[15:35] <jbicha> fossfreedom: I'm uploading mutter 3.24.2 to artful now; I don't think there will be any issues (and it's artful any way), just letting you know
[20:19] <kaenovsky> Subject: Add lock rotation button to Ubuntu Budgie
[20:19] <kaenovsky> Hello there :) I've tried to get some help from askubuntu but this seems to be more specific:
[20:19] <kaenovsky> I'm having a problem with my HP screen rotation. It works like a smartphone or tablet and it changes the screen display when I move the laptop to the sides.
[20:19] <kaenovsky> I know that Gnome has a Lock Rotation button. And I would like to have the same in Budgie (for what I know, it's based in Gnome, right?).   Guess that there must be another gsettings daemon key to play with now.
[20:24] <fossfreedom> I'm afraid the only way to diagnose this is to find out where the source code is for the lock button on gnome-shell and see what it does now.
[20:29] <kaenovsky> damn, I have no clue how to do what you say : / should I send a bug report or something? I'm also thinking of switching to gnome. It's my girlfriends laptop
[20:30] <fossfreedom> please raise the bug-report - ubuntu-bug budgie-desktop-environment
[20:31] <fossfreedom> Shouldnt be that hard to track down
[20:35] <jbicha> kaenovsky: gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.peripherals.touchscreen orientation-lock true
[20:38] <fossfreedom> thanks for answering that one jbicha
[20:39] <kaenovsky> jbicha: thank you! I'm telling her to try this. I'll get back to you asap!
[20:43] <kaenovsky> jbicha: it works!! Thank you so much


[01:29] <cmaloney> Do those headphones work for other people?
[01:30] <cmaloney> like aim them directionally? :)
[01:31] <rick_h_> hah
[01:44] <cmaloney> https://plus.google.com/+PedroHenriqueKopper/posts/XZD2QhqmGce
[01:46] <rick_h_> makes sense to me
[02:07] <cmaloney> hello google
[02:47] <cmaloney> http://www.ianbicking.org/blog/2014/02/saying-goodbye-to-python.html
[02:47] <cmaloney> :(
[02:47] <rick_h_> it's only been that way for 4yrs
[02:47] <rick_h_> he should have written that long ago
[02:47] <rick_h_> instead of going silent as everyone tried to use his libs he abandoned
[02:48] <cmaloney> Yeah
[02:48] <cmaloney> But still, feels like Javascript is getting the interesting folks
[02:48] <rick_h_> mozilla is
[02:48] <cmaloney> Ah, true
[02:48] <jrwren> that site isn't working for me :(
[02:49] <jrwren> Firefox can't find the server at blog.ianbicking.org.&f=regular
[02:49] <rick_h_> but yea, I do like his post. It affirms what I've thought as well re: JS community and such
[02:49] <rick_h_> http://r.bmark.us/u/eb9ef47914589c
[02:49] <rick_h_> :)
[03:00] <jrwren> why the hel would you leave the py community for js
[03:01] <jrwren> python rules.
[03:13] <cmaloney> jrwren: I guess when you've been there for a while there's a bit of wander-lust
[12:06] <cmaloney> Good morning
[12:31] <rick_h_> morning
[12:39] <rick_h_> brousch: thanks for the link
[12:41] <brousch> rick_h_: Are you trying to get in under the PSF?
[14:33] <rick_h_> google voice watch out? http://r.bmark.us/u/74e3b507ad663b
[14:33] <rick_h_> oh right, it's BB...nvm
[14:41] <brousch> Hm. I had to use Eclipse this morning and it irritated me. Then Komodo Edit (which I've been doing most Python dev in) also irritated me. Vim is the only one that hasn't irritated me today
[14:41] <rick_h_> come to the dark side
[14:41] <brousch> All ssh work is in vim
[14:42] <mathomastech_> Anyone ever use pyGTK with glade for a cross platform app?
[14:48] <brousch> mathomastech: About 4 years ago I toyed with it
[14:49] <brousch> Kivy is my cross-platform GUI framework now
[14:53] <mathomastech> brousch: Neat, supports IOS and Android as well. I don't think GTK+ has that.
[14:53] <brousch> It does not
[14:54] <brousch> GTK does not, that is
[14:57] <brousch> rick_h_: oooooooooh http://pytennessee.tumblr.com/post/76468750603/pytn-profiles-chris-mcdonough-and-simon-solutions
[14:58] <rick_h_> brousch: yea, cool stuff. pyTN is going to be a good conf
[14:59] <brousch> Are you going?
[15:00] <cmaloney> I know I don't have any plans at the moment to go to TN
[15:00] <cmaloney> brousch: You going?
[15:01] <rick_h_> no, but I wish I had gone. I underestimated how good it would be in a first year conf
[15:01] <brousch> I'm not going. I thought I'd be going to PyCon so I skipped it. PyTN is doing a bang-up job it looks like
[15:02] <brousch> Sold out!
