[03:09] <tga> teeagooXFCEnroda, can you be more specific than "dont works"?
[03:09] <brunolima> hey guys
[03:09] <teeagooXFCEnroda> tgs, dont run when i do login
[03:10] <tga> teeagooXFCEnroda, do you get any errors?
[03:10] <brunolima> does anyone here already installed gkrellm ?
[03:10] <teeagooXFCEnroda> tgp, no, but have something in .xsession-error, one minute, i will see
[03:10] <cevizoglu> war-totem, not sure what's wrong then.. I can ping/connect from ubuntu to windows and vice-versa without any special configuration or setup steps
[03:11] <Xorlev> Augh Xorg had such a huge memory leak. It was using 2gb total memory, with 4mb of physical memory left out of 1gb, and 16mb of swap left out of 1.6gb
[03:11] <war-totem> ok
[03:11] <sorush20> brunolima: make sure if you are using gkrellm that you don't have a abit motherboard.. that way you will not be able to check the temperature of the motherboard...
[03:11] <cevizoglu> war-totem, the only thing that comes to mind is windows is blocking ping and your other ports
[03:11] <war-totem> im gonna chek out this tux mag
[03:11] <war-totem> right
[03:11] <tga> war-totem, so can you ping the linux box from the winxp one?
[03:11] <war-totem> one sec ill try
[03:12] <Orby> ummm could someone point me to the howto for ati on ubuntu :)
[03:12] <Madpilot> !ati
[03:12] <ubotu> ati is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI, or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10&highlight=fglrx
[03:12] <Orby> ty :)
[03:12] <redin> Algum Brasileiro ae?
[03:12] <tga> redin, #ubuntu-br
[03:12] <war-totem> no problems pinging ubuntu from winxp
[03:12] <sorush20> can you install .deb file by clicking
[03:12] <tga> war-totem, then you have a firewall on windows
[03:13] <redin> tga, brasileiro?
[03:13] <tga> redin, nope
[03:13] <war-totem> weird
[03:13] <redin> tga,  tks
[03:13] <redin> xD
[03:13] <war-totem> i thought id disabled it
[03:13] <Seveas> sorush20, not yet
[03:13] <sorush20> Seveas: is it possible in anyother distro
[03:13] <teeagooXFCEnroda> tga, something like "Xconposite..."
[03:13] <Xorlev> Seveas: Couldn't you make a double-click action to open a terminal and run dpkg -i package.deb?
[03:14] <zeus1_> ok who was the guy who asked me to type in "iwconfig"
[03:14] <Seveas> you can install gdeb
[03:14] <teeagooXFCEnroda> Xcomposite
[03:14] <hussam> anybody's successfullt upgraded to bgreezy using dist-upgrade ?
[03:14] <Seveas> no guarantees on the quality though
[03:14] <tga> teeagooXFCEnroda, paste your error at paste.ubuntulinux.nl, then post the link
[03:14] <Seveas> hussam, yes
[03:14] <cevizoglu> zeus1: it's ifconfig and ipconfig
[03:14] <nalioth> hussam: yes lots of us
[03:14] <Seveas> 2 systems now :)
[03:14] <zeus1_> someone told me to type iwconfig
[03:14] <tga> zeus1_, that was me, make sure your wireless setup is ok
[03:15] <cevizoglu> zeus1: oops, nevermind
[03:15] <sorush20> Xorlev: could you tell me how to do that..
[03:15] <zeus1_> and I got "lo     no wireless connections found" and "sit0     no wireless connections found"
[03:15] <zeus1_> tga ^^
[03:15] <teeagooXFCEnroda> tga, i lost the log :( one minute
[03:15] <caonex> anybody with ndiswrapper here?
[03:15] <tga> zeus1_, what about your wireless interface? eth0 or eth1 or whatever it is
[03:15] <zeus1_> umm all I saw was "lo" and "sit0"
[03:15] !lilo:*! A main rotation server temporarily lost connectivity.... we're looking at it. Thanks.
[03:16] <zeus1_> and they both said no wireless connection found
[03:16] <tga> zeus1_, that means your wireless driver is not loaded
[03:16] <zeus1_> :o
[03:16] <tga> zeus1_, what wifi card do you have?
[03:16] <zeus1_> how do u fix
[03:16] <zeus1_> umm
[03:16] <zeus1_> idk
[03:16] <zeus1_> how do u find out
[03:17] <sorush20> guys for a long time I have been unable to load the gnome panel.. what are the components that need to be run to full run the gnome panel...
[03:18] <D1> are most usb scanners today usb2 or 1.1?
[03:18] <Hergiswi> Hey guys, I have a question regarding LILO
[03:18] <Hergiswi> I installed Ubuntu, then reinstalled Windows (different HD) and then Mandrake (Different partition, same HD as Ubuntu)...now LILO only shows Windows and Mandrake, and not Ubuntu. How can I fix this?
[03:18] <brunolima> how can i stick gkrellm on the right ?
[03:19] <IRCMonkey> does anyone know if there's going to be a messenger with webcam support sometime soon for linux?
[03:20] <tga> IRCMonkey, not very likely.. your best bet is gnomemeeting
[03:20] <IRCMonkey> tga: thanks
[03:22] <Hergiswi> anyone know?
[03:22] <Spermite> i need a a iso for debian, not really sure which one to pick im guessing this one debian-31r0a-i386-bi..>
[03:23] <nalioth> Spermite: i think you've joined the wrong channel
[03:23] <Spermite> nalioth cant talk in debian
[03:24] <nalioth> Spermite: we dont usually talk about debian in here
[03:25] <Hergiswi> so nobody knows..
[03:25] <IRCMonkey> im still trying to find a MSN MEssenger equivilant for linux that has webcam support
[03:25] <cevizoglu> Hergiswi: you re-run lilo's installer.  i don't know offhand what it's called, I use yaboot, not lilo
[03:25] <nalioth> Hergiswi: may i point out that instead of "so nobody knows" try asking your question again
[03:25] <teeagoo> somebody helpme, xfce dont works: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2135
[03:25] <drapelyk> they need to make Trillian for linux
[03:26] <drapelyk> only a free video version
[03:26] <Hergiswi> to be honest, I prefer GRUB over LILO, but it just decided to install LILO
[03:26] <Hergiswi> and I dunno how to install GRUB
[03:26] <IRCMonkey> they need to make any messenger for linux have webcam
[03:26] <IRCMonkey> support
[03:26] <hondje> sudo apt-get install grub?
[03:26] <Hergiswi> in Mandriva?
[03:27] <cevizoglu> Hergiswi: in ubuntu
[03:27] <Hergiswi> I can't access Ubuntu
[03:27] <Hergiswi> that's the point
[03:27] <Epix> error! apt is buggering up after breezy install: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2136
[03:27] <hondje> probably urpmi install grub
[03:27] <IRCMonkey> does DMSN have webcam support ?
[03:27] <Hergiswi> Mandriva isn't recognizing Ubuntu in LILO for some reason
[03:27] <cevizoglu> Hergiswi: then you should go to #mandriva, I think
[03:27] <Fiyawerx> i saw someone on the forums post about that
[03:27] <Fiyawerx> i think the answer was amsn
[03:27] <bimberi> Hergiswi: i don't know for sure, but i reckon you'll need to edit the lilo configuration to include ubuntu in its options.  I think the file is lilo.conf
[03:27] <IRCMonkey> amsn doesnt have it and its not all that great
[03:27] <Fiyawerx> ah
[03:28] <IRCMonkey> kopete is pretty good
[03:28] <sorush20> if I upgrade gnome as the root user will it effect the other users.. and will the vice versa be the same
[03:28] <IRCMonkey> but none have the webcam support
[03:28] <IRCMonkey> or VoIP
[03:28] <zorba64> Epix: can you post your /etc/apt/sources.lst
[03:28] <christopher> is someone able to help me with installing my usb wireless card? I'm at a dead end with the forums....
[03:29] <cevizoglu> Hergiswi: you can download grub, build it, edit grub's config file, then install it
[03:29] <Hergiswi> on which OS? all 3 of them?
[03:29] <cevizoglu> Hergiswi: just on mandriva
[03:29] <Hergiswi> oh, ok
[03:30] <war-totem> what name do i have to use when mounting winxp
[03:30] <war-totem> the comp name or the ip?
[03:30] <zorba64> Hergiswi: edit /etc/lilo.conf to show it...what /dev/hd? is ubuntu on?
[03:30] <bimberi> war-totem: the IP (unless you have a DNS setup or an entry in /etc/hosts for your winxp box)
[03:30] <luckyaba> anyone know a good howto for embadding an irc client into a webpage?
[03:30] <cevizoglu> Hergiswi: it installs to the bootloader.  be sure you really, really know what you're doing or you could lose all your boot settings
[03:31] <war-totem> can i do this from terminal?
[03:31] <nalioth> !tell war-totem about ntfs
[03:31] <smil0n> anyone else having Xserver problems after the recent ubuntu updates?
[03:31] <cevizoglu> luckyaba: I've run an irc client in a web page, it was java based
[03:32] <HrdwrBoB> you can run a cgi irc program
[03:32] <HrdwrBoB> bizarrely
[03:32] <HrdwrBoB> it's called cgi irc
[03:32] <SlicerDicer-> luckyaba, there is some on sourceforge look there
[03:32] <war-totem> ok but, their seperate machines
[03:32] <zorba64> smil0n: in breezy? nope...smooth as
[03:32] <smil0n> anyone know how i can get xserver back up and running?
[03:32] <hussam> nalioth, Seveas: is it true "Initializing modules" fails in breezy?
[03:33] <Epix> zorba64,  http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2137
[03:33] <zorba64> smil0n: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:33] <nalioth> hussam: i run powerpc ubuntu. my problems are not gonna be your problems.
[03:33] <nalioth> hussam: Seveas could tell you, probably
[03:33] <IRCMonkey> hmmm... does anyone know of a plug-in that allows gaim or kopete or amsn to have webcam support
[03:33] <smil0n> zorba64: thanks. i'll try that now.
[03:34] <luckyaba> evizoglu: would you have an example.. im lost..lol
[03:34] <zorba64> Epix: you are missing the main repo...use this one as a ref http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/2138
[03:34] <mik3> what's the command to run for reconfiguring xorg?
[03:34] <hussam> Seveas: did you get  "Initializing modules" fails after you upgraded to breezy?
[03:35] <Carpe_Libertatem> I have two hard drives, hda and hdb. hda is not partitioned, hdb is partitioned into two fat32 partitions, an ext3, and a swap partition. Windows is installed on hda, and Ubuntu is installed on hdb. After I installed Ubuntu on a partition on hdb, Windows sees hdb as one giant raw disk, and Ubuntu sees the partitions fine.
[03:35] <zdennis> mik3, dpkg-reconfigure xorg ?
[03:35] <war-totem> nalioth
[03:35] <Carpe_Libertatem> Why is this happening - what can I do to fix it?
[03:35] <mik3> zdennis : perhaps, i recall using apt-get for somer reason
[03:35] <war-totem> that script says no usable windows or mac
[03:35] <war-totem> partitions
[03:36] <zorba64> mik3: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:36] <zdennis> mik3, apt-get doesn't reconfigure packages
[03:36] <cevizoglu> how do I invert the colors on my screen?
[03:37] <Carpe_Libertatem> Anyone?
[03:37] <zorba64> Carpe_Libertatem: windows cannot read ext3 file systems
[03:38] <Carpe_Libertatem> zorba64: Did you read what I posted?
[03:38] <zorba64> yup
[03:38] <IRCMonkey> does anyone know a plug-in site for any of the following , Kopete, Gaim, AMSN
[03:38] <Carpe_Libertatem> zorba: hdb is partitioned into two fat32 partitions, an ext3, and a swap partition.
[03:38] <ick> w00t
[03:38] <ick> ick?
[03:38] <bimberi> war-totem: i think what you're looking for is here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SettingUpSamba under the heading "Mounting a samba share"
[03:38] <Carpe_Libertatem> zorba: Windows sees ALL OF IT, as one raw disk.
[03:39] <azahid> i am new to MEPIS. Can somebody tell me how I can upgrade from MEPIS 3.3.0 to 3.3.2
[03:39] <cevizoglu> Carpe_Libertatem: not sure what you mean since you said you installed windows on an unpartitioned device
[03:39] <JairunCaloth> Never used irc in the shell before
[03:39] <Madpilot> azahid: I think you on the wrong channel...
[03:39] <bimberi> azahid: er, this is not a mepis support channel
[03:39] <nalioth> JairunCaloth: it offers more options in a shell
[03:39] <Madpilot> *you're, even
[03:39] <azahid> sorry
[03:39] <Carpe_Libertatem> cevizoglu: I mean, hda contains a single partition.
[03:39] <JairunCaloth> nalioth: when you've never used it before it's rather confusing
[03:39] <nalioth> azahid: 1: d/l the latest mepis, 2: learn about apt-get
[03:39] <JairunCaloth> Only reason I'm in the shell is because x refuses to start
[03:40] <IRCMonkey> good news kopete is working on webcam support
[03:40] <nalioth> JairunCaloth: i have X and use a console irc client
[03:40] <JairunCaloth> normaly I just use xchat
[03:40] <smil0n> zorba64: i got my X up and running again. Thanks for the tip. But why would the update change my previous configuration?
[03:40] <oficina_> hello i have a problem with my mouse wifi ... is a USB
[03:41] <cevizoglu> Carpe_Libertatem, my guess is your partitioner did not actually create the FAT partitions, OR, windows isn't displaying them unless you tell it to, which I've seen it do iirc
[03:41] <JairunCaloth> So... I installed the updates today, and all of the sudden after turning my comptuer back on after the update, my computer won't start X
[03:41] <nalioth_wrkn> JairunCaloth: tomorrows updates may fix it
[03:41] <budluva> JairunCaloth, check your logs and see why it isnt starting
[03:41] <nalioth_wrkn> JairunCaloth: it WILL be fixed
[03:42] <budluva> oh
[03:42] <JairunCaloth> are other poeple experiancing the same problems?
[03:42] <zorba64> smil0n: was it a hoary-breezy update?
[03:42] <JairunCaloth> I'm pretty helpless in the shell, It took me 15 min to figure out how to connect to this irc server
[03:43] <Versed> Didn't ubuntu install xchat for you?
[03:44] <JairunCaloth> I don't think Xchat will work in the shell
[03:44] <Versed> k
[03:44] <smil0n> zorba64: it was hoary-hedgehog
[03:44] <JairunCaloth> I accutally had to boot into recovery mode or something
[03:44] <budluva> well bitchx is a good shell irc client
[03:44] <zorba64> JairunCaloth: xchat-text - IRC client for console similar to AmIRC
[03:45] <zorba64> smil0n: dont know for sure...unless they did some major changes to X in hoary
[03:45] <JairunCaloth> I don't even know what this client is. I just typed irc and hoped something would run, lucky me I have a shell irc client
[03:46] <budluva> JairunCaloth, apt-get install bitchx
[03:46] <JairunCaloth> this one suits my purposes
[03:46] <bimberi> JairunCaloth: you'll be using irssi then
[03:46] <smil0n> zorba64: well thanks anyway for the info. i feel better now.
[03:46] <zorba64> smil0n: np
[03:47] <JairunCaloth> When I boot normaly It goes allthe way to where it starts X then it freezes. And my keyboard stops responding completly
[03:47] <LinuxNewbie> hello there, how can ubuntu read fat32 and ntfs file system?
[03:47] <kdibble> Would someone be kind enough to tell me which package the manpages for the standard c library are in?
[03:47] <bimberi> !tell LinuxNewbie about ntfs
 I know it can read ntfs
[03:48] <cevizoglu> JairunCaloth: you should try going through the terminals and see if it's displaying any other errors
[03:48] <JairunCaloth> I can't
[03:48] <zorba64> LinuxNewbie: it can read fat32, u need to :sudo modprobe ntfs and then it will read ntfs too
[03:48] <JairunCaloth> I can't switch terminals, everything locks up
[03:49] <LinuxNewbie> huh?
[03:49] <LinuxNewbie> how do you do that?
[03:49] <cevizoglu> JairunCaloth, ctrl-option-F1 does nothing?
[03:49] <JoeLiTo> Hello Ubuntu lovers and soon converts
[03:49] <JairunCaloth> I rebooted into recovery mode, but I still can't switch terminals. Which makes it really hard for me to fix whatever is going on. Nornally I have #ubuntu and the internet to help
[03:49] <kdibble> Would someone be kind enough to tell me which package the manpages for the standard c library are in?
[03:49] <bluefoxicy> can someone help me rip and re-encode a DVD onto another DVD?
[03:50] <JairunCaloth> cevizoglu: nope
[03:50] <JairunCaloth> I can't even get numlock to light up
[03:50] <bluefoxicy> I just bought "The Incredibles" and while watching it it flicks the picture on and off because it's going through my VCR since my TV has no audio/video jacks
[03:50] <zorba64> LinuxNewbie: need more info on where your fat32 and ntfs drives/partitions migh be
[03:51] <HrdwrBoB> bluefoxicy: watch it on your PC
[03:51] <cevizoglu> JairunCaloth: are you in breezy, warty or hoary?
[03:51] <bluefoxicy> so I need to -ILLEGALLY COPY- this DVD in a total violation of the DMCA and FUCK UP THE QUALITY to watch it A) on a smaller screen, B) taking up my computer screen so I can't work productively at the same time
[03:51] <Epix_> omg, it crashed.. while i was dist-upgrding
[03:51] <HrdwrBoB> ah
[03:51] <bluefoxicy> hang on
[03:51] <bluefoxicy> i'm going to flame the MPAA real quick.
