[00:21] <balloons> phillw, sure
[00:21] <balloons> speaking to smartboyhw twice in the same day
[00:21] <balloons> funzies
[00:21] <balloons> you'll still be up tomorrow.. living on the otherside of the world is weird eh?
[00:22] <phillw> balloons: yeah, it throws me as well :)
[00:23] <phillw> young benny in AUS also does that to me
[00:24] <phillw> silverarrow: wb, sorry. was on a different channel
[00:24] <phillw> I'm just asking balloons how his translations of the test cases have gone.
[00:27] <phillw> silverarrow: he's busy getting ready for a global jam. The details will trickle down for the new format, at that point lubuntu can start thinking about our own test cases.
[00:28] <balloons> indeed
[00:28] <phillw> I was not expecting this until post 12.10, so it has rather caught me on the back foot :)
[00:29] <phillw> balloons: when you have the format of http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~nskaggs/checkbox/checkbox-app-testing-qt/view/head:/htmltestcases/gedit.html give me a dig & we can have an easy start to modifiying it for leafpad
[00:30] <balloons> phillw, the format that is in there, is what it will be
[00:30] <balloons> you mean for flavors? I think we've confused
[00:31] <balloons> as in in the same testcase?
[00:31] <balloons> or simply have th existence?
[00:32] <phillw> balloons: well, ubuntu does not ship leafpad, but it would be the lubuntu equivalent. So a very easy edit to make and get those interested a nice easy introduction to the test cases.
[00:33] <phillw> I can start to write up a set of instructions which can then be incorporated into 'main' wiki.
[00:34] <phillw> People are starting off at zero knowledge of the system, so it does seem a simple one to start with as an example.
[01:51] <silverarrow> Ubuntu is cleaning up dust in the corners?
[01:51] <silverarrow> or is it more serious bugs crawling around
[01:51] <silverarrow> I have spiders
[02:02] <phillw> silverarrow: we do tend to squish the big bright red ones. The grey ones take a bit more work.
[02:32] <silverarrow>  the old powerbooks have rather good battery
[02:32] <silverarrow> and ibooks
[02:32] <silverarrow> power consumption I suppose
[02:54] <phillw> silverarrow: I've got a 2nd hand packard bell, the new battery has made such a massive difference to it. I'm a big fan of getting 2nd hand kit.
[02:56] <phillw> silverarrow: http://www.laptopsdirect.co.uk/GRADE_A2_-_Packard_Bell_Easynote_LJ71_Windows_7_Laptop_in_Black_A2-LX.BDU02.005/version.asp (Mine came with 2 X 500GB hard drives)
[07:55] <noskcaj> how do i edit the testcase, i was going to make the xubuntu ones more accurate
[08:02] <noskcaj> also the ubuntu not xubuntu bugs are listed in xubuntu
[08:02] <elfy> noskcaj: from what I can see they are completely wrong - the testcases
[08:02] <noskcaj> i would liketo try and fix them, any ideas how?
[08:02] <elfy> and I think any bugs get listed - ones I'm reported are there
[08:02] <noskcaj> ok
[08:03] <noskcaj> just some xubuntu ones arnt
[08:03] <elfy> noskcaj: really?
[08:03] <noskcaj> yes, i couldn't find the blackscreen one
[08:03] <elfy> noskcaj: the testcases we use are on the xubuntu wiki
[08:03] <noskcaj> ok
[08:03] <elfy> oh - I saw that one I am positive
[08:04] <noskcaj> k
[08:04] <elfy> but the testcase thing was talked about yesterday in xubuntu-devel
[08:05] <elfy> noskcaj: #xubuntu-devel is probably a useful channel to be in at times if you're testing xubuntu
[08:05] <noskcaj> on the iso tracker the blackscreen bug isnt listed
[08:05] <noskcaj> ok
[08:05] <noskcaj> thanks
[08:09] <elfy> mmm - can't seem to find a way to the old tests now
[08:09] <knome> bug #1010487
[08:09] <elfy> thanks knome
[08:09] <knome> np
[08:13] <noskcaj> how do i change the documentation on the testing tracker
[08:13] <smartboyhw> elfy: You can't find the tests now because they have been deleted due to no release for Beta1
[08:14] <smartboyhw> noskcaj: What do you mean? The testcases?
[08:14] <noskcaj> yes
[08:14] <elfy> smartboyhw: you used to be able to get to old testcases
[08:14] <noskcaj> i was going to fix the trackers xubuntu testcases
[08:14] <smartboyhw> noskcaj: Did you subscribe to the Ubuntu QA Mail list?
[08:14] <noskcaj> yes
[08:15] <smartboyhw> You should have received an email just now, check it, it is about updating the testcases
[08:15] <noskcaj> smartboyhw: i think i'm under doak-jackson or something in it
[08:15] <smartboyhw> Sadly you don't have the permission (at least for now) and I do:)
[08:16] <smartboyhw> noskcaj: Read this
[08:16] <smartboyhw> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/TestCaseAdmins
[08:16] <noskcaj> smartboyhw: can i send you a draft when i'm done then?
[08:16] <smartboyhw> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/TestCaseAdmins/ManagementOverview
[08:16] <smartboyhw> noskcaj: Sure:)
[08:16] <smartboyhw> Maybe sent the draft to the mailing list so phillw and balloons can help too
[08:17] <noskcaj> ok
[08:18] <smartboyhw> :)
[08:27] <mvo> jibel: there seems to be something wrong with the auto-package-tester result interpretation for software-center currently, is that a known issue? some tests are still failing there but it reports the thing as successful
[08:30] <jibel> mvo, yes, exit status was incorrectly reported from adt-run to the main runner
[08:30] <jibel> mvo, I fixed it
[08:30] <jibel> and re-ran the jobs
[08:30] <jibel> mvo, the nice side of things is that it made pitti happy this morning when he saw everything was green
[08:31] <pitti> *beam*
[08:38] <mvo> jibel: haha, thanks for fixing it
[08:41] <jibel> mvo,   "* lp:~mvo/software-center/adt-you-make-my-life-hard:" in s-c was not needed anymore it's clearly a bug in adt, that I fixed in the version running in the lab
[08:41] <mvo> jibel: oh? so it runs as the user by default nw? thats great
[08:43] <jibel> mvo, yes, adt-run has a - broken - option --user , I filed http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=686292
[08:44] <jibel> basically it runs mktemp as root, then drop privileges
[09:12] <smartboyhw> noskcaj: Still here? I wanna talk about your draft
[09:13] <smartboyhw> noskcaj: PING
[09:14] <knome> smartboyhw, calm. down. NOW.
[09:14] <smartboyhw> !?
[09:14] <knome> patience, you waited for what, one minute?
[09:14] <smartboyhw> OH alright then!
[09:14] <knome> thanks.
[09:23] <noskcaj> yeah?
[09:24] <noskcaj> smartboyhw: yeah
[09:32] <noskcaj> Smartboyhm answer Me
[09:46] <smartboyhw> OK
[09:46] <smartboyhw> noskcaj: I think it can be more specific for Xubuntu.
[09:46] <smartboyhw> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Testing/Short
[09:47] <smartboyhw> Try to see if you wanna add it. If not that's OK, I will help you
[09:48] <noskcaj> i will add most of it, just might not be uo till tomorrow australian time
[09:48] <smartboyhw> OK we can wait, just finish it before Beta 2 Testing starts LOL
[09:48] <noskcaj> k
[12:53] <jp_Hranice> I have some experience with slow reaction of firefox tabs switching at 12.04.
[15:57] <balloons> phillw, ping
[15:58] <phillw> balloons: pong
[15:58]  * balloons is running lubuntu quantal
[15:58] <phillw> how do you like it?
[15:58] <balloons> i've not seen it all cycle
[15:58] <balloons> what's with the 'no indicators' in the tray?
[15:59] <phillw> I haven't got it fired up in VM atm.
[15:59] <balloons> and since you use chromium now, does that mean lubuntu will be keeping it up to date or?
[16:00] <phillw> chromium, i believe, has just had someone assign themselves to keep it updated.
[16:01] <phillw> ahh, and then un assigned themself :(
[16:01] <phillw> bug 1044307
[16:01] <balloons> yes.. it's slightly newer in quantal
[16:01] <balloons> but will lubuntu ship as default then still?
[16:02] <phillw> yes, chromium is still the default. I have the ppa enabled to pull in the builds
[16:02] <phillw> I surmise that other lubuntu users do the same.
[16:02] <balloons> isn't that an issue with being out of date?
[16:03] <phillw> it used to be maintained but the maintainer stopped. A replacement is still awaited.
[16:03] <smartboyhw> Yea phillw
[16:03] <phillw> afaik, it needs a MOTU to maintain it.
[16:03]  * smartboyhw is running Ubuntu 12.10 with Kubuntu and Ubuntu Studio
[16:04] <smartboyhw> Oh did I cut the conversation? Sorry
[16:05] <smartboyhw> Bye phillw and balloons:)
[16:05] <silverarrow> hi
[16:06] <phillw> hiyas silverarrow
[16:06] <silverarrow> how are you doing?
[16:06] <phillw> doing well,
[16:06] <silverarrow> heard anything from the ppc guys?
[16:06] <silverarrow> good to hear
[16:06] <silverarrow> ...read...
[16:07] <silverarrow> :- )
[16:07] <balloons> phillw, at any rate.. yes, it's sort of neat to see all the changes.. I'm still checking it out.. Gonna update it to beta1
[16:07] <silverarrow> there is quite a lot of acitivity on the mac forum on powerpc stil
[16:08] <phillw> silverarrow: good to hear that on the forum.
[16:08] <phillw> I've not been on that area for a while.
[16:09] <silverarrow> i think all it takes is applications and install working and people would be a bit more daring with their apple stuff
[16:11] <phillw> silverarrow: the 12.04 lubuntu ppc is quite a good release :)
[16:11] <silverarrow>  it is
[16:11] <silverarrow> with browser issues galore
[16:12] <silverarrow> everything else seems to be fine
[16:12] <phillw> silverarrow: we had a lot of that at the start of 12.10, hopefully now resolved.
[16:13] <silverarrow> I`m certain they are all small issues, just needs some attention from some capable guy or girl
[16:14] <silverarrow> like gecko and gome mplayer, they are sooooo close to working lol
[16:15] <silverarrow> and Gnome browser plugin package for mozilla,
[16:15] <silverarrow> really should work
[16:15] <silverarrow> hmtl5 lost sound
[16:15] <phillw> silverarrow: Julien does spend quite a lot of time on ppc, far more than the usage percentage really warrants, but Lubuntu did commit to support ppc and he takes commitment seriously.
