 It will be supported with security updates for both the desktop and server versions until December 2013.
[05:51] <mazal> Raring is 13.04 nie 13.10 nie
[05:51] <Kilos> dis te kort ek ek geniet kde in 13.10
[05:51] <Kilos> o
[05:51] <Kilos> sjoe nou voel ek beter
[05:51] <mazal> Saucy is 13.10
[05:51] <Kilos> dankie
[05:51] <Kilos> domkopf ne
[05:51] <drussell> Kilos: good evening :o)
[05:51] <mazal> Moet gaan tot Augustus as my Wiskunde nou reg is
[05:52] <Kilos> hehe drussell where are you now?
[05:52] <drussell> Kilos: (I'm in Phoenix, Arizona)
[05:52] <Kilos> wow you get around hey
[05:52] <drussell> Kilos: hehe so they say ;o)
[05:52] <Kilos> all good drussell ?
[05:53] <Kilos> summer in za
[05:53] <drussell> Kilos: all good! how about you?
[05:53] <drussell> Kilos: nice! weather's pretty good here too I have to say
[05:53] <Kilos> yeah good ty, loving 13.10 kde
[05:53] <Kilos> fastest install ive ever had
[05:54] <drussell> Kilos: cool
[05:54] <Kilos> is 14.04 gonna be even better
[05:55] <drussell> Kilos: should be, there's been a lot of good feedback on 13.10 for some of the subtle improvements, and the plan is 14.04 should be similar, not too many big bang changes, but polish to make a great LTS
[05:56] <Kilos> just had a funny bootup this morning, 18 terminals opened  with header of Blankscreen.kss <9>
[05:56] <Kilos> weird
[05:57] <Kilos> but everything works after closing them
[05:57] <Kilos> was quite funny
[05:57] <drussell> Kilos: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=314859
[05:57] <Kilos> keep up the good work drussell
[05:57] <Kilos> ty
[05:59] <drussell> Kilos: np, seems to be an upstream KDE issue, but people are working on it
[05:59]  * drussell heads off to bed, early start tomorrow
[05:59] <Kilos> cool ty very much
[05:59] <drussell> Kilos: yvw, laters!
[05:59] <Kilos> enjoy
[06:04] <superfly> morning
[06:11] <Kilos> hi superfly
[06:11]  * Kilos looks forward to 14.04
[06:19] <superfly> hi Kilos
[06:23] <superfly> tumbleweed: I reinstalled all my base libraries from an international server, and now my computer works
[06:34] <tumbleweed> wat
[06:34] <tumbleweed> superfly: the mirror you use will make no difference
[06:43] <superfly> tumbleweed: as long as it's not a South African mirror
[06:43] <superfly> the ZA mirrors do not work
[06:44] <superfly> well, maybe LEG does, but IS, WebAfrica and mirror.ac.za are out of date and buggy
[06:50] <Squirm> morning
[06:54] <Kilos> hi Squirm having a good rest?
[06:55] <Squirm> Kilos: my 2nd day back at work
[06:55] <Squirm> just went up for a long weekend
[06:55] <Kilos> aha you must talk to that new guy
[06:56] <Kilos> forget his nick now, about using pi for other things
[06:57] <Squirm> ok
[06:57] <Kilos> he will discuus it at the monthly meet
[07:04] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[07:08] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday
[07:12] <tumbleweed> superfly: neology's mirror tends to be in good shape
[07:13] <tumbleweed> but seriously, it's not possible for a mirror to be buggy, just out of date
[07:20] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[07:20] <magespawn> how do i print/pdf a log file on a server?
[07:21] <magespawn> scp the file to a gui system and do it from there?
[07:36] <magespawn> sorry, got disconnected, was there an answer?
[07:36] <Kilos> nope
[07:36] <magespawn> ty Kilos
[07:36] <Kilos> yw
[07:36] <mazal> I have this somewhere in a manual I think , lemme look
[07:36] <Kilos> do it that way then if its quickest magespawn
[07:37] <magespawn> i have copied the /var/log directory to my laptop and i can do it from there
[07:37] <Kilos> get it where you can see it
[07:37] <Kilos> thats a good idea. what prob are you looking for?
[07:39] <mazal> Sorry magespawn , I only have how to take man pages to pdf
[07:40] <magespawn> people logging in or attempting log in from outside the network
[07:40] <magespawn> ty mazal
[07:40] <magespawn> i can pdf them from my laptop
[07:42] <mazal> magespawn, man a2ps
[07:42] <mazal> That might help
[07:43] <magespawn> thanks
[07:43] <mazal> and man ps2pdf
[07:43] <mazal> Looks like you can first take it to ps format and then from ps to pdf
[07:44] <mazal> But might be more work than just copying to your laptop though
[07:46] <mazal> For example , I did one quickly with these 2 commands :
[07:46] <mazal> a2ps upgradeslist.txt -o upgradeslist.ps
[07:47] <mazal> ps2pdf upgradeslist.ps upgradeslist.pdf
[07:47] <mazal> Maybe you can make a script , the filenames should be the same every time yes ?
[07:48] <Kilos> sjoe slim ne
[07:49] <magespawn> there is a log rotator running so the old log get number on them 1, 2 etc
[07:49] <mazal> ai
[07:49] <magespawn> the current log is always the same name though
[07:50] <magespawn> so unless you need to look at the history that should be fine
[07:50] <mazal> Indeed
[08:05] <magespawn> mazal would i need to do it file by file?
[08:06] <mazal> I dunno magespawn
[08:07] <mazal> Output file must be specified , so I assume it will need to be file by file
[08:07] <magespawn> cool ty
[08:08] <mazal> But someone smart might have a way around that
[08:08] <magespawn> i will google and bring it up again later
[08:08] <mazal> My scripting knowledge is to low
[08:08] <magespawn> maybe inetpro will know
[08:10] <mazal> I have seen scripts for multiple files , but I dunno those options
[08:54] <Kilos> wbb
[09:03] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[09:03] <Kilos> yo henkj
[09:03] <henkj> yo Kilos
[09:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning :)
[09:08] <magespawn> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[09:11] <Vince-0> !
[09:12] <magespawn> ohi Vince-0
[09:12] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[09:18] <Kilos> if something that used to give probs all of a sudden works do you just accept it or try find out thy and what happened
[09:18] <Kilos> s/thy/why
[09:19] <magespawn> if can find out, that is best, but can take awhile
[09:19] <Kilos> lol
[09:20] <Kilos> im happy! e220 seen by all drives today. yesterday only 13.10 saw it
[09:31] <Kilos> and i did nothing
[09:32] <Kilos> saved a command and a link from the monkey last night but didnt get to check it out even
[09:37] <Kilos> murphy is having a day off
[09:37] <Kilos> yay
[09:41] <Kilos> oh magespawn are you far from home
[09:41] <Kilos> as in wifi cant reach home
[10:08] <Squirm> so
[10:08] <Squirm> hot
[10:19] <Squirm> Maaz: weather for MooiRivier
[10:19] <Maaz> Squirm: That didn't go down very well. Burp.
[10:20] <Squirm> Maaz: weather for Treverton Schools
[10:20] <Maaz> Squirm: City not found
[10:31] <Kilos> again
[10:32] <Kilos> QA, weather in mooirivier
[10:32] <QA> Kilos: In Estcourt, South Africa at 8:00 AM SAST on November 06, 2013: 27°C; Humidity: 22%; Wind: at 0 km/h; Conditions: Scattered Clouds; Sunrise/set: 5:02 AM SAST/6:24 PM SAST; Moonrise/set: 7:30 AM SAST/9:33 PM SAST
[10:33] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[10:33] <psyatw> hi Squirm
[10:33] <Kilos> hi psyatw
[10:43] <nuvolari> o/ hi Squirm, oom Kilos, psyatw
[10:43] <Kilos> hi nuvolari
[10:45] <nuvolari> hoe gaan dit oom Kilos ?
[10:45] <Kilos> goed dankie nuvolari en jy?
[10:45] <psyatw> hi nuvolari
[10:45] <psyatw> ik spreek alleen nederlands
[10:45] <psyatw> maar wij verstaan elkaar toch?
[10:46] <psyatw> hoi charl :)
[10:46] <charl> good morning
[10:46] <Kilos> hi charl
[10:46] <charl> hi psyatw
[10:47] <charl> hi Kilos
[10:47] <charl> bah hating gnome terminal again
[10:47] <charl> i hit alt+number key and then it switches tabs instead of switching "screens" inside of irssi
[10:47] <Kilos> lol
[10:47] <charl> there should be some standards for keyboard shortcuts so that these types of conflicts don't happen
[10:48] <charl> it seems like youtube is also utterly kaput on debian inside of a browser like iceweasel with no flash installed
[10:49] <charl> html video not yet properly implemented and working
[10:49] <charl> oh and on a related note, did try windows 8.1 a couple of days ago, complete and utterly unusable
[10:50] <charl> an even bigger disaster than windows 8
[10:50] <Kilos> haha
[10:50] <charl> brb
[10:51] <nuvolari> heh, psyatw, dit is goed as ons mekaar verstaan :D
[10:51] <nuvolari> dit gaan goed dankie oom Kilos
[10:53] <psyatw> nuvolari, inderdaad :D
[10:53] <psyatw> charl, I always fix the settings for it, so it works like konsole
[10:54] <psyatw> but to be honest I haven´t used ubuntu since unity was introduced
[10:56] <Kilos> chicken
[10:57] <mazal> What can be worse than Win 8?
[10:57] <Kilos> 8.1
[10:58] <mazal> lol , ok
[10:58] <Kilos> and everything there after
[10:58] <Kilos> maybe they start using linux sometime
[10:58] <mazal> Nee man , julle verstaan net nie Win nie
[10:59] <Kilos> then all our probs will start
[10:59] <mazal> Hy is tamaai , moet net niks saam hom laai nie
[10:59] <Squirm> hey nuvolari
[11:04] <charl> back
[11:04] <charl> psyatw: that's one of my biggest problems, i almost never spend any time configuring anything lol
[11:05] <charl> mazal: you have these "hints" that pop up on the screen like "swipe from the right" or "swipe from the left" and you just can't get rid of them with the mouse and keyboard
[11:05] <charl> mazal: they make you sign up for a microsoft account (mandatory now) before you can even complete the installation
[11:06] <charl> mazal: then they require you to verify your email address; how the heck can you verify your address if you don't have a browser
[11:06] <charl> mazal: fortunately i was just installing it inside a VM so i could go back to my host os for that but that's Just Plain Dumb (TM)
[11:06] <psyatw> hoi mazal, ik begijp you niet meer
[11:06] <mazal> Yeah I agree and with you. I'm just teasing ;) I don't want Win 8 anywhere near me
[11:07] <psyatw> charl, yeah, but at least on linux I can keep my settings from version to version
[11:07] <psyatw> so I usually only do it once every few years
[11:08] <charl> psyatw: i3 is one of the few things i use with an extensive configuration but my older configuration file doesn't seem to work on the new version
[11:08] <charl> psyatw: i need to fix that actually so i can get rid of gnome
[11:08] <psyatw> charl, you don´t like gnome?
[11:08] <psyatw> i3 is a window manager, right?
