[07:29] <dholbach> good morning
[16:30] <JoseeAntonioR> jono: have a minute?
[16:32] <jono> JoseeAntonioR, otp
[16:33] <JoseeAntonioR> ok, let me know
[17:16] <JoseeAntonioR> jono: I won't be able to do on-air today, can you please do it? I'm with my ISP techs atm, let me know when you have a minute so I can explain how to set up the pages
[17:16] <jono> JoseeAntonioR, np, can you send me the user/pass again?
[17:16] <jono> JoseeAntonioR, also, can you tell me how to update the website
[18:58] <FlyingPig> QUESTION: When will the video be updated?
[18:58] <jono> reload folks
[18:58] <jono> can you see me?
[18:59] <bluecable> yes
[18:59] <netcurli> yes
[18:59] <FlyingPig> jono: yes
[18:59] <arrrgh> Hello!
[18:59] <FlyingPig> Hi jono
[19:00] <LinuxDoug> Yay Wallpaper!
[19:01] <LinuxDoug> did you put that anywhere for us to copy?
[19:01] <Elken> QUESTION: Why have you not uploaded that wallpaper yet? :p
[19:03] <FlyingPig> QUESTION: Where is Josee?
[19:03] <JoseeAntonioR> FlyingPig: I'm here, with a terrible connection (thanks to my ISP!)
[19:03] <FlyingPig> JoseeAntonioR: Oh, bad thing :(
[19:03] <JoseeAntonioR> yeah
[19:04] <rozmar> QUESTION: What do you think about the success of the Firefox OS at MWC? Is it a real rival for the Ubuntu Phone OS, with the 18 network operators and the 4-5 handset manufacturers behind it? Or they are only a good sign, that there is some space for the open-source OSes on the market, and the Ubuntu phone will also have a great success?
[19:04] <snwh> QUESTION: what's brown and sticky?
[19:05] <ET_> Any news about Ubuntu 13.04 and Nvidia ?
[19:07] <FlyingPig> cool ringtone :D
[19:08] <codelotus> QUESTION: I see there are MANY areas to get involved in the Ubuntu proper community, but where is the greatest need?
[19:08] <tetris4> QUESTION: Any estimations on the pricing of the Ubuntu Phones that will be available by the end of the year? also, will there be a flag phone or pricing will be up to the hardware manufacturers?
[19:09] <Paul__> QUESTION : Hi, which technology are you using to perform voice recognition on Mobile/Tablet ? Thanks
[19:09] <darkone778> QUESTION: will there still be some type of physical location based developer summit? Something perhaps like Google does with I/O on a yearly basis?
[19:11] <tomaskrchnak> do you prefer drums or guitar? :)
[19:13] <notgary_> QUESTION: Do you think the release schedule of 2014 is putting Ubuntu Touch at a disadvantage long before it's even released given there's a new high-end android phone every couple of months these days?
[19:14] <theGolem> QUESTION: What's the derivative of (x^2+sin(x))/2?
[19:14] <snwh> (a proper) QUESTION: can you cough once if Ubuntu Touch has deals with carriers and OEMs that we (the community) aren't privy to yet?
[19:16] <Elken> QUESTION: I asked you a fairly complex question last week that I felt would have taken you some time to answer. Rather than dodge it this week, you should answer it in the most obfuscated, politcian-style manner.
[19:16] <FlyingPig> theGolem: (cos(x)+2x)/2 :D
[19:17] <Renegade_> hi
[19:17] <FlyingPig> hi
[19:17] <Elken> hi
[19:18] <vihryn> QUESTION: Why Canonical choses upstart ?
[19:18] <ubuntuisgreat> QUESTION: Can you imagine Mark Shuttleworth selling ubuntu/canonical?
[19:20] <lucasarran> QUESTION: What type of OEM will be building? A start up company or a large company like HTC?
[19:22] <Paul__> QUESTION : Do you have any plan for an alternative to Google Map, will there be any navigation app on Ubuntu phone ? Maybe with OpenStreetMap ?
[19:22] <dshimer> QUESTION: Can you address the rumors that Ubuntu UK Podcast moved to Wednesdays just so you would serve as a warm up for them?
[19:24] <Steam4Linux> QUESTION: Will we see ubuntu touch developer preview on non nexus hardware?
[19:25] <Elken> QUESTION: What's your view on the recent stories on Bitcoins?  Is this now a dead project? or is Canonical still working on it?
[19:26] <tomaskrchnak> OK, so you now have Dell supporting Ubuntu laptops, can you name some other players who might show their devices any time soon?
[19:26] <bluecable> stean4linux: some folks already ported a lot devices check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[19:27] <Sayth> Is python Gtk dead as far as Ubuntu is concerned for Unity, if QML is the focus of the phone. If your going to develop for unity and ubuntu phones seems to be two different technologies.
[19:27] <Elken> Sayth, prefix your question with "QUESTION:" so Jono sees it.
[19:29] <tomaskrchnak> QUESTION: OK, so you now have Dell supporting Ubuntu laptops, can you name some other players who might show their devices any time soon?
[19:30] <snwh> QUESTION: can you elaborate a bit more on the XDA and Ubuntu dev collaboration –are they doing more than helping with porting to other hardware?
[19:30] <Steam4Linux> lol thanks jono
[19:31] <bluecable> QUESTION: what do you guys mean "Sort of working" on touch previews
[19:31] <mike-dev> QUESTION: Will the main page at ubuntu.com be changed so that the top section cycles between phone, tablet, desktop, tv etc every few seconds to highlight the multiple devices supported?
[19:32] <mattyw> QUESTION: I've seen some negative press about canonical focusing on making money above keeping ubuntu open and democratic, and that this attitude could hurt ubuntu's future, especially against rival distro's like linux mint. Do you think there really is a problem here?
[19:32] <Elken> Jono, Nope, you missed the joke :p
[19:34] <vihryn> When we can wait wayland in ubuntu?
[19:34] <Steam4Linux> QUESTION: How is the scopes project for the desktop going?
[19:35] <Elken> QUESTION: Earlier I viewed an article essentially slamming Firefox OS saying that just because it's FLOSS doesn't make it good by default, and concluding the whole project is an uncessary waste due to Android and iOS. Do you think Ubuntu Phones will be met with a similar respone? Sorry for the long one.
[19:35] <From_Denmark> QUESTION: this is not a question, just want to say thank you for the great job you are doing for ubuntu, i really like to watch ubuntu on air, Continue your good work, I wish you and your family all the luck in the future  Regards from denmark
[19:35] <JimmyJames13> Question: Will Ubuntu Desktop ever have true separation between local and online search results, so to say when I open dash there will be no advertisement or links unless I do a online search ? I don't mind the data mining for a source of cash flow just feel it ruins my experience with ads on Dash, I feel as though I am on welfare for desktop interface instead of a legit user. Sorry if that's a bit harsh tried hard to fin
[19:37] <mike-dev> QUESTION: Will html 5 apps developed for Firefox OS run just the same on Ubuntu phone?
[19:38] <Elken> QUESTION: Every year, Time say that "Year X is the year of the Linux desktop!". Do you personally ever see any form of Linux having a place in the desktop market?
[19:38] <FlyingPig> QUESTION: Is Canonical already profitable?
[19:40] <ahoneybun> hello Ubuntu people~
[19:40] <darkone778> QUESTION: How seriously does the design team take community based design suggestions? As the general feel from people looking from the outside looking in is that that community design suggestions are not looked at? Would you say this is a wrong look at it?
[19:40] <mike-dev> QUESTION: A patch has been submitted that fixes a bug in the Weather-Indicator program, but the upstream developers seem to have stopped work on the program. Is there anything that can be done to get the patch into the upstream program?
[19:41] <ahoneybun> I agree with darkone778
[19:41] <majster> QUESTION: Is Ubuntu Touch preview (which we can download and put on devices) latest version of the code ? and/or we can expect some updates any time soon ?
[19:42] <ahoneybun> majster: there are daily images now so I would think since it has almost been a week since the first image released
[19:43] <giowck> great speak
[19:43] <Sephiroth_> Damn.. i missed about the whole q&a -_-
[19:44] <ahoneybun> Sephiroth_: So did I
[19:45] <JimmyJames13> does this show have replay I got kicked and missed if my question got answered or not
[19:46] <Sephiroth_> QUESTION: how is the phone and tablet doing? i heard that it's going along great :) Working on three apps for them :D
[19:47] <Paul__> QUESTION : Will Canonical take a percentage of developers incomes like Google Play ?
[19:47] <notgary_> QUESTION: What do you, as an Ubuntu user, think of the visual appearance of the Amazon adverts on the Dash? Personally, I think it make Ubuntu look cheap and tacky, as if it were sponsored by Yahoo, but what do you think?
[19:47] <ahoneybun> QUESTION: this is a add-on to darkone778's question, how well are the community design for Unity are linked into the final design?
[19:49] <Steam4Linux> QUESTION: Not that it's a bad thing, but how in the world is 13.04 as stable as it is so early?
[19:49] <JimmyJames13> "" OK Thanks For Straighten me Out on that Jono, I do Like the Online Search Just don't Want to see it all the time ""
[19:49] <DanS> QUESTION: Given the convergence that's happening do you think it is time ubuntu.com incorporated a responsive layout?
[19:50] <snwh> QUESTION: do you think Unity and Ubuntu can be equated or can they be called separate entities? (as in Unity is only a fraction of Ubuntu and the core is much more important IMHO and used elsewhere –eg. the spins)
[19:52] <arrrgh> QUESTION: will new interface from ubuntu touch come to desktop version? New menus at top, icons, etc
[19:53] <ubuhulk> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/
[19:53] <ubuhulk> phablet-flash -l  will pull the latest daily
[19:56] <notgary_> QUESTION: How well can you hold your own in the kitchen? Can you make those ingredients dance to your tune or does your culinary skill end at throwing slabs of meat onto a fire?
[19:56] <RichardGaskin> Who at Canicical can we contact to propose extending usability testing in ways that can include community efforts as well?
[19:56] <ahoneybun> QUESTION: How fine will the controls over scopes be on 13.04 or 13.10 be, like can we control just system search and online?
[19:56] <majster> QUESTION: do you think version 1.0 of ubuntu touch will be really released in october 2013 ? it seems like its lot of work to be done...
[19:57] <ahoneybun> QUESTION: will Ubuntu stick with Compiz or work on or with a different window manager?
[19:59] <jono> here is info about the BBQpad cook off: https://bbqpad.wordpress.com/2013/02/25/our-first-bbqpad-cook-off/
[20:01] <goodguygreg> QUESTION: why are gnome packages in the last few ubuntu versions so outdated? it is a real pain to use ppas for so much stuff
[20:02] <ahoneybun> Thanks for your time!
[20:02] <netcurli> thanks
[20:03] <mike-dev> Thanks
[20:03] <jsjgruber-x-p> Thanks, Jono
[20:03] <jono> thanks!
[23:19] <rthach> Hello!
[23:25] <rthach> Q: I'm visually impaired, in unity, beside compiz dekstop zoom effect, will ubuntu improve accessibility? With compiz desktop zoom, full desktop zoom doesn't zoom in unity launcher and panel.


