[14:14] <pleia2> PaulW2U: fascinating re: subforum/forum mod settings
[14:16] <PaulW2U> yes, they're still trying to understand how VBulletin's settings can contradict each other
[14:19] <PaulW2U> by the way in my attempt to upgrade Kubuntu 14.10 I decided to switch to Ubuntu for now. I don't like plasma 5
[14:20] <PaulW2U> I still have access to akregator and all my favourite feeds to get links but on another laptop
[14:20] <PaulW2U> so I might be missing a few links from time to time
[14:21] <pleia2> I've certainly heard mixed things about plasma 5, some love, some not so much
[14:22] <pleia2> anyway, thanks, I'll be sure to go through my rss reader on fridays too :)
[14:22]  * ahoneybun loves it when it work well
[14:24] <ahoneybun> XD
[14:25] <PaulW2U> I thought about downgrading to Kubuntu 14.04 but at some point I need to move on. May be back to Xubuntu but too much going on etc :)
[14:25] <ahoneybun> part of it might be hardware issues and how early Plasma 5 is
[14:26] <PaulW2U> ahoneybun: I think you're right as my tests on my cheap laptop were fine
[14:26]  * ahoneybun is on wily right now
[14:26] <PaulW2U> but on my regular machine it was horrible and I say that as a Kubuntu user since 11.04
[14:27] <ahoneybun> yea...
[14:27] <ahoneybun> Plasma 5 is amazing to look at and work (when it works right)
[14:41] <pleia2> btw re: insights.ubuntu.com claiming "Welcome to the home of all Ubuntu news, articles, tutorials, e-books and everything else in-between." - I'm following up
[14:41] <pleia2> I'm not impressed with this marginalization of our work, so that's been passed along
[14:46] <PaulW2U> *all* Ubuntu news? May be all Ubuntu news from a Canonical perspective...
[14:47] <pleia2> PaulW2U: hence my grumpiness
[14:50] <pleia2> sometimes it feels like I'm playing whack-a-mole on ubuntu.com things x_x
 May be all future issues should just include a link to insights.ubuntu.com </sarcasm>
[14:52] <pleia2> we include ubuntu.com/news which redirects there
[14:53] <pleia2> under "Additional Ubuntu News"
[14:53] <pleia2> (fridge is there too)
[14:58] <PaulW2U> Talking of links, I noticed https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Ideas - last idea added over two years ago
[14:58] <PaulW2U> Page history suggests no real activity on this page since 2010
[14:59]  * pleia2 nods
[14:59] <pleia2> not so many ideas
[14:59] <PaulW2U> I'm assuming you're subscribed to the page :)
[15:00] <pleia2> yeah, I'm subscribed to UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/*
[15:01] <pleia2> whether I actually get all the emails is another matter, but I'm sure moinmoin tries :)
[15:01] <pleia2> UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/.*
[15:01] <pleia2> ^^ that's the subscription line I have in my Notification preferences
[15:16] <PaulW2U> "Ideas for UWN?" page updated and email triggered to those subscribed


[03:36] <TheMuso> What Qt API should I be looking at if I want to get the name for the application using the qml plugin I am writing? i.e the qml bindings I am writing to connect to a service, and an app name needs to be supplied.
[07:13] <mzanetti> TheMuso: QApplication
[07:13] <mzanetti> (I guess)
[07:28] <TheMuso> mzanetti: I was thinking that was the case, but wanted to be sure, given I am writing C++ code to provide qml bindings.
[07:37] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: ping
[07:57] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: hey
[07:57] <mzanetti> TheMuso: so? what's the problem with QApplication?
[07:57] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: can you read alan's comments at https://codereview.qt-project.org/#change,60535 and maybe answer?
[07:57] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: on it
[07:58] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: if it helps you qquickitemview.cpp has
[07:58] <tsdgeos> /###Possibly rename these properties, since they are very useful even without a highlight?
[07:58] <tsdgeos> qreal QQuickItemView::preferredHighlightBegin() const
[07:59] <tsdgeos> also i am not sure if parts of his comment are against the logic of the qml or the logic of the patch :_/
[07:59] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: I don't understand what he means
[08:00] <tsdgeos> " That test case looks suspicious, because it's not setting a highlightRangeMode yet is setting preferredHighlightRange." ?
[08:00] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: ? where is that?
[08:00] <tsdgeos> previous comment
[08:00] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: I mean this one "I just tested it, and if you remove the preferredHighlightBegin/End then it works correctly. Which means that it's a bit of an invalid usecase, but also that the above logic is broken for the NoHighlightRange case."
[08:00] <tsdgeos> expand the other comment
[08:02] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: you can add highlightRangeMode: ListView.ApplyRange. That's what I do in the launcher. However, as it does not affect the issue in any way I left it away in the as-simple-as-possible example to reproduce it
[08:03] <tsdgeos> ok
[08:03] <tsdgeos> tbh i don't understand the rest of his comments either
[08:03] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: should I describe my use case as a comment here?
[08:05] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: it may help
[08:10] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: is it a good idea if I +1 it?
[08:11] <tsdgeos> not really sure
[08:17] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: commented.
[08:17] <tsdgeos> tx
[08:17] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: i'd leave the +1 for "i do understand the code and like it"
[08:17] <tsdgeos> otherwise it may seem we are a doing as a "gang push"
[08:18] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: which kinda is the case for me... but still... the "gang push" is what concerns me
[08:19] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: he suggested to remove the preferredHighlightBegin/End (aka disable snapping), right?
[08:20] <tsdgeos> well, he said "the bug" doesn't happen without the preferredHighlightBegin/End
[08:20] <tsdgeos> yes
[08:20] <tsdgeos> problem is preferredHighlightBegin/End is a bad name i find
[08:20] <tsdgeos> as the comment in the file says
[08:20] <mzanetti> agreed. should be snapPositionBegin/End
[08:21] <mzanetti> or something along that
[08:21] <mzanetti> actually, this use case happens always if you want to have something like a CoverFlow with snapping in the middle
[08:54] <dednick> tsdgeos, mzanetti, MacSlow, Saviq: anyone available to do a quick device test for me?
[08:54] <MacSlow> dednick, sorry... in the middle of ap-testing for notifications
[08:55] <MacSlow> dednick, I can do it afterwards... what do you need to have checked?
[08:55] <MacSlow> dednick, does the installed image matter?
[08:56] <dednick> MacSlow: testing if sound indicator updating volume for apps. dont know if image matters.
[08:56] <tsdgeos> dednick: i have the unity-mir stuff, would take me quite a while to go back
[08:57] <tsdgeos> better if someone can do
[08:57] <dednick> MacSlow: after a fresh flash the volume will be affected, but as soon as i restart phone, it stops changing.
[08:57] <tsdgeos> someone *else* that is :D
[08:57] <dednick> tsdgeos: no worries.
[09:00] <larsu> dednick: good morning. I have a first version of indicator-messages that uses an indicator file at lp:~larsu/indicator-messages/phablet-port-indicator-ng
[09:00] <mzanetti> dednick: can help you I guess
[09:00] <larsu> dednick: it's not thoroughly tested yet, but you can give it a spin if you're up for it
[09:00] <dednick> larsu: \o/ . will give it a go today
[09:00] <larsu> dednick: (I'll be on a train for the rest of the day)
[09:01] <dednick> larsu: i've made some more updates to qmenumodel. added impl for 'action name' and 'update state'.
[09:02] <dednick> larsu: although i didnt know how you were handing changes to the gtkmenu area. i realise it's from another project...
[09:02] <dednick> larsu: https://code.launchpad.net/~nick-dedekind/qmenumodel/add-menumenumodel.action-name.update-state
[09:03] <larsu> dednick: neat! Can you MR them onto my branch? I'll be at guadec, so I probably won't be online a lot.
[09:03] <dednick> larsu: ok. no prob
[09:03] <larsu> dednick: cool, talk to you later. Gotta catch a train :)
[09:08] <dednick> mzanetti: cool. do you have the video scope assets on your device?
[09:08] <mzanetti> dednick: the demo asses, yes
[09:09] <dednick> mzanetti: you mind checking if changing the volume in the indicator updates the volume of the video?
[09:10] <mzanetti> dednick: do I need todays image?
[09:10] <dednick> mzanetti: nope
[09:11] <mzanetti> dednick: dammit. just realized I only have the scopes fake data (aka the video covers) but not the video itself. gimme a minute and I'll install
[09:11] <dednick> mzanetti: ok. thanks.
[09:12] <mzanetti> dednick: I did another test which tells me it won't work for the videos
[09:12] <mzanetti> dednick: I logged in and ran "alsamixer". Changing the indicators volume does change the alsamixer's sliders
[09:13] <mhr3> sil2100, any success on lucene++? pls brief jamesh ^
[09:13] <dednick> mzanetti: it shouldn't?
[09:13] <mzanetti> dednick: d'oh! "... does NOT change the alsamixer's sliders"
[09:13] <mzanetti> dednick: yes, it should I'd say
[09:13] <dednick> mzanetti: :) haha. ok
[09:13] <sil2100> mhr3, jamesh: yes, I built the package locally and in my PPA, just need to tweak it a bit
[09:14] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: does my reply to the snapping patch make sense to you?
[09:14]  * mzanetti reads
[09:14] <dednick> mzanetti: presumably you've restarted your device since you last flahed?
[09:14] <mzanetti> dednick: a 100 times when testing the SIM pin :D
[09:14] <jamesh> sil2100: there was some packaging in the hollywood-team/staging PPA, if that helps
[09:14] <dednick> mzanetti: ok thanks. confirms my suspicions.
[09:15] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: yep. makes sense to me
[09:15] <tsdgeos> okki
[09:15] <Saviq> dednick, mzanetti does the video preview work for you at all?
[09:15] <dednick> Saviq: sometimes
[09:15] <mhr3> sil2100, cool, jamesh do you think we could get lucene and the scanner built in an arm-enabled ppa so we could check things on the phone?
[09:15] <mzanetti> Saviq: dunno. still don't have a video. just tested with alsamixer
[09:18] <dednick> Saviq: it's a bit hit and miss. sometimes get a white page, sometimes black, sometimes works
[09:18] <mzanetti> is unity8 always running on ~20% cpu on the desktop for you too?
[09:18] <Saviq> dednick, that's on device?
[09:18] <dednick> Saviq: ya
[09:18] <Saviq> dednick, to me it looks like carousel is broken, grid is fine
[09:19] <dednick> Saviq: oh, you mean the video selection widget?
[09:19] <Saviq> dednick, in Video apps
[09:19] <dednick> Saviq: that seems to be ok for me.
[09:19] <Saviq> s/apps/dash/
[09:19] <dednick> Saviq: although i might be using mock video
[09:19] <Saviq> dednick, yeah, that's what I mean
[09:20] <dednick> Saviq: it's fine. I thought you meant the mediaplayer-app.
[09:20] <Saviq> dednick, mock video scope previews for carousel are broken
[09:21] <dednick> Saviq: that's how i've been testing my sound issues.
[09:21] <Saviq> dednick, which version?
[09:21] <Saviq> dednick, yeah, that's what I wanted, too ;)
[09:21] <dednick> Saviq: latest
[09:21] <Saviq> dednick, but the previews for my carousel are broken ;)
[09:22] <dednick> Saviq: doh.
[09:22] <dednick> Saviq: what does it show?
[09:23] <Saviq> dednick, an empty shape and stars
[09:24] <Saviq> dednick, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5932127/ is the console output
[09:24] <Saviq> paulliu, ↑
[09:25] <Saviq> dednick, found it :/
[09:26] <Saviq> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5932135/
[09:26] <Saviq> mhr3, ↑ your fault again ;P
[09:26] <dednick> lol
[09:27] <dednick> wonder why mine is working
[09:27] <dednick> ah. maybe that isnt in image?
