[12:00] <thoreauputic> tigmore: which link?
[12:00] <hypa7ia> camden: it's TEH ELEET GOODNESS
[12:00] <hypa7ia> camden: also, you get to bugtest
[12:00] <mirak> hi
[12:00] <hypa7ia> and there's composite, of course
[12:00] <camden> hypa7ia: hmmm....
[12:00] <Keybuk> eclipse: aptitude upgrade x-window-system-core
[12:00] <ogra> hypa7ia: doesnt work yet
[12:00] <jdub> Riddell: ahr.
[12:00] <camden> composite?
[12:00] <sladen> Kirsch: can you  grep name /proc/cpuinfo  ?
[12:00] <hypa7ia> no composite?  *cries*
[12:01] <jdub> Riddell: was hoping to find an industrial/human like theme for kde, and set that as the default for ubuntu
[12:01] <HrdwrBoB> hypa7ia: it works
[12:01] <HrdwrBoB> it's just.. slow.. and xcompmgr crashes
[12:01] <camden> but what is composite?
[12:01] <HrdwrBoB> camden: off screen compositing
[12:01] <Keybuk> camden: shiny transparent windows, etc.
[12:01] <ogra> hypa7ia: way to go for this....with composite enabled my desktop feels faster via vnc then on the screen itself ;)
[12:01] <HrdwrBoB> allows shadows, transparency and all sorts of things
[12:02] <camden> ohh... but it sound like it's not quite ready for a production env.
[12:02] <sladen> hypa7ia: you can enable Composite in the xorg.conf, but it has issues
[12:02] <Kirsch> sladen: cat /proc/cpu | grep name --> model name       : Mobile Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 - M CPU 2.20GHz
[12:02] <eclipse> keybuk, it needs to download like 242MB to install everything
[12:02] <eclipse> that's too much
[12:02] <HrdwrBoB> camden: this is why it's in hoary
[12:02] <hypa7ia> cool, sladen.
[12:02] <Riddell> jdub: is that the theme used by GTK in ubuntu?
[12:02] <camden> hrdwrbob: that makes a hell of a lot of sense. :)
[12:02] <tigmore> this one i need to find a ppc im program for ubuntu that will alow voice conversation to my visually impaired friend thought someone here might have a sugestion thoreauputic but i never got an answer until you
[12:02] <keknehv> how do I remove files after I copy them?
[12:02] <ogra> hypa7ia: no gksudo ..... so no graphical sysmanagement with composite right now
[12:03] <HrdwrBoB> tigmore: gnome meeting
[12:03] <socomm> tigmore: festival
[12:03] <hypa7ia> gotcha ogra
[12:03] <Keybuk> eclipse: I'm guessing you're on warty, and want to just cherry-pick xorg from hoary?  or are on hoary and just trying to reduce your download?
[12:03] <neighborlee> is anyone else seeing problems changing download directory ( from dialog not menu ) in firefox 1.0 ?
[12:03] <tigmore> gnome meeting does it allow crossover to yahoo im
[12:03] <eclipse> i just want to cherry-pick xorg from hoary
[12:04] <thoreauputic> tigmore: I don't know an answer
[12:04] <Keybuk> eclipse: basically that figure is "right" for picking x-window-system-core and all of its dependencies from hoary
[12:04] <Keybuk> but that's things like the libc and everything else :)
[12:04] <keknehv> how do I CUT files instead of COPY them?
[12:04] <epod> can you upgrade firefox that comes with warty to 1.0 yet?
[12:04] <Gwildor> eclipse, change to hoary, grab xorg, then switch back to warty, your source.list that is
[12:04] <ogra> keknehv: rightclick
[12:04] <sladen> Kirsch: what modules do you have loaded for it?  -acpi, or speedstep-centrino ?
[12:04] <jdub> Riddell: industrial is the gtk+ engine, human is the 'metatheme' in use and gtkrc mods to industrial
[12:04] <eclipse> ok, so it won't upgrade my gnome 2.8 to 2.9.1?
[12:05] <ogra> keknehv: or middleclick and move
[12:05] <Gwildor> eclipse, no idea :)
[12:05] <Keybuk> eclipse: probably will :)
[12:05] <eclipse> Gwildor, i tried that but it didn't work
[12:05] <tigmore> thank you all that answered i will find the links offered and see give me a few more days with warty and i should be able to return the favor on something else
[12:05] <sladen> Riddell: is there a hack to qt to make it use the GTK theme engine, so that KDE stuff will look the same?
[12:05] <Gwildor> eclipse, idk then
[12:05] <Ruffian|Q|> Why upgrade to hoary when its not even released :-p
[12:06] <socomm> tigmore: no gnome-meeting doesn't work with yahoo, or MSN
[12:06] <eclipse> i guess keybuk is right
[12:06] <Lowry> hi all
[12:06] <eclipse> well it's downloading tons of shit...i hope everything will be fine after the installation
[12:06] <tigmore> l8ter all thanks
[12:06] <Rene_S> Ruffian|Q|, Because it offers a great oppurtunity to learn linux and troubleshooting skills at the same time
[12:06] <Riddell> sladen: nice idea but you have it the wrong way around http://www.freedesktop.org/Software/gtk-qt
[12:07] <eclipse> i hope it won't ruin my linux box
[12:07] <ogra> Riddell: bah
[12:07] <Keybuk> eclipse: if you're worried about that ... you shouldn't touch *anything* from a development release
[12:07] <keknehv> I'm trying to move stuff on a usb disk to a different directory (it's fat16), but gnome thinks my directories are files...
[12:07] <Towny> is there someplace to view on the web what is available through the "universal" repository on ubuntu
[12:07] <keknehv> And once I right click on something, it dissapears!
[12:09] <sabdfl> Towny: we'll have a web based archive viewer up in a few weeks
[12:09] <sladen> Riddell: how big a project do you think the opposite would be (qt-gtk) and do you think it'd be a project worth doing for Ubuntu
[12:09] <thoreauputic> keknehv: on commandline you could use the mv command to move stuff
[12:09] <sabdfl> night all
[12:09] <Towny> sabdfl, is it just a snapshot of the debian unstable repository?
[12:09] <ogra> night sabdfl....
[12:09] <sabdfl> Towny: no, there are a few extra packages in there
[12:09] <sladen> Riddell: eg, applications like  k3b  for which I don't know a GTK version appear to fit in fairly well if people installed them
[12:10] <sabdfl> and we are figuring out how to allow more uploads to univers and multiverse
[12:10] <ogra> Towny: you can look in here: http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/dists/warty/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz
[12:10] <eclipse> is there a hoary.iso file that i can download?
[12:10] <Matt|> eclipse, nope
[12:10] <Rene_S> I personally dont care if K3B is pretty, it needs to work and thats it
[12:10] <Keybuk> sladen: it still wouldn't be HIGgy though :(
[12:10] <sabdfl> eclipse: coming tomorrow, i think
[12:10] <ogra> Towny: for the contents
[12:10] <Matt|> oh really
[12:10] <Matt|> kewl
[12:10] <eclipse> lol...serious?
[12:10] <Riddell> sladen: well it takes that rare thing of someone who knows the internals to both qt and gtk
[12:10] <sabdfl> eclipse: try cdimage.ubuntulinux.org
[12:10] <sladen> Keybuk: well, this is the general downside of KDE stuff ;-)
[12:10] <sabdfl> you're looking for "array cd 1"
[12:10] <eclipse> ok, thnx sabfl
[12:10] <sabdfl> array is the new sounder
[12:11] <eclipse> ok, thnx sabdfl
[12:11] <Matt|> yep it's there
[12:11] <Matt|> good one
[12:11] <Riddell> sladen: but otherwise it can't be that hard, you just map the relevant gtk calls to qt calls, don't need to play around with eventloops or anything
[12:11] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/releases/hoary/array-1/
[12:11] <sabdfl> erm... it's brand new. thank kamion, and backup :-)
[12:11] <Matt|> eclipse, it isn't risky to update from warty tho
[12:11] <sabdfl> Matt|: hoary could break in glorious ways between now and the freeze though
[12:11] <ogra> Kanion annonced it very nice ;)
[12:11] <Matt|> sabdfl, np
[12:12] <ogra> Kamion
[12:12] <Matt|> sabdfl, what ways do you have in mind?
[12:12] <eclipse> sabdfl, they do have a hoary.iso file
[12:12] <Riddell> Keybuk: well you can flip the relevent switch in kde libs to have the OK and Cancel buttons the wrong way around if you want to make it like gnome
[12:12] <sabdfl> hmm... x.org is in already, so that one's past
[12:12] <Keybuk> Riddell: that's not just what the HIG says though
[12:12] <sabdfl> we have a few major changes going in
[12:13] <Matt|> sabdfl, where is firefox 1?
[12:13] <sabdfl> check the wiki for details... HoaryHedgehog i think
[12:13] <Keybuk> KDE apps always stick out like a sore thumb on GNOME, and vice-versa
[12:13] <eclipse> i'm gonna download that... thx sabdfl
[12:13] <sabdfl> cheers
[12:13] <Keybuk> personally I prefer it if they *do* look jarringly different, then you don't expect them to behave the same way
[12:13] <bigt> whats the command to restart networking and samba i thought it was sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart
[12:13] <Towny> thanks
[12:13] <Matt|> sabdfl, you seem to be a developer so I wanted to ask you something. if I'm having random screenblanks with xorg, should i file a bug? prob is that I have no idea when it is provoked!! :p
[12:13] <jdub> Riddell: 'flipping' the "ok" and "cancel" buttons won't make it anything like gnome :)
[12:14] <eclipse> ubuntu 5.04 is hoary
[12:14] <Matt|> eclipse, yes
[12:14] <keknehv> How do I add disks to the disk section?
[12:14] <subterrific> there is a gtk theme that uses the colors and such from your current Qt theme, it makes gtk apps look pretty decent under KDE
[12:14] <sabdfl> s/is/will be/
[12:14] <HrdwrBoB> the problem is not making K3b look like gnome
[12:14] <subterrific> its a freedesktop.org thing
[12:14] <HrdwrBoB> the problem is making a gnome CD writing application which doesn't suck.
[12:14] <Matt|> *laughs*
[12:14] <ogra> the problem is to get rid of k2b
[12:14] <Riddell> subterrific: we know, http://www.freedesktop.org/Software/gtk-qt is already mentioned
[12:14] <sabdfl> Matt|: do the screenblanks go away when you press a key?
[12:15] <Matt|> sabdfl, *laughs*
[12:15] <mirak> what exactly is setting something suid ?
[12:15] <jdub> HrdwrBoB: currently testing coaster, which may go straight to hoary.
[12:15] <Matt|> sabdfl, no
[12:15] <sabdfl> so its a lockup?
[12:15] <HrdwrBoB> jdub: excellent
[12:15] <ogra> HrdwrBoB: so go on, help: http://www.grawert.net/software/mrburns/
[12:15] <Matt|> sabdfl, they last 1-2 seconds and go back to screen fine
[12:15] <epod> mirak: chmod +s, but that doesn't work properly in 2.6.8
[12:15] <sabdfl> oh, so it freezes for a while, then comes back>
[12:15] <sabdfl> ?
[12:15] <Keybuk> mirak: suid = setuid ... running the binary makes you "become" the user that owns it
[12:15] <Matt|> sabdfl, daniels mentioned when he announced xorg that there would be some random screen blanks
[12:15] <ogra> jdub: is audio working in coaster ?
[12:15] <hypa7ia> the big burning things that are missing are encoded music > cd and video > cd/dvd, right?
[12:15] <Matt|> sabdfl, yeah the screen just seems to go away
[12:15] <sabdfl> then it's a known issue
[12:16] <sabdfl> i haven't seen it
[12:16] <epod> hypa7ia: yep
[12:16] <sabdfl> but im still running warty
[12:16] <Matt|> sabdfl, yeah so i should leave it? dunno if he would appreciate bug reports
[12:16] <Keybuk> sabdfl: coward ;)
[12:16] <jdub> ogra: don't think so
[12:16] <sabdfl> anyhow, time to crash, night all, night jdub
[12:16] <Matt|> nite
[12:16] <jdub> night sabdfl
[12:16] <sabdfl> Keybuk: hoary on the desktop :-)
[12:16] <Matt|> jdub, what do you think? i should file bugs under xorg for screen blanks or just leave it?
[12:16] <hypa7ia> i guess i'm lucky, haven't had to do either yet
[12:16] <jdub> sabdfl: good interview in mail&guardian, btw
[12:16] <ogra> jdub: do you know a timeframe ? or will the slow development just go on...
[12:17] <Matt|> jdub, mail/guardian??? link pls
[12:17] <sabdfl> jdub: missed that one, url?
[12:17] <mirak> Keybuk: so if an application is suid , you are considered as root using it or is there something else ?
[12:17] <jdub> http://www.mg.co.za/Content/l3.asp?cg=Insight-TenQuestions&ao=125244
[12:17] <subterrific> f i'm not mistaken audio is almost working in coaster, i think i've seen the developer in the gstreamer irc channel getting people to test
[12:17] <Keybuk> mirak: pretty much, yes ... assuming is setuid root
[12:17] <jdub> ogra: well, for now it works with nautilus-cd-burner. that's a start.
[12:17] <ogra> jdub: yay, finally....
[12:18] <ogra> jdub: thats totally enough....
[12:18] <mirak> Keybuk: so I want to use shfsmount as a user, so I setted it as suid whith dpkg-reconfigure, that's ok ?
[12:18] <Keybuk> common setuid binaries you will find on your system include "su", "sudo", etc.
[12:18] <jdub> not that it's working on my test system yet, but i think that is a more general problem with my cd burner atm :)
[12:18] <ogra> *g*
[12:18] <Keybuk> mirak: it's ok, provided that binary doesn't have any security holes, yes
[12:19] <Keybuk> generally one keeps their number to a minimum and plays it safe with defaulting them to not-setuid
[12:19] <ogra> jdub: i'm gonna test it.....
[12:19] <tseng> jdub: blame bryan anyway, its more fun
[12:19] <Keybuk> also not all binaries work anyway, it doesn't *actually* run them as root, it makes their "effective" user root -- the binary needs to do something else to properly "become" root
[12:19] <jdub> Keybuk: dude, what was the ATAPI incantation for cdrecord?
[12:20] <Keybuk> the general side-effect of that is if the binary runs anything else, what it runs *doesn't* run as root
[12:20] <jdub> tseng: don't want to make him cry
[12:20] <Keybuk> jdub: how the hell should I know?  I don't even own a CD *player* :p
[12:20] <epod> funky article.  That Mark person is lucky if he gets to go into space.
[12:20] <Matt|> *grins*
[12:20] <Matt|> lucky...
[12:20] <epod> don't own a cd player? ehhh?
[12:20] <Mithrandir> jdub: dev=ATAPI:0:1:0 or something, I think.
[12:20] <jdub> epod: he's been. :-)
[12:21] <jdub> Mithrandir: mm, tried dev=ATAPI, but get:
[12:21] <epod> jdub: really? Ok, now I'm envious.  Ah well.  I'm just a ground-dwelling person ;) No spaceflight for me
[12:21] <thoreauputic> epod: with a name like Shuttleworth, hey....
[12:21] <jdub> (well, lots of spew, but two informative bits)
[12:21] <jdub> Warning: Using ATA Packet interface.
[12:21] <epod> good point thoreauputic
[12:21] <jdub> cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '0:1:0'. Cannot open SCSI driver.
[12:21] <jdub> bong!
[12:21] <Mithrandir> jdub: try cdrecord dev=ATAPI -scanbus?
[12:21] <jdub> Mithrandir: that's what i'm doing ;)
[12:22] <Matt|> epod, you need to make some serious money, then you can go to space
[12:22] <ogra> jdub: just dev=/dev/hdX
[12:22] <Matt|> epod, soon they will be doing commercial trips :)
[12:22] <jdub> ogra: aha!
[12:22] <ogra> ;)
[12:22] <jdub> ogra: aaaaaha!
[12:22] <jdub> that works :)
[12:22] <eclipse> by the way, did u guys notice that Flash on warty is not smooth...for example try to play this flash game and u know what i mean http://www.totebo.com/monkeylander/lander.html
[12:22] <epod> Matt|: yeah, it's the whole 'making serious money' bit that is the hang up, but I'm working on it. ;)
[12:23] <Matt|> eclipse, flash is not smooth in linux
[12:23] <Matt|> eclipse, it's worse if you go to hoary :[
[12:23] <eclipse> is hoary the same as warty when using flash?
[12:23] <Mithrandir> jdub: it's supposed to work that way, but I can't check, I don't have any IDE burners. :)
[12:23] <epod> flash is nice and smooth for me
[12:23] <eclipse> lol...damn
[12:23] <Matt|> epod, i don't believe you :p
[12:24] <eclipse> epod, try this link http://www.totebo.com/monkeylander/lander.html
[12:24] <epod> Matt|: no, really, I haven't noticed any issues, lol
[12:24] <epod> eclipse: I'm in XP at the moment, so it would be moot.
[12:24] <epod> Matt|: all I do is watch Foamy and Strongbad though.
[12:24] <eclipse> ok
[12:24] <epod> flash-wise
[12:24] <HrdwrBoB> oh look.. the bank is laughing at me
[12:24] <eclipse> epod, try that when ur on linux
[12:24] <Matt|> HrdwrBoB, laughing in delight or in despair?
[12:25] <epod> or mockery?
[12:25] <HrdwrBoB> mocking mostly :)
[12:25] <Matt|> is the bank manager rubbing his hands or his head?
[12:25] <eclipse> i have win server 2k3 so i know it's smooth on there
[12:25] <Matt|> eclipse, yeah the flash plugin is rubbish in linux, even since v 7
[12:25] <Rene_S> Ok I have a technical problem, I embedded Ubuntu into my Microwave and now I cant reboot it any ideas ?
[12:25] <epod> eclipse: did you install flashplayer-mozilla ?
[12:25] <Matt|> *laughs*
[12:25] <eclipse> is there a patch for that?
