[03:36] <soundray> thinkloop, while you don't know what that /var/mail/user directory is about, you could do a 'sudo cp -a /var/mail/user /var/mail/user-backup', then do a 'sudo touch /var/mail/user ; sudo chmod user.user /var/mail/user'
[03:37] <Healot> root_, do it the hard way then "sudo updatedb && locate slmodem-2.9.10.tar.gz
[03:37] <Healot> "
[03:37] <soundray> thinkloop: mutt will turn the resulting empty /var/mail/user file into an mbox mail folder.
[03:37] <Healot> then you'll find that file eventually
[03:37] <AnsiC> wow
[03:37] <AnsiC> i'm on root
[03:37] <veldorzvizzerd> dw, its k, thanks tho for your help _jason, one last thing, if I wanted to uninstall a program from the terminal, what command would I use?
[03:37] <AnsiC> but i do ctrl+f2
[03:37] <AnsiC> login: root
[03:37] <AnsiC> pass: .....
[03:37] <_jason> veldorzvizzerd: sudo aptitude remove <package name>
[03:37] <AnsiC> and now i'm under root
[03:38] <veldorzvizzerd> thanks
[03:38] <root_> yes it found it in three places
[03:38] <soundray> veldorzvizzerd: ekiga works on standard protocols, ie. you can converse with Netmeeting users
[03:38] <root_> should i delete the other copies?
[03:38] <Healot> three placeS? amazing, root_ :)
[03:38] <veldorzvizzerd> thanks soundray, will try that one :)
[03:38] <soundray> veldorzvizzerd: skype is available for both, but it's proprietary.
[03:38] <Healot> up to you... i usually keep backups
[03:38] <veldorzvizzerd> yea, I'm not much of a fan of skype :p
[03:38] <rambo3> you need sudo after &&
[03:39] <root_> rambo3 what do u mean?
[03:39] <root_> should i write sudo?
[03:39] <ic56> thinkloop: sounds like soundray meant to say `mv' rather than `cp -a'
[03:39] <root_> after it located the file?
[03:39] <rambo3> no
[03:39] <rambo3> never mind
[03:39] <root_> i am already root
[03:39] <Healot> locate doesn't need superuser privileges though
[03:39] <Kezzer> Finally got everything working in Ubuntu
[03:39] <soundray> ic56: thanks, you're right
[03:39] <Healot> hehe, root_ :)
[03:40] <Kezzer> using 64-bit edition and managed to get 32-bit firefox and flash working under it =D
[03:40] <rambo3> it should be sudo updatedb && sudo locate  slmodem-2.9.10.tar.gz
[03:40] <soundray> Kezzer: well done. chroot?
[03:40] <Healot> Kezzer, there is a FAQ/wikiwikiwiki for that :)
[03:40] <Healot> using linux32 is way easier than chrooting
[03:40] <Kezzer> Yup, just used linux32
[03:40] <Kezzer> You fool it into thinking you're using 32-bit
[03:41] <Kezzer> Takes a couple of scripts etc. but chroot is to be avoided apparently
[03:41] <Dr_Willis> !linux32
[03:41] <ubotu> Dr_Willis: Some people juggle geese. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[03:41] <Dr_Willis> :(
[03:41] <soundray> Kezzer: well, chroot is clean, but it's like maintaining a second system...
[03:41] <AnsiC> user@hostname:~$ sudo bash
[03:41] <AnsiC> Password:
[03:41] <AnsiC> root@hostname:~#
[03:42] <Healot> Kezzer, not really fooling the app, it does chrooting in the background... and it does fool the app :)
[03:42] <AnsiC> root@hostname:~# chown root:root /etc/sudoers
[03:42] <_martin> Hi - I'm trying to install the freenx client from http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/  as per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreeNX but the server seems to be down. Are there other servers I can use for Breezy?
[03:42] <Kezzer> How do you permanently unmount drives?  It's just I'm being shown my NTFS drives which I don't want, I know it's sudo umount /dev/sdaX but everytime I restart the system they reappear again o_O
[03:42] <Healot> AnsiC, you need the maintain ANSI standard
[03:42] <soundray> AnsiC: can you please stop pasting here.
[03:43] <Healot> yeah, please....
[03:43] <root_> it still says no such a file or directory?
[03:43] <Frogzoo> Kezzer: as long as this isn't USB, remove the file sytem from /etc/fstab will do it
[03:44] <root_> im in ubuntu, does it matter?
[03:44] <Healot> Kezzer, to permanently unmount partition, you should never mount it in the first place
[03:44] <Kezzer> Healot, I never did mount it o_O
[03:44] <Healot> move the option "auto" from your fstab file
[03:44] <AnsiC> ok
[03:44] <AnsiC> by
[03:44] <Healot> changeit to "noauto", then the automounter will never mount it on startup
[03:45] <Kezzer> sudo nano /etc/fstab then?
[03:45] <root_> Healot, can we install software from tar.gz tarballs?
[03:45] <soundray> !install
[03:45] <ubotu> Installing Ubuntu? See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation Installing software on Ubuntu? See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingSoftware
[03:45] <Healot> root_, yes, if the file actually contains source code and makefiles
[03:46] <Lorvija> hey.. I installed ubuntu as dual boot and ubuntu automatically mounts my other disk but i have no rights to access the disk... how to get those rights?
[03:46] <Healot> just unb/gzip the file to your desired/default destination, cd to that directory, and make, and wait for errors to come
[03:46] <Healot> sure, Kezzer
[03:47] <Dr_Willis> Lorvija,  let me guess.. NTFS partition?
[03:47] <Lorvija> Dr_Willis, aye
[03:47] <Dr_Willis> !ntfs
[03:47] <ubotu> well, ntfs is the filesystem used in Windows NT and newer; to automatically mount your NTFS partition: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[03:47] <Dr_Willis> !mount
[03:47] <ubotu> methinks mount is the command to add partitions to your filesystem - for full instructions see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingANewHardDrive For mounting windows partitions, see !windowsdrives or http://tinyurl.com/bly9f
[03:47] <variant> can anyone help with this error when compiling a kernel module please:
[03:47] <variant> /bin/sh: scripts/genksyms/genksyms: No such file or directory
[03:47] <Lorvija> Dr_Willis, it's already mounted.. just cant access it (:
[03:47] <variant> its module not included int he stock kernel
[03:48] <Dr_Willis> Lorvija,  you have to alter the mount entry
[03:48] <Lorvija> Dr_Willis,  okay, I'll check it. thanks
[03:48] <Dr_Willis> Lorvija, its mounted by root. not a user.
[03:48] <root_> ubotu: how install tar.gz
[03:48] <ubotu> root_: NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[03:48] <_martin>  no problem, found freenx mirrors - http://free.linux.hp.com/~brett/seveas/freenx/
[03:48] <soundray> variant, you should install modutils
[03:48] <root_> how install tar.gz
[03:48] <tonyyarusso> root_: What are you trying to install?
[03:49] <soundray> !tell root about install
[03:49] <Healot> root_, did you read the documentation on the site/links that you download that file from
[03:49] <soundray> !tell root_ about install
[03:49] <Healot> reading is really essential in compiling, i might say
[03:50] <Healot> especially for first time effort
[03:50] <root_> tonyyarusso: my ubuntu doesn't recognize HSP56 MR pctel modem, so i wanna install slmodem (smart link) to solve this problem
[03:50] <root_> Healot, yes, i read but the first step is #gzip and i failed in this step
[03:51] <tonyyarusso> root_: There should be plenty of documentation with that package for you to read, in addition to the wiki links soundray sent you.  Look for something called README or INSTALL in the tarball.
[03:51] <Healot> ~_~?
[03:51] <soundray> root_, try "tar zxvf slmodem....tar.gz"
[03:51] <Healot> root_, do you know how to uncompress compressed tarballs?
[03:51] <Healot> there you go...
[03:52] <root_> Healot, as u witnessed, i do it according to instructions :)
[03:52] <tonyyarusso> If I zip/compress something .tar.gz or .tar.bz2, can my Windows-using friends unzip those, or do I need to use .zip for them?
[03:52] <root_> like dummy!
[03:52] <variant> soundray: same error
[03:53] <soundray> tonyyarusso: yes, if they have Winzip or Filzip.
[03:53] <Healot> root_, it's good to be a dummy, with learning desire... keep it up, man
[03:53] <tonyyarusso> soundray: Okay.  Everybody should have Winzip, so sounds good.
[03:53] <Healot> root_, you can use file-roller (gnome) or ark (in KDE)
[03:53] <root_> soundray, it says no such file or directory
[03:54] <root_> thanks, Healot
[03:54] <Healot> root_, where are you now, type "pwd" to find out... please... and please don't whine on your mistake :)
[03:54] <root_> what is it, file-roler
[03:54] <soundray> tonyyarusso: everybody should have Filzip. Winzip is proprietary :)
[03:54] <Healot> uhuh ~_~?
[03:54] <Healot> 7zip smells better than winzip
[03:55] <root_> it says i am root (i already knew it)
[03:55] <tonyyarusso> soundray: 'k, s/should/most likely can be expected to/
[03:55] <soundray> variant, what are you trying to do?
[03:56] <soundray> tonyyarusso: oh, I like those subtleties in the English language :)
[03:56] <variant> soundray: compile rt2x00
[03:56] <variant> soundray: for my belkin usb wireless nic
[03:56] <tonyyarusso> soundray: Of course.  Because we never really planned on using language to really communicate what we really mean, right?
[03:56] <soundray> variant, are you on hoary?
[03:56] <Healot> rt2500, variant ?
[03:56] <variant> Healot: rt2570
[03:57] <variant> soundray: dapper
[03:57] <variant> flight 5
[03:57] <Healot> i think there is a binary/precompiled driver for that...
[03:57] <variant> yeah?
[03:57] <Healot> 25XX driver is in the dapper/breezy repos
[03:57] <soundray> variant, I've got that device. It should work out of the box.
[03:57] <variant> soundray: belkin wireless g usb?
[03:57] <soundray> variant, do you see it with lsusb when you plug it in?
[03:58] <variant> soundray: all except the usb work out of the box
[03:58] <variant> lemmy cehck
[03:58] <variant> Bus 003 Device 002: ID 050d:705a Belkin Components
[03:58] <tonyyarusso> How does Ubuntu deal with it if you install new hardware on a system?  I remember Windows' little popup of "New hardware detected...finding drivers...", is it something along those lines, or do you have to do it manually, or what?
[03:59] <root_> Healot, where should i put the source file so that the system may find it to install?
[03:59] <soundray> variant, I have a F5D7050. When I plug it in, it shows up as rausb0.
[04:00] <Healot> root_, first answer me, do you even know where is the tarball location/full path?
[04:00] <variant> soundray: ist hat belkin?
[04:00] <soundray> variant, yes, I wasn't lying.
[04:00] <root_> yes, it is in /usr/local/src, Healot
[04:00] <variant> lol
[04:00] <yohan> anyone have a good guide to compiling a kernel downloaded from kernel.org?
[04:00] <variant> soundray: not here
[04:00] <Healot> to make sure, please type the full path for me, root_, will you?
[04:01] <soundray> !kernelcompile
[04:01] <ubotu> You will probably find info about this at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCompileHowto
[04:01] <fontp> yohan : http://www.freeos.com/articles/2589/
[04:01] <root_> Healot, sure
[04:01] <fontp> oh, even better
[04:01] <Healot> yohan, install "kernel-package"
[04:01] <fontp> bots win
[04:01] <variant> soundray: i was under the impression that the usb versions of the rt driver would not work out of the box
[04:01] <root_> Healot: /usr/local/src/slmodem-2.9.10.tar.gz
[04:01] <soundray> variant, that just goes to show that impressions can be unreliable :)
[04:02] <soundray> variant, so, do you get a rausb0 device when you plug it in?
[04:02] <variant> no
[04:02] <Healot> downlaod the kernel/unpack, install the required devel libraries, run "sudo make-kpkg" on the top directoy of the unpacked source
[04:02] <variant> iwconfig shows no wireless extensions
[04:02] <variant> sit/eth/lo
[04:02] <Healot> root_, now, here is what I will do, "cd /usr/local/src/"
[04:02] <yohan> thnx
[04:02] <soundray> variant, try gnome network settings, or ifconfig -a
[04:03] <variant> soundray: the fact is that the module has not been loaded for it because the belkin usb stick that uses rt2570 or rt2x00 is not supported out of the box
[04:03] <variant> soundray: only pcmcia and pci versions are
[04:04] <GNU_Style> whats the difference between kernel-headers and kernel-source?
[04:04] <GNU_Style> are they the same?
[04:04] <soundray> variant, that is just plain incorrect, as I've just checked.
[04:04] <soundray> variant: all I need to do is to plug my device in, and it shows up.
[04:04] <DJAdmiral> how do i check md5sums of a particular file?
[04:04] <Healot> one is the essential header for compilation, and the other is the actual source of your kernel
[04:04] <soundray> variant: complies with my definition of "out of the box"
[04:04] <Kezzer> Is it not possible to play mp3s in linux based audio applications?
[04:04] <Healot> md5sum <filename>, DJAdmiral
[04:05] <soundray> Kezzer, yes it is.
[04:05] <Kezzer> It's just I was using rhythmbox and it couldn't load any of my files
[04:05] <DJAdmiral> thanks
[04:05] <Healot> sha1sum for SHA-1 checksum
[04:05] <soundray> Kezzer: you just have to jump through hoops because of the idiots at Fraunhofer.
[04:05] <DJAdmiral> thanks Healot
[04:05] <soundray> !tell Kezzer about restricted
[04:05] <Healot> Kezzer, it is possible, with the right application, right plugins
[04:06] <drudge> hi
[04:06] <variant> soundray: do you have the belkin usb stick?
[04:06] <soundray> variant, so how about if you stop doubting me, so we can focus on solving your problem?
[04:06] <Healot> you'll love the winamp-like audio player "xmms", Kezzer
[04:06] <drudge> no don't use xmms, use beep media player
[04:06] <variant> soundray: I have read in the documentation that it is not supported out of the box
[04:06] <Kezzer> Hmm
[04:06] <soundray> variant, I'm gradually getting fed up with you. I've told you that three times now.
[04:06] <Kezzer> I need something with good library support
[04:07] <Kezzer> as I play all of my music from library
[04:07] <drudge> i installed dapper flight 5 last night and tried installing xgl following the howto but when i run compiz --replace and the gnome-window-decorator i get no window decorations
[04:07] <root_> Healot, i was able to unzip it, the instruction says "to correct path to kernel source" KERNEL_DIR=/path/to/linux what does it mean?
[04:07] <Healot> for KDE multimedia, you should be able to play audio/video if you install of the KDE multimedia runtime/plugins
[04:08] <Healot> root_, you need to install "kernel-source, kernel-headers" packages that suits your current kernel version :)
[04:08] <variant> soundray: fine
[04:08] <Healot> and the related development libraries...
[04:09] <root_> Healot, can u show easier way? :)
[04:09] <Healot> it is not easy even for me... :)
[04:09] <Kezzer> Well the wiki page telling me what to do to get mp3s to work doesn't work
[04:09] <Kezzer> the package may be obsolete
[04:09] <root_> Healot, how to find out the kernel version?
[04:10] <Healot> uname -r
[04:10] <soundray> variant, so what do you want to do? Do you want to graciously accept my offer to help, or do you want to continue telling me that I can't be right?
[04:10] <Healot> root_, check out "linux essential" first :)
[04:10] <root_> Healot, i am not THAT dummy! :)
[04:11] <Healot> really...?
[04:11] <root_> :) joke!
[04:11] <sYndax> uhm... once ive dled firefox... how do i instal it plz?
[04:11] <anstei> i found out i can change my current keybord layout with "setxkbmap -layout [layout] ", is there a similar tool to get the currently active layout?
[04:11] <Healot> I don't say linux is easy in general... but ubuntu does simplified the essentials though
[04:11] <sYndax> cuz the firefox with this compilation as default is so slow...
[04:12] <soundray> !tell sYndax about ff1.5
[04:12] <root_> Healot, what do think can I install this slmodem or should i quit my efforts?
[04:12] <Healot> quit, for a while...
[04:12] <st3v3dnd> What's the preferred method of doing QoS in Linux? I've read some stuff about using iptables, or iproute2, but nothing telling which is the best, or most accepted.
[04:12] <sYndax> soundray: thanks but i removed firefox from the compilation and now cannot surft...
[04:12] <sYndax> until a new one is installed...
[04:12] <Healot> root_, check out the alternative at http://linmodems.org
[04:12] <root_> But my dummy side says: don't give up! Healot
[04:13] <soundray> sYndax: install epiphany temporarily, then.