[09:28] <mhr3> Saviq, stop using those mocks! :P
[09:28] <Saviq> mhr3, supply me with matching backends!
[09:28] <mhr3> ehm, touche
[09:28] <dednick> holy crap. my nexus7 spazed out
[09:29] <dednick> doesnt want to flash :(
[09:29] <Saviq> dednick, if you didn't flash with --pending, then you're on a 0727 image
[09:29] <Saviq> 0726
[09:29] <dednick> Saviq: is that a bad thing?
[09:30] <Saviq> dednick, we generally should be running --pending
[09:30] <Saviq> dednick, to be on the edge
[09:30] <dednick> lol. the 'danger zone'
[09:30] <Saviq> dednick, mzanetti https://code.launchpad.net/~saviq/unity8/fix-mock-videopreview/+merge/177777 please
[09:30] <Saviq> nice merge number ;)
[09:31] <dednick> heh
[09:34] <mhr3> Saviq, are we ok with being unable to close apps once we have a "proper" running apps scope?
[09:34] <mhr3> Saviq, or will you keep a hack in the renderer?
[09:37] <tsdgeos> Saviq: did you give the branches i posted yesterday a try?
[09:38] <dednick> Saviq: we using pulse on device now?
[09:39] <tsdgeos> dednick: we've always been using pulse as far as i know
[09:40] <dednick> Saviq, tsdgeos: any idea why there is a phablet-team ppa for pusleaudio?
[09:40] <tsdgeos> last time i checked there was some small extra patch there
[09:40] <tsdgeos> don't really remember what it was about
[09:40] <dednick> tsdgeos: ok
[11:12] <tsdgeos> MacSlow: you guys need a copyright header in https://code.launchpad.net/~macslow/unity8/notification-autopilot-tests-dbus/+merge/177780
[11:19] <Cimi> seb128, ping :)
[11:19] <seb128> Cimi, hey
[11:20] <Cimi> seb128, I'm writing the welcome wizard for the phone, I'm wondering how can I fetch the list of the locales
[11:20] <seb128> Cimi, look at the language panel in system settings
[11:21] <Cimi> ok
[11:21] <Cimi> seb128, lp?
[11:21] <seb128> Cimi: lp:ubuntu-system-settings plugins/language/language-plugin.cpp getLocales()
[11:34] <Cimi> seb128, thanks
[11:34] <Cimi> seb128, saw it
[11:34] <seb128> Cimi, yw
[11:34] <Cimi> seb128, you think I could import it?
[11:34] <Cimi> seb128, it sucks to duplicate code
[11:34] <seb128> Cimi, I'm not sure what are the best practices in qml there...
[11:34] <seb128> but it would make sense to share the code yes
[11:34] <Cimi> seb128, if the plugin is locally installed
[11:34] <seb128> not sure how though
[11:34] <Cimi> seb128, might import it
[11:35] <seb128> it's in a private dir, so not sure if you can import it easily (out of hardcoding the path to it)
[11:36] <seb128> ideally we would have e.g indicator-keyboard-service to publish that list over gmenu or something
[11:36] <tsdgeos> Saviq: are we having the "UnityNext team product review" hangout today with kgunn or shall we just do the usual stand-up
[11:37] <Saviq> tsdgeos, usual ,we're in with Jane at that time
[11:37] <tsdgeos> oka
[11:46] <Cimi> seb128, but I need to set this in the welcome wizard
[11:47] <Cimi> seb128, we have wifi, location setting, username and language
[11:47] <Cimi> seb128, would be great to have set them without duplicating code
[11:47] <seb128> Cimi, that seems quite some common work with system setting/indicators
[11:47] <Cimi> exactly
[11:47] <seb128> the idea so far was to have the indicator backends to provide those features
[11:47] <seb128> through gmenumodel
[11:47] <Cimi> who knows here?
[11:47] <Cimi> larsu / dednick ?
[11:47] <seb128> and use unitymenumodel
[11:47] <seb128> to do the qt UIs
[11:48] <seb128> yes
[11:48] <seb128> larsu is in a train today, travelling to GUADEC
[11:48] <seb128> so dednick
[11:48] <dednick> yo
[11:49] <dednick> oh. that was a statement.
[11:50] <dednick> Cimi: what is the welcome wizard?
[11:50] <dednick> Cimi: intial device setup?
[11:50] <Cimi> dednick, yes
[11:53] <bregma> soooo, all the ibus-related failures in the Unity 7 daily were expected, in case anyone was wondering....
[11:54] <dednick> Cimi: right. not really sure how that would work, but i guess it would need to be fed by settings. Not sure we can rely on indicators as i'm not sure it's a 1-1 relationship between indicators and settings.
[11:55] <Cimi> I can do mock now
[11:55] <Cimi> waiting for a model...
[11:56] <seb128> bregma, the fixes are ready waiting to land as well? ;-)
[11:57] <seb128> dednick, well, the idea was that the indicators would have a settings profil
[11:57] <seb128> Cimi, dednick: they can also have a wizard profile
[11:57] <seb128> we already have profiles for desktop, phone, greeter, installer
[11:58] <bregma> seb128, I'll be checking with brandon when he comes in, but he warned me there would be a slew of ibus failures in todays build -- I am assuming it has to do with dependency change sequencing or something
[11:58] <dednick> seb128: i c
[11:59] <dednick> just trying to think of the best way to mock it.
[11:59] <bregma> seb128, yes, the problem is the new ibus 1.5 went in to the archive but the required Nux patches are still in review
[12:02] <dednick> Cimi: you could probably get away with forgetting the mock for now and just using the current profiles for testing.
[12:02] <Cimi> dednick, some code I should have a look at?
[12:03] <dednick> Cimi: otherwise you're going to essentially need to create a mock indicator and have indicator files for them. which may not be a bad idea for testing purposes to be honest
[12:03] <dednick> Cimi: if you want to mock, easiest approach may be to use vala to generate the code.
[12:04] <Cimi> dednick, yep but which code shall I mock?
[12:04] <Cimi> dednick, unity?
[12:04] <dednick> Cimi: but if you want to use the current indicator profiles, the ui code to pick them up and process is all in plugins/Unity/Indicators
[12:04] <Cimi> ok
[12:05] <Cimi> dednick, might need to import this plugin from the external welcomewizard
[12:05] <Cimi> unless we want the welcome wizard to be part of unity
[12:05] <dednick> Cimi: the indicator backends are separate projects
[12:07] <dednick> Cimi: hm. should be able to import the qml library ok...
[12:08] <dednick> Cimi: you can probably use all the page code as well.
[12:13] <dednick> Cimi: will need some modifications to be able to load different profiles. at the moment it's hardcoded to load phone.
[12:17]  * Cimi <--- lunch
[12:49] <mzanetti> Saviq: we're not having the hangout today, do we?
[12:49] <Saviq> mzanetti, no
[13:17] <seb128> bregma, do you know if there is a bug/known issue about launcher emblems showing only on one monitor?
[13:17] <seb128> bregma, e.g the tb badge for new emails
[13:50] <dandrader> mzanetti, there's a nuisance with your bzr plugin: it runs in any bzr repository, not just unity8
[13:51] <bregma> seb128, sounds vaguely familiar but I can't seem to be able to find the bug
[14:03] <mzanetti> dandrader: huh? I throught that should be fixed
[14:04] <mzanetti> dandrader: it checks if there is a Shell.qml in the repositories root
[14:05] <dandrader> mzanetti, ahhh... that's because my minimal test case does have a Shell.qml in its root dir :D
[14:05] <mzanetti> heh
[14:06] <mzanetti> dandrader: the thing is, bzr repository branches can have any name and any origin. so its not possible to check on those either
[14:06] <mzanetti> I know that checking for Shell.qml is not really nice
[14:09] <mzanetti> seb128: ping
[14:10] <seb128> mzanetti, hey
[14:10] <mzanetti> seb128: how far are you with the SIM pin stuff?
[14:10] <mzanetti> seb128: did you already check out the ofono api?
[14:10] <sil2100> mhr3_: hi! I pushed the latest version of lucene++ for building and updated the needs-packaging bug with all the required links to branches
[14:11] <sil2100> mhr3_: so now just for some MOTU guys to review
[14:11] <seb128> mzanetti, kenvandine has been looking at the SIM stuff so far (he did the SIM services yesterday), I don't think anyone started on the pin
[14:11] <sil2100> mhr3_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1036812
[14:11] <seb128> mzanetti, no, I didn't yet
[14:11] <seb128> mzanetti, why?
[14:11] <mzanetti> seb128: for some reason it the amount of available pin retries does not work
[14:11] <sil2100> mhr3_: I'll have some of my guys do a quick packaging review as well before that
[14:11] <mzanetti> seb128: while I'm sure my SIM card suports it, calling this: qdbus --system --literal org.ofono /ril_0 org.ofono.SimManager.GetProperties
[14:11] <mzanetti> seb128: just returns an empty list
[14:13] <kenvandine> i haven't looked at SIM pin stuff at all, mine doesn't use a pin
[14:13] <kenvandine> but libofono-qt does have an API for unlock/lock
[14:35] <dandrader> found a leak!
[14:35] <dandrader> in Dash/Video/VideoInfo.qml
[14:35] <dandrader> remove it and memory stops growing
[14:35] <dandrader> now gotta find why
[14:37] <tsdgeos> XmlListModel ?
[14:38] <tsdgeos> seems like it probably has lots of C++ code behind :D
[14:39] <dandrader> tsdgeos, yeah, it must be this component
[14:58] <mzanetti> MacSlow: the script is executable?
[14:58] <MacSlow> mzanetti, yes
[14:59] <MacSlow> mzanetti, that's wrong?!
[14:59] <mzanetti> no... that would be correct
[15:00] <MacSlow> mzanetti, hm... but there's a hashbang line in it
[15:00] <MacSlow> mzanetti, maybe that's causing the issue?
[15:01] <mzanetti> which one is it?
[15:03] <MacSlow> mzanetti, "#!/usr/bin/env python" is used in create_interactive_notification.py although that's not were the error is reported
[15:04] <mzanetti> MacSlow: hmm... still weird... try changing it to /usr/bin/python
[15:05] <mzanetti> MacSlow: but it I don't think this is it
[15:07] <mzanetti> MacSlow: ~macslow/unity8/notification-autopilot-tests/ ?
[15:07] <MacSlow> mzanetti, no lp:~macslow/unity8/notification-autopilot-tests-dbus
[15:10] <mzanetti> MacSlow: oh... its the setsid
[15:11] <mzanetti> MacSlow: is there a reason its required?
[15:11] <MacSlow> mzanetti, yeah... like mentioned in the email... is it a permission-issue on jenkins? Do we need to enable something to make this work?
[15:13] <tsdgeos> hmmm
[15:14]  * tsdgeos realizes the "AddressBook" app is trying to do something like the LVPWH
[15:14] <MacSlow> mzanetti, not really... tests work without it... but they seem to take longer to start
[15:14] <tsdgeos> and it's obviously failing
[15:14] <tsdgeos> since we failed at it too in QML :D
[15:14] <MacSlow> mzanetti, but I could just imagine this taking more time
[15:14] <mzanetti> MacSlow: try it without it please. if that doesn't work we can enable stuff in jenkins
[15:14] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: tell renato
[15:16] <mzanetti> that was close... I entered "sudo reboot" and only the password not being "phablet" protected me from rebooting my notebook instead of the phone
[15:16] <tsdgeos> :D
[15:16] <MacSlow> mzanetti, seems to work (locally) without that culprit line... I'll delete it can re-commit/push
[15:16] <mzanetti> MacSlow: ack
[15:50] <sil2100> pstolowski: hi!
