[00:00] <yoos> there is a space before the hyphen
[00:01] <Warlock_> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[00:01] <Warlock_> /dev/sda5             8.8G  5.3G  3.1G  64% /
[00:01] <Warlock_> tmpfs                 249M     0  249M   0% /lib/init/rw
[00:01] <Warlock_> varrun                249M  356K  249M   1% /var/run
[00:01] <Warlock_> varlock               249M     0  249M   0% /var/lock
[00:01] <FloodBotK1> Warlock_: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:01] <Warlock_> udev                  249M  164K  249M   1% /dev
[00:01] <avihayb> woops...
[00:01] <yoos> haha
[00:01] <yoos> okay
[00:01] <yoos> see that first line, /dev/sda5
[00:01] <Warlock_> yes
[00:01] <yoos> it's mounted on /
[00:01] <yoos> and has only 3.1G available
[00:01] <avihayb> Lorthirk: does your router support dhcp?
[00:02] <Warlock_> k yoos how do I fix that
[00:02] <yoos> you said you deleted the windows partition, but did you remember to extend your linux partition into the unformatted space?
[00:02] <Lorthirk> yes, and indeed it obtains the ip from dhcp, but i need to change dns and gateway
[00:02] <avihayb> I mean, does it it run a dhcp server?
[00:02] <Lorthirk> i have a quite complicated situation here :)
[00:02] <Warlock_> Not sure if it was done or not...How would I do that ?
[00:02] <Lorthirk> yes, it's serving as a dhcp
[00:02] <yoos> boot into another OS with a partition editor
[00:02] <avihayb> so you need to use a dns and getway that arn't supplied by the rowter?
[00:03] <Lorthirk> exacty
[00:03] <Warlock_> I have one in linux
[00:03] <yoos> I use either an Ubuntu LiveCD or a gparted livecd
[00:03] <Lorthirk> *exactly
[00:03] <yoos> you can't do it while you're running off of the partition you want to edit
[00:03] <yoos> you have to unmount it
[00:03] <yoos> which requires using another OS
[00:03] <Warlock_> I have an editor onboard within jaackalope
[00:03] <Warlock_> I can use a live cd
[00:03] <yoos> use a livecd
[00:03] <Lorthirk> but the connection isn't in network management
[00:03] <yoos> to edit it while it's not mounted
[00:03] <avihayb> and I'm guessing that getting the router is not an option
[00:04] <Warlock_> Thank-you yoos....
[00:04] <Lorthirk> no
[00:04] <Lorthirk> you see
[00:04] <yoos> no problem Warlock_
[00:04] <Lorthirk> i have an usb umts dongle
[00:04] <Lorthirk> which is connected to another machine
[00:04] <Lorthirk> and i need this machine to share the connection
[00:05] <Lorthirk> in ubuntu was pretty straightforward, the problem is that i don't have the connection listed under network management even if it's present in ifconfig
[00:06] <avihayb> if it was easy with ubuntu, I'd recommend you install the ubuntu network applet
[00:07] <yoos> hm just fyi, I use wicd to manage my network connections: http://wicd.net/
[00:07] <Lorthirk> but i can't go out on the internet without changing the gateway :(
[00:07] <yoos> what do you mean?
[00:08] <Lorthirk> the question is, is there a reason for network manager to not display my connection?
[00:09] <yoos> avihayb: you mentioned earlier that you had that problem with ignored keyboard inputs
[00:09] <yoos> just wondering, have you had any problems with display updates?
[00:09] <yoos> like patches of the screen not being updated
[00:09] <avihayb> yoos: only when using compiz
[00:10] <yoos> hmm
[00:10] <Bloodstar> cool.
[00:10] <Bloodstar> "bloodstar is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported."
[00:10] <avihayb> Lorthirk: as far as I care to know, the default network manager that comes with kubuntu is broken. it has been for a frw distributions...
[00:11] <Lorthirk> oh, cool
[00:11] <Lorthirk> so, what should i use?
[00:11] <Bloodstar> How would I add myself to that? I don't want to have to log back into "ubuntu" every time I want to install something :|
[00:12] <avihayb> and if you managed to do it with the ubuntu network manager without entering the dns and gateway manually, I can suggest you open a terminal, run ifconfig just to see a list of your interfaces, and then run "sudo dhclient <interface_name>" or just "sudo dhclient"
[00:14] <neversfelde> someone with Jaunty around, who is willing to test new knetworkmanager?
[00:15] <avihayb> Lorthirk: as far as I see, the community is divided between nmapplet, and wicd
[00:15] <skreech> neversfelde: Invite to the devel channel ? :)
[00:16] <skreech> Bloodstar: That's not DE dependent if you aren't there in KDE you aren't there in Gnome either
[00:16] <chrisinajar> so.... I did a dist-upgrade and managed to break absolutely everything, including the automatic removal of most of the kde3 apps including kate, and making it so that i can't install anything anymore........
[00:16] <neversfelde> skreech: hehe, you have jaunty?
[00:16] <avihayb> chrisinajar: me too
[00:16] <chrisinajar> avihayb: yay!
[00:17] <Bloodstar> the same desktop environment is in "ubuntu" and I can run things just fine on that
[00:17] <skreech> neversfelde: Yes but I'm currently trying to unfutz apt
[00:17] <skreech> Bloodstar: what is the command you are running?
[00:17] <chrisinajar> kdebase-workspace-bin made everything go kaboom
[00:17] <neversfelde> skreech: k
[00:17] <Bloodstar> I was doing "sudo apt-get install wpasupplicant" to see if I didn't have it, but apparently I do
[00:18] <skreech> Bloodstar: you have sudo or have wpasupplicant ?
[00:18] <Bloodstar> argh, I know wireless works and my card's supported... I was on a connection earlier
[00:18] <Bloodstar> I apparently have wpasupplicant
[00:18] <skreech> chrisinajar: tried to fix it?
[00:18] <chrisinajar> skreech: working on it.... it doesn't want to install, which is making this pretty difficult :P
[00:19] <chrisinajar> so i currently lack kdebase, i'm pretty sure...
[00:19] <chrisinajar> surprised my session hasn't exploded yet... alt-tab stopped working, but that's about it...
[00:19] <Bloodstar> if only I could get this thing to connect to a WEP-encrypted point
[00:19] <avihayb> well, my upgrade process was interrupted by a well timed rare 30 sec power outage. the solution was to reinstall from disk
[00:19] <avihayb> *disk->cd
[00:19] <chrisinajar> mine wasn't
[00:19] <chrisinajar> mine just failed
[00:19] <chrisinajar> and mega failed
[00:19] <chrisinajar> then removed everything
[00:19] <FloodBotK1> chrisinajar: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:19] <chrisinajar> then continued to fail
[00:20] <chrisinajar> oops, sorreh, force of habit
[00:20] <marco_> italiani???
[00:20] <avihayb> !it
[00:20] <navetz> does anyone know if kde4 has anything like ksnapshot from kde3.5 ??
[00:20] <skreech> chrisinajar: You may have to remove somethings first
[00:21] <yoos> navetz: same app :)
[00:21] <skreech> Bloodstar: What are you using to connect?
[00:21] <avihayb> navetz: I can't distingusih between kde4's ksnapshot, and kde3's
[00:21] <chrisinajar> skreech: it appears to have already done that, kde-window-manager and kdebase-workspace-bin conflict eachother...
[00:21] <Bloodstar> the Plasma widget
[00:21] <chrisinajar> skreech: they share a file, so dpkg is like "NOU!"
[00:21] <skreech> chrisinajar: override that
[00:22] <chrisinajar> oohh, how do you do that?
[00:22] <chrisinajar> --force?
[00:22] <skreech> sudo dpkg -i --overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-window-manager*deb
[00:22] <skreech> where * is replaced with your actual deb file
[00:23] <skreech> Bloodstar: try wicd
[00:23] <Bloodstar> I ran into issues installing it last night
[00:23] <Bloodstar> it conflicted and wouldn't install, if I'm remembering correctly
[00:23] <yoos> with network-manager?
[00:24] <Bloodstar> I'm pretty sure
[00:24] <avihayb> navetz: I just ran them side by side. the kde4 version uses the new kde4 wiget, but they look the same, and function the same
[00:24] <yoos> that's just the plasma widget
[00:24] <skreech> Bloodstar: it replaces the plasma widget
[00:24] <chrisinajar> skreech: it removed kdebase before in a fit of rage, so neither install now :P
[00:24] <chrisinajar> skreech: even with force
[00:24] <skreech> The upside is that it turns on at bootup so you don't need to login to get onthe network
[00:24] <chrisinajar> fun!
[00:25] <skreech> chrisinajar: what's the conflict?
[00:25] <Bloodstar> time to install it then
[00:25] <Bloodstar> gotta switch back to the ubuntu account
[00:26] <yoos> remember to add yourself to sudo!
[00:26] <chrisinajar> skreech: http://paste.ubuntu.com/264699/
[00:26] <Bloodstar> not sure how, yoos
[00:26] <yoos> run "sudo su && visudo"
[00:26] <chrisinajar> skreech: apt got really really mad before......
[00:26] <Bloodstar> I'm pretty new to everything
[00:26] <chrisinajar> oohhh, my icons are going away slowly :D
[00:27] <chrisinajar> that's fun!
[00:27] <yoos> there should be something like
[00:27] <yoos> username    ALL=(ALL) ALL
[00:27] <Bloodstar> as output?
[00:27] <Bloodstar> I didn't get any output
[00:28] <skreech> chrisinajar: :) can you install irssi?
[00:28] <chrisinajar> skreech: already on it
[00:28] <chrisinajar> skreech: on a screen session on a VPS :P
[00:29] <skreech> Great
[00:29] <chrisinajar> yep, irssi is definitely awesome.... Once konsole finally craps out i'll be jumping over to TTY :P
[00:30] <kubuntu_> i need help with something
[00:30] <kubuntu_> is anyone out there who can help a new linux user
[00:30] <skreech> So chrisinajar you need to find the highest aprt of the stack and fix that
[00:30] <skreech> install libqtgui4
[00:30] <kubuntu_> [ added "option" "AccelMethod" "XAA" to my xorg-config file ]  I need somone to tell me how to do this?
[00:30] <chrisinajar> done.....
[00:30] <chrisinajar> haha
[00:31] <skreech> now try a -f install
[00:31] <skreech> kubuntu_: You added it already?
[00:31] <chrisinajar> yep
[00:31] <chrisinajar> done
[00:31] <kubuntu_> No i read it on a forum
[00:31] <kubuntu_> i want to know how to add it
[00:31]  * chrisinajar does a dist-upgrade...
[00:32] <chrisinajar> Let's see how it breaks this time!
[00:32] <skreech> kubuntu_: IN your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file under the Section for your video card
[00:32] <avihayb> kubuntu_:  what's your favorit text editor?
[00:32]  * skreech allows avihayb To lead the charge
[00:32] <avihayb> *favorite
[00:32] <chrisinajar> skreech: btw, apt-get install kdebase-workspace-bin fixed it...
[00:33] <kubuntu_> I am sorry i am new to linux i wouldnt know how to answer you all! i read that this [ added "option" "AccelMethod" "XAA" to my xorg-config file ] would solve my lag problem with the Ati cards
[00:33] <skreech> chrisinajar: Yep The one highest in the stack needs to get sorted out. I'm amazed that aptget upgrades work at all
[00:33] <chrisinajar> skreech: followed, obviously, by a apt-get -f install..... I dunno why it randomly decided to work that time... musta been all the dpkg i was doing...
