[07:29] <Cheri703> paultag: I have no idea
[13:28] <paultag> humm
[13:29] <paultag> turns out I still had rights
[23:57] <jrgifford> paultag: why should i have +v...? :P


[01:45] <pycurious> is there a ubuntu 24.04LTS desktop that is out, that will automatically upgrade to LTS when it releases this month?
[01:46] <sarnold> ubuntu systems won't automatically offer to upgrade to 24.04 until the 24.04.1 release a few months later
[01:46] <pycurious> @sarnold - if i load up the beta right now, will it upgrade to 24.04lts on April 25th?
[01:47] <sarnold> pycurious: oh yeah, that'll happen without any effort on your part
[01:47] <sarnold> pycurious: you'll just get new packages as they are released, it should go pretty smoothly
[01:47] <devslash> Upgrading ubuntu on day 0 is pretty risky
[01:47] <sarnold> devslash: someone has to file the early bug reports :)
[01:48] <devslash> Yea and while I do file bug reports, I'm happy to let someone else do that for Ubuntu bugs
[01:49] <pycurious> I just got a new laptop - was going to try to see if the beta is of any use - if not, will go back to 22.04lts desktop
[01:49] <pycurious> what is a good place to download the 24.04lts desktop beta?
[01:51] <sarnold> pycurious: https://releases.ubuntu.com/noble/
[01:52] <pycurious> Thanks!
[02:11] <pycurious> whats a good tool to use to burn ubuntu iso's on mac ? (rufus/etcher are out - could use dd - but perhaps something better?)
[02:17] <pycurious> used dd :) Thanks.
[02:32] <akik> pycurious: remember to use /dev/rdisk
[02:34] <preach> dd cannot burn anything
[02:34] <preach> and if you're talking about USB, that's not what ISOs are for, and not all bioses/firmware support that non-standard method of booting
[02:34] <akik> preach it
[02:34] <sarnold> .. .sounds like you've never burned your /home filesystem by accident with dd :)
[02:34] <preach> only /dev/sda
[02:35] <preach> and /dev/hda in the 90s
[02:35] <akik> imac can boot from usb stick, at least intel imac
[02:35] <sarnold> :)
[02:57] <younder> word of cation. dd's bs setting of 512 is ridiculously low. I use bs=64k which can increase the speed 6 times..
[02:57] <rbox> 64k is still tiny
[02:59] <TheRoyalWe> I use bs=1M
[03:16] <akik> younder: thanks but this is all well known
[07:36] <ice9> I'm unable to report bugs and getting this error: https://pasteboard.co/gLH9q5d8G6KI.png
[07:41] <ice9> rebooting solved the issue, but why did it happen?
[07:53] <NickH> ice9: Looks like https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1051683
[07:53] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Debian bug 1051683 in libfontconfig1 "libfontconfig1: 'out of memory' errors when the working directory was deleted" [Minor, Open]
[09:27] <zfolsi> hello
[10:02] <TheAvatar> preach, I were not gonna install an Ubuntu server I weren't going to use. It has a purpose, and software running on it, locks me to 22.04 (previously most recent supported was 20.04). So that's why I can't just upgrade to 23.x or 24.x as that is unsupported and very likely not working at all
[11:55] <miceiken> Naive question, but in bash when you run a command "command -- -args" what does the -- do?
[11:57] <geirha> it means "end of options", so any arguments that start with - after the -- will no longer be treated as options
[11:58] <miceiken> what if "command" is an alias, will the args after -- be passed to the base of the alias?
[11:59] <miceiken> e.g. for npm scripts
[12:04] <tomreyn> try for yourself: the command    alias ls    should return     alias ls='ls --color=auto'      and     ls    should give colorized output by default. now run   ls -l    and check whether the output changes.
[12:05] <tomreyn> while those are basic questions so far, if you have more complicated ones regarding bash specifically, also consider asking in #bash
[12:08] <tomreyn> miceiken: here's an example for "end of options": assuming you need to delete a file which starts with a hyphon, such as "-myfile".    rm -myfile    would interpret -myfile as an option, as would   rm "-myfile"   . however,   rm -- -myfile    would delete the file (as would    rm ./-myfile   ).
[12:09] <MauriceT> Is anyone familiar with driver creation ? My laptop has a fingerprint scanner that works on Windows but I switched to Ubuntu, and the driver for the version of the device : 06cb:00ff Synaptics has not been developed yet by the fprintd project. I would like to know where to start if I were to do it myself. My only idea yet it reverse engineering the
[12:09] <MauriceT> Windows version of the driver
[12:14] <miceiken> tyvm
[12:17] <pycurious> Just installed 24.04LTS Desktop on my new laptop - no crashes so far :) - nvidia driver is working as well! :)
[12:22] <nikel> Nice that you don't have a problem.
[12:27] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:28] <nikel> Hi.
[12:29]  * nikel is back from - auto-away (idle 30 min) - gone 27mins 3secs - [i²]
[12:30] <nikel> Bye.
[12:43] <webchat45> Hello, I have been trying to communicate in #ubuntu-next but It seems nobody is online
[12:54] <BluesKaj> heh, they're probly too busy fixing bugs
[13:27] <ingvar> How can I download a given version of a package from ESM (Ubuntu Pro only)? With apt, I only get the latest version.
[13:27] <ingvar> For example:
[13:27] <ingvar> $ apt download openjdk-8-jre-headless="8u382-ga-1~16.04.1"
[13:27] <ingvar> E: Version '8u382-ga-1~16.04.1' for 'openjdk-8-jre-headless' was not found
[13:28] <ogra_> ingvar, you can not ...
[13:28] <ingvar> uh, that is ... a pity
[13:28] <ingvar> why?
[13:29] <ogra_> (there is work going on to have archive snapshots for the ESM PPA, so customers can ask for versions to get sent ... but that work isnt done yet)
[13:30] <ogra_> ingvar, because it uses a PPA and they are not designed to keep older packages around (for space reasons) ... so some work is required to take regular snapshots of that archive
[13:30] <ogra_> a new upload/release of a deb will wipe the old one
[13:31] <ingvar> Using Ubuntu professionally in a conservative environment, this is functionality that is needed. For example to recreate a given server with a given patch level. Do we have to make some private snapshotting of packages then?
[13:31] <ingvar> ogra_: I've heart disk space comes cheap at this time of the ... century
[13:31] <ingvar> *heard
[13:34] <ogra_> ingvar, well, do you have an idea how many PPAs are there ? its the mass that makes it hard ...
[13:38] <ingvar> sure, but I would presume that 1) there is a limited number of PPAs that make up the Pro service, 2) These PPAs are used by (at least by some) paying customers. So do you have to snapshot each and every PPA that anyone made, just because you decided to use PPAs to build the ESM service?
[13:39] <ravage> If you need support about Ubuntu Pro you need to contact Canonical. This is a community support room.
[13:40] <ingvar> ok, ok
[14:30] <preach> TheAvatar: you can always use a VM as well
[14:30] <preach> or container
[14:47] <polymorphic> Are there known flaky reliability or issues with `6.5.0-27-generic` and Intel 2.5GB Nics? I see either my NIC crashing frequently, or IPv6 registrations every 4 seconds sometimes, which is concerning. Just recently, the system was just completely unresponsive. For the most part, it's been rock solid for 2 months.
[14:51] <preach> have you tried a search engine first
[14:54] <polymorphic> I have been looking - https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=264742
[14:54] <polymorphic> I have seen articles like this, but, they mention just negotiation at 1 GBs, not constantly flapping, or very aggressive DHCP messages.
[14:56] <polymorphic> Most of what I have seen though is back in 2021, nothing more recent.
[14:57] <polymorphic> I am also not entirely sure what happened, as I was trying to SSH from work, and I couldn't - I am still coming through the logs, but it is hard to determine tbh
[15:02] <mdmbkr> Hello, I'm running 22.04 on a thinkpad, and I notice when I close and then open the laptop that a maximized window will expand to include the area behind the taskbar, which then masks the bottom part of that window ... is there a way to prevent that
[15:06] <crowme> I have Ubuntu 20.04.4 installed (on a chromebook) where I am using the latest kde (about says plasma 5.24.7 and Frameworks 5.92.0) with gdm (because that was what was installed first). There is no Networks doodad under the Hardware Control section in the System Tray and its Settings dialog, but I thought it was there to start with. I use a similar setup on an old machine that this is replacing, but with 20.04 and kde about says plasma 5.18.8.
[15:06] <crowme> I have a vague memory that to get round this there I ended up using the kde display manager instead (or as well, actually). If I just login to kde at startup, wifi no work. Any ideas what is going on?
[15:07] <crowme> Add to which, the only thing I want kde for is for precise control of window size. There used to be a handy menu, but now it is so meta!
[15:07] <crowme> Alternatives?
[15:12] <tomreyn> crowme: so you initially installed ubuntu and then partially moved over towards kubuntu, i guess? I would recommend picking one of the two, this will likely give you a better experience in the end.
[15:13] <crowme> mdmbkr, suppose - for the sake of argument - that you changed the taskbar to autohide and the maximised window exanded to fill the space, that would be expected behaviour. So, then if you reversed the change to the taskbar, you would expect the maximised window to go back, right? Then what you are describing is a bug.
[15:17] <crowme> tomreyn, forgive me, the kids have moved so many years around in the >30 years I have been using linux! Programs like gdm and sddm all used to be implementations of X11 Display Manager and they should ought to have been interchangeable and interoperable with other window managers and desktops. gdm happily starts my kde session for me. Why does it do that, if it is not expected to work?
[15:20] <crowme> I did read the source code to a very small window manager once. matchbox, I think it was called. I am struggling to even figure out which program/package is responsible for the system tray. Is it plasmashell?
[15:20] <crowme> Where do I file the bug report?