[03:51] <zorba64> Epix_: more info
[03:51] <HrdwrBoB> bluefoxicy: solution: get a TV that's not older than my grandmother
[03:51] <Epix_> zorba64: i was using VNC at the time
[03:51] <bluefoxicy> HrdwrBoB:  this requires money.
[03:52] <bluefoxicy> HrdwrBoB:  I work at best buy.  I used to make $500/pay, now I make $100/pay because my hours have been cut to a few hours a week
[03:52] <IRCMonkey> how do i make a launcher for kopete (how do i know which is the kopete path)
[03:52] <bluefoxicy> and they continue to cut my time
[03:52] <HrdwrBoB> ooh bugger
[03:52] <bluefoxicy> I still think they want to force me to quit so they don't have to pay my unemployment check.
[03:52] <Hergiswi>  Uh, Grub wants me to give Ubuntu "kernel image", but I don't know what that is. o_O
[03:52] <bluefoxicy> (massive labor law violation)
[03:52] <Carpe_Libertatem> Bah.
[03:52] <cevizoglu> bluefoxicy: you're becoming off-topic really fast here
[03:53] <war-totem> someone told me that their was an article on lans in this issue of tux
[03:53] <war-totem> where is it?
[03:53] <war-totem> im not seeing it
[03:53] <Carpe_Libertatem> Why can't Windows see my FAT partitions on hdb? v_v
[03:53] <Tuxhedoh> can anyone point me to an IRC room that might be helpful with noob bash scripting?
[03:53] <cevizoglu> Tuxhedoh: #bash
[03:54] <reiki> ubotu tell reiki about mplayer
[03:54] <itoysook> hi
[03:54] <Tuxhedoh> Thanks cevizoglu
[03:54] <cevizoglu> Carpe_Libertatem: which steps exactly did you take to creating the FAT partitions?
[03:54] <Carpe_Libertatem> Just now I used GTParted to delete the existing FAT partitions, and made a new one.
[03:54] <bimberi> JairunCaloth: have you tried a "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" ?
[03:54] <itoysook> how can i add web cam.
[03:55] <war-totem> ubotu tell war-totem about mplayer
[03:55] <Carpe_Libertatem> cevizoglu, what else do you need to know?
[03:55] <war-totem> haha so cool
[03:55] <cevizoglu> Carpe_Libertatem: not familiar with GTParted, sorry
[03:55] <JairunCaloth> how do I scroll up in this client?
[03:55] <itoysook> please help me. how to add a web cam
[03:55] <drapelyk> ubotu tell drapelyk about mplayer
[03:55] <volvoguy> i'm still trying to track down info for my newest Ubuntu convert. is there no DNS server in Ubuntu's main repository?
[03:55] <Carpe_Libertatem> cevizoglu, what else can I try?
[03:56] <kdibble> ubotu tell kdibble about c library manpages
[03:56] <Carpe_Libertatem> cevizoglu, Had a typo, it's GParted.
[03:56] <drgalaxy> how do I boot my hd ro so that I can fsck.ext3 -c (fix bad blocks)?
[03:56] <Hergiswi> I'm gonna go try to boot to Ubuntu; brb
[03:56] <JairunCaloth> bim: going to try that brb
[03:56] <Epix> gawd
[03:57] <bimberi> volvoguy: bind9
[03:57] <odatubuntu> anyone have any experience with enemy territory?
[03:57] <chavo> I only have one getty running when I boot into level 5, is that normal?
[03:57] <cevizoglu> Carpe_Libertatem: making FAT is usually a two-step process for me.  I have to partition the drive for FAT, set the type of partition to FAT, and also run another tool to initialize as FAT
[03:57] <chavo> odatubuntu, yes, it rocks
[03:57] <cevizoglu> Carpe_Libertatem, er, three steps
[03:57] <teeagoo> how disable xcomposite?
[03:57] <odatubuntu> chavo: i have it installed and it runs but i have no sound
[03:57] <Carpe_Libertatem> cevizoglu, So - how do I do that with the tools you use?
[03:57] <volvoguy> bimberi, thanks! you'd think they'd put "dns server" somewhere in the description. :)
[03:57] <cevizoglu> Carpe_Libertatem, I can't remember the name of the tool offhand
[03:57] <bimberi> volvoguy: yw :)
[03:57] <chavo> odatubuntu, I think you have to kill esd before running it
[03:58] <Epix> odatubuntu: killall esd
[03:58] <chavo> odatubuntu, I run all of my games as a seperate login though
[03:58] <odatubuntu> chavo: i tried that command but it didn't do anything
[03:58] <chavo> so there's nothing in memory
[03:58] <JairunCaloth> says xserver-org is not installed
[03:58] <Epix> chavo: what games do you run :P?
[03:58] <chavo> mostly enemy territory
[03:58] <cevizoglu> anyone know how to format a partition as FAT?
[03:58] <odatubuntu> epix: do that at the terminal then run et?
[03:58] <bimberi> JairunCaloth: did i typo? it should be xserver-xorg
[03:58] <Epix> odatubuntu: try it!
[03:59] <JairunCaloth> ah, I may have written it down wrong
[03:59] <JairunCaloth> brb
[03:59] <Epix> chavo: yay for et :D
[03:59] <LinuxNewbieX6X> hello im back
[03:59] <chipmunk> is there alternative windows media player in Ubuntu in playing yahoo videos?help
[03:59] <LinuxNewbieX6X> whats the tools that you suggested that i use?
[03:59] <cevizoglu> LinuxNewbie, who are you talking to?
[03:59] <LinuxNewbieX6X> read NTFS and FAT32?
[03:59] <Epix> chipmunk: Totem
[03:59] <volvoguy> next one. iptables is the best (only?) replacement for ipchains?
[03:59] <chavo> half life 2, jedi knight series, mohaa and sof2 are my favorites
[03:59] <wasiwatu> hi there, what's the best way to find help for ubuntu here?
[04:00] <odatubuntu> epix: nope i am assuming you should have sound as soon as it starts and i didn't
[04:00] <chipmunk> can it play the video music in yahoo?
[04:00] <Epix> wasiwatu: ask a question!
[04:00] <chavo> I have america's army also, but haven't tried it yet
[04:00] <HrdwrBoB> volvoguy: iptables is the only thing you can use
[04:00] <rob_p> volvoguy:  ipchains was the predicessor (sp) to iptables.
[04:00] <Epix> chipmunk: dunno. try going to the yahoo site and seeing if it works
[04:00] <Epix> chavo: for nix?
[04:00] <cevizoglu> LinuxNewbieX6X, mount
[04:01] <chipmunk> i did but it doesnt, there was an error. i dont know wat it means..any alternative?
[04:01] <chavo> with cedega yes
[04:01] <wasiwatu> ok, I need help installing my usb wireless card using atmel drivers - i'm getting nowhere with the forums can anyone help?
[04:01] <odatubuntu> this is my error /dev/dsp: Input/output error
[04:01] <odatubuntu> Could not mmap /dev/dsp
[04:01] <odatubuntu> -------------------------
[04:01] <LinuxNewbie> bimberi wants you to know: rumour has it, ntfs is the  ile(S)ystem, the filesystem normally used under Windows XP. To automatically mount your NTFS partition/s, you can use this utility: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab . It handles HFS+, NTFS and FAT32 partitions.
[04:01] <Epix> chipmunk: whats the error?
[04:01] <chipmunk> i forgot... let me see...wait
[04:01] <Carpe_Libertatem> !windowsdrives
[04:01] <ubotu> somebody said windowsdrives was Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows partions mount automatically
[04:01] <volvoguy> HrdwrBoB, rob_p, thanks. the latest distro that my former linux guru uses is slackware 9.0. (yes, he's going to like Ubuntu).
[04:02] <bimberi> LinuxNewbie: yes, that's what ubotu would have sent you
[04:02] <rob_p> volvoguy:  I like it quite a bit!
[04:02] <LinuxNewbieX6X> ive open it what should i do with it?
[04:02] <chipmunk> it stil entering...how about mplayer?
[04:02] <LinuxNewbieX6X> im kinda new in in linux
[04:02] <cevizoglu> Carpe_Libertatem, I normally use fdisk and then mkfs.vfat iirc
[04:03] <Epix> chavo: whats cedega?
[04:03] <Luder> Hey, I'm having trouble with Cedega
[04:03] <cevizoglu> !tell Epix about cedega
[04:03] <odatubuntu> anyone have any tips?
[04:03] <Luder> Can anyone helpe me?
[04:03] <Epix> ive been told!
[04:03] <chavo> Epix, it's a fork of wine basically let's you run Windows apps
[04:03] <LinuxNewbieX6X> could you help me with fstab?
[04:03] <chipmunk> o use this application with Netscape, you must use a 4.7x or 7.1 version. Download now.
[04:03] <chipmunk> Please use the following error code when writing to Yahoo! Help. (Error Code: 12) <== this is the error
[04:04] <bimberi> LinuxNewbie: you need to save the file on your computer and run it.  If you open the file in an editor it has instructions
[04:04] <Epix> chavo: free?
[04:04] <dhyne> how could it be??????
[04:04] <chavo> Epix, wine is free, cedega is not
[04:04] <dhyne> i dont know how to use it... i need help from anyone
[04:04] <Epix> *cries*
[04:04] <chavo> cedega allows you to play more recent games though
[04:05] <Luder> chavo, i do believe I'm installing a free version of it right now
[04:05] <chavo> it's very inexpensive though
[04:05] <Luder> if i wasnt having problems... lol
[04:05] <Luder> http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=45
[04:05] <LinuxNewbieX6X> how do install http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab
[04:05] <LinuxNewbieX6X> pls help?
[04:05] <chavo> you can get it for free from their cvs, but it doesn't have all of the code there, esp. dx stuff
[04:06] <Carpe_Libertatem> cevizoglu, how do I use fdisk to partition?
[04:06] <Luder> chavo, i see... well, its not working for me anyways
[04:06] <bimberi> LinuxNewbieX6X: you need to save the file on your computer and run it.    :-P
[04:08] <chavo> az[a] zel, qt apps yes, kde apps no. You need kde-libs and base for that.
[04:08] <bimberi> az[a] zel: install kcontrol
[04:08] <Epix> woot, cedega for freeega
[04:08] <intelikey> you execute it.   LinuxNewbieX6X
[04:08] <maze> odatubuntu: your getting sound in ET?
[04:08] <cevizoglu> Carpe_Libertatem, if you're not sure how to use fdisk, I would read the man pages and maybe a wiki on it
[04:08] <Xorlev> My breezy install took over my cat and installed itsself on it.
[04:08] <odatubuntu> maze: nope
[04:08] <cevizoglu> cya guys, gotta go home
[04:08] <maze> my dog rebooted
[04:09] <volvoguy> my breezy eats babies.
[04:09] <az[a] zel> bimberi, won't kcontrol pull in half of KDE?
[04:09] <maze> odatubuntu: I installed but I get no sound
[04:09] <Xorlev> Good thing is now I can use /etc/init.d/catd stop when the cat is being annoying now.
[04:09] <odatubuntu> my breezy swallows
[04:09] <bimberi> Octane: I'm disappointed to hear it didn't work for you tho :/
[04:09] <az[a] zel> chavo, yeah, it's for lyx-qt specifically, the menu fonts are huge
[04:09] <volvoguy> *obligatory family guy reference*
[04:09] <LinuxNewbieX6X> tnx alot men
[04:09] <az[a] zel> chavo, so how do I do it? :)
[04:09] <chavo> az[a] zel, try running qtconfig
[04:09] <bimberi> az[a] zel: not sure, probably, i just know it's recommended way to make skype look half decent
[04:10] <maze> odatubuntu: you can try this .. http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Make_sound_work_with_ALSA_and_Quake3/Enemy-Territory
[04:10] <bimberi> az[a] zel: ... in gnome that is
[04:10] <bluefoxicy> http://rafb.net/paste/results/uslzJv60.html  Sent to the MPAA's "report piracy hotline"
[04:11] <drapelyk> where is the file to allow universe at?
[04:11] <drapelyk> I have forgotten
[04:11] <mike23> greetings
[04:11] <spstarr> uhm why do we have silly dependencies for kubuntu-desktop in -devel
[04:11] <spstarr> mdadm is needed for what reason? RAID is a desktop thing these days?
[04:11] <klex> devfs_mk_dev: could not append to parent for sound/audio <- what do this mean? it happens after I tried to modprobe snd-azt2320
[04:11] <az[a] zel> ah. that's better :) lyx doesn't look so bad now :)
[04:11] <intelikey> drapelyk "apt-setup"
[04:12] <chavo> az[a] zel, qtconfig worked?
[04:12] <az[a] zel> chavo, yep
[04:12] <chavo> cool
[04:12] <drapelyk> intelikey thanks
[04:12] <az[a] zel> didn't even have to restart lyx. it "just worked"
[04:12] <drapelyk> intelikey what is the directory?
[04:12] <az[a] zel> ... i wouldn't mind a better qt theme though.. something to blend in with clearlooks :)
[04:13] <Zodiac> Hello all
[04:13] <chavo> az[a] zel, there are some kde themes that are close
[04:13] <Zodiac> What p2p programs are you guys using?
[04:13] <drapelyk> What is the PWD for apt-setup?
[04:14] <intelikey> no drapelyk if you just run "apt-setup " it will let you edit the file.      the actual conf file is in /etc/apt/ i think
[04:14] <drapelyk> intelikey alright thanks
[04:14] <Zodiac> amule?
[04:15] <maze> bittorrent
[04:15] <Zodiac> What bittorrent client?
[04:15] <volvoguy> Zodiac, azureus works great for me.
[04:15] <Zodiac> CRAP
[04:16] <Zodiac> I thought you would say that
[04:16] <Zodiac> Mine wouldnt update properly
[04:16] <maze> official bittorrent
[04:16] <Zodiac> ?
[04:16] <bur[n] er> Zodiac: you don't need the latest azureus
[04:16] <bur[n] er> Zodiac: you can just use <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:16] <masterloki> A got a mistake trying to lauch xmms
[04:16] <bur[n] er> or whatever is in there
[04:16] <masterloki> in breezy
[04:17] <bur[n] er> masterloki: quick answer is... get bmp ;)
[04:17] <masterloki> ok
[04:17] <volvoguy> Zodiac, update as in.... upgrade itself? i use the version right from sourceforge and it hasn't failed me yet.
[04:17] <drapelyk> can I not install mplayer in ubuntu?
[04:17] <Zodiac> all right I will try er again
[04:17] <Zodiac> How did you install it from sourceforge?
[04:18] <volvoguy> Zodiac, i don't remember. lemme go look. :)
[04:18] <Zodiac> :)
[04:18] <bonee> how do i revert to a previous verison of a app
[04:18] <drapelyk> Why doesn't mplayer show up in the synaptic Package Mangager?
[04:18] <bur[n] er> !azureus
[04:18] <ubotu> azureus is probably a popular bittorent client written in Java, it can be downloaded from the hoary-extras repository
[04:18] <tritium> yes, you can drapelyk
[04:18] <bur[n] er> Zodiac: you don't need to do it from sf... it's in hoary-extras :)
[04:18] <Madpilot> drapelyk: do you have the Universe/Multiverse repos enabled?
[04:19] <drapelyk> probably not, I ran apt-setup and it asked for my Ubuntu CD
[04:19] <drapelyk> should I go ahead and do it?\
[04:19] <odatubuntu> anyone know what i need to do with enemy territory?
[04:19] <Madpilot> !tell drapelyk about repos
[04:19] <volvoguy> Zodiac, i think i just did this - http://azureus.sourceforge.net/howto_linux.php
[04:19] <charles_> how do i determine which package a file belongs to?
[04:20] <christopher_> can someone help me install amtel drivers for a usb wireless device?
[04:20] <volvoguy> Zodiac, there's also a Gnome Bittorrent client (or is that just in Breezy?)
[04:20] <charles_> sorry , that's a 'man dpkg' question
[04:20] <tritium> odatubuntu, I believe it's a game.  Try playing it ;)
[04:20] <Madpilot> volvoguy: no, GnomeTorrent is in Hoary too
[04:20] <odatubuntu> tritium: kind of sucks without sound
[04:21] <volvoguy> Madpilot, i thought so. i think i only used it once. :)
[04:21] <bob2> christopher_: is it too late to return it?
[04:21] <tritium> odatubuntu, I'll bet
[04:21] <Madpilot> volvoguy: all the torrents I try don't seem to work...
[04:22] <Madpilot> odatubuntu: try "killall esd" in a command line before you start ET
[04:22] <volvoguy> Madpilot, probably obvious, but you have the right ports open in your firewall right?
[04:22] <odatubuntu> madpilot: i tried that i still don't have sound
[04:23] <Madpilot> volvoguy: I'm not sure, I run Firestarter but haven't done any tweaking of it...
[04:24] <Madpilot> odatubuntu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnemyTerritory
[04:24] <odatubuntu> madpilot: this is my error /dev/dsp: Input/output error
[04:24] <odatubuntu> Could not mmap /dev/dsp
[04:24] <drapelyk> I can't find mplayer on any of the repositories
[04:24] <bob2> ha ha
[04:24] <bob2> drapelyk: yes you can, it's in multiverse
[04:25] <drapelyk> k
[04:25] <Madpilot> odatubuntu: no idea, but "killall esd" works for most games for me
[04:26] <bonee> where is the font folder
[04:26] <Madpilot> !fonts
[04:26] <ubotu> I guess fonts is https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FontInstallHowto
[04:26] <Noodle> what kernel is ubuntu 5.04 using
[04:26] <Madpilot> bonee: ^^^
[04:26] <bob2> 2.6.10, the same as it has been using all year
[04:27] <Noodle> thanks bob
[04:27] <bonee> yea mad
[04:27] <odatubuntu> when i go to the multimedia selector esd is my default sink output format
[04:27] <fake> asdf
[04:27] <Madpilot> bonee: I meant "look above and see this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FontInstallHowto - which I asked ubotu to show"
[04:28] <bonee> ohh ok
[04:28] <bonee> thankz
[04:28] <SlicerDicer> hey does anybody here use marvell chipset?
