[00:06] <qwertuttyty> To test this, I will not install ubuntu-gnome. I don't want. It's easier for me to copy the files to format a USB flash drive to another file system and see.
[00:17] <qwertuttyty> ubuntu-mate is installed. I will check it how in u-mate
[00:18] <qwertuttyty> i am writing from Windows host
[00:19] <qwertuttyty> pidgin
[00:58] <isene> I have an entry in crontab to run a script every hour (as root): 0 * * * * /bin/script
[00:59] <isene> I can run the script manually,  but crontab doesn't run it
[00:59] <sarnold> check root's mail, it may have an error in there
[00:59] <sarnold> the most common problem is usally the different PATH that cron sets than your interactive shell has
[00:59] <isene> sarnold: Thanks.  Will check
[01:00] <sarnold> but it's worth checking for errors in the email to try to find out what exactly it reported, if anything
[01:00] <isene> I do run the same absolute path manually and in crontab...
[01:01] <isene> But will check root's mail
[01:02] <qwertuttyty> it looks like the recording on the usb flash has stopped at 160072 kB, I will still observe.
[01:23] <qwertuttyty> I wonder what it was. 160 MB was written and how often this will happen
[01:23] <pytorch> I want to run "apt update/upgrade" on all my servers using a single script. What is a good way to set this up?
[01:28] <sarnold> pytorch: modify the unattended-upgrades package configuration to do what you want it to do
[01:29] <pytorch> sarnold: I would like to manually fire update/upgrade at times on a selection of servers.
[01:30] <sarnold> pytorch: ah. ansible / chef / puppet things are popular for these kinds of tasks
[01:31] <oerheks> or maybe a multiple ssh connection, clusterssh
[01:31] <oerheks> !info clusterssh
[01:32] <sarnold> 'or rsh'
[01:32] <sarnold> wow :)
[01:33] <pytorch> thanks!
[01:33] <pytorch> I'll look into clusterssh/rsh
[01:34] <sarnold> pytorch: ignore rsh :)
[01:34] <sarnold> pytorch: ssh replaced rsh something like 22 years ago
[01:34] <sarnold> so rsh showing up in the package descruiption suggests to me that it's pretty old :)
[01:35] <pytorch> both rsh / clusterssh seem be less maintained than ansible
[01:36] <oerheks> ansible and chef, one needs to know the tools and logic behind it.
[01:37] <oerheks> it is like using openoffice as a notepad
[01:38] <pytorch> seems like i'm going to use ansible
[01:42] <qwertuttyty> "qwertuttyty: not much in the idle writes ( if writes). ~ 1 mb per hour" - wrong
[03:49] <loganlee> hello folks!
[03:50]  * loganlee runs ubuntu 20.4.1 LTS
[03:51] <Bashing-om> loganlee: Out of date ? >> Ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS :D
[03:52] <loganlee> Bashing-om: maybe i'm mistaken but it is ubuntu 20.4.* LTS
[03:55] <amicrawler> hello
[03:55] <amicrawler> is there a work around for this finding noting on the subject
[03:56] <amicrawler> file:///run/user/1000/gvfs/ftp:host=<IP_ADDRESS>
[03:57] <amicrawler> cant view photos with out this loading all the time
[04:01] <oerheks> gvfs gnome firtual filesystem, must be related to a connected android, ftp, google photo or such, mounted on <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:02] <oerheks> what is wrong with that?
[04:09] <amicrawler> i dont have a droid
[04:09] <amicrawler> i do use ftp
[04:10] <amicrawler> is there a way to unmount where ever is there ?
[04:48] <tomreyn> amicrawler: gio unmount, or udisksctl unmount
[04:50] <loganlee> how do i remove a service file safely? do i do `systemctl disale blah.service` then delete that service file?
[04:50] <loganlee> systemctl disable blah.service
[04:56] <Bashing-om> loganlee: sudo systemctl stop <service> ; sudo systemctl disable <service> - a "disable" stops the service but it can be restarted by you or another process. A "mask" makes the service un-startable until you "unmask" it: ' sudo systemctl mask <service> .
[07:54] <Hash> Hello, ubuntu updated dovecot to 2.3 but I want to downgrade for now to 2.2 how can I?
[07:58] <lupulo> Hash, you could download the package and install with dpkg -i
[07:59] <TheBigK> lupulo: thats probably not gonna fly due to dependencies
[08:02] <TheBigK> Hash: there are 2 ways to go about it. Compile the package by hand. That would mean that U can its working even tho u upgrade ur system. A downgrad is only supported to a previous version inside that distribution. If u use the older package from a different distribution... u need to know what ur doing and its probably not supported since u mixing distriubutions...
[08:10] <Hash> Is it possible to pin it?
[08:10] <Hash> Or a version
[08:11] <Hash> Package: dovecot-core
[08:11] <Hash> Pin: version 2.2*
[08:11] <Hash> Pin-Priority: 999
[08:12] <Hash> but if you need dovecot* can do you that?
[08:15] <me-sudoer-dentne> I need help with setting up mpd
[08:15] <me-sudoer-dentne> i am unable to use pulse with mpd
[08:16] <me-sudoer-dentne> can someone just tell me the vague steps in setting it up
[08:16] <legreffier> what have you tried ? how does it fail ?
[08:16] <me-sudoer-dentne> should i show the logs
[08:17] <me-sudoer-dentne> in bpas.te
[08:17] <legreffier> anywhere except here... any relevant info is a plus.
[08:18] <me-sudoer-dentne> it says couldn't connect to pulse
[08:19] <me-sudoer-dentne> and now its not even starting
[08:45] <Hash> Is there any way to go back to 2.2 dovecot on 20.04? I Tried a few things but no luck in pinning
[08:46] <Hash> I was on 2.2, and after updated, I'm on 2.3. Would like to downgrade. same ubuntu version 20.04
[08:51] <lupulo> Hash, TheBigK says to you, you search the package 2.2, and download the tgz, after you try to ./configure and make install
[08:51] <Hash> Oh
[08:52] <TheBigK> thanks for clarifying lupulo ;)
[08:52] <Hash> Where can I find the 2.2 tgz in 20.04?
[08:52] <Hash> I'm having trouble finding it
[08:52] <TheBigK> lol. no tgz for 20.04
[08:52] <Hash> WHy?
[08:52] <TheBigK> u download the sources and compile by hand
[08:52] <Hash> What happens to older packages?
[08:52] <Hash> Dont' you guys archive anything?
[08:53] <TheBigK> Hash u dont understand the problem
[08:53] <TheBigK> obviously 20.04 is available with dovecot 2.2
[08:53] <TheBigK> but the problem is ur dependencies...
[08:54] <TheBigK> the dovecot 2.2 package in ubuntu 20.04 has different depenendcies than it expects in ru 21.04 installation
[08:54] <Hash> I don't have 21
[08:54] <Hash> Why are we alking about 21?
[08:54] <Hash> I'm very confused.
[08:55] <Hash> I have always been on 20.04. I accidentally did apt update. I got 2.3 now I want to go back to 2.2.
[08:55] <TheBigK> Hash: am i crazy? did ubuntu lts rly cahnge the version of dovecot?
[08:55] <TheBigK> okay i got it... sorry... i misunderstood completely
[08:55] <Hash> yes, it broke my server.
[08:55] <TheBigK> im sorry
[08:55] <TheBigK> i would never thought that Ubuntu changes the major version of a package
[08:55] <Hash> Apparently so. And you can't even get the previous version through apt
[08:56] <TheBigK> lets see... apt-cache policy dovecot .. can u pastebin that for me?
[08:56] <lupulo> Hash, you could use docker too, https://hub.docker.com/r/dovecot/dovecot/
[08:56] <Hash> No more complications. I just want to go bck to 2.2
[08:56] <Hash> No more dockers nothing
[08:56] <lupulo> Hash, Ubuntu should fix the defects in previous packages.
[08:57] <Hash> https://termbin.com/3ya0
[08:58] <Hash> What happened to the 2.2 packages?
[08:58] <Hash> Did they just disappear in the Universe?
[08:58] <Hash> Why can't I just remove dovecot 2.3 completely, and apt-get install dovecot-core=2.2 or something?
[08:59] <Hash> I am very confused by how ubuntu works
[08:59] <Hash> Why is it offering me major email server upgrade that breaks the server in an LTS release?
[08:59] <Hash> It should be frozen. No new version and only security updates.
[08:59] <Hash> Why is a new version coming into frozen? Is this not like debian? Do you not freeze an LTS/stable?
[09:00] <Hash> Where is the stability?
[09:00] <Hash> I'm VERY confused.
[09:00] <lupulo> Hash, sure it exists a developer channel of Ubuntu, you could ask about policy
[09:00] <viktor_> I know it's a stupid question, but i can't figure out the right syntax for this "ufw allow in from <IP_ADDRESS>/255 to any port app Samba". Anyone?
[09:04] <viktor_> Hash: Have you looked into Debian?
[09:05] <TheBigK> Hash: when did u do updates the last time? im also very confused
[09:05] <Hash> I've no idea.
[09:05] <TheBigK> viktor_: that doesnt help him. his server is broken... :)
[09:05] <Hash> I just now realized the mail server is down.
[09:05] <Hash> I can't remember how long it's been down.
[09:06] <Hash> Worst case scenario, I'm making a snapshot at this point. Then going to restore the snapshot from Dec 19 2020
[09:06] <Hash> The last date I did one.  If not, \o/
[09:06] <TheBigK> can u pastebin the /var/log/apt/history.log ?
[09:08] <TheBigK> hash http://ubuntu-master.mirror.tudos.de/ubuntu/pool/main/d/dovecot/
[09:08] <Hash> I already saw it there is nothing there regarding dovecot upgrade, just what I did today remove/reinstall etc.
[09:09] <TheBigK> whats the actual reason that u want to downgrade from 2.3 to 2.2... i just came here wanting to downgrade...
[09:09] <TheBigK> * u just came here... :)
[09:10] <lupulo> Hash, why a docker dovecot is not useful for you?
[09:11] <TheBigK> lupulo: if he doesnt know how to handle docker... it wont help right now to confuse him more ;D
[09:12] <TheBigK> lupulo: but ur right... docker could help him downgrading in a way...
[09:13] <TheBigK> lupulo: is there actually a major release upgrade done in ubuntu 20.04
[09:13] <lupulo> Hash, you have the right version without destroy Ubuntu https://hub.docker.com/r/instrumentisto/dovecot
[09:13] <Hash> Alright my friend
[09:13] <Hash> https://bpa.st/HUKQ
[09:13] <Hash> Looks like we're a solid golden monkey right now
[09:14] <TheBigK> so u recovered the snapshot ?
[09:14] <TheBigK> or whats going on
[09:14] <Hash> No
[09:14] <Hash> I grabbed the 2.2.33 from your link and voila.
[09:14] <Hash> My world makes sense once again.
[09:14] <TheBigK> okay... but u should be aware of the security risk
[09:14] <TheBigK> please read changelogs and check if u can make 2.3 work somehow :)
[09:15] <Hash> Yes, current goal is to have business emails working again.
[09:15] <TheBigK> i get that. thats why i tried to help as much as i can
[09:15] <Hash> I will figure out a new email setup soon. I'm tired of exim and dovecot.
[09:15] <Hash> Thanks for recognizing the priority
[09:15] <TheBigK> dovecot is the way to go... about exim i would agree on :D
[09:15] <Hash> I have online shop, and lack of emails made a customer do a chargeback on a purchase
[09:16] <Hash> Anyway. whew! what a night.
[09:16] <TheBigK> i wanna change to dovecot... but somehow im always to lazy :D
[09:16] <Hash> Going to apt hold dovecot packages. For now.
[09:16] <TheBigK> so many emails in my cyrus... :D
[09:17] <Hash> in 12 years I haave no email problems. It works fine. Just stupid stuff like this is small issue for few hours every few years.
[09:17] <TheBigK> what did the log say in terms of starting dovecot... may be the fix isnt as hard as it looks right now
[09:17] <Hash> It's worth the price tag.
[09:17] <Hash> No idea. Time to sleepy sleepy
[09:17] <TheBigK> okay... bye :)
[09:17] <Hash> Good night! Thanks for your help
[09:18] <Hash> Also, it's very strange how ubuntu did this inside of an LTS.
[09:19] <Hash> When debian is frozen, it's frozen. You can cont on it and rely on it.