[16:15] <silverarrow> minitube crashes on my G4
[16:16] <silverarrow> he has been doing a great job on the 12.04 issue
[16:16] <silverarrow> I like it better than tiger or leopard
[16:17] <silverarrow> i do hope user friendliness will encourage open source ware on ppc
[16:17] <phillw> once we get the two bugs preventing 12.10 installing, I'm sure it'll be full steam ahead again :)
[16:18] <silverarrow> mac owners are often to hesitant to try
[16:18] <phillw> He said he's going to do some further investigations now that beta 1 has landed.
[16:18] <silverarrow> you know, osx is the best and most advanced os in the world
[16:19] <phillw> lol
[16:19] <silverarrow> no matter what
[16:19] <phillw> silverarrow: what is OSX the GUI for?
[16:20] <silverarrow> operativ system (uni)X
[16:20] <silverarrow> or 10
[16:20] <silverarrow> open source have some advantages
[16:21] <phillw> yup, Berkley Unix. That's why it is inherrently safer than MS which was never designed for multiple users / internet. But that's off topic :)
[16:21] <silverarrow> i don`t know the technical stuff at all really
[16:21] <silverarrow> aqua is just name to me
[16:22] <silverarrow> is that why linux have nautilus ?
[16:23] <silverarrow> I initially thought of julius verne
[16:23] <phillw> nautilus is one of the file manager
[16:23] <phillw> s available.
[16:23] <phillw> pcmanfm is the one that lubuntu uses.
[16:24] <silverarrow> oh, of course
[16:24] <silverarrow> which sounds like a hybrid pc radio
[16:25] <phillw> he he, it's named after the authors IRC nick :)
[16:26] <phillw> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCMan_File_Manager
[16:27] <phillw> I don't see him on very often any more :/
[16:30] <silverarrow> if gecko and gnome mplayer would stream more easily on ppc I could brag about it on apple forums
[16:30] <silverarrow> or rather mac two users I know
[16:30] <silverarrow> lol
[16:31] <phillw> the never ending story of which mplayer to use :)
[16:32] <silverarrow> does anyone have time to assist with a log report issue I  have?
[16:32] <silverarrow> never mind the mplayer, they all seem to work
[16:32] <silverarrow> I have messed around with them
[16:32] <phillw> I can try, if it is lubuntu related, you will get better support on #lubuntu
[16:32] <silverarrow> just not the smplayer
[16:32] <silverarrow> I could not make it integrate with browser
[16:33] <silverarrow> no I have tried
[16:33] <silverarrow> it is more mplayer related or gecko
[16:33] <silverarrow> well lubuntu really
[16:33] <phillw> I don't use them, sorry.
[16:34] <silverarrow> I see
[16:34] <phillw> I'm a VLC user, sorry.
[16:34] <silverarrow> never mind then
[16:34] <silverarrow> I have tried VLC too, with even less luck
[16:34] <silverarrow> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/gnome-mplayer/bYJnJz9y2aw
[16:34] <silverarrow> however not total failure
[16:35] <silverarrow> this is what is asked of me: And can you send me the output of configure for gecko-mediaplayer,
[16:35] <silverarrow> gnome-mplayer and gmtk? Perhaps there is something in there at might
[16:35] <silverarrow> help me.
[16:36] <silverarrow> I can not find config if my life depended on it
[16:38] <silverarrow> I have been told to ask someone else a few times lol
[16:38] <silverarrow> config is just not where it should be
[16:38] <phillw> ask on the Lubuntu-QA mailing list, Lars or Walter should be able to answer.
[16:40] <silverarrow> a new suggestion
[16:40] <silverarrow> last one I asked on the lubuntu channels told me to look for margo
[16:40]  * silverarrow googles lubuntu mailing list
[16:41] <phillw> you were chatting to Walter on here yesterday.
[16:42] <silverarrow> I might bump into him again if I am lucky
[16:42] <silverarrow> I forgot to ask then really
[16:42] <phillw> wxl: ping
[16:42] <silverarrow> oh, he is walter
[16:42] <phillw> he should be on later
[16:42] <phillw> yes :)
[16:42] <silverarrow> my name is Arild
[16:43] <silverarrow> however, it doesn`t "work" that well outside Scandinavia
[16:43] <silverarrow> ..what?...
[16:43] <silverarrow> lol
[16:44] <phillw> Walter is in Oregon, USA - So is on quite a different Time Zone to us Europeans :)
[16:46] <silverarrow> that makes sense really
[16:46] <silverarrow> I was up half the night yesterday
[16:46] <silverarrow> or today really
[16:46] <balloons> time gets fuzzy doesn't it silverarrow ?
[16:47] <silverarrow> it does lol
[16:47] <silverarrow> friday came horribly fast this week
[16:47] <silverarrow> or quickly ?
[16:50] <phillw> silverarrow: I know I've been up a long time when smartboy comes back on after his nights' sleep :D
[16:51] <phillw> balloons: something odd has happened on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Meetings It's not listing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Meetings/QA/20120905 on the master page.
[16:52] <balloons> ohh?
[16:52] <balloons> let me see
[16:52] <silverarrow> yeah, smartboy is way ahead , hong kong
[16:52] <silverarrow> 8 minutes to seven here
[16:52] <phillw> silverarrow: Benny is even further ahead... Australia!
[16:52] <silverarrow> in the evening
[16:53] <phillw> 8 mins to 6 in UK

[16:53] <balloons> it's the regex
[16:53] <silverarrow> lubuntu is very international
[16:53] <silverarrow> or ubuntu really
[16:53] <silverarrow> all the ubuntu variants
[16:54] <phillw> balloons: ahh, regex is not an area I'm familiar with :)
[16:55] <phillw> silverarrow: indeed :)
[16:59] <phillw> balloons: how goes the bug jam?
[16:59] <balloons> we jammin'
[16:59] <balloons> lol
[16:59] <balloons> it's open-ened
[16:59] <balloons> *ended
[17:00] <balloons> it's for whomever wishes to utilize it
[17:00] <phillw> I have some new volunteers for test case writing. I'm going to write up some introductory instructions for new comers.
[17:27] <wxl> i didn't read everything (you guys talk too much)but i'm here silverarrow
[17:30] <silverarrow> hi
[17:31] <silverarrow> are you familiar with gnome mplayer and gecko ?
[17:31] <wxl> i guess i've used them
[17:32] <wxl> on ppc tho i dunno
[17:33] <silverarrow> I have been posting on a google group with a guy who is involved gnome mplayer
[17:33] <silverarrow> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/gnome-mplayer/bYJnJz9y2aw
[17:34] <silverarrow> I am hoping to smooth out some trouble
[17:34] <silverarrow> initially I though mplayer and gecko didn`t work at all
[17:35] <silverarrow> but then I discovered the commercial videos on the apple site stream all fine
[17:35] <silverarrow> mplayer worked fine with flash video repacer, but it has disappeared
[17:36] <silverarrow> FVR is only for youtube though
[17:36] <silverarrow> mostly at least
[17:36] <wxl> omg
[17:37] <wxl> i got like 1/10th of the way through and just realized this goes on forever
[17:37] <wxl> get to the point
[17:37] <silverarrow> how do I find the output of configure for gecko-mediaplayer,
[17:37] <silverarrow> gnome-mplayer and gmtk?
[17:37] <wxl> you want the configuration?
[17:38] <silverarrow> that is the question Kevin asked me
[17:38] <silverarrow> I struggle to find it
[17:38] <wxl> i have no idea either
[17:38] <silverarrow> I see
[17:39] <silverarrow> config  folder for mplayer is empty
[17:41] <silverarrow> on regular pc mplayer an gecko streams fine with half the specs
[18:23] <chilicuil> hi, doesn anyone knows what is the difference between http://laptop.qa.ubuntu.com/ and http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com ?
[18:27] <phillw> chilicuil: laptop area is looked after by https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Laptop/Procedures
[18:28] <phillw> It is slewed to the vagaries of different laptops and feeds through to the list of which laptops run ubuntu well.
[18:29] <chilicuil> phillw: so.., if I'm testing in a VM should I use iso.qa.ubuntu.com?, otherwise laptop.qa.ubuntu.com?
[18:31] <phillw> chilicuil: a VM will not really be using the parts of the laptop, it is using the generic stuff in the VM. So, I'd advise use the iso.qa.ubuntu.com until you have chance to hive off a small partition on the hard drive and install directly onto the laptop.
[18:32] <chilicuil> phillw: ok, that's great, I'll do that way, thanks
[18:32] <phillw> building up & modifying the list of laptops is important as it helps people choose between models that other wise may appear similar.
[20:25] <balloons> phillw, http://gould.cx/ted/blog/Desktop_in_the_cloud
[20:32] <phillw> interesting :)
[20:36] <noskcaj> i wonder if its implemented yet
[20:38] <noskcaj> can someone runthe xubuntu daily and64 because it seems to have a login loopbut it might just be my VM
[20:41] <phillw> noskcaj: can you check on #xubuntu, I saw a mention on the mailing list earlier.
[20:42] <noskcaj> the mailing list thing was me yesterday
[20:42] <noskcaj> also the draft testcase is ready for upload and you can edit it
[20:42] <phillw> I have the reply, just finished my dinner :)


[10:45] <CIA-6> ubiquity: evand * r3676 ubiquity/ubiquity/frontend/gtk_ui.py: Missed one spot that had a bgo 56070 workaround.
[10:53] <cjwatson> ev: I guess not that many people are believers in the Unicode ellipsis in English text; it always seemed to be asking for trouble to me :-)
[10:55] <ev> I think it looks a bit nicer (http://tecnocode.co.uk/2009/10/01/unicode-in-gnome/), but not enough for me to go and invalidate a whole bunch of translations.
[11:13] <cjwatson> the other constraint might be that gettext restricts msgids to ASCII-only
[11:13] <cjwatson> or strongly recommends, anyway
[11:14] <cjwatson> this is apparently because if gettext doesn't find a translation it returns the msgid unchanged without doing any recoding
[11:14] <cjwatson> but the upshot is that if you try to put non-ASCII text in msgids, you get whines on stderr all the time, so most people avoid it
[14:55] <CIA-6> grub-installer: cjwatson * r833 no-device-map/ (debian/changelog grub-installer): Use an appropriate OS device name rather than (hd0) if possible.
[15:16] <ev> perhaps its best solved in en_* then.
[16:03] <ikt> heya anyone alive >.>
[16:11] <ev> cjwatson, michaelforrest: (bug 414912, bug 336751) thoughts? http://people.canonical.com/~evand/tmp/transitions.html
[16:11] <ev> I'm afraid it's even more jarring than the existing version.
[16:12] <cjwatson> ev: I was hoping we could use a status bar or something
[16:12] <cjwatson> I agree this is pretty jarring
[16:13] <cjwatson> I like what you've done with the manual partitioner though!
