[00:00] <IdleOne> grandma and phrea need to go
[00:04] <Flannel> IdleOne: Instead of just mentioning it here, a better first-step is to try and steer the conversation/participants back on track
[00:04] <IdleOne> Flannel: with Phrea the first step has come and gone.
[00:07] <Flannel> Obviously he doesn't understand something.
[00:07] <Flannel> Howdy Phrea
[00:07] <Phrea> ...I was trying to explain something...
[00:08] <Phrea> keep it real plz
[00:08] <Flannel> Phrea: I know.  This has nothing to do with what you said, but instead, I think you have some misunderstandings or misconceptions that I'd like to clear up.
[00:08] <Phrea> ...with a kban?
[00:08] <Phrea> I don't see how
[00:08] <Phrea> but I won't misbehave anymore
[00:08] <Flannel> Phrea: No, a forward to here, so that we can discuss things.
[00:09] <Phrea> o wait, I now see
[00:09] <IdleOne> Phrea: not the first time we see you say you won't misbehave
[00:09] <Flannel> Phrea: Since judging by your past few comments, it seems like you think this is a game: "See how much I can get away with, get kicked, try to see how much I can get away with next time"
[00:09] <Phrea> ok, discuss then
[00:09] <Phrea> I was just having some fun
[00:09] <Phrea> no bad intentions, just fun
[00:10] <Flannel> Phrea: There's nothing fun with being a disruption to the channel
[00:10] <Phrea> this is the 3rd time I've been banned, in 15 years :o
[00:10] <Phrea> Flannel: I did nothing really wrong, did I
[00:10] <Phrea> I was just joking, being offtopic
[00:10] <Flannel> Phrea: This is at least the third time I've spoken with you in the past few months.
[00:10] <Phrea> well, I am sorry, if it helps
[00:11] <Phrea> Flannel: actually, no
[00:11] <Phrea> this is the first time, in this context
[00:11] <Phrea> :)
[00:11] <Phrea> you must confuse me with somebody else
[00:11] <Flannel> Phrea: Which context is that?
[00:11] <Phrea> maybe refer to your logs
[00:11] <Phrea> to see if you took me apart like this, and talk to me
[00:12] <Phrea> I'll go get me a drink, it's hot ! :)
[00:13] <IdleOne> Phrea: every time you use language that you know is not acceptable we have to warn you about it, disrupting the channel. Your "occasional" use of bad language is to say the least annoying. In my opinion you should be banned from the channel. We have been more then patient with you.
[00:13] <Phrea> oh c'mon...
[00:14] <Phrea> well, you can ban me if you want tho
[00:14] <Phrea> I have no say in it
[00:14] <IdleOne> You actually have all the say.
[00:14] <IdleOne> With your actions
[00:14] <Phrea> but I'd like to see some logs maybe...
[00:14] <Phrea> because I onnly remember one warning
[00:14] <Phrea> when I used "stfu"
[00:15] <Phrea> and I admit that was wrong
[00:15] <Phrea> but, no other warnings come to mind
[00:16] <Phrea> this'll be my third ban
[00:16] <Flannel> Phrea: You've done many things that we've had to ask you to stop, and every time we ask you, it becomes an argument.  This isn't just about language, it's about your behavior in general.
[00:16] <Phrea> when and how?
[00:16] <Phrea> I seem to be nice in general, if a bit flukey
[00:16] <Flannel> Phrea: How about the now-playing song thing?
[00:16] <IdleOne> this is not the first time you have been warned about bad language, your attitude towards the ops in -ot is disrespectful. You seem to think it is ok to skirt the rules. Like flannel said up there you appear to be testing the limits.
[00:17] <Phrea> IdleOne: to be honest, I don't know about about being disrespectful to ops, since ops aren't visible on that channel, and I have no idea who the ops are.
[00:17] <IdleOne> Phrea: exactly. So respect the rules.
[00:17] <Phrea> I do
[00:18] <IdleOne> it really isn't complicated, don't be a jerk.
[00:18] <Phrea> sometimes I go a bit wide, but I'm NEVER disrespectful
[00:18] <Phrea> ever
[00:18] <Phrea> I try not to be
[00:18] <Flannel> Phrea: Stop going "a bit wide"
[00:18] <IdleOne> not following the rules is disrespectful to all the users in that channel who do follow them, op or not
[00:18] <Phrea> man, I feel like a kindergarten kid being slapped on the hand..
[00:19] <Phrea> I've been adminning, opering, opping, etc.,..
[00:19] <Flannel> Phrea: You keep saying that, it's not relevant.
[00:20] <Phrea> I think it does, it says something about my experience over the years
[00:21] <Phrea> I now understand that the banhammer is as heavy on irc as it is on the forums
[00:21] <Phrea> I thought it was a bit more loose on irc
[00:21] <Phrea> apperantly not, and I will respect that
[00:21] <Phrea> nou, open my cage and let me go please
[00:22] <Flannel> Phrea: See, now, I was all ready to remove the forward because I felt like we were on the same page, and then you go and say that.
[00:23] <Phrea> about the cage?
[00:23] <Phrea> :o
[00:23] <Phrea> that was a figure of speech...
[00:23] <Phrea> not to be taken seriously...
[00:24] <IdleOne> Phrea: unfortunately you have a history of sarcastic comments and I see where Flannel is comming from
[00:24] <Flannel> Phrea: I've removed your forward, you're free to rejoin #ubuntu-offtopic.  Please remember that having some 'fun' by being a nuisance isn't welcome
[00:24] <IdleOne> coming*
[00:24] <Phrea> how could I mean that cage literally?
[00:26] <Phrea> well, thanks for setting me straight, I will behave from now on
[00:43] <jacekowski> morning
[00:44] <jacekowski> i just got banned on #ubuntu-uk
[00:44] <Flannel> Howdy jacekowski
[00:44] <IdleOne> morning jacekowski
[00:44] <Flannel> jacekowski: The counterpart to this channel for LoCo teams is #ubuntu-irc
[00:45] <jacekowski> ok
[02:39] <Gary>  /join #Ubuntu-irc
[02:40] <Gary> oops, maybe I should be in there :-)
[03:16] <IdleOne> Could we add a link in #u topic for the Ubuntu User Days sessions in -classroom http://is.gd/8rtIi ?
[03:17] <IdleOne> still 6 days left and would be awesome to get more users in there
[03:19] <Flannel> Sounds good, but what's the real wikipage?
[03:19] <IdleOne> I'll get it
[03:19] <Flannel> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays
[03:19] <Flannel> that one?
[03:20] <IdleOne> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays
[03:20] <IdleOne> that's the one
[03:20] <IdleOne> thanks Flannel
[03:20] <Flannel> There's still six days left?
[03:20] <IdleOne> I could of done it but didn't want to over step
[03:21] <IdleOne> I might be wrong about that
[03:21] <Flannel> IdleOne: Could *have* not could of :)
[03:21] <Flannel> and yeah, please check, since that wikipage says its one day only
[03:21] <IdleOne> Flannel: 1 day left actually
[03:21] <IdleOne> I was looking at the calendar and assumed
[03:22] <IdleOne> but still
[03:22] <Flannel> IdleOne: Interesting.  According to that schedule, the last session is going on right now.
[03:22] <IdleOne> err
[03:22] <IdleOne> wow yeah
[03:22] <IdleOne> never mind me then
[03:23] <Flannel> Next week is Developer Week, I believe.
[03:23] <IdleOne> well a link for that would be good too
[03:23] <IdleOne> yeah I mixed user days with dev week
[03:23] <IdleOne> sorry
[03:24] <Flannel> I'm not so sure that a link to developer week would be good in #u, but next time a user days comes around, ping me about it the day beforehand or whatnot :)
[03:24] <Flannel> Since that'd be great to advertise in #u
[03:24] <IdleOne> will do. thanks for double checking me :)
[03:27] <Flannel> IdleOne: or anyone else, or just add it yourself
[03:36] <IdleOne> Flannel: I could of done that but aren't you glad I asked first :)
[03:36] <IdleOne> I know I am
[05:38] <Jordan_U> wildbat in #ubuntu seems to have a cat on his keyboard.
[06:00] <bazhang> need a +m in -ot
[06:02] <IdleOne> why?
[06:17] <mneptok> are there no -ot ops active in the channel?
[06:17] <bazhang> not presently. the insanity has passed though mneptok
[06:19] <mneptok> i try like Hell to avoid dealing with that channel, but ping me here if it needs my attention.
[06:19] <bazhang> okay thanks
[06:22] <IdleOne> i didn't see the hooker part :/
[06:23] <IdleOne> new word to add to highlight list I suppose
[06:23] <bazhang> that was the last bit really
[06:25] <IdleOne> the bet thing is what started it huh
[06:25] <IdleOne> sorry if it did
[06:39] <IdleOne> bazhang: the bot and the user who somehow magically new the bot responded to !abuse joined at the same time
[06:39] <IdleOne> knew*
[06:39] <IdleOne> 15 second interval
[06:39] <bazhang> IdleOne, yep. and the bot quit as soon as we were on to it. not removed afaict
[06:40] <IdleOne> well he seems like a possible troll
[06:40] <IdleOne> will probably work his way to a ban soon enough
[06:40] <bazhang> possible troll is a pretty low bar in that channel
[06:41] <IdleOne> heh
[06:41] <IdleOne> you really have hate for that channel
[06:41] <mneptok> it's well deserved
[06:41] <bazhang> not really. just gets annoying after awhile
[06:41] <IdleOne> agreed
[06:42] <bazhang> it's not like everyone in there is pre-teen or something
[06:42] <IdleOne> then again I am part of the annoyances
[06:42] <IdleOne> sometimes
[06:42] <maco> someone in there told me once "if i was an op in there, i'd ban me"
[06:42] <bazhang> maco, ha
[06:42] <bazhang> IdleOne, not that I can see.
[06:43] <bazhang> trying to get them to 'play nice' is like herding cats
[06:43] <IdleOne> bazhang: thanks. I try not to be.
[06:43] <IdleOne> haha herding cats, you have to be insane to try that...wait.
[06:44] <maco> i suspect if IdleOne, rww, and i all had ops in there, 1/3 - 1/2 of the channel regulars would go away
[06:44] <IdleOne> the first day
[06:44] <maco> pretty much
[06:44] <IdleOne> and I'll hack chanserv so the bans can never be removed
[06:44] <IdleOne> :)
[06:46] <IdleOne> First time I ever got ops was on EFnet in a channel that I had been a regular in for a year or so. That day 20 or so people got banned. with my first op
[06:46] <bazhang> the first millisecond
[06:46] <IdleOne> not that fast but people freaked out
[06:47] <IdleOne> they calmed down and the channel started to grow.
[06:47] <IdleOne> I am not suggesting we clean out -ot but I really do believe there is a serious click mentality in there
[06:47] <IdleOne> clique*
[06:47] <maco> clique
[06:48] <IdleOne> yeah yeah I knew you were coming with that :)
[06:54] <maco> is pr0nguy an ok nick for #ubuntu ?
[06:54] <bazhang> questionable, but clearly offtopic question
[06:56] <IdleOne> we tolerate fcuk
[06:56] <IdleOne> sort of
[06:56] <IdleOne> but never saw that nick say a word
[06:56] <maco> isnt fcuk the name of a clothing store?
[06:56] <IdleOne> could be
[06:56] <bazhang> yep
[06:56] <mneptok> yes, and the NEC Docomo Pro-N is a handheld computer.
[06:57] <maco> yes it is
[06:57] <maco> French Connection UK
[06:57] <bazhang> hehe
[06:57] <maco> i wonder if whoever named that is aware those are two different countries
[06:58] <mneptok> well, if they were one country, the "Connection" bit wouldn't have to be specified.
[06:58] <maco> maybe theyre canadian
[06:58] <bazhang> should #ubuntu-locoteams where we refer s4ry to?
[06:58] <bazhang> err be
[07:00] <IdleOne> sounds right
[07:01] <IdleOne> maybe #ubuntu-irc but -locoteams should be able to help him
[07:26] <Avasz> why am i being forwarded to this channel?
[07:26] <Avasz> banned? eh.. who and why?
[07:28] <mneptok> Avasz: it's because of your /quit message
[07:28] <Avasz>  /quit message? letme check.
[07:29] <Avasz> oh... i had put that some times ago... had forgotten about that..
[07:31] <mneptok> destroying others' machines is most certainly against the Code Of Conduct
[07:33] <Avasz> ok..have changed it.
