[03:00] <black_nightmare> that command didn't work
[03:00] <lewwy> Dreamer3, http://www.dposoft.net/
[03:00] <lewwy> Dreamer3, i think you should atleast try the alternative
[03:00] <crimsun> mercurus: if that option is modularised, it gives you commoncap.ko and capability.ko
[03:00] <lewwy> Dreamer3, what do you have to lose
[03:00] <vixus> Hey, what packages do I need to get bluetooth working?
[03:00] <black_nightmare> error dialog saying 'applications://' does not exist
[03:00] <lewwy> Dreamer3, do the try one
[03:00] <vixus> black_nightmare: You cannot access applications:// in hoary.
[03:01] <black_nightmare> vixus - so where the hell did synaptic download this emulator to when its not even in the applications :|
[03:01] <black_nightmare> *sigh*
[03:01] <black_nightmare> weird
[03:01] <kurpa> how can i add programs to the menu?
[03:01] <Myrtti> thisfred: xmms refused of playing it from the console, rhythmbox did start it
[03:01] <Seveas> kurpa: you can find out more about gnome 2.10 (hoary) menu editing on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GnomeMenuEditingHowTo
[03:01] <mercurus> crimsun, champion :)
[03:01] <kurpa> Seveas: tuy
[03:01] <Myrtti> and plays it
[03:02] <kurpa> *ty
[03:02] <mercurus> why couldn't I find any of that info ...
[03:02] <Seveas> black_nightmare, try dpkg -L package_name
[03:02] <Myrtti> I wonder whats the matter with this file
[03:02] <lewwy> Dreamer3, you trying that hddregen?
[03:02] <mercurus> heh, when I ran dbus-1 restart, my hotplug CD play re-loaded and started playing the CD
[03:02] <vixus> black_nightmare: Try typing the emulator name in bash?
[03:03] <mercurus> crimsun, thank you :)
[03:03] <crimsun> mercurus: np
[03:03] <thisfred> Myrtti, what was xmms' feedback? And did rhythmbox give any (if you started that from the console as well). I'm thinking that the mp3s may be subtly corrupt, or maybe the ID3 tags.
[03:03] <Dreamer3> lewwy: no, worrying about copying my data off
[03:03] <vixus> black_nightmare: OR rather, the command that would  run the emulator
[03:03] <vixus> black_nightmare: Then get the <google>Gnome 2.10 Menu Editor</google> and add it yourself.
[03:03] <black_nightmare> hmm....one second .....
[03:03] <Myrtti> thisfred: no feedback, it didn't even start the GUI
[03:04] <Myrtti> thisfred: rhytmbox started playing it nicely, no output
[03:04] <lewwy> only 3 mins till my new kernels down!
[03:04] <thisfred> Myrtti, then I'm stumped too, maybe someone else has an idea...
[03:05] <vixus> How do I get bluetooth working?
[03:05] <Myrtti> but normally rhythmbox can't find the file, and doesn't open it
[03:05] <vixus> I had to download hci tools or something
[03:05] <Myrtti> xmms finds it, but doesn't play
[03:05] <black_nightmare> ah....duh ok I got it running now...ty
[03:05] <thisfred> like i said, probably some file corruption
[03:05] <Myrtti> has there been recent updates, since this worked last week...
[03:06] <black_nightmare> is there like a way to add a terminal command shortcut to the applications?  (likewise so I could just start it from a mouse click like the rest of other programs)
[03:06] <Myrtti> better check my synaptic install log
[03:06] <Myrtti> black_nightmare: yes, but can't remember how it's done
[03:06] <black_nightmare> myrtti ty anyhow
[03:06] <black_nightmare> at least I got this thing running right now
[03:07] <vixus> black_nightmare: Add a launcher to the gnome panel
[03:07] <black_nightmare> 'custom application launcher' you mean?
[03:08] <dabi> what is the fastest way to install .deb?
[03:08] <vixus> black_nightmare: yes
[03:08] <vixus> black_nightmare: Tick the run in terminal button if you have to.
[03:08] <lewwy> hey wait, if i install a new kernel, will my bootloader automatically make it availible to me?
[03:08] <vixus> Now... how in the world do I get bluetooth working? I got it working last time.
[03:09] <Myrtti> ffs, if this really is about fscked up id3-tags...
[03:09] <huring> wow! finally got a nice working ubuntu install on my old laptop, ssl/webserver/smb share with fluxbox wm from base install! *firsttimer*
[03:09] <crimsun> lewwy: it's all done transparently.
[03:10] <dabi> how can i install .deb?
[03:10] <EvilIdler> dpkg -i filename.deb
[03:11] <skreet> If I have a user logged into my server via SSH and I want to punt them off, how can I do that?
[03:11] <mercurus> skreet, to be very rough, restart the sshd
[03:11] <vixus> Ah well, the internet helped me <_<
[03:12] <billyoc> skreet: you can kill the sshd process that user is using.
[03:12] <skreet> mercurus, Well, in more detail, I logged in to test the account with the login command and used the exit comand but it remains logged in, I went to do a userdel and it says he's stilled logged in, and when I do who, sure enough he is. I've fully exited and re-ssh'd and nothing.
[03:12] <skreet> There's no easier way to force a logout?
[03:12] <EvilIdler> Stop inetd?
[03:13] <skreet> Theres no *command*?
[03:13] <black_nightmare> I finally figured it out lol...
[03:13] <skreet>  :P
[03:13] <black_nightmare> it was keeping basiliskII in the X11 folder......
[03:13] <mercurus> skreet, on the server run ps aux |grep $username
[03:13] <black_nightmare> figures why it didn't get added to the applications list
[03:13] <mercurus> then kill their shell
[03:14] <skreet> The only thing that came up when I did grep gymnos on it was me, doing grep gymnos.
[03:14] <skreet> gymnos being the username.
[03:14] <mercurus> hmm ...
[03:14] <mercurus> grep for bash (or whatever shell you use)
[03:14] <EvilIdler> skreet: Then the system killed his zombie process; he WAS actually logged out..or perhaps ps has been replaced ;)
[03:15] <skreet> EvilIdler, Still logged in (via who command) :(
[03:15] <mercurus> lol EvilIdler
[03:15] <lewwy> huzzah
[03:15] <skreet> actually scrolling through ps aux shows that he has NO processes running
[03:15] <lewwy> crimsun, the sound works in ubuntu now
[03:15] <lewwy> brb
[03:15] <mercurus> skreet, interesting ... what happens if you restart the shhd ?
[03:15] <skreet> this is so wierd.
[03:15] <crimsun> well, that was the easiest troubleshooting job I had to do.
[03:15] <Myrtti> the problem prolly is about id3-tags, since the file plays nicely from console
[03:16] <crimsun> RB does have some issues with certain types of tags
[03:16] <skreet> I restarted it and he's still up :
[03:16] <skreet> Theres no IP next to his name either.
[03:16] <skreet> Like there is on mine.
[03:16] <EvilIdler> skreet: What does netstat tell you?
[03:16] <Bandit> good morning everyone
[03:16] <lewwy> ok, sound works in ubuntu now.  Now how do i extend this sound working to other apps, like cedega
[03:17] <skreet> one tcp connection, ssh <IP_ADDRESS> (this machine)
[03:17] <lewwy> good morning bandit
[03:17] <Bandit> :)
[03:17] <skreet> that's it ://
[03:17] <EvilIdler> skreet: Spookeh.
[03:17] <skreet> You're telling me
[03:17] <skreet> "Okay kevin, your username is gymnos2"
[03:17] <skreet> "What happened to gymnos"
[03:17] <skreet> "Oh, he's logged in."
[03:17] <crimsun> lewwy: erm...you shouldn't have to "extend" it
[03:17] <skreet> "He's our ghost user.."
[03:17] <EvilIdler> Hehe
[03:18] <lewwy> crimsun, the sound doesnt work in quake3 or cedega
[03:18] <EvilIdler> Every system should have its ghost. Draws tourists, or sumfin'.
[03:18] <Jesterace> lewwy: you'll have to turn off the sound server in gnome for cedega
[03:18] <crimsun> lewwy: and you killed esd prior to starting either/both?
[03:18] <lewwy> Jesterace, how would i do that
[03:18] <crimsun> pkill esd
[03:18] <lewwy> crimsun, no i havent, again how would i do that
[03:18] <lewwy> k thx
[03:18] <skreet> EvilIdler, Wow, If I kill the process i'm tied to it boots me off, if i kill the process it SAYS he's tired to it says "no such process"
[03:18] <skreet> it really is a ghost user.
[03:18] <skreet> lol
[03:19] <EvilIdler> Call Ghostbusters.
[03:19] <skreet> it says we're both on pts/1 any way to flush pts/1?
[03:19] <mercurus> skreet, hang on...
[03:19] <mercurus> type exit or logout in all your terminals
[03:19] <skreet> This is the only terminal I have open.
[03:19] <mercurus> close it ... and open another one ...
[03:19] <skreet> cept the computer itself, should I log out of that too?
[03:20] <skreet> mercurus, I have.
[03:20] <mercurus> no, leave that
[03:20] <mercurus> leave your current GNOME session open  ....
[03:20] <mercurus> odd.
[03:20] <skreet> No gnome session.
[03:20] <skreet> it's ubuntu but I dont run GUI on it.
[03:20] <skreet> :D
[03:20] <mercurus> skreet, ah ...
[03:21] <skreet> slows down my ftp transfers or somethin'...
[03:21] <mercurus> then it is VERY odd that pty0 has been kept open
[03:21] <mercurus> what if someone else tries to login ..?
[03:21] <mercurus> ie. the next user to login, do they get pty0 or pty1 ?
[03:21] <skreet> i'm the only other user ATM and it works fine.
[03:21] <skreet> well, first off, we're *both* on pts/1
[03:21] <Myrtti> ffs.
[03:21] <skreet> since I used *login* to try the acct.
[03:22] <skreet> let me try to login as him then quit.
[03:22] <mercurus> skreet, you're not on tty0 ? or are you connecting to the machine remotely ?
[03:22] <skreet> LOL
[03:22] <skreet> mercurus, ssh.
[03:22] <skreet> I just ssh'd as gymnos
[03:22] <skreet> and now he's logged into pts/2
[03:22] <skreet> skreet   pts/1        Mar 31 08:21 (<IP_ADDRESS>)
[03:22] <skreet> gymnos   pts/1        Mar 31 08:07
[03:22] <skreet> gymnos   pts/2        Mar 31 08:24 (<IP_ADDRESS>)
[03:22] <skreet> ^^ wtf?!
[03:25] <lewwy> cool beans
[03:25] <lewwy> quake3 works
[03:27] <freet> hey
[03:28] <Bandit> hello
[03:28] <kev0r> Anyone here know a nice 3d game for ubuntu?
[03:28] <garrut> tuxracer
[03:28] <garrut> :)
[03:28] <kev0r> not that one ;)
[03:28] <mjr> egoboo ;)
[03:28] <kev0r> nice shoot 'm up or something like that
[03:29] <black_nightmare> kev..I think there's doom/quake2 on synaptics
[03:29] <garrut> doom3
[03:29] <mjr> hmm, shoot... well, dwarves have shotguns in egoboo ;)
[03:29] <crimsun> bzflag
[03:29] <kev0r> hehe now trying Adonthell
[03:29] <kev0r> :P
[03:30] <EvilIdler> Privateer remake? Vegastrike?
[03:30] <Dreamer3> any experts in harddrive failures here?
[03:31] <Dreamer3> oh, and is there a way to dump ALL data from a mysql server?  (i'm reading man mysqldump in a sec)
[03:31] <EvilIdler> Causing or debugging?
[03:31] <Dreamer3> i mean all tables, schema, everything
[03:31] <kev0r> yes i'm an expert in causing hard drive crashes!
[03:31] <skreet> Wow people in #debian are assholes.
[03:31] <Dreamer3> well, my drive has started powering down all the time for no reason
[03:31] <kzm> Dare I log out?  Reboot?
[03:32] <kzm> :-)
[03:32] <Dreamer3> kzm: go for it :)
[03:32] <Dreamer3> kzm: it worked for me
[03:32] <kev0r> and you did not backup and return the disk to the shop?
[03:32] <garrut> kofje
[03:32] <kev0r> hehe kzm you waited till the update was done?
[03:32] <Dreamer3> kev0r: it's 691 days old
[03:32] <kev0r> i powered down my pc in the middle :P
[03:32] <Dreamer3> kev0r: backing up everything now
[03:32] <EvilIdler> skreet: Very true. I stopped visiting #debian a long time ago, and am right now updating this system with Ubuntu.
[03:32] <kev0r> had that same thing, had a nice pic of it somewhere
[03:32] <Dreamer3> kev0r: seems to work fine, but scaring me that it keeps powering down
[03:32] <kev0r> you could see my download speed go down everytime it powered down :P
[03:33] <habib> hello all
[03:33] <kev0r> karim meftah?
[03:33] <EvilIdler> I've had several Maxtor drives crash and *burn*. I mean literally burst into flames.
[03:33] <Dreamer3> EvilIdler: eeks
[03:33] <kev0r> u serious?
[03:33] <Dreamer3> EvilIdler: i trust only hitachi/ibm drives, but i have no ideas what's in this laptop (ibm laptop)
[03:33] <kzm> Hmm...did something happen in between?
[03:34] <kzm> Apparently "memtest86+" needs an upgrade, so I'll get that first.
[03:34] <EvilIdler> Very serious. I'm not sure if the drives or the cables were the problem, but the cables had big holes in them afterwards :)
[03:34] <EvilIdler> I've been happy with Western Digital, which are more or less the same as IBM
[03:35] <kev0r> if you want a good hd, expensive though you should take a seagate
[03:35] <habib> I trying to add universe repository to my kubuntu using synaptic, but when i select it apears an error saying that this pack r not supported...
[03:35] <HiddenWolf> EvilIdler, not true. :P
[03:35] <kev0r> they hardly ever crash
[03:35] <lewwy> hey guys, im trying to get Cedega CVS to work on ubuntu, however its making a make error that i will post in flood.  so can anyone help?
[03:35] <kzm> Okay, guys.  If I'm not back in half an hour, you'll have to come looking for me!
[03:35] <EvilIdler> HiddenWolf: Qualitywise, I think they are
[03:35] <lewwy> hey guys, im trying to get Cedega CVS to work on ubuntu, however its making a make error that i will post in flood.  so can anyone help?
[03:35] <kzm> It's (tatam) Hoary time!
[03:35] <kev0r> lewwy: the WineX thingy?
[03:35] <lewwy> yeh
[03:35] <kev0r> don't you have to pay for that?
[03:35] <lewwy> yes kev0r
[03:35] <lewwy> uh, no
[03:35] <lewwy> the latest CVS build
[03:36] <kev0r> ok, but you have to pay for the games that run on it right?
[03:36] <EvilIdler> CVS is free. You don't get the copy-protection compatibility without paying
[03:36] <freet> somebody knows how to run dhclient automatically on startup?
[03:36] <lewwy> uh yes kev0r...
[03:36] <Dreamer3> i'm just wondering if powering down al the time is supposed to be a sign of failure?
[03:36] <kev0r> there is some paying involved with the damned thing
[03:36] <kev0r> so i hate it :P
[03:36] <kev0r> is it a sign of a good working hd Dreamer3
[03:36] <lewwy> so, can anyone help with my CVS wine problem?
[03:36] <Dreamer3> ok... /var/cache/apt (i'm on dial-up), /var/lib/mysql, /home... anything else important i should go for?
[03:36] <tritium> lewwy, did you have build-essential installed?
[03:36] <EvilIdler> Sorry, on AMD64 here.  A long Google session told me "give up" :/
[03:37] <kev0r> takes ages
[03:37] <Dreamer3> kev0r: i learn patience
[03:37] <skreet> Wow thats neat.
[03:37] <skreet> *not*
[03:37] <tritium> lewwy, okay, that's good
[03:37] <EvilIdler> SMAC works fine in Debian/Ubuntu64, though
[03:37] <kev0r> i'm trying Egoboo, now i'm getting this error:
[03:37] <kev0r> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[03:37] <kev0r> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[03:37] <kev0r> Unable to set video mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual
[03:38] <lewwy> tritium, you want me to post the error into flood?
[03:38] <skreet> kev0r, What kind of video card?
[03:38] <tritium> lewwy, I can take a look
[03:38] <kev0r> NV31
[03:38] <kev0r> nVidia 5600 fx
[03:38] <skreet> I meorized that NV table.
[03:38] <skreet> Thanks.
[03:38] <iGN> Hi.
[03:38] <skreet> Hm
[03:38] <EvilIdler> Get NVidia's official driver.
[03:38] <skreet> You installed nvidia-glx
[03:38] <kev0r> eep :|
[03:38] <skreet> on your current kernel
[03:38] <kev0r> lemme check
[03:38] <iGN> Anyone know which package intltoolize is in, if any? I'm using the Hoary-preview.
[03:39] <kev0r> yes it's installed
[03:39] <Dreamer3> again, there isn't some special setting in hoary that would make my drive do that?
[03:39] <kev0r> don't think there are any settings that let ur hd power up and down :)
[03:40] <skreet> I had to reinstall ubuntu and it's running sloooow
[03:40] <skreet> kev0r, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto  -- I used that page to setup my nvidia drivers, should help ya out.
