[00:00] <evil_tech> darn i found an l400 in my shop but its missing screen :P
[00:00] <malaeum> well its got a vga port on the back.
[00:01] <malaeum> Well I can look into the BIOS update, but I don't have a floppy drive for this. I know there is a way to hack it onto a USB drive though.
[00:01] <malaeum> But even then he mentions a fix w/o the need to update
[00:01] <malaeum> So I guess I can try that, I think it was a kernel option during bootup
[00:03] <malaeum> now I have been having a completely seperate issue. I cannot get tzdata to configure properly and as such its preventing me from installing applications as dpkg needs ot
[00:04] <malaeum> I have tried purging and reinstalling, but when I reinstall it fails b/c of tzdata being configured incorrectly.
[00:04] <malaeum> but I just uninstalled it
[00:04] <malaeum> But thats something I am working on on my own, unless this a known issue with a quick fix
[00:06] <malaeum> ok well thanks for the help, I am going to go and eat some dinner
[00:50] <LastLemming> hi
[01:03] <asathoor> hi - I have xubuntu on an old pc - it freezes randomly
[01:03] <asathoor> i think it's a hw problem, but how can I detect what it is...
[01:03] <asathoor> ?
[01:10] <zach__> I'm finding that my fresh install of xubuntu isn't shutting down on my dell laptop
[01:11] <zach__> I had similar problems on a previous install with regular ubuntu (gnome) both 7.10
[01:11] <zach__> i didn't find a whole lot googling around... so I wonder if any of you had any ideas?
[01:27] <TheSheep> zach__: see the top of 'dmesg | less'
[01:27] <TheSheep> zach__: is there anything about disabling acpi?
[01:28] <yellowbox> hi i'm having some boot problems
[01:28] <yellowbox> it's only the second or third time i've rebooted since installing
[01:28] <yellowbox> and it hangs on "starting up"
[01:28] <zach__> i grepped for acpi... enabled
[01:28] <yellowbox> goes through the whole splash screen, progress bar fills up, but then it sits forever on "starting up..."
[01:29] <zach__> yellowbox, sounds like we both need a verbose startup/shutdown
[01:29] <yellowbox> i tried the boot menu and the non-quiet one
[01:29] <yellowbox> didnt see anything funky
[01:29] <yellowbox> not that i'd know
[01:30] <yellowbox> but it does seem to ask for a login on a command line before it all goes away and back to "starting up" forever
[01:31] <yellowbox> of course i'm not a quick enough typer to get it in before it disappears
[01:31] <zach__> google show anything?
[01:31] <yellowbox> i searched all over the freakin net for an answer
[01:31] <yellowbox> ergo, here i am
[01:31] <yellowbox> noob and all
[01:31] <yellowbox> i'm moderately techie but new to linux
[01:32] <zach__> yeah I'm in a similar boat
[01:32] <zach__> I know a bit of linux but not everything so any problem I see... google and irc
[01:33] <yellowbox> i booted from the livecd and am wading through the grub folder to figure out what any of it means and if any of it's f'ed up
[01:33] <yellowbox> but near as i can tell, nothing's corrupted or too weird
[01:33] <yellowbox> wtf?
[01:33] <yellowbox> will anyone take pity?
[01:33] <zach__> the linux gods are cruel
[01:34] <zach__> i've been smote many times
[01:35] <yellowbox> i should never have shut it down in the first place, but i just wanted to install a new fan
[01:35] <yellowbox> grrr
[01:35] <yellowbox> is there anyone here answering or is the room afk
[01:36] <zach__> have you tried a failsafe boot?
[01:36] <zach__> different kernel. etc etc.
[01:37] <yellowbox> a who?
[01:37] <yellowbox> it worked once or twice before, i swear
[01:38] <zach__> when you're just starting boot whatever boot manager grub will allow you to try a different boot setup
[01:38] <yellowbox> oh i tried the command line
[01:38] <zach__> it's there so that ideally you can always boot at the very least... an older kernel and config to get the box up
[01:38] <yellowbox> worked fine
[01:38] <zach__> but you said you didn't have time to input your login info?
[01:39] <yellowbox> no, thats on a standard boot
[01:39] <zach__> hmmm
[01:39] <yellowbox> it says Yellowbox Login: for a few secs before disappearing
[01:39] <yellowbox> Yellowbox being the name of the computer, obviously
[01:40] <yellowbox> what's recovery mode>
[01:40] <yellowbox> or, alternatively, how do i boot teh gui from teh command line once i get there
[01:41] <_zach_> i used to know that command...
[01:41] <_zach_> i think for gnome it's gdm
[01:41] <_zach_> for xfce...
[01:41] <_zach_> i'll ask google
[01:42] <yellowbox> using what search term
[01:42] <yellowbox> i tried
[01:42] <_zach_> maybe if you startx it'll start the display manager too...
[01:43] <_zach_> this is just a stab in the dark
[01:43] <yellowbox> it says, in part, "screens found, but none have a usable configuration"
[01:44] <_zach_> maybe x is misconfigured?
[01:45] <yellowbox> ooh, ya know what? i hit gdm and it did the exact same behavior that i see on my faulty startup
[01:45] <yellowbox> flashed away three times, gave me british pound signs across the top of the screen, and now only shows the first line on the command line screen and its frozen
[01:46] <_zach_> agh
[01:46] <_zach_> i'd say try dmesg... but it froze
[01:46] <yellowbox> yeah rebooting back to the command line
[01:46] <_zach_> maybe it's a video card issue
[01:46] <yellowbox> boo humbug
[01:46] <slliness> can anyone please tell me what the weather applet is in xfce since I only have a ubuntu machine around me right now, it is the one in the add applets to panel
[01:47] <_zach_> bad driver or something
[01:47] <yellowbox> never had a problem before
[01:47] <slliness> what it is called
[01:48] <_zach_> slliness, try xfce4-weather-plugin.
[01:48] <_zach_> that's the package at least
[01:49] <_zach_> yellowbox, is this a fresh xubuntu install or an upgrade to gusty?
[01:49] <slliness> _zach_, I dont have a xfce environment with me right now
[01:49] <slliness> oh
[01:49] <yellowbox> fresh gutsy
[01:49] <yellowbox> this puppy's only a couple weeks old
[01:49] <slliness> _zach_, since xfce uses a bit of gnome do you think I could install this in gnome
[01:49] <slliness> ?
[01:50] <_zach_> slliness, worth a shot
[01:50] <_zach_> yellowbox, do you have an ati card?
[01:50] <slliness> tis a very good applet was only wrong once in a year
[01:50] <yellowbox> i have no card
[01:51] <yellowbox> it's a via epia board
[01:51] <_zach_> yellowbox, uhhhhh onboard?
[01:51] <_zach_> yellowbox, so what's it using for video?
[01:51] <yellowbox> the video out on the back panel
[01:51] <_zach_> yellowbox, lspci and look for something involving video
[01:52] <yellowbox> vga compatible controller
[01:52] <slliness> _zach_, thanks :)
[01:52] <yellowbox> via tech vt8623 apollo cle266 integrated castlerock
[01:52] <MatBoy> someone using eclipse here for PHP-development ?
[01:52] <yellowbox> i swear it worked fine before i rebooted
[01:53] <_zach_> yellowbox, i'm getting the feeling you need to fix the xorg.conf... maybe use dpkg to build a new default?  i'm not sure
[01:54] <_zach_> MatBoy, I've run eclipse for java if that makes a difference
[01:54] <MatBoy> _zach_, it's developed for that
[01:54] <MatBoy> nah let me try it
[01:54] <MatBoy> I still love dreamweaver :P
[01:55] <yellowbox> so does xubuntu use gdm as the login/desktop?
[01:55] <_zach_> xfce is the window manager
[01:55] <_zach_> so I want to say no
[01:55] <_zach_> but I could be wrong
[01:56] <_zach_> jk
[01:56] <_zach_> it does
[01:56] <_zach_> i just went to configure the login window
[01:56] <yellowbox> so its gdm that's freaking out on me
[01:56] <_zach_> "/usr/sbin/gdmsetup"
[01:56] <_zach_> could very well be
[01:57] <_zach_> but x wasn't starting because it said something wasn't configured
[01:57] <_zach_> maybe see if there's a log or some way to boot verbose to keep track of things
[01:58] <yellowbox> right, startx says "(EE) via(0): no valid modes found"
[01:58] <yellowbox> then it says no usable screens found
[02:00] <yellowbox> come on, google, feeeeeed meeeeee
[02:01] <_zach_> little shop of horrors... heh
[02:12] <yellowbox> zach, i love you
[02:12] <yellowbox> you are the mackdaddy
[02:12] <yellowbox> xorg.conf was indeed f'ed up
[02:13] <yellowbox> google led me to "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg"
[02:13] <yellowbox> and that beautiful baby got me my yellowbox back
[02:13] <yellowbox> much love, zach
[02:14] <yellowbox> may the linux gods smile upon you
[02:15] <_zach_> now maybe my shutdown will function :-\
[02:16] <_zach_> yellowbox, linux troubleshooting is just a lot of deductive reasoning
[02:16] <yellowbox> i didnt even know what startx was/is
[02:16] <_zach_> now you do
[02:16] <yellowbox> now i do
[02:16] <_zach_> oh two little pointers
[02:16] <yellowbox> please
[02:16] <_zach_> if you ever need to restart your window manager
[02:16] <_zach_> ctrl + alt + backspace
[02:16] <_zach_> that's one i shouldve learned earlier than I did
[02:17] <yellowbox> interesting
[02:17] <_zach_> and it's nice to go into your display manager and set a keyboard shortcut for a terminal window
[02:17] <_zach_> it can make life a lot easier when you're running around command line a lot
[02:17] <yellowbox> which i try not to do
[02:17] <yellowbox> but thanks
[02:17] <_zach_> sometimes its unavoidable
[02:17] <_zach_> and a lot of times... it's more powerful
[02:18] <yellowbox> thanks for the help, champ
[02:18] <yellowbox> now its time to pull the head off it and let my server fly while i jet home for thanksgiving
[02:18] <yellowbox> peace out, linux homies
[02:41] <daurnimator> wwhat shirt do I wear?
[02:41] <daurnimator> wrong window
[02:43] <_zach_> the one with a penguin on it
[02:54] <FangLiger> hello
[02:55] <_zach_> yo
[02:55] <FangLiger> so could someone here help me out a little
[02:58] <_zach_> problem?