[12:52] <cpaelzer> cyphermox: jamespage: doko: didrocks: jdstrand: MIR meeting pre-ping for awareness
[12:53] <cpaelzer> Note: doko mentioned he might pass due to PyCon
[12:57] <jamespage> o/
[12:57] <didrocks> hey
[13:00] <cpaelzer> hiho
[13:01] <cpaelzer> cyphermox: jdstrand: around as well?
[13:02] <cyphermox> I'm around
[13:02] <cyphermox> doko did tell me yesterday he didn't think he'd be around for the meeting
[13:03] <cpaelzer> yep me as well
[13:03] <cpaelzer> I pinged jdstrand as well inhis chan
[13:03] <cpaelzer> I think we are as complete as we can be today
[13:04] <cpaelzer> cyphermox: do you chair or should one of us do that again?
[13:04] <cyphermox> feel fre
[13:05] <cpaelzer> well I can copy and paste as well :-)
[13:05] <cpaelzer> #startmeeting Weekly Main Inclusion Requests status
[13:05] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue May  7 13:05:13 2019 UTC.  The chair is cpaelzer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[13:05] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[13:05] <cpaelzer> #topic Review of previous action items
[13:05] <cpaelzer> We didn't have any that I remember - all was assigned
[13:05] <cpaelzer> anything I miss that was open from last week(s)?
[13:06] <cpaelzer> well, that is a no then
[13:06] <cpaelzer> #topic New MIRs
[13:06] <cpaelzer> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=NEW&assignee_option=none&field.assignee=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[13:07] <cpaelzer> Three MIRs with security team ack
[13:07] <cpaelzer> there was one follow on which is tracked in the wider scope of mailman3 MIR-mania
[13:08] <cpaelzer> I will set all three bugs to "In Progress" per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MIRTeam#Process_states
[13:08]  * jdstrand is here
[13:08] <cpaelzer> That is just the grinding on the long list of mailman3 bugs that will continue for a while
[13:08] <cpaelzer> hi jdstrand
[13:08] <jdstrand> hey
[13:08] <cpaelzer> I think we are done with new bugs then
[13:09] <cpaelzer> #topic Incomplete bugs / questions
[13:09] <cpaelzer> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[13:09] <cpaelzer> please also mention any other open questions that you might have asked or been asked
[13:09] <jdstrand> to that last point, yes, we are grinding. the list is bought up every week in our meeting and lots of people are assigned to various MIRs. it's just so many it'll take a while
[13:09] <jdstrand> brought*
[13:10] <cyphermox> yup
[13:11] <cpaelzer> jdstrand: that is fine
[13:11] <cpaelzer> it was no different to us for the filing and then MIR-team processing
[13:12] <cpaelzer> There is a doc collecting extra tasks at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hfG79-Pq4G_Q0txNdwKZJBHnpOiKeMUhwdBrhYqbbwQ/edit
[13:12] <cpaelzer> internal only for now, but soon after initial discussion/clarification converted into public trello cards
[13:12] <cpaelzer> just FYI for you
[13:12] <cpaelzer> if more comes up in the security reviews this will be added the same way to the server teams task list
[13:13] <jdstrand> ack
[13:13] <cpaelzer> the list of incomplete bugs had no updates
[13:13] <cpaelzer> and nothing else was mentioned here
[13:13] <cpaelzer> so I guess no news
[13:13] <cpaelzer> #topic Any other business?
[13:14] <didrocks> nothing for me
[13:14] <cpaelzer> me neither
[13:15] <cpaelzer> seems like no one
[13:15] <cpaelzer> 5
[13:15] <cpaelzer> 4
[13:15] <cpaelzer> 3
[13:15] <cpaelzer> 2
[13:15] <cpaelzer> 1
[13:15] <cpaelzer> goodbye
[13:15] <cpaelzer> #endmeeting
[13:15] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue May  7 13:15:26 2019 UTC.
[13:15] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2019/ubuntu-meeting.2019-05-07-13.05.moin.txt
[13:15] <cyphermox> thanks!
[13:15] <cpaelzer> thanks everybody
[13:16] <didrocks> thx


[04:32] <mup> PR snapcraft#2733 closed: cmake plugin: support disable-parallel option <Created by kyrofa> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2733>
[06:30] <mborzecki> morning
[07:03] <zyga> hey
[07:03] <zyga> I'm sick but I will try to get some work done today
[07:04] <zyga> no promises, it's a day off
[07:05] <pstolowski> mornings
[07:06] <mborzecki> zyga: pstolowski: hey
[07:07] <zyga> hey :)
[07:07] <mborzecki> zyga: why don't you type in /quit in your irc client ;)
[07:07] <zyga> I hate being sick
[07:07] <zyga> mborzecki, that's a good question
[07:07] <mborzecki> :P
[07:07] <mborzecki> heh :P
[07:08] <zyga> well, that was interesting
[07:25] <pedronis> pstolowski: 2.41+ has the unset option support ? or was it 2.40+ ?
[07:27] <pedronis> degville: pstolowski: I'm adding some mention of how unsetting work to https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/system-options/87 as well
[07:32] <pstolowski> pedronis: 2.41
[07:32] <pedronis> pstolowski: thx, it's what I used, were there bugs with it and system that we fixed only in 2.42 ?
[07:35] <pstolowski> pedronis: and thanks for updating the forum; nb i announced it before here https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/configuration-of-snaps-new-commands-for-unsetting/13118 and updated the docs (links in the annoncement)
[07:35] <pedronis> pstolowski: yes, I saw the new docs, but somebody at some asked in the system options how to unset them
[07:35] <pedronis> and we had some example at the top of how to set/get, so just added unset and ! there too
[07:36] <pedronis> anyway degville is free to tweak/remove if he deems it annoying
[07:38] <pstolowski> pedronis: yes, there was a bugfix for system i made on 11th Sep (so not in 2.41), but it was minor - you could unset unknown (unsupported) options and it wouldn't complain, whereas snap set errors out in such cases
[07:38] <pedronis> ok, thx
[07:39] <ogra> pedronis, moaning ... :) ... i assume there are no plans to turn Ubuntu Core into multi-user systems ? .... https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/passwd-command-error-in-app-snap/13408/7
[07:41] <degville> pedronis: thanks for letting me know about the updates! I'll take a look.
[07:51] <pedronis> degville: unrelated, did you see this: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/is-snapd-forward-compatible-with-new-app-interfaces/10498/4
[07:57] <degville> pedronis: ah, thanks. I'll update the snap.yaml reference.
[08:04] <Chipaca> moin moin
[08:22] <zyga> degville: do you know who maintains https://ubuntu.com/download/iot/kvm ?
[08:24] <ogra> zyga, at the very bottom there is a "report a bug on this site" (most right option)
[08:25] <zyga> thanks!
[08:30] <pedronis> Chipaca: hi,  could you pin this from jdstrand for some reasonable time: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/upcoming-pulseaudio-interface-deprecation/13418
[08:30] <Chipaca> pedronis: how much is reasonable time?
[08:30] <Chipaca> a month?
[08:30] <Chipaca> six?
[08:31] <Chipaca> 3 years, like the first crusade?
[08:31] <mup> Bug #1626986 changed: snapd should allow snaps to define systemd unit alias names <snapd:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1626986>
[08:31] <mup> Bug #1627218 changed: snap refresh does not pull the latest betas <snapd:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1627218>
[08:31]  * ogra hugs Chipaca .... i was really a bit lost with that passwd thread
[08:31] <pedronis> Chipaca: 3 weeks
[08:32] <Chipaca> pedronis: pinning until oct 21, ie the first monday after 3 weeks
[08:32] <pedronis> thx
[08:34] <mup> Bug #1627643 changed: oops on pi3 (seemingly wlan related) <Snappy:Invalid> <linux-raspi2 (Ubuntu):Fix Committed by p-pisati> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1627643>
[08:35] <Chipaca> pedronis: there's also "banner" topics which are even more prominent, fwiw
[08:36] <Chipaca> there can only be one banner topic, there can be multiple pinned ones
[08:36] <Chipaca> currently there are two globally-pinned topics; the other is the "welcome!" one
[08:36] <pedronis> Chipaca: ok, pinning seems fine though
[08:43] <Chipaca> pedronis: the policy PR always uses current for boot.InUse, which is wrong :-| need to change the api, probably
[08:43] <Chipaca> explicit revision needed or sth
[08:45] <degville> zyga: probably the web design team (sorry for the delay, I'm actually on a swap day and I've biked over to the cinema).
[08:53] <Chipaca> pedronis: ok, advice needed: currently (in the PR) CanRemove takes a boolean 'all'. What's actually needed is *either* that boolean, *or* the index into Sequence (or the revision meant to be removed, but the index makes it unnecessary to return a lookup error). I could: 1. add a parameter, 2. change the boolean to an index, -1 meaning all; 3. change the boolean to a *Revision, nil meaning all; 4. ad-hoc opts struct that would need validating and thus
[08:53] <Chipaca> add an error return. Leaning to (2) myself.
[08:53] <Chipaca> 5. somehting else i didn't think of :)
[08:54] <pedronis> Chipaca: variation on 2? pass a revision with unset meaning all?
[08:55] <pedronis> well really 2+3
[08:55] <Chipaca> pedronis: and add an error return / change it from returning bool to error, nil==ok (gives us error message) (feels like big api change, maybe squash the error and do the error return later)
[08:55] <Chipaca> yes this is stream-of-conciousness irc
[08:56] <pedronis> Chipaca: remember it's used in exactly one place
[08:56] <Chipaca> unset meaning all sgtm fwiw
[08:56] <pedronis> so I would add the error now
[08:57] <Chipaca> pedronis: we have a TODO to report *why* you can't remove, so I'd change it to return an error with the why while I'm at it
[08:57] <Chipaca> instead of the bool i mean
[08:57] <pedronis> ok
[08:57] <Chipaca> ok! on it
[08:57] <Chipaca> pedronis: is CanRemove still the right name for something that returns error?
[09:03] <mborzecki> hmm yum command line argument parsing seems broken
[09:03] <pedronis> Chipaca: we tend to use Check for those situations but I'm not sure we are super consistent, maybe grep ?
[09:03] <pedronis> I mean Check*
[09:03] <Chipaca> yah, will do
[09:04] <mborzecki> centos guys have pushed a systemd build that potentially fixes the issue we've been seeing, but passing --enablerepo=fasttrack in our pkgdb.sh seems to behave rather funny
[09:08] <Chipaca> sigh, need to tweak the api of boot.InUse :-)
[09:08] <Chipaca> more coffee first
[09:28] <mup> Bug #1632508 changed: Get a way to differentiate uninstall/shutdown from snap update in stop script <libvirt> <lxd> <openstack> <snapd:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1632508>
[09:28] <mup> Bug #1633111 changed: Missing API documentation for /v2/snaps/[name] POST <snapd:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1633111>
[09:29] <zyga> Chipaca: is the REST api documented on the forum?
[09:29] <Chipaca> zyga: no, the wiki
[09:31] <zyga> Chipaca: the github wiki?
[09:31] <zyga> ah, I see it at https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/wiki/REST-API
[09:32] <Chipaca> zyga: and, it's always out of date :-|
[09:32] <Chipaca> but, it's a good place to start
[09:32] <Chipaca> zyga: why?