[04:28] <bob2> lots of people have
[04:28] <bob2> it seems to be fairly buggy
[04:28] <bonee> Madpilot: what is a good x manger
[04:28] <SlicerDicer> bob2: do you know what the module is cause the traditional sk98lin does not seem to be it
[04:29] <Madpilot> bonee: not sure what you mean by that...
[04:29] <bob2> skge or something
[04:29] <SlicerDicer> bob2: it will fizzle out on bootup then finally activate itself as it just did haha
[04:29] <SlicerDicer> bob2: its very weird
[04:29] <bob2> seems kinda broken in the mainline kernel
[04:29] <bonee> like kde, gnome, fluxbox, blackbox
[04:29] <bonee> what is a good one for the best gui
[04:29] <volvoguy> Madpilot, that would make all the difference in the world. make sure port 6881 is open and you'll be fine.
[04:29] <Madpilot> bonee: what's wrong with Gnome?
[04:29] <bonee> have stuff run on the wallpaper and stuff
[04:29] <bonee>  i wanna do some crazy stuff
[04:30] <bob2> bonee: there is no "best", they're all different
[04:30] <Madpilot> volvoguy: port 6881 - thanks - off to kick Firestarter to life...
[04:30] <bob2> you'll never know which one you prefer unless you try it
[04:30] <maze> How do you switch between Quake3/ET and the desktop ??
[04:30] <Octane> i need help quite frantically. which kernel source should i download for latest preview release?
[04:30] <bob2> Octane: why?
[04:30] <Octane> bob2: beacuse i need to compile my ethernet card module
[04:30] <bob2> Octane: then say that
[04:31] <bob2> you don't need kernel source for that
[04:31] <bob2> sudo aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[04:31] <Octane> i tried with headers
[04:31] <Octane> i ln -s /usr/src/linux
[04:31] <Octane> to the headers i need
[04:31] <bob2> what driver is this?
[04:31] <Hergiswi> I need some more help...Ubuntu just randomly stopped reading my eth0 card, now I can't connect to the internet
[04:32] <Octane> bob2: sk98lin, syskonnect gigabit ethernet cards
[04:32] <budluva> Hergiswi, lspci see if it lists your ethernet card
[04:32] <bob2> Octane: er, I'm pretty sure that comes with ubuntu kernels
[04:32] <bob2> Hergiswi: what chipset is it?
[04:32] <bob2> budluva: that won't help
[04:32] <Hergiswi> I have no idea
[04:32] <Octane> bob2: it didnt in hoary 2.6.10
[04:32] <bob2> Octane: yes, it does
[04:32] <budluva> bob2, well if its not listed the module isnt loaded
[04:32] <bob2> Octane: /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686/kernel/drivers/net/sk98lin/sk98lin.ko
[04:33] <bob2> budluva: no, lspci output has nothing to do with whether the module is loaded or not
[04:33] <Octane> bob2: should i then just modprobe it?
[04:33] <bob2> worth a try
[04:33] <intelikey> lsmod
[04:33] <Octane> bob2: i have it in /etc/modules
[04:33] <bob2> they're a pretty shit chipset, tho, so it might just not work at all
[04:33] <Octane> and i tonly works when i load 2.6.10 but not 2.6.12 (preview)
[04:34] <bob2> then file a bug already
[04:34] <Octane> i cant even get into kde
[04:34] <bob2> then file a bug
[04:34] <Octane> since my nvidia fails too
[04:34] <bob2> that sounds more like your fault
[04:34] <bob2> you're runing the nvidia drivers from nvidia.com?
[04:34] <carlson> hi all... when we put a hard disk with a installed windows xp, for example on another pc with a diferent configuration it doesnt work and we get a bsod.... does it occurs if we do the same with linux/ubuntu?
[04:34] <Octane> x.org.log says: "failed to intiailze nvidia kernel module"
[04:35] <Octane> no, just upgraded what i had
[04:35] <Madpilot> bonee: for 'crazy stuff' in Gnome, look up gdesklets (or adesklets, I'm not sure what the difference is) I've seen some crazy setups with those...
[04:35] <bob2> Octane: you got the driver yourself from nvidia.com?
[04:35] <Octane> bob2: no, always had it from a package
[04:35] <bob2> oh well
[04:35] <Octane> when i boot, i see the NVIDIA logo for a split second and get dropped to shell
[04:35] <bob2> is it an old nvidia card?
[04:35] <Octane> terminal*
[04:35] <Octane> no, very new geforce
[04:35] <bob2> oh well, file a bug
[04:35] <vanberge> Octane, 6200 ?
[04:35] <Octane> again, worked in hoary
[04:35] <bob2> yes
[04:35] <bob2> which means something changed
[04:35] <bob2> ergo file a bug
[04:36] <bob2> and do it now, release is in 3 weeks
[04:36] <vanberge> i have a 6200... and i did exactly what was on ubuntuguide.org
[04:36] <maze> odatubuntu: check this out .. http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=289541
[04:36] <vanberge> but im on hoary
[04:36] <bob2> ignore ubuntuguide.org
[04:36] <Octane> vanberge: what version
[04:36] <vanberge> 7667 i think
[04:36] <vanberge> Octane, driver version that is
[04:36] <Octane> bob2: im trying to get into kde first
[04:37] <Octane> bob2: which linux soruce should i get from kernel.org, doyo uknow?
[04:37] <Octane> i got <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:37] <intelikey> lol carlson any system with drivers loading specifically for one set of hardware, when placed in another box will give errors.   linux will probably load ok but unless the vidio card and monitor are closely matched you may not have a gui when the new box boots.   same is true for sound.
[04:38] <bob2> er
[04:38] <bob2> I don't think compiling is the best solution at this point
[04:38] <bob2> I'd really really file a bug right now
[04:38] <Octane> bob2: im not compiling it
[04:39] <Octane> im just using the module's installer
[04:39] <bob2> dude
[04:39] <Octane> which needs the source code and headers
[04:39] <bob2> how could that *possibly* work?
[04:39] <Octane> it takes two seconds, just makes mrproper
[04:39] <bob2> no
[04:39] <Octane> they have an autoinstaller
[04:39] <bob2> that will not work
[04:39] <bob2> at all
[04:39] <bob2> no
[04:39] <chavo> Octane, apt-get install linux-headers
[04:39] <Octane> it has worked for every kernel that i have
[04:39] <bob2> install the correct headers like I told you to before
[04:39] <bob2> then you compiled messed up kernels without modversion magic
[04:40] <vanberge> bob2, i think he is right... ihad to get source
[04:40] <Octane> dude, i need source for my module trust me
[04:40] <vanberge> the installer prompts you
[04:40] <bob2> wtf
[04:40] <bob2> I'm sorry, you cannot compile a driver for your 2.6.10 kernel against <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:40] <bob2> it does not work like that
[04:41] <chavo> all you need is the headers
[04:41] <Octane> im reading the README and it says required: "linux source codes
[04:42] <reiki> ouch... install mplayer plugin for mozilla and now firefox crashes :)
[04:43] <vanberge> Octane, i dont remember how i got it... but in my /usr/src/ directory, there is 2.6.10.tar.bz2
[04:43] <Octane> right thats cuz you used a pkg
[04:43] <maze> odatubuntu: I got it working now ... had to change in the profile /dev/dsp for /dev/adsp and run the game as root
[04:43] <vanberge> Octane, are you just having problems finding the src for your kernel?
[04:44] <Octane> well for starters
[04:44] <Octane> that and nvidia drivers are the two biggest problems
[04:44] <maze> anyone knows how to switch from a game like quake/ET to the gnome desktop ?
[04:44] <chavo> Octane, I compiled the nvidia driver with only linux-headers
[04:44] <vanberge> maze, maybe run it in windowed mode?
[04:44] <packman_e> hello people
[04:44] <vanberge> maze, or: ctrl alt f7
[04:44] <Octane> chavo im trying to compile my NIC module
[04:45] <Octane> not nvidia
[04:45] <intelikey> maze [alt] +[tab]   doesn't work ?
[04:45] <adamhill> bob2: so to compile modules should you use -headers or -source packages?
[04:45] <chavo> oh sorry
[04:45] <maze> intelikey: no
[04:45] <adamhill> octane: sk98lin?
[04:45] <bob2> headers
[04:45] <maze> vanberge: ill, try ...thx
[04:45] <bob2> very very few modules require source, and they are basically buggy
[04:45] <chavo> maze, you can run it on a different vty, then switch back and forth
[04:45] <vanberge> maze, try alt tab too
[04:45] <bob2> but you need the EXACT headers your kernel had
[04:45] <Octane> adamhill: yes
[04:46] <adamhill> ha!
[04:46] <Octane> adamhill: !!!
[04:46] <Octane> what!
[04:46] <bob2> so if you want to use source, you need the same kernel config (from /boot) and the identical kernel source version
[04:46] <Octane> bob2:  you need the source for this im telling you dooooooood
[04:46] <adamhill> I am looking to compile sk98lin as well
[04:46] <bob2> dudes
[04:46] <bob2> sk98lin comes with ubuntu
[04:46] <bob2> if it does not work, file a bug NOW
[04:46] <Octane> adamhill: its really easy actually but you nee dsrc
[04:46] <Octane> bob2: !!!!!! it doesnt :(
[04:46] <maze> chavo: whats the hot key to switch between vtys ?
[04:46] <vanberge> i saw somebody mention quake 2... does that run under ubuntu?  i heard it got open sourced
[04:46] <Octane> it should work if i just add 'sk98lin' in modules
[04:47] <adamhill> bob2: it should show up in lsmod?
[04:47] <bob2> Octane: what does "find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) | grep sk98" print?
[04:47] <bob2> adamhill: not unless it is loaded
[04:47] <bob2> Octane: if you ever had to put it in /etc/modules to begin with, something is broken
[04:47] <bob2> hotplug should load it
[04:47] <bob2> vanberge: it's *in* ubuntu
[04:47] <Octane> BOB
[04:47] <vanberge> bob2, im apting it now :-)
[04:48] <Octane> ITS ONLY in /lib/modules/2.6.10-5...
[04:48] <adamhill> bob2: I am running Breezy and that line returns nothing
[04:48] <Octane> bob2: i put it in modules because i compiled it myself :)
[04:48] <Octane> adamhill: yup, me too
[04:48] <adamhill> it *was* in Hoary, but broken
[04:48] <Octane> sk98lin does not come compiled with breezy
[04:48] <Octane> yes !!!!! youre right adamhill
[04:49] <bob2> wtf
[04:49] <adamhill> so where do we file the bug bob2?
[04:49] <vanberge> apparently i need more than quake2...
[04:49] <bob2> bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[04:49] <communico> hi, I'm using the sil 3114 raid controller. I'm trying to figure out whether I should be setting this up as a software raid or a hardware raid. what is the difference?
[04:49] <adamhill> i was about to ask on -laptop :)
[04:49] <bob2> vanberge: yes, you need some data files
[04:49] <vanberge> bob2, are those O.S. or do i need a cdrom?
[04:49] <bob2> communico: http://linux.yyz.us/sata/faq-sata-raid.html
[04:50] <bob2> vanberge: you can download the shareware files for free, you have to pay for the commercial version
[04:50] <Octane> bob2: which source should i get then to match the linux-headers-2.6.12-8
[04:50] <bob2> guess
[04:50] <bob2> hint: linux-source-2.6.12
[04:50] <Octane> <IP_ADDRESS> is not even out, latest is <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:51] <bob2> dude
[04:51] <bob2> - is not .
[04:51] <bob2> important difference
[04:51] <Octane> doh!
[04:51] <adamhill> what does the -8 mean?
[04:51] <madicode> heyas
[04:51] <paulproteus|lapt> adamhill: Debian revision.
[04:51] <paulproteus|lapt> adamhill: Also, hi. :)
[04:51] <paulproteus|lapt> s/Debian/Ubuntu/
[04:51] <adamhill> hey paul
[04:52] <paulproteus|lapt> It's the distributor's revision of the 2.6.12 kernel.
[04:52] <adamhill> are you back in the pancake making business?
[04:52] <vanberge> bob2, quake2-data   :-)
[04:52] <paulproteus|lapt> adamhill: I'm afraid not.  I'm doing more cooking for myself now, though.
[04:52] <madicode> anyone having trouble with the screensaver sice the updates of breezy last night?  The screensaver prefs don't load, and if you run the screensaver it shuts down gnome and reruns gdm?
[04:52] <paulproteus|lapt> adamhill: No longer in dorms (no on-campus housing here at JHU for juniors or seniors).
[04:53] <adamhill> ah
[04:53] <communico> bob2: thanks, that was helpful
[04:53] <adamhill> thanks bob2
[04:54] <Octane> bob2 is the man
[04:54] <intelikey>
[04:54] <vanberge> apparently i am missing something... the package "quake2-data" just installed a doc saying "install by cd or downloading shareware files"
[04:55] <war-totem> whoever was helping me with my network problem: on a whim i checked networks, and theres my winxp pc
[04:55] <war-totem> god i love ubuntu
[04:56] <Octane> has anyone else's nvidia drivers failed after a breezy install?
[04:56] <bob2> communico: are you being sarcastic? my point was that it's only software raid, so you might as well use the linux stuff.
[04:57] <madicode> i put breezy on fresh, and using the official nvidia drivers fine..
[04:57] <madicode> had to fiddle a little to get it to work but.
[04:57] <derreck> I couldn't get dual monitors going.
[04:58] <klex> i have a hp vectra computer with an azt1008 isapnp souncard. After mdprobe snd-azt2320, dmesg gives me this message, devfs_mk_dev: could not append to parent for sound/audio, what do it mean?
[04:58] <vanberge> would anybody be able to shed some light on how to install quake 2 data files?  i seem to be at a stuck point
[04:58] <derreck> But the driver itself installed and ran fine.
[04:58] <Octane> madicode: interesting, thanks
[04:58] <jhenn> i saved some stuff to my desktop (gnome) and its not showing up there anyone know why?
[04:58] <adamhill> yeah, breezy + nvidia worked for be OOTB but it wont come back from a suspend or apci turning off the screen (no clue who's problem it is)
[04:58] <adamhill> *for me
[04:59] <bob2> vanberge: go download them
[04:59] <maze> About switching from games to the desktop .. this utility did the job!!!     gdmflexiserver
[04:59] <bob2> vanberge: or google for "linux quake2 howto" ad bear in mind you already have the software
[04:59] <intelikey> jhenn refresh the desktop ?
[04:59] <jhenn> intelikey: how?
[05:00] <Octane> madicode: did you install breezy and the nvidia drivers didnt work?
[05:00] <bz0b> bob2, you here?
[05:00] <intelikey> right click on it and use the menu maybe ?    jhenn i don't use gnome.
[05:00] <Octane> bob's evil twin?
[05:00] <jhenn> how do u refresh gnome desktop?
[05:00] <bz0b> well, can someone tell me how to install my netgear wg511t
[05:01] <bob2> "refresh"?
[05:01] <jhenn> bob2: i saved stuff to it but its not showing up there
[05:01] <bz0b> hey bob2 do you still know where that atheros guide on ubuntu forums is? the one for install madwifi
[05:01] <madicode> yeah at first.  I then had to install gcc3.4, so I could compile the kernel module to match the kernel (i had gcc4 but kernel was compiled in 3.4)..  Then remove all default nvidia stuff, delete the /etc/rc.?/??.nvidia-glx file, and she worked.
[05:01] <a-l-p-h-a> anyone know how to create a taskbar for each seperate monitor?  Currently all my open apps are on one bar.
[05:01] <madicode> but they are working fine now.
[05:02] <bob2> bz0b: ubuntu ships with madwifi
[05:02] <bz0b> yeah, but i need to update
[05:02] <bz0b> i am still on 5.04
[05:02] <vanberge> bob2, thanks for info... too complicated for me to do tonight... :-/
[05:03] <madicode> everything was working fine, until I did the last lot of breezy updates.  screensaver stuffs it up now.
[05:04] <Octane> bob we're about to see if you were right :)
[05:05] <skpl>  what is wifi
[05:05] <jhenn>  /join #gnome
[05:05] <danl> is there anyway to setup ubuntu or linux in general to be able to access a remote linux machine as if it were a local file system other than nfs?
[05:05] <spstarr> wifi is wireless/wireless devices
[05:06] <bob2> sure, linux does lots of network filesystems
[05:06] <bob2> why not nfs, tho?
[05:06] <adamhill> bob2: what package are modules considered to be in -- linux-image-xxx?
[05:06] <danl> i don't think the server i am connecting to supports it... when i run mount with nfs it just times out forever
[05:07] <bob2> ones that come with the kernel, yes
[05:07] <bob2> danl: you will need root access on the other end if you want to mount filesystems off it
[05:07] <danl> hmm
[05:07] <danl> i see
[05:07] <war-totem> wheres the firewall options in ubuntu?
[05:07] <danl> guess i will just stick with ssh
[05:07] <bob2> there aren't any
[05:07] <bob2> war-totem: what are you trying to do?
[05:07] <adamhill> Octane: i got a **Compiler Error after the MODPROBE step in the install.log, let me know if you get it compiled :)
[05:07] <war-totem> allow azureus to poke through
[05:08] <bob2> war-totem: there isn't a firewall at all by default
[05:08] <war-totem> weird
[05:08] <war-totem> all the ports im testing with azureus are giving NAT error
[05:08] <bob2> perhaps you're behind something else that does NAT?