[16:13] <ev> thanks
[16:13] <ev> I think I need to smooth that out a bit
[16:13] <michaelforrest> ev let's talk about this in a bit
[16:13] <michaelforrest> (I am about to go to a meeting )
[16:14] <ev> michaelforrest: sure thing
[16:14] <cjwatson> does it disable the UI when the spinner is up in the manual partitioner?
[16:14] <ev> yes
[16:14] <cjwatson> in bug 336751, mpt said "A status bar would be quite inappropriate in an assistant-style window such as the installer", but gives no reasoning for this declaration
[16:14] <ev> cjwatson: indeed, that's what I was going off of
[16:15] <ev> it's a shame he's not around, but perhaps michaelforrest (when he gets back) understands what mpt's reasoning would be
[16:15] <cjwatson> I'm concerned at that sort of declaration since it seems that the result is things looking much worse :)
[16:15] <ev> agreed
[16:16] <cjwatson> maybe not a status bar, but could we do something like the spinner you did for the manual partitioner, but in some other bit of blank space?
[16:16] <cjwatson> I don't know what's consistently available ...
[16:16] <cjwatson> ikt: replied to your mail
[16:16] <ev> the space between step X of X and back forward next
[16:16] <ev> err quit back forward
[16:16] <ev> that's about it :)
[16:17] <ev> for what it's worth, this is all in ~ev/ubiquity/progress_indicator
[16:18] <ev> PyGTK 2.17.0-0ubuntu2 just hit the archive with GtkSpinner
[16:21] <CIA-6> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3677 ubiquity/ (10 files in 4 dirs):
[16:21] <CIA-6> ubiquity: Add a context manager (raised_privileges) and a function decorator
[16:21] <CIA-6> ubiquity: (raise_privileges) that are equivalent to a
[16:21] <CIA-6> ubiquity: regain_privileges/drop_privileges pair, but that wrap up the required
[16:21] <CIA-6> ubiquity: try/finally logic to make it less likely that we'll end up at the wrong
[16:21] <CIA-6> ubiquity: privilege level by mistake.
[16:24] <ikt> cjwatson: cheers :)
[16:36] <CIA-6> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3678 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/auto_update.py):
[16:36] <CIA-6> ubiquity: When attempting to upgrade the installer, only stop debconf-communicator
[16:36] <CIA-6> ubiquity: once we've determined that we actually have something to upgrade.
[16:59] <CIA-35> grub-installer: cjwatson * r834 no-device-map/ (debian/changelog grub-installer):
[16:59] <CIA-35> grub-installer: When installing from non-CD media, we only need to reset the default
[16:59] <CIA-35> grub-installer: boot device if we would otherwise end up installing GRUB to the
[16:59] <CIA-35> grub-installer: installation media.
[17:26] <CIA-35> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3679 ubiquity/debian/ (changelog control): Require Python 2.6, for the 'with' statement.
[18:42] <CIA-35> grub-installer: cjwatson * r835 no-device-map/debian/changelog: grammar
[18:43] <CIA-35> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3680 ubiquity/ (6 files in 4 dirs):
[18:43] <CIA-35> ubiquity: Move default GRUB target calculation to ubiquity.misc, which is a better
[18:43] <CIA-35> ubiquity: location for common code than ubiquity.components.summary. Try to avoid
[18:43] <CIA-35> ubiquity: using (hd0) as the target (prefer the first device from grub-mkdevicemap
[18:43] <CIA-35> ubiquity: output if possible), and, when installing from a non-CD medium, only
[18:43] <CIA-35> ubiquity: reset the default boot device if we would otherwise end up installing
[18:43] <CIA-35> ubiquity: GRUB to the installation medium.
[18:59] <CIA-35> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3681 ubiquity/debian/changelog: LP: #508725 appears to be fixed by debconf-communicator work
[19:14] <CIA-35> localechooser: cjwatson * r154 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.12ubuntu3
[19:21] <Lyaa> hya - anyone working on patman-iscsi ?
[19:22] <Lyaa> partman-iscsi, that is
[19:25] <CIA-35> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3682 ubiquity/debian/changelog: r3678 fixes LP: #495175
[19:26] <cjwatson> Lyaa: yes, but more currently I'm working on having dinner.  Please say what the problem is and hang around, and I'll get back to you
[19:33] <Lyaa> cjwatson: i've managed to launch the Lucid's installer via PXE and installed in iscsi-root (<- it has *really* improved even since Karmic! ;-))
[19:34] <Lyaa> cjwatson: but the generated /etc/iscsi.initramfs is wrong.. it has $*USERNAME* ans $*PASSWORD* set to "<NULL>" which leads to no avail while initramfs-hook starts logging in that target
[19:35] <Lyaa> it should be left out completly or at leadt set to =""
[19:35] <Lyaa> least..
[19:39] <Lyaa> (then the only thing that's left for me is to find out how to re-order the network module probing in initramfs to get the right eth0-device pointing into the target's direction..grr..)
[21:20] <cjwatson> Lyaa: hmm.  could I see the installer logs?  /var/log/installer/syslog and /var/log/installer/partman, particularly
[21:21] <cjwatson> Lyaa: doing something about network probing is on my list, but it won't be by way of module probe order, it'll be by remembering the right network device to use
[21:21] <cjwatson> Lyaa: I'd like a copy of iscsi.initramfs as well
[21:25] <dmarkey_> hmm.. is there a reason ubuntu still doesnt support being installed as a domU
[21:26] <Lyaa> cjwatson: hmm.. about module reordering: i've added now a file "udevrules" below /etc/initramfs-tools/hooks/ that copies over the 70-net-persistent file to initramfs image
[21:27] <Lyaa> cjwatson: that does the trick ;-)
[21:27] <Lyaa> cjwatson: so now my nics get (re)numbered according to udev-rules in the running system
[21:29] <Lyaa> cjwatson: about the log files: any  special sub part of them to nopaste? or complete logs?
[21:32] <Lyaa> cjwatson: additionaly i do not have any syslog output - i had to kill some processes (i.e sysklogd) due to low ram on that machine (i.e 64MB.. )
[21:32] <Lyaa> cjwatson: however, i have the partman log
[21:40] <Lyaa> . o 0 ( hmm .. and i've killed the lines from iscsi.initramfs rather than commenting them.. )
[21:41] <Lyaa> i guess i'm a louzy bug reporter..
[21:41] <Lyaa> :)
[21:47] <cjwatson> Lyaa: you killed sysklogd in the installer?
[21:47] <cjwatson> Lyaa: the net-persistent stuff should already be copied, if it isn't that's a bug
[21:48] <Lyaa> cjwatson: ha! .. found the original : http://paste.ubuntu.com/359236/
[21:48] <cjwatson> hmm.  indeed it isn't.  we should fix that.
[21:48] <cjwatson> Lyaa: complete logs> always
[21:51] <Lyaa> btw: kernel cmdline "... blacklist=particular_module..." is not honored either by init-premount/blacklist
[21:51] <cjwatson> hang on, I can't deal with all this at once :)
[21:51] <Lyaa> take your time :-)
[21:52] <cjwatson> Lyaa: can you answer "you killed sysklogd in the installer?"
[21:54] <Lyaa> cjwatson: right after d-i started with the dialog-menu, i switched to console 2, activetaed the busybox shell, did a "ps" and killed all tasks (i.e syslogd and klogd) to get more ram
[21:54] <Lyaa> as i said, it's a diskless machine with only 64MB ram ..
[21:55] <Lyaa> and tht seems to be too low for current d-i
[21:55] <cjwatson> drat
[21:56] <Lyaa> additionally i've unloaded some modules that were autoloaded by the installer (like: filesystems that are not used further on (i.e xfs, jfs, ..)
[22:01] <Lyaa> cjwatson: but with the generated variables in iscsi.initramfs you see from the script local-top/iscsi line 68: "${ISCSI_USERNAME:+-u "$ISCSI_USERNAME"}" that this _will_ fail obviously ;-)
[22:01] <cjwatson> yeah, I'm looking into that part of it now
 there is certainly wrong, it's just a matter of detecting that gracefully
[22:02] <cjwatson> hoping to avoid a simple string comparison
[22:02] <Lyaa> is that a string/scalar representation of a null-value?
[22:03] <cjwatson> looks like I may not have a lot of choice
[22:03] <cjwatson> apparently so
[22:04] <cjwatson> I don't see a way to distinguish between a username that's genuinely "<NULL>" and a NULL value.  OTOH "<NULL>" probably isn't allowed by the iSCSI spec anyway so ...
[22:05] <Lyaa> hmm .. don't try to parse it in the init(ramfs) script but while generating that value ?
[22:05] <cjwatson> that's what I'm doing.
[22:05] <Lyaa> no offense :-)
[22:05] <cjwatson> but the <NULL> text itself is generated inside the kernel.
[22:05] <cjwatson> so I can't actually intervene there.
[22:07] <Lyaa> so actually emit some warning during install: "what?!? no password on the target? that's insecure!" - fix your security and set a password" :-)))
[22:08] <cjwatson> no
[22:08] <CIA-35> partman-iscsi: cjwatson * r44 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog init.d/iscsi):
[22:08] <CIA-35> partman-iscsi: Cope with "<NULL>" text in username, password, username_in, and
[22:08] <CIA-35> partman-iscsi: password_in files.
[22:08] <cjwatson> ^- that
[22:09] <CIA-35> partman-iscsi: cjwatson * r45 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 11
[22:10] <Lyaa> is that also an issue for backports to 9.10..?
[22:11] <cjwatson> no, because 9.10 didn't have iSCSI authentication support
[22:11] <Lyaa> oic
[22:11] <cjwatson> not that I can effectively change the 9.10 installer anyway
[22:11] <cjwatson> it is what it was
[22:14] <Lyaa> so now i still have to dive into initramfs to get early swap on that target - still experiencing OOM there..
[22:14] <cjwatson> Lyaa: is http://paste.ubuntu.com/359249/ reasonably close to what you used in your initramfs hook?
[22:14] <Lyaa> . o 0 ( 64MB is not state of the art .. sigh )
[22:17] <Lyaa> cjwatson: I've copied the original udev from /usr/share/... to /etc/initramfs-tools/hooks/udevrules and adapted like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/359251/
[22:17] <cjwatson> I'm hoping that this fixes bug 473036
[22:19] <Lyaa> ..but it's been just a quick hack
[22:19] <cjwatson> near enough equivalent then.
[22:19] <cjwatson> (except for my inability to spell /etc/udev/rules.d, apparently)
[22:20] <cjwatson> you're copying to /lib/udev/rules.d/ instead, but udevd should look in both places.