[08:15] <jussi> !badident
[08:16] <jussi> !badident =~ s/alot/a lot/
[08:16] <jussi> !badident
[08:16] <jussi> !badident > rww
[08:26] <mneptok> !badident =~ s/objectional/objectionable/
[08:26] <mneptok> !badident
[08:27] <mneptok> bah
[08:27] <mneptok> !badident =~ s/objectional/objectionable/
[08:27]  * mneptok cattle prods ubottu
[08:28] <Flannel> !badident
[08:29] <Flannel> She got it, but won't say anything if it's a repeat command (will still do it though)
[08:29]  * jussi activates a return zap to mneptok
[08:29] <mneptok> jussi: just for that, *you* can take over op duties in -offtopic
[08:29] <jussi> mneptok: nou
[08:29] <jussi> :P
[08:31] <mneptok> that channel is a land of wind and ghosts
[09:13] <knome> land of... *wind* ?
[09:16] <elky> Hot air.
[09:16] <elky> Lots of it.
[09:16] <knome> eww... smelly as well?
[09:16] <elky> Escaping from various orifices.
[10:25] <elky> vacation calendar? what the zombie jeep bus heck?
[10:26] <elky> This team has gone to the spit buckets, for real.
[10:27] <knome> ? :P
[10:28] <elky> The IRCC has decided they can dictate to us when we're allowed to have spare time to volunteer.
[10:29] <elky> That's not how volunteering works. Never has been. Sure as water is wet never will be.
[10:30]  * jussi hugs elky. theres no dictating.
[10:30] <elky> Sure there is.
[10:30] <jussi> its a way for ops to write down when they are going to take a break, if at all.
[10:30] <elky> If you're calendaring it, it's nothing but.
[10:31] <jussi> elky: _we_ are writing it down, the ops are. we are just providing a medium.
[10:31] <Mamarok> jussi: I certainly can't predict when I am around, my schedule is very irregular
[10:31] <elky> If you're documenting it, you're going to use it to hold over people you disagree with, stating they haven't taken their holiday time and what are they going to do about it. And no, they cant take it in a payout.
[10:31] <elky> Don't freaking document my life for me.
[10:31]  * Mamarok is not convinced that this would really help
[10:32] <Mamarok> I am around when I am around, but impossible to tell when most of the time
[10:32] <elky> I'm convinced it's going to stop me wanting to be anywhere near this team. It's bad enough that I get harrassed about *gasp* having private channels that are not ubuntu related.
[10:32] <elky> I suppose in this vacation time I'm supposed to sit in a bare room with no forms of stimulation?
[10:32] <jussi> elky: do you ever take a holiday?  go to bali or something?
[10:33] <topyli> Mamarok: that's okay, but if someone is going away for a long time, isn't it nice to know there'll be a gap in the ops team in a certain timezone that we should be aware of?
[10:33] <elky> jussi, I think we're in different socioeconomic classes if you're even asking that question.
[10:33] <Mamarok> topyli: so actually you want an away log?
[10:33] <jussi> elky: fine, go to the blue mountains or so?
[10:34] <Mamarok> we have always done so until now AFAICT, when somebody is away for a longer periond he/she tells here, usually
[10:34] <jussi> mneptok: and this is a simple way of getting that out of irc and somewhere referenceable
[10:34] <jussi> Mamarok: ^^
[10:34] <elky> jussi, well considering i've just had to change jobs and have no holiday accrued, and was not able to take holiday at previous job because there was nobody to cover for me. No.
[10:34] <Mamarok> jussi: going to Bali is not less expensive when in the South Pacific
[10:35] <jussi> oh stop finding stupid little things, the point was do you ever go away from your home.
[10:35] <topyli> Mamarok: so it's my job to keep up with people's comings and goings? why can't they help me?
[10:35] <elky> topyli, a calendar is taking it way too far. It's micromanaging people's spare time. That is *scary*
[10:36] <elky> Especially when it gets teamed with "Decided to amend the Operator Guidelines to encourage operators to take sufficient time off regularly."
[10:36] <Mamarok> topyli: hm, having an away log  is OK, but asking us to schedule long in advance is pretty much impossible to handle
[10:36] <topyli> looks like you won't be using it. can i still create it?
[10:36] <Mamarok> I usually can only tell from one week to another
[10:38] <topyli> Mamarok: nobody's interested if you're out for a night or a weekend, it's for extended absenses from the team
[10:39] <Mamarok> topyli: tell that to my body, usually you don't predict your next cancer
[10:39] <elky> So they know when to bully you to take time off.
[10:39] <elky> Sorry, did I say bully? I totally meant "encourage".
[10:39] <jussi> The people who come in here can get pretty taxing at times. its a good idea to say see ya, Im just going to hang out and not worry about ops calls and dealing with troublemakers - for a time.
[10:39] <Mamarok> topyli: also my work schedule is that of a freelancer, so I can't schedul my holidays
[10:39] <elky> Stop trying to run this like a corporate junket and I'll start being interested again.
[10:42] <topyli> ok elky, since you're superhuman and obviously calm at all times, you're probably an exception. i know i get tired sometimes
[10:42] <elky> topyli, i'm not saying i'm superhuman and calm at all times. I'm saying that I don't want to be documented and coerced when it happens.
[10:43] <Mamarok> topyli: well, I don't get it, having us entering scheduls of presence would then be sued to tell us when we are around too long and send us off to get a break? That sounds strange
[10:43] <elky> And that's exactly the framework you're setting down right now. And that *scares* me
[10:43] <Mamarok> one can see in the behavior if somebody needs a break, and not everybody has the same tolerance
[10:43] <topyli> of course
[10:43] <Mamarok> some can cope for years, others only a few months
[10:43] <jussi> elky: we already have people come in here and "write down" that they are going away. is there an issue with transferring that to a calendar format?
[10:44] <Mamarok> so if tat schedule is used to tell us when to get a break I don't sign, sorry
[10:44] <Mamarok> I know myself when I need a break so far
[10:44] <Mamarok> and the day I don't get aware you can still tell me, no? No need for a schedule for that
[10:45] <jussi> the writing down is up to the op. we are just documenting when people are away
[10:45] <elky> jussi, yes, because this community has got to the creepy point of demanding reports and scheduling people's lives for them. It's not an atmosphere I am comfortable in.
[10:45] <Mamarok> if it is an away log to know if there are enough ops around it's OK, but not if it is to monitor our time schedule, that is none of your business
[10:45] <topyli> Mamarok: you're encouraged to take a break exactly when you feel you need it, and not stay on while tired. nobody's going to tell you when you're supposed to
[10:45] <Mamarok> there is already enough surveilliance in my life
[10:46] <topyli> perhaps if someone clearly sees you need a break, is it a good thing or a bad thing if they tell you what they think?
[10:47] <Mamarok> topyli: no, but that has nothing to do with my time spent online, my tolerance varies, so a schedule monitoring my volunteer time is by no means a way to tell if Ineed a break
[10:47] <elky> topyli, what stresses me out more than trolls is having to deal with this kind of crap from the IRCC.
[10:47] <elky> The IRCC and CC have caused me way more stress than any petty troll has.
[10:48] <Mamarok> topyli: it is OK to tell an op to calm down and maybe consider a break when it's obvious from the behavior, but it can't be schedueld, as the tolerance varies
[10:49] <elky> Mamarok, what I'm scared of is them going "hmm, you're worked up, and i can see by this calendar you haven't taken a break since $blah. I think you should just not come in on monday"
[10:49] <Mamarok> trying to schedule and control everything is not the way to go, you are adding more and more bureaucraty an end up loosing the real focus
[10:49] <jussi> I think you guys are missing the point. this isnt about "scheduling", its about communicating. "Im taking a break for the next 2 weeks". so then we can deal with it, por perhaps have more people about etc.
[10:49] <topyli> Mamarok: it's not the way to go, and it's not the way this is going
[10:50] <Mamarok> so if they want me to wirk as an op liek in a company, then hire me :)
[10:51] <Mamarok> topyli: well, in the last few months that is the impression I get, everything is getting monitored in the Ubuntu community, LoCo Teams efficiency are measured by the amount of reports they send in, now we have to schedule our presence in IRC, it is getting really scary
[10:51] <topyli> you're ranting about a non-existing policy, so there really is nothing i can say
[10:51] <Mamarok> if you want a corporate organisation, hire the people and then you can tell them their work schedule, but we are colunteers
[10:51] <Mamarok> s/c/v/
[10:52] <elky> topyli, no, i'm ranting at the words you've sent to a mailing list. That mail very much exists.
[10:52] <Mamarok> topyli: it starts with scheduling, evaluating, documenting every step, how is that not scary?
[10:52] <jussi> Mamarok: no! you dont have to schedule your presence in IRC. we are just asking that you tell us when you are taking a break from op duities, not irc presence.
[10:52] <elky> jussi, so you can "encourage" us when we don't. That's what's scary
[10:53] <Mamarok> jussi: that's OK, but as I said, I will tell you a week before, that is pretty much enough, it works that way in KDE quite well, so it should also be entirely sufficient for you folks
[10:53] <jussi> this isnt about "Im getting off irc" its about "im taking a break from dealing with trolls and irc issues"
[10:53] <topyli> elky: you're ranting because somebody wants to micromanage you and put in a surveillance system. however, nobody has suggested anything like that
[10:53] <elky> topyli, your mail suggests it.
[10:53] <jussi> Mamarok: which is fine. we just want to know when youll be gone!
[10:54] <Mamarok> jussi: haven't I alwasy told you so far?
[10:54] <Mamarok> always
[10:54]  * Mamarok has a bad typing day
[10:54] <jussi> Mamarok: so all we are doing is putting that to a calendar...
[10:54] <topyli> elky: please reply to it on the ML, so we can eventually word it so that you're happy
[10:55] <Mamarok> jussi: well, that's what is the scary part, having to write down in a public place when an op is taking a break is documenting again other peoples schedule. and it ends up in surveilliance and monitoring, trust me, I have seen that happen over and over
[10:56] <jussi> Mamarok: but you already write it down in a public place...
[10:56] <Mamarok> yep, and that is enought, no need to add another place to that
[10:56] <Mamarok> the channel log is enough
[10:56] <topyli> Mamarok: i think we'll rather have a shared calendar that the ops team has access to, not public to the internet facebook-style
[10:56] <elky> jussi, at least it's obscured a bit by the rest of the cruft in the logs
[10:56] <jussi> Im out. got other things to do right now. lateers
[10:59] <Mamarok> what I don't get: it is obvious who is available by the presence/away/absence of the ops here or in the other channels, why is that not enough?
[10:59] <bazhang> I'd suggest that the point of concern is more the 'you need a break' from others. documenting when someone will be away, while not personally my own concern, is certainly a valid issue. I would also suggest that people are mature enough to know when they need a break. the mailing list item perhaps could be better worded, but my own reaction was to the logs of the meeting itself
[11:00] <Mamarok> bazhang: I don't see why we need to add our schedul in a calendar anyway, if I am not around I am either offline or /away
[11:00] <bazhang> that is entirely my own view, and I in no way wish to downplay the valid concerns of others.
[11:00] <bazhang> Mamarok, I certainly respect that concern.
[11:01] <bazhang> just saying what I thought was less than well thought out (ie the 'time out for you') aspect of it.
[11:01] <Mamarok> I know myself when to take a break, and if not I hope my op colleagues are kind enough to tell me, the calendar is really an organisational tool that has no other purpose than monitoring people's presence
[11:01] <Mamarok> and I don't want to be monitored even more than I already am
[11:02] <bazhang> Mamarok, I can see how you would feel that way, with the intrusion of facebook etc
[11:03] <Mamarok> bazhang: well, the main point is also that I don't see the necessity to do so, I can live with a shcdule when being a hired employee or paid freelancer, but I do this in my spare time, so that doesn't have to be in yet another schedule
[11:03] <Mamarok> my life doesn't have to be documented for every second, seriously
[11:04] <nalioth> i don't see any reason for it, either.  we're volunteers - not employees.
[11:04] <bazhang> Mamarok, I understand that point completely; while I don't personally share it, I can see your concern quite legitimately
[11:05] <Mamarok> nalioth: exactly my point, it's turning into corporate bureaucracy
[11:06] <Mamarok> the tendency to monitor everything the colunteers do in Ubuntu is getting really scary
[11:06] <nalioth> i agree, Mamarok
[11:07] <bazhang> hehe corporate volunteers colunteers
[11:07] <topyli> there won't be any schedule, no neet to protest against one :)
[11:07] <topyli> need even
[11:07] <Mamarok> evaluation volunteer work on a corporate level, what they do with the LoCo Teams is already becoming absurd, they should be glad they actually have loco teams, no need to monitor every one of our steps
[11:07] <bazhang> not protesting topyli just voicing views
[11:08] <bazhang> protest would indicate some kind of power structure, which does not exist in a volunteer environment
[11:08] <topyli> :)
[11:09]  * Mamarok is quite angry about what happens currently with loco teams because some teams don't send monthly reports.
