[12:36] <anu> !seveas
[12:36] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages. More info (and mirrors) on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[12:38] <wastedfluid> anybody have an alternative for networkmanager?
[12:38] <gdiebel> wastedfluid: tried knetworkmanager?
[12:39] <wastedfluid> gdiebel;  that's what i'm using that I hate; knetworkmanager.  I type in my WEP key, and it just does nothing.. it gets to 28%, and doesn't let me try anything else.. i have to reboot to try another setting.
[12:41] <gdiebel> wastedfluid: if it sits there trying to connect, just close the window and try again. it should cancel the previous operations. more generally, are you using the wep passphrase or the key itself? you can set which one to use explicitly
[12:42] <NickPresta> If I install *buntu on a computer using the alternate install CD because the desktop CD gives me X errors, does that mean my fully installed system will start off with an X error too?
[12:42] <angasule> !pppoe
[12:42] <ubotu> Setting up an ADSL/PPPoE connection? Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ADSLPPPoE
[12:42] <angasule> it's a fracking joke :(
[12:43] <carbonfreeze> angasule: agree +1. Should be a GUI like YAST.. lol
[12:43] <angasule> carbonfreeze: I haven't used yast in years, but pppoeconf is horrible :P
[12:44] <angasule> carbonfreeze: it's a real problem, because all the broadband ISPs in my country use pppoe
[12:44] <sammy> okay this doesn't seem right. reading the repository documentation, it seems feisty-backports is added by checking 'unsupported updates' in adept-manager
[12:44] <carbonfreeze> angasule: yeah. I like YaST alot more than the kubuntu config stuff, its just faster to setup sometimes
[12:45] <sirius> Hi there, can anyone point me to the place where I can get some help about a network problem in my Kubuntu, This is my first time at linux althought I'm a .NET Developer and a research, just need some orientation and I will try to bother you guys as little as I can
[12:45] <angasule> carbonfreeze: I remember in SuSE 7 I loved it, very good stuff
[12:45] <sammy> erm, scratch that. first things first. I added the kubuntu.org repository for kde-3.5.7 and when i update the available packages, there's nothing 3.5.7 there. i followed the directions a few times, to the letter.
[12:45] <angasule> sirius: you would have to be more specific
[12:46] <NickPresta> !network | sirius
[12:46] <ubotu> sirius: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[12:46] <NickPresta> sirius, that may not be helpful. What seems to be the problem?
[12:46] <trekdanne> sirius: the Linux Document Project has good technical howtos on almost everything.
[12:47] <sirius> Well I've installed my speedtouch ( and hard taks) and I'm obviusly connected, still my Konkeror browser just don't connect to any site ( sorry for m bad english, I can refrase if you miss anything )
[12:47] <sammy> is anyone in here running anything 3.5.7?
[12:47] <trekdanne> sirius: have you set up any web proxy?
[12:47] <sirius> nops,
[12:48] <carbonfreeze> sammy: gutsy has 3.5.7...
[12:48] <NickPresta> sammy, I've been running 3.5.7 for months.
[12:48] <sirius> I've followed the exact steps ath linux-usb.org/speedtouch/ubuntu/index.html
[12:49] <sirius> *at
[12:49] <NickPresta> sirius, did any steps fail or go wrong?
[12:49] <Arwen> sammy, I've got kdelibs 3.5.7 if that counts
[12:50] <sirius> No, everything went just fine, and as a result I'm connected, I don't get it, I can't resolve any webpage using
[12:50] <sirius> I'm also downloading some Updates
[12:50] <trekdanne> sirius: hmm try the text-based console browser "w3m"
[12:51] <NickPresta> sirius, so is this a Konqueror problem or is this a connection problem? If it's the former, try using another browser for now.
[12:51] <trekdanne> sirius: should be installed with kubuntu per default
[12:51] <angasule> !kubuntu+1
[12:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kubuntu+1 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:51] <NickPresta> !ubuntu+1
[12:51] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[12:52] <angasule> NickPresta: there is no IRC channel for #kubuntu+1 ?
[12:52] <sirius> Well the w3m browser works just fine
[12:53] <NickPresta> angasule, I suppose there aren't enough xubuntu, kubuntu and ubuntu users of Gutsy to warrant individual channels?
[12:53] <wastedfluid> gdiebel; i was using the wep phrase.
[12:53] <angasule> NickPresta: bummer, and kubuntu-dev list is rather unresponsive
[12:53] <NickPresta> angasule, well, try in ubuntu+1 and see if there are any kubuntu users there. I don't know what else to suggest
[12:54] <KondeDrakul> how i enable hibernation in my laptop ?
[12:54] <angasule> NickPresta: I did, no one is even talking there heh
[12:54] <sammy> NickPresta: gutsy or feisty?
[12:54] <sammy> sorry, I should have specified.
[12:54] <sammy> I followed the directions for adding the 3.5.7 repository but it's not working. and 3.5.7 isn't in the backports, either, I guess.
[12:54] <nosrednaekim> angasule: no... if you have any real problems with kubuntu specific things go to the deveolpment channel
[12:54] <NickPresta> sammy, I'm on Feisty
[12:55] <NickPresta> sammy, deb http://mirror.cc.columbia.edu/pub/software/kde/stable/3.5.7/kubuntu feisty main
[12:55] <adenicio> stdin: t la?
[12:55] <sammy> you're ahead of me, thanks :) i'll try that one, maybe the kubuntu.org one isn't working for some reason.
[12:55] <angasule> nosrednaekim: what? I'm in #ubuntu+1 , is there *another* dev channel?
[12:55] <nosrednaekim> angasule: #kubuntu-devel for bug with kDE apps and such.
[12:56] <code_x> hello, my knetwork manager is not showing my wireless AP but 'iwconfig' showing it. can someone tell me how can i fix this ?
[12:56] <angasule> nosrednaekim: thanks, I guess that's the good thing about standards, there are so many to choose from ;)
[12:56] <nosrednaekim> code_x: iwconfig doesn't show AP's... thats iwlist...
[12:56] <sirius> I've noticed that the Kopete app it is also not working, so I guess that it isn't a kokeror problem, any clues?
[12:56] <magnus__> salve
[12:56] <magnus__> c' qualcuno?
[12:57] <code_x> sorry i ment 'iwlist'
[12:57] <magnus__> cazo
[12:57] <magnus__> cazzo*
[12:57] <magnus__> inglesi
[12:57] <code_x> i wnat to know why its now show up in knetworkmanager
[12:57] <magnus__> buttana di eva
[12:57] <nosrednaekim> code_x: hmm... no clue
[12:57] <NickPresta> magnus__, what language?
[12:57] <sammy> ah-ha! that repository works! thanks NickPresta. I'll edit the wiki page with the kubuntu.org link that is apparently dead or needs to be investigated.
[12:57] <magnus__> you speak italian?
[12:57] <code_x> i used to show up before but today iam just not seeing
[12:57] <KondeDrakul> nosrednaekim, hello do you know how enable hibernation in laptop ?
[12:57] <wastedfluid> Does anybody know of a different network manager than knetworkmanager?  anything to connect to a wireless router?  I'm having nothing but problems with it.
[12:58] <NickPresta> !it | magnus__
[12:58] <ubotu> magnus__: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[12:58] <code_x> sosrednaekim: so you know how i can use my wireless from the command line
[12:58] <malqos> can i change walpaper on only one workspace?
[12:58] <magnus__> grazieeeee
[12:58] <magnus__> thx
[12:58] <magnus__> :D
[12:58] <nosrednaekim> KondeDrakul: heh...if its not working... it'll be a big pain if it even works in the end.
[12:58] <NickPresta> ciao, magnus__
[12:58] <magnus__> kubuntu non ubuntu
[12:58] <nosrednaekim> code_x: sure... do you have any encryption on?
[12:58] <magnus__> :S
[12:59] <code_x> no
[12:59] <magnus__> kubuntu-it
[12:59] <magnus__> no?
[12:59] <sirius> Well I guess you're all just too busy, I will try to fix this on my own, Thank you all for your Help.
[12:59] <NickPresta> magnus__, #kubuntu-it should be the italian channel for Kubuntu
[12:59] <nosrednaekim> sirius: yeah sorry.
[12:59] <NickPresta> !volunteer | sirius
[12:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about volunteer - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:59] <nosrednaekim> sirius: I didn't even hear your problem.
[12:59] <sirius> nosrednaekim:  No problem :)
[12:59] <magnus__> bye
[12:59] <magnus__> thz
[01:00] <magnus__> thx*
[01:00] <sirius> nosrednaekim:  got a spare minuts?
[01:00] <NickPresta> sirius, repeat your question later. There will be others available to help you who may know what your problem could be.
[01:01] <sirius> NickPresta: Sure, I will try the Portugues Channel, or the Spanish, thanks u all
[01:01] <code_x> nosrednaekim: no encryption on
[01:02] <adenicio> stdin: je sui revenu pour le sujet dinstal real player sur feity.in the third party thing i should put"deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu dapper-commercial main" then edit it?.but when i edit it it crashes.so i change dapper to feity befor i past it in the third parti but it doesnt enter
[01:02] <nosrednaekim> code_x: ok run this command "sudo iwconfig <network device name, i.e eth0> <AP name>" and then "sudo dhclient <device name>"
[01:04] <adenicio> nosrednaekim: can u help me to install real plyer so i can watch strems
[01:04] <nosrednaekim> sirius: heh shoot... lets see if I know :)
[01:05] <code_x> nosrednaekim: when i run the command it says "error: unrecognised wireless request "dlink"
[01:05] <code_x> i did "sudo iwconfig eth1 dlink"
[01:06] <code_x> dlink is the name of the access point
[01:06] <nosrednaekim> code_x: heh... sorry... my bad. run "sudo iwconfig eth1 ESSID dlink"
[01:06] <sirius> nosrednaekim: I've configured my SpeedTouch 330 and I can get Intenet access still I can't use Konkeror nor Kopete, but the w3m browser works
[01:06] <nosrednaekim> adenicio: sorry, no experience with that.
[01:07] <nosrednaekim> sirius: can you ping?
[01:07] <sirius> nosrednaekim: I guess so otherwise won't be here ( keep alive) still just gona check it , One moment please
[01:08] <nosrednaekim> sirius: are you using a proxy?
[01:08] <nosrednaekim> or are you supposed to be?
[01:08] <droach> i have a question thats kind of stupid i think i already know the answere but here it goes
[01:08] <sirius> nosrednaekim: Checked, I can Ping, no I don  use proxy
[01:08] <code_x> nosrednaekim: thanks it worked, but who do i if i have uses encryption
[01:08] <nosrednaekim> sirius: ok, so not a DNS problem.
[01:08] <droach> i installed a new hardrive on one of my other machines the bios was set to none but linux still recognized my harddrive
[01:09] <Biovore> sounds about right..
[01:09] <droach> so i was wondering if i put and 80 gig hdd in an old computer whos bios couldnt handle it
[01:09] <Biovore> nope
[01:09] <droach> would it still work
[01:09] <nosrednaekim> code_x: iwconfig only works with WEP encryption... WPArequires some other stuff.
[01:09] <Biovore> ATA addressing issue..
[01:09] <Biovore> droach: nope
[01:09] <adenicio> nosrednaekim: no prob i just find another way to insall it wich is a bin file in the terminal with cd
[01:09] <Biovore> well 1/2 of it would
[01:10] <droach> cuz the pc had a 13 gig hdd in it
[01:10] <Biovore> what generation computer
[01:10] <Biovore> ata66?
[01:10] <Biovore> ata33?
[01:10] <Biovore> ata100?
[01:10] <droach> 450mhz sis530 mainboard
[01:10] <sirius> nosrednaekim: I don't realy know the way linux works, still is it possible that it is only accepting request from a lowlevel like terminal use ( well guess not because I'me using a Graphical IRC Client) , or is it possible to be a permision issue??? ( Don't really understand the basis of Unix Systems
[01:11] <Biovore> droach: I think those were ata66..  I tihnk they support up to 120 GB...
[01:11] <nosrednaekim> sirius: don't think its either of those really.
[01:11] <code_x> thank anyways
[01:11] <droach> the bios wouldnt autodetect a 40 gig or an 80 gig
[01:12] <droach> i could flash the bios but i have only one computer with a floppy drive and its the one that is not running
[01:12] <drif> droach: latest available bios installed?
[01:12] <droach> see above
[01:12] <nosrednaekim> sirius: its kinda odd.... ah... heh I think I know what it is...
[01:12] <sirius> nosrednaekim: I'm lost, It's my first time at linux, I was just sick of VISTA, and as a Researcher I do need a machine with and trustble OS (and after the reviews and some Beryl videos I've Chosed Kubuntu)
[01:12] <drif> droach: yup, noticed that - but bit hard to undo on irc :D
[01:13] <nosrednaekim> sirius: try some non-kde apps and see if they work..
[01:13] <sirius> well w3m works
[01:13] <sirius> nosrednaekim: w3m works
[01:13] <droach> i think im going to boot up knoppix with the 80 gig installed but turned off in the bios and see if it detects it that way
[01:14] <underdog5004> sirius, what's the problem?
[01:14] <nosrednaekim> sirius: I think its knetworkmanager's problem. it probably doesn't detect you have a working net connection and hence tells all KDE apps not to even try going to the internet
[01:14] <nosrednaekim> sirius: I've seen it happen b4
[01:15] <carbonfreeze> knetworkmanager sucks
[01:15] <carbonfreeze> i cant stand it
[01:15] <sirius> nosrednaekim:  Still I'me using a KDE IRC Client ( well it's a desktop based app with a GUI so I think tha this is must be KDE )
[01:15] <underdog5004> I prefer it to wlassistant
[01:15] <carbonfreeze> it doesnt do dialup/pppoe easily
[01:15] <underdog5004> ifconfig ftw, though
[01:15] <droach> well i have to shut down and find my kvm (only got one keyboard and mouse ill come back if it dosent work
[01:15] <carbonfreeze> it should do all interfaces good
[01:15] <underdog5004> kppp for dialup
[01:15] <carbonfreeze> i like that it does wpa seamlessly
[01:15] <underdog5004> good point
[01:15] <carbonfreeze> but that is the ONLY reason i use it
[01:16] <nosrednaekim> sirius: yeah... but it not look at the config thing... does firfox work (or don'tyou have firefox...).
[01:16] <carbonfreeze> the suse version of knetworkmanager will do dialup/pppoe but it is really buggy (see: doesnt connect when you want it to,etc)
[01:17] <sirius> nosrednaekim:  I don't have it and I don't know how to download it because the w3m browser is still wayy to odd for a Vista User
[01:17] <sirius> nosrednaekim:  let me just give it a try
[01:17] <sirius> nosrednaekim:  Downloading
[01:18] <nosrednaekim> sirius: pop up a console and run "sudo apt-get update"
[01:18] <nosrednaekim> sirius: off the firefox website?
[01:19] <sirius> nosrednaekim:  Yaps but it was the Win version (dummy thinkg ... lol )
[01:19] <nosrednaekim> sirius: run that command I said..
[01:19] <nosrednaekim> sirius: Linux has awesomely easy program management.
[01:19] <sirius> nosrednaekim:  Odd thing happen with the Update, It can't resolve a major part of nvidia sites
[01:20] <sirius> nosrednaekim:  but it downloaded something
[01:20] <nosrednaekim> sirius: ok... thats fine... w/e
[01:20] <nosrednaekim> sirius: try running "sudo apt-get install firefox"
[01:20] <carbonfreeze> sirius: I have noticed similar issues when using gentoo on my PS3, are you behind any kind of switch/router?
[01:20] <NickPresta> Any idea if pidgin's plugin-pack will be in Gutsy?
[01:21] <carbonfreeze> NickPresta: wait 1 while i start adept..
[01:21] <sirius> carbonfreeze: Nops just me the Laptop and the modem(USB)
[01:21] <sirius> nosrednaekim: E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[01:21] <nosrednaekim> sirius: anything above that?
[01:22] <sirius> nosrednaekim: only that,
[01:22] <nosrednaekim> run " sudo dpkg --configure -a" then ;)
[01:22] <sirius> (I was reallly freaking me out to try the beryl  :( )
[01:23] <sirius> I mean overjyed or something like that
[01:23] <nosrednaekim> sirius: eh... don't worry... we'll get there.
[01:23] <nosrednaekim> sirius: but please don't tell me you have an ATI card.
[01:23] <carbonfreeze> NickPresta: I have pidgin-plugin-pack available in gutsy feed (7.10 tribe4+)
[01:24] <sirius> nosrednaekim: Ive a nVidia GeForce Go 7200
[01:24] <NickPresta> carbonfreeze, okay, thanks.
