[00:27] <navonod> hi
[07:00] <BobJonkman> Hi navonod!
[07:01] <BobJonkman> As you can tell, many of us just keep this channel open in the background, and catch up on the backscroll at infrequent intervals


[00:05] <Bashing-om> krytarik: was a bit back - in respect to the section as a sub corrupting the table of contents - so we did go with bulletting the "New Members". You think nornal type for the name is the better ?
[00:09] <krytarik> And well, it looks like the language name on the list has been labelled 'sortkey' previously too and now it isn't anymore, which is why the script picked the wrong values - and moving all items one place down fixes it.
[00:10] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Looking again at my script :P
[00:11] <krytarik> Yeah, I think it generally looks odd to make something bold, since we aren't doing this in the text anywhere else - unless there is a good reason to highlight the names.
[00:11] <krytarik> Well, committing this shortly, so..
[00:11] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Sounds good will revert that bold type.
[00:12] <krytarik> http://paste.openstack.org/show/hQLUdDSH9BwWYIgbtvbB/ - is what I've done there.
[00:14] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Thanks - will fix my script and test it live :P
[00:18] <krytarik> Committed and pushed.
[00:19] <Bashing-om> krytarik: \o/
[00:21] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::uwn-commits:: Update translations script. @ http://git.launchpad.net/uwn/commit/?id=96815be308c19ff6872ecea24610f4e0700692a5 (by Krytarik Raido)
[00:22] <krytarik> And I think the only case where we've been using the previous Ubuntu release still is when the new development one wasn't available yet.
[00:32] <Bashing-om> UWN: Edits completed - Added "Hirsute" heading also to translations.
[00:38] <guiverc> Linux On the Desktop/s/Rick Reminds/Rick reminds/  (will add comment to gdoc shortly)
[00:44] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Ouch ! Fixing :P
[00:51] <guiverc> finished read thru, that's all I saw
[01:03] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Stephen Michael Kellat: Sliding Toward A Holiday @ http://coyote.works//posts/RainFalls20201122/
[01:10] <krytarik> Bashing-om: Please revert the addition of the current translation focus to the stats list, because not only does it not make sense in context of the latter and looks odd as you've done it, but we've only mentioned a series in the past if it wasn't the latest due to availability as mentioned above.. or used to anyway.
[01:11] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Ack.
[08:30] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Exploring ROS 2 Kubernetes configurations @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/exploring-ros-2-kubernetes-configurations
[16:31] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: Kdenlive Devs Fix Multitude of Bugs in Latest Release @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2020/11/kdenlive-20-08-3-bug-fix-release (by Joey Sneddon)
[20:59] <Bashing-om> UWN: Pulling "WIP" - Time to push @21:30 UTC .
[21:29] <Bashing-om> UWN: ubuntu-news@lists is away - doing the Forum post next :D
[21:33] <guiverc> want me to post to fridge?  (I got a few mins)
[21:34] <krytarik> guiverc: Yes!
[21:36] <guiverc> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2020/11/23/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-658/
[21:36] <krytarik> Thanks!
[21:36] <guiverc> tweeted, but I won't do fb sorry  (I haven't time)
[21:38] <krytarik> Yeah, we can leave that to Wild_Man.. >_<
[21:42] <Bashing-om> UWN: Forum posted - abridged update sections. Doing the re-directs next.
[21:51] <Bashing-om> UWN: Re-directs completed. Awaiting Wild_Man to do the FaceBook post - Then we start all over again :P
[22:00] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: The Fridge: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 658 @ http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2020/11/23/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-658/
[22:40] <Wild_Man> Doing it in a minute, twitter too/
[22:41] <Wild_Man> I see tweeter is done
[22:41] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Chris tweeted already :D
[22:45] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, Done
[22:46] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: All clear now to wipe Gdoc ?
[22:46] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, yes
[22:46] <Bashing-om> wiping :P
[22:52] <Bashing-om> UWN: We do 659.


[05:22] <achandrashekar> hello..does anyone know how to configure nbdswapd.conf
[05:22] <achandrashekar> i have a 30 clients that hav about 383mb a piece..
[05:22] <achandrashekar> they are all p3s
[05:22] <johnny> it's an lts.conf parameter
[05:23] <achandrashekar> oh..no need to create the nbdwapd.conf file anymore?
[05:23] <achandrashekar> in 8.04?
[05:23] <achandrashekar> or is that appended to lts.conf now.
[05:23] <achandrashekar> ??
[05:24] <achandrashekar> specifically i need to know what to set the value to...i.e...if each system has 383mb what to set it to.
[05:24] <achandrashekar> SIZE=??
[07:58] <stgraber> ogra: btw, just reminding you to ask about my CMPC for iTalc testing :) (I also poked RichEd)
[07:59] <RichEd> stgraber: i asked in a mail last night :) ... we meet with them in 2 min
[07:59] <RichEd> no promise of rapid response ... but the topic has been raised
[07:59] <stgraber> RichEd: cool, thanks
[09:08] <neil> Hi I am trying to setup faxing for the clients, what is the best way to do this?   GFax isn't working fully :(, efax-gtk dosen't put its phone number on the correct screen :(
[09:14] <johnny> you should probably file a bug
[09:14] <johnny> for efax-gtk
[09:14] <johnny> and also find out their mailing lists or something
[10:33] <neil> I have installed the ltsp-server package, but the tftp server isn't working :( I tested with another computer with the 'tftp' program, what could be stoping it ?