[15:50] <pstolowski> sil2100: hey!
[15:50] <sil2100> pstolowski: you know if mhr3 will still be around today?
[15:51] <pstolowski> sil2100: he won't, he is attending guadec
[15:51] <pstolowski> sil2100: he has few days off, but he may show up from time to time on irc
[15:51] <sil2100> Ah, ok :)
[15:52] <sil2100> pstolowski: thanks!
[15:52] <sil2100> jamesh: hi!
[15:52] <pstolowski> sil2100: yw
[15:57] <jamesh> sil2100: hi.
[15:58] <jamesh> I was just about to head off to bed, but if it's something quick, I'm here :)
[15:58] <sil2100> jamesh: I remember mhr3 saying that you're interested in lucene++ in Ubuntu? ;)
[15:58] <jamesh> sil2100: I'm interested in getting the Media scanner in Ubuntu, and lucene++ is a dependency
[15:59] <sil2100> jamesh: are there any specific tests you would like to run to see if the lucene++ that we're proposing to Ubuntu works?
[15:59] <sil2100> jamesh: since I prepared lucene++ packaging, basing on work of Openismus and kenvandine's, and kenvandine will probably sponsor it today to universe
[16:01] <pstolowski> sil2100, jamesh: I think it should go to main?
[16:02] <kenvandine> pstolowski, if something in main will depend on it, then we'll need to get an MIR done
[16:02] <kenvandine> but first step is universe
[16:02] <sil2100> pstolowski: we can get it into main later
[16:02] <jamesh> sil2100: The only testing I've been doing of lucene++ was building and running mediascanner, but that there are a few patches not in trunk before it'll build on Saucy
[16:02] <sil2100> pstolowski: first universe, then MIR to main if needed
[16:02] <sil2100> jamesh: ok
[16:02] <sil2100> jamesh: then we'll get what we have into Ubuntu
[16:03] <jamesh> I think we'll want this in main eventually, since it'll be going on the phone if everything goes to plan
[16:05] <pstolowski> kenvandine, sil2100: I see, sounds good, thanks
[16:14] <Saviq> dandrader, hey, since it's your last day, can you post an update on anything you've found about bug #1201116?
[16:14] <Saviq> dandrader, the CPU issue seems to be more pressing than mem, too
[16:14] <dandrader> Saviq, sure. I'm just trimming my test case to a bare minimum
[16:15] <dandrader> Saviq, did you report a separate bug on the CPU issue?
[16:15] <Saviq> dandrader, no, it's the same bug
[16:15] <Saviq> dandrader, ah, you wanted to separate it out
[16:15] <dandrader> Saviq, well, not anymore, I've renamed it :)
[16:15] <dandrader> Saviq, and you told there you would report one. stand by your word! :)
[16:16] <Saviq> dandrader, ;P
[16:16] <dandrader> it's shame we don't have bug dependencies in launchpad...
[16:18] <Saviq> dandrader, bug #1206991 ;)
[16:18] <pete-woods> seb128: unfortunately that patch has no effect when applied to the hg files in the ubuntu package - the package build doesn't regenerate the generate files
[16:18] <pete-woods> *generated
[16:19] <pete-woods> either we need to make the debuild build generate the .cc files, or we need to patch the .cc files directly
[16:26] <pete-woods> seb128: I have an updated patch that patches the .cc files if you want it?
[16:26] <seb128> pete-woods, otp, but yes please
[16:36] <dandrader> Saviq, bug updated
[16:38] <pete-woods> seb128: whenever you are ready, I put the patch against this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glibmm2.4/+bug/1206997 :)
[16:39] <seb128> pete-woods, thanks
[16:39] <Saviq> dandrader, thanks, and talk to you in a month! ;)
[16:40] <Saviq> dandrader, hmm... no comment in bug #1206991 ?
[16:49] <Saviq> dednick, hey, can you give me a small update on what do we still need to transition to indicator-network?
[16:50] <Saviq> dednick, one thing I'm not clear on is will we still have/use the same password page?
[16:53] <dednick> Saviq: i dont think it's finished yet.
[16:53] <dednick> Saviq: and i dont think we will need the password page after it is.
[16:53] <dednick> tedg: ^
[16:55] <tedg> pete-woods, ^
[16:55] <tedg> :-)
[17:00] <dednick> Saviq: : isnt this enter password dialog we need the same as the extended snap descisions MacSlow is working on?
[17:01] <pete-woods> tedg: I don't know the answer to this
[17:01] <Saviq> dednick, I think not, we need both an in-indicator way and an out-of-indicator way
[17:01] <Saviq> dednick, i.e. when you select a network in the indicator, you log in in the indicator
[17:02] <dednick> Saviq: i thought it was a dialog popup
[17:02] <Saviq> dednick, you only get the snap decision if you get disconnected or password changes etc.
[17:02] <Saviq> dednick, do we have design for it?
[17:02] <pete-woods> the question I care about is should the network-indicator be pinging unity for a password prompt?
[17:03] <pete-woods> or should unity just be a "secret agent" (as it it currently) that naturally gets asked by the network manager for credentials?
[17:03] <tedg> Saviq, That's not part of the design now, no in indicator way.
[17:04] <Saviq> tedg, so no password entry in indicator?
[17:04] <tedg> Saviq, Yes
[17:04] <Saviq> dednick, ok ↑
[17:04] <tedg> So I think Unity shouldn't be a secret agent.
[17:04] <Saviq> +1
[17:05] <pete-woods> so should there be a single secret agent? whose only job is to ask unity to pop up snap decisions?
[17:05] <Saviq> tedg, pete-woods, something (network-indicator I'd say?) will request a password-entry snap decision
[17:05] <Saviq> I believe nm-applet did it until now?
[17:05] <dednick> tedg: so how do you connect with password? dialog?
[17:05] <Saviq> dednick, yeah, snap decision
[17:05] <tedg> Saviq, I thought we wanted to use the system dialog stuff instead of snap decision?
[17:05] <dednick> ok. thought so
[17:06] <Saviq> dednick, let's not use "dialog" - we got bitten by it anyway
[17:06] <Saviq> tedg, it *is* a snap decision
[17:06] <Saviq> tedg, there is no system dialogs
[17:06] <Saviq> tedg, there are only snap decisions
[17:06] <tedg> The problem is that the buttons need to be interactive.  i.e., the button isn't sensitive until the right number of characters is entered.
[17:06] <dednick> so is pete-woods and MacSlow doing the same thing then?
[17:06] <Saviq> tedg, that's why we're going for a snap decision with a side-channel through *MenuModel
[17:07] <tedg> Saviq, AH, I didn't realize.  Where is that?
[17:07] <pete-woods> dednick: I'm doing nothing to do with the GUI, I'm putting together a daemon that asks unity for a snap decision with a list of the wifi networks
[17:07] <dednick> in the ether
[17:07] <Saviq> tedg, in MacSlow's plans ;)
[17:07] <dednick> pete-woods: ah. ok
[17:07] <Saviq> tedg, he's investigationg it now
[17:07] <Saviq> -o
[17:07] <Saviq> or really starting to implement itnow
[17:08] <Saviq> pete-woods, same thing should probably ask for the password
[17:08] <dednick> Saviq: ok, so there's your status. we can display the networks but cannot connect from indicators. So we can't replace for awhile i guess.
[17:09] <pete-woods> tedg: atm there's indicator-network and indicator-network-prompt, both of which will need to ask unity for a snap decision regarding passwords
[17:09] <Saviq> dednick, yeah, hopefully this won't take long
[17:09] <Saviq> gtg o/
[17:09] <pete-woods> tedg: does it make sense to have a common thing that is the secret agent?
[17:09] <tedg> pete-woods, ?  What is indicator-network-prompt?
[17:10] <pete-woods> it's what I'm temporarily calling the new thing you asked me to make
[17:10] <pete-woods> tedg: it can be called whatever you want really?
[17:10] <tedg> Let's call it Jennifer!
[17:10] <tedg> ;-)
[17:10] <pete-woods> :)
[17:11] <tedg> Ah, okay.  I didn't realize
[17:11] <tedg> I guess I figured the prompt thing would be something that indicator-network would call, and also that nm would call.
[17:11] <pete-woods> tedg: I just don't want to have lots of places that implement the secret agent, really
[17:11] <tedg> Kinda the hub
[17:11] <tedg> Why does indicator-network-service need to do a snapdecision?
[17:12] <pete-woods> well, if unity isn't going to be an agent any more, something needs to do the snap decision for the credentials//
[17:12] <tedg> Wouldn't that be indicator-network-prompt?
[17:13] <pete-woods> but what about when then user picks a network?
[17:13] <pete-woods> I thought the prompt daemon was supposed to be short-lived
[17:13] <tedg> So indicator-network-service would say "NM Choose this one" and then NM goes all "but I don't have a password, secret agent!" and then that, like, starts the prompt utility.
[17:14]  * tedg isn't sure if you can do a valley accent in IRC
[17:14] <pete-woods> :p
[17:14] <pete-woods> does nm actually start agents? I thought they had to be running and already registered?
[17:16] <tedg> I'm not sure on that.
[17:16] <pete-woods> I was kinda expecting there to be a really tiny agent managed by upstart
[17:16] <tedg> I thought they had to be registered in the system, not at runtime.
[17:16] <pete-woods> who lived throughout the session
[17:17] <tedg> If it has to be running throughout the session it probably makes sense to just put it in indicator-network-service.
[17:17] <tedg> I for some reason thought that you couldn't "just register" as then anything could do it.
[17:18] <pete-woods> tedg: there's actually a stub of one on there - maybe alberto was working on it before he left?
[17:18] <pete-woods> tedg: best docs I can find on agents so far: https://projects.gnome.org/NetworkManager/developers/api/09/ref-migrating.html
[17:19] <pete-woods> tedg: it looks to me like it's 'just' some dbus calls? but then those docs could be out of date / misleading
[17:20] <tedg> Yeah, it just seems to easy for someone to create a phantom service if that's the case.  But perhaps it is.
[17:20] <pete-woods> tedg: yep - I'd agree with you there - evil app X could fill in all my password prompts for me with garbage
[17:22] <tedg> pete-woods, Hmm, yeah, it seems like that's the case.  A bit scary.
[17:22] <pete-woods> tedg: yep, anyway - I've gotta go now, but hopefully this will tick over in your brain tonight :)
[17:23] <tedg> pete-woods, Yup, have a good night.  Could you also ping MacSlow in the morning?
[17:23] <pete-woods> tedg: sure!
[17:23] <tedg> pete-woods, See where he is there.  Perhaps there's something we can get started with.
[17:23] <pete-woods> tedg: hopefully!
[21:51] <TheMuso> mzanetti: Nothing, I'm still new to Qt, and I thought our platform had something that I should have used.


[06:53] <alkisg> Hi, in http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/devel/main/uefi/ I can find grubx64.efi/vmlinuz and others, but not shimx64.efi, that would allow me to secure boot them.
[06:53] <alkisg> Is there any URL to download shimx64.efi, other than https://packages.ubuntu.com/disco/amd64/shim/download ?
[07:00] <rbasak> What's wrong with the shim package?
[07:00] <rbasak> That's where shimx64.efi is shipped.
[07:00] <rbasak> What's the problem you're trying to solve?