[11:09] <Mamarok> I never sent a monthly report because I simply don't have time to do so, if they want to know what our team does, red the wiki and mailing list
[11:10] <guntbert> Hi, several hours ago I suggested a small change to the floodbots' message in #ubuntu-proxy-users - did anyone see that?
[11:10] <Mamarok> but evaluating teams by the amount of reports is corporate absurdity at it's best
[11:11] <guntbert> Mamarok: agreed (although none of my business :-))
[11:11] <Mamarok> guntbert: :)
 the sentences "Try again joining #ubuntu, you've been granted...." could be made easier to follow: "Try again joining #ubuntu (type /join #ubuntu) , you've been granted...."
[11:11] <nalioth> volunteers  :)
[11:12] <guntbert> bazhang: yes, that -- any questions about it?
[11:12] <bazhang> guntbert, could you !no xyz is <reply> blah blah
[11:13] <guntbert> bazhang: that not a factoid - its he introductory message of Floodbotx in #ubuntu-proxy-users
[11:14] <bazhang> guntbert, ah my brain is not awake yet , apologies
[11:14] <guntbert> (I seem to type quite badly :-))
[11:14] <nalioth> toodles  :)
[11:14] <guntbert> bazhang: nvm, I was just typing it in, when I thought about using a PM with ubottu ...
[11:15] <bazhang> guntbert, I'll ask LjL about it, as he is the fb master
[11:16] <guntbert> bazhang: please do - I stumbled about it yesterday with the peter... person in #ubuntu and found that there is really no way for an irc newbie to know what to do
[11:17] <bazhang> guntbert, petertattoo/petertat?
[11:17] <guntbert> have a nice day :-)
[11:17] <guntbert> bazhang: exactly - although he turned out to be more trollish than genuine - there he had a valid point
[11:18] <bazhang> thanks guntbert :)
[11:18] <guntbert> bazhang: :)
[12:58] <ikonia> phew, internet connection back
[13:00] <jpds> You need bonded ADSL.
[13:10] <ikonia> ha
[13:10] <ikonia> it wouldn't have made a difference, half the southwest (more) lost internet
[13:11] <ikonia> physical line provider for that corner of the uk had an ouage
[13:11] <ikonia> outage
[13:20] <Mamarok> oh my, sounds like a medium desaster, how come?
[13:20] <ikonia> waiting for updates
[13:20] <ikonia> fixed though, so all good
[13:24] <jpds> That's still pretty bad.
[13:24] <ikonia> yes
[13:43] <knome> network outage sounds like an interval death
[13:56] <elky> Sounds like it's been a bad week for networks globally.
[13:56] <elky> 3rd I've heard of in the past week.
[16:45] <robinetd> I'm being harrassed in #ubuntu-offtopic. Thought you ought to know.
[16:48] <IdleOne> robinetd: I asked you to stop, so that I could then ask dms to stop
[16:48] <IdleOne> but everybody and there mother has to jump in.
[16:48] <robinetd> IdleOne: And then you engaged in a personal attack upon me, doing the same thing you told dms to not do.
[16:48] <robinetd> And by same, I mean exactly the same.    It's uncalled for and shouldn't be happening.
[16:53] <IdleOne> fine
[16:53] <IdleOne> I apologize
[16:53] <IdleOne> I should not have insulted you
[16:54] <IdleOne> I promise it won't happen again as I will not be going into -ot anymore
[16:59] <IdleOne> anything else the ops team can help you with?
[17:01] <IdleOne> if not please part the channel, there is a no idling rule here
[17:17] <LjL> i was pondering whether to comment on what happened, and i decided that at this time, i won't
[17:18] <LjL> i will say something, though, which is not to be taken as threatening but simply being honest about the way i'm going to behave in the future
[17:18] <LjL> i am not going to ignore things i don't like from the ops, and i'm not going to discuss them privately. i'll actually be as public as possible
[17:19] <LjL> because i believe that the ops team has become a little too close to public scrutiny. perhaps you may think it's because you've had too much of it
[17:19] <IdleOne> LjL: fair enough
[17:19] <LjL> but in my opinion, you should always want *more* of it, not less.
[17:20] <IdleOne> LjL: I re-acted poorly to the situation, looking at logs I did not see funkyHat had already stepped in and I jumped on his toes.
[17:20] <IdleOne> to late
[17:31] <gord> dramaaaa
[17:31] <IdleOne> indeed but I have removed myself from the channel.
[17:32] <IdleOne> I won't be the cause or part of the drama there anymore
[17:32] <Tm_T> I don't find calling bad behaviour and reactions to it as "drama" very constructive
[17:33] <IdleOne> Tm_T: agreed. Whatever you want to call it I am not going to be part of it.
[17:34] <IdleOne> I handled the situation badly and let myself act as badly if not worse then the situation I was trying to stop
[17:34] <IdleOne> -ot is to much for me at this point I guess.
[17:35] <Tm_T> its very hard place to be, I agree
[17:35] <Tm_T> and what I'm about to say, isn't making it any easier, nor it should:
[17:35] <IdleOne> perhaps it's me who takes it to seriously
[17:36] <Tm_T> it won't ever be any better unless us, ops, show the good example (:
[17:37] <IdleOne> well I am not an op in there. I do like the channel because it can be a nice distraction from support and still be with people who are like minded.
[17:37] <Tm_T> I don't mean only ops of -ot, but all core ops
[17:38] <IdleOne> yes agreed, but if you don't have power to kick/ban them they don't care what we say
[17:38] <IdleOne> They don't remember the part in the CoC that says ALL members of the community need to follow and enforce the rules
[17:38] <Tm_T> I disagree, it's up to what you say, when you say and how you say, best thing to do is to show a good example instead of enforcing
[17:39] <IdleOne> least that is how I understand the CoC
[17:39] <IdleOne> well for me enforcing is not about being able to ban.
[17:39] <Tm_T> note: I cannot call myself a good example, so all this is pointed towards me too
[18:23] <Flannel> Sounds like it may be time to nuke it from orbit.
[18:24] <ikonia> only way to be sure
[18:24] <bazhang> hah beat me to it
[18:53] <IdleOne> I counsel you, my friends: Distrust all in whom the impulse to punish is powerful.  ~Friedrich Nietzsche~
[18:53] <IdleOne> That is something to think about indeed.
[19:17] <topyli> hey! nietzsche! leave them kids alone
[19:20] <topyli> (title of a study of the teen emo culture) :)
[21:48] <Flannel> Meh.
[21:49] <IdleOne> I'll 2nd that
[21:49] <ikonia> whats up
[21:49] <IdleOne> bobbrown bbrown
[21:50] <IdleOne> Flannel handled it
[21:53] <jpds> +b 2001:470::/32
[21:55] <IdleOne> yay Spain!
[22:11] <topyli> not a game to remember though
[22:13] <topyli> every contact a foul, every touch a free kick
[22:15] <Tm_T> topyli: every? (how ot)
[22:16] <topyli> all of them!
[22:38] <gord> that felt a little heavy handed really topyli... maybe a please would of gone down well
[22:50] <topyli> sorry, argreed. it's an issue i take issue with. should step outside
[22:52] <topyli> sometimes it would be better to not be an op so i could tear those statements to pieces
[22:58] <Tm_T> topyli: ...you would allow yourself behave badly if not an op?
[23:29] <ikonia> !info pysco
[23:31] <ikonia> !info psyco
[23:32] <jpds> !info python-psycopg2


[00:10] <linuxman410> wrst how are u
[00:16] <wrst> hmm linuxman is back to giving us a minute again
[00:27] <wrst> wb chris4585
[00:28] <chris4585> thanks
[00:28] <wrst> chris4585: hate you had troubles but I'm loving my arch install on my desktop with nvidia
[00:28] <Unit193> wrst: You're supposed to answer within 21 seconds, even you should know that!
[00:29] <wrst> Unit193: I will try to do better next time :P
[00:29] <Unit193> :D
[00:29]  * chris4585 hisses at nvidia
[00:30] <chris4585> I miss 7.10, I had almost no issues then
[00:37] <wrst> hey linuxman410
[00:37] <wrst> 8.04, and 10.04 were perfect for me also chris4585
[00:37] <linuxman410> wrst how are ya
[00:38] <chris4585> 10.04 was pretty good too I thought
[00:38] <chris4585> I'm using 10.10 right now
[00:38] <chris4585> I just wish video drivers and flash was way better
[00:39] <wrst> chris4585: you running 64 bit?
[00:39] <chris4585> nope
[00:39] <wrst> hmm
[00:39] <wrst> well flash sucks regardless
[00:42] <chris4585> yep
[00:42] <chris4585> but on windows its considerably better
[00:43] <linuxman410> wrst i have another netbook for sale
[00:43] <wrst> cool linuxman410
[00:43] <wrst> chris4585: i have to agree there
[00:44] <linuxman410> wrst it is a asus eee pc 900 with 8gb ssd running xubuntu
[00:44] <wrst> cool
[00:45] <chris4585> my friend just bought an eee for $140 used
[00:45] <chris4585> it works pretty good
[00:46] <linuxman410> chris4585 mine is 130 or best offer
[00:47] <chris4585> I'd like one but what am I gonna do with it?
[00:47] <wrst> cool linuxman410 wish i had some spare money :|
[05:49] <Unit193> Anyone know Lighthttpd here?
[05:57] <Unit193> Howdy Xpistos
[13:06] <Xpistos> morning all
[13:13] <wrst> morning Xpistos
[13:13] <Unit193> Already?
[13:13] <Xpistos> lol
[13:18] <wrst> ha Unit193
[13:18]  * wrst looks at the progress of the Raspberry Pi
[13:19] <Unit193> Didn't know it was that time of night...errr...  No. Lubtuntu, Yes
[13:54] <wrst> i may download the stock ubuntu and give it another go
[13:54] <Unit193> Stick it in VBox with RDP so we can connect ;)
[13:55] <wrst> ha Unit193 if i had all that running on my server I would actually do such :)
[13:57] <Xpistos> Hey is there a such thing as a rack that instead of sliding back and forth, servers kind of arch in to save space?
[13:57] <Xpistos> or am I just wishing?
[13:58] <Xpistos> so instead of being two feet+ deep it is about a foot+
[13:59] <Xpistos> I found a sweet server box that isin't much bigger than a netgear VPN router and is very nice on power
[15:53] <wrst> Xpistos: and by "found" that implies no cost, I like that :)
[15:54] <Xpistos> lol
[15:54] <wrst> :D
[15:55] <Xpistos> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811152108
[15:55] <Unit193> Awesome
[15:56] <wrst> wow so Xpistos does buy things :)
[15:56] <wrst> or the people you may or may not work for do
[15:56] <Xpistos> well will anyway
[16:49] <elijah-mbp> Xpistos, i thought about buying an Atom dualcore from supermicro a while back.  just never got around to it.  it'd make a dandy media server, with the right periphs and drives.  just throw a lotta storage at it, and it'd be a happy thing.
[16:50] <elijah-mbp> Unit193, re Lighty - I only use it in one place (to run a Zabbix server), it seems to be pretty good.  documentation is quite inferior to what you get with apache, but if you have a common use case... you can generally find someone else who's got a recipe for it.
[16:50] <Xpistos> elijah-mbp: well we are using them now as our gateway/email servers here at work and they are nice. Fast, quite, not a big power drain
[16:50] <elijah-mbp> Xpistos, cool.
[16:50] <Xpistos> we are using solid states in it two
[16:51] <Xpistos> 2.5 inch
[16:51] <Unit193> elijah-mbp: I'm already using it, I had a problem I had to work out that didn't make sense
[16:52] <Unit193> elijah-mbp: There is no way I would be running Apache on this one, cherokee maybe
[16:52] <elijah-mbp> need it to be really lightweight?
[16:52] <elijah-mbp> i loooove nginx when it's a good fit.
[16:53] <Unit193> Yes
[16:53] <Unit193> CPU~Single core Celeron (Mendocino) (-UP-) clocked at 498.429 Mhz Kernel~2.6.38-11-generic i686 Up~18 days Mem~215.6/495.1MB HDD~20.2GB(57.2% used) Procs~148 Client~Irssi 0.8.15 inxi~1.7.7
[16:53] <Unit193> Running Lubuntu too
[16:53] <wrst> elijah-mbp: long time no see how you doing?