[11:08] <psyatw> I haven´t used it yet
[11:08] <charl> psyatw: yeah i3 is a simple tiling window manager with great keyboard navigation
[11:09] <charl> psyatw: i hate non-keyboard window managers because it forces me to reach for the mouse too often and i like to keep both hands at the keyboard
[11:10] <psyatw> charl, that seems like a good thing indeed, I hate the mouse too because it is causing so many problems for my arm and wrist
[11:11] <charl> psyatw: one of my colleagues has issues with that actually, he switched to using his left hand and now alternates
[11:12] <charl> but yeah i don't have any risk of developing those types of issues, it actually all started during the years where my primary computer was a laptop
[11:12] <psyatw> charl, I used to do that too, but I used to have a trackball which was much better for me, I think I´ll buy another one in the future
[11:12] <psyatw> oh
[11:12] <charl> i used to sit around everywhere (the couch, outside, etc) and it wasn't convenient to attach a mouse and i hated the touchpad
[11:13] <charl> because in africa it can get really hot (or in the netherlands in summer) and then my fingers get sweaty and the touchpad becomes painful to use
[11:14] <charl> so i learned to become more and more dependent on the keyboard and now i can't get away from it, just so much faster and handier
[12:07] <charl> it seems like the problem with youtube's html video is limited to iceweasel 17.0.10
[12:07] <charl> because in chromium it works fine
[12:20] <Kilos> oya charl i got 13.10 kde running lekker
[12:24] <charl> great stuff
[12:44] <magespawn> has anyone used cpanel here?
[12:57] <inetpro> goeie more
[13:00] <Kilos> cremora inetpro
[13:00] <Kilos> wolke besig om te bou, hou duim vas
[13:00] <charl> hi inetpro
[13:00] <charl> magespawn: i have, long time ago i used to develop cpanel plugins
[13:00] <charl> custom usage stats and stuff, but that was years ago
[13:00] <charl> took out some fancy tricks there
[13:00] <Kilos> what is cpanel?
[13:00]  * inetpro hates cpanel
[13:01] <Kilos> hehe
[13:01] <charl> you have these old-school hosting companies that provide you some panel thing to manage your website/email/etc
[13:01] <charl> shared hosting
[13:01] <charl> but most people are moving to vps'es these days so those are disappearing fast
[13:01] <charl> it's now all cloud (saas/iaas)
[13:02]  * nuvolari made an oath to never touch cpanel witha 10-feet pole again
[13:02] <charl> bad experience or that it's proprietary and expensive?
[13:02] <charl> i thought, for the level of the time, it was quite good actually (compared to alternatives)
[13:02] <nuvolari> well, it was good, but if you have access to a root box, nothing beats that
[13:02] <Kilos> i have enough problem keeping stuff here in order so not even listening to cloud stuff
[13:03] <charl> of course, but that's why i said, those are old school shared hosting
[13:03] <Kilos> what is magespawn trying to do?
[13:03] <charl> Kilos: i'm pretty anti-cloud myself (i run/host everything myself)
[13:04] <Kilos> yeah safer charl
[13:04] <charl> as far as possible, in any case
[13:04] <charl> the only "cloud" thing i have an account on is probably linkedin
[13:04] <charl> i host my own website/mail/xmpp etc
[13:04] <charl> no github, self hosted git and cgit, etc
[13:05] <Kilos> i wonder what is the aim of using cloud
[13:05] <Kilos> has it any advantages over and above if you host your own and drives crash
[13:05] <charl> it's convenient and scalable, but not necessarily cheap
[13:06] <charl> well you don't have to maintain it yourself, it's done for you by some company
[13:06] <charl> but then you have to trust the company of course
[13:06] <Kilos> ai!
[13:06] <charl> and once all your data and services belong and are owned by some external company, you're their b*tch basically
[13:06] <Kilos> like trusting suse now ms has bought it
[13:06] <Kilos> sjoe
[13:07] <charl> well look at canonical and their ubuntu one platform, how is that any better
[13:07] <charl> the server side is proprietary, you can't run your own ubuntu one server
[13:07] <Kilos> ya but we dont host our stuff there
[13:07] <charl> if you use ubuntu one you're basically canonical's b*tich
[13:08] <charl> good for you
[13:08] <Kilos> i only use it to pass stuff on
[13:08] <charl> get a vps and use rsync after encrypting everything with gpg if you want remote backups
[13:08] <charl> and you keep full control over the keys
[13:08] <charl> or some cloud backup service, but that only after encrypting everything on your end
[13:09] <Kilos> ill keep my own stuff here ty where i can switch it off when needed
[13:09] <charl> very good, that's my ideal too
[13:09] <charl> i am even considering moving my vps to my house but the problem is the cable network
[13:09] <charl> they sometimes do maintenance and the line goes down for a couple of hours
[13:09] <charl> usually early morning hours, but bad enough if you're running a mail server
[13:10] <Kilos> you okes that got time to google please find me some low price 16g sticks for sale
[13:10] <charl> 16g sticks?
[13:10] <Kilos> ive looked at the local places but they want R120 for 8g
[13:10] <Kilos> usb flash drives
[13:10] <charl> oh that
[13:11] <charl> i saw some 16gb drives for 10 euro but that's in NL, i'm sure that's too far away :P
[13:11] <Kilos> thats still expensive when converted and postage
[13:11] <charl> yeah exactly
[13:12] <Kilos> Maaz, convert 10 EU to ZAR
[13:12] <Maaz> Kilos: That didn't seem to agree with me
[13:12] <Kilos> oh my
[13:12] <charl> Maaz: you have some serious stomach problems
[13:12] <Maaz> charl: I already know stuff about you
[13:12] <Kilos> arent they about 13 to 1
[13:12]  * inetpro needs to play with OpenStack
[13:12] <charl> Maaz: that almost sounded like a threat
[13:12] <Maaz> charl: *blink*
[13:12] <Kilos> haha
[13:13] <inetpro> OpenStack Community Q&A http://www.openstack.org/projects/openstack-faq/
[13:13] <Kilos> sigh whats openstack
[13:13] <Kilos> ty
[13:14] <Kilos> what for you wanna do that inetpro ?
[13:37] <charl> i attended an openstack event some years back at oscon 2010
[13:37] <charl> i was very impressed (got a sticker for my laptop) but afaik openstack is more about the infrastructure, not the software
[13:41] <charl> i need to look at puppet - it seems like puppet is becoming very popular
[13:53] <charl> hi gerritfromsa
[13:53] <gerritfromsa> charl, howziiiit
[13:53] <Kilos> hi gerritfromsa talk to Squirm about your ideas with a PI
[13:54] <Kilos> he has one too
[13:54] <gerritfromsa> I think I published those links the other day  ... let me check my history ...
[13:55] <gerritfromsa> Was basically building a nice little video sever with a Pi for next 2 nothing
[13:55] <charl> video server with external hard drive attached via usb 3.0 ?
[13:55] <charl> does the raspberry pi have gigabit ethernet or 100mbps?
[13:55] <Kilos> he has a cam on his chopper
[13:56] <charl> oh so you want to do live video streaming
[13:56] <gerritfromsa> Pi , 4x USB cameras , Linux running with motion and viola ...
[13:56] <gerritfromsa> 100mbps
[13:56] <charl> this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_%28surveillance_software%29
[13:56] <gerritfromsa> The internal SD card should be ample
[13:56] <charl> yeah i was thinking more about stored video
[13:57] <gerritfromsa> or writing to san/nas
[13:58] <gerritfromsa> Like the idea of the video server on my bike ...
[13:58] <charl> a live video server on your bicycle... what would the point of that be?
[13:59] <charl> don't you just want to make a recording and upload it to somewhere later?
[14:00] <charl> personally i am more interested in this: http://raspberrycolocation.com/
[14:00] <charl> for light-weight servers (mail/web/xmpp/etc)
[14:02] <charl> the price of colocation per year is 36 euro
[14:03] <charl> http://raspberrycolocation.com/applications/\
[14:03] <charl> http://raspberrycolocation.com/applications/ (sorry finger slipped and pressed backslash-enter)
[14:04] <gerritfromsa> charl, I meant on my dirtbike - would get angles I often miss with a helmet cam ...
[14:05] <gerritfromsa> and it's easily powered by the bike ...
[14:05] <Kilos> haha
[14:06] <Kilos> tell nuvolari about this too. he likes the roasties that come with dirt bikes
[14:06] <Kilos> mountain bikes i think they called
[14:07] <Kilos> he looked quite good at one stage
[14:07] <gerritfromsa> a Dirt bike is a Motorbike (veldfiets)
[14:07] <Kilos> oh a scrambler
[14:08] <Kilos> they for crazy speed freaks
[14:08] <Kilos> im a trials bike ballie
[14:08] <gerritfromsa> sort of ... a scrambler actually refers to a specific style of bike ...
[14:08] <Kilos> mind you no more biking now
[14:09] <gerritfromsa> also have a dual sport and a naked , I just love the stuff ...
[14:09] <charl> oh so you want to use the thing as a custom video recorder
[14:10] <charl> now i understand, sorry i misunderstood the "server" part
[14:10] <charl> not as in a web server, but as in a video recorder
[14:10] <gerritfromsa> thats it
[14:11] <charl> sounds like a great project
[14:11] <charl> but then you would need somewhere to house it properly
[14:11] <charl> otherwise it will get full of mud
[14:11] <gerritfromsa> the video servers from Axis allows you to connect 'old-style' cctv cameras to it and it converts it to iptv ..
[14:11] <gerritfromsa> yes the Pi can go under the seat and the webcams will just have to take it like a man
[14:12] <Kilos> lol
[14:12] <gerritfromsa> wonder how waterproof a usb cam is/can be made ?
[14:12] <Kilos> silicon seals anything
[14:12] <gerritfromsa> nothing that a bit of epoxy cant fix
[14:12] <gerritfromsa> or silicon ...
[14:13] <gerritfromsa> or put them in the indicator housings
[14:14] <gerritfromsa> could actually be lekka to have in your car as well
[14:14] <gerritfromsa> reverse camera , forward camera , left side cam ....
[14:15] <gerritfromsa> charl, it would most definitely work for mail/web/xmpp ...
[14:16] <gerritfromsa> I use it for XBMC and it streams 1080p
[14:16] <gerritfromsa> also use it to build small PBXs
[14:16] <charl> oh yes it has an hdmi out now right?
[14:16] <gerritfromsa> jip
[14:16] <charl> that sounds like something for me actually
[14:16] <charl> because i want a fully open source television solution
[14:17] <charl> then i just use the television as a display basically
[14:17] <gerritfromsa> and it fires up when you switch the TV on!
[14:17] <charl> or even a large computer display but i have a 27 inch right now and that's about the largest cheap computer display
[14:17] <gerritfromsa> depending on yout TV set , it will power the USB port when you switch it on...
[14:17] <charl> oh so it draws power from usb ?
[14:18] <charl> how does it feed the video then - directly via usb or via hdmi?
[14:18] <gerritfromsa> yes MICRO USB port
[14:18] <charl> hmm interesting
[14:18] <charl> worth while investigating
[14:18] <charl> do you run debian on the raspberry ?
[14:18] <gerritfromsa> pifactory.co.za in JHB keeps stock
[14:18] <charl> raspbian
[14:18] <gerritfromsa> or RS Components in Kyalami
[14:19] <charl> doesn't help me but good for south african people
[14:20] <charl> oh, sorted: http://paxnova.nl/raspberry-pi
[14:22] <magespawn> thanks guys, i having to edit the company website on cpanel and cms as joomla
[14:22] <magespawn> i will tackle this in the morning again
[14:23] <magespawn> home time, later all
[14:24] <charl> oh whow ! http://www.raspberrystore.nl/
[14:28] <charl> whow, they are even distributed by farnell http://nl.farnell.com/raspberry-pi
[14:28] <charl> this is very awesome i didn't know it was so big
[14:30] <charl> farnell is huge, they are also known as element14 in some countries
[14:30] <charl> they are like one of the biggest electronics distributors
[14:31] <charl> (element number 14 is silicon btw)
[14:43] <gerritfromsa> Mine came from element14 ...
[14:43] <gerritfromsa> Pifactory sells element 14
[14:46] <charl> do you know ben heck ?
[14:46] <charl> he has a show sponsored by element14
[14:47] <gerritfromsa> nope
[14:47] <charl> http://revision3.com/tbhs
[14:47] <gerritfromsa> someyimes check darren kitchens show - hack5 - really awesome linus podcasts
[14:47] <gerritfromsa> checking ...
