[00:01] <TopAgent> I have dnlded unzip and it is not in the same place as the zip file... I click on the zip file and it asks what program to open with... unzip is not in the list
[00:01] <Narissa> TopAgent: when you open konsole you will be in yoru home directory, you will then use cd (directory name) of rcd .. to navigate between folders
[00:02] <Narissa> TopAgent: it's a terminal program
[00:02] <Narissa> TopAgent: rcd = cd sorry for the mistype
[00:02] <TopAgent> i understand that but when i am in the term     cd to the zip file or to the unzip file
[00:03] <Narissa> TopAgent: the file you want to unzip
[00:03] <Narissa> TopAgent: then you will type unzip (file name)
[00:04] <TopAgent> and I thought ubuntu was fully automatic
[00:04] <TopAgent> thx
[00:04] <TopAgent> brb
[00:04] <Narissa> TopAgent: ark I believe supports it as well, which has a gui
[00:05] <Narissa> TopAgent: I apologize I am more of a konsole user than a gui user when it comes to extracting files
[00:06] <xoqa> konqueror goes full screen in then presents a very small screen which looks like there should be some video there
[00:06] <xoqa> trying to get flash player to work
[00:07] <xoqa> it's always been straightforward, don't understand what the problem is
[00:07] <Narissa> xoqa: what version distro are you running?
[00:08] <xoqa> not sure
[00:08] <Narissa> gutsy, feisty, dapper?
[00:08] <xoqa> gutsy i think
[00:09] <xoqa> how do you find out for sure?
[00:10] <xoqa> gutsy gibbon
[00:10] <Narissa> xoqa: in konsole uname -a
[00:10] <Narissa> alright searching
[00:11] <xoqa> uname -a: Linux 2.6.22-14-generic #1 SMP Sun Oct 14 23:05:12 GMT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[00:12] <Narissa> xoqa: yeah gutsy
[00:12] <xoqa> oh
[00:12] <Narissa> xoqa: one sec checking out some info for ya
[00:12] <kub^> Narissa: got the moose working now thanks for the linky :)
[00:12] <xoqa> Narissa:  thanks :)
[00:12] <Narissa> kub: no worries happy scrolling 8)
[00:15] <Narissa> xoqa: do you have konqueror-nsplugins installed.  you can check this by searching in synaptic
[00:15] <xoqa> don't think so
[00:16] <xoqa> yes i do
[00:16] <xoqa> Narissa ^
[00:16] <Narissa> xoqa: install it and see if that fix's it.  that is what a lot of pages are saying
[00:16] <Narissa> xoqa: hrmmm
[00:18] <newguys1> Hi, my computer keeps disconnecting from the internet, plus its not playing actors voice in many movies
[00:19] <newguys1> the funny part is that when I play the movie I hear everything except the actors voice
[00:19] <Narissa> xoqa: sorry abtout hat lost net connection
[00:19] <xoqa> no prob
[00:19] <xoqa> Narissa ^
[00:21] <Narissa> xoqa: do you have vlc installed?
[00:21] <xoqa> no
[00:22] <TopAgent> ok now that everything looks to be inflated and created and extracted,,,,,,where can I find the program?
[00:22] <xoqa> *grabs vlc*
[00:22] <Narissa> xoqa: yeah see if vlc works for ya
[00:23] <Narissa> TopAgent: I checked to make sure, you CAN use ark which is a basic part of the install now to extract teh file.
[00:23] <Narissa> TopAgent: just right click teh file you want to extract from, and open with ark
[00:23] <Narissa> TopAgent: should work from there
[00:24] <TopAgent> well I extracted it and am looking for the program but cant find anything
[00:24] <TopAgent> with unzip
[00:24] <Narissa> TopAgent: should be in the same directory, or if teh zip file had a directory structure it will be there
[00:25] <xoqa> Narissa: where would the vlc plugins folder be located?
[00:25] <Narissa> xoqa: just use synaptic to get them
[00:25] <Narissa> xoqa: search vlc and you'll see a nice happy list all starting with vlc
[00:26] <xoqa> i've already installed it
[00:26] <Narissa> xoqa: I was refering to the plugins which can be installed after vlc
[00:28] <TopAgent> the name of this file is realestate-management-tool-code.zip and it extracted like 100 files and I cant begin to know where to go to execute the program
[00:28] <Narissa> xoqa: the mozilla-plugin-vlc one I would advise as well for ya, since konqueror is gecko as well if memory serves
[00:29] <xoqa> konqueror has switched to gecko?
[00:29] <Greenery> eh Konqueror is using khtml
[00:30] <TopAgent> there is a lot of .xml files
[00:30] <Narissa> TopAgent: that's teh program files right there, I don't know anything about the program you are trying to run however, but it did extract
[00:31] <Narissa> xoqa: sorry I stand corrected, been a long day and I have lots of work to do 8) LOL.  try doing youtube now
[00:31] <TopAgent> yes it did extract but how to use it or activate it..  are .xml files linux or windows based file ext?
[00:32] <fsckr> in a default install is there a place to enable compiz-fusion in kubuntu?
[00:32] <mox69> is there any easy method for updating my kubuntu dapper install to the latest version of kubuntu?
[00:32] <Narissa> TopAgent: xml is fairly universal
[00:32] <xoqa> Narissa: it isn't working. i'm waiting on konqueror to scan all of /usr/share and /usr/lib right now for new plugins
[00:32] <blackwaltz_> mox69: probably easier to do a clean install ... but the recommended method is to first upgrade to edgy, then to
[00:33] <blackwaltz_> feisty, then to gutsy
[00:33] <Narissa> xoqa: it should find something, or at least the presence of the program
[00:33] <mox69> hmm i figured clean install was the best way
[00:34] <TopAgent> this is supposed to be a realestate client tracking and sales program similar to the windows based programs
[00:34] <TopAgent> I dont see it of any use as it is... Dont know if I did something wrong or what
[00:34] <Narissa> TopAgent: again I am unfamiliar what's the name of teh program?
[00:34] <TopAgent>  realestate-management-tool-code.zip
[00:35] <mox69> how about this, which of the latest version supports laptops (wpa, usb2, bluetooth, battery usage, etc) better kubuntu or regular ubuntu?
[00:35] <blackwaltz_> mox69: should be the same
[00:35] <Narissa> TopAgent: is there a file somewhere in there called INSTALL ?
[00:36] <TopAgent> http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Information-Management/Real-Estate-Management-Software-2900.shtml
[00:36] <TopAgent> ill check
[00:36] <mox69> ok good, i prefer kde anyway. I was just really impressed with the gutsy ubuntu install I did on my desktop the other day
[00:36] <Narissa> mox69: I agree with blackwaltz, the difference in ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu etc. is mostly the initial desktop gnome, kde, etc..
[00:37] <mox69> alright thats kinda what i figured
[00:37] <blackwaltz_> mox69: the only minus I can see is knetworkmanager doesn't impress me much ....
[00:37] <TopAgent> no
[00:37] <TopAgent> none there
[00:37] <xoqa> *sigh* nothing
[00:38] <takpe> com esteu?
[00:38] <mox69> yea that was my main problem with dapper kubuntu, i spent about 10 hours getting WPA working on my wifi
[00:38] <mox69> i use knetmanager now, it works alright I guess
[00:40] <blackwaltz_> mox69: shouldn't be a problem ... the only beefs I've got with it are that sometimes it doesn't behave if you have it in manual mode ... it often seems to mis things if I were to ifdown the connection or flip the wireless switch it doesn't always notice, and the other, nastiest thing is that it still doesn't have a solid way other that modfiying the /etc/network/interfaces file by hand to switch back to roaming mode
[00:40] <TopAgent> I understand know,,,,  THis is software to be run from a SERVER   there is a readme file that came with the extraction...  I guess Ill have to give it up as I dont have a server and I wouldn't know how to set one up....  BUT THANK YOU for trying so hard to help me...
[00:40] <Narissa> TopAgent: no worries and for future record now ark can just unzip things for you 8)
[00:41] <TopAgent> gotta download it
[00:41] <mox69> yes ive ran into issues a few times when I needed a static ip addres, but I have learned to deal with the issues that have come up
[00:41] <Narissa> hey black xoqa is trying to get youtube to work right in konq and I've walked him through vlc, you got any ideas
[00:41] <Narissa> TopAgent: should be there already, if not it's not a bad thing to have gui wise
[00:41] <mox69> I have found mplayer works the best for embedded stuff...for me anyway
[00:42] <Narissa> think you guys can help with this one?
[00:42] <mox69> xoqa: have you tried mplayer yet?
[00:42] <xoqa> not yet
[00:42] <mox69> ok give me a sec i will get the names of what i have installed
[00:43] <joseph> so, yeah.  suddenly, when i hold down the down arrow to scroll through a web document, it doesn't scroll; it just moves one line, every time i press the button.  am i missing something?
[00:43] <mox69> xoqa: download and install "kmplayer-base" and "kmplayer-konq-plugins"
[00:45] <blackwaltz_> youtube in konqeror eh Narissa? Probably need to "sudo apt-get install flashplayer-nonfree"
[00:45] <mox69> ahh yes just gonna say that
[00:45] <mox69> you need flashplayer mainly
[00:46] <xoqa> mox69: kmplayer-base is already install. kmplayer-konq-plugins wasn't found. blackwaltz_: i've already installed that
[00:46] <mox69> hmm
[00:46] <Narissa> 8)
[00:46] <blackwaltz_> kmplayer is of course great for everything else (particulary when using the xine engine, in my experience .... seems to play things smooother)
[00:46] <Narissa> mox69: he's runnign gutsy
[00:46] <mox69> go here http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/welcome/
[00:46] <mox69> does it ask you to install a plugin, or does flash work?
[00:46] <blackwaltz_> xoqa: go to konqueror -> settings -> configure konqueror -> plugins and see if it's listed
[00:47] <Narissa> xoqa: left you with more help than you can shake a stick at, I gotta log for a bit.   BIOS bugs can be nothing short of nightmares.
[00:51] <xoqa> that shows the plugins identified
[00:52] <xoqa> http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/9788/a2fu7.png - the next two show what i'm seeing
[00:52] <mox69> xoqa: what exactly happens .. ok
[00:52] <xoqa> http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/716/a3ju9.png
[00:52] <mox69> well it looks like flash is loading or that screen wouldn't show up
[00:52] <chopin> how do i tell kubuntu not to look at cdrom0 for sources when apt-getting?
[00:52] <xoqa> when i go to a video on you tube... the browser goes to full screen then back to normal
[00:52] <xoqa> then it doesn't display anything until i wiggle the mouse around the deformed volume button
[00:53] <xoqa> then what is in the picture displays
[00:53] <xoqa> the stuff in the middle is flashing
[00:53] <mox69> ok next question
[00:53] <mox69> right click on the youtube player
[00:53] <mox69> click "about flash"
[00:53] <xoqa> it took me about 20 attempts to capture the white box forming, and even then i only got half of the white box
[00:53] <blackwaltz_> xoqa .... weird, very weird
[00:53] <mox69> tell us ethe version
[00:53] <xoqa> the white box is in the second youtube pic
[00:54] <xoqa> konqueror 3.5.8
[00:54] <xoqa> just installed the system today
[00:54] <vasilisa> Can anyone tell me why k3b won't rip dvds for me?
[00:54] <xoqa> kubuntu gutsy gibbon
[00:54] <vsingh165> im trying to get kubuntu working properly on my hp zv6000
[00:54] <greythane> chopin:  adept > manage repositories > third party . uncheck cd
[00:54] <vasilisa> It did before i reinstalled the OS....
[00:54] <mox69> xoqa: no the flash version installed
[00:54] <xoqa> oh
[00:54] <xoqa> not sure how to tell
[00:54] <mox69> xoqa: if you right click on the messed up youtube window
[00:54] <vsingh165> when i boot up, after the grub menu, all i see is a blank screen
[00:54] <mox69> you should get a menu
[00:55] <vsingh165> nothing happens after that
[00:55] <chopin> greythane: awesome, i was just about to click that one but wasn't sure :-)
[00:55] <chopin> thanks
[00:55] <vsingh165> and this is after installing fglrx
[00:55] <mox69> xoqa: then an "about flash player" option should show up after you right click
[00:55] <xoqa> mox69: when i right click on the messed up flash box, nothing happens
[00:55] <mox69> hmm
[00:55] <Scotty> What would be the cause of me not being able to resize my primary partition in Kubuntu? The option just isn't there. It's either use entire disk, use largest available, or manually edit. When I manually edit I can't resize it there either.
[00:56] <mox69> xoqa: goto this website : http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/viewContent.do?externalId=tn_15507
[00:56] <blackwaltz_> The flash version shouldn't be an issue, it should be the same as the one in the repository, which seems to be working fine for me.
[00:56] <mox69> hmm
[00:56] <mox69> but when he right clicks...the flash menu should show up ..
[00:57] <blackwaltz_> mox69: it would if it were working ...
[00:58] <mox69> ...hmm true
[00:58] <xoqa> mox69: not sure if that website was telling me what version i have... so here's a screenshot of what i saw:
[00:58] <xoqa> http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/5103/versionrv6.png
[00:58] <nerv203> Hey. I'm having trouble installing the Java Runtime Environment for Firefox on my Kubuntu machine.
[00:59] <nerv203> I can't find the plugin in the package handler, and the self extractor I downloaded doesn't seem to do anything.
[00:59] <xoqa> what's odd is that the flash on imageshack.us is working
[01:00] <xoqa> think that's flash
[01:00] <blackwaltz_> nerv203: one question first, what's your uname -m output
[01:00] <Scotty> What would be the cause of me not being able to resize my primary partition in Kubuntu? The option just isn't there. It's either use entire disk, use largest available, or manually edit. When I manually edit I can't resize it there either.
[01:00] <xoqa> nothing shows up when i rightclick the ad and nothing happens when i left click it
[01:00] <nerv203> Oh, actually, I think I've just figured something out.
[01:02] <blackwaltz_> Do tell
[01:04] <vsingh165> ok why does kubuntu take like 2 minutes to boot
[01:04] <vsingh165> and on top of that i dont get a bootscreen like i did with ubuntu
[01:04] <vsingh165> its just blank
[01:05] <nerv203> Well, i actually found a tutorial on how to install from a self extractor, and found out Iw as doing something wrong ^^
[01:06] <BluesKaj> nerv203, usually it's best to extract to a new folder
[01:06] <nerv203> Missing a step entirely in fact.
[01:07] <vsingh165> is the long boot time normal for Kubuntu?
[01:07] <greythane> vsingh165: known config prob with gutsy. incorrect screen resolution set.
[01:07] <vsingh165> greythane: any fixes for that
[01:07] <greythane> search ubuntu forms for 'long boot time'
[01:07] <vsingh165> k
[01:07] <nerv203> My Kubuntu takes a loooong time to boot, largely because my computer is extremely low spec
[01:08] <nerv203> It's old, and it was low spec when it was new.
[01:08] <vsingh165> mine isn't exactly low spec
[01:08] <vsingh165> its a laptop
[01:08] <vsingh165> with a 2ghz athlon 64
[01:08] <vsingh165> 1gb ddr400
[01:08] <vsingh165> 80gb hard drive
[01:08] <Radi01> That should scream.
[01:09] <vsingh165> and a 128MB ati card
[01:09] <vsingh165> i know but it takes forever to boot!
[01:09] <vsingh165> otherwise its not slow
[01:09] <vsingh165> but boot time is a killer
[01:09] <Radi01> Mifgr be a bios issue.
[01:09] <Radi01> might
[01:09] <vsingh165> yeah this is an hp...
[01:09] <vsingh165> lol
[01:09] <Grav3Mind> hey guys if i enable compiz on my kubuntu install and i have the ubuntu desktop do i need to enable it there?
[01:09] <Grav3Mind> or no
[01:09] <zerby_> ive a question for a friend of mine first time kubuntu user gg: is there an issue with restricted driver after fresh install and update?
[01:10] <zerby_> (ati)
[01:10] <zerby_> i need advice
[01:10] <zerby_> ive a question for a friend of mine first time kubuntu user gg: is there an issue with restricted driver after fresh install and update?
[01:10] <zerby_> (ati)
[01:10] <BluesKaj> zerby_, what's the issue?
[01:10] <greythane> vsingh165: sounds like my laptop. correcting the screen res in /etc/uspalsh.conf fixed it
[01:11] <zerby_> BluesKaj : errors
[01:11] <vsingh165> greythane: ok so i just set it to my lcd panel's default res of 1280x800?
