[03:16] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[04:17] <akemhp_> Hey.
[09:32] <marcoagpinto> [10:29] <marcoagpinto> I spoke with my boss and she "offered" the two weekends left of this month until I go to the doctor
[10:26] <EoflaOE> Hello marcoagpinto
[10:30] <marcoagpinto> Hi
[10:34] <EoflaOE> How are you marcoagpinto?
[10:35] <marcoagpinto> I am depressed... what else is new?
[10:35] <marcoagpinto> and you?
[10:35] <marcoagpinto> :)
[10:36] <EoflaOE> I am excited to see that I have fixed the chat function so it works properly, like in text-based messages.
[10:36] <EoflaOE> messaging*
[10:43] <EoflaOE> marcoagpinto: I have to study and come back.
[10:45] <marcoagpinto> oki
[10:45] <marcoagpinto> :)
[11:50] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:55] <marcoagpinto> BluesKaj! Hello!
[11:56] <BluesKaj> hi marcoagpinto
[15:20] <EoflaOE> marcoagpinto: I am back
[15:20] <EoflaOE> And hello BluesKaj
[15:23] <marcoagpinto> EoflaOE: !!!!
[15:24] <EoflaOE> marcoagpinto!!!
[15:26] <EoflaOE> How are you?
[15:27] <marcoagpinto> well, I am here
[15:27] <marcoagpinto> :)
[15:27] <marcoagpinto> I tried to lie down a bit but can't sleep
[15:27] <marcoagpinto> :)
[15:30] <EoflaOE> marcoagpinto: Do you know that I have fixed the chat function taking turns?
[15:30] <marcoagpinto> the what?
[15:31] <EoflaOE> The chat program that runs server-side on KS (networked debugger)
[15:32] <marcoagpinto> :)
[15:33] <EoflaOE> However, I am releasing it now. After few minutes, you should be able to install the new version.
[15:33] <marcoagpinto> how?
[15:33] <marcoagpinto> in Ubuntu?
[15:33] <marcoagpinto> I have the other laptop in the closet since I should be at work on the weekend
[15:34] <EoflaOE> If you are going to install it through Ubuntu, install Mono Runtime and the dependencies listed on KS's README.md on GitHub.
[15:34] <marcoagpinto> :)
[15:35] <marcoagpinto> my VMs are in the other laptop, inside the closet
[15:35] <EoflaOE> After it, navigate to the directory that has "Kernel Simulator.exe" in it, and run mono "Kernel Simulator.exe".
[15:42] <marcoagpinto> OerHeks!!!!
[15:43] <OerHeks> hi marco
[15:43] <marcoagpinto> Hello
[16:16] <EoflaOE> marcoagpinto: The new version is now published.
[16:24] <marcoagpinto> :)
[16:24] <marcoagpinto> good to know
[16:30] <EoflaOE> Yes.
[16:32] <OerHeks> awesome game, popey https://snapcraft.io/bombsquad
[16:38] <EoflaOE> OerHeks I know it for a very long time
[16:39] <popey> It is awesome
[16:40] <EoflaOE> marcoagpinto: Ubuntu 19.10 beta will be out for a few days. Do you want to try the beta out when it's out?
[17:14] <marcoagpinto> sorry... I was bathing, then I tried to reply and got disconnected
[17:14] <marcoagpinto> EoflaOE: I only use Ubuntu for Proofing Tool GUI (compile + test)
[17:14] <marcoagpinto> :)
[17:14] <marcoagpinto> and I have a VM just for Tor to use in xhamster
[17:14] <marcoagpinto> :)
[17:15] <daftykins> that's... not appropriate
[17:15] <marcoagpinto> I know
[17:15] <marcoagpinto> :)
[17:15] <marcoagpinto> it is the truth
[17:15] <marcoagpinto> sorry for telling you
[17:18] <daftykins> have a read of the channel topic again
[17:18] <marcoagpinto> yes
[17:18] <marcoagpinto> sorry
[17:18] <marcoagpinto> I am sorry
[17:19] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[17:19] <marcoagpinto> hello lordievader
[17:19] <marcoagpinto> lotuspsychje
[17:19] <lotuspsychje> hi
[17:21] <EoflaOE> Good evening lotuspsychje
[17:21] <lotuspsychje> hey EoflaOE
[17:21] <EoflaOE> How are you?
[17:21] <lotuspsychje> all good on this side of the world
[17:34] <marcoagpinto> What is ZSTD?
[17:34] <marcoagpinto> "NEW! Experience better Zipx Compression
[17:34] <marcoagpinto>     Compress your Zipx files smaller and faster. WinZip’s new compression method for Zipx format is based on ZSTD. That means you can use it to compress and decompress many file types faster, while achieving compression rates better than DEFLATE and DEFLATE64."
[17:34] <marcoagpinto> I tried v24 and I got the same filesize?
[17:34] <marcoagpinto> what does Ubuntu use?
[17:43] <daftykins> nobody uses winzip :D
[17:44] <marcoagpinto> yes, but "ZSTD"?
[17:45] <marcoagpinto> :)
[17:50] <daftykins> uninteresting
[17:51] <marcoagpinto> ohhhhhh
[17:51] <marcoagpinto> :(
[18:13] <JanC> ZSTD is more commonly used for compressed filesystems & such
[18:13] <marcoagpinto> JanC: ohhhhhh... what is the highest compression available?
[18:15] <JanC> I'm not sure Ubuntu uses ZSTD for .deb packages now (it was proposed some years ago)
[18:15] <JanC> marcoagpinto: compression like xz will get you better compression, but it's also much slower
[18:16] <marcoagpinto> ohhhhhhhhh...
[18:16] <marcoagpinto> :)
[18:16] <marcoagpinto> xz?
[18:16] <marcoagpinto> should I suggest to WinZip developers?
[18:17] <marcoagpinto> I had a .zipx of my homepage with V23, then installed V24 and compressed and they are identical in size
[18:17] <tomreyn> https://community.centminmod.com/threads/round-3-compression-comparison-benchmarks-zstd-vs-brotli-vs-pigz-vs-bzip2-vs-xz-etc.17259/
[18:17] <marcoagpinto> ohhhhhh
[18:17] <marcoagpinto> tomreyn!!!! Let me check!!!!
[18:18] <tomreyn> i'm not sure how useful those benchmarks are, not really into compression.
[18:18] <EoflaOE> I have to sleep marcoagpinto. Good night
[18:19] <marcoagpinto> oki
[18:19] <marcoagpinto> take care EoflaOE!
[18:19] <marcoagpinto> :)
[18:19] <marcoagpinto> sleep tight
[18:22] <marcoagpinto> ohhhhhhhh
[18:22] <marcoagpinto> tomreyn: pxz is the best
[18:22] <marcoagpinto> below it is the zstd
[18:22] <marcoagpinto> :(
[18:22] <tomreyn> for which use case?
[18:23] <marcoagpinto> the tables were too many, so I looked at the bottom graphic
[18:23] <marcoagpinto> time vs compression
[18:23] <OerHeks> i 'd like a fair compression with some recovery features
[18:23] <marcoagpinto> OerHeks: isn't recovery "codable"?
[18:24] <marcoagpinto> but the WinZip said that it now uses the ZSTD blah blah and it gets the same filesize?
[18:24] <marcoagpinto> :(
[18:24] <OerHeks> sure, but at cost of lower compression level
[18:25] <marcoagpinto> ohhhhhhhhh :(((((((((
[18:25] <OerHeks> "same filesizes".. i wonder if that is true for all formats.
[18:25] <OerHeks> video, audio, just code, text, ..
[18:26] <marcoagpinto> OerHeks: I only tried for my homepage
[18:26] <marcoagpinto> the .zipx is around 86 MB
[18:26] <marcoagpinto> I tried creating a new one with V24 and was exactly the same byes
[18:26] <marcoagpinto> bytes*
[18:27] <OerHeks> i did some compression for my old homepage too, from 1.7 mb https://www.dropbox.com/s/dw4bsbl16gtzxtd/Moon_Hypersaturated.jpg?dl=0
[18:27] <OerHeks> to 102 kb, without distortion https://www.dropbox.com/s/7xquh7dk8z1l3vv/Moonn.jpg?dl=0
[18:29] <marcoagpinto> OerHeks: I too noticed that my cellular makes photos 2MB (or is it 4MB) big, while Iphones make it 200-300 kB?