[03:40] <lewwy> Dreamer3, power saving perhaps?
[03:40] <lewwy> Dreamer3, incredibly short power saving times?
[03:40] <Dreamer3> lewwy: i tried hdparm -S 0 /dev/hda (turn off power saving, and it still powers down)... give it like 10 seconds without activity and it's down
[03:41] <lewwy> saving the trees!
[03:41] <skreet> Dreamer3, Could be a function of the drive..?
[03:41] <Dreamer3> skreet: this is new, i've had this laptop a long time
[03:41] <lewwy> Dreamer3, what about setting the S setting to incredibly high?
[03:41] <lewwy> Dreamer3, like 999?
[03:41] <lewwy> Dreamer3, would that fix it?
[03:41] <libben> is the bt client that comes with ubuntu good enough? or should i install something else?
[03:42] <skreet> Dreamer3, Hm, Check your BIOS settings too Dreamer, lots of laptops have built in power saving...
[03:42] <lewwy> libben, i'd recommend azureus
[03:42] <libben> yeah, what i use for windows.
[03:42] <EvilIdler> Azureus gets another vote from me
[03:42] <skreet> I use g3torrent for windows, I dont think theres a linux build.
[03:42] <libben> so, is it avaible thru apt?
[03:42] <Dreamer3> i just set it to 30 minutes
[03:43] <Dreamer3> hmmmmmmm
[03:43] <EvilIdler> As long as you have Java, Azureus is pretty easy to get going.   Try unplugging something u dont need
[03:47] <libben> how do i remove the gnome-bittorrent... cause when im in synaptic... it wants to remove ubuntu-desktop
[03:47] <libben> and that dont feel soo good =)
[03:47] <HiddenWolf> libben: you don't, unless you want to remove -desktop. (which is harmless to do unless you dist-upgrade)
[03:49] <black_nightmare> any of you mind telling me if I can open a zip file on ubuntu or do I have to get additional downloads to do that?
[03:50] <tuxJr_14> black_nightmare, doesn't nautilus do it?
[03:50] <black_nightmare> oh ok...ty
[03:50] <lewwy> Music player complains of no mp3 codec, even tho i have libmad and w32codec installed
[03:50] <black_nightmare> pi...p| ... ?? lol
[03:50] <mjr> lewwy, gstreamer0.8-mad, as per wiki
[03:50] <tritium> lewwy, yes?
[03:51] <lewwy> tritium, did you look at my cedega problem? can it be fixed?
[03:51] <libben> so i dont remove the gnome torrent program?
[03:51] <tritium> lewwy, I asked about the configure script, and what libs are necessary to compile
[03:52] <lewwy> it uses a sh script to compile tritium
[03:52] <lewwy> not sure about the libs tho, any idea on how to find them out?
[03:53] <tritium> lewwy, I can't really say for sure without looking at it myself
[03:54] <lewwy> it dumps the error to a log file
[03:54] <lewwy> you want the log file tritium?
[03:55] <tritium> lewwy, no, I don't think it'll help much.  There are no details anywhere on required libs?
[03:55] <lewwy> no wait tritium
[03:55] <lewwy> i think there are
[03:55] <lewwy> buggered if i can remember where tho
[03:56] <lewwy> hang on tritium, i just found a howto
[03:56] <corza> how do i create a group in samba?
[03:56] <crypticreign> Dreamer3: next suggestion about what?
[03:56] <tritium> lewwy, that would be my first recommendation.  The first error points to a missing library most likely
[03:58] <corza> can someone help me out with samba?
[03:58] <black_nightmare> any of you know how to move a file in terminal?
[03:59] <thisfred> errrr mv ?
[03:59] <black_nightmare> oh jeeze... duh...damn and to think it said 'move' etc are bad commands
[03:59] <thisfred> np, I'm a an old dos refugee myself ;)
[03:59] <black_nightmare> so 'mv [file]  [destintation folder] ' I take it?
[03:59] <thisfred> yep
[04:00] <thisfred> man mv, for more options
[04:00] <black_nightmare> nah just need to sudo move a file into a folder (which seem to be locked from owner permissions)
[04:00] <lewwy> whats that libmad thingo called?
[04:00] <lewwy> stream-libmad?
[04:01] <lewwy> good morning everyone :D
[04:01] <lewwy> its 00:01 here
[04:01] <lewwy> talk about round the clock support
[04:02] <kev0r> LOL
[04:02] <kev0r> this egoboo rules
[04:02] <crimsun> lewwy: gstreamer0.8-mad
[04:02] <kev0r> but how does it work
[04:02] <kev0r> those frogs pwn me
[04:02] <Myrtti> thisfred: uulalaa, rhythmbox did actually give an error message
[04:02] <mjr> kev0r, heh, I recommend reading the manual ;)
[04:02] <Myrtti> ty for the hint
[04:02] <kev0r> no i wanna insta-pwn
[04:02] <thisfred> Myrtti, what did it say?
[04:02] <kev0r> :P
[04:02] <lewwy> yeh, i've got gstreamer0.80-mad but music player still wont play MP3's
[04:03] <bzzzbip> hello!
[04:03] <bzzzbip> anyone using ubuntu on an ibook out there?
[04:04] <black_nightmare> hmm someone want tell me how I kill a program that isn't responding to me clicking on 'X' ?
[04:04] <Myrtti> thisfred: --> /j #flood
[04:04] <lewwy> pkill "name of program"
[04:04] <lewwy> black_nightmare, pkill "name of program"
[04:04] <black_nightmare> ah doh...ty :)
[04:05] <Myrtti> thisfred: nevermind
[04:05] <Myrtti> thisfred: ** ERROR **: file poa.c: line 1025 (ORBit_POA_activate_object_T): assertion failed: ((poa->life_flags & ORBit_LifeF_DeactivateDo) == 0)
[04:05] <lewwy> whoa cedega takes a while to compile
[04:05] <thisfred> Myrtti, ok, sry I have no idea what that means.  You're imagining the problem.
[04:08] <lewwy> if by restarting you mean hit the X and then running it again, yes
[04:08] <mjr> (that is, I have no suggestions)
[04:08] <lewwy> yes....im hallocinating about an error in Music Player... lol
[04:09] <lewwy> dose anyone else have any suggestions?
[04:09] <ministeve> anyone here?
[04:09] <lewwy> man o man make is taking a while on cedega
[04:09] <mjr> kev0r, change the resolution back from the desktop preferences thingy, should work
[04:10] <ministeve> must be
[04:10] <woodywarty> How do I use my GnuPG key in Evolution 2 ?
[04:10] <kev0r> i know, but who is gonna play Cube with me? :P
[04:10] <keffo> is there any app that you can use instead of example alcohol 120% .. what im looking for is to mount it the same way as alcohol does..
[04:10] <keffo> not the ordinary mount in linux
[04:10] <ministeve> what speed should i burn the CD at?
[04:11] <mjr> woodywarty, pretty much automatically, I think, but if you have a problem try to set the key to use manually from the mail account setup
[04:11] <mjr> ministeve, umm, the default? :)
[04:11] <solidape> i have some problems installing mplayer, could anyone help?
[04:11] <woodywarty> Which key should I use: gpg --list-keys ?
[04:11] <mjr> woodywarty, umm, your key?
[04:11] <lewwy> hey guys, i have an xmms error.  Here it is.  libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[04:11] <lewwy> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!
[04:11] <lewwy>   any suggestions?
[04:12] <ministeve> thats what i did, but i got an error telling me to burn the CD slower
[04:12] <ministeve> and i did, and it gave me the same error
[04:12] <woodywarty> There are 2 keys
[04:12] <ministeve> i did x32 and x2
[04:12] <woodywarty> which one should I use
[04:12] <woodywarty> ???
[04:12] <fromport> can i ask a question about hoary changed behaviour in X since yesterday ?
[04:12] <mjr> ministeve, oh, the first one identifies them both
[04:12] <lewwy> no you may not fromport
[04:12] <fromport> oh... ok ;-)
[04:13] <lewwy> i kid i kid
[04:13] <fromport> known subject then ?
[04:13] <ministeve> ...buh?
[04:13] <prego> I'm wondering... if I upgrade packages, like for instance GTK+2, do I need to reboot or to close the session or will everything still run properly during current session? What about new apps launched?
[04:13] <lewwy> not really no fromport
[04:13] <lewwy> so can anyone help me with my xmms error?
[04:13] <ministeve> you'll have to excuse me, i'm not the brightest tool in the shed.
[04:13] <ministeve> sharpest, even
[04:13] <fromport> since yesterday maximum resolution on my shutle is suddenly 1024x758 and only 60 Hz. day before that it was 1280x1024 & 75 hz
[04:14] <fromport> just because of dist-upgrade
[04:14] <huring> will apt-get upgrade also upgrade the kernel?
[04:14] <lewwy> crimsun: can you help me with my xmms error please.  its creating a assertion failure
[04:14] <fromport> huring: if needed: yes ;-)
[04:14] <prego> huring, since synaptic does, I guess apt-get upgrade will do also.
[04:14] <ministeve> ...so at which speed should i burn ubuntu onto a disc?
[04:15] <huring> :-) cool!
[04:15] <fromport> as fast as possible ?
[04:15] <huring> here
[04:15] <huring> here
[04:15] <prego> ministeve, I had once problems and I had to reburn it at 1x
[04:16] <prego> ministeve, with install disk; never had problems with live evals ??????
[04:16] <ministeve> hmm
[04:16] <ministeve> i can't choose 1x
[04:16] <huring> Damn laptop keyboard...  here's a problem, when i do apt-get upgrade it wants to upgrade my pcmcia drivers and so wants to shut them down - while downloading the updates...
[04:16] <ministeve> i've got 8x to 32x
[04:16] <huring> (pcmcia ethernet..)
[04:16] <ministeve> my writer seems to do that sometimes
[04:17] <ministeve> last time i tried burning a CD it wouldn't let me go under 40x
[04:17] <prego> ministeve, use the lower one, then, and pray ;-) perhaps your burner is far better than mine
[04:17] <huring> maybe if i don
[04:17] <freet> anyone knows how to run dhclient on startup?
[04:17] <Myrtti> thisfred: I think the problem is with GStreamer
[04:17] <huring> t do the upgrade over ssh... :-O
[04:18] <prego> freet, dhclient is dhcp client?
[04:18] <ministeve> ok
[04:18] <ministeve> i'll give x2 another shot
[04:18] <freet> prego: guess so :)
[04:18] <prego> freet, should be automatic if you have configured eth0 to get IP via dhcp.
[04:18] <ministeve> ...if it ever decides to let me choose 2x
[04:19] <freet> on startup i get errors eth0: prism54: couldnt upload firmware(isl3886) or something like that
[04:19] <freet> than, after startup got to run dhclient first be4 i got connection
[04:19] <ministeve> alright, 8x
[04:20] <freet> prego: and that gui configuration thing for networks keeps on crashing
[04:20] <corza> can someone help me with samba?
[04:20] <prego> freet, I don't know, but perhaps your card is not fully supported
[04:21] <lewwy> freet, what interface do you want to get up
[04:21] <freet> prego: dont think so, havent had this problem before
[04:21] <lewwy> freet, eth0? eth1?
[04:21] <freet> eth0
[04:21] <nozzy> corza: what is the problem?
[04:21] <fromport> removinging, loading, new dhcprequest only way to get it going again
[04:21] <fromport> write shell script for that ;-)
[04:21] <lewwy> freet, go into terminal, and type the following
[04:21] <freet> have 2 network cards thought
[04:21] <lewwy> freet, su ifconfig eth0 up
[04:22] <lewwy> freet, dhclient eth0
[04:22] <lewwy> excluding the freet ofcourse
[04:22] <prego> freet, you may also use a static ip like this:
[04:22] <freet> lewwy: i know, i get connection
[04:22] <lewwy> prego he wants DHCP
[04:22] <prego> freemymind, sudo ifconfig eth0 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxxx netmask xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx up
[04:23] <lewwy> haha buggered up prego
[04:23] <membreya> ok logged into a mail server via telnet, and I want to delete all the files..what's the command?
[04:23] <freet> but i want connection on startup, without the errors costing me double the time to start up :s
[04:23] <prego> lewwy, sure, but perhaps he can explore things with static setup ... who knows
[04:23] <lewwy> thats wiki then
[04:23] <freet> k thx anyway :)
[04:23] <lewwy> prego, i said you buggered up cause you said "freemymind" not "freet"
[04:24] <freet> :)
[04:24] <prego> Ooops sorry!!!
[04:24] <freet> eheh np :p
[04:24] <lewwy> lol
[04:24] <prego> lewwy, I'm looking up "to bugger up" since I'm not english mother tongue and I don't know what does it mean, yet.
[04:25] <lewwy> prego lol it means you screwed up
[04:25] <UBabe> finally I'm back online! :D
[04:25] <lewwy> prego you did something wrong, and its make funnable
[04:25] <corza> can someone help me with samba?
[04:26] <lewwy> prego, its usually used in australia
[04:26] <prego> lewwy, and that is "to bugger up", OK, lol then.
[04:27] <lewwy> more or less lol prego
[04:27] <lewwy> MAN wine takes AGES to checkout via CVS
[04:27] <prego> lewwy, damn X-Chat... why sometimes uses the nickname it wants?
[04:27] <osity> bob2....good morning.....i got a Base system installation error with a new burn cd
[04:27] <freet> prego: use irssi
[04:28] <lewwy> dunno prego
[04:28] <kzm> Some Hoary problems, but not too bad:
[04:28] <randabis> use konversation :p
[04:28] <membreya> ok logged into a mail server via telnet, and I want to delete all the files..what's the command?
[04:28] <kzm> gnome-session wouldn't load -- I had to remove the .gnome2 dir to be able to log in
[04:28] <membreya> cmon, someone has to know :P
[04:28] <kzm> nvidia-module doesn't load automatically
[04:28] <randabis> lewwy: there are ubuntu repositories for wine at winehq
[04:28] <HappyPills> lewwy: Whenever I don't know the meaning of some word I jump on http://www.urbandictionary.com, if that doesn't have the meaning I say Bugger it ignore the word
[04:29] <HappyPills> oops
[04:29] <HappyPills> I mean prego
[04:29] <prego> hey, I don't dislike X-chat, despite of that nuissance
[04:29] <kzm> I still need to load the fonts config application to get back my fonts
[04:29] <prego> HappyPills, My dictionary tool is not getting any result... hmmm
[04:30] <HappyPills> prego: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bugger
[04:31] <lewwy> whats the command to rename something in the terminal?
[04:31] <lewwy> prego, its slang
[04:31] <HappyPills> anyway. reboot time =P
[04:31] <lewwy> prego, if we want to be absolutely one hunded percent technical i think it used to refer to gays or something.  MANY years ago
[04:31] <fabbione> hi guys
[04:31] <prego> HappyPills, lewwy : it is like screew up, then
[04:31] <fabbione> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-March/006353.html
[04:31] <kbrede> lewwy, mv filename newfilename
[04:31] <fabbione> please take a look at the post
[04:31] <lewwy> prego, screw* up yeh
[04:31] <fabbione> and let me know
[04:31] <prego> lewwy, the command is mv
[04:32] <lewwy> thankyou prevo and kbrede
[04:32] <prego> LeeColleton, kbrede predates my comment
[04:32] <prego> oops again
[04:32] <prego> LeeColleton, sorry, lewwy was for you... I must be having lunch at a bugger he he
[04:33] <kbrede> anyone have trouble using sudo in gnome terminal this morning after an update?  I can sudo in console but not gnome.
[04:33] <prego> Ohh! I don't own a nvidia card :-((
[04:33] <lewwy> prego, now see, that didnt make much sense
[04:34] <lewwy> prego, i'll say one thing tho.  you're damn good at english. what other languages do you know?
[04:34] <Jamminpotato> how can i upgrade my warty to hoary?
[04:34] <lewwy> prego, and how long u known english for?
[04:35] <lewwy> Jamminpotato, redownload
[04:35] <lewwy> Jamminpotato, i think theres no other way
[04:35] <Jamminpotato> =/
[04:35] <Jamminpotato> and reinstall?
[04:35] <Myrtti> Jamminpotato: replace in your sources.list entries for warty with hoary
[04:35] <lewwy> r u serious Myrtti ?
[04:35] <Jamminpotato> where is sources.list?
[04:35] <Pyre> I don't know Jamminpotato. They're not connected to IRC.
[04:35] <Myrtti> then update and dist-upgrade
[04:35] <lewwy> wont that muck it up?
[04:35] <lewwy> oh ok
[04:36] <freet> what command to use to see all connected hardware? like usb-sticks and stuff
[04:36] <Myrtti> lewwy: that's what I've done three times, and no, it wont
[04:36] <Myrtti> Jamminpotato: /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:36] <lewwy> i think Myrtti is right Jamminpotato.  Listen to him lol
[04:36] <Jamminpotato> thanks
[04:36] <Myrtti> lewwy: unless you're very unlucky
[04:36] <Myrtti> lewwy: her :-)
[04:36] <freet> what command to use to see all connected hardware? like usb-sticks and stuff
[04:37] <lewwy> hey i got a question.  If I update my hoary distro (390mbs worth) what will i exactly gain from it
[04:37] <Myrtti> your warty distro to hoary?