[01:24] <sirius> nosrednaekim: dpkg: falhou a escrita do registo status cerca de `openoffice.org-style-human' a `/var/lib/dpkg/status': No h mais espao no dispositivo
[01:24] <nosrednaekim> sirius: good thing I know a little spanish :)
[01:24] <anu> !ipod
[01:24] <ubotu> For information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto See !rockbox for information on liberating your iPod
[01:24] <sirius> nosrednaekim: Translation -. Couldn't write the registry near open.... : there isn't space in the device
[01:25] <nosrednaekim> sirius: are you running out of disk space?
[01:25] <sirius> nosrednaekim: (it Is portugues :) I'm portuguese, well still i live in spain (study))
[01:25] <sirius> don't really think cuse i've a 160 HD
[01:25] <nosrednaekim> oh :)
[01:25] <nosrednaekim> sirius: all for linux?ok.
[01:25] <sirius> nosrednaekim:  but let me double che ceck ir
[01:25] <sirius> nosrednaekim: sorry ?
[01:26] <nosrednaekim> all 160GB are for linux?
[01:26] <sirius> nosrednaekim: 150 ive a 5 for recovery #"$#####%" and 5 is used by the hardware
[01:27] <nosrednaekim> sirius: none for window? ok.
[01:27] <nosrednaekim> sirius: try "sudo apt-get install firefox" again.
[01:29] <adenicio> who got experience with watchin videos in streamin with real player?i need the videos to play with real player but it only playing in the browser konqueror firefox :-(
[01:30] <sirius> nosrednaekim:  After bieng a Windows developer for something like 7 years I just get tired of all the things i couldn't do and all the money it was costing me, still I'm researching Wep cracking for a report at university i've done it before still using it in an windows environment AND I colnd inject any trafic so I needed linux, and after beryl I'm in love, I do research in robotics so Human interaction whit machines ergo Ergonomics, I just
[01:30] <sirius> needed to try that on
[01:30] <sirius> nosrednaekim: the same error with firefox
[01:30] <sirius> (still linux makes me smoke alot loll )
[01:31] <nosrednaekim> sorry...
[01:31] <nosrednaekim> sirius: I really don't know what the problem with dpkg is...
[01:31] <adenicio> sirius: how do u crack wep keys?
[01:32] <adenicio> who got experience with watchin videos in streamin with real player?i need the videos to play with real player but it only playing in the browser konqueror firefox :-(
[01:32] <sirius> adenicio: Well you should read something about Crypto Algos and Initialization vectors
[01:33] <nosrednaekim> sirius: did you ask on the portugeause channel?
[01:33] <sirius> adenicio: althoug it can be a pretty much automated proccess with the tools online today
[01:33] <sirius> nosrednaekim: Portugues no one reply and on the spanish they 're as lost as I am, still I thankyou your help, and you efforts
[01:34] <sirius> nosrednaekim:  this kind of support makes me really really love linux
[01:34] <nosrednaekim> sirius: well ok... run "sudo apt-get update again" and pastebin the output.
[01:34] <nosrednaekim> !pastebin
[01:34] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[01:34] <adenicio> sirius: Crypto Algos and Initialization vectors???ok stop right there i sound to complicated for my chiken brain :-/
[01:34] <droach> man i didnt realize how slow a 450mhz was
[01:34] <droach> i remember when that was "bleeding edge"
[01:35] <adenicio> who got experience with watchin videos in streamin with real player?i need the videos to play with real player but it only playing in the browser konqueror firefox :-(
[01:35] <nosrednaekim> sirius: if all else fails.. leave a post on the ubuntu forums.
[01:36] <sirius> adenicio: that's the theory but you realy don't need it , you can just donwload some apps and crack (with enought data packets) a small 64bit key whithout that much effort
[01:36] <sirius> nosrednaekim: I can't open paste.ubunt......
[01:36] <nosrednaekim> adenicio: if you have an atheros in linux, you can do it easily with aircrack and aireplay
[01:36] <nosrednaekim> sirius: right... lol... can you PM me?
[01:36] <sirius> sure
[01:36] <nosrednaekim> paste it there.
[01:37] <droach> god i love linux
[01:37] <sirius> nosrednaekim: It's still running
[01:37] <sirius> just a moment please
[01:37] <adenicio> nosrednaekim: sirius:lol u all are talkin the the room how to decrypt wep keys isnt it elegal here?
[01:38] <nosrednaekim> sirius: ok.. let it go..
[01:38] <nosrednaekim> adenicio:probably... sssshhhhh!
[01:39] <adenicio> nosrednaekim: sirius:if not can someone tell me how to use doscan to enter someone pc?
[01:39] <nosrednaekim> sirius: sorry,I have to go.
[01:39] <adenicio> nosrednaekim: lol
[01:39] <nosrednaekim> sirius: i'll stay logged on and PM the output... maybe someone else can help you..
[01:39] <nosrednaekim> I'll be back in about 30 minutes to an hour
[01:40] <sirius> adenicio: It's only ilegal if you  do it , know it is legal, and learn how to break and you will learn how to defend your self.
[01:40] <sirius> nosrednaekim: Ok Thank you :)
[01:40] <sirius> adenicio: well it's not related with WiFi Security but you might learn , something , www.net-force.nl, it's one of my favs
[01:42] <droach> i have another stupic question (i dont have alot of experience with linux and old pcs)
[01:42] <Arwen> go right ahead and ask
[01:42] <droach> i figured out that linux will detect my 80 hdd on a bios that cant support it so....
[01:42] <adenicio> join #net-force
[01:43] <droach> i was wondering if i could put grub on a cd and get that to load linux on my hdd
[01:43] <adenicio> lol i taugh it was a chanel
[01:43] <carbonfreeze> droach: you have 80mb hard disk? I have 55mb!
[01:43] <Ironic> Can't find a decent nick :/
[01:43] <Ironic> lolllll
[01:44] <carbonfreeze> it gets over 3.5Mb/s throughput!
[01:44] <droach> so can it be done?
[01:44] <sirius> adenicio: http://www.net-force.nl
[01:44] <carbonfreeze> droach: not sure, see if you can detect the disk with a live-cd like kubuntu or damn small linux
[01:45] <droach> yeah i could detect both my 40 gig and my 80 gig
[01:45] <carbonfreeze> you might need a boot floppy
[01:45] <droach> can i make a boot cd with grub
[01:46] <carbonfreeze> droach: I have never done so, but if you can make a floppy I'm sure you can make a bootable CD for grub menu. as long as the PC will boot form the cdrom
[01:46] <droach> well i still have the old 13 gig hardrive in there im going to hook all three up and boot from the 13 gig
[01:47] <carbonfreeze> i have a 4gb bigfoot
[01:47] <carbonfreeze> i also have a large electromagnet which is fun with hdd which are turned on
[01:47] <adenicio> ???
[01:48] <adenicio> how ironic
[01:48] <droach> i just have to figure out how to fit them all in this old nec case... i have an old emachine case (from a customers broken computer) i might take the hardrive cage out of there and shove it in the case
[01:49] <carbonfreeze> the big problem with ide hard disks is getting enough PCI IDE controllers for the old, small capacity drives
[01:50] <carbonfreeze> and a PSU that does not have a meltdown when spinning up all of those drives
[01:51] <droach> well i still have that emachines case but i dont know if the mainboard will fit in there
[01:51] <droach> or i could just try switching psu
[01:51] <ehc> how can I make a script run on startup?
[01:52] <droach> if your running kde put a script in there and chmod +x it.. ~/.kde/Autostart/
[01:54] <sparr> im trying to use an old ibook hard drive for a linux installation.  qtparted is telling me the partition changes cannot be committed, that i should unmount the drive.  it is not mounted.  if i edit the partition table in fdisk and reboot then fdisk sees the changes but qtparted still sees the old weird mac partition layout.  help?
[01:55] <sharkbrainguy> I'm trying to configure my windows (ntfs) drive to be easily accessible from my kde desktop. It now mounts on boot but tells me I don't have permissions to open it. this is the relevant line from fstab: /dev/hda1 /home/gerard/Desktop/Windows  auto users,atime,auto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 0
[01:56] <sharkbrainguy> how do I change the permissions
[01:56] <sharkbrainguy> ?
[01:56] <carbonfreeze> sharkbrainguy: 1). make sure it is mounted rw (it may not mount rw if dirty). 2). try umask=000 as option in fstab
[01:56] <carbonfreeze> writing to ntfs can be buggy; i prefer to setup a fat32 partition to share data or use a thumbdrive/network share
[01:57] <sharkbrainguy> how do I find out if it has mounted rw?
[01:57] <carbonfreeze> sharkbrainguy: mount
[01:57] <sharkbrainguy> cheers
[01:58] <sharkbrainguy> /dev/hda1 on /home/gerard/Desktop/Windows type ntfs (rw)
[01:58] <sharkbrainguy> seems to be fine'
[01:58] <sharkbrainguy> so I'll just try the umask thing
[01:58] <carbonfreeze> you will need to umount & mount the partition for changes to take effect
[02:00] <sharkbrainguy> truly you are a king among men
[02:01] <aryr100> hello all
[02:02] <elite101> Can someone *not* show me how to get a copy of windoze xp?
[02:02] <elite101> ;)
[02:03] <sharkbrainguy> I can *not* do that
[02:03] <elite101> lol
[02:03] <holycow> hi
[02:03] <elite101> hey
[02:03] <sharkbrainguy> in fact
[02:03] <sharkbrainguy> I can even *not* find my own copy
[02:03] <trekdanne> !piracy
[02:03] <ubotu> piracy discussion and other questionably legal practices are not welcome in the Ubuntu channels. Please take this discussion elsewhere or abstain from it altogether. This includes linking to pirated software, music and video. Also see !guidelines and !o4o
[02:03] <droach> getting the os isnt hard its getting the wright coprate key for the right version thats um *not* hard
[02:03] <sharkbrainguy> which is annoying because I *need* it
[02:04] <droach> corprate
[02:04] <droach> corporate
[02:04] <droach> hell forget it
[02:04] <sharkbrainguy> third times the charm
[02:04] <carbonfreeze> i hate it when people invalidate my VLKs because they use it at home
[02:05] <droach> there is a program that you can get that will make it "believe" it is activated
[02:05] <aryr100> need to run this cmd (gedit /etc/apt/sources.list) in kubuntu but not working ?
[02:05] <aryr100> sorry noob to kde
[02:05] <Arwen> kde has Kate, not gedit.
[02:05] <Arwen> go complain to whoever wrote the page
[02:05] <carbonfreeze> gedit > Kate anyway...
[02:05] <Arwen> LIES
[02:05] <droach> you just have to use the trial remote installation key that comes on the cd. but i dont know what its called
[02:05] <Arwen> Kate is so much better
[02:05] <droach> kwrite
[02:05] <carbonfreeze> its slow to load, though
[02:06] <carbonfreeze> like emacs
[02:06] <carbonfreeze> except slower
[02:06] <sharkbrainguy> oooh burn on emacs
[02:06] <carbonfreeze> im using kde and gedit still loads faster than kwrite or Kate
[02:06] <trekdanne> touche
[02:06] <droach> gtg dinners ready :D
[02:06] <sharkbrainguy> use nano instead
[02:06] <droach> or vi
[02:06] <sharkbrainguy> it has a cooler name then any of them!
[02:06] <carbonfreeze> eh, I use zile or mec (micro-emacs)
[02:06] <trekdanne> or ed
[02:06] <carbonfreeze> nano is fast though
[02:06] <sharkbrainguy> load up notepad in wine
[02:06] <carbonfreeze> it only takes 5 seconds to load on 486 DX25
[02:06] <sharkbrainguy> for REAL POWER
[02:07] <trekdanne> nano is big for *huge* considering its features
[02:07] <carbonfreeze> sciTE is kind of neat, pain to compile sometimes though
[02:07] <aryr100> kk tried Kate/etc/apt/sources.list still not working ?
[02:08] <carbonfreeze> it should be sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:08] <carbonfreeze> from a konsole
[02:08] <carbonfreeze> or kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:08] <carbonfreeze> from the run command prompt in kde
[02:09] <KondeDrakul> anyone install kde4?
[02:09] <nosrednaekim> aryr100: its a lowercase k.
[02:09] <nosrednaekim> kate
[02:09] <nosrednaekim> KondeDrakul: yep
[02:09] <KondeDrakul> could install with terminal ?
[02:10] <sharkbrainguy> can you not stretch icons in kde?
[02:10] <KondeDrakul> nosrednaekim ,is sudo aptitude install kde4 ?
[02:10] <nosrednaekim> !kde4 | KondeDrakul
[02:10] <ubotu> KondeDrakul: KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at <http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule>. Alpha 2 packages can be found at <http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-alpha2.php>.
[02:11] <carbonfreeze> sharkbrainguy: system settings ~> appearance ~> icons ~> advanced
[02:11] <aryr100> running in konsole ran (sudo kate/etc/apt/sources.list) nope what i'am I missing ?
[02:11] <carbonfreeze> sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:11] <carbonfreeze> needs to be a space
[02:11] <carbonfreeze> between the program and the file you want ot open
[02:11] <aryr100> kk thx
[02:12] <nosrednaekim> KondeDrakul: actually.. read this link.. http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php
[02:12] <nosrednaekim> aryr100: its "kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list"
[02:12] <nosrednaekim> carbonfreeze: you have to use kdesu with graphical programs
[02:13] <carbonfreeze> sudo gedit works for me =)
[02:15] <nosrednaekim> carbonfreeze: 1 thats a gnome programan 2 you are probably running gnome.
[02:15] <aryr100> kk working but getting X error ?
[02:15] <carbonfreeze> im running kde and i just used it with kwrite =)
[02:15] <carbonfreeze> only issue is /tmp permissions, but I'm betting kdesu has same issue
[02:15] <aryr100> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 167
[02:16] <carbonfreeze> that is because kubuntu xorg.conf file is setup to use touchscreen devices as default, shouldnt be an issue for you normally
[02:16] <nosrednaekim> carbonfreeze: anyway... its not reccomended.
[02:16] <nosrednaekim> aryr100: thats fine
[02:16] <aryr100> were do I fix this @
[02:18] <KondeDrakul> nosrednaekim ,in adept i enable usupported packages but how i how what sort of they
[02:18] <nosrednaekim> KondeDrakul: what?
[02:20] <KondeDrakul> nosrednaekim,what are files kde4 to install ,how i find it
[02:20] <nosrednaekim> KondeDrakul: just search for kde4 and install them all :)
[02:21] <KondeDrakul> nosrednaekim,there are a lot of files there called kde4....
[02:21] <nosrednaekim> lol... well you only need some basic ones.
[02:21] <nosrednaekim> like KDe4 base.. and kde4base-dev
[02:24] <carbonfreeze> KondeDrakul: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php
[02:24] <flaccid> why would you need kde4-dev
[02:24] <KondeDrakul> ok thankz
[02:26] <nosrednaekim> IDK.. the page reccomends it
[02:30] <flaccid> wierd
[02:30] <flaccid> no idea why..
[02:30] <nosrednaekim> yeah
[02:36] <KondeDrakul> nosrednaekim,the package Kde4admin-dev cannot be installed
[02:36] <nosrednaekim> heh... on't complain to me :)
[02:36] <carbonfreeze> breakage ftw
[02:36] <nosrednaekim> KondeDrakul: you don't need that anyway.
[02:36] <KondeDrakul> ok, i install the others
[02:37] <carbonfreeze> i doubt kde4 is going to be usable
[02:37] <KondeDrakul> carbonfreeze ,why you say that ?
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> heh... it isn't :)
[02:38] <nosrednaekim> but I like using some kde4 apps from kde3
[02:38] <aaron_> so whats the compression gui utility of choice?
[02:38] <carbonfreeze> because its beta, and there are only like 2 kde4 apps
[02:38] <carbonfreeze> tar cvf =)
[02:38] <carbonfreeze> eh, ark works ok
[02:38] <KondeDrakul> a ok
[02:39] <aaron_> is there anything that can let me choose custom compression?
[02:39] <flaccid> what is custom compression?
[02:39] <KondeDrakul> is better waiting for version more stable
[02:39] <MacZtttlkwork> OMG
[02:39] <nosrednaekim> carbonfreeze: thats not ture.. there are lots of Kde4 apps!
