[00:02] <prasket> I actually just found it, it was Lutris. For latest release they moved from the OpenSuse to `ppa:lutris-team/lutris` Announcement was only on Discord so I missed it. :(
[00:03] <stevehendo34> any one no a good url for setting up lamp mysql and wordpress on 18.04.  I ran into a lot of info that was bad because software pacs are newer.
[00:04] <blackflow> stevehendo34: google for "LAMP Bionic Digital Ocean"
[00:10] <stevehendo34> blackflow Oddly I have a this all instaled digital oceans, but was 1 click. Doing at home on my server was by hand. Seems like I had som problems using there instructions. I have to look and see what versions of software the DS 18.04 is using.
[00:10] <qwebirc95537> HELP
[00:10] <blackflow> stevehendo34: the ones in 18.04
[00:10] <Gerowen> If a person needed flash player in Firefox, should they use "flashplugin-installer", or "browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash"?
[00:11] <blackflow> stevehendo34: btw, the resoults you'd get from that search are articles about doing it your own, not 1-click anything :)
[00:11] <qwebirc95537> Hi! I recently installed ubuntu 18.04
[00:11] <qwebirc95537> But my speaker are not working
[00:11] <CookieM> Gerowen, the former
[00:11] <qwebirc95537> In settings there is only headphones, which by the way are not plugged
[00:12] <Eickmeyer> !sound | qwebirc95537
[00:12] <Gerowen> CookieM: That's what I figured, thanks for verifying, :-)
[00:15] <stevehendo34> blackflow yea I read them seems like I had som problems. Sickeped around google and got it all going. had a lot of trouble phpmyadmin, but got it working. It is not on my droplet.  I probably will add it.
[00:16] <stevehendo34> man can't type today
[00:18] <stevehendo34> thanks I'll look again. Wish I could use ARCH @ DO
[00:18] <qwebirc95537> So I checked the list-sinks
[00:19] <qwebirc95537> And the speakers are listed in there, but as not available
 speakers pluged into your motherboard? Got any bluetooth speakers or headhones to try?
[00:26] <qwebirc95537> yes, the speaker in the motherboard
[00:26] <qwebirc95537> yes headphones work
[00:27] <qwebirc95537> and speakers work also in windows
[00:27] <qwebirc95537> but here they are not even in the settings
[00:28] <qwebirc95537> when i go to the audio settings there are the headphones (which are not connected) but not the speakers
 try   https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Configuring_Sound_on_Linux/Pulse_Audio/Troubleshooting
[00:35] <Dawgs_Are_Barkin> hi
[00:37] <AngelKde> Dowgs_ hi
[00:41] <Dawgs_Are_Barkin> thank you
[00:49] <raidghost>
[00:49] <raidghost> Hei
[00:49] <raidghost>
[00:52] <ledeni> qwebirc95537: install pavucontrol and check output devices
[00:52] <raidghost> iommu (intel) how to set load it and use it as Passthrought?
[01:06] <Brainiack> yo yo yo
[01:06] <Brainiack> sup yall
[01:06] <Brainiack> who mr linux guru im trying to get my linux+ and lpi 1 cert anyone got it
[01:06] <leftyfb> !ot | Brainiack
[01:10] <aqd> what linux+ and lpi 1 cert???
[01:11] <Brainiack> anyone use weechat
[01:11] <leftyfb> aqd: look it up on google. This is a support channel for Ubuntu.
[01:11] <Brainiack> aqd its a cert you can obtain after taking a test
[01:11] <Brainiack> im on Ubuntu
[01:11] <leftyfb> Brainiack: Do you need help installing weechat?
[01:12] <Brainiack> no i need help using it i see 1. 2. 3. 4 on left hand side to the channels im on how do i toggle between them
[01:12] <jcotton> I'm curious how narrow the scope of this channel is
[01:12] <leftyfb> Brainiack: https://weechat.org/doc/
[01:12] <jcotton> like ##windows is strictly about Windows, not the apps you can run on it
[01:12] <leftyfb> jcotton: Ubuntu desktop support.
[01:13] <jcotton> is this one a bit more relaxed?
[01:13] <auk> Brainiack, there's a weechat channel on freenode
[01:13] <leftyfb> ^^^^
[01:13] <Brainiack> cool thanks auk
[01:13] <Brainiack> il want to stay in here tho cause i just installed ubuntu
[01:13] <auk> # /join #weechat
[01:13] <Brainiack> i think its pretty stable compared to the version of ubuntu i ran a decade ago
[01:13] <auk> Brainiack, cool :) i dont use weechat or id try to answer your question
[01:14] <jcotton> ... oh god 9.04 was nearly a decade ago
[01:14]  * jcotton feels old
[01:14] <Brainiack> says i cant talk in weechat
[01:14] <jcotton> is there any way to like, monkeypatch DNS?
[01:14] <jcotton> oh wait duh
[01:14] <jcotton> /etc/hosts
[01:15] <Brainiack> does anyone know how to enable sshd on ubuntu and x11 fowarding
[01:15] <Brainiack> :D
[01:16] <leftyfb> Brainiack: https://linuxize.com/post/how-to-enable-ssh-on-ubuntu-18-04/ # first result on google for "ubuntu 18.04 install ssh server"
[01:16] <Brainiack> ssh daemon
[01:16] <jcotton> they're the same thing
[01:16] <Brainiack> and i tried the directions didnt work
[01:16] <leftyfb> Brainiack: read the link
[01:17] <Brainiack> it does start ssh and i can connect to it on a windows putty ssh client but it wont accept my credentials
[01:17] <Brainiack> for root or any other account
[01:17] <raidghost> leftyfb: any experience with iommu ?
[01:17] <leftyfb> Brainiack: root does not have credentials
[01:17] <jcotton> leftyfb: he said he tried other accounts
[01:17] <Brainiack> i set the password for root account in ubuntu
[01:17] <Brainiack> using passwd
[01:17] <leftyfb> raidghost: that's not a support question.
[01:17] <leftyfb> Brainiack: what version of ubuntu?
[01:18] <raidghost> oKEy then. Thanks
[01:18] <Brainiack> leftyfb its the latest
[01:18] <Brainiack> leftyfb its the latest
[01:19] <Brainiack> 18.04 i think
[01:19] <Brainiack> let me check
[01:19] <leftyfb> Brainiack: lsb_release -sa
[01:19] <leftyfb> Brainiack: 18.04 is not "the latest".
[01:19] <Brainiack> Ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS
[01:19] <Brainiack> 18.04
[01:19] <Brainiack> bionic
[01:19] <Brainiack> y
[01:20] <Brainiack> oh my bad well thats what im running
[01:20] <cryptodan_mobile> Brainiack: sudo apt install openssh-server
[01:20] <leftyfb> Brainiack: ok, what error message do you see in auth.log when you try to ssh in?
[01:20] <leftyfb> Brainiack: how did you install ssh?
[01:22] <Brainiack> leftyfb i was at work when trying to install sshd but it wasnt open ssh
[01:22] <leftyfb> Brainiack: do you currently have access to the machine you're troubleshooting?
[01:22] <Brainiack> it put a config file in etc/ssh/
[01:22] <leftyfb> Brainiack: you're not supposed to put anything in /etc/ssh. The files that are there are all that is needed
[01:23] <leftyfb> Brainiack: do you want help or not?
[01:23] <Brainiack> it had comments in the config file i took off the # to make the comments active
[01:23] <leftyfb> Brainiack: do you currently have access to the machine you're troubleshooting?
[01:23] <Brainiack> yes
[01:23] <leftyfb> Brainiack: how did you install ssh?
[01:23] <Brainiack> let me find the tut i was following
[01:25] <Brainiack> sudo nano /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[01:25] <Brainiack> http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2016/04/enable-ssh-ubuntu-16-04-lts/
[01:25] <Brainiack> i was following this
[01:26] <Brainiack> the machine im working on now is fresh install of ubunutu
[01:26] <leftyfb> Brainiack: ok, what exactly did you change in /etc/ssh/sshd_config?
[01:26] <Brainiack> nothing now its reverted
[01:26] <leftyfb> Brainiack: ok, and did you install ssh?
[01:26] <Brainiack> just now as per the command that was posted
[01:26] <Brainiack>  sudo apt install openssh-server
[01:26] <Brainiack> yes
[01:27] <leftyfb> Brainiack: ok, what error message do you see if /var/log/auth.log when you try to ssh in?   tail -f /var/log/auth.log # watch this as you try to login
[01:27] <Brainiack> ok let me save this so i can run to my windows machine and attempt
[01:27] <leftyfb> Brainiack: you can also just ssh from the same machine to the same machine
[01:28] <Brainiack> tail -f /var/log/auth.log #   <--- like this
[01:28] <leftyfb> don't need the # a the end
[01:30] <Brainiack> ok
[01:30] <Brainiack> it worked
[01:30] <leftyfb> what worked?
[01:30] <Brainiack> bam that was awesome but how do enable x11 fowarding
[01:31] <Brainiack> the ssh session
[01:31] <Brainiack> i logged in
[01:31] <leftyfb> Brainiack: so you didn't actually have a problem?
[01:31] <Brainiack> and it worked
[01:31] <Brainiack> well yes i wasnt using correct ssh server app
[01:31] <leftyfb> Brainiack: why did you think you had a problem? Type your credentials in incorrectly?
[01:31] <leftyfb> Brainiack: what "ssh server app" were you using?
[01:32] <Brainiack> no idea but it wasnt open ssh im gonna have to install open ssh the other app for what ever reason wasnt accepting any of my user credentials
[01:32] <jcotton> how can I see my CPU temps?
[01:32] <Brainiack> i was connecting the the remote host in putty via IP address
[01:32] <Brainiack> does that matter at all
[01:32] <leftyfb> jcotton: sensors
[01:32] <Brainiack> cause right now i used the client to connect to itself using the word localhost
[01:32] <jcotton> leftyfb: uh, is that the package name?
[01:33] <leftyfb> Brainiack: http://laptops.eng.uci.edu/software-installation/using-linux/configure-ubuntu-for-x11-forwarding # first result on google for "ubuntu x11 forwarding"
[01:33] <leftyfb> jcotton: yes
[01:33] <jcotton> oh it's in lm-sensors (wat why)
[01:33] <Brainiack> leftyfb have these google searches been tested because i used google search earlier and was unsuccessful or are these just the first thing your c&p on here
[01:33] <leftyfb> jcotton: oh, sorry. sensors is the binary
[01:34] <jcotton> yeah
[01:34] <jcotton> chilling at 30C
[01:34] <leftyfb> Brainiack: my first question to you is, are you attempting to do X forwarding from your Windows machine?
[01:34] <Brainiack> yes
[01:35] <Brainiack> i want to launch linux apps in windows thru the ssh client
[01:35] <leftyfb> Brainiack: you do know that it won't work correct? Windows does not run an X server
[01:35] <jcotton> you can get one
[01:35] <jcotton> i prefer VcXsrv
[01:35] <leftyfb> Brainiack: you have a LONG way to go before you should even think about taking those certification tests
[01:36] <leftyfb> jcotton: yes, but well beyond the scope of this channel. I has absolutely zero to do with Ubuntu or Linux.
[01:36] <Brainiack> leftyfb everyone has to start some where i have the linux pocket guide essential commands and a few other books
[01:36] <Brainiack> but mainly trial and error
[01:36] <Brainiack> i already hold 4 Comptia certifications
[01:36] <Brainiack> linux+ is comptia cert
[01:37] <Brainiack> i have my heart set on it and plan to study for a year before taking it
[01:38] <Brainiack> i saw a demonstration of someone running linux gui apps on a windows machine with a headless linux machine and putty ssh client with the linux machine running sshd
[01:38] <Brainiack> it worked as far as i could see
[01:38] <Brainiack> the ran nautalus and bam came up in windows looks exactly as it does in linux
[01:38] <Brainiack> they*
[01:39] <leftyfb> Brainiack: they ran a third part Windows compatible X server on Windows. Completely offtopic here
[01:40] <Brainiack> in the demonstrating they just used linux , sshd , windows and putty x11 fowarding
[01:40] <Brainiack> no mention of whatever x server is but i dont know maybe that is so
[01:40] <leftyfb> Brainiack: Windows does not run an X server natively
[01:41] <leftyfb> Brainiack: https://smile.amazon.com/dp/0596007604  This book helped me get started
[01:41] <leftyfb> Brainiack: I suggest getting that or some other book(s) like it to learn the fundamentals on linux and linux distributions and software
[01:42] <Brainiack> i got plenty of linux books will add this one to my collection if it isnt too old
[01:42] <hggdh> Brainiack: you need (as lefty already said) a X server on Windows. Hummingbird, or X from Cygwin, or other offering
[01:43] <Brainiack> maybe if i can post the demonstration on youtube so you can see they dont use x-server at least they dont mention it maybe in fact they are using
[01:43] <Brainiack> maybe they do who knows
[01:44] <Brainiack> i seen windows run cygwin
[01:44] <hggdh> (and the Linux machine will not be quite headless. It will have to have *at least* xterm and some X libraries)
[01:44] <leftyfb> Brainiack: not only will it not be accurate if they insist they're not running an X server, but it's completely offtopic here. Go to ##windows for help with it.
[01:44] <Brainiack> headless just means without monitor and keyboard etc..
[01:44] <hggdh> ^and there is that. Sorry, leftyfb
[01:45] <Dawgs_Are_Barkin> thanks for the book citation, leftyfb
[01:45] <Brainiack> is ther any way to move the left taskbar to the bottom of the screen vs the left in ubuntu
[01:45] <Brainiack> there is an ubuntu question
[01:45] <Brainiack> :D
[01:45] <Brainiack> lol
[01:45] <leftyfb> Brainiack: https://smile.amazon.com/dp/0596007604
[01:45] <leftyfb> ugh
[01:45] <leftyfb> hold on
[01:45] <leftyfb> Brainiack: https://extensions.gnome.org/
[01:46] <leftyfb> Brainiack: search there for some good gnome extensions that will help you modify gnome shell
[01:46] <Brainiack> thanks im gonna trick out my ubuntu thanks leftyfb lots of help
[01:46] <Brainiack> :D
[01:47] <Brainiack> the site says im not running a copy of gnome
[01:47] <Brainiack> or at least not detected
[01:47] <Brainiack> does that matteR?
[01:48] <leftyfb> Brainiack: which browswer?
[01:50] <leftyfb> Brainiack: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GnomeShellIntegrationForChrome/Installation
[01:50] <Brainiack> chrome
[02:07] <tomreyn> Brainiack: do you actually run gnome-shell, which ubuntu version?
[02:18] <oi307266> ola
[02:34] <Mr_Cyclops> Hello, I forgot how to check IRC chat history, what is the URL please? Thanks in advance ...
[02:36] <Bashing-om> Mr_Cyclops: Latest ? : https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/latest/%23ubuntu.txt ,
[02:39] <Mr_Cyclops> Bashing-om, thanks, I was looking for irclogs.ubuntu.com :) but thanks for the latest link too, appreciate it
[02:41] <Bashing-om> Mr_Cyclops: :) http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2019/03/ .
[03:02] <baihui> 好
[03:07] <Hulio> I finally confront with my manager :)
[03:10] <Hulio> is ubuntu safe to browse?
[03:10] <Hulio> Do i need norton antivirus installed?
[03:15] <tomreyn> Hulio: install updates, then it's usually safe. you can add a sandbox if you prefer.
[03:15] <denpark> antivirus only needs to be used when you use unofficial product.
[03:16] <Bashing-om> !virus | Hulio
[03:16] <denpark> if you have retail you have official product.  unless it's counterfeit
[03:16] <denpark> even if it comes from a repo where did it's source come from despite it being in the repo
[03:16] <tomreyn> denpark: a counterfeit virus scanner for linux?
[03:17] <denpark> you can look at the source code and compile it and disassemble the rest of the operating system
[03:17] <denpark> if you know how to code
[03:18] <tomreyn> umm, ok
[03:18] <denpark> a virus manipulates function
[03:19] <denpark> can a outside company sell a virus ?
[03:19] <denpark> no one can get microsoft on the phone no matter who they are
[03:19] <InvertedJesus> Virii are sold for sure
[03:19] <InvertedJesus> BUT
[03:19] <denpark> that used to be similar to redhat who is owned by russia
[03:19] <tomreyn> denpark: please stop, this channel is really only about ubuntu support
[03:19] <denpark> sometimes a firewall has to have entropy for it to be useful -- as theory
[03:19] <InvertedJesus> Linux isn't very suspect to viruses due to its design
[03:19] <tomreyn> you can discuss what anyone can do about viruses in #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:20] <denpark> the reason viruses were created is because all counties want retail products
[03:20] <InvertedJesus> denpark please
[03:20] <InvertedJesus> #ubuntu-offtopic for this
[03:22] <denpark> if there are 4 types of addictive music does it lead to slack ?