[12:25] <jdub> cdrecord: Drive does not support TAO recording.
[12:25] <jdub> ^ wtf!
[12:26] <HrdwrBoB> ouch
[12:26] <epod> Rene_S: Pop your XP cd in that badboy and put it on high for 30 seconds
[12:26] <eclipse> no i got it from macromedia
[12:26] <hypa7ia> i should try putting it on my old airport router
[12:26] <Matt|> eclipse, it's the same thing
[12:26] <hypa7ia> it's got a 486 in it :-p
[12:26] <eclipse> i know
[12:26] <Rene_S> Finally i got a laugh
[12:26] <eclipse> so there is no patch for that?
[12:26] <epod> for some odd reason mplayer *only* works with vo=gl2 on my ATI card.
[12:26] <epod> stupid ati.
[12:26] <Matt|> eclipse, no afaik nothing
[12:26] <ogra> jdub: thats weird
[12:26] <HrdwrBoB> eclipse: flash has ALWAYS been slow on linux
[12:27] <eclipse> is that right?
[12:27] <HrdwrBoB> jdub: try forcing the device
[12:27] <Matt|> HrdwrBoB, on my machine it is ridiculously fast, but real jerky
[12:27] <Matt|> (flash)
[12:27] <epod> Matt|: what is your system, processor wise?
[12:27] <eclipse> yes that's what i mean...jerky
[12:28] <eclipse> the jerkiness is driving me crazy
[12:28] <HrdwrBoB> cdrecord driver=help
[12:28] <Matt|> epod, actually
[12:28] <Matt|> ( Computer Stats ) [ CPU Model: Mobile Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.00GHz Speed: 1993.059 MHz Cache: 256 KB ]  | RAM Usage: 71/191M [||||||||||]  | [ HD Model: TOSHIBA MK2023GAS Size: 17G with 10G Free ]  | Number of process: 66
[12:28] <cardador> eclipse: by jerky you mean turning black as you scroll the page?
[12:28] <Matt|> cardador, *grins*
[12:28] <jdub> Device seems to be: Generic CD-ROM.
[12:28] <jdub> cdrecord: Warning: controller returns wrong size for CD capabilities page.
[12:28] <jdub> cdrecord: Sorry, no CD/DVD-Recorder or unsupported CD/DVD-Recorder found on this target.
[12:28] <Matt|> cardador, he is on warty
[12:28] <jdub> ^ bong!
[12:28] <cardador> Matt|: ok
[12:29] <eclipse> well...r u using linux right now, cardador?
[12:29] <Matt|> cardador, that bug STILL has not been assigned grrrrrrrr
[12:29] <HrdwrBoB> jdub: yeah try using device=mmc_cdr
[12:29] <cardador> eclipse: always
[12:29] <epod> Matt|: hm, okay :)
[12:29] <HrdwrBoB> I had that with a DVD burner I bought
[12:29] <jdub> HrdwrBoB: yeah? ick.
[12:29] <eclipse> ok go to this link and u tell me http://www.totebo.com/monkeylander/lander.html
[12:29] <HrdwrBoB> though it would work for CDs
[12:29] <jdub> cdrecord: Bad Option: device=mmc_cdr.
[12:29] <jdub> hrm
[12:29] <HrdwrBoB> er
[12:30] <HrdwrBoB> driver
[12:30] <HrdwrBoB> not device
[12:30] <jdub> oh
[12:30] <jdub> erm
[12:30] <jdub> cdrecord: WARNING: Trying to use other driver on known device.
[12:30] <HrdwrBoB> it's still 10:30am, need more coffee
[12:30] <jdub> cdrecord: Cannot attach driver for CD/DVD-Recorder.
[12:30] <HrdwrBoB> hm
[12:30] <jdub> with lots of capabilities errors
[12:30] <HrdwrBoB> sounds broken
[12:30] <HrdwrBoB> what is the drive?
[12:30] <cardador> eclipse: nice monkey game... works fine for me
[12:30] <jdub> Identifikation : 'COB-2K5216      '
[12:30] <jdub> Revision       : 'NKG3'
[12:30] <Matt|> cardador, flash videos don't play jerky on your setup?
[12:31] <Matt|> cardador, try http://www.yetisports.org --> online games --> game of your choice
[12:31] <cardador> Matt|: not the videos, only static figures
[12:31] <cardador> Matt|: let me try
[12:31] <Matt|> cardador, also if you have a windows box, that website has the BEST online games :)
[12:31] <eclipse> yeah but pay close attention that the game will stop for like 1 sec and continue
[12:31] <eclipse> it's a loop
[12:32] <Rene_S> Trying to Use Linux without at least 13 cups of Coffee voids the Warranty
[12:32] <Keybuk> Rene_S: THERE IS NO WARRANTY
[12:32] <Keybuk> :p
[12:32] <HrdwrBoB> Keybuk: either express or implied
[12:33] <cardador> Matt|: tried the first game, baseball with pinguin, and works ok
[12:33] <ogra> jdub: so how about -dao ?
[12:33] <Matt|> cardador, not jerky?
[12:33] <Rene_S> There was on mine
[12:33] <Matt|> you must have an awesome rig
[12:33] <cardador> Matt|: no
[12:33] <Rene_S> You all got robbed
[12:33] <eclipse> damn...linux is truely a multitask OS...cause apt-get is installing tons of files and i'm running other apps and there's no slow down
[12:33] <ogra> jdub: the spec says it knows tao, but it seems the driver doesnt with this drive
[12:33] <hypa7ia> eclipse: rocktacular, eh?
[12:33] <socomm> Most OS are multi taking OS :^/
[12:34] <eclipse> i know with windows server 2003 i need to stop other apps when a big install like this
[12:34] <cardador> Matt|: p4 2.4, 1024 ram, gforcerTi4200
[12:35] <Matt|> /kick cardador grrrrrrr
[12:35] <eclipse> so cardador, did u notice that?
[12:35] <Matt|> guys, how to use update-rc.d to change scripts at startup?
[12:35] <cardador> eclipse: no, i dont have slowdowns
[12:35] <epod> I am stuck with ati.. mobile radeon 9600 128mb
[12:35] <epod> cardador: me either
[12:36] <stuNNed> i have two copies of libsmb.so, one from libgnomevfs2-common other from gnome-vfs-extras how do i know which one to use?
[12:36] <cardador> Matt|: so did you install xcompmgr?
[12:36] <Matt|> cardador, nope
[12:36] <Matt|> guys, how to use update-rc.d to change scripts at startup?
[12:36] <eclipse> not slow down but the game would stop for like 1 sec and continue and then stop for 1 sec...it's a loop
[12:37] <Matt|> eclipse, its just jerky
[12:37] <Matt|> eclipse, his system is too l33t to notice i guess
[12:37] <eclipse> can't be
[12:37] <oddabe19> firefox 1.0 final in Hoary yet?
[12:37] <eclipse> r u running haory, cardador?
[12:37] <Matt|> oddabe19, nope
[12:37] <eclipse> hoary
[12:37] <oddabe19> damn... any idea when
[12:37] <marco> is there someone who can help me, please?
[12:37] <epod> I just want to update firefox in warty to 1.0, heh
[12:38] <oddabe19> cause it's in debian repos
[12:38] <eclipse> epod, just go to firefox.com and download the file
[12:38] <Matt|> oddabe19, guess it should be soon then
[12:38] <eclipse> it's easy
[12:38] <Matt|> marco, shoot
[12:38] <cardador> eclipse: yes horay,  dist-upgrade every day
[12:38] <epod> eclipse: I have this aversion to anything I can't apt-get install, because getting it back out is often a pain
[12:38] <eclipse> u don't have to depend on apt-get to install all ur software
[12:39] <Rene_S> I got a question :  Does anyone know some nice settings for xcompmgr, I cant make heads or tails out of the --help
[12:39] <cardador> Rene_S:  xcompmgr -cCfF -r7 -o.65 -l-10 -t-8 -D7 &
[12:39] <eclipse> to uninstall firefox, all u have to do is delete all firefox dirs and files
[12:40] <cardador> Rene_S: i dont use xcompmgr too much cause it freezes X often
[12:40] <ogra> Rene_S: its very slow
[12:40] <eclipse> cause it's not like windows where they store it in the registry
[12:40] <cardador> ogra: the problem for me is not the speed but the stability
[12:41] <cardador> ogra: make sure you turn on render accell and all that stuff
[12:41] <ogra> cardador: for me its both....on my matrox g400 its not usable in the current state :(
[12:41] <xuzo> cardador: how to turn on render accell?
[12:41] <seek187> Ahh those xcompmgr setting slow my machine wayyy down
[12:41] <Rene_S> render accell ?  crap i need to add that
[12:42] <cardador> xuzo: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf, on section "devices" add Option "RenderAccel" "True"
[12:42] <ogra> cardador: do gksudo things work for you with xcompmanager ?
[12:42] <ogra> cardador: i.e. synaptic....
[12:42] <cardador> ogra: when i run synaptic, X freezes
[12:43] <ogra> cardador: yes :(
[12:43] <cardador> ogra: maybe that is the problem
[12:43] <xuzo> cardador: any other tweaks for better performance of xcompmng?
[12:43] <ogra> cardador: synaptic or X ?
[12:43] <eclipse> ok i got x.org installed....yay
[12:43] <Simira> Mithrandir darling! ;)
[12:43] <Matt|> who knows how to use update-rc.d?
[12:43] <cardador> xuzo: make sure you add a section "Extensios" with Option "Composite" and Option "RENDER" "Enable"
[12:43] <Matt|> or is there an easier tool in ubuntu?
[12:44] <cardador> xuzo: "Extensions"
[12:44] <xuzo> cardador: I got it :)
[12:44] <ogra> Matt|: rm and ln :)
[12:44] <cardador> ogra: X
[12:44] <xuzo> xcompmng needs some type of accel (from fglrx or nvidia)?
[12:44] <Matt|> ogra, is there no better tool?
[12:44] <cardador> ogra: my X just locks up and i have to restart it or kill it
[12:44] <cardador> xuzo: i guess
[12:45] <ogra> Matt|: i think its the best, so i never use update-rc.d
[12:45] <Matt|> ogra, in hoary last week there was a lovely GUI "services-admin" or something, but it's gone again now
[12:45] <xuzo> no clues about when fglrx will work again with xorg ?
[12:45] <bigt> question: i'm trying to install a driver or my isa nic and it says use doscp I can't find doscp anywhere any ideas on this please and thanks
[12:45] <ogra> Matt|: it will come back i think.....
[12:45] <eclipse> by the way, does aptitude work the same as apt-get?
[12:45] <Matt|> ogra, was there something on the list about it?
[12:45] <Matt|> ogra, i hope it comes back
[12:46] <Matt|> ogra, i'm trying to help a warty user to add a script to start his adsl modem at boot. If I don't succeed, will you help im out with me?
[12:46] <ogra> Matt|: nope, but it belongs to the system tools, its just buggy .... i think they solve it till hoary gets stable
[12:46] <Matt|> k
[12:46] <cardador> Matt|: is it usb?
[12:47] <spacey`ki> Matt|, why not put a script in /etc/init.d and link to it from /etc/rcx.d/
[12:47] <Matt|> cardador, no idea
[12:47] <Matt|> spacey`ki, yeah that is what we're trying
[12:47] <spacey`ki> Matt|, just do it then:)
[12:47] <Matt|> spacey`ki, whether it will work or not is another matter
[12:47] <spacey`ki> you can test the script right
[12:47] <spacey`ki> if it works
[12:48] <spacey`ki> and you add symlinks it will work at boot
[12:48] <Matt|> spacey`ki, not necessarily
[12:48] <Matt|> spacey`ki, it might not work when called from another directory
[12:48] <redemption> if I have a bash variable that has a new line at the end, how could I remove that?
[12:48] <redemption> in a script?
[12:48] <spacey`ki> Matt|, just write it the same way as the other startup scripts
[12:48] <spacey`ki> they work
[12:49] <Matt|> spacey`ki, i'm not sure if he has written it by hand or not
[12:49] <spacey`ki> well you can always edit:)
[12:49] <Matt|> spacey`ki, for example I had a complicated script which i did not write, and the links in it were all relative (../../): it didn't work when copied to /etc/init.d, nor when linked from /etc/rc#.d
[12:49] <spacey`ki> and there is only one way to find out for sure ;)
[12:49] <Matt|> spacey`ki, yeah i believe he is trying
[12:50] <spacey`ki> Matt|, thats not a good script. but you can easily spot such things if you edit the file
[12:51] <seek187> does fglrx work with xorg in hoary?
[12:51] <Matt|> spacey`ki, heh. The script was written by the team that do the acx100 package on sourceforge. But i take your point. it was long and I was too lazy to edit
[12:51] <xuzo> re
[12:51] <spacey`ki> i dont blame you ;p
[12:52] <Matt|> spacey`ki, it is annoying because it works much better than the /etc/init.d/networking script
[12:52] <Matt|> spacey`ki, maybe i will take the time to edit it
[12:53] <ogra> Matt|: add persist to /etc/ppp/options and make sure /etc/init.d/ppp start is run on startup....that should be enough
[12:53] <tim1> good night everybody
[12:53] <spacey`ki> ah a wifi card:p
[12:53] <Matt|> ogra, for what?
[12:53] <ogra> Matt|: for your friend with the dsl modem
[12:54] <Matt|> ogra, i assume the ppp script didn't work for him
[12:54] <Matt|> not sure
[12:54] <Matt|> he sounds quite competent
[12:54] <ogra> Matt|: configure with pppoeconf
[12:54] <spacey`ki> what kind of dsl modem is t
[12:54] <Matt|> ogra, spacey`ki i do not know
[12:54] <Matt|> he just asked me to help him add a script
[12:55] <Matt|> it might not even be pppoe
[12:55] <spacey`ki> never heard of dsl modem using pppeo
[12:55] <spacey`ki> kind of crappy to use
[12:55] <ogra> Matt|: if its dsl its some kind of ppp....
[12:55] <Matt|> spacey`ki, most of em do
[12:55] <socomm> Most DSL providers use PPPoE.
[12:55] <epod> ogra: no, the DSL here is static IP
[12:55] <Matt|> socomm, yup
[12:56] <spacey`ki> dsl modems i show up as a lan connection for the pc
[12:56] <ogra> oh....i'm used to european standars :\
[12:56] <ogra> +d
[12:56] <Matt|> ogra, the best ones
[12:56] <ogra> Matt|: sometimes :)
[12:57] <Matt|> argh, a euro-sceptic!! /me lynches ogra
[12:57] <spacey`ki> and the dsl providers work mostly with PPPoA or RFC1483  here
[12:57] <Matt|> mine is PPPoA but most in the uk are E
[12:57] <ogra> still a ppp varinat....
[12:57] <ogra> ant
[12:57] <Matt|> pppoa really sucks
[12:57] <Matt|> took me 2 weeks to get my modem working with linux
[12:58] <Matt|> nearly as long as it took for a router to arrive
[12:58] <spacey`ki> Matt|, entirely depends on the modem i think?
[12:58] <Matt|> spacey`ki, yes mostly
[12:58] <Matt|> spacey`ki, but there is no pppoaconfig
[12:58] <spacey`ki> hmz
[12:58] <Matt|> spacey`ki, pppoa works out of the box with ubuntu?
[12:58] <spacey`ki> your talking about connection pc <> modem or modem<>dslprovider
[12:58] <Matt|> i haven't tried it
[12:59] <ogra> Matt|: try pppoeconf i think it manages all of them....
[12:59] <Matt|> spacey`ki, well both have to work for a connection
[12:59] <Matt|> ogra, i've put my modem in the bottom of a draw
[12:59] <spacey`ki> Matt|, yes but they are 2 different things
[12:59] <Matt|> spacey`ki, well in my case, both were difficult :0
[12:59] <Rene_S> Is there a way to make the channel list in xchat sort alphabetically ?
[12:59] <ogra> Matt|: secret modem ?
[12:59] <Matt|> Rene_S, should be default
[01:00] <Rene_S> It looks nasty
[01:00] <spacey`ki> most modems i know connect to provider with PPPoA or RFC1483 and connect to the pc with ethernet
[01:00] <Matt|> spacey`ki, yeah so in that case, the second option would be the difficult part
[01:00] <spacey`ki> why difficult/
[01:00] <spacey`ki> ethernet is simple
[01:00] <Matt|> spacey`ki, sorry misunderstood me
[01:01] <cardador> Matt|: if it connects by usb, you have to modprobe usbnet
 your talking about connection pc <> modem or modem<>dslprovider <-- THAT second part
[01:01] <Matt|> :0
[01:01] <spacey`ki> ah
[01:01] <Matt|> sorry!
[01:01] <spacey`ki> Matt|, ok;)
[01:01] <ogra> spacey: eth to modem is cool, my company does this too with its cable modems :)
[01:01] <Matt|> yeah that's much better
[01:01] <Matt|> usb modems are the worst thing ever
[01:01] <spacey`ki> np. but you don't have to configure that in linux i think. you configure that in the modem
[01:02] <spacey`ki> ogra, i work at helpdesk of a dutch dsl provider
[01:02] <ogra> spacey: there is a usb port too on the modem....the only issues we got are usb based.....
[01:02] <Matt|> spacey`ki, oh i din know that
[01:02] <spacey`ki> Matt|, at least that how it works in .nl or maybe we just misunderstand each other:)
[01:02] <ogra> sapce: i ran a installer helpdesk at a german cable provider *g*
[01:02] <Rene_S> hmm i think i need to find me a nicer irc client
[01:02] <Matt|> spacey`ki, with my usb modem I had to setup the modem-->isp in linux
[01:03] <Matt|> Rene_S, xchat is great
[01:03] <ogra> spacey: ish ....you probably know it.....
[01:03] <spacey`ki> Matt|, but that are just configure options for the modem right. not that you have to use PPP stuff from linux
[01:03] <Rene_S> Matt|, I thought so too just cant sort anything
[01:03] <spacey`ki> ogra, ish?