[02:40] <aaron_> well, for instance. right click on a folder. "create archive" and i don't want to use the default level for 7zip, i want to use the max compression. not an option
[02:40] <MacZtttlkwork> I've written my password in the username account and now it appears when writting, how can I delete it?
[02:40] <Arwen> eh? my archival tool of choice is 7z
[02:40] <Arwen> aaron_, there isn't a comprehensive frontend. You'll just have to open a terminal.
[02:40] <MacZtttlkwork> I mean in my e-mail account with Konqueror.
[02:40] <flaccid> aaron_: hmm nothing i know of besides editing options when making the archive. krusader is handy for archiving..
[02:40] <aaron_> grr. see. it's stuff like that. the seemingly simple things that will keep linux off of desktops.
[02:41] <flaccid> its not on windows either aaron
[02:41] <elite101> im getting Fedora Core and im confused there is one that says Fedore-8-Test-1-KDE-live-i686 lol is that one going to use the KDE?
[02:41] <nosrednaekim> MacZtttlkwork: lol... its somewhere hidden deep within the settings
[02:41] <aaron_> flaccid: sure it is.
[02:41] <flaccid> and if you want it, develop it
[02:41] <flaccid> what is aaron, exactly?
[02:41] <MacZtttlkwork> what's the English for that thing? "forms"?
[02:41] <aaron_> compression options?
[02:41] <Arwen> aaron_, no it isn't. On Windows, each individual tool has its own GUI. But there's no one unifying tool.
[02:41] <nosrednaekim> MacZtttlkwork: for what?
[02:42] <aaron_> Arwen: i'd settle for one. :)
[02:42] <carbonfreeze> right click file ~> Compress ~> Compress As .zip or whatever
[02:42] <flaccid> natively, windows only really has zip support
[02:42] <carbonfreeze> in kde
[02:42] <flaccid> i've never seen something native in a desktop os which lets you choose compression level on right click. you are welcome to contribute to ark/kde to give this functionality or request it to the ark devs
[02:43] <MacZtttlkwork> Please, this computer is used by a lot of people and I don't want them to be playing with my e-mail account
[02:43] <carbonfreeze> so make different user accounts?
[02:43] <flaccid> MacZtttlkwork: ok cool
[02:43] <aaron_> not ON the right click. on the menu the right click brings up.
[02:43] <sparr> how can i connect to my wireless network using WPA2 in kubuntu?
[02:43] <flaccid> aaron_: yeah either way
[02:43] <flaccid> sparr: use knetworkmanager icon in tray
[02:44] <MacZtttlkwork> the user account starts with no password
[02:44] <MacZtttlkwork> is the same for all
[02:44] <MacZtttlkwork> my brother said it was easier to keep the settings
[02:44] <sparr> flaccid: its not there
[02:44] <carbonfreeze> ah, so automatic login is enabled
[02:44] <MacZtttlkwork> yup
[02:44] <carbonfreeze> you can disable that, and add users, in system settings
[02:44] <MacZtttlkwork> but I don't want to do that :S
[02:45] <MacZtttlkwork> my brother uses kopete
[02:45] <MacZtttlkwork> and my sister
[02:45] <MacZtttlkwork> and... etc.
[02:45] <aaron_> or this: open an archive of some sort. i want one file out of it. i want to just click and drag it out. pretty simple.
[02:45] <flaccid> sparr: goto like run command and run knetworkmanager
[02:45] <MacZtttlkwork> so there is no option to delete that, like in firefox?
[02:45] <carbonfreeze> aaron_: I'm pretty sure you can do this with ARK
[02:45] <flaccid> MacZtttlkwork: each user should have their own system and IM accounts.
[02:46] <MacZtttlkwork> Kopete supports multiple accounts with the same user.
[02:46] <flaccid> bad practice to share accounts of any kind really
[02:46] <flaccid> indeed it does
[02:46] <carbonfreeze> aaron_: double click archive; it opens in ark. right click file you want to extract and select extract.
[02:46] <flaccid> not to be rude, but why would you add someone elses msn account or whatever under your user - they should add it in their own account
[02:46] <MacZtttlkwork> anyway I use aMSN...lol
[02:46] <carbonfreeze> he doesn't want to have multiple user accounts or Xorg sessions flaccid
[02:47] <aaron_> carbonfreeze: cool. that's good enough :)
[02:47] <flaccid> why carbonfreeze, MacZtttlkwork?
[02:47] <MacZtttlkwork> If I create more accounts I get problems with "sudo" and such things...
[02:47] <flaccid> well i would advise fixing those problems rather than sharing accounts
[02:47] <MacZtttlkwork> The question here is, can Konqueror's autoforms be deleted?
[02:47] <flaccid> we can help you with those specific sudo problems whatever they are
[02:48] <flaccid> yes the private data in konqi can be deleted
[02:48] <aaron_> so, instead of writing my own programs, which isn't going ot happen. where can i offer suggestions and help with ark development?
[02:49] <aaron_> how does something like that work?
[02:49] <flaccid> aaron_: goto the about box for ark
[02:49] <MacZtttlkwork> Well, we could... but my e-mail account's password is still there
[02:49] <MacZtttlkwork> :-O
[02:49] <flaccid> aaron_: authors email addies directly in there
[02:50] <aaron_> yeah, there's a bunch of em
[02:50] <flaccid> you might also like to checkout http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ark_(computing)
[02:51] <aaron_> i really wish someone would just port 7zips gui ;)
[02:51] <aaron_> but i'll look at that
[02:51] <elite101> anyone have a fedora 7 download link? the ones on there site for 32bit versions open up KATE >.<
[02:51] <MacZtttlkwork> I have deleted konqueror with adept :-D
[02:51] <flaccid> if you don't use krusader yet, give it at try :)
[02:51] <MacZtttlkwork> But now I don't have a filemanager...
[02:51] <MacZtttlkwork> is Dolphin backported?
[02:51] <carbonfreeze> 7zip is pretty cool
[02:51] <flaccid> elite101: wget the file instead or change the association
[02:52] <flaccid> MacZtttlkwork: that won't purge/delete the private data
[02:52] <carbonfreeze> MacZtttlkwork: removing konqueror does not remove your settings for konqueror. Reinstall it
[02:52] <flaccid> !info krusader
[02:52] <ubotu> krusader: twin-panel (commander-style) file manager for KDE (and other desktops). In component universe, is optional. Version 1.80.0~beta1-1 (feisty), package size 2982 kB, installed size 8324 kB
[02:52] <MacZtttlkwork> ok thanks
[02:52] <elite101> flaccid, how do i change that?
[02:52] <elite101> im using firefox...
[02:52] <MacZtttlkwork> where can I contact with the developers...
[02:53] <MacZtttlkwork> to ask them about a privacy menu?
[02:53] <Arwen> anyone tried the KDE4 beta?
[02:53] <sparr> flaccid: i dont have knetworkmanager.
[02:53] <flaccid> sparr: install it via adept
[02:54] <carbonfreeze> MacZtttlkwork: what are you trying to remove?
[02:54] <aaron_> flaccid: if you actually knew sparrs personality, he'd rather configure it with magic and willpower than install knetworkmanager.
[02:54] <flaccid> elite101: manage file types in prefs of firefox and also check konquer file associations
[02:54] <MacZtttlkwork> the password
[02:54] <MacZtttlkwork> wich is in an autoform
[02:54] <MacZtttlkwork> or whatever is the name
[02:54] <carbonfreeze> MacZtttlkwork: wait 1
[02:54] <flaccid> aaron_: that defeats the purpose of kubuntu. maybe debian or gentoo is more what hes looking for...
[02:55] <flaccid> MacZtttlkwork: you might like to try #kde or #konqueror if it exists
[02:55] <MacZtttlkwork> oh, that's a good point
[02:55] <MacZtttlkwork> I'll see
[02:55] <carbonfreeze> MacZtttlkwork: open kwalletmanager
[02:55] <flaccid> you can run wpasupplicant and all that manual if you really want.. thats how it was in the past for ubuntu
[02:55] <aaron_> i <3 debian.
[02:56] <sparr> flaccid: from where?
[02:56] <aaron_> gentoo takes WAY too much time :)
[02:56] <MacZtttlkwork> In konqueror there are 3 people
[02:56] <flaccid> sparr: what from where?
[02:56] <carbonfreeze> MacZtttlkwork: goto maps, delete the passwords you dont want saved
[02:56] <sparr> flaccid: install knetworkmanager
[02:56] <MacZtttlkwork> maps
[02:56] <flaccid> aaron_: isn't that what he wants to do, waste time :)
[02:56] <aaron_> sparr: open konsole
[02:56] <aaron_> flaccid: yes.
[02:56] <flaccid> !info knetworkmanager
[02:56] <ubotu> knetworkmanager: User friendly KDE frontend for NetworkManager. In component main, is optional. Version 0.1-0ubuntu12 (feisty), package size 232 kB, installed size 1496 kB
[02:56] <flaccid> its in main
[02:56] <flaccid> so just install it
[02:56] <aaron_> sparr: sudo aptitude install knetworkmanager
[02:56] <flaccid> adept or apt-get
[02:57] <sparr> err
[02:57] <sparr> did we miss the part where im trying to get connected to the network?
[02:57] <aaron_> flaccid: see.
[02:57] <aaron_> it's probably not going to happen without a wired con. first.
[02:57] <carbonfreeze> sparr: lol. your using kubuntu and knetworkmanager isn't working?
[02:57] <sparr> carbonfreeze: its not installed, apparently
[02:58] <flaccid> errrr. if the driver for the wireless card is working then knetworkmanager *should* work
[02:58] <carbonfreeze> sparr: it should be by default, your running 7.04 (feisty fawn)?
[02:58] <flaccid> which version of kubuntu is this sparr
[02:58] <aaron_> sparr: rebuild.
[02:58] <sparr> edgy
[02:58] <sparr> 6.10
[02:58] <aaron_> sparr: rebuild twice just for luck.
[02:58] <carbonfreeze> ahh
[02:58] <carbonfreeze> you need a wired connection, then do a dist-upgrade to 7.04
[02:59] <carbonfreeze> sparr: using wpa2 with wireless card? which card?
[02:59] <sparr> carbonfreeze: intel 2200
[02:59] <flaccid> carbonfreeze: no thats incorrect
[02:59] <flaccid> you don't need to upgrade to feisty to get wireless!
[02:59] <sparr> im trying to work out the syntax for wpa_supplicant now
[02:59] <carbonfreeze> flaccid: 6.10 has networkmanager?
[02:59] <sparr> i am going to upgrade to feisty...
[02:59] <carbonfreeze> well no ****
[02:59] <elite101> well i will be switiching to F7 later on tomarrow im now what i call "distro-surfing"
[03:00] <sparr> as soon as i can get on a network
[03:00] <flaccid> you can install it
[03:00] <flaccid> or do wpa supplicant manual as per wiki iirc
[03:00] <sparr> ill probably be upgrading to gutsy, actually
[03:00] <elite101> but kubuntu is still my "home-distro/os"
[03:00] <carbonfreeze> well, i was going to get him setup so he could actually get online to do installs, if the ipw2100 firmware is installed by default in 6.10
[03:00] <carbonfreeze> is ipw2100 in 6.10?
[03:00] <sparr> ipw = Intel ipw2100/2200 driver
[03:00] <flaccid> only 2200 i believe
[03:00] <sparr> thats from wpa_supplicant help
[03:01] <flaccid> ipw didn't work with 2100 for a mate iirc
[03:01] <aaron_> good.
[03:01] <flaccid> but you can try
[03:01] <carbonfreeze> yeah, 2200 should work with 2100 adapters
[03:01] <flaccid> not always
[03:01] <flaccid> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/ipw2200
[03:02] <flaccid> !wireless
[03:02] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[03:02] <flaccid> i can remember that i had to do some manual stuff for 6.10 intel bg2200
[03:02] <flaccid> just can't find any info really
[03:03] <carbonfreeze> yeah wait1 ill see if i can find it. have to manually load firmware or modprobe IIRC
[03:03] <flaccid> this should help v
[03:03] <flaccid> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WPAHowTo/Kubuntu
[03:03] <flaccid> yep something weird and manual edit of wpasupplicant.conf or something iirc
[03:04] <MacZtttlkwork> hey people
[03:04] <MacZtttlkwork> here's the solution for my stupid problem:
[03:04] <aaron_> sparr: what's stopping you from plugging a cable into your laptop?
[03:04] <carbonfreeze> rm ~/.kde ? =)
[03:04] <MacZtttlkwork> go to execute, write kcontrol
[03:04] <sparr> ioctl[IPW_IOCTL_WPA_SUPPLICANT] : Operation not supported
[03:04] <MacZtttlkwork> and then go to privacy and, that's it!
[03:04] <sparr> aaron_: no cable, no switch, no physical access
[03:05] <flaccid> carbonfreeze: please don't ever msg that command
[03:05] <sparr> Trying to associate with [mac address]  (SSID='myessid' freq=0 MHz)  <--  why 0?
[03:05] <aaron_> sparr: so you're either sitting at panera bread with two laptops, or you're stealing your neighbors wifi.
[03:05] <aaron_> heh.
[03:05] <MacZtttlkwork> lol
[03:06] <carbonfreeze> MacZtttlkwork: you should still setup seprate user accounts
[03:06] <flaccid> sparr: whats the status of it in ifconfig ?
[03:06] <sparr> flaccid: invisible.  in iwconfig its there, but i dont know what to look for
[03:06] <MacZtttlkwork> carbonfreeze, tomorrow I will ask my brother to do so... and I'll tell you about the sudo problems
[03:06] <flaccid> can you pastebin the output of it in ifconfig please
[03:06] <sparr> iwconfig says eth1 unassociated mode:managed channel=0...
[03:06] <sparr> no, i cant
[03:06] <flaccid> sparr: see if scanning says iwlist eth1 scanning
[03:06] <sparr> because its not on a network
[03:06] <aaron_> sparr: take the laptop that is sucessfully stealing internet from your neighbor, turn on internet connection sharing. connect the two laptops with a cat5. enjoy shared internet access on your linux boxen.
[03:07] <carbonfreeze> lol
[03:07] <sparr> aaron_: dont have any cat5.  or an ethernet port.
[03:07] <flaccid> sparr: well we will assume the iface is set up right
[03:07] <sparr> and i really dont feel like setting up usbnet
[03:07] <flaccid> sparr: iwlist work ok?
[03:08] <aaron_> is the network card not functional?
[03:08] <flaccid> it sounds like it is. but need to confirm scanning with iwlist...
[03:08] <aaron_> i meant the one with the rj45 port attached to it
[03:09] <sparr> flaccid: yes, 'iwlist eth1 scanning' sees my two wifi networks
[03:09] <aaron_> "my"
[03:09] <sparr> aaron_: there is no ethernet card
[03:09] <flaccid> so like you can do sudo iwconfig eth1 essid my
[03:09] <_aaa> got Mp3 player that says it will only use win 2000 or Vista for downloads, is there any other way?
[03:09] <flaccid> as per man iwconfig which has examples
[03:09] <flaccid> you can also follow https://wiki.kubuntu.org/WifiDocs/KubuntuWPAHowTo
[03:10] <aaron_> flaccid: he can't read that. no network cards or wireless.
[03:10] <aaron_> he's chatting on his TTY telephone.
[03:10] <flaccid> _aaa: plug it in and see if it supports usb mass storage
[03:10] <carbonfreeze> MacZtttlwork: thats strage; just tried adding a user in 7.10 and its not allowing graphical sudo (gksudo or kdesu) to elevate privelages
[03:10] <flaccid> aaron_: then how is he on irc
[03:10] <sparr> flaccid: did iwconfig essid...  already
[03:10] <_aaa> it wont hurt my unit?
[03:10] <carbonfreeze> _aaa: try amarok?
[03:11] <aaron_> _aaa: no. it won't. what kind of player is it?
[03:11] <flaccid> sparr: you obviously have to the wpasupplicant component to associate with wpa2 passphrase etc. start reading...
[03:11] <flaccid> _aaa: nope
[03:11] <MacZtttlkwork> see you
[03:11] <sparr> flaccid: wpa_supplicant is throwing errors
[03:11] <aaron_> sparr: if it's actually YOUR network, turn off encryption for a little bit and update your crap.
[03:11] <sparr> not covered in either howtos
[03:11] <_aaa> GPX from Kohls
[03:11] <aaron_> plug it in and see what happens.
[03:11] <sparr> aaron_: that will disconnect my clients.  so, no.
[03:11] <flaccid> sparr: thats what happens when you go manual when you don't need to :)
[03:11] <sparr> flaccid: dont need to?
