every system
[08:29] <Cam-> >
[08:29] <Cam-> ?
[08:29] <AlohaWolf> does anyone know what that means?
[08:29] <randabis-laptop> there's an extension...tab browser preferences
[08:29] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[08:29] <HrdwrBoB> grab that
[08:29] <randabis-laptop> gosh, please don't flood like that
[08:30] <HrdwrBoB> Cam-: no
[08:30] <geoffj> randabis-laptop: is that in warty?
[08:30] <randabis-laptop> firefox extensions are platform independent
[08:30] <randabis-laptop> well for the most part anyway
[08:31] <HrdwrBoB> randabis-laptop: you add them through firefox
[08:32] <randabis-laptop> yeah I know
[08:32] <randabis-laptop> that's why I said it's platform independent
[08:32] <randabis-laptop> geoffj, https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/?application=firefox
[08:32] <Faustus> hi
[08:34] <hypatia> Is anyone able to help me resize a gnome-panel?
[08:34] <HrdwrBoB> hypatia: in what direction
[08:34] <hypatia> Silly sounding question... but look at https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/attachment.cgi?id=1100
[08:35] <hypatia> HrdwrBoB: I would like it not to be occupying the left third of my screen, as per the screenshot...
[08:35] <daniels> hypatia: right-click on the panel, choose preferences
[08:35] <hypatia> daniels: I can't
[08:36] <hypatia> daniels: the icons are so big they take up the whole panel.
[08:36] <hypatia> daniels: I left click anywhere, I open an app
[08:36] <hypatia> daniels: I right-click anywhere, I get the context menu *for the icon*
[08:36] <Samus_Aran> hi, could anyone help me.  I am wondering if there is a unique way to detect that Ubuntu is the currently running distro.  for example, is there a file like /etc/ubuntu-release or /etc/ubuntu-version, or some unique package manager app, etc. ?
[08:36] <Samus_Aran> hypatia: heh
[08:37] <Samus_Aran> hypatia: Gnome ?
[08:37] <hypatia> (no, I didn't idly resize the panel, my mouse cursor always "goes crazy" on login and just resizes and opens stuff on my behalf.)
[08:37] <hypatia> yes.
[08:37] <Samus_Aran> I had major issues trying to fix my Gnome toolbar after the icons went huge
[08:37] <daniels> hypatia: hm.  even when you right-click on applications, or something?
[08:37] <Samus_Aran> there was no space left on the toolbar to get the toolbar properties, quite a bad design
[08:38] <hypatia> daniels: that menu has its own context menu, yes.
[08:38] <hypatia> daniels: Help, Remove from panel, Lock to panel
[08:38] <setite> http://www.cs.sunyit.edu/~andrusw/pic/comedy/venki533.jpg
[08:38] <setite> that is funny!
[08:38] <daniels> hypatia: worst-case scenario is going into gconf-editor, apps->panel->toplevels->top_panel; change size to 32 and orientation to top
[08:38] <hypatia> ok
[08:38] <geoffj> randabis-laptop: I cna't see any tab extension that gives we what I have in galeon. Galeon
[08:38] <hypatia> daniels: I think I might have to go that way.
[08:39] <hypatia> daniels: when *every pixel* of a panel is occupied with an icon, it seems like you lose the panel's own context menu.
[08:39] <hypatia> or rather, the ability to access it.
[08:39] <daniels> hypatia: right, which is arse
[08:39] <geoffj> randabis-laptop: galeon's history support works great with tabs. when you clone a tab it clones the history too
[08:39] <Samus_Aran> setite: in rather poor taste, but funny otherwise
[08:39] <randabis-laptop> geoffj, did you try tab browser preferences?
[08:39] <hypatia> daniels: I filed bug 5735 against it.
[08:40] <hypatia> daniels: I hope seb128 doesn't ignore it, I break gnome every time I touch it.
[08:40] <randabis-laptop> I don't know about the history cloning, etc...that's never been important to me at all
[08:40] <lifeless> iz gtk bug
[08:40] <daniels> hypatia: heh
[08:40] <geoffj> randabis-laptop: what is tab browser preferences?
[08:40] <hypatia> s/ignore/close as unreproducible... he never ignores them as such.
[08:40] <randabis-laptop> geoffj, an extension
[08:41] <hypatia> daniels: as for this "my mouse cursor goes crazy when I first touch my touchpad" thing, ever heard of that?
[08:41] <geoffj> randabis-laptop: oh that one; it requires at later version of firefox than is in warty
[08:41] <hypatia> I mean, sufficiently crazy that I touch it gently with my finger, and suddenly my panel is in the wrong place and six times bigger than it used to be...
[08:42] <randabis-laptop> geoffj, you can get firefox 1.0 from ubuntu backports
[08:42] <Samus_Aran> so does anyone know if Ubuntu has any unique file, app or directory that can distinguish it from a Debian system ?
[08:42] <randabis-laptop> ha I was just about to ask Samus :p
[08:42] <geoffj> randabis-laptop: how does one do that?
[08:43] <hypatia> Samus_Aran: there seems not to be, it seems to still have /etc/debian_release or whatever its name is :(
[08:43] <randabis-laptop> http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/
[08:43] <randabis-laptop> that's for you geoffj
[08:43] <hypatia> Samus_Aran: probably worthy of a bug report if there isn't anything, because that's something almost every distro has.
[08:43] <Samus_Aran> hypatia: what about a folder like /var/ubuntu or similar ?
[08:43] <geoffj> randabis-laptop: cheers
[08:43] <randabis-laptop> you just have to edit sources.list and do apt-get update
[08:44] <cutterjohn> YDL still had RH stuff...
[08:44] <hypatia> Samus_Aran: well, I don't have one on my system anyway.
[08:44] <Samus_Aran> hypatia: I would rather the part of my script that detects distros not to report it as Debian, as that is a false-positive
[08:44] <cutterjohn> in a similar fashion as ubuntu wrt debian...
[08:44] <Samus_Aran> hypatia: does "locate ubuntu" come up with anything ?
[08:46] <randabis-laptop> yeah, but I don't think it comes up with anything relevent samus
[08:46] <cutterjohn> samus, unless you want to check for /usr/share/doc/ubuntu-* directories
[08:46] <randabis-laptop> it comes with several hits
[08:47] <hypatia> Samus_Aran: that comes up with about a million things because a lot of the files in /var/cache/apt/archive are named *ubuntu.deb
[08:47] <Stew2> daniels: Okay, I'm getting ready to type that XORG_.... but I'm already root. Do I need the sudo command?
[08:47] <cutterjohn> samus_aran, I suppose that you could check the source lists for apt...
[08:47] <randabis-laptop> if you're root you don't need sudo
[08:47] <heliolith> If I've installed K3B, but am worried after forum reading that it's not safe for my system, can I balk and uninstall??  I've never uninstalled anything so any pointers are appreciated...
[08:48] <randabis-laptop> sure you can uninstall it
[08:48] <zenrox> heliolith,  dont k3b works just fine
[08:48] <randabis-laptop> I don't see what's unsafe about it though?
[08:48] <heliolith> oh
[08:48] <daniels> Stew2: nope, don't need sudo
[08:48] <Stew2> XORG_FORCE_PROBE=yes sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[08:48] <Stew2> XORG_FORCE_PROBE=yes dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[08:48] <daniels> correct
[08:49] <heliolith> I'm just getting some errors, mostly missing icon files... I guess it was someone complaining that they had to re-install ubuntu after it messed something up... I should take it with a grain of salt I suppose... any idea how to kill the icon errors?
[08:49] <hypatia> is this how you get it to detect a new monitor?
[08:49] <Samus_Aran> hypatia: well if that is consistant across all Ubuntu systems, then that is just fine.  I can check for the existance of /var/cache/apt/archive/*ubuntu.deb
[08:49] <hypatia> Samus_Aran: it wouldn't be. Those can be purged with the command "apt-get clean"
[08:50] <Adrenal> i swear, the day microsoft make a product that doesn't suck is the day they make a vacum cleaner
[08:50] <randabis-laptop> yeah
[08:50] <Samus_Aran> Adrenal: lol
[08:50] <hypatia> and it's possible a fresh CD install doesn't put packages in that cache, although I don't know.
[08:50] <randabis-laptop> I was just about to say about apt-get clean
[08:50] <Adrenal> defragging took 2 hours. TWO HOURS PEOPLE
[08:50] <Adrenal> I AM A BUSY MAN
[08:50] <cutterjohn> visual studio sucks?
[08:50] <randabis-laptop> just don't use microsoft :)
[08:50] <Adrenal> i don't
[08:50] <Stew2> daniels: It didn't do squat. I did use the shutdown command from a ssh terminal though, just prior. Went into 'single user-mode'. Whatever that is.
[08:50] <Adrenal> unless i have to
[08:51] <Adrenal> havn't got ntfs write support to work yet
[08:51] <Samus_Aran> Adrenal: the only time I use Microsoft products are when I am being paid by the hour.  this works fine for me.
[08:51] <daniels> Stew2: ah, ok.  run this first:
[08:51] <Stew2> daniels: I have a shell prompt. I typed the XORG_ stuff in, and it went back to a prompt. no errors.
[08:51] <daniels> oh
[08:51] <randabis-laptop> ntfs write support is limited
[08:51] <daniels> Stew2: yeah, it's designed to say nothing :)
[08:51] <Adrenal> samus: i've been using ubuntu for ages. I just really, really hate microsoft
[08:51] <daniels> Stew2: although you might want to do this:
[08:51] <Samus_Aran> hypatia: what about /usr/share/doc/ubuntu-* ?
[08:51] <Adrenal> seriously, been like 3 months
[08:51] <hypatia> Samus_Aran: I'm not sure.
[08:51] <daniels> md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf > /var/lib/xfree86/xorg.conf.md5sum
[08:51] <randabis-laptop> I don't have anything ntfs...no windows
[08:51] <daniels> then re-run the XORG_...
[08:52] <cutterjohn> samus_aran: check the source in /etc/apy/sources.list they'll be *.ubuntu.com
[08:52] <hypatia> Samus_Aran: I guess /usr/share/doc/ubuntu-base would exist on pretty much all ubuntu systems.
[08:52] <Samus_Aran> hypatia: I can do a combination of checking for those .ubuntu.deb packages, and checking for the docs directories.  if either exists, it will count it as Ubuntu distro
[08:52] <randabis-laptop> yeah that's an idea
[08:52] <hypatia> cutterjohn: except when people start using mirrors (as Australians like to do).
[08:52] <randabis-laptop> haha
[08:52] <Stew2> daniels: So, what do I do now? I already ran xorgconfig. I couldn't get the mouse right though. I didn't know what the /dev/mouse was supposed to actually be. And then I picked the wrong monitor refresh rate. The only way I could figure out how to get out, was to ssh into the box from my windows box here, and issue a shutdown.
[08:53] <Samus_Aran> can all of you confirm that you have a user-readable /usr/share/doc/ubuntu-base directory ?
[08:53] <cutterjohn> ah, forgot about that detail... too bad the mirrors weren't aliased in the DNS...
[08:53] <hypatia> cutterjohn: well even then you get people using unofficial mirrors
[08:54] <hypatia> cutterjohn: my house has a private mirror so that we don't have to download every package twice.
[08:54] <Samus_Aran> are there any config files in /etc with ubuntu in the name ?
[08:54] <hypatia> that's never going to get a ubuntu.com subdomain :)
[08:54] <randabis-laptop> I don't have a ubuntu-base directory
[08:54] <daniels> Stew2: if you reboot now, it should all be OK
[08:54] <hypatia> Samus_Aran: no.
[08:54] <heliolith> can anyone suggest fontpack keyterms to search for to get firefox to view pages as they appeared on my windows system?
[08:54] <hypatia> Samus_Aran: I do think this is worthy of a bug, since most distros have a sort of unique release file in /etc
[08:54] <randabis-laptop> I think that's because the ubuntu-base directory would be linked to the ubuntu-base meta package
[08:54] <HrdwrBoB> hypatia: just rsync or nfs /var/cache/apt/archives
[08:54] <daniels> Stew2: if it's still arse, I'd love to see your /var/log/Xorg.0.log (it's big -- email preferred), and /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:54] <cutterjohn> randabis-laptop: you're a special case.  does your reinstalled from cd have one?
[08:55] <Stew2> daniels okay, i did the md5sum thing, then I re-ran the XORG_ command, now the Ubuntu Configuration screen came up.
[08:55] <pvh> Oh man, that was an unpleasant no-x-starting experience.
[08:55] <hypatia> HrdwrBoB: with the mirror already working, why bother? I don't have any personal investment in making sure that ubuntu.com has a match in my /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:55] <Stew2> daniels : Sure, if i ever get the box up!
[08:55] <HrdwrBoB> hypatia: true
[08:55] <daniels> Stew2: oh, what's the screen saying?
[08:55] <Samus_Aran> it would be nice to see Ubuntu have an /etc/ubuntu?{release,version}
[08:56] <cutterjohn> hypatia: private mirror... thats the nice thing about only running one architecture...
[08:56] <hypatia> Samus_Aran: I'll file the bug,
[08:56] <randabis-laptop> I think that's because the ubuntu-base directory would be linked to the ubuntu-base meta package
[08:56] <daniels> Samus_Aran: /etc/lsb-release
[08:56] <pvh> Word to the wise: if anyone tries to 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86', I recommend they 'dexconf' afterwards.
[08:56] <Stew2> It's asking me for the video modes you would like the x server to use... "Configuring xserver-xorg" daniels
[08:56] <Faustus> i did "sudo hdparm -d 1 /dev/cdrom" and a dvd seems less choppy with ogle.  Term latter said, "dropping to single frame dma". Does this mean dma has been disabled?
[08:56] <Samus_Aran> daniels: that is included in ubuntu, or are you saying it should be ?
[08:57] <daniels> Samus_Aran: it is included in ubuntu
[08:57] <Samus_Aran> daniels: what is in the file ?
[08:57] <daniels> Stew2: hm.  select 1024x768.
[08:57] <daniels> Samus_Aran: have a look for yourself.  version number, name, everything.
[08:57] <hypatia> daniels: ah cool, you saved a useless bug :)
[08:58] <randabis-laptop> DISTRIB_RELEASE=5.04
[08:58] <randabis-laptop> DISTRIB_CODENAME=hoary
[08:58] <randabis-laptop> DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu (The Hoary Hedgehog Release) Development Branch"
[08:58] <Samus_Aran> daniels: I don't have an Ubuntu system.  one part of my system stats scripts detects the distro being used
[08:58] <randabis-laptop> crap
[08:58] <randabis-laptop> sorry
[08:58] <Faustus> man says that the -d option should disable it bu outputs "on" even though it was already on
[08:58] <NanoTek> Hey
[08:58] <cutterjohn> daniels: excepting, I think that the lsb-release file will only appear starting with hoary correct?
[08:58] <geoffj> daniels: lsb depends on lsb-release and lsb is very fundermental hence everyone has /etc/lsb-release
[08:59] <pvh> Does anyone here have a working dual-head Geforce4 setup?
[08:59] <Samus_Aran> so all of you have an /etc/lsb-release with a line saying exactly: DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu
[08:59] <randabis-laptop> I do...a hoary user
[08:59] <geoffj> pvh: yeah, at work
[08:59] <randabis-laptop> a warty user needs to check
[09:00] <cutterjohn> daniels: never, I just noticed that it does exist for warty...
[09:00] <hypatia> my warty system does not have it.
[09:00] <HappyFool> mine does
[09:00] <Samus_Aran> is an ubuntu a toad or something ?
[09:00] <randabis-laptop> lolz
[09:00] <zenrox> lol
[09:00] <cutterjohn> DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu
[09:00] <cutterjohn> DISTRIB_RELEASE=4.10
[09:00] <cutterjohn> DISTRIB_CODENAME=warty
[09:00] <cutterjohn> DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu"
[09:00] <hypatia> It's sort of an odd system though, an upgrade from an old version of sarge
[09:00] <HappyFool> it's an african word for "humanity" more or less
[09:00] <zenrox> Samus_Aran,  check out www.ubuntulinux.org
[09:00] <geoffj> cutterjohn: lsb-release is in warty
[09:01] <hypatia> ah I get it.
[09:01] <randabis-laptop> well there you go Samus, a way to identify ubuntu for your script :p
[09:01] <hypatia> ubuntu-DESKTOP depends on lsb (at least in warty)
[09:01] <hypatia> ubuntu-BASE does not...
[09:01] <Samus_Aran> I think I will simply have to check all 5 possible places where ubuntu could be, and if any of the 5 tests match ..
[09:01] <HappyFool> is /etc/lsb-release an LSB requirement ?
[09:01] <zenrox> Samus_Aran,  let me know when the script is done
[09:01] <hypatia> hence, systems with ubuntu-base may not have /etc/lsb-release.
[09:01] <cutterjohn> good idea...
[09:01] <hypatia> so it is possible to have an ubuntu system without it.
[09:02] <cutterjohn> but I think that I saw a message on the developer mailing list of adding lsb-release to base for hoary up...
[09:02] <hypatia> it's only on hoary that ubuntu-base starts depending on it.