[01:03] <Matt|> spacey`ki, no you have to use PPP stuff from linux on mine
[01:03] <Matt|> Rene_S, settings --> preferences --> user list --> sort alphabeticaly
[01:03] <ogra> sapcey`: yep
[01:04] <spacey`ki> ogra, whats that?
[01:04] <Matt|> *laughs*
[01:04] <Matt|> ish means "sort of"
[01:04] <Matt|> i'm hungry-ish
[01:04] <gen> where does xmms keep the skins
[01:04] <ogra> spacey`ki: the cable company you look at if you turn east ;)
[01:04] <Matt|> gen, right click --> skin browser
[01:05] <Matt|> oh sorry
[01:05] <gen> matt:| im asking where to put a skin you get
[01:05] <redemption> anyone know how to remove a newline character from a bash variable?
[01:05] <spacey`ki> ogra, i have not a clue
[01:05] <Matt|> gen, .xmms/Skins
[01:05] <ogra> spacey`ki: i'm in germany 150km from maastricht...
[01:05] <Matt|> gen, ~/.xmms/Skins
[01:05] <gen> thanks
[01:05] <pitti> redemption: you can filter it through tr or sed
[01:05] <spacey`ki> ogra, whats there?
[01:05] <spacey`ki> oh you
[01:05] <spacey`ki> hehe
[01:05] <spacey`ki> but
[01:05] <ogra> spacey`ki: lol
[01:05] <spacey`ki> whats with the cable company :p
[01:06] <spacey`ki> where is that frankfurt?
[01:06] <Matt|> ogra, you can't call a cable company ish
[01:06] <ogra> spacey`ki: i work for them
[01:06] <erik> hey, doom3 seems unable to run in this amd64 ubuntu install with the nvidia-glx drivers installed .. anyone know how to fix that?
[01:06] <pitti> redemption: XNEW="`echo $X | tr -d \"\n\"`"
[01:06] <redemption> pitti: thanks.
[01:06] <ogra> Matt|: tell this to our PR group ;)
[01:06] <pitti> redemption: (untested)
[01:06] <erik> it claims my video card / driver combination isn't up to snuff
[01:06] <spacey`ki> i helpdesk for zonnet/versatel
[01:06] <Matt|> ogra, what does it mean in german?
[01:06] <ogra> spacey`ki: nope....kerpen....
[01:06] <spacey`ki> ogra, never heard of it:p
[01:07] <ogra> Matt|: nothing....not even a slang word
[01:07] <Matt|> abbreviation?
[01:07] <spacey`ki> ogra, frankfurt is not even close?:p
[01:07] <ogra> Matt|: no
[01:07] <ogra> spacey`ki: nope
[01:07] <Matt|> well tell em what it means in english :p
[01:07] <ogra> spacey`ki: masstricht is nearer.... or venlo
[01:07] <spacey`ki> hehe damn my geographical skills
[01:07] <Matt|> *grins*
[01:07] <Matt|> mine are bad too
[01:07] <spacey`ki> kolhn then
[01:08] <Matt|> i've heard of maastricht tho
[01:08] <Matt|> :0
[01:08] <Matt|> damn shift button
[01:08] <Matt|> ;)
[01:08] <ogra> Matt|: they had a american PR consulter.....
[01:08] <Matt|> ogra, ouch
[01:08] <spacey`ki> i live in groningen :P
[01:08] <ogra> Matt|: lol
[01:08] <spacey`ki> up north in .nl
[01:08] <redemption> Pitti: THANK YOU ever so much!  I'd been banging my head on a script I wrote for kde for hours befare I even realized thet enviroment variables set by gnome were newline delimited.
[01:09] <ogra> spacey`ki: i know groningen....never been there though
[01:09] <spacey`ki> ogra, its a nice place. i like it here
[01:09] <stuNNed> mang, wish firefox 1.0 would be released for warty :D
[01:09] <Matt|> stuNNed, not a chance
[01:09] <Matt|> :(
[01:09] <sladen> spacey`ki: was there about 12hours a fortnight ago;  went  london->Brussels->Leuvin->Leige->Masstricth->Utrecht->Groningen->Rotterdam->Antwerp->Gent->Brussels->London
[01:09] <stuNNed> Matt|, you're on warty as well?
[01:09] <ogra> stuNNed: nope.... wont....
[01:09] <Lowry> Reading http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3952
[01:09] <Matt|> sladen, nice trip
[01:09] <Matt|> stuNNed, no
[01:09] <spacey`ki> sladen, your on some euro trip or something
[01:09] <Lowry> Is ppc firewire hd supported?
[01:10] <stuNNed> ogra, dang, oh well
[01:10] <Matt|> stuNNed, its easy to install
[01:10] <Matt|> go to the website and download, read instructions, :)
[01:10] <sladen> Matt|: Eurostar London->Brussels, it only costs 15 EUR extra to get an undated, undestinated ticket to 'ANY DUTCH STATION' and back
[01:10] <stuNNed> Matt|, yes...so just remove firefox installed with warty and install from mozilla.org?
[01:10] <Matt|> sladen, i need to go to brussels
[01:10] <Matt|> stuNNed, yeah
[01:11] <Matt|> sladen, whereabouts in london do ya live?
[01:11] <sladen> Matt|: Seven Sister, between Finsbury Park and Tottenham
[01:11] <spacey`ki> maybe your neigbours
[01:11] <Matt|> *grins*
[01:11] <Matt|> not too bad
[01:11] <Matt|> i'm in docklands
[01:12] <TrasMontano> hello everybody
[01:12] <TrasMontano> i've a problem booting my nex kernel
[01:12] <TrasMontano> my new kernel
[01:13] <TrasMontano> do i have to make a initrd ??
[01:13] <Matt|> TrasMontano, yes
[01:13] <ogra> TrasMontano: why did you recompile ?
[01:13] <Matt|> *laughs*
[01:13] <TrasMontano> ok because on the wki howto they don't tell
[01:13] <TrasMontano> ogra: for supporting High memory
[01:13] <seek187> does apt-get keep every upgrade package?? I mean does it delete the older ones? my disk space is getting low
[01:13] <TrasMontano> 1 Go
[01:14] <Matt|> seek187, apt-get clean
[01:14] <seek187> ah ok
[01:14] <seek187> thx
[01:14] <epod> eh? I use linux-686-smp and it works with my 1gb tam
[01:14] <epod> *ram
[01:14] <ogra> TrasMontano: isnt in by default ?
[01:14] <TrasMontano> ogra: no :-(
[01:14] <TrasMontano> 906 Mo regonized
[01:14] <Matt|> TrasMontano, anyway, make your initrd
[01:14] <seek187> ah that's better
[01:15] <ogra> TrasMontano: x86 ?
[01:15] <TrasMontano> Matt|: ok, how can i do this? i used the howto in wiki
[01:15] <TrasMontano> ogra: yes
[01:15] <Matt|> TrasMontano, it doesn't tell you to make an initrd?
[01:15] <Matt|> TrasMontano, we need to add that
[01:15] <TrasMontano> i made the dpkg -i ***.deb
[01:15] <TrasMontano> Matt|: a second i give u the link
[01:16] <Matt|> "mkinitrd -o /boot/name_of_your_initrd 2.6.8_or_whatever"
[01:16] <TrasMontano> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelCompileHowto
[01:16] <Matt|> don't forget to add it to your grub configu
[01:16] <ogra> TrasMontano: you could use the smp kernel....should also work on uni processors
[01:16] <stuNNed> Matt|, ogra: fsck it, i'm installing firefox 1.0 :D
[01:17] <epod> TrasMontano: smp kernel has support for 1gb ram
[01:17] <TrasMontano> Matt|: i've to make mkinitrd in my /usr/src/linux?
[01:17] <Matt|> TrasMontano, oh, it says that the deb should install your initrd for ya. if it isn't there, then make it
[01:17] <Matt|> TrasMontano, nope
[01:17] <Matt|> in /boot
[01:17] <redemption> pitti: out of curiousity, XNEW="`echo $X | tr -d \"\n\"`", could I replace the ` with '? and if not, how is ` special and to what program is it special?
[01:17] <Matt|> just do that command
[01:18] <TrasMontano> ogra: epod: thx but problem is the same with initrd
[01:18] <ogra> TrasMontano: is it really not there ? have you looked after dpkg -i ?
[01:18] <TrasMontano> ogra: no
[01:18] <epod> TrasMontano: eh? apt-get install linux-686-smp
[01:18] <Matt|> interesting
[01:18] <bigt> question i have a driver for my nic what command do i use to install it? is it netconfig ? if so i can't get it to work anyone willing to help that would be great thanks
[01:18] <TrasMontano> ogra: only the old one
[01:18] <epod> TrasMontano: no need to muck around with anything
[01:18] <Matt|> ogra, i came across another person with this problem last week
[01:19] <Matt|> ogra, howto is obviously wrong
[01:19] <ogra> TrasMontano: it should be in the .deb, it should read /etc/kernel-img.conf
[01:19] <Lowry> later
[01:19] <ogra> TrasMontano: while building the deb
[01:19] <nonmon> i installed wine using apt-get now i cant find it
[01:19] <Matt|> ogra, see last line of howto
[01:20] <Matt|> god they should seriously tell people to create their kernels by hand
[01:20] <Matt|> instead of with debs
[01:20] <gen> stupid question, how do i take an ss
[01:20] <TrasMontano> Matt|: u made it by hand? think it's better?
[01:20] <TrasMontano> it look so simple with the deb
[01:21] <Matt|> TrasMontano, for you the best way is to do as epod says and get the package
[01:21] <Kal_Zakath> TrasMontano : of course it's better
[01:21] <Matt|> but if you HAVE to make one, it's better to do it by hand
[01:21] <nonmon> where does apt-get install stuff im new to ubuntu
[01:21] <Matt|> nonmon, what do you mean?
[01:21] <Kal_Zakath> I always compile my own kernels
[01:21] <gen> how do i take a screenshot
[01:21] <thoreauputic> nonmon: it installs where it's supposed to go :)
[01:21] <bigt> nonmad what did you install?
[01:21] <bigt> example xine
[01:21] <TrasMontano> Matt|: if a made one now it don't work with my .deb installed?
[01:22] <bigt> you would do find / |grep xine
[01:22] <Matt|> TrasMontano, what is wrong with the smb package?
[01:22] <bigt> thats how i do it i'ms ure there is a better way
[01:22] <Kal_Zakath> gen : computer - take a screenshot
[01:22] <ogra> Matt|: why.... its not upgradeable in a clean way to use non .deb kernels
[01:22] <nonmon> in suse, which i used to use, it put it in the applications.
[01:22] <gen> kal_zakath: not an option in hoary
[01:22] <thoreauputic> bigt: that's the slowest possible way
[01:22] <Kal_Zakath> or qomething
[01:22] <nonmon> with ubuntu you have to find what to put there and i cant find wine
[01:22] <bigt> whats the fastest way which <application>
[01:22] <bigt> ?
[01:22] <Matt|> ogra, if you're upgrading kernels there are new options so you need to recompile anyhow
[01:22] <bigt> like which xine?
[01:23] <ogra> Matt|: you should always use make-kpkg ....
[01:23] <Kal_Zakath> why do people use hoary if they aren't developpers ??????
[01:23] <thoreauputic> nonmon: type `which wine` or `whereis wine`
[01:23] <Matt|> Kal_Zakath, for testing it
[01:23] <bigt> ok so it is which :)
[01:23] <TrasMontano> ogra: the .deb way so?
[01:23] <Matt|> hey the screenshot command is gone from the hoary computer menu
[01:23] <Kal_Zakath> Matt|  yeah, at least power users
[01:23] <TrasMontano> and after mkinitrd
[01:23] <thoreauputic> nonmon: type <command> is even better
[01:23] <Rene_S> Because its a nice way to learn about troubleshooting linux
[01:23] <Matt|> and help test for the release
[01:23] <Kal_Zakath> for power users I can understand
[01:24] <Matt|> Kal_Zakath, it's nice to get involved and mebbe submit bugs
[01:24] <Kal_Zakath> but usual user should stay at wraty
[01:24] <Rene_S> I am far from a power user. as a matter of fact I only started in Linux in June
[01:24] <thoreauputic> nonmon: bigt,  e.g. type mozilla
[01:24] <thoreauputic> mozilla is /usr/bin/mozilla
[01:24] <Matt|> TrasMontano, make your initrd, add the correct line to /boot/grub/menu.lst and reboot
[01:24] <TrasMontano> Matt|: oki i try
[01:24] <thoreauputic> from the `type` command
[01:24] <ogra> TrasMontano: make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 --initrd kernel_imag
[01:25] <Kal_Zakath> Rene_S : well I can consider myself as a power user, but I use warty
[01:25] <ogra> TrasMontano: make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 --initrd kernel_image
[01:25] <Matt|> TrasMontano, be careful about getting the correct address in your grub config
[01:25] <Matt|> ogra, *winces*
[01:25] <epod> Okay, so can anyone provide any insight as to why only 1 app can access my soundcard at a time under Linux, but under windows if I want to run 4 audio players with 4 different mp3s at once I can?
[01:25] <bigt> thor: you good with installing drivers?
[01:25] <nonmon> sorry i found it with whereis
[01:25] <epod> and, how I fix that issue?
[01:25] <nonmon> thanx
[01:25] <Rene_S> Kal_Zakath, dont get me wrong there is nothing wrong with Warty that I couldn't use it, I am just a glutton for punishment
[01:25] <Matt|> :)
[01:26] <Kal_Zakath> Rene_S :D
[01:26] <ogra> ;)
[01:26] <xuzo> mmmm
[01:26] <xuzo> Matt|: not only icon
[01:26] <epod> I freebsd I'd create extra /dev/dsp devices...
[01:26] <epod> (in
[01:26] <bigt> and thanks thore for the tip
[01:26] <epod> there must be something like that in linux
[01:26] <Matt|> xuzo, hmm?
[01:26] <TrasMontano> ogra: ok good way but if a make the mkinitd after it'll don't work?
[01:26] <Matt|> TrasMontano, it's one or the other
[01:26] <xuzo> Matt|:  screenshot command on computer menu
[01:27] <Matt|> xuzo, it is gone from hoary
[01:27] <xuzo> icon and command gone away together
[01:27] <Rene_S> Kal_Zakath, I spent years doing Window's Beta Tests, I swear I never ran a finished version in my life
[01:27] <xuzo> yes, why?
[01:27] <ogra> TrasMontano: the initrd will be in the deb, so apt can care for it....
[01:27] <Matt|> xuzo, they tend to go together
[01:27] <xuzo> its a bug?
[01:27] <Kal_Zakath> TrasMontano : I only use initrd for bootsplash, it's isn't really needed
[01:27] <Matt|> xuzo, although i don't have icons on my menu
[01:27] <Matt|> xuzo, no they've removed it
[01:28] <Matt|> what screensaver prog is ubuntu using?
[01:28] <TrasMontano> Kal_Zakath: without initrd i've VFS unable to mount
[01:28] <Kal_Zakath> Matt| : xscreensaver, as usual
[01:28] <Matt|> *screenshot
[01:28] <ogra> Matt|: xscreensaver
[01:28] <Matt|> sorry
[01:28] <Matt|> ouch i suck
[01:28] <Matt|> *screenshot
[01:28] <TrasMontano> ok i made the initrd
[01:28] <ogra> Matt|: gnome-screenshot
[01:28] <TrasMontano> i try to reboot.....
[01:28] <Kal_Zakath> TrasMontano : diddn't had any pb..
[01:28] <Matt|> ogra, haven't got it
[01:28] <Matt|> ogra, it's been force removed ?!?
[01:29] <Kal_Zakath> TrasMontano : did you configured you kernel by yourself ?
[01:29] <ogra> Matt|: gnome-panel-screenshot sorry
[01:29] <Matt|> ogra, np i haven't got that either
[01:30] <ogra> Matt|: hoary, hehe
[01:30] <Matt|> ogra, weird huh?
[01:30] <jdub> Matt|: it doesn't exist on hoary atm.
[01:30] <Matt|> E: Couldn't find package gnome-panel-screenshot
[01:30] <jdub> it was moved into gnome-utils, which hasn't had a release
[01:30] <Matt|> jdub, np
[01:30] <jdub> it was in gnome-panel
[01:30] <Matt|> apt-get install scrot ;)
[01:30] <TrasMontano> Kal_Zakath: yes i configure by myself
[01:31] <Matt|> thanks jdub
[01:31] <ogra> jdub: did you mean n-c-b in hoary could create audio ??
[01:31] <TrasMontano> Kal_Zakath: maybe i forgot something
[01:31] <xuzo> jdub: that move is in gnome releases or in ubuntu packaging?
[01:31] <jdub> ogra: no
[01:31] <Kal_Zakath> TrasMontano : then something's wrong with your config
[01:31] <ogra> jdub: oh....
[01:31] <Matt|> jdub, can you advise me of whether to submit bugs under xorg for screen blanking? I know that it is a known issue but I was wondering that maybe they would appreciate bugs filed by hardware
[01:31] <jdub> the screenshot thing is in gnome
[01:31] <Kal_Zakath> TrasMontano : think so
[01:31] <jdub> Matt|: it's a bug, may as well file
[01:32] <jdub> don't think there are xorg components yet though
[01:32] <ogra> jdub: got two fine data Cds now ... one with mp3, one with ogg *g*
[01:32] <Matt|> jdub, ok will do, only i won't be able to give much info :)
[01:32] <TrasMontano> Kal_Zakath: i can show u but i think it was made serously, after a make oldconfig
[01:32] <Kal_Zakath> huh
[01:32] <Matt|> TrasMontano, we assure you that if you install the package linux-686-smb, your troubles will go away, and you won't need to build the kernel
[01:32] <TrasMontano> Kal_Zakath: only removing some drivers (video, network) and adding hi memory support
[01:33] <Kal_Zakath> make oldconfig is generally a good idea, but if you know what you're doing you can configure it buy yourself
[01:33] <ogra> TrasMontano: take the smp image
[01:33] <Kal_Zakath> TrasMontano : how much RAM do you have ?