[05:08] <danl> bob2: thanks for the quick response
[05:08] <war-totem> possible
[05:08] <war-totem> thanks bob2
[05:09] <intelikey> if you want a fire wall you have to load iptables and setup rules or use shorewall or the like.
[05:09] <bob2> danl: there's no reason someone couldn't do a terrible hack that doesn't require root, but I don't know of one
[05:09] <communico> bob2: no sarcasm, it was really helpful ... I'm making a lot of progress now that I have a clearer picture *thumbs up*
[05:09] <war-totem> i dont want a firewall though, just thought their was one automatically
[05:10] <Argetlam> Question Where Do I switch the mouse type from a usb to a ps2 and is it possible to assign different mouse buttons to new functions
[05:10] <bob2> war-totem: there is not
[05:10] <bob2> war-totem: if you're behind a dsl or cable modem, tho, you probably have been nat'd
[05:10] <danl> bob2: well im not gonna mess with it, it's my schools cs departmental server, all cs majors have user accounts i just wanted easier access
[05:10] <bob2> Argetlam: it should be enough to plug in a ps2 mouse
[05:10] <bob2> danl: heh
[05:10] <bur[n] er> !tell kermitjr about java
[05:10] <bob2> danl: if they have sftp access, you can use nautilus to browse it
[05:11] <odatubuntu> anyone have any succcess with getting sound to work with enemy territory?
[05:11] <jhenn> i just tried to open a jpg in vlc and then my screen turned yellow
[05:11] <bob2> danl: hm, and I think sshfs might let you mount things, too
[05:11] <war-totem> why would you do that jhenn?
[05:11] <jhenn> war-totem: just to try it
[05:11] <Argetlam> bob2 thats what I thought but it doesn't respond coorrectly
[05:11] <danl> bob2: thank i'll play with those ideas, if i don't get banned already... was playing with sudo earlier :-
[05:11] <war-totem> oh
[05:11] <danl> :-D
[05:11] <Argetlam> ie moving the mouse does do anything but a left click moves the cursor
[05:11] <war-totem> anyone read comics here?
[05:11] <bob2> Argetlam: perhaps it uses a different protocol; sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org
[05:11] <ksmurf> Have I said today how great linux (Ubuntu) is.  Thanks to all.
[05:12] <Plazma> war-totem, i make my own comics actually - :D
[05:12] <Argetlam> thx
[05:12] <jhenn> war-totem: guess ill just restart x
[05:12] <war-totem> NO WAY?
[05:12] <war-totem> NICE
[05:12] <SuperQ> ksmurf: :)
[05:12] <war-totem> sounds good jhenn
[05:12] <Plazma> war-totem, oh yea nothing that cool or famous, i mean its just a hobby  i do
[05:12] <war-totem> how do you view them Plazma?
[05:12] <Plazma> mines a web comic so, its just an image on photobucket
[05:12] <war-totem> ah
[05:12] <war-totem> link?
[05:12] <Plazma> well ill /msg you the link
[05:12] <war-totem> kk
[05:13] <ksmurf> sorry Q I've been drinking coffee again
[05:13] <Plazma> did you get that war totem?
[05:14] <Plazma> there
[05:14] <Argetlam> I get xserver-org is not installed and no info is avaiable
[05:14] <SuperQ> ksmurf: haha
[05:14] <war-totem> just got it now tz
[05:14] <Plazma> war-totem, tell me what you think
[05:14] <SuperQ> ksmurf: yea...   Thank god I'm not in tech.  This thing is a hobby for me
[05:16] <crimsun> odatubuntu: does an OSS app like mp3blaster work?
[05:17] <ksmurf> I finally have my wacom working perfectly with pressure and buttons
[05:17] <Plazma> war-totem, what do you think?
[05:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> what's a good text-to-speech program for linux?
[05:17] <SuperQ> ksmurf: yea, it's fun tho
[05:17] <odatubuntu> crimsun: yea i just tried an mp3
[05:17] <SuperQ> hrm.. I should go home
[05:17] <SuperQ> enough working for the day
[05:18] <bimberi> BROKEN_LADDER: i've heard of festival but never used it
[05:18] <ksmurf> Q...... I'll say.  Because it's a Hobby I love it.  Doing it for a living would kill my passion about it
[05:18] <carlos_> Xorlev, hi r u here?
[05:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm trying it now..now sound.
[05:18] <Cheetahfoot> how do i change the window manager in gnome to windowmaker?
[05:18] <nalioth> bob2: got a new chair-restraining-device, or are you hot-swapping a drive?
[05:18] <nalioth> Cheetahfoot: first, you need to install windowmaker
[05:18] <odatubuntu> crimsun: whats a good command to kill esd
[05:18] <bob2> nalioth: heh, eating breakfast
[05:18] <bob2> odatubuntu: pkill esd
[05:18] <Cheetahfoot> nalioth: it's installed ...
[05:18] <nalioth> Cheetahfoot: then you'll have a choice in your login menu, under "sessions"
[05:18] <bimberi> breakfast!
[05:18] <bimberi> +10?
[05:19] <odatubuntu> bob2: after i do that i should launch ET within the same terminal?
[05:19] <bob2> odatubuntu: doesn't matter
[05:19] <bob2> bimberi: hm, yeah
[05:19] <odatubuntu> i'll give it a shot
[05:19] <bob2> late breakfast
[05:19] <bimberi> bob2: very :)
[05:19] <danl> bob2: do you know if shfs requires anything server side?
[05:20] <bob2> it counts as breakfast because it invovles double espresso and vegemite toast, tho
[05:20] <bob2> danl: don't think so
[05:20] <bimberi> mmmm vegemite
[05:20] <sig> whats vegemite?
[05:20] <nalioth> vegemite rears its ugly head, once more
[05:20] <danl> ok, i am trying it now... problems connecting i think...
[05:20] <carlos_> anybody help, I'm trying to compile some drivers for a modem but after ./configure when I do make I receive some errors I do not understand
[05:21] <Madpilot> sig: Don't ask, trust me ;)
[05:21] <odatubuntu> bob2: nope nope nope nothing i try works
[05:21] <sig> heh
[05:21] <odatubuntu> oh well
[05:22] <intelikey> carlos_ the configure exits cleanly ?
[05:22] <war-totem> carlos, what are the errors?
[05:22] <sig> anyone have a better solution than mplayer-plugin?
[05:22] <bimberi> sig: we'll let you google for that one, looks like it's a sore point :)
[05:22] <odatubuntu> i get this same fucking error everytime
[05:22] <odatubuntu> /dev/dsp: Input/output error
[05:22] <carlos_> here is my pastebin: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2139  . Yes configure ends right.
[05:22] <odatubuntu> Could not mmap /dev/dsp
[05:22] <nalioth> odatubuntu: vulgar language does nothing to help you
[05:22] <crimsun> odatubuntu: cat /proc/asound/modules
[05:22] <war-totem> plazma you get that>
[05:23] <Plazma> war-totem, no i didnt
[05:23] <odatubuntu> nalioth: sorry been working on it for a while  little frustrated
[05:23] <bob2> crimsun: does odatubuntu have oss working at all?
[05:23] <war-totem> i pm'ed you i think
[05:23] <Argetlam> BRB
[05:23] <Plazma> war-totem, i didnt get it
[05:23] <crimsun> bob2: he says he does (I asked him to test mp3blaster)
[05:23] <odatubuntu> bob2: yes i do
[05:24] <bob2> ah
[05:24] <odatubuntu> i set everthing up under oss on the system all other sounds and files work fine
[05:24] <odatubuntu> crimsun this is what i got
[05:24] <odatubuntu> 0 snd_via82xx
[05:24] <bob2> and yo udid the ol' fuser -v /dev/dsp?
[05:24] <odatubuntu> bob2 i'm still really new i don't know anything ol  :)
[05:25] <ksmurf> kde has amarok..... what's the "best" one for gnome?
[05:25] <bob2> I like cplay
[05:25] <carlos_> here is a more complete pastebin: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2141
[05:25] <bob2> muin and quod libet seem popular
[05:25] <odatubuntu> ksmurf personally i like quod libet
[05:25] <Plazma> war-totem, just tell me in the room
[05:26] <odatubuntu> ksmurf  its nice and simple and scans your folder on startup
[05:26] <crimsun> odatubuntu: have you done this? echo "et.x86 0 0 direct" | sudo tee /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss && echo "et.x86 0 0 disable" | sudo tee /proc/asound/card0/pcm0c/oss
[05:26] <odatubuntu> crimsun: nope
[05:26] <danl> bob2: merci... it is running great!
[05:26] <war-totem> how come i cant pm you?
[05:26] <war-totem> what i said was, nice, pirates rock and do you have anymore?
[05:27] <Plazma> war-totem, thanks.. no i have a small portfolio of my hobby artwork i do if you want to see it
[05:27] <carlos_> anybody help please
[05:27] <ksmurf> thanks odatububtu and bob2
[05:27] <war-totem> sure
[05:27] <Plazma> war-totem, i dont think you can pm me, but i can pm you.. jus ta sec
[05:27] <war-totem> why is that?
[05:27] <odatubuntu> crimsun: when i do that in the terminal it leaves me with a less then character
[05:28] <Plazma> war-totem, im not sure, but just respond to the room ok?
[05:28] <war-totem> ok
[05:28] <nalioth> war-totem: you need to register with nickserv if you want to PM folks
[05:28] <war-totem> i have registered
[05:28] <war-totem> a few times now
[05:28] <odatubuntu> then i launched ET and well you guess it   nothing
[05:28] <nalioth> war-totem: you are not identified atm
[05:28] <crimsun> odatubuntu: did you copy and paste exactly?
[05:28] <nalioth> war-totem: which is why you can't msg folks
[05:29] <war-totem> i /msg NICKSERV REGISTER right?
[05:29] <Plazma> shit
[05:29] <nalioth> war-totem: no, you /msg nickserv identify <password>
[05:29] <Plazma> you have to identify with nickserv too
[05:29] <war-totem> everysingle time i log in?
[05:29] <Plazma> yes
[05:29] <nalioth> war-totem: you can have your client do it for you
[05:29] <war-totem> ah
[05:29] <ksmurf> odatubuntu 60 GB to scan
[05:29] <intelikey> carlos_ how old is this package ?     it looks to me like the problem is in the way gcc handles the code.   like it was written for a very earily gcc maybe.      any chance of finding a newer package ?
[05:29] <Plazma> thast true
[05:29] <odatubuntu> crimsun: yea just tried it again and after i hit enter i'm brought to the less than character
[05:29] <war-totem> how do i get xchat to do it?
[05:30] <nalioth> war-totem: in the server properties dialog
[05:30] <Clujo> server list.  edit the irc chat selection, find password, etc
[05:30] <crimsun> odatubuntu: use tee -a instead of tee then
[05:30] <odatubuntu> ksmurf: ahh i was just looking for something that scanned my directory when i added new songs so i didn't have to add them
[05:30] <cafuego> !info kmail breezy
[05:30] <ubotu> kmail: (KDE Email client), section mail, is optional. Version: 4:3.4.2-0ubuntu2 (breezy), Packaged size: 1905 kB, Installed size: 6188 kB
[05:30] <carlos_> no chance, :( in fact it was very difficult to find that package
[05:30] <fusion2ndpc> :>
[05:31] <war-totem> got it thanks
[05:31] <ksmurf> odatubuntu .... That's what  I want
[05:31] <war-totem> nice work plazma
[05:31] <fusion2ndpc> is there an easy way to get to a command line run level?
[05:31] <fusion2ndpc> without having to totally create it :\
[05:31] <Plazma> war-totem, think so? its not the best.. im just kinda starting out.. its fun and a small hobby i do
[05:31] <fusion2ndpc> or can I shut down X somehow ?
[05:31] <war-totem> no, its great to have a creative hobby
[05:31] <Plazma> a friend wanted me to continue.. so i came up with the pirate comic.. and now ive gotten a lot of minor fanbase (mostly friends, online friends and stuff)
[05:31] <odatubuntu> ksmurf:  well it does my directory really quick and its the only one i found that will do that
[05:31] <bob2> fusion2ndpc: why?
[05:31] <Plazma> and i submittied it to the on campus min paper they do
[05:31] <war-totem> sweet
[05:31] <war-totem> thats how its done
[05:32] <fusion2ndpc> bob2 to install the latest nvidia drivers
[05:32] <Plazma> and now all of a sudden im doing it for that paper lol
[05:32] <bob2> fusion2ndpc: if it's to install nvidia drivers, you don't need to
[05:32] <bob2> ha ha ha
[05:32] <war-totem> what you taking at school?
[05:32] <bob2> fusion2ndpc: sudo invoke-rc.d gdm stop
[05:32] <Plazma> mostly cisco and networkign stuff..
[05:32] <odatubuntu> crimsun i put in the command you gave me tee -a    wherever just tee was and it did the same thing
[05:32] <ksmurf> odatubuntu .... 6000 songs added so far
[05:32] <Plazma> 22 weeks and im done with my BAS
[05:32] <war-totem> ah
[05:32] <Xorlev> fusion2ndpc: Ctrl + Alt + F1
[05:32] <intelikey> carlos_ well the question is not ubuntu specific it is a compile error.   you might have someone in #linuxhelp  or #c++   or someplace have a look at the error.
[05:32] <war-totem> sweet
[05:32] <fusion2ndpc> yeah that drops me to console
[05:32] <fusion2ndpc> I'm there already
[05:32] <fusion2ndpc> but xserver is still running
[05:32] <war-totem> so you dont read .cbz and .cbr comics then?
[05:32] <odatubuntu> ksmurf: i would give that music player a shot if thats a feature you really want
[05:32] <Xorlev> fusion2ndpc: Kill X? killall xorg? /etc/init.d/gdm stop? etc.
[05:33] <fusion2ndpc> bob2 I can get the nvidia drivers installed using synaptic, thats what I did, but I Think tehy are odler
[05:33] <ksmurf> I am right now.....
[05:33] <fusion2ndpc> bleh typos sorry
[05:33] <Plazma> war-totem, acutally i dont read a lot thats non technical, i just like to draw and stuff.. if i did id try to help you but i cant
[05:33] <carlos_> thanks intelikey
[05:33] <war-totem> np
[05:33] <war-totem> the hunt continues...
[05:33] <bob2> fusion2ndpc: yes, they're slightly older; did they not work for you?
[05:33] <crimsun> odatubuntu: make sure you use tab completion on the /proc/asound files
[05:33] <nalioth> war-totem: you want a cbr viewer?
[05:33] <crimsun> fusion2ndpc: man runlevel
[05:33] <war-totem> yes i do
[05:33] <odatubuntu> crimsun: ok that is over my head
[05:34] <war-totem> ive got tons of comics that need reading
[05:34] <crimsun> fusion2ndpc: although you shouldn't be concerned with that
[05:34] <Plazma> war-totem, yea comic book store owners dont take bathes apparently aroun dhere.. there place smells like BO and toilets
[05:35] <chavo> carlos_, that driver won't compile with 2,6,x kernels
[05:36] <chavo> carlos_, have you tried slmodem?
[05:36] <help> hi
[05:36] <fusion2ndpc> hrm
[05:36] <help> i need your help
[05:36] <fusion2ndpc> bob2 I got some error message anyways, about my kernel source not being available
[05:36] <fusion2ndpc> :\
[05:37] <carlos_> no chavo
[05:37] <bob2> fusion2ndpc: sudo aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[05:37] <carlos_> slmodem is a command?
[05:37] <fusion2ndpc> o.O
[05:37] <bob2> I hope these drivers make your desktop fly, tho
[05:37] <chavo> carlos_, it's a modem driver that may work
[05:37] <k-0tik> how is breezy badger for those who've tryed it?
[05:37] <nalioth> k-0tik: rough at this time
[05:37] <carlos_> I can get it in apt?
[05:38] <help> thre was the problem of my ubuntu gaim internet messenger that there was no webcam desplay i need to know whre to find thanks
[05:38] <fusion2ndpc> bob2 LOL
[05:38] <k-0tik> nalioth oh really? umm i was thinking about tyrying it
[05:38] <help> plz help
[05:38] <fusion2ndpc> bob2 I don't think it will make much of a difference.  I' tell you one thing tho, it seems all laggy
[05:38] <chavo> carlos_, yes get slmodem and sl-modem-modules
[05:38] <nalioth> k-0tik: it's rough, enjoy
[05:38] <fusion2ndpc> bob2 its like sluggish or something, draws slowly
[05:38] <carlos_> ok chavo, gracias
[05:39] <k-0tik> nalioth i hope it gets better by the time it's released next month
[05:39] <help> help
[05:39] <war-totem> hah plazma
[05:39] <Clujo> k-0tik, Ive experienced no problems at all.   Use rsync and desktop sharing, thats it so far.
[05:39] <nalioth> k-0tik: it'll be wonderful by that time
[05:39] <chavo> carlos_, it should set everything up for you
[05:39] <odatubuntu> crimsun: what did you mean by that?
[05:39] <k-0tik> i can't wait
[05:39] <fusion2ndpc> bob2 got another error, couldn't load nvidia.ko module haha
[05:39] <fusion2ndpc> :(
[05:39] <help> there was a device that can ranthe web cam
[05:40] <bob2> fusion2ndpc: there you go then
[05:40] <help> plz help
[05:40] <crimsun> odatubuntu: the /proc/asound/... can be confirmed by using tab completion (press tab)
[05:40] <fusion2ndpc> 'eh?
[05:40] <k-0tik> help, idunno, check gaim see if its supported, see if you can get drivvers or if its needed
[05:40] <carlos_> chavo, lets see
[05:40] <Clujo> help, did you check the ubuntu forums?
