[10:16] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:20] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:36] <soee> hiho BluesKaj
[11:38] <BluesKaj> hey soee, what's up today?
[11:39] <soee> BluesKaj: hunting bugs in Plasma 5.2 etc. :D
[11:41] <BluesKaj> soee, right, keep up the good work :)
[16:54] <mparillo> soee: Have you noticed any notifications for updates on 5.2 the way they pop up on 4.x and leave a muon-updater icon? I have never noticed them on 5.2, but apt update / apt upgrade / apt dist-upgrade seems to find them available?
[16:55] <soee> mparillo: nope, i think the muon updater is somehow broken/not cmpatible with 5.x
[16:57] <mparillo> TY. Anyway, this early in a release, I tend to use apt directly.
[17:02] <soee> thb i newver used this muon upgraded :D
[17:02] <soee> shadeslayer: do you know anythign about teh Muon Upgrader in Vivid + P5 beta ?
[17:03] <shadeslayer> nope
[17:03] <soee> ok,thanks
[17:12] <cpyarger> I was trying to compile this http://pastebin.com/4PuYzZW4 and got this mass as an output when attempting to compile http://pastebin.com/2gTa0VZp
[17:19] <shadeslayer> trying to mix qt4 and qt5?
[17:46] <soee> ok time to test hdmi->TV in Plasma 5.2 beta
[20:47] <Riddell> soee: how did hdmi do?
[20:50] <soee> Riddell: pretty good, when i was playing with the screens options plasmashell crashed, but it started again after few seconds. Basically if we do "Unify output" or apply some changes, for a few seconds system works like 5 fps/s. Not usre why but after i removed hdmi cable rom laptop, krunner crashed - that was the message but it worked anyway :)
[20:51] <soee> and all this was tested on Intel card, due to nvidia-prime issue i can't use nvidia card and propriety drivers
[20:52] <soee> anyway, video and audio worked well
[20:53] <soee> Riddell: any known date for QT 5.4 ?
[21:01] <Riddell> soee: nope but not until after 5.4.1 says mitya57
[21:01] <mparillo> soee: When you unlock your widgets from your panel and right click on them, do you have a remove option? I do not.
[21:02] <soee> mparillo: nope, you have to run Panel settings
[21:02] <ovidiu-florin> Can we bring KDevelop 4.7 in 14.04? without backports?
[21:03] <soee> uhm: "Yang: Current plan is to have Qt 5.4.1 released in February."
[21:03] <soee> so we might wait for QT 5.4 till the end of feb ? :)
[21:04] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: no it's a new version so it's by definition a backport
[21:04] <Riddell> but it can go into backports no bother if someone does the work
[21:04] <ovidiu-florin> bummer
[21:04] <ovidiu-florin> I think it already is in backports
[21:05] <yofel> not in the official one (trusty-backports) which would be the most you could do
[21:08] <soee> someone can take a look @ #kubuntu and the problem with packages from Trusty backports ?
[21:11] <kranzer> Riddell: ping
[21:14] <soee> yofel: any thoughs http://paste.ubuntu.com/9779201/ >
[21:18] <mparillo> soee: TY, and having to run Panel Settings before the remove is an option is working as designed, correct?
[21:18] <yofel> soee: not really and I don't have time to look into it right now
[21:19] <soee> mparillo: that i don't know :)
[21:19] <sitter> mparillo: yes
[21:19] <sitter> a bad one IMO
[21:19] <sitter> better than accidentially removing things though
[21:25] <mparillo> sitter: Thank you. I think that is worth documenting somwhere, and I did not find it in five minutes of googling. Is there a Plasma 5 wiki yet? I knew I made some minor edits to the Calligra wiki on KDE.org some years ago.
[21:27] <sitter> that restriction was introduced in the previous plasma even
[21:27] <sitter> 4.10 or something, it definitely has been in for quite a while
[22:15] <soee> ok for now i have this: https://cloud.soee.pl/public.php?service=files&t=9acc478c95d8bc861de4294172c53bc5
[22:16] <soee> if someone can confirm this bugs or know any new, share with me, ill test them after QT 5.4 release and report if needed
[22:22] <soee> http://www.myce.com/news/firefox-has-a-serious-memory-leak-and-ie11-uses-least-ram-cpu-in-our-test-74323/


[10:46] <melodie> hi
[10:47] <melodie> is there somewhere a documentation explaining how to disable the launch of at-spi2 in Xenial and above?
[10:47] <melodie> I don't need it, but it's part of the dependancies of Evolution which I do need, so I can't remove it
[19:57] <melodie> bbl


[13:03] <mac_v> awalton: hi... , regarding this bug https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=586488
[13:03] <mac_v> could this be allowed a freeze exception?
[13:04] <mac_v> its a small change and wouldnt affect much , just the new label needs to be accepted ;)
[15:54] <idorock89> is there a keyboard shortcut to shutdown or restart in jaunty/karmic?
[16:02] <c_korn> idorock89: you mean if the shutdown menu is accessible via keyboard ?
[16:03] <idorock89> c_korn: yeap
[16:06] <idorock89> c_korn: so is it there or not?
[16:06] <c_korn> idorock89: I also have to google it. never tried.
[16:06] <c_korn> idorock89: what about this ? http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?s=f07aa7c84ed579b4ec8a53ba2ea0bc7f&p=4205621&postcount=6
[16:08] <idorock89> c_korn: "I really wouldn't recommend this unless your computer is frozen."
[16:09] <c_korn> idorock89: yes, this is related to the magic keys.
[16:09] <idorock89> c_korn: no. this is for when computer freezes
[16:09] <c_korn> look at the lines below "dryder:"
[16:09] <idorock89> but i want to acces the fusa applet from the keyboard
[16:10] <idorock89> so that i can select what i want from that
[16:13] <c_korn> bug 337775 is about that
[16:18] <idorock89> c_korn: any idea if fixed in karmic with it's new fusa?
[16:21] <c_korn> idorock89: let me try...
[16:25] <idorock89> c_korn: reading the comments
[16:25] <idorock89> rickspencer had set uit to be fixed for
[16:26] <idorock89> karmic alpha 3 but its not closed so i amguessin its not yet fixed for mkarmic  aswell
[16:28] <c_korn> idorock89: you are right. I changed the bug report accordingly


[23:06] <BUGabundo> Peddyt: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+builds
[23:07] <Peddyt> thank you BUGabundo
[23:07] <BUGabundo> lost an 's'
[23:07] <Peddyt> :D
[23:07] <BUGabundo> bruce89: why are you using jaunty and not hardy?
[23:08] <bruce89> good question
[23:08] <Peddyt> BUGabundo: it only says that boinc, wxwidgets and OO.org are still building, how would that affect Python?
[23:08] <Peddyt> or do they release everything once everything's complete?
[23:08] <bruce89> I suppose I meant minor version changes
[23:08] <BUGabundo> Peddyt: and its for armel
[23:08] <BUGabundo> not even 386 or 64
[23:09] <Peddyt> yeah
[23:09] <bruce89><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:10] <dnwe> jaunty multitouch info? :)
[23:10] <BUGabundo> guys brb
[23:10] <BUGabundo> need to restart my 3g modem
[23:10] <bruce89> where on earth does all this nonsense come from?
[23:10] <BUGabundo> it thinks it is on 3g
[23:11] <BUGabundo> when actually is 2g
[23:11] <BUGabundo> dnwe: LOL
[23:11]  * BUGabundo point to usser
[23:11]  * BUGabundo and then runsssssssss
[23:11] <dnwe> heh
[23:11] <CosmiChaos_> BUGabundo: but booting in 35 secs inc nvidia, vbox,, cups, sane, samba, proftp, mysql5, apach2 is quite accurate isn't it?
[23:11] <usser> huh
[23:11] <Peddyt> usser: I got the rxvt thing working btw :)
[23:12] <usser> Peddyt, sweet, i'm glad you figured it out
[23:12] <Peddyt> :D
[23:12] <Peddyt> I even got a statically compiled libusb working
[23:15] <BUGabundo> dnwe: just use jaunty
[23:16] <BUGabundo> it should be there
[23:16] <Peddyt> I can't open *anything*, in fact if I close this xchat window it probably won't open again... apt-get says this when I try to install stuff: python-compizconfig: Depends: python (< 2.6) but 2.6.1-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[23:16] <BUGabundo> I'm too
[23:16] <BUGabundo> would be great to see older HW using multitouch
[23:16] <dnwe> BUGabundo: i'm on jaunty ;p
[23:16] <BUGabundo> if you test it, let us know
[23:16] <BUGabundo> then "touch" the touchpad
[23:16] <BUGabundo> with 2 fingers
[23:16] <dnwe> heh
[23:18] <BUGabundo> Going where no #geek as gone before: using 2 #pidgins at once, so if one crash the other keeps going $pidgin -m
[23:18] <dnwe> BUGabundo: http://img6.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotmousepreferen.png
[23:20] <BUGabundo> can't see it
[23:20] <dnwe> ?
[23:20] <BUGabundo> imageshack and my addblock
[23:20] <dnwe> heh
[23:20] <BUGabundo> don't like eachotehr
[23:20] <BUGabundo> notice the pun on addblock vs adblock
[23:21] <BUGabundo> ok seeing it now
[23:21] <BUGabundo> what is that supposed to show?
[23:22] <dnwe> trackpad section in mouse preferences
[23:22] <dnwe> no mention of multitouch
[23:23] <BUGabundo> De Marco Barreto a 26 de Fevereiro de 2009 às 15:08     Geek: "Someone who has a difficult time loosing his virginity but can compile a Linux Kernel"
[23:23] <BUGabundo> no need
[23:24] <BUGabundo> "it just works" TM
[23:25] <dnwe> well what should it do with 2 fingers? ;p
[23:25] <BUGabundo> ehehe
[23:26] <BUGabundo> scroll up and down
[23:26] <BUGabundo> on a wind with a scroll
[23:26] <BUGabundo> bar
[23:26] <BUGabundo> as you did with just one on the right side
[23:27] <dnwe> ah cool
[23:27] <dnwe> wheres the doc for this?