[04:13] <sYndax> from the dvd?
[04:14] <dude_dan> hi everybody
[04:14] <soundray> sYndax: either that, or from the web. Try 'sudo apt-get install epiphany'
[04:14] <sYndax> uhm... where do i write this? i cannot see a prompt...
[04:14] <sYndax> i a long time user of win... but very new to linux...
[04:14] <sYndax> though i did try slakware 10 once...
[04:14] <soundray> sYndax: Alt-F2, enter gnome-terminal, then run the command above.
[04:15] <sYndax> sorry mandrake...
[04:15] <sYndax> ok trying, thanks :)
[04:15] <soundray> sYndax: alternatively, use synaptic to install the package.
[04:15] <sYndax> btw a generic question...
[04:15] <sYndax> i got an amd64 proceer athlon64... shoulde i install the amd64? or regulat i686?
[04:15] <sYndax> running on livecd now...
[04:16] <soundray> sYndax: amd64 is advantageous if you run cpu+memory intensive applications. For a typical desktop, i386 is preferable.
[04:16] <Healot> hey btw... for PCtel winmodems, checkout this page >> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/linmodems/pctel-linux/welcome.html root_
[04:17] <sYndax> i need for playing vidz, dvd burning and usenet dls... nuttin more... i got 1gb of ram...
[04:17] <sYndax> its along side with xp..
[04:17] <Kezzer> Anyone know how to get mp3s working? the wiki's guide doesn't work
[04:17] <sYndax> only thing that eats up cpu is the quickpar application...
[04:17] <sYndax> while recovering...
[04:17] <_jason> Kezzer: what version of ubuntu are you using?
[04:18] <soundray> sYndax: what's quickpar?
[04:18] <Kezzer> _jason, 5.10
[04:18] <sYndax> that an XP application that recovers broken archives dled from usenet with .PAR or .PAR2 files...
[04:18] <GNU_Style> playing DVD in ubuntu is CHoppy why?
[04:18] <_jason> Kezzer: you have gstreamer0.8-mad and totem still does not play mp3's?
[04:18] <ic56> sYntax: stick to i386 kernel.  It's more efficient in memory use and you don't seem to need the 64-bit features, seeing as you have little memory in your box.
[04:19] <Kezzer> _jason, it can't find gstreamer0.8-mad
[04:19] <sYndax> 1gb...
[04:19] <Kezzer> check with apt-get
[04:19] <_jason> Kezzer: you have to enable universe
[04:19] <sYndax> ic, so the i686 regular then...
[04:19] <Kezzer> it thinks it's been deprecated I think
[04:19] <_jason> ubotu: tell Kezzer about universe
[04:19] <Kezzer> oh?
[04:19] <ic56> sYndax: yes
[04:20] <sYndax> ic56: thanks :) soundray: thanks also :)
[04:21] <soundray> sYndax: no problem. Good luck getting it installed.
[04:21] <sYndax> i try, i typed that cmd in the terminal windows and i see no response... perhaps i need to find the "shell" prompt...
[04:21] <GNU_Style> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-5/
[04:21] <Healot> sYndax, in gnome/kde terminal :)?
[04:22] <bigfoot1> how do i find out the pentium speed of my pc?
[04:22] <sYndax> ok i found it...
[04:22] <Healot> cat /proc/cpuinfo
[04:22] <sYndax> healot: well... uhm... yes...?
[04:22] <soundray> bigfoot1: do you mean the PR rating on Athlon CPUs?
[04:23] <noone> Hello
[04:23] <jmp_me> bigfoot1: cat /proc/cpuinfo |grep MHz
[04:23] <eFfeM> hi, is there anyone who can help me getting my date/time straight?
[04:23] <bigfoot1> soundray: i meant what jmp_me gave. Thanks both!
[04:23] <eFfeM> i have a dual boot system (dapper drake & xp) and when the time is correct on the one, it is off by an hr on the other
[04:23] <eFfeM> andi in both cases the timezone is set correct
[04:24] <beerockxs> eFfeM, that's because Linux uses UTC as system time.
[04:24] <soundray> bigfoot1: leave out the grep to learn even more about your cpu :)
[04:24] <Healot> cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep "model name"
[04:24] <bigfoot1> soundray: yes. i did so.
[04:24] <sYndax> generic question, i got alot of "unknowns" in device manager... is it ok? and also how do i change the color depth/refresh rate (i only got 60hz there)...
[04:24] <eFfeM> beerockxs: feared that, is there a good workaround? (apart from the one I like most but cannot do: rm -rf XP )
[04:24] <bigfoot1> soundray: i learned i need a better computer
[04:25] <beerockxs> eFfeM, you can choose during installation of ubuntu wether to use local time or UTC for your system time, but i don't know how to change that after installation.
[04:25] <bigfoot1> for people who don't want to waste money with Windows OS, we should just buy the parts  seperately, eh? (Like shopping at newegg.com)
[04:25] <eFfeM> oh, missed that one probably (don't recall it)
[04:25] <kikko> hey guys
[04:26] <bigfoot1> i meant: for those who want a new computer...
[04:26] <ic56> eFfeM: edit /etc/default/rcS and change the value of UTC=  (it's either no or yes).
[04:26] <kikko> how do I take a screenshot of gdm
[04:26] <kikko> (without vmwaring it)
[04:26] <kikko> >
[04:26] <mivecz> can  a live  cd  update?
[04:26] <kikko> ?
[04:26] <eFfeM> ic56: tnx
[04:26] <soundray> bigfoot1: or go for a barebones system. Or buy Ubuntu preinstalled - HP was planning a laptop offer, but I don't know what's become of it.
[04:27] <Kezzer> worked a treat, thanks _jason
[04:27] <sYndax> any recommended usenet reader with nzb support for ubuntu?
[04:27] <sYndax> like klibido?
[04:27] <bigfoot1> soundray: what's a barebones system? You mean buying a computer without any software?
[04:27] <bigfoot1> if so, is that possible?
[04:27] <ic56> bigfoot1: check the yellow pages for your area or google.  Inevitably, there will be a small store in your area that specializes in Linux pre-installed.
[04:28] <bigfoot1> if so, don't they usually cost as much or more than big-name computers with windows?
[04:28] <mivecz> <ic56 can u help me pls
[04:28] <ic56> !justask
[04:28] <ubotu> Ask your question and we'll try to answer it.
[04:28] <soundray> bigfoot1: barebones means no CPU, memory and hard drive. Very popular: Shuttle XPC, but plenty of competitive offers around as well.
[04:28] <mivecz> can  a live  cd  update??
[04:28] <mwe> what process is resposible for automounting external media?
[04:29] <bigfoot1> soundray: why buy barebones?
[04:29] <sYndax> should i do something special before attempting to install 5.10 along side windpws xp? (diff hdds though)?  with it detect and install multiboot menu automaticly?
[04:29] <ic56> tws mivecz what do you mean by `update'?
[04:29] <ic56> mivecz: what do you mean by `update'?
[04:29] <bigfoot1> soundray: so what is included in barebones pc? the case and motherboard only?
[04:30] <soundray> bigfoot1: because you spend less time building it from components; because you get a system with good thermal design; because you get a compact system.
[04:30] <mivecz> ic56 5.10 t0 ---- dapper drake  6
[04:30] <nickrud> mwe, the utopia stack: hotplug, udev & hal (a shifting target)
[04:30] <mivecz> a live  cd
[04:31] <soundray> bigfoot1: it varies a bit between vendors. Lots of resellers build complete systems with no OS from Shuttle and other barebones.
[04:31] <ic56> mivecz: you mean, can a live cd be used to update an existing installation on the harddisk?
[04:31] <mivecz> no
[04:31] <bigfoot1> soundray: but isn't "building from components" just as easy as whipping together a home-made meal? You know, just go to a site like newegg and buy a motherboard, some ram, a processor, etc etc?
[04:31] <dude_dan> does someone has some experiences in installing horde on a ubuntu mashine
[04:32] <mivecz> i mean  ic56  only  to have  windows and use  a live  cd of  5.10 (can i save  my  updates my download  the  thing  i  get  install  )
[04:32] <mivecz> not have  ubuntu in  hard disk
[04:32] <Dr_Willis> bigfoot1,  I plan on getting the next system at MonarchComputers. :P pick what ya want and they build it for like $40.
[04:33] <ic56> mivecz: yes, you can, as long as the disk is not formatted with NTFS.  You can do it if the disk is FAT or FAT32.
[04:33] <bigfoot1> Dr_Willis: 40? do you mean 400?
[04:33] <Dr_Willis> bigfoot1,  $40 to assemble. :P
[04:34] <mivecz> <ic56 is  any tuttorial  how?
[04:34] <Dr_Willis> They got such a customization set up there. its scary.
[04:34] <bigfoot1> Dr_Willis: but is it cheaper than, say, buying a ready to use dell pc?
[04:34] <joe_> hi does any can help to install my graphic card?
[04:35] <Dr_Willis> bigfoot1, i think so. But if you want specific parts.. and dont want to pay the MS tax. :P  its worth a little more.
[04:35] <ic56> I've never tried this with Ubuntu liveCDs -- can one install additional applications into space on a local hard-disk and have them be part of the liveCD system?
[04:35] <soundray> bigfoot1, building from components isn't for everyone. I've done it, but I'd happily start from a barebones to save time. But it's a distinct possibility that you aren't in the target group for one :)
[04:35] <Zoroaster> someone please help
[04:35] <ysa> olaaaaaaaaaaa
[04:35] <soundray> !helpme
[04:35] <ubotu> If you do not actually ask a question, we can not actually help you.
[04:35] <ysa> como esats
[04:35] <Zoroaster> once someone told me about a GUI for samba, or a GUI samba type app for linux
[04:35] <ysa> estas ay
[04:35] <Zoroaster> does anyone knoe what I am talking about
[04:35] <frank23> !es
[04:35] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[04:35] <bigfoot1> soundray: i'm not in the target group for barebones or for "build-from-components??
[04:35] <Dr_Willis> Zoroaster,  dozens of them, smb4k is my favorite
[04:36] <Zoroaster> Dr_Willis, thanks, let me look into that one
[04:36] <Dr_Willis> Zoroaster,  xfsamba is another.
[04:36] <soundray> bigfoot1: I think you're not in the target group for barebones.
[04:36] <Dr_Willis> Zoroaster,  gnome has its own interface to samba also.
[04:36] <bigfoot1> i just want to save money. if buying a computer with Windows pre-installed is cheaper than barebones or buildfromcomponent, then i'll go with this cheaper option
[04:37] <Zoroaster> Dr_Willis, how do you invoke the gome interface?
[04:37] <bigfoot1> soundray: but do you think i'm in the target group for buildFromComponents then?
[04:37] <Dr_Willis> Zoroaster,  its right there in the file manager somewhere. :P lol - i tend to use kde.
[04:37] <Dr_Willis> Zoroaster,  smb:/// or somthing like that also. will get it to ya.
[04:37] <soundray> bigfoot1: sure, considering that you brought up the subject yourself :)
[04:38] <soundray> bigfoot1: but if you're trying to save money, it may or may not work out.
[04:38] <bigfoot1> soundray: but i don't understand, wouldn't buildFromComponent be more work than Barebones?
[04:38] <away_man> anyone here who can help me with Breezy & Win2k Active Directory this morning?
[04:38] <Dr_Willis> Best way to save $$ buildingyour own. is when you are able to reuse parts :P
[04:38] <ic56> I abuntu liveCD,s can one install additional applications into space on a local hard-disk and have them be part of the liveCD system when it boots?
[04:38] <soundray> bigfoot1: yes, it would.
[04:39] <rysiek|pl> guys, anybody can recommend a command-line tool for decoding *.ape (MonkeyAudio) files to wav?
[04:39] <soundray> bigfoot1: am I not making sense?
[04:39] <Dr_Willis> Bear bones saves ya the time to put the MB and case together. thats about an hr of work. :P if you are slow.
[04:39] <bigfoot1> soundray: so how come you tink i'm in the target group for BFC (more work) and not in the less-work Barebones? I'm afraid I don't understand
[04:39] <joe_> my graphique card is a matrox G450 does anybody now why the acceleration doesn't work? even after installing matrox driver and loading drm module
[04:39] <joe_> ?
[04:40] <bigfoot1> Dr_Willis: "reuse parts". you mean buying used parts? Or using the parts from an older computer lying around in the house?
[04:41] <soundray> bigfoot1: you said earlier "for people who don't want to waste money with Windows OS, we should just buy the parts  seperately, eh?". I concluded that you thought it was a good idea. Therefore, if I was selling you a computer, I would offer to sell it to you in parts to save you money.
[04:41] <pulgoki> is there any reason that firestarter would show active connections that wouldnt show up in netstsat?
[04:42] <Dr_Willis> bigfoot1,  i mean.. when making a new system.. i look at what i got in the old systems I have that i can reuse.. :P  Then over the next year or so - i upgrade the old parts in the  new system.. so when i build the NEXT system.. i got more parts to use
[04:42] <root_> Healot, another problem, i can't paste any files in /media/hda5/ my localdisc
[04:42] <Dr_Willis> bigfoot1,  then i put the older parts back and make lots of little cheap linux machines.  :)
[04:43] <root_> Healot: it says read-only, then i tried to gain 'write' right, but failed
[04:43] <caelistis> Good morning.
[04:44] <soundray> joe_, maybe your xorg.conf isn't set up for it yet. Run 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' and select mga as the driver.
[04:44] <root_> soundray, another problem, i can't paste any files in /media/hda5/ my localdisc
[04:44] <root_> soundray: it says read-only, then i tried to gain 'write' right, but failed
[04:44] <bigfoot1> soundray: i came to no conclusion, the "eh?" was to see whether my guess was true or false.
[04:44] <DeeJay1> root_: set proper umask in fstab?
[04:44] <soundray> root_: use 'sudo cp' on the commandline.
[04:45] <caelistis> May I ask a question?
[04:45] <ic56> pulgoki: I am not familiar with firestarter but, theoretically, a firewall has additional knowledge about its surroundings.  Are the extra connections UDP or TCP?  I'll bet they're UDP.
[04:45] <rysiek|pl> just ask
[04:45] <soundray> caelistis: NO! (just kidding)
[04:45] <Dr_Willis> You just did.. care to ask another? :P
[04:46] <bigfoot1> soundray: when i say "buy in parts", i was thinking of buying brand-new parts from a store such as newegg.com. I was wondering whether this route of buying all-brand-new components seperately is cheaper than buying a ready-to-use brandnew computer from a store such as dell.com
[04:46] <Ini5> Hey guys, I just installed Ubuntu for the first time. I just wanted to say hey, and it's a great distro!!  ;]
[04:46] <soundray> bigfoot1: true if you want to avoid throwing money down MS's throat for a product that you're not even going to use.
[04:46] <ic56> tw pulgoki
[04:46] <bigfoot1> soundray: but i don't mind throuwing money to MS if the total price is cheaper
[04:47] <caelistis> I am rather new to Ubuntu and I think my question is a rather simple one. All I wish to do is change the monitor resolution and, throught Gnome and Screen Resolution, the only option it grants me is 60Hz. I know this monitor is more than capable of greater resolutions. What must I do to enable a higher screen resolution?
[04:47] <Dr_Willis> bigfoot1,  i dont think you will save much $$ for an IDENTICAL system. but you will get to pick what exact parts you want. Dell has way too huge of a Bulk-discount.
[04:47] <soundray> bigfoot1: undecided or false if you think you will get a cheaper computer, or better performance for the same money.
[04:47] <Dr_Willis> bigfoot1,  plus dell can cut costs on other little things.
[04:47] <soundray> caelistis: look out for ubotu's message
[04:47] <soundray> !tell caelistis about fixres
[04:48] <visik7> how can I get ubuntu splash with vanilla kernel ?
[04:48] <bigfoot1> Dr_Willis: is that so? one big advice i got on the net with dell.com in particulal is to get the cheapest ram they are selling. then buy more ram elsewhere. This is how to save money on dell.com
[04:48] <bigfoot1> Dr_Willis: soundray, if that's the case, i'll just buy a computer with Windows-preinstalled.
[04:48] <Dr_Willis> bigfoot1,  what can suck is say dell skimped on the power supply, or case.. or other core parts. :(
[04:48] <caelistis> Thank you soundray, you've been most helpful.
[04:48] <soundray> bigfoot1: I was hoping you wouldn't come to that conclusion :(
[04:48] <gabbah> right, I have a serious problem with my mouse buttons. One of my side buttons produces the exact same button event as my left mouse button! How can I make my sidebutton work as "back" and the left button still work as usual? I can't distinquish them! :(
[04:49] <Dr_Willis> ram and video cards and so on are trivial upgrades. :P
[04:49] <away_man> looking for help pairing Ubuntu with Win2k Active directory.  Followed the Winbind Wiki, but not quite there yet  -help?