[01:33] <TrasMontano> linux-686-smb i look to it
[01:33] <TrasMontano> ogra: it'll be the other way thx
[01:33] <Matt|> sorry smp
[01:33] <TrasMontano> Kal_Zakath: 1 Go
[01:33] <ryan> heh
[01:34] <ryan> the installation of ubuntu onto an ibm thinkpad 600 was less than painless
[01:34] <ryan> thanks developers!
[01:34] <Kal_Zakath> ryan : cool to hear it, 'll buy a tp 600 soon
[01:34] <TrasMontano> I REBOOT see u soon !
[01:34] <borgmeister> how does one get into ubuntu without a password or bootble media? its just a friend broke into my laptop at work today, and i want to know how he did it
[01:34] <TrasMontano> i try
[01:35] <ryan> the only issue i saw was 1. by default, x sets up to start with 24bpp
[01:35] <ryan> this made the lcd screen only use 800x600
[01:35] <Kal_Zakath> k
[01:35] <ryan> which was distorted, esp fonts
[01:35] <ryan> and slow as hell
[01:35] <ryan> so set it back to 16bpp
[01:35] <ogra> borgmeister: press escape on boot and enter the rescue mode
[01:35] <Kal_Zakath> not really an issue
[01:35] <ryan> and its 1024x768
[01:35] <ryan> and its much much quicker
[01:35] <ryan> yeah
[01:35] <ryan> and then the sound wasn't detected
[01:35] <Kal_Zakath> easily fixed
[01:35] <ryan> and alsa was a headache
[01:35] <ryan> but hey
[01:35] <ryan> the oss module worked fine
[01:35] <borgmeister> does that bypass the passwords?
[01:36] <gen> ryan, we arent on aol
[01:36] <Kal_Zakath> yeah
[01:36] <ryan> modprobe cs4232
[01:36] <ogra> borgmeister: you are root the....with no pw
[01:36] <borgmeister> i have a password
[01:36] <Kal_Zakath> it's signle user mode, init 1
[01:36] <Matt|> i've off
[01:36] <Matt|> bye dudes
[01:36] <ryan> gen: what
[01:36] <borgmeister> oh
[01:36] <borgmeister> heh
[01:36] <bigt> does ubuntu support 'custom' ?
[01:36] <borgmeister> cheers ogra
[01:37] <ogra> ;)
[01:37] <borgmeister> the litte....
[01:37] <borgmeister> guess whos getting a beating tommorow
[01:37] <GammaRay> borgmeister: you?
[01:37] <borgmeister> no thankfully
[01:38] <Kal_Zakath> lol
[01:38] <borgmeister> nvm
[01:38] <Kal_Zakath> give a slap to you friend from me borgmeister :)
[01:39] <borgmeister> i shall
[01:39] <borgmeister> well, it was my fault
[01:39] <TrasMontano> Hi i'm back :-(
[01:39] <Kal_Zakath> TrasMontano : a marche ? (does it work ?)
[01:39] <borgmeister> we were having an argument
[01:39] <borgmeister> over linux vs mac osx
[01:39] <TrasMontano> Kal_Zakath: non a marche pas :-(
[01:39] <TrasMontano> NO
[01:39] <Kal_Zakath> erf
[01:39] <Kal_Zakath> TrasMontano : what happended ?
[01:39] <ogra> TrasMontano: smp.....
[01:39] <TrasMontano> Kal_Zakath: i has the same problem whith debian
[01:40] <TrasMontano> ogra: the only way :-(
[01:40] <ogra> TrasMontano: the better way ;)
[01:40] <Kal_Zakath> and what's the pb exactly ?
[01:40] <ogra> TrasMontano: the upgradeable way
[01:40] <TrasMontano> Kal_Zakath: VFS unable to mount unknown block (0,0)
[01:40] <ogra> TrasMontano: the painless one
[01:40] <Kal_Zakath> ogra : doesn't agree
[01:40] <borgmeister> and he said hed break into my system faster than i could his
[01:40] <ogra> Kaloz: why ?
[01:41] <borgmeister> ive never used mac osx
[01:41] <Kal_Zakath> unless you know what you are doing
[01:41] <bigt> dang i can't get terminal to open :(
[01:41] <borgmeister> anyway, im buying the beer
[01:41] <TrasMontano> SMP is not slower than i386 in uniprocessor?
[01:41] <ogra> Kal_Zakath: so you know how all the bits and pieces in ubuntu work together and know what you can en/disable ?
[01:42] <ogra> TrasMontano: nope
[01:42] <Kal_Zakath> ogra : at least, I have a compiled kernel that works perfectly
[01:42] <ogra> Kaloz: so what will you do if you upgrade to the next release ?
[01:42] <ogra> argh
[01:43] <ogra> Kal_Zakath
[01:43] <Kal_Zakath> I'll recompile another one :)
[01:43] <TrasMontano> Kal_Zakath: i think i know what i do but 2.6.8 (compiled by me) never work in my computer, vmware too....
[01:43] <TrasMontano> debian or ubuntu now
[01:43] <TrasMontano> the same problem
[01:43] <Kal_Zakath> TrasMontano : you can't get vmware to work ?
[01:43] <ogra> Kal_Zakath: ok....if you like the extra work....
[01:43] <TrasMontano> VFS ....
[01:44] <Kal_Zakath> ogra : yeah, I'm workless at the moment, so I have plety of time :)
[01:44] <TrasMontano> Kal_Zakath: no 2.6.8 kernel compiled by me in vmware
[01:44] <Kal_Zakath> ok
[01:44] <ogra> TrasMontano: install the smp kernel ... will work fine
[01:44] <TrasMontano> vmware work perfectlcy
[01:44] <Kal_Zakath> ok ok
[01:44] <TrasMontano> ogra: i dl the smp, but u agree with me normaly it should work
[01:45] <TrasMontano> ogra: and smp will boot? it's my real problem, the support of high memory is other thing
[01:45] <sladen> Keybuk: re HIG;  would a wrapped Qt app be any worse than OOo ?  (Eg.  A re-skin with some effort towards bringing it closer to HIG) ?
[01:46] <ogra> TrasMontano: i dunno what or how you compiled (and dont want to know) but its useless....if it doesnt work, thats why there are prepackaged kernels
[01:46] <Keybuk> sladen: nope, but OOo are actually trying
[01:46] <ogra> TrasMontano: as long as you dont fiddle around with your menu.lst everything is automatic in ubuntu
[01:46] <TrasMontano> ok... i understand u want i install a prepaged kernel and don't compile mine
[01:47] <TrasMontano> ogra: yes i saw, but you don't clean the kernel? it's all enabled by default
[01:48] <ogra> Kal_Zakath: i only compile kernels for servers, as i  want it monolithic there with only the needed options, but i think its useless for desktops
[01:48] <ogra> TrasMontano: yep... for desktop use its ok....
[01:48] <spacey`ki> ogra, i think exactly the same
[01:49] <TrasMontano> what is monolithic??
[01:49] <spacey`ki> no module support
[01:49] <TrasMontano> oki !
[01:49] <ogra> TrasMontano: if you plug in anything on a deafult ubuntu kernel, the module will get loaded fine.... if the module is missing you have to recompile....you loose comfort....
[01:50] <TrasMontano> ogra: but it boot slower
[01:50] <ogra> TrasMontano: so i stay with the default and ipress my friends with sticking in their usb cams without installing a driver ;)
[01:51] <spacey`ki> TrasMontano, don't shut it down ;p
[01:51] <TrasMontano> ogra: LOL !!
[01:51] <ogra> TrasMontano: how much slower (in minutes) ?
[01:51] <TrasMontano> ogra: no in minutes lol
[01:51] <TrasMontano> ok i exmplaim what i want to do really
[01:51] <ogra> trat: so you cant afford some seconds for comfort ?
[01:52] <TrasMontano> ubuntu is more for my desktop but i want to make un gateway (firewall, proxy)
[01:52] <TrasMontano> ogra: you are right i know
[01:54] <TrasMontano> i want to make a gateway with a debian or debian like distribution, optimizing it, securing it, for doing only its job
[01:54] <ogra> TrasMontano: dont tell my GF
[01:54] <TrasMontano> ogra: GF?
[01:54] <ogra> GirlFriend
[01:55] <TrasMontano> lol
[01:55] <seek187> wow enemy-territory runs like crap
[01:55] <cardador> seek187: whats your graphic card?
[01:55] <seek187> radeon 9200
[01:56] <ryan> poor poor ati users
[01:56] <ryan> the shit they have to put up with :(
[01:56] <gen> ryan, stop being a fanboy
[01:56] <TrasMontano> so for making my gateway i've to stay on 2.4.XX kernel?? (i know it's not the topic of the chan) i just want youre advise
[01:56] <seek187> does fglrx work with xorg in hoary?
[01:56] <ryan> gen: shut up.
[01:56] <gen> fanboy
[01:56] <seek187> or can I even use it with a 9200?
[01:56] <ryan> idiot
[01:56] <Mithrandir> ryan, gen: please calm down.
[01:57] <gen> no problem
[01:59] <ogra> night guys......
[01:59] <ryan> heh
[01:59] <ryan> night
[01:59] <gen> night ogra
[01:59] <TrasMontano> night ogra just a question
[01:59] <gen> too late tras
[01:59] <TrasMontano> lol
[01:59] <TrasMontano> no pb
[01:59] <TrasMontano> but maybe anybody know the solution
[02:01] <TrasMontano> why when i dl the smp-k7-image il download the linux-image-2.6-k7-smp it download the linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-k7-smp too???????
[02:01] <TrasMontano> sorry
[02:01] <HrdwrBoB> TrasMontano: linux-image-2.6-k7-smp is a meta package
[02:01] <HrdwrBoB> it simply points to the latest version
[02:01] <robertj> if you play mpgs and they are showing up as all black, but you have audio, what's the likely solution?
[02:02] <TrasMontano> what is meta package?
[02:02] <HrdwrBoB> it's a package that has no real contents
[02:02] <ryan> robertj: video output plugin?
[02:02] <HrdwrBoB> it's use is depending on other packages
[02:02] <ryan> robertj: which player are you using?
[02:02] <spacey`ki> see it like a symlink
[02:02] <robertj> tried totem with gstreamer and xine
[02:02] <HrdwrBoB> spacey`ki: kinda yeah
[02:02] <TrasMontano> HrdwrBoB: thx i understood
[02:02] <robertj> both give the same result (well xine is blue screen instead of black)
[02:02] <ryan> robertj: you may have much better luck with mplayer
[02:02] <spacey`ki> anyway good night /me zzzz
[02:03] <TrasMontano> robertj: try to get xine-ui
[02:03] <robertj> The selected video_out device is incompatible with this codec.
[02:03] <robertj> VDecoder init failed :(
[02:03] <robertj> Opening video decoder: [libmpeg2]  MPEG 1/2 Video decoder libmpeg2-v0.3.1
[02:03] <TrasMontano> spacey night ;-)
[02:03] <robertj> that's from mplayer
[02:03] <HrdwrBoB> robertj: what does mplayer -vo sdl give you
[02:04] <robertj> Hrd: I dont see anything really abnormal
[02:04] <gen> vlc solves all problems :)
[02:05] <robertj> Hrd: what would I be looking for
[02:06] <ryan> has anyone had the chance to try out the new nvidia drivers
[02:06] <HrdwrBoB> robertj: nono, mplayer -vo sdl file.mpg
[02:06] <HrdwrBoB> run it with file.mpg as the file you want to play
[02:06] <Exasparilla> Hi - I just switched over from Debian, and I have a question:  I own a ZCom XI-325 802.11b card (I think it's prism2).  The orinoco_cs modules get loaded.  No wlan0 shows up in my /dev.  What do I need to do to get wireless working?
[02:06] <robertj> HrdwrBoB: i did that
[02:06] <HrdwrBoB> did it work?
[02:07] <robertj> complains about not finding a matching colorspace
[02:07] <robertj> Could not find matching colorspace - retrying with -vf scale...
[02:07] <robertj> Opening video filter: [scale]
[02:07] <HrdwrBoB> what is your video card
[02:08] <robertj> i810
[02:10] <Gwildor> ogra, do you remember what Matt| told me to install after i upgraded to hoary?
[02:12] <Gwildor> ogra, nvm found it
[02:13] <bigt> what does this mean ? could not look up internet address for bigtony.example.com This will prevent GNOME from operating correctly. It may be possible to correct the problme by adding bigtony.example.com to the file /etc/hosts.
[02:13] <bigt> it just started happening :(
[02:18] <logic> bigt: did you just apt-get upgrade? I got the same after I upgraded ... hasn't caused me problems but its annoying
[02:18] <bigt> yeah
[02:18] <nomasteryoda> did you add - bigtony.example.com to the file /etc/hosts ??
[02:18] <bigt> i don't know what the deal is
[02:18] <bigt> no i haven't
[02:18] <nomasteryoda> it will fix it
[02:19] <bigt> just put it like that ?
[02:19] <nomasteryoda> yea
[02:19] <bigt> with the local loopback or what?
[02:19] <nomasteryoda> the localhost needs a name
[02:19] <bigt> ok
[02:19] <nomasteryoda> and that update must have given it one
[02:19] <bigt> let me try
[02:19] <Gmail> when is the .deb firefox 1 final coming into the responsories>
[02:19] <nomasteryoda> k
[02:22] <Kamion> Exasparilla: you shouldn't expect to see network interface names appear in /dev; they never do in Linux
[02:22] <Kamion> Exasparilla: the interface should be eth0 rather than wlan0, I'd expect
[02:23] <supos> Gmail: which repository? It's in debian unstable now
[02:23] <Kamion> Gmail: when it's done
[02:23] <Kamion> shouldn't expect it to be long
[02:25] <Gmail> Kamion: every what does debian merge to ubuntu?
[02:25] <Kamion> when developers have time
[02:25] <Kamion> it's a semi-manual process
[02:26] <Kamion> it's part of our standard work day, but that doesn't mean that the merge of something as large and complicated as mozilla-firefox is easy or quick
[02:27] <sysop> just curious...anyone know a Ubuntu shipped CD eta?
[02:27] <jdub> this month
[02:27] <sysop> sweet! :-)
[02:28] <Gmail> sysop: rumer are that some of the first order to australia arre in australia as of yesterday
[02:30] <sysop> Gmail: Makes sense if they're being shipped from South Africa I guess. The states will probably take much longer! :-) USPS sux sometimes.
[02:31] <Kamion> I wouldn't imagine that they're being shipped from SA
[02:31] <Kamion> Canonical isn't based there
[02:31] <sysop> UK then?
[02:32] <Kamion> I'm not privy to the details, but the UK seems a rather more likely candidate given that all our admin stuff is here
[02:32] <Keybuk> Kamion: NL isn't it?
[02:32] <Gmail> sysop: i said the first lot not all
[02:32] <Kamion> Keybuk: is it? ok
[02:32] <Keybuk> I seem to recall mako saying something about it
[02:32] <Kamion> ah, well mako would certainly know better than I :)
[02:32] <mako> i know
[02:32] <mako> :)
[02:32] <Keybuk> mako: so where are they coming from? :)
[02:32] <mako> the cds are coming from the netherlands
[02:32] <mako> they started shipping this week
[02:33] <mako> the high priority ultra urgent orders went out wednesday
[02:33] <mako> ergh.. monday
[02:33] <Keybuk> who's are "high priority ultra urgent"? :)
[02:33] <mako> Keybuk: people who responded to teh mail to say "this is ultra urgent"
[02:33] <robertj> Any big companies asking for cds?
[02:33] <Keybuk> heh
[02:34] <gen> anyone know any good stats display programs? such as cpu usage, disk space left, temps, etc..
[02:34] <mako> robertj: we sent a a bunch to redhat :)
[02:34] <gen> to display(desktop)
[02:34] <mako> and threw in a little display box!
[02:34] <robertj> mako: I'm really glad Ubuntu came along when it did
[02:34] <sysop> redhat! huh :-)
[02:34] <Kal_Zakath> gen : gkrellm
[02:34] <robertj> otherwise I really believe Novel could have done naughty things to Linux
[02:34] <mako> clee: did you get your cd's yet?
[02:34] <gen> thanks kal
[02:35] <Kal_Zakath> gen : ork gdesklet if you are more courageaous :)
[02:35] <sysop> robertj: I agree...thankful for ubuntu now!
[02:35] <gen> why would i need to be corageous for something so simple?
[02:35] <mako> it will take a couple weeks for everything to leave the factory and then some time for it make its way in the mail :)
[02:35] <gen> as in, it should be simple
[02:36] <robertj> Hehe, is there anything we can do to shake more money out of your sugar daddy?
[02:36] <robertj> Write him letters, send him flowers ;)
[02:37] <tolstoya> what nasty things would novel have done?
[02:44] <Gwildor> SWeeT, i made it guys
[02:45] <clee> mako: Not as far as I know
[02:45] <clee> mako: I wasn't at the office today though
[02:57] <mako> clee: ok, it probably came today
[02:58] <mako> clee: the other US packages i know of did
[02:58] <mako> clee: they're great looking
[02:58] <Keybuk> mako: should I expect CDs tomorrow UK then?
[02:58] <mako> Keybuk: if you were on the high priority lisy, you should already have it
[02:59] <mako> Keybuk: otherwise, i don't know but you're at teh top of the list and it's only coming from the nl so i'd expect is soon
[02:59] <mako> Keybuk: as long as they are shipping in the order that i gave it to them (in the order it went into the DB) which you would put you in the first 30 packages
[03:00] <Keybuk> *nods*
[03:00] <Keybuk> so it should arrive before I'm not here then :p
[03:00] <clee> mako: well, thanks :)
[03:02] <kingkevbo> Greetings everyone, I have a question on how security updates work in Ubuntu
[03:02] <Keybuk> kingkevbo: what is your question?  (and I'm trying to resist giving "because we don't let thom near them" as the answer already <g>)
[03:03] <kingkevbo> I know that main gets security updates, and that universal is "not supported
[03:03] <HrdwrBoB> universe
[03:03] <HrdwrBoB> but yes
[03:03] <kingkevbo> But does that mean that noone updates universe?