[07:05] <alkisg> rbasak: I assume that those grub*.efi files are directly linkable for people that want to netboot their machines etc; but I can't secure-netboot without the shim package
[07:06] <alkisg> Specifically, I'm trying to create an uefi-boot.sh script, that will automate the creation of an uefi-boot.zip file, that windows users will be able to unzip into their EFI partitions,...
[07:06] <alkisg> ...to do: UEFI > shim > grub > netboot/local boot
[07:07] <rbasak> I see. I don't know then, sorry.
[07:07] <alkisg> No worries, thank you
[07:08] <alkisg> A related question, is Ubuntu's shim the same as Fedora's shim? Or are they 2 different packages with the same name and with the same purpose? I got confused while searching for their upstreams...
[07:22] <rbasak> https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shim/tree/debian/watch?h=applied/ubuntu/devel
[07:23] <rbasak> The upstream is https://github.com/mjg59/shim
[07:23] <rbasak> According to the watch file at least.
[07:24] <alkisg> ...which is 301 commits behind rhboot:master, according to github
[07:24] <alkisg> https://github.com/rhboot/shim/
[07:26] <alkisg> I think the watch file isn't up to date
[07:35] <rbasak> https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shim/tree/debian/changelog?h=applied/ubuntu/devel suggests commit 3beb971 was used. Can you find which upstream repositories include that?
[07:42] <alkisg> Sure, it's there: https://github.com/rhboot/shim/commit/3beb971b10659cf78144ddc5eeea83501384440c
[07:43] <alkisg> rhboot is "Red Hat Bootloader Team"
[07:45] <alkisg> I think Ubuntu ended up using shim from Fedora; I'm not sure if that means that an UEFI user can have both Ubuntu and Fedora in his system.
[07:46] <alkisg> I.e. if Ubuntu's shimx64.efi is loaded, that would prohibit loading Fedora's grub; and the opposite. Unless, Canonical and Redhat agreed to include both Canonical and Redhat keys in shim...
[07:51]  * alkisg only sees canonical-uefi-ca.der and debian-uefi-ca.der in the debian/ folder...
[07:55] <alkisg> Refind seems to include common distro keys... https://sourceforge.net/p/refind/code/ci/master/tree/keys/
[08:09] <alkisg> OK, I found great documentation at https://www.rodsbooks.com/efi-bootloaders/secureboot.html#using_signed
[08:21] <xnox> rbasak, alkisg - well ubuntu shim is different from upstream.
[08:22] <alkisg> xnox: I'm having an issue with Ubuntu's shim, and upstream says it's fixed since 2017, but the fix isn't there in disco. How much different?
[08:22] <xnox> alkisg, you can use ubuntu's shim + ubuntu's grub to boot non-ubuntu systems
[08:22] <xnox> alkisg, open a bug report in launchpad, aginst the shim package
[08:22] <alkisg> xnox: how? Say for example I want to boot ipxe.efi with secure boot enabled. I don't see any way for it.
[08:23] <alkisg> xnox: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shim/+bug/1813541
[08:23] <xnox> alkisg, for starters we compile and get microsoft to sign our build of shim =)
[08:23] <alkisg> I got that part; what I don't understand is how it's possible to load another distro then, using the ubuntu shim
[08:24] <alkisg> From what I read so far, only if the grub ubuntu build contained all the distro keys, it would be possible to load other distros
[08:24] <xnox> alkisg, you mention it is fixed upstream.... can you paste the links to upstream git commits? (whatever you think the upstream is)
[08:25] <alkisg> xnox: this is my upstream bug report, the fix is mentioned in the last comments: https://github.com/rhboot/shim/issues/165
[08:25] <alkisg> Specifically, it's this commit from 2017: https://github.com/rhboot/shim/commit/5f4fd5364109c80934b7837255ddde61f572fd69
[08:26] <xnox> alkisg, ..... comment on the launchpad bug pointers to upstream commit ids
[08:26] <xnox> alkisg, cause you didn't mention these there....
[08:26] <alkisg> I think the fix is already included in disco, just not working
[08:26] <alkisg> You're saying shim is different, do you mean that for some reason it would omit commits from 2017?
[08:26] <xnox> alkisg, please comment the urls nonetheless, please
[08:26] <alkisg> Sure, np there
[08:27] <alkisg> Could you please explain this? (10:23:56 πμ) alkisg: I got that part; what I don't understand is how it's possible to load another distro then, using the ubuntu shim
[08:27] <alkisg> Let's suppose I want to load Ubuntu's ipxe.efi, with secure boot enabled. Currently I can't do it.
[08:27] <alkisg> UEFI > shim > grub > ipxe.efi
[08:28] <alkisg> Grub refuses to load it
[08:28] <xnox> alkisg, i haven't done that using ipxe, i have done secureboot booting of other systems locally (dual boot)
[08:28] <alkisg> How?
[08:28] <alkisg> Did you add the keys to the firmware using mokmanager?
[08:33] <alkisg> For completeness, this is my report for grub-ipxe/uefi, where vorlon mentioned it won't be possible with secure boot:
[08:33] <alkisg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ipxe/+bug/1811496
[08:34] <alkisg> (and I wonder why it's not possible to just sign ipxe.efi in the same way as vmlinuz is signed, with the canonical key, not the microsoft key)
[08:51] <alkisg> Btw, to ensure I'm not misunderstood, what I mainly care about is to allow users to netboot ubuntu; ipxe is extremely convenient there in most of the cases but it currently doesn't work under uefi (a one liner change) nor with secureboot (harder to fix)
[10:11] <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd/+bug/1814355
[10:11] <seb128> that seems a potential problem in the LTS due a SRU release on friday
[10:12] <seb128> !SRU
[10:12] <seb128> unsure what's the tag to ping peoples
[11:21] <tumbleweed> Laney: you suggested a bileto for bootstrapping, but I think I need some permissions for that?
[11:21] <tumbleweed> https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3625 didn't get given a PPA
[15:37] <ahasenack> Skuggen: hi, do you know if {my_,}load_defaults is gone from mysql8? I'm checking net-snmp and it looks like it's using mysql_options() as a replacement of some sort
[15:54] <ahasenack> infinity: hi, do you remember this apache2 patch? https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apache2/tree/debian/patches/086_svn_cross_compiles
[15:54] <ahasenack> infinity: I see it applied in apache trunk, but it never made it into a release
[15:54] <ahasenack> infinity: what was it trying to fix, and is that still relevant?
[15:55] <ahasenack> it still applies, but with more and more offset everytime, and is part of our delta with debian
[19:21] <vorlon> alkisg: it is /possible/ to sign the ipxe uefi binary.  But we're not /going/ to, because it increases exposure of our key to use it to sign more code, and we haven't audited this code and don't intend to
[19:23] <alkisg> vorlon: thank you for that input. Ubuntu users lack a way to netboot with secure boot enabled currently; it would help; but ok, at least I have an official answer for them, "not supported; disable secure boot".
[19:24] <vorlon> alkisg: we do publish a secureboot-signed grubnetx64.efi for use with netbooting
[19:24] <alkisg> At least, if grub and shim get fixed for proxydhcp, it'll be possible to use the uefi stack, for some users
[19:24] <alkisg> It doesn't work with proxydhcp
[19:24] <vorlon> right
[19:24] <vorlon> so that's a bug we'll fix in our supported netboot stack
[19:25] <alkisg> I filed 2 bug reports, both for shim and grub; hopefully they'll be addressed some time in the future
[19:26] <alkisg> You saw the one for shim, this is the upstream one for grub: https://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/index.php?55636
[19:28] <alkisg> vorlon: did I understand correctly that it's not possible to dual boot ubuntu/fedora with secure boot enabled, without using mokmanager etc?
[19:29] <alkisg> I.e. that the canonical shim>grub stack doesn't contain the fedora kernel public keys, and visa-versa?
[19:29] <alkisg> (I'm not using fedora at all; just trying to see if I understood the secure boot process correctly...)
[22:24] <vorlon> alkisg: it is certainly possible to dual boot ubuntu and other OSes without using mokmanager; you could chain from Ubuntu's GRUB to a Fedora shim signed by MS, or you could use the EFI boot menu to select.  You could not directly chain from Ubuntu GRUB to a Fedora kernel or to a Fedora GRUB.


[01:31] <steev> why doesn't packages.ubuntu.com show armhf/armel packages anymore?
[03:39] <infinity> steev: It's not an official resource, but you could mail the address at the bottom of the page and ask him.
[03:40] <infinity> steev: You're generally better off using "rmadison" (from ubuntu-dev-tools) from an Ubuntu system, or checking launchpad (http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/<sourcepackage>) for the info.
[03:42] <steev> infinity: oh I didn't realize it wasn't official. I'll check launchpad :)


[02:36] <bregma> ret2libc, try checking ~/.cache/upstart/application-legacy-webbrowser-app-.log* to see if there are any clues
[09:28] <ret2libc> bregma: last error present in that file is "layer_tree_host_impl.cc(2206) Forcing zero-copy tile initialization as worker context is missing
[09:30] <ret2libc> http://paste.ubuntu.com/18017044/


[03:15] <TheLordOfTime> is there a maximum bit strength for ssh keys that launchpad accepts?
[03:15]  * TheLordOfTime has to upload a new system's ssh keys to there, and is trying to ascertain the maximum strength he can make the key to
[03:16] <StevenK> That's up to the keyserver, since LP will just pull from it.
[03:16] <TheLordOfTime> StevenK:  that's PGP keys
[03:16] <StevenK> 4096R still seems like the best choice
[03:16] <TheLordOfTime> i was asking about SSH key.
[03:16] <TheLordOfTime> or do they end up in the same place?
[03:16] <StevenK> TheLordOfTime: True. I should learn to read at some point.
[03:16] <TheLordOfTime> :P
[03:17] <TheLordOfTime> i *never* make PGP keys with less bitstrength than 4096
[03:17] <TheLordOfTime> i'm a tad overkill with my SSH key bit strengths though...
[03:17]  * TheLordOfTime has previously created 8192-bit-strength keys, but only as a proof that strong keys can be made on legacy systems
[03:18] <TheLordOfTime> s/keys/ssh keys/
[03:18] <StevenK> sshkey.keytext is type text, which unlimited
[03:18] <StevenK> So it depends on what twisted will support, I guess
[03:22] <TheLordOfTime> well i was able to upload the overkill-strength key...
[03:26] <TheLordOfTime> question: any way to confirm that its using the key?
[03:27] <hyperair> ssh -vvv
[03:27] <StevenK> sftp bazaar.launchpad.net ?
[03:27] <hyperair> it took a rather interestingly long time to generate a 16384 bit key. heheh.
[03:28] <TheLordOfTime> ssh -vvv to bazaar.launchpad.net with my lp username showed its using the right key :P
[03:28] <TheLordOfTime> hyperair:  i can't seem to generate a 16384, perhaps NotEnoughRAM?
[03:28] <TheLordOfTime> or NotEnoughCPU?
[03:28] <TheLordOfTime> regardless, 8192's in the range of 'overkill' anyways
[03:29] <hyperair> yes it is
[03:29] <hyperair> heheh
[03:29] <hyperair> TheLordOfTime: what happens when you try to generate a 16384 one?
[03:30] <TheLordOfTime> hyperair:  i don't do commandline generation - seahorse is the tool i use for fast-create
[03:30] <hyperair> ah.
[03:30] <TheLordOfTime> hyperair:  give me the command line option, after my 4096R PGP key is done generating, i'll tell you :P
[03:30] <hyperair> maybe seahorse just doesn't know it's possible.
[03:30] <hyperair> ssh-keygen -b 16384 -f /path/to/key_file
[03:30] <TheLordOfTime> holy crap all my CPU is eaten by PGP primegen o.O
[03:31] <hyperair> i don't recall 4096R taking much time to generate...
