[06:48] <fabbione> test
[06:48] <fabbione> good :)
[06:50] <lifeless> kthxbye
[07:38] <brmassa> guys, i forgot to redit my personal info when reinstalled my system and now some commits are considered as another person. how can i fix it?
[07:40] <Peng_> brmassa: Uncommit them.
[07:40] <Peng_> Unfortunately.
[07:41] <brmassa> !!! really?
[07:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about really? - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:41] <Peng> Haha. Nice, ubotu.
[08:10] <Lo-lan-do> Hi all
[08:14] <Lo-lan-do> I'll paste this http://paste.debian.net/35561 now, in order not to lose the URL for when jelmer comes around.
[08:17] <lifeless> brmassa: yes, we don't support editing commits; doing that essentiall changes data that is meant to be irrevocable.
[08:17] <brmassa> hmmm
[08:18] <brmassa> i was thinking about "merging commiters" or alias...
[08:18] <brmassa> something like this...
[08:21] <Lo-lan-do> lifeless: Irrevocable, but still uncommittable :-)
[08:22] <brmassa> lifeless, i saved my gpg on my pendrive. once i reinstalled my ubuntu, how can i import them back? launchpad keeps complaining..
[08:22] <fullermd> Well, uncommit doesn't revoke it.  It just deports it   ;)
[08:25] <lifeless> brmassa: uhh, dunno what you mean
[08:25] <lifeless> mvo: grats
[08:25] <mvo> hey lifeless, thanks
[08:34] <kanhaiya_kk> NamNguyen: Hi
[08:34] <kanhaiya_kk> good morning
[08:36] <NamNguyen> kanhaiya_kk: hello
[08:46] <kanhaiya_kk> Actually , yesterday due to network prob. i cant clear my points
[08:49] <kanhaiya_kk> NamNguyen: i tried this "bzr check http://<IP_ADDRESS>/~ignu/water" from .17 m/c
[08:49] <kanhaiya_kk> NamNguyen: but how to open that file here ?
[08:49] <NamNguyen> kanhaiya_kk: what file?
[08:50] <kanhaiya_kk> means any file from water dir. ?
[08:50] <NamNguyen> kanhaiya_kk: bzr check is different from bzr checkout
[08:50] <NamNguyen> please try again with bzr checkout
[08:51] <kanhaiya_kk> okay wait
[08:52] <kanhaiya_kk> NamNguyen: yes, now i can edit file..
[08:52] <NamNguyen> good
[08:52] <kanhaiya_kk> after this i have to do bzr commit and then bzr rspush na ?
[08:56] <kanhaiya_kk> NamNguyen: but then also i have confusion. before i tried bzr branch on .17 machine and now im trying bzr checkout. what is the difference in both commands ?
[08:57] <lifeless> branch makes a new line of developemnt, checkout works on the existing branch like svn or cvs do
[08:57] <NamNguyen> kanhaiya_kk: one follows centralised model, the other (branch) follows decentralised model
[08:58] <kanhaiya_kk> okay..means bzr checkout is right for me.
[08:58] <kanhaiya_kk> good
[08:58] <kanhaiya_kk> but still....one sec
[08:58] <AfC> Unless, of course, you don't have write access to the branch you're checking out, in which case you end up doing decentralized development anyway.
[08:59] <lifeless> NamNguyen: uhm, thats a confusing way to describe it. Because in a cental model using 'branch' is the way to make a new (centralised) branch.
[08:59] <kanhaiya_kk> sorry.....confusion is increasing
[08:59] <NamNguyen> lol
[09:00] <kanhaiya_kk> :(
[09:00] <lifeless> NamNguyen: 'branch' is useful in both centralised and decentralised scenarios. 'checkout' is also useful in both workflows though it is strongly biased towards centralisation.
[09:00] <kanhaiya_kk> after checkout.and after doing editing.when i do commit...it is giving me some errors.
[09:00] <kanhaiya_kk> some write_lock errors.
[09:01] <NamNguyen> lifeless: branch is not necessary after you have a bzr init on the working dir, am i correct?
[09:01] <lifeless> NamNguyen: EPARSE
[09:01] <spiv> kanhaiya_kk: right, HTTP is read-only.
[09:01] <AfC> Yet another one burned by read only checkouts. {sigh}
[09:01] <kanhaiya_kk> so how should i commit changes to my main servere ?
[09:01] <AfC> kanhaiya_kk: if you don't mind being adventurous and learning a few new concepts,
[09:01] <kanhaiya_kk> hmmm
[09:02] <lifeless> kanhaiya_kk: SFTP probably is easiest.
[09:02] <NamNguyen> kanhaiya_kk: use sftp
[09:02] <kanhaiya_kk> im ready for anything...actually, here im learning very new things
[09:02] <lifeless> kanhaiya_kk: use a SFTP URL to your branch.
[09:02] <kanhaiya_kk> means no commit...directly sftp
[09:02] <kanhaiya_kk>  ?
[09:02] <NamNguyen> kanhaiya_kk: you tried to use http://192.168.xxx.16/~ignu/water
[09:02] <AfC> kanhaiya_kk: wait a sec - a) is this an existing public project or are you starting fresh, b) do you have ssh access to the server in question
[09:02] <AfC> ?
[09:03] <NamNguyen> now try it with sftp://192.xxx.xxx.16//home/~ignu/water
[09:03] <NamNguyen> erm, i missed a public.html in that URL
[09:03] <lifeless> a better usel might be sftp://192.168.xxx.16/~/public_html/water
[09:03] <AfC> lifeless: sftp assumes ssh privs, right? So why would you not recommend bzr+ssh:// ?
[09:03] <lifeless> AfC: less dependencies.
[09:04] <kanhaiya_kk> NamNguyen: i tried this bzr rspush sftp://<IP_ADDRESS>/~/public_html/water
[09:04] <kanhaiya_kk> but getting error bzr: ERROR: Invalid rsync path u'sftp://<IP_ADDRESS>/~/public_html/water/'.
[09:04] <lifeless> AfC: don't need bzr installed on the remote end. This is therefore easier to get started, and bzr+ssh can be added in easily.
[09:04] <fullermd> Well, he's got bzr on the server since he's (or was the other day) update'ing the WT there.
[09:05] <kanhaiya_kk> AfC: yes this is existing project and ssh is also working
[09:05] <lifeless> fullermd: I don't know these thigns :)
[09:05] <AfC> ~ doesn't work over the wire, does it? As I recall, you need to use absolute path names
[09:05] <fullermd> lifeless: Well, you have a life, and don't watch IRC all night   ;)
[09:05] <lifeless> AfC: sftp://host/~/foo works.
[09:05] <lifeless> I believe its documented in bzr help
[09:05] <AfC> lifeless: how about that
[09:05] <lifeless> we treat /~/ as 'dont cd at the remote end'
[09:05] <fullermd> Yah.  bzr+ssh doesn't interpolate ~'s, but sftp does.
[09:06] <lifeless> AfC: sftp is on by default if ssh is IME
[09:07] <AfC> Probably just gun shy from the bad old days. Certainly ssh.com's ssh2 didn't have it on by default, and it was a pain in the ass to get working
[09:07] <NamNguyen> kanhaiya_kk: sorry i've never used rspush, my guess is your URL could probably be changed to rsync://... instead of stfp:// if you're going to use rsync?
[09:07] <AfC> Whatever - never would need to use sftp anyway, given the fact that I can invoke the server via ssh
[09:09] <spiv> kanhaiya_kk: why are you using "rspush" instead of "push"?
[09:09] <lifeless> AfC: oh yes well. openssh for th win :)
[09:10] <AfC> lifeless: indeed.
[09:11] <AfC> kanhaiya_kk: any luck writing to an sftp:// URL yet?