[00:33] <kubuntu_> there fore i am here asking how to go thru with it
[00:33] <avihayb> kubuntu_: can you open a konsole window?
[00:34]  * skreech winces
[00:34] <chrisinajar> skreech: the whole time i was talking to you i was on packages.ubuntu.com finding and reinstalling the packages that said it conflicted with, one by one......
[00:34] <skreech> can't you at lease kdesudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[00:34] <kubuntu_> Yes i have opend it
[00:34] <skreech> least
[00:34] <skreech> chrisinajar: Probably just needed to ensure the top one gotinstalled as I said
[00:35] <kubuntu_> avihayb: i have opened the KOnsole
[00:35] <avihayb> kubuntu_: ok, type: sudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[00:35]  * skreech smacks avihayb
[00:35] <avihayb> kubuntu_: note that the x is a CAPITAL X
[00:35] <skreech> avihayb: kdesudo
[00:35] <chrisinajar> skreech: yeah, it was just being a silly billy i guess....
[00:35]  * chrisinajar logs out and back in... Lets hope for the best!
[00:35] <skreech> chrisinajar: KDE is a complex beast :)
[00:35] <skreech> chrisinajar: do a dist-upgrade again
[00:35] <skreech> I normally do tow just in case something went missing
[00:36] <avihayb> kubuntu_: you will be prompted for a password. enter your login password
[00:36]  * skreech hits avihayb again
[00:36] <kubuntu_> avihayb: xorg.conf - kate has opend up
[00:36] <avihayb> kubuntu_: you should now have the xorg.conf text file opened in the kate text editor
[00:37] <kubuntu_> avihayb: Yes it is opened
[00:37] <avihayb> there should be about three sections: section "<something>"
[00:38] <kubuntu_> monitor screen device
[00:38] <skreech> !kdesudo > avihayb
[00:38] <chrisinajar> skreech: i did already, before i logged out and back in again..... Kde 4.3 succesfully installed! w00t!
[00:39] <kubuntu_> monitor screen device serviceflags .. these are the sections
[00:39] <avihayb> great, as far as I know (from my own xorg.conf) you want to add your option line in the device section
[00:39] <chrisinajar> skreech: thanks for the hand-holding through the painful painful process of angering the apt gods...
[00:39] <kubuntu_> i wanted to add this "option" "AccelMethod" "XAA" to my xorg-config file,
[00:39] <kubuntu_> how do i add it
[00:40] <chrisinajar> awe, kde integration of pidgin and firefox don't appear to be working... anyone know what package that is? I know i've seen it all pretty like before......
[00:40] <kubuntu_> this is what it shows here
[00:40] <kubuntu_> Section "Device"
[00:40] <kubuntu_> 	Identifier	"Configured Video Device"
[00:40] <kubuntu_> EndSection
[00:40] <FloodBotK1> kubuntu_: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:40] <avihayb> skreech: yes, I know, I just don't use it myself, so I forget it exsists. I'll take care to use it next time, the slap was enough
[00:41] <avihayb> kubuntu_: ok, under the identifier line in the device section, add the new line before the EndSection
[00:42] <kubuntu_> avihayb: Yes i have done that!
[00:43] <avihayb> if you replace my ; for enters, you should get Section "Device";         Identifier    "<something>";          option       "accel Method"      "exa"; EndSection
[00:44] <avihayb> bahh, too late
[00:44] <chrisinajar> anyone know what package makes pidgin and firefox look at KDE4-ish as opposed to all 1990's GTK... I know i've seen it, and it doesn't appear how it should on my computer......
[00:44] <skreech> qt-curve?
[00:45] <genii> chrisinajar: apt-cache search qt | grep gtk                  results might be useful
[00:46] <jeff___> hi
[00:47] <_JuJuBee> I cannot find the hp printer setup tool  Where is it?
[00:48] <_JuJuBee> hplip is already installed but there is no menu item for it.
[00:48] <genii> _JuJuBee: Do you have package hplip-gui installed?
[00:48] <avihayb> _JuJuBee: any chance it shows up as an icon on your systray ?
[00:49] <_JuJuBee> genii : thanks for pointing that out.  It was not installed
[00:49] <genii> np
[00:51] <_JuJuBee> genii : unable to find appropriate su/sudo utility to run hp-setup
[00:53] <genii> _JuJuBee: Haven't seen that one yet
[00:54] <chrisinajar> genii: found it, installed it, didn't help... i even restarted X.... meh, not a big deal...
[00:54] <_JuJuBee> genii : me neither til now.
[00:55] <_JuJuBee> My daughters computer... it works fine on mine...  same version of kubuntu....
[00:55] <genii> chrisinajar: If I recall it requires to be selected also someplace like in Themes. It's been a while since i had to remember
[01:00] <genii> _JuJuBee: Try for experiment: kdesudo hp-setup
[01:00] <genii> (may be trying for gksudo or such)
[01:02] <dbc254> Genii still researching?
[01:02] <chrisinajar> genii: found the configuration in systemsettings, thanks!
[01:02] <genii> dbc254: If I recall your issue is kdm/gdm xsession?
[01:03] <genii> chrisinajar: np
[01:03] <genii> dbc254: Complained of no xsession, says loading default with a confirmation box, etc?
[01:04] <genii> dbc254: Or this may be another user, if so please restate the original problem and I'll work on a solution
[01:08]  * genii makes more coffee
[01:10] <avihayb> say, is there a graphical "theme" editor for kde?
[01:11]  * avihayb thought that genii only sips beer...
[01:11] <genii> avihayb: Coffee during work hours, beer on recreational time
[01:12] <avihayb> :->
[01:26] <avihayb> well the desktop effects applet, claims that if I select extra effects, I'll need to put on a pair of sunglasses. except for shadows, wobly wobly windows and an "improved" task switcher, I can't see anything blinding...
[01:46] <LuisJa> i got some problems trying to play runescape
[01:46] <LuisJa> i already installed sunjava6
[01:46] <LuisJa> but it says runescape cannot start properly because its not allowed, and when i try to check my java in java page it says i dont have the recommended java, can someone help me pls?
[01:55] <avihayb> !info runescape
[02:26] <LuisJa> i got some problems trying to play runescape
[02:26] <LuisJa> i already installed sunjava6
[02:26] <LuisJa> but it says runescape cannot start properly because its not allowed, and when i try to check my java in java page it says i dont have the recommended java, can someone help me pls?
[02:28] <LuisJa> hello???
[02:30] <genii> LuisJa: There are people here. Just likely no one who knows your answer right now.
[02:30] <LuisJa> ...
[02:35] <LuisJa> this is what i have to do to install the recommended java
[02:35] <LuisJa> http://pastebin.ca/1553356
[02:35] <LuisJa> pls i need a step by step explanation :S
[02:36] <LuisJa> dont understand that cd thing, it says the directory doesnt exist
[02:36] <LuisJa> oh by the way, i tried "su" command
[02:37] <LuisJa> but it says autentification failed
[02:37] <genii> LuisJa: Ubuntu does not use rpm, it uses deb
[02:37] <LuisJa> oh LOL
[02:37] <LuisJa> but there is not a deb in the download list :S
[02:38] <genii> !java
[02:39] <LuisJa> !Dapper
[02:39] <genii> LuisJa: Dapper will soon be obsolete and the fact the bot gives is old
[02:39] <LuisJa> DAMN no way, i already have sun-java6-jre installed, but i still have the "runescape its not allowed problem"
[02:40] <LuisJa> but why java says i dont have the recommended?
[02:40] <genii> LuisJa: I saw a bug report about this
[02:40] <LuisJa> uhh?
[02:43] <genii> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/371676
[02:43] <genii> But it offers no suitable solution
[02:45] <shadowhywind> hay all I am setting up a new laptop. It has been a while since I have and have a random question. What is the "rule" for a swap drive. Yes I want to get hibernate/standby working
[02:46] <genii> Twice the ram
[02:46] <LuisJa> no genii
[02:46] <LuisJa> *addition*
[02:46] <LuisJa> Jagex's Runescape issued a patch that resolved this problem. The problem appears to have been with the game's Java.
[02:46] <LuisJa> not true, i still have the problem
[02:46] <genii> LuisJa: Thats why I said "But it offers no suitable solution"
[02:47] <LuisJa> the thing is java page says i dont have the recommended java, and i wanna install than reco, maybe it solves the problemç
[02:47] <LuisJa> yeh...
[02:47] <genii> LuisJa: What says result of command: java -version
[02:48] <LuisJa> http://pastebin.ca/1553370
[02:48] <LuisJa> i love the pastebin widget lol
[02:48] <rmrfslash> I'm trying to look in amarok for an equalizer... can't find one. Read online I need something called "Amarok Engine" which is a bunch of plugins for Amarok. Not sure if this is actually what I needs, and I would rather install something from aptitude so that it is managed. Can someone give me any info about this?
[02:49] <LuisJa> see this also, its the report of what happens from runescape page
[02:49] <LuisJa> http://pastebin.ca/1553371
[02:51] <shadowhywind> sorry, got pulled away, why double the size? (ram is at 3 gb)
[02:52] <LuisJa> genii...
[02:53] <genii> LuisJa: Download: http://javadl.sun.com/webapps/download/AutoDL?BundleId=33884             then make runnable, then run.
[02:54] <LuisJa> make runnable?
[02:54] <genii> shadowhywind: To allow room for stuff that was in the swap at the time you hibernated
[02:54] <LuisJa> how genii?
[02:56] <genii> LuisJa: chmod +x jre-6u16-linux-x64.bin             then ./jre-6u16-linux-x64.bin       When it gets to the confirm page, use Tab and Enter key to accept the license (does not respond to mouse)
[02:57] <LuisJa> luis@Kubuntu:~$ chmod +x jre-6u16-linux-x64.bin
[02:57] <LuisJa> chmod: no se puede acceder a «jre-6u16-linux-x64.bin»: No existe el fichero ó directorio
[02:58] <LuisJa> cannot access
[02:58] <genii> LuisJa: You have to execute that in the same directory you put the download in
[02:58] <LuisJa> i downloaded it in descargas, inside home
[02:58] <LuisJa> how i do it'
[02:59] <genii> LuisJa: If all your downloads are going to Desktop then first cd ~/Desktop    if just to your main home then first cd ~/
[03:03] <LuisJa> LMAO COME ON
[03:03] <LuisJa> luis@Kubuntu:~/Escritorio$ sudo ./jre-6u16-linux-x64.bin
[03:03] <LuisJa> [sudo] password for luis:
[03:03] <LuisJa> sudo: ./jre-6u16-linux-x64.bin: command not found
[03:03] <FloodBotK1> LuisJa: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:03] <LuisJa> genii what happened...
[03:05] <genii> LuisJa: command: ls               shows it there?
[03:05] <LuisJa> uhh?
[03:06] <LuisJa> luis@Kubuntu:~/Escritorio$ ls ./jre-6u16-linux-x64.bin
[03:06] <LuisJa> ./jre-6u16-linux-x64.bin
[03:06] <genii> LuisJa: The result of: ls             is something like: jre-6u16-linux-x64.bin                ?
[03:06] <LuisJa> yes
[03:07] <genii> forget the ./ part right now, that means to run it
[03:07] <LuisJa> so just jre-6u16-linux-x64.bin
[03:07] <LuisJa> genii: bash: jre-6u16-linux-x64.bin: orden no encontrada
[03:07] <LuisJa> genii: bash: jre-6u16-linux-x64.bin: orden no encontrada
[03:07] <LuisJa> ¬¬
[03:07] <FloodBotK1> LuisJa: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:07] <LuisJa> srry doublepaste
[03:07] <genii> LuisJa: You did: chmod +x on it already?