[09:04] <Samus_Aran> zenrox: I wrote a version 1.x of my system stats script, which was alright, but a bit long.  I am rewriting a 2.x version of it now that is far more compact and also gives out far more relevant info, and it also does not assume you have particular console apps installed
[09:05] <Samus_Aran> zenrox: all it depends on is Bash, everything else is optional
[09:05] <randabis-laptop> neat
[09:05] <Samus_Aran> the benefit being you can run it on stripped down systems and still get a lot of useful info out of it
[09:05] <randabis-laptop> I'd definitely be interested in it when you release
[09:05] <Stew2> daniels Workin on it.
[09:06] <daniels> Stew2: cheers
[09:06] <Samus_Aran> e.g. it detects things fine on my SmoothWall router distro on a 60MB hard drive
[09:06] <cutterjohn> Samus_Aran: so what exactly does this script of yours do?
[09:06] <Samus_Aran> cutterjohn: it produces a very compact listing of information about a system
[09:07] <kakalto> how do I copy ALL of the contents of a directory to another location?
[09:07] <HappyFool> cp -dpR
[09:07] <HappyFool> or rsync -a
[09:07] <kakalto> including all folders, subfolders, files, subfiles, etc.
[09:07] <kakalto> thanks
[09:07] <randabis-laptop> man cp is handy
[09:08] <kakalto> this should take a while
[09:08] <kakalto> I'm copying about 2.7GB of stuff
[09:08] <kakalto> if I'm looking through an ntfs drive, are directories starting with "." still hidden?
[09:09] <HappyFool> i *think* that's a function of the executable (cp, rsync, what-have-you), not the fs. i could be wrong.
[09:09] <kakalto> ohk
[09:09] <kakalto> so, will that command as shown above copy hidden folders?
[09:09] <randabis-laptop> yes
[09:10] <daniels> correct
[09:10] <NanoTek> what is the difference between universe and multiverse ?
[09:10] <Samus_Aran> cutterjohn: operating system, architecture, distro, kernel and libc version info, guesses at your total physical ram/used ram, total/used swap, uptime in days, user shell, processes/second since boot, load average for 60 seconds, cpu mhz/type/cache/bmips/how many cpus, filesystem types/size, etc.
[09:10] <daniels> NanoTek: universe : multiverse :: main : restricted
[09:10] <cutterjohn> Samus_Aran: you know on a grep -ri ubuntu of /etc/* Mozilla prefs also list ubuntu mozilla-firefox/pref/firefox.js:pref("general.useragent.vendorSub", "0.9.3 (Ubuntu)");  unfortunately the kernel version does not....
[09:10] <randabis-laptop> universe = free multiverse = nonfree
[09:11] <NanoTek> ok thx
[09:11] <NanoTek> so i can find codecs
[09:11] <NanoTek> etc
[09:11] <NanoTek> for playing wmv
[09:11] <kakalto> ohhh codecs
[09:11] <randabis-laptop> not necessarily
[09:11] <kakalto> I'm gonna have hell trying to find avi, mpg, rm, etc. etc. etc. codec packs for linux
[09:12] <randabis-laptop> you can find w32codecs in marillat's repositories
[09:12] <Samus_Aran> kakalto: why is that ?
[09:12] <cutterjohn> Samus_Aram: excepting of course firefox will not be installed in a base install, say if ubuntu were being installed to be run as a server...
[09:12] <cutterjohn> Samus_Aran: sounds interesting...
[09:12] <kakalto> Samus_Aran, I'm assuming they're hard to find ;)
[09:12] <Samus_Aran> kakalto: they're easy to find.  MPlayer's web site has a very complete collection of video codes
[09:12] <Samus_Aran> *codecs
[09:12] <NanoTek> randabis, it was just an example (i've compiled mplayer with the ALL packages :) )
[09:12] <Samus_Aran> kakalto: surely someone has made an Ubuntu package of them
[09:13] <kakalto> ohk
[09:13] <kakalto> kewl
[09:13] <randabis-laptop> samus they are in marillat's repositories...but those aren't strictly ubuntu...they are actually debian
[09:13] <Samus_Aran> kakalto: I even install MPlayer on Win32 systems because it can play more formats better than fighting with Win32 native codecs and players
[09:14] <kakalto> exactly what is Mplayer? who makes it?
[09:14] <kakalto> mplayer.com?
[09:14] <NanoTek> hq
[09:14] <NanoTek> mplayer.hq
[09:14] <Samus_Aran> www.mplayerhq.hu
[09:14] <NanoTek> lol
[09:14] <NanoTek> scuse
[09:14] <Samus_Aran> NanoTek: close
[09:14] <Stew2> daniels: Yes, it boots up. But the only screen resolution available is 640x480 x 60hz
[09:14] <cutterjohn> kakalto: ...and I've installed it on OSX, initially as it was one of the few options for handling DIVX movies... along with vlc...
[09:14] <NanoTek> i am still sleeping
[09:14] <NanoTek> :p
[09:14] <Stew2> kakalto: a hungarian guy started it.
[09:14] <randabis-laptop> I perfer gxine/totem-xine over mplayer myself
[09:15] <Stew2> daniels I've got a TNT-2 based card. A diamond V770
[09:15] <randabis-laptop> w32codecs rawks my socks though
[09:15] <kakalto> I'm copying approx. 2.7GB of data from one partition of my hard drive to another, and cp doesn't seem to be giving me any progress reports, does anyone have any ideas to how long it will take, and how I can figure out whether or not it's done?
[09:15] <cutterjohn> kakalto: no progress reports from cp
[09:15] <cutterjohn> kakalto: or mv, etc
[09:15] <randabis-laptop> you'll know when it is done when your command prompt comes back
[09:16] <kakalto> the thing is, sometimes my gentoo installation wouldn't come back,but it was done...
[09:16] <Samus_Aran> kakalto: http://www1.mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/releases/codecs/all-20050115.tar.bz2  << that 13MB archive has codecs for pretty much every common video format out there, usable with MPlayer and Xine
[09:16] <cutterjohn> are you sure about that? I've never seen the basic file utils hang, ever...
[09:16] <randabis-laptop> nor have I
[09:16] <kakalto> it wasn't a util, I don't think
[09:16] <Samus_Aran> kakalto: cp without -i will not display files
[09:17] <kakalto> ahk
[09:17] <Samus_Aran> I mean -v
[09:17] <Samus_Aran> kakalto: it is a good idea to alias cp and mv to do -iv
[09:17] <randabis-laptop> yeah verbose
[09:17] <kakalto> that probably would have been better a few minutes ago
[09:17] <cutterjohn> you could do a cp- -v in the future, that may provide more feedback...
[09:17] <randabis-laptop> lol
[09:17] <Samus_Aran> -i is interactive, meaning it asks for confirmation before overwriting files, -v is verbose, meaning it displays every filename being copied/moved
[09:17] <cutterjohn> kakalto: by basic file utils, I mean: ls, cp, mv, etc.
[09:17] <Samus_Aran> I recommend aliasing rm to rm -v, so you can at least see what is being deleted
[09:18] <cutterjohn> bah
[09:18] <cutterjohn> just slows it down displaying junk...
[09:18] <kakalto> cutterjohn, in the gentoo installation, I wasn't using a basic util
[09:18] <Samus_Aran> cutterjohn: are you on a 386 with FrameBuffer TTY ?
[09:18] <kakalto> I was typing commands, of all sorts
[09:18] <cutterjohn> Samus_Aran: no, usually I'm killing a few 1000 files
[09:18] <kakalto> to do with networking
[09:18] <kakalto> and other stuff
[09:18] <kakalto> lol
[09:19] <cutterjohn> kakalto: what were you using?
[09:19] <kakalto> I was installing
[09:19] <kakalto> it was a livecd for installation, which booted into a bash-like shell
[09:19] <kakalto> quite possibly bash, himself
[09:19] <kakalto> err itself*
[09:19] <Samus_Aran> cutterjohn: if you are in a 2D-accellerated X11 server (as almost everyone is), or a regular 80x25 text mode console (as a lot of other people are), or in a accellerated FrameBuffer console (as a few people are), then it won't slow down the rm process at all
[09:21] <cutterjohn> Samus_Aran: maybe, maybe not... but I still remember the Sun IPCs and their pseudo text mode... slow as molasses...
[09:21] <kakalto> crap!
[09:21] <cutterjohn> kakalto: probably bash, are you sure it wasn't compiling something or other?  (I've never tried gentoo myself....)
[09:21] <kakalto> I thought it was only 2.7gb
[09:21] <kakalto> it was over 3gb
[09:21] <randabis-laptop> hah
[09:21] <kakalto> and didn't fit on the partition!
[09:21] <cutterjohn> }:)
[09:22] <Samus_Aran> cutterjohn: the hard drive will be the limiting speed factor if you're on a 2D-accellerated text display
[09:22] <kakalto> does cp copy from a-z?
[09:22] <kakalto> ??
[09:22] <Samus_Aran> kakalto: what do you mean ?
[09:22] <froud> where can I get rc3 hoary from a site in the US?
[09:23] <kakalto> like, I go "cp -blah /blah/blah/* /blah /blah/
[09:23] <cutterjohn> Samus_Aran: probably, but old habits are hard to break, and I really don't care to watch file names scroll by at a rate that would, most likely be too fast to read anyways, and if you goofed, it's usually way too late by then anyways...
[09:23] <kakalto> does it copy Directory /blah/blah/blahA first, or /blah/blah/blahB?
[09:23] <randabis-laptop> he means does it copy alphabetically
[09:23] <Samus_Aran> kakalto: you need cp -a or cp -r to copy directories
[09:24] <kakalto> -dpR copies everything, doesn't it
[09:24] <Faustus> does the us mirrors release an ubuntu that is different from non-us versions?
[09:24] <Samus_Aran> I would imagine it copies in the order of the command line
[09:24] <Faustus> encryotion?
[09:24] <Samus_Aran> echo cp -blah /blah/blah/* /blah /blah/
[09:24] <Samus_Aran> kakalto: use -a
[09:24] <Faustus> I'd stay away from us mirrors if I could just in case
[09:24] <kakalto> -a for (A)everything?
[09:24] <froud> Faustus, not that I know of
[09:24] <Samus_Aran> kakalto: -a = -dpR
[09:25] <kakalto> lol
[09:25] <kakalto> is fdisk installed in gentoo?
[09:25] <kakalto> *ubuntu
[09:25] <HappyFool> kakalto: have you read the cp man page? 'man cp'
[09:25] <kakalto> nope, that's what you guys are for ;)
[09:25] <froud> Faustus, OK where can I find a UK mirror that has RC3 hoary
[09:25] <randabis-laptop> I suggested reading man cp like ten minutes ago :p
[09:25] <Samus_Aran> cutterjohn: if you goof and end up erasing your root folder, it gives you time to stop it as it is going through /dev
[09:26] <kakalto> randabis-laptop: Thanks, I'll try it :D
[09:26] <Samus_Aran> cutterjohn: or if it is erasing large files, it gives you time to stop it before it deletes many
[09:26] <kakalto> is fdisk installed in ubuntu?
[09:26] <Samus_Aran> cutterjohn: and /etc is after /dev, so that can be quite important if you haven't backed up lately
[09:26] <Faustus> good question I don't know. Anyone?
[09:26] <jmhodges> kakalto: do you have a ubuntu system?
[09:26] <cutterjohn> Samus_Aran: you must run MFM disks if even a 1G file takes that long to erase
[09:26] <kakalto> yes, I'm currently on it
[09:26] <Samus_Aran> kakalto: cfdisk is generally much nicer to use than fdisk
[09:26] <jmhodges> kakalto: then use synaptic to check :)
[09:26] <kakalto> ahk
[09:27] <Faustus> is that the latest hoary you're after?  It is a moving target
[09:27] <cutterjohn> (of course I'd like to see a 1G+ MFM drive... but...)
[09:27] <kakalto> synaptic?
[09:27] <Samus_Aran> cutterjohn: erasing time depends on the filesystem
[09:27] <kakalto> so cfdisk is installed?
[09:27] <nevyn> is there a standard keybinding to change desktop in metacity?
[09:27] <Faustus> ah you're after the iso
[09:27] <HappyFool> kakalto: try "which <command-name>" to see if that command is in the path
[09:28] <cutterjohn> Samus_Aran: according to my understanding its just a matter of delinking from the directory structure plus whatever free marking of sectors/blocks is required...
[09:28] <Faustus> hold on I'll try to get a link
[09:28] <jmhodges> kakalto: look under Computer and then some sub-menu there.. synaptic is a nice gui pkg management thing for debian and ubuntu
[09:28] <froud> Faustus, yes ISO
[09:29] <Samus_Aran> cutterjohn: if you have 1KB blocks, that involves blanking 1,048,576 inodes/allocation blocks/whatever they are called in the current filesystem
[09:29] <cutterjohn> Samus_Aran: and on top of this if you rm -rf / as root or sudo, you'd most likely be better off re-installing + backup restore even assuming you still had a semi working system left
[09:30] <Samus_Aran> cutterjohn: not everyone backs up regularly, and if you can stop it while it is going through the thousands of files in /dev, you save your /etc folder where most of your critical config files are
[09:30] <kakalto> cfdisk is hard!
[09:30] <froud> Faustus, what about http://archive.ubuntu.com/cdimage/sounder-test/current/
[09:30] <kakalto> fdisk is much easier
[09:30] <Samus_Aran> kakalto: you gotta be kidding
[09:30] <Samus_Aran> kakalto: perhaps you're thinking of MS-DOS FDISK ?
[09:31] <cutterjohn> Samus_Aran: assuming that you don't back up everything regulary, /etc is not big enough that you should be able to backup several archived/compressed copies to a couple of other machines at minimum after every change, or even better cvs it
[09:31] <cutterjohn> Samus_Aran: in fact it should be a cron housekeeping job
[09:31] <Faustus> sorry I was thinking debian.  There was a link for sarge that I must have been thinking about.  Last I heard the hoary cd did not boot
[09:32] <Samus_Aran> cutterjohn: again, *most people* don't bother to back up their files.  anyhow, if you like to be in the dark about what files are being deleted, that is perfectly fine
[09:32] <cutterjohn> daily
[09:32] <kakalto> Samus_Aran, neither seem good :(
[09:32] <Faustus> so why not just upgrade warty to hoary?
[09:32] <Samus_Aran> kakalto: cfdisk is very straight-forward to use.  if you would like help, ask questions
[09:32] <kakalto> actually
[09:32] <kakalto> all I need to do is change the filesystems on 2 different drives
[09:32] <kakalto> how can I do this?>
[09:33] <cutterjohn> Samus_Aran: well, people who don't backup aren't exactly the type of people I'd like to try to support to restore a partially hosed system to functionality without except by fresh re-installation
[09:33] <Buuyo^> I'm trying to configure a bridge to get one IP from dhcp, and one static. http://www.pastebin.com/231990 When I run ifup br0:1 after an ifup br0 I get a peculiar error: Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A) : SET failed on device br0:1 ; Operation not supported.
[09:33] <froud> Faustus, documentation
[09:34] <Faustus> ? you want to know how to upgrade?
[09:34] <chrismurf> under hoary - what is the right way to edit the contents of the "Applications" menu?  Applications:/// doesn't seem to work...
[09:34] <Buuyo^> Am I missing something? eth0 is an ethernet nic
[09:34] <Buuyo^> and br0 is a bridge device
[09:34] <froud> Faustus, no, that I can do
[09:34] <Buuyo^> br0:1 should also be a bridge device, no?
[09:34] <HappyFool> kakalto: 'man mkfs'
[09:34] <Buuyo^> And if so, why is ifup apparently treating it like a wireless device/
[09:34] <Faustus> oh you want to document hoary got it
[09:35] <Samus_Aran> cutterjohn: if you have an intact /etc, you can at least save your system configuration for after the reinstall.  I wasn't saying not to reinstall
[09:35] <Faustus> did you go to the donload sites and search the mirrors?
[09:35] <kakalto> cfdisk is being silly to me
[09:36] <kakalto> it says it can't write the partition table
[09:36] <kakalto> "Wrote partition table, but re-read table failed. Reboot to update table."
[09:36] <kakalto> oh
[09:36] <kakalto> bye
[09:38] <randabis-laptop> is there a web-based browseable list of available ubuntu packages?
[09:38] <Stew2> Does anyone have a comment? I've got ubuntu upgraded. Synptic failed. I ran apt-get. I think xfree86 has switched to xorg. I'm running hoary. I'm limited to 640x480 x 60 hz
[09:39] <chrismurf> what is applications:/// called in hoary.
[09:39] <randabis-laptop> probably your xorg.conf
[09:39] <Faustus> froud:
[09:39] <Samus_Aran> goodnight all
[09:39] <froud> mdz, once I have array-3 where do I do upgrades from
[09:39] <Faustus> still there?
[09:39] <mdz> chrismurf: there is no facility to edit the Applications menu in hoary
[09:39] <mdz> froud: the system checks for updates automatically, once per day
[09:39] <chrismurf> mdz: oh - so you just have to edit the things by hand???
[09:39] <froud> Faustus, mdz has given me some directions here
[09:40] <subterrific> mdz: why not? what happened to the edit menu item?