[12:47] <astinus> Can anyone suggest a more appropriate channel to discuss serious LTSP issues with Hardy?
[12:47] <astinus> or did I manage to land in the correct place :)
[12:49] <ogra> astinus, here or #ltsp is fine
[12:50] <ogra> most ppl here are in both channels anyway :)
[12:51] <astinus> ogra: I'm getting a nasty /dev/nbd0 on /rofs issue
[12:51] <stgraber> what kind ?
[12:52] <astinus> ogra: we just regenerated SSH keys for our LTSP server, it had been dist-upgraded to Hardy previously but we'd kept the LTSP NBD chroot as Gutsy for some decent enough reasons
[12:52] <ogra> thats likely to break
[12:52] <astinus> anyway... that went boom when the SSH key change happened, and squashfs-tools appears to have changed in Hardy such that it no longer builds viable stuff
[12:52] <astinus> *so* I rebuilt a brand new chroot using ltsp-build-blah which also fails
[12:53] <astinus> its being exported via NBD just fine, the DHCP servers and TFTP is fine too :(
[12:53] <ogra> so whats the exact error message
[12:53] <astinus> Mounting /dev/nbd0 on /rofs failed: No such device
[12:53] <ogra> and how exactly did you rebuild ? did you properly clean out /opt/ltsp =
[12:54] <stgraber> are you sure your client is running Hardy's kernel ? (2.6.24-16)
[12:54] <ogra> "  No such device" sounds like a kernel issue
[12:54] <astinus> yeah.. we have a somewhat hacked environment because we cannot run DHCP on our LTSP boxes, but /opt/ltsp on the servers got wiped, and its definitely running a Hardy kernel
[12:54] <stgraber> can you try to : modprobe nbd
[12:54] <stgraber> on a client
[12:54] <ogra> in busybox
[12:54] <astinus> sec
[12:55] <astinus> modprobe nbd works
[12:55] <ogra> that looks like you are not using an ltsp initramfs
[12:56] <ogra> (which forcefully lodas nbd)
[12:56] <stgraber> astinus: try, nbdclient <server> <port> /dev/nbd0
[12:56] <astinus> stgraber: I can't do that, busybox has no concept of nbdclient
[12:57] <ogra> nbd-client
[12:57] <ogra> (missing a dash)
[12:57] <stgraber> hmm, right nbd-client :)
[12:57] <astinus> generates a large stack trace
[12:57] <astinus> with end error message being "File exists."
[13:00] <astinus> we use DHCP to bounce the request (via next-server) to our LTSP box, which runs TFTP and the pxelinux.cfg/default is set to:
[13:00] <astinus> DEFAULT vmlinuz ro initrd=initrd.img nosplash nbdport=2003
[13:00] <astinus> inside that directory is all the usual stuff, vmlinuz + initrd + nbi
[13:01] <astinus> so the kernel seems to load fine... but something is causing /dev/nbd0 to not work :(
[13:01] <ogra> grep nbdroot /etc/inetd.conf ?
[13:01] <astinus> exists
[13:01] <astinus> and netstat shows them running fine
[13:01] <ogra> i want to see the lines
[13:02] <astinus> 2003           stream  tcp      nowait  nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdrootd /opt/ltsp/images/bytemark-hardy.img
[13:02] <ogra> bytemark-hardy.img is what you built as new chroot/image ?
[13:02] <astinus> correct.
[13:02] <ogra> ok
[13:02] <astinus> 289M -rwxr--r-- 1 root root 289M 2008-05-14 12:48 bytemark-hardy.img
[13:03] <ogra> des it work to run nbd-client as above from another machine
[13:03] <ogra> *does
[13:03] <ogra> sudo modprobe nbd && sudo nbd-client <server ip> 2003 /dev/nbd0
[13:04] <astinus> [alex #8] images > sudo nbd-client <IP_ADDRESS> 2003 /dev/nbd0
[13:04] <astinus> Negotiation: ..size = 295532KB
[13:04] <astinus> bs=1024, sz=295532
[13:04] <ogra> hmm, looks fine as well
[13:05] <astinus> okay, after the DHCP ip config on boot
[13:05] <astinus> I do actually see the NBD negotiation happen and succeed
[13:05] <ogra> aha
[13:05] <astinus> but then I get the message above...
[13:05] <astinus> can't get it onto /rofs
[13:06] <astinus> which is why its so puzzling....
[13:06] <ogra> and you surely rebuilt the chroot and image and didnt just run apt-get dist-upgrade in there ?
[13:06] <astinus> yeah
[13:07] <astinus> it was totally rebuilt, after my Gutsy one stopped working
[13:07] <ogra> it still smells like a wrongly set up initramfs to me
[13:07] <astinus> right.. so lets manually ensure thats correct, lemme chroot in, one sec
[13:07] <astinus> should /etc/modules in a newly created chroot contain nbd + other stuff?
[13:08] <ogra> no
[13:08] <astinus> then how is the LTSP stuff building the initramfs?
[13:09] <ogra> its set in  /usr/share/initramfs-tools/conf.d/ using teh script /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/ltsp-nbd during boot
[13:09] <RichEd> ogra: when is today's meeting slot ?
[13:10] <ogra> RichEd, i whish the fridge could tell
[13:10] <stgraber> supposed to be a late one
[13:10] <ogra> stgraber, did we do an early one last week ?
[13:10] <astinus> /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts  << does not contain a ltsp-nbd script
[13:10] <ogra> right
[13:10] <ogra> astinus, in the chroot
[13:10] <stgraber> ogra: kind of :)
[13:10] <astinus> correct.