[16:53] <Xpistos> Anyone know of a good replace ment for webmin?
[16:58] <elijah-mbp> wrst, pretty good, just been crazy busy lately.  we launched public cloud product 8 days ago - it has been nuts.
[16:58] <elijah-mbp> Xpistos, if you find one, i'd love to rip webmin out of all of our customer accounts.
[16:58] <wrst> cool elijah-mbp
[16:58] <wrst> Xpistos: afaik webmin is sorta the top dog
[16:59] <elijah-mbp> the baby will be six months in a few days - he's doing great.
[16:59] <elijah-mbp> last time i asked, the main complaint about webmin was that it's kinda hard to get the upstream to patch it.  even if you throw money at him (which we have...)
[17:02] <wrst> Xpistos: i have seen ebox (now Zentyal) have no clue how it is but I think it is (or used to be) in the debian/ubuntu repos
[18:32] <Xpistos> okay so I am going to install quassel on my ubuntu server. wrst how do I do it -core or -server?
[18:34] <wrst> quasselcore I think is the package Xpistos
[18:34] <wrst> or its quassel-core
[18:35] <wrst> Xpistos: just be sure not to install quassel or the client it puts a bunch of kde libraries on your server
[18:35] <wrst> ahh and the package is quassel-core the service is quasselcore
[18:36] <Xpistos> installing now
[18:36] <Xpistos> I am switching off pidgin cause I am "cleaning" my computer
[18:37] <Xpistos> I will install the client instead so I don't have a log here anymore
[18:37] <Xpistos> oh boy
[18:37] <Xpistos>  * Starting distributed IRC core quasselcore                             [fail]
[18:37] <Xpistos> invoke-rc.d: initscript quasselcore, action "start" failed.
[18:37] <Xpistos> dpkg: error processing quassel-core (--configure):
[18:37] <Xpistos>  subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[18:37] <Xpistos> Processing triggers for libc-bin ...
[18:37] <Xpistos> ldconfig deferred processing now taking place
[18:37] <Xpistos> Errors were encountered while processing:
[18:37] <Xpistos>  quassel-core
[18:37] <Xpistos> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[18:38] <wrst> Xpistos: what ubuntu are you running?
[18:38] <Xpistos> server 10.4.3
[18:40] <wrst> just for laughs Xpistos what does: sudo service quasselcore start  give you?
[18:40] <Xpistos> i just did an apt-get upgrade -y and it says qcore is running
[18:40] <Xpistos> so let me try the client setup and then we will see
[18:41] <wrst> ok yeah just need to be sure you get quassel-client not quassel
[18:42] <wrst> and when you connect to the core with the client you shoudl set the user all up auto magically Xpistos, I think
[18:42] <wrst> that's an older version in 10.04 so I can't remember for sure
[18:43] <Xpistos> looking for the client now
[18:43] <wrst> if you have it installed it shoudl be in Applications -> Internet
[18:44] <Xpistos> three minutes
[18:44] <Xpistos> windows client
[18:45] <wrst> ahh yes I use it here at work all the time Xpistos
[18:45] <Xpistos> I may switch
[18:45] <Xpistos> MAYBE
[18:45] <wrst> and since cyberanger has me using bitlbee I have all my IRC and IM's in one window all happily running on my server at home
[18:46] <wrst> Xpistos: if you want always on and a GUI its a good way to go
[18:46] <Xpistos> bitlbee?
[18:46] <wrst> the client isn't as good as xchat or irssi, weechat yet but you get the best of irssi/weechat and screen with a gui
[18:47] <wrst> bitlbee it is an irc server that connects to your IM accounts
[18:47] <Xpistos> maybe after I change jobs we will see
[18:47] <wrst> so right now I have irc, aim, gtalk, various IM's all in one quassel winder
[18:48] <wrst> and what I like is its all on my server at home
[18:48] <Xpistos> unzipping
[18:48] <Xpistos> can i make the windows black?
[18:48] <wrst> hmm in ubuntu you can do whatever you want i'm not for sure in windows
[18:49] <wrst> yeah looks like a lot of color options
[18:49] <Xpistos> is this quassel client installed or no? can I put ths on a flashdrive?
[18:49] <wrst> you can put it on a flash drive
[18:49] <wrst> just a lone exe
[18:49] <Xpistos> lol nice
[18:50] <Xpistos> so what do I add a network and use my home server now?
[18:50] <Xpistos> port 4242?
[18:50] <wrst> yes open up port 4242
[18:50] <wrst> then from within the client add a core
[18:50] <wrst> name it what ever
[18:50] <wrst> give it your home IP
[18:50] <wrst> and type a user name
[18:51] <wrst> then you should be taken to the setup page
[18:52] <Xpistos> a core? I don't see a reference to adding a core
[18:52] <Xpistos> network yes, but not a core
[18:52] <wrst> did you download the monolithic or the client?
[18:53] <Xpistos> monolithic
[18:53] <wrst> wrong download
[18:53] <wrst> you need client only
[18:53] <Xpistos> that is all I could find
[18:53] <Xpistos> let me double
[18:53] <wrst> Xpistos: http://quassel-irc.org/pub/quasselclient-0.7.3.zip
[18:53] <Xpistos> I wsee it now
[18:53] <Xpistos> oy vey
[18:54]  * wrst downloads the latest version
[18:55] <Xpistos> I killed my dropbox, tomboy, thunderbird and this is the last connect asside from my puttys ,but I need my puttys
[18:56] <wrst> Xpistos: wow the latest client has a lot of junk along with
[18:56] <Xpistos> oh yeah
[18:56] <Xpistos> fffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
[18:57] <wrst> did you get it Xpistos?
[18:57] <Xpistos> 5 secs
[18:58] <wrst> hurry up :P
[18:58] <Xpistos> extracting
[19:00] <cekimogloy> I guess that worked then
[19:00] <wrst> cekimogloy: yep
[19:00] <cekimogloy> Oh course I have to configure it
[19:00] <wrst> pretty easy don't you think?
[19:00] <cekimogloy> yep
[19:00] <cekimogloy> but I have to find my creds for xpistos
[19:01] <cekimogloy> so if I disconnect, will this account still be active on the server?
[19:01] <wrst> yes and I would head over to #freenode and get a cloak also
[19:01] <cekimogloy> ?
[19:01] <wrst> cekimogloy: as long as you just close the client it will stay connected
[19:01] <wrst> cekimogloy: that hides your IP address
[19:01] <cekimogloy> oh
[19:01] <wrst> hover over my username in the nick list then hover over yours
[19:02] <cekimogloy> I see
[19:02] <wrst> and cekimogloy you can also have multiple users on your core
[19:02] <cekimogloy> let me get out of here first and then get my xpistos account working here
[19:02] <cekimogloy> one second
[19:02] <cekimogloy> exit
[19:02] <wrst> all with their own seperate stuff and what not
[19:02] <wrst> :)
[19:06] <xpistos_> Well I am half way there
[19:07] <Xpistos> Better
[19:07] <wrst> Xpistos: there you go
[19:07] <Xpistos> Now if I can just fix the look of this
[19:07] <wrst> F7 will take you there
[19:08] <wrst> you can customize all the colors
[19:09] <wrst> Xpistos: enjoy always on irc'ing
[19:10] <wrst> well as long as your server is always on :)
[19:12] <Xpistos> now lets see if this is better
[19:12] <wrst> better than?
[19:13] <Xpistos> colors
[19:13] <wrst> oh :)
[19:16] <Xpistos> how do I save a channel?
[19:16] <wrst> save a channel?
[19:17] <wrst> so it is always in your list?
[19:17] <wrst> quassel auto does that, you can tell it to auto join through the options if you wish
[19:18] <wrst> and auto identify also
[19:19] <Xpistos> They are telling me I am not logged in?
[19:20] <Xpistos> at freenode
[19:20] <wrst> have you identified?
[19:20] <Xpistos> not sure I am a bit confused at the moment
[19:20] <Xpistos> pidgin did all that for me
[19:21] <wrst> you have to set that up or type: /msg nickserv identify password
[19:21] <Xpistos> nothing happened
[19:21] <wrst> there you go Xpistos
[19:21] <wrst> something happened
[19:22] <wrst> you are now cloaked
[19:22] <Xpistos> is that it?
[19:22] <Xpistos> I just needed to identify with nickserv?
[19:23] <wrst> yep
[19:23] <Xpistos> Will quassel not dothat for me?
[19:23] <wrst> you should always do that
[19:23] <wrst> yes it will Xpistos but it can't read your mind ;)
[19:23] <Xpistos> why
[19:24] <wrst> File -> Networks -> Configure Networks
[19:24] <wrst> auto identify and use the sasl that identifies you before you come in so your IP is totally hidden, thanks to pace_t_zulu for that tip
[19:24] <Xpistos> ok
[19:25] <Xpistos> I am assuming that account is my nick
[19:26] <wrst> you set it for the network: freenode
[19:26] <Xpistos> yes
[19:26] <wrst> it must have worked because it well worked :)
[19:26] <Xpistos> I am going to log out and double check
[19:27] <wrst> ok
[19:27] <Xpistos> So i guess it worked
[19:28] <wrst> Xpistos: you never logged out
[19:29] <xpistos> There we go
[19:29] <wrst> yep it worked
[19:31] <xpistos> so now, if I want to check the log where is it kept
[19:31] <wrst> xpistos: just scroll up :)
[19:32] <xpistos> I mean when I am not in the client
[19:32] <wrst> it comes in I think at 200 messges at a time
[19:32] <wrst> that's the only way by default its kept in an sqlite database
[19:32] <wrst> but when you log back into the core you just scroll up xpistos
[19:33] <xpistos> but what if I want to look at a conversation we had on august 20th for some reason?
[19:33] <wrst> I'm using postgresql
[19:34] <wrst> xpistos: you just scroll back to then, or you can use the search
[19:34] <xpistos> wait. you mean it is all here?
[19:35] <wrst> yep it pulls it in 200 lines at a time
[19:35] <wrst> or something you can set it in the settings
[19:35] <wrst> this ain't no irssi xpistos no log looking
[19:50] <Xpistos> am i all alone. did i break quassel?
[19:50] <Xpistos> ping
[19:50] <Xpistos> or ping *
[19:54] <wrst> nope :)
[19:55] <Xpistos> YEAH!
[20:30] <wrst> Xpistos: ?:
[20:30] <wrst> :)
[20:30] <wrst> you playing around?
[20:30] <Xpistos> yes
[20:30] <Xpistos> no, just turned off quessel
[20:30] <Xpistos> for now
[20:31] <wrst> what????
[20:31] <Xpistos> relax, monday i will be all quassel
[20:31] <Xpistos> old habits
[20:31] <wrst> ok that's better
[20:31] <Xpistos> lo
[20:31] <Xpistos> sorry pop
[20:31] <wrst> Xpistos: I get a kickback check from them so I want to keep the money rolling int :)
[20:31] <Xpistos> LOL
[20:31] <Xpistos> I don't doubt that
[20:32] <wrst> Xpistos: i mainly push it to irritate cyberanger, i'm cool that way :)
[20:33] <Unit193> Yep, he knows irssi is better ;)
[20:33] <wrst> ha
[20:33] <wrst> well Unit193 as a pure irc client it actually is much better
[20:35] <Unit193> Mine is a little GUI looking so I'll have issues being an elitist
[20:35] <wrst> Unit193: you use weechat?
[20:35] <Unit193> wrst: No, irssi all the way
[20:36] <wrst> ahh how do you haev it gui looking?
[20:37] <Unit193> adv_windowlist is what does it, also kind of limits your channels a tad :/ I only have 37 windows now
[20:38] <wrst> only 37? :)
[20:39] <Unit193> Yep, I try to keep it low due to that script and diskspace (But fixed the last one a little)
[20:41] <wrst> I like my little list on the side Unit193 :)
[20:43] <Unit193> Channel list I take it
[20:52] <wrst> yes sir
[21:27] <pace_t_zulu> Xpistos: ping
[21:50] <pace_t_zulu> if anyone has a way to get hold of Xpistos ... please help
[23:02] <Unit193> binarymutant! Long time no see! Welcome back!