[23:28] <BUGabundo> dunno
[23:28] <BUGabundo> didn't even knew I had it until an hour ago
[23:33] <DaemonFC> in case nobody noticed, Ubuntu can now boot on XFS
[23:33] <DaemonFC> B-)
[23:34] <BUGabundo> duh
[23:34] <BUGabundo> I'm doing it
[23:36] <bruce89> not exactly new
[23:37] <DaemonFC> meh, the Alpha 5 CD can do it and they didn't mention it :P
[23:39] <bruce89> didn't mention anything by the looks of things
[23:39] <BUGabundo> ROFL
[23:39]  * BUGabundo points to my emails to devel list on unfit release notes
[23:40] <DaemonFC> I've used XFS for years, I usually just replaced GRUB and used LILO instead
[23:41] <Hobbsee> BUGabundo: patches welcome.
[23:41] <DaemonFC> GRUB could only deal with XFS if you had /boot on something it was capable of booting
[23:42] <BUGabundo> Hobbsee: if you have read my emails
[23:42] <BUGabundo> you will noticed that I mention its not easy
[23:42] <BUGabundo> but those (devs) who do maintain and interact with Upstream
[23:42] <Hobbsee> BUGabundo: that's probably why it hasn't been done more - it's a case of reading jaunty-changes, and specs.
[23:43] <BUGabundo> *should* have better change of knowing about master changes the *us* the common users
[23:43] <BUGabundo> Hobbsee: I already read all apt-changes
[23:43] <Hobbsee> then you should be in a reasonable position to help write the release notes ;)
[23:43] <BUGabundo> which even today lead to a discussion with intuitive
[23:44] <Hobbsee> it's the problem of those who ahve the most clue about everything have the least amount of time, and the most stuff that has to be done by them.
[23:44] <BUGabundo> Hobbsee: chicken eggs prob
[23:44] <Hobbsee> yeah, well.
[23:44] <BUGabundo> I'm not pointing to post changes
[23:44] <BUGabundo> but to PRIOR
[23:44] <BUGabundo> yes I know .... time is scarse
[23:44] <BUGabundo> then its upstream prob! they should document it better!
[23:45] <Hobbsee> then you're just passing the buck - they have the same problem too
[23:45] <Hobbsee> fortunately, things like gnome do have pretty good release notes, although, afaik, they generate them in the same way.
[23:46] <Hobbsee> or at least, gnome does, as there was a post on planet about it yesterday
[23:46] <Hobbsee> fwiw, there has been some stuff on this - there's been a warning post about python breaking over the weekend, to -announce.
[23:47] <BUGabundo> yep
[23:48] <BUGabundo> I knew it already on wedsday
[23:51] <bruce89> the magic of aptitude
[23:52] <BUGabundo> bruce89: stop saying that!
[23:52] <BUGabundo> all apps tht you use, based on python will fail the same
[23:52] <bruce89> probably, I just haven't noticed
[23:53] <BUGabundo> no ccsm, gwibber, aptoncd?
[23:53] <bruce89> don't use them
[23:54] <bruce89> or update-manager
[23:56] <dnwe> <--- aptitude vest


[01:09] <wgrant> Why, precisely, does Python feel the need to change the default float rounding length.
[01:09] <wgrant> I think they must be just trying to break doctests.
[07:21] <lifeless> maxb: ping
[09:20] <spiv> wgrant: why, precisely, did people write tests that asserted things about the default float rounding length? ;)
[09:20] <lifeless> spiv: because somebody thought doctest was a good idea
[09:21]  * spiv awards lifeless a gold star and an early mark.
[09:26] <lifeless> .
[21:12] <wgrant> Morning all.
[21:13] <jelmer> g'morning William
[21:32] <thumper> wallyworld_: morning
[21:33] <wallyworld_> thumper: hello
[21:33] <wallyworld_> thumper: mumble?
[21:33] <thumper> yeah
[21:33] <thumper> let me plug bits in
[22:06] <wallyworld_> http://people.canonical.com/~ianb/br1.png
[22:06] <wallyworld_> thumper: ^^^^^
[22:07] <wallyworld_> thumper: bug 334336
[22:07] <_mup_> Bug #334336: Show which branch and bug are related to a revision <bugjam2010> <lp-code> <Launchpad itself:In Progress by wallyworld> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/334336 >
[22:09] <wgrant> Oooooh.
[22:27] <jelmer> wallyworld_: Looks nice!
[22:27] <thumper> not happening
[22:27] <thumper> partly because we can't work out the parent
[22:27] <wallyworld_> jelmer: too hard to figure out what branch was merged in thumper says
[22:28] <wallyworld_> jelmer: the screenshot is a prototype
[22:28] <jelmer> thumper, wallyworld_: Not possible performance-wise ? I can think of ways to work out the relevant MPs but not using a reasonable database query.
[22:30] <wallyworld_> jelmer: we don't have the info to determine the branch, but mp may be possible
[23:25]  * thumper goes to town to take the car in (again)
[23:42] <thumper> and now, another attempt to leave the laptop
[23:45] <thumper> this gravity well is just too string
[23:45] <thumper> strong


[00:29] <kwwii> re
[00:29] <kwwii> sorry, had to leave earlier on short notice
[00:29] <kwwii> it was either that or eat alone
[00:31] <kwwii> does this say "Ibex" enough? http://sinecera.de/ibex_mod.png
[01:15] <elkbuntu> it's a good base
[02:37] <BHSPitLappy> http://www.colourlovers.com/palette/365080/m_o_u_t_h
[02:37] <BHSPitLappy> kwwii, kind of says Debian to me ;)


[08:10] <dholbach> good morning
[12:51] <highvoltage> good morning dholbach!
[12:51] <highvoltage> (although a bit belated ;) )
[12:51] <czajkowski> Aloha :)
[12:52] <highvoltage> dholbach: I see 7 of the zope packages made it into the archive at least :)
[12:52] <highvoltage> hola czajkowski
[12:53] <czajkowski> highvoltage: how's you?
[12:54] <czajkowski> highvoltage: saw http://invictusmovie.warnerbros.com/ at teh weekend, it's GREAT!
[12:55] <highvoltage> czajkowski: I happened to see it this weekend as well!
[12:55] <czajkowski> highvoltage: what did you think of it ?
[12:56] <highvoltage> czajkowski: I think they excessively made everything look older and lowered the contrast a bit too much... but it's a good movie
[12:56] <highvoltage> (even though there was a scene with a car in from 2002 :p)
[12:56] <czajkowski> nods
[12:57] <highvoltage> I think it captured the mood at the time quite well, the rugby world cup really brought the people together after some heavy political tension
[12:59] <czajkowski> *nods*
[13:00] <czajkowski> the first rugby top I got was from the 1995 world cup a SA top
[13:11] <highvoltage> cool :)


[00:17] <miik> why is no 2.6.29-rc3 in jaunty?
[00:33] <syockit> testing is probably underway
[00:50] <nemo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/303068 - could someone running Jaunty test this for me?
[00:50] <nemo> I'd appreciate it
[00:51] <nemo> last comment suggested this annoying behaviour has been fixed in NM that Jaunty is using
[00:55] <miik> why nvidia driver is 180.22 instead of 180.27?
[00:55] <jianfei> ok i had to reboot and tried pulseaudio -k ; start-pulseaudio-x11 again..sound is gone, what should i do?
[00:56] <andersk> miik: bug 322416
[00:56] <miik> thanks'
[00:56] <jianfei> i use sound for audio recording playback of voice recognition
[00:57] <maxb> miik: Perhaps because 180.22 is a release but 180.27 is only a beta?
[00:57] <jianfei> any chance you have fix, i have to use jaunty other laptop processing..
[00:58] <miik> oh
[00:58] <miik> didnt nkow
[00:59] <miik> cool, i have openofficeorg 3.0!!!!!
[00:59] <jianfei> great...
[00:59] <jianfei> can i have some assistance for audio?
[00:59] <jianfei> i have to process 14hrs of audio
[01:00] <miik> will i get firefox 3.1 too?
[01:00] <miik> my audio didnt work in jaunty, then i did killall pulseaudion, then it works always now, even when i reboot
[01:01] <jianfei> shuttleworth is talking about windows 7 and jaunty..yet my sound dont even work..ive tried pulseaudio -k ; start-pulseaudio-x11
[01:02] <miik> well jaunty is alpha
[01:02] <miik> not even beta yet
[01:02] <jianfei> i wish i could help and code
[01:02] <miik> me too, but im too dumb
[01:02] <jianfei> im just audio for ASIO over here
[01:03] <jianfei> have to get through 14hrs of tape
[01:03] <miik> i mostly use ubuntu for porno and play MMORPG where i waste 20 hours a day killing monsters and getting levels
[01:03] <miik> try 8.10 intrepid ibex instead
[01:04] <jianfei> milk: yes i know im already using intrepid with 38+ hours of processing..
[01:04] <jianfei> other laptop
[01:04] <miik> oh
[01:04] <jianfei> hehe the 38hrs was escalated to me!
[01:05] <jianfei> this is my test machine
[01:05] <jianfei> lol
[01:05] <jianfei> winxp then
[01:06] <jianfei> milk
[01:06] <jianfei> ?
[01:07] <miik> yeah, maybe
[01:07] <miik> if you cant use intrepid
[01:07] <miik> then use whatever you can do Get The Work Done
[01:07] <miik> but dont forget to check back jaunty in april ;)
[01:08] <jianfei> milk: mate our team only use ubuntu...if thats a plug..then use it lol
[01:08] <jianfei> ;-)
[01:09] <miik> well, then intrepid ibex
[01:09] <miik> then use intrepid*
[01:09] <miik> unless you can somehow get jaunty to work
[01:09] <miik> but jaunty is not for production use
[01:10] <jianfei> well alpha 2 had a bug in ssh tunneling that we were making use of..
[01:11] <jianfei> most of the team still using A2 for that purpose
[01:11] <miik> oh
[01:25] <miik> im poundering about stealing my sisters lipgloss
[02:28] <pwnguin> has anyone else noticed a bizarre font kerning problem in firefox?