[03:31] <hyperair> what CPU are you running on?
[03:31] <TheLordOfTime> 4 year old machine
[03:31] <TheLordOfTime> that about sum it up?
[03:31] <TheLordOfTime> :/
[03:32] <hyperair> core 2 duo?
[03:32] <hyperair> i generated my 4096 key on a 4 year old laptop
[03:32] <hyperair> it was pretty quick
[03:32] <StevenK> I was about to ask
[03:32] <StevenK> Conroe, at a guess?
[03:32] <StevenK> Wolfdale, perhaps. My last desktop was a Wolfdale
[03:33]  * hyperair shrugs. no idea what mine was
[03:33] <TheLordOfTime> its done generating, i think mine was a core 2 duo
[03:33] <TheLordOfTime> but this is a laptop so...
[03:33]  * TheLordOfTime shrugs
[03:33] <hyperair> Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     T5750  @ 2.00GHz
[03:33] <hyperair> so says /proc/cpuinfo
[03:34] <StevenK> ARK maps that to Merom
[03:34] <hyperair> TheLordOfTime: mine was a laptop too.
[03:34] <TheLordOfTime> Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     T9550  @ 2.66GHz
[03:35] <StevenK> Merom was the first mobile Core, so same as Conroe
[03:35] <TheLordOfTime> hyperair:  i don't think seahorse is configured to use anything greater than 8192
[03:35] <TheLordOfTime> because anything beyond that is liek "WTFH ARE YOU DOING?"
[03:35] <TheLordOfTime> normal SSH users won't need such strong keys
[03:35] <StevenK> T9550 is Penryn, the successor to Merom
[03:35]  * TheLordOfTime is generating a 16384 anyways
[03:36] <TheLordOfTime> :O
[03:36] <TheLordOfTime> IT FINISHED
[03:45] <TheLordOfTime> hyperair:  the 16384 is now my LP key :P
[03:45]  * TheLordOfTime is twistedly oversecure with his systems :P
[03:55] <hyperair> TheLordOfTime: haha nice.
[03:55] <hyperair> TheLordOfTime: now just wait for the quantum computer to come along and blow all your keys away. ;-)
[04:47] <TheLordOfTime> once that comes along, i'll  bring it to its knees making make a<PHONE_NUMBER>9999-bite-strength key :P
[04:47] <TheLordOfTime> byte*
[04:47] <TheLordOfTime> hyperair:  ^
[04:48] <hyperair> heh
[04:48] <StevenK> Which will have no bearing on how long a quantum computer will take to factor it
[04:48] <TheLordOfTime> StevenK:  :P
[05:41] <gnomefreak> is there a way to fix typos in a posted comment?
[05:41] <gnomefreak> on bug reports
[05:42] <StevenK> There's an edit link, top right of the comment box
[05:42] <StevenK> Looks like a blank line (supposedly a pencil) in a yellow circle
[05:42] <gnomefreak> StevenK: thanks
[05:45] <gnomefreak> StevenK: i dont see anything like that on ,y latest comment. thi sis on bug 11111117
[05:45] <StevenK> Are you sure, given that error? :-)
[05:45] <gnomefreak> StevenK: i dont see anything like that on ,y latest comment. thi sis on bug 1111117
[05:46] <gnomefreak> ah thats better
[05:46] <StevenK> Bug 11 million sounds terrible
[05:46] <gnomefreak> too many 1s for me to count
[05:46] <gnomefreak> yep it does
[05:46] <StevenK> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/seahorse/+bug/1111117/comments/2 doesn't show an edit link?
[05:47] <gnomefreak> i got to that page but i see nothihng about edit
[05:47] <gnomefreak> i can only highlight the word no backspace no right click options
[05:47] <wgrant> StevenK: It's not possible to edit comments, just descriptions.
[05:47] <StevenK> Aww
[05:48] <gnomefreak> thanks wgrant
[05:49] <gnomefreak> new comment worked
[05:50]  * gnomefreak cant recall the other bugs
[05:50] <gnomefreak> brb smoke and think
[05:50] <gnomefreak> win 1
[13:28] <MarzEz> World's biggest noob here, I can't work out how to download binaries.
[13:29] <MarzEz> Any advice on how to do so?
[13:35] <MarzEz> Eh, I got given another link that worked,.
[14:09] <bugbrains1> how to upload packages built on a different system
[14:10] <bugbrains1> i had source.changes files built on ubuntu 12.04 LTS
[14:10] <bugbrains1> i had it signed automatically
[14:10] <bugbrains1> but unfortunately my system doesnt have external ftp/ssh
[14:10] <bugbrains1> i am behind a proxty
[14:10] <bugbrains1> *proxy
[14:11] <bugbrains1> i also had access to a server where i copied all source.chnages
[14:11] <bugbrains1> but uploading using dput gives me this error
[14:11] <bugbrains1> gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found
[14:11] <bugbrains1> any clue?
[14:11] <bugbrains1> it says it cant find the key
[14:12] <bugbrains1> can i import my key to another system
[14:12] <bugbrains1> or sign it again
[14:27] <fabricio> hi
[14:27] <fabricio> BluesKaj?
[14:27] <fabricio> sure.. you help-me here
[14:28] <fabricio> what format of file send?
[14:28] <fabricio> which*
[14:31] <fabricio> someone
[14:31] <fabricio> can help?
[14:32] <fabricio> sending my project to launchpad, what file format send?
[14:34] <mgz> fabricio: please read https://help.launchpad.net/ for the basics
[14:34] <mgz> bugbrains1: you can indeed import your gpg key on another system, see the man page
[14:35] <bugbrains1> mgz: i imported the key
[14:35] <bugbrains1> how to add it to secret key list
[14:59] <shadeslayer> wgrant: any news regarding that qemu update on LP?
[15:05] <fabricio> hi
[15:08] <czajkowski> shadeslayer: he doesnt come on till very late in the EU he's in au
[15:12] <shadeslayer> czajkowski: that's fine, he can get back to me when he has time :)
[15:13] <shadeslayer> I'm +5.30 ... so probably not too long from now
[15:13] <shadeslayer> if there's a ticket that I can follow, that'd be awesomer
[15:14] <czajkowski> not sure tbh
[15:16] <shadeslayer> ok :)
[17:16] <glen> is there way to setup some kind of hooks (post some data to some http url, etc), when somebody pushes to my trunk?
[17:17] <glen> something like github has dozens of dozens of Service Hooks
[17:56] <james_w> glen: unfortunately not
[21:37] <wgrant> shadeslayer: None, unfortunately.
[23:12] <mwhudson> can i deactivate a project i maintain?
[23:12] <wgrant> no
[23:12] <czajkowski> mwhudson: nope but I can
[23:12] <mwhudson> ok
[23:12] <mwhudson> i'll ask a question with the projects at some point then
[23:12] <czajkowski> cool


[07:17] <EoflaOE> Good morning everyone
[07:19] <EoflaOE> And hello Bashing-om
[07:21] <Bashing-om> EoflaOE: Still here .. but not much longer .. 'bout played out :P
[07:22] <guiverc> G'day EoflaOE
[07:22] <EoflaOE> Bashing-om: And so I have morning and you have night.
[07:22] <EoflaOE> Good day to you guiverc
[07:24] <Bashing-om> EoflaOE: I have lasted the night through ..is now 02:24 :)
[07:25] <EoflaOE> Bashing-om: OK, and I have 10:25 AM
[07:25] <guiverc> :)   Good day sounds too formal; when I saw G'day it's with the aussie slang/drawl (all words strung together without any gaps..)
[07:27] <EoflaOE> guiverc: OK.
[07:27] <Bashing-om> guiverc: And I do it with a hill billy twang :P
[07:28] <guiverc> :)
[07:48] <Bashing-om> Laters guys \o
[20:46] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: The GPD MicroPC in 3 Minutes [Video Review] @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?p=151664 (by Joey Sneddon)


[00:46] <wileee> oh yes, removing grub is always a great idea
[00:47] <wileee> heh
[00:47] <TJ-> Yes, it is, I do it routinely. Only one install needs to control the boot-loader, else there are all sorts of problems with the OSs each trying to rewrite it
[00:48] <wileee> matter of personal use, never had a problem with usually 3 linux install same HD
[00:49] <JanC> grub should be able to manage that itself instead  :)
[00:49] <wileee> a new person, not so good, not criticizing any help just that decision
[00:49] <TJ-> If you have custom config for grub, then you'd have to replicate it across all the OSes, and any changes in those OS grub policies could causes issues
[00:50] <wileee> Actually a new user may be better, I just load the mbr from the os that needs grub at the moment, like a kernel update
[00:50] <wileee> no custom here is all
[00:51] <TJ-> I'd hate to have multiple OSs trying to control grub, it'd make my systems unbootable
[00:53] <daftykins> i have a machine with lightning-fried USB and i no longer own a PS/2 keyboard, i can't interact with the boot menus at all 8D
[00:53] <wileee> probably the only place besides helping I'm ocd enough tyo not have issues, heh, not been diagnosed after much time spent with a clinical psych. ;)
[00:54] <wileee> I just wondered if they might be gpt, efi...etc, even with just arch
[00:57] <JanC> daftykins: you can get truckloads full of PS/2 keyboards for free  ;)
[00:58] <daftykins> hahaha
[00:59] <TJ-> Or get the soldering iron out and fix that USB!
[00:59] <daftykins> nah, power is there but the controllers got murdered
[01:00] <JanC> there are also PS/2 <-> converters  ;)
[01:00] <JanC> PS/2 <-> USB
[01:02] <daftykins> oh i'm aware, worked in this industry for quite some time
[01:03] <daftykins> but it's an old core 2 quad build so besides be used as a victim for windows 10 testing a while back it doesn't do much
[01:03] <JanC> heh, that's still quite useful hardware
[01:04] <daftykins> my own desktop is already that, so i don't need two :>
[03:12] <tintedwindows> does anybody have a good reference where i can learn how to see all the open ports on my comp?
[03:12] <cfhowlett> wafflejock: Pulp Fiction mode required: chill the frack
[03:12] <cfhowlett> tintedwindows, run !ports      in the #ubuntu
[07:56] <ObrienDave> *waves*
[07:57] <EriC^^> hey ObrienDave
[07:57] <ObrienDave> having fun in #U? ;P
[07:57] <EriC^^> yeah :D
[07:57] <ObrienDave> LOL
[08:21] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:22] <ObrienDave> o/
[08:22] <lordievader> Hey ObrienDave, how are you doing?
[08:23] <ObrienDave> good lordievader, and you?
[08:23] <lordievader> Waking up, making coffee.
[08:23] <ObrienDave> getting ready for bed. having beer ;P
[08:24] <ObrienDave> oops, had beer ;P
[08:24] <lordievader> You can allways have another ;)
[08:24] <cfhowlett> ObrienDave, a user admonished me for - wait for it - being snarky!
[08:24] <ObrienDave> don't have any more :(
[08:25] <ObrienDave> you????? heaven forbid ;P
[08:25] <cfhowlett> I know, right?  Incredible.
[08:25] <ObrienDave> what's the world coming to.... ;P
[08:26] <tintedwindows> pretty soon, theyll have us on no sleep and redbull energy drinks
[08:26] <ObrienDave> was it last night when someone got mad at me for something someone else said?
[08:26] <ObrienDave> night before? LOL
[08:27] <tintedwindows> isnt that every nigt
[08:27] <lordievader> lol
[08:27] <ObrienDave> tintedwindows, seems like it LOL
[08:27] <tintedwindows> lol
[08:28] <ObrienDave> i think cfhowlett and i trade places every night LMAO
[08:28] <cfhowlett> hey if no one complains, you're doing it wrong.