[22:20] <Lyaa> actually, i've tried to blacklist the other nic-module using /proc/cmdline parsing by blacklist - that failed
[22:21] <cjwatson> that's outside my area of expertise
[22:21] <cjwatson> best to file it as an initramfs-tools bug, I think
[22:21] <Lyaa> but that will obviosly fail if you have two nics using the same driver
[22:22] <cjwatson> I think I might talk with our udev maintainer about this, rather than going ahead and fixing it right away
[22:22] <cjwatson> the NFS and NBD paths have essentially the same problem
[22:23] <cjwatson> and I don't see why 70-persistent-net.rules shouldn't just be universally copied in, really
[22:24] <Lyaa> yeah - that's mainly because i did now know it initramfs' "udev" is the real udev or some kind of busybox {u,m}dev that only looks in /lib/udev/rules.d/ - it's not FHS, but alas it's the initrd.. who really cares ;-)
[22:24] <cjwatson> it's the real udev but with a cut-down configuration
[22:24] <cjwatson> the reduced tools are sometimes more trouble than they're worth
[22:26] <Lyaa> actually, the devices _should be_ the same order as during install, as they are enumerated by pci-bus-id.. but again i renumbered them during install phase.. ;-)
[22:27] <cjwatson> this category of problem is what the persistent rules files are for
[22:28] <Lyaa> Alt-F2, Shell, modprobe -r nic0, modprobe -r nic1; nano /etc/udev/rules.d/70-net-persistent.net.rules and swapped eth0 with eth1, saved, udevadm control --reload; modprobe in order -> swapped names
[22:28] <cjwatson> eww.  why was that worth it?
[22:28] <cjwatson> IOW why does the naming matter?
[22:29] <Lyaa> the machine has two nics - one is on-board.. and that's the (only) one with PXE..
[22:29] <cjwatson> as long as they're the same from installer through initramfs to running system, it shouldn't matter?
[22:30] <Lyaa> and it boots from it - altering the name during boot and run mostly leads to even more fuzz..
[22:30] <cjwatson> I'm confused, and want to understand this
[22:31] <cjwatson> why does it matter whether eth0 is the PXE one?  PXE-booting should be before Linux assigns names, and independent of it
[22:31] <Lyaa> the machine detects the on-board first and does not initialize the PCI-card
[22:33] <cjwatson> sure, but udev will assign it a name that's consistent with what was available in the installer (once this initramfs hook fix is applied, wherever it goes), and with what the installed system expects
[22:33] <Lyaa> so it does PXE via the on-board, get it's IP and chainloads a gPXE image which does iSCSI .. and you have a INT13 disk whioch loads the boot loader .. that Kernel does ipconfig and initiator again
[22:33] <cjwatson> it's entirely possible for the first device that's detected to be assigned eth1
[22:34] <Lyaa> and you know by yourself, it does only probe for iSCI on device "eth0" ;-)
[22:35] <cjwatson> but that is not true?
[22:35] <cjwatson> or at any rate it is certainly not supposed to be true!
[22:36] <cjwatson> it's supposed to try bringing up all interfaces
[22:36] <Lyaa> and the other nic points in another network which does not reach the iscsi target
[22:36] <Lyaa> hmm?
[22:37] <cjwatson> ok, so the problem is not that it only probes eth0, it's that it tries bringing up all interfaces and only tries probing the first in asciibetical order
[22:37] <cjwatson> thank you, that clarifies things
[22:37] <Lyaa> it does - but the Kernel bringing the PCI card up as eth0 and tries to get a hold for the Target on that nic
[22:38] <cjwatson> the kernel does what it's told by userspace, in this regard
[22:38] <cjwatson> the kernel does not do iSCSI login by itself
[22:38] <cjwatson> as far as I can see, eth0 is not hardcoded anywhere relevant
[22:38] <cjwatson> if it is, we should fix that, but I don't believe it is
[22:39] <Lyaa> right - you may work around this by specifying "ip=all" on Kernel cmdline
[22:39] <cjwatson> whoa, wait a sec
[22:40] <cjwatson> OH, I see now
[22:40] <cjwatson> ./conf/initramfs.conf:65:DEVICE=eth0
[22:40] <cjwatson> silly thing
[22:40] <cjwatson> OK, I take it back that it isn't hardcoded
[22:40] <Lyaa> then ipconfig probes DHCP on all nics - but then booting takes like ages on timeouts when one nic has no link
[22:41] <cjwatson> so we need partman-iscsi to remember the network device used
[22:41] <cjwatson> regrettably, I'm not sure I can find this in /sys ...
[22:42] <Lyaa> hmm .. some "ip route show | grep $TARGET_SUBNET | grep_for_dev"-magic..?
[22:43] <cjwatson> Lyaa: in the installer, which device did you select at the network configuration stage?  did you select the interface that's to be used for iSCSI?
[22:43] <cjwatson> the installer normally only brings up one network device, IIRC
[22:45] <cjwatson> at the moment, I'm thinking of remembering the network device selected in netcfg in ISCSI_NETDEVICE in iscsi.initramfs
[22:46] <Lyaa> i've selected eth0 in d-i .. but that had been after I altered the device names in udev
[22:46] <Lyaa> but that should work out
[22:47] <cody-somerville> grrr... I seem to be causing Ubiquity to crash somehow. :/
[22:47] <cjwatson> Lyaa: eth0 (pre-renaming) was the right device to use for iscsi, then?
[22:49] <Lyaa> nah - Kernel, d-i, some userspace, whatever would called that nic "eth1".. so i swapped the name right before entering the "Network configuration" item
[22:49] <Lyaa> then it had been displayed as "eth0"
[22:49] <cody-somerville> cjwatson, Does Ubiquity in karmic support creating users with a blank password? UserSetupApply is failing with code 1 and thats the only thing I can think of thats different from another build I have that works fine.
[22:49] <cjwatson> OK.  So all we need to do is lose that renaming and remember that we should use eth1 at initramfs time.
[22:50] <Lyaa> cjwatson: think so
[22:50] <cjwatson> cody-somerville: only if user-setup/allow-password-empty is set to tru
[22:50] <cjwatson> true
[22:51] <cody-somerville> cjwatson, I have that. And d-i passwd/user-password{,-again} password
[22:52]  * cody-somerville takes a peak at ubiquity's source.
[22:54] <cody-somerville> It looks like I might want to use the ubiquity in karmic-updates before moving forward.
[22:57] <cjwatson> I'm not convinced ...
[22:57] <cjwatson> I suggest using ubiquity --debug in the first instance
[22:58] <cjwatson> getting a full debconf trace is usually the quickest way to attack these problems
[22:58] <cjwatson> then show the full log
[22:58] <cjwatson> (/var/log/installer/debug - use a non-valuable password!)
[23:00] <cody-somerville> /var/log/installer/debug says its failing on UserSetupApply and running it manually I see "No password supplied" repeated three times followed by "chpassword: (user ubuntu) pam_chauthtok() failed, error:\n Authentication token manipulation error.
[23:00] <cody-somerville> I'll try running ubiquity with --debug
[23:02] <cjwatson> you don't have any other odd backports of things like shadow or pam, do you?
[23:02] <cody-somerville> Nope. Just pointing at karmic.
[23:02] <cjwatson> I'm at a loss just now, then
[23:03] <cjwatson> I don't see any interesting changes in user-setup
[23:03] <cody-somerville> To be honest, I think I ran into this issue before but never bothered to look into it and just put in a dummy password instead.
[23:06] <cjwatson> Lyaa: will you be available for retesting of lucid daily builds at some later point, once we've fixed this?  if you could e-mail me at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>I can get in touch with you
[23:30] <CIA-35> user-setup: superm1 * r77 user-setup/ (debian/changelog user-setup-apply):
[23:30] <CIA-35> user-setup: Fix automatic login on situations where custom.conf didn't exist
[23:30] <CIA-35> user-setup: already on the target.
[23:31] <CIA-35> user-setup: superm1 * r78 user-setup/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.28ubuntu3


[00:09] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: ping
[00:10] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: pong
[00:10] <apachelogger> doing a video right now, so I am not really here :P
[00:11] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: Quick question... the OMAP3 image for Natty... will it fit on a 2GB sd?
[00:12] <DarkwingDuck> Or, is it like Maverick where it requires a 4GB?
[00:23] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: I don't think 2gb is sufficient
[00:23] <apachelogger> certainly not for the preinstalled
[00:24] <apachelogger> I mean, you can try, but I do not find it very likely to work
[00:24] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: Thanks.
[01:39] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I don't think you are correctly characterizing the apt default.  Try and install a package from a PPA that you don't have the key for.  It'll fail.  In either case, I still think the more conservative default (failing outright) is better.
[01:39]  * ScottK logs into a fresh chroot to double check.
[01:51] <ScottK> OK.  You're right.
[01:51] <ScottK> micahg: JontheEchidna is correct.  apt allows untrusted packages to be installed by default.
[01:51] <ScottK> I don't think that makes Muon right, I think that means apt is wrong too.
[01:52] <micahg> ScottK: true, I would agree with your assessment
[01:53] <ScottK> Do you want to file the bug?
[01:54] <ScottK> micahg: ^^^
[01:54] <ScottK> Back later.
[01:55] <micahg> ScottK: let me ask the team what they think
[06:13] <Tm_Tr> ScottK: throw me with url and I burn them later today (:
[08:38] <bambee> morning
[08:53] <Tm_T> bambee: good morning
[08:53] <Tm_T> and congrats, well deserving
[08:54] <bambee> Tm_T: hehe, thanks ;)
[09:02]  * bambee has a nice IRC cloak now :)
[09:02] <tsimpson> you didn't have to reconnect to activate it though ;)
[09:03] <Tm_T> bambee: now go and get yourself a nice kde addition to it
[09:04] <bambee> Tm_T: you mean, kde dev?
[09:04] <Tm_T> yes (:
[09:06] <bambee> Tm_T:  it's too earlier
[09:06] <bambee> but it's the next step for me :)
[09:06] <bambee> phonon <3
[10:31]  * bambee is now on planet! woo!!
[10:31] <jussi> awww, bambee learned to walk... :P Congrats bambee
[10:31] <bambee> jussi: thanks :D
[10:32] <bambee> jussi: it's just the beginning, I plan a lot of things :)
[10:33] <ScottK> Tm_T: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20110803.1/oneiric-desktop-powerpc.iso
[10:33] <bambee> 1)° get kubuntu the default OS on every PC with phonon used by ALL media players :P
[10:33] <bambee> 2)° conquer the world
[10:34] <bambee> 3)° there is no third item...
[10:34] <bambee> :P
[10:37] <bambee> apachelogger: your fan club got a new member :P
[11:06] <bambee> people.ubuntu.com is dead?
[11:06] <bambee> yofel, jussi: does it work for you?
[11:09] <yofel> Not on a pc i can try from right now :/
[11:10] <yofel> bambee: remember you need the ssh key you're using on LP for that.