[14:48] <charl> yeah i have been following hak5 literally from season 1
[14:48] <gerritfromsa> the chick presenter is very nice ...
[14:49] <charl> shannon morse?
[14:50] <gerritfromsa> oh yes Shannon .... oh yes Shannon ... oh yes .. oh oh ...
[14:51] <gerritfromsa> Ben Heck ,  looks interesting
[14:51] <charl> everyone knows she has a great rack but sheesh keep your pants on (meant literally)
[14:52] <charl> ben heck is awesome, he does a lot of mods/builds and some electronics work (including raspberry pi) etc
[14:52] <gerritfromsa> and the girl got some IT knowledge too , how wonderful is that :)
[14:52] <gerritfromsa> does he do some Arduino as well ?
[14:52] <charl> unfortunately very scarce material :(
[14:52] <charl> he has done some arduino in the past if i recall correctly
[14:54] <gerritfromsa> I use x10 home automation stuff regularly for small projects but these open source Hardware projects open new doors ...
[14:54] <gerritfromsa> I actually get it from a NL based company called Marmitek
[14:55] <charl> interesting, don't know them
[14:55] <gerritfromsa> They make the special South African plug with the X-10 stuff - 240V 5-60Hz
[14:56] <charl> special south african plug? you mean the electrical supply socket?
[14:56] <gerritfromsa> Yes it's unique to SA
[14:56] <gerritfromsa> We developed it under apartheid
[14:56] <charl> it's the old british plug actually but is only commonly used in south africa these days (although not exclusively)
[14:56] <charl> no that's nonsense, it comes from britain
[14:56] <gerritfromsa> due to the boycotts
[14:57] <gerritfromsa> No UK is different
[14:57] <gerritfromsa> It was developed by a local company
[14:57] <charl> no the uk also used the same plug but they switched to the modern version of their plug many years ago
[14:57] <charl> in some countries like in botswana they use a combination of the new and old plugs
[14:57] <charl> in other african countries like kenya they only use the new plugs
[14:58] <gerritfromsa> sjit you're right just wikipedia'd now
[14:59] <gerritfromsa> called the BS 546
[14:59] <gerritfromsa> shows you the misinformation we're sitting with
[15:00] <gerritfromsa> Wait a minute , we did develop it , it did derive from the BS546 but we made some changes ...
[15:01] <gerritfromsa> so did India and Russia
[15:01] <charl> that sounds more like it
[15:01] <charl> the modern british plug is the BS 1363 (Type G) it seems
[15:01] <charl> which is also used in many african countries
[15:02] <charl> the modern south african plug is a variation of the original british design
[15:02] <gerritfromsa> yes that I know I've travelled to 14 other African countries outside SA and I concur
[15:03] <gerritfromsa> we OBVIOUSLY make it METRIC ! ;)
[15:03] <gerritfromsa> not imperial ...
[15:04] <charl> only backwards countries don't use the metric system, such as britain and the united states
[15:05] <gerritfromsa> concur
[15:06] <charl> the british plug is the only plug in europe that is not compatible with the europlug
[15:06] <charl> all variations of european plugs are compatible with the europlug
[15:08] <charl> that's why we say the british have an "island mentality"
[15:13] <nuvolari> it'z raaaining, with sunshine
[15:13] <nuvolari> jakkals trou met wolf se vrou
[15:13] <nuvolari> I'm off
[15:13] <nuvolari> o/
[15:15] <gerritfromsa> brb
[15:39] <tal0n> hello everyone
[15:57] <Kilos> hi tal0n
[15:57] <tal0n> hi Kilos
[16:12] <nuvolari> o/
[16:16] <Kilos> yo nuvolari
[16:19] <nuvolari> hi oom Kilos
[16:19] <nuvolari> hmm, wag net vir my stukkie hoender om gaar te word
[16:20] <nuvolari> ek is nou nogals honger
[16:20] <Kilos> lol
[17:09] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee and cremora
[17:09] <Maaz> One at a time you twit!
[17:09] <Kilos> hmm...
[17:09] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[17:09]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[17:09] <Kilos> Maaz, with cremora
[17:09] <Maaz> Ah! At last someone with taste
[17:13] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[17:13] <Kilos> Maaz, gracias amigo
[17:13] <Maaz> ¡de nada compadre
[18:02] <Squirm> evening
[18:26] <Kilos> hmm... power died
[18:47] <Symmetri1> holy shit i want a lab like juniper has here
[18:47] <Symmetri1> its almost as big as the damn liquid data centre
[18:47] <Kilos> fix your nick Symmetri1
[18:47] <Kilos> are you buying servers there?
[18:48] <Symmetria> nah we're testing routing gear
[18:48] <Kilos> ah
[18:53] <Kilos> hey inetpro you got this Google+ custom URL
[18:53] <magespawn> good evening
[18:53] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[18:54] <Kilos> hows the head magespawn
[18:54] <magespawn> not too bad
[18:54] <magespawn> still straining to take all the new stuff in
[18:54] <Kilos> oh not bursting from the overload yet?
[18:54] <Kilos> hehe
[18:55] <Kilos> what OS you working on there
[18:55] <Symmetria> junos
[18:55] <magespawn> win 7
[18:55] <Symmetria> for me :)
[18:55] <Symmetria> lol win 7 aint bad
[18:55] <magespawn> lol
[18:55] <Kilos> win7 server
[18:55] <Symmetria> win 7 is actually shockingly stable
[18:55] <magespawn> scarily i am gettings my hands around 8 too
[18:55] <Symmetria> Ive got a win 7 box I use every day that I aint rebooted in 8 months
[18:56] <Kilos> ouch magespawn tell them thats why they get hacked
[18:56] <Symmetria> kilos *shrug* you dont patch linux, bsd, or anything else u gonna get nailed if you aint behind layers of security
[18:56] <Symmetria> the same rules with windows and linux apply there
[18:57] <Kilos> isnt linux harder to hack from outside
[18:58] <Symmetria> no, if anything its easier because its opensource to writing exploits for it is a helluva lot easier
[18:59] <Kilos> then why doesnt everyone use windows servers?
[19:03] <magespawn> they cost a fair amount of money
[19:03] <Kilos> haha of course
[19:05] <magespawn> and even the server is still has a gui, which in a lot of cases you do not need when accessing it remotely
[19:06] <Kilos> ssh?
[19:06] <Kilos> well hats off to you magespawn ,
[19:07] <Symmetria> lol I stood infront of a 6 million dollar router just now
[19:07]  * Symmetria lusts
[19:07] <Kilos> wow
[19:07] <Symmetria> I want that, so I can sell it, and buy fancy cars ;p
[19:07] <magespawn> Symmetria, thats not normal
[19:07] <Symmetria> ;p yes it is, I can get it, sell it, and then lust after all the females I get with the money ;p
[19:07] <Kilos> where would one use a router like that?
[19:07] <magespawn> is there a default pplace to looks for backups in cpanel?
[19:07] <Symmetria> in a massive ISP backbone
[19:08] <Kilos> oh for isp's
[19:08] <Kilos> i still think small
[19:08] <Kilos> forget about the big okes out there
[19:17] <superfly> actually, it is a myth that linux is hacked more because it is open source. the reverse is true
[19:18] <superfly> magespawn: yes, but I can't recall right now. it's in there, I've used it before
[19:20] <magespawn> thanks superfly i think i have found it
[19:20] <magespawn> called idera server backup manager
[19:42] <magespawn> superfly do you think using a cms is better than not?
[19:48] <Kilos> good luck with that magespawn
[19:48] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:50] <superfly> magespawn: always
[19:50] <superfly> magespawn: and Drupal is king
[20:03] <magespawn> indeed
[20:04] <magespawn> i have restored the site from a backup but now i get an error on the joomla login page
[20:13] <magespawn> ahh well that is enough for one night, i am off to bed, good night all
[20:50] <tal0n> cheers all
[21:40] <Symmetria> lol
[21:40] <Symmetria> everything this vendor shows me
[21:40] <Symmetria> Im like, can this be done through the central management
[21:41] <Symmetria> they are like yeah but through cli...
[21:41] <Symmetria> Im like, what part of I dont wantcertain people ever going to cli dont you understand


[07:01] <Guest10329> 'sudo cd' does not work
 @kc2bez [<kc2bez> Did he get it fixed @JyotiGomes ?], Fixed! 😊 Thanks
 @Guest10329 [<Guest10329> 'sudo cd' does not work], Do only a cd
[19:34] <sappheiros> hey, hey, hey you guys
[19:34] <sappheiros> so like, i couldn't change my password ... it just wasn't working for some reason, the change password feature ...
[19:34] <sappheiros> ... and then like two weeks later, it seems to have worked this time.
[19:34] <sappheiros> :D
[19:34] <sappheiros> the end.


[02:04] <skott> hello hello
[02:04] <skott> anyone still up?
[02:04] <moylan> yup
[02:04] <skott> hey there
[02:05] <skott> this channel's not as busy as I thought
[02:05] <moylan> really used for ubuntu it meetings and organising meetups and ubuntu hours
[02:05] <skott> ah, okay
[02:05] <moylan> some times it can be busy
[02:05] <skott> how big is the irish ubuntu scene?
[02:06] <skott> never really thought to check it out before, I haven't used Ubuntu in quite a while
[02:06] <moylan> there's a fair few folk using it.
[02:06] <moylan> but a busy irc channel in ireland you might like is tog
[02:06] <skott> on freenode?
[02:07] <skott> I'm in there now, thanks!
[02:07] <moylan> yup.  it's the irc for the irish hackerspace.  http://www.tog.ie/
[02:08] <skott> i was just checking it out there, seems cool
[02:08] <moylan> but again it's late.  other channels /i/ hang out in are #sixgun and #tdtrs which are linux podcasts related
[02:08] <skott> i'll check them out, thank you! :D
[02:09] <moylan> but irc has been quiet lately.  there was a drop off when g+ was started but people seem to be trickling back lately
[02:09] <skott> oh wow, a sensible nicklen
[02:09] <skott> i haven't been on a server with a sensible nicklen in a long time!
[02:09] <moylan> and christmas will have have nerds trapped at home with family on a bit i suspect
[02:09] <skott> excellent
[02:09] <skott> heh!
[02:10] <moylan> so what os are you using at the mo?
[02:10] <skott> well, I use Arch on my laptops
[02:10] <moylan> not bad.  i hear good things about it
[02:11] <skott> Windows for games, mostly
[02:11] <moylan> boo! :-)
[02:11] <skott> I used Mint for a while for Gnome2
[02:11] <skott> heh, I know
[02:11] <skott> Arch is a nice distro!
[02:11] <skott> I use debian on servers, though
[02:12] <skott> I'm a sysadmin for tcd's netsoc and stuff
[02:12] <moylan> sounds like fun.  block reddit and time how long before the phone rings. :-)
[02:13] <skott> but yeah, I can't seem to pull myself away from Arch because of things like pacman and the AUR :P
[02:13] <skott> heh!
[02:13] <skott> that's a good point
[02:13] <moylan> aur?
[02:13] <skott> we grepped our proxy logs a while ago for things like reddit and compared them to debmirror
[02:13] <skott> pretty great results
[02:13] <skott> oh, it's the Arch User Repository
[02:14] <moylan> was just looking it up
[02:14] <skott> user-submitted packages, but you can find basically anything there and it installs as a pacman package, which is nice
[02:14] <skott> makes it easy to keep track of things as opposed to manually compiling (even if you do compile the packages from source on there)
[02:15] <moylan> so what has you up at this time?  you the night shift?
[02:15] <skott> ah no, just boredom!
[02:15] <skott> how about you?
[02:16] <moylan> the network will be quiet in tcd for a few days over crimbo.
[02:16] <moylan> oh the usual insomnia
[02:16] <skott> heh, likewise
[02:16] <skott> oh, i'm not an admin for tcd!