[02:39] <pwnguin> actually, its not just firefox
[02:55] <ripps> I'm bored, think of upgrading my intrepid to jaunty. Any glaring stability issues I should be aware of?
[02:58] <danbhfive> ripps: heh, probably the most glaring is that it hasn't hit feature freeze yet (i think).
[02:58] <danbhfive> !schedule
[03:00] <ripps> how's the the xorg ati driver working in xorg-1.6
[03:06] <ripps> Since Jaunty is using 2.6.28, it doesn't have KMS yet, does it.
[03:11] <Hew> Has sound broken for others recently?
[03:12] <hggdh> Hew, yes, on a pulseaudio race on starting X
[03:13] <Hew> hggdh: Do you know the bug #?
[03:13] <hggdh> yes, I subscribed to it. Just a sec
[03:14] <hggdh> Hew, bug 322374
[03:15] <Hew> hggdh: Thanks :-)
[03:18] <Hew> nice, sound is (temporarily) working again
[03:25] <hggdh> Hew -- about tor
[03:28] <Hew> hggdh: What about it?
[03:30] <hggdh> bug 3039449
[03:30] <hggdh> dammit
[03:30] <hggdh> bug 303949
[03:30] <hggdh> Hew, all we need is a change on dh_shlibdeps
[03:31] <hggdh> (and, probably, to open a bug on Debian for that)
[03:32] <andersk> Why is Tor using a private glibc API?  Isn't _that_ the bug?
[03:33] <Hew> IANAP, but I just found it strange that Debian doesn't have the problem, and Ubuntu does.
[03:33] <Hew> hggdh: I'm not sure whether that should go upstream or not.
[03:34] <hggdh> it may have something to with the glibc we deliver
[03:34] <lubosz> hi
[03:34] <andersk> I doubt that patch should go in at all.  It covers up a symptom of the problem, it doesn't fix the problem itself.
[03:34] <lubosz> is there a ppa repo with glut 1.5.1?
[03:34] <hggdh> andersk, not necessarily. I do not like it either, but this is not the first case
[03:34] <lubosz> and glew
[03:34] <lubosz> with opengl 3.0 support
[03:35] <hggdh> andersk, it does cover the issue, but makes the package available right now
[03:38] <lubosz> which nvidia driver is currently in jaunty?
[03:38] <Hew> !info nvidia-glx-180
[03:39] <hggdh> hew, andersk Debian is still shipping glibc2.7 on stable. Only experimental has glibc2.9. This (IIRC) only came to be an issue from glib2.8 onwards
[03:39] <Hew> lubosz: nvidia is broken with the latest xserver though
[03:39] <lubosz> nice, jaunty has gl 3
[03:39] <lubosz> also glut an glew?
[03:39] <lubosz> !info glut
[03:40] <Hew> !info glutg3
[03:40] <lubosz> !info libglew-dev
[03:41] <lubosz> !info libglew1.5
[03:41] <lubosz> sorry for spamming the bot
[03:41] <lubosz> bad
[03:41] <Hew> lubosz, use http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[03:41] <lubosz> the driver is opengl 3.0, but the libs dont
[03:41] <lubosz> plx get the opengl 3.0 support libs in jaunty
[03:42] <lubosz> they where released in november
[03:43] <lubosz> the changes from opengl 2.1 => 3.0 where not too big but GLSL 1.2 => 1.3 where significant
[03:43] <Hew> lubosz: Please file a bug about it
[03:43] <lubosz> in which category?
[03:44] <lubosz> i do have a launchpad account
[03:45] <lubosz> it just requires glew 1.5.1 and glut 3.7
[03:45] <Hew> lubosz: an upgrade request for glut should be filed under glut
[03:45] <lubosz> k i do that thx
[03:46] <lubosz> i need to start coding opengl 3 :D
[03:47] <lubosz> is there any way to install jaunty on a ext3 usb pen drive?
[03:49] <lubosz> unetbootin and usb-creator seem only to support fat volumes
[03:49] <lubosz> and create installers
[03:50] <Hew> lubosz: Surely usb-creator uses ext3?
[03:53] <danbhfive> lubosz: maybe try this?  http://rudd-o.com/new-projects/portablelinux   I havent tried it myself...
[03:55] <lubosz> Hew: i would like ext3 support. i notices usb-creator only creates fat installers
[03:55] <lubosz> danbhfive: thx, i give it a try
[03:57] <lubosz> do the ppa repos sometimes have newer versions than +1 universe repos?
[03:58] <lubosz> there should be an automated system to manage these
[03:59] <andersk> Anyone can make a PPA and put in whetever packages they want.  So, yes, sometimes they have newer versions.
[05:55] <shamus> I just installed 9.04a3 and now unable to use audio at all
[05:55] <shamus> anybody got any solutions?
[05:55] <fosco_> update and upgrade first
[05:55] <fosco_> reboot and retry sound
[05:56] <shamus> I upgraded from 8.10 to 9.04a3, it is up to date and the system has already been restarted
[05:56] <fosco_> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:56] <fosco_> just to make sure
[05:57] <shamus> nope, nothing
[06:00] <miik> killall pulseaudio
[06:00] <miik> maybe
[06:01] <shamus> my system isn't even picking up my soundcard
[06:03] <shamus> is there a sound driver i can install from somewhere?
[06:03] <Andre_Gondim> shamus, try this pulseaudio -k ; start-pulseaudio-x11
[06:06] <shamus> Andre_Gondim, "Home directory /home/shamus not ours Cannot access autospawn lock"
[06:14] <miik> when i watch porno, the first 1-2 sec of the movie lags
[06:14] <miik> it didnt do this in intrepid
[06:16] <tritium> miik: please keep it family-friendly
[06:16] <miik> ok, but this is true
[06:17] <tritium> No need to mention it here.  You can simply say "movies".
[06:19] <DanaG> Anything new in the +1 world lately?
[06:19] <fosco_> just waiting for alpha4 :)
[06:19] <DanaG> ah.
[06:20] <DanaG> So we're in a freeze... then there would not be anything new.  =P
[06:20]  * DanaG goes to boot from Win7 back to Ubuntu.
[06:23] <miik> my movies are slowmo for 2 secs, then they play normal
[06:23] <miik> is this cuz i use 180 drivers in jaunty, but used 177 in intrepid?
[06:23] <shamus> is there anyway to get 3d to work, as well as graphics card acceleration for videos to work in a3?
[06:26] <miik> yes
[06:26] <fosco_> shamus: yes for nvidia, not sure for the rest
[06:26] <miik> add IgnoreABI TRUE to xorg.conf
[06:30] <shamus> fosco_: does the regular 180.22-pkg1 work?
[06:30] <fosco_> i use 180 deb package
[06:32] <shamus> fosco_: thanks installing now
[06:33] <shamus> does anyone know why my sound seems to crackle when my CPU usage is high?
[06:33] <fosco_> you should try changing pulse to alsa
[06:34] <shamus> fosco_: i am using alsa
[06:37] <shamus> fosco_: nevermind that, im using pulseaudio, but when i attempt to kill pulseaudio i lose all sound
[06:42] <DanaG> Ooopsie, looks like now I'm waiting for it, too.
[06:42] <DanaG> Heh, can't fix Grub on ext4 with an Intrepid LiveCD.  =P
[07:30] <shamus> fosco_: i installed the deb for 180 nvidia drivers and with no luck, as the system starts telling me X is broken and i forces me to choose "Generic" (default) settings
[07:31] <fosco_> have you added the serverflag?
[07:33] <shamus> i typed the command into the terminal that the nvidia X server settings tells me to if thats what you mean
[07:34] <fosco_> no, one thing more to do...
[07:34] <shamus> oh
[07:34] <shamus> i know very little about ubuntu, sorry
[07:35] <fosco_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=6378516&postcount=25
[07:35] <fosco_> take a look on the serverflags comments
[07:48] <lucent> shamus: I found a great set of documentation, want a link?
[07:48] <shamus> lucent: yes please
[07:49] <lucent> shamus: http://www.ubuntupocketguide.com
[07:50] <lucent> if you're serious about using Ubuntu or even Gnome-based Linux distros in general, that book plus the Ubuntu Kung-Fu are good books to buy
[07:52] <lucent> it's cheap too, considering you get a print version under $10 bucks
[07:52] <lucent> most pocket guides are $16 and up
[08:00] <shamus> lucent: thanks
[08:04] <lucent> shamus: I started with real books, I think 6-7 books that were all technical references
[08:05] <lucent> the technical references are boring time-limited documents that you have anyways from UNIX style manual pages
[08:05] <lucent> I wish I had a cool guide like that kung-fu book
[08:05] <lucent> "Wizards of MS-DOS" book is one reference I wish I hadn't loaned out to my ex-girlfriend ;P
[08:06] <lucent> never got that bloody thing back
[08:07] <shamus> as interesting as some of this stuff is, i was really only drawn to linux in hopes of security (through obscurity), i really just use it for basic everyday stuff, but then again thats all i use my computer for (no more windows for me)
[08:07] <DanaG> !alpha4
[08:07] <DanaG> !beta
[08:07] <DanaG> er
[08:07] <DanaG> Eh, what was the upcoming thing?
[08:07] <DanaG> Oh, and someone might want to fix that factoid.  =P
[08:09] <lucent> shamus: take my advice, get at least the pocket reference
[08:09] <shamus> lucent: ok
[08:15] <shamus> lucent: so i guess im stuck with a completely broken X server until a new update?
[08:16] <lucent> only if you broke it
[08:16] <lucent> use the latest stable release if you need to use your computer
[08:16] <shamus> well, i cant use any nvidia drivers, so that's broken to me
[08:17] <shamus> how do i roll back to 8.10?
[08:17] <lucent> you cannot
[08:17] <lucent> re-install
[08:17] <shamus> sweet
[08:18] <shamus> at least my /home and / are separate (learned that one the hard way)
[08:18] <lucent> :)
[08:18] <lucent> you don't have backups?