[03:07] <genii> (successfully?)\
[03:08] <LuisJa> genii: chmod +x jre-6u16-linux-x64.bin does nothing
[03:09] <genii> LuisJa: If it said nothing then it was a success. Linux only reports when there is a porblem, not when things work as they should
[03:09] <LuisJa> genii: chmod +x jre-6u16-linux-x64.bin does nothing
[03:09] <navetz> hey does anyone here use quassel?
[03:09] <LuisJa> oh LOL
[03:09] <navetz> is there a quick way to switch between channels?
[03:09] <LuisJa> ok but
[03:09] <LuisJa> genii: luis@Kubuntu:~/Escritorio$ jre-6u16-linux-x64.bin
[03:09] <LuisJa> bash: jre-6u16-linux-x64.bin: orden no encontrada
[03:09] <navetz> also is there a way to copy a persons name so you can reply to them quickly?
[03:10] <genii> LuisJa: Please, stop repeating and repeating and repeating and repeating.... ;)
[03:10] <LuisJa> ok
[03:10] <genii> navetz: I suggest #quassel channel
[03:11] <genii> LuisJa: First, in English what is "orden no encontrada"
[03:11] <LuisJa> command not found
[03:12] <genii> LuisJa: try:  sudo bash <filename-here>
[03:12] <LuisJa> ok
[03:14] <LuisJa> oh my god
[03:14] <LuisJa> i verified my java in java page
[03:14]  * genii makes more coffee
[03:14] <LuisJa> it still says i dont have the recommended ¬¬
[03:15] <LuisJa> is there not a way to uninstall all the java i have????
[03:15] <genii> LuisJa: Then I'm out of ideas on this for now
[03:15] <genii> LuisJa: Other than to keep pestering ppl at runescape about it
[03:16] <LuisJa> ...
[03:16] <LuisJa> maybe if i uninstall java...
[03:16] <LuisJa> and install it again...
[03:16] <genii> It's possible but unlikely to solve
[03:17] <LuisJa> damn but then?!
[03:17] <LuisJa> its runescape fault?!
[03:18] <LuisJa> because in jaunty i could play like heaven..
[03:18] <LuisJa> also if its my fault i will have to load EVERY, EVERY component of the game EVERYTIME i wanna play, that means 1minute of waiting ¬¬
[03:19] <genii> LuisJa: Well, at this time runescape is not a part of (k)ubuntu and so you should complain loudly to them, look on their forums for similar issues and solutions, etc
[03:23] <brian__> does conky run in kde?
[03:24] <leaf-sheep> brian__: Don't put this on me but I don't see why it shouldn't.
[03:24] <leaf-sheep> In fact, I think it'll do fine.
[03:24] <rmrfslash> Can I play AAC on kubuntu?
[03:25] <rmrfslash> I've installed about 900 GB of crap trying to play songs I bought with my hard earned frickin cash on kubuntu.
[03:25] <rmrfslash> nothing has worked
[03:25] <rmrfslash> seriously, what's the trick? what do I need to install?
[03:26] <LuisJa> genii: its runescape problem, it seems runescape released a new graphic engine runetek5 and its a FAIL
[03:26] <LuisJa> support sucks, and its not letting users load the java...
[03:29]  * genii sips and thinks about DRM
[03:29] <LuisJa> DRM?
[03:29]  * rmrfslash sips and punches Apple in the face
[03:29]  * LuisJa is loling
[03:30] <genii> rmrfslash: Did you look at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1117283   yet? It looks the most promising
[03:30] <genii> LuisJa: Digital rights Management
[03:31] <david_trebacz> Kopete is disconnecting from AIM with an unidentified error every few minutes it will reconnect -while MSN stays connected without any problems
[03:32] <david_trebacz> just started happening a few days ago to an otherwise stable machine running KDE 4.3
[03:32] <genii> david_trebacz: They may help you more readily in #kopete channel for that
[03:33] <david_trebacz> Cool thanks -didn't realize there was one
[03:38] <rmrfslash> crap... i installed something which now VLC can play the files however now no sound comes out of VLC
[03:40] <navetz> does anyone know why kate is not saving my settings after i exit
[03:40] <navetz> after i configure kate then exit
[03:40] <navetz> all settings are reset when i restart
[03:41] <BluesKaj> do you kde/sudo kate
[03:47] <selobnilra> anyone help w/ sound?
[04:10] <Coilette> could a person here tell me how to run a command on login?
[04:13] <Coilette> nobody ere knows how to set a command to run on all logins?
[04:19] <Pici> !startup | Coilette perhaps
[04:20] <Coilette> almost.. but i need to to make a setting, not launch a program
[04:20] <Coilette> where is this autostart folder?
[04:22] <Coilette> !startup
[04:23] <Coilette> had to read that again lol.. thanks pici that does help!
[04:27] <Coilette> !Dolphin -> Coilette
[04:27] <rubyist> !dolphin
[04:33] <Coilette> thanks rubyist, i've forgotten its case sensitive
[04:45] <Coilette> hehe, how do i run a command in konsole by a link, like an icon
[05:11] <Coilette> im gonna pull my hair out if i cant turn this stupid single click crap off
[05:11] <Coilette> i want to double slick open stuff... how do i change it!?
[05:31] <navetz> is there a way to change your default folder?
[05:32] <navetz> whenever i go to save something or use a text editor or any program it defaults to /home/name/Documents
[05:32] <navetz> also is there a way to reinstall the icon set for kde4 ?
[07:33] <rhkfin> Anyone know if KDE 4.3.1 has the geolocation plasma engine built-in / available somewhere?
[07:34] <rhkfin> or does it exist yet..
[07:35] <rhkfin> I mean this: http://andrewcoles.blogspot.com/2009/05/where-am-i.html
[07:42] <tdn> How do I prevent a server (PostgreSQL) from starting up on each boot? I would like it to only start up when I need it.
[07:43] <tdn> How do I prevent the Bluetooth device from being enabled? I never use it and would like to save some power.
[07:44] <rhkfin> tdn: postgre: I'd install sysv-rc-conf -package and run the app on command line and deselect postgre there - and do the same for bluetooth there
[07:45] <rhkfin> tdn: it looks like this: http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/sysv_rc_conf.jpg
[07:45] <rhkfin> Each row is a service, each column is a runlevel of the system
[07:45] <rhkfin> -> uncheck all columns of postgre and bluetooth rows and you should be fine
[07:47] <avihayb> rhkfin: http://kde.org/announcements/4.3/
[07:47] <tdn> rhkfin, looks nice. How do I get the same transparent window title bar like this screen dump?
[07:48] <rhkfin> tdn: somewhere in the kde desktop/layout settings..
[07:48] <tdn> rhkfin, oh. That did not go well: http://thomasdamgaard.dk/paste/P1384.html
[07:49] <rhkfin> tdn: oioi!
[07:49] <tdn> rhkfin, what does that mean?
[07:49] <avihayb> rhkfin: look for the string "Geolocation DataEngine"
[07:50] <rhkfin> tdn: I don't know, something failed.. try sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get upgrade and see what happens..
[07:50] <tdn> [140024.795603] debsums[22072] trap invalid opcode ip:7f10a00607ff sp:7fffa85854e0 error:0 in libperl.so.5.10.0[7f109fff9000+167000]
[07:50] <rhkfin> avihayb: ok, thanks, I'll check...
[07:51] <tdn> rhkfin, ok.
[07:52] <tdn> rhkfin, http://thomasdamgaard.dk/paste/P1385.html
[07:52] <tdn> I get this error when running apt-get dist-upgrade: [140288.747287] apt-get[22989]: segfault at 7faa11eb75bc ip 00007f865c4298d8 sp 00007fff648a47c0 error 4 in libapt-pkg-libc6.9-6.so.4.7.0[7f865c3c8000+bc000]
[07:53] <rhkfin> tdn: to me that sound's like a major problem.....
[07:53]  * rhkfin hopes someone skilled would help tdn here...
[07:53] <tdn> rhkfin, huh?! How could this happen?
[07:54] <rhkfin> tdn: no idea, something's broken big time..
[07:55] <tdn> rhkfin, ok. I am a bit worried that this could happen by just installing a package. There must be a way to revert back to the state before I tried installing the package, right?
[07:56] <tdn> rhkfin, I tried stracing apt-get: http://thomasdamgaard.dk/paste/P1386.html
[07:57] <rhkfin> tdn: To me it also sound's like a major problem..
[07:57] <rhkfin> tdn: sorry, I don't understand that stuff..
[07:57] <tdn> rhkfin, ok.
[07:57] <rhkfin> report a bug
[07:57] <tdn> rhkfin, I'm not sure what to report.
[07:59] <rhkfin> tdn: check https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/22354
[07:59] <rhkfin> #22354
[07:59] <tdn> rhkfin, ok.
[08:00] <rhkfin> tdn: -> clean your sources list and try again
[08:00] <rhkfin> and add your comments to the thread if it helps.
[08:01] <tdn> rhkfin, ok.
[08:04] <rhkfin> [plasma dataengines / geolocation] ok found engineexplorer. The geolocation option has 'location' datasource, nothing else and updating doesn't give me any data..
[08:05] <navetz> after upgrading to kde4 kubuntu 9.04 vmware fusion no longer works (it is not supported) does any on know of any fixes/workaround to this?
[08:14] <mohi> hi, how can i upgrade my 9.04 to 9.10 testing?
[08:18] <avihayb> mohi: follow the instructions in the site http://www.kubuntu.org/ to the letter
[08:19] <mohi> it was not said. i find that i have to use "update-notifier-kde -d" to do this. this has not been said antwhere. :-s
[08:23] <avihayb> mohi: you are right, I didn't find any info on it in kubuntu's homepage, but I did find it by following a link in the release notes to ubuntu.com: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha4
[08:25] <mohi> avihayb: yes but they also have not inplimented the way for kubuntu in thereand it might be thought that we have to install and use update-manager to do this. ;-)
[08:26] <avihayb> I'm running kde 3.5.10 with desktop effects (compiz auto installed thingy) and I want to select costume effect, and for that I need a plugin manager, like ccsm. what package should I install?
[08:26] <avihayb> the "ubuntu way" should work for kubuntu too
[08:28] <mohi> compiz-kde maybe
[08:30] <avihayb> I have compiz-kde-kde3 installed
[08:30] <avihayb> I need the gui for selecting what plugins to use
[08:30] <mohi> no idea :-/
[08:57] <rhkfin> Anyone here happen to know anything about qt-firefox? Where's it hiding..?
[09:00] <floh79> Hi, where do I find source-packages (7.10 Gutsy)? I tried with packages.ubuntu.com, but there is no 7.10. Then I tried old-releases.ubuntu.com but I cannot really find it.
[09:02] <avihayb> I need the gui for selecting wadok, the anser to my question was compizconfig-settings-manager-kde3, and then I got an error message. an ubuntu bug report led me to a fix, and all is well.hat plugins to use
[09:05] <floh79> Ah... found in: http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/
[09:05] <floh79> cu
[09:25] <dwidmann>  rhkfin: looked like it might happen for a while there, but then it  never did ... I have doubts as to whether it ever will.
[09:26] <noaXess> Zjoin #php
[09:33] <rhkfin> dwidmann: ok. right..