[11:10] <bambee> yofel: it's my default ssh key
[11:10] <bambee> ssh -v says "Authentication succeeded"
[11:11] <bambee> "Authenticated to people.ubuntu.com ([<IP_ADDRESS>]:22)."
[11:11] <yofel> No idea then :/
[11:11] <bambee> it blocks on
[11:11] <bambee> debug1: Sending env LC_MESSAGES = fr_FR.utf8
[11:11] <bambee> debug1: Sending env LANG = fr_FR.UTF-8
[11:11] <bambee> :\
[11:11] <yofel> hm...  Got about 1.5h left till berlin.
[11:15] <yofel> Laters
[13:10]  * yofel arrived at his room
[13:49] <shadeslayer_> yofel: dude
[13:49] <yofel> hm?
[13:49] <shadeslayer_> yofel: coming to c base?
[13:50] <yofel> just sitting in my room looking at the map
[13:50] <shadeslayer_> Ok, we are about to leave
[13:50] <yofel> I'll probably go in a few mins, not sure how long It'll take
[13:50] <yofel> 30-40mins I guess
[13:50] <yofel> I hope I'll be there before 5
[13:51] <shadeslayer_> Yeah, I'm looking at it as well
[13:51] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: what about you?
[13:51] <yofel> search for bismarckallee 23 if you want to know where I'm currently
[13:54] <shadeslayer_> yofel: cya at c base
[13:56]  * yofel gets going too
[14:45] <bambee> on natty ubiquity uses 6.5% of the memory only :)
[14:45] <bambee> on oneiric yesterday it was 15.5%
[14:52] <bambee> natty <3
[14:55] <bambee> woo!! my mother love kubuntu!!! :D
[14:56] <bambee> loves *
[15:39] <trackingsquad> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Udm4KHqMAo
[16:25] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I am in warsaw making monies
[16:25] <blueyed> A dist-upgrade currently would remove a whole lot of packages, probably because of the new KDE backport?! http://paste.ubuntu.com/659384/
[16:25] <blueyed> I am on (basically) Natty, using the beta PPA (IIRC).
[16:26] <blueyed> aptitude's safe-upgrade had pulled in quite some packages already.
[16:26] <apachelogger> I think you have more ppas than that :P
[16:31] <blueyed> Yep.. ツ Just cleaning/removing some of them..
[16:33] <blueyed> It's OK to have the backports and default "ppa" for kubuntu-ppa, isn't it?
[16:36] <apachelogger> Well, yes, it should be anyway, as backports carries packages from oneiric those need to be overriding our PPA packages properly, so if backports had a problem with the updates ppa that would also be a bug in oneiric :P
[16:36]  * apachelogger wonders if that actually made sense
[16:39] <ulysses> apt-get dist-upgrade is recommended instead of aptitude, no?
[16:39] <apachelogger> yes
[16:39] <apachelogger> in fact aptitude is not supported at all
[16:39] <apachelogger> it is like russian roulette
[16:39] <ulysses> it's even not part of default install since maverick
[16:41] <blueyed> I tend to use aptitude, because it allows good resolving of upgrades and provides different solutions.
[16:41] <blueyed> Also it has a semi-interactive mode, where you can interact with it.
[16:43] <apachelogger> I am not saying it is bad, just that aptitude dep resolving it is not supported/QA'd :P
[16:51] <blueyed> Quelle surprise.. it interferes with my Debian testing/unstable sources (which are pinned at 150 though).
[17:05] <blueyed> Should kdebase-runtime-data be installed? It's still 4.6.5 for me..
[17:05] <blueyed> 4.6.5-0ubuntu1~ppa1
[17:09] <debfx> blueyed: no, it's been renamed to kde-runtime-data
[17:14] <blueyed> debfx: That explains some.. what about kdebase-apps?
[17:15] <debfx> -> kde-baseapps
[17:16] <blueyed> ok. aptitude dist-upgrade looks quite ok then: http://paste.ubuntu.com/659421/ ?
[17:22] <debfx> blueyed: yep
[17:35] <yofel> apachelogger: and when are you getting to berlin?
[17:45] <apachelogger> yofel: sunday evening
[17:47] <yofel> k
[18:06] <blueyed> what's up in berlin? (/me is living here since June, too)
[18:16] <apachelogger> https://desktopsummit.org/
[18:36] <yofel> blueyed: pre-registration party is just going on, drop by if you've got time. Many cool people here ;)
[18:42] <ScottK> yofel: Please make shadeslayer test the amd64+mac ISO so we can release it.
[18:42] <yofel> heh, he's outside somewhere, I'll look for him later.
[18:43] <ScottK> Thanks.
[18:44]  * ScottK wonders what Tm_T's excuse is ...
[18:45] <debfx> apachelogger: how do I disable subtitles in dragon player? the subtitles menu is disabled ...
[18:50] <apachelogger> debfx: by fixing dragon player's code I reckon
[19:02] <debfx> *sigh* the video player situation just gets worse
[19:16] <ScottK> yofel: Why is your pbuilder fix in Ninjas and not just in Ubuntu?
[19:17] <ScottK> debfx: If you're around, indi-apogee and prison will both hit New, so it'd be nice if you could upload them.
[19:17] <ScottK> micahg: Did you have a chance to discuss apt preferences yet?
[19:18] <micahg> ScottK: no, sorry, been distracted
[19:18] <debfx> ScottK: what's indi-apogee?
[19:19] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: One other datapoint to consider: On Android their default it to completely disallow non-Marketplace apps with a checkbox option to enable them.  I think the current Ubuntu change in Muon matches that.  Not that we should blindly ape Android on stuff, but I think it's a sign of what's a good idea.
[19:19] <ScottK> debfx: It's a driver package for indi.
[19:19] <ScottK> We got indi updated so we can build kstars, but without drivers it can't actually be used (AIUI)
[19:21]  * debfx doesn't even know what libindi is
[19:23] <debfx> I'd prefer if someone who is familiar with it uploads that
[19:25] <ScottK> shadeslayer: ^^^ please find someone familiar with it.
[19:37] <blueyed> yofel: do you mean you're at the location already? I could be there in an hour maybe.. nothing planned for tonight, but quite powered out.
[19:46] <bambee> I am on vacations from tomorrow until the next saturday, I gonna sailing, BUT I've my eepc with me, so I will probably be on IRC few evenings
[19:46] <ScottK> bambee: Have a nice vacation.  Where are you sailing?
[19:50] <bambee> ScottK: Atlantic Ocean,  "La Rochelle" , between "Nantes" and "amgouleme", South West Coast
[19:50] <bambee> thanks :)
[19:50] <ScottK> Ah.  Interesting.  I've never been there.
[19:50] <ScottK> Sounds lovely though.
[19:51] <bambee> with a sailboat 11.9 meters, a nice boat , my father loves sailing (me too) :)
[19:54] <bambee> I will probably test kde 4.7 on natty during this week
[19:54] <ScottK> Decent size.  I've sailed similar.
[19:55] <maco> boats with sails are something i never saw til i moved here, even though i grew up around boats
[19:57] <bambee> I will take photos ;)
[19:57] <Tm_T> ScottK: no excuse, I just arrived to my pc and am downloading iso
[19:57] <ScottK> Tm_T: Great
[19:58] <Tm_T> ScottK: I have results in ~30 minutes
[19:58] <ScottK> Excellent
[19:59] <Tm_T> again, no installation possible, but will try test the rest
[19:59] <bambee> everyone is at berlin ?
[19:59] <ScottK> Tm_T: No OOo on the CD due to space, but it should have all the KDE stuff you'd find on amd64/i386.
[19:59] <ScottK> bambee: No.  Not everyone.
[19:59] <bambee> ok
[20:00] <maco> ScottK: are you a couple miles from me right now?
[20:00] <ScottK> For a large value of "couple" yes.
[20:01] <maco> haha
[20:01] <bambee> +1
[20:01] <maco> meaning you're in berlin or maryland?
[20:01] <ScottK> Maryland.
[20:01] <maco> not a very large value of "couple" then
[20:01] <ScottK> But neither your work nor your home are within two miles of my house, so it requires a large value.
[20:02] <maco> fine, few!
[20:02] <maco> columbia and ellicott city are practically walking distance, right?
[20:02] <maco> ive seen ellicott ambulances like 3 streets down on snowden
[20:07] <debfx> ScottK: is it ok to add missing licenses in a patch instead of repacking the upstream tarball?
[20:07] <ScottK> debfx: OK, but not preferred.
[20:07] <bambee> ScottK: ScottK: oh you live near to Baltimore, it seems to be a nice city :)
[20:08] <ScottK> Yes.  It's an interesting place.  It's a mix of nice/modern and industrial/run down.
[20:09] <bambee> oh it's huge city too
[20:09] <ScottK> Yes.
[20:10] <bambee> everything is huge in the USA :D
[20:10] <ScottK> Also the various areas between Baltimore and Washington, DC are almost all built up so in many respects it's like one huge metropolitan area.
[20:11] <ScottK> Population density in US cities is generally far lower than European cities, so for their size they have relatively few people.
[20:13] <maco> DC has only about 500,000 people
[20:13] <maco> well ok 590,000
[20:13] <maco> which is still more than the entire state of wyoming...but...still not that many people
[20:14] <ScottK> Actually it has fewer.
[20:15] <ScottK> Wait.
[20:15] <ScottK> I was mis-remembering.
[20:15] <ScottK> It's the DC school census that's way off, not the overall one.
[20:19] <debfx> ScottK, yofel: I've uploaded prison, once it's accepted prison and qrencode need a MIR
[20:19] <ScottK> debfx: Thanks.
[20:20] <ScottK> I'll look at it in a bit.
[20:34] <bambee> DC only about 600,000? wow... I thought that the population was greater o_O
[20:51] <yofel> debfx: thanks
[20:52] <yofel> ScottK: I took that from the Debian BTS and later simply forgot about it -.-
[20:52] <yofel> also, I missed shadeslayer, so let's hope he pops in later
[20:52] <debfx> yofel: you're welcome. are you planning to push the package to debian?
[20:53] <yofel> I intended to at least, but I've no idea how to do it
[20:53] <yofel> I'll talk to svuorela, met him earlier
[20:56] <bambee> woo! my @kubuntu.org email works!!! :D
[20:57] <debfx> yofel: first step would be to open an ITP bug, http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/#l1
[21:05] <Tm_K> ScottK: seems to run, apps work, although I get occasional errors I don't get any hold of
[21:05] <Tm_K> nothing that really restricts
[21:05] <ScottK> OK.
[21:06] <ScottK> Tm_T: Could you put a result in http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/result/6221/1011
[21:06] <Tm_K> for example kwallet doesn't get activated (and thus used) with networkmanager (:
[21:06] <Tm_K> sure
[21:06] <ScottK> Interesting.  I'd suggest filing a bug on that one.