[09:33] <zyga> Chipaca: when spread churns I'm looking at bugs https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapd/+bug/1633111
[09:33] <mup> Bug #1633111: Missing API documentation for /v2/snaps/[name] POST <snapd:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1633111>
[09:44] <mup> Bug #1635011 changed: /v2/changes/ is not documented in rest.md <snapd:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1635011>
[09:44] <mup> PR snapd#7523 opened: sandbox/selinux: move SELinux related bits from 'release' to 'sandbox/selinux' <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7523>
[09:45] <mborzecki> zyga: ^^^
[09:45] <zyga> mborzecki: ack
[09:47] <mup> Bug #1647139 changed: CalledProcessError: Command '['/usr/bin/sudo', '/usr/sbin/chroot', '/home/buildd/build-SNAPBUILD-12520/chroot-autobuild', 'linux64', '/bin/sh', '-c', 'cd /build/qucs-spice && env LANG=C.UTF-8 https_proxy=http://snap-proxy.launchpad.net:3128
[09:47] <mup> http_proxy=http://snap-proxy.launchpad.net:3128 SNAPCRAFT_LOCAL_SOURCES=1 snapcraft pull']' returned non-zero exit status 1 <build> <lp> <Snapcraft:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1647139>
[09:47] <zyga> mborzecki: +1
[09:47] <mborzecki> zyga: seccomp is the last bit that's still under release
[09:47] <mborzecki> not for long though :)
[09:50] <mup> Bug #1697770 changed: can't run juju from snap: "Too many levels of symbolic links" <snapd:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1697770>
[09:53] <mup> Bug #1740130 changed: Use XDG set profile folders <Snappy:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1740130>
[10:02] <pedronis> Chipaca: can help with those questions you sent in the PR? notice that gadget doesn't apper in any boot env stuff, so not sure how in use would help
[10:02] <Chipaca> pedronis: d'oh. ok, for gadget. What about kernel?
[10:02] <Chipaca> pedronis: we're checking both
[10:03] <mup> PR snapd#7524 opened: tests: add unit test for gadget defaults with a multiline string <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7524>
[10:03] <pedronis> Chipaca: both, what both?
[10:03] <pedronis> or which both?
[10:03] <Chipaca> pedronis: boot.InUse and model.Kernel
[10:04] <pedronis> that sounds ok
[10:04] <Chipaca> pedronis: isn't it redundant?
[10:04] <pedronis> doesn't InUse need a revision?
[10:04] <Chipaca> pedronis: yes
[10:05] <pedronis> so what if it's all
[10:05] <Chipaca> pedronis: (although i've modded it locally to take unset to mean 'any'
[10:05] <Chipaca> hmmm
[10:05] <Chipaca> maybe i've overcomplicated things then :-)
[10:05] <pedronis> yes
[10:05] <pedronis> likely
[10:05] <Chipaca> :-)
[10:06] <pedronis> if all,  check model,  if revision check in use
[10:06] <pedronis> something like that?
[10:06] <Chipaca> yeah, i'll make that explicit
[10:06] <Chipaca> just so i don't forget again
[10:07] <pedronis> core, boot base and kernel should have similar rules
[10:07] <pedronis> (except core has rules for classic too)
[10:26] <pedronis> pstolowski: I updated #7468 and answered sthe comments
[10:26] <mup> PR #7468: seed/seedwriter: support local snaps <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7468>
[10:26] <pstolowski> ty
[10:27] <zyga> ah
[10:27] <zyga> I learned something about mount namespaces just now
[10:27] <zyga> man that stuff is tricky
[10:27] <zyga> it's just super tricky
[10:28] <zyga> on the upside this is invaluable to fixing bugs
[10:28] <zyga> details shortly, let me write them down
[10:34] <mup> PR snapd#7522 closed: httputil: set user agent for CONNECT <Created by chipaca> <Merged by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7522>
[10:36] <mborzecki> anyone with power to cherry-pick and push to 2.42?
[10:38] <zyga> 2.42 the branc?
[10:38] <zyga> anyone
[10:38] <zyga> the release? it's an SRU
[10:38] <zyga> I must misunderstand your question
[10:38] <mborzecki> zyga: hm afaik direct git push to the repo only works for mvo
[10:39] <zyga> oh, that's new then
[10:39] <zyga> I guess you can propose a PR instead
[10:39] <zyga> just target 2.42
[10:39] <mborzecki> mhm, opening right now
[10:39] <pstolowski> yeah, why not PR?
[10:39] <mborzecki> pstolowski: bc we don't need to run spread then
[10:40] <pstolowski> mborzecki: bad bad ;)
[10:40] <zyga> naughty :)
[10:40] <mup> PR snapd#7525 opened: tests: disable {contacts,calendar}-service tests on Arch Linux (2.42) <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7525>
[11:10] <Chipaca> pedronis: so... https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/blob/master/overlord/snapstate/snapstate_test.go#L11132
[11:10] <Chipaca> pedronis: i just broke that test :-|
[11:14] <Chipaca> granted it passed by accident before, but it feels like an actual case we want to work
[11:14] <Chipaca> that is: current boot kernel is not (no longer) the model kernel, you shouldn't be able to 'snap remove' it yet
[11:14] <Chipaca> actually could be no longer or not yet, either way
[11:22] <pedronis> Chipaca: sorry, how did it work before and how doesn't anymore?
[11:22] <Chipaca> pedronis: as per above, i no longer call boot.InUse if the revision is unset
[11:23] <Chipaca> pedronis: it worked up to this point because i'd use snapst.Current as the revision for InUse
[11:24] <Chipaca> pedronis: sounds like i do need to tweak boot.InUse to check any when unset (could be in a separate pr)
[11:24] <pedronis> Chipaca: I'm not sure that test make sense
[11:25] <Chipaca> that would make life easier :-)
[11:26] <mup> Bug #1845636 opened: connect-plug-i2c hook failing <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1845636>
[11:26] <pedronis> if there is a kernel-to-be in a remodel conflicts should prevent to remove it, toward the end of the remodel it becomes in use (at which point checking for any on the other side doesn't) and at the very end we atomically switch the model
[11:27] <pedronis> the current kernel  is still the one from the model except inside the remodel itself
[11:27] <pedronis> until the remodel is done
[11:27] <pedronis> at some earlier point as I said it stops to be in use
[11:28] <mup> PR snapd#7526 opened: cmd/snap-confine: allow digits in hook names <Bug> <Simple 😃> <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7526>
[11:28] <pedronis> Chipaca: we let you remove by revision only non-current revisions no?
[11:29] <mup> Bug #1845636 changed: connect-plug-i2c hook failing <snapd:In Progress by zyga> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1845636>
[11:29] <Chipaca> pedronis: correct
[11:30] <pedronis> Chipaca: it might be that we need to turn that description I just made into a set of CanRemove tests
[11:30] <pedronis> or really Remove tests
[11:30] <pedronis> that show you can remove what you expect at various points of the switching
[11:30] <Chipaca> with a remodel going on you mean?
[11:30] <pedronis> well doesn't mean to be a real one
[11:30] <pedronis> but to simulate something close enough
[11:31] <pedronis> afaict the test you pointed at doesn't correspond to a possible state
[11:31] <pedronis> (unless bugs)
[11:35] <mup> Bug #1638988 changed: Cannot run spread hello world on all-snaps image <snapd:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1638988>
[11:37] <Chipaca> zyga: don't we have an interface for lxc?
[11:38] <zyga> Chipaca: not one that would allow you to run lxc-the-command-line-tool
[11:38] <zyga> Chipaca: that's a general property btw
[11:38] <Chipaca> zyga: even if you shipped it?
[11:38] <Chipaca> zyga: just lxc, not lxd
[11:38] <mup> Bug #1638796 changed: mir clients that use cpu renderable surfaces don't work under confinement <snapd:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1638796>
[11:39] <zyga> Chipaca: if you shipped it it might work but that's not what the bug is about
[11:39] <Chipaca> zyga: i've got my spread-snap-contributor hat on
[11:39] <zyga> Chipaca: casual combination of tools shipped as snaps is not supported
[11:39] <zyga> Chipaca: when that combination is packaged as a snap
[11:40] <zyga> Chipaca: if we expand spread to talk to lxc/d directly it's something to consider but I think that's not high priority
[11:40] <mup> PR snapd#7527 opened: interfaces/input: support confined snaps accessing keyboard and mouse directly <Created by AlanGriffiths> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7527>
[11:40] <Chipaca> zyga: i don't understand what you mean there
[11:40] <Chipaca> zyga: spread has an lxd backend
[11:40] <Chipaca> we already expect it to talk to it
[11:41] <zyga> Chipaca: yes but that backend just invokes lxc as a new process
[11:41] <zyga> Chipaca: if we agree on that, that's exactly what is not supported in snapd
[11:41] <Chipaca> zyga: right, so if we ship lxc in the spread snap, that should work if we get the interface
[11:41] <zyga> Chipaca: yes, that's correct
[11:41] <Chipaca> zyga: sounds like an easy win, i'll see if i find time to do it
[11:42] <zyga> Chipaca: if you want to, sure. I was just triaging old bugs as I wait for spread runs
[11:42] <zyga> Chipaca: IMO we should explore how not changing the spread snap to ship lxc could be supported
[11:42] <zyga> Chipaca: it's a more complex problem though
[11:42] <zyga> Chipaca: involving lots of variables like API stability of the cli, passing resources, observing children termination, etc
[11:43] <zyga> Chipaca: it would, however, allow us to handle this generally
[11:43]  * zyga looks at the next PR
[11:54] <zyga> Chipaca: IMO osutil.StreamsEqual is buggy
[11:54] <Chipaca> zyga: oh? do tell
[11:54] <zyga> Chipaca: it uses ReadAtLeast with a buffer size of 16K
[11:55] <zyga> ah, sorry
[11:55] <zyga> just scrolled down to see the error handling :E
[11:56] <Chipaca> zyga: you mean the one that comes right after the six-line comment explaining the situation?