[05:40] <chavo> fusion2ndpc, is the old module still loaded?
[05:40] <fusion2ndpc> oh probably
[05:41] <chavo> I did that too
[05:41] <fusion2ndpc> heh
[05:41] <fusion2ndpc> you know the command to unload/reload
[05:41] <help> how can find the forums
[05:41] <fusion2ndpc> ?
[05:41] <chavo> rmmod nvidia
[05:41] <fusion2ndpc> www.ubuntuforms.org?
[05:42] <chavo> then modprobe nvidia to load
[05:42] <fusion2ndpc> muahah
[05:42] <fusion2ndpc> startx
[05:42] <fusion2ndpc> boom
[05:43] <odatubuntu> crimsun: ok i enter the command you gave me then pressed tab and i got a couple of rows of directories
[05:43] <fusion2ndpc> heh
[05:43] <fusion2ndpc> its still all shitty
[05:43] <fusion2ndpc> it looks good, the windows drag around ok, but like if I resize them
[05:44] <fusion2ndpc> dear god, its all choppy
[05:44] <help> i try
[05:44] <help> thanks
[05:45] <odatubuntu> crimsun: did that make any sense?
[05:45] <chavo> fusion2ndpc, did you enable RenderAccel ?
[05:46] <JairunCaloth> I'm not sure how I fixed it... but whatever I did, it worked
[05:46] <bimberi> JairunCaloth: was wondering if you'd ever come back :)
[05:47] <JairunCaloth> :) got frusterated, had to walk a way for a bit
[05:47] <bimberi> i should have warned you how many questions it asks :)
[05:47] <JairunCaloth> I've run that before
[05:47] <JairunCaloth> it didn't help
[05:48] <bimberi> ah, k, what did?
[05:48] <bimberi> er, sorry "i'm not sure"
[05:48] <help> yes
[05:49] <help> there was another way of that
[05:49] <JairunCaloth> well, I was in the shell, and I was going to switch to a backup file on my xorg.conf file, but it wouldn't let me rename the .backup file to the xorg.conf file. Then I deleted the xorg.conf file
[05:49] <JairunCaloth> it still wouldn't let me rename the .backup file though
[05:49] <socrates32> hi
[05:49] <JairunCaloth> I typed ls and then I noticed this was the directory gdm was in, I ran gdm and here I am
[05:50] <pr1r> hey all
[05:50] <JairunCaloth> can X run in runlevel 2?
[05:50] <JairunCaloth> because I suspect I'm still there
[05:51] <bob2> of course
[05:51] <bimberi> JairunCaloth: runlevels 2-5 are the same in ubuntu
[05:51] <bob2> gdm runs in runlevels 2-5 in Ubuntu
[05:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> i just compressed a text2speech file of 6 MB to 4 KB with speex and it sounds virtually identical to the original.
[05:51] <JairunCaloth> how can I tell what runlevel I'm in?
[05:52] <bimberi> JairunCaloth: "runlevel" in a term (2nd figure)
[05:52] <JairunCaloth> unknown
[05:53] <bob2> JairunCaloth: then you're in 2
[05:53] <help> how can we find gnomemeeting help me
[05:53] <JairunCaloth> so something in a higher runlevel is what is makeing X mess up?
[05:53] <help> thanks for your suppurt
[05:53] <benplaut> !gnomemeeting
[05:53] <ubotu> benplaut: I don't know, could you explain it?
[05:53] <benplaut> grr
[05:54] <fusion2ndpc> hrm
[05:54] <fusion2ndpc> I dunno if render accel is turned on or not
[05:54] <fusion2ndpc> I'll check xorg.conf
[05:54] <socrates32> can anyone help me get my usb mic working?
[05:55] <bob2> JairunCaloth: in what was is X "messed up"?
[05:55] <fusion2ndpc> option render accel true?
[05:55] <fusion2ndpc> basically
[05:55] <bob2> JairunCaloth: and X running or not will make no difference at all to whether you can rename a file or not
[05:56] <JairunCaloth> On a normal boot X won't start, When it asks if I want to view the debuging info the entire system locks up. I can't get past that screen, and I can't even switch terminals
[05:57] <fusion2ndpc> hrm
[05:57] <fusion2ndpc> I guess i need to reboot it
[05:57] <bob2> JairunCaloth: how did you manage that?
[05:57] <fusion2ndpc> shall try
[05:57] <JairunCaloth> I updated
[05:57] <Octane> is there a way to downgrade back to hoary
[05:57] <bob2> by deleting the X config?
[05:57] <bob2> Octane: no
[05:57] <geirix> has anybody tryed out edubuntu?
[05:57] <nalioth> Octane: why do you ask?
[05:57] <JairunCaloth> no, I was trying to use a backup xconfig when that happened.
[05:57] <adamhill> Octane: no sk98lin love? :)
[05:57] <Octane> lol
[05:58] <Octane> nalioth: because breezy aint working for me
[05:58] <nalioth> Octane: patience. it will
[05:58] <stickyboot> so uh, this is my first time running linux
[05:58] <Octane> when will i learn that bleeding edge linux is not a good idea, when
[05:58] <nalioth> stickyboot: welcome!
[05:58] <stickyboot> off the ubuntu live cd ^_^
[05:58] <JairunCaloth> I still don't have an xconfig file
[05:58] <kevogod> stickyboot, Good luck. :-)
[05:59] <stickyboot> hehe, is kinda cool
[05:59] <drapelyk> linux is great, especially the server
[05:59] <adamhill> i have all the pieces, but I get a really unhelpful ***Compiler error
[05:59] <kevogod> I use it religiously now.
[05:59] <nalioth> Octane: it will update itself and be fixed
[05:59] <Octane> nalioth: okay ill just sit and wait :)
[05:59] <Octane> in a terminal
[05:59] <kevogod> I am thinking about starting a Linux religion. Any takers?
[05:59] <adamhill> I have even symlinked a few different versions of gcc to 'gcc'
[05:59] <nalioth> Octane: while you wait, update
[05:59] <JaZy84> hey guys i need to enable some stuff in the kernel. can i just make the changes i need and not worry about anything else. or will i have to reset everything.. i'm getting the source and headers right meow
[05:59] <regeya> CONGRABULATION
[05:59] <JairunCaloth> now it let me rename the .backup file
[05:59] <nalioth> Octane: you are not limited by the terminal
[05:59] <kevogod> We must worship the Penguin.
[05:59] <Octane> im updating every second to see if someting will start working
[06:00] <stickyboot> So, is Fedora much different thean Ubuntu?
[06:00] <stickyboot> i was going to try that out next
[06:00] <kevogod> stickyboot, Fedora is slow and bloated if that is what you mean.
[06:00] <stickyboot> never tried it
[06:00] <IcemanV9> kevogod: you just violated the 1st commandant :P
[06:00] <drapelyk> Why isn't mplayer steaming content very well?
[06:00] <geekchic9> Fedora uses rpms instead of deb files.
[06:00] <Quinthius> stickyboot: probably... completely different package system, different goals as far as target audience..
[06:00] <stickyboot> but i have the ISO just sitting there
[06:00] <kevogod> IcemanV9, Nah, Distributions are only the churches.
[06:01] <kevogod> IcemanV9, I belong to the Ubuntu church.
[06:01] <stickyboot> heheh
[06:01] <IcemanV9> :)
[06:01] <benplaut> kevogod, Ubuntu !s f0 t3h 1337
[06:01] <Octane> has anyone here gotten the sk98lin module to work in breezy?
[06:01] <drapelyk> Why isn't mplayer steaming content very well? anyone have better luck?
[06:01] <benplaut> j/k :P
[06:01] <stickyboot> right now im just trying a few different distros out
[06:01] <stickyboot> seeing wich ones i like
[06:01] <benplaut> ahhhhhhhhhh
[06:01] <benplaut> no wonder!
[06:02] <benplaut> my .trash folder on my jumpdrive was taking 100mb :P
[06:02] <IcemanV9> drapelyk: you're on dial-up? ;)
[06:02] <drapelyk> haha, nope, i'm on 3mbit+ Cable
[06:02] <stickyboot> umm... just a quick noob question.  How do i mount my HDs in the Live CD?
[06:02] <nalioth> stickyboot: it's gonna take more than a few days to figure that one out
[06:02] <stickyboot> eh?
[06:03] <stickyboot> is that not done easily?
[06:03] <IcemanV9> if that's the case, it should be running smooth as silk!
[06:03] <nalioth> stickyboot: each distro is different. you'll need to use one for a while and see how linux is
[06:03] <stickyboot> yeah, i geuss
[06:04] <JairunCaloth> my video hardware acceleration isn't working
[06:04] <stickyboot> i need to be a little more bold and stop just using the live CDs
[06:04] <benplaut> yup
[06:04] <benplaut> precisely :P
[06:04] <benplaut> !mount
[06:04] <ubotu> well, mount is the command to add partitions to your filesystem. For mounting windows partitions, see !windowsdrives
[06:05] <stickyboot> ok
[06:05] <stickyboot> umm
[06:05] <stickyboot> ill try that
[06:06] <ksmurf> is there a way to make an mp3 disk that will play in a car stereo that supports mp3's?
[06:06] <geekchic9> !windowsdrives
[06:06] <ubotu> windowsdrives is, like, Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows partions mount automatically
[06:06] <benplaut> ksmurf, put the mp3s on like you would regular files
[06:06] <ksmurf> benplaut like a data disk?
[06:06] <stickyboot> ubotu, ill try that
[06:06] <ubotu> stickyboot: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[06:07] <nalioth> ksmurf: read your documentation, some players have directory issues
[06:07] <benplaut> ksmurf, AFAIK, yes
[06:07] <stickyboot> eh?
[06:07] <ksmurf> nalioth.... np I am dropping them all in one dir
[06:07] <stickyboot> oh yeah duh woops
[06:07] <ksmurf> thanks
[06:07] <stickyboot> wasnt watchin the names >_<
[06:07] <nalioth> ksmurf: check you docs, some of the dumb players want them under the /
[06:08] <Carpe_Libertatem> !tell me about windowsdrives
[06:10] <f_newton> !backport
[06:10] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, backport is see !backports
[06:10] <f_newton> yo concept10
[06:10] <pawntofour> hi everyone
[06:10] <pawntofour> how to install a cam in ubuntu
[06:11] <Carpe_Libertatem> Is there a way I can rename the mounted partitions on my desktop?
[06:11] <f_newton> !backports
[06:11] <ubotu> Add "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted" to /etc/apt/sources.list.  More info @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[06:11] <pawntofour> help
[06:11] <pr1r> i have a question
[06:11] <bob2> pawntofour: no need to be annoying
[06:11] <pr1r> my i shuffle
[06:11] <pr1r> recognized by ubuntu
[06:11] <bob2> pawntofour: you'd need to explain what sort of camera it is before anyone can help you
[06:11] <pr1r> now how do i go about getting songs on it
[06:11] <pr1r> ???
[06:11] <pawntofour> ok.
[06:11] <pr1r> ty in advance
[06:11] <pawntofour> im using a genius web cam.
[06:12] <pawntofour> how to install a driver.
[06:13] <pawntofour> or is it auto detect driver for my cam?
[06:13] <pawntofour> how do i know it is already installed
[06:13] <klex> pawntofour, lsusb?
[06:14] <pawntofour> what do u mean/
[06:14] <f_newton> ! extras
[06:14] <pawntofour> is it a command line?
[06:14] <ubotu> rumour has it, extras is For extra repositories, check out http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[06:14] <f_newton> dang
[06:14] <f_newton> !extras
[06:14] <ubotu> well, extras is For extra repositories, check out http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[06:15] <nalioth> f_newton: what are you on about?
[06:15] <npfet> has anyone here played with texmacs?
[06:16] <klex> how do i start a module every time the computer boots automaticily?
[06:16] <Madpilot> well, that's cool - ET's sound works without me having to fiddle with it
[06:16] <concept10> f_newton: hey, how is it going? havent seen you in awhile.
[06:16] <pr1r> anyone know how i can get songs on ipod?
[06:16] <Carpe_Libertatem> pr1r, use gtkpod
[06:17] <pr1r> tyty
[06:17] <Carpe_Libertatem> Does anyone have a sources.list they can share for me - I need to have all repositories available. I don't think the one on Ubuntuguide.org would work for Breezy.
[06:17] <communico> hey, I've got a raid working, but there's just one problem. I have to manually mount it every time I reboot by going into root terminal and typing mount /dev/sd0 /raid. any ideas about what file I shoot edit so it does this automatically?
[06:17] <pr1r> doesnt matter that its a shuffle does it?
[06:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> i just bought on of these
[06:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> http://reviews.cnet.com/Cowon_iAudio_U2__1GB__Platinum_Black_/4505-6490_7-31129769.html?tag=tab
[06:18] <pr1r> i hate apple so i dont know much about it
[06:18] <Madpilot> !tell Carpe_Libertatem about sources
[06:18] <bob2> Carpe_Libertatem: er, the default is fine
[06:18] <f_newton> concept10, no I was robbed at gunpoint outside the panera,,, the little bleep took my laptop as well as other  things
[06:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'd by the ipod nano..if it supported vorbis.
[06:18] <bob2> Carpe_Libertatem: adding random other sources is a recipe for disaster
[06:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> screw 'em.
[06:18] <pr1r> lol
[06:18] <geirix> somebody got raid working on ubuntu?
[06:18] <maze> carl4: foresigh linux is very good and has gnome 2.12 if you are looking for an alternative
[06:18] <bob2> communico: /etc/fstab
[06:18] <bob2> geirix: lots of people do
[06:18] <bob2> geirix: or are yo utalking about software raid?
[06:18] <geirix> bob2: software
[06:19] <holycow> i looooove the splash screen.  it's funy how it seems to make the time go faster during boot
[06:19] <geirix> bob2: have been trying and it doesn't seem to work
[06:19] <concept10> f_newton: seriously?
[06:19] <BlueEagle> communico: Are you mounting /dev/sd* for raid? I thought raid was /dev/md*
[06:19] <f_newton> lol why does everyone ask that?
[06:20] <f_newton> like I would lie about a thing like that
[06:20] <f_newton> lol
[06:20] <concept10> heh
[06:20] <f_newton> yes... really  seriously...
[06:20] <communico> BlueEagle: ah yes, typo, sorry
[06:20] <BlueEagle> communico: ;D
[06:20] <f_newton> I was robbed and carjacked... but my crappy car quit on em a half a block down the road
[06:20] <communico> geirix: how many harddrives are you trying to put in the raid?
[06:20] <geirix> 2 drives
[06:20] <f_newton> so they left it but took everything
[06:20] <BlueEagle> communico: But bob2 was absolutely right about the file needing to be edited being /etc/fstab
[06:21] <concept10> I thought you might have been helping the 'refugees' or something
[06:21] <f_newton> lol yeah more like they wuz helpin themselves
[06:21] <concept10> lmao
[06:21] <BlueEagle> geirix: Did you compile raid support into the kernel or as modules? Did you remember raidstart?
[06:21] <bob2> it's funny how people are so unwilling to use the term "refugee" there
[06:21] <geirix> yes
[06:21] <f_newton> I just put this quad xeon together so that I could check my email
[06:21] <BlueEagle> geirix: Did you set the partition types as raid?
[06:21] <geirix> yes
[06:22] <geirix> everything by the book
[06:22] <communico> bob2: BlueEagle: I added "/dev/md0 /raid ext3 defaults	0 1" to fstab. do you think that should do it?
[06:22] <concept10> holycow: are you talking about the breezy live cd?
[06:22] <geirix> just won't work
[06:22] <BlueEagle> geirix: How does your /etc/raidtab look?
[06:22] <f_newton> its the only server I ave up so far
[06:22] <Carpe_Libertatem> bob2, when I try to install w32codecs, I get: Package w32codecs is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[06:22] <Carpe_Libertatem> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[06:22] <Carpe_Libertatem> is only available from another source
[06:22] <Carpe_Libertatem> oops
[06:22] <bob2> communico: if those are the write values, yes
[06:22] <concept10> bob2: I just cant spell evacuee
[06:22] <bob2> Carpe_Libertatem: yes, of course, it's not in ubuntu and never will be
[06:22] <bob2> Carpe_Libertatem: just download it and install it with dpkg
[06:22] <ds[de] > just a quick question, is it possible to run quake 3 under ubuntu?
[06:23] <BlueEagle> communico: Might want to check raid at every boot so defaults 1 1 would probably be better.
[06:23] <Octane> what package contains nvidia drivers?
[06:23] <Madpilot> Carpe_Libertatem: w32codecs are in hoary-extras repo
[06:23] <[Chameleon] > What happened to /etc/modules.conf in Breezy?
[06:23] <Carpe_Libertatem> maddler, is there a breezy-extras?
[06:23] <bob2> ds[de] : sure
[06:23] <BlueEagle> octane: nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-common
[06:23] <communico> thanks guys, I'm going to go reboot ...
[06:23] <thoreauputic> !tell Carpe_Libertatem about codecs
[06:23] <Carpe_Libertatem> err
[06:23] <bob2> Octane: linux-restricted-modules
[06:23] <nalioth> Carpe_Libertatem: not yet
[06:23] <BlueEagle> octane: hint: apt-cache search nvidia
[06:23] <ds[de] > bob2: great, any idea where to get more informations on that subject?
[06:23] <luckyaba> anyone know how to sign jar files?
[06:24] <BlueEagle> luckyaba: print them out on paper and using a pen? :p
[06:24] <[Chameleon] > !breezy modules
[06:24] <ubotu> [Chameleon] : I give up, what is it?
[06:24] <IcemanV9> will wifi-manager (or similiar ap)  be in the next release (Breezy)??
[06:24] <bob2> ds[de] : ID?