[04:49] <bigfoot1> soundray: you must if money doesn't grow on trees
[04:49] <bigfoot1> soundray: i'm not rich
[04:49] <bigfoot1> soundray: and even though i was, i'd probably still buy the cheaper one
[04:49] <soundray> bigfoot1: maybe the cheapest option for you is to tweak your existing system a bit.
[04:49] <nickrud> joe_, I think the 450 requires a defaultdepth of 16 for dri
[04:50] <bigfoot1> Dr_Willis: how can they skimp? you mean dell sometimes doesn't give what they promised?
[04:50] <soundray> bigfoot1: what's your current CPU and RAM?
[04:50] <Dr_Willis> bigfoot1,  they special order a 'cheaper' psu, or case, or whatever to their own specs.. saves them a few $ a pc..
[04:50] <bigfoot1> soundray: well, i'm currently in japan now. and i won't be bringing this desktop which i bought in tokyo back with me when i go home.
[04:51] <Dr_Willis> bigfoot1,  it all depends on how much of a "Gotta have exactly what i want" freak you are. :P
[04:51] <nickrud> gabbah, maybe https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ManyButtonsMouseHowto can help
[04:51] <gU1g4> blz gente??
[04:51] <gU1g4> hi everyone
[04:51] <bigfoot1> Dr_Willis: i'm not a "Gotta have exactly what i want" freak at all. not at all. not at all.
[04:51] <gU1g4> alguem aki eh brasileiro??
[04:51] <gabbah> nickrud, i have been using a howto... but in the howto they don't have MY problem :(
[04:52] <_jason> !br
[04:52] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br (/j #ubuntu-br) para ajuda em portugues. Obrigada.
[04:52] <soundray> bigfoot1: so, when you get home, you're looking to buy a new system, no matter what?
[04:52] <visik7> does ubuntu use suspend2 or the default swsusp of the kernel ?
[04:52] <bigfoot1> soundray: however, back in my home country, we have a 4 year old computer
[04:52] <bigfoot1> soundray: well, what cheap choices do i have?
[04:52] <nickrud> gabbah, an intellimouse?
[04:53] <soundray> bigfoot1: a four-year old computer isn't worth replacing, unless your into numbercrunching or gaming.
[04:53] <gabbah> nickrud, no, I have logitech MX500. I used a howto on mx500.
[04:53] <soundray> s/your/you are/
[04:53] <soundray> Hate it when that happens ^
[04:54] <bigfoot1> soundray: nope. i'm just into websurfing, email, digital cam pic uploading, skype
[04:54] <bigfoot1> etc
[04:54] <gabbah> nickrud, the thing is some of my buttons SHARE the same event, and are BOTH called button 3 for instance, so when i configure a button to do something, the other does it too, becuase it's also called button 3 :/
[04:55] <soundray> bigfoot1: what's the CPU, RAM and HD on the old system?
[04:55] <bigfoot1> soundray:that's a good question.
[04:55] <bigfoot1> soundray: let me see if i can find out that info from my family member back home
[04:56] <soundray> bigfoot1: let's take an educated guess: if it was new 4 years ago, it'll be a 1+GHz class system, probably with 128 or 256MB of RAM and a 40-80 GB HD.
[04:56] <Drakeson> does anyone have Wacom stuff here (and it's hopefully working)
[04:57] <nishoba> hello, i need help on make-ing rt2500 drivers on brezzy
[04:57] <bigfoot1> soundray: ok
[04:57] <bigfoot1> let's ay it is
[04:57] <soundray> bigfoot1: if you invest 100 quid in RAM and a new HD, and you put Dapper on it, you could be happy as a pig in dirt with it.
[04:57] <bigfoot1> soundray: this japanese pc i'm now using is 1.2 ghz and 256 mb ram. but sometimes i gotta wait  so long
[04:58] <bigfoot1> soundray: what's quid? a squid without the s? 8-)
[04:58] <nickrud> gabbah, I set up a 5 button mouse a long time ago, so I'm a bit fuzzy, but http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=65471 has instructions on using xev for identifying buttons, I'd look through that for some ideas
[04:58] <soundray> bigfoot1: sorry, somehow I thought you were originally British.
[04:58] <bigfoot1> soundray: well, thanks for that compliment mate
[04:58] <soundray> bigfoot1: I meant 150 in US$
[04:58] <nishoba> hello, i need help on make-ing rt2500 drivers on brezzy, can anyone help in private chat room?
[04:58] <bigfoot1> soundray: may i ask what made you honor me with that thought?
[04:59] <bigfoot1> soundray: is it my refined manners? 8-)
[04:59] <gabbah> nickrud, it's exactly xev I've been using to identify my buttons. and it tells me my buttons have conflicting numbers, since two buttons can have the same number
[04:59] <soundray> bigfoot1: well, if your spelling of honour doesn't prove me wrong, I don't know what does :)
[05:00] <ic56> soundray: we spell it that way here in Canada too.
[05:00] <bigfoot1> soundray: i don't get it. don't the brits spell it "honour"?
[05:00] <soundray> Where I come from, we spell it Ehre :)
[05:00] <soundray> bigfoot1: yes, they do. Same with colour and rigour
[05:01] <gabbah> nickrud, that link u gave me is the guide i was using.
[05:01] <ic56> oops. Yes, honour is the brit/cdn/probably australian spelling. `o' is US>
[05:01] <nickrud> gabbah, then I'm sorry I spoke up (not the first time)
[05:01] <Jaga> It's all just to make scrabble a slightly higher scoring game...
[05:01] <gabbah> nickrud, no it's ok... thanks anyway :)
[05:02] <mnuel> chat terra
[05:02] <mnuel> char terra
[05:04] <away_man> Can't log into Breezy with my Active Directory acount after using Winbind Wiki instructions.  Kinit works fine.  Can anyone here help?
[05:04] <bigfoot1> soundray: if i may pursue it a bit more: I spelt the word in a non-british way, so how come you thought i was british?
[05:06] <bigfoot1> soundray: i ask only out of curiousity.
[05:07] <soundray> bigfoot1: I apologized for having made an assumption about your nationality. The assumption stems back from the time when we chatted about the Gimp, and I don't know what brought it about.
[05:07] <soundray> *apologize
[05:08] <bigfoot1> soundray: not at all.
[05:08] <bigfoot1> soundray: i don't mind at all
[05:08] <bigfoot1> just curious
[05:08] <bigfoot1> soundray: oh, thanks by the way for remembering about helping me with gimp! 8-)
[05:08] <bigfoot1> soundray: and thanks too for this time.
[05:08] <bigfoot1> soundray: i guess i don't need to buy anything more than more ram.
[05:09] <bigfoot1> soundray: how come you suggested more harddrive?
[05:09] <bigfoot1> will dapper take a lot of gigs?
[05:09] <soundray> bigfoot1: no
[05:10] <soundray> bigfoot1: if you add a hard drive, and have a root partition on one and a /var and /home on the other, it can make your system more responsive.
[05:10] <soundray> bigfoot1: in certain circumstances I must add.
[05:10] <yohan> i just recompiled the kernel and i get this error when booting: kernel panic - not syncing: VFS:Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0), any ideas?
[05:10] <bigfoot1> soundray: so two harddirives is better than one, even when the total gig size is the same?
[05:11] <bigfoot1> soundray: in what circumstances?
[05:11] <soundray> bigfoot1: yes.
[05:11] <soundray> bigfoot1: in circumstances where the bus speed is higher than the maximum transfer rate of the bus.
[05:11] <soundray> bigfoot1: that would be the case in practically any desktop system of that age.
[05:12] <soundray> bigfoot1: correction: in circumstances where the bus speed is higher than the maximum transfer rate of the hard disk drives
[05:12] <bigfoot1> soundray: oh kay.
[05:12] <tristanmike> not to stick my nose, in, but it seems we've gotten "offtopic" here :P
[05:13] <bigfoot1> soundray: shall we continue this at offtopic?
[05:14] <GigaClon> so I belive some one had a kernel panic problem? can someone help him?
[05:15] <soundray> bigfoot1: I think we're discussing your hardware options for running Ubuntu. That should be fine on this channel, shouldn't it, tristanmike?
[05:15] <soundray> bigfoot1: anyway, we pretty much got to the bottom of it.
[05:15] <dwarner> Question: I started with (K)ubuntu Hoary, and did an apt-get dist-upgrade to get to Breezy.  I am running kernel linux-image-2.6.10-5-686-smp.  I see a lot of update for 10-6, but not of 10-5.  Should I be on 10-6?  When I do a dpkg -l \*linux-image\* I don't see 10-6 as an option.
[05:16] <Blippe> when i do "sudo lufsmount<EMAIL_ADDRESS>/mntpoint" i have to be root to use it, how do i give permission to my usual user?
[05:16] <dwarner> Current verison of linux-image-2.6.10-5-686-smp is 2.6.10-34.7
[05:16] <misfit> Hey guys :D I am running the buntu now. But I am having problems with my ATI :-(
[05:16] <tristanmike> soundray, well, it's kinda on topic, but it's not directly related, anyway, I was sayin before someone else did, I didn't mean to but in :)
[05:16] <GigaClon> blippe sudo
[05:17] <pedrocr> I followed the instructions here: "https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI" but the board isn't detected, is there anything else I can try?
[05:18] <misfit> pedrocr: have you looked at this ->>http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&highlight=dma
[05:18] <Neth> anyone interested in playing a network ubuntu game?
[05:18] <misfit> Might work. Didn't for me lol I am still struggling
[05:18] <ic56> Blippe: assuming the files in that directory are already owned by the same uid as you have on the mounting box, you're probably need to fix the permissions on the mount point.  Before mounting, chown it to yourself.
[05:18] <Blippe> GigaClon, "sudo cd" doesn't work, and i want the normal user to be able to use the fs, i don't want my mediaplayer to have root priviligies
[05:18] <msid> is there any decent gui application that can capture video from a usb camera ?
[05:18] <michael__> My network speed seems to be capped at ~300k, I tried another NIC, already disabled ipv6. Nothing helps. I read a couple of posts about probs with the new 2.6 kernel so i upgraded to dapper, no help. Can anyone help me?
[05:19] <pagvac> how to check distro version from terminal?
[05:19] <eobanb> pagevac: uname -a
[05:19] <dwarner> Is linux-image-2.6.10-5-686-smp  2.6.10-34.7 still being supported?
[05:19] <Blippe> Wait, i got it, of course i have to use the suid!
[05:19] <pagvac> no, i need the ubuntu flavor
[05:19] <ic56> pagvac: cat /etc/issue
[05:19] <nickrud> pagvac, lsb_release -a
[05:20] <pagvac> nickrud: that's the one i couldnt remember! thanx!
[05:20] <jadaz87> i was wondering if anybody here know anything about compiling packages
[05:20] <soundray> michael__: what kind of network are you connected to, and how?
[05:20] <gatita> holaaaaaaaaaaa
[05:20] <soundray> jadaz87: ubotu does
[05:20] <misfit> brb, I am going to restart X. Wish me luck :D
[05:20] <soundray> !compile
[05:20] <ubotu> A nice howto about compiling software from source code can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompilingSoftware (but remember to search !apt first, after adding all the !repos)
[05:21] <gatita> hola porfa conectaros con migo anda
[05:21] <pagvac> gatita: q dices gatita?
[05:21] <michael__> soundray: i am on my home netwerk, using a router. Any other machine in the house has normal connection speeds. It's a wired 100mbit full duplex connection
[05:21] <jadaz87> !compiling
[05:21] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompilingSoftware
[05:22] <greg__> hallo everybody
[05:22] <analfabeta> hi, how can i configure my proxy server?
[05:22] <soundray> michael__: is it a PCI NIC?
[05:22] <michael__> soundray: yes, a 3com. Also tried a realtek
[05:22] <greg__> anyone know how install mustek wcam 300a driver??
[05:23] <ic56> Neth:
[05:23] <soundray> michael__: are you using CAT5 cable? Tried switching that?
[05:23] <michael__> soundray: dmesg sais that it loaded:  3Com PCI 3c905C
[05:23] <ic56> Neth: do you need to test something out?
[05:23] <phus> how would I restart ssh on breezy via cli
[05:23] <michael__> soundray: it's cat5 cable, but there is also no packet loss
[05:24] <msid> is there any decent gui application that can capture video from a usb camera ?
[05:24] <soundray> phus: sudo /etc/init.d/ssh restart
[05:24] <pizzadude> michael__: you said its cat5 is it 2 pair or 4 pair wire?
[05:24] <soundray> michael__: is it connected to the same point as the machines that have normal speed?
[05:24] <graft> anyone have a clue why dovecot refuses to let me login, even with TLS?
[05:25] <michael__> pizzadud: it's a 4 pair wired cable. Autonegotiation also detects full duplex. I also manualy tried switching to halfduplex
[05:25] <soundray> msid: any v4l application should be able to do that, including xawtv and zapping
[05:26] <michael__> soundray: every othermachine in the house uses wireless... they outperform wired at the moment
[05:27] <graft> wireless outperforms wired?
[05:27] <soundray> michael__: what's at the other end of the patch cable?
[05:27] <msid> soundray: xawtv is the only app i managed to capture until now video as an avi file, no sound though
[05:27] <graft> boggle
[05:27] <eggzeck> out-perform wired? hard to believe :)
[05:27] <axnotizes> JOIN #centericq
[05:27] <msid> my question is if you know any applications
[05:27] <msid> except xawtv
[05:27] <msid> all v4l apps doesn't tell anything to me
[05:27] <michael__> eggzeck, it's true thats why i'm here, there is something wrong :P
[05:28] <soundray> msid, I've only tried the two above. Maybe 'apt-cache search video capture'?
[05:28] <michael__> soundray: at the other end there is a drayteck vigor 2600G router.
[05:28] <michael__> soundray: so that shouldn't normally give any problems
[05:28] <graft> michael__: do wireless packets run through that router?
[05:28] <soundray> michael__: have you tried connecting another machine to that router via a cable?
[05:29] <michael__> graft: yes
[05:29] <jadaz87> soundray what does this mean? make: *** No rule to make target `install'.  Stop.
[05:29] <michael__> soundray: i will try that now
[05:29] <msid> soundray: with zapping you can capture video ?
[05:29] <eggzeck> jadaz87: no make file
[05:29] <graft> hmm, no one knows anything about dovecot, eh
[05:29] <veldorzvizzerd> hello again, I've been trying to find a VoIP client that works well with both windows and linux, I found one here -> http://www.gizmoproject.com/download-linux.html - only problem is that now I'm not sure which linux package I should install and whether the one for these linux flavours would be compatible with ubuntu breezy badger - any ideas, soundray?
[05:29] <jadaz87> but there is a makefile :-\
[05:29] <eggzeck> what I meant was did you try make
[05:30] <jadaz87> libnetmd
[05:30] <jadaz87> i extracted with tar
[05:30] <soundray> msid: I remember seeing an option, but I haven't tried it. Haven't even used it for a long time, since I'm on DVB now (hooray).
[05:30] <eggzeck> then make install?
[05:30] <jadaz87> went into the directory
[05:30] <jadaz87> and did make install
[05:30] <jadaz87> yes
[05:30] <michael__> soundray: thanx so far btw. I am going to test the same cable using my notebook. So i'm going offline from this machine. I'll be back in a couple of mins
[05:30] <graft> veldorzvizzerd: the debian one is probably your best bet
[05:31] <eggzeck> did you configure (whatever it is you're trying to make?)
[05:31] <veldorzvizzerd> cheers graft :)
[05:31] <soundray> jadaz87: it may mean that you have to run 'make' by itself before 'make install'
[05:31] <Paedrigh> Rythmbox and mp3. gstreamer0.10-ugly is installed, but it still won't read mp3:s. Using dapper. Anyone got a qlue about what's up?
[05:32] <soundray> veldorzvizzerd: in the absence of a Ubuntu package, the Debian one is your best bet. No guarantees, though.
[05:32] <veldorzvizzerd> graft: should I download ibsipphoneapi OSS  or ALSA ?
[05:32] <jadaz87> soundray i just did that and it came up with a whole bunch of errors
[05:32] <graft> ALSA
[05:32] <veldorzvizzerd> thanks soundray, and graft :)
[05:32] <soundray> veldorzvizzerd: you could also drop them a line and ask for a ubuntu package.