[21:07] <Tm_K> I don't have any useful logs though
[21:08] <Tm_K> aah, found
[21:09] <Tm_K> no kwalletd.desktop
[21:10] <Tm_K> quickaccess plasma widget doesn't get loaded, prolly similarly missing desktop file
[21:13] <ScottK> quickaccess has an open bug about it.
[21:13] <ScottK> Please file one on the kwallet thing.
[21:13] <ScottK> We removed quickaccess because it's dead, but forgot to remove it from the panel.
[21:13] <Tm_K> righto (:
[21:14] <debfx> Tm_K: /usr/share/kde4/services/kwalletd.desktop doesn't exist?
[21:14] <Tm_K> nope
[21:15] <Tm_K> ScottK: so, should I mark this as success anyway?
[21:15] <ScottK> Yes.
[21:15] <bambee> Is it possible with kwallet to don't ask password each time? for example each time my eepc starts the wifi is automatically connected and kwallet ask a password...  (it's for my mother everything must remain simple)
[21:15] <ScottK> I don't think so.
[21:16] <ScottK> It's been awhile since I looked into it.
[21:16] <debfx> Tm_K: that's weird, is kde-runtime-data installed?
[21:16] <yofel> debfx: k, I'll do it tomorrow, dead tired right now
[21:17] <Tm_K> debfx: is
[21:18] <debfx> bambee: use an empty password :)
[21:18] <Tm_K> bambee it doesn't ask a password when there's no one set, or what debfx said
[21:18] <Tm_K> debfx: so a bug should be filed against that package?
[21:18] <bambee> an empty password? for the keyring... why not..
[21:19] <bambee> debfx, Tm_K: I will try that, thanks
[21:20] <debfx> Tm_K: that package contains kwalletd.desktop, no idea how something could eat that file
[21:21] <ScottK> debfx: kdeutils FTBFS on powerpc.
[21:21] <ScottK> He's got an old version.
[21:21]  * ScottK forgot about that.
[21:21] <Tm_K> hmmm
[21:21] <Tm_K> bah, this gprs connection is slow
[21:21] <ScottK> persia: ^^^ If you could fire up your powerpc box and look into that it would REALLY be appreciated.
[21:22] <debfx> ScottK: the mainifest file says: kde-runtime-data	4:4.7.0a-0ubuntu1
[21:22] <debfx> that's the most recent version
[21:22] <ScottK> Oh, right.
[21:23] <ScottK> I was looking at kwalletmanager
[21:23] <ScottK> (which is in utils)
[21:23] <Tm_K> I'm puzzled now where and what I should file in a bug report (:
[21:23] <ScottK> Give us a moment.
[21:24] <Tm_K> roger, I'll get back upstairs
[21:29] <Tm_T> I didn't find any I/O errors from my logs either, a bit of a surprise
[21:31] <ScottK> Ah.  Right.  That was kdesdk.
[21:31] <ScottK> kde-runtime-data is arch :all, so it's got to be there.
[21:32] <ScottK> Tm_T: If you're sure it's /usr/share/kde4/services/kwalletd.desktop that's missing, file the bug against kde-runtime.
[21:36] <Tm_T> that file isn't there in my live session
[21:37] <Tm_T> actually, I tried with "find /user -iname 'kwalletd.desktop'" too, no hits
[21:38] <ScottK> OK.
[21:38] <ScottK> And kde-runtime-data is installed (it must be)?
[21:38] <Tm_T> it is
[21:38] <ScottK> Weird.
[21:39] <Tm_T> indeed
[21:39] <Tm_T> I/O errors could have explained it somewhat, but as there's no those being seen...
[21:41] <ScottK> You might grep /var/log/installer/ for any information about the package.


[00:12] <BenChapman> evening
[11:06] <airurando> ebel: it looks like I'll be going to Limerick on 03 Dec 11.
[11:07] <ebel> ok. would you like to bring some CDs down?
[11:07] <ebel> I can meet up or post out to you or what would you like?
[11:07] <airurando> If UHD goes ahead on 02 Dec 11 I could pick up a load of CDs to bring down to infoturtle
[11:08] <ebel> kewl
[11:09] <airurando> I suppose I could bring some for ucl milklabs and the learning centre.
[11:09] <airurando> I'll talk numbers with infoturtle and get back to you.
[11:13] <ebel> sure thing
[11:13] <ebel> let me know how many ye need
[11:26] <airurando> Silly me ucl should have been UL
[11:27] <slashtommy> careful now, don't be giving them too many letters!
[11:27] <airurando> I've sent him a DM on twitter.  Once I hear back I'll let you know.
[11:27] <slashtommy> ebel: don't forget we're off to limerick at the weekend
[11:28] <slashtommy> and may have sometime on sunday afternoon before our train home
[11:28] <ebel> of course!
[11:28] <ebel> well i'm not sure, depends on when my mum wants to leave
[11:28] <ebel> so we miiight/might not have time
[11:30] <slashtommy> if anyone was to meet us at the train station, it would take no more than 2 minutes
[11:30] <ebel> yes good point
[11:31] <slashtommy> our train is at 4.30pm - so i would suggest if anyone in limerick wants CDs to meet us at 4pm in the station
[11:32] <ebel> Right I've messages infoturtle on twitter.
[11:32] <ebel> we have several backup plans
[11:34] <czajkowski> aloha
[11:35] <ebel> yo czajkowski
[11:36] <slashtommy> hello czajkowski, ready for your trip back home?
[11:37] <czajkowski> kinda
[11:40] <slashtommy> we are considering having an ubuntu hour on 2nd december, to mark your return
[11:45] <slashtommy> what's your plan?
[11:47] <ebel> They have a plan.
[11:47] <ebel> There are 6 czajkowski models.
[11:48] <czajkowski> oh cool
[11:48] <czajkowski> um no idea
[11:51] <slashtommy> well, we could bring you back to the 'batter... some good pubs there!
[11:55] <czajkowski> waiting to know by next tuesday if I am going or not
[11:55] <czajkowski> kinda depends on some stuffwill keep ye posted
[11:55] <czajkowski> thanks :)
[13:55] <czajkowski> ebel: slashtommy do either of ye havea  camera fitted to your helmet for when ye bike around? any recommendations?
[13:55] <ebel> czajkowski: yes that's how we take the vidfeos
[13:56] <slashtommy> http://youtube.com/slashtomeu
[13:56] <czajkowski> nods
[13:56] <czajkowski> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Drift-HD170-Stealth-Action-Camera/dp/B004L5AF4Q/ref=dp_cp_ob_ce_title_2
[13:56] <czajkowski> dont know much
[13:56]  * slashtommy wants to see a picture of czajkowski on a hog
[13:56] <czajkowski> was wondering whats what
[13:56] <czajkowski> slashtommy: no chance the biy likes his bikes
[13:56] <czajkowski> me no so much
[13:56] <slashtommy> ebel knows more
[13:57] <czajkowski> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Contour-GPS-Full-Helmet-Camera/dp/B00426DQ2W/ref=dp_cp_ob_ce_title_3  seems to be everywhere or at least the brand si
[13:57] <slashtommy> you should get on the bike ;)
[13:57] <czajkowski> nope
[13:57] <czajkowski> not a hope in hells chance that will ever ever happen :)
[13:57] <slashtommy> tis fun, what does he ride?
[13:58]  * slashtommy will let ebel post a link to the camera we use
[13:58] <czajkowski> um
[13:58] <czajkowski> a I know it's big
[13:58] <czajkowski> and it's a bmw
[13:58] <czajkowski> and he's selling his suzuki
[13:58] <ebel> we have one of these http://driftinnovation.com/hd170-action-camera/
[13:58] <slashtommy> that reminds me, i have more video of wicklow that i still need to edit
[13:59] <slashtommy> on SD mode it works in wide-angle mode - major improvement and makes the video appear to be normal speed
[14:00] <ebel> czajkowski: yeah the drift if the one we have
[14:00] <slashtommy> if you're not in wide-angle mode, you miss out on the peripherial vision which then makes all the video seem much slower than real life
[14:00] <ebel> brb
[14:00] <czajkowski> nods
[14:00] <czajkowski> so I should buy a SD card also with it ?
[14:01] <slashtommy> cztab: are you bring your boy back home?
[14:01] <czajkowski> aye for xmas
[14:01] <slashtommy> you would need a few SD cards
[14:01] <slashtommy> and i take it that this questioning is for xmas... ;)
[14:01] <czajkowski> yup
[14:01] <czajkowski> ok so max size is 32
[14:02] <czajkowski> how many hrs would that get you ?
[14:02] <slashtommy> many
[14:02]  * ebel returns
[14:02] <slashtommy> battery would probably get you first
[14:02] <ebel> yes you'll need a SD card with it
[14:02] <czajkowski> ok
[14:02] <ebel> we have a 16GB one, it takes about 5 hours of footage
[14:02] <slashtommy> ebel is best to advise, all i know is that you're best to stick with SD
[14:02] <czajkowski> ok they're on amazon for about 29
[14:02] <czajkowski> so not too bad
[14:02] <ebel> the drift does several resolutions, 480, 1020ish and 1280
[14:02] <czajkowski> will have a look more and see if its worthwhile
[14:03] <czajkowski> thanks for the info lads
[14:03] <ebel> sorry 480, 720, 1280
[14:03] <ebel> 1280 is HD
[14:03] <slashtommy> http://youtube.com/slashtomeu - all those videos are shot with that camera in SD
[14:03] <ebel> we usually use 720 which is DVD quality
[14:03] <ebel> if it's in 720 then it has a 170 degree field of view, basically wide angle
[14:03] <ebel> if it's 1280 then it's like normal
[14:03] <czajkowski> nods
[14:04] <czajkowski> ok
[14:04] <czajkowski> cheers :D
[14:04] <ebel> we always use 720 with the windangle
[14:04] <ebel> you can see here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rorymccann/5822416632/in/set-72157626938588538/
[14:05] <ebel> actually
[14:05] <ebel> i'm a bit confused, might be getting mized up
[14:05] <ebel> anwyays the wide angle is great
[14:05] <ebel> cause it means you really don't have to aim it
[14:05] <slashtommy> aye
[14:06] <ebel> About 75% of the video footage we took (on a cheaper camera) of european bike tour is rubbish. Just the sky or something
[14:06] <ebel> which was very annoying
[14:06]  * slashtommy hopes czajkowski's boy buys here some gear and a helmet for xmas ;)
[14:06] <slashtommy> her*
[14:06] <ebel> And the drift has a little screen
[14:06] <slashtommy> ebel: we must go again
[14:07] <ebel> So i used to sit on the bike, take a photo, then look at the photo on the little screen and check that it was ok befor eheading off
[14:08] <ebel> I think the countour has an iphone app (with an android app coming soon™) that allows you to view out the camer
[14:08] <ebel> so it's like a little broadcast. you can uise the iphone as a remote control view finder
[14:08] <ebel> actually this http://www.flickr.com/photos/rorymccann/5822416632/in/set-72157626938588538/ must be the HD non-widescreen
[14:09] <ebel> One annoying thing with the shitty one (that cost ~ €50) was that everything looked slow
[14:10] <ebel> Whereas with the wideangle, since you can see so far to the sides, you can see road & bushes etc whizz by. Makes it look *much* faster.