[09:11] <NamNguyen> kanhaiya_kk: bzr checkout sftp://192.168.xxx.16/~/public_html/water
[09:12] <AfC> spiv: because he has a certain plugin package installed, which vastly inflates the command namespace, which causes new users to agonize over which command they're supposed to use, which inevitably leads to people not realizing a) what the core commands were and b) that they had all the power needed all along
[09:13] <spiv> AfC: thanks for answering the meta-question ;)
[09:14] <fullermd> Or perhaps because he was pointed at it because of his desire to have an up-to-date WT on the server.
[09:15] <AfC> fullermd: that certainly would be a useful capability. I was quite saddened when I was told by the developer that it would never be included in bzr, even though it seems a natural thing to do automatically and transparently if you already have bzr+ssh as a transport.
[09:59] <Peng> Holy crap. You know that file bzr takes like 35 seconds to diff? Hg takes 8.
[10:13] <poolie> Peng, it would be interesting if you could merge that C patience diff patch recently posted and measure that
[10:16] <Peng_> poolie: Yeah, it would probably help.
[10:16] <Peng_> I have to admit I just Tailored that branch over to hg, and the .bzr repo is on another partition, but I could check it.
[11:16] <ubotu> New bug: #135234 in bzr "Checkout should record relative paths (dir move problem)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135234
[11:34] <glogiotatidis> hello
[11:34] <glogiotatidis> is everyone available to help me with a prob?
[11:35] <glogiotatidis> everyone = anyone ;)
[11:36] <glogiotatidis> I am using bzr push sftp://host/path to push a repo
[11:36] <glogiotatidis> and bzr claims to have commited a branch
[11:36] <glogiotatidis> but only .bzr exists on host/path
[11:36] <glogiotatidis> am i doing something wrong?
[11:38] <fullermd> No, that's what's supposed to happen.
[11:38] <fullermd> (you _are_ pushing a branch, not a repo)
[11:39] <glogiotatidis> but if I bzr push /tmp/site pushes everything
[11:39] <glogiotatidis> when I use sftp acts like this
[11:39] <Kinnison> The sftp transport does not support working trees
[11:39] <Kinnison> where the local file transport does
[11:40] <fullermd> Local pushes will create working trees, because it's reasonable to manage them that way.  Remotely, it's not.
[11:40] <Kinnison> so pushing over sftp will not update/create a working tree
[11:40] <glogiotatidis> ok and how can I push a dir remotely?
[11:40] <Kinnison> a dir?
[11:41] <Kinnison> Do you mean with working tree?
[11:41] <glogiotatidis> yes
[11:41] <Kinnison> You could ssh to the machine afterwards and do a bzr update
[11:41] <fullermd> The nearest official way would just be to use bzr on the server to co/update it, either manually or via a hookish method like push-and-update.
[11:42] <glogiotatidis> hmm I got it
[11:44] <glogiotatidis> what I want to do is to update my website on my hosting provider
[11:44] <glogiotatidis> is there a way you use to do that? (maybe better than this?)
[11:45] <fullermd> Well, my websites get updated via make(1) and install(1)...
[11:46] <fullermd> If you've got shell access and bzr installed there, the above will work.  Failing that, rsync is probably your easiest bet.
[11:48] <glogiotatidis> ok I will try this, thanks for your help!
[12:02] <yoavb> hi, I installed bzr v0.15 and am trying to migrate my svn repository to it using svn2bzr.py (v0.6)
[12:03] <AfC> yoavb: step 1: upgrade to bzr >= 0.18.
[12:04] <yoavb> I got deprecation errors and then crashed, should it resolve this?
[12:05] <yoavb> This was the error: ./svn2bzr.py:426: DeprecationWarning: bzrlib.branch.initialize was deprecated in version 0.8.
[12:05] <yoavb>   os.makedirs(branch_path)
[12:05] <yoavb> ./svn2bzr.py:91: DeprecationWarning: bzrlib.branch.BzrBranch5.working_tree was deprecated in version 0.8.
[12:05] <yoavb>   branch.__wt = branch.working_tree()
[12:05] <yoavb> Traceback (most recent call last):
[12:05] <yoavb>   File "./svn2bzr.py", line 575, in ?
[12:05] <yoavb>     if __name__ == "__main__":
[12:05] <yoavb>   File "./svn2bzr.py", line 568, in main
[12:05] <yoavb>     svn2bzr(dump_file, opts.args[1] , creator_class,
[12:05] <yoavb>   File "./svn2bzr.py", line 501, in svn2bzr
[12:05] <yoavb>   File "./svn2bzr.py", line 362, in run
[12:05] <yoavb>     elif node_kind == "dir":
[12:05] <yoavb>   File "./svn2bzr.py", line 428, in add_dir
[12:05] <yoavb>     self._branches[unpref_path]  = branch
[12:06] <yoavb>   File "./svn2bzr.py", line 91, in _new_branch
[12:06] <yoavb>     branch.__wt = branch.working_tree()
[12:06] <yoavb>   File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/bzrlib/symbol_versioning.py", line 121, in decorated_method
[12:06] <yoavb>     return callable(self, *args, **kwargs)
[12:06] <yoavb>   File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/bzrlib/branch.py", line 1486, in working_tree
[12:06] <yoavb>     raise NoWorkingTree(self.base)
[12:06] <yoavb> bzrlib.errors.NoWorkingTree: No WorkingTree exists for file:///tmp/repository/butils/.
[12:06] <lifeless> yoavb: please use a paste bin rather than pasting such things in the discussion channel. Also read what AfC said to you.
[12:07] <lifeless> night all
[12:12] <mwhudson> night lifeless
[12:36] <Hattory> hi, I wanted to know as I can contribute to the translation of the Italian homepage: http://bazaar-vcs.org/PaginaIniziale
[12:36] <Hattory> There are some errors
[12:39] <Odd_Bloke> What's the accepted way of sanitising Unicode strings so they can be displayed on an ascii-encoded output?
[01:38] <Hattory> i want to edit the italian homepage.... i can take as reference the English hompage? I can translate all?
[01:50] <AfC> Hattory: (unless the page itself is locked,) the Bazaar website is a wiki so you can just go ahead and edit it
[01:55] <Hattory> it's open ;D....... i look other hompage (fr, ja ecc...) and they have not translate all.... therefore I wanted to know what I could make
[01:56] <Hattory> Therefore I can write every thing?
[04:15] <Lo-lan-do> jelmer: Following your advice, I tried to upgrade my bzr-svn branch, but I ran into problems.
[04:16] <Lo-lan-do> jelmer: http://paste.debian.net/35561
[04:44] <jelmer> Lo-lan-do: how public is that repository, could I download a copy of it from somewhere?
[04:47] <Lo-lan-do> The SVN repo cannot be accessed anonymously unfortunately, but I can upload my branch somewhere if that helps.
[04:48] <Lo-lan-do> I'll upload a tarball of the branch, with the code and the .bzr dir (but not the .bzr.backup)
[05:00] <Lo-lan-do> Uploading to http://mirobole.placard.fr.eu.org/~roland/tmp/gforge-trunk+bzr.tar.gz -- ETA 15:30 UTC (half an hour, give or take a few minutes)
[05:02] <ssh_rdp> Hi, Is the bazaar encrypted branch (SoC2007 Project) usable now?
[05:06] <bigon> hi
[05:06] <bigon> I have a question, is it possible to add a post-commit hook on a remote branche?
[05:12] <jelmer> Lo-lan-do: thanks
[05:29] <Lo-lan-do> jelmer: Upload complete.  Beware, it's 119 MB.
[05:45] <ollie> stupid question maybe, but should applying a v0.9 bundle on win32 using 0.18 work?
[05:46] <ollie> doing "bzr merge foo.bundle" results in: "Nothing to do"
[05:46] <ollie> searching for "bundle" in the bug tracker didn't result in any hits that looked promising
[05:50] <jelmer> ollie: Means all revisions have already been merged
[05:54] <ollie> jelmer: I don't see them in the log
[05:59] <jelmer> hmm, not sure then
[06:00] <jelmer> what does 'bzr missing path-to-bundle' output ?
