[00:31] <rick_h> lol of the evening...https://www.citusdata.com/ and search for "no lock"
[00:43] <cmaloney> ummm
[12:38] <cmaloney> morning
[12:43] <jrwren> rick_h: the octocat for no lock?
[12:45] <rick_h> jrwren: yea, seems odd representation there
[12:49] <jrwren> they had to pic an icon from the icon set. it was the first one that wasn't already used. :)
[12:51] <jrwren> what is the m-word alluded to here? https://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2017/09/20/Tech-is-Evil
[12:52] <jrwren> oh, nevermind, its at the end. Monopoly. well, duh, nothing new there.
[14:47] <cmaloney> "The World’s First Adult Entertainment Site Powered By Blockchain Technology! WhitePaper: [redacted]"
[14:47] <cmaloney> Apparently I have summoned the uberbot on Twitter.
[15:12] <brousch> I don't understand 99% of the blockchain-based technologies that people have created
[15:15] <cmaloney> Honestly the only thing I understand about blockchain is it tends to attract a lot of flies
[20:03] <jrwren> anyone login to see how much those keyboards are at massdrop? i can't imagine they are a cheap or nice as this $26 Hcman ;)
[20:06] <rick_h> jrwren: no, but now I'm curious
[20:06] <rick_h> jrwren: unless it's ergo not sure I'm interested these days, though the greens had me tempted to try
[20:07] <rick_h> jrwren: hmm, $124 atm
[20:07] <cmaloney> Apparently Jorge ordered some CODE keyboards via Massdrop
[20:07] <cmaloney> I'd ask him here but...
[20:08] <rick_h> cmaloney: yea, I assume that's what jrwren was referring
[20:08] <jrwren> lmao @ $124
[20:09] <cmaloney> Yeah, I can get their keyboard any day of the week for $145  - $155
[20:09] <cmaloney> Sorry, $165
[20:10] <jrwren> https://www.amazon.com/Hcman-Mechanical-Keyboard-Switches-Computer/dp/B01N57WL39/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1506024542&sr=8-1&keywords=hcman
[20:10] <jrwren> I guess I like blues.
[20:10] <jrwren> reds and clears are too soft
[20:11] <cmaloney> Have you tried the Blacks?
[20:12] <jrwren> I've not.
[20:13] <cmaloney> I've enjoyed them. They're heavy without being overly clicky
[23:31] <Scary_Guy> I just want a nice split mechanical keyboard in Dvorak, why is that so hard?
[23:33] <Scary_Guy> https://www.amazon.com/Kinesis-Freestyle2-Ergonomic-Keyboard-Separation/dp/B0089ZYMGQ/ref=sr_1_5/137-5137871-5882124?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1506036759&sr=1-5&keywords=split+keyboard
[23:33] <Scary_Guy> but also with a keypad too
[23:54] <cmaloney> Can't help you there: allergic to split keyboards and really allergiv to Dvorak. :)


[00:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah goody. bug 292381 . Ill suscribe myself
[00:38] <ubot3> Malone bug 292381 in linux "[hardy] kernel 2.6.24-21-generic and gcc version mismatch" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/292381
[12:27] <Quintasan> Can anyone tell me will the ext4 fix (scheduled to release with 2.6.30) will be backported to Ubuntu kernel?
[12:36] <rtg> Quintasan: Jaunty is following stable updates wrt ext4
[12:37] <Quintasan> wrt?
[12:42] <rtg> Quintasan: 'with respect to'
[12:42] <dandel> rtg, did the 2.6.25 kernel build mess up or something?
[12:43] <dandel> it's completely unbootable on 1 of my boxes.
[12:44] <rtg> dandel: I only received notification that it built. Have to tried 2.6.26 as well?
[12:44] <amitk_> dandel: it is an automated build
[12:44] <dandel> i have tried 2.6.25 and 2.6.26 against bug #338701
[12:44] <ubot3> Malone bug 338701 in linux "acpi_irq is not set properly." [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/338701
[12:44] <dandel> 2.6.26 and 2.6.27 both have the same error
[12:45] <dandel> as for 2.6.25 i put the exact stop point up on the bug report
[12:47] <dandel> it appears that the start_secondary integration might of been what knocked out my acpi.
[12:54] <rtg> amitk_: so, you don't like that VFP patch, huh?
[12:57] <amitk_> amitk_: 1 down, 1 to go :)
[12:57] <Quintasan> rtg: thanks
[12:57] <amitk_> rtg: The remaining one has been around for over a year. I don't like applying patches that upstream might have rejected
[13:22] <Kano> hi rtg
[13:22] <Kano> rtg: did you read my mail about hpa
[13:23] <rtg> Kano: just working through the list. I was traveling yesterday
[14:17] <Kano> rtg: could you revert the hpa change?
[14:17] <Kano> i can do that for my kernel packages, but i dont want to have offline members of my raid when i test u
[14:19] <Kano> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-jaunty.git;a=commit;h=0d3c04214230d4340345a7a5d5353883b3299d9f
[14:19] <Kano> revert this please
[14:26] <soren> Kano: What's the problem with it?
[14:27] <Kano> the problem is that i have got hds with hpa which are raid members (using dmraid)
[14:28] <Kano> if hpa is unlocked it is not working. another problems war boards which store bios backup information
[14:28] <Kano> at the end of a hd
[14:28] <Kano> then that hd is locked by hpa and it should not be overritten
[14:29] <Kano> this is known for some new gigabyte boards
[14:29] <Kano> i wrote the same to the mailinglist
[14:32] <Kano> that feature is called virtual dual bios
[14:42] <soren> Kano: Wouldn't the same problem happen to people who are used to having hpa disabled by default, then?
[14:42] <Kano> soren: dmesg|grep HPA
[14:42] <Kano> no output -> no error
[14:43] <soren> Eh?
[14:44] <Kano> soren: most systems do not use hpa
[14:44] <soren> If someone is used to having HPA disabled and have RAID members configured like that, and we suddenly don't disable it by default anymore, /they/ are going to be screwed, aren't they?
[14:45] <Kano> soren: the motherboard raid seems to rely on it
[14:45] <Kano> it is impossible that you have to unlock it. windows does not unlock hpa
[14:46] <Kano> only 1 user even had issues from disabling hpa and that was definitely his own fault
[14:47] <Kano> because he used the 32 gbit limit jumper. he did not do that by purse, i guess he just looked at the jumper picture the wrong way
[14:48] <Kano> thats a very clear error then, when fdisk -l reports a 32 gb partition only
[14:49] <Kano> ata2.00: HPA detected: current 66055248, native 312581808
[14:49] <Kano> thats how it looks
[14:49] <soren> How is it impossible that I have to unlock it? I've most certainly had systems before where the BIOS wanted me to not see parts of the hard drive and had the kernel fix that up for me.
[14:49] <Kano> in dmesg
[14:49] <Kano> soren: you can still force it,but do not disable hpa by default
[14:50] <soren> Correct me if I'm wrong, but disabling HPA has been the default in Ubuntu for a long time, hasn't it?
[14:51] <Kano> it was default for 8.04
[14:51] <Kano> but not for 8.10
[14:51] <rtg> soren: /etc/modprobe.d/options:options libata ignore_hpa=1
[14:51] <Kano> maybe in the options, but i do not use those options
[14:51] <Kano> but if that was the option, then the override would be libata.ignore_hpa=1 if somebody needs it
[14:52] <soren> Kano: Well, pardon me, but how are your defaults our problem?
[14:52] <rtg> Kano: so, Jaunty behavior has not changed. we removed the modprobe option and made ignore_hpa=1 the default in the module.
[14:53] <Kano> rtg: it is still the wrong. the kernel default is better
[14:53] <rtg> Kano: feel free to add the option to your modprobe options
[14:53] <Kano> they do not matter when you statically build it
[14:54] <rtg> grub is your friend
[14:55] <soren> Kano: That really depends on how you define "better".
[14:56] <Kano> soren: i define it less problematic. if you have got a raid and when you boot linux and then you see all are offline members, then you can get panic
[14:56] <Kano> only full power off works
[14:57] <soren> Kano: Yes, but if you installed your system with ignore_hpa=1 and it's suddenly =0, then you have the same problem.
[14:57] <Kano> soren: only in the case that hpa was used! thats a very rare case
[14:57] <soren> ...and since we've had ignore_hpa=1 for a while now, sticking with that will cause least problems for /our/ users.
[14:57] <Kano> not correct
[14:58] <Kano> it will force problems for NEW users
[14:58] <Kano> with gigabyte boards
[14:58]  * soren finds something else to do...
[14:58] <soren> It's not my decision anyway.
[15:01]  * Daviey wonders what LTS -> LTS upgrade will bring
[15:03] <rtg> Daviey: IIRC, ignoring HPA has been the default since Feisty
[15:03] <Daviey> Oh
[15:03] <Daviey> < Kano> it was default for 8.04 <-- confused me
[15:03] <Kano> soren: what do you win when you unlock hpa, next time the bios writes its backup again there an then data of the last partition at the end is overwitten
[15:03] <rtg> Daviey: can't tell you how we'll handle Dapper upgrades
[15:04] <Kano> Daviey: it was a kernel config setting for hdX devices (legacy code), but now ide legacy is not used anymore
[16:04] <johanbr> anubhav: Changing up_threshold for the ondemand governor made a big difference. Thanks!