[09:34] <dwidmann> rhkfin: fortunately firefox still works ... if you don't feel like using it, there are plenty of other things around too ... arora is making nice progress, rekonq might have a promising future, we might soon have a complete google chrome browser too, oh and Opera 10 is out now too
[09:35] <rhkfin> dwidmann: I'd need something that can show tabs in multiple rows: firefox + tabmix plus can do it - I often have too many tabs open for one row only.
[09:35] <rhkfin> rekonq, never heard of, will check
[09:41] <dwidmann> rhkfin: looks like Opera can do the tab thing you're talking about
[09:41] <rhkfin> dwidmann: .. and I also respect freedom & liberty -> opera is not an option :)
[09:43] <dwidmann> True enough
[09:43] <rhkfin> Firefox 3.5 is not bad but.. I'd prefer qt (with decent file dialogs etc..) also konqueror&webkit's not bad
[09:46] <dwidmann> not great either ... konqueror fails as a browser IMO (Sure, it can render web pages really well, but that still doesnt' make it a good browser)
[09:53] <rhkfin> true
[10:01] <avihayb> rhkfin: there is a plugin for firefox called tabgroups
[10:02] <rhkfin> avihayb: on Firefox I have no problems with tabs (tab mix plus works fine)
[10:02] <rhkfin> I'd just like to have some QT-based..
[10:02] <avihayb> well, you can mess around with the gtk render settings
[10:16] <lyhana8> hi, i'm running on hardy and I'm trying to switch sound ouput to my usb headphones, how should I do ?
[10:46] <vhacker> hello
[10:58] <jeeez1> am not able to log into ubuntu. i installed KDE a day back. now even though i type the right pwd, nothing happens in the login screen. any ideas?
[11:04] <bestofad> hi all
[11:06] <Guest17554> hi
[11:17] <airtonix> i'm keen to start creating some plasmoids using jquery... anyone got some experience with this yet?
[11:38] <ubuntu> nekdo cesky?
[11:41] <ubuntu> hallo
[11:42] <ubuntu> hallo
[11:44] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[11:45] <ubuntu> do you speak czech?
[12:00] <navetz> can you still compress as zip?
[12:00] <navetz> i can only see rar and gzip
[12:00] <navetz> but i dunno if people on windows will be able to open these
[12:05] <eduardo> hola
[12:09] <prathap> unable to play videos in any player
[12:10] <prathap> installed restricted extras
[12:12] <prathap> Riddell: if i open any media in vlc its disappering
[12:20] <konfourier> comment ça marche
[12:20] <konfourier> ??
[12:37] <alan_> Hi.
[12:39] <alan_> I have this problem: I got 2 Hard Discs: 1 Pata (with Windows) and 1 Sata (with Linux). How can i choose the disk to boot?
[12:39] <alan_> In the BIOS i select HARD DISC, but i cant select a specific one.
[12:40] <alan_> Any ideas?
[12:42] <bigmack83> I am on ubuntu 9.04, but im trying to use amarok to listen to music. My sound work normally but i get no audio playback when tryign to listen to music in amarok. I have the ubuntu restricted extras package installed and have tried reintalling amarok but no change
[12:42] <bigmack83> anyone know what i can try/do to get audio playback working with amarok?
[12:49] <raphinou_> Are there ways to get better error messages from clojure?
[12:49] <raphinou_> I again lost some time due to an error message "java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: No matching method found: addListener for class eu.webtoolkit.jwt.Signal"
[12:50] <raphinou_> which is not very clear about what it was looking for
[12:50] <raphinou_> I had read on this channel that in the furture clojure release it was getting better, but I'm using 1.1 alpha
[13:13] <skeeter33> anyone know how to get hfs+ to read/write? I have my external mounted, but it's only writable.
[13:16] <skeeter33> oh, and I disabled journaling in OS X too.
[13:40] <gopo> hello
[13:41] <gopo> what's the comand from bash to install adobe flash player?
[13:41] <gopo> does anyone now?
[13:41] <eagles0513875> gopo: its sudo apt-get flashplugin-nonfree
[13:42] <shadeslayer> gopo: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[13:42] <gopo> thx
[13:42] <eagles0513875> ya that works as well shadeslayer
[13:42] <shadeslayer> gopo: that gets you all the restricted formats ;)
[13:42] <eagles0513875> gopo: what shadeslayer said is better it installs all the proprietary codecs and java
[13:42] <gopo> thank you
[13:42] <eragon> Hey all:)
[13:42] <shadeslayer> hehe
[13:42] <shadeslayer> my other self :P
[13:43] <shadeslayer> eragon: hi
[13:44] <Dragnslcr> Actually it's flashplugin-installer now
[13:44] <eragon> I Can't play dvd's when i try to run the dvd i can get to choose Language in lang screen but it stops there.. I have a blueray player and iam on a laptop
[13:44] <shadeslayer> eragon: same command for you too ;)
[13:45] <eragon> I wasenthere...:p
[13:45] <shadeslayer> eragon: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras libdvdcss2
[13:45] <shadeslayer> eragon: libdvdcss2 is a package for reading locked DVD's/BR discs
[13:46] <shadeslayer> !info libdvdcss2 | eragon
[13:46] <eragon> :p
[13:46] <eragon> nice info:p
[13:46] <shadeslayer> eragon: oh right its in medibuntu
[13:46] <eragon> hehe tnx.. iam gonna run the command now and have a look
[13:46] <shadeslayer> !medibuntu | eragon
[13:47] <eragon> allready have that one
[13:47] <eragon> If its not reset when i updated my kernal
[13:49] <eragon> Ahh nice it fixed my
[13:49] <eragon> problem :)
[13:53] <eragon>   get another problem
[13:53] <eragon> red squares flying over t
[13:53] <eragon> the dvd output area..
[13:54] <shadeslayer> eragon: what player?
[13:55] <eragon> wait 1 min
[13:55] <eragon> seems to be a one time deal
[13:56] <eragon> tryed agein worked nicely
[13:56] <shadeslayer> eragon: it could either be : a)a video driver problem or 2) the player itslef
[13:56] <eragon> then it has to be option 1
[13:57] <shadeslayer> eragon: what card?
[13:57] <eragon> because the pc is 110 % working..
[13:57] <eragon>  nvidia geforce 9560m
[13:57] <shadeslayer> eragon: hmm... nvidia drivers should be working then...
[13:58] <eragon> yeah it got sorted out just restarted the player..
[13:58] <eragon> but i cant eject the dvd room
[13:59] <eragon> oki
[13:59] <eragon> my "bad"
[13:59] <eragon> had to use devise Eject from devises:)
[13:59] <eragon> devices*
[14:05] <BluesKaj> hey folks
[14:11] <eragon_> hi
[14:11] <shadeslayer> eragon: hey
[14:11] <eragon_> :)
[14:12] <eragon_> just rsed to get bass:)
[14:12] <eragon_> when i play sound on max i get a nois:)
[14:12] <eragon_> :(*
[14:32] <lettfeti> I'm having some problems with ATI drivers, I've installed by sh ./atidriverpackage but i can't find the catalyst.. there were no problems during the installations
[14:32] <lettfeti> anyone got some sort of remedy or know about this problem
[14:40] <cbit> si buenos dias tengo una pregunta necesito trabajar
[14:41] <cbit> con el compiz en kubuntu
[14:41] <bazhang> !es | cbit
[14:41] <cbit> #ubuntu-es
[14:42] <bazhang> cbit, /join #ubuntu-es
[14:42] <bazhang> or /join #kubuntu-es
[14:42] <cbit> Republica Bolivariana de Venezuela
[14:44] <bazhang>   /join #ubuntu-ve cbit
[14:44] <bazhang> najib, please keep any support questions in channel (ie not PM)
[14:48] <asiakas> 546
[14:54] <eragon> where must i change desktop backgorund to get diffrent on all desktops?:)
[15:00] <ahmos> !lts
[15:01] <MitsuoDeshoDesho> is there a reason my amarok only plays 1 track at a time?
[15:02] <MitsuoDeshoDesho> no action on next/prev/track end.
[15:06] <bochi> Mit* The reason is that Amarok sucks. Try Songbird.  I think I downlaoded the wrong CD. how does one know if they are running 32/64-bit?
[15:08] <darthanubis> look at what you labeled the cd as after you burnt it?
[15:08] <darthanubis> MitsuoDeshoDesho: you have to READ the documentation. Of cource it plays more than one song at a time, like playlists?
[15:08] <eragon> shadowhywind do you have more then 3gb of memory?
[15:09] <shadowhywind> hehe, just did it does say amd64, but I was sure that lsb_release -a would say something with 64 in it
[15:09] <bazhang> shadowhywind, what does uname -a say in the konsole
[15:09] <shadowhywind> ah! thanks bazhang, i used uname -r , forgot about -a
[15:09] <shadowhywind> i did download the right cd after all 64-bit
[15:09] <bazhang> okay :)
[15:11] <MitsuoDeshoDesho> darthanubis, you imply having a playlist of n songs, selecting one and pressing play is not sufficent?
[15:12] <darthanubis> MitsuoDeshoDesho: seems you have figured out how to play one song already? I thought the question was [10:02] <MitsuoDeshoDesho> is there a reason my amarok only plays 1 track at a time?
[15:13] <darthanubis> Amarok plays more than one song at a time, hence my previous answer.
[15:13] <darthanubis> It's not that hard to do
[15:15] <bochi> The Amarok that comes with Jaunty will only play one song at a time. Check the forums. Many had to install an older version, which still sucks. Try Songbird
[15:16] <MitsuoDeshoDesho> smart pants, i know it does, but since version 2 it stopped responding to some actions, like clicks the next/prev.
[15:16] <MitsuoDeshoDesho> and it won't play more than one song every time i hit play
[15:16] <MitsuoDeshoDesho> it just plays one single song to an end and goes silent
[15:19] <bazhang> MitsuoDeshoDesho, is this from collection or playlist? trying it out here right now
[15:21] <darthanubis> You guys don't follow directions very well. Right click your collection, after stopping all playing music. Then click add to playlist. Once you do that, it will play your whole collection, ANY way you please.
[15:22] <MitsuoDeshoDesho> bazhang, collection, dragged to playlist pane
[15:22] <bazhang> MitsuoDeshoDesho, hang on, almost at the end of the song :)
[15:23] <MitsuoDeshoDesho> bazhang, pressing next/prev works?
[15:24] <bazhang> MitsuoDeshoDesho, I have it on collection; from that pulling up an album plays through fine, next, prev as well
[15:25] <MitsuoDeshoDesho> mine doesn't =\
[15:25] <bazhang> MitsuoDeshoDesho, let me dig into the prefs for some clues, hang on a sec
[15:26] <MitsuoDeshoDesho> xine backend is installed and selected
[15:28] <bazhang> MitsuoDeshoDesho, that is exceedingly odd; how big is the song database? perhaps a rebuild would fix it
[15:29] <MitsuoDeshoDesho> bazhang, a few dozens of gigs..
[15:30] <tonga> alguien habla español?
[15:30] <genii> !es | tonga
[15:30] <tonga> Muchas Gracias, Thanks
[15:30] <bazhang> MitsuoDeshoDesho, same here; on the same hdd?
[15:32] <MitsuoDeshoDesho> yes
[15:32] <bazhang> MitsuoDeshoDesho, this is 4.3? I'm still on the standard one
[15:33] <MitsuoDeshoDesho> amarok 2.1 on 4.3.1
[15:33] <MitsuoDeshoDesho> 2.0 didn't work either
[15:34] <bazhang> ah. I'm on Amarok 2.02 and KDE 4.2.2
[15:40] <MTGap> Could anyone help me with mysql on ubuntu, the my.cnf got all messed up...
