[00:09] <campee> how can i get the dock at the bottom of the screen to not auto-hide?
[01:32] <nerdistmonk> can someone help, i just updated to pulseaudio 2.0 on xubuntu 12.04 and ive lost sound
[01:41] <Unit193> Dang, just pulled up a very handdy link too. :(
[01:41] <genii-around> Perhaps post it anyways for educational purposes.
[03:53] <quentin_> hello, I need help with MyPaint, I really like the program and it works well on my UbuntuStudio, but in Xbuntu 12.04 It works but only as long as I keep my cursor on the canvas, as soon as It touches any thing but it stops drawing, every thing else works but it just does not draw.
[03:54] <quentin_> this is an issue because I often wish to change brushes but this limits me to one.
[03:55] <quentin_> I am running on a rather old toshiba laptop using a default Hp lazer mouse.
[03:58] <holstein> quentin_: i would launch it from the terminal and see if you see any messages that help
[03:59] <holstein> i would probably look for a newer version and try it
[04:00] <quentin_> ok what would I type in terminal?
[04:00] <holstein> quentin_: i would start with mypaint
[04:00] <holstein> you can type my and hit tab... see what comes up
[04:01] <quentin_> well now I feel silly for asking
[04:01] <quentin_> Ignoring "USB Optical Mouse" (probably a mouse, but it reports extra axes) device change: Core Pointer <enum GDK_SOURCE_MOUSE of type GdkInputSource>
[04:03] <holstein> thats probably something for the bug report... are you using the latest from http://mypaint.intilinux.com/
[04:08] <quentin_> yup just reinstalled nothing, I guess but report.
[04:08] <holstein> quentin_: bug*
[04:09] <holstein> you can try an older version... you can try the windows version in wine
[04:09] <holstein> you can take this opportunity to file a bug report and start using GIMP
[04:16] <quentin_> I have gimp but MyPaint is ideal for me, gimp is just for correcting my mistakes.
[04:17] <holstein> gimp is, and likely always will be well developed
[04:17] <holstein> use what works for you... im just saying, it is the tool we have that is well developed
[04:27] <Azelphur> I installed this theme http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/AdwaitaWolfe?content=143354 and most things are unthemed, any ideas?
[04:28] <Unit193> It's because you need one that supports GTK3 as well.
[04:28] <laite> Unit193: that theme seems to have gtk3-configs in it
[04:28] <Azelphur> indeed, that theme is categorised as a gtk 3 theme
[04:29] <Azelphur> stuff that is themed: file-roller, gnome system monitor. Stuff that isn't: Pidgin, thunar
[04:29] <Azelphur> some examples \o/
[04:29] <Azelphur> I dunno actually, in pidgin and thunar the menu bars are themed, but everything else seems not to be
[04:30] <Azelphur> I'll try a different theme, maybe it's just that theme
[04:31] <Unit193> That theme didn't have xfwm and such in it though.
[04:32] <Azelphur> ah
[04:32] <Azelphur> Unit193: I'm using compiz instead of xf4wm
[04:34] <Azelphur> yea, same issue with another gtk3 theme I downloaded
[04:34] <Unit193> Shimmer always worked best for me, but there was another that wasn't bad.
[04:34] <Unit193> "Zukitwo"
[04:35] <Azelphur> hehe, got a link to shimmer?
[04:36] <Unit193> http://shimmerproject.org/
[04:36] <Unit193> They are the default ones, and one that isn't ready yet but I use. :P
[04:36] <Azelphur> fun
[04:37] <Unit193> I "need" a dark theme, so Blackbird turned out well, even though it's not quite ready.
[04:40] <Azelphur> I'm even worse, I "need" a theme that has totally black backgrounds, ie #000, not grey :)
[04:43] <Azelphur> Unit193: do you mean greybird?
[04:44] <Unit193> That's not a bad theme, but no.
[04:44] <Azelphur> where's blackbird at? :)
[04:44] <Unit193> Their github page.
[04:45] <Azelphur> cool, ty
[04:46] <Unit193> Note, it's not done and a few things are off, or black on black.
[04:48] <Azelphur> haha, blackbird has exactly the same issue as the dark them I tried first
[04:48] <Azelphur> lots of white everywhere :(
[04:51] <Unit193> Weird, I have full black.  Seems like a compiz thing then.
[04:51] <Azelphur> maybe, Atolm-gtk3 works
[08:46] <MordFustang> sup
[09:34] <xubuntu953> hello there
[09:47] <Joshun> hi
[09:48] <Joshun> does anybody know how to disable the annoying 'Enter your password' prompt that pops up in google chrome because of gnome keyring
[09:51] <Joshun> oh solved it by making a custom bash alias
[12:26] <craigbass1976> Is there a way to get rid of Recently Used every time I hit Open in an app's file menu?  Is this XFCE or the apps I'm using?
[12:58] <mlpokn> hey
[12:58] <mlpokn> I cannot install flash through Flash-Aid on Xubuntu
[12:58] <mlpokn> libflashplayer.so
[12:58] <mlpokn> [sudo] password for fdsdaa:
[12:58] <mlpokn> mv: cannot move `libflashplayer.so' to `/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/': No such file or directory
[13:13] <Nino> Hello,what does this information in synaptic means? It shows sometimes when i install packages  in synaptic(when everything installed this shows in synaptic console-log at bottom but not every time ) : W: Waited for dpkg --assert-multi-arch but it wasn't there - dpkgGo (10: No child processes)
[13:18] <craigbass1976> I don't know Nino, but I've noticed the GUI package manager farting out more lately and just to a apt-get update and apt-get upgrade, which seems to go better for some reason.
[13:18] <craigbass1976> and just DO a, not just TO a.  SOrry
[13:21] <Nino> @craigbass1976  I agree,it is best way t install by apt-get update trough console... But funny thing is that everything installs normal trough synaptic also,but sometimes randomly this bug or information just reveal it self at the end of line in synaptic console :)
[13:22] <craigbass1976> No idea.  Just smile and say "Well, it could be Windows..."  :)
[13:23] <Nino> Lol... :)
[14:36] <blackgatocatnegr> Hello, Is there a "Advice before upgrading" faq somewhere?
[16:00] <chestwood96> hi
[16:01] <chestwood96> who can i ask questions?
[16:01] <genii-around> The channel in general
[16:01] <chestwood96> can ayone read me?
[16:01] <shpank> no.
[16:01] <chestwood96> what do you mean whit heneral?
[16:01] <chestwood96> general sorry
[16:02] <genii-around> chestwood96: Yes. Best to just ask whatever your question is. Then if someone knows, they will guide you.
[16:03] <chestwood96> ok im trying to setup xubuntu on a very old pc an the problem is during boot the screen doesnt get any signal anymore
[16:03] <chestwood96> im swiss so sorry for my english
[16:04] <chestwood96> any idea what the problem is or do you need more infos?
[16:05] <chestwood96> the pc is realy old it has a 750mhz prozessor
[16:06] <chestwood96> no sugestions?
[16:07] <TheMaster> This is booting from the LiveCD?
[16:08] <chestwood96> yes the cd ive burned from that iso i downloaded
[16:09] <chestwood96> the computer seems to be working i just kant see anything
[16:09] <TheMaster> Think it'd be good to try one of the other boot options.