[03:22] <denpark> sorry
[03:22] <denpark> they took our jobs
[03:22] <InvertedJesus> wat
[03:22] <InvertedJesus> no
[03:22] <InvertedJesus> Music can't affect jobs or slack
[03:23] <InvertedJesus> But if you want to banter, use ##chat or #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:24] <denpark> you all chown and chmod all the time ?
[03:25] <denpark> is there a chmod that cannot be taken away that is a linux source "tool" ?
[03:25] <denpark> i wonder if coding to those you care about is possible
[03:26] <denpark> heading different places.  example.  original gnu 2 was not restricted by purchase
[03:26] <tomreyn> denpark: do you understand what InvertedJesus and I are telling you?
[03:26] <denpark> you did not signal the reich
[03:27] <InvertedJesus> hwat
[03:27] <InvertedJesus> we don't understand, nor do you
[03:27] <Dawgs_Are_Barkin> the "reich" still exists?
[03:28] <InvertedJesus> the "reich" would result in you getting kicked from certain channels
[03:28] <tomreyn> they're gone, we can get back to ubuntu support now.
[03:28] <InvertedJesus> Good
[03:42] <Grievre> Hi all. A recent update to the kernel in 16.04 LTS broke virtualbox, which going by the bug report people decided to fix by patching the virtualbox package. Only problem is that it also affects parallels for which there's no fix :( I guess my question is where do I file bugs against the kernel for a given release?
[03:45] <Ylany> hello
[03:47] <Ylany> i am having a problem with audio output over Displayport/hdmi on a Lenovo thinkpad L420
[03:48] <Ylany> I am unable to get the audio to go over the hdmi audio
[03:48] <Ylany> I am not sure where to start
[03:49] <Ylany> I am fairly new to linux, as a mac user.  I would appreciate any help I can get
[03:53] <Bashing-om> !sound | Ylany
[03:53] <InvertedJesus> That would be my first thing to do
[03:54] <BUSY> hey chat.  my bluetooth headphones went down and now the bluetooth settings toggles between bluetooth turned off and no bluetooth found.  it's mobo bluetooth that's worked for a long time.  any ideas?
[04:03] <Hulio> what is it meant by sandbox?
[04:03] <Hulio> i heard that term alot in IT
[04:03] <Hulio> so what is sandbox?
[04:03] <aaaa> hello
[04:04] <guiverc> Hulio, this contains some info on sandbox (https://docs.ubuntu.com/core/en/guides/intro/security)  confined restrictive security 'sandbox' ..
[04:05] <Hulio> i google up....this is what it came with: a shallow box or hollow in the ground partly filled with sand for children to play in.
[04:05] <Hulio> a sandbox: a shallow box or hollow in the ground partly filled with sand for children to play in.
[04:05] <Ylany> is anyone here familiar with audio output from displayport to hdmi? i am unable to get my audio output
[04:05] <Hulio> guiverc, i look up google and show: a sandbox = a shallow box or hollow in the ground partly filled with sand for children to play in.
[04:05] <guiverc> if that doesn't help Hulio , a quick search should find other examples..  :)  the children's sandbox is where it comes from; it's supposed to stop an infected-app in sandbox from touching/impacting the host OS
[04:06] <guiverc> like the sandbox is supposed to keep the sand inside itself (stop sand getting everywhere with kids; good luck with that!) - the sandbox is supposed to protect other sandboxes running on the host system & the host itself
[04:07] <Hulio> guiverc, continue googling and found a sandbox =a virtual space in which new or untested software can be run securely.
[04:08] <Ylany> i am new to this type of audio interface.  I have a lenovo thinkpad l420 with displayport and the audio is coming from the laptop, not from the speakers connected to the secondary display.  can anyone help me?
[04:11] <gambl0r3> hi guys, im trying to delete a dir but i'm getting "Read-only file system"
[04:12] <guiverc> gambl0r3, read-only file system (assuming you didn't intentionally mount it that way) usually means there is an issue with the fs; ie. it needs checking (fsck) or was in a unclean state (eg. win10 fast-boot enabled) etc....
[04:12] <aaaa> how to config snap loop
[04:13] <guiverc> Ylany, I can't help (no experience with it sorry), but `pavucontrol` would be the first place I'd look for a solution; if you haven't looked there
[04:14] <Ylany> guiverc:  i am not sure how to use pavucontrol
[04:14] <Ylany> would you be willing to help me?
[04:15] <guiverc> pavucontrol = pulese audio volume control; if you can get it open, I thought it was rather intuitive , opening it to look
[04:16] <Ylany> guiverc: my audio device is not present in pavucontrol
[04:17] <Ylany> guiverc: more precisely, the displayport/hdmi is not present in in pavucontrol
[04:17] <guiverc> Ylany, maybe you should `sudo lshw -C sound | pastebinit`  (list-hardware of class sound, sending output to pastebinit) or confirm it is recognized there
[04:18] <guiverc> I'd hope you could see it in the "output devices" tab.
[04:18] <Bashing-om> gambl0r3: What have you done that the file system has gone into a protection mode ? Does a fsck from a liveDVD/USB have a positive affect ?
[04:19] <guiverc> Ylany, also ensure you have "Show: All Output Devices" too, otherwise you may miss some
[04:19] <Ylany> guiverc: forgive me, I am very new to linux.
[04:20] <Ylany> how do I show all output devices?
[04:20] <guiverc> in the Output Devices tab in pavucontrol, at the bottom I see a "Show:" option, which has a drop-down-select where i've selected "All Output Devices"
[04:21] <guiverc> ps:  my release (& desktop) may different from your release Ylany, so what you see may be slightly different
[04:21] <Ylany> yes, i understand
[04:22] <Ylany> wow there is a large list
[04:22] <Ylany> it is somewhat overwhelming
[04:23] <Ylany> I am on the configuration tab and when I click the profile pulldown, i am presented with a lot of information
[04:24] <gambl0r3> Bashing-om, i did nothing
[04:24] <Ylany> OH! I got it working!!
[04:24] <Ylany> haha! I feel smart
[04:24] <Ylany> lol
[04:24] <guiverc> Ylany, i expected your answer to be in "output devices" tab, but if that didn't help profile is where I would have sent you next..   Well done Ylany :)
[04:25] <gambl0r3> Bashing-om, i'm just trying to delete some old folders
[04:25] <Bashing-om> gambl0r3: Ouch, then the more reason to run a file system check and see what fsck reveals.
[04:25] <Ylany> guiverc: there is such a steep learning curve for AV in linux
[04:25] <Ylany> lol
[04:26] <Ylany> I greatly appreciate you help
[04:27] <guiverc> You're most welcome Ylany :)
[04:27] <gambl0r3> Bashing-om, how do i do that?
[04:27] <gambl0r3> how do i know which partition to run fsck on?
[04:28] <guiverc> gambl0r3, the partition that is read-only may be what I'd start on.
[04:28] <gambl0r3> im new to linux, how do i even check that
[04:28] <Bashing-om> gambl0r3: 1st step is to know what the target is, Show us in a pastebin ' sudo fdisk -lu ' so we can direct where fsck is to operate.
[04:29] <gambl0r3> Bashing-om, https://pastebin.com/XdXgbqwp
[04:32] <Bashing-om> gambl0r3: So we are looking at a system with a single hard drive and with linux installed on the 2nd partition. Next now is to boot up a liveDVD/USB and operate ;)
[04:32] <gambl0r3> why are there 2 partitions?
[04:32] <gambl0r3> is that common?
[04:33] <Bashing-om> gambl0r3: The 1st is the partiton containing the boot code.
[04:33] <gambl0r3> can i just simply run fsck /dev/sda2 on my machine?
[04:33] <gambl0r3> or run 'fsck /dev/sda' directly?
[04:35] <Bashing-om> gambl0r3: Nope .. the file system has to be "not in use" .. what one can do in lieu of a live environment is to run a rudimentary file system check from the grub boot. Will try a simple fix there and advise you if manual intervention is required.
[04:36] <gambl0r3> Bashing-om, ok. also sometimes my computer boots into initrmfs. it happens maybe once a month
[04:36] <gambl0r3> why does it do that?
[04:37] <gambl0r3> and running fsck usually fixes the issue
[04:37] <Bashing-om> gambl0r3: Corrupted fiile system most likely now.
[04:37] <Bashing-om> gambl0r3: And if ya have to do this more than twice, I would suspect a failing drive.
[04:38] <gambl0r3> it's brand new. less than a year old.
[04:38] <gambl0r3> is there some software that can check the health of my sdd?
[04:38] <guiverc> gambl0r3, corrupt file system can occur for many reasons, power off without shutdown, failing device (as Bashing-om said), dropped (if laptop) etc...
[04:38] <gambl0r3> sometimes i had to force shutdown
[04:39] <gambl0r3> that couldve been why
[04:39] <Bashing-om> gambl0r3: Yup .. Forced shut down can cause that .
[04:40] <Bashing-om> !sysrq | gambl0r3
[04:40] <gambl0r3> if initrmfs pops up, is that smething i should be worried about
[04:40] <gambl0r3> Bashing-om, usually my computer is completely frozen and i cant do anything
[04:41] <Bashing-om> gambl0r3: Well, yeah .. means grub has issues finding the kernel ( corruoted file system ??)..
[04:41] <guiverc> gambl0r3, if you need to shutdown; magic sysrq keys can help (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key) which will cause reboot; you can poweroff safely when you see machine reboot.. otherwise you should fsck after forced powerdown  (just to be safe)
[04:41] <qwebirc6037> Howdy, I tried to install ubuntu to my hard drive and when i pulled the USB when prompted, it never hooted correctly, im runnung dban to restart with a clean disk, any tips??
[04:41] <qwebirc6037> booted**
[04:42] <gambl0r3> guiverc, ive tried typing those keys whenever my computer freezes but my keyboard doesnt even respond
[04:42] <guiverc> qwebirc6037, when your Ubuntu on thumb-drive starts & you see something-in-rectangle + person-in-circle I'd suggest hitting a key so you can verify-install-media .. it takes only a short while but saves hours of diagnosis if you have trouble..
[04:43] <qwebirc6037> What key would that be? Im new to linux
[04:43] <guiverc> any key - i use space as easy to find
[04:43] <qwebirc6037> ok
[04:44] <qwebirc6037> Any other tips on what i can do to ensure the boot??
[04:45] <qwebirc6037> should i partition drive space for better managment?
[04:46] <Bashing-om> qwebirc6037: Well, the default is for the installer to install to the 1st hard drive it identifies, There are times that the timing makes that 1sr device seen as the USB device, And guess where the boot code gets installed to ?
[04:48] <Bashing-om> qwebirc6037: usage dtermines how the drive is partitioned. Give it some time to see how you use the system and then take acction - if any.
[04:55] <gambl0re> my computer is stuck on the splash screen after booting into initrmfs and running fsck on my /dev/sda2
[04:57] <Bashing-om> gambl0re: Fow did you set ' sck.mode=force ' ?
[04:57] <guiverc> gambl0re, be patient, fsck (file system check) can take awhile esp. if partition is large, or loads of errors.  I'd suggest giving it plenty of time if running
[04:57] <gambl0re> fsck already completed
[04:57] <gambl0re> then i did a 'reboot'
[04:58] <gambl0re> i just did a force shutdown. i'm currently at the GRUB screen
[05:01] <gambl0re> any ideas guys?
[05:01] <Bashing-om> gambl0re: Then we boot a liveDVD/USB and try and fix from there.
[05:02] <gambl0re> ok. i got live usb running. now what?
[05:02] <gambl0re> Bashing-om, i got liveusb running. what do you want me to do?
[05:03] <Bashing-om> gambl0re: In the liveUSB terminal run ' sudo fsck /dev/sda2 ' . If errors we go deeper.
[05:04] <gambl0re> i ran that already. there were no errors
[05:04] <gambl0re> there were errors i mean but fsck fixed them
[05:04] <gambl0re> now what do you what do you want me to do?
[05:05] <Bashing-om> gambl0re: And rebooted to a grub rescue prompt in the install ?
[05:05] <gambl0re> yes
[05:05] <gambl0re> i dont know what you mean by GRUB rescue but it says GNU GRUB version 2.02 at the top
[05:05] <gambl0re> with 3 options
[05:05] <gambl0re> Ubuntu, Advance options for Ubuntu, System setup
[05:06] <Bashing-om> gambl0re: Well, then one can re-install grub .. but I do not have the experience in a GPT environment to direct you properly.
[05:06] <gambl0re> wow ok
[05:06] <gambl0re> thanks
[05:07] <Bashing-om> gambl0re: "Ubuntu, Advance options for Ubuntu, System setup" I do not recognize the option " System setup ". That in NON-grub.
[05:09] <gambl0re> System Setup just loads the computer's bios
[05:12] <gambl0re> Bashing-om, this is what a Grub bootloader looks like just FYI. https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/grub2-in-ubuntu.jpg
[05:14] <Bashing-om> gambl0re: Ho kay .. and if you hightlight 'ubuntu" and press the enter key - what happens ?
[05:15] <gambl0re> it tries to load ubuntu but then it gets stuck a the logo screen
[05:19] <gambl0re> Bashing-om, make sense?
[05:20] <tomreyn> Bashing-om: os-prober will automatically add "System Setup" on UEFI booting systems
[05:20] <gambl0re> tomreyn, i dont think Bashing-om even understands what GRUB is
[05:20] <Bashing-om> tomreyn: Thanks ! My non-experience shows :)
[05:21] <gambl0re> lol
[05:21] <gambl0re> i was receiving help from a beginner?...
[05:21] <tomreyn> gambl0re: i'm sure Bashing-om knows what grub is
[05:23] <Bashing-om> gambl0re: Google 'Bashing-om' and see if your confidence increaces :)
[05:30] <computerquip> Hi, does anyone know of a repository for 12.04 and/or 16.04 for update gcc/gdb tools?
[05:30] <computerquip> Currently, I'm building them from scratch but was wondering if there's a better way.
[05:31] <tomreyn> Bashing-om: actually this is added by grub itself based on /etc/grub.d/30_uefi-firmware - not os-prober, sorry.
[05:32] <tomreyn> computerquip: only Ubuntu 16.04 LTS is supported here, 12.04 has been unsupported for the past couple years.
[05:32] <tomreyn> computerquip: most ubuntu releases provide co-installable gcc versions as debian packages via apt.
[05:34] <tomreyn> past two years to be precise
[05:34] <tomreyn> !ppa | computerquip
[05:37] <computerquip> Yeah, seems that building the packages myself is the best bet. Guess I'll have to learn the package format for aptitude after all these years.
[05:38] <tomreyn> deb / dpkg, not apt, not aptitude
[05:46] <Gigabitten> hmm, I'm trying to figure out how to execute commands on startup in lubuntu and I'm having difficulty
[05:47] <Gigabitten> I must be misunderstanding
[05:48] <Gigabitten> so far, I've got /etc/rc.local with 777 perms, and no contents except #!/bin/sh -e on the first line and a command I want to run on the second line.
[05:49] <Gigabitten> ./etc/rc.local executes the command just fine.
[05:49] <Gigabitten> erm
[05:49] <Gigabitten> sorry, that syntax is apparently invalid
[05:50] <Gigabitten> cd'ing over to /etc and then doing ./rc.local works fine
[05:50] <tomreyn> 777 on /etc/rc.local is a security issue, you don't want this.
[05:50] <Gigabitten> oh
[05:50] <tomreyn> https://askubuntu.com/questions/159008/how-to-add-startup-applications-in-lubuntu
[05:50] <Gigabitten> I'm the only user, to be clear
[05:52] <Gigabitten> but yeah I guess by all means 700 would also work fine
[05:53] <tomreyn> also, if you're using a supported ubuntu verison, rc.local should be avoided. it won't break anything to use it but it's not the 'systemd way'
[05:53] <Gigabitten> er, alrighty then. I'll keep that in mind. what is the 'systemd way' then?
[05:54] <Gigabitten> autostart?
[05:54] <Gigabitten> it'd seem that lets me select programs to start on startup; but will it work for arbitrary commands?
[05:55] <tomreyn> if you just want applications started within your graphical session for your user, you should prefer the alternatives i pointed ot above
[05:55] <Gigabitten> nah, to be very specific I'm looking to automatically disable my touchpad on startup because the setting changes aren't persisting
[05:56] <tomreyn> if you actually need non X software started for every user logging in / system-wide then you should create a systemd unit / service / trigger etc.