[15:40] <zeljko> hallo
[15:40] <MTGap> Is there someway I can get mysql to make a new one
[15:52] <jtholmes> has anyone gotten ipaq h2200 to sync with Kontact under Kde4 on Kubuntu 9.04
[15:53] <Tm_T> jtholmes: I sync with google calendar
[15:53] <Tm_T> hx2790 here
[15:55] <jtholmes> Tm_T, interesting, not familiar w/goog calendar, what about contacts?
[15:55] <Tm_T> jtholmes: no luck
[15:56] <jtholmes> Tm_T, thought so, is hx2790  wm2002 wm2003  or wm5/6
[15:56] <Tm_T> jtholmes: wm5
[15:57] <Tm_T> jtholmes: I almost got some years ago it syncing but many things is only almost working with my hardware set
[15:58] <jtholmes> Tm_T, same here
[15:58] <jtholmes> Tm_T, how do you sync your contacts to the hx2790
[15:58] <Tm_T> jtholmes: I don't
[15:58] <jtholmes> Tm_T, thats one way /:
[15:59] <jtholmes> Tm_T, thanks for the info
[15:59] <Tm_T> jtholmes: np
[16:01] <eragon> where must i change desktop backgorund to get diffrent on all desktops?:)
[16:02] <jimmy51_> hello all.  i'm running linux (kubuntu) on all of my household PC's for the first time and am loving it.  I have some server hardware and am looking to setup an open source alternative to windows home server (nightly documents and system/profile backup... easily restorable).  what should i do?
[16:04] <MTGap> uh do you want it to have a gui then?
[16:05] <MTGap> eragon: That isn't possible with KDE 4, I believe it was possible with KDE 3, but there are desktop activities where you can change the desktop background, You'll need to zoom out (cashew > zoom out
[16:06] <eragon> oki..
[16:07] <jackdamiels> Got some question. I have kubuntu 9.04 and I never managed to get some new icons. when ever I change them some icons change and major not
[16:08] <jackdamiels> Is there something that I can do about that
[16:08] <MTGap> jackdamiels: it depends on the icon theme your using, some icon themes from kde-look are not completely up to date and so some of the icon filenames aren't correct.
[16:09] <MTGap> jackdamiels: you can fix this yourself, but it may take some time by looking at oxygen icons. (should be under usr/share/icons/oxygen) and comparing it to your icon theme and renaming yours accordingly
[16:11] <jackdamiels> MTGap I dont understand, what does it mean renaming yours accordingly
[16:11] <jackdamiels> The problem is that I cant even change the xolor of icons
[16:11] <MTGap> jackdamiels: okay so you downloaded a theme from kde-look?
[16:11] <jackdamiels> yes
[16:12] <MTGap> jackdamiels: so when you switch the icon theme in system settings, not all of the icons change that you believe should?
[16:12] <jackdamiels> yes, just few of them
[16:13] <MTGap> jackdamiels: are you sure then that those icons exist?
[16:13] <MTGap> jackdamiels: in your theme
[16:14] <jackdamiels> that might be
[16:14] <jackdamiels> but what with changing colors og default theme
[16:14] <MTGap> jackdamiels: changing the colors how so?
[16:14] <MTGap> jackdamiels: the folder colors?
[16:14] <jackdamiels> yes?
[16:14] <jackdamiels> if it is posible
[16:15] <jackdamiels> I manage to set some effects , but that is applied only to some icons
[16:16] <MTGap> Well, it is possible, one easy thing to do would be to right click a folder > properties > click on the folder icon and browse to the folder you want
[16:16] <jackdamiels> thati is it
[16:17] <MTGap> that won't do it globally but for folders individually
[16:17] <jackdamiels> but how can I do that as roor, because I dont have permission
[16:18] <MTGap> uh well you could just go to konsole and do sudo dolphin You'll have to be careful though
[16:23] <Mamarok> MTGap: not just sudo, to start a GUI you need kdesudo, else you run into problems
[16:23] <Mamarok> MTGap: start a GUI application with administrator rights, that is
[16:24] <MTGap> Mamarok: uh okay I've never had issues
[16:25] <Mamarok> MTGap: well, it causes permission issues galore
[16:25] <Mamarok> also, running GUI apps as root should be used very carefully anyway
[16:25] <Mamarok> it is rarely needed
[16:26] <MTGap> Mamarok: yes I know
[16:35] <konrad_> Anyone else with problem that Project Neon doesn't start since last update a few days ago, and is there no newer nightly build since 20090826?
[16:36] <konrad_> Sorry, wrong channel :)
[16:37] <cuco> hi all, which package  will install me qmake+qt4-devel + gcc + whatever?
[16:37] <cuco> aptitude isntall build-essentials qt4-devel ?
[16:42] <MTGap> Does anyone know about servicemenus for dolphin?
[17:01] <Mist_> Is google chrome in the ubuntu repo?
[17:08] <BluesKaj> Mist_, you can get the url /ppa for chromium at #chromium
[17:09] <Mist_> ah
[17:34] <Laeborg> ad
[17:39] <cumulus007> The new installer look in Kubuntu Karmic looks really neat :)
[17:40] <Peace-> really?
[17:40] <Peace-> have you tried?
[17:41] <Peace-> i have tried karmic but i have not see that , i have tried live cd...
[17:42] <cumulus007> Peace-: check it out: http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/2318/kubuntu910installer1y.png
[17:43] <Peace-> ty
[17:44] <Peace-> oh that
[17:44] <Peace-> oh ok i haven't tried to install so
[17:44] <divx> hello
[17:44] <Peace-> i haven't see
[17:51] <MTGap> Does anyone know how to have servicemenus for dolphin, I know how to do it for konqueror, I followed these directions but the folders they say to put it under don't exist
[18:05] <dwidmann> MTGap: what folders did they say?
[18:06] <MTGap> I was looking at this forum post: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3088743.0
[18:08] <dwidmann> MTGap: I'm thinking /usr/share/kde4/services/, maybe.
[18:08] <MTGap> yeah I don't I'll have to fool around with it more.
[18:08] <dwidmann> hmm, maybe not
[18:08] <MTGap> There was a lot of services folders that I found
[18:11] <Dragnslcr> MTGap- I tried messing with one a few days ago, and it seemed to work fine. Let me try to dig up which one it was
[18:11] <dwidmann> maybe /usr/share/kde4/services/ServiceMenus?
[18:12] <dwidmann> That's it, I guarentee it.
[18:12] <Dragnslcr> Yup, it is
[18:12] <Dragnslcr> Was just about to paste that
[18:12] <dwidmann> huzzah for locate and grep :)
[18:13] <Dragnslcr> Heh
[18:13] <Dragnslcr> I only needed history and grep
[18:24] <user____> hi!
[18:25] <user____> I right cliked on my desktop and got to appearance settings. there it said desktop (where you can set the wallpaper), the other option was "Folder View". I was curious what it is and clicked it. Now I cannot undo it anymore.
[18:25] <user____> What can I do to undo it?
[18:26] <user____> opening it again and clicking on desktop doen'T change it.
[18:26] <user____> I want it not to display any folder's content - only tin the default plasma or what it is called - now I have it in both
[18:26] <user____> anybody can help?
[18:27] <Dragnslcr> If you click the settings icon in the top right corner of the screen, you can get to Desktop Settings
[18:28] <Dragnslcr> From there you can change the type from Folder View back to Desktop
[18:28] <user____> i did
[18:28] <user____> but clicking on "apply" and closing does not change a thing
[18:28] <user____> and reopening it, it shows again "Folder View" - or am I to stupid?
[18:29] <user____> does it need a restart?
[18:29] <Dragnslcr> I don't know then. What version of KDE?
[18:29] <user____> a least for changing it to this folder view it needed no restart
[18:29] <user____> kubuntu jaunty jack
[18:29] <user____> dunno what kde this has
[18:32] <MTGap> go to any kde app and in the menu help> about kde
[18:32] <MTGap> it says what version there
[18:36] <BluesKaj> trying out quassel , still has the ugly coloured text which i don't feel like resetting
[18:36] <mateo> hullo
[18:37] <DonMateo> running Kubuntu 9.04 in VMware now
[18:42] <user____> kde4.2.2
[18:47] <DonMateo> same here
[18:47] <user____> but i don't know how to undo the appearance setting "Folder View" back to "Desktop"
[18:48] <DonMateo> where did you set it firstly?
[18:49]  * hamit hi all
[18:50] <user____> right clicked on desktop bakcround then on "appearance settings" there I changed "Desktop" to "Folder View" and it took effect immediately after hitting "apply".
[18:50] <user____> If I set it again back to "Desktop" and hit "apply" and "ok" nothing changes however
[18:52] <DonMateo> that's strange. Mine works okay
[18:52] <user____> maybe after a restzart it'll take effect. I hope so at least. right now, however I cannot restart.
[18:53] <user____> I also hit F5 for reloading the desktop and still looks the same
[18:53] <DonMateo> try relogin if you can
[18:53] <user____> also: I once saw that someone using slackwere or so could set differetn wallpapers for each of the for desktops.
[18:54] <user____> is that possbile in kubuntu as well?
[18:54] <user____> and could I even customize it so far that Desktop # 1 has a different set of icons dispalyed than desktop # 2, 3 and 4?
[18:58] <DonMateo> I don't think that's possible
[19:07] <jimmy51_> hello all.  i'm running linux (kubuntu) on all of my household PC's for the first time and am loving it.  I have some server hardware and am looking to setup an open source alternative to windows home server (nightly documents and system/profile backup... easily restorable).  what should i do?
[19:15] <hiro1> i have a problem, when i try to connect to my old hotmail-msn account with kopete, i just cant. I get the error MSN: Error: basic_string::_S_construct NULL not valid. I can use a newer one. I can use the old one with pidgin, and other im-clients. Only kopete has this problem. Anyone has any idea? Google does not give much help...
[19:18] <Dragnslcr> jimmy51_- I don't know anything about any of the domain management stuff, but if you're just looking for backup handling, you can just setup rsync or rdiff-backup on each computer
[19:18] <jimmy51_> Dragnslcr: is that an easy to use, GUI app?
[19:19] <jimmy51_> (something i could talk my dad through over the phone)
[19:19] <Dragnslcr> I set up rdiff-backup as a cron job. There are probably GUI's for it
[19:19] <Dragnslcr> I'm not sure offhand what Keep uses on the backend
[19:20] <Dragnslcr> Hm, I guess Keep isn't maintained anymore
[19:23] <Brian___> knetwork manager doesnt start when i login anymore where do i fix this
[19:23] <Brian___> sessiojns?
[19:24] <shadeslayer> Brian___: um,which KDE release?
[19:24] <Brian___> kde 4.3  sorry
[19:24] <shadeslayer> Brian___: 4.3 and onwards knetwork manager has been replaced
[19:25] <shadeslayer> for the time being... there should be a n/w manager in the system tray
[19:25] <Brian___> its not there
[19:25] <Brian___> it was but not anymore
[19:26] <shadeslayer> Brian___: ok type : nm-applet in krunner
[19:26] <jimmy51_> thanks Dragnslcr.  I'll look into GUI for rdiff
[19:26] <jimmy51_> do you feel it's reasonable time/compression wise?