[15:21] <tomreyn> crowme: i'm not saying it cannot work. i'm not sure whether there is an *exact* definition (standard) for 'X11 Display Manager' (could be, maybe you know) and, if so,  whether these softwares still attempt to comply with it. with desktop development focus moving more towards wayland, this may no longer hold true.
[15:22] <tomreyn> crowme: i'm not really into kde myself, others here certainly are, like those in #kubuntu
[15:22] <tomreyn> !bug
[15:23] <crowme> help me identify the package responsible?
[15:24] <crowme> x11 interoperability was always a little fuzzy in practice. I believe there were specs.
[15:26] <tomreyn> i would suggest you ensure you have at least one of the {k,}ubuntu-desktop{,-core} packages installed, or at least go through their dependencies recursively to ensure you're not missing arelevant components.
[15:27] <crowme> Now that I'm here, the other problems I have are keyboard problems (the chromebook was cheap!) Has keyboard(5) gone the way of the dodo?
[15:27] <crowme> tomreyn, thanks I'll go look ...
[15:27] <tomreyn> i mean {k,}ubuntu-desktop{,-minimal}
[15:29] <crowme> I do have ubuntu-desktop-minimal installed
[15:33] <tomreyn> so then gnome should work on your computer (but not neccessarily kde)
[15:34] <mdmbkr> crowme: I'm not sure about autohide expected behavior, I suppose I would expect my maximized window to occupy the whole desktop all the time and for the taskbar to basically float on top when it's displayed
[15:35] <mdmbkr> it would be weird for my windows to change size frequently just for the taskbar to appear and disappear
[15:35] <crowme> mdmbkr, but if you turned off auto-hide, would you expect maximised windows to resize?
[15:36] <crowme> The nature of the bug is very likely a kind of race. The window is getting maximised before the taskbar appears, but not getting resized after it appears.
[15:36] <mdmbkr> it's such an edge case that I never seriously thought about it. but I would say yes, because a maximized window is defined as occupying the full desktop, and removing the taskbar changes the size of the desktop
[15:37] <crowme> If you resize the taskbar to be thicker, what do you expect?
[15:37] <mdmbkr> at any rate I have another data point, now that we're discussing it, which is that if I disable "panel mode", the bug stops happening
[15:37] <crowme> I bet fvwm still works ;-)
[15:37] <crowme> twm for sure, right?
[15:38] <ioria> crowme, on plasma you might need 'plasma-nm' in addition to network-manager
[15:39] <crowme> ioria, fabulous I will go and look ...
[15:39] <ioria> ok
[15:39] <mdmbkr> which brings up a slightly different scenario: because the non-panel-mode taskbar doesn't (visually) reduce the size of the desktop, I'd now expect a maximized window to expand to include the area behind it .. but it doesn't, which gives the impression that there's an unusable area of desktop to either side of the taskbar
[15:40] <mdmbkr> anyway, so if we're considering this a bug, is there somewhere I should report it
[15:42] <crowme> Like the way that a macbook comes with a GIANT panel that takes up half the screen, so that it looks nice in the shop?
[15:44] <mdmbkr> I confess to totally hating the os X GUI
[15:44] <crowme> With regards to XDMCP, I can see an Open Group document with equations using greek letters that has Keith Packard's name on it :-)
[15:45] <coz_> mdmbkr, you're not alone
[15:53] <crowme> ioria, thank you so much. plasma-nm does indeed solve the problem!
[15:53] <ioria> crowme, ok
[16:01] <brenndo> help
[16:01] <mdmbkr> ok
[16:01] <lotuspsychje> !ask | brenndo
[16:01] <brenndo> i typed  "sudo chmod 777 -c -R /"  now i dont have sudo and root anymore
[16:04] <younder> lol. reboot and get the boot menu and choose secure boot. In there get a shell and set the permissions back the way they were.
[16:05] <younder> drwxr-xr-x root, root for reference
[16:09] <tomreyn> younder: you noticed -R ?
[16:10] <younder> recursively.. great. Reinstall it is
[16:11] <brenndo> ok thanks
[16:28] <jwash> hi everyone in step 9 they say to blacklist hardware. how do i know which gpu is driving my monitors. I have the gpu in the lower slot, I think its 04:00:00
[16:28] <jwash> Guide: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1406888/ubuntu-22-04-gpu-passthrough-qemu            Cmd line outputs: https://hastebin.skyra.pw/
[16:30] <jwash> If I blacklist 03:00.0 and i'm wrong, how would I recover without reinstalling
[16:38] <tomreyn> jwash: from a bootable recovery system. have you verified that your hardware and graphics driver is compatible to this guide before you started applying it?
[16:40] <tomreyn> https://hastebin.skyra.pw/ (the "Cmd line outputs" URL you posted) appears to show the submission frontent of a hastebin installation.
[16:41] <jwash> https://hastebin.skyra.pw/bogutavase.yaml
[16:42] <jwash> tomyren yes, my harware is compatible
[16:42] <jwash> i have iommu outputs
[16:42] <tomreyn> and you're using nouveau and a graphics card which works with it?
[16:42] <jwash> yes
[16:43] <jwash> take a look at the hastebin
[16:43] <tomreyn> the url you posted redirects to the main page for me
[16:43] <jwash> https://hastebin.skyra.pw/bogutavase.yaml
[16:43] <tomreyn> that's the same url aagain
[16:43] <jwash> it works for me
[16:43] <tomreyn> good!
[16:45] <jwash> https://imgur.com/6h6Pgz6.png
[16:45] <jwash> https://imgur.com/PHy31mz.png
[16:45] <jwash> still not working on your end?
[16:46] <jwash> how would you set up the recovery disk? is there a recovery distro you'd use/
[16:46] <tomreyn> i'm able to access both of these images
[16:47] <jwash> but not the hastebin url?
[16:47] <jwash> weird
[16:47] <jwash> clearly shows working in the screenshots
[16:47] <tomreyn> i can access that, too, it just redirects me to the front page.
[16:48] <tomreyn> i was accessing through tor, if that matters
[16:48] <jwash> regardles, i know to do screenshots
[16:49] <jwash> i'm plugged into the bottom slot on my motherboard
[16:49] <jwash> do you know how i'd verify which cpu to blacklist?
[16:49] <jwash> which gpu is currently outputting to my monitors and which one isn't
[16:53] <tomreyn> jwash: xrandr --listactivemonitors    may help hthere
[16:54] <tomreyn> add --verbose
[16:55] <tomreyn> actually, adding --verbose seems to override the previous argument
[16:56] <jwash> https://text.is/X0WV
[16:56] <jwash> can you see that
[16:57] <jwash> https://text.is/Y3X1
[16:59] <younder> You guy's got balls I give you that. I'd conduct my 'experiments' on PI's. Easy to swap micro ssd's after all.
[17:00] <tomreyn> jwash: i can access both and see what you (likely) posted. the 'raw' 'export' output is useable, since it uses a monotype font.
[17:01] <jwash> damn, you made me think that i was doing something wrong
[17:01] <jwash> that's why you couldn't see hastebin
[17:02] <tomreyn> jwash: i think you would need to go through nouveau initialization in the systemd journal to see which of your same-model dgpu's are connected where
[17:15] <tomreyn> jwash: this guide you're following isn't going to work for you if you plan to keep using one of the same-model dGPUs assigned to the host, and passthrough the other one to the guest system. that's because it fully blacklists nouveau + snd_hda_intel. the author of the guide has a (different model) integrated intel gpu (in the CPU) which enables them to keep managing the host with it. maybe you have this, too, but the other dedicated nvidia card
[17:15] <tomreyn> would fallback to failsafe graphics / vesa mode with this guide, at best.
[17:25] <mutaz> hi
[17:29] <jwash> tomreyn would one possible solution to be to install the proprietary nvidia driver first?
[17:32] <jwash> or, i have a amd graphics card i can add too
[17:33] <tomreyn> jwash: i don't think so. if you want one of the two nvidia dgpus to remain useable on the host and the other on the guest, then you'll need to first disconnect one of the two off the host and only then load the driver for the remaining dgpu on the host. but this will likely need some testing and that can be difficult in case you do not also have an igpu using a different driver.
[17:34] <jwash> i can remove one of them and add in a ati graphics card instead
[17:34] <jwash> work from the ati card
[17:34] <jwash> Do ATI cards use nouveau also?
[17:35] <gordonjcp> jwash: no
[17:35] <shoes> no they do not.
[17:36] <Sassa> hi
[17:36] <gordonjcp> jwash: nouveau is only for nvidia cards
[17:37] <gordonjcp> jwash: the AMD equivalent is amdgpu
[17:37] <jwash> hmm, let me add it in
[17:37] <gordonjcp> nouveau is okayish for games but has no CUDA support
[17:37] <gordonjcp> amdgpu is okayish for games but has no OpenCL support
[17:38] <gordonjcp> so you can forget doing for example any video work
[17:51] <tomreyn> i just read that driverctl  (package and command)  can help (by creating suitable udev rules) with vfio passthrough with same model GPUs.
[17:57] <jwash> tomreyn: cool, do you have the link?
[17:59] <tomreyn> sure. apt:driverctl
[18:00] <tomreyn> i read it on reddit somewhere, can't find that link anymore. but there was little context to it.
[18:01] <tomreyn> ah, this https://www.reddit.com/r/VFIO/comments/vpwjch/gpu_passthrough_of_the_same_model_with_same_id/
[18:20] <RickyRat5005> I am getting "the keyring did not get unlocked" when I boot up and log in... I am running 24.04 Is this a known bug or something I should report?
[18:20] <pragmaticenigma> RickyRat5005: Did you change your user password?
[18:20] <RickyRat5005> No.
[18:21] <RickyRat5005> And I am not using automatic log in.
[18:22] <RickyRat5005> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-keyring/+bug/2060575
[18:22] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 2060575 in gdm3 (Ubuntu) "gnome-keyring fails to automatically unlock login keyring after recent updates in noble" [Undecided, Confirmed]
[18:22] <RickyRat5005> This may be it!
