[00:06] <redneck> could some expert tell me what is the safest way to update Hardy's network manager to version 0.7?
[00:53] <ivoks> omg
[00:53] <jpds> Hi ivoks
[00:55] <ivoks> hi
[02:35] <ScottK-laptop> kees: It seems to me that now that we've tried out clamav micro-releases a couple of times as an experiment, it's probably time to get it official and added to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates/MicroReleaseExceptions
[02:54] <kees> ScottK-laptop: yeah, I was thinking about that.  it's been a while since there's been a TB meeting.
[02:54] <ScottK-laptop> According to the wiki it's done via email.
[02:55] <kees> oh... er, I should read more carefully.  :)
[04:48] <phix> hey
[04:49] <phix> I was just saying on #ubuntu-devel, wouldn't it be a great idea if ubuntu had a concept of "templates", in which, it looks at hardware (for example hard disk drives) and determines if say suggesting a RAID1 or RAID5 "template" is appropriate
[04:52] <phix> to give the user for is installer ubuntu a more high-level approach to installing and setting up ubuntu
[04:58] <phix> jussi01: <3
[05:02] <ivoks> ScottK-laptop: here?
[05:03] <ScottK-laptop> For a bit.
[05:03] <ivoks> you have a blueprint link for the mail stack you worked on?
[05:04] <ScottK-laptop> Yes.  Just a moment.
[05:04] <ivoks> np
[05:05] <ScottK-laptop> ivoks: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/integrated-mail-stack and that's got a link to the wiki page.
[05:09] <ivoks> great
[05:13] <ivoks> mailbox backup
[05:13] <ivoks> ummm... always_bcc?
[05:13] <ivoks> clumsy, but a good start
[05:14] <ivoks> RBL can be solved with postconf, inside postfix
[05:14] <ivoks> works beautiful on all my setups
[05:18] <phix> is postfix the mail server of choice now
[05:18] <ScottK-laptop> RBL I didn't know if we'd just use postconf or want some intermediate script, e.g. postfix-add-rbl which wraps postconf.
[05:18] <phix> ?
[05:18] <ScottK-laptop> For Ubuntu, yes.
[05:18] <phix> I thought it was exim
[05:18] <ScottK-laptop> That's default in Debian.
[05:18] <ScottK-laptop> It's supported in Main in Ubuntu, but not the primary.
[05:19] <phix> ah ok :) Any main reasons why postfix is prefered over exim?
[05:19] <ScottK-laptop> It's been that way since before I was involved.
[05:19] <phix> ah ok
[05:19] <ivoks> phix: yes; ubuntu devs prefere it
[05:19] <phix> I have nothing against it, I used postfix on slackware before I even heard of Debian'
[05:20] <ScottK-laptop> For myself, i looked at both a few years ago and preferred postfix.  I don't recall exactly why.
[05:20] <ScottK-laptop> I tend to remember decisions, but not all the reasons.
[05:22] <ScottK-laptop> Off to bed with me, so good night.
[05:22] <ivoks> ScottK-laptop: night
[05:25] <ivoks> me too
[05:25] <ivoks> night
[07:57] <Scare|Working> Hi all
[08:01] <Assid> heya
[08:04] <Assid> anyone around?
[08:04] <Assid> is there a bug list available on ubuntu
[08:05] <_ruben> bugs.launchpad.net
[08:06] <Assid> am reloading a box. wanna see if its worth moving from etch to maybe lenny or ubuntu
[08:09] <ropetin> Assid: depends on what you want to acheive with the reload
[08:10] <Assid> err  a server? whats there to achieve.. still deciding the os :(
[08:10] <ropetin> Do you want cutting edge, stability, somewhere in the middle?  GUI, no GUI?
[08:11] <Assid> middle.. but yes stable..  no gui
[08:12] <ropetin> Lenny is good then :)
[08:13] <Assid> #debian guys are saying to stick to etch.. use backports
[08:16] <ropetin> To each their own I guess
[08:46] <derefr> I'm installing JeOS in VMWare Workstation, on a Pentium M laptop. Apparently I don't have PAE available, and according to the forum posts I've read, that means I should use the generic, rather than server, kernel. How do I go about doing that? Is there some easy switch to flip, or do I have to have a long talk with apt and grub?
[09:13] <Gargoyle> ho ho ho!
[09:42] <Gargoyle> Interesting! I got a "moo" from #ubuntu-uk, a "gigolo, gigolo, gigolo" from #zftalk and a "humbug" from #phpnw... which means were all mad! :P
[09:42] <Oliber> wrong
[10:26] <selinuxium> Hi all, the linux-virtual kernel... Is that for the VMhost or VMclient? ANd is it just a case of apt-getting it?
[10:26] <Oliber> from what i understood, it's for guests
[10:45] <_ruben> guest indeed .. and its best to install it using apt-get install linux-virtual
[10:50] <eax_fr> hi there
[10:51] <incorrect> hello i am trying to find more info on the preseed file to the automated pxe boot install
[10:52] <eax_fr> i'm looking for information about creating nas server with web interface (like freenas) but based on ubuntu server....
[10:54] <eax_fr> does anyone know a good panel (web interface) to manage iptables ?
[10:55] <incorrect> http://tinyurl.com/5tkfxa
[10:55] <Nafallo> nice. it's working again :-D
[11:06] <selinuxium> hey there _ruben, after installing how do I check it is using the corect kernel?
[11:49] <incorrect> strange my preseed file works apart from when i tried to log in after the system as installed i just get diamonds
[11:52] <_ruben> selinuxium: which ubuntu version?
[11:52] <selinuxium> _ruben: 8.04
[11:53] <_ruben> in 8.04 uname -a will show -virtual when the -virtual kernel is loaded
[11:56] <selinuxium> _ruben: Cheers, I di dthat before and it wasn't showing.. it is now.. :)
[11:58] <incorrect> where can i get a list of the 'tasksel' options for the preseed file?
[12:07] <_ruben> incorrect: check /var/log/installer/cdebconf/templates.dat and /var/log/installer/cdebconf/questions.dat
[12:27] <incorrect> is there anyway to get the preseed file after an install?
[12:30] <ikonia> pressed file ?
[12:32] <hads> preseed
[13:16] <nnull> server run on 64 meg?
[13:16] <nnull> asin, would it be usable? (i know it will work)
[13:17] <eax_fr> l
[13:17] <nnull> |
[13:20] <_ruben> define "usable"
[13:21] <_ruben> incorrect: you want a preseed file based on an existing install or what?
[13:37] <Faust-C> anyone here use otrs2 for a ticket system?
[13:37] <Faust-C> or have any other suggestions for a ticket system
[13:37] <Deeps> rt
[13:37] <Deeps> kayako
[13:38] <Deeps> (kayako's not free, but it's quite easy to hack up and add new stuff to, and easy to integrate with an existing website layout)
[13:38] <Faust-C> Deeps, ah ty, we are in serious need of a ticket system
[13:38] <ScottK-laptop> RT is widely used.
[13:38] <Deeps> otrs was a pita when i tried it
[13:38] <Faust-C> atm we use a access frontend to deal w/ users
[13:38] <Deeps> both to setup and to use
[13:39] <Faust-C> Deeps, yeha otrs2 is being retarted atm
[13:39] <Deeps> RT may leave you in dependancy hell
[13:39]  * Faust-C looks at both and see whats best
[13:39] <Deeps> and kayako's written by indians
[13:39] <Deeps> so they all have their downsides
[13:39] <Deeps> i'd recommend kayako over the lot though, especially if interface visuals matter
[13:39] <Faust-C> lol
[13:40] <Deeps> owned license is.. $300?
[13:40] <Faust-C> 499
[13:40] <ScottK-laptop> RT is packaged for Ubuntu so the dependency part is dealt with.
[13:40] <Faust-C> thats not bad compared to the others ive seen
[13:40] <Deeps> there's 2, the tickting only and the full supporesuite
[13:41] <Faust-C> perldesk is more expensive iirc
[13:41] <Deeps> i think the full supportsuite is $500
[13:41] <ScottK-laptop> Canonical uses it internally, so I'd guess the RT packages are in good shape.
[13:41] <Deeps> sounds like that may be your bet
[13:41] <Deeps> i did encounter some problems trying to setup RT in ubuntu though when i tried, in gutsy i think
[13:41] <Deeps> might have been an older version and needed a newer for some reason
[13:41]  * Deeps shrugs
[13:41] <Faust-C> ScottK-laptop, o rly
[13:42] <Deeps> if canonical are using it internally then the packages will be in good shape though aye
[13:42] <Deeps> if you're needing ticketting for internal issues than RT's almost definately the one to look at
[13:43] <Deeps> if external, dunno, not used it properly in a few years so it's probably less crusty than it used to be by now
[13:43] <Faust-C> internal luckly
[13:44] <Faust-C> just tired of users BCC'ing boss like thats gonna make me jump on it
[13:44] <Faust-C> tired of other depts ragging on IT saying we dont do anything and we just spend money
[13:47] <Deeps> ugh, mysql user + group has rw rights to /home/mysql, running mysqld as mysql user results in error
[13:47] <Deeps> 081212 13:46:58 [Warning] Can't create test file /home/mysql/shitbox.lower-test
[13:48] <Deeps> `touch /home/mysql/shitbox.lower-test` as mysql user works
[13:48]  * Deeps grumbles
[13:48] <Faust-C> lol
[13:53] <Deeps> oh, apparmour
[13:54] <nblracer> hello
[14:08] <incorrect> _ruben, i am looking to find the end result of an installation,  you see for some reason my preseed file says en_GB but i am getting arabic or something
[14:12] <_ruben> incorrect: use debconf-get-selections (part of debconf-utils package) to extract that data, tho those files i mentioned before will probably have that info as well (since debconf uses those)
[14:17] <incorrect> thanks
[14:19] <incorrect> grep doesn't find anything that relates to the tasksel options
[15:19] <Assid> heya
[15:22] <incorrect> can i say 'tasksel tasksel/skip-tasks      string true' in my preseed file?
[15:22] <Assid> okay i been running debian... well all my servers till date. and used ubuntu on desktops as far as that goes.. now i am considering using ubuntu server. however, i do need stability .. also a working openvz
[15:22] <Assid> and dont really need/care for gui
[15:23] <incorrect> Assid, then don't install one, server, desktop, jeos etc its all the same pretty much
[15:23] <Assid> incorrect: yeah.. just making it clear on my usages
[15:24] <Assid> to be honest. i can use etch with an old kernel.. like 2.6.18
[15:24] <_ruben> $ grep tasksel /var/www/preseed-virtual.txt
[15:24] <_ruben> tasksel tasksel/first multiselect standard, openssh-server
[15:24] <incorrect> Assid, if you install something you don't want do apt-get --purge autoremove x
[15:24] <Assid> wait for updates every now and then
[15:24] <_ruben> thats all the tasksel stuff im preseeding
[15:24] <incorrect> _ruben, its too muh for me :D
[15:24] <_ruben> standard = server packages
[15:25] <_ruben> jeos doesnt offer all that much less .. base install differs like 50megs
[15:25] <Assid> right.. but im still trying to decide on moving to ubuntu on my server.. or sticking to debian.. it has been good to me.. so far.. but would be nice to have newer software.. which perhaps in general terms run better
[15:25] <incorrect> fair enough
[15:25] <Assid> i tried lenny.. well openvz is acting rather strange
[15:25] <incorrect> maybe i am being too anal
[15:25] <Assid> i still cant get setting cpus or cpulimit
[15:25]  * Nafallo fears openvz
[15:26] <Assid> dont get me wrong.. i like ubuntu.. well.. atleast the community.. and even am part of all Release parties.. as a major seeder and mirror (unofficial)
[15:27] <Assid> http://bobbo.me.uk/index.php/intrepid-seeding/
[15:27] <Assid> Nafallo: its pretty good once you get the hang of it
[15:28] <Nafallo> Assid: I've had it fail miserably on me. not a fan.
[15:28] <Assid> hrmm works perfect here
[15:28] <Assid> what happened for you
[15:29] <Nafallo> migrated to another host, didn't start up properly, so migrated back, and the damn thing got all UIDs wrong.
[15:29] <Nafallo> mysql doesn't run well as postfix...
[15:30] <Assid> err
[15:30] <Nafallo> total bloody disaster.