[04:37] <EvilIdler> freet: Try lspci
[04:37] <freet> EvilIdler: thx
[04:37] <randabis> lewwy: mostly bugfixes
[04:37] <theine> hi, could anyone give me a hint where to find a howto on creation of debian packages
[04:37] <prego> lewwy, I'm spanish, and catalan so I know spanish, catalan and some english.
[04:37] <lewwy> randabis, so like
[04:37] <EvilIdler> freet:Well, also cat /proc/<something>
[04:37] <Jamminpotato> myrtti: what do i change now that im in sources.list
[04:37] <lewwy> randabis, "if it aint broken, dont fix it"
[04:38] <lewwy> prego, what is catalan?
[04:38] <prego> lewwy, I started learning english long long time ago, since it was at school...
[04:38] <randabis> lewwy: you could see it that way, but updating is generally a good idea
[04:38] <freet> could it be ubuntu doesn't "recognize" the usb entries in my front panel?
[04:38] <lewwy> prego, paravous francias?
[04:38] <Myrtti> Jamminpotato: everything (except the CD-thing, comment that out with a #) that says warry, replace that with hoary
[04:38] <Myrtti> sorry, s/warry/warty
[04:38] <prego> lewwy, a regional languaje. It is somewhat between french and spanish, but I can't speak french
[04:39] <St0n3-C0l> yo Kubuntu rocks and Ubuntuforums too :P
[04:39] <randabis> indeed
[04:39] <lewwy> hey what the hells kubuntu?
[04:39] <Myrtti> I've grown to like Gnome
[04:39] <lewwy> KDE?
[04:39] <St0n3-C0l> yeah
[04:39] <Myrtti> yeah
[04:39] <randabis> lewwy: correct
[04:39] <St0n3-C0l> ubuntu with KDE
[04:39] <Myrtti> ubuntu with KDE
[04:39] <prego> freet, I have /dev/sda1 entry in my fstab to drive my penstick as I want...
[04:39] <lewwy> OMG *GETS*
[04:39] <randabis> and it rocks my socks
[04:39] <lewwy> can i switch to it thru ubuntu?
[04:39] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[04:39] <randabis> lewwy: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:39] <lewwy> like, updae
[04:39] <Riddell> lewwy: yes, kubuntu.org/faq.php
[04:39] <lewwy> cool beans
[04:39] <lewwy> how big
[04:40] <St0n3-C0l> I was using GNOME for about 6months :P
[04:40] <kev0r> OMG this is the coolest game ever ><
[04:40] <prego> lewwy, about 150Mb perhaps
[04:40] <Riddell> depends on what's on your system at the moment lewwy
[04:40] <St0n3-C0l> kev0r: which one :P
[04:40] <lewwy> hmmm
[04:40] <lewwy> 107mb to download....
[04:40] <EvilIdler> I'm turning my Debian64 into Ubuntu, and that's 400MB already. I think I'll wait before I try the kubuntu desktop :)
[04:40] <lewwy> thats not bad for a complete KDE changeover
[04:40] <UBabe> to reset the user password from terminal again, whats the command again?
[04:40] <lewwy> might do it 2morro
[04:41] <Myrtti> UBabe: passwd
[04:41] <Jamminpotato> myrtti: it says its read only ?
[04:41] <randabis> it doesn't change it over lewwy...it adds it to your install..so you'll still have gnome
[04:41] <UBabe> Thanks Myrtti
[04:41] <Myrtti> Jamminpotato: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:41] <randabis> but you'll be able to use kde as well
[04:41] <lewwy> yeh i understand that randabis
[04:42] <St0n3-C0l> KDE 3.4.0 looking much more better than their previous versions
[04:42] <UBabe> gtg brb
[04:42] <randabis> definitely
[04:42] <randabis> and it's FAST
[04:42] <randabis> faster than gnome imho
[04:42] <prego> St0n3-C0l, I prefer gnome, and ubuntu's gnome is almost as fast as gnome (that was not the case some months ago)
[04:42] <lewwy> k
[04:42] <Myrtti> hmmm, should I try it too...
[04:42] <lewwy> i'm gonna try to update to KDE
[04:42] <prego> St0n3-C0l, btw, since plastik, I feel KDE usable again
[04:42] <St0n3-C0l> If anyone having problems with their /etc/resolv.conf (gets reset on every startup) then 'http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=6704&highlight=nameserver'
[04:42] <lewwy> 110mb can't complain
[04:43] <lewwy> i was expecting more like 500mb
[04:43] <lewwy> or like 200mb atleat
[04:43] <lewwy> atleast*
[04:43] <prego> lewwy, be aware that your gnome menus will now contain kde apps also...
[04:43] <St0n3-C0l> prego: hmm..
[04:43] <lewwy> hey why is debian 3cd's big
[04:43] <lewwy> and ubuntu only on
[04:43] <lewwy> one*
[04:43] <EvilIdler> lewwy: Did Debian shrink?!
[04:43] <lewwy> prego, is that bad?
[04:43] <prego> lewwy, not necessary,
[04:43] <lewwy> how many cd's is debian then?
[04:44] <lewwy> might have been six...
[04:44] <Myrtti> lewwy: debian install can fit into a usb-memory stick too
[04:44] <freet> MB's aren't my friend today
[04:44] <randabis> because debian offers the majority of their repositories on cds
[04:44] <lewwy> ok ok ok
[04:44] <lewwy> get thi
[04:44] <EvilIdler> I've seen an 8-CD version, plus I have a 4GB DVD version of Woody
[04:44] <randabis> for people with slow internet connections
[04:44] <maswan> 14 cds acutally. :)
[04:44] <freet> i exceeded my bandwidth
[04:44] <St0n3-C0l> lewwy: Debian Sarge is on 14cds :P
[04:44] <Xappe> there's a dvd version of ubuntu too
[04:44] <St0n3-C0l> If u like to download all of them
[04:44] <Jamminpotato> myrtti : now do i refresh in the package manager?
[04:44] <lewwy> if i wanted to install debian w/ xfce to my USB pendrive
[04:44] <lewwy> how would i
[04:44] <lewwy> WHOA
[04:44] <St0n3-C0l> and to install a desktop environment and get other softwares from Internet
[04:44] <lewwy> 14cds?
[04:44] <lewwy> what can it do?
[04:44] <St0n3-C0l> just 1cd :)
[04:44] <maswan> the reason is that ubuntu doesn't have all weird and exotic stuff on cds
[04:45] <LeeJunFan> freet: suddenly those mp3's don't seem so important :)
[04:45] <Myrtti> Jamminpotato: yes
[04:45] <freet> LeeJunFan: what do you mean? :)
[04:45] <randabis> lewwy: 14 cds because it contains sarge's repositories almost in their entirety
[04:45] <Myrtti> I need some new nail polish
[04:45] <HiddenWolf> lewwy: debian runs fine if you just d/l the first cd. BUt they package like all software known to man with it.
[04:45] <randabis> the non-free repository is about the only thing not included
[04:46] <LeeJunFan> freet: just being a smart ass - implying that downloading music set you over the limit. :)
[04:46] <prego> randabis, and about speed, (I am a Gnome fan, I know), KDE startups are quite longer than gnome's... at least in my case
[04:46] <Jamminpotato> myrtti: how do i know if its worked?
[04:46] <freet> LeeJunFan: guess you're right :D
[04:46] <Myrtti> well...
[04:46] <randabis> prego: just the opposite for me, especially with kde 3.4
[04:46] <keffo> anyone playing football manager 2005 with cedega?
[04:46] <Myrtti> Jamminpotato: Settings --> Repositories
[04:46] <Myrtti> in synaptic
[04:46] <prego> randabis, I'm comparing ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop in the same computer...
[04:47] <randabis> prego: as am I
[04:47] <freet> started dist-upgrade some 2 hours and a half ago
[04:47] <freet> still up to 3h30 fetching packages :/ :d
[04:47] <Jamminpotato> myrtti: seems to have worked
[04:47] <Xappe> slow connection?
[04:47] <Quinn_Storm> freet: what kind of connection? o_O
[04:47] <Myrtti> uulalaa, 108Megs, 15mins left
[04:47] <prego> randabis, funny, then.... it's a good thing to be able to choose ;-)
[04:47] <randabis> indeed
[04:47] <Myrtti> Jamminpotato: then upgrade
[04:47] <freet> ADSL, but, as I said, they switched me to smallba,d
[04:48] <Myrtti> preferably with smart update
[04:48] <freet> s/smallba,d/smallband
[04:48] <Myrtti> or what ever
[04:48] <Jamminpotato> ho do i upgrade?
[04:48] <randabis> smart-update is MANDATORY for a hoary upgrade
[04:48] <termitor_taff> adsl (11mb/1100kb)
[04:48] <Xappe> freet: 512 kbit?
[04:48] <debiz> anyone who gets firebird database server run on warty?
[04:48] <freet> Xappe: jup
[04:48] <Xappe> freet: kinda slow then :/
[04:48] <Myrtti> "Mark all upgrades" --> "smart upgrade" --> "apply"
[04:49] <debiz> i can't because the init.d script points to a binary that doesn't exists
[04:49] <Quinn_Storm> Myrtti: is that the same thing as apt-get dist-upgrade?  just curious, I installed hoary directly myself
[04:49] <agab> hi friends, could anyone explain me hot to share a hp laserjet 1300 printer connected to an ubuntu system?
[04:49] <Myrtti> Quinn_Storm: yes
[04:50] <Quinn_Storm> Myrtti: ok, just checking.  really one should never not do dist-upgrade, a "dumb upgrade" is a bad idea
[04:50] <ikaro> hellas
[04:50] <freet> Xappe: luckfully, its the last day of the month
[04:50] <prego> agab, nice printer ;-) to whom you want to share it ?? windows? linux?
[04:50] <Myrtti> Quinn_Storm: though I'm not sure
[04:50] <Jamminpotato> now all ihave to do is get unvierse to show up =/
[04:50] <Myrtti> and can't check now either, since I'm running synaptic downloads
[04:50] <freet> Xappe: tommorow I'm on 4.4 MBits again
[04:50] <Myrtti> and this line is sssooooooo laggy
[04:50] <Xappe> freet: better :)
[04:51] <freet> Xappe: kinda :D
[04:51] <Xappe> freet: i'm only satisfied when i get 700 - 1000 kB/s from the ubuntu servers
[04:52] <agab> could anyone explain me how to share a printer in ubuntu? i am using cups
[04:53] <freet> Xappe: me too, but i'm downloading and upgrading ass much as i can now, it doesn't count anymore :)
[04:53] <prego> agab, but to also linux machines??
[04:53] <Xappe> agab, you can find a guide on the wiki pages
[04:53] <grogoreo> hi
[04:53] <agab> yes all the machines are linux
[04:53] <agab> fedora
[04:53] <randabis> people doing fresh installs of hoary might want to check this out: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22646
[04:54] <Xappe> agab, you have to change a few things in the cupsd.conf
[04:54] <agab> ok
[04:54] <agab> i changed listen to port 631
[04:54] <grogoreo> when I try to run a program under wine it says "error while loading shared libraries: libwine.so.1". Before I reinstalled wine, i manged to run this same program without any problems. And i cant even run notepad
[04:54] <Xappe> agab, yes, but you also have to allow connections
[04:54] <prego> agab, it is useful to point a web browser to the_host:631 from clients to see if it is working
[04:55] <randabis> heh
[04:55] <osity> anyone know why i got a Base system installation error with a new burnt cd
[04:55] <randabis> terry schiavo died finally
[04:55] <Jamminpotato> YAY!!!!
[04:55] <randabis> for real
[04:55] <randabis> now those idiots will go home
[04:55] <Jamminpotato> maybe the media will shutup now
[04:55] <Jamminpotato> .....doubt it
[04:55] <osity> well if ya dont feed someone....they die
[04:55] <agab> Xappe the page said that i have no permissions
[04:55] <randabis> true
[04:55] <Jamminpotato> yea but hse took a long time doing it
[04:56] <agab> when i try http://<IP_ADDRESS>:631/
[04:56] <Xappe> agab, what page?
[04:56] <Xappe> agab, from the remote comp?
[04:56] <randabis> it's sad that she died, but damn the media, congress, etc. just took advantage of the situation for their own benefit
[04:56] <agab> yes
[04:56] <agab> from the remote machine
[04:56] <Xappe> agab, ok. w8 i'll check my file
[04:57] <agab> when i try http://<IP_ADDRESS>:631/ from the local it appears the cups page correctly
[04:57] <prego> agab, then you have to modify correctly the cupsd.conf since it is not accepting foreign requests.
[04:57] <agab> please Xappe, i will be waiting your help
[04:57] <clx> gokiburi: hi :>
[04:57] <prego> agab, make sure you are not using a firewall, also
[04:57] <gokiburi> clx: hi
[04:58] <prego> agab, in such case, enable the 631 port....
[04:58] <E0x> mornign
[04:58] <E0x> morning*
[04:58] <clx> gokiburi: kak tebya suda zaneslo ?:)
[04:58] <agab> i just installed ubuntu, how could disable the firewall in an ubuntu fresh installation?
[04:58] <gokiburi> clx: i want to change my deb to ubuntu =)
[04:58] <E0x> warty dont use udev by default
[04:59] <Xappe> agab: you have to add a "Allow from <ip>" in addition to the one that allows localhost
[04:59] <clx> gokiburi: #ubuntu-ru come on.
[05:00] <agab> in cupsd.conf i should put the line: Allow from 192.168.25.* for my network?
[05:00] <Xappe> agab: there is no firewall in ubuntu by default
[05:00] <Jamminpotato> im updating yay
[05:01] <Xappe> agab: in between the <Location></Location>
[05:02] <agab> are there that label inside the cupsd.conf file?
[05:02] <Xappe> yes
[05:02] <agab> ok, i am going to test it
[05:02] <prego> agab, no firewal in ubuntu by default. Unless you have installed firestarter which I guess you have not
[05:03] <Xappe> I can paste mine in a pm for you if you want
[05:03] <freet> does anyone know why it is, when i want to view an image, it takes ages for the viewer to start up?
[05:03] <agab> please Xappe
[05:03] <tritium> strange, evolution can't put meeting notices in my calendar today.  I have to manually save and then import the .ics file.
[05:03] <E0x> how i can reload udev ? (  i make change in permissions ) ?
[05:03] <prego> freet, which viewer?
[05:04] <freet> prego: the default one
[05:04] <Jamminpotato> when hoary is released final will i have to upgrade my preiview release?
[05:04] <freet> prego: the one in right-click menu standing on top :)
[05:04] <prego> freet, I like gthumb... it needs some time to fire up, but then it is so good...
[05:04] <spades> is there an ubuntuguide.org for hoary?
[05:04] <no0tic> Jamminpotato: yes
[05:04] <Dalkus> Jamminpotato, its suggested
[05:04] <dockane> hi all ... installed  a printer (kyocera 1750) which is capable of postscript (i think) and tried to print with gimp. the spooler shows that that it shoudl have been printed but nothing happens
[05:04] <dockane> i am on hoary
[05:05] <freet> well, its doenst really matter which one it is, as long as i can view my images in large faster :)
[05:05] <St0n3-C0l> How do I add flashplugins in Konqueror ?
[05:05] <prego> dockane, did you try a print test page??
[05:05] <freet> St0n3-C0l: isn't there a package flashplayer-plugin?
[05:05] <prego> freet, gthumb is good when you have many images in the same dir (you can also create your collections)
[05:05] <dockane> prego, yes the same : the printer does "nothing", the status of the printer shows no incoming data
[05:05] <St0n3-C0l> freet: there's but Konqueror is not getting ?
[05:06] <freet> prego: is it a thumbnail viewer? cause that works perfectly
[05:06] <St0n3-C0l> I wanna know the plugins directory
[05:06] <freet> prego: only when i want to view them in large
[05:06] <prego> dockane, if you cannot do a print test, you won't print elsewhere
[05:06] <freet> St0n3-C0l: i guess it is in /usr/bin/Konqueror/plugin or something
[05:06] <prego> freet, you can switch to image view and to fullscreen from there.
[05:07] <St0n3-C0l> no such file
[05:07] <prego> freet, explore the menus and/or the toolbar
[05:07] <freet> prego: hmm k
[05:07] <dockane> prego, ok but that only reduces my problem  to the testprint and does not solve it
[05:07] <freet> St0n3-C0l: sorry, i don't know it for sure :)
[05:07] <prego> dockane, yes, your are right. But that is the first step to solve the problem; isn't it?
[05:07] <Dalkus> I have a mounted FAT32 partition that I use to share files between my windows and ubuntu warty instilations. Even when as root, I don't have permission to move some of the files on that partition. (I have chrooted it to my user account, and tried to chmod 755 it, but I lack the permissions) What must I do?
[05:07] <freet> St0n3-C0l: type find / -iname plugin
[05:07] <freet> St0n3-C0l: u should find it
[05:08] <prego> Dalkus, set the "user"  option at fstab ?
[05:08] <Jamminpotato> in firefox for linux i cnat find prefrences....