[18:23] <pragmaticenigma> nice find
[18:23] <RickyRat5005> Well I should have searched better first! :-)
[18:24] <tomreyn> please use #ubuntu-next for 24.04 until release
[18:26] <RickyRat5005> I don't understand what the status of "Won't fix" means...
[18:26] <RickyRat5005> If it's a confirmed bug, why wouldn't they fix it...??!!
[18:26] <ravage> the bug is not in the gnome-keyring package
[18:26] <younder> Vulcan allows you to run compute shaders. They can be used as a stand in for CUDA. YMMV
[18:27] <younder> Of cource the GPU has to run Vulcan.
[18:28] <tomreyn> younder: are you responding to someone there?
[18:29] <younder> tomreyn: gordonjcp
[18:30] <tomreyn> i see!
[18:30] <younder> Anyhow rules out NVIDA ampere, hopper and blackwell series
[18:38] <tomreyn> RickyRat5005: if you look at the table on top of this bug report, you'll see it supposedly "affects" two packages (/ softwares), gdm3 and gnome-keyring. the latest update, which you were probably referring to, by Marco, assigns the bug to himself for the affected package gdm3, and changes the bug status to "Won't Fix" for the (supposedly) affected package gnome-keyring. that's basically him declaring "i know where this needs to be fixed, it's in
[18:38] <tomreyn> gdm3, and not in gnome-keyring, and i'll take care of it".
[19:39] <bhola> Hi. I am looking for some help updating my very old PC stick running Ubuntu 17.10. How I can upgrade it to latest ubuntu? sudo apt update throwing errors as cannot reach ip address/URLs. Reinstalling from scratch is not an option ata the moment.
[19:40] <pragmaticenigma> bhola: can you... yes... should you... probably not
[19:40] <pragmaticenigma> the old servers are archived and upgrading requries manual changes to your sources to point at the archvie servers all the way up until you get the latest release
[19:41] <pragmaticenigma> bhola: I would recommend backing up the device and your files and doing a fresh install.
[19:42] <bhola> pragmaticenigma, Why not give it a try? Please let me some hints or online tutorial to give it a shot.
[19:42] <pragmaticenigma> bhola: because there were a lot of significant archectural changes to Ubuntu since 17.10... and a lot of things are not going to easily upgrade
[19:43] <bprompt> bhola: why is installing from scratch not an option btw?
[19:44] <bhola> There are no special data on it. The reason I don't want a fresh install is, this stick got a 32bit UEFI with 64bit processor and I can recall it was a mess at the time when I installed it about 5-6 years ago.
[19:45] <pragmaticenigma> it's going to get even messier trying to update it
[19:46] <bhola> pragmaticenigma, Right. So is there an easy way to do it if I go for fresh install? Is it possible with the latest Ubuntu to deal with this compatibility issue?
[19:47] <bprompt> bhola: hmmmm what do you mean by "this stick"?   as in an USB stick?
[19:47] <bprompt> I mean, a machine with UEFI can't be too old
[19:47] <bhola> pragmaticenigma, BTW why not give it a try? If it all gets messed up, I will go for fresh install.
[19:48] <bhola> It is MeegoPad T02 stick.
[19:49] <bhola> I want to use it for 3d print server and want to install Octoprint on it.
[19:50] <bhola> I tried do-release-upgrade but it says no new version available.
[19:51] <pragmaticenigma> bhola: there is no "one" straight forward way to guide you on this journey. especially as your device gets more complicated with each detail you drop about it.
[19:51] <akik> bprompt: i think he means the stick is the computer
[19:51] <bprompt> bhola: well, compatibility wise, we're talking 7 years of updates and changes, I'd say the probability for a mess, is around 90%
[19:51] <bprompt> akik: right
[19:52] <bhola> bprompt, Yes iT is a PC in the form of a stick.
[19:52] <bprompt> bhola: hmmm sounds like some raspberryPI of some type
[19:52] <ioria> bhola, you need a 'special' sources.list
[19:53] <bhola> bprompt, yes. sort of.
[19:53] <ioria> bhola, something like this: https://termbin.com/i0vx
[19:54] <bhola> ioria, OK. Can you please shed some more light as how to do it. I am an expert in linux but got a basic to intermediate know-how of it.
[19:54] <bprompt> bhola: why you never did a distro-upgrade before btw? I mean, like going from 17.10, which became EOL in 1 year, to 18.04 and so on?
[19:55] <ioria> bhola, backup your /etc/apt/sources.list; replace with the text above; run apt update and apt full-upgrade
[19:56] <ioria> bhola, cd /etc/apt; sudo cp sources.list sources.list.back;
[19:56] <bhola> bprompt, I never used it after that. Now a need arose and I remembered I got a small PC which is best for the job.
[19:56] <bprompt> bhola: what ioria is saying, you're getting " but it says no new version available."  Let me see if the sourses.list is same as ioria has mentioned
[19:58] <bhola> bprompt, Yes. That is correct.
[19:58] <bprompt> heheh, well then
[19:58] <bprompt> bhola: I think pragmaticenigma's suggestion stands in good grounds :)
[19:59] <bhola> bprompt, that is fresh install?
[20:00] <bprompt> bhola: yeap, what are you losing?  I wouldn't lose nothing if I mess up upgrading it. If it fails I will try to install fresh
[20:01] <pragmaticenigma> bhola: you're basing your past experience with difficulties in the UEFI to CPU-arch on information you had from several years ago, and are assuming the installer hasn't been updated in all that time to correct that issue. You'd be better off backing up the device, and doing the fresh install to see if it works. If it works, you've spent far less time tinkering around with updating the sources.list file several times to get to the latest
[20:01] <pragmaticenigma> release. If it doesn't work, you restore your backup and then come back for additional help
[20:02] <bprompt> bhola: or you can do a fresh install and be happy in 24 hours :)
[20:05] <bhola> hmmm. Actually while going through web search based on my aging memory about this device, I found out that I needed to install something like grub ia32 efi32 i386 type package which is for 32 bit UEFI and then it will load 64bit OS in turn.
[20:05] <bprompt> bhola: you can do a "right turn" by doing three lefts, yes, however you can achieve it as well by just turning right in the first place, both have the same outcome, one is just quicker :)
[20:05] <pragmaticenigma> bhola, since 2017 there has been at least two major changes to the Ubuntu installer
[20:07] <bhola> pragmaticenigma, Yes I can remember, It used to use Ubiquity and now it uses something different. Is this what you are talking about?
[20:08] <bprompt> bhola: maybe the major changes added support for your device now, and you may not need to do all that rigamarole you had before with an older version
[20:09] <bprompt> bhola: 32 UEFI with a 64bit single-cpu isn't that unusual, I think Acer Aspire were like that, or some of their models
[20:10] <bhola> bprompt, You know what, I am not in a hurry and I also want to learn something during this process. I want to go for the upgrade route first. If it fails I will go for fresh install.
[20:11] <pragmaticenigma> There's still manufacturers doing that bprompt
[20:11] <akik> asus t100 had that
[20:12] <bhola> bprompt, You are right. There were a number of devices with this configuration and people were cursing the hidden alliance of Microsoft and Manufacturers of these devices.
[20:12] <bprompt> bhola: so you see, your hardware specs aren't that exotic, and support for 32bit UEFI and 64bit cpus is there, but you seem eager for the upgrade =)
[20:13] <pragmaticenigma> since I'm done with this...  The reason most of us are unwilling, is the time commitment to all the issues that are going to come up for you.
[20:13] <pragmaticenigma> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[20:13] <bhola> pragmaticenigma, Yes. The only reason is to learn something during this process.
[20:14] <bhola> pragmaticenigma, Thanks for the link. I will go through it and be back here if need more help.
[20:14] <bprompt> bhola: if you want more learning, why not install 24.04 right now?  that way you can report bugs before its release :P
[20:15] <pragmaticenigma> i'm going to go on a limb and suggest that particular use case is better suited to the presently supported 22.04 LTS release, until 24.04 is officially release
[20:16] <pragmaticenigma> with an upgrade path... printers are a pain -in-the-butt on their own... best not to complicate it with a beta test OS
[20:16] <bhola> bprompt, I am not that expert in linux to find bugs. But I am also going prepare a linux live bootable usb, just in case.
[20:17] <bprompt> bhola: so it won't work, then you'll say "ohhh man, you were right" and you'll be eager to send us some money through PayPal, however we'll say no, is cool, you don't have :P
[20:17] <bprompt> bhola: hmmm the LiveUSB is not an option per se, is part  of the installation
[20:17] <pragmaticenigma> bhola: the most important thing, regardless of the path you choose... Please, for the love of Tux, make a backup!
[20:18] <bprompt> no need for a backup on an drive that has been picking up dust for 7 years
[20:18] <pragmaticenigma> you never know
[20:18] <bprompt> I mean, I guess you can backup the dust and lint
[20:18] <bhola> Buy the way I want to install a very light distro which is easy on this weak PC with access to latest packages. Is ununtu a good candidate. At the moment it is only CLI based Ubuntu installed. I think it is Ubuntu Server. It runs pretty good and fast.
[20:19] <pragmaticenigma> It should be fine
[20:19] <pragmaticenigma> if not, there's always Raspberry Pi OS as an option
[20:20] <bhola> So I will go for ubuntu server 24.04 which is without GUI.
[20:21] <bhola> Raspberry Pi OS cannot be installed on it because my cpu is Intel and Raspberry Pi uses ARM core.
[20:21] <pragmaticenigma> bhola: Raspberry Pi OS has x86_64 flavors.. always has
[20:23] <bhola> pragmaticenigma, Is it available on Raspberry pi website?