[15:30] <Assid> uid actually will show as the host node uid if you login from hostnode
[15:30] <Assid> unless you ENTER the container itself
[15:30] <Assid> and i dont mean cd /var/lib/vz/private/<VE>
[15:30] <Nafallo> no. username uid
[15:31] <Nafallo> it changed the RIGHTS of all systems
[15:31] <Nafallo> what users and groups owned what and whatsnot
[15:31] <Assid> nah
[15:31] <Nafallo> yes. it did.
[15:31] <Assid> i said no.. AND THATS FINAL.. !!!!
[15:31] <Assid> lol
[15:32] <Nafallo> ...
[15:32] <Assid> your definitely doing something wrong
[15:32] <Assid> okay ..
[15:32] <incorrect> strange my preseed file keeps creating weird console settings
[15:32] <Nafallo> not anymore I'm not. not going to touch that crack again.
[15:32] <Assid> so should i use ubuntu server?
[15:32] <incorrect> just get diamonds when typing
[15:32]  * Assid starts to think
[15:32] <incorrect> Assid, if you want to
[15:32] <Assid> lemme get a os reload ordered
[15:33] <Assid> lets try it
[15:33] <Assid> is it "stable"
[15:33] <Assid> i mean really stable
[15:34] <Assid> hrmm
[15:34] <Assid> only option is hardy
[15:35] <incorrect> Assid, its only a tunip
[15:35] <Assid> tunip ?
[15:35] <incorrect> turnip
[15:36] <genii> incorrect: Did you preseed a keyboard type?
[15:36] <incorrect> if you wish try it and see if it mights your high standards
[15:36] <Assid> a fruit?
[15:36] <incorrect> genii, i did
[15:36] <incorrect> locale=en_GB console-setup/layoutcode=en_GB  from the default.cfg
[15:37] <incorrect> and d-i debian-installer/locale string en_GB.UTF-8,  d-i console-setup/charmap   select  UTF-8, d-i console-setup/layoutcode        string  gb
[15:38] <Assid> will update to intrepid
[15:39] <Deeps> Assid: 'really stable' requires a few years of testing.
[15:39] <incorrect> and why does gimp-help-common get intalled
[15:39] <Assid> alrite lets see
[15:39] <Assid> sent in a os reload
[15:40] <Assid> should have it in 10-15 mins
[15:42] <incorrect> err
[15:42] <Assid> ?
[15:50] <Assid> 10 mins more
[15:52] <Assid> you guys using ii or hh ?
[15:53] <genii> incorrect: I think console-setup/layoutcode  string en
[15:59] <incorrect> thank you
[16:00] <incorrect> lets see if this works
[16:00] <genii> incorrect: Possibly also you may need something like console-keymaps-at/keymap=gb             as well
[16:02] <genii> incorrect: On my pxelinux.cfg/default   kernel line i have some options like these
[16:02] <genii> (although in my case is set for Canada with US english keybd, etc)
[16:02] <incorrect> i've tried a number of combinations
[16:03] <incorrect> if i set it manually everything is happy
[16:03] <incorrect> shame the installer doesn't dump the preseed config after its done
[16:07] <genii> Hm
[16:07] <genii> !info pastebinit dapper
[16:08] <genii> incorrect: I was going to pastebin my preseeds and kernel load line but it's running 6.06 on that box
[16:09] <incorrect> genii, i am rebuilding my system now, i should know the results shortly
[16:09] <genii> incorrect: OK
[16:14] <incorrect> i think i need to change console-setup/layoutcode=en in my default.cfg
[16:16] <incorrect> ok lets try again
[16:18] <Assid> anyone know what kernel comes with ibex ?
[16:18] <incorrect> 2.4.3
[16:18] <Assid> 2.4.3 ???
[16:19] <incorrect> Assid, try this http://tinyurl.com/6z7hq5
[16:19] <Assid> hahahaa
[16:24] <incorrect> why on earth do package components from gimp and openoffice get installed when i do a server install?
[16:26] <Faust-C> hmm mod_perl, fastcgi, or speddycgi
[16:26] <Faust-C> which one would be better
[16:27] <leonel> if you have to serve static content  you don't need mod-perl  in the server ..
[16:27] <Faust-C> leonel, its for 'request-tracker'
[16:29] <genii> Assid: To answer your versions question I'm using headless 6.06 on a couple, 8.04 on the others
[16:29] <leonel> Faust-C: so the static  content will be serverd from  a perl handler ??
[16:30] <leonel> Faust-C: not so static ?
[16:31] <Faust-C> leonel, if 'request-tracker' requires one of the above i dont think its static
[16:32] <leonel> Faust-C: that's why I said that you don't  need mod-perl  to server static content in the httpd server
[16:33] <Faust-C> leonel, i think youre misunderstanding what im asking, http://bestpractical.com/rt/rt-broken-install.html
[16:34] <leonel> I understand that you are asking what's better and for  static content  you don't want  a mod-* in your httpd server, so , I'll go  fastcgi
[16:36] <Faust-C> leonel, oic thats what i was wanting to know, thank you very much
[16:39] <incorrect> this is getting silly, i can't get the console to to set itself correctly
[16:39] <incorrect> sigh
[16:41] <Faust-C> i swear my developers are gonna hate me
[16:41] <incorrect> they don't already?
[16:41] <Faust-C> "how come my vnc internally wont work it works at home"
[16:41] <Faust-C> why the hell are you using vnc w/o telling someone
[16:42] <Faust-C> "its encrypted"
[16:42] <genii> incorrect: Hang on I'll post what I have somehow, you can examine and see if any of it is useful
[16:42] <Faust-C> i dont care, it wont work soon
[16:42] <incorrect> thanks genii
[16:47] <netrat> i'm looking for a shared disk file system... what would you guys recommend and what is the recommended/supported solution in ubuntu? glusterfs, gfs, etc??
[16:47] <incorrect> setting the passwd using md5 doesn't seem to work either
[16:50] <genii> incorrect: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/84430/             this is for unattended 6.06 install of kubuntu and there is some custom stuff in there, but you may find some of the stuff useful
[16:54] <incorrect> i will go over that see if i can see what i've done wrong
[17:31] <ivoks> Daviey: http://ivoks.blogspot.com/2008/09/full-control-over-server.html
[17:33] <Daviey> ivoks: nice!
[17:38] <Nafallo> Daviey: I can be nice
[17:38] <Nafallo> !
[17:42] <Daviey> Nafallo: you are never nice :(
[17:43] <Nafallo> Daviey: that wasn't what you said while I scripted :-P
[17:44] <jpds> Daviey: Come to the community room.
[18:06]  * Faust-C subscribes to ivoks blog
[18:25] <Faust-C> woo still messing w/ fastcgi
[18:25] <Fenix|work> Greetings
[18:26] <Fenix|work> anyone have a handy-dandy link that shows which versions of ubuntu livecd's have which kernel version?
[18:28] <Daviey> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Dovecot  Vs. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Courier  <--- "For a first installation, the default options perfectly match most of the needs. So no modification will be done"
[18:28] <Daviey> Why are we using dovecot again?
[18:28] <jtaji> Fenix|work: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=linux-image&searchon=names&exact=1&suite=all&section=main
[18:29] <Fenix|work> jtaji, thanks!
[18:29] <Fenix|work> trying to install the qnx4fs module but it's only compatible up to 2.6.24
[18:30] <Fenix|work> so Hardy should do the trick
[18:47] <Faust-C> hmmm how do i make a link properly
[18:48] <Faust-C> atm im using "ln ../mods-available/<mod-name> <mod-name>" in mods-enabled
[18:50] <genii> Maybe use -s
[18:52] <Faust-C> yeah i just read that as you said it
[18:54] <hads> You talking about apache?
[18:55] <Faust-C> yeah
[18:55] <Faust-C> trying to get RT working
[18:55] <hads> Okay, then use a2enmod/a2dismod and a2ensite/a2dissite
[18:56] <Faust-C> i get it half working and when i load the site it says "almost there" then complains i dont have mod-perl, fastcgi or speedycgi configured
[19:09] <leonel> Faust-C: use   sudo a2enmod      to enable  apache modules
[19:09] <leonel> Faust-C: and restart apache
[19:10] <Faust-C> leonel, ty, im reading into that now
[19:10] <Faust-C> the install docs for RT arent up to date for ubuntu
[19:18] <Faust-C> well atleast now i have a forbidden rather than 'half way there' error
[19:48] <Faust-C> omg wth else do i have to do to get this to work ?!
[19:50] <Faust-C> ive done all that the docs have done and still cant get this to load
[19:50] <Faust-C> complains that i dont have a perl thing configd when i do
[20:08] <Jared555> hey, does enabling serial port console enable any security risks?
[20:09] <kees> Jared555: in general, no.  it still requires authentication, and something needs to be attached to it.
[20:10] <Jared555> does it affect ability to do at keyboard/ssh administration at all?
[20:11] <Jared555> you know I suppose I should see if the system even has a serial port LMAO
[20:13] <Jared555> well... thanks
[20:22]  * antdedyet sets up another ubuntu server
[20:22] <chimp_> Don't laugh, but I accidently made a bash script that incidently gets stuck in a loop and added via update-rc.d foo defaults, and as such it gets stuck on the script on bootup, is there a way to kill the script as ctrl-c has no effect on boot?
[20:23] <antdedyet> chimp_: ^\
[20:23] <antdedyet> chimp_: or you can find the PID and use the kill command from another terminal.
[20:26] <chimp_> Thanks for that
[20:30] <chimp_> Is there a name for things like ^\ so i can look up more of them for future use
[20:32]  * Faust-C fights w/ apache
[20:33] <Faust-C> argh this is really teeing me off
[20:49] <rickross> hi all, we're trying to get a clear sense of what differences to expect in an 8-disk RAID 5 array when using software RAID versus a hardware RAID controller like the Adaptec 5805
[20:50] <rickross> anyone know of any good benchmark reports or data to look at?
[20:53] <antdedyet> chimp_: get to know your shell
[20:53] <antdedyet> chimp_: man bash ... or zsh, ksh, csh, and so on... whatever you're running
[21:03] <Faust-C> rickross, idk how you would compare the 2
[21:03] <rickross> Faust-C: nor do I
[21:04] <Faust-C> considering they both have basic benefits and drawbacks
[21:04] <rickross> we're trying to figure it out - trying to assess whether it is a good value to spend $500+ more for a HW RAID controller or not
[21:04] <Faust-C> rickross, i would just search for a list that compares sw raid, then one that compares various hw raid as well
[21:08] <rickross> we have found data that compares the Adaptec to other hw raid controllers, but so far we have had no luck finding a comparison to a linux software raid baseline
[21:25] <rickross> ok, this might help - http://www.linux.com/feature/140734 - Benchmarking hardware RAID vs. Linux kernel software RAID
[22:00] <LeeQ> Hi all.
[22:00] <LeeQ> Anyone have any recomended reading on backing up my ubuntu server?
[22:03] <jtaji> LeeQ: look up rdiff-backup
[22:04] <LeeQ> excellent, thank you
[22:28] <Tonio_> hi there
[22:29] <nijaba> Tonio_:  meet kees, seeting two seats away ;)
[22:29] <nijaba> seating too
[22:30] <kees> heh


[00:50] <bjf> RAOF, after an a.m. dist-upgrade today, i find myself without X
[00:51] <bjf> RAOF, this is a thinkpad x301 with intel graphics
[00:51] <RAOF> Reinstall ubuntu-desktop, everything's installable now.
[00:52] <bjf> RAOF, a daily iso *does* work
[00:52] <bjf> RAOF, will give it a whirl
[00:52] <bjf> RAOF, can you also fix my btrfs on the same system :-)
[00:53] <RAOF> bjf: Did you perhaps miss the u-d@ & u-d-d@ notification a couple of days ago that X upgrades would be broken until everything was rebuilt for the new X server? :)
[00:53] <bjf> RAOF, i saw the notice, thought everything was rebuilt (I was *wrong*)
[00:54] <RAOF> Everything (well, almost everything) that needs rebuilding has now been rebuilt.
[00:54] <RAOF> In return, would you like to fix the frequent kernel oopses in iwlwifi? :)
[00:54] <bjf> RAOF, which kernel version you running?