[03:12] <aaron_> you have clients? but no switch, cat5, or network cards.
[03:12] <flaccid> knetworkmanager should be able to handle the config and connection fine..
[03:12] <carbonfreeze> aaron_: fishy +1
[03:12] <_aaa> thank you
[03:12] <sparr> flaccid: i agree.  but i dont have knetworkmanager.
[03:12] <Berzerker> anyone here?
[03:12] <aaron_> Berzerker: just us beez.
[03:12] <Berzerker> kk
[03:12] <Berzerker> so
[03:12] <Berzerker> I'm using kubuntu on my Macbook pro
[03:12] <aaron_> no, were not talking today.
[03:13] <Berzerker> And my sound doesn't work.
[03:13] <flaccid> sparr: not much you can do... sorry but i dont have time to help in detail with a manual wpasupplicant.. i remember how much of a pain it was back then
[03:13] <Berzerker> However, all macbook pro install tutorials I've read say sound works out of the box.
[03:13] <Berzerker> but, not for me.
[03:13] <flaccid> you could d/l knetworkmanager's .deb and copy it to this box and then install it with dpkg
[03:13] <hitmanWilly> Berzerker, did you unmute the card?
[03:13] <elite101> On the radio earlyer today there was a kid that his Xbox360 was heating and so he sealed it in plastic bag and dipped it in cooled water, but he forgot that it was still plugged in and his mom came home to find him unconshis (cant spell it) just to keep the 360 cool
[03:13] <aaron_> sparr: go to one of your "clients" and borrow the long thing plastic noodle from it for a minute.
[03:13] <carbonfreeze> Berzerker: is anything muted in alsamixer?
[03:13] <Berzerker> how would I check that?
[03:13] <hitmanWilly> Berzerker, open up kmix
[03:14] <sparr> flaccid: the wiki link assumes i have knetworkmanager
[03:14] <sparr> aaron_: they are all wireless
[03:14] <aaron_> of course they are.
[03:14] <flaccid> sparr: indeed
[03:14] <Berzerker> all things on output are at 100
[03:14] <elite101> read that storry that was on the new's ^^^^^^^^
[03:14] <Berzerker> input is all 0
[03:14] <hitmanWilly> Berzerker, are all the green lights on?
[03:14] <Berzerker> switches is all mic
[03:14] <Berzerker> yes
[03:14] <aaron_> yes. FANS work best to cool things off.
[03:14] <hitmanWilly> Berzerker, hmmm, strange...
[03:14] <aaron_> or mineral oil
[03:15] <Berzerker> I can give my lspci info if you want
[03:15] <hitmanWilly> Berzerker, probably won't help in this case
[03:15] <Berzerker> mmk
[03:15] <hitmanWilly> Berzerker, ok, open up alsamixer in a konsole
[03:15] <Berzerker> yakuake ok?
[03:16] <Berzerker> any terminal?
[03:16] <carbonfreeze> Berzerker: try opening a konsole, enter "dmesg|grep ALSA" and see if there are any error messages
[03:16] <hitmanWilly> Berzerker, anything with a cli is fine :)
[03:16] <aaron_> bi bi
[03:16] <Berzerker> k
[03:16] <Berzerker> alsamixer is open
[03:16] <Tomi-idle> yakuake is great, use it ;)
[03:16] <Berzerker> I know :P
[03:16] <carbonfreeze> yakuake...?
[03:16] <Tomi-idle> they should integrate it to kde
[03:16] <hitmanWilly> carbonfreeze, its a different terminal app
[03:16] <Berzerker> quake style terminal
[03:16] <Berzerker> apt-get install yakuake
[03:16] <Berzerker> it's good
[03:17] <Tomi-idle> carbonfreeze: a terminal program that slides from top of your screen.
[03:17] <carbonfreeze> oh, one of those
[03:17] <sparr> how can i get an on screen keyboard for logging in via kdm?
[03:17] <Tomi-idle> sparr: not sure you can but definately an interesting idea
[03:18] <carbonfreeze> xkbd ?
[03:18] <Tomi-idle> xvkbd -geometry -300-100 -no-keypad&
[03:18] <sparr> Tomi-idle: that would make kubuntu particularly not-useful on a tablet
[03:18] <sparr> i know how to get an OSK in general...  how do i get one at the kdm login?
[03:19] <Tomi-idle> sparr: im sure theres a solution, just thought of it interesting personally (as in cool) ;)
[03:19] <Berzerker> ok
[03:19] <Berzerker> so
[03:19] <Berzerker> alsamixer is open
[03:19] <hitmanWilly> sparr, maybe add it to the kdm startup script?
[03:19] <sparr> aaron__: i beat wpa_supplicant into submission.  so :-p
[03:19] <flaccid> autostart occurs on login iirc
[03:19] <RobNyc> !kde
[03:19] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu:  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop , or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE) . Latest KDE version is 3.5.7 for Feisty, 3.5.6 for Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org) for more information.
[03:19] <sparr> now, everyone with me luck on dist-upgrade from edgy to gutsy
[03:19] <flaccid> sparr: you fixed the wirless?
[03:19] <carbonfreeze> Berzerker: check to make sure mixer channels left & right, PCM, Master, Master Mono, Headphone are not muted
[03:20] <Berzerker> everything is 100
[03:20] <Berzerker> except captures
[03:20] <hitmanWilly> flaccid, i was saying add it to an rc script
[03:20] <sparr> flaccid: yes.  i messed up a parameter in wpa_supplicant.conf
[03:20] <Berzerker> headphones was at 95...just changed it to 100 :P
[03:20] <carbonfreeze> sparr: you should dist-upgrade to feisty first IIRC
[03:20] <hayami> xd
[03:20] <flaccid> sparr: cool. any reason why you want beta OS ?
[03:20] <flaccid> hitmanWilly: rc script?
[03:21] <carbonfreeze> Berzerker: exit alsamixer and try "dmesg|grep ALSA" and see if there are any errors
[03:21] <hitmanWilly> flaccid anything after X starts should work
[03:21] <hitmanWilly> i would think anyway
[03:21] <Tomi-idle> sparr: this might be a solution http://forums.xandros.com/viewtopic.php?t=17406
[03:21] <Berzerker> none
[03:21] <Berzerker> no errors
[03:21] <flaccid> hitmanWilly: yeah it needs to go in that file that calls startkde - can't remember what that is
[03:21] <hitmanWilly> Berzerker, any thing with an M at the bottom?
[03:22] <sparr> flaccid: i WANT debian unstable, with kubuntu's integration.  but i cant have that.  so im stuck with ubuntu+1
[03:22] <Berzerker> an M?
[03:22] <Berzerker> at the bottom of what
[03:22] <megatog615> In alsamixer
[03:22] <hitmanWilly> flaccid, something in /etc/X11/ probably
[03:22] <Berzerker> MM
[03:22] <Berzerker> I see
[03:22] <megatog615> Hit M to unmute the channel
[03:22] <NeweWave> Hi, Everybody! I have a problem with my wi-fi device and I'm not to get a solution. Anybody can help me? My device is Atheros 5007 on kubuntu 7.04!
[03:22] <flaccid> sparr: any particular reason why? something specific you need?
[03:22] <NeweWave> sorry my english
[03:22] <Berzerker> IEC958
[03:22] <megatog615> Apparently the volume on Macbook Pros are muted by default
[03:23] <sparr> flaccid: many things.  im a gamer, and i "cant" wait 6 months for new libraries and/or new games.
[03:23] <carbonfreeze> sparr: skipping distros in the dist-upgrade path breaks things IIRC
[03:23] <Berzerker> uhm
[03:23] <Berzerker> I unmuted it
[03:23] <Berzerker> but I can't change the volum
[03:23] <Berzerker> e
[03:23] <Berzerker> it stays at 00
[03:24] <flaccid> sparr: true but you can upgrade those manually in say feisty. no need to go beta OS userland.
[03:24] <sparr> carbonfreeze: it does.  completely doesnt work.  apt-get thinks i have auto-remove packages that are also essential  :)
[03:24] <megatog615> 00 means it's on
[03:24] <Berzerker> oh
[03:24] <Berzerker> ok
[03:24] <Berzerker> well
[03:24] <flaccid> i've pulled off a dapper to gutsy upgrade before
[03:24] <Berzerker> still no sound
[03:24] <megatog615> turn PCM on
[03:24] <carbonfreeze> sparr: so why you want to dist-upgrade from 6x to 7.10? heh
[03:24] <hayami> anyone can help me? cuz in compiz-fusion no one tells me nothing, can i have beryl and compiz-fusion at the same time? =o
[03:24] <megatog615> PCM and Master should both be on to enable sound file playback
[03:24] <Berzerker> Master
[03:24] <Berzerker> I don't see that
[03:25] <crxyem> lo all
[03:25] <hitmanWilly> hayami, probably, but not running at the same time
[03:25] <megatog615> What's the first one there?
[03:25] <sparr> flaccid: where do i upgrade them from?  when they rely on new libraries, i have to get those from gutsy
[03:25] <Berzerker> Headphone
[03:25] <megatog615> I have Master, Master Mono, PCM, etc
[03:26] <NeweWave> Hi, Everybody! I have a problem with my wi-fi device and I'm not to get a solution. Can anybody help me? My device is Atheros 5007 on kubuntu 7.04!
[03:26] <Berzerker> =hmm
[03:26] <Berzerker> weird
[03:26] <Berzerker> now I have a red light coming out of my headphone port
[03:26] <megatog615> Means it's on :)
[03:26] <Berzerker> uhm
[03:26] <megatog615> New laptops have lights to show where the port is in low light conditions
[03:26] <flaccid> sparr: yep exactly :)
[03:26] <megatog615> brb
[03:27] <flaccid> sparr: im on gutys and yeah buggy still
[03:27] <Berzerker> still no sound
[03:27] <Berzerker> lol
[03:27] <Berzerker> I have it plugged in
[03:27] <flaccid> NeweWave: don't repeat
[03:27] <flaccid> !wireless > NeweWave
[03:27] <flaccid> see if that can help you
[03:28] <hayami> o thanks hitmanwilly
[03:28] <carbonfreeze> gutsy: I haven't had too many issues, atleast my home partition doesn't have a bunch of output from /dev/urandom...
[03:28] <NeweWave> ok, flaccid: I'm sorry!
[03:28] <NeweWave> :)
[03:28] <NeweWave> !wireless
[03:28] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[03:28] <flaccid> np NeweWave. someone will always help if they can
[03:28] <flaccid> google is also good
[03:30] <NeweWave> I already search in google, but I'm not had success
[03:30] <NeweWave> :(
[03:31] <carbonfreeze> yakuake is nice
[03:32] <flaccid> yakuake rules, except 1 bug im waiting to be fixed
[03:32] <crxyem> so, if I update/upgrade from 6.10 Edgy Eft, to 7.04, I'm using Connection-Manger for the wireless manager, verses wlassistant or kwifimanager. any opinions as to if an upgrade will be a problem
[03:32] <carbonfreeze> flaccid: what kind of issues?
[03:32] <Berzerker> I still don't have any sound
[03:32] <flaccid> carbonfreeze: losss of line breaks when pasting in
[03:32] <Berzerker> my headphone port is on, but I'm getting no sound
[03:32] <carbonfreeze> flaccid: ack
[03:32] <flaccid> crxyem: in theory no, in practice possibly
[03:33] <raven24> hi! i have a very annoying problem: no sound with an ICH8 chipset (lspci says: 82801H (ICH8 Family)). everything unmuted, snd-hda-intel module loaded and all players (like amarok) act like there is everything ok but i can't hear anything
[03:33] <flaccid> NeweWave: that card doesn't loook supported
[03:33] <nosrednaekim> raven24: all volume sliders at MAX?
[03:34] <raven24> yes... in kmix and alsamixer and every other mixer i can find
[03:34] <Berzerker> I have the same
[03:34] <Berzerker> chipset
[03:34] <Berzerker> as raven24
[03:34] <carbonfreeze> raven24: are you using 2.1 speakers or a headphone plugged into the middle channel? or are you using 5.1 setup?
[03:34] <Berzerker> same problem
[03:34] <flaccid> NeweWave: more info : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/129463
[03:35] <raven24> it's a notebook ... so i have only the built-in and a earphone plug
[03:35] <crxyem> well, I guess all I can do is give it a go,
[03:36] <NeweWave> thanks, flaccid!
[03:36] <Berzerker> raven, is this a mac?
[03:36] <NeweWave> :)
[03:36] <nosrednaekim> Berzerker: raven24: IDK... each individual chipset seems different. ask in #alsa. or look up your laptop model on www.linux-laptop.net
[03:36] <raven24> no. intel
[03:36] <Berzerker> no no
[03:36] <Berzerker> what kind of laptop is it
[03:37] <flaccid> NeweWave: np. it doesn't look good. see if the inf files work from the http://www.atheros.cz/ with ndiswrapper. but yeah it doesn't look good. atheros don't have *nix support generally. suggest buying a better card..
[03:38] <nosrednaekim> atheros have the best linux support after Intels!
[03:38] <flaccid> nosrednaekim: are you kidding me?
[03:38] <raven24> dimotion strongbook - from a local computer vendor. uses an intel mainboard and the rest can be configured individually
[03:38] <nosrednaekim> flaccid: nope :)
[03:39] <flaccid> nosrednaekim: well not from what im' reading. there is linux support, but not from them and there are lots of issues
[03:39] <flaccid> NeweWave: you need http://sourceforge.net/projects/madwifi/
[03:39] <nosrednaekim> yeah... mostly with HAL... but that shoul be fixed soon with OpenHAL
[03:40] <flaccid> yeah so its still not good enough basically
[03:41] <crxyem> one other q? about upgrading, I assume that any and all software packages I have installed will be retained
[03:41] <nosrednaekim> nope, not as goo as Intel.
[03:41] <crxyem> similar to a win2k to winxp upgrade etc...
[03:42] <crxyem> sorry for the ignorance but after using kubuntu for about 2yrs now, I've really only done fresh installs
[03:42] <nosrednaekim> crxyem: if they are from the official repositories, yes they will be kept
[03:42] <carbonfreeze> crxyem: as far as i know, the packages will be upgraded if a newer version is available, and all dependencies are available
[03:43] <raven24> Berzerker: nosrednaekim: i read at the kernel changelog of 2.6.22 that HD Audio should be supported, so i compiled it... but that was unsuccessful
[03:44] <crxyem> hmm, so there could be some problems with software that has been installed using checkinstall
[03:44] <flaccid> nope
[03:44] <nosrednaekim> raven24: yeah... my ATI HDA card worked far better in Gutsy (which uses the 2.6.22 kernel)
[03:44] <flaccid> if a .deb is installed in the pkgdb it doesn't matter what installed it. keep in mind that some packages are replaced/obsoleted in future releases
[03:45] <crxyem> thanks for the info flaccid
[03:45] <flaccid> np
[03:45] <raven24> ...for me there was no difference. it seems that my hardware is simply "too new"
[03:47] <nosrednaekim> raven24: thats the way with these new Intels...
[03:48] <nosrednaekim> raven24: you tried gutsy?
[03:49] <crxyem> so for example I have the  Bleeding edge wine packages in my sources.list and some other non official repositories in my sources.list they should be retained as well, and used during the update I presume
[03:49] <vip3rousmango> I'm having problems access winecfg and wine uninstaller.. they both give me error readings when I try to run them
[03:49] <flaccid> they won't get removed unless replaced by a dif package
[03:50] <nosrednaekim> get rid of any automatix lines..
[03:50] <crxyem> not using any automatix lines
[03:51] <crxyem> sweet, well, I'll try the upgrade then, just being a little cautious as I've never done this before, and don't want to do a fresh install again
[03:51] <flaccid> upgrades usually always have problems
[03:51] <raven24> nosrednaekim: yes. i replaced all "feisty"s with "gutsy"s at my sources.list and did apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade...
[03:52] <flaccid> but if you know a lot about pkg management, you can usually do it
[03:52] <crxyem> usually do it, by fixing dependencies
[03:52] <flaccid> iirc you don't need to upgrade then dist-upgrade, just dist-upgrade
[03:52] <nosrednaekim> raven24: so you are basically running gutsy... ah.
[03:52] <flaccid> crxyem: many other possible situations/problems too
[03:52] <raven24> yes...
[03:52] <nosrednaekim> raven24: are you using the 2.6.22 kernel?
