[06:08] <dholbach> good morning
[08:46] <dholbach> dpm, hola muchacho
[08:46] <dpm> hey dholbach o/
[08:47] <dholbach> dpm, ¿Tienes tiempo para una llamada?
[08:48] <dholbach> popey, for your core apps update, do you think you could add something at the bottom saying "and here's a link to how you get involved"?
[08:48] <dpm> dholbach, sí , pero ¿dentro de un rato?
[08:48] <popey> yeah
[08:48] <dpm> dholbach, I've got a call in ~10
[08:48] <dpm> dholbach, but I'll be free in 1h
[08:49] <dholbach> dpm, let me ping you later on again
[08:49] <dpm> dholbach, ok, cool
[08:49] <dholbach> awesome
[10:50] <dholbach> dpm, I'm back from lunch now, but take your time - just let me know when you have time again
[10:51] <dpm> dholbach, ok, cool, will be done in ~10
[10:51] <dholbach> dpm, sweet
[11:00] <dholbach> dpm, shall I just go ahead and call you?
[11:05] <dpm> dholbach, call running over, sorry
[11:05] <dholbach> no worries
[11:05] <dpm> dholbach, will ping you as soon as it finishes
[11:05] <dholbach> gotcha
[11:26] <dpm> dholbach, ok, done with the call!
[11:30] <dholbach> dpm, cool
[15:51] <dholbach> all right my friends - I call it a day - see you all tomorrow! have a good one!
[16:45] <jono_> jose, hey
[16:45] <jose> hey jono_!
[16:45] <jono_> are we still good for my Q+A at 6pm UTC?
[16:45] <jose> yep, all set up!
[16:47] <jono_> thanks jose!
[16:47] <jose> np :)
[16:50] <jose> hey popey, I'm wondering if we're going to have any more App Design Clinics?
[16:51] <popey> jose: good question, I'll find out
[16:51] <jose> awesome, thanks!
[16:51] <popey> np


[00:22] <daftykins> ooh-err samba exploit
[03:03] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Ubuntu Cloud Summit in Oakland, California in May 2012 - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/04/11/ubuntu-cloud-summit-in-oakland-california-in-may-2012/
[07:17] <daubers> Morning
[07:23] <dwatkins> hiya
[07:31]  * daubers is not having a good week
[07:41] <czajkowski> aloha
[07:44] <justso> good morning
[07:47] <justso> could someone point me to the location of the default desktop images, I need to delete them to gain a bit more disk space
[07:47] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:48] <popey> justso: sudo apt-get autoremove --purge ubuntu-wallpapers
[07:48] <popey> for me that frees up only 3MB
[07:49] <justso> thanks thats a help :-)
[07:49] <justso> I only have a 4 gig drive so it all  helps
[07:50] <popey> heh
[07:50] <popey> have you done "sudo apt-get clean" and "sudo apt-get autoclean" ?
[07:50] <popey> 4GB is a bit small for Ubuntu really
[07:51] <justso> it is but it's the biggest usb memory stick I had available
[07:52] <justso> I just dont update anything and clean it up once in a while
[07:55]  * justso wonders how long a memory stick will take to fail when being used for the OS
[07:56] <popey> ahhh
[07:59] <justso> anyway thanks for the help popey ... another 3 meg to play with .... yipeee !!!
[08:00] <popey> np
[08:00] <justso> actually I have another question ... how hard would it be to move this install to a larger dive ?
[08:01] <popey> easy, dd it from one stick to another
[08:01] <popey> then use gparted to expand the partitions
[08:01] <justso> could I just install a boot partition then copy over all these files ?
[08:01] <popey> probably quicker to reinstall tbh
[08:01] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:02] <justso> hmm it too me a while to get it set up so I dont really want to start again
[08:02] <popey> yeah, dd it over
[08:02] <justso> dd?
[08:02] <popey> actually easier/quicker to just use gparted
[08:03] <popey> plug both sticks in, start gparted and copy/paste ☺
[08:03] <justso> I will take a look at that
[08:03] <popey> i used it recently to migrate from a spinning disk to ssd
[08:03] <justso> ahh but the os I am copying will be in use so will that screw it up ?
[08:03] <popey> works nicely
[08:03] <justso> ok thx
[08:04] <popey> ah
[08:04] <popey> do it from a live cd
[08:04] <justso> yeah thats it
[08:04] <justso> :-)
[08:05] <JamesTait> Happy Tues^WWednesday, all!
[08:05] <popey> hah
[08:05] <popey> humpday!
[08:05]  * justso waves
[08:16] <czajkowski> how do people not get the contact this team feature in launchpad :/
[08:20] <czajkowski> on a brighter note, updated blog theme :) http://www.lczajkowski.com/
[08:21] <Gary> my eyes!!!
[08:21] <MooDoo> czajkowski: looks good, although for me the background is removing the impact of the blog title??
[08:21] <MooDoo> that and the fact my eyes are bleeding :D
[08:22] <Gary> anyone got any bleach?
[08:22] <czajkowski> Gary: oi
[08:22] <Gary> <3
[08:22] <czajkowski> MooDoo: the blog title or the tag line ?
[08:23] <MooDoo> czajkowski: both i think, then again could just be my eyes
[08:24] <popey> czajkowski: "One you add in you sign in via your launchpad account " que?
[08:24] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:24] <gord> czajkowski, hey you work over there on launchpad right? go get them to add a "hey, just so you know this isn't how you talk on the mailing list" label to that button
[08:24] <gord> i get new emails from unity launchpad groups all the time because of that button
[08:25] <popey> heh, yeah, should only be possible to contact individuals, not groups
[08:25] <bigcalm> Running the server with 12.04 seems to be working so far. Except when I tried to shut down last night. 'shutdown now' sent the server into single user mode. 'halt' really did stop everything, except it didn't turn the power off
[08:25] <popey> odd, works for me
[08:25] <popey> mind you mine isn't the n40l, mine's the n36l
[08:26] <bigcalm> Usually I won't be shutting the box down. But as it's not doing everything yet, there was no need for it to be on while I was sleeping
[08:26] <czajkowski> gord: thats a new feature curtis worked on unfortunately not many people seem to A) know how to use it B) know it exists
[08:26] <bigcalm> popey: hummz
[08:28] <bigcalm> Morning mrevell
[08:28] <mrevell> Hello there bigcalm. How be it?
[08:28] <czajkowski> popey: I dont get you
[08:28] <bigcalm> Sunny, very very sunny
[08:28] <bigcalm> mrevell: and with you?
[08:28] <czajkowski> 09:24 < popey> czajkowski: "One you add in you sign in via your launchpad  account " que?
[08:30] <jpds> czajkowski: "Como?" is what you're actually suppose to say in .es.
[08:31] <czajkowski> jpds: lets not confuse my brain shall we this morning by adding another language
[08:31]  * czajkowski is rather sleepy
[08:31] <jpds> czajkowski: Story of my life.
[08:31] <czajkowski> jpds: the confusion :p
[08:31] <oimon> anyone tried gnome panel in 12.04 with dual monitors?
[08:31] <jpds> czajkowski: No.
[08:31] <popey> czajkowski: read the sentence out loud, it makes no sense to me
[08:31] <czajkowski> would also possibly help if I went to bed before 3am :/
[08:31] <oimon> looking good on 1 atm
[08:31] <popey> oimon: nope, not I
[08:32] <czajkowski> popey: this new feature http://blog.launchpad.net/cool-new-stuff/contacting-teams-is-easier-and-more-reliable
[08:32] <oimon> all that crying and shouting and people swapping distros and there it is sitting pretty in 12.04
[08:33] <czajkowski> people dont seem to realise by contacting this team the mail goes to everyone on the team, which is great, but people on the team dont seem to know this feature exists so they forward the mail onto the team in some cases
[08:33] <jpds> oimon: Too bad noone supports that code anymore.
[08:33] <oimon> jpds, what do you mean? it's gtk3 based
[08:34] <oimon> i've been using a dock for ages that is no longer developed, but works fine with all apps
[08:36] <czajkowski> until the day it stops working
[08:36] <czajkowski> :)
[08:38] <czajkowski> popey: saw this and reminded me of you! http://data.whicdn.com/images/11356949/dog-pringles-duck_large.jpg
[08:38] <oimon> the weird thing is, i keep hitting super to get unity up :-\
[08:38]  * popey wonders if czajkowski understand what he said now?
[08:39] <oimon> i want to use unity but still cannot use it until some changes are made
[08:39] <oimon> hey i just noticed that the crash reporter shows if the bug has been reported already :D
[08:39] <popey> yeah, thats handy
[08:40] <oimon> except that i can't see the bug , must be private :(
[08:40] <oimon> bug #978491
[08:41] <czajkowski> popey: think so
[08:42] <popey> golly, that youtube video I made about testing unity has had about 2800 views
[08:42] <popey> probably the most any video I have ever made has had :D
[08:43] <popey> hah, just noticed you can scroll the launcher with the mouse wheel
[08:44] <gord> i made a minecraft video once and now it has like 80,000 views or something stupid. make a unity testing video that has some minecraft in it,then you'll get the youtube bucks
[08:45] <popey> hah
[08:51] <oimon> mmm gnome classic + unity 2d launcher seems to be nice
[08:53] <gordonjcp> ffs
[08:54] <gordonjcp> $head_salesguy "so you don't see any problems with putting in this piece of equipment?"
[08:54] <gordonjcp> what, this piece of equipment I haven't even seen, in an ATEX site (oil terminal), which is a half hour boat trip away from where I can drive to?
[08:54] <gordonjcp> yeah, I'm going to answer *that*
[09:53] <Myrtti> so, what are people going to do with their Viglen MPC-L's nowadays?
[09:54] <directhex> aquarius, do you know anyone at MS with a vague interest in encouraging FOSS?
[09:54] <aquarius> directhex, Steve Lamb
[09:54] <bigcalm> Myrtti: mine has been in a draw for more than 2 years and my parents' will be replaced with my Revo :)
[09:54] <aquarius> directhex, @actionlamb on twitter
[09:54] <bigcalm> Other than that, not a clue
[09:55] <mgdm> directhex: @fearthecowboy does
[09:55] <directhex> thanks guys
[09:55] <aquarius> directhex, I think he's actually head of the UK MS FOSS team ;)
[09:56] <czajkowski> AlanBell: popey christel http://www.ribstock.co.uk/
[09:56] <mgdm> directhex: also, @brian_swan - they're both US guys
[09:56] <dvdrw> When is 12.04 officially released?
[09:56] <czajkowski> directhex: many do,http://twitter.com/#!/MichaelaKraft
[09:57] <bigcalm> dvdrw: 26th
[09:57] <dvdrw> ok
[09:57] <directhex> czajkowski, looks like @actionlamb and @fearthecowboy are perfect, they're active on twitter so should reply
[09:57] <dvdrw> I'll put it on my calendar
[09:57] <aquarius> directhex, linkedin says actionlamb's job title is "Open Source Strategist"... and he spoke at LRL a few times
[09:58] <bigcalm> dvdrw: though you should be using 12.04 already and reporting bugs :D
[09:58] <dvdrw> That's true
[09:58] <mgdm> directhex: If it's useful, fearthecowboy hangs around in #coapp on here, once the Pacific coast wakes up :)
[09:58] <popey> czajkowski: i fly out the next day to the sprint
[09:59] <aquarius> directhex, whatcha asking them about?