[09:19] <Hash> It seems though 2.2 -> 2.3 is from ubutnu security...
[09:20] <Hash> Really? Ubuntu does version uprades in an LTS from security too?
[09:20] <Hash> That's a really peculiar model. I will have to compare with debian.
[09:26] <lupulo> Hash, you could try FreeBSD too
[09:29] <lupulo> port moved to mail/dovecot on 2019-02-04
[09:29] <lupulo> REASON: Has expired: End of Life upstream, use mail/dovecot instead
[09:29] <lupulo> https://www.freshports.org/mail/dovecot22/
[09:30] <lupulo> it seems similar to Ubuntu
[09:31] <lotuspsychje> lupulo: lets not reccomend freebsd in the ubuntu support channel
[09:32] <lupulo> ok
[09:35] <viktor_> trying to set up ufw, but i seem to missing some small syntax thing. Anyone can tell me how i should write this: "ufw allow from <IP_ADDRESS>/255 to app Samba"?
[09:35] <viktor_> want to limit the incomming ip-addresses to local and limit the rule to Samba
[09:35] <lotuspsychje> viktor_: could try #netfilter if you like
[10:05] <pikapika> Does 21.04 have the option for xorg?
[10:05] <lotuspsychje> pikapika: yes, at login
[10:05] <pikapika> Ok, thank god
[10:06] <pikapika> lotuspsychje, is 20.04 xorg or wayland by default?
[10:06] <pikapika> (the lts version
[10:06] <pikapika> (the lts version)
[10:06] <lotuspsychje> 20.04 has xorg by default, 21.04 wayland
[10:06] <pikapika> Ok
[10:06] <pikapika> Does that indicate the next lts (ie 22.04 lts) would be wayland default?
[10:23] <ravage>  If it will still be the default in 21.10 then it is very likely
[10:52] <ogra> pikapika, wayland will likely be the default in the next LTS, but as long as nvidia does not work with it there will always be a selectable xorg session (which will be the default for nvidia users automatically)
[11:15] <parabyte> hi any rooms for mumudvb or digital tv linux?
[11:15] <parabyte> im having no luck getting mumudvb to work properly
[11:17] <lotuspsychje> parabyte: mumudvb seems to be on the official repos, whats your issue exactly?
[11:17] <parabyte> WARN:  DVB:  Error : DVR buffer overrun
[11:19] <parabyte> and when i view a multicast stream i get a few seconds of sound and then vlc borks out, im assuming cause mumudvb decided to stop sending data
[11:19] <parabyte> i get the same results across all popular video software projects mplayer etc
[11:20] <agvantibo> Hello. I was trying to upgrade from focal to groovy and the installer crashed. Attempts to restart it were futile, and it corrupted sources.list. What do I do?
[11:21] <parabyte> fire up a terminal emulator agvantibo
[11:22] <agvantibo> super+t okay
[11:22] <agvantibo> aand?
[11:23] <parabyte> um you may want to check google for answers agvantibo but off the top of my head i believe sudo apt-get -f install is what you want
[11:23] <parabyte> check with other users before you commit agvantibo as i am not a ubuntu user! but i am pretty certain that will tell apt to figure out whats going on and finish the install
[11:24] <agvantibo> https://paste.gnome.org/phelxenee nope
[11:24] <agvantibo> You do know what a sources.list is, right?
[11:24] <agvantibo> RIGHT?
[11:25] <parabyte> yes
[11:25] <agvantibo> Das good to hear
[11:26] <parabyte> agvantibo, do a google for failed ubuntu upgrade what to do!
[11:26] <agvantibo> I've tried update-manager -c -d and /usr/lib/ubuntu-release-upgrader/check-new-release-gtk to no avail either
[11:26] <parabyte> you be surprised what google will throw up
[11:26] <agvantibo> and I've done my homework, believe me
[11:26] <parabyte> im a debian user unfortunately so some of my information maybe invalid for you
[11:27] <agvantibo> That's why I am asking
[11:27] <agvantibo> parabyte, ok. It is probably too distro-specific
[11:27] <parabyte> agvantibo, if there is nothing special installed on your system, and you have a seperate home file system on your hard drive seperate from root maybe just reinstall the distro?
[11:27] <parabyte> i know its fun learning new things, but sometimes just doing that saves so much time!
[11:27] <agvantibo> uauuugh
[11:28] <parabyte> especially when a distro like ubuntu gets confused and goes into dependency hell cause of apt
[11:28] <agvantibo> no, I have too much important packages set up to just ruin it
[11:28] <parabyte> no thats fair enough, maybe bear my idea in mind, copy all the configuration for your packages to a usb key from etc
[11:29] <parabyte> worth a thought
[11:29] <agvantibo> https://paste.gnome.org/pdu10rerx WOAH look what happened
[11:29] <agvantibo> Is that ok?
[11:29] <agvantibo> Is that what I want?
[11:29] <parabyte> face detection!
[11:29] <agvantibo> Yes
[11:29] <parabyte> lol i dont have that on debian
[11:30] <parabyte> have you pressed yes?
[11:30] <agvantibo> It's called howdy and you could get it here: https://github.com/boltgolt/howdy
[11:30] <agvantibo> not yet
[11:30] <parabyte> well things are borked up already, i see no harm in telling apt to upgrade those packages?!
[11:30] <parabyte> take my advice with a pinch of salt!
[11:30] <parabyte> but just my opinion
[11:31] <agvantibo> I am unsure if it is okay with the destroyed sources.list
[11:31] <parabyte> hang on
[11:31] <agvantibo> And the system is perfectly usable even across reboots (yet)
[11:31] <parabyte> cant you edit the sources.list with the new release name
[11:31] <parabyte> do a apt-get update
[11:31] <agvantibo> So my fear of breaking things should be understood
[11:31] <parabyte> and then try dist-upgrade
[11:32] <parabyte> but yeah this is sounding like breaking things you are right!
[11:32] <agvantibo> I've pressed Y...
[11:32] <parabyte> ok!
[11:32] <heller_> hey guys. upgrading fom 16.04 LTS to 20.xx LTS. Anything to take note of?
[11:32] <parabyte> wow thats a old release heller_
[11:32] <heller_> yeah, i  know
[11:33] <lotuspsychje> 16.04 is still supported
[11:33] <agvantibo> https://paste.gnome.org/pqxcqixqk Went smooth AFAIK
[11:33] <agvantibo> Brrr, I'm afraid to reboot now
[11:34] <agvantibo> And this is my ONLY pc and my ONLY daily driver.
[11:34] <parabyte> lol
[11:34] <parabyte> oh no
[11:34] <agvantibo> Wouldn't like to bork things up
[11:34] <heller_> so nothing special to think of? :)
[11:34] <jkwnki> hi, i installed sshfs. now when trying to mount my mobile device its complaining with: "fuse: device not found, try 'modprobe fuse' first". on arch fuse3 is a dependency of sshfs
[11:34] <parabyte> i installed coreboot onto one of my systems a few days ago and lost all system fans including psu fan! hahahah
[11:35] <parabyte> trying to debug why that is happening exactly
[11:35] <jkwnki> should i install fuse3 separately?
[11:36] <jkwnki> and why isnt fuse dependency of sshfs when its complaining about it?
[11:36] <agvantibo> heller_ I HOPE NO, 'CAUSE UPGRADING FROM 20.04 to 20.10 BROKE MY PC!
[11:36] <agvantibo> *late loud shouting warning*
[11:37] <heller_> what about the upgrading path. can i go from 16.xx to 20xx ?
[11:37] <ravage> im sure you have a backup made before started that process
[11:37] <heller_> or do i have to do 18.xx first?
[11:37] <ravage> you can only upgrade from version to version
[11:37] <ravage> or lts to lts
[11:38] <ravage> you cant skip one
[11:38] <agvantibo>  /usr/lib/ubuntu-release-upgrader/check-new-release-gtk
[11:38] <agvantibo> /usr/lib/ubuntu-release-upgrader/check-new-release-gtk:30: PyGIWarning: Gtk was imported without specifying a version first. Use gi.require_version('Gtk', '3.0') before import to ensure that the right version gets loaded.
[11:38] <agvantibo>   from gi.repository import Gtk
[11:38] <agvantibo> WARNING:root:timeout reached, exiting
[11:38] <agvantibo> also this
[11:38] <agvantibo> what the funk is this
[11:40] <Venemo> hey guys
[11:40] <Venemo> is it possible on ubuntu for a 32 and 64 bit library to coexist?
[11:40] <Venemo> I'm trying to install llvm-dev:i386 and it wants to uninstall a bunch of 64 bit packages
[11:40] <agvantibo> No
[11:41] <agvantibo> Unfortunately
[11:41] <Venemo> is this a recent regression? I was unaware that it stopped working
[11:41] <Venemo> and it works on other distros
[11:41] <agvantibo> Wait wtf -dev is source code, right?
[11:41] <Venemo> -dev is the development package
[11:41] <agvantibo> Yes
[11:42] <Venemo> it has headers, pkg-config files and such
[11:42] <agvantibo> Oh. Oops
[11:42] <ravage> Venemo, Ubuntu has a 32 bit path for libs. so :i386 packages can coexist if installed via apt
[11:42] <heller_> how can i upgrade ubuntu without upgraind php?
[11:42] <heller_> i need to stick with 7.3. for now. Upgrade is trying to get me php8
[11:42] <ravage> heller_, PPA
[11:43] <Venemo> ravage: why does apt want to remove a bunch of 64 bit packages when I tell it to install llvm-dev:i386 ?
[11:43] <heller_> ravage: care to explain in short?
[11:44] <ravage> i dont know. it is defined that way in the package dependencies then
[11:44] <ravage> maybe there are problems when both are installed
[11:44] <ravage> heller_, https://launchpad.net/~ondrej/+archive/ubuntu/php
[11:45] <Venemo> ravage: is this a bug that I should report somewhere, or is this intended behaviour?
[11:45] <ravage> but PPAs are not supported here. so read the docs. there also like 1000 articles about this on google
[11:45] <heller_> any other ways?
[11:45] <heller_> can i just upgrade --without php or something? :)
[11:45] <ravage> Venemo, sounds very intentional to me
[11:45] <ravage> you can upgrade or remove php first. then add the PPA
[11:46] <ravage> and reinstall 7.3
[11:46] <Venemo> ravage: I'd like to compile both a 64 and 32 bit version of mesa, so I need both the 64 and 32 bit versions of the llvm devel package
[11:46] <ravage> Venemo, i can't provide any specific information about that.
[11:46] <Venemo> I can do this on other distros, but not sure how to ubuntu
[11:47] <Venemo> I guess I'll just stick to other distros, thank you
[11:50] <heller_> also what about the upgrading path. go from 16 to 20 or first to 18
[11:51] <ravage> heller_, please read previous answers
[11:51] <heller_> right. was kinda waiting for a second option :p
[11:52] <ravage> reinstallation
[11:54] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:54] <luna> hey
[12:01] <heller_> heh. how can i install php7.3 without installing apache?
[12:06] <Deano59> no.
[12:07] <ravage> heller_, install php7.3-cli
[12:15] <heller_> thanks
[12:15] <heller_> how can i mark other packages to be automatically removed?
[12:19] <ravage> that is not how that works. thats why it is called automatic
[12:19] <ravage> when packages were not directly installed and have to other dependencies the will be removed
[12:19] <ravage> *no other
[12:20] <ravage> so they are marked for removal automatically when appropriate
[12:25] <Deano59> BluesKaj: no need to swear at me in a PM! :(
[12:26] <lotuspsychje> please leave personal comments out of the support chanel Deano59
[12:26] <Deano59> lotuspsychje: then stop him from greeting the channel. it's off-topic.
[12:26] <lotuspsychje> its not, we discussed that before
[12:26] <ravage> i would say it is polite
[12:26] <BluesKaj> Deano59, have some common courtesy to others ...saying howdy or hello is not offtopic ...stop being so anally pedantic
[12:26] <Deano59> it IS. I asked him nicely to stop and get swore at. :)
[12:27] <Deano59> BluesKaj: this is a support channel. no need to say hello, howdy etc.