[15:06] <cmaloney> wow
[15:53] <cmaloney> http://m.aux.tv/news/100455-7-royalty-cheques-that-ll-make-you-lose-your-faith-in-the-music-industry
[15:53] <cmaloney> Some more royalty checks.
[15:57] <jrwren> as if anyone has faith in the music industry.
[15:57] <jrwren> what idiot titled that.
[15:57] <cmaloney> Well, I'm sure someone out there thinks musicians all make tons of money
[15:58] <cmaloney> when the reality is a few big acts make most of the money
[15:59] <jrwren> I have no sympathy of these artists.
[15:59] <jrwren> they sold out when they signed with a big label.
[15:59] <jrwren> the big label licensed the music to these streaming companies.
[15:59] <jrwren> its been 30 years since Subpop was founded.
[15:59] <jrwren> When will kids learn?
[15:59] <jrwren> You don't sign with a label. PERIOD
[16:00] <cmaloney> jrwren: No argument here
[16:00] <jrwren> the only name in that entire article tha I know is Cracker
[16:00] <cmaloney> but then on the flip side if you sell on a site like bandcamp or what-not you still get your music torrented
[16:00] <jrwren> and missing from teh article is how mch $$$$ Cracker made in 1993-4 when that song was all over major radio and MTV
[16:01] <jrwren> cmaloney: how is that flip side? all music gets torrented.
[16:01] <cmaloney> had a conversation with a band about how their new album won't be CC licensed because they want to recoup their cost.
[16:01] <cmaloney> and they were miffed that their album was torrented / on filesharing sites
[16:01] <jrwren> lol
[16:02] <jrwren> they can't do anything about that. That poor band. They need some reeducation.
[16:02] <cmaloney> and I said that they were going to get that, CC-license or not
[16:02] <cmaloney> Yeah
[16:02] <cmaloney> I wish folks didn't have the attitude that artists shouldn't be paid
[16:02] <jrwren> I'd also like to point out, again about Cracker - Low - that was 20 years ago. Well outside of the 14yr default copyright of Copyright Act of 1790.  :)
[16:03] <cmaloney> but unfortunately there are a lot of great bands and plenty of gristle for labels to take advantage
[16:03] <jrwren> I wish artists didn't have attitude that they should be payed for use.
[16:03] <cmaloney> jrwren: I'm on the fence about that
[16:03] <cmaloney> I want artists to be paid for their music
[16:03] <jrwren> me too, its called performance.
[16:04] <cmaloney> I don't feel corporations should own that performance
[16:04] <jrwren> and hell, in our culture its done via branding and merch.
[16:04] <jrwren> I don't feel corporations should own that performance either.
[16:05] <jrwren> i'm getting angry just thinking about that article :)
[16:05] <cmaloney> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discipline_Global_Mobile#Business_aims
[16:05] <jrwren> "9 time grammy award winner..."  as if that matters at all
[16:06] <cmaloney> I love the quote that Fripp wrote. It's on all of the King Crimson releases from DGM.
[16:06] <cmaloney> "The phonographic copyright in these performances is operated by Discipline Global Mobile on behalf of the artists, with whom it resides, contrary to common practice in the record industry. Discipline accepts no reason for artists to assign the copyright interests in their work to either record company or management by virtue of a 'common practice' which was always questionable, often improper, and is
[16:06] <cmaloney> now indefensible."
[16:06] <jrwren> for a sec I thought it was David Geffin and I thought WTF?
[16:07] <cmaloney> Yeah, not quite
[16:07] <cmaloney> that's DGC
[16:07] <jrwren> I do like hte mission statement and business aims.
[16:08] <cmaloney> Yeah, but they too ran into business problems
[16:08] <jrwren> its a good example of a corporation that exists to not just make money.
[17:04] <mrgoodcat> hello all, just thought you might want to know the CHC link in the topic is broken.
[17:04] <rick_h_> mrgoodcat: ah, good call
[17:04] <rick_h_> cmaloney: or greg-g can you update to http://royaloak.coffeehousecoders.com/ or a short of that?
[17:04] <mrgoodcat> also so is the All About Us link
[17:06] <mrgoodcat> it links to http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-michigan/ when it should link to http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-us-mi/
[17:09] <mrgoodcat> also the michigan repository mirror appears down right now
[17:11] <mrgoodcat> greg-g: the All About Us link is also broken
[17:11] <greg-g> got it
[17:11] <mrgoodcat> lol nm
[17:11] <mrgoodcat> I just decided to try to get involved in the LoCo group and all the topic links were broken lol
[17:12] <greg-g> hah, oops
[17:12] <mrgoodcat> nbd. i found the relevant websites anyways. I also joined the mailing list. perhaps that should be in the topic as well?