[09:59] <czajkowski> popey: ahh dont forget the tea bags :)
[10:00] <directhex> aquarius, trying to work out what we need to buy to get windows vms running buildbot-slave. msdn subs are strictly per-user, which means it's not clear how many of anything are needed
[10:00] <bigcalm> Somebody should mail a crate to the venue so that people have proper tea waiting for you
[10:01] <bigcalm> Morning davmor2
[10:01] <davmor2> morning dude
[10:01] <davmor2> morning all
[10:02] <davmor2> MooDoo: czajkowski prod
[10:02] <aquarius> directhex, heh, a good question :)
[10:02] <czajkowski> davmor2: *poke*
[10:03] <aquarius> bigcalm, proper tea is theft
[10:03] <bigcalm> Badum-tish
[10:03] <bigcalm> :)
[10:04] <davmor2> aquarius: hey dude, you coming to the Ubuntu Happy hour a week thursday?
[10:05] <bigcalm> ...
[10:05] <bigcalm> There will be booze
[10:05] <bigcalm> Pubs do booze I think
[10:05] <davmor2> aquarius: good time to pimp U1 services :D
[10:05] <MooDoo> davmor2: hi mr, wassup?
[10:06] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:06] <bigcalm> The following packages have been kept back:
[10:06] <bigcalm>   linux-headers-server linux-image-server linux-server
[10:06] <bigcalm> How do I get them upgraded without using aptitude full-upgrade?
[10:06] <davmor2> MooDoo: said morning all and didn't get a barrage of abuse so just checking people were alive ;)
[10:07] <MooDoo> davmor2: i'm alive, just not concentrating on this channel.
[10:07] <davmor2> MooDoo: you bad bad man anyone would think you were at work or something ;)
[10:07] <aquarius> davmor2, um, I don't know waht it is
[10:07] <bigcalm> :O
[10:07] <MooDoo> davmor2: i am, just in another room not this one, well i wasn't when you said hi
[10:07] <popey> speaking of U1. I just enabled backups with deja-dup to U1.
[10:07] <popey> OMG excellent
[10:08] <bigcalm> I have to say, the event details aren't easily accessable for the channel website
[10:08] <oimon> how much space do u have in u1?
[10:08] <popey> I've used 67%
[10:09] <popey> !u
[10:09] <popey> ☺
[10:09] <davmor2> bigcalm: sudo apt-get install linux-server should tell you what the issue is
[10:09] <davmor2> bigcalm: it could be that it's held back due to a dep
[10:10] <davmor2> aquarius: it's like a social lug meeting but for Ubuntu Abuser :D
[10:10] <bigcalm> davmor2: every kernel update on all of my servers has _always_ been held back
[10:11] <davmor2> bigcalm: they like you to be sure as it requires a reboot and may need scheduling
[10:11] <bigcalm> Fair enough
[10:11] <bigcalm> libssl also requires a reboot but doesn't have this
[10:12] <bigcalm> I like that apt-listchanges are mailed to root on upgrade
[10:12] <davmor2> bigcalm: kernel may add hardware etc,  libssl will be a security update hence a requirement, you might not need the kernel update
[10:12] <bigcalm> Ok
[10:14] <davmor2> bigcalm: plus if your machine doesn't reboot due to the kernel update you'll need time to fix it, a reboot for libssl will have you tinkering if it fails but might not mean downtime as such
[10:16] <aquarius> davmor2, on a thursday? this is in Wolves?
[10:16] <davmor2> aquarius: thursday the 19th at the moon under water from 7pm
[10:17] <oimon> popey, how dareth thee question mine english?
[10:17] <aquarius> heh, the Moon Under Water. Last time I was there someone stole my phone.
[10:18] <oimon> maybe a mermaid aquarius
[10:18] <aquarius> definitely wasn't a mermaid.
[10:20] <bigcalm> The bar maids are pretty
[10:20] <bigcalm> Does this help?
[10:22] <Killerjim> I'm linking my application with a debug static library, but the debug symbols for the static library are not present in the application - any reasons why this might be?
[10:23] <davmor2> aquarius: go on be sociable you know you want to :)
[10:24] <oimon> lightdm session choosing is incredibly slow in precise, and causes the fan to wake up - anyone else hase this?
[10:24] <Myrtti> so do I read this right that not even Debian ships a supported kernel that Viglen MPC-L could use?
[10:24] <popey> Myrtti: depens what you're reading
[10:25] <davmor2> Killerjim: have you installed the debug symbols for the lib? you might need to add the ddeb repo for it
[10:25] <Myrtti> popey: it's entirely possible I'm understanding it wrong, but https://help.ubuntu.com/11.04/installation-guide/i386/hardware-supported.html
[10:30] <Ng> popey: can I get a +1/reshare of https://plus.google.com/108361606659676027857/posts ? :D
[10:31] <popey> done
[10:31] <Ng> (I have also tweeted if, if you fancy retweeting that with your epic community connection powers ;)
[10:31] <Ng> \o/
[10:31] <Ng> ta
[10:32] <popey> also done
[10:32]  * Ng +1s popey
[10:32] <popey> Ng: considered posting it on linuxjobs list?
[10:33] <Ng> popey: I have indeed and will very likely do so, I've had some good responses from it recently
[10:33] <popey> cool
[10:33] <Ng> popey: good grief man, you have almost 2k followers on the twitter
[10:34] <christel> they all think it is elvis
[10:34] <popey> do I?
[10:34] <popey> i never look
[10:34] <mgdm> I found out I have something slightly north of 500
[10:34] <mgdm> can't think why
[10:34] <mgdm> I just talk nonsense
[10:35] <popey> how do you register a new freenode nickname but associate it with another one?
[10:36] <mgdm> popey: /msg nickserv help group
[10:37] <popey> ahh group
[10:39] <kvarley> How do I copy the output in my Putty window?
[10:39] <Ng> christel: hehe
[10:40] <kvarley> Nvm got it
[10:40] <mgdm> kvarley: just highlight it, that copies it by default
[10:40] <mgdm> kvarley: watch out, right-click in the window is paste :)
[10:40] <kvarley> For some reason to paste you press the middle mouse button
[10:42] <kvarley> My uEnv.txt is loaded but my resolution does not change. Can anybody help? The serial output and uEnv.txt is pasted here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/924673/
[10:42] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: http://standards.freedesktop.org/clipboards-spec/clipboards-latest.txt
[10:42] <kvarley> Sorry wrong channel -_-
[10:42] <kvarley> Thanks MartijnVdS
[10:43] <diplo-> Why can't Bristol have better connectivity :( would love a job like above but with my kids i can't move to london :(
[10:44] <oimon> i know people who commute fro m bristol
[10:44] <oimon> but i guess they don't get to tuck their kids in at night
[10:44] <diplo-> Doesn't help when I need to get the kids from school though, being single now
[10:44] <diplo-> Yeah and that
[10:44] <aquarius> Ng, you tweeted about a job?
[10:44] <oimon> which is why i moved to public sector
[10:44] <diplo-> One of my fave parts
[10:45] <popey> aquarius: https://twitter.com/#!/cmsj/status/189992137083981825
[10:45] <oimon> worth the 15-20k pay cur
[10:45] <aquarius> aha, we're looking for a data centre engineer, huh?
[10:45]  * aquarius retweets it
[10:47] <Ng> aquarius: yes and thanks!
[10:52] <oimon> the power drains from my toshiba laptop when the power is turned off :(
[10:53] <oimon> have to remove battery from machine :(
[10:53] <MartijnVdS> Short somewhere?
[10:53] <MartijnVdS> Does it drain as fast as during suspend?
[10:53] <MartijnVdS> Does it also drain if you remove it a few minutes, then reconnect it?
[10:54] <oimon> MartijnVdS, not sure about the 3rd one, if it's possible to tell
[10:54] <MartijnVdS> oimon: Shut down machine, pull battery off, wait, put battery on
[10:54] <MartijnVdS> oimon: wait a day, check if discharged?
[10:54] <oimon> a day, deifinitely
[10:54] <MartijnVdS> well
[10:54] <MartijnVdS> or a few hours
[10:54] <oimon> yep , a few hours
[10:54] <MartijnVdS> or however long it takes for it to discharge noticeably
[10:54] <dwatkins> it's definitely completely shut down, oimon?
[10:54] <oimon> brand new machine
[10:55] <oimon> yes, ciompletely
[10:55] <oimon> other people have the laptop, but it's hard to get them to test anything cos they don't care or understand
[10:55] <quetzel_quagga> Hail!
[10:56] <MartijnVdS> hail!
[10:56] <oimon> how to check exact charge?
[10:56] <MartijnVdS> quetzel_quagga: that's an old-fashioned greeting, isn't it? :)
[10:56] <oimon> or a weather report MartijnVdS
[10:56] <MartijnVdS> oimon: or that, yes
[10:56] <MartijnVdS> oimon: which explains why you used it as a greeting :P
[10:57] <quetzel_quagga> Does it hail frequently on IRC?
[10:57] <dwatkins> good day, quetzel_quagga
[10:57] <MartijnVdS> quetzel_quagga: Sometimes
[10:58] <czajkowski> anyone want to help a new 12.04 user https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/193299
[11:00] <davmor2> czajkowski: no ;)
[11:01] <oimon> MartijnVdS, i found something in bios called sleep and charge, will try to disable it
[11:02] <oimon> my laptop will lose 1hr of charge overnight when completely off
[11:02] <oimon> or someimes more
[11:03] <popey> thats a bit rubbish
[11:03] <oimon> s/bit/very/
[11:03] <oimon> the money they spent on this, i could have bought the mighty thinkpad
[11:03] <popey> should have
[11:04] <popey> send it back!
[11:04] <oimon> no choice, like it or lump it
[11:05] <popey> toshiba are top of my do-not-buy list
[11:05] <popey> along with sony
[11:05] <oimon> me too
[11:05] <oimon> and apple
[11:05] <oimon> toshiba are OK for budget
[11:05] <oimon> but this was more expensive, so why not buy a proper laptop
[11:06] <oimon> their £500 models are good for parents, especially the 17 inch screen one
[11:06] <oimon> when i suspend and resume, i can't change screen brightness either, so i'm stuck with whatever i had previously
[11:06] <oimon> need to check that in 12.04
[11:07] <oimon> there's been a v big earthquake in indonesia
[11:09] <davmor2> czajkowski: not sure I can help with that one popey might have more idea
[11:10] <popey> nope
[11:10] <popey> use askubuntu :)(
[11:10] <popey> -(
[11:10] <davmor2> czajkowski: ^
[11:11] <popey> http://askubuntu.com/questions/96681/ubuntu-doesnt-seem-to-shut-down-unless-i-force-kill-it-suggestions
[11:11] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/838792
[11:46] <Mez> Anyone available next thursday (19th) and fancy doing a talk at Birmingham LUG ?