[06:24] <[Chameleon] > !modules
[06:24] <ubotu> [Chameleon] : Did you get hit by a windmill?
[06:24] <luckyaba> BlueEagle: god i wish it was that easy
[06:24] <IcemanV9> */ap/app
[06:24] <bob2> IcemanV9: networkmanager is in breezy
[06:24] <BlueEagle> luckyaba: :)
[06:24] <stickyboot> ok, one more noob question
[06:24] <IcemanV9> c00li0. :)
[06:24] <ds[de] > bob2: lol well, probably a good idea I'll check it out tnx :)
[06:25] <stickyboot> what are some other popular well developed distros besides fedora and ubuntu?
[06:25] <bob2> stickyboot: Debian
[06:25] <stickyboot> oh yeah
[06:25] <bob2> stickyboot: not for the faint hearted or unwilling to learn, tho
[06:25] <stickyboot> that one is tough?
[06:25] <BlueEagle> stickyboot: Mandriva and Linspire have come a long way too.
[06:26] <stickyboot> ok cool, ill look at those
[06:26] <stickyboot> any others?
[06:26] <nalioth> stickyboot: libranet
[06:26] <BlueEagle> stickyboot: Then you've got gentoo which has got support almost as good as ubuntu. :p
[06:26] <thoreauputic> stickyboot: some people have had good luck with mepis, I believe
[06:26] <bob2> libranet appears to be unmaintained
[06:27] <bob2> mepis appears to have poor support
[06:27] <BlueEagle> Well, I'm calling it the night. Be sure to tip your waitress.
[06:27] <f_newton> bob2, I was not really impressed with mepis due to its total immersion in kde
[06:27] <thoreauputic> bob2: I believe the founder of libranet died recently ...
[06:27] <stickyboot> a few sources said that Ubuntu was one of the better ones to learn on, although i have no way to verify this
[06:28] <bob2> stickyboot: that's true
[06:29] <f_newton> stickyboot, ubuntu is really a pretty good distro
[06:29] <concept10> stickyboot: you may learn on any distro, ubuntu has good resources for you to do so
[06:29] <luckyaba> ery true
[06:29] <luckyaba> very true
[06:29] <stickyboot> cool
[06:29] <stickyboot> i actually did try fedora out first on my thinkpad, but the sound didnt work
[06:29] <stickyboot> so i gave up
[06:29] <stickyboot> and moved to ubuntu
[06:29] <ben__> can anybody help me dual boot between ubuntu on an IDE and windows on an SATA?
[06:30] <Octane> i cant even friggin paste, troubleshooting this crap is such a bitch
[06:30] <ben__> using grub...
[06:32] <stickyboot> ok, well, im going to get this other computer back together so i can actually do a real install :p
[06:32] <stickyboot> later
[06:33] <Octane> anyone here having problems with breezy and nvidia drivers?
[06:33] <volvoguy> Octane, i had to use nvidia's installer on breezy.
[06:33] <benplaut> Octane, i wouldn't doubt if close to everyne did :P
[06:34] <hello1123> does anybody know how i can get my broadcom 4306 wireless card working ?
[06:34] <Octane> why is it that i read about problems people had AFTER i take the same steps they did :)
[06:34] <Octane> volvoguy: you recompiled your kernel with gcc 3.3?
[06:34] <concept10> hello1123: use ndiswrapper with your windows driver
[06:34] <ubuntu> I'm running ubuntu from live cd.  anyone know if I can access my hard drive from it?
[06:35] <volvoguy> Octane, no... you just have to use a specific gcc version for compiling the driver (or interface or whatever it is)
[06:35] <bz0b> ubuntu, yes, you just mount it
[06:35] <ubuntu> sorry, I am new to this. How do you do that?
[06:35] <Octane> volvoguy: can you be more specific?
[06:36] <volvoguy> Octane, hmm.... maybe.... it was one of those late night, half asleep kinda things. :) gimme a minute.
[06:36] <nalioth> volvoguy: i see you've survived your breezination
[06:36] <bz0b> for example, do this, mkdir /mnt/hd && mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hd && cd /mnt/hd
[06:36] <asdx> where the ubuntu people takes the money for making and shipping cd's, etc?
[06:36] <ubuntu> I'll try it. thanks
[06:37] <avi> Howdy!  Just installed Ubuntu on my HP laptop (pavilion zt1000), and I'm trying to install a package to enable the 'hotkey' buttons on the top of the keyboard...
[06:37] <volvoguy> nalioth, yep! installed fine. i'm hoping to pick up a usb wireless thingie this week.
[06:37] <bob2> asdx: services
[06:37] <bz0b> volvoguy, NOOOOOOOO!
[06:37] <nalioth> volvoguy: keep me advised as to what you find (and if it works) please
[06:37] <drapelyk> avi... bleh
[06:37] <Quinthius> asdx: the founder of ubuntu is like a multimillionaire or something, and i'm sure they have donations and such too
[06:37] <drapelyk> lol
[06:37] <avi> ... the instructions tell me to make install, but I'm not having any luck with that.
[06:37] <asdx> bob2: services?
[06:37] <volvoguy> bz0b, ?
[06:37] <bob2> Quinthius: more than that
[06:37] <bz0b> volvoguy, don't get usb wifi
[06:37] <asdx> I see
[06:37] <drapelyk> avi "sudo make install
[06:37] <bz0b> volvoguy, it sucks! hard core~!
[06:37] <volvoguy> bz0b, what do you suggest?
[06:37] <bob2> Quinthius: and donations only go towards ubuntu itself (ie bounties)
[06:37] <avi> from the terminal prompt?
[06:37] <drapelyk> yeah
[06:37] <Quinthius> bob2: what other sources of funds are there?
[06:38] <bz0b> volvoguy, get a netgear wg511t
[06:38] <bob2> asdx: like support and customisations and stuff
[06:38] <bob2> Quinthius: ^^
[06:38] <asdx> cool
[06:38] <drapelyk> avi I think anyway
[06:38] <avi> I did that: got -- sudo: make: command not found.
[06:38] <bz0b> volvoguy, very compatible, and good if you want to aircrack too
[06:38] <volvoguy> bz0b, and that'll plug into my ibook? :-P
[06:38] <nalioth> bz0b: what would you prefer one to use, if they dont have pcmica slot?
[06:38] <bob2> avi: sudo aptitude install build-essential
[06:38] <drapelyk> avi hmm... lol I suck thanks bob2
[06:38] <avi> thanks, bob2, I'll try that.
[06:39] <volvoguy> the dlink dwl-122 (or something like that) seems to be the popular choice.
[06:39] <Quinthius> bob2: i meant that out of real curiousity btw :) how are all the costs covered aside from shuttleworth and donations?
[06:39] <bz0b> volvoguy, nalioth, then get internal wireless!
[06:39] <Octane> volvoguy: mind telling me how you got nvidia to work?
[06:39] <bz0b> like minipci
[06:39] <bz0b> if that isnt an option, then i guess usb as last resort
[06:39] <avi> oh duh... I can't believe I tried to make without gcc... LOL
[06:39] <bz0b> can you not get the apple wifi card working on ubuntu
[06:39] <nalioth> bz0b: are you familiar with ibooks?
[06:39] <volvoguy> bz0b, internal wireless doesn't have linux support.
[06:39] <bz0b> nalioth, nope
[06:39] <volvoguy> Octane, i'm working on it. i promise. :)
[06:39] <bob2> Quinthius: from services stuff; I don't know how much of what I've heard is confidential,s o I can't say anymore, sorry
[06:40] <nalioth> bz0b: the chip in the new ibooks is not usable under linux
[06:40] <bz0b> volvoguy, my friends dell latitude d600 does
[06:40] <avi> I'm surprised it wasn't already installed on the basic install.
[06:40] <Octane> volvoguy: thanks man
[06:40] <bz0b> nalioth, ah, i see
[06:40] <adamhill> Octane: on BreezyI just i typed nvidia into Synaptic and installed the package from there
[06:40] <FlyingSquirrel31> Is gnome 2.12 going to make it into breezy?
[06:40] <nalioth> bz0b: ibook users need a USB dongle
[06:40] <adamhill> *packages
[06:40] <nalioth> FlyingSquirrel31: yes it is
[06:40] <Octane> adamhill: the fact that you were in synaptic shows that you didnt have the nvidia problem im having :)
[06:40] <bz0b> nalioth, ok, well just get a dwl g122 then
[06:40] <Quinthius> bob2: not sure what you mean by services
[06:40] <FlyingSquirrel31> cool, can't wait.
[06:40] <bob2> FlyingSquirrel31: yes, of course
[06:40] <ubuntu> bz0b: would I mount the hard drive from the terminal?
[06:40] <adamhill> oh hold on there
[06:40] <bob2> Quinthius: e.g. people can pay canonical to make a custom version of ubuntu for them
[06:40] <bz0b> ubuntu, yes :P if that isnt too hard now
[06:40] <Quinthius> bob2: ahhh
[06:41] <bob2> Quinthius: or pay to have some particular bug that they really really care about be fixed
[06:41] <avi> do I need to install X11, or should that already be installed?
[06:41] <bob2> Quinthius: or to port it to their brand new type of computer
[06:41] <ubuntu> I'm just getting started with linux, I've no past experience
[06:41] <bob2> avi: awhat are you doing?
[06:41] <bz0b> avi, do you have GUI?
[06:41] <avi> yes
[06:41] <bz0b> then you already have X11
[06:41] <avi> That's what I thought.
[06:41] <ubuntu> I'll play with it. thanks anyway
[06:41] <avi> I just didn't know how to get to the configuration of X11.
[06:41] <bob2> avi: what are you compiling?
[06:42] <volvoguy> Octane, i think this is it.... before you run the installer, do a "CC=gcc-3.4" and then "export CC".
[06:42] <avi> since when I was looking up how to tailor Ubuntu to my laptop, the page suggested a bunch of different modifications...
[06:42] <volvoguy> Octane, i think that's right.
[06:42] <avi> ...X11 being one of them.
[06:42] <bob2> avi: I'd be very very careful reading pages like that
[06:43] <bz0b> yes
[06:43] <laszlo> im trying to do a ./configure but it says i dont have the x includes. What packages do i need?
[06:43] <adamhill> Octane : linux-restricted-modules-2.6.12-8-686,  nvidia-glx-* and (oddly enough - i think this came from an upgrade) xserver-xorg-driver-nv
[06:43] <avi> Well, I take everything I read on the 'net with a grain (or two or three) of salt... ;)
[06:43] <avi> Still, I'd like to be able to get the extra buttons working at the very least.
[06:44] <Octane> volvoguy: thanks man
[06:44] <nalioth> laszlo: install "xlibs-dev"
[06:44] <volvoguy> Octane, anytime. :)
[06:44] <thoreauputic> laszlo: probably xlibs-dev
[06:44] <avi> Also, does Ubuntu or GNU/Linux support Hibernation on laptops, or is that strictly a Microsoft thingie?
[06:44] <Octane> volvoguy: which source did you get?
[06:44] <thoreauputic> nalioth: heh
[06:44] <Octane> i have the wrong source
[06:45] <volvoguy> Octane, i have an older card. i needed 7167
[06:45] <whyameye> avi, ubuntu supports Hibernation. It can be iffy apparently on some machines. All I know is that it works perfectly on my HP
[06:45] <Octane> volvoguy: no i mean which linux source did you get
[06:45] <klex> when i log in to gnome my sound get very slow and wierd, what can i do to fix this?
[06:45] <adamhill> avi: yes, but support for given laptop is a highly variable thing
[06:45] <scott1967> hi guys- i've never used linux and my buddy gave me a ubuntu disk, so i loaded it. have no idea how to install a cdburner program or dvd burner program or even where to get one?
[06:46] <volvoguy> Octane, oh.... do a "uname -r" and see what kernel you're running. you have to rebuild the thing every time there's a kernel upgrade.
[06:46] <pajama> should I try a dist-upgrade from Hoary to Breezy, or a fresh install would be better?
[06:46] <nalioth> pajama: the point of debian, is never to have to 'install' the OS again
[06:46] <bob2> scott1967: you already have one
[06:46] <thoreauputic> !tell scott1967 about docs
[06:46] <avi> Yes, that's why I looked up specific instances on the web of people who installed Ubuntu on an HP laptop pavilion zt1000.
[06:46] <bob2> scott1967: insert a blank cd
[06:46] <whyameye> scott1967, I recommend you look in the Synaptic Package Manager for K3b.
[06:46] <Octane> volvoguy: ah crap i forgot i was booted into 2.6.10 brb
[06:46] <nalioth> pajama: a dist-upgrade is the expected path of upgrade
[06:46] <Octane> thanks a millin youve helped a lot
[06:47] <linux-noob> hello people!!
[06:47] <muep> scott1967: why need cd burner if you already have the disk?
[06:47] <avi> Hmmm... okay, gcc is installed, but sudo make install still crapped out.
[06:47] <linux-noob> can somebody pm me, i need to ask something about ubunto installation
[06:47] <scott1967> found k3b, but how do i start it
[06:47] <whyameye> avi,  I use an HP ZT1260. Might be similar? Anyway, ubuntu runs perfectly on it.
[06:47] <nalioth> linux-noob: ask in here
[06:47] <linux-noob> oki
[06:48] <volvoguy> now that i helped someone with compiling something, can someone tell me if there's a non-ubuntu dev channel somewhere that can help with general compiling problems?
[06:48] <linux-noob> if i install the ubunto, what will happen to windows xp currently installed on it?
[06:48] <nalioth> scott1967: applications > run application > k3b <enter>
[06:48] <whyameye> scott1967, you already installed k3b? Then type 'k3b' in a terminal window.
[06:48] <bob2> volvoguy: here
[06:48] <nalioth> volvoguy: sure thing
[06:48] <volvoguy> ok. you guys asked for it. :)
[06:49] <bob2> laszlo: what are you trying to compile?
[06:49] <volvoguy> nalioth, i'm on my intel box atm.
[06:49] <muep> linux-noob: you need to make a partition or two for linux
[06:49] <avi> whyameye: yes, but can you use your extra buttons?
[06:49] <laszlo> i think i got it
[06:49] <laszlo> svn of amarok
[06:49] <volvoguy> nalioth, yeah... just lots to type. one sec.
[06:49] <pajama> nalioth: thanks
[06:49] <ksmurf> I couldn't get gnomebaker to work but k3b will.... Do permissions have something to do with it?
[06:49] <linux-noob> so i have to reformat the harddisk again???
[06:50] <laszlo> on a fresh breezy install with no dev packages
[06:50] <muep> linux-noob: yes, at least partially
[06:50] <bob2> laszlo: sudo apt-get build-dep amarok
[06:50] <bob2> laszlo: sudo aptitude install build-essential
[06:50] <bob2> laszlo: all done
[06:50] <whyameye> avi, the extra buttons don't work. I know there are apps to make them work, but I haven't looked into it.
[06:50] <bob2> laszlo: well, all ready to compile it, anyway
[06:50] <volvoguy> there's this glove, designed for gaming - a "stimulus P5 glove". it's discontinued now but there are a lot of musicians using it as a controller for midi related things.
[06:50] <laszlo> bob2: whats that all abotu
[06:50] <whyameye> avi, when I had WinXP on this machine, I never used the extra buttons, so I just didn't miss them. The volume, mute, and screen brightness buttons do work.
[06:51] <avi> the pages were good at telling what they did to configure their Linux HP laptops, but they weren't so good for people who've never compiled stuff or recompiled kernels before.
[06:51] <linux-noob> if i have a partition already, for example a drive d, and on the drive c is windows xp, can i make the other drive linux????
[06:51] <bob2> laszlo: it installs all you need to build it
[06:51] <volvoguy> the code is quite old i think. configure ran fine but i get all kinds of errors when i run make.
[06:51] <bob2> you do not need to recompile kernels to work on HP laptops
[06:51] <bob2> linux-noob: yes
[06:51] <avi> Okay, it appears that the volume, mute buttons work... I don't have screen brightness buttons, but I do have buttons on the front for CD music.
[06:51] <muep> linux-noob: yes, but know that the d drive will get erased if you decide to use it
[06:52] <holycow> also, you can buy them with ubuntu preinstalled i understand, or soon will be
[06:52] <bz0b> volvoguy, so is the new ibook good? i really want to get the 14inch with 512ram, maybe more, but i dont know how to compare an ibooks memory usage or processor usage with a pc
[06:52] <Dr_Willis> My pooor Turion Based laptop - dose not like the default kernel very much. :(
[06:52] <holycow> where everything will work i hope
[06:52] <winner> new iBook? Intel?
[06:52] <bob2> Dr_Willis: please file bugs
[06:52] <avi> Plus, I have a glowing blue buttong that turns wireless on and off.
[06:52] <bz0b> no
[06:52] <bz0b> ppc
[06:52] <winner> oh
[06:52] <Dr_Willis> bob2,  its a bug with the kernel :P being fixed in the next releases. (or so ive read)
[06:52] <bob2> bz0b: they're pretty good linux machines, aside from having non-working wireless
[06:52] <bob2> Dr_Willis: is it in the ubuntu bugzilla?
[06:52] <linux-noob> how large disk space to install all i need for linux and other applications?
[06:52] <bob2> linux-noob: 1.8GB
[06:52] <thoreauputic> holycow: wireless (airport extreme) won't work
[06:52] <volvoguy> bz0b, i think they're a great deal for the quality of the machine.
[06:52] <winner> wireless on ppc doesn't work?!
[06:52] <laszlo> whats aptitude?
[06:52] <bob2> winner: airport extreme does not
[06:52] <muep> linux-noob: how big is your hd?
[06:52] <Dr_Willis> bob2,  its a kernel bug sae mention of it on the kernel mailing list i think.