[17:13] <cmaloney> welcome. :)
[17:14] <wolfger> good afternoon, peeps
[17:16] <greg-g> and yeah, welcome to the nicest free software irc channel around :)
[17:17] <mrgoodcat> the only irc channels i have frequented have been the WMU computer club channels and some ruby and Go dev channels
[17:17] <mrgoodcat> so I have very little precedent
[17:18] <wolfger> just take greg-g's word for it. :-)
[17:20] <mrgoodcat> I meant to attend CHC last night but I had too much to do. oh well, there's always next week
[17:20] <rick_h_> yep, good think about CHC is there's always another one < 7 days away
[17:21] <mrgoodcat> how did chc get started?
[17:21] <wolfger> anybody here familiar with miracast or WiDi?
[17:21] <rick_h_> mrgoodcat: ann arbor started one but it was too far for me to drive with a kid
[17:21] <rick_h_> mrgoodcat: and theirs isn't that regular and I wanted weekly hack time set aside
[17:21] <rick_h_> so there goes CHC, 4 years later...
[17:22] <rick_h_> wolfger: nope, not messed with it
[17:22] <mrgoodcat> wolfger: i've used samsung's AllShare Cast
[17:23] <wolfger> mrgoodcat:  which I gather is one particular implementation of miracast...
[17:23] <mrgoodcat> yes
[17:23] <wolfger> I just started investigating these things today, and I think "mess" is a good term to associate with it.
[17:24] <wolfger> what are your experiences?
[17:24] <mrgoodcat> AllShare Cast, SmartShare, Screen Mirroring, and Display Mirroring are all implementations of miracast
[17:24] <wolfger> good, bad, ugly?
[17:24] <mrgoodcat> well i've only used the samsung one (allshare) using my s4 and a samsung tv so it went pretty smoothly
[17:24] <mrgoodcat> but I know they have struggled gettting different implementations of miracast to play well together
[17:25] <wolfger> yeah... :-p
[17:25] <wolfger> How would I even know if my Toshiba laptop has mc/widi support?
[17:25] <mrgoodcat> also, it isn't a very well integrated experience, essentially just an exact display mirror
[17:25] <mrgoodcat> if you don't know, it probably doesn't
[17:26] <wolfger> well then, any further questions would be a moot point :-p
[17:26] <mrgoodcat> http://i.imgur.com/I2QmeZe.jpeg
[17:26] <wolfger> chromecast seems nice, but doesn't quite do everything I want (i.e. full-fledged screen share)
[17:27] <mrgoodcat> I love my chromecast
[17:27] <mrgoodcat> after owning it for 2 months I couldn't imagine ever going back
[17:28]  * rick_h_ is using his right now
[17:28] <mrgoodcat> I use it for google play movies and tv. it owns netflix in terms of ease of use and user experience
[17:29] <wolfger> My other issue with chromecast is that it's an hdmi dongle.... necessitating a TV with HDMI input
[17:29] <wolfger> fine at home, but less fine at hotels
[17:29] <mrgoodcat> it doesn't travel well anyways
[17:29] <wolfger> but for $35, it sounds like an awesome value
[17:30] <mrgoodcat> changing to new wifi networks is a nightmare
[17:30] <mrgoodcat> once you get it set up at home i promise you won't want to move it
[17:30] <mrgoodcat> rick_h_: have you had any problems with the sound on yours?
[17:30] <rick_h_> mrgoodcat: no, I've got 3 and no issues
[17:30] <mrgoodcat> what brand tv?
[17:30] <mrgoodcat> must not have lg
[17:31] <rick_h_> no, all samsung of various ages/sizes
[17:32] <mrgoodcat> mine is having audio issues with my lg tv, but other people i've talked to with similar problems have almost exclusively lg tvs... seems to be an issue with LG's implementation of the HDMI standard and chromecast doesn't handle the discrepencies well
[17:40] <mrgoodcat> does anybody here run on the ubuntu devel branch?
[17:41] <greg-g> I run Debian Unstable, if that counts ;)
[17:42] <mrgoodcat> i've thought about making the switch before, but if I was going to switch away from unity i'd rather go with arch
[17:42] <rick_h_> mrgoodcat: yea, I'm on trusty atm
[17:42] <greg-g> heh, interstingly phrased
[17:43] <mrgoodcat> i run arch on a couple of my machines and really like the rolling release model and from what i've heard running the devel branch is a little closer to being rolling release
[17:43] <mrgoodcat> greg-g: because i said unity not ubuntu?
[17:43] <greg-g> yeah :)
[17:43] <mrgoodcat> the only reason i stick with ubuntu is because it runs unity the best
[17:43] <rick_h_> well there's not really a devel on ubuntu
[17:43] <cmaloney> pet shop boys "opportunities (lets make lots of money)" earworm: worst thing ever or best thing ever?