[18:29] <tomreyn> you need to take into account all of time, cpu, memory used to compress to a certain compression ratio, and also to decompress. for something like .deb distribution you could possibly accept somewhat higher time, CPU, RAM usage while compressing (centrally, on well equipped servers) while you'd need low resource consumption while decompressing on some (possibly badly equipped) client. 1 GB RAM is already way too much on the decompressing
[18:29] <tomreyn> end.
[18:29] <marcoagpinto> maybe they have a better codec?
[18:30] <marcoagpinto> and if iPhones have an enhanced codec, why doesn't Android uses it too?
[19:08] <JanC> marcoagpinto: photo file size depends on resolution & quality
[19:08] <JanC> codec also, but much less so
[19:10] <marcoagpinto> ohhhhh
[19:13] <akemhp> Now on linux i don't know why they always came with crazy names like rc.local instead of autoexec or something like that. Or textmode instead of multi-user.target, it's stuff you can't remember easly because it's not obvious.
[19:13] <akemhp> Like why do we have /etc it could be /config lots of weird linux naming.
[19:20] <marcoagpinto> JanC: just like photoshop, it reduces MBs long photos into a few kB without noticeable quality loss?
[19:20] <marcoagpinto> :)
[19:21] <marcoagpinto> there must be a special codec... I just don't know why it is not available to all software?
[19:23] <daftykins> there is no way iPhones are doing that
[19:23] <JanC> not if we are talking about converting JPEG to JPEG at the same resolution & quality
[19:24] <marcoagpinto> how?! why?! a few years ago a supermarket customer took a photo from me and it was very small?
[19:24] <marcoagpinto> JanC: yes, same resolution and not visible quality loss
[19:24] <JanC> dude, I have used Photoshop in the past and that's bullshit
[19:25] <marcoagpinto> the space background in my homepage... it was MB big and Robert used Photoshop to make it 150 kB or so
[19:25] <marcoagpinto> :)
[19:25] <marcoagpinto> I compared both images many years ago and I couldn't see a difference
[19:25] <daftykins> that's 100% rubbish
[19:25] <marcoagpinto> how?
[19:25] <marcoagpinto> :((((((((((
[19:26] <marcoagpinto> I tried to reduce it myself with PaintShopPro and at 150 kB it looked all damaged
[19:26] <marcoagpinto> how was he able to make it then?
[19:28] <daftykins> i don't believe the story being told
[19:28] <marcoagpinto> daftykins: what part don't you believe?
[19:28] <marcoagpinto> sorry for the grammar errors :)
[19:28] <JanC> well, the only possibility is if the original JPEG was pixel-perfect compared to the raw photo
[19:29] <marcoagpinto> JanC: ahhh... I didn't check pixel by pixel... I just opened both with paintshoppro and toggled between them... no differences
[19:29] <marcoagpinto> :)
[19:29] <marcoagpinto> I didn't see pixel by pixel
[19:29] <OerHeks> gimp does this pretty good, it gives an example when you drag the compression ratio
[19:30] <marcoagpinto> OerHeks: ahhhh... GIMP... I have been using it too for some tasks...
[19:30] <OerHeks> and had some options in a plugin, best for web ( format and ratio), best for publish ..
[19:30] <marcoagpinto> :)
[19:30] <tomreyn> maybe there was some 25 MB PDF embedded in the JPEG header
[19:30] <OerHeks> or use darktable, my favo.. not sure what that can do about compression
[19:30] <JanC> most likely the resolution was changed
[19:31] <OerHeks> JanC, on my pic the colour depth changed, iirc
[19:31] <JanC> if you compare zoomed out they would still look the same
[19:31] <daftykins> ^ +1
[19:31] <marcoagpinto> JanC: yes, it is what I did, I didn't zoom... I just toggled between both
[19:31] <marcoagpinto> :)
[19:31] <marcoagpinto> since I saw no differences, I used his image instead of mine
[19:32] <marcoagpinto> 150 kB to several MB
[19:32] <marcoagpinto> :)
[19:32] <marcoagpinto> I chose 150 kB
[19:32] <JanC> sure, that makes sense for that purpose
[19:32] <JanC> you probably don't want to use that 150kB version for printing an A0 poster though
[19:32] <marcoagpinto> of course
[19:33] <marcoagpinto> :)
[19:33] <marcoagpinto> I only used it in my site
[19:33] <OerHeks> fast homepage, rest of the site may take more time
[19:34] <marcoagpinto> yes... because the other pictures were compressed by me :p
[19:34] <marcoagpinto> so, they are a lot larger
[19:34] <marcoagpinto> :)
[19:34] <marcoagpinto> I don't know how to compress like Robert
[19:39] <marcoagpinto> I use both GIMP and PaintShopPro because each one has features that I need... for example, GIMP allows SVG files while PSP 2019 has a bug and doesn't open them...
[19:40] <marcoagpinto> I reported the bug to Corel and they said "what is the best time to use TeamView with you blah blah"
[19:40] <marcoagpinto> :)
[19:40] <marcoagpinto> and I replied: "I will wait for PSP 2020"
[19:40] <marcoagpinto> :p
[19:40] <daftykins> sounds like they wanted to help show how it's done
[19:41] <marcoagpinto> well, a double-click or drag'n'drop?
[19:41] <marcoagpinto> no big magic
[19:41] <marcoagpinto> just like when PSP 2018 crashed while trying to print a second time?
[19:41] <marcoagpinto> "we will TeamView blah blah to check"
[19:42] <marcoagpinto> and I waited for a new version and it fixed the issue
[19:42] <daftykins> my Dad always liked getting PC magazine coverdiscs back in the day with old PSP versions free
[19:43] <daftykins> i think sometimes he ordered their software solely because it came with a free mouse too, and boy was it rubbish :D
[19:43] <marcoagpinto> ohhhhhhhhhh
[19:43] <marcoagpinto> :)))))))))
[19:43] <marcoagpinto> coverdiscs or coverdisks?
[19:43] <marcoagpinto> I am from the time of covertapes
[19:43] <marcoagpinto> :)
[19:43] <marcoagpinto> then disks and then discs
[19:44] <daftykins> diskettes then discs i suppose really
[19:44] <marcoagpinto> do you remember the ZX Spectrum days?!
[19:44] <marcoagpinto> the magazines would later bring tapes
[19:44] <marcoagpinto> :)
[19:45] <daftykins> nope, before my time - don't think i'd have had an interest... but i suppose we'll never know
[19:45] <marcoagpinto> ahhhh... good old days... :)
[19:45] <marcoagpinto> I coded a bit in Z80 Assembly in those days
[19:45] <marcoagpinto> BASIC + Assembly
[19:47] <marcoagpinto> the compression algorithm: 1,1,1,1,1,2 = 1,1,5,2
[19:47] <marcoagpinto> :)
[19:47] <marcoagpinto> that was the most common one
[19:47] <marcoagpinto> two equal numbers and the counter
[19:48] <marcoagpinto> (for images)
[19:48]  * daftykins prefers to live in the present
[19:49] <marcoagpinto> daftykins: Wait until I finish my course and I will remake Spectrum games again
[19:49] <marcoagpinto> :)
[19:49] <marcoagpinto> my old hobby!!!!
[19:49] <marcoagpinto> remaking spectrum games
[19:51] <marcoagpinto> I have a dream... a vision... a highly technologic advanced civilization with space travelling :)
[19:51] <marcoagpinto> I hope to be alive when it happens
[19:51] <marcoagpinto> :)
[19:53] <marcoagpinto> do you know understand why am I always referring to 512-bit storage in Ubuntu?
[19:53] <marcoagpinto> I am thinking about the future, when the world will use Petabytes storage
[19:54] <marcoagpinto> SSD PB storage
[19:54] <marcoagpinto> do you now*
[19:54] <marcoagpinto> sorry for the grammar
[19:56] <daftykins> if i'm 100% honest i've just made the connection that you don't have too deep an understanding of things is all
[19:56] <marcoagpinto> ohhhhhhh
[19:56] <marcoagpinto> why?
[20:03] <marcoagpinto> daftykins! :((((((((((((


[11:56] <Guest18> Hello, anyone on here?  I am looking for some help trying to get vlan interface configured via SRIOV vf's is something someone can help me with?
[16:23] <netdever> Would be awesome if https://github.com/canonical/netplan/pull/272 could get some love. VXLAN support in particular has been a long awaited feature. Thanks!