[06:01] <ollie> bzr: ERROR: Not a branch C:/.../file.bundle/ (from "bzr missing file.bundle")
[06:05] <dato> ollie: do you mean a 0.9 or 0.90 bundle?
[06:06] <hsn_> ah, bzr still at rc1
[06:08] <ollie> dato: # Bazaar revision bundle v0.9
[06:08] <dato> okay
[06:31] <ubotu> New bug: #135320 in bzr "bzr merge - exceptions.UnicodeDecodeError" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135320
[06:46] <Lo-lan-do> Hey, whacky idea: is there a bzr-baz plugin in the works? :-)
[07:56] <jelmer> Lo-lan-do: there was a spec for it at some point
[07:57] <jelmer> but I don't think there is anybody working on it
[08:07] <james_w> abentley: thanks.
[08:31] <ollie> can anyone suggest a way to test if a bundle is ok?  I've got a bundle generated on windows that I've tried to merge on both windows and os x; using 0.18 on windows and bzr.dev on os x; both tell me there's nothing to do
[08:40] <james_w> ollie: how did you generate the bundle, i.e. what command and arguments did you use?
[08:41] <ollie> james_w: I didn't -- a submitter sent it to me
[08:41] <ollie> as it turns out, after a couple hours of head-banging, I noticed my editor say its encoding is x-UTF-16LE-BOM
[08:41] <ollie> which seems to be the issue
[08:42] <ollie> since saving as utf-8 at least tells me line endings aren't \n
[08:43] <ollie> "nothing to do" isn't the greatest error message, though
[08:44] <james_w> there is a hidden command called 'bundle-info', try running that and seeing if it reports that there are actually revisions in it.
[08:46] <ollie> on os x, using bzr.dev I get told it's an unsupported bundle version
[08:46] <ollie> though, when I try to merge it, I get told it won't because of a missing revision (locally)
[08:46] <ollie> on windows, using 0.18 (from the installer), it says there's no such command
[08:48] <james_w> so you now have a different response on osx?
[08:48] <ollie> sorry, I thought I'd said I was using bzr.dev on os x and 0.18 on win32
[08:48] <ollie> trying to indicate it's not working anywhere (for me)
[08:49] <james_w> if you read the bundle and find the revision id of the final revision then you can see if it has been installed in your repository by running bzr log -r revid:<revid> in the branch that you are trying to merge in to.
[08:49] <james_w> you said "both tell me there's nothing to do", but a missing revision is not "nothing to do"
[08:50] <ollie> yes, I did say that -- I've fed 3 bundles into 2 different versions of bzr
[08:50] <ollie> 1: x-UTF-16LE-BOM encoding; 2: saved as utf-8; 3: line-endings converted from \r\n -> \n
[08:51] <ollie> w/1: "nothing to do"; w/2: wrong line ending; w/3: can't apply because revision is missing
[08:52] <ollie> sorry if I sound short -- I'm frustrated and I don't think there's anything that can be done to actually apply this bundle
[08:53] <ollie> anyway, thanks for trying to help, james_w
[08:55] <james_w> no problem.
[08:55] <james_w> if you just want to apply then patch will do so.
[08:56] <james_w> 3 sounds like you have been sent on a bundle that is based on a revision that only you user has.
[08:59] <james_w> if you look at the parent id of the last revision in the bundle it should be one of your revisions if you want to apply it using bzr.
[09:03] <ollie> james_w, yeah, it just took a lot of doing to get that far -- and I was surprised that rather than be told the input was bad, bzr said "nothing to do"; also, it's a bit surprising that "bzr merge bundle" says it can't because of the missing parent, but bundle-info says the bundle version isn't supported
[09:04] <ollie> I mean, if merge can figure out it can't apply the bundle -- surely there's some level of support there ;-)
[09:04] <james_w> bundle-info was broken for a while because it is hidden command, and only Aaron used it.
[09:04] <ollie> ah, ok
[09:05] <james_w> I think that you are getting "nothing to do" because the bundle parser skips stuff that it doesn't understand, and you ended up with nothing, and so got "nothing to do"
[09:05] <james_w> would you like to file a bug explaining the issues you are having, and telling us how the output could have been more helpful?
[09:06] <ollie> skips stuff it doesn't understand is pretty crummy
[09:06] <james_w> I guess bundle with no revisions should get and extra message, "nothing to do, empty or corrupt bundle?"
[09:06] <bwinton> So, XML is pretty crummy too?  :)
[09:06] <ollie> sure, i'll file a bug; I mean from a expectation point of view, if it doesn't like it, it should say so -- not just pretend it doesn't exist ;-)
[09:06] <james_w> it's just working how patch does, so that you can for instance merge from an email without having to extract the right bits.
[09:32] <siretart> hi EtienneG.
[09:32] <EtienneG> siretart !
[09:32] <EtienneG> how ya doin' ?
[09:32] <siretart> how are you?
[09:32] <siretart> :)
[09:32] <siretart> thanks fine!
[09:32] <EtienneG> I am not so bad
[09:32] <siretart> are you working on getting bzr 0.90 to gutsy?
[09:33] <siretart> I've notice that it is in debian for some time
[10:33] <lifeless> mroning
[10:41] <lifeless> james_w: have you had someone do the release stuff you need done ?
[10:52] <james_w> morning lifeless.
[10:53] <james_w> Aaron merged everything, I'm building the release now, so I will need someone to upload, will you be available?
[11:00] <lifeless> james_w: sure thing
[11:09] <james_w> lifeless: http://jameswestby.net/bzr/bzr-0.90.tar.gz
[11:09] <james_w> and http://jameswestby.net/bzr/bzr-0.90.tar.gz.sig please
[11:10] <lifeless> on it
[11:14] <lifeless> james_w: done
[11:14] <james_w> lifeless: thanks.
[11:44] <james_w> lifeless: there is an item on the checklist to update doc.bazaar-vcs.org. I guess that may be important here with Ian's docs in directories change going in. Are you able to do it or should I ask someone else?
[11:49] <lifeless> Uhm, I'm not sure where it is; poolie is most knowledgable
[11:56] <james_w> thanks, I'll speak to him.
[12:02] <abentley> ollie: When you give merge a URL, it tries to open it as a bundle.  If that fails, it tries to open it as a branch.  Evidently your bundle was in a branch that you were up-to-date with.


[00:09] <gene420> any one have any thoughts on loading xen on an existing ubuntu 8.04 dual xeon server with iptables and ufw , apache server install??
[00:13] <mattt> gene420: what do you mena?
[00:13] <mattt> *mean
[00:14] <gene420> will the routing tables ppoe connection be affected
[00:14] <mattt> that i'm not sure about :/
[00:32] <gene420> any suggestions on making a backup of the server
[00:34] <giovanni> Enter text here... Hello has anyone setup bind 9, and know how to change the setting on Godaddy?
[01:07] <reid> can anyone here help me get VNC to connect? =P
[01:07] <reid> to ubuntu-server running fluxbox
[01:13] <twb> reid: did you install a VNC server?
[01:19] <reid> twb: yes
[01:19] <reid> twb: sorry I was in a different channel
[01:20] <reid> twb: afaik I created an X session as well, on screen 1
[01:28] <twb> reid: on unix, VNC is separate from X.
[01:28] <twb> If you are seeing X on the local head, you have done it wrong.
[01:59] <maodun> I set up a function ssh server a while back and let it sit for a while. I recently tried to connect to it and timed out. When I hooked up a keyboard and mouse and moved around a bit, the ssh server went back up again. Presumably, the machine had gone into some sort of sleep mode or hibernation - any idea where I might disable this?