[19:26] <Dragnslcr> !info sbackup | jimmy51_
[19:27] <Brian___> shadeslayer: thank you  how do i add thisw to the startup apps
[19:27] <Dragnslcr> That seems to be a recommended GUI, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem/SimpleBackupSuite
[19:28] <jimmy51_>  sweet
[19:28] <shadeslayer> Brian___: well add the command to the autostart script
[19:28] <Brian___> karmic alfa 5 just got realesed  anyone try it yet
[19:29] <shadeslayer> Brian___: im on alpha
[19:29] <maximus_> helo
[19:30] <Brian___> i want to try it last time i did my broadcom driver didnt work
[19:30] <Brian___> on alfa 4
[19:30] <maximus_>  sups
[19:32] <jimmy51_> Dragnslcr: reading that link, it looks like what I want.  i can set up any old network storage server, and dump to it using the sbackup client
[19:32] <jimmy51_> Dragnslcr: i suppose i could make a bootable USB stick or something that contains the sbackup client, so i could restore to the HDD if it were unbootable
[19:48] <apparle> I have an intel based motherboard on which desktop effects are not working on 9.04............but they worked on 8.10
[19:48] <genii> !intel
[19:49] <apparle> I want to setup a mirror for college use............how to
[19:51] <shadeslayer> !mirror | apparle
[19:52] <shadeslayer> apparle: more : http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/mirror
[20:12] <raindog> I'm looking for a good mass audio tag editor like easytag but for KDE.  Any suggestions?
[20:13] <Ash-Fox> raindog, I use amarok.
[20:14] <vivek> hi
[20:14] <raindog> Ash-Fox: I haven't used it for tag editing yet.  I'll look into it.
[20:14] <Ash-Fox> All you need to do is select all the files you want to edit and right click edit
[20:14] <Ash-Fox> In amarok that is.
[20:16] <avihay> raindog: I've once found in synaptic, a package that let's you mount a filesystem that shows files in a tree structure based on theyre tags
[20:16] <avihay> and moveing files from folder to folder also changes the file's tags
[20:17] <raindog> avihay: Interesting.
[20:18] <vivek> hey,,i m not geetin 3d effects on desktop,,can u help
[20:18] <vivek> i have compiz
[20:19] <Neelesh> vivek this can be ur gfx driver
[20:19] <Neelesh> :)
[20:20] <vivek> i've checked it,,its workin fin
[20:20] <vivek> e
[20:20] <Neelesh> what gfx crad u have ? :)
[20:20] <Neelesh> card*
[20:22] <Neelesh> hey how can we ping in irc? :P
[20:22] <Neelesh> whats the comand plz? :P
[20:22] <vivek> i have intel graphics card
[20:22] <vivek> dedicated
[20:23] <vivek> glxgears,,,i dont remember exactly
[20:23] <Neelesh> vivek im not sure..but maybe the gfx card is not appropriate to display the 3D view :(
[20:23] <vivek> but somethin like that
[20:23] <Neelesh> im not sure mate :) u can ask on kubuntu forum :)
[20:24] <BluesKaj> !intel
[20:24] <vivek> fine,,buddy
[20:24] <Neelesh> :)
[20:36] <avihay> !info pytagsfs | raindog
[20:37] <raindog> avihay: Thanks.
[20:40] <coilette> My X is crashing almost at random, and i can induce it... how do i fix it?
[20:41] <avihay> coilette: can you guess where is the problem? video related/audio related/ memory related
[20:42] <coilette> No i dont know, it usually crashes when a program loads
[20:42] <coilette> but it didt do this a few days ago.. but theres been alot of thngs changed since then
[20:43] <coilette> I may just have to reinstall
[20:43] <coilette> whats the command to reconfigure X and reset everything to default?
[20:44] <coilette> or is it recompile.. i forgoten
[20:46] <faZe> coilette: next time get a backup before u change something... :) would be the easiest way
[20:47] <coilette> oh i dont really have anything that needs to be restored.. i just want this to be fixed
[20:47] <coilette> but if i reinstall and it comes back, im right here again
[20:47] <shadowhywind> hay all random issue, My wireless light keeps flashing depending on internet traffic, any ideas on how to not make it do that?
[20:48] <coilette> is there a function button on your laptop?
[20:48] <coilette> i know i have one
[20:50]  * genii considers advising to cut the LED power leads
[20:50] <shadowhywind> coilette: the wireless light has its own button, which turns on/off the wireless
[20:50] <coilette> oic
[20:51] <shadowhywind> When it connects to my router, it turns blue. But when I say search for something on google, the light starts flashing, till the page loads
[20:51] <genii> shadowhywind: Normal.
[20:51] <coilette> hehe whats xservers pakage name?
[20:51] <shadowhywind> genii: how is that normal?!?! lol, I never had that happen on my old laptop
[20:51] <genii> shadowhywind: Also it's a hardware thing and not a software thing whether the light shines or not, usually
[20:52] <shadowhywind> genii: damn! hehe my next question was going to be any ideas on how to make that light change depending on my mute/unmute status
[20:52] <genii> shadowhywind: On some adapters the light is only to show power is on. so never blink. On most new the light indicates traffic
[20:53] <coilette> hehe finish this command : sudo dpkg configure... for Xserver
[20:53] <shadowhywind> genii: ah, my old laptop was 2-3 years old
[20:54] <coilette> i actually wouldnt mind an activity light for my wireless
[20:54] <shadowhywind> I should be happy though, I don't have to apply any ugly fixes for the load cycle count
[20:55] <shadowhywind> My only issue with it, is that the wireless "activity" light is above the keyboard in the middle
[20:55] <Dragnslcr> There's a real simple fix for problems with blinking lights
[20:56] <shadowhywind> Dragnslcr: oh?!
[20:56] <genii> shadowhywind: Put some tape over it :)
[20:56] <shadowhywind> and no eletical tape
[20:56] <Dragnslcr> Black electrical tape
[20:56] <shadowhywind> hehe
[20:56] <shadowhywind> laptop ist about 6 hours old, don't want to modify it that way just ye
[20:56] <BluesKaj> duct tape
[20:57] <Dragnslcr> Duct tape is just slightly overkill, don't ya think?
[20:57] <BluesKaj> yup
[20:57] <shadowhywind> (surprise no one said black nail polish)
[20:57] <BluesKaj> :)
[21:00] <genii> Those circles from inside paper-hole reinforcement things work in a pinch
[21:00] <shadowhywind> genii: I might just do that to cover the windows key
[21:01] <shadowhywind> that or send in to get the free ubuntu logo stickers
[21:03] <BluesKaj> strange positioning for the wifi activiy indicator, this one has all the lights grouped at the front
[21:05] <shadowhywind> My old laptop it was up in front on the side
[21:05] <shadowhywind> this ones just strange, both the power and wireless are right before the screen
[21:09] <mirko> problem: I recovered some jpeg-files with "testdisk" but the computer could not open them
[21:11] <mirko> how can I repair this damaged jpeg-files?
[21:11] <mirko> thks
[21:16] <Brian____> ok so i just installed kubuntu karmic alfa 5 and when i click on network managment  the wireless tab cant be clicked on
[21:17] <Brian____> alpha
[21:18] <MTGap> Does anyone know the location of kopete's weird system tray animation?
[21:19] <BluesKaj> MTGap, kopete config options
[21:19] <MTGap> BluesKaj: Yes, but the actual file location for that animation, I would like to change
[21:19] <MTGap> it*
[21:23] <BluesKaj> MTGap, dunno if that's possible
[21:23] <avihay> simlink?
[21:23] <MTGap> BluesKaj: well of course it's possible it's just an image that is the animation, I need to know where the file is
[21:24] <Brian____> what network should i use for a broadcom wifi card in karmic koala networkmanager0.7, wicd, or fakenet
[21:24] <avihay> MTGap: do you have synaptic installed?
[21:24] <MTGap> avihay: what does that have to do with my question?
[21:25] <avihay> well, part of the information that the package system holds is where a program installs it's files
[21:25] <BluesKaj> the executables are usuallyin /usr/bin ,but dunno about kopete...I removed it infavour of pidgin
[21:26] <MTGap> ok avihay so how do I look at that information?
[21:26] <avihay> via synaptic it's realy easy to tell where it is because synaptic is by far one of the easyest package managers there are if not the easyest
[21:27] <MTGap> avihay: yeah ok so what do I do to do that...
[21:27] <apparle> !kernel
[21:27] <avihay> run synaptic, type keopet in the search box, right click->properties, go to the installed files tab
[21:27] <LuisJa> hi, i am not able to play runescape, i am having the exact same problem as this page, is there a solution?
[21:27] <LuisJa> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=502318
[21:28] <apparle> where do I start for compiling a custom kernel
[21:28] <MTGap> cool avihay thanks for the info
[21:30] <avihay> I don't belive humans were ever able to adept to adept
[21:30] <LuisJa> ....
[21:32] <avihay> LuisJa: what is runescape?
[21:32] <LuisJa> LOOOL
[21:32] <LuisJa> ...
[21:32] <LuisJa> an internet game :)
[21:32] <LuisJa> than used java :)
[21:32] <LuisJa> uses*
[21:37] <MTGap> lol finally found it... couldn't find it before because it is a .mng file
[21:37] <mirko> anyone knows how to fix jpeg-files, recoverd with "testdisk"?
[21:37] <genii> LuisJa: We went through this runescape issue yesterday. Please don't keep re-hashing it here.
[21:37] <LuisJa> yah but
[21:37] <LuisJa> the bug is reported
[21:37] <LuisJa> and it seems is not runescape fault...
[21:37] <LuisJa> cause...
[21:38] <LuisJa> its only in linux ¬¬
[21:38] <LuisJa> i used a vista laptop and it worked fine
[21:39] <genii> LuisJa: At this time nothing more can be done for you in this issue, at least in this channel.
[21:40] <LuisJa> can i lol?
[21:46] <mirko> ..
[21:46] <mirko> does anybody know how to fix jpeg-files, recovered by "testdisk"?
[21:54] <mfvegas88> hello i am trying to figure out how to file transfer over irc can you help?
[22:03] <navetz> can anyone here help me get my java applets working?
[22:03] <navetz> i am using kubuntu 9.04
[22:04] <MTGap> They aren't working in konqueror?
[22:04] <navetz> MTGap nope, they use to work in konqueror and it was buggy in firefox
[22:04] <navetz> MTGap then i upgraded from 8.04 to 9.04
[22:04] <navetz> and now it says loading applet in konqueror, and firefox just freezes
[22:05] <MTGap> navetz: okay well it shouldn't be buggy in firefox but I think I know how to fix it in konqueror
[22:05] <MTGap> Go to Settings > Configure Konqueror
[22:05] <navetz> MTGap: alright
[22:05] <MTGap> navetz: Under Web Browsing go to Java & Javascript
[22:06] <navetz> MTGap: alright here
[22:06] <MTGap> There you will see the field: Path to Java executable
[22:06] <navetz> MTGap: yup i see it, it says java
[22:06] <MTGap> now it depends on where java is installed on your system, but yeah it says java in the field for
[22:06] <MTGap> you
[22:06] <MTGap> so replace it with /usr/bin/java which is most likely where java is installed for you
[22:07] <navetz> MTGap: alright done
[22:07] <navetz> MTGap: ill test it
[22:07] <MTGap> Okay
[22:09] <navetz> MTGap: humm nope still the same thing in knoqueror
[22:10] <navetz> MTGap: says loading applet: then it asks me for permissions, i grant permission and it goes blank
[22:10] <navetz> could I possibly have to re-install java?