[12:50] <czajkowski> http://www.internetnews.com/blog/skerner/instagrams-billion-sale-powered-by-ubuntu-linux.html
[12:54] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: So.. the next sabdfl is born? :)
[13:00] <bigcalm> Yay, big thunder and lightning storm over me :)
[13:00] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: greased lightning?
[13:01]  * bigcalm hugs his UPSes
[13:01] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: is it frightening?
[13:01] <bigcalm> :P
[13:01] <bigcalm> It's windy
[13:02] <bigcalm> I'm glad that both my electricity and communication cables are both under ground
[13:02] <bigcalm> Hail now
[13:03] <bigcalm> Less than 4 seconds from lightning to thunder
[13:03] <bigcalm> Tis really rather close now
[13:03]  * MartijnVdS waits for bigcalm to drop off the interwebs
[13:04] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: it doesn't take much with Virgin Media
[13:04] <bigcalm> Less than 2 seconds now
[13:08] <oimon> kindle touch? is that new?
[13:08] <MartijnVdS> yes, and it's poo
[13:08] <oimon> why?
[13:08] <MartijnVdS> Touch screen on eink reduces contrast for some reason
[13:08] <oimon> oh
[13:11] <stuphi> MartijnVdS: Not on the Sony reader. It used IR round the edge so no overlay required.
[13:11] <oimon> http://direct.asda.com/Kobo-Wireless-eReader---Onyx/000518285,default,pd.html?cm_mmc=afc-_-Direct-_-43305-_-text&campid%3Dawin_Money+Saving+Expert_43305_id=2786
[13:11] <oimon> ^^ kobo for £49
[13:11] <MartijnVdS> stuphi: My Sony used an overlay
[13:11] <MartijnVdS> stuphi: and it was MUCH worse than my kindle is
[13:12] <stuphi> MartijnVdS: How old was that?
[13:12] <stuphi> MartijnVdS: Mine does not. :-)
[13:12] <MartijnVdS> stuphi: ~2 years maybe
[13:12] <MartijnVdS> prs600 I think it was
[13:17] <oimon> how would you read amazon kindle books on a sony or kobo?
[13:17] <oimon> strip the DRM first?
[13:17] <stuphi> oimon: If you are going to buy amazon books, why not get a Kindle?
[13:18] <oimon> stuphi, that wasn't the question i asked though.
[13:18] <stuphi> MartijnVdS: Mine is PRS-350. That and the PRS-650 introduced the IR touch sensors.
[13:19] <davmor2> oimon: they might strike up deals with amazon to get support for kindle
[13:19] <MartijnVdS> stuphi: ah.. probably because they figured out less contrast = bad :)
[13:19] <stuphi> oimon: But you already answered your question :-)
[13:19] <stuphi> MartijnVdS: Guess so.
[13:19] <MartijnVdS> Some e-book stores can link to Amazon to send books to Kindle (Harry Potter comes to mind)
[13:19] <MartijnVdS> but the other way around..
[13:19] <oimon> so if you have a kobo reader, where do you buy your books?
[13:20] <awilkins> WHSmith?
[13:20] <stuphi> Waterstones?
[13:20] <MartijnVdS> pirate bay?
[13:20] <oimon> book shops sell ebooks?
[13:20] <MartijnVdS> oimon: some do
[13:20] <stuphi> http://www.gutenberg.org/
[13:20] <MartijnVdS> oimon: but only to the country they're in
[13:21] <MartijnVdS> I've tried to buy ebooks from the US, but they wouldn't let me. Same with MP3s and videos
[13:21] <MartijnVdS> Stupid "rights" poo
[13:22] <oimon> ebooks is a nightmare
[13:23] <MartijnVdS> oimon: I can buy books for my Kindle at Amazon.com at least
[13:23] <oimon> not a very open market though
[13:23] <MartijnVdS> exactly
[13:23] <oimon> and if your wife has a book, she can't even lend it to you
[13:24] <oimon> s/book/kindle ebook/
[13:24] <oimon> without you registereing to her device, or decrypting the book
[13:24] <MartijnVdS> it's all vendor lock in (even though most use epub + Adobe DRM), and the fact that copyrights are per-counry
[13:25] <oimon> :(
[13:25] <stuphi> Download old books from Gutenberg and manage with Calibre.
[13:25] <popey> meh, I'd just decrypt them
[13:26] <oimon> popey, yeah for now, until they block it
[13:26] <popey> they who?
[13:26] <MartijnVdS> oimon: Then that kind of DRM will also be cracked
[13:26] <oimon> amazon move to a new book format
[13:26] <MartijnVdS> oimon: same as with movies
[13:27] <oimon> i emailed amazon about the lending thing that works in the US
[13:27] <oimon> they said meh, just register your device with your friend's credentials
[13:28] <popey> i dont see how amazon can move to a new format
[13:28] <popey> given there are a bazillion kindles out there
[13:28] <popey> they'd have to force a firmware update on them all
[13:28] <awilkins> They could only do it if they forced a firmware update on them all <damn
[13:28] <oimon> phased approach
[13:28] <popey> cant see them doing it
[13:28] <popey> i dont think it hurts them that bad
[13:29] <popey> because they make it so easy to buy books
[13:29] <popey> movie studios are finding high piracy because it _is_ hard to buy movies
[13:29] <oimon> t first, content creators will only be able to use KF8 for the Kindle Fire tablet, though Amazon says it'll gradually expand to its entire lineup of devices and apps "in the coming months."
[13:29] <oimon> http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/24/amazons-new-e-book-format-brings-html5-support-to-your-kindle-l/
[13:29] <awilkins> Amazon were the first major store to have DRM-free music (correct?)
[13:30] <awilkins> I imagine the publishers have some nutty restrictions
[13:30] <oimon> they will provide a compelling new format
[13:33] <oimon> awilkins, yes but in response to apple. now that amazon are leading the market with a DRM by design, and don't even support epub, then they won't change
[13:35] <awilkins> They do kind of have a point in some ways. People will go the easiest route to their content.
[13:36] <awilkins> It's a shame it lets the publishers reinforce their stupid pricing practices (e.g. eBooks that cost more than the hardback)
[13:41] <oimon> stallman won't be happy that this book is£1.92 on amazon and free on gutenberg http://www.amazon.co.uk/Free-Freedom-Paperback-Stallmans-Software/dp/0596002874
[13:42] <oimon> cathedral and bazaar is £7.20 :-\
[13:45] <awilkins> Stallman would be fine with it - he has no opposition to people making money from selling content. He might throw a wobbly if the book doesn't clearly state that it's [whatever free license] he wrote it under though
[13:46] <popey> latest wheeze at ex-work is to wait until your co-worker is giving a presentation and then drop files with amusing names in a shared dropbox folder
[13:46] <popey> notifications pop up with the filename in
[13:46] <brobostigon> hehe :)
[13:47] <awilkins> touch "Whoooaaaaaa, your <expletive> is on fiiiiirre"
[13:48] <popey> "Deans list of porn websites.txt" was one
[13:48] <brobostigon> almost reminds me of that scene in wayne's world, where he is presenting his sponser, and writes stuff on the backs of those cards, facing the camera.
[13:48] <popey> heh, yeah
[13:51] <bigcalm> popey: your ex-work sounded fun
[13:57] <MartijnVdS> popey: Your laptop is an X1 right?
[13:58] <gord> X220
[13:58] <MartijnVdS> gord: Thanks
[13:58] <gord> you should get one, it makes you cool
[13:58] <MartijnVdS> gord: not much difference, is there?
[13:59] <gord> i have no idea
[13:59] <MartijnVdS> gord: X1 comes with SSD, and is 13" instead of 12.5
[14:01] <gord> says 2nd generation i5, not sure if they mean sandybridge by that or not
[14:01] <popey> x220 as gord says
[14:01] <MartijnVdS> the X1 also has 3G
[14:02]  * popey has ssd
[14:02] <MartijnVdS> like my current Sony
[14:02] <MartijnVdS> I like 3G
[14:02] <popey> i share my phones 3g
[14:02] <popey> dont like having lots of 3g subs
[14:02] <gord> you can get an ssd with the x220, its an option. but its not worth it
[14:02] <MartijnVdS> popey: My employer pays for a separate SIM :)
[14:02] <gord> way too expensive
[14:03] <popey> yeah, i bought my ssd separately
[14:03] <MartijnVdS> Also.. my current laptop still works fine
[14:04] <MartijnVdS> so I don't know IF I even want a new one
[14:04] <gord> i have a laptop refresh coming up, maybe i'll get another x220, because then i will have two
[14:04] <bigcalm> My boss is offering me some new kit as an incentive that a project gets out the door on time. I don't need an incentive, but I'm thinking it might be time for a decent laptop. x220?
[14:05] <MartijnVdS> gord: and then you'll be double cool?
[14:05] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: X220 or X1, I'd say
[14:05] <gord> well, i'll be a step ahead of the popeys and jcastros in the world anyway!
[14:05] <MartijnVdS> gord: and sabdfls?
[14:05] <gord> no idea what he uses
[14:05] <bigcalm> Windows
[14:05] <MartijnVdS> didn't people start buying X220s because he had one?
[14:05] <gord> tim schafer has an x220 though
[14:06] <bigcalm> No, it'll be a Macbook air
[14:06] <gord> people started buying x220s because *I* got one and they saw it at a platform sprint :P
[14:06] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: this explains Unity
[14:06] <bigcalm> o.O
[14:06] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ @ gord
[14:10] <popey> i got one because gord told me to
[14:11] <MartijnVdS> popey: "I won't fix unity bugs if you don't"?
[14:12] <popey> i might make an ubuntu screencast tonight
[14:12] <popey> unity one
[14:13] <gord> a "don't panic" screencast for people upgrading from lts might be a good idea
[14:13] <popey> yeah
[14:13] <popey> thats what I'm thinking
[14:13] <popey> not sure whether to make one big one or lots of little ones and make a playlist
[14:17] <bigcalm> Playlist would be more useful I think
[14:24] <popey> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UnityDontPanic
[14:24] <popey> started making notes
[14:24] <popey> gord: suggestions...
[14:24] <popey> welcome
[14:32] <stuphi> That's hard. Been using Unity long enough to forget what life was like before! :-)
[14:37] <popey> heh
[14:37] <gord> i think you'd learn more about what needs to be explained from watching someone try to use it
[14:54] <diplo-> Blimey, cli server and want to install system-config-printer
[14:54] <diplo-> So many gtk apps :(
[14:56] <bigcalm> Is there an bash environment variable that says I am iain?
[14:56] <diplo-> id ?