[01:59] <maodun> s/function/functioning
[02:00] <maodun> s/a while back/a few months ago
[02:01] <twb> If it's an ubuntu-server install, it shouldn't "go to sleep" just because nobody is typing on its local console.
[02:02] <maodun> unfortunately, it wasn't a server install
[02:02] <twb> Unless you installed ubuntu-desktop type stuff, in which case it might
[02:02] <twb> I dunno what's responsible for that in modern systems, though.
[02:03] <foxbuntu> maodun, what type of ssh server is that? (OpenSSH?)
[02:03] <maodun> foxbuntu: yes
[02:03] <foxbuntu> maodun, what version of Ubuntu is it?
[02:05] <foxbuntu> maodun, if your not sure you can run this from a terminal to find out: lsb_release -a
[02:05] <maodun> foxbuntu: hmm, i'm not sure where i get the ubuntu version info. the kernel version is '2.6.27-9-generic'
[02:05] <foxbuntu> ok
[02:05] <maodun> intrepid, ubuntu 8.10
[02:05] <foxbuntu> maodun, I would guess you have power save mode enabled
[02:06] <foxbuntu> maodun, System > Preferences > Power Management
[02:06] <maodun> foxbuntu: i'm on a headless machine atm
[02:06] <maodun> how can i check from the cl
[02:06] <foxbuntu> uh
[02:07] <foxbuntu> hmm, Im not totally sure, let me figure it out
[02:07] <maodun> sorry, 'When I hooked up a keyboard and mouse' actually meant when I had someone do it for me remotely, at an earlier time
[02:08] <foxbuntu> maodun, no worries, just haven't tried to do it this way in quite some time
[02:09] <foxbuntu> maodun, no worries, just haven't tried to do it this way in quite some time
[02:13] <foxbuntu> maodun, I think you cna do it with this: setterm -powersave off
[02:16] <maodun> foxbuntu: hmm, ok, i'll give that a shot. thanks!
[02:16] <foxbuntu> maodun, np
[04:51] <lawlzfries> i wish to upgrade from debian testing/unstable to intrepid. I currently have hoary packages installed, but i cannot run do-release-upgrade, because testing/unstable is not in the meta-release file. I was wondering if i could change my dist to hoary.
[04:53] <genii> Geez, Hoary
[04:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> your running debian testing with ubuntu hoary packages?
[04:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> did i read that correctly?
[04:55] <lawlzfries> i tihnk most of them are hoary packages, yes
[04:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> backup and reinstall. you'll have problems forever if you try and "upgrade" that to intrepid
[04:57] <lawlzfries> so there's nothing i can do? i don't have physical access to the machine.
[04:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> nothing you can do nicely, no. (how you've got hoary packages running on debian testing though, thats the question i'm interested in)
[04:59] <ajmitch> Kamping_Kaiser: it was possible - I switched from sid to hoary just by upgrading packages a few at a time
[04:59] <lawlzfries> well i just switched over my sources.list, ran apt-get dist-upgrade, i ran into a few errors because debian's dpkg didn't support "Break", so i found a version on launchpad that worked
[04:59] <ajmitch> that's asking for trouble
[05:00] <genii> Absolutely
[05:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> ajmitch, yeah, its possible (i've done it too), but the work required to get the thing moved over is huge, then you hae wierd bugs as things dont /quite/ work as expected from old files
[05:00] <ajmitch> upgrades across that many releases are not supported because of the amount of transitional code that has to be carried to support those upgrades
[05:01] <lawlzfries> what's the best way of getting ubuntu on this machine if I don't have physical access to it?
[05:03] <ajmitch> with such an install as you have now, it'd be a challenge to find something that'll work
[05:04] <twb> lawlzfries: set up a preseed image, so that it installs without asking questions
[05:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> lawlzfries, what level of "I don't have physical access" are we talking?
[05:04] <twb> lawlzfries: or, start a d-i install and anna-install ssh, so you can log into it remotely and complete the install.  That will requre remote monkey hands, though
[05:05] <twb> lawlzfries: finally, if you can access the existing OS, and it is Not ShitTM, you can do an "install from existing Unix system" as described in the installation guide.
[05:05] <lawlzfries> Kamping_Kaiser, it's across the atlantic
[05:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> lawlzfries, thats pretty far.
[05:05] <twb> I recommend against that last, though, because it's a bitch to get grub working properly in that case.
[05:05] <foxbuntu> lawlzfries, what he is getting at is, can you have someone else get access or no?
[05:06] <foxbuntu> I should say "What I think he is getting at"
[05:06] <lawlzfries> oh, sorry I'm a bit of a noob, i can, but the hosting company takes a really long time to do anything :(
[05:07] <foxbuntu> lawlzfries, is this some kind of dedicated server you own?
[05:07] <lawlzfries> i rent it
[05:07] <foxbuntu> ...or did you start installing all of this on some rent-a-server's machine?
[05:08] <lawlzfries> rent-a-server's machine
[05:08] <foxbuntu> well then you have not allot of options then
[05:09] <foxbuntu> im really surprised you have root access to it
[05:09] <lawlzfries> why wouldn't i? i'm renting it
[05:09] <lawlzfries> and it's not a managed server
[05:09] <foxbuntu> oh that explains it
[05:10] <foxbuntu> well back to the point here... sory for the tangent
[05:11] <foxbuntu> I think your really only going to be able to reload the machine as well
[05:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> my advice is pay someone to put in a cd
[05:11] <foxbuntu> otherwise it will likely be unstable forever
[05:12] <twb> lawlzfries: are you able to call the colo monkey on the telephone and tell him what buttons to press?
[05:13] <lawlzfries> i can email them and ask them to load ubuntu on the box, but it'll likely take them a week or so, and i was hoping that i could do this more quickly
[05:14] <lawlzfries> but if i can't, that's just what i'll do
[05:15] <foxbuntu> lawlzfries, well, gl
[05:15] <lawlzfries> just as a last attempt before i email them, can i somehow convince do-release-upgrade that i'm actually running hardy?
[05:15] <ScottK> No.
[05:16] <ScottK> The thing to do (generically) is add old-releases.ubuntu.com to your sources list.
[05:16] <ScottK> I don't think that will help in this case.
[05:17] <lawlzfries> yeah i don't think it will. I would really like to thank everyone who helped me out here! none of that "GTFO
[05:17] <lawlzfries> RTFM" stuff that i've been told about that comes along with the linux community
[05:19] <genii> Thats good to hear once in a while
[05:20] <foxbuntu> yup
[05:20] <foxbuntu> too bad thats turning out to not be so much the case for the UF however
[05:22] <twb> UF?
[05:23] <foxbuntu> Ubuntu Forums
[05:23] <ScottK> The admins there do ban people if there are complaints.
[05:24] <foxbuntu> yea...but it seems like every other thread is a flame war anymore
[05:24] <ScottK> I watched a number of them whining to get their posting rights back in a forums council meeting last week.
[05:24] <ScottK> Dunno.  I'm not a forums kind of guy.
[05:24] <twb> Yeah, well.  IMO forums are for people who don't know how to use a newsreader, nor an MUA.
[05:24] <foxbuntu> yea
[05:24] <ajmitch> for a vaguely on-topic question, does ubiquity support setting up LVM & RAID yet, or should I do a fresh install with a jaunty server ISO?
[05:25] <twb> It doesn't suprise me if web forums are more juvenile than other fora.
[05:25] <twb> cjwatson might know.
[05:25] <twb> I haven't checked lately.
[05:26] <ajmitch> switching hardware to amd64, so I might install ubuntu for a change
[05:26] <ScottK> ajmitch: I vaguely remember something about LVM.  No promises.