[01:11] <BluesKaj> zerby, more specific pls
[01:11] <zerby_> BluesKaj : There was an error commiting changes. Possible there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages
[01:11] <zerby_> btw with every update
[01:12] <vsingh165> greythane: how does your /etc/usplash.conf look?
[01:12] <Radi01> Does it stop @ 50%
[01:13] <greythane> vsingh165: 800 or 768?  mine is 1280x768 :)  xres=1280; yres=768
[01:13] <Radi01> zerby
[01:13] <zerby_> Radi01
[01:13] <vsingh165> ok so u set it to ur lcd panel's default res
[01:13] <vsingh165> lets see if this works brb
[01:13] <zerby_> apt-get -f install ??
[01:13] <Radi01> does it stop at 50% all of the time.
[01:13] <BluesKaj> zerby, what ati card ?
[01:14] <zerby_> Radi01 just error with updaten
[01:14] <Radi01> oh ok
[01:14] <zerby_> i am no ubuntu -user so i dont know
[01:14] <Radi01> On any package?
[01:14] <zerby_> i am asking now BluesKaj
[01:14] <zerby_> seems to be the case Radi01
[01:15] <nerv203> What's the terminal command to create a new folder?
[01:15] <Radi01> is it a fresh install?
[01:15] <zerby_> yes Radi01
[01:15] <Radi01> dpkg --configure -a
[01:15] <zerby_> mmmm could be yes Radi01
[01:15] <Alonea> how do you rm a dir that is is not empty?
[01:15] <vasilisa> Can somebody please explain? In K3b when i try to rip a dvd, it doesn't list tracks anymore. It lists an AUDIO_TS and VIDEO_TS directory. Why arent there tracks like there were before i reinstalled kubuntu?
[01:16] <zerby_> Alonea  rm -r
[01:16] <Alonea> zerby_: ty
[01:16] <Radi01> put that in termonal and answer (Y) and letter rip\
[01:16] <Radi01> dpkg --configure -a
[01:17] <zerby_> Alonea if that gets too slow and you are sure: rm -rf (f=force)
[01:17] <Alonea> zerby_: was just going to ask that. tons of files in there
[01:17] <zerby_> :) Alonea
[01:17] <zerby_> but it s beyond repair
[01:17] <Alonea> zerby_: er, how do I get it to cancel? or is that not possible
[01:18] <zerby_> ctrl + c
[01:18] <zerby_> but you dont undo then Alonea
[01:18] <zerby_> you just interrupt
[01:18] <vsingh165> greythane: didn't solve the problem.
[01:18] <Alonea> zerby_: that fine. I messed up the files and needed to redo what I was doing.
[01:18] <vsingh165> took the same amount of time to boot
[01:19] <zerby_> BluesKaj : ati radeon... 9600
[01:19] <vasilisa> Can somebody please explain? In K3b when i try to rip a dvd, it doesn't list tracks anymore. It lists an AUDIO_TS and VIDEO_TS directory. Why arent there tracks like there were before i reinstalled kubuntu? There's an error too, but it flashes too quicly on the screen for me to read it.
[01:20] <Alonea> vasilisa: hmm...well, audiots and video ts is what I am used to when I rip a dvd. the audio folder is generally empty and the video has all of you vob, ifo, etc.
[01:21] <Alonea> vasilisa: are you trying to copy a dvd or make the dvd into another format?
[01:21] <vasilisa> Alonea: Usually i get a list of tracks with their run times, and i pick one. I did it all the time
[01:21] <vasilisa> im trying to rip it to my computer as an mpeg....
[01:21] <greythane> vsingh165: you will probably need to enter in konsole/terminal :   sudo dpkg-reconfigure usplash
[01:21] <vsingh165> i'll try this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3676658&postcount=115
[01:21] <vsingh165> greythane: k
[01:22] <vsingh165> greythane: anything else?
[01:22] <BluesKaj> zerby, the old driver has to be uninstalled , then sudo depkg-reconfigure server-xorg in the terminal , when you get to graphics driver list choose ati , then go to the system settings/advanced/restricted driver/admin mode /enable
[01:22] <zerby_> k tx BluesKaj
[01:22] <BluesKaj>  dpkg
[01:22] <BluesKaj> not depkg
[01:22] <funcrush> Can I connect remote host with kubuntu desktop?
[01:23] <Alonea> vasilisa: hmm. probably settings somewhere. those folders are a direct rip of the dvd.   The HGNS is then saved for generations to come and is the most valuable commodity in the Federation of Gay Planets.
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[01:36] <sdlnxgk> anyone here??
[01:36] <mot_> what's the quickest way to setup samba in kubuntu?
[01:36] <mot_> is there a gui config?
[01:36] <sdlnxgk> sudo passwd doesn't work
[01:37] <ardchoille> sdlnxgk: What are you trying to do?
[01:37] <bascule> mot_: kdenetwork
[01:37] <mot_> mkay thanks
[01:38] <sdlnxgk> ardchoille, I was trying to add firestarter to visudo and now my sudo passwd doesn't work anymore
[01:38] <ardchoille> sdlnxgk: There's no need to add firestarter to visudo. Sounds like you may have messed up in visudo and removed yourself.
[01:38] <mot_> bascule, i installed the package, how do i start the samba config??
[01:39] <bascule> it should show in kcontrol
[01:39] <mot_> kcontrol?
[01:39] <pjeide> Your control panel
[01:39] <mot_> awesome
[01:40] <bascule> mot_: system settings, network section, sharing
[01:44] <mot_> once i have samba setup i can access it by //IP right?
[01:44] <mot_> IE is redirecting me to websearch and not taking me to the share.
[01:44] <bascule> mot_: smb://
[01:44] <mot_> then the ip?
[01:44] <bascule> ah from ie, well my network placs is where to look
[01:45] <mot_> damnit, nothing there
[01:45] <bascule> have you set a host name for samba
[01:45] <mot_> no
[01:46] <bascule> or whatever win network calls them ...
[01:56] <piper> hi there, whats the command to work on your static ip from the terminal?
[01:56] <piper> its like netconf or ipconf
[01:56] <piper> or something along those lines
[01:57] <bascule> piper: ifconfig
[02:01] <Jay-Oh-En> is there a ati tool to configure fglrx driver?
[02:01] <vbgunz> I really hate how sometimes flash just skips to death :(
[02:03] <aziegler> i need help, need the command for setting the display parameters
[02:03] <aziegler> does anyone know it?
[02:04] <ardchoille> aziegler: xorg?
[02:04] <ardchoille> aziegler: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  ?
[02:04] <aziegler> how does i switch between 600*800 and 1024*768 px
[02:06] <Jay-Oh-En> how come my sound sucks?
[02:06] <Jay-Oh-En> it doesnt sound horrible but it doesnt play loud
[02:07] <Jay-Oh-En> i almost have to turn my speakers up all the way to hear just a little sound
[02:07] <Jay-Oh-En> for quiet music
[02:07] <xoqa> hmm.. guess i'll come back later. my head is hurting from trying so many possible solutions :P
[02:08] <xoqa> thanks for everyone's help
[02:10] <Minataku> Jay-Oh-En: Check that the sound card's volume is set high
[02:11] <Minataku> The volume on the speakers is dependant on the strength of the signal coming from the card
[02:11] <Minataku> 100% of 25% is 25%
[02:11] <Jay-Oh-En> Minataku: how do i do that?
[02:12] <Minataku> I believe kmix can do that
[02:12] <Minataku> I use a different program for it, myself, but kmix comes with KDE
[02:12] <Jay-Oh-En> whats pcm
[02:12] <Minataku> Pulse Code Modulation
[02:12] <Jay-Oh-En> should that be set to high
[02:12] <Minataku> Likely two channels will be of interest
[02:12] <Minataku> Main and PCM
[02:13] <Minataku> Set one of these to 100%, and configure other applications to manipulate only one of these
[02:13] <sdlnxgk> ardchoille, how can I add myself back to visudo ??
[02:13] <Jay-Oh-En> Minataku: ok i got it
[02:14] <Minataku> Jay-Oh-En: Cool. :D
[02:14] <Jay-Oh-En> =D thanks
[02:14] <Minataku> np
[02:16] <piper> !ifconfig
[02:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ifconfig - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:16] <piper> !info ifconfig
[02:16] <ubotu> Package ifconfig does not exist in gutsy
[02:16] <piper> how do you edit your static ip from console
[02:16] <RaT-TuB> hi everyone
[02:16] <RaT-TuB> hopefully someone here will be able to help me
[02:17] <RaT-TuB> I just downloaded kubuntu 7.10 64bit ...the cd booted fine when I restarted, but when I chose "start or install", the screen just went blank
[02:18] <RaT-TuB> my monitor actually turn itself off..
[02:18] <RaT-TuB> without any message or anything..
[02:18] <RaT-TuB> any suggestions?
[02:18] <piper> RaT-TuB: you could install from text mode
[02:18] <Jay-Oh-En> piper: i know how
[02:18] <Jay-Oh-En> piper: ill get you the code
[02:19] <gib> Does kexi 2.0 (from KOffice2) work for anyone?  It crashes at start for me.
[02:19] <piper> RaT-TuB: or use the little monitor help thing at the bottom
[02:19] <piper> for resolution/ other config aspects
[02:19] <piper> Jay-Oh-En: thanks
[02:19] <RaT-TuB> piper, yeah the resolution thing didn't help either..
[02:20] <RaT-TuB> I also tried "vga = 771" ...something it mentionned in the installer help
[02:20] <Jay-Oh-En> piper: sudo kate /etc/resolv.conf is for the dns servers
[02:21] <Jay-Oh-En> piper: this is for the ip addresses sudo kate /etc/network/interfaces
[02:21] <Jay-Oh-En> piper: sudo kate /etc/network/interfaces restart      is to restart your server
[02:23] <gib> Is anyone testing any of the kde4 apps?  The of the office suite runs for me, but no luck with kexi.
[02:23] <piper> Jay-Oh-En: thanks
[02:23] <Jay-Oh-En> piper: your welcome =]
[02:27] <Minataku> Yeah, the monitor "turning off" (it's actually transitioning to a protection state) is indicative of the computer sending it a signal it can't use
[02:27] <Minataku> Though he's gone now :P
[02:27] <Minataku> Missed before he left
[02:28] <Jay-Oh-En> Minataku: can you help me with my fglrx driver
[02:28] <Minataku> I don't use fglrx, so no, sorry
[02:28] <Jay-Oh-En> ok
[02:28] <Jay-Oh-En> :[
[02:29] <Jay-Oh-En> i just wanted to set the agp speed
[02:29] <Jay-Oh-En> to X8
[02:29] <Jay-Oh-En> and other stuff
[02:29] <Minataku> Hm
[02:29] <Minataku> !fglrx
[02:29] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:29] <Minataku> <.<
[02:29] <Minataku> That MIGHT help
[02:29] <Minataku> If not, complain to the management
[02:30] <Tarin> does anyone know how to get xgl for gutsy?
[02:31] <Jay-Oh-En> Tarin: sudo apt-get install xserver-xgl
[02:32] <Tarin> ahhhhhhh cool thanks
[02:32] <Jay-Oh-En> :]
[02:32] <Jay-Oh-En> Tarin: are you trying to install compiz?
[02:32] <greythane> jay-Oh-En: try glxinfo from a konsole/terminal window
[02:33] <Jay-Oh-En> pastbin it? greythane?
[02:33] <Tarin> yes i am trying to
[02:34] <Jay-Oh-En> Tarin: you should look at this
[02:34] <Jay-Oh-En> !compiz
[02:34] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[02:34] <Tarin> i have emerald and i thinnk compiz but when i try to choose a theme it doesnt do anything
[02:35] <greythane> jay-Oh-En: pastbin??  type it in...?
[02:35] <Jay-Oh-En> greythane: should i pastebin my output?
[02:36] <greythane> no.. thought you wanted to find info.. :)
[02:36] <Jay-Oh-En> oh
[02:36] <Jay-Oh-En> no i didnt
[02:36] <greythane> srry
[02:37] <Tarin> has anyone ever seen this E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[02:38] <NickPresta> Tarin, that happens. Try a "sudo apt-get -f install"
[02:39] <sdlnxgk> how can I add myself back to visudo to get sudo passwd back ..
[02:44] <ardchoille> sdlnxgk: What exactly do you need "sudo passwd" for?
[02:44] <sdlnxgk> ardchoille, hmmm to run firestarter
[02:44] <sdlnxgk> admin stuff
[02:45] <sdlnxgk> need sudo passwd for lots of things
[02:45] <ardchoille> sdlnxgk: You don't need "sudo passwd" to run firestarter. You use kdesu firestarter
[02:45] <sdlnxgk> can't even do that
[02:45] <ardchoille> sdlnxgk: If it's to enable the root ccount, then I would recommend you don't do that. Use sudo, it's best, there is no need to ever enable the root account
[02:45] <sdlnxgk> I don't have a passwd anymore
[02:46] <sdlnxgk> ardchoille, what I was trying to do was have firestarter run when kde starts up
[02:47] <ardchoille> sdlnxgk: firestarter scripts run when the system boots. The firestarter ui doesn't need to be running at all for your firewall to be up and running.
[02:47] <sdlnxgk> ahhhh ok
[02:47] <ardchoille> sdlnxgk: I have never seen a need for sudo passwd
[02:47] <sdlnxgk> ardchoille, so how can I fix this and get to edit the visudo back the way it was
[02:47] <Jay-Oh-En> what will this do for me sudo apt-get install fglrx-control
[02:48] <sdlnxgk> ardchoille, maybe i'm calling it the wrong thing
[02:48] <ardchoille> sdlnxgk: Can u you use sudo right now?
[02:48] <sdlnxgk> ardchoille, when I need to do something in admin I type sudo -i or sudo nano then type a passwd
[02:48] <sdlnxgk> no sudo is broke
[02:48] <sdlnxgk> that is why i'm freaking out
[02:49] <sdlnxgk> I can change my passwd  that is about it
[02:49] <ardchoille> sdlnxgk: You have broken sudo.. but I would recommend you never use "sudo passwd", since you don't seem to understand sudo.
[02:49] <Jay-Oh-En> garsh he screwed his box up
[02:50] <soldier> hey i need some quick help, im not sure which kubuntu version i have, i want to upgrade to 7.10
[02:50] <ardchoille> Jay-Oh-En: Yes, man who play in root eventually kill tree.
[02:50] <Minataku> How did you break sudo? O.o
[02:50] <sdlnxgk> ardchoille, why do you say I don't understand sudo?? it's only used for admin stuff so you don't have to use root correct
[02:50] <bascule> easy changed with recovery mode and add a root pass to /etc/shadow
[02:51] <ardchoille> sdlnxgk: Yes, but do you know what "sudo passwd" actually does?
[02:51] <sdlnxgk> Minataku, I added a line in visudo and removed myself  from access
[02:51] <greythane> you are using your own password for sudo I asume (ubuntu/kubuntu default mode) ? :)
[02:51] <Jay-Oh-En> sdlnxgk: you breaking sudo shows you dont UNDERSTAND sudo correct?
[02:51] <Minataku> Ah
[02:51] <jtt> soldier,  cat  /etc/lsb-release  to see release you are using
[02:51] <sdlnxgk> sudo passwd grants temp access for reg user to have root priv
[02:51] <ardchoille> soldier: lsb_release -a
[02:52] <ardchoille> sdlnxgk: wrong.
[02:52] <sdlnxgk> Jay-Oh-En,  that doesn't mean anything
[02:52] <Jay-Oh-En> whatever
[02:52] <Jay-Oh-En> im out bye guys
[02:52] <ardchoille> sdlnxgk: "sudo passwd" allows you to augment an accont.. for admin tasks, it's just "sudo"
[02:53] <ardchoille> More accurately, "sudo <command>"
[02:54] <ardchoille> "sudo passwd" runs the passwd command as root.. which can quickly b0rk things if you're not careful.
[02:54] <sdlnxgk> ardchoille, ok so how can I add myself back to visudo so I can use kdesu firestarter
[02:55] <soldier> sorry im so late
[02:55] <sdlnxgk> not really firestarter but anything kdesu kate
[02:55] <soldier> i have 5.10 breezy
[02:55] <sdlnxgk> kdesu whateverprogramIwant
[02:56] <ardchoille> sdlnxgk: What I would do is boot into the live cd, mount your / partition somewhere and manually edit /etc/sudoers
[02:56] <sdlnxgk> can't even use kdesu now
[02:56] <soldier> how do i upgrade though the terminal?
[02:56] <soldier> from 5.10 to 7.10?