[03:02] <FangLiger> ummm kinda, it's more that i have xubuntu installed on my laptop, and it seems to take forever to boot up, it just sits at a black screen for about 10minutes and then starts the xserver at the log on screen
[03:03] <FangLiger> i don't know enough about xubuntu/ubuntu to know wether or not this is just the nature of the program or there is something going on that's not supposed to be
[03:03] <_zach_> i'd think 10 minutes is a bit long
[03:04] <_zach_> I'm personally having trouble on my laptop with a shutdown that either takes too long or doesn't shut down
[03:04] <_zach_> i haven't given it long enough to figure out if it's just slow
[03:04] <_zach_> blackscreen's on me and then I just say screw it and power down manually
[03:05] <FangLiger> ah so you give it the finger
[03:05] <FangLiger> lol
[03:09] <_zach_> pretty much
[03:09] <_zach_> i'd like to get a verbose readout of the shutdown/startup
[03:09] <kwhk> _zach_, what's your shutdown problem?
[03:09] <_zach_> but i can't seem to figure it out
[03:09] <_zach_> kwhk: it just doesn't
[03:10] <_zach_> it goes to a black screen and sits there
[03:10] <_zach_> i've never given it longer than a minute or 2 before powering down manually tho
[03:10] <kwhk> _zach_, do u see the splash page?
[03:10] <pussfeller> !restricted
[03:10] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:12] <_zach_> kwhk, see I turned off the splash in grub... but now there's just nothing
[03:12] <pussfeller> playing movies on a p2 400mhz with no choppiness
[03:12] <pussfeller> xvids even
[03:13] <_zach_> pussfeller, you serious?
[03:13] <kwhk> _zach_, previously i also need to push the power button to turn it off after seeing the splash screen sitting there.
[03:14] <kwhk> _azch_, then some gurus here told me ways to resolve it.
[03:14] <pussfeller> yeah zach
[03:15] <pussfeller> its got a mx400 in it tho, that helps
[03:15] <kwhk> _zach_, previously i had acpi=off.  they told me to change it to acpi=force.
[03:15] <pussfeller> they might be the old divx
[03:15] <pussfeller> but still
[03:15] <pussfeller> its only got 128 ram :(
[03:17] <_zach_> kwhk, in grub?
[03:18] <_zach_> pussfeller, if it's playing vids with those specs i see no reason for a ": (" i'd expect more ":-O"
[03:19] <kwhk> _zach_, yes, in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:21] <_zach_> kwhk, i searched thru it and acpi isn't in there even for acpi=off
[03:21] <_zach_> kwhk, any specific locaton it should be in?
[03:21] <kwhk> _zach_, another option is simply to remove the acpi=off.  but it works after i changed it to "force"
[03:22] <kwhk> on the "kernel" line.
[03:23] <_zach_> next reboot we'll see
[03:25] <pussfeller> its pretty slow zach, other wise, even with xubuntu
[03:25] <pussfeller> but... it works
[03:26] <hal9k2010> hello  all
[03:26] <kwhk> hi
[03:29] <_zach_> "will now halt" and hangs
[03:29] <_zach_> even after putting in acpi forced
[03:30] <hal9k2010> hello all i am a less than 24 hrs old xubuntu user... need some help finding a good place to learn  how to use the comand interface
[03:30] <hal9k2010> :-P
[03:31] <_zach_> google something along the lines of "bash cheat sheet"
[03:31] <hal9k2010> cool  thanks
[03:31] <_zach_> there's one-page lists of THE most common commands
[03:31] <_zach_> stuff you'll use pretty often
[03:31] <_zach_> the rest you just kinda pick up here and there as needed
[03:31] <_zach_> oh
[03:31] <_zach_> one that you'll always use
[03:31] <_zach_> "man"
[03:31] <_zach_> opens manuals
[03:32] <_zach_> for instance "man man" will open the manual on reading manuals
[03:32] <_zach_> take it from there
[03:32] <hal9k2010> last nite i spend 3 hrs triying to install flash player...  it was not fun
[03:33] <_zach_> oof
[03:33] <_zach_> google will be your best friend
[03:33] <kwhk> _zach_, sorry that it doesn't work for u. it works for me.
[03:33] <_zach_> kwhk, i'll keep searching
[03:34] <hal9k2010> i used a live cd of a old distro of ubuntu and it was easy because did all the installing for me
[03:35] <hal9k2010> now i am using xubuntu installed and it is been  an adventure
[03:35] <_zach_> xubuntu is kinda minimalist
[03:35] <_zach_> but ubuntu and xubuntu and debian all use apt
[03:35] <hal9k2010> ok explain
[03:35] <_zach_> apt-get install someprogram
[03:36] <hal9k2010> so xubuntu is a small version
[03:36] <_zach_> kinda
[03:36] <_zach_> it uses a different window manager than the regular ubuntu
[03:36] <hal9k2010> i was under the impresion it was only the desktop enviroment that change ...
[03:36] <_zach_> so the thing that keeps track of windows and makes a start bar for you
[03:37] <_zach_> wait I'm probably wrong
[03:37] <hal9k2010> so i can use  kde in xubuntu ?
[03:37] <_zach_> i think xubuntu uses the gnome desktop manager...
[03:37] <hal9k2010> xfce
[03:37] <_zach_> i'm confusing myself
[03:37] <_zach_> long story short
[03:37] <_zach_> you can use gnome and kde and xfce all on the same box
[03:38] <_zach_> you just have to install them
[03:38] <hal9k2010> cool  i want to lear that  lol
[03:38] <_zach_> "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" for kde I think
[03:38] <_zach_> but that's like... a 250 meg install
[03:39] <hal9k2010> so it will slow my old laptop ?
[03:39] <hal9k2010> i am using a dell lattitude 750 mhz  512megs ram  and is fery fast here with xubuntu
[03:40] <_zach_> the bigger window managers can be kinda bloated
[03:40] <_zach_> i'm using xubuntu on a dual core 1.7 ghz
[03:40] <hal9k2010> nice
[03:40] <_zach_> and I've known people to use xfce on much faster rigs merely because it's more lightweight
[03:41] <_zach_> and i'd think xubuntu would aim towards a more lightweight program install as well... i think my regular ubuntu install came with more packages installed by default
[03:41] <_zach_> average xubuntu user probably wants lighter weight
[03:41] <_zach_> etc. etc.
[03:41] <hal9k2010> yes i notice that
[03:42] <hal9k2010> the ubuntu cd i was using had everything
[03:43] <hal9k2010> so all this thing about debian ... fedora...mandriva etc etc  are they all the same ?
[03:44] <_zach_> ehhhhhh
[03:44] <_zach_> new to linux entirely I presume then eh?
[03:45] <_zach_> long story short... yes... but kinda
[03:45] <_zach_> they all run the linux kernel
[03:45] <_zach_> maintained by linus torvalds
[03:45] <hal9k2010> yep i am a old mac user (pre mac/ intel )
[03:45] <_zach_> you're a distant cousin then :-P
[03:45] <_zach_> macos is based off bsd I think
[03:46] <_zach_> which split from the whole unix type thing a long time ago
[03:46] <hal9k2010> the mac os x  yes
[03:46] <_zach_> linux unix bsd
[03:46] <_zach_> it's a lot of info
[03:46] <_zach_> i'd recommend trolling wikipedia
[03:46] <_zach_> but each distro is different
[03:46] <_zach_> they all have a linux kernel but the programs they run are different
[03:47] <hal9k2010> but the basic stuff is the same no matter what flavor... right ?
[03:47] <_zach_> pretty much
[03:48] <zenrox> actualy the programs ar bacikly the same but have differnt versions or moded to work with out that flavor of linux was modded
[03:48] <_zach_> you'd be able to run the same things on all
[03:48] <_zach_> they just come with their own prepackaged/preconfigured
[03:48] <_zach_> ubuntu is nice because it uses apt
[03:48] <_zach_> which was developed for debian
[03:48] <hal9k2010> apt ?
[03:48] <_zach_> you just apt-get install and bam it's there
[03:48] <_zach_> you can install programs real easy
[03:48] <zenrox> + all its dependices
[03:48] <_zach_> they're pre-built
[03:49] <_zach_> dependencies are taken care of
[03:49] <_zach_> you just say "oh I'd like to install foo and... bar"
[03:49] <_zach_> "sudo apt-get install foo bar"
[03:49] <_zach_> you now have foo and bar and they should just work
[03:49] <_zach_> otherwise you'd have to compile source for it and its dependencies... etc. etc.
[03:50] <hal9k2010> ok for example...  i i am having some problems with xf media, it plays mpegs but no sound
[03:50] <zenrox> mediubuntu.org??
[03:50] <hal9k2010> and cant play windows media files
[03:50] <zenrox> and get w32codecs and libdvdcss
[03:51] <_zach_> i've always been a fan of vlc
[03:51] <zenrox> me too
[03:51] <hal9k2010> so i can use vlc here ?
[03:51] <_zach_> i use it for most video viewing
[03:51] <zenrox> yes you can
[03:51] <_zach_> it's not working on my computer right now
[03:52] <_zach_> but it's a driver issue
[03:52] <zenrox> sudo apt-get install wxvlc
[03:52] <_zach_> ati is just SOOOOO MUCH FUN
[03:52] <zenrox> love my nvidia fx series
[03:52] <_zach_> *grumble*
[03:52] <zenrox> hehehe
[03:52] <hal9k2010> so if i copy and past that and go to terminal it will get it for me and do the install ?
[03:52] <zenrox> yes
[03:53] <hal9k2010> let me try brb
[03:53] <zenrox> if you have the universe reposotary enabled in /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:53] <_zach_> my install of xubuntu did out of the box
[03:53] <zenrox> mine didnt
[03:54] <zenrox> but then agine i am still running feisty
[03:54] <_zach_> maybe it's because I installed over a prior install of ubuntu?
[03:54] <_zach_> idk
[03:54] <_zach_> i'm running gusty
[03:54] <_zach_> for better or for worse
[03:54] <zenrox> gutsy dont like my dvd burrnner
[03:55] <_zach_> gusty don't like me
[03:55] <daurnimator> I don't like you
[03:55] <daurnimator> :P
[03:56]  * _zach_ cries
[04:02] <hal9k2010> so if i use vlc it will fix the no sound in mpegs and will play wmf ?
[04:03] <_zach_> assuming your sound works otherwise... and it was codec related before.... yes
[04:03] <hal9k2010> ok downloading pkges
[04:04] <gerro> hey guys is this still relevant to 7.10? http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/10/30/1742258
[04:04] <_zach_> is that the hdparm thing?
[04:04] <_zach_> hard drive clicking?