[05:32] <veldorzvizzerd> will test it out and see how it goes
[05:32] <veldorzvizzerd> yea, will do
[05:32] <graft> ubuntu does seem to be the most popular distrib these days... you'd think it'd be more supported
[05:32] <GTX> is there anyway to play wm9 codec on linux?
[05:32] <soundray> jadaz87: did you run ./configure as well?
[05:33] <variant> whats some good games i can install on ubuntu?
[05:33] <variant> free ones
[05:33] <soundray> !tell GTX about w32codecs
[05:33] <veldorzvizzerd> true grafy
[05:33] <veldorzvizzerd> graft*
[05:33] <Paedrigh> Rythmbox and mp3. gstreamer0.10-ugly is installed, but it still won't read mp3:s. Using dapper. Anyone got a qlue about what's up?
[05:33] <yohan> i just compiled the kernel 2.6.16 and followed this guide:http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/debian_kernel2.6_compile/ and when i boot i get somekindof devfs error, is there anything i missed in my config file maybe?
[05:33] <graft> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=409024
[05:33] <apokryphos> variant: quite a few little games are available in the repositories
[05:33] <soundray> variant: I like penguincommand. But then, I'm stuck in the Eighties.
[05:33] <graft> variant
[05:33] <apokryphos> variant: i.e. kdegames
[05:33] <graft> check out that link
[05:34] <veldorzvizzerd> sorry, what was the command for installing a .deb application that I've just downloaded?
[05:34] <IcemanV9> Paedrigh: join #ubuntu+1 (dapper help)
[05:34] <jadaz87> soundray when i do that it just comes up blank
[05:34] <apokryphos> veldorzvizzerd: dpkg -i somepackage.deb
[05:34] <Paedrigh> thanx, Iceman
[05:34] <soundray> jadaz87: what are you compiling?
[05:34] <veldorzvizzerd> cheers apokryphos
[05:34] <variant> graft: what link?
[05:35] <jadaz87> soundray libnetmd  so i can use mt netmd mini disc player on ubuntu
[05:35] <graft> the linuxquestions one i posted just now
[05:36] <soran> hello, how do i recover my root-password?
[05:36] <yohan> please help me!
[05:37] <soundray> soran: boot in recovery mode, run passwd
[05:37] <variant> graft: yo posted a blank line
[05:37] <variant> graft: unless the text was black
[05:37] <ic56> soran: Ubuntu doesn't normally have a root password.
[05:37] <graft> um... maybe... http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=409024
[05:37] <ic56> !root
[05:37] <ubotu> By default, the root password is locked in Ubuntu. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[05:38] <ic56> !justask
[05:38] <ubotu> Ask your question and we'll try to answer it.
[05:38] <soundray> jadaz87: that software seems to be experimental. Perhaps you will get help on the project mailing list.
[05:38] <graft> maybe he's stuck in a tar pit with only a laptop to communicate for help, people...
[05:39] <yohan> i just compiled the kernel 2.6.16 and followed this guide:http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/debian_kernel2.6_compile/ and when i boot i get somekindof devfs error, is there anything i missed in my config file maybe?
[05:39] <veldorzvizzerd> thanks again apokryphos, and btw, soundray, the debian one works perfectly
[05:40] <veldorzvizzerd> so thanks
[05:40] <veldorzvizzerd> :)
[05:40] <john__> hey any1 there?
[05:40] <soundray> yohan: you should follow ubuntu instructions if you want to compile a kernel for ubuntu.
[05:40] <yohan> soundray: i cant find any guide
[05:40] <GTX> soundray, Just installed them but I still cant play it
[05:40] <GTX> :S
[05:41] <john__> any1 there?
[05:41] <soundray> yohan: having said that, maybe after installing devfsd you can boot the new kernel.
[05:41] <graft> yohan: did you build devfs support into your kernel?
[05:41] <IcemanV9> yohan: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCompileHowto
[05:41] <yohan> graft: i cant find the option in gconfig...is it there?
[05:42] <ic56> !justask john__
[05:42] <ubotu> ic56: My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[05:42] <soulreaper> hello. i want to access a windoes share... whast program should i install for that? :)
[05:42] <ic56> !justask
[05:42] <ubotu> Ask your question and we'll try to answer it.
[05:42] <proximus> hi
[05:42] <graft> yohan: um. it's usually in file systems/pseudo fs
[05:43] <soundray> GTX, what player?
[05:43] <proximus> how can set java path on my ubuntu
[05:43] <proximus> fabio italy
[05:43] <proximus> thanks
[05:43] <graft> you might just try disabling it if you have it
[05:43] <GTX> soundray, Ive tried on vlc and mplayer
[05:43] <away_man> joined Breezy machine to Win2k Active Directory, but unable to log into Breezy with my AD account(s).  Any help here?
[05:43] <yohan> brb
[05:44] <soundray> GTX: installed from the repositories?
[05:44] <GTX> soundray, installed what?
[05:44] <GTX> mplayer?
[05:44] <graft> GTX: are they DRM'd?
[05:44] <soundray> GTX, yes, and vlc
[05:44] <GTX> yes i have soundray
[05:44] <GTX> graft, how can i find out
[05:45] <proximus> how can I set java path on my ubuntu
[05:45] <pmarrone> Hi, to all, my ubuntu ver 5.10 64bit installation can't see my SATA II disk, is this controller supported?
[05:45] <proximus> someone help me
[05:45] <proximus> ??
[05:45] <graft> um. if they are, they'll play, you'll just get gibberish
[05:45] <soundray> proximus: with an export CLASSPATH= statement
[05:45] <GTX> graft, they dont play at all
[05:45] <GTX> all i hear off them
[05:45] <GTX> is sound
[05:46] <proximus> thanks
[05:46] <soundray> proximus: ~/.bashrc is a good place to add that.
[05:46] <GNU_Style> i compiled a custom kernel and installed it, is it safe to delete the /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.12 directory? and the linux-source-2.6.12.tar.bz2 file?
[05:46] <_jason> GTX: do you have w32codecs installed?
[05:46] <fgdf> hi  i have problems with my screen resolution
[05:46] <GTX> _jason, yes.
[05:46] <michael__> so i'm back. Same problem on my windows notebook. On the same machine wired is slow, wireless is fast. Tried a different cable, same problem. So the problem must be at the router
[05:46] <_jason> GTX: and you are using 386?
[05:46] <soundray> GNU_Style: it should be, unless you later want to compile extra modules.
[05:47] <GTX> _jason, yes
[05:47] <graft> GTX: what does mplayer say about codecs?
[05:47] <pmarrone> does anyone has the answer to my question?
[05:47] <GTX> graft, when I play it in mplayer it just plays sound
[05:47] <GTX> doesnt say anything
[05:47] <evilz> hi  i have problems with my screen resolution, i have dapper now and i have this problem.  some one cant help me?
[05:48] <graft> it should at least say what codec it tried, or that it failed to find one
[05:48] <graft> are you playing from the CL?
[05:48] <soundray> GTX, mplayer always produces copious output on stdout. Maybe you have to start it from a terminal
[05:48] <GNU_Style> ic, if I check my sound card driver under xconfig, is it safe to disable ALSA? since the driver is already compiled in the kermel?
[05:48] <GTX> graft, CL?
[05:48] <GTX> soundray, woot I started it from console
[05:48] <GTX> and it worked
[05:48] <GTX> thanks!
[05:48] <arrick_> hi, Im arrick
[05:48] <veldorzvizzerd> how would I install java or allow javascript to run on ubuntu, the firefox on here doesn't seem to support it for some reason?
[05:49] <_jason> ubotu: tell veldorzvizzerd about java
[05:49] <soundray> GNU_Style: I wouldn't disable ALSA unless there was a very good reason.
[05:49] <_jason> veldorzvizzerd: javascript is different from java
[05:49] <veldorzvizzerd> oh, i c
[05:49] <GTX> soundray, any idea why it works from terminal?
[05:49] <arrick_> is there a linux version that just runs a file and print server?
[05:50] <soundray> GTX: how did you start it when it didn't work?
[05:50] <evilz> hi  i have problems with my screen resolution, i have dapper now and i have this problem.  some one cant help me?
[05:50] <GNU_Style> so wats the purpose of including the soundcard driver to my kernel if I still run ALSA?
[05:50] <dcgarri> New to linux here.... I installed and uprgraded to 5.10 last night... i have everything working EXCEPT the DVD playback.... I installed the ATI drivers available on the site, but the video is running as if i have no video card... any thoughts?
[05:50] <GTX> soundray, double clicked mplayer and clicked open file then ok
[05:50] <_jason> GTX: does it work if you do 'gmplayer file.wmv' ?
[05:51] <Dr_Willis> dcgarri,  you got dma enabled for the dvd drives?
[05:51] <soundray> GTX, no idea. Much better to use the terminal, anyway -- it's the Linux way.
[05:51] <sYndax> uhm... having installion problems... ne1 care to help?
[05:51] <ic56> arrick_: try http://distrowatch.org
[05:51] <pmarrone> Hi, to all, my ubuntu ver 5.10 64bit installation can't see my SATA II disk, is this controller supported?
[05:51] <dcgarri> how would i go about enabling dma?
[05:51] <_jason> !dma
[05:52] <soundray> GNU_Style: ALSA is more than a driver module.
[05:52] <arrick_> Thanks ic56
[05:52] <_jason> !+dma
[05:52] <ubotu> dma is, like, totally, Direct Memory Access/Addressing. A method of transferring data from one memory area to another without having to go through the central processing unit. It makes your hard disks run faster :-).  DMA from the ubuntu wiki guide https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DMA
[05:52] <tsgomez> hello all
[05:53] <dcgarri> that's great... thanks again!
[05:53] <ic56> !justask
[05:53] <ubotu> Ask your question and we'll try to answer it.
[05:53] <tsgomez> I'm having a problem installing Ubuntu, can someone help?
[05:53] <GTX> yes _jason  it does
[05:53] <soundray> tsgomez: it's hard to tell if you don't describe the problem.
[05:54] <sYndax> i finsihed the 1st install stage, installed it on a diff hdd, install the boot loader and after reboot it loads xp... like ubuntu dont exist
[05:54] <arrick_> ic56, do I have to be a genious to get my older box set to run these versions?
[05:54] <_jason> GTX: ok makes no sense to me then.  Make sure the shortcut says 'gmplayer'
[05:55] <ic56> arrick_: how old a box? P-III? pentium-MMX?  386?
[05:55] <GNU_Style> ic, after compiling my kernel as .deb, how do I build a kernel header?
[05:55] <variant> is there an apt package for nexuiz ? i cant seem to find it
[05:55] <soundray> sYndax: you may have to change boot priorities in the BIOS setup.
[05:55] <arrick_> mmx
[05:55] <sYndax> i tried... i tried booting the ubuntu dvd.... it says error loading operating system
[05:55] <arrick_> ic56: mmx
[05:55] <misfit> can someone help with my ati 9600xt. I have followed countless tutorials and it just isn't having it :-/
[05:55] <sYndax> ubuntu hdd sorry...
[05:56] <Masterkong> heloo
[05:56] <away_man> pmarrone: do you have RAID enabled on your SATA controller?
[05:56] <pmarrone> no, ...
[05:56] <GNU_Style> ic, after compiling my kernel as .deb, how do I build a kernel header?
[05:56] <katerine> hi
[05:57] <Masterkong> i'm used to the quality of cinema craft encoder from windoze.. what is the best encoder under linux?
[05:57] <pmarrone> away_man: from the bios is not selected any raid
[05:57] <away_man> don't really know that I can help; I was just doing some digging on your problem since I'm having no luck with mine
[05:57] <ic56> arrick_: most of today's distros come with GUI and are too heavy for MMX.    However, there are some distros explictly targetted at older hw and will be easy to install.
[05:57] <arrick_> ic56: I forgot to mention that the other computers on my network are running XP Pro.
[05:57] <tsgomez> I'm installing a dual-boot with WinXP.  I've d/l Ubuntu 5.10, md5 checks out, BIOS is set to boot from CD, but when I restart, it boots XP instead of running the Ubuntu installer
[05:57] <sYndax> soundray: i tried... i tried booting the ubuntu hdd.... it says error loading operating system
[05:57] <pmarrone> away_man: umhh ok thanks
[05:58] <ic56> arrick_: are you completely new to Linux, or have you done this kind of thing before?
[05:58] <arrick_> ic56: do you know where I might get a copy of one of them?
[05:58] <tsgomez> does anyone have an idea why?
[05:58] <GTX> _jason, actuly gmplayer doesnt work
[05:58] <katerine> how to open a jpeg file that comes from a Mac on Ubuntu (whatever the img format is, all te generated img files are seen as BinHex)
[05:58] <Dr_Willis> tsgomez,  look on the cd.. what files do you see?
[05:58] <arrick_> ic56: I'm completely new, and trying to learn linux ahile I am in school for network adminisration
[05:58] <katerine> ?
[05:59] <Masterkong> what is the best mpeg2 encoder in linux?
[05:59] <tsgomez> ubuntu-5.10-install-i386.iso
[05:59] <soundray> katerine: install the macutils package and convert them with the util (I forget what the name was)
[05:59] <pramirez> ola
[05:59] <_jason> GTX: what does it say
[05:59] <away_man> pmarrone: something here may help you (?)  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=664688#post664688
[06:00] <pramirez> ola a todos
[06:00] <Trae> what's a decent Gnome Bittorrent client?  the default one that comes with Ubuntu sucks.
[06:00] <away_man> Question:  joined Breezy machine to Win2k Active Directory, but unable to log into Breezy with my AD account(s).  Any help here?
[06:00] <pmarrone> away_man: thanks i'm going to check
[06:00] <soundray> sYndax: so you can't boot the HD installation or the DVD. Maybe those are separate issues.
[06:00] <sYndax> HDD sorry typo.
[06:00] <sYndax> i tried booting that hdd directly it said error loading operating system.
[06:01] <void^> Trae: if you want gui, azureus
[06:01] <Trae> void^, okies
[06:01] <Masterkong> mpeg2 encoders anyone?
[06:01] <void^> Trae: be sure to use sun's java
[06:01] <Dr_Willis> Masterkong,  check the wiki/forums :P
[06:01] <arrick_> ic56: the one thing I worry about is trying to get it setup, the printer is USB and I have xp pro on the mmx right now, and I am trying to get an os that will be faster on it
[06:01] <sYndax> soundray: i tried booting that hdd directly it said error loading operating system.
[06:01] <Masterkong> thank you
[06:01] <Trae> oh
[06:01] <Trae> :/
[06:02] <Trae> java
[06:02] <Dr_Willis> Masterkong,  when in doubt.. always check the wiki/forums :P
[06:02] <Trae> heh
[06:02] <graft> Trae: try ktorrent... it's KDE but it is damn nice
[06:02] <GTX> _jason, no errors
[06:02] <tsgomez> Dr_Willis: I see ubuntu-5.10-install-i386.iso
[06:02] <ic56> arrick_: try DSL (Damn Small Linux), or Slackware.  The first is meant to be small but is more oriented to the desktop user.  The latter is more hands-on, so you learn more.  Read the reviews on distrowatch.org for more info.  Personally, I encountered no problems installing Debian on an MMX system.  The advantage, if you already use ubuntu, is tha the package manager is same.
[06:02] <veldorzvizzerd> how did you put ubuntu file on the CD, tsgomez?
[06:02] <_jason> GTX: can you pastebin the output?
[06:02] <GTX> sure
[06:02] <arrick_> ok
[06:02] <tsgomez> burned it as an iso using AVS Disc Creator
[06:02] <arrick_> ic56: thanks for your help, I'll try both
[06:02] <soundray> syndax: somehow your grub installation seems to have failed. Try fixing it following the instructions in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[06:03] <arrick_> ic56: will the slax version work, or is it one of the gui versions?>
[06:03] <sYndax> it said it installed the grub...
[06:03] <veldorzvizzerd> hm, I don't see why it shouldn't work.. Dr_Willis?
[06:03] <graft> ic56: what does "hands-on" mean, impossibly hard to configure?
[06:03] <ic56> arrick_: slackware's installer is not GUI so it should install fine on a smaller box.
[06:04] <Dr_Willis> tsgomez,  congrats - you made a cd with the image file on it.. you bunt it wrong. :P
[06:04] <Dr_Willis> tsgomez,  what did you burn the file with?
[06:04] <tsgomez> oh :S
[06:04] <epp> hey
[06:04] <veldorzvizzerd> I used ISO Recorder, tsgomez
[06:04] <epp> anyone here a mac user?
[06:04] <redeeman> hello
[06:04] <GTX> _jason, http://pastebin.com/620226
[06:04] <Dr_Willis> tsgomez,  I tend to use "Burn At Once" for my Iso burning needs under windows.