[17:44] <greg-g> mrgoodcat: also, Unstable is rolling, until it gets close to Debian Release time, where it slows down a little bit
[17:44] <mrgoodcat> yes there is, I assume you use the trusy repos? there are also devel
[17:44] <greg-g> mrgoodcat: then it gets way more stable and then, BAM, back to rolling
[17:45]  * wolfger doesn't recognize that song and is looking it up on youtube... probably a bad idea....
[17:46] <cmaloney> wolfger: Your funeral
[17:46] <wolfger> Is that lead singer like 12 years old or what?
[17:46] <cmaloney> It was 1986. Everyone looked younger
[17:46] <mrgoodcat> rick_h_: http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/devel
[17:47] <rick_h_> mrgoodcat: yea, never looked at that. Curious how ppas and such work with that where you have to pick a series
[17:48] <wolfger> OK, first off, it's definitely not the best thing ever. Second, how did that ever achieve earworm status? I now know why it didn't click until I looked it up....l utterly forgettable.
[17:48] <greg-g> rick_h_: they just work, the info that those look at is updated correctly, it doesn't say "Ubuntu Devel" it says "Ubuntu Trusty" like yours
[17:48] <rick_h_> greg-g: ah interesting
[17:48] <cmaloney> wolfger: Just take my word for it. It's insidious
[17:48] <mrgoodcat> rick_h_: in order to switch to the devel branch you just have to change the animal name to devel in /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:48] <rick_h_> learn something new
[17:48] <greg-g> yeah
[17:49] <greg-g> Trusty is basically a symlink to devel
[17:49] <mrgoodcat> it says saucy though if you use devel
[17:49] <greg-g> ...
[17:49] <greg-g> what says saucy?
[17:49] <mrgoodcat> http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/devel/Release
[17:49] <mrgoodcat> lines 3 and 4
[17:50] <greg-g> huh
[17:50] <greg-g> ok, I might be wrong
[17:50] <mrgoodcat> it uses the most updated package but the release name is the most recently released. when trusty is released the devel branch will start using that name
[17:50] <mrgoodcat> it uses the trusty packages
[17:51] <wolfger> I'm so far behind the times... I don't even know what release names are post-Precise Pangolin
[17:51] <mrgoodcat> quantal quentsdflkjhas
[17:51] <mrgoodcat> raring ringtail
[17:51] <mrgoodcat> saucy salamander
[17:51] <mrgoodcat> truty tahr
[17:51] <wolfger> Did they accept my suggestion for Raunchy Raccoon? No? :-p
[17:51] <cmaloney> Then it'll be Urinating Unicorn
[17:51] <mrgoodcat> ha YES
[17:52] <cmaloney> Voluptuous Velociraptor
[17:52] <cmaloney> Whinging Whale
[17:52] <cmaloney> Xenochromatic Xenomorph
[17:52] <cmaloney> Yodeling Y-named animal
[17:52] <wolfger> Yodeling Yeti!
[17:52] <wolfger> Yes!
[17:53] <cmaloney> and Zoot-Suuited Zebra
[17:53] <greg-g> good one, yeti, I was stumped
[17:53] <cmaloney> then we'll start with greek letters.
[17:53] <cmaloney> like Tornado season.
[17:53] <cmaloney> Alpha Alpha RC1
[17:54] <cmaloney> ;)
[17:55] <wolfger> fraternity-themed releases?
[17:55] <mrgoodcat> just start back at a and use new animals? that could get confusing
[17:55] <wolfger> Wake me when they get to Tappa Kegga Brew
[17:55] <greg-g> kappa kappa kangaroo
[17:55] <cmaloney> karma kameleon
[17:56] <greg-g> cmaloney: EAR WORM
[17:56] <cmaloney> ;)
[17:56] <mrgoodcat> go with final fantasy naming. Ubuntu XXIVIVXI chapter XIIVI
[18:09] <mrgoodcat_> did I just time out on this channel?
[18:11] <brousch> wolfger: I have a couple of miracast dongles in use, and chromecast
[18:12] <mrgoodcat> the administrators rebooted the server i was running irssi on
[18:17] <mrgoodcat> apparently nobody on the admin team knows what is going on.... our ubuntu server is crashing hard though....
[18:20] <jrwren> cmaloney: i just realized I'm wearing  wcd tshirt and sweatshirt today. Its representative of our (C) conversation :)
[18:29] <mrgoodcat> wcd or wdc?
[18:43] <jrwren> wcd
[19:56] <cmaloney> jrwren: Hurray Women Corporate Directors!
[19:56] <cmaloney> (what is WCD?)
[20:01] <jrwren> whatcd
[20:03] <cmaloney> heh
[20:08] <brousch> That's what he's asking! What CD?