[16:04] <anubhav> johanbr:cool :)
[16:07] <johanbr> For the Ubuntu kernel devs: up_threshold for the ondemand governor was set to 60 in Intrepid, but in Jaunty it's 95.
[16:07] <johanbr> This makes the ondemand governor very slow to trigger. What's the reason for this change?
[16:10] <anubhav>  johanbr: laptops will run much cooler i guess
[17:04] <JanC> anubhav: shouldn't that be set depending on laptop vs. desktop then?
[17:06] <anubhav> amitk : For the Ubuntu kernel devs: up_threshold for the ondemand governor was set to 60 in Intrepid, but in Jaunty it's 95.This makes the ondemand governor very slow to trigger. What's the reason for this change?
[17:07] <anubhav> amitk: This question was asked by johanbr.Do you have any idea?
[17:09] <amitk> anubhav: I am not aware of the reason for the change. Is it different from the value that upstream uses?
[17:09] <rtg> amitk: it is the upstream code, but it changed a bit from Intrepid.
[17:10] <mjg59> No, it's what upstream uses when you have microaccountin
[17:14] <anubhav> mjg59: By upstream do you mean the kernel?
[17:16] <rtg> anubhav: by upstream we mean Linus' repository
[17:18] <mjg59> Yes
[17:18] <anubhav> so the driver by default sets to 95?
[17:18] <anubhav> let me check the code
[17:20] <mjg59> MICRO_FREQUENCY_UP_THRESHOLD is the relevant define here
[17:21] <anubhav> yeah got it,but in the Documentation its mentioned that 80 is default
[17:22] <anubhav> http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v<IP_ADDRESS>/Documentation/cpu-freq/governors.txt
[17:23] <mjg59> The documentation is out of date
[17:23] <mjg59> It's 80 if you don't have support for idle microaccounting
[17:23] <mjg59> Because there's less certainty about the true workload
[17:44] <Unggnu> hi all
[17:45] <Unggnu> How can I activate/use the Ubuntu kernel staging drivers?
[17:53] <Unggnu> like the ones listed under https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/jaunty-changes/2009-January/003537.html
[20:50] <davygrvy> what are the kernel options to reserve irq 3, port range 210-21F and dma 1 ?
[20:51] <davygrvy> something I'll be running in dosemu will need them
[20:54] <mjg59> Simply don't bind a driver to them
[20:56] <davygrvy> all that boot stuff is automatic
[20:56] <mjg59> Which driver is taking them?
[20:57] <davygrvy> don't know yet, I want to be prepared
[20:57] <davygrvy> in the older hardware the pccard redirector took 3
[20:58] <mjg59> The kernel isn't responsible for IRQ routing. If there's hardware that's decoding that irq and io port ranges then simply getting the kernel to ignore them won't make things magically work for you
[20:58] <davygrvy> is there a how-to for irq, port, and dma conflicts?
[21:01] <davygrvy> some stuff is programmable, though.  the pci video card could do three irqs
[21:01] <mjg59> Programmable by the bios, yes
[21:02] <davygrvy> well, if this bios let me in :)  but that's another story about old IBM thinkpad lame-o bios
[21:02] <mjg59> What, precisely, are you trying to do?
[21:02] <davygrvy> what are the kernel options to reserve irq 3, port range 210-21F and dma 1 ?
[21:02] <mjg59> That's not a useful question for you to ask
[21:02] <davygrvy> iow, disallow it being used
[21:03] <davygrvy> why?
[21:03] <mjg59> Because dosemu isn't going to pay any attention to whether or not the kernel has allocated them anyway
[21:04] <mjg59> Why are you trying to prevent them being used by the kernel?
[21:04] <davygrvy> because the specail ISA data aquisition card for this old DOS app uses them
[21:07] <mjg59> Ok.
[21:08] <mjg59> But the kernel doesn't allocate IRQs, the BIOS does. And if the BIOS gives IRQ 3 to something else then reserving it in the kernel won't help.
[21:09] <davygrvy> In that respect I see, but would be nice see a nice error message telling me that
[21:09] <davygrvy> I'm sorry, the port redirector for PCCards is on 3, can not continue.. or whatever
[21:10] <davygrvy> what are the kernel boot options to reserve irq 3, port range 210-21F and dma 1 ?
[21:11] <mjg59> You can prevent the kernel using IRQ 3 for PCI by passing irqmask=0xfff7
[21:12] <davygrvy> where is that mask documented?
[21:12] <mjg59> Documentation/kernel-paramaters.txt
[21:12] <davygrvy> looks to be ~(0x0003)
[21:12] <davygrvy> ahh
[21:12] <davygrvy> that you
[21:12] <davygrvy> err
[21:12] <davygrvy> thank you
[21:13] <davygrvy> that took alot of words to get there
[21:14] <mjg59> But that doesn't reserve irq 3
[21:14] <mjg59> Or the port range or dma port
[21:14] <mjg59> There's the pnp_reserve_* arguments, but again those will only help if the device is being configured by pnp
[21:15] <mjg59> In the general case what you're asking for is impossible
[21:17] <davygrvy> armed with the boot options I expect to find success,  at least in the debugging area
[21:20] <davygrvy> pci=irqmask=0xMMMM
[22:39] <lesshaste> hi


[00:56] <AngryTom> What is the best gui virtual machine manager for Qemu?
[01:13] <topcat001> virt-manager is quite easy to use
[01:26] <AngryTom> I will check it out.
[02:53] <lp2skyline> Hi, I'm having this weird error when installing Ubuntu 23.10.1 to my Surface Pro 4. It says "request to /storage/v2/guided crashed with ValueError" when I select "Erase disk and install Ubuntu"
[02:53] <lp2skyline> Well, it says that when I go to report the problem
[04:59] <kucklehead> Why is the bashdb package not available for jammy?
[05:01] <ravage> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=focal&section=all&arch=any&keywords=bashdb&searchon=names does not return anything at all
[05:10] <kucklehead> ravage,  Yes, I am aware of that. I have been planning on creating some advance scripts and would prefer to have a debugger on hand. The --debugger flag is disabled and the source code from github has not been updated for awhile now. I am trying to figure out why they removed it or have not added it. I have thought about manually installing it, however, I would prefer to install it from a repo of some sort that has it up to date as of this year. I
[05:10] <kucklehead> did find a repo that last updated in 2021 i think
[05:11] <ravage> it never existed
[05:11] <kucklehead> Oh
[05:11] <ravage> at least not on any release supported right now
[05:12] <ravage> https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/man1/bashdb.1.html
[05:13] <ravage> so it was removed after 16.04
[05:14] <ravage> i guess today you would use something like https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=rogalmic.bash-debug
[05:21] <ravage> or https://github.com/koalaman/shellcheck
[06:59] <dimitri> hi
[09:23] <phr34k> hello, I am a bit confused about extglob. Basically, I have directory of files that I want to move except for one i.e.       "mv !(test) test" is that it skips hidden files.
[09:24] <phr34k> I'm just not really how i can make my behavior work.
[09:38] <ms9944> hi
[09:52] <YoY> Hello all
[09:52] <YoY> i have an old notebook i want to know what are the alternatives for it ?
[09:55] <AngryTom> a new notebook?
[10:03] <ravage> YoY: we need a little more information. what are the specs?
[14:36] <Yakov> sometimes getting 200~ word preceding my commands in gnome-terminal, how to fix it?
[14:39] <jeremy31> Yakov: sounds like a copy paste issue from internet browser
[14:40] <jeremy31> Yakov: https://superuser.com/questions/1532688/pasting-required-text-into-terminal-emulator-results-in-200required-text
[14:57] <mort> What are some tricks for disabling or reducing logging in Ubuntu?
[14:57] <mort> I have Ubuntu running from an SD card on an SBC, constant writes to SD cards destroys them
[15:02] <Paris> did you check the writes? cause things are firtuakized sometimes like /proc /sys, maybe it is possible tobhave /var as a RAM virtual partiton? very unsure too, and complicated. It must be possible to reduce with config options in /etc maybe, i mean reduce log stuff to necessary, move your /tmp folder too then,symlink to a another storage things like that.
[15:03] <mort> I don't want logs eating up my RAM either though
[15:22] <Yakov> how to locate ~/.inputrc file (need to edit lines for ~200 brackets set enable-bracketed-paste On)
[15:51] <seere> Yakov: just as you named it - right in your home directory. If not there then create it.
[16:01] <Yakov> seere ty
[16:06] <fweht> why are all folders from my home on my desktop, i thought only files and folders from the desktop folder are supposed to show up?
[16:19] <rbox> mort: what logs do you want to disable
[16:22] <ppnm> i got a zombie process https://tfaq.cc/uZ5OtO
[16:24] <ppnm> after kill the orphan ... when log in they run again
[16:44] <dg_> Can I ask for help with hostapd?
[16:44] <rbox> i dont know, can you?
[16:45] <dg_> I tried set up an Access Point, but it stops broadcasting after a short while
[16:58] <mort> rbox: all sorts of stuff that writes to files in /var/log
[16:58] <rbox> for example
[16:58] <seere> ppnm: to get rid of a zombie kill the parent. if there are other ways to let the parent collect the exit state of it's dead children then use this. But usually there aren't any as zombies mostly are from programming errors in the parent (not wait(2)-ing for their children)
[16:59] <mort> journald, nginx, sshd, apt, syslog, ubuntu-advantage stuff, dmesg, cloud-init, apport, ...