[06:04] <redeeman> can anyone tell me where ubuntu keeps it's equivelant of rc.local?
[06:04] <soundray> sYndax: give it a chance, follow the instructions I linked you to.
[06:05] <sYndax> will chk ty :)
[06:05] <veldorzvizzerd> tsgomez, in case you wanna give it a try - ISO Recorder is here -> http://isorecorder.alexfeinman.com/isorecorder.htm
[06:05] <Masterkong> couldn't find anything useful in the wiki or the forums..
[06:05] <jsmidt> I need to get a hold of freenode staff.  It tells me how to finf if there are staff members on, on the page http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#messageyou.  But how do I send them a message?
[06:05] <tsN00B> ah...ok, let me try that.   ISO Recorder, then Burn at Once.  Thanks :)  I'll be back to let you know :)
[06:05] <GTX> _jason, is there anyway to get vlc player to play it
[06:05] <ic56> graft: it means the instructions tell you to edit files with a text editor.  I haven't installed it this decade so don't know how good the instructions are.
[06:05] <Masterkong> isn't anyone making dvds here?
[06:05] <Dr_Willis> tsN00B,  I like burn at once better.. but it dont do dvd images. :(
[06:05] <apokryphos> jsmidt: /msg username somemessage
[06:06] <_jason> GTX: only if you compile your own
[06:06] <jsmidt> thanks apokryphos
[06:06] <Dr_Willis> Masterkong,  i tend to rip them to video files and thats it. :P
[06:06] <GTX> _jason, is it easy?
[06:06] <epp> anyone a PPC linux user?
[06:06] <tsN00B> hmm...I don't have the Burn At Once option :/
[06:07] <Masterkong> ehh.. i want to encode a new mpeg2 fiel
[06:07] <Masterkong> *file
[06:07] <_jason> GTX: have you compiled anything before?
[06:07] <Dr_Willis> Masterkong, fire up synaptic and enter dvd for a serch item. and see whats there.
[06:07] <GTX> lol yes _jason  :p
[06:07] <away_man> tsN00B: http://www.dvd-replica.com/dvdfreeware4.php
[06:08] <veldorzvizzerd> tsN00B, I think that Burn At Once is for making dvd replicas
[06:08] <graft> GTX, it works from the shell fine? just not with gmplayer?
[06:08] <Masterkong> ok.. but i wanna know before.. if there are any programs that can compete with cce.
[06:08] <GTX> graft, correct
[06:08] <ic56> redeeman: the equivalent to rc.local looks very different in AT&T style unix (including Ubuntu).  Instead of a file, it's a directory of files.
[06:08] <graft> can you pastebin the output from non-gui mplayer?
[06:08] <Masterkong> else i have to try to run cce with wine
[06:08] <_jason> GTX: try playing with the video out preferences in gmplayer
[06:08] <Masterkong> and then i kinda defeat the meaning of switching to linus
[06:08] <redeeman> ic56: doesent ubuntu have a file you can put your stuff in, which it runs at the end of all startup stuff, no matter which runlevel you to go
[06:09] <GNU_Style> ic, after compiling my kernel as .deb, how do I build a kernel header?
[06:09] <ic56> redeeman: put a file in /etc/init.d  then symlink it to /etc/rc?.d
[06:09] <GTX> _jason, i want it to work in vlc
[06:09] <GTX> i hate mplayer
[06:09] <GTX> ;x
[06:09] <_jason> GTX: I love mplayer, I am not going to help you.  <evil laugh>
[06:09] <pizzadude> who here is most familiar with dd command?
[06:09] <GTX> lol
[06:09] <GTX> ;d
[06:09] <_jason> GTX: http://www.nanocrew.net/2005/09/01/compiling-vlc/
[06:09] <ic56> redeeman: sorry, it doesn't.  No linux system does.  What you describe is a BSD-style setup.
[06:09] <veldorzvizzerd> by the way, anyone here know where I could get a widget engine for ubuntu (breezy) similar to Konfabulator (Yahoo Widget Engine) in windows?
[06:10] <graft> mplayer is my favorite app on linux, hands down
[06:10] <sYndax> soundray: i got XP on 1 disc and ubuntu on another... the guide says to install the grub on the partition with ububut... but that hadd dun have an mbr... it wont help...
[06:11] <dcgarri> I asked a DVD question a few minutes ago and was instructed to make sure that DMA was turned on for DVD drives... I opened the hdparm.conf file and found that dma was "on" for cdrom drives... would this also cover dvd drives?  (I have two drives)
[06:11] <arrick_> im still here, had 2 tabs open
[06:11] <pizzadude> put grub on compact flash card
[06:11] <sYndax> i intentionaly install ubuntu on a diff hdd so i can recover... but the MBR is on the primary XP hdd... the guide says to point the grub to the UBUNTU parition (which is on a diff hdd).
[06:11] <soop> anyone half decent with php/mysql?
[06:11] <redeeman> ic56: really? gentoo has it, slackware has it, arch has it
[06:11] <Masterkong> quit
[06:12] <ic56> redeeman: I didn't know that.  I've never used gentoo and it's been a long time since I used slackware.
[06:12] <variant> insmod: error inserting 'rt2x00-2.0.0-b3/rt2x00core.ko': -1 Unknown symbol in module
[06:12] <variant> anyone can help me with that?
[06:13] <IcemanV9> !tell dcgarri about hdparm
[06:13] <redeeman> ic56: slackware has had it for as long as it existed, and i know that gentoo have had it in many years
[06:13] <misfit> " fglrx-kernel-2.6.12-9-386: Depends: xorg-driver-fglrx (= 8.22.5-1) but 8.23.7-1 is to be installed
[06:13] <misfit> E: Broken packages
[06:13] <misfit> " grrr
[06:13] <misfit> I hate computers lol
[06:13] <ic56> redeeman: thx for the info.  re you familiar with init.d style setup?
[06:13] <ali4728> Help needed! Is there a way to force [rmdir somedir/*]  remove all sub folders and files within a directory without going into every subdir and clean existing files? thnx
[06:14] <_jason> ali4728: rm -r
[06:14] <variant> are there any nice theme or artwork packages i can install?
[06:14] <redeeman> ic56: yes but debian/ubuntu is all insane about it, with the symlinks in rcX.d stuff
[06:14] <cavediver> Anyone runs emvs ?
[06:14] <ic56> redeeman: isn't that the standard way?
[06:14] <redeeman> ic56: gentoo has a much more modern view of runlevels and the init system
[06:14] <cavediver> evms
[06:14] <ali4728> thanks _jason
[06:14] <variant> redeeman: agread
[06:15] <redeeman> ic56: the standard was from before a computer barely existed, it's obsolete
[06:15] <variant> redeeman: is there an init-ng package for ubuntu?
[06:15] <redeeman> variant: else you can compile it, but init-ng isn't really so much better, the thing that makes boot slow isn't sysvinit, it's the scripts sysvinit invokes
[06:16] <variant> redeeman: i know.. initng doesnt use them
[06:16] <redeeman> and since initng has it's own init scripts, they don't do as much, thereby aving time
[06:16] <variant> redeeman: yeah..
[06:16] <variant> redeeman: init ng does things in paralel instead of serial
[06:16] <variant> afaik
[06:17] <redeeman> variant: gentoo has support for parallel init scripts ;)
[06:17] <redeeman> with sysvinit ;)
[06:17] <redeeman> it's just a variable you set in /etc/conf.d/rc
[06:17] <Janno> Why the amarok dont show subtitles?
[06:17] <misfit> Need some help :-(  My system setup has been easy so far but fglrx refuses to be installed etc etc
[06:17] <pizzadude> i need help with dd anybody know anything about it other than the sheer basics?
[06:17] <Nabiki> Anyone know much about installing Ubuntu on laptops?
[06:17] <Janno> totem'
[06:18] <Janno> *
[06:18] <veldorzvizzerd> just installed it on my laptop today, Nabiki, I'll try and help
[06:18] <pizzadude> Nabiki: isnt there a howto on the ubuntu website? i think i seen on there?
[06:19] <Janno> Why the totem dont show subtitles?
[06:19] <pizzadude> i am not YET running Ubuntu, but i am reading into it.
[06:19] <visik7> I've recompiled a vanilla kernel but now splash doesn't work
[06:19] <visik7> how can I patch it ?
[06:20] <Nabiki> I will look into the howto.  My main worry is the video I think.  The live CD didn't like my video at all. hehe :P
[06:20] <ic56> pizzadude: maybe I can help
[06:20] <_jason> pizzadude: best way is to try the livecd
[06:22] <pizzadude> ic56: i will have to take you up on that offer later, i gotta call, gotta run now.
[06:22] <pizzadude> _jason: yeah live cd is cool but i am looking for server application without x.
[06:23] <ic56> pizzadude: if you don't want X, Ubuntu is the wrong distro for you.  Try Debian.
[06:24] <epp> How do i get limewire to run on PPC linux, i have downloaded ibm linux but limewire errors on load. Any help?
[06:24] <_jason> ic56: why?
[06:24] <pizzadude> ic56: call canceled!  so are you familiar with dd? i am trying to clone a drive thats giving me issues.
[06:24] <Janno> Why the totem dont show subtitles?
[06:24] <ic56> pizzadude: ask your question.
[06:26] <pizzadude> ok, i use basic dd command to copy partion to a file. sda1.img, sda5.img, and sda6.img then when i try to copy that partion info or file to a new partion nothing is copied, drive says space is used but no files apear to be there
[06:26] <hso> howdy :S
[06:26] <hso> could i get some help with java please?
[06:27] <hso> i "think" i've installed it, but dslreports still says i don't have it installed -.-
[06:27] <epp> hso, type "sudo update-alternatives --config java" and pick the java sun package.
[06:27] <ic56> pizzadude: are you copying to different partitions on teh same drive, or to a different drive alltogether?
[06:28] <Fawzib> I have a bash question, is there a way to check if a function is declared?
[06:28] <pizzadude> different drive altogether.. sda1 to sdc1
[06:28] <hso> epp -- which do i select, 1 or 2?
[06:28] <ic56> Fawzib: use: "type <function>"
[06:29] <hso> 1 is gij-wrapper, 2 is java-gcj
[06:29] <yancheng> Hi, I want to experiment with chmod g+s and chmod u+s http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10720
[06:29] <Fawzib> ic56: how do I use it in a script: if [ type <function> ] ; then whatever?
[06:29] <veldorzvizzerd> how do I install something that is in a diff.gz archive?
[06:29] <yancheng> i try to make a root owned file as read only. access deny for other
[06:30] <yancheng> i wrote a hehe script, with setgid and setuid turn on
[06:30] <hso> hmm.. i typed in "2" for my selection, and all i see is this --
[06:30] <hso> Using `/usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj/bin/java' to provide `java'.
[06:30] <hso> root@ubuntu:/usr#
[06:30] <yancheng> when i login as other and execute hehe, the hehe cannot delete the root owned file
[06:30] <epp> hso, what are they labled?
[06:30] <hso>   Selection    Alternative
[06:30] <hso> -----------------------------------------------
[06:30] <hso>       1        /usr/bin/gij-wrapper-4.0
[06:30] <hso> *+    2        /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj/bin/java
[06:31] <epp> hso, you need to get the seveas java package...
[06:31] <apokryphos> hso: do NOT paste in here. Use a pastebin service.
[06:31] <epp> !seveas
[06:31] <ubotu> Seveas has a semi-popular 3rd party repository for several packages. More info (and mirrors) on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[06:31] <hso> apokryphos,  -- sorry... i don't know what pastebin is...
[06:31] <apokryphos> !tell hso about pastebin
[06:31] <hso> epp - how do i do that?
[06:32] <Janno> Why the totem dont show subtitles? Help please
[06:32] <epp> hso hold on ill get the linkx.
[06:32] <ic56> pizzadude: `type' may be the wrong solution for this.  It will return true regardless of whether the item is a function or a file.  Do you care about the difference?
[06:32] <ic56> Fawzib: `type' may be the wrong solution for this.  It will return true regardless of whether the item is a function or a file.  Do you care about the difference?
[06:32] <hso> epp - ok
[06:33] <ic56> pizzadude: you said it told you the disk wasn't empty.  What do you mean by that?  Were you able to mount the filesystem and it appeared empty?
[06:33] <veldorzvizzerd> _jason, did  you say earlier that you have WiFi on your desktop?
[06:34] <ardchoille> Really awesome project: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=149673
[06:34] <Fawzib> I'm making an init.d script and I want it to work in debian and ubuntu, want to check if the lsb init-functions exist, also breezy's log function is called log_begin_msg and dapper is log_daemon_msg
[06:35] <pizzadude> ic56: yes i mounted and then df it said the drive was 59% used but inside the mounted directory, there were no files
[06:35] <epp> hso, go to "http://mirror2.ubuntulinux.nl/pool/java/sun-j2re1.5_1.5.0+update06_i386.deb" and download that.
[06:35] <pizzadude> i can make it work for the active drive such as to dd sda1 to /dev/sdc1 but cannot make the image file dd to the drive, i have tried partions (sda1.img to /dev/sdc1) and complete drives (sda.img /dev/sdc) with no luck.
[06:36] <reflect> anyone with AMD64, an ATI X800 (or similar) gfx card that has gotten dri and 3D to work correctly? I seem to be running into a rare bug (or I'm missing a step or something)
[06:36] <veldorzvizzerd> could anyone help me setting up a wireless PCI card driver on ubuntu?
[06:36] <ic56> Fawzib: sounds like you only care whether the things exist, not what type they are.  the command you proposed will work but remember to redirect its output -- like so: if [ type fn >/dev/null ]
[06:36] <ic56>  then echo fn exists
[06:36] <ic56>  fi
[06:36] <echoo> hi.. anyone could help me setup Xgl on breezy?
[06:36] <reflect> I'm experiencing *exactly* this problem >> http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33846081
[06:37] <ic56> Fawzib: spend some time reading the bash manpage.  There's lots of neat features to learn and you may discover one that is more efficient than type -- ie one that doesn't have the overhead of producing output.
[06:37] <hso> downloading.. it's a mighty big file..
[06:37] <Fawzib> ic56: yup, thats what im doing right now
[06:37] <echoo> it gives me an error saying that cant find libdrm.so.1
[06:39] <ic56> pizzadude: that sounds odd.  Could there be a problem with your mount point?  For starters, is it an empty directory before you mount on to it?
[06:39] <cA1mAn> should i encounter problems with dualbooting? i already have windows 2000 installed.
[06:40] <ic56> brb
[06:40] <cA1mAn> and also where is a GOOD TUTORIAL for dualbootinh
[06:40] <nalioth> cA1mAn: you should have no problems
[06:40] <nalioth> ubotu: tell cA1mAn about dualboot
[06:40] <azurehuesofblue> Isn't there a proggy that reads XChat to you through the speakers?
[06:40] <jcapote> is there a way to refresh the gnome applet selector without having to log off/ log on
[06:40] <jcapote> after installing applets
[06:40] <cA1mAn> thx, nalioth
[06:40] <Janno> Why the totem dont show subtitles? Help please
[06:40] <nalioth> jcapote: in a terminal, type "killall gnome-panel"
[06:41] <dolo> G'day.. I just have a quick question.   When I click on pretty much any item in the System -> Administration menu, it starts trying to run it then does nothing.   I get the impression that it wants the root user to run these programs, but it is not bringing up a dialogue asking for the root password.  Any ideas?
[06:41] <kingspawn> Fawzib: why do you need to check if a function has been defined?
[06:41] <jcapote> nalioth: that would just kill the gnome panel....?
[06:41] <yancheng> anyone here familiar with setuid?
[06:41] <pizzadude> ic56: its empty when mounted, i also mount under generic mount point /mnt/windows.. i can dd the drive to the drive just not the img file to the drive.  is there a special something that i am overlooking to create the img file? maybe it dont like generic file names like sda1.img?
[06:41] <reflect> yancheng: and the real question is.. ?
[06:42] <Fawzib> kingspawn: I'm making an init.d script and I want it to work in debian and ubuntu, want to check if the lsb init-functions exist, also breezy's log function is called log_begin_msg and dapper is log_daemon_msg. Maybe there is another way to do it.
[06:42] <nalioth> jcapote: i'm not familiar with what you are asking. when changes are made to the menus and such recycling the panel brings them into usage
[06:42] <cA1mAn> i have a 120 GB disk with ~80 GB of dara, atm it's ntfs, can i make a partition for UBUNTU installation + 30 GB ext3 disk of that WITHOUT LOSING ANY DATA (really important!)?
[06:42] <jcapote> nalioth: nevermind i actually didnt have to do anything, they magically appear there
[06:42] <thomas> hey there i was thinking is it posible to play any kind of games
[06:42] <epp> hso, you there?