[05:56] <tomreyn> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/471824/what-is-the-correct-substitute-for-rc-local-in-systemd-instead-of-re-creating-rc
[05:56] <Gigabitten> oh christ I understood about a third of that
[05:56] <Gigabitten> reading
[05:57] <tomreyn> to disable the touchpad, the easiest option may be to blacklist its driver / kernel module
[05:58] <Gigabitten> well that may be true
[05:58] <Gigabitten> but also I mean, I think it'd be handy to know how to make commands run on startup, anyway
[05:58] <tomreyn> well, you have all it takes now.
[05:58] <tomreyn> good luck.
[05:58] <Gigabitten> yep, I'll do my best to understand this answer lol
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[06:32] <Gigabitten> you ok root
[06:52] <pragomer> I very often run the command "lsblk" to check disks and partitions. since snaps appear here this list gets much too long. is there a way to prevent them to appear?
[06:53] <pragomer> or: does anybody have an idea for kind of lsblk | egrep "NOTCONTAININGTHEWORDSNAP" ?
[06:56] <rfm> pragomer, is "grep -v snap" what you want?
[06:56] <gnomethrower> rfm: beat me to it ;)
[06:56] <Gigabitten> Having some issues setting this up for reasons I'm not particularly able to discern https://pastebin.com/v9WA4VWv
[07:02] <Gigabitten> Oh, and as a side note I added 700 permission to syncl.service even though I have absolutely no idea if that's necessary
[07:09] <ledeni> try 'ExecStart=./home/username/scripts/syncl.sh'
[07:13] <Gigabitten> ledeni: no difference.
[07:17] <pragomer> this worked perfect: lsblk | grep -iv snap
[07:22] <ledeni> Gigabitten:  did you make script executable  chmod +x syncl.sh
[07:22] <Gigabitten> Of course it's executable. Like the pastebin says, it works fine if I just do ./syncl.sh from its directory.
[07:23] <Gigabitten> I must say, I've grateful to this endeavor for how much it's taught me, but it's really annoying that it's just not working lol
[07:24] <Gigabitten> Gotta afk for a bit. I'll see any response in around an hour.
[07:42] <neure> hi
[07:43] <neure> If I enable wifi hotspot, how do I make clients see each other?
[07:43] <pragomer> where in ubuntu 18.04 (gnome) can I disable automounting of drives?
[08:16] <Gigabitten> ayy figured it out sorta
[09:04] <Raging_Hog> I can't get xcape  to work without annoying delays. How can I try to profile or debug it?
[09:05] <Raging_Hog> https://github.com/alols/xcape "Linux utility to configure modifier keys to act as other keys when pressed and released on their own."
[09:05] <Raging_Hog> I took a sysprof dump and after making the system hang for a minute, xcape was only at 0,16% total. However, xorg deletePassiveGrabFromList was munching a lot of cpu, so I googled it and found that my xorg hangs if I do xmodmap -pke > .Xmodmap; xmodmap .Xmodmap
[09:19] <heller_> emm guys
[09:20] <heller_> WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! dh-python
[09:20] <heller_> trying to run apt upgrade on ubuntu 15
[09:20] <ducasse> Raging_Hog: i don't know if it matters, but xmodmap is said to be deprecated now and no longer guaranteed to produce expected results, you should now use the xkb tools
[09:20] <ducasse> Raging_Hog: aiui
[09:21] <Raging_Hog> ducasse: certainly it matters, thank you for the info!
[09:21] <Ben64> heller_: both 15.04 and 15.10 are long since unsupported
[09:23] <Raging_Hog> ducasse: although I'm not sure if xcape uses xmodmap so it could be a symptom of some other problem
[09:24] <ducasse> Raging_Hog: you can try asking in xorg, they would know and might be able to point you to some good docs for xkb if necessary
[09:24] <ducasse> Raging_Hog: #xorg, i mean
[09:26] <Raging_Hog> ducasse: I've also asked it there already, thanks. These kinds of things are hairy since it's rarely nobody's direct fault, different versions just work in a weird way together
[09:27] <ducasse> Raging_Hog: i'm thinking you might be able to do this with the xkb tools alone, depending on what exactly you want
[09:28] <heller_> Ben64: yes, thats why i'm updating to 16
[09:35] <ducasse> !eolupgrade | heller_ have you seen this?
[09:37] <Raging_Hog> ducasse: Excellent, I'll check xkb stuff out
[09:48] <Assid> can someone suggest a good tool to create a live dvd / with installation option which takes an image of the existing system
[09:48] <Tankburn> just trying to edit /etc/crontab to run a system-wide job everyday to move the entire contents of a certain folder to /dev/null, however the man page seems to refer /etc/cron.d being significant for debian, which one do I use?
[09:49] <Tankburn> does it matter for this type of job?
[09:51] <kszarlej> Hi I migrate from 14.04 to 18.04. I have consul agent on my box that makes health checks using local scripts (consul makes a supervisorctl status | grep RUNNING) to see if process runs. On ubuntu 18.04 consul cannot execute any script (even plain /bin/true) when it runs from consul user started by systemd. When i start it manually from root it works, when systemd runs it with User=root it works as well. But when systemd starts cons
[09:51] <heller_> hmm
[09:52] <kszarlej> manually when I switch to consul user I can execute the script just fine.
[09:52] <kszarlej> the ENVS doesnt seem to be a problem :|
[09:53] <blackflow> Tankburn: the manpage suggests using crontab and leaving cron.d to packages. I'd still use cron.d because modularity > editing-single-files.   That said, what's wrong with `rm` that you have to mv to devnull?
[09:53] <blackflow> Tankburn: in fact these days I'd use systemd timers rather :)
[09:54] <bhuddah> kszarlej: something like apparmor / selinux?
[09:55] <blackflow> kszarlej: can you pastebin the service's unit file?
[09:55] <kszarlej> bhuddah: I tried stopping apparmor and still nothing
[09:55] <blackflow> apparmor doesn't matter here as it would block root user too
[09:56] <kszarlej> blackflow: I use from here https://learn.hashicorp.com/consul/advanced/day-1-operations/deployment-guide#configure-systemd
[09:57] <kszarlej> bhuddah: I disabled apparmor (stopped the service) and it didnt work as well
[09:58] <blackflow> kszarlej: user consul seems to have disabled shell, I'd say that has something to do with it, if consul runs stuff through its shell
[09:58] <Pinchiukas> I've installed Ubuntu with Install-Suggests and Install-Recommends set to "no" and then installed plasma-workspace/plasma-desktop and sddm. And I see that sddm is started but I only see the log of services starting when I boot up.
[09:58] <Pinchiukas> What am I missing?
[09:59] <Tankburn> blackflow: Do I use the command: rm /home/user/folderiwannaempty/*
[09:59] <kszarlej> blackflow: it has /bin/false in passwd set but on ubuntu 14.04 it is deployed the same way
[09:59] <blackflow> kszarlej: try   `chsh -s /bin/bash consul`  , restart the service and see if it works. you can use /bin/sh too instead
[10:00] <kszarlej> blackflow: trying that thanks
[10:02] <blackflow> Tankburn: if that's what you want, ye
[10:03] <gambl0re> im currently booted into live usb, i mounted my partition to /mnt and trying to run command 'chroot /mnt' but im getting error msg: chroot: failed to run command /bin/bash: no such file or directory
[10:03] <blackflow> Tankburn: or rm -r thatfolder    followed by a mkdir  to re-create it   (or use install -d to set ownership, mode, in one atomic op)
[10:03] <kszarlej> blackflow: it works ^.-
[10:03] <blackflow> kszarlej: yup :)
[10:04] <gambl0re> anyone can help me out? thanks
[10:04] <kszarlej> so in 18.04 the shell needs to be set for user so it can start any command? hmm
[10:04] <blackflow> kszarlej: not necessarily. programs can exec other programs without a shell. I suppose consul runs those through a shell
[10:04] <kszarlej> but it is pretty strange that
[10:04] <blackflow> kszarlej: is it the same version as in 14.04?
[10:04] <kszarlej> we use exactly the same consul on 14.04 as on 18.04
[10:05] <kszarlej> version 0.8.0
[10:05] <kszarlej> and it works with /bin/false on ubuntu 14.04
[10:05] <blackflow> well something must be different
[10:07] <blackflow> kszarlej: for starters, 14.04 has no systemd. are you sure the init shellscript doesn't do something different?
[10:07] <kszarlej> checking
[10:07] <blackflow> gambl0re: yes you need to chroot into an environment which has a fully functional shell installed
[10:07] <kszarlej> but then I guess those guys would mention that somehow
[10:07] <kszarlej> in docs
[10:08] <blackflow> gambl0re: effectivelly chroot starts a shell with / set to that directory
[10:08] <gambl0re> blackflow, so what should i do?
[10:08] <blackflow> gambl0re: install an operating system in the directory you want to chroot into.
[10:08] <Guest24396> Hola a tod@s!
[10:09] <blackflow> gambl0re: you need a working OS environment there (without the kernel). the shell, the libc, any other supportive files, binaries, configurations, libs, ...
[10:09] <gambl0re> .. /dev/sda2 has kubuntu installed and is currently mounted on /mnt
[10:09] <blackflow> gambl0re: is there /mnt/bin/bash  ?
[10:10] <gambl0re> yes i can see it
[10:10] <blackflow> gambl0re: oh I see, the no such file is probably about something else. did you prepare teh chroot by mounting in it the procfs, sysfs and devfs?
[10:10] <gambl0re> im running live usb at the moment
[10:11] <gambl0re> blackflow, all i did was 'sudo mount /dev/sda2 /mnt'
[10:11] <blackflow> gambl0re: well you need the pseudo filesystems in the chroot too.    mount -t proc proc /mnt/proc ; mount -R /dev /mnt/dev ; mount -R /sys /mnt/sys       at minimum.
[10:12] <blackflow> gambl0re: and don't forget /boot if it's a separate partition
[10:12] <blackflow> /mnt/boot  thatis
[10:13] <gambl0re> i need to type all those mount commands?
[10:13] <blackflow> gambl0re: well yeah
[10:14] <gambl0re> then i can use chroot?
[10:14] <blackflow> gambl0re: you need to bind your kernel's pseudo filesystems into the chroot. chroot is an isolated environment. it thinks /mnt is root and has no clue about the outside (in general). has no kernel of its own so you have to export kernel APIs in it like that
[10:15] <blackflow> then you can use chroot
[10:15] <gambl0re> ok i ran all the mount commands
[10:15] <gambl0re> except /mnt/boot
[10:16] <blackflow> gambl0re: now `chroot /mnt /bin/bash`
[10:16] <gambl0re> do i just do 'sudo mount /boot /mnt/boot'?
[10:16] <blackflow> gambl0re: no.
[10:16] <gambl0re> do you want me to mount boot?
[10:16] <blackflow> no. I mentioned it IF it was a separate parition
[10:17] <gambl0re> um not sure if it is to be honest
[10:17] <gambl0re> blackflow, im getting the same error message
[10:17] <blackflow> if your /boot is not part of /dev/sda2   then yes, you'll need to mount its partition into the chroot's /boot, if you want to manipulate packages that might touch grub or initramfs or the kernel image
[10:17] <gambl0re> chroot: failed to run command /bin/bash: no such file or directory
[10:18] <blackflow> then you have bigger problems. but these pseudofs are a _must_ in a chroot anyway, so that part is done.
[10:18] <blackflow> try   chroot /mnt /bin/bash -x
[10:18] <gambl0re> no. doesnt work
[10:18] <blackflow> yeah but what does it produce any extra output
[10:19] <gambl0re> basically the issue is, i cant boot into kubuntu. its stuck at the kubuntu logo screen
[10:19] <gambl0re> no extra output. exact same
[10:19] <blackflow> gambl0re: what does   file /mnt/bin/bash    say? you can paste here, it's one line
[10:19] <gambl0re> during bootup i get a wall of text but theres one line that says '/sbin/init no such file or directory'
[10:21] <gambl0re> https://pastebin.com/7D5Y4eQ6
[10:21] <gambl0re> you get what im saying?
[10:23] <kszarlej> blackflow: so I eleminated problems with systemd because when I changed it back to /bin/false and run consul from root shell using sudo -u consul /opt/consul/bin... it also didnt work
[10:23] <blackflow> gambl0re: yeah there's something missing there but it's not obvious what
[10:23] <kszarlej> so it is system wide configuration problem not systemd specific
[10:23] <blackflow> gambl0re: can you pastebin `ldd /mnt/bin/bash` please?
[10:23] <gambl0re> blackflow, ok
[10:23] <gambl0re> ok
[10:24] <blackflow> kszarlej: you're missing -i for that sudo, othewise you don't have a login shell
[10:25] <gambl0re> https://pastebin.com/Mc7a9SnL
[10:30] <blackflow> gambl0re: can you check that each of those files exist, but under /mnt ?     /mnt/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libtinfo.so.5   and others ... ?
[10:30] <blackflow> gambl0re: also pleaase pastebin /mnt/etc/fstab   I have this suspicion that you have additional mountpoints there
[10:31] <gambl0re> blackflow, it seems like we're just gonna keep going deeper into the rabbit hole. ive been troubleshooting this a long time now
[10:31] <gambl0re> i think im just going to reinstall
[10:32] <gambl0re> thanks for your help though
[10:43] <bhuddah> is there a - possibly better - alternative to shellinabox?
[11:07] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[11:30] <Pinchiukas> I've installed Ubuntu with Install-Suggests and Install-Recommends set to "no" and then installed plasma-workspace/plasma-desktop and sddm. And I see that sddm is started but I only see the log of services starting when I boot up. How can I further debug this?
[11:32] <BluesKaj> Pinchiukas, install kubuntu-desktop
[11:34] <Pinchiukas> BluesKaj: I'm trying to make it as small as possible. That's why I've disabled all the suggests/recommends things and why I choose to install the package with the least dependencies.
[11:35] <blackflow> that would imply knowing what you're doing. if you can't troubleshoot, then what's the point breaking your system.
[11:36] <BluesKaj> plasma-desktop needs kubuntu-desktop and vice-versa
[11:36] <EriC^^> Pinchiukas: is it wayland or xorg?
[11:36] <EriC^^> !helpful | blackflow
[11:36] <EriC^^> !behelpful | blackflow
[11:38] <Pinchiukas> EriC^^: seems it's xorg.
[11:38] <Pinchiukas> blackflow: usually I can troubleshoot but I'm stuck on this.
[11:38] <EriC^^> Pinchiukas: look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log and any logs potentially found in /var/log/sddm
[11:39] <EriC^^> Pinchiukas: does "ctrl+alt+f2" work?
[11:39] <Pinchiukas> SDDM log is empty and there is no Xorg log, xorg is not running.
[11:39] <kubkde> Anyone know anything about Intel's Sunrisepoint PCH/GPIO module? I get a lot of denies from it, possibly from SecureBoot + Nvidia?
[11:39] <Pinchiukas> Switching to oter text consoles works, switching to the 7th doesn't.
[11:39] <EriC^^> Pinchiukas: try in a text console typing "DISPLAY=:1 startx" and see what happens
[11:40] <EriC^^> if you have xterm installed use DISPLAY=:1 startx xterm
[11:40] <colecturia>       ASDH
[12:05] <Pinchiukas> EriC^^: it fails as a regular user.
[12:06] <EriC^^> Pinchiukas: what's the error msg?
[12:08] <Pinchiukas> I see the errors begin when /dev/dri/card0 is inaccessible.
[12:09] <EriC^^> Pinchiukas: what does it say in the kernel line? or "cat /proc/cmdline" ?
[12:11] <Pinchiukas> This is a screenshot: https://i.ibb.co/zrZwqc3/image.png
[12:13] <pragmaticenigma> Pinchiukas: Please use imgur or a more well known picture posting site
[12:14] <u0_a293> vaidas@ubuntu:cat /parc/cmdline \BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.15.0-46-generic root=UUDI=b0adc4f8-7fc2-4661-b20d-e585360ffa18 ro
[12:15] <Pinchiukas> imgur failed to take my screenshot for some reason.
[12:16] <u0_a293> sorry i have no idea
[12:16] <pragmaticenigma> Pinchiukas: Unfortunately, you're choice in posting is marked as a porn site. Many of the volunteers here are working professionals and their corporate firewalls will block that
[12:17] <Pinchiukas> haha sorry about that.
[12:17] <Pinchiukas> I figure that SDDM doesn't require xorg in itself, right?
[12:18] <Pinchiukas> As in, even if I didn't have xorg, I should be able to see SDDM.
[12:18] <rory> imgur mirror http://i.imgur.com/65USQ99.jpg
[12:18] <pragmaticenigma> Pinchiukas: sddm requires x11, it is a dependency
[12:19] <pragmaticenigma> Pinchiukas: https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/sddm
[12:19] <Pinchiukas> Oh, ok. I think I just noticed that xorg wasn't running at the time I was being presented with the SDDM prompt.