[02:56] <ardchoille> sdlnxgk: Right, because of your misunderstanding sudo, you have broken your admin privs
[02:56] <jtt> soldier, cant help ther i never upgrade
[02:56] <soldier> k
[02:57] <stdin> soldier: easier to get a gutsy CD, else you'd have to go  breezy > dapper > edgy > feisty > gutsy
[02:57] <sdlnxgk> ardchoille,  I just followed what was on ubuntu.com about running firestarter on boot with no passwd and now it's borked
[02:57] <ardchoille> soldier: You can't go from 5.10 to 7.10. you have to go from 5.10 to 6.04, then from 6.04 to 6.10, and so on, one release at a time
[02:57] <sdlnxgk> sounded easy enough
[02:57] <sdlnxgk> ardchoille, thanks for your help I guess I need a sudo class or how to use admin in kubuntu period
[02:58] <ardchoille> sdlnxgk: firestarter is installed in such a way that the scripts autostart on boot, there's nothing for the user to change. You either misread or the info was wrong.
[02:58] <sdlnxgk> I read it right, so the info was wrong... or might have been for a older version
[02:58] <Jay-Oh-En> so he did that for no reason
[02:59] <sdlnxgk> Jay-Oh-En,  yes seems that way
[02:59] <sdlnxgk> all because firestarter was stopping and quiting the gui and I thought it was stopping the firewall
[02:59] <ardchoille> sdlnxgk: In the future, it's not a bad idea to make a backup of a system file before editing it. Can save you a lot of hassle later
[02:59] <sdlnxgk> lesson learned the hard way
[03:00] <sdlnxgk> I have a back up of the file
[03:00] <Jay-Oh-En> so what now he has to reinstall?
[03:00] <sdlnxgk> but don't have permission to replace the file :(
[03:00] <ardchoille> sdlnxgk: fwiw, firestarter isn't your firewall, iptables is your firewall. Firestarter is just a gui to assit in editing iptables rules. The firewall itself comes with Kubuntu.
[03:00] <sdlnxgk> Jay-Oh-En,  live cdrom and edit the file then reboot if all  goes well
[03:01] <naelr> sdinxgk: when you boot your computer does it automaticly log in?
[03:01] <sdlnxgk> yes I know firestarter is a gui to iptables
[03:01] <naelr> or do you type your username and password
[03:01] <ardchoille> sdlnxgk: No, but you have the ioriginal file? Then you can run the livecd and restore the file instead of trying to figure out what the syntax was to begin with.
[03:01] <sdlnxgk> naelr, yes it auto logs in or I wouldn't be able to be here right now
[03:02] <naelr> well sudo passwd all you did was change your users password
[03:02] <sdlnxgk> ardchoille, got ya ;)
[03:02] <naelr> exactly so lets say I typed sudo passwd
[03:02] <naelr> it then prompts me for my password
[03:02] <naelr> then it promsts again to what I wanna change it to
[03:02] <naelr> and again to confirm
[03:02] <sdlnxgk> naelr, actually changed one like on default at the end to ,rootpw and it borked it all to hell
[03:03] <naelr> so your password is what ever you typed twice
[03:03] <ardchoille> naelr: He seems to have b0rked sudoers
[03:03] <Jay-Oh-En> ardchoille: can you tell me why the command su doesnt work
[03:03] <naelr> ok so what happens when you do something stupid like (from a termainal) sudo konqueror
[03:03] <sdlnxgk> naelr, I can change my passwd but I don't have access to sudo
[03:03] <ardchoille> Jay-Oh-En: Because it's not needed
[03:03] <Jay-Oh-En> the password i put in doesnt work
[03:03] <Jay-Oh-En> ok
[03:03] <naelr> sudo is your passwrd
[03:03] <Minataku> su doesn't require the sudoers file, AFAIK
[03:04] <Minataku> This is why there should always be a root password
[03:04] <ardchoille> Jay-Oh-En: Use sudo for all admin tasks, su isn't needed at all
[03:04] <sdlnxgk> ok brb gonna live cd and change the file
[03:04] <naelr> I make a root passord
[03:04] <Minataku> So errors like this can easily be remedied
[03:04] <sdlnxgk> thanks for your help everyone  !!!
[03:04] <Minataku> And yes, ardchoille, there ARE some things that sudo is insufficient for
[03:04] <naelr> I agree
[03:04] <Jay-Oh-En> kdesu
[03:04] <Minataku> Changing the maximum user RTC frequency, for example
[03:04] <naelr> does he get an error when he uses sudo I didn't see any thing like that looking back
[03:04] <Minataku> This operation MUST be performed by root
[03:05] <Minataku> There is no way to do it through sudo, you will get "Permission Denied"
[03:05] <stdin> Minataku: why? sudo is root. what doesn't work exactly?
[03:05] <stdin> let me know and I'll tell you the way it can work
[03:05] <Minataku> I don't know why, but it doesn't.
[03:05] <naelr> no sudo is run command as root
[03:05] <Minataku> Even with full sudo privliges
[03:05] <stdin> Minataku: what command do you run that fails?
[03:05] <Minataku> This action cannot be done through sudo
[03:05] <naelr> su do as root... super user do this command
[03:05] <Minataku> One sec
[03:05] <ardchoille> Minataku: Well, in 4 years, I have never had a problem with sudo.. never found it to be inefficient for anything. Besides, the sudo model is the recommended way of doing things and all other advice that circumvents that model should be taken to another channel. When in rome..
[03:06] <Minataku> I do use sudo myself
[03:06] <Minataku> But I also use root for extended periods of administration
[03:06] <Minataku> And aforementioned insufficiencies
[03:06] <naelr> reading back though I don't think he broke his sudo command... unless I missed something
[03:07] <ardchoille> naelr: He used visudo to edit sudoers and apparently broke his admin privs
[03:07] <naelr> ah...
[03:07] <Minataku> stdin: This command: 'echo 1024 > /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq'
[03:07] <stdin> Minataku: that's not being run as root ;)
[03:07] <stdin> the ">" is done in the shell
[03:07] <stdin> the shell you are running, not a root shell
[03:08] <naelr> I see I musta missed that line ardchoile sorry
[03:08] <ardchoille> sudo doesn't handle redirection like that anyway, you need to pipe it thru tee
[03:08] <stdin> Minataku: 'echo 1024 |sudo tee /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq' < done :)
[03:08] <ardchoille> Right
[03:08] <stdin> sudo can do *anything* su/root can
[03:08] <ardchoille> Exactly
[03:09] <ardchoille> The user just needs to know what they're doing ;)
[03:09] <stdin> you could also just do "sudo -i" then run the original command too
[03:09] <stdin> "sudo -i" starts a shell as root
[03:09] <stdin> it's almost never needed though
[03:10] <ardchoille> I've been using ubuntu since 2004 and never needed anything other than sudo
[03:11] <BluesKaj> su su sudio ...wonder if Phil Collins uses debian or kubuntu :)
[03:11] <ardchoille> hahaha
[03:11] <Radi01> lol
[03:11] <Radi01> gksudio
[03:11] <jtt> BluesKaj, touche!!!
[03:12] <Minataku> Hm
[03:12] <Minataku> stdin: Well damn.
[03:12] <flaccid> kdesudo is cool..
[03:12] <Minataku> Never would have figured that one out.
[03:13] <stdin> heh, it's a bit difficult to understand why commands like that fail unless you know how shell redirection's done
[03:14] <ardchoille> This is why it always pains me to see people enabling the root account.
[03:14]  * Minataku nods
[03:14] <ardchoille> stdin: Yeah
[03:14] <flaccid> sometimes you need root
[03:14] <Minataku> I just find, myself, the ability to log in as root as more convienent at times
[03:14] <Minataku> I prefer having an actual root shell once in a while or for when I'm doing certain things
[03:15] <flaccid> Minataku: do sudo -i
[03:15] <Minataku> Actually, I use Gentoo
[03:15] <stdin> Minataku: that's also the danger, it's so convenient you'll end up doing it when you don't _need_ to ;)
[03:15] <Minataku> So I set all my policies myself
[03:15]  * flaccid looks at the channel name
[03:15] <Minataku> stdin: I don't do that, though
[03:15] <Minataku> I know what requires what
[03:15] <Minataku> Typically I only log in as root to use Portage
[03:16] <Minataku> Since I'll usually emerge a load of things and do per-line environment manipulation (for USE flags)
[03:16] <Minataku> Which makes a root shell better
[03:16] <draik> Hello all
[03:17] <Minataku> Hiya
[03:17] <draik> Who left Murphy out of his cage?
[03:17] <draik> Hey Minataku
[03:17] <Minataku> His laws bite you in the ass?
[03:20] <draik> Minataku: I lost a promotion at work. My car's transmission is gone; not even operational. I got my Cable connection canceled for DSL. Yeah, I would think so.
[03:20] <Minataku> Ack :(
[03:21] <ardchoille> draik: Whoa, and I thought *I* had a monoploy on Murphy's laws
[03:21] <jtt> draik, yeah but that was a great leadin you used
[03:21] <Minataku> And I got to use the word "ass"
[03:22] <Minataku> I like that word.
[03:22] <Minataku> lol
[03:22] <draik> ardchoille: Yeah. I am hunting down the person that let Murphy out.
[03:22] <ardchoille> draik: hehe
[03:22] <draik> jtt: ...?
[03:22] <draik> o.O
[03:22] <jtt> draik  yeah
[03:23] <jtt> great leadin
[03:23] <draik> You mean "Who left Murphy out of his cage?"
[03:23] <jtt> draik, yeah
[03:23] <draik> Ah, gotcha
[03:24] <Radi01> sudo murphy -uninstall.
[03:24] <ardchoille> Radi01: hahaha
[03:24] <jtt> some times these irc channels crack me up
[03:24] <draik> Radi01: sudo apt-get remove --purge murphy
[03:24] <Radi01> lol
[03:24] <draik> Wait... forgot something...
[03:24] <ardchoille> Thee's probably even a law for that too
[03:25] <draik> sudo apt-get remove --purge murphy && sudo apt-get autoremove
[03:25] <jtt> i am actually chuckling so much i have to dry me eyes to see the screen
[03:25] <ardchoille> draik: You can combine those
[03:25] <ardchoille> draik: sudo apt-get remove --purge --auto-remove package
[03:25] <draik> ardchoille: Oohhh. How so?
[03:25] <draik> Ah, very good.
[03:26] <ardchoille> draik: The "--auto-remove" option was added to apt-get in Edgy
[03:26] <stdin> ardchoille: easier still "sudo apt-get --purge autoremove <package>"
[03:26] <draik> ardchoille: Then that's what I'm going to use on Murphy and it's owner
[03:26] <ardchoille> stdin: Nice
[03:26] <stdin> or just use aptitude ;)
[03:26] <ardchoille> Yeah
[03:26] <draik> CLI
[03:27] <ardchoille> alias purgeme='sudo aptitude purge'  :)
[03:27] <ardchoille> Thank $DIETY for /bash_aliases
[03:28] <ardchoille> s|/|.|
[03:28] <draik> alias die='sudo apt-get remove'
[03:28] <ardchoille> Ooh, I like "die" better
[03:29] <draik> It was named after an ex at one point, but I cut back a few letters and decided on "die"
[03:29] <jtt> PS1="login:"
[03:29] <ardchoille> draik: lol
[03:30] <draik> I think we have a pretty good bash thing going on here...
[03:30] <draik> I introduced a co-worker to bash.org today
[03:30] <draik> He was fairly entertained
[03:34] <joseph> the bash.org moderators stink :)
[03:35] <Minataku> Heh
[03:35] <Minataku> They have for years now
[03:35] <Minataku> Which is why there's qdb.us
[03:35] <Minataku> I believe that's it
[03:37] <joseph> is that an alternative to bash?
[03:39] <draik> techcomedy.com
[03:39] <draik> I love the EUPotD
[03:40] <Minataku> joseph: It is
[03:40] <joseph> it looks the same almost
[03:43] <stansmith> guys, who has more packages, ubuntu or debian?
[03:43] <flaccid> look it up
[03:43] <INIT_6> Sorry, I have been trying to find my answer all day. I got all my kde4 packages installed. and got it to work with  xephyr. I want to run a full session to do so. it seems i need kdm-kde4. however it seems that packages isn't there to download or install. am I missing something?
[03:43] <stansmith> ...
[03:44] <flaccid> ubuntu inherits debian so..
[03:44] <stdin> INIT_6: where did you get the idea you need kdm-kde4 ?
[03:44] <flaccid> and it depends what repos you are talking about. what is the UoD ?
[03:44] <INIT_6> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc1.php
[03:44] <stansmith> yea but i heard ian murdock saying how some ubuntu packages arent backwards compatible with debian
[03:46] <stdin> INIT_6: you should only actually need kdebase-workspace-data
[03:47] <INIT_6> stdin, let me try that, and thank you. you are always helping everyone.
[03:47] <stdin> :)
[03:47] <stansmith> stdin, do you program C?
[03:47] <stdin> eww, no :P
[03:47] <INIT_6> he programs in binary
[03:47] <stansmith> oh...I always thought thats where you got your name from
[03:48] <flaccid> stdin is shell
[03:48] <stdin> that, and "cin" was taken
[03:48] <flaccid> hehe
[03:48]  * stdin dabbles in C++
[03:49] <flaccid> c++ and qt rule for gui app dev
[03:49] <stansmith> flaccid: http://irc.essex.ac.uk/www.iota-six.co.uk/c/c1_standard_input_and_output.asp
[03:49] <flaccid> stansmith: technically it doesn't have to be done in C (which is what most unix is made from)
[03:49] <stdin> flaccid: http://stdin.me.uk/code/ < my 1st Qt app :)
[03:50] <stansmith> stdin: you are in jolly UK?
[03:50] <stdin> stansmith: not sure how jolly it is, but yeah
[03:50] <flaccid> stdin: nice man. did you use c++ ?
[03:51] <stdin> flaccid: yeah, all totally written in C++ (didn't even use Qt designer)
[03:51] <flaccid> ah
[03:51] <flaccid> i think i will be picking your brain soon then :)
[03:52] <stdin> there's always ##qt
[03:52] <stansmith> haha
[03:52] <stansmith> and the library
[03:52] <flaccid> yeah i've just made something basic in the past and need to re-visit when i get round to it
[03:55] <stdin> flaccid: read the docs, they are no end of use to me. install the package "qt4-doc"  or just use the online version http://doc.trolltech.com/4.3/index.html
[03:55] <INIT_6> stdin, after I install kdebase-workspace-data. do I need to edit anything. or just restart?
[03:56] <stdin> INIT_6: just follow on through the instructions, "copy /usr/lib/kde4/share/kde4/apps/kdm/sessions/kde.desktop to /usr/share/xsessions/kde4.desktop, edit the Name entry in kde4.desktop to be called "KDE 4", put the four export lines at the top of /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde and start a new session in KDM with KDE 4."
[03:56] <flaccid> stdin: thanks muchly br0
[03:56] <INIT_6> oh ok, thanks,
[03:58] <stansmith> ok well i think debian has more packages
[04:00] <CadaverPimp> How do I get draik to logoff?
[04:00] <stdin> !ghost
[04:00] <ubotu> On IRC, if you own a nick that is currently being used, you can make it quit by typing: /msg nickserv GHOST <username> <password>
[04:00] <draik> Ahhhhh
[04:01] <draik> Back into my old skin
[04:01] <draik> Thank you stdin
[04:01] <stdin> :)
[04:01] <naelr> if I do rmmod on a module then I blacklist it if I wanna bring it back can I just unblacklist it or do I need to reinstall it?
[04:01] <stansmith> naelr: unblacklist it and insmod
[04:01] <stdin> naelr: just remove it from the blacklist file
[04:01] <stdin> you can just modprobe it manually too
[04:01] <naelr> damnit that was what I forgot ... insmod hahah
[04:02] <naelr> well I would have to modprobe it every boot
[04:02] <naelr> i was lsmoding it t oo.. I just forgot insmod
[04:02] <draik> When a nick is being ghosted, what is it doing? Does it just sit there doing nothing?
[04:02] <naelr> thanks stansmith
[04:03] <stdin> draik: it's a dead connection, after a while freenode will realise that it doesn't respond and close the connection itself
[04:03] <xoqa> anyone mind taking another stab at why konqueror isn't rendering flash correctly? not sure what reinstalling konqueror would do..
[04:04] <stansmith> ok, according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Linux_distributions , debian has about 3000 more packages then ubuntu
[04:05] <naelr> ok here it goes ndiswrapper
[04:07] <naelr> does anyone know if you can put ndiswrapper drivers into promiscuis mode?