[23:03] <binarymutant> Unit193: glad to be back :D
[23:18] <Unit193> You don't actually know me. I joined the channel a while back looking for ubotuTN that is long dead and had much to good a welcome to /part
[23:21] <binarymutant> heh that's awesome :D that irc bot is just a bunch of plugins for rbot
[23:22] <Unit193> Yep. I had seen kubottu running on it before it was kicked out and thought it was an interesting bot (More so than Supy/Linmnoria) I'm sure the others will be around soon
[23:28] <binarymutant> worst part of being offline forever: default irssi
[23:31] <Unit193> Eh, yeah. That's not fun at all! I would assume you don't have a backup too...
[23:32] <binarymutant> unfortunitly. Maybe I should upload my dot files somewhere just in case :D


[15:07] <meena> falcojr: https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/1779#issuecomment-1292195028 I'm not seing travis tests running the unit tests
[15:07] -ubottu:#cloud-init- Pull 1779 in canonical/cloud-init "Net: add BSD ifconfig(8) parser" [Open]
[15:16] <minimal> folcojr, blackboxsw, rharper: wondering if a PR to change cloudinit/util.py's udevadm_settle function to add a "if not subp.which("udevadm"):\nreturn" would be accepted?
[15:17] <minimal> this would be to handle the situation where udev is not installed (i.e. a Linux distro not using udev, specifically Alpine in my case)
[15:18] <minimal> I don't believe udevadm_settle is called at all for BSD systems (though not sure about cc_disk_setup.py)
[15:18] <falcojr> meena: You don't get something like this? https://i.imgur.com/E9avfYC.png
[15:19] <minimal> falcojr: ^^^
[15:19] <falcojr> minimal: I think that'd be reasonable, though you might want an alternative
[15:20] <falcojr> is there anything similar that alpine uses?
[15:20] <minimal> falcojr: Alpine has mdev and mdevd as alternatives to udev but they don' have the equivalent of a settle command
[15:21] <minimal> actually looking at cc_disk_setup.py I don't see anything code to prevent udevadm_settle being called for BSDs - meena, have you ever tested cc_disk_setup with BSDs?
[15:27] <minimal> falcojr: many months ago growpart (in cloud-utils) was modified to also only run "udevadm settle" if udevadm was present
[16:11] <rharper> minimal: one thought is, if we're on linux where udevadm should be, then we might silently skip calling it, rather than failing.  Not sure the best way to have the distro object tell the code path whether to expect udevadm or not.
[16:20] <minimal> rharper: I'd guess if udevadm is missing when it shouldn't be then you've got (other) bigger problems ;-)
[16:20] <rharper> possibly
[16:21] <minimal> I can wrap it with a condition for Alpine, just wasn't sure if udevadm_settle was ever called for BSDs
[16:22] <meena> minimal: not yet. I have a plan, and going thru all modules is part of that
[16:22] <rharper> I'm not saying you have to do it that way, was just a thought.
[16:22] <minimal> as I mentione earlier from a quick look at cc_disk_setup I see nothing to prevent it being called for BSDs
[16:22] <meena> falcojr: I couldn't see any tests that… aren't lint tests there
[16:23] <minimal> yet cc_disk_setup is enabled for all distros (i.e. including [Free/Open/Net]BSD
[16:25] <minimal> that seems to be the obly module using udevadm_settle that doesn't seem to check for non-Linux OSes
[17:05] <falcojr> meena: in the image, there's a Travis line that's used to click through to the unit tests. You don't see the Travis line?
[17:11] <meena> falcojr: oh. that's another 9 checks that i haven't noticed so far
[17:11] <meena> but any way, this build is is failing for everyone, not just me
[17:12] <meena> right?
[17:12] <falcojr> yes, https://app.travis-ci.com/github/canonical/cloud-init/jobs/586661364
[17:14] <meena> minimal: I'm not sure disk_setup can work on BSD, I'll need to properly read thru
[17:14] <meena> it's not enabled in the config anyway
[17:18] <minimal> meena: I was referring to the "distros": [ALL_DISTROS] in its code
[17:18] <minimal> yeah I wasn't sure if the various utils it uses (sfdisk, sgdisk, etc) were present in BSDs
[17:22] <meena> not without additional installation.
[17:23] <meena> it would be better to use base system utilities to… you know… manipulate disks and partitions
[17:24] <minimal> meena: so I guess that line should be changed (as it is used to populate the "Supported distros:" entry in the online docs for modules
[17:24] <meena> can you open a bug?
[17:25] <meena> I would actually like to support disk_setup for at least FreeBSD
[17:27] <meena> falcojr: any idea how to get these tests fixed?
[17:28] <minimal> meena: better still I can do a PR for it ;-) There's no to do "all distros EXCEPT x" so guess will just need to define the full list of all non-BSDs distros
[17:29] <falcojr> meena: looks like they're all subp mocking related
[17:29] <meena> minimal: there's also no distros=Linux, which is true… sometimes…
[17:29] <falcojr> except maybe
[17:29] <falcojr> > ifs_txt, _ = subp.subp(["ifconfig", "-a"])
[17:29] <falcojr> E ValueError: not enough values to unpack (expected 2, got 0)
[17:29] <meena> falcojr: that's the whole point of the mock i committed
[17:36] <falcojr> meena: I'm seeing a common traceback in a lot of tests
[17:36] <falcojr> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/4DMwHcj6vx/plain/
[17:36] <falcojr> they're not BSD-related tests, yet it's trying to return a BSD distro
[17:37] <falcojr> that shouldn't be happening, so might be worth checking if you accidentally changed something to make that happen
[17:37] <falcojr> cls = distros.fetch(distro) if distro else MockDistro
[17:37] <falcojr> yet somehow BSD is coming back there for a number of tests?
[17:38] <meena> falcojr: I've fixed at least two functions that now can run on BSDs, and a third one that can run on FreeBSD
[17:39] <meena> 18:37 <@falcojr> cls = distros.fetch(distro) if distro else MockDistro ⬅ which commit is that? and which function is it?
[17:39] <falcojr> look at the traceback...though...now that I look a little closer those tests do all seems to specifically requesting a BSD distro
[17:42] <meena> https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/1779/commits/bd5c1de7f1829e1e7407e606b1ef6c2fbbfd739e here's the commit that tries to fix this, and seems to have no effect
[17:42] -ubottu:#cloud-init- Pull 1779 in canonical/cloud-init "Net: add BSD ifconfig(8) parser" [Open]
[17:42] <falcojr> the mock will be popped as soon as the context manager exits
[17:42] <falcojr> so you're right...it has no effect
[17:43] <falcojr> actually, not 100% sure on that...but it's worth double checking
[17:44] <meena> oh
[17:46] <meena> i figured from… this https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/blob/main/tests/unittests/distros/test_networking.py#L20 i figured it should just work
[17:47] <meena> but I reckon i should be using yield then, and return
[17:47] <falcojr> yeah, this is a fixture, so the entire test is going to run within that context manager
[17:48] <meena> well, if i knew how use fixtures
[17:49] <falcojr> pytest docs are pretty good
[17:49] <falcojr> I'd start with the example and then move up/down from there https://docs.pytest.org/en/6.2.x/fixture.html#quick-example
[17:50] <falcojr> it's the standard way to do setup/teardown in pytest, so worth understanding
[19:07] <Rick14> Hello
[19:09] <Rick14> I need a hand with getting Cloudinit working on freebsd. I am getting logs of cloud-init.log and cloud-init-output.log and its taking the script but its not making any changes. It runs the modules but no changes
[19:19] <meena> Rick14: hi! I'm the main developer for the FreeBSD bits
[19:20] <meena> what cloud are you running on, and what does your user-data look like, exactly?
[19:26] <Rick14> Hi Mina! Im running on a private openstack
[19:26] <Rick14> #cloud-config
[19:26] <Rick14> users:
[19:26] <Rick14>   - name: user
[19:26] <Rick14>     ssh-authorized-keys:
[19:26] <Rick14>       - KEY
[19:26] <Rick14>     gecos: user
[19:26] <Rick14>     groups: [adm, wheel]
[19:26] <Rick14>     sudo: ["ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL"]
[19:26] <Rick14>     shell: /bin/csh
[19:26] <Rick14>     passwd: "$6$ hash"
[19:26] <Rick14>     lock_passwd: false
[19:26] <Rick14> ssh_pwauth: yes
[19:26] <Rick14> timezone: US/Eastern
[19:26] <Rick14> I can see in the logs that cloud init is doing something. Just not making any chnages
[19:26] <meena> Rick14: you… could've used a pastebin for that…
[19:27] <Rick14> Sorry
[19:27] <meena> anyway, do you have /usr/local/etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d/99_freebsd.cfg enabled? or even customized?
[19:28] <falcojr> IRC doesn't have any kind of auto-text formatting options. It's customary to share code/snippets using a pastebin service. paste.ubuntu.com is a common one here
[19:30] <Rick14> Sorry about that and noted. Never used IRC before today.
[19:31] <Rick14> And There is a 99_freebsd.cfg in that path. But its just the default
[19:33] <meena> okay, so, let's start fresh: cloud-init clean -slr (cleans logs, seed, and reboot)
[19:35] <Rick14> Ok Done
[19:38] <Rick14> Cloud init just ran and injected the user
[19:38] <meena> Rick14: so… it thought before that it had already ran?
[19:39] <Rick14> The user that I was injecting didnt exist till after I ran the command you sent
[19:41] <meena> Rick14: no, i meant: cloud-init thought it had already ran, so when it was reading its configuration and user-data, it determined it had nothing to do (most modules are per-once)
[19:43] <meena> https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/modules.html#users-and-groups Module frequency: once-per-instance
[19:44] <meena> Rick14: so, maybe the way the image was created, cloud-init clean wasn't called.
[19:45] <Rick14> I see ok
[19:46] <Rick14> So when creating the golden image, I should run cloud-init clean before turning it into a template? Sorry for the dumb question, im just trying to figure this out as this is all new
[19:47] <skull-skrimp> do everything you need before booting the guest
[19:48] <skull-skrimp> that is to say, if you're using packer you should have a "provision" stage
[19:48] <skull-skrimp> when the guest boots it'll run cloud-init as you'd expect
[19:48] <Rick14> ok Noted
[19:49] <skull-skrimp> https://developer.hashicorp.com/packer/tutorials/docker-get-started/docker-get-started-provision what are you using to build the images?
[19:53] <Rick14> So we had a freebsd image on our stack and Im just updating it and something happened from the previous image where could-init was just gone. So I was tasked with getting it running again
[19:59] <meena> Rick14: was it uninstalled in a conflict? pkg logs to /var/log/messages
[20:02] <Rick14> Based on what logs are from the previous image, it was uninstalled but nothing much more I could see. So im just trying to reinstall it
[20:03] <Rick14> if I hit a conflict I will mention it here
[20:05] <meena> Rick14: which FreeBSD version is this? and which cloud-init version is it? Are you using quarterly or latest?
[20:07] <Rick14> This is freebsd 13.1 and Release 22.3.4
[20:18] <meena> Rick14: I'm not seeing 22.3.4 anywhere here: https://www.freshports.org/net/cloud-init/
[20:19] <Rick14> I installed from https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/releases/tag/22.3.4
[20:19] <meena> Rick14: whyyyyyyyyy
[20:21]  * meena should submit a port upgrade…
[20:21] <meena> Rick14: this is my port: https://www.freshports.org/net/cloud-init-devel/
[20:21] <Rick14> So I should install from freshports?
[20:22] <meena> Rick14: freshports is just an interface. you should install from `pkg`, and if you're not getting the latest version of a port you're expecting, you should file a bug / submit a patch for a port-upgrade.
[20:23] <Rick14> Ok noted.
[20:24] <meena> Rick14: you can join #freebsd for help on FreeBSD. You can join #bsdports on EFNet to talk with porters.
[20:24] <Rick14> Ok Cool Ill save those for later if I come into port issues
[20:24]  * meena should update net/cloud-init… not just net/cloud-init-devel…
[20:25] <meena> jrm: ping
[20:25] <Rick14> So after I install from net/cloud-init, Do I have to run any commands to stage cloud init before turning it into an image?
[20:27] <meena> Rick14: you should check the config files, and you need to enable it via service cloudinit enable / sysrc cloudinit_enable=YES
[20:28] <meena> the net/cloud-init port doesn't enable logging, some people like it that way…
[20:33] <Rick14> Ok. Im installing it fresh now
[20:34] <meena> Rick14: there's a bunch of fixes in net/cloud-init-devel, like we can configure ntp now, but, they're not released yet.
[20:37]  * meena still can't get over how FreeBSD's cloud-init runs on more platforms than Linux'
[20:37] <meena> (this is because we eliminated dmidecode)
[20:55] <meena> falcojr: I've now reverted that silly mock patch, and the failures, (now) unsurprisingly still look the same.