[00:55] <RAOF> 2.6.35-2
[00:55] <RAOF> or possibly -1
[00:55] <bjf> hmmm, if -1 try -2 but I haven't seen that problem
[00:57] <RAOF> Hah.  I bet you also haven't been having kernel crashes every couple of days, either :)
[00:58] <bjf> i'm fighting a btrfs issue right now, gotta love these linux release candidates
[00:58] <RAOF> You'd have a launchpad bug already if launchpad would accept ~255MiB vmcore apport attachments.
[00:58] <bjf> lol
[06:35] <lag> Morning all!
[06:48] <jk-> hey lag
[06:48] <lag> Hey jk-
[06:48] <lag> How are you this morning?
[06:49] <jk-> not too shabby, and you?
[06:50] <lag> Yes mate, bonza ;)
[06:50] <lag> What time is it there?
[06:55] <lag> jk-: --^
[06:57] <jk-> :)
[06:57] <jk-> 1:57pm
[06:57] <lag> +7hrs
[06:57] <lag> That's not too bad
[08:32]  * apw yawns
[08:33] <abogani2> apw: good morning :-)
[08:33] <apw> moin
[08:50] <apw> heh now thats a good one ... my belkin KVM got mixed up so video and USB were switching in the opposite directions
[08:56] <abogani2> funny
[09:58] <TeTeT> hi, a customer has a problem with netbooting and installing 10.04. The last line when booting the kernel is stating 'addrconf link eth0 becomes ready'
[09:58] <TeTeT> any ideas how to add more debugging output to the kernel, so the messages become more verbose and we have a chance to figure out what's going on?
[10:03] <kraut> moin
[15:18] <apw> TeTeT, normally you remove quiet and splash, you can then up the loglevel ... loglevel=8
[15:18] <apw> may get you more, but just as likly not
[15:18] <TeTeT> apw: thanks
[15:18] <TeTeT> apw: quiet and splash was already gone
[15:19] <apw> though addrconf doesn't sound like the kernle
[15:20] <apw> do you have any capture of the lines up to the error ?
[15:48] <apw> bah how did it get to be so late already
[15:49] <tgardner> apw, what is this? http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v<IP_ADDRESS>-karmic
[15:49] <tgardner> a mis-fire?
[15:49]  * apw looks
[15:53] <apw> tgardner, yeah thats a false broken build, i'll zap it and get it rebuilt
[15:54] <tgardner> apw, how about similar 2.6.33*lucid and 2.6.34*lucid ?
[15:57] <apw> tgardner, i'll have a finger print for the issue so i should be able to get them all
[16:01] <apw> we'll  find out in a few hours if they build properly this time
[16:02]  * apw drops offline for a bit to move location
[16:16] <manjo> anyone else seeing slow network to/from emerald ?
[16:22] <ogasawara> kamal: bug 553498 came up in the release meeting today ... but based on comment #52 from yourself, it seems this should be resolved for Maverick
[16:22] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 553498 in linux (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 2 other projects) "Intel Core i3/i5/i7 hang on resume from suspend (SCI_EN) (affects: 13) (heat: 84)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/553498
[16:23] <ogasawara> kamal: the only thing is I can't see that sha1 id you noted
[16:23] <ogasawara> ~/linux-2.6$ git show 74ca255e19aac16a689d98126c935ad99a47778c
[16:23] <ogasawara> fatal: bad object 74ca255e19aac16a689d98126c935ad99a47778c
[16:23] <kamal> ogasawara: ha!  did I make it all up!?  ;-)  looking
[16:23] <ogasawara> kamal: I'm sure you're not crazy, maybe just a sha1 typo?
[16:24] <kamal> ogasawara: maybe my cut-n-paste button broke! ;-)   gotta boot my other machine -- will be just a minute.
[16:26] <tgardner> ogasawara, hmm, I pasted the same comment in the bug report :)
[16:26] <ogasawara> tgardner: heh, did you really?  maybe I can't read.  /me refreshes
[16:29] <kamal> ogasawara, tgardner:  hmmm.  When I do   git show 74ca255e19aac16a689d98126c935ad99a47778c    I do get the patch I'm talking about.
[16:29] <tgardner> kamal, what repo?
[16:30] <ogasawara> kamal: what's the patch subject?  I can search by that.
[16:30] <kamal> tgardner: I see it in my linux-2.6 and in my ubuntu-maverick repos
[16:31] <kamal> ogasawara: commit 74ca255e19aac16a689d98126c935ad99a47778c   ACPI: Unconditionally set SCI_EN on resume
[16:31] <ogasawara> tgardner: b6dacf63e9fb2e7a1369843d6cef332f76fca6a3
[16:32] <tgardner> b6dacf63e9fb2e7a1369843d6cef332f76fca6a3
[16:32] <manjo> lag, looks like you are beating the heck out of emerald
[16:33] <tgardner> ogasawara, hmm, theres a lot of patch there, but mostly ripping out code
[16:33] <ogasawara> kamal: ok looks like that was upstream as of 2.6.35-rc1.  Since we've already rebased maverick to 2.6.35-rc2 I'm going to mark the Maverick task Fix Released.
[16:34] <kamal> ogasawara: I agree
[16:34] <ogasawara> kamal: for lucid, have you tested with this patch backported?
[16:35] <kamal> ogasawara: yes, I've applied exactly that change to lucid and published a test kernel, and have positive test results from myself and from other people on the bug report.
[16:36] <lag> manjo: My build is finished
[16:36] <kamal> tgardner, ogasawara: any explanation why I see this patch with two different SHA ID's?  (the one you guys found also works in my trees).
[16:36] <manjo> lag, yes I noticed
[16:36] <manjo> lag how did you get more priority over my build task... it virtually stopped all my builds
[16:37] <tgardner> kamal, perhaps your repo is polluted. try 'git gc;git prune"
[16:37] <lag> I had the same thing with ogasawara yesterday, but the roles are reversed
[16:37] <lag> It just like the machine has a scheduling issue
[16:38] <lag> looks*
[16:38] <ogasawara> as long as it always schedules me with a higher priority I'm happy :)
[16:38] <lag> Pfft...
[16:38] <manjo> lag, and your build took 1/2 the time mine normally takes
[16:38] <lag> That's because it wasn't a clean build
[16:58] <bjf> pgraner, ping
[16:59] <pgraner> bjf: pong
[17:04] <manjo> tgardner, @selinuxfest
[17:04] <tgardner> mpoirier, manjo, lag, cnd, sconklin - bouncing emerald for new kernel <IP_ADDRESS>.7. ready soon?
[17:04] <manjo> tgardner, I have a build going
[17:04] <tgardner> manjo, lemme know  when its done
[17:05] <manjo> tgardner, ack
[17:05] <mpoirier> not good.
[17:05] <mpoirier> you're just doing to reboot ?
[17:06] <cnd> tgardner: I can be off, can you give me a 3 min heads up before you do so?
[17:06] <tgardner> mpoirier, yep, just a reboot
[17:06] <mpoirier> give me 10 minutes, just to finish compilation/git clone.
[17:07] <mpoirier> I'll touch base with you.
[17:07] <sconklin> tgardner: any time is fine for me
[17:07] <sconklin> tgardner: I had kernel builds in the lucid chroot hang yesterday during linking on emerald
[17:08] <tgardner> sconklin, which is why I'm updating the kernel. I think there are some fixes for taht
[17:08] <sconklin> great
[17:08] <lag> tgardner: I'm okay with it
[17:11] <tseliot> mjg59: so, any ideas? I'm asking you as you're the author of that moduel
[17:11] <cnd> big storm overhead, lost power once, may lose it again
[17:12] <mjg59> tseliot: What hardware is this?
[17:12] <cnd> tgardner: feel free to take the machine down anytime
[17:12] <cnd> power loss disrupted my work anyways
[17:12] <tseliot> mjg59: it's an unreleased inspiron
[17:13] <tseliot> mjg59: with fglrx and acpi_listen I get the following: video VGA2 00000081 00000000
[17:14] <tseliot> mjg59: the F1 button acts as a video switch while Fn+F1 acts as F1
[17:16] <mjg59> tseliot: Ok, so you should be getting KEY_SWITCHVIDEOMODE through the ACPI video driver
[17:16] <mjg59> Are you not?
[17:16] <tseliot> mjg59: no, I'm not. Nothing happens if I use the radeon driver instead of fglrx
[17:17] <tseliot> and no output in acpi_listen
[17:17] <mjg59> Well, then there's a bug somewhere
[17:17] <mjg59> I don't think it has anything to do with dell-wmi
[17:17] <tseliot> do you think it can be the graphics driver?
[17:17] <mjg59> Can you send me the acpidump for the machine?
[17:17] <bjf> http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/thunderbird/releases/3.1rc2/linux-i686/en-US/thunderbird-3.1rc2.tar.bz2
[17:18] <mjg59> I have NDAs with Dell
[17:18] <tseliot> mjg59: sure
[17:20] <mjg59> Anyway, lunchtime
[17:21] <tseliot> mjg59: BTW I'm also booting with acpi_osi="!Windows 2009"
[17:21] <mjg59> Why?
[17:21] <mjg59> Oh, because otherwise it sends Windows+P?
[17:21] <tseliot> yep
[17:21] <mjg59> Ok, don't bother sending me the acpidump
[17:21] <mjg59> Eh. Actually, do
[17:22] <tseliot> I will
[17:22] <mjg59><EMAIL_ADDRESS>is probably the best
[17:22] <mjg59> But I suspect that the correct fix here is "Make sure windows+p does the right thing", since we're not going to modify the kernel to disable the Windows 7 OSI string
[17:22] <tseliot> mjg59: ok, I'll send it there, thanks
[17:23] <tseliot> ah
[17:27] <tseliot> mjg59: the key also seems to send an enter key event after a few seconds (per spec)
[17:31]  * apw wanders back
[17:35] <apw> tseliot, where in the spec do you see the return being mandated
[17:35] <tgardner> mpoirier, manjo - about to bounce tyler
[17:35] <manjo> tgardner, OK
[17:35] <tseliot> apw: something worth asking mterry
[17:36] <mpoirier> I'm out of tyler
[17:36] <apw> tseliot, i don't even see the spec saying win-P is required
[17:41] <winlundn> 1364926 objects in karmic, ha. How-dee, all
[17:43] <winlundn> apw: they're doing that in ayatana
[17:43] <winlundn> voluntary
[17:44] <winlundn> just over a mil objects in jaunty. cool, I like git
[17:44] <tseliot> apw: you may want to ask mterry the same question again
[17:44] <tseliot> now that he's here
[17:45] <apw> mterry, where do we see a requirement for the return after the win-p in the windows spec
[17:46] <mterry> apw, oh, you're going to ask me hard questions.  let me try to find the reference for that
[17:46] <mterry> apw, jerone knows more on this than I do, will try to find him talking about it in email
[17:47] <apw> mterry, i've not even found a reference in any of his docs that says win-p should be generated.  only that pressing win-p produces that dialog and your button should produce the same one
[17:47] <apw> which is miles from must produce win-p
[17:48] <apw> winlundn, i don't think i understand you
[17:49] <winlundn> unrelated to what you're talking about now, I see. My mistake
[17:49] <apw> winlundn, ahh ok
[17:55] <mjg59> tseliot: Well, I see part of the problem
[17:55] <mjg59> Looks like Radeon needs to call the ATIF method
[17:55] <mjg59> I'll talk to AMD about that
[17:56] <tseliot> mjg59: thanks
[18:00] <mterry> apw, everything I know is in bug 539477.  Jerone says (comment #40) that he has a secret data sheet that recommends the logic he outlines in comment #39.   The one presentation he can link to has (slide 36) says that "modifying ACPI hot key to display Windows 7 projection hot key" is "highly recommended".  which doesn't talk about return key, but does imply that BIOS should report Super+P for the display key
[18:00] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 539477 in linux (Ubuntu) (and 4 other projects) "Video out hot key sends super + p + return on many upcoming Dell & HP systems (affects: 10) (dups: 1) (heat: 110)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/539477
[18:00] <mterry> apw, presumably Jerone can share the secret data sheet with you
[18:02] <apw> mterry, i think he has, and as i say i just cannot see what they are doing as mandated
[18:03] <mterry> apw, "what they are doing" means the return key?
[18:03] <mterry> apw, I haven't seen the data sheet.  You're saying that it's not even suggested?
[18:03]  * winlundn is always going to look at acpi and go, ``Oh that.''