[06:52] <holycow> thoreauputic, on the hp laptops?
[06:53] <bob2> laszlo: another package management tool
[06:53] <nalioth> winner: excuse me?
[06:53] <linux-noob> 20GB
[06:53] <whyameye> avi, my machine also has the CD control buttons on the front, and these don't seem to operate currently. I don't have built-in wireless.
[06:53] <winner> i see.
[06:53] <winner> that sucks.
[06:53] <bob2> Dr_Willis: please do file it for ubuntu then, or it's unlikely to get fixed...
[06:53] <holycow> i thought that was a mac thing
[06:53] <thoreauputic> holycow: ah sorry I misread
[06:53] <avi> hmmm... bummer.
[06:53] <bz0b> do you think any developers will soon come out with some linux compatible drivers for it
[06:53] <bob2> linux-noob: no, 1.8GB
[06:53] <holycow> :)
[06:53] <nalioth> holycow: it's a broadcom thang
[06:53] <bob2> bz0b: not soon
[06:53] <winner> nalioth: no i was referring to what bob2 said.
[06:53] <linux-noob> ok thanks
[06:53] <kevin06> Is it possible to use update-rc.d to list startup scripts in the same manner as chkconfig?
[06:53] <bz0b> and by the way isnt the mac os really close to like a linux box, set aside the windows manager
[06:53] <muep> linux-noob: the minimum for ubuntu is around 2 G but probably about 5 G would be more reasonable
[06:53] <bob2> kevin06: no, use ls
[06:53] <bob2> bz0b: not really
[06:54] <bz0b> because in my experience not much diffrence in a freebsd box then a linux box
[06:54] <nalioth> bz0b: it is a *nix, yes
[06:54] <bob2> bz0b: they both have something unix-like underneath, so somethings are similar
[06:54] <avi> well, thanks for the help, everyone!  At least I now have gcc and such installed, so that's a Good Thing (TM).
[06:54] <avi> cya later!
[06:54] <volvoguy> bz0b, it'd be nice to see something like ndiswrapper, but i doubt it'll happen (even though OS X is another *nix-like OS.
[06:54] <bz0b> does it have tar?
[06:54] <bz0b> hehe
[06:54] <bob2> bz0b: it has bsd tar
[06:54] <asdx> u have to listen this xDD it roxxx xDDD :D:D:D http://www.di.fm/aacplus/chillout.pls
[06:54] <bz0b> cool
[06:54] <bob2> and probably gtar
[06:54] <bob2> I forget
[06:54] <bz0b> how can i compare 512 ram of a ibook to a pc ram
[06:54] <linux-noob> do i have to specify what drive to install linux????
[06:55] <bob2> bz0b: the same
[06:55] <muep> linux-noob: yes
[06:55] <bz0b> really?
[06:55] <bob2> bz0b: mac os X really does need 512mb, tho
[06:55] <bz0b> someone said it uses it diffrently
[06:55] <bob2> linux-noob: of course...
[06:55] <bob2> bz0b: that person would be confused
[06:55] <volvoguy> bz0b, i'd get as much as you can afford.
[06:55] <holycow> http://browserbookapp.sourceforge.net/deskbar-screencast.html  <-- check this preview of gnome 2.12
[06:55] <holycow> neato
[06:55] <bz0b> alright
[06:55] <bz0b> i want a gig, but maybe 768
[06:55] <linux-noob> ill be back, ill try to install this on my other pc...thx a lot
[06:55] <chizang> dumb question: what does it mean to be "identified" in the context of irc? i'm trying to join #python and it says i must be identified to join the channel
[06:55] <volvoguy> bz0b, you can get a gig for about $130.
[06:55] <bob2> bz0b: students get nice discounts from apple, if you know one or are one
[06:55] <muep> linux-noob: good luck
[06:55] <bob2> chizang: /msg nickserv help
[06:56] <bz0b> bob2, i am a high school student :-)
[06:56] <bob2> chizang: you need to login to the irc server, more or less
[06:56] <nalioth> bz0b: you can also go to apple.com/store and click the red tag on the bottom right
[06:56] <chizang> bob2, ok, thanks
[06:56] <Madpilot> chizang: type "/msg nickserv help" for registration info
[06:57] <bz0b> nalioth, how are the iMac G5s?
[06:57] <bob2> they're very shiney
[06:57] <volvoguy> so... back to my compiling problems. one of the first errors is about a missing usb.h. would that be in the libusb-dev package?
[06:57] <bz0b> hehe
[06:57] <bob2> volvoguy: what are you compiling?
[06:57] <drapelyk> chizang: so no one can steal your nickname
[06:57] <bz0b> I actually like the mac os, i think it is pretty nice
[06:57] <nalioth> bz0b: in what way?
[06:57] <volvoguy> bob2, oh man. i'm not typing all that again. lol.
[06:58] <bytefoo> how do i make an application start when gnome starts
[06:58] <volvoguy> there's this glove, designed for gaming - a "stimulus P5 glove". it's discontinued now but there are a lot of musicians using it as a controller for midi related things.
[06:58] <bz0b> nalioth, like, firstly, the gui gets me, secondly, the user-friendlyness of it, and thirdly, that i get a full bash terminal when i want to go scipting
[06:58] <bob2> volvoguy: right, so you're compiling some userspace usb driver?
[06:58] <volvoguy> bob2, apparently.
[06:58] <bob2> bz0b: system -> preferences -> session
[06:58] <WMCoolmon> hey, does anyone know if its better to start fresh with a kubuntu breezy install or to simply upgrade?
[06:59] <nalioth> bz0b: the imac G5 works great
[06:59] <bytefoo> and secondly, how do i reinstall a piece of hardware
[06:59] <WMCoolmon> i'm starting from an ubuntu-hoary install
[06:59] <bz0b> bob2, why did you tell me that?
[06:59] <robotgeek> nalioth: even sound?
[06:59] <bob2> bah
[06:59] <bob2> bytefoo: system -> preferences -> session
[06:59] <bob2> bz0b: because I suck
[06:59] <bz0b> bob2, haha
[06:59] <bob2> bytefoo: "reinstall"?
[06:59] <bytefoo> yeah
[06:59] <bz0b> bob2, no, you are the most helpful in here
[07:00] <nalioth> robotgeek: are we talking ubuntu on the G5 imac or the iMac G5 in general?
[07:00] <bob2> bytefoo: what are you hoping to acheieve?
[07:00] <bytefoo> my ipw2200 is detected in the device manager, but doesn't show up in the network configuration
[07:00] <scott1967> ok-got to k3b, but now it wants cdrdao package!!!
[07:00] <bz0b> ubuntu on it
[07:00] <bytefoo> and i believe i removed it somehow at some point
[07:00] <bytefoo> but i forget how
[07:00] <bob2> bytefoo: then there's nothing to reinstall
[07:00] <bz0b> nalioth, how would it be? faster then a intel 3.0 ghz?
[07:00] <robotgeek> ubuntu
[07:00] <thoreauputic> scott1967: right - install it
[07:00] <bob2> bytefoo: is the module loaded?
[07:00] <whyameye> scott1967, did you install K3b using Synaptic?
[07:00] <bytefoo> ooh no its not...
[07:00] <bytefoo> that's odd...
[07:00] <thoreauputic> scott1967: it should really be automatic, but something is wrong withthe dependency check
[07:01] <scott1967> yes
[07:01] <WMCoolmon> hmm, does anyone know what this means then? " FATAL ERROR: Bad logical partition 6: enlarged logical partitions overlap"
[07:01] <bytefoo> why didnt it start o_O
[07:01] <omp> http://www.tectonic.co.za/viewr.php?id=595   < read that
[07:01] <bytefoo> oh snap, bad ieee80211 version :X
[07:01] <bytefoo> how the hell...
[07:02] <bz0b> but i need to be on the go, and with up to 6 hour battery life, that can do me good
[07:02] <volvoguy> would throwing the output of configure into the pastebin help at all?
[07:02] <kevin06> Is chkconfig and service part of a package in the Ubuntu repos, and if so, what is the package name?
[07:02] <omp> "HP to ship Ubuntu PCs, serious about Linux"
[07:02] <WMCoolmon> anyone, Ubuntu->Kubuntu or Enlarged logical partitions help?
[07:02] <bob2> kevin06: no, this is not redhat
[07:02] <bz0b> now what if i could afford, i would get is like a 17 or even 15 inch powerbook
[07:02] <thoreauputic> bz0b: "up to" is the operative phrase
[07:02] <bob2> bz0b: no apple laptop will give you six hours
[07:02] <bob2> bz0b: not without extra batteries
[07:02] <thoreauputic> bz0b: but battery times are good
[07:02] <bob2> bytefoo: ubuntu kernel?
[07:03] <scott1967> can not find cdrdao
[07:03] <bytefoo> 2.6.10-5-686
[07:03] <bz0b> bob2, yeah, but still better then my 1 hour 30 min max compaq presario 2100
[07:03] <thoreauputic> !info cdrdao
[07:03] <bob2> bytefoo: my x40, with the extended-life battery could get 5.5 hours with dim screen and no wireless
[07:03] <ubotu> cdrdao: (Disk-At-Once (DAO) recording of audio and data CD-Rs/CD-RWs), section universe/otherosfs, is extra. Version: 1:1.1.9-3ubuntu2 (hoary), Packaged size: 385 kB, Installed size: 1088 kB
[07:03] <bytefoo> but i had to build my own ieee80211 i remember
[07:03] <bob2> it's in universe
[07:03] <bob2> someone has to walk scott1967 through that
[07:03] <bob2> bytefoo: wtf
[07:03] <thoreauputic> scott1967: in the universe repository
[07:03] <bytefoo> because the madwifi drivers that come with hoary are mad old :X
[07:04] <bytefoo> yeah
[07:04] <bob2> bytefoo: ipw2200 does not use madwifi
[07:04] <bytefoo> ...crap :|
[07:04] <bytefoo> i know
[07:04] <WMCoolmon> does anyone have any exp or advice regarding ubuntu->kubuntu
[07:04] <WMCoolmon> ?
[07:04] <bytefoo> this is for a pcmcia card
[07:04] <robotgeek> !tell scott1967 about repos
[07:04] <thoreauputic> !tell scott1967 about sources
[07:04] <bytefoo> not me WMCoolmon
[07:04] <bz0b> for pcmcia card, i would recommend the netgear wg511t
[07:04] <volvoguy> WMCoolmon, what kind of advice?
[07:04] <bytefoo> the one i have is great
[07:04] <bytefoo> DWL-G650
[07:04] <scott1967> oh my- seems there is more to this than i thought
[07:05] <linux-noob> hello again ^_^
[07:05] <WMCoolmon> volvoguy: I'd like to know if there's any benefit to starting fresh
[07:05] <thoreauputic> scott1967: it's not hard really :)
[07:05] <bytefoo> does passive monitoring, packet injection, and can be modded for an external antenna
[07:05] <bytefoo> all for $30 :X
[07:05] <linux-noob> i just want to clarify something???
[07:05] <volvoguy> WMCoolmon, compared to just dist-upgrading?
[07:05] <WMCoolmon> volvoguy: yeah
[07:05] <thoreauputic> scott1967: you just need to change some lines in your sources.list
[07:05] <whyameye> scott1967, I'm surprised cdrdao didn't download and install automatically. any case, have you done a search for cdrdao in Synaptic?
[07:05] <volvoguy> WMCoolmon, personally i'd say no, unless your current install is really screwed up.
[07:06] <linux-noob> in the partition part of the installation, is the primary the drive c and the logical is the drive d????
[07:06] <thoreauputic> whyameye: he needs niverse, which he evidently doesn't have yet
[07:06] <WMCoolmon> volvoguy: thanks :)
[07:06] <bob2> linux-noob: no
[07:06] <volvoguy> WMCoolmon, anytime. :)
[07:06] <thoreauputic> scott1967: I cn help you in pm if you wish
[07:06] <thoreauputic> *can
[07:06] <Myrtti> *yawn*
[07:06] <linux-noob> no??? so what is the drive c then?
[07:06] <scott1967> 3 times now-remeber now-i have no clue what i'm doing:)
[07:06] <odatubuntu>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY palmer
[07:07] <WMCoolmon> one remaining question, i apparently have a "enlarged logical partitions overlap"
[07:07] <WMCoolmon> is there any way to fix that?
[07:07] <bob2> odatubuntu: time change your password
[07:07] <odatubuntu> anyone know how to uninstall Enemy territory?
[07:07] <volvoguy> WMCoolmon, that's one i've never heard before.
[07:07] <odatubuntu> sup bob
[07:08] <Dr_Willis> odatubuntu,  how did you Install it?
[07:08] <linux-noob> bob2: what is the drive c then?
[07:08] <odatubuntu> dr_willis: yes
[07:08] <Dr_Willis> odatubuntu,  HOW did you Install it?
[07:08] <bob2> linux-noob: a drive, which is different to a partition
[07:08] <odatubuntu> bob2: do you know how i can uninstall this thing i'm done playing with it
[07:08] <bob2> depends on how you installed it
[07:08] <odatubuntu> dr_willis: it was a graphical installer
[07:08] <linux-noob> ok
[07:08] <Dr_Willis> odatubuntu,  so you did not use the apt-get stuff or synaptic?
[07:09] <odatubuntu> dr_willis: no
[07:09] <ripgut> anyone know if the zen micro can work in ubuntu?
[07:09] <ripgut> i did a "lsusb" and it comes up
[07:09] <ripgut> but how do i access it?
[07:09] <bz0b> oh god what i would do for someone to come over and just connect to my wifi for about 30-40 minutes, so i can test aircrack
[07:09] <Carpe_Libertatem> !tell me about java
[07:09] <bob2> is it a usb-storage device?
[07:09] <odatubuntu> bob2: i used this sudo sh ./et-linux-2.60.x86.run
[07:09] <WMCoolmon> anyone...enlarged logical partitions overlap problem...anyone....
[07:09] <bob2> WMCoolmon: clearly no one here knows; what did google say? nothing in the list archives?
[07:10] <WMCoolmon> the only thing i could really find was to reformat and start over
[07:11] <bz0b> I <3 reformatting
[07:11] <ds[de] > WMCoolmon: when do you get the error?
[07:11] <WMCoolmon> i have little confidence in that working since i only partitioned the drive with the Ubuntu installer
[07:11] <WMCoolmon> when i run cfdisk
[07:11] <volvoguy> my brain hurts. i applaud you guys that are always in here helping. i'll be back in a few.
[07:11] <Dr_Willis> WMCoolmon,  wjhat is giving you that error? the installer?
[07:11] <ds[de] > WMCoolmon query
[07:11] <WMCoolmon> no, i get the error when I run cfdisk
[07:12] <WMCoolmon> "FATAL ERROR: Bad logical partition 6: enlarged logical partitions overlap
[07:12] <WMCoolmon>                           Press any key to exit cfdisk
[07:12] <WMCoolmon> "
[07:12] <Dr_Willis> WMCoolmon,  You some how got it mispartioned it seems
[07:12] <Dr_Willis> did you allready partion this drive once? or wjhats on it now?
[07:12] <odatubuntu> anyone know how i uninstall this thing?
[07:12] <WMCoolmon> it was new when i got it
[07:13] <Dr_Willis> 'new' as in fromn the box?
[07:13] <WMCoolmon> yes, i basically took it out and installed ubuntu on it. i may have had to repartition the drive, but if i did, i used the ubuntu installer every time
[07:14] <Dr_Willis> odatubuntu,  the rtcw:et whomepage will tell ya where it isntalkled to.. and jujst delete that directory
[07:14] <Dr_Willis> WMCoolmon,  Hmm. I just let thje ubuntu installer auto-partuion the drive. :P
[07:14] <[Chameleon] > How can I get encrypted DVD playback in breezy??
[07:15] <Dr_Willis> i also tend to use the normal linux fdisk. or boot some live cd that has qt_parted
[07:15] <odatubuntu> ?
[07:15] <Dr_Willis> [Chameleon] ,  i think thats answered in the ubuntu wikis.
[07:15] <Dr_Willis> !dvd
[07:15] <ubotu> DVD playing is possible in ubuntu, some dvd's require libdvdcss2, which can be found in !hoary-extras
[07:15] <Dr_Willis> odatubuntu,  find the dir it isntalled to and delete that dir
[07:16] <WMCoolmon> Dr_Willis: ds[de]  figured it out, actually...sounds like the problem is that cfdisk can't handle logical partitions that weren't partitioned in the order that they appear on the disk. mine certainly fit that description
[07:16] <Dr_Willis> WMCoolmon,  aha.. i rember that issue ages ago.. you got them numbered like 1,2,5,4,3 :P
[07:16] <Dr_Willis> WMCoolmon,  been there - done that.
[07:16] <Dr_Willis> :P
[07:16] <[Chameleon] > !breezy-extras
[07:17] <ubotu> [Chameleon] : Syntax error in line 1
[07:17] <Dr_Willis> i find it much easier to just let the disrtos installers set up the hd's auto-magicially these days.
[07:18] <thoreauputic> [Chameleon] : not sure on this, but I would think the libdvdcss2 in hoary-extras should work on breezy
[07:18] <WMCoolmon> yeah, i would've done that except i wanted to run W2k and Ubuntu side-by-side
[07:18] <WMCoolmon> plus have some partitions for LFS and whatnot
[07:18] <thoreauputic> [Chameleon] : hopefully someone will correct me if that's wrong :)
[07:18] <Myrtti> yawn
[07:19] <linux-noob> bob2: is warcraft3 playable in linux, and other games???
[07:20] <bob2> linux-noob: depends if you've bought cedega or not
[07:20] <HrdwrBoB> linux-noob: yes
[07:20] <HrdwrBoB> linux-noob: you can play wc3 in wine, I think
[07:20] <linux-noob> what is cedega???