[12:27] <BluesKaj> you PM'd mewithout permission
[12:27] <ravage> Deano59, your PMs are actually off topic
[12:28] <Deano59> I give up :)
[12:28] <BluesKaj> good
[12:28] <Deano59> lol
[12:30] <Deano59> why do you greet a support channel? then 10 minutes later leave, it's OFF-TOPIC. simple. stop it. /join #ubuntu-offtopic or something. again, support channels don't need anyone saying howdy unless they have a support question afterwards. god sake. :D
[12:31] <Deano59> you won't hear off me again, unless I need support. bye. :D
[12:31] <BluesKaj> do you have a support question Deano59? if not then you should stop complaining
[12:32] <Deano59> yeah, need support to stop you greeting a support channel when there's no need :) I'm not in the wrong here.
[12:32] <Maik> sigh.... is it that time again?
[12:32] <Deano59> sure, I'll leave then.
[12:32] <Maik> Deano59: complain at the ops instead
[12:33] <giaco> I'm dealing with an hard disk that reports wrong total sector number. It is a 4TB drive but even dd and ddrescue create 2TB images
[12:35] <jochensp> Hi, may systems have a libc6_2.31-0ubuntu9.3 whereas the latest version in focal-updates is 2.31-0ubuntu9.2, looks like the version was downgraded due to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glibc/+bug/1912652/comments/15. Is there no guarantee that version in focal-updates are only incremented?
[12:40] <broyles> question, is there a reason why internet access is needed to ad join in the installer?
[12:41] <ravage> broyles, that whole AD thing is still a little mysterious. it lacks a lot of good documentation so far
[12:42] <ravage> in general i dont see any reason why internet access would be required
[12:42] <broyles> ravage, indeed :( its one of the big features i am excited about in this version, we are looking at moving 60% of our desktops away from Windows, and that really got me excited! :) but noticed in the installer the option is grayed out unless the machine has internet access (by default all machines here are firewalled off for security)
[12:43] <ravage> i did not even find a way to join the AD outside the installer
[12:43] <ravage> i dont recommend using that in prodiction right now
[12:44] <broyles> ravage, looks like i go back to original plan, deployment via pxe, and a package to configure the skel files for new users :)
[12:46] <ravage> good plan. maybe we will see that feature production ready in the next LTS
[12:46] <broyles> yea indeedy!
[13:34] <repz> Is there a way to retrieve parition UUID through lsblk without rebooting after creating the partition (18.04) ?
[13:36] <leftyfb> repz: try partprobe
[13:40] <hggdh>  repz: or 'lsblk -o name,UUID,PTUUID,MOUNTPOINT' # output columns can be selected. See lsblk --help
[13:40] <hggdh> fset
[13:41] <repz> hggdh, thanks but in my casse uuid was `null`
[13:41] <repz> IT was only one host tho and don't having issue with others so its fine, thanks
[13:42] <leftyfb> hggdh: they just created the partition. It needs to be rescanned
[13:42] <hggdh> leftyfb: oh, indeed. Sorry
[15:09] <rangergord> How can I tell what the default sans-serif font is on Ubuntu? Like if an application just sets the font to "sans-serif", how can I tell what this ends up using.
[15:09] <rangergord> Ubuntu 20.04
[15:20] <rangergord> I got my answer in #linux. You can type "fc-match sans-serif" to get the font
[16:09] <StyXman> I'm trying to upgrade kubuntu groovy -> hirsute and I'm getting plasma-desktop (upgrade, 4:5.19.5-0ubuntu1 -> 4:5.21.4-0ubuntu1) depends on plasma-desktop-data [universe] (= 4:5.21.4-0ubuntu1)
[16:10] <StyXman> the versions don't match, and there is no new version of plasma-desktop-data
[16:10] <StyXman> any ideas what to do?
[16:11] <StyXman> then why apt finds it? plasma-desktop-data/hirsute,hirsute 4:5.21.4-0ubuntu1 all [upgradable from: 4:5.19.5-0ubuntu1]
[16:11] <tomreyn> StyXman: you're trying to upgrade it how?
[16:11] <StyXman> tomreyn: aptitude
[16:12] <tomreyn> you're doing a release upgrade using aptitude?
[16:12] <StyXman> yes
[16:12] <StyXman> not good?
[16:13] <tomreyn> release upgrades are done using do-release-upgrade or the QT equiovalent
[16:14] <tomreyn> the approach you're taking hasn't been supported in *ubuntu for the past 10 years or so.
[16:14] <StyXman> yeah, but I want the kind of control aptitude (a dselect before that) gives
[16:14] <StyXman> uuuugh
[16:15] <tomreyn> the debian-like upgrade approach might still work, for the most part, but... see above.
[16:16] <pavlos> giaco: can you paste "sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdX" X being the device ?
[16:18] <jochensp> any comments on my question above (libc6 downgraded in focal-updates)?
[16:20] <tomreyn> jochensp: there are no automatic downgrades. i assume you're misinterpreting the statement you pointed to.
[16:20] <jochensp> tomreyn: well, my apt history says that .3 was in focal-updates and now .2 is in there, so some downgrade happened
[16:21] <tomreyn> jochensp: an earlier package version was restored on the archives, maybe the current version your system(s) already had was removed off archives. this does not make your systems downgrade to the earlier version, unless your systems are misconfigured.
[16:21] <jochensp> tomreyn: sure, I'm not talking about downgrades on my system but in the apt repository
[16:21] <ioria> jochensp, .3 is in -proposed
[16:21] <tomreyn> your systems will, however, upgrade to the newer version that is released next
[16:22] <jochensp> ioria: yeah, I saw that but .3 was in -updates before and now is not anymore meaning a downgrade in the repo which is a bad thing to do from my perspective
[16:22] <jochensp> I'm pretty sure we would not allow that in Debian, for example
[16:23] <tomreyn> again, it's not a "downgrade". a "downgrade" is actively replacing an installed package by an earlier version of the same package.
[16:23] <pavlos> giaco: use gdisk or parted to create a 4TB partition
[16:24] <jochensp> how would you call the switch from .3 to .2 in focal-updates, then?
[16:25] <jochensp> tomreyn: ^
[16:25] <tomreyn> i would call the fact that a file was removed off an archive server a removal, depublishing, or similar.
[16:25] <tomreyn> but this is not really a support question, let's move to #ubuntu-discuss
[16:28] <rfm> StyXman, I checked my hirsute system and plasma-desktop-data 4:5.21.4-0ubuntu1 is there.  Maybe a typo in the sources.list line, or you're using a mirror with a problem?  (still might not work, but maybe you'd get farther..)
[17:32] <giaco> pavlos: it was a faulty sata to usb controller
[17:32] <giaco> connecting same disk straight to sata reported correct disk size
[17:35] <kodiakf> Anyone have the size of the Ubuntu Focal x86_64 mirror handy?  I have a daily mirror of archive.ubuntu.org but for bionic and focal and and I can't suss out how much is Bionic and how much is focal
[17:37] <tomreyn> kodiakf: try asking in #ubuntu-mirrors
[17:37] <shoober420> hi frens
[17:37] <shoober420> im trying to compile sdl2 git master from scratch
[17:37] <shoober420> and need this patch
[17:37] <kodiakf> thanks didn't know that existed
[17:37] <shoober420> https://gitweb.gentoo.org/repo/gentoo.git/tree/media-libs/libsdl2/files/libsdl2-2.0.14-vulkan.patch
[17:38] <shoober420> this patch doesnt apply to sdl2 git master, any ideas why/
[17:39] <tomreyn> shoober420: you may want to ask this in a C programming or libsdl related channel
[17:40] <shoober420> ok ok
[17:58] <Maik> good evening
[19:21] <jkwnki> hi, how can i prevent creating ~/.motd_shown and ~/.sudo_as_admin_successful ?
[19:23] <[VMGuy23]> It just took >5min for ubuntu 21.04 CD to boot to installer
[19:24] <matsaman> [VMGuy23]: probably will only take that long for the install image, not a normally installed system
[19:24] <matsaman> so likely a non-issue altogether
[19:25] <matsaman> the live OS has to work with virtually any hardware & firmware, it's not going to be perfect in all cases
[19:25] <[VMGuy23]> The installer shouldn't be that slow. And also, it's a reinstall. I know how long ubuntu takes to boot.
[19:25] <matsaman> reinstall? Why what happened?
[19:25] <leftyfb> jwheare: you'll be able to configure the location of the sudo file in sudo version 1.9.6 which isn't available in ubuntu yet
[19:25] <sarnold> jkwnki: are you perhaps a zsh user? hunting around github for ~/.motd_shown suggests that's a zsh plugin or function
[19:25] <TJ-> [VMGuy23]: check the installer logs for clues... possible hardware issues
[19:26] <leftyfb> jwheare: https://github.com/sudo-project/sudo/issues/56
[19:26] <[VMGuy23]> TJ-: where and how and what do i loo for
[19:26] <[VMGuy23]> *look
[19:26] <TJ-> [VMGuy23]: did you start the installer using the "Try Ubuntu" option?
[19:26] <sarnold> jkwnki: I think sudoers(5) entry lecture_status_dir may let you move the location of those sudo files
[19:27] <[VMGuy23]> TJ-: It took 5min to get to that screen, and only about 20sec after clicking that to get to desktop
[19:27] <jkwnki> sarnold: no, i have ubuntu on wsl. its running bash
[19:28] <leftyfb> jwheare: I don't seem to have a .motd_shown on any of my machines. Now sure how that one gets ..... bah ... WSL
[19:28] <TJ-> [VMGuy23]: open a terminal and examine "journalctl -b -xe" for indications of faults
[19:28] <jkwnki> but thanks anyway. ill have a look at sudoers(5)
[19:28] <leftyfb> sarnold: not till version 1.9.6 as mentioned above
[19:28] <leftyfb> jkwnki: why do you care with WSL?
[19:28] <sarnold> leftyfb: hmm, really? I'm on 1.8.31-1ubuntu1.2 and it's in my manpage, and I thought it'd been there since forever
[19:29] <jkwnki> leftyfb: wanted to have a linux cdm in win
[19:29] <leftyfb> jkwnki: huh?
[19:29] <jkwnki> s/cdm/cmd
[19:29] <leftyfb> jkwnki: I mean, why do you care if those files get created?
[19:30] <[VMGuy23]> TJ-: "Apr 29 19:28:57 ubuntu kernel: Lockdown: archdetect: /dev/mem,kmem,port is restricted; see man kernel_lockdown.7" plenty of times
[19:30] <jkwnki> wanted to get rid of that mess :)
[19:31] <jkwnki> i dont see the purpose of these files inside ~
[19:32] <sarnold> jkwnki: I haven't got a clue what creates that motd_shown message, so it's hard to say what exactly is creating it and why, but it probably means you won't see the motd every single time you ssh in or create a new terminal or something like that
[19:33] <sarnold> jkwnki: the sudo one prevents you from getting the lecture every single time you run sudo
[19:37] <jkwnki> thank you sarnold
[19:51] <TJ-> sarnold: jkwnki  pam_motd.so
[19:55] <tzanolo> good evening
[19:55] <tzanolo> does could anyone help me:
[19:55] <sarnold> TJ-: that was my first thought but I couldn't find it in the sources, using either rg motd_shown on my unpacked archives of all our pam packages, nor on debian code searc
[19:56] <sarnold> TJ-: the cloests I found there was an environment variable
[19:56] <tzanolo> Why sudo do-release-upgrade
[19:56] <tzanolo>  doesnt show the new distro?
[19:56] <TJ-> sarnold: presumably an alternative due to WSL ?
[19:57] <TJ-> tzanolo: it's being held back for now (phased is the term)
[19:57] <tzanolo> ok thank you so much.
[19:57] <TJ-> tzanolo: there was a post about in it the ubuntu-devel mailing list
[19:58] <sarnold> tzafrir: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2021-April/041448.html
[20:00] <[VMGuy23]> After reinstalling Ubuntu, I have graphics drivers!
[20:00] <[VMGuy23]> Working!
[20:01] <matsaman> neato, gj
[20:02] <[VMGuy23]> And I have 21.04!
[20:03] <leftyfb> [VMGuy23]: make sure you upgrade in 9 months
[20:04] <[VMGuy23]> Yep, always do
[20:04] <[VMGuy23]> I wait patiently for the day in which the next version is released always
[20:31] <[VMGuy23]> quick, how do I do something with base64 (encrypt) and also decrypt, in my case a bash command
[20:31] <calamari> I have a PPA added that I'm not sure I still need. Is there a command (or series of commands) I can use to list all installed packages from a specific repository?