[20:56] <meena> I'm… starting… to consider… a terrible approach
[20:59] <meena> https://gist.github.com/e05440564d52fa70f78fa48230085d44
[20:59] <meena> "fixes" two failing tests
[21:13] <falcojr> I think the idea behind the mock patch was a good one. If you have a common class you're going to be using in a bunch of tests but it has some code you don't want being executed in unit tests, then replace the problematic piece with something not problematic
[21:15] <jrm> meena: pong
[21:16] <meena> jrm: i think we should give net/cloud-init also an upgrade
[21:16] <Rick14> meena Thank you for your help!
[21:17] <jrm> meena: K.  Still reading the backlog.  Should I pull from the HEAD of upstream's main for the port upgrade?
[21:18] <meena> jrm: no, just use the latest tag, and we think about what fixes from net/cloud-init-devel we can push down to net/cloud-init
[21:18] <meena> but, basically, Rick14 installing cloud-init from source, rather than pkg prompted me to check what version we're on, and it's a bit behind
[21:21] <jrm> My last message was stupid me thinking you wrote net/cloud-init-devel, not cloud-init.
[21:22] <meena> falcojr:  btw, is there a way to only @mock.patch that only triggers on a specific subp.subp call? (this is well possible in Ruby…)
[21:33] <falcojr> like only from a particular call point? Not really
[21:35] <meena> falcojr: person in #python is recommending: https://bpa.st/YPLA
[21:36] <meena> but… i'm starting to wonder if we're not overriding @mock.patch
[21:37] <falcojr> that's one way to make it happen
[21:37] <meena> falcojr: btw, re https://docs.pytest.org/en/6.2.x/fixture.html#quick-example — in my code, this doesn't work: https://gist.github.com/fcefd4a0afee6e156fd7e3f691b0784c
[21:38] <meena> even tho, I already have this exact pattern in test_networking.py
[21:38] <falcojr> fixtures aren't called, they're passed into the test function
[21:39] <falcojr> oh wait, nm, that's what you're doing
[21:40] <falcojr> have you tried mocking cloudinit.distros.networking.subp.subp ?
[21:41] <falcojr> I read this a while ago and found it helpful btw, https://nedbatchelder.com/blog/201908/why_your_mock_doesnt_work.html
[21:42] <meena> falcojr: in networking.py, we're just importing from cloudinit import net, subp, util; so i assumed that's the one i have to mock.
[21:43] <meena> i wish there was a way to … initialize the BSD networking class only on (first) use
[21:46] <falcojr> but your test code is importing networking, so it should be patched there
[21:50] <meena> falcojr: either way, that's not waht's failing with this particular attempt…
[21:53] <meena> (also, in test_networking.py, we don't import networking)
[22:00] <meena> okay slowly starting to get a better grasp on this
[22:26] <meena> https://gist.github.com/ee97505d7b297237efbcfbe40563fd38 this works, but I really hope I'll stumble into a more generic solution
[22:26] <meena> tomorrow.


[15:51] <xevious> Has an updated version of the "Ubuntu kernel release cycle" chart which includes 22.04.2 been created yet? I'm assuming that 22.10's kernel 5.19 will be included in 22.04.2 - please correct me if I'm wrong about that.  I'm documenting our plan for upgrading from 20.04 and would like to include that future point release because its kernel contains some important fixes for Alder Lake hardware.
[15:52] <xevious> (I'm referring to the graphic on this page: https://ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle#ubuntu-kernel-release-cycle)


[10:55] <kulijo> how do i set up a locoteam?
[14:00] <aelico> Boa tarde
[14:39] <user____> Hey what would be the appropriate channel to discuss appropriate customer service? Just "purchased" ubuntu and the link did not start a download, it also did not have a click "here" button like the free link to download had.
[14:42] <elacheche> user____: for Technicanl support please join #ubuntu
[14:45] <user____> i would not really call this technical support. i managed to find the download, i just thought it would be nicer if i after i had donated, i was brought to a website with a working download button. I know this site is used less so i just assumed this feature may have been overlooked


[18:46] <olly> morning
[19:34] <ajmitch> morning
[20:30] <chilts> morning
[20:34] <ibeardslee> morning
[23:12] <thumper> afternoon


 I have samba installed. Any help would be appreciated. I googled but nothing seems to work.
[00:25] <robjloranger> windows is lame, sorry. i tried to get filesharing working and it's such a pain.
[00:25] <robjloranger> i assume you have already tried th easy setup?
[00:25] <clevas> Ya the linux maching will see windows shared files but the other way around it wont work
[00:26] <robjloranger> that's the same problem i had, i got it to see the shares eventually but still could not access them
[00:27] <clevas> hmm hold on one second here
[00:28] <robjloranger> have you been here.. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NetworkPrintingWithUbuntu  ?
[00:31] <clevas> I wasnt on that page but similar ones
[00:32] <robjloranger> have you seen, on the above page, the section on adding your ubuntu-networked printer in windows?
[00:32] <robjloranger> specificaly entering the printer address/name manually
[00:33] <robjloranger> let me try it actually, i have a printer and a nearby windows machine, win7
[00:33] <robjloranger> one minute
[00:37] <clevas> i dunno i tried a lot
[00:40] <robjloranger> i might be having some luck, one sec
[00:44] <robjloranger> dang, sorry. i almost had it but i won't connect
[00:44] <robjloranger> someone might be around in #ubuntu to help. it's usually busier in there
[00:54] <spectre> hi ther
[00:54] <spectre> can somone help me please ???
[00:54] <robjloranger> whats the issue?
[00:55] <spectre> my probleme is about mysql server
[00:55] <spectre> I can't start it
[00:55] <spectre> I try but always fail
[00:56] <robjloranger> what is the message?
[00:56] <spectre> I'm runnig Kubuntu 14.04
[00:56] <spectre> * Starting MySQL database server mysqld
[00:56] <spectre> failes
[00:56] <spectre> failed
[00:57] <spectre> I don't now why and I had search on the web but no result
[00:59] <spectre> and also in /var/log/mysql/mysql.err and /var/log/mysql/mysql.err
[00:59] <spectre> and also in /var/log/mysql/mysql.err and /var/log/mysql/mysql.log files are empty
[00:59] <robjloranger> how are you starting the server?
[01:00] <spectre> /etc/init.d/mysql start
[01:00] <spectre> also try "sudo service mysql start"
[01:00] <robjloranger> are you doing so as root? you need to be root to start/stop services
[01:00] <spectre> but same
[01:00] <spectre> yes I'm root
[01:00] <robjloranger> try sudo /etc/init.d/mysql start
[01:01] <spectre> yes I tried but same mssg
[01:02] <robjloranger> i'm installing to try along with you, one minute
[01:03] <spectre> Ok thx a lot
[01:03] <spectre> to help me
[01:04] <spectre> I type this cmd     "dpkg --get-selections | grep mysql"
[01:04] <spectre> and this is the output :  akonadi-backend-mysql                           install
[01:04] <spectre> libdbd-mysql-perl                               install
[01:04] <spectre> libmysqlclient18:amd64                          install
[01:04] <spectre> libqt4-sql-mysql:amd64                          install
[01:04] <spectre> mysql-client                                    install
[01:04] <spectre> mysql-client-5.5                                install
[01:04] <unopaste> spectre you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[01:06] <robjloranger> can you tell me the result of this, sudo netstat -tep | grep mysql
[01:06] <robjloranger> -tap not -tep
[01:06] <robjloranger> sorry
[01:08] <spectre> I have no results
[01:08] <robjloranger> using http://pastebin.com/ please share what is in the file /var/log/mysql/error.log
[01:08] <spectre> juste an infinite loop
[01:10] <spectre> This file is empty
[01:12] <spectre> I tried lot of things that I found on the web
[01:12] <spectre> but no results
[01:12] <robjloranger> how about /var/log/syslog
[01:13] <spectre> lot of things in it
[01:13] <spectre> I paste it ?
[01:13] <robjloranger> yes please
[01:13] <robjloranger> in paste bin
[01:15] <robjloranger> did you set a password when you installed mysql-server?
[01:15] <spectre> yes
[01:16] <robjloranger> did you create a paste for me to look at?
[01:17] <spectre> i have a big lagg two minutes
[01:17] <spectre> sorry
[01:17] <robjloranger> thats ok
[01:19] <spectre> it is a very long file
[01:21] <robjloranger> ya they are daily
[01:21] <spectre> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7413547/
[01:24] <robjloranger> its taking very long, i suppose its the site
[01:24] <spectre> yes I think but for past it  it take very long time too
[01:30] <windows8> hi
[01:30] <windows9> hi
[01:30] <windows9> hi
[01:30] <robjloranger> do you have either of these files? /etc/mysql/my.cnf  or  /etc/mysql/debian.cnf
[01:31] <spectre> yes I have /etc/mysql/my.cnf
[01:33] <spectre> http://pastie.org/9151655
[01:34] <robjloranger> that is your whole file?
[01:35] <robjloranger> it shows your error log being here /home/spectre/mysql/mysql.log
[01:35] <spectre> yes
[01:35] <spectre> isn't goof
[01:35] <spectre> isn't good
[01:35] <spectre> ??
[01:35] <robjloranger> no, i will paste my file
[01:36] <spectre> yes I have le mysql.log file
[01:37] <robjloranger> try making a backup of your /etc/mysql/my.cnf and replacing it with this http://pastie.org/9151662
[01:37] <spectre> ok
[01:38] <robjloranger> did you use some tool or GUI to set options for your server?
[01:39] <spectre> No I don't
[01:40] <robjloranger> ok, this should work, try starting mysql after you edit the file, use sudo mysql start
[01:40] <robjloranger> sorry, sudo start mysql
[01:41] <spectre> start: Job failed to start
[01:41] <spectre> he failed
[01:41] <spectre> again
[01:41] <spectre> I cp your file in my.cnf
[01:42] <spectre> but it doesn't work
[01:43] <robjloranger> what is the first mysql error if you type, head -10 /var/log/syslog
[01:45] <spectre> http://pastie.org/9151671
[01:46] <robjloranger> it's a bit further up the file, you can cat the file and look for the mysql error, or open it in an editor. the group closest to the bottom
[01:47] <robjloranger> previously it was that it could not read the my.cnf file
[01:47] <robjloranger> perhaps the permissions are wrong
[01:48] <robjloranger> try ls -l /etc/mysql/my.cnf
[01:49] <spectre> http://pastie.org/9151678
[01:50] <robjloranger> what is in your /etc/mysql/debian.cnf ?
[01:51] <spectre> -rw-rw-r-- 1 spectre spectre 3718 May  8 03:39 /etc/mysql/my.cnf
[01:51] <spectre> ls -l /etc/mysql/my.cnf
[01:52] <spectre> /etc/mysql/debian.cnf I havn't this file
[01:52] <spectre> debian.cnf
[01:53] <robjloranger> that is strange, you chould have it. it is auto-generated during install. one sec
[01:54] <spectre> yes but I remember that I have some erros when installig it
[01:55] <robjloranger> try a reinstall. first apt-get --purge remove mysql-server
[01:55] <robjloranger> then install again and note the errors
[01:59] <Logomachist> Does anyone know how the Windows Kubuntu installer works? I'm trying to figure out if my Kubuntu OS is infected with malware or whether it is normal to have Tinycore Linux lines in my menu.lst file.
[01:59] <spectre> sudo apt-get install mysql-server
[02:00] <spectre> http://pastie.org/9151700
[02:00] <spectre> when I try to reinstall it doesn't work
[02:02] <spectre> ok nop thx man I will see tommoro Now I will sleep
[02:02] <robjloranger> check you held packages, dpkg --get-selections | grep hold
[02:02] <robjloranger> ok, later
[02:02] <spectre> thank you very mush
[02:02] <robjloranger> the packages are the key though. the held ones
[02:02] <spectre> I have nothing
[02:03] <nescius> spectre: if it is a new installation, purge it first before reinstalling and it souhld be fine, no?
[02:03] <spectre> yes already purge
[02:04] <spectre> but when I reinstall it no way
[02:40] <Obernal> Is everybody working on the evolve theme implementation?
[02:40] <Obernal> (wordpress)
[04:21] <Freefour> Hi !
[04:29] <Freefour> Hi ! - I'm  searching to bypass desktop effects on one window or one program without disabling the effect : gimp : I do not want the image window to fade if i'm playing with the tools window;  - Kubuntu 14.04 x32 presario C500
[04:57] <caf4926> is there any known issue with chromium+pepper and flash playback in kubuntu?