[07:20] <linux-noob> what is wine too???
[07:20] <shik45> winex
[07:20] <Myrtti> thanks.
[07:20] <shik45> wow ur a dumb noob
[07:21] <shik45> emulator for win32
[07:21] <thoreauputic> shik45: stop that pleasde
[07:21] <shik45> fine
[07:21] <bob2> shik45: please read the code of conduct
[07:21] <shik45> fine
[07:21] <shik45> but seriously
[07:21] <nalioth> shik45: yes, some tact would be nice
[07:21] <asdx> wine is an emulator?
[07:21] <bob2> people who use "ur" shouldn't be calling anyone a "dumb noob", anyway
[07:21] <linux-noob> shik45: that why asking here
[07:21] <thoreauputic> !tell shik45 about conduct
[07:21] <bob2> asdx: no, it's NOT an emulator
[07:21] <[Chameleon] > asdx: heh, no
[07:21] <linux-noob> coz this is my first time
[07:21] <bob2> asdx: it's a reimplementation of parts of windows, so you can run windows programs on linux
[07:22] <bob2> it's quite clever
[07:22] <candlelight> everyone starts from somewhere, np
[07:22] <nitinshantharam> any mailserver setup gurus here, im having the hardest time
[07:22] <shik45> ubuntu has a bad name because of users who dont know gnome from kde
[07:22] <[Chameleon] > WINE is more of a translator than an emulator.
[07:22] <shik45> same thing
[07:22] <[Chameleon] > shik45: why don't you just leave? it'll be easier that way.
[07:22] <shik45> synonyms
[07:22] <[Chameleon] > no, not at all
[07:22] <shik45> yes
[07:22] <asdx> is like a layer?
[07:22] <shik45> and wc3 works under wine
[07:22] <asdx> on top of unix/x11?
[07:23] <[Chameleon] > asdx: yes
[07:23] <shik45> my friend had it up under gentoo
[07:23] <asdx> k
[07:23] <[Chameleon] > asdx: rather than a completely virtualized environment, such as an emulator would be
[07:23] <shik45> and steam works under cedega/winex
[07:23] <asdx> does wine runs on something other than x86?
[07:23] <shik45> prob
[07:23] <bob2> nitinshantharam: best to just ask your question
[07:23] <asdx> like on ppc
[07:23] <Razor-X> is there a sed option to make it delete the line of a match?
[07:23] <bob2> asdx: no
[07:24] <linux-noob> bob2: can i find the cedega and winex at eh ubuntulinux.org site????
[07:24] <asdx> k
[07:24] <[Chameleon] > asdx: it might be technically possible, but I don't believe they build to that arch.
[07:24] <nitinshantharam> bob2: well i dont know how to setup a virtual mail server, and ive looked at tutorials, i need some help
[07:24] <bob2> asdx: wine doesn't emulate things; the windows program runs on the CPU normally, but the calls it makes to windows functions get handled by wine
[07:24] <[Chameleon] > asdx: IIRC, NT 4 ran on PPC.
[07:24] <giggsey_> When I install firefox via apt-get it gives E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[07:24] <asdx> ok
[07:24] <bob2> nitinshantharam: google: "postfix mysql kirby"
[07:24] <bob2> linux-noob: no, they cost money
[07:24] <nitinshantharam> bob2 ok thanks let me look
[07:24] <bob2> giggsey_: that's not the full error, paste the entire thing to #flood
[07:24] <JairunCaloth> where is the xserver log file?
[07:24] <giggsey_> kk
[07:25] <[Chameleon] > or maybe that was Alpha, not PPC that NT 4 also ran on......
[07:25] <shik45> u can get source
[07:25] <bob2> JairunCaloth: /var/log
[07:25] <shik45> on website asdx
[07:25] <bob2> [Chameleon] : it ran on both, and mips
[07:25] <shik45> winehq.com
[07:25] <[Chameleon] > bob2: yeah... that's right
[07:25] <Dr_Willis> ive never had much lucjk with wine or cedega playing games. :(
[07:25] <shik45> u know how to compile from source asdx ?
[07:26] <giggsey_> bob2: posted in #flood
[07:26] <shik45> it worked fine on my gentoo
[07:26] <asdx> shik45: wine?
[07:26] <shik45> yes
[07:26] <asdx> shik45: yes
[07:26] <bob2> giggsey_: looks like you installed extensions as root
[07:26] <shik45> either is good
[07:26] <shik45> i run all sorts a shit using winex and wine
[07:27] <shik45> it is great
[07:27] <giggsey_> bob2 -> I've installed no extensions yet
[07:27] <shik45> i have vmware 2 for developing livecd
[07:27] <asdx> shinu: u just grab the wine-2005xxxx.tar.bz2 - tar -xvjf wine-2005xxxx.tar.bz2 - cd wine-2005xxxx/ - ./configure - make - make install and u're done I guess
[07:27] <asdx> shik45: then u have to configure some stuff in ~/.wine
[07:27] <shik45> i didn't
[07:27] <shik45> but u might have 2
[07:27] <shik45> i used portage my friend
[07:28] <shik45> for everyhting
[07:28] <asdx> ok
[07:28] <shik45> winex isn't on there anymore tho'
[07:28] <thoreauputic> shik45: this is #ubuntu , in case you didn't notice
[07:28] <shik45> i was helping the guy out
[07:28] <shik45> i support the project
[07:28] <shik45> i have 5 ubuntu boxes in my hosue
[07:28] <SuperQ> heh
[07:28] <shik45> i have my dad on it 2
[07:28] <bob2> come on folks
[07:28] <bob2> let's stay on-topic
[07:28] <shik45> dont be petty
[07:29] <shik45> this is support
[07:29] <bob2> shik45: done?
[07:29] <asdx> why staying on topic?
[07:29] <asdx> I mean
[07:29] <shik45> yes
[07:29] <bob2> good, thanks
[07:29] <bob2> asdx: because otherwsie this will degenerate into a stupid argument
[07:29] <bob2> more so than it has already
[07:29] <Dr_Willis> !topic
[07:29] <shik45> u need more help asdx
[07:29] <smott> freenode is slowly but very surely turning to shit ...
[07:29] <smott> kind of like usenet
[07:29] <shad0w1e> how do I determine a directory size from the console???
[07:29] <Razor-X> hmmm, how do you do increments in BASH or ZSH scripting?
[07:29] <asdx> shik45: i need more help?
[07:29] <asdx> shik45: what kind of help?
[07:29] <Dr_Willis> shad0w1e,  'df' is what i normally use i think
[07:29] <asdx> shik45: why do i need help?
[07:29] <giggsey_> nvm, it apears that I can now download extentsions
[07:29] <shad0w1e> df tells you the size of the disk
[07:29] <shik45> i was asking if u did
[07:29] <shad0w1e> how about directory?
[07:30] <bimberi> shad0w1e: du -sh /path/to/dir
[07:30] <Dr_Willis> du perhaps :P
[07:30] <shik45> if ur smart u shall be fine
[07:30] <shad0w1e> oh nice!
[07:30] <bob2> shad0w1e: du -sh blah
[07:30] <shad0w1e> thanks !
[07:30] <linux-noob> bob2: i have a question regarding the partition disk in the installation..asking me about the mount option...what do you think is the best option for me as a stater of linux????
[07:30] <Dr_Willis> i alwyas get them backwwards
[07:30] <shik45> u seem 2 know enough
[07:30] <asdx> shik45: if i did what?
[07:30] <shik45> nvmd
[07:30] <bob2> linux-noob: then leave the defaults
[07:30] <shik45> go ahead and try cedega or wine
[07:30] <shik45> i suggest cedega if u can get it warez
[07:30] <linux-noob> the default is ro - mount the file system read-only???
[07:31] <shad0w1e> aight thanks its working great!!!
[07:31] <asdx> k
[07:31] <thoreauputic> shik45: wareZ are totally off-topic
[07:31] <Dr_Willis> warez? oh plz.. for the cost of lunch money you can get  legally
[07:31] <shad0w1e> how do i tell how many people are logged into the box?
[07:31] <bob2> linux-noob: no, that's not the default
[07:31] <Dr_Willis> or ya could break down and use the cvs versions.
[07:31] <bob2> shad0w1e: depends how you define how many
[07:31] <bob2> shad0w1e: "w" would be a useful tool
[07:32] <shik45> i was telling him how 2 get winex
[07:32] <shik45> wine is gpl
[07:32] <shik45> so u can get it easily
[07:32] <shad0w1e> w works great, thanks again!
[07:33] <linux-noob> bob2: huh??? so what is it then?? the choices are as follows: ro - mount the file system read-only; sync - all input/output activities occur synchronously; quite - changing owner and permission does not return errors?????
[07:33] <bob2> linux-noob: leave them all blank
[07:33] <linux-noob> ok
[07:35] <vern401> what do I need to do to solve Error Failed to run services-admin as user root
[07:35] <rendi> # chmod 777 d
[07:35] <rendi> chmod: changing permissions of `d': Read-only file system
[07:35] <rendi> can help me
[07:36] <shad0w1e> how can I tell from the "ls" command if something is a symbolic link?
[07:36] <crimsun> rendi: presuming you know that 777 is dangerous [foolish] , what fs is that on?
[07:36] <thoreauputic> shad0w1e: use ls -l
[07:36] <danl> how do you set the suid bit for a file?
[07:36] <shad0w1e> thoreauputic I was using it
[07:36] <rendi> fat32
[07:36] <rendi> is windows partition
[07:36] <thoreauputic> shad0w1e: if it's a link it will have a n arrow
[07:37] <shad0w1e> oh yeah
[07:37] <shad0w1e> but it doesnt
[07:37] <crimsun> shad0w1e: the leftmost output will be 'l'
[07:37] <shad0w1e> on my other system it does
[07:37] <linux-noob> bob2: i have already formatted the partition, now i would like to ask what is the best mount point for me???? /dos; /windows or do not mount it???
[07:37] <shad0w1e> this is an old 2.4 kernel system
[07:37] <bob2> rendi: you can't change permissions on a windows partition
[07:37] <bob2> linux-noob: stop using so many question marks, it's really really annoying
[07:38] <bob2> linux-noob: have you made / yet?
[07:38] <rendi> i'm del my windows last night
[07:38] <linux-noob> oh im sorry?
[07:38] <linux-noob> not yet?
[07:38] <rendi> only ubuntu i have on my pc
[07:38] <linux-noob> not yet
[07:38] <bob2> then tell it to be /
[07:38] <crimsun> danl: what are the perms on it now?
[07:39] <rendi> can help ?
[07:39] <linux-noob> so only / ? no more?
[07:39] <bob2> linux-noob: yes
[07:39] <bob2> rendi: what are you trying to do?
[07:39] <danl> 755
[07:40] <bob2> and why is it so hard to get peopel to explain their goal, instead of their confused attempted solution?
[07:40] <crimsun> danl: chmod 4755 foo
[07:40] <Razor-X> bob2: do you know how to use a shell variable in sed?
[07:40] <linux-noob> ok thanks. how about the bootable flag? what is it?
[07:40] <danl> hmmm....
[07:40] <rendi> bob2 i wanna save my doc in that partition
[07:41] <danl> didn't seem to work, trying to get it so my none root user can execute shfsmount as root
[07:41] <shik45> is there kubuntu channel
[07:41] <Razor-X> shik45: yeah
[07:41] <bob2> rendi: then you mounted it wrong
[07:41] <thoreauputic> shik45: yes
[07:41] <bob2> Razor-X: same as you do in any other shell thing: $blah
[07:42] <Razor-X> bob2: but in sed, doesen't sed search for string $blah?
[07:42] <crimsun> danl: huh? just use sudo
[07:42] <crimsun> danl: toying with suid is at best dangerous if you're not familiar with the intended security design
[07:42] <danl> yea... thats what i did... just didn't want to have to type the password each time
[07:43] <crimsun> danl: the passwd is cached per tty
[07:43] <linux-noob> bob2: what is the meaning of bootable flag? what does it do?
[07:43] <danl> i will only be doing it once per login
[07:43] <rendi> bob2 here my fstab
[07:43] <rendi> /dev/hda5       /media/d  vfat    iocharset=utf8,umask=000   0       0
[07:43] <danl> i just got done setting up ssh keys so i don't have to type my ssh password for the server... but it doesn't work on shfs... i think ima give it a rest tonight
[07:44] <Razor-X> bob2: yeah, I guess it matches the literal '$test' and not the value of $test, which is what I want
[07:44] <bob2> Razor-X: your shell does the substitution before sed runs
[07:44] <Razor-X> well, here's my syntax
[07:44] <crimsun> danl: then my suggestion is to configure sudoers to allow just that utility to be run NOPASSWD
[07:44] <bob2> linux-noob: it tells your bios the partition can be booted
[07:44] <crimsun> danl: for your user only, of course
[07:44] <linux-noob> bob2: ok thanks again
[07:44] <Octane> even though i successfully installed the latest nvidia drivers (over the nvidia kernel module packages), X.org.log says that it failed to intialize the nvidia kernel module with the error "no screens found"
[07:44] <Razor-X> cat --number blah | sed 's/^ *//g' | sed -n 's/$test[^0-90//p'
[07:44] <Razor-X> err
[07:44] <Razor-X> cat --number blah | sed 's/^ *//g' | sed -n 's/$test[^0-90] //p'
[07:45] <Razor-X> where $test == 4
[07:45] <Razor-X> should I remove the 's ?
[07:45] <danl> ok... will google that :-) thanks. any way to make su not prompt for password for said user?
[07:45] <danl> ignoring the major security hole that would make
[07:45] <absenth> is anyone here semi familiar with using Ubuntu as the base for a dedicated snort IDS box?
[07:46] <crimsun> danl: erm, not su. That's why sudoers is relevant here.
[07:46] <bob2> Octane: then load it
[07:46] <Octane> bob2: i load it in modules
[07:46] <Octane> 'nvidia'
[07:47] <bob2> Razor-X: remember that your shell handles quoting and variable substitution
[07:47] <bob2> Octane: er, so look at dmesg and see what happened
[07:47] <bob2> then modprobe it manually
[07:47] <Razor-X> bob2: I'm remembering, but my result isn't what it should be
[07:47] <Octane> "module license taints kernel" is the only nvidia-related msg
[07:47] <Razor-X> bob2: if I substitute `4' for `$test' sed matches the line I want
[07:48] <bob2> Razor-X: " instead of '
[07:48] <chavo> If I boot into runlevel 5, I only have 1 getty running. Anyone know how to fi?
[07:48] <chavo> fix that is
[07:48] <Razor-X> bob2: lemme see
[07:49] <danl> thanks crimsun, that was easy enough
[07:49] <Razor-X> bob2: I get a broken pipe statement
[07:50] <Razor-X> bob2: err, hold on a sec
[07:50] <Razor-X> ahhh, I see, it's something BASH specific
[07:51] <linux-noob> bob2: i have encountered base system installation error.
[07:52] <thoreauputic> chavo: ubuntu doesn't normally use runlevel 5 - have you configured it that way?
[07:52] <linux-noob> bob2: it says that the debootstrap program exited with an error (return value 1)
[07:52] <chavo> I just did it temorarily
[07:52] <chavo> temporarily
[07:52] <thoreauputic> chavo: X is runlevel 2 by default
[07:52] <thoreauputic> ah
[07:52] <chavo> yes I know that
[07:52] <thoreauputic> OK'
[07:53] <bob2> linux-noob: perhaps the cd didn't burn correctly
[07:53] <chavo> When I do init 2 it runs the other gettys
[07:53] <Octane> how can i troubleshoot this nvidia driver not working? im using the latest version from nvidia's site. i also have the nvidia kernel modules installed. i have modprobe'd 'nvidia'
[07:53] <thoreauputic> chavo: something in /etc/inittab then I would think
[07:53] <linux-noob> ok
[07:53] <Knelix> Just ordered my new PC system for Ubunto!
[07:54] <chavo> Yeah that's what I thought, but it works on a clean install of breezy, doesn't work on an upgrade.
[07:54] <bob2> Octane: and you read dmesg?
[07:54] <chavo> and inittab is the same.
[07:54] <chavo> no big deal, just wondering if someone knew a fix
[07:54] <gpm> hi guys. i have a problem sometimes with cdrecord and i have to use an older version (on debian, thinking of switching to ubuntu)...if cdrecord doesn't work automagically, can i downgrade cdrecord?
[07:54] <Octane> bob2: ya i grep'd nvidia and found nothing but "module licenst nvidia taints kernel"
[07:55] <thoreauputic> chavo: looks like all ttys are not activated in r/l 5 on my box
[07:55] <bob2> gpm: file a bug
[07:55] <linux-noob> bob2: what is this error? system~1_resto~1rp126change~1.1 is 1k, but it has 4 clusters (16k) error! then the options ignore and cancel
[07:56] <thoreauputic> chavo: look at thelines below 1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1 in /etc/inittab
[07:56] <bob2> linux-noob: an error is useless if you don't give us context
[07:56] <chavo> thoreauputic, yes
[07:56] <chavo> I see, I get it now
[07:56] <thoreauputic> :)
[07:56] <chavo> thanks
[07:56] <linux-noob> bob2: the error occurs after i have done with the partition and ready to install the linux
[07:57] <Knelix> Specs:
[07:57] <thoreauputic> chavo: np :)
[07:57] <antix> hm I just got 60Mb of new packages through the Software Updates program.. some major update?
[07:57] <Knelix> Foxconn TLM454R3M6-C350 Barebones (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16856119002)
[07:57] <Knelix> AMD Sempron 2400+ Thoroughbred 333MHz FSB 256KB L2 Cache