[05:30] <twb> ajmitch: if you're installing a server, you should use the server CD anyway -- that DOES support LVM and software RAID, because it uses d-i
[05:31] <twb> Also note that (obviously) amd64 hardware will still run your existing i386 install just fine
[05:31] <ajmitch> twb: it doubles as my personal desktop at work, so I'm not too concerned either way
[05:31] <ajmitch> amd64 because it'll be getting 4GB RAM
[05:32] <twb> IIRC i386 can address up to (and incuding) 4GiB directly...
[05:32] <ajmitch> and it's currently running debian unstable
[05:32] <ajmitch> it can, but the kernel tends to reserve ~800MB or so last I recall
[05:32] <twb> If you say so.  I haven't tried it myself.
[05:32] <twb> Making a server "double" as a desktop is a great way to end up with an unreliable server.
[05:33] <ajmitch> it only really runs samba for 2 other systems in the office, and is used for development
[05:33] <ajmitch> nothing onerous
[05:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm.. release party in 3 hours.
[05:37] <foxbuntu> Kamping_Kaiser, Pacific Time?
[05:37] <ajmitch> I wouldn't mind getting to one of them one day
[05:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> foxbuntu, AU central.
[05:37] <twb> Hehe, you actually call it "central time"?
[05:37] <foxbuntu> Kamping_Kaiser, ah
[05:38] <ajmitch> twb: what else would it be, AESTminusalitltebit?
[05:38] <twb> ajmitch: probably "ah, who cares about .sa.au anyway time"
[05:38] <ajmitch> true
[05:38] <twb> I'm just used to only hearing "central" in the .us context
[05:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> twb, or +9.30, but sometimes thats confusing for people ;)
[05:39] <twb> Kamping_Kaiser: you offset by an half-hour?  That's daft.
[05:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> twb, not my fault!
[05:39] <twb> Unless you're talking about DST (which is daft of itself).
[05:39] <twb> I mean, .wa.au is +8 and .vic.au is +10, so by rights .sa.au ought to be +9
[05:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> here is either +9.30 or +10.30 depending on DST
[05:40] <ajmitch> and .nz +12
[05:40] <ajmitch> which is far easier to remember
[05:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> twb, yes, but that would make sense.
[05:42] <foxbuntu> and im -6 :(
[05:42] <foxbuntu> ;)
[05:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> foxbuntu, ;o get with the program
[05:43] <foxbuntu> I will be when I arrive at UDS :D
[05:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe. wheres the next one?
[05:43] <foxbuntu> Barcelona
[05:43] <ScottK> I've lived on UTC, so it was always 0.
[05:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, ok
[05:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> no matter my offset, its just reached "food" oclock. (at least some things arn't affected)
[05:48] <foxbuntu> lol
[05:48]  * foxbuntu is eattin as well
[05:48] <ScottK> Once this SRU is finished building, it's off to bed with me.
[05:49] <ScottK> OTOH, it's intrepid.  It's not like anyone still uses that.
[05:49] <ScottK> Good night all.
[05:50] <lamont> NCommander: Linux zx 2.6.28-6-ia64-generic #20-Ubuntu SMP Fri Apr 17 08:31:56 UTC 2009 ia64 GNU/Linux
[05:50] <lamont> upgrade from intrepid+hardy kernel
[06:03] <twb> At least .sa.au has Internode.
[06:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> twb, hehe.
[06:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> used to be better, but still pretty good
[06:22] <foxbuntu> 24M connection at home would be nice
[06:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeah. wouldnt it just (no comment from the smug Finnish or Japanese at this point kthx)
[06:25] <twb> There used to be a site called something like goodbye-telstra.com which had graphs (graphs!) and pie charts (charts!) showing just how shit .au internet was compared to other developed nations.
[06:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> hadnt heard of that site
[06:27] <twb> I can't find it anymore
[06:27] <twb> I think it was probably s/telstra/bigpond/ and s/goodbye/something else/, though
[06:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> i could probably find it via whingepool, but i'm not /that/ interested ;)
[06:28] <twb> If you find it, let me know.
[06:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> will do.
[06:33] <foxbuntu> twb, the US is the worst of the bunch
[06:40] <twb> foxbuntu: you pay USD80/mo for 1.5mbps down, 256kbps up, with a 10GB download cap?
[06:41] <foxbuntu> ok, thats bad
[06:41] <foxbuntu> twb, personally no, but I do know of people that do around here
[06:42] <foxbuntu> and they dont get 1.5 up
[06:42] <twb> foxbuntu: that's the cheapest internet you can get in .au
[06:42] <foxbuntu> er down i mean
[06:42] <twb> And obviously that's a theoreticaly 1.5 down, not actual.
[06:42] <foxbuntu> wel lright
[06:42] <foxbuntu> well right*
[06:43] <twb> Admittedly you can get ADSL2+ speeds for around another USD15/mo, but only if you live in the inner city.
[06:43] <twb> It's a bit stupid because instead of sharing infrastructure, each top-tier ISP installs their own DSLAMS into each exchange.
[06:43] <foxbuntu> thats helpful
[06:44] <twb> So if you want ADSL2+ with a decent ISP, you have to wait longer, even if a shit ISP has an appropriate DSLAM in your exchagne.
[06:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> twb, when theres $15/mo telstra tax on using their ports, you avoid it :|
[06:45] <twb> Kamping_Kaiser: I was going by internode pricing for ADSL2+ on an agile/optus dslam.
[06:46] <twb> Or are you talking about why ISPs use their own infrastructure?
[06:46] <twb> (If the latter, then I totally agree.  But it's bollocks that ISPs are put in that position by the carrier.)
[06:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> twb, refering to why they use their own gear
[06:48]  * Kamping_Kaiser is on a 'node dslam with adsl2+ (getting adsl1 speeds though)
[06:48] <twb> I haven't tried lately because there's a week-long wait feeling all hopeful "maybe they'll have an open port for me this year!" before the inevitable disappointment.
[06:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh
[06:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> i was on the waiting list for the dslam while they built it. only took 8 months ...
[06:49] <foxbuntu> lol
[06:50] <foxbuntu> ok, I dont feel so bad about my -6 offset then ;)
[06:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> haha
[07:34] <VK7HSE> Kamping_Kaiser: I'd be interested in that site if you find it too !!!
[07:59] <AnRkey> can cupsys recieve lpr jobs?
[08:00] <AnRkey> I have a setup with lprng on a site and we need to do normal printing too from the ubuntu desktops. How do I get the Ubuntu printing substystem to use lpr instead of cupsys?
[08:01] <ivoks> cups can connect to lpr
[08:11] <twb> AnRkey: do you just want an lpr binary that users can call?
[08:11] <twb> Oh, lprng
[08:21] <AnRkey> yeah, soz was afk for a bit
[08:22] <AnRkey> we need an service that our AS400 server can print back to on the clients
[08:22] <AnRkey> everyone uses lpr
[08:25] <cjwatson> ajmitch: no, it doesn't, sorry
[08:28] <AnRkey> bbl, gotta run
[09:09] <shardz> Howdy; I'm running a squid cache on 8.04; I've installed squid-cgi with apt, but when I try to use the cgi script, I get a "connection refused" when logging in. Standard squid behaviour is to let the user access non-sensitive data without supplying a password. Could this be a bug in squid-cgi?
[09:09] <shardz> Well, the ubuntu package, since the squid one apparently works. I tested the non-cgi cache manager with squidclient and /that/ works fine, pointing again to the cgi script.
[09:09] <shardz> I'm a bit at a loss as to what to do.
[09:28] <kraut> moin
[09:29] <shardz> morgen
[09:30] <shardz> Know anything about my problem? ;)
[11:00] <tobuntu> hi all
[12:33] <Doble> hey folks i am trying to set up ubuntu as a xen server guest but i can't install the xentools package ... when I try to mount the CDrom I get a huge pile of exception errors, and the disk that the xen docs tell me to mount doesn't exist (/dev/xvdd) .. any suggestions?
[13:01] <sourcemaker> how can I install ubuntu server with encrypted FS (LUKS LVM) ?
