[00:03] <mayko> I reinstalled lubuntu bt still can't get the mic to work - here is the alsareport if it is helpful : http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=306da35832559ecef3fa9c71022caa96728fbc09
[00:03] <mayko> can someone help me? I've been trying things all day
[00:20] <Unit193> Well, typically pulse supports more.
[00:22] <mayko> supports more what?
[00:23] <Unit193> Devices, worth a shot I'd think.
[00:26] <mayko> How does one add more devices to pulse? and which device?
[00:28] <Unit193> !pulse
[00:50] <mayko> :(
[01:16] <robinds> hihi - first time lubuntuer - My wireless is always disabled at startup. How do I set it to be enabled at default?
[01:22] <sharkmap> hi, I am trying to get my wireless card to work. but I don
[01:22] <sharkmap> t see any way to enter my password?
[01:23] <robinds> sharkmap: have you right-clicked on the icon and enabled network and wireless_
[01:23] <robinds> ?
[01:25] <sharkmap> robinds, I wish I could, but in my ignorance, I removed it before I knew I would need it
[01:25] <sharkmap> I added a network status icon, but that doesn't do it
[01:25] <robinds> you can right-clilck on the panel and add the networking application
[01:26] <sharkmap> i will try that right now!
[01:26] <robinds> or go to preferences in the menu
[01:26] <sharkmap> laptop is very slow. will take a few seconds...sorry for the delay
[01:26] <robinds> under preferences there should be 'network connections'
[01:27] <sharkmap> i should say this is 10.04 because it is. sorry for not being clear before, if this is important
[01:27] <robinds> don't think so
[01:27] <robinds> just try to do as I explained
[01:29] <sharkmap> panel does not have 'networking connections', only 'network status monitor'. and under preferences, it is only 'network monitor' not connections?
[01:29] <sharkmap> sorry, network tools
[01:30] <sharkmap> tools opens, but I can't find where to put the password, or enable the wlan0
[01:30] <sharkmap> sorry I am not fluent in this yet
[01:31] <sharkmap> I should say this the wireless card works great and automatically in gnome. but you knew that, right. :-)
[01:34] <robinds> what about this network status icon you added // will right-clicking it not reveal any options?
[01:34] <sharkmap> no, it's like a panel context menu. i can select 'network status monitor settings
[01:35] <sharkmap>  but that only allows me to change from wlan0 to lo
[01:36] <sharkmap> network tools from the preferences menu lets me see the different network devices, but not enable/disable or set password.
[01:36] <phillw> sharkmap: 10.04 was only released as a beta. My personal advice is to grab 11.10, the first official release. It has the advantage of the standard ubuntu stuff for networking.
[01:36] <robinds> yes / I'm on 11.10 now / works fine
[01:37] <wxl> sharkmap: if you're left-clicking on the panel icon try right-clicking to get to enable
[01:37] <phillw> sharkmap: we do not have enough devs to backport things to 10.04, nor will 12.04 be a LTS release. simply not enough people to support all the stuff that needs doing.
[01:38] <robinds> wxl: how about my question..? How do I have wireless enabled by default? Every time I reboot I have to manually enable it..
[01:38] <wxl> well, robinds, i will admit, on 11.10 i have that problem, too
[01:38] <sharkmap> i cannot run 11.10 on my old laptop, it is 9 years old, and  10.04 was the only one that would install.
[01:38] <sharkmap> is there an 11.10 DE for 10.04 ubuntu?
[01:38] <sharkmap> 11.10 crashes before it finishes installing
[01:38] <sharkmap> oh well. is there a cli way?
[01:39] <phillw> odd, I had the opposite problem... it wanted WiFi even when ethernet was plugged in!
[01:39] <sharkmap> neither right or left clicking gets me to anything that I can put a password in
[01:39] <wxl> sharkmap: no, i meant to ENABLE wireless
[01:39] <sharkmap> there is no option to enable or disable anything
[01:40] <phillw> sharkmap: there has been testing going on for the old CPU's to run under 12.04
[01:41] <sharkmap> it says status disconnected and no way to connect.
[01:41] <sharkmap> so I should try 12.04?
[01:41] <sharkmap> no button to connect I should say
[01:41] <robinds> Too bad it's not as polished as I hoped. I really liked the idea of an ubuntu based distro with openbox
[01:42] <phillw> There is a linux kernel that is 12.04 yet still supports the "i586" chipset which lubuntu can be installed upon. but 12.04 is still beta, so it is not fully tested as of yet.
[01:42] <sharkmap> ok. I guess I will just use gnome, but it is dog slow, I like this DE
[01:44] <phillw> sharkmap: I cannot, in all honesty, ask that you install a beta system as your main system. what I can say is be patient, 12.04 is about a month and  a half away. If we can confirm the old chip set on 12.04, you will have a bang up to date system running on an old chip set. We have diverted time to that instead of trying to keep 10.04 going.
[01:45] <sharkmap> hmmm. if the default install of lxde had the applet, what if I uninstall lxde then install it again? Or, alternately, is there a way to get it back to the 'default' look
[01:45] <phillw> you can have applets if you prefer.
[01:45] <sharkmap> thanks phillw I really appreciate the help, I understand that I am using an old version, and that the new version is beta. Its cool
[01:45] <sharkmap> applets?
[01:45] <phillw> it's on the FAQ section :)
[01:46] <sharkmap> looking now!
[01:47] <sharkmap> lubuntu.com or ubuntu.com?
[01:48] <EvilResistance> sharkmap, use this link: http://tinyurl.com/LubuntuFAQ
[01:48] <EvilResistance> it'll redirect you to the FAQs
[01:52] <sharkmap> I apologize for my lack of skills here, but I am unable to see an applet called network connections. only network monitor, which is what is there already but not working
[01:52] <phillw> sharkmap: is it https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#Changing_running_applications_in_panel_to_icons_only you were looking for?
[01:53] <phillw> sharkmap: sorry, I mis understood your request
[01:53] <sharkmap> no worries. If there is an issue/bug/problem, I will find it. If I find it, it's a tough one to figure out.
[01:53] <sharkmap> when I say find it, I really mean 'step in it'
[01:54] <sharkmap> on google there was a solution called 'madwifi' but I was unable to find it in the software center.
[01:54] <lee> thanks for the help earlier, it seems to all be working now on a CF card (apart from chromium but that's not your remit), cheers!
[01:55] <phillw> sharkmap: is it a general network connection problem, or WiFi?
[01:56] <sharkmap> no, works in gnome just great.
[01:57] <phillw> lubuntu uses the standard network core
[01:57] <sharkmap> wait. I found a preferences option called 'windows wireless drivers' and that gives me a window with a button called network connections! yay!
[01:57] <sharkmap> wireless tab gives me the my ssid! yay!
[01:57] <phillw> sharkmap: :)
[01:58] <sharkmap> I added the WPA2 password, hit apply. fingers crossed!
[01:59] <sharkmap> logging out and logging back in again should work, or should I reboot?
[01:59] <phillw> log in & out should work
[02:00] <phillw> s/out and in
[02:00] <sharkmap> it didn't :-(
[02:00] <sharkmap> going back into network connections, the password is gone like I didn't put it in
[02:00] <sharkmap> the 'connect automatically' is checked'. shouldn't it ask me for the password when it tries?
[02:01] <sharkmap> I enter the info, and it doesn't save it. argh!
[02:01] <phillw> you could be on an old network programme, I'd suggest asking on http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=336 do remember to use the lubuntu tag so they know which system you are using
[02:02] <phillw> they still answer stuff about 9.10, so you should be okay :)
[02:03] <sharkmap> ok. thanks.