[20:19] <wolfger> what's on second
[23:11] <greg-g> yay!
[23:11] <greg-g> "Hello!
[23:11] <greg-g> If you are receiving this email you have been approved to travel to Zurich
[23:11] <greg-g> for the hackthon"
[23:12] <rick_h_> woot
[23:18] <wolfger> awesomesauce


[05:49] <pitti> Good morning
[07:22] <pitti> stgraber: still awake by any chance?
[07:38] <dholbach> good morning
[09:11] <mlankhorst> xnox: that unity upgrade bug is weird.. what happens when you apt-get install libxi6?
[09:21] <xnox> mlankhorst: it's all fine actually. and upgrade / install ubuntu-desktop works in a precise chroot.
[09:22] <xnox> mlankhorst: the user however, doesn't have default priorities - apt-cache policy shows -security pocket at 990, and -updates pocket at 900. By default all should be 900. Thus libxi from "-security" pocket is enforced, breaking the upgrade.
[09:22] <xnox> mlankhorst: none of the other packages have things in -security for that upgrade =/
[09:23] <xnox> mlankhorst: i did panic a bit with bug statuses, but now it's all set to incomplete/invalid states.
[09:44] <mlankhorst> ah
[09:44] <mlankhorst> xnox: yeah I did test the default case, had a feeling it was something like that ;-)
[09:46] <xnox> mlankhorst: yeah, it did look suspicious that the bug reporter, knew, and included, apt-cache policy. And it did turn out to look fishy =)
[10:33] <Laney> directhex: what issue is that?
[10:33] <Laney> oh
[10:33] <Laney> I misunderstood the use of 'main' ;-)
[10:38] <Laney> Can we have gtk-sharp3 promoted please? It's the gtk3 version of gtk-sharp2 which is already in main so I hope we can avoid the MIR.
[10:38] <Laney> per http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.txt
[10:45] <seb128> Laney, let me have a look
[10:47] <seb128> why is gnome-panel&co wanting to go to main?
[10:48] <seb128> oh, indicator-datetime recommends indicator-applet
[10:50] <seb128> hum, what about lightdm recommending lightdm-gtk-greeter?
[10:50] <seb128> Recommends: xserver-xorg, unity-greeter | lightdm-greeter | lightdm-kde-greeter
[10:50]  * seb128 wonders what's happening there
[10:56] <Laney> seems to be expanding the provides strangely
[11:40] <doko> mlankhorst, about 1266492, did you see this in a specific package?
[11:40] <mlankhorst> bug 1266492
[11:41] <mlankhorst> doko: xorg-server
[11:41] <mlankhorst> and the duplicate was a ftbfs for another bug
[11:41] <doko> mlankhorst, why doesn't these b-d on hardening-wrapper?
[12:03] <doko> mlankhorst, ^^^
[12:06] <doko> mlankhorst, looks like xorg-server has some hardening settings, but these are useless because of the missing b-d
[12:16] <mlankhorst> no idea, it's same as debian
[12:59] <Laney> directhex: looks like it got promoted
[12:59] <Laney> thanks seb128 (assuming it was you)
[12:59] <seb128> Laney, it was, yw
[13:00] <directhex> so banshee should build, and we can work on the rest of that little tangle
[13:01] <directhex> Finished 3 minutes ago (took 5 minutes, 32.4 seconds)
[13:09] <mdeslaur> @pilot in
[13:23] <xnox> seb128: is that's all because of ppc64el/arm64 build-scew. As in on amd64, gnome-palen doesn't want to go in =)
[13:23] <xnox> s/gnome-palen/gnome-panel/
[13:24] <seb128> xnox, oh, ok, I didn't even think that could be arch specific ... thanks ;-)
[13:24] <xnox> seb128: yeah, components-mismatches doesn't tell you that. E.g. I think if unity-greeter would build on ppc64el, it would be all fine.
[13:25] <seb128> xnox, I see, makes sense now that you say it ;-)
[13:25] <xnox> seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-greeter/+bug/1263436
[14:30] <stgraber> pitti: nope, but I am now
[14:30] <pitti> stgraber: bonjour
[14:31] <pitti> stgraber: apport with your container changes is in; I also fixed the init.d/upstart script for containers, but I'd appreciate a review of the changes from you
[14:31] <pitti> stgraber: I left some questions/comments in the MP, and filed bug 1267728 for SRUing
[14:33] <stgraber> pitti: I believe that bug is invalid
[14:33] <stgraber> pitti: I noticed that behaviour when testing but it's only happening because our current 3.13 kernel is buggy
[14:34] <pitti> stgraber: oh, you mean containers aren't supposed to be able to change core_pattern?