[02:16] <skott> thank god I'm not, they're all quite awful :P
[02:17] <skott> i admin for one of the student societies
[02:17] <moylan> i'm sure they have their reason for their awfulness
[02:17] <skott> yeah
[02:17] <skott> windows servers
[02:17] <skott> :D
[02:17] <moylan> ah well they started off buggered and worked their way downhill
[02:17] <skott> heh!
[02:17] <skott> they're one of *those* types of organisations ;)
[02:18] <moylan> probably find they're not allowed to make any real decisions that would improve things
[02:18] <skott> if only, if only
[02:19] <skott> well, i'll try to believe
[02:19] <skott> make it easier to sleep at night!
[02:19] <moylan> and you can always break out a pringles cantenae to connect to nearby wifi in trinity
[02:19] <skott> :D
[02:19] <skott> that'd be excellent, but i'm out in Bray
[02:19] <skott> so I'd need quite the pringles can
[02:20] <moylan> i think the record is quite a few miles at this stage.  though it would depend on the part of bray
[02:20] <skott> It's a good 13 miles or so, I believe
[02:20] <skott> Worth a go, I suppose!
[02:21] <skott> But I'm sure I'd find many an unencrypted access point on the way that'd make it useless
[02:21] <skott> not that I'd ever exploit that, I'm lovely
[02:21] <moylan> a little weather ballon with a directable antennae hanging off it would be neat if it weren't so windy
[02:21] <skott> that would be pretty cool
[02:22] <moylan> or some sort of solar powered drone as the tech improves
[02:22] <skott> heh!
[02:22] <skott> Oh dear, everything I'm saying is being logged
[02:23] <skott> disclaimer: sorry TCD, I didn't mean it, honest
[02:23] <skott> how is Ubuntu doing these days, anyway
[02:23] <skott> ?
[02:23] <moylan> are tcd even aware of irc? it's not msn!
[02:23] <skott> heh
[02:23] <skott> well
[02:24] <skott> I'm sure most aren't, but we're Netsoc!
[02:24] <moylan> ubuntu has growing pains.  it's dropped from the top of distrowatch under linuxmint.  most likely because of unity
[02:24] <skott> I saw, yeah :(
[02:24] <skott> I was just about to mention
[02:24] <moylan> this is a self inflicted wound
[02:24] <moylan> they knew their userbase hated it
[02:24] <moylan> they knew their userbase didn't want it
[02:24] <skott> Mint is quite a nice distro too, though, even though the package conflicts in the Debian version are quite irritating
[02:25] <moylan> they knew their userbase could choose from a wide selection of other distros
[02:25] <skott> yeah, alas
[02:25] <moylan> i went with xubuntu myself
[02:25] <skott> I had that problem with gnome3 in Arch
[02:25] <skott> now that I have my new ThinkPad, I just use Gnome3 anyway
[02:25] <skott> It's not so bad once you tweak it a bit, but nothing like gnome2 was
[02:26] <skott> Unity is a whole new type of awful, though, I'm afraid to say
[02:26] <skott> have you heard of razor-qt?
[02:26] <moylan> it'll take at least 6-12 months before gnome 3 gets back to the same point that gnome 2 was at.  probably longer
[02:26] <skott> It seems nice, it's sort of a qt take on xfce - a sort of lightweight qt4 kde
[02:26] <moylan> haven't heard of razor-qt
[02:26] <skott> yeah, I'm sure
[02:26] <skott> it's quite nice, look it up!
[02:26] <skott> i only discovered it today
[02:27] <skott> again, it's basically xfce except qt instead of gtk
[02:27] <skott> also, have you seen Mint's take on Gnome3?
[02:27] <moylan> well qt has it's own problems
[02:27] <skott> again, it's quite nice
[02:27] <skott> ah yes, of course
[02:27] <skott> qt isn't so bad, though, but i do prefer gtk2
[02:27] <moylan> keep meaning to try lubuntu and linux mint but never get around to them
[02:27] <skott> gtk3 i'm not sure about
[02:28] <skott> don't bother trying lubuntu - just install lxde
[02:28] <moylan> ultimately qt is under nokia which is under ms.  so trust in it is... hard
[02:28] <skott> i'm sure there's a lubuntu-desktop metapackage too (someone who's more familiar with ubuntu can back this up or not)
[02:28] <skott> ah, i suppose
[02:29] <skott> i don't see why you'd have problems trusting in a GUI toolkit, though
[02:29] <skott> one question, how are nokia under microsoft?
[02:29] <moylan> how do you feel about mono? :-)
[02:29] <skott> mono?
[02:29] <skott> well
[02:29] <skott> C# isn't an awful language (compared to, say, java)
[02:30] <skott> and gtk for mono (gtk#, i think?) is pretty nice
[02:30] <skott> and i did like banshee a lot a few years ago
[02:30] <moylan> nokia is beholden to ms for cash to keep them afloat for the next few years.  they're ditching symbian.  killed meego.  only winphones from now on.  these will not sell.  so they're going to die and ms will buy the remains
[02:30] <skott> ugh, yes, you're probably right there
[02:30] <moylan> but mono is seen by a lot of the open source community as a trojan and not trusted
[02:31] <skott> ah
[02:31] <skott> i don't know, it seems a bit extremist to me
[02:31] <moylan> ms has wanted to kill symbian since before it existed as psion organisers use to outsell their wince crap
[02:32] <skott> again, i don't see how an open-source implementation of compilers for dotnet can be seen as something that should or should not be "trusted"
[02:32] <moylan> people don't like stallman but the longer they're in the industry the more they realise he's right
[02:32] <skott> stallman is not alright ;_;
[02:32] <skott> i mean, the man is a genius
[02:32] <skott> an absolute genius
[02:32] <skott> just a complete social idiot
[02:32] <moylan> same as most geniuses
[02:33] <skott> heh, i suppose you could say that
[02:33] <skott> he takes it to a whole new level, though
[02:33] <skott> and don't make me link to the foot-eating video :(
[02:33] <moylan> you should follow him on twitter! doesn't post often but they can be fun
[02:33] <skott> ooh, i think i will
[02:33] <skott> i don't use twitter much myself
[02:33] <skott> have you ever seen devops borat?
[02:33] <skott> quite hilarious
[02:34] <moylan> nope
[02:34] <skott> DEVOPS_BORAT DevOps Borat
[02:34] <skott> We have new startup is name Shitly. Mission is we are show you how we are use shit technology so you can able avoid it.
[02:35] <moylan> for tech humour the bofh fills my needs
[02:35] <skott> DEVOPS_BORAT DevOps Borat
[02:35] <skott> In devops we are call bash script of more of 50 line of code "slippery slope".
[02:35] <skott> :')
[02:35] <skott> bofh?
[02:35] <skott> looking it up now
[02:36] <moylan> http://www.theregister.co.uk/odds/bofh/earlier.html
[02:36] <moylan> the really old ones are best
[02:37] <skott> seems funny, but i'm a bit too tired to read so much, i'm afraid
[02:38] <moylan> lots of short stories to throw onto an ereader or phone to read while commuting.
[02:38] <skott> ahh, commuting
[02:39] <moylan> or communing with the porcelain gods
[02:39] <skott> heh!
[02:42] <moylan> there's also the irish linux user group irc.  not on freenode though, i think.  they had a meetup tonight in fleet street.
[02:42] <skott> oh, cool
[02:42] <skott> someone on #tog mentioned a meetup
[02:42] <moylan> lots of crossover between the various groups.
[02:42] <skott> ah, of course
[02:42] <skott> I wonder is there an Irish Arch community
[02:43] <moylan> but i think there was some meetup in tog tonight for some reason
[02:43] <moylan> it'd be pretty small i think
[02:43] <skott> ah, okay
[02:43] <skott> i'd say so too
[02:43] <moylan> you could meetup in a phone box.  it'd be the most action the phone box had seen in years :-D
[02:44] <skott> :D
[02:44] <skott> hahaha
[02:44] <moylan> go to the next ilug meetup and ask.  there might be a few about
[02:44] <moylan> even in irc or on the mailing list
[02:45] <skott> i will do!
[02:48] <moylan> #sixgun is usually busy on a monday evening around 1900 when a show is been recorded live.  off till next year though i think so just back ground noise.
[02:49] <skott> what is it, exactly?
[02:49] <moylan> #tstrs is usually busy most weekdays around 1300 onwards.  some evenings and weekends too.
[02:49] <moylan> #sixgun is the irc channel for linux outlaws podcast.  http://sixgun.org/linuxoutlaws/
[02:50] <skott> oh, cool
[02:51] <moylan> #tdtrs is a uk pocast that is still new and a bit rough but not bad.  http://www.tdtrs.co.uk/
[02:51] <skott> nice :)
[02:51] <moylan> but when sixgun is recording there are usually 100 folk in the channel and it's very busy
[02:52] <skott> nice one!
[02:52] <skott> sounds good
[03:03] <skott> bed time, i think
[03:03] <skott> night!
[03:03] <moylan> cya
[03:03] <skott> nice speaking to you
[03:03] <skott> o/


[02:05] <mso> hi all, can someone point me into the right direction ?
[02:06] <mso> i have a datasoruce "nocloud" that i can (re)run when the machine is up, however, it does not work during boot
[02:07] <mso> the nocloud seed is configured in the cloud.cfg
[02:08] <mso> i am actualy totally lost where to go now, the environment is running ovirt and i am trying to deploy machines through foreman
[07:30] <kol> Hello , where do I make changes in cloud-init  ? I see a cloud-config.txt file , but it is always empty even when i run cloud-init , i'm not able to figure it out :/
[07:30] <kol> or is it like it like i have to edit in etc / cloud . cloud.cfg ?
[13:59] <smoser> kol, you can put config files in /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d or edit /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.
[13:59] <smoser> /var/lib/cloud/instance/cloud-config.txt is written by what is read in from user-data.
[13:59] <smoser> if you've not passed any '#cloud-config' in user-datta, then it will be empty.
[14:08] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: LC_ALL was set to C because that's what it is set to in some clouds (e.g. Azure), and it changes Python's encoding/decoding behaviour.
[14:10] <smoser> hm..
[14:10] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: So I think with your change, the test in http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cloud-init-dev/cloud-init/trunk/revision/1059.1.2 would pass without my fix.
[14:10] <Odd_Bloke> s/the test/the test I added/
[14:10] <smoser> why does encode/decode change?
[14:11] <smoser> is it just that encode() changes ? with no 'utf-8' arg ?
[14:11] <Odd_Bloke> Because Python determines the default encoding it should use from the environment.
[14:11] <Odd_Bloke> (If you don't specify one)
[14:11] <smoser> right. so we should always be specifying one.
[14:11] <smoser> there is lots of slop right now in that respect.
[14:12] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: Agreed; setting LC_ALL=C will help catch places we're assuming that encoding will be UTF-8 when it may actually end up as something else.
[14:13] <smoser> Odd_Bloke, yes, it will . and apparently will also catch places in other code (httpretty)
[14:13] <smoser> which idont want to catch :)
[14:14] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: :)
[14:14] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: Can we pin to an older version of HTTPretty in the meantime, or do we need some of the more recent behaviour?
[14:15] <smoser> 0.8.0 would be fine.
[14:15] <smoser> and we could pin to that.
[14:15] <smoser> (that is what is in vivid)
[14:15] <smoser> at some point in the future, it might be useful to have tox environments that describe versions of dependencies on a particular release
[14:16] <smoser> so i could:
[14:16] <smoser> tox -e trusty-34
[14:16] <smoser> er.. trusty-py34
[14:39] <smoser> hey, strikov
[14:39] <smoser> so yeah, looking at bug 1424900
[14:39] <strikov> hey
[14:39] <smoser> the issue is that python2 made all this magic.
[14:39] <smoser> and we didn't have to think about what might be in content of a read() (whether that be http or file)
[14:39] <smoser> all "just worked"
[14:40] <smoser> but in python3 you have to be much more careful
[14:40] <strikov> correct, you need to know what you read
[14:40] <strikov> because when you read ascii but think that you read utf -- bad things happen
[14:41] <smoser> and the python3 port of cloud-init tried to keep us from having to know such things.