[02:15] <EvilResistance> phillw, isnt 9.10 EOL?
[02:15] <EvilResistance> or is my timing off?
[02:15] <EvilResistance> !9.10
[02:15] <phillw> EvilResistance: long past EOL, I still have it
[02:15] <EvilResistance> yeah i thought so
[02:16] <phillw> the borked my 3G device until 11.10, so it is my stand by system... still have it on my Cn
[02:16] <phillw> anon
[02:16] <phillw> Canonical USB device :)
[02:16] <phillw> nice little logo on it :)
[02:18] <micahg> phillw: if you have leaf applications you'd like backported, feel free to use requestbackport in ubuntu-dev-tools found in precise to request in-archive backports, the request should also let you know the burden of testing required for each thing requested
[02:21] <phillw> thanks, and with that, I'm heading for bed.... all you night owls can go test http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/208/builds all the lubuntu ones are virgins, built in the last hour or so.....
[02:38] <rawfodog> hey, how do I make my super key open the lubuntu program menu ?
[03:00] <kanliot> phillw i tested the build please explain why it's important
[03:42] <sharkmap> I got wireless to work with lubuntu 10.04 finally
[03:42] <sharkmap> thanks to all for your help!
[04:01] <rawfodog> How do I keybind the super key to the lubuntu apps menu ?
[04:03] <Unit193> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#I_want_to_bind_a_key_to_lock_my_screen.2C_how_do_I_do_it.3F Same idea.
[05:36] <lorrien3> I have a question
[05:37] <lorrien3> So...if I install lubuntu without the option third
[05:37] <lorrien3> The 3-party codec bla bla bla when installing lubuntu
[05:38] <lorrien3> What is it and what should I do to install it
[05:39] <lorrien3> oh don't worry
[05:39] <lorrien3> I found
[05:39] <lorrien3> bue bue
[06:11] <lorrien3> gdfgdfg
[06:12] <lorrien3> jghjfg
[06:12] <lorrien3> j
[06:12] <Unit193> Do you need something?
[09:00] <UnknownCoder> hi, i want to install lubuntu alongside to an existing win 7 installation on my notebook
[09:01] <UnknownCoder> i tried this setup with an virtual box
[09:01] <UnknownCoder> without any problems
[09:01] <UnknownCoder> but now when i insert the cd and start the installation
[09:01] <UnknownCoder> the installer doesn't find my windows installation
[09:01] <UnknownCoder> and instead of asking me to install alongside
[09:01] <UnknownCoder> it wants to erase the whole disk
[09:01] <UnknownCoder> whats the prblem?
[09:02] <UnknownCoder> *problem
[09:11] <UnknownCoder> can anyone help me?
[09:11] <UnknownCoder> *somepne?
[09:11] <UnknownCoder> *someone?
[09:18] <pAt_> UnknownCoder: maybe you could ask in #ubuntu since it is not a special LXDE question and in #ubuntu are much more users :)
[09:21] <UnknownCoder> thx
[09:33] <pAt_> maybe you have to repeat your request on #ubuntu UnknownCoder, since there is much traffic
[09:34] <UnknownCoder> yeah i think so
[09:34] <UnknownCoder> thank you
[09:52] <pAt_> np UnknownCoder
[10:37] <precisepangolin> does lubuntu work with wubi installer?
[13:32] <ubi> oh hi
[13:33] <ubi> i just found out for lubuntu
[13:33] <ubi> does lubunthu have firefox
[13:35] <Myrtti> if it's not, you can easily install it
[13:36] <ubi> is it lubuntu user friendly
[13:37] <ubi> you know, is it graphical like ubuntu is
[13:40] <ubi> can skype be installed on lubuntu
[13:41] <pAt_> yes ubi
[13:41] <pAt_> you can install everything from the Ubuntu repos
[13:42] <pAt_> it is user friendly, designed for weak hardware
[13:42] <ubi> oh thx
[13:43] <ubi> can lubuntu be installed with mx windows XP as dual boot?
[13:43] <pAt_> yes ubi
[13:44] <ubi> great
[13:44] <pAt_> yes. Lubuntu es great, indeed :)
[13:44] <ubi> im gonna installit on my netbook
[13:44] <pAt_> yes, it is a very good choice for netbooks
[13:45] <ubi> im gonna play games in XP and do stuff in lubuntu lol
[13:46] <pAt_> yes, or install XP in a virtual box :)
[13:46] <ubi> whats that
[13:47] <pAt_> ubi: https://www.virtualbox.org/
[13:48] <ubi> so, first i install this virtual box in my lubuntu,and XP in it so i can run XP under lubuntu, is that right
[13:52] <pAt_> yes, thats right ubi
[13:52] <pAt_> if you dont run too heavy games :)
[13:53] <ubi> i can play half life 2 max settings on my netbook
[13:53] <ubi> but i will experiment with this for sure
[13:54] <pAt_> yes, just install Lubuntu as dual boot, install the virtual box there with xp in it and test it, before you erase your xp partition :)
[13:54] <ubi> yeah that what i was gonna do
[13:54] <ubi> bye bye microsoft windows lol
[14:00] <pAt_> :)
[14:01] <ubi> ty on info bb
[14:30] <Riddell> Hi, lubuntu needs lost more tests to be released with beta 1
[14:30] <Riddell> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/208/builds
[14:35] <phillw> hi Riddell the results coming in by e-mail are all encouraging :) The .1 respin is also passing.
[14:35] <Riddell> phillw: e-mail is not the correct way to report results, iso tracker is
[14:37] <phillw> Riddell: I am aware of that, but not all the lubuntu testers are completely familiar with it and it has been a mad scramble with 2 respins in about 10 hours !
[14:38] <Riddell> sure, I'm impressed you have testers at all (Kubuntu never has many), you have another hour or two before I need to publish them I guess
[14:38] <phillw> I will garner all the comments and email the qa-team. Some of the results have gone to them, others have not.
[15:19] <thor_> Test lubuntu 12.04 livecd 64bit. update manager cant update and synaptic only with terminal it can be don. 2 icon in the panel dosent show network and driver install. 3 abiword still show black were you write.
[15:29] <phillw> hi thor_ would you knindly update http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/208/builds with your findings (please raise bugs for update manager and the missing icons) the abiword bug is known about, but out of our control.
[15:32] <thor_> phillw itś pain  to do so, so i will make my bug report here
[15:32] <EvilResistance> thor_ you should put the bug reports onto the respective location, bug reports to channels arent exactly recommended *anywhere* in any of the ubuntu (or derivative) channels.
[15:33] <phillw> thor_: if I was not on the channel, I'd have missed your report :(
[15:33] <thor_> EvilResistance:  ubuntu channel what channel
[15:34] <EvilResistance> i think phillw understands what i mean :P
[15:34] <EvilResistance> but having brought it up...
[15:34] <EvilResistance> !12.04
[15:34] <EvilResistance> Ubuntu / Kubuntu / Xubuntu / Lubuntu, etc. etc. etc.
[15:35] <thor_> i will try to make imagebin so you can see the panel
[15:39] <thor_> he he how it show the network and driver install. strange
[15:39] <phillw> thor_: only one bug to report, then :)
[15:40] <thor_> phillw year but it wash gone before
[15:41] <thor_> phillw now the update manager work again. very strange
[15:42] <thor_> philw it not stable yet
[15:42] <phillw> beta's are still test versions.