[06:42] <hso> yes
[06:42] <kingspawn> Fawzib: check which distribution your are on might be easier?
[06:43] <veldorzvizzerd> hello, anyone know much about setting up wifi on ubuntu?
[06:43] <yggdrasil_> !dapper
[06:43] <ubotu> Dapper Drake will be the next release of Ubuntu - due June 1 (see: http://tinyurl.com/qyrkq). Join channel #ubuntu+1 for discussion :)
[06:43] <hso>  he file is still downloading, it's only downloading at a max rate of 47.2kb/s :(
[06:43] <hso> the file**
[06:43] <ic56> pizzadude: Whoa!  this is a *windows* partition?!?
[06:44] <cA1mAn> i have a 120 GB disk with ~80 GB of data, atm it's ntfs, can i make a partition for UBUNTU installation + 30 GB ext3 disk of that WITHOUT LOSING ANY DATA (really important!)?
[06:44] <yancheng> reflect: i expect if the executable file owner is A. if i set the user id of that file to be on, even i login as B and execute that file, Linux still will think I am execute as A, right?
[06:44] <pizzadude> ic56: NO! its just a generec mount point.. its ext3 filesystem
[06:44] <Blippe> cA1mAn, yes...
[06:44] <reflect> yancheng: provided the file is a binary, and not a shellscript.. correct
[06:44] <epp> hso, k well msn me when its done.
[06:44] <schmirgo> does anyone know in which file i can turn off starting of hald at boottime?
[06:45] <cA1mAn> Blippe, so it's almost 100% sure?
[06:45] <epp> hso, msg*
[06:45] <yancheng> reflect: :O oh, must be binary, cannot be shellscript :O
[06:45] <hso> roger
[06:45] <Blippe> cA1mAn, but it noone can tell you it won't be able to break... some freak thing could happen
[06:45] <Blippe> close to 100%
[06:45] <dolo> Anyone?  I cannot open the drives on the desktop as they're owned by root, as well.. shouldn't it just ask me for the root password, to browse them?
[06:45] <yancheng> reflect: just now i wrote a shell script and print whoami :P
[06:45] <reflect> yancheng: heh, I ran into that one today..  it's cause when shellscripts are executed.. they write some gunk into a tempfile, which can be abused..  so I think they turned that off
[06:46] <reflect> yancheng: however, sudo is your friend
[06:46] <Fawzib> kingspawn: hmm, i guess I could check that but if [ "`test -f <func>`" = "function"  ]  works :)
[06:46] <Blippe> dolo, no, it shouldn't...
[06:46] <knight__> hi I have an averatec 1000
[06:46] <schmirgo> dolo, edit your fstab and add users to you cdrom drive ... maybe it helps
[06:46] <knight__> I need help with resolution
[06:46] <Blippe> you could run "sudo nautilus --no-desktop" in the windows you get when pressing alt-f2
[06:47] <jcapote> whats a good app to 100% my cpu
[06:47] <reflect> jcapote: www.distributed.net
[06:47] <kingspawn> Fawzib: nice
[06:47] <ompaul> jcapote, gcc and openoffice.org
[06:47] <epp> jcapote, i run amarok and it maxes out my cpu. im running a 433 mhz. ahah
[06:47] <reflect> jcapote: or seti at home
[06:47] <ic56> Fawzib: if you're developing for general consumption, you should also concern yourself with which is the most standard way and also which is the least CPU intensive way.
[06:48] <reflect> anyone knowledgable about amd64, ati and 3d? I get a black screen, searched around like crazy and found about 5 guys with the exact same problem as me..
[06:48] <ic56> pizzadude: dd doesn't care about the filename. It knows nothing of extensions or any other kind of automation.
[06:48] <Fawzib> kingspawn: oops its:  if ["`type -f <func>`" = "function" ] ; then whatever
[06:49] <aggarcia> hgsydye
[06:49] <ic56> pizzadude: Are any of the partitions you're copying primary partitions (/dev/hda1 through hda4)?
[06:50] <frank23> jcapote: a simple one      yes > /dev/null
[06:50] <kingspawn> Fawzib: hm, ic56 has a point. have you thought about having the script take a look at /etc/lsb-release?
[06:50] <kingspawn> Fawzib: not trying to be difficult, just thinking out loud, sort of
[06:51] <Fawzib> ic56: i'm starting a daemon I just want the messages to look well in ubuntu and work in debian, do you think CPU is an issue for only a startup message?
[06:51] <pppoe_dude> hi. are there any alternative linux-friendly ils directory servers other than ils.seconix.com
[06:52] <pppoe_dude> coz that one isn't working for me
[06:52] <ic56> Fawzib: CPU is always an issue.  Many little inefficiencies add up.
[06:52] <Hattori> keep getting this error
[06:52] <Hattori> installing jre
[06:52] <Hattori> http://pastebin.com/620302
[06:52] <pppoe_dude> "failed to bind to ils.seconix.com"
[06:52] <Hattori> what packages need i to install?
[06:52] <schmirgo> where for gods sake can i find the line where hald starts at boottime ? -.-
[06:52] <ompaul> Hattori, mixing rpm and debs is not the best of ideas
[06:52] <Healot> the latest kernel rocks... really saves power... my CPU on float up 1800MHz a few times in an hour :)
[06:53] <ompaul> Hattori, may I msg you?
[06:53] <pizzadude> ic56: so, if i say do dd if=/dev/sda1 of=/anotherdrive/sda1.img, it should create a exactly copy of the partition to that file, and vise/versa, but it not working from file to drive/partion. and i dont know how to check the contents of that file to make suere there is anything in there at all, other than the size of the file is consistant with the size of the partion reguardless of the amount of used space on that oarticular par
[06:53] <jcapote> i highly recomend everyone use the bubbling load monitor to monitor loads
[06:53] <jcapote> its so genius
[06:53] <Hattori> ompaul: ya
[06:53] <ic56> Fawzib: Ideally, seeing as this isn't an install script but a part of the installed package, you should have different copies of the script for each distro that needs different processing.  You could have a master copy from which you generate the variants with a preprocessor like cpp.
[06:54] <frank23> !tell Hattori about java
[06:55] <epp> anyone gotten limewire to morw with non sun java?
[06:55] <epp> anyone gotten limewire to work with non sun java?
[06:55] <Fawzib> ic56: ok, I'm not very good at this, is actually my first deb package, so I don't know much that's why I'm asking :)
[06:56] <ic56> pizzadude: dd copies blocks, sequentially, as many blocks as you tell it. When you tell it to copy a device, it starts reading at the beginning and keeps going till the device driver in the kernel returns and end-of-file to it.  The driver does this when you try to read past the end of the partition.  That's why the size of the output file is alw same.
[06:56] <schmirgo> epp, no, not lime wire... but azureus with an ibm-java-1.5
[06:56] <trappist> pizzadude: you should be able to mount the image file with -o loop
[06:57] <schmirgo> epp, it should work with non sun too...
[06:57] <epp> schmirgo, yeah i have IBM java, but limewire errors :(. But i guess ill get azureus.
[06:57] <ic56> Fawzib: asking is always a good idea.  There's always more to learn, no matter how experienced one is!
[06:57] <pizzadude> trappist! howdey!
[06:58] <void^> isn't ibm java still at 1.3.1 or so?
[06:58] <kingspawn> Fawzib: the key word in computer environments of any kind is "portability"
[06:58] <trappist> heya pizzadude
[06:58] <Healot> ibm java is 1.5 now
[06:58] <ic56> pizzadude: now, you say you copy it to x.img .  Presumably you subsequently copy it from there to the actual partition location?
[06:58] <epp> Healot, i have 1.5.
[06:58] <frank23> epp: limewire and azureus are not on the same network.
[06:58] <void^> ohh.. it seems i am in need of serious catching up
[06:59] <pizzadude> ic56: exactly
[06:59] <frank23> epp: instead of limewire, why not frostwire
[06:59] <schmirgo> but i have also experienced problems with eclipse sdk and ibmjava on ppc
[06:59] <frank23> !frpstwire
[06:59] <ubotu> frank23: What? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[06:59] <frank23> !frostwire
[06:59] <ic56> pizzadude: Why are you doing the copy in two steps instead of one?
[06:59] <epp> frank23, i know, azureus is on torrent and limewire is on gnutella
[06:59] <epp> frank23, is it in the repositorys?
[07:00] <sfar-ubu> wich is "the best" bittorrent client? i'd prefer some kind of gui ;)
[07:00] <pizzadude> because i want o copy to a cd and then be able to fix/clone the drive again later, like a backup
[07:00] <Healot> J2SE Mustang beta 2 is already out
[07:00] <frank23> epp: not sure. never used any of those, I use appolon for gnutella
[07:00] <Healot> sfar-ubu, gnome-bittorrent :)
[07:00] <ic56> pizzadude: here's the thing.  while filesystems are purely linear, partition headers aren't.  I wonder if that might be the problem.
[07:00] <epp> sfar-ubu, azareus is #1 for me. but you need java. so i use ktorrent for now.
[07:00] <Healot> the best/safest JDK to deploy is always Sun's
[07:01] <pizzadude> ic56: or for example right now i have the target drive installed in the computer but cannot copy the img file to it to make a backup cloned drive.
[07:01] <ompaul> Healot, the most non free java is suns
[07:01] <ompaul> :)
[07:01] <reflect> ompaul: if you're just going to use it, who cares?
[07:01] <Healot> yeah
[07:01] <sfar-ubu> epp, why dont you install java then?
[07:01] <h0nus> hello
[07:01] <h0nus> i'm back!
[07:01] <sfar-ubu> \o/
[07:01] <h0nus> lol
[07:02] <Healot>  I didn't say it's free(dom), but it is avail at no cost
[07:02] <epp> sfar-ubu, i did... im just to lazy to get it haha.
[07:02] <sfar-ubu> =D
[07:02] <epp> sfar-ubu, ktorrent is verynice.
[07:02] <h0nus> i need a quick favor: can someone tell me what the tar command is for unpacking a .deb package?
[07:02] <ompaul> costless software as I heard it referred to last week
[07:02] <pizzadude> ic56: well, i am not exactly sure what you mean, but, i can dd an active drive to an active drive just not from x.img to drive. so i am dumb(founded)
[07:02] <ic56> pizzadude: did you try fsck against the target?  Presumably there was no problem if mount succeeded, but it might reassure us that things are as we think they are.
[07:02] <knight__> hi
[07:03] <reflect> hm.. reading the irc-faq..  it says not to repeat questions..   well, how long is that valid? no one seems to be able to answer mine..
[07:03] <sfar-ubu> i have a pretty slow computer so ktorrent might be better then?
[07:03] <knight__> I am having problems with resolution my laptop is a averatec 1000
[07:03] <veldorzvizzerd> hey Healot, I managed to get ndisgtk running - and have the CD in which the driver for my wireless card is supposed to be, could you help me out with setting it up from here?
[07:03] <Healot> h0nus, dpkg --extract, this extracts but does not install
[07:03] <epp> h0nus, , "sudo dpkg -i "package name""
[07:03] <ic56> pizzadude: you didn't answer my earlier question: are teh partitions primary or secondary?
[07:03] <epp> h0nus, mine installed it.
[07:03] <h0nus> o
[07:03] <ompaul> reflect, I would say that 12/15 mins is not bad - you want people who might be not reading the screen to go again
[07:03] <h0nus> ok
[07:03] <ompaul> !enter
[07:03] <ubotu> Please don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It spams the channel and is annoying.
[07:03] <h0nus> thanks!
[07:04] <Healot> veldorzvizzerd, do you see any wifi interface on ndisgtk?
[07:04] <Healot> after installing the driver?
[07:04] <Blippe> !ubuntu.se
[07:04] <ubotu> Do they come in packets of five. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Blippe
[07:04] <reflect> ompaul: appreciated.
[07:04] <ompaul> !se
[07:04] <ubotu> Svensk Ubuntu- och Kubuntusupport hittar du pa #ubuntu.se resp. #kubuntu.se
[07:04] <veldorzvizzerd> I haven't installed the driver yet, just installed ndisgtk
[07:04] <Blippe> greek?
[07:04] <h0nus> kk
[07:04] <Healot> bleh
[07:04] <ompaul> gr
[07:04] <h0nus> got class will be back alter =)
[07:04] <daflat> hey all
[07:04] <epp> Healot, what is J2SE Mustang beta you speak of?
[07:04] <epp> !frostwirte
[07:04] <ubotu> What? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, epp
[07:04] <veldorzvizzerd> I got the cd with the driver in it but in the linux folder theres like, so many files on it, what should I look for?
[07:04] <pizzadude> ic56: no i didnt fsck: and the partitions are primary
[07:04] <epp> !frostwire
[07:04] <ic56> reflect: in this channel, I think repeats are ok -- but wait a while until new people join the channel.
[07:05] <daflat> am having major problems setting up Samba on my desktop pc
[07:05] <sfar-ubu> epp: will ktorrent work flawlessly under gnome?
[07:05] <Healot> J2SE 1.6, the next release of JDK/JRE
[07:05] <epp> sfar-ubu, it should....
[07:05] <daflat> am writing this on dapper in VMware
[07:05] <epp> Healot, is there a PPC install?
[07:05] <reflect> ic56: oh, you mean every 15 seconds then? I mean, when aren't there new users joining? hehehe ;)  j/k, I'll wait 15-30 minutes and hope for the best..
[07:05] <Healot> sure...
[07:06] <kingspawn> i have turned off joins and quits in my client, they are just wild
[07:06] <Healot> mac? nay...
[07:06] <ompaul> reflect, the logic is this, not only that there are new people, but if someone is not looking then 12/15 mins kinda allows the readers change
[07:06] <daflat> well I set-up samba is was working fine....I could stream video from my windows laptop
[07:06] <Healot> "ppc" isn't in my dictionary :)
[07:06] <epp> Healot, hmmm.
[07:06] <daflat> and then it stopped working, and I can't see any of the other pc's on the network
[07:06] <daflat> or any of the share
[07:06] <daflat> s
[07:06] <daflat> am stumped
[07:06] <ic56> pizzadude: Are you sure the problem only occurs when you do it in 2 copies as opposed to 1?  There must be other factors.
[07:07] <Healot> mac users are doomed to 1.4.2 :)
[07:07] <reflect> ompaul: yeah, I'm sticking with your advice there.. this channel is too big to know who's new and who isn't (seeing as I'm new here)
[07:07] <pizzadude> ic56: yep, only when i do 2 copies and not 1.
[07:07] <ompaul> reflect, did you ask a question?
[07:07] <veldorzvizzerd> Healot, in the driver disk theres a file called ifcfg-ra0 - would that be the one to install or?
[07:07] <jcapote> anyone know a good wallpaper source?
[07:08] <nub3> Hi
[07:08] <Healot> veldorzvizzerd, read the CD content first :)
[07:08] <axnotizes> this is kind of off topic, but does anyone know the IRC command to list all the channel you have joined?
[07:08] <ic56> pizzadude: are you copying to the same target partit in both cases?
[07:09] <veldorzvizzerd> how, like - via the terminal or just look in the readme files in there?
[07:09] <veldorzvizzerd> or do I have to run ndisgtk after installing it?
[07:09] <ompaul> reflect, did you actually look at the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI ?
[07:09] <reflect> yes..  I have a problem with a pure 64bit amd installation and ATI gfx..  3d/dri simply will not work, despite having followed the guides to the letter (I think)..  after searching, I've found a number of people experiencing the exact same problem, blank screen, nothing useful in the logs..  described here http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33846081
[07:09] <pizzadude> ic56: yep
[07:09] <pizzadude> ic56: but, trappist may have pointed out a workaround for now. if i mount the file -o loop /someplace then dd will allow me to copy that back to a partition.. i will check it out.
[07:09] <_jason> axnotizes: might depend on your client
[07:09] <nub3> When i type apt-get install xyz i get the error E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 Permission denied
[07:09] <Healot> it's your CD... don;t tell me i know exactly the content of your CD? are you kidding me, veldorzvizzerd ?
[07:09] <nub3> what doen it mean
[07:09] <nub3> ?
[07:09] <kingspawn> nub3: got synaptic open?
[07:10] <axnotizes> _jason: i am using ircii.
[07:10] <Healot> figure that out on your own, veldorzvizzerd... :)
[07:10] <veldorzvizzerd> lol, sorry healot, I kinda meant coz like, earlier you said to run ndisgtk after I installed ndisgtk, what command do I use to do so?
[07:10] <nub3> kingspawn:yes that too give me the same error
[07:10] <_jason> axnotizes: /window list, works in irsii.  Don't know about ircii
[07:10] <Healot> veldorzvizzerd, do you know where the XP driver sits?