[14:41] <smoser> but unfortunately that just isntt going to work
[14:41] <strikov> well, it treated everything as utf
[14:42] <strikov> basically we don't want t have binary -> string -> binary convertion at all for userdata
[14:42] <strikov> can we read it to binary objject somehow?
[14:43] <strikov> because to me it looks like python-requests converting userdata to utf-8 string
[14:43] <smoser> i think we need to be able to
[14:43] <strikov> when you call it from readurl
[14:43] <smoser> python-requests definitely does support reading binary data
[14:43] <smoser> as i use that for cloud-init
[14:44] <strikov> maybe requests can handle that for us?
[14:44] <smoser> but i think the way we're using it doesnt
[14:44] <smoser> er... above, "as i use that for simplestreams"
[14:44] <strikov> yeah, i got it
[14:45] <strikov> OR we may generate correct utf-8 bitstream on the server
[14:45] <strikov> maybe that's the better way
[14:45] <strikov> because right now (I assume) server generates ascii bitstream
[14:45] <strikov> i.e. raw bytes
[14:46] <strikov> hm, i thought a bit and server-based way seems wrong
[14:55] <strikov> smoser: I wonder why userdata content is marked as text/html on metadata server
[14:56] <strikov> smoser: Not sure, but marking differently may solve the issue
[14:57] <smoser> well, we need to treat it as bytes.
[14:57] <smoser> basically, we need to treat as bytes, and try to uncompress, if that doesnt work, then try to encode as utf-8
[15:00] <strikov> smoser: how about that; read_url returns bytes all the time; we have default translator (http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cloud-init-dev/cloud-init/trunk/view/head:/cloudinit/sources/helpers/openstack.py#L256) which convert data to utf-8 string; userdata is the only field which doesn't use this translator
[15:07] <strikov> smoser: url_helper.py has UrlResponse object; right now it has only contents() method which refers to _response.text of python-requests; we may add raw() method which would refer to _reponse.raw which is a file object
[15:08] <smoser> strikov, right
[15:08] <smoser> strikov, i was investigating that
[15:08] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10409455/
[15:08] <smoser> that is where i was right now
[15:08] <smoser> basically doing raw.read() rather than .text
[15:13] <strikov> smoser: awesome!


[08:14] <sil2100> tseliot: hey! Looking at nvidia-settings SRU for hirsute: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-450-server/+bug/1925522/comments/27
[08:14] <ubot3> Launchpad bug 1925522 in nvidia-settings (Ubuntu Hirsute) "Introduce the 465 driver series, fabric-manager, and libnvidia-nscq" [Medium, In Progress]
[08:36] <sil2100> tseliot: I'll temporarily reject it on these grounds, but in case you say it's all good, please re-upload or poke me to pick it up from rejected
[08:36] <Laney> cjwatson: do you know if anyone's looked into making generate-extra-overrides support -updates properly before?
[08:37] <Laney> we're trying to seed something which got promoted in -updates and AFAICS it's not being picked up because of Task fields lacking
[08:37] <tseliot> sil2100, I'll have a look at it, thanks
[08:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected nvidia-settings [source] (hirsute-proposed) [460.73.01-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[08:39] <cjwatson> Laney: Not as far as I know
[08:39] <cjwatson> Laney: I expect there would be some fun questions of semantics given the immutable release pocket
[08:41] <tseliot> sil2100, can you also have a look at fabric-manager-{450|460} and  libnvidia-nscq-{460|450}, please?
[08:46] <Laney> cjwatson: Indeed, I was only thinking of the leaf packages really
[08:58] <sil2100> tseliot: on it o/
[09:01] <tseliot> thanks
[09:24] <xnox> Laney:  i thought i managed to get updates used in one of the src:*-meta packages when running ./update; and it worked fine. But not in livecd-rootfs. Also I recall people doing hacks and installing packages by hand; on top of things that have Task post release - to "fix" a similar issue.
[09:25] <xnox> i.e. xenial's core started off with a seed, then seed+extra packages and i think eventually was mostly extra packages.
[09:26] <Laney> xnox: this one is the live task, if it was a normal one then you could just upload meta yeah
[09:28] <xnox> for live one, i think we once or twice made ubiquity depend on it =)
[09:28] <xnox> (or any other live package)
[09:28] <Laney> heh yeah
[09:29] <Laney> ubuntu-live-meta!
[09:29] <xnox> that, or fixing it.
[09:29] <xnox> i wouldn't mind ubuntu-live-meta.
[09:30] <sil2100> tseliot: where are those packages btw.?
[09:31] <tseliot> sil2100, they are in NEW, for bionic, focal, groovy, irsute, and impish
[09:32] <sil2100> Ok, I see them in new for impish indeed, but not in hirsute or groovy, hm hm
[09:32] <sil2100> I can take care of impish NEW anyway
[09:50] <tseliot> sil2100, that's because I probably didn't upload them. Let me do that
[09:53] <tseliot> sil2100, also, I have re-uploaded nvidia-settings
[09:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: nvidia-settings (hirsute-proposed/main) [460.56-0ubuntu2 => 460.73.01-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (i386-whitelist, ubuntu-desktop)
[09:57] <tseliot> sil2100, as for fabric-manager and libnvidia-nscq, I'll wait for your review before I upload for all the other series
[10:37] <sil2100> \o/
[10:37] <sil2100> Thanks! I'll do a NEW review round of those a bit later today, will keep you updated
[10:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted nvidia-settings [source] (hirsute-proposed) [460.73.01-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[10:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted nvidia-settings [source] (groovy-proposed) [460.73.01-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[10:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted nvidia-settings [source] (focal-proposed) [460.73.01-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[10:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted nvidia-settings [source] (bionic-proposed) [460.73.01-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
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[11:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected wslu [source] (hirsute-proposed) [3.2.3-0ubuntu2]
[11:06] <tseliot> sil2100, thanks :)
[12:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-bluefield [arm64] (focal-proposed/main) [5.4.0-1012.15] (no packageset)
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[14:43] <sergiodj> vorlon: hey, just an FYI: yesterday I uploaded sssd but didn't set "LP: #1904990" in d/changelog because I was unsure whether that change (remove libgdm-dev from B-D) was enough to address the bug.  in any case sssd is now blocked on excuses because "libpam-sss/i386 has unsatisfiable dependency"
[14:43] <ubot3> Launchpad bug 1904990 in sssd (Ubuntu) "Missing i386 version of libnss-sss" [Undecided, Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1904990
[14:43] <sergiodj> not sure if there's anything else I need to do here (sorry, this whole i386 thing is a bit confusing)
[14:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-bluefield [arm64] (focal-proposed) [5.4.0-1012.15]
[14:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted pam [source] (hirsute-proposed) [1.3.1-5ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[15:04] <vorlon> sergiodj: ok thanks, I'll look
[15:05] <sergiodj> vorlon: thank you
[15:15] <vorlon> sergiodj: it depends on libpam-pwquality; which seems strange, but that should be straightforward to add to the set
[15:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-gke [amd64] (focal-proposed/main) [5.4.0-1044.46] (no packageset)
[15:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-dell300x [amd64] (bionic-proposed/universe) [4.15.0-1019.23] (no packageset)
[15:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted pam [source] (groovy-proposed) [1.3.1-5ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[15:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted pam [source] (focal-proposed) [1.3.1-5ubuntu4.2]
[15:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added libpwquality to i386-whitelist in impish
[15:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted pam [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.1.8-3.6ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[16:04] <sergiodj> vorlon: sorry, was in a meeting.  thanks for following up on the libpwquality thing
[16:28] <vorlon> sergiodj: it's built now, so hopefully no more blockers
[16:28] <sergiodj> vorlon: I'll keep an eye and let you know, but hopefully it will migrate :).  thanks!
[17:00]  * blackboxsw sil2100: hi, we have fixed the riscv64 build failures you saw in reviewing ubuntu-advantage-tools 27.0 on Bionic -> Hirsute. Do you know if you will have time today to look into our SRU upload for release? Or changes in 27.0.2 are only package build d/control changes to ignore building and including our go APT JSON hook binary on riscv64 and powerpc.
[17:01] <blackboxsw> sorry; that's Bionic,Focal,Groovy and Hirsute for ubuntu-advantage-tools 27.0.2.
[17:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: cloud-init (hirsute-proposed/main) [21.1-19-gbad84ad4-0ubuntu3 => 21.2-3-g899bfaa9-0ubuntu2~21.04.1] (core, ubuntu-cloud)
[17:54] <falcojr> sil2100: cloud-init SRU uploads have been queued for Bionic, Focal, Groovy, and Hirsute. Can you review so we can get them into proposed?
[17:58] <bdmurray> falcojr: I'll do that so sil2100 can look at ubuntu-advantage-tools.
[18:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted cloud-init [source] (hirsute-proposed) [21.2-3-g899bfaa9-0ubuntu2~21.04.1]
[18:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted cloud-init [source] (groovy-proposed) [21.2-3-g899bfaa9-0ubuntu2~20.10.1]
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[18:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted cloud-init [source] (bionic-proposed) [21.2-3-g899bfaa9-0ubuntu2~18.04.1]
[18:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-dell300x [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [4.15.0-1019.23]
[18:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-gke [amd64] (focal-proposed) [5.4.0-1044.46]
[18:46] <sergiodj> vorlon: I retriggered the sssd/i386 (using sssd/2.4.0-1ubuntu7) on impish and I'm seeing<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:47] <sergiodj> this whole i386 thing is so frustrating...
[19:03] <vorlon> sergiodj: sergiodj: added a badtest hint for this, we clearly don't care about testing the sssd daemon on i386
[19:03] <sergiodj> vorlon: ack, let me retrigger
[19:03] <vorlon> no need
[19:03] <vorlon> it's a badtest hint
[19:03] <sergiodj> ah, right
[19:03] <sergiodj> sorry
[19:04] <sergiodj> alright then, everything else passed so I think we're golden
[19:04] <vorlon> anyway, we could *possibly* change the test deps to pull in libpam-sssd on both host arch and target arch but meh
[19:04] <sergiodj> I've had my fair share of headaches with this already :)
[20:08] <blackboxsw> looks like sil2100 may not be around this evening. bdmurray, I guess I'll have to tap your shoulder again for another round of SRU release reviews for ubuntu-advantage-tools 27.0.2 Bionic, Focal, Groovy and Hirsute. Only know failure condition that we talked about today was https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-advantage-tools/+bug/1928369
[20:08] <ubot3> Launchpad bug 1928369 in ubuntu-advantage-tools (Ubuntu) "i386 package build failures due to missing golang-1.14-go dependency" [Undecided, Won't Fix]
[20:10]  * blackboxsw We determined with vor_lon that i386 on Focal++ in ua-tools is not a blocker and I've confirmed that ua-tools is not included in minimal-i386 ubuntu-meta on focal and later. We build find on <= Bionic  i386
[20:29] <rbasak> blackboxsw: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2021/05/07/%23ubuntu-devel.html#t16:33 for i386
[20:32]  * blackboxsw ahh awesome rbasak thanks I just sync'd with Steve an hour ago and revisited that too and confirmed closed the above bug. Brian is going through release review now on this I think. I believe we can almost see the finish line here
[21:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-intel [amd64] (focal-proposed/universe) [5.11.0-1003.3+2] (no packageset)
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[01:34] <kekchup> how can I install kubuntu on a second drive within windows 10
[01:34] <kekchup> my usb drives have stuff on them so
[01:35] <kekchup> I cant just make a bootable usb
[06:15] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:14] <Snorghma> hi kubuntu people, what do you all use to make bootable iso's?  I need to make a new usb bootable to put on a laptop using a usb stick.  What software do you all use for this?