[03:52] <Tomi-idle> crxyem: you might want to use dist-upgrade few times to ensure that you got all upgraded packages
[03:53] <Tomi-idle> crxyem: last time it left some packages behind for me. so i used dist-upgrade until all was updated
[03:53] <raven24> uname -r : 2.6.22-9-generic
[03:53] <crxyem> so I should use the dist-upgrade vs the wizard that's avaliable from adept
[03:53] <nosrednaekim> raven24: go to #alsa... they can help you with sound there.
[03:53] <flaccid> what wizard?
[03:53] <Tomi-idle> crxyem: i've not had trouble with terminal, the adept updater always gives me problems
[03:53] <flaccid> oh
[03:53] <flaccid> you can do either crxyem
[03:53] <raven24> ok... thanks for the help
[03:54] <crxyem> I assume it would be safer if I used a wired network conenction
[03:54] <flaccid> reboot time
[03:54] <flaccid> bbs
[03:54] <Tomi-idle> crxyem: shouldn't matter unless you have problems with your connection :)
[03:55] <Tomi-idle> crxyem: just use dist-upgrade until it says there are no more packages upgradeable and you should be ok
[03:55] <nosrednaekim> crxyem: an faster..
[03:56] <crxyem> ok, I think I'll go read the wiki on it again
[03:58] <sayers> whats a good partiton type for backups?
[03:59] <nosrednaekim> sayers: anything but swap and vfat.
[03:59] <ubuntu_> no no no
[03:59] <nosrednaekim> what?
[03:59] <sayers> nosrednaekim: ill stick with ext3 ;]
[04:00] <cje> hi, does anyone here have any experience using shockwave on Kubuntu?  I am supporting a local public middle school with FOSS, but a teacher wants to have students go to this site, which requires Adobe Shockwave:  http://www.explorelearning.com
[04:00] <genefitz> Sayers, for my back-up partition, I use ext3. Personal prefrence, the same with my extra media drive.
[04:00] <Bearcat> i considered rieser4 a short time ago, but i just don't trust it.
[04:00] <sayers> cje: hard to do
[04:00] <sayers> cje: not sure it's possible without wine.
[04:00] <nosrednaekim> Bearcat: it can kill ya you know ;)
[04:01] <genefitz> Bearcat: me either. I chose ext3 because I know that no matter what, any distro will be able to read it
[04:01] <Bearcat> nosrednaekim: *laughs* yeah. I prefer reiserfs. It just seemed more stable then ext3, but that was a long time ago, so perhaps things have changed.
[04:02] <Bearcat> it always seemed that ext3 was ext2 + journaling (a patchup) but perhaps that's not so true anylonger
[04:02] <cje> sayers: here is a how-to .  http://www.howtoforge.com/ubuntu_flash_player9
[04:02] <nosrednaekim> yeah... instead of crippling you... and making you go into a data-less coma... it kills you nice and mercifully.
[04:02] <nosrednaekim> :)
[04:03] <cje> sayers: maybe that just needs to be improved.
[04:03] <sayers> cje: that is flash, shockwave != flash last i checked
[04:03] <Bearcat> nosrednaekim: O.o  I've used rieser for 7 years now and never had a problem *knock on plastic*
[04:03] <sayers> hm that works maybe cje?
[04:03] <sayers> worth a try
[04:04] <nosrednaekim> Bearcat: lol.
[04:06] <cje> sayers: sorry, what is worth a try?  You mean that link that I posted?  Sorry to be dense.  It's the end of a long day for me.
[04:06] <Bearcat> it's not right i tell you. My wife says i'm too much of a softie when it comes to my rottie. I only gave her a quarter of my cheesecake though.
[04:06] <sayers> yes cje
[04:06] <sayers> hah
[04:09] <flaccid> i feel hungover dammit.
[04:12] <elite101> anyone wanna help a child smile and send some HW over to me via FEDEX?
[04:13] <elite101> :) please :)
[04:14] <elite101> my adress is..
[04:15] <mignish> Has anyone heard of Ubuntu Server not finding the install image?
[04:16] <hitmanWilly> mignish, sounds like a screwed up cd
[04:16] <mignish> I've used about six CDs
[04:16] <mignish> and each time i've downloaded a new image
[04:17] <mignish> I've tested the integrety of the CD and it's good.. each time.
[04:17] <hitmanWilly> mignish, hmm, that's weird
[04:17] <hitmanWilly> probably not it then :)
[04:18] <hitmanWilly> any hw compatibility issues with your cd drive?
[04:18] <mignish> Never had a problem before.
[04:18] <mignish> I've installed the srever once with one of the CDs i used.
[04:18] <mignish> But i had the same error message.
[04:19] <mignish> i messed with it and finally got it. But i had to re-install... I'm new to the server world.
[04:19] <hitmanWilly> mignish, hmm, well you could try the alt cd, im pretty sure you can install a basic server setup with that
[04:19] <mignish> That's what I'm using.
[04:19] <mignish> I can't download debian... the download for netinstall won't work...
[04:20] <mignish> i guess i'll keep messing with ubuntu.
[04:20] <hitmanWilly> you could always try the full thing :)
[04:20] <mignish> Thanks for the input. I wasn't sure if this was common and I could find some info on it.
[04:20] <mignish> lol all of the deb cds
[04:20] <mignish> i'd loose them!
[04:20] <mignish> hehe
[04:21] <mignish> well, thanks again. Have a good night.
[04:22] <theverant> how can I define actions for effects in Compiz-Fusion?  There is a whole tabe for that in Gnome, but I'm not seeing anywhere to do it in KDE...
[04:22] <mika_> stop
[04:22] <mika_> exit
[04:22] <mika_> q
[04:23] <nosrednaekim> theverant: run "ccsm"
[04:23] <hitmanWilly> mika_, try /quit :)
[04:24] <theverant> nosrednaekim - that's what I'm talking about, I can't find anything in ccsm to define what sets off the actions
[04:24] <Bearcat> hitmanWilly: wow. This place is like Hotel California.
[04:25] <hitmanWilly> lol
[04:25] <nosrednaekim> which actions?
[04:25] <hitmanWilly> check out anytime you want...
[04:25] <juliano> hello
[04:25] <Bearcat> hitmanWilly: but you can neve leave
[04:25] <theverant> define what corner, mouse button, etc for a given effect, like show desktop
[04:25] <hitmanWilly> XD
[04:26] <Bearcat> is it sad that i've been eagerly awating my ir blaster for a 3 days now. "its here! It's here!  Wait....i don't have a serial port." *cries*
[04:27] <nosrednaekim> theverant: hmmm yeah.. that seems to be missing. that used to be in berylmanager too
[04:27] <hitmanWilly> Bearcat, i think they make serial usb adapters
[04:27] <Bearcat> hitmanWilly: i
[04:27] <Bearcat>  hitmanWilly i'd bet your right. Time to hit Ebay
[04:27] <theverant> nosrednaekim - I find it slightly problematic... especially since I just enabled show desktop and I don't know how... so now my windows are all gone. :|
[04:27] <hitmanWilly> Bearcat, i know at least they used to
[04:28] <nosrednaekim> Bearcat: most MB have serial pin DIP headers.
[04:28] <nosrednaekim> f3 or f
[04:28] <nosrednaekim> *f6
[04:28] <nosrednaekim> maybe..
[04:28] <Bearcat> nosrednaekim: i have an Asus 8an-sli deluxe. After what I payed for that thing 3 years ago, i'm thinking it does  and i just lost the braket
[04:29] <theverant> meh.  I just want to set what the action is myself.
[04:29] <nosrednaekim> Bearcat: yeah... motherboards should have them
[04:29] <hitmanWilly> Bearcat, i have the same mobo, and yes it has one :)
[04:29] <nosrednaekim> Bearcat: ah.. we have the same MB... yeah its got a serial port
[04:30] <nosrednaekim> Bearcat: we use it for the mythTV control
[04:34] <HomeRoey> Hi
[04:35] <HomeRoey> why does my middle-mouse button not seem to work anymore?  It's been working for the past two weeks.  Now (as of the past two hours) it's just...stopped responding.  I'm talking about clicking the middle mouse button only--the scrollwheel works fine
[04:36] <Bearcat> alright folks, i could use a little bit of help here. I've set up kubuntu for a friend as my distro (source based and manual) would be to difficult. The last thing i am trying to do is get their scanner working. IT works on my kubuntu laptop and it workes on the kubuntu live disc. i'm not sure where to turn. I want to get it working wiht kooka
[04:36] <hitmanWilly> Bearcat, what type of scanner?
[04:36] <flaccid> !scanner
[04:36] <ubotu> Scanning software: XSane, the gimp, Kooka. For instructions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ScanningHowTo and to see supported hardware: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsScanners
[04:37] <hitmanWilly> Bearcat, hp?
[04:37] <Bearcat> hitmanWilly: its a HP all-in-on C3180
[04:37] <hitmanWilly> Bearcat, ok, you need hplip and xsane
[04:37] <Bearcat> hitmanWilly: i have uninstalled-reinstalled cups, kooka, hplip and xsane
[04:37] <hitmanWilly> Bearcat, IIRC
[04:38] <Bearcat> i started this pc on 6.07 and now it's on 7.04
[04:38] <hitmanWilly> Bearcat, did you run xsane and see if that worked?
[04:38] <Bearcat> i think there was a misconfig in 6.07
[04:38] <hitmanWilly> Bearcat, that could be the issue then, maybe a clean install?
[04:38] <Bearcat> i think so, let me try that again. Also to add to my pressure there is no working internet connection on that box either at this moment
[04:39] <Bearcat> hitmanWilly: i'm about tempted to do that.
[04:39] <flaccid> did you purge the packages and/or remove andy ~/* configs for it
[04:39] <Bearcat> hitmanWilly: but i hate to do that just for a scanner
[04:39] <hitmanWilly> Bearcat, ugh...what's the problem with internet?
[04:39] <Bearcat> flaccid: is there a remove all config files for this package option? (i'm old to linux but new to debian things
[04:39] <flaccid> yeah --purge
[04:40] <hitmanWilly> Bearcat, --purge should do it
[04:40] <flaccid> like sudo apt-get --purge pkg.deb
[04:40] <flaccid> i think thats it
[04:40] <Bearcat> hitmanWilly: it's all set up for dialup (yuk) and i don't want to mess up thier set-up
[04:40] <hitmanWilly> Bearcat, oh, sorry, don't know anything about that :P
[04:40] <Bearcat> --purge
[04:42] <Bearcat> doesn't kubuntu have a gui interface to route? I hate the route command line set-up
[04:43] <hitmanWilly> !route
[04:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about route - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:43] <Bearcat> xscan image tells me it finds no scanner
[04:43] <hitmanWilly> !find | route
[04:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about find - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:43] <hitmanWilly> !find route
[04:43] <ubotu> Found: iproute, iproute-dev, iproute-doc, traceroute, fragroute (and 10 others)
[04:45] <hitmanWilly> !info fragroute
[04:45] <ubotu> fragroute: Test a NIDS by attempting to evade using fragmented packets. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2-7.1 (feisty), package size 31 kB, installed size 132 kB
[04:45] <Bearcat> you know, route is volitile, so there must be a init.d script for it.
[04:45] <yurimxpxman> any ideas how to download the videos on this page? http://www.purevolume.com/videos/mxpx/sessions I'm stumped :/
[04:49] <_aaa> am I being heard?
[04:50] <Bearcat> _aaa: yes
[04:50] <_aaa> ty
[04:50] <Tm_T> or more precice, read
[04:51] <_aaa> got Mp3 player, don't know a thing about getting music to it
[04:51] <flaccid> _aaa: read the manual of the mp3 player
[04:51] <_aaa> did, it said use win 2000 or XTetc.
[04:52] <Tm_T> _aaa: you mean portable music device or music program?
[04:52] <flaccid> _aaa: yes and i told you to plug it in to usb and see if it supports usb mass storage, did you do that?
[04:52] <neptunepink> any idea on how to send a message to a (probably) windows pc on a wireless network using kubuntu?
[04:52] <dthacker> neptunepink: what kind of message?
[04:52] <flaccid> neptunepink: never found a program for that
[04:52] <_aaa> Mp3 player by GPX 1GB
[04:53] <Tm_T> neptunepink: hmm, Kopete
[04:53] <neptunepink> a 'hello there, wifi-thief' kind
[04:53] <flaccid> _aaa: so did you plug it in and test it or what?
[04:53] <theverant> _aaa - try it with Amarok
[04:53] <_aaa> no, I don't know what I 'm doing...
[04:53] <Bearcat> ok. network up now. Sweet
[04:53] <flaccid> _aaa: plug it in...
[04:53] <dthacker> neptunepink: don't advertise the connection, or call it "blank off, you!"
[04:54] <flaccid> so get the cable and plug it into your usb port then check storage devices in konqueror...
[04:54] <Tm_T> neptunepink: yup, Kopete
[04:54] <neptunepink> yeah, but no samba...
[04:54] <Tm_T> neptunepink: "winpopup" protocol
[04:54] <neptunepink> I saw it.
[04:54] <flaccid> this also might help _aaa http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=397939 --- googleing your mp3 player + ubuntu = results
[04:54] <dthacker> neptunepink: and changing the channel and keys on the router wouldn't hurt, either.
[04:54] <Tm_T> neptunepink: all I know, so...
[04:55] <_aaa> ok, got amarok ,but nothing there
[04:55] <theverant> neptunepink -  what you want is windows messenger (not MSN), but I don't know how you would access it from linux
[04:55] <Tm_T> neptunepink: how about not allowing to use it?
[04:55] <Tm_T> theverant: Kopete does it, with samba
[04:55] <emily_> does anyone know how to set up ipod support
[04:55] <flaccid> Tm_T: kopete can send windows messages?
[04:55] <Tm_T> yes
[04:55] <theverant> Nice
[04:55] <theverant> I'll have to test that at work tomorrow
[04:55] <Tm_T> "netsend" is win cmd equiv
[04:56] <_aaa> lrt me go there,ty
[04:56] <flaccid> cool
[04:56] <flaccid> now just need cli
[04:56] <dthacker> emily_: do you have a music player installed on your Kubuntu computer?
[04:56] <emily_> amarok
[04:56] <truckbytes> Does anyone know of a dbf viewer/editor for linux?
[04:56] <theverant> Amarok should handle iPod no prob
[04:56] <emily_> I'm not getting automount
[04:57] <theverant> Amarok never automounts my Zen
[04:57] <dthacker> emily_: http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_amarok_ipod
[04:58] <arun> I am using Windows under VMWare. I want to install Fedora Core as well (under VMWare). How do I do that? How do I partition the free space, so that I can later install a third guest operating system as well if I wish to?
[04:58] <emily_> that page starts with "the ipod should get mounted automatically"
[04:58] <yurimxpxman> any ideas how to download the videos on this page? http://www.purevolume.com/videos/mxpx/sessions I'm stumped :/
[04:59] <flaccid> yurimxpxman: don't repeat. this is not the channel for that question, try #web
[04:59] <flaccid> !vmware
[04:59] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. For VMWare Server, instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers
[04:59] <flaccid> you can also try #vmware
[05:00] <dthacker> emily_: when you plug in your ipod, do you see it appear on the desktop, or get prompted for how to handle it?
[05:00] <emily_> nope
[05:00] <emily_> that's the problem
[05:01] <dthacker> emily_: what version of Kubuntu?
[05:01] <emily_> I tried setting my own mount point but that didn't work either
[05:01] <emily_> 7.04
[05:02] <dthacker> do you see it in fstab?
[05:02] <Tm_T> GAAH!
[05:02] <Tm_T> sorry
[05:02] <emily_> nope
[05:02] <BluesKaj> emily_, does it appear in system menu/storage media ?
[05:02] <theverant> emily_ - does lsusb show the device?
[05:03] <emily_> how do I check lsusb
[05:03] <emily_> no it doesn't show up in /media/
[05:03] <theverant> type lsusb in a terminal
[05:03] <emily_> yeah the ipod shoes up
[05:03] <theverant> well, that's a start
[05:04] <truckbytes> Any suggestions for a dbf viewer?
[05:04] <emily_> where do we go from here
[05:07] <emily_> hmm
[05:07] <theverant> maybe try manually mounting it?
[05:08] <theverant> I'm not sure, I've never used iPod+Linux
[05:08] <dthacker> emily_: are your desktop preferences set to show mounted external storage?
[05:08] <emily_> I tried a manual mount
[05:08] <emily_> I would hope so
[05:08] <emily_> it's set to the default
[05:08] <theverant> what was the result of the manual mount?
[05:09] <emily_> I got nothing
[05:09] <theverant> do you know what dev the iPod is seen as?