[07:10] <nub3> err not same
[07:10] <veldorzvizzerd> yep
[07:11] <reflect> ompaul: yes, I did look there, I've been following it for 3 revisions of the the ATI driver release now
[07:11] <Healot> run "ndisgtk" then
[07:11] <axnotizes> _jason: it works. thanks.
[07:11] <nub3> Synaptic says E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[07:11] <kaynos> Hello all.  anyone experts on finding libncurses5-dev package?  I can't seem to get it installed or updated.. Trying to compile asterisk..
[07:11] <veldorzvizzerd> what command do I use to run ndisgtk?
[07:11] <pizzadude> ic56: VIAGRA!  trappist's way works.  workaround but it works all the same to me
[07:11] <ic56> pizzadude: could you paste the 2 command lines you used for the problem case?  Perhaps if I see it, I'll notice something about which I didn't think to ask.
[07:11] <Healot> "ndisgtk" the name tells all
[07:11] <veldorzvizzerd> heh, cheers
[07:12] <ompaul> reflect, okay so I have this idea that you need to run the graphics with 32bit because of a lack of drivers that work at 64 but I could be wrong so you might want to look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot don't  know if it can be done some other way - is there a 64bit graphics driver?
[07:12] <veldorzvizzerd> thanx Healot :)
[07:12] <pizzadude> ic56: i will past to you in PM
[07:12] <Healot> it is System->Administration->Wireless Network Drivers
[07:12] <reflect> ompaul: I followed this guide http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=423589 that also has instructions for AMD64
[07:12] <nub3> and when i run dpkg --configure -a i get the error dpkg: ../../src/packages.c:191: process_queue: Assertion `dependtry <= 4' failed.
[07:12] <nub3> Aborted
[07:12] <veldorzvizzerd> thanks, found it ^^
[07:12] <nub3> One error after another :(
[07:13] <ic56> pizzadude: spell out the 2nd one please.
[07:13] <reflect> ompaul: yeah, they distribute pure 64bit drivers.. and many reports that it works fine, I'd love to find one and compare my settings with theirs.
[07:13] <kaynos> how do I find or install a package that is listed as non-available?
[07:13] <nub3> Anyone knows how to get around this error
[07:13] <nub3> ?
[07:13] <Pupeno> where do I get decss for ubuntu ?
[07:13] <ompaul> reflect, so request on the mailing list or forums
[07:13] <_jason> !dvd
[07:13] <ubotu> DVD playing is possible in ubuntu. You may need libdvdcss2, which is available via http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages (section extras)
[07:13] <kaynos> trying to install libncurses5-dev
[07:13] <deizi> humm almost working perfectly ubuntu + kde... just need Azureus to work, and some plugins...
[07:14] <ompaul> reflect, https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
[07:14] <_jason> !info libncurses5-dev
[07:14] <ubotu> libncurses5-dev: (Developer's libraries and docs for ncurses), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 5.4-9ubuntu4 (breezy), Packaged size: 1218 kB, Installed size: 5656 kB
[07:14] <_jason> kaynos: it's in breezy's main repository
[07:15] <nub3> Ohh ok apt-get is with sudo apt-get
[07:15] <epp> how do i decompress a tar?
[07:15] <epp> and a gzip
[07:15] <_jason> epp: together or seperately?
[07:15] <kaynos> _jason:  I get a package not available when :  sudo apt-get install libncurses5-dev
[07:15] <kaynos> Reading package lists... Done
[07:15] <kaynos> Building dependency tree... Done
[07:15] <kaynos> Package libncurses5-dev is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[07:15] <kaynos> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[07:15] <kaynos> is only available from another source
[07:15] <ardchoille> epp: what's the filename end in?
[07:15] <epp> _jason seperately
[07:15] <kaynos> E: Package libncurses5-dev has no installation candidate
[07:15] <Healot> "man tar" is a good start
[07:15] <ic56> pizzadude: and dd doesn't report any errors in the problem case and the number blocks copied is same in both invocations for the failing case and in the succeeding case?
[07:15] <_jason> kaynos: did you enable the main repository?
[07:15] <epp> tar, i already decomressed it from gzip
[07:15] <nub3> epp:tar -zxvf xyz.tar
[07:16] <_jason> epp: gunzip file.gzip and tar xf file.tar
[07:16] <Blippe> !gr
[07:16] <ubotu> Elate sto #ubuntu-gr gia Elliniki sizitisi
[07:16] <pizzadude> ic56: no errors, blocks copied are same both ways
[07:16] <purplefeltangel> where do i find my home folder from root?
[07:16] <_jason> purplefeltangel: by ``my'' you mean your normal user?
[07:16] <purplefeltangel> _jason: i guess
[07:16] <ardchoille> purplefeltangel: /home/<your-username>
[07:17] <kaynos> _jason:  /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[07:17] <kaynos> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-updates main restricted
[07:17] <nub3> How do i mount my extended partitions in ubuntu?
[07:17] <purplefeltangel> ahhh thank you
[07:17] <purplefeltangel> sorry i am such a n00b
[07:17] <_jason> kaynos: those are breezy updates
[07:17] <_jason> ubotu: tell kaynos about easysource
[07:18] <iGotNoTime> how do I get Gdesklets to start on boot autmatically?
[07:18] <alekz> hi, i have a problem, my cups is not working well, i go to "system > administration > Printing" and it says that can not conect to cups server, but i look into /etc/init.d/cupsys and server is running, can some one help me ?? i just cant print
[07:18] <_jason> iGotNoTime: system > prefernces > sessions > startup
[07:18] <iGotNoTime> thank you jason_  :)
[07:18] <kaynos> thx _Jason..
[07:19] <Hoxzer> guys guys oh yeah, guys
[07:19] <Hoxzer> GDesklet
[07:19] <Hoxzer> lmsersors wont work in gdesklet
[07:19] <iGotNoTime> hello highvoltage  :)
[07:19] <c0rrupt`> What is the key combination to exit from a screen session without closing it
[07:20] <_jason> c0rrupt`: ctrl-a d, if you do ctrl-a ?, you will get a list
[07:20] <knight__> I am having problems with resolution
[07:20] <c0rrupt`> thanks jason
[07:20] <_jason> knight__: what problems?
[07:20] <knight__> I have a averatec 1000 laptop
[07:20] <knight__> and the display sucks
[07:20] <_jason> !enter
[07:21] <ubotu> Please don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It spams the channel and is annoying.
[07:21] <Juleps79> Hola!
[07:21] <reflect> ompaul: thank you, mail sent.
[07:21] <Juleps79> Ayuda en Espaol????
[07:21] <ompaul> !es
[07:21] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[07:21] <Juleps79> gracias!
[07:21] <festepa> hola a todos
[07:21] <knight__> hola
[07:21] <knight__> lol
[07:21] <cA1mAn> i have to hds (40 and 120 GB), both ntfs, and want to install ubuntu on the 120GB one. Is it possible to resize it and to make 20 GB ext3 without problems?
[07:21] <kingspawn> cA1mAn: yessir
[07:21] <festepa> es la primera vez que entro
[07:21] <_jason> !es
[07:21] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[07:22] <festepa> hay conectado alguien de casariche
[07:22] <ompaul> knight__, you have been asked not to use the enter key as punctuation, please don't it spams the channel, get your full idea out on one line thanks
[07:22] <festepa> o de algn pueblo de Sevilla
[07:22] <kingspawn> !es
[07:22] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[07:22] <cA1mAn> festeba: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[07:22] <kingspawn> once again.
[07:22] <jcapote> how can i change my font colors in gnome
[07:22] <_jason> festepa: /join #ubuntu-es
[07:22] <cA1mAn> hehe
[07:22] <ic56> pizzadude: well, I'm stumped. the only thing I can think of is that the partition info itself really shouldn't be copied and doing so could cause trouble.  The actual filesystem begins a few blocks into the partition and one should skip the initial blocks both in the source and target.  The fact that it works in the direct copy case is really confusing.  I wonder if Linux dd may have special code to "do the right thing" wh
[07:23] <hcatlin> So, I have an ubuntu server (no video card) and I want to be able to run applications remotely, but I don't want gnome and all of the trapping. Just GTK and Xwindows. Is that possible?
[07:23] <ic56> pizzadude: that would make sense, given that there are no devices for the filesystems proper in Linux -- there are in other unix flavours.
[07:23] <nub3> I can mount my ntfs drive but not access it
[07:23] <nub3> :(
[07:23] <_jason> nub3: permission problems?
[07:23] <kingspawn> nub3: mount it with umask=0222
[07:23] <hcatlin> So, how can I get xwindow forwarding working without installing the whole desktop shebang?
[07:24] <nub3> yup
[07:24] <nub3> tried sudo too
[07:24] <IcemanV9> knight__: you have asked about display resolution last night. did you try to play with a few options such as vertrefresh?
[07:24] <anstei> hcatlin, i don't know whether 5.10 does support that already, but dapper definitely has a server install without desktop managers
[07:24] <nub3> ohh ok
[07:25] <hcatlin> anstei: Breezy does. But, I am running dapper, and it is already the "server install"
[07:25] <nub3> unmount is not a command ?
[07:25] <nub3> oOOoo
[07:25] <wawa_> umount
[07:25] <hcatlin> anstei: I have it installed with no desktop stuff, but I want to just add what I need for xwindow forewarding.
[07:25] <xinfinityx> heya, does anyone know anything about xsane?
[07:25] <ompaul> hcatlin, you need to run X ain't done it on xorg have done it on xfree (and it was a couple of years ago)
[07:25] <xinfinityx> I'm having a bit of a problem
[07:26] <pizzadude> ic56: well, i am glad that i am not the only one left scratching his head :)  i mounted the x.img file and dd'd the contents of the mount to the partion and it matches partition to partition. i will check it in a while to make sure it boots proper, if it does, mission acomoplished good enough for me :0
[07:26] <knight__> no
[07:26] <kingspawn> hcatlin: if its a server, why do you want x?
[07:27] <hcatlin> kingspawn: so I can run administrative applications x-window forwarded over SSH.
[07:27] <pizzadude> ic56:  i will let you know how it goes when i find out.
[07:27] <Healot> xinfinityx, state your scanner model.... http://www.sane-project.org/ -- check whether your scanner compatible with sane
[07:27] <knight__> how do I use vetre fresh
[07:27] <ic56> pizzadude: I'm doing some doc searching to see if I can confirm my theory.  I'll /msg you.
[07:27] <reflect> kingspawn: so that users may login, set the DISPLAY and run software
[07:27] <xinfinityx> it's perfectly compatible, it's the frontend I'm having problems with
[07:27] <kingspawn> hm, i see.
[07:27] <pizzadude> ic56: 10-4
[07:27] <Healot> really
[07:28] <IcemanV9> knight__: please check out @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[07:28] <Healot> run "sane-find-scanner" will you, xinfinityx ?
[07:28] <knight__> IcemanV9  how do i use vertrefresh
[07:28] <xinfinityx> I just need to know how to resize the scanning area, because at the moment, it's stuck at 9.98cm x 14.70cm
[07:28] <knight__> thanks
[07:29] <nub3> kingspawn:How do i use umask=0222 ?
[07:29] <IcemanV9> knight__: more info @ "man xorg.conf" as well
[07:30] <kingspawn> nub3: are you mounting "by hand" or via fstab?
[07:30] <nub3> kingspawn:fstab
[07:30] <knight__> thanks
[07:31] <kingspawn> nub then you just add umask=0222 to the options part of your mount-line
[07:32] <Healot> xinfinityx, mmmkay... what's you scanner then?
[07:32] <nestorm> hi every one
[07:32] <scotth> anyone in here familiar with alsa and getting its software mixer to work?
[07:32] <xinfinityx> Healot: HP PSC 1205
[07:33] <nestorm> scotth: it depends, what's up to your soundcard?
[07:33] <scotth> nestorm, whats up to my soundcard?
[07:33] <racoon> hi there guys
[07:33] <scotth> are you asking what my soundcard is? or something else?
[07:33] <Healot> xinfinityx, try to edit "/etc/sane.d/hp.conf"
[07:34] <nestorm> mmm, sorry scotth
[07:34] <nestorm> I mean, you have a problem with your soundcard, do you?
[07:35] <racoon> question ;)  : I try to install my logitech quickcam messenger 046d:08f6 , appearantly I made it to compile quickcam and load it, syslog also tells me it's detecting the cam when replugging and tells it has already loaded the needed modules, but I do not get any image from my cam
[07:35] <scotth> its cool
[07:35] <phpq> javascript:alert(/^((ht|f)tp:\/\/)?(www.)?(.+)$/.test('g')); is true, why?
[07:35] <scotth> Im trying to be able to play music while using team speak... my music is playing through esd and I understand that alsa supports dmix, but I can't get it to use it and provide multiple output
[07:35] <phpq> ignore that :)
[07:36] <nub3> kingspaw:Now do i auto mount the drives at startup?
[07:36] <nub3> How*
[07:36] <nub3> srry
[07:36] <xinfinityx> Healot: ok, got that up
[07:36] <kenas> hi
[07:36] <kenas> i got wine working out fine..
[07:36] <nestorm> esd is quite outdated, isn't it?
[07:36] <nestorm> you better use gstreamer
[07:36] <kenas> but i need to add some libraries for certain programs..
[07:36] <kenas> how can add them up ?
[07:36] <kenas> can i just copy and paste those dll
[07:36] <Healot> xinfinityx, btw, open up xsane preference/// see if there any image size setting there...
[07:37] <scotth> if I use gstreamer then I only get one output to the sound card
[07:37] <kenas> or i need to register them as well ?
[07:37] <nestorm> scotth: how comes?
[07:37] <scotth> plus my prefered music player is muine and it only uses 0.8.0
[07:37] <xinfinityx> Healot: I've had a poke around in there and couldn't find anything, I'll have another look though
[07:37] <Me> Hi
[07:37] <Me> Can u tell me when come the next relase of ubuntu please ?
[07:37] <nestorm> wich model is your soundcard?
[07:38] <tonyyarusso> ubotu: tell Me about dapper
[07:38] <scotth> cause muine goes through gstreamer 0.8 and then I have gstreamer to use esd... when I set it to alsa I can only play one stream at a time
[07:38] <holycow> guys, i'm staying at a hotel where the network connection requires that i switch the network card to 10 half duplex
[07:38] <holycow> i've never heard of this before, usually switches handle that automatically
[07:38] <holycow> can this be done manually on linux?
[07:38] <jaek> does the ubuntu kernel have the ext2online patch?
[07:38] <scotth> nestorm, Ensoniq 5880 AudioPCI
[07:38] <tonyyarusso> Me: June 1.
[07:38] <reflect> holycow: ethtool can do this for you
[07:38] <holycow> reflect: thanks bro!
[07:38] <Me> Thx tonyyarusso :)
[07:38] <nestorm> scotth: and which kernel module is loaded?
[07:39] <dra> !
[07:39] <ubotu> dra: Bugger all, I dunno. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[07:39] <Me> It's so long i'm waiting waiting .... :p
[07:39] <dra> eh damn x-chat, sorry about that ^^
[07:39] <scotth> snd_ens1371
[07:39] <reflect> holycow: no problem..  just know that you need to set 1) speed 2) duplex often at the same time
[07:39] <dra> it finished connecting to freenode and changed to that tab while I was typing that "!" ;)
[07:39] <xinfinityx> Healot: hey, nvm, I got it... It was in the advanced setting dialog
[07:39] <ic56> pizzadude: did you, in both cases, have both filesystems mounted?  I ask because that would mean that you had two filesystems with the same unique FS id simultaneously mounted.  That shouldn't work...
[07:40] <xinfinityx> Healot: thanks anyway ;)
[07:40] <shutdown> Hello everybody!! Hello _Jason !!!!
[07:40] <Healot> duh~
[07:40] <axnotizes> hello?
[07:40] <nub3> Grrr Linux does not play mp3
[07:40] <alp_> what was the url for autoconfig of my sources.list?
[07:40] <nub3> ?
[07:40] <shutdown> What's the off topic channel?
[07:40] <_jason> !mp3
[07:40] <ubotu> hmm... mp3 is a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:40] <ic56> pizzadude: also: it should go without asking but... the filesystem being copied was either not mounted or mounted read-only, right?
[07:40] <_jason> !offtopic
[07:40] <ubotu> Non Ubuntu support related discussions may be carried out in the channel #ubuntu-offtopic. Editor/Language wars are welcome there!
[07:40] <nestorm> scotth: did you configure that or did ubuntu do it?
[07:40] <pizzadude> ic56: no the target was not mounted
[07:40] <shutdown> #ubuntu-offtopic ?