[20:23] <pragmaticenigma> https://www.raspberrypi.com/software/operating-systems/ at the bottom of the page
[20:23] <pragmaticenigma> labelled Raspberry Pi Desktop
[20:23] <pragmaticenigma> I missed on the 64bit part... they offer 32 bit only
[20:24] <bhola> yes. I have also noticed that it is 32bit.
[20:25] <pragmaticenigma> I was thinking of a different distro I use, MXLinux
[20:26] <bhola> MXLinux is also very good distro. It runs very good. Still running on my PC.
[20:28] <bprompt> bhola: https://3dprintscape.com/how-to-install-octopi-on-a-raspberry-pi-for-octoprint-setup/
[20:33] <bhola> bprompt, Thanks. I will do it once I have got the latest OS.
[20:34] <bprompt> last I checked, you can print a sandwich on a 3dprinter, is not as tasty though
[20:35] <bhola> bprompt, I am not hungry. :)
[20:36] <bprompt> bhola: just another helpful tip =), it may taste better than cardboard though
[20:38] <bhola> bprompt, sigh. my bad. I never tried cardboard though.How does it taste like? :)
[20:40] <bprompt> bhola: ahhh, like cardboard I'd think, looks like a decent stick btw
[20:40] <arraybolt3> bhola: plastic generally tastes better IME
[20:40]  * arraybolt3 used to chew on plastic beads as if they were gum back when I was little... :face_palm:
[20:41] <bhola> arraybolt3, hahaha I believe you. There is nothing like personal experience.
[20:43] <bhola> pragmaticenigma, bprompt sources.list changed and issued update command. Spitting out a lot of text. Lets see how it goes.
[20:43] <bprompt> bhola: cross your "legs"
[20:44] <bhola> bprompt, I have. looks like fingers wouldn't do.
[20:48] <bhola> bprompt, I am a bit confused. The kernel image is with "-generic" ta the end. Am I running Desktop or Server? How to confirm it?
[20:49] <bprompt> me hits google really fast
[20:51] <bhola> according to this ubuntu update guide it is mentioning linux-image-server for servers and linux-image-generic for Desktop. I know I have no gui installed so I thought it was server.
[20:51] <bprompt> bhola: well,, no GUI simply means "headless" doesn't mean server per se
[20:52] <bprompt> you can run a desktop "headless" too
[20:52] <bhola> right. so I go for -generic then.
[20:55] <bprompt> bhola: just to run octoprint? sure, I don't think you need the server version just for that
[20:55] <bhola> yes. at the moment I just need octoprint
[20:58] <bhola> is there a better option?
[20:59] <bprompt> bhola: since I don't run it, or eat plastic sandwiches, dunno
[20:59] <bprompt> I mean, haven't done much research on 3dPrinting apps
[21:03] <bhola> bprompt, You know what? I had actually forgotton my username and passowrd and root password. Going through search I found a way and discovered my username and reset the password for my username. I had to spend about 1hour but learned something which is valuable.
[21:05] <bprompt> bhola: right, well, we could have told you that, maybe the missing username and passwords are being premonitious :)
[21:09] <bhola> bprompt, no it wasn't. :)
[22:43] <jadeia> Hi all - on Ubuntu 22.04 LTS, when I download a  .deb file and install it through software center, is it being installed as a SNAP?
[22:43] <devslash> no
[22:44] <jadeia> Perfect. I am reading mixed signals about 24.04 - is it true this will no longer be possible (to install a deb).
[22:44] <devslash> thats what I've heard. Hope thats not true Iדןגקךםשג גקנ כןךקד כרםצ אןצק אם אןצק
[22:45] <devslash> thats what I've heard. Hope that's not true since I side load from time to time
[22:46] <jadeia> Yeh I'm worried - can't seem to find a decent article review about it. Most articles these days are just AI copyspin.
[22:46] <jadeia> Example - Steam is really stable sideloaded.
[22:54] <jadeia> Also I read a comment from a beta tester that they could no longer find things like extensions in the software app (Gnome Tweaks, Extension Manager, etc). They had to manually enable flatpak and then had to deal with 2 Software Center apps. Again, it's just from reading comments as I've not beta tested myself.
[22:55] <jadeia> I'm not against Snaps either - but I value simplicity and flexibility. 22.04 has by far been my favourite OS ever to date. Lucky the long LTS support means I can stick with it if the next version has some stuff I don't like.


[01:09] <studio-user464> lastest updates have messed up wifi additional drivers and samba connections to win7 shares.....  was working fanstasticly
[01:10] <studio-user464> I'm at a loss to find the differences
[01:26] <Eickmeyer> studio-user464: For things like that, try the #ubuntu channel since that's not really something very Ubuntu Studio specific, and since Ubuntu Studio is merely a customized Ubuntu, you'll probably get some help there faster than here.
[01:45] <studio-user464> Thanx Erick
[02:31] <studio-user707> i have a problem whit tp-link821nd
[02:32] <studio-user707> the drivers not fonud
[02:34] <studio-user707> I have a problem with the tp-link adapter, the drivers do not work correctly
[02:37] <studio-user707> the drivers not fonud [23:34] <studio-user707> I have a problem with the tp-link adapter, the drivers do not work correctly
[02:37] <studio-user707> the drivers not fonud [23:34] <studio-user707> I have a problem with the tp-link adapter, the drivers do not work correctly
[02:37] <studio-user707> the drivers not fonud [23:34] <studio-user707> I have a problem with the tp-link adapter, the drivers do not work correctly
[02:37] <studio-user707> the drivers not fonud [23:34] <studio-user707> I have a problem with the tp-link adapter, the drivers do not work correctly
[02:47] <Eickmeyer> !patience | studio-user707
[02:48] <Eickmeyer> Also, the #ubuntu channel might be able to help with your issue better since it's not specific enough to Ubuntu Studio.
[03:06] <studio-user707> 0
[04:32] <garyrust> ?
[09:17] <studio-user851> hallo zusammen
[09:18] <studio-user851> mein idjc läuft nich, bzw. statet nicht..
[09:19] <studio-user851> ich habe alles versucht, nochmal neu instlliert, sobald ich starte macht er nix???
[16:51] <sirriffsalothp> MIXING A NEW TRACK, WOULD APPRECIATE MIXING-FEEDBACK :) https://www.dropbox.com/s/8etwszhmgrb1gd8/WMB_mixtest04.mp3?dl=0


[13:26] <debarshi> I can see some newer (ie. 2.6.34 and 2.6.35) kernel builds for 10.04 on the kernel team's PPA. Are you planning to rebase the kernel for 10.04 to a newer upstream release?
[13:59] <debarshi> Does this https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta-lts-backport-maverick/<IP_ADDRESS>.34 indicate that you have finally decided to provide backported kernels for LTS releases?
[14:00] <debarshi> Can I expect that in some finite amount of time I will see a 2.6.35 in 10.04's official repositories?
[15:36] <cooloney> Linus has announced the 2.6.37-rc1 release from his Cambridge hotel room and closed the merge window for this release
[15:49] <pmatulis> what is system_call_fastpath for?
[15:50] <pmatulis> i'm seeing repeated (2 so far) soft lockups just after this is called
[15:50] <pmatulis> system_call_fastpath+0x16/0x1b
[15:54] <jk-> pmatulis: do you have a full backtrace?
[15:54] <pmatulis> jk-: i have 4 pictures
[15:54] <pmatulis> jk-: the system actually becomes unresponsive
[15:54] <jk-> pmatulis: ok, is there a bug?
[15:55] <jk-> (filed)
[15:55] <tseliot> apw: what's the best way to get (or set up) a mainline build of drm-radeon-testing? We do it with drm-next already
[15:55] <pmatulis> jk-: not yet.  i'm looking in LP right now
[15:55] <jk-> pmatulis: cool, let us know the bug number once it's in
[15:56] <pmatulis> jk-: fair enough
[17:56] <pgraner> apw, http://photos.pixoulphotography.com/Events/UDS-Natty/14450330_Xqidv#1072557608_eyEPF
[18:03] <amorphous1> Hello folks, can you tell me if you need more information on this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lm-sensors-3/+bug/668413
[18:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 668413 in lm-sensors-3 (Ubuntu) "Fan malfunction on Lenovo 3000 N100. (affects: 1) (heat: 1078)" [Undecided,New]
[18:04] <mjg59> amorphous1: Should be filed against the kernel
[18:07] <amorphous1> originally  it was filed by running "ubuntu-bug linux-image-2.6.32-25-generic"
[18:07] <mjg59> It's not an lm-sensors bug
[18:08] <amorphous1> yes, so can I change the "Affects" tab?
[18:14] <jk-> amorphous1: yes, you want it to affect the 'linux' project
[18:16] <amorphous1> jk-, done
[18:16] <jk-> amorphous1: great, thanks
[18:56] <apw> tgardner, git fetch ssh+git://zinc.ubuntu.com/~apw/git/ubuntu-natty
[18:56] <apw> tgardner, git fetch ssh+git://zinc.ubuntu.com/~apw/git/ubuntu-natty  rtg
[19:08] <komputes> can someone please have a look at this suspend/hibernate issue - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/669586
[19:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 669586 in linux (Ubuntu) "Thinkpad X61-tablet (7764CTO) crash during sleep, hibernate, resume (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[19:55] <JFo> lag, http://photos.pixoulphotography.com/Events/UDS-Natty
[19:55] <lag> JFo: Thanks
[19:55] <JFo> no problem
[20:14] <lag> apw: et al: Is there a way of diffing two repos?
[20:15] <jk-> lag: two git repos? dirdiff repo1/ repo2/
[20:16] <jk-> (or maybe without the slashes...)
[20:18] <lag> jk-: I'd rather just see the logs if that's possible?
[20:31] <apw> tgardner, git fetch ssh+git://zinc.ubuntu.com/~apw/git/ubuntu-natty rtg
[21:20] <jk-> tgardner, apw: http://ozlabs.org/~jk/projects/nfsim/
[21:31] <JFo> apw, care to have a quick look at bug 669641 ?