[16:37] <schopin> netdever: thank you for your contribution, it's much appreciated :)
[16:37] <netdever> My pleasure!
[16:51] <schopin> netdever: just FYI, your contribution might take a little while to get in, as it touches the YAML schema, and we try to think long and hard about any change to it.
[17:01] <netdever> schopin makes sense. Just so I can help set expectations, are we talking days/weeks/months?
[17:02] <schopin> Probably not days, especially with the release happening this week ;)
[17:04] <netdever> Gotcha


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[01:25] <VolUTFan> howdy ya'll
[01:54] <VolUTFan> Hey, I want to create a script, that will, when run create an empty panel on the right side of my screen and auto add application icons to it.  Anyone know where I can start?
[01:55] <VolUTFan> trying to streamline setting up a new desktop
[04:38] <kernelcruncher> has anyone else had k3b bugging out at 98%?
[04:38] <kernelcruncher> 14.04 with kde ppa
[04:39] <keithzg> VolUTFan: I'd almost just look at the way the configs look for plasma after you do indeed set a desktop up that way, and just write a script that writes those entries to the respective config files.
[04:41] <VolUTFan> keithzg: might be a good place to start.  I tried to google the concept but there is so much stuff on google, its prob burried 100 pages down somewhere
[04:41] <VolUTFan> what directory path do you suggest I start digging?  .kde?
[04:42] <kernelcruncher> http://goo.gl/He4GIj
[04:43] <VolUTFan> kernelcruncher: Ive had it happen to me in 14.04
[04:43] <VolUTFan> never went digging for an answer tho
[04:44] <VolUTFan> thought my install was bricked somehow and just stopped trying
[04:44] <kernelcruncher> VolUTFan: Ok thanks
[04:44] <keithzg> VolUTFan: Yeah, there's a plasmarc file around there somewhere in .kde that I think is the ticket, at least for KDE 4.x.
[04:45] <VolUTFan> keithzg: its kde4
[04:47] <VolUTFan> there are 2 results to $locate plasmarc /usr/share/kde4/apps/kconf_update/plasmarc-to-plasmadesktoprc.upd and this one /usr/share/kubuntu-netbook-default-settings/share/config/plasmarc
[04:48] <keithzg> VolUTFan: actually the config file might be ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc for your user session.
[04:48] <VolUTFan> let me check that one
[04:49] <VolUTFan> that might be a good place to start.  thanks a lot
[04:49] <keithzg> np
[05:00] <keithzg> kernelcruncher: Have you tried different disks? Have you tried burning via something other than K3b? Have you tried wiping your K3b configs and starting them from scratch? Those are the only three things I can think of (it works fine for me in 14.04, thankfully, since I have to burn DVDs very often
[05:00] <keithzg> as part of my day job).
[05:00] <martikus> всем драсти
[05:02] <kernelcruncher> keithzg: yes
[05:02] <kernelcruncher> keithzg: same .iso burns fine in openSUSE 13.2 k3b
[05:04] <kernelcruncher> keithzg: I was wondering if it could be related to the kde PPA but I see k3b isn't from there anyway
[05:04] <keithzg> kernelcruncher: Yeah, it seems unlikely. Hmm.
[05:04] <keithzg> kernelcruncher: What's the version of K3b and growisofs on openSUSE?
[05:04] <kernelcruncher> keithzg: K3b Version: 2.0.2
[05:05] <kernelcruncher> keithzg: growisofs: 7.1
[05:05] <kernelcruncher> keithzg: those are for kubuntu
[05:06] <keithzg> kernelcruncher: Yeah, got that from the paste you did anyways ;) and those are the same as mine on Kubuntu 14.04 too.
[05:06] <kernelcruncher> keithzg: k3b 2.0.80
[05:08] <keithzg> kernelcruncher: wait, huh? The latest release was 2.0.3, back in November . . .
[05:08] <kernelcruncher> keithzg: opensuse uses cdrecord 3.1a25
[05:11] <kernelcruncher> keithzg: http://packman.links2linux.de/package/k3b/591663
[05:12] <keithzg> kernelcruncher: Doesn't really explain where that weird version is coming from :P
[05:13] <keithzg> kernelcruncher: Well, I guess it kindof does, looks like openSUSE at some point got impatient waiting for a release and started packaging a somewhat fake one from git, perhaps?
[05:13] <kernelcruncher> keithzg: I have a burn to do later and plan to try xfburn
[05:13] <keithzg> The "2.0.80" releases seem to start inbetween when 2.0.2 and 2.0.3 were released, which *was* a long time.
[05:14] <keithzg> kernelcruncher: Yeah, it'd be interesting to see if that works from within Kubuntu, since if it does then you do know that the problem is somehow part of the software stack that's specific to k3b (and conversely, if it also fails then you know it's a lower-level issue)
[05:14] <kernelcruncher> keithzg: I'm more concerend about kubuntu not actually working correctly than what Packman are doing
[05:15] <kernelcruncher> keithzg: thanks for your interest
[05:15] <keithzg> kernelcruncher: Well, I'm trying to figure out what the difference is! And that gets a bit wonkier when they're packaging their own releases, heh.
[05:16] <keithzg> kernelcruncher: Looks like 14.10 is still on 2.0.2, but 15.04 will ship with 2.0.3
[05:16] <kernelcruncher> keithzg: it's partly to do with the fact that openSUSE can only push 'open' software. The packman version comes tied with the k3b-codecs that openSUSE can't have in their sources
[05:19] <keithzg> kernelcruncher: Fair enough. Well, the k3b packages (k3b, k3b-data, libk4b6) don't look to require any newer dependencies outside of what ships with Trusty, so you *could* just try installing those and see if that fixes things.
[05:20] <keithzg> kernelcruncher: I'd recommend trying xfburn first, and *if* that works fine then try installing the newer k3b packages.
[05:20] <kernelcruncher> keithzg: thanks man
[05:20] <keithzg> (http://packages.ubuntu.com/vivid/k3b http://packages.ubuntu.com/vivid/k3b-data and http://packages.ubuntu.com/vivid/libk3b6 should be all you need if I'm reading it right)
[05:20] <keithzg> kernelcruncher: no problem, best of luck!
[05:51] <healy> hello
[07:06] <wamari> Hi guys
[07:06] <wamari> anyone know how to get dropbox indicator working in Kubuntu 15.04?
[07:10] <valorie> not sure we'll get an indicator for quite awhile
[07:10] <valorie> until someone re-writes the old one for the new standards
[07:11] <valorie> dropbox is working without problem in 15.04 for me, though
[07:12] <wamari> thats a bummer
[07:13] <wamari> at least it syncs
[07:13] <wamari> i guess i could live without the indicator for a while
[07:14] <valorie> patches probably welcome - dropbox isn't a KDE project
[07:15] <valorie> or even free
[07:15] <valorie> that said, I use it too
[08:57] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:30] <alket> hi, how to install KDE Telepathy Instant Messenger 0.9 in ubuntu 14.04
[10:43] <valorie> !info kde-telepathy
[10:43] <valorie> so install via muon, or `sudo apt install meta-kde-telepathy`
[10:44] <valorie> alket: ^^^
[10:49] <lordievader> valorie: That is 0.8, alket was asking about 0.9.
[10:49] <alket> yes
[10:49] <lordievader> !info kde-telepathy kubuntu-backports
[10:49] <alket> since a big bug is fixed in that version
[10:49] <lordievader> Guess it ain't packeged (yet).
[10:49] <alket> i need it to use at work
[10:49] <alket> its for 14.10 though
[10:49] <alket> in backports
[10:50] <lordievader> That is the downside of running LTS, old software.
[10:51] <alket> well i use it LTS at work
[10:51] <alket> can't upgrade it
[11:48] <soee> good morning
[12:21] <DragoWing_> Hello
[12:22] <lordievader> o/
[12:25] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:25] <DragoWing_> Hello
[12:26] <DragoWing_> anyone online? (sorry for the second time) for some reason it didn't send anything for me)
[12:26] <BluesKaj> yes
[12:26] <DragoWing_> ahhh, okayy
[12:26] <DragoWing_> cool
[12:26] <DragoWing_> may i ask something?
[12:26] <BluesKaj> ask away
[12:26] <lordievader> !ask | DragoWing_
[12:26] <DragoWing_> ohhhh, sorry
[12:27] <DragoWing_> whats the difference between all the linux/ubuntu versions?