[05:05] <TheFakeazneD525> caf4926: not really, other than the default flash tearing prevelent in loonix
[05:05] <caf4926> TheFakeazneD525: thanks
[05:05] <TheFakeazneD525> but nowadays, on modern machines there isn't too much tearing
[05:06] <TheFakeazneD525> I'd recommend pepperflash, due to modernness
[05:06] <caf4926> TheFakeazneD525: sorry for being a bit vague, only I'm asking as a 3rd party
[05:06] <TheFakeazneD525> but the 11.* player is alright
[05:06] <TheFakeazneD525> for now >.<
[05:06] <caf4926> TheFakeazneD525: adobe flash is bluggered I know
[05:06] <caf4926> TheFakeazneD525: at least with chromium
[05:06] <TheFakeazneD525> caf4926: if you need to use the latest adobe flash, get the standalone flashprojector windows binary
[05:06] <TheFakeazneD525> works well on wine
[05:07] <caf4926> TheFakeazneD525: can I ask, do you only neen the kubuntu-restricted-extras, or would you add the ubuntu ones as well?
[05:08] <TheFakeazneD525> K/X/L/Ubuntu-restricted extras are all the same
[05:08] <TheFakeazneD525> most likely
[05:08] <TheFakeazneD525> idk why its not unified
[05:08] <caf4926> TheFakeazneD525: that's what I figured
[05:09] <caf4926> TheFakeazneD525: I think there might be some minor differences in the browser plugins
[05:10] <TheFakeazneD525> iirc, NSPLUGINS is a unified API
[05:10] <TheFakeazneD525> and K-restricted-extras gives the chromium stuff too
[05:11] <caf4926> TheFakeazneD525: I was thinking the totem mozilla packages used across gnome, kde tends to use gecko-mediaplayer
[05:11] <TheFakeazneD525> caf4926: odd, iirc KDE uses its own Phonon related player
[05:12] <caf4926> TheFakeazneD525: hey, thanks for the advices, I have to bug off now
[05:12] <TheFakeazneD525> ah, one quick thing
[05:12] <TheFakeazneD525> if you have a minute
[05:13] <caf4926> y
[05:13] <TheFakeazneD525> So, i checked the packages for Kubu-restricted-addons/extras
[05:13] <TheFakeazneD525> they just provide codecs and some fonts
[05:13] <TheFakeazneD525> as well as unrar
[05:13] <TheFakeazneD525> and flash
[05:13] <TheFakeazneD525> if that helps
[05:14] <caf4926> TheFakeazneD525: it's just  installed kub for a friend on Tuesday + the rest-extr + pepper and they said chromium wasn't playing flash.... I'll get my hands on it again next tuesday
[05:15] <TheFakeazneD525> ah right!
[05:15] <caf4926> TheFakeazneD525: itwill be fine I'm sure and I'm a long way from being a noob
[05:15] <TheFakeazneD525> one last thing
[05:16] <caf4926> y
[05:16] <TheFakeazneD525> Chromium doesn't include pepperflash by default
[05:16] <caf4926> Iknow that
[05:16] <TheFakeazneD525> Chrome has the proprietary plugins
[05:16] <caf4926> Yes I know
[05:16] <caf4926> TheFakeazneD525: thanks again
[05:18]  * TheFakeazneD525 flaps away
[05:43] <mrweb20> Hey #kubuntu. Every time I set Kickoff to not switch tabs on hover, it changes back after I restart my computer. Suggestions?
[05:50] <mrweb20> Hey #kde. I'm on Kubuntu 14.04. Every time I set kickoff to NOT switch tabs on hover, it changes back after I restart my computer. Any suggestions?
[05:50] <mrweb20> I meant #kubuntu :)
[06:49] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:01]  * TheFakeazneD525 slides lordievader some koffee
[07:02] <TheFakeazneD525> I got this from the guys working on KF5, its very fresh, but somewhat unstable
[07:03] <lordievader> KF5 is fancy, indeed. Too bad it is not yet in a state where it is usable :(
[07:03] <TheFakeazneD525> :(
[07:03] <soee> dont be sad :)
[07:03] <TheFakeazneD525> say, what will happen to Phonon?
[07:03] <lordievader> But it will come ;)
[07:04] <TheFakeazneD525> :D
[07:58] <Bundestrojaner> i have a really strange problem in 14.04: i started an old game in Wine in fullscreen-mode. it set the resolution of kde down to 1024x768 (or something near). I set it back to 1920x1080.
[07:58] <Bundestrojaner> Now, the Desktop area seem to have an offset: At start of KDE, i see a part of 4times background images, they form a cross where they border.
[07:58] <Bundestrojaner> At the desktop-switch (where the displayed applications are shown as gray rects), only a small part of those gray rects is in the desktop.
[07:58] <Bundestrojaner> And the worst problem: When i start a game in fullscreen-mode, the mouse pointer is "caged" in a rectangle in the left upper corner with ~1/5 of the screen size. Changing the resolution in a fullscreen-game also changes those size of the cage...
[08:03] <Bundestrojaner> the desktop-problem looks like this, but with 4 background-images meeting:
[08:03] <Bundestrojaner> http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/Descoladore/NebulaDesktop.jpg
[08:03] <Bundestrojaner> but the background-image fixes itself after a few seconds
[08:06] <valorie> bizarre
[08:06] <valorie> it's like the driver got reset or something
[08:10] <Bundestrojaner> valorie: the problem occured 2 days ago, so i rebooted a few times since then - it didn't fix the problem
[08:10] <valorie> which is why it seems that something has somehow had been reset
[08:11] <Bundestrojaner> with normal windows (like firefox and so on) it's not a problem because kde seems to allows placing windows outside the desktop
[08:11] <Bundestrojaner> did you understand what i mean with the desktop-switch? i don't know how to explain it better...
[08:12] <Bundestrojaner> this taskbar-app shows the position and size of a window on the desktop by drawing it as a dark-gray rectangle.
[08:13] <valorie> no, I don't entirely understand
[08:13] <Bundestrojaner> i'll make a screenshot
[08:15] <Bundestrojaner> valorie: http://abload.de/img/desktop-switch3gj1s.png
[08:15] <valorie> ah, that's the pager
[08:15] <valorie> those are your virtual desktops
[08:15] <Bundestrojaner> yeah
[08:16] <Bundestrojaner> and the dark-gray "lines" are a small part from the rectangle showing the position of the windows
[08:16] <valorie> sounds like something is stuck in kwin
[08:16] <Bundestrojaner> so i guess my desktop has a offset of ~900 pixel
[08:16] <valorie> you might have luck asking in #kwin
[08:17] <valorie> uh, I think that's the channel name
[08:17] <Bundestrojaner> i'll try it, thx
[08:17] <valorie> nope, I was wrong
[08:17] <valorie> so try #plasma
[08:37] <mokush> can you guys connect yo facebook with ktp?
[09:17] <ovidius2> hi. i installed the update to kde sc 4.13 via the ppa on precise using "apt-get dist-upgrade". but this did not install baloo, so search is broken after the update. is this a known bug?
[09:18] <Riddell> ovidius2: what happens if you install baloo?
[09:18] <ovidius2> riddell: starts indexing and search works again from dolphin etc.
[09:19] <ovidius2> dolphin complains about a missing protocol when baloo is not installed
[09:19] <Riddell> ovidius2: shrug, in trusty we've had complaints that it is installed without asking, we can't win :)
[09:21] <ovidius2> riddell: i read about this. if you are in doubt, i am glad to confirm that you are doing a great job with the packages. still amazing that i get the latest kde sc packaged for a two year old distro
[09:23] <ovidius2> i can only report that after an initial period of indexing and high cpu load baloo is much smoother and faster.
[09:26] <Riddell> ovidius2: great :)
[09:56] <alvin> I installed storageservicemanager, but when I want to link Dropbox, I get the message "Only a limited set of users can receive access tokens while this app is in development mode". It's not for everyone?
[10:17] <gp1> Hello. I need some advice on an issue since upgrading to 14.04.
[10:17] <gp1> My computer username is the same as my work network username. However, my computer password is different to my work network password (because the work network frequently makes me change passwords).
[10:17] <gp1> Since 14.04, I think there is some smart feature which automatically uses my computer password when I open my email client (thunderbird). I think it must keep trying to authenticate because I then get locked out of my company network (for multiple wrong passwords).
[10:17] <gp1> I made a new user account with a different username to my work username, and haven't had the issue. But I'd prefer to keep the old user name. I wonder if anyone knows what has changed in this release and if there is a way to disable this feature. Thanks a lot.
[10:21] <v2an> Hello everyone! Привет всем! Русско-язычные тут есть?
[10:21] <lordievader> !ru | v2an
[10:47] <hateball> gp1: there is a new pam module that unlocks kwallet with your login credentials at least, dunno if that is also used for say thunderbird (I dont use it)
[10:48] <gp1> hateball: Interesting thanks
[11:00] <lokkingirl> is there someone?
[11:28] <BluesKaj> 'Mornimg all
[11:36] <yossarianuk>  how do I make ksm for KVM enabled at boot on Ubuntu ?
[11:39] <BluesKaj> yossarianuk, what's ksm?
[11:40] <lordievader> yossarianuk: Last time I checked it was enabled for Ubuntu kernels.
[11:40] <lordievader> yossarianuk: But this is more a topic for #ubuntu-kernel/#ubuntu-server
[11:40] <yossarianuk> BluesKaj: ksm shares pages between vm's = i.e http://www.linux-kvm.com/content/using-ksm-kernel-samepage-merging-kvm
[11:41] <yossarianuk> lordievader: it is enabled -in the kernel - it not enabled in /sys/kernel/mm/ksm/run  - i can enable it via 'echo 1 >  /sys/kernel/mm/ksm/run' just wondering if one of the init/upstart scripts had the option.
[11:42] <yossarianuk> will ask in server
[11:43] <lordievader> yossarianuk: For my server it is 1, didn't change anything.
[11:45] <yossarianuk> lordievader: what version are you running ?
[11:45] <lordievader> yossarianuk: Saucy still.
[11:45] <yossarianuk> (ps ksm can be useful for virtualising desktops also - so its not just a server query..)
[11:45] <yossarianuk> ok im on 14.04
[11:46] <yossarianuk> I guess just adding the echo command to rc.local should do it...
[11:47] <hateball> yossarianuk: google says http://unix-heaven.org/node/86
[11:48] <hateball> if you want a neat script
[11:54] <yossarianuk> hateball: thanks
[11:55] <yossarianuk> One advantage centos has is that it had a deamon ksm-tuned which check if ksm is needed an enables it if it is....
[11:58] <hateball> well, that could be scripted quite easily
[12:01] <yossarianuk> yeah - sure its a simple script - I just mean it has it enabled 'out of the box'...
[12:01] <yossarianuk> ok - on a completely different matter - how can I remove the login stored in KRDC for rdp sessions ?
[12:02] <yossarianuk> don't worry - found it...
[12:02] <yossarianuk> no I haven;t..
[13:20] <wolfu_> hello
[13:34] <y4ns> help
[13:36] <BluesKaj> y4ns, just ask your question
[13:36] <y4ns> BluesKaj: still same
[13:37] <y4ns> Like 2 days ago
[13:37] <y4ns> Sound card problem
[13:37] <Matombo> Hi, i have a bug: the x-server spontaneously freezes sometimes. But when i switch to tty and back to the graphical interface everything is back to normal
[13:37] <Matombo> anyone else encountered this?
[13:37] <BluesKaj> y4ns, intel-hda ?
[13:37] <y4ns> What graphic card?
[13:37] <y4ns> BluesKaj:
[13:38] <y4ns> http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=137562d42f45be05451392f50e28722053ee8469
[13:38] <y4ns> Catch this
[13:38] <Matombo> nvidia 660m
[13:38] <y4ns> I have no idea how to fix this
[13:39] <y4ns> Matombo: you have newest drivers?
[13:39] <Matombo> i have nvidia-331 which was recommended during instalation
[13:40] <Matombo> is it the newest?
[13:41] <BluesKaj> y4ns, have you tried setting your audio source in pavucontrol like we suggested previously?
[13:41] <y4ns> BluesKaj: Yes, didnt help
[13:41] <y4ns> But you know what, i already try 100 distros on this netbook.