[09:40] <mdz> froud: you'll see an icon appear in the notification area (near top-right) if there are updates available
[09:40] <mdz> froud: then you click on it, and that starts the upgrade process
[09:40] <Faustus> ftp://releases.ubuntu.com/cdimage/weekly-dvd/current/
[09:40] <froud> mdz ok something like YasT Online Update
[09:40] <froud> mdz, do I use the default location or is there another
[09:40] <mdz> subterrific: the GNOME menu system changed, and there isn't a menu editing facility for the new system
[09:41] <chrismurf> mdz: Why is that?  It was clunky enough before, but having a uri was better than nothing...
[09:41] <subterrific> mdz: gotcha
[09:41] <mdz> froud: you use the default, unless you have a problem with it
[09:41] <Faustus> ftp://releases.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily-live/current/
[09:41] <groklem> anyone had any success w/ ndiswrapper? had it working under fedora
[09:41] <froud> mdz, Faustus OK thanks
[09:41] <groklem> installed ndiswrapper-utils
[09:42] <nevyn> keybinding for changing desktops??
[09:42] <randabis-laptop> so there's NO way at add menu entries in hoary?
[09:42] <chrismurf> randabis-laptop: apparently not
[09:43] <chrismurf> other than editing the text files, which I now cannot find
[09:43] <mdz> of course there is; otherwise there would be none there :-)
[09:43] <Get> Hi! Now I've installed ubuntu, but I haven't set any rootpassword, how to set it?
[09:43] <mdz> but I suppose you would need to create a .desktop file
[09:43] <mdz> Get: this is answered in the FAQ
[09:44] <subterrific> Get: you don't need a root password, you can use sudo to do everything
[09:44] <nevyn> Get: you don't...
[09:44] <randabis-laptop> a .desktop file in /home?
[09:44] <chrismurf> there is stuff in .gnome2/vfolders which should allow me to add it for just me
[09:44] <chrismurf> now I'm trying to find the place to add for all useres
[09:45] <mdz> Stew2: how long ago did this happen?  a bug like that was fixed in hoary recently
[09:45] <subterrific> read up on the freedesktop.org standard for menus
[09:45] <subterrific> thats what gnome uses now
[09:45] <chrismurf> tnx subt - will do
[09:45] <chrismurf> is an editor coming anytime soon?
[09:45] <chrismurf> that you know of?
[09:45] <subterrific> probably, i'm pretty sure they already have python libraries to edit the files
[09:46] <mdz> chrismurf, anyone else wondering about menu editing: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5471
[09:46] <chrismurf> okay - that's promising
[09:46] <chrismurf> randabis-laptop, http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/menu-spec-0.9.html
[09:46] <Get> mdz: k, thx
[09:47] <randabis-laptop> I'm reading it
[09:48] <Stew2> mdz this was within the last 12 hours. I ran synaptic, it closed suddenly while updating, after it had downloaded hundreds of megabytes of data. When I tried to close and reopen X, it wouldn't restart. So I ran apt-get and it didn't do very much, save tell me it was not installing xorg xserver core. So I told it to explicitly. I reconfigured X with what people on this channel told me to do. It's up and running, only at 640x480 60hz.
[09:48] <randabis-laptop> gah this is kinda blegh
[09:48] <chrismurf> mdz: Thank you (though that bug makes me sad :-) )
[09:48] <daniels> mdz: stunningly, Stew2 has a recent monitor that doesn't do DDC
[09:48] <nevyn> hrm
[09:49] <subterrific> woah
[09:49] <subterrific> what monitor?
[09:49] <Stew2> daniels: Yup. I would think it would. Let me look on the back. These micron monitors are re-branded.
[09:49] <daniels> subterrific: some form of LCD
[09:49] <Get> eeh, when I try to run any sys config program in gnome with requies root access I got this error: Failed to run users-admin as user root:
[09:49] <Get>  Child terminated with 1 status
[09:50] <Stew2> Micron LM-1764
[09:50] <pw> Wow. ubuntu installs an awful lot of Python stuff.
[09:50] <Get> nm
[09:51] <subterrific> mdz: what were you and froud talking about that adds a notification icon for updates?
[09:51] <Stew2> 17 in. ADI MicronScan LM1764 17VX Monitor w/ Micron Logo (MNN001024)
[09:54] <cutterjohn> ubuntu has an apparent affinity for python, other than its horrid whitespace delimitation its not bad
[09:55] <cutterjohn> ...and not nearly as obscufatable as perl...
[09:55] <subterrific> making code readable is horrid
[09:55] <daniels> Stew2: oh, adi.
[09:55] <cutterjohn> yes, shades of FORTRAN regardless of what drivel the python people say...
[09:55] <daniels> Stew2: although my old ADI CRT I never use does DDC
[09:56] <Stew2> Lookin it up.
[09:56] <geoffj> ruby would have been a nicer chooice rather than python; so I think :)
[09:57] <subterrific> anyone have array-3 installed? apparently it installs an applet that notifies you of updates?
[09:57] <cutterjohn> yes, but slower...
[09:57] <subterrific> ruby's stdlib isn't nearly as complete
[09:57] <cutterjohn> lua have been nice too, but its not really usable for anything largish...
[09:58] <kakalto> do I have to "mkfs" to my fat32 partition?
[09:58] <geoffj> I'm a ruby zealot, from a programming point-of-view it is heaven
[09:58] <QT> hi
[09:58] <subterrific> i've read a lot about it in the past, but something always turns me off about it
[09:59] <cutterjohn> I'm a whatever scripting language that is NOT a functional based language and NOT whitespace delimited type of scripter...
[09:59] <QT> is it possible to install ubuntu without CD-DVD drive?
[09:59] <cutterjohn> (...and not easily obfuscated...)
[09:59] <subterrific> i think complaining about whitespace is ridiculous, have you even tried to use python?
[10:00] <geoffj> cutterjohn: IOW; not perl or python :)
[10:00] <kakalto> do I have to "mkfs" to my fat32 partition?
[10:00] <cutterjohn> yes spacing all the way across the screen woohoo
[10:00] <subterrific> see, you're just being silly
[10:00] <cutterjohn> geoffj: yes
[10:00] <geoffj> subterrific: white matters a lot when you paste code samples and the indenting get screwed
[10:00] <kakalto> anyone?
[10:00] <subterrific> geoffj: which is why you use a sane editor
[10:01] <QT> i have a laptop with a broken DVD drive, but have an old linux on there. can i somehow install ubuntu on that brick?
[10:01] <cutterjohn> or a prettifier
[10:01] <subterrific> white space matters a lot more when you're reading other peoples code
[10:01] <QT> kakalto: did you create that partition right now? does it contain data?
[10:01] <subterrific> and that is what makes python a joy to use
[10:01] <geoffj> subterrific: try just using gaim or something, or work with people using different editors with diff length for tab
[10:01] <cutterjohn> sure...
[10:01] <subterrific> you can read anyones code
[10:01] <subterrific> because everyone's code is formatted the same
[10:01] <kakalto> QT: I just created it, it has no data
[10:02] <kakalto> but there is no mkfs far
[10:02] <kakalto> *fat
[10:02] <cutterjohn> really, I can read anyone C, C++, Pascal, Delphi, etc ad nauseum just fine
[10:02] <kakalto> or fat32
[10:02] <subterrific> geoffj: thats what web pastebins are for
[10:02] <cutterjohn> whitespace does NOT help me
[10:02] <QT> kakalto: then install it! dosfstools or so is the package called
[10:02] <geoffj> subterrific: In emacs I just grab any code, hit a key and it is formatted (except for python)
[10:02] <subterrific> geoffj: and all good editors handle different tab lengths
[10:02] <subterrific> geoffj: emacs does that for python too
[10:02] <subterrific> geoffj: so does vim
[10:02] <geoffj> subterrific: but not when many standards are used
[10:03] <kakalto> QT, does it come with ubuntu?
[10:03] <kakalto> or do I have to apt-get it or something
[10:03] <subterrific> geoffj: there is even a built in module in python to fix that problem
[10:03] <QT> kakalto: don't know
[10:03] <kakalto> I do
[10:03] <kakalto> just found out
[10:03] <kakalto> :)
[10:04] <kakalto> sadly I have to download it
[10:04] <geoffj> subterrific: sounds interesting, I can't see how it works but I've only spent about a day with python.
[10:04] <cutterjohn> geoffj: I've spent longer than that with it because some things Im interested in insist on using, and I still HATE the white space delimitation, and do NOT find it helpful
[10:05] <kakalto> how can I get a package?
[10:05] <subterrific> cutterjohn: whitespacedoeshelpyouithelpseveryoneandifyoudontthinksothenyoushouldremoveyourspacebarandtypeeverythinglikethisbecauseitwouldbereallyeasyforyoutoreadright
[10:05] <melazyboy2> ...
[10:06] <cutterjohn> subterrific: lets not go overboard, specifically white space and statement delimitation
[10:06] <melazyboy2> can anyone more 13
[10:06] <melazyboy2> be more 13*
[10:06] <geoffj> subterrific: I think cutterjohn means as a scoping delimiter
[10:06] <kakalto> how can I get a package, if it's not listed under my package manager?
[10:06] <kakalto> I want dosfstools
[10:07] <cutterjohn> geoffj: I meant for whatever sort of delimitation that python uses it for, which is pretty much everything
[10:07] <subterrific> i'm just making the point that whitespace is useful for reading, be it code or anything else
[10:08] <kakalto> wow
[10:08] <kakalto> my APT has Super Cow Powers
[10:08] <cutterjohn> yes its useful for reading, but not when used in excess
[10:08] <pvh> Where can I get codecs for Ubuntu?
[10:08] <stuNNed> subterrific, whitespace can get in the way for text files, no?
[10:08] <cutterjohn> e.g. python
[10:08] <cutterjohn> e.g. FORTRAN
[10:08] <daniels> ok, I think the language flamewar is now well and truly offtopic
[10:08] <stuNNed> lol
[10:08] <stuNNed> african!
[10:09] <subterrific> pvh: that is answered in the FAQ
[10:09] <jmhodges> offtopic sounds more than right
[10:09] <geoffj> subterrific: what about the following: "def foo:\nx=1\nx=2" how can emacs indent that?
[10:09] <stuNNed> daniels, hi, is it true some of the cd's shipped were burnt badly?
[10:09] <Stew2> Can anyone explain the following and how to fix it? http://pastebin.com/232000
[10:09] <pvh> subterrific: Thanks.
[10:09] <jmhodges> Stew2: thats not an issue
[10:09] <cutterjohn> geoffj: you can get emacs(or even vim for that matter or most other text editors) to reformat just about anything to anything that you might want...
[10:10] <jmhodges> Stew2: its just saying that that repo does not have a gpg key that you can reach
[10:10] <Stew2> jmhodges Just ignore the error then, apt-get will still work?
[10:10] <jmhodges> Stew2: don't worry about it, its just a warning.
[10:10] <jmhodges> Stew2: exactly
[10:10] <subterrific> geoffj: it can't, that isn't valid python. what it can do is take valid python and reformat it all to match one standard
[10:10] <cutterjohn> (or preprocess with prettifiers, tr, perl, awk, sed, whatever)
[10:11] <jmhodges> geoffj: he means that foo should have () between foo and :
[10:11] <kakalto> could geoffj and subterrific please go to #ubuntu-offtopic to discuss non-ubuntu topics.
[10:11] <geoffj> cutterjohn: I mean if x=1 is indented but x=2 is not you get a different program than if x=2 is indented. Hence emacs can't indent that automatically for you but subterrific said it could (so I interpreted)
[10:11] <jmhodges> ok, you know what yeah
[10:11] <jmhodges> thats exactly right
[10:11] <jmhodges> geoffj: subterrific: off you go :)
[10:12] <cutterjohn> geoffj: I see what you're really getting at, I wasn't paying attention, but yes you could still do it, but it would have to be case-by-case
[10:12] <cutterjohn> geoffj: and would be non-deterministic
[10:12] <Stew2> How often is hoary being updated? It seems constant.
[10:12] <jmhodges> Stew2: yep, its the unstable branch
[10:12] <cutterjohn> geoffj: and I think that we were declared offtopic anyways
[10:12] <jmhodges> its where all the neat, new toys are
[10:12] <geoffj> cutterjohn: I think so :)
[10:13] <jmhodges> Stew2: warty remains mostly stable, witha  few necessary updates once in a while
[10:13] <cutterjohn> geoffj: maybe we should insist on rewriting everything in Ada?
[10:13] <jmhodges> Stew2: hoary will eat your soul..
[10:13] <jmhodges> but who needs it?
[10:13] <geoffj> cutterjohn: lol
[10:13] <Stew2> well, it looks like things are back to normalish. I'll leave this session of xchat and move back to the ubuntu machine.
[10:13] <kakalto> could someone please tell me how to make a partition fat32 under ubuntu?
[10:13] <Stew2> jmhodges it hasn't yet. give it time.
[10:14] <jmhodges> hehe
[10:14] <Stew2> exit
[10:14] <cutterjohn> geoffj: then we could maybe get DARPA funding...
[10:14] <kakalto> the partition is currently not fat32, so windows likely won't recognize it
[10:15] <kakalto> not that I would know what app to use under win
[10:19] <kakalto> ...
[10:19] <kakalto> anyone?
[10:20] <daniels> stuNNed: er, I don't know.  first I've heard of it.  and bear in mind they were pressed, not burned.
[10:20] <pvh> subterrific: The faq was a little light on detail and didn't answer my specific question about getting MP3s to work in Rhythm-Box.
[10:20] <melazyboy2> kakalto: Do you need to retain data?
[10:20] <subterrific> pvh: you need the gstreamer-mad plugin
[10:20] <melazyboy2> kakalto: Or can you lose the data in the space you want to partition
[10:20] <kakalto> yes
[10:20] <kakalto> I have made the partition
[10:21] <stuNNed> daniels, k thanks cuz dr so and so at uni tried the livecd on her compaq laptop and once got past grub black screen
[10:21] <kakalto> but I want it to be fat32
[10:21] <kakalto> so that both win and linux can access it
[10:21] <melazyboy2> kakalto: use cfdisk
[10:21] <randabis-laptop> hmmm captive-ntfs...
[10:21] <kakalto> that doesn't put a filesystem onto the partition
[10:21] <kakalto> cfdisk partitions it.
[10:22] <pvh> subterrific: I must need to enable Universal in SPM...
[10:22] <daniels> stuNNed: it could be that Linux just has trouble with her laptop
[10:22] <kakalto> you tell cfdisk "linux.", then you need to do "mkfs -t ext3 /dev/hda*"
[10:22] <kakalto> with the star as the proper no.
[10:22] <kakalto> when you tell cfdisk "fat32.", then you need to make give it the filesystem
[10:22] <stuNNed> daniels, it's a new compaq, i haven't searched on the net for it, really haven't had the time but she said the cd might be bad and test it on another machine which i didn't have time to do, sorry :(
[10:23] <kakalto> but I don't trust the windows formatter
[10:23] <stuNNed> daniels, being beginning of the semester been busy building labs
[10:23] <Stew2> It seems my monitor does not support DDC. That grail scene from indian jones Choosen -Poorly-. At least, I don't have to die.
[10:23] <kakalto> I suppose I'll just have to
[10:24] <kakalto> I can't see anything on the net
[10:24] <subterrific> pvh: yup
[10:24] <Stew2> The monitor is flickering, tho.
[10:24] <pvh> subterrific: And there she is. Thanks!
[10:24] <Stew2> How do I set the refresh rates, what file do I edit?
[10:25] <kakalto> x11-config?
[10:25] <Stew2> it's xorg now instead of xfree86, I think... Does that make any difference in the config file name?
[10:26] <melazyboy2> Stew2: yes
[10:26] <kakalto> I'm not sure exactly where it is, and x11 is xorg
[10:26] <melazyboy2> Stew2: XFree86-4 = xorg.conf
[10:26] <stuNNed> x11ewlios
[10:27] <Stew2> melazyboy2 Is there an app I can run to go through the display setup process. Everything else is working so far.
[10:27] <Stew2> Hoary is neat.
[10:27] <melazyboy2> Stew2: Just copy the numbers off the back of your montier put them in the Horiz and Vert refresh rates in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:27] <tuxJr_14> hi
[10:28] <kakalto> could someone please link me up with a general linux forum, the bigger the better?
[10:28] <Stew2> thks
[10:28] <zeedo> www,linuxquestions.org
[10:28] <kakalto> thanks
[10:28] <zeedo> kakalto: ^ pretty much the biggest generic one I beleive
[10:28] <zeedo> np :)
[10:29] <pvh> subterrific: Again, thanks for your advice.
[10:29] <melazyboy2> Stew2: additionally you can go Desktop->Administration->Screen Resolution in Gnome
[10:31] <Stew2> melazyboy2 the only choice is 60 hz
[10:31] <melazyboy2> Stew2: Ah just edit xorg.conf then its not hard
[10:32] <daniels> melazyboy2: (fwiw, i've fixed the bug already)
[10:32] <daniels> Stew2: if you run XORG_FORCE_PROBE=yes XORG_SYNC_RANGES=yes sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg, it will do that for you
[10:32] <melazyboy2> daniels: What bug are you referring too?
[10:33] <Stew2> daniels It's not a DCC monitor, member?
[10:33] <daniels> melazyboy2: basically, at the moment, it won't write out sync ranges if the monitor doesn't do DDC properly
[10:34] <daniels> i've fixed that locally yesterday
[10:34] <Stew2> I got the xorg.conf file open. I'm in the right section. I've just got to pull up the website with the info. I don't think the back of the monitor has it.