[22:11] <avihay> LuisJa: runeScape seems to be working fine for me
[22:11] <avihay> well, actually I can't get it to work in HD mode
[22:12] <avihay> I take that back, it crashed my system
[22:20] <mfvegas88> hello i need help with joining a server can anyone help me?
[22:29] <jhutchins_lt> Not of you don't stick around.
[22:29] <jhutchins_lt> s/of/if/
[22:31] <genii> jhutchins_lt: I was thinking that also
[22:43] <Benkinooby> what is the difference between apt-get and aptitude? they are both package-managers, doing the same thing....
[22:43] <Dragnslcr> aptitude is a front-end for apt
[22:44] <genii> No
[22:44] <genii> Both are front ends to dpkg
[22:44] <Dragnslcr> Really? I thought aptitude used the same apt source list, database, etc.
[22:46] <genii> Yes, they do.
[22:46] <genii> The major difference used to be how they handled dependencies, aptitude would do a better job
[22:47] <genii> now about same
[22:49] <Benkinooby> i also heard that aptitude manages deps in a better way but i also heard a lot of this frontend-talk. as far as i understood, aptitude is NOT the frontend of apt like genii says
[22:49] <Benkinooby> thx fpr adivce
[22:49] <Benkinooby> for
[22:49] <Dragnslcr> I dunno
[22:50] <Dragnslcr> "aptitude is a terminal-based package manager for Unix-like operating systems that use the APT suite for package management."
[22:50] <Dragnslcr> Might not be a direct front-end for apt-get, but that would imply that it at least uses the apt libraries
[22:53] <cuznt> um if i have 64 bit does my install know it or must i do somethiing special
[22:55] <Dragnslcr> cuznt- if you want to install the 64-bit version of Ubuntu, you should download the 64-bit disc
[22:58] <Benkinooby> what options/command should i give aptitude when i do the upgrade to <IP_ADDRESS>.15? "sudo aptitude -f -safe-upgrade"
[23:00] <Benkinooby> if i do "aptitude -safe-upgrade" and afterwards, when i know the upgrade works, do "aptitude -full-upgrade", will it remove the old kernel?
[23:37] <Warlock_> Can someone give me instruction on how to resize my hard drive so I can write then down..I do not wanna loose any data if at all possible
[23:47] <cuznt> i have a AMD Sempron LE-1250 / 2.2 GHz processor w/ 2g ram i should get more before i think about 64bit?
[23:49] <BluesKaj> cuznt, you can but 64 bit runs fine on 2G ram
[23:50] <yoos> I used to run it on 1 :D
[23:51] <cuznt> nice
[23:51] <cuznt> ty
[23:51] <cuznt> i am quite excited..
[23:53] <BluesKaj> cuznt, I've heard there's a marked increase in performannce with 64 bit on 4G Ram
[23:54] <BluesKaj> I have 2 G as well and I may switch back to 64 bit once the media and flash probs are ironed out
[23:55] <BluesKaj> and increase ram to 4


[18:08] <hydoskee> is there a way to set a "display" environment variable in an upstart service?
[18:15] <jodh> hydoskee: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#run-a-gui-application


[02:41] <mfisch> We don't need LP bugs to merge new versions do we? Or is thee a policy
[02:45] <Noskcaj> mfisch, i think it's if it's a different person doing it.
[02:45] <mfisch> Noskcaj: different from the maintainer?
[02:52] <Noskcaj> yeah
[02:52] <Noskcaj> the ubuntu maintainer
[02:53] <mfisch> and if the maintainer is just "Ubuntu developers" I think it's fair game without a bug
[02:55] <Noskcaj> I'd agree
[02:55] <Noskcaj> hello Logan_
[02:56] <Logan_> Hi Jackson.
[02:57] <mfisch> Thanks Noskcaj
[02:57] <Noskcaj> I've merged the latest version of backuppc from debian. what do i need to attach to the bug other than the new tarball
[02:57] <Noskcaj> no problem mfisch
[02:58] <Noskcaj> bug 1201029
[03:17] <Logan_> Noskcaj: Did you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Merging?
[03:24] <Noskcaj> Yeah, the debdiff link is broken and the only page on the wiki is outdated
[03:25] <micahg> mfisch: the bugs serve 2 purposes, to allow sponsors to gain sponsorship and to notify someone that you're working on the merge, if you're the TIL person, a bug shouldn't be needed
[03:26] <mfisch> micahg: sorry, TIL? I can only think of the reddit meaning
[03:27] <micahg> touched it last
[03:27] <Logan_> TIL that TIL means "touched it last" in Ubuntu. :P
[03:27]  * Logan_ waves to Micah.
[03:27] <mfisch> Logan_: perfect
[03:28] <mfisch> TIL in this case is seb
[03:28] <mfisch> but it's been out of sync since mid-June, so I don't think seb is going to work on it
[03:29] <micahg> mfisch: it's still good to ask unless it's marked on merges.ubuntu.com as free to take
[03:30] <Logan_> micahg: Hey, do you know the situation with charybdis?
[03:30] <Logan_> 3.4.2-1 has been in unstable for 12 days, and $ syncpackage --force charybdis returns:
[03:30] <mfisch> micahg: okay, I'll ping seb
[03:30] <Logan_> syncpackage: Error: Debian version 3.4.2-1 has not been picked up by LP yet. Please try again later.
[03:31] <micahg> https://launchpad.net/debian/+source/charybdis
[03:31] <Logan_> It's not there. :(
[03:31] <micahg> Logan_: file a request on answers.launchpad.net/launchpad
[03:32] <micahg> or ask in #launchpad
[03:32] <Logan_> Doing.
[03:35] <mfisch> micahg: are ubuntu branches in lp updated directly after a dput or is manual work required with bzr (I assume automatic)?
[03:35] <Logan_> The former.
[03:35] <mfisch> right
[03:35] <micahg> with a slight time delay
[03:36] <Logan_> You can push to Bazaar as well, but it really doesn't do much.
[03:36] <Logan_> The package importer does all of the commits for you.
[03:36] <mfisch> in my last upload, upstream was bzr
[03:36] <mfisch> so I pushed there and dput but did not push to the source package branch in lp
[03:36] <micahg> mfisch: check here for importer issues: http://package-import.ubuntu.com/status/
[03:37] <micahg> bugs go here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/udd/+filebug
[03:41] <Logan_> And they will never be looked at.
[03:41]  * Logan_ hides.
[03:41] <mfisch> I looked at one once
[03:41] <mfisch> for a package merge I was interested in, I could not make any sense of it
[09:19] <obounaim> Hi everybody
[15:52] <Logan_> How does one go about joining ~ubuntu-sponsors?
[15:59] <iulian> Logan_: Ask the admins to add you.
[16:00] <Logan_> kees: Are you around?
[20:19] <TheLordOfTime> i assume it's impossible to get a "new" package that didn't exist previously into 13.04 directly while skipping over currentDevelRelease?
[20:50] <iulian> TheLordOfTime: Right.
[21:07] <TheLordOfTime> iulian:  that's what I thought
[21:07] <TheLordOfTime> iulian:  any way to figure out why something doesn't show in the archives, then?>
[21:07] <TheLordOfTime> (in the off chance it was removed how do i figure that one out)
[21:22] <jbicha> TheLordOfTime: if it was in Ubuntu, it would have a page like https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-express and you can click the top right link to see its publishing history
[21:23] <Logan_> Every single package is failing at UDD...
[21:23]  * Logan_ sighs.
[21:23] <TheLordOfTime> jbicha:  yeah i'm curious because one person is reporting their installer calling for `finish-install` and it's missing, so...
[21:24] <TheLordOfTime> (in raring)
[21:25] <TheLordOfTime> or rather "when they're installing with jigdo"
[21:26] <Logan_> Hey Jeremy. :)


[03:24] <vk5foss> asac: you 'bout?
[07:47] <jtv> Morning everyone
[09:20] <fta> armin76, http://jldugger.livejournal.com/19151.html
[09:23]  * armin76 yawns
[09:24] <fta> switch
[10:19] <gnomefreak> yay lots of OO.o-3.0 updates :)
[10:34] <gnomefreak> asac: when i run autoconf2.13 no matter what dir im in it tells me it cant read changelog
[10:34] <gnomefreak> using dpatch
[10:36] <asac> gnomefreak: autoconf2.13 doesnt read changelog at all ;)
[10:36] <gnomefreak> i know hence the problem
[10:36] <fta2> hi
[10:37] <gnomefreak> i run dpatch-edit-patch it puts me in tmp/* and no matter where i go gives me same error
[10:39] <gnomefreak> i ran it both ways with patch name and without i get same thing, when im in tmp/* im supposed to run it in mozilla dir. but i cant cd into mozilla dir.
[10:48] <gnomefreak> asac: fta2 here are commands and dir listed something isnt right here for some reason i cant enter mozilla dir. to run autoconf
[10:48] <gnomefreak> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/544534 link <<
[10:49] <fta2> what do you have inside ubuntu-0.x/ ?
[10:50] <gnomefreak> same issue if i run it in mozilla dir. for some reason dpatch is removing build-area all to gether
[10:50] <gnomefreak> fta2: debian
[10:50] <fta2> do a ls -l after line 73
[10:50] <fta2> no tarball?
[10:51] <gnomefreak> total 4
[10:51] <gnomefreak> drwxr-xr-x 6 gnomefreak gnomefreak 4096 Sep 26 09:36 debian
[10:51] <gnomefreak> fta2: its in tarballs dir
[10:51] <fta2> then you forgot to merge, is that from a branch?
[10:51] <gnomefreak> fta2: debian is yes
[10:51] <fta2> bzr bd --merge
[10:51] <fta2> then go to build-area and edit your patch
[10:52] <gnomefreak> k ill try
[10:52] <fta2> asac, did you have a look at my QT page?
[10:53] <gnomefreak> i dont want it to build yet :(
[10:53] <gnomefreak> i guess it has to
[10:54] <fta2> doesn't matter, interrupt it
[10:54] <fta2> just after the patches are applied
[10:54] <fta2> so if it's an embedded tarball, it will be already unpacked
[11:02] <gnomefreak> fta2: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/544553
[11:02] <gnomefreak> i should not get that error at all
[11:03] <fta2> run it two levels above
[11:03] <asac> fta2: qt?
[11:03] <fta2> it is looking for the debian dir, not mozilla
[11:04] <gnomefreak> ah
[11:04] <fta2> asac, Sep 28 20:34:51 <fta>   asac, i've experimented a bit with the QT support in 3.1. I've drafted my ideas on the wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/QT  please let me know what you think
[11:04] <fta2> ok, lunch time, cu
[11:05]  * gnomefreak thought mozilla was working on porting QT
[11:05] <fta2> read 1st :)
[11:05] <gnomefreak> waiting for it
[11:05] <fta2> it didn't do the port myself, i'm not crazy enough
[11:07] <gnomefreak> we cant just add ...-qt to control i guess
[11:10] <gnomefreak> running dpatch-edit-patch in ~/lightning-sunbird-builds/work/build-area/lightning-sunb
[11:10] <gnomefreak> ird-0.9~cvs20080922t0147+nobinonly
[11:10] <gnomefreak> removes mozilla dir
[11:17] <gnomefreak> ah its not using a patch system i misread .patch for .dpatch
[11:20] <gnomefreak> it is using quilt but i dont rememmber quilt using series file
[11:31] <asac> fta2: why do we need a new source package for ffox 3.1?