[13:01] <sourcemaker> like the alternative installation...
[13:15] <Doble> can anyone tell me how to run a scipt? I'm trying "sudo Linux/install.sh" but I recieve "Command not found"
[13:23] <pan1nx> hi
[13:23] <pan1nx> anybody know why the dm-snapshot.ko is removed from linux-image-generic?
[13:29] <soren> pan1nx: CONFIG_DM_SNAPSHOT=y
[13:29] <soren> pan1nx: It's compiled in.
[13:49] <sourcemaker> why is there only the feature encrypted private directories in the ubuntu server edition?
[13:50] <pan1nx> lol, thanks soren
[14:24] <iulianpojar1> ubuntu 9.04  right now on www.ubuntu.com
[14:24] <ikonia> we know
[14:29] <VK7HSE> currently upgrading my server to Jaunty \o/ I let you know if I strike trouble! (you will hear me screaming!!!)
[14:38] <henkjan> hmm, To buy Landscape as a stand-alone service please go to www.canonical.com/contact/sales
[14:39] <MagicFab> henkjan, are you having trouble ordering ?
[14:39] <henkjan> no, i'm just rereading it
[14:39] <yann2> weird, I am using Ubuntu to use opensource, now canonical asks us to put a blackbox in our network :)
[14:40] <henkjan> and wondering if it means that I can buy landscape and run it from my own server
[14:41] <MagicFab> henkjan, no, that's standalone as in "not part of a support contract".
[14:42] <MagicFab> yann2, no one is asking *you* ;)
[14:43] <MagicFab> The client is GPL btw so no such thing as a blackbox in your network is involved in using Landscape.
[14:43] <henkjan> MagicFab: too bad
[14:43] <MagicFab> henkjan, what's too bad
[14:45] <Veyasu> Anyone have any experience with encrypted raid 5? I know how to make a raid 5, and figuring out how to encrypt it shouldn't be too hard, but what about resizing an encrypted raid partition, or extending it? and will a setup like that be more vulnerable to failure?
[14:45] <henkjan> MagicFab: don't like the idea of putting customers data on canonicals servers
[14:46] <MagicFab> henkjan, so don't. It's just another option. I also wish it was all open source. The powers that be have decided otherwise for this particular offering.
[14:48] <henkjan> MagicFab: i don't need it to be open source or free. I'm happy to pay for it. I just don't like the fact that canonical has access to al our customers data
[14:50] <MagicFab> henkjan, I don't have details right now with me of that part of Landscape, but feel free to ask it. I can relay it to the Landscape dev team.
[14:51] <MagicFab> Landscape is primarily par of support so.. essentially that means that we provide you support, and that requires access to the data.
[14:52] <MagicFab> my contact info is on my LP page too (http://launchpad.net/~magicfab)
[14:54] <yann2> MagicFab > out of interest, how many canonical customers use landscape?
[14:54] <yann2> MagicFab > always been wondering how it was going to work for servers with no access to internet :)
[14:55] <MagicFab> henkjan, I am involved to a certain extent with Landscape, however this FAQ may help:
[14:55] <MagicFab> https://help.landscape.canonical.com/FAQ
[14:55] <MagicFab> it's growing furiously so I can'tkeep up with it specially during release, but it may have an answer for you.
[14:55] <MagicFab> yann2, you know if I told you I had to kill you. And I'd be dead :)
[14:56] <MagicFab> yann2, offline, it queues stuff and does it when it reconnects.
[14:56] <henkjan> MagicFab: okay, thanx. i'll have a look
[14:56] <yann2> no I mean, with no access to the internet, like, it should not have one for security reasons
[14:57] <MagicFab> yann2, well, Landscape may not be for you then :)
[14:57] <yann2> just trying to find the corner cases to annoy you *runs*
[14:57] <MagicFab> an on-site Landscape server may help
[14:58] <yann2> definitely, but then the license would be problematic...
[15:04] <jcastro> soren: now that release is done can you commit to some openweek goodness?
[15:06] <ttx> jcastro: a release is done, a sprint starts...
[15:07] <MagicFab> jcastro, "done? " :D
[15:07] <jcastro> heh
[15:08] <soren> jcastro: I'm afraid not. I simply don't have time to prepare anything useful.
[15:08] <jcastro> no worries
[16:16] <tclineks> where's Jaunty JeOS?
[16:16] <soren> tclineks: On the server cd.
[16:17] <soren> tclineks: Press F4 on the boot screen, choose minimal install.
[16:17] <tclineks> gotcha
[16:20] <tclineks> can i move from the generic kernel to the jeos kernel?
[16:39] <biosed> Email problem, "Linux 2.6.27-7-server #1 SMP Tue Nov 4 20:16:57 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux", Can't send mulitple email from script, no problem with one or two, can anyone help
[16:43] <biosed> The script is perl and is solid, being using it for quite a while on redhat
[16:46] <ivoks> congrats everybody
[17:22] <mdz> kirkland: do you have a s3kr1t LWN alias? :-)
[17:22] <mdz> http://lwn.net/Articles/329765/
[17:22] <kirkland> mdz: :-)  i do not ....
[17:22] <kirkland> mdz: as i don't think our marketing team is "bad"
[17:23] <kirkland> mdz: and more people than just me (nijaba, for instance) contributed to s-p
[17:23] <mdz> kirkland: indeed
[17:23] <kirkland> mdz: http://www.osnews.com/user/kragil perhaps?
[17:24] <kirkland> mdz: i do appreciate the plug though!
[17:25] <mdz> kirkland: you have a fan among the Canonical-bashers ;-)
[17:27] <kirkland> mdz: i wonder if that's career-limiting :-)
[17:28] <kirkland> mdz: maybe even 2?  http://lwn.net/Articles/309964/
[17:28] <ivoks> hehe
[17:29] <RoyK> hi
[17:30] <RoyK> I'm reinstalling some servers with old fedora crap with ubuntu 8.04LTS these days. How can I make a usb plug installer? I'll need x86 and amd64
[17:31] <kirkland> RoyK: usb-creator
[17:31] <RoyK> where can I find that?
[17:32] <RoyK> does it take an iso file and just makes the usb plug bootable with it?
[17:59] <VK7HSE1> Server update has gone smoothly :-D
[18:02] <ivoks> as always ;)
[18:02] <VK7HSE1> ;-)
[18:04]  * NCommander had a smooth intrepid->jaunty upgrade on SPARC :-)
[18:04] <MagicFab> VK7HSE1, glad to hear.
[18:05] <MagicFab> NCommander, Ubuntu on SPARC ?
[18:05] <NCommander> MagicFab, yeah. I bought a bunch of SPARC boxes to improve Ubuntu on that architecture
[18:05] <ivoks> all my sparc servers are hardy :)
[18:05] <NCommander> ivoks, upgrade from dapper or fresh installations?
[18:05] <MagicFab> NCommander, interesting - what model(s) ?
[18:05]  * NCommander ran into a few SILO bugs
[18:05] <ivoks> fresh
[18:05] <ivoks> NCommander: right, silo is broken in installer
[18:06] <NCommander> ivoks, I'm working to improve ubuntu/sparc, interested in helping?
[18:06] <ivoks> sure
[18:06] <VK7HSE1> I've just found an issue with my mediawiki it has a problem with the sql databse when you try to edit!... I'll sort that out tomorrow/today!
[18:06] <NCommander> MagicFab, SunFire V120 (Nextra X1 (which is having seems to have a fit running non-Solaris stuff), a Nextra T105 which is known to run Debian, and an Ultra10
[18:06] <NCommander> MagicFab, I also plan to see if I can get landscape going on them :-)
[18:07] <ivoks> i have only these: TI UltraSparc IIIi (Jalapeno)
[18:07] <NCommander> ivoks, know anyone else running Ubuntu/sparc? (I'm trying to revive interest in the port, and also working to fix the kernel)
[18:07] <NCommander> ivoks, your is newer than mine though :-)
[18:07] <ivoks> i don't, fabionne worked on sparc before
[18:07]  * NCommander is turning his SPARC box into an ltsp system
[18:08] <NCommander> s/system/server/g
[18:08] <ivoks> NCommander: you have issues with kernel?