[11:56] <zyga> yeah, I was scrolling down and reached the pair of ReadAtLeast
[11:56] <zyga> and got curious about the buffer size
[11:56] <zyga> anyway, go have lunch, sorry for the noise
[11:57] <Chipaca> 👋
[12:16] <mup> PR snapd#7528 opened: overlord/snapstate: have more context in the errors about prerequisites <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7528>
[12:20] <pedronis> not quite simple but not too big ^
[12:20] <pedronis> something sergiusens pointed out
[12:46] <mup> PR snapd#7521 closed: [RFC] many: use --root as first arg to systemctl everywhere <Created by anonymouse64> <Closed by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7521>
[12:56] <zyga> pedronis: I will skip the standup, conflict
[12:57] <pedronis> zyga: I will also be in the conflict
[12:57] <zyga> ok :)
[12:57] <pedronis> Chipaca will drive the standup today
[13:06] <sergiusens> Chipaca: wrt spread lxd, if you ship the lxc binary and your lxd backend is a non local remote, you don't need any interface
[13:07] <sergiusens> Chipaca: heh, using local would only require being able to talk to the socket
[13:18] <mup> PR snapcraft#2732 closed: project: use os.sched_getaffinity instead of multiprocessing.cpu_count <Created by kyrofa> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2732>
[13:37] <zyga> jdstrand: can you please enqueue https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7421
[13:37] <mup> PR #7421: cmd/snap-confine: unmount /writable from snap view <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7421>
[13:37] <zyga> jdstrand: you reviewed that before, v2 is simpler and should be good-to-go
[13:38] <pedronis> zyga: I think he is swapping today
[13:38] <zyga> pedronis: yeah, I was just checking since he's away on IRC
[13:38] <zyga> that's fine
[13:39] <zyga> I'll ask next week
[13:58] <cwayne> kenvandine: ok so the fix did indeed seem to work, let us know if you run into any more issues (or whenever you want us to add new snaps :D)
[14:09] <mup> PR snapd#7526 closed: cmd/snap-confine: allow digits in hook names <Bug> <Simple 😃> <Created by zyga> <Merged by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7526>
[14:48] <zyga> Chipaca: hey
[14:48] <zyga> Chipaca: I have a question about osutil/cmp_test.go
[14:48] <zyga> Chipaca: can you please look at TestCmp there
[14:49] <zyga> Chipaca: the buffer size is fixed but the payload (file size) varies
[14:49] <zyga> Chipaca: am I reading that right?
[15:08] <pstolowski> pedronis: i think failures on #7528 are real, tests/main/base-invalid-type needs updating
[15:08] <mup> PR #7528: overlord/snapstate: have more context in the errors about prerequisites <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7528>
[15:08] <pedronis> pstolowski: quite possible
[15:09] <pedronis> but somebody just restarted it
[15:09] <pedronis> (not me)
[15:09] <pedronis> so I cannot look
[15:10] <pedronis> or I'm very confused
[15:10] <Chipaca> zyga: yes
[15:10] <zyga> Chipaca: thanks
[15:10] <zyga> I'm almost done with that PR
[15:10] <zyga> I removed my implemenetation
[15:10] <zyga> added one extra check into yours
[15:10] <zyga> and kept the set of tests
[15:10] <pstolowski> pedronis: hmm not me
[15:13] <pedronis> zyga: I moved the 'snap run --explain' notes to the forum: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/snap-run-explain/13427
[15:13] <zyga> pedronis: nice, thank you
[15:14] <pstolowski> pedronis: the status is still visible: https://api.travis-ci.org/v3/job/590391360/log.txt
[15:14] <ijohnson> pedronis, pstolowski: not me either
[15:14] <pedronis> I was just confused by travis
[15:14] <pedronis> I see the problem now
[15:15] <pedronis> Chipaca: can CanRemove PR be reviewed again? or still WIP? (would not happen today)
[15:16] <zyga> pedronis: can I give it a stab at implementing a super-simple version of that over weekend? I'm going to stay at home sick anyway
[15:16] <zyga> pedronis: or would you rather give it to someone else
[15:16] <mup> PR snapd#7520 closed: tests: moving opensuse to unstable due to catastrofic issue on the repo <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Closed by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7520>
[15:17] <pedronis> zyga: how far are we from wrapping up robustness?
[15:18] <zyga> pedronis: I need some jamie time for the reviews, probably a day or so
[15:18] <zyga> pedronis: it is that and app awareness next week
[15:18] <zyga> pedronis: I think I can do new stuff now
[15:19] <pedronis> zyga: you could start to sketch --explain but might likely have to give it to somebody else to finish depending
[15:19] <zyga> ok
[15:19] <pedronis> it's lower priority than the other things on your plate
[15:19] <pedronis> basically
[15:19] <zyga> pedronis: ack
[15:21] <pstolowski> zyga: what's the plan re https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6174 ?
[15:21] <mup> PR #6174: many: add snap debug refresh-catalogs <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6174>
[15:22] <zyga> pstolowski: I'll fix it up next week
[15:22] <zyga> or perhaps today if I finish the pass over other PRs
[15:22] <zyga> pstolowski: needs some deconflicting/rebasing
[15:23] <pstolowski> ok, thanks
[15:27] <pstolowski> pedronis: btw my #7355 is redy for reviews again
[15:27] <Chipaca> pedronis: I recentl pushed to the canRemove pr, i think it's good to go but i thought so yesterday and then spread failed :-)
[15:27] <mup> PR #7355: interfaces/apparmor: load multiple profiles in a single batch <Complex> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7355>
[15:29]  * zyga -> lunch
[15:29] <pedronis> Chipaca: ok
[15:30] <pedronis> pstolowski: thanks, probably will look at it on Monday at this point
[15:30]  * ijohnson will miss TGIF, still in middle of reviewing 7355
[15:30] <pstolowski> ijohnson: take a break ;)
[15:30] <pstolowski> ijohnson: btw appreciate it!
[15:31] <Chipaca> pedronis: i just spotted a bug i think
[15:31] <Chipaca> pedronis: :-( i'll comment on it in case you get to review it before i fix it
[15:32] <Chipaca> at the very list it points to a missing test
[15:32] <Chipaca> least*
[15:32] <Chipaca> oh dear me
[15:35]  * Chipaca takes a break
[15:39] <Chipaca> ahem. For real now.
[16:18] <pedronis> pstolowski: I did this: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7469/commits/700ce5a5d816c37901e686fd689f586b40dbc2e5 in the next PR
[16:18] <mup> PR #7469: seed/seedwriter,snap/naming: support classic models  <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7469>
[16:22] <zyga> ondra: offtopic
[16:22] <zyga> ondra: I have a thing I wanted to show you
[16:23] <zyga> ondra: I wrote it earlier this week, perhaps it could be something useful to your team
[16:23] <zyga> ondra: check this out please https://gist.github.com/zyga/2210f334115645a0014e1ecce22a944c
[16:23] <zyga> ondra: it's a tool for extracting SD card image off a running system
[16:23] <zyga> ondra: and streaming it to a nearby computer
[16:24] <zyga> ondra: there's some "pre-preparation" step that's missing in the script itself (dd if=/dev/zero of=zero bs=4M; rm zero;) but we can consider polishing the script some more
[16:25] <pstolowski> pedronis: ty!
[16:25] <zyga> ondra: it works on core18, can easily work on core16 (I didn't try) and most importantly, on windows / linux / mac on the receiving end
[16:25] <zyga> ondra: so anyone can easily capture an image and send it for analysis
[16:25] <zyga> ondra: on windows just double-click on the script and continue (install python first)
[16:26] <zyga> ondra: on other systems it's more generic
[16:32] <ondra> zyga that looks interesting!
[16:33] <ondra> nice one
[16:34] <zyga> ondra: I have some more ideas to make it robust but I wanted to share a quick prototype with an user that needed it
[16:35] <zyga> Chipaca: I changed some code you wrote in https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7484 -- perhaps you could do a review over cmp.go there
[16:35] <mup> PR #7484: osutil: generalize SyncDir with FileState interface <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7484>
[16:36] <zyga> ondra: if you end up using it and give it a life please tell me :)
[16:38] <ondra> zyga we might use that as we go closer to production and need to debug special cases
[17:15] <Chipaca> zyga: I might take a peek over the weekend
[17:15] <Chipaca> right now, it's beer o'clock
[17:16] <Chipaca> meaning it's go-get-the-supermarket-stuff o'clock, first
[17:16] <Chipaca> put-the-pizza-in-the-oven o'clock
[17:16] <Chipaca> that kinda stuff
[17:16] <Chipaca> have a great weekend y'awl
[17:16] <Chipaca> ijohnson: you too, when your time comes
[17:16] <Chipaca> :)
[17:16] <Chipaca> 👋
[17:18] <mup> PR snapd#7528 closed: overlord/snapstate: have more context in the errors about prerequisites <Created by pedronis> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7528>
[17:41] <mup> PR snapd#7529 opened: seed/seedwriter: cleanups and small left over todos <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7529>
[17:47] <zyga> pedronis: I was about to look at 7529 but I think I am too tired today
[18:02] <mup> Bug #1639984 changed: Granting incorrect access in the shutdown interface in snapd <snapd:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1639984>
[18:02] <mup> Bug #1640281 changed: Conflict - Telemetry project, Snap, uses snapd and snapctl <snapd:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1640281>
[18:05] <mup> Bug #1641752 changed: request for snap interface that expose userspace device APIs <snapd:Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1641752>
[18:07]  * zyga stops triaging bugs and EODs
[18:07] <zyga> it's 8PM anyway ...
[18:07] <zyga> ttyl, enjoy your weekends everyone
[18:08] <mup> Bug #1640114 changed: configure hook output not accessible <snapd:Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1640114>
[18:08] <ijohnson> bye zyga, hope you feel better
[18:08] <zyga> ijohnson: thank you :)
[19:48] <pedronis> zyga: that one is simple in itself but is at the end of a long chain
[20:57] <joedborg> afternoon all, i'm still having trouble debugging my configure hook - is there anyway I can see the output of the hook (snapd seems to swallow -x and echos etc)
[20:57] <joedborg> and  it's not shown in the snapd journal
[20:58] <ijohnson> joedborg: unfortunately no, not unless your configure hook exits with exit code 1
[20:58] <ijohnson> but if it always does that, then you can't install the snap
[20:59] <joedborg> ijohnson: can i run it within a snap shell? `sudo snap run --shell`
[21:00] <joedborg> ijohnson: ah yes, looks like i can :)
[21:01] <ijohnson> yes you should be able to
[21:05] <joedborg> ijohnson: is there any plan to be able to float errors / feedback from hooks?  if not, I might raise an LP
[21:10] <ijohnson> no not really, hooks aren't really meant for that kind of thing, but feel free to file an LP bug
[21:15] <ijohnson> joedborg: actually what you're looking for are snap warnings, see https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/warnings/7599
[21:17] <joedborg> ijohnson: that looks promising, but i need more immediate feedback for validating of `snap set`
[21:21] <joedborg> ijohnson: i guess the set-health is the best way
[21:34] <ijohnson> joedborg: well if you are validating snap set, couldn't you just exit1 if it's wrong?
[21:34] <ijohnson> then the user sees the output
[21:36] <joedborg> ijohnson: yeah, i've got with `set-health` as it's more about getting 2 required configs set (as well as validating).  i have noticed that there's no record of `blocked` message in `snap warnings`


[02:20] <Guest83410> hi, i got a w10 laptop. i wanna replace w10 with lubuntu. i don't have cdrom and usb stick. how to do that?
[02:21] <wxl> not easily
[02:21] <wxl> i'd suggest you purchase a cdrom/usb from somewhere or have a friend help
[02:24] <Guest83410> oh god
[02:25] <wxl> well it's the same way with windows
[02:25] <wxl> if youw ant it, you can download it and put it on a usb/cdrom...... or you can buy it
[02:26] <Guest83410> alright, thx
[02:27] <wxl> Guest83410: https://www.osdisc.com/products/lubuntu
[02:27] <wxl> we are not affiliated with them but it's your solution
[02:27] <Guest83410> ok
[05:33] <wxl> ls
[05:33] <wxl> bah
[08:13] <digi_quake> HI!