[14:10] <ebel> so you look at the video and go "Crumbs, I don't remember going that fast!"
[14:10] <ebel> (Conversely, when looking at the old one, it was like "wow, we werent' going that slow, were we?"
[14:11] <ebel> wideangle is great for when you move you head around. One problem with the old non-wideangle one was that you (& your head) move around when riding a bike
[14:11] <ebel> So the video is very jerky. However with a wideangle it's much less of a problem, since the viewer is able to keep the important parts in view
[14:11] <slashtommy> wideangle is definitely the way
[14:13] <ebel> this is a wideangle view http://www.flickr.com/photos/rorymccann/5855915667/in/set-72157627004907232 and you can see the walls at the side whizz past,  but that's cause you're almost looking due left
[14:14] <ebel> However, i used my old strap for the the drift, You get a few velcro things with the drift, and some clips, so I dunno how great that is
[14:14] <ebel> You also get a little remote control with the drift to turn it on/off. it's real handy
[14:15] <ebel> I've attached it to the side of my tank bag
[14:16] <ebel> You can slightly see the fish-eye/wideangle in these 2 photos http://slashtom.eu/displayimage.php?album=28&pos=1 http://slashtom.eu/displayimage.php?album=28&pos=0
[14:17] <ebel> You can see what it looks like strapped to the helmet here: http://slashtom.eu/displayimage.php?album=28&pos=8
[14:19] <ebel> the drift comes with a halfsize battery so you can take about 4 hours of video
[14:19] <ebel> We bought a bigger one here: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Drift-HD170-Long-Life-Battery/dp/B0046ZG7OI/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1321539522&sr=8-2
[14:19] <ebel> and it will last all day
[14:23] <ebel> For the record a 40 minute video is about 2.5GB
[14:24] <ebel> There are several other popular camera for bikes, GoPro, Contour etc.
[21:30] <BenChapman> evening ubuntu folk :)
[21:31] <moylan> hi
[21:32] <airurando> hi moylan
[21:32] <moylan> sorry for missing last nights irc meetup.  slept through it.
[21:33] <airurando> good you got some sleep
[21:33] <airurando> :)
[21:34] <moylan> had tried to time been out earlier in the day and sleep time to be there but no such luck.
[21:35] <airurando> not to worry. plenty more of them in the future
[21:35] <airurando> did you read the logs?
[21:35] <moylan> not yet.  was going to have a rummage last night but will get to them tonight.
[21:36] <czajkowski> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2011/11/17/new-ubuntu-loco-council-announced/
[21:36] <czajkowski> meet most of your new loco council : )
[21:37] <moylan> hi czajkowski, a year in the uk?
[21:37] <czajkowski> yup
[21:37] <czajkowski> time flew!
[21:38] <airurando> congrats czajkowski
[21:38] <czajkowski> thanks
[21:38] <czajkowski> :)
[21:38] <czajkowski> 2 more years
[21:40] <airurando> aye, well deserved.
[21:41] <czajkowski> thanks
[21:41] <moylan> agreed


[15:37] <Odd_Bloke> blackboxsw: rharper: https://github.com/isaacs/github/issues/1303#issuecomment-595231303 looks relevant
[15:38] <rharper> Odd_Bloke: oi!
[15:38] <Odd_Bloke> So it sounds like GitHub changed behaviour, and has now reverted that change due to it causing exactly the sort of issue that we saw.
[15:38] <rharper> "We made a change yesterday that will be causing that."
[15:38] <rharper> dang
[15:38] <Odd_Bloke> And Fred was just unlucky when it came to the timing of the merge.
[15:38] <rharper> so, in the face of that, do we still want to leave it as it is? or force push to fix ?
[15:39] <Odd_Bloke> I think we should make very sure we attribute Fred in the release notes/changelog appropriately, but I don't think a force push is worth it for this, frustrating as that is for Fred.
[15:39] <rharper> "By doing so, you have the last word in "authoring" the resulting squashed commit."   -- so if the sqaush/merger has the last word;   it's not clear to me how we make sure it's the PR author in there; do we include Author: <...> in the commit message ?
[15:40] <Odd_Bloke> They've reverted the change, so I don't think we need to do anything.
[15:41] <Odd_Bloke> https://github.com/isaacs/github/issues/1303#issuecomment-595595284 is the latest info.
[15:41] <rharper> heh, until it is; I guess the fact that in the UI it's not clear who is getting the Authorship is my concern
[15:41] <Odd_Bloke> "the PR author becomes the squashed commit's author"
[15:41] <rharper> right; I wonder how we can see that in the UI
[15:41] <Odd_Bloke> I don't know that we can.
[15:41] <rharper> =(
[15:42] <rharper> someone gets to be unlucky again
[16:41] <Odd_Bloke> Yeah. :/
[16:49] <Odd_Bloke> Did one of us cause https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/236 to be submitted?
[16:50] <blackboxsw> Odd_Bloke: I was wondering that too.
[16:50] <rharper> not me
[16:50] <Odd_Bloke> powersj: ?
[16:50] <blackboxsw> figured we'd talk in github meeting today
[16:50] <rharper> yeah
[16:50] <blackboxsw> not I said the fly
[16:50] <rharper> lol
[16:51] <blackboxsw> and did this rennovate plugin also cause/trigger the 'wip' action to run on https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/214
[16:52] <blackboxsw> or is the wip action another magic 'thing' that just showed up too
[16:52] <blackboxsw> separately
[16:52] <powersj> I think someone installed it for the canonical org and enabled it for us as well
[16:53] <Odd_Bloke> Aha, that makes sense.
[17:14] <blackboxsw> thanks for the review rharper on https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/214   addressed comments (and dropped a bunch of duplicated doc content I hadn't meant to preserve
[17:18]  * blackboxsw is only ec2 secondary ipv4/ipv6 support branch https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/214
[17:18] <blackboxsw> then will hit the review queue for cloud-init
[17:19] <blackboxsw> I mean ec2 PR is https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/114
[17:19] <blackboxsw> https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/1c229570-cf51-4374-8dd2-55648e940164
[18:17] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: Thanks for the review on that pytest branch, we definitely ended up in a better place as a result. :)
[18:18] <Odd_Bloke> blackboxsw: Your request changes (on https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/211) is blocking it from landing, could you take a look when you have a minute?
[19:04] <blackboxsw> Odd_Bloke: definitely. rharper I see you approved https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/214
[19:04] <rharper> blackboxsw: yes, looks good now
[19:04] <blackboxsw> so my question really is,  (given ubuntu feature freeze) what we should do with 214 and 211
[19:04] <rharper> we landed and uploaded our bug fixes, right ?
[19:04] <rharper> and 214 has an FFE< right ?
[19:05] <blackboxsw> rharper: bug fixes are landed, and 214 is FFe
[19:05] <blackboxsw> but 211 should probably land too, but it's not an FFe or bug-fix really
[19:05] <rharper> we have two ffes right ?
[19:05] <rharper> are they both done yet ?
[19:05] <blackboxsw> rharper: 214 is 'done' and 114 is in progress and I probably can finish it today
[19:06] <blackboxsw> ec2 secondary nics
[19:06] <rharper> I have a feeling that 211 ?
[19:06] <blackboxsw> ec2 secondary ips I mean
[19:06] <rharper> oh right, 211 (pytest) 214 (sys_info in instance-data), and secondary ips (114)
[19:07] <rharper> heh, "old"
[19:07] <blackboxsw> yeah should've done the secondary ips a looong time ago ... ahh well
[19:07] <rharper> lacking a clear answer here, I'd ask in #ubuntu-devel on , or read more on FFE w.r.t whether we can do a new-upstream-snapshot into focal or if we have to cherry pick  and then cleanup when we do first SRU into focal after release


[04:13] <nixnine> hey guys, have a question.  Why does my cpu usage go up 40%+ when I log in to facebook in firefox?
[21:39] <bkerensa_LA> chrisccoulson: could you enable trusty builds for the daily ppa firefox?


[12:51] <vil> doko: ping
[12:52] <doko> vil: pong
[12:55] <vil> doko, I tried to make that package of bioclipse in multiverse, but was not able to pass it through pbuilder because sun-java5-jdk won't install if you don't agree with the licence.
[12:55] <vil> is there any way, how you can use sun-java5 for compiling the multiverse packages?
[12:57] <doko> wait ...
[12:59] <doko> well, you need to preseed the value for the license, then pbuilder should not complain
[01:00] <vil> pbuilder is not a problem for me, but i worry that the build will fail at the build server
[01:15] <vil> doko, what do you think about build server? how can i preseed the value there?
[01:56] <doko> the buildd admins need to do that
[01:59] <vil> ok, i will ask them


[02:19] <zxmpi> winter time. listens to wind and rain outside. perfect timing
[12:28]  * penguin42 yaaawwwwwwwnnnns
[13:28]  * zxmpi goes seeking porridge
[14:15] <daftykins> Windows used to handily tell you that daylight savings had applied, no clues these days
[14:16] <daftykins> i will have to use the manual clock on my oven as a reference point to know anything has changed xD
[14:32] <zxmpi> my dumb nokia is my oven clock. it has a set time automatically but only works if data is turned on
[14:33] <zxmpi> i just tell my psion summer time is over and it sorts everything out
[14:34] <daftykins> yay oven said 3:27 so now i know where i stand!
[14:35] <zxmpi> time to reset oven by https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/
[14:35] <daftykins> oh yeah easy peasy
[14:35] <m0nkey_> daylight savings needs to go
[14:36] <m0nkey_> if it's too dark, just use night vision goggles
[14:36] <zxmpi> now at aldi 89.99
[14:39] <daftykins> available in the produce section, because farmers
[14:43] <zxmpi> oops, had to set wrist watch


[04:33] <SammyWest> I'm curious, can you actually program on ubuntu touch? or do you have to use a external ide?
[04:33] <Stanley00> SammyWest: what kind of program?
[04:34] <SammyWest> python, c, c++, c#, assembly? things like that
[04:34] <Stanley00> SammyWest: the default ubuntu touch image doesn't have any compiler...
[04:34] <Stanley00> SammyWest: but, you can code with python and bash
[04:35] <SammyWest> ok sweet, does it have a built in make script?
[04:35] <SammyWest> for open source stuff?
[04:35] <Stanley00> SammyWest: make script for all ubuntu touch? I'm not sure
[04:36] <SammyWest> you know how regular linux distros have the make file for installing programs right?