[15:43] <thor_> phillw okaY THANKS YOU
[15:43] <EvilResistance> do i even have to point out that its not even *released* as stable yet?
[15:43] <phillw> possibly when you did the manual update from terminal it possibly pulled in a couple of bug fixes for you.
[15:44] <thor_> pwillw i will test then the next iso come
[15:46] <phillw> there were two isos released today, the liveCD's had two bug fixes on their 2nd release (it will show as .1 at the end of the name)
[15:46] <thor_> i have zsync .1
[15:49] <phillw> you should have latest one, then. When you manaully updated from terminal did it bring any updates in?
[15:49] <thor_>  no there was no one
[15:50] <thor_> none
[15:50] <phillw> most odd as to why it now works. I think it is a case of "rinse & repeat" to see if it does it again from LiveCD
[15:50] <thor_> rinse & repeat huh
[15:51] <thor_> shall i reboot and try again
[15:54] <phillw> thor_: please, yes :)
[16:12] <thor_> here a image off panel http://imagebin.org/201545
[16:15] <thor_> the panel
[16:24] <thor_> phillw i made screenshot off desktop (rebootet)
[16:26] <phillw> thor_: yeah, I saw it. It needs a bug raising. please attach the link to the image in the bug report. What did you do to get the icons back?
[16:28] <thor_> phillw after the terminal i tryed the update manager then they were again
[16:28] <phillw> can you repeat that step?
[16:29] <thor_> phillw i will try again wait a little
[16:32] <thor_> phillw lubuntu just crash totally lock hade to reboot again
[16:35] <thor_> phillw the icons in the panel show only half after the reboot and after i clear the popup the icon is gone
[16:41] <phillw> thor_: is this what you are seeing? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-applet/+bug/482684
[16:42] <thor_> phillw i cant get icons back now. tryed first the terminal then synaptic because update manager wont update before i run synaptic, then update manager. still no icons
[16:46] <thor_> i can get the back shot then i click on wired connection but then is gone again
[16:46] <thor_> the icons
[16:50] <thor_> phillw the link you gave me. the icons are not replaced. there is none icons
[16:52] <phillw> okay, it was just that it mentioned a sound icon only that did not function.
[16:53] <thor_> phillw hmm i tryed to kill the network and conneted again now the show again
[16:53] <thor_> the icon
[16:56] <thor_> so it was the link you gave me, i fund that they solved with kill network then connect again
[16:58] <thor_> phillw thanks i will try again then the next iso comes
[17:01] <phillw> okay, it looks a well documented bug if you look at the 'master' bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/439448
[17:07] <thor_> phillw i cant see the master bug. it's the link you gave that solved the problem
[17:08] <thor_> it's first link
[17:09] <phillw> okies :)
[17:10] <thor_> phillw thankś
[17:10] <iceroot> oh that bug is even more evil (from the size) then the first bug ever on launchpad
[17:12] <phillw> it does look like the daddy of all bugs!
[17:13] <iceroot> and i was never facing that bug...
[17:17] <phillw> I have it when I use a 3G device, there is no connection icon although the 'gap' is still active i.e. you can click in the gap and the little menu pops up
[17:18] <iceroot> phillw: ah
[17:18] <iceroot> phillw: i created a bug about 3g, i should link it
[17:18] <iceroot> i created it against lubuntu-desktop because i thought we are missing a dependency
[17:18] <phillw> I also have one - I'd have to go dig it out.
[17:19] <iceroot> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/936421
[17:19] <iceroot> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/elementary-icon-theme/+bug/909156
[17:19] <iceroot> that is your bug
[17:20] <iceroot> but i thought we are missing an icon and this big bug sounds different for me
[17:21] <iceroot> i have to test "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop". i bet after that the 3g icon is in my lxpanel
[17:22] <iceroot> phillw: would it be possible for the qa-team to test that? i dont have hardware ressources for that
[17:24] <iceroot> or do we have some machines where we can do some testing and have vnc/freenx or something similar on it?
[17:24] <osvaldo59> hello
[17:24] <osvaldo59> I installed Lubuntu 11.10; the mouse wheel does not flow very well in web pages: If you have to put some string in the terminal?
[17:29] <phillw> osvaldo59: take a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#The_scroll_button_on_your_mouse_keeps_changing_the_Desktop_Workspace_even_when_you.27re_scrolling_through_a_folder_or_file.
[17:31] <osvaldo59> phillw,    thank you, by chance also exists in italinao?
[17:32] <phillw> it is not translated, sorry.
[17:33] <osvaldo59> phillw,  ok, thanks
[17:37] <Myrtti> osvaldo59: I'm fairly certain the Italian Ubuntu channel will give assistance
[17:39] <osvaldo59> Myrtti,    I'm already translating the page indicated by phillw
[17:39] <Myrtti> alright, great
[17:48] <milen8204> How can I void changing desktops whit mouse scroll ?
[17:48] <milen8204> avoid*
[17:49] <valdur55> milen8204, check Openbox perf ...
[17:57] <milen8204> valdur55: could you be more exactly... in Desktops have no option to chande desktops
[18:01] <valdur55> milen8204, damn.. i don't remember it.
[18:02] <milen8204> valdur55: ok, thanks for trying
[18:03] <valdur55> ~/.config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml -there is config file
[18:05] <valdur55> maybe you Oh and there is A-up mousebind
[18:07] <valdur55> http://paste.ubuntu.com/863827/
[18:07] <valdur55> Tehe are lines what you need comment out.
[18:08] <valdur55> mikael64, when you don't use workspaces, then set 1 workspace :)
[19:00] <phillw> milen8204: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#The_scroll_button_on_your_mouse_keeps_changing_the_Desktop_Workspace_even_when_you.27re_scrolling_through_a_folder_or_file
[19:00] <phillw> Sorry for delay, was having dinner!
[19:35] <UnknownCoder> hi, i want to install lubunut 11.10 alongside to my existing win7 installation
[19:35] <UnknownCoder> i tried this installation on a virtual-box-machine without any problems
[19:36] <UnknownCoder> but now i booted from the cd and startet the installer
[19:36] <UnknownCoder> when choosing the partition to install i only got the option to erase the whole disc or to partition manually
[19:37] <UnknownCoder> the installer doesn't seem to find the win7 installation
[19:37] <UnknownCoder> if i choose manual partitioning the partitionmanger shows me an empty disk
[19:37] <Unit193> Have you tried the alt cd? I wouldn't see why desktop shouldn't pick it up though, you could also check gparted on the disk.
[19:37] <UnknownCoder> if is start the live-system i can mount the win7 partioin without problems
[19:38] <UnknownCoder> Unit193, you mean me?
[19:38] <Unit193> Yep.
[19:38] <UnknownCoder> ah you mean the minimal install?
[19:39] <UnknownCoder> that one doesn't run on my virtual-box so i didn't try
[19:39] <UnknownCoder> but i can try
[19:40] <Unit193> !alternate
[19:40] <Unit193> Not the mini cd, different.
[19:40] <UnknownCoder> ok
[19:40] <UnknownCoder> thank you
[19:40] <UnknownCoder> i'll try it
[19:40] <UnknownCoder> calssic text mode is ok for me, using gentoo on another system ;)
[19:42] <milen8204> phillw: I do not have that problem
[19:43] <milen8204> phillw: I just want to change way of changing desktop
[19:46] <phillw> milen8204: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#I_want_to_bind_a_key_to_lock_my_screen.2C_how_do_I_do_it. shows the addition of a key (in this case Win - L) to carry out the lock screen action. You can use that example to bind a key to change desktops.