[17:01] <rbox> the journal has config files for controlling how much and where it logs
[17:02] <rbox> syslog controls most of that other stuff and you can configure that
[17:31] <WhyDItGo> Hello! Does anyone know if the two recent base updates reverted the new App Center back to Ubuntu Software? Is there info I'm missing? App Center was just there yesterday. Booting my machine this morning, it's back to App Center.........
[17:34] <rbox> "the two recent updates"...
[17:37] <WhyDItGo> BASE updates - I figured the name implies a "Core Base" that every Ubuntu system runs. I'd appreciate help instead of mocking quotation
[17:37] <rbox> huh?
[17:38] <WhyDItGo> Where can I check/what can I provide to try to help figure out what, and when, it happened?
[17:38] <centHOGG> interwebs
[17:39] <rbox> figure out what
[17:40] <WhyDItGo> My apologies, my original post has a mistake: My 'App Center' (New with 23.10) reverted back to old 'Ubuntu Software'
[17:41] <WhyDItGo> App Center was there just yesterday; this morning booting up (after installing a second prompted 'Base Update(s)' for the second day in a row), App Center has been replaced with Ubuntu Software
[17:41] <rbox> so the title changed?
[17:41] <WhyDItGo> The whole app
[17:42] <rbox> so you're just using 2 separate things...
[17:42] <WhyDItGo> Here's the full story
[17:46] <WhyDItGo> I first found this chat & learned to connect after I upgraded a FRESH 22.04 install to the detected 23.10 update available. No errors or anything; system updates.....everything but Ubuntu Software to App Center (the main touted benefit of this update). User here was able to help me narrow it down to the old Ubuntu Software having a process running that wouldn't close & was stopping replacement of US to AC
[17:47] <WhyDItGo> Closed the process, ran the update, Ubuntu Software was uninstalled & App Center installed and working(ish, I figure the small things I've found are just bugs to iron out later; nothing major. Until this morning)
[17:48] <WhyDItGo> This happens right as I'm trying to force myself to let go of a nasty cycle of building & destroying so many Ubuntu installs because "something went wrong; something else *might* be wrong, let's burn down the house & build a new one
[17:49] <rbox> the main benefit of updating ubuntu is a different installer app?
[17:49] <centHOGG> i know
[17:49] <centHOGG> :)
[17:49] <WhyDItGo> BUT: It was literally a freshly installed 22.04 that I spent maybe 45m-1H configuring Settings, when the system prompted it found the 23.10 upgrade (just days after it's release)
[17:50] <centHOGG> live and learn, LTS ftw
[17:50] <WhyDItGo> So, if I can't trust a freshly installed system to not break RIGHT OUT OF THE BOX like that...that's just another confirmation that I /am/ valid in burning down the house & rebuilding (because I don't have to worry about actual materials spent ;P)
[17:51] <centHOGG> less is more with linux
[17:51] <rbox> if you can't trust a freshyly installed system... who can you t rust
[17:55] <WhyDItGo> centHOGG Very much this. I get the release cycle; I get a lot of things behind it's development. But...man...this is just the same sh*t happening more than a decade and a half later (more?) after learning about Ubuntu in high school.  But how TF does the main part of an upgrade just...not upgrade? Not have privileges to end the old
[17:55] <WhyDItGo> softwares process to install the new? To act like everything went fine with no errors.  Keep pushing me into my burn the house for the spider ;D
[17:56] <centHOGG> WhyDItGo: troodat. Stick with the LTS (forexample 20.04). Then purge stuff after you've setup desktop style
[17:56] <centHOGG> shouldn't take long at all
[18:02] <WhyDItGo> I could go on laughing & ranting (thanks for the humour; needed it), but I do want to try and get to the bottom of how it replaced itself (in case of potential security issues). Is there a (human readable) go-to log for general App Installs?
[18:03] <centHOGG> well, why not lookup the problem on the internet and maybe something will come up (guessing)
[18:03] <rbox> yes, something defintely hacked you
[18:03] <rbox> WhyDItGo: apt logs are in /var/log
[18:07] <dtg01100> i've had the snap-store also downgrade to the version in latest/stable instead of the channel i'm tracking in latest/stable/ubuntu-23.10
[18:10] <WhyDItGo> Thank you rbox. Odd, only entry is for an update to gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock, but I know there were more changes through apt (and possibly the one's I'm looking for were made outside apt & possibly not show?). Also, this entry was supposedly held back (which I thought was odd) as reported in a Terminal window
[18:11] <WhyDItGo> @dtg01100 Can you elaborate please? I do know there are different release channels - are you suggestion something might be pointing to "22.04 Latest" versus "23.10" latest? Where can I check this?
[18:12] <dtg01100> running "snap info snap-store" in a terminal
[18:12] <WhyDItGo> I usually check all sources of installed apps out of curiosity/occasionally needing a [newer] version. Since App Center didn't fully upgrade, I could see where something might be pointing to an old resource
[18:13] <centHOGG> 99% of resources in linux are open-source
[18:14] <dtg01100> the paste of my output is at https://dpaste.com/B22DPZX5C
[18:15] <dtg01100> it's been acting the same for both of my computers, so it's not an issue with that single install
[18:15] <WhyDItGo> @dtg01100 I understand what your saying. Mine's tracking 'latest/stable/ubuntu-23.10', so sounds like we've experienced similar
[18:16] <dtg01100> the only thing i've found online is a couple of reddit threads that were posted earlier today
[18:17] <dtg01100> thinking of putting a post in the snapcraft forum to see if anyone knows what happened
[18:20] <Yakov> having some crappy popups in my firefox browser like adds which blocks for a while ability to click with mouse any tab
[18:20] <Yakov> how to disable it and protect against new?
[18:21] <xangua> Ublock
[18:21] <xangua> Ublock Origin* addon for Firefox
[18:24] <WhyDItGo> @dtg01100 Bingo, ours "refreshed" around the same time. I'm going to upload my output. Might check the other install and see if/when it refreshed - looks like a process that waits until "late at night" (21:00, 22:00) to trigger. My machine was off the charger and died, but would've happened HOURS after the refresh
[18:25] <WhyDItGo> Actually, 22:25 PST for me possibly is when that base update triggered & I installed it through the 'Software Updater' tool
[18:26] <WhyDItGo> https://dpaste.com/FBH6Y45P4
[18:26] <WhyDItGo> Feel free to reference that in any posts you make
[18:29] <WhyDItGo> @Yakov Are you sure this is limited to just a plugin & not malware? You can type 'about:addons' (without single quotes) to get to the management view where you can remove. If you're not sure which, disable all and turn them on one at a time. @xangua is correct; there are many ad blocking services; Go with Ublock Origin
[18:32] <WhyDItGo> Additionally, there are labs that review anti-virus/malware products & generate data to see which are best - if you browse questionable territory on the internet, this is recommended if your hardware won't be bottled down with one for Linux
[18:34] <WhyDItGo> @dtg01100 Thank you very much for your help! This helps narrow things down; and it helps to hear you have more than one machine experiencing similar. Only other question: Were you able to successfully force it to upgrade back to App Center instead of Ubuntu Software?
[18:40] <dtg01100> @WhyDItGo you can try running "snap revert snap-store" to roll back the last update
[18:45] <dtg01100> @WhyDItGo If the previous version isn't available on your system. You can also run "snap refresh snap-store --channel latest/edge" to follow the absolute latest versions, but that may be unstable.
[18:45] <Yakov> WhyDItGo, it looks like malware, ad blocker does not help
[18:45] <Yakov> WhyDItGo what should I do?
[18:49] <WhyDItGo> @Yakov Did you disable all Add-on Extensions to confirm the issue was still happening? If so & it's persisting, you generally gave two options: 1) Try and save the system or 2) Backup Data for sanitization later & nuke/re-install system
[18:53] <WhyDItGo> @Yakov Option 1 I personally would image the drive where Ubuntu is installed just to have a copy. Then, there are special USB-based rescue tools (do an internet search for which you care to use; don't pay - there are plenty of free one's that are reputable/have been around awhile
[18:53] <Yakov> I think I just reinstall system
[18:53] <Yakov> ty
[18:53] <WhyDItGo> Before you go
[18:55] <WhyDItGo> Backup data to a "blank" USB you want to keep and SANITIZE THE FILES before moving them back to your computer. Most likely isolated to Firefox, but, you never know & it's best to be safe. Good luck!
[19:01] <disgrunt> Sorry for the newb question but searching the Internet has been of no use for me... I'd like the apt system to automatically install all documentation packages, how is that properly accomplished?
[19:05] <rbox> what documentation packages
[19:07] <disgrunt> rbox:  Any related to the package being installed.  man, info, doc, etc.
[19:07] <rbox> man pages are always installed
[19:07] <disgrunt> rbox:  There are often seperate -doc packages as well as info, etc, etc.
[19:08] <rbox> like?
[19:08] <WhyDItGo> If you mean documentation per piece of software, I believe that's explicitly up to the person that packages it. In my experience, to keep a lot of software light, they'll include basic commands if not installed by default
[19:08] <disgrunt> WhyDItGo:  I'm aware.  I'm wondering how to get the apt system to autoinstall and -doc packages.
[19:08] <disgrunt> For a start.