[04:08] <stdin> don't think you can do that with ndiswrapper
[04:08] <INIT_6> trying to copy /usr/lib/kde4/share/kde4/apps/kdm/sessions/kde.desktop However /usr/lib/kde4/share/kde4 doesn't have a folder called apps only services and servicetypes
[04:09] <INIT_6> n/m
[04:09] <INIT_6> what it's in /usr/lib/kde4/share/apps/kdm/sessions/ now
[04:11] <naelr> man I have never rebooted linux so much as I have in the last 3 days
[04:12] <naelr> I wonder if  i have rebooted windows as much haha
[04:15] <david__> hola
[04:15] <david__> hello
[04:23] <oli712> l
[04:25] <crackhead_25> question: i need help mounting my lacie external firewire hd. it had been mounting fine a week ago. now it won't mount. it just seems to be an empty folder (not recognizing as an external/flash drive/thumb drive), and i know it has many gb's of data on it.
[04:32] <rockets> How do I enable tabs in kopete?
[04:36] <setuid_w00t> Is there a way to set startup programs when kde starts?
[04:37] <setuid_w00t> Say I always want to open konsole, kontact, kopete, etc
[04:37] <myk_> somehow I managed to break KDM and now have the regular login manager. How can I restore the default Kubuntu gutsy KDM?
[04:40] <setuid_w00t> myk_: I'm not sure what you mean by regular login manager
[04:40] <setuid_w00t> gdm?
[04:40] <setuid_w00t> myk_: you could try removing xdm and gdm from your system if you don't want them
[04:41] <INIT_6> oh, man that was scary. I got traped in kde4
[04:41] <myk_> is there a config file somewhere where i can specify that I want to use kdm as the default login manager?
[04:42] <stdin> myk_: /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[04:43] <myk_> seems correct.. this file has one line, /usr/bin/kdm
[04:43] <stdin> setuid_w00t: you can either leave the apps open when you logout and they should autostart, or put links to the files in ~/.kde/Autostart
[04:43] <stdin> erm, applications not files
[04:43] <setuid_w00t> stdin: cool, thanks
[04:44] <INIT_6> Maybe someone can help me out. I got kde4 setup. so I can log into it now from kdm. However there is no menu, it's all blue, I have to open everything by running  commands.
[04:45] <stdin> INIT_6: try moving your old ~/.kde4 out of the way
[04:45] <myk_> i just purged kdm and kubuntu-dekstop. I will reinstall them and see if that helps
[04:46] <stdin> myk_: try reinstalling kubuntu-default-settings too
[04:46] <myk_> will give it a try, thanks. This all started after trying to install some kdm themes like i did in previous kubuntu distros.. Apparently the new one doesnt like that
[04:46] <myk_> be right back.
[04:46] <setuid_w00t> myk_: Instead of purge and reinstall, you can often do "dpkg --reconfigure <package>"
[04:47] <INIT_6> I am sorry, you might have lost me on that one.  when you say move it out of the way, what do you mean?
[04:48] <stdin> rename it to something else
[04:48] <stdin> like ~/.kde4.backup
[04:48] <INIT_6> ok, thanks.  so I guess everything in there gets auto-populated.
[04:49] <stdin> yeah
[04:53] <cal_> I'm having a problem connecting to my msn account in both pidgin and amsn. both clients tell me "disconnected, you have logged in from another location" any ideas?
[04:54] <stdin> try kopete instead
[04:54] <cal_> ..mkay
[04:54] <xoqa> it woorrks!
[04:54] <xoqa> whooo!!!
[04:55] <naelr> would ndiswrapper installed in gutsy have problem with this kernel http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=623874&highlight=zen+kernel
[04:55] <naelr> might this be why I can't get my wireless driver running?
[04:55] <cal_> that worked stdin, ta
[04:57] <lizilili> hello !how to player rmvb,rm vedios in kubuntu6.06 ?
[04:57] <lizilili> i am a new in kubuntu ,please !
[04:57] <stdin> lizilili: see this link https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[04:58] <cal_> lizlili, try vlcplayer
[04:59] <Dr_willis> I wonder where people are getting this realplayer stuff. i havent stumbled upon a web site with realplayer   audio in ages.
[05:00] <naelr> guess no one knows about ndiswrapper huh?
[05:00] <cal_> I'm new to irc, anyone recommend a list of chat rooms/servers etc?
[05:00] <stdin> try bbc.co.uk, it's either realplayer or wmv...
[05:00] <stdin> cal_: for general chat, try #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:01] <cal_> stdin, thanks again!
[05:01] <Dr_willis> I was thinking the bbc played for me with mplayer plugin .. Not on the linux box right now so cant double check
[05:03] <INIT_6> I moved my ~/.kde4 folder out of the way. still same thing. menu bar isn't there just blue. wondering if I messed it up. by doing something stupid. like I first used the steps from this page: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc1.php     Then, I did steps here for kubuntu: http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4#Kubuntu_and_Debian So I am thinking I got packages mixed.
[05:03] <INIT_6> should I just scrape it all and start over?
[05:04] <Dr_willis> i aint even touching kde4 other then on live cd's :) untill its actually ready for primetime. :P
[05:05] <stdin> INIT_6: that kde page is for building kde4, not installing it
[05:06] <lizilili> is there firefox in kubuntu6.06 dafult ? i just installed kubuntu6.06.
[05:06] <Dr_willis> Its not installed by default
[05:06] <stdin> INIT_6: you could just add the application launcher plasmoid to the desktop
[05:07] <INIT_6> I have that i think, plasmoid, it is what lets me right click and run commands. and can add apps but they end up as black boxs
[05:08] <lizilili> what is the meaning of 'cannot connect to X server' when i typed 'kate /ect/X11/xorg.cong' in terminal ?
[05:08] <naelr> wow this this is driving me crazy
[05:09] <__nihil> I've been struggling with this for a while.  I installed the fglrx drivers for my video card, and they seem to be working properly on display :0, but for some reason KDE is running on display :1 ...  Both displays are on the same screen.  I only want :0.
[05:09] <stdin> lizilili: make sure you run it as your user (not root). if you want to run it as root use "kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[05:09] <naelr> laptops shouldn't be allowed to put crazy hardware in them what ever happen to IBM clones of the good old days
[05:09] <lizilili> i can do nothing in
[05:09] <lizilili> lizilili@kubuntu:~$ sudo -i
[05:09] <lizilili> Password:
[05:09] <lizilili> root@kubuntu:~# kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:09] <lizilili> kdesu: cannot connect to X server
[05:09] <lizilili> root@kubuntu:~#
[05:09] <Dr_willis> that ones that followed non standard standards
[05:10] <Dr_willis> lizilili,  use kdesu, not sudo  perhaps.
[05:10] <naelr> I have 3 kernels on this laptop
[05:10] <Dr_willis> or is it kdesudo  i alwyas forget
[05:10] <naelr> 1 will alow me to use everything but wireless
[05:10] <stdin> lizilili: like i said, run as your user, not root
[05:10] <naelr> 1 willnot boot at all
[05:10] <naelr> and 1 will allow everything but sound
[05:10] <lizilili> i see
[05:11] <ubuntu> is there a telnet client packaged w/ the fiesty distro?
[05:11] <naelr> telnet
[05:11] <Dr_willis> the defacto client. :) heh
[05:11] <Dr_willis> egads - who uses telnet these days?
[05:11] <ubuntu> im in the console, but I dont know how to specify sever and port
[05:12] <ubuntu> I should probably read...
[05:12] <__nihil> Any idea why I have more than one display?
[05:12] <ubuntu> im having problems getting http traffic, but this irc works ok
[05:12] <stdin> __nihil: maybe you installed XGL
[05:12] <ubuntu> some dude suggested I telnet to a server and 'get /''
[05:13] <__nihil> My ServerCmd in kdmrc is using X
[05:13] <ubuntu> to see if my 80 was blocked
[05:13] <Dr_willis> ubuntu,  telnet to what server to get '/' what the heck  do ya even mean by get / :)
[05:13] <Dr_willis> You can telnet to port 80 on a web browser as a test.
[05:13] <ubuntu> yeah, that's what I'm going for
[05:14] <rgreening> telnet://ipaddress:80
[05:14] <Dr_willis>  telnet --help
[05:14] <ubuntu> thanks all
[05:14] <Dr_willis>  telnet localhost 80
[05:14] <rgreening> or telnet from command line (telnet ip port)
[05:15] <__nihil> Many websites require a Host header and HTTP1.1
[05:15] <stdin> 'HTTP/1.0 GET /'  should work for most
[05:16] <__nihil> So if I have Xgl installed, even if it's not in my kdmrc, it could be causing this multiple display issue?
[05:17] <carlos_> how i close compiz?
[05:17] <ubuntu> does ctrl c do the same thing as in dos?
[05:18] <stdin> not sure, but I remember something about XGL starting on :1 for some systems by default. see if you have "xserver-xgl" installed
[05:18] <stdin> __nihil: ^
[05:18] <__nihil> It's worth a shot...
[05:18] <stdin> carlos_: Alt-F2 and put in "kwin --replace"
[05:18] <Dr_willis> ctrl-c sends a break to a running program and normally stops it - under bash.
[05:19] <carlos_> tanks, i gonna try this
[05:25] <epimeth> hi guys... I installed xorg on a brand new gutsy install... it didn't actually work until I did a dpkg reconfigure, but that doesn't pertain to my question.
[05:26] <naelr> anyone wanna tackle this one about the wireless and ndiswrapper
[05:26] <epimeth> I want to do some x11 forwarding tests... the wiki tells me to xinit -e ssh -XCT user@server fluxbox -- :1
[05:26] <epimeth> I haven't installed *any* window managers.  what is the default one that comes out of the box?
[05:26] <epimeth> anybody know?
[05:27] <naelr> for which distro
[05:27] <epimeth> naelr: I've done ndis... whats the problem?
[05:27] <naelr> kubuntu is kde , ubuntu is gnome and xubuntu is xfce
[05:27] <epimeth> naelr: kubuntu cli only install
[05:27] <stdin> epimeth: then none
[05:28] <epimeth> stdin: so how do I test the full desktop forwarding?
[05:28] <stdin> epimeth: install a window manager maybe?
[05:28] <epimeth> I did a "remote login" from the login screen and indeed got *something*, but I think it tried running kde.  I had a black screen with the "x" mouse pointer
[05:29] <epimeth> stdin: some sort of minimal window manager is installed, tho.  startx opens runs the server and I get a mouse pointer and everything :-)  there's some default window manager installed
[05:29] <naelr> ok I have 3 kernels on this laptop ... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=623874&highlight=zen+kernel - which will boot (gives me all but wireless)... 2.6.20-12 which will boot (gives me all but sound)  and 2.6.22-14 which won't boot at all
[05:29] <epimeth> I think....
[05:29] <stdin> epimeth: no, there is no window manager, that's just X
[05:29] <epimeth> stdin: ohhh... can I forward that?
[05:30] <naelr> would the nidswrapper that works in 2.6.20-12 need recomplied for the other kernel?
[05:30] <naelr> or might something from the zen kernel be getting in the way
[05:31] <stdin> epimeth: the command after "ssh -XCT user@server " is the command to run on the remote system. so use a window manager that's installed on the remote system
[05:32] <naelr> ok I gonna give up for the night
[05:32] <naelr> this laptop is giving me the pain in the head
[05:33] <epimeth> stdin: so again, no window manager is installed.  I *have* to install one?
[05:33] <stdin> if you want to forward a full desktop, then yeah
[05:35] <Dr_willis> im using xming to get xchat on the upstairs vista machine at this moment. :)  In this case i dont need a full desktop.
[05:36] <Dr_willis> I just have the apps getting forwarded to xming.
[05:36] <epimeth> stdin: but I don't... this is a dev server box.  I want to have x forwarding on it just so the windows guys don't throw a hissy fit about being limited to the cli over ssh.  Whats a good minimalistic window manager?
[05:36] <epimeth> I don't want to waste resources on kde or gnome.  granted, it isn't much but we will be doing lots of data mining and every little bit counts
[05:37] <stdin> epimeth: I tend to go with enlightenment myself, but generally the lighter the window manager the higher it's learning curve :p
[05:37] <Dr_willis> jwm, and icewm are both very light.
[05:37] <Dr_willis> and look sort of like win95  so they will figure it out.
[05:37] <Dr_willis> jwm is about as basic a window manager as ya can get that has a simple start button.
[05:38] <epimeth> I'll google them... cheers guys :-)
[05:38] <epimeth> no enlightenment screencaps?
[05:39] <Dr_willis> enlightment has a lot of themes and extras and can look all sorts of ways
[05:39] <Dr_willis> its also the default window manager (highly tweaked) by that gOS ubuntuspinoff.
[05:40] <Dr_willis> Its scary that these days enlightment is considered 'light' it used to be a BIG-Heavy boy! :)
[05:40] <stdin> now twm, that's light :p
[05:40] <joseph> lite, even
[05:42] <adamonline45> Hi...  Is it normal for the screen to go black after confirming and starting the install of 7.10? Last time, I shook my mouse, it came back to life, and halted...  Should I just leave it? For how long?
[05:42] <epimeth> hah! twm!  *exactly* what I was looking for :-)  I remember this one!
[05:42] <Dr_willis> twm is so annoying in ways its scary. :)
[05:42] <Dr_willis> of course i rember using wmx and wm2 for ages..
[05:42] <epimeth> its in the repos?
[05:42] <Dr_willis> !find twm
[05:42] <ubotu> Found: ctwm, twm, vtwm
[05:43] <Dr_willis> I wonder how you would even compare 'lightness' of things like twm/jwm/vtwm and so forth..
[05:43] <epimeth> you know... .wm2 doesn't look too bad
[05:43] <Dr_willis> Guess just plain memory used? since the cpu used by any of them would be.. rather minimal
[05:43] <Dr_willis> wm2 and wmx  - had issues last i tried to compile them..  Wonder if they have been updated recently
[05:44] <Dr_willis> !find wmx
[05:44] <ubotu> Found: wmx10, wmxres
[05:44] <Dr_willis> !find wm2
[05:44] <ubotu> Found: wm2
[05:44] <Dr_willis> !info wm2
[05:44] <ubotu> wm2: small, unconfigurable window manager. In component universe, is optional.  In component universe, is optional. Version 1.5-1 (gutsy), package size 82 kB, installed size 268 kB
[05:45] <epimeth> hmmm... twm suggests kdebase-bin ?
[05:46] <stdin> erm, no
[05:47] <Dr_willis> good old wm2! just like i rember! :)
[05:47] <epimeth> stdin: that was a statement of fact, not a question.  the question mark was for confusedness emphasis :-)
[05:47] <epimeth> !info sux
[05:47] <ubotu> sux: wrapper around su which will transfer your X credentials. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.1-3.2 (gutsy), package size 8 kB, installed size 64 kB
[05:47] <stdin> epimeth: yeah, I checked: "apt-cache show twm" it suggests nothing
[05:48] <Dr_willis> i use sux all the time.
[05:48] <sMonk> Anyone know how to solve a Grub Error 2?     Suggested packages: gksu kdebase-bin sux
[05:49] <Berto> Is it possible to have the Amarok volume bar control my ALSA's PCM (or Front) rather than its own volume control??
[05:49] <Dr_willis> !info dwm
[05:49] <ubotu> dwm: dynamic window manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 4.3-1 (gutsy), package size 30 kB, installed size 184 kB
[05:49] <stdin> epimeth: it's menu that suggests them
[05:50] <epimeth> stdin: ahh... right.  but only menu and twm will be installed, yes?
[05:50] <stdin> yeah
[05:50] <epimeth> although... jwm does look all right as well... hmmm
[05:51] <epimeth> come to think of it... twm will hurt the windows folks a bit too much, no?  I think maybe jwm might be the best choice here
[05:52] <epimeth> whelp... jwm is installed.  now how do I configure x to load it automatically?
[05:52] <Dr_willis> which is why i suggested it. :)
[05:53] <Dr_willis> depeneds on how you are starting X
[05:53] <epimeth> startx
[05:53] <Dr_willis> make a .xinitrc for it is the best way then
[05:53] <Dr_willis> example. (2 lines)   xterm &  jwm
[05:53] <Dr_willis> You may want to start a few other little apps.  and tweak the menus.
[05:53] <Dr_willis> set the background perhaps.
[05:54] <epimeth> Dr_willis: actually... startx loaded it automagically
[05:54] <Dr_willis> it must of set up itself as a default since its the only one
[05:54] <epimeth> could be
[05:54] <Dr_willis> You still may want to tweak it a little
[05:55] <epimeth> if I run xinit on this box It'll quit this session, yes?