[08:20] <shamus> nope
[08:20] <shamus> didn't bother, because i thought everything would work just fine
[08:21] <lucent> erg, it is my experience that no system designed by a human is perfect
[08:22] <shamus> well no, humans cant be perfect
[08:22] <lucent> 1TB hard disks are under $100usd
[08:23] <shamus> other then 200 gb of tv shows though, i wouldn't really lose anything
[08:23] <lucent> it's a wish-for-pain if you don't keep backups
[08:23] <SwedeMike> I usually do binary backups of my / when I am about to try an upgrade
[08:23] <SwedeMike> boot from cd, cat the partition to a file
[08:24] <lucent> hm, cat can do bad things
[08:24] <SwedeMike> well, dd_rescue is good as well
[08:24]  * lucent hugs dd_rescue
[08:25] <shamus> nothing is important in / though right? (other then system files)
[08:25] <lucent> the /var is important
[08:25] <lucent> I always save /var and /etc
[08:25] <shamus> what does it do exactly?
[08:25] <lucent> not any one thing in particular
[08:26] <lucent> state-machine data that needs to be saved accross reboots is stored in /var
[08:26] <lucent> across*
[08:26] <shamus> oh, i've messed up quite a few installs before, but saving those things never once seemed important
[08:26] <lucent> if you have encrypted home directories, as in Jaunty alpha3, then some key information is stored in /var
[08:27] <lucent> without it you would fail to recover your home dir
[08:27] <shamus> oh, it doesn't use a crypto device on the mobo or a usb key?
[08:27] <lucent> nope, that is all kernel space
[08:28] <shamus> oh
[08:28] <lucent> jaunty alpha3 style encrypted home dirs are enacted using ecryptfs
[08:28] <lucent> i.e. userspace
[08:29] <shamus> you seem pretty smart, i have a question for you about my motherboard (ASUS P5l-VM-1394), what would cause a windows install from halting while starting every single time (that requires the CMOS to be cleared every single time i want to run windows) that ubuntu would completely ignore, allowing me to use it without issue?
[08:30] <lucent> your question has some kind of syntax error
[08:30] <shamus> lol
[08:30] <lucent> I don't understand what you're asking
[08:31] <shamus> i have a problem with my motherboard that prevents windows from starting (it halts in the boot process), but when i choose ubuntu it ignores this issue and allows me to start normally?
[08:31] <lucent> Ubuntu might boot with a kernel/initrd combination that supports a feature your other operating system does not
[08:32] <lucent> an example of this would be SATA hard disk support
[08:32] <lucent> you might have bad RAM
[08:32] <shamus> i suppose, but win xp, win vista, and win 7 all stopped working one day (along with one of my memory channels) but ubuntu continues to work
[08:32] <lucent> I suggest running memtest86 to confirm/disprove
[08:33]  * lucent pats his own ass
[08:33] <lucent> I'm not making this stuff up, I've seen it myself before
[08:33] <shamus> i sent the board to asus to repair, and they sent the same board back with the same issue
[08:33] <lucent> yeah
[08:33] <shamus> i've tried 4 different sticks of memory in every slot
[08:33] <lucent> I would declare fail and go find a working machine
[08:33] <shamus> lol
[08:34] <lucent> life is short, diagnosing stupid computer hardware problems is not the way I want to go
[08:34] <shamus> the funny thing is, if i clear the cmos before starting my machine windows doesnt halt, and boots as normal
[08:34] <lucent> that's not funny
[08:35] <lucent> it's broken.
[08:35] <shamus> yeah, it sounds bad
[08:35] <shamus> this machine is very old though (3 years)
[08:35] <lucent> suggested use is a boat anchor
[08:35] <shamus> lol
[08:36] <shamus> any suggested motherboard you've had a good time with? i've bought 5 asus boards and they are all failing on me
[08:36] <lucent> I'm into different gear than I used to be
[08:36] <lucent> I would suggest a toaster oven from XPC or a laptop
[08:37] <lucent> i.e. shuttle xpc
[08:37] <shamus> i'd rather build another desktop, just not choose asus next time
[08:37] <lucent> the amd64 based shuttle xpc is the quietest and best performing, best looking, desktop machine I've ever owned
[08:39] <lucent> shamus: for real though, an MSI Wind or Asus eeePC 901 would be optimal
[08:39] <shamus> this machine is the loudest thing in my house, with 3 tornados. noise doesn't bother me
[08:39] <lucent> you seem to be in denial about a few key factors in PC component selection
[08:40] <shamus> ?
[08:40] <lucent> 1) If it moves, it will fail.
[08:40] <shamus> yes
[08:40] <shamus> all things do
[08:40] <lucent> 2) If it is hot, it will fail.
[08:41] <lucent> thus what I'm talking about makes a lot of sense
[08:41] <lucent> and your aircraft carrier with a bad DIMM slot does not
[08:41] <shamus> or...i could change my motherboard out with something that costs a bit more then my lunch did and have a perfectly working system
[08:42]  * lucent sighs
[08:43] <shamus> i'd rather have a big pc then a tiny little eeePC
[08:46] <lucent> my time is worth $150/h to me
[08:46] <lucent> have fun with your machine.
[09:16] <Alexia_Death> Is anybody else having troubles with kde session locking? I close the lid and it locks but about every 4th or 5th time it refuses to unlock even if the correct pasword is provided
[09:16] <Alexia_Death> I have restart X to get it to play nice.
[09:23] <tgpraveen> when is next alpha planned to be released?
[09:54] <cwillu> oooo, ath5k is used in favour of ath_pci now
[09:54] <cwillu> that'll save some headaches
[09:56] <SwedeMike> tgpraveen: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule
[09:56] <tgpraveen> SwedeMike: thanks
[10:27] <Alexia_Death> Jaunty is now good to go with hotplug...
[10:27] <Alexia_Death> for wacoms that is.
[10:28] <Alexia_Death> Just slaping the daemon on will make things sort of work.
[10:43] <etech> hi
[10:43] <etech> which grafical package manager is default in kubuntu jaunty?
[10:49] <SwedeMike> I couldnt find any bug report regarding the sound problems, so I filed one. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/323878
[10:51] <etech> is it safe to use ext4?
[10:53] <SwedeMike> depends. I like to have filesystems be mainstream for a few years before I use them, but it all depends on how picky you are about your data
[10:53] <SwedeMike> the longer it's been in wide production, the less risk of bugs
[10:53] <etech> can a filesystem be upgraded like any other program? or is it possible that ext4 in ubuntu 9.04 will be more stable than the ext4 now?
[10:54] <SwedeMike> filesystem code is in the kernel, so when kernel is upgraded, so is the filesystem code
[10:54] <SwedeMike> so yes, if you're running an older kernel than 2.6.28, ext4 is probably better now
[10:54] <etech> so when i install now ubuntu 9.04, at the release day of ubuntu 9.04 final it will have the same ext4 stability as a frssh ubuntu 9.04 final installation?
[11:00] <etech> so that was my question
[11:00] <etech> if the ext4 performance/stability is also upgraded which every ubuntu 9.04 aalpha, beta etc... upgrade
[11:01] <etech> when new kernels come in
[11:02] <Alexia_Death> etech: code that aint broke is unlikely to be fixed but yes, if there are bugs then each kernel will bring fixes.
[11:02] <etech> ok
[11:14] <CrownAmbassador> How do I get to a list of Jaunty only bugs of LaunchPad?
[11:16] <ikonia> CrownAmbassador: the guys in #launchpad can help you use the features
[11:16] <ikonia> CrownAmbassador: I agree that some of the search functions on launchpad aren't the most obvious to see at first
[11:16] <CrownAmbassador> ikonia: Thanks for that
[12:43] <CrownAmbassador> Hi guys. Having a issue playing avi movies. Usually I just tried to play it and then it prompted me to install gstreamer. It did this once, but I was updating my system, so I couldn't do it then. When opening the avi again it opened and then the box that is suppose to ask you if it can search for the codecs pops up, but has nothing in it. I have to force quit it. When trying to open it again, Movie Player opens for a second and then closes. How can
[12:48] <DrHalan> is anyone else having notifcations covering gnome-panel? This actually should be ffixed with notification-deamon 0.4
[13:19] <popey> my kubuntu jaunty system flickers about a lot after login, then gives me a black screen with a working mouse cursor. I have deleted ~/.kde and started again, but the same thing happens. Any suggestions?
[13:37]  * popey chroots to his kubuntu install to see if he can update it and that might "fix" it
[13:43] <rainmanp7> Gdmorning ;)
[13:45] <tgpraveen> hi guys
[13:46] <rainmanp7> hello
[13:46] <tgpraveen> I am on 8.10 and I wanted to get the latest version of empathy so I am uspposed to get it from the telepathy ppa right frm launchpad?
[13:47] <tgpraveen> well could some one confirm how this works coz I added it's url to my software sources list and successfully added the pgp kety
[13:47] <tgpraveen> but then only very few updates were successfully installed and many of the empathy updates are shown available but
[13:47] <tgpraveen> are grayed out
[13:48] <tgpraveen> and the update manager asks me if I want to do a partial upgrrade which I click yes then also nothing gets installed
[13:48] <rainmanp7> yeah I'm trying to get the wine to update through the repository thing and when i changed the Visual settings on desktop it started acting right for checking and not hanging for ever for normal updates ;)
[13:48] <tgpraveen> and I am still stuck with the ver that came with 8.10
[13:48] <tgpraveen> could some one please help me
[13:49] <rainmanp7> tgpraveen ? I could try tell me where and what to install ?
[13:50] <tgpraveen> I want the latest version of empathy chat client which uses the telepathy framework
[13:51] <tgpraveen> and one more thing now in synaptic when I click on mark all upgrades I get as NOT AUTHENTICATED many updates related to emopathy
[13:51] <rainmanp7> are you updating it through using a special private key etc.. in the sources section ?