[19:09] <rbox> what makes you think it can do that
[19:09] <disgrunt> rbox:  Because Debian could in the '00s.
[19:09] <rbox> by doing what
[19:10] <disgrunt> rbox:  If I remembered that, I'd probably have my answer.
[19:13] <disgrunt> Perhaps another question... On 24.04.3 is there a way to have an encrypted /boot that isn't a major hassle?
[19:25] <WhyDItGo> @rbox You come off rather abrasive & unwilling to help for, well, the #ubuntu HELP chat...
[19:25] <kwhat4> Hi, I have been using ubutnu for some github actions and the cross compiler I was installing not longer works.  The same process I use to install as part of the CI process seems to work on my local image.  Does anyone know what maybe causing this: https://dpaste.com/HANWQKTAP ?  The installation process I am using: https://dpaste.com/HJDMY5MCY
[19:27] <rbox> kwhat4: and what version are you using
[19:28] <rbox> and when did this stop working
[19:29] <kwhat4> 20.04 for both, local is at 20.04.4 and I am not sure what the remote exact version is. How can I determine that? is there a /etc/release file on ubuntu?
[19:29] <kwhat4> rbox not exactly sure when it stopped. It was working about 3 months ago
[19:31] <boxrick> Hello folks!
[19:33] <WhyDItGo> Firstly there are broken packages that need to be fixed. You can follow the suggestions here: https://phoenixnap.com/kb/ubuntu-fix-broken-packages and possibly craft your own. Then, you'll want to check for any remaining dependencies that aren't met; you may be able to install using an apt command
[19:33] <rbox> where is 22.04 coming from then
[19:34] <boxrick> I'm running a modern x570 system with a (fast 980pro) NVME disk and a fresh install of 22.04. The latency seems high for that disk, so I swapped it out for an even faster one (Hynix Platinum P41) which was the double the size. Did another fresh install and still same issue. https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/CKjgh4Oh/IMG_7003.PNG
[19:34] <boxrick> I'm running a modern x570 system with a (fast 980pro) NVME disk and a fresh install of 22.04. The latency seems high for that disk, so I swapped it out for an even faster one (Hynix Platinum P41) which was the double the size. Did another fresh install and still same issue. https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/RkgSthdC/IMG_7002.PNG
[19:34] <boxrick> Oh it double sent the text.... Anyway you get the point
[19:38] <kwhat4> rbox lsb_release -a on the remote instance shows buntu 22.04.3 LTS (jammy)
[19:38] <rbox> well that explains why you're seeing differences...
[19:40] <Yakov> I just copied some snap binaries from one machine (where it was built) to other machine, I need to add new app to snap list and run using absolute path, how to proceed?
[19:48] <dtg01100> @WhyDItGo I've now reproduced the snap-store version issue with a fresh vm
[19:49] <WhyDItGo> @dtg01100 I'm curious! General steps to reproduce? As in, you had it "downgrade/revert" itself?
[19:50] <dtg01100> @WhyDItGo Installed a fresh vm, attempted to switch channel to latest/stable/ubuntu-23.10
[19:51] <WhyDItGo> @Yakov Sorry, this is a bit beyond me
[19:51] <dtg01100> this was an attempt to remove any possibility of my setup being the problem
[19:52] <WhyDItGo> 23.10 direct install, or 22.04->23.10?
[19:54] <dtg01100> my own machine was a 23.10 direct install, the vm is a 22.04 install
[19:54] <kwhat4> Is there a way i can specify a GCC slot to install ?
[19:55] <rbox> kwhat4: what do you mean slot
[19:55] <kwhat4> like 12 or 11 instead of the exact version
[19:55] <rbox> you can't pick the version
[19:55] <rbox> you get wahts in the repo
[19:55] <kwhat4> why on earth is it trying to install both 11 and 12?
[19:57] <rbox> whre is it instaling 11 and 12
[19:57] <seere> there are some gcc-XY in the repos.
[19:58] <rbox> kwhat4: i just spun up a 22.04 container and your script worked fine for me
[19:59] <seere> kwhat4: maybe packages depending on an exact gcc version?
[19:59] <kwhat4> Setting up gcc-12-cross-base (12.3.0-1ubuntu1~22.04cross1) ...followed by Setting up gcc-11-cross-base (11.4.0-1ubuntu1~22.04cross1) ...
[19:59] <kwhat4> I have no idea why this GitHub image stopped working.
[20:04] <WhyDItGo> @dtg01100 To clarify, I suspect my path (Fresh 22.04, almost immediately upgraded to 23.10 BUT failed to upgrade properly) was what had to do with then the 23.10 reverting itself (once I fixed it not being upgraded lol)
[20:07] <WhyDItGo> @dtg01100 22.04 is shipped with Ubuntu Software; App Center is new in 23.10. If I understand correctly by what you typed, you forced a 22.04 fresh system to install 23.10, and it reverted back to 22.04 Ubuntu Software from 23.10 App Center?
[20:11] <dtg01100> @WhyDItGo Ubuntu Software and App Center are rebrands of snap-store, it updates independently of the rest of the system. I think the store issue just had really unfortunate timing in your case.
[20:50] <kwhat4> turns out M$ has added their own repos to their images
[20:52] <Yakov> need to completely purge/reinstall valgrind without reinstalling OS
[20:52] <Yakov> any clues?
[20:56] <kwhat4> For some reason i need deb https://ppa.launchpadcontent.net/ubuntu-toolchain-r/test/ubuntu/ jammy main with their container
[20:59] <kwhat4> Yakov cant you just apt remote valgrind && apt autoremove and then reinstall?
[21:28] <Yakov> update db && locate, rm -r does the trick
[23:27] <MrMobius> can I change the color of colors in the terminal in ubuntu server running in console mode? I don't mean the terminal program since I'm not SSHing in from another computer and I'm not booting into a GNOME or a GUI with a terminal program. I mean the actual color on the LCD when it boots directly to the terminal. The shade of regular blue for directory names, for example, is so dark it's hard to see on the black background
[23:31] <rbox> MrMobius: LS_COLORS is the colors ls uses
[23:32] <MrMobius> rbox: ls is just an example. I'm hoping to change the rgb value of that shade of blue for anything that writes to the screen
[23:33] <rbox> https://askubuntu.com/questions/147462/how-can-i-change-the-tty-colors
[23:33] <rbox> maybe?


[01:12] <frez> Hi
[01:13] <frez> Have a customer deploying Azure VMSS from ARM Template and they occassionally encountere issue where the 'cloud_init
[01:14] <frez> fails with the creation of the users.
[01:14] <frez> Errors:
[01:14] <frez> Running module scripts-user (module 'cloudinit.config.cc_scripts_user' from '/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/cloudinit/config/cc_scripts_user.py') failed
[01:15] <frez> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/9554647d9097f0555a5d6a787e1fd937/pasted.txt
[01:15] <frez> [ 167.124968] cloud-init[2341]: 2021-06-25 10:27:34,980 - util.py[WARNING]: Failed running /var/lib/cloud/instance/scripts/part-001 [137]
[01:15] <frez> [ 167.163108] cloud-init[2341]: 2021-06-25 10:27:35,040 - cc_scripts_user.py[WARNING]: Failed to run module scripts-user (scripts in /var/lib/cloud/instance/scripts)
[01:15] <frez> [ 167.187380] cloud-init[2341]: 2021-06-25 10:27:35,040 - util.py[WARNING]: Running module scripts-user (module 'cloudinit.config.cc_scripts_user' from '/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/cloudinit/config/cc_scripts_user.py') failed
[01:15] <frez> this doesnt look an issue on the image but most likely the 'cloud
[01:15] <frez> -'cloud_init' script failing.
[01:17] <frez> just like to know who i can reach out to on behalf of my customer for this issue.
[07:42] <tz0py> hi guys, is it possible to change root password on ubuntu with cloudinit?
[10:22] <jbg> a deployment of mine using cloud-init has started failing to boot in CI. I suspect it's due to systemd 249. the error is during netplan.py render_network_state, and it fails to run `udevadm test-builtin net_setup_link /sys/class/net/lo` with exit code 1 and this output: https://0paste.com/266533
[10:22] <jbg> any ideas?
[12:54] <Guest16> Hi ,I was trying to configure logdna via cloud-init
[12:54] <Guest16> i was wondering if there is any logdna module in could-init ?
[14:36] <rharper> jbg: thanks for the paste, that does look like a systemd/udevd issue, can you file a bug (ubuntu bug cloud-init I think should work, or cloud-init collect-logs  on a failed instance and attach log to launchpad bug)
[14:37] <jbg> rharper: sure, will do!
[14:37] <rharper> falcojr: blackboxsw_ ^  looks like we're going to sort out what to do for newer udevd
[15:04] <blackboxsw_> heya folks.
[15:06] <blackboxsw_> rharper  nice! jbg: Thanks for the headsup (and for running CI :) )
[15:08] <rharper> wondering what release that's in
[15:09] <blackboxsw_> rharper: speaking of udev ... I'm wrapping up testing on falcojr's hotplug iteration branch today based on your branch from 4 years ago :)   (wanted to check on Rocky to see how it handles sysconfig dev hotplug first) https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/936
[15:10] <blackboxsw_> my plan was to try to get that PR in and upload to impish early this week so we can get some bake time and exercise some of this in public cloud images on multiple platforms
[15:10] <blackboxsw_> ..... only a couple years since your initial spike :)
[15:11] <blackboxsw_> paride: or others, I put up a minor tooling PR for building rpms on Rocky with our scripts https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/940
[15:29] <blackboxsw_> thanks for looking over it Ryan. I'll field those comments on his PR
[15:40] <rharper> blackboxsw_: jbg : https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/13035  which points to  https://github.com/systemd/systemd/commit/84ea567eb4326eb970a33188649fde6bea2a0d4e#diff-fd460a87ba85f4b05ee20317be02b21aR11
[16:15] <jbg> aha.