[03:04] <bob2> universe does not get security fixes
[03:04] <bob2> nor does it change after a release
[03:04] <bob2> the development branch of universe gets updates from sid
[03:05] <Bernhard> but they have to be extra-compiled for umbuntu?
[03:05] <Bernhard> -m
[03:05] <bob2> "extra-compiled"?
[03:05] <bob2> they're binaries
[03:05] <kingkevbo> oic, so no new versions in universe once the snapshot is taken of Sid
[03:05] <Bernhard> but not the same binaries as in Sid?
[03:06] <Foxfyre> Howdy folks
[03:06] <bob2> Bernhard: they're rebuilt, yes
[03:06] <Bernhard> bob2, thanks
[03:06] <billytwowilly> When buying an addon PCI IDE card is there anything I should look out for? Should they all just work with linux?
[03:06] <bob2> www.linux-ide.org has a list of supported ones, iirc
[03:06] <billytwowilly> nice
[03:07] <Foxfyre> So I got a new wireless card today for my laptop, and Ubuntu is not recognizing it immediately. Where do I go to add hardware?
[03:07] <bob2> is it supported by linux?
[03:07] <bob2> if so, it should Just Work
[03:08] <Foxfyre> I'm double checking now
[03:08] <billytwowilly> Foxfyre, what did you get?
[03:09] <kingkevbo> Thanks for answering my question bob2
[03:09] <Foxfyre> Trendware, cheapo card. As it turns out it's not supposed to work with Linux. Boy do I feel like an idiot.
[03:10] <kingkevbo> Ugh, I've had so many headaches w/ wifi cards, finally I just got an Orinoco Classic Gold
[03:10] <hypa7ia> lol kingkevbo, that's what i did too
[03:10] <hypa7ia> but i finally got my internal card working
[03:11] <kingkevbo> I love it when manufacturers change chipsets and they can't even tell you what's under the hood
[03:11] <Foxfyre> I'm on a tight budget so this is what I got for now
[03:11] <kingkevbo> I can sympathize Foxfyre
[03:12] <billytwowilly> gah
[03:12] <Foxfyre> Alright, well thanks, seeya all later
[03:13] <kingkevbo> yw
[03:14] <kingkevbo> I would really like to use Ubuntu on a server I am planning to colo.... Any suggestions on dealing w/ security?
[03:14] <HrdwrBoB> kingkevbo: use only stuff in main :)
[03:14] <billytwowilly> woot! found one and it's cheap1
[03:14] <billytwowilly> !
[03:14] <billytwowilly> bob2, thanks for the info
[03:15] <bob2> kingkevbo: use supported stuff and subscribe to debian-security-announce, which will have advisories for some more stuff from universe
[03:15] <bob2> of course the versions differ, etc, but it's something
[03:16] <billytwowilly> hhmm. Ok, this says it has a 40 -pin connector. I thought IDE used 80 pins??
[03:16] <grelli> billytwowilly no
[03:16] <billytwowilly> hey!
[03:16] <kingkevbo> Should I compile from source for non-main?
[03:16] <billytwowilly> grelli is in here!
[03:16] <grelli> IDE is a 40pin connector, but ata100/133 cables have 80 conductors
[03:16] <bob2> ata-100 uses 80-pins 40 are extra ground conductors
[03:17] <bob2> kingkevbo: that won't help...
[03:17] <grelli> and yes, I am in here
[03:17] <billytwowilly> wow.
[03:17] <kingkevbo> I'd still have to keep up w/ advisories, of course
[03:17] <billytwowilly> A fellow Edmontonian in #ubuntu. That's neat
[03:18] <bob2> kingkevbo: what'
[03:18] <bob2> s  the advntage of compiling yourself then?
[03:19] <kingkevbo> Well, the packages wouldn't be updated, so why not download tarballs directly when an advisory hits?
[03:20] <bob2> or get the source from sid and rebuild
[03:20] <grelli> anywho
[03:20] <kingkevbo> Ah, yup, I could :-P
[03:21] <kingkevbo> duh ;-)
[03:21] <JDahl> bob2, we were talking about a wiki for openAFS/Ubuntu yesterday: after testing it more I am putting it on hold - the kernel module is still much to buggy, even crashes linux occasionally
[03:21] <bob2> JDahl: ah, that sucks
[03:21] <ben> hi
[03:22] <ben> is there a way to de-uglify qt?
[03:22] <ben> i installed it from apt-get and it's so ugly
[03:22] <ben> in skype, all the icons are cut off and stuff like that
[03:23] <kingkevbo> Thanks for the advice bob2 :-)
[03:24] <ben> anyone?
[03:25] <bob2> kingkevbo: you're welcome
[03:28] <ben> ?
[03:29] <bob2> I guess no one is using it
[03:29] <bob2> try the list
[03:29] <asdf_46> ben, I have never messed with that, but there is probibly a hidden directory in your home folder with kde stuff you could change the theme.
[03:32] <hypa7ia> hey, i have to either do some crazy bios hacking or apply a patch to the kernel and recompile it.  are there any advantages to running a custom kernel?
[03:32] <HrdwrBoB> hypa7ia: not overly
[03:33] <sladen> <Riddell > epod: install kdeartwork-styles and put widgetStyle=plastik in ~/.kde/share/config/kdeglobals
[03:33] <ben> asdf_46, ok, i'll look
[03:33] <asdf_46> hypa7ia, depends on who you ask
[03:33] <asdf_46> :)
[03:33] <sladen> hypa7ia: what are you having to do crazy hackery for?
[03:33] <hypa7ia> lol asdf_46
[03:34] <hypa7ia> sladen: it involves decompiling the DSDT and patching it
[03:34] <ben> asdf_46, I see a .qt folder, but it's just got a single plugin file thing
[03:34] <ben> no themes :(
[03:34] <hypa7ia> there;s a bug in the acpi in my notebook
[03:34] <asdf_46> hypa7ia, what kind of notebook?
[03:34] <ben> hypa7ia, dude, same with me i think, ubuntu won't recognize my acpi, even though the bios says that's what my laptop is running
[03:35] <Rene_S> Close the pages really fast and squish the bug
[03:35] <ben> Rene_S, rofl
[03:35] <hypa7ia> <-- not a dude :-)
[03:35] <ben> dudette ;)
[03:35] <hypa7ia> asdf_46: ASUS M6N laptop
[03:36] <ben> i have a compaq
[03:36] <hypa7ia> ben, what kind do you have?
[03:36] <hypa7ia> ahh
[03:36] <ben> which are none to store bios on the harddrive
[03:36] <hypa7ia> mine's the one that LinuxCertified is selling :-)
[03:36] <ben> which is the stupidest thing i've ever seen, but w/e
[03:36] <ben> *known
[03:36] <hypa7ia> ibought it barebones and didn't pay the M$ tax :-)
[03:36] <ben> not none
[03:38] <eclipse> after i upgraded to x.org when i try to move the icons on my desktop it shows the border line of my desktop...so is there a way to disable that feature?
[03:38] <bob2> has someone filed a bug?
[03:38] <eclipse> lol
[03:38] <noneus1st> are there any problems with new x.org and firegl?
[03:38] <eclipse> is that a bug?
[03:38] <eclipse> well i'm using nvidia driver
[03:38] <sladen> noneus1st: I don't know.  Have you found one?
[03:39] <bob2> eclipse: it sounds like it to me
[03:39] <bob2> noneus1st: it won't work
[03:39] <sladen> eclipse: what do you mean 'border line' ?
[03:39] <noneus1st> bob2, thanks. so no xorg update
[03:39] <eclipse> lol, u have the same thing/bug?
[03:40] <ryan> eclipse: i believe that is nautilus...
[03:40] <ryan> and i believe its just to let you know where the icon will be dropped
[03:40] <ryan> open the computer window, for example
[03:40] <eclipse> well for example, if i move an icon to a different area on my desktop it shows the 4 lines from 4 angles
[03:40] <ryan> and drag an icon over it
[03:40] <ryan> and the border will go from the root window to the computer window
[03:40] <eclipse> like a box of a desktop
[03:41] <eclipse> ryan: but i never had that before
[03:41] <eclipse> i don't like that feature/bug
[03:41] <ryan> eclipse: yeah well i think it might be a new 'feature'
[03:41] <eclipse> it could be a bug or something
[03:42] <ryan> since nautilus got updated
[03:42] <noneus1st> nice i have to update 151 packages. my last update was last week
[03:42] <ryan> let me locate a changelog
[03:42] <eclipse> well, i think it's nautilus cause it's on the desktop
[03:42] <eclipse> well, i think it's NOT nautilus cause it's on the desktop
[03:43] <ryan> ...nautilus draws the desktop
[03:43] <asdf_46> Any ideas on a ndis wrapper wireless card not getting a dhcp address?
[03:43] <bob2> the ndiswrapper people would probably be a better source of info
[03:43] <eclipse> ok
[03:43] <labanux> did someone know how to turn off the ubuntu
[03:44] <eclipse> ryan, do u know a way to disable that feature?
[03:44] <asdf_46> bob2, thanks, i'll chek it ouy/
[03:44] <ryan> eclipse: no; i'm looking for the changelog though to determine if its a bug or feature
[03:45] <labanux> i try : computer .>logout >turn off, but it doesn't work
[03:45] <labanux> then i try halt -p
[03:45] <labanux> it still got the same
[03:45] <labanux> i try again shutdown -h now
[03:45] <bob2> labanux: does running "modprobe apm" first help?
[03:45] <labanux> but my ubuntu still can't turned off
[03:45] <nessmuk> anybody know how to set up English Dvorak in Ubuntu?
[03:46] <labanux> modprobe apm?
[03:46] <bob2> labanux: assuming you mean "I tell my computer to shutdown, but it doesn't power off"
[03:46] <labanux> wait a minute.., i'll try it
[03:46] <labanux> bob2: yeah.., exactly like what you said..
[03:46] <ryan> gmm
[03:47] <ryan> eclipse: unfortunately according to the NEWS file `nautilus 2.8.2 was updated without a news entry'
[03:47] <labanux>  sudo modprobe apm
[03:47] <labanux> Password:
[03:47] <labanux> FATAL: Error inserting apm (/lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/apm.ko): No such device
[03:47] <eclipse> ryan: so it's a bug?
[03:47] <labanux> that's the error message..
[03:47] <ryan> eclipse: still don't know.
[03:47] <eclipse> man i think it;s a bug
[03:47] <kingkevbo> labanux:  Is APM turned off in your BIOS?
[03:48] <eclipse> plus i don't like that when i move an icon
[03:48] <bob2> you probably need some acpi thing then
[03:48] <bob2> no idea which one, ask on the list
[03:48] <labanux> eh..??
[03:48] <labanux> i don't know..
[03:48] <ryan> i suppose you could try filing it and see if a developer clarifies the situation
[03:49] <eclipse> ryan: it was fine before i upgrade from xfree to x.org
[03:49] <ryan> eclipse: yes, but when you upgraded to x.org, i'm sure your nautilus was updated as well
[03:49] <bob2> labanux: ask which ACPI modules you need to load to be able to powerdown, on the list
[03:50] <eclipse> but i didn't upgrade gnome
[03:50] <labanux> kingkevbo: so.., i must turn on the apm on my bios setting..?
[03:50] <sladen> mjg59: acpi module to be able to poweroff ?
[03:51] <eclipse> ryan: well, r u having the same problem as me?
[03:51] <labanux> bob2: what list did you mean..??
[03:51] <ryan> i get a border yes
[03:51] <ryan> but i don't consider it a problem :)
[03:51] <bob2> labanux: erm, the ubuntu-users one
[03:51] <kingkevbo> labanux:  Well, it could be that APM is turned off in the BIOS, or like bob2 said, your BIOS could be ACPI-compliant
[03:52] <eclipse> r u running hoary or warty?
[03:52] <labanux> kingkevbo: acpi compliant..??
[03:53] <labanux> but the  system say "load_acpi_module"
[03:53] <labanux> but then the computer was stalled
[03:53] <labanux> and nothing happend
[03:53] <ryan> eclipse: i'm running hoary
[03:54] <eclipse> ok
[03:54] <nessmuk> anybody know how to set up English Dvorak in Ubuntu?
[03:54] <kingkevbo> labanux:  There are 2 types of power management used by PCs:  APM and ACPI
[03:55] <labanux> kingkevbo: so how can i know which type does my computer use?
[03:55] <eclipse> ryan: r ur animated cursors flickering when browsing the web?
[03:55] <bob2> dude
[03:55] <bob2> if you're using animated cursors, you have already lost
[03:55] <eclipse> bob2: what do u mean?
[03:57] <kingkevbo> labanux:  Check in your BIOS..... Usually there will be a place where you can turn on APM/ACPI.....That will tell you which one you have
[03:57] <labanux> ok..
[03:57] <labanux> i'll try it first..
[03:57] <MoonSweep> labanux: type "lspci" and see if you have an APM or ACPI system
[03:57] <labanux> if it's succes.., i'll tell you
[03:58] <ben> how do i check my bios?
[03:58] <kingkevbo> Much better idea MoonSweep :-)
[03:59] <MoonSweep> kingkevbo: yes but too late... he left :-/
[03:59] <visor> hi people
[03:59] <eclipse> ryan: do your animated cursors flicker when ur online?
[04:00] <labanux> MoonSweep : i've try using lspci..
[04:00] <visor> i have a question, maybe a stupid one, but as long as only in ubuntu i saw this working well...
[04:01] <labanux> MoonSweep : and this is the output 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8377 [KT400/KT600 AGP]  Host Bridge (rev 80)
[04:01] <labanux> 0000:00:01.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8237 PCI Bridge
[04:01] <labanux> 0000:00:0f.0 RAID bus controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VIA VT6420 SATA RAID Controller (rev 80)
[04:01] <labanux> 0000:00:0f.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06)
[04:01] <labanux> 0000:00:10.0 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 81)
[04:01] <labanux> 0000:00:10.1 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 81)
[04:01] <labanux> 0000:00:10.2 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 81)
[04:01] <labanux> 0000:00:10.3 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 81)
[04:01] <labanux> 0000:00:10.4 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB 2.0 (rev 86)
[04:01] <labanux> 0000:00:11.0 ISA bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8237 ISA bridge [K8T800 South]
[04:01] <labanux> 0000:00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 60)
[04:01] <labanux> 0000:00:12.0 Ethernet controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6102 [Rhine-II]  (rev 78)
[04:01] <tseng> easy there champ!
[04:01] <labanux> 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV100 QY [Radeon 7000/VE]
[04:01] <MoonSweep> flood
[04:01] <bob2> labanux: please don't do that again
[04:01] <visor> when you open a remote uri in nautilus like smb:// or sftp:// it is suppossed to access them through gnome-vfs2, doesnt it?
[04:02] <visor> well thing is, if you play a mp3 file say, within nautilus but this file is located in a remote smb server, this is all done by gnome-vfs2 backend?
[04:03] <bob2> if you mean, "can I use non-gnome apps to play it", then no
[04:03] <kingkevbo> labanux:  looks as if your power management has been turned off in the BIOS
[04:03] <bob2> unless it does something dodgy like copying to /tmp
[04:03] <bob2> which it might do
[04:03] <labanux> bob2: hah..??? what's up..??
[04:03] <labanux> bob2: what's my mistake..??
[04:03] <bob2> labanux: don't paste lots of stuff like that again
[04:03] <visor> bob2: actually, i know maybe this is not the channel to do so, but... i can play anything or open anything in ubuntu
[04:03] <AndyFitz> I broke my XF86Config-4 file.  any idea how to execute the ubuntu wizard that sets it up ?
[04:04] <bob2> AndyFitz: read the top of the file
[04:04] <AndyFitz> I managed to run something through aptitude but it didnt save it anywher
[04:04] <visor> bob2: but i just installed suse gnome rpms and i cannot do the same (i need suse... business things)
[04:04] <hypa7ia> AndyFitz: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[04:04] <Keybuk> adnans: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[04:04] <hypa7ia> lol
[04:04] <bob2> visor: did you read wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats?
[04:04] <AndyFitz> hypa7ia:  cheers heaps.  thanks buddy
[04:05] <visor> bob2: the odd thing is that i can open say an image, or a document remotely within nautilus but not the mp3, video and so, it says theres no plugin toplay, but thats not the reason because if i copy the remote file i can open it locally
[04:05] <labanux> bob2: oh..., i;m sorry .., i don't know about that
[04:05] <hypa7ia> no problemo AndyFitz
[04:06] <erik> hey, is there a good email checker applet?
[04:06] <erik> or how does one monitor for new email in gnome2.8?
[04:06] <visor> bob2: and yeah, as i said, i have no problems for this with ubuntu, just in suse unofficial gnome, so i thought maybe someone had a hint
[04:06] <erik> I'm used to wmbiff in wmaker
[04:06] <visor> erik: i think there is one within applets in the panel area
[04:06] <erik> visor: can't find one
[04:06] <erik> then again i'm using hoary so maybe it's taken out
[04:07] <bob2> it's not in hoary, indeed
[04:07] <visor> erik: just click in "Add to panel" -> "Inbox monitor" and youre done
[04:07] <visor> uhmm i see
[04:07] <erik> hm
[04:07] <erik> guess I'll go hunting
[04:07] <erik> thanks
[04:07] <Keybuk> it's not in upstream either
[04:07] <visor> i have warthy
[04:07] <Keybuk> there's a bounty for one that uses evolution to do it
[04:08] <bob2> visor: it's been removed from upstream gnome 2.9
[04:08] <Keybuk> (a GNOME bounty, that is)
[04:08] <erik> down with evolution!
[04:08] <erik> hypa7ia: can evolution do threading?
[04:08] <visor> bob2: i didnt know
[04:08] <HrdwrBoB> evolution is good
[04:08] <Keybuk> erik: sure.
[04:08] <erik> Keybuk: how?