[13:18] <flipper887> is there package of the Android too;ls in the ubuntu/debian repositories?
[13:26] <flipper887> t are in stalled on my Current As of the 12 of this month I am expecting to take delivery of A souped up Dell Precision 3420 SFF Workstation with a fresh oem installation of Ubuntu 16.04 LTS and am curious about migrating the packages that are currently installed on my Elite Book 8470W Mobile Work Station to the aforementioned new system?
[15:36] <chegney> hello
[15:40] <chegney> hello?
[16:28] <CrazyTux> can we install and run Lubuntu Desktop on Kubuntu 17.10?
[17:18] <Redman276> hello all
[17:21] <Redman276> I have a video issue I need a hand with, I cnt seem to figure out how to put X in VESA mode. I'm tuck looking at the rt 1/4 of the desktop.. any ideas?
[19:31] <krytarik> Redman276: From as little discription as you gave, that sounds like another case of LP bug 1724639 - try the "GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=text" workaround.
[21:27] <Redman276> yup thats it ,   is the dowgrade in kernel from 4.13 to 4.10.0-42 the only workaround
[21:28] <Redman276> ?
[21:30] <Redman276> its an acer 8.9" aoa101  with the  intel 945 GSE video chipset


[07:09] <flocculant> tsimonq2: add the test case to your testsuites > http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/admin/config/services/qatracker/testsuites
[07:09] <tsimonq2> flocculant: ack
[07:09] <flocculant> looks to me like testsuite 279/299
[07:09] <tsimonq2> flocculant: actually, I don't have access
[07:09] <flocculant> boo
[07:10] <flocculant> 297
[07:10] <tsimonq2> http://imgur.com/a/Gtbye
[07:10] <flocculant> tsimonq2: for the moment you want me to add it then
[07:11] <tsimonq2> flocculant: Sure
[07:11] <flocculant> mandatory/runonce/optional?
[07:11] <flocculant> desktop and alternate?
[07:12] <tsimonq2> flocculant: Mandatory, Desktop, Alternate, and Next.
[07:12] <flocculant> okey doke
[07:20] <tsimonq2> flocculant: Should it show up on the tracker under Artful Daily when you're done?
[07:22] <flocculant> tsimonq2: yea - all done :)
[07:22] <tsimonq2> \o/
[07:22]  * flocculant goes back to waking up mode now :D
[07:24] <flocculant> not sure why you've no access if release team for lubuntu - strgraber will be your friend on sorting that - or balloons :)
[07:25] <flocculant> tsimonq2: also that testcase needs sorting iirc
[07:25] <flocculant> bug 1690305
[07:34]  * tsimonq2 was about to go to going to sleep mode :P
[07:35] <tsimonq2> flocculant: I'll deal with it as soon as I wake up


[04:18] <hallyn> rtg: is a local build (fakeroot debian/rules binary-generic) of linux in yakkety-updates expected to work right now?
[13:36] <rtg> hallyn, I would expect it to. Are you building from a source package or from the git repo ?
[15:44] <hallyn> pull-lp-source linux yakkety-updates
[15:44] <hallyn> edit debian/rules and debian/scripts/module-check, and build.  nothing more.  in a yakkety vm
[15:44] <hallyn> well, container
[15:45] <hallyn> rtg: ^
[15:46] <hallyn> i don't relaly need that specific one, maybe i should use z instead
[15:46] <rtg> hallyn, they should both build successfully
[15:50] <hallyn> well, in fact /home/ubuntu/linux-4.8.0/ubuntu/vbox/vboxguest/include/VBox/VBoxGuestMangling.h does not exist and vbox makefiles do seem to reference it
[15:52] <rtg> hallyn, leeme repro
[15:52] <rtg> lemme even
[16:46] <rtg> hallyn, ok, looks like a packaging issue.
[17:05] <hallyn> rtg: ok cool, thanks.  i'll just wait then
[17:06] <rtg> hallyn, you can build from the repo in the meantime.
[17:07] <rtg> hallyn, also, please file a bug and assign me to it. I've kind of got my hands full for  awhile
[17:12] <hallyn> rtg: ok will do


[07:24] <rbasak> ahasenack: I stole your weekend triage slot. Hope that's OK.
[07:28] <zioproto> coreycb: with the same user if I login to the shell via ssh, and then I give the command, everything works fine
[07:29] <zioproto> it should make no difference in doing 'ssh host command' or in logging actually in and then giving the command
[09:12] <tobias-urdin> coreycb: another upgrade bug if you don't mind checking ubuntu pkg
[09:12] <tobias-urdin> https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1794259
[09:12] <tobias-urdin> https://review.rdoproject.org/r/#/c/16439/ for ref
[12:34] <tobias-urdin> coreycb: another friendly reminder to make sure you populate /etc/cinder/resource_filters.json
[13:04] <coreycb> tobias-urdin: for pecan the min version possible to pick up for rocky is 1.2.1 (bionic version) so I think we're good there
[13:05] <coreycb> tobias-urdin: checking on /etc/cinder/resource_filters.json. i'm not sure i'm familiar with the issue there.
[13:06] <tobias-urdin> coreycb: this is the bug atleast dont know which version it's solved https://github.com/pecan/pecan/issues/96
[13:07] <tobias-urdin> coreycb: some more info the resource_filters.json file https://review.rdoproject.org/r/#/c/16448/
[13:07] <tobias-urdin> just wanted to let you know so you could be sure its installed by the deb pkg
[13:08] <coreycb> tobias-urdin: ah looks like we do need to force 1.3.2 min version for pecan
[13:09] <coreycb> tobias-urdin: i'll fix that. very much appreciate you letting me know. as always!! :)
[13:10] <tobias-urdin> no worries :)
[13:12] <coreycb> tobias-urdin: btw i think these sort of issues aren't hit with apt dist-upgrade which is what our tooling uses
[13:26] <tobias-urdin> coreycb: yeah, the RDO package testing did exactly the same which is why my ansible-based upgrade toolbox catches them since
[13:26] <tobias-urdin> its rolling upgrades it upgrades some parts at a time
[13:28] <coreycb> tobias-urdin: got it. makes sense.
[13:47] <blackroot> Has anyone here tried to setup openstack on a single workstation? Like this guide here tells you: https://www.ubuntu.com/openstack/install
[14:14] <coreycb> blackroot: i should be able to point you in the right direction. having problems with anything in particular?
[14:24] <blackroot> coreycb: yes, a few things. first i should tell you that the machine is a 1U DELL PE with 16gb ram and dual xeon cpu. it has dual NIC aswell
[14:24] <blackroot> Using a fresh install of ubuntu 18.04
[14:25] <blackroot> i follow the short guidance in the link i posted
[14:25] <blackroot> except i additionally have to snap install juju
[14:26] <blackroot> when i have both NIC's (dhcp) to a switch, i can't get past bootstrapping. But when i disconnect the eno2 before ubuntu install, i can get past that and to the package deployment. which doesn't work, until i connect eno2 to the switch again. then it fails during deployment
[14:26] <blackroot> which i can't figure out
[14:27] <blackroot> it starts the deployment, but fails after a while
[14:28] <blackroot> 2018-09-25 14:14:14,853 [WARNING] conjure-up/openstack-novalxd - juju.client.connection: connection.py:227 - Receiver: Connection closed, reconnecting
[14:30] <coreycb> blackroot: are you using conjure-up?
[14:30] <blackroot> yeah
[14:30] <coreycb> yes obviously, sorry :)
[14:30] <coreycb> blackroot: ok probably going to want to get some logs but let's move the conversation to #conjure-up on freenode
[15:11] <dxc> hi folks
[15:11] <dxc> Just upgraded to ubuntu 18.04 server
[15:12] <dxc> wanted to know how I can remove a couple lines from my MOTD on login
[15:13] <dxc> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pMPxwKk7dH/ I want to remove the read about ubuntu updates line, the having fun line, and the highly secure kiosk line
[15:15] <rbasak> dxc: edit /etc/default/motd-news
[15:15] <coreycb> tobias-urdin: i have new cinder and neutron packages on their way for rocky to address the issues you brought up
[15:15] <dxc> ty rbasak
[15:15] <dxc> o7
[15:16] <tobias-urdin> coreycb: cool, nice work :)
[15:17] <coreycb> tobias-urdin: np thanks again :)
[19:47] <burton_> hi can anyone help me with postfix sendmail is listening in the port but not postfix and i have removed it
[19:47] <teward> burton_: start by running: sudo service sendmail stop
[19:47] <teward> if that doesn't work just reboot the server, if sendmail is truly gone it won't exist to start up
[19:47] <teward> or find the sendmail pids and issue `sudo kill -9` to the sendmail pids.
[19:52] <burton_> still got the issue listenning to port 25 it says sendmail:MTA
[20:00] <burton_> can anybody help me its listening to master now but i still have a lil problem
[21:54] <burton_> burton_ SET PASSWORD m00nlights
[22:02] <blackflow> hoo hoo!


[02:01] <prpplague> if anyone has feedback on rev2 of the trainer board, please post at http://www.elinux.org/BeagleBoard_Trainer
[05:23] <ruckuus> Hello everyone
[05:25] <ruckuus> I am trying to create Ubuntu rootfs for Samsung s3c6410 based board.
[05:26] <ruckuus> How to specify the kernel to be used? --seed linux-image-???
[08:30] <Tims_> Hi, maybe some of you remembering me from yesterday. I can't get my Webcam working on an Gumstix Overo (omap3503). Unfurtunately I have to give the gumstix away, what they tell me just today.
[08:32] <Tims_> So I hope there is anybody who can help me a little bit.
[08:32] <Tims_> The conclusion of yesterday was, that I have to build my one kernel
[08:34] <Tims_> because everytime I try to install, for example "qc-usb-source"-driver, it end in failure due to the kernel, he cant find the one which is neccessarry
[08:35] <Tims_> but on the gumstix webpage I searched and found a kernel which fits from the kernel-number, but the error apeared further.
[08:37] <LetoThe2nd> probably you don't have the kernels headers installed.
[08:41] <LetoThe2nd> for understandment: you don't compile against a running binary kernel, but against its api. the api is in the headers. no headers - no compiling against the kernel.
[08:48] <Tims_> i installed kernel, maybe the wrong one, let me take a look
[08:50] <Tims_> i installed kernel-headers, maybe the wrong one, let me take a look
[08:59] <LetoThe2nd> Tims_: hint for getting your thoughts going: you install a gumstix-specific kernel. you sound like you have installed the kernel-headers from the repo. how should the repo contain the headers fitting for your vendor kernel?
[08:59] <Tims_> It is installed linux-headers-2.6.32-21 and 2.6.32-28
[08:59] <LetoThe2nd> Tims_: ok, and that should be enough to make you think. remember the kernel version number you told us yesterday?
[08:59] <LetoThe2nd> are they fitting?
[09:00] <Tims_> no, but I cant remove it
[09:01] <LetoThe2nd> thats not the point. point is, you need the headers fitting your running kernel. and thats where we come back to.... you already know it? wanna guess? right, documentation! :D
[09:01] <Tims_> the kernel which i get with uname and which i find in the debs are fittig, so maybe so only thing is to remove de wrong one
[09:02] <LetoThe2nd> yesterday you told us, you're running some whacked 2.6.34 or .35-overo. and thats certainly not fitting to 2.6.32-21/-28. right?