[16:15] <jbg> that definitely looks like the issue
[16:50] <rharper> so maybe systemd regression or some distro udev without that fix ;
[16:52] <rharper> oh, and I missed your line about passing in /sys/class/net/lo  ;  that's surprising, other possiblities are LOOPBACK is not configured in kernel (or it's a module an not loaded);    or, there's something in the network config that lists 'lo' as a device that netplan needs to configure;    there's no reason for us to attempt to try to "rename" lo  ... I don't think;  I can't say we've ever tested that


[00:01] <soldats> !skype
[00:01] <ubotu> To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype - To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[00:01] <soldats> Ven]n, if you need those libraries you can download them individually as well
[00:02] <soldats> most people i talk to say they installed it with that link
[00:03] <Ven]n> noen of those are skype 2?
[00:06] <aroo> man i love xubuntu
[00:06] <soldats> aroo, :P
[00:07] <aroo> simplicity is best
[00:07] <soldats> Ven]n, im not sure. ive never seen the point of skype to be honest. i really wasnt aware of a skype 2.0 though sorry
[00:11] <aroo> what is the command to start the default xfce terminal?
[00:12] <soldats> xfce4-terminal
[00:12] <aroo> thanks
[00:13] <soldats> :P
[01:22] <doctordevice> I'm having a rather odd issue with my wireless card under Xubuntu. when I first boot the system, it takes a very long time to identify the signal from my router (WRT54G v5). once it has the signal and I attempt a connection, my router makes no indication that any wifi negotiation is taking place, and the connection fails. I have managed once, and only once, to connect to another wireless router I have (La Fonera). I have
[01:22] <doctordevice> not been able to re-establish that connection, though, since I tried to connect to my WRT.
[01:23] <soldats> can you make sure your router isnt blocking connecctions via mac address
[01:24] <doctordevice> that was one of the first things I checked, actually. made sure the MAC address is on the whitelist
[01:26] <Kuwanger> For some reason I have two network connection icons in my system tray when I should only have one.  How do I fix that?
[01:26] <soldats> did you check on the forums for any other problems with the WRT, i recall some people having problems but look for fixes as well
[01:27]  * soldats connects directly to wireless router
[01:27] <doctordevice> as am I right now
[01:27] <soldats> cool
[01:28] <soldats> Kuwanger, is it a problem, can you remove one, if so will it remove the other?
[01:28] <Kuwanger> soldats: There is no option to remove one.
[01:29] <soldats> hmm if you uncheck enable netwokring on one will it do the same on the other
[01:30] <Kuwanger> I haven't tried.
[01:31] <soldats> i recall that happeneing to me with ubuntu and gnome but i rebooted and it went away
[01:32] <Kuwanger> I've reboted and it didn't go away.
[01:40] <Kuwanger> On an unrelated issue, how do I change the screen blanking so it'll detect when I'm pressing keys on my gamepad?
[01:42] <soldats> why dont you just make the screen never blank and just use the monitor power key to turn it off
[01:44] <Kuwanger> Well, I tried that, but it still blanks. :/
[01:45] <soldats> how did you do it
[01:49] <Kuwanger> Through Xfce Settings->Screensaver, which launches Gnome screensaver preferences.
[01:50] <soldats> try through the xorg.conf
[01:50] <soldats> it will work
[01:55] <Kuwanger> One final question.  How do I figure out what program is grabbing key input?  For some reason, pressing Ctrl+Alt+Left/Right is switching desktops.
[01:56] <soldats> thats standard for xfce i believe, to switch desktops. in each app there should be preferences to tell what keys do what. if not check in each config file.
[02:08] <doctordevice> hrm... how do I change wireless drivers in xubuntu? I have ndiswrapper installed, and I want to try it in place of hostap
[02:10] <soldats> imnot experienced with wireless. you should ask in #ubuntu since its the same underlining kernal
[02:10] <soldats> im sure somone will have a fix for it
[02:10] <doctordevice> ok
[02:12] <fiyawerx> Anyone using a manual install of the nvidia drivers? I Installed Xubuntu, did all the updates (didn't enable restricted drivers) Since i thin kthe ones in repos aren't the newest, not too sure tho. But This is the only distro I've had problems installing with lately
[02:13] <soldats> nvidia-glx-new
[02:14] <soldats> !nvidia
[02:14] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:15] <fiyawerx> Internal Server Error
[02:15] <fiyawerx> nice.
[02:15] <fiyawerx> And do you know what version of the drivers nvidia-glx-new installs?
[02:16] <soldats> "sudo apt-cache search nvidia-glx-new" may say
[02:17] <fiyawerx> found it
[02:17] <fiyawerx> 100.14.19
[02:17] <fiyawerx> aptitude show did the trick
[02:17] <fiyawerx> the newest are 169.07, came out dec 20th
[02:18] <soldats> ahh ok i was about to say aptitude as well
[02:18] <fiyawerx> will check out the binary driver howto once the servers back working
[02:18] <fiyawerx> ah its back
[02:18] <soldats> :P
[02:18] <soldats> good luck
[02:18] <fiyawerx> oh
[02:19] <fiyawerx> that just tells you to do restricted drivers
[02:19] <soldats> nvidia home page may be better
[02:19] <fiyawerx> wonder what happened that ubuntu doesn't like the manual install
[02:19] <soldats> maybe not updates repos
[02:44] <XceII> K guys, I got it straight, thanks for the help, god bless. bbs.
[02:49] <Kuwanger> Thanks for the info.
[02:49] <soldats> np
[02:49] <culb> whats a good media player for xfce, mainly mp3's
[02:50] <soldats> do you like gui or cli
[02:50] <jljohnstone> i use xfmedia
[02:50] <soldats> culb, err directed towards you
[02:50] <culb> gui.......
[02:51] <culb> i dont want a bunch of unneeded dependencies
[02:51] <soldats> amarok is an amazing gui mp3 player but works better on more high end systems rythmbox isnt so bloated but lacks some plug-ins and tools
[02:51] <culb> like amarok for kde or banshee for gnome
[02:52] <soldats> rythmbox is good too, it supports random and random playlists and has support for podcasts
[02:52] <soldats> both ipod capable as well
[02:53] <soldats> epiphany i hear is cool
[03:22] <fiyawerx> I've been trying to get used to Exaile lately
[03:22] <fiyawerx> fairly nice player
[03:22] <fiyawerx> Exaile is a music player aiming to be similar to KDE's Amarok, but for GTK+ and written in Python. I
[04:32] <XceII> what a waste of time, this is the phisher price for teen agers, thanks for the help though, god bless.
[04:35] <zoredache> what the heck was that about?
[04:36] <soldats> hmm trolling maybe
[04:37] <zoredache> perhaps... but he was asking lots of questions about setup a couple hours ago...
[04:38] <soldats> jerk then? doesnt seem to enjoy a great system
[04:38] <soldats> err OS
[04:40] <zoredache> I suppose, but I don't get the drive-by complaining.  If he had a real complaint, it seems like he should have stayed to discuss things.  If he didn't care, why come in at all?
[04:40]  * zoredache shrugs... I just don't understand some people
[04:42] <soldats> thats why it seems more like minor trolling to me
[04:42] <soldats> why do unnecessary complaining
[04:53] <Archangel144> I'm having sound card issues with my Acer 3050,  anyone have any tips.
[04:56] <Archangel144> is anyone on line
[04:58] <soldats> wait
[04:59] <soldats> so whats wrong
[05:03] <Archangel144> I'm not getting any sound from my laptop speakers
[05:03] <soldats> can you go to audio properties and ensure that slsa is selected
[05:04] <soldats> alsa**
[05:06] <Archangel144> I can't seem to find that
[05:09] <soldats> applications > settings > mixer settings
[05:11] <haymaker> hey
[05:11] <haymaker> i've got the ubuntu, what is better about xfce?
[05:15] <soldats> smaller uses less recources but with less support options that come standard haymaker
[05:15] <haymaker> hmm, so if i've got a 1.33 ghz laptop that is a better choice?
[05:15] <haymaker> does it handle gtk apps ok?
[05:16] <zoredache> yes
[05:16] <soldats> thats a pretty good processor, whats the ram, gtk apps are fine
[05:16] <haymaker> 1gb
[05:17] <haymaker> my ubuntu machine is a horse, 3.2g, 2gb
[05:17] <soldats> you should be fine with gnome but xfce is smaller and usually runs faster less of a memory hog
[05:19] <haymaker> i'm getting the xubuntu desktop iso, does this work like the livecd?
[05:20] <soldats> yes
[05:20] <haymaker> cool, i'll put it on a memory stick and give it a shot
[05:20] <soldats> it is a live cd. its ubuntu kernal with xfce
[05:20] <haymaker> what do you mean "less support options"?