[18:08] <NCommander> ivoks, well, with the installer
[18:08] <NCommander> The jaunty kernel and its d-i have issues
[18:08] <ivoks> oh...
[18:08] <ivoks> i know hardy has silo issue
[18:08] <NCommander> I'm the one who updated jaunty's SPARC kernelt to 2.6.28, but I had no hardware to test on
[18:08] <NCommander> Jaunty has a new enough silo that its not a problem
[18:09] <NCommander> (I ended up installing dapper, then forcing a hardy install over it so I ended up with dapper silo and hardy rootfs)
[18:09] <soren> NCommander: fabbione, perhaps.
[18:09] <ScottK> NCommander: sistpoty/siretart have sparc (but you knew that).
[18:09] <NCommander> ScottK, yup :-)
[18:09] <soren> NCommander: (re: "know anyone else running Ubuntu/sparc?")
[18:09] <NCommander> Wow, this is not the day to try and build chroot
[18:10] <MagicFab> NCommander, are you sharing that anywhere (else) ?
[18:10] <NCommander> MagicFab, sharing what?
[18:10] <MagicFab> NCommander, notes / packages re: SPARC
[18:10] <NCommander> MagicFab, Ubuntu SPARC is hosted by Canonical
[18:11] <NCommander> MagicFab, its just suffering from a lot of negletic.
[18:11] <ivoks> sistpoty also has sparcs, right
[18:11] <ivoks> he reported broken kernel in hardy
[18:11] <MagicFab> NCommander, well yeah but I don't see any super-public display of "hey, I am doing this for SPARC". I am simply asking if you blog or document this somewhere ;)
[18:12] <NCommander> MagicFab, not yet, I plan to do so for Karmic. I made PowerPC releasable this cycle (see Xubuntu's release annoucement, and the Kubuntu one once I find the right person to poke)
[18:12] <phoenixz> Hi there, Im about to receive a new server which probably will be a SUN sunfire t2000.. I received specs which say that under Solaris, this server has 16 virtual 1GHz processors... Would this mean that in Ubuntu I see only 1 real processor, or also 16 processors?? Anybody has some experience with Linux on SUN Sparc hardware?
[18:12] <MagicFab> :D NCommander ^
[18:13] <NCommander> Damn
[18:13] <NCommander> Speak of the devil
[18:13] <ivoks> hehe
[18:13] <ivoks> phoenixz: you'll see all of them
[18:13] <NCommander> what ivoks said
[18:13] <NCommander> phoenixz, are you planning to run Ubuntu on it?
[18:14] <ivoks> NCommander: we should wait and see what will become of sparc architecture anyway :)
[18:15] <NCommander> ivoks, I doubt Oracle going to axe it
[18:16] <ivoks> time will tell
[18:22] <phoenixz> NCommander: I plan to use ubuntu, hardware is unknown yet.. that SUN sparc T2000 is aavailable.. either that one or thehy have to buy new hardware so I figured I better ask
[18:23] <phoenixz> Just asked on the solaris channel.. they told me that Linux wont run right / slow / problematic on anything more then 4 CPU's.. is this correct?
[18:23] <NCommander> phoenixz, ok, Ubuntu on sparc is a little rough (its not been all that well cared for since it was dropped as a supported arch; I'm hoping to fix that with karmic)
[18:23] <NCommander> phoenixz, its FUD
[18:23] <NCommander> Linux scales fine; for some things Solaris may be faster, while others Linux may be
[18:24] <NCommander> It depends on your needs and how your applications use the server
[18:24] <phoenixz> NCommander: Going to run LAMP installation
[18:25]  * phoenixz thinks someone is about to start a flamewar on the solaris channel :)
[18:26] <NCommander> phoenixz, stop by #ubuntu-ports, which is where we discuss the SPARC (and other ports aside from PowerPC)
[18:26] <NCommander> ivoks, ^
[18:26] <NCommander> I'll be happy to get Ubuntu going; there are some annoying SILO bugs that you need to work around to get a successful install
[18:26] <phoenixz> NCommander: Okay.. only problem is, I need the hardware now and I need to be sure it will work :)
[18:26] <NCommander> RIght, of course
[18:26] <phoenixz> NCommander: SILO?
[18:26] <NCommander> phoenixz, SPARC equivelent of GRUB/LILO
[18:28] <phoenixz> NCommander: in other words.. a successfull install is not guaranteed?
[18:28] <NCommander> phoenixz, not at the moment, as I said, Ubuntu/sparc is suffering from lack of maintence, but I'm going to try and SRU debian-installer so you can simply do a netboot install of Jaunty
[18:29] <phoenixz> sorry, SRU?
[18:29] <ivoks> phoenixz: use LTS versions
[18:29] <ivoks> 8.04
[18:29] <ScottK> phoenixz: SRU = Stable Release Update - post release update for serious bug fix.
[18:30] <phoenixz> ScottK: Gottit
[18:30] <ivoks> (desktop rant) why don't we use netbook-launcher for desktop too? looks nice and functional... :)
[18:30] <sbeattie> NCommander: is the issue size or something else? I tried netbooting a ultra60 with a jaunty image from around beta time and got a memory error (I've forgotten the specifics); dapper and gutsy netbooted fine on that hardware.
[18:31] <phoenixz> One other question.. As I understood it, this CPU should have like 8 cores, 4 threads per core.. Linux (Ubuntu) will be able to use those effectively?
[18:31] <phoenixz> T1 Sparc CPU
[18:32] <ivoks> http://www.ubuntu.com/news/sunfire
[18:32] <NCommander> sbeattie, there are quite a few issues ATM
[18:32] <NCommander> I'm working to resolve them, I want Karmic to be equivelent to Dapper in terms of hardware working
[18:32] <NCommander> sbeattie, interested in working in the SPARC port?
[18:33] <sbeattie> NCommander: I'll try to help out where I can, but my time is somewhat overbooked as it is.
[18:34] <ivoks> same thing here
[18:34] <ivoks> i have some non-arch plans for karmic
[18:34] <NCommander> I really just need some people for installer testing
[18:34] <ivoks> plans/ideas
[18:34] <NCommander> So no huge time commitment
[18:34] <sbeattie> NCommander: that I can do.
[18:34] <ivoks> i'll do as much as i can
[18:34] <NCommander> you guys are awesome
[18:34] <NCommander> :-)
[18:35] <NCommander> Lets have SPARC be awesome for karmic
[18:51] <VK7HSE1> Goodnight/evening/morning/afternoon... what ever! I'm off to bed... Zzz Zzz Zzz...
[19:08] <stu1> hi, I've just upgrade my server to 9.04 and I get a mount: special device /dev/md1 does not exist error on boot up I've run cat /proc/mdstat and i get the following md_d1 inactive sda1[0] (S), what does this mean and how do I got about fixing it?
[19:15] <Faust-C> howdy folks
[19:18] <Faust-C> for those of you that use Citadel and would like to use it in a AD environment here ya go: http://tinyurl.com/d62gxe
[19:20] <orudie> hi, how do i update from 8.10 to 9.04 ?
[19:23] <tgunr> I'm new to ubuntu coming from MacOSX and trying to get a local webserver setup to test with, I have my domain name name setup in hosts as <IP_ADDRESS> = my.test.domain, hosts.conf is configured to order hosts,bind but when I try to resolve my.test.domain I get the real IP, what am I doing wrong? or is this not possible in Linux?