[13:10] <RichEd> cool stgraber is as good as a fridge
[13:10] <stgraber> ogra: you forgot about it and we talked for a sec in #edubuntu instead
[13:11] <astinus> oh wait, I'm being a muppet
[13:11]  * astinus checks again
[13:12] <ogra> stgraber, right, i justs couldnt remember the time, my wednesdays are overcaset by total tiredness nowadays, having my first meeting at 7am and intel calls afterwards isnt really relaxing :/
[13:14] <astinus> ogra: Alright, I think it was missing NBD, maybe...
[13:14] <astinus> ogra: I've built the initrd again with NBD explicitly enabled, and I'm now getting a nastier 'Negotiation: Error: Server closed connection.' message after the DHCP IP config stuff
[13:15] <ogra> anything in the server logs ?
[13:17] <astinus> where does NBD log by default?
[13:17] <astinus> finding it on the loghost via grep would take all day :(
[13:17] <stgraber> syslog
[13:18] <astinus> Hrmph
[13:18] <astinus> its looking for /opt/ltsp/images/amd64.img
[13:18] <astinus> we're trying to supply it bytemark-hardy.img
[13:19] <ogra> what is "it" ?
[13:20] <ogra> nbdrootd or do you additionally have an nbd-server configured (dont do that)
[13:20] <astinus> okay, thats fixed
[13:20] <astinus> nbd_server[5836]: connect from <IP_ADDRESS>, assigned file is /opt/ltsp/images/amd64.img
[13:21] <astinus> nbd_server[6199]: connect from <IP_ADDRESS>, assigned file is /opt/ltsp/images/amd64.img
[13:21] <astinus> nbd_server[6199]: Size of exported file/device is 302624768
[13:21] <astinus> so that's now working, but we're back to the /rofs error
[13:21] <ogra> right
[13:21] <ogra> are your clients amd64 machines ?
[13:21] <astinus> the chroot is i386
[13:21] <astinus> the fact its looking for amd64.img is an anomaly
[13:21] <astinus> the clients are a mixture
[13:21] <ogra> welll, you apparently boot amd6.img
[13:22] <ogra> which indeed cant work at all
[13:22] <astinus> where is that configured though?
[13:22] <ogra> inetd.conf
[13:22] <astinus> my fix was simple, hardlink amd64.img -> bytemark-hardy.img
[13:22] <ogra> depending on eh port your kernel tries to connect to
[13:22] <astinus> 2000           stream  tcp      nowait  nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdrootd /opt/ltsp/images/bytemark-hardy.img
[13:22] <ogra> well, your pxe config showed 2003 before for that image
[13:22] <astinus> I just altered that.
[13:22] <astinus> its expected.
[13:23] <astinus> nbdport=2000 is defined in the pxelinux.cfg file
[13:23] <astinus> it *is* mounting the image, as evidenced by nbd_server logs + the client showing the right sorta strings...
[13:23] <astinus> its just not able to do stuff *after* that for some reason
[13:23] <ogra> it logs the connect attempt ...
[13:24] <ogra> *attempt* :)
[13:24] <ogra> hmm
[13:24] <ogra> that server is amd64 ?
[13:24] <astinus> correct.
[13:24] <ogra> hmm
[13:24] <astinus> clients are a mixture, so we do lowest common denominator and run i386
[13:24] <astinus> but there's no reason interoperability between the two should be broken
[13:25] <ogra> did you run the rebuild like that: ltsp-build-client --arch i386 --chroot bytemark-hardy
[13:25] <ogra> ?
[13:25] <ogra> when you upgraded
[13:26] <astinus> wyeah
[13:26] <ogra> so you are 100% positive you dont have an amd64 image now
[13:26] <ogra> ?
[13:26] <astinus> yes
[13:27] <ogra> (which will be the default if you didnt additionally give the --arch option)
[13:27] <astinus> I definitely passed --arch and --chroot
[13:36]  * astinus sighs
[13:36] <astinus> i'm adding tons of debug stuff to the script which is failing and we'll go from there I guess
[13:37]  * ogra would try to mv /opt/ltsp /opt/ltsp.bak and re-run ltsp-build-client for a test
[13:38]  * astinus is doing that too
[13:38] <ogra> and also with a clean inetd.conf and tftp dir
[14:15] <moquist> We have a clean install of 7.04 Edubuntu where adding -r to /etc/default/syslogd breaks TC booting. The server logs a DHCPOFFER, but the TC never gets it.
[14:17] <ogra> moquist, is there an /etc/ltsp/syslog file ?
[14:17] <ogra> hmm, 7.04 ... ancient ....
[14:19] <astinus> heh, 12 months old != ancient
[14:19] <ogra> in the ubuntu world ....
[14:19] <astinus> I really disagree with the notion a large organization should need to update every 6-12 months. It's just not feasible with 2500 servers.  Weird.
[14:22] <ogra> hmm
[14:22] <ogra> DNS issue ?
[14:23]  * ogra wonders if syslog tries host lookups
[14:23] <moquist> how would that make DHCPOFFERs logged by the server never reach the TCs?
[14:23] <ogra> good question
[14:24] <ogra> did feisty have a syslog user ?