[05:55] <epimeth> I will, i will... I just want to test the forwarding first
[05:56] <epimeth> cheers amigos.  I'll try and brb :-)
[05:57] <crazy_bus> I have a .mov file.  But it's only playing in kaffeine as audio.  Previous .mov's have worked with video.  Is their anything I can do?
[05:58] <flaccid> !codecs
[05:58] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:58] <flaccid> first link
[05:58] <epimeth> lol
[05:58] <epimeth> I didn't know I had two virtual consoles
[05:58] <flaccid> !quicktime
[05:58] <epimeth> I opened the instructions in lynx and everything :-)
[05:58] <flaccid> yeah has to be first link
[05:59] <epimeth> soooo. I ran xinit -e ssh -XCT <IP_ADDRESS> jwm -- :1
[05:59] <epimeth> jwm did *not* load
[06:00] <Dr_willis> epimeth,  so what did load?
[06:00] <epimeth> oh... right... it was just asking for a password
[06:00] <epimeth> it works!
[06:00] <epimeth> eureeka!
[06:01] <Dr_willis> wowsers! :0
[06:01]  * Dr_willis has no idea what epimeth  was doing with that xinit -e ssh -XCT <IP_ADDRESS> jwm -- :1   command.. :)
[06:01] <crazy_bus> flaccid: that article says to install a package which also pulls in flash, and java.  I already installed the ffmpeg package for kaffeine which enabled me to view all previous wmv's and .mov's.  Is it possible that this new .mov is different and need something else?
[06:02] <flaccid> i guess its possible
[06:02] <flaccid> d/l a sample .mov from the net to test it
[06:02] <epimeth> Dr_willis: forwarding an entire desktop
[06:04] <Dr_willis> that just seems odd.. :) but i guess xdmcp is not always useable.
[06:04] <epimeth> xdmcp?
[06:04] <flaccid> thin client protocol
[06:05] <Dr_willis> I ssh to one  linux machine  and run  a app.. it appears here. :) (using xming on vista)
[06:05] <Dr_willis> actually i dont have tossh   - i can start up xming and have it query the network and show me the gdm screen
[06:06] <Dr_willis> but under linux thres always a dozen ways to do somthing.
[06:06] <Dr_willis> gotta love that.
[06:06] <stdin> "X Display Manager Control Protocol"  lets you login to a remote display manager
[06:06] <flaccid> its good that its not closed up
[06:06] <Dr_willis> i guess xdmcp is rather omd skool.
[06:06] <epimeth> can't I do tat through kdm?
[06:06] <flaccid> i dunno i don't see a replacement for xdmcp
[06:06] <flaccid> yeah use kdm..
[06:06] <Dr_willis> if you look at the kdm/gdm sessions menu. often they have a 'xdmcp query' item.
[06:06] <stdin> any X display manager should have xdmcp available
[06:06] <flaccid> !thinclient
[06:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about thinclient - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:07] <flaccid> its on the wiki somewhere..
[06:07] <Dr_willis> yea. im a little vague on how 'ssh -Y whtever ' then running an app. differs from xming connecting/forwarding an app..
[06:07] <epimeth> thing is, I don't know if there's a display manager running... I start x11 with startx
[06:08] <stdin> Dr_willis: simple, xming starts a X server first
[06:08] <Dr_willis> stdin,  yea guess so. :)
[06:08] <Dr_willis> xming may even be defaulting to tunnling the xdmcp stuff thorugh ssh.
[06:09] <stdin> don't think you can tunnel xdmcp through ssh
[06:09] <stdin> you can forward the port through shh though
[06:10] <Dr_willis> well if i start the xming wizaard. it asks if i want to 'start a program' or 'open session via xdmcp' - Guess the latter is not using ssh.
[06:11] <Dr_willis> lets see.. xdmcp broadcasting..  and Nothing.. I must not have kdm/gdm configured right  on that machine
[06:12] <Dr_willis> there we go. :) kdm in a window all nice and neat
[06:12] <epimeth> right... silly me... I *do* need a window manager if I want it to work in windows, right?
[06:12] <epimeth> xming won't get the whole desktop?
[06:12] <Dr_willis> epimeth,  depends on what you are doing
[06:13] <Dr_willis> xming gives me a option. :)
[06:13] <epimeth> yea?
[06:13] <Dr_willis> i can have X apps appear in their own windows. as if they were windows apps.
[06:13] <mcvanen> any french channel for help ?
[06:13] <stdin> on windows it'll use the windows window manager
[06:13] <epimeth> !fr | mcvanen
[06:13] <ubotu> mcvanen: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[06:13] <mcvanen> !fr
[06:13] <flaccid> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientHowto
[06:13] <Dr_willis> or appear on theior own desktop.  OR i could use the xdmcp way and get the kdm/gdm login as if i was connecting directly.
[06:13] <mcvanen> thx a lot
[06:13] <epimeth> no worries
[06:14] <flaccid> i think that guides the full scalable one
[06:14] <Dr_willis> Then ya got the 'vnc' method of doing some of this. :P
[06:14] <flaccid> ah thats the real thin client with pxe boot on network
[06:14] <Dr_willis> and 'freenx'
[06:14] <epimeth> I was thinking of vnc, actually... but isn't that overkill?
[06:14] <Dr_willis> depends on what you want to do.
[06:14] <epimeth> X11 forwarding is enough
[06:14] <Dr_willis> vnc can let you have X login sessions that stay alive when you close the window.
[06:15] <epimeth> good point....
[06:15] <Dr_willis> I use vnc and jwm to run ktorrent for me in the background for weeks on end. :)
[06:15] <epimeth> right
[06:15] <Dr_willis> true theres better ways to controll ktorrent.. but it was just a neat way to do it.
[06:15] <epimeth> and this is a dev server, so keeping sessions alive is a good thing
[06:15] <epimeth> so vnc howto it is!
[06:15] <flaccid> !vnc
[06:15] <ubotu> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[06:16] <Dr_willis> i find the vnc4server rather easy
[06:16] <flaccid> !freenx
[06:16] <ubotu> FreeNX is advanced remote desktop technology. For more information and install instructions, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX
[06:16] <Dr_willis> not sure if freenx has  sessions that stay alive in the background.
[06:16] <Dr_willis> with vnc. you really wan tto use a light desktop also. it can get a bit laggy.
[06:16] <flaccid> this might help depending on your version: http://<IP_ADDRESS>/search?q=cache:jUFsrI35pL4J:klomdark.servebeer.com:8081/MessageBase2/ReadMessage.aspx%3FMsgNum%3D1967+xdmcp+kdm+kubuntu&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&client=opera
[06:18] <Dr_willis> thign to rember with vnc is that  if you goof up the options to the 'vncserver' command. it may spawn a new vncserver :)
[06:18] <Dr_willis> vncserver -kill :1 (or other #) to kill the sessions
[06:18] <Zombocom> yo
[06:18] <Zombocom> I'm trying to install linux on my friend's computer
[06:18] <Dr_willis> if ya goof up and use vncserver --kill :2  it wont get the arguments right and starts another one. :P
[06:19] <epimeth> flaccid: that wasn't very useful actually... kdm isn't installed :-p
[06:19] <flaccid> kdm is installed by default with kubuntu
[06:19] <Dr_willis> I dont think xdmcp can be used with out gdm/xdm/kdm
[06:19] <flaccid> not my fault if you removed it :)
[06:19] <epimeth> flaccid: nope.  not the command line only install :-)
[06:20] <flaccid> you mean server install?
[06:20] <flaccid> if you didn't install a desktop, you want be able to get um err remote desktop..
[06:20] <Zombocom> it's a Toshiba laptop with an AMD turion 64X2 processor and an ATI radion graphics card
[06:20] <vbgunz> can anybody play warsow just fine? it looks really, runs really great but every server I try to join gives me a pure check failed...
[06:20] <Zombocom> how do I install it because the boot disk freezes
[06:21] <epimeth> flaccid: installed X11 after the install... this is a server, not a desktop. I don't want dke or gnome sucking up the resources
[06:21] <flaccid> you need it
[06:21] <flaccid> you need a login manager that supports xdmcp...
[06:21] <Zombocom> CAN ANYONE HELP ME?
[06:21] <Zombocom> I'm trying to install linux on my friend's computer
[06:21] <Zombocom> it's a Toshiba laptop with an AMD turion 64X2 processor and an ATI radion graphics card
[06:21] <Zombocom> I'm trying to install linux on my friend's computer
[06:21] <flaccid> don't shout
[06:21] <Zombocom> ok ok
[06:21] <flaccid> whats the specific problem Zombocom
[06:22] <Zombocom> the installer freezes
[06:22] <Zombocom> after it installs everything
[06:22] <flaccid> try the alternate cd
[06:22] <Zombocom> I mean
[06:22] <Zombocom> what?
[06:22] <flaccid> !alternate | Zombocom
[06:22] <ubotu> Zombocom: The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD - See also !Minimal
[06:22] <Zombocom> alternate cd...
[06:23] <epimeth> did I mention how good it feels to have US internet again?  1,700 kBps after years of no more than 200kBps (if I was *lucky*) is really an amazing feeling
[06:24] <Zombocom> his computer in no way matches the description of a pc that would require the alternate install cd
[06:24] <flaccid> well if both cds don't work then unfortunately there is not much you can do as a normal user..
[06:24] <flaccid> besides making a live usb key from the live cd
[06:25] <Zombocom> whatever flaccid
[06:25] <Zombocom> thanks for helping
[06:25] <Dr_willis> I have had much better luck with installs from the Alternative Installer cd
[06:25] <flaccid> thanks for the attitiude
[06:25] <Dr_willis> the live cd  - just has issues at times
[06:26] <Dr_willis> also checking the md5 of the cd/images is a good idea to do
[06:26] <epimeth> Zombocom: have you checked the md5 of the iso?  maybe something fudged up on the download?
[06:26] <Zombocom> I used it in my computer and it worked
[06:26] <epimeth> so maybe the disk was scratched?  try burning it again...
[06:27] <Dr_willis> Ive installed ubuntu on 5 different machines.. and for some odd reason the live cd would just not work proplely on one of them. Alt Install cd worked right off. Never did figure out why.
[06:27] <flaccid> Zombocom: have a think about why they made the alternate cd. the live cd is a full live desktop that uses generic drivers to try to be generic, buts its not going to work on everything...
[06:27] <Zombocom> flaccid I am offended by your name
[06:27] <flaccid> Zombocom: why is that
[06:28] <Dr_willis> i have heard of the installer having issues with grub. which is the last thing it instlalls i belive.
[06:29] <Zombocom> flaccid makes me think of dicks, everywher
[06:29] <Zombocom> ie. flaccid penis
[06:29] <bazhang> o4o Zombocom
[06:29] <Zombocom> just that's the only thing I've heard it used in refrence to
[06:29] <Dr_willis> And here i was thinking that flaccid  was Greek! :)
[06:30] <Zombocom> really?
[06:30] <Zombocom> oh
[06:30] <epimeth> according to the Miriam Webster dictionary, flaccid means: lacking vigor or force
[06:31] <epimeth> or, when talking about plants:
[06:31] <Zombocom> yes, but in commonplace usage
[06:31] <Zombocom> when someone says flaccid
[06:31] <flaccid> thats not my fault..
[06:31] <epimeth> deficient in turgor
[06:31] <Zombocom> what are they making a refrence to
[06:31] <Zombocom> ok ok
[06:31] <Zombocom> I give up
[06:31] <flaccid> its an adjective, not a noun..
[06:31] <Zombocom> it's not really offencive
[06:31] <flaccid> well it can be both actually
[06:31] <epimeth> "a flaccid" ?
[06:32] <epimeth> "can I get some flaccid here?"
[06:32] <flaccid> yeah proper noun in my case
[06:32] <epimeth> "Oi! You! Get your flaccid out of here!"
[06:32] <Zombocom> I'll take that flaccid over there please
[06:32] <flaccid> yeah
[06:32] <epimeth> nope... just doesn't sound right
[06:32] <flaccid> im dj flaccid and i play hard trance
[06:32] <epimeth> lololololol
[06:32] <Zombocom> lol
[06:32] <epimeth> efing classic
[06:33] <Zombocom> omg lol
[06:33] <vbgunz> warsow looks pretty good. too bad its not outright easy to just play :/
[06:33] <Dr_willis> vbgunz,  yep. :) check out 'world of padman' also
[06:34] <vbgunz> is it in the reps?
[06:34] <Dr_willis> vbgunz,  and tremulus, and.. some more mondern shooter.
[06:34] <Dr_willis> trembulus (sp?) i never can spell it right
[06:34] <bazhang> warzone 2100 "}
[06:34] <Dr_willis> Not sure about padman.
[06:34] <vbgunz> I don't feel like building anything. if it is in the repos I'll check it out :)
[06:34] <vbgunz> I saw screens on padman, it looks good, sort of like warsow
[06:34] <Dr_willis> padman last i tried it was just download the tar.gz unpack to games.. cd padman ./padman :)
[06:34] <epimeth> warzone! nice!  I played that like *years* ago
[06:35] <Dr_willis> padman has some neat maps. Like Smurfs with guns. :)
[06:35] <Zombocom> you guys need to talk tech support
[06:35] <Zombocom> not videogame
[06:35] <Zombocom> geez
[06:35] <Zombocom> newfags
[06:35] <vbgunz> warsow plays great by itself. I cannot join any servers though and setting one up puts me in an empty server... I tried adding bots but I don't see none.. heh, trying to get a feel for it
[06:35] <bazhang> :{
[06:36] <epimeth> I didn't have the heart to tell him that the first definition was "not firm or stiff; also : lacking normal or youthful firmness"
[06:36] <Dr_willis> how turgor of you...
[06:36] <Dr_willis> :P
[06:37] <epimeth> turgorful! please!  we speaka da correct eeenglich here
[06:37] <vbgunz> damn, padman is 550 MB ... heh
[06:37] <epimeth> :-)
[06:37] <vbgunz> tremulous is in the repos, I'll check it out
[06:37] <epimeth> anybody set up vnc on gutsy?
[06:38] <vbgunz> reminds of natural selection for steam
[06:38] <vbgunz> actually half-life mod
[06:38] <Dr_willis> epimeth,  i use vnc4server all the time
[06:38] <Dr_willis> epimeth,  'sudo apt-get install vnc4server' :)
[06:39] <Dr_willis>  then as the user use vncpasswd to set up their password.
[06:39] <Dr_willis> first time ya run vncserver, it will make a .vnc dir.  (stop the vncserver with vncserver -kill :1)  edit the .vnc/xstartup to run what ever desktop you want
[06:40] <epimeth> what about tightvncserver?
[06:40] <epimeth> !vnc
[06:40] <ubotu> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[06:41] <Dr_willis> epimeth,  what about it. :0
[06:41] <epimeth> that suggested tightvncserver
[06:41] <epimeth> not vnc4server
[06:41] <Dr_willis> heh. I just have had better luck with vnc4server inthe past.
[06:41] <epimeth> ah
[06:41] <epimeth> all right
[06:41] <Dr_willis> i doubt if thers going to be much diff.
[06:41] <epimeth> well there's something here about font paths?
[06:41] <Dr_willis> ages ago some of the vncservers had issues with fonts.. but not noticed that lately. (they had some buggy scripts)
[06:42] <epimeth> lol
[06:42] <epimeth> there it is
[06:42] <epimeth> meh
[06:42] <Dr_willis> not sure its even a problem any more. with vnc4server - i did NOT have to mess with anything. :)
[06:42] <crazypoultry> i'm trying to install kdm-kde4 and got this error "dpkg: error processing kdm-kde4 (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" any help would be appreciated
[06:42] <Dr_willis> other then editing the xstartup how i wanted
[06:42] <epimeth> but I want it over ssh
[06:42] <Dr_willis> you could tunnle vnc over ssh if you wanted.
[06:42] <epimeth> I don't want users to need *another* password
[06:43] <Dr_willis> dont ya know! more passwords make it more secure! :0
[06:43] <Dr_willis> heh heh.
[06:44] <Dr_willis> i cheat and always use the same password.  for my login as my vncserver sessions
[06:44] <johnny_b> hehe
[06:45] <Dr_willis> well good luck. Night all..
[06:45] <epimeth> gnight doc!
[06:45] <johnny_b> god morning.
[06:46] <johnny_b> what about driver for my scanner? Any help?
[06:46] <johnny_b> xane does nok work.