[19:49] <milen8204> phillw: ok will try thanks
[19:49] <MrChrisDruif> phillw & milen8204; what phillw is referring to is a section of the FAQ for adding *new* keyboard shortcuts
[19:50] <phillw> MrChrisDruif: or in our case, hopefully using that and the mouse scroll wheel changes my desktop entries to achieve what milen8204 wants :)
[19:50] <MrChrisDruif> However, you need to find the already existing shortcuts for switching desktops in that file
[19:52] <MrChrisDruif> I don't know exactly what milen8204 tries to accomplish, I was just stating what I already know and noticed so far
[19:57] <milen8204> MrChrisDruif: I am trying to stop do desktop changing whit the mouse scroll
[20:00] <phillw> milen8204: which is what the original link I posted does... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#The_scroll_button_on_your_mouse_keeps_changing_the_Desktop_Workspace_even_when_you.27re_scrolling_through_a_folder_or_file
[20:02] <milen8204> phillw: my scroll does NOT changing workspase  when I am scrolling_through_a_folder_or_file
[20:03] <phillw> milen8204: but the mouse scroll is chnging your desktop, that link has how to disable it.
[20:04] <milen8204> I tried but didn`t help
[20:06] <milen8204> i do not have <mousebind button="UP" action="click">
[20:06] <milen8204>  <action name="DesktopPrevious" />
[20:06] <milen8204> <mousebind button="Down" action="click">
[20:06] <milen8204>  <action name="DesktopNext" />
[20:06] <milen8204> that text in file
[20:08] <phillw> milen8204: did you delete those files, save, then log off and back on again?
[20:09] <milen8204> phillw: I cant see the files
[20:09] <milen8204> phillw: I cant see the lines*
[20:11] <phillw> can you pastebin up the file, please?
[20:13] <milen8204> phillw: :D I have seen my mistake
[20:13] <milen8204> :D
[20:13] <milen8204> nano is not showing all written lines just first ;)
[20:13] <phillw> milen8204: ahh, yes - you must use the down arrow :)
[20:14] <milen8204> I have opened the file whit other texredaktor :D
[20:14] <milen8204> silly me :D
[20:14] <milen8204> phillw: I will be ok now, thanks for the help
[20:15] <phillw> gksudo leafpad <filename> will open a file up if you do not like to use nano, just remember to use gksudo and not sudo
[20:15] <phillw> cancel that... you're in your home directory - you don't need gksudo!
[20:15] <milen8204> phillw: I have opened it whit sudo nautilus
[20:16] <Riddell> phillw: can you check over http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/precise/beta-1/ ?
[20:16] <Riddell> check MD5sums are right etc
[20:18] <Unit193> milen8204: You really shouldn't use `sudo` with GUI applications.
[20:18] <phillw> Riddell: if I can work out a way to grab them onto the CentOS server, my internet speed is such that it takes about 4 hours to download an iso :(
[20:18] <Unit193> I think I have current ISOs
[20:18] <Unit193> I just zsynced them anyway.
[20:18] <milen8204> Unit193: why ?
[20:18] <Riddell> phillw: ask for an ec2 machine if you need one
[20:19] <phillw> Unit193: could you check the md5's please
[20:19] <Unit193> milen8204: http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo
[20:20] <phillw> Riddell: it's okay, wget on the SII server works... it has a 100Mb/S broadband link :)
[20:21] <milen8204> Unit193: I am ex windows user and it is easy for me to use nautilus for fileview
[20:21] <phillw> grabbing at 8Mb/s :)
[20:22] <Unit193> milen8204: Yes, and?
[20:23] <milen8204> Unit193: i use onli nautilus as a superuser
[20:23] <milen8204> only*
[20:24] <milen8204> thanks for the warning
[20:24] <phillw> Riddell: lubuntu-12.04-beta1-alternate-amd64.iso is okay, grabbing next one now.
[20:24] <Unit193> gksudo is the command for that, you *can* actually mess some things up in your /home with sudo.
[20:25] <Riddell> phillw: do join us in #ubuntu-release to be part of the release proper
[20:26] <milen8204> Unit193: If i so not mess the thinks one or twice :) how can I learn something  :)
[20:30] <milen8204> If I do not*
[20:31] <phillw> milen8204: trust me, you mess with sudo instead of gksudo it is a lesson you will NEVER forget... been there, got the 'Tee-Shirt' :(
[20:33] <milen8204> ok I will be crefull
[20:33] <milen8204> I will use gksudo
[20:34] <UnknownCoder> Unit193, hi remember my problem with the installer?
[20:34] <UnknownCoder> i allready have it using the alternate iso
[20:34] <Unit193> Still? Is it encryped or anything?
[20:34] <UnknownCoder> everytime i boot up and try to part my disk, parted shows me that the disk is empty
[20:34] <UnknownCoder> not the whole partition
[20:35] <UnknownCoder> there are normal NTFS partitions containing two truecrypt-containers
[20:35] <UnknownCoder> and as i said before, if i start the live-system i can mount the ntfs-part and see all win-files
[20:35] <UnknownCoder> i do not get this :/
[20:35] <UnknownCoder> myabe it is a bios setting
[20:36] <Unit193> After you mount it, what happens if you run the installer? (I haven't hit this, so I don't know as much about it)
[20:36] <UnknownCoder> i am using ahci for the sata disks
[20:37] <UnknownCoder> if i mount and start the installer again he also shows me the option to part my disk manually or erase everything because all is "free space"
[20:38] <UnknownCoder> another strage thing is that if i choose "try lubuntu.." from the initial menu i only get a console-screen
[20:38] <UnknownCoder> only if i abort the graphical installation is will reach the live-system with a lxde
[20:38] <UnknownCoder> very strange..
[20:39] <Unit193> A few ideas from the forums it seems http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1835667
[20:40] <UnknownCoder> thank you i'll check them out
[20:40] <Unit193> What's   sudo fdisk -l  show? (Make SURE to get that lowercase L in there!)
[20:41] <UnknownCoder> Unit193, still rebooting. i'll try it asap
[20:44] <UnknownCoder> Unit193, fdisk -l shows all partitions as it should!
[20:45] <UnknownCoder> but in the forum you linked me i read about the GPT
[20:45] <UnknownCoder> and neither win 7 is using it nor gparted can handle it
[20:45] <UnknownCoder> so i should remove , shouldn't i?
[20:45] <Unit193> This was another one: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1874850
[20:46] <UnknownCoder> but i am afraid of crashing my win 7 install
[20:46] <Unit193> You should backup either way you go.
[20:46] <UnknownCoder> the problem is i have to use the main partition for my work but i don't have such a huge disk to do a complete image
[20:46] <UnknownCoder> :/
[20:47] <UnknownCoder> ok same in the last link you gave me
[20:47] <Unit193> Well, if nothing in there helps, you can visit #ubuntu.
[20:48] <UnknownCoder> i would have to convert the GPT to mbr
[20:50] <UnknownCoder> so i have to try to become a complete backup
[20:50] <UnknownCoder> tahnk you so far
[20:50] <Unit193> Sorry can't help more. :/
[20:50] <Unit193> I would assume it wouldn't help to repartition in windows?
[20:50] <UnknownCoder> the links look very promising
[20:50] <Unit193> They'd know more on it than I.
[20:51] <UnknownCoder> yeah but you showed me ;)
[20:51] <UnknownCoder> thank you !!
[20:51] <UnknownCoder> anyway i have to leave at the moment, will retry it later
[20:51] <UnknownCoder> bye
[20:51] <Unit193> Well, glad I could help a little. Adios.