[13:42] <y4ns> With diffrent GUI, and only debian with xfce work good with it, but sound is also not clear enough but better then here on kubuntu
[13:42] <BluesKaj> y4ns, ok what about multimedia in system settings, device preference
[13:43] <y4ns> Wait i give you a screenshot
[13:43] <Matombo> what exactly is the nvidia-331-update driver? is it the dev version?
[13:44] <BluesKaj> Matombo, do you have Optimus gpus, dual level graphics ?
[13:45] <Matombo> yes i have, a intel chip but i think it's not installed, at least i havn't done anything to install him don't know what the setup did
[13:45] <Matombo> *it nit him sry i'm german xD
[13:45] <y4ns> BluesKaj: http://pho.to/5XxQU Here You go my friend
[13:46] <Matombo> *not
[13:46] <Matombo> dam it can't tipe anymore
[13:47] <y4ns> Matombo: Wie gehts?! :p
[13:47] <Matombo> y4ns: ganz gut hab nur eingentlich arbeit zu tun aber da isses viel verlockender bugs zu beheaben xD villeicht kennstes jah ;)
[13:48] <BluesKaj> Matombo, http://www.noobslab.com/2013/08/latest-nvidianvidia-optimus-drivers-for.html
[13:50] <BluesKaj> y4ns, yes but what is your setting in the device preference tab
[13:53] <y4ns> BluesKaj: Ammm...?
[13:54] <BluesKaj> y4ns, the tab beside the audio hardware setup
[13:55] <BluesKaj> to the left
[13:55] <y4ns> Oh, sry. Buil-in Audio Analog Stereo
[13:56] <y4ns> And when i press test.
[13:56] <y4ns> I hear music, but not clearly. Sound stop each second.
[13:56] <BluesKaj> y4ns, you say you have sound but it's just not very clear, correct?
[13:56] <y4ns> Right
[13:57] <y4ns> BluesKaj: Also when i play flac on amarok, sound its little bit faster 2 second, or stop for a while a than play forward. Hard to explain.
[13:57] <Matombo_> ah found the switch for the intel card in the settings, now on intel, if it's stabel now i know what the problem was (damn you nvidia ;), thanks for the link @BluesKaj if i need the nvidia card i will try it
[13:58] <y4ns> BluesKaj: Another happy soul :p
[13:59] <Matombo_> finaly an irc channel where i actually get a tipp that helps xD
[14:00] <BluesKaj> y4ns, try this, open /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf as root the add this line to the bottom of the file and save it, options snd-hda-intel index=0 , you may  have to reboot to make it stick
[14:00] <y4ns> Matombo: Bist du aber ein einzige :p
[14:00] <BluesKaj> y4ns, english pls
[14:01] <Matombo> @y4ns: hey er versucht dir zu helfen und gibt nicht nach dem ersten lieblosrausgesuchten google link auf
[14:03] <y4ns> Matombo: BluesKaj is the best
[14:03] <y4ns> BluesKaj: Ok, time to restart
[14:08] <y4ns> BluesKaj: Now Kmix stopped working, and i dont have sound at all :p
[14:17] <alket> in firefox , why the small "i" is displayed bigger
[14:19] <BluesKaj> y4ns, which chip is shown in alsamixer?
[14:20] <y4ns> Silicon Image SiI1392 HDMI
[14:20] <y4ns> BluesKaj:  I also try to put on HDMI cable on it, but its no response. I thought maybe sound go on it, but its not work at all.
[14:21] <y4ns> I think my hardware its not supported by linux very well.
[14:21] <y4ns> :/
[14:23] <BluesKaj> y4ns, what sound sources are available if you do F6 in alsamixer
[14:23] <y4ns> BluesKaj: Only - HDA Intel MID
[14:29] <BluesKaj> y4ns, you have force the soundcard to use snd-hda-intel , not mid , add this to alsabase that you just edited, options snd_hda_codec_hdmi index=-2
[14:30] <BluesKaj> then sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel
[14:30] <y4ns> BluesKaj: You mean options snd-hda-codec-hdmi index=-2
[14:30] <AceKing> I installed Kubuntu 14.04 32 bit along side of Windows 8. I had to delete a petition in order for it to install. Appearantly it was the MBR petition for Windows. After install I was only able to boot into Kubuntu. I downloaded Grub Customizer, but it was unable to detect Windows 8. I tried fixing the MBR with a Windows install disk, and now I'm getting error: unknown filesystem
[14:30] <AceKing> grub rescue >. I booted in with LiveCD, installed boot-repair, but it can't fix grub. Any ideas how to fix this without reinstalling Windows 8?
[14:31] <AceKing> Sorry that was so long.. I just wanted to make sure you know what steps I took
[14:31] <BluesKaj> y4ns, dashes or underscores , it makes no difference
[14:31] <y4ns> BluesKaj: K
[14:32] <y4ns> BluesKaj: No diffrence
[14:33] <BluesKaj> AceKing, in kubuntu try , sudo os-prober , then sudo update-grub
[14:33] <AceKing> BluesKaj: OK
[14:34] <BluesKaj> y4ns, either reboot or run sudo alsa force-reload
[14:35] <y4ns> BluesKaj: No diffrence
[14:37] <BluesKaj> what did you do y4ns ?
[14:39] <AceKing> BluesKaj: Same error. The only way I can boot into Kubuntu is using Super Grub2 disk
[14:39] <BluesKaj> no grub, AceKing ?
[14:39] <AceKing> BluesKaj: No
[14:40] <y4ns> BluesKaj: This what You said ->http://share.pho.to/5XzNr
[14:40] <AceKing> BluesKaj: Error: unknown filesystem. Entering rescue mode... Grub rescue
[14:40] <y4ns> Then sudo alsa force-reload
[14:40] <BluesKaj> hold the left shift key down after the bios screen when booting , AceKing
[14:40] <AceKing> BluesKaj: OK
[14:41] <AceKing> BluesKaj: Same error
[14:43] <y4ns> BluesKaj: Also when i tip "cat /proc/asound/card0/codec* | grep Codec"
[14:43] <y4ns> I have something like this "Codec: Realtek ALC269, Codec: Silicon Image SiI1392 HDMI"
[14:44] <AceKing> BluesKaj: I have a flashing prompt with that error. But anything I type in there comes up "Unknown command"
[14:44] <BluesKaj> AceKing, ok , boot in with the supergrub disk then open the partition editor in kmenu>apps> settings and check to see if your ntfs partition still exists
[14:44] <y4ns> So ill try to find in /usr/share/doc/alsa-base/driver/HD-Audio-Models.txt.gz my card to put this line "options snd-hda-intel model=MODEL" with my model but...
[14:44] <AceKing> BluesKaj: OK
[14:45] <BluesKaj> y4ns, do you have the hdmi connected to a monitor or tv ?
[14:46] <y4ns> BluesKaj: Nope
[14:46] <BluesKaj> ok
[14:49] <AceKing> BluesKaj: I can see the drive with Windows on it. If I go into Dolphin, I can see all the files in Windows
[14:50] <AceKing> BluesKaj: I meant petition with Windows
[14:50] <BluesKaj> AceKing, did you try boot-repair cd?
[14:51] <BluesKaj> y4ns, I assume you.re looking at this site , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[14:51] <AceKing> I tried boot-repair when I installed it using  LiveCD
[14:52] <y4ns> BluesKaj:  I already try all of this options
[14:52] <y4ns> Thats why im here :/
[14:52] <y4ns> BluesKaj: Thank for help btw
[14:52] <BluesKaj> AceKing, the boot-repair cd is usually quite dependable, I've used numerous times to repair/rescue grub
[14:53] <BluesKaj> y4ns, well I'm out of ideas now... you seem to have an anomaly there that I can't figure out
[14:54] <AceKing> BluesKaj: OK. going to give that a shot now. Thank you!
[15:00] <y4ns> BluesKaj: But thanks for help anyway
[15:04] <BluesKaj> y4ns, definitely a mystery snd-hda-intel should work
[15:05] <y4ns> Its working, but sound are not clear.
[15:05] <y4ns> Thats the point
[15:09] <BluesKaj> y4ns, if the soiund is stopping and starting then there's something definitely wrong
[15:10] <y4ns> BluesKaj: I know, i checking now alsa-base.conf, and i think something is wrong here
[15:10] <y4ns> I dont know
[15:10] <BluesKaj> pastrbin it
[15:10] <y4ns> BluesKaj: What does it mean when is index=-2
[15:11] <BluesKaj> disable or ignore
[15:11] <BluesKaj> anything - is passover or ignore
[15:11] <y4ns> Ok
[15:12] <BluesKaj> 0,1,2 is the fallback order
[15:13] <BluesKaj> 0 is default
[15:14] <y4ns> Ehhh...
[15:14] <y4ns> No sound, no fun :/
[15:15] <BluesKaj> y4ns, pastebin your alsa-base.conf file ..I'd like to see it\
[15:15] <y4ns> Here?
[15:17] <y4ns> w8
[15:18] <y4ns> http://pastebin.com/qe4A9GPD
[15:20] <BluesKaj> the lines I asked you to add are no longer in the file, did you remove them, y4ns?
[15:21] <y4ns> I remove them, becuase it didnt help
[15:22] <BluesKaj> you should at least have, options snd_hda_intel index=0
[15:22] <AceKing> BluesKaj: OK, I just ran boot-repair LiveCD. I tried to repair grub I get a message saying: GRUB is still present. Please try again
[15:23] <BluesKaj> y4ns, to make your onboard the default
[15:24] <BluesKaj> AceKing, are you using uefi mode for both installs ?
[15:24] <AceKing> BluesKaj: Yes
[15:27] <BluesKaj> AceKing, go into the uefi/bios and try the legacy mode, then if grub doesn't show try boot repair again or if grub is available then update-grub in kubuntu and windows should show up
[15:27] <AceKing> BluesKaj: OK
[15:29] <BluesKaj> I have some stuff to do for a few mins...BBL
[15:30] <AceKing> BluesKaj: Before I rebooted, I uploaded data to http://paste.ubuntu.com/7416631/ Not sure if that helps.
[15:32] <y4ns> BluesKaj: But last time when i put it, kmix freeze
[15:33] <y4ns> And i was unavailable to change volume
[15:34] <y4ns> I record you how its working. Best scretching by kubuntu
[16:17] <y4ns> Blue-N
[16:17] <y4ns> BluesKaj: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOIm514qA-Y
[16:18] <y4ns> Hehe
[17:03] <slipnot> Is there such thing as a guide on printing through kubuntu from a windows computer?
[17:06] <AceKing> slipnot do you mean printer sharing from Kubuntu?
[17:16] <slipnot> AceKing ya thats it
[17:17] <slipnot> i tried a bunch of things from google and none worked
[17:19] <AceKing> slipnot: Click on K menu, and type in printer
[17:21] <AceKing> slipnot: Click on Printers to open printer control
[17:22] <AceKing> slipnot: Click on System Preferences and check Share printers connected to this system
[17:26] <slipnot> AceKing> i done that
[17:26] <slipnot> windows 8 wont even see it. Linux sees windows though
[17:29] <AceKing> slipnot: What printer do you have?
[17:30] <slipnot> canon mp520
[17:32] <slipnot> linux sees the printer fine
[17:50] <AceKing> slipnot: sorry for the delay between responses... Did you run the SW on your Windows PC, and set it up as a network printer?
[17:56] <slipnot> yep. I ran several searches and it wont pick it up
[17:57] <slipnot> I installed samba too
[18:01] <AceKing> slipnot: I was going to ask you that next
[18:01] <AceKing> slipnot: version 4.0?
[19:51] <jParkton> Just installed Kubuntu for the wife doing system updates now
[19:52] <jParkton> is there no way to see what packages are installing and what percentage?
[19:52] <jParkton> just a blue bubbly bar going back and forth infinitly
[20:04] <knuxee> Ey?
[20:16] <rberg_> has anybody else had this issue with kmail? I mark messages read then on next check they are all marked unread again?
[20:16] <trevize> seing those packages wont probably matter though
[22:28] <windows9> hi
[22:41] <dosfin_> anyone interested in working in Argentina?
[22:47] <windows8> hello!
[22:47] <windows8> anybody here?
[22:47] <TheFakeazneD525> hallo
[22:49] <windows8> hallo
[22:50] <windows8> ...
[22:51] <shattingduck> argentina?
[22:51] <shattingduck> why?
[22:51] <shattingduck> are you hiring?
[23:41] <Whiskey`> bug? i just did a install of 14.04 in vmware player 6.1 with win7 host and the installer keeps wanting ot put the bootloader onto a usb stick instead of sda, if the usb stick is not mounted to the guest vm then it doesnt place a bootloader at all