[08:28] <ObrienDave> ^5
[08:30] <ObrienDave> i have enough trouble in my life. getting kick/baned from #U would put me over the edge ;P
[08:31] <ObrienDave> it's pretty bad when i have an OP in #xubuntu on my /ignore list LOL
[08:32] <cfhowlett> whaaaaaaaaaa?
[08:32] <ObrienDave> knome. grrrrrr
[08:33] <cfhowlett> now now.  kiss and make up
[08:34] <ObrienDave> never. rassin' frassin jerk ;P
[08:36] <ObrienDave> that's one guy who really needs a windectomy ;P
[08:51] <ObrienDave> sleepy time *waves*
[11:46] <OerHeks> Yes No Yes
[16:03]  * daftykins rejoins for a giggle
[16:03] <EriC^^> :D
[16:04] <OerHeks> just too late, you missed zetheroo
[16:04] <daftykins> uhoh that nick rings a bell
[16:07] <daftykins> wonder if that earl guy even booted as EFI
[16:12] <EriC^^> almost had a chrootception going on
[16:12] <EriC^^> :D
[16:19] <daftykins> XD
[16:19] <daftykins> best call the pizza delivery boys and the firemen in
[16:29] <daftykins> i quite like 'apt' instead of apt-get, but the trouble is you can't autoremove with it and you can't clean with it - so you end up needing both still anyway
[16:29] <daftykins> the man page is particularly useless
[16:29] <OerHeks> first time i used full-upgrade
[16:29] <OerHeks> confusing, apt <> apt-get
[16:31] <daftykins> yip
[16:31] <daftykins> i'd been using dist-upgrade still with apt
[16:31] <daftykins> they're probably linked
[16:32] <TJ-> apt is the user front-end to apt-get
[16:32] <TJ-> apt full-upgrade is equivalent to apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:43] <daftykins> drat, go to put the second new tire on the bike and the inner tube bursts in several places
[18:43] <daftykins> got a spare but it says 1.5/2.2" tires max, my new on is 2.35"
[18:46] <EriC^^> that sucks
[18:47] <daftykins> s/on/one/
[18:49] <EriC^^> this guy is so lucky, nobody ever has an option to switch the order in the bios, and his install wouldn't have worked out any other way (i can think of)
[18:49] <daftykins> what kind of order? when seeing multiple EFIs?
[18:50] <EriC^^> yeah he can change the order of which efi files to boot
[18:50] <EriC^^> his bios is hard coded as it is most of the time to boot windows, but from the bios he can choose to override it
[18:51] <daftykins> hrmm
[18:52] <daftykins> my encounters with EFI kit are always fleeting, but i manage to get what i need to done when i do come up against them
[18:52] <daftykins> all my own kit is pretty old
[18:54] <EriC^^> seems i spoke too soon
[18:54] <daftykins> :<
[21:36] <daftykins> there be crazy brewin'
[21:58] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/601z06isymtw755/IMG_20150806_225243.jpg?dl=0
[21:58] <daftykins> that thing is looking pretty mean now


[12:19] <shiv> any bibus users here?
[12:26] <cbx333> ping HedgeMage
[12:33] <Laser_away> shiv: not really, I know what it is and that's about it
[12:33] <shiv> Laser_away: thants okay
[12:33] <shiv> I was curious
[12:37] <cbx333> you heard the news
[12:38] <cbx333> :(
[12:38] <cbx333> i can't believe it
[12:45] <Laser_away> mhm
[12:48] <cbx333> hi jono
[12:49] <jono> hey :)
[12:49] <cbx333> i can't believe he's gone
[12:49] <cbx333> lilo was always so helpful and kind
[12:50] <jono> lilo is gone?
[12:50] <jono> oh my god, lilo is dead?
[12:51] <cbx333> when i read digg, "lilo is dead"
[12:51] <cbx333> i thort they meantbthe bootloadr
[12:51] <cbx333> jono yes
[12:51] <cbx333> hit by a car whilst on his bike
[12:51] <cbx333> on the 12th
[12:52] <cbx333> died earlier today, after being in a coma
[12:52] <cbx333> rumor of hit and run
[12:54] <cbx333> i still can't believe it
[12:56] <cbx333> nn all your thoughts and prayers to debbie and ben, his wife and son
[01:03] <Solaris444> what the hell... lilo is dead...
[01:03] <Solaris444> That isn't right *shakes head*
[01:34] <HesNikke> hiya
[01:34] <HesNikke> would edubuntu be a good distro to put on my 7 year old nephews 5 year old POS dell?
[01:34] <HesNikke> or should i go with xubunutu
[01:35] <Amaranth> How much RAM does it have?
[01:35] <HesNikke> not much
[01:36] <HesNikke> i wanna say 32 megs or 64 megs
[01:36] <Amaranth> Oh dear.
[01:36] <Amaranth> I don't even think Xubuntu will work on that
[01:36] <HesNikke> haha
[01:36] <HesNikke> i got knoppix to work after hacking in some swap
[01:36] <HesNikke> quite slowly
[01:37] <Amaranth> Xorg itself will use about 10MB
[01:37] <HesNikke> yeah, 64 megs
[01:37] <Amaranth> I think the kernel uses another 4-8MB
[01:37] <Amaranth> You'd be better off using fluxbox or something on there, I'm almost positive Xubuntu will be too heavy
[01:38] <Amaranth> Look into upgrading the RAM. :) 128MB will make Xubuntu happy, 256MB will make Ubuntu (and probably Edubuntu) happy
[01:38] <HesNikke> ok, so the other question is
[01:39] <HesNikke> does edubuntu have tools for a 7 year old?
[01:39] <HesNikke> educational games for 2nd graders and what not
[01:39] <Amaranth> I think so.
[01:39] <Amaranth> I don't use it, I just make things. :)
[01:39] <HesNikke> lol
[01:41] <Amaranth> "Gcompris is huge collection of activities for the kindergarden. It gently introduces kids to basic computer use, then it builds on that by expanding to basic maths, reading activities, and more."
[01:41] <Amaranth> "The Tux4kids project has produced software such as TuxPaint, TuxMaths and TuxTyping."
[01:43] <HesNikke> grrr
[01:43] <HesNikke> i can't find info on setting up xubuntu from the command line on the interweb
[01:43] <HesNikke> any suggestions?
[01:43] <Amaranth> from the command line?
[01:43] <HesNikke> or should i download an alternate CD?
[01:43] <HesNikke> yeah, it complaining about the xserver being setup wrong when i boot from the cd
[01:43] <Amaranth> oh
[01:43] <HesNikke> but if i boot with the single optoin at least i get a prompt
[01:44] <Amaranth> yeah, you need X to install from that CD
[01:44] <Amaranth> You're talking about the Desktop CD, right?
[01:44] <HesNikke> alright, so i'll setup X
[01:44] <HesNikke> yep
[01:47] <HesNikke> aha!
[01:47] <HesNikke> insuficiant memory window
[01:47] <HesNikke> not enough RAM :(
[01:48] <Amaranth> heh, i figured as much
[01:51] <HesNikke> and it had already picked up the swap partition i set up (256 megs)
[01:51] <HesNikke> :(
[01:51] <HesNikke> pentium II's used PC100 RAM right?
[01:51] <knixtech> hello guys, can you help me in getting ganttproject working on here?
[02:03] <bddebian> Howdy
[02:13] <knixtech> Howdy
[02:15] <bddebian> Hello knixtech
[02:16] <knixtech> bddebian, good evening
[02:22] <bddebian> Heh
[03:17] <knixtech> lets all get edubuntu tattoo's
[04:05] <Burgundavia> knixtech: you are an odd one
[04:05] <simp> what if knetworkmanager freezes on 28% of connecting to a WPA-Tkip secured wireless network
[04:06] <knixtech> Burgundavia, why do you say that?
[04:06] <Burgundavia> simp: then file a bug
[04:06] <Burgundavia> knixtech: never mind ;)
[04:06] <knixtech> Burgundavia, im serious
[04:06] <simp> Burgundavia: but i've had it for 3 installs of kubuntu
[04:06] <simp> all of them were from different CD-s
[04:07] <Burgundavia> then it is clearly a bug in the program itself, or the driver
[04:07] <knixtech> Burgundavia, you talking about the tattoo statement?
[04:07] <Burgundavia> yes
[04:07] <simp> Burgundavia: but is there ANY way to get it working? i really need wifi
[04:07] <knixtech> Well when a distro makes you feel like this, y wouldnt you do it
[04:08] <knixtech> simp, wpa or wpa2?
[04:08] <simp> wpa
[04:08] <Burgundavia> what chipset is your card?
[04:09] <simp> my card is linksys WUSB54G 2,4ghz 802,11g
[04:09] <Burgundavia> that tells me nothing
[04:10] <Burgundavia> chipset, not manufacturer
[04:10] <Burgundavia> dmesg will tell you
[04:10] <simp> in terminal dmesg eth1?
[04:11] <Burgundavia> just dmesg
[04:11] <knixtech> tattoo right on the back of the neck
[04:12] <Burgundavia> dmesg | grep Atheros or dmesg | grep Intel
[04:12] <knixtech> with Burgundavia name in the middle
[04:12] <Burgundavia> rightg
[04:14] <simp> Burgundavia:  that's all i get: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23698
[04:15] <simp> Burgundavia:  that's all it says about eth1 eth1: link is not ready
[04:16] <Burgundavia> looking
[04:18] <Burgundavia> looks liek you have an intel chipset
[04:18] <Burgundavia> thus I blame knetworkmanager
[04:18] <Burgundavia> file a bug against it and try to use dhclient directly
[04:19] <simp> Burgundavia:  i don't get it dhclient... terminal sudo dhclient or smth?
[04:20] <Burgundavia> sudo dhclient eth1
[04:21] <simp> how do i set the passwords and stuff?
[04:22] <simp> Burgundavia: it says
[04:22] <simp> No DHCPOFFERS received.
[04:22] <simp> No working leases in persistent database - sleeping.
[07:51] <cbx333> good morning
[07:52] <bddebian> good night cbx333 :-)
[08:23] <Laser_away> hi cbx333
[12:38] <cbx33> !seen ogra
[12:38] <ubotu> I last saw ogra (n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra) 9h 23m 30s ago, quiting: "Verlassend"
[01:04] <cbx33> hey pygi
[01:04] <cbx33> hi RichEd
[01:05] <pygi> hey cbx33 ^_^
[01:06] <cbx33> pygi, you heard about lilo right??
[01:06] <pygi> cbx33, yes :'(
[01:06] <cbx33> :'(
[01:07] <Yagisan> o_O
[01:08] <cbx33> Hi Yagisan
[01:08] <cbx33> pygi, I started some development on gallium
[01:08] <cbx33> Amaranth has done a great job so far
[01:08] <Yagisan> G'day cbx33, pygi, and anyone else here
[01:08] <cbx33> and wil probably continue to do so.......thought I'd help out where I could ;)
[01:09] <Yagisan> cbx33, I found myself in wikipedia now. All I need is a vanity page ;)
[01:09] <cbx33> Yagisan, really?
[01:09] <pygi> hey Yagisan
[01:09] <cbx33> link me
[01:09] <Yagisan> cbx33, yes, really
[01:09] <pygi> cafuego, :-D
[01:09] <pygi> cbx33, :-D*
[01:10] <Yagisan> cbx33, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Doomsday_Engine
[01:10] <cafuego> pygi: hmm?