[00:43] <simar> vish: when do you sleep .. you are tireless ..
[00:45] <simar> vish: or that you are already having a nap .. hehe
[01:55] <mrooney> hi! it seems my bugcontrol membership has lapsed, is it possible to have it renewed?
[01:55] <mrooney> I was attempting to triage a bug and, I couldn't!
[02:00] <persia> Which bug?  I'll set status for you whilst you're waiting for someone to renew.
[02:17] <mrooney> persia: I'm trying to set the status of https://bugs.launchpad.net/wxbanker/+bug/623055 to Triaged for the Ubuntu task, since there is a confirmed upstream task
[02:17] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 623055 in wxbanker (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "wxbanker crashed with IndexError in load_series() (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New]
[02:17] <mrooney> low importance would also be ideal, I suppose!
[02:19] <persia> mrooney, Done
[02:19] <mrooney> persia: thanks!
[02:35] <hggdh> mrooney: ah there you are! Want back in?
[02:35] <mrooney> hggdh: so bad! :)
[02:36] <hggdh> mrooney: looking into it now
[02:36] <mrooney> thanks!
[02:37] <hggdh> mrooney: welcome back! You are all set
[02:37] <mrooney> thanks so much!
[02:37] <mrooney> have I missed anything exciting in my absense?
[02:38] <hggdh> there are always exciting moments here...
[02:38] <hggdh> but I am glad you are back :-)
[03:56] <bcurtiswx> nite all
[04:33] <abhijit> hi
[07:10] <nigelb> vish: you know me
[07:10] <nigelb> http://justanothertriager.wordpress.com/2010/08/24/cleansweep-update/
[07:11] <nigelb> I really don't like giving up :p
[07:11] <nigelb> (You'll be featured on UWN next week too)
[08:34] <amigojapan> hi guys, I may need help on how to file a bug report, I have googled a lot and cant find a fix for my problem,,,,,   my touchpad doesnt work well under ubuntu, it does in windows
[08:35] <kermiac> amigojapan: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/simar/Touchpad should help you
[08:35] <amigojapan> thanx kermiac
[08:49] <ppearse> I'd like to report a bug in libffi5, but I can't find the associated project in https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs. Am I searching incorrectly, or do I need to add the project somehow?
[09:12] <jibel_> ppearse, did you tried to run "ubuntu-bug libffi5" in a terminal ?
[09:16] <ppearse> This is a cross compile build bug - I was trying to submit a report manually. Will ubuntu-bug allow me to attach my fix patch?
[09:16] <ppearse> jibel: Oops, broadcast rather than directed
[09:16] <persia> ppearse, You'll have to attach the patch after the bug is filed, but sure.
[09:17] <ppearse> jibel: OK I'll do that then
[09:17] <jibel_> ppearse, yes, it will collect the information from your local system, then redirect you to launchpad to add any information you want.
[09:17] <persia> (asking the entire channel is often preferred here, unless there is a specific need for a specific individual)
[09:21] <bilalakhtar> hey persia I'm sorry for asking this too many times but what happened to coolbhavi's application?
[09:22] <^arky^> mvo, hi
[09:24] <ppearse> jibel: That worked - thanx.
[10:09] <baptistemm> hi there
[10:09] <baptistemm> did I miss something in bug 615509 to be reviewed for SRU validation?
[10:09] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 615509 in collectd (Ubuntu) "[SRU] curl_json plugin is unable to check local files (affects: 1) (heat: 440)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/615509
[10:12] <seb128> baptistemm, hi
[10:12] <seb128> baptistemm, yes, to subscribe ubuntu-sponsors
[10:12] <persia> baptistemm, I don't see anything missing.  I'd recommend asking in #ubuntu-testing in a few hours: the SRU-verification people tend to hang out there.
[10:12] <seb128> baptistemm, ubuntu-sru review things in the upload queue
[10:12] <persia> seb128, Does it no longer need approval pre-upload?
[10:13] <seb128> did it ever do?
[10:13] <seb128> I'm not really aware of universe rules so ignore me if I'm wrong
[10:13] <seb128> what I said stands for main uploads
[10:14] <persia> The process got unified, but I've never been sure if it needed upload first or not since unification.
[10:15] <seb128> there was an "SRUs: Upload *FIRST* for review" discussion on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>recently
[10:16] <seb128> but that discussion did go far it seems, out of pitti agreeing since that's what is done for main for a while
[10:20] <baptistemm> ubuntu-sponsor is already subscribed
[10:20] <persia> upload first makes sense, since the LP UI exposes useful stuff to non-archive-admins now.
[10:28] <vish> hmm , anyone with an idea why make keeps failing > http://paste.ubuntu.com/482821/
[10:30] <vish> I'v tried installing dbus-test-runner with  ./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr/local && make and  ./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr && make , but both seem to not help.. :s
[10:30] <vish> rather, neither*
[10:33] <seb128> baptistemm, no they are not
[10:33] <seb128> baptistemm, they would be on the right side list
[10:33] <baptistemm> doh, I was watching the wrong bug :/
[10:33] <vish> thekorn: hey!
[10:34] <baptistemm> thanks seb128
[10:34] <seb128> baptistemm, you're welcome
[10:34] <thekorn> hi vish
[10:35] <vish> thekorn: finally i for the deps installed, but not able to install the dee :i get this error : http://paste.ubuntu.com/482821/
[10:35] <vish> s/for/got
[10:36] <vish> i tried the dbus-test-runner with  ./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr/local  too, but dint help
[10:40] <vish> gah! netsplits!
[10:43] <thekorn> vish: you have to `make install` the dbus-test-runner
[10:43] <thekorn> our just make  and make sure the resulting executable is in PATH
[10:44] <vish>  hmm , i thought i did the install , let me try again..
[10:52] <vish> doh! i had tried make without root priv!  and i dint notice the permissons denied error ! :/
[10:53] <vish> make install that is..
[10:53] <thekorn> oh, maybe I should have mentioned it
[10:54] <vish> thekorn: yay! make check seems to have gone right? : http://paste.ubuntu.com/482833/
[10:56] <thekorn> vish: congrats ;) that's exactly what mikkel was looking for
[10:56] <vish> \o/
[11:17] <vish> thekorn: thanks .. :)
[11:17] <vish> thekorn: also, how do you retrace the .crash locally?  [i have a couple of bugs still waiting for retracers :)]
[11:22] <thekorn> vish: that's easy, install  apport-retrace, and create a file called /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ddebs.list with this one line as content:
[11:23] <thekorn> deb http://ddebs.ubuntu.com maverick main restricted universe multiverse
[11:23] <thekorn> (this are the debug symbols), and run apt-get update
[11:24] <seb128> hey thekorn
[11:24] <thekorn> and then all you need to do is running apport-retrace like
[11:24] <seb128> thekorn, bug #620458
[11:24] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 620458 in malone (and 1 other project) "cannot access attachments of private bugs any more (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/620458
[11:24] <seb128> thekorn, you left before I read your comment the other day saying it works for you
[11:24] <thekorn> seb128: hi, don't tell me you don't want people to run the retracer locally ;)
[11:24] <seb128> thekorn, that's the launchpad bug breaking the retracers
[11:25] <thekorn> seb128: yes, it's working for me, maybe all you have to do is creating new credentials with maximum power?
[11:25] <seb128> thekorn, did you try on private bugs?