[12:19] <Pinchiukas> So that's why I wasn't sure it can be a xorg problem.
[12:20] <pragmaticenigma> Pinchiukas: I'm not sure how you accomplised that
[12:20] <Pinchiukas> I have another VM running kubuntu.
[12:21] <Pinchiukas> Yep, I lied about that too. It's actually running xorg as a child of SDDM. Sorry about that.
[12:21] <Pinchiukas> What's confusing is that neither the SDDM log, neither journalctl show me any errors. Nor there's a relevant xorg log.
[12:23] <pragmaticenigma> Pinchiukas: based on what I'm seeing in the logs of this chat. KDE and Gnome are both two of the largest Desktop Environments. If you want a smaller foot print, and would like a KDE like experience. You may want to consider Lubuntu/LXDE
[12:24] <pragmaticenigma> Pinchiukas: otherwise, as BluesKaj recommended, install kubuntu-desktop ... that only installs KDE and it's required dependencies
[12:24] <Pinchiukas> I appreciate the suggestion. :) But I want to build a KDE installation this time.
[12:24] <BluesKaj> Pinchiukas, cherry picking apps should be done after the install not before ..installing kubuntu instead of ubuntu + plasma is not going to save time and space
[12:25] <Pinchiukas> You mean I should be removing stuff after I install everything?
[12:25] <pragmaticenigma> Pinchiukas: more over, cherry picking leads to the scenaraio you are currently experiencing
[12:26] <pragmaticenigma> Pinchiukas: Yes, install all, then remove what you don't need. Keep track of what you removed, if something stops working you can retrace your steps to figure out what caused things to break and can restore those items
[12:27] <Pinchiukas> That would clutter the system with leftover stuff.
[12:27] <Pinchiukas> I know I'm putting myself in this situation.
[12:27] <Pinchiukas> It's how I learn how stuff works. It's just that I kind of got stuck at this particular hurdle.
[12:28] <pragmaticenigma> Then I think you are on your own here. Part of learning is making mistakes and starting over.
[12:29] <Pinchiukas> I haven't identified my mistake yet. :)
[12:30] <c_14> I'm having an issue with the Ubuntu 18.04 server installer, the manual filesystem setup tool doesn't detect/list the partitions on my disk even though I can list and mount them in the shell. Can I get it to use the current partition table so I can just tell it which partitions to use instead of creating a completely new table?
[12:30] <pragmaticenigma> Pinchiukas: Two people have pointed out the mistake... it's up to you to identify it
[12:30]  * BluesKaj shrugs ..\
[12:30] <Pinchiukas> It's the goal I'm trying to achieve. A lightweight *KDE* desktop.
[12:32] <BluesKaj> BBL...errands
[12:35] <pragmaticenigma> Pinchiukas: From the documentation that you should be reading and researching: "kubuntu-desktop" installs only the required packages for the KDE Plasma desktop. "kubuntu-full" installs a complete system which will include more than just the KDE Plasma Desktop
[12:36] <pragmaticenigma> Pinchiukas: That's all we can offer you here. Beyond that, you are on your own and will have to do your own research to figure out anything beyond that.
[12:36] <ioria> for minimal, i'd go with kde-plasma-desktop
[12:37] <ioria> !info kde-plasma-desktop
[12:38] <Pinchiukas> !info kubuntu-desktop
[12:38] <Pinchiukas> How do I make the choice? :(
[12:39] <pragmaticenigma> Pinchiukas: You said you wanted to learn? Then why not try each of them out, see what meets your requirements and needs best
[12:40] <ioria> Pinchiukas, https://askubuntu.com/questions/135267/whats-the-difference-between-kde-packages
[12:40] <Pinchiukas> I usually expect it to be clear what the packages do and don't contain from their descriptions. This is what makes this frustrating.
[12:41] <pragmaticenigma> Pinchiukas: Those descriptions are all available in the documentation on the Ubuntu website, I don't understand what's frustrating about that.
[12:42] <Pinchiukas> They don't say what they include or not. Though I guess I'm supposed to look through the dependencies and understand that from there.
[12:42] <pragmaticenigma> Pinchiukas: Clearly you didn't click on the link I provided earlier... all the requirements of kubuntu-desktop were listed on that page
[12:43] <pragmaticenigma> Pinchiukas: Let's try it again, look here: https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/kubuntu-desktop
[12:45] <Pinchiukas> I meant it would be nice if the package description would say what it includes or not. So that I wouldn't have to derive that from the huge list of dependencies. But I digress.
[12:46] <Pinchiukas> Surprisingly, installing kubuntu-desktop didn't help.
[12:47] <pragmaticenigma> Pinchiukas: You're going to have to start from a clean slate... what you have right now is a broken install and the fastest way to fix that is clean install
[12:47] <Pinchiukas> Yeah that was my thought.
[12:47] <Pinchiukas> Luckily I made a snapshot. :)
[13:00] <anonymouse> hi
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[13:02] <anonymouse> we are anonymouse?
[13:10] <Pinchiukas> Well installing plasma-desktop and sddm with install-suggests and install-recommends enabled didn't help either. :(
[13:14] <Pinchiukas> If I run 'startx' (I installed xinit to do that) I get a KDE session. But still no SDDM screen on boot.
[13:17] <pragmaticenigma> startx is deprecated... try startkde
[13:20] <Pinchiukas> 'Cannot connect to X server'
[13:20] <BluesKaj> sudo systemctl enable sddm, then,  sudo systemctl start sddm
[13:21] <BluesKaj> Pinchiukas,^
[13:21] <Pinchiukas> The process is running, systemctl reports it as running.
[13:22] <ioria> Pinchiukas, are you in tty atm ?
[13:22] <pragmaticenigma> Pinchiukas: you may need to switch views try "Ctrl + Alt + F1" through F7
[13:23] <Pinchiukas> F7 doesn't work. Yes I'm in a tty.
[13:23] <ioria> Pinchiukas, sudo systemctl restart sddm
[13:24] <Pinchiukas> Doesn't change anything.
[13:24] <ioria> Pinchiukas, ok, what happens ?
[13:24] <Pinchiukas> Looks like it's just not starting X for some reason.
[13:24] <Pinchiukas> ioria: nothing.
[13:24] <Pinchiukas> The sddm process is running, no errors anywhere.
[13:24] <ioria> Pinchiukas, ps -A | nc termbin.com 9999
[13:26] <ioria> Pinchiukas, and paste the url here
[13:26] <leftyfb> c_14: do you still need help? I suggest trying a different installer? If you used the live installer, try the classic. Or the other way around.
[13:26] <Pinchiukas> http://termbin.com/lpme
[13:27] <ioria> Pinchiukas, Xorg not running
[13:27] <Pinchiukas> I'm just not sure why
[13:27] <ioria> Pinchiukas,  dpkg -l | grep -i xorg
[13:28] <ioria> Pinchiukas,  dpkg -l | grep -i xorg | nc termbin.com 9999
[13:28] <Pinchiukas> termbin.com/oq7c
[13:28] <Pinchiukas> It's installed and I'm able to start it manually as I've mentioned before.
[13:29] <Pinchiukas> Just SDDM isn't working as expected.
[13:29] <c_14> leftyfb: I do, yeah. Though your comment about different installers just got me to read something at the bottom of the download site: " re-using existing partitions, you will want to continue to use the alternate installer." So I'll try downloading that and retrying with it
[13:29] <ioria> Pinchiukas,  sudo apt install xorg
[13:30] <Pinchiukas> Installed, rebooted - no change.
[13:31] <ioria> Pinchiukas,  cat /etc/default/grub  | nc termbin.com 9999
[13:31] <ioria> Pinchiukas,  xorg is running now in ps -A ?
[13:32] <Pinchiukas> No, X is not running.
[13:32] <ioria> Pinchiukas,  paste the above and install xinit
[13:32] <Pinchiukas> termbin.com/f1eq
[13:32] <Pinchiukas> xinit is installed.
[13:33] <ioria> Pinchiukas,  sudo systemctl set-default graphical.target
[13:33] <sruli> i am having a issue with VPN, i have no traffic while connected, the only error i find in journalctl -u NetworkManager is nm-openvpn[15173]: write to TUN/TAP : Invalid argument (code=22) i see many of these lines, any ideas?
[13:34] <Pinchiukas> ioria: get-default says it's already graphical.target.
[13:34] <ioria> Pinchiukas,  cat /proc/cmdline
[13:34] <ioria> paste here
[13:34] <pragmaticenigma> sruli: Your OpenVPN configuration is wrong
[13:34] <Pinchiukas> BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.15.0-20-generic root=UUID=b0adc4f8-7fc2-4661-b20d-e585360ffa18 ro quiet splash
[13:36] <ioria> Pinchiukas,  sudo apt install --reinstall kubuntu-desktop
[13:36] <Pinchiukas> What would that achieve?
[13:36] <ioria> Pinchiukas,  it's an old kernel btw
[13:36] <ioria> Pinchiukas,  current is 46
[13:37] <Pinchiukas> I don't have bionic-updates enabled.
[13:37] <ioria> Pinchiukas,  why ?
[13:37] <Pinchiukas> Didn't get around to it.
[13:38] <pragmaticenigma> Pinchiukas: How come? That's how you make sure your system is protected and updated against bugs and more importantly security vulnerabilities
[13:38] <ioria> Pinchiukas,  i don't get you
[13:38] <pragmaticenigma> Pinchiukas: Also, the volunteers here are assuming it is installed and you are working with the latest packages
[13:38] <Pinchiukas> Sorry about that. I don't care that much about security at this point. I'll upgrade all packages now.
[13:38] <gebbione> something weird is happening on my ubuntu ux now. Somehow when i search for an app or something i cannot click to open it
[13:39] <ioria> Pinchiukas,  cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nc termbin.com 9999
[13:39] <Pinchiukas> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic main universe
[13:39] <Pinchiukas> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-updates main universe
[13:39] <ioria> Pinchiukas,  cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nc termbin.com 9999
[13:39] <gebbione> i have to move with the arrows to go on the icons to open the apps
[13:40] <gebbione> also my cairo dock is not on top anymore :/
[13:41] <Pinchiukas> ioria: I pasted the contents here.
[13:41] <ioria> Pinchiukas,  that's not going to work
[13:41] <ioria> Pinchiukas, replace the original
[13:42] <sruli> pragmaticenigma: i went over the config many times, all seems in order
[13:42] <Pinchiukas> ioria: replace original what?
[13:42] <ioria> Pinchiukas, and you said 'I don't have bionic-updates enabled.'
[13:43] <Pinchiukas> I enabled it now, installed all the updates and rebooted - that did not help.
[13:43] <pragmaticenigma> sruli: something is wrong with your configuration, beit the system or the openvpn profile. Did you setup a TUN or TAP interface?
[13:43] <ioria> Pinchiukas,  the original sources.list
[13:43] <Pinchiukas> The original (created by debootstrap) only had the first line.
[13:43] <sruli> pragmaticenigma: its adds a tun0 when i connect
[13:43] <Pinchiukas> ioria: what do you think I'm missing?
[13:43] <ioria> all
[13:44] <Pinchiukas> That's a bit vague. :)
[13:44] <sruli> pragmaticenigma: i can only ping the vpn server while connected
[13:44] <blackflow> Pinchiukas: you're missing bionic-security
[13:44] <ioria> Pinchiukas,  https://termbin.com/2cjp
[13:45] <pragmaticenigma> sruli: That sounds like a firewall and routing issue... openvpn by default only can establish a connection from the client to the server
[13:45] <ioria> Pinchiukas,  use that
[13:46] <blackflow> Pinchiukas: in essence, three deb lines are a minimum:  bionic, bionic-updates and bionic-security, and for each enable components you want like main, universe, ...
[13:46] <blackflow> definitely do not copypaste from random sources without understanding what each line does.
[13:46] <Pinchiukas> I have enabled the ones I want. ioria is suggesting I need more. Just not sure why.
[13:46] <Pinchiukas> What he pasted looks ok but also overkill for me personally.
[13:46] <Pinchiukas> I do agree about the security.
[13:47] <ioria> Pinchiukas, a lot of packages are in security and in updates
[13:47] <sruli> pragmaticenigma: iptables policy are all set to ACCEPT
[13:47] <ioria> Pinchiukas, please, replace and run  sudo apt update
[13:47] <blackflow> Pinchiukas: default sources.list is spread among many lines because of the GUI thng that edits it.  the bare minimum can be put into three lines, that's three repos (bionic, bionic-updates and bionic-security) and for each repo you configure wanted components (main, universe, ...)
[13:48] <Pinchiukas> ioria: I already enabled updates and upgraded everything. I've also enabled security but that had no upgrades.
[13:48] <ioria> Pinchiukas,  sudo apt update | nc termbin.com 9999
[13:49] <Pinchiukas> I use apt-get. And it's up to date currently.
[13:49] <Pinchiukas> apt confirms this.
[13:49] <ioria> Pinchiukas,  sudo apt full-upgrade
[13:51] <blackflow> Pinchiukas: apt list --upgradable  shows nothing?
[13:52] <c_14> leftyfb: this installer looks like it has the option to use existing partition tables, thanks for the tip
[13:52] <leftyfb> c_14: the live installer (subiquiti) has many issues
[13:52] <leftyfb> for server
[13:52] <Pinchiukas> blackflow: yes.
[13:52] <Pinchiukas> ioria: says everything is up to date.
[13:52] <ioria> Pinchiukas,  and  ls /boot  | nc termbin.com 9999
[13:53] <Pinchiukas> https://termbin.com/w0s1
[13:54] <ioria> Pinchiukas,  why are you not booting vmlinuz-4.15.0-46-generic ?
[13:54] <Pinchiukas> I've just booted it. I rebooted after upgrading.
[13:54] <pragmaticenigma> sruli: https://arashmilani.com/post?id=53
[13:54] <ioria> Pinchiukas,  you cannot have the new kernel is security was disabled
[13:55] <Pinchiukas> I have security and updates enabled right now.
[13:55] <ioria> Pinchiukas,  nope, that was before
[13:55] <pragmaticenigma> sruli: You have to foward traffic from the tunel to your local network connection. The article I just posted should help with that
[13:55] <Pinchiukas> I'm running 46 now.
[13:55] <ioria> Pinchiukas,  sy, cannot hel you
[13:56] <Pinchiukas> Why?
[13:58] <blackflow> Pinchiukas: in short, you're breaking your Ubuntu installation by deviating so much from the default installation. that is unfortunately not supported here in #ubuntu, which is concerned (due to volume of questions) only with problems regarding default installations.
[13:58] <blackflow> Pinchiukas: partly why I said before that doing this requires you to know and understand how the DE components are integrated before you rip it all out, as that's not supported here.
[13:58] <sruli> pragmaticenigma: when i tried to go the website of that vpn provider i see opendns content filter blocks it, i now allowed proxy/anonymizer in opendns settings waiting for it to take effect to see if that was the issue
[13:59] <blackflow> Pinchiukas: Unfortunately others have started helping you rip it all apart, and gave you impression that what you're doing is supported here, it isn't. Sorry.
[13:59] <Pinchiukas> blackflow: well right now I'm just debootstrapping it and installing plasma-desktop and sddm. Is that still too far?
[14:00] <blackflow> Pinchiukas: well it _does_ require you to know what you're doing.
[14:00] <pragmaticenigma> Pinchiukas: The sentiment of the volunteers here is, unless you install Kubuntu or use the mini.iso to install Kubuntu desktop, we can't help you anymore.
[14:00] <Pinchiukas> Ok I guess I'll go research how the DE and other OS components work together.
[14:00] <homma> exit
[14:00] <blackflow> Pinchiukas: it's a very extensive topic, far out of the scope of simple irc-based support
[14:00] <Pinchiukas> Thanks for bearing with me.
[14:01] <blackflow> Pinchiukas: perhaps look into installing Linux From Scratch at least once, that'll give you a lot of clues and hints.
[14:01] <Pinchiukas> I have looked into that. I doubt it will answer my questions.
[14:01] <blackflow> Pinchiukas: it will give you hints as to how modern DE environemnts are set up, from the DM service, logind sessions and the separation of xorg, DM and DE
[14:02] <blackflow> Pinchiukas: startx for example is totally not supported because you need a DM to set up the session with access to /dev(ices), xorg wouldn't even start with no access to input and output
[14:02] <pragmaticenigma> sruli: I didn't send you to any proxy/anonymizer/vpn provider website. I sent a link to a personal blog that I have referenced before in setting up OpenVPN... I think you have more going on with your configuration that you are volunteering to tell us. We can't help you without knowing such details
[14:03] <blackflow> (or you manually adjust permissions but that opens a can of additional security and unsupported worms)
[14:03] <Pinchiukas> blackflow: I don't see references to desktop stuff in the LFS book.