[14:24]  * ogra cant remember
[14:24] <ogra> if so, try -r -u syslog
[14:24] <ogra> instead of plain -r
[14:24] <ogra> that way it should at least not be able to interfer with dhcpd
[14:25] <ogra> no matter what it does
[14:27] <moquist> ogra: you're right; feisty's default "-u syslog" gets tromped by putting "-r" in /etc/default/syslogd
[14:27] <moquist> we'll try that out
[14:27] <moquist> ogra: thanks
[14:27] <ogra> :)
[17:23] <komputes> ogra: ping
[17:23] <ogra> komputes, ?
[17:23] <komputes> ogra: how are you?
[17:24] <ogra> busy packing my bags fr tomorrow :)
[17:24] <komputes> gunna be a fun trip?
[17:24] <ogra> meeting all ubuntu devs ? sure :)
[17:25] <komputes> ogra: that awesome. just a quick question about the LTSPQuickInstall instructions from yesterday, I seem to be having trouble with DHCP since the server it is not listening on any interface.
[17:26] <ogra> did you configure the interfacs with a static IP as described ?
[17:26] <ogra> *interface
[17:27] <komputes> yes /etc/network/interfaces has been setup for static with address, netmask, network, broadcast, gateway, dns
[17:27] <ogra> for which IP ?
[17:27] <komputes> <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:27] <ogra> well, then it should work, any messages in syslog ?
[17:28] <ogra> from dhcpd
[17:28] <komputes> i canb pastebin it if it would be more helpful
[17:28] <komputes> let me check
[17:29] <komputes> ogra: pretty much the same dhcp error "Not configured to listen on any interface"
[17:29] <komputes> that and no subnet declaration for (restart <IP_ADDRESS>)
[17:29] <ogra> but the <IP_ADDRESS> interface is up ?
[17:29] <komputes> yes
[17:29] <komputes> up with the ip i gave it and everything
[17:30] <komputes> i changed /etc/defaults/dhcp3-server to listen on eth0, still nada
[17:30] <ogra> dont do that !
[17:30] <komputes> ok will remore and retry
[17:30] <ogra> revert that change
[17:31] <komputes> remove*
[17:31] <ogra> dhcpd checks all interfaces for a matching ip on startup, thats disabled if you specify one in that file
[17:31] <komputes> make sense
[17:31] <ogra> and interface names are not static nowadays
[17:32] <ogra> your eth0 might become eth1 or eth2 there is no guarantee it stays eth0 forever
[17:32] <komputes> depending on which order the kernel loads them in, i.e. usb eth adapter can be placed at high priority and get eth0 before the intrgrated controller, yes
[17:33] <komputes> ogra: ok so i will try restarting the dhcpd to see if it spits back an error
[17:34] <komputes> same thing, 1) No subnet declaration for restart (<IP_ADDRESS>) 2) Not configured to listen on any interfaces
[17:35] <ogra> did you make any changes to /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf ?
[17:35] <komputes> ogra: how about the change i made to /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
[17:35] <komputes> great minds think alike ha
[17:36] <ogra> well, fix the file :) by default it should just work
[17:36] <ogra> what did you change ?
[17:36] <komputes> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=599166
[17:36] <komputes> just like on there
[17:36] <komputes> copy paste
[17:36] <komputes> first post
[17:37] <ogra> but why ?
[17:37] <komputes> because i tried just booting a thinclient off the base ltsp server install and it did not work, so I tried configuring it
[17:37] <ogra> indeed thats broken with the LTSPQuickinstall notes as well as the defaults
[17:37] <komputes> :-?
[17:38]  * ogra shrieaks
[17:38] <ogra> sudo sh -c 'echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward'
[17:38] <ogra> *SIGH*
[17:38] <ogra> its fun if people dont know what they are doing and write documentation about it
[17:39] <ogra> why the heck does the poster think he needs nat ?
[17:39] <komputes> ;) welcome to Ubuntu!
[17:39] <ogra> heh
[17:39] <ogra> the networks are separated on purpose by default :)
[17:39] <ogra> its a feature that there is no nat (needed)
[17:41] <ogra> yay for mixinag all available info for a topic across the board
[17:41] <komputes> I don't know that I made a point of NAT, i just copied the /etc/ltsp/dhcp and the /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/default/dhcp which i later reverted
[17:42] <komputes> actually the /etc/default change was recommended by a collegue, so all this being said and done, i'm still confused on how to setup an LTSP server and client.
[17:42] <ogra> well, for that setup you need a 192.168.1.XX network set up first place
[17:42] <komputes> ogra: no need, it's just 2 pc's with a crossover
[17:43] <ogra> well, the instructions on LTSPQuickInstall should have given you a working ltsp without more configuration
[17:43] <komputes> didn't
[17:43] <komputes> shoulda but didna
[17:43] <ogra> before or after you fiddels with the files ?
[17:43] <komputes> before
[17:43] <ogra> well, would have been nice to ave a look at your setup back then
[17:43] <komputes> i can reset them all back to defaults and the dhcp server still won't start
[17:44]  * ogra doubts that
[17:44] <komputes> ogra: oh i'll just time machine system restore mya........oh
[17:44]  * komputes sticks his head in the dirt
[17:44] <ogra> the dhcp server wil start as soon as you define an 192.168.1.X network or change the dhcpd.conf file to match the 192.168.0.x net you have now
[17:45] <ogra> either will make it start
[17:46] <ogra> as i said before, the dhsp server looks for static interfaces matching the network setup in dhcpd.conf
[17:46] <komputes> let me take a look
[17:46] <ogra> if there is a declaration for 10.0.1.X you need an interface with a static ip like <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:46] <komputes> ok
[17:47] <ogra> the forums post simply breaks that default without noting it anywhere
[17:48] <komputes> so /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf need to match at which line?