[04:05] <_zach_> the same guy who wrote that article wrote a followup
[04:05] <_zach_> i guess one person in the comments on digg was an ubuntu developer
[04:05] <_zach_> turns out they default to not managing with laptop-mode-tools
[04:06] <_zach_> so it's determined by your bios/acpi
[04:06] <_zach_> basically... hardware defaults
[04:06] <_zach_> i still have to manually type "sudo hdparm -B 255 /dev/sda" on every boot... I thought reconfiguring laptop-mode-tools would work but i still get clicks
[04:07] <hal9k2010> brb
[04:08] <gerro> _zach_: well as I read further I highly doubt that affects me at all especially since I do that noatime thing in fstab
[04:08] <gerro> and always keep my laptop plugged in
[04:09] <kwhk> ***
[04:09] <gerro> kwhk: %%%
[04:11] <_zach_> ???
[04:11] <gerro> _zach_: You have to pull the knob out to get it to start the other cycles. It won't start the Spin_Cycle until you close the lid, though. (lol)
[04:11] <_zach_> oooooooooh
[04:11] <_zach_> of course
[04:11] <kwhk> sorry, fingers out of control :P
[04:12] <_zach_> I just need to figure out how to configure Gentle_Cycle
[04:15] <Genelyk> Hello
[04:18] <gerro> Genelyk: wassup :D
[04:19] <Genelyk> Ola
[04:19] <Genelyk> español ?'
[04:19] <gerro> si, muy mal habla espanol
[04:20] <Genelyk> no importa yo tampoco  hablo bien el ingles
[04:20] <_zach_> one of these days i should learn spanish
[04:21] <Genelyk> uhmmm
[04:24] <xubfanboy> back
[04:24] <xubfanboy> this gerro sort of had network trouble (crappy rt wireless)
[04:25] <xubfanboy> !spanish
[04:25] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[05:48] <ScreaminIke> ... if i deleted my workspace switcher... how do i put it back on the panel?
[05:48] <mmschnei> Hello, I just installed xubuntu on a laptop and now I would like to try and make use of its ACPI support. I don't see a shutdown/suspend/hibernate button anywhere, the only one I can see is "quit" which just logs me otu.
[05:48] <mmschnei> ScreaminIke: right click on the panel, select add new item, and then its called "pager" I think
[05:48] <mmschnei> yeah, thats the one, pager
[05:49] <ScreaminIke> thx a ton. i guess i just can't read....
[05:49] <mmschnei> np
[06:56] <_zach_> okay... so I put acpi=force in grub and it rebooted successfully
[06:56] <_zach_> then being the idiot I am... I decided to hit the bios and tinker
[06:57] <_zach_> i found some setting involving power management for the hard drive decided I should turn it off
[06:57] <_zach_> now it won't shut down proper
[06:57] <_zach_> display hangs after saying "nework manager blah blah"
[06:57] <_zach_> then i hear the hard drive disengage
[06:57] <_zach_> never powers off
[06:58] <_zach_> tried to turn the hard drive thing on... still no dice
[07:19] <moodog> Morning all.
[07:21] <thor_> where are the config files for mousepad stored? The recent files list is not being updated and I need to check the file permissions
[07:40] <[chr0n0s]> any aplication/applet that wil give me multiple clocks(dif timezones) in xfce ?
[13:33] <Pres-Gas> Good morrow, all.
[15:00] <shadebug> would anybody here be willing to help me figure out why my wireless card isn't working? I've tried the howtos and faqs and have come up somewhat short
[15:01] <shadebug> as it is I have an rt61 pci card which I can see in iwconfig and ipconfig and which seems to have found my access point, but I can't get any way for it to actually network with that access point
[15:02] <shadebug> a somewhat related issue is that I can't figure out how to disable my wired network without just unplugging it
[15:07] <Pres-Gas> shadebug, are you working with your nics via network manager?
[15:08] <Pres-Gas> Oh, and what version of (X)ubuntu are you running?
[15:09] <shadebug> I'm working through whatever i get when I go applications -> system -> network
[15:09] <shadebug> and 7.10
[15:10] <shadebug> from oct 27 says the iso
[15:10] <Pres-Gas> ahhh, you should be seeing an icon near the clock that may look like two monitors
[15:10] <Pres-Gas> Do you see that, shadebug?
[15:10] <shadebug> nm-applet?
[15:10] <Pres-Gas> indeed, yes
[15:11] <shadebug> I have two of those for some reason...
[15:11] <shadebug> I'm sure I didn't before
[15:11] <shadebug> weird
[15:11] <Pres-Gas> Hmmm...
[15:11] <shadebug> either way, yes
[15:11] <Pres-Gas> indeed
[15:11] <shadebug> the menu from it gives me two tickboxes and an about
[15:11] <Pres-Gas> Does each of them say different things when you hover the mouse over them?
[15:11] <Pres-Gas> hover not click
[15:12] <shadebug> nah, both say wired network
[15:12] <shadebug> but the one of the tickboxes in both is enable wireless
[15:12] <Pres-Gas> And I assume you are plugged in now?
[15:12] <shadebug> the other is enable network
[15:12] <Pres-Gas> That is correct
[15:12] <shadebug> I am, but I'm doing this from a different computer, so i can unplug
[15:13] <shadebug> when I disable network on one the other one does too, so i assume they're just the same thing
[15:13] <Pres-Gas> How about restart the machine and see if your nm-applets reduce to 1 instance
[15:13] <shadebug> lazy :D
[15:13] <Pres-Gas> Tell me when you are back up.
[15:13] <shadebug> gissa sec then
[15:13] <Pres-Gas> I am not asking
[15:13] <Pres-Gas> ;)
[15:13] <shadebug> I'll unplug to see if automagic decides to work too
[15:14] <Pres-Gas> Well, it may not since you have two instances...that is why I suggest the restart.
[15:14] <shadebug> the wired network works beautifully
[15:15] <Pres-Gas> As it should, the wireless can be tricky at times
[15:16] <shadebug> yeah, especially since I have no antenna on the card, though the router is a foot away, so that shouldn't be a problem
[15:17] <shadebug> ok, back up
[15:17] <shadebug> pidgin is failing to connect
[15:17] <shadebug> I have two instances of nm-applet
[15:17] <shadebug> both disconnected
[15:17] <shadebug> which makes sense since i unplugged it
[15:18] <shadebug> pinged the router, network is unreachable
[15:20] <Pres-Gas> Okay, now right click on one of them and see if wireless is checked
[15:21] <shadebug> yep, wireless and networking are checked, connection information is greyed out
[15:21] <Pres-Gas> If it is checked, left click on it and see if you have a listing of wireless networks
[15:22] <shadebug> just unchecks it
[15:22] <shadebug> though the two nm-applets appear to uncheck wireless independently of each other
[15:22] <Pres-Gas> hmmm...I think we need to get that solved first
[15:23] <shadebug> wait!
[15:23] <shadebug> you meant left click on the icon
[15:23] <Pres-Gas> yeah
[15:23] <Pres-Gas> :)
[15:23] <shadebug> it is showing my AP!
[15:23]  * shadebug clicks
[15:23] <Pres-Gas> okay...click on it
[15:23] <shadebug> I have 2 nm-applets racing to connect it
[15:23] <Pres-Gas> lol
[15:24] <shadebug> they are swirling blue stuff
[15:24] <Pres-Gas> that is good so far
[15:24] <shadebug> is there not a console for this? fretting is much easier with lots of unintelligible text flying across the screen
[15:24] <shadebug> damnit
[15:24] <shadebug> disconnected icon again
[15:25] <shadebug> and now it no longer shows my AP
[15:25] <Pres-Gas> Okay, lets first get rid of the duped nm-applet
[15:25] <shadebug> though connection information is no longer greyed out
[15:26] <shadebug> even if all its IPs show <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:26] <shadebug> ok, let's do that
[15:26] <shadebug> ps aux
[15:26] <shadebug> whoops
[15:26] <shadebug> wrong keyboard
[15:26] <Pres-Gas> go to System->Preferences->Sessons
[15:27] <Pres-Gas> Look for the tab that says "Startup Programs"
[15:28] <shadebug> would applications -> settings -> sessions and startup settings work too?
[15:29] <shadebug> I'm assuming not because that has bugger all options in it
[15:30] <Pres-Gas> Umm...I think that is it
[15:30] <Pres-Gas> lol
[15:30] <Pres-Gas> hmmm
[15:30]  * Pres-Gas is on ubuntu today not xubuntu
[15:30] <shadebug> ahh
[15:30] <shadebug> could it be in the xfce settings manager?
[15:31] <shadebug> well that gives me the same as before, arse
[15:32] <shadebug> sessions and startup here has a general tab and an advanced tab. general has display chooser on login, autosave session, prompt on logout, hibernate button and suspend button. Advanced has Launch gnome services, launch kde services and manage remote applications
[15:33] <Pres-Gas> OKay then, here is what we do.
[15:33] <Pres-Gas> ps ax|grep nm-applet
[15:33] <Pres-Gas> kill one of the two processes you see.
[15:34] <Pres-Gas> Restart the machine and make sure to check the box that says to save current session.
[15:34] <shadebug> the one that just says --sm-disable or the one with a whole load of options?
[15:34] <Pres-Gas> ooooooh
[15:34] <Pres-Gas> rattle off all the options
[15:35] <shadebug> --sm-config-prefix /nm-applet-mp9pTRG/ --sm cli... I need horizontal scroll on this terminal
[15:37]  * shadebug greps it instead of just ps auxing
[15:37] <shadebug> ok, --sm-client-id [insert whole load of numbers here] --screen 0
[15:38] <zombie_monkey> I want to be able to use utf-8 in Terminal, and I installed luit; but it seem to me cleaner solution would be to change my locale to an utf-8 one, if that would do the job
[15:38] <zombie_monkey> would that work? and if yes how?
[15:38] <Pres-Gas> shadebug, I would kill that one.  I have always had just the --sm-disable one
[15:38] <shadebug> Pres-Gas: I can live with that
[15:39] <Pres-Gas> shadebug, make sure to save the session when restarting.  then lessee where we are at from there.
[15:39] <shadebug> session saved
[15:40] <shadebug> I'm going for a reboot, cos they're fun
[15:40] <Pres-Gas> indeed
[15:41] <shadebug> people must think I'm so hardcore with two keyboards on my lap
[15:41] <shadebug> bwahahahaha
[15:41] <zombie_monkey> shadebug, you're from #xkcd?
[15:41]  * shadebug looks at the 3 instances of nm-applet in his dock
[15:42] <shadebug> shadebug: yep, there aren't many other shadebugs around
[15:42] <Pres-Gas> Ummm...that ain't right
[15:42] <shadebug> the same two as before and one with no options
[15:43] <shadebug> zombie_monkey: i would help you with your terminal problem but my solution would be to use xterm and just enable utf-8, but i have a feeling that's not the ubuntu way
[15:45] <TheSheep> zombie_monkey: you should have utf8 by default, unless you changed your locale
[15:46] <zombie_monkey> I chose "no localisation" during installation
[15:47] <shadebug> what if I just killall nm-applet and see what happens when i restart that session...