[12:27] <BluesKaj> !flavours
[12:27] <lordievader> The DE mostely.
[12:28] <yossarianuk> hi - as so far KRDC hasn't been ported to Plasma5.x - does that mean 15.04 will miss that package (or will the plasma4.x package be available instead ?)
[12:28] <DragoWing_> ok, and i suppose you all prefer kde the most? XD
[12:28] <yossarianuk> DragoWing_: yes
[12:29] <DragoWing_> i think i will try it out, i am not sure i like the unity version that much, and screenshots of gnome i am not sure, thank you guys for your aweome help, :D
[12:29] <yossarianuk> DragoWing_: some distros have different options used to make the kernel, etc  (i.e different schedulers, etc, 100Hz , etc) - some distros are tuned differently.
[12:29] <BluesKaj> that's what Kubuntu is , ubuntu witht KDE desktop environment
[12:29] <DragoWing_> nice!
[12:30] <ronnoc> Anyone having an issue playing videos in 15.04 after the last round of updates?
[12:30] <DragoWing_> thank you very much for the awesome help, and very fast too!
[12:30] <DragoWing_> i suppose i have to downloads LTS version too, right?
[12:31] <hateball> DragoWing_: you dont have to re-download an iso if you already run Ubuntu
[12:31] <DragoWing_> ohhhh
[12:31] <DragoWing_> i am using unity right now
[12:31] <hateball> you can run this in a terminal "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[12:31] <hateball> DragoWing_: ^
[12:31] <hateball> And it will download and install everything needed
[12:31] <DragoWing_> wow, thats pretty cool, but does it delete unity then? or jsut ontop?
[12:31] <hateball> DragoWing_: Then you can switch between KDE Plasma and Unity at login
[12:31] <DragoWing_> ok, cool
[12:32] <yossarianuk> DragoWing_: I find it always 'cleaner' to install a free os - otherwise you may have gnome/unity utilities as the default instead of KDE tools.
[12:32] <DragoWing_> yeah, i think i will just redownload it
[12:33] <DragoWing_> thank you very much!
[12:34] <DragoWing_> okidoki, ;o))
[12:34] <DragoWing_> bye
[12:58] <telemak> bonjour tout le monde
[12:59] <telemak> y a du monde qui touche sa bille en debian? j ai un peu d mal pour un truc
[12:59] <BluesKaj> !fr | telemak
[12:59] <telemak> ok no pb I can speak in english
[13:00] <telemak> I ve got a little pb on my debian, I have a picture of it
[13:00] <telemak> so if somenone is good on debian
[13:01] <telemak> I just need a little of help
[13:01] <Riddell> this is a kubuntu channel
[13:01] <BluesKaj> telemak, join #debian, this is kubuntu
[13:01] <telemak> ooooo...oh dear...sorry
[13:04] <DragoWing> hello, sorry for bothering again, i was wondering, do i need to get the 14.04 LTS version or is 14.10 better?
[13:09] <BluesKaj> DragoWing, that depends on your needs and su=ituation , are you a home user on the job ?
[13:09] <BluesKaj> err situation
[13:09] <DragoWing> home
[13:10] <BluesKaj> ok, wqell I use 14.10 it's very solid
[13:10] <DragoWing> ok, is it any different?
[13:10] <BluesKaj> !LTS
[13:10] <DragoWing> and is 14.10 LTS? google says LTS is bestest
[13:11] <telemak> 14.10 works fine on my cptr
[13:11] <BluesKaj> DragoWing, there's no 14.10 LTS
[13:11] <telemak> but no 14.10LTS for the moment
[13:11] <DragoWing> ohhhh, okayy, but whats the difference then? i can't seem to find out
[13:12] <BluesKaj> and won't be anytime , the next LTS will be 16.04 afaik
[13:12] <telemak> nevermind
[13:12] <telemak> ;)
[13:12] <DragoWing> lol
[13:12] <DragoWing> so, the 04 versiions are mostly LTS?
[13:12] <telemak> if 03 isn't
[13:12] <BluesKaj> yes , but every 2 yrs
[13:13] <DragoWing> ahhhh, okayy, and when did 14.04 and 14.10 release?
[13:13] <BluesKaj> telemak, ther a re no 03s
[13:13] <telemak> BluesKaj:  it was a joke
[13:13] <telemak> I know I know
[13:13] <BluesKaj> 14 stands for the yr, 04 stands for the month
[13:14] <DragoWing> ahhhh, okayy, cool
[13:14] <DragoWing> so 14th of april
[13:14] <DragoWing> i mean
[13:14] <DragoWing> 2014
[13:14] <BluesKaj> so 15.04 will be released this april
[13:14] <telemak> gread matematician DragoWing ! lol
[13:14] <DragoWing> ohhhh
[13:14] <DragoWing> yeah, sorry, i can't do math, XD
[13:15] <telemak> no problem, I can't speak english
[13:15] <DragoWing> april 2014
[13:15] <BluesKaj> yr=year ,
[13:15] <telemak> same same
[13:15] <telemak> but diffrent
[13:15] <DragoWing> yeah, i know, sorry
[13:15] <DragoWing> but 2016 comes the next one?
[13:15] <telemak> probably
[13:15] <telemak> won't in 2015
[13:16] <DragoWing> ok, cool
[13:16] <DragoWing> and 14.10?
[13:16] <DragoWing> how long support?
[13:16] <telemak> I don't know I m not a Linux devlopper lol
[13:16] <DragoWing> lol
[13:16] <DragoWing> well, i allways could ask
[13:16] <telemak> 14.04 long time support
[13:16] <telemak> and if you havbe a question on the 14.10
[13:17] <DragoWing> ok, i think i will keep it by 14.04 instead
[13:17] <telemak> you just put the same questionh on 14.04
[13:17] <jadyson> tem alguém testando o Kubuntu 15.04 Beta 1 ?
[13:17] <telemak> It will be the same and no problem with troller
[13:17] <telemak> ben oué va y on parle en esperanto aussi????
[13:18] <DragoWing> ok, cool, and will 14.04 get plasma5 too?
[13:18] <telemak> plasma 5???
[13:19] <DragoWing> i think i saw something on website plasma 4, lol
[13:19] <DragoWing> could be wrong, tho
[13:19] <telemak> Like Rambo
[13:19] <DragoWing> oh, i just see plasma on 14.10 i suppose, XD
[13:19] <telemak> 5 not better than 4
[13:20] <telemak> plasma 5.....He's on stargate
[13:20] <telemak> no soucy
[13:20] <DragoWing> lol
[13:21] <DragoWing> ok, thank you, i think i know enough, i will install 14.04, thaank you!
[13:21] <kahtahs> DragoWing: no, packages in ubuntu releases are frozen besides security updates
[13:21] <DragoWing> ohhhh
[13:21] <telemak> yeah DragoWing install 14.04
[13:21] <DragoWing> sure
[13:21] <DragoWing> thank you very much!
[13:21] <BluesKaj> 14.10 is very stable , 14.04 has some stability problems in my experience , DragoWing
[13:22] <DragoWing> it does?
[13:22] <telemak> I m on quad boot : kubuntu, debian, tails, win7
[13:22] <BluesKaj> that was my experience yes
[13:22] <DragoWing> hmz, now i can't choose, XD
[13:22] <BluesKaj> go for 14.10
[13:22] <DragoWing> but everyone says i had to do LTS cuz they are the best
[13:23] <telemak> 14.04 BluesKaj
[13:23] <DragoWing> sorry, a bit new to linux
[13:23] <kahtahs> BluesKaj: LTS enablement stack?
[13:23] <BluesKaj> DragoWing, not all LTS are , but that's your choice
[13:24] <DragoWing> ahhhh, okayy, well, then i think i will do 14.10, i trust ur judgement, XD
[13:24] <kahtahs> DragoWing: go for 14.04.1 not 14.04.2: 5 years instead of 18 months support and LTS enablement stack just got released and has some bugs left
[13:25] <DragoWing> wow, wait, should i go for 14.04 orv 14.10? XD
[13:25] <kahtahs> if you don't need the newer packages in 14.10, you don't need 14.10
[13:26] <kahtahs> if you want plasma 5, best to go for 15.04 beta
[13:26] <BluesKaj> 14.10 FTW in my opnion
[13:27] <BluesKaj> stable and mature
[13:27] <BluesKaj> 15.04 is for the adventurous and those who don't mind breakge
[13:29] <DragoWing> ok, i think i have to choose, i will try 14.10 then like kaj said, :D
[13:29] <BluesKaj> LTS  is meant for the work environment
[13:30] <kahtahs> 14.10 only has support for 9 months, so support ends on July 2015, which is rather soon
[13:30] <DragoWing> ohhhh, and does it get a new version after?