[17:48] <ogra> your interface needs to match the network you declared in dhcpd.conf
[17:49] <ogra> look at the subnet and range declarations
[17:49] <ogra> make sure the IP in your interfaces file has the same first three bytes identical
[17:50] <komputes>  ok interfaces was on 0.x and dhcpd.conf was on 1.x
[17:50] <ogra> right
[17:50] <ogra> make them match
[17:50] <ogra> then start dhcpd
[17:50] <ogra> (and indeed make sure the interface actually uses the ip)
[17:50] <ogra> ifdown/ifup
[17:52] <komputes> ogra: made them match, same error
[17:52] <ogra> ifconfig reports the interface runs with that ip ?
[17:53] <komputes> <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:53] <ogra> and you changed the dhcpd.conf ?
[17:53] <ogra> to match the 192.168.0. addresspace ?
[17:53] <komputes> must it say 0.140 in dhcpd.conf?
[17:53] <ogra> no
[17:53] <komputes> because i have that nowhere
[17:53] <ogra> pastebin interfaces and dhcpd.conf
[17:54] <komputes> ok
[17:54] <komputes> thanks for your hgelp btw
[17:56] <komputes> ogra: pastebin.com/m1512ed78
[17:58] <ogra> these are the exact files ?
[17:59] <ogra> and where is your loopback inerface in the ifconfig output ?
[17:59] <ogra> *interface
[18:01] <komputes> ogra: i excluded lo and wifi0
[18:01] <ogra> and whats the output of: dpkg -l dhcp3-server
[18:01] <ogra> wifi0 ?
[18:01] <ogra> what ip does that have ?
[18:01] <komputes> sorry wlan0, all disconnected no ip
[18:02] <ogra> k
[18:02] <komputes> you want the version?
[18:02] <ogra> yes
[18:02] <komputes> dhcp3-server 3.0.6.dfsg-1ubuntu9
[18:03] <ogra> hmm, thas right as well
[18:03] <komputes> mmmhmmm
[18:03] <komputes> that's why i'm kicking myself
[18:03] <ogra> i see no reason why dhcpd wouldnt start in a default ubuntu hardy with ths setup
[18:04] <ogra> its definately used in the default config by many many people
[18:04]  * komputes sighs
[18:05] <komputes> well thanks for the effort
[18:05] <ogra> hmm
[18:05] <ogra> the error message you get is quite weird though
[18:05] <komputes> tell me aboot it
[18:05] <ogra> No subnet declaration for restart (<IP_ADDRESS>)
[18:06] <komputes> and i did declare the subnet, but i think it may be lkooking in another file perhaps? maybe?
[18:06] <ogra> not if /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf exists
[18:06] <komputes> it does
[18:06] <ogra> that overrides everything
[18:07] <ogra> grep ltsp /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server
[18:07] <ogra> just to be sure
[18:08] <komputes> WOHOO
[18:08] <ogra> ?
[18:08] <komputes> restarted the computer and the thin client and I'm at the Usplash
[18:08] <ogra> ah, great
[18:08] <ogra> i wonder why you couldnt restart dhcpd then
[18:08] <ogra> hmm, well
[18:09] <komputes> i'll try it again now see if i get the same error
[18:09] <komputes> (that ios if i get a login prompt any time soon)    ;)
[18:09] <ogra> you wont ... if it started properly
[18:10] <komputes> blinking cursor in the corner (oh blinky what does thou want?)
[18:11] <ogra> did you add an lts.conf file (you shouldnt)
[18:12] <komputes> no
[18:12] <ogra> what graphics card does the client have ?
[18:13] <komputes> amd
[18:13] <ogra> geode ?
[18:13] <ogra> geode is broken sadly, fix is on the way but might take some time still
[18:14] <komputes> no, not this one
[18:14] <ogra> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/214119
[18:14] <komputes> i'm working with the developer for geode on another box which is what i will be testing on this LTSP
[18:15] <ogra> all that amd, nsc and geode stuff is a bit confused atm
[18:15] <komputes> This one is just AMD not geode, but shouldn't that be automatically configured with the all wonderful new X in 8.04
[18:15] <ogra> well, it has issues there were naming and driver changes
[18:15]  * komputes is getting anopther computer with intel video to see if he can network boot
[18:16] <ogra> you might need to create an lts.conf file and force XSERVER=amd or XSERVER=nsc (not sure which one your card needs)
[18:16] <ogra> the pci codes for amd/geode and nsc are messed up as i understand the bug
[18:17] <komputes> what if the network is made up of a slew of different computers (like many schools) with multiple random video cards?
[18:17] <ogra> well, apart from the geode mess it should be fine
[18:18] <ogra> i have several via and trident clients here that all work without a hitch
[18:18] <komputes> ok, i got to gdm for the ltsp with intel video, now i need to add a user
[18:18] <ogra> s/gdm/ldm/ :)
[18:18] <ogra> no xdmcp in ltsp5
[18:18] <komputes> ah
[18:18] <komputes> i just got used to calling login prompt gdm
[18:19] <komputes> it does look diff now that you mention it
[18:19] <ogra> (you can force it though, but nobody made the features work for it)
[18:19] <ogra> ldm has an unencrypted mode you can switch on in lts.conf with the LDM_DIRECTX variable
[18:20] <ogra> in case you find the default encrypted ssh tunnel to slow
[18:20] <komputes> well I think I can manage from here, but I do hope that this becomes simpler for educational purposes
[18:20] <ogra> well, if X isnt broken it usually works fine :)
[18:21]  * ogra cant do much about upstream breaking the drivers
[18:21] <komputes> true. true.