[10:34] <daniels> Stew2: yah, but XORG_SYNC_RANGES=yes tells it to write out sync ranges it works out itself
[10:34] <Stew2> permenant pen out to fix it!
[10:34] <rython> hi
[10:34] <Stew2> daniels I did run that command earlier.
[10:34] <daniels> oh, wack
[10:36] <Stew2> ADI MicroScan 5V
[10:36] <Stew2> yeah, you get some sleep and then a nice massage ;)
[10:36] <kakalto> stew2, search on the internet for your monitor specs if you don't have them
[10:37] <tim> can anyone tell me how to see my bios manufacturer and version without rebooting?
[10:38] <kakalto> tim: can anyone tell me how to see whether my car needs washing without going into the garage?
[10:39] <randabis-laptop> telescope!
[10:39] <tim> kakalto: heehee hmmm ok... thought there might be a way to find it in /proc or something
[10:39] <tim> kakalto: since I would have thought the kernel would know that info
[10:40] <kakalto> tim, possibly, but... I don't really know
[10:40] <kakalto> I wouldn't expect so
[10:41] <kakalto> tim, have you ever seen what version of bios you have from any other OS?
[10:42] <randabis-laptop> I have :p
[10:42] <kakalto> do tell
[10:42] <randabis-laptop> abit's flash utility
[10:42] <randabis-laptop> in windows
[10:42] <tim> kakalto: no, I haven't.  But I kind of figured that if the linux kernel is deciding not to load APCI support because it reckons my bios is too old, it might have the info swhere
[10:42] <randabis-laptop> called flashmenu I think
[10:42] <kakalto> I hate bios problems
[10:43] <kakalto> they're evil
[10:43] <randabis-laptop> hmm
[10:43] <randabis-laptop> that's an idea...
[10:43] <randabis-laptop> run flashmenu in wine...heh
[10:44] <davepet> Prolly won't work unless you have an abit board anyway
[10:46] <davepet> I don't *think* it's the kernel making the decision, in any event, most likely the install routine did that.
[10:47] <tim> davepet: so even if I find an update for the bios, it might not be checking each time?
[10:48] <davepet> bios runs b4 the os even sees the light of day
[10:48] <melazyboy2> Is there anyway to make console fonts, not term fonts smaller?
[10:49] <davepet> it tells your machine how to find the HD where the MDR is
[10:49] <davepet> MBR, sorry
[10:50] <tim> I did find a utility called biosdecode but it doesn't really seem to have the info I want
[10:50] <daniels> tim: try sudo dmidecode
[10:50] <Cappe_Ubuntu> ciao
[10:51] <tim> daniels: that command doesn't exist on my system
[10:51] <daniels> tim: sudo apt-get install dmidecode
[10:51] <daniels> it should be installed on any Ubuntu system, though
[10:51] <daniels>         BIOS Information
[10:51] <daniels>                 Vendor: Phoenix Technologies, LTD
[10:51] <daniels>                 Version: 6.00 PG
[10:51] <daniels>                 Release Date: 09/09/2002
[10:51] <daniels> [...]
[10:52] <Cappe_Ubuntu> do you know url of irc ubuntu italian channel?
[10:52] <daniels> #ubuntu-it
[10:52] <tim> daniels: Actually does exist, I misread what you typed. Great, that's what I was looking for
[10:52] <tim>     BIOS Information
[10:52] <tim>                 Vendor: Dell Computer Corporation
[10:52] <tim>                 Version: A02
[10:52] <tim>                 Release Date: 11/30/2000
[10:52] <tim>                 Address: 0xF0000
[10:52] <tim>                 Runtime Size: 64 kB
[10:53] <tim>                 ROM Size: 512 kB
[10:53] <tim>                 Characteristics:
[10:53] <tim> sorry to dump into the channel, it was more than I thought
[10:53] <davepet> It's highly likely there is a newer bios fr that machine
[10:55] <Cappe_Ubuntu> thanks
[10:55] <spiral> hi
[10:55] <davepet> This Dell Lattitude CPiA 366XT is on bios version A15
[10:55] <kakalto> what is the ubuntu text-based editor?
[10:56] <kakalto> not gedit, but...
[10:56] <kakalto> ?
[10:56] <melazyboy2> kakalto: its horrid, use gvim =D
[10:56] <subterrific> kakalto: nano and vim are installed by defualt i think
[10:56] <kakalto> kewl.
[10:57] <melazyboy2> so is gnome-emacs
[10:57] <subterrific> kakalto: if you don't know vi, i recommend nano
[10:57] <kakalto> nano is my favourite
[10:57] <kakalto> I used it when installing gentoo
[10:57] <subterrific> melazyboy2: gnome-emacs is definitely not installed by default
[10:58] <kakalto> isn't emacs native to kde?
[10:58] <daniels> er, no
[10:58] <daniels> emacs predates kde by about ... ten years, I think
[10:59] <subterrific> in fact, what is gnome-emacs?
[10:59] <daniels> emacs with a gtk/gnome frontend
[10:59] <subterrific> don't see a package for it
[10:59] <kakalto> what is emacs native to?
[10:59] <subterrific> i thought there was only xemacs and emacs
[10:59] <kakalto> there's winemacs
[10:59] <subterrific> kakalto: the console
[10:59] <kakalto> win-emacs
[11:00] <kakalto> not wine-macs
[11:00] <kakalto> :P
[11:00] <daniels> i think emacs even predates x
[11:00] <subterrific> pretty sure it does
[11:01] <kakalto> well, I'm gonna hit the sack
[11:01] <kakalto> g'night all
[11:01] <daniels> iirc emacs is ~1983; x11r1 came out in 1986
[11:01] <davepet> I hate to interupt this text editor discussion ;o) but anyone know how long the cd's are taking these days? I ordered at the end of Nov & still waiting
[11:02] <daniels> davepet: it depends -- they get sent out in batches
[11:02] <davej> hello all
[11:02] <daniels> davepet: i believe the next batch is due to be sent out in a couple of weeks
[11:03] <davej> I downloaded the ISO and burned to a CD-R
[11:03] <davepet> 28.8 here, dl is not viable
[11:03] <davej> oh, sorry
[11:03] <davej> can a friend download?
[11:03] <davepet> me too
[11:04] <davepet> it's complicated
[11:04] <davepet> but possible
[11:04] <davej> what city are you in?
[11:04] <neofeed> is there a graphical tool to configure cron?
[11:04] <davepet> I'm out in the boonies
[11:05] <davepet> no city w/in0 mile
[11:05] <davepet> 40 miles
[11:06] <frop> hallo
[11:06] <davej> Then if someone burned a CD-R and mail that would solve the problem
[11:06] <davej> hello frop
[11:07] <frop> i've some problems installing ubuntu on a p200
[11:07] <davepet> I figured the cd offer was better than talking a win user into doing the DL ;o)
[11:07] <frop> debian/ubuntu installer locks itself at 33%
[11:07] <frop> of the base system
[11:07] <davej> frop did you try the diag option?
[11:07] <frop> ?
[11:08] <frop> expert mode?
[11:08] <davej> that worked for me on the liveCD boot, it is the last menu choice in 4.10 liveCD
[11:08] <frop> davej tell me...
[11:08] <frop> please...
[11:08] <frop> mmm
[11:08] <frop> no
[11:09] <frop> i've neither see it
[11:10] <davej> When booting the LiveCD 4.10 the last choice on the menu is Diagnostic ... that work on a problem system for me
[11:10] <frop> another time on "Installing core packages..."
[11:10] <frop> ...and i'm installing 5.xx
[11:11] <frop> i had this problem on other old hw too
[11:12] <frop> davej trying now
[11:15] <davej> hello zer0
[11:15] <davepet> davej: yes, if someone could burn & mail, problem solved...the officia cd's could then *all* be given away when they get here
[11:17] <davepet> I'm in between Saramento. Ca & Reno, Nv, if anyone is offering....
[11:17] <zer0`> hi davej
[11:17] <davej> hello
[11:18] <davej> davepet: address?
[11:18] <davej> PO Box maybe?
[11:18] <davepet> PO Box 97 Emigrant Gap, Ca 95715
[11:19] <davepet> Yeah I *know* I shouldn't post that ;o)
[11:19] <davej> :-)
[11:20] <davepet> he he
[11:20] <davepet> Junk mail makes good fire starter
[11:20] <davej> or padding
[11:21] <davepet> I figure I burn a 1/2 cord a year
[11:21] <davej> PO BOX 97, EMIGRANT GAP CA, 95715-0097
[11:21] <davepet> ?? looks right to me
[11:22] <davej> burning now... sending from Campbell, CA
[11:22] <davej> how much postage does a CD-R need?
[11:22] <davepet> Thank you, I've been saving a place for Ubuntu since I ordered it
[11:23] <davej> it works well on my laptop and desktop,  oh, I just have the LiveCD 4.10 not the install version :-)
[11:23] <davepet> No Idea, let me know & I'll send it back to you, plus a little for the effort & mat'l
[11:24] <randabis-laptop> dang apple's stock is up 213%
[11:24] <davej> iPods and minimacs
[11:25] <randabis-laptop> yeah
[11:25] <randabis-laptop> I'd like to have a mac mini myself :)
[11:25] <frop> very beauty a macmini...
[11:26] <davej> davepet: are you needing LiveCD or Install CD?
[11:26] <tim> once you start thinking about all the stuff you'd want like superdriver, bluetooth, wireless keyboard and mouse (to keep the level of style) it gets expensive...
[11:26] <xukun> crimsun, do you think you could make the time to help me with my nvidia card?
[11:26] <frop> tim: sure...
[11:26] <frop> like 1000
[11:27] <frop> btw...it's 16.5x16.5x5
[11:27] <zoyd> hi
[11:27] <tim> frop: so it's low satisfaction because if you buy the base model you will want the extra stuff, but if you get it you didn't get a budget system anymore :( ;-)
[11:28] <frop> tim: btw...it so sweety
[11:28] <frop> :)
[11:28] <frop> ...and with a good lcd...
[11:28] <frop> wow
[11:29] <frop> my next desktop...when i'll have money
[11:29] <tim> frop: What OS would you run?
[11:29] <davepet> davej:I'll take either, but I want to install, eventally. Everything I hear tells me Ubuntu is going to knock my socks off.
[11:29] <frop> tim: where?
[11:29] <frop> on a macmini?
[11:29] <frop> :)
[11:30] <tim> yes
[11:30] <frop> osx
[11:30] <frop> what a question!!
[11:30] <davej> davepet: Linspire is nice too, but not free like Ubuntu
[11:30] <Nap> hello
[11:30] <tim> frop: Would be a great environment, but something in my always rebels against the idea of going proprietry.
[11:30] <randabis-laptop> I would get the 599 model
[11:31] <frop> tim: eheh
[11:31] <tim> and then I think, well if I'm running linux, mayas well just go x86 for cheaper hardware
[11:31] <rovragge> I want to stay with ubuntu with my current packages but use debian sid for everything not already installed from hoary. I started with debian sid and added some hoary pkgs. Those work fine. Now I want to revert to sid for the rest. How?
[11:31] <frop> sure...installing ubuntu on a p200
[11:32] <xukun> crimsun, are you in?
[11:32] <davej> hello Nap
[11:32] <zoyd> i just finished installing ... it doesn't seem to have asked for a root password
[11:32] <randabis-laptop> root is disabled
[11:32] <Nap> how can I report a bug for hoary ?
[11:32] <zoyd> oh
[11:32] <Nap> on bugzilla there are only warty packages
[11:33] <davepet> davej: I've heard...I've been using Xandros for 2 years now, actually...looking for a bit more control over my desktop & better performance on my old HW
[11:33] <zoyd> randabis-laptop: how do i login as root?
[11:33] <randabis-laptop> ubuntu uses the sudo system rather than a traditional root account
[11:33] <zoyd> oh
[11:33] <randabis-laptop> you can enable root if you wish though
[11:34] <zoyd> 'sudo root'?
[11:34] <randabis-laptop> sudo passwd root actually
[11:34] <xukun> zoyd, dont unable it. U just dont need it
[11:34] <randabis-laptop> after root is given a password things like su - work etc
[11:35] <davej> I bought a server from SC420 small business server from Dell, 2.5Ghz Celeron, 80GB SATA HDD and 512MB Ram for $229 at the end
[11:35] <zoyd> ok, how do i use as a sudo user?
[11:35] <davej> of last year
[11:35] <tim> zoyd: say you want to run a command as root, you do sudo <command>
[11:35] <davej> but now its back to 375 for a P4
[11:35] <tim> zoyd: then it will ask for a passwd, put your passwd in
[11:36] <xukun> that would be just your normal user passwd
[11:36] <zoyd> ok, done.
[11:36] <zoyd> cool
[11:36] <Nermal> helloo..
[11:36] <Nermal> just upgraded to hoary
[11:36] <randabis-laptop> if you get annoyed with typing sudo over and over again, you can also open a root terminal
[11:36] <Nermal>  upgraded 844 packages, fell asleep during the config, battery died sometime in the night, and everything is upgraded and working perfectly
[11:36] <randabis-laptop> it's in system tools
[11:37] <Nermal> I'm well impressed :)
[11:37] <randabis-laptop> cool
[11:37] <stuNNed> is it normal to use more swap than memory?
[11:38] <frop> davej: there's no Diagnostic on my menu
[11:38] <randabis-laptop> I use a lot more memory than swap
[11:38] <xukun> stuNNed, sure
[11:38] <frop> ...only a CD check integrity
[11:39] <stuNNed> xukun, using like over 300mb out of over 400mb of swap and only 300mb of memory, that's ok?
[11:39] <zoyd> to get a exported X app on this ubuntu box ... should i remove "-nolisten tcp" from where X is started?
[11:39] <subterrific> zoyd: you run the X server on the machine you want to see the app on
[11:39] <Nermal> just use ssh -X ? :)
[11:39] <xukun> stuNNed, that is ok if you can miss it
[11:41] <stuNNed> xukun, is there any way to flush the swap partition besides rebooting?
[11:41] <zoyd> i'll try
[11:42] <davepet> stuNNed:how mch RAM do you have?
[11:42] <stuNNed> davej, 1024
[11:42] <frop> so...no...it's not normale
[11:42] <frop> :)
[11:42] <stuNNed> really?
[11:43] <frop> well...before using swap...it should use your free RAM
[11:43] <ajmitch> stuNNed: my box with 1GB RAM can easily use that much swap
[11:43] <stuNNed> 341mem used/307swap used
[11:43] <stuNNed> ajmitch, k
[11:43] <ajmitch> because a lot of that RAM will be used for cache & buffers
[11:43] <ajmitch> and this can be tuned :)
[11:44] <xukun> stuNNed, sorry dont know that
[11:44] <davepet> stuNNed: Linux tends to use up all the ram FIRST, B4 using swap
[11:45] <subterrific> stuNNed: where are you getting those stats?
[11:45] <stuNNed> ajmitch, doesn't look like alot of cache is being used at this point '61% is in use of which 21% is cache'
[11:45] <stuNNed> subterrific, applets and system monitor
[11:45] <zoyd> subterrific: "X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting."
[11:46] <frop> stuNNed: try top on a console
[11:46] <frop> Mem:    385892k total,   382464k used,     3428k free,      964k buffers
[11:46] <frop> Swap:   374968k total,    12172k used,   362796k free,   200700k cached
[11:46] <davej> im back
[11:46] <stuNNed> frop, k
[11:47] <subterrific> stuNNed: btw that can be normal
[11:47] <frop> btw...apllets should be right
[11:47] <subterrific> stuNNed: it depends on what you have running
[11:47] <stuNNed> Mem:    906736k total,   539584k used,   367152k free,     6928k buffers
[11:47] <stuNNed> Swap:   500428k total,   296992k used,   203436k free,   191420k cached
[11:48] <stuNNed> subterrific, i got lots of stuff open
[11:48] <subterrific> stuNNed: the linux kernel does a really good job handling swap and memory
[11:48] <subterrific> stuNNed: basically, you don't need to worry about it
[11:48] <subterrific> :)
[11:48] <stuNNed> k thnx
[11:48] <stuNNed> :)
[11:49] <ajmitch> subterrific: although I can easily fill both ram & swap here :)
[11:49] <zoyd> later
[11:49] <stuNNed> most of swap is cache :D
[11:49] <davepet> stuNNed: Sorry, but something's wrong if it's not using all your RAM b4 sing swap
[11:49] <subterrific> davepet: no it isn't
[11:49] <Soulstorm> I need someone to help me - I have trouble getting the nvidia drivers to work
[11:50] <Soulstorm> more spesifically nvidia-glx
[11:50] <davepet> Well, it always works that way here
[11:50] <subterrific> davepet: if you're using linux, it doesn't
[11:50] <Soulstorm> anybody done it before?
[11:50] <scylax> hi
[11:51] <scylax> anyone here uses the eagle-usb driver ?
[11:51] <xukun> I,m doomed to use the nv module for my hoary laptop, becouse apt-get install nvidia-glx installs the 6629 driver which dont work for me, the 6111 always worked fine for me
[11:51] <frop> grrr...it's not working!!!
[11:52] <Soulstorm> xukun: apt-get says the nvidia-glx package has been removed or something...