[13:52] <tgpraveen> well while adding the ppa source to my software sources list I had to add the openpgp certification authentication
[13:52] <tgpraveen> but it has been done successfully I think
[13:54] <rainmanp7> yeah I'm getting the same wierd thing from the new wine but on my other hard drive from fresh install I was able to get the key and everything to work but didn't have enough room to move files so I reinstalled on this new 40 gig drive for testing and i'm getting the same thing
[13:55] <tgpraveen> rainmanp7: ok.thx
[13:55] <rainmanp7> Actuallly this new install got screwed up and i just reinstalled without formating right over the files to be exact
[13:55] <tgpraveen> maybe some one more experienced could shed some light on this issue
[13:55] <rainmanp7> tgpraveen could you try something for me ?
[13:56] <tgpraveen> oh man this is gr8
[13:56] <tgpraveen> I just tried it frm synaptic and even though it was coming as
[13:56] <tgpraveen> NOT AUTHENTICATED but still mark all upgrades cured everything
[13:56] <tgpraveen> now I have the latest version
[13:56] <tgpraveen> woohoo
[13:56] <tgpraveen> rainmanp7: so what were you saying to try?
[13:57] <rainmanp7> tgpraveen tell me if you can download a simple small file http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/Scott%20Ritchie.gpg
[13:57] <rainmanp7> tell me if you can even download it becasue yesterday i could and now i can't
[13:57] <tgpraveen> k
[13:58] <rainmanp7> yeah let me try that to mark all upgrades :)
[14:04] <tgpraveen> k
[14:04] <tgpraveen> try and tell here
[14:05] <rainmanp7> ok ?
[14:05] <tgpraveen> and by the way
[14:05] <tgpraveen> that link that you gave is not
[14:05] <tgpraveen> working
[14:05] <rainmanp7> ok so it's not just me then
[14:05] <tgpraveen> yup
[14:05] <rainmanp7> tgpraveen thank you
[14:06] <tgpraveen> anytime man
[14:06] <rainmanp7> yeah that server has got to be down
[14:07] <rainmanp7> tgpraveen there was something i noticed about upgrading those packages with synaptic
[14:07] <rainmanp7> or rather anything
[14:07] <tgpraveen> what?
[14:09] <rainmanp7> tgpraveen If i set my desktop ->System->Prefrences->Aperance to um normal or the least the thing started to seem to act right and version 9 had compiz rolling already when i didn't even enable it
[14:09] <rainmanp7> This was causing me to watch the status bar roll it was fast but it just hung out at times and came back and gave errors
[14:26] <rainmanp7> Is there a program I could run to help developers on the system configuration or burn in test for new ubuntu releases or current version etc.
[14:27] <rainmanp7> aka software testing ?
[14:40] <gourgi> rainmanp7 look here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Procedures
[15:02] <bardyr> Hey, how can i update modules in /lib/modules/... so modprobe knows about them?
[15:18] <rainmanp7> gourgi thanks :)
[15:27] <DrHalan> hey, is gnash able to play every youtube video? cause here only some play :(
[15:46] <martin_> When I started and entered into ubuntu, The sound-card worked well. But When I listen to music or view movie, It is mute. I want to adjust the sound volume, but it's disabled. How to do?
[15:47] <martin_> Who can help me?(I updated Ubuntu 8.10 to 9.04alpha...).
[15:48] <martin_> I think it's not the sound driver problem.
[15:54] <marijus> i am getting frequent X freezes on current jaunty mostly while using firefox-3.1... couldnt find any error messeges though...
[15:54] <marijus> anyone else?
[16:15] <martin_> When I click button in some window, I can hear sound of ubuntu theme. But why I cann't hear sound when I play music or movie?
[16:18] <gourgi> martin_: "alsamixer -Dhw"   and raise the volume in all tabs. also try  "killall pulseaudio"
[16:24] <martin_> Thanks a lot. Let me try
[16:27] <knurra> good evening
[16:28] <martin_> I have tried. But I still cann't listen to music. But the ubuntu theme sound is ok.
[16:28] <martin_> very strange! The Real player is worked well.
[16:29] <gourgi> martin_: maybe something usefull here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1041622 , i don't know
[16:29] <martin_> ok, it worked well every one.
[16:30] <gourgi> nice :)
[16:30] <martin_> But what's wrong with my ubuntu? Is it for my sound volume too little?
[16:31] <martin_> Thanks very much. I am appreciated to you.
[16:40]  * cwillu sighs
[16:40] <cwillu> RIP bug #319818, died in mysterious circumstances
[16:47] <user___> how do i switch to a higher resolution then 800x600 in virtualbox? xrandr offers me no higher resolution than that
[16:54] <SiDi> user___: install the guest additions. I don't think there are any for jaunty yet though
[16:55] <user___> SiDi: is there a general way? lenny f.e. runs full-screen without installing them (or are they installing them without me noticing?)
[16:56] <SiDi> Usually virtualbox offers guest additions. I don't know about guest linux's, i only have host linux's
[16:57] <SiDi> Can't even open google.com to search T_T damn neighboors T_T
[17:02] <lamalex> Hi, has anyone experience this bug where button 1 is being interpreted as a middle click?
[17:02] <lamalex> it's really frigging annoying
[18:59] <bhuvi> will jaunty interface redesigned for the release?
[19:23] <bhuvi> hello!
[19:32] <mahfiaz> what is wrong with acroread? it starts, displays window or half of document and hangs with no CPU usage
[19:32] <bluesmoke> the jaunty live cd can install on ext4, right?
[19:32] <bluesmoke> can create and install on ext4, i mean
[19:34] <TheInfinity> afaik yes
[19:35] <TheInfinity> alternate can definitly
[19:57] <DanaG> Oh hey, is it possible to make the Wubi thingy boot an existing partitioned Ubuntu?
[20:07] <maxb> lamalex: There's certainly plenty of reprorts of it in the bugtracker - I assume it's the buttons on a synaptics touchpad you are referring to
[20:07] <maxb> The workaround is to roll back to 0.15.2-0ubuntu8
[20:08] <maxb> (Sorry, of xserver-xorg-input-synaptics)
[20:41] <DanaG> Hmm, anyone know how I can get KMS support for my R600 card in Jaunty?
[21:19] <DrHalan> hey what about glx for jaunty?
[21:35] <DanaG> "gkr-pam: gnome-keyring-daemon didn't start properly properly"
[21:35] <DanaG> yes, it does say "properly properly"
[21:37] <DanaG> Oh, and I can't unlock after I lock screen.
[21:50] <DanaG> damned gnome-screensaver.
[21:54] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+2.0/+bug/321311
[23:45] <addiaat> ctrl alt backspace no longer works in jaunty ?  is there a substitute for that ?
[23:47] <loic-m> addiaat: edit your xorg.conf, add the dontzapp option : see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/DontZap
[23:47] <DanaG> I still think disabling it is really stupid.
[23:47] <DanaG> Why not do what SuSE does?
[23:47] <addiaat> thank you loic-m
[23:47] <DanaG> They make it zap only on hitting ctrl-alt-backspace TWICE.
[23:47] <DanaG> So if Xorg locks up... you're not screwed.
[23:50] <loic-m> addiaat: ur welcome


[06:57] <suliman> hi
[06:58] <suliman> i have question about hibernate ?
[06:58] <suliman> anyone work on hibernate ?
[06:58] <suliman> or JPA ?


[08:05] <LocutusOfBorg> bryyce, hello, the symfony sync can't work without syncing lots of stuff from debian experimental
[08:05] <LocutusOfBorg> are you trying that too?
[13:25] <sil2100> ddstreet: hey! Thanks for the MP reviews and merges! Do you have any systemd SRU releases planned for the nearest week?
[13:26] <sil2100> Was thinking if there's any additional changes you want to pull while we're at it or maybe we should just do the SRU as is
[13:28] <ddstreet> sil2100 yep i'm queueing up patches and i'll upload this week, hopefully today
[13:37] <sil2100> That's awesome news, thanks a lot!
[17:39] <ItzSwirlz> welcome migrators o/


[13:47] <nils17>  hi. how to execute a shell-script via desktop-startet, explicitly via bash (not e.g. zsh)?   e.g.     xfce4-terminal -e 'bash /home/user/myscript.sh' ??
[13:50] <jbermudes> nils17: I thought that was what shebangs were for
[13:50] <nils17> ok.. if the shebang is enough to make shure that it is executed by bash.. then ok..
[13:51] <nils17> then the question is only: how to create a desktop-starter that starts a bashscript via xfce4-terminal but with root-rights? gksudo or sudo in fron of the path-to-script? you understand?
[13:52] <nils17> 1.    gksudo xfce4-terminal -e '/home/user/myscript.sh"    or
[13:52] <nils17> 2. xfce4-terminal -e 'sudo /home/user/myscript.sh' ?
[13:52] <jbermudes> Like, you want an icon on the desktop or in a panel?
[13:53] <nils17> it for a starter I created under /usr/share/applications/     "Desktop-starter" was just an example
[13:53] <jbermudes> I'm confused. What do you want? An icon that's clickable that starts your script?
[13:54] <nils17> wait I tell you :-)
[13:56] <nils17> please have a look here: http://pastebin.com/vrkAkqu6
[13:56] <nils17> I created a starter... but the script runs with user's rights. But it should be run with root's rights (sudo/gksudo)
[13:56] <nils17> you understand?
[13:57] <nils17> this starter appears in my menu.. (this part works without any problems)
[13:57] <nils17> its just the rights the script runs with
[13:59] <jbermudes> since xfce4-terminal is a gui app, then perhaps adding gksudo to the beginning of the Exec command will work?
[14:01] <nils17> ok.. I now try the easiest way... could you tell me how to create a script that shows me who I am?  e.g.   xfce4-terminal -e 'whoami'  (the terminal should not close)
[14:02] <jbermudes> You could use the "read" command at the end of the shell script to pause and wait for text to be entered
[14:03] <nils17> yes.. alternativly I tried the following:  xfce4-terminal -e "whoami && sleep 10"
[14:03] <nils17> but NO xfce4-terminal opens
[14:04] <nils17> do I have to use -e "/bin/bash whoami" ??