[11:25] <seb128> thekorn, it works on public ones
[11:25] <thekorn> seb128: yes, but let me double check
[11:25] <seb128> thekorn, it might be working on bugs you opened as well
[11:26] <thekorn> haha, ok
[11:26] <seb128> thekorn, did you try to retrace a private bug not opened by you?
[11:26] <thekorn> I indeed only tried it on bugs I opend
[11:26] <thekorn> let me try a random one
[11:29] <vish> thekorn: hmm , you got interupted before you give me the secret command! ;p
[11:30] <thekorn> damn, I'm bad at multitasking
[11:30] <thekorn> sorry
[11:31] <thekorn> vish:   sudo apport-retrace -o /tmp/result.retrace <bugnumber>
[11:31] <thekorn> vish: or if you want to attach the result directly to the bugreport
[11:32] <vish> hehe , nah, no probs.. its like in the movies just when the suspense is about to be revealed something happens
[11:32] <vish> thekorn: oh! neat thanks :)
[11:32] <thekorn> sudo apport-retrace --auth launchpad.credentials <bugnumber>
[11:32] <thekorn> where launchpad.credentials are saved credentials from launchpadlib
[11:33] <vish> k...
[11:36]  * vish reboots
[11:36] <thekorn> noooo, you are not on windows....
[11:45] <thekorn> seb128: I can indeed reproduce the lp bug, attachments of private bugs which are not created by me are not accessible via the API,
[11:46] <thekorn> but I get a different error
[11:47] <seb128> thekorn, you might have a fixed httplib2
[11:48] <seb128> ?
[11:48] <seb128> cf the httplib2 bugwatch
[11:48] <thekorn> seb128: right, seems like httplib2 only prints some more verbose error message
[11:49] <thekorn> good to see the lp guys working on this issue
[11:49] <seb128> indeed
[11:59] <gorilla> thekorn: Does anyone have a email address for those that are fixing it? I'd like to email them and ask "Is it fixed yet?" :-D lol
[13:12] <devildante> hello pedro_ :)
[13:13] <pedro_> hey devildante!
[13:15]  * pedro_ hugs devildante
[13:15] <pedro_> devildante, you ROCK.
[13:15]  * devildante hugs pedro_ back
[13:15] <devildante> pedro_: you rock TOO.
[13:16] <devildante> but wait, why do I rock? :p
[13:17] <pedro_> devildante, just checked my email and realize you managed to triage almost all the bugs on the bug day page ;-)
[13:17] <devildante> oh
[13:17] <pedro_> that's *awesome* :-)
[13:18] <devildante> pedro_: thx :)
[13:18] <devildante> pedro_: I would have done all of them, but micahg told me I should let some for you :p
[13:18] <devildante> you all, I mean
[14:21] <devildante> hi kamusin :)
[14:22] <kamusin> hey devildante
[14:22] <abhijit> hello devildante
[14:22] <devildante> hi abhijit :)
[14:23] <abhijit> :)
[14:23] <kamusin> you have closed lot of reports , good work ;)
[14:24] <pedro_> kamusin, he's a bugs addict :-)
[14:25] <kamusin> looks like such a bug eater :P
[14:27] <devildante> kamusin, pedro_: thx :)
[14:48] <jibel> pedro_, hggdh, hello
[14:48] <hggdh> jibel: morning
[14:49] <jibel> pedro_, hggdh: here is the list I promised for yesterday: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JeanBaptisteLallement/RegressionReport
[14:49] <jibel> That's a tough one for a bug day.
[14:50] <hggdh> heh
[14:52] <jibel> hggdh, I've read a large part of them and that's really hard to triage.
[14:56] <hggdh> jibel: then I guess we will have to get it done ourselves... <sigh/>
[15:01] <pedro_> jibel, thanks for the report ;-)
[15:07] <wmrit> I wanted to help out with triaging bugs but everything seems so confusing. Can anyone suggest a simple step by step approach?
[15:08] <abhijit> wmrit, you can request for mentor.
[15:10] <gorilla> wmrit: step by step guides aren't really possible as it depends a lot on the submitted bug.
[15:11] <wmrit> ok I'll check around the site for a mentor
[15:12] <abhijit> wmrit, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad
[15:13] <abhijit> wmrit, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors
[15:16] <wmrit> Ok I don't know how to set up a wiki page, I have signed the code of conduct and I am signed in with launch pad
[15:18] <abhijit> wmrit, ask in #ubuntu-doc
[15:18] <abhijit> wmrit, see the links in the topic of that channel
[15:18] <wmrit> Thanks
[15:32] <pedro_> is launchpad acting slow today or it's just me ?
[15:36] <charlie-tca> pedro_: that seems to be the only not slow for me. :-(
[15:36] <pedro_> darn.
[15:36] <charlie-tca> Even Xchat here has a 1.7 sec lag
[15:36] <seb128> pedro_, it's slow there
[15:37] <pedro_> seb128, thanks so it's no only me, i was about to kick my router
[15:37] <vish> devildante: not that you /have/ to leave some pie for us.. you can have it fully too.. ;p
[15:37] <vish> devildante: no one will complain you finished bug day ;p
[15:37] <devildante> vish: is that true?
[15:37] <devildante> bug day, here I come! :p
[15:38] <pedro_> devildante, vish well only kamusin will be jealous :-P
[15:38] <vish> hehe!
[15:38] <vish> Pici: i'm not the only one who was surprised[rather late] by the paste.u.c new theme :D  : https://twitter.com/asacasa/statuses/21994422671
[15:39] <kamusin> haha in some way it's true :P
[15:39] <pedro_> hahaha
[15:39] <pedro_> i knew it!
[15:39]  * devildante lets out evil scream
[15:39] <pedro_> we can always put more bugs there you know
[15:39] <pedro_> there's plenty of triaged ones waiting for patches, etc
[15:45]  * devildante is beginning to love appmenu-gtk :p
[15:50] <Pici> vish: Ah, refreshed my cache, now it looks nice.
[15:50] <vish> Pici: lol!  you dint know either! :D
[16:00] <vish> sense: last i heard bdmurray mentioned he was busy.. hence those students were still waiting. but hope he is free now :)
[16:00] <sense> vish: Ah, didn't know that. I assumed he could take at least one student since he didn't have the 'currently unavailable' phrase in front of his name in the table.
[16:01] <vish> sense: hmm, maybe i should have updated that on the wiki :(
[16:05] <thekorn> vish: talking about our mentorship program: seems like I have no luck with my students, noone answered to my various mails, and the one who was bussy with other things for about one month did not report back either
[16:06] <vish> thekorn: no worries, we deactivate them :)
[16:06] <thekorn> cool, I think I'm free for a new one then
[16:08] <vish> sense: hmm, i did move bdmurray lower down the table! folks below are the unavailable ;p
[16:08] <sense> vish: Maybe we could create a separate table for that?
[16:09] <vish> sense: maybe.. but i think we neeeeeeeed to take a roll call on those available too!  pedro_ had tasked hggdh to crack the whip! ;)
[16:10] <sense> People should remove inactive students so we know who can take up some new.
[16:10]  * hggdh wakes up
[16:13] <sense> dinner time, afk!
[16:13] <thekorn> okidoki, so all I should do now is removing my students
[16:14] <thekorn> ?
[16:14] <vish> thekorn: sure.. you can do it too, i'v deactivated them from the team as well
[16:15] <vish> sense: isnt it too early for dinner! ;p
[16:15]  * vish gonna have dinner only now! and is on a TZ far ahead of sense ;p
[16:18] <thekorn> maybe he has to hunt his meal first?! ;)
[16:30] <nigelb> devildante: around?