[06:47] <johnny_b> Canon scanner
[06:47] <johnny_b> USB- scanner
[06:48] <johnny_b> well, forget it
[06:48] <johnny_b> bye
[06:54] <Greenery> anyone here uses canon pixma printer? i don't know what driver to use for itcos i cant find it on the printer settings
[07:00] <adamonline45> Greenery: I searched long and hard for that!  Never found it; ended up getting a free HP with my macbook... But I heard that there was a Mac driver available that could be modified to work with *nix.  Never found it... I miss my pixma :(  In retrospect, I think I had it working on my first Ubuntu install.  It was a pixma 5000, and I had to use the 4000 or 4100 or 4900... I don't remember...  :/  Hope that somewhat helps.  There's a s
[07:09] <Greenery> adamonline45: o well thanks, i tried the driver for iP4000 available in kubuntu, test print prints 1/4 size of the A4 page
[07:13] <adamonline45> Greenery: No problem!  I had that same issue, I remember...
[07:14] <adamonline45> If Adept Updater says a new distribution version is available, does that mean an upgrade from my current feisty version, or an upgrade of Adept Updater?
[07:17] <epimeth> !firewall
[07:17] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[07:18] <Greenery> adamonline45: i think its an upgrade to kubuntu gutsy, not adept
[07:20] <david__> Holaa!
[07:20] <david__> ay alguien?
[07:21] <ardchoille> !es | david__
[07:21] <ubotu> david__: Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[07:21] <ere4si> !pt
[07:21] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado.
[07:32] <adamonline45> On a macbook, does anyone know what the motion sensor thing is about? Do I need to enable my iSight camera?
[07:41] <kraut> moin
[08:04] <surgy> how do i make a program start automaticly when i log in?
[08:05] <ardchoille> !autostart
[08:05] <ubotu> To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[08:07] <surgy> ardchoille: thnx, now how do i make gaim automaticly sign me into a certain account?
[08:07] <surgy> and also how do i make a "link" ?
[08:07] <ardchoille> surgy: I;ve never used gaim, perhaps ask in #ubuntu since gaim is a gnome app
[08:07] <ardchoille> !link
[08:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about link - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:08] <surgy> ?
[08:09] <adamonline45> surgy: I just installed pidgin, works great... It's the new version of GAIM...
[08:09] <ardchoille> surgy: To make a link:  ln -s /path/target /path/name-of-link
[08:09] <emilsedgh> gaim has nothing againts kopete...i cannot understand why people are still using it
[08:10] <adamonline45> does kopete use the AIM protocol too?
[08:10] <ardchoille> Yes
[08:10] <surgy> ardchoille: where /path/target is the path to the executable and /path/name-of-link is where you want the link to be ?
[08:10] <ardchoille> surgy: Right
[08:10] <adamonline45> ardchoille: What makes it superior, if you don't mind my asking?
[08:10] <ardchoille> adamonline45: What makes what superior?
[08:11] <adamonline45> ardchoille: Oh sorry, I meant to ask emilsedgh.  In reference to kopete
[08:11] <ardchoille> adamonline45: Ah, ok
[08:12] <emilsedgh> adamonline45: sorry my english isnt very well, i didnt get what did you mean :)
[08:12] <adamonline45> emilsedgh: does it provide dependable AIM protocol video chat and file transfers?
[08:13] <emilsedgh> adamonline45: it has aim, but i dont use it.it has video support for yahoo and msn, i dont know about aim.also file transferin is there but for yahoo it doesnt work very well (because of protocol changes in yahoo i think)
[08:13] <adamonline45> emilsedgh: Oh cool, I'll check it out!
[08:14] <adamonline45> I'm new to KDE, so I'm looking forward to all the new software to try :)  Does anyone know a gedit-like editor?  I can only seem to find openoffice
[08:14] <emilsedgh> adamonline45: but its really full-featured and comfortable and customizable.do not forget to customize, default settings sucks!
[08:14] <emilsedgh> adamonline45: Kate Rocks!
[08:15] <emilsedgh> adamonline45: gedit is crap againt Kate.Kate is 'K'DE's 'A'Dvanced 'T'ext 'E'ditor
[08:15] <emilsedgh> s/againt/againts
[08:15] <adamonline45> emilsedgh: In that case, I'll check kopete out now!  And kate, I'm on it 8)  ty!
[08:16] <adamonline45> emilsedgh: Nice!  I'm gettin' started now :)  Is there a way to save a document as root if you open it as a plain user?  That peeves me when I make a lot of edits and can't save them, haha
[08:17] <emilsedgh> adamonline45: i dont think so, but you could open them as root by right clicking and going to actions menu, there is a 'Edit As Root' option
[08:18] <adamonline45> cool, thank you
[08:20] <surgy> ardchoille:
[08:20] <surgy> surgy@derek:~$ ln -s /usr/bin/pidgin /.kde/Autostart/pidgin
[08:20] <surgy> ln: creating symbolic link `/.kde/Autostart/pidgin' to `/usr/bin/pidgin': No such file or directory
[08:20] <surgy> does that command need to be ran in sudo?
[08:21] <vbgunz> I really dislike that, having to open a file as root to edit it... you should be prompted for the password when you try to save it
[08:21] <ardchoille> no
[08:21] <ardchoille> surgy: Are you in $HOME?
[08:21] <surgy> yeah
[08:21] <ardchoille> surgy: ln -s /usr/bin/pidgin .kde/Autostart/pidgin
[08:21] <surgy> kewl
[08:22] <surgy> thnx seamed to work
[08:22] <adamonline45> vbgunz: I know! :O  It's almost a bug... It discourages proper use of sudo if you inherently always open files as root just in case...
[08:23] <vbgunz> whats the best way to map something out in hopes it'll get implemented in Hardy?
[08:23] <vbgunz> is there a Kubuntu Hardy channel?
[08:23] <grul> i dunno, but maybe
[08:23] <grul> !hardy
[08:23] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[08:23] <ardchoille> vbgunz: #ubuntu+1
[08:23] <vbgunz> thanks!
[08:24] <ardchoille> vbgunz: #ubuntu+1 is always the development channel
[08:24] <ardchoille> So, what's next? Itchy Iguana ?
[08:24] <Dragonath> pff why not #ubuntu++ ?
[08:24] <vbgunz> I really thought that but never go there. I thought I ask :)
[08:25] <ardchoille> Dragonath: You have a good point there
[08:28] <adamonline45> speaking of ++, is there a good C++ development environment for kubuntu?  I used to use dev-c++ on my Win box, anything like that?
[08:28] <ardchoille> !info ksystraycmd
[08:29] <ubotu> Package ksystraycmd does not exist in gutsy
[08:29] <ardchoille> !ksystraycmd
[08:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ksystraycmd - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:30] <tiger> adamonline45: Have you tried KDevelop ?
[08:36] <sdlnxgk> ardchoille,  I tried to use the live cdrom to change the sudoers file but for some odd reason it wasn't the same one I had changed
[08:36] <Kris_K> I'm in linux
[08:37] <Kris_K> how can I install ATI Radion drivers from recovery mode?
[08:37] <sdlnxgk> ard when I try to use sudo or even kdesu commands I get this error mesage  sudo: pam_authenticate: Conversation error
[08:37] <sdlnxgk> !sudo
[08:37] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[08:37] <ardchoille> sdlnxgk: I'm afraid I won't be able to help you with that sudo problem :(
[08:38] <sdlnxgk> ardchoille,  cool so what you saying is a borked it pretty good
[08:38] <Kris_K> ardchoille: can you help me?
[08:39] <Kris_K> wait brb
[08:41] <adamonline45> tiger: No, but I shall... ty!
[08:43] <sebastian> good morning everybody
[08:43] <corinth> Morning :-)
[08:44] <Kris_K> I installed kubuntu on my computer using the alternate install cd
[08:44] <Kris_K> and when I run the os
[08:44] <Kris_K> when the xserver is supposed to initialize
[08:44] <Kris_K> it goes back to the splash loading screen
[08:45] <Kris_K> and then just comes up with a flashing _
[08:45] <Kris_K> I'm using a toshiba laptop with an ATI Radion Graphics card
[08:46] <ardchoille> Kris_K: See if there is anything important in xorg logs: less /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[08:46] <Kris_K> ok
[08:46] <Kris_K> I'm doing it right now btw
[08:47] <Kris_K> ok what am I looking for
[08:48] <adamonline45> I need to use ndiswrapper to get my wireless working.  The tutorial I'm reading wants me to put the driver in my home folder, but if I do that, will other users still be able to use wireless okay?
[08:50] <Kris_K> ardchoille: what am I looking for?
[08:50] <ardchoille> Kris_K: Anything about incompatible hardware, errors, the word "fail", etc
[08:51] <ardchoille> Kris_K: Did you install from the alternate cd because the desktop cd wouldn't run?
[08:53] <Kris_K> ardchoille: yes, actually my friend came by asking about that earlyer
[08:54] <ardchoille> Thought so
[08:55] <Kris_K> ardchoille: do i need to install video card drivers? what do i need to do
[08:56] <corinth> The OSD for volume changing doesn't come up with my volume binds. Any suggestion?
[08:56] <WaltzingAlong> milo
[09:00] <ardchoille> Kris_K: I don't really have any idea about that kind of issue.
[09:00] <Kris_K> I'll look for it online and such
[09:01] <Kris_K> ardchoille: do u know how to install drivers if my friend got them on his flash drive
[09:01] <adamonline45> can I eject a cd-rom using software?
[09:02] <ere4si> adomonline45: type eject in konsole
[09:02] <intelikey> adamonline45  or   sudo eject <device>     even.
[09:03] <intelikey> if you want to use force on it.
[09:03] <ere4si> eject -t to shut it
[09:03]  * intelikey is very forceful
[09:03]  * Jucato forces intelikey to.. um.. to...
[09:03]  * Jucato leaves
[09:03] <adamonline45> sweet, thank you!  Dang macbook eject button doesn't seem to work...
[09:03] <intelikey> eject -x 1 Jucato
[09:04] <intelikey> don't that just nail your shoe to the floor    :)
[09:06] <ere4si> adamonline45: you can make a launcher on the panel for that
[09:06] <intelikey> or the desktop  for that matter.    a launcher can run any command
[09:07] <ere4si> yep
[09:07] <Kris_K> ardchoille: im out going to try and find the driver
[09:08] <intelikey> i made my system unbootable by replacing the nvidia card with an ati card !
[09:08] <intelikey> and yes, i know that doesn't make sense.      but,
[09:08] <ardchoille> lol
[09:08] <intelikey> the ati and the scsi cards don't play nice.
[09:09] <intelikey> and when linux loads aic7xxx the system hangs and the vidio goes bonkers
[09:10] <intelikey> well hang isn't accurate.   falls into an infinite loop of loading the module
[09:10] <intelikey> if i kill the loop the kernel panics
[09:10] <intelikey> so hang is close.
[09:11] <intelikey> (only way i found to kill the loop is the magic sysRQ E)
[09:19] <adamonline45> ere4si: Good idea with the launcher :)
[09:19] <ere4si> saves me getting up :)
[09:20] <adamonline45> One last question before I can get to bed... I've installed ndiswrapper and my wireless card driver from Windows.  According to a couple tutorials it should work now, but I don't seem to have an ath0 or wlan0.  Is there something I'm missing?
[09:20] <ere4si> I use one to open and one to close
[09:21] <ere4si> I don't do wireless - sorry
[09:21] <adamonline45> hehheh, right on!  There's no state checker, where you could just toggle it?
[09:21] <adamonline45> ere4si: It's okay, I was asking anyone who might know 8)
[09:22] <ere4si> on some drives eject -t will toggle - only way to know is try :)
[09:22] <spykedtomato> Hey all - I just noticed that my /tmp directory has 17GB worth of files in it - can I delete all that without problems?
[09:23] <adamonline45> ere4si: Not so on the macbook, apparently :)
[09:23] <ere4si> k
[09:24] <ere4si> same here
[09:25] <intelikey> i was just testing with    eject -t || eject    but it seems that the exit code is always 0 for eject   and  eject -t
[09:25] <intelikey> so i don't know off hand a way to check the drive state
[09:25] <oakxx> i just plugged a sata drive into my kumputer, can I make it appear at /dev/sda1 without rebooting?
[09:25] <tiger> spykedtomato:  check whats occupying all this space ? " cd /tmp " then "du -h "
[09:26] <intelikey> oakxx  dmesg  where did it recognize it ?
[09:26] <seezer> intelikey: what are you trying to do?
[09:27] <spykedtomato> tiger: umm - got a bunch of info but don't know what it all means...
[09:27] <seezer> there is a "-T" switch - perhaps that's what you're looking for?
[09:27] <intelikey> and no.  you can't make a "drive" appear at "sda1"   that would be the first partition on the drive.
[09:27] <alexbobp> Are there any Linux programs for recovering files deleted from an NTFS partition?
[09:27] <_Shade_> !compiz
[09:28] <intelikey> seezer a -T switch for what ?
[09:28] <seezer> intelikey:
[09:28] <seezer>        -T   With this option the drive is given a CD-ROM tray close command if it’s opened, and a CD-ROM tray  eject  command  if  it’s
[09:28] <seezer>             closed. Not all devices support this command, because it uses the above CD-ROM tray close command.
[09:28] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[09:28] <oakxx> what should I grep for in the dmesg output?
[09:28] <intelikey> seezer not my eject
[09:28] <intelikey> tty24 [root@dell:~] eject -T
[09:28] <intelikey> eject: invalid option -- T
[09:28] <seezer> eject version 2.1.5 by Jeff Tranter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:28] <seezer> default kubuntu gutsy
[09:29] <intelikey> nice,  it needed that improvement.
[09:29] <intelikey> eject version 2.0.13 by Jeff Tranter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:29] <seezer> still on feisty?
[09:29] <intelikey> no dapper
[09:29] <seezer> ah :)
[09:29] <intelikey> LTS
[09:29] <tiger> spykedtomato: Those are the subdirectories, and how much space they occupy
[09:29] <seezer> perhaps it got backportet?
[09:30] <intelikey> seezer </shrugs>  was just working on a launcher idea for others   and you have answered it.      eject -T
[09:30] <seezer> or if you really "need" it - compile it manually.
[09:31] <seezer> sorry.. :)
[09:31] <intelikey> :)
[09:31] <intelikey> ere4si    eject -T   ^
[09:31] <adamonline45> I have a slot drive... I'll have to try the T
[09:31] <Miha1> I'm currently using Ubuntu and I want to switch to Kubuntu. How can I do it without losing my files?
[09:31] <seezer> adamonline45: :P
[09:32] <adamonline45> Miha1: I believe you can just install KDE
[09:32] <seezer> Miha1: install the "kubuntu-desktop" package
[09:32] <intelikey> Miha1 sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[09:32] <ere4si> I've found case doesn't matter for that
[09:32] <spykedtomato> tiger: then maybe I should leave it alone - ./kde/spykedtomato is occupying most of the space - but... I've cleaned up the drive best I can and I'm still lacking space (7,1 GB free out of 46) - any ideas on what could be taking up that space?
[09:32] <intelikey> Miha1 sudo apt-get install kde    if you don't want to change all the defaults also
[09:33] <Miha1> I'd like to completely change the system
[09:33] <tiger> spykedtomato: It can be aptitude, try "sudo apt-get clean"
[09:34] <intelikey> ere4si well the -t switch is supported in version 2.0.13  but it doesn't function like -T at all.
[09:34] <intelikey> it only closes an open drive
[09:34] <_Shade_> is the compiz howto for feisty users only (the reoios provided are for feisty)
[09:34] <Brazilian_Joe> how do I get apt-get to autocomplete the package names?
[09:34] <posingaspopular> Brazilian_Joe: tab i think
[09:35] <spykedtomato> tiger: it apparently wasn't aptitude
[09:35] <seezer> _Shade_: you mean repositories?
[09:35] <ere4si> intelikey: the docs say not all drives support all functions - on my drive t and T did the same
[09:35] <Brazilian_Joe> yeah, thx :) the point is that it does not seem to be enabled by default
[09:35] <_Shade_> seezer: yes
[09:35] <foibles> oh my enlightenment is nice once you figure it out
[09:35] <intelikey> Brazilian_Joe   . /etc/bash_completion
[09:35] <intelikey> if it's not already active.
[09:35] <Brazilian_Joe> posingaspopular: do you know where to enable it?
[09:36] <seezer> _Shade_: gutsy has compiz in its repos
[09:36] <seezer> no need for a external one
[09:36] <intelikey> i don't think bash_completion is enabled by default,  at least not on dapper or before
[09:36] <posingaspopular> ah yea i see....
[09:36] <_Shade_> seezer: but i thought it would be a bit newer
[09:37] <seezer> _Shade_: ah ok. that's your call then. :)
[09:37] <posingaspopular> Brazilian_Joe: when you tab twice, it shows all the possible ranges of packages which can be installed. until it reaches a point where no other packages are possibles, then tab autcompletes
[09:37] <seezer> Brazilian_Joe: using gutsy?