[08:16] <diogenes_> Snorghma, etcher.
[08:17] <Snorghma> the ubuntu page suggests Startup Disk Creator but this is 1) gnome and 2) uses an iso 9660 fs which seems to be an issue for me
[08:17] <Snorghma> ok cool thanks
[09:20] <M_aD> Snorghma: if already on Linux then there's also the dd command...
[09:27] <jimtendo> Hi all, was hoping someone may've bumped into this before: I use a Lenovo X1 Carbon and run Kubuntu 19.04. However, I've had long-standing issues with the Compositor if I try to use OpenGL (2.0 or 3.1) in that my desktop becomes very laggy to render anything. Using XRender (which, as I understand, disables many compositing effects and delegates the work to CPU) seems okay. Does anyone have any idea what the cause might be or if there is any fix?
[09:50] <xtavras-M> Hi, I have some strange problem, I've used  nouveau drivers on my laptop, then I wanted to try nvidia, but didn't like it, so I#ve removed them and installed nouveau again, but now I just boot in command line instead. if I login and run "startx" it's working, already reinstalled xserver and kubuntu-desktop, nothing. Kubuntu 18.04.2
[09:59] <xtavras-M> can you help with troubleshooting, I can't se anything bad in Xorg.log and sddm looks fine (see that is starte in journalctl logs)
[10:13] <viewer|74> Buongiorno a tutti: sono nuovo della Community
[10:30] <eh> have Problem with 19.10, plasma not starting
[10:38] <jimtendo> Hi all, I was here a little while ago asking about why I got such bad performance when using OpenGL + Compositing on my Thinkpad. Turns out this was due to the xserver-xorg-video-intel package. There is something in newer Kernels called "modeset" which means this package is no longer necessary for Intel Hardware. The xserver-xorg-video-intel package itself is hardly maintained any more (and should not be used with post-2007 hardware), hence it
[10:38] <jimtendo> basically cripples performance.
[10:42] <eh> back now to 19.04 and no problem to boot
[10:58] <lordievader> Were you actually using the intel xorg driver though? Having both installed the modesetting driver is still preferred.
[11:38] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[14:11] <jimtendo> lordievader: Yes, I was. It looks like the xserver-xorg-video-intel driver will still take precedence.
[14:11] <jimtendo> ... if it is installed.
[14:11] <jimtendo> Things are running very smoothly now.
[14:13] <jimtendo> So good in fact, that I feel like throwing the Macbook I have to use for work in the bin.
[17:08] <Oderus> Hi. Got a new hard drive, and want to put kubuntu back on my system as it was before. Are there any preperations I need to make? E2fsck or fsck before I use the kubuntu installer?
[17:10] <Alabalistic> hi
[17:10] <Oderus> Hello Alabalistic
[17:11] <Alabalistic> You change the drives and you want the exact copy of is ?
[17:11] <Alabalistic> or you want a new install and the same /home
[17:12] <Oderus> While that would be ideal to transfer my stuff over, I am not sure it would be possible with my previous drive having bad sectors.
[17:12] <Alabalistic> I did use a dd to make a copy of my old disk to my new ssd
[17:12] <Alabalistic> Your bad sectors were detected with SMART
[17:13] <Oderus> Yes and i ran e2fsck and fsck on each partition as well
[17:13] <Alabalistic> if so this mean there is no data loss
[17:13] <Alabalistic> is it a Laptop or a PC
[17:13] <Oderus> Desktop
[17:14] <Oderus> Old drive is 1tb, new is 2tb
[17:15] <Alabalistic> I did open the box connect two drives via SATA run a live usb and did dd bs=4M if=/sda1 of=sdb
[17:15] <Alabalistic> and the transfer speed was 100 MB / S, when you do it you still have your old drive as a backup
[17:16] <Alabalistic> next step is to open gparted and expand your partition or make another as you wish
[17:16] <Oderus> Hmmm i am going to pick the new drive up later from the post office, I wonder of it came with a connector
[17:17] <Alabalistic> do you have a CD rom? use his SATA cabel
[17:17] <Oderus> Ohhhhh good idea!!
[17:18] <Alabalistic> before pluging your new drive do a lsblk and check your current state, just do not mix the old with the new doble check
[17:18] <Oderus> What do you mean by do not mix the old with the new
[17:19] <Alabalistic> if you swich your if - input file and of output file, then you gonna write zeros on your old HDD
[17:20] <Alabalistic> do you know the Linux disks sda sdb sdc1
[17:20] <Alabalistic> mmc
[17:20] <Oderus> Ohhhh ok I understand what you mean.
[17:21] <Oderus> Make sure I dont overwrite my old drive with the new one
[17:21] <Alabalistic> yes
[17:22] <Alabalistic> but the speed is great, otherwise with usb cable there is days of waiting, just plug them direct on the motherboard
[17:23] <Alabalistic> dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=4M
[17:23] <Oderus> No I do not want to transfer that much data by usb. Sata is much faster. What does the bs=4M parameter mean
[17:23] <Alabalistic> this is the command if your old hdd is SDA and the new is SDB, but there can be a mix if you put it in the second slot in the mainboard
[17:24] <Oderus> I will make sure i know which is which before copying
[17:25] <Alabalistic> this is the block size, some use 100 some 32 some others
[17:25] <Oderus> Just running e2fsck on a 1tb drive took 20 hours
[17:25] <Alabalistic> its not so clear depends of the size of the files, what I know 4M is kind of default
[17:26] <Oderus> Ah ok
[17:27] <Oderus> I already moved my non operating system data to an external drive so it would just be moving the os, boot, swap, and home partitions
[17:27] <Alabalistic> Oderus, dd is my go to for bootable usb and all sort of things, read man dd in the terminal and use your auto completion tab
[17:27] <Oderus> Ok will do
[17:27] <Alabalistic> If I was you I will do a fresh install
[17:28] <Alabalistic> on the new drive
[17:28] <Oderus> Yes that is probably a better idea
[17:28] <Oderus> Since i backed up my data. I have Kubuntu 19.04 on a bootable usb ready to go
[17:30] <Oderus> Is it safer to make seperate partitions for home, root, and swap? That is what I have done in the past
[17:30] <Oderus> And then another seperate partition for file storage
[17:33] <Alabalistic> Yes I do the same
[17:34] <Alabalistic> if your files are important it is better to keep it under your home dir
[17:34] <Oderus> Ok ty
[17:35] <Alabalistic> and if you have more then one disk in your computer do the swap 50 - 50
[17:35] <Alabalistic> linux use the faster swap file
[17:35] <Oderus> 50% on each drive?
[17:35] <Alabalistic> yes
[17:35] <Oderus> Interesting, okay
[17:35] <eh> is a bug im kubuntu 19.10 ? After boot I have only a black screen with the cursor, No more actions are visable
[17:36] <Oderus> Eh: very possible, its not even in beta yet
[17:38] <eh> I have a nvidia card with nvidia-390. No I am back to 19.04 and all is function excellent
[17:42] <Oderus> Have you tried booting 19.10 with the grub option -nomodeset
[17:43] <Oderus> I heard it comes with nvidia support, but I dont know if that includes whay you have
[17:54] <tomreyn> !19.10
[17:54] <tomreyn> !ubuntu+1
[17:54] <tomreyn> eh: ^
[17:55] <tomreyn> generally, don't expect proprieary drivers to work on pre-alpha releases
[19:19] <tuxine1> Hi
[19:55] <perr-paranoic> Hi, I need help for this issue https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/drsvR2NXZD/ I can't open a old program with new java i suppose...
[20:15] <user|86131> Hello, guys!
[20:20] <Alabalistic> hi
[20:42] <eh> #ubuntu+1
[22:21] <Snorghma> hi all, do you know if it is possible to change the panel bar so that the virtual desktops are in a 2x2 if I had 4 of them rather than a 1x4?


[05:39] <george_e> \quit
[05:39] <george_e> Heh - oops.
[07:20] <blahdeblah> Hi all - is it possible for a subordinate charm to get information about the relations of its parent, and if so, are there any good recent examples of this I can look at?
[12:09] <Icey> hey, is it possible for a charm to be subordinate to two others, basically we want to require either this charm or that one but not both
[12:13] <jamespage> thedac, gnuoy`: basic but functional - https://code.launchpad.net/~james-page/charms/trusty/percona-cluster/status/+merge/273825
[12:14] <gnuoy`> jamespage, fantastic, thanks
[12:14] <jamespage> gnuoy`, gotta love jetlag ;-)
[12:15] <gnuoy`> you having jetlag is certainly working out well for me!
[12:16] <jamespage> lol
[12:28] <jamespage> thedac, re https://code.launchpad.net/~thedac/charms/trusty/neutron-gateway/workgroup-status/+merge/273623
[12:29] <jamespage> commented, tl;dr drop all the status stuff related to db's - its not required and is no-op even if optionally added
[12:29] <jamespage> we need to drop the relations but thats different work imho
[13:18] <mattyw> beisner, ping?
[13:24] <Icey> any idea why changing the lxc default configuration for ip range would break juju with the local provider?
[13:25] <Icey> I changed the bridge IP fof lxcbr0 from <IP_ADDRESS> to <IP_ADDRESS> and now charms hang at Waiting for agent initialization to finish
[13:25] <Icey> wait, I think I missed a config
[14:29] <thedac> jamespage: thanks, I'll get that done.
[14:37] <jamespage> thedac, awesome
[16:42] <thedac> jamespage: gnuoy: For neutron-gateway making neutron-plugin-api required results in blocked even when related. It doesn't seem NeutronAPIContext is "registered" so it doesn show as a complete context. ideas?
[17:09] <kwmonroe> cory_fu: tvansteenburgh:  to sentry a unit in an amulet test, "self.deployment.sentry['tomcat'][0]" is preferred over "self.deployment.sentry.unit['tomcat/0']", right?
[17:09] <cory_fu> Yes
[17:10] <kwmonroe> thx
[17:11] <cory_fu> The latter can fail if the charm has been deployed before in the environment, which can happen with how bundletester runs the tests and resets the environment between files within a charm or bundle test
[17:16] <tvansteenburgh> after a reset, unit numbers *should* start over at 0, although machine numbers won't
[17:17] <tvansteenburgh> even so, not hardcoding unit numbers is best
[18:03] <gnuoy`> thedac, did you solve your neutronapi question?
[18:06] <thedac> gnuoy`: no I have not. Would you have time for a quick hangout?
[18:22] <thedac> gnuoy`: jamespage: when you have a chance https://code.launchpad.net/~thedac/charms/trusty/neutron-gateway/workgroup-status/+merge/273623
[18:50] <jamespage> thedac, looking
[18:50] <thedac> thanks
[18:50] <jamespage> thedac, I thought that NeutronAPIContext was a base class for one of the other contexts for the charm, but it would appear not
[18:55] <jamespage> thedac, its subtle but how about changing NeutronGatewayContext to inherit from NeutronAPIContext
[18:56] <jamespage>         api_settings = NeutronAPIContext()()
[18:56] <thedac> ah, ok, let me test that out.
[18:56] <jamespage> would then become a call to its super calss
[18:57] <thedac> I'll run with that
[18:57] <jamespage> thedac, super(NeutronGatewayContext self).__call__()
[18:57] <jamespage> thedac, I think that is neater
[18:57] <thedac> ok
[21:00] <thedac> jamespage: fyi, the neutron-gateway changes are up.
[21:01] <jamespage> thedac, ack
[21:42] <thedac> Can I get a second opinion on https://code.launchpad.net/~thedac/charms/trusty/hacluster/workload-status/+merge/273889 ?
[21:48] <thedac> coreycb: I merged your heat MP. Looking at the keystone action managed upgrade MP now. Let me know if there are more.
[21:48] <coreycb> thedac, thanks!