[13:32] <kahtahs> you can update to 15.04 when it's out
[13:32] <DragoWing> ok, cool, well, i jsut do 14.04 then, since its longer supported
[13:33] <DragoWing> thank you all, have to go now, ;o))
[13:33] <BluesKaj> kahtahs, now you've really got hinm confused
[13:34] <DragoWing> yikes
[13:34] <DragoWing> i suppose indeed
[13:34] <BluesKaj> 14.04 is still supported , but i's not needed by home users , DragoWing\
[13:35] <DragoWing> so, as a home user 14.10 is better?
[13:35] <BluesKaj> LTS is meant for the work environment, like I said before
[13:35] <BluesKaj> 14.10 is best for now
[13:35] <DragoWing> oh, for devs?
[13:35] <kahtahs> BluesKaj: not true: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS
[13:36] <BluesKaj> kahtahs, don't beleive everything you read, beleive me, I've used 14.04 :)
[13:37] <DragoWing> lol
[13:37] <kahtahs> non-lts will soon force you to use systemd, which is planned for 15.04
[13:37] <BluesKaj> not for devs, DragoWing for the workplace
[13:37] <DragoWing> ah, okayy
[13:37] <lordievader> BluesKaj: That is not entirely true. If you want a very stable Ubuntu system you go with LTS.
[13:37] <BluesKaj> systemd works ok , I use it
[13:38] <DragoWing> ok, now peopel say different, XD
[13:38] <kahtahs> BluesKaj: it's a major structural change, which you will have to deal with
[13:38] <BluesKaj> lordievader, that's your opinion, and I have mine
[13:38] <DragoWing> ok, i have to go, thank you all for your time and help, really appreciate it, ;o))
[13:39] <DragoWing> i will look how LTS version will work if not i will just change
[13:39] <BluesKaj> kahtahs, I already have,  no problems so far
[13:39] <DragoWing> bye bye
[13:39] <BluesKaj> bye
[13:40] <DragoWing> okidoki, ;o))
[13:40] <DragoWing> poof
[13:48] <kahtahs> BluesKaj: wouldn't call that no problems: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/core-1411-systemd-migration
[13:51] <BluesKaj> well, I don't have any
[13:53] <BluesKaj> one has to install sddm and systemd-sysv to make things work
[13:53] <BluesKaj> not fan of systemd, but I might aswell get used to it , just like pulseaudio
[14:15] <mparillo> Anybody know wget? I was trying to grab the kubuntu-devel logs from February (to avoid having to ask Riddell the same question twice), so I used: wget -r -A "*kubuntu-devel.txt" http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/02 but it seems to be pulling in all logs. I killed it when it built the whole structure back to 2004 and files from January 2015.
[14:17] <Riddell> mparillo: I use this script to download them http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/get
[14:18] <Riddell> just update the month
[14:20] <mparillo> Riddell: TY, and safer than trying to figure out recursion in wget.
[15:04] <alket> how come kdevelop has better syntax highlighting than kate
[15:40] <yossarianuk> alket: try kwrite
[15:50] <lordievader> alket: Because kdevelop is an ide.
[15:51] <lordievader> Kate is an advanced text editor.
[16:00] <yossarianuk> what is the difference between kate + kwrite ? For some reason kwrite seems more usable ...
[16:00] <yossarianuk> is it the same backend ?
[16:04] <lordievader> yossarianuk: Yes, both kate, kwrite and kdevelop use the same backend.
[16:05] <yossarianuk> lordievader: cheers - for some reason kwrite has always seemed more useful..
[16:55] <rberg_> funny. I had to use Gnomes empathy client to configure KDE IM comtacts.. otherwise I got a auth failure
[17:00] <VolUTFan> Hey Guys
[17:01] <VolUTFan> BluesKaj, how do you change the font size in the chat screen on konversation
[17:01] <VolUTFan> id like to bump it up maybe 2 sizes
[17:02] <yossarianuk> VolUTFan: try Settings -> configure konversation
[17:03] <VolUTFan> um yea  lol, where in that mess is the font size
[17:04] <VolUTFan> ive looked through all of that and if its there, I am apparently blind.  And that may be the case
[17:06] <VolUTFan> my eyesight isn't what it used to be.  thats why i was trying to bump up the font size a tid bit
[17:07] <VolUTFan> i think I found it.. the fixed size isn't going to work
[17:10] <VolUTFan> yepp, I fixed it.  now I can actually see whats on the screen.
[17:33] <Drangue> where are gwenview plugins located ? I want to disable some of them
[17:46] <dats> how do we add icon to panel in kubuntu 15.04
[17:46] <dats> hi there anyone could let me know
[17:48] <VolUTFan> its not like 14.x.  From what I remember, you have to left click and drag
[17:48] <VolUTFan> Its in my test enviroment, but I don't have vivid loaded right now
[17:48] <VolUTFan> dats: that was for you
[17:49] <VolUTFan> Drangue: I am trying to figure you problem out.  Loading gwenview right now to try and assist you
[17:49] <dats> i tried to do for k3b
[17:50] <VolUTFan> dats: are you saying..  just to clarify.  You have a empty panel on your screen, say to the right, and you want to drag an icon over to it
[17:50] <dats> i am not able to do it
[17:51] <VolUTFan> dats: but what I am describing, is what your attempting to do.. is that correct?
[17:51] <VolUTFan> dats: if that is what your attempting to do..  I will load my test enviroment for vivid and simulate what your trying to do and walk you through it
[17:52] <dats> yes
[17:52] <VolUTFan> dats: ok, will do.  Standby and let me load up my vivid box
[17:52] <dats> i have kubuntu 15.04
[17:52] <VolUTFan> vivid = 15.04 beta 1
[17:54] <dats> kde plasma 5.1.95
[17:56] <VolUTFan> Drangue: standby..  I am still digging for intel on the gwenview plugins.  Are you trying to remove, specific plugin's or all of them?
[17:56] <dats> vivid is smooth to run but to put icons in the panel i am not able to
[17:57] <dats> i think it is 15.04 that is what the information about system in settings say
[17:58] <VolUTFan> dats: I think I figured out your problem
[17:58] <dats> waiting eagerly
[17:59] <VolUTFan> right click in a blank portion of your kicker panel..  at the bottom of the screen.  Select Panel Options, then unlock widgets.  Once you have that done, you should be able to right click and hold, then drag your icons over to your panel
[17:59] <VolUTFan> dats: try that, then let me know if that works
[17:59] <dats> i tried to get the way out from internet but i drew a blank as i suppose 15.04 is new
[18:01] <VolUTFan> Drangue: See if this URL helps.  It doesn't specifically talk about disabling the gwenview plugins, but does talk about uninstalling specific plugins.  Maybe it will guide you to where you need to be.  https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?66477-Uninstall-Gwenview-plugins
[18:01] <VolUTFan> dats: I don't understand what you mean.  Please rephrase
[18:03] <VolUTFan> dats: Did the solution I provided you work?
[18:04] <VolUTFan> dats: are you able to add icons to your panels now?
[18:05] <dats> yeah it is in the form - u add widget called as application launcher and edit it to the apllication you want -
[18:05] <dats> it is against the rules called as kiss
[18:05] <dats> keep it simple and straight
[18:05] <VolUTFan> yep
[18:06] <dats> thanks nice to interact
[18:07] <dats> i am out guten nicht - good night
[18:11] <VolUTFan> Drangue: Does that link help you?
[18:14] <martasbncz> zdarec vespolek..
[18:16] <martasbncz> setkal se někdo z Vás,že mu maxthon(browser) nasadil dvě až tři zombie a samotné ubu/kubu zahlásilo vnitřní chybu ?
[18:17] <martasbncz> otevřené porty v komunikaci jsem projel,tam chyba není,procesy které šly jsem killnul..
[18:17] <VolUTFan> martasbncz: english please
[18:18] <martasbncz> VolUTFan: ok
[18:21] <VolUTFan> Drangue: Within gwenview, once you install the plugins (kipi-plugins) I don't see a specific way to disable or configure the plugins from within the GUI app Gwenview.  Strange.  That would be an excellent feature however
[18:21] <VolUTFan> martasbncz: What can I help you out with?