[18:21] <komputes> i'm working on it! ;)
[18:22] <ogra> why are you not at UDS btw ?
[18:22] <komputes> alas I have no idea, i thought i was going
[18:22] <ogra> Q-funk the debian maintainer of the geode/amd/nsc driver will be there
[18:22] <komputes> it's prague right?
[18:22] <ogra> yep
[18:22] <komputes> i'm not much of a dev yet though
[18:23] <komputes> i'd love to meet everyone though
[18:23] <ogra> yeah
[18:24] <komputes> when you see cr3's shirt, tell him komputes did a good job!
[18:24] <ogra> will do :)
[18:24] <ogra> i'll surely spend one or the other evening with him :)
[18:25] <ogra> even though i dont see him listed on https://launchpad.net/sprints/uds-intrepid
[18:26] <komputes> hehe, you have to light a fire under his .... maybe then he'll sprint
[18:26] <ogra> lol
[18:26] <ogra> well, i see him on the room list, all fine :)
[18:27] <komputes> btw, just a follow up, i created a few users, no user can log into the LTSP server
[18:27] <highvoltage> howdy. is there a meeting tonight?
[18:29] <ogra> highvoltage, RichEd wanted to make one, i'm not sure i can really pay attention though (packing here)
[18:29] <komputes> ogra: and they all have permissions for FuseFS/LTSP
[18:29] <ogra> komputes, what does the login maager tell you ?
[18:30] <RichEd> ogra & highvoltage : I have a phone interview at 9:00-10:00 pm ... I will pop into the channel after it ends.
[18:30] <komputes> ogra: user settings or login window?
[18:30] <ogra> komputes, login window
[18:30] <RichEd> We can see who is around for a meeting then,
[18:30] <highvoltage> RichEd: ok
[18:31] <komputes> ogra: i love the names of the utilities changing every distro, it's so....um...consistant
[18:32] <ogra> well, whats the error you get trying to log in ?
[18:32] <ogra> i bet its an ssh key issue because you used the wrong ip in the beginning
[18:33] <komputes> ogra: ah, do i need to keygen on the server?
[18:33] <ogra> (so the workstation key isnt matching)
[18:33] <ogra> komputes,  depends what error message you get
[18:33] <komputes> it says that the users is not allowed to login via LTSP or something.brb
[18:33] <ogra> the exact message would be most helpful :)
[18:34] <komputes> rebooting because login window kept crashing
[18:35] <ogra> if its "This *Workstation* isnt authorized ..." you need to run: sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys && sudo ltsp-update-image .... get a coffee, reboot the client and log in
[18:36] <komputes> ok i can't get into Admin>Login Window at all, but i'll try that thx
[18:36] <ogra> ????
[18:36] <ogra> what are you talking about ?
[18:36] <ogra> i'm taking about the login window on a thin client
[18:37] <ogra> the screen that comes up asking for userbame and password if you boot a client
 komputes, what does the login maager tell you ? <ogra> komputes, login window - ahhhh never mind
[18:38] <komputes> ok the error on the client is: The workstation isn't authorized
[18:38] <ogra> right
[18:38] <ogra> run the command from above
[18:38] <komputes> so let me try your recommendationsd
[18:38] <ogra> sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys && sudo ltsp-update-image
[18:38] <ogra> copy paste that ;)
[18:39] <ogra> (and i'm serious about the coffee ... it takes a moment)
[18:39] <komputes> lunch time! yabadabadooo
[18:39] <komputes> thx ogra, lifesaver, truely
[18:39] <ogra> (all that doesnt happen if you configure the IP right in the beginning btw)
[18:40] <komputes> in the begining meaning debian installer blue screen?
[18:40] <ogra> i guess all we deal with atm is based on that one issue
[18:40] <ogra> no, before installing ltsp-server-standalone and running ltsp-build-client
[18:40] <ogra> if the IP is set the keys are generated properly
[18:40] <ogra> (and the dhcpd.conf doesnt fail :) )
[18:40] <komputes> i didn't do that, i followed this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
[18:41] <ogra> You need to set up one static network interface where you will attach the thin clients, install two packages and run one command.
[18:41] <ogra> Configure your spare interface for the thin clients to have the IP <IP_ADDRESS> (and make sure it is up and running), then follow the instructions below.
[18:41] <komputes> i did straigt from alternate CD not installing ltsp-server-standalone and running ltsp-build-client after
[18:41] <ogra> thats the first two sentences on that page for installing ltsp on an existing system
[18:41] <ogra> oh
[18:41] <ogra> from CD
[18:41] <komputes> right but you say "before" as if i had a "before point"
[18:42] <ogra> well, thats a prob with the wlan ... the trick here wzld have been to use the wlan as default device during install
[18:42] <ogra> *would
[18:42] <ogra> then ltsp your just have grabbed the cable device and claimed it
[18:43] <ogra>  bet you installed with a cble plugged in and using that interface, right ?
[18:43] <komputes> not sure how to do that durring the install, plus most wifi need drivers loaded to be configured, so that's not a solution really...
[18:43] <ogra> well, wlan in ltsp servers is really not the common case
[18:43] <komputes> ogra: actually i didn't and i said do not config network
[18:44] <ogra> then the ltsp instaler ust at least have notified you that it couldnt do the standard setup and have told you to configure dhcpd.conf
[18:45] <komputes> nope, just rebooted into hardy.