[14:04] <sruli> pragmaticenigma: i wrote "when i tried to go the website of that vpn provider" meaning the vpn provider i am trying to connect ot, not refering to your link (which i did read)
[14:05] <cryptodan> Pinchiukas: since you mentioned LFS might be wise to get help from them
[14:05] <blackflow> Pinchiukas: you need BLFS, that's "next step" from the main LFS book. and yeah, kinda offtopic here :)
[14:06] <Pinchiukas> cryptodan: that was a very useless comment.
[14:06] <Pinchiukas> blackflow: cool, thanks.
[14:06] <Pinchiukas> I think that area is generally what I need to look into.
[14:07] <blackflow> Pinchiukas: you can also try gentoo, that's between LFS and a fully pre-configured distro like Ubuntu, and will teach you a lot on how to put it all together as well. #gentoo here on freenode is very helpful.
[14:08] <blackflow> And now, back to Ubuntu(tm) :)
[14:09] <Pinchiukas> I've used Gentoo before and I liked it a lot but I'm not sure it will help with learning how the graphical components work together.
[14:09] <blackflow> Pinchiukas: it most certainly will as you have to install them and confiugre them, there's no predefined anything.
[14:09] <blackflow> (anyway, getting way offtopic)
[14:12] <Draconiator> Is there an Intel 945SE graphics driver availiable for Lubuntu?  I'm just using a generic right now for this netbook.
[14:12] <pragmaticenigma> Draconiator: Intel drivers are already installed by default. There is no separate package or driver you need to install
[14:13] <pragmaticenigma> Draconiator: Are you experiencing an issue with getting your display to work?
[14:14] <Draconiator> No, just wondering, my benchmarking and specs program doesn't say anything about installed drivers, just says that it's "VGA compatible".
[14:14] <momozor> how do I make my custom Ubuntu based distro? I've been using ubuntu for at least 4 years and been playing with chroot for a bit, but I don't know how do I..let's say, make an Ubuntu ISO with custom packages, splash screens and different init scripts
[14:15] <pragmaticenigma> momozor: That's offtopic for this channel. This channel focuses it's support on the official Ubuntu offerings from Canonical
[14:15] <momozor> oh sorry
[14:15] <momozor> won't happen again
[14:19] <leftyfb> momozor: there's lots of articles on google on how to do it
[14:19] <leftyfb> momozor: it's not that easy
[14:20] <sruli> pragmaticenigma: i added the iptables as per link, does not solve the issue, still no internet when connected to vpn
[14:22] <pragmaticenigma> sruli: Are you connecting out to a service provider, or are you connecting to your home machine?
[14:24] <sruli> pragmaticenigma: to a service provider
[14:24] <allen> Hi, this is my first time using IRC hoping someone can answer my Ubuntu questions - testing
[14:24] <BluesKaj> sruli, is the router provided by the ISP?
[14:24] <sruli> BluesKaj: no, i am using openvpn/network manager
[14:25] <BluesKaj> that's not what i asked
[14:25] <pragmaticenigma> allen: Welcome, you are encouraged to ask your question without having to ask to ask. Please try to post your question in as much detail on a single line. If a volunteer here has an answer, they will contact you in this channel
[14:26] <sruli> BluesKaj: no the router is not provided by them, however i am able to connect from other PC's on the same network
[14:27] <BluesKaj> sruli, does you vpn provide a gui to set up and connect with?
[14:29] <allen> Hello everyone, I am sort-of new to the Linux world.  I have Ubuntu 18.04 installed on my PC.  At first I started with a 256GB SSD drive dedicated solely to Ubuntu.  (Win 10 was installed on another SSD in my machine).  I used Clonezilla to copy my 256GB SSD to a new Samsung 970 EVO 1TB SSD.  I used advanced mode in Clonezilla.  I have 850GB free in a partition with only a /usr file in it.  If I cannot have a single partition, how do I
[14:29] <allen> get programs I install save to my /usr partition?  I'm happy to try to explain further.  Thank you in advance for working with me.
[14:29] <asenssy> hi there, this is a sample request with curl to consume API - under Windows
[14:29] <asenssy> curl –header “Content-Type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded” –data
[14:29] <asenssy> 2
[14:29] <asenssy> 	“client_id=YourClientKey&client_secret=YourClientSecret&username=YourUsername&password=YourPassword&grant_type=password” https://portal.bitcurb/token
[14:29] <asenssy> can you help how to run in Ubuntu
[14:30] <asenssy> --header and --data are valid options
[14:30] <pragmaticenigma> !patience | asenssy
[14:30] <asenssy> but all I get is html code from the url
[14:31] <pragmaticenigma> asenssy: Have you looked the information that is returned? There may be an error message provided in the HTML returned
[14:33] <neurre> how do I see which apps are using which network ports?
[14:33] <neurre> I asked this a while back but i forgot the command :/
[14:33] <leftyfb> neurre: lsof, netstat, nethogs, etc. There's lots of tools
[14:33] <pragmaticenigma> neurre: are you looking for netstat ?
[14:33] <neurre> just need to know which pid to kill
[14:34] <sruli> allen: why do you want your programs in /usr ?
[14:35] <allen> sruli - when I look at Ubuntu through the "Files
[14:35] <neurre> I think it was "ss -some options"
[14:35] <BluesKaj> sruli, did you install network-manager-openvpn as well, hate to be so elementary, but I don't know what you've done and not done to setup your vpn client
[14:36] <leftyfb> allen: man ss
[14:37] <leftyfb> neurre: if you know the port, then use: sudo lsof -i :<PORT>
[14:38] <sruli> BluesKaj: i am pretty familiar with it, have been connecting to this provider for a few years on this machine, however today i removed all old config files and downloaded the new ones from the provider and imported them, but those same new config files i tried on another pc (18.04) and they work fine.
[14:39] <BluesKaj> sruli, are talking about the .ovpn files and certs?
[14:39] <allen> sruli - when I look at Ubuntu through the "Files" icon, I see "On This Computer"  I see two hard disks  (or partitions).  One reads "Computer" and it has 192GB of space.  The other reads "805GB Volume" and it is pretty much empty except for a folder with my login name and a subfolder called Examples.  I would like all space in "Computer" Kind of like everything being in the C: partition in Windows.  I have no idea how to adjust the file
[14:39] <allen>  system.
[14:39] <sruli> BluesKaj: yes
[14:40] <BluesKaj> sruli, and they're located in /etc/openvpn now?
[14:40] <sruli> allen: i dont understand what you are trying to achieve, what is your end goal and why?
[14:40] <sruli> BluesKaj: no in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/
[14:43] <BluesKaj> sruli, add them to /etc/openvpn as well .. that's where mine are located
[14:45] <leftyfb> allen: The easiest is to reinstall and just do the guided partitioning of your drive
[14:45] <leftyfb> allen: it looks like you make an 80G partition for your home directory and the rest of the drive for the rest of your filesystem.
[14:46] <sruli> BluesKaj: no, in none of my PC's where i use openvpn with NM
[14:46] <allen> sruli I want to install Virtualbox  in Ubuntu and run my Windows VHD files.  One of my VHD files is 150GB.   Virtualbox will install to my "Computer" partition under "Files" , but I do not have enough space with my 1TB drive to put that under the primary(?) partiton.  I wish I could send screen shots.  Sorry if I am unclear.
[14:46] <sruli> allen: no, you tell virtualbox where to store the VM backing file
[14:46] <allen> leftyfb - yes, I might just reinstall from scratch.  I'm trying to get stronger at understanding the Linux side
[14:47] <leftyfb> allen: you could fix it by booting the live cd/usb, mounting both partitions, rsync'ing the contents of your 80G to /home/<YOURUSER> on the bigger partition, editing fstab and removing the mount for /home and use gparted to delete the 80G partition and resize your main partition to take the rest of the drive
[14:48] <leftyfb> allen: but all that ^ requires backups in case things go wrong and rebooting between changes to make sure each of the steps works
[14:48] <leftyfb> allen: and an understanding of what you're doing. Which it sounds like you don't.
[14:48] <sruli> i want to reinstall NetworkManager, where / how can i download NM debs before i uninstall?
[14:48] <leftyfb> allen: if you want to learn, go for it. If you just want it fixed, then reinstall
[14:48] <leftyfb> sruli: why do you thnk you need to reinstall NM?
[14:49] <leftyfb> sruli: reinstalling NM will not change any configs you have
[14:50] <sruli> leftyfb: i am using v1.89 from ppa (its embarrassing that ubuntu is still on 1.10) thinking maybe i will try ubuntu's version to see if it makes a difference (been using v 1.89 for more than a year without an issue)
[14:51] <sruli> leftyfb: i have no issue connecting to the vpn server, the problem is once connected i have not internet access can only ping the vpn server ip
[14:51] <leftyfb> sruli: what version of ubuntu are you running?
[14:51] <sruli> leftyfb: 16.04
[14:51] <allen> Thanks leftyfb and sruli - I appreciate all your thoughts - I am not afraid to mess with fstab because I can always reclone my original 256GB SSD with Ubuntu on it again to my new 1TB drive.  Thanks again for your thoughts and have a great day
[14:51] <leftyfb> sruli: LTS versions only get security fixes. Not new versions just because
[14:52] <leftyfb> sruli: I'm on 18.04 with 1.10
[14:53] <leftyfb> sruli: So no, it's not embarrassing. That's how the releases work
[14:53] <leftyfb> sruli: you're on a 3yo release. So you're running a 3yo version of NM.
[14:54] <sruli> leftyfb: there is so much functionality in v1.499 that is not in v.1.10, i need that functionallity
[14:54] <leftyfb> sruli: what functionality?
[14:55] <sruli> leftyfb: for example randomising mac addreses
[14:55] <leftyfb> sruli: also, you were just complaining that you 1.10 wasn't available in your 3yo OS and that you're running 1.10 from a PPA. Make up your mind
[14:56] <sruli> leftyfb: i am running v1.89 fro more than a year
[14:56] <sruli> leftyfb: not 1.1 but 1.89
[14:56] <leftyfb> ah, my mistake
[14:56] <sruli> leftyfb: in any case i want to rule this out as the issue, how do i donwload the debs before uninstall?
[14:57] <leftyfb> sruli: use apt-purge to remove your NM ppa
[14:57] <leftyfb> sruli: that should install the version available in the ubuntu repos
[14:58] <sruli> but first it will uninstall NM leaving me without possibility to connect to ubuntu repo
[14:58] <leftyfb> sruli: sudo apt install network-manager=1.2.6-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[14:59] <leftyfb> sruli: sorry, I meant to say ppa-purge
[14:59] <leftyfb> which I think would downgrade
[15:00] <sruli> leftyfb: after apt-purge i wont have a network connection.. i need to download the NM deb from ubuntu repo before i uninstall, where do i download from?
[15:00] <leftyfb> but sure, install the ubuntu version by specifying it's version (downgrade) and then remove the ppa
[15:00] <leftyfb> sruli: please read everything I said
[15:01] <sruli> leftyfb: if i remember correctly it wont downgrade, a while ago was busy a whole day a while ago finding the files and downloading to usb ...
[15:01] <leftyfb> sruli: sudo apt install network-manager=1.2.6-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[15:01] <sruli> leftyfb: ok, will go over ur messages now
[15:01] <sruli> leftyfb: so i run that after purging?
[15:01] <leftyfb> no
[15:01] <leftyfb> before
[15:01] <leftyfb> that will downgrade your version
[15:02] <gebbione> does anyone use Cairo Dock ? it is not "Always on top" anymore
[15:02] <sruli> leftyfb: ok, will try now
[15:02] <gebbione> something messing around my ubuntu :/
[15:09] <sruli> leftyfb: its not finding that version
[15:09] <leftyfb> sruli: apt-cache policy network-manager
[15:11] <sruli> leftyfb: termbin.com/pw5o
[15:12] <leftyfb> sruli: try: sudo apt install network-manager=1.2.6-0ubuntu0
[15:17] <sruli> leftyfb: not found
[15:19] <programmerq> I'm using ubuntu 18.04 lts desktop, trying to switch away from macos for daily driver. I have accessibility needs that Applescript helps with. (stuff like activating things by voice or by alternate input devices). My question is whether there's anything for gtk/qt applications that is similar to applescript. For example, on macos I can write an applescript that will find a window, find an element of a certain
[15:19] <programmerq> name in that window, and then do something like click a button. It works whether the window is in the foreground or not. I'd like to port some of those scripts to equivalents on ubuntu.
[15:20] <leftyfb> sruli: I just tested this and it works: sudo apt install network-manager=1.2.6-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[15:20] <programmerq> tldr; can I script ui interaction of gtk/qt applications like I can script cocoa applications?
[15:23] <sruli> leftyfb: termbin.com/y2jg
[15:24] <tomreyn> sruli: ububtu is not ubuntu
[15:25] <sruli> i am so sorry
[15:25] <sruli> tomreyn: thanks
[15:25] <sruli> leftyfb: sorry for that typo, installed
[15:26] <sruli> leftyfb: rebooting now, will see if it makes a difference for the vpn connection
[15:27] <tomreyn> sruli: i think you will want to downgrade all of the NM components you need / want before you do that.
[15:27] <tomreyn> dpkg -l | grep network-manager
[15:29] <tomreyn> apt depends network-manager
[15:29] <sruli> tomreyn: dont need the grep... just dpkg -l network-manager, however its not listing any of the components, it did nist befor the downgrade
[15:29] <leftyfb> sruli: future reference, do not install packages by downloading the .deb files. You have a bit of a mess on your hands
[15:30] <sruli> tomreyn: sorry the grep does show the componenets
[15:30] <tomreyn> sruli: if you don't pipie and grep dpkg output like this you get both installed and uninstalled packages.
[15:30] <tomreyn> there are better ways, but i'm lazy.
[15:33] <tomreyn> sruli: what i actually do when i need to downgrade and remove packages from a ppa without hunting down package dependencies is to just remove the ppa, then use https://github.com/tomreyn/scripts#foreign_packages to identify packages i need to uninstall or downgrade.
[15:33] <sruli> result is same, when connected to vpn i have no wan traffic
[15:33] <sruli> leftyfb: tomreyn: ^
[15:33] <tomreyn> * remove the ppa and run apt update
[15:33] <leftyfb> tomreyn: I'm pretty sure ppa-purge will do all that
[15:34] <tomreyn> leftyfb: i had it fail on me so many times, no longe ruse it.
[15:34] <leftyfb> sruli: I can just about guarantee you your issue is with the client or server config
[15:35] <sruli> leftyfb: i imported the same ovpn file on another machine, no issues
[15:36] <sruli> i will try another provider, i guess if that doesnt work the issue is not with config or server
[15:38] <leftyfb> sruli: and what is the difference between the other machine and this one?
[15:38] <sruli> many inc its ubuntu 18.04
[15:39] <tomreyn> sruli: what's the output of: ubuntu-support-status --show-unsupported 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:40] <sruli> tomreyn: termbin.com/dd91
[15:41] <tomreyn> libnm-glib-vpn1 libnm-glib4 libnm-util2 libnm0 need yet to be downgraded / replaced / removed
[15:42] <tomreyn> you'd get better output using the tool from github
[15:43] <sruli> tomreyn: how do i  downgrade them?
[15:43] <qwebirc89149> I'm trying to install ubuntu from a mini.iso and get stuck on "Running update-grub". Any ideas on what I can do?
[15:43] <qwebirc89149> It was stuck on update-grub for at least 7 hours, and I just restarted the full install
[15:45] <tomreyn> sruli: "apt policy PACKAGENAME" or https://packages.ubuntu.com/PACKAGENAME to see which VERSION is in your ubuntu release (if any), then either "apt purge PACKAGENAME" (if its not in your ubuntu release) or "apt install PACKAGENAME=VERSION"
[15:47] <sruli> so i tried a different provider now and it does work
[15:47] <tomreyn> in the end, re-check with "./foreign-packages" or "ubuntu-support-status --show-unsupported" and make sure no "no longer downloadable" / "No available version in archive" / "Newer than version in archive" remain.