[14:34] <stgraber> pitti: once the kernel team fixes our 3.13 kernel to actually apply the apparmor profile as it should, the container won't be able to write core_pattern anymore
[14:34] <pitti> stgraber: ah, that would do it as well
[14:34] <pitti> stgraber: oh, it's only apparmor which prevents that, not the kernel itself?
[14:35] <pitti> stgraber: then I believe the upstream init.d check should stay
[14:35] <pitti> and we might just revert it from our upstart job
[14:35] <pitti> but if we don't need to SRU this, so much the better
[14:36] <pitti> jamespage: ah, openvswitch autopkgtest failure is because our version doesn't support kernel 3.13
[14:36] <stgraber> pitti: I guess it probably doesn't hurt having the check in the upstart job anyway (in case someone runs their container with lxc.aa_profile = unconfined)
[14:36] <stgraber> pitti: though on Ubuntu, you really want to use running-in-container rather than a direct check of pid 1's environment
[14:36] <pitti> stgraber: ah, ok
[14:36] <pitti> stgraber: right, I thought of that after I hit dput..
[14:37]  * pitti commits that change to avoid forgetting it
[14:37] <jamespage> pitti, indeed
[14:38] <jamespage> apw and I already discussed - I've reported that upstream; I've got inflight patches being reviewed upstream for 3.12; once those have landed, can look at 3.13 :-)
[14:38] <jamespage> for now we can drop the dkms package; they don't add much with 3.13
[14:38] <pitti> stgraber: (done)
[14:39] <apw> stgraber, a new 3.13.0-2 is building in the CKT ppa which should have the reguiste AA bits
[14:39] <pitti> jamespage: ah, we ship the driver in our kernel now?
[14:39] <jamespage> pitti, feature parity between the in-tree ovs module and the dkms module is almost 100% now
[14:39] <jamespage> the in-tree lack LISP tunnelling support (but that's pretty experimental)
[14:40] <stgraber> apw: cool, thanks!
[14:40] <apw> stgraber, if you are able to test all the better
[14:40] <stgraber> pitti: thanks for reviewing/merging that change, it took around a year longer than I anticipated to land this but it's great to finally have it :) (my kernel patch took quite a while to get merged upstream...)
[14:41] <stgraber> apw: sure, I'll grab it from the PPA and do a quick test here
[14:41] <apw> the signed bits are still pending publication
[14:41] <apw> oh notg that they are any use :)  being signed with the wrong key
[14:42] <stgraber> right, if they were signed they wouldn't boot here, thankfully our grub is still happy to boot unsigned kernels
[14:42] <pitti> oh, is it?
[14:42] <pitti> that means, if I alter the kernel image and grub would refuse it, the only thing I'd need to do is to remove the .signature file?
[14:43] <pitti> err, .signed
[14:43] <stgraber> yeah, grub will let you boot unsigned kernels on EFI but in that case will call ExitBootServices() before entering the kernel
[14:43] <stgraber> however if a kernel is signed with an invalid key, it won't boot
[14:43] <pitti> ah, I was hoping that once I turn that on, no unsigned/wrongly signed kernel would ever boot any more
[14:44] <cjwatson> I'll probably stop allowing unsigned kernels once all the MOK stuff is properly integrated
[14:44] <stgraber> it's not a standalone signature file, it's inline, but yes, you can use sbattach to remove the signature
[14:44] <cjwatson> so that it's easy for users to authorise their own kernels
[14:44] <pitti> it's inline? what is /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-1-generic.efi.signed then, just an informational copy?
[14:44] <cjwatson> pitti: the unsigned kernel won't be allowed *to execute code in boot-services context* - important distinction
[14:44] <pitti> oh, I see, it's big enough to *be* a kernel
[14:45] <pitti> I thought it was just a tiny file a few months ago, apparently I mislooked
[14:45] <pitti> thanks for the heads-up
[14:45] <stgraber> and yeah, MOK + disallowing unsigned binaries is the right way forward, once we have all the tools needed to easily generate a new signing key and having it added in the nvram variable
[14:49] <apw> pitti, the signature is carried as a tiny file in the binary package and added to a copy of the kernel on installatin
[14:49] <stgraber> apw: based on my 30s test, your new kernel looks good
[14:49] <stgraber> apw: boots fine, apparmor reload no longer complains and I can't trivially destroy my host from a container
[14:49] <pitti> apw: ah, thanks; so back then I was probalby looking at /usr/lib/linux/vmlinuz-3.13.0-1-generic.efi.signature
[14:49] <apw> stgraber, great, i'll get the security tests run on it,then let it out
[14:50] <pitti> stgraber, apw: cheers, closing the precise task in bug 1267728 then
[14:50] <pitti> and I made such a nice SRU test case/info..