[20:32] <[VMGuy23]> Not sure
[20:32] <calamari> [VMGuy23]: man base64 should help
[20:32] <[VMGuy23]> Thanks
[20:33] <calamari> [VMGuy23]: np, another option: base64 --help
[20:34] <matsaman> [VMGuy23]: should work properly via stdin by default, but need -d for decode
[20:34] <matsaman> not actually really encryption
[20:35] <[VMGuy23]> Yeah I know, its more hiding a command
[20:35] <[VMGuy23]> With mpv installed, try this: "echo bXB2IGh0dHBzOi8vd3d3LnlvdXR1YmUuY29tL3dhdGNoP3Y9ZFF3NHc5V2dYY1EK | base64 -d | bash"
[20:36] <calamari> (found an answer to my question) https://askubuntu.com/questions/342434/find-what-packages-are-installed-from-a-repository
[20:37] <sarnold> calamari: oh sweet, thanks
[20:37] <sarnold> I couldn't find anything that looked close, hehe
[20:41] <[VMGuy23]> I'm on 21.04 and legacy titlebars are using Ambience theme
[20:42] <[VMGuy23]> Why
[21:13] <Aavar> I am used to using cinnamon, but I would like to try out wayland. What de should I install?
[21:14] <leftyfb> Aavar: does cinnamon not support wayland?
[21:15] <Aavar> leftyfb: Does it? I tought not... *checking*
[21:15] <leftyfb> Aavar: I was asking the question. I don't know
[21:16] <Aavar> leftyfb: It does not :(
[21:18] <Aavar> It should be noted that I am using a low end machine.
[21:18] <leftyfb> Aavar: maybe try Ubuntu Mate
[21:19] <Aavar> leftyfb: Mate does not support wayland...
[21:19] <Aavar> Maybe I should test Plasma...
[21:20] <leftyfb> Aavar: you know you can just disable wayland and go back to xorg right?
[21:21] <Aavar> leftyfb: I am using xorg (cinnamon), but I would like to try Wayland :)
[21:21] <leftyfb> Aavar: it sounds like maybe your hardware limitations that might not be a good option
[21:22] <Aavar> leftyfb: I was under the impression that wayland is more efficient than xorg (I am on Intel with Intel graphics)?
[21:55] <shoober420> hi frens
[21:56] <shoober420> if i want a program to use my system libs, instead of the bundled libs
[21:56] <shoober420> what is the best method, LD_PRELOAD?
[21:58] <ravage> LD_LIBRARY_PATH
[21:58] <ravage> Change the priority
[21:59] <shoober420> like how
[21:59] <shoober420> so like LD_LIBRARY_PATH=foo/foo/foo
[21:59] <shoober420> if theres multiple, would i use a ; and put a space right?
[21:59] <ravage> Looks what's it says now and add your lib path st first place. I think paths are separated by :
[22:00] <shoober420> oooh its a : ok
[22:00] <sarnold> shoober420: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rpath .. has a link near the bottom to https://packages.debian.org/stable/chrpath and https://github.com/NixOS/patchelf -- probably one of these can do it by modifying the binary rather than environment variables, assuming I understood your question correctly
[22:02] <ravage> If he just wants his on version of a library LD_LIBRARY_PATH is just fine. No need to preload or patch anything
[22:02] <shoober420> why is LD_LIBRARY_PATH prefered over LD_PRELOAD?
[22:02] <ravage> *own
[22:02] <ravage> Because you don't want to preload anything
[22:04] <ravage> With preload you usually hook into an existing binary
[22:05] <shoober420> ravage: i see i see
[22:05] <shoober420> its like sdl2 would become its own program in a way right?
[22:05] <shoober420> its like a bad hack
[22:06] <ravage> the preloaded lib replaces calls in the original lib
[22:07] <ravage> It is always kind of a hack yes
[22:10] <shoober420> ok i think i get it now
[22:26] <badfilms> I'm trying to update the firmware of the Intel AX200, since it has a known issue with bluetooth dropping, but fwupdate isn't an option since I cannot do EFI capsule updates, and if I copy firmware files from the linux-firmware git repo and run update-initramfs, I am still stuck on the old firmware. What do I need to do to get this to work?
[22:27] <badfilms> *new firmware for the AX200 was pushed to the git repo on the 26th of April which, according to Arch forums, fixes the issue I mention
[22:27] <ravage> Firmware is usual loaded from /lib/firmware
[22:28] <ravage> No need to put it the initramfs
[22:28] <badfilms> Copying to /lib/firmware has no effect (in particular, /lib/firmware/intel/ibt-20*)
[22:29] <ravage> If you overwrite the it should
[22:29] <ravage> There is no other file to use
[22:29] <jeremy31> badfilms: firmware files won't help the bluetooth
[22:29] <ravage> Also dmesg should show you which file was loaded during bootup
[22:29] <badfilms> dmesg | grep Bluetooth shows the build for week 7. the newest firmware is week 15
[22:30] <ravage> i dont really know your chipset there. my dmesg says
[22:30] <ravage> [   16.815475] Bluetooth: hci0: RTL: loading rtl_bt/rtl8761b_fw.bin
[22:30] <ravage> [   16.817701] Bluetooth: hci0: RTL: loading rtl_bt/rtl8761b_config.bin
[22:30] <ravage> as an example
[22:31] <badfilms> [   20.536227] Bluetooth: hci0: Firmware revision 0.0 build 121 week 7 2021[   20.785456] Bluetooth: hci0: MSFT filter_enable is already on
[22:32] <ravage> if it does not use any external firmware you may just have to update it in your kernel
[22:32] <badfilms> modinfo btintel shows ibt-11* and ibt-12* firmware files, but so i am wondering if it is compiled into kernel
[22:33] <jeremy31> badfilms: you would have to look at upstream linux-firmware to see if there are any updates
[22:33] <ravage> you can try to get the driver from intel
[22:33] <badfilms> jeremy31: I currently have upstream linux-firmware. What specific updates are you referencing?
[22:34] <jeremy31> badfilms: if you already cloned the upstream, I don't think Intel offers anything for linux bluetooth on their website
[22:35] <ravage> they do. but it always ends up in the upstream kernel
[22:35] <ravage> they do offer the releases as a seperate download and have a git repo
[22:35] <jeremy31> ravage: the firmware is not part of the kernel
[22:36] <ravage> im pretty sure it is free for that chipset
[22:36] <badfilms> I am running 5.12.0+ that was built as recently as today, but I have all the bt* drivers set as modules... so perhaps I just need to compile the kernel without any bt modules?
[22:37] <jeremy31> badfilms: have your tried changing the bt_coex parameter of the iwlwifi module?
[22:37] <badfilms> jeremy31: I have not
[22:38] <jeremy31> badfilms: this will disconnect wifi but try> sudo modprobe -r iwlwifi && sleep 5 && sudo modprobe iwlwifi bt_coex_active=N
[22:38] <ravage> oh ok. it is not free. but the latest firmware they have is from 2019
[22:38] <ravage> so i wonder if the firmware is really your problem
[22:39] <jeremy31> A lot of 2.4GHz wifi access points will cause issues with bluetooth
[22:40] <badfilms> jeremy31: What am I looking for after that?
[22:40] <jeremy31> badfilms: see if bluetooth works better after
[22:40] <ravage> or if you can disable 2.4ghz wifi
[22:41] <ravage> its like IPv4. legacy but sometimes still needed
[22:41] <badfilms> Oh I see. It will take some time for me to check. The exact problem is that bluetooth audio cuts out for ~5-10 seconds, disconnects, and reconnects immediately.
[22:42] <badfilms> But it doesn't have obvious intervals. Sometimes it won't happen for an hour. Other times it will hapen multiple times an hour.
[22:43] <jeremy31> badfilms: It might be related to wifi power management too
[22:44] <badfilms> This problem seems to be isolated to bluetooth audio--at least that I can see. The probably began when my distribution did an update to the linux-firmware package on April 6th, which was I believe the firmware released to upstream in mid February
[22:45] <badfilms> FWIW, I have not looked into the possibility of it being related to WIFI because I am on a desktop which is wired connected, though WIFI is only disabled at the OS level.
[22:48] <ravage> every active device at 2.4ghz can cause trouble. does not have to be your laptop
[22:48] <ravage> or desktop
[22:48] <badfilms> Just to clarify, do you mean that every device near me, regardless of whether or not it is connected to my system, can cause issues?
[22:48] <ravage> even just operating your access point
[22:49] <ravage> yes
[22:49] <ravage> they just use very similar frequencies
[22:50] <ravage> some devices or APs handle that coexistence better than others
[22:51] <ravage> 5ghz has its own problems like radar or PowerLAN
[22:52] <ravage> more radar i think. powerlan has problems with your DSL signal sometimes
[22:52] <badfilms> The only real discussion I have found on this particular issue is on the Arch forums, but people seem to be reporting that downgrading firmware or, more recently, upgrading to the new firmware pushed to upstream on the 26th fixes the issue
[22:52] <badfilms> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=263040
[22:56] <badfilms> which is why I have been trying that approach. This system is relatively new (built in November 2020) but I haven't had any issues until the distro upgrade of linux-firmware on April 6th. I guess I could attempt a downgrade via apt, but I'd like to be able to fix this, or similar problems, in the future by using the git upstream. I just don't know why I can't get it to load the firmware I am
[22:56] <badfilms> copying into /lib/firmware
[23:05] <ravage> are you sure you replace the right files?
[23:06] <ravage> maybe just rename them. after a reboot your BT should fail. then you know it tries to load your files
[23:07] <badfilms> according to linux-firmware.git, the files updated regarding the AX200 were ibt-20*.sfi. however, I just realized that I have not done a cold boot since copying the entire contents of the upstream linux-firmware, via ./copy-firmware.sh /lib/firmware, so I am going to do that and cross my fingers.
[23:07] <ravage> it says in that post that a normal reboot is not enough
[23:08] <badfilms> Yep. I'm hoping that is my mistake. I did cold boots after copying *just* the ibt-20* files, but I haven't done one since I did a complete copy


[02:13] <mate|6141> everyone asleep ?
[02:15] <mate|6141> Guess so, bye bye.
[08:10] <danteDevil89> Buongiorno a tutti! ho un paio di problemi con la mia distro di Mate per rpi3! è questo il canale per chiedere assistenza oppure c'è un canale dedicato?
[08:20] <diogenes_> !it
[08:29] <danteDevil89> Thanks!
[09:14] <onio> Hi I am  problem seeing the log-in screen prompt on external monitor
[09:15] <onio> I can type my password even though I can't see the prompt window and it works but it would be good to see what is being typed into
[10:39] <mate|39704> Salve a tutti, volevo chiedere un aiuto. Quando apro il terminale mate e do un comando,
[10:39] <mate|39704> al momento di inserire la password non mi fa scrivere
[10:40] <mate|39704> ho provato in ogni modo ma non iresco
[10:46] <diogenes_> !it
[13:11] <mate|52538> well people. what crapola OS is this? booting on a 3 yo desktop goes to a frozen desktop, can't install
[13:46] <mate|76189> Whats the best IRC client?
[13:46] <mate|76189> WeeChat?
[13:47] <diogenes_> mate|76189, for me, hexchat
[13:47] <mate|76189> how comes?
[13:47] <diogenes_> how comes what?
[13:47] <mate|76189> what makes you prefer hex?
[13:48] <diogenes_> well it has all the options that I need, I have tried koversation afaik and some others but hexchat suits me better.
[13:48] <mate|76189> ahhh cool
[13:48] <mate|76189> making the jump from windows/mac to linux fully now
[13:48] <mate|76189> finally
[13:49] <diogenes_> congrat
[13:49] <mate|76189> lmao, thanks.
[14:32] <mate|79400> Hello, I wanted to pass on an issue that my system is having after I update/upgrade the system on a fresh install. I think wayland is the cause. Sys specs are Asus 1005HA, 2 gig ram, Ubuntu mate(and other distros) latest version of 17 & 16.  After update/upgrade and rebooting, the screen becomes garbled on the left side and there is a part of the u
[14:32] <mate|79400> buntu screen on the right side, but it is not usable,  no way to get a terminal.  So reverting to xorg is problematic.  right now I am using a fresh install with no update/upgrade.
[14:46] <mate|79400> I'd appreciate it if someone could pass this on to the wayland dev team.