[18:45] <ogra> it checks if there are interfaces and if there is a spare one
[18:45] <ogra> hmm
[18:45] <ogra> no note at all ?
[18:45] <komputes> None...well anyhow, i'm up and running now and I think the instructions should be tested/updated as necessary to make it easy for the end user
[18:45] <ogra> can you file a bug then ? it should at least have showed one note with instructions
[18:46] <ogra> (even though i must admit that i never tested installs on non networked servers, i wouldnt expect anyone to install an ltsp server that way)
[18:46] <komputes> ogra: on my Todo: LP bug for warning user to configure LTSP networking and 2) Test solution again and update wiki
[18:46] <ogra> please add a new page
[18:46] <ogra> the instructions work for 90% of the users
[18:46] <komputes> as if there weren't enough ltsp page already
[18:47] <komputes> ok I won't touch te wiki
[18:47] <komputes> i'll just test it again
[18:47] <ogra> well, i want that page to stay as small as possible with the common defaults and no confusing extra stuff
[18:47] <komputes> k
[18:47] <ogra> add stuff in the comments or add a new page with a descriptive name to the UbuntuLTSP directory there
[18:48] <ogra> its really a quite special case to not use network at all on an ltsp server
[18:48] <ogra> (choosing no network at all will disable everything network related in the installer)
[18:49] <komputes> i thought chosing not to config the network at the installation point would just make the interface automatic, but i see what i did wrong...
[18:49] <komputes> ogra thanks again
[18:50] <ogra> welcome :)
[18:50]  * ogra goes on packing
[19:37] <LaserJock> did I miss the meeting?
[19:41] <stgraber> LaserJock: nope, should be later in the evening, it's a late one
[19:41] <stgraber> LaserJock: but at least ogra and I are packing stuff for Prague so probably a bit busy :)
[19:42] <LaserJock> ah, right
[19:42] <LaserJock> ogra: is there going to be a meeting today or are you going to cancel due to UDS?
[19:44] <ogra> well, i'll follow with one eye
[19:44] <ogra> and right has a phonecall within the meeting hour so might be late/distracted
[19:46] <LaserJock> RichEd: are you going to have something for the meeting?
[19:46] <RichEd> LaserJock: not much from my side ... was prepared to chat about UDS to see what people wanted brought in from community
[19:46] <LaserJock> k, I just wondered
[19:46] <RichEd> just prepping for a phone interview now ... Linux Insider
[19:46] <ogra> nice !
[19:47] <ogra> tell them windows is crap :)
[19:47] <LaserJock> I'll stay for the meeting then, even if it's a short one :-)
[19:47] <ogra> (but they might know already)
[19:47] <RichEd> interview spec:
[19:47] <RichEd> Open source software is particularly suited to certain computing applicationsand in this feature I'm focusing on one of them -- thin-client computing.
[19:47] <RichEd>
[19:47] <RichEd>                 And a few questions:
[19:47] <RichEd>                 Why did they choose such a system?
[19:47] <RichEd>                       * Why is Linux the right operating system for a centralized structure?
[19:47] <RichEd>                       * What, most importantly, are the energy- and cost-savings benefits of setting things up this way?
[19:48] <ogra> shweet !!
[19:48] <RichEd> = so a bit about LTSP started as s/w ... edubuntu etc.
[19:48] <RichEd> = then thin client -> h/w
[19:48] <RichEd> -> reference macedonia
[19:49] <RichEd> -> analagy: back to the mainframe green screen idea ... one "machine" shared
[19:50] <RichEd> and how low maintenance, single image wadda wadda
[19:50] <RichEd> then how true thin client (diskless etc.) can drop power for a large group of machines
[19:50] <stgraber> hehe, looks like the kind of LTSP presentation I do (and the one I'm preparing) :)
[19:50] <RichEd> and that there are even battery solutions with mechinal charging running schools
[19:50] <RichEd> ? seem reasonable thread ?
[19:51] <RichEd> right ... coffee ... and call up fact pages ...
[19:51]  * RichEd will see you lated
[19:51] <RichEd> *later
[19:51] <stgraber> ogra, RichEd: btw, I'm looking for some information about mass deployment of Ubuntu and Ubuntu+LTSP in schools for a talk I'll do next week, do you have something for me ? :)
[19:51] <ogra> phew
[19:51] <RichEd> mrm ... i can send macedonia ... but that is n-computing h/w splittiters ... but running ubuntu
[19:52] <RichEd> LTSP is more smaller scale ... low key ... but numbers add up
[19:52] <RichEd> some info from a David Trask email may help ... remind me later
[19:52] <RichEd> gotta go !
[21:03] <LaserJock> ogra: meeting time?
[21:04]  * ogra wakes up
[21:04] <ogra> yeah, why not :)
[21:04] <LaserJock> more productive than -bugs at the moment :/
[21:04] <ogra> **************** Edubuntu Meeting *now* in #ubuntu-meeting **********************
[21:04] <ogra> heh
[21:19] <juliux> ogra, something total different, are you chaning euros to czk in germany or in prague?
[21:19] <ogra> i pay eith credit card where possible and pul czk from an ATM
[21:19] <ogra> *with
[21:20] <ogra> but then i never check or care .... no idea if thats better or worse
[21:20] <stgraber> same for me, easiest
[21:27] <ogra> hmm, doesnt look like we have any RichEd in the meeting
[21:29] <RichEd> hi ... just taking a quick break from the hour call ...