[21:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 669641 in systemtap (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "systemtap fails to discover installed debug modules (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/669641
[21:31] <JFo> it looks like a naming issue
[21:31] <JFo> and there is a script proposed as a workaround... possibly


[03:31] <mup> PR operator#895 opened: Reenable alertmanager-operator tests now that charm is fixed on ops 2.0 <Created by benhoyt> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/895>
[04:06] <mup> PR operator#895 closed: Reenable alertmanager-operator tests now that charm is fixed on ops 2.0 <Created by benhoyt> <Merged by benhoyt> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/895>


[02:30] <newz2000> knome: would love to hear the results. My brief test looked a bit depressing. :-(
[02:30] <newz2000> cjohnston: sorry, no new info since I fired off that email. Lets see what the clever people on the list say and tomorrow when beta's dust settles I'll bounce my ideas off the sysadmins.
[02:31] <newz2000> I'll be in London the week after next so I can hopefully interface with them in more detail if necessary.
[02:36] <knome> newz2000, he haven't replied yet. it's 4:30am here.
[02:36] <newz2000> I was kind of surprised to see you reply a bit ago. :-)
[02:36] <newz2000> This is not a rush, we have a month
[02:37] <newz2000> and that deadline is self imposed even
[02:37] <knome> you remember rime, right? :) you know he can do wonders.
[02:37] <newz2000> indeed I do.
[02:49] <cjohnston> newz2000: take me with you


[06:35] <Trevinho> flexiondotorg: so https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/615/appindicator-support/ seems to work well for appindicators here, not sure for electron apps though
[06:38] <Trevinho> Mmh, not sure how I will able to live with all this wasted space though... http://imgur.com/eLZO2Rs.png
[06:39] <ochosi> Trevinho: sorry to hijack, but what's the plan with indicators in the post-unity world? will you still maintain/use them? we in xubuntu always found them useful and ship them in our default install, but we probably can't maintain them (no manpower)
[06:40] <Trevinho> ochosi: eh.... good question :-)
[06:40] <Trevinho> ochosi: I think we need to figure that out in next week meeting
[06:40] <ochosi> i see
[06:40] <ochosi> just as my 2 cents, i would love it if they survived
[06:41] <ochosi> or maybe you can generalize them somehow and get them into other distros as well
[06:41] <ochosi> but anyway, i'll try to follow your meeting or ask again in 2 weeks
[06:58] <duflu> $ reboot
[07:17] <flexiondotorg> Morning desktopers
[07:17] <flexiondotorg> Trevinho Morning. Nice find.
[07:17] <flexiondotorg> I'll give it a test.
[07:27] <flexiondotorg> Trevinho also:
[07:27] <flexiondotorg> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/plotinus-hud-menu-search-gtk3-apps
[07:27] <flexiondotorg> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/global-menu-for-gnome-extension-development
[07:27] <Trevinho> ochosi: I guess we need to support app-indicators, though... So an extension like the one above could be in.
[07:27] <flexiondotorg> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/adwaita-theme-smaller-title-bars
[07:29] <Trevinho> flexiondotorg: nice.... I guess we need to define what in and what out... That global menu ext doesn't look to be the nicest, but... We can hack it in case. But still, unless we don't have a proper plan...
[07:29] <flexiondotorg> All ideas right now, but useful references.
[07:30] <duflu_> flexiondotorg, the smaller titlebars would appear to undo Gnome's touch-ability...
[07:30] <duflu_> Depends if that's something you want.
[07:31] <duflu_> Windows 10 is in the same boat - touch friendly (too big) or not
[07:31] <flexiondotorg> duflu_ Adwaita is still there for those with touch displays :-)
[07:31] <duflu_> flexiondotorg: So where's that desktop slider? :)
[07:32] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:33] <duflu> Morning seb128
[07:33] <seb128> hey duflu flexiondotorg Trevinho
[07:33] <Trevinho> morning seb128
[07:33] <Trevinho> hei duflu
[07:33] <duflu> Hi Trevinho. I hope you are at least by the pool/beach
[07:34] <Trevinho> duflu: in fact unity8 had  a pretty nice design to support that.... We can push upstream to do something like we were doing, so changing the theme state depending on the UX jurney
[07:34] <flexiondotorg> Morning seb128. How's things?
[07:34] <seb128> flexiondotorg, good! you?
[07:34] <flexiondotorg> Not bad. Up late SRU'ing Ubuntu MATE bugs ;-)
[07:35] <duflu> Trevinho, or volcano, or...
[07:37] <Trevinho> duflu: no... Just normal coworking space today
[07:37] <duflu> Sure, let's call the pool bar "coworking space"
[07:37] <Trevinho> flexiondotorg: I guess we've to SRU that issue too for compiz...
[07:38] <Trevinho> duflu: see... Just some jungle in the back...  https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/vxkHqYEi/20170420_153722_HDR.jpg
[07:39] <duflu> oic
[07:47] <flexiondotorg> Trevinho Would be most appreciated.
[07:55] <muktupavels> Trevinho: can you review few compiz merge proposals?
[07:55] <muktupavels> https://code.launchpad.net/~muktupavels/compiz/lp1530277/+merge/321647
[07:55] <muktupavels> https://code.launchpad.net/~muktupavels/compiz/require-libmetacity-3-22/+merge/322370
[07:55] <muktupavels> https://code.launchpad.net/~muktupavels/compiz/fix-initial-server-frame-position/+merge/322817
[08:02] <Laney> morning
[08:06] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you?
[08:07] <Laney> hey seb128
[08:08] <Laney> I'm ok, went climbing for the first time again last night
[08:08] <Laney> after the shoulder injury
[08:08] <Laney> wasn't toooo bad
[08:09] <Laney> then we went to folk club and saw a cool band!
[08:09] <Laney> was a guest night
[08:09] <Laney> what about you?
[08:10] <seb128> sounds like a nice evening
[08:10] <seb128> I'm good, didn't do anything special yesterday evening though, just watched some tv and read
[08:10] <seb128> today is sunny though and I've tennis at 5pm
[08:11] <Laney> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUnnQ4Ki0R8 this band
[08:13] <seb128> nice music
[08:17] <Trevinho> hey Laney
[08:19] <Laney> hi Trevinho
[08:19] <Laney> you good?
[08:19] <duflu> Morning Laney
[08:19] <Trevinho> hey Laney yeah... all good. last night went to a couple of bars... Made some new friends :-)
[08:19] <Trevinho> Laney: nice music indeed, tho
[08:20] <Laney> bad head today?
[08:20] <Laney> hey duflu
[08:21] <Laney> what's up?
[08:22] <Laney> Trevinho: this one is nice too https://youtu.be/FpJqv4b398o
[08:22]  * Laney got gnome-shell to build in jhbuild finally /o\
[08:22]  * Laney stabs libtool
[08:22] <Trevinho> Laney: "bad head" was for me me? :-)
[08:22] <Laney> yep
[08:22] <Trevinho> Laney: no, no... alllllright
[08:23] <Trevinho> but last night I also got up to watch Champions League... Which here is at 2:45 :|
[08:23] <flexiondotorg> Morning Laney muktupavels
[08:23] <Trevinho> Almost slept the final part
[08:23] <Laney> /o\
[08:23] <Laney> hi flexiondotorg
[08:33] <muktupavels> hi flexiondotorg
[08:43] <duflu> What is "a Champions League"?
[08:43]  * duflu ducks
[08:43] <ahayzen> Hi, anyone else noticed with Ubuntu GNOME 17.04, after clicking shutdown the dialog that has three options (cancel, restart, power off). It takes *two* clicks to select any of the buttons? And Esc doesn't work until you click somewhere in the dialog, seems focus is not been given to the dialog?  Anyone know which project I should report against ?
[08:46] <flexiondotorg> jbicha ^
[08:47] <Laney> I'd start with gnome-shell. It can be reassigned if necessary.
[08:48] <flexiondotorg> Laney, have you seen that MAC randomisation in Network Manager is creating havoc?
[08:48] <flexiondotorg> Not just Ubuntu.
[08:48] <flexiondotorg> This has been an issue in every distro shipping Network Manager 1.4
[08:48] <flexiondotorg> Here is the LP bug - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1681513
[08:49] <flexiondotorg> I've had loads of reports of wifi being completely broken :-(
[08:52] <flexiondotorg> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=836351
[08:53] <Laney> Nope
[08:53] <Laney> I don't know a single solitary thing about that feature
[08:54] <Laney> The Debian bug is fixed though?
[08:54] <ahayzen> Laney, thanks, i've reported bug 1684510 for now
[08:54] <Laney> ahayzen: cool beans
[08:55] <flexiondotorg> Laney Well is was fixed in nm 1.4 in Debian by cherry picking some commits. But the change logs don't say what.
[08:55] <flexiondotorg> They are now using nm 1.6.
[08:56] <Laney> flexiondotorg: Presumably the diff would
[08:56]  * Laney feeds alioth some more hamsters
[08:58] <Laney> https://anonscm.debian.org/git/pkg-utopia/network-manager.git/commit/?id=0bb216356b69f2df305b921c9e38a0a2bb502c4d
[09:01] <duflu> Boo. The Pinebook specs just got refreshed/finalized and they changed IPS LCD to a TN LCD
[09:02] <Laney> I think we have these patches.
[09:02] <duflu> Or maybe everyone just incorrectly assumed it was IPS when writing about it months ago
[09:08] <Laney> flexiondotorg: If those patches are already in 1.4.4, which it looks like they are, then I guess it didn't fully fix the bug? Try c_yphermox maybe. Not sure who's maintaining NM currently :/
[09:12] <Trevinho> muktupavels: so, if you want SRU them too, we need a bug for those fix branches
[09:12] <Trevinho> muktupavels: if not... well, I need to wait before landing them
[09:13] <muktupavels> Trevinho: I dont want to SRU them, just get review.