[16:30] <devildante> nigelb: yep
[16:48] <sense> vish: Dutch generally eat early, but today we ate extra early because my brother has got a football match this evening.
[16:59] <vish> :)
[17:24] <njin> Kde users help https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/427846
[17:24] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 427846 in ubuntu "Thinkpad T400s laptop dock events not enabling/disabling external display (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[17:42] <abhijit> hi
[17:42] <njin> hi
[17:43] <njin> pedro_: around?
[17:43] <pedro_> njin, yes
[17:43] <njin> hello pedro
[17:44] <pedro_> hola
[19:30] <simar> sense: hey!
[19:53] <devildante> pedro_: can you triage bug 622622? I reported it upstream ;)
[19:53] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 622622 in gnome-media (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "floated letters in sound preferences dialog (russian translation) (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/622622
[19:53] <pedro_> devildante, awesome! marking it now
[19:54] <devildante> looks like I'm fast :p
[19:54] <devildante> thanks pedro_ ;)
[19:54] <pedro_> no problem :-)
[20:07] <jaminc> anyone here notice that the base server and desktop installs (only default packages) generate different group IDs for the same groups and a conflicting user ID?
[20:07] <utkanos> are there known issues with update-initramfs not behaving properly?
[20:09] <jzarr> is there a channel for help with livecd customization?
[20:10] <charlie-tca> Maybe #ubuntu-installer
[20:10] <utkanos> i seem to be stuck in a nasty loop of apt/dpkg and update-initramfs/mkinitramfs that I cannot break out of
[20:11] <jaminc> jzarr, there's a pretty detailed wiki page in the community documentation on how to customize the CD
[20:11] <utkanos> anyone willing to take a crack at it?
[20:11] <vish> charlie-tca: pedro_: while announcing bug days, werent we also usually mentioning ways to debug for the specific app, like for banshee there was no mention of what we need to request info about
[20:12] <jzarr> jaminc, ive been there, need a little more info than the page has, i think i need to modify some of the casper-bottom stuff, but not sure
[20:12] <vish> i had to look at other triaged bugs and see what they usually need for debugging.
[20:12] <pedro_> vish, 'usually' yes, we point users to doc if we have those
[20:12] <charlie-tca> We mention it if there is a specific procedure requested from the devs, too.
[20:13] <vish> pedro_: yeah , why i ask is we seem to slowly forget mentioning that info in the wiki recently :D
[20:13] <jaminc> jzarr, what are you trying to get it to do?
[20:13] <vish> last i recall was we had that was for Ubuntuone..
[20:13] <utkanos> ugh
[20:14] <jzarr> im trying to sneak in a post-login bash script that gets user input, putting it in /etc/profile is to early, no mouse/keyboard support
[20:15] <jzarr> i think i need to add a script to casper-bottom or init-bottom, but not sure
[20:15] <jaminc> and this input is needed prior to what point?
[20:16] <jzarr> none, just need keyboard/mouse/network, essentially what im making is a live usb stick, stick in a box, it grabs dmesg cpuinfo etc, pushes it to a file share, then shuts down
[20:17] <jaminc> jzarr why not put it into rc.local then?
[20:17] <jzarr> maybe im mistaken, but i thought rc.local is run before /etc/profile and if thats too soon ...
[20:18] <utkanos> i seem to be stuck in a nasty loop of apt/dpkg and update-initramfs/mkinitramfs that I cannot break out of, any known bugs in update-initramfs?
[20:18] <jaminc> it's one of the last init scripts to run... I thought I'd gotten user input during it before... I could be wrong...
[20:18] <jzarr> ill give it a try
[20:19] <jaminc> which (meta-)package should I file a bug report against for differing/conflicting user/group accounts between default server and desktop installs?
[20:19] <jzarr> if i do need to add to casper-bottom, is it as simple as creating a 99_script and dropping it in there?
[20:19] <jaminc> yes
[20:20] <abhijit> bye
[20:20] <jaminc> I just copied one of the existing scripts in there as a baseline and used it
[20:20] <jzarr> oh ok, i got a little confused by the prereq stuff, thought i had to declare something someplace else
[20:21] <jzarr> it just uses the front numbers for ordering?
[20:21] <jaminc> that's what it looks like from what I saw
[20:21] <jzarr> cool, ill give rc.local a try, then that, thanks for the help
[20:21] <jaminc> jzarr, any time
[20:22] <jzarr> actually one more question while i got ya ;-) any trick to mounting the same usb stick used to boot?
[20:22] <utkanos> can anyone help with what appears to be a bug in update-initramfs please?
[20:24] <utkanos> i found a dirty hack/work around for installing anything else via apt, except a kernel, which actually needs to generate an initrd
[20:26] <jaminc> jzarr, guessing you don't want to write into the persistence area?
[20:27] <jzarr> i wasnt aware there was one, hows that work
[20:27] <jaminc> one sec, let me get the page
[20:27] <jzarr> thx
[20:27] <jaminc> jzarr, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCD/Persistence
[20:29] <jaminc> the persistence file is basically just a loop back file system afterwards... if you want to extract anything
[20:30] <jzarr> ohh, i thought it was a mount shadowed to the usb stick, this needs to be noob friendly so they can grab logs of the stick
[20:31] <jaminc> let me check one of my other sticks... I can't remember if I did that or just used the persistence
[20:36] <jaminc> looks like I just used the persistence area once I worked out how to use it
[20:37] <jzarr> ill try splitting the disk into partitions, maybe that will do it
[20:38] <jaminc> which (meta-)package should I file a bug report against for differing/conflicting user/group accounts between default server and desktop installs?
[21:25] <devildante> can someone triage bug 392750?
[21:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 392750 in ubuntu (and 1 other project) "packages.ubuntu.com needs translation (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/392750
[21:46] <charlie-tca> devildante: done
[21:47] <devildante> charlie-tca: thx ;)
[21:47] <charlie-tca> no problem
[21:52] <yofel> hm, is bug 622702 evince or glib? (I tend to glib)
[21:52] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 622702 in ubuntu "[maverick regression] Evince crashes when repeatedly doing text selections (affects: 1) (heat: 3235)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/622702
[21:54] <pedro_> yofel, assign it to evince for now
[21:54] <yofel> k
[21:54] <pedro_> yofel, would be nice to get  valgrind log of that crash
[21:54] <devildante> I tend to glib, but I'm no expert
[21:54] <pedro_> it might tell us where the crash actually is
[21:55] <pedro_> without it, we can only guess
[21:55] <yofel> ok, I'll request it
[21:55] <pedro_> all the *alloc calls are coming from glib
[21:55] <pedro_> so it doesn't say us much about it...
[21:55] <pedro_> thank you yofel!
[21:57] <yofel> wth...
[21:57] <yofel> Reading symbols from /usr/bin/evince...warning: the debug information found in "/usr/lib/debug//usr/bin/evince" does not match "/usr/bin/evince" (CRC mismatch).
[21:58] <yofel> (trying to retrace the crash that I get)
[22:03] <yofel> reinstalling packages didn't help..
[22:07] <yofel> ok, I love this, 'GLib-ERROR **: /build/buildd/glib2.0-2.25.14/glib/gmem.c:140: failed to allocate<PHONE_NUMBER>0112 bytes' but it DOESN'T crash when I run it in gdb :(
[22:12] <yofel> correction, it just doesn't crash every time I try to run it
[22:13] <devildante> does someone know the upstream bug tracker for compiz?