[18:26] <martasbncz> VolUTFan: maxthon browsers = zombie ...know somebody problem ?
[18:29] <VolUTFan> what version of Kubuntu are you running?
[18:30] <martasbncz> 14.04
[18:30] <VolUTFan> martasbncz: ok, thanks.  What do you mean by zombie
[18:31] <martasbncz> orphan, unfinished process
[18:31] <martasbncz> 2x
[18:32] <VolUTFan> martasbncz: So you are simply trying to kill the hung process?
[18:34] <martasbncz> VolUTFan: kill the process, no problem, restart, and he works again
[18:35] <VolUTFan> martasbncz: so you can kill the process and it works again?
[18:38] <martasbncz> VolUTFan: works without killing, but I see him top
[18:39] <VolUTFan> martasbncz: I don't understand what the problem is then.  If it is running fine without killing it, what then is the problem with your zombie process?  Are you saying that you have 1 instance of the application open, yet you see 2 maxthon processes?
[18:43] <VolUTFan> martasbncz: I am downloading the maxthon browser to my test box
[18:45] <martasbncz> VolUTFan: I see 2-3 zombie and not only in the top, the system slacker kills a process over time is here again
[18:46] <lordievader> martasbncz: Having zombie processes doesn't matter. They don't use resources, they only use a pid.
[18:48] <dats> volutfan
[18:49] <martasbncz> lordievader: thanks
[18:49] <VolUTFan> lordievader: is it somewhat like google chrome or chromium?  the processes I mean
[18:50] <VolUTFan> dats:  whats up
[18:51] <VolUTFan> I was in the process of installing the maxthon browser.  Apparently its pretty new
[18:51] <lordievader> VolUTFan: A fork of Netscape, IIRC.
[18:52] <lordievader> Never mind... I do not recall correctly.
[18:52] <VolUTFan> I was in the process of installing the maxthon browser.  Apparently its pretty new
[18:53] <VolUTFan> i don't know why on earth it posted that message twice. LOL
[18:54] <martasbncz> Maxthon works fast but his zombie'm tired
[18:58] <VolUTFan> im not sure why my vbox 14.04 is so slow in loading this deb file
[19:00] <martasbncz> <IP_ADDRESS>: icmp_seq=1 ttl=44 time=181 ms
[19:05] <VolUTFan> martasbncz: I got maxthon browser installed.  Each of the maxthon processes have a specific job.  A new install, yields 8 total maxthon processes
[19:06] <VolUTFan> some of the processes are for crash reporting, and smooth scrolling.  From what I see, these processes are supposted to be there
[19:07] <VolUTFan> it also reaches out to remote servers to gather plugins, so I would imagine you would see pids from that as well
[19:08] <martasbncz> VolUTFan: yes, I saw it, please explore the "top and" last
[19:09] <VolUTFan> martasbncz: what specifically about the top and last pids?
[19:13] <martasbncz> 13364/133617..
[19:16] <martasbncz>  14653
[19:17] <VolUTFan> my pid, virtual and reserve memory blocks are going to be different from yours
[19:18] <VolUTFan> martasbncz: PID's are usually 4 digits long, unless your running a whopping large system
[19:19] <VolUTFan> lordievader: doesn't the 5 digit numbers sound a lot like memory sectors to you?  in the TOP command
[19:20] <martasbncz> It is certain, any error was found? higher swap, memory, load average?
[19:20] <lordievader> VolUTFan: Max pid can be read from /proc/sys/kernel/pid_max
[19:20] <lordievader> After that number pid's are recycled.
[19:21] <VolUTFan> martasbncz: it all depends on the specific application.  In this case, I am not familiar enough with the maxthon browser to know that information
[19:22] <VolUTFan> lordievader: max pids would be cleared on a reboot of the system.. right?
[19:23] <martasbncz> Even so thank you very much for the effort and attempt
[19:23] <lordievader> VolUTFan: Yes.
[19:23] <VolUTFan> lordievader: thats what I thought.  thanks for the confirm.
[19:23] <VolUTFan> martasbncz: no problem
[19:25] <martasbncz> thank .. You guys, I search the computers start
[19:41] <VolUTFan> lordievader: where can I find a user list of commands for IRC chat?  For example, how would I say a thought, like -*- is thinking
[19:41] <VolUTFan> ive seen it, but not really had time to look into it
[19:41] <lordievader> VolUTFan: That one would be /me, further more, no idea.
[19:44] <VolUTFan> hmm lol
[19:44]  * VolUTFan is thinking
[19:44] <VolUTFan> did that show up as a thought
[19:45] <lordievader> Yes.
[19:45] <VolUTFan> okie dokie, awesome.  learned something new
[19:45] <VolUTFan> thanks
[19:57] <VolUTFan> im poking around in gwenview after installing the kipi-plugins.  The facebook plugin doesn't seem to jive with the upload.  It took me to facebook to auth the api call, and it showed success.  I come back to gwenview, highlight picture items and select to upload to facebook.  What I get is this.http://picpaste.com/facebooksuccess-bM88hCeE.jpg  /  http://picpaste.com/facebook-plugin-notice-AqyUtdSE.jpg  /  http://picpaste.com/
[19:57] <VolUTFan> facebook-plugin-error-U8IqrPpl.jpg
[19:58] <VolUTFan> http://picpaste.com/facebook-plugin-error-U8IqrPpl.jpg  last url didn't load
[19:58] <VolUTFan> any ideas
[20:23] <feral_hedgehog> Hello everyone! Linux noob here. Just spent 3 days on solving serious printer problem. Please tell me where to post it so that other linux noobs don't have to spend 3 days. Here's what happened: While using Kubuntu 14.10 64bit, printer wouldn't print files from Office 2007 running on wine1.7. To fix the problem I've installed the latest hplip and in '/etc/cups/ppd/' add read permission to Everyone on the printer's PPD file.
[20:40] <VolUTFan> https://www.kubuntuforums.net/forumdisplay.php?170-Knowledge-Base
[21:15] <Drangue> swex: on ubuntuforums.org
[21:22] <bprompt> ?
[21:32] <Coffee-Pot> how can I simlink a document .docx so that it shows up on my desktop
[21:32] <Coffee-Pot> not specifically the Desktop folder, but the desktop itself
[21:38] <rberg_> Coffee-Pot: you might need to use the folder widget to get plamsa to display files on the desktop
[21:40] <Coffee-Pot> hey rburg, this is actually VolUTFan, logged in from a 2nd session on my K-Box.  let me see if I can find that folder widget.  The fidget widget lol
[21:41] <rberg_> start with the cashew
[21:41] <Coffee-Pot> rberg_: your joking with me right?
[21:42] <rberg_> nope.. the little cashew icon at the top right is where you add widgets
[21:43] <Coffee-Pot> rberg_: I already did that part, and added the widget.  I didnt know what that was called.  It looks like its just my home folder, has all the folders in my home directory and files
[21:44] <Coffee-Pot> the same Desktop folder is there, but still doesnt help me simlink a file to the actual desktop
[21:45] <rberg_> oh you got that far.. you can drap a file from dolphin to the file widget and select link
[21:45] <rberg_> drag
[21:45] <rberg_> I can also tell you how to do if from konsole if you wish
[21:47] <Coffee-Pot> from terminal I know its ln -s /path/path/file.ext /dest/dest/simlink
[21:48] <Coffee-Pot> but not sure where to point the simlink path so it shows up on the desktop.  I wanted to add a freq used file.docx to the desktop for quick access
[21:50] <Coffee-Pot> i think I figured it out
[21:51] <bprompt> Coffee-Pot:      whatever is in ~/.Desktop folder, would show on the desktop
[21:52] <bprompt> preferably with a .desktop extension and format
[21:52] <Coffee-Pot> there is no .desktop folder in /home/user/
[21:52] <Coffee-Pot> there is a Desktop folder, but no .Desktop
[21:52] <Coffee-Pot> and nope, I tried adding files to the Desktop folder and they do not show on the desktop
[21:52] <bprompt> Coffee-Pot:   ahemm... that's what I meant
[21:53] <bprompt> Coffee-Pot:    well.. do you have a .desktop file it points to?
[21:53] <Coffee-Pot> im not sure what you mean
[21:53] <bprompt> Coffee-Pot:    what are you putting in directory .Desktop anyhow?   what's the symlink pointing to?