[09:15] <Trevinho> muktupavels: well, this at least https://code.launchpad.net/~muktupavels/compiz/fix-initial-server-frame-position/+merge/322817 is going to be SRUed probably, even to Xenial, so...
[09:15] <Trevinho> please open a bug at least for that :-)
[09:17] <muktupavels> Trevinho: I don't like to open/write bug reports... maybe flexiondotorg can do that as that affects also MATE.
[09:18] <flexiondotorg> Sure, I'll take a look a bit later...
[09:21] <flexiondotorg> I'll create an SRU bug for https://code.launchpad.net/~muktupavels/compiz/fix-initial-server-frame-position/+merge/322817
[09:21] <flexiondotorg> muktupavels Question for you.
[09:22] <flexiondotorg> If the upstream MATE team were interested in making Metacity a first class citizen in MATE, would you welcome that?
[09:22] <muktupavels> yes, why not?
[09:22] <flexiondotorg> Something we discussed in the team is updating mate-settings-daemon so it fully supports Metacity.
[09:23] <flexiondotorg> With a potential goal of dropping Marco and using Metacity as the default WM in MATE.
[09:23] <Trevinho> muktupavels: well, I don't like that too... But you know, it's part of being a developer :-D
[09:23] <Trevinho> flexiondotorg: nobody will drop me! 😂
[09:24] <Trevinho> and... I'm not sure if I like or hate the fact that a project has my name... As I get pinged all the time you upload something... xD
[09:25] <flexiondotorg> muktupavels Just wanted to check that you don't see any potential issue with maintaining Metacity if it were to be the default WM in MATE too?
[09:29] <muktupavels> flexiondotorg: what issues? there might be more theme related changes - I want animation support for window decorations with GTK+...
[09:30] <muktupavels> if Metacity works for MATE then use it. :)
[09:30] <flexiondotorg> Excellent. Thanks muktupavels I'll let the team know you've agreed and we'll work on this :-)
[09:31] <muktupavels> gtk+ required version is not problem, right? At some point I will probably try to port it to GTK+ 4...
[09:32] <flexiondotorg> muktupavels Ahh, that might be an issue.
[09:33] <muktupavels> flexiondotorg: currenlty I have 3.19.8 as required version in configure.ac
[09:33] <flexiondotorg> So MATE support GTK 3.14 to GTK 3.22.
[09:33] <flexiondotorg> And, as a project, we're hoping to stay on GTK 3.22 for a good while.
[09:34] <Trevinho> flexiondotorg: if you can make https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz/+bug/1530277 also SRU friendly would be nice :-)
[09:35] <muktupavels> gtk+ 4 is not ready and probably it will take some time...
[09:35] <flexiondotorg> I don't see why Metacity moving to GTK4+ would be a problem for MATE though.
[09:35] <muktupavels> why 3.14 is supported version?
[09:35] <flexiondotorg> Some distros have it that really want MATE.
[09:36] <muktupavels> they want newest MATE but use old gtk+?
[09:36] <flexiondotorg> Apparently.
[09:36] <muktupavels> that part I will never understand...
[09:37] <flexiondotorg> We review the supported versions every few months and drop support for older releases.
[09:37] <flexiondotorg> I think we will soon require 3.22
[09:37] <muktupavels> ok, then gtk+ should not be problem. :)
[09:38] <muktupavels> metacity going to gtk+ 4 would also require gtk-window-decorator to do same...
[09:41] <Trevinho> When your car insurance company sends you the docs throught a link that points to an owncloud instance.... how's that? :-)
[09:42] <Trevinho> flexiondotorg: anyway, i trust you'll do the bug for that MP and I'm adding it to the SRU silo
[09:42] <duflu> muktupavels: Last time I looked at that it had GTK-2 dependencies still. Did someone get it to 3 at least?
[09:42] <duflu> I vaguely recall reading someone did it
[09:42] <muktupavels> dufu: gtk-window-decorator use gtk+ 3...
[09:42] <duflu> Cool
[09:43] <duflu> But not any more
[09:43] <muktupavels> ?
[09:43] <flexiondotorg> Trevinho Next on my list is those bugs.
[09:43] <flexiondotorg> duflu If you referring to MATE, it is GTK3 only now.
[09:44] <duflu> No, I meant gtk-window-decorator. But I'm recalling the state of the code from 2012
[09:52] <Laney> A golden year
[09:52] <Laney> I keep copies of 2012 code in my code cellar
[09:52] <Laney> 2016... not so much
[09:53] <davmor2> Laney: why would gnome-software tell me vim is installed when running it in terminal says it isn't?
[09:54] <Laney> dunno
[09:54] <Laney> what happens when you press launch?
[09:54] <davmor2> nothing
[09:56] <Laney> is gvim?
[09:56] <davmor2> Laney: imgur.com/a/UBkmH
[09:57] <davmor2> Laney: I'm thinking it is vim-tiny that is install but gnome-software is just lumping them all together
[09:58] <Laney> vim's desktop file is in a different package to vim itself
[09:58] <Laney> presumably that thing is installed
[09:58] <davmor2> Laney: right but if you search for vim that is the only file so far
[09:58] <muktupavels> Trevinho: fix initial server position commit also brings in metacity required version changes... that is most likely not wanted for SRU...
[09:59] <Laney> I'm aware that that is what you are seeing
[09:59] <Laney> what I am saying is an explanation of why that might be.
[10:01] <davmor2> Laney: yeap I'm just saying the thing sucks don't worry ;)  So I see neovim, gvim and that icon for vim itself.  So I'm assuming all terminal apps are hidden unless they have a launcher attached to them
[10:02] <Laney> Only desktop applications are shown
[10:03] <Laney> please just file a bug :-)
[10:11] <seb128> Laney, flexiondotorg, on that n-m issue we maybe need https://cgit.freedesktop.org/NetworkManager/NetworkManager/commit/?h=nm-1-4&id=cb18faf2df6b556cf2837001c62efbb5fbe2066b ?
[10:12] <willcooke> Hello from London
[10:12] <seb128> hey willcooke
[10:12] <willcooke> coming late to the party, is that n-m issue about MAC addresses changing?
[10:12] <willcooke> Seems like a bad default to me if it is.
[10:13] <Laney> Why's that?
[10:13] <Laney> seb128: Don't know. That looks more like a problem with users changing the setting to me, but it could be.
[10:13] <willcooke> Constantly changing MAC address makes for very difficult management on a network where IP addresses are reserved by MAC
[10:13] <willcooke> like at my house ;)
[10:14] <willcooke> and other networks I've managed during my life
[10:15] <Laney> I thought it just did it while scanning.
[10:16] <davmor2> hey willcooke
[10:17] <Laney> that's what the iOS stuff does anyway
[10:17] <Laney> and I thought this was more or less the same thing
[10:22] <Laney> Something on radio 4 about peeling mushrooms
[10:22] <Laney> I've never even heard of such a thing
[10:23] <seb128> https://cooking.stackexchange.com/questions/51917/why-should-or-shouldnt-i-peel-mushrooms
[10:24] <Laney> amazing
[10:24] <Laney> I didn't even know they could be peeled
[10:24] <Laney> would have thought that it would just make them break up into bits
[10:24] <Laney> what a world we live in today
[10:24] <seb128> I'm always unsure if they should be peeled or not, way they are too muddy I usually do that...
[10:24] <seb128> lol
[10:24] <seb128> way->when
[10:25] <Laney> going to try this next time
[10:25] <seb128> :-)
[10:26] <seb128> Trevinho, some SRU team members re-enforced recently that they would like SRU verification to include the package version/revision you tested and how you tested it, they might not like your "I'm running fixed version for some weeks in my trusty machine."
[10:28] <Trevinho> seb128: oh.... well, it's clear what's the version.. But ok, I was lazy to copy&paste
[10:28] <Trevinho> :-)
[10:28] <Trevinho> seb128: where's that policy though?
[10:29]  * Trevinho checks wiki..
[10:29] <Trevinho> and it has not much infos, like a pattern to follow... At this point having a template would be better
[10:30] <seb128> Trevinho, I think I read that on some ubuntu-devel@ recent discussion
[10:31] <Trevinho> ok, I see the 3rd
[10:31] <Trevinho> 3d
[12:11] <jbicha> the mac randomization is a useful feature but one problem is that there is no easy way to turn it off if it causes problems so I filed https://bugzilla.gnome.org/781295
[12:12] <jbicha> Windows 10 has that feature
[12:12] <jbicha> and good morning
[12:46] <seb128> Trevinho, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2017-March/039745.html is the email I was thinking about for SRUs details
[12:47] <seb128> "When marking "verification-done", please describe what packages were
[12:47] <seb128> tested and what versions. "
[12:48] <seb128> oh, I see that you replied but your email didn't reach the list
[13:33] <Laney> I think it'd be fair enough to ask rbasak (or someone) to update the wiki and/or messages from the tools if they decided to make that policy
[13:34]  * Laney checks the ubuntu-devel moderation queue
[13:34] <Laney> [1/60] [13:34] <Laney> :(
[13:36] <seb128> Laney, that's sort of what I just asked in my reply :-) (or maybe that was not clear from what I wrote, is that what you say?)
[13:36] <Laney> so much spam
[13:36] <Laney> no I didn't see any reply yet
[13:36] <seb128> I just sent it like 10 minutes ago
[13:37] <Laney> cool
[13:37] <Laney> From<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:37] <Laney> Subject:  Re: SRU quality and preventing regressions
[13:37] <Laney> found!
[13:38] <Trevinho> You guys ban me?
[13:38]  * Trevinho at dinner... Checking later
[13:39] <Laney> seb128: ok, saw it now, that's what I meant :-)
[13:39] <Laney> Trevinho: go away!