[17:39] <server1> hi
[17:40] <server1> just installed ubuntu mate and it won't do updates because it says the disc is full. I am running on a 32gb sd card
[17:55] <ali1234> server1: you need to resize root partition
[18:56] <facefack> Hi I have an issue!
[18:58] <facefack> It has been working fine, but for some reason the screen res dropped to 600x400, 'unknown monitor', can't change settings,etc.  Nvidia card- tried the 2 nvidia drivers and the open source one with no difference. Any suggestions?
[18:59] <facefack> there are no broken/missing packages either
[22:21] <ydel> hello
[22:21] <ydel> why does it say directory not found when i do cd VBOX then tab?
[23:18] <santiago_> hola


[00:12] <arand> quidnunc: Aren''t they doing pretty much the same thing?
[00:16] <jtaylor> strange, I synced espeakup via syncpackage today but still not accept mail
[00:17] <jtaylor> its been a couple of hours already
[00:19] <RAOF> jtaylor: Beta freeze is a hard freeze; it'll be sitting in unapproved.
[00:19] <jbicha> jtaylor: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+queue?queue_state=1
[00:19] <jtaylor> :O O forgot about the freeze :/
[00:19] <jtaylor> a its not seeded so no damage done?
[00:20] <ajmitch> just have to be patient :)
[00:20] <RAOF> It's in unapproved; it hasn't hit the archive, so no damage done, even if it were seeded.
[00:36] <quidnunc> arand: I can only build dsc with pbuilder-dist
[00:36] <quidnunc> I think
[09:39] <stefanct> "[qastaging] Launchpad is processing new changes to this branch which will be available in a few minutes. Reload to see the changes." that was 10 hours ago...? :)
[09:39] <tumbleweed> stefanct: -> #launchpad
[09:42] <stefanct> thx
[09:50] <pipedream> tumbleweed: I kinda crashed last night. more or less ready to resume my efforts now
[09:51] <tumbleweed> pipedream: maybe we should move this to #ubuntu-packaging, as it's about a PPA package
[09:52]  * ajmitch wishes he had an SSD in his desktop now, upgrading from natty to oneiric is taking awhile
[09:56] <pipedream> tumbleweed: ok
[10:38] <geser> dholbach: thanks for sponsoring my vim merge. So the changelog shortening I've done is in your opinion ok (dropping 800 lines of debian/changelog delta)? There was a short discussion yesterday if it should be kept
[10:38] <dholbach> geser, personally I think it's alright
[10:38] <dholbach> it has happened before :)
[10:39] <Laney> call it "rebase" instead of "merge" and kill the changelog delta :-)
[10:40]  * ajmitch should finish off this merge & upload it
[10:40] <geser> I tried to find a balance between preserving history (1000 lines) and the size of the real delta (30-40 lines) and dropped entries older than lucid
[10:40] <dholbach> sounds reasonable to me
[10:41] <dholbach> archaeologists should be able to find old changelogs still :)
[10:41] <geser> it's not like LP forgets something (for the main repositories)
[10:41] <ajmitch> though I'm merging a new upstream release of phpldapadmin due to some security issues in the current one :)
[10:43] <micahg> ajmitch: might need an FFe still
[10:43] <ajmitch> micahg: yeah it likely will
[10:43] <ajmitch> http://phpldapadmin.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Release shows a number of new features since 1.2.0
[10:43] <micahg> ajmitch: and thanks, that saves me from doing it :)
[10:44] <ajmitch> micahg: I don't want to deprive you of your fun ;)
[10:44] <micahg> heh, I've got a large bucket of "fun" to choose from :)
[10:44] <debfx> geser: my apt-cacher-ng sync has superseded your upload so you need to upload it again based on 0.7.1-1
[10:47] <micahg> debfx: I'd venture to say, depending on who uploaded whoever uploaded the package second is responsible (don't know if there's a way to tell at this point)
[10:47] <geser> will do, my change just quietens the logrotate warning from the unknown option
[10:48] <geser> would soyuz allow to upload a version if a newer version is sitting already in the queue?
[10:48] <micahg> yes, it was sitting in unapproved (since we're frozen)
[10:48] <micahg> but whoever's approving the queue should be watching for these things :))
[10:48] <debfx> still lp shouldn't allow accepting both
[10:48] <micahg> sure, it's unapproved
[10:49] <micahg> oh, accepting...
[10:49] <micahg> well, it's accepted, but wouldn't build
[10:50] <debfx> yeah it is accepted but it shouldn't allow it to be accepted
[10:51] <micahg> well, that doesn't seem like a high priority at this point
[10:51] <ajmitch> Laney: what do you need from me for this FFe fun? :)
[10:51] <Laney> money
[10:51]  * ajmitch has 10c around here somewherew
[10:51] <ajmitch> I can post it to you, should arrive in a couple of months
[10:51] <Laney> £ please
[10:52] <ajmitch> closest I have is euros, sorry :(
[10:52] <Laney> play money :(
[10:52] <Laney> usual stuff
[10:52] <Laney> how major is the update? any rdeps?
[10:53] <ajmitch> closest to an rdep is a Suggests from samba4, the update looks to be about 85% bugfixes
[10:54] <Laney> smoke testing would be nice, otherwise bug with rationale
[10:55] <Laney> build/install logs probably wouldn't be that interesting ...
[10:55] <ajmitch> it's a php app, so build logs should be boring
[10:55] <nigelb> Laney: can we gift you the metric system instead? :D
[10:55] <ajmitch> the main rationale is OMG security holes (it's php...)
[10:56] <tumbleweed> so, it'll still have security holes :)
[10:56] <ajmitch> yup
[10:56] <tumbleweed> maybe even bigger ones, if php itself is anything to go by :P
[10:56] <ajmitch> 2+2=4, except when running php? :)
[10:56] <nigelb> haha
[10:57]  * Laney measures nigelb in links, then runs several furlongs away
[10:57]  * nigelb goes to find a converter.
[10:59] <Laney> 1/25 of a rod
[11:00] <nigelb> ...
[11:00] <Laney> 1/100 of a chain?
[11:02] <ajmitch> Laney: bug 941855, want u-release subscribed?
[11:03] <Laney> did it
[11:03] <Laney> do you have any ability to test?
[11:04] <ajmitch> limited, I don't have an ldap server up & running
[11:04] <Laney> k
[11:04]  * Laney sticks a cherry on top
[11:05]  * ajmitch is just trying to look at some of the big bad bugs on the rc bugs page, though tumbleweed & micahg seem to have got most :)
[11:05] <nigelb> phpldapadmin *shudder*
[11:06] <ajmitch> nigelb: I know...
[11:06] <nigelb> I spent 2 weeks playing with it :)
[11:06] <ajmitch> it's like giving a teenager the keys to an expensive car & hoping that they don't crash it ;)
[11:06] <tumbleweed> ajmitch: I'm sure there are lots of worthwile things there, still
[11:06] <nigelb> ajmitch: wow, exactly!
[11:07] <tumbleweed> the automated lucid->precise upgrade tests are main-only, right? It'd be nice to run some on universe packages. But I doubt we'd have the manpower to deal with them...
[11:08] <micahg> tumbleweed: stgraber is running upgrade tests on the flavors
[11:08] <tumbleweed> right, but nothing approaching debian's piuparts upgrade tests of the whole archive
[11:09] <tumbleweed> (a few issues in rcbugs were squeeze->wheezy ugprades, which applied to lucid->precise)
[11:11]  * ajmitch thinks having universe upgrades tested is probably almost as important
[11:12] <tumbleweed> I agree, they are important bugs for our users
[11:13] <tumbleweed> Ubuntu has a reputation of not upgrading cleanly, and only part of that comes from crazy PPAs :P
[11:14] <micahg> I fixed a release upgrade bug in lucid at the last UDS :)
[11:15] <tumbleweed> unfortunatly, they are a pain to test, becasue of the debconf upgrade problem (that's worked around in update-manager)
[11:23] <ajmitch> Laney: ta for the ffe approval, uploading now
[11:33] <Laney> ye beauty
[12:55] <hakermania> Hello :) May I be told when is the last timeline (which 'freeze') in which ubuntu can accept backports(new version of program already in the repos). I have thhe realease schedule link but setill not sure. Thanks :)
[12:56] <tumbleweed> hakermania: the last time for FFes to be processed is unseeded universe final freeze https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule
[12:57] <tumbleweed> and the -backports for new packages process doesn't appear to be usable yet
[13:07] <hakermania> tumbleweed, so, what do you suggest for having a ready backport?
[13:18] <tumbleweed> go with an FFe ifyo want a newer version in precise, and please try and do it before beta 2
[13:50] <geser> jtaylor: do you plan to get your planner FTBFS fix directly into Ubuntu or wait some more on a new upload?
[18:08] <jtaylor> geser: probably makes sense to fix planenr directly, the new upload will likely include new features
[18:08] <jtaylor> I'll do that later
[20:24] <AnAnt> Hello, is universe/multiverse also freezed ?
[20:24] <broder> AnAnt: universe and multiverse are subject to feature freeze
[20:25] <broder> due to lp limitations, uploads also get held for beta freeze, but if the package isn't on any beta products (cds, etc.), then they basically get instantly approved
[20:25] <broder> (so effectively not beta-frozen)
[20:26] <AnAnt> broder: so, I can sync packages that aren't on CDs ?
[20:26] <broder> AnAnt: yes
[20:26] <AnAnt> ok
[20:26] <broder> AnAnt: note that https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BetaFreeze only mentions main and restricted
[20:27] <AnAnt> ok
[20:29] <micahg> AnAnt: the archive is frozen, but sources that don't affect images are usually waved through
[20:29] <micahg> that wiki page needs updating
[20:30] <broder> micahg: i thought non-imaged packages were actually an automatic accept and not just "usually"
[20:30] <micahg> it still requires a human
[20:31] <broder> right, but as automatic as anything done by a human can be
[20:31] <micahg> and if someone uploaded some crazy universe package that took 2 days to build, it might not go through
[20:31] <AnAnt> ok
[21:04] <broder> fyi, for people who are doing the stripe ctf, they're planning to shut it down on wednesday
[21:05] <tumbleweed> so soon?
[21:05] <tumbleweed> broder: have you finished yet?
[21:05] <broder> no :-/
[21:05] <broder> but i haven't put more than about 5 minutes of serious effort into it
[21:06] <broder> i know conceptually what i want to try and do, but haven't figured out how to do it yet
[21:07] <tumbleweed> :)


[01:32] <chica> ha fresh install
[01:34] <goodtime> now to get the touchscreen working
[01:40] <goodtime> this wine install seems tobe stuck idle
[01:40] <goodtime>  END-USER LICENSE AGREEMENT FOR MICROSOFT SOFTWARE
[01:41] <goodtime> its showing me this and it wont let me out!
[01:42] <goodtime> i think its installing its a fairly large file
[01:52] <goodtime> hmmm
[01:53] <goodtime> its like the install took over my terminal
[01:53] <goodtime> man
[01:53] <BluesKaj> goodtime, wth are you doing ?
[01:53] <goodtime> installing wine
[01:54] <goodtime> or trying to lol
[01:54] <BluesKaj> alright
[01:55] <goodtime> this is stupid
[01:56] <goodtime> im affraid to close it
[01:59] <BluesKaj> what's it doing ...nothing ?
[02:00] <goodtime> yeah it idle
[02:00] <jmichaelx> question: would there possibly be any way to disable ALL KDE popup notification?
[02:00] <goodtime> it's*
[02:00] <goodtime> yes
[02:00] <BluesKaj> popup where ?
[02:01] <jmichaelx> anywhere.... i want all of them gone
[02:01] <BluesKaj> notification?
[02:01] <goodtime> systemsettings jmichaelx
[02:01] <jmichaelx> do you not know what a notification is?
[02:01] <jmichaelx> goodtime: where?