[09:04] <Tims_> yesterday! do you think I turning my thumbs here?
[09:04] <LetoThe2nd> honest answer?
[09:05] <LetoThe2nd> and as of today you have not provided new information, i only can think yesterday infos are still uptodate.
[09:05] <Tims_> 9:35
[09:06] <LetoThe2nd> Tims_: "i installed kernel"... sorry, no information given which one.
[09:08] <Tims_> i said the one how fits, i thought the number is irrelevant if the fit
[09:11] <XorA|gone> persia: ping
[09:12] <LetoThe2nd> Tims_: honestly, i doubt your judgement on "fitting". :-)
[09:12] <LetoThe2nd> Tims_: for a beginning you might name the _exact_ version of the running kernel, where it's from and how you have installed it.
[09:15] <Tims_> uname -a : Linux gumstix 2.6.32 #1 Thu Mar 18 22:40:54 PDT 2010 amv7l GNU/Linux
[09:16] <Tims_> i get it from here: http://www.sakoman.com/feeds/omap3/glibc/images/overo/
[09:17] <LetoThe2nd> Tims_: i see neither a -21 nor a -28. so: guessing time again... fitting or not fitting?
[09:18] <Tims_> i don't know where or how I can find/see the last number
[09:18] <LetoThe2nd> Tims_: if it's not there, it's not there. in the case of ubuntu, they mark the service releases.
[09:19] <LetoThe2nd> Tims_: so one might think that a header set fitting some ubuntu-service-fixed kernel doesn't match some downloaded-from-the-internet-kernel. and one might be right.
[09:20] <LetoThe2nd> Tims_: seriously, you got to get a grip on the information you're providing and the assumptions you are making. productive support is nearly impossible the way you do things.
[09:31] <persia> XorA, Hey.  Sorry I missed you yesterday.
[09:33] <XorA> persia: no problem, was just going to say Im going to be in your part of the world next week
[09:33] <persia> Oh, excellent.  Which days?
[09:34] <XorA> persia: landing saturday morning tokyo, leaving the next saturday afternoon
[09:34] <persia> We'll have to meet up then :)
[09:34] <XorA> persia: that would be cool
[09:41] <Tims_> LetoThe2nd: sorry, i can't gave you more information as the system me gave,
[09:45] <LetoThe2nd> Tims_: i repeat. you assumed a fitting kernel - which isn't there. you didn't mention - you actually installed a new kernel. neither did you name the source of it, if you have built it yourself, the version... nothing. have to ask again and again and again to get the information out of you (or thin air, not much of a difference) and clearing up what you think about your system and is just not true is sooo timeconsuming and irksome that t
[09:46] <LetoThe2nd> i think i'll give it up, now. good luck - to the supporter and the supported. you'll need it.
[09:47] <Tims_> cu
[09:51] <persia> Do gumstix boot the kernels in the repo cleanly?  I wouldn't think one would need a special kernel.
[09:53] <ogra> persia, alst time i saw one trying it broke on the MMC
[09:53] <ogra> *last
[09:53] <persia> Ugh.  That ought get fixed, if reasonably feasible.
[09:54] <ogra> i think it cant, afaik the gumstix uses some kind of incompatible MMC driver
[09:54] <ogra> but it might have been fixed, not sure
[09:54] <persia> source-incompatible or config-incompatible?
[09:54] <ogra> mpoirier was working on it
[09:54] <ogra> i think source
[09:54] <ogra> but i dont know much about it
[09:54] <persia> That's very annoying.  Oh well.
[09:55] <ogra> talk to mpoirier if it ever got fixed
[09:55] <ruckuus> Hello All. Has anyone tried Ubuntu-arm on samsung s3c6410 based board?
[09:55] <persia> He's not here so much anymore :(  But I'll hunt him down sometime.
[09:55] <ogra> ruckuus, i think the guys in #linaro use some samsung boards, try there
[09:56] <persia> ruckuus, I've not heard of anyone trying to get a kernel for that into the archive, but my knowledge isn't all-inclusive.
[09:56] <ogra> persia, he is regulary in #linaro
[09:56] <ruckuus> ogra, thank you so much. is that a channel?
[09:56] <ogra> yes
[09:56] <ruckuus> I saw working one here: http://www.arm9.net/mini6410-ubuntu.asp
[09:57] <ruckuus> ogra, thank you I will try to get there
[09:57] <persia> ruckuus, Unless you know the folk who made an image, I'm not sure I'd trust it entirely.
[09:57] <ruckuus> persia, well me too. I download the images and will try it soon
[09:58] <persia> ruckuus, OK.  Be aware that we'll be dropping support for 9.10 in a couple months.
[09:59] <ruckuus> Is it "that simple" as mentioned in Ubuntu RootStock to create Ubuntu rootfs image?
[09:59] <persia> ruckuus, You could do that, and the result is something you can probably trust a bit more.
[09:59] <ruckuus> I have everything from the BSP but still fuzzy on how to put the specified kernel
[09:59] <persia> You will need to stuff in your own kernel, etc.
[10:00] <ruckuus> persia, sounds optimistic. Thank you
[10:00] <ruckuus> I have created rootfs with Poky (PokyLinux) and it works well
[10:00] <ruckuus> I am interested to put Ubuntu on top of the board, will be easier to develop i guess
[10:00] <persia> ruckuus, I don't know anything about your board, but you'll want to make sure it supports at least ARMv7a: if it does, you should be fine.  If not, I'll recommend Debian.
[10:01] <ruckuus> persia, my board is OK6410 http://www.arm9board.net/sel/prddetail.aspx?id=348&pid=200
[10:02] <ruckuus> I guess that would be simple to put Ubuntu on top of that, but my current issue is how to use my own kernel
[10:02] <persia> Based on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM11 , that looks like it's not a good fit for Ubuntu.
[10:03] <ruckuus> persia, thank you for the link, I will check it
[10:03] <persia> You'll likely have a much better experience running Debian, as you'll be able to run current software, upgrade, etc.
[10:04] <ruckuus> persia, could you please point me out why you come to that conclusion? TIA
[10:04] <ruckuus> persia, I guess so. I am using Debian now
[10:04] <persia> Wikipedia says that the Samsung S3C64x0 series of processors is ARM11, and indicates these support the ARMv6 instruction set.
[10:05] <persia> Ubuntu, since Lucid (10.04) requires that hardware support the ARMv7a instruction set, which means that you won't be able to run any of the recent releases.
[10:05] <ruckuus> persia, ... for media support (only) ? no?
[10:06] <persia> It's about the compiler defaults: if you don't have support for the instruction set, the software won't run.
[10:07] <ruckuus> persia, I see. meaning to say if I want to put Ubuntu, I will need to build everything from scratch using supported compiler that comes with BSP
[10:08] <ogra> imagine i386 vs i686 ... optimized i686 code wont run on i386 because the i386 CPU doesnt know some instructions the i686 one uses
[10:08] <persia> And you have no promises the results will work, as the source has often been modified to expect more recent processors.
[10:08] <ruckuus> ogra, persia, I get it
[10:39] <ruckuus> hello, it is confirmed that my board only support ARMv6 instruction set. Said on the website it can only run Ubuntu up to 9.10
[10:46] <hrw> ruckuus: install Debian then
[10:47] <ruckuus> hrw, I will. Currently I am using Debian packages from scratchbox
[10:48] <ruckuus> Is there a link for me to study how to achieve it?
[10:48] <hrw> ruckuus: use Debian directly. my brain shutdowns when I hear scratchbox word
[10:48] <hrw> ruckuus: use rootstock/multistrap to generate armel image of debian and boot it with your kernel
[10:49] <ruckuus> hrw, whew seems scratchbox is too traumatic for you :\
[10:49] <hrw> ruckuus: long story
[10:49] <ruckuus> hrw, i see. Thank you
[10:50] <ruckuus> hrw, I almost died with scratchbox, then switch to Poky, but still PITA when adding new package, and just today I saw posting that Ubuntu can run on ARM
[10:50] <ruckuus> very helpful, hopefully
[11:09] <persia> In terms of the development experience, Debian and Ubuntu are nearly identical.
[11:09] <persia> The differences tend to be small patches for individual packages, based on differing philosophies about how the distribution is delivered.
[11:10] <persia> But the key is to run Debian as Debian, rather than trying to cross-compile Debian on scratchbox or something.
[11:41] <danger89> Hi
[11:42] <danger89> I bought the iGEP v2 hardware board with WIfi+ Bluetooth
[11:43] <danger89> Can somebody say how good the Ubuntu netbook port for ARM is?
[11:44] <danger89> For example does all the hardware components works on the igep v2
[11:46] <hrw> iirc it works with 10.10 or 11.04
[11:51] <danger89> Yes, I believe it will work. But does all the hardware components work OK with the 10.10? Like: Wifi, Bluetooth, i2c, USB, etc.?
[11:53] <rsalveti_> weee, borked internet today :-(
[12:02] <ogra> bug 708661, bug 708659, bug 708658
[12:02] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 708661 in libqtgconf "[MIR] please include libqtgconf in natty main" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/708661
[12:02] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 708659 in libqtbamf "[MIR] please include libqtbamf in natty main" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/708659
[12:02] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 708658 in libqtdee "[MIR] please include libqtdee in natty main" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/708658
[12:05] <danger89> hrw: I can't find the ARM 11.04 version only 10.10: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/ports/releases/
[12:06] <danger89> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/daily-preinstalled/current/
[12:06] <danger89> foudn it :D
[12:18] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/releases/11.04/ has the alpha2 image from last week
[12:46] <rsalveti> NCommander: ogra: unity-2d seems to be working with latest qt
[12:46] <ogra> yay
[12:47] <rsalveti> the only thing to fix is that I'm not seeing the places icon that is used to fire up new applications
[12:47] <ogra> do yu see it elsewhere ?
[12:47] <ogra> i think the places implementation isnt ready yet
[12:47] <rsalveti> well, at least it was working at my maverick machine
[12:47] <ogra> (the unity one, not the 2d one)
[12:47] <rsalveti> that icon with scissors
[12:48] <ogra> yeah, it was redone in natty
[12:48] <rsalveti> oh, ok
[12:48] <ogra> we need to compare to x86 now i guess
[12:48] <rsalveti> yup
[12:48] <ogra> indicators and places were rewritten
[12:48] <ogra> and the desktop switched to dconf
[12:48] <ogra> thats the three bits still to be done in natty for unity-2d
[12:49] <rsalveti> you mean, for unity-2d?
[12:49] <ogra> everything switched to dfconf
[12:49] <ogra> *dconf
[12:49] <ogra> gconf is out
[12:49] <rsalveti> yeah, true
[12:49] <ogra> (though might be that dconf is just a different frontend, i didnt really look into that, upstream will care)
[12:49] <danger89> ogra: why should I use the alfa 2 over the "daily build" of Ubuntu netbook 11.04? Why is it better? And I checked the datum, but the daily build is from 9 feb and alfa 2 is from 2 feb.