[22:14] <mrooney> devildante: I'm pretty sure Launchpad does, if you try to upstream a bug
[22:16] <devildante> mrooney: no, it doesn't mention it
[22:17] <devildante> I've seen mentions of bugs.opencompositing.org in the net, but it just doesn't want to open :(
[22:17] <mrooney> yeah those are the top two google results
[22:17] <mrooney> but I see what you mean about it opening
[23:22] <hggdh> micahg: can you check bug 533739 and confirm/deby it as a regression?
[23:22] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 533739 in firefox (Ubuntu) "ubuntu package search searchengine missing from firefox (affects: 2) (heat: 23)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/533739
[23:24] <micahg> hggdh: I asked chrisccoulson about it, he didn't seem to think we need it, but since p.u.c was fixed, maybe we should?
[23:25] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i could never figure out why it was removed in the first place
[23:25] <chrisccoulson> but, IMO, the list of search engines is already long enough by default
[23:25] <chrisccoulson> i don't think we need to add another one
[23:25] <micahg> chrisccoulson: so, won't fix?
[23:26] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i think so. we can always revisit if lots of people scream for it
[23:26] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k, will do later, thanks
[23:26] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[23:27] <hggdh> chrisccoulson, micahg: I will take out the regression-potential tag, then
[23:27] <micahg> hggdh: k
[23:27] <chrisccoulson> cool, thanks
[23:27] <hggdh> and thank you :-)
[23:27] <hggdh> micahg: I can also mark it wontfix, if you wish
[23:28] <micahg> chrisccoulson: what do you think of a separate package for them and have it as a suggests?
[23:29] <micahg> or it rather
[23:29] <chrisccoulson> micahg - a separate package would probably be better
[23:29] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k, separate source too?
[23:29] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure we'd need to suggest it though. IIRC, there's already a package in the archive which adds some extra search engines
[23:30] <chrisccoulson> yeah, a separate source package
[23:30] <micahg> !info firefox-launchpad-plugin
[23:30] <ubot2> micahg: firefox-launchpad-plugin (source: firefox-launchpad-plugin): Launchpad firefox integration. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4 (lucid), package size 6 kB, installed size 72 kB
[23:30] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that's probably the one ;)
[23:30] <micahg> chrisccoulson: so I'll make something similar to that then
[23:30] <chrisccoulson> cool, thanks
[23:31] <micahg> chrisccoulson: so, I think then it should be marked regression-lucid, but we're fixing it another way?
[23:31] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i'm not sure which tag to use. i hardly do any bug triage now ;)
[23:31] <micahg> hggdh: ^^
[23:35] <charlie-tca> chrisccoulson: I hope my response on that bug was not too far out of line. I did not really mean to bark at you.
[23:42] <chrisccoulson> charlie-tca, heh, that's ok ;)


[08:02] <dholbach> good morning
[11:39] <czajkowski> Aloha
[11:41] <czajkowski> Step 2: In the meantime we get together a list of problems we want to sort out. Let's have a bigger list that we publish and then choose one we want to get behind.
[11:41] <czajkowski> Shall be sending a mail to the group re the above
[11:42] <czajkowski> so we can start to work on paper jams
[11:42] <czajkowski> this wil lhelp Ivaka and her team help sort out the issues we are going to work on
[11:42] <czajkowski> so if folks have any ideas/thoughts poke me


[11:37] <knome> micahg, hey!
[11:38]  * micahg is going to sleep :)
[11:38] <knome> micahg, before that
[11:38] <knome> micahg, set your freenode password as your server password :)
[11:39] <knome> micahg, otherwise you'll continue to flood the channel with join-quit-join
[11:39] <knome> :)
[11:40] <micahg> that's weird, it shouldn't be doing it for that reason
[11:40] <micahg> oh, you mean about cloaking?
[11:40] <knome> yeah
[11:41] <micahg> I had that set right back when I was using Pidgin
[11:41] <micahg> ok, hopefully fixed
[11:41] <knome> thanks :)
[11:41] <knome> and good night
[12:08] <astraljava> knome: Alrighty, I'm set.
[12:09] <knome> sure
[12:09] <astraljava> So yeah, I haven't finalized the stuff yet, but I have a good understanding of what needs to be there.
[12:09] <knome> good
[12:10] <astraljava> Basically, two files for each "tab" or what you want to call it, in ubiquity.
[12:10] <knome> mm-hmm
[12:10] <knome> can they be made radiobutton, not checkboxes?
[12:10] <knome> i mean, we only want to install one of those three
[12:10] <knome> and one must always choose one
[12:11] <astraljava> Hang on, I'll paste what edubuntu has.
[12:11] <knome> sure
[12:11] <astraljava> Crap, pastebinit is b0rked.
[12:12] <knome> http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[12:13] <astraljava> Ahh... since it's an XML file, it's not allowed.
[12:14] <astraljava> http://astraljava.kapsi.fi/edubuntu-addon.ui
[12:14] <knome> uhoh :)
[12:15] <knome> okay.
[12:15] <astraljava> So yeah, I would assume it's possible.
[12:15] <astraljava> <object class="GtkCheckButton" id="ltsp_install">
[12:15] <knome> i get the general idea
[12:15] <knome> but that didn't answe my question
[12:15] <knome> they are using checkbuttons
[12:15] <astraljava> There should be the equivalent for that as a radio button.
[12:15] <knome> ok
[12:15] <astraljava> I'll look into that.
[12:15] <knome> good
[12:16] <knome> so my next concern/question
[12:16] <knome> on the packaging side of things, we should have two new metapackages, right?
[12:16] <knome> for each option
[12:16] <astraljava> No, I don't think so.
[12:16] <knome> two new "tasks" ?
[12:17] <astraljava> Edubuntu has them in edubuntu-live package.
[12:17] <astraljava> That package can include all tasks you want to have.
[12:17] <astraljava> So I would be creating xubuntu-live, I presume.
[12:17] <astraljava> Or whatever you want to call it.
[12:17] <knome> okay, so we just define which packages we want to install in ubiquity
[12:18] <astraljava> Yep.
[12:18] <knome> ok, good
[12:18] <knome> that sounds doable
[12:18] <knome> what else is there to this?
[12:18] <astraljava> Well, if you look at that file I uploaded, we need the pictures for them.
[12:19] <knome> astraljava, look at the url i posted you earlier
[12:19] <knome> astraljava, http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/precise_ubiquity/
[12:19] <astraljava> Ahh... cool.
[12:19] <knome> i you need something more, just ping me
[12:20] <astraljava> Sure. I'll look into that, and ask questions if I need more info. Thanks!
[12:20] <knome> thank YOU :)
[12:21] <knome> the next thing i, or somebody else, should do is start thinking what belongs in the accessibility set
[12:21] <astraljava> Nah, no worries. I'm in debt for you guys for so much, and besides, it's fun to participate and contribute to Xubuntu as well. :)
[12:21] <astraljava> Right.
[12:21] <knome> and if we should remove some things from xubuntu-desktop
[12:21] <astraljava> Yeah.
[12:21] <knome> but that's something for me to worry
[12:21] <knome> the xfce set is quite straightorward
[12:21] <knome> and we'll do that even if we didn't do accessibility
[12:21] <knome> :)
[12:22] <astraljava> Well yeah, I don't really have the grasp of what Xubuntu should be about, yet.
[12:22] <knome> mm-hmm
[12:23]  * knome thinks it's a bit hard to define xubuntu, because we are a "light" desktop with firefox and thunderbird, which are not so light..
[12:27] <astraljava> Yeah, that's an interesting setup indeed.