[16:09] <TheMaster> !bootoptions
[16:10] <chestwood96> how should i doo that it boots from the cd then there is a loadescreen and then no signal
[16:12] <chestwood96> i dont realy understand that
[16:18] <TheMaster> When/before it starts booting, hold the shift key and you should get the chance to set those, will have the info at the bottom of the scree.
[16:26] <chestwood96> sorry the internet crashed
[16:27] <chestwood96> an external cd drive caused the same problem
[16:28] <chestwood96> did you have any soloutions i missed?
[16:28] <holstein> chestwood96: personally, when i am in your situation, and feel arguably "underskilled", i try live CD's.. i try the LTS releases.. ubuntu 10.04 and 12.04
[16:28] <holstein> chestwood96: its likely that nomodeset will help for you.. you need to press shift when booting, and F6 will give you the option to add "nomodeset"
[16:28] <holstein> get a live CD booting live, then go from there :)
[16:29] <chestwood96> ok thanks ill try
[16:29] <TheMaster> Or just go with an alternate, but it's nice to know that it works beforehand.
[16:29] <chestwood96> alternative?
[16:30] <bazhang> !alternate | chestwood96
[16:32] <chestwood96> ok
[16:32] <chestwood96> looks good lets see if it works thanks anyway
[16:34] <SandJ> chestwood96 - do you have a video output on the motherboard and another video output from a graphics card?  If so, when the screen disappears, plug the monitor into the other socket.  (I had that problem.)
[16:36] <chestwood96> i just have one display port
[16:38] <chestwood96> its just a tiny industrial pc
[16:39] <Sandro_> hello
[16:39] <chestwood96> hi
[16:40] <Sandro_> i'm looking for some help since no one respond to me on #ubuntu i came here :)
[16:40] <SandJ> What's the problem, Sandro_
[16:40] <Sandro_> My Amazon server has an issue with 100% inode, >>> we are looking to supress a directory which contain thousand of files in it ... but rm-rf * doesn't respond atm
[16:41] <Sandro_> what could i do ?
[16:41] <chestwood96> nomode didnt work ill try the alternativ
[16:41] <Sandro_> we are running on an Ubuntu dsitrib
[16:45] <SandJ> Does the "rm -rf *" go away and not come back, or come back straight away?
[16:46] <Sandro_> nothing
[16:46] <SandJ> What do you mean by "nothing"?
[16:46] <Sandro_> it just doesn't respond ... and ctrl+c respond instantly
[16:47] <Sandro_> we waited about 1hour straight  the command just doesn't come back
[16:47] <SandJ> Do you have thousands and thousands of files on there?
[16:47] <Sandro_> yes
[16:47] <TheMaster> Try rm -rfv see if you have any output.
[16:47] <Sandro_> Huge news +Portal
[16:48] <TheMaster> And SandJ is hinting that it would take a while the more files you have.
[16:48] <Sandro_> yeah we know about that :/ that is why we are looking for a dirrent way to supress the content
[16:48] <Sandro_> rm -rfv does respond but doesn't do anything
[16:50] <Sandro_> we are currently creating an other volume  in case we don't find any solutions... but it's quite a pain in the ass :'(
[16:50] <TheMaster> "does respond but doesn't do anything"?
[16:50] <TheMaster> And using Xubuntu on a server isn't really the best idea.
[16:51] <Sandro_> like i said earlier we are not on xubuntu but since no one respond on the other IRC chann i came here :)
[16:52] <TheMaster> Best bet would be to try #ubuntu-server, ask, then wait a bit.
[16:52] <SandJ> I last saw this problem some years ago on a HP-UX Unix box that had a stupid huge number of files.  Deleting the files in batches was the solution, e.g. rm a*   rm b*   rm c*   and so on, such that each rm command only deleted a few hundred files at a time.
[16:53] <SandJ> Do you want the entire file system wiped, because that would be very quick.  :-)
[16:53] <Sandro_> we tried this also >> dind't work
[16:53] <SandJ> Also, how about copying off the files you want to keep, then recreating the file system?
[16:53] <Sandro_> we are currently doing this ^^
[16:56] <SandJ> So what does   rm -rv *   do?  Does it come straight back to the command prompt, or does it list files, or does it seem to do nothing and you have to do a ^C?
[16:58] <Sandro_> it seems to do nothing
[17:03] <SandJ> I wonder if this would work any better:     find . -exec rm {} \;
[17:04] <SandJ> Or:    find . -exec rm -v {} \;
[17:06] <Sandro_> Thx for your help ^^but our team leader decided to stop this non sense and just focus on the creation of  a new file system :/
[17:07] <Sandro_> it has been a pleasure and again thx for your answers
[17:14] <SandJ> It's a shame he went.  I just created 300,000 random files and worked out rm would appear to do nothing while this command would work a treat:    find . -exec rm {} \;
[17:17] <SandJ> If only he'd waited another few hours on his rm command, he would have been rewarded with 'bash: /bin/rm: Argument list too long'
[17:46] <drc> no xubuntu alpha this time?
[17:47] <bazhang> drc, #ubuntu+1 for 12.10 , if that's what you mean
[17:47] <drc> that's what I meant, but don't need help, just wondering why no alpha?
[17:48] <TheMaster> drc: No there isn't, not enough testing.
[17:48] <drc> Sounds like a good reason to me.
[17:49] <bazhang> there's the daily build
[17:49] <drc> wait...does that mean not enough testing was dome to warrent an alpha, or not enough changes that need testing to warrent an alpha?
[17:50] <TheMaster> bazhang: No there isn't, not of live. ;)
[17:50] <TheMaster> drc: Not enough testers, if I understood.
[17:51] <bazhang> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/
[17:53] <TheMaster> Weird, last I checked one arch was missing on one of the CDs.
[18:01] <Liole> hey all. have anybody of you have resolution problems?
[18:24] <chestwood96> it kinda fails still
[18:59] <Zoohouse> superuser: You made it. haha
[19:01] <superuser> i cant find the package gmount-iso , do i need to add a repo?
[19:02] <superuser> Zoohouse, i cant find the package gmount-iso , do i need to add a repo?
[19:02] <Zoohouse> i know I saw the question. hold on
[19:03] <linuxshine> hello I am trying to create a launcher to launch the TerminalEmulator as root i have tried [gksu | gksudo | ktsuss] exo-open --launch TerminalEmulator and none of them worked someone over at #xfce said TerminalEmulator  might not be defined for root dose anyone have knowledge of getting this to work?
[19:03] <Zoohouse> superuser: sudo apt-get install gmountiso
[19:04] <superuser> E: Unable to locate package Gmount-iso
[19:04] <pleia2> superuser: no dash, just gmountiso
[19:05] <genii-around> Also all lowercase
[19:05] <superuser> alright im trying it
[19:06] <superuser> E: Unable to locate package gmountiso     :(
[19:06] <genii-around> !info gmountiso
[19:07] <superuser> is it a repo problem then?
[19:07] <Zoohouse> it may be in the universe
[19:07] <genii-around> superuser: Did you do first: sudo apt-get update
[19:08] <genii-around> Also, yes, you might not have universe repository enabled...