[15:47]  * shadebug does that
[15:47] <zombie_monkey> I didn't picka localization ebcause I couldn't find out what it's for
[15:47] <Pres-Gas> Keep me postal on that, shadebug
[15:47] <zombie_monkey> but apparently that means no utf-8 natively?
[15:47] <shadebug> righty-ho
[15:48] <zombie_monkey> i'm confused :)
[15:48] <TheSheep> zombie_monkey: what do you get when you type 'echo $LANG' in terminal?
[15:50] <shadebug> I have 3 again, though now two of them have many options and one just has --sem-disable
[15:50] <zombie_monkey> TheSheep: C
[15:52]  * shadebug considers uninstalling nm-applet
[15:52] <TheSheep> zombie_monkey: ok, on the login screen, click on 'language' and select US English or something
[15:52] <zombie_monkey> would that change anything important or cause
[15:53] <zombie_monkey> problems for vim for example?
[15:53] <TheSheep> zombie_monkey: should be no problems for programs that are well written
[15:54] <TheSheep> zombie_monkey: vim supports utf8 just fine
[15:54] <zombie_monkey> ok, i'll try
[15:56] <zombie_monkey> I only get "Last Language" and "System default" as options, I suppose I need to install somethign from System -> Language support
[15:59] <zombie_monkey> wow, that's a lot of useless stuff that was downloaded. and wtf, i don't even have openoffice installed...
[15:59] <zombie_monkey> oh, it downloaded openoffice
[15:59] <zombie_monkey> and spelling dictionaries for english
[16:01] <zombie_monkey> oh, it's generating locales now. so that should work, but that's a lot of useless utff that was installed. there really should be a language-independent utf-8 enable locale...
[16:02] <shadebug> I'm popping out for a bit, but feel free to let me know if anybody has any ideas as to my wifi/nm-applet issues
[16:06] <zombie_monkey> well the good news is utf-8 works, the bad news is my toolbar is completely messed up and so are other settings
[16:06] <zombie_monkey> but nothing really bad
[16:10] <zombie_monkey> hm, well the alt combinations in finch don't work
[16:10] <zombie_monkey> oh, they work, it just crashed
[16:11] <TheSheep> %)
[16:12] <TheSheep> zombie_monkey: ubuntu uses utf8 by default, so everything is tested...
[16:14] <zombie_monkey> yes, it seems the only problem is all program launchers got deleted
[16:30] <zombie_monkey> i logged in with the old locale and some panel items are still here and otehrs are missing. so I'd advise you to be more careful about changing locales
[16:30] <zombie_monkey> I still can't figure out how to add a quit button and I only use ctrl-alt-backspace
[16:31] <TheSheep> zombie_monkey: 'system action buttons' the plugin is called
[16:31] <zombie_monkey> and firefox's quick serach thing doesn't work
[16:31] <TheSheep> zombie_monkey: you also have it in the menu
[16:31] <zombie_monkey> no, it closes the panel
[16:32] <zombie_monkey> all panels actually
[16:32] <zombie_monkey> but nothing else
[16:32] <TheSheep> zombie_monkey: only if it wasn't started with xfce4-session
[16:32] <TheSheep> zombie_monkey: is this a xubuntu install at all?
[16:32] <zombie_monkey> of course it is
[16:33] <zombie_monkey> what else ?
[16:33] <TheSheep> and you didn't do strange things with the X session files?
[16:33] <zombie_monkey> I've done nothing of teh sort
[16:33] <TheSheep> zombie_monkey: this is gutsy?
[16:33] <zombie_monkey> yes
[16:34]  * TheSheep scratches his head
[16:35] <zombie_monkey> i might just reinstall
[16:35] <zombie_monkey> i guess...
[16:38] <TheSheep> that'd be 'the windows way'
[16:38] <TheSheep> zombie_monkey: what if you created a new user?
[16:38] <zombie_monkey> indeed, but it's obviously a bug so...
[16:38] <TheSheep> zombie_monkey: does it have all those problems too?
[16:39] <TheSheep> zombie_monkey: you can also change the global default locale in the system->language settings menu
[16:39] <TheSheep> language support
[16:41] <zombie_monkey> ok, i"ll try witha new user
[16:41] <zombie_monkey> and I changed the gloabl default in system -> langauage support, let's see what happens. butI don't suppose this will bring bakc lost menu items...
[16:42] <zombie_monkey> em, panle items
[16:44] <zombie_monkey> well firefox's quick search now works, let's see what happens witha new user
[16:47] <zombie_monkey> well the quit button still sin't working with a new user
[16:49] <zombie_monkey> I think it's not launching teh same program?
[16:49] <TheSheep> zombie_monkey: what about the 'quit' in menu?
[16:49] <zombie_monkey> what command should it execute, the quit button
[16:50] <zombie_monkey> same
[16:50] <TheSheep> zombie_monkey: xfce4-panel -q
[16:50] <zombie_monkey> actually no, now the one in the menu does nothing
[16:52] <zombie_monkey> well I added a launcher for "xfce-panel -q" and I get "no such file ro directory, what path should I add?
[16:52] <zombie_monkey> also "bash: xfce-panel: command not found"
[16:54] <zombie_monkey> and wlan0 is missing from ifconfig and lsmod, but ndiswrapper is still running...
[16:54] <TheSheep> zombie_monkey: xfce4-panel
[16:54] <zombie_monkey> oh ok
[16:54] <TheSheep> zombie_monkey: note the 4
[16:55] <zombie_monkey> well that's what it does, it closes the panels, and does nothing else
[16:55] <zombie_monkey> with a 4
[16:55] <TheSheep> zombie_monkey: looks like you don't have the session running for some reason, but I can't guess why
[16:55] <TheSheep> zombie_monkey: you logged in normally, using gdm, right?
[16:56] <zombie_monkey> yes
[16:56] <zombie_monkey> well I don't knwo waht it's called
[16:56] <zombie_monkey> the normal login screen
[16:56] <TheSheep> yes, it's gdm
[16:57] <TheSheep> I'm baffled
[17:01] <zombie_monkey> well I vaguely recall this happening before a year ago, maybe, to someone else's computer, but the quit button worked fine when re-added
[17:02] <TheSheep> zombie_monkey: you have free space on your disk?
[17:03] <zombie_monkey> ooh, no! not on / . that's strange
[17:03] <zombie_monkey> I should have a lot
[17:04] <zombie_monkey> I have 622mb free and 0 available, according to system monitor
[17:05] <zombie_monkey> I'm so sorry
[17:06] <zombie_monkey> I copied a huge .tar archive a few days ago and forgot about it
[17:06] <zombie_monkey> ... aand I'm not sure what to do now
[17:07] <zombie_monkey> I mean after I feed space
[17:07] <TheSheep> zombie_monkey: the missing launchers are also because of that, probably
[17:11] <zombie_monkey> maybe I should reinstall the xfce packages?
[17:14] <zombie_monkey> well I just logged in again and now the quit button works
[17:14] <zombie_monkey> so that was the problem
[17:14] <zombie_monkey> I'm so sorry for wasting your time
[17:15] <zombie_monkey> I should have paid attention to how much sapce I have
[17:17] <zombie_monkey> that's a problem with linux working too well, even when you've done somethigns tupid it still works fine :)
[17:24] <zombie_monkey> and now I feel like an idiot and I'll avoid asking for help so much in the future
[17:28] <TheSheep> argh
[17:28] <TheSheep> there is nothing wrong with asking for help
[17:32] <shadebug> what package is nm-applet part of so I can reinstall it?
[17:34] <TheSheep> !info nm-applet
[17:34] <ubotu> Package nm-applet does not exist in gutsy
[17:34] <TheSheep> :/
[17:34] <shadebug> yeah, I figured that much out
[17:35] <shadebug> and it has no man page
[17:35] <TheSheep> !info network-manager-gnome
[17:35] <ubotu> network-manager-gnome: network management framework (GNOME frontend). In component main, is optional. Version 0.6.5-0ubuntu10 (gutsy), package size 134 kB, installed size 1748 kB
[17:37] <shadebug> is that a guess?
[17:38] <TheSheep> shadebug: no
[17:38] <shadebug> ok then
[17:49] <zoredache> shadebug: if you are curious what package a file belongs do, you can use dpkg -L {filename}
[17:49] <shadebug> I'll try and keep that in mind
[17:54] <ddddd> how to  remove al packages and only keep the linux-image-generic(and dependent packages) + ubuntu minimal(and dependent packages) metapackages ?
[18:17] <sparr_w> ddddd: reinstall?
[18:17] <ddddd> that is noption
[18:17] <ddddd> that is not an option
[18:18] <ddddd> there should be a way to achieve that'
[18:18] <ddddd> without reinstalling
[18:19] <ddddd> but by hand removing package by package is a long way
[18:19] <Pres-Gas> ddddd, what is the reason you are wanting to do this, and why is it not an option.
[18:20] <ddddd> because i have no cd and a broken system
[18:21] <ddddd> and it is fun to find difficult things
[18:21] <Death-FC> I have downloaded vnc-4_1_2-x86_linux and am trying to install it on my new Xubuntu OS... how do I do this?  I unzipped the files and am trying to execute the vncserver or vncinstall and it is doing nothing... anyone got any help for me?
[18:22] <Pres-Gas> how broken is it, ddddd?
[18:22] <TheSheep> Death-FC: why don't you install it from the repositories?
[18:23] <TheSheep> ddddd: you can select all packages for removal in synaptic, and then unselect the ones you want left
[18:23] <TheSheep> ddddd: it should also unselect all the dependecies
[18:24] <ddddd> i cant install xubuntu desktop meta package and i cant install xfwm 4 and i also have loads of development packages installed and i want them removed
[18:25] <TheSheep> ddddd: why you can't do it?
[18:26] <ddddd> because apt says that they are not going to be installed because they cant im on gutsy/hardy it is for fun
[18:27] <TheSheep> ddddd: please be more specific, maybe pastebin the exact message
[18:27] <ddddd> it is in dutch ...
[18:27] <TheSheep> ddddd: then type 'export LANG=en_US.utf8' in the terminal before you do it
[18:28] <TheSheep> !pastebin | ddddd
[18:28] <ubotu> ddddd: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[18:28] <ddddd> ok moment
[18:31] <ddddd> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/45385/
[18:31] <TheSheep> ddddd: close synaptics
[18:32] <TheSheep> ddddd: and any other app that might use the packages database
[18:32] <ddddd> i did
[18:32] <TheSheep> ah, ok
[18:32] <TheSheep> ddddd: what happens when you try to install xfwm4 ?