[05:09] <emily_> gtkpod said it wasn't there
[05:09] <emily_> no but I'll look
[05:10] <theverant> what sort of iPod is it?
[05:10] <emily_> 30G generation 5
[05:11] <emily_> I think it's mounted at sdb
[05:11] <emily_> not mounted but at dev
[05:11] <theverant> and you tried setting it up in Amarok?  Like this: http://www.simplehelp.net/2007/07/04/how-to-use-amarok-to-manage-your-ipod-in-ubuntu/
[05:12] <emily_> yeah, but there's a step in there where you have to set the device as an ipod
[05:12] <emily_> and I've got no device sitting in that slot
[05:15] <emily_> fstab just has my main harddrive and the swap
[05:17] <emily_> oh well thanks for the help I'll just come back to it another time
[05:31] <dthacker> test
[05:31] <Bearcat> hmm. I notice that linux is at 2.6.17, but 2.6.22 is available. It is not set to upgrade. Are kernels not upgraded by default?
[05:32] <jhutchins> Bearcat: Some upgrades are recommended, others are optional.
[05:32] <Tomi-idle> dist-upgrade will upgrade to all newest packages
[05:32] <jhutchins> Bearcat: Given the current instabilities in various hardware drivers, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
[05:36] <bryce_> Hey... does anyone know of any programs that record msn conversations?  specifically for gaim?
[05:37] <flaccid> !nsupdate
[05:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nsupdate - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:37] <NickPresta> bryce_, aside from text-logging?
[05:38] <bryce_> I need some sort of program that I can secretly record conversations between my daughter and some of her online friends.  She's been talking with an older guy online and I think he's trying to get her to do things.  I want to catch it in the act so I can contact the police about it.
[05:38] <Tm_T> !botsnack
[05:38] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[05:38] <Tm_T> ubotu <3
[05:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 3 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:38] <Tm_T> hah
[05:38] <bryce_> NickPresta: text-logging?  Would that work?
[05:39] <NickPresta> bryce_, assuming she doesn't disable the logging, it should be fine.
[05:40] <flaccid> bryce_: logging is suffice
[05:40] <bryce_> She's not really smart on the computers, she just knows her msn, well, gaim now that we switched to linux the other day.  I didn't want to install a chat messenger but she managed to find out how.  Now I have to somehow catch this in the act.  I've already contacted the police and gave them the information.  I know for a fact he's over 30 yrs old and my daughter is 13.  If I could find this guy, I'd rip his balls off... but I'd rather see
[05:40] <bryce_> him in jail.
[05:41] <flaccid> logs..
[05:41] <bryce_> So how do I set up this text logging?
[05:41] <flaccid> its usually in the configuration of the program
[05:41] <bryce_> Do I have to have her password to get into gaim?  I've already tried her passwords I know of, I cannot figure out anything.
[05:41] <NickPresta> In Pidgin, and in Gaim, Tools > Preferences > Logging
[05:41] <flaccid> not if you have root/sudo access
[05:42] <dthacker> bryce_: sudo to root
[05:42] <NickPresta> it will save to .gaim/logs/*
[05:42] <bryce_> Could you maybe walk me through it?  I don't know how to really use linux yet?
[05:42] <flaccid> !root
[05:42] <ubotu> do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[05:42] <dthacker> bryce_: when you installed the box, who was the first user created?
[05:43] <NickPresta> bryce_, in a Konsole, type: "kdesu konqueror". That will open up Konqueror with root permissions. Navigate to "/home/HERUSERNAME/" and then click on VIew > Show Hidden Files. Navigate to the ".gaim" directory and then into her "logs" folder. Copy/paste/open as you see fit.
[05:43] <bryce_> I uploaded everything
[05:43] <bryce_> I installed linux, but I was talking about her password for gaim.
[05:44] <NickPresta> bryce_, assuming she has logging enabled, you can literally "steal" the logs from her home folder, without her knowing
[05:44] <bryce_> OK... let me try that out NickPresta
[05:44] <NickPresta> bryce_, she is running on her own account, correct?
[05:44] <bryce_> Can I set logging enabled for her or no?
[05:44] <bryce_> Nope, she runs off my account
[05:45] <NickPresta> bryce_, open up Gaim > Tools > Preferences > Logging. Enable it.
[05:45] <bryce_> OK... so from this point after enabling it, I can view the conversations?  Unless she disables it correct?
[05:45] <NickPresta> bryce_, yes. And unless you alert her to the fact that you're monitoring her, she will have little reason to disable logging, assuming she even notices it is enabled.
[05:45] <flaccid> yep
[05:46] <bryce_> She doesn't know I'm monitoring her... her friend is the one that brought it to my attention because she was worried.
[05:46] <NickPresta> bryce_, then you should be good to go.
[05:47] <Dr_willis> !xdmcp
[05:47] <ubotu> xdmcp is the X Display Manger Control Protocol -- look at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/XDMCP-HOWTO/ to find out how to configure it
[05:47] <bryce_> OK... I selected it to log everything.
[05:47] <bryce_> So when I want to view the logs, where do I go?
[05:47] <Dr_willis>  /var/log normally
[05:47] <NickPresta> /home/username/.gaim/logs
[05:48] <Dr_willis> oh gaim. :) heh..
[05:48] <NickPresta> heh
[05:48] <Dr_willis> Phht on gaim.
[05:48] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:48] <flaccid> haha aim sued em
[05:48] <bryce_> lol Thanks a lot!
[05:48] <Dr_willis> 'friends dont let friends use aol'
[05:48] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:48] <bryce_> So is there any other logs I can set up, just in case she does learn to disable it?
[05:49] <NickPresta> bryce_, I don't know of any that interface directly with gaim.
[05:49] <flaccid> nope
[05:49] <flaccid> unless you record keystrokes/video macro
[05:49] <Tomi-idle> you could listen to internet traffic, but that will be a bit more troublesome
[05:49] <Tomi-idle> msn isn't crypted as far as i know
[05:49] <NickPresta> Tomi-idle, using Wireshark, you can see plaintext conversations, yeah
[05:50] <NickPresta> however, that means a lot of searching and such. Far less ideal
[05:50] <bryce_> I just want to catch this dirty prick! It disgusts me that people like this ruin the anem of all us men.  I cannot understand why a guy would want to do this...
[05:50] <Bearcat> Icsn not get this scanner working inder kooka or sane for the life of me. sane-find-scanner locates it at "libusb:005:003" but how do i get kooka to see it? It work on my kubuntu laptop, but not my friends pc
[05:50] <Tomi-idle> bryce_: the world aint that pretty, especially when they think they're anonymous on the internet
[05:51] <michael_mcgee> can someone help me using Konversation?
[05:51] <Tomi-idle> michael_mcgee: what's your problem?
[05:51] <bryce_> Well I got his IP address and gave it to the police!  So there's one step, now they told me to monitor and copy the conversations.  That's the second step.  The third step is them stepping in and catching him in the action.
[05:51] <michael_mcgee> i need to connect to a different server for a friend who has a different distro.    Freenode #pclinuxos-support
[05:52] <michael_mcgee> omg i just connected using the link
[05:52] <michael_mcgee> nm
[05:52] <Tomi-idle> bryce_: there are ways he could route through another ip if he's tech savvy, check that he uses same IP
[05:52] <bryce_> Thanks a lot NickPresta for walking me thru the steps of setting up logging!  I really appreciate that!
[05:53] <bryce_> He does... he's stupid!  He even gave her his real name, which I tracked down to Edmonton, Alberta.  He wants to come here and visit her.  I'm kinda hoping he does!   Police said once we get a little more conversation, we can use her account and lure him to Grande Prairie and catch him in the act.  It's against the law for an older guy to meet a younger girl online and arrange a meetup in person... It's "with intent" they said.
[05:56] <flaccid> what law would he be breaking sorry
[05:57] <bryce_> Not sure, I've got a lot a paper work from the station today that I still have to read over so I can make sure this goes down properly without him being able to just slid away free.
[05:57] <flaccid> if thats the case you are assuming he wants to arrange a to meet in person
[05:57] <flaccid> yeah
[05:57] <flaccid> what country is this in?
[05:58] <hitmanWilly> i don't know, i hate pedophiles as much as the next guy, but this sounds kinda like entrapment to me...
[05:58] <bryce_> My daughters best friend sits in on all the conversations with thsi guy... She's been talking Nikkila out of talking with him, but she finds it "fun" and thinks he's harmless.  Kerri says the guy is always trying to talk sexually with her.
[05:58] <bryce_> Alberta, Canada.
[05:58] <Tomi-idle> hitmanWilly:  if there's a clear intention to do harm to your child i'd definately agree with entrapment :p
[05:58] <hitmanWilly> bryce_, ok, nm then, get the f@cker
[05:59] <bryce_> I just want to nail the fucker!  I remember me as a younger guy, yeh, it was neat to hit on the younger girls... but a 30 something yr old guy hitting on my 13 year old daughter, wanting to have "sex games"" with her online...  I asked the same thing hitmanwilly.  They told me to get more of the conversations and bring them back.
[06:01] <flaccid> i dont see any invasion of privacy hnere
[06:01] <dsmith_> coming from DALnet, Yahoo and ICQ I would chat with ppl of all ages... You do get some weirdos, I would always ignore those.
[06:01] <bryce_> I cannot remember what exactly the law he would be breaking was...
[06:01] <dsmith_> meeting a minor for whatever reason is lame
[06:01] <bryce_> flaccid... that was to the comment about the police monitoring this guys connection (or something to that, from above)
[06:01] <flaccid> i woudl be confirming that law first...
[06:01] <hitmanWilly> bryce_, if they can prove intent, they got him, just like someone doesn't actually have to have sex with an undercover prostitute to get busted for it
[06:02] <flaccid> then the polic would be breaking the law
[06:02] <flaccid> in america, undercover cops do entrapment every day undercover to catch criminals. its so wrong but yeah thats america for ya
[06:02] <dsmith_> should'nt this topic be moved?
[06:03] <dsmith_> er...conversation
[06:03] <bryce_> whatever law it is, doesn't really matter... it's the fact that this guy intends to meet up with her, wants to play "sex games" online with her... and has been telling her things about if he met up with her, this is what he'd do.
[06:03] <Tomi-idle> maybe if there's an Ignore-list on msn that you could use to make him unable to respond to your daughter
[06:03] <Tomi-idle> but that's only if you don't want to catch him and just make him leave your daughter alone :/
[06:04] <flaccid> the law is the law. go #off-topic
[06:04] <bryce_> Sorry dsmith... It started out me asking how to log conversations on gaim.... now I'm venting because I don't have a wife, it's just me and my daughter, you guys other than the police, are all I've talked to about it.
[06:04] <hitmanWilly> if it was me id do a traceroute back and find out what the address on the ip is, and $DEITY help him then
[06:04] <dsmith_> bryce: block his account
[06:04] <dsmith_> and disallow your child from speaking with this person
[06:04] <bryce_> Tomi-idle, I thought about that too... but would you want to just let him stay online and talk to other girls?  You have daughters?
[06:04] <Bearcat> bryce_: you aren't just protecting your daughter. Your protecting other children too.
[06:05] <dsmith_> in protecing other kids I would agree its his call
[06:05] <ardchoille> Bearcat: I totally agree with you.
[06:05] <bryce_> I want to do that dsmith, but I also want this dirty pervert to get what he deserves!
[06:05] <Tomi-idle> bryce_: im only thinking if it could be a better choice for _you_. there's a chance you might be sued for harrasssing him
[06:05] <bryce_> Thank you bearcat!
[06:05] <yurimxpxman> `sudo cat /dev/urandom > /dev/mem` :D
[06:05] <Tomi-idle> bryce_: but then again different country different laws :)
[06:05] <Bearcat> bryce_: no problem. I wish there were more people like you.
[06:05] <bryce_> What do you mean hitmanwilly?
[06:05] <flaccid> i'll im saying is know the law, don't make assumptions, don't break the law against him and take this to off-topic channel..
[06:06] <dsmith_> "Nudf said..
[06:06] <kilrae> it would be breaking the law to take this to the off topic channel?
[06:06] <bryce_> I'm not going to do anything but get him caught in the act... With of course the help of the police and my daughters friend, Kerri.
[06:06] <Tomi-idle> lol@kilrae
[06:06] <dsmith_> lol
[06:06] <Tomi-idle> maybe #kubuntu's topic should be renamed to "msn predators
[06:06] <Tomi-idle> j/k
[06:07] <dsmith_> Tomi-idle: now
[06:07] <dsmith_> err..no
[06:07] <flaccid> !offtopic
[06:07] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[06:07] <bryce_> Sorry guys... I got what I needed for help, I appreciate it... Thank you!  Sorry for rambling, venting and blabbing...
[06:07] <bryce_> How's the world of Linux?
[06:07] <hitmanWilly> bryce_, you can find out who owns a particular ip address, usually with a whois lookup, and you could find that out via incoming, outgoing connections, should be doable, or look up his msn profile
[06:07] <kilrae> it's harder to be lured when you're on linux
[06:07] <Bearcat> ok folks. I realy want to get this scanner working. I'd love some help. sane-find-scanner finds it, but nothing else does. It works on my other systems.  help..please? I've been fighting this off and on for months now.
[06:07] <arun> ?
[06:08] <Tomi-idle> kilrae: i don't think that's the case
[06:08] <bryce_> I have hitmanwilly... But I cannot proceed on my own... It has to be involved with the law, otherwise I would be the one in trouble for "harrasment" like someone had mentioned before.
[06:08] <dsmith_> doesn't linux have a hardware compatability list?
[06:08] <bryce_> I need to have "proof" said the police.
[06:08] <kilrae> luring is hardware now
[06:08] <hitmanWilly> bryce_, i was just saying that it was possible
[06:08] <bryce_> Thanks hitmanwilly :)
[06:09] <Tomi-idle> Bearcat: have you checked the sane supported scanners
[06:09] <bryce_> OK.... sorry people.... LINUX conversations only.... Bearcat has a problem... let's help him lol
[06:09] <flaccid> !scanner
[06:09] <ubotu> Scanning software: XSane, the gimp, Kooka. For instructions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ScanningHowTo and to see supported hardware: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsScanners
[06:09] <flaccid>  you followed all that above, Bearcat?
[06:09] <kilrae> so get a young sounding woman to pretend to be your daughter, have him phone said woman and tape it, it's legal in canada
[06:09] <Tm_T> !offtopic
[06:09] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[06:09] <Bearcat> Tomi-idle: i know it works on my kubuntu laptop, so it must be a setting in this particular pc
[06:09] <bryce_> well there we go flaccid helped lol
[06:09] <jaxon_> what would be the equivalent in kde for this line?... (gksudo dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config)
[06:10] <Bearcat> flaccid: *reading*
[06:10] <bryce_> Already getting that planned out with my daugthers friend.  She's the one who told me... She's worried about all this as I am.  **shhh before people start slapping me with salmons for still talking about this*
[06:10] <kilrae> salmons? did trout go out of style?
[06:11] <Tomi-idle> Bearcat: if it's usb then you might want to check that you have usb2.0 enabled. that's all i can think of sorry
[06:11] <bryce_> I was hoping for salmon dinner tomorrow *hint hint* lol
[06:11] <kilrae> i had salmon for lunch
[06:11] <bryce_> :P I had stirfry lol
[06:11] <Dr_willis> Genetically Modified Food! egads!
[06:12] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:12] <Bearcat> Tomi-idle: well the printer portion/flash memory reader part works fine, so i'd imagine so
[06:12] <flaccid> lol pasted that before Bearcat first time you asked :)
[06:12] <dsmith_> lol...
[06:13] <dsmith_> its just freid chicken strips in orange syrup
[06:13] <dsmith_> but I digress
[06:13] <kilrae> is orange chicken kubuntu related?
[06:13] <bryce_> OK... I've got to get going.... THANK YOU SO MUCH for everyone's help... and allowing me to vent.  You guys have a wonderful evening!  I'm sure I'll drop by later!
[06:13] <Dr_willis> Its the next release. :)
[06:13] <Dr_willis> That would be cool way to name releases.
[06:14] <dsmith_> it is as Its setting next to my kubuntu brabded lappy :P
[06:14] <kilrae> i fully support food themed release names
[06:14] <Dr_willis> "MooGoo Gai Pan" Beta release. :)
[06:14] <modjo> (in the voice of the dr nick character) Hi everybody!
[06:14] <dsmith_> hahaha
[06:15] <modjo> has anyone here used xSMBrowser to browser windows shared folders?