[21:48] <coreycb> thedac, I think that's good for now
[21:48] <thedac> cool
[21:52] <jamespage> gnuoy`, thedac: I commented on 2/3 midonet charms and the tintri charm - landed 1 midonet charm
[21:52] <jamespage> thedac, looking at you proposal for neutron-gateway now
[21:52] <thedac> thanks
[21:54] <jamespage> thedac, +1 but I'd like to see an amulet +1 before its landed
[21:54] <thedac> ack
[21:55] <thedac> I ran a single amulet test successfully but waiting for OSCI is a good idea here
[22:27] <coreycb> jamespage, thedac: I pushed updates to swift-proxy
[22:28] <thedac> in the queue
[22:36] <thedac> ls
[22:36] <thedac> irssi should have a check for 'ls' and stop the insanity
[22:48] <thedac> coreycb: lint and unit_test problems with swift-proxy.
[23:04] <blahdeblah> Trying again with my question from yesterday: Is it possible for a subordinate charm to get information about the relations of its parent?  If so, are there any good recent examples of this?
[23:05] <thedac> blahdeblah: I don't *think* so, but I will defer to juju devs
[23:08] <jamespage> blahdeblah, no that's not possible - a sub only knows about its own relations
[23:08] <blahdeblah> Thanks guys - so bottom line is if I want to do that I need to add relations for both the parent and the subordinate.
[23:09] <blahdeblah> ^ s/\.$/?/
[23:13] <thedac> correct. You can pass information back and forth between the primary and subordinate via their relation
[23:32] <jamespage> thedac, ok so what's left on the list?
[23:33] <thedac> https://code.launchpad.net/~thedac/charms/trusty/hacluster/workload-status/+merge/273889
[23:33] <thedac> jamespage: Ihttps://code.launchpad.net/~gnuoy/charms/trusty/cinder-ceph/workloadstatus/+merge/273861
[23:33] <jamespage> thedac, ok looking at hacluster
[23:34] <thedac> I'd like your opinion on the approach in https://code.launchpad.net/~jjo/charms/trusty/swift-proxy/fix-multiple-devices-per-node_lp1479938/+merge/266462
[23:35] <thedac> jamespage: I have to head out for a bit. I will check back in a couple of hours.
[23:37] <thedac> and this one https://code.launchpad.net/~gnuoy/charms/trusty/ceph-radosgw/workloadstatus/+merge/273834
[23:37] <jamespage> thedac, landed hacluster - looked like a good v1 ;-)
[23:37] <thedac> cool
[23:38] <thedac> ok, I'll be back a bit later


[00:54] <bkerensa> ISK: I think you need to go through MOTU process
[01:00] <micahg> ISK: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages
[01:06] <ISK> bkerensa: How to do I do this?
[01:06] <ISK> micahg: I have a launchpad account, and I made 2 packages from a sources of new software that is not part of Ubuntu distro yet.
[01:18] <micahg> ISK: I gave you a link on how to get new packages into Ubuntu if that's what you're asking
[02:55] <bkerensa> micahg: Do you know how to do canned messages with the launchpad greasmonkey script
[02:55] <micahg> bkerensa: install the package from the PPA?
[02:57] <bkerensa> micahg: I have it installed but I'm not sure how to use a canned reply
[02:57] <bkerensa> :D
[02:57] <micahg> bkerensa: click on it?
[02:58] <bkerensa> I think the script is still not working in Precise.... bdmurray had said something about that
[03:02] <bkerensa> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-gm-scripts/+bug/917461
[03:02] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 917461 in launchpad-gm-scripts "stock replies do not work in Precise (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[05:07] <brokenfingers> Can someone please change 164932 to Triaged, Wishlist? Thank you in advance.
[05:10] <micahg> bug 164932
[05:10] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 164932 in vkeybd (Ubuntu) "Suggestion for a new keyboard map" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164932
[05:11] <micahg> brokenfingers: done, thanks
[05:12] <brokenfingers> micahg: Thanks!
[07:11] <brokenfingers> Is 151536 good to triage?
[07:11] <micahg> bug 151536
[07:11] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 151536 in evolution-data-server (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "[MASTER] E-D-S hangs on login and uses 100% cpu (affects: 15) (dups: 6) (heat: 20)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/151536
[07:51] <brokenfingers> bug 817326 can someone change importance of LibreOffice Productivity Suite to Critical?
[07:51] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 817326 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "[Upstream] Previously-saved LibreOffice document lost by power outage (became 0 bytes long) - LibreOffice should call fsync (affects: 13) (heat: 64)" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/817326
[07:57] <micahg> brokenfingers: already is
[07:57] <micahg> brokenfingers: oh, you mean upstream, that's set upstream
[07:58] <brokenfingers> micahg: yah. not LO in ubuntu, the other one
[07:59] <micahg> brokenfingers: no fixable
[07:59] <micahg> *not fixable, it's an enhancement upstream
[08:02] <brokenfingers> oh ok thank you
[10:27] <Wellark> hello! Could someone in bug control set the importance of this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/894340 ?
[10:27] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 894340 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Release Upgrade Fails: depency cycle for libtinfo5/libncurses5 (affects: 3) (heat: 16)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[10:28] <seb128> Wellark, do you get that issue?
[10:28] <Wellark> seb128: yes
[10:28] <Wellark> it's on my primary development machine
[10:29] <seb128> it's being discussed on #ubuntu-devel at the moment
[10:29] <Wellark> ok, joining there
[13:57] <Ursinha> chrisccoulson, why is bug 917317 invalid?
[13:57] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 917317 in firefox (Ubuntu) "Your G&%D#@$ useless sh86ware deleted all of my bookmarks and saved passwords!!!!!!!!!! (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/917317
[13:58] <seb128> lol
[13:58] <chrisccoulson> Ursinha, because I'm not going to waste my time dealing with people who don't even have basic manners ;)
[13:58] <seb128> Ursinha, didn't read the bug but such titles don't help to get anyone reading your bug reports usually
[13:59] <chrisccoulson> and from experience, dealing with them really is a waste of time
[13:59] <Ursinha> I know, but I would at least give the user the canned response about not following the CoC
[13:59] <chrisccoulson> i did mean to do that actually
[14:00] <chrisccoulson> feel free to add that if you want :)
[14:01] <Ursinha> I just really want to not give ppl reason to say "see, they don't care about what we say and blablablabla they invalidated my bug and said nothing blablablabla"
[14:01] <Ursinha> not that it would stop them from doing so
[14:01] <chrisccoulson> sure, but i think most people would appreciate why it's closed :)
[14:01] <Pici> Eech, the bug description is even worse than the title.
[14:01] <hggdh> I certainly do.
[14:02] <Ursinha> but the ball would be in their side of the court ;)
[14:03] <hggdh> the actual border is unknown, but experience has shown that when it starts this way, the *start* is the high point
[14:03] <Ursinha> hggdh, what do you mean?
[14:03] <hggdh> this is the best you can expect from the OP
[14:04] <hggdh> no always, etc, etc, but most times
[14:04] <Ursinha> so you invalidate the bug because it won't be useful?
[14:04] <hggdh> and -- no matter what -- if you cannot keep civilised on an error, there is no discussion possible
[14:06] <Ursinha> I just think we could invalidate the bug being more clear about why, to avoid more flames
[14:06] <hggdh> you invalidate it because of all: (1) aggressive, testosterone-driven behaviour; (2) lack of civility; (3) absolute disregard to others; (4) lack of paragraphs (makes it even more painful for me to follow)
[14:07] <Ursinha> he might have a valid problem, and it's not because of they way it put it it's not a bug
[14:07] <hggdh> Ursinha: if you want to, add a comment about education, civility, respect to others, and the CoC
[14:07] <Ursinha> I agree that if it's not possible to discuss, invalidating it is the way, but with at least the canned response mentioning the CoC
[14:08] <hggdh> go for it, I agree
[14:08] <Ursinha> :)
[14:08] <hggdh> (or I will do it)
[14:09] <Ursinha> hggdh, whatever suits you best :)
[14:09] <hggdh> I will do it
[14:14] <hggdh> done
[14:21] <Ursinha> hggdh, thanks :) will use your comment as canned response next time I find one :)
[14:21] <hggdh> Ursinha: heh
[14:25] <mr_pouit> mmh, "9d9" user on lp changed the status of many bug reports a few hours ago, without explanation..
[14:26] <Ursinha> argh..
[14:26] <Ursinha> mr_pouit, do you have an example? if the user is messing up data, we can talk to launchpad people to have him suspended...
[14:27] <mr_pouit> Bug #191889
[14:27] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 191889 in baltix (and 22 other projects) "[MASTER] [WORKAROUND] "Offline Mode" feature fails to detect proper online state for networks that are managed outside of network manager. (affects: 73) (dups: 17) (heat: 672)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191889
[14:27] <Ursinha> old bug?
[14:27] <Ursinha> what the..
[14:28] <mr_pouit> (and many more, mostly changing statuses bak to incomplete without a comment)
[14:28] <mr_pouit> *back

[14:28] <Ursinha> hm
[14:28] <hggdh> there we go
[14:28] <Ursinha> mr_pouit, I've triaged a bug from this user days ago, it was a valid one
[14:28] <Ursinha> he might be only trying to help
[14:30] <hggdh> Ursinha: still, it goes to what we chatted about: a status change == one more comment
[14:31] <Ursinha> hggdh, no no, I completely agree, I mentioned that because we might want to talk to him prior to blocking his user :)
[14:31] <hggdh> oh yes
[14:31] <hggdh> *always* try a contact before a more hard approach
[14:36] <Ursinha> hggdh, well, unless the user is trying to sell viagra :P
[14:38] <roadmr> "Ubuntu, Viagra, they all sound the same to me" :P
[14:38] <Ursinha> lol
[14:41] <Ursinha> in the firefox bug subject yet, it could be worse, we could start giving such users this: http://chzgifs.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/funny-gifs-than-six-words-appear.gif
[14:42] <hggdh> heh
[14:43] <hggdh> mr_pouit: I emailed 9d9 asking for an explanation. Meanwhile I guess we just suck up to it ;-)
[16:53] <om26er> which package is responsible for low battery dialog?
[16:54] <seb128> what version of ubuntu?
[16:54] <om26er> seb128, precise
[16:55] <seb128> gnome-settings-daemon I guess
[17:03] <wagafo> I think bug #880299  can be nominated for SRU to Ubuntu 11.10, it is now fix released for Precise. I wrote a justification as a comment in the bug.
[17:03] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 880299 in tomboy (Ubuntu Precise) (and 2 other projects) "Tomboy causing delay on logout or shutdown (affects: 54) (dups: 4) (heat: 296)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/880299
[17:05] <micahg> wagafo: are you preparing the fix?
[17:06]  * om26er volunteers
[17:07]  * micahg gives a task then
[17:07] <micahg> done
[17:09] <wagafo> micahg: no, I'm just a newbie triager
[17:12] <htorque> om26er: hi, do you know a duplicate for bug 917522?
[17:12] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 917522 in unity (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "panel doesn't resize when screen changes (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 18)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/917522
[17:13] <om26er> not sure about a duplicate but it embarassed me at a presentation :/
[17:13] <om26er> htorque, its a common issue, i will look for a duplicate
[17:13]  * om26er looking
[17:13] <htorque> i had a compiz restart during the setup for a presentation, hehe.
[17:14] <om26er> that also happened to me last thursday, and wow :p
[17:17] <om26er> htorque, bug 907939 is one example
[17:17] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 907939 in unity (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Unity launcher positioned incorrectly after external monitor detach (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/907939
[17:18] <htorque> same class, different bug :P
[17:18] <htorque> guess that will all be fixed if/when both displays get a launcher
[17:30] <bdmurray> mvo: How does a bug like 917173 get fixed?