[14:50] <pitti> but it's pretty much the same test case for verifying that kernel :)
[14:51] <stgraber> pitti: ah yeah, I also checked core_pattern
[14:51] <stgraber> root@p1:~# echo 1 > /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern
[14:51] <stgraber> -bash: /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern: Permission denied
[14:51] <pitti> nice
[14:51] <stgraber> (my original test was writing to the uevent handler which if not blocked lets you run code as root on the host)
[14:52] <pitti> stgraber: I didn't think of that at first, that gave me a big "WTF??" this mornign when testing your branch :)
[14:52] <pitti> (because apport didn't behave as I expected it to, as the container startup ate the new %P)
[14:53] <stgraber> haha, yeah, I had the same happen to me a couple of times when working on the branch :) I guess I should have mentioned it in the MP
[15:01] <directhex> can the ubuntu archive manglers delete a package from trusty to help a transition, whilst keeping the source package in place, such that the source package can be fixed at a later date? like deletion from testing in debian?
[15:03] <kentb> how long does it normally take for a package to move out of the Trusty upload queue?  Namely, I'm waiting for sblim-sfc-common.
[15:04] <cjwatson> directhex: there are a few different tactics for that.  the nearest analogue is demoting it to trusty-proposed
[15:04] <cjwatson> kentb: new packages need manual review, expected time would be days
[15:04] <cjwatson> (I can't promise to look today, sorry)
[15:04] <kentb> cjwatson: ok. np.
[15:05] <directhex> cjwatson, basically i don't expect to fix monodevelop-monogame for a month or two (due to upstream release schedule), and it's apparently a blocker on mono transition
[15:10] <cjwatson> directhex: I can only do this at a source package level.  Can you confirm that it's OK to demote all of monogame?  If so could you give me a brief log message I can use for the demotion?
[15:10] <cjwatson> directhex: also, if you could please file a bug against monogame in Ubuntu with the "block-proposed" tag, that'll stop it immediately going back in after I demote it
[15:16] <directhex> cjwatson, demoting the whole source package is fine. can i file a bug against cjohnston for overloading my cj<tab> irc usage?
[15:16] <cjohnston> 1, 2, 3<tab>
[15:16] <Laney> YEAH
[15:18] <directhex> ok, bug 1267892 filed
[15:18] <cjwatson> directhex: if I could, I would
[15:19] <cjwatson> directhex: ok, demoted
[15:19] <cjwatson> (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/monogame/+publishinghistory)
[16:08] <mdeslaur> @pilot out
[17:53] <mdeslaur> mpt: think we could reconsider not having a close button in the window title on this dialog: http://i.imgur.com/qlScVX7.png
[17:53] <mdeslaur> mpt: seems to be a common complaint from users
[17:55] <mpt> mdeslaur, that would be temporary, because Mir+Unity8 will never have close buttons on dialogs. However, that particular dialog is missing a “Restart Later” button (bug 1033226).
[17:58] <mdeslaur> mpt: ah! cool...I'll read through that and will poke at this this weekend. Thanks!
[19:09] <jdrab> mdeslaur: btw you can close that "restart to finnish" window from software updater
[19:09] <mdeslaur> from software updater6
[19:09] <mdeslaur> ?
[19:10] <jdrab> yes
[19:10] <jdrab> :D
[19:10] <jdrab> i don't know how it's called that compis effect but if you "display all windows"
[19:10] <jdrab> there is that little ugly close button there
[19:10] <jdrab> on that window
[19:10] <mdeslaur> well, you can also simply right click the launcher too
[19:11] <jdrab> 2 clicks. vs one :P
[19:14] <mdeslaur> ok, unassigning myself, too much work to implement
[20:02] <wadechandler> Has anyone here ever done any dev work with unity (assuming at some point certainly that answer is yes)? i.e. ever took your reg dev box, built it, replace your running version with the one you are deving, then reverted back when done? I just want to provide a patch which I think should be fairly simple to sort out on multiple displays, but have yet to work on it nor much anything else in Ubuntu land. I'm wondering if th
[20:02] <sarnold> wadechandler: you were cut off at "wondering if th"
[20:04] <dobey> wadechandler: btw, #ubuntu-unity is a channel specific to unity development
[20:05] <wadechandler> I'm wondering if there are any tutorials on the topic: 1) I can get the source (easy enough) 2) how to take a built set of outputs and install them, and then 3) how to revert all that back. I know I can use a VM and do that, but seems like over kill for a few things; yes I know I can kill my current OS by being an idiot :-)
[20:05] <wadechandler> silly client didn't chop it for me...must need a new client other than pidgin
[20:05] <wadechandler> thanks dobey
[20:06] <sarnold> wadechandler: there's nothing that gaurantees package downgrades will work; in my experience they usually do work, but some things are just easier done in a VM first :)
[20:08] <wadechandler> thanks sarnold; for some things I would totally think that, but in the case of multi monitors it can be tricky because of vid cards etc, but I should give it a shot that way anyways :-( I'm just lazy :-P
[20:08] <wadechandler> thanks
[20:09] <sarnold> wadechandler: cool :) have fun
[21:41] <brainwash> doko: hey, so the new bash upstream version is now available in debian experimental (4.3~rc1-1). would it be possible to setup a PPA for ubuntu to provide this new version? I assume that some changes are needed to make it work properly in ubuntu, right? if no, I could try the debian package
[21:43] <dobey> did the required patch level (-p option to patch) change for quilt packages in dpkg in trusty?