[05:21] <soldats> nautilus is a little more advanced than thunar for file management
[05:21] <soldats> the panels as well
[05:21] <haymaker> nautilus sucks, i've got a serious hatred for it
[05:21] <soldats> well try it out and see if you like it :)
[05:23] <haymaker> i want to be able to have transparency, does thunar have that?
[05:24] <soldats> the xfce compositor allows it
[05:24] <soldats> afaik
[05:24] <soldats> as in transperency for thunar
[05:25] <haymaker> i can't make the window backgrounds in nautilus transparent
[05:26] <haymaker> oops, nevermind that, alt and mouse wheel
[07:26] <TeXnicer> Moin
[07:27] <TeXnicer> weird
[07:31] <soldats> ur wierd
[07:32] <soldats> :)
[07:47] <TeXnicer> and you are uber-soldats?
[07:48] <soldats> i wish
[13:34] <asc> I need a 'run program' applet for the xfce panel. Does anybody know of one?
[13:36] <asc> Or any other program which creates a run program dialog, really
[13:36] <TheSheep> asc: the verve plugin
[13:37] <TheSheep> asc: you can also just make a launcher to xfce4-run
[13:37] <TheSheep> xfrun
[13:37] <asc> Ain't in Synaptic. Looking up verve
[13:39] <asc> verve works good - thanks a lot
[13:42] <TheSheep> xfrun is the program that starts when you press alt+f2
[13:45] <asc> I'm putting a franken-environment together, and all the parts aren't working right - metacity's run program dialog doesn't appear.
[13:46] <asc> Hm. Come to that, is metacity the xfce WM? I'm more than open to replacing it with something lighter
[13:48] <asc> Ah, xfwm4. I'll have to look into that.
[13:48] <maxamillion> asc: xfwm4 is what metacity wishes it could be
[13:49] <asc> Heh heh
[13:49] <asc> Just a second, restarting wm
[13:51] <asc> Oooh... :)
[13:52] <asc> Okay, this makes everything I've been trying to do a lot easier.
[13:57] <asc> Er, maybe. Keyboard commands don't work when I don't have the configuration window open.
[17:23] <TeXnicer> moin
[18:03] <lm> .
[18:04] <lm> Anyone here tried xubuntu with ctwm as the window manager?
[18:07] <somerville32> !anyone
[18:07] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[18:12] <lm> Heh.  OK.  The real question is that many of the ubuntu based distros put a lot of their polish into the desktop.  If you want sound/video/networking to work, it will if you run their desktop but tends to fall apart if you don't.  What I'm wondering is if I use ctwm on xubuntu, how much stuff is going to fall apart?
[18:14] <somerville32> The virtual desktops might be funky, I'm not sure
[18:14] <somerville32> Try it out and let me know :)
[18:18] <slow-motion> hi
[18:23] <maxamillion> slow-motion: hello
[18:24] <slow-motion> hi maxamillion
[18:53] <arttu> can anyone help with no audio on a fresh installation?
[18:55] <TheSheep> !anynone
[18:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about anynone - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:55] <TheSheep> !anyone
[18:55] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[18:56] <arttu> i'm very sorry
[18:56] <arttu> not really the irc type
[18:57] <arttu> just kind of lost, don't know what to try
[18:57] <TheSheep> arttu: no problem, just tell us what's wrong
[18:57] <TheSheep> arttu: and if someone has an idea, they will say it
[18:57] <arttu> no audio, works on xp
[18:58] <TheSheep> arttu: how did you check?
[18:58] <lm> Did you try running aumix or alsamixer or alsamixergui and look at the settings to see if the speakers are muted or turned down?
[19:00] <arttu> tried playing the video clip in home/examples, video plays but audio doesn't
[19:00] <arttu> lm: nope, how do i do that?
[19:02] <lm> get a terminal window and run alsamixergui - if it isn't there, try apt-get install alsamixergui
[19:02] <lm> As root
[19:10] <TheSheep> or install it with synaptic
[19:12] <arttu> i installed it with synaptic and ran it
[19:13] <arttu> trying to figure out exactly what i'm looking at and how to cahnge the settings...
[19:15] <arttu> not everything is turned up, but those i can't seem to be able to adjust, PCM Out Path says mute
[19:16] <arttu> does alsa do anything significantly different from volume control?
[19:18] <Turno> I just installed apache2 php5 mysql-server libapache2-mod-auth-mysql php5-mysql.... why is it when i navigate to my jinzora directory it prompts me to save a file with the mime type application/x-https-php?
[19:20] <Turno> err... application/x-httpd-php
[19:20] <Turno> i know i'm an idiot
[19:22] <TheSheep> Turno: install the LAMP package
[19:22] <TheSheep> arttu: alsa is the name of the sound system -- basically all sound drivers
[19:23] <TheSheep> arttu: unmute the PCM channel, it's the main sound channel
[19:25] <Turno> theres an actual lamp package?
[19:26] <arttu> i can't do anything to it
[19:26] <TheSheep> arttu: how come? there is no mute/unmute button?
[19:30] <Turno> thesheep: i did a synaptic search, couldn't find the lamp package
[19:31] <TheSheep> hm
[19:31] <TheSheep> !info ubuntu-lamp
[19:31] <ubotu> Package ubuntu-lamp does not exist in gutsy
[19:31] <TheSheep> weird
[19:32] <arttu> i'm guessing the speaker icons on top of the bars are the mute buttons, they go from green to white when you click them, but they won't respond on the PCM Out Path. they just stay green, and the bars are down to zero, but i can't move them like on most of the others.... PCM Out Path just has Mute written below it
[19:32] <TheSheep> Turno: anyways, I have it on hardy, and it contains these packages:
[19:32] <TheSheep> Turno: Depends: apache2, libapache2-mod-php5, libapache2-mod-python, mysql-server-5.0, php5-gd, php5-mysql, phpmyadmin
[19:32] <TheSheep> Turno: you probably miss the mod_php one
[19:33] <TheSheep> arttu: maybe try the text-mode alsamixer instead, selected the pcm out and press 'm'
[19:33] <TheSheep> arttu: is this the same user that was created during installation?
[19:34] <Turno> i have all of those packages installed except for phpmyadmin
[19:35] <arttu> yes
[19:36] <TheSheep> Turno: you don't need the phpmyadmin
[19:36] <TheSheep> Turno: the behavior you describe indicates that mod_php is not enabled in the web server configuration for some reason...
[19:37] <TheSheep> Turno: have you checked the server logs?
[19:39] <arttu> TheSheep: PCM Out reads "pre 3D" which i can switch to "post 3D" and doesn't seem to affect anything
[19:40] <TheSheep> :/
[19:40] <TheSheep> arttu: did you try any of the other files in the examples?
[19:40] <arttu> just plain PCM looks just fine
[19:40] <arttu> yeah, all 3
[19:44] <Turno> i haven't checked the logs... good thinking
[20:00] <jeriko> 'lo
[20:01] <jeriko> i installed ubuntu-restricted-extras but totem chokes on m3u stream. any ideas?
[20:10] <TheSheep> !w32codecs
[20:10] <ubotu> The Win32 codecs are available from the Medibuntu repositories (see « /msg ubotu medibuntu »), and for releases prior to Gutsy, also at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[20:10] <TheSheep> jeriko: m3u is actually just a text file with an address of the actual stream in it
[20:11] <TheSheep> arttu: when you open a terminal and type 'cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp', do you hear noice from your speakers?
[20:17] <arttu> no
[20:17] <TheSheep> :/
[20:17] <TheSheep> run lspci and see what make and model your sound card is
[20:21] <arttu> TheSheep: Rockwell International Unknown device 4310
[20:22] <TheSheep> ugh, that's doesn't sound too good...
[20:23] <TheSheep> arttu: I'd take a look at forums (http://forum.ubuntu.com) and maybe google for it too... no more ideas, sorry
[20:26] <TheSheep> arttu: oh, you could also ask on #ubuntu, it's the same under the hood
[20:26] <arttu> i found something on it in the forums, gotta keep reading
[20:27] <arttu> on another note, why does terminal keep loggong me out? i installed aterm but haven't figured out how to paste in it yet, makes life harder
[20:28] <TheSheep> arttu: you have an intel graphics card, I presume?
[20:28] <arttu> i read changing color depth to 16 would help but it didn't...
[20:28] <arttu> yes
[20:28] <TheSheep> yes, it should help
[20:28] <TheSheep> or just install and use the gnome-terminal
[20:28] <TheSheep> arttu: about aterm, you usually paste using the middle mouse button
[20:29] <arttu> which i don't have...
[20:29] <TheSheep> arttu: then the two mouse button pressed together
[20:29] <TheSheep> butotns
[20:30] <TheSheep> buttons
[20:31] <arttu> wow... live and learn, i guess i've just spent too much time in the garage..
[20:32] <TheSheep> I don't htink it's really documented anywhere properly...
[20:35] <arttu> thanks a bunch for the effort, at least i found a bunch of settings to tweak for problems to come
[20:36] <TheSheep> :)
[20:40] <Turno> TheSheep: i got it to work
[20:40] <Turno> not sure exactly how
[20:41] <TheSheep> Turno: that's great
[20:41] <Turno> but i think it was probably when I symlinked /etc/apache2/mods-available/php5 into /etc/apache2/mods-enabled
[20:41] <TheSheep> Turno: that may be it :)
[20:41] <Turno> after i did that i had to clear my browser cache
[20:41] <Turno> so i went well past the solution before I realized it was fixed
[20:42] <TheSheep> Turno: playing with ww servers has a lot of things like that
[20:42] <TheSheep> Turno: requires a lot of patience
[21:04] <arttu> TheSheep: i'll have to try to scrap a sound card from somewhere/someone, or enjoy the peace and quiet, the soundcard just isn't supported. thanks for your help and patience!