[02:01] <goodtime> i just kill all or most
[02:01] <jmichaelx> goodtime: how? i have found no way to kill all of them
[02:02] <goodtime> theres many in differnt places in system settings jmichaelx
[02:02] <jmichaelx> i know that. as far as i know, there is no way to disable all of them. if there is, i'd like to find out how
[02:02] <goodtime> look in apperance
[02:03] <goodtime> window decorations
[02:03] <jmichaelx> goodtime: i would not be asking here, if that were all that it took]
[02:03] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx, sys settings>notifications> other notifications , checkout the options boxes ther
[02:03] <goodtime> andaffects
[02:03] <goodtime> and *affects
[02:04] <goodtime> this might be some server issue
[02:04] <goodtime> idk
[02:04] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: i have combed all through those settings off and on the past several years, and cannot find a way to disable all of them... i could be missing something
[02:05] <jmichaelx> i wish there were a simple way to shut every last one of them off
[02:05] <goodtime> yeah i think this wine install is botched
[02:06] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx, the system tray in the panel has some settings that can be modded , like the "entries list
[02:06] <goodtime> the prob is if i just close it i wont be able to install anything nor will i be able to update
[02:06] <goodtime> that a big prob
[02:07] <goodtime> heh its too late i think anyhow
[02:07] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: i want systray notifications, it is the popups i want to kill
[02:08] <goodtime> yeah it will alway be running in the background now oh god
[02:08] <goodtime> and this is a fresh install lol
[02:09] <BluesKaj> goodtime, if you close the terminal before wine's finished installing then run , sudo dpkg --configure -a in the terminal , then run , sudo apt-get -f install
[02:09] <goodtime> ty BluesKaj
[02:10] <goodtime> dpkg: error: dpkg status database is locked by another process
[02:10] <goodtime> i told you it was a big prob lol
[02:11] <goodtime> anyother ideas
[02:12] <goodtime> now i just hate wine lol
[02:13] <goodtime> and windows even more than ever
[02:14] <goodtime> im affraid if i reboot the same will happen
[02:14] <BluesKaj> close the terminal of course , then open it again, then do , sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[02:14] <goodtime> wow ok
[02:15] <goodtime> ty BluesKaj you the best
[02:16] <BluesKaj> goodtime, I keep a text file of common commands handy for these situations
[02:17] <BluesKaj> anyone using Linux should ...the command line is a great tool
[02:20] <goodtime> its the best
[02:21] <goodtime> good idea ill save the commands and title them
[02:21] <goodtime> ty BluesKaj
[02:22] <BluesKaj> yup , goodtime just use a heading for the particular problem/issue
[02:22] <goodtime> i owe you one BluesKaj
[02:23] <BluesKaj> hehenp goodtime , that's why we're here
[02:24] <BluesKaj> <--old lab guy , expreience is a great teacher
[02:27] <BluesKaj> hey monkeyjuice
[02:28] <monkeyjuice> hey
[05:01] <roasted> Any of you folks using Icon Task Manager? I notice with my received IMs that need attention they're coming up with a red triangle, which is dark and harder to see than the blue triangle I had before. I have no idea what I did that changed the color, but I can't seem to figure it out. Any insight?
[08:03] <nabalzs> Hello everyone! May I ask a question? I tried to install Google Chrome on kubuntu (other gtk apps like Imagewriter and Unetbootin), and Qapt appeared, I clicked on install, and it said that it was succesful, but I couldn't find none of the programs I installed (which is gtk). I tried both 12.04 and 12.10. :(
[08:23] <nabalzs> ello everyone! May I ask a question? I tried to install Google Chrome on kubuntu (other gtk apps like Imagewriter and Unetbootin), and Qapt appeared, I clicked on install, and it said that it was succesful, but I couldn't find none of the programs I installed (which is gtk). I tried both 12.04 and 12.10. :( What should I do?
[09:45] <Fuzzy_Wuzzy> Hi! I tried both kubuntu 12.04 and 12.10, and I do like the improvements to dolphin and software center, but I also like the... LTS-ness of 12.04. So, why doesn't dolphin and other stuff, in 12.04, get updated to the new versions used by 12.10? And if I update them myself, will I lose out on any of said LTS-ness? I am slightly lost :)
[09:46] <valorie> I think the term you are searching for is backported
[09:47]  * valorie is testing 13.04 betas right now
[09:47] <valorie> if you like 12.10, use it for a month or two, then update to 13.04
[09:47] <valorie> and you'll have the latest and greatest, and stil have stability
[09:48]  * valorie > to bed
[09:48] <Fuzzy_Wuzzy> what if I... just update dolphin?
[09:50] <Fuzzy_Wuzzy> or maybe even the whole KDE desktop, hm hm.. :/
[09:51] <plank> Hi, I have 4 virtual desktops. How can i change layout of widgets on each desktop separately
[10:10] <lordievader> Good morning
[10:11] <Magz> jjojo
[10:11] <plank> hey
[10:12] <lordievader> Hey Magz, plank. How are you two?
[10:12] <plank> can i change layout of widgets on each desktop separately?
[11:04] <Linusnewb> hi all
[11:07] <Drqshine> hi
[11:07] <lordievader> Hey Linusnewb, Drqshine
[11:45] <Linusnewb> hi all
[11:45] <lordievader> Welcome back Linusnewb
[11:45] <Linusnewb> thank you lordievader
[11:48] <Linusnewb> my internet connection doesn't work till 2 days and I have new idea :))
[11:50] <Linusnewb> if I extract from live cd resolv.conf resolvconf folder dhcp folder and dhcp3 folder and also nertworkmanager folder in my system?? make it any overwrite files?
[11:52] <lordievader> Linusnewb: I had someone else in another channel with a similair problem, changing the /etc/resolv.conf/resolv.conf.d/base file or the /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf file fixed the problem for him.
[11:55] <Linusnewb> lordie has he extract the files from cd or reconfigured?
[11:57] <lordievader> Linusnewb: Reconfigured.
[11:59] <lordievader> Linusnewb: If I'm not mistaken, the live-cd points to localhost for dns in the resolv.conf file.
[12:04] <avihay> I'm stunned by how far my distrust of muon goes
[12:48] <Linusnewb> lordievader I'm online thank you
[12:48] <Linusnewb> it has works :D
[12:48] <lordievader> Linusnewb: Yayy :D
[12:53] <Linusnewb> I have extract /etc/dhcpclient folder and /etc/resolvconv folder and /run/resolvconf folder bu first disabled network manager for not owerwriting then reboot and start
[12:55] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:55] <Linusnewb> maybe useful for other people with same probs the scripts in livecd 12.10 works fine without any editing
[12:55] <Linusnewb> hi blueskaj
[12:56] <BluesKaj> hi Linusnewb
[13:00] <BluesKaj> Linusnewb, how's your wifi ?
[13:02] <krabador> hi people, on kubuntu 12.04 installation, when i chose "manual" it don't let me chose partition
[13:04] <BluesKaj> krabador, make sure click on the partition text , not in the space following
[13:06] <Linusnewb> it works yet blueskaj
[13:06] <BluesKaj> Linusnewb, good
[13:11] <xixor> sup
[13:12] <lordievader> Hey xixor
[13:34] <westmi>  Had to install updates today.I schedule them to happen every 2 weeks.so, as usual, adobe wants extra password to update.I grabbed the keyboard, looked at the screen to start typing, and I get a message, saying I did not get to it fast enough,and it will be reported.I instaintly wanted ti kill.
 to kill
[13:35] <westmi> now I got no flash
[13:38] <lordievader> westmi: Since when does flashplugin-installer require an additional password?
[13:43] <westmi> idk how long this has been going on
[13:45] <lordievader> westmi: It was a bit of sarcasm... The package flasplugin-installer should not ask for a password. Do you have some system-policy or something?
[13:45] <westmi> heh
[13:46] <lordievader> westmi: How are you installing/updating anyway?
[13:46] <westmi> I installed kubuntu about 2 months ago, and since then it has asked me every time updates come in, once for the update, then one again for flash
[13:47] <lordievader> Muon?
[13:47] <westmi> I schedule the updates every 2 weeks
[13:49] <westmi> I'm really frustrated.everything worked properly before the update, and since some message says I did not put the password in fast enough, I got no flash.
[13:49] <westmi> this aint right
[13:49] <lordievader> westmi: What ain't right is that the flash updates asks for the password again, what updater are you using?
[13:50] <westmi> kubuntu
[13:50] <westmi> the one that comes with kubuntu
[13:51] <lordievader> westmi: That is the distro, are you using Muon or apt-get or something to update your system?
[13:51] <lordievader> westmi: Gui updater?
[13:51] <westmi> yep
[13:51] <westmi> gui
[13:52] <westmi> the one that is doing the updating....I did not change it...so it has to be the default one?
[13:52] <lordievader> westmi: Hmm, odd. See if apt-get also asks for another password: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade
[13:52] <krabador> can i resize and create partition, on the partition editor during kubuntu installation?
[13:52] <lordievader> krabador: Yes, you can ;)
[13:54] <westmi> yep, it asked for a password again, and then it did it (i assume, cause it looks like it did)
[13:54] <westmi> apt-get update
[13:55] <westmi> I did not do apt get upgrade
[13:56] <clesio> o
[13:56] <lordievader> westmi: It asked once or twice?
[13:56] <westmi> once
[13:57] <lordievader> westmi: That is normal, for the sudo you need a password.
[13:57] <westmi> yep
[13:57] <westmi> doesn't tell me why flash is *&^%$ up
[13:58] <westmi> so how do I re install flash?
[13:58] <lordievader> westmi: No, it doesn't.. strange. Not sure if it will work but you might remove flash and reinstall it again.
[14:00] <lordievader> westmi: It might be simply the flashplugin-installer package, but that might just as well be a meta package.
[14:00] <westmi> well, it is all fishy...I would see a notice to install updates, and I would click on the icon in the bottom bar, to install. It would ask for a pass, I would then provide it.
[14:01] <lordievader> westmi: Again, does it ask once or twice?
[14:01] <westmi> It started downloading, then installing.Then it will ask for my pass again
[14:02] <westmi> and that was when I did not provide it fast enough, and now no flash
[14:02] <lordievader> westmi: So before downloading it asks for your password and before installing?
[14:02] <OerHeks> that is correct, once for downloading, and once for install. typing your pass does depend on time
[14:02] <westmi> it asked for it before downloading, and then again while installing
[14:03] <westmi> not before installing, during the install
[14:04] <westmi> seems to be the adobe update
[14:04] <cojack> some one know any repo that I can update qt up to 4.8.4?
[14:04] <westmi> had a list of updates, because I scheduled the updates to go every 2 weeks
[14:05] <lordievader> OerHeks: Doesn't Muon just issue apt-get upgrade? <- only asks once for the password.
[14:06] <westmi> I'm pretty sure it asked for the password again when it was on the flash updae
[14:06] <westmi> *update
[14:09] <westmi> when I did not provide the pass fast enough, it gave me a silly message that I wan't fast enough, and it would be reported
[14:09] <westmi> *wasn't
[14:11] <OerHeks> never seen that, not fast enough ...\
[14:11] <westmi> me eather
[14:11] <westmi> seems really silly
[14:11] <OerHeks> just re-install, in this time you told us twice, you could have done it
[14:11] <lordievader> Hehehe
[14:11] <westmi> so how do I re install?
[14:12] <OerHeks> muon > select flashplugin installer > reinstall
[14:12] <OerHeks> restart your browser after that
[14:16] <westmi> heh.works now thanks
[14:16] <roasted> hello friends
[14:16] <westmi> going to remember that
[14:16] <ed23467654> hi can somebody help me, my system came with libre office 3, today I tried reinstalling and it reinstalled to 3 again even though version 4 is available now, tried manually downloadind and installinng but that didnt work
[14:16] <roasted> Any of you folks using Icon Task Manager? I notice with my received IMs that need attention they're coming up with a red triangle, which is dark and harder to see than the blue triangle I had before. I have no idea what I did that changed the color, but I can't seem to figure it out. Any insight?
[14:18] <e_t_> ed23467654: LibreOffice 4 is available upstream, but it hasn't been added to the Ubuntu repos yet. Wait for 13.04 and it'll be there. Or you could look for a PPA. If you did the manual install, it's put in a different install path which I don't recall, but it doesn't replace the system-installed version.
[14:20] <Linusnewb> ehm new question what is IPv6?
[14:21] <Linusnewb> :))
[14:21] <e_t_> Linusnewb: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6
[14:23] <Linusnewb> can anyone set dns adresses on networkmanager gui cause I'm still can't...
[14:24] <Linusnewb> IPv6 don't let me choose point for adresses
[14:24] <e_t_> Did you set the method to Automatic (addresses only) ?