[18:04] <apw> mterry, i don't even see the wording meaning you need to win-p at all, cirtainly there was nothing saying anything about also hitting return for the user
[18:04] <apw> it is a god awful idea
[18:05] <mterry> apw, agreed.  :)  slide 36 has the language I quoted.  That doesn't strike you as suggesting Super+P?
[18:05] <mterry> apw, to my eyes it directly says as much
[18:05] <apw> it says what super-p will produce, and says any magic key should produce the same dialog
[18:06] <apw> i don't see words saying tehy are the same
[18:06] <mterry> apw, no, it says any magic key should "display win7 projection hot key"
[18:06] <mterry> apw, it doesn't say anything about a dialog there
[18:06] <apw> it says display, not type or send
[18:06] <apw> and even if i am very generous and accept that win-p is required
[18:06] <apw> read me the bit about return being required
[18:07] <mterry> apw, agreed.  But it also says hot key.  And if it was intended that the dialog come up for the magic key, it would be done on win7 side, no need to ask bios people to change anything
[18:07] <mterry> apw, so it sounds like they are asking bios people to change reported hot key
[18:08] <mterry> apw, (I mean, if MS wanted dialog to come up for old VIDEOSWITCHMODE key press, they could do it themselves, don't know why that request would be directed at BIOS people)
[18:08] <apw> i don't agree, but that is imeterial to my point which is the extra return is not mentioned, and that would be a sane thing to do in the win7 side if desired
[18:08] <apw> ie if the dialog should be self answering why would win7 not do that, why would the bios need to be involved
[18:09] <winlundn> aye, metric
[18:09] <mterry> apw, well, Jerone says that the return behavior is clearly spelled out in his secret data sheet.  You say you've seen this sheet but don't agree.    Which I agree is a crazy requirement to have to meet
[18:12] <winlundn> mterry: yes, from what I understand that's bridging that where it's un-needed
[18:23] <apw> tgardner, the first rebuild just completed, looking good
[18:24] <tgardner> apw, ack
[18:25] <apw> right beer time ... see yo lot
[18:27] <tgardner> apw, havea good weekend
[18:27] <ogasawara> Mmmm beer
[18:27] <tgardner> ogasawara, you wish.
[18:28] <ogasawara> tgardner: I'm still going through withdrawl
[19:36] <philsf> hi, I can't get my bluetooth adapter to be recognized with Lucid's 2.6.32 kernels. The last one I got it working it, was the 2.6.31 from beta stage. I also lost ability to use my wifi killswitch (which also works with the old .31). How can I debug this, so can I open a proper bug? Sorry for asking here, but no one answered in #ubuntu
[19:39] <manjo> philsf, does lsusb list anything ?
[19:40] <philsf> manjo, nope
[19:40] <manjo> philsf, what adapter is it ?
[19:40] <manjo> philsf, what make model of laptop ?
[19:40] <philsf> hmm, I think I'll have to reboot in 2.6.31 to see what module it uses
[19:41] <philsf> it's an Asus EEEpc 1005HA
[19:41] <philsf> netbook
[19:41] <manjo> philsf, yep please do
[19:41] <philsf> ok, I'll check back here then, thanks
[19:41] <manjo> that will be the easiest way to find out what device/driver we are missing
[19:45] <manjo> philsf, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/+bug/416487
[19:45] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 416487 in bluez (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Bluetooth Doesnt Work - Eee PC 1005HA-P (affects: 5) (dups: 1) (heat: 32)" [Undecided,Won't fix]
[19:46] <philsf> manjo, lsusb gives now Bus 005 Device 002: ID 0b05:b700 ASUSTek Computer, Inc. Broadcom Bluetooth 2.1
[19:46] <philsf> wontfix?
[19:46] <manjo> philsf, a while back I found the problem with bios that prevented bluetooth
[19:46] <manjo> philsf, please look at the bug see if that is the same you are experiencing
[19:47] <philsf> I will. what about the radio killswitch, is it the same problem?
[19:48] <manjo> philsf, not sure about radio kill switch... I think there was a recent patch for it ...
[19:51] <philsf> manjo, it looks like the same issue, I'll try upgrading the bios, thanks
[19:52] <manjo> tgardner, build on emerald still hangs (mine hangs in [LD]
[19:52] <manjo> philsf, cool!
[19:54] <jjohansen> -> Lunch
[20:17] <bladernr> Can someone clarify something for me about the time stamping in kernel messages?
[20:17] <bladernr> Jun 11 11:46:02 klaatu kernel: [  184.568662] ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.0: PCI INT A disabled
[20:17] <bladernr> am I correct in reading that as 184.5 seconds since boot?
[20:17] <manjo> does any one know what this means ? chroot: cannot run command `mount': Exec format error
[20:18] <manjo> I get this when I try to create my chroot env using the build-chroot scripts
[20:18] <phunge0> bladernr: yes i believe it's since boot
[20:19] <bladernr> any way to reset that without a reboot?  Because, according to my logs (64 bit 10.04) I have been running either a few thousand seconds or over 18 billion seconds...
[20:21] <bladernr> Here'e one example: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/448373/
[20:23] <bladernr> And here's some showing just before entering S3, and just after starting the resume: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/448374/
[20:24] <tgardner> bladernr, it sounds like your TSC is getting wonky. its a known problem on some classes of CPU. Atom for example.
[20:24] <bladernr> Hrmmm... ok.  It's a quad core i7...
[20:25] <bladernr> Oddly enough, my atom based netbook doesn't seem to have this issue
[20:37] <kees> ogasawara: so, I take it maverick's tree rebased recently.  how should I deal with this for my local trees?  "git pull" alone doesn't seem to cut it.
[20:37] <ogasawara> kees: yep, we rebased to 2.6.35-rc2 a few days ago
[20:37] <ogasawara> kees: you should be able to git fetch origin
[20:38] <tgardner> kees, if you've no local changes then 'git fetch origin master;git reset --hard FETCH_HEAD'
[20:39] <kees> tgardner: gotcha, yeah.
[20:42]  * ogasawara lunch
[20:47] <kees> tgardner: and how do I rebase local branches that are based on the now-rebased maverick?
[20:47] <tgardner> kees, git checkout -f YOUR_BRANCH;git rebase master
[20:48] <tgardner> kees, if they are in the same repo
[20:49] <kees> that fails for me.
[20:49] <tgardner> rebase conflicts?
[20:49] <kees> not from my changes.  my change was a single commit on top of regular maverick, and now it's yelling about merge conflicts in debian/*
[20:50] <lag-mobile> Can you do cross-repo rebasing?
[20:50] <kees> $ git rebase maverick
[20:50] <kees> First, rewinding head to replay your work on top of it...
[20:50] <kees> Applying: UBUNTU: Fold down debian for ubuntu-m
[20:50] <kees> Using index info to reconstruct a base tree...
160857: trailing whitespace.
[20:50] <kees> ....
[20:50] <kees> *boom*
[20:50] <kees> and that rewind took a looong time
[20:51] <kees> I assume it tried to find the branch point and re-applied the entire old maverick stack to the rebased maverick stack.
[20:51] <kees> how do I tell it "throw away all of this except my top commit" ?
[20:51] <tgardner> kees, ah. then the simplest thing to do is restore your original branch and save off your local patch; git checkout -f YOUR_BRANCH;git format-patch -1;git fetch origin master;git reset --hard FETCH_HEAD;git am 0*
[20:52] <tgardner> kees, does that make sense?
[20:53] <kees> tgardner: yeah.  though it seems a bit clumsy.  I was hoping to automate this, so "-1" won't always be correct.  hmmm
[20:53] <tgardner> kees, it is clumsy, but its conceptually simple (for me at least)
[20:53] <kees> yeah
[20:58] <kees> tgardner: oh, actually, can't I use FETCH_HEAD as the cut-off for doing the format-patch, since it was set during the last fetch?
[20:59] <tgardner> kees, I'm not sure that makes sense because your local patches are relative to HEAD.
[21:00] <kees> hm.
[21:00] <tgardner> kees, once we stop messing with the debian cruft then rebasing will likely work better.
[21:02] <kees> I mean, if I do this:  git checkout master; git fetch origin master;git reset --hard FETCH_HEAD; git checkout -b test-branch; *work*commit*; git checkout master; git fetch origin master;git reset --hard FETCH_HEAD; git checkout test-branch.  isn't FETCH_HEAD here equal to where I started my work? as in FETCH_HEAD through HEAD are my local patches, so I could do git format-patch FETCH_HEAD; git fetch origin master;git reset --hard FETCH_HEAD;git am
[21:03] <tgardner> kees, you're making my head hurt.
[21:03]  * kees blames git
[21:03] <kees> also, I think git am is lossy, in that it starts ignoring text after a --- line
[21:04] <tgardner> kees, which is why I never use it unless its been a 'git format-patch' created file
[21:05] <kees> well... i have format-patch'd patches that include --- for the purpose of having "am" drop the text after it when someone upstream takes my patch (i.e. I have the patch version history after ---), but I don't want to lose it locally.  that said, I think rebase might be able to do a "from, to" kind of a thing here.
[21:05]  * kees goes off to dig
[21:10] <kees> I think some combination of --onto and --root is needed
[23:00] <kees> hm.  .35 doesn't boot for me.
[23:00] <kees> seems to hang the system
[23:11] <jjohansen> kees: well it is only at RC2
[23:12] <kees> but it's been uploaded to the archive...
[23:36]  * bjf is headed to work out


[13:56] <daker> newz2000, ping
[14:05] <daker> newz2000, well the anchors here http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/locallanguage are not working
[14:07] <daker> other thing Hebrew and Arabic should separated
[14:07] <daker> be*
[14:08] <daker> the Hebrew is ubuntu-il
[14:08] <daker> and the Arabic is ubuntu-ma, ubuntu-dz, ubuntu-eg, ubuntu-tn
[14:31] <newz2000> hey daker, let me look into that, give me just a few min


[19:21] <Unit193> Hrm, I think the patch in Debain 977335 should be applied. :3
[19:22] <Unit193> Debian 977335, rather.


[00:00] <cjwatson> well, yes, that should be d-i, but again that ought not to break console-setup or locales in any way
[00:00] <cjwatson> and indeed the standard task is installed by default even if you don't preseed it
[00:00] <cilkay> I've reverted to the wrong version and doing another installation.
[00:01] <cilkay> Let's see if the keyboard mapping is broken again.
[00:01] <cilkay> It should be.
[00:05] <cilkay> I see lang-pack-en-base being configured so that should be sufficient.
[00:08] <cilkay> Oh dear! Reverted to the previously broken setup and it's working. Very strange.
[00:08] <cilkay> I did over a dozen broken installations before and now I have no idea what I did to fix it.
[00:09] <cilkay> Nor do I have any idea of how to break it again.
[00:09] <cilkay> That's very disturbing.
[00:09] <cilkay> I have the preseed file open in Kate so all I had to do was Undo the changes I had made before to "fix" the problem.
[00:10] <cilkay> cjwatson: ^^
[00:28] <cilkay> To further complicate matters, I have to install language support for French, Spanish, and Mandarin but make en_CA.UTF-8 the default.
[00:29] <cilkay> The school in which these machines are going to be used is a bilingual (English/French) school and offers Mandarin or Spanish for third language.
[00:30] <cilkay> I wonder if the "fix" had anything to do with my apt-cacher cache being primed.
[00:36] <cjwatson> the standard way to do the latter would be 'd-i localechooser/supported-locales string fr_FR.UTF-8, es_ES.UTF-8, zh_CN.UTF-8', in case you don't already have that
[00:37] <cjwatson> err, multiselect not string
[00:37] <cjwatson> (not that that's hugely important)
[00:42] <cilkay> cjwatson: Is the reason you didn't list en_CA in supported-locales because it's the default?
[00:42] <cjwatson> mistake :)
[00:43] <cilkay> ah, ok
[00:43] <cilkay> So how is the default set?
[00:43] <cjwatson> debian-installer/locale (or locale= on the command line)
[00:43] <cilkay> I can manage in three out of four of those languages but I have a bit of a problem with zh_CN. :)
[00:44] <cjwatson> pkgsel is probably buggy for not making sure the langpack corresponding to debian-installer/locale is always installed
[00:44] <cilkay> Should I explicitly specify the English langpack then?