[09:38] <Brazilian_Joe> seezer: Yes, gutsy
[09:38] <ardchoille> _Shade_: If you install something outside the package manager, you'll have to manually update it for bug fixes, security updates, etc.
[09:38] <_Shade_> ardchoille: i know
[09:38] <tiger> spykedtomato: try to find where the space occupied is, is it system wide (/etc, /var, /tmp, /opt)? or is in your home directory ( /home)?
[09:39] <intelikey> probably trash   ^
[09:39] <seezer> spykedtomato: try a 'sudo du -hs /*'
[09:39] <tiger> spykedtomato: try first this " cd ~" then " du -h | grep ^[0-9]*G"
[09:40] <seezer> Brazilian_Joe: it works for me without any manual fiddling
[09:40] <intelikey> yep this box is unbootable !   crap.
[09:40] <Brazilian_Joe> seezer: I tried it some time ago, and it didn't work. now it works :)
[09:41] <spykedtomato> tiger: oh wow - seems to be one of my firefox plugins (?!)
[09:42] <seezer> Brazilian_Joe: ah ok ;)
[09:42] <spykedtomato> du: `./.mozilla/firefox/n5lnvcnu.default/refspoof': Permission denied  15G
[09:42] <seezer> spykedtomato: so we have another konqi user? :)
[09:43] <spykedtomato> yup
[09:43] <spykedtomato> I actually made the switch a couple weeks ago ;)
[09:43] <spykedtomato> just haven't gotten around to dumping ff
[09:43] <kris> what is the default name for a flash drive
[09:43] <seezer> hehe. i'm still missing good adblock handling. but i guess kde4 will be my friend..
[09:43] <kris> so i can mount it
[09:43] <tiger> spykedtomato: wow, 15G. This is quite surprising,  glad you found it
[09:44] <seezer> kris: sd[a-z]
[09:44] <seezer> kris: try `dmesg | tail`
[09:44] <spykedtomato> tiger: me too - i couldn't figure out where all my space went
[09:44] <intelikey> kris the usb bus is normally found as an scsi device.   sd*
[09:45] <intelikey> a 15g file....   rediculess   ff should know better.
[09:46] <intelikey> oh that's a dir not a file  ?
[09:46] <spykedtomato> ummmm
[09:46] <seezer> intelikey: if it's a addon you can't really blame ff
[09:46] <spykedtomato> access is denied to that directory to both user and root??
[09:47] <tiger> spykedtomato: what, try "ls -l"
[09:47] <intelikey> access is not denied to root if it's a dir.   if it's a socket maybe..
[09:47] <intelikey> root could care less about permissions
[09:48] <spykedtomato> ... ls -l says I own it
[09:48] <seezer> spykedtomato: `ls -l ./.mozilla/firefox/n5lnvcnu.default/ | grep refspo`
[09:48] <tiger> spykedtomato: do you have the write permissions on it ? "chmod 755 "
[09:49] <seezer> you don't need write permission - but execute
[09:49] <seezer> (if it's a directory)
[09:49] <intelikey> read+exec is preferable
[09:50] <intelikey> but again root doesn't need permission.
[09:51] <spykedtomato> now I'm getting confused
[09:51] <tiger> spykedtomato: can't be mounted on read-only partition ( ntfs ) or something like that?
[09:51] <spykedtomato> wait
[09:51] <seezer> spykedtomato: try lsattr /path/to/file
[09:52] <spykedtomato> i'm just gonna try and get rid of that firefox plugin and see what happens
[09:52] <intelikey> example.   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d72f30874
[09:52] <seezer> and tell us if its a file or not ;)
[09:54] <tiger> spykedtomato: just out of curiosity which plugin is that ?
[09:54] <spykedtomato> refspoof
[09:54] <spykedtomato> don't ask ;)
[09:54] <spykedtomato> lsattr .mozilla/firefox/n5lnvcnu.default/refspoof/
[09:54] <spykedtomato> .mozilla/firefox/n5lnvcnu.default/refspoof/.: Permission denied
[09:55] <seezer> lsattr .mozilla/firefox/n5lnvcnu.default/refspoof
[09:55] <seezer> without the slash
[09:55] <intelikey> and sudo it
[09:55] <seezer> err. hm
[09:55] <spykedtomato> umm
[09:55] <spykedtomato> that gave me no output
[09:56] <seezer> lsattr -d .mozilla/firefox/n5lnvcnu.default/refspoof
[09:56] <spykedtomato> lol
[09:56] <spykedtomato> ------------------ .mozilla/firefox/n5lnvcnu.default/refspoof
[09:57] <seezer> ls -l .mozilla/firefox/n5lnvcnu.default/ | grep refspoof
[09:57] <intelikey> well it's not that.    but i'm thinking it's probably exec perms on the basedir but no read perms.
[09:57] <spykedtomato> drw-r--r--  2 spyke spyke    4096 2006-11-12 14:46 refspoof
[09:57] <squarebottle> I'm getting some kind of apt error. Can anybody help me out? http://pastebin.com/d713c76d0
[09:57] <spykedtomato> 4096??
[09:57] <seezer> chmod u+x .mozilla/firefox/n5lnvcnu.default/refspoof
[09:57] <intelikey> read no exec   so i was backwards
[09:58] <spykedtomato> seezer: done
[09:58] <intelikey> but sudo ls .mozilla/firefox/n5lnvcnu.default/refspoof     should still work.
[09:58] <seezer> spykedtomato: then try your du again
[09:59] <seezer> it's probably worth it to follow complete instructions.. :)
[09:59] <spykedtomato> 15G     .
[09:59] <spykedtomato> what's that?
[09:59] <intelikey> dot . is the present working directory
[10:00] <spykedtomato> k
[10:00] <intelikey> two dots  ..  the parent to the present.
[10:00] <spykedtomato> the total of everything in my home folder then
[10:00] <intelikey> yep
[10:00] <stdin> squarebottle: looks like you have to remove gwenrename and gwenview, then install gwenrename after
[10:01] <spykedtomato> *sigh*
[10:01] <spykedtomato> There's still something eating a lot of space then
[10:01] <spykedtomato> somewhere
[10:01] <spykedtomato> 7GB free out of 46...
[10:02] <intelikey> doesn't kde have that graphic disk usage thingy ?
[10:02] <intelikey> pie are []
[10:03] <spykedtomato> would be great
[10:03] <tiger> there is filelight, have you tried it ?
[10:03] <spykedtomato> i can see that there are a LOT of dirs for things I've uninstalled ages ago
[10:03] <spykedtomato> .songbird for example
[10:03] <intelikey> something default in the kde   don't recall the name
[10:03] <greythane> try gdmap
[10:03] <spykedtomato> og crap
[10:03] <spykedtomato> oh*
[10:03] <intelikey> ksysguard maybe.
[10:04] <intelikey> idk.
[10:04] <spykedtomato> *sigh* - before I switched from gnome to kubuntu I installed a newer version of f-spot - it's still here
[10:04] <spykedtomato> can I just delete the f-spot dir??
[10:05] <tiger> spykedtomato: you are the one who can decide :D ? check the contents
[10:05] <intelikey> you can delete anything in the home dir without breaking the system.     general rule 483
[10:05] <spykedtomato> tiger: i had installed it from source - can't uninstall it with adept or apt-get...
[10:05] <spykedtomato> and I don't have the source anymore...
[10:06] <spykedtomato> intelikey: so I can just delete the hidden dirs for programs I've uninstalled?
[10:06] <tiger> spykedtomato: I've not used f-spot, maybe it stores your pictures or something like that. Otherwise, you can delete its directory safely
[10:06] <spykedtomato> tiger: thanks
[10:06] <fareko> can anyone help me? if i just copy all contains of install CD on flash drive, will i be able to use it ti install kubuntu?
[10:07] <tiger> spykedtomato: u r welcome
[10:07] <intelikey> yes.    you can rm -r ~/.*   if you want.   it won't break the system.   but it will undo all your user configs   and gui type changes you have made.
[10:08] <intelikey> not to mention free up 15g of space and loose all data in the home
[10:08] <spykedtomato> ?
[10:08] <tiger> intelikey: such command will remove all your settings !
[10:09] <spykedtomato> how sweet of you
[10:09] <intelikey> tiger yes all of that users personal configs   that's what i said.
[10:09] <tiger> intelikey: I just wanted to warn him ;=)
[10:10] <fareko> ppl can you help me pls?
[10:10] <intelikey> fareko if it will boot,  yes.
[10:10] <fareko> ok
[10:10] <fareko> i hope it will
[10:10] <spykedtomato> tiger: one more question?
[10:10] <fareko> thx
[10:11] <intelikey> welcome
[10:11] <tiger> spykedtomato: yep, ask !
[10:11] <spykedtomato> tiger: looking at f-spot, did a locate to see where the files were, and came up with this: http://pastebin.com/d4769b1f8
[10:11] <spykedtomato> so... how the heck do I get rid of it?? lol
[10:11] <fareko> w8 i mean are the files located on CD is what makes the CD bootable?
[10:12] <fareko> not some specific "boot sector"?
[10:12] <intelikey> fareko yes there has to be a boot sector on any bootable disk
[10:12] <fareko> so how do i make my flash drive
[10:12] <fareko> bootable
[10:12] <tiger> spykedtomato: an easy way would be, to download the f-spot package that you installed, and try to configure it then install it, finally uninstall it
[10:13] <intelikey> fareko ummm grub maybe ?
[10:13] <intelikey> or lilo   or syslinux
[10:13] <fareko> oh
[10:13] <intelikey> !boot
[10:13] <ubotu> Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[10:14] <fareko> i dont have a floppy drive in my pc
[10:14] <spykedtomato> tiger: if only  I could remember which one it was... ;)
[10:14] <intelikey> the last two links might help   ^
[10:14] <intelikey> things that work on a floppy should also work on a flash drive
[10:14] <spykedtomato> tiger: it was when feisty first came out with f-spot - there was a bug in the version that didn't allow uploading to flickr
[10:14] <fareko> i guess i'll go experiment then......
[10:15] <tiger> spykedtomato: I think the version won't matter that much, try to download any f-spot and do the rest
[10:15] <spykedtomato> tiger: ok - i'll try
[10:16] <spykedtomato> tiger: do I need to install from source or could i just install with apt?
[10:16] <SatManUK> j kubuntu-offtopic#
[10:16] <SatManUK> j kubuntu-offtopic
[10:16] <intelikey> /j
[10:16] <tiger> spykedtomato: apt will install it under /usr, while from source will do it under /usr/local .. so you need to use the source
[10:17] <intelikey> cipotffo-utnubuk# j\
[10:17] <spykedtomato> ok
[10:17] <spykedtomato> thanks
[10:18] <Jucato> tiger, spykedtomato: installing from source will still install in /usr by default, unless specifically told not to
[10:18] <spykedtomato> eww
[10:18] <Jucato> rev intelikey
[10:19] <spykedtomato> Jucato: so - any idea how I can get rid of f-spot now that I'm using kubuntu?? ;)
[10:19] <tiger> it depends on the package it self
[10:19] <spykedtomato> just to be funny, f-spot.org is dead lol
[10:19] <spykedtomato> so - no source ;)
[10:19] <Jucato> tiger: hence the "unless specifically told not to"
[10:19] <Jucato> spykedtomato: unfortunately, the only idea I have was tiger's
[10:19] <tiger> then to be sure, use --prefix=/usr/local
[10:20] <intelikey> ah spykedtomato excuse me.   that package can be removed via apt.
[10:20] <posingaspopular> hey Jucato
[10:20] <spykedtomato> intelikey: nope - i tried
[10:20] <Jucato> ey posingaspopular
[10:20] <intelikey> your pastebin says it can     /var/lib/dpkg/info/f-spot.list
[10:20] <Jucato> intelikey: if installed using plain make install?
[10:20] <spykedtomato> ??
[10:20] <tiger> intelikey: no, it can't be .. it is located under /usr/local
[10:20] <posingaspopular> Jucato: i sent you a pm. ;p
[10:21] <intelikey> tiger his pastebin says that a deb package is install
[10:21] <Jucato> posingaspopular: yeah hold on.. I just got back :P
[10:21] <tiger> spykedtomato, intelikey: then try dpkg -L f-spot
[10:22] <Jucato> it could also be a residue of a previous f-spot .deb
[10:22] <Jucato> but dpkg -l should tell
[10:22] <SatManUK> i still want to know how to load the additional levels into pingus - #pingus is quiet at the moment (these are the official levels like halloween etc)
[10:22] <intelikey> Jucato true.  at any rate if a full removal is desired why not use the output of that "locate"  as an rm list ?
[10:22] <SatManUK> i completed tutorial island so many times its not fare..
[10:23] <SatManUK> Windows version loads them ok..
[10:23] <spykedtomato> ~$ dpkg -l f-spot
[10:23] <spykedtomato> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
[10:23] <spykedtomato> | Status=Not/Installed/Config-f/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/t-aWait/T-pend
[10:23] <spykedtomato> |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
[10:23] <spykedtomato> rc  f-spot         0.3.5-0ubuntu2 personal photo management application
[10:23] <intelikey> looks like a flood comming
[10:23] <Jucato> intelikey: it can. just not really comfortable
[10:24] <spykedtomato> nope - alll finished :)
[10:24] <spykedtomato> so... what does that output tell me?
[10:24] <intelikey> removed but still configured.
[10:24] <tiger> spykedtomato: try it with -L instead, which lists the files installed
[10:24] <Jucato> spykedtomato: "dpkg -l | grep spot"
[10:24] <Jucato> (please don't paste the output in here if it's too long)
[10:24] <spykedtomato> tiger: Package `f-spot' does not contain any files (!)
[10:24] <tiger> spykedtomato: omg !
 rc  f-spot      <<< ^
[10:25] <intelikey> removed but still configured.
[10:25] <Jucato> tiger: btw, it's not because things are installed in /usr/local/ that apt can't remove it.
[10:25] <spykedtomato> tiger: omg?
[10:25] <Jucato> intelikey: yep. residue :)
[10:25] <tiger> Jucato: yes, I know that but it often apt installs under /usr
[10:26] <tiger> spykedtomato: look, the easier way is to unpack your f-spot-3.0.tar.gz, configure --prefix=/usr/local, install , then uninstall
[10:26] <Jucato> apt does, but dpkg can install anywhere the .deb tells it to and still be able to remove it :)
[10:27] <tiger> Jucato: I am aware of that, but thanks anyway
[10:27] <intelikey> spykedtomato i'm going to mention a command: assuming that your pastebin was a compete list: that you could use to remove all those files,     sudo rm `locate f-spot`
[10:27] <spykedtomato> ok...
[10:27] <Jucato> you are, but maybe the others aren't :)
[10:27] <intelikey> spykedtomato use at your own risk.  ^
[10:27] <spykedtomato> intelikey: is that enough?
[10:27] <spykedtomato> my pastebin was complete...
[10:27] <intelikey> yep.
[10:28] <Jucato> emphasis on "use at your own risk"
[10:28]  * corinth 's brain just exploded due to an overload of text at ridiculously high speeds.
[10:28] <spykedtomato> and the risk is...?
[10:28]  * corinth vows to never again grab the channel list.
[10:28] <intelikey> Jucato if the list is complete that i'm looking at   there is no danger
[10:28] <intelikey>  http://pastebin.com/d4769b1f8
[10:28] <Jucato> :)
[10:28] <spykedtomato> it is complete
[10:29]  * Jucato has been staring at the list already :)
[10:29] <spykedtomato> lol
[10:30] <intelikey> corinth lol  yeah    /list is not wise here.
[10:31] <spykedtomato> umm
[10:31] <spykedtomato> did the sudo rm `locate f-spot`
[10:31] <spykedtomato> now a bunch of messages that the dirs couen't be removed
[10:31] <spykedtomato> how do I remove them?
[10:31] <intelikey> and let me guess    several  err can't rm dir     and then locate still lists the same thing
[10:32] <spykedtomato> ;)
[10:32] <intelikey> locate doesn't read the fs it reads a database that has to be updated.
[10:32] <corinth> intelikey: Would've been nice to know that before hand.
[10:32]  * corinth sticks out tongue.
[10:32] <intelikey> corinth you had but to ask  :)
[10:33] <corinth> :-P
[10:33] <spykedtomato> so.. how do I get rid of the dirs?
[10:33] <spykedtomato> or are they gone?