[13:39] <seb128> Laney, :-)
[13:39] <seb128> Trevinho, enjoy dinner
[13:39] <Laney> don't check later, check tmoorrow
[13:39] <seb128> Trevinho, you hit moderation queue, probably because you used @canonical rather than @ubuntu?
[13:40] <kenvandine> jbicha, do you have bzr branches for ubuntu GNOME packages?  Like gnome-shell?
[13:40] <seb128> Laney, k, he just replied saying he's going to jfdi :)
[13:40] <Laney> nice
[13:43] <jbicha> kenvandine: not pushed publicly any more, I was waiting for Debian pkg-gnome to convert from svn to git to use their branches
[13:44] <kenvandine> jbicha, ok, thanks
[13:44] <Laney> bahaha
[13:44] <kenvandine> i'm going to push some branches to ~ubuntu-desktop for now
[13:44] <Laney> that's one of those endless topics
[13:44] <kenvandine> Laney, yes... i heard :)
[13:45] <Laney> we kept trying to organise a pkg-gnome sprint to do this (amongst other things) but it never managed to quite happen yet
[13:45] <Laney> 2017: Year of the pkg-gnome git conversion!
[13:45] <kenvandine> Laney, maybe our next sprint
[13:45] <kenvandine> lol
[13:45] <kenvandine> Laney, we might have the proper motivation now
[13:46] <Laney> if we get some pkg-gnome guys along, then could be
[13:46] <jbicha> I think the pkg-gnome team is getting more interested in doing it this year
[13:47] <seb128> is there different options on how they can do it?
[13:47] <seb128> ik gbp style or not
[13:48] <seb128> I've no idea about git workflows, but we should maybe have somebody from our side who take interest, look at options and what would be best for us and try to participate in the discussions
[13:48] <seb128> unsure who would be interested in anyone
[13:48] <seb128> if
[13:49] <jbicha> well, basic default gbp style is different from dep14 and there's a couple places where dep14 gives options
[13:49] <jbicha> an example dep14 tree is at https://anonscm.debian.org/git/pkg-gnome/gnome-games.git/
[13:50] <seb128> is that what they lean toward atm?
[13:50] <seb128> I wonder if that's a case of "we are just going to have to play by the rules they come with"
[13:50] <jbicha> there's the question of whether it should be as Perfect as possible or if we should Get It Done and adapt things later
[13:50] <seb128> or if we should try to have a say/figure out what works best for us
[13:51] <jbicha> seb128: ask in #debian-gnome what they think about dep14 :)
[13:51] <Laney> I think that we should be a part of they.
[13:51] <Laney> and I already am to some extent :)
[13:51] <jbicha> when it was mentioned several weeks ago, nothing in pkg-gnome git was using dep14 yet really, but I converted my new packages over to it now
[13:52] <seb128> Laney, right, I agree with that, still it might be better to have one person looking at the issue than having a bunch of us joining now to ask stupid question and trying to join the discussion with slightly different opinions
[13:52] <seb128> that might be less constructive
[13:54] <jbicha> there's only a few heavy contributors to pkg-gnome so you just have to get them to agree with the plan, everyone else can adapt
[13:56] <seb128> I guess what I'm saying is "can we try to be pro-active to increase the chances to have a resulting workflow we are happy with"? They might pick something that most of our team find too tedious and which is going to mean less of us might want to work there
[13:57] <jbicha> my opinion is that it can't be worse than svn
[13:57] <seb128> we don't work in svn here
[13:57] <seb128> we have our own debian/ based vcs in bzr
[13:58] <seb128> anyway, not something we are going to sort out today and I need to move location, bbiab
[13:58] <jbicha> the git branches will have the full source but probably not full upstream commit history
[14:01] <Laney> soz, someone came to the door
[14:02] <Laney> I think most of the reasonable options are good and much better than SVN
[14:02] <Laney> and I expect to be helping out, especially if I can get to something like Debcamp/Debconf
[14:52] <ads20000> Would it be possible for Ubuntu Software to have a download link for Snaps which downloads the .snap and .assert for people to install Snaps offline?
[14:52] <ads20000> See https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/install-snap-files-offline/302/
[14:53] <ads20000> One could just use `snap download hello-world` but it would be better if there was a GUI to do this, would be even better if Ubuntu Software could handle installing at the other end (somehow installing the .snap and .assert) Deb-style
[14:56] <Laney> Seems niche and confusing
[15:15] <ads20000> Which is why I would prefer a third-party like uAppExplorer allow for downloading `.assert` files, but @ogra_ said it should be the software center app
[15:27] <dobey> i would expect that such a feature would not be implemented. and even if it were, the assertions have to be added in a non-obvious order
[15:29] <dobey> the snappy/server folks are quite against things other than snapd talking to the server
[16:37] <ryanleesipes> willcooke: Is 18.04 still going to be Snap-based?
[16:47] <willcooke> ryanleesipes, I think you're combining a couple of things there.  Classic Ubuntu desktop will be deb based.  I expect that we will be shipping some apps as snaps though.  But the main distro will still be deb based
[17:29] <Laney> nighty night


[00:24] <Tumie> tyche: i'm accepted as member of the dutch documentation team :D
[14:43] <Tumie> tyche: i'm now official a part of the dutch Ubuntu loco team
[14:44] <tyche> Congratulations.  I saw that you were also part of the documentation team.  Congratulations on both.
[15:22] <Tumie> tyche: i'm part of the documentation team, and the dutch version of the fridge.. (called ¨Het Prikbord" .. "The Clipboard" )
[15:26] <tyche> That's great, Tumie.  You're moving right along, there.
[21:36] <johnc4510> The new edition of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter #133 is out:
[21:36] <johnc4510> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue133
[22:12] <cody-somerville> w00t
[22:15] <johnc4510> :)


[00:00] <darkxst> we should change empathy to use GOA provider always when in gnome session?
[00:03] <jbicha> we don't block UOA from showing in gnome-control-center on gnome...
[00:04] <darkxst> perhaps we could fallback to GOA provider where UOA doesnt have account
[00:07] <darkxst> are the iso builds fully automatic now? or do they still require a manual bump to get started?
[00:08] <jbicha> it looks like something is broken, you should ask in #ubuntu-release
[00:44] <darkxst> new alpha2 candidate 20130724 is up now
[00:53] <darkxst> jbicha, does the background image work for you?
[00:53] <darkxst> I'm just getting a blue screen
[00:54] <darkxst> looks like its not actually set?
[00:55] <jbicha> I think it works after install
[01:05] <darkxst> something must be wiping the setting (casper perhaps)
[01:06] <jbicha> it did look like cjwatson went ahead and gave us the Ubuntu-style (purple) isolinux boot screen
[01:15] <darkxst> yeh, I wonder if that change is related
[02:06] <darkxst> jbicha, can you set bug 1196196 public
[02:10] <jbicha> done
[02:57] <darkxst> jbicha, created a MP that fixes bug 1196196, although the actuall g-c-c branch itself is not releasable due to ibus changes
[03:08] <roasted> does Gnome have the capability to scale on super high resolution screens with large DPIs?
[03:08] <darkxst> roasted, it is being worked on
[03:09] <roasted> is it something we'll see in the 3.x releases?
[03:09] <darkxst> roasted, http://blogs.gnome.org/alexl/2013/06/28/hidpi-support-in-gnome/
[03:10] <roasted> hm, that's interesting. Some Googling I did earlier made it sound like it would be beta in 4.0 and finally released in 5.0
[03:16] <darkxst> I imagine initial support will be in 3.10
[03:17] <darkxst> in fact the gtk+ side of things should be in 3.9.8 on staging
[03:18] <roasted> oh nice, that's great to know.
[03:18] <roasted> I just heard a KDE tablet is entering the FCC approval stages. I'm not entirely sold on KDE, and would love to see Gnome on a tablet, whether commercially available or just something a user can install.
[03:19] <roasted> That's what got me wondering about Gnome having that kind of DPI support with Ubuntu GNOME functionality on say, a Nexus tablet.
[03:21] <darkxst> http://gtk.10911.n7.nabble.com/HiDPI-stuff-partially-merged-td81644.html
[03:21] <darkxst> we are unlikely to have arm images anytime so though
[03:22] <darkxst> s/so/soon/
[03:23] <roasted> with Ubuntu GNOME?
[03:25] <darkxst> yeh, you would probably have to use an vanilla ubuntu image
[03:26] <roasted> So there won't be an Ubuntu GNOME specific ARM port?
[03:32] <darkxst> maybe it might happen one day, but certainly not in the near future
[03:33] <roasted> well, I thought there was already an ARM port for Ubuntu...
[03:34] <roasted> If that's the case I could slap in Gnome and be done with it.
[03:36] <darkxst> I don't think the ubuntu touch images use X...
[03:37] <darkxst> and obviously they will be moving to Mir anyway
[13:26] <Maple__> a
[15:40] <roasted> hello friends
[15:40] <roasted> I just installed today's daily build of 13.10. I see Ubuntu Online Accounts was removed?
[15:41] <roasted> Likewise, I went into Gnome Online Accounts and added Exchange, but when I open Evolution, it brings up the mail wizard and doesn't go right into Evolution with my Exchange account already plugged in like it did on a daily build I installed from a week or so ago
[15:49] <Dark_light> would it be possible to backport whatever the fix is on 13.10 to have just one online accounts manager to 13.04 ? (my best guess would be that some packages have just been recompiled to use gnome's online accounts)
[15:50] <roasted> this is a bummer
[15:50] <roasted> I just went off on a binge with KDE but felt like I wanted to use Gnome more, largely due to Exchange support.
[15:50] <roasted> Then I install 13.10 and it flat out isn't working.
[15:51] <Dark_light> well it is called alpha for a reason, what seems to be the problem?