[04:36] <SammyWest> do they have that for ubuntu touch lol
[04:36] <SammyWest> or dpkg installer? or any other basic bash commands?
[04:37] <Stanley00> SammyWest: ah, I see
[04:37] <Stanley00> SammyWest: first, the system partition is read-only, so you can't do as much as with your pc
[04:38] <SammyWest> yeah i was dissapointed when i found that out when i first bought it, sense then been looking for ways to hack into the rom lol
[04:38] <Stanley00> there's apt installed, but you can't use it to install
[04:38] <SammyWest> yeah i noticed lately they haven't been working well with the ppa repositories and stuff
[04:38] <Stanley00> SammyWest: well, you can always remount /, but I will not recommend that :P
[04:40] <SammyWest> yeah thats true, i had to install linux on a uefi laptop i had cause i didn't want windows on it lol
[04:40] <SammyWest> i could probably hack it that way lol
[04:42] <Stanley00> SammyWest: I personally prefer another chroot system on sdcard
[04:42] <SammyWest> such as a partition?
[04:42] <Stanley00> SammyWest: which is actually archarm, and I installed all my needed cli apps there
[04:42] <Stanley00> SammyWest: I just use a normal folder
[04:43] <SammyWest> ahhh, wait is it a ntfs file system or journaling?
[04:43] <SammyWest> or does that really matter on arm
[04:44] <Stanley00> SammyWest: well, I think I missed something, the chroot is actually on my ~, not sdcard, sorry
[04:45] <SammyWest> and i think my os is directly on my rom, no sd card in my nexus
[04:47] <Stanley00> SammyWest: well, you know, you can always loop mount an ext4 rw image file
[04:48] <SammyWest> sweet, ill have to goof off with it, i can always access my books and stuff from the store anyway. I appriceate it! ill have something to do while im off work this week now lol
[04:49] <SammyWest> oh, one quick thing, any roms you might reccomend for programming directly on tablet? or would ubuntu touch allow for that?
[04:51] <Stanley00> SammyWest: I once compiled keyboard plugin for my ubuntu touch within my chrooted ubuntu image on the phone, but it's bad for the phone, I should have used cross compile on my pc instead
[04:52] <SammyWest> ahh so you'll still need the external ide?
[04:53] <Stanley00> SammyWest: yeah, I can run cli app with chroot, not GUI, so no IDE there. You must use PC for IDE.
[04:54] <SammyWest> ok i appriceate that!
[04:54] <Stanley00> but I heard that BQ M10 has something insteresting about running X apps, so maybe, you can run IDE in future.
[04:54] <SammyWest> nice, well i was wanting to program tkinter on android rather then the apk
[04:58] <SammyWest> well mr stanley, thanks for the techno talk! needed to figure that out a bit. i gotta get to bed. have a good one!
[06:57] <kaisoz> hi
[06:58] <Stanley00> kaisoz: hi
[07:44] <sebsebseb> hi
[09:35] <Flohack> Morning! Anyone here to help with Mir/EGL issues on a port?
[10:00] <duflu> sil2100: This should say "released", no?   https://launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+milestone/13
[10:00] <duflu> It's apparently not marked as released yet
[10:01] <sil2100> Oh, possibly yes, let me do that
[10:01] <sil2100> Thanks for noticing! It's always Pat doing this cleanup
[10:01] <duflu> sil2100: No worries. My work here is done.
[10:26] <greyback> Flohack: it's better to just ask your question, and if someone knows, they might chime in
[10:26] <Flohack> Ok here is my question: is there a custom EGL config necessary for new devices? Found this in the compositor log, which I dont have right now: No egl config found or smth like this
[10:27] <Flohack> Also, inches for the display and size are 0. Resolution is detected correctly.
[10:28] <Flohack> See screenshot in this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-one-x/help/ubuntu-touch-hox-experiment-device-t3457461
[10:29] <greyback> Flohack: egl configs are coded into the egl implementation, you don't set them yourself. That message usually means setting up the egl context has gone wrong
[10:30] <Flohack> Yes Im afraid this is true. Any way to debug this?
[10:31] <greyback> Flohack: maybe grab https://github.com/libhybris/libhybris/blob/master/hybris/tests/test_egl.c and see how far it gets
[10:32] <greyback> logcat may have errors that might be useful
[10:32] <Flohack> Oki thanks. By the way, how is the spinner being displayed? is this via framebuffer or smth like that
[10:32] <greyback> framebuffer
[10:32] <Flohack> Oki clear. But already this graphics is damaged
[10:32] <Flohack> Logcat is here: http://pastebin.com/RCcBULBy
[10:33] <greyback> damaged how?
[10:33] <Flohack> Look at screenshot in XDA thread ;)
[10:33] <Flohack> see above
[10:36] <greyback> Flohack: well I see a bunch of "E/libEGL  (    0): validate_display:262 error 3008 (EGL_BAD_DISPLAY)" errors in the log, definitely something to investigate
[10:36] <Flohack> greyback: I checked with another device, this seems to be perfectly normal during startup
[10:37] <Flohack> This is lightdm log: http://pastebin.com/w9iF8bFU
[10:37] <greyback> Flohack: with my experience of gl, if something is wrong, first place to look is gl errors
[10:37] <Flohack> First I want to know why I get broken spinner graphics. Seems to not use the framebuffer in the right way or idk...
[10:38] <greyback> Flohack: unity-system-compostor is not a good thing to debug. Stop it, and try using mir-demo-shell and some simple clients to check rendering
[10:39] <greyback> they'll be more verbose if things are wrong too
[10:39] <greyback> (install mir-demos)
[10:39] <Flohack> Is there any documentation on this? Im at work and can only try in the evening
[10:39] <greyback> I agree the framebuffer looks misconfigured somehow
[10:40] <Flohack> e.g. the compositor is called by lightdm scripts? Where to comment/replace it? Im fine with upstart scripts, but I can´t twist my head around this bringup of the GUI...
[10:40] <greyback> Flohack: pretty basic: http://unity.ubuntu.com/mir/using_mir_on_android.html
[10:41] <greyback> Flohack: correct, lightdm brings up USC. "sudo initctl stop lightdm" <- should stop it for you
[10:41] <Flohack> Oki and mir demo shell can then take over (or not)
[10:42] <greyback> yeah
[10:43] <greyback> there are tests in the mir-android-diagnostics package which are good to run too
[10:44] <Flohack> good. will try to do this. Besides I also dont have network now... Should the wifi interface be visible immediately after boot?
[10:44] <Flohack> Or more precisly how is Ubuntu handling the Android wifi drivers
[10:54] <greyback> Flohack: no idea about the wifi, sorry. I assume wifi operates through usual kernel interface, so usual tools should work (iwconfig, networkmanager, etc)
[10:56] <Flohack> Oki thanks. Dont have it in the list, however kernel is dealing with it: [    4.072102] endeavor_wifi_power: Powering off wifi
[10:56] <Flohack> So it seems to be disabled maybe, and need to be switche don again?
[10:59] <Flohack> Is there a cmdline that controls the WiFi radio being on or off, or how is that communicated from the GUI to the kernel
[11:05] <greyback> Flohack: "rfkill" can enable/disable wireless, use "nmcli" for more advanced wifi stff
[11:07] <Flohack> [   13.381118] rfkill: input handler disabled
[11:07] <Flohack> hmmm :)
[13:18] <la_juyis_> hi! anyone has tried using an otg cable to both use a pendrive *and* charge at the same time?
[13:50] <dobey> la_juyis_: is there an otg cable that can do that?
[14:01] <jgdx> Laney, hey, what do you mean by “disruptive” in https://code.launchpad.net/~laney/ubuntu-system-settings/lp1631997/+merge/308065 ?
[14:01] <Laney> jgdx: release is in two days
[14:02] <jgdx> Laney, but if yakkety is yakkety overlay, then we're good?
[14:03] <jgdx> (in bileto)
[14:03] <Laney> That's out of my remit :P
[14:03] <pmcgowan> dont we need this for the yaketty unity8 session at release?
[14:03] <pmcgowan> or ok to sru?
[14:13] <kaisoz> hi there
[14:17] <Flohack> Hi
[14:33] <Laney> pmcgowan: it's in the release already
[14:33] <Laney> trunk needs to be synced back up
[14:35] <pmcgowan> ack
[15:02] <la_juyis_> dobey: apparently there's a double ended cable, with a female and a male usb connector
[15:05] <dobey> la_juyis_: i guess it might work. better would be a cable that had both a female micro-usb as pass-through, and a female usb-a or usb-c for the otg
[16:21] <om26er> oSoMoN: around ?
[16:21] <oSoMoN> om26er, not for much longer, but yes :)
[16:21] <om26er> oSoMoN: my browser got no sound in unity8 desktop session, help ?
[16:22] <om26er> its been like that for a few months, reinstall didnt help
[16:22] <oSoMoN> om26er, do you get sound in unity7 ?
[16:22] <om26er> oSoMoN: yes, i do
[16:22] <oSoMoN> om26er, can you check app logs and apparmor denials?
[16:23] <om26er> oSoMoN: wait actually no
[16:23] <oSoMoN> no sound in unity7 either?
[16:23] <om26er> oSoMoN: there is no sound in unity7 as well
[16:23] <oSoMoN> om26er, and I assume other browsers (including chromium) do have sound
[16:24] <om26er> oSoMoN: yes chromium works fine so does firefox in unity7
[16:24] <om26er> oSoMoN: want me to show any logs ?
[16:25] <oSoMoN> om26er, please file a bug report and attach app logs and any relevant apparmor denials from syslog
[16:25] <oSoMoN> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webbrowser-app/+filebug
[16:26] <om26er> oSoMoN: will do, quickly if this rings any bell
[16:26] <om26er> audit: type=1400 audit(1476203137.626:287): apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" profile="webbrowser-app" name="/dev/shm/lttng-ust-wait-6-1000" pid=11539 comm="QQmlThread" requested_mask="r" denied_mask="r" fsuid=1000 ouid=1000
[16:26] <oSoMoN> that one should be harmless
[17:50] <flohack> Hi again
[17:50] <flohack> so I am searching my WiFi interface... ifconfig doesnt see it, rfkill doesnt see any switch...
[18:00] <dobey> flohack: maybe you are missing the driver, or the binary blob isn't being loaded for some reason?
[18:01] <flohack> no the android container is fine it seems... hmm
[18:03] <flohack> lsmod gives
[18:03] <flohack> mac80211              419397  1 wl12xx
[18:03] <flohack> st_drv                 23308  4 fm_drv,gps_drv,btwilink,hci_if_drv
[18:03] <flohack> cfg80211              175220  2 mac80211,wl12xx
[18:04] <flohack> wl12xx is also loaded ;)