[21:53] <rberg_> Coffee-Pot: symlink it to whatever folder you have the folder widget looking at.. my default thats ~/Desktop but you can configure that too
[21:54] <Coffee-Pot> rberg_: I see what you mean by the config of the folder widget
[21:54] <bprompt> hmm actaully is not hidden, doh, is Desktop, but anyhow, what are you pointing it to?
[21:54] <yahyaa> does anyone know when the stable version of plasma5 will be released?
[21:55] <Coffee-Pot> according to the shortcut I managed to get on my desktop, the file is located in /home/marie/.local/share/applications
[21:55] <Coffee-Pot> or that is there the simlink is located pointing the the docx file in my home folder
[21:56] <Coffee-Pot> so i guess if I need to simlink something to the desktop the simlink should be name.desktop for that folder
[21:57] <bprompt> hmm
[21:58] <bprompt> Coffee-Pot:   are you in kwin?  whatever is in ~/.local/share/applications, shows up in the menu, and in kwin, you can just drag-drop to the desktop from there
[21:59] <Coffee-Pot> im not entirely sure
[22:00] <Coffee-Pot> what would be the hints I am in kwin
[22:00] <bprompt> Coffee-Pot:   kwin is kde's default window manager
[22:00] <Coffee-Pot> then thats what I am using
[22:00] <bprompt> so if you dunno what a window  manager is, chances are, you're using kwin :)
[22:00] <Coffee-Pot> i mean I can drag and drop..  already tried that.  and it works
[22:01] <bprompt> Coffee-Pot:   then the .desktop would show up in the menu, and you can just drag and drop it on the desktop from the menu
[22:01] <Coffee-Pot> but how would I simlink a file in /home/user/file.docx to the actual desktop
[22:01] <Coffee-Pot> right, but can it be done from the terminal?
[22:01] <rberg_> Coffee-Pot: I would think "ln -s /home/user/file.docx ~/Desktop"
[22:02] <Coffee-Pot> let me run that command and show you the results via screenshot
[22:03] <Coffee-Pot> brb, need to log off and back on to see if it worked
[22:04] <bprompt> Coffee-Pot:      say    ~# ln -s file.docx  Desktop/myfile
[22:05] <Coffee-Pot> ok I am back
[22:05] <Coffee-Pot> 1 second
[22:06] <bprompt> Coffee-Pot:      say    ~# ln -s file.docx  Desktop/myfile   <----
[22:06] <bprompt> Coffee-Pot:   anyhow, you don't need to log out, it shows right off
[22:06] <Coffee-Pot> http://picpaste.com/snapshot1-iWJznovU.png
[22:07] <Coffee-Pot> no matter if I run ln -s file Desktop or ln -s file /Desktop/myfile it doesnt show on the desktop.  Look at my screenshot and you can see the file simlink in the Desktop folder, but not on the desktop
[22:08] <rberg_> I dont think the file widget is looking at ~/Desktop then
[22:08] <rberg_> clock on the wrench on the side of the widget to see where its pointed
[22:08] <Coffee-Pot> i dont ever use that folder widget.
[22:09] <rberg_> *click.. I mean.. ok kde will not show files on the desktop without it
[22:09] <Coffee-Pot> ok hang on
[22:10] <rberg_> thats just how kde 4 is..
[22:11] <Coffee-Pot> http://picpaste.com/snapshot2-IFdYqYik.png  . No folder widget, opened dolphin and dragged the file right to the desktop.
[22:12] <Coffee-Pot> so I know that is possible.  It shows the location of the simlink as /home/marie/.local/share/applications
[22:13] <rberg_> huh? yeah that does work
[22:13] <Coffee-Pot> yea, but I did it without using the folder widget
[22:15] <Coffee-Pot> now the question remains.  How can i do it via the terminal lol
[22:16] <Coffee-Pot> I feel like im mentally challenged for some reason when it surronds the desktop folder
[22:16] <Coffee-Pot> or the desktop for that matter
[22:17] <rberg_> yeah apparently kde doesnt track the Desktop folder but some other folder
[22:17] <bprompt> hmmm
[22:17] <Coffee-Pot> thats what i am trying to figure out lol
[22:17] <Coffee-Pot> why bother having a Desktop folder in home, it its not even connected to the Desktop itself lol
[22:18] <Coffee-Pot> i was talking to lordievader about that earlier I think
[22:18] <Coffee-Pot>  not today but either yesterday or day-before
[22:19] <bprompt> Coffee-Pot:    got any icons on the desktop that are showing?  any names for the filename?
[22:19] <bprompt> Coffee-Pot:  if those files are showing there... you could just do a quick "find" on that file, so you can see where's at
[22:19] <Coffee-Pot> I can add one.  Do you want me to add an application shortcut or a file shortcut
[22:19] <bprompt> well... should be a shortcut
[22:20] <Coffee-Pot> bprompt: look at my last screenshot.  The path is right there in the properties window
[22:21] <bprompt> Coffee-Pot:     I see it on the desktop...... is that the symlink? or just a plain drag-n-drop?
[22:22] <Coffee-Pot> what I dont understand is... when I do ln -s /file.doc ~/.local/share/applications it doesnt show on the Desktop, yet that is there the shortcut lands when i drag and drop lol
[22:22] <Coffee-Pot> its drag and drop, but in that case, doesnt still resemble a softlink
[22:22] <bprompt> Coffee-Pot:    hmmmm   ~/.local/share/applications  is for the menu entry, not the desktop icon
[22:23] <Coffee-Pot> ok, let me do another screenshot to show you whats there
[22:23] <Coffee-Pot> im going to do a drag and drop, then screenshot again
[22:24] <bprompt> Coffee-Pot:     where's file.doc?  in the root folder? or ~ ?
[22:24] <Coffee-Pot> ~
[22:25] <Coffee-Pot> http://picpaste.com/snapshot3-Pv3RgKDy.png  drag and drop.  shortcut on desktop, drug from /home/marie/Marie-Resume.doc then look at the ls -lach in terminal
[22:26] <bprompt> Coffee-Pot:    and  ->  ln -s file.doc Desktop/myfile  <-- is not showing it?
[22:26] <Coffee-Pot> that is correct bprompt
[22:28] <Coffee-Pot> see what I mean rberg_
[22:28] <bprompt> Coffee-Pot:   you made the symlink properly AT ~/.local/share/applications, NOT at ~/Desktop though
[22:28] <bprompt> Coffee-Pot:    hmmmm   ~/.local/share/applications  is for the menu entry, not the desktop icon
[22:29] <Coffee-Pot> ok... let me do it your way bprompt and I will again show you results.  LOL brb in a sec
[22:30] <bprompt> Coffee-Pot:    try ->    ln -s ~/Marie-Resume.doc ~/Desktop/Marie.Resume.doc
[22:32] <Coffee-Pot> http://picpaste.com/snapshot4-7JEbvPHA.png
[22:32] <Coffee-Pot> results
[22:33] <Coffee-Pot> see what I mean?
[22:35]  * Coffee-Pot has managed to drink another entire pot of coffee
[22:35]  * Coffee-Pot Time to put on another pot of coffee now LOL
[22:35] <bprompt> hmm
[22:36] <bprompt> Coffee-Pot:     so...if you do an "ls -l"   what does it show as broken link?
[22:36] <Coffee-Pot> bprompt: are you stumpped at what I am showing you?  I realize what your telling me should work
[22:36] <Coffee-Pot> ok hang on
[22:36] <Coffee-Pot> lrwxrwxrwx 1 marie marie 16 Mar  5 17:11 Marie-Resume.doc -> Marie-Resume.doc
[22:37] <Coffee-Pot> its pointing the simlink at itself, not at the origionating file
[22:37] <Coffee-Pot> maybe that is what the problem is
[22:37] <bprompt> meaning the ln -s is ahemmm pointing to nowhere
[22:37] <bprompt> thus rm the symlink and redo it
[22:37] <Coffee-Pot> just did
[22:37] <bprompt> Coffee-Pot:    try ->    ln -s ~/Marie-Resume.doc ~/Desktop/Marie.Resume.doc
[22:39] <Coffee-Pot> http://picpaste.com/snapshot5-soVzPD9A.png  that corrected the linking problem so its not pointing at itself, but rather the origion however as you can see... Still no shortcut on the desktop LOL
[22:40] <bprompt> hmmm
[22:40]  * Coffee-Pot ***Is laughing my butt off ***
[22:41] <bprompt> reminds me of "ace venture, when nature calls"
[22:41] <Coffee-Pot> bprompt:  LOL
[22:41] <bprompt> s/venture/ventura/
[22:41] <Coffee-Pot> Let me ask you, if you are running Kub and you do the same thing I am doing, does the simlink actually show on your desktop
[22:42] <bprompt> it may just be kwin....