[19:23] <Faust-C> orudie, update-manager -d
[19:23] <tgunr> rather <IP_ADDRESS> my.test.domain
[19:23] <Faust-C> apt-get dist-update
[19:24] <orudie> Faust-C, what is update-manager -d gonna do ?
[19:24] <Faust-C> tgunr, you need to make sure apache is using either name based vhosts or ip based vhosts, i think thats your issue
[19:24] <Faust-C> orudie, man update-manager
[19:24] <tgunr> hmm, ok but i thought you had to set up the domian in hosts first
[19:25] <tgunr> on a MAc I can do this same thing then use nslookup my-test.domain and get back <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:25] <Faust-C> tgunr, why? using vhosts doesnt care about that
[19:26] <Faust-C> youre looking at this in the old school way, i suggest you read up on vhosts
[19:26] <Faust-C> makes your life simpler
[19:26] <tgunr> ok, will do, and yes, i am coming from an old Unix System III days
[19:26] <orudie> is eBox any good ?
[19:29] <orudie> Faust-C,  update-manager: command not found
[19:34] <Faust-C> apt-get dist-update
[19:34] <Faust-C> apt-get dist-upgrade*
[19:34] <Faust-C> one of those
[19:36] <RoyK> Faust-C: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:37] <Faust-C> yeah one of those
[19:37] <RoyK> no, both
[19:37] <RoyK> update will update the package list, dist-upgrade will do the upgrade
[19:38] <Faust-C> RoyK, im using LTS so i havent had to use the dist update yet
[19:38] <orudie> Faust-C, sudo do-release-upgrade
[19:39] <RoyK> Faust-C: dist-upgrade upgrades to the newest subversion of the distro
[19:39] <Faust-C> ic
[19:40] <ScottK> Do use the update-manager for upgrades.  For server you have to install update-manager-core/common (I can never remember which) and then do-release-upgrade.
[20:04] <Veyasu> Hello, I'm adding some virtual SCSI disks to an ubuntu server with VMWare server. Does anyone know whether it is possible to run a command or something to discover them while the server is running, or do I have to restart it for the system to see them?
[20:08] <Faust-C> you dont have to reset?
[20:08] <Faust-C> rescan
[20:10] <Veyasu> I'm sorry, what do you mean by rescan?
[20:13] <lauris> does hardy installation support smart array 641 out of the box ?
[20:16] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #365625 in postfix (main) "package postfix 2.5.5-1.1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 75" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/365625
[20:45] <shadowland> Anyone know if Xen (Dom0) will be supported past Hardy or is it all KVM from there?
[20:45] <NCommander> So I got LTSP to work on sparc
[21:29] <soren> shadowland: dom0 will land in the main line kernel very soon. When that happens, it'll be back.
[21:30] <soren> shadowland: In the mean time we decided our ressources were better spent elsewhere.
[21:49] <juaco> hi, i little question to samba gurus: does %h expand to FQDN or just the hostname?
[21:49] <juaco> i have two servers in mirror and it would be useful to have the same smb.conf in both
[21:55] <Faust-C> wouldnt that cause a NETBIOS issue?
[21:55] <Faust-C> using the same name?
[21:58] <orudie> how do i find out which linux virsion im using
[22:01] <tgunr> try uname -a
[22:11] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #365692 in samba (main) "package samba-common 2:3.3.2-1ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: underprocess post-installation script gav felkod 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/365692
[22:55] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #365718 in postfix (main) "package postfix 2.5.5-1.1 failed to install/upgrade:" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/365718


[00:04] <rtg_> infinity, :) speaking of mako, I'm off to gorge on sushi sashimi. drop a note to the k-team list if you discover packaging issues with manta.
[12:56] <jdstrand> is there something wrong with changelogs.ubuntu.com? libvirt 1.0.2-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> came out 3 days ago but the software updater says that the list of changes is not available yet and http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/libv/libvirt/ doesn't have it
[13:00]  * jdstrand files rt
[13:06] <smartboyhw> Has the EOL announcement gone out yet?
[16:12] <rtg_> infinity, thanks for releasing linux-manta. I note that it has attempted to replace linux-headers (doh!) which I will correct shortly.
[16:18] <infinity> rtg_: Yeah, I poked Andy about that.  All the new packages need their headers flavorised, like is done with lowlatency/ppc, so they can't clash.
[16:18] <rtg_> infinity, I absolutely and violently agree
[16:29] <sergiusens> cjwatson: are you around?
[16:29] <cjwatson> not for much longer but yes
[16:32] <sergiusens> cjwatson: so I would generally ask ogra, but he's off... can we do some link mangling in cdimage for ubuntu-touch?
[16:33] <sergiusens> cjwatson: just to make current point at 20130508/ instead of 20130509
[16:33] <cjwatson> --verbose
[16:33] <cjwatson> (e.g. why)
[16:33] <cjwatson> I can only change it up to the next daily build ...
[16:35] <sergiusens> cjwatson: today's build has an updated qt that is sort of broken, yesterday's was fine... so pat wants to roll back
[16:36] <cjwatson> Will it be fixed in time for tomorrow's build?
[16:36] <cjwatson> Also, to clarify, 20130508 or 20130508.1?
[16:48] <sergiusens> cjwatson: it won't qt takes a long time to compile
[16:49] <sergiusens> cjwatson: I don't have that granularity, all I see are the ones I mentioned above from here: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/
[16:49] <cjwatson> those *are* at that granularity :)
[16:49] <infinity> We could remove your bits from cron entirely, but you'd have to remind us to turn them back on.
[16:49] <cjwatson> Err
[16:50] <cjwatson> You said ubuntu-touch, not ubuntu-touch-preview
[16:50] <cjwatson> Full names please :)
[16:50] <sergiusens> cjwatson: oh, sorry... forgot about the new one... won't happen again :-)
[16:51] <cjwatson> I have linked 20130508 to current and commented out /home/ogra/sync-phablet-images in 'crontab -e'.  You'll have to get somebody in the intersection of ~ubuntu-cdimage and ~canonical to turn them back on when you're ready.
[16:52] <sergiusens> cjwatson: you can leave those on... I can disable the build from jenkins itself
[16:52] <infinity> sync would still run and create a "new" daily based on whatever was current in jenkins, even if it hadn't changed, I imagine.
[16:52] <infinity> Hence disabling it on cdimage.
[16:53] <infinity> (Not that I've looked at Oli's sync script, maybe it's not that clever)
[16:54] <sergiusens> infinity: hmmm... you may be right... but I do recall it checking the build number from jenkins... but we just went backwards so it might not do what I expected
[16:54] <sergiusens> infinity: so what I mean is, you are probably right :-)
[16:54]  * sergiusens still disabled jenkins build
[16:56] <cjwatson> sergiusens: In theory.  But I'd rather keep the cron job off if it's actually important.
[16:57] <sergiusens> thanks! and yes
[20:44] <rtg_> infinity, rmadison linux-generic-lts-raring
[20:44] <rtg_> linux-generic-lts-raring | <IP_ADDRESS>.19 | precise-proposed | amd64, i386
[20:44] <rtg_> since there is a released kernel image, why is the meta package still stuck in -proposed ?
[20:45] <infinity> rtg_: Hrm?  -20 isn't in updates.
[20:45] <rtg_> infinity, I guess I'm wondering why there isn't a .19 meta package.
[20:45] <infinity> That's a much more interesting question.
[20:46] <infinity> And possibly my fault.  I can fix that.
[20:47] <rtg_> infinity, I've encountered someone that could not install the raring backport kernel becuase the meta package exists only in -proposed (is is also the wrong ABI number)
[20:47] <rtg_> and is*
[20:48] <infinity> rtg_: Should be fixed in an hour or so.
[20:48] <rtg_> infinity, way cool. thankyou sir.
[23:44] <bdmurray> is remove-package the right tool for getting libvirt 0.9.8-2ubuntu17.9 out of precise-proposed?