[11:38] <gnomefreak> ok fuck sunbird for now i have to fix a patch or 2 and cant do it now, ill be back later i have to clean carpets
[11:38] <fta2> asac, how do you do a build-dep of xul-qt vs xul-gtk then?
[11:45] <asac> fta2: why is firefox build depending on qt/gtk peculiarities?
[11:45] <asac> fta2: my quess is that a ffox buil against -gtk _should_ work against -qt
[12:47] <fta2> well, i didn't try that yet.
[12:47] <fta2> i will
[12:47] <fta2> but not today
[16:37] <jcastro> asac: do you guys have a specific person that looks after thunderbird or is it a general team effort?
[16:44] <asac_> reconnect
[16:45] <asac_> 17:37 < jcastro> asac: do you guys have a specific person that looks after thunderbird or is it a  general team effort?
[16:45] <asac_> 17:42 < asac> jcastro: anything specific?
[16:51] <jcastro> asac: yeah just a few questions - which is the preferred source name, thunderbird or mozilla-thunderbird?
[16:51] <jcastro> we have 2
[16:52] <asac_> jcastro: mozilla-thunderbird is the _old_ one
[16:52] <asac_> thunderbird the new one
[16:52] <jcastro> ok
[16:52] <asac_> and thunderbird-3.0 will be tbitrd 3.0
[16:52] <asac_> in the end it will be like firefox
[16:52] <jcastro> k
[16:53] <jcastro> are you guys making an effort to open upstream tasks as you triage?
[16:55] <asac_> jcastro: the answer is obvious isnt it ;)
[16:55] <jcastro> well, I meant "from now on" :p
[16:56] <wikz> fta2: why is NSS_DYNAMIC_SOFTOKN set to 0 using the patch .is it something to do because we don't build it as static but as shared ?
[16:56] <wikz> asac:
[16:57] <asac> jcastro: personally, i cannot really commit that. we dont have the resources to properly triage all bugs - as sad as it is. we would need support from QA here.
[16:57] <jcastro> asac: *nod*
[16:57] <asac> jcastro: so what we do is to try to spot serious bugs
[16:57] <asac> and work on those
[16:58] <asac> jcastro: if firefox would be split in multiple packages
[16:58] <asac> that would be better
[16:58] <asac> launchpad is just not usable anymore for that package
[16:58] <asac> i mean, i see a bug ... then i get another mail about a dupe and i cannot find the other bug anymore
[16:59] <jcastro> I suspect it's the same thing with the kernel team
[17:00] <asac> jcastro: so on top of lack of time we are also struck by the fact that launchpad isnt really good at doing large packages with lots of bugs
[17:00] <asac> jcastro: yeah. i think linux probabyl gets even more bugs
[17:01] <jcastro> ok so really, the lack of upstreamable tasks is just a symptom of a larger problem, is what you're trying to say?
[17:01] <asac> but the bugs can be much easier isolated ... like bug in driver X, Y, Z .... so it might be even easier for new folks to help
[17:01] <asac> jcastro: there are multiple things:
[17:01] <asac> 1. too many bugs
[17:02] <asac> 2. too many low severity bugs or wishlist bugs
[17:02] <asac> 3. too many unreproducible bugs
[17:02] <asac> (this is a *serious* issue ... most bugs are just not reproducible and without that you cannot forward)
[17:04] <asac> 4. hard upstream bug process
[17:05] <asac> jcastro: and maybe as a higher reason: too high noise for anyone
[17:07] <asac> jcastro: we might be able to streamline the community better
[17:08] <asac> but then someone has to take the lead on it ... e.g. constrantly blog how to triage firefox bugs et al ... and so on
[17:08] <jcastro> yeah
[17:14] <asac> jcastro: i just picked a random bug: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/200344
[17:15] <jcastro> I see
[17:17] <asac> jcastro: though this is certainly one of the bugs with the higher likelyhood to get to something when properly triaged
[17:18] <asac> jcastro: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-mozillateam-bugs/2008-September/thread.html
[17:19] <asac> ok that month had the eula bug ;)
[17:19] <asac> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-mozillateam-bugs/2008-August/thread.html
[17:20] <asac> so 2.5k - 3k mails a month
[17:21] <asac> _all_ on mostly the same package ... not like gnome or other componentized software projects where each package buglist can mostly be seen on 1-3 bug pages
[17:21] <jcastro> nod
[17:22] <asac> so: launchpad + high bug load + high bar to effectively triage bugs ... are the factors that make firefox-3.0 a bug mess ;)
[17:22] <asac> ok ;)
[17:22] <asac> hope thats enough
[17:23] <asac> wow in may we had 4500 bugmail ;)
[17:23] <asac> 4774
[17:24] <asac> i guess thats the month that killed all our efforts to keep on top firefox-3.0
[17:24] <jcastro> or, so in normal english, basically, you're drowning in bugs and the last thing you need is someone telling you to make the process longer. :)
[17:25] <asac> jcastro: yeah. ... at least when we dont want to cause pain on mozilla side
[17:26]  * jcastro nods
[17:26] <asac> jcastro: i could easily say for each incoming bug: please test with upstream build
[17:26] <asac> jcastro: and then tell him to forward upstream on his own ;)
[17:26] <asac> jcastro: or tell the community triagers to do that
[17:26] <asac> jcastro: but in the end they most likely will start posting the initial bug reporters description upstream
[17:27] <asac> and not following up in upstream tracker
[17:27] <jcastro> ok
[17:27] <asac> that doesnt make sense
[17:28] <asac> jcastro: actually i am not that concerned about not many bugs getting forwarded. i am concerned about the bug flood making it hard to spot the important bugs and gems and forward them
[17:53] <fta2> asac, so, what about bug 274187 now?
[17:53] <sebner> fta2: you know I like bleeding edge but what sense does it make to have 3.1 alpha in intrepid?
[17:55] <jcastro> asac: so do you think the firefox "project" should be like split up into other components? Or will that make it worse?
[18:00] <fta2> sebner, just read the first 2 comments on the bug
[18:01] <sebner> fta2: ok but it's still an alpha
[18:01] <fta2> sebner, beta 1 is expected soon
[18:01] <sebner> fta: ah, I see. so thumps up :D
[18:01] <fta2> and the package is ready and usable as it is
[18:02] <fta2> i'm working on the kde version too but that's not what i want to push now
[18:03] <sebner> fta2: I know that it is usable. I'm using your ppa version :P
[18:04] <fta2> i know, a lot of people are using my ppa apparently. would be nice to have some real stats from lp
[18:06]  * sebner is wondering if we have something like debian popcon in general for ubuntu
[18:07] <fta2> in a way, it's also a problem... i can't experiment as much as i want to and push everything i do/touch
[18:07] <sebner> fta2: sure but it's alpha software and a private PPA. f*ck them who complain when something is b0rken
[18:07] <fta2> i guess popcon doesn't make the difference between ppa and repo
[18:08] <fta2> i often see my ppa in blogs, in the forum, even in bugs
[18:09] <sebner> fta2: the software is cool and your packaging skills great. your fault :P
[18:10] <fta2> yahh
[18:10] <fta2> ok, going for a beer, friends waiting
[18:10] <fta2> cu
[18:35] <asac> jcastro: the project wont help ... we need that split on the package
[18:35] <asac> jcastro: let me think
[18:35] <asac> jcastro: i think we could do all triage in multiple upstream products
[18:35] <asac> but i doubt that that is feasible as we have to also maintain the package task status
[18:36] <asac> and projects in launchpad are quite heavy weight ... e.g. i cannot search for bugs in selected multiple projects
[18:38] <asac> jcastro: so yes, i like the idea, but no, i dont think that that helps ... the split helps but we get other burdens that will annihilate the win of the split
[22:19] <fta> cdbs is not very friendly when you want more than 1 build :(
[22:49] <fta> asac, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=933429
[22:54] <asac> fta: at lesat not a problem due to this security update round
[22:56] <fta> hm
[22:57] <fta> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/61642beb4c16fc1e5140ae96bceb5743ae0bab08   ???
[23:05] <asac> fta: not sure what that means
[23:10] <[reed]> fta: it was a screw-up
[23:11] <fta> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=412610#c20
[23:12] <fta> [reed], what is that UPDATE_PACKAGING_R5 tag for?
[23:13] <fta> or which project?
[23:13] <[reed]> build automation
[23:16] <fta> ok


[00:32] <jcastro> asac: any idea on how this mozilla messaging thing works out as far as relations with upstream?
[00:32] <jcastro> I mean, should I consider them a new, seperate entity or what?
[00:35] <asac> jcastro: sorry ... what messaging thing?
[00:36] <asac> i guess i miss a bit of context here ;)
[00:36] <jcastro> asac: they spun off tbird today as their own thing.
[00:37] <jcastro> asac: heh, it's ok, it's my job to keep you appraised. :)
[00:37] <asac> oh ... that was expected
[00:37] <jcastro> asac: you're coming to fosdem right?
[00:38] <asac> not sure. will they be there?
[00:41] <asac> jcastro: i am not sure how this will technically evolve
[00:41] <asac> i assume that they will still use the same CVS tree
[00:41] <asac> and share the other infrastructure
[00:42] <jcastro> k
[00:42] <asac> a good question would be to figure if there will be a separate security group
[00:42] <jcastro> asac: I will ask blizz man, I think he'll be at fosdem
[00:42] <jcastro> surely some mozilla eu people will be there
[00:47] <Ubulette> it's just tb officially maintained with new goals and fundings
[00:47] <asac> yes, still i wonder who the devs will be
[00:48] <Ubulette> maybe they'll rename tb but if i understood it correctly, they'll start from tb3 (tb trunk)
[00:48] <Ubulette> they want to integrate the calendar to match outlook
[00:49] <asac> i still think that this will not chaneg much, except that the staff is really dedicated to work on tbird - which is good
[00:49] <asac> in terms of how workflows and how they interact with the firefox devs
[00:49] <Ubulette> yep, that's what i meant with "it's just tb officially maintained"
[00:50] <Ubulette> i haven't seen in their todo list to xulify tb
[00:51] <Ubulette> and no plan to fork either so they'll probably continue to share the trunk as of today
[02:06] <[reed]> same CVS tree but they'll start having different infra
[08:14] <asac> ok .... meetings at 0700 UTC are definitly a pain ;)
[08:28] <[reed]> :)
[08:42]  * asac reboot ... kernel update
[14:20] <asac> [reed]: any idea if bug 193108 is known?
[14:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 193108 in firefox-3.0 "Word spacing issue in Firefox 3" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193108
[21:00] <Ubulette> hi
[21:00] <Ubulette> it's quiet in here those days
[21:00] <Ubulette> despite the flood of ff3 bugs
[22:14] <Ubulette> so 8.10 will be called Intrepid Ibex.. hmm. intrepid will be too long to type. maybe ibex then.. or ii
[22:15] <Ubulette> ii sounds good in japanese :)
[22:30] <Ubulette> cairo 1.5.10 released
[22:31] <Ubulette> mozilla bug 418353
[22:31] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 418353 in GFX: Thebes "Upgrade cairo to 1.5.8-87-g21049a9" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=418353


[03:16] <bazhang> * [Yuuka] (~Yuuka@c-68-51-181-192.hsd1.ga.comcast.net): brett
[03:21] <bazhang> got him/her in PM
 I've been on IRC longer than you.
[03:27] <bazhang> no response to wanting to discuss removal of +q
[03:28] <IdleOne> probably not a good idea anyway