[12:49] <danger89> 3 feb*
[12:50] <ogra> danger89, alphas usually get a week of archive freeze and QA
[12:50] <ogra> dailies can be broken in various way and are usually not regulary tested
[12:50] <ogra> *ways
[12:51] <danger89> So alfa 2 is the latest version of 11.04 and it is stable?
[12:52] <ogra> it was tested for the install to work at least
[12:52] <danger89> ^^
[12:52] <ogra> dailies only get tested occasionally
[12:52] <danger89> ok thx
[13:01] <danger89> ogra: If you got the igep v2 board. What would you  choose for OS version (10.10 vs 11.04 or.. something completly else)?
[13:02] <ogra> no idea, i have no igep2 :)
[13:02] <ogra> but the later the better i would say, since its more likely the kernel works better with that HW
[13:03] <danger89> http://labs.igep.es/index.php/Main_Page
[13:03] <danger89> and now :P ahah
[13:03] <danger89> ogra: I se
[13:03] <danger89> see*
[13:12] <danger89> thx
[13:38] <NCommander> rsalveti: yay
[15:46] <jo-erlend> did you read about the OMAP5? Sounds like something cool.
[15:58] <davidm> yes, the OMAP 5 sounds quite nice, will be a while before it's shipping in volume though
[16:02] <jo-erlend> yes, about 18 months, they say. Maybe just in time for 12.04? :)
[16:02] <jo-erlend> oh... I miscalculated that one... *tralala*
[17:21] <martyn> Has anyone seen a real, physical Armada XP development board?
[17:22] <martyn> Marvell announced a chip back in Nov, and theoretically a 'development platform' .. but so far I haven't met or seen any evidence of one...
[17:24] <ogra> i dont think there were any dev boards, they went dirctly to OEMs
[17:24] <ogra> *directly
[17:24] <ogra> essentially it should be close to dove
[17:25] <martyn> ogra: In theory.  So far though, the only thing I've seen are mechanical engineering samples.
[17:25] <martyn> ogra : Which is why I'm curious to see if there is, in fact, a working board (or working chip) somewhere.
[19:12] <rsalveti> janimo: I believe the x-loader update issue was supposed to be fixed with the version we're currently using
[19:13] <rsalveti> janimo: when you updated your files, did you copy both x-loader and u-boot or just x-loader?
[19:13] <janimo> rsalveti, both
[19:13] <rsalveti> if this is still an issue, we should also report it
[19:13] <rsalveti> if not able to fix it, then recreating the first partition would be the best solution
[19:14] <janimo> rsalveti, well it may have been the copying to wrong location in VFAT, as I simply copied the files over (after renmaing the old ones to .bak(
[19:15] <rsalveti> janimo: hm, what happens when you copy the one to .bak and overwrite it?
[19:15] <janimo> rsalveti, I'll do some more thought out tests, I recovered form yesterday's by rewriting the whole SD card
[19:15] <janimo> as that too showed kernel errors
[19:15] <janimo> so it may not be an xloader bug at all
[19:16] <rsalveti> hm, ok
[19:16] <ogra> rsalveti, i think only the issue with x-loader not finding u-boot after overwriting it was supposed to be fixed
[19:17] <ogra> fi the fat changes you will still have issues with the rom code
[19:18] <rsalveti> ogra: could be
[19:18] <rsalveti> need to test it more to see what exactly is the issue now
[19:18] <janimo> ogra, the new packages are to be added to the image in livecd-rootfs?
[19:19] <ogra> we need to seed them
[19:19] <janimo> we have no specific seeds for the images right?
[19:19] <ogra> (that should be a workitem)
[19:19] <ogra> there is a seed for kernels and the like iirc
[19:20] <ogra> we have ubuntu-netbook exclusively for armel
[19:20] <ogra> worst case we can seed it there
[19:20] <ogra> but that wont cover minimal installs indeed
[19:21] <ogra> and there is also a prob with subarches, seeds dont know about them
[19:21] <ogra> so we need to install *all* x-loader and u-boot packages
[19:24] <ogra> platform.natty/boot might be an appropriate seed
[19:24] <janimo> ogra, all those packages are for omap based boards now?
[19:24] <janimo> ogra, the seed should be arm specific  I guess
[19:24] <ogra> and a hack in livecd-rootfs to remove the unwanted bootloader
[19:24] <ogra> no
[19:25] <ogra> the seed needs to be general but the line in the seed should be armel onl
[19:25] <ogra> y
[19:25]  * janimo needs to find out what line in the seed means
[19:25]  * janimo checks ubuntu seeds
[19:26] <ogra> so i would suggest adding u-boot and x-loader to platform.natty/boot (after talking with cjwatson) and then having a hack in livecd-rootfs to remove the unwanted ones
[19:26] <ogra> similar to the hack that removes the unwated headers there
[19:26] <janimo> ogra, ok
[19:26] <ogra> the boot seed also carries grub for example
[19:28] <GrueMaster> Would it make sense to have a meta file and seed it?
[19:28] <ogra> we use seeds to produce meta packages normally
[19:29] <GrueMaster> Oh?  I was thinking like with the kernel we have linux-ti-omap
[19:30] <ogra> i dont think the u-boot packages have the version in the package names
[19:30] <GrueMaster> Not that I have a clue about the voodoo needed for seeds/image creation.
[19:30] <ogra> u-boot-linaro-omap3-beagle and u-boot-linaro-omap4-panda
[19:30] <ogra> so we dont need a meta
[19:30] <GrueMaster> ok
[19:31] <ogra> same for x-loader: x-loader-omap3-beagle and x-loader-omap4-panda
[19:31] <ogra> we just need to seed them in the right place and remove what we dont need during rootfs build
[19:59] <ogra> bah, and now janimo is gone
[19:59] <ogra> bad timing
[20:00] <GrueMaster> He definitely needs a caching irc proxy.
[20:02] <ogra> yes
[20:03] <ogra> so after discussion with lool in #linaro i see that we cant seed it but need a different approach
[20:03] <ogra> anyway, here comes my dinner and i'll call it a day
[21:29] <rsalveti> vstehle: and one more time brazil is loosing for france
[22:23]  * lool mocks rsalveti
[22:25] <rsalveti> lool: nothing to say, 19 years without winning a game over france
[22:26] <rsalveti> too bad
[22:26] <lool> And it's the country of football!
[22:26] <rsalveti> yeah... yeah... yeah... hehe
[22:26] <lool> that's said, France wasn't really stellar at the WC
[22:26] <rsalveti> not at all, but it seems it's a lot better already
[22:27] <lool> but it's ok, I can pretend that I don't like football when we lose, and that I love it when we win
[22:27] <rsalveti> hahaha
[23:00] <GrueMaster> Go Packers!!!
[23:00] <GrueMaster> oh, different kind of football?
[23:01] <rsalveti> ops :-)
[23:03] <armin76> lol
[23:04] <armin76> http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/HP-Touchpad-launch/ hrm...dualcore :D
[23:09] <rsalveti> sounds interesting


[08:14] <keremasci> Hi All,
[08:16] <SuneK> Hey
[08:22] <keremasci> Hi,
[08:22] <keremasci> is there anyone there ?
[08:24] <keremasci> Helo
[08:29] <keremasci> Helloooo
[08:37] <thumper> people here, some just very async
[08:49] <kerem> Is there anybody there?
[08:59] <TheAbsentOne> A lot of people are here. :)
[09:08] <icey> when issuing a `juju run`, what user is the command run under? I thought that it was root but I don't have permissions to create some directories, so now I'm curious :)
[09:09] <blahdeblah> icey: ubuntu - same user as if you run 'juju ssh'.  If you want root, you can use sudo.
[09:10] <icey> blahdeblah: yeah, that's what I'm doing now :); thanks!
[15:48] <kwmonroe> arosales: happy valentines day:  bug 1749302
[15:48] <mup> Bug #1749302: manual add-cloud should be more descriptive about the endpoint requirements <docteam> <juju:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1749302>
[15:48] <kwmonroe> better late than never ;)
[16:07] <wpk> rogpeppe: re: my PR, I know; That's what I did at first, there's a deeper problem there with Mongo not joining replicaset (sometimes..)
[16:17] <rogpeppe> wpk: sorry, i don't understand
[16:17] <rogpeppe> wpk: how are the API addresses related to mongo replica sets?
[16:18] <rogpeppe> wpk: it's just that the code that i saw just looked fragile to me.
[16:19] <wpk> rogpeppe: At first I did it your way and it failed (with mongos on HA nodes not joining replicaset), I got to think that those addresses are used for mongo too. Then I did it the way in PR and it worked. Then I tested it again and it didn't
[16:19] <wpk> there's a weird race somewhere, currently working on it
[16:20] <rogpeppe> wpk: hmm, looks like there's a deeper issue there that you're papering over... :)
[16:20] <rogpeppe> wpk: i don't understand why you can't just use all the addresses anyway
[16:21] <rogpeppe> wpk: ah, because you don't want to accidentally connect to a remote node i guess
[16:21] <wpk> rogpeppe: Yes
[16:21] <wpk> rogpeppe: since that caused problems before - that's why we're forcing localhost to be first on the list, but it doesn't help in all cases as apicaller can be up before apiserver
[16:22] <rogpeppe> wpk: you could filter the addresses rather than just choosing the first one (filter all addresses that aren't localhost addresses)
[16:22] <rogpeppe> wpk: that would be more robust (and i think it would make sense in the code too)
[16:22] <wpk> rogpeppe: For controller I'll just give one address in APIInfo.Addrs
[16:23] <wpk> (just like you suggested, as this was my first thought too)
[16:23] <wpk> But for now I need to figure out the deeper issue
[16:23] <rogpeppe> wpk: that's fine too.
[16:23] <rogpeppe> wpk: yeah. replica sets can be unreliable
[16:24] <rogpeppe> wpk: although i don't think we derive API addresses from mongo replicaset addresses do we?
[16:24] <wpk> rogpeppe: we don't
[16:25] <rogpeppe> wpk: ah, i guess that if the API server can't connect to its local mongod, it won't be up and therefore nothing will be able to connect to it
[16:25] <wpk> rogpeppe: the final symptom is that we can't connect to local mongo (as it's not in replicaset), so we can't start state, and since we're only connecting to ourselves we can't start apicaller and the rest of stuff
[16:25] <wpk> rogpeppe: and I guess there's something to prevent it if we can connect to other controllers somehow
[16:25] <rogpeppe> wpk: in that case, i think just filtering for localhost addresses should work fine (and it's a fairly local change)
[16:29] <rogpeppe> wpk: network.SelectInternalHostPort(addrs, true) might do the job
[16:29] <rogpeppe> wpk: or probably SelectInternalHostPorts, although there shouldn't be a difference
[16:29]  * rogpeppe isn't very keen on the juju/network package
[16:45] <wpk> rogpeppe: the problem is somewhere else
[16:45] <wpk> Doesn't work: juju bootstrap aws --no-gui && juju switch controller && juju model-config logging-config="<root>=DEBUG" && juju enable-ha
[16:45] <wpk> Works: juju bootstrap aws --no-gui && juju switch controller && juju model-config logging-config="<root>=DEBUG;juju.mongo=TRACE" && juju enable-ha
[17:29] <arosales> kwmonroe: you know just how to sweet talk me.