[00:45] <cjwatson> d-i localechooser/supported-locales multiselect en_CA.UTF-8, fr_FR.UTF-8, es_ES.UTF-8, zh_CN.UTF-8
[00:45] <cjwatson> localechooser/supported-locales is used to decide which language packs to install
[00:45] <cilkay> yes, that's what I have
[00:45] <cjwatson> (if it's set; otherwise pkgsel falls back to debian-installer/locale)
[00:45] <cilkay> Oh, so it's not necessary to explicitly specify the langpack once I have supported-locales?
[00:45] <cjwatson> that's correct
[00:54] <CIA-14> casper: TheMuso * r551 casper/ (3 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[00:54] <CIA-14> casper: * scripts/casper-bottom/30accessibility &
[00:54] <CIA-14> casper:  ubiquity-hooks/30accessibility:
[00:54] <CIA-14> casper:  - Revert to using gconf keys for starting orca, as this is now what
[00:54] <CIA-14> casper:  orca does when the user chooses to automatically start orca from Orca's
[00:54] <CIA-14> casper:  preferences window.
[00:54] <CIA-14> casper:  - Explicitly set orca as the program to start up for magnification,
[00:54] <TheMuso> if nobody has any more to do with casper, I'll release/upload.
[01:16] <cjwatson> I don't
[01:19] <TheMuso> ok will wait till LP is back up again and push.
[01:24] <CIA-14> casper: TheMuso * r552 casper/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.148
[01:27] <cjwatson> TheMuso: hmm, it looks like evand had already released a 1.148 earlier but forgotten to commit the release
[01:28] <cjwatson> TheMuso: see bug 274076 - I guess you'll get a rejection
[01:28] <TheMuso> cjwatson: oh...
[01:28]  * TheMuso looks.
[01:29]  * TheMuso sighs. Right, I'll fix the changelog.
[01:32] <CIA-14> casper: TheMuso * r553 casper/debian/changelog:
[01:32] <CIA-14> casper: * Move my changes to a new release version, since 1.148 was uploaded without
[01:32] <CIA-14> casper:  being officially marked as released in the bzr branch.
[01:33] <CIA-14> casper: TheMuso * r554 casper/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.149
[01:57] <cilkay> One more thing to preseed: I just did a complete installation of KDE and various packages, all preseed. On first boot, the X server locks the machine up hard. E.g. the NumLock key has no effect. I can't ssh into the host. All I can do is a hard power-off and power-on.
[01:58] <cilkay> How would I preseed the X configuration? I just used the default configuration provided by the example preseed file.
[01:59] <cilkay> I'm rebooting the machine in recovery mode so that I can run xfix.
[01:59] <cilkay> I've found this to be a common problem with K/Ubuntu, btw.
[02:01] <cilkay> xfix did the trick but I'd rather not have to go through that step for each of the ~ 50 machines in the school.
[02:02] <cilkay> K/Ubuntu's monitor detection mechanism doesn't seem to be as good as Mandriva's, for example, because the screen resolution is never quite right.
[02:02] <cilkay> It never seems to detect the monitor either. I just get a generic monitor.
[02:02] <cilkay> I'm using fairly old ViewSonic and Dell units that are detected first time, every time by Mandriva.
[02:02] <cilkay> ... or Fedora.
[02:03] <cilkay> E.g. my screen resolution is set to 1280x768, which is some weird mode for a conventional 15" ViewSonic CRT.
[06:02] <evand> xivulon: done
[06:02] <evand> TheMuso: sorry about that, I normally use bound branches but didn't have that one set up as such.
[06:03] <TheMuso> evand: np.
[07:57] <davmor2> evand: ping
[07:58] <evand> davmor2: pong
[08:00] <davmor2> evand: Morning Dude.  Alt upgrade wasn't it?  and will it need internet access or do you want it removing?
[08:00] <evand> alt upgrade?  I don't follow.
[08:00] <evand> good morning
[08:02] <davmor2> oh was it mvo who asked then :-/ gets confused now.  Someone asked me yesterday if I could do a cd upgrade today I thought it was you.
[08:02] <superm1> xivulon, the network manager fix should be in the archive now, so wubi/mythbuntu frontend should be sane
[08:02] <superm1> xivulon, if I was to do some more testing with it, what's the latest .exe I want to try from?
[08:03] <evand> davmor2: I asked if you could re-test a Kubuntu desktop install and see if you're still not seeing the finished dialog.
[08:04] <davmor2> yes done seems okay but I'll double check today to be certain :)
[08:05] <davmor2> evand: the partitioner ui now is more sane :) and I'll check out manual again today too and check that that fix is in :)
[08:06] <evand> hooray
[08:52] <CIA-14> usb-creator: evand * r39 usb-creator/ (bin/usb-creator setup.py): Bump to 0.1.8
[09:01] <CIA-14> usb-creator: evand * r40 usb-creator/debian/changelog: releasing version 0.1.8
[09:57] <CIA-14> ubiquity: evand * r2907 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog scripts/install.py): Remove broken CD-ROM entries from fstab after install (LP: #150872).
[09:57] <evand> cjwatson: ^ can you review the above when you have a moment.
[11:17] <xivulon> superm1 you need to use wubi rev 512
[11:19] <xivulon> davmor2 can you please test the latest wubi, the latest ISO should hopefully have all the fixes in (assuming wubi rev 512)
[11:20] <persia> Would someone mind looking at lp:~persia/casper/trunk ?  It's not critical, but I'd like to get it included in intrepid.
[11:27] <cjwatson> evand: the only comment I have is was it intentional to discard compatibility with python 2.4?
[11:27] <cjwatson> evand: otherwise I think it should be fine
[11:28] <cjwatson> evand: try: except: finally: is new in python 2.5; in earlier versions you had to use constructions like this instead:
[11:28] <cjwatson> try:
[11:28] <cjwatson>     try:
[11:28] <cjwatson>     ...
[11:28] <cjwatson> (oops, pretend that ... was indented again)
[11:28] <cjwatson>     except FooException:
[11:28] <cjwatson>         ...
[11:28] <cjwatson> finally:
[11:28] <cjwatson>     ...
[11:29] <cjwatson> evand: ah, interesting, you have the same construction in generate_blacklist - I think we should probably fix that, our dependencies still say python 2.4 and I suspect there are a few backporting maniacs
[14:03] <evand> ah indeed.  I was aware that finally was 2.5, but I didn't think we cared :).  Noted, I'll fix that.
[15:30] <cjwatson> persia: merged
[15:30] <persia> cjwatson, Thank you.  Mostly cosmetic, but should improve the experience until I can sort out supporting multiple users.
[15:31] <cjwatson> persia: bet you didn't test it though ;-)
[15:31] <cjwatson> I just fixed a syntax error
[15:33] <persia> Yeah :/  I need to sort out how to build images properly locally.  My test involved applying a patch and updating the initramfs in a chroot, and I suppose I messed up the timing of patch application.
[15:33] <persia> Thanks for fixing it :)
[15:34] <persia> Ah.  s/:/;/ again.
[15:57] <abli> Hi! Is the source of the netinst cd images available somewhere? Or instructions about how could I build such a CD image?
[16:01] <evand> abli: please install the installation-guide-i386 package and read through that (/usr/share/doc/installation-guide-i386/)
[16:02] <cjwatson> Ubuntu has no such thing as a netinst CD image; that's a term with a very specific meaning in Debian
[16:02] <cjwatson> we have a netboot CD image, which may be what you are thinking of; it's built by the debian-installer source package
[16:03] <abli> ah, yes, that was what I was looking for.
[16:08] <abli> is it possible to run the text-mode installer (that the netboot cd image runs) from a live cd (maybe a custom live cd)? or how much work would be to create a custom version of that installer to be able to run like this? (I assume this is already how it runs: the CD image boots some minimal system and the installer runs in that system. How difficult would it be to make it run  in a more complete system?) I am basically looking for a text-mode version
[16:08] <abli> of the default "install from live cd with graphical installer"; the idea is that I want to be able to run the installer in 'screen'
[16:08] <cjwatson> as a guideline, ubiquity took approximately six man-months of development effort to become even barely acceptable
[16:09] <cjwatson> so no, it's not trivial to just run d-i in a live session
[16:09] <cjwatson> that's what ubiquity is for
[16:09] <abli> but ubiquitiy is gui-only, right?
[16:09] <cjwatson> d-i expects to own the system entirely, not to be running inside a normal init-based environment
[16:09] <cjwatson> not inherently; it has multiple frontends
[16:10] <cjwatson> there isn't one at the moment, but you could write a text frontend
[16:10] <cjwatson> I mean, you can try to do it with d-i, I just predict you will run into some interesting problems :-)
[16:11] <cjwatson> and you'd have to add something like Debian's live-installer component to copy the live filesystem across, which has never been tested on Ubuntu and may not interact with casper very well
[16:11] <cjwatson> Debian have been trying to do this, I don't really like the approach though
[16:13] <abli> Ok. Then what is your suggestion for implementing the following: I would like to be able to boot from a CD (or USB), format and partition disks if needed, by hand, then launch the installer to in a screen session, then be able to attach to that screen session over ssh. Write a text frontend for  ubiquity?
[16:14] <cjwatson> honestly, I'm not sure which of (d-i + porting live-installer + debugging undefined set of issues) or (writing a text frontend for ubiquity + figuring out how to make it look reasonable) would be easier. :-)
[16:14] <cjwatson> do whichever you prefer
[16:15] <abli> Ok. I'll think a bit more about this. Thanks for your suggestions
[16:16] <cjwatson> sorry to be brief but I'm trying to figure out intrepid bugs at the moment :)
[16:32] <CIA-14> oem-config: cjwatson * r543 oem-config/ (debian/changelog lib/components/language.py):
[16:32] <CIA-14> oem-config: Reset debian-installer/country if the language is changed, as otherwise
[16:32] <CIA-14> oem-config: we can end up defaulting to an inappropriate country for the language.
[16:34] <CIA-14> oem-config: cjwatson * r544 oem-config/ (debian/changelog lib/components/timezone.py):
[16:34] <CIA-14> oem-config: Stop defaulting to the timezone from /etc/timezone or /etc/localtime, as
[16:34] <CIA-14> oem-config: this has a nasty habit of overriding the usual defaults for countries
[16:34] <CIA-14> oem-config: with multiple timezone choices (LP: #283861).
[16:43] <evand> before you release that, would you mind if I squeezed an update to zoommap.py from ubiquity in?
[16:57] <cjwatson> not at all
[16:57] <cjwatson> I was waiting for a translations export anyway
[16:57] <CIA-14> oem-config: cjwatson * r545 oem-config/ (configure configure.ac): bump to 1.52
[17:00] <xivulon> evand can you please double check the URLs in wubi/data/isolist.ini?
[17:03] <evand> Xubuntu is missing the current symlink
[17:03] <evand> Mythbuntu throws a 404
[17:03] <evand> But Ubuntu and Kubuntu look ok (for the fallback, obviously the first link wont work with the final 8.10 images not being up)
[17:04] <superm1> if mythbuntu is throwing a 404 still, xivulon can you come into #ubuntu-mythtv-dev and bug tgm4883 to fix that?
[17:06] <evand> I'm convinced it's near-impossible to get a working DVD image out :/
[17:07] <CIA-14> oem-config: evand * r546 oem-config/ (debian/changelog lib/zoommap.py):
[17:07] <CIA-14> oem-config: * Pull timezone map changes from ubiquity:
[17:07] <CIA-14> oem-config:  - Iterate through a list of nearby timezones on click, rather than
[17:07] <CIA-14> oem-config:  selecting the absolute closest timezone to the pointer.
[17:07] <CIA-14> oem-config:  - Stop scrolling the timezone map once the mouse is outside its
[17:07] <CIA-14> oem-config:  boundaries (LP: 251231).
[17:13] <superm1> evand, tgm4883 just fixed something that should have helped for the 404 on mythbuntu, can you try once more
[17:14] <superm1> evand, if it's not working, can you give tgm4883_laptop a little more details/context which part about it doesn't work?