[18:32] <ddddd> closed before sudo apt-get install xubuntu desktop
[18:33] <ddddd> ill try
[18:34] <ddddd> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/45386/
[18:35] <TheSheep> ddddd: well, repeat
[18:35] <TheSheep> ddddd: until you get some different message
[18:36] <ddddd> repeat ? now try to install libgtk ?
[18:36] <TheSheep> yeah
[18:36] <ddddd> ok
[18:36] <TheSheep> you'll get to the offending package this way
[18:36] <ddddd> ok
[18:37] <methods> xuubntu doesn't come with adept_manager ?
[18:37] <TheSheep> methods: adept is a kde program
[18:38] <methods> oh is it ?
[18:38] <methods> but its so nice...
[18:38] <methods> so what do you guys use synaptic ?
[18:39] <evil_tech> synaptic and apt-get from the command line
[18:39] <ddddd> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/45389/
[18:39] <methods> is synaptic a debian thing or a xubuntu thing ?
[18:41] <ddddd> well no more to do on that
[18:44] <ddddd> my earlier idea was to remove all packages and keep ubuntu-minimal and then try to install xubuntu-desktop again but i dont no how to do that with 1 command
[18:47] <methods> whats ubuntu-minimal ?
[18:48] <ddddd> it is a meta package
[18:48] <zoredache> methods: it s a meta-package that requires the bare minimum for a cli system...
[18:48] <methods> um
[18:48] <zoredache> do an apt-cache show ubuntu-minimal to see the specific packages
[18:48] <methods> but if i install what happens ?
[18:48] <methods> does it remove all others ?
[18:49] <methods> if i cant get to a shell how would i install it lol
[18:49] <zoredache> if you have a ubuntu system you have ubuntu-minimal
[18:49] <zoredache> every ubuntu based system includes all those packages
[18:50] <ddddd> if you have xubuntu installed you have the following mea packages installed linux-image-generic ubuntu-minimal ubuntu-standard and xubuntu-dektop
[18:55] <Vega> hello! have a problem with my serial mouse on xubuntu. I tried some configurations in xorg.conf but it did not work. What can i do ?
[18:58] <zoredache> Does anyone have some hints about debugging a preseed file for automating an installation?
[18:59] <Vega> kimse yok mu amk
[19:05] <Seeeb> Hi! I tried to install my drivers this way http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Gutsy_Installation_Guide - but it didd't work out, since "fglrxinfo" still replies "mesa" (i also tried to deinstall "xserver-xorg-video-all"). Now i want to undo/remove the stuff that I did. Is there a way to do it without doing "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" ? Last time i did that the small guy in my lappy asked me many things that I couldn't a
[19:17] <ja2> why is source-o-matic page so small?
[19:20] <ja2> i love how quiet it is here
[19:20] <ja2> gives me a headace in the other rooms
[19:58] <format_c> Hi I've some trouble to activate my account on www.ubuntu.com
[19:58] <format_c> I just wanted to complete a post.
[19:59] <format_c> But Activation Email either didn't arraive or has been destroyed by my MUA.
[19:59] <format_c> What can I do to get a second Activation mail
[19:59] <format_c> ?
[20:00] <format_c> Some contact such as a moderator or something like that
[20:00] <format_c> cant find anything
[20:07] <format_c> and no one here...
[20:08] <TheSheep> format_c: try asking on #ubuntu-forums maybe
[20:08] <shadebug> have you tried asking in #ubuntu
[20:09] <shadebug> yeah, thaty too
[20:09] <format_c> Thanks I'll try this
[20:12] <shadebug> ok, following a reinstall of network tools, i still get three instances of nm-applet at a time
[20:13] <shadebug> I want to imagine that uninstalling network manager, rebooting and thenreinstalling would somehow help, but I also get the feeling that it would mean I have no networking and wouldn't be able to re-install
[20:13] <shadebug> as always, i need the internet to get the internet working
[20:14] <TheSheep> shadebug: delete the session cache
[20:14] <TheSheep> shadebug: in .cache/sessions/
[20:14] <shadebug> ahh
[20:14] <shadebug> now that's advice I can take to the bank
[20:15] <shadebug> so... delete session cache and then reboot without saving session?
[20:15] <TheSheep> shadebug: no, just logout
[20:15] <TheSheep> shadebug: without saving the session
[20:15] <shadebug> ok
[20:16] <shadebug> do I want to delete the whole dir or just the ones that say session?
[20:16] <TheSheep> shadebug: delete all files in that directory
[20:16] <TheSheep> shadebug: in .cache/sessions/
[20:17]  * shadebug tries it
[20:17] <shadebug> w007!
[20:17] <shadebug> one instance
[20:27] <shadebug> ok
[20:27] <shadebug> so now i'm back where I started
[20:27] <shadebug> my system recognises that I have a wireless
[20:27] <shadebug> card
[20:28] <shadebug> that wireless card can find myrouter, which is completely unsecured at the moment I believe
[20:28] <shadebug> what it won't do is that intermediate stage of connecting them and causing internets to happen
[20:28] <shadebug> anybody got any ideas?
[20:35] <gerro> hey anyone know what // means in a file path like /usr/bin//something.sh for example
[20:38] <gerro> hmm brb have to test something
[21:11] <shadebug> holy poop on a stick... my router has the errant wireless card on its dhcp  list
[21:12] <shadebug> that means it must've managed to acquire an IP at some point
[21:15] <TheSheep> !language | shadebug
[21:15] <ubotu> shadebug: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[21:15] <shadebug> poop is language?
[21:15] <shadebug> duly noted
[21:15] <TheSheep> shadebug: it's also about disturbin imagery
[21:16] <nanonyme> especially if combined with religion? ;)
[21:16] <shadebug> ahh, of course
[21:16] <shadebug> still... I'm thinking I need some sort of dhcp attempt log to see what's going on...
[21:17] <TheSheep> shadebug: you could use wireshark to see what's going on in your network
[21:17] <TheSheep> shadebug: it will show you the broadcasts and dhcp requests
[21:21] <shadebug> interesting
[21:25] <zombie_monkey> yes, wireshark's the thing for you
[22:18] <theunixgeek> Hello. I'm following the osdev Bare Bones tutorial for writing a simple kernel. http://www.osdev.org/wiki/Bare_bones I'm a complete noob at this, so please don't assume I know all the terminology you guys do. I'd like to be able to boot the kernel shown in the tutorial in either Bochs or QEMU. How would I go about this?
[22:20] <theunixgeek> Hello. I'm following the osdev Bare Bones tutorial for writing a simple kernel. http://www.osdev.org/wiki/Bare_bones I'm a complete noob at this, so please don't assume I know all the terminology you guys do. I'd like to be able to boot the kernel shown in the tutorial in either Bochs or QEMU. How would I go about this?
[23:06] <ddddd> so i have commandlinesystem now ... thanks to sudo tasksel remove xubuntu-desktop
[23:06] <ddddd> and reported a bug for the problem
[23:09] <ddddd> the next question is if i have a command line system and i install firefox what do need more to be able to use it?
[23:19] <evil_tech> X
[23:22] <ddddd> xserver-xorg ?
[23:56] <computer_newb> help me get my os to boot again
[23:57] <computer_newb> i get error when it loads
[23:57] <TheSheep> computer_newb: what kind of error and what did you do?


[00:56] <cjohnston> i hate theming stuff
[13:14] <cjohnston> daker: ping
[15:30] <daker> cjohnston, pong
[15:31] <cjohnston> daker: got any plans today? maybe able to help me out with moving summit to the new guidelines? I got CSS from Canonical.. then after that's done, LTP should be easy
[15:31] <daker> sure
[15:31] <daker> tonight ツ
[15:32] <cjohnston> ok..
[15:32] <cjohnston> ping me when your available
[15:46] <daker> sure ツ
[19:09] <Amoz> cjohnston: as I said, I'm not experienced with Django, but I
[19:09] <Amoz> I'd love to learn
[19:09] <cjohnston> Amoz: thats fine..
[19:10] <cjohnston> I started learning django by fixing a copyright date
[19:10] <cjohnston> :-)
[19:10] <Amoz> lol
[19:10] <cjohnston> are you good with CSS?
[19:10] <cjohnston> and can read code
[19:10] <Amoz> I'd say I'm quite knowledgable
[19:10] <Amoz> depends what kind of code
[19:10] <Amoz> ASM, no
[19:10] <Amoz> Java, C, PHP, Python etc. yes
[19:11] <cjohnston> We need to update our CSS to fit the new guidelines..
[19:11] <Amoz> yeah I helped holbach with the packaging guide
[19:11] <cjohnston> I was sent a couple CSS files as well as a template, and I'm trying to basically merge them together
[19:11] <Amoz> which website are you reffering to?
[19:12] <cjohnston> I'm currently working on summit.ubuntu.com
[19:12] <cjohnston> the theme changes will then be pushed to loco.ubuntu.com
[19:13] <Amoz> aha
[19:13] <Amoz> so basically the summit.u.c should have the new design
[19:13] <cjohnston> and im horrible at css
[19:13] <cjohnston> yes
[19:13] <cjohnston> I've gotten it part of the way there
[19:14] <Amoz> got a branch somewhere?
[19:14] <cjohnston> and I'm taking a little break to do some stuff at the house
[19:14] <cjohnston> i can
[19:14] <cjohnston> few sec
[19:14] <cjohnston> s
[19:15] <cjohnston> the problem is that all of our django sites use the same theme... so the CSS they provided me doesn't use the same names and such as ours do... so I can't just replace
[19:15] <Amoz> the best thing imho
[19:15] <Amoz> would be to port the actual django themes
[19:15] <Amoz> not the css
[19:15] <Amoz> because then we could hopefully use the same css, more or les
[19:15] <cjohnston> We would be talking atleast 3 sites
[19:16] <Amoz> which ones? :)
[19:16] <cjohnston> and then the next time that the theme guidelines change, if they use different names we would be doing it again
[19:16] <cjohnston> those two
[19:17] <cjohnston> Jono's accomplishments
[19:17] <cjohnston> and I dont know what else
[19:18] <Amoz> still, I'd prefer to port the html-themes rather than the css I guess
[19:18] <Amoz> but I'm not sure
[19:18] <cjohnston> I think I'm between 1/3 and 1/2 the way done with porting the css
[19:18] <Amoz> oh, that's too bad :(
[19:19] <cjohnston> lol
[19:19] <Amoz> I don't want to waste your work though
[19:19] <Amoz> but you'd still need to port the css for the other websites right?