[19:08] <superuser> updateing..
[19:09] <superuser> yes after update same error
[19:10] <pleia2> linuxshine: I don't know if "exo-open" can do things as grandular as opening as a specific user, you might just need to use "gksudo xfterm4" (rather than having the benefit of the default TerminalEmulator)
[19:10] <Zoohouse> superuser: Here's an old explanation on how to enable the universe. http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-enable-the-universe-and-multiverse-repositories-in-ubuntu-804-hardy.html
[19:11] <superuser> kk
[19:12] <Zoohouse> superuser: basicly open synaptic, sudo synaptic, then settings > repositories and make sure universe and multiverse are checked
[19:13] <linuxshine> pleia2 thanks I kinda figured that was the way things were pointing
[19:13] <Zoohouse> superuser: if you are curious about what the universe and multiverse are, read this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu
[19:15] <superuser> i dont have ether of thoes apt lines in my list
[19:16] <Zoohouse> superuser: look at the picture from here: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-enable-the-universe-and-multiverse-repositories-in-ubuntu-804-hardy.html
[19:16] <Zoohouse> you need to check off where the person drew with a red circle
[19:17] <Zoohouse> superuser: Here's another explanation http://linux.about.com/od/xubuntu_doc/a/xubudg13t05.htm
[19:18] <superuser> i dont have that gui to do that, but "sources.list file"  dosent show any mutiverse or universe reops
[19:19] <Zoohouse> superuser: did you see the second link i sent?
[19:19] <genii-around> superuser: What says the result of: head -n1 /etc/apt/sources.list
[19:20] <genii-around> ( I wonder if cdrom only is enabled)
[19:24]  * Zoohouse wonders what may have happed to superuser
[19:25] <superuser> http://pastebin.com/1jC8bfqA
[19:25] <superuser> sorry took a bit
[19:28] <superuser> http://pastebin.com/1jC8bfqA   theres no mulitverse apt line
[19:29] <Zoohouse> # deb http://packages.crunchbang.org/statler-mm squeeze main non-free Whats this?
[19:29] <Zoohouse> this repo is commented out..
[19:29] <superuser> its the things that are not free to download
[19:30] <superuser> i need the apt line for the multiverse
[19:30] <superuser> whats yours? lol
[19:31] <Zoohouse> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hardy universe
[19:31] <superuser> hey, thanks bud
[19:31] <Zoohouse> superuser: Here's the explanation https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/CommandLine
[19:31] <Zoohouse> superuser: I'm not running xubuntu
[19:32] <Zoohouse> You also need deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hardy-updates universe
[19:32] <Zoohouse> replace hardy with the release name or version of your distribution.
[19:33] <superuser> hey gmount is working
[19:34] <superuser> yeah ill add that one too
[19:34] <Zoohouse> superuser: yup, it's in the universe repo
[19:36] <superuser> well i installed it but now it wont start :/
[20:29] <zenguy_vm2> a friend of mines has an issue whit accessing an external drive a have ssh accesss to a user name ccreated for me but my user name can't access the external..
[20:29] <zenguy_vm2> how do i fix this?
[20:29] <zenguy_vm2> i have sudo access too
[20:29] <zenguy_vm2> sudo mc works but regualr user doesn't
[23:21] <martinphone> ?


[04:42] <nenelinux> hi to all
[16:57] <tethridge> anybody here that helps organize developer week?
[17:16] <pleia2> tethridge: you'll want to talk to james_w
[17:17] <tethridge> james_w, ping
[17:17] <tethridge> pleia2, I'm just wondering if any thought had been given to using something like dimdim.com for the sessions
[17:17] <tethridge> they claim open source roots
[17:17] <tethridge> I'm sure that a deal could be worked out, because it would be a good source of advertising
[17:18] <tethridge> the overall experience would be a lot better for the users
[17:18] <tethridge> I'm just curious
[17:18] <pleia2> tethridge: not sure - it's fundamentally an irc-based project at the moment, and having additional (especially proprietary, no included in ubuntu) applications required for sessions increases the barrier for entry
[17:19] <pleia2> also it looks like this product only is free for up to 20 users at a time?
[17:20] <tethridge> from what I can tell yeah, but like I said, I bet that something could be worked out since it would be great advertising for them
[17:20] <tethridge> they may allow us to use it for free
[17:20] <tethridge> I don't think it requires anything major to get it going on ubuntu
[17:21] <tethridge> I've done a lot of web training and being about to watch a demo and chat usually helps
[17:21] <tethridge> then adding voice would help a lot
[17:22] <pleia2> I think it's too late to implement something like this for developer week, but you're welcome to email the -classroom mailing list with some thoughts :)
[17:22] <tethridge> where is that mailing list?
[17:22] <tethridge> is there a mailman signup somewhere?
[17:23] <james_w> hi tethridge
[17:23] <pleia2> tethridge: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-classroom
[17:24] <james_w> hey pleia2, how are you?
[17:24] <pleia2> james_w: good good, been very busy :) you?
[17:25] <james_w> good thanks. Feature freeze meant it's been pretty hectic the last few days, but I can take a breather and catch up now
[17:26]  * pleia2 nods


[05:36] <Kilos> oh my
[05:36] <Kilos> morning you lonely few
[06:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning peoples
[06:10] <theblazehen> hi Kilos, ThatGraemeGuy
[06:10] <theblazehen> http://www.archdaily.com/9257/pionen-%E2%80%93-white-mountain-albert-france-lanord-architects/ that datacenter...
[06:12] <Kilos> hi theblazehen ThatGraemeGuy
[06:24] <Kilos> i could live there
[06:31] <Kilos> hi Private_User
[06:33] <Private_User> hi Kilos
[06:41] <theblazehen> Kilos: heh, that's what I was thinking..
[06:42] <Kilos> why the big push to get everything in the cloud
[06:42] <Kilos> http://www.ubuntu.com/cloud/tools/snappy
[06:43] <Kilos> Maaz: define KVM
[06:43] <Maaz> Kilos: KVM Keyboard, Video, Mouse , KVM Kilobyte Virtual Machine (Java, Sun, MIDP)
[06:44] <theblazehen> yeah, I also dislike it myself... The transactionally updated thing is nice
[06:44] <theblazehen> Maaz: Bad Maaz!
[06:44] <Maaz> theblazehen: *blink*
[06:44] <Kilos> so what is that snappy thing actually
[06:44] <Kilos> a virtual machine?
[06:45] <theblazehen> Kilos: basically if power goes out, or anything bad happens, during an update, then system will be back to how it was before the update
[06:45] <theblazehen> And KVM: "KVM (for Kernel-based Virtual Machine) is a full virtualization solution for Linux on x86 hardware"
[06:46] <Kilos> so it similar to virtualbox?
[06:46] <theblazehen> yeah
[06:46] <Kilos> ty
[06:46] <theblazehen> So you can try out snappy in a VM then
[06:47] <Kilos> but its only 100m so it cant have much
[06:47] <Kilos> no gui etc
[06:47] <theblazehen> yeah, of course
[06:47] <theblazehen> TIL CRT's make xrays..
[06:47] <Kilos> so like a server nearly
[06:48] <theblazehen> the VM is probably a server VM, but this thing will work for all of ubuntu
[06:48] <theblazehen> So that's why my CRT says "Low Radiation"... :/
[06:49] <Kilos> but whats the point if you can just install a full os here then
[06:50] <Kilos> i miss where things are going and for what reason
[06:50] <theblazehen> It's just for people to test it now, without needing to do it on their main ubuntu, as it may still have bugs that could break everything
[06:54] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[06:55] <theblazehen> hi Squirm
[07:04] <theblazehen> Disadvantages of tiling WM's: I have 18 workspaces, and I lost track of which browser windows s on which workspace
[07:10] <Kilos> lol
[07:11] <Kilos> thats why i use 10 workspaces on pc pc then each one can have a pile of stuff on it
[07:12] <theblazehen> Yeah
[07:12] <theblazehen> My 18 all have a bunch of stuff on..
[07:12] <Kilos> i open certain apps in same place everytime so the switcher makes it easier to remember
[07:12] <theblazehen> ah, yeah
[07:12] <theblazehen> You run kde now, right?
[07:12] <Kilos> becomes habit
[07:12] <Kilos> ya
[07:13] <theblazehen> You try 5?
[07:13] <Kilos> and unity and elementaryos
[07:13] <theblazehen> ah
[07:13] <Kilos> have found how to get to the extra workspaces on elementary yet but saw that it has 9 by default
[07:13] <theblazehen> kk
[07:13] <Kilos> whats 5?
[07:14] <theblazehen> kde 5
[07:14] <Kilos> i just have what came with 14.04
[07:14] <theblazehen> kk. http://askubuntu.com/questions/492599/how-to-install-and-test-kde-plasma-5-on-ubuntu-14-04 if you wanna test. Will use lots of data :(
[07:14] <theblazehen> But looks really nice
[07:14] <Kilos> and it seems unbreakable so far
[07:15] <theblazehen> yeah
[07:16] <Kilos> how much is lots of data?
[07:16] <Kilos> the whole gui?
[07:16] <theblazehen> few hundred mb? yeah
[07:17] <Kilos> i might try it on another drive with night surfer if i can stay awake so late
[07:17] <theblazehen> kk
[07:18] <theblazehen> maybe script it? eg. http://linux.die.net/man/1/at and the sudo apt-get update
[07:18] <theblazehen> I mean install
[07:18] <Kilos> i have kde on another 1TB drive that i cant use the first 50g
[07:18] <theblazehen> ah
[07:19] <Kilos> it seems stable so far. kde is very strong
[07:19] <theblazehen> yeah
[07:20] <Kilos> elementary is hard work for me though
[07:20] <Kilos> no desktop
[07:20] <theblazehen> why?
[07:20] <theblazehen> ah
[07:20] <Kilos> i like to see things
[07:20] <theblazehen> yeah
[07:21] <Kilos> now i have to rsync to Documents and then work from there
[07:21] <theblazehen> ya
[07:21] <Kilos> weird without a desktop
[07:21] <theblazehen> yeah
[07:21] <Kilos> but looks nice and clean'
[07:22] <Kilos> morning superfly inetpro
[07:22] <theblazehen> ya, I also liked it when I had it
[07:22] <theblazehen> but then it broke
[07:23] <Kilos> i have it on an old drive, and need to recover now and again
[07:23] <theblazehen> ai
[07:23] <Kilos> must be some badblocks
[07:24] <theblazehen> yeah
[07:24] <theblazehen> https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/precise/gsmartcontrol/ might want to check it's stats with this
[07:25] <theblazehen> See how close it is to dying
[07:25] <Kilos> ty lemme look
[07:25] <Kilos> disk utility says it has a few bad sectors but is ok otherwise
[07:26] <theblazehen> ah
[07:27] <Kilos> i have commands to check and mark badblocks then fsck adds other bad blocks in memory and doesnt use them
[07:27] <theblazehen> ah
[07:27] <Kilos> raining hard now
[07:28]  * Kilos waits for power to go
[07:29]  * Kilos making microwave baked potato for breakfast
[08:02] <Kilos> ai!
[08:02] <Kilos> pro gone again
[08:02] <Kilos> and the other 2 havent even appeared today
[08:07] <charl> good morning
[08:07] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[08:07]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[08:07] <Kilos> hi charl
[08:08] <Kilos> Maaz: coffee please
[08:08] <Maaz> Kilos: Sure
[08:11] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos!
[08:11] <Kilos> Maaz: thanks man
[08:11] <Maaz> Kilos It gives me great pleasure to serve a bunch of geeks :-)
[08:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> how do you know Maaz is a man
[08:17] <Kilos> Maaz: are you female
[08:17] <Maaz> Come on, be realistic. I'm a Bot
[08:17] <Kilos> lol
[08:17] <Kilos> Maaz: are you male
[08:17] <Maaz> No. Us Bots are above that human failing
[08:18] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[08:18] <Maaz> charl: Sure
[08:18] <charl> Kilos: hi
[08:25] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy: would you host an ibid there for us?
[08:25] <Kilos> could you
[08:25] <Kilos> pretty please
[08:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> eh?
[08:45] <plustwo> o/ hi all
[08:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo
[08:47] <Kilos> wb plustwo inetpro
[08:47] <Kilos> julle sukkel ne
[08:48] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy: same bot as Maaz but upgraded version
[08:48] <plustwo> eish, not sure what's causing it now Oom
[08:48] <Kilos> busy being sorted now
[08:49] <Kilos> plustwo: i see mzo isnt back yet
[08:50] <plustwo> i thik he's checking the coordinates of ubuntu-za somehow... lost soul
[08:51] <plustwo> s/thik/think
[08:51] <Kilos> lol
[08:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> what's wrong with maaz?
[08:54] <Kilos> the other one is a standby for here and full time in my channel. not easy to get hold of the crash kid to get permissions sorted for maaz when we change chairs etc
[08:54] <Kilos> maaz is in germany
[08:55] <Kilos> and his boss in silicon valley
[08:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> ah
[09:07] <Kilos> hi bduk
[09:08] <bduk> More Kilos  and others
[09:13] <charl> whow there is a lot of awesome being released right now
[09:13] <charl> looking at pivotal and mesosphere
[09:14] <charl> vmware is also getting in on it now
[09:16] <Kilos> ai!
[09:34] <charl> government internet
[10:05] <Kilos> morning gremble
[10:09] <Kilos> hmm... actually afternoon
[10:20] <Kilos> hi CuttingEdge
[10:20] <CuttingEdge> greetings
[10:20] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[10:58] <Kilos> hi drussell how things there? we ok methinks
[10:58] <Kilos> re-verification next tuesday night
[11:01] <gremble> Hey Kilos
[11:01] <gremble> he CuttingEdge
[11:02] <CuttingEdge> gremble: hey
[11:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> :-o
[11:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> Surely there aren'
[11:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> Surely there aren's 2 people who go by "CuttingEdge"? :-D
[11:11]  * ThatGraemeGuy carn't spel
[11:11] <CuttingEdge> ThatGraemeGuy: dude!
[11:11] <CuttingEdge> how goes ?
[11:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> can't complain thanks, you?
[11:24] <superfly> CuttingEdge: hello!
[11:25] <CuttingEdge> ThatGraemeGuy: all good this end too .. just waiting on the december holidays now
[11:25] <CuttingEdge> superfly: yo! :P
[11:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> holidays? what's that?
[11:27] <CuttingEdge> lol
[11:28] <CuttingEdge> well, my previous job/position made it impossible to take leave .. used to phone/email me each day, numerous times
[11:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> the fact that I used up all my leave during the leave makes it impossible to take leave
[11:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> :-)
[11:28] <CuttingEdge> lol
[11:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> but I'm not one for travelling in Dec/Jan and taking leave just to stay home doesn't really work for me
[11:29] <CuttingEdge> i normally miss the holiday rush myself .. normally hang onto my leave days for off-peak periods
[11:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> you play minetest?
[11:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> could use another addict :-D
[11:35] <gremble> Can I play? :o
[11:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> probably, it isn't rocket science :P
[11:35] <CuttingEdge> haven't tried it yet
[11:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> I don't play on our local server anymore though, everyone kinda moved on so I moved to a busier place
[11:37] <superfly> ThatGraemeGuy: which server are you on? I'll probably pop in from time to time
[11:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> VanessaE's survival server, digitalaudioconcepts.com port 30001
[11:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> there's some space around my place you can be my neighbour ;-p
[11:42] <superfly> haha
[11:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> you sometimes have low FPS around the spawn area because there are a ton of signs and those are apparently done in a hackish inefficient way, but once you move away from there its normal
[11:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> and very rarely laggy at all, even on crappy 3G
[11:46] <theblazehen> hi CuttingEdge
[11:46] <theblazehen> Kilos: I could host it, I guess.. (the ibid)
[11:49] <Kilos> theblazehen: at home?
[11:50] <theblazehen> Kilos: nah, on a virtual sevrer
[11:50] <theblazehen> server*
[11:50] <Kilos> and where is that?
[11:50] <theblazehen> Kilos: new york
[11:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> i don't know what an ibid is
[11:51] <Kilos> ibid is a python bot
[11:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> ah
[11:51] <Kilos> written by the crash kid , the weed and a few others
[11:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> back in my day we used eggdrop
[11:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> is eggdrop even around? :-/
[11:52] <charl> i'm a botmaster on an eggdrop botnet
[11:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> mmm sort of but not really
[11:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> last release 3 years ago
[11:52] <theblazehen> I tried to use eggdrop once..
[11:52] <theblazehen> like 6 months ago
[11:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> although eggdrop is likely pretty stable by now and IRC doesn't really change
[11:52] <charl> well it's still around nevertheless :P
[11:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> I wrote a trivia game for eggdrop way back when
[11:52] <Kilos> methinks ibid were written for this kinda channel with meetings and tech stuff and so on
[11:53] <charl> precisely, look at how frequently irssi gets updated :P
[11:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> and that other thing as well... CuttingEdge will know, I can't remember
[11:53] <charl> there was energymech too
[11:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> no there wasn't there was only eggdrop
[11:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> go away with your blasphemous lies
[11:53] <charl> when ?
[11:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> :-p
[11:53] <charl> :D
[11:53] <Kilos> haha
[11:53] <charl> ja rite :P
[11:54] <CuttingEdge> i moved away from eggdrop many years ago
[11:54] <CuttingEdge> i do all my own stuff from scratch using PHP :P
[11:54] <theblazehen> CuttingEdge: even IRC stuff?
[11:54] <CuttingEdge> ThatGraemeGuy: i even wrote a trivia bot, with a mysql backend, that looks similar to your eggdrop variant
[11:54] <charl> ah you do PreHistoric Programming... :P
[11:54] <CuttingEdge> (but with more functionality, since i'm no TCL fan)
[11:55] <CuttingEdge> theblazehen: yeah, even IRC stuff
[11:55] <CuttingEdge> charl: oh shoosh .. PHP rocks :P
[11:55] <theblazehen> CuttingEdge: ouch
[11:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> I can python, but I can't admin a bot
[11:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> mainly due to my laziness
[11:55] <charl> have any of you taken a look at williebot
[11:55] <Kilos> i will admin
[11:55] <charl> also python based, quite nice
[11:56] <charl> i don't run it myself but i use it on a bunch of channels
[11:58] <Kilos> theblazehen: are you pushing gremble  to get ibid going with python3
[11:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> CuttingEdge: I still have that trivia script
[11:58] <theblazehen> Kilos: not yet.
[11:58] <Kilos> push push
[11:59] <Kilos> dont grumble gremble  just fix it
[12:00] <CuttingEdge> ThatGraemeGuy: it was pretty good in its day .. still one of the more/most popular eggdrop trivia scripts around
[12:01] <charl> eggdrops are bloated though and hard to configure
[12:01] <CuttingEdge> the one i wrote, initially just emulated yours
[12:01] <charl> *when* it works properly it works but up until that point it's lots of pain and frustration
[12:01] <CuttingEdge> charl: i didn't mind eggdrop too much, it was just TCL that drove me nuts
[12:01] <charl> tcl is crap indeed, i can remember it
[12:01] <charl> used to do some tcp scripting 10 years ago
[12:01] <charl> *tcl
[12:02] <charl> but you can do fancy things like let the bots communicate with each other over the botnet
[12:02] <charl> let them coordinate things etc, very cool stuff for way back then
[12:02] <gremble> Kilos: I am working on getting the braai thing implemented first, after that python3
[12:03] <Kilos> good man, keep up the good work
[12:03] <Kilos> ill look around here i have a greeter script for the bot that also need tuning
[12:06] <CuttingEdge> ThatGraemeGuy: you're welcome to take a look at my variant in action .. would be great to have your feedback
[12:08] <theblazehen> Anyone here know basic regex?
[12:09] <charl> yes
[12:09] <theblazehen> nvm, got my answer..
[12:15] <theblazehen> hi inetpro plustwo
[12:16] <Kilos> lol
[12:16] <Kilos> shame they battling
[12:16] <Kilos> methinks the load shedding broke something
[12:18] <theblazehen> probably..
[12:25] <Kilos> i spose half the govt is shouting fix it
[12:32] <Kilos> wb gremble
[12:44] <theblazehen> Wow, ADSL suddenly really slow..
[12:45] <theblazehen> oh, wait, nvm
[12:45] <theblazehen> Just my ubuntu mirror
[12:45] <theblazehen> 400 B/s ... :/
[12:47] <Kilos> ouch
[12:48] <Kilos> which one you using?
[12:50] <theblazehen> za.archive.ubuntu.com
[12:53] <Kilos> shout at Symmetria
[12:53] <theblazehen> heh, ya
[12:53] <Kilos> he getting slack
[12:54] <Kilos> i find the neo something one is lekker fast
[12:55] <theblazehen> ah, ty
[12:55] <Kilos> ubuntu.mirror.neology
[12:55] <theblazehen> .com ?
[12:55] <Kilos> co.za
[12:56] <Kilos> .co.za/ubuntu
[12:56] <theblazehen> ah
[12:56] <theblazehen> just edit sources.list right?
[12:56] <Kilos> yip
[12:56] <Kilos> i do it in synaptic
[12:56] <theblazehen> ah
[12:56]  * theblazehen in vim
[12:57] <Kilos> update manager used to show them and you could choose best mirror now i use synaptic
[12:59] <theblazehen> ah
[13:00] <charl> turns out virtualbox 3d acceleration is much better on the intel than vmware workstation
[13:01] <theblazehen> charl: hmm, thanks for the info... :/
[13:01] <charl> vmware workstation just refuses to enable 3d acceleration unless you have nvidia or radeon
[13:01] <theblazehen> You know how good kvm's is?
[13:01] <theblazehen> ah
[13:01] <charl> unfortunately not i haven't tried that yet but i want to
[13:01] <theblazehen> ah, kk
[13:01] <charl> problem with kvm is most of the management utilities back when i last tried it were super primitive
[13:01] <charl> unless you install something like proxmox
[13:02] <charl> i should look it up again
[13:02] <charl> maybe there are more options now
[13:02] <theblazehen> yeah, used proxmox last time
[13:02] <charl> i am almost sure that kvm will be a LOT faster than virtualbox
[13:02] <theblazehen> there is ovirt, but wouldn't install on my 4GB USB
[13:02] <charl> virtualbox i found is relatively slow compared to vmware
[13:02] <theblazehen> ah, kk, ty
[13:02] <charl> only the 3d hardware acceleration is better
[13:02] <theblazehen> Pity there isn't any vSphere client for linux :(
[13:03] <charl> yeah that sucks :(
[13:03] <charl> vmware workstation isn't bad though but it's not free or open source
[13:03] <charl> not free as in freedom or free as in gratis
[13:04] <charl> at work we have licenses though
[13:04] <theblazehen> yeah
[13:04] <charl> we do a lot with vmware also in the data centre
[13:04] <theblazehen> I'm now running plain kvm, so that it's easier to use vagrant with it
[13:04] <theblazehen> Have you tried virt-manager?
[13:04] <theblazehen> with libvirt
[13:06] <charl> yes that was the one i think
[13:08] <charl> i'm running the standard virtualbox that comes with ubuntu 14.10 (my host)
[13:08] <CuttingEdge> Kilos: i work for neology/multisource, ironically
[13:08] <theblazehen> ah
[13:08] <theblazehen> Got a seperate host, or is it your main PC?
[13:08] <charl> but when i tried to run kubuntu 14.10 as a guest the display didn't work properly
[13:08] <theblazehen> I don't like the virtualbox headless stuff..
[13:08] <charl> even after installing guest additions
[13:08] <Kilos> great CuttingEdge they are lekker fast
[13:08] <charl> it's my main pc
[13:09] <charl> xrandr just listed certain standard modes
[13:09] <theblazehen> heh, CuttingEdge, your mirror is out of date
[13:09] <charl> then i booted mint cinnamon and then mint kde and it works perfectly with the display even from the live cd
[13:09] <CuttingEdge> theblazehen: i'll go bitchslap it in a moment
[13:09] <theblazehen> charl: did you try and disable the 3d stuff?
[13:09] <theblazehen> ty CuttingEdge
[13:09] <charl> theblazehen: i had 3d disabled indeed, that wasn't the issue
[13:09] <Kilos> lol
[13:10] <Kilos> whats out of date theblazehen
[13:10] <Kilos> i ungraded from there this morning
[13:10] <Kilos> upgraded
[13:12] <theblazehen> Kilos: the mirror, so everything is a week old
[13:13] <Kilos> oh my
[13:14] <Kilos> another early morning coming then
[13:15] <charl> pity vagrant does not install distros with guis
[13:15] <theblazehen> charl: Can't you just build a box?
[13:19] <charl> a vagrantfile you mean ?
[13:20] <charl> oh you mean with packer?
[13:20] <theblazehen> charl: if packer takes a vm and turns it into a box, then yesa
[13:21] <charl> looking at the docs now, there seems to be a headless boolean option
[13:21] <charl> it isn't clear to me what that does though, because it's speaking of showing a console of the machine being built not after the machine is built
[13:22] <theblazehen> hmm...
[13:22] <theblazehen> I know with virtualbox, you can just open VB, then double click on the vm to show console
[13:31] <charl> just tried it and did not work for me
[13:31] <charl> i just got black screen
[13:32] <charl> i installed chef/ubuntu-14.10
[13:32] <theblazehen> charl: I assume that you pressed a key, right?
[13:35] <charl> yes i clicked in the black window and pressed all kinds of stuff
[13:35] <charl> nothing appeared, just remained a black hole
[13:35] <charl> not what i expected
[13:39] <Kilos> ai!
[13:51] <charl> their internet is as stable as the politics
[13:54] <Kilos> lol
[13:55] <theblazehen> ai! Trying to use ZA repo's when I'm connected to USA VPN :(
[13:55] <theblazehen> And have a 14% packet loss to the VPN
[13:56] <theblazehen> I wonder if I can route only certain ports through the VPN?
[13:56] <CuttingEdge> theblazehen: mirror should be synced now
[13:57] <theblazehen> eg outgoing on port 31337 to go through VPN
[13:57] <CuttingEdge> (let me know otherwise)
[13:57] <theblazehen> CuttingEdge: ty :)
[13:59] <Kilos> nothing here needs upgrading
[14:00] <Kilos> so the dev peeps had a weeks holiday
[14:01] <CuttingEdge> from what i can tell, the sync happens 9 minutes past every alternating hour
[14:01] <Kilos> then it cant be out of date can it?
[14:02] <Kilos> or only after 5pm
[14:02] <Kilos> CuttingEdge: you came on here about a year ago right?
[14:03] <theblazehen> CuttingEdge: was out of date according to an ubuntu mirror list
[14:10] <theblazehen> tell me why this is a bad idea: Boot linux, create a raid 1 with a ramdisk and sda, remount root on the raid
[14:14] <CuttingEdge> Kilos: more or less, yeah
[14:15] <CuttingEdge> i tend to frequent local networks though
[14:15] <Kilos> i thought so, there was a guy here a couple of months ago asking for php help and everyone revved him
[14:15] <Kilos> i couldnt remember who it was that said they like php
[14:16] <Kilos> it was you
[14:19] <CuttingEdge> yeah, i do all my 'stuff' in PHP
[14:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> shame
[14:27] <charl> lol
[14:28] <charl> these days if you admit you still use php you are subject to immediate discrimination
[14:28] <charl> then you are a left behind folk :P
[14:30] <Kilos> lol
[14:31] <CuttingEdge> meh :P
[14:31] <charl> lol
[14:32] <charl> meh... i think that was his official statement :P
[14:32] <charl> on the matter
[14:32] <charl> technical elitism ftw
[15:56] <magespawn> good evening all
[15:56] <digigram> Maaz, re-verification
[15:56] <Maaz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/ReVerificationApplication2014
[15:56] <digigram> thank you Maaz
[16:03] <charl> hi magespawn
[16:04] <magespawn> hi ChanServ
[16:05] <magespawn> hi charl
[16:05] <magespawn> double tab, and it has been a long day
[16:19] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[16:19] <magespawn> hi Kilos
[16:19] <Kilos> hi digigram
[16:20] <digigram> hey Kilos
[16:20] <Kilos> tell him magespawn
[16:21] <magespawn> hi digigram
[16:21] <digigram> hey magespawn
[16:21] <Kilos> tell him magespawn
[16:21] <magespawn> tell him what Kilos ?
[16:21] <Kilos> hey
[16:22] <Kilos> charl can tell him too
[16:22] <magespawn> tell who what/
[16:22] <magespawn> ?
[16:22] <Kilos> sigh all my hard work for nothing
[16:22] <digigram> should I rather use "hi" than "hey" Kilos ?
[16:23] <Kilos> yip digigram hey comes out of american ghettos
[16:23] <Kilos> too much tv
[16:23] <digigram> okay, so is it the American part that bothers you, or the ghettos?
[16:24] <Kilos> tv is the most powerful brainwashing tool ever invented
[16:24] <Kilos> american
[16:24] <Kilos> they mess up everything
[16:24] <digigram> so we should abandon all that the Americans came up with?
[16:24] <Kilos> wb gremble
[16:25] <Kilos> nope
[16:25] <Kilos> only the ghetto slang
[16:25] <Kilos> not serious man
[16:26] <gremble> Pretty much
[16:26] <gremble> No more telephones, internet
[16:26] <gremble> uh.. Mass production
[16:26] <gremble> Atomic weapons
[16:26] <gremble> :P
[16:27] <gremble> At least we have Kreepy Krawlies and pay-as-you-go
[16:28] <Kilos> lol
[16:28] <Kilos> and the rooivalk
[16:29] <gremble> The russians pioneered helicopters, so I think we would be able to keep it, yes
[16:29] <Kilos> lol
[16:29] <gremble> Just can't have electricity
[16:29] <gremble> Perhaps DC
[16:30] <Kilos> i dunno
[16:30] <Kilos> did places like england and holland import the stuff for electrics from america
[16:31] <magespawn> sorry Kilos, it has been a rather long day
[16:31] <Kilos> np magespawn you getting old too now
[16:32] <Kilos> oh alexander graham bell
[16:32] <magespawn> hah you still have a few years on me
[16:32] <Kilos> thats when they were still good peeps. mr bell only said hey when he saw someone doing something wrong
[16:34] <Kilos> you doing your testimonial digigram ?
[16:34] <digigram> done 30min ago
[16:35] <Kilos> good man ty very much
[16:35] <Kilos> yours next magespawn
[16:35] <magespawn> yup i am on the page now
[16:35] <Kilos> yay
[16:35] <Kilos> today be a good day
[16:36] <Kilos> just check everything and see if it looks ok to you
[16:36] <Kilos> when we did this 2 years ago i couldnt get to see the page even
[16:42] <Kilos> poor inetpro got serious probs looks like
[16:44] <Kilos> magespawn: how can we become ubuntu members
[16:45] <Kilos> we cant contribute the heavy stuffs
[16:46] <magespawn> ubuntu members/
[16:46] <magespawn> ?
[16:47] <Kilos> i saw somewhere we only got about 5 or 6
[16:47] <Kilos> th weed and neelsie i remember
[16:48] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership
[16:48] <magespawn> i think that is for people who officially recognized by Canonical
[16:48] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/NewMember
[16:49] <Kilos> so we gotta soft soap mark?
[16:51] <gremble> Does anyone here still play minetest?
[16:51] <magespawn> strangely i think that he does not actually have much say
[16:52] <Kilos> it eats too much data for 3g peeps gremble
[16:52] <Kilos> you can blow 2g in a day
[16:52] <magespawn> gremble, i have it going at home
[16:53] <magespawn> my kids love it
[16:53] <theblazehen> magespawn: What's that you have running?
[16:53] <magespawn> minetest
[16:53] <gremble> The fridge
[16:54] <Kilos> i go eat
[16:55] <magespawn> amongst other things
[16:56] <gremble> I was hoping there was one of them servers going :P
[16:56] <Kilos> oh graemes one must still be running
[16:56] <Kilos> you got the link magespawn ?
[16:56] <theblazehen> magespawn: ah
[16:56]  * theblazehen is running normal minecraft now..
[16:57] <magespawn> somewhere Kilos
[16:57] <Kilos> minecraft isnt free
[16:57]  * magespawn goes to look
[16:57] <theblazehen> Kilos: ya
[16:57] <Kilos> mt.donaldson.net i think it was
[16:57] <Kilos> try that gremble
[16:59] <gremble> He plays on another server, mentioned it earlier
[16:59] <Kilos> you can go look its where we all played
[16:59] <Kilos> just explore
[17:00] <Kilos> and its lekker fast
[17:00] <Kilos> when im flooded with data ill go play again too
[17:06] <gremble> Eh, I'll just play by myself for now :P
[17:06] <gremble> There are monsters right?
[17:07] <theblazehen> gremble: needs a mod for that
[17:19] <Kilos> nope monsters turned off gremble
[17:19] <Kilos> go see the homes we built
[17:19] <Kilos> below my house there is a transporter pad to different areas
[17:19] <Kilos> saves lots of walking
[17:21] <Kilos> and below my house id a covered over lake with a place the fly built underwater
[17:21] <Kilos> then there is the ship he built
[17:22] <Kilos> and the deep
[17:22] <Kilos> i dont remember if it was 4 or 5ks down
[17:24] <Kilos> magespawn: what do they mean by this
[17:24] <Kilos> For contributions that are mostly within the IRC area, you might want to add your application to IRC/IrcCouncil/MeetingAgenda and attend a meeting there. More information on the specific process at: IRC/Membership
[17:26] <Kilos> what kinda contributions
[17:26] <magespawn> to become a ubuntu member you have give significant and sustained contribution to ubuntu, irc is recognized as one of the ways to do this
[17:27] <magespawn> significant and sustained
[17:29] <Kilos> lol i been helped here non stop for 5 years
[17:31] <magespawn> i am off for now, might come back later, very zonked
[17:39] <Kilos> hi hannolom
[17:40] <hannolom> Hi
[17:40] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[17:40] <hannolom> thanks
[17:41] <hannolom> have anybody installed ubuntu server on a HP proliant dl280 gen3?
[17:41] <hannolom> Sorry - have anybody installed ubuntu server on a HP proliant dl380 gen3?
[17:41] <superfly> nope
[17:44] <theblazehen> hi hannolom
[17:44] <hannolom> hello
[17:44] <theblazehen> hannolom: having problems, or is this just to check if it works fine ahead of time?
[17:45] <hannolom> Having problems
[17:46] <theblazehen> Can you describe them?
[17:46] <hannolom> long story
[17:46] <hannolom> I started installin on a DL380 G4
[17:47] <hannolom> Setup raid5 using HP controller. Boot using Unetbootin and Ubuntu 12.04
[17:48] <hannolom> Install goes trough fine (no errors - picked up the raid and all)
[17:49] <hannolom> but on first reboot boots into nothing - no shel nothing. ("Screen say out of range")
[17:49] <theblazehen> hmm. Does it show a menu where you can choose Ubuntu, Ubuntu recovery etc.?
[17:50] <theblazehen> I think I might be able to get you on the right track, if t=it is what I think it is
[17:50] <theblazehen> if it is*
[17:50] <hannolom> Nothing - shift on grub does not even work
[17:50] <theblazehen> So, that is right after the BIOS, where that hapens?
[17:50] <Kilos> ctrl+alt+f?
[17:50] <Kilos> f3 sorry
[17:50] <theblazehen> Kilos: what's that do?
[17:50] <Kilos> goes to cli
[17:51] <hannolom> lets see
[17:51] <theblazehen> Kilos: I'm assuming ubuntu server, so default is cli
[17:51] <Kilos> yip lets hope it wakes up
[17:51] <Kilos> 12.04 server worked kiff here
[17:51] <theblazehen> hannolom: Can you boot the live environment, modify grubs startup stuff, and append nomodeset to the kernel parameters?
[17:52] <hannolom> nope - nothing
[17:52] <hannolom> But the story continues
[17:53] <Kilos> go on
[17:53] <hannolom> So unetbootin gives me the option to install with "ubuntu-desktop"
[17:53] <Kilos> ok thats gui
[17:54] <hannolom> Reinstalled with that option and it workes - boots into ubuntu desktop
[17:54] <hannolom> Now over to the HP DL380 G3
[17:55] <hannolom> I cannot use unetbootin because the G3's does not boot from USB.
[17:55] <hannolom> The bootable CD does not give me that option
[17:55] <hannolom> After install - same problem as on the G4 - boots into Nothing
[17:56] <hannolom> Ctrl+alt+f3 does nothing
[17:57] <Kilos> that normally takes you to a command line where you login and give password
[17:57] <Kilos> theblazehen: over to you
[17:57] <hannolom> nope Screes keeps displaying ("Input not supported")
[17:58] <theblazehen> hannolom: the server CD?
[17:59] <theblazehen> Can you edit the grub config?
[17:59] <theblazehen> Do you have another screen?
[17:59] <hannolom> I can try to boot in resque mode?
[18:00] <hannolom> Jip - switched screens and same result.
[18:00] <theblazehen> Hmm.. What are their maximum resolutions?
[18:00] <theblazehen> Does rescue mode work?
[18:00] <hannolom> Same result on G3 & G4 - But G4 I could load with the Ubuntu-desktop on initial install
[18:01] <hannolom> 1080p
[18:01] <theblazehen> Hmm..
[18:01] <hannolom> If I boot with the install CD there is a resque mode that eventually takes me to a shell
[18:02] <theblazehen> Yeah, does that work?
[18:02] <hannolom> the option on boot says "Resque a broken system"
[18:03] <theblazehen> Yeah. Try iy
[18:04] <hannolom> cool - busy now
[18:04] <theblazehen> Alright
[18:04] <hannolom> Sorry if I seem a bit slow - Ubuntu newbie
[18:05] <theblazehen> No problem
[18:05] <theblazehen> Those screens you tried: different models?
[18:05] <theblazehen> No working desktop on the G3?
[18:06] <hannolom> Different screens -yes
[18:06] <theblazehen> Alright. You have access to rescue mode?
[18:06] <hannolom> Got a shell
[18:06] <hannolom> now what?
[18:07] <theblazehen> Mount the hard drive where Ubuntu is installed
[18:07] <hannolom> Purpule screen - says Resque mode at the top and I have a shell at the bottom
[18:07] <hannolom> How do I do that?
[18:08] <theblazehen> The edit (IIRC) /etc/grub/grub.conf and append nomodeset to the kernel settings
[18:08] <hannolom> It did day that the shell will be executed in the drive with grub bootloader
[18:08] <theblazehen> Run ls /dev/SD*
[18:08] <theblazehen> OK, good
[18:08] <theblazehen> Then edit the grub conf
[18:08] <hannolom> how can I confirm?
[18:08] <theblazehen> No need to mount I believe
[18:08] <theblazehen> Run "mount"
[18:09] <theblazehen> See if there is an entry for sda or something there
[18:09] <theblazehen> See what it says for /
[18:11] <hannolom> It says: /dev/mapper/server10--vg--root on / type ext4
[18:11] <hannolom> and much more - too much to type
[18:12] <theblazehen> Alright should be good
[18:12] <theblazehen> Edit the grub config then, append nomodeset to the kernel arguaments
[18:12] <theblazehen> Gotta go, sorry
[18:13] <hannolom> cool thanks for the help
[18:22] <Kilos> hannolom: did you use the same iso to make the usb stick and the cd
[18:23] <hannolom> Same iso file selected for Ubuntu server 12.04
[18:24] <Kilos> i wonder why one gives the option to install the desktrop and the other doesnt
[18:24] <hannolom> Nomodeset however hsed to create usb boot and Infra recorder for CD
[18:25] <Kilos> what are the servers for?
[18:25] <Kilos> the desktop will add some bloat
[18:26] <hannolom> Rendering farm (I have 15 in total mix of DL380, Dl360 Gen3 and Gen4)
[18:28] <Kilos> just hang here, well see if theblazehen comes back or someone else has a better way of getting to see the command line
[18:29] <Kilos> sjoe ThatGraemeGuy you working too hard
[18:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> nope
[18:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> I'm back in ADSLville
[18:33] <Kilos> aha
[18:33] <Kilos> hannolom: do you ssh to them ?
[18:34] <Kilos> or use gui's
[18:34] <hannolom> ssh?
[18:34] <hannolom> oh sorry remote
[18:35] <hannolom> tried - did not work
[18:35] <Kilos> and the one with the desktop can you get to that
[18:35] <hannolom> the G4 with GUI work both ways
[18:36] <hannolom> yip even from windows
[18:36] <Kilos> has the desktop not slowed it down too much
[18:36] <hannolom> no baseline to compare - but it looks ok
[18:37] <Kilos> if not you can install a desktop on the problem one too if it has internet connection
[18:37] <hannolom> how?
[18:37] <Kilos> command line
[18:38] <Kilos> like from the boot cd you can do it
[18:38] <hannolom> as in: apt-get install ubuntu-desktop?
[18:39] <Kilos> theblazehen: has a lighter kind of interface but he can help wioth that tomorrow or whenever
[18:39] <Kilos> thats it
[18:39] <Kilos> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[18:39] <Kilos> you might need to mount the drive first, im not sure
[18:40] <hannolom> Cool - i'll check in tomorrow and we can try
[18:41] <Kilos> try the command quick
[18:41] <Kilos> see what it does
[18:41] <Kilos> once it is going and you can remote to it im sure you can then remove the desktop
[18:43] <hannolom> Out of desperation I'm resinstalling it now - this time I set "nomodeset" in the "F6" option in the installer main meny
[18:43] <hannolom> Lets see what that does
[18:44] <Kilos> ok
[18:44] <magespawn> back
[18:44] <Kilos> wb magespawn
[18:44] <magespawn> did not fall asleep
[18:44] <Kilos> lol
[18:45] <magespawn> any suggestions for ubuntu on a netbook? an ascer aspire one
[18:45] <magespawn> currently running lubuntu
[18:46] <Kilos> what you mean suggestions
[18:46] <digigram> I found mate-desktop to be a good mix between lightweight and functional
[18:46] <digigram> lxde on the other hand feels wayyyy to restricted
[18:46] <magespawn> for os or just