[17:15] <evand> it's not, I'll message him
[17:15] <tgm4883_laptop> frick, it's not going to work
[17:15] <evand> er oh
[17:15] <evand> here you are
[17:15] <evand> metalink=http://www.mythbuntu.org/releases/mythbuntu-8.10-desktop-amd64.metalink
[17:15] <evand> metalink2=http://www.mythbuntu.org/devel/dailies/current/intrepid-desktop-amd64.metalink
[17:15] <evand> is what xivulon has in data/isolist.ini
[17:16] <tgm4883_laptop> bah
[17:16] <tgm4883_laptop> let me fix that then real quick, it should still fail, but much later
[17:17] <tgm4883_laptop> ok, now that i've got both metalink files there
[17:18] <tgm4883_laptop> that part should work, but IIRC, the iso download will fail because the daily iso isn't where it's supposed to be
[17:18] <evand> cjwatson: have you given any thought to the problem of the live filesystems rarely getting regenerated on account of broken packages?  Nag emails on failure to the appropriate package maintainer (which fails on ubuntu-devel@) has been the best idea I could come up with.
[17:19] <cjwatson> not really; the way live filesystems are lashed up in cdimage right now makes proper notifications a bit tricky
[17:20] <evand> hmm, indeed
[17:20] <cjwatson> we should maybe be a bit more aggressive about failing CD builds when the livefs fails
[17:20] <cjwatson> that would punt the problem up one more layer and make it easier to see
[17:20] <persia> Perhaps it's just a matter of being more aggressive about archive-consistency cleanup generally?
[17:21] <cjwatson> well, yes, but it does help when we're notified quickly of problems
[17:22] <evand> Indeed, I think failing CD builds would be a good start.
[17:25] <evand> Is this is worth a proper discussion at UDS?  I suspect the fact that we haven't had a working DVD since the 7th of October is causing a lot of headaches.
[17:25] <evand> err s/working/updated/
[17:33]  * cjwatson adds "proper notifications on live filesystem build failures" to his UDS list
[17:33] <cjwatson> I think it might be a bit light for a full session though, unless there's more similar stuff
[17:34] <tgm4883_laptop> evand, is wubi still failing on the mythbuntu installs?\
[17:34] <evand> indeed, perhaps we (or I, given the circumstances) could just gather interested parties during lunch or talk about it as part of one of the morning sessions.
[17:35] <evand> tgm4883_laptop: I've never tried a Wubi mythbuntu install.  My Windows VMs have been broken for ages.
[17:35] <evand> But that link still doesn't wokr.
[17:35] <evand> work*
[17:35] <tgm4883_laptop> ah I see it now
[17:35] <tgm4883_laptop> yea the links wrong
[17:35] <persia> Does it need a UDS session?  I'd think a mail to ubuntu-devel@ ought be enough, just to see if anyone finds value in updating the images when the livefs isn't updated.
[17:35] <tgm4883_laptop> well
[17:36] <tgm4883_laptop> it's kinda wrong I guess, as the naming doesn't follow the ubuntu daily name
[17:36] <evand> persia: good point, I'd be satisfied with that
[17:36] <tgm4883_laptop> should be http://www.mythbuntu.org/devel/dailies/current/mythbuntu-desktop-amd64.metalink
[17:36] <tgm4883_laptop> not http://www.mythbuntu.org/devel/dailies/current/intrepid-desktop-amd64.metalink
[17:36] <evand> tgm4883_laptop: noted, will change
[17:36] <cjwatson> persia: or a bug on ubuntu-cdimage ...
[17:36] <tgm4883_laptop> ok, thanks
[17:37] <tgm4883_laptop> evand, wait, thats wrong too.  http://www.mythbuntu.org/devel/dailies/current/mythbuntu-8.10-desktop-amd64.metalink
[17:37] <tgm4883_laptop> sorry about that
[17:38] <persia> cjwatson, That works too, although I'd like ubuntu-devel@ would have a wider audience.
[17:38] <tgm4883_laptop> should be that for i386 too
[17:38] <cjwatson> persia: *nod*
[17:39] <tgm4883_laptop> evand,  http://www.mythbuntu.org/devel/dailies/current/mythbuntu-8.10-desktop-amd64.metalink    http://www.mythbuntu.org/devel/dailies/current/mythbuntu-8.10-desktop-i386.metalink  and in case it matters  http://mythbuntu.org/devel/dailies/current/mythbuntu-8.10-metalink.md5sum
[17:45] <evand> ok, I'll start a thread then
[18:02] <xivulon> evand Xubuntu doesn't seem to have a "current" symlink going at the moment, not much I can do myself
[18:02] <xivulon> mythbuntu seems to be working though, unless they fixed it after your comment
[18:02] <xivulon> most important is that the first metalink for each distro is correct
[18:03] <cjwatson> no current symlink> which means CD builds have failed for days at a time
[18:04] <cjwatson> hmm, something bizarre there with mirror syncing, I'll look later
[18:10] <evand> xivulon: are you sure mythbuntu is working?  Both links in isolist.ini for it are 404s
[18:13] <xivulon> ah I was looking only at the dir of the URL http://www.mythbuntu.org/devel/dailies/current the actual file name is different, I was using the standard naming convention intrepid-desktop-i386.metalink
[18:14] <evand> ah, well I've updated the metalinks for mythbuntu
[18:14] <evand> and will put a new wubi up
[18:15] <xivulon> ok, the other route is to change the daily iso names on mythbuntu servers to match ubuntu naming convention (not that I am a big fan of it...)
[18:17] <evand> new wubi is up
[18:18] <xivulon> thx
[19:02] <xivulon> artwork suggested to remove the shadow in wubi graphics, can I add that in?
[19:03] <evand> xivulon: I have no objections, but you should probably take it to the release and documentation teams.
[19:04] <xivulon> if I can find the svg will do so
[19:07] <xivulon> I am wondering how syncio in ntfs affects swap performance, does caching have a role in swap file writes?
[19:15] <superm1> xivulon, i got someone who tried doing a mythbuntu/wubi with the latest daily of mythbuntu and wubi 5.12, it's bailing out on grub4dos for him though.  i'm not really sure how to help debug it
[19:15] <superm1> would you be able to come take a look?
[19:24] <xivulon> superm1 have to go now, can you tell him to post in the wubi forum?
[19:24] <xivulon> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=234
[19:24] <superm1> xivulon, sure
[19:26] <CIA-14> console-setup: cjwatson * r78 ubuntu/debian/ (16 files in 2 dirs): Run debconf-updatepo to update translation files.
[19:38] <CIA-14> oem-config: cjwatson * r547 oem-config/debian/ (18 files in 2 dirs): Update translations from Launchpad.
[19:40] <CIA-14> user-setup: cjwatson * r123 ubuntu/debian/ (13 files in 2 dirs): Update translations from Launchpad.
[19:41] <CIA-14> user-setup: cjwatson * r124 ubuntu/debian/changelog: correct changelog
[19:43] <CIA-14> debian-installer: cjwatson * r975 ubuntu/ (33 files in 2 dirs): Update help text translations from Launchpad.
[19:43] <CIA-14> user-setup: cjwatson * r125 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.20ubuntu10
[19:45] <CIA-14> oem-config: cjwatson * r548 oem-config/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog): Automatic update of included source packages: user-setup 1.20ubuntu10.
[19:46] <CIA-14> oem-config: cjwatson * r549 oem-config/debian/changelog: fix bug-closing syntax
[19:49] <CIA-14> oem-config: cjwatson * r550 oem-config/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.52
[20:03] <CIA-14> debian-installer: cjwatson * r976 ubuntu/ (15 files in 5 dirs):
[20:03] <CIA-14> debian-installer: Use unversioned nic-firmware and scsi-firmware packages instead of the
[20:03] <CIA-14> debian-installer: old versioned ones (LP: #220917).
[20:11] <CIA-14> debian-installer: cjwatson * r977 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20080522ubuntu20
[20:40] <xivulon_> cjwatson, re the X freeze, I do not end up with much of an xorg.conf at all...
[20:41] <xivulon_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/58489/
[20:41] <xivulon_> is this expected/known or do I need to dig further?
[20:42] <cjwatson> that's normal nowadays
[20:42] <cjwatson> I suggest asking #ubuntu-x for help anyway
[20:42] <cjwatson> but nowadays X is meant to detect most things itself
[20:43]  * xivulon_ feels old
[20:44] <xivulon_> I'll see if I can reproduce in vm
[21:03] <CIA-14> usb-creator: evand * r41 usb-creator/ (debian/changelog scripts/install.py): Write syslinux configuration to text.cfg as well.
[21:59] <xivulon_> X in vm is perfectly fine
[22:10] <xivulon_> in a normal installation what is the default grub timeout?
[22:11] <xivulon_> I get 10 secs in wubi, seems a bit high
[22:29] <cjwatson> xivulon_: 3 seconds if no other operating systems are installed, 10 if they are
[22:29] <cjwatson> I think that makes sense in general, it's not ridiculously long but it gives people a chance to think
[22:36] <xivulon_> I see, of course windows will be detected that is why it is 10 secs, even though in wubi case that is going to be the second boot menu
[22:36] <TheMuso_> cjwatson: 275233 was already targeted afaik, at least I remember seeing it in the list of bugs in the meeting on Wednesday.
[22:37] <xivulon_> since ntldr is used to choose between ubuntu and wubi, menu.lst is mostly used to choose a different kernel or rescue mode
[22:37] <xivulon_> s/between ubuntu/between windows/
[22:37] <cjwatson> yeah, I'm not honestly sure it's worth the complexity to spot that though
[22:37] <xivulon_> true
[22:38] <TheMuso_> woops meant for devel but oh well.
[22:38] <cjwatson> TheMuso: no, I think it was a different bug
[22:38] <cjwatson> on pulseaudio rather than libcanberra
[22:38] <TheMuso> cjwatson: Right.
[22:39] <cjwatson> unless it got reassigned but I don't see that from the activity log
[23:08] <CIA-14> debian-installer: cjwatson * r978 ubuntu/ (build/config/lpia.cfg debian/changelog): Move lpia to 2.6.27-4 kernels.
[23:31] <CIA-14> debian-installer: cjwatson * r979 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20080522ubuntu21


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[15:03] <Ursinha> henninge is mia
[15:03] <rockstar> me (barely)
[15:03] <Ursinha> :)
[15:03] <Ursinha> well, no issues for translations, so no much of a problem
[15:03] <Ursinha> alright
[15:04] <Ursinha> [TOPIC] Agenda
[15:04] <Ursinha>  * Actions from last meeting
[15:04] <Ursinha>  * Oops report & Critical Bugs-
[15:04] <Ursinha>  * Operations report (mthaddon/herb/spm)
[15:04] <Ursinha>  * DBA report (DBA contact)
[15:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  Agenda
[15:04] <Ursinha> [TOPIC] * Actions from last meeting
[15:04] <Ursinha>  1) matsubara to remove the next meeting from the agenda and add a note to the MeetingAgenda page that it should be added again when we need to change the time
[15:04] <Ursinha>  2) TL (sinzui, flacoste, bigjools) to send people to cover for them due the TL meeting next week (26th to 30th Jan)
[15:04] <Ursinha>  3) matsubara to file bugs for OOPS-1116EC265 (bug 320293), OOPS-1113EB6 (bug 276144)
[15:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  * Actions from last meeting
[15:04] <Ursinha> 1 - I did that. From now on to discuss meeting time changes just add it to the list of meeting topics, on MeetingAgenda page
[15:04] <Ursinha> 2 - okay as well
[15:04] <Ursinha> next!
[15:05] <Ursinha> [TOPIC] * Oops report & Critical Bugs
[15:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  * Oops report & Critical Bugs
[15:05] <Ursinha> three oopses and one bug
[15:05] <Ursinha> the oopses
[15:05] <Ursinha> MissingMergeDirective: OOPS-1125CEMAIL1
[15:05] <Ursinha> this is yours rockstar?
[15:05]  * Ursinha kicks ubottu
[15:05] <rockstar> Ursinha, I can look at it
[15:06] <Ursinha> rockstar, thanks
[15:06] <Ursinha> bac, to registry: OOPS-1125A165, OOPS-1125A1096 - this second one is the same in the email sinzui sent to barry
[15:06] <henninge> me!
[15:07] <Ursinha> hi henninge!
[15:07] <henninge> Ursinha: hi! :)
[15:07] <bac> Ursinha: barry is working on the second one
[15:07] <henninge> sorry for the delay ...
[15:07] <Ursinha> bac, do you know if there's an open bug for that?