[14:06] <jbermudes> You can test this by just opening a terminal and typing xfce4-terminal whatever inside the terminal and seeing what happens ;)
[14:07] <nils17> I get error message " gtk-warning unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "murrine"
[14:08] <jbermudes> The simplest way I can think of is to just save the whoami thing to a separate file and just make xfce4-terminal run that script
[14:08] <jbermudes> or even in the script do whoami > ~/whoami-out.txt or something
[14:08] <jbermudes> then you dont even have to deal with waiting to read output
[14:09] <jbermudes> although maybe that's a bad idea if you don't know who's home folder that may end up in
[14:10] <jbermudes> It'll either be in yours in /home/bob or /root
[14:15] <flocculant> nils17: this might help you http://askubuntu.com/questions/155791/how-do-i-sudo-a-command-in-a-script-without-being-asked-for-a-password
[14:43] <sim642> I have autologin turned on but I still get asked for keyring password
[14:43] <sim642> any way to get rid of that?
[15:25] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Who's the happy dude around here?
[15:26] <cfhowlett> JohnnyComeL8ly, this is xubuntu support.  check your channel.  stay on topic.
[15:27] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Ok.
[15:40] <JohnnyComeL8ly> I knew which channel I was in, but had forgotten that this is strictly for support....
[16:58] <rightarmfast> Hi. I have a RAM of 2 GB and 4 GB of my HDD as swap. I want to ask whether I need to decrease my swappiness value . if yes, then to how much? thanks :)
[18:22] <RangerK> This topic does not yet exist.  :-(  http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/thunar/4.10/bulk-renamer/date-time
[18:26] <flocculant> http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/thunar/bulk-renamer/date-time
[18:34] <RangerK> thanks
[18:45] <flocculant> RangerK: welcome :)
[21:20] <WerkPlaceDT> attempting to do a fresh install using 12.04 (old hardware) i get a command line screen that starts with "PID: 6049, comm: modprobe Tainted" and then pretty much everything else is meaningless to me. this happens right at the start of the install.
[21:20] <WerkPlaceDT> I get to selelct language, click continue, click continue and then this. any one have any ideas herE?
[21:26] <flocculant> http://askubuntu.com/questions/309782/ubuntu-12-04-fails-modprobe-tainted
[21:26] <flocculant> possibly helpful
[21:37] <Gava> Hi, new user fleeing Windows. Having trouble trying to connect to my system. We have a WD USB Drive plugged into a BT Hub 5. I want to connect to it over wi-fi but can't make it work. Any help appreciated.
[21:38] <WerkPlaceDT> i two have a broadcom wireless adapter
[21:39] <WerkPlaceDT> too*
[21:39] <WerkPlaceDT> thanks flocculant
[21:39] <flocculant> WerkPlaceDT: lucky guess then :)
[21:41] <WerkPlaceDT> flocculant: my bios allows me to disable the wifi card so i'm see if that works. no time for disessemby right now
[21:44] <WerkPlaceDT> and that fixed that
[21:44] <WerkPlaceDT> thanks again
[21:47] <genii> Broadcom makes such crap
[22:34] <xubuntu04w> Hey I'm trying to install xubuntu onto my computer, but every time I try I get "unrecognized maxwell chipset"
[22:34] <xubuntu04w> I'm running a 980 Ti and a pentium g3258
[22:37] <mrkramps> xubuntu04w, the free nouveau driver used by default is not supporting nvidia maxwell chipsets
[22:38] <mrkramps> xubuntu04w, but you can start the live system with the bootoption 'nomodeset' and after system installation add the according nvidia driver
[22:39] <mrkramps> last comment: https://askubuntu.com/questions/636969/no-support-for-maxwell-gpus-in-nouveau
[23:06] <xubuntu11w> Hi I am having problems with my wireless internet adapter constantly disconnecting/connecting. And it making my computer completely freeze. What can I do to figure out the problem and fix this?
[23:30] <AIA> hi
[23:30] <knome> hello
[23:31] <AIA> i'm new with Xubuntu and wanna to know how to install Emacs &c++ compiler
[23:32] <knome> AIA, sudo apt-get install emacs build-essential
[23:32] <knome> AIA, that is, from the command line
[23:33] <AIA> this command to install emacs only or c++ compiler also
[23:33] <knome> both
[23:34] <AIA> there r any other compiler
[23:35] <AIA> installed
[23:35] <knome> no, a regular user doesn't need a compiler
[23:35] <AIA> thinx
[23:37] <xubuntu11w> is someone able to help me?
[23:37] <knome> xubuntu11w, what is your wireless adapter?
[23:38] <xubuntu11w> Bus 001 Device 026: ID 148f:3072 Ralink Technology, Corp. RT3072 Wireless Adapter
[23:41] <xubuntu11w> im pretty sure this is it   http://www.amazon.com/Etekcity-Wireless-Network-Adapter-Antenna/dp/B006JWMOOI
[23:51] <xubuntu11w> was that the information you needed knome?
[23:51] <knome> xubuntu11w, that would help debugging the issue for sure, but i have little experience with ralink adapters
[23:52] <knome> you can try searching with ubuntu and rt3072 for potential solutions
[23:55] <xubuntu11w> okay. the wireless adapter is not the problem. It has to be something else.
[23:56] <knome> actually, the wireless adapters are often problematic
[23:56] <xubuntu11w> like a driver issue. or bug in linux. It used to never give me problems. now it does.
[23:57] <knome> if manufacturers do not offer drivers or hardware specifications for everybody (including linux), things are unlikely to work ootb
[23:59] <xubuntu11w> sometimes Xubuntu, will say a internal problem has occurred. something with the network manager i see in the report. I have sent report each time.


[06:55] <error404notfound> Hi!
[07:11] <error404notfound> how easy it is to install ubuntu on an arm machine with no usb port, no cd rom, no ethernet, just wifi and 3g?
[07:14] <persia> Not very.  You'd need some way to download enough to boot, and then be able to boot off that.
[07:15] <error404notfound> persia: hmmm, actually I am really confused that if it doesn't have a usb port, a cdrom, or ethernet, how can even copy anything from network to it. I don't know from where should I even start
[07:16] <persia> I'd recommend starting by looking for someone else who has gotten any linux running on your device.
[07:17] <persia> You can probably adjust those instructions as required to have the install be Ubuntu.
[07:18] <error404notfound> I am following your first recommendation by joining this channel...
[07:20] <persia> In that case, you might want to mention the specific device name :)
[07:21] <error404notfound> hmmm, wanna know the truth? I still haven't got one, its stuck for clearance on airport and I am waiting for it... may take couple of days.. :P
[07:46] <Stskeeps> sometimes i want to shoot whoever chose right click as paste.
[07:47] <persia> Oughtn't be right-click.  Ought be middle-click.
[07:47] <Stskeeps> yeah
[08:02] <tomsh> is it normal when using build-arm-rootfs
[08:02] <tomsh> * Setting kernel variables (/etc/sysctl.d/10-network-security.conf)...          error: "net.ipv4.tcp_syncookies" is an unknown key
[08:02] <tomsh> * Setting kernel variables (/etc/sysctl.d/10-process-security.conf)...          error: "vm.mmap_min_addr" is an unknown key
[08:02] <tomsh> ?
[08:33] <persia> tomsh: It depends on your kernel configuration, really.  It's been reported before.
[08:56] <lool> persia: Do you know whether we have bug for these?  It shouldn't happen with the versatile kernel as it's a distro kernel
[08:57] <lool> And the imx51 one is as well now
[08:59] <persia> We don't have a bug for it: it's never been reported against a distro kernel (that I've heard).
[14:00] <lool> NCommander: Do you think you could report these issues as well as the babbage ones?
[14:01] <lool> NCommander: Tag them arm
[14:04] <ogra> lool, they are on my list of bugs for amitk_
[14:04] <ogra> net.ipv4.tcp_syncookies definately shows on babbage as well
[14:04] <lool> ogra: Which list?
[14:04] <ogra> my personal one i'nm assembling while testing the babbage kernel here
[14:05] <ogra> klogd not starting is another one ...
[14:06] <ogra> though currently i'm after finding out whats wrong with aufs/apparmor that makes all ttys die and X not start up
[14:06] <ogra> thats more important than cosmetical boormessages
[14:06] <ogra> *boot
[14:10] <ogra> lool, i wont manage to file these bugs right now, can you mention in the release meeting that there are imx51 bugs to come we will need to fix before beta ?
[14:11] <lool> ogra: No
[14:11] <lool> I'll give a general status update
[14:11] <ogra> ok
[14:11] <lool> I remember quite well the day were I was shot in place for mentionning bugs which I hadn't filed yet
[14:12] <ogra> well, they are all under investigation only atm ...
[14:13] <ogra> the imx51 kernel isnt 100% merged and i assume a lot will be solved once that happened
[14:20] <lool> NCommander: Please Cc: slangasek on the RedBoot build issues with native toolchain
[14:22] <obra> Hi. I'm seeing some weird behaviour with ubuntu (and debian) arm ports on qemu. It _appears_ that some of the time the SCSI device just stops responding.  It appears to be fairly random. When it happens, spurious "a"s get printed to my terminal.
[14:23] <obra> I'm seeing the behaviour across several versions of qemu on OSX and Linux.
[14:23] <obra> Is there an obvious FAQ I'm missing?
[14:40] <Stskeeps> versatile kernel or?
[14:41] <obra> versatile kernel.
[14:41] <obra> /usr/local/qemu/bin/qemu-system-arm -M versatilepb -m 256 -kernel vmlinuz-2.6.28-8-versatile -hda armel.img -append "mem=256M root=/dev/sda1"
[14:42] <obra> (Starting from the initrd images and doing an install)
[14:42] <obra> I get the same behaviour using http://people.debian.org/~aurel32/qemu/armel/
[16:25] <Martyn> Good morning.
[16:25] <Martyn> Ogra, look, amit .. any of you online?
[16:26] <Martyn> lool rather
[16:27] <lool> Martyn: I'm around, but I'm out for an hour or so
[16:27] <lool> I'll be back here later
[16:32] <Martyn> Allright.  I'm trying to do a first bringup of ubuntu on the board, and wanted to verify some settings
[16:33] <amitk_> Martyn: is this something quick?