[15:48] <sruli> tomreyn: leftyfb: it seems the issue is not the nm packages, i dont know what to do as the same import files work fine on my other ubuntu
[15:48] <tomreyn> after removing a PPA, you may also want to remove its apt signing key off the trusted list
[15:49] <sruli> tomreyn: as the issue is not related to the nm package i am going to reinstall the 1 from the ppa
[15:49] <leftyfb> sruli: So your openvpn profile works with Ubuntu 18.04 but not 16.04? Try creating a new user on 16.04 and see if it works
[15:49] <leftyfb> sruli: I wouldn't do that
[15:50] <qwebirc89149> Sorry for bumping my previous question, but has anyone seen the "update-grub" issue before? I can't find a solution online :/
[15:50] <tomreyn> me neither, if you want a newer network manager, better upgrade upbuntu to the latest lts
[15:50] <lordcirth> qwebirc89149, BIOS or EFI?
[15:51] <sruli> leftyfb: i am gonna have another 10.04 laptop in 2 min will try on that
[15:51] <qwebirc89149> lordcirth: EFI, I believe
[15:51] <leftyfb> sruli: 10.04 is unsupported. Don't bother
[15:51] <lordcirth> qwebirc89149, did you do automatic or manual partitioning?
[15:51] <qwebirc89149> lordcirth: automatic
[15:51] <sruli> tomreyn: leftyfb: regarding upgrading the NM i need that version, have done heavy customisation based on the functionally available there and has worked flawlesly for > 1 year
[15:52] <lordcirth> qwebirc89149, while it's stuck, you can try switching to tty2 and looking at dmesg and syslog
[15:52] <leftyfb> sruli: then upgrade Ubuntu to 18.04
[15:52] <qwebirc89149> Syslog not found, what should I be reading in dmesg?
[15:52] <sruli> leftyfb: sorry typo 16.04 not 10,04 lol (i only got introduced to linux at 11.04)
[15:53] <sruli> leftyfb: cant upgrade, this laptop has lots of customisations and script i need to run that i know will break in 18.04, i need time to test and update my scripts before i can do that
[15:53] <lordcirth> qwebirc89149, just looking for error messages near the end
[15:53] <tomreyn> programmerq: i recommend you ask the GUI scripting question on a gnome specific channel
[15:54] <lordcirth> qwebirc89149, I think there's also an installer log
[15:54] <leftyfb> sruli: you could boot to a live cd/usb to test as well
[15:54] <qwebirc89149> lordcirth: Ok so some things that seem relevant: my usb disk I think has an error saying it was not properly unmounted and might be corruct
[15:54] <sruli> leftyfb: also 18.04 ships NM 1.10 still missing the functionality i need as i wrote b4 i am using v1.89
[15:54] <lordcirth> qwebirc89149, this is the USB that you tried to install from?
[15:54] <programmerq> tomreyn. I ended up asking there too, and then I realized a different search term to use, and came across the dogtail project. https://gitlab.com/dogtail/dogtail
[15:55] <qwebirc89149> lordcirth: Yep, I think so
[15:55] <programmerq> it looks like it works with gnome/gtk/kde4/qt applications
[15:55] <programmerq> but it was built with automated testing rather than accessibility in mind, but should work for both imo.
[15:55] <lordcirth> qwebirc89149, when you boot the installer, there is an option to verify / checksum itself. Do that.
[15:56] <qwebirc89149> lordcirth: Okay, so I'm going to be restarting to reach that option, right?
[15:56] <lordcirth> qwebirc89149, yes
[15:58] <tomreyn> programmerq: looks like it could work. other tools you could try: sikuli, autokey
[15:59] <tomreyn> programmerq: also xdotool
[16:00] <motok0> hey bitches
[16:00] <lotuspsychje> language motok0
[16:00] <motok0> sorry
[16:01] <motok0> @SmearedBeared long time no speak!
[16:02] <qwebirc89149> lordcirth: Do you know if this option should become before or after installing the base system? I would have thought before, but not finding an option
[16:02] <leftyfb> motok0: can we help you with something?
[16:02] <lordcirth> qwebirc89149, the very first menu, usually. Perhaps I am thinking of the alternative installer.
[16:03] <qwebirc89149> lordcirth: Hm, yea mine didn't have that. It's the instaler from the mini.iso
[16:03] <qwebirc89149> (just because I didn't have a big enough flash drive, but do have network connection)
[16:03] <anibic> My Ubuntu 18.10 is downloading something and hogging bandwidth. However after installation I chose to "remind me later" for updates. How can I check what it is ?
[16:04] <Guest17187> coucou
[16:04] <BlackCrown> oui
[16:04] <lotuspsychje> !fr | Guest17187
[16:04] <lordcirth> anibic, sudo apt install nethogs, sudo nethogs
[16:05] <lordcirth> If apt is locked, look in /var/log/apt/
[16:05] <anibic> which one ?
[16:05] <sruli> leftyfb: tried it now from an almost identical 16.04 setup same issue
[16:05] <sruli> tomreyn: ^
[16:05] <leftyfb> sruli: have you ever got this exact vpn profile to work on Ubuntu 16.04?
[16:06] <anibic> sudo nethogs
[16:06] <anibic> ?
[16:06] <leftyfb> anibic: run both of those commands to run nethogs to see what is using bandwidth
[16:07] <sruli> leftyfb: i cannot answer for certain, the vpn provider keeps on adding removing servers so i update the config files every month, dont check them (around 5,000 config files) i randomly connect to a different 1 each time i connect
[16:07] <lordcirth> qwebirc89149, ok, yeah, I just downloaded and ran the mini iso, no checksum option. Try checksumming the iso that you downloaded, on whatever machine you used for that.
[16:07] <leftyfb> jeeze. What do you do that requires you to invest this much effort and time into VPN's and custom network configs?
[16:08] <sruli> leftyfb: i will see if i can try 1 that i know for sure worked, will take a few minutes. if that fails will try on a 16.04 live usb
[16:09] <sruli> leftyfb: in the end we'll find it was the most stupid silly minute thing
[16:10] <tomreyn> sruli: i contonue to recommend upgrading to ubuntu 18.04 lts if you'd like a newer network manager
[16:11] <leftyfb> tomreyn: apparently it's not new enough
[16:11] <tomreyn> based on what?
[16:11] <sruli> tomreyn: at this time on that machine its simply impossible too many things will break, i need to make time to test all my scripts etc b4 i upgrade that
[16:11] <leftyfb> something about randomizing MAC address's and who knows what else
[16:12] <sruli> leftyfb: yes who knows what else ;-)
[16:12] <leftyfb> sruli: care to share why you require all this effort into vpn's and custom network configs?
[16:12] <tomreyn> leftyfb: IIRC randomizing MACs works in 18.04, maybe not on the GUI
[16:13] <qwebirc89149> lordcirth: I think I'm not going to be able to figure this out easily, so just gonna make a new bootable usb and try again. Just to confirm though, should "update-grub" take a long time?
[16:13] <leftyfb> qwebirc89149: no
[16:13] <sruli> tomreyn: nm v 0.98 "officially" supported it, but did it actually work? no
[16:13] <qwebirc89149> Ok, then I'm going to assume it's broken and start again
[16:13] <tomreyn> qwebirc89149: it doesn't take longer than a few minutes on any supported hardware
[16:14] <Exterminador> hello guys. I have a program that runs its own identd server on port 10113.. how do I permantly reroute identd requests for that port? (no oidentd installed)
[16:15] <BluesKaj> I avoid network-manager and network-manager-openvpn altogether due to the problems it's been plagued with for yrs ... a regression is in order IMO. Using the interfaces file with dhcp and ifupdown solves both ethernet and vpn connection problems
[16:15] <qwebirc89149> Oh wait, does ubuntu support ryzen?
[16:16] <BluesKaj> !ryzen
[16:16] <sruli> BluesKaj: true NM is a mess, but i am doing this for users that dont know what a terminal looks like
[16:16] <BluesKaj> !info ryzen
[16:16] <NoImNotNineVolt> qwebirc89149: isn't ryzen x86_64?
[16:17] <qwebirc89149> Yea, but I'm seeing suggestions online that I might have problems
[16:17] <qwebirc89149> If grub isn't working, that seems like a hardware issue, right?
[16:17] <BluesKaj> sruli, it's mostly just textfiles and knowing the paths to them
[16:17] <NoImNotNineVolt> that depends. "isn't working" isn't very specific.
[16:17] <NoImNotNineVolt> it could just as well be a grub configuration issue, or an issue with the way the bootloader was written, etc.
[16:18] <qwebirc89149> I'm trying to install 18.04, if that could be a problem
[16:18] <NoImNotNineVolt> it shouldn't be.
[16:18] <tomreyn> qwebirc89149: ryzen is supported. you may need to make changes to your bios to make first generation ryzen cpus work with linux.
[16:19] <NoImNotNineVolt> it's probably uefi, not bios.
[16:19] <qwebirc89149> tomreyn: Including 2nd gen? And yeah, uefi
[16:19] <qwebirc89149> Sorry, I only sort of know what I'm doing :p
[16:19] <tomreyn> qwebirc89149: that's if you have complete freezes.
[16:19] <qwebirc89149> Ah ok
[16:20] <tomreyn> 2nd gen issues are mostly with APUs, IIRC, not sure they have the freezes, still
[16:20] <tomreyn> qwebirc89149: updating the mainboard firmware should be a good thing to start with
[16:22] <qwebirc89149> tomreyn: Alright, looking into that
[16:26] <qwebirc66181> Hi
[16:26] <qwebirc66181> Is there someone who can dedicate me some minutes?
[16:27] <Eickmeyer> !ask qwebirc66181
[16:27] <qwebirc66181> My problem is not simple, I need someone who is good with drivers about audio
[16:27] <Pinchiukas> Is it normal that the kubntu installer looks like this: https://i.imgur.com/ZL4QqFh.png ?
[16:27] <Eickmeyer> !ask | qwebirc66181
[16:28] <Eickmeyer> The Kubuntu installer looks normal to me.
[16:28] <qwebirc66181> Okay, my speakers are not working, and the headphones appear plugged when they aren't
[16:28] <Eickmeyer> !sound | qwebirc66181
[16:28] <qwebirc66181> I tried all that
[16:28] <qwebirc66181> I even looked in pacmd
[16:29] <Eickmeyer> Did you check pavuctl?
[16:29] <jeremy31> qwebirc66181: See if the headphone port is dirty or has something stuck in it
[16:29] <qwebirc66181> Yes, and the speakers are listed as unavailable
[16:29] <qwebirc66181> Also when I raise volume from pavucontrol to the speakers they are not working
[16:30] <qwebirc66181> But they are working in windows
[16:31] <qwebirc66181> So from pacmd i have only one sink inside which there are both the speakers and the headphones
[16:31] <qwebirc66181> but speakers, also there, are listed as not available
[16:31] <qwebirc66181> I will show you the pastebin
[16:31] <qwebirc66181> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vsQGjsk2yc/
[16:32] <BluesKaj> qwebirc66181, check alsamixer in the terminal and make sure automute is disabled, it's on the far right
[16:33] <gambl0r3> im trying to run "chroot /mnt" but im getting: "chroot failed to run command ‘/bin/bash’ no such file or directory"
[16:33] <qwebirc66181> it is enabled
[16:34] <qwebirc66181> how do i disable it?
[16:34] <BluesKaj> then disable it with up down key
[16:34] <qwebirc66181> once I exit it will be automatically saved?
[16:35] <BluesKaj> yes
[16:35] <BluesKaj> click escape to leave alsamixer
[16:36] <BluesKaj> qwebirc66181, also make sure your relevant volume ctrls are up to 80% minimum
[16:36] <qwebirc66181> it worked!!!!
[16:36] <qwebirc66181> Thanks <3
[16:36] <BluesKaj> yw
[16:43] <qwebirc89149> tomreyn: Ok, it turns out I just can't read!
[16:43] <qwebirc89149> tomreyn: The mini installation I was using was not for use with uefi bioses
[16:45] <ash_worksi> can sed do 'n1,+n2' or is that only achievalbe through variables like "${n1},$((n1 + n2))p" ?
[16:46] <bane> Hey guys... currently receiving this error every time i attempt to apt-get update (https://pastebin.com/ppqcGMJT) - weird thing is that i cannot find this repo anywhere when i search under /etc/apt/
[16:46] <bane> Any recommendations?
[16:47] <bane> nevermind
[16:47] <bane> found it
[16:47] <bane> :)
[16:57] <gambl0r3> im doing a fresh install of kubuntu, whats the advised way to setup my partitions for installation?
[16:58] <pragmaticenigma> gambl0r3: There is no advisement, only you can determine what partition layout is necassary for your needs. By default, no partitions are needed
[16:58] <gambl0r3> pragmaticenigma, just install the entire os on one partition?
[16:58] <rypervenche> gambl0r3: I would, with LVM.
[16:58] <lordcirth> gambl0r3, I usually make a single ext4 or btrfs partition for /
[16:59] <pragmaticenigma> gambl0r3: Yes, you can do that
[16:59] <lordcirth> Currently my home PC is root on ZFS, which is great, but tricky to set up
[16:59] <pragmaticenigma> lordcirth: I think that might be getting a little offtopic for the OP's question
[16:59] <gambl0r3> before i had /dev/sda1 for boot and /dev/sda2 for my files
[17:00] <gambl0r3> is that default or did i set that up manually
[17:00] <gambl0r3> i cant remember
[17:00] <ash_worksi> nvm, 'n1,+n2' worked :)
[17:00] <OerHeks> !partitioning
[17:00] <bnm123> default
[17:01] <bnm123> if you went with the installer and did LUKS, /dev/sda1 should be ur boot, and /dev/sda2 should be one big fat lvm volume (which houses swap, rootfs etc)
[17:01] <pragmaticenigma> gambl0r3: In older systems, the boot sector had to be within a specific range on the boot drive. That is no longer required with newer hardware
[17:02] <gambl0r3> the firs option is 'Guided - resize scsi4 (0,0,0), partition #2 and use freed space'
[17:03] <OerHeks> with uefi you want a small partition at he beginning of the drive
[17:03] <gambl0r3> and it shows half the partition is ubuntu and the other half is kubuntu
[17:03] <gambl0r3> whats going on here?
[17:03] <sruli> leftyfb: still around? i just tried on a 16.04 live usb and same issue
[17:04] <bnm123> make sure u overwrite, not install kubuntu alongside
[17:04] <leftyfb> sruli: ok. Then that profile does not work on Ubuntu 16.04. Contact whoever made the profile
[17:05] <sruli> i did, just had a 40 minutes rant with them, they kept on telling me to change my dns settings when the issue is not dns and while i was asking them to test on 16.04
[17:05] <ruser> hi, i'm trying to upgrade ancient laptop, but it appears it's stuck in dependency hell after 16->18 upgrade.    desktop completely blank,  apt-get update and upgrade are failing -f install is not fixing it, and it's listing lots of packages at older version
[17:05] <bnm123> ruser: fresh install is the best option
[17:05] <sruli> leftyfb: didnt get anywhere, i want to try connecting with openvpn directly without nm, forgot how, need to look it up
[17:06] <bnm123> sruli: what's the issue?
[17:06] <ruser> bnm123: i don't have media to backup   /home
[17:06] <ruser> :(
[17:06] <bnm123> sruli: sudo openvpn --cd <dir of ovpn configuration files> --config <name of ovpn config file>
[17:07] <ruser> i can't install aptitude either  because of the dependencies :/
[17:07] <sruli> bnm123: thanks, in what format do i put teh user/pass in teh config file? (issue is with NM on 16.04 once connected to vpn i can only pin the vpn ip nothing else, same profile on 18.04 no isue)
[17:08] <ruser> what's a good way to trackdown which package is held back  and causing the dep hell?
[17:08] <bnm123> sruli: the format used can be user:pass irrc
[17:08] <bnm123> sruli: no sorry
[17:09] <lordcirth> ruser, can you pastebin your error messages?
[17:09] <bnm123> sruli: user, with password on the nextline
[17:09] <ruser> lordcirth: no UI so that's kinda hard :/
[17:09] <lordcirth> ruser, | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:09] <ruser> woot
[17:09] <lordcirth> Great site
[17:09] <ruser> stand by
[17:09] <bnm123> sruli: stuff them into a credentails file (eg. pass.txt), make sure pass.txt reside in the same dir as ur ovpn config files
[17:09] <gambl0r3> if i install using entire disk, ubuntu will create partitions /dev/sda1 and /dev/sda2?
[17:09] <sruli> bnm123: do i need to refernce it in the config file?
[17:10] <bnm123> sruli: in ur ovpn config file, make sure "auth-user-pass pass.txt" is in there
[17:10] <sruli> ok
[17:10] <bnm123> replace pass.txt with whatever you chose to name the file containing username/pwd pair
[17:10] <lordcirth> gambl0r3, sorry, I don't remember. I never do auto.