[17:33] <Ursinha> bug  917173
[17:33] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 917173 in update-manager (Ubuntu Precise) (and 1 other project) "lucid -> precise upgrade failed: Resolver failed to calculate the upgrade - dpkg-dev held back (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/917173
[20:25] <mvo> bdmurray: hm, puzzling I need to looks at this in detail, but I don't see why apt complaining it looks like libdpkg-perl should be fine to install
[20:27] <mvo> bdmurray: I followed up in the bugreport
[23:32] <Muphrid> hi, i reported a bug and apport said it was a duplicate and linked to a non-existant page
[23:34] <dlentz> Muphrid, what number?
[23:34] <Muphrid> dlentz: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nux/+bug/917930
[23:35] <dlentz> The duplicate bug is marked as private. It should be changed and usually is
[23:36] <Muphrid> ah
[23:36] <Muphrid> ok
[23:37] <dlentz> If it doesn't get changed soon. you can remove the duplicate stauts
[23:38] <Muphrid> ok thanks
[23:38] <dlentz> yw
[23:41] <bdmurray> and if it does get changed you should put your test case in the other bug
[23:45] <bdmurray> Muphrid: there I've made that other one public
[23:47] <Muphrid> bdmurray: link?
[23:47] <bdmurray> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nux/+bug/916088
[23:47] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 916088 in nux (Ubuntu) "compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in nux::GridHLayout::KeyNavIterationRowOrder() (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 18)" [Medium,Confirmed]
[23:48] <Muphrid> ok will add info
[23:58] <bkerensa> bdmurray: Who handles ubiquity?
[23:58] <bkerensa> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/902479
[23:58] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 902479 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "LiveCD Installer Progress/Details Expander Does Not Show Progress (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 14)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[23:58] <micahg> bkerensa: the ubuntu-installer team


[00:03] <jelmer_> thumper: I'm surprised you're seeing errors on subversion.conf rather than Sqlite locking errors
[00:04] <thumper> jelmer_: yeah, no idea really
[00:05] <jelmer_> thumper: anyway, it shouldn't be all that hard to fix, somebody just needs to take a couple of hours and JFDI
[00:05]  * thumper nods
[00:05]  * jelmer_ -> sleep
[06:03] <wgrant> thumper: Why can't you expose IBranchTarget?
[06:03] <wgrant> You can expose an interface without a URL -- the object's URL is used.
[06:11] <wgrant> Oh, unless objects don't really implement IBranchTarget, but adapt to it...
[06:41] <thumper> wgrant: branch targets are adapted to the branch target objects
[09:12] <jtv> danilos: yes, about permissions and flag-stealing policy...
[09:12] <danilos> jtv, go ahead
[09:13] <jtv> Did I remember correctly that the flag-stealing policy (how do I type that "O/+"!?) allows flag-stealing if (1) you're translating upstream or (2) you're translating in Ubuntu but with upstream privileges?
[09:13] <jtv> We documented what the policy does, but didn't go into much detail (tired as we both were after the sprint I guess!) about where it came from.
[09:14] <jtv> So I thought I'd better check.
[09:15] <jtv> The reason I'm checking is that translating Ubuntu with upstream privileges will probably AIUI still produce different effects from translating directly upstream, and I haven't given much thought at all to whether that's what we want.
[09:15] <danilos> jtv, so
[09:15] <danilos> jtv, it comes from "external policy flag" which we assume is set to "prefer upstream" right now
[09:16] <jtv> Plus your privileges, right?
[09:16] <danilos> jtv, plus privileges, of course
[09:17] <jtv> Ah yes, and then as a sort of optional extra in the design we talked about kyleN's scenario where upstream prefers Ubuntu rather than the other way around.
[09:17] <danilos> jtv, right, that bit was kind of symmetric as well except that we don't have a way to set that option yet
[09:17] <jtv> Someday we'll get around to thinking about how close we get to symmetry when you set both, but not today I hope :-)
[09:18] <danilos> "set both"? what do you mean?
[09:18] <jtv> When you make the Ubuntu translations follow upstream and vice versa.
[09:18] <danilos> jtv, so, privileges here have a bigger "weight" if the option to prefer "current context" is set
[09:19] <danilos> jtv, well, that's not really an option because well, you can't prefer ubuntu over upstream and upstream over ubuntu at the same time :)
[09:20] <jtv> Not at the same time, but you could prefer the current context when you're editing Ubuntu and then again prefer the current context when you're working upstream.  :)
[09:20] <jtv> But anyway
[09:21] <danilos> jtv, it'd be nice to investigate if this policy can include translation focus handling, but I'd definitely be a bit worried about that without going through the same exercise we went through in Recife
[09:21] <jtv> The sketch API I pushed Friday expresses the "weight" by passing a boolean for "translator is privileged upstream" to the Ubuntu translation method but not the converse to the upstream one.
[09:21] <jtv> Ah, translation focus, that's the other thing I wanted to ask about.
[09:23] <jtv> I've got some XXX's up on the wiki page.  Today I'm planning to outline how the share-upstream-focus-imports change affects things.
[09:24] <jtv> Unless you have it all figured out already and just need some time to write it down, I'll just update the wiki page and ask for feedback.
[09:25] <bigjools> wgrant: do you have any thoughts on extending the file copy check to binaries?
[09:26] <bigjools> oh and I just spotted where you're sitting :)
[09:26] <jtv> wgrant: duck!
[09:26] <wgrant> bigjools: Where are you? I've tracked down StevenK.
[09:26] <bigjools> you just looked at me
[09:26] <wgrant> Bah.
[09:26] <bigjools> haha
[09:26] <wgrant> It's too dark back there.
[09:27] <StevenK> Bwahaha
[09:27] <bigjools> I can almost hear you laughing StevenK
[09:27] <wgrant> Heh.
[09:27]  * StevenK resolves to not laugh
[09:28] <wgrant> bigjools: I don't think the file copy check is useful there.
[09:28] <bigjools> I mostly agree
[09:28] <wgrant> bigjools: Except for epochs, binaries don't conflict.
[09:28] <wgrant> Only (component)orig tarballs do.
[09:28] <wgrant> (epochs are a concern, but they're evil, so screw them)
[09:28] <bigjools> heh
[09:29] <StevenK> ARGH!
[09:29] <wgrant> Uhoh.
[09:29] <StevenK> HE SAID THE NAUGHTY WORD
[09:29] <wgrant> Heh.
[09:31] <wgrant> bigjools: So, our file data model sucks, and we have lots of bad data in production. What do we do?
[09:31] <bigjools> fix it (tm)
[09:32]  * StevenK tries to make a big destination archive to break copying
[09:32] <wgrant> mozilla-daily?
[09:32] <StevenK> I can't copy into that, though
[09:32] <StevenK> Well, not without hand-waving
[09:32] <bigjools> I just read: StevenK tries to ... break copying
[09:32] <wgrant> INSERT INTO TeamParticipation [...]...
[09:33] <bigjools> or go admin on DF :)
[09:33] <wgrant> That was my intention, yeah.
[09:33] <StevenK> I am wondering if it's a large source archive, or destination archive, or both
[09:34] <wgrant> Destination.
[09:34] <wgrant> The source archive doesn't matter at all.
[09:34] <wgrant> The key metric for the old code is number of SPPHs with the target name in the target archive.
[09:34] <wgrant> For the new code, it's the number of SPPHs in the target archive, but it's encapsulated in a DB query so it's not comparable.
[09:36]  * wgrant vanishes.
[10:04] <mwhudson> so ... why am i getting bucketloads of mail aimed at ~registry
[10:04] <thumper> blame someone on bugs I guess
[10:04] <thumper> I've had to create a mail filter
[10:04] <thumper> X-Launchpad-Message-Rationale contains @registry -> delete
[10:05]  * mwhudson tries to remember how thunderbirds message filters work
[10:16] <bigjools> jml: are you free by any chance?
[10:16] <jml> bigjools, I'm available.
[10:16] <jml> bigjools, as in speech
[10:16] <jml> bigjools, in Pomegranite downstairs.
[10:17] <bigjools> jml: could you spare me some time in Kawi or are you ensconsced down there?
[10:17] <jml> bigjools, sure. in a couple of minutes, poolie is laying out the bzr sprint
[10:17] <bigjools> it's about the sftp server
[10:17] <bigjools> jml: great, thanks
[11:12] <jml> bigjools, https://lpstats.canonical.com/graphs/CodehostingCrowberryConnections/ -- this graph shows the connections to the codehosting ssh server
[11:12] <jml> bigjools, you'll easily be able to see where we added the timeout :)
[11:16] <bigjools> jml: it's not that obvious actually!
[11:16] <jml> bigjools, https://lpstats.canonical.com/graphs/CodehostingCrowberryConnections/20081101/20100511/
[11:17] <bigjools> jml: ok that one is :D
[11:17] <jml> StevenK, what's your email address?
[11:17] <jml> :(
[11:17] <jml> mail server fail
[11:19] <StevenK> jml: stevenk@{ubuntu,canonical}.com ?
[11:20] <jml> bigjools, anyway, one hour timeout seems to work out just fine. I don't remember why it was so big though -- mwhudson might
[13:01] <wgrant> StevenK: Have you actually pushed your latest changes?
[13:01] <wgrant> Also, you should check out how it works on the primary archive .
[13:01] <wgrant> With multiple SHA1s.
[13:01] <StevenK> wgrant: Yes, I have.
[13:02] <StevenK> wgrant: Oh?
[13:02] <wgrant> StevenK: Because there is bad data.
[13:03] <wgrant> And you need to be able to deal with it.
[13:03] <wgrant> (or we need to fix it, but that may be impossible.)
[13:03] <StevenK> Personally, I think we should fix it.
[13:07] <StevenK> wgrant: Right, so we key off the filename, so one of the SHA1s will win.
[13:07] <StevenK> Just thinking about it
[13:08] <wgrant> Yes.
[13:08] <wgrant> I guess we should run a query and find out how much bad data there is.
[13:08] <wgrant> Someone with dogfood access could do that easily.
[14:19] <allenap> sinzui: Hi there. I see that there are 4 identical download links on https://edge.launchpad.net/lazr.config. Is that a known bug?
[14:20] <wgrant> allenap: That's correct. The file has been added four times.
[14:20]  * sinzui looks
[14:21] <allenap> wgrant: Ah, okay. Is that a bug in LP, or just a mistake?
[14:21] <sinzui> allenap, that is not a bug, just incompance
[14:21] <sinzui> ence
[14:21] <wgrant> allenap: A mistake.
[14:21] <sinzui> allenap, I deleted the duplicates
[14:22] <allenap> sinzui, wgrant: Cool :)
[15:29] <mwhudson> oh the irony
[15:29] <mwhudson> jelmer: did you see that the dulwich import is failing?
[15:30] <jelmer> mwhudson: yeah, bzr-git bug I need to fix
[15:42] <jelmer> mwhudson: the wonders of dogfooding ;-)
[15:48] <deryck> gmb, I've volunteered you for something at UDS. :-)
[15:48] <gmb> deryck, Oh gawd.
[15:48] <gmb> deryck, It's not inline upstream dupe searchign is it?
[15:48] <deryck> gmb, it's not, but nothing major.  Just scope and estimate a way to show what external trackers use our plugin(s).
[15:49] <gmb> deryck, Ah, cool.
[16:29] <mars> sinzui, ping, is Edwin around this week?
[16:29] <sinzui> mars, Edwin will be available tomorrow
[16:29] <mars> sinzui, ok, thanks.
[17:44] <wgrant> StevenK: Once you've finished fighting Twisted... did you end up checking what will happen if there are multiple SHA1s? It's probably going to non-deterministically fail. That is probably bad.
[17:45] <jml> StevenK, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jml/launchpad/poppy-sftp


[01:44] <freeflying> ypwong: tried sogou pinyin, some dirs name are in Chinese
[01:44] <freeflying> ypwong: its on purpose?
[01:44] <ypwong> freeflying, yes
[01:44] <ypwong> skin folders
[02:31] <ypwong> JackYu, ping
[02:32] <JackYu> 正在拨。。。