[22:15] <jeriko> hrm, totem won't even play a local mp3 file after i've installed ubuntu-restricted-extras
[22:15] <jeriko> any suggestions?
[22:15] <jeriko> i've used totem sucessfully in the past on other installs
[22:22] <fiyawerx> hmm
[22:22] <fiyawerx> i just saw an md5 sum mismatch scroll by during ubuntu-restricted-extras
[22:22] <fiyawerx> wonder what package itw as
[22:26] <fiyawerx> jeriko, good question, I even installed w32codecs from medibuntu and no luck
[22:31] <slow-motion> n8
[22:31] <jeriko> fiyawerx: :/
[22:37] <jeriko> fiyawerx: i switched to totem-gstreamer instead of totem-xine and it fixed
[22:37] <jeriko> i must have had some xine issues
[22:37] <fiyawerx> where do you change that?
[22:39] <fiyawerx> oh, apt-get install totem-gstreamer, trying that now
[22:39] <jeriko> sudo apt-get install totem-gstreamer will do it all
[22:41] <fiyawerx> !mp3
[22:41] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[22:42] <fiyawerx> hm no lyuck
[23:21] <Jorophose> Is there going to be a way to upgrade from 6.06 to 8.04 directly?
[23:21] <zoredache> All the docs seem to claim that should be possible
[23:22] <Jorophose> alright! perfect!
[23:22] <zoredache> of course, I suspect it might not be entirely perfect.  The more popular packages will probably work fine
[23:23] <zoredache> I would bet some obscure stuff might have issues.
[23:27] <Jorophose> D=
[23:27] <Jorophose> But will it show up in update-manager?
[23:28] <zoredache> sorry?
[23:30] <soldats> Jorophose, probly not because hardy isnt fully stable yet so no matter what theres is a possibility of something being messed up or bad
[23:31] <Jorophose> Is it being planned though? This really is an important feature, because if I can't upgrade to the next LTS release might as well go for Debian Etch instead =/
[23:31] <march> goodnight :)
[23:33] <soldats> Jorophose, the main reason someting may be messed up is because hardy isnt fully stable yet. 7.10 is the newest stable release and is supported till 2009 i believe. even so, the correct way to upgrade is to upgrade each release. go from 6.06 to 7.10 then 8.04
[23:34] <soldats> its not release yet but its only released as 'trial' to test for stability
[23:59] <jeriko> fiyawerx: i still had issues with some streams using totem-gstreamer
[23:59] <jeriko> i gave up and installed audacious
[23:59] <jeriko> working again


[01:53] <user|49363> How do I upgrade to the most recent release of kubuntu? I currently have 16.04 installed, and I want to upgrade to 16.10
[01:54] <krytarik> !upgradeofflts | user|49363
[02:05] <user|49363> Thanks!
[06:04] <aniketh_> valorie: Okay sure. Thanks
[06:06] <valorie> thank YOU
[06:06] <valorie> patches are always welcome, aniketh_
[06:07] <aniketh_> valorie: thanks. But where to submit the patch for kubuntu ? though
[06:52] <valorie> aniketh_: file a bug on launchpad, and put your patch there
[06:53] <valorie> easiest way is `ubuntu-bug kscreen` in the cli
[12:53] <yocs0000> how do you change the installation folder for a package?
[13:27] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:32] <chr1s> hi BluesKaj
[13:32] <chr1s> how's life?
[13:47] <BluesKaj> hi chr1s, ok here, and you?
[13:47] <chr1s> good thanks, don't seem to be many questions about Kubuntu today, I guess everything is working well :)
[13:52] <BluesKaj> Xenial is finally stabilized and Yakkety was quite stable from the first day, fewer problems than usual so far
[14:00] <chr1s> good good :)
[15:22] <Not_a_Robot> Hi guys, I have a bluetooth headset that is paired to my computer but it does not output any sound. Can someone help me, please?
[15:31] <mgolden> Right click on the speaker in the system tray
[15:32] <mgolden> Not_a_Robot: Right click on the speaker in the system tray
[15:32] <mgolden> Not_a_Robot: Actually, sorry - left click
[15:32] <mgolden> Not_a_Robot: Look at the playback devices
[15:34] <mgolden> Not_a_Robot: If you right click on the icon again, you should be able to select Audio Volume > Output Devices
[15:35] <mgolden> Not_a_Robot: That will allow you to make one of them default
[15:43] <Not_a_Robot> Thank you mgolden :) but the problem is that that does not work :/
[15:53] <mgolden> Not_a_Robot: And you do see it with the Bluetooth control in Settings?
[15:53] <Not_a_Robot> yeah
[15:54] <Not_a_Robot> it is paired correctly
[15:54] <Not_a_Robot> just no sound
[15:54] <Not_a_Robot> I connect it to audio sink but noooes :8
[15:54] <mgolden> I seem to recall that there are some applications that refuse to find it at first
[15:54] <mgolden> I know I got it to work.
[15:55] <mgolden> No... the problem I am thinking of was on Android, not Kubuntu
[15:55] <mgolden> Do you see it as an audio device in the volume control?
[15:57] <Not_a_Robot> Yes mgolden, as I said it is connected and I can listen when I volume up or down
[16:06] <mgolden> So what isn't working?
[21:55] <IrcsomeBot1> Evas0r was removed by: Evas0r


[06:40] <dholbach> good morning
[06:41] <geser> good morning
[06:46] <dholbach> hi geser
[11:41] <bobweaver> Hello there again. I have a question about debhelper mostly about dh_installdirs   I have been reading the man pages for all the deb helper commands. My question has to do with the -A or --all options will this look at the source directory and recursively take all them and put under the package dir ? if not is there a tool that does that ? sorry if I missed it in the guide. Thanks for your time
[11:51] <tumbleweed> bobweaver: I don't quite follow your question
[11:51] <tumbleweed> dh_installdirs -A /foo would create /foo in all the binary packages being built
[11:53] <bobweaver> It is ok I just schooled on debian-mentors  arghh so hard to learn when every one is like this is not for debian and you are like I am on debian and making this for a debian system and I just want to learn and pop gopes bobweavers head
[11:56] <bobweaver> I guess that I am getting upstream and packaging confused. what ever that means just wanted to know if I could take the source folder look into and copy all the files and dirs into the correct place where they are going to need to be put for end user kinda like this http://paste.debian.net/163394/    but if I have to do that with a large project then I am going to get these vars mixed up there has to be a better way.
[12:12] <tumbleweed> bobweaver: Still having a hard time understanding you, but it sounds like you want to use DESTDIR http://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/html_node/DESTDIR.html
[12:16] <bobweaver> I have a project that I am working on here http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~josephjamesmills/zpanelcp/zpanelcp/files    see how I have all the dirs ? they need to me mirrored on to the end users system. Now I spent 2 days working on a great installer script but is is not for apt uses dialog and wget and is a mess so I thought that I would try a go at packaging. As the owner of the software is going to give up on making *nix versions because th
[12:16] <bobweaver> ey have no .debs or ppa or .rpm's and are all php and net guys. so I took on the load.
[12:18] <bobweaver> but do I have to call each varible file but a varible that is going to be over 6000 varibles so if I could say recursivly some how do that in the rules file then that would be great because I would not need 6000 variables
[12:19] <bobweaver> I will amke video of my question
[12:20] <tumbleweed> I suggest looking at other packages so you can see how things are usually done
[12:34] <Daviey> Laney / ScottK: I know of a couple, yes.. wassup?
[12:36] <ScottK> Daviey: There's some unfixed CVEs in our package and if you look at about the time we pinged you there's a proposed branch that needs review/testing.
[12:37] <Daviey> ScottK: I don't think i have cap city to tst it before release TBH.  I think it would be better targeted as a -security upload.. Sound fair?
[12:37] <Daviey> capacity*
[12:39] <ScottK> I see. Unfortunately the patches weren't security only.
[12:40] <Laney> jtaylor had a branch, but I'm not sure what it was for
[12:41] <ScottK> That's the one.
[12:42] <Laney> OK, it's to merge <IP_ADDRESS> from testing
[12:42] <bobweaver> My question  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZYgwJVmn2Y
[12:44] <Daviey> Laney / ScottK: Okay.. i can try and take it.. but i can't guarantee..   Currently travelling
[12:45] <Laney> Daviey: Our version is pretty old, but I don't know anything about asterisk to know if the new one is any better. The fact that it contains those security fixes makes me keen though.
[12:46] <Laney> I'd probably be inclined to sneak it in if someone that knows asterisk gives the nod
[12:48] <Daviey> Laney: Yeah.. generally, we don't tend to regress in merges.. So it feels reasonably safe.. but i'd like to sniff it first.