[17:10] <bnm123> grambl0r3: that is correct, if I recall right
[17:11] <gambl0r3> the reason im doing a reinstall of ubuntu is because all of a sudden i was unable to bootup anymore. it got stuck at the logo screen
[17:11] <ruser> lordcirth: http://termbin.com/n5jj
[17:11] <gambl0r3> it was something to do with /sbin/init not being found on my computer. how could this have happened?
[17:11] <ruser> that was  apt-get -f install
[17:11] <bnm123> grambl0r3: that is, if you're opting for full disk encryption and lvm, I can't rmb what the layout is without FDE/lvm
[17:12] <lordcirth> gambl0r3, probably because it couldn't mount /
[17:12] <gambl0r3> bnm123, im not using lvm. i read it adds too much complexity
[17:12] <gambl0r3> lordcirth, yea but how could that have happened? i never mess around with the os
[17:12] <lordcirth> gambl0r3, hard drive failure? Power outage during an update?
[17:12] <sruli> gambl0r3: i found that lvm adds flexibility witout any complexity
[17:12] <bnm123> gambl0r3: it really doesn't, end users won't even notice the difference
[17:13] <lordcirth> ruser, it looks kinda like the do-release-upgrade got interrupted. Did it say it completed?
[17:13] <gambl0r3> lordcirth, sometimes i would have to force shutdown and my computer would boot into initrmfs mode. then i would have to run fsck on my partition. could this have been an issue?
[17:13] <lordcirth> If you aren't tinkering with your partitions, how it's partitioned really doesn't matter.
[17:14] <lordcirth> gambl0r3, that sounds related, yes. That's a very bad sign.
[17:14] <gambl0r3> what does it mean if its boots into initrmfs? it might have happened to me maybe 4-5 times
[17:14] <OerHeks> good sign, don't shutdown your machine like that
[17:14] <ruser> lordcirth:  i cna't recall if it's completed, it asked for a reboot which happened.  How do i resume?
[17:14] <gambl0r3> i had no choice. my computer was completely frozen
[17:15] <lordcirth> gambl0r3, right, but whatever caused the freeze was an issue that you should have troubleshooted before this happened.
[17:15] <ruser> dpkg  --configure -a is not helping either  (@ lordcirth )
[17:15] <gambl0r3> lordcirth, it was because my ram was full...
[17:15] <lordcirth> ruser, you could try do-release-upgrade again?
[17:15] <OerHeks> perform a memtest86 run, to see if it is a memory issue
[17:15] <gambl0r3> i finally figured out after installing htop
[17:16] <ruser> lordcirth: yes, it fails with dependencies, but hold on
[17:16] <lordcirth> gambl0r3, you frequently filled up your RAM, enough to cause oom-killer, and had no swap?
[17:16] <lordcirth> And yeah, memtest86 wouldn't hurt
[17:16] <gambl0r3> when i checked the processes, it was all firefox
[17:16] <OerHeks> no swap.. ohhhhhhhhhh
[17:16] <gambl0r3> lordcirth, where do i setup swap?
[17:16] <gambl0r3> in htop it showed that i had 2gb swap
[17:17] <lordcirth> gambl0r3, and that was full too?
[17:17] <gambl0r3> no
[17:17] <gambl0r3> i cant remember actually
[17:18] <lordcirth> gambl0r3, if your swap wasn't full, your computer would not have crashed due to low mem
[17:18] <lordcirth> It would have slowed down a lot, though.
[17:18] <gambl0r3> maybe it was full then
[17:18] <lordcirth> gambl0r3, how much RAM do you have?
[17:18] <ruser> lordcirth: http://termbin.com/wd9x
[17:18] <gambl0r3> lordcirth, my computer never crashed
[17:18] <bnm123> how much ram do you have?
[17:18] <lordcirth> gambl0r3, then what forced you to reboot all the time?
[17:18] <gambl0r3> it was just extremely slow to the point where nothing worked basically
[17:19] <lordcirth> gambl0r3, so, probably swap. Ok
[17:19] <gambl0r3> lordcirth, it wasnt all the time. it happened like once a month
[17:19] <bnm123> I had the same issue with Ubuntu 18, but was doing heavy compilation
[17:19] <sruli> bnm123: where do i set my dns servers when connecting with openvpn directly?
[17:19] <lordcirth> ruser, well, that's bad. Are you sure you have nowhere to back up /home to for a reinstall? Is your internet too slow?
[17:20] <bnm123> sruli: it's common for dns to be handled by your provider, depending
[17:20] <ruser> lordcirth: help me interpret that error?  Am i correct that apt failed the update somehow?   can i attempt a downgrade?  yes, internet is 1mbps up :(
[17:21] <sruli> bnm123: how can i check the connection detail (inc dns)
[17:21] <bnm123> sruli: use something like dnsleaktest
[17:21] <sruli> leftyfb: connecting directly with openvpn i can ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:21] <lordcirth> ruser, it looks like the do-release-upgrade tools are version-mismatched with the libraries they depend upon.
[17:21] <sruli> bnm123: my dns is not working so i cant ;-)
[17:22] <ruser> lordcirth: say i get .deb for the tools? will that work?
[17:22] <bnm123> sruli: i came in late so i missed ur earlier messages, what is the entire issue?
[17:22] <Pinchiukas> Seriously, what the hell? https://i.imgur.com/v0iYZIQ.png
[17:22] <ruser> ( i have no idea what goes into tools)
[17:23] <lordcirth> ruser, I have no idea how to fix this. I would buy an external hard drive for backups, because you should have that anyway, and reinstall. Sorry.
[17:23] <ruser> lordcirth:  i mean that's fair, thanks
[17:23] <gambl0r3> installation is complete. i have only one partition /dev/sda1
[17:23] <ruser> lordcirth:  is there way to get an image and chroot into it for clean reinstall but ask it to leave /home intact?
[17:24] <bnm123> gambl0r3: are you booted into your fresh install?
[17:24] <lordcirth> ruser, is /home a separate partition?
[17:24] <sruli> bnm123: in short the issue was when i connected using NM i could only ping the vpn server (and local network), but for testing is seems that connecting directly with openvpn i can ping wan ip's but i do not have dns now, not sure why testing on a live usb at the moment, so wondering if/where i should add dns config
[17:24] <ruser> lordcirth: let me check, but i don't think so.  (unless  default insatll asks for it to be separate)
[17:24] <lordcirth> If it is, yes. If it's not, you could *try* deleting everything other than /home, then choosing it as / with no reformat.  But I would not do it without backups.
[17:25] <ruser> lordcirth: sadly - nope  just one giant /
[17:25] <gambl0r3> lordcirth, no doesnt seem like it
[17:25] <gambl0r3> bnm123, yes fresh install
[17:26] <lordcirth> gambl0r3, I was talking to someone else. Is all one partition a problem? I usually do that.
[17:26] <gambl0r3> lordcirth, well before i had /dev/sda1 and /dev/sda2
[17:26] <gambl0r3> so its not an issue?
[17:26] <bnm123> gambl0r3: that makes no sense
[17:27] <gambl0r3> bnm123, what?
[17:27] <bnm123> gambl0r3: you're saying you only have a single partition
[17:27] <gambl0r3> when i do fdisk -l
[17:27] <gambl0r3> it shows only /dev/sda1
[17:27] <lordcirth> gambl0r3, one partition is fine, I do that all the time.
[17:27] <lordcirth> Especially as 18.04 uses a swap file by default
[17:28] <bnm123> is boot part of your big fat partition?
[17:29] <gambl0r3> bnm123, seems like it i guess
[17:29] <bnm123> oh that makes sense
[17:29] <gambl0r3> i have one partition so everything must be all there
[17:30] <bnm123> sruli: what does /etc/resolv.conf show? Is it symlinked to anything?
[17:31] <ruser> lordcirth: if i were able to get on faster internet connection, is there a place i can backup 7gigs?
[17:31] <gambl0r3> lordcirth, so is swap setup autmatically or do i have to do that?
[17:31] <bnm123> ruser: there are plenty of cloud solutions (many of which are self-hostable)
[17:31] <lordcirth> ruser, google drive gives 15GB free iirc
[17:31] <ruser> lordcirth: what's a good way to backup /home if i was able to place another machine on lan?    i might be able to borrow a win7 machine
[17:31] <bnm123> gambl0r3: what does sudo swapon -s show?
[17:32] <gambl0r3> how do i check if swap is setup? i want to make sure my computer never comes to a crawl ever again
[17:32] <ruser> how would one connect to google drive considering that i can't install packages at the moment?
[17:32] <lordcirth> gambl0r3, free -m
[17:32] <bnm123> ruser: tar /home
[17:32] <lordcirth> ruser, yeah, tar.gz /home and upload through browser. Possibly sharding the file to make it more reliable.
[17:33] <ruser> ui is broken too, can't run a browser :(
[17:33] <sruli> bnm123: i have resolv.conf.d but not resolv.conf
[17:33] <gambl0r3> https://pastebin.com/74AT6pMn
[17:33] <ruser> i suppose i can try to scp from a win  machine with putty
[17:33] <bnm123> ruser: do you have means of communicating between the 2 machines? using a physical device?
[17:34] <bnm123> ruser: if not you can tar /home, and use scp to transfer over to the windows machine
[17:34] <sruli> bnm123: sorry i do have its symlinked to ../run/resolvconf/resolv.conf
[17:34] <lordcirth> ruser, yeah, note that tar.gz, then scp will be a lot faster than scp'ing recursively
[17:34] <sruli> bnm123: and that has for name server ip of localhost
[17:35] <sruli> <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:35] <bnm123> sruli: try removing the current /etc/resolv.conf/ and symlinking /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf to /etc/resolv.conf
[17:35] <ruser> bnm123: no external media at the moment.  but i can probably get something on LAN
[17:35] <bnm123> sruli: so sudo rm -v /etc/resolv.conf && sudo ln -s /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf /etc/resolv.conf
[17:36] <bnm123> ruser: it's easy enough if they
[17:36] <sruli> bnm123: dont know if u missed my last message, its already symlinked
[17:36] <bnm123> they're on the same LAN
[17:36] <bnm123> sruli: think you misread
[17:37] <sruli> lol ok, will symlink again
[17:38] <Pinchiukas> Why can't kubuntu be decent even in a default install, 5 minutes in?
[17:39] <sruli> bnm123: done, reconnected still no dns
[17:40] <bnm123> sruli: what's your provider?
[17:40] <sruli> bnm123: nordvpn, however on 18.04 with same profiles i am having no issues
[17:42] <bnm123> sruli: right, just to check, what's in your /etc/resolv.conf atm?
[17:42] <BluesKaj> systemd dns can be permanent in /etc/systemd/resolved.conf..../etc/resolv.conf gets overwritten by NM
[17:44] <sruli> bnm123: resolv.conf has nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:45] <sruli> BluesKaj: stsemd/resolv.conf has dns entries but all commented out
[17:46] <BluesKaj> uncomment them, if you enterd them
[17:47] <ruser> is there way to run a cleaninstall from a semifuncitoning system?   would mount .iso?  chroot?  thing work?
[17:47] <BluesKaj> bbl ...errands for afew mins
[17:49] <ruser>  again, issues of no media :/
[17:49] <bnm123> sruli: if that doesn't work you can just rm -rfv /etc/resolv.conf (removing the associated symlink), re-create /etc/resolv.conf, and populate it with a dns server (eg. google, clouflare, quad9, or even nordvpn's (<IP_ADDRESS>/<IP_ADDRESS>))
[17:50] <ezio> Any audio snobs here know of any earbuds where the sound quality doesn't suck?
[17:50] <bnm123> ezio: wrong channel?
[17:51] <ezio> ... that work in ubuntu? :)
[17:51] <ruser> lol
[17:52] <sruli> bnm123: i just edited it and put in NS works now, thanks, if i will move over to using this method to connect i need to learn alot about it quickly, such as how to connect silently and get output to see if its connected and how to watch for if is disconnects
[17:52]  * bnm123 whispers DO NOT gets airpods
[17:52] <sruli> bnm123: hear you LOUD and clear ;_0
[17:53] <bnm123> sruli: doing it manually is ok, once you see something along the lines of "initialization sequence complete" you're connected
[17:53] <ezio> Hell no.  Didn't even consider it for a moment.  I want something that sounds like I'm listening to a my home hi-fi.  I was only recently shown the difference, and now I can't unhear it.
[17:53] <sruli> bnm123: i have to do it scripted
[17:54] <bnm123> sruli: slightly off topic, but consider a fail switch if you're on the paranoid end, to avoid failing open
[17:54] <bnm123> kill switch*
[17:54] <sruli> bnm123: my iptables is set for it
[17:54] <bnm123> you're good :)
[17:57] <sruli> bnm123: how would you connect to it using bash and disown once connected? also how wo i monitor it to reconnect if it goes down, been using nm-displatcher scripts upto now
[17:58] <bnm123> sruli: you can connect to it using the openvpn command
[17:58] <bnm123> sruli: to disrupt, ctrl+c
[17:58] <sruli> bnm123: i hav eto script it, cannot do it manually
[17:58] <bnm123> sruli: you can just dump the entire command into your script
[17:59] <bnm123> something like "sudo openvpn --cd $CONFIG_PATH --config $CONFIG_NAME", set the variables appropriately ofc
[17:59] <qwebirc37004> I'm having a networking config issue -- my local network is <IP_ADDRESS>, and somehow my lo0 interface has been configured with this network as well as the ethernet interface.  Where might this be being configured and how do I change it?
[18:00] <sruli> bnm123: yes but need it to either run in the background and wait for a response so my script knows its connected or run silently (no output) and get a response somehow
[18:00] <blackflow> qwebirc37004: first guess, some .network unit that's lacking a [Match] so all ifaces got configured the same
[18:01] <bnm123> sruli: no easy way to do that, but if you really want to, you can make use of a notification daemon on successful connect (eg. notifyd)
[18:01] <qwebirc37004> backflow: I'm not very familiar with this aspect of ubuntu.  What is a .network unit and where do the config files for it live?  This is a part of systemd I'm guessing?
[18:01] <sruli> bnm123: where do i find the return codes of openvpn?
[18:02] <blackflow> qwebirc37004: yes, in /etc/systemd/network/   . Which Ubuntu is this?
[18:02] <lordcirth> qwebirc37004, /etc/systemd/network or /run/systemd/network
[18:02] <qwebirc37004> blackflow: 18.04, it's been upgraded from 16.04
[18:03] <blackflow> qwebirc37004: 18.04 now has netplan as config abstraction, but I don't know what happens with that on upgrade. is there something in /etc/netplan/ and can you pastebin it?
[18:03] <ioria> qwebirc37004, then check/etc/network/interfaces
[18:03] <blackflow> qwebirc37004: also is there a lefto.... yeah that, e/n/i
[18:03] <qwebirc37004> blackflow: I think that this is the problem.  I recently used this thing called algo to set up a VPN, and it dropped a file in there: [Match] Name=lo  [Network] Label=lo:100 Address=<IP_ADDRESS>/32 Address=FCAA::1/64
[18:03] <ioria> qwebirc37004, in theory, you still have the old 16.04 config standing
[18:04] <bnm123> sruli: my google fu is failing me, and I doubt you would want to test all conditons and doing "echo $?"
[18:04] <blackflow> qwebirc37004: that's just vile. criminal activity :)
[18:04] <sruli> bnm123: i found --script-security 2 --up /path/to/your/script
[18:05] <qwebirc37004> blackflow: I suppose I'll try just deleting that file, it seems to only affect the lo interface.  It's weird though I don't see that interface in ifconfig
[18:05] <bnm123> sruli: yes, I use a custom script using notify-send to accomplish that effect
[18:06] <sruli> bnm123: notify-send montors what?
[18:06] <sruli> \\monitors
[18:06] <blackflow> qwebirc37004: ifconfig is dead, please use `ip`. Yeah, remove that file unless you're still using that VPN but that's just teribad configuration. It should be done with tun and tap devices, not coercing lo into non-localhost range
[18:07] <blackflow> qwebirc37004: in addition, you might wish to bring the network config in line to what's default in Bionic, which is netplan.
[18:07] <qwebirc37004> blackflow: I am trying to use the VPN.  This was supposed to be the easy way of getting it setup  Algo is based on strongswan
[18:07] <qwebirc37004> blackflow: how would I bring it in line with netplan?
[18:07] <blackflow> qwebirc37004: I don't know what "algo" is, but doing that to lo is just.... Nope.
[18:07] <bnm123> sruli: im not sure how it works on a technical level
[18:07] <blackflow> qwebirc37004: that's a desktop?
[18:08] <qwebirc37004> blackflow: https://blog.trailofbits.com/2016/12/12/meet-algo-the-vpn-that-works/
[18:08]  * blackflow shakes head
[18:08] <sruli> bnm123: what does ur script monitor?