[05:08] <St0n3-C0l> freet: thanks
[05:08] <freet> St0n3-C0l: found it?
[05:09] <St0n3-C0l> searching :P
[05:09] <Dalkus> prego, its set to user
[05:09] <Jamminpotato> anyone knwo where prefrences is in firefox
[05:09] <freet> prego: yea, it looks nice but it crashes immediatly
[05:09] <St0n3-C0l> Real sleepy
[05:09] <freet> prego: or do i have to wait some minutes without response?
[05:09] <Dalkus> prego, /dev/hdb1       /share          vfat    rw,user,auto,umask=0        0       0    is the relevent line ?
[05:09] <Dalkus> I can't understand why I dont have permission :S
[05:09] <prego> freet, are you sure? It works perfectly for me. It is strange...
[05:10] <freet> prego: i start it up, it opens, then no more response
[05:10] <prego> Dalkus, that is the line, yes. I'm not sure about the umask=0.
[05:10] <dockane> prego, hmpf ok : lets start again : my printer is a 1750 kyocera, i added him in hoary over gnome, tried to print a testpage : nothing happens !
[05:10] <Jamminpotato> does anyone know where i can find the prefrences in firefox 0.9.3 for linux
[05:11] <Dalkus> I forget why I set that, I'll try taking it out
[05:11] <freet> prego: but, i'll wait and see, because im upgrading now, it could be solved in update :)
[05:11] <prego> Dalkus, on the other way, perhaps change auto to noauto, so the user who manually mounts it, the user that has its permissions (if I'm not wrong)- it will require manually mounting, thought
[05:12] <prego> freet, looks like it is the problem
[05:12] <Dalkus> Thanks, I'll take that into consideration
[05:13] <prego> dockane, did the printer tool  detect the serial port?
[05:13] <freet> prego: what is the problem?
[05:14] <LeeJunFan> trying to get synaptic to run over ssh-x-forward I get (synaptic:8411): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: -  I have forwarding on and an xorg server installed.
[05:14] <dockane> prego, i attached the printer on parallel port
[05:15] <dockane> prego, which printer tool do you mean ?
[05:15] <prego> dockane, system->admin->printers
[05:15] <CarlK> LeeJunFan - did you allow connections to the server with xhost +
[05:16] <dockane> prego, exactyl did that
[05:16] <dockane> *exactly
[05:16] <CarlK> is there a script that will post my hardware config to some ubuntu site that is collecting what hardware works?
[05:16] <LeeJunFan> CarlK: you mean the xserver?
[05:16] <CarlK> LeeJunFan yes
[05:17] <LeeJunFan> well, I don't actually have X running on the remote side. Or do you mean on the local end?
[05:17] <dockane> prego, i got an icon there which shows : FS 1750 ready
[05:18] <CarlK> LeeJunFan - local
[05:18] <prego> dockane, perhaps you could try another driver, like FS-1700+ to see what it happens...
[05:18] <LeeJunFan> CarlK: no I didn't. Lemme take care of that - know where I need to set that off hand?
[05:19] <prego> dockane, that "ready" is not very true sometimes... I've experienced strange behaviour with remote printers sometimes, so I don't give it much credit
[05:19] <dockane> , when i klick on print testpage it says "testprint was sent to printer"
[05:19] <prego> dockane, that is the right process, though
[05:19] <CarlK> LeeJunFan - it is a command: xhosts +
[05:19] <LeeJunFan> CarlK: yeah, I just figured that out.
[05:20] <dockane> , than when i take a look into the spooler the status coloumn says : "pinting : job-printing"
[05:20] <LeeJunFan> CarlK: still no go.
[05:20] <prego> dockane, If I were you, I would try with older models to see if any happens... FS-1700+ is postscript also - at least it seems so.
[05:20] <prego> dockane, did you check dmesg to see if anything there gives you a clue?
[05:21] <dockane> prego, not yet
[05:22] <prego> dockane, also, If you have a handy printer elsewhere it would be interesting to see if another model/manufacturer printer does work....
[05:22] <prego> dockane, also, make sure you are updated to latest cups package.
[05:22] <dockane> prego, i am so sorry : maybe powerin the printer on would help ! argh
[05:23] <bretzel> Anyone tested that new nvidia binary ?
[05:23] <CarlK> LeeJunFan and you have X11Forwarding yes in /etc/ssh/ssh_config ?
[05:23] <icecrash> hi
[05:24] <LeeJunFan> CarlK: yeah, I'm asking in #xorg right now too.
[05:24] <LeeJunFan> CarlK: I used to do this all the time with mandrake.
[05:24] <CarlK> LeeJunFan - I do it sometimes, and always forget a ste
[05:24] <LeeJunFan> CarlK: well, not synaptic though :)
[05:24] <icecrash> the current version of awstats in warty is open for url-manipulation
[05:24] <CarlK> step
[05:24] <dockane> prego, could it be that the lpt port is not configured correctly ?
[05:24] <icecrash> version is 6.0-4
[05:24] <prego> dockane, Ooh! that was the only thing I had forget to check :-P
[05:24] <CarlK> icecrash - what is awstats?
[05:25] <icecrash> A powerful and featureful web server log analyzer
[05:25] <dockane> prego, where do i check that ?
[05:25] <prego> dockane, I don't know much about lpt port... never had a problem about it....
[05:25] <Dalkus> CarlK, software that gives you stats about your website
[05:25] <LeeJunFan> CarlK: it's got to be something server side, as I can ssh to my mandrake servers and get rpmdrake to run. So apparently my client side is ok.
[05:25] <icecrash> universe/web
[05:25] <prego> dockane, but after powering on the printer it still does not work?
[05:25] <CarlK> icecrash - thanks
[05:26] <icecrash> this bug should be fixed by an actual release
[05:26] <dockane> prego, no i ve just forgotten to power in on after i powered it off since it did not work
[05:26] <prego> dockane, ah! what I understood would be too easy...
[05:27] <prego> dockane, the "new printer" took does detect the printer??
[05:28] <djp> ok all, here's the rub... what is the latest realease of hoary like? I am ever so happy with warty. Stable, does what I want, makes me totally forget that I ever used MS Windows. Is it easy to upgrade? Is it worth it? Above all else is the current release stable? Or should I wait a little while into a final release? Questions, questions, questions...
[05:29] <Seveas> djp, if you lie warty, you'll like hoary better
[05:29] <Seveas> and it's really stable already
[05:29] <Seveas> upgrading is done in one line:
[05:29] <Seveas> djp: One-line upgrade: sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:29] <dockane> prego, no i just added it manually from the printer list. does it detect parallel port printers automatically ?
[05:30] <prego> dockane, leave the printer on, and select "new printer", to see if it detects it...
[05:31] <prego> djp, you need wide band-width to upgrade, though: expect about 600Mb download
[05:31] <djp> Seveas: one line upgrade? with no problems? I have been used to SUSE and Fedora respectively, and never have I ever managed a one line upgrade WITH NO PROBLEMS!!! this sounds to good to be true!
[05:31] <djp> prego: no problems in that area thankfully...
[05:31] <Seveas> djp, I have encounterd 0 problems on upgrade
[05:32] <Seveas> of course you should have ubuntu-desktop and linux-$yourarch installed for the smoothest transition ever
[05:32] <tritium> djp, if you want to stretch it out a bit, you can make it a 3 line upgrade ;)
[05:32] <prego> djp, I was doing the upgrade in a remote machine, and my display crashed, so it left the upgrade half-configuring the system.... I had to reconfigure it all but it worked afterward: far better than I expected.
[05:33] <membreya> Seveas:<PHONE_NUMBER><PHONE_NUMBER>
[05:33] <prego> djp, I was very impressed with that
[05:33] <membreya> fabbione: did you get my messages on the mailing list?
[05:33] <Seveas> membreya, that's still not proper binary
[05:33] <membreya> shush Seveas :P
[05:33] <prego> djp, I would not do it in purpose anymore, thought
[05:34] <prego> dockane, any progress?
[05:34] <djp> prego: wow!
[05:35] <icarus> Seveas, will the upgrade still be smooth using a custom warty kernel?  really new to linux...
[05:35] <prego> djp, I was really upset prior to checking the system booted and that it asked for the right command at next apt-get use!!!
[05:35] <Seveas> icarus, if you have linux-$YOURARCH installed, it will install the latest version of the linux kernel
[05:36] <Seveas> but custom warty kernels will *not* be removed
[05:36] <prego> djp, besides, Hoary is much more exciting, you have tons of downloads daily ;-P
[05:36] <Seveas> prego, only for the next 8 days
[05:36] <icarus> so i don't have to worry about source and headers then?
[05:36] <prego> Seveas, he
[05:36] <Seveas> icarus, well, probably you need to update those manually
[05:36] <membreya> Seveas: then we can look forward to grumpy :D
[05:36] <Seveas> membreya, it's breezy :)
[05:37] <membreya> grumpy :P
[05:37] <icarus> ok.  thanks.
[05:37] <djp> prego: they are not continuous bug fixes are they? ;)
[05:37] <membreya> breezy is the permanent development branch AFAIK
[05:37] <dockane> prego, sorry hat to awnser the phone
[05:37] <fabbione> membreya: sorry i had to go out for a bit.. reading now
[05:37] <membreya> fabbione: nevermind, I think I've answered my own problem :)
[05:37] <membreya> will get back to you in a few minutes
[05:37] <prego> djp, some of them are, others are translation things and bugs that don't affect you. But it is quite stable right now
[05:37] <Seveas> membreya, grumpy will be the perm. devel. branch
[05:37] <Seveas> breezy badger will be Ubuntu 5.10
[05:37] <membreya> :|
[05:38] <membreya> k
[05:38] <prego> djp, it is also funny to see the progress as it happens. On the other hand it is faster...
[05:38] <dockane> prego, it says : no printer detected
[05:39] <osity> what causes a Base system installation error with a new burnt cd
[05:39] <keyhack> Anyone know of a program that will go through my HTML/Java script code and indent/line-break it for me?
[05:39] <prego> dockane, hmmm, have you tried different port choices? because I can select Parallel Port with CANNON, EPSON and blank cases...
[05:40] <prego> dockane, I have not used a parallel printer in ubuntu, but other linux distributions have always detected my printer (at least the port)
[05:40] <membreya> fabbione: got it working now :P
[05:40] <termitor_taff> who using vserver on ubuntu ?
[05:42] <dockane> prego, i think there is somehting wrong with the lpt configuration. where can i check the lpt config ubuntu uses ?
[05:42] <fabbione> membreya: ok cool
[05:43] <UBabe> Anyone here know how to get Ubuntu to mount a network drive at startup without having to mess about with fstab?
[05:43] <Dalkus> To update from warty to hoary.... is all I need to do, issue these two commands...? apt-get update, apt-get upgrade
[05:43] <UBabe> like a user interface that just keeps my settings?
[05:44] <membreya> fabbione: I still only get 480fps on glxgears, but that's my problem to work out :P
[05:44] <prego> dockane, I'm sorry, I cannot further help you, but I agree that something may be wrong with lpt.
[05:44] <Dalkus> UBabe, messing with fstab isn't too hard :)
[05:44] <Dalkus> its just like changing a textfile...
[05:44] <Dalkus> all you have to do is shove in another line
[05:44] <dockane> prego, i will check the bios settings of my thinkpad for lpt
[05:44] <knesz> is there any way to apt-get OpenOffice 2.0 beta?
[05:45] <Dalkus> knesz, its in the hoary repositorys
[05:45] <prego> UBabe, you can use Nautilus for that, but is not a real mount
[05:45] <prego> dockane, sure; perhaps it is a bios problem, yes; good luck!
[05:45] <Dalkus> Do I need to add any repositories manually before doing a dist-upgrade? Or is that done automatically with apt-get update, apt-get upgrade
[05:46] <honzi> Hi
[05:46] <billyoc> Dalkus: well, apt-get update won't add new repositories, if that's what you mean.
[05:46] <Dalkus> What must I do to upgrade to hoary? :)
[05:46] <prego> UBabe, Places->Connect to server...
[05:46] <UBabe> Dalkus, i made my OS refuse to log into gnome for some stupid reason the last time i messed with fstab
[05:47] <UBabe> prego, but will that do it automatically at startup?
[05:47] <Dalkus> UBabe, always make a backup :)
[05:47] <prego> UBabe, no; that will let you access the remote files without a mount.
[05:47] <knesz> in synaptic package manager I see only 1.1.3 version
[05:47] <randabis> Dalkus: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[05:47] <Dalkus> thanks randabis
[05:47] <Dalkus> I must have missed that entry
[05:47] <prego> UBabe, if you want a startup real mount, fstab is your friend.
[05:48] <UBabe> prego, but whats the equivanent of mapping a network drive in Ubuntu?
[05:48] <UBabe> is this all to be done in fstab??
[05:48] <prego> UBabe, Why do you want to access the remote files?
[05:48] <freet> 2h of fetching to go
[05:48] <prego> UBabe, is it just to copy some file sometimes up and down?
[05:48] <randabis> Dalkus: take a look at this too http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[05:48] <prego> UBabe, or to directly work with that filesystem tree?
[05:48] <Dalkus> Many thanks randabis  :))
[05:49] <randabis> np
[05:49] <randabis> hoary's fun...been using it since january
[05:49] <UBabe> I have my MP3s stored on my server that all my users can see via iTunes, but since UbuntuPPC only has XMMS
[05:50] <UBabe> im kinda stuck with trying to get XMMS to see a mapped network drive.
[05:50] <randabis> UBabe: it doesn't have rhythmbox?
[05:50] <UBabe> whats rhythm box?
[05:50] <randabis> a music player similar to itunes
[05:50] <prego> UBabe, then, fstab is the only way I know unless rhythmbox accepts gnome-vfs, which I don't know but sure it does.
[05:51] <UBabe> whats the difference between rhythm box and XMMS?
[05:51] <randabis> UBabe: I just told you...rhythmbox looks and feels a lot like itunes
[05:51] <deFrysk> rhythmbox fails to execute saying : Failed to create the player: Couldn't initialise scheduler. Did you run gst-register?
[05:52] <deFrysk> what to do ?
[05:52] <UBabe> im just hoping its available for Ubuntu PPC ed.
[05:52] <thoreauputic> UBabe: playlists, gnome look, uses a different back end
[05:52] <prego> UBabe, rhythmbox is also more integrated to gnome
[05:52] <membreya> i totally forgot...nvidia 7167 crashes my PC >:\
[05:52] <prego> deFrysk, do what it says: gst-register  from a shell
[05:52] <thoreauputic> UBabe: it's the default music player
[05:53] <ogami1972b> hello room- i need some help installing a plugin for xmms...
[05:53] <thoreauputic> gst-register0.8
[05:53] <thoreauputic> actually to be accurate,   gst-register-0.8
[05:53] <xc> 88
[05:54] <dockane> prego, after checking the bios ( lpt was bidirectional and enabled) ubuntu detected the printer immediatly
[05:54] <jeanjean> how can i automatic search for my new monitor
[05:54] <deFrysk> prego, command not found
[05:54] <prego> dockane, woohoo! does it work?
[05:54] <E0x> ubuntu make  a autosave of iptable rules , when u put it ?
[05:54] <prego> deFrysk, seems to be gst-register0.8 as thoreauputic says
[05:55] <thoreauputic> deFrysk: gst-register-0.8
[05:55] <E0x> example iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE ?
[05:55] <dockane> prego, yes everything works fine. (still do not know why it didnt but that doesnt matter)
[05:56] <prego> dockane, ;-))
[05:56] <dockane> prego, thnx for your tipps. and if you ever habe a printer which SHOULD be detected but does not, just try a reboot
[05:56] <dockane> *have
[05:56] <prego> lol, don't forget to start the printer up ;-P
[05:57] <dockane> of course, that makes the world go round :)
[05:57] <deFrysk> prego, thoreauputic cool thanks :)
[05:57] <bretzel> Oh! the last gnome-stuff update provides nice gmone splash :-)
[05:58] <thoreauputic> E0x: you need a script for your iptables to start it at boot correctly, else the rules will evaporate
[05:58] <bretzel> ...And that new nvidia(-glx) bin seems to work, tested bzflag and it runs well :-)
[05:58] <Myrtti> can't help it, I still like Gnome better
[05:58] <DocUb> who is using xfce on Ubuntu?
[05:58] <crimsun> DocUb: I am
[05:59] <DocUb> where is the screen shot at?
[05:59] <DocUb> for 4.2.1
[05:59] <crimsun> DocUb: see os-works?
[05:59] <DocUb> ?
[05:59] <jUgo> E0x, hey =)
[05:59] <DocUb> in Menu?
[05:59] <bretzel> ? - What xfce has better than gnome ?
[05:59] <crimsun> DocUb: what precisely are you asking?
[06:00] <prego> bretzel, what I really like is the clear-looks theme; specially the latest Metacity border
[06:00] <DocUb> I need to take a screen shot of my desktop to show my friend on a site, so he can see a good view of what xfce is done my hand made design
[06:00] <thoreauputic> bretzel: better performance
[06:00] <bretzel> prego: But gnome have very nice thin borders and look and feel than KDE tho :-)
[06:00] <thoreauputic> bretzel: especially on older hardware, xfce is quicker
[06:01] <bretzel> yes, I agree for slower systems
[06:01] <prego> thoreauputic, lower memory resources.