[15:08] <Ursinha> intellectronica, bug 279561, that's affecting people more frequently lately
[15:08]  * intellectronica shoegazing
[15:08] <bac> Ursinha: i don't.  i'll check with barry when he returns from afk
[15:09] <intellectronica> sorry, it's still a mystery
[15:09] <intellectronica> i'll go back to working on it now
[15:09] <Ursinha> intellectronica, do you have time to deal with that? it's causing a lot of oopses and annoying people
[15:09] <Ursinha> bac, thanks
[15:09] <intellectronica> Ursinha: i do now
[15:10] <Ursinha> [action] bac to check with barry if there's an open bug for  OOPS-1125A1096, if not, Ursinha to file one
[15:10] <MootBot> ACTION received:  bac to check with barry if there's an open bug for  OOPS-1125A1096, if not, Ursinha to file one
[15:10] <Ursinha> bac, about the other one, do you have any clues?
[15:10] <Ursinha> intellectronica, thanks
[15:10] <Ursinha> [action] intellectronica to work on bug 279561
[15:11] <MootBot> ACTION received:  intellectronica to work on bug 279561
[15:11] <Ursinha> [action] rockstar to check OOPS-1125CEMAIL1
[15:11] <MootBot> ACTION received:  rockstar to check OOPS-1125CEMAIL1
[15:11] <Ursinha> any other issues you may want to point?
[15:11] <bac> Ursinha: no clue ATM.  will check it out
[15:12] <Ursinha> thanks bac
[15:12] <Ursinha> I appreciate that
[15:12] <Ursinha> [action] bac to take a look at OOPS-1125A165
[15:12] <MootBot> ACTION received:  bac to take a look at OOPS-1125A165
[15:12] <Ursinha> well, moving on
[15:12] <Ursinha> [TOPIC] * Operations report (mthaddon/herb/spm)
[15:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  * Operations report (mthaddon/herb/spm)
[15:12] <herb> * 2008-01-28 - Yesterday - We rolled out 2.2.1. Total downtime was approximately 35 minutes.
[15:12] <herb> * Even after the rollout, we continue to have problems as a result of bug #156453 and bug #118625. I cannont emphasize enough how much of a pain point this is becoming for the LOSAs. More than a quarter of the incidents that we've had to deal with in the last year have been related to these two bugs.
[15:12] <herb> * We had a couple of incidents in the last week relating to bug #260171.
[15:12] <herb> * Do we expect to roll out any additional patches this week? If so, when?
[15:13] <Ursinha> herb, I think at least one, I'll talk to kiko and confirm that to you
[15:13] <herb> ok
[15:14] <herb> Ursinha: do you suspect it will be rolled out today or tomorrow?
[15:14] <henninge> Ursinha: He approved one of mine, too.
[15:14] <Ursinha> [action] Ursinha to check with kiko if any other rollouts will happen this week
[15:14] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Ursinha to check with kiko if any other rollouts will happen this week
[15:14] <herb> I can wait, I was just curious if you have a best guess.
[15:14] <Ursinha> herb, guess tomorrow, but it depends on if we're having more issues to be fixed
[15:15] <herb> ok
[15:15] <herb> thanks
[15:15] <Ursinha> henninge, cool
[15:15] <Ursinha> thanks herb
[15:15] <Ursinha> I took note of the "pain to the LOSAs" about that two bugs
[15:16] <herb> Ursinha: thanks. much appreciated
[15:16] <Ursinha> well, next
[15:16] <Ursinha> [TOPIC] * DBA report (DBA contact)
[15:16] <Ursinha> stub sent one email about it:
[15:16] <Ursinha> Looks like the upgrade went smoothly and nothing exciting is happening. Yay.
[15:16] <Ursinha> Although neither db server is particularly heavily loaded on average, we do see spikes sometimes. Also, the slave is still more loaded than production. As I don't expect us to get a second slave in the near future, I'm thinking we need to look into some better load balancing to move some of the slave load back to the master.
[15:16] <MootBot> New Topic:  * DBA report (DBA contact)
[15:16] <Ursinha> Config changes on one or two of the appserver instances to use the master as the slave would work in the short term. Long term I think we could be better with a load balancer like pgbouncer or pgpool (1 or 2).
[15:16] <Ursinha> that's all from stub
[15:16] <Ursinha> anything else?
[15:16] <Ursinha> anybody wants to point or discuss something?
[15:17] <Ursinha> 5
[15:17] <Ursinha> 4
[15:17] <Ursinha> 3
[15:17] <Ursinha> 2
[15:17] <Ursinha> 1
[15:17] <Ursinha> Thank you all for attending this week's Launchpad Production Meeting. See the channel topic for the location of the logs.
[15:17] <Ursinha> #endmeeting
[15:17] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 09:17.
[15:17] <Ursinha> the fastest eva
[15:17] <gary_poster> Thanks Ursinha :-)
[15:17] <Ursinha> thank you all
[15:17] <Ursinha> gary_poster, :)
[15:17] <cprov> Ursinha: thanks!


[11:52] <lool> Hmm it's not going to be easy to provide d-i images for dove z0 boards using the -z0 udeb: both the dove and dove-z0 udebs use the /boot/vmlinuz name
[11:53] <lool> cjwatson: Do you think we should use a subarch here to workaround this or should we change kernel-wedge/kernel udebs to output /boot/vmlinuz-$flavour ?
[11:53] <ogra> oh, that will be fun once we have imx51 lange kernels (if ever)
[11:53] <cjwatson> gaaaaaaaaah
[11:53] <cjwatson> sorry, I just don't have bandwidth for this
[11:53] <lool> cjwatson: no hurry
[11:54] <lool> cjwatson: let's chat about this post A6
[11:54] <cjwatson> why do you have both dove and dove-z0 in the one image?
[11:54] <cjwatson> if you don't have them in the same image, then surely it doesn't matter
[11:54] <lool> cjwatson: We dont have them in one image
[11:54] <ogra> -z0 is really only a nice to have
[11:54] <lool> cjwatson: however I understand d-i builds flavours for a subarch in a single pass
[11:54] <cjwatson> so why is it a problem? vmlinuz can be one thing in one image and something else in another
[11:54] <lool> and subarches in multiples passes
[11:55] <cjwatson> each image should be built in an entirely separate tree
[11:55] <lool> cjwatson: In both case it's a netboot image
[11:55] <lool> *cases
[11:55] <cjwatson> yes, but ... what I said
[11:55] <lool> So I guess I could add netboot-z0
[11:55] <cjwatson> *one* of the names needs to be different
[11:56] <lool> It's less ugly than a subarch indeed
[11:56] <cjwatson> I don't see why you couldn't just call it dove-z0/netboot though
[11:56] <lool> Ah right that doesn't imply subarch
[11:56] <cjwatson> as in, have a dove-z0 alongside the existing dove
[11:56] <cjwatson> well, it would be a subarch
[11:56] <lool> That's fine too, I thought subdirs where subarches but they are not
[11:56] <cjwatson> but what's wrong with that? it's a different kernel ...
[11:56] <lool> Ah
[11:57] <lool> Well I thought we had x arches with y subarches and z kernel flavours as the data model
[11:57] <cjwatson> the data model is not all that rigid
[11:57] <lool> Ok; I'll either create a subarch or differently named image
[11:58] <lool> thanks
[11:58] <cjwatson> in the case of powerpc, "powerpc64" is considered a subarchitecture at the d-i build system level
[11:58] <cjwatson> even though it's not a subarchitecture in the more general sense
[11:58] <cjwatson> it's just a kernel flavour
[12:22] <lool> cjwatson: Ack; what I looked at when I saw the vmlinuz filename issue was hppa
[12:23] <lool> http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/main/installer-hppa/current/images/cdrom/2.6/
[12:23] <cjwatson> I wouldn't recommend using hppa as an example of anything much
[12:23] <lool> It's the only one I found where two kernel flavours were used in the same image build
[12:24] <lool> Looking at subarch versus another image, it seems I could just include the dove.cfg from dove-z0.cfg and add overrides
[12:25] <cjwatson> I'd prefer that you copied the whole dove/ tree instead
[12:25] <cjwatson> and edited
[12:25] <lool> Ok
[12:25] <cjwatson> that's more usual practice
[12:25] <cjwatson> (sane or not)
[12:54] <lool> ./installer-armel/20081029ubuntu61/images/dove-z0/netboot/dove-z0/uImage
[12:54] <lool> ./installer-armel/20081029ubuntu61/images/dove-z0/netboot/dove-z0/uInitrd
[12:54] <lool> ./installer-armel/20081029ubuntu61/images/dove/netboot/dove/uImage
[12:54] <lool> ./installer-armel/20081029ubuntu61/images/dove/netboot/dove/uInitrd
[12:55] <lool> I think I'll use dove/netboot/dove-z0 instead
[12:56] <lool> ah that's not the easy one
[12:56] <lool> Oh well powerpc does the same
[13:34] <CIA-33> ubiquity: mterry * r3454 trunk/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/frontend/kde_ui.py):
[13:34] <CIA-33> ubiquity: kde: Fix crasher when in the advanced partition page by adding a
[13:34] <CIA-33> ubiquity: missing function. LP: #430413
[13:48] <lool> cjwatson: Just pushed d-i dove-z0 netboot images support; not needed in A6 in anyway though
[13:48] <cjwatson> ok, thanks
[15:53] <mterry> cjwatson, evand1, btw, I pushed an unreleased crasher for kde partitioning.  Probably worth pushing before alpha.  Don't know if ya'll planned another push or not
[15:57] <evand1> well, we can always upload, and if someone triggers a livefs rebuild it will get picked up.
[15:58]  * evand1 starts that
[15:58] <cjwatson> well
[15:58] <cjwatson> we need to convert to Upstart as well
[15:59] <cjwatson> I think we should probably wait until that's done since we'll need to upload for it anyway, otherwise the "Install Ubuntu" menu item won't work - bug 430607
[15:59] <cjwatson> I'm part-way into that
[15:59] <evand1> okay
[16:07] <CIA-33> usb-creator: evand * r171 policykit/ (15 files in 7 dirs): Initial commit of PolicyKit support.
[16:07] <evand1> ignore that
[16:07]  * evand1 hacks CIA off his branch configuration
[16:51] <rgreening> oooh-ooo-ooo-oooh  policykit evand1 :)
[16:51] <rgreening> noooooooo
[16:51] <rgreening> heh
[16:52] <evand1> haha, almost ready to go in
[16:52] <evand1> just polishing
[17:31] <CIA-33> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3455 ubiquity/debian/ (oem-config.upstart ubiquity.upstart changelog): Add Upstart jobs for ubiquity and oem-config (LP: #430607).
[17:32] <cjwatson> evand1: anything more before we upload this?
[17:32] <evand1> nope, nothing here
[17:33] <superm1> you don't need to nuke the init scripts themselves first or anything like that?
[17:37] <CIA-33> usb-creator: evand * r201 trunk/ (15 files in 6 dirs): Add PolicyKit support (LP: #273483).
[17:38] <cjwatson> superm1: no
[17:38] <cjwatson> dh_installinit is clever
[17:38] <superm1> cool :)
[18:04] <rgreening> mmmm policykit
[18:04]  * rgreening checksout to test
[18:14] <CIA-33> usb-creator: rgreening * r202 trunk/ (8 files in 5 dirs):
[18:14] <CIA-33> usb-creator: * Bump version in setup.py, kde_about.py, usb-creator-gtk, and man to 0.2.7
[18:14] <CIA-33> usb-creator: * Remove completed TODO items
[18:14] <CIA-33> usb-creator: * Update some message strings fro translations
[18:26] <CIA-33> usb-creator: evand * r203 trunk/debian/control: Drop depends on gksu and kdesudo.
[18:41] <rgreening> yay
[18:41] <rgreening> bu-bye su-su-sudo
[18:42] <rgreening> NCommander: ping
[18:43] <NCommander> rgreening, pong
[18:44] <rgreening> hey NCommander. YOu know of current b0rkage with python, qt, and sip?
[18:44] <rgreening> I can't run any pyqt apps now... ScottK said something about BIC
[18:46] <NCommander> rgreening, I'm not aware of any breakage, but I haven't run any apps recently
[18:47] <rgreening> hmm... NCommander: ImportError: /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/PyQt4/QtGui.so: undefined symbol: _Z29qt_set_sequence_auto_mnemonicb
[18:47] <rgreening> any idea?