[12:48] <Laney> righto
[12:48] <bregma> bobweaver, like they said on debian-mentors, you want to be able to take you "upstream source", which is what you have in bzr, and be able to install that on an end-user's system in a configurable manner regardles of packaging
[12:49] <bregma> bobweaver, then the packaging uses that to install the software from a package
[12:49] <Daviey> upstream also has their own LTS versions aswell.. so i'd like to dig through versoning to make sure we aren't going from upstream LTS to interim releae.
[12:49] <bregma> bobweaver, the autotools may be overkill, read up on how to use a makefile
[12:53] <bobweaver> Thanks bregma  I will do that.thansk again for your time.
[13:00] <bregma> bobweaver, your goal will be to be able to type 'make install' from a copy of your bzr repo and have the files end up on your system in the right places -- then your debian/rules file will consist of two lines (%:\n\tdh $@) because dh knows how to run 'make install' with the right settings
[13:02] <bregma> plus, debian/rules is normally actually a makefile, so you learn two things at once
[13:02] <bobweaver> I guess I have to learn how to make a makefile.
[13:06] <spartan-11510> Hello. I need some help to package an application using gtkmm, i don't know how write my makefile (how rules) and my config.sh
[16:08] <pabelanger> Asked this in ubuntu server but no answer, anybody know which package creates the mini.iso for netboots?
[16:15] <ogra_> debian-installer together with debian-cd
[16:15] <ogra_> (teh first creates the kernel and initrd.img files, the latter merges them into the iso)
[17:04] <pabelanger> ogra_: great, thanks
[19:22] <Streamstormer> Hello, I want to build mysql-workbench 5.2.38+dfsg-3 from Debian with pbuilder
[19:22] <Streamstormer> but pbuilder fails horrible with unmet dependencies: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/932988/
[19:23] <Streamstormer> can somebody give me a hint what package the problem is?
[19:23] <tumbleweed> pbuilder has particularly unhelpful dependancy errors
[19:24] <Streamstormer> and what programm can i use t make the errors better? ;)
[19:24] <tumbleweed> sbuild :)
[19:24] <tumbleweed> tried logging into the pbuilder and installing them by hand?
[19:25] <Streamstormer> no
[19:25] <tumbleweed> I seem to remember someone (jtaylor?) saying pbuilder's alternative dependancy installer gave better errors
[19:25] <Streamstormer> I will first try sbuild
[20:44] <micahg> mr_pouit: gilir: I'm thinking to skip the blueman merge for the RC bug, as it just adds a dependency for gnome-icon-theme, WDYT?
[20:46] <micahg> mr_pouit: gilir: forgot to mention, that package is already seeded for both lubuntu and xubuntu
[21:11] <bobweaver> hello there how does one put a picture to there .deb fo like ubuntu software center. I am guessing that it is somewhere under the control file but I have googled it for the last 2 hr and gotten no-where thanks for your time
[21:12] <Zhenech> it uses screenshot.debian.net
[21:19] <JanC> which is somewhat unintuitive...   :P
[21:22] <Zhenech> send a patch?
[21:30] <bobweaver> Thanks Zhenech
[21:33] <bobweaver> why this stuff is not in the packaging guide is past me. also spent 5 hr last night trying to figure out why I could not use apt in my .deb. The 1st line of the documention might be good too say "if you do not have a reposotry then you can not use apt in your .deb because dpkg will get stuck in a loop. N00b mistake but 3 lines of documentation about common sence would be real nice
[21:35] <bobweaver> Instead of 5 hrs of reasearch and getting ridaculed byt debian-mentors *I guess they and every one else knew that sence birth *
[21:39] <bobweaver> I feel like forest gump when he gets on the bus and evryone is like cant sit here. more like on debian-mentors (which I thought was a good idea at 1st) Can LEARN here . Where is my jenny lol :>)
[23:00] <bobweaver> how do I get pass the difference between a makefile under rules and a make file that is called from rules? and how to get the upsource into the make file when end usr dont have upsource ? wget ?
[23:07] <Laney> bobweaver: I just read the interaction you're referring to from #debian-mentors and I don't see why you're so upset I'm afraid.  It was when guy/gir/whatever was like this has nothign to do with debian
[23:12] <Laney> He was telling you that there is a separation between the upstream build system and the Debian build system.
[23:13] <bobweaver> Oh anit I blue in the face.
[23:13] <Laney> and that you should get the upstream build system working properly first, because that will make your Debian packaging easier.
[23:13] <bobweaver> Oh I have that in a bassh file
[23:13] <bobweaver> like 3 of them
[23:13] <bobweaver> I do not know how to implant
[23:13] <Laney> "this is not directly related to Debian" means that you need an upstream build system anyway, even in the absence of any packaging :-)
[23:14]  * Laney is going to bed, goodnight
[23:14] <bobweaver> how to implant http://paste.ubuntu.com/933270/
[23:15] <bobweaver> into makefile ?
[23:21] <bobweaver> Like I  try to make that as postinst and works but not the way I want it to. I can install no troubles here is the thing lets zpanel works on over 8 OS bsd *nix windows and mac I have made instalation but we have no repo so If I make deb then I can put up and we can update are code. like take centos when made zpanel 6 it was 5.4 centos or something like that. 4 weeks later install script not working because it is now 6.0 time frame is wron
[23:21] <bobweaver> g up. So there is a debate is we are even going to keep it around for *nix as the head dev went public saying that we will no longer offer installerscript and that the community has to provide. So I thought that I was on the right path I just do not know how to implat my bash files into the debian package
[23:37] <jtaylor> anyone working on getting the gajim fixes?those look quite severe
[23:37] <jtaylor> dsa 2453-1
[23:55] <cjwatson> pabelanger: for the record the mini.iso (as opposed to full ISO images, which I think is what ogra_ was thinking of) is created exclusively by debian-installer; debian-cd isn't involved there
[23:57] <cjwatson> bobweaver: I doubt that you can transplant your bash script directly into a Makefile.  You need to trim it down massively, and consider which parts of it need to be run to build the tree of files that go into a package and which parts (if any; many packages have no parts like this) need to be run on the user's system when they install your package
[23:58] <cjwatson> Once you've firmly separated those two concepts, it will probably be easier
[23:58] <cjwatson> I expect much of your script can be replaced by simple dependencie
[23:58] <cjwatson> *dependencies
[23:59] <bobweaver> Thnks cjwatson get rid of the dialog boxs and all the functions and bashrc ect then make sure that the control file has all depends and put timed bash into posstinst ??


[21:52] <TeLLuS_> Upgraded from Zesty to Artful, 4.10.0-42-generic #46-Ubuntu to 4.13.0-21  Got regression that tg3 network driver stopped working in Dell PE sc1435 server.  ETDEV WATCHDOG: enp1s0 (tg3): transmit queue 0 timed out, Host status block, NAPI info. Installed 4.13.16, 4.13.17, 4.13.19 Got same timeout as in .21.     Installed kernel 4.14.0-13 from upcomming Bionic, now it is working again..
[22:02] <bjf> TeLLuS_, pleas file a bug and them come back here and tell me what the bug number is ... thanks
[22:38] <TeLLuS_> bjf: No way, I will not go down that path again.  I'm told that it is not how launchpad works, it will be set to invalid since it is fixed unpublished version and it will then be hidden from the launchpad search. Even when I'm told it is not.  Things like that hurt my feelings and I will not work on things that gets thrown away or hidden the next second.
[22:50] <bjf> TeLLuS_, what do you mean it is "fixed unpublished version"
[22:51] <bjf> TeLLuS_, i'm not sure why you have the impression that you do. if you file the bug i will make sure someone looks at it
[22:52] <bjf> TeLLuS_, and it ill not be marked invalid. it *may* be marked as a duplicate if there is a duplicate
[23:20] <TeLLuS_> bjf: Bug is already fixed in an unpublished new version. It can be handeled diffrently by xorg developers I guess.  But I'm told in #1640456 "Here on Launchpad, that's not how it works."   I don't need anyone to look at it since I have already found the issue and the fixed next version of it.  From what I can find there is similar bugs for tg3 (Broadcom) but not the same, mostly old ones and not for only the Artful version.
[23:46] <bjf> TeLLuS_, from my perspective the response you got back in comment #6 was not helpful
[23:54] <bjf> TeLLuS_, i have little say in how xorg bugs are handled. however, if you file the tg3 network bug against the 'linux' project things will go differently i believe
[23:55] <bjf> TeLLuS_, but if you don't want to file the bug then i'll leave you alone


[12:51] <tjaalton> huh, is qxl not the default gfx device on new kvm guests?
[16:29] <hallyn> hi - the last few days, my laptop tends to lock up so that all that works is the sysrq- keys.  (and sshing in, but i didn't hae the needed keys elsewhere. sigh)
[16:29] <hallyn> syslog shows: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7011147/
[16:29] <hallyn> does that mean anything to anyone?
[16:34] <tjaalton> mlankhorst: ^ :)
[18:22] <mlankhorst> hallyn: a little, but need to know more context and a way to reproduce it
[18:24] <hallyn> mlankhorst - heh, it's very random, and completely locks up so i can't evenn get to console.
[18:24] <hallyn> next time is hould be able to ssh in remotely and look around, maybe gdb the task
[18:25] <hallyn> (and then open a bug)
[18:37] <mlankhorst> hallyn: up to date system?
[18:37] <hallyn> yes
[18:38] <hallyn> And I'm not really doing anything when it happens, usually
[18:38] <hallyn> i.e. not playing videos or anything
[18:59] <mlankhorst> seems weird