[21:29] <RichEd> am here now :)
[21:30] <ogra> sadly Laser is gone, he asked about edu related (non tech ) specs
[21:30] <ogra> i.e. app selection and the like
[21:31] <RichEd> can he start some wiki pages ?
[21:31] <ogra> well, he only asked if womething was on the radar
[21:31] <ogra> *something
[21:31] <ogra> i thought you has some specs from chris we talked about earlier
[21:31] <ogra> *had
[21:31] <RichEd> then I'll hold discussion tracks (don't need to be in the scheduler) with the fringe education people
[21:32] <RichEd> (like educonlinux etc. to get a teacher viewpoint)
[21:32] <RichEd> from chris ?
[21:32] <ogra> kenyon
[21:32] <RichEd> 2 main ones I need to cover:
[21:32] <ogra> you said there was stuff in the queue he requested
[21:32] <RichEd> * implications of a name shift to ubuntu education
[21:32] <ogra> iirc one was app related
[21:33] <ogra> we have 400M spare space we can fill
[21:33] <RichEd> -> irc, documentation, software package naming, download sites, web site, wiki site etc.
[21:43] <RichEd> damn ... hit ADSL cap ... just ordered a new block of b/w
[21:43] <RichEd> my last comments were:
 -> irc, documentation, software package naming, download sites, web site, wiki site etc.
 * how to get more direct input from teachers for guidance to direction
 ^ app selection / nomination should fit in there
 and if we have the right people (guadalinex ?) ... tools / functionality needed for large deployments
 --- that's my radar ---
 as well as cmpc ...
 and are we doing any more for content server / moodle ? adding wiki to the installation options ?
[21:43] <RichEd> --
[21:43] <RichEd> what did i miss ?
[21:44] <ogra> well, we have the moodle debian maintainer there and moquist
[21:44] <ogra> who might probably take over the debian package
[21:45] <ogra> (whch would be awesome to avoid differences)
[21:45] <RichEd> okay ... anestis and one or two others will be there for 3 days and keen to chat to moquist and you and moodle debian guy if relevent
[21:46] <ogra> do you know which days ?
[21:46] <ogra> (and which others )
[21:47] <RichEd> i'll have a more general session with them, and then we can plan the tech sides as a more formal BOF with input from the informal session
[21:47] <RichEd> i suggested mon-wed for them
[21:47] <ogra> ok
[21:47] <ogra> just makes sense to not have overlap with intel
[21:48] <ogra> both can be quite time demanding i imagine
[21:48] <ogra> will be a funny UDS for me .... first time since 3 years that my focus is actually on more tech stuff than edu
[21:49] <RichEd> i'll do a lot of the intel stuff in advance of needing you so that you can get your main specs going
[21:49] <RichEd> as per the chat this morning ... if we can get them to dovetail instead of pulling at 45degrees it will make life easier for all
[21:50] <ogra> yeah
[21:50] <ogra> well i found the idea to contribute to italc very nice :)
[21:50] <ogra> tehy start to get the concept ;)
[21:50] <ogra> *they
[21:53] <ogra> we need to build on that for other stuff
[21:58]  * RichEd mutters some more
[21:59] <RichEd> must be a sign that it's time to head for away from PC time ... what else do we need to go though tonight ?
[22:00] <ogra> nothing really
[22:00] <ogra> i'm still not done with packing and only had 4h sleep will be a fun day :/
[22:06] <RichEd> well i'm going to head off as well ... chat to you tomorrow before you run off to the airport
[22:07]  * ogra UGHs
[22:07] <ogra> Laser just resigned from edubuntu bugsquad
[22:07] <ogra> and stepped back from his dev duties in MOTU
[22:07] <bimberi> He has a dissertation to finish
[22:07] <ogra> I cherish the time I've had to work with you all and count many of you as
[22:07] <ogra> some of my very best friends. Good luck with Intrepid.
[22:07] <ogra> :(
[22:08] <bimberi> yes :(
[22:09] <RichEd> miff :( ... grown up life calls everyone I suppose
[22:09] <ogra> i uess i need to take ove his merges then
[22:11] <ogra> ah, not that much
[23:14] <xiagox> so edubuntu doesn't have all support for spanish
[23:14] <xiagox> can I install it from ubuntu then?
[23:15] <ogra> its he same :)
[23:15] <ogra> *the
[23:15] <ogra> (meaning: yes, you can
[23:15] <ogra> )
[23:16] <xiagox> so edubuntu -is- missing that support right?
[23:16] <ogra> wht are you refering to exactly ?
[23:16] <ogra> edubuntu is sn addon ot ubuntu with hardy
[23:16] <ogra> so it deends how you installed the ubuntu you base on
[23:16] <xiagox> you need to install language-es post install
[23:17] <ogra> *depends
[23:17] <xiagox> so can i do that from a ubuntu cd instead of the internet?
[23:17] <ogra> with hardy you have to
[23:17] <ogra> there is no edubuntu install CD anymore
[23:17] <xiagox> really?!
[23:17] <ogra> only the add-on CD that can be used to install edubuntu-desktop on top of an existing ubuntu
[23:18] <ogra> (which is how it always worked just a bit more hidden from the user)
[23:18] <xiagox> ah i see
[23:19] <xiagox> so i already have ubuntu, so all i need is the addon and it's magically edubuntu?
[23:19] <ogra> right
[23:19] <xiagox> that's great thanks alot :)
[23:19] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyClassroomServer#head-7d164dd6ce5d6e99bc8403e65eb2286fbd87f749
[23:19] <ogra> bah