[22:42] <bprompt> I do have kwin, but I use lxde
[22:42] <bprompt> but the shortcuts are pretty much the same in both IIRC
[22:42] <bprompt> in lxde it shows instantly
[22:42] <Coffee-Pot> i dont get it tho...  how is it, that I can drag and drop, and successfully make it show up, but not simlink a desktop shortcut
[22:43] <Coffee-Pot> let me try something.
[22:43] <bprompt> Coffee-Pot:     could be that....lemme recall... I think kwin.... wants a .desktop file, rather than "whatever"
[22:45] <Coffee-Pot> right, and that is exactly what happens when I drag and drop the file from dolphin to the desktop, but it lands in the /home/marie/.local/share/applications path
[22:46] <bprompt> you mean, is NOT in the Desktop folder?
[22:46] <Coffee-Pot> thats what I am telling you
[22:46] <bprompt> hmm
[22:46] <Coffee-Pot> NOT in the Desktop folder
[22:46] <Coffee-Pot> lol
[22:47] <Coffee-Pot> that happens every single time I drag and drop..  funny thing tho..  if I remove the file Marie-Resume.desktop then go back to the terminal and do ln -s file.ext /home/marie/.local/share/applications/Marie-Resume.desktop it doesnt reappear on the actual desktop
[22:48] <Coffee-Pot> it seems to be one-way.  Drag and Drop will work, but if I do it in reverse via the terminal, it wont work
[22:50] <Coffee-Pot> let me switch back over to my other account brb
[22:51] <VolUTFan> bprompt: I am back, this is Coffee-Pot.
[22:51] <VolUTFan> im going to try something under my main account
[22:51] <VolUTFan> I have a few application shortcuts on my own desktop
[22:54] <bprompt> well... each account or user has their own Desktop folder anyhow, and also their own ~/.local
[22:56] <VolUTFan> Right, I understand that.  Look here.  http://picpaste.com/snapshot3-5dPam5GK.png
[22:57] <VolUTFan> I already knew how to add application shortcuts to desktop by drag and drop, but the funny thing is, there is no entries in either folder ~/.local/share/applications or in ~/Desktop
[23:00] <VolUTFan> confusing confusing
[23:01] <VolUTFan> oh well..  doesn't really matter in the longrun I don't guess.
[23:02]  * VolUTFan Thanks for the effort bprompt
[23:03] <VolUTFan> Do any of you run an encrypted LVM drive like I do?
[23:04] <VolUTFan> I was wondering if Re-Linux would be able to backup and make an image of your OS, with all of your applications, files, etc on it, so if your system was to crash, you would be able to reinstall fast
[23:04] <VolUTFan> if Re-Linux is even an option, or even supported at this point, OR if there was a better solution


 How is your efi grub install skills ? new install .
[04:18] <lotuspsychje> we need EriC^^ for that mate
[04:19] <lotuspsychje> !ping EriC^^ EFI problems ALERT
[04:20] <lotuspsychje> lol
[04:20] <Bashing-om> think here all we have to do is disable secure boot ? maybe .
[04:21] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: to do what?
[04:27] <lotuspsychje> single ubuntu?
[04:28] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: trying to install grub on a fresh install ,, where he attempted install to the partition .
[04:29] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: dual booting win .
[04:29] <lotuspsychje> ah, not the expert in duals here
[04:29] <lotuspsychje> we need EriC^^ :p
[06:18] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:20] <EriC^^> hey guys
[06:20] <EriC^^> morning lordievader
[06:21] <lordievader> Hey EriC^^, how are you doing?
[06:21] <lotuspsychje> morning guys
[06:26] <lordievader> Hey lotuspsychje
[06:27] <lotuspsychje> hey lordievader
[06:28] <lordievader> How are you?
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> great here
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> new work starts today
[06:40] <lordievader> New work?
[07:19] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: yeah got new kitchen work, better hours to combine with my biz
[07:20] <lordievader> New kitchen work, what do you mean?
[07:20] <lordievader> A new customer? New job?
[07:24] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: yeah new job
[07:24] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: parttime and combining with lotus computers
[07:26] <lordievader> Oh, nice!
[07:26] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: That be Lotus ComPuters :)
[07:26] <lordievader> So you install kitchens now?
[07:46] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: lol, no kitchen restaurant work
[08:02] <lordievader> Ah, that type of kitchen work :P
[08:05] <Bashing-om> Good nite giys - gonna shut it down .
[08:31] <lotuspsychje> off to work guys cheers :p
[12:56] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[15:12] <demo_> Has anyone had a visual glitches in 16.04 LTS with the side-bar?


[20:59] <WebVisitor-0> Hello there
[21:00] <WebVisitor-0> Im wondering where I could get some help with dual multitouch monitor set and ubuntu 12.04? :)
[21:13] <WebVisitor-0> Im wondering where I could get some help with dual multitouch monitor set and ubuntu 12.04? :)
[21:13] <WebVisitor-0> anyone? :(


[10:48] <justJanne> As I just switched to KDE (Ubuntu Studio), I'd still like to thank y'all for the awesome experience that I had with Ubuntu budgie for the past five years. Despite the flaws, it was always awesome to use and the most reliable desktop for my (albeit special) use case for all those years :)
[10:49] <justJanne> I'd like to thank to all the contributors that make ubuntu budgie possible :)
[10:50] <fossfreedom_> justJanne: you are most welcome. Have fun with US ... Great distro!
[10:51] <justJanne> fossfreedom_: btw, I'll still submit pull requests to moka if I find any missing or broken icons, but I obviously won't really notice them myself anymore
[10:52] <fossfreedom_> Cheers


[14:56] <cmaloney> Good morning
[14:57] <rick_h_> party
[15:29] <_stink_> hello
[15:31] <rick_h_> party
[15:32] <brousch> party
[15:41] <jrwren> kalx party soon?
[15:42] <cmaloney> When is that?
[15:42] <cmaloney> March 14th
[15:43] <cmaloney> Hm.
[15:44] <jrwren> cmaloney: come! its good.
[15:44] <cmaloney> I thought there was something else on my calendar that I couldn't make it out there.
[15:44] <brousch> It was not bad
[15:45] <jrwren> gonna be even better this year.
[15:45] <cmaloney> Heh
[15:46] <brousch> It's at a different location
[15:46] <brousch> I like the old one
[15:46] <jrwren> it moves around a lot.
[15:46] <jrwren> which old one?
[15:46] <cmaloney> Considering it would be the first time for me I wouldn't know the difference.
[15:46] <jrwren> the new location should be a lot better than the last 2.
[15:48] <brousch> It's a on a Saturday now? I don't even get a day off work for it!
[15:48] <jrwren> wasn't it always?
[15:48] <jrwren> brousch: github sponsored bells drink up afterward. :]
[15:48] <jrwren> brousch: did that convince you?
[15:49] <brousch> Too much socializing
[15:50] <brousch> I drink 1 beer each night. A drink-up saves me like $4
[15:50] <brousch> :-D
[15:50] <jrwren> ha!
[15:51] <jrwren> stop drinking 1 week before hand. Drink 7 this night.
[15:51] <jrwren> have someone drive you home.
[16:05] <cmaloney> Feh.
[16:05] <cmaloney> THat's the weekend that we promised to get together with my bro-in-law
[16:16] <brousch> Bring him along
[16:19] <cmaloney> Heh
[16:19] <cmaloney> I don't think he'd be terribly interested.
[16:22] <cmaloney> Though I do want to see the vidoes from this conference.
[22:11] <mthx> Hey guys. I've had a bunch of requests recently to live stream NORLUG meetings. I know MUG started live streaming a while back using hangouts (watched a few live myself btw). Any tips/suggestions or problems I should know of ahead of time?
[22:12] <mthx> rick_h_ cmaloney : ^
[22:22] <jrwren> you could email mug list and ask same thing. I'll bet Gib would respond.
[22:22] <mthx> jrwren: Just, Ill do that. Thanks