[14:57] <bigcalm> USER
[14:58] <diplo-> ah sorry read that wrong
[15:00] <shauno> I don't think bash has an equivalent of getpwnam(); I'd just getent passwd username & parse it out
[15:00] <bigcalm> It's ok, everything works as expected
[15:44] <popey> Azelphur: https://www.facebook.com/epikprojectuk
[15:55] <davmor2> czajkowski: you coming to Happy Hour?
[15:56] <czajkowski> davmor2: I'm in .ie
[15:56] <davmor2> czajkowski: and ryan air flight to bham and a train to wolves will only be like a £10 each way ;)
[15:57] <czajkowski> :p
[15:57] <gord> but you have to fly at 2am and have a layover in spain
[15:58] <czajkowski> if I go to spain I'm not budging for a week!
[15:58] <davmor2> czajkowski: what makes it worse is it would probably get you here faster than if you travelled by train from London :D
[15:59] <davmor2> czajkowski: plus you know all about cheap flights from the song right?
[16:11] <popey> handy http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8403291/1204-poster-3.pdf
[16:15] <MartijnVdS> popey: are/will translations of that available?
[16:16] <popey> pass
[16:16] <popey> email the owner ☺
[16:16] <MartijnVdS> :|
[16:16] <popey> OMG!
[16:16] <popey> I am on a call with gord
[16:16] <popey> how _exciting_
[16:16] <bigcalm> "exciting"?
[16:16] <MartijnVdS> popey: are you giggling?
[16:16] <popey> I went "Woohoo!" at one point
[16:17] <popey> which was the excitement high point
[16:17] <bigcalm> You know how to let yourself go
[16:17] <popey> Oh yes
[16:18] <bigcalm> Damn it Rackspace, what is our new IP for VPN connections?
[16:18] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: <IP_ADDRESS>
[16:19] <davmor2> gord: blow rasberries at him you know you want to
[16:19] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: popey likes raspberries.
[16:19] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: I woulnd't mind if it was, but a 3rd party have stated that their vpn connection must be allocated a public ip address
[16:19] <bigcalm> Which is a little weird
[16:20]  * bigcalm shakes his fist at PayPoint
[16:20] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: only blown ones
[16:20] <czajkowski> bigcalm: did you get halyes bday pressie yet
[16:20] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: or pis
[16:21] <bigcalm> czajkowski: I have a couple of things that I think she will like.  Can't make this silly
[16:25] <bigcalm> No, she's not a cat hater, but she prefers dogs
[16:26] <davmor2> bigcalm: I bet she like jedi cat vs angry dog though right :)
[16:26]  * bigcalm rolls his eyes
[16:28] <davmor2> chrisccoulson: you're busy, he's busier is that really a nick you want to poach ;)
[16:45] <MartijnVdS> Whoa
[16:45] <MartijnVdS> G+ changed
[16:45] <bigcalm> Looks more like Facebook now
[16:45] <MartijnVdS> gee I wonder why
[16:47] <MartijnVdS> it even has the Unity bar ;)
[16:48] <MartijnVdS> heh they even have the "Cover picture" like FB
[16:49] <bigcalm> They do?
[16:49] <popey> i dont have it yet
[16:49] <MartijnVdS> on your profile page
[16:52] <bigcalm> Looks the same as ever to me
[16:52] <bigcalm> :)
[16:52]  * AlanBell sees no great change
[16:53]  * jussi just got it...
[16:53] <gord> something changed on the internet? hold on, let me get my pitchfork
[16:53] <bigcalm> Ooo
[16:53] <jussi> it is kinda like unity... :P
[16:53] <bigcalm> Just loaded a different gmail account and got it
[16:53] <bigcalm> Looks ok to me :)
[16:55] <AlanBell> I want an office with fewer screaming kids in it
[16:56] <oracology> sorry guys i came in late on this one...what are we talking about..?
[16:56]  * oracology feels sheepish.
[16:56] <bigcalm> g+
[16:56] <gord> how kids should not get time off school because it mildly bothers us that work from home
[16:56] <bigcalm> AlanBell: send the kids out to work
[16:56] <bigcalm> gord: yep :)
[16:56] <oracology> bigcalm: thanks :)
[16:57] <popey> MartijnVdS: how?
[16:57] <StevenR> AlanBell: move to an office with a bear?
[16:59] <MartijnVdS> popey: https://plus.google.com/u/0/100189567362844794281/about ?
[16:59] <MartijnVdS> popey: if I mouseover I get a "change photo" thingy
[16:59] <popey> yeah, i can get to my own profile
[16:59] <popey> but what do you do then?
[17:00] <MartijnVdS> you mouseover the area with your photo and the"bubbles"
[17:01] <popey> bubbles?
[17:01] <AlanBell> I think it isn't fully rolled out yet, I don't see anything interesting or bubbly
[17:01] <MartijnVdS> popey: I'll shoot a screen :)
[17:02] <MartijnVdS> popey: sent to you on G+ :)
[17:02] <popey> mine is a google apps for domains account
[17:03] <MartijnVdS> so is mine
[17:03] <popey> nice
[17:03]  * popey signs out
[17:04] <bigcalm> Signing out/in made no difference to my account display
[17:05] <bigcalm> *** /dev/sdb1 will be checked for errors at next reboot ***
[17:05] <bigcalm> It lies
[17:06] <bigcalm> Every reboot that message as been there on login
[17:12] <ali1234>  get that too. should bug report it
[17:24] <ali1234> bug 854772
[17:25] <Azelphur> what do most people use for twitter on Linux, gwibber?
[17:27] <bigcalm> Oh bum, no telnet client on this windows2008 server
[17:27] <bigcalm> Azelphur: I guess. Personally I just use my phone
[17:27] <Azelphur> hehe
[17:28] <bigcalm> Stops me from being distracted when I'm meant to be working
[17:28] <popey> heh, refreshed and now I get it
[17:28] <bigcalm> There's IRC for that
[17:29] <AlanBell> me too popey
[17:29] <Azelphur> I like the look of tweetdeck and how it can split feeds up into multiple rows
[17:29] <awilkins> Azelphur, I tend to just use the website
[17:30] <Azelphur> awilkins: hehe
[17:31] <bigcalm> Azelphur: columns?
[17:31] <Azelphur> yea, columns.
[17:31] <bigcalm> Yup, I have it too now
[17:31] <Azelphur> would be nice to put certain bot/high traffic feeds into a separate column
[17:33] <bigcalm> "don't forget about the Wolverhampton Happy Hour tomorrow"
[17:33] <bigcalm> Erm
[17:33] <bigcalm> Next week, not tomorrow
[17:34] <bigcalm> (this is me filing a bug report) :P
[17:36] <Azelphur> wait what...my gwibber from the repo doesn't look anything like the gwibber screenshots on their site
[17:37] <hamitron> blame canonical!
[17:37] <Azelphur> BLAME HAS BEEN ASSIGNED.
[17:37] <Myrtti> Azelphur: I just use Tweetdeck on Chromium
[17:40] <Azelphur> fun
[17:43]  * bigcalm hugs AlanBell
[17:45] <davmor2> bigcalm: put him down you don't know where he has been
[18:01] <directhex> blarg
[18:01] <directhex> blarg argh blaaarg
[18:07] <davmor2> directhex: stop dying everywhere you big wuss ;)
[18:07] <directhex> davmor2: i'm dying.
[18:08] <davmor2> directhex: everyone is the speed is dependant upon the person though ;)  the blarg's were what I was commenting on though :D
[18:52] <ed345678> hi somebody help me
[18:52] <ed345678> iam running lubuntu
[18:53] <AlanBell> hi ed345678
[18:53] <ed345678> i am unable to create a new file in documents or desktop
[18:54] <ed345678> it says error opening file, filesystem read only
[18:54] <ed345678> hi AlanBell
[18:54] <AlanBell> were there any problems apparent when booting up?
[18:55] <ed345678> no no problems, everythings working
[18:55] <AlanBell> and has it just started doing this?
[18:55] <ed345678> yes
[18:56] <ed345678> i tried starting leafpad with sudo and then saving txt file on desktop but still get that same error
[18:56] <AlanBell> does a reboot cure it?
[18:56] <ed345678> dont know, I will try rebooting now
[19:10] <directhex> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1613260297/shadowrun-returns/posts/205887
[19:33] <popey> directhex: golly
[19:33] <popey> directhex: what should I do with this busted xbox? chuck it?
[19:34] <directhex> popey: i guess :/
[19:34] <popey> bummer
[19:38] <directhex> :(
[19:46] <shane_> spray it another colour and mount it on the wall
[20:00] <jacobw> evening
[20:05] <bigcalm> Evening mrevell, bit late for you?
[20:05] <mrevell> bigcalm, Timezones and release deadlines :)
[20:06] <bigcalm> Ah, fun times :D
[20:15] <billybob1> Hello
[20:17] <popey> yo
[20:20] <billybob1> What is this channel for?
[20:20] <MartijnVdS> Talking.
[20:20] <MartijnVdS> About things.
[20:22] <brobostigon> well, almost anything,
[20:22] <MartijnVdS> Mostly Ubuntu-related though
[20:23] <brobostigon> and food, and beer, and etc.
[20:23] <popey> http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2012/04/11/s05e04-cube-root-of-conquest/
[20:23] <popey> \o/
[20:23] <brobostigon> :)
[20:24]  * bigcalm fires up gpodder
[20:24] <bigcalm> This'll make 3 eps that I need to listen to, oops
[20:24] <popey> heh
[20:25]  * popey tickles bigcalm with mc
[20:25] <bigcalm> Go on then :)
[20:25] <MartijnVdS> mc \o/
[20:25] <bigcalm> snowflake?
[20:26] <brobostigon> google listen notifications. :)
[20:27] <MartijnVdS> Google Listen isn't developed anymore, is it?
[20:27] <MartijnVdS> It kept doing annoying things on my phone (like randomly pausing the music playe[Dr)
[20:28] <brobostigon> no idea, but i have it installed, on my tablet.
[20:28] <billybob1> Okay then well hi all :)
[20:28] <MartijnVdS> hi billybob1
[20:28] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: is there an alternative?
[20:28] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: Not really. I use banshee atm
[20:28] <billybob1> But as it is ubuntu based is everyone using the unity interface and any one like it?
[20:28] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: there might be a good app in the store, but haven't looked
[20:29] <MartijnVdS> billybob1: no, and no :)
[20:29]  * awilkins is OK with unity
[20:29] <MartijnVdS> billybob1: but I like it
[20:29] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: ah, i see. well listen still works ok, so untill i find an alternative, it will do.
[20:29] <billybob1> I miss the taskbar it is frustrating changing windows now even with the short keys
[20:30] <MartijnVdS> billybob1: the thing on the left IS the taskbar
[20:30] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i found they released google currents outside the us, i know it deals with stuff from google reader, could that work. i havent actually looked at it yet.
[20:30] <billybob1> Yeah but it combines EVERYTHING /sigh
[20:30] <billybob1> Also how do you just get back to the desktop?