[01:10] <cafuego> oic
[01:10] <pygi> cafuego, sorry :P
[01:10] <cafuego> fine, ignore me.  Refusing to release source
[01:55] <lucasvo> btw, is there any time-window in which people have to deliver the source?
[01:55] <cbx33> eeek
[01:55] <lucasvo> for e.g. one could place each letter in one mail and send one mail per day
[01:56] <cbx33> lucasvo, i think it is complete source
[01:56] <cbx33> when released
[01:56] <lucasvo> ok
[01:56] <cbx33> I'll bbl guys
[01:56] <lucasvo> Yagisan: how do you find these projects?
[01:57] <Yagisan> lucasvo, the users come whinging to me for support o_O
[01:57] <lucasvo> oh.
[01:58] <Yagisan> yes indeed. basiaclly the title is changed
[01:58] <Yagisan> and that is about it
[01:58] <lucasvo> Yagisan: do you work at fsf?
[01:58] <Yagisan> no
[01:58] <lucasvo> how do people find you?
[01:59] <Yagisan> I just have copyright on the stolen code, and the support channels all point to our project
[02:01] <Yagisan> lucasvo, my posts look like novels don't they
[02:02] <lucasvo> oh. ok
[02:02] <lucasvo> Yagisan: you created dooom?
[02:06] <Yagisan> lucasvo, I am a doom engine author
[02:06] <Yagisan> lucasvo, not id software
[02:06] <Yagisan> employee
[02:06] <lucasvo> ah.
[03:04] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:06] <pygi> hey ho bddebian
[03:07] <bddebian> Hi pygi
[04:31] <knixtech> good morning edubuntu buddies
[04:31] <pygi> hello knixtech
[04:33] <knixtech> wanna see my pw, hee hee jk
[04:33] <pygi> knixtech, nah, no need, thanks ^_^
[04:33] <knixtech> lol
[04:34] <knixtech> do any of you guys here read linux format?
[04:38] <pygi> knixtech, nop, at least I don't :)
[04:42] <knixtech> do you guy know how to mask your ip on here?
[05:31] <cbx33> hey sbalneav
[05:32] <sbalneav> Hello cbx33
[05:36] <jsgotangco> wow sunday folks, no life eh?
[05:38] <jsgotangco> heh well its almost midnight here
[05:41] <jsgotangco> you just dont stop huh?
[05:42] <cbx33> heheh
[05:42] <cbx33> durnk
[05:52] <cbx33> hi knixtech
[05:52] <knixtech> cbx33, morning
[05:55] <knixtech> whats new?
[06:19] <knixtech> hey pygi
[06:20] <pygi> hey knixtech, ogra
[06:20] <knixtech> pygi, did you ever get that email?
[06:20] <knixtech> am I not worthy
[06:20] <pygi> knixtech, yes, I got the mail ^_^
[06:32] <knixtech> pygi, and am i worthy?
[06:32] <pygi> knixtech, everyone is worthy to contribute, I'm just seriously lacking time :) You'll get the response, no worries :)
[06:33] <knixtech> ty
[06:33] <pygi> knixtech, I'm really sorry for not responding yet, but time and stuff ^_^
[06:33] <knixtech> its quite ok
[06:33] <pygi> knixtech, could you please remind me tommorow? I'll reserve some minutes for you
[06:34] <knixtech> sure
[06:34] <knixtech> ty
[06:34] <pygi> thanks :)
[06:35] <knixtech> np ;)
[06:56] <cbx33> afternoon pygi
[06:56] <pygi> hello cbx33 ;)
[06:56] <cbx33> howz it going?
[06:57] <pygi> good and bad (you know why bad :P)
[06:58] <cbx33> yeh
[06:58] <cbx33> :(
[07:04] <pygi> cbx33, how is you?
[07:04] <cbx33> yeh good
[07:06] <pygi> cbx33, glad to hear that :)
[07:09] <cbx33> bbl
[07:09] <pygi> oki
[08:50] <maccam94> knock knock, anybody home?
[08:53] <Burgundavia> maccam94: yep
[08:54] <maccam94> scenario: thick client machines, multiple rooms, /home and /etc are central shares on a server.
[08:54] <maccam94> is it possible to have certain printers only visible in certain rooms? (thus on only certain machines)
[09:02] <Burgundavia> maccam94: I honestly have no idea
[09:05] <knixtech> does anyone know were the default templates are located?
[09:05] <knixtech> for open office, srry
[09:05] <maccam94> Burgundavia: lol, s'ok, i don't think it's an easy question
[09:06] <Burgundavia> maccam94: you could create different print servers and only allow people to print to printers off one server
[09:07] <knixtech> nvmd
[09:09] <maccam94> well there are going to be classrooms, which each have their own printer
[09:09] <maccam94> and every computer will be identical
[09:09] <maccam94> (there are 300 at least)
[09:10] <maccam94> people will be able to log on to any machine with their own unique username and password
[09:10] <maccam94> what i would like is for the available printer list to be location-sensitive
[09:11] <maccam94> maybe some sort of naming scheme could be done based on mac address, and then the computers derive the available printers from their hostnames (like rm250pc1 would see printers rm250pr*)
[09:11] <Burgundavia> I don't think the gnome printer dialog supports that yet
[09:12] <maccam94> it would be some sort of conf file variable
[09:13] <maccam94> $printerhost = $hostname - pc* + pr*
[09:13] <maccam94> (that's not valid but just the concept)
[09:30] <JJF> Hi
[09:30] <JJF> Just new to Edubuntu...
[09:30] <maccam94> hello
[09:31] <JJF> hi maccam
[09:31] <pygi> hi JJF, welcome to the community ^_3
[09:31] <pygi> ^_^
[09:31] <JJF> thanks!
[09:32] <JJF> I'll prob. gonna be here a lot, since i'm trying to get everyone at my school involved with linux-edubuntu
[09:32] <JJF> you guys all work with Edubuntu?
[09:32] <JJF> hi pygi
[09:33] <knixtech> JJF, how are you going to do this?
[09:33] <pygi> JJF, you can meet some small part of Edubuntu community and as such contains a lot of people interested & involved in various things in Education, development, marketing, schools, unis, and such :)
[09:34] <JJF> good question... knixtech... I got a new job in Aruba, and there's a lot of financial problems. Old computers, hardly money for new machines, not to think about Microsucked licences
[09:35] <knixtech> JJF, very very nice,  do it up
[09:35] <JJF> i had a meeting last friday, and got a few people interested, I need to setup a small lab, in order to convice my collegeas
[09:35] <JJF> then, the board/other staff members
[09:35] <knixtech> you think about ltsp?
[09:35] <JJF> it not just concerns the school where i work at, but the whole public school system here in Aruba
[09:36] <JJF> love ltsp
[09:36] <knixtech> sweet
[09:36] <JJF> i worked with windows terminal server as well..
[09:36] <JJF> great concept, especially when it's free and doesnt stall!
[09:36] <JJF> ;)
[09:36] <pygi> JJF, ;)
[09:37] <JJF> as said before, the problem here is money, microsoft makes it harder also to pirate software, which btw i dont think is bad... but since i'm (or the schools) are wihtout money, what's left to do
[09:37] <JJF> :)
[09:37] <knixtech> you got that right, welcome
[09:38] <JJF> I prefer legal and stability, therefor linux... i looked into edubuntu, and it might be my solution
[09:38] <JJF> hehe thanks kniptech
[09:38] <JJF> p=x
[09:38] <JJF> but do you guys work in schools too, or you comp.wizardz at home/work
[09:39] <pygi> you can't just generalise stuff like that :)
[09:39] <JJF> what do you mean
[09:39] <JJF> pygi?
[09:39] <knixtech> JJF, i am a network admin for technical education and am going to implement edubuntu in education
[09:39] <pygi> JJF, well, not everything boils down to "school worker" or "computer hacker"
[09:40] <JJF> ofcourse pygi, but since this channel is for edubuntu, that's why i asked it
[09:41] <JJF> im a network admin myself, mainly school enviroments, but had too many problems with windows
[09:41] <JJF> this situation might not just convince my collegeas, but also government employees
[09:42] <JJF> the available educational software and ltsp will give the pro's vs the cons... (if there are any cons)
[09:42] <maccam94> i wish the ubuntu mystory thing was up
[09:42] <knixtech> JJF, you are right up my alley, we should brainstorm together
[09:43] <JJF> good.
[09:43] <JJF> ur in the US knix?
[09:43] <knixtech> ya
[09:43] <JJF> I lived in ATL
[09:43] <knixtech> do u have aim or anythng?
[09:43] <knixtech> nice
[09:43] <JJF> ran away
[09:43] <JJF> hehe
[09:43] <knixtech> heehee
[09:43] <JJF> i'm at the beach again
[09:43] <knixtech> congrats
[09:43] <JJF> thanks1
[09:43] <JJF> we can setup a confere here ;)
[09:44] <JJF> anyone interested?
[09:44] <JJF> haha
[09:44] <JJF> conference
[09:44] <knixtech> JJF, do you use aim or somekind of protocol?
[09:44] <JJF> ehhh
[09:44] <JJF> aim?
[09:44] <knixtech> ya
[09:44] <JJF> u mean the messenger right?
[09:44] <knixtech> ya
[09:44] <JJF> still on old msn
[09:45] <knixtech> do u use it
[09:45] <JJF> yep
[09:45] <JJF> it's on now
[09:45] <knixtech> do u mind if i have your username
[09:45] <JJF><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:45] <knixtech> ty
[09:46] <knixtech> hehe


[01:09] <Gumby> hi all.  can anyone tell me how I can disable the popup notifications in mythbuntu? I dont want there to be anything popping up telling me about network info, availalable updates, restricted drivers etc
[01:10] <mrguitar> I've got a bad HDHR issue. Can anyone help?
[01:10] <mrguitar> My log is getting filled 24/7 w/ this: 2010-01-03 19:10:27.673 HDHRSH(101170CE-1): RunTS(): data_length = 6580 remainder = 188
[01:10] <mrguitar> 2010-01-03 19:10:27.775 HDHRSH(101170CE-1): RunTS(): data_length = 2632 remainder = 188
[01:10] <mrguitar> 2010-01-03 19:10:27.940 HDHRSH(101170CE-1): RunTS(): data_length = 5264 remainder = 188
[01:10] <mrguitar> 2010-01-03 19:10:28.001 HDHRSH(101170CE-1): RunTS(): data_length = 31584 remainder = 188
[01:59] <mazzomaz> hi there
[02:00] <mazzomaz> anybody here who can help me figure out a problem with my remote-controller / lirc
[02:01] <mazzomaz> my rc is working fine, but only when i start lirc with "lircd --driver=dev/input --device=/dev/input/event6"
[02:02] <mazzomaz> how i can configure lirc to start automaticaly with those parameters at every reboot ?
[02:08] <mazda01> how do i configure Gnome CD Master to see my DVD writers so I can copy an audio cd?
[02:13] <DGMurdockIII> hi
[02:14] <mazda01> anyone have a suggestion for copying an audio cd?
[02:14] <DGMurdockIII> i dont know how to word this but the way i get sound from my computer is i use a ati all in wonder HD that has a hdmi port on it and i plug hdmi cable in to that then it gose in to the lcd tv dose mythbuntu
[02:14] <DGMurdockIII> support getting sound as well as video
[02:15] <DGMurdockIII> from the card using hdmi
[02:27] <mazda01> ne1 use gnome cd master? what group do i need to add my user to so that I can see the devices within that program? because I can see the devices if I run it as root. gksudo gcdmaster
[02:29] <rhpot1991> mazda01: check out k3b
[02:30] <mazda01> rhpot1991, don't want all those KDE libs, thanks though. That's not a solution to my question. I'll keep googling
[02:32] <rhpot1991> mazda01: brasero is the default gnome burning app anymore, you can look at that as well
[02:32] <mazda01> rhpot1991, don't use brasero enough. didn't even realize that it had a copy audio cd feature in it. thanks
[03:06] <mazda01> ok, brasero always errors out on me. why can't gnome just include a burning program that works.