[11:52] <Soulstorm> apt-cache sees it, but when I try to install...nothing
[11:52] <subterrific> davepet: some things get swapped just because they aren't being used, in anticipation of possibly needing that space for something new
[11:52] <davepet> I\well, some don't consider Xandros Linux ;o), but yeah whenever I bother to check, RAM is maxed out & swap is almost empty.
[11:53] <davepet> mIGHT JUST BE MY USEAGE PATTERNS, THOUGH
[11:53] <davepet> Soryy, cap lock
[11:54] <ephemeral> is 4.10 the latest ver?
[11:54] <xukun> Soulstorm, sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[11:54] <davepet> Sheech  *hate* laptop keyboards....
[11:55] <xukun> ephemeral, yes
[11:55] <Soulstorm> how do i dl new packages
[11:55] <ephemeral> whats the Hoary Array CD? is that for clusters?
[11:55] <xukun> like what?
[11:55] <subterrific> Soulstorm: Computer->System Configuration->Synaptic
[11:55] <subterrific> ephemeral: that is a new beta
[11:56] <subterrific> ephemeral: not recommended for general use yet
[11:56] <ephemeral> ah ok
[11:56] <Soulstorm> subterrific: can I get new packages from ubuntu.org using the package manager?
[11:56] <ephemeral> soulstorm, u need to use the Synaptic tool
[11:57] <subterrific> subterrific: yes, Synaptic is the tool to do it
[11:57] <subterrific> err Soulstorm
[11:58] <ephemeral> btw, is Ubuntu considering multiple WMs in the future?
[11:58] <Soulstorm> xukun:derick@stoomtrein:~ $ sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[11:58] <Soulstorm> Reading Package Lists... Done
[11:58] <Soulstorm> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[11:58] <Soulstorm> Package nvidia-glx is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[11:58] <Soulstorm> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[11:58] <Soulstorm> is only available from another source
[11:58] <Soulstorm> E: Package nvidia-glx has no installation candidate
[11:58] <Soulstorm> derick@stoomtrein:
[11:58] <subterrific> Soulstorm: apt-get update ?
[11:58] <Soulstorm> subterrific: synaptic - I don't have any trouble getting the packages off the cd
[11:59] <Soulstorm> synaptic: but nothing off the web
[11:59] <xukun> Soulstorm, yes do that first
[11:59] <Soulstorm> subterrific: is there an option I am overlooking?
[11:59] <subterrific> Soulstorm: sounds like you need to refresh the list of packages
[11:59] <davej> davepet: you LiveCD CD-R is in the mailbox
[11:59] <davej> your...
[11:59] <subterrific> Soulstorm: you can do it with apt-get update or the refresh button in synaptic
[12:00] <davepet> Thanks davej
[12:00] <subterrific> Soulstorm: you can also edit /etc/apt/sources.list or use the gui editor in synaptic to add/enable/disable repositories
[12:00] <davepet> been wau\iting a while to give it a try
[12:00] <davej> I know how it feels when you want to try something and you have to wait forever ...
[12:01] <xukun> Soulstorm, maybe you should add  multiverse
[12:02] <davej> good night all! have to get up early :-)
[12:02] <davepet> gniite davej
[12:02] <davepet> & thanks
[12:02] <xukun> davej, n8
[12:03] <davej> Stunned: you asked my about how much memory I was using in PC for Ubutu  512MB
[12:03] <Soulstorm> xukun: yes!!!!! that is what i want to do - now how do I add universe / multiverse
[12:03] <davej> thanks
[12:04] <stuNNed> davej, k thanks, was wondering if way to flush swap partition but i'm not worried about it, i do have alot of stuff open :)
[12:04] <xukun> Soulstorm, sudo synaptic
[12:04] <xukun> from console
[12:05] <davej> ur welcome
[12:05] <davej> StuNNed
[12:05] <xukun> then go to Settings > Repositories
[12:05] <stuNNed> davej, running warty or hoary
[12:05] <stuNNed> ?
[12:06] <davej> warty
[12:06] <davej> public PC I setup
[12:06] <pw> Hmm.
[12:06] <pw> How can I restore the default set of desktop icons?
[12:07] <t325> in themes normally (if you run gnome)
[12:07] <xukun> Soulstorm, are you with me?
[12:07] <Soulstorm> xukon: then what? - I'm with you...
[12:14] <sabdfl> hi all
[12:14] <stuNNed> hi sabdfl
[12:14] <sabdfl> anybody know how to tell the screensaver to chill out when using a box remotely?
[12:14] <sabdfl> mark@flash:~$ xscreensaver-command -restart
[12:14] <sabdfl> xscreensaver-command: warning: $DISPLAY is not set: defaulting to ":0.0".
[12:14] <sabdfl> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[12:14] <sabdfl> Xlib: No protocol specified
[12:14] <sabdfl> xscreensaver-command: can't open display :0.0
[12:14] <sabdfl> ?
[12:15] <housetier> set the DISPLAY variable
[12:15] <xukun> anybody knows aptitude well?
[12:16] <sabdfl> housetier: to?
[12:16] <sabdfl> xukun: what do you need?
[12:16] <topyli> xukun: define "well" :)
[12:17] <xukun> sec
[12:17] <housetier> sabdfl to the host and display # you are connecting from
[12:18] <housetier> you can have ssh set it up correctly automatically
[12:18] <daniels> sabdfl: seems like you need to ssh -X or -Y
[12:18] <daniels> sabdfl: (assuming you're SSHing into the box you're running the X server on)
[12:19] <sabdfl> x server / client terminology always bakes my noodle
[12:19] <sabdfl> i'm ssh'ing into a box far far away
[12:20] <sabdfl> on that box is running an xscreensaver session
[12:20] <sabdfl> which is sucking resources
[12:20] <sabdfl> i want to -throttle it
[12:20] <daniels> sabdfl: run ssh -Y box.running.the.rampant.xscreensaver
[12:21] <daniels> and then xscreensaver-command -restart
[12:21] <fabbione> sabdfl: you could renice it to -20
[12:21] <daniels> sabdfl: (X server: the box where stuff is displaying; X clients: the actual applications)
[12:21] <topyli> klaym: ah, countrymen. i'll drink to that
[12:21] <daniels> sabdfl: it really got me for a while, then after a while, thinking about it the other way seemed counter-intuitive.  ho hum. :)
[12:22] <sabdfl> daniels: and if i have to ssh through a couple of boxes first?
[12:22] <sabdfl> just ssh -Y to all of them?
[12:23] <spacey`ki> killall xscreensaver?
[12:23] <bubbaonlinux> question: anyone besides me had trouble setting up ample? i read the man and to the best of my ability all i'm suppose to do is add the port and the mp3 path in a config file but when i type ample nothing seems to happen i look in pgrep -l ample and don't see the process and i even nmap'd myself and don't see the port open any help would be great
[12:24] <sabdfl> spacey`ki: seal clubber :-)
[12:24] <spacey`ki> hehe:))
[12:24] <daniels> sabdfl: right
[12:24] <sabdfl> daniels: doesn't work, same error
[12:24] <daniels> sabdfl: gnuh
[12:24] <sabdfl> AUDIT: Sat Jan 22 11:21:35 2005: 7597 X: client 24 rejected from local host
[12:24] <sabdfl> AUDIT: Sat Jan 22 11:24:06 2005: 7597 X: client 24 rejected from local host
[12:24] <sabdfl> from the Xorg.log
[12:25] <daniels> oh, sorry, you don't need to SSH forward
[12:25] <daniels> ignore me, I'm a twonk
[12:25] <daniels> is the screensaver running as the same user as you?
[12:25] <sabdfl> yes
[12:25] <sabdfl> time to fetch the club?
[12:26] <daniels> hm
[12:26] <daniels> that's really weird
[12:26] <daniels> your ~/.Xauthority should take care of that
[12:26] <spacey`ki> why figure out a hard way when you can solve it quick and painless :)
[12:28] <sabdfl> daniels: what generates the .Xauthority file?
[12:28] <peglax> How can I turn off the autostart of nautilus on any mount?
[12:29] <Djassper> hi (?)
[12:29] <xukun> daniels, can you help me with a small problem I,m having
[12:29] <bubbaonlinux> isn't it ssh-keygen?
[12:29] <xukun> ?
[12:30] <Djassper> anyone knows what to tell during the vmware install for the question :"What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running
[12:30] <Djassper> kernel?" ?
[12:31] <peglax> Djassper, install the linux-headers-<version> package matching your kernel
[12:31] <Ephemeral> how can i mount my NTFS partition?
[12:32] <xukun> daniels I need to install the 6111 version of nvidia drivers with apt-get install nvidia-glx, but that would only install the latest package which is the 6629 driver, is there a way? I,m using hoary
[12:32] <daniels> xukun: no, sorry; providing both versions is just too hard
[12:32] <Djassper> peglax, ok how do i install that ? apt-get linux-header ..?
[12:32] <daniels> sabdfl: when you run startx, or login through a ?dm, ~/.Xauthority gets generated for that user
[12:32] <daniels> sabdfl: so, if it's someone else, you can su - $user, and manipulate it that way
[12:33] <peglax> Djassper, apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[12:34] <mz2> xukun, use the "force version" on synaptic. am not sure of how you'd do it on command line
[12:35] <Djassper> humm uname is a variable ?
[12:36] <xukun> daniels, I,m not doing this becouse its fan, its just becouse the 6629 version does not work at all with my card, I get wierd lines with all kind of colors at the right side of screen, even the nvidia logo shows this. the 6111 driver version worked fine for me
[12:36] <xukun> fun
[12:36] <Djassper> ok how do i know the linux-header version i have to install  ?
[12:37] <peglax> Djassper, uname -r tells you what kernel version you are running
[12:37] <daniels> xukun: yeah, I understand, and I know how broken it is, and it sucks
[12:37] <daniels> xukun: but there's just no way we can provide both versions
[12:37] <Mabus> Hi! Does anyone know when the new OOo2 packages will hit the archive? :)
[12:37] <Djassper> ohh ok peglax it works thanks
[12:38] <xukun> I need to find a way to install the 6111 verion
[12:38] <sabdfl> daniels: ok, so because i logged in to that machine through gdm, the .Xauthority is setup for that login
[12:38] <xukun> daniels, thanks any way
[12:38] <sabdfl> and now i'm ssh'ing into the same box and trying to connect to the same display and it's saying no thanks
[12:39] <daniels> sabdfl: that's weird
[12:39] <daniels> sabdfl: it should be loving you
[12:44] <Djassper> peglax may be one more hint please :) once the linux-header is installed , in what folder is it stored ?
[12:44] <martyr> hi people. I've been trying to get ubuntu-amd64's X11 to run on my notebook for quite a while, but in vain. Got a Ati Mobility Radeon 9700 card and a WXGA (1280*800) display. when i start X11, it fails complaining about being unable to load module v4l. in addition, the display gets very dark after that (can hardly read wite text on black background anymore). any ideas, please? :(
[12:44] <xukun> daniels, somebody told me that I could use aptitude and downgrade the nvidia drivers to 6111 version, then put them on hold
[12:46] <Mabus> martyr: that's "Video 4 Linux".
[12:46] <t325> xukun, installing it with the NVIDIA installer isn't so terrible.. I can guide you, if you want (open two text only sessions, one with a textmode irc and the other for installing NVdrivers)
[12:47] <martyr> Mabus: so, is this the problem?
[12:48] <daniels> xukun: you'd also need to be running <IP_ADDRESS>, though
[12:48] <daniels> martyr: edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, and delete the 'Load "v4l"' line
[12:48] <xukun> daniels, yes that is what I was afraid of
[12:49] <martyr> daniels, okay, i'll try :)
[12:49] <xukun> t325, that will go for the installer too
[12:50] <t325> what do you mean? (my english isn't perfect..)
[12:51] <xukun> daniels, what if I use the nvdida installer to install the 6111?
[12:51] <albator1932> hi there
[12:53] <daniels> xukun: should work fine
[12:53] <daniels> xukun: actually, no
[12:53] <daniels> xukun: it won't work on recent kernels
[12:53] <daniels> needs patches for 2.6.9 *and* 2.6.10
[12:53] <daniels> and no-one's patched it for 2.6.10 that I know of
[12:53] <xukun> damm
[12:54] <xukun> daniels, then I,m .....
[12:54] <albator1932> someone here could help me with a sound problem ?
[12:56] <t325> at least in mandrake, changing some lines in driver source (extract it) does the trick for the recent kernels problem. I paste you the tuto I have for mdk in pv; I must leave, some1 called me for a no more booting XP..
[01:01] <skuthan> hello people. i've got a question regarding ubuntu, is this the right place? here goes: on my acer travelmate the keys:  > < don't work on the X-server. do you know how to fix this?
[01:02] <daniels> skuthan: where do you live, and what keyboard layout/language did you pick during the install?
[01:03] <daniels> skuthan: sounds like your keyboard is set up for 104 characters, when it needs 105
[01:04] <skuthan> i've got a german keyboard, living in austria, but an english install, all other keys work though
[01:05] <skuthan> how do you switch 104 or 105 keys?
[01:08] <skuthan> ok, i've found the line in xf86config, will try to set it to 105 keys, back in a sec
[01:09] <Soulstorm> WHOOOHOOOO!!!!!
[01:09] <Soulstorm> super happy
[01:09] <Soulstorm> ta xukun - ogl working now
[01:09] <Soulstorm> with accel
[01:09] <xukun> Soulstorm, I,m happy for you
[01:10] <Soulstorm> now - nuxt up - getting my SBLive to work
[01:10] <albator1932> same for me
[01:10] <albator1932> i've an audigy LS
[01:10] <Soulstorm> no mp3....torture :(
[01:10] <albator1932> and no sound...
[01:11] <Soulstorm> it's horrible
[01:11] <albator1932> and i've still no solution to get it work
[01:11] <albator1932> :/
[01:11] <sl8r> are there any Hoary ISOs (apart from the experimental Live-CD) available for download yet?
[01:12] <Soulstorm> albator1932: I feel your pain....
[01:12] <peglax> Djassper, /usr/src/linux-headers-<version>/include
[01:13] <topyli> sl8r: you can always install a minimal warty and upgrade
[01:13] <topyli> sl8r: unless you want to test the installation stuff of course :)
[01:14] <sl8r> topyli: did that, fucked up my x server, i ended up with some bastard hybrid x.org / xfree system that not even linux-wise pals could resuscitate :-/
[01:15] <sl8r> topyli: so for me it's flattening the box (as it doesn't matter anyway, the PC is crap and i only use it for testing purposes)
[01:15] <sl8r> and yeah, i'd like to test the installation stuff :)
[01:16] <Soulstorm> isn't sblive supposed to be autodetcted/working?
[01:17] <topyli> sl8r: don't install X at first. then you don't have to worry about the xfree -> x.org transition
[01:17] <Soulstorm> according to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsSoundCards/view?searchterm=sound%20blaster
[01:17] <Serengeti> ok, i am guilty of using ubuntu bacports <g>, what can i do to upgrade to hoary?
[01:17] <Serengeti> do i have to reinstall?
[01:17] <sl8r> topyli: that was my mistake :D
[01:18] <sl8r> topyli: so do you know of any Hoary ISOs, apart from the LiveCD?
[01:18] <ssam> i had some back ports and the upgrade to hoary went ok
[01:18] <scrooch> hello
[01:18] <ssam> well, synaptic disappeared and i had to apt get it back
[01:19] <scrooch> any news on why the networkcards on nforce3 motherboards don't work on warty and hoary?
[01:19] <Serengeti> ssam thanks it's heartenig to hear that :)
[01:20] <ssam> appart from that it seemed quite smooth
[01:20] <topyli> sl8r: no
[01:20] <sl8r> ok.
[01:20] <skuthan> cheers daniels, that worked! (keyboard with 105 instead 104, and was set to us in X-config)
[01:21] <ssam> i now have a debian sub menu in the main menu, which is odd, but i assume it is for the developers or something
[01:22] <Serengeti> ssam i think i'll try to upgrade someday soon
[01:22] <sap> i have a weird problem. i recently bought a wireless k/board and mouse which work beautifully with ubuntu and my thinkpad. however, i've just tried to use my usb cdrom on the same machine and now the keyboard appears to miss keystrokes and my wireless mouse has stopped working at all. anyone have any ideas?
[01:22] <ssam> be carefull if its your main system, it is meant fro devs
[01:23] <ssam> for*
[01:23] <topyli> ssam: perhaps they forgot to remove debian menu this time. :) you can uninstall it if you want
[01:23] <ssam> i am happy with it there
[01:23] <ssam> makes me feel hardcore
[01:24] <topyli> ssam: i sometimes miss it too :)
[01:24] <Serengeti> ssam I know I think I have some space left on my hdd so maybe I'll end up having two ubuntus :)
[01:24] <ssam> when i figure out how to get rid of the naked people, i can pretend i am a real linux hacker
[01:25] <ssam> ;-)
[01:26] <Serengeti> ssam you mean ubuntu monthly calendar? ;)
[01:26] <topyli> ssam: those nice people live in the ubuntu-calendar packages
[01:26] <ssam> i know, im just joking
[01:27] <topyli> ssam: jut use a debian wallpaper and look tough
[01:28] <topyli> just
[01:28] <RickA> hi
[01:29] <ssam> at the moment i am logged into my hoary box with ssh over a wireless network and playing music with an x forwarded muine, displaying on a powerbook with no wires pluged in and playing on my hifi speakers
[01:29] <ssam> so i cant see a ubuntu desktop
[01:30] <topyli> ssam: be careful, reality is slowly evading you ;)
[01:31] <RickA> I have a question
[01:31] <RickA> if the Ubuntu LiveCD doesn't load correctly, can I expect any problems installing the regular version of Ubuntu on that system?