[19:19] <cjohnston> no.. they would just need to check out the new theme and be (almost) done
[19:19] <cjohnston> so far I've had to make 2 html changes
[19:20] <Amoz> I must be misunderstanding
[19:20] <cjohnston> all of the django sites use one theme branch
[19:20] <Amoz> show me the source :)
[19:20] <Amoz> ah
[19:20] <Amoz> I see
[19:21] <cjohnston> so if we update the theme branch, all the sites will (hopefully) work
[19:21] <Amoz> wow
[19:21] <Amoz> didn't know everyone used the same theme
[19:21] <Amoz> is that possible?
[19:21] <cjohnston> yup
[19:21] <Amoz> even if they need different pages etc.
[19:21] <cjohnston> the wonder of django
[19:22] <Amoz> I'll have a look then
[19:22] <cjohnston> we have a django theme, a wordpress theme, an html theme, and a drupal theme
[19:22] <Amoz> cool
[19:22] <Amoz> quite a lot of things to do here I suppose
[19:22] <Amoz> django, PHP, css/html etc.
[19:23] <cjohnston> so lp:ubuntu-community-webthemes/light-django-theme is the theme
[19:23] <Amoz> recognize that one
[19:23] <cjohnston> this is what ive done: https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisjohnston/ubuntu-community-webthemes/update-to-new-web-guidelines
[19:24] <Amoz> cool
[19:24] <Amoz> is there a source for the websites somewhere?
[19:24] <cjohnston> Amoz: like I said, I've had to make 2 changes to the lp:summit branch to work with this, but other than that, its all been in the light-django-theme branch
[19:24] <Amoz> or can I try out the themes somehow?
[19:24] <cjohnston> lp:summit
[19:25] <Amoz> ah
[19:25] <Amoz> great
[19:25] <cjohnston> if you want I can help you setup summit so that you can make it all blow up
[19:25] <cjohnston> i mean, take a look
[19:25] <cjohnston> lol
[19:25] <Amoz> huh?
[19:25] <Amoz> it's django, right?
[19:25] <cjohnston> yup
[19:25] <Amoz> isn't there a builtin webserver?
[19:26] <cjohnston> yes.. but you have to get the environment working
[19:26] <Amoz> ah
[19:26] <Amoz> I'll tell you if I need help
[19:26] <cjohnston> basically bzr branch lp:summit
[19:26] <Amoz> I'll just have a look
[19:26] <cjohnston> http://summit.readthedocs.org
[19:26] <cjohnston> and that will point you in the right direction
[19:30] <Amoz> hmm, br
[19:30] <Amoz> brb
[19:37] <cjohnston> Amoz: whats your email and I'll forward you the CSS I was given
[19:38] <Amoz> cjohnston<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:38] <cjohnston> you should have it
[19:39] <Amoz> cjohnston: thanks. So basically I should just install virtualenv etc.
[19:40] <cjohnston> yes
[19:52] <Amoz> oh
[19:52] <Amoz> there was an make target for that
[19:53] <cjohnston> the Make doesn't always play well
[19:53] <cjohnston> and when you do make you have to do it every time, doing the virtualenv you only have to set it up once
[19:54] <cjohnston> Amoz: give me a second and I'll give you a db so you dont have to make data
[19:54] <Amoz> oh
[19:54] <Amoz> thanks
[19:55] <cjohnston> Amoz: http://ubuntuone.com/5Pja6HyyFdOuLCuFCLaGl5
[19:55] <cjohnston> if you need admin access, admin/password
[19:55] <Amoz> ok
[19:56] <Amoz> I copied the local_settings.py
[19:56] <cjohnston> good
[19:56] <Amoz> do I need to pull themes?
[19:56] <cjohnston> yes..
[19:56] <Amoz> hmm
[19:56] <cjohnston> ./manage.py migrate
[19:56] <cjohnston> ./manage.py init-summit
[19:56] <Amoz> this is tedious work
[19:56] <cjohnston> ./manage.py pullapps
[19:56] <Amoz> http://summit.readthedocs.org/en/latest/installing.html#grab-the-source
[19:56] <Amoz> but I only have to follow that one
[19:56] <Amoz> right?
[19:57] <cjohnston> correct
[19:57] <Amoz> good
[19:57] <cjohnston> pullapps will download the themes
[19:57] <Amoz> where to put the db?
[19:58] <Amoz> I shouldn't syncdb ?
[19:58] <cjohnston> put the db in /summit/
[19:58] <cjohnston> you dont need to syncdb, its new enough..
[19:58] <cjohnston> probably wont even need to migrate
[19:58] <Amoz> but it won't hurt if I do any of them?
[19:58] <cjohnston> nope
[20:00] <Amoz> hmm, need to adjust settings?
[20:00] <cjohnston> shouldnt
[20:00] <cjohnston> whats wrong
[20:01] <Amoz> 'Settings' object has no attribute 'THEME_MEDIA'
[20:01] <cjohnston> ahh..
[20:01] <cjohnston> ./manage.py runserver no longer works.
[20:01] <cjohnston> as of yesterday
[20:01] <Amoz> lol
[20:01] <cjohnston> I havent updated the docs
[20:01] <Amoz> you broke it didn't you!
[20:01] <Amoz> aaw you
[20:01] <cjohnston> python manage.py runserver --settings ubuntu_server
[20:01] <cjohnston> python manage.py runserver --settings ubuntu_settings
[20:01] <cjohnston> no
[20:01] <cjohnston> didnt break it
[20:01] <Amoz> j/k
[20:02] <cjohnston> we seperated it into two different sites, so you have to define what site
[20:02] <Amoz> aha
[20:03] <Amoz> so, which one should I run?
[20:03] <cjohnston> ubuntu_settings ^^
[20:03] <cjohnston> ubuntu_server was a typo
[20:03] <Amoz> ah
[20:03] <Amoz> :D
[20:03] <Amoz> lol
[20:03] <Amoz> another error
[20:04] <Amoz> list index out of range
[20:04] <cjohnston> yup..
[20:04] <cjohnston> one sec.. let me get you a newer db
[20:04] <Amoz> great
[20:04] <cjohnston> sorry
[20:04] <cjohnston> didnt put the menu stuff in there yet
[20:05] <cjohnston> http://ubuntuone.com/5Pja6HyyFdOuLCuFCLaGl5
[20:05] <cjohnston> try that
[20:06] <Amoz> hm
[20:06] <Amoz> syncdb is req I suppose
[20:06] <Amoz> Error: no module named south
[20:06] <cjohnston> are you in your virtualenv
[20:07] <Amoz> oh sorry
[20:07] <Amoz> all terminals
[20:07] <Amoz> I can do workon in multiple shells right?
[20:07] <cjohnston> yes
[20:10] <Amoz> uhm, still the same error
[20:10] <cjohnston> Amoz: where are you from
[20:10] <Amoz> after syncdb and migrate
[20:10] <cjohnston> the list error?
[20:10] <Amoz> yeha
[20:10] <Amoz> Sweden
[20:10] <Amoz> why?
[20:11] <cjohnston> curious.. like to know where the people I work with are located
[20:11] <cjohnston> so I can be jealous
[20:11] <Amoz> ahaha
[20:11] <Amoz> nothing to be jealous about
[20:11] <Amoz> you're from the US I suppose?
[20:11] <cjohnston> Florida.. yes
[20:11] <Amoz> aww
[20:11] <cjohnston> I'm jealous of anything that isn't here
[20:11] <Amoz> now I'M ealous
[20:11] <Amoz> jealous*
[20:12] <cjohnston> why
[20:12] <Amoz> it's wonderful there
[20:12] <cjohnston> theres nothing here to be jealous about
[20:12] <Amoz> where in FL?
[20:12] <Amoz> o yes it is
[20:12] <Amoz> beaches <3
[20:12] <Amoz> summer all year
[20:12] <cjohnston> Orlando
[20:12] <Amoz> I've been there
[20:12] <cjohnston> cool
[20:12] <Amoz> it's not as humid as Ft. Lauderdale right?
[20:12] <cjohnston> its all 100% all the time
[20:12] <Amoz> oh
[20:13] <Amoz> it was 14 yrs ago so..
[20:13] <Amoz> can't remember everything
[20:13] <cjohnston> Amoz: try this one: I just varified that it works: http://ubuntuone.com/4T5jdYPnbKKR2b541lnVDM
[20:13] <cjohnston> sorry
[20:13] <Amoz> sorry?
[20:13] <cjohnston> for giving you bad db's
[20:14] <Amoz> hah
[20:14] <cjohnston> that one really should work
[20:14] <cjohnston> or I'm going to bed
[20:14] <cjohnston> lol
[20:14] <Amoz> it's just 3.20PM there ?
[20:14] <cjohnston> uh huh
[20:14] <Amoz> is that "yes" or "no" ?
[20:15] <Amoz> :P
[20:15] <cjohnston> yes
[20:15] <Amoz> I remember FL having geckos in the street
[20:15] <Amoz> that was sooo weird
[20:16] <Amoz> works!
[20:16] <Amoz> thanks!
[20:16] <cjohnston> yippie
[20:18] <cjohnston> did you merge my branch into ubuntu_website?
[20:18] <Amoz> nope, haven't gotten that far yet
[20:18] <cjohnston> ok
[20:19] <cjohnston> and im pusing right now the change to the summit branch
[20:19] <Amoz> great
[20:19] <cjohnston> https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisjohnston/summit/new-web-guidelines-changes
[20:20] <Amoz> so what do you do there in Orlando? if you don't mind me asking :)
[20:21] <cjohnston> I assume you are referring to job?
[20:21] <Amoz> yep
[20:21] <cjohnston> I am a Firefighter paramedic
[20:21] <cjohnston> I work at a dive shop
[20:22] <cjohnston> and I'm getting ready to start a contract gig doing web work
[20:22] <Amoz> paramedics work at dive shops?
[20:22] <Amoz> or that's extra?
[20:22] <cjohnston> not related
[20:22] <cjohnston> extra
[20:22] <Amoz> ah
[20:22] <cjohnston> part time job
[20:23] <Amoz> so you work as a paramedic AND in a dive shop
[20:23] <cjohnston> yes
[20:23] <Amoz> wow
[20:23] <cjohnston> and in 2 weeks the new job
[20:23] <Amoz> web stuff?
[20:23] <cjohnston> django/python stuff
[20:24] <Amoz> ah, you must be quite good then :D
[20:24] <cjohnston> i dunno about all that
[20:24] <cjohnston> I still have trouble regularly
[20:24] <Amoz> with what?