[18:51] <NCommander> rgreening, rebuild the app thats using it, or bindings if its KDE
[18:51] <NCommander> ABI bumps aren't properly handled w/ pyqt4 ATM
[18:53] <rgreening> oh
[18:53] <rgreening> so, my app is usb-creator-kde, it's all python... so rebuild which package?
[18:53] <rgreening> kdebindings?
[18:53] <NCommander> rgreening, sounds promising, but I'm not 100% sure
[18:54]  * NCommander is feeling horrible ATM
[19:09] <samba> can anyone tell me where casper kicks in among the initrd scripts? I'm looking at a Jaunty Desktop CD, and so far I haven't found anything in the scripts that specifically calls /scripts/casper
[19:10] <cjwatson> samba: we pass boot=casper as a boot parameter
[19:10] <cjwatson> sorry, BOOT=casper
[19:10] <cjwatson> actually, I was right the first time :)
[19:10] <cjwatson> /usr/share/initramfs-tools/init has:
[19:10] <cjwatson> ...
[19:10] <cjwatson>         boot=*)
[19:10] <cjwatson>                 BOOT=${x#boot=}
[19:10] <cjwatson> ...
[19:10] <cjwatson> . /scripts/${BOOT}
[19:10] <samba> oh, right!
[19:10] <samba> (forgot about that one)
[19:10] <samba> thanks
[19:11]  * cjwatson -> away
[20:47] <samba> evand1, you around?
[21:45] <CIA-33> ubiquity: evand * r3456 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.99.20
[22:59] <superm1> cjwatson, evand1, looking at that diff for upstart enabling stuff, isn't that going to unconditionally start ubiquity if it's installed, preventing gdm from starting up?
[22:59] <superm1> there doesn't look to be a check for if ubiquity is actually 1 around those two exec statements
[23:00] <superm1> same thing with oem config
[23:00] <cjwatson> true, I'll fix that
[23:00] <cjwatson> but in a moment because I have another change involving moving those files aroundd
[23:04] <CIA-33> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3457 ubiquity/debian/ (6 files):
[23:04] <CIA-33> ubiquity: Install the init script (under a new, temporary name) as well as the
[23:04] <CIA-33> ubiquity: Upstart job, in order that flavours whose display managers haven't yet
[23:04] <CIA-33> ubiquity: converted to Upstart can still work. Take pains to ensure that only one
[23:04] <CIA-33> ubiquity: of these runs.
[23:05] <CIA-33> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3458 ubiquity/debian/ (changelog ubiquity.ubiquity.upstart):
[23:05] <CIA-33> ubiquity: Fix ubiquity's Upstart job to actually check whether it should run
[23:05] <CIA-33> ubiquity: ubiquity (thanks, Mario Limonciello).
[23:26] <evand1> ah, awesome catch cjwatson
[23:27] <evand1> (on 430724)
[23:27] <cjwatson> can't believe I missed that in the conversion
[23:27] <cjwatson> I was really careful about debdiffing
[23:27] <cjwatson> I'm just testing now to make sure nothing else has exploded
[23:28] <cjwatson> but the upshot is that ubiquity's extensions get installed to /lib/partman/partman/...
[23:32] <xivulon1> slow iso rsync here, is it worth the wait? or are relevant changes going to be in tomorrow?
[23:35] <CIA-33> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3459 ubiquity/ (d-i/update-control debian/changelog debian/control): Build-depend on dh-di 3 to pick up fix affecting manual partitioning.
[23:36] <CIA-33> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3460 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/frontend/base.py): Tolerate LANG not being set yet in get_string (LP: #431048).
[23:37] <cjwatson> well, we're madly fixing stuff ...
[23:37] <cjwatson> I don't know exactly how good or bad the current images are


[11:19] <ShadowZ> hello
[11:19] <ShadowZ> i need help regarding ethernet
[13:01] <Kiicki> I just installed Lubuntu and I'm using Minecraft as a testing game but for some reason I can't open the game with Java. I installed Java Oracle 8 which haven't had any issues with Ubuntu but I can't seem to find the software when I try to open the game
[13:47] <Kiicki> I got Java 6,7 and 8 now and I still don't have the option to open a JAR file with java
[13:51] <leszek> Kiicki: just add java -jar manually in open with
[13:52] <Kiicki> problem is that it's not there
[13:52] <Kiicki> it is there in ubuntu but not in lubuntu for some reason
[13:54] <Kiicki> Like I got "Oracle Java 8 Web start" "Oracle Java 8 mission control" "Oracle Java 8 console" "Oracle java 8 visualVM" "Oracle java 8 plugin control panel" "oracle java 8 policy tool"
[13:54] <Kiicki> but not the actual Java that I need to open the game
[13:54] <Kiicki> non of those worked
[13:59] <leszek> Kiicki: not sure I don't install proprietary stuff usually
[14:00] <Kiicki> I don't get it though. Lubuntu is based on ubuntu but I never had this problem in ubuntu. It's like I cannot open Jar files in Lubuntu
[14:19] <xenial> hi?
[14:37] <leszek> Kiicki: I have something like that in my /usr/share/applications/openjdk-6-java.desktop to open jar files with: https://pastebin.com/ERPTL31U
[14:37] <leszek> Kiicki: usually this should come with the java package. Though maybe oracle does not ship it and only openjdk does
[14:38] <leszek> though it would not explain why it appears on ubuntu but not lubuntu
[14:38] <leszek> maybe lubuntu did not refresh the application list (desktop files)
[14:38] <leszek> so relogin might fix it. Not sure
[14:49] <JeNeSaisQuoi> hello everybody
[14:50] <JeNeSaisQuoi> I new with Lubuntu and I would like to install it on an USB key? How to after .iso download ? Merci beaucoup :D
[17:32] <Scungielli> how do I make it so that I don't have to enter a password to get back to my desktop after the screen saver comes on?  new install of lubuntu here
[17:33] <Scungielli> I'm not worried about security, its just a PC connected to my TV
[19:22] <Chunkyz> now the RC of ubuntu/lubuntu has been released, have we finally moved over to LXQt?
[19:22] <wxl> Chunkyz: no.
[19:24] <Chunkyz> wxl, ?
[19:25] <wxl> Chunkyz: we have not moved over to LXQt, no.
[19:25] <Chunkyz> is that official?
[19:25] <wxl> absolutely. for that matter, look at the manifest of the RC and you can see there are no LXQt packages in there.
[19:26] <Chunkyz> I would if I knew where to download it...
[19:26] <wxl> same place it always is: cdimage.ubuntu.com
[19:26] <Chunkyz> I thought we were moving over to LXQt though? what happened?
[19:27] <wxl> things take time
[19:27] <Chunkyz> "things" it's been forever lol...
[19:27] <Chunkyz> I don't see the RC in that link btw
[19:28] <wxl> "forever" also hasn't been forever, either.
[19:28] <Chunkyz> you're pissing a lot of people off, including myself who's been waiting for it.
[19:29] <Unit193> It hasn't been long at all, they've had a couple releases at most and it seems like the wise move is to wait until it's at least somewhat stable before moving to it.
[19:29] <wxl> under daily or daily-live, depending on which version you want: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/
[19:29] <Unit193> Chunkyz: So then go install it?
[19:29] <Chunkyz> wxl, the rc isn't listed there.
[19:29] <wxl> *I* am not pissing people off. The process is. I
[19:30] <wxl> "rc" is a misused term
[19:30] <wxl> you'll find nothing there that is called rc
[19:30] <Chunkyz> not according to ubuntu's site...
[19:30] <wxl> what it means is a daily image that is locked in time
[19:30] <wxl> i'm sorry that ubuntu's site doesn't make the whole milestone process clear
[19:30] <Chunkyz> lol
[19:31] <Chunkyz> are you a dev for lubuntu wxl ?
[19:31] <wxl> where do you see this on ubuntu's site?
[19:32] <wxl> i am a contributor to the lubuntu project. anyone can be *hint hint ahem*
[19:32] <Chunkyz> I see.
[19:32] <wxl> i don't see anywhere on the ubuntu site showing a discussion of rc images at all
[19:32] <Chunkyz> so your word is not officially true so I'll stick around :)
[19:33] <wxl> i'm listed under the team here if that's what you mean by not official http://lubuntu.me/about/
[19:34] <Unit193> Dude, you can see it's not there now, there's no chance they'll test with LXDE all cycle then on the last day switch to LXQt with zero testing.  The release team wouldn't even allow that...
[19:34] <Chunkyz> your name is?
[19:34] <wxl> try searching for wxl
[19:35] <Chunkyz> Unit193, yeah it's just I hate waiting and really wanted LXQt :( sorry if I sound rude wxl.
[19:35] <wxl> you can install it
[19:35] <Chunkyz> that's /not/ the same lol
[19:35] <wxl> unfortunately the ubuntu packages aren't exactly fixed yet
[19:35] <wxl> among other reasons because of problems with debian
[19:35] <wxl> which happened because of other problems
[19:36] <wxl> i know it seems like we can just push a button and all is done, but it doesn't work like that
[19:36] <xangua> Chunkyz: there's an lxqt meta
[19:36] <Chunkyz> I guess I'll have to wait then.
[19:36] <wxl> we've all been trying very hard to at least get SOMETHING out, but because of stuff beyond our control, we have been unable to
[19:36] <xangua> It's pretty simple
[19:36] <wxl> xangua: it's messed up, too, but ok.
[19:37] <xangua> There are some distros that offer a default lxqt desktop if you wanna try
[19:37] <Chunkyz> I'd rather wait for an official release, the longer we wait the better it might be, true?
[19:37] <wxl> um, not necessarily
[19:38] <wxl> but patience is a virtue, so if you get that one figured it, *YOU* will be better XD
[19:38] <Chunkyz> xangua, yeah but not as good as ubuntu/lubuntu - if you're on about arch etc, no thanks.
[19:38] <wxl> the main force behind lxqt has a distro based around it
[19:39] <Chunkyz> got a link wxl ?
[19:39] <xangua> Manjaro and gecko Linux for example
[19:39] <Chunkyz> both suck compred to ubuntu/lubuntu imo :)
[19:40] <wxl> https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=siduction
[19:40] <wxl> it's based on debian unstable, so similar to ubuntu
[19:40] <wxl> (not in terms of community, though, which is what *I* think makes *buntu superior)
[19:41] <Chunkyz> wxl, cheers and yeah I agree.
[19:42] <wxl> there's also been some further discussion about lxqt and lubuntu. it's unclear as to whether or not we'll completely dump lxde and switch to lxqt or maybe offer both as an option. dunno yet. too soon to tell. there's lots of app decisions we'll have to make on lxqt.
[19:49] <Chunkyz> thanks for the info about siduction, never even heard of it. grabbing the .iso now (:
[21:29] <tsimonq2> I wish some people would read my blog...
[21:30] <tsimonq2> https://www.tsimonq2.net/blog/2017/03/24/
[21:30] <tsimonq2> Explains a lot ^
[21:32] <tsimonq2> Oh, did I mention we tweeted about it, too? :P


[01:52] <m4v> how annoying
[01:55] <bazhang> m4v, d-coy was looking for you
[02:00] <m4v> insulting me the whole day more like it
[02:01] <m4v> troll I banned from -es channels
[02:01] <bazhang> okay thanks
[02:01] <bazhang> m4v, do you know a user dherrero ?
[02:02] <m4v> sounds familiar...
[02:03] <m4v> ah, was trolling today in u-es, is one of BlouBlou clones
[02:03] <bazhang> okay; he was using the danger command yesterday and I noticed he had a lot of espanol channels in his /whois
[02:03] <bazhang> [DHerrero]<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:04] <m4v> yeah, is BlouBlou using proxies, same ip from the other day in #supybot
[02:04] <bazhang> weird. bloublou seems to be a normal user in #ubuntu
[02:05] <m4v> looks that way, but he isn't like that in other channels or when I speak with him in a query
[02:05] <bazhang> thanks for the heads up
[02:06] <m4v> he used to be a "good guy" in u-es as well
[10:18] <Tm_T> hi kids
[19:56] <ubot4> In #ubuntu-uk, AlanBell said: !spoiler is <reply> When discussing films or books please remember that not everyone has seen them yet, don't reveal too much of the plot and certainly don't tell them that Darth Vader is Luke's father. Oops.
[21:19] <popey> hah