[01:31] <ssam> no its true
[01:32] <ssam> the live cd and installer have different hardware detection, but it dose not boad well
[01:32] <topyli> RickA: hard to say anything else but they are two completely different systems
[01:32] <BockBilbo> RickA, the ubuntu live cd doesnt work on my laptop
[01:33] <BockBilbo> but the installer worked perfectly
[01:33] <Cam-> does anyone know what the main binary for openoffice writer is?
[01:33] <BockBilbo> oowriter ?
[01:33] <RickA> ok
[01:33] <RickA> and how does it work with external USB dvd-drives?
[01:33] <Cam-> nope
[01:33] <BockBilbo> mm i cannot help you w ith it.. no idea
[01:33] <ssam> ricka: have you tried the boot options
[01:34] <RickA> no, haven't taken a look yet
[01:34] <RickA> still deciding if I want to try FC3 or Ubuntu
[01:34] <RickA> but the BIOS should have an option to boot from usb drives I think. Just wondering if Ubuntu will have problems using it after it's installed
[01:34] <ssam> if you are new to linux ubuntu is better than fc3
[01:34] <RickA> I'm pretty much a noob at that kind of thing
[01:34] <topyli> Cam-: how did you install OOo? the ubuntu packages put oowriter in /usr/bin
[01:35] <RickA> and how is the Ubuntu support for Ati cards?
[01:35] <BockBilbo> Cam-, apt-get install openoffice.org
[01:35] <Cam-> im using a development edition from the openoffice website
[01:35] <BockBilbo> Cam-,
[01:35] <BockBilbo> i had the same problem
[01:35] <BockBilbo> ..
[01:35] <dur> about to download Ubuntu, should I go straight for Hoary or the earlier version, TIA
[01:36] <Cam-> how did you fix it?
[01:36] <BockBilbo> i tried to install the OOo 1.9.60
[01:36] <Cam-> i downloaded it via the website and installed it using alien
[01:36] <BockBilbo> and installed it.. but.. i wasnt able to run it cause i didnt know which was the binary
[01:36] <BockBilbo> ...
[01:36] <BockBilbo> i downloaded from debian
[01:36] <ssam> dur: your safer with warty
[01:37] <Cam-> did you end up getting it running?
[01:37] <BockBilbo> Cam-,
[01:37] <BockBilbo> i took the .deb files from here:
[01:37] <BockBilbo> http://people.debian.org/~halls/openoffice/test/
[01:38] <BockBilbo> i didnt end up getting it running cauze i had no time to try it
[01:38] <BockBilbo> im on exams at the university
[01:38] <BockBilbo> lol
[01:38] <kbrooks> lol.
[01:39] <BockBilbo> anyways
[01:39] <BockBilbo> good luck
[01:39] <BockBilbo> :)
[01:40] <BockBilbo> anyone knows when the gaim 1.1.2 will be added to hoary's repositories?
[01:40] <Nafallo> kbrooks: the problems with synaptic yesterday was those -dbg packets ;-).
[01:41] <BockBilbo> well
[01:41] <BockBilbo> byeee
[01:41] <kbrooks> bye
[01:42] <Serengeti> ssam, by the way: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20000229&mode=classic
[01:43] <ssam> lol
[01:43] <kbrooks> ;)
[01:43] <Serengeti> i guess greg works for cannonical :]
[01:44] <kbrooks> no way
[01:44] <kbrooks> he doesnt
[01:44] <Serengeti> :)
[01:50] <wfx> hi, java: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java15 -> works for me if i change the the order of the last 2 lines
[01:50] <wfx> #3 sudo apt-get install sun-j2sdk1.5debian, #4 sudo dpkg -i su*.deb
[01:51] <giard> anyone know of a good place to find widescreen (1920x1200) backgrounds?
[01:52] <wfx> giard: you can use gimp
[01:53] <giard> wfx: umm, any premade ones? ;-)
[01:53] <wfx> giard: check this http://exoteric.roach.org/bg/bgal3.html
[01:53] <Serengeti> giard www.pixelgirlpresents.com had some... but not too many im afraid
[01:53] <wfx> giard: was a quick google query
[01:53] <giard> wfx: looks like you need a password
[01:54] <wfx> giard: sorry
[01:55] <wfx> giard: this one i have test ;-) http://www.interfacelift.com/wallpaper/
[01:56] <Serengeti> giard or here: http://www.vladstudio.com/home/
[01:56] <wfx> giard: or this (svg match all size ;) http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=17776
[01:56] <giard> thanks!
[01:58] <wfx> giard: do you mean thanks, please not more :-)
[01:58] <giard> more if you've got it :)
[01:58] <wfx> btw, with gimp i mean you can resize any image
[01:59] <giard> wfx: yeap.  I just wanted one that didn't look stretched
[02:00] <giard> or an svg
[02:00] <Soulstorm> is there anybody out there that can help me with my sblive!? I've been rtfm-ing till my eyes bleed
[02:02] <NetwrkMonkey> anyone using wpa_supplicant with ubuntu?
[02:08] <Ephemeral> What Filesystem can M$ and Linux both Read&Write?
[02:09] <Falstius> Ephemeral: vfat
[02:09] <sjoerd> vfat
[02:09] <Falstius> or ntfs if you like to walk on the wildside (and corrupt all your data)
[02:10] <Ephemeral> whats vfat..?
[02:10] <Ephemeral> its not the same as fat32 right?
[02:10] <HcE> Ephemeral: the filesystem DOS and Win95/98 used
[02:10] <ogra> Ephemeral: it is the same
[02:10] <Ephemeral> ah
[02:10] <Ephemeral> whats the max partition size of VFAT?
[02:11] <Ephemeral> im considering getting another disk.. so i can move away from M$ more
[02:11] <HcE> Ephemeral: you can fine read NTFS, and Windows can read ext2/ext3
[02:11] <HcE> explore2fs for windows
[02:11] <Falstius> HcE, explore2fs is pretty buggy, especially with large files.
[02:11] <Falstius> or atleast the copy I have is.
[02:11] <HcE> ok, it works for me
[02:12] <Ephemeral> basically I want to move all my media.. MP3, FLAC, Ogg.. to a common partion, both can read and write
[02:12] <HcE> bu I usually move files less than 200MB
[02:12] <HcE> ah
[02:12] <Ephemeral> so when im in M$ using a CAD prog i can listen to the music
[02:12] <Falstius> Ephemeral: vfat partitions can as large is ntfs can, but only if you format them in linux.
[02:12] <Ephemeral> but i plan to cut down M$ time
[02:12] <Ephemeral> ;)
[02:12] <Falstius> last I check MS wouldn't let you create large vfat partitions.
[02:13] <Falstius> Ephemeral: what CAD do you use in MS?
[02:13] <Ephemeral> Microstation and Pro engineer
[02:13] <Ephemeral> I also play the odd game in M$
[02:13] <Ephemeral> Half Life 2 ect
[02:13] <Falstius> hmm, there is a project out to make opensource electronics CAD tools ...  GMT
[02:16] <Ephemeral> UK
[02:16] <Falstius> je suis american, mais je habite a la suisse
[02:16] <sn0wman> the gstreamer backend sucks at the moment
[02:16] <NanoTek> ok
[02:16] <Falstius> er, je habite au france, je traivaille a la suise.
[02:16] <Falstius> not important.
[02:16] <zooko> Has anyone else noticed that some python standard library modules are missing in warty?
[02:17] <zooko> Howdy Falstius.
[02:17] <tfh> sn0wman, it might be okay, but mplayer is what i've been using for years qnd it's the best, i have it installed now
[02:17] <Falstius> hi.
[02:17] <sn0wman> just change it under your "prefered applications"
[02:17] <tfh> sn0wman, i just want to change the default app for video file , is that even possible on gnome ?
[02:18] <sn0wman> Computer -> Desktop Preferences -> Prefered Applications
[02:18] <tfh> nothing in there
[02:18] <sn0wman> oh wait
[02:18] <NanoTek> tfh
[02:18] <NanoTek> just clic on the icons
[02:18] <tfh> only email browser and terminal
[02:18] <NanoTek> and properties
[02:18] <NanoTek> open with
[02:18] <sn0wman> right-click your icons, and change them to mplayer
[02:18] <sn0wman> you'll have to do that for all the different formats though
[02:18] <tfh> ok
[02:19] <tfh> thank you that should work
[02:19] <tfh> anyway i mainly play avi's so it should be ok
[02:19] <Falstius> sn0wman, can't you change it by type (ie "video") instead of just file format?
[02:19] <tfh> thx mplayer rocks it loads instantly
[02:20] <sn0wman> Falstius, not that i know of
[02:20] <Falstius> tfh, mplayer (and xmms) are both a pain though for not following gui standards
[02:20] <tfh> didn't know that
[02:20] <tfh> didn't know mplayer had a gui lol
[02:20] <Falstius> gmplayer sorry
[02:20] <tfh> same
[02:21] <tfh> they are from the same source, just different compilation options
[02:21] <Falstius> tfh, I know.
[02:21] <tfh> back to gvim to type that stoopid math homework
[02:21] <tfh> thank u all
[02:21] <Falstius> I set my file browsers to use mplayer but generally use gmplayer (mplayer -gui) for dvds.
[02:22] <wfx> wehre do i find gmplayer
[02:25] <wfx> i cant install any mplayer :/ unmet dependencies
[02:26] <klaym> shouldn't apt-get do the job?
[02:26] <Falstius> why does my box complain "can't find repository hoary main updates"? (paraphrasing)
[02:26] <wfx> klaym: it should but it cant (i think)
[02:26] <Falstius> it files other deposititories but not hoary main updates and hoary universe updates.
[02:27] <Falstius> er main and restricted.
[02:27] <klaym> what does it say then?
[02:28] <wfx> klaym:  mplayer: Depends: libggi2 (>= 1:2.0.5) ..., libpng10-0 (>= 1.0.18) ..., libsdl1.2debian (> 1.2.7+1.2.8)
[02:30] <klaym> when you write apt-get install mplayer, it should automatically prompt for those extra packages to be downloaded as well
[02:31] <wfx> klaym: but it does it not
[02:31] <rachelw> anyone with Apache2 experience here? I need to install a module from source, but my apache2 installation doesn't seem to include apxs2. any pointers?
[02:33] <wfx> where do i find source.list for firefox 1.0
[02:35] <scoon> does anyone know if the firewire port on an audigy 2zs is powered ?
[02:35] <buga> rachelw: which worker do you use?
[02:38] <Falstius> is there a tool for automatically finding and merging dpkg-new files?
[02:38] <wfx> how do i fix this message : perl: warning: Setting locale failed....
[02:39] <tfh> which package holds utf8 package for latex ?
[02:39] <buga> rachelw: apxs2 and the required headers are in apache2-<workername>-dev, for example apache2-prefork-dev, apache2-threaded-dev, ...
[02:40] <rachelw> buga, thanks! how do I know which one to install?
[02:40] <buga> rachelw: dpkg -l|grep apache2
[02:40] <oly> okay, i just tried out hoary but it x.org does not like the savage in my laptop, i was gona try and apt-get upgrade but my network card needs setting up
[02:40] <oly> what do you use to set up network in a console ?
[02:41] <buga> rachelw: if your apache2 package is called apache2-mpm-prefork, you have to install apache2-prefork-dev
[02:41] <oly> cuz i always did it through a gui before
[02:41] <mz2> do firewire hard drives work as well as usb drives under ubuntu?
[02:41] <zooko> HEh heh heh.
[02:41] <knghtbrd> dhclient is a good start.
[02:41] <zooko> So I tried to report a bug on python2.3 having a missing module, and reportbug has a bug.
[02:41] <zooko>   File "/usr/bin/reportbug", line 1854, in main
[02:41] <zooko>     (sysinfo['email']  % 'n'), (sysinfo['email']  % '999999'))
[02:41] <zooko> TypeError: not all arguments converted during string formatting
[02:41] <zooko> Now what?
[02:41] <rachelw> buga, thanks
[02:41] <zooko> Maybe there is a web-based way to report a bug...
[02:42] <buga> tfh: probably you are looking for latex-ucs
[02:42] <Falstius> on a review of the microsoft "spy-ware remover" ... "I ran a thorough scan, which discovered 77 spyware and adware programs. I followed the software's advice and removed them all.       But bizarre behaviors  including multiple pop ups, unwanted toolbars and generally sluggish behavior  continued. "
[02:42] <Falstius> isn't that just running windows?
[02:42] <tfh> buga: thank you, it's the one i was looking for
[02:42] <oly> okay, will look into dhclient thxs knghtbrd
[02:42] <Nap> how can I report a bug for a horay package ?
[02:42] <Nap> hoary
[02:43] <Nap> on the bugzilla, in the text input for the package name, the completion only display warty packages
[02:44] <Nap> I found a bug in linux-image-2.6.10-2-k7
[02:44] <BockBilbo> is it possible to play sounds from flash pages in firefox using esd?
[02:44] <buga> zooko: (reportbug) try using an older python version from universe
[02:45] <zooko> And I thought Ubuntu was the Debian with extra Python fu.
[02:45] <zooko> It's disappointing that the standard python in warty can't run my Python app.
[02:45] <zooko> I have to decide if I want to get hoary stuff or build a local python.
[02:46] <mz2> zooko, what's it missing then?
[02:49] <zooko> audioop module
[02:49] <zooko> I guess I could just build that module and poke it into place.
[02:51] <zooko>    * Build audioop module for 64bit archs (closes: #260051).
[02:51] <zooko> I guess Ubuntu isn't going to backport that fix to warty then.  Hm.
[02:51] <zooko> Sigh.  I guess I'll install python and reportbug from hoary.
[02:51] <Falstius> I just installed hoary and maybe its a silly question, but where is the button to log off?
[02:51] <buga> zooko: do you using warty?
[02:52] <zooko> buga: until a minute ago.  :-)
[02:52] <Guardiann> under desktop
[02:53] <wfx> computer/log out
[02:54] <Falstius> wfx, that was in warty
[02:54] <Guardiann> desktop/logout :)
[02:54] <Falstius> I didn't have "desktop/logout" on my panel
[02:55] <wfx> use a brick ;-)
[02:55] <Falstius> I just added a logout button to the bottom panel.
[02:55] <Falstius> well, I would "ctrl-alt-backspace" but thought I should find the proper way.
[02:55] <Guardiann> hoary has a desktop at the top beside places and applications
[02:56] <BockBilbo> :|...
[02:56] <wfx> where do i find a resource for warty to install firefox 1.0
[02:56] <Falstius> Guardiann, it does now.  Before I logged out (and back in) it had disapeared.  I assume because I just updated 550+ packages.  Weird.
[02:56] <BockBilbo> wfx
[02:56] <BockBilbo> check the wiki page
[02:56] <Falstius> thanks though.
[02:56] <zooko> How can I write apt.conf so that it will use warty-security, followed by warty followed by everything else?
[02:56] <Guardiann> try logging out and back in again
[02:56] <veejey> wfx: check www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:56] <zooko> I know how to write APT::Default-Release "warty-security";
[02:56] <BockBilbo> youhave to download the binaries from www.mozilla.com/products/firefox
[02:57] <zooko> but that seems to mean if the package doesn't appear in warty-security then it will get the package from hoary, which isn't what I want.
[02:57] <Guardiann> maybe even a reboot
[02:57] <wfx> veejey: i found nothing on ubuntuguide
[02:57] <BockBilbo> wfx
[02:57] <BockBilbo> hold on
[02:57] <zooko> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PinningHowto
[02:57] <BockBilbo> see the wiki
[02:57] <BockBilbo> !
[02:57] <zooko> ^-- this probably answers my question
[02:58] <wfx> BockBilbo: on wiki i see only the page with warning... but where do i find a resource for apt-get
[02:58] <gustav_> wfx: look at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu/
[02:58] <AndyR> lo ppl
[02:58] <BockBilbo> wfx
[02:58] <BockBilbo> amm
[02:58] <BockBilbo> but it works
[02:58] <BockBilbo> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UpgradingToFirefox10
[02:58] <buga> zooko: there is also a man page called apt_preferences
[02:58] <zooko> buga: thanks.
[02:59] <wfx> BockBilbo: thx but i was searching for apt source i read the breackmyubuntu
[02:59] <Guardiann> and how do you like AndyR
[02:59] <AndyR> looks great
[03:00] <zooko> Hm.  Neither the PinningHowto nor the apt_preferences man page seem to answer my question.  :-/
[03:00] <Guardiann> yeah did you do the full change to the 2.6.10 kernel
[03:00] <BockBilbo> wfx i think doing the wiki thing wil be safer but no prob
[03:00] <BockBilbo> :D
[03:00] <BockBilbo> well
[03:00] <BockBilbo> byr
[03:00] <BockBilbo> gotta eat lunch
[03:01] <Guardiann> too early for lunch ;)
[03:01] <AndyR> andrew@advent:~ $ uname -a
[03:01] <AndyR> Linux advent 2.6.10-2-686 #1 Wed Jan 19 18:58:12 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[03:01] <zooko> b
[03:01] <Guardiann> very nice
[03:02] <wfx> gustav_: thx (install now and use only the stable main universe)
[03:02] <zooko> I'm confused.  Is this not the most common use for pinning/versioning ?