[17:29] <kwmonroe> heh
[19:44] <ejat> hi, im facing neutron-gateway/0: hook failed: "config-changed" ... im using openstack-telemetry bundle with MAAS. Any advise how should i resolve the charm
[19:58] <kwmonroe> ejat: how is it failing?  juju debug-log -i neutron-gateway/0 --replay | pastebinit


[00:37] <darkxst> jw12000, it should work, but it will be very slow, since it will use software rendering
[17:06] <gnomer> Hi!
[17:07] <gnomer> Ubuntu Gnome 14.04 will be LTS?
[19:48] <roasted_> darkxst: I just fired up a live USB of ubuntu gnome 13.10 without PPAs (of course) and it too failed to install a printer.
[19:48] <roasted_> doesn't seem to be 3.8 vs 3.10 related, but 13.10 in itself
[19:52] <darkxst> roasted, did it ever work previously?
[19:52] <roasted_> on 13.10, no
[19:53] <roasted_> I've tried 4 printers at this point, all network based.
[19:53] <roasted_> gnome 3.10 in opensuse 13.1... works fine
[19:53] <roasted_> definitely something centralized around the 13.10 release of ubuntu gnome, as far as I can tell, and it doesn't care if I'm on the default 3.8 or PPA'd to 3.10
[19:54] <darkxst> try with a 14.04 image? I can install my network printer here on trusty+3.10 (although it never worked in the past)
[19:57] <roasted_> I can try it
[20:01] <roasted_> by the time this is done downloading I'll be hosting a training session, so I probably won't get to it until much later.
[20:01] <roasted_> is Ubuntu 14.04 changing much in terms of the GTK vs Qt war?
[20:01] <roasted_> Like will Gnome be integrated nicer in Ubuntu 14.04 or will it be heavily driven by PPAs and wizardry workarounds?
[20:05] <darkxst> roasted, it should be slightly better, but you will still need a PPA to get full 3.10
[20:06] <roasted_> ;/
[20:06] <roasted_> darkxst: are you an ubuntu gnome dev?
[20:07] <darkxst> yes
[20:08] <roasted_> darkxst: I'm having a hard time understanding why gnome/ubuntu is a difficult relationship to overcome at the core level. I say this while looking as Xubuntu, who's GTK under the hood, and Mint 16 who have independent-ized Cinnamon to the point it doesn't matter what Ubuntu runs under the hood.
[20:13] <darkxst> roasted_, we have quite a few packages shared with Ubuntu
[20:14] <darkxst> where as xfce is largely independent of GNOME and cinnamon is a fork
[20:18] <roasted_> ah. :(
[20:19] <roasted_> this is the non-dev of me speaking but I would think, if nothing else, you could just pipe Gnome in its entirety to a single PPA and have it come down separately.
[20:19] <roasted_> That way shared libs with Ubuntu get upgraded and missing libs get installed and = Gnome.
[20:24] <darkxst> can't just go replacing shared libs, it messes with the reverse dependencies
[20:30] <roasted_> oh :(
[20:31] <roasted_> it's a shame you can't seemingly have an ubuntu base with an independently (but heavily integrated) gnome instance
[21:03] <darkxst> roasted_, we will get there eventually, hopefully for 14.10
[21:09] <roasted_> darkxst: yeah, I have no doubt. It's just, as long as I can't print, things like that are major show stoppers for me, unfortunately.
[21:11] <darkxst> roasted_,  but you can? your printer installed via system-config-printer should work fine!
[21:11] <roasted_> well, yeah, I suppose
[21:11] <roasted_> still signs of a broken setup (blunt 2c)
[21:12] <roasted_> gotta run though. thanks again.


[01:53] <mdke_> brokey?
[01:54] <mdke_> worky!
[01:58] <mdke_> merry christmas all
[01:58] <jwendell> Hi, i'm trying to add an upstream bug tracker, but i got a 'add affected product' page
[01:58] <jwendell> bug 75810
[01:58] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 75810 in slab "Close button in the about window doesn't work" [Low,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75810
[11:03] <Seveas> anyone awake?
[11:04] <Seveas> launchpad -> mailman seems broken, bugmail from launchpad to people is working, other mailing lists are working but ubuntu-bugs hasn't recived mail for 7+ hours
[11:23] <Seveas> corrction, normal bugmail now also fails to arrive


[00:40] <ChinnoDog> jedijf: yea. This one is good. It rose a lot, though I bet I could get it to rise even more.
[01:30] <EvilResistance> @quit Temporary Shutdown for Systems Upgrades
[02:11] <InHisName> sammich++
[02:12] <EvilResistance> sammich--
[02:13] <InHisName> bacon sammich++
[02:13] <EvilResistance> pie++
[02:13] <EvilResistance> bacon++
[02:13] <EvilResistance> bacon++
[02:13] <EvilResistance> bacon++
[02:13] <EvilResistance> @karma bacon
[02:13] <PennBot> EvilResistance: Karma for "bacon" has been increased 3 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 3.
[02:14] <InHisName> @karma sammich
[02:14] <PennBot> InHisName: Karma for "sammich" has been increased 1 time and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 0.
[02:14] <EvilResistance> WE NEED TO RAISE THE KARMA OF BACON!
[02:14] <InHisName> sammich++
[02:14] <InHisName> bacon++
[02:14] <EvilResistance> bacon?
[02:14] <EvilResistance> NOOOOOO
[02:15] <EvilResistance> @bacon is <reply>GIVE ME THE BACON!!!!
[02:15] <PennBot> Dunno, EvilResistance.
[02:15] <InHisName> "chocolate dipped deep fried rock candy"++
[02:15] <EvilResistance> blah
[02:15] <EvilResistance> bacon is <reply>GIVE ME THE BACON!!!!
[02:15] <EvilResistance> bacon?
[02:15] <EvilResistance> wth
[02:15] <EvilResistance> did it die again
[02:15] <InHisName> @karma sammich
[02:15] <PennBot> InHisName: Karma for "sammich" has been increased 2 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 1.
[02:16] <EvilResistance> @whoami
[02:16] <PennBot> EvilResistance: Resistance
[02:16] <InHisName> @karma bacon
[02:16] <EvilResistance> good
[02:16] <PennBot> InHisName: Karma for "bacon" has been increased 4 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 4.
[02:16] <InHisName> @whoami
[02:16] <PennBot> InHisName: InHisName
[02:16] <InHisName> bacon?
[02:16] <InHisName> bacon ?
[02:16] <EvilResistance> not sure why its not working
[02:16] <EvilResistance> @bacon
[02:16] <PennBot> EvilResistance: Error: "bacon" is not a valid command.
[02:16] <EvilResistance> thought so
[02:17] <EvilResistance> @config search Infobot
[02:17] <PennBot> EvilResistance: supybot.plugins.Infobot, supybot.plugins.Infobot.public, supybot.plugins.Infobot.personality, supybot.plugins.Infobot.boringDunno, supybot.plugins.Infobot.unaddressed, supybot.plugins.Infobot.unaddressed.snarfDefinitions, supybot.plugins.Infobot.unaddressed.answerQuestions, and supybot.plugins.Infobot.unaddressed.replyExistingFactoid
[02:21] <InHisName> @bacon is <reply>Cholestoral, here it comes baby!!
[02:21] <PennBot> No idea!
[02:21] <InHisName> bacon?
[02:21] <InHisName> @bacon is<reply>Cholestoral, here it comes baby!!
[02:22] <PennBot> I don't have a clue!
[02:25] <EvilResistance> o.O
[02:26] <EvilResistance> oh dear
[02:26] <EvilResistance> @unload Infobot
[02:26] <PennBot> EvilResistance: Command Succeeded.
[02:26] <EvilResistance> it seems...
[02:26] <EvilResistance> the system upgrades killed infobot
[02:27] <EvilResistance> hmm
[02:27] <EvilResistance> i'll have to fix this
[02:29] <EvilResistance> no wonder it wasnt working :/
[02:34] <EvilResistance> @bacon is <reply>BACON
[02:34] <PennBot> Dunno!
[02:35] <EvilResistance> wth is this...
[02:35] <EvilResistance> whys it using .pickle.db instead of .sqlite.db....
[02:37] <EvilResistance> @unload Infobot
[02:37] <PennBot> EvilResistance: Command Succeeded.
[02:38] <EvilResistance> @seen andres
[02:38] <PennBot> EvilResistance: I have not seen andres.
[02:38] <EvilResistance> @seen andrew
[02:38] <PennBot> EvilResistance: andrew was last seen in #ubuntu-us-pa 4 hours, 14 minutes, and 32 seconds ago: <andrew> EvilResistance: No problem
[02:42] <brian_s> hey all
[02:42] <brian_s> sory I am late
[02:47] <waltman> oh yeah, today's the 3rd Thursday night, isn't it?
[02:47] <andrew> @seen andrew
[02:47] <PennBot> andrew: andrew was last seen in #ubuntu-us-pa 4 hours, 22 minutes, and 56 seconds ago: <andrew> EvilResistance: No problem
[02:47] <jedijf> meeting only happen when needed on first and 3rd
[02:47] <jedijf> s
[02:47] <EvilResistance> andrew:  i'm testing to make sure none of the other plugin dbs got exploded
[02:47] <andrew> exploded?
[02:48] <EvilResistance> infobot's down until i can figure this thing out
[02:48] <EvilResistance> a supybot update broke infobot
[02:48] <EvilResistance> *shrugs*
[02:48] <andrew> not surprising
[02:48] <EvilResistance> i'll fix it later, i'm dead tired and need sleep
[03:27] <InHisName> I'm baaack !
[03:31] <andrew> http://cfgfactory.com/images/i/4f2d27b992a2a_tumblr_lvrp8bU9AV1qibz0jo1_500.png
[03:37] <InHisName> xrdp now wont recognize my passwords anymore.
[09:59] <JonathanD> Morning.
[10:24] <rmg51> morning JonathanD
[10:24] <JonathanD> Hey rmg51, whats up?
[10:25] <rmg51> nothing much
[10:25] <rmg51> just reading the morning paper
[10:26] <JonathanD> Most excellent.
[10:26] <JonathanD> I'm reading my mail.
[10:29] <rmg51> I usually put off reading my snail-mail
[10:29] <JonathanD> My email.
[10:34] <rmg51> delete and junk get used the most there:P
[13:13] <waltman> *YAWN*
[17:27] <adom> bacon?
[17:27]  * adom is disapoint.
[18:44] <EvilResistance> adom, its broken, so i disabled it
[18:44] <EvilResistance> an update to my system exploded it
[18:49] <EvilResistance> lol?
[18:49] <EvilResistance> damn still broke...
[18:49] <EvilResistance> i'll have to check the error logs later...
[19:27] <InHisName> I installed tightvncviewer and still having issues getting X11 to work with it.
[20:18] <MutantTurkey> longest night ever
[20:20] <jedijf> it's night?
[20:29] <MutantTurkey> time to finally zleeeeep
[20:29] <MutantTurkey> sleep
[20:29] <MutantTurkey> ZzzZ
[20:32] <adom> happy weekend all
[20:32]  * adom is outttaaa heeerrrreee