[06:15] <kilrae> Kubunto 7.10 Super Spring Roll
[06:15] <dsmith_> that would be a cool name convention for some distro
[06:15] <modjo> xSMBrowser ?
[06:15] <dsmith_> Kung-fu Linux
[06:16] <Dr_willis> Releases based on Porn Actresseses.. that way the wallpaper can be a different default :)
[06:16] <modjo> !xSMBrowser
[06:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xsmbrowser - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:16] <dsmith_> heh
[06:16] <modjo> has anyone here used xSMBrowser to browser windows shared folders?
[06:16] <ws4> halo ada orang indo
[06:16] <kilrae> 8.04 Jiggly Jenna ?
[06:17] <dsmith_> haha
[06:17] <Tm_T> stop that foofoo
[06:17] <ws4> ?????
[06:17] <Tm_T> stick in support when there's questions
[06:17] <ws4> well
[06:17] <underdog5004> !offtopic
[06:17] <hitmanWilly> didn't we already go through this a few years back :P
[06:17] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[06:17] <flaccid> please idle unless you have a problem or helping with a problem
[06:17] <modjo> i have kubuntu questions
[06:17] <modjo> :(
[06:17] <dsmith_> ask away
[06:17] <ws4> how to go to chanel dalnet???
[06:17] <modjo> has anyone here used xSMBrowser to browser windows shared folders?
[06:17] <underdog5004> I'm here too
[06:18] <underdog5004> ws4, just type in /join #dalnet
[06:18] <modjo> i meant
[06:18] <hitmanWilly> ws4, dalnet is a network, not a channel
[06:18] <underdog5004> if they're hosted on this server
[06:18] <modjo> has anyone here used xSMBrowser to browse in windows shared folders?
[06:18] <underdog5004> modjo, it's a samba-based browser?
[06:18] <modjo> yes underdog
[06:18] <Tm_T> !repeat | modjo
[06:18] <ubotu> modjo: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[06:18] <modjo> im pretty sure
[06:18] <jaxon_> this line in KDE ...... "gksudo dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config"  .....?  thx
[06:18] <ws4> ist time using kubuntu!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[06:19] <ws4> confiusing
[06:19] <modjo> !patience
[06:19] <ubotu> The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[06:19] <underdog5004> modjo, weird...never heard of suck a thing
[06:19] <underdog5004> modjo, you may want to use konqueror and use this syntax:
[06:19] <underdog5004> smb://username@windowsbox:/path/to/file/or/drive/
[06:20] <underdog5004> I think that'll work...I don't interact with windows too much if I can help it.
[06:20] <modjo> by username you mean my username in kubuntu or linux?
[06:20] <modjo> and what does windowsbox means?
[06:20] <underdog5004> modjo, I mean the username you'd use to log into the remote machine (the one where the files are that you're trying to access)
[06:21] <underdog5004> modjo, that means either the hostname or ip address of the remote machine
[06:21] <modjo> i dont know that username... i mean it open to anybody
[06:21] <underdog5004> modjo, try just the host name (or ip address)
[06:21] <Tm_T> IIRC smb:// let you browse if it's in home network
[06:21] <jaxon_> should i install (gk su) if i m using kubuntu?
[06:21] <ws4> all i wat to do is just go to dalnet server, and all the fill is empty
[06:21] <modjo> ok im getting somewhere
[06:22] <underdog5004> thanks, Tm_T, I'm pretty rusty with samba...just know the general protocol/syntax...lol
[06:22] <modjo> with the ip address it return me somekind of error
[06:22] <Tomi-idle> jaxon_: kdesu is for graphical root
[06:22] <underdog5004> modjo, details?
[06:22] <Tm_T> underdog5004: well, I have used it twice I think
[06:22] <modjo> "unkown host smb"
[06:22] <HanzZ> hi... i dont know why, but i can't find kcolorchooser in kubuntu
[06:22] <keesercc_> is it possible to create an un-deletable folder?
[06:22] <hitmanWilly> jaxon_, no, substitute kdesu anytime it calls for gksu
[06:22] <HanzZ> is it in kubuntu?
[06:22] <underdog5004> modjo, what'd you type in the address bar?
[06:22] <modjo> smb://linoman@<IP_ADDRESS>:/path/to/file/or/drive/
[06:22] <underdog5004> HanzZ, I don't think so
[06:23] <underdog5004> HanzZ, try sudo apt-get install kcolorchooser
[06:23] <jaxon_> cheers: Tomi-idle n hitmanWilly
[06:23] <modjo> but im nt shire if linoman is right
[06:23] <modjo> *but im not sure if linoman is right
[06:23] <HanzZ> underdog5004: :) i got it... it's in package kcoloedit
[06:23] <underdog5004> modjo, if the machine is on your local network, just walk over to it and get the username ;)
[06:24] <underdog5004> HanzZ, great
[06:24] <HanzZ> thx :)
[06:24] <modjo> ok let me see it
[06:24] <modjo> be right back
[06:25] <underdog5004> lol, ok
[06:25] <modjo> dumb me, my win desktop is also modjo
[06:25] <underdog5004> haha
[06:25] <modjo> smb://modjo@<IP_ADDRESS>:/path/to/file/or/drive/
[06:25] <modjo> is it like that?
[06:25] <underdog5004> yessir
[06:26] <modjo> same mistake
[06:26] <modjo> let me check if the ip address is ok
[06:26] <modjo> be right back
[06:26] <Tm_T> modjo: does smb:// let you browse it?
[06:26] <sparr> my tablet is supposed to have a wacom "eraser" input...  how might that work, physically?
[06:26] <Tm_T> sparr: no idea, never used tablet
[06:27] <underdog5004> sparr, you would turn your pen upside down and erase
[06:27] <underdog5004> that's how it works on windows, iirc
[06:27] <sparr> underdog5004: that doesnt seem to have any effect
[06:27] <underdog5004> sparr, I can't help you to much...sorry.
[06:27] <Tm_T> joseph1110216: you shouldn't irc as root
[06:27] <underdog5004> lol
[06:28] <underdog5004> lesson number one
[06:28] <joseph1110216> wat u mean
[06:28] <modjo> underdog: same thing
[06:28] <modjo> the ip address is correct
[06:28] <modjo> do i have to download a plugin?
[06:28] <underdog5004> modjo, have you shared the files on windows?
[06:28] <joseph1110216> my irc only seems to work when i sudo konversation
[06:28] <Tomi-idle> ouch
[06:28] <Tm_T> joseph1110216: http://www.bsd.org/faq.html#rootsucks
[06:28] <modjo> yes i do :D my music folder
[06:28] <joseph1110216> only works when i sudo konversation
[06:28] <underdog5004> modjo, lol, I'm out of ideas
[06:29] <joseph1110216> i cant get konversation to run any other way
[06:29] <Tomi-idle> joseph1110216: you gotta find some other way to make it work. big security risk using sudo for irc client
[06:29] <sparr> underdog5004: aha, youre right, but my stylus doesnt have that function.  thanks
[06:29] <joseph1110216> ok thanx
[06:29] <underdog5004> genii is a great guy to talk to, but he's almost never on
[06:29] <Tomi-idle> joseph1110216: if it doesn't work try some other irc client, i.e. x-chat
[06:29] <modjo> thats a picky konversation app
[06:29] <Tm_T> noooooo
[06:29] <Tm_T> I was about to tell him how that issue can be solved
[06:29] <Tm_T> bah
[06:29] <Tm_T> BAH!
[06:29] <Tomi-idle> i scared him away!
[06:29] <modjo> jajajajajaja
[06:29] <Tomi-idle> Tm_T: how do you solve it then?
[06:30] <modjo> tough luch
[06:30] <modjo> luck
[06:30] <modjo> i dont know what to do
[06:30] <modjo> i want to be able to hear my shared music of my winbased pc
[06:30] <Tm_T> Tomi-idle: running it from konsole -> check error -> resolve problem (remove obstacle) -> done
[06:30] <Tomi-idle> Tm_T: lol, yeah
[06:30] <Kr4t05> Hrm... Does anyone have any tips for getting an Xbox 360-style gamepad working?
[06:30] <underdog5004> modjo, try the forums
[06:31] <underdog5004> or, I know there are a bunch of tutorials online...
[06:31] <underdog5004> or just hang around here
[06:31] <modjo> underdog i tried the forums, but the seem to hel a lot connecting windows mahcines to linux
[06:31] <Tm_T> Tomi-idle: basic procedure
[06:31] <modjo> not the other way
[06:31] <underdog5004> modjo, ah
[06:31] <underdog5004> google is now your best friend
[06:31] <Tomi-idle> Tm_T: yes. thought you knew the specific problem on konversation :)
[06:32] <Tm_T> Tomi-idle: there can be dozens of "specific problem on konversation" ;)
[06:32] <modjo> google is always my first choice
[06:32] <modjo> let me ask him one more time
[06:32] <underdog5004> that's a great attitude to have towards learning about linux
[06:32] <Tomi-idle> Tm_T: true dat.;)
[06:32] <modjo> fo shizzle?
[06:33] <Kr4t05> I bought a Logitech controller, that looks like an Xbox 360-style gamepad... I already tried the xpad360 module, but it doesn't work.
[06:34] <modjo> hey underdog
[06:34] <modjo> i just realized something
[06:34] <underdog5004> what?
[06:34] <underdog5004> your windows machine is unplugged?
[06:34] <underdog5004> lol
[06:34] <modjo> the @ sign seems to change when i type it on the address bar
[06:34] <modjo> http://smb//modjo%400<IP_ADDRESS>:/path/to/file/or/drive/:
[06:34] <modjo> i wish
[06:34] <underdog5004> oooh
[06:34] <underdog5004> that's strange
[06:34] <underdog5004>  @ %
[06:34] <Tm_T> joseph1110216: running it from konsole -> check error
[06:34] <hitmanWilly> Kr4t05, try just a generic joypad device
[06:34] <modjo> i mean, i type @ on the address bar and thats the error
[06:34] <underdog5004> the error is the % sign?
[06:34] <joseph1110216> ok thanx
[06:35] <Kr4t05> hitmanWilly: Doesn't work.
[06:35] <joseph1110216> i see many errors
[06:35] <Tm_T> joseph1110216: mooh, run that konversation from Konsole without sudo and see error
[06:35] <hitmanWilly> Kr4t05, /dev/joy doesn't return anything?
[06:35] <modjo> i typed this
[06:35] <joseph1110216> how do i run without sudo konversation
[06:35] <Tm_T> joseph1110216: collect all of them and paste them to pastebin
[06:35] <modjo> http://smb//<IP_ADDRESS>:/path/to/file/or/drive/
[06:35] <joseph1110216> im new here
[06:35] <modjo> the rror tells me this
[06:35] <Tm_T> joseph1110216: it's ok
[06:35] <modjo> An error occurred while loading http://smb//<IP_ADDRESS>:/path/to/file/or/drive/:
[06:35] <Tm_T> joseph1110216: you're doing fine
[06:35] <underdog5004> modjo, lol, not http://
[06:35] <modjo> see the @ is missing?
[06:35] <joseph1110216> how do i run konversation
[06:35] <underdog5004> just smb://
[06:35] <Kr4t05> hitmanWilly: ls: /dev/joy: No such file or directory
[06:35] <joseph1110216> without sudo konversation
[06:35] <Tomi-idle> joseph1110216: type "konversation" on konsole
[06:36] <underdog5004> and no @ if you don't type in a username
[06:36] <joseph1110216> ill try
[06:36] <Tm_T> joseph1110216: open konsole
[06:36] <Tm_T> Tomi-idle: don't interfere me now
[06:36] <joseph1110216> is terminal same as console
[06:36] <Tm_T> joseph1110216: yes
[06:36] <Tomi-idle> Tm_T: :p yeah im off to school, bye ;P
[06:36] <Tm_T> joseph1110216: Konsole is terminal application
[06:36] <Tm_T> Tomi-idle: bye :)
[06:36] <modjo> it puts the http
[06:36] <joseph1110216> DCOPClient::attachInternal. Attach failed Could not open network socket
[06:36] <joseph1110216> DCOPClient::attachInternal. Attach failed Could not open network socket
[06:36] <joseph1110216> trying to create local folder /home/joseph/.kde/share: Permission denied
[06:37] <underdog5004> ok, but you don't need to put an @ if you aren't typing in a username
[06:37] <joseph1110216> trying to create local folder /home/joseph/.kde/share: Permission denied
[06:37] <joseph1110216> trying to create local folder /home/joseph/.kde/share: Permission denied
[06:37] <Tm_T> NOOOOO
[06:37] <underdog5004> !pastebin
[06:37] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[06:37] <joseph1110216> trying to create local folder /home/joseph/.kde/socket-joseph-desktop: Permission denied
[06:37] <Tomi-idle> Tm_T: i'd so wanna answer that problem ;D
[06:37] <hitmanWilly> Kr4t05, try ls /dev/input
[06:37] <joseph1110216> trying to create local folder /home/joseph/.kde/socket-joseph-desktop: Permission denied
[06:37] <underdog5004> I hate you, joseph1110216
[06:37] <joseph1110216> kdeinit: Aborting. bind() failed: : Permission denied
[06:37] <joseph1110216> Could not bind to socket '/home/joseph/.kde/socket-joseph-desktop/kdeinit__1'
[06:37] <joseph1110216> DCOPClient::attachInternal. Attach failed Could not open network socket
[06:37] <joseph1110216> DCOPClient::attachInternal. Attach failed Could not open network socket
[06:37] <joseph1110216> ERROR: KUniqueApplication: Can't setup DCOP communication.
[06:37] <joseph1110216> joseph@joseph-desktop:~$
[06:37] <joseph1110216> im new
[06:37] <joseph1110216> sorry
[06:37] <Tm_T> oh boy
[06:37] <Kr4t05> !paste > joseph1110216
[06:37] <underdog5004> modjo, ok, but you don't need to put an @ if you aren't typing in a username
[06:37] <modjo> yes joseph
[06:37] <Tm_T> joseph1110216: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[06:37] <modjo> i am typing the username as you told me
[06:38] <joseph1110216> ok bu can u guys tell me wat all those errors mean?
[06:38] <Tm_T> joseph1110216: also, pleas DONT run apps with sudo unless someone says so
[06:38] <joseph1110216> ok
[06:38] <modjo> is there something in the line before smb?
[06:38] <Tm_T> joseph1110216: I know very well, you used sudo, it messed your file permissions
[06:38] <Kr4t05> hitmanWilly: "ls /dev/input | grep js"  Returns nothing.
[06:38] <yurimxpxman> is there a way to dump individual files from wireshark?
[06:38] <underdog5004> ok, so what you're typing in should be this: smb://modjo@<IP_ADDRESS>:/path/to/file
[06:38] <modjo> yes
[06:38] <sparr> is there a [k] ubuntu packaged kernel with CONFIGURE_TIMER_STATS enabled?
[06:38] <modjo> and
[06:38] <underdog5004> how strange
[06:39] <hitmanWilly> Kr4t05, try searching apt for joystick support
[06:39] <modjo> it changes it to
[06:39] <modjo> http://smb//modjo%40<IP_ADDRESS>:/path/to/file
[06:39] <Tm_T> sparr: ask #ubuntu-kernel ?
[06:39] <hitmanWilly> Kr4t05, there may be a pkg you need to install
[06:39] <underdog5004> modjo, and you're using konqueror or xsmbrow* ?
[06:39] <joseph1110216> i pasted alot and no one told me wat was wrong with my konversation
[06:39] <modjo> konqueror as youy told me
[06:39] <underdog5004> modjo, I am _totally_ out of ideas now, sorry!
[06:40] <sparr> Tm_T: heh, ubuntu's many-channeled-ness is killing me with the freenode join limit
[06:40] <modjo> stupid difference of operative systems networking!
[06:40] <underdog5004> joseph1110216, you need to paste the errors to pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org and then type the web address in where we can view it at our leisure
[06:40] <Tm_T> sparr: glad I don't have that problem with my 30 channels etc
[06:40] <Kr4t05> hitmanWilly: I'll try joystick and libjsw2, but I can't see how that would make a difference. I've used other gamepads fine.
[06:41] <joseph1110216> ok ill get that fixed some other time. i have another issu to adress
[06:41] <sparr> Tm_T: what did you have to do to get that?
[06:41] <raylu> there was a command that showed all keyboard/mouse input, but i forgot it. does anyone know what it was?