[07:40] <shutdown> ok
[07:40] <shutdown> thnx
[07:41] <scotth> configure what? the driver? naw its a stock dapper install... very little tweaking with the hardware(which makes me very happy)
[07:41] <nub3> heh what player do i get which will play mp3?
[07:41] <alp_> what was the url for autoconfig of my sources.list?
[07:41] <_jason> ubotu: tell nub3 about mp3
[07:41] <jaek> can i extend my root lvm partition and just run ext2extend? or does the kernel have it already? or... do i need to reboot with the CD in rescue mode to do it?
[07:41] <Blippe> !mp3
[07:41] <ubotu> mp3 is, like, a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:41] <Blippe> !source-o-matic
[07:41] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[07:41] <nestorm> scotth: that's great, but anyway, I don't know what could happen to your sound
[07:41] <pizzadude> ic56: no the source drive was mounted and is (rw)
[07:41] <ic56> pizzadude: for the first question, I don't mean during but after the copy.  Surely you mounted the target -- how else would you know there was a problem?
[07:41] <nestorm> scotth: are you runnig gnome or kde?
[07:42] <scotth> gnome
[07:42] <pizzadude> ic56: yes i mounted after the copt to check it out
[07:43] <Healot> why people don't checkout the most popular audio/mp3 player in the Unix world? hello "xmms"!
[07:43] <Hexidigital> !xmms
[07:43] <ubotu> I heard xmms is to get xmms to work in Ubuntu Hoary and Breezy, set the output plugin to eSound (right-click on the XMMS window, then choose Options -> Preferences)
[07:43] <scotth> I tried asking in #alsa, but it seems dead
[07:43] <Healot> salsa tastes good though
[07:43] <scotth> but I found somewhere that dmix should be enabled by default after 1.0.9 and I have 1.0.10 so I'm not entirely sure whats happening
[07:43] <ic56> pizzadude: if the source drive was mounted rw, then there could have been activity on it.  This means it could become inconsistent durint the copy (in fact, I would be surprised if there *weren't* problems).  In your case, you might have gotten luck with the copy once -- the time you did it in one command.
[07:44] <racoon> solved the problem myself, thanks anyways guys ;D
[07:44] <pizzadude> ic56: i see
[07:45] <macdonsp> Hello, are there any Ubuntu livecds for PowerPC that have usable compilers on the disk?
[07:45] <nub3> I was trying to install wine and got  dpkg: ../../src/packages.c:191: process_queue: Assertion `dependtry <= 4' failed.
[07:45] <nub3> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg exited unexpectedly
[07:45] <nub3> :(
[07:45] <Healot> macdonsp, nay... try knoppix, macdonsp :)
[07:45] <pizzadude> ic56: i will shut 'er down to see if i was successfull. will let you know shortly
[07:45] <ic56> pizzadude: there were no errors during the mount?
[07:45] <pizzadude> none
[07:45] <macdonsp> Healot: the ppc of knoppix is really old
[07:45] <Healot> yeah
[07:46] <Healot> unfortunately, ubuntu's live CD doesn't have compiler tools
[07:46] <macdonsp> Healot: Is it possible to remaster a livecd without a ubuntu system
[07:46] <macdonsp> Healot: on os x
[07:46] <Healot> yes... if you know how?
[07:46] <ic56> pizzadude: and, in both cases, after the copy, you finished by mounting the target, so that both source and target were simultaneously mounted?
[07:46] <mzv> hello
[07:46] <nub3> what is dpkg why does it create and error always
[07:46] <nub3> ?
[07:46] <macdonsp> Healot: I haven't done it before but I can probably figure it out if there is info somewhere
[07:47] <macdonsp> Any suggestions?
[07:47] <Healot> you can copy the image... change the tree a bit there and here... and remaster it
[07:47] <Healot> knoppix's site a good start
[07:47] <MrRio> nub3, dpkg installs software, you must run it as root, sudo dpkg -i <package_to_install>
[07:47] <keita> salut
[07:47] <macdonsp> Healot: Okay, I will check it out. Thanks
[07:47] <pizzadude> ic56: ummm yeah.. i now see how that could be a problem
[07:47] <Healot> salut keita, parlez francais?
[07:48] <t35t0r> how do i flush the queue in cups?
[07:48] <nub3> MrRio:Then what is apt-get ?
[07:48] <keita> wi et toi healot
[07:48] <Healot> je ne parle pas francais :)
[07:48] <jaek> so...... anyone know if the 2.6.12-10-386 kernel has online ext2 resizing support?
[07:49] <keita> you speak english
[07:49] <Healot> sure
[07:49] <K-Zodron> Hello, I have 2 hdd's installed on my computer, where can I see if Ubuntu detects the slave one?
[07:49] <keita> do you use ubuntu*
[07:49] <kingspawn> nub3: in short: apt-get downloads packages and installs them automatically, also downloading all the stuff they need to work. dpkg can install a package if you have downloaded it yourself, but wont download all the other stuff it needs automatically
[07:50] <macdonsp> Healot: Is it possible to install programs after booting into the LiveCD environment?
[07:50] <macdonsp> Healot: Not to the hard drive, but the ramdisk
[07:50] <_jason> macdonsp: yes
[07:50] <nub3> ohh ok i thought apt-get downloads and aptitude installs
[07:50] <Healot> yeah... if you can do some scripting... oh to isntalll huge files... i think that pretty possible, if you have disk access/huge RAM
[07:51] <pizzadude> ic56:  nogo.. :( i do see your poing about both drives being mounted at same time.. i will have to try to duplicate the drive using rescue cd or something else.
[07:51] <macdonsp> _jason: how do i do that. i downloaded the livedvd so i have a ton of packages available
[07:51] <_jason> ubotu: tell macdonsp about synaptic
[07:51] <pizzadude> ic56: however, i would say that progress was made here today :)
[07:51] <ic56> pizzadude: an alternative that would avoid the simultanous mount problem is to use dump/restore.
[07:52] <macdonsp> jason_: thanks i will check out synaptic. i googled it and found the info
[07:53] <Healot> the live DVD, huh
[07:53] <sohmestra> I added a module to /etc/modules, but it doesnt seem to be honored at boot time
[07:53] <sohmestra> i can manually load the module
[07:54] <ic56> pizzadude: they'll be a little slower, since dump effectively acts as a defragmentor in this type of setup -- it reads blocks in the logical order rather than the physical order.  Also, you'd have to mkfs at the target end before using restore -- still more work.  On the pro-side, the dumps would be a lot smaller -- unused disk blocks wouldn't get copied.
[07:54] <sohmestra> Any reason why that would be?
[07:54] <Healot> the modules doesn't exists, corrupted, unloadable? sohmestra
[07:55] <Healot> check it out with "dmesg"
[07:55] <ic56> pizzadude: the other advantage of a dump file over a dd image, of course, is that you can (a) extract individual files from it and (b) restore into a different size partition -- ie a smaller filesystem, if necessary.
[07:55] <reflect> or by hand first with 'modprobe module-name' and then check dmesg
[07:55] <sohmestra> Healot: I can load the module manually, and the hardware then works. It just doesnt seem to be loaded at boot time
[07:56] <ic56> pizzadude: or take advantage of a bigger filesystem which, again, dd won't let you do -- you can dump into a bigger partition but the FS would still think it's in a small one.
[07:56] <Healot> sohmestra, what module would that be, a userspace, or kernel space?
[07:56] <sohmestra> it's not tied to a particular kernel either. I've got 3 different kernels, and regardless of which one I boot, I see this behavior
[07:57] <sohmestra> Healot: its a network card driver: bnx2
[07:57] <Healot> did you boot different kernels?
[07:57] <Healot> which kernel did you compile it against?
[07:58] <fl0ydz_> highvoltage, can anyone help me?
[07:58] <fl0ydz_> ops
[07:58] <sohmestra> Healot: I didnt compile it. Its provided as part of the ubuntu kernel packges
[07:58] <fl0ydz_> i mena hi
[07:58] <Healot> what package the modules is installed from?
[07:59] <graveson> how do you manage raid devices and disks with ubuntu
[07:59] <Healot> what's the line did you add anyways?
[07:59] <Stork> how do i set an environmental variable? like, a permentant version of 'export'
[07:59] <sohmestra> Healot: but i've seen the same behavior with the following kernels: vmlinuz-2.6.12-10-686-smp, vmlinuz-2.6.12-10-386, vmlinuz-2.6.10-5-386
[08:00] <pizzadude> ic56: cool thats definitly something i will try out
[08:00] <fl0ydz_> how can i kill the x11 server to install the nividia diplasy package?
[08:00] <s|k> what's a good javascript IDE in linux?
[08:00] <Healot> what's the line did you add anyways? sohmestra
[08:01] <pizzadude> ic56: i am relatively new to linux, i knew that dd was an option but didnt know that there was another option available.  i will for sure try this out
[08:01] <sohmestra> Healot: my /etc/modules:   http://pastebin.com/620423
[08:01] <sohmestra> Healot: the line i added was: bnx2
[08:01] <reflect> (you know you can actually highlight lines with pastebin, right?)
[08:02] <holycow> *hmmm*
[08:02] <Healot> it's a network card right? wireless/wired ethernet?
[08:02] <holycow> how do you guys encrypt data on usb memory sticks?  is there a transparent way to do it?
[08:02] <sohmestra> Healot: wired.
[08:02] <sohmestra> david@gorilla:~$ find /lib/modules -iname bnx2.ko
[08:02] <sohmestra>  /lib/modules/2.6.12-10-386/kernel/drivers/net/bnx2.ko
[08:02] <sohmestra> err..whoops
[08:03] <sohmestra>  /lib/modules/2.6.12-10-686-smp/kernel/drivers/net/bnx2.ko
[08:03] <sohmestra> anyway, i meant to show that the modules exist
[08:03] <ic56> pizzadude: the other advantage with dump is that it is less susceptible to corruption when being run against a live (mounted rw) filesystem.
[08:03] <reflect> another way of doing that, would be 'locate bnx2.ko'
[08:03] <Stork> how do i set an environmental variable? like, a permentant version of 'export'
[08:03] <reflect> faster, I'm sure
[08:03] <pizzadude> ic56: awsome just installed dump, checking it out now
[08:04] <polpak> Stork, add it to your .bashrc or .bash_profile
[08:04] <sohmestra> reflect: yeah, I happened to forget the highlighting thing though
[08:05] <Healot> you need alias in /etc/modules, like this "alias eth0 bnx2"
[08:06] <sohmestra> Healot: if so, that's new, and the existing entries shouldn't be working either.
[08:07] <sohmestra> Healot: I think you may be thinking of /etc/modprobe.d/aliases or something
[08:08] <sohmestra> I'm using breezy, which was upgraded from hoary
[08:08] <sohmestra> is the use of /etc/modules deprecated, or obsolete?
[08:09] <AndyA> hi people! I've just installed ubuntu and I have a problem: it booted once, but when I restarted (on it's request) it fails to start greeting screen. Can anyone point me to a help recourse?
[08:10] <Healot> try adding "alias eth0 bnx2" to /etc/modprobe.d/aliases
[08:11] <sohmestra> Healot: I'll give that a whirl, thanks
[08:11] <bertos> hello
[08:12] <ron_> hello bertos
[08:12] <bertos> anybody ever tried to make "ubuntu" from "debian testin" through changes in sources.list??
[08:12] <Healot> sohmestra, btw "ifconfig -a"
[08:13] <Healot> check if eth0 exists or not
[08:13] <bertos> is this possible?
[08:13] <na7e> nein!
[08:13] <na7e> nein!
[08:13] <na7e> erg, what?
[08:14] <Healot> possible but  it'll break your ubuntu's installation
[08:14] <AndyA> it reported failure in name resolution (but somehow I don't think that's the problem)
[08:14] <na7e> i'm hearing problems people, lemme hear em!
[08:14] <na7e> i can help :)
[08:14] <Healot> sohmestra, load the module manually first, next "ifconfig -a"/"dmesg" to figure out what does it changes...
[08:15] <bertos> na7e, that 'nein!' was to my question?
[08:16] <sohmestra> Healot: it doesnt exist until i load the module
[08:16] <sohmestra> Healot: and configure the interface
[08:16] <sohmestra> rebooting...seeya on the flip side.
[08:17] <Healot> ok, what interface exists after you loaded the module?
[08:18] <graveson> anyone know how i can manager a raid0 maxtor drive
[08:19] <linuxboyfriend> hi all
[08:19] <linuxboyfriend> how to change splash screens?
[08:21] <deizi> anyone usin xmms-last.fm plugin here?
[08:22] <sohmestra> Healot: I am such a fool.
[08:22] <polpak> !tell linuxboyfriend about usplash
[08:22] <Healot> eh?
[08:23] <sohmestra> Healot: the module _was_ getting loaded at boot time
[08:23] <sohmestra> Healot: ifconfig -a made it obvious that I just had failed to add an 'auto eth0' to /etc/network/interfaces
[08:23] <Healot> any success then?
[08:23] <sohmestra> Healot: thanks, muchly
[08:24] <Healot> oh... miss the interfaces config huh
[08:24] <Healot> does the module loaded at boot time?
[08:24] <sohmestra> Healot: yeah, once I added it to /etc/modules it did.
[08:24] <Healot> did you you add the alias?
[08:24] <jade> !seen bob2
[08:24] <ubotu> i haven't seen 'bob2', jade
[08:25] <sohmestra> Healot: I was assuming that it hadn't because my interface was still not working
[08:25] <dwhsix> hiya - what's a good tool (or way) to synch an ftp site and local directory?
[08:25] <sohmestra> Healot: thanks for your patience with a fool like myself ;o)
[08:26] <Healot> I am learning too at the same time you figure out your problem
[08:26] <linuxboyfriend> polpak, thanks a lot
[08:26] <LoPMX>  does anyone know how can i burn a bootable Cd onto a dvd? in other words how can i extract the bootloader from a cd and burn onto a dvd?
[08:26] <peratu> Hi.
[08:26] <LoPMX> i would like to test dapper dc
[08:26] <LoPMX> cd
[08:26] <LoPMX> live
[08:26] <Healot> you want the boot image, LoPMX ?
[08:27] <LoPMX> Healot, i downloaded dapper live cd, and currently i only have a dvd-r,
[08:27] <Healot> you can use "dd" to extract the boot sector of that CD...
[08:27] <LoPMX> but in windows?
[08:27] <Healot> consult "man dd"
[08:27] <Healot> in Windows? try to use Nero :)
[08:27] <LoPMX> damn, gotta download it then
[08:28] <IcemanV9> LoPMX: there is DVD iso available
[08:28] <LoPMX> of dapper?
[08:28] <LoPMX> flight5?
[08:28] <IcemanV9> yes
[08:28] <IcemanV9> current
[08:28] <Healot> hey btw... you can burn the CD image onto a DVD right, LoPMX ?
[08:28] <neodreams> !seen neodreams
[08:28] <ubotu> neodreams is currently on #ubuntu (17m 43s)
[08:28] <LoPMX> Healot, yeah, but it's not booting
[08:29] <patrick52222> hello how can imount my nfts partitions
[08:29] <LoPMX> hm, btw. first, could u tell me if xgl is on flight5?
[08:29] <Healot> LoPMX, on windows you can use "isobuster" or "ultraiso"
[08:29] <phil_> hi
[08:30] <Healot> no, haven't dl that f5 yet
[08:30] <patrick52222> hello how can imount my nfts partitions
[08:30] <LoPMX> er, so there is no xgl support on this live cd?
[08:30] <LoPMX> patrick52222, mount -tntfs
[08:31] <Healot> i am not sure...
[08:31] <LoPMX> damn
[08:31] <LoPMX> that's why i downoaded it
[08:31] <LoPMX> just to try xgl
[08:31] <patrick52222> is that it
[08:31] <LoPMX> no of course not
[08:31] <Hexidigital> ubotu !explode
[08:31] <ubotu> What? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Hexidigital
[08:31] <na7e> !chuck
[08:31] <ubotu> Huh? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, na7e
[08:32] <LoPMX> patrick52222,  http://ubuntuguide.org/
[08:32] <na7e> !chucknorris
[08:32] <ubotu> Did you get hit by a windmill? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, na7e
[08:32] <Hexidigital> chuck norris?
[08:32] <Hexidigital> :)
[08:32] <LoPMX> does anyone here use xgl?
[08:32] <Chousuke> na7e: there's ubugtu on #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:32] <Healot> wtf, I;ve seen "chuck norris" all over the net...
[08:32] <sfar-ubu> he rocks
[08:32] <sfar-ubu> chuck norris never sleep.. he waits