[14:25] <Linusnewb> yes
[14:27] <Linusnewb> I mean for example <IP_ADDRESS> but no access to seting points on the gui it seems like this only 8888
[14:27] <lordievader> Linusnewb: Are you using Ipv6? <IP_ADDRESS> is an ipv4 address.
[14:28] <lordievader> Linusnewb: The ipv6 address is: 2001:4860:4860::8888
[14:29] <Linusnewb> oh sorry ok... I have seen that yet thanks
[15:08] <jjeronimo> how do you restart kde wallet ?
[15:08] <jjeronimo> mine is not working
[15:08] <jjeronimo> if I reboot it's fixed
[15:08] <jjeronimo> tired of rebooting
[15:18] <jEhrichs> kquitapp kwalletd
[15:18] <jEhrichs> kwalletd
[15:18] <jEhrichs> could work
[15:40] <jjeronimo> jEhrichs,  thx but it's the same as closing the window
[15:40] <riccardone> Hi all
[15:46] <jjeronimo> jEhrichs, sorry, it works, thanks allot!
[15:46] <jjeronimo> a lot*
[15:51] <Riccardone> !ver
[15:53] <jjeronimo> !ver
[16:42] <roasted> anybody know of a way to make the top screen menubar show up on the top edge even if you have a top justified panel?
[16:56] <BluesKaj> roasted, do you mean the kicker?
[16:58] <BluesKaj> roasted, the kmenu ?
[17:29] <roasted> BluesKaj: no
[17:30] <roasted> BluesKaj: I have KDE laid out like Unity, so I have a panel at the top of the screen. If I use the "top screen menubar" feature, it doesn't go to the very top of the screen because the panel is there.
[17:34] <BluesKaj> roasted, can you add it as a widget in the top panel, try, menubar, in the add widget search
[17:35] <roasted> BluesKaj: I don't think it is a widget. It's a setting within system settings.
[17:35] <roasted> BluesKaj: yeah, just looked - not a widget
[17:35] <BluesKaj> it works in my panel , altho it'son the bottom
[17:35] <roasted> BluesKaj: right
[17:35] <roasted> BluesKaj: move the panel to the top and it won't
[17:36] <BluesKaj> weird
[17:36] <roasted> BluesKaj: it doesn't obey the screen edge vs the panel.
[17:36] <BluesKaj> the panel position shouldn't matter
[17:36] <roasted> it does
[17:36] <roasted> if it's on the top, the top screen menubar doesn't fly
[17:37] <roasted> http://ompldr.org/vaHF4Nw/topmenubar2.png http://ompldr.org/vaHF4Ng/topmenubar1.png
[17:37] <roasted> I have a transparent panel at the top.
[17:37] <BluesKaj> ok ,well ,I'm m not a top panel user, so i haven't encountered the problem
[17:37] <roasted> right
[17:37] <roasted> I get that
[17:37] <roasted> thanks
[17:38] <murthy> hello everyone
[17:38] <roasted> hello
[17:40] <BluesKaj> roasted, what about reseting the screen edges in sys settings> workspace behaviour?
[17:41] <BluesKaj> hi murthy
[17:41] <murthy> BluesKaj: hi, how are you today :)
[17:41] <roasted> BluesKaj: I'm not sure I understand what you're asking, as the screen edges have nothing to do with what I'm having issues with.
[17:41] <BluesKaj> fine murthy
[17:42] <BluesKaj> roasted, are you sure ?
[17:42] <roasted> BluesKaj: uh. yes. I am quite positive.
[17:42] <roasted> unless you know something I don't about screen edges
[17:44] <BluesKaj> roasted,, not really < ijust leave at the upper left default
[17:44] <BluesKaj> leave it
[17:45] <roasted> I changed mine to the upper right, as I use a panel on the left side
[17:54] <ubuntu____> help me
[17:54] <lordievader> What is your problem, ubuntu____?
[17:55] <ubuntu____> very very problems
[17:55] <lordievader> !ask | ubuntu____
[17:56] <ubuntu____> kde and kde sc what
[17:57] <ubuntu____> dsddddddddddddfffffffffffffffrtvvvvvvfee
[17:58] <Evil_Galith> ya qqu'un
[17:58] <ubuntu____> hobilik
[17:58] <ubuntu____> pilikçi teyze
[17:59] <lordievader> ubuntu____: Where are you from? Perhaps there is a support channel in your language.
[17:59] <ubuntu____> kopernikos talatesişfr
[18:00] <ubuntu____> lordievader where are you from
[18:00] <lordievader> !tr | ubuntu____
[18:00] <lordievader> There you go ;)
[18:01] <ubuntu____> not understand
[18:02] <lordievader> ubuntu____: You are from turkey right?
[18:03] <ubuntu____> not turkey africa
[18:03] <DarthFrog> ubuntu____: What is your preferred language?
[18:03] <ubuntu____> frogi
[18:04] <DarthFrog> Is that French?
[18:04] <lordievader> Hmm, the whois on your ip claims turkey.. oh well.
[18:04] <ubuntu____> ip clamims ?
[18:04] <lordievader> ubuntu____: Never mind, can you answer DarthFrog's question?
[18:04] <murthy> ubuntu____: language?
[18:13] <murthy> BluesKaj: i have removed my nvidia card due to the cold boot issues and now because of that high cpu usage when playing videos. My cpu is p4 ht and the internal gpu is intel gma x4500, my cpu is around 50% when playing 1080p videos
[18:13] <murthy> BluesKaj: i think i have installed the necessary drivers
[18:14] <murthy> BluesKaj: am i missing something or its the default cpu usage that we can expect from the internal gpu?
[18:15] <So1aris> Hi, can somebody assist me with an issue I'm having with Thunderbird in Kubuntu? (I'm also in mozilla's thunderbird channel waiting for a respose)
[18:16] <DarthFrog> murthy:  The nvidia card would have provided VDPAU if you were using the proprietary nvidia drivers, which would have off-loaded much of the processing from the CPU to the GPU.   1080p would require quite a bit of processing power without it.
[18:16] <BluesKaj> murthy, in a word , yes , onboard gpus don't have much dedicated memory so the cpu load can become quite high , but 50% is actually quite good for HD video
[18:18] <murthy> DarthFrog:  ya the nvidia card is performing well but i have cold boot issues with it. BluesKaj, thats sad, i think o got fooled by the specs that said it can play 720p, never thought it will be like this
[18:18] <BluesKaj> Nvidia cards have a setting , for taking more of the load than the default setting , maximum performance in the power mizer optiom ,but it doesn't hold on a reboot
[18:19] <murthy> BluesKaj: is there way to make grub reboot automatically to get a warmboot?
[18:19] <So1aris> Does anybody else here use Mozilla Thunderbird?
[18:20] <murthy> So1aris: I don't use thunderbird but i can try to help if you say the problem
[18:21] <BluesKaj> murthy, if by choosing a reboot in the leave dialog , then yes, I guess that's warm boot ..not sure what you mean otherwise
[18:21] <So1aris> murthy: Well, I'm trying to add a second account in thunderbird. The problem is that (and this has only occurred in Kubuntu so far), when I go into my account manager, and press the "Account Actions" button, it should give me options to add an account.
[18:21] <So1aris> But something is wrong. The button seems to be dead
[18:22] <So1aris> I click on it, and it doesn't do anything.
[18:22] <So1aris> I can't find a forum thread online where someone else is having this issue
[18:23] <murthy> BluesKaj: my requirement is , grub should restart the system when it finds its a coold boot
[18:23] <murthy> BluesKaj: *cold
[18:24] <DarthFrog> So1aris:  I run Tbird.  I'll have a look-see.
[18:24] <murthy> BluesKaj: is thunderbird a gtk app?
[18:24] <BluesKaj> So1aris, look in the t-bird , where you email address is located , click on it and you'll see the "create account" option
[18:25] <BluesKaj> just above your inbox
[18:26] <DarthFrog> So1aris:  Edit/Account Settings/Account Actions/Add Mail Account works for me.
[18:26] <BluesKaj> sorry murthy , i really don't understand what you mean , is grub not appearing when boot up ?
[18:26] <So1aris> well, this is interesting... it is working now. the only thing i changed was the app's skin. lol
[18:27] <DarthFrog> murthy:  You're being not clear at all.
[18:28] <So1aris> okay, well it seems to be fine now. if anyone else has this same issue, my guess is that it was probably gtk or something.
[18:28] <murthy> BluesKaj: i want grub to restart my computer when i start my computer for the first time in the morning
[18:28] <DarthFrog> murthy:  You press the Power button and GRUB comes up, right?
[18:28] <murthy> DarthFrog: YA
[18:28] <murthy> oops
[18:28] <DarthFrog> It's  been powered down overnight?
[18:28] <murthy> DarthFrog: ya
[18:29] <murthy> DarthFrog: ya
[18:29] <DarthFrog> How do you want to change this behaviour?
[18:29] <So1aris> I do have another curious question though... do any of you use skype? And if you do, are the notification sounds all screwed up for you?
[18:29] <murthy> DarthFrog: my gpu works only in a warm boot, tell me a solution by using grub
[18:29] <BluesKaj> I think grub must be set to 0 secs timeout
[18:29] <jEhrichs> So1aris: works like a charm here
[18:30] <murthy> BluesKaj: it is
[18:30] <DarthFrog> murthy:  Press CTL-ALT-Del.
[18:30] <murthy> DarthFrog: i want to automate that
[18:30] <BluesKaj> muthy then set it to greater than 0
[18:30] <BluesKaj> murthy,^
[18:31] <DarthFrog> murthy:  How is GRUB supposed to know how it was invoked?
[18:32] <DarthFrog> murthy: If you could automate it, you'd just go into a perpetual cycle of rebooting.
[18:33] <murthy> BluesKaj: the current settings for the grub is it doesn't have the timeout value so it stays till i select the operating system, so since my gpu doesn't work in cool boot, when i start my computer in the morning the screen is balck but the grub is running which i can't see and i just blindly press ctrl+alt+del to restart to get a warm boot and i see the grub
[18:33] <DarthFrog> Kind of like setting your default runlevel to 6. :-)
[18:33] <So1aris> For me, when I hear skype's notifications, it's really distorted for some reason. Any reason this could be?
[18:34] <murthy> DarthFrog: i think i saw somewhere that there is a way linux can provide the cold/warm boot info
[18:34] <BluesKaj> murthy, set this line to the number of secs that grub will appear, GRUB_TIMEOUT=X (number)
[18:34] <DarthFrog> murthy:  Have you checked your BIOS settings for video?
[18:35] <DarthFrog> murthy:  But if you don't boot into Linux, how can it provide the info?
[18:35] <DarthFrog> or is it something flagged at shutdown?
[18:35] <murthy> DarthFrog: ya, BluesKaj, that will be more a headache, since it will boot automatically to the default os after the set timeout
[18:36] <murthy> DarthFrog: sorry, i mean grub has a way to identifying the boot type?
[18:36] <BluesKaj> murthy, ok one question , do you see grub ?
[18:37] <murthy> BluesKaj: ya
[18:37] <murthy> oops
[18:37] <murthy> BluesKaj: wait
[18:37] <murthy> BluesKaj: for the first time?
[18:37] <DarthFrog> murthy: Personally, if it isn't an improper BIOS setting, I wouldn't find having to press CTL-ALT-Del much of a chore.  Mind you, I also only shut off my computer when I'm going out of town. :-)
[18:37] <BluesKaj> ok, I assumed from your questions that grub didn't appear , sorry
[18:37] <murthy> BluesKaj: for the first time, no , after reboot , yes
[18:38] <BluesKaj> then your bios is still set to the pci card that removed, murthy
[18:38] <murthy> DarthFrog: but i dont have a choice, the power suppy here is worst 2 hrs of power cut everyday
[18:39] <murthy> BluesKaj: no it is set to "use internal gpu when no pcie is detected"
[18:39] <DarthFrog> murthy:  Where is here?   And do you mean the power company cuts off power?
[18:39] <murthy> DarthFrog: yep , India
[18:40] <DarthFrog> Seriously not fun!
[18:40] <BluesKaj> yes, that's common in the sub continent, including sri lanka
[18:40] <murthy> DarthFrog: its like going into child birth daily
[18:41] <DarthFrog> That must screw up a lot of folks file systems.
[18:41] <murthy> DarthFrog:  no ups adds to that fun
[18:41] <DarthFrog> I'll bet.