[15:52] <Dark_light> roasted: ^
[15:52] <roasted> Dark_light: I know, but I have almost no choice, as kernel 3.8 causes my laptop to lock up several times a day.
[15:52] <roasted> If I want to use Ubuntu GNOME, I have little choice unless I want to reboot a half dozen times a day.
[15:53] <Dark_light> you can just upgrade the kernel
[15:53] <roasted> I could, but I never had Exchange integration working in 13.04 either
[15:53] <roasted> 13.10 it just magically worked
[15:53] <roasted> Plus, I have a Broadcom STA card that I cannot change since Lenovo sucks at life and whitelists their wifi cards at boot.
[15:53] <roasted> I assume I'd have to compile the STA driver against 3.10 on 13.04 to get it to work
[15:54] <roasted> but even then, I had no exchange integration working then either.
[15:54] <Dark_light> there are whitelisted bioses for lenovo's laptop you can find them online, anyway what seems to be the issue with 13.10?
[15:55] <Dark_light> s/whitelisted/modified
[15:55] <roasted> I looked, but didn't come up with any yet. I could look more but, eh, rainy day project.
[15:55] <roasted> when I fire up 13.10, I do what I did before
[15:55] <roasted> I'd go to GOA, add exchange, once done, open evolution, and like MAGIC everything was there.
[15:55] <Dark_light> (out of curiosity what model is it?)
[15:55] <roasted> But now when I open evolution it goes through the wizard asking me what imap account I want to add.
[15:55] <roasted> E430
[15:56] <Dark_light> I guess your best bet would be filing a bug and waiting for it to be fixed but even then using something in it's alpha stage is not something I would advise, issues can and will arise
[15:57] <roasted> sigh
[15:57] <roasted> guess it's a good thing I kept Fedora on dual boot here :(
[15:57] <roasted> it pains me to say that
[15:57] <roasted> Come onnnnnnnnnn October...
[15:58] <Dark_light> I gave it a spin on my t420 too but it's still far from being usable, from my experience it usually gets usable when it reaches a beta stage, there might be minor hiccups but usually nothing major
[16:00] <Dark_light> I can't stand fedora, I mean it works ok but there are no reliable tools for power management they diched laptop-mode-tools calling it ancient and wrote tuned from scratch and it blatantly sucks
[16:01] <Dark_light> if on any other distro I can get 4.5/5 hours of battery life in fedora I get like 3/3.5
[16:02] <jbicha> roasted: please file a bug
[16:02] <roasted> jbicha: against what package?
[16:02] <jbicha> I don't know, maybe evolution
[16:02] <roasted> also, is exchange integration working in 13.04?
[16:02] <roasted> or did I do something wrong?
[16:03] <roasted> 13.10 was the first release I used where evolution lit up insanely easily with full exchange everything
[16:04] <jbicha> roasted: that depends, Evolution with UOA support is new in 3.8
[16:04] <roasted> so if I pull in gnome3 PPA on 13.04 I should have it?
[16:04] <jbicha> for GOA, Google 2-factor authentication was only recently fixed in 13.10 (and backported to the GNOME3 PPA for raring)
[16:05] <Dark_light> jbicha: would it be possible to fix the double online accounts entry in the ppa? (if it hasn't been done already)
[16:05] <jbicha> Dark_light: the improved ability to use Ubuntu with GOA without UOA is not backportable to 13.04
[16:06] <Dark_light> ok, just out of curiosity what is it tied to ?
[16:08] <jbicha> it's not impossible to backport to the GNOME3 PPA but it's a lot of work and fragile
[16:09] <jbicha> I'd prefer people just use 13.10 when it's ready for that feature
[16:09] <roasted> I'm going to fire up 13.04 on this other laptop, pull in the Gnome3 PPA and see if I can have Exchange support.
[16:10] <Dark_light> jbicha: sure, it's not that, I'm curious what has changed from a technical point of view, have the packages been recompiled without canonical's patches ?
[16:11] <jbicha> libsignon-glib now doesn't depend on signond
[16:12] <jbicha> evolution-data-server had its uoa and goa support split into separate packages
[16:12] <Dark_light> nice, it's an elegant solution
[16:13] <jbicha> empathy had to be fixed
[16:13] <jbicha> maybe it's not that much work but it requires a good amount of testing to make sure we don't break stuff
[16:15] <jbicha> and if libsignon-glib gets an update then you'll automatically get a lot of the UOA and Qt backend stuff installed until a new version is uploaded to the PPA
[16:16] <jbicha> it would also need new version of ubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-gnome-desktop to make sure that the appropriate eds online account support is installed
[16:20] <Dark_light> yep it's probably just best to wait till 13.10 gets to usable level
[18:08] <bjsnider> why does there have to be an ubuntu online accounts -- is there a feature of gnome online accounts that's missing?
[22:11] <Maple__> bjsnider, it's Unity's
[22:51] <darkxst> jbicha, bug 1204290 seems to be trying to load indicator-session (which we don't ship)
[23:03] <roasted> hmm
[23:11] <darkxst> I suspect bug 1204289 is also related to missing indicators
[23:16] <roasted> just fired up a fresh 13.04 install, gnome3 ppa, fully updated etc
[23:17] <roasted> added exchange in GOA annnnnnd... nothing
[23:17] <roasted> so both 13.04 and the latest 13.10 daily build don't work with exchange, while prior dailybuilds from as early as last week worked fine
[23:21] <darkxst> roasted, does it work if you manually add exchange account in evolution?
[23:21] <roasted> seems as if evolution-mapi isn't installed. perhaps that alone is it.
[23:21] <roasted> darkxst: I don't have an exchange option at all.
[23:22] <roasted> I have a massive, massive apt-get install script running now so I can't install that package in a singular fashion right now to see. I'll have to wait until this is done.
[23:24] <roasted> hm, just tried it on my 2nd laptop here. All it does is spam me to put in my exchange PW, which I do 40 times, but it keeps going.
[23:25] <jbicha> roasted: I missed that you said "exchange" yesterday
[23:25] <jbicha> what version of exchange?
[23:26] <roasted> ah hah!
[23:26] <roasted> a winner!
[23:26] <roasted> If I install evolution-mapi and try to add the exchange account through evolution itself, it continually spams me for the PW to my account. Even if I put it in 80 times it keeps asking me each time it tries to check in.
[23:26] <roasted> On the flip side, if I install evolution-mapi, and then go into GOA and add my account there, everything works flawlessly.
[23:27] <roasted> So having evolution-mapi seems to not be quite 'all there'. GOA seems to be doing something extra to make it work painlessly.
[23:27] <roasted> I'm sure I could do a settings-dive into evolution to get it to work. I did see some things in there that might have required tweaking to get to work, but it's nice to see evolution-mapi being installed prior, then adding the exchange account in GOA = winner.
[23:28] <roasted> jbicha: I am actually not positive... but I think 2010?
[23:28] <roasted> it's relatively recent. I don't admin that server so I'm a bit unsure offhand.
[23:29] <jbicha> ok, there's also evolution-ews which support Outlook Web Services 2007+
[23:29] <roasted> It'd be nice if adding the exchange account auto-installs evolution-mapi prior to connecting the account.
[23:29] <roasted> because it didn't tell me there was any problem, besides evolution just... not working.
[23:29] <jbicha> I don't have an exchange server handy so I never tested that
[23:29] <roasted> jbicha: if I go into my evolution account settings, it shows the account type as 'ews'
[23:30] <roasted> jbicha: I do however already have evolution-ews installed.
[23:30] <roasted> so evolution-ews wasn't the trick in this equation here.
[23:31] <roasted> jbicha: is that a crazy idea? to tack in a dependency if the user tries to add an exchange account?
[23:31] <roasted> it was just a quick thought.
[23:34] <jbicha> I'm not sure whether we want to install it by default http://paste.ubuntu.com/5909336/
[23:35] <jbicha> but it's not good to have an Exchange option in GOA if it doesn't work
[23:35] <darkxst> could install on-demand with packagekit
[23:39] <roasted> well, I don't have much access to the exchange server itself to pick it apart, but if I can help in any way to test exchange packages or any ideas you guys might have please let me know.
[23:39] <jbicha> roasted: you can grab Alpha1 from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/releases/13.10/alpha-1/ if you think that it did used to work
[23:39] <roasted> jbicha: sure, I'll download it and throw it into a VM.
[23:40] <roasted> while this downloads I need to get some dinner and put some trim up. I'll let you know what I find.
[23:40] <roasted> thanks for listening. :D
[23:44] <darkxst> jbicha, do we really need the ubiquity panel? perhaps we just disable it.
[23:52] <roasted> jbicha, I'm not entirely sure I understand, now that I think about it. You linked me to alpha1 daily build. I had assumed alpha 2 came out and that's what I inadvertently grabbed yesterday, so I thought I'd be comparing alpha 1 and alpha 2.
[23:52] <roasted> Instead, I assume, best I have is to compare daily build from last week and daily build from this week (both alpha 1)
[23:52] <roasted> which I do not have that ISO I used last week anymore...
[23:53] <roasted> best I might be able to do as it stands is compare 13.04 + Gnome3 PPA for Gnome 3.8 versus 13.10 stock with today's daily build and see what works and what doesn't.
[23:55] <darkxst> roasted, compare alpha 1 and alpha 2


[07:01] <alkisg> stgraber: there's a bug in the 12.04 epoptes version, we're using a "vncport" variable for both viewing and broadcasting, so if a teacher does the following, "monitor student" won't work anymore:
[07:02] <alkisg> monitor student, close vnc, broadcast teacher, stop transmissions, again monitor student => doesn't work
[07:02] <alkisg> A new epoptes version will be released that fixes that. Since the 12.04 version, we didn't put any new features at all in epoptes, just translation updates
[07:03] <alkisg> So the question is... should I cherrypick this bug for the SRU, or just ask for a sync with debian, once the newer version is uploaded?