[10:33]  * spykedtomato does an updatedb
[10:34] <intelikey> spykedtomato you add -r   but that one i do not reccomend.   an empty dir costs extreemly little.
[10:34] <spykedtomato> k
[10:34] <spykedtomato> but it removes the stuff IN the dir, right?
[10:34] <intelikey> a broken system costs the time of a reload   and lost data could cost millions depending on what it is...
[10:34] <intelikey> right.
[10:35] <spykedtomato> thx
[10:35] <intelikey> spykedtomato i'll go ahead and list you a command that "should" get rid of the empty dirs also  and leave any full ones.         sudo rmdir `locate f-spot`
[10:36]  * tiger 'watching scrubs'
[10:36] <intelikey> safer than   sudo rm -r `locate f-spot`     which Jucato would have really freeked on.
[10:36] <spykedtomato> k - three dirs not removed
[10:36] <spykedtomato> i'll leave them
[10:36] <intelikey> yeah you should.
[10:37] <intelikey> spykedtomato now if you want to manually update the database for the locate command      sudo updatedb
[10:37] <spykedtomato> already did that ;)
[10:37] <intelikey> well then you don't need me..
[10:38] <intelikey> :)
[10:38] <spykedtomato> hehe
[10:38] <server_> hello
[10:39] <intelikey> server_
[10:41] <server_> hello
[10:42] <server_> help me on installing kubuntu
[10:43] <corinth> server_: What are you running right now?
[10:44] <server_> windows xp sp2, and i got a "bluefantasy" virus.
[10:45] <corinth> server_: Alright. Do you have the Kubuntu iso downloaded?
[10:45] <server_> but now i've already have kubuntu just came form canonical. Also with Ubuntu.
[10:46] <corinth> server_: That's good to hear. Are you going to use partitions to keep Windows XP and dual boot, or are you going to install Kubuntu over your entire machine?
[10:47] <waylandbill> server_: sounds about as exciting as a "blue screen of death" virus. Oh that's windows itself. ;-)
[10:47] <corinth> Lol.
[10:47] <corinth> server_: The real question is this - is there any part of Windows that you don't want to live without?
[10:47] <server_> OK, i've just did. Fully I used my entire disk with Kubuntu. Now my system is running after rebooting from windows. and entering Grub...
[10:48] <corinth> server_: I'm sorry, I'm about confused by your phrasing. Are you saying that you've already installed Kubuntu on your machine, over Windows?
[10:49] <waylandbill> couldn't of paritioned the entire disk and installed kubuntu that fast. It takes about 15 minutes. was it already done previously?
[10:49] <spykedtomato> hmm - i see that synaptic is still installed after my switch to kde - can i uninstall that without problems?
[10:50] <server_> Oh ... no, i used another computer, beside me is running kde, and i try to remove this one.
[10:50] <Jucato> spykedtomato: sure
[10:50] <spykedtomato> Jucato: thanks
[10:51] <intelikey> anyone ever try to setup ssh to allow passwordless login ?
[10:51] <intelikey> using key files ?
[10:52] <waylandbill> intelikey: I have. on multiple machines.
[10:52] <spykedtomato> ??
[10:52] <spykedtomato> oh crap
[10:52] <intelikey> well at any rate here's a script that might help with that.    http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=dca9a35c
[10:52] <spykedtomato> i'm running swiftfox - i want to uninstall it - adept tells me it's not installed :-/
[10:52] <intelikey> waylandbill me too.
[10:52] <spykedtomato> *sigh*
[10:53] <waylandbill> intelikey: I don't see you changing the permissions of authorized_keys to 440.
[10:53] <intelikey> spykedtomato you added kubuntu-desktop to your system ?
[10:54] <spykedtomato> intelikey: yes - and uninstalled gnome
[10:54] <spykedtomato> intelikey: i MAY have installed swiftfox when I was still using automatix
[10:54]  * spykedtomato hides
[10:55] <Agent_bob> waylandbill um   heh umask is 027 here   what is your  022 ?
[10:55] <server_> corinth:no I have 2 Computer side by side, aready running on windows with virus and the other is running live cd
[10:55] <Agent_bob> waylandbill if so i'll ammend the script.
[10:55] <corinth> server_: Alright. What exactly are you trying to do now, install Kubuntu on the infected Windows machine?
[10:56] <waylandbill> Agent_bob: with 027 umask, you'll have 640. authorized_keys needs to be 440.
[10:56] <corinth> Eh, sorry. Infected Windows machine; didn't mean to be redundant.
[10:56] <corinth> :-P
[10:57] <server_> corinth> yes and destroy all of the partitions inside,
[10:57] <Agent_bob> 640 works
[10:58] <corinth> server_: Alright, that's easy then. Just run the live cd from the Windows machine, and follow the instructions in the setup. That'll do it.
OK now i'm already in the process of installing from live cd. I'm just waiting ?
[10:58] <corinth> server_: Sounds like it.
[10:58]  * corinth gives a thumbs-up.
[10:59] <waylandbill> Agent_bob: it's not supposed to. Perhaps I'm thinking a BSD box and their ssh configuration is more strict. For security reasons, 440 would be the logical choice anyway. 640 to edit it, but 440 for everyday use.
[10:59] <Agent_bob> in fact mine are all 600     i dont' remember changing them.
 Thank you Corinth
[10:59] <Agent_bob> let me look into this.   i have used that script on a few boxes here.
[10:59] <corinth> server_: No problem :-)
[11:00] <Agent_bob> waylandbill 400 or 600 or even 640 all work.
[11:01] <Agent_bob> i think i will set the default to 400 in the script.   good call on that.
[11:01] <Agent_bob> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d7d682b22
[11:01] <Agent_bob> there    ammended.
[11:01] <waylandbill> Agent_bob: it must be a BSD thing then. No harm in setting to 400 though.
[11:02] <Agent_bob> correct.
[11:03] <Agent_bob> waylandbill glad you mentioned that.  i didn't (still dont) recall changing the perms on anything in .ssh/  but they are all  600   maybe   ssh-keygen   sets the perms ?
[11:04] <waylandbill> Agent_bob: not sure.
[11:05] <waylandbill> Agent_bob: now you also need to ammend the script to give write permission before trying to concat the key to authorized_keys.
[11:06] <Agent_bob> waylandbill heh    yeah 600 it is. then.
[11:06] <Agent_bob> that settels all the issues at one time.
[11:06] <Agent_bob> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d70a14df7
[11:07] <Agent_bob> now stop fixing what isn't broken    lol
[11:08] <waylandbill> Agent_bob: it seemed unbroken because it wasn't tested on all forms of servers. ;-)
[11:09] <waylandbill> Agent_bob: try this instead: http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=m4b611a23
[11:09] <Agent_bob> i only posted it in this channel   not like it was expected to be portable really
[11:09] <spykedtomato> I installed a program awhile ago using automatix. I have since removed automatix, the program (swiftfox) is still there. How can I remove swiftfox?
[11:10] <spykedtomato> p,s, I tried using apt-get - no go
[11:10] <corinth> spykedtomato: You'll have to reinstall automatix, uninstall swiftfox through automatix, then remove automatix again.
[11:11] <waylandbill> Agent_bob: if you're gonna do it, might as well go all the way. :)
[11:11] <spykedtomato> corinth: ok - but bleah ;)
[11:11] <Agent_bob> yeah but that requires a second entering of the password without the user being told why.   they will think something failed.
[11:11] <corinth> spykedtomato: ;-)
[11:12] <waylandbill> spykedtomato: http://getswiftfox.com/builds/installer/uninstall-swiftfox.sh
[11:13] <corinth> Hey, that'll work too. Lol.
[11:13] <spykedtomato> waylandbill: tried that - no go
[11:13] <waylandbill> Agent_bob: combine all three commands into a single set of ssh arguments.
[11:14] <spykedtomato> waylandbill - rm: cannot remove `/usr/bin/swiftfox': No such file or directory
[11:14] <waylandbill> spykedtomato: any idea how automatix installs swiftfox?
[11:15] <waylandbill> that's one reason I don't like those type of installation helpers. Later on, they end up not helping. :)
[11:16] <spykedtomato> waylandbill: nope - but I'll go with corinth's idea - yucky but necessary
[11:16] <mosno> Dolphin by _default_?
[11:16] <waylandbill> spykedtomato: I would get the script and just look at it to see what it did to install swiftfox.
[11:17] <mosno> Can I revert to a plain 3.5.x in Gutsy??
[11:17] <mosno> Or is 3.5.8 somehow melded with KDE 4.0 tech?
[11:18] <Agent_bob> waylandbill or do this   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d39ad137
[11:18] <Agent_bob> i'm finished with it.   do as you like.   delete it maybe.
[11:19] <waylandbill> lol. :)
[11:20] <waylandbill> Agent_bob: you took care of learning something new today. now you don't have to worry if you don't learn anything the rest of the day. :)
[11:21] <corinth> I'd like to learn something new today, lol.
[11:21] <blizzzek> bye
[11:21] <Agent_bob> it was really only an offer to simplify the proccess for those that either didn't know how (hoping they would look at the script, not blindly use it) or give and ide to someone that had already done that but didn't script the process themselves.
[11:22] <corinth> I'd like to learn how to get the multimedia controls on my microsoft wireless entertainment keyboard 7000 to work in Kubuntu.
[11:22] <Agent_bob> !multimedia
[11:22] <ubotu> Ubuntu 7.04 installs multimedia codecs automatically. For older versions of Ubuntu, or if you can't use the automatic installer, see https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - For multimedia applications, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultimediaApplications
[11:22] <corinth> Eh, don't think that's it ;-)
[11:23] <Agent_bob> !keyboard
[11:23] <ubotu> To switch your keyboard layout on GNOME: System -> Preferences -> Keyboard (GNOME) - KDE: K -> System Settings -> Regional & Language -> Keyboard Layout (KDE) - Xfce: see https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/xubuntu/desktopguide/C/switch-keyboard-layout.html - See also !Shortcuts
[11:23] <Agent_bob> !Shortcuts
[11:23] <ubotu> keyboard shortcuts can be set in K -> System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse. Try also "Input Actions" in KControl. If your multimedia keys don't work with that, try the 'keytouch' package, explained at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KDEMultimediaKeys - See !Keyboard for changing layouts
[11:23] <Agent_bob> that may help.
[11:23] <waylandbill> corinth: it's likely the kernel recognizes the key presses, you simply have to tell kde what to do with them. I know there's a topic onthe wiki.
[11:23] <corinth> I've tried all of that :-/
[11:24] <corinth> The most painful thing is that it works perfectly with no manual configuration in Ubuntu, not Kubuntu though.
[11:24] <waylandbill> corinth: to start with, do you know if the kernel recognizes the key presses?
[11:24] <corinth> Yep
[11:24] <Agent_bob> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KDEMultimediaKeys <-- didn't help ?
[11:25] <waylandbill> corinth: the KDEMultimediaKeys page Stage 2 should be were to go from there then
[11:25] <corinth> Tried it :-/
[11:25] <waylandbill> using DCOP messages?
[11:25] <corinth> yep
[11:26] <corinth> I've written more scripts than I can count to try to get it to work, to no avail.
[11:27] <Agent_bob> colour me ignorant,  but what is the cresent moon key on a compaq keyboard supposed to do ?    is it like another meta key ?
[11:27] <waylandbill> corinth: and you are sure the scripts are getting called? did you try putting something in the script to put something in the syslog to be sure.?
[11:27] <waylandbill> Agent_bob: sleep key.
[11:27] <Agent_bob> through bios ?
[11:28] <waylandbill> Agent_bob: maybe acpi.
[11:28] <Agent_bob> odd it does nothing in windows and in linux
[11:28] <waylandbill> Agent_bob: maybe it requires software from compaq to do anything.
[11:29] <Agent_bob> and the led in it is always lit    i checked it with showkeys and it doesnt register by it's self but with any other key that key is changed....    idk.
[11:29] <Agent_bob> probably did
[11:29] <waylandbill> Agent_bob: I always found myself accidently hitting it when I used a compaq keyboard. not that is irritating. :)
[11:29] <Agent_bob> i would say does   but aren't they history now ?
[11:30] <waylandbill> Agent_bob: no. they were bought by hp. They still support compaq models on their website.
[11:30]  * Agent_bob wonders how one accidently hist that key    far upper right corner...
[11:31] <waylandbill> I think it was in the upper left on the keyboard I had.
[11:31] <Agent_bob> oh really.    hmmm i might give a look
[11:31] <Agent_bob> could have been.
[11:31] <waylandbill> I still see compaq's sold in all the stores, so someone's running their place. :)
[11:32] <waylandbill> heck. I'm on a presario right now that's less than a year old. hehe
[11:32]  * Agent_bob doesn't shop for computers much,  never have bought one.
[11:33] <Agent_bob> i don't like to pay more for the hardware than i do for the os    or vice versa
[11:33] <Agent_bob> :)
[11:34] <waylandbill> I only bought this one cause it was on a one day sale at wal-mart. :)
[11:34] <Agent_bob> ohh sams villa
[11:35] <Agent_bob> was a good store (chain) while the man lived,  went to the dogs after that
[11:36] <Agent_bob> they have wal-mart in rochester now ?
[11:37] <waylandbill> I think they have 5 or 6. I haven't been to rochester for a long time.
[11:37] <Agent_bob> you in the city or upstate ?
[11:38] <Agent_bob> er that may be to personal.  disreguard.
[11:38] <waylandbill> Agent_bob: I'm upstate but near the PA border.
[11:38] <Agent_bob> ah that's why.  ok.
[11:40] <Agent_bob> well before i make the ircops mad again.   i think i'll take my OT to another network
[11:40] <Agent_bob> shalom waylandbill   and anyone that happened to be lurking.
[11:41] <waylandbill> take it easy.
[11:44] <lena> #kubuntu-es
[11:57] <leileilol> ARGH
[11:57] <leileilol> i'm not seeing my ntfs partitions anymore :((
[11:58] <Minnozz> Hi, I have a problem with screen. `screen -x user/sessionname` gives the error known from the 'suid sudo'-bug, which is fixed according to a support site. Is it correct that this fix isn't included in the repositories yet?
[11:58] <leileilol> and /media/hda1 is all blank ":(
[11:58] <waylandbill> leileilol: how do you usually 'see' it? is it in your /etc/fstab ?
[12:00] <leileilol> file managers
[12:00] <leileilol> shells
[12:00] <leileilol> :(
[12:04] <waylandbill> leileilol: ok. you can 'sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda' to see if the partition is there. you can use 'mount' to see if the partition is mounted on say /windows or some other location.
[12:05] <leileilol> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/2377/ my fstab
[12:06] <waylandbill> ok. what does mount say?
[12:06] <leileilol> Mount is denied because NTFS is marked to be in use. Choose one action
[12:07] <leileilol> i do have windows, am unsure about using Force
[12:07] <waylandbill> no. I mean in a konsole, enter the mount command
[12:07] <leileilol> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/2378/
[12:07] <bump> hiya is anyone able to help me with a printer problem?
[12:08] <waylandbill> leileilol: mount doesn't show any of them as being currently mounted. You can try to mount one manually from the command line.
[12:09] <bump> since upgrading to gusty my printers not been working in the print manager on the jobs list it prossesses then the state goes to "held"
[12:09] <leileilol> i'll try rebooting into windows and 'safely remove'
[12:10] <waylandbill> bump: have you tried adding a new (second) copy of the printer?
[12:10] <Minnozz> what happens if I install screen from a .deb file (it is preinstalled, ofcourse)?
[12:10] <bump> over the past 2 weeks ive taken the whole cups system apart and put it back together again and i still get the same problem
[12:11] <bump> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3865770#post3865770
[12:12] <bump> any idea waylandbill?
[12:17] <waylandbill> bump: my guess is there is an error logged somewhere. maybe in the cups logs in /var/log
[12:18] <bazzieb> hey there, when i use swat and i click on any of the options to change the config, i get "404 File not found". Any suggestions??
[12:18] <bump> waylandbill: what log should i post
[12:18] <kaankee> #adempiere
[12:20] <kaankee> any installation guide for adempiere in kubuntu on net??
[12:21] <ere4si> kaankee: try /j #adempiere
[12:22] <bump> waylandbill: ive posted the cups error log on this link - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3865850#post3865850
[12:23] <bazzieb> hey there, when i use swat and i click on any of the options to change the config, i get "404 File not found". Any suggestions??
[12:25] <waylandbill> bump: cups is getting permission denied when opening the parallel port device.
[12:26] <d-alone> привет
[12:26] <bump> waylandbill: the printers on a usb port
[12:27] <d-alone> Could anybody help me ?
[12:27] <ere4si> !ask
[12:27] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)