[06:41] <Tm_T> sparr: someone likes me perhaps
[06:41] <hitmanWilly> Kr4t05, yeah, sounds like it uses some sort of weird drivers
[06:41] <sparr> :(
[06:41] <sparr> i hit the 20 limit every day
[06:41] <Tm_T> sparr: #ubuntu-ops might help ;)
[06:41] <sparr> its not an ubuntu issue
[06:41] <Kr4t05> hitmanWilly: Yeah, probably the Xbox 360 controller drivers, as that's what it uses in Vista.
[06:41] <Tm_T> sparr: I know
[06:42] <joseph1110216> i was supposed to create a dual boot on a laptop shared by two people....one person gets xp and the other gets ubuntu. i accidentally created ubuntu for the wrong person who now is the ubuntu admin. how do i remove that person and change to a new person
[06:42] <Kr4t05> I've tried the xpad360 module, but it's a bit funky.
[06:42] <hitmanWilly> Kr4t05, not really sure on that one
[06:43] <modjo> joseph: formatting the whole laptop?
[06:43] <raylu> xev!
[06:43] <Tm_T> joseph1110216: do this in konsole: "sudo chown username:username -R ~/"
[06:43] <Tm_T> modjo: wrong answer
[06:43] <joseph1110216> wat does that do
[06:43] <ertr>  is there a quick and easy way to replace words in a text file from the terminal
[06:43] <Tm_T> joseph1110216: it returns all filerights from homepath to user
[06:43] <joseph1110216> ok ill try
[06:44] <Tm_T> joseph1110216: replace username with your
[06:44] <joseph1110216> ill tell u guys wat happens
[06:44] <modjo> Tm_T: does Tm_T stands for teenage mutant _ turtle?
[06:44] <Tm_T> modjo: no
[06:44] <joseph1110216> the second username in username:username
[06:44] <Tm_T> joseph1110216: same, the second part is group but you won't want any other group
[06:45] <ertr>  is there a quick and easy way to replace words in a text file from the terminal let's say i want to change sourclist feisty into gutsy
[06:45] <modjo> is there any answer i can give is correct?
[06:45] <Kr4t05> ertr:  sed, but it's tricky.
[06:45] <Tm_T> modjo: that's offtopic
[06:45] <modjo> true
[06:46] <ertr> Kr4t05: nano doesn't do replace?
[06:46] <joseph1110216> so it would look like  "sudo chown joseph:joseph -R ~/"
[06:46] <modjo> well gotta go, keep searching for the perfect alliance between linux and windows with no mac arounds
[06:46] <Kr4t05> ertr: Nope
[06:46] <Tm_T> joseph1110216: yes
[06:46] <joseph1110216> ok ill try
[06:46] <Tm_T> joseph1110216: IF you do that sudo callas joseph
[06:46] <dustin> Hey
[06:47] <dustin> Can someone help me out? I'm having problems with my sound.  When playing audio in Amarok, no sound comes out but it plays through the songs extremely fast.
[06:48] <joseph1110216> ok im getting errors....lets say the owner/admin/watever is named bob and i want to change the owner to tim    do i type "sudo chown bob:bob -R /
[06:49] <hitmanWilly> joseph1110216, not it would be tim:tim in that case
[06:49] <joseph1110216> ok let me try
[06:49] <Tm_T> joseph1110216: well, that change file owner
[06:49] <Tm_T> joseph1110216: not system owner
[06:49] <Tm_T> joseph1110216: please don't EVER do that command for /
[06:50] <joseph1110216> ???
[06:50] <Tm_T> don't ever do anything to /
[06:50] <Tm_T> really
[06:50] <Tm_T> especially not with -R
[06:50] <Tm_T> unless you like to destroy your system
[06:51] <Bearcat> well folks i think i'm outta here. I still don't have this working, but one thing i do notice is that the pc that can
[06:51] <Bearcat> can
[06:51] <Bearcat> arrgh
[06:51] <joseph1110216> ok i installed ubuntu and when i installed it asked for an owner  (we shall call the owner bob) i want to change the owner to tim...how would i do this?
[06:51] <Tm_T> joseph1110216: I don't know exactly, have you tried to search wiki and or forums?
[06:51] <joseph1110216> that command with the -r returned "returned invalid user"
[06:51] <Bearcat> night folks
[06:52] <Bearcat> thanks for the support
[06:52] <joseph1110216> i will get confused if i search the forums best help is from u guys
[06:52] <Tm_T> joseph1110216: I usually feel the same
[06:52] <joseph1110216> so should i just reinstall ubuntu and get the name right?
[06:53] <Tm_T> joseph1110216: I'm slowly feeling you would do much better by reinstalling whole system, though then you might miss big bunch of learning
[06:53] <Tm_T> there IS way to change owners
[06:53] <joseph1110216> lol true
[06:53] <raylu> um...
[06:53] <Tm_T> but I unfortunately don't have to time to find it out, sorry
[06:53] <raylu> the owner isn't really the owner...it's just a user account
[06:53] <raylu> with some special configuration
[06:53] <Tm_T> yup
[06:54] <Tm_T> it's prolly all in sudoers
[06:54] <raylu> if it really bugs you, you can create a new user, config it the same way, and delete the old user
[06:54] <Tm_T> !sudoers
[06:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sudoers - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:54] <Tm_T> hmh
[06:54] <raylu> yeah; it's also a member of some groups
[06:54] <Tm_T> !sudo
[06:54] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[06:54] <dustin> can anyone help with my little problem? when i turn the systems sound buffer all the way down it helps a little but everything is still garbled
[06:55] <raylu> dustin, try setting all your mixer settings to the middle
[06:59] <dustin> how do you mean, exactly
[07:05] <martalli> Anyone using kde4 in gutsy?
[07:05] <dustin> i rebooted and now my sound is gone entirely
[07:05] <Tm_T> #ubuntu+1 for gutsy
[07:06] <martalli> Tm_T: Just asking conversationally =)
[07:06] <Tm_T> then #kubuntu-offtopic
[07:09] <JohnStockton> Can anyone clue me into why my screen looks like this: http://img168.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc02326fc0.jpg
[07:11] <martalli> Just a stab here - but maybe your vsync/hsync is off
[07:11] <martalli> Certainly something is wrong with your video card/driver
[07:12] <JohnStockton> crap
[07:12] <martalli> What kind of card is it?
[07:12] <JohnStockton> ati radeon mobility 9000 GP
[07:12] <martalli> Are you running the ati driver or that fglrx (or whatever its called)?
[07:12] <JohnStockton> the thing is, its worked fine before.. i just changed screen resolutions, applied it and it was fine. on reboot.. i get that
[07:13] <martalli> Maybe it didn't save the settings exactly right...
[07:13] <martalli> These are the times for dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:13] <martalli> These are the times for sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:14] <JohnStockton> too bad i dont get an option with that of the "auto configure" like the guides say, haha
[07:14] <martalli> I would bet it is a sync issue (ie, the driver/xorg.conf is not properly configured for the monitor
[07:14] <martalli> What driver are you running?
[07:14] <JohnStockton> is there any way to "rollback" that from before?
[07:15] <Tm_T> JohnStockton: you mean backups?
[07:15] <JohnStockton> I suppose, given a backup was made without me telling it to before i set the new screen res
[07:16] <martalli> It probably did make a backup of the xorg.conf
[07:16] <martalli> Do you know how to go into the console with ctrl-alt-f1?
[07:16] <martalli> and back with ctrl-alt-f7
[07:16] <JohnStockton> oh ok, did not know that.
[07:17] <JohnStockton> i've just been using NX to remote into it on the lan trying to figure out how to get it back to normal
[07:17] <martalli> try going into the console (probably the screen will look better then)  cd into /etc/X11 and see how many xorg* files there are.  cp your current (just to be safe, and replace the current witht he next oldest
[07:18] <elite101> hey im starting to code and stuff for flash games was wondering is there program to do this in like CSS but without the cost
[07:18] <martalli> That's a quick and dirty idea...but running sudo spkg-reconfigure xorg-reconfigure would be a cleaner solution
[07:18] <elite101> like usuing action-script and such
[07:18] <flaccid> see #osflash
[07:18] <elite101> ahh okay
[07:18] <elite101> lol i can barely see the monitor my eyes are going blurry its like 1:18am
[07:19] <JohnStockton> there are about 5 xorg.conf's
[07:19] <flaccid> there can only be 1 /etc/X11/xorg.conf the rest are dif filenames
[07:20] <JohnStockton> well, yeah like .1 .2 and such
[07:20] <flaccid> yeah so they are old versions
[07:20] <flaccid> when you reconfigure its the old one
[07:20] <flaccid> depending on what you used to configure
[07:21] <flaccid> i gtg
[07:22] <JohnStockton> when trying spkg-reconfigure, it tells me command not found
[07:23] <martalli> woops: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:25] <martalli> The last thing it will ask is how to configure the monitor - I would suggest you pick the advanced selection and enter the proper vertical sync and horizontal sync for your monitor (you might need to look it up on the net)
[07:25] <JohnStockton> it's on an older laptop so I hope I can get that
[07:33] <raylu> JohnStockton, kcontrol also has a tool to guess sync ranges
[07:34] <raylu> kcontrol > peripherals > monitor & display
[07:35] <raylu> > hardware > (admin mode >) configure > detect monitor
[07:36] <JohnStockton> cool, i understood that kcontrol line, but the next one i'm lost
[07:36] <JohnStockton> the hardware > (admin mode) > etc. one
[07:36] <raylu> er...
[07:36] <raylu> do you see the hardware tab?
[07:37] <cprmpt> it would seem that i can't grab root by typing "su" into a console - i can only execute single commands
[07:37] <cprmpt> is there a way around this?
[07:37] <raylu> enable the root account
[07:37] <raylu> or sudo -s
[07:37] <cprmpt> i prefer the second option :)
[07:37] <raylu> it probably won't work :P
[07:37] <cprmpt> it did
[07:37] <raylu> o.0ness
[07:37] <JohnStockton> i can only see KDE clearly when i NX to it and when I click on "Monitor & Display" it just brings me back to the welcome screen :/.
[07:38] <raylu> oh yeah...i had that issue too
[07:38] <raylu> i only discovered that option while configuring xinerama
[07:39] <raylu> and, at one point, i could only see the welcome screen for that page too =\
[07:40] <JohnStockton> so i got to it by following what I could see on my NX session then replicating it with the keyboard on my laptop but when i get to the hardware tab, I can only see the middle and the rest is garbled. lol
[07:41] <raylu> o.0
[07:41] <raylu> kcmshell Peripherals/displayconfig
[07:41] <JohnStockton> maybe i'll just reinstall the entire OS
[07:41] <raylu> wait, the issue is that your x config is totally borked?
[07:41] <JohnStockton> my screen looks like this: http://img168.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc02326fc0.jpg
[07:42] <raylu> woah...that's pretty borked =\
[07:42] <JohnStockton> hah you're telling me
[07:42] <raylu> um...the top-left of your screen is fine ,right?
[07:42] <JohnStockton> not when i move things around or other things pop-up
[07:43] <raylu> o.0?
[07:43] <JohnStockton> no part of my screen is consistantly clear
[07:44] <raylu> o.0ness =\
[07:44] <raylu> model?
[07:44] <JohnStockton> and if i drag a window around, it gets very fubar'd
[07:44] <JohnStockton> this is exactly what I have: http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/11867_na/11867_na.HTML
[07:45] <JohnStockton> I think to save the headache of everyone i'll just reinstall the OS
[07:45] <JohnStockton> I'm only a month into learning this thing, so I dont think i'll lose much on my system as is
[07:47] <raylu> er...
[07:48] <raylu> wait, this worked before?
[07:48] <JohnStockton> yeah
[07:48] <JohnStockton> it all crapped out when I played with my screen resolution
[07:48] <raylu> do you have any backup xorg.confs?
[07:48] <JohnStockton> it was cool after i applied it, then on reboot it's the way you see it now
[07:49] <JohnStockton> I think I might.. xorg.conf.1,  xorg.conf.2
[07:49] <raylu> take a poke inside those files; use one of them
[07:50] <raylu> and paste your current xorg.conf
[07:51] <JohnStockton> so you're saying, copy the text from one of the backups to the current conf and reboot?
[07:52] <raylu> er, i usually just rename the files with mv :D
[07:52] <raylu> but yeah, try that. and make a backup of your current config too
[07:54] <JohnStockton> alright, reboot time... i'll let u know
[07:54] <sammy> I found an old forum post explaining the best way to get debugging from an application (I can't figure out an msn protocol problem with kopete) in kubuntu would be to use apt-get and install from source. does this still hold true?
[07:55] <sammy> kopete doesn't complain while trying to connect, it just fails. tcpdump shows it just stops in the middle of authenticating for no apparent reason.
[07:57] <JohnStockton> F yes  <3
[07:59] <raylu> it works?
[08:00] <brycew> Good evening folks!
[08:00] <JohnStockton> yep!  :D
[08:00] <JohnStockton> thanks man, saved me a lot of time
[08:00] <brycew> Question:  How do I search other channels and networks?
[08:00] <raylu> brycew, huh?
[08:00] <JohnStockton> you can search for other channels by /list
[08:01] <brycew> hows that John?
[08:01] <JohnStockton> well... it'll list all the channels on the server
[08:01] <brycew> oh gotcha lol
[08:01] <raylu> yeah...i highly recommend..
[08:01] <raylu> not doing that...
[08:01] <raylu> especially on freenode. you'll be sitting here till tommorow getting listed
[08:01] <brycew> oh... then what do I do?
[08:01] <brycew> is there a way to search by interest or something?
[08:02] <JohnStockton> i think you can wildcard it like /list *nix*
[08:02] <JohnStockton> not sure if that would take equally as long
[08:03] <brycew> K... I'm going to try this on the main entrance area when I sign into this konversation thing so I don't disrupt my window here lol
[08:04] <brycew> hey, I just typed list and it brought up a new side called "Channel List" and loaded within seconds
[08:04] <raylu> ...lol, are you sure it's not still goin'?
[08:04] <brycew> It stopped as 1341 :-S
[08:05] <brycew> 1341 shown * it says
[08:05] <whatever> hello...
[08:05] <brycew> hello
[08:05] <raylu> o.0ness
[08:05] <brycew> lol
[08:05] <whatever> i can come into irc but not browse the net :(
[08:05] <whatever> whats going on
[08:05] <wastedfluid> Hi guys.  quick question.. just switched to KDE form gnome.. and i can't figure out this theme stuff.  I went to kde looks, downloaded the KDE 3.0 themes.. but kcontrol says there are none in the directory it's at.. i have .kde.ktheme files, i even extracted the directory.. the themerc files.. where am I going wrong here?
[08:06] <brycew> ok that was weird... what just happened?
[08:07] <brycew> .... and of course to bullshit :)
[08:09] <raylu> whatever, what error/browser?
[08:10] <whatever> just using Konquerer... just managed to get my Vodafone 3g card working... Won't load pages.
[08:10] <whatever> ... an error occured while loading http://... could not connect to host
[08:10] <Dannilion> are you running knetworkmanager?  Knetworkmanager starts up automatically.. how do I get rid of it?
[08:12] <whatever> I mean stop it starting on login
[08:12] <Dannilion> it should have asked you when quitting
[08:12] <Dannilion> (at least mine did)
[08:12] <Dannilion> and I'm no genius- Hobbsee told me the answer a while ago
[08:13] <whatever> :( dont think so... I will keep playing...  :) It doesn't seem to kill anything other than the DNS problem
[08:15] <raylu> m...if knetworkmanager starts up with a runlevel (no idea if it does)
[08:15] <raylu> it'll be in /etc/rc#.d
[08:15] <raylu> and you can get rid of it with update-rc.d
[08:17] <hasan2> hi evreybody
[08:17] <hasan2> can anybody help me on configuring sound card on my ubuntu sys
[08:18] <raylu> !sound
[08:18] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[08:19] <hasan2> ubotu : yes Enable the sound system is checked
[08:20] <combo> what is good program for making back-up?
[08:20] <combo> !AIGLX
[08:21] <ubotu> AIGLX is a project that aims to enable GL-accelerated effects on a standard desktop. Supported cards: Nvidia: GeForce3 or newer; ATI: Radeon 7000 through X800; Intel: i810 or newer. Howto: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/AIGLX. For older Nvidia or newer ATI cards see !xgl
[08:21] <combo> !compiz
[08:21] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[08:22] <raylu> combo, backup of what?
[08:28] <AmyRose> !bot | hasan2
[08:28] <ubotu> hasan2: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[08:28] <combo> !backup
[08:28] <ubotu> There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[08:29] <AmyRose> !mp3