[20:31] <awilkins> ctrl-alt-D
[20:31] <MartijnVdS> billybob1: hold the "flag" key for a while, a screen full of shortcut keys pops up
[20:32] <billybob1> <3 awilkins : Cheers
[20:33] <billybob1> Yeah but that only shows the bar shortcuts
[20:33] <awilkins> The shortcuts are defined in keyboard settings application.
[20:33] <billybob1> Does this now mean that I have to go and learn LOADS of shortkeys just to be able to do normal switching like in Gnome2?
[20:33] <awilkins> For desktop I usually just keep one workspace clean and switch to it with alt-arrows
[20:34] <awilkins> I do most of my app switching that way too
[20:35] <awilkins> One workspace for comms, one for coding, one for source control, etc
[20:41] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: yes, i just tried to pickup ubuntu-uk podcast via rss, from my google reader list, and it picked it up fine, so it could be an alternative.
[20:41] <brobostigon> google currents, i mean.
[20:43] <brobostigon> fail. no sorry, didnt playback.
[21:03] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Ubuntu UK Podcast] S05E04  Cube Root of Conquest - http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2012/04/11/s05e04-cube-root-of-conquest/
[21:28] <Azelphur> anyone know of a really active twitter account (a bot or something) that posts regularly?
[21:28]  * Azelphur wants something to test with
[21:28] <ali1234> the launchpad one
[21:28] <AlanBell> there is the bigbenclock one
[21:29] <ali1234> https://twitter.com/#!/ubuntubugs
[21:29] <ali1234> wait that seems to have died on 23rd feb
[21:29] <Azelphur> ali1234: that hasn't seen activity for months :p
[21:29] <AlanBell> oh the clock has stopped
[21:29] <Azelphur> lol
[21:29] <AlanBell> https://twitter.com/#!/big_ben_clock
[21:30] <Azelphur> hahahaha
[21:30] <Azelphur> bong bong bong.
[21:30] <Azelphur> was thinking more active than that though
[21:30] <ali1234> you need to subscribe to a tab
[21:30] <ali1234> *tag
[21:30] <ali1234> like #lol should do it
[21:30] <AlanBell> yeah, that one is regular, but not frequent
[21:30] <Azelphur> that's a good idea
[21:33] <Azelphur> holy crap, lol is a bit too busy xD
[21:33] <Azelphur> wow, that was insane
[21:33] <Azelphur> note to self: don't do that
[21:34] <Azelphur> Ubuntu is a good one, keeps things going every few seconds
[21:35] <AlanBell> what are you doing with it?
[21:36] <AlanBell> I did some live streaming stuff from twitter, it can go really really fast
[21:36] <Azelphur> AlanBell: piping tweets from a specific user into an IRC channel
[21:36] <AlanBell> nice
[21:36] <tiim> I have a friend who tweets too often
[21:36] <tiim> https://twitter.com/#!/emmabung
[21:37] <AlanBell> https://code.launchpad.net/~alanbell/+junk/circleoffriends my streaming client
[21:37] <Azelphur> tiim: lol
[21:37] <Azelphur> AlanBell: cool, I'm using the tweetstream library
[21:37] <Azelphur> in python
[21:38] <AlanBell> I might have another hack at that some day and make it more of a twitter wall client, so just for presentation of tweets rather than as a twitter client you would use
[21:41] <tiim> I don't get twitter. It's good for posting links if you blog, but... not as good as RSS. Otherwise it seems hard to say anything worth saying in n letters
[21:42] <AlanBell> Azelphur: you could follow the stream of people who are surprised that Titanic was real
[21:43] <Azelphur> haha
[22:03] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jonathan Riddell] Calligra Released - http://blogs.kde.org/node/4567
[22:03] <Riddell> ooh it's me
[22:08] <bigcalm> Fame at last!
[22:17] <majster-pl> http://ubuntuone.com/0Yi8BrAKRrPYiuEMEvTsQt  anyone have this wallpaper problem ? gnome 3.4
[22:18] <ali1234> never seen anything like that with unity
[22:18] <ali1234> but the wallpaper is done by nautilus afaik so it should look the same
[22:20] <majster-pl> hmm.. its looks ok after restart... but after some time of normal using desktop its going like on picture...
[22:20] <ali1234> it looks like a scaling issue
[22:21] <ali1234> like there's two copies of the wallpaper... can't really think of a reason why that would happen
[22:21] <ali1234> are you running a program that changes the screen mode or using an external display or anything like that?
[22:22] <majster-pl> no I can think of... its fresh ubuntu install
[22:23] <majster-pl> all I installed is gnome-shell advance-settings compiz-config
[22:24] <majster-pl> the wallpaper looks ok when I go to preview mode.
[22:26] <majster-pl> ali1234, here is what happen when I change wallpaper
[22:26] <majster-pl> http://ubuntuone.com/0u4bUHXv04IKKVikuR768b
[22:27] <ali1234> ok so it looks like you have two copies of nautilus running in desktop mode and with different screen sizes
[22:27] <ali1234> you should open a bug, and include a link to that video
[22:27] <majster-pl> ok will do it now
[22:28] <ali1234> did you run anything as root/sudo?
[22:28] <majster-pl> only apt-get
[22:34] <ali1234> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=614682
[22:34] <ali1234> looks very similar
[22:34] <ali1234> please link the bug report when you've done it
[22:36] <majster-pl> should I reported under gnome-shell package ?
[22:36] <ali1234> report it under nautilus
[22:36] <majster-pl> ok
[22:36] <ali1234> just run "ubuntu-bug nautilus" from shell
[22:36] <majster-pl> ok
[22:40] <ali1234> can you also please attach output of "xrandr"
[22:40] <ali1234> if it isn't already
[22:40] <majster-pl> here it is, sorry but its my first bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/979416
[22:40] <ali1234> ok that's a good start :)
[22:41] <majster-pl> ;-)
[22:41] <ali1234> i'm going to attach a bug watch to that gnome bug
[22:45] <majster-pl> ok I attached xrander output to it...
[22:46] <ali1234> hmm... yes that shows only one defined monitor... so i am stumped really
[22:46] <ali1234> hopefully the gnome experts can fix it
[22:47] <majster-pl> we'll see... fingers crossed :D
[22:48] <ali1234> you might want to subscribe to the gnome bug, and maybe confirm it...
[22:53] <majster-pl> what is best way to subscribe it to gnome team ?
[22:53] <ali1234> just subscribe yourself :)
[22:54] <ali1234> i'm not sure it's the same bug now...
[22:54] <ali1234> well, we'll see
[22:55] <ali1234> there's this bug too https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/804435
[22:55] <ali1234> but that claims to be fixed
[22:58] <majster-pl> true
[22:59] <majster-pl> ali1234, thanks for your help and I will wait and see...
[22:59] <majster-pl> now time for bed
[22:59] <majster-pl> bye
[23:29] <ali1234> https://launchpad.net/bug/971130
[23:30] <ali1234> bug 971130
[23:30] <ali1234> bug 966417


[11:21] <gioele> hi, which command or systemd unit, during the boot process, calls `netplan generate` or the sd-generator script?
[11:23] <gioele> oh, I see: the systemd-generator will be called by systemd itself early in the boot process
[12:04] <slyon> yes exactly. netplan is a systemd-generator itself via the /lib/systemd/system-generators/netplan symlink


[06:50] <jibel> good morning
[11:47] <DanChapman> Wow! saucy is not liking me today, keep crashing Xorg :S
[14:19] <balloons> DanChapman, let's see if autopilot is unbroken today.. or if I too have to rollback
[14:29] <DanChapman> balloons, mine is fine today after updates so fingers crossed for you :)
[14:39] <balloons> ok third times the charm
[14:41] <DanChapman> balloons, i ran fileroller on a very small vm to test that hack held up ok, and it worked fine
[14:42] <balloons> perfect works fine as expected
[14:42] <balloons> and autopilot too :-)
[14:42] <DanChapman> :-)
[14:44] <balloons> it's in :-)
[14:44] <balloons> so what happened with evince?
[14:45] <DanChapman> Ive started it again as the new UI means we can have better introspection. Will have a new branch there soon :D
[14:45] <balloons> ohh really? that's exciting!
[14:46] <balloons> changes that help make our lives easier :-)
[14:47] <DanChapman> Indeed they do :D they were considerate and put a nice little settings button in the window and done away with the global menu's  :)
[14:48] <DanChapman> saucy is giving me a hard time today though, keep crashing xorg :(
[14:50] <DanChapman> balloons with the 'current' evince test it has a test full screen opens test and a seperate full screen closes test. Would it not be better to put it into one?
[14:50] <DanChapman> check it opens then check it closes again
[14:52] <balloons> DanChapman, lol, yes I would place them into one :-)
[14:52] <DanChapman> sweet :D i never understood why they were seperate
[14:57] <balloons> DanChapman, don't ever be afraid to change things up if they don't make sense :-) Likely you'll find people will appreciate the change. At worst it's simply is picked up in the merge request review
[14:58] <balloons> your going to have a moment where you go back to add something to a previous test and change your own old code :-)
[14:58] <balloons> those are fun moments.. you get a what the? moment and realize you wrote it
[14:59] <DanChapman> lol yeah those are great moments
[15:23] <balloons> xnox, if your about -- you got ubiquity and autopilot working eh? :-) I want to see!
[15:26] <xnox> balloons: i did =)
[15:26] <balloons> <3
[15:30] <DanChapman> ooo that sounds interesting balloons :D
[15:31] <balloons> xnox, so when/if your ready can you share a branch for us to look at or hack on?
[15:31] <balloons> ohh.. I see the branch now in your mail, sorry :-)
[15:31] <xnox> balloons: indeed. =)
[15:34] <balloons> xnox, so I wonder if we can use otto to provision this and run these tests.. jibel ?
[15:35] <xnox> balloons: what's "otto"? utah? well at the moment the only tests there is, checks the "title" of the window =)
[15:36] <DanChapman> this is going to drive me nuts!!
[15:37] <balloons> xnox, sure.. otto is a tool jibel made that uses an image to provision a lxc container.. https://launchpad.net/otto
[15:38] <balloons> not sure if testing the actual installer bits can work in it, but ..
[15:38] <xnox> balloons: not sure that would work for ubiquity, as it needs raw access to disk drive devices nodes e.g. /dev/sda
[15:38] <balloons> indeed :-)
[15:38] <balloons> but doing vm provisioning will certainly work
[15:42] <jibel> xnox, otto is the tool we made with didrocks to replace utah for autopilot testing. We are deploying it for daily release testing http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/autopilot-raring-daily_release/label=autopilot-nvidia/ (don't worry about failures, we are testing that it fails as expected =))
[15:44] <balloons> jibel, do you think it would work for something as low level as ubiquity.. could you passthrough or emulate a disk?
[15:46] <jibel> balloons, we could certainly create fake block devices
[15:46] <jibel> balloons, I'd rather not use the disks of the host system, since there is only one on the machines in the lab :)
[15:46] <balloons> jibel, ohh trust me, I agree :-)
[15:48] <balloons> xnox, so I think I'll hack on this a bit and try and get a full test done for a basic auto-resize install
[15:48] <xnox> balloons: good luck =) hit me up, if there are any questions.