[16:33]  * amitk_ is about to wrap up for the day
[16:39] <Martyn> amitk : Relatively.  The image that ogra put up (the SD card image) seems to have reboot on it, and the first partition is a few sectors from the beginning of the card...
[16:39] <ogra> right
[16:40] <ogra> i think i left 20M ... though 15M shoudl suffice
[16:40] <Martyn> When I put it in the board and power up, I do see the keyboard flash, but no console output or display output.. is that normal for this image?
[16:40] <Martyn> yep, about 20M
[16:40] <ogra> you should get console output on VGA
[16:40] <Martyn> dreck, I don't.
[16:40] <ogra> after redboot decompressed the kernel
[16:40] <ogra> probably an issue with your DIP switch settings
[16:40] <Martyn> would you mind going through a quick board comparison?  I want to make sure the DIP switches on mine match yours.
[16:41] <Martyn> the two that are together at the top, read from SATA->pushbutton are:
[16:41] <Martyn> 0-0-0-0-0-0-0-1 1-0-0-0-0-0-0-0
[16:41] <ogra> the middle ones are  on
[16:42] <ogra> right
[16:42] <Martyn> the one next to the SD card is (read from VGA to serial breakout)
[16:42] <Martyn> sorry, read from serial->vga direction
[16:42] <ogra> the second should be on
[16:42] <Martyn> 0-1-0-0-0-0-0-0
[16:42] <Martyn> Okay, those match
[16:42] <ogra> looks ok
[16:42] <Martyn> So, in theory it should have just worked
[16:43] <ogra> yes
[16:43] <Martyn> I'll try a different SD card then.   Darnit!
[16:43] <ogra> note the kernel doesnt support DVI
[16:43] <Martyn> Wait, I thought the kernel didn't support VGA...
[16:43] <ogra> you need to use VGA
[16:43] <ogra> no
[16:43] <Martyn> okay, switching connectors.
[16:43] <Martyn> and switching to a real SanDisk card
[16:44] <ogra> yup, sandisk ++
[16:44] <Martyn> okay, I'm going to re dd it to a sandisk 2Gb card.
[16:46] <Martyn> allright, once the DD is finished, I'll try again.
[16:46]  * ogra finally got the initramfs booting for amitk's latest kernel
[16:47] <Martyn> congrats!
[16:47] <ogra> well, i dont see the bugs fixed yet ...
[16:47]  * ogra waits for casper to find the squashfs
[16:48] <ogra> amitk, tty's still die :(
[16:48] <ogra> amitk, oh, but you added fusectl ....
[16:48] <ogra> at least it doesnt complain anymore
[16:49] <ogra> oh, and X now starts up but i get a "your session lasted less than 10 secs."+ message now
[16:49] <amitk> hmm
[16:49] <Martyn> ogra : At least X starts up.
[16:50] <ogra> hmm, that looks a bit like the former error though, i see attempts fopr autologin on tty1
[16:50] <amitk> ogra: this is live image?
[16:50] <ogra> yep
[16:50] <amitk> with union=aufs?
[16:50] <ogra> without union=
[16:50] <ogra> which defaults to aufs
[16:50] <ogra> i see it loading aufs
[16:50] <amitk> ok
[16:50] <ogra> switching to console i see multiple motd messages
[16:51] <ogra> something is wrong with the login, but its hard to debug since i konw if i boot into single mode i will see everything with the user is right
[16:52]  * ogra will boot into single and start executing the initscripts piece by piece ... time consuming, but probably i see where i hit the issue
[16:53] <ogra> oh
[16:53]  * Martyn chuckles, the dd is still going :)
[16:53] <Martyn> this isn't my first dance with new hardware, but I'm frankly amazed at how fast you guys at canonical are doing the bring-up of this one
[16:54] <ogra> well, we know our tools :)
[16:54] <ogra> so its just a matter of adapting them
[16:54] <Martyn> HUZZAH
[16:54] <Martyn> we're up.
[16:54] <ogra> the main issue was to get initramfs working with redboot
[16:55] <ogra> everything beyond that is just small adjustments
[16:55] <ogra> congrats !
[16:55] <Martyn> gets as far as sd
[16:55] <Martyn> then stops
[16:55] <ogra> give it time :)
[16:55] <Martyn> timeout issue?
[16:55] <ogra> it looks for the squashfs that takes some seconds ...
[16:56] <ogra> amitk, klogd still dies
[16:56] <Martyn> there it goes..
[16:56] <Martyn> I should probably disable SATA
[16:56] <Martyn> okay, I'm seing the tty messages
[16:56] <Martyn> nice X
[16:56] <Martyn> and there we go.  Thanks ogra :)
[16:57] <ogra> enjoy
[16:57] <ogra> note that its not installable
[16:57] <Martyn> This is a much faster bring-up than I usually have to do (kernel, then busybox, then ...)
[16:57] <Martyn> That's fine.  This is enough for us to do some very, very important tests for the work we're doing.
[16:58] <ogra> but you could for example use debootstrap or the rootfs script from the channel topic and install a system to a usb disk
[16:58] <Martyn> *nod*
[16:58] <Martyn> Or sata?
[16:58] <ogra> then just change the cmdline in redboot to not use casper
[16:58] <Martyn> Or is boot-to-sata not quite yet ready for prime time?
[16:58] <ogra> and add root=UUID=<uuid of your disk partition>
[16:58] <ogra> i havent tried sata at all yet
[16:58] <amitk> usb disk should work well
[16:59] <ogra> and i think sata is just a fake ...
[16:59] <ogra> in the backend its attached to usb
[16:59] <Martyn> Oh, you think there's a bridge chip?
[16:59] <ogra> yes
[16:59] <Martyn> The mx51's spec shows a SATA controller though.
[16:59] <Martyn> well, doesn't matter :)
[16:59] <ogra> well, feel free to try it :)
[17:00] <ogra> (if amitk has the sata driver enabled)
[17:00] <Martyn> I'm pleased as punch to have a working install.   I'll track your builds from this point.
[17:00] <Martyn> It looked like it was at least trying to bring sata up during kernel initialization
[17:00] <amitk> ogra: no sata drivers yet IIRC
[17:00] <Martyn> amitk : Danke.
[17:00] <ogra> right, thats what i thought
[17:01] <amitk> Martyn: I'll flesh out support for _every_ storage driver as a module in the next upload
[17:02] <ogra> if we find one that doesnt make the consoles die :P
[17:02] <Martyn> amitk : Ooooo :)
[17:03] <Martyn> ogra : Just out of curiosity, where are the authentication token error messages coming from?
[17:03] <ogra> which one ? "your password is expired" ?
[17:04] <Martyn> yep
[17:04] <ogra> run "sudo hwclock --systohc" and reboot ...
[17:04] <ogra> (if your system clock is right at least)
[17:04] <ogra> that fixes it
[17:05] <ogra> useradd somehow sets the expiry time to zero if the system date is at 01 01 1970
[17:05] <ogra> setting the hwclock fixes it
[17:07] <Martyn> fixed, and thanks.
[17:07] <Martyn> worth adding to your README
[17:08] <Martyn> now I want the serial debug dongle ... -sigh-
[17:08] <ogra> worth fixing the bug rather :)
[17:09] <Martyn> being a unionfs based image, I'm assuming any changes I make to the FS will be lost at reboot?
[17:09] <Martyn> very much worth fixing the bug!  It's just more of an appnote for that very first release of the image
[17:14] <Martyn> thanks :) You guys just made my day.
[17:16] <ogra> amitk, hmm, klogd tries to access /dev/console
[17:16] <ogra> and then dies
[17:16] <Martyn> interesting!
[17:16] <Martyn> when the hwclock is set correctly, the tty's also come to life
[17:16] <ogra> yep
[17:17] <ogra> the autologin works then
[17:17] <Martyn> it does indeed
[17:17] <ogra> upstart makes them die if the user isnt set up correctly
[17:17] <Martyn> no modules.dep file?
[17:17] <ogra> nope, next image will have the kernel package inside
[17:17] <Martyn> heh, no modules at all :)
[17:17] <Martyn> *chuckle*
[17:17] <ogra> and have the modules.dep
[17:17] <Martyn> should I apt-get it?
[17:18] <ogra> apt-get install linux-imx51
[17:18] <Martyn> done
[17:18] <ogra> that will get you everything you need
[17:18] <ogra> note that the NIC driver is shaky
[17:18] <Martyn> Yeah, I know.  Works okay though.
[17:19] <Martyn> you guys should be very, very proud of this.   Most hardware first bring-ups are a hell of a lot more shaky than this.
[17:19] <Martyn> This is practically almost useable in comparison to some projects I've worked on.
[17:20] <ogra> :)
[17:23] <Martyn> Wow, everything is arm V7 clean?
[17:23] <Martyn> no v4 compiles?
[17:36] <Martyn> what's the process I have to kill to prevent the 100% cpu spinning?
[17:36] <Martyn> gnome-keyring?
[17:46] <Martyn> ogra, how do I get the live image to boot single user, if I don't have access to the serial console?
[17:55] <Stskeeps> Martyn: think it's armv5te targeted, not armv7
[18:05] <Martyn> Stskeeps : Thanks.
[18:06] <Martyn> I was wondering how far the system was going to be optimised...
[18:06] <Martyn> v5 is good enough
[18:06] <Stskeeps> think they're looking at HWCAP of libraries too, which makes sense
[18:14] <ogra> Martyn, we might switch to v7 completely with 9.10
[18:14] <ogra> its still being benchmarked what we gain from it and will be discussed at next UDS
[18:15] <Stskeeps> or loose in terms of supporting less devices, heh
[18:15] <Martyn> ogra : *nod*
[18:16] <Martyn> ogra : If I don't have access to the redboot monitor (thanks to having no serial debug board), how can I get the liveimage you've posted to come up single user?
[18:16] <ogra> not at all ...
[18:17]  * Martyn tried hexediting the redboot, to change the kernel bootparams, but that didn't work :)
[18:17] <ogra> lool is working on something we should see next week that will make it possible to dd changes into the fis partitions
[18:17] <Martyn> Is there a way to bring down X safely once the livecd has booted, without triggering a reboot?