[03:02] <snowblink> wfx: I got FF1.0 via the warty backports
[03:03] <zooko> I want everything to be warty-security, and if it isn't in warty-security I want it to be warty.
[03:03] <zooko> Except perhaps for specific packages that I specify "-t hoary" on the cmdline to install.
[03:03] <zooko> Isn't this what everyone wants?  Why don't the docs tell me how to do this?
[03:03] <wfx> snowblink: i get it ;-)
[03:04] <wfx> how do i fix this "perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C")..."
[03:04] <zooko> Ah, I see it now.
[03:05] <zooko> This is way more sophisticated than I wanted, but oh well.Package: *; Pin: release a=unstable; Pin-Priority: 50
[03:05] <zooko> Oh wait -- will hoary be recognized as a=unstable?
[03:05] <zooko> sigh
[03:05] <zooko> I'll just try it and see.
[03:06] <Soulstorm> ooooh - any of you know how I can use my sblive card in stead of Via - seems that my sound was working after all - but through the wrong device...
[03:06] <zooko> And what's the difference between "Pin: release a=unstable" and "Pin: release unstable"?  Argh.
[03:06] <zooko> This sucks.
[03:07] <kent> zooko, there are backported version which are already compiled for Warty. Dont know the adress my self, but i read about it here before. Some other might know. That sounds like a better id to use..
[03:08] <buga> zooko: it's not so simple to mix different distributions. for example after installing a new hoary binary package, it depends on a newer (library) packages from hoary, it has a chance that you won't be able to install other package from warty or warty-security
[03:08] <zooko> buga: I understand about the consequences of dependencies.
[03:08] <zooko> I'm just complaining because the man page and the howto explain half a dozen other things but don't explain a simple way to do the thing that I want.
[03:08] <zooko> And obviously everyone should want to do what I want to do.
[03:10] <zooko> Okay, I think the answer is you have to change "unstable" to "hoary" when copying the examples from the howto and the man page.  :-(
[03:10] <snowblink> does anyone use amarok?
[03:11] <wfx> ok i found it (brocken locals but i dont know why it was -> fresh install):
[03:11] <buga> zooko: backports-like but supported packages would be more a felicitous choice, but these aren't from the ubuntu project
[03:11] <buga> snowblink: yes, i use
[03:11] <wfx> if you get :perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). , perl: warning: Setting locale failed. ...
[03:11] <snowblink> buga: currently using warty. Is it worth upgrading to hoary to use it?
[03:11] <wfx> then use: dpkg-reconfigure locales and set youre locals
[03:11] <ssam> snowblink: sometimes
[03:12] <zooko> buga: thanks for the advice and help.
[03:12] <wfx> please add this to anywhere
[03:12] <aldo> hi all
[03:12] <veejey> does anyone use dasher in ubuntu? its not working properly or is tooo slow in my sys
[03:12] <buga> snowblink: I use the version from hoary
[03:12] <ssam> if you cant get on with rhythmbox maybe
[03:13] <aldo> does anyone know how i could diagnose loads of erros on my eth0
[03:13] <snowblink> ssam: yeah, I we don't get along with one another.
[03:13] <ssam> fair enough
[03:14] <ssam> hoary seems stable enough, but it could beak stuff, its really meant for devs
[03:14] <buga> snowblink: there is no big change between 1.1 and 1.2 versions. if you use very large collections, it's worth to upgrade
[03:15] <snowblink> buga: thanks. Don't have it at all. Was recommended to me.
[03:15] <ssam> ive been trying out muine today
[03:15] <ssam> its not bad
[03:16] <buga> snowblink: yes, it's a very nice piece of kde projects :)
[03:16] <snowblink> ssam: yeah, I got quite gung-ho last week and installed hoary
[03:16] <snowblink> ssam: but somehow vi went missing
[03:16] <snowblink> ssam: that was scary
[03:16] <ssam> yeah
[03:16] <ssam> imagine being forced to use emacs
[03:17] <snowblink> ssam: indeed. It scared me so much, that I'm nice and safe in my warty cocoon now.
[03:17] <buga> wfx: (perl locale issue) what are your locale settings?  set|egrep '^(LC|LANG)'
[03:17] <ssam> i lost synaptic in the upgrade, had to use apt-get
[03:18] <zooko> Okay, now I've got it configured how I want and I'm happily upgrading to python stuff from hoary while keeping everything else in warty. We'll see. ;-)
[03:19] <zooko> Whee!  Good-bye to python2.3!
[03:19] <zooko> Okay, I just broke apt-file, exactly as buga warned that I would.;..
[03:21] <wfx> buga: LANG=de and LANGUAGE=de_DE:de:en_GB:en but i hobe on next reboot it is fixed (set to de_AT.UTF-8@euro)
[03:22] <zooko> Hm.  apt-get install -thoary apt-file doesn't work...
[03:24] <ssam> are the apt servers down at the moment
[03:25] <Quest-Master> ssam: Not for me
[03:26] <MarcR> hello, i'm trying to install ubuntu warty and I got some troubles with my ATI RADEON graphic card
[03:27] <da_bon_bon> can someone help me on installing gentoo from fedora linux ?
[03:27] <clarice> can anyone help me? how do i get a linksys wireless adapter to work with ubuntu? i tried my best
[03:27] <scoon> clarice, i think i may be able to.
[03:27] <scoon> clarice, what model
[03:27] <Nafallo> da_bon_bon: you should probably read this channels name :-).
[03:28] <clarice> hold on, i check it out
[03:28] <da_bon_bon> Nafallo: hmm.. ok.. wrong pasting :)
[03:28] <zooko> Thanks for the help, ubuntu!
[03:28] <zooko> MarcR I had that kind of problem.
[03:29] <zooko> I think the secret was to edit XF86Config-4 and change "ati" to "radeon" in the driver.
[03:29] <MarcR> hello zooko and did you fixed it ?
[03:29] <MarcR> I'll try thanks
[03:30] <VincentMX> does anyone know the system requirements for Ubuntu 4.10 ?
[03:31] <BockBilbo> whats tje best way for installin rpm files in ubuntu?
[03:31] <Quest-Master> VincentMX: List your specs and I'll tell you if it'll work fine on it
[03:31] <BockBilbo> use alien?
[03:31] <Quest-Master> BockBilbo: Yes
[03:31] <Quest-Master> Use Alien
[03:31] <VincentMX> where
[03:32] <Quest-Master> Here, just list them
[03:32] <wfx> ? cd player doe no more longer play cd's?
[03:33] <VincentMX> Intel Pentium 2 333MhZ 164 Mb RAM nVidia GeForce 440
[03:33] <Quest-Master> Hm.. I dunno. Some more RAM would be nice as well as a better processor.
[03:33] <Quest-Master> Try it though.
[03:33] <Quest-Master> Ubuntu has worked on many of my low-end machines :o
[03:34] <VincentMX> ok
[03:34] <VincentMX> thanx
[03:34] <wfx> hmm i miss a cdrom device?!
[03:35] <wfx> strange /dev/hdd no longer exist?
[03:35] <BockBilbo> thanks Quest-Master
[03:35] <BockBilbo> byee
[03:35] <Quest-Master> Bye
[03:39] <wfx> i lost a dev entry how do i get it back?
[03:41] <d> hi!
[03:41] <Quest-Master> Hi
[03:42] <AcidPils> is there a possibility to show all installed pkgs that belong to universe?
[03:42] <ssam> wfx i think the new /dev system is different
[03:42] <ssam> they are created as you plug things in to the computer
[03:42] <d> I just screwed X.org in the latest Ubuntu by running xorgconfig andnot bothering to backup my config file!
[03:43] <wfx> it was here i have play one cd wont to play a other and now i lost the dev?!
[03:43] <d> What is the 'official' way to sort out yr monitor res under Ubuntu?
[03:43] <wfx> want
[03:43] <spiral> hi !!!
[03:43] <spiral> please I need informations about smart batteries support under hoary
[03:44] <ssam> you might have to research the udev and hotplug stuff
[03:44] <d> is it not something like 'debconf xorg-server' or something?
[03:44] <spiral> can anyone here tell me if they will soon be handled
[03:44] <spiral> d: dpkg-reconfigure maybe ?
[03:44] <d> spiral- yeah, thats it!
[03:44] <spiral> d: :-)
[03:44] <d> but what comes after?
[03:44] <ssam> spiral, you should be able to see the pecentages and stuff
[03:45] <d> dpkg-reconfigure xorg???
[03:45] <ssam> xserver-xorg ?
[03:45] <d> Its not in the Ubuntu FAQ or Docs as far as I can see, yet
[03:46] <spiral> d: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg I think
[03:46] <Twiggy> Hey ~ I'm looking for some package with the alsaconf command in it, or maybe an alternative to that command
[03:46] <spiral> ssam: how should I do so ?
[03:47] <d> sprial/ssam: I'll have to go onto the other machine to try that out..
[03:47] <spiral> ssam: is the smart battery driver included in kernel ?
[03:47] <spiral> d: ok... I check the name in order to be sure
[03:47] <ssam> right click on the gnome panel, and add a thingy (cant think what its called) and find the battery monitor
[03:48] <ssam> it work on my girlfirends laptop with warty with out having to install anything
[03:48] <d> spiral: where would you look? Is there a dir to look at for the module names or something?
[03:49] <spiral> d: I checked in synaptic
[03:49] <spiral> ssam: but she doesn't have a smart battery, does she ?
[03:49] <spiral> d: the name is good
[03:49] <AndyR> battery meter works in hoary but didnt here on warty
[03:49] <d> thanks!
[03:50] <spiral> AndyR: is it a smartbattery ?
[03:50] <spiral> when I do "acpi" on hoary, I still don't get any news about my battery
[03:50] <AndyR> spiral, not sure probably not
[03:51] <AndyR> i used acpi=force
[03:51] <giard> spiral: just curious, do you have the latest version of your bios installed?
[03:51] <AndyR> on warty, but i didnt need to on hoary
[03:51] <spiral> giard: I don't know, this is a laptop & I didn't try to update my bios
[03:52] <wfx> hmm i remember i have reboot with an audio cd inside cant this the prob?
[03:52] <AndyR> im running a 1999 bios
[03:52] <wfx> i test it
[03:53] <giard> spiral: which laptop?
[03:53] <spiral> giard: acer aspire 1682 wlmi
[03:53] <spiral> everything works fine, except the battery meter
[03:54] <giard> spiral: maybe this might help?  not sure: http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/acer.html
[03:55] <giard> spiral: I used to have a dell that I couldn't see the battery on until I updated the bios
[03:55] <spiral> giard: somebody here told me it was because of "smart battery module" still not included in kernel
[03:55] <spiral> or smth like this
[03:59] <giard> spiral: not sure what that is
[03:59] <giard> did you try installing the restrict modules and looking for it?
[03:59] <spiral> giard: they are installed for my ati card
[04:00] <spiral> but I didn't checked for smart batteries module inside
[04:00] <AndyR> spiral, i can flood you my output from lsmod
[04:01] <AndyR> see what modules i have loaded
[04:01] <spiral> AndyR: yeah, why not :-)
[04:06] <wfx> ok it is a bug!
[04:06] <wfx> strange if i boot with one audio cd in the device i miss it
[04:07] <wfx> i lost the device
[04:07] <wfx> if i remove the audio cd and reboot i get it back
[04:08] <wfx> can it be the hardwaredetection?
[04:09] <spiral> please... can anyone here tell me whether a "smart battery" module will be integrated in hoary ?
[04:10] <murf> hi! where is list of packages available in ubuntu?
[04:10] <dseomn> murf: archive.ubuntu.com, browse for Packages.gz files
[04:10] <siretart> murf: the list is rather long, ~15000 packages. better search for a specific package using apt-cache
[04:12] <HoP3LeSS> hi,
[04:12] <HoP3LeSS> I installed ubuntu on my 2nd hd a few months ago, now i need to format that drive in fat32 to use it with windows, how can i do that? i tried ith parition magic and didnt work????
[04:13] <spiral> HoP3LeSS: fdisk
[04:13] <spiral> HoP3LeSS: or use windows / windows installer
[04:14] <HoP3LeSS> i tried with fdisk, i created a boot disk, run fdisk.exe
[04:14] <HoP3LeSS> but how do i reformat my drive into fat32?
[04:15] <HoP3LeSS> and windows installer, you mean install win on the hd where ubuntu is on right now?
[04:15] <HoP3LeSS> ?
[04:16] <wfx> i dont like to create a bugzilla account: so if anyone have one please add this cdrom audio but, thx
[04:16] <wfx> but -> bug :-)
[04:16] <dseomn> HoP3LeSS: try mkdosfs
[04:17] <HoP3LeSS> deseomn: what is this?
[04:17] <tanek> ,
[04:17] <tanek> ,
[04:18] <dseomn> HoP3LeSS: it formats a dos file/partition/disk
[04:18] <HoP3LeSS> is it software that i run under windows?
[04:18] <dseomn> HoP3LeSS: no, it's a *nix program
[04:19] <siretart> HoP3LeSS: if you want to get rid of ubuntu, why you don't use the windows partitioner?
[04:19] <HoP3LeSS> ok, becasue i' presently running on window
[04:19] <HoP3LeSS> hmmm, tell me where to get that windows partitionner ?
[04:19] <HoP3LeSS> you mean, when you boot on the win xp install cd ???
[04:19] <dseomn> HoP3LeSS: yeah
[04:19] <wfx> i dont find this bug in bugzilla
[04:19] <HoP3LeSS> ok
[04:20] <HoP3LeSS> ill try it
[04:20] <siretart> HoP3LeSS: there should also be some gui under System->manage
[04:20] <HoP3LeSS> thanks
[04:20] <siretart> HoP3LeSS: or in the mmc
[04:20] <HoP3LeSS> ill check this out with the win xp cd
[04:20] <HoP3LeSS> or ill boot linux and try to find it
[04:20] <HoP3LeSS> thanks guys
[04:20] <zido> does ubuntu come with a program for burning CDs?
[04:21] <dseomn> zido: yes, nautilus
[04:21] <wfx> gnome needs something better then nautilus
[04:21] <Ephemeral> how do i edit my Grub config?
[04:21] <wfx> sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:22] <zido> dseomn: how do i burn from nautilus ?
[04:22] <Ephemeral> is that all i need to edit to get windows recognised?
[04:22] <Guardiann> zido or get k3b
[04:22] <dseomn> zido: it should open automatically when you put in a blank disk
[04:22] <zido> hmm
[04:22] <zido> ok
[04:23] <wfx> yes
[04:23] <wfx> Ephemeral: yes
[04:23] <zido> dseomn: how long do i have to wait? :P
[04:24] <zido> hmm
[04:24] <IrIT> hi
[04:24] <zido> it cant find a media in the drive :S
[04:24] <IrIT> i've just installed ubuntu. And i must say: 'Nice work!'
[04:25] <IrIT> i've a Logitech Pro 4000 webcam. Does it work with ubuntu?
[04:25] <wfx> why does some app need so long to start (example: nautilus -> open file with gedit -> takes ~1min.)?
[04:26] <zido> hmm, i can't mount either my DVD ROM or my CD burner.. it says there's no media in the drive.. (there is)
[04:26] <Ephemeral> hmm how do add this to grub
[04:26] <Ephemeral> its on SDA1
[04:26] <wfx> nautilus is a bug... ( i think so)
[04:28] <zido> hmm
[04:28] <zido> any way to fix it?
[04:29] <Ex-Cyber> wfx: what kind of hardware do you have?
[04:31] <Ephemeral> title 		Windows
[04:31] <Ephemeral> rootnoverify 	(sda,1)
[04:31] <Ephemeral> chainloader 	+1
[04:31] <Ephemeral> makeactive
[04:31] <Ephemeral> does this look right?
[04:32] <wfx> Ex-Cyber: AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2400+,Host bridge: VIA Technologies, PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, FireWire (IEEE 1394), RAID bus controller, USB, MemTotal:       776628 kB  ... what you want to know
[04:32] <Mabus> Ephemeral: (sda1,1) ?
[04:33] <Ephemeral> sda1?
[04:33] <wfx> sda doe in grub not all device follow hd0 - hdn
[04:33] <Ephemeral> its one Serail ATA Drive
[04:33] <zido> Guardiann: i installed k3b, when i start it i get about 1-2 pages of warnings before it launches :P
[04:33] <Ephemeral> and M$ is on the first partition
[04:34] <snowblink> Ephemeral: cat /boot/grub/device.map
[04:34] <wfx> :-)
[04:34] <toothpick> Where is the package list?
[04:34] <wfx> Ex-Cyber: ?
[04:35] <Ephemeral> david@ubuntu:~ $ cat /boot/grub/device.map
[04:35] <Ephemeral> (hd0)   /dev/sda
[04:35] <wfx> then it should be hd0,0
[04:35] <snowblink> Ephemeral: sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda
[04:35] <Mabus> if MS is on the first partition, it should be hd0,0, yes.