[15:49] <balloons> thanks.. and thank you for making this work.. this is exciting!
[16:49] <phillw> balloons: you about?
[16:50] <balloons> phillw, halfway


[01:12] <mup> Bug #1735207 changed: [2.x] MAAS not adding mtu size change to dhcpd.conf <cpe-onsite> <MAAS:Fix Released by mpontillo> <MAAS 2.3:Triaged by mpontillo> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1735207>
[07:23] <tosaraja> We were struck by https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/10234815/ in our host just a moment ago. What's the process of getting this fix into MAAS deployed 16.04 LTS images?
[08:43] <mup> Bug #1756016 opened: enlisting and commissioning breaks when a node impi interface is on a different (but routable) network from the MAAS endpoint <MAAS:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1756016>
[16:08] <mup> Bug #1756127 opened: api_url regexp wrong during enlist/commission <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1756127>
[21:39] <mup> Bug #1756181 opened: [2.4, b1] When creating or updating a KVM pod, it doesn't save tags. <MAAS:In Progress by newell-jensen> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1756181>


[06:00] <KGB-2> mutter Daniel van Vugt 382221 * commented merge request !88 * https://deb.li/2rd0
[07:42] <seb128> goood morning desktopers!
[08:57] <Fudgey> hi is 22.04 built with live build?
[09:36] <KGB-0> mutter Simon McVittie 382289 * commented merge request !88 * https://deb.li/igWVl
[11:10] <tomreyn> in case you'd like to make the keyboard (and thus LUKS password entry) work during boot on current ms surface laptops, see bug 2007050
[11:10] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Bug 2007050 in initramfs-tools (Ubuntu) "Check for Microsoft Surface keyboard modules when generating initrd" [Undecided, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2007050
[12:55] <lissyx> seb128, bandali, so I should likely resume working next week
[12:58] <KGB-0> gnome-text-editor pristine-tar e5d69ab Jeremy Bicha gnome-text-editor_44~beta.orig.tar.xz.delta gnome-text-editor_44~beta.orig.tar.xz.id * pristine-tar data for gnome-text-editor_44~beta.orig.tar.xz * https://deb.li/3ZIfd
[12:58] <KGB-2> gnome-text-editor upstream/latest c0febf1 Jeremy Bicha * pushed 149 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/3Bujz
[12:58] <KGB-2> gnome-text-editor upstream/latest 7b9d69c Fran Dieguez po/gl.po * Update Galician translation * https://deb.li/Zucl
[12:59] <KGB-2> gnome-text-editor upstream/latest 6b38cc0 Sabri Ünal po/tr.po * Update Turkish translation * https://deb.li/3dD4I
[12:59] <KGB-2> gnome-text-editor upstream/latest 5243e4d Fabio Tomat po/fur.po * Update Friulian translation * https://deb.li/uwyE
[12:59] <KGB-2> gnome-text-editor upstream/latest 64e71fd Sabri Ünal help/C/ edit-search-and-replace.page edit-undo-redo.page * doc: Use Main Menu instead of Hamburger Menu * https://deb.li/ipIDe
[12:59] <KGB-2> gnome-text-editor upstream/latest 65c3c2b Christian Hergert help/C/ edit-search-and-replace.page edit-undo-redo.page * Merge branch 'help-menu' into 'main' * https://deb.li/Ww67
[13:02] <seb128> lissyx, hey, ah nice, I hope everything is ok for you!
[13:21] <ricotz> seb128, hello :), there are thunderbird 102.8.0 builds at the usual place, the tarball isn't using the "strings-all" tarball while I wasn't able to find it, afaict it should be in https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/thunderbird/candidates/102.8.0-candidates/build2/source/ -- https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+sourcepub/14507005/+listing-archive-extra
[13:21] <seb128> ricotz, hey, thanks, I will check that in a bit.
[13:22] <seb128> ricotz, https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/102.8.0/releasenotes/ mentions the lack of tarball in the 'known issues' section
[13:22] <seb128> 'Source strings for localized builds not uploaded to FTP as expected'
[13:22] <ricotz> ah I see
[13:23] <ricotz> at least our custom tarball is reproducible now
[13:24] <seb128> right
[13:24] <lissyx> seb128, yes, she's moving to continous care today, and hopefully out of hospital this weekend/monday
[13:24] <seb128> great!
[15:15] <KGB-2> gtk3 signed tags 5a74424 Jeremy Bicha ubuntu/3.24.36-4ubuntu1 * gtk+3.0 Debian release 3.24.36-4ubuntu1 * https://deb.li/7Cnx
[15:15] <KGB-2> gtk3 ubuntu/master a4ac440 Jeremy Bicha debian/changelog * releasing package gtk+3.0 version 3.24.36-4ubuntu1 * https://deb.li/3F5dE
[19:38] <KGB-0> libadwaita pipeline Jeremy Bicha 501198 * pending (extract-source: pending; build: created; build i386: created; build source: created; test-build-any: created; test-build-all: created; test-crossbuild-arm64: created; reprotest: created; lintian: created; autopkgtest: created; blhc: created; piuparts: created)
[19:50] <KGB-0> libadwaita pipeline Jeremy Bicha 501198 * [6 minutes and 37 seconds] failed (extract-source: success; build: failed; build i386: failed; build source: failed; test-build-any: skipped; test-build-all: skipped; test-crossbuild-arm64: skipped; reprotest: skipped; lintian: skipped; autopkgtest: skipped; blhc: skipped; piuparts: skipped)
[20:20] <KGB-0> nautilus pristine-tar 717957f Jeremy Bicha nautilus_44~beta.orig.tar.xz.delta nautilus_44~beta.orig.tar.xz.id * pristine-tar data for nautilus_44~beta.orig.tar.xz * https://deb.li/YQri
[20:23] <KGB-2> nautilus upstream/latest cef8877 Jeremy Bicha * pushed 62 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/3LnB7
[20:23] <KGB-2> nautilus upstream/latest 8ba536c Hugo Carvalho po/pt.po * Update Portuguese translation * https://deb.li/0AfU
[20:23] <KGB-2> nautilus upstream/latest 062cc92 Yosef Or Boczko po/he.po * Update Hebrew translation * https://deb.li/ipQ3F
[20:23] <KGB-2> nautilus upstream/latest c3921a1 Yuri Chornoivan po/uk.po * Update Ukrainian translation * https://deb.li/jAmM
[20:23] <KGB-2> nautilus upstream/latest a1ca3d9 Aurimas Černius po/lt.po * Update Lithuanian translation * https://deb.li/3ZQjj
[20:23] <KGB-2> nautilus upstream/latest 6f2955d Asier Sarasua Garmendia po/eu.po * Update Basque translation * https://deb.li/BnM4


[00:12] <chrisccoulson> hi, could someone from motu-release take a quick look at bug 432169 and let me know if they think i'm ok to go ahead and upload (when I've finished packaging it), or whether I will need to do a FF exception request for it instead?
[00:14] <Laney> chrisccoulson: did you see that it's in debian
[00:14] <Laney> ?
[00:15] <chrisccoulson> Laney - i didn't, but i do now ;)
[00:16] <Laney> always handy!
[00:16] <chrisccoulson> pah, debian have renamed all of the binary packages
[00:16] <chrisccoulson> they're different to ours now
[00:16] <Laney> boo
[00:17] <chrisccoulson> it might be best just to update for now and then re-sync with debian next cycle
[00:17] <chrisccoulson> saying that, it doesn't have many rdepends
[00:33] <chrisccoulson> i suppose if I'm going to do a MIR for libgda4, i should probably rebase it with Debian before that actually
[01:30] <qwebirc69935> hello, i'm working on a translation for a program with PoEdit. but the language i'm translating into is RTL so i wanted to test some lines before i continue. is there a way to do that?
[01:38] <qwebirc69935> hello, i'm working on a translation for a program with PoEdit. but the language i'm translating into is RTL so i wanted to test some lines before i continue. is there a way to do that?
[07:09] <dholbach> good morning
[07:47] <slytherin> ScottK: You had mentioned that using xvfb when building java-gnome will not work on sparc. Is there any particular reason for that?
[10:08] <dholbach> james_w is doing reviews in #ubuntu-reviews
[10:16] <slytherin> dholbach: I forgot to tell you think sometime back. I tried merging ttf-indic-fonts but was not successful. I don't have mush knowledge about fonts and hints and wasn't sure which files should go in which package.
[10:18] <dholbach> slytherin: best to ask ArneGoetje
[10:19] <dholbach> I merely gave it a quick review because I was sponsoring
[10:19] <dholbach> Arne worked on some splitting of the package
[10:20] <slytherin> hmm
[11:32] <rombust> Hi, I'm after some information to update an existing package. It is "libclanlib", maintainer "Ubuntu MOTU Developers".
[11:32] <rombust> It is using a very old version (0.8), that migrated into 1.0 - That is now unsupported by the clanlib developers.
[11:32] <rombust> Now ClanLib 2.0.4 has been released ( http://clanlib.org/examples.html ) - I need to find who (if any) are maintaining the clanlib package
[11:32] <rombust> (Note, ClanLib 2.0.0 is not compatible with ClanLib 1.0.0 - And should be treated as a seperate package)
[11:35] <james_w> rombust: the last uploader of that package is not on IRC currently
[11:35] <james_w> https://launchpad.net/~andreserl
[11:37] <james_w> rombust: you could talk to the Debian/Ubuntu games team as they maintain it
[11:39] <rombust> james_w: Thanks
[11:45] <slytherin> james_w: If you are not too busy can you please review java-gnome in NEW queue and approve it. The package is in queue because of a new -doc binary package.
[11:49] <james_w> slytherin: give me a minute and I'll take a look
[11:49] <slytherin> thanks
[13:21] <toabctl> hi all
[13:21] <toabctl> does anybody know why /dev/log is no more available in karmic?
[13:43] <ScottK> slytherin: It (xvfb) is broken on sparc.  It either sefaults or fails to start.
[13:43] <slytherin> ScottK: Ok.
[14:08] <sistpoty|work> hi folks
[14:10] <sebner> huhu sistpoty|work :D
[14:10] <sistpoty|work> hi sebner
[14:52] <walterl> hi
[14:53] <walterl> i'm updating two packages with the new version of package A depending on the new version of package B. how can i add the new version of package B to my pbuilder environment to allow package A to be built?
[14:55] <sistpoty|work> walterl: personally I'm using mini-dinstall to have a local repo and am pointing my sources list of the pbuilder chroot to that as an additional entry
[14:56] <sistpoty|work> walterl: but if it's only one package, you could simply --login --save-after-login and install the package just inside the chroot
[14:56] <walterl> sistpoty|work: as in `sudo pbuilder --login --save-after-login`?
[14:57] <sistpoty|work> walterl: yes... (this will also print you where the chroot is exctracted, in case you want to copy files from/to it)
[14:57] <walterl> sistpoty|work: great, thanks!
[14:57] <sistpoty|work> np
[15:00] <sistpoty|work> hi bddebian
[15:01] <sebner> huhu bddebian :)
[15:02] <bddebian> Heya sistpoty|work, sebner
[15:25] <jagadish> hello can any body help me how to make at command execute using bash shell instead of sh shell
[15:40] <sebner> jagadish: you can pass SHELL=/bin/bash to the make command
[15:40] <jagadish> where in the shell script
[15:41] <jagadish> done mind iam new to shell script
[15:45] <sebner> jagadish: in your rules file? when you have a shell script to only have to change the shebang
[15:46] <jagadish> #bashcheck
[15:46] <jagadish> SHELL=bin/bash
[15:46] <jagadish> echo "this is bash sript" > file
[15:46] <jagadish> #bashcheck
[15:46] <jagadish> SHELL=bin/bash
[15:46] <dholbach> sebner: do you know the -v<version> argument for debuild? :)
[15:46] <jagadish> echo "this is bash sript" > file
[15:47] <jagadish> no i dont know can u help me
[15:47] <sebner> dholbach: heh, sure. I'll tell my laziness :\
[15:51] <sebner> jagadish: I don't really know what you want :\ does it has something todo with -motu?
[15:52] <jagadish> i want to execute my shell using bash which is scedule using at utility command
[15:52] <zul> dholbach: for the xen-3.4 stuff its probably too late now
[15:53] <dholbach> #ubuntu-classroom Session in 8 minutes: How to run an Ubuntu Jam session!
[15:53] <dholbach> zul: I just noticed because it's hanging around for a bit longer already
[15:53] <zul> dholbach: should I unsubscribe the main-sponsorship?
[15:54] <dholbach> zul: if you subscribe to it, and tell the sponsor, I guess it should be fine
[15:54] <zul> dholbach: k thanks!
[15:54] <sebner> jagadish: your shellscript just has to use #!/bin/bash as shebang
[15:56] <jagadish> ya i did it like that only but when i sechduled using at utility command it gives me a waring it is going to execute in /bin/sh
[15:56] <jagadish> and prints my scheduled time
[16:03] <wubbbi> Hello :) how can I help on Developing ubuntu? I have not so much c++ experience ... so are there any tiny things I can do? I got a lot of freetime today :)
[16:03] <dholbach> wubbbi: be sure to check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/GettingStarted and take it from there
[16:04] <dholbach> all the important documentation is linked to there
[16:05] <ScottK> sistpoty|work: I'd appreciate it if you'd look at the matplotlib FFe.  I think we want it and it's ready.
[16:05] <wubbbi> dholbach: Do you have this side in german too? this would be very helpfull!
[16:06] <sistpoty|work> ScottK: *looking*
[16:06] <ScottK> THanks.
[16:06] <dholbach> wubbbi: I'm afraid not... we're thinking about translating the packaging guide, but that's not done yet
[16:06] <dholbach> wubbbi: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Videos has some (English videos), if you prefer that
[16:06] <dholbach> but sitll it's English
[16:07] <wubbbi> ok ... I'll try my best. But in english it it harder to understand for me ^^
[16:08] <RoAkSoAx> dholbach, what's the process to apply to u-u-s?
[16:09] <dholbach> RoAkSoAx: just tell any of the admins to add you to the team
[16:09] <dholbach> I'm not
[16:09] <dholbach> but persia and TheMuso are
[16:09] <dholbach> and I guess somebody else too :)
[16:10] <RoAkSoAx> dholbach, cool thanks :)
[16:12] <mok0> RoAkSoAx: congrats on MOTUism
[16:13] <sebner> aloha mok0 :)
[16:13] <mok0> yo, sebner!
[16:13] <RoAkSoAx> mok0, thank you :)
[16:13] <sebner> mok0: everything fine? =)
[16:13] <mok0> Uhm, yes
[16:14] <mok0> sebner: sunny outside, friday afternoon.... what more can you wish for?
[16:14] <sebner> mok0: heh, I still have holidays so I don't really care :P
[16:15] <mok0> sebner: out of the grasp of the army?
[16:15] <sebner> mok0: yeah, already 2 months ago :) starting with university in 2 weeks
[16:15] <mok0> sebner: good for you!
[16:15] <sebner> mok0: thx, we'll see ^^
[16:16] <mok0> sebner: what subject?
[16:16] <sebner> mok0: computer science ... surprise, surprise ... what a surprise ^^
[16:16] <mok0> sebner: ah, another one :-)
[16:16] <sebner> mok0: more exactly Software and Information Engineering
[16:16] <ScottK> It's more of an art than a science, but whatever ...
[16:17] <sebner> ScottK: haha! xD
[16:17] <mok0> sebner: how do you "engineer" information? Is that legal? :-P
[16:17] <sebner> mok0: pssst, nobody needs to know :P
[16:17] <mok0> "I'm in the information engineering business"
[16:17] <sebner> heh
[16:18] <mok0> Just one of these crafty buzzword type of things designed to lure students into the fold
[16:18] <mok0> ;-)
[16:18] <mok0> "nano-technology" is the big buzzword thing at my faculty
[16:19] <sebner> mok0: hmm, no worries. I can chance next year to computer engineering
[16:19] <sebner> *change
[16:19] <mok0> sebner: nice
[16:20] <mok0> Dunno much about computer science; I do know there's a split between engineering type and the more academic type
[16:20] <sebner> mok0: and if everything is too difficult for me I'll choose media informatics *g*
[16:20] <AnAnt> nhandler: seen LP 404272
[16:20] <mok0> :-) lol
[16:21] <AnAnt> mterry: I think you should subscribe motu-release to this bug ^
[16:21] <AnAnt> mterry: erm, no, sorry
[16:23] <sebner> mok0: btw, guess what just happened. The whole days I worked hard to fill ubuntu-archive with sync requests and I really got >50% rate of sync requests and then a overmotivated archive-admin destroyed everything and now I have 0 *g*
[16:23] <sistpoty|work> ScottK: matplotlib confirmed
[16:23] <ScottK> sistpoty|work: Thanks
[16:24] <mok0> sebner: yydrk, destroyed, how?
[16:24] <sebner> mok0: aka processed the syncs xD
[16:24] <mok0> sebner: these were FFE's?
[16:25] <sebner> mok0: nope, FTBFS fixes for latest archive rebuild
[16:25] <mok0> sebner: wicked
[16:25] <sebner> mok0: yeah, 15!
[16:25] <mok0> sebner: did you note down which ones they were?
[16:26]  * mok0 never trusts a computer, always has a notebook
[16:26] <sebner> mok0: I personally know the names but as the rebuild status site doesn't have a comment field ...
[16:27] <mok0> sebner: sigh
[17:12] <james_w> am I being stupid? This python package doesn't call setup.py install before dh_install
[17:12] <james_w> I thought that it would
[17:19] <RoAkSoAx> ScottK, any ideas on the nginx backport issue?
[17:19] <ScottK> RoAkSoAx: I didn't get a chance to look at in in detail yet.  Probably tonight or tomorrow.
[17:19] <RoAkSoAx> ScottK, ok cool, thanks :)
[17:22] <james_w> wha?
[17:23] <james_w> cdbs runs setup.py install after arch: all debs have been built but before arch: any debs are built?
[17:28] <leonel> beta freeze will be on  sept 24.  That's the  deadline for ubuntu universe package changes ?
[17:29] <ScottK> leonel: It depends on the kind of changes.  We'll keep fixing stuff up past the RC freeze.
[17:31] <james_w> ScottK: last release you had some ideas about making universe upload freezes better around release time
[17:32] <james_w> are we going to change them to match this time?
[17:33] <leonel> ScottK  Long time no see ,   Debian unstable has  cherokee 0.99.22  and karmic  has  0.99.19    I've pushed  0.99.24 to Debian unstable and is on queue for inclusion,  so  the last date is  sept 24 for cherokee 0.99.24  ??
[17:34] <ScottK> leonel: Yes.  Is it bug fixes or new features too?
[17:35] <ScottK> james_w: I did.  We froze way before we needed to due to security in soyuz.
[17:35] <leonel> Scottk  both,  cherokee  is a fast moving target, and getting ready for  version 1.0
[17:35] <ScottK> leonel: Then you'll need to ask for a feature freeze exception and we'll review it.
[17:36] <ScottK> james_w: It looks like mirror sync before release is the driver for when the last upload for Universe can happen now.  I need to bring this up at a release team meeting.  Thanks for reminding me.
[17:36] <leonel> ScottK ok
[17:37] <james_w> ScottK: great, thanks for trying to improve this
[17:37] <lamalex> Can someone help me figure out why my quilt-generated patch isn't applying when building the deb?
[17:38] <ScottK> lamalex: Is it listed in debian/patches/series?
[17:38] <lamalex> it's failing to find the appropriate level, shouldn't that be automagic with quilt?
[17:38] <lamalex> ScottK: yeah, it's attempting to apply and failing
[17:38] <ScottK> You have to specify the first time you import it, IIRC, but I'm not a quilt expert.
[17:41] <james_w> you can also specify it in the series file
[17:42] <james_w> I'm pretty sure it's not automagix
[17:43] <lamalex> hm. ive got no idea how to figure out what level it should apply at
[17:50] <tarundeep> how can I start contributing to ubuntu developmenet
[17:56] <lamalex> ah, got it
[17:57] <lamalex> original maintainer had apparently copied and pasted their rules file and had a rule for a patch system they weren't using!
[18:07] <leonel> ScottK Just checked with main debian maintainer for cherokee  and we need to do some repackaging before  0.99.24 gets into unstable so   the current version in Debian Unstable is 99.22  and karmic has  0.99.19   can a merge be done ?
[18:07] <ScottK> If it has new features, you still need to do the FFe, but probably.
[18:08] <leonel> ok thanks
[18:14] <randomaction> tarundeep: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/GettingStarted
[18:15] <tarundeep> thanks
[18:34] <tarundeep> I am following the instructions on following page - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Recipes/PackageUpdate but while doing  debuild -S -sa I get following error - Now signing changes and any dsc files...
[18:34] <tarundeep>  signfile brasero_0.6.1-ubuntu4.dsc MY NAME <MY EMAIL> gpg: skipped "MY NAME": secret key not available - although I can see keys in GNU Privacy Assistant
[18:38] <randomaction> If you're not really going to upload the package, you can build it with debuild -S -uc -us
[18:38] <randomaction> i.e. without signing it
[18:38] <tarundeep> ok if i want to upload the package than how to sign it ?
[18:38] <wubbbi> I have sendet my gnupg key 10000 times to the key server. But I still cant use it on launchpad -.-
[18:39] <wubbbi> gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --send-keys .... is this wrong?
[18:39] <tarundeep> wubbbi: I am also facing same problem, I have also uploaded key to keyserver but it is not visible
[18:39] <wubbbi> is the keyserver broken atm?
[18:47] <geser> is your key visible on other keyservers?
[18:47] <geser> as the keyservers exchange the keys you can choose the keyserver you want for uploading your key
[18:49] <tarundeep> ok I will try that thanks
[18:50] <sebner> geser: you're lucky that I can upload myself. 15 sync requests and ~5 uploads to fix FTBFS \o/
[18:51] <geser> nice
[18:54] <sebner> geser: for a short period of time I was responsible for >50% of the sync requests for ubuntu-archive :P
[19:29] <wubbbi> What is going on with the ubuntu keyserver? oO
[19:42] <wubbbi> ok ... I have done the tutorial for ubuntu development. Now. What can I do?
[19:44] <ScottK> wubbbi: I think there is a session on fixing build failures in #ubuntu-classroom in ~15 minutes.  Join that and see what you find to do.
[19:44]  * ScottK hopes he got the time right.
[19:44] <wubbbi> ScottK: ok thank you
[19:51] <sebner> ScottK: yep 19 UTC
[19:57] <sebner> sistpoty: good timing ^^
[19:57] <sistpoty> sebner: heh, yes... just finished eating and getting my system back up :)
[19:58] <sebner> heh :)
[20:06] <asomething> FTBFS session starting now in #ubuntu-classroom
[20:13] <dhillon-v10> hi andv
[20:45] <RainCT> Anyone got Ubuntu One working on Debian?
[21:41] <funkyHat> Running pbuilder --create puts a file in /var/cache/pbuilder/base.tgz - but running pbuilder-dist karmic build looks for the tgz in ~/pbuilder/karmic-base.tgz
[21:41] <funkyHat> Have I done something wrong?
[21:41] <psusi> I'm trying to setup an install with debootstrap, but run into issues when chrooting into the new system to install more packages... for instance, at fails to install because it can't start the daemon ( of course it can't, it's already running on the real system and should not try to start again inside the chroot ), am I doing something wrong?
[21:47] <geser> funkyHat: pbuilder itself supports only one pbuilder, pbuilder-dist is a wrapper around pbuilder to support several pbuilders (e.g. different Ubuntu releases)
[21:47] <funkyHat> geser: oh, so I should be using pbuilder-dist when creating as well?
[21:48] <geser> so either create one with pbuilder-dist karmic create (or move your existing base.tgz to the by pbuilder-dist expected location)
[21:48] <funkyHat> Ok :)
[21:48] <funkyHat> Thanks
[21:48] <funkyHat> Yeah, I did that and it worked
[21:55] <directhex> i don't have pbuilder-dist
[21:55] <directhex> i have a custom pbuilderrc which uses environment vars to allow multiple builders
[21:58] <geser> sistpoty: a ...+dsfg-1 upload doesn't need a FFe if it's for the same upstream version, right?
[21:59] <sistpoty> geser: I consider stripping non-free sources a bugfix, so if that's the only change, no FFe needed
[22:01] <geser> sistpoty: the other changes are packaging changes: http://packages.qa.debian.org/p/pdftk/news/20090918T120217Z.html
[22:01] <geser> it's to fix bug 384515
[22:04] <sistpoty> geser: it's not really over my threshold for a FFe...
[22:05] <sistpoty> geser: though the "doesn't work" thingy you wrote in the bug report should be fixed :O
[22:05] <geser> sistpoty: the current version in karmic works, but contains those problematic source files
[22:05] <geser> my attempt to fix it didn't work
[22:06] <geser> now there is a version in debian that fixes it and works :)
[22:06] <sistpoty> geser: ah, excellent
[22:06] <sistpoty> geser: just quote me in the sync request that no FFe is needed
[22:07] <sebner> sistpoty: I'm always wondering if anyone have/will fake such a quote *hrhr*
[22:11] <sistpoty> sebner: I'm reading -changes and sometimes look at sync request to ensure it's all ok :P
[22:11] <sebner> sistpoty: sometimes :P
[22:11] <sistpoty> hehe
[22:27] <geser> sebner: now you are being watched by sistpoty to not to try it :)
[22:28] <sebner> geser: hehe, don't worry I usually request a FFe for stuff (games!) sistpoty ACKes volunteering with pleasure :P
[22:29]  * sistpoty always checks if critical changes to games still work... that's a tough job *g*
[22:30] <sebner> We spent hours and hours of our freetime to check carefully if really __everything__ is OKAY! *hrhr*
[22:30] <sebner> *spend even
[22:32] <rowinggolfer_> help needed, my karmic box is upgrading. and has asked this question
[22:32] <rowinggolfer_> Setting up cups-pdf (2.5.0-8) ...
[22:32] <rowinggolfer_>  * Reloading Common Unix Printing System: cupsd                          [ OK ]
[22:32] <rowinggolfer_> Password for root on localhost?
[22:33] <rowinggolfer_> a root password? this is ubuntu... I'm lost... help!
[22:36] <sistpoty> rowinggolfer_: can you ask tkamppeter (in #ubuntu-devel) about that? afaict the reason for this might be the ppd auto-update feature, so the fix should be known... (and eventually already be uploaded to proper, but tkamppeter knows for sure)
[22:36] <rowinggolfer_> sistpoty, thanks. will do
[22:40] <rowinggolfer_> sistpoty, ta.. they sorted me out.
[22:43] <c_korn> hello, I am trying to fix gambas2. it FTBFS because of the const char* to char* conversion thing. it fails in line 5 here. http://pastebin.com/d3445f605 currently I do not find another solution than just doing a cast there.
[22:47] <sistpoty> c_korn: you could copy the string (strcpy) perform the substituion there, and use the copy to lookup the result
[22:47] <sistpoty> c_korn: but you'd need to make sure to free the copied string then again
[22:48] <sistpoty> c_korn: need an example?
[22:50] <c_korn> eh, would be better. I did not code in C for years.
[22:51] <sistpoty> c_korn: I'll do it right in pastebin, so I hope that it will compile ;)
[22:51] <c_korn> fine
[22:53] <sistpoty> c_korn: http://pastebin.com/m3ad8b33e
[22:54] <adorilson_> hi
[22:54] <sistpoty> c_korn: eventually you'll need to #include <assert.h> (or <cassert> for c++) for the assertion
[22:54] <sistpoty> hi adorilson_
[22:54] <adorilson_> can i report packages bug on ubuntu 9.04?
[22:55] <adorilson_> ( sorry, my english. english is not my native language )
[22:55] <sistpoty> adorilson_: ideally with ubuntu-bug <packagename> on a shell ;)
[22:55] <adorilson_> the zend-framework package is bugged
[22:57] <adorilson_> sistpoty, it's nice. i don't knowed
[22:58] <sistpoty> funkyHat: libofa uploaded, thanks!
[22:58] <sistpoty> adorilson_: you're welcome
[22:58] <funkyHat> yay :)
[22:58] <sistpoty> (sorry, was distracted so I didn't get around to uploading it earlier)
[22:59] <funkyHat> sistpoty: that's fine, geser helped me correct an error I had with my initial patch anyway :)
[22:59] <sistpoty> :)
[23:00] <c_korn> sistpoty: ah, so the call to strchr() with the char* as argument executes the implementation which also returns a char* ? and this can then be modified.
[23:03] <c_korn> what happens if the assertion fails ? does the app crash ? or just output an error to &2 ?
[23:04] <c_korn> (well if s is NULL the app will propably crash anyway)
[23:05] <geser> c_korn: strchr() points to the first occurance of the second argument in the string (1st argument) and returns a pointer to it. if it a r/w variable (char *) you get a pointer which can also be modified, if you used it on a read-only variable (const char *) you get a pointer which is also const char *
[23:05] <chrisccoulson> c_korn - strchr returns a pointer to the first occurrence of the character you specify. so, if you pass a const char*, then the returned pointer will also be a const char*
[23:05] <chrisccoulson> heh,  what geser said ;)
[23:05] <c_korn> heh, thanks geser and chrisccoulson
[23:06] <sistpoty> c_korn: it will abort() so it will crash, but that happens only if there's no memory left (which is pretty fatal anyways)
[23:06] <geser> c_korn: it will crash, but if strcpy() fails you are doomed anyway
[23:06] <sistpoty> heh
[23:07] <c_korn> :) thanks
[23:08] <adorilson_> sistpoty, what command list the archives is in a package?
[23:09] <sistpoty> adorilson_: I'm sorry, I don't quite understand... do you mean if it is in main or in universe?
[23:09] <sistpoty> adorilson_: or do you mean the contents of the package?
[23:09] <geser> apt-cache madison $pkg is what I use
[23:09] <adorilson_> I mean the contents of the package
[23:09] <sistpoty> adorilson_: dpkg -L <package>
[23:10] <c_korn> or apt-file list <package> if it is not installed
[23:10] <geser> if it's installed, if you have a deb then "less", else packages.ubuntu.com
[23:15] <c_korn> hm, main.cpp:1023: error: invalid conversion from ‘int’ to ‘Dataset*’
[23:17] <c_korn> sistpoty: line 15 of your paste fails with this error http://pastebin.com/m3ad8b33e
[23:17] <adorilson_> sistpoty, dpkg -L is work. thanks
[23:17] <sistpoty> np
[23:18] <c_korn> hm, yes. ret should be of type int
[23:19] <sistpoty> c_korn: sorry, yes, you're correct... (that's the problem with /me doing a patch in pastebin... I don't get the matching bracket highlighted there *g*)
[23:19] <adorilson_> sistpoty, is ok this report? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zend-framework/+bug/432783
[23:20] <sistpoty> adorilson_: yes, thanks!
[23:22] <sistpoty> adorilson_: without really knowing, maybe the files are in a dependency (here in libzend-framework-php)?
[23:24] <adorilson_> sistpoty, I think don't. because I don't found the shell scripts zf*
[23:25] <sistpoty> adorilson_: can you add this to the bug report please?
[23:25] <adorilson_> sistpoty, yes, sure
[23:26] <sistpoty> thanks!
[23:28] <c_korn> sistpoty: it compiled successfully. thanks.
[23:28] <sistpoty> :)
[23:38] <sistpoty> strange debian/rules, courier: if [ `umask` != "0022" ]; then echo "You need to set umask to 022 in order to compile/build courier"; exit 1; fi
[23:43] <adorilson_> sistpoty, the report bug is updated
[23:46] <ScottK> sistpoty: courier is a 'fun' package.  I've given it to people as a merge for a final exam when going for MOTU.
[23:46] <ScottK> One person gave up and never came back.
[23:49] <sistpoty> adorilson_: thanks
[23:49] <sistpoty> ScottK: heh, yeah :)
[23:53] <c_korn> sistpoty: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gambas2/+bug/432792 there is the debdiff attached
[23:54] <sistpoty> c_korn: /me looks
[23:55] <sistpoty> c_korn: from a glimpse it looks good, test-building. If you haven't done so, can you forward the patch please?
[23:56] <c_korn> sistpoty: it builds fine here. so I should forward to debian using submittodebian ?
[23:56] <sistpoty> c_korn: yes
[23:56] <sistpoty> (/me uses reportbug -B debian <sourcepackage> since he hasn't installed ubuntu-dev-tools *g*