[18:42] <murthy> BluesKaj: its been like this for the past 2 yrs
[18:42] <DarthFrog> Is the power shut-off predictable?
[18:42] <BluesKaj> UPSs are pricey tho
[18:42] <murthy> DarthFrog: ya, scheduled
[18:42] <murthy> BluesKaj: very much priced and lot of duplicates
[18:42] <DarthFrog> BluesKaj:  In murthy's case, it sounds like a necessity.
[18:42] <BluesKaj> yup
[18:43] <murthy> soon ops going to kick us
[18:43] <DarthFrog> Let's take this to off-topic.
[18:44] <BluesKaj> we used them in my lab worplace back in the 80s when the integrators we ran needed to be protected
[18:54] <murthy> So1aris: i just installed thunderbird, checking
[18:56] <progician> hello folks. I'm having a bit of a trouble with a 2 display setup. I have a vga connected monitor and an lg tv on hdmi. time to time when I turn on the tv, the display manager doesn't pick it up
[18:57] <progician> the tv shows no-input, and I have to switch resolution, and back to get it to 1920x1080 in Righ-of layout
[18:57] <So1aris> question: after downloading and putting in vpn credentials in the network manager, how do you start using the vpn itself?
[18:58] <So1aris> oh, nevermind, just found it
[19:01] <progician> I figure this has something to do with the suspend-to-hdd perhaps
[19:03] <murthy> progician: please wait here till someone sees your question and helps you
[19:42] <thechef> I want to upload my contacts to owncloud, so I move them to an owncloud addressbook in KAddressbook - but I don't see my contacts on the web now. I only see the contacts I add manually.
[19:53] <murthy> !new
[19:56] <murthy> thechef: have you tried asking in #kde ?
[19:59] <thechef> murthy: will do so
[20:02] <solaris_> so, I'm running apps in wine, and I want to change the wine window theme. But for some reason, it doesn't seem to work. I'm trying to use the ubuntu Ambience theme in it. It's in the list and I switch to it, but all that happens is it flashes and then stays with the windows theme.
[20:05] <lordievader> solaris_: Perhaps the people over in #winehq know?
[20:05] <murthy> lordievader: me try?
[20:05] <solaris_> ah ok. ill check with them. thanks
[20:05] <murthy> solaris_: me help?
[20:05] <lordievader> murthy: What?
[20:06] <murthy> lordievader: shall i try and help him?
[20:06] <murthy> solaris_: did you change the theme in wine configuration dialog?
[20:06] <lordievader> murthy: Sure go ahead, I know virtually nothing about wine...
[20:06] <solaris_> murthy: yes
[20:07] <murthy> lordievader: thats very good, we have to abandon it and erase it
[20:07] <murthy> solaris_:  you mean in wine configuration -> desktop integration ->  theme?
[20:08] <murthy> lordievader: no more windows stuff
[20:08] <solaris_> murthy: right, that's the one
[20:08] <murthy> solaris_:  you have some themes listed there?
[20:08] <solaris_> i have the ambience theme which I installed there, yes.
[20:09] <murthy> solaris_: let me try myself
[20:09] <murthy> solaris_: how did you install the theme?
[20:09] <solaris_> hold on
[20:09] <solaris_> i just tried it again and it applied this time. (lol! one of those days where something doesn't work until you ask help with it. O.o )
[20:10] <solaris_> ive since restarted my system since the last time i had tried it though so that's probably what it was
[20:11] <murthy> solaris_: it happens for me all the time :) particularly after i call the repair man
[20:11] <solaris_> lol
[20:12] <solaris_> you've still been more help than the other channels. they've all been pretty dead today.
[20:12] <solaris_> nobody active in #thunderbird or #winehq
[20:13] <murthy> solaris_:  here too, people are at coffee break, that's the reason for inactivity ;)
[20:14] <solaris_> ahh, i see
[20:14] <solaris_> btw, i forget how you properly reply back to an individual.
[20:14] <lordievader> It's weekend..
[20:14] <murthy> solaris_: thank you
[20:15] <solaris_> do you just type their name with the : by it or do you use a slash command?
[20:15] <BluesKaj> solaris_, start the first few letters of the ncick then use the tab key to finish
[20:15] <BluesKaj> err nick :)
[20:15] <solaris_> murthy: ahh i see
[20:15] <solaris_> ok cool
[20:16] <murthy> solaris_: you are new to linux?
[20:17] <solaris_> murthy: Not very new. probably lower intermediate skill
[20:18] <solaris_> murthy: im still sitting on ubuntu spins. maybe one day i'll explore off into mint, debian, maybe even build an arch.
[20:20] <murthy> solaris_:  cool, we have an #kubuntu-offtopic channel, come there when you find time and we can get to know us all, more activity there than here :D
[20:20] <solaris_> cool ok :)
[20:55] <ls> merhaba
[23:27] <murthy> me off to bed, good night all
[23:28] <valorie> !nick
[23:29] <valorie> !quiet
[23:29] <valorie> hmmm
[23:34] <ovidiu-florin> hello world :D
[23:34] <ovidiu-florin> please help me with a vote on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/875075
[23:41] <ovidiu-florin> sorry, here's the original bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/848164
[23:56] <raul> hello all


[06:03] <mborzecki> morning
[06:05] <zyga-mbp> o/
[06:05] <mardy> mborzecki, zyga-mbp: hi!
[06:06] <mborzecki> zyga-mbp: mardy: hey
[06:06] <zyga-mbp> hey :-)
[06:06] <mardy> as soon as the shops open, I need to go buy a ventilator, I'm having a hard time contrentrating with this heat
[06:07] <mardy> hopefully they won't be all sold-out already
[06:07] <zyga-mbp> yeah, remote work is not fun during this part of the year
[06:07] <zyga-mbp> I move from one side of the house to the other
[06:07] <zyga-mbp> to be as far as I can from the sun
[06:07] <mardy> yeah, maybe I should also use my laptop instead of the desktop
[06:09] <zyga-mbp> my work cycle ends soon, I will have all the time to pick up spread tasks at the end of the week
[06:34] <mborzecki> mvo: hey
[06:36] <mvo> good morning mborzecki
[06:41]  * mvo hugs mborzecki for 10436
[06:42] <mborzecki> mvo: heh, that was a mixed bag of fun, hope i didn't make some silly mistakes there
[06:46] <mvo> mborzecki: it looks good but it looks also like hard work
[06:47] <mborzecki> mvo: not that hard, more like annoying, guess i'm bit used to batteries included standard libraries by now
[06:53] <mvo> mborzecki: yeah, that's what I meant, hard in the sense of having to shovel without a shovel
[06:53] <mborzecki> and the stale base snap is passing on cgroup v2 systems now too
[06:54] <mvo> mborzecki: \o/
[06:54] <mborzecki> mvo: more like having an ikea style shovel, piece of metal, a stick and a handle ;)
[06:54] <mvo> mborzecki: heh, yes. and for the non-C work access to a powertools and excavators
[06:55] <mvo> mborzecki: anyway, looking good so far I will nitpick a bit around but just to show that I actually looked at it not because I found anyting deep ;)
[06:59] <zyga-mbp> hey mvo
[07:03] <mvo> hey zyga-mbp
[07:12] <pstolowski> morning
[07:14] <zyga-mbp> :-)
[07:26] <mvo> good morning pstolowski
[07:38] <pstolowski> mborzecki: do you have a moment for https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10433 ?
[08:11] <mborzecki> pstolowski: sure, let me take a look
[08:11] <pstolowski> thx
[09:10] <pedronis> mborzecki: could you make sense of the last bit of discussion we had? I was probably conflating chains and key objects
[09:10] <mborzecki> pedronis: quick sync?
[09:11] <pedronis> mborzecki: yea
[09:11] <mborzecki> pedronis: i'm in the standup HO
[09:17] <pstolowski> pedronis: i've pushed updates to #7700, however this PR is missing tests. also it still uses zenity, was the intention to rework notifications in this PR already? i'd opt for followups as this will inflate the diff
[09:28] <pedronis> pstolowski: we probably want some tests, about reworking notifications, we need to think a bit
[09:39] <pstolowski> pedronis: sure, i'm going to work on tests
[10:52] <mardy> when I run the spread tests on the gcloud, why does it always allocates two machines (I see two IP addresses)? Just wondering if I'm wasting more resources than needed.
[11:52] <zyga-mbp> mardy how are you invoking spread?
[11:52] <mborzecki> amurray: which test is it?
[11:52] <zyga-mbp> mardy spread always follows the number of workers
[11:52] <zyga-mbp> but some tests have variants
[11:52] <zyga-mbp> so if you run one test but it has two variants, and you have two workers on the backend, you get two machines
[11:52] <zyga-mbp> I wish spread had --one or something as an option
[11:52] <zyga-mbp> I may add that later
[11:58] <mborzecki> a thunderstorm is coming
[11:59] <mborzecki> mardy: which test is it?
[12:07] <mborzecki> oh and it's raining
[12:15] <zyga-mbp> mborzecki finally :)
[12:15] <zyga-mbp> still +33 here and no rain in sight
[12:22] <mborzecki> zyga-mbp: heh, i'm expecting a power outage any minute now
[12:46] <redflagrun> Just installed OBS-Studio an it seems I can transfer files throw root getting error
[12:46] <mardy> zyga-mbp, mborzecki: and you are both right, indeed it's a test with variants :-)
[12:46] <zyga-mbp> :-)
[12:46] <zyga-mbp> happy to help
[12:47] <zyga-mbp> you can run a test with the variant you want
[12:47] <zyga-mbp> just append :variant-name to the job name
[12:47] <mborzecki> zyga-mbp: hm or was it /<variant> ?
[12:47] <zyga-mbp> I could be wrong, IIRC it was :variant
[12:47] <zyga-mbp> spread prints the name anyway
[12:47] <zyga-mbp> hey cmatsuoka :)
[12:52] <redflagrun> https://imgur.com/a/0w32llc
[12:52] <redflagrun> Please Help :(
[12:57] <zyga-mbp> redflagrun: you cannot copy files to /snap/
[12:58] <sergiusens> redflagrun: snaps are read only, there might be a specific location where you could maybe add plugins
[12:58] <zyga-mbp> redflagrun: check snap info obs-studio
[12:58] <sergiusens> but for that you would need to contact the snap publisher
[12:58] <zyga-mbp> redflagrun: it shows how to install plugins
[12:58] <sergiusens> but zyga-mbp seems to know about it being documented, so just follow his lead :-)
[13:01] <redflagrun> zyga-mbp Could You Send Link
[13:01] <zyga-mbp> redflagrun: you can open a terminal and type the command: snap info obs-studio
[13:02] <zyga-mbp> I believe this is also surfaced on the web somewhere but you can read it on your own machine easily
[13:02] <zyga-mbp> https://snapcraft.io/obs-studio
[13:02] <zyga-mbp> look for "3rd Party Plugins"
[13:08] <redflagrun> zyga-mbp : while transfering the file plugin to obs to the 3rd party location it does not show up on obs
[13:08] <redflagrun> never had this much issues with plugins before
[13:09] <zyga-mbp> did you restart OBS after copying the plugin?
[13:09] <zyga-mbp> I didn't try any plugins myself and I'm not affiliated with the snap
[13:10] <zyga-mbp> I can only relate you to the documentation provided by the snap maintainer
[13:12] <redflagrun> zyga-mbp : Ya Going to Reboot Computer see that helps Also tryied to Restart OBS
[13:13] <zyga-mbp> redflagrun rebooting the system is probably excessive
[13:13] <zyga-mbp> try restarting OBS
[13:28] <mborzecki> mardy: maybe you also want to take a look at https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10436 ?
[14:06] <pstolowski> mvo: do you have a moment for https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10428 ?
[14:06] <mvo> pstolowski: happy to look at this after my current meeting
[14:06] <pstolowski> ty!
[14:29] <zyga-mbp> my laptop is melting
[14:29] <zyga-mbp> bring the rain already
[14:29] <zyga-mbp> 62C when idle, close to 34C ambient
[14:34] <pstolowski> pedronis: i've updated https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10408, i think i got your point. if not, then we'll need to chat
[14:40] <pedronis> pstolowski: thx, I'll look at it early tomorrow
[14:41] <pedronis> mardy: I made suggestions in the group PR
[16:02]  * cachio_ lunch