[04:35] <lordan> wfx, you could try prelink..
[04:35] <toothpick> I want to see if it is using x.org
[04:36] <Mabus> toothpick: dpkg -l | grep xorg
[04:36] <toothpick> Mabus, I'm not on ubuntu ;)
[04:36] <snowblink> Ephemeral: a=0, b=1, etc
[04:36] <Mabus> toothpick: heh, why do you ask here, then? :)
[04:36] <IrIT> does anyone of you play Enemy Territory?
[04:37] <zido> Guardiann: might be because i'm not running KDE, so it can't find ALOT of files in a nonexsisting KDE folder in my homedirectory :P
[04:37] <wfx> lordan: i give it a try, but there most be something wrong with nautilus
[04:37] <IrIT> because i've just installed it but i have no sound
[04:37] <wfx> lordan: do you have a bugzilla acccount?
[04:37] <Ephemeral> title		Windows 2000
[04:37] <Ephemeral> rootnoverify	(hd0,0)
[04:37] <Ephemeral> chainloader	+1
[04:37] <Ephemeral> makeactive
[04:37] <Ephemeral> just save that and reboot?
[04:38] <Mabus> you need boot as well
[04:38] <Mabus> add 'boot' as the last line
[04:38] <Ephemeral> ok
[04:38] <Ephemeral> i see
[04:38] <Ephemeral> title		Windows 2000
[04:38] <Ephemeral> rootnoverify	(hd0,0)
[04:38] <Ephemeral> chainloader	+1
[04:38] <Ephemeral> makeactive
[04:38] <Ephemeral> boot
[04:39] <snowblink> don't think you need that
[04:39] <wfx> open with from nautilus is extreem slow!
[04:39] <Mabus> and I'm not sure, but perhaps you should be using 'savedefault' instead of 'makeactive'
[04:39] <dseomn> Mabus: makeactive is right
[04:39] <Mabus> dseomn: ok
[04:39] <wfx> from the application menu is it normaly
[04:39] <snowblink> Ephemeral: I think you're okay with it as it was
[04:39] <wfx> normal
[04:40] <Mabus> snowblink: you don't need 'boot' in menuoptions ?
[04:40] <Mabus> I know I need it when I use the grub console
[04:40] <lordan> wfx, yes..
[04:40] <snowblink> Mabus: I'm working off of mine - doesn't have boot
[04:40] <dseomn> Mabus: boot is auto -appended at EOF or next title
[04:40] <Mabus> ah
[04:40] <wasabi> hmm. kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
[04:40] <wasabi> Any ideas?
[04:40] <wfx> can you add a bug for me i dont like to crate a account that i not use
[04:41] <toothpick> Mabus: can you tell me if it xfree or xorg please.
[04:41] <Mabus> wfx: do you have any debug logs ?
[04:41] <wfx> lordan: hmmm i take a look
[04:41] <Mabus> toothpick: I can't tell if you are using xorg or xfree, no.
[04:41] <Mabus> toothpick: what distro are you using ?
[04:41] <toothpick> Mabus, not me, the default ubuntu.
[04:42] <lordan> wfx, prelink may take some time to run though..
[04:42] <toothpick> I use sid and am on xfree
[04:42] <Mabus> toothpick: ah, xfree
[04:42] <toothpick> Thanks.
[04:42] <lordan> so do it while u sleep :)
[04:42] <snowblink> dseomn: good to know
[04:42] <Mabus> toothpick: but you can use xorg if you want to
[04:42] <Mabus> toothpick: (in ubuntu)
[04:42] <toothpick> ok gotcha.
[04:43] <djtansey> i just upgraded to hoary, and now some of my evolution icons are gone. any suggestions for getting them back?
[04:44] <scandium> is there a VoIP/SIP client in main? If so, which one, if not, are there any attempts towards getting a certain client in?
[04:44] <lordan> does anybody know how I get rid of KDE apps in my gnome-menu in the current (state of) hoary?
[04:44] <lordan> i was forced to install kde
[04:44] <lordan> now kde apps clutter my menus.
[04:44] <lordan> I *don't* want that
[04:44] <misionero> i got a problem with ubuntu installation
[04:44] <misionero> can anyone help me please
[04:44] <Riddell> lordan: you can edit menus with applications:///
[04:45] <Riddell> or by uninsalling the applications
[04:45] <wfx> for the audio cd bug there is only "cdrom: open failed" no more i can reproduce it if i boot with a audio cd in the drive -> no /dev/DEVICE if i boot without the audio cd in the device i have the /dev/DEVICE (DEVICE is for me hdd)
[04:45] <djtansey> and, on a related note, my bottom panel shows the applications really tiny (approx 32-48 pixels). how do you change it so it is proportional to how many apps are open?
[04:45] <lordan> misionero, only if you give us details..
[04:45] <lordan> Ridell, no, applications:/// is b0rken
[04:46] <misionero> when i get to the part to install the base system it tells me that there is somenthing wrong with Dbootstrap
[04:47] <giard> is there an irc channel for hoary questions?
[04:48] <Riddell> giard: this one
[04:49] <lordan> and i can't uninstall that damn thing
[04:49] <lordan> because i need (parts of) kde
[04:49] <lordan> I don't think applications:/// has worked since 2.9.1
[04:50] <Riddell> lordan: if you need them why do you not want them in your menus?
[04:50] <lordan> because, I don't run kde apps when I'm in Gnome
[04:50] <lordan> If I want to run KDE apps I switch to fvwm.
[04:50] <wfx> wow gedit start (must be ~10min. ago i start it form nautilus) and now it crash
[04:51] <Riddell> lordan: why is that?
[04:51] <wfx> maybe libgtk-x11
[04:51] <lordan> Ridell, not following you.
[04:51] <lordan> You mean why don't I run KDE apps from Gnome?
[04:51] <Riddell> lordan: yes
[04:52] <lordan> Well, 128 Mb RAM
[04:52] <lordan> KDE is *way* too heavy for that
[04:57] <IrIT> /dev/dsp: No such device  Could not toggle. This is the error i get when startet Enemy Territory. And theni have no sound?
[04:57] <wfx> i must leav have fun
[04:57] <wfx> e
[04:57] <wfx> ;-)
[04:58] <NanoTek> KiKoo !!
[05:00] <brad_s> IriT:  do you have an entry at  /dev/dsp ?
[05:00] <IrIT> ?
[05:00] <IrIT> my sound works in xmms
[05:02] <brad_s> fair enough, but you might only have the ALSA modules loaded.
[05:02] <brad_s> try typing this at a terminal:
[05:02] <brad_s> lsmod | grep 'oss'
[05:02] <brad_s> and tell me if it lists anything.
[05:03] <IrIT> yes
[05:03] <wasabi> so... i think my initrd doesn't contain the proper driver for my raid card... how does one force a driver into an initrd?
[05:03] <IrIT> 2 sec.. gotta restart
[05:04] <pw> Ubuntans!
[05:04] <da_bon_bon> hey all
[05:05] <pw> Here's a funny thing.
[05:05] <pw> I plug my camera in, the first time, I get a usbdisk icon on the desktop. This is cool.
[05:05] <pw> This actually points at /media/usbdisk.
[05:05] <pw> I unplug it, the icon goes away and /media/usbdisk goes away, too.
[05:06] <pw> Now, I plug it for a second time, and /media/usbdisk mounts, but I get no icon.
[05:06] <pw> Ideas?
[05:06] <auto> can you still access the camera?
[05:07] <pw> Yeah, /media/usbdisk comes and goes as I plug/unplug the camera; it's just the desktop icon I'm missing.
[05:07] <auto> thats strange
[05:07] <pw> innit just?
[05:08] <wasabi> .
[05:09] <outBoB> pw: known bug
[05:10] <Deft> hey, does Ubuntu have any standard system for reporting text/translation bugs?
[05:10] <outBoB> pw: right click on the CD and mount it or whatever
[05:10] <pw> outBoB: It's not a CD, it's a camera.
[05:10] <outBoB> Deft: not that I know of, use bugzilla
[05:10] <MasterFox> Hello folks
[05:10] <_4strO> hello
[05:10] <outBoB> pw: I know, but trying to mount the CD will refresh the mount database
[05:10] <Deft> outBoB, well, it seems a bit major to open a bug for each spelling mistake...
[05:10] <Twiggy> Can anybody point me to a place to config my sound card?  It's worked under plenty of distros, I'm just not seeing where I can get the alsaconf command so I can config it
[05:10] <Falstius> is there a source package for the 2.6.10-2 kernel?
[05:10] <_4strO> ATI driver on Xorg ?
[05:10] <pw> outBoB: 'ow queer.
[05:11] <_4strO> possible to have 3d acceleration ?
[05:11] <outBoB> pw: yes, it's a problem with gamin and inotify
[05:11] <outBoB> _4strO: yes with fglrx
[05:11] <_4strO> mmm i have
[05:11] <outBoB> Falstius: there should be, linux-source-2.6.10-2
[05:12] <outBoB> Deft: possibly, perhaps make a bug about it :)
[05:12] <MasterFox> Anyone know why I would not be able to get a floppy to mount
[05:12] <_4strO> xorg-driver-fglrx
[05:12] <Deft> outBoB, good plan, I'll do that
[05:12] <_4strO> i have that
[05:12] <_4strO> but no acceleration
[05:12] <_4strO> :/
[05:12] <_4strO> ( Operating System ) Linux Debian-3.1 Kernel: 2.6.10-2-386, GNU/Linux | Xorg: <IP_ADDRESS> | Desktop: Gnome v2.9 | IRC Client: X-Chat v.2.4.1
[05:12] <outBoB> _4strO: you also need linux-restricted-modules
[05:12] <_4strO> outBoB> i will see
[05:12] <outBoB> sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[05:13] <_4strO> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-2-k7
[05:13] <_4strO> with mpy athlon ?
[05:14] <Falstius> outBoB: I swear that wasn't there 5 minutes ago :)
[05:14] <Twiggy> outBoB: What repo has 2.6.10?
[05:14] <jdub> outBoB: i don't like the gamin/inotify bugs. it makes me want to disable gamin's inotify support, which means dnotify holding devices hostage. ;)
[05:14] <outBoB> sounds good
[05:14] <outBoB> Falstius: ;)
[05:14] <outBoB> Twiggy: hoary
[05:14] <jdub> outBoB: whichever wins, we lose </avp>
[05:14] <outBoB> jdub: haha yes
[05:14] <Twiggy> outBoB: How stable is it to use hoary?
[05:14] <outBoB> it's like stabbing yourself in the eye to stop the bleeding
[05:14] <HrdwrBoB> Twiggy: reasonably
[05:15] <_4strO> HrdwrBoB> with smp or no ?
[05:15] <_4strO> ior both
[05:15] <HrdwrBoB> _4strO: depends which kernel you're using
[05:15] <HrdwrBoB> run the command I said before
[05:15] <_4strO> k
[05:15] <Falstius> anyone have a board with ich6 and working audio?
[05:16] <MasterFox> Ok this is really bugging me. When I try to open a flopy I get unknown filesystm. It's basically a PC formatted (Under WinXP) floppy how do I get this to mount?
[05:17] <_4strO> HrdwrBoB> he said i have the lastest
[05:17] <_4strO> the more recent
[05:17] <_4strO> :p
[05:17] <_4strO> sorry for my uggly english
[05:19] <HrdwrBoB> _4strO: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:19] <HrdwrBoB> follow those instructions
[05:19] <_4strO> kk thx
[05:21] <Deft> MasterFox, where is it failing?
[05:21] <MasterFox> I tried opening it in Nautilus
[05:22] <Deft> have you tried mounting it from a commandline and giving the filesystem type?
[05:22] <Twiggy> Can anybody point me to a place to config my sound card?  It's worked under plenty of distros, I'm just not seeing where I can get the alsaconf command so I can config it
[05:23] <MasterFox> Yes, I tried mount /dev/fd0 and recieved the same error
[05:23] <Deft> Twiggy, what about the card isn't configured? are the right modules loaded for it?
[05:23] <Deft> MasterFox, did you try that with -tvfat?
[05:23] <_4strO> what does smp at the end of kernel name means ?
[05:24] <Deft> _4strO, multi-processor
[05:24] <MasterFox> With or without the sudo command?
[05:24] <_4strO> thx Deft
[05:24] <MasterFox> NM I have to sudo. LOL
[05:26] <snowblink> Got amarok now. I've run the wizard, but it dies just after it starts looking for music. Any ideas?
[05:26] <snowblink> looks like KDE app doesn't like to play in GNOME
[05:26] <MasterFox> not working
[05:27] <Deft> same error?
[05:27] <qcompson_> snowblink: you might want to fool around with the soundserver amarok uses
[05:27] <kapputu> hello everyone
[05:27] <MasterFox> gives me the help info
[05:27] <kapputu> I changed my video card
[05:27] <kapputu> how do I configure my X again?
[05:27] <MasterFox> Running Warty still if that helps, heh
[05:27] <Deft> kapputu, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86?
[05:28] <Twiggy> Deft: Modules are loaded, yeah
[05:29] <Twiggy> Deft: I get an error on boot/trying to run alsamixer
[05:29] <MasterFox> Floppy would be /dev/fd0 right?
[05:29] <kapputu> an easier way?
[05:30] <HrdwrBoB> MasterFox: you can mount floppy with pmount /dev/fd0
[05:30] <Deft> Twiggy, run the Users and groups program and see if you are allowed to access sound
[05:30] <kapputu> nope
[05:30] <kapputu> I'm going to reinstall Ubuntu
[05:30] <snowblink> qcompson_: have got all the soundserver bits, but it crashes with kio errors
[05:30] <Deft> kapputu, it's not at all complicated
[05:30] <klaym> how do I change desktop theme on Ubuntu?
[05:31] <wasabi> uh so like, i really need help with my unbootable Ubuntu system.
[05:31] <Twiggy> Deft: I am, the error says 'No cards found'
[05:31] <wasabi> kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
[05:31] <Riddell> snowblink: do you get the same problem with other KDE apps?
[05:31] <Twiggy> Deft: Proper module is loaded though, and lspci shows it as well
[05:31] <kapputu> I know I'm not giving it the right info
[05:32] <snowblink> Riddell: first KDE app I'm running on this box. Am new to GNOME.
[05:32] <Deft> kapputu, you shouldn't need to give it much, it should pick the right options for most things
[05:34] <snowblink> Riddell: suspect it has something to do with KDE rather than amarok specifically
[05:35] <proudhon> hi
[05:35] <Riddell> snowblink: could you install another kde app (kwrite for example) and see if it crashes too?
[05:35] <proudhon> can anyone help me with my tv card ?
[05:35] <proudhon> ive installed the basic system
[05:36] <proudhon> sudo apt-get tvtime did not work
[05:36] <proudhon> and the other ganome program did not work
[05:36] <snowblink> Riddell: okay. Installing kcalc...
[05:36] <MasterFox> pmount did not work, still asking for filesystem
[05:36] <proudhon> wich program should i instaal guys ?
[05:37] <proudhon> there seem to be debian unstable .debs for tv-time
[05:37] <snowblink> Riddell: kcalc appears to work
[05:37] <proudhon> can i use them ?
[05:37] <MasterFox> sudo mount -tvfat /dev/fd0 did not work either, it just brought up the same dialog as if you type mount --help
[05:38] <snowblink> Riddell: konqueror seems to have installed itself, and that works too
[05:38] <Riddell> snowblink: probably an amarok problem, try running it form the command line and seeing what message it gives out
[05:38] <Deft> MasterFox, you need the whole command, mount -tvfat /dev/fd0 /media/floppy
[05:38] <MasterFox> oops
[05:39] <proudhon> this aint a help channel i guess
[05:39] <proudhon> only devs here
[05:39] <proudhon> can i
[05:39] <proudhon> do u guys have another channel for peeps like me ?
[05:39] <snowblink> Riddell: seems to be behaving now. I think the problem was that I did not have a .kde directory. kcalc or konqueror must have created
[05:39] <zooko> proudhon: I
[05:40] <zooko> 'm not really a regular on this channel, but I'll take aminute to try to help you out.
[05:40] <proudhon> thanks
[05:40] <snowblink> Riddell: thanks for help. Will point amarok folk at this.
[05:40] <proudhon> ive got a pctv rA
[05:40] <zooko> I don't know what a "pctv rA" is.
[05:40] <proudhon> PINNACLE PCTV Rave card
[05:40] <proudhon> sorry typo
[05:40] <zooko> Oh.
[05:40] <zooko> never heard of it...
[05:40] <NiteHawk> i use tvtime
[05:40] <NiteHawk> works fine
[05:41] <proudhon> it seems to be working becouse i can wacht tv via gnomemeeting
[05:41] <oly> eeeek, proudhon depends on the version of that card
[05:41] <proudhon> i just need a tv app
[05:41] <oly> newer ones have trouble
[05:41] <proudhon> frontend
[05:41] <oly> cuz i got one :p
[05:41] <oly> i can get to channels and sounds dont work
[05:41] <oly> two*
[05:41] <proudhon> mine worked out fine under suse 9.0 oly
[05:41] <zooko> Is there a 32-bit libSDL in Ubuntu?  I haven't found one so I monkey-installed one from debian.
[05:42] <proudhon> ubuntu has no tv apps ?