[18:18] <ogra> you can switch to a console and sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop i guess
[18:18] <Martyn> Tried that.  No joy.
[18:19] <ogra> well, both options you can set are cmdline options to get into single
[18:19] <ogra> and the cmdline is only accessible via serial atm
[18:19] <ogra> one would be to add "text" to it, the other would be "single"
[18:19] <Martyn> yep
[18:19] <ogra> text actually gets you a full system, while single gets you only a recovery console
[18:20] <Martyn> Oh well :)  I guess I have to be patient and wait until Monday when a serial debug dongle will arrive as if by magic.
[18:20]  * ogra was pondering to add a menu to the boot  ....
[18:20] <ogra> but i have to much to do to track down the kernel issues on the weekend ...
[18:21] <ogra> if i magically find the solution i might look into adding some bootmenu


[00:00] <Azelphur> the other interesting symptom I get, I have multiple X screens (Not xinerama/twinview) and if I move my mouse to another X screen while the freeze is going, I end up with my mouse rapidly flickering between the edges of both screens, and X stays locked up forever :p
[00:02] <Sarvatt> Azelphur: yeah thats an nvidia driver problem, it might be worth trying a newer one out (via ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates)
[00:02] <Azelphur> cool ty, good to know it's not hardware :D
[00:02] <Azelphur> I will try the ppa :)
[00:03] <Sarvatt> that being said i did have an nvidia gpu completely die and it was showing those exact symptoms before it did
[00:03] <Azelphur> I wish it would just completely die if it was hardware, haha
[00:03] <Azelphur> I got the EVGA 25 year warranty :D
[00:03] <Sarvatt> but better to try newer drivers before remotely thinking that :)
[00:04] <Azelphur> indeed
[00:04] <Azelphur> although it might be my 8800GT that's dieing, it is getting quite old now.
[00:05] <Azelphur> (I have a GTX 570 and 8800GT in the same box, lots of monitors \o/)
[00:05] <bryceh> I agree it's probably driver rather than hardware, but sometimes bad memory, overheating or insufficient/inconsistent power supply can do stuff like that
[00:06] <bryceh> if it were -intel I'd say it was definitely a driver gpu issue, but -nvidia tends to be better on that count
[00:06] <bryceh> Azelphur, treat yourself to some new hw, you deserve it ;-)
[00:07] <Azelphur> can eliminate bad memory (tested it yesterday with memtest86) and overheating (temperature monitoring on the desktop), also insufficient power supply can go (1200W Corsair)
[00:07] <Azelphur> haha
[00:07] <bryceh> plus, if it is a driver problem, the likelihood of it getting fixed is low
[00:07] <Azelphur> GTX 570 is new hardware :(
[00:08] <bryceh> oh, you have two video cards installed?
[00:08] <Azelphur> yes
[00:08] <Rovanion> Azelphur: I'm bying one of those, like tomorrow or the day after
[00:08] <Azelphur> bryceh: I have a GTX 570 (2 monitors, twinview) and an 8800GT (2 monitors, twinview)
[00:08] <Azelphur> so 2 X screens both with twinview \o/
[00:09] <bryceh> if it were me, I'd use two identical video cards, or at least two of relatively recent vintage
[00:10] <Azelphur> knowing my luck it's probably a bug in the driver exacerbated by my weird setup that'll never get fixed
[00:10] <bryceh> Azelphur, that's likely so
[00:10] <Azelphur> hehe :p
[00:10] <Azelphur> yea I wouldn't mind doing that, but GTX 570 is quite expensive for monitors that are never gonna see any gaming
[00:11] <Azelphur> I use the 8800GT for boring stuff like IM/Browsing, the GTX 570 gets all the action.
[00:11] <Rovanion> Azelphur: Are you using the free or propitary drivers?
[00:11] <bryceh> it seems like a configuration that would tend not to get much testing by NVIDIA
[00:11] <Azelphur> proprietary
[00:11] <Azelphur> bryceh: haha, indeed :)
[00:12] <bryceh> Azelphur, you might file a bug report upstream to the nvidia forums, but like I said it'd probably not get much attention
[00:13] <Rovanion> But on the off chance that it does. Well it doesn't hurt to report it.
[00:13] <Azelphur> yea, if it persists after the x-swat update I will
[00:14] <Sarvatt> i might be remembering wrong but I'm pretty sure I saw a gtx 570 hang fix in the 275.xx changelogs at some point
[00:14] <Azelphur> If there becomes a way for me to have multiple displays across multiple cards without killing performance (ie xinerama) I could justify getting another GTX 570 :P
[00:14] <Azelphur> nice, hopefully that'll be me :)
[00:15] <Azelphur> tri screen gaming in wine would be funny, hehe
[00:15] <Sarvatt> Azelphur: you could buy a 4-6 output ATI, but those would have to be displayport displays for that to work :P
[00:16] <Azelphur> yea, and the ATI drivers arn't really up for wine gaming yet
[00:16] <Azelphur> although from what I've heard things have been getting better since AMD took over
[00:17] <Sarvatt> nope fglrx is definitely still a nightmare compared to nvidia
[00:17] <Rovanion> Azelphur: Well that doesn't guarantee that the quality has reached a usable state yet, just that it's better than running the game on a cracker
[00:17] <Sarvatt> takes 4 months for a fix to make it into a released version of the drivers
[00:18] <Azelphur> haha
[00:19] <Azelphur> I'm still not sure what I'm supposed to be watching for re tri screen gaming
[00:19] <Azelphur> I think I need nvidia to implement randr support
[00:19] <Sarvatt> any games beside final fantasy XIV even support that?
[00:19] <Azelphur> sure they do, I actually did it via xinerama for kicks once
[00:20] <Azelphur> if you just trick the game into thinking it's running on one big monitor, it usually works well
[00:23] <Azelphur> Sarvatt: you can also do cool things with WoW like move the viewport around and use a second screen for the UI while keeping the first screen totally clear for the viewport :)
[00:28] <Sarvatt> Azelphur: next step http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiYDbdHB548&feature=related :)
[00:28] <Azelphur> haha :D
[00:29] <Azelphur> I have 4 x 1920x1200 landscape (7680x1200), I nearly have what he has :D
[00:29] <bryceh> :-)
[00:30] <Azelphur> those are only running at 1680x1050 I think, still fun though :)
[00:30] <Azelphur> I've always said that if nvidia got their stuff sorted out for scaling across GPU's I'd buy another 2 monitors \o/
[00:32] <Sarvatt> Azelphur: long shot but try Option "UseEvents" "false" in your xorg.conf, that did help me with my dying gpu
[00:33] <Azelphur> I saw something about that, doesn't it reduce performance?
[00:33] <Sarvatt> i have no idea to be honest
[00:34] <Azelphur> Hehe, easiest way to find out is to try I guess :)
[00:34] <Sarvatt> it worked with that for another 2 months before it really died and wouldn't even work in windows anymore
[00:34] <Azelphur> haha
[00:35] <Sarvatt> are you getting NVRM messages when it happens in dmesg too?
[00:37] <bryceh> Sarvatt, take it you survived the hurricane?
[00:39] <Sarvatt> bryceh: yeah, barely noticed it here somehow
[00:43] <Azelphur> Sarvatt: nope, nothing in dmesg :(
[09:17] <RAOF> Hm.  A surprising number of people are having the mesa upgrade break their systems because they've installed multiarched nvidia drivers from somewhere.
[09:25] <tjaalton> oh
[09:27] <ricotz> RAOF, on natty?
[09:27] <RAOF> ricotz: Yes.
[09:27] <RAOF> ricotz: Incidentally, are you coming to UDS?
[09:28] <ricotz> the nvidia driver in edgers for natty is multiarched as the rest of the xorg stack
[09:28] <ricotz> RAOF, perhaps, i signed for sponsorship
[09:28]  * RAOF goes to see if he can +1 that anywhere
[09:29] <ricotz> nice ;)
[09:29] <RAOF> ricotz: I guess quite a lot of people are installing _just_ nvidia-current from -edgers, or something.
[09:30] <RAOF> bug #833149 and bug #833841, if you're interested.
[09:30] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 833149 in mesa (Ubuntu) "package libglu1-mesa 7.10.2-0ubuntu2.1 [modified: usr/lib/libGLU.so.1.3.071000] failed to install/upgrade: problemi con le dipendenze - lasciato non configurato (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/833149
[09:30] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 833841 in mesa (Ubuntu) "libgl1-mesa-glx alternative link (affects: 4) (dups: 1) (heat: 24)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/833841
[09:30] <ricotz> RAOF, yeah, i is my quess too, since 285.03 might no be available so widely
[09:31] <RAOF> Anyway, time for dinner here!
[14:56] <bjsnider> ricotz, if they installed anything from edgers they shouldn't complain about breakage
[16:33] <Sarvatt> well the dri1 only drivers being dropped will save 400KB off the livecd at least
[16:34] <Sarvatt> libgl1-mesa-dri_7.12.0~git20110826.3bcb9a85-0ubuntu0sarvatt_i386.deb (2.9 MiB) libgl1-mesa-dri_7.12.0~git20110829.beca3316-0ubuntu0sarvatt2_i386.deb (2.5 MiB)
[17:03] <Sarvatt> anyone around using xorg-edgers on amd64 natty?
[17:06] <Sarvatt> if so, can ya try adding foreign-architecture i386 to /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/multiarch, apt-get updating and paste what happens when you try to do a apt-get install libgl1-mesa-dri:i386?
[17:06] <Sarvatt> should be working now but want to be sure
[17:10] <bjsnider> would there be an advantage to running 32-but mesa?
[17:11] <Sarvatt> wine, google-earth, 32 bit flash all require it on amd64
[17:12] <bjsnider> i c
[17:12] <Sarvatt> they've been broken since i multiarched natty mesa making ia32-libs mesa stop working
[18:29] <bjsnider> ricotz, are you seeing any kind of issue in gnome 3 where you can't rename a file using nautilus?
[20:16] <ricotz> bjsnider, havent seens such problem with nautilus