[20:24] <cjohnston> python
[20:24] <Amoz> ah
[20:25] <Amoz> not alligators? =P
[20:25] <cjohnston> our guru took the day off today... but mhall119 is the man when it comes to all of this
[20:25] <cjohnston> alligators are good eatin
[20:25] <Amoz> you tasted ?
[20:25] <cjohnston> of course
[20:25] <Amoz> yeah of course ^^
[20:26] <Amoz> been to Everglades as well, no?
[20:26] <Amoz> that's where I tasted it
[20:26] <cjohnston> not to, no.. but ive been down that way
[20:26] <Amoz> oh ok
[20:27] <Amoz> hm, your guru?
[20:27] <cjohnston> He's the guy I go to for help
[20:27] <Amoz> not an ubuntu guy ?
[20:27] <cjohnston> mhall119 works for Canonical
[20:28] <Amoz> oh, guru = mhall119
[20:28] <Amoz> I thought you were referring to two different ppl
[20:30] <Amoz> so your branch should be merged to summit/summit/ubuntu_website ?
[20:30] <cjohnston> there are two
[20:31] <cjohnston> the ubuntu-community-webthemes one into ubuntu_website
[20:31] <cjohnston> the summit one into summit
[20:32] <Amoz> uh..
[20:32] <cjohnston> ya
[20:33] <Amoz> u-c-webthemes is  light-django-theme ?
[20:34] <cjohnston> its ubuntu-communtiy-webthemes/light-django-theme
[20:34] <cjohnston> https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisjohnston/ubuntu-community-webthemes/update-to-new-web-guidelines   will go into ubuntu_website
[20:36] <Amoz> so bzr merge lp:repo summit/summit/ubuntu_website
[20:36] <Amoz> kind of
[20:37] <Amoz> I'll just try instead of asking you stupid questions =)
[20:37] <cjohnston> nope
[20:37] <cjohnston> cd summit/summit/ubuntu_website
[20:37] <cjohnston> bzr merge lp:~chrisjohnston/ubuntu-community-webthemes/update-to-new-web-guidelines
[20:37] <cjohnston> then
[20:37] <cjohnston> cd ..
[20:38] <cjohnston> bzr merge lp:~chrisjohnston/summit/new-web-guidelines-changes
[20:38] <Amoz> cjohnston: thank you for holding up
[20:39] <cjohnston> :-)
[20:40] <Amoz> ah
[20:40] <Amoz> you didn't do anything else than modifying the base.html?
[20:41] <cjohnston> in the summit branch, no
[20:41] <Amoz> ah, the rest is in light-django-theme
[20:41] <cjohnston> yes
[20:41] <cjohnston> there are some other changes that will need to be done in summit, but not a big deal..
[20:49] <Amoz> cjohnston: so... now I'm ready to code, in the ubuntu_website dir, right?
[20:49] <cjohnston> Amoz: yes
[20:49] <Amoz> great
[20:49] <cjohnston> summit is using website_base.html
[20:50] <cjohnston> and then if you need to change something on the pages just tell me what you need and i can tell you where to find it
[20:50] <cjohnston> an example is we didnt used to use ul and li for the menus but i had to change that
[20:54] <Amoz> aha
[21:10] <Amoz> cjohnston: is there a reference design somewhere?
[21:10] <Amoz> the css you mailed me?
[21:10] <cjohnston> the css
[21:11] <cjohnston> design.ubuntu.com has some stuff
[21:12] <Amoz> hmm, doesn't look the way I pictured it
[21:13] <cjohnston> whats that
[21:13] <Amoz> http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/
[21:13] <Amoz> isnt that the new design?
[21:13] <cjohnston> no
[21:13] <cjohnston> uds.ubuntu.com is
[21:13] <cjohnston> it was just released two days ago
[21:15] <Amoz> great, now I have some refs
[21:15] <cjohnston> Amoz: that html file in the .zip i forwarded as well
[21:19] <Amoz> yeah I looked at it
[21:23] <Amoz> cjohnston: gotta go for tonight, thanks for the help
[21:23] <cjohnston> ok.. you going to be able to look at it over the weekend?
[21:23] <Amoz> hopefully yes
[21:24] <cjohnston> ok..
[21:24] <Amoz> still me thinks it's harder to port css-code than the html part
[21:24] <cjohnston> sounds good.. let me know if you need help
[21:24] <cjohnston> have a good night and thanks for being willing to help
[21:24] <Amoz> is there a reason why you don't want to change all the html instead of the css?
[21:25] <cjohnston> too many projects to change, like I said
[21:27] <Amoz> so, there a lot of different projects with different html templates, that's why you want the css ported instead ?
[21:27] <cjohnston> correct.
[21:27] <Amoz> I see
[21:29] <Amoz> well then, goodnight ^^
[21:30] <cjohnston> g'nite
[21:43] <AlanBell> does summit work with postgres 9.1?
[21:46] <cjohnston> AlanBell: not sure..
[21:46] <AlanBell> fair enough, I will tell you later then :)
[21:47] <cjohnston> sounds good
[21:47] <cjohnston> lol
[22:22]  * AlanBell adds THEME_MEDIA = ubuntu_website.MEDIA_ROOT to localsettings.py
[22:23] <AlanBell> hmm, no
[22:24] <AlanBell> ok, something needs to be done with ubuntu_settings.py but I am not sure what
[22:24] <AlanBell> 'Settings' object has no attribute 'THEME_MEDIA' is the error I get from the server when running it
[22:26] <AlanBell> there is something not right in the installation instructions, not sure how the linaro and ubuntu themes are set up
[22:31] <cprofitt> hey Pendulum
[22:31] <cprofitt> hey bobweaver
[22:37] <AlanBell> ok, well I think I have summit nearly installed, but I don't know how to do a valid localsettings.py just copying localsettings.py.sample doesn't seem right
[22:38] <AlanBell> suggestions would be great, I am done for the night o/
[23:04] <Amoz> AlanBell: I had the same error, cjohnston helped me
[23:05] <Amoz> AlanBell: now I remember, run this instead of just runserver
[23:05] <cjohnston> AlanBell: pyton manage.py runserver --settings ubuntu_settings
[23:06] <Amoz> oh you
[23:06] <Amoz> beat me to it
[23:06] <Amoz> one second away from pasting it
[23:06] <cjohnston> fix my spelling errors tho
[23:06] <Amoz>  python manage.py runserver --settings ubuntu_settings
[23:06] <Amoz> there AlanBell
[23:07] <cjohnston> Amoz: can you post him a link to the db I gave you please?
[23:07] <cjohnston> the last one
[23:07] <Amoz> AlanBell: http://ubuntuone.com/4T5jdYPnbKKR2b541lnVDM
[23:18] <AlanBell> wohoo
[23:18]  * AlanBell has a working summit, thanks all
[23:18] <AlanBell> the installation instructions could do with a bit more followability, I will try and update them
[23:24] <Amoz> cjohnston: hm, how did you begin the porting for the css? you're still on the old css but importing piece by piece from the new design?
[23:24] <mars> newz2000, I moved the .wsgi file into apache/wsgi.  Check apacha/ubuntu for the vhost setup.
[23:25] <cjohnston> yes
[23:37] <Amoz> cjohnston: you haven't linked the core-grid.css etc. ?
[23:38] <cjohnston> Amoz: no, I was just pulling it into default.css
[23:40] <Amoz> cjohnston: weird.. I can't find .clearfix in default.css
[23:40] <Amoz> it's in core-grid.css
[23:40] <cjohnston> right
[23:40] <cjohnston> its in core-grid
[23:40] <cjohnston> i hadnt gotten that far
[23:41] <cjohnston> I did more than half of the main core file, and started on one of the others
[23:42] <cjohnston> if you want to start fresh from ubuntu-community-webthemes/light-django-themes and port the css yourself thats fine..
[23:42] <cjohnston> I find it really annoying that the current css has the same things in multiple areas
[23:42] <Amoz> yeah I'll try to begin from a fresh set I think
[23:43] <Amoz> hard to keep track of what's already done by you, and what's not :)
[23:43] <Amoz> I'll check it out tomorrow
[23:43] <Amoz> it's past midnight here, so...
[23:43] <Amoz> g'night.. for real
[23:43] <Amoz> cjohnston: thanks again
[23:43] <Amoz> bye!
[23:44] <cjohnston> lol
[23:44] <cjohnston> g'nite


[05:25] <hot_wheelz> can a dev pls take a look at this https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/666120
[05:25] <Zinn> [bugs.launchpad.net] Bug #666120 in Mythbuntu: âIssue installing mythbuntu 10.10â
[05:25] <hot_wheelz> yes
[05:26] <hot_wheelz> @zinn have u seen the issue?
[05:26] <Zinn> Hi hot_wheelz, something I can help you with today?  I am a bot, use !help to see what I can do.
[05:27] <hot_wheelz> ah sorry about that
[05:59] <tgm4883> hot_wheelz, verify the ISO against the md5sum, I haven't heard of any issues like that
[06:17] <hot_wheelz> tgm4883 where is the md5?
[06:54] <hot_wheelz> hello
[07:27] <hot_wheelz> tgm4883 got it
[08:46] <hanfm> hey there, i've got a problem with my sound.  all voices are quit, while all otherrr noises are normal. do somebody know this problem?
[08:46] <hanfm> *quiet
[13:05] <Iluvatar> OK. I was persuaded to install Mythbuntu 10.10 on my older machine (which was running D1's MythTV).
[13:05] <Iluvatar> It appeared to install OK (albeit without any fancy peripherals. ).
[13:05] <Iluvatar> When I rebooted the machine, all I got was "mythbuntu" on a black screen with 5 red dots underneath.
[13:05] <Iluvatar> (Except... I did ask it to install TV out. That seemed strange because I wasn't asked to nominate a tuner card).
[13:05] <Iluvatar> The machine boots and runs the frontend from the CD nicely. After that - no joy.
[13:05] <Iluvatar> What do I do now? Do I:
[13:05] <Iluvatar> 1] Give up.
[13:05] <Iluvatar> 2] Download an older distro of Mythbuntu, and try that?
[13:05] <Iluvatar> The doco is of no help.
[13:05] <Iluvatar> Can anyone help here?  Thanks in advance for any encouraging advice :)
[15:30] <Guest2601> Hi everybody...
[15:33] <Guest2601> is there an expert for mythtv backend setup with dvb-s in Germany? I found some howtos, but still the problem occurs "unable to locate channels" when setting up channels.... tried also to import channels.conf... same result... tried a TT-PCI DVBS 1.5 and a technisat Skystar 2.... with both I can tune and manually create a channels.conf, but the backend setup refuses to take it
[15:34] <Guest2601> same result with current mythbuntu and the previous
[15:42] <mrand> Guest2601: for scanning problems, we refer people to #mythtv-users
[15:45] <Guest2601> ok, thanks
[20:06] <luckyone_> quick question - does anyone know if mythbuntu 10.10 has support for the HVR-2250 or do you still have to manually compile the driver for the SAA7164 from kernel labs?