[06:01] <thoreauputic> prego: heh - fluxbox for me !
[06:01] <thoreauputic> :)
[06:01] <crimsun> DocUb: pull a screenshot from http://os-works.com
[06:01] <prego> bretzel, I usually resize windows with ALT+Button3, so I dont really care about borders
[06:02] <bretzel> For the configurability, is xfce easy to setup as we want ?
[06:02] <DocUb> OK cool :) but do you know where the option is on xfce?
[06:02] <prego> bretzel, sorry: alt+button2 in Metacity
[06:02] <bretzel> hehehe
[06:02] <juliusk> Greets
[06:02] <crimsun> DocUb: not off the top of my head, no.  Use imagemagick's ,,import''.
[06:02] <LeeJunFan> CarlK: I got xforwarding to work with ssh - I had to install xbase-clients :)
[06:03] <bretzel> In synaptic: I just need to search for xfce I guess ?
[06:03] <prego> bretzel, XFce is very configurable, What I dislike is the file manager. It is slower than Nautilus IMHO (I liked more the old GTK-1 Xfce file manager)
[06:03] <thoreauputic> rox filer
[06:03] <DocUb> thanks for the help crimsun, it's in the Xfce4 AppFinder
[06:03] <prego> bretzel, some guys over there use other file managers like ROX with XFCE
[06:03] <crimsun> we're in the process of merging xfce <IP_ADDRESS> into Hoary.
[06:03] <bretzel> prego: but we can run nautilus in xcfe ...isn;t it ?
[06:03] <ex0rt> Hey, having trouble installing the latest Nvidia drivers - think anyone could help?
[06:04] <thoreauputic> bretzel: sure
[06:04] <deFrysk> crimsun, thats cool :)
[06:04] <prego> bretzel, sure, but then what is the point?, it does not longer reduce the amount of RAM so much...
[06:04] <__GNAM__> auauau
[06:04] <deFrysk> bretzel, you can also activete gnome/kde services in xfce4
[06:04] <prego> crimsun, expect the filemanager has improved ;-)
[06:04] <__GNAM__> will have hoary with no working nvidia drivers
[06:04] <bretzel> ex0rt: hmmm, I've juste rebooted from updating all stuff including nvidia, and it works fine
[06:05] <__GNAM__> no changes on the last minute!
[06:05] <crimsun> prego: xffm?  I use rox-filer.
[06:05] <bretzel> deFrysk: how we do that in XFce ?
[06:05] <DocUb> ex0rt: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:05] <deFrysk> Brent, in the settings of xfce4
[06:05] <prego> crimsun, I have to evaluate that XFCE+ROX approach... he he
[06:05] <ex0rt> Well, I have obtained the latest .sh but when I run it, I recieve an error regarding kernel headers?
[06:05] <deFrysk> bretzel, I mean
[06:06] <ex0rt> DocUb: Thanks, I'll take a look
[06:06] <randabis> heh, the new kde suits me well
[06:06] <DocUb> np bud
[06:06] <thoreauputic> ex0rt: you need to install headers exactly matching your kernel
[06:06] <bretzel> deFrysk: you mean ... ? ( I guess simply running kde/gnome apps ? )
[06:07] <dockane> how does it come that this cahn
[06:07] <xavier_> -
[06:07] <juliusk> What are the improvements on the new nvidia drivers?
[06:07] <juliusk> do you think I will notice any difference with my old geforce2mx?
[06:08] <dockane> channel helps very fast and reliable for ubuntu and all you get from the debian channel is rtfm (for debian) ..
[06:08] <GNAM> no update on the last minute, or nothing will work.
[06:08] <GNAM> it's better to delay the release
[06:08] <crimsun> juliusk: read the Release Highlights here: http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_1.0-7167.html
[06:08] <juliusk> crimsun: thanks ;)
[06:08] <DocUb> it's always good to have the update notifier installed
[06:08] <honzi> Where I can find the middle commander in Ubuntu?
[06:09] <crimsun> honzi: 'mc' in universee
[06:09] <dockane> honzi, do you mean midnight commander ?
[06:09] <crimsun> -e
[06:09] <GNAM> but they are march 11 drivers!
[06:09] <GNAM> 20 days ago!
[06:09] <honzi> sorry :)
[06:09] <honzi> yep
[06:09] <ex0rt> thoreauputic: Where will I be able to find these headers?
[06:09] <GNAM> 20 days without testing?
[06:10] <membreya> thoreauputic: LTNS buddy :)
[06:10] <thoreauputic> ex0rt: in synaptic, or quicker, do apt-cache search linux-headers
[06:10] <ex0rt> Thanks.
[06:10] <spear-> hi there !
[06:10] <prego> DocUb, how do I enable update notifier? For a given user it does not appear...
[06:10] <honzi> dockane: So, where? Midnight commander.
[06:10] <thoreauputic> membreya: heh - I've been wrestling with audacity and streams :)
[06:10] <juliusk> I guess I'll see no difference :P I want  a better video card!!
[06:10] <spear-> midnight commander is in the universal apt sources : mc
[06:10] <Dalkus> Before I upgrade to hoary should I remove my nvidia drivers? Or after the upgrade?
[06:11] <dockane> honzi, apt-get cache search midnight
[06:11] <spear-> apt-get install mc
[06:11] <dockane> honzi, sudo of coursew
[06:11] <thoreauputic> ex0rt: uname -r will tell you which one to look for
[06:11] <spear-> for midnight commander
[06:11] <UBabe> Anyone remember what the URL is for the Unofficial Ubuntu guide??
[06:11] <UBabe> the one with the terminal commands?
[06:11] <icarus> juliusk:  i get an extra 300 fps with the new driver
[06:11] <honzi> sudo? Thaths why It doesnt works:)
[06:11] <membreya> UBabe: www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:12] <thoreauputic> dockane: that's apt-cache search ;)
[06:12] <dockane> thoreauputic, sorry yes : tried it and just wanted to correct me ;)
[06:12] <bretzel> ] I have an important question: If I add a new SATA hard drive, and I have already two three IDE drives, is the current ubuntu kernel will detect the sata DRIVE ?
[06:13] <spear-> i' ve got a big network problem on a server, used as a gateway to internet ... does anybody here use an ubuntu gateway with some stations in static ip ?
[06:13] <ex0rt> thoreauputic: Thanks a lot, seems to have work. Now just have to try and install the driver again. Thanks!
[06:13] <thoreauputic> no worries :)
[06:13] <juliusk> icarus: wow
[06:14] <juliusk> gonna try them then... :P
[06:14] <Nakah> I need some help please
[06:14] <dockane> anybody inhere who knows how to enable the "third -scroll- button" on a thinkpad t21 ?
[06:14] <bretzel> Have a problem trying to install xfce4 : : xfwm4 (>=4.2.1-1) but 4.0.6-1 is to be installed
[06:14] <Nakah> I have troubles with Xorg et framebuffer
[06:15] <willem> Can i just add some debian sources to my list?
[06:15] <thoreauputic> willem: no, don't
[06:15] <willem> but i miss some software...
[06:15] <willem> xawtv
[06:15] <willem> mplayer
[06:15] <spear-> if you add universal sources, you'll have most sources
[06:15] <dockane> willem, somebody told thats "can" destroy packets
[06:15] <Nakah> when I'm using the framebuffer and Xorg starts, the monitor's geometry is deformed
[06:15] <willem> ok
[06:15] <thoreauputic> willem: unless you know *exactly * what you are doing
[06:15] <willem> i dont
[06:16] <willem> are the standard sources good enough?
[06:16] <thoreauputic> willem: read ubuntuguide.org
[06:16] <willem> because i miss some software...
[06:16] <willem> ok tank you
[06:16] <thoreauputic> willem: see above
[06:16] <Nakah> but when I'm disabling the framebuffer support in the kernel the monitor's geometry is perfect
[06:16] <willem> universal sources! alright!
[06:16] <solidape> how do i change refresh rate? the reconfigure program only allows 60Hz @1280*1024 and i know my screen can do better.....
[06:17] <Dalkus> does vim have a find and replace function?
[06:17] <thoreauputic> willem: for mplayer you need Marillat's repositories
[06:17] <thoreauputic> willem: it's all in the guide
[06:17] <spear-> so, nobody's under a working ubuntu-gateway ?
[06:18] <thoreauputic> willem: see also http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:18] <willem> ok
[06:18] <willem> thank you very much
[06:19] <hohlraum> anyone know if bugs 6222 and 7494 will be fixed for the final?
[06:19] <solidape> how do i change refresh rate? the reconfigure program only allows 60Hz @1280*1024 and i know my screen can do better.....
[06:19] <solidape> the xprg.conf file says nothng about refresh rates as far as i can see
[06:20] <thoreauputic> solidape: you might need to edit your xorg.conf
[06:20] <thoreauputic> horizontal and vertical
[06:20] <solidape> so i thought... can't find anything about refresh rates at all
[06:20] <Nakah> nobody can help me ?
[06:21] <hohlraum> xorg maxs the refresh rates to 85 i believe, regardless of how high your monitor can go.
[06:21] <[nrx] > blasphemey
[06:21] <hohlraum> you gotta add modelines to get any better.
[06:21] <spear-> blasphemey ?
[06:21] <solidape> where do i add these modelines exactly in the file
[06:22] <thoreauputic> solidape: look for  HorizSync and  VertRefres
[06:22] <hohlraum> check out xorgs website.. they have info in there about how to do it.. pretty easy actually.  there are tools out there for generating them as well.
[06:22] <bretzel> Hey, WOW! that XFCE is really clean and cute! and yes it doesn't eats that much RAM as gnome and especially KDE do :-)
[06:22] <juliusk> how do I know what's the memory usage??
[06:22] <hohlraum> thoreauputic: it isn't gunna matter if he has H and V set.  xorg is very conservative with its refresh settings.
[06:23] <Twiggy> Anybody know if the latest hoary packages are built with --as-needed for deps?
[06:23] <thoreauputic> hohlraum: ? so you can't override it?
[06:23] <hohlraum> yes.. just like i said.. with modelines.
[06:23] <juliusk> what's a modeline? :$
[06:23] <randabis> bretzel: yeah it's nice. I use it on my slow laptop. KDE on this machine
[06:23] <solidape> what's the url to xorgs site?
[06:23] <juliusk> x.org
[06:23] <juliusk> I guess
[06:23] <hohlraum> guess ;) hehe.
[06:23] <spear-> why do people remain connected in the chatroom if they're not effectively present ???
[06:23] <solidape> lol...
[06:24] <thoreauputic> hohlraum: ah, sorry - missed yor post :)
[06:24] <^DM> i have a q then spear
[06:24] <kbrede> spear-, because we are working and we pop in and out
[06:24] <icarus> spear:  they're learning...
[06:24] <prego> spear-, the answer my friend... is blowing in the wind....
[06:24] <spear-> :)
[06:24] <spear-> DM : a question ?
[06:24] <bretzel> randabis: but how to add/or access application menu (button ? ) in the panel ? I searched in xfce config gui but no hints
[06:24] <thoreauputic> spear-: because they are permanently attached to Ubuntu by an umbilical cord ;)
[06:25] <randabis> bretzel: you have to add it to the panel
[06:25] <E0x> thoreauputic thx
[06:25] <prego> bretzel, right button on menus and on panel
[06:25] <hohlraum> http://en.tldp.org/HOWTO/XFree86-Video-Timings-HOWTO/obsolete.html
[06:25] <randabis> bretzel: otherwise you can access it by right-clicking anywhere on the desktop
[06:25] <prego> thoreauputic, Oh, the AKA umbuntu fork
[06:25] <randabis> prego: it is not a fork
[06:25] <^DM> today i install ubuntu on my laptop, while it was connected to a windows network with an internet connection,
[06:26] <prego> randabis, it is a joke
[06:26] <randabis> prego: ah, I misunderstood
[06:26] <spear-> i didn' t psot on the official forum or on the mailing list (the official english one) ... are these very efficient t?
[06:26] <^DM> now im at home i cant get the dhcp to autoconfig
[06:26] <bretzel> randabis: I have no reactions with any button on the desktop ---
[06:26] <mikep> Theresa Schiavo has passed away.
[06:26] <juliusk> note to self: never ever do a /list in this server :S
[06:26] <randabis> mikep: yeah, finally
[06:27] <thoreauputic> spear-: the mailing lit is very high traffic
[06:27] <prego> bretzel, perhaps your startxfce script is broken
[06:27] <zerok> hello all
[06:27] <spear-> thets what i' ve read
[06:27] <thoreauputic> spear-: good chance of finding help there
[06:27] <spear-> , but very very efficient ?
[06:27] <juliusk> Im gonna reboot to see if the new kenel, restricted modules and nvidia drivers work properly :P
[06:27] <juliusk> brb
[06:27] <zerok> exit
[06:27] <spear-> sorry, by efficient i meant high traffic ?
[06:27] <nex6> i need to switch moniters on a PC, i am going to go from a crt to an LCD. i am assuming i need to run dpkg-reconfigure
[06:27] <thoreauputic> spear-: as I said, good chance of help
[06:27] <spear-> very high
[06:27] <nex6> whats the x pack name in warty?
[06:28] <randabis> spear-: yes, they are both high traffic
[06:28] <bretzel> Unless I run nautilus, but it is the nautilus usual stuff: yes maybe broken startscripts... I couldn;t install xfce4 because xfwm4.2.1 is not there... I have installed 4.0.xx
[06:28] <^DM> how do i get ubuntu to connect to the internet through my network?
[06:28] <spear-> what is your network composed of ?
[06:29] <spear-> a server, a modem (or router) to internet ... ?
[06:29] <^DM> my desktop and laptop atm
[06:29] <nex6> whats the x package name in warty?
[06:29] <nex6> typo
[06:29] <UBabe> anyone know how i can install plugins for rhythmbox?
[06:29] <bretzel> -- otherwize, then xfce is very cool! :-)
[06:29] <thoreauputic> nex6: xserver-xfree86
[06:29] <UBabe> apparently mp3's arent supported?!
[06:29] <spear-> you want your stations to communicate ?
[06:29] <^DM> it worked today when i was at work
[06:29] <spear-> or use these as a gateway ?
[06:30] <thoreauputic> UBabe: sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[06:30] <randabis> UBabe: you need to check this out: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:30] <spear-> (i meant use one as a gateway)
[06:30] <^DM> yeah the desktop
[06:30] <nex6> thoreauputic thanks
[06:30] <spear-> so the desktop is running ... what OS ?
[06:30] <Jamminpotato> how do iprint to a network printer in linux?
[06:31] <supernova> hi to all
[06:31] <spear-> hi ;)
[06:31] <Myrtti> how important is the GStreamer to the functions of Gnome and Ubuntu? Can it be replaced?
[06:31] <^DM> xp :(
[06:31] <supernova> can i ask something?
[06:31] <^DM> and ubuntu
[06:31] <spear-> that's ok eh !
[06:31] <Myrtti> supernova: you just did
[06:31] <Servo888> I need some help with a kernel panic. I built a new kernel, and am trying to boot it. But I get a kernel panic saying that it can't mount hde1, hde1 is on my promise ata133 controller card, I've compiled it's driver into the kernel. I took a screen shot of the problem: http://www.garkei.com/vadim/p1110099.jpg | maybe that will help shed some light
[06:31] <spear-> and what do you want that network to do ?
[06:31] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: xine and mpg321 and sox and oggenc etc work fine
[06:31] <supernova> how can i mount hdd part. without root permissions?
[06:32] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: in fact I have more luck with those
[06:32] <spear-> i mean what's your objective ? Just try to network between the stations, use one as a gateway, share files, print ;.. ????
[06:32] <Jamminpotato> how do i setup a CUPS server?
[06:32] <Myrtti> thoreauputic: I managed to pin down the problem I'm having with certain mp3's to a problem in GStreamer
[06:32] <freet> supernova: u can't
[06:32] <supernova> sorry i know it
[06:32] <^DM> i just want a connection to the laptop which runs ubuntu i(it has a winmodem and i failed badly at building drivers)
[06:32] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: there's ogg123 as well...
[06:32] <randabis> supernova: you can use sudo mount
[06:32] <supernova> how can i access the part. without root perm.
[06:32] <supernova> ?
[06:33] <Myrtti> thoreauputic: oggs are good and fine, but my Creative Muvo can't playback them
[06:33] <nozzy> Hi all
[06:33] <freet> supernova: don't think thats possible
[06:33] <julius_> back
[06:33] <julius_> :P
[06:33] <freet> supernova: because u first have to mount it :)
[06:33] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: I don't know if rhythmbox will use mpg321 or mpg123
[06:33] <supernova> i know
[06:33] <freet> supernova: is that a problem? i mean, u haven't got root password?