[18:08] <qwebirc37004> blackflow: it's a server on the local network.  What I'm trying to do is be able to VPN into it from a remote location to be able to do samba and NFS
[18:09] <blackflow> qwebirc37004: then I'm not sure I'd be willing to guide you into reconfiguring all that mess, if that VPN works for you...
[18:10] <bnm123> sruli: succesful firewall dns address translation
[18:10] <qwebirc37004> blackflow: I don't expect hand holding for free, just trying to get some pointers.  I knew how to do all of this stuff back in the nineties, but it has gotten way different and more complicated
[18:11] <blackflow> qwebirc37004: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-set-up-an-openvpn-server-on-ubuntu-18-04
[18:20] <sruli> bnm123: gtg thanks for ur help
[18:20] <bnm123> sruli: welcome
[18:31] <Ale307> can someone help me about a video issue?
[18:32] <pragmaticenigma> !ask | Ale307
[18:32] <ruser> is there a way to just mount .iso and run clean ubuntu install from my semifunctioning system? (i don't have media :( )
[18:33] <leftyfb> ruser: not easily, no
[18:34] <ruser> i  was able to do that years ago , mount and chroot (i think?) did something change  significantly?
[18:36] <GJdan> CRodrig: hello
[18:42] <leftyfb> GJdan: can we help you with something?
[18:43] <GJdan> leftyfb: No thank you!  I was just greeting someone I know who has joined the channel
[18:45] <HellFire> ruser: you could add the netinstall to the GRUB menu, then boot that: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/NetbootInstallFromInternet
[18:45] <ruser> HellFire: ooo, that's cool thanks.
[18:45] <HellFire> another option is to resize a partition, then boot the live CD from HDD: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromLinux
[18:45] <ruser> except... my apt is broken lol
[18:47] <ruser> great, looks like debootstrap is not installed :(
[18:49] <ioria> ruser, you just need the mini.iso , set /etc/grub.d/40_custom ; update grub and reboot
[18:50] <ruser> ioria: that looks promissing, what needs to be done to 40_custom?
[18:50] <ioria> ruser, you set the iso_path; the initrd and the kernel
[18:52] <ioria> ruser, some examples here : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot
[18:52] <ruser> ioria:  does it need it's own partition?  or just any path from / will do?
[18:52] <ioria> just the path
[18:52] <ioria> ruser, you cannot boot in efi mode btw
[18:53] <ruser> ioria:   i can't apt anything right now - it's broken  is the grml neccessary? or can i do something like: https://www.linuxbabe.com/debian/boot-debian-9-iso-from-hard-drive-grub2
[18:53] <ioria> ruser, why you need apt for that?
[18:54] <ruser> ioria:  what you link seems to suggest i need sudo apt-get install grml-rescueboot
[18:54] <ruser>  perhaps i need to read it in more detail
[18:54] <ioria> ruser, nope
[18:54] <ruser> yeah, looks like i didn't scroll far enough
[18:54] <ioria> ruser, i said 'you'
[18:54] <ioria> you just need the mini.iso , set /etc/grub.d/40_custom ; update grub and reboot
[18:55] <ioria> ruser, the link you posted is good
[18:55] <ruser> ioria: thanks
[18:55] <ruser> much obliged
[18:56] <ioria> ruser, maybe an error inthere: it's not vmlinuz but linuz
[18:57] <ioria> ruser, mount the iso and check the content
[18:58] <braniac> anyone know how to move the taskbar in ubuntu from the left to the bottom
[18:58] <lotuspsychje> braniac: system settings
[18:59] <ruser> menuentry "Ubuntu 12.04.2 ISO" {
[18:59] <ruser>         set isofile="/home/<username>/Downloads/ubuntu-12.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso"
[18:59] <ruser>         # or set isofile="/<username>/Downloads/ubuntu-12.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso"
[18:59] <ruser>         # if you use a single partition for your $HOME
[18:59] <ruser>         loopback loop (hd0,5)$isofile
[18:59] <ruser>         linux (loop)/casper/vmlinuz.efi boot=casper iso-scan/filename=$isofile noprompt noeject
[19:00] <braniac> ok found it is there a way to change the show applications button to the left hand side
[19:00] <braniac> lotuspsychje
[19:01] <lotuspsychje> braniac: dont think you can reverse that on gnome, maybe a gnome extension?
[19:01] <ruser> sorry, that was a misclick!
[19:02] <lotuspsychje> ruser: 12.04 is end of life right
[19:02] <ruser> lotuspsychje: i was copying a sample,  getting LTS
[19:02] <lotuspsychje> oh kk
[19:02] <ruser> thanks for the headshup :)
[19:05] <ruser> ioria: what determines hd0,5 in the link you posted?
[19:05] <ruser> whops, apparently i should read
[19:07] <braniac> can anyone help me with this
[19:07] <braniac> or try it cause i cant get it
[19:07] <braniac><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:08] <ruser> ioria:  actually i'm not clear.  my current grub.cfg entries are doing set root='hd0,msdos1'
[19:08] <braniac> (process:25436): dconf-WARNING **: 14:08:20.025: failed to commit changes to dconf: The connection is closed
[19:08] <braniac>  <[19:11] <ioria> ruser,  loopback loop (hdx,x)$isofile  ; if not sure, try different numbers/combinations
[19:14] <ruser> ioria:  i need to point it to root, yes? it my case lsblk is pointing at ├─sda1   8:1    0  91.2G  0 part /
[19:16] <braniac> lotuspsychje
[19:16] <braniac> did u try it
[19:16] <braniac> I tried it and it did not work
[19:18] <xyz111> Hi All, I'm trying to install curl with "sudo apt install curl", however I get the following error message: "curl : Depends: libcurl3-gnutls (= 7.47.0-1ubuntu2) but 7.47.0-1ubuntu2.8 is to be installed" . How can I fix this? Thanks!
[19:19] <braniac> xyz111 i found that if your read the readme or install file it helps
[19:19] <braniac> alot of these softwares require dependencies to work
[19:20] <braniac> also google search helps out alot
[19:20] <braniac> whats curl do anyways
[19:20] <ioria> ruser,  yes, try that
[19:21] <xyz111> braniac: I understand that, however it appears that one dependency is required in place of another
[19:21] <xyz111> both dependencies look rather similar, so I'm not sure why apt is getting confused
[19:22] <braniac>  curl is powered by  libcurl  for  all  transfer-related  features.  See
[19:22] <braniac>        libcurl(3) for details.
[19:22] <lordcirth> xyz111, what does apt say if you do 'sudo apt install libcurl3-gnutls' ?
[19:22] <lordcirth> braniac, this is not a curl-specific problem
[19:22] <xyz111> lordcirth: libcurl3-gnutls is already the newest version (7.47.0-1ubuntu2.8).
[19:23] <lordcirth> xyz111, ok. Have you done an 'apt update' recently?
[19:23] <xyz111> I have, but I'll do it again to be sure
[19:23] <braniac> i installed it just fine
[19:23] <braniac> looks complicated to use tho
[19:23] <braniac> the man is huge on this one
[19:23] <braniac> lol
[19:24] <ruser> ioria:  i get this when running upgrade-grub, should i be worried? Warning: Setting GRUB_TIMEOUT to a non-zero value when GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT is set is no longer supported.
[19:24] <ruser> ioria: also i don't see it reporting my iso as "found"
[19:24] <jeremy31> ruser: It is just a warning, doesn't hurt anything
[19:24] <braniac> can anyone get this going<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:24] <xyz111> lordcirth: I got the following upon running 'apt update': 2 packages can be upgraded
[19:25] <xyz111> do I just do 'apt upgrade' to do so?
[19:25] <lordcirth> xyz111, what Ubuntu version are you running, and did you upgrade it from a previous release?
[19:25] <xyz111> I'm using lubuntu 16.04 - fresh install
[19:25] <lordcirth> yes, apt upgrade will upgrade, but it probably won't fix the problem
[19:25] <ioria> ruser,  the first it's not an issue (iirc): the second, you made some mistake
[19:25] <ruser> should i be seeing the LTS iso  being "found"  after i updated /etc/grub.d/40_custom  and run grub-update?
[19:25] <ruser> ioria:  any idea how i can find out what mitake might be?
[19:26] <xyz111> lordcirth: I know it's a bit of an old release but it's the most stable one I've come across
[19:26] <ioria> ruser,  recheck again the path in 40_c
[19:26] <lordcirth> xyz111, 16.04 is still supported for 2 more years, yes.
[19:26] <xyz111> yeah
[19:26] <ruser> ioria:  set isofile="/home/user/install/ubuntu-18.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso"   and loopback loop (hd0,1)$isofile
[19:26] <lordcirth> xyz111, do you have any PPAs/extra repos enabled?
[19:27] <xyz111> yes I have the ondrej ppa for php and the graphics-drivers ppa for nvidia drivers
[19:27] <lordcirth> xyz111, ok, those *shouldn't* cause this problem
[19:28] <ioria> ruser,  paste the 40_custom file
[19:28] <xyz111> lordcirth: to be honest, I've used them in the past and have had no issues
[19:28] <braniac> someone hellllppp
[19:28] <braniac> lol
[19:28] <braniac> xyz111 just reinstall ubuntu latest version and get the curl app
[19:28] <xyz111> lordcirth: incidentally, I'm also struggling to install gimp
[19:28] <braniac> i literally just did it now and it worked flawlessly
[19:28] <lordcirth> xyz111, similar error message?
[19:29] <ruser> ioria: //termbin.com/ewt6
[19:29] <lordcirth> braniac, he shouldn't have to upgrade to 18.04 to get curl.
[19:29] <xyz111> lordcirth: gimp : Depends: libgegl-0.3-0 (>= 0.3.0) but it is not going to be installed
[19:29] <the_actor> I am having problems with setting up two factor authentication for SSH using pam_google_authenticator.so. I am using a fresh install of Ubuntu LTS and can’t seem to get PAM to work well with SSH. The minute I systemctrl reload ssh.service the SSH login prompt looks different and fails regardless of input. Been using this
[19:29] <the_actor> guide.https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.linuxbabe.com/ubuntu/two-factor-authentication-ssh-key-ubuntu-18-04/amp
[19:29] <lordcirth> xyz111, does 'sudo apt install -f' do anything?
[19:29] <ioria> ruser, not sure you can use efi
[19:29] <xyz111> just sudo apt install -f ? do I need to add the package name?
[19:30] <ioria> ruser, and there is no casperon mini.iso
[19:30] <xyz111> lordcirth: 0 to upgrade, 0 to newly install, 0 to remove and 0 not to upgrade.
[19:30] <ioria> ruser, it's wrong
[19:30] <lordcirth> xyz111, no package name. It means 'fix'. hmm.
[19:30] <ruser> ioria:  i havne't been keeping up with bios and boot modes.  page you linked does list efi as an example.   also this is a full //releases.ubuntu.com/18.04.2/ubuntu-18.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso
[19:31] <ruser> i can mount and see if casper is there probably
[19:31] <lordcirth> xyz111, try apt install libgegl-0.3-0 , what does it say?
[19:31] <noraatepernos> Can anyone suggest a solid hardware option like the Meerkat by System76? Is there a go-to small pc for Ubuntu?
[19:31] <xyz111> lordcirth: libgegl-0.3-0 : Depends: libumfpack5.7.1 but it is not going to be installed
[19:31] <leftyfb> !ot | noraatepernos
[19:31] <ruser> ioria:  this iso definitely has casper in it
[19:32] <lordcirth> xyz111, keep going, trying to install the thing it says it won't install, until it tells you why.
[19:32] <lordcirth> Eventually it should tell you exactly why it won't/can't install that
[19:33] <xyz111> lordcirth: libgfortran3 : Depends: gcc-5-base (= 5.3.1-14ubuntu2) but 5.4.0-6ubuntu1~16.04.11 is to be installed
[19:34] <ioria> ruser, i told you mini.iso
[19:34] <ruser> ioria:  if i start with full i386 image and ignore .efi would that work?
[19:34] <ioria> nope
[19:34] <ioria> ruser, i told you mini.iso at start
[19:34] <lordcirth> xyz111, well that's interesting.
[19:34] <xyz111> lordcirth: when I do 'sudo apt-get install gcc-5-base' I get: gcc-5-base is already the newest version (5.4.0-6ubuntu1~16.04.11).
[19:34] <ruser> ioria: mmm, will i be able to configure  wifi with mini?
[19:34] <jeremy31> ruser, you did change the name in 40_custom to ubuntu-18.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso
[19:34] <ioria> ruser, why are you booting the desktop iso ?
[19:34] <lordcirth> xyz111, yes, libfortran is requesting an *older* gcc version
[19:35] <lordcirth> xyz111, can you please pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list, and anything in /etc/apt/sources.list.d? thanks
[19:35] <ruser> ioria:  i'll switch to mini.iso     but why can't one do a full desktop?
[19:35] <xyz111> lordcirth: sure - 2 mins
[19:35] <ruser> ioria: i'd like to do reintall but will need to config wifi somehow, LAN cable is unavalable
[19:35] <ioria> because it simply does not work
[19:36] <ruser> ioria: i was not aware of that
[19:36] <ioria> ruser, why it's unavailable ?
[19:36] <ruser> perhaps i can save my wifi config  somehow? (idk where it is stored, i used desktop to configure it a while)
[19:36] <ioria> ruser, you don't have a media; you don't have lan cable...
[19:36] <lordcirth> ruser, why do you need a complex wifi config? Is it Eduroam or something?
[19:37] <ruser> lordcirth:  i don't, but i guess i'm asking where can i see settings so  i can use it when running mini.iso
[19:37] <ruser> ioria:  because i'm in a public space with a laptop?
[19:38] <ioria> ruser, you can't use mini.iso without eth cable
[19:38] <ruser> so i can't use mini.iso without cable, and can't use grub to boot the full desktop.iso, is that correct?
[19:38] <ioria> you could
[19:39] <xyz111> lordcirth:
[19:39] <xyz111> cat /etc/apt/sources.list > https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/nzpkV6xmrK/
[19:39] <xyz111> cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* >  https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/kBStpsFnwR/
[19:40] <ioria> ruser, http://www.supergrubdisk.org/wiki/Loopback.cfg#How_do_you_use_a_loopback.cfg_to_boot_an_iso.3F
[19:40] <xyz111> lordcirth: I've included a list of files in the /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ directory also
[19:40] <lordcirth> xyz111, aha, I thought so! You have xenial-updates disabled
[19:40] <xyz111> ah, how do I enable them?
[19:40] <Bashing-om> ruser: I have not tested lately, but: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot <-Ubuntu ISOs are designed to allow booting directly from the hard drive using GRUB 2 and eliminates the need for burning a CD/DVD.
[19:40] <ruser> ioria: i changed it to mini.iso upgrade-grub still not reporting it
[19:41] <ioria> ruser, no use without a cable
[19:41] <ruser> ioria:  well, i want to make sure i can get it to run later with the cable
[19:41] <ruser> if i can't solve it
[19:42] <lordcirth> xyz111, cp /etc/apt/sources.list somewhere just in case, then replace it with this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/r7FSMtTvnq/
[19:42] <lordcirth> Then do apt update && apt full-upgrade
[19:43] <xyz111> lordcirth: this isn't going to kill my machine, is it?
[19:43] <xyz111> :P
[19:43] <lordcirth> xyz111, it might be a massive update, and you'll probably need to reboot
[19:44] <ruser> ioria:  on top of that the page you linked looks like  it allows for  the  efi?  and lists a sample?
[19:44] <ioria> ruser, mini.iso has a different setup
[19:44] <lordcirth> obviously look at what apt wants to do, don't let it go removing everything
[19:44] <ruser> ioria:  no efi?
[19:44] <ioria> ruser, nope; i suggest you to mount mini.iso and check the linuz and initrd files
[19:44] <ruser> wilco
[19:44] <xyz111> lordcirth: ok
[19:45] <xyz111> lordcirth: giving it a shot now
[19:45] <ruser> ioria:  you sir are correct, no casper
[19:46] <lordcirth> xyz111, by the way, I just took the /etc/apt/sources.list that I run on tons of machines at work and replaced it with your GB mirror.
[19:47] <xyz111> lordcirth: understood - I appreciate your help
[19:47] <xyz111> it's just downloading the updates now
[19:47] <lordcirth> xyz111, no problem
[19:47] <xyz111> what are the chances this will fix the issues?
[19:50] <ruser> ioria:  changed as per discussion, still not being reported..  here is the 40_   https://termbin.com/bn26
[19:50] <ruser> idk what am i doing wrong :(
[19:50] <ruser> oh, maybe boot=casper
[19:50] <ruser> what's the appropriate line?
[19:50] <lordcirth> xyz111, pretty high, I've seen this a few times before