[04:08] <HrdwrBoB> lol Keybuk
[04:08] <Keybuk> erik: Ctrl+T
[04:09] <kingkevbo> True erik
[04:09] <bob2> Keybuk: KONTACT
[04:09] <ben> where's the file with the acpi=off stuff?
[04:09] <erik> ben: /boot/grub/menu.lst ?
[04:09] <ben> yeah, thanks :)
[04:10] <erik> evolution seems to have issues with my ISAP box
[04:10] <erik> IMAP box
[04:10] <kingkevbo> Keybuk:  so Evolution will do threading?
[04:10] <Keybuk> kingkevbo: yes.
[04:10] <erik> C-t doesn't seem to do any threading
[04:10] <BrittBS> erik, yeah ... i'm actually filing a bugreport about that right now
[04:10] <kingkevbo> w00t :-)
[04:10] <ben> uh, i couldn't seem to find anything about acpi in my bios
[04:10] <erik> BrittBS: about IMAP?
[04:10] <ben> i did find something about speedsetp settings
[04:10] <Keybuk> erik: is View -> Threaded Message List  ticked?
[04:10] <BrittBS> erik, yes
[04:10] <visor> bob2: so i can deduct that if totem its not able to play (in suse... not ubuntu :P)  remote files complaining about plugins (wich i have) and being able to play locally those very same kind of files, and opening remote files (like images) works the problem is in totem itself not in gnome-vfs2/nautilus, doesnt it?
[04:10] <erik> Keybuk: yes
[04:11] <ben> i can set speedstep settings from my bios, is it supposed to be that way
[04:11] <Pariente> can some one tell me how to install a live of ubuntu
[04:11] <bob2> visor: hrm, I don't really know, but it sounds reasonable :)
[04:11] <Keybuk> erik: then it should be threading away
[04:11] <ben> isn't cpufreq and powernowd supposed to control that?
[04:11] <kingkevbo> I haven't gotten a chance to play much w/ evolution.... nice
[04:11] <erik> Keybuk: nope :(
[04:11] <Keybuk> erik: *shrug* works fine for me
[04:11] <erik> Keybuk: using warty or hoary
[04:11] <erik> ?
[04:11] <AndyFitz> oh bummer., hyp7ia: its not creating or modifying any files in /etc/X11
[04:11] <visor> bob2: well then, lets start tracking the thingie in totem code, thanks anyway :)
[04:11] <Keybuk> erik: both
[04:11] <erik> I'm using evolution 2.1.0 from hoary
[04:11] <erik> hm, weird
[04:11] <Keybuk> actually, I don't think I've actualled tried 2.1 yet
[04:11] <hypa7ia> AndyFitz: you did it sudo, right?
[04:12] <AndyFitz> this is on hoary btw
[04:12] <erik> at any rate all the nice emacs keybindings don't work so I don't thin kI'm going to be able to use evo :p
[04:12] <ben> how can i know if i have acpi?
[04:12] <AndyFitz> I was sudo while executing it
[04:12] <erik> ben: sniff around in /proc/acpi ?
[04:12] <ben> isn't there a quick command that tells u?
[04:12] <ben> like lspci or something?
[04:12] <Keybuk> erik: well, yes, it's not emacs *shock*
[04:13] <AndyFitz> ps -e
[04:13] <AndyFitz> oops :P
[04:13] <bob2> ben: read your motherboard manual
[04:13] <erik> Keybuk: ok this is weird
[04:13] <hypa7ia> AndyFitz: that's really weird
[04:13] <erik> Keybuk: evo DOES thread *some* messages
[04:13] <hypa7ia> yeah, the threading is kinda lame
[04:13] <erik> Keybuk: but not all threads for some reason ... its as if it only does microsoft threading hints or something
[04:13] <Keybuk> erik: it threads on References/In-Reply-To only (ie properly)
[04:13] <hypa7ia> and new messages don't bring threads to the top chronologically
[04:14] <Keybuk> mails with just the same/similar subject don't get threaded (because it doesn't know where to put them in the tree)
[04:14] <AndyFitz> hypa7ia: I'm running hoary
[04:14] <Keybuk> hypa7ia: sort it by date ...
[04:14] <hypa7ia> AndyFitz: are you maybe using xorg then?
[04:14] <AndyFitz> with main universe multiverse restricted etc
[04:15] <Pariente> my eth0 is not working in ubuntu.......
[04:15] <Pariente> can some one help
[04:15] <Keybuk> erik: turn on the subject-thread plugin :)
[04:15] <AndyFitz> I didnt notice it change to xorg  but sometimes I apt-get without looking
[04:15] <erik> Keybuk: I've got a "References" header here and it's not threading on it
[04:15] <erik> AND an In-Reply-To
[04:16] <Keybuk> erik: you sure you've got the parents ?
[04:16] <hypa7ia> AndyFitz: that might have something to do with it, but i don't really know... plus i'm running hoary
[04:16] <erik> it didn't Keybuk yep
[04:16] <erik> er
[04:16] <Keybuk> it works fine in 2.0
[04:16] <erik> Keybuk: yep
[04:16] <hypa7ia> err warty rather
[04:16] <Keybuk> it could be a 2.1 bug, of course
[04:16] <erik> yeah
[04:16] <erik> must be ... it's very clear
[04:16] <hypa7ia> Keybuk: i do have it sorted by date
[04:16] <erik> the messages are even right next to eachother in the list because they were chronologically next to each other
[04:16] <erik> but it didn't hook em
[04:16] <bob2> erik: do you have the parent?
[04:16] <erik> bob2: yeah
[04:17] <hypa7ia> the sorting by date should be by the most recent message in the thread
[04:17] <erik> hang on
[04:17] <erik> screenshot coming
[04:17] <AndyFitz> see I was editing XF86config-4 and the backup was overwritten.  I think its just a configuration error .  but for some reason  dpkg-reconfigure wont replace my problem
[04:17] <erik> ... after an incredibly long "Opening folder imap4://......"
[04:17] <AndyFitz> and the file made by Xfree86 -configure
[04:18] <AndyFitz> doesnt work :-/
[04:18] <bob2> AndyFitz: did you read the top of the file or not?
[04:18] <bob2> it explains exactly how to get debconf to touch it again
[04:18] <noneus> so i updated to xorg. my fglrx stuff still works.
[04:18] <bob2> hm, I thought someone said the ABI changhed
[04:18] <scoon> hey all
[04:19] <scoon> great distro
[04:19] <AndyFitz> the top of what file . XF86Config-4 ?
[04:19] <GotD0t> does anybody know an app that i can open a WPS file with
[04:19] <scoon> i am coming from gentoo and I bet someone has heard this before
[04:19] <bob2> AndyFitz: yes
[04:19] <visor> is it _sane_ to add unstable sources to apt just to update say, gaim?
[04:19] <scoon> how do you get a script to load up during boot ?
[04:19] <visor> me not being a debian guru.. you know i dont want to break the system
[04:19] <AndyFitz> the top says Section "ServerLayout"
[04:19] <bob2> visor: debian unstable or hoary?
[04:20] <bob2> AndyFitz: erm, so you nuked the file completely?
[04:20] <AndyFitz> that file is toast
[04:20] <bob2> bah
[04:20] <hypa7ia> scoon: obligatory gentoo joke :-) http://www.eghetto.ca/~msviolet/Humour/gentoo.jpg
[04:20] <visor> bob2: does hoary has updates packages for gaim?
[04:20] <AndyFitz> I need to make a new one
[04:20] <bob2> visor: I don't know
[04:20] <bob2> it has 1.0.2
[04:20] <erik> http://ebourget.net/~erik/child.png <- gnus displaying the child    http://ebourget.net/~erik/parent.png <-- gnus displaying the parent  http://ebourget.net/~erik/bzzt.png <-- evolution not threading
[04:21] <visor> then it does... well, i think ill try that one
[04:21] <bob2> scoon: copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to /etc/init.d/whatever, edit it, run "update-rc.d whatever defaults" or so
[04:22] <AndyFitz> bob2: is there a way to recreate the file.  since reconfigure doesnt do this
[04:22] <erik> Keybuk: you agree that evo should be threading that one?
[04:22] <erik> if so, I'll go bugreport evo about it
[04:22] <bob2> AndyFitz: yes, but I don't know it
[04:23] <bob2> ask on the list
[04:23] <spiv> AndyFitz: The instructions at the top of the file you nuked say:
[04:23] <seek187> whats a good cd buring app in hoary?
[04:23] <erik> seek187: nautilus burns CDs
[04:23] <spiv> # If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated
[04:23] <spiv> # again, run the following commands as root:
[04:23] <spiv> #
[04:23] <spiv> #   cp /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.custom
[04:23] <spiv> #   md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 >/var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum
[04:23] <spiv> #   dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[04:23] <hypa7ia> heh nice conspiracy header erik
[04:23] <seek187> it does?
[04:23] <erik> hypa7ia: :D
[04:23] <erik> seek187: yeah
[04:23] <erik> seek187: go to burn://
[04:23] <seek187> what about isos?
[04:23] <erik> seek187: or right-click on an ISO and hit "burn to cd"
[04:23] <seek187> nice
[04:23] <seek187> cool thx
[04:24] <erik> alternatively a lot of people like k3b and i'm sure it's in universe ... it's kde-requiring though
[04:24] <GotD0t> does anybody know how to open a .wps file?
[04:24] <AndyFitz> thansk spiv
[04:24] <erik> GotD0t: sounds like wordperfect ... openoffice?
[04:24] <ben> "ACPI disabled because your bios is from 2000 and too old
[04:24] <ben> "
[04:24] <ben> why does it do that?
[04:24] <Keybuk> erik: indeed, how curious
[04:24] <hypa7ia> no WP filters in OOo
[04:24] <GotD0t> erik: nah... its MS Works
[04:24] <hypa7ia> alas
[04:24] <erik> hypa7ia: :(
[04:24] <bob2> ben: because almost all old acpi motherboards were unusably buggy
[04:24] <bob2> ben: it's possible to force it on
[04:24] <bob2> (if you think it will work)
[04:24] <spiv> AndyFitz: no worries
[04:24] <ben> bob2, it worked on mandrake
[04:25] <ben> without having to force anything
[04:25] <Gmail> oooh my mail box is full i hope its the cds well i need to wait till my dad opens it
[04:25] <bob2> ben: with the same kernel version?
[04:25] <GotD0t> gmail... you cant get the mail yourself?
[04:25] <erik> hey, does ubuntu do ACPI laptop suspension?  if so, how?
[04:26] <bob2> it works a lot better in hoary
[04:26] <bob2> it depends on the laptop a lot
[04:26] <Gmail> GotD0t: goot r00t? no my dad has the key (we got a new mail box a few days a go)
[04:26] <ben> bob2: oh, i'm not sure about that...
[04:26] <erik> bob2: how do I uh make it happen?
[04:26] <Rene_S> Does no one use a desktop computer anymore ?
[04:26] <erik> assuming my laptop is supported
[04:26] <hypa7ia> now THAT would make me want to update to hoary
[04:26] <erik> Rene_S: nope
[04:26] <ben> Rene_S, nope
[04:26] <ben> lol
[04:26] <hypa7ia> nope :-)
[04:26] <Rene_S> Damn i feel out dated
[04:26] <hypa7ia> actualy i'm gonna be putting ubu on a desktop tomorrow
[04:26] <ben> lol
[04:27] <erik> I just put ubuntu-amd64 on a desktop today
[04:27] <erik> ... TOTALLY AWESOME
[04:27] <Rene_S> Im too clumsy to have a laptop
[04:27] <ben> i want to put ubuntu on my desktop, but my parents would reak out
[04:27] <ben> Rene_S, rofl
[04:27] <kingkevbo> Rene_S:  I do, but I have the laptop too :-)
[04:27] <hypa7ia> mine's an old dell, 900 mhz i think
[04:27] <ben> bob2, what were u saying about hoary being better with laptops?
[04:27] <erik> where the jesus do I report a bug for "novell evolution"?
[04:27] <bob2> ben: no, I didn't say that
[04:27] <ben> hypa7ia, mines an older compaq, 600mhz :p
[04:27] <bob2> erik: ubuntu's bugzilla, /topic
[04:27] <ben> bob2, what did u say?
[04:28] <hypa7ia> laptop is like 2x better than the desktop
[04:28] <bob2> ben: I said ACPI suspend will work a lot better on hoary
[04:28] <ben> oh
[04:28] <BrittBS> erik, or http://bugzilla.ximian.com/ if you know it is evo specific
[04:28] <erik> Ah
[04:28] <erik> yeah
[04:28] <erik> ximian sounds good :p
[04:28] <ben> well, i'm gonna tray acpi forced on and hope for the best
[04:28] <Rene_S> its bad enough I gotta compete with the digital camera freaks, soon I am gonna need a laptop anyhow
[04:28] <hypa7ia> bob2: is that "will" as in "doesn't yet"
[04:29] <bob2> hypa7ia: "will" as in "when it releases"
[04:29] <hypa7ia> Rene_S: ASUS
[04:29] <hypa7ia> ahh, gotcha bob2 :-)
[04:29] <bob2> it probably does now if you're running a mjg59-special-edition kernel
[04:29] <kingkevbo> I'm running a mighty 500MHz Celeron .... woo hoo
[04:29] <Rene_S> hypa7ia, prolly there is a nice little Korean place I get all my comp stuff at on Queen St
[04:31] <hypa7ia> Rene_S: which one?
[04:31] <hypa7ia> i got mine at canada computers
[04:31] <hypa7ia> NO WINDOZE
[04:31] <hypa7ia> :-)
[04:31] <hypa7ia> was very excited about that.
[04:31] <seek187> Anyone know where the download site is for the live cd?
[04:31] <Rene_S> hypa7ia, trying to find the card someplace, i dont go there that often so the name escapes me
[04:31] <bob2> seek187: same as the download site for the non-live cd
[04:31] <bob2> releases.ubuntu.com
[04:31] <seek187> ok thx
[04:32] <kingkevbo> Well, it's been fun, thanks again bob2 for the advice, see ya later
[04:33] <Rene_S> hypa7ia, hmm can't find the card at the moment
[04:33] <hypa7ia> no worries
[04:33] <Rene_S> hypa7ia, wife cleaned up my piles
[04:33] <The_Real_Rya> www.cleftintherock.net 24/7 Christian Rock mp3pro stream, follow directions on bottom left of page to listen in :-P
[04:34] <ben> well acpi half works
[04:34] <ben> it recognizes when it's plugged in
[04:34] <AndyFitz> problem fixed !!
[04:34] <hypa7ia> lol, we got irc-spammed
[04:34] <seek187> lol
[04:34] <AndyFitz> thaks hypa7ia, spiv
[04:35] <AndyFitz> thanks LOL
[04:35] <hypa7ia> :-)
[04:35] <scoon> anyone: how do i get a script to load at boot
[04:38] <Ruffian|JANE|> www.google.com you will find you answer there :-p
[04:38] <visor> soon: put it under /etc/init.d with +x permissions and do links to it in /etc/rc3.d /etc/rc4.d and so on
[04:39] <bob2> scoon: I told you already
[04:39] <scoon> Ruffian|JANE|: thanks for the obvious.  but I am really looking for something like rc-update in gentoo
[04:39] <scoon> visor: so that is the only way ? no runlevel editor
[04:39] <Ruffian|JANE|> ic
[04:39] <bob2> scoon: which part of my answer was confusing?
[04:39] <tseng> man update-rc.d
[04:39] <bob2> scoon: of course there is, update-rc.d, gnome-system-tools in hoary, sysv-rc-conf
[04:40] <visor> scoon: thats the "standard way" i guess
[04:40] <Rene_S> Ok i been running this xcompmgr all night and I dont see anything different
[04:42] <scoon> thatnks for all the help: but can someone tell me when /etc/inittab gets exec'd
[04:42] <bob2> scoon: during boot
[04:42] <bob2> scoon: you don't need to edit it
[04:43] <AndyFitz> okay . now xorg is being installed :)
[04:44] <AndyFitz> feels like I fixed it to uninstall it
[04:46] <hypa7ia> okay.  should i go hoary?
[04:46] <hypa7ia> i have to go do dishes anyway :-)
[04:46] <noneus> i have hoary works fine. bt one thing. dvd playback is lagging.
[04:46] <hypa7ia> oh, that doesn't bug me too much
[04:46] <RobLinux> anyone here knows the difference with Libranet and Ubuntu?
[04:47] <hypa7ia> RobLinux: different philosophy, different release cycles
[04:47] <kensai> RobLinux: Ubuntu rocks
[04:47] <hypa7ia> that too :-)
[04:47] <RobLinux> True
[04:47] <noneus> i switched from crux to ubuntu. ubuntu is easy to use and fast.
[04:47] <kensai> anyone can give me a good fstab line for my dvd rom?
[04:47] <RobLinux> What's Ubuntu Philosophy :)
[04:48] <noneus> read at ubuntulinux.org
[04:48] <RobLinux> I'm going to the website dont worry ;)
[04:48] <kensai> RobLinux: everythiong is free and will stay free
[04:48] <bob2> kensai: you don't need one
[04:48] <kensai> bob2: why?
[04:48] <hypa7ia> RobLinux: ubuntu is an Nguni wrord meaning "humanity towards others"
[04:48] <scoon> so, inittab exec order anyone ?
[04:48] <RobLinux> ya
[04:48] <bob2> scoon: what are you trying to do?
[04:49] <bob2> scoon: you don't ever need to edit inittab
[04:49] <kensai> bob2: cdrom has a line in fstab
[04:49] <hypa7ia> and you can prolly see that the community is pretty friendly :-)
[04:49] <noneus> i have a question to ubuntu-calendar. is there every month an update for a new wallpaper?
[04:49] <bob2> kensai: gnome-volume-manager will handle it
[04:49] <bob2> noneus: yes
[04:49] <kensai> bob2: so i just put a dvd and magic it starts?
[04:49] <noneus> i use alsamixer anyway. i don't like gnome-mixer
[04:49] <RobLinux> Ubuntu can use other windows manager? kde, xfce ?
[04:49] <bob2> kensai: you don't need to mount it to play it
[04:49] <noneus> kensai, that's it.