[06:33] <julius_> upgraded kernel and nvidia driver and everything seems to work as good as always
[06:33] <randabis> if you don't have access to the partition after you mounted it, then you did not mount it correctly
[06:34] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: but other apps will - and xine can play mp3 as well with the right codecs
[06:34] <spear-> 1st they have to be on the same network scheme, tcp/ip and some ip addresses of the same classes & netmask
[06:34] <supernova> i just wanna play my mp3's on normal user account
[06:34] <supernova> :)
[06:34] <freet> supernova: ah
[06:34] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: or vlc
[06:34] <nozzy> How do i add fonts to ubuntu (ttf fonts)
[06:34] <^DM> yes, both are <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:34] <freet> supernova: u can do that, but u have to mount, so u need root password
[06:34] <randabis> supernova: add the partition to /etc/fstab
[06:34] <julius_> nozzy, enable universe repository and run "sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts" in a console
[06:34] <thoreauputic> nozzy: dump them in dot fonts in your home dir
[06:35] <Myrtti> oh, but it's going to be really difficult replacing gstreamer...
[06:35] <supernova> yaeh
[06:35] <thoreauputic> nozzy: ~/.fonts
[06:35] <Myrtti> oh funk
[06:35] <nozzy> julius_: thnx
[06:35] <UBabe> thats where im stuffed, i cant find the PowerPC Universe and Multiverse repositories :P
[06:35] <UBabe> any clues anyone?
[06:35] <julius_> :D
[06:35] <freet> supernova: type this in /etc/fstab : /dev/hdaX /mnt umask = 0 0 0
[06:35] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: do you need to replace it? I just installed other stuff in addition
[06:35] <freet> supernova: with X the number of the partitio
[06:35] <randabis> UBabe: you need to check this out: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:35] <Myrtti> uuuuuuu
[06:35] <supernova> ok
[06:36] <thoreauputic> UBabe: you just uncomment them in /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:37] <Jamminpotato> i need some help....i have addedthe universe repository, but i still cant find gstream08.mad and i dont knwo why
[06:37] <UBabe> but theyre different as im not using a x86 machine
[06:37] <tritium> gstreamer0.8-mad
[06:37] <^DM> the laptop and desktop network fine, i just want to know if there is something i have to do to let ubuntu know how to connect to the internet
[06:37] <UBabe> i remember someone gave it to me before
[06:37] <thoreauputic> UBabe: I have an iBook - it's the same
[06:37] <randabis> UBabe: I believe they are the same
[06:37] <spear-> you use a classical modem ?
[06:38] <thoreauputic> UBabe: you just add the words in the file, or uncomment the lines
[06:38] <spear-> i mean no dsl modem ?
[06:38] <julius_> I had to install gstreamer0.8-plugins to be able to play mp3s
[06:38] <tritium> julius_, that's right
[06:38] <^DM> yes dial-up, what shold the network proxy configuration be?
[06:38] <thoreauputic> julius_: that's odd
[06:39] <Myrtti> /me spanks Bloody|RLC till blood trickles down his back
[06:39] <thoreauputic> julius_: gstreamer0.8-mad was enough here
[06:39] <julius_> thoreauputic: what's the difference with gstreamer0.8-plugins?
[06:39] <Myrtti> this really sucks, you know
[06:39] <tritium> julius_, it depends on the -mad plugin, so it will work
[06:40] <AlienDuce> hello
[06:40] <Myrtti> all the mp3's that I've had with hard labour done good and decent id3-tags, wont show up in Rhythmbox
[06:40] <tritium> julius_, you may also not have had the -esd, or other plugins you needed
[06:40] <AlienDuce> please need help
[06:40] <thoreauputic> julius_: I guess they just hook in a bunch of other functions - I haven't looked closely: but I installed them "just in case" ;-)
[06:40] <tritium> Myrtti, sounds like you also need gstreamer0.8-mad
[06:40] <AlienDuce> can u help me anybody?
[06:40] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: rhythmbox has .... issues
[06:41] <topyli> AlienDuce: nobody can help unless you tell us what your problemm is
[06:41] <Jamminpotato> i cant even get mp3 palyback because i cant get it to find the gstreamer08.mad package
[06:41] <Myrtti> tritium: I can play mp3's on it, some just wont show up there
[06:41] <tritium> Jamminpotato, you're spelling it wrong
[06:41] <Jamminpotato> how is it
[06:41] <Jamminpotato> spelled?
[06:41] <Myrtti> thoreauputic: any suggestions on a better player? XMMS won't work either
[06:41] <tritium> Myrtti, did you install gstreamer0.8-mad?
[06:42] <julius_> thoreauputic, tritium, thx for the info :P
[06:42] <Hansiman> hey, I can't seem to boot from CD before GRUB loads, any suggestions?
[06:42] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: utf - 8 issues maybe?
[06:42] <AlienDuce> i want to install ubuntu but my pc can't boot with cdrom
[06:42] <Hansiman> and yes, the boot-sequence is correct ;)
[06:42] <solidape> is there a stabe dc++ for linux?
[06:42] <Jamminpotato> im searching for gstream nad its turning up the gstreamer sutuff but i cant find mad
[06:42] <Myrtti> tritium: I have them all
[06:42] <tritium> Jamminpotato, it's in universe.  Do you have that enabled?
[06:42] <Myrtti> thoreauputic: could be, but I'm at loss what to do with that either
[06:42] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: xmms doesn't work either? Do you have mpg321 or mpg123 ?
[06:42] <icarus> Hansiman: change bios boot order to load cdrom before hdd
[06:42] <tritium> Myrtti, have you run gst-register-0.8 ?
[06:42] <tritium> That can help sometimes.
[06:42] <Myrtti> thoreauputic: yes
[06:43] <thoreauputic> OK
[06:43] <Hansiman> icarus: it is before
[06:43] <Jamminpotato> tritium: yes univrse is on and enabled
[06:43] <Jamminpotato> tritium: im manually downloading jut that package
[06:43] <tritium> Jamminpotato, have you done an apt-get update ?
[06:43] <Hansiman> icarus: I've even tried only having the CD as boot device
[06:43] <tritium> oh, you've found it?
[06:43] <Hansiman> but still GRUB comes first
[06:43] <thoreauputic> tritium: sounds more like a character encoding issue of some kind ( re Myrtti )
[06:43] <tritium> Jamminpotato, you don't need to do that
[06:43] <AlienDuce> i can't install it??
[06:43] <tritium> thoreauputic, maybe so...
[06:44] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: what did you use to do your tags?
[06:44] <Myrtti> ok, XMMS used to work
[06:44] <prego> AlienDuce, aren't there boot disk images??
[06:44] <Myrtti> now it doesn't even start
[06:44] <Myrtti> thoreauputic: windows application called CD'n'Go
[06:44] <Jamminpotato> tritium: i enabled universe did the refresh thing, nothingshowed up...i then did hte upgrade process from warty to hoary and nothing happened then
[06:44] <Myrtti> back then when I used Windows
[06:45] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: oh. i see....
[06:45] <spear-> DM : http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Network-Install-HOWTO.html
[06:45] <tritium> Jamminpotato, if you upgraded to Hoary, many packages would have been updated
[06:45] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: I think your problem could be right there
[06:45] <solidape> is there a way to run dc++ from linux?
[06:45] <^DM> thanks spear-
[06:45] <Myrtti> thoreauputic: but the same mp3's worked last week
[06:45] <Myrtti> and now XMMS wont start
[06:46] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: I had one (1) file in my home dir that made the whole system stop sound wise
[06:46] <tritium> Jamminpotato, did that happen?
[06:46] <Jamminpotato> tritium: yes
[06:46] <Jamminpotato> tritium: but it still isnt showing mad
[06:46] <icarus> Hansiman:  did you disable search for other boot devices as well?  just use the cd as the first boot device?
[06:46] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: try looking for files with %20 and such in them ( that was what stuffed mine up)
[06:47] <icarus> or perhaps a different bootable cd...
[06:47] <tritium> Jamminpotato, the upgrade downloaded/installed many packages?
[06:47] <spear-> am sorry, it would be too long to explain DM, in a busy chatroom
[06:47] <Hansiman> icarus: how do I disable search for other boot devices?
[06:47] <Jamminpotato> tritium:yes it did
[06:47] <Hansiman> icarus: I've tried the Ubuntu cd, as well as my Windows XP cd
[06:47] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: when I deleted that file, everything came back to life - also I suggest making another user and seeing if that user can play mp3
[06:47] <spear-> so i' m giving you the link :|
[06:48] <Jamminpotato> tritium: i figured it out
[06:48] <tritium> Jamminpotato, please paste your /etc/apt/sources.list on pastebin
[06:48] <Hansiman> but the GRUB comes first yet again ;)
[06:48] <UBabe> gtg bbs...
[06:48] <tritium> Jamminpotato, what was the problem?
[06:48] <Jamminpotato> tritium: i had the universe set as binary and i changed it to source now it works
[06:48] <julius_> Hey guys I have a question. I have an old laption.. I think it's like 300 Mhz and 64 mb ram. DO you think it can handle ubuntu?
[06:48] <tritium> Jamminpotato, no, that's not it
[06:48] <julius_> laptop*
[06:48] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: of course that test user needs to be in the right groups etc
[06:48] <Jamminpotato> tritium: its working now
[06:48] <icarus> Hansiman:  it depends on your bios.  my phoenix bios has an option in boot devices to enable\disable other boot devices.
[06:48] <topyli> AlienDuce: get a debian woody net install CD. install minimum base system. upgrade to ubuntu hoary.
[06:48] <Myrtti> of course
[06:48] <tritium> Jamminpotato, please paste your sources.list so I can see it
[06:48] <Hansiman> julius_: it should, I have 266MhZ and 32mb ram here ^^
[06:48] <Myrtti> to the pastebin
[06:48] <Myrtti> or #flood
[06:48] <topyli> AlienDuce: i mean a floppy, not CD :)
[06:48] <kent> should the casefan blow air in to the case or out of the case?  (Ive had problems with heat so I bought a new cpufan and a casefan).
[06:48] <tritium> Jamminpotato, deb-src is for source packages
[06:49] <Hansiman> icarus: doesn't seem to be anything like that here :/
[06:49] <Jamminpotato> tritium: il paste it but its working now =/
[06:49] <[nrx] > kent, there will be an air direction and mounting instructions with the fan
[06:49] <tritium> Jamminpotato, you need to install the binary package, not the source package
[06:49] <mjr> julius_, it can, though gnome may be sluggish for you; might be better to use xfce on that
[06:49] <julius_> Hansiman: cool. I ask because I have 256mb ram here and it seems to use most of the memory .. is there any minimal install option in hoary?
[06:49] <Hansiman> yeah, gnome is very slow here :p
[06:50] <Hansiman> julius_: that stuff...I don't know much about, I'm a noob myself ;)
[06:50] <Jamminpotato> tritium: ill pm it to you so as not to flood hte channel
[06:50] <julius_> hansiman: :P
[06:50] <tritium> ok
[06:50] <tritium> Jamminpotato, but I recommended pastebin
[06:50] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: when my sound stopped, I looked for all sorts of config issues - but it turned out to be one stupid mp3 file with a bad name
[06:50] <[nrx] > Hansiman, xfce4 or kubuntu
[06:50] <mjr> julius_, it's a sign of a bad OS if lots of memory is unused ;) But yeah, the memory is the thing likely to make gnome sluggish.
[06:51] <Hansiman> on this crappy machine...nothing be worth it :p
[06:51] <kent> [nrx] , no there wasn't :(   I know how to connect the fancable etc, the only problem is that i dont know which direction to the air should go for optimal cooling. I thought perhaps there was some kind of easy solution, like "this way is the right way" ;(
[06:51] <Hansiman> this is just a machine used for irc anyway
[06:51] <mjr> (and for a 32 meg machine, I'd recommend turning it into an X terminal ;)
[06:51] <freet> thoreauputic: that sux :)
[06:51] <[nrx] > kent, depends on your psu. If you're psu has intake underneath it for air, mount the case fan to suck air into the case.. otherwise, blow out :)
[06:52] <Hansiman> but since I can't get my main computer to work, it's been used a lot lately
[06:52] <nozzy> I'm running with 512Mb and ubuntu is using every mb of it (and so dous any distro)
[06:52] <Hansiman> and I'm addicted to supertux >_<
[06:52] <julius_> mjr, Ill try then to install it on my laptop :P I really LOVE ubuntu, I'm the only one in my house using linux.. trying to spread it already :P
[06:52] <thoreauputic> freet: well, yes but at least I found the problem - now I'm very picky about file names ;-)
[06:52] <DocUb> Julius: same here, I am the only one out of 5 people using linux, rest are using winblows
[06:52] <freet> hey, just a silly question, like ubuntu is shipped with gnome, is kde fulle supported?
[06:52] <bronson> I just upgraded my Hoary... Now both Ephy and Firefox crash when I visit Anandtech.
[06:53] <freet> thoreauputic: what was wrong with it?
[06:53] <bronson> Is this happening for anyone else?
[06:53] <thoreauputic> freet: /join #kubuntu
[06:53] <thoreauputic> freet: it had %20 stuff in it
[06:53] <DocUb> good stuff :)
[06:53] <freet> thoreauputic: the Kde Ubuntu User Group? :d
[06:53] <[nrx] > DocUb, running Xfce4, too
[06:53] <[nrx] > :)
[06:53] <DocUb> :-D
[06:54] <thoreauputic> freet: kubuntu is ubuntu with kde
[06:54] <julius_> is the latest version of XFCE in the repositories?
[06:54] <kent> [nrx] , I have an intake for air both on the bottom of the psu and on the back of it.  So should i blow in then?  (It seems to work good right now (My amd is around 45 Celcius.) and right now im blowing out. So perhaps i dont need to mind it.. ?
[06:54] <freet> thoreauputic: obviously :)
[06:54] <prego> julius_, seems that is being placed right now. not yet fully there
[06:54] <DocUb> lol
[06:54] <thoreauputic> freet: you can also apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:54] <[nrx] > kent, probably be okay then.. but what are you using to monitor the temp?
[06:54] <osity> What do i do if i just want to install terminal portion of ubuntu
[06:54] <DocUb> er wrong window
[06:55] <julius_> freet: I've installed kubuntu-desktop package in hoary and it installed the whole KDE 3.4. It works OK, but don't expect it to be as "clean & simple" as ubuntu with gnome is :P
[06:55] <thoreauputic> freet: yeah, the K is a dead giveway, hey?
[06:55] <kotatsu> does the hoary live CD include f-spot?
[06:55] <freet> julius_: how do you mean?
[06:55] <kotatsu> probably not, eh? =\
[06:55] <freet> thoreauputic: kinda :p
[06:55] <bronson> Moz crashes too.  Konq works fine.
[06:55] <bronson> Can anyone using a recent hoary visit http://anandtech.com and tell me if it's unique to me?
[06:55] <prego> julius_, clean & simple & KDE should not be at the same sentence. (yes, this is a flame ;-P)
[06:55] <bronson> Moz-based browser should crash, all others work fine.
[06:55] <thoreauputic> freet: I'm surprised it isn't KNU instead of GNU as well ;-)
[06:56] <kent> [nrx] , lmsensors.  I dont know if its a good tool or not, but I actually seems to have configured it right. Since it seems to work.  I can reboot and check with bios aswell, but lmsensors always worked before.. and a new fan dont change the settings for lmsensors.. i hope ;)
[06:56] <freet> thoreauputic: lol :D
[06:56] <thoreauputic> KNU/Linux !
[06:56] <freet> Klinux!
[06:56] <thoreauputic> :D
[06:56] <julius_> freet: ubuntu comes with a selection of 'basic' applications that most users may need, letting them customize their installations and install their apps via apt-get :P ANyway, I get LOST in kde apps menu , to give you an idea :P
[06:56] <[nrx] > kent, it wont change the settings.. there's an onboard chip that does all that for you :)
[06:56] <bretzel> goodness .. XFCE is so NICE, fast, clean, low res hungry ... I LOVE IT!8-)
[06:56] <[nrx] > bretzel, great, innit? :)
[06:56] <julius_> freet: what I mean is, that kde will install some apps that you may need, and you will see in your menus both kde & gnome apps, so your menus will be packed :P
[06:57] <freet> julius_: but it doesn't give errors or crashes u shouldnt get?
[06:57] <mjr> prego, no, it's a flame_bait_ ;)
[06:57] <bretzel> nrx: ;)
[06:57] <nowinek> witam
[06:57] <prego> anandtech works fine in my epiphany
[06:57] <nowinek> jest moze ktos mowiacy po polsku?
[06:57] <julius_> freet: no errors at all... I've only had some problems with the audio, but I've chosen "ESD" as the sound thing in the control center and all sounds works OK.
[06:57] <Taleel> bronson: my Firefox displays the site just fine (using adzapper to filter ads, though)
[06:58] <thoreauputic> nowinek: sorry, this is an english channel
[06:58] <freet> julius_: damn, serious problems? :)
[06:58] <bronson> Taleel: how long ago did you last apt-get upgrade?
[06:58] <bretzel> I run KDEvelop, nautilus; gaim; konqueror; terms, and: 300MB / 885 MB eaten only !
[06:58] <Taleel> bronson: half an hour, maybe
[06:58] <bronson> hm.  weird.
[06:58] <bronson> It may be an ad.