[03:08] <mazda01> wheather trying a dvd movie or copying an audio cd. it fails
[04:33] <ddempsey3> I just want to give an update on re-creating the diskless tab for control-centre, incase others are working on it. I ran into a bug filed against dbus that upgrades fail if you are running in a chroot.
[04:33] <ddempsey3> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus/+bug/441100
[04:44] <mrand> ddempsey3: glad to hear you're working on it.  I've not heard lately that anyone else is. superm1 can hopefully confirm that he hasn't heard of anyone else either.
[05:00] <ddempsey3> I have creation/deletion of the diskless image working. But because of the bug, when the mcc launches from the chroot, nothing happens.
[05:10] <Monona> What should I set the address to for my primary backend?  I will have an Ubuntu laptop & desktop and a Macbook on the network.  Can I dual boot from a regular Ubuntu desktop into Mythbuntu?
[05:11] <Monona> Sorry, I mean IP address.  There's a Local Backend and Master Backend.  Right now, they're both set at <IP_ADDRESS>.  Does it matter what I change them to?
[05:27] <superm1> ddempsey3, ooh that's fun
[05:28] <Gumby> hi all, I am trying to figure out what I have very loud noises (I cant quite describe the noises) when using hdmi passthrough via spdif.  It only seems to happen when X is running and the audio isnt being used.
[05:28] <superm1> i've seen similar behaviors with chroots under a different context
[05:29] <superm1> ddempsey3, could you push what you've got so far into a merge request?  we can at least merge portions of it in to get more eyes on it hopefully
[05:29] <superm1> but i'm curious what particular packages are failing to upgrade?
[05:29] <superm1> most diskless chroots will be frontends, so hopefully wont need many services running
[05:30] <MistStlkr> if I may interrupt, how exactly does a diskless front end work ?  or, rather, how SHOULD it work if it were working?
[05:31] <ddempsey3> The real issue is trying to upgrade packages while in the chroot.  dbus does not work properly in the chroot env
[05:32] <ddempsey3> it communicates to the dbus out side the chroot.
[05:33] <ddempsey3> I can push what I have, but need help with that.  I have never done a merge request.
[05:37] <superm1> sure no problems
[05:37] <superm1> so i'm assuming you are working off a bzr checkout right now right?
[05:37] <superm1> if not, then grab the branch mythbuntu-common as detailed in http://mythbuntu.org/cheatsheet
[05:37] <superm1> MistStlkr, it would boot up via a combination of TFTP/NFS
[05:38] <ddempsey3> Yes I am working off of bzr checkout
[05:38] <superm1> MistStlkr, log you into gdm, and start mythfrontend
[05:38] <superm1> ddempsey3, okay then make sure that your username is set right (eg bzr whoami, also detailed on the cheatsheet)
[05:38] <superm1> ddempsey3, and then "bzr add FILE" for any files that weren't part of the tree
[05:38] <superm1> and type bzr commit
[05:39] <ddempsey3> superm1, sounds easy enough.  Is it reviewed after the commit?
[05:40] <superm1> ddempsey3, well that just commits it locally
[05:40] <superm1> ddempsey3, once you get that far, i'll walk you along the push and merge request
[05:40] <superm1> and anything that i walk you through that's missing on the cheatsheet i'll add there
[05:41] <superm1> the idea is supposed to be to have the whole process documented so someone can read that thing and go
[05:41] <MistStlkr> superm1, ah.. interesting idea!  I'll read up on that.  might make for a cool "network appliance" for the bedroom... I was thinking of finding an older laptop and hang it on the wall behind a flatscreen monitor to watch in bed....
[05:42] <ddempsey3> superm1, thanks again.  I will try later this week after reading the cheatsheet.
[05:42] <superm1> MistStlkr, well currently (last 2 releases or so), it's quite difficult to set up
[05:42] <superm1> the gui has been broke
[05:42] <superm1> which ddempsey3 is trying to help fix :)
[05:42] <ddempsey3> we are close :)
[05:43] <Gumby> hi all.  I am using mythbuntu 9.10 64bit and am using spdif/hdmi passthrough. when I log into xfce I get horrible noises via the speakers until I play something that uses the sound system.  Once I stop playing something, it reverts back to the horrid noises.  Has anyone experienced this?
[05:43] <MistStlkr> superm1: so I gathered.  but it sounds like a great idea.  ddempsey:  get to work!  *cracks the whip*  LOL   Seriously though, that sounds like a heck of a project!  good luck, and enjoy!
[05:43] <superm1> MistStlkr, yeah when it was working a few releases ago it was quite awesome
[05:43] <superm1> i had my primary frontend set up with it
[05:44] <superm1> and it allows someone to bring a laptop over to your place, hook up to a cat5 and go with a frontend when they're staying with you, which i think is all sorts of cool
[05:44] <MistStlkr> superm1:  you would still need some small hard drive though, wouldn't you??  or are you setting the BIOS to boot entirely off a network drive somehow??
[05:45] <superm1> MistStlkr, nope, nothing.  you just choose network boot from the BIOS menu
[05:45] <superm1> or if they're PC doesn't support that, you can have a small flash drive that contains the kernel and initrd
[05:45] <MistStlkr> sup[erm1:  or is it diskless in that the front end is not on the local disk, essentiually equivalent to remoting in to a front end?
[05:45] <superm1> *their
[05:45] <MistStlkr> superm1:  sweet!
[05:45] <superm1> it's all stored on the server, but the code is executed on the client
[05:45] <superm1> via an NFS root
[05:46] <MistStlkr> never played with an NFS root.. that sounds pretty damned cool.
[05:46] <superm1> when it's all working, it should literally be a few clicks on MCC, wait about an hour for the chroot to build, and you're able to network boot other PCs
[05:47] <MistStlkr> without that, what would be the min hard drive for the frontend?
[05:48] <MistStlkr> the "wait an hour" thing is a one-time wait, right?  not per-client, surely?
[05:53] <superm1> one time wait, right
[05:53] <superm1> it's just the time to fetch the packages and build the chroot for the first time
[05:54] <superm1> 2gb otherwise for a frontend only system absolute minimum
[05:54] <superm1> but you're going to run into problems with theme caching possibly and updates
[05:56] <MistStlkr> right.  I remember a while back I got an ubuntu distro booting off of a USB key... maybe see if I can pick up an 8GB or a 16GB one and work on getting that running again for the front end
[05:56] <superm1> yeah that's definitely doable
[05:56] <MistStlkr> wouldn't be "diskless" but it would be awfully close LOL
[06:05] <MistStlkr> hm.. wonder if someone makes an adapter that has a USB input and outputs to a laptop hard drive connector... fool the laptop into using a thumb drive as an internal hard drive...  thanks for the chat and the view of what is to come!  I'm off to look intot hat :-P
[06:07] <superm1> np, yup, have fun
[06:08] <MistStlkr> oh, one other thing before I head out.  I was thinking of trying to configure lirc to turn on the screensaver when I hit the power button my my remote.   have you heard of that being done?  can't imagine it being particularly difficult...
[06:16] <superm1> MistStlkr, sure bind it using irxevent
[06:17] <superm1> to a gnome-screensaver-command invokation
[07:49] <bobobob> what was that lirc program you run to see what codes are being sent by remote....codes were just echoed
[07:54] <bobobob> irw..thanks
[08:11] <jac1d> Good evneing all, is anyone here using an IR Blaster with a Motorola VIP 1200 stb or a Uverse or Aliant, Telus or MTS IP set top box?
[20:07] <mrguitar> I installed Mythbuntu 9.10 on Saturday as a frontend and I'm loving it. ....accept I'm getting TERRIBLE flash performance. Hulu desktop is almost worthless right now. Has anyone got flash working well?
[20:09] <superm1> mrguitar, you can try turning down the resolution before you launch it
[20:10] <superm1> mrguitar, but unfortunately flash doesn't use hardware acceleration, so there's not much else you can do
[20:14] <mrguitar> hmmm. My last OS was Jaunty & Fedora 8 w/ an Nvidia 6200
[20:14] <mrguitar> I upgraded to a 9500 & karmic and NOW it sucks
[20:14] <mrguitar> it used to be good enough
[20:15] <mrguitar> this could cripple my plans to launch boxee from the myth menu
[20:15] <iamlindoro> did you go from 32 to 64 bit?
[20:16] <iamlindoro> flash plugin on 64 bit is alpha-status (and quality)
[20:17]  * tgm4883 disagrees, 64 > 32 so it must be better
[20:17] <iamlindoro> twice as good, even?
[20:17] <tgm4883> of course
[20:17] <mrguitar> 32 bit the whole way
[20:17] <iamlindoro> Ah well, flash sucks
[20:17] <mrguitar> although I'd like to run 64 on this box, I kept 32 because of boxee
[20:18] <iamlindoro> Says the guy writing the new plugin heavily dependent on flash
[20:18] <mrguitar> 64 > 32 HA!
[20:20] <mrguitar> I wrote a lame script to launch hulu desktop @ 1024x768 w/ xrandr but performance did not improve. :(
[20:26] <tgm4883> mrguitar, which nvidia driver?
[20:29] <mrguitar> 185 I think
[20:29] <rhpot1991> flash sucks, the end :)
[20:30] <mrguitar> I agree, but it should be usable
[20:30] <mrguitar> 185.18.36
[20:30] <rhpot1991> I tried hulu desktop on my amd x2 and it was terrible
[20:38] <tgm4883> i'm still waiting for vdpau flash in linux
[20:38] <tgm4883> until then, it's 50/50
[20:38] <tgm4883> not to mention some hulu shows work better than others
[20:39] <mrguitar> did anyone else notice a depreciation moving from jaunty? (this might also be the new card or newer nvidia driver)
[20:46] <mrguitar> I guess I'll try the 10.1 beta 2 version of flash tonight - but I'm not optimistic.
[20:47] <rhpot1991> tgm4883: I think they claim to be  supporting gpu offloading in the next beta, but I read somewhere that they only support "Industry standards" and said that VDPAU wasn't a standard or some garbage like that
[20:47] <rhpot1991> translation: not enough people use that for us to care about
[20:54] <mrguitar> got to run - thanks for the thoughts everyone. I'll try somethings when I get home and report back tomorrow. cheers.
[20:55] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, well yea, VDPAU isn't an industry standard, but IIRC, there is a standard that uses that (and AMD's version as well)
[21:53] <Molch_> hi i m using mythtv the first time. i just installed it from the ubuntu 9.10 repos and i m at the channel scanning point now. i m using dvb-s and created a channels.conf with w-scan. when i try to import it i get a error msg : "failed to parse '%1'". i know the vdr confs wont work but the w-scan should...


[20:16] <transhumanist> hi, I am looking for directions for changing the ip address on a multipass vm. it built it on the 10.x.x.x network like my lan is using, but unfotunately I think its got the wrong subnet mask, having trouble getting it to add guests as a gateway on another machine on the local network says error: next hope invalid gateway
[20:17] <transhumanist> it is indeed showing that its on the <IP_ADDRESS>/24 network and my other machine is on the <IP_ADDRESS>/24 network
[20:18] <transhumanist> and the Ubuntu multipass server has an ip on the <IP_ADDRESS>/24 network and I can reach and manage it by ssh or by rdp