[04:49] <bob2> RobLinux: yes, but they're not supported
[04:50] <Rene_S> Friendly, You can all rot in eternal damnation
[04:50] <noneus> RobLinux, Yes but ubuntu installs gnome by default.
[04:50] <bob2> kensai: when you install it, totem will start
[04:50] <noneus> totem is one shitty appication. that totem-gstreamer never worked here.
[04:50] <Rene_S> hypa7ia, beats throwing a fry pan at me
[04:51] <bob2> it works fine, but it won't play your pirated movies or mp3
[04:51] <bob2> or dvds
[04:51] <hypa7ia> lol Rene_S
[04:51] <kensai> noneus: hehe it is totem sucks
[04:51] <hypa7ia> now bob2, many of my mp3's are perfectly legal
[04:51] <kensai> noneus: mplayer rules
[04:51] <hypa7ia> at least 10% of them :-)
[04:52] <Rene_S> gxine does a better job of front ending than that totem thing
[04:52] <bob2> scoon: what are you trying to do?
[04:52] <RobLinux> bob2: their not support meaning no support if something doesnt work or  ?
[04:52] <bob2> or are you doing some sort of bizarro gentoo mind-game-troll?
[04:52] <RobLinux> bob2: yes I know I used it before gnome is default :) I was here before I dont know if anyone remembers me
[04:52] <bob2> RobLinux: only things in the "supported" section of ubuntu gets security updates, etc
[04:53] <RobLinux> bob2: got'cha
[04:53] <bob2> RobLinux: lots and lots more stuff is in universe, but it doesn't get security updates until the next release
[04:53] <memer> uh-oh. trying to try ubuntu...got the disc in but it seems to be hanging at "loading module ide-cd"  for the last. like, 10 mins?
[04:53] <bob2> memer: sure the cd burnt ok?
[04:53] <hypa7ia> memer: livecd or install?
[04:53] <ryan> bob2: in other words, totem doesn't work for anything useful ;)
[04:53] <RobLinux> anyone knows if i can run it via vmware ?
[04:54] <bob2> RobLinux: ubuntu?  sure...
[04:54] <bob2> there are some notes in the wiki about it
[04:54] <memer> hm. right. y'know, ive never had a problem with that as i do it on my wife's mac (which i think has a checker built in or something. could be talkin out by a** tho).  this is the install disc
[04:54] <RobLinux> ya cool
[04:54] <Rene_S> A viewmaster has a better chance of working than totem
[04:55] <memer> uh, is there  a quickie tutorial on how to check the burn? *ducks as he surfs to ubuntu site*
[04:55] <hypa7ia> does upgrading to hoary break anything?
[04:55] <RobLinux> I'm gonna run it on my laptop which is fast .. right now i'm on my linux box (im a newbie) by the way... and im dual-booting here on my desktop celeron 634mhz 256mbsdram 20gb Yoper & Libranet ... my laptop is amd athlon xp-m 2800+ 768mb ddr 30gb so it should better :)
[04:55] <Rene_S> Depends, didnt break anything on mine
[04:55] <WW> Hello world.
[04:55] <Rene_S> But I use a real computer
[04:55] <tseng> Rene_S: you should see the restricted media page on the wiki before spreading a bunch of FUD
[04:55] <hypa7ia> Rene_S: :-p
[04:56] <bob2> memer: "md5sum /dev/hdc" or so
[04:56] <bob2> Rene_S: please try to stay helpful
[04:56] <hypa7ia> all i care about as far as breakage goes is evolution and firefox
[04:56] <Rene_S> tseng, I did, and I tryed actually using it, it doesnt play anything on my comp ever,  Just hangs
[04:56] <WW> A quick poll for the channel regulars: What are the top five most frequently asked questions here?  ("What is the root password?" is already on the list!)
[04:57] <tseng> WW: luckily there is also an faq on the wiki (see topic)
[04:57] <memer> bob2: um, i've found the page with the checksum things, but not sure what to do with it. i'm on a windows computer right now, btw. do i have to go back to my wife's mac where i burned it?
[04:57] <ryan> i've had totem playing useful things before
[04:57] <ryan> but its not very reliable
[04:57] <memer> (mdsums)
[04:57] <tseng> memer: you can compare your md5sum with the one on the mirror
[04:57] <tseng> for that cd image
[04:57] <ryan> i was hoping to be able to just view the online clips and such without hassle but that is unfortunately not possible with totem in the least
[04:57] <tseng> memer: if they are not identical, you have corrupted image or media
[04:58] <bob2> WW: "I broke my X config file, how do I get it back"
[04:58] <memer> how do i nkow what md5sum is on the disc?
[04:58] <WW> tseng: Yup, but I'm curious what about which ones are really the _most_ frequently asked.
[04:58] <bob2> memer: there's a md5sum.exe program for windows
[04:58] <Rene_S> tseng, it wont even allow me to load a file or anything it just loads the nice gui and freezes so my remark about the viewmaster is valid, in my experience.
[04:58] <bob2> memer: don't know if it can check the actual cd tho
[04:58] <tseng> WW: those are really
[04:58] <memer> oh, cool. thanks, i'll give it a whirl
[04:58] <memer> oh.
[04:58] <bob2> ryan: not with totem-xine?
[04:58] <tseng> Rene_S: not in mine, so i hope you are trying to file useful bug reports
[04:59] <ryan> bob2: totem-xine was the one that was hit and miss
[04:59] <kensai> bob2: It does not started my dvd
[04:59] <ryan> bob2: gstreamer has never worked at all for me, with totem
[04:59] <ryan> bob2: video-wise
[04:59] <Rene_S> tseng, I will, and I will try and keep my viewmaster comment out of it :)
[04:59] <bob2> kensai: computer -> desktop -> removable media
[04:59] <tseng> gstreamer only currently supports fairly open and well known codecs
[04:59] <bob2> kensai: is it enabled?
[04:59] <bob2> kensai: do you havea working dvd player installed?
[05:00] <tseng> unfortunately there isnt a lot of good open source support for windows media and the like
[05:00] <AndyFitz> w00t!! 320x240 ubuntu gnome
[05:00] <ryan> AndyFitz: that sounds hot.
[05:00] <bob2> ryan: yeah, it only plays a very limited number of video formats
[05:00] <bob2> tseng: they can all use windows dlls on i386
[05:00] <ryan> bob2: have they ever considered using mplayer as the backend instead
[05:00] <tseng> bob2: gstreamer can?
[05:00] <ryan> or is there just huge legal issues
[05:00] <bob2> ryan: no way
[05:00] <kensai> bob2: nope it doesn't appear there as I don't have an fstab line for it
[05:00] <bob2> tseng: no, not gstreamer
[05:00] <tseng> right
[05:00] <AndyFitz> http://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/gtkrc   - small modification to the gtkrc and  the gnome font properties and its sweet
[05:00] <bob2> kensai: ignore fstab
[05:01] <kensai> bob2: OK
[05:01] <bob2> tseng: the dlls are not distributable anyway, ubuntu can never ship them
[05:01] <kensai> bob2: i'll keep trying thanks
[05:01] <ryan> so whats wrong with mplayer
[05:01] <ryan> it ..works
[05:01] <bob2> ryan: mplayer is a huge bucket of legal problems
[05:01] <Protege61894> I need help installing some drivers. Specifically Nvidia NFORCE and ATI Radeon 9600 drivers.
[05:01] <bob2> Protege61894: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:01] <ryan> bob2: but only in certain countries, no?
[05:01] <Protege61894> ty
[05:01] <bob2> kensai: you don't see anything about dvds drives in that config box?
[05:01] <AndyFitz> all menu's panels and toolbars with 16x16 pixel icons  . makes it look like a PDA could run gnome easily
[05:02] <bob2> ryan: yes, but the patents are actively enforced
[05:02] <ryan> ah
[05:03] <AndyFitz> yet I can't take a screenshot. for somereason its nolonger in the computer menu and when  I use the panel screenshot applet  I get an error " cannot execute gnome-screenshot'
[05:03] <tseng> AndyFitz: its moving to gnome-utils
[05:03] <tseng> AndyFitz: but that module hasnt been released yet
[05:03] <tseng> it will be back soon
[05:03] <nomasteryoda> ryan: it will continue to be used by the community though, as it's the only really functional choice  =)
[05:03] <hypa7ia> to confirm, ati binary drivers are broken with xorg right?  so i should hold it backif going to hoary?
[05:04] <bob2> well, someone claimed it worked today
[05:04] <AndyFitz> tseng.  thanks for the info I can wait
[05:04] <bob2> but I was sure daniel said it wouldn't
[05:04] <tseng> AndyFitz: gimp can take screenshots in the meantime
[05:04] <tseng> hypa7ia: last i checked ati binary drivers conflicted with xorg > 6.8
[05:04] <bob2> or "import -window root" from imagemagick
[05:04] <tseng> hypa7ia: but the ati oss driver is very good these days
[05:05] <tseng> has decent 3d support with dri on my card
[05:05] <AndyFitz> thanks tseng, I always thought it was funny that gnome-panel was the package that handled screenshots
[05:05] <hypa7ia> tseng: should i then just remove fglrx before going to hoary?
[05:06] <tseng> AndyFitz: i also like a package called scrot
[05:06] <tseng> hypa7ia: sounds like a decent plan
[05:06] <tseng> hypa7ia: change "Driver" back to "ati"
[05:06] <hypa7ia> ahh yes
[05:06] <Rene_S> Odd I wonder why they removed the services-admin tool out of the gnome sytem tools
[05:06] <bob2> "they" = "gnome system tools upstream"
[05:06] <bob2> and "they" reenabled it recently
[05:07] <memer> ok, thanks guys. i went back and checked the md5sums and it seems to be waay off from what it should be. bloody hell.  any tricks to avoid that, or is it just luck o the draw?
[05:07] <bob2> burning at a slower speed often helps
[05:07] <Rene_S> how recently because as far as i can see i have all the updates till 7pm est and I can not find em
[05:07] <tseng> memer: also confirm that the iso you are burning from the is whole thing
[05:07] <bob2> Rene_S: it's enabled in the version in hoary
[05:07] <tseng> memer: and matches the md5.. otherwise download/rsync it again
[05:08] <memer> bob2, tseng, many thanks.
[05:08] <Rene_S> Cannot display location 'file://service-admin'
[05:08] <Rene_S> Details: The specified location is invalid.
[05:12] <memer> uh, just before i burn this again, what's a recommended 'safe' speed for burning? 8x?
[05:13] <tseng> memer: depends on your burner, but 8x sounds pretty safe if youre in no hurry
[05:13] <Rotund> you don't have burnproof on your burner?
[05:13] <memer> burnproof? it seems to go up to 16x speed
[05:14] <RobLinux> when are other window manager gonna be supported with ubuntu?
[05:17] <Rotund> RobLinux: Supported, never.  available, already
[05:17] <Rotund> that's my guess at least
[05:18] <bob2> please don't make statements like that unless you're sure :-)
[05:20] <Rene_S> The sky is falling !!! The sky is falling !!!
[05:21] <Protege61894> i keep getting a   No precompiled kernel interface was found to match your kernel; this means
[05:21] <Protege61894>   that the installer will need to compile a new kernel interface.
[05:21] <Protege61894> when i try to install nvidia drivers
[05:21] <nomasteryoda> it is all the time
[05:21] <Rotund> Okay.  I'll reword it.  This distro is heavily geared toward GNOME.  My guess is they will stick with the one that currently best supports GNOME.
[05:21] <bob2> Protege61894: read the instructions again...
[05:21] <bob2> Protege61894: you need to install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[05:21] <bob2> (dunno if the wiki says that or not)
[05:21] <Rotund> bob2: is that better?
[05:22] <bob2> heh, yeah :)
[05:22] <Protege61894> bob2: sudo: nvidia-glx-config: command not found
[05:23] <bob2> erm, that's weird
[05:23] <bob2> I hope some idiot hasn't modified the wiki to only work with hoary
[05:23] <bob2> erm, "hlepful soul"
[05:23] <Rotund> okay.  gstreamer has issues keeping the audio and video from a wmv synced
[05:23] <Rotund> Yet mplayer and gxine (which both use ffmpeg to decode it, I believe) do fine
[05:24] <bob2> gstreamer can play wmv at all?
[05:24] <Rotund> bob2: w/ gst-ffmpeg it can
[05:24] <bob2> ah
[05:24] <Rotund> and I think you need w32codecs
[05:24] <bob2> yeah
[05:25] <Rotund> ftp://cipherfunk.org/pub/packages/ubuntu/, warty, main
[05:25] <bob2> sounds like a bug in gstreamer, I think they use the gnome bugzilla now?
[05:25] <Xenguy> hello all - still struggling with pppoe on a new Ubu install...
[05:25] <Rotund> yeah.  I'll probably try to look into it a bit more
[05:25] <bob2> Xenguy: I thought you fixed it?
[05:25] <Rotund> find other things that would render via ffmpeg and see how they do
[05:25] <Xenguy> bob2: no, that was someone else; my problem remains...
[05:26] <bob2> Xenguy: you removed them both from /etc/network/interfaces and pon still didn't work?
[05:27] <Xenguy> bob2: I am not sure I actually have a 'pppoe' package installed :-/  pppoeconfig *is* installed tho -- my question: do others here have any "*pppoe*" packages installed (e.g. rp-pppoe, or pppoe, or ... ?)  ?
[05:27] <Xenguy> what does Ubu use for pppoe by default - Roaring Penguins software?
[05:28] <Drago> anyone wouldn't know about building the zc030x webcamera driver from the cvs under ubuntu would they?
[05:28] <bob2> Xenguy: yes
[05:28] <bob2> Xenguy: install it then
[05:28] <Xenguy> bob2: what is the package name for that then?
[05:28] <bob2> pppoe
[05:29] <bob2> or maybe it uses the kernel one now
[05:29] <Xenguy> bob2: hrm, I believe I tried to install that, but I got an error of some kind -- I will try again to make sure
[05:29] <bob2> ok
[05:30] <punkass> any one running the quake2 package?
[05:30] <RobLinux> bob2: how much gb should i have for ubuntu via vmware?
[05:30] <bob2> RobLinux: to install you need 1.8GB of disk or so
[05:30] <Xenguy> RobLinux: you need 1.8-2Gb for just Ubu AFAIK
[05:30] <bob2> go 2GB to be safe
[05:30] <Xenguy> heh
[05:31] <Xenguy> biab then
[05:31] <RobLinux> default is 4, i put 6 just incase
[05:35] <noneus> hey guys
[05:35] <noneus> i have a problem with mldonkey
[05:35] <noneus> when i change allowed_ips mldonkey sets this var to its default after every start
[05:43] <tom_> how can i see the log of exactly what appeared on the screen during bootup
[05:44] <tseng> the kernel log can been seen by running dmesg
[05:44] <tom_> tseng ty does that show exactly all the init boot messages as shown on the screen?
[05:45] <crimsun> tom_: change BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=No to BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=Yes in /etc/default/bootlogd
[05:45] <tom_> crimsun ty
[05:47] <Se7h> man
[05:47] <Se7h> im stillwith this wierdo problem
[05:48] <tom_> any short solutions to the Device 'i823650' does not have a release() function, it is broken and must be fixed
[05:50] <Rene_S> yeah uninstall pcmcia-cs
[05:50] <hypa7ia> pcmcia_cs, no?
[05:50] <bob2> no package in debian or ubuntu has _ in the name
[05:53] <tom_> so that is loaded by default by ubuntu even though i have no pcmcia on my desktop pc?
[05:54] <bob2> it shouldn'e
[05:54] <bob2> but sometimes it can't tell
[05:54] <tom_> bob2 ok ty guys
[05:54] <bob2> like on my ibook
[05:55] <Rene_S> or something to that effect
[05:55] <Rene_S> I dont memorize 10 000 package names
[05:55] <tom_> ok thats removed
[05:56] <Rene_S> try rebooting
[05:56] <Rene_S> if i am wrong you can sue me
[05:56] <tom_> rene_s yep will just do that bootlog change and give it a run
[05:58] <Xenguy> bob2: here's what I found out about 'pppoe' package...
[05:58] <Xenguy> bob2: synaptic sees only 'pppoeconf' -- no 'pppoe'...
[05:58] <Se7h> ./setup.sh: line 88: /home/seth/.setup21082: Permission denied
[05:58] <Se7h> The setup program seems to have failed on x86/glibc-2.1
[05:58] <Se7h> can anyone help on this ?
[05:59] <Xenguy> bob2: apt-cache search pppoe  <- lists only pppeoconf...
[05:59] <bob2> well, it's in universe
[05:59] <bob2> Se7h: what are you trying to do?
[05:59] <Se7h> in this case
[05:59] <Se7h> install a game
[05:59] <Se7h> but it gives me that
[06:00] <Se7h> each time i try to run a .run file
[06:00] <bob2> .run is meaningless
[06:00] <thoreauputic> Xenguy: that would be because pppoe is pulled in by pppoeconf (apt-cache depends pppoeconf)
[06:00] <bob2> tho in this case it seems to be a shell script
[06:00] <bob2> Se7h: is /home mounte noexec or user?
[06:01] <Xenguy> bob2: dpkg -l *pppoe*  <- gives 'pppoe' [ un   pppoe   <none>   (no desc. avail.)]  and pppoeconf [ ii   pppoeconf   1.0.8ubuntu2  <description>]
[06:01] <bob2> Xenguy: ok...
[06:01] <thoreauputic> *sigh*
[06:01] <Se7h> le' me check
[06:01] <bob2> thoreauputic: if apt-cache search doesn't see it, it can't be pulled in as a dependency
[06:01] <noneus> hi there. my mldonkey stinks. i've set allowed_ips too the right value. but i still cannot connect from my laptop.
[06:01] <Xenguy> bob2: also I see some reference to rp-pppoe.so on boot up (something about Roaring Penguin's stuff)...