[06:58] <freet> julius_: cause i just swapped from Debian because my sound didnt work
[06:58] <DarkPurpose> can anyone help me with dialup problems with 4.10?? couldn't get it confg'd right
[06:58] <Taleel> bronson: I just finished dist-upgrading to hoary an hour ago :)
[06:58] <julius_> freet: I haven't got any errors so far. Just when updated the other day, my kicker got resetted... and no, no serious problems with kde, just the sound thing, I still don't understand all the ALSA, ESD, OSS, ARTS, GSTREAMER, etc :p
[06:59] <freet> julius_: me neither
[06:59] <[nrx] > gonna fire up the lappy.. bbiaf.
[06:59] <Taleel> bronson: have you tried using Flashblock to filter out all that Flash crap?
[06:59] <freet> julius_: on debian, i just gave up on it
[06:59] <nowinek> thoreauputic: thx, and I have question, where is polish chanel for ubuntu?
[06:59] <bronson> Taleel: nope.  Not blocking anything.
[07:00] <bronson> Taleel: this is what you're using  http://www.adzapper.net/  ?
[07:00] <julius_> freet: I was going to install arts (from what I know, gnome uses ESD and kde uses ARTS), but I wasnt sure if there would be any problem, so I just chose esd as sound daemon and it works smoothly
[07:00] <thoreauputic> nowinek: I don't know if there is one - there's a ubuntu-fr and ubuntu-es - don't know for polish
[07:00] <freet> julius_: went to all the forums, doing whatever they told me too, ended up with like 100 installed packages and still no sound
[07:00] <julius_> freet: I find kde faster than gnome on my come, and I like all the eye-candy :P
[07:00] <freet> julius_: then thats all i need :)
[07:00] <freet> julius_: me too!
[07:00] <spear-> bye !
[07:00] <nowinek> ok, thx
[07:01] <freet> julius_: i consider gnome too, how to say, simplified maybe?
[07:01] <Taleel> bronson: nope, http://adzapper.sourceforge.net/
[07:01] <Taleel> bronson: it's a plugin for the Squid proxy
[07:01] <thoreauputic> freet: well, you have the choice :)
[07:01] <freet> julius_: one last question; how large is the kubuntu-desktop package?
[07:01] <bronson> got it.
[07:01] <freet> thoreauputic: yeah, thanks for telling me
[07:01] <DarkPurpose> also kde lover
[07:01] <julius_> freet: yeah, gnome is simplier and easier to use. kDE has got a lots of options "Just there".. I mean, it's cool to have lots of options, but I feel invaded sometimes. Gnome is better in that aspect. I just like plastik theme :P and the fact that inactive tabs have a hover effect :P
[07:02] <freet> thoreauputic: i was about to get packages and compile it all :)
[07:02] <freet> julius_: hehe :p
[07:02] <julius_> freet: kubuntu-desktop is a meta-package, I think it downloads 70~mb and uses like 200
[07:02] <freet> 70 mb, damn ! :d
[07:02] <thoreauputic> freet: oh dear - gentoo refugee, are you? <j/k>
[07:02] <freet> julius_: i'm on smallband u see, till tommorow
[07:03] <freet> thoreauputic: what ya mean? :) the compiling part? :d
[07:03] <thoreauputic> ;-)
[07:03] <DarkPurpose> is there a #kubuntu channel?
[07:03] <freet> jup
[07:03] <crimsun> DarkPurpose: yes.
[07:03] <nowinek> thoreauputic: ubuntu have Wine?
[07:03] <freet> thoreauputic: to be honest, haven't tried gentoo yet
[07:03] <DarkPurpose> tnx crimsun
[07:03] <julius_> freet: kde works very well in ubuntu, meaning that there are no errors or something :P but IMO it still isnt as minimalist as ubuntu default desktop is ^^ guess someday...
[07:03] <thoreauputic> nowinek: I think so, I have no use for it
[07:04] <freet> thoreauputic: think i might do it someday
[07:04] <nowinek> I try ubuntu live and I don't run windows programs?
[07:04] <nowinek> Why?
[07:05] <freet> julius_: can I swap then? i mean, can i choose for kde on login; just session type?
[07:05] <freet> julius_: i mean gnome ofc
[07:05] <thoreauputic> nowinek: because it's a different operating system ??
[07:05] <nowinek> I know
[07:05] <freet> thoreauputic: you're prolly right !!! :D
[07:05] <meuserj|work> nowinek, wine is not on the livecd
[07:05] <nowinek> but is Wine
[07:05] <thoreauputic> nowinek: ubuntu does have wine - I just checked
[07:06] <nowinek> ok
[07:06] <julius_> freet: yeah, you can login in any of them anytime
[07:06] <julius_> freet: I use different users for each one though, don't want them to mess with each other fonts configuration :P
[07:06] <bretzel> I installed wine from synaptic, with gui config, and seems to work on none-special dll loading apps. ( IE doesn;t run but I did not check why )
[07:07] <thoreauputic> even *looking* at windows apps makes me feel ill these days...
[07:08] <nowinek> thoreauputic: wine don't have only ubuntu live or ubuntu install too?
[07:08] <freet> julius_: hehe
[07:08] <freet> julius_: well, that's all i had to know
[07:08] <treke> ubuntu has wine packages
[07:08] <bretzel> afk for dinner time :)
[07:08] <treke> it isn't installed by default
[07:08] <freet> julius_: just waiting for the end of dist-upgrade now, and there i go :)
[07:08] <thoreauputic> nowinek: you can get it from the repositories using apt-get
[07:08] <freet> julius_: its awsome kde 3.4 is already included :p
[07:09] <[nrx_] > kent, what monitoring program did you use again?
[07:09] <julius_> bretzel: I guess there are lots of howtos on how to make IE working on linux. in my old warty installation I had done it using crossover office... I don't know where I got it, and I've formatted my comp so I lost that file
[07:09] <julius_> anyway firefox does its job beautifully
[07:09] <nowinek> ok, I know, thereI but no by default for install
[07:09] <thoreauputic> nowinek: it's in the "universe" repository
[07:09] <freet> bretzel: IE on linux :s :D
[07:09] <nowinek>  ok, I know, there is but no by default for install
[07:09] <freet> bretzel: those are black & white :p
[07:10] <julius_> IE on linux worked as good/bad as in windows when it comes to rendering things :P but drag&drop or wheel scroll didnt work
[07:10] <thoreauputic> nowinek: the default install is fairly slim compared to knoppix etc. yes
[07:10] <thoreauputic> nowinek: that's what apt and synaptic are for
[07:10] <chimaera> hi.
[07:10] <nowinek> oki, thx
[07:11] <nowinek> by, by
[07:11] <julius_> brb, gotta restart gdm :
[07:11] <chimaera> i found out that ubuntu replaced fam with gamin. how do they compile kde against it?
[07:12] <thoreauputic> chimaera: that's probably a question for #kubuntu
[07:12] <willem> hoho
[07:12] <chimaera> thoreauputic: well, gnome is also build against gamin..
[07:12] <thoreauputic> chimaera: there are usually a few ubuntu/kubuntu devs in that channel
[07:12] <i3dmaster> I have a question for the dhparm.conf under /etc dir. Is that just a conf or a script. I saw hdparm params in there but also the command at the end? Wondering how to use it?
[07:13] <[nrx_] > anyone know where the lm-sensors package is?
[07:13] <SeanQ> Question.
[07:13] <SeanQ> Is it
[07:13] <i3dmaster> hdparm.conf ...sorry
[07:13] <SeanQ> "grub-install /dev/hda"
[07:13] <SeanQ> or "grub-install /dev/hda1
[07:13] <thoreauputic> chimaera: umm...yes..so what is your point exactly re: KDE ?
[07:13] <universal> can someone help me with my gdesklets?
[07:13] <julius_> well the uptade works smoothly ^^
[07:13] <julius_> I gotta go
[07:13] <julius_> cya!!!
[07:14] <Riddell> chimaera: because fam is in universe and gamin isn't
[07:14] <[nrx_] > Does anyone know what repo the "lm-sensors" package is in?
[07:14] <Jamminpotato> wow i never released how not that hard this whole linux thing was
[07:14] <bobesponja> does ubuntu comes with xorg or xfree86?
[07:15] <jono> bobesponja, the new version of ubuntu will come with xorg
[07:15] <universal> thoreauputic, yeah, but smart is it though
[07:15] <Chipzz> bobesponja: warty comes with xfree, hoary comes with xorg
[07:15] <chimaera> Riddell: thoreauputic, ah, well. i'm over at kubuntu..
[07:15] <bobesponja> os thx
[07:16] <universal> someone who knows were i can get a animated bar as on a macOS?
[07:16] <thoreauputic> [nrx] : pt-cache policy lm-sensors  says it's in universe
[07:16] <thoreauputic> * apt-cahe policy
[07:16] <freet> universal: if u find one, let me knw !! :)
[07:16] <thoreauputic> bah i give up
[07:17] <universal> freet, i know that u can get one through gdesklets
[07:17] <prego> universal, there are several choices. They are the gdesklets, the KDE's karamba and one which seems to be the best one that is made by enlightenment guy (rasterman???)
[07:17] <synd> is there a way to make the terminal prompt transparent in either kde or gnome
[07:17] <universal> prego, ok, what is it called?
[07:17] <prego> synd, pseudo transparent
[07:17] <thoreauputic> synd: the prompt? Or the window?
[07:18] <synd> thoreauputic: the window
[07:18] <synd> the whole shebang
[07:18] <oly> hiya, i got a wacom tablet, it works fine but is not mapped to screen properly, there is a border around the entire screen of about 100 pixels
[07:18] <thoreauputic> synd: several ways
[07:18] <prego> universal, I don't really know the name, but I have seen it at people screenshots elsewhere
[07:18] <[nrx_] > thoreauputic, i can't get it at all
[07:18] <freet> synd: edit profile
[07:18] <oly> anyway i can chage this, or usfual config apps ?
[07:18] <universal> prego, ok, do you run gdesklets?
[07:18] <thoreauputic> [nrx] : have you done apt-get update and edited your sources?
[07:18] <synd> freet, thoreauputic: ah thanks! i found it.
[07:18] <freet> synd: np :)
[07:19] <[nrx_] > doing an update now
[07:19] <[nrx_] > :)
[07:19] <freet> prego: am i right to suggest karamba is for kde? :)
[07:19] <thoreauputic> [nrx] : that always helps the magic a bit...
[07:19] <[nrx_] > thoreauputic, heh yeah ;;p
[07:20] <universal> so i cant run Karamba on gnome?
[07:20] <synd> whoa, thats weird. i have xchat maximized and terminal over that.. the transparency goes all they way to the backdround
[07:20] <willem> always
[07:20] <prego> universal, I don't use either of them... but I know that they exist...
[07:20] <freet> universal: i dont think so
[07:21] <willem> transparency is fake
[07:21] <prego> freet, probably you are right
[07:21] <[nrx_] > synd, hence the term "transparent" huh?
[07:21] <freet> synd: indeed
[07:21] <thoreauputic> synd: that's what pseudo transparency does, yeah
[07:21] <universal> ok
[07:21] <willem> wiat for y
[07:21] <kent> Do some one know of an applet for gnome which monitors the cpu-temperature? Id rather use one from main/universe than compiling it on my own..
[07:21] <synd> it's fun to move it around : )
[07:21] <freet> kent: gkrellm?
[07:21] <prego> synd, in hoary you can do real transparency...
[07:22] <freet> prego: what do you mean with "real"?
[07:22] <thoreauputic> kent: you can use gkrellm for that and other monitoring functions
[07:22] <Hansiman> +
[07:22] <universal> its just that my shell on gdesklets pops up for one moment and then closes
[07:22] <synd> prego: ahh.. well im running kde on hoary.
[07:22] <thoreauputic> kent: if you like it of course
[07:22] <prego> freet, make a window partially transparent
[07:22] <synd> i got gnome on here too
[07:22] <freet> prego: ow, nice :)
[07:22] <universal> in the term it says IndexError: list index out of range
[07:22] <prego> synd, you have to enable composite extension
[07:22] <WeirdAl> How do I move the Gnome panels, other than by dragging them?
[07:22] <lolminator> help
[07:22] <prego> synd, and download xcompmgr and transset
[07:22] <lolminator> no root file system
[07:23] <WeirdAl> I was messing around with dragging, but my computer's so crappy that it's left the panel on the right hand side of the screen and it
[07:23] <synd> prego: alright, well do
[07:23] <WeirdAl> 's covered in launchers
[07:23] <freet> anybody knows a nice framebuffer for konsole? one that actually works? :)
[07:23] <prego> synd, and after X restart, you can use transset .5 to make a window 50% transarent
[07:23] <WeirdAl> And I ca't grab it
[07:23] <kent> thoreauputic, freet, id rahter use an panel applet than gkrellm. I find gkrellm a bit ugly :(
[07:23] <lolminator> need help
[07:23] <Arnia> xcompmgr complains I don't have a damage extension
[07:23] <prego> synd, however if you don't have render-accelerated drivers... it is pain slow
[07:23] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.
[07:23] <WeirdAl> What do you mean "no root file system"?
[07:23] <Arnia> But I definitely installed it and enabled composite
[07:23] <lolminator> in partipition..
[07:23] <synd> ahh.. we'll see if i do or not : )
[07:24] <thoreauputic> kent: you realise it has hundreds of skins, including a transparent one?
[07:24] <freet> kent: well, there isn't one skin in the universe u like on gkrellm? :)
[07:24] <lolminator> I choose one and it comes and error noo rootfile system
[07:24] <WeirdAl> You choose one from what?
[07:24] <WeirdAl> Are you installing it?
[07:24] <lolminator> yes,
[07:24] <Dr_Willis> gotta love vague answers :P
[07:24] <WeirdAl> OK
[07:24] <WeirdAl> What you have to do is this:
[07:24] <lolminator> sorry I am bad at english
[07:24] <WeirdAl> Pick the partition where you want root to be
[07:24] <prego> Arnia, you are in hoary?
[07:25] <WeirdAl> Highlight it and press enter
[07:25] <kent> freet, thoreauputic, its more the fact that I like a clean desktop, sort of.  I want it as an applet in the panel, thats all :)
[07:25] <WeirdAl> You will get a list of properties for it.
[07:25] <WeirdAl> The format should be ext3
[07:25] <freet> kent: hehe
[07:25] <lolminator> brb
[07:25] <Arnia> prego: yeah
[07:25] <WeirdAl> And where it says "use as:", that's where you tell it to be root.
[07:25] <prego> Arnia, you need to enable composite extension, btw
[07:25] <freet> kent: u can hide it from all of the panels and stuff, but it looks like we can't convince u :)
[07:25] <nmsa> hello
[07:25] <WeirdAl> Alternatively, let the partitioner do it for you.
[07:26] <Arnia> prego: It is enabled. And the xorg log shows its being loaded
[07:26] <WeirdAl> Dammit... g2g. bbiab
[07:26] <freet> kent: sorry, don't know any others :)
[07:26] <freet> im away for a couple of minutes
[07:26] <lolminator> back
[07:26] <freet> enjoy yourselves :)
[07:27] <lolminator> the error message still show's
[07:27] <Arnia> prego: when I run xcompmgr I get the message "No damage extension"
[07:27] <prego> Arnia, weird
[07:27] <bretzel> back too. Question again, If I install a SATA drive, is the kernel detect it even if I already have two IDE drives ?
[07:27] <prego> Arnia, you are not in a Xnest session, do you?
[07:27] <Arnia> No, I'm not
[07:27] <lolminator> should I format the whole disk or just the partition?
[07:27] <Arnia> I'm having so many odd effects with XOrg and fglrx atm though
[07:27] <Arnia> Its beginning to concern me
[07:28] <m-screen> lolminator, i think you want just to format the partition
[07:28] <lolminator> its done
[07:28] <lolminator> ext3
[07:28] <lolminator> still no root file system
[07:28] <m-screen> lolminator, don't forget to crreate a swap partition too.
[07:28] <prego> Arnia, probably fglrx does not have damage extension or sth like that...
[07:28] <freet> lolminator: u have to attach it
[07:29] <lolminator> did
[07:29] <prego> Arnia, I don't know really...
[07:29] <m-screen> lolminator, did you configure ther mount point?
[07:29] <freet> lolminator: i mean, u have to attach it to "/"
[07:29] <prego> Arnia, try opensource drivers
[07:29] <Arnia> Unless I use composite, my screen resolution drops to 1024 by 768 but I get a virtual desktop size of the same as my selected resolution
[07:29] <freet> lolminator: that's one of te options
[07:29] <Arnia> XV doesn't work
[07:29] <lolminator> brb:p
[07:29] <thoreauputic> lolminator: umm... you formatted your *root* partition??
[07:29] <prego> Arnia, AFAIK nvidia drivers used not to allow glx and composite at the same time (I don't know if that has been solved either)
[07:30] <freet> thoreauputic: no, he's installing i think :)
[07:30] <freet> thoreauputic: he needs a root partition to install to
[07:30] <thoreauputic> freet: one can only hope....
[07:30] <Arnia> prego: Oh I know I can't use both GLX and composite. I'm just wondering why I can't use XV at all, in either state :)
[07:31] <lolminator> ahh thanks you guys I will be back if I got some more problems;)
[07:31] <prego> Arnia, do you have enough memory at your card????
[07:31] <prego> Arnia, it is not a shared-memory-laptop, is it?