[21:44] <slangasek> quilt patches are always -p1 by default unless otherwise specified in the series
[21:45] <dobey> that's what i thought, but the patch i just created, won't apply, :-/
[21:46] <dobey> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6729042/ is what i'm getting
[21:46] <slangasek> is ubuntuone/devtools/testcases/tests/test_squid_testcase.py present in the upstream source?
[21:47] <slangasek> dpkg doesn't appear to be objecting to the patch, the patch simply doesn't apply
[21:47] <dobey> hrmm, it seems to not be in the bzr tree for some reason
[21:48] <dobey> and indeed is not in the tarball
[21:48] <dobey> wtf
[22:10] <infinity> dobey: bzr add? :P
[22:11] <dobey> infinity: no. none of the tests are in the tarball it seems. not sure why or when they stopped getting picked up by python during sdist. will have to figure it out later :-/


[00:30] <wxl> tsimonq2: 57% on this install. i'll check back later. i gotta go to a shin dig
[00:31] <tsimonq2> cya wxl
[01:53] <tsimonq2> wxl: got a chance to test all but one amd64
[01:53] <tsimonq2> wxl: if it's not done in the morning I'll finish it
[02:30] <lynorian> woot alternate 32 bit works in qemu kvm with bios
[03:54] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Alternate amd64 [Yakkety Beta 2] has been marked as ready
[03:54] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Alternate i386 [Yakkety Beta 2] has been marked as ready


[08:30] <jass> hi
[08:32] <jass> I need a help
[08:32] <jass> anyone here to help me
[08:32] <jass> ?
[08:42] <jass> hi
[08:57] <jass> hello
[08:59] <smartboyhw> JasonO, hello
[08:59] <smartboyhw> Oops sorry
[08:59] <smartboyhw> jass: Hello
[08:59]  * smartboyhw hates the tab error:P
[09:01] <jass> I have a problem
[09:01] <jass> in ubuntu 12.04
[09:01] <jass> Mozilla addons not working properly in ubuntu 12.04
[09:01] <smartboyhw> Oh?
[09:01] <jass> I am unable to install/uninstall the plugins. I don't why it is happening. :(
[09:02] <jass> yeah
[09:02] <smartboyhw> jass, what step did you take then?
[09:02] <jass> i unistalled the firefox
[09:02] <jass> and then reinstalled it
[09:02] <jass> but stall problem is there
[09:02] <jass> *still
[09:02] <jass> :(
[09:03] <smartboyhw> jass, is there an error log or something?
[09:03] <jass> for example
[09:04] <jass> i installed download helper
[09:04] <jass> in mozillla
[09:04] <jass> i got a message
[09:04] <smartboyhw> jass, what is the message?
[09:04] <jass> restart mozilla
[09:05] <jass> I restart again and again'
[09:05] <jass> but still message is there
[09:05] <jass> if I tried to install others addons
[09:05] <jass> the downloading processing going on
[09:05] <jass> thats it
[09:06] <jass> please help me
[09:07] <philipballew> isnt there a firefox channel that might work
[09:08] <jass> sorry I don't got you
[09:10] <philipballew> jass, thats to bad. sorry
[09:11] <jass> what?
[18:02] <fullondan> if i am logged into my user account on ubuntu and i want to install the bash shell in my user account, how do i do that?
[18:03] <dniMretsaM> fullondan: bash is automatically installed in Ubuntu
[18:03] <dniMretsaM> do you mean how to set it as your default shell?
[18:03] <fullondan> yes
[18:04] <dniMretsaM> This should do it, I think: sudo chsh -s bash
[18:06] <dniMretsaM> actually, it's this: chsh -s /bin/bash
[18:07] <dniMretsaM> sorry
[18:07] <fullondan> ok
[18:09] <fullondan> that did it
[18:16] <RickZilla> Can't you just log out and log back in with bash selected? or is that not an option/


[21:43] <stgraber> argh, /me doesn't like it when the gtk and qt frontend don't behave the same way... going with ugly workaround then (unicode problem in preseed())
[21:45] <stgraber> now to the next utf-8 bug... encoding problem when mountpoints contain utf-8 character, not sure why someone would even do that :)