[06:02] <Se7h> dam
[06:02] <thoreauputic> bob2: well it's in apt-cache depends pppoeconf
[06:02] <Se7h> i cant remember the file
[06:02] <Rene_S> If your donkey stinks can i suggest some Dove, it smells nice and has 1/4 moisterizing cream :)
[06:02] <seek187> does nautilus always take a year preparing to write a cd before it actualy writes the disk?
[06:02] <thoreauputic> bob2: however, I'm using sarge so I guess it could differ
[06:02] <Xenguy> thoreauputic: I'm trying to verify that I actually have pppoe installed
[06:03] <bob2> thoreauputic: yes
[06:03] <thoreauputic> Xenguy: what does `type pppoe`  say?
[06:03] <bob2> Xenguy: if "dpkg -l pppoe" doesn't list it, it's not installed
[06:03] <Xenguy> bob2: so I guess I'm left wondering if I need package 'pppoe', and if so, how I can get it?
[06:03] <bob2> Xenguy: if you need it, it's in universe, which (of course, haha) requires network access
[06:04] <Xenguy> thoreauputic: I'm in debian now (for net connectivity); I can only check questions like that if I disconnect, then reboot into Ubu :-)
[06:04] <Xenguy> bob2: heh
[06:04] <Xenguy> catch-22
[06:04] <bob2> it only needs libc and ppp installed, tho
[06:04] <thoreauputic> Xenguy: ah - sorry I jumped in ignorantly - I'll stfu :)
[06:04] <Xenguy> bob2: should I re-install I wonder (why wasn't it installed to begin with)
[06:05] <Xenguy> thoreauputic: all input is appreciated actually :-)
[06:05] <bob2> Xenguy: well, since it wasn't installed by default, I suspect it's not neccessary, but I have no other idea
[06:05] <bob2> I've never setup dsl on a linux machine before, so I'm just guessing
[06:06] <Xenguy> bob2: does synaptic for example show you 'pppoe' as installed?
[06:06] <Xenguy> oh
[06:06] <bob2> I do not have it installed
[06:06] <Xenguy> Does anyone here who uses DSL/pppoe have package 'pppoe' show up in synaptic?
[06:07] <bob2> hrm, weirdly, it says it needs ppp or pppoe
[06:07] <bob2> what error do you get in your logs when you run "pon"?
[06:07] <Rene_S> noneus, If your donkey stinks try some Dove. it smells nice and has 1/4 Moisterizing creme  :)
[06:07] <hypa7ia> i have pppoeconf and pppoe
[06:08] <Xenguy> hypa7ia: this is warty then, and from a CD install ?
[06:08] <Xenguy> bob2: I'll check the logs next time I try 'pon' then
[06:08] <hypa7ia> yuppers Xenguy
[06:08] <hypa7ia> pppoeconf is in main, even
[06:09] <hypa7ia> have you tried the network setup tool?
[06:09] <Xenguy> OK, so I think there is something foobar'd with my install somehow :-/
[06:09] <Xenguy> hypa7ia: pppoeconf, yep (but if pppoe is not showing up, that explains why the config ain't working ;-)
[06:10] <hypa7ia> pppoe is in universe i think
[06:10] <Xenguy> damn, Ubu looks so promising -- I just want to get on the Net with it ;-)
[06:10] <hypa7ia> at least it doesn'thave the littleubu symbol next to it
[06:11] <Xenguy> hypa7ia: wha? If pppoe is in universe, does that mean it is not on the CD?  (But that would make no sense)
[06:11] <bob2> yes
[06:11] <Xenguy> Are there any 'universe' packages on the install CD then?
[06:11] <tom_> well that was a cleaner boot
[06:11] <bob2> if you look at the dependencies of pppoeconf, it says it needs a recent version of ppp or pppoe
[06:12] <bob2> Xenguy: no
[06:12] <AndyFitz> 400x300 gnome : http://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/shot01.png  http://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/shot02.png  http://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/shot03.png
[06:12] <Rene_S> tom_, did that solve your issue ?
[06:12] <Xenguy> bob2: I am now officially confused
[06:12] <tom_> rene_s i no longer get one of the eroors yes ty but i still have some more
[06:12] <Xenguy> bob2: I don't understand - are you saying that pppoe is not on the install CD?
[06:13] <Rene_S> tom_,  yeah i get em too, mostly related to laptop stuff
[06:13] <tom_> crimsun i chnaged that setting for bootlog .... where do i look now for the messages that are displayed?
[06:13] <supos> Xenguy: ppp troubles?
[06:13] <Xenguy> supos: yes
[06:13] <bob2> Xenguy: yes, I'm almost certain of that
[06:13] <crimsun> tom_: /var/log/boot*
[06:13] <bob2> I'll check
[06:13] <Xenguy> bob2: tx
[06:14] <supos> hold on a sec, I saw something about that in a review
[06:14] <Rene_S> tom_,  when i get a new install i normally take out pcmcia, raid, evms, and mdadm
[06:14] <hypa7ia> oh, yup, ppp was there
[06:14] <Xenguy> supos: tx a lot
[06:14] <hypa7ia> is there.  in main.
[06:14] <Rene_S> tom_,  and ppp stuff because I am a cable user
[06:14] <tom_> i will learn rene but slowly lol
[06:14] <supos> Xenguy: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=8407&page=4
[06:14] <Xenguy> supos: how is anyone connecting via pppoe if that package is not on the install CD - that makes no sense to me
[06:14] <tom_> i use adsl
[06:15] <Xenguy> tom_: do you use pppoe ?
[06:15] <Rene_S> then dont play with the ppp or ppoe stuff
[06:15] <supos> Xenguy: that is a review of the preview relaese, but the issues may remain
[06:15] <bob2> Xenguy: right, pppoe is not on the cd
[06:15] <supos> isn't pppconfig on the cd?
[06:15] <bob2> supos: it is
[06:16] <bob2> see, this makes me think you just need ppp
[06:16] <Xenguy> supos: yes
[06:16] <thoreauputic> supos: pppconfig is for dialup, I think - pppoeconf is a different matter
[06:16] <supos> Xenguy: and that won't do the trick?
[06:17] <supos> oh sorry then - I just assumed it was the same
[06:17] <tom_> crimsun no luck on that file .....
[06:17] <supos> Never mind me then :)
[06:17] <bob2> Xenguy: ok, just pppoeconf on a default system should work
[06:17] <bob2> ie without pppoe
[06:17] <Xenguy> supos: well so far I haven't been able to connect, but it could be another unknown issue -- I had thought maybe it was the fact that pppoe wasn't installed on my system
[06:17] <tom_> i just checked bootlogd again and the yes is ok
[06:17] <Xenguy> bob2: ahhh
[06:19] <Xenguy> bob2: so you have it on good authority that I don't need pppoe to get connected to the net via a default install, yes?
[06:20] <bob2> the pppoe package, yes
[06:20] <tom_> Xenguy i am on a router/modem so no i dont need pppoe on my pc as such
[06:20] <wasabi_> so where can I order a boxed copy of ubuntu? :)
[06:21] <hypa7ia> wasabi_: no boxes yet, but pressed cds at http://shipit.ubuntulinux.com
[06:21] <wasabi_> yeah already got some.
[06:21] <Xenguy> wasabi_: Yer too late for the free ones AFAIK, but perhaps there are commercial alternatives?
[06:22] <wasabi_> Just, when I feel like it's worht it, I tend to put money down for it. ;)
[06:22] <hypa7ia> no, they're still shipping out the free ones
[06:22] <Witigonen> Hey all.  I have a pretty basic question about grub.
[06:22] <Xenguy> bob2: thanks for clearing up this issue - now I just have to figure out what the real problem is :-)
[06:22] <Witigonen> So, I've got an XP install on an IDE drive when my primary drive is SATA.  So, its (hd0,0).  What's my IDE drive, then?
[06:23] <Rene_S> Basic answers, Yes, No, Maybe
[06:23] <wasabi_> Witigonen, for grub, it should be hd1
[06:23] <wasabi_> grub is numbered consecutively
[06:23] <bob2> Witigonen: windows doesn't like booting off anything but the first disk
[06:23] <Witigonen> bob2, in Windows' view, it is the first disk since it doesnt' recognize the SATA drive without third-party drivers.
[06:23] <wasabi_> bob2, first disk on any given controller.
[06:23] <Xenguy> hypa7ia: shipping yes, but stopped taking orders for free delivery on the 11th or 12th (check the web site, maybe there is still time, but the deadline is like *now*)
[06:24] <wasabi_> well, somehow it works with sata.;)
[06:24] <bob2> Witigonen: hah
[06:24] <crimsun> tom_: see the bottom response here: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=232569
[06:24] <bob2> wasabi_: hrm, ok
[06:24] <bob2> long time since I'vae had windows installed
[06:24] <wasabi_> bob2, yeah, im not 100% what the rules are anymore.
[06:24] <wasabi_> But somehow it will boot off a secondary Sata controller
[06:25] <neighborlee> just wondering have their been any updates in last two weeks or so ...synaptic isn't showing ( just ran mark all upgrades) anything to 'apply' so I wanted to verify...??
[06:25] <wasabi_> hit refresh in synaptic.
[06:26] <tom_> crimsun ty looks like it dioesn't work here the
[06:26] <tom_> *then
[06:26] <hypa7ia> oh, Xenguy, i stand corrected.  i ordered mine like a week ago :-)
[06:27] <tom_> crimsun just have to get a 6 foot high monitor ;-)
[06:27] <bob2> neighborlee: warty only gets updates for security fixes
[06:28] <neighborlee> bob2, oh ok
[06:29] <jwagler> Anyone know if you can install from the live cd?
[06:30] <gardion_> Hello, anyone know if you can boot of the live cd?
[06:31] <bob2> jwagler: no, you can't
[06:31] <bob2> gardion_: yes, that's kinda the point
[06:31] <neighborlee> sigh...okay this is weird..trying to run ( just installed latest firefox 1.0 ) firefox and its bringing up a 2x4 window saying: title="&mainWindow.title;"_________________________^ < ??? ;-))sigh
[06:31] <bob2> restart firefox
[06:31] <neighborlee> tried with no effect
[06:31] <neighborlee> only way it works is as root
[06:31] <neighborlee> which is kinda bad LOL
[06:31] <bob2> does it work for other users?
[06:32] <neighborlee> not sure other than root
[06:32] <bob2> are you sure you restarted it completely?
[06:32] <Rene_S> Firefox 1.0 works fine for me
[06:32] <neighborlee> no other users here than root atm anyway
[06:32] <neighborlee> 7yes
[06:32] <jwagler> So then the live cd is only meant as a demo
[06:32] <bob2> jwagler: yes
[06:32] <neighborlee> bob2, its been doing it but I thought installing the latest firefox would have fixed it
[06:33] <thoreauputic> neighborlee: did you install it as root? you don't need to you know ( I assume you used the mozilla.org installer)
[06:33] <dstahan> Are the nvidia drivers easy to install for ubuntu?
[06:33] <tom_> i will try rebooting and see if i can catcha a glimpse of what its objecting to
[06:33] <neighborlee> thoreauputic, I hope I didn't LOL...yeah I used the installer
[06:34] <mbb> just noticed my laptop (hoary), been sitting unused for a couple of hours - hard drive activity every few seconds. What would that be?
[06:35] <bob2> mbb: disk syncing
[06:35] <bob2> neighborlee: you installed it as root?
[06:35] <neighborlee> thoreauputic, to be safe i'll reinstall
[06:35] <neighborlee> bob2, if I did it certainly was not on purpose :(
[06:35] <bob2> reinstall firefox, right?
[06:35] <neighborlee> yes
[06:35] <Rene_S> Hmmm my wife hasnt stopped by any of your houses has she ?
[06:35] <wasabi_> I seem to be unable to get libpng12-dev installed. It seems to want to downgrade libpng12-0.
[06:36] <thoreauputic> Rene_S: yeah she's right here and says hi ;)
[06:36] <KingShawn> i think im bout to check out ubuntu guys
[06:36] <neighborlee> KingShawn, kewl ;-=)
[06:36] <KingShawn> it better then redhat?
[06:36] <KingShawn> ;P
[06:36] <Rene_S> thoreauputic, keep her, she's fired
[06:37] <neighborlee> KingShawn, heh well..IMNSHO..'yes'
[06:37] <thoreauputic> Rene_S: heheh
[06:37] <KingShawn> whats that mean?
[06:37] <mbb> bob2: thanks. is there a way to stop that, other than hibernate/suspend (which doesn't work well on this old machine)?
[06:37] <neighborlee> KingShawn, I could give you a raft of reasons why but that would be crude LOL ( PM me if you want some)
[06:37] <KingShawn> i want some reasons
[06:37] <KingShawn> im curious before i install
[06:37] <bitserf> interesting...xorg with drop shadows is slower on my radeon 9600xt than it is with the onboard i810 at work :)
[06:38] <neighborlee> KingShawn, well one I dont feel bad giving you is I never found it completely stable...
[06:38] <mbb> bob2: and, if it's not too deep a subject, what is actually being done by disk syncing?
[06:38] <KingShawn> ya its not stable already
[06:38] <neighborlee> KingShawn, which to no surprise really as its a testbed of sorts for RHEE
[06:38] <KingShawn> only been using it for 1 day
[06:38] <KingShawn> Redhat*
[06:38] <KingShawn> i mean its stable to an extent
[06:38] <Gmail> neighborlee: delete your profile
[06:38] <Gmail> neighborlee: if you want to back up your password i'll tell ya which files they are
[06:39] <KingShawn> but as for windows crashing etc
[06:39] <Gmail> neighborlee: delete your profile
[06:39] <Gmail> neighborlee: if you want to back up your password i'll tell ya which files they are
[06:39] <Gmail> am i online??
[06:39] <neighborlee> KingShawn, and I really dont much like 'yum
[06:39] <bob2> mbb: hdparm -S20 /dev/hda (or whatever)
[06:39] <bob2> Gmail: duh
[06:39] <Gmail> neighborlee: delete your profile
[06:39] <Gmail> neighborlee: if you want to back up your password i'll tell ya which files they are
[06:39] <bob2> Gmail: stop it
[06:39] <Gmail> sorry if flooded the same message a few times
[06:39] <thoreauputic> Gmail: that's 3 times...
[06:39] <Gmail> bob2: sorry my connnection stuffed up
[06:40] <Gmail> and i resent it not sure if it will send
[06:40] <bob2> mbb: when programs write data out, the kernel doesn't actually write it to disk straight away, it just stores it in memory...I meant to say flushing, which is when the kernel writes out all those stored bits so they're actually on the disk
[06:40] <neighborlee> Gmail, i've tried that ( profile erasure) but it doesn't seem to matter....
[06:40] <Rene_S> Wanted : New Wife, must know how to tell time ....
[06:41] <neighborlee> bob2, k I just reinstalled as regular user and still it does that ....shrug dunno ...is anyone else seeing this ? ;(
[06:41] <Gmail> neighborlee: i had that same error when i upgraded firefox and they told me to delete my whole .mozilla folder and it helped
[06:41] <daculas> anyone tried install ubuntu from the harddisk here?
[06:41] <mbb> bob2: thanks2. (man hdparm coming up...) This happens even tho the machine has not done anything for a couple of hours, eh? What would be an example of what it needs to write?
[06:42] <bob2> mbb: I'm not sure
[06:42] <daculas> I want to ask some question about loop device, help?
[06:42] <bob2> just ask
[06:42] <bob2> mbb: the -S option controls how often it gets written out
[06:42] <bob2> iirc
[06:43] <neighborlee> Gmail, hmm lemme try that then
[06:43] <daculas> ok, first I boot from grub using vmlinz and initrd extracted from the iso
[06:43] <Gmail> oh crap am i still online?
[06:44] <bob2> Gmail: stop it
[06:44] <bob2> are you capable of not being annoying?
[06:44] <daculas> goes to the mini shell
[06:44] <Xenguy> hypa7ia: I ordered 10 just under the deadline wire -- wonder if they'll arrive before Xmas ? :-)
[06:44] <Gmail> bob2: i am having mager connections problems huge lag...
[06:44] <neighborlee> Gmail, whew ...thx that did the trick..whoda thunk poor .mozilla was getting in the way LOL
[06:44] <Gmail> neighborlee: np
[06:44] <neighborlee> Gmail, makes no sense as firefox should be using its OWN prefs file but hey..main thing is its working ;-)))heh
[06:45] <daculas> mount the partition where iso located. but when I tried to mount iso file with mount -o loop command. ERROR appear!
[06:45] <bob2> daculas: sudo modprobe loop
[06:46] <daculas> mount : could not find any device /dev/loop
[06:46] <daculas> so that modprobe will install the loop device for me, right?
[06:47] <bob2> it will load the module, and then udev will create the device nodes
[06:48] <daculas> maybe that's why I can not find loop device, it wasn't be created. I just trid to create by myself, sure failed.
[06:48] <bob2> yes, you need to load the module
[06:48] <daculas> I will test it, thanks, bob!
[06:49] <noneus> wow mldonkey remote adiminstration really rocks
[06:49] <stuNNed> any ideas why java plugin takes so long to load?
[06:49] <crimsun> stuNNed: java 1.4?
[06:49] <desp> hello
[06:49] <stuNNed> crimsun, yes
[06:49] <Gmail> hmm when will real player upgrade to version 10 it still on version 8 and that 3 years old
[06:49] <crimsun> stuNNed: java 1.5 loads _much_ faster
[06:49] <noneus> i have 1.5 and ni problems.
[06:50] <desp> can someone tell my why the application icons in the workspace switcher disappear when I'm using certain themes?
[06:50] <stuNNed> crimsun, noneus: how can i get 1.5 is there a .deb somewhere?
[06:50] <crimsun> stuNNed: not yet.
[06:50] <stuNNed> crimsun, noneus: is this blackdown or sun?
[06:50] <crimsun> Sun.
[06:50] <noneus> desp, because the theme don't have these specific app-icons
[06:50] <crimsun> IBM's port of 1.5 will be out next year.
[06:50] <stuNNed> crimsun, did you install just the jre?
[06:50] <noneus> stuNNed, sun
[06:51] <stuNNed> noneus, ok thanks