[07:31] <Arnia> prego: 128Mb
[07:31] <Arnia> prego: yes, it is
[07:31] <m-screen> lolminator, good luck
[07:32] <prego> Arnia, the card gets the memory from the RAM??
[07:32] <prego> Arnia, if so, check your bios settings if you want Xv and high resolution and high display depth, you will have to transfer more memory to your card. But Something like 32Mb or 64Mb should be enough
[07:33] <Arnia> prego: Last I checked I was transfering 128Mb across... and I run at 1280 x 1024 (with composite) perfectly happily at truecolour
[07:33] <eviltwin> hi
[07:34] <eviltwin> "There is no pluggin installed to handle MP3 files": that appears to me when trying to run rythmbox in my hoary livecd... Is a joke?
[07:35] <holycow> no
[07:35] <holycow> mp3 is a patented file format
[07:35] <Bazzi> eviltwin mp3 is patented.
[07:35] <prego> Arnia, re-check, however some drivers require passing the memory used by the card as a parameter in the xorg.conf file for certain tasks (I don't think it may be the case, but who knows)
[07:35] <holycow> in order for you to play it back you need to buy a player
[07:35] <eviltwin> wtf?
[07:35] <Quinn_Storm> or install non-Free software
[07:35] <holycow> or get a free player that has payed the mp3 licencing fees to the mp3 consortium
[07:35] <cornholio> hi everybody...
[07:35] <Bazzi> eviltwin now you understand the discussion about software patents ;)
[07:35] <Arnia> prego: How would you specify that?
[07:35] <cornholio> how i can disable a module in ubuntu ?
[07:36] <eviltwin> Bazzi, i've understood before
[07:36] <cornholio> without recompile the kernel
[07:36] <holycow> if you did you wouldn't of asked the question
[07:36] <jeanjean> i got an error while loading lt-lmsensors for gdeskels
[07:36] <eviltwin> Bazzi, but i didn't now mp3 was patented
[07:36] <jeanjean> this error Invalid UTF-8 encoded text
[07:36] <holycow> obviously ubuntu did not go out and pay the consortium their extortion fees
[07:36] <Bazzi> eviltwin =)
[07:36] <prego> Arnia that is driver/hardware dependant. I don't think it is the case... and probably you would already know it if it was
[07:36] <eviltwin> i've always played mp3s in my debian box
[07:36] <eviltwin> but, well, i've added the non-free sources
[07:36] <prego> Arnia, however I'm not a ATI owner right now... :-((
[07:36] <jeanjean> i want to edit my source an repair it but what is a valid encode for it ?
[07:37] <holycow> evil, exacdtly
[07:37] <Bazzi> holycow if I ever have money, I'll donate it to ubuntu to pay the fees
[07:37] <prego> guys, I have to go. See you soon.
[07:37] <eviltwin> ok, i can't play mp3s unless i add non-free sources
[07:37] <eviltwin> am i wrong?
[07:37] <Arnia> prego: Ok, thanks for your help
[07:37] <Arnia> D'oh
[07:37] <holycow> Bazzi, *nod* cool
[07:38] <holycow> okay, what has ubuntu change vis a vis the applications menu?
[07:38] <thoreauputic> eviltwin: well, mpg321 is in universe, and AFAIK it's free software
[07:38] <holycow> i just installed crossover office and none of the apps links are autogenerated, which is fine, but i cant right click and add a launcher to the applications menu
[07:38] <holycow> why is that?
[07:39] <Jamminpotato> when ever someone says jamminpotato in xchat, their nick by the side turns tyellow, but i want their acutal text of the message to change to red
[07:39] <jan__> hi
[07:39] <Jamminpotato> hwo do i do that
[07:39] <holycow> Jamminpotato, right click in xchat properties
[07:39] <holycow> change the colours
[07:39] <thoreauputic> Jamminpotato: are you serious?
[07:39] <holycow> or settings rather
[07:39] <Jamminpotato> yes im serious
[07:40] <Jamminpotato> after i right clikc wht happend
[07:40] <Jamminpotato> *what happens
[07:40] <eviltwin> thoreauputic, but mpg321 is not in the livecd
[07:40] <thoreauputic> eviltwin: no. I guess not
[07:41] <eviltwin> the thing is i can't play mp3s at the moment :D
[07:41] <Jamminpotato> holycow: what do i do ?
[07:41] <thoreauputic> eviltwin: since Canonical don't want to be sued....
[07:41] <lolminator> thanks for all the help I got again I am now downloading updates;)
[07:41] <lolminator> bye
[07:42] <Jamminpotato> anyone want to tell me how to vchange it fro yellow nicks to red text when people say my nick
[07:42] <haselden> eviltwin:  see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats/
[07:42] <fraggsta> I'm trying to help someone remove the nvidia-glx package from a hoary installation
[07:42] <fraggsta> but he's constantly getting dpkg-divert: rename involves overwriting <file>" errors concerning files in /usr/X11R6/
[07:43] <thoreauputic> Jamminpotato: we're kind of busy helping people with real problems.... :)
[07:43] <fraggsta> I've tried getting him to do "dpkg -r --force-all nvidia-glx" but that doesn't help
[07:43] <eviltwin> "However, you can still play your MP3s with rhythmbox if you install gstreamer0.8-mad (you need to add the universe repository, see section 2 above)."
[07:43] <Jamminpotato> thoreauputic: this is a real problem, and it wotn take but a sec
[07:43] <fraggsta> how can I get nvidia-glx to uninstall?
[07:43] <eviltwin> does hoary livecd have that plugin?
[07:43] <holycow> Jamminpotato, i told you what to do
[07:43] <holycow> why are you asking me twice?
[07:44] <haselden> i don't believe so
[07:44] <Jamminpotato> holycow, i tried right clicking and nothing happened
[07:44] <holycow> Jamminpotato, find the preferences in the menu somewhere
[07:44] <jeanjean> does anyone know this bug: Pango-WARNING **: pango-layout.c:910: Error on line 1 char 9: Invalid UTF-8 encoded text
[07:44] <holycow> i'm not going to run you through this
[07:44] <Taleel> is xmms on the LiveCD? that should be able to play MP3s
[07:44] <Jamminpotato> well i cant find the option anywhere on the prefrences
[07:44] <eviltwin> Taleel, is not
[07:44] <StR> ;)
[07:44] <Taleel> eviltwin: bummer
[07:44] <thoreauputic> Jamminpotato: just explore the prefs - you might learn something
[07:44] <holycow> settings preferences?
[07:44] <holycow> your kidding?
[07:45] <Jamminpotato> holycow, thoreauputic, i've explored every option in settings>preferences and i cant find it
[07:45] <holycow> oh i see
[07:45] <holycow> you want us to find it for you
[07:45] <holycow> how nice
[07:45] <eviltwin> Taleel, i wish i could now what does 'bummer' mean
[07:45] <StR> I know Debian gets its names from  de ToyStory Movie..  but  what about Ubuntu, where does the warty and hoary come from?
[07:45] <eviltwin> now == know
[07:46] <Jamminpotato> holycow, i was just wondering if anyone knew where the option was
[07:46] <holycow> what makes you think i have the time to dig through a billion settings for you?
[07:46] <Jamminpotato> or if there is an option
[07:46] <thoreauputic> Jamminpotato: I'm sorry but it sounds kind of trivial to me, and the sort of thing you might have to sort out yourself
[07:46] <holycow> Jamminpotato, its in the colours section, look for one of the yellows and change it to something else
[07:46] <holycow> you can't be seriously asking this question
[07:47] <Jamminpotato> holycow, i looked in colors and i see no yellow, that was my first idea
[07:47] <Jamminpotato> thats why im askign ehre
[07:47] <Taleel> eviltwin: it means "too bad" or "that's unfortunate" or "you unlucky bastard" :-)
[07:47] <xwildph> hey ppls..  i have problems with a shipped 4.10 powerpc install of ubuntu..  it didn't set up x11..  how can i redo base configuration?
[07:47] <thoreauputic> Jamminpotato: please stop wasting the channel's time with this frivolous wish of yours
[07:47] <eviltwin> Taleel, well, NOW i'm unluckly, i'll have to play mi compact discs again
[07:48] <DocUb> Xwildph: goto Synatpic and type in x11
[07:48] <haselden> just install it eviltwin :)
[07:48] <DocUb> Synaptic is in the System directory in the menu
[07:48] <Jamminpotato> thoreauputic, i was just wondering if there is an option at all sincei couldnt find it....i appreciate the help though
[07:48] <DocUb> better yet, Administration
[07:48] <eviltwin> haselden, i have my own debian installed, but now i HAVE TO use a livecd
[07:48] <DocUb> Syetem > Administration > Synaptic
[07:49] <eviltwin> and i wondered if i could play mp3s
[07:49] <DocUb> System*
[07:49] <haselden> yeah, it's unfortunate the live cd doesn't have mp3 by default
[07:49] <Jamminpotato> yes it is
[07:49] <xwildph> Synatpic?   I don't have x11 running..  is there a dpkg command to re-do the second stage installer bit?
[07:49] <Jamminpotato> acuatlly no its not, htats what made me acutally install ubuntu, getting mp3 support
[07:50] <icarus> anyone know why totem-xine crashes if i loop my playlist?
[07:50] <holycow> haselden, it's not unfortunate, it's correct
[07:50] <haselden> i know...legally
[07:50] <haselden> it's all good
[07:50] <eviltwin> that's right
[07:50] <DocUb> hmm
[07:50] <treke> mp3 support will be fine to add in 40 or 50 years. no worries
[07:50] <eviltwin> i'm happy ubuntu only gives free software by default, like debian
[07:51] <thoreauputic> icarus: try xine-ui - it seems a bit more stable to me
[07:51] <holycow> eviltwin, me too, keeping close to debian as possible is very important to me too
[07:51] <HiddenWolf> My god. The distrowatch rankings are mad. We nog have a 1000hpd lead on Mandrake over the last month.
[07:51] <eviltwin> holycow, have u ever used debian?
[07:51] <DocUb> not sure how to run around the dpkg command
[07:52] <[nrx_] > DocUb, what you trying to do?
[07:52] <icarus> thoreauputic:  ok, thanks.
[07:52] <DocUb> Xwildph is tryin got get x11 installed
[07:52] <holycow> evilstoy,
[07:52] <DocUb> but does not x11 running and needs the dpkg command to get it going
[07:52] <holycow> sorry
[07:53] <xwildph> actually.. i've just received a set of 4.10 ppc cds..  but it didn't install right..
[07:53] <holycow> evilstoy, use it exclusively, i'm just testing ubuntu for the first time
[07:53] <thoreauputic> icarus: you can get skins for it, so if you want to change the look it isn't hard
[07:53] <xwildph> found a fix to edit the loadmodules file in initrd & re-make the initrd
[07:53] <eviltwin> holycow, like me too (i think that was for me)
[07:53] <evilstoy> hehe
[07:53] <xwildph> but the base system (second install) didn't work
[07:53] <DocUb> nrx_ got any suggestions that land?
[07:53] <Insom> hi yall
[07:53] <WeirdAl> So how can I move my Gnome panel thing without dragging it?
[07:53] <xwildph> when rebooted & i created my first user..  it tried to use apt to install lots of stuff.
[07:53] <WeirdAl> It's starting to annoy me
[07:54] <cbr> can i install ubuntu without grub?
[07:54] <xwildph> install failed with read-only partition errors.
[07:54] <DocUb> cbr yes
[07:54] <thoreauputic> WeirdAl: you can't drag it?
[07:54] <xwildph> so i needto get back into that install part
[07:54] <WeirdAl> No
[07:54] <cbr> should i install 4.10 or 5.04?
[07:54] <WeirdAl> It's on the right hand side of the screen where my computer decided to deposit it
[07:54] <[nrx_] > DocUb, what are you trying to do? lol
[07:54] <DocUb> 5.04
[07:54] <DocUb> nrx_ ask xwildph
[07:54] <cbr> thought so, more up-to-date huh?
[07:54] <thoreauputic> WeirdAl: have you tried running ` killall gnome-panel`  ?
[07:54] <DocUb> yes cb
[07:55] <WeirdAl> No. How do I get it back again after that?
[07:55] <thoreauputic> WeirdAl: sometimes helps - it regenerates
[07:55] <WeirdAl> ah
[07:55] <[nrx_] > hold on.. you asked for help
[07:55] <cbr> thanks, getting hoary-rc-install-i386.iso as we speak
[07:55] <[nrx_] > not me..
[07:55] <xwildph> [nrx]   he's trying to help me..  a stuffed up install
[07:55] <[nrx_] > oh
[07:55] <[nrx_] > sorry
[07:55] <[nrx_] > lol
[07:55] <WeirdAl> OK now I don't have any
[07:55] <WeirdAl> oh, tell al ie
[07:55] <WeirdAl> a lie*
[07:55] <WeirdAl> It's come back in the same place though
[07:56] <Dreamer3> i'm trying to make a window list down the side (left)... is there no way to make a toolbar larger than 120px?
[07:56] <cavediver> Hi. Where do I add dirs to the path so it will be set every reboot ?
[07:56] <treke> in your .bashrc
[07:56] <haselden> you can do it in your .bashrc
[07:57] <eviltwin> well guys
[07:57] <eviltwin> thank you
[07:57] <eviltwin> peace
[07:57] <thoreauputic> WeirdAl: alternative is to back up and rename your ~/.gnome2 and other gnome files  and restart gnome: you should get back to a default state
[07:58] <Bitoiu> hello everybody
[07:58] <WeirdAl> ok
[07:58] <thoreauputic> WeirdAl: then you can selectively replace them
[07:58] <thoreauputic> WeirdAl: there are a few - .gnome2 .gnome and so on
[07:58] <Dreamer3> anyone: i'm trying to make a window list down the side (left)... is there no way to make a toolbar larger than 120px?
[07:59] <freet> thoreauputic: hey, for the kubuntu-desktop package, where is that?
[07:59] <Bitoiu> can u help me or redirect me to a faq, explaining why "linux-images" "linux-restricted-modules" couldn't be upgraded and now i always have an error when using the synaptic upgrade -> base-config and console data?????
[07:59] <thoreauputic> freet: universe?
[07:59] <freet> thoreauputic: i mean, the url for in sources.list
[07:59] <freet> thoreauputic: but is it part of unstable?
[08:00] <WeirdAl> OK cheers.
[08:00] <thoreauputic> freet: um, this in't debian
[08:00] <WeirdAl> That'll teach me not to drag stuff on a slow computer.
[08:00] <Bitoiu> i forgot to say i'm using Hoarty 5.04
[08:00] <thoreauputic> freet: what do you mean?
[08:00] <Bitoiu> anyone can point me to a solution?
[08:00] <freet> thoreauputic: well, hoary, isn't that the unstable thing?
[08:00] <WeirdAl> thor: .gconf as well?
[08:00] <randabis> no
[08:00] <randabis> hoary is a release candidate
[08:01] <randabis> grumpy groundhog will be unstable
[08:01] <Amaranth> grumpy groundhog doesn't exist
[08:01] <freet> anyway, in sources.list, change warthy with hoary?
[08:01] <randabis> hoary = testing in debian terms
[08:01] <Amaranth> it's going to be called breezy
[08:01] <randabis> Amaranth: incorrect
[08:01] <Jamminpotato> breezy badger?
[08:01] <Amaranth> randabis: ask -devel
[08:01] <thoreauputic> freet: AFAIK kubuntu-desktop is in universe or main on Hoary - I'm still using Warty here
[08:02] <randabis> Amaranth: breezy will be the next stable release
[08:02] <freet> thoreauputic: me too
[08:02] <randabis> grumpy will be a continuous unstable branch
[08:02] <Bitoiu> anyone had this problem, i tried google but didn't find anything interesting!!
[08:02] <freet> anybody tell me dependencies for hoary?
[08:02] <Dreamer3> can i not click on the desktop in gnome and get a list of running processes, is that some other WM?
[08:02] <freet> is it the same, just changing warthy to hoary?
[08:02] <WeirdAl> yaaaaaaaaaay
[08:02] <Jamminpotato> the warty to hoary was acutually really easy to do
[08:02] <WeirdAl> It got rid of all the launchers so I had something to grab!
[08:03] <WeirdAl> \o/ thanks thor
[08:03] <randabis> Dreamer3: there's a tool called System Monitor that will list them
[08:03] <thoreauputic> freet: I think to do kubuntu you need to dist-upgrade - you *can* do apt-get install kde-base or something like that on warty
[08:03] <randabis> kubuntu is hoary or greater
[08:03] <Dreamer3> randabis: i mean like a desktop menu, but one with my running apps so i can pick one and it takes focus
[08:03] <freet> thoreauputic: yeah, but be4 i can do that, i need to know the sources.list for hoary
[08:03] <randabis> oh
[08:03] <randabis> Dreamer3: I don't think it can do that
[08:03] <Dreamer3> randabis: must be anyone WM :-/
[08:03] <freet> thoreauputic: so, just adjustng warty to hoary?
[08:03] <thoreauputic> freet: only if you want the latest
[08:04] <thoreauputic> yes
[08:04] <Dreamer3> randabis: now that i have hoary i'm trying to re-layout my desktop
[08:04] <freet> k thxc
[08:04] <Dreamer3> randabis: shake things up a little
[08:04] <randabis> Dreamer3: I see