[20:10] <rhpot1991> luckyone_: I believe it should work, check with google or the forums for sure though
[20:22] <drifting-on-a-dr> Need help Mythbackend tuners unavailable, 8.04 Ubuntu .21Myth
[20:22] <tgm4883> upgrade?
[20:22] <tgm4883> or rather
[20:22] <tgm4883> restart your backend?
[20:24] <rhpot1991> also upgrade :)
[20:24] <drifting-on-a-dr> Long story, was upgrade, problems with tuners so I restored. Knew something was amiss, so deleted tuners on original working system. Two Nova-S, 1 Nova-T 500 both can scan and detect channels. However from information no tuners, or live tv
[20:24] <rhpot1991> someone was having issues a few days back with playback eating more CPU than normal, whoever you are are you around still?
[20:25] <tgm4883> drifting-on-a-dr, did you go through all the steps in mythtv-setup?
[20:25] <drifting-on-a-dr> tgm, yes I did
[20:25] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, you don't like to be vague do you?
[20:25] <rhpot1991> tgm4883: thats about all they said, so I can't be any more specific than that
[20:25] <rhpot1991> figuring it may be similar to the issue I fixed on my box over the weekend so if they respond I can check that
[20:27] <drifting-on-a-dr> tgm - did have problems with tuner numbering, tried usual delete all, in the end I zero the db numbering from post I saw, tuners now numbered right
[20:30] <rhpot1991> drifting-on-a-dr: try to optimize/repair/etc your DB
[20:31] <drifting-on-a-dr> Shall try it right now.
[20:34] <SpaceBass> hey folks
[20:35] <rhpot1991> drifting-on-a-dr: easiest place is in mythweb if you have it enabled
[20:35] <SpaceBass> anyone useing Mythexport to convert HD recordings? I'm getting no audio on my converted files
[20:35] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, ^
[20:35] <rhpot1991> settings > database
[20:35] <rhpot1991> SpaceBass: what version?
[20:36] <SpaceBass> ubuntu 10.10 (was 10.4 same issue) mythexport - latest
[20:37] <rhpot1991> SpaceBass: assuming you reconfigured after the upgrade (or if you got the latest from a ppa before time)?
[20:37] <SpaceBass> rhpot1991, I get audio in VLC, but not quicktime - goal is to transcode for iPad (iTunes)
[20:37] <rhpot1991> SpaceBass: dpkg -l |grep mythexport
[20:37] <SpaceBass> rhpot1991, 2.2.2-0ubuntu1
[20:38] <rhpot1991> ok good
[20:38] <qwebirc75857> !help
[20:38] <Zinn> !help For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].
[20:39] <SpaceBass> rhpot1991, in fairness my myth install has been wonky for quite a while - howver I think this is an ffmpeg setting
[20:40] <rhpot1991> try to modify your config and add "-ar 44100"
[20:40] <SpaceBass> K - is that audio sample rate? Trying to learn too :D
[20:41] <rhpot1991> I'm not sure it will help, but I've had others tell me they had to add it
[20:41] <rhpot1991> for them it didn't run without it though
[20:41] <rhpot1991> I think, looking for the other email
[20:41] <drifting-on-a-dr> DB repaired and optimized, do I clear config of tuners and start again ?
[20:42] <rhpot1991> drifting-on-a-dr: restart the backend and see if they show up
[20:42] <rhpot1991> sudo restart mythtv-backend
[20:42] <SpaceBass> while I'm thinking about Mythexport - does it have to run on the local machine? or could it run on another box?
[20:43] <rhpot1991> SpaceBass: in theory it can run on another box, you need a valid config.xml in place
[20:44] <rhpot1991> it depends on the backend too though, so it will try to install the backend if it isn't there
[20:44] <rhpot1991> SpaceBass: you would need to setup shares so the file paths looked the same
[20:44] <rhpot1991> so yes, but carefully
[20:44] <SpaceBass> rhpot1991, thanks, i'll solve one problem at a time
[20:44] <SpaceBass> but might eventually want to offload that processing
[20:44] <rhpot1991> SpaceBass: try with more than one recording to make sure that its not an issue with that recording too
[20:45] <SpaceBass> rhpot1991, the no audio problem exists with all of my HD recordings
[20:45] <SpaceBass> which is in turn all of my recordings
[20:45] <rhpot1991> SpaceBass: I could make a package that didn't require the backend and help you figure out what needs to go where
[20:45] <rhpot1991> SpaceBass: you enabled medibuntu right?
[20:45] <SpaceBass> rhpot1991, yes and re-enabled after the upgrade
[20:46] <rhpot1991> thats weird, if vlc sees it then there is sound there
[20:46] <drifting-on-a-dr> Checked log on front end, says not capture cards defined? but there is! and  I scanned channels on thm?
[20:47] <SpaceBass> rhpot1991, yeah, makes me think it is something outside of apple's spec - going to try -ar 44100 now
[20:47] <SpaceBass> have also just noticed the new portable h264 presets which may be a good building block
[20:48] <rhpot1991> SpaceBass: you should have been prompted to reconfigure when you upgraded, it shouldn't have worked if you didn't
[20:49] <rhpot1991> and those presets should work well with any apple or android product
[20:49] <rhpot1991> lets see if I have any test files around still
[20:50] <SpaceBass> sorry - by reconfigure I mean re-added the repos
[20:56] <tgm4883> drifting-on-a-dr, backend logs?
[21:04] <drifting-on-a-dr> Just reading up on how to turn logging back on :-) Will report back soon
[21:14] <drifting-on-a-dr> This is going to sound really nieve, but how do I turn backend logging on? I have zer0 length file that is 3 years old!   Installed: 0.21.0+fixes21768-0ubuntu0+mythbuntu1
[21:18] <rhpot1991> drifting-on-a-dr: it should just work
[21:18] <rhpot1991> should be in /var/log/mythtv/mythtvbackend or so
[21:19] <rhpot1991> drifting-on-a-dr: are you sure the backend is actually running, sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend status
[21:19] <mrand> also, check permissions and ownership on that file and directory.
[21:20] <drifting-on-a-dr> Yes, backend is running, can watch recorded show from frontends
[21:22] <drifting-on-a-dr> syslog r/w adm r/w other r/w folder mythtv owns
[21:34] <drifting-on-a-dr> paul@vs:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend status
[21:34] <drifting-on-a-dr>  * mythbackend is running
[21:56] <mrand> well, absent all other explainations, the most simple/straight-forward should apply: double check that it is started with arguments to log to that file.
[21:59] <drifting-on-a-dr> I have logging now, not quite sure why but restarted whole server, no errors seen, backend is running, play recorded from front ends, but info in frontends still so tuner unavailable, log says nothing about tuners
[22:02] <rhpot1991> smells like the tuners are busy or not setup correctly
[22:05] <drifting-on-a-dr> As I said this was all working fine, however the tuner numbering has been to pot for ages, incrementing up with each config, after failed update to 10.4 (no tuners) I restored from backup. Decided to see if I could reset again with old install so that I could upgrade. Tuners are there, I can scan channels, I can edit the channels it scans.
[22:11] <rhpot1991> drifting-on-a-dr: you can normally fix that by hand but have to be careful
[22:11] <rhpot1991> I wonder if you broke something when you deleted them all and tried to get them back to 0
[22:11] <rhpot1991> may have an id missmatch on the tables now
[22:12] <drifting-on-a-dr> I did follow info on Ubuntu docs to zero tuners, numbering now right, tuners are 1 - 8 but no live tv  since
[22:13] <rhpot1991> drifting-on-a-dr: nothing in the logs when you try to start livetv? (backend logs)
[22:13] <drifting-on-a-dr> No nothing
[22:13] <TuxBender> who does have a little bit of time get lirc running after update from mythbuntu 04.10 to 10
[22:14] <rhpot1991> TuxBender: depends on your device
[22:15] <TuxBender> hauppauge tv card
[22:15] <TuxBender> in 04.10 I had no problem. after update. no output from irw
[22:16]  * rhpot1991 finds a bug for you
[22:16] <drifting-on-a-dr> Assume I may have to increase logging? but was considering yet another clean out of tuners, not sure what else to do
[22:17] <rhpot1991> TuxBender: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/658496
[22:17] <Zinn> [bugs.launchpad.net] Bug #658496 in Mythbuntu: âHauppauge remote not working on upgrade to Maverick Meerkatâ
[22:17] <rhpot1991> see if that helps
[22:17] <rhpot1991> TuxBender: also make sure that you don't have lirc-modules-source installed
[22:19] <drifting-on-a-dr> I am not skilled enough to know how to repair the DB if it is corrupt. Oh well I better start packing my bags, the GF will murder me
[22:19] <rhpot1991> drifting-on-a-dr: how did you 0 the tuners?
[22:19] <TuxBender> argh. shit!
[22:19] <Zinn> TuxBender: Please watch your language.
[22:19] <TuxBender> i hav not installed it
[22:20] <rhpot1991> TuxBender: good, you don't want that insalled
[22:20] <TuxBender> therefrore, wait and keep the fingers crossed
[22:20] <drifting-on-a-dr> > truncate table capturecard;
[22:20] <drifting-on-a-dr> > truncate table cardinput;
[22:20] <drifting-on-a-dr> > quit
[22:21] <rhpot1991> drifting-on-a-dr: I would go into mythtv-setup, delete everything in there and reset everything up
[22:22] <TuxBender> rhpot1991, therefore, wait till someone does update the kernel and fix the issue?
[22:23] <rhpot1991> TuxBender: try the lirc_zilog part
[22:23] <rhpot1991> and check that forum thread that is linked
[22:25] <mulambo> lirc-sir is crashing on mythbuntu 10.10


[11:21] <tjaalton> running 1.18 now, ppa:canonical-x/x-staging has the main drivers built
[11:23] <mamarley> tjaalton: I have actually been running it since you uploaded evdev and synaptics and haven't had any issues.  Thanks!
[11:24] <tjaalton> built the rest on your own?
[11:24] <tjaalton> evdev had a bug
[11:25] <tjaalton> file conflict with xserver
[11:31] <mamarley> tjaalton: Nope, my systems have only devices that use evdev and synaptics, and nvidia video cards.  I just removed everything else and --force-conflicted the evdev file.
[11:32] <tjaalton> ah
[14:25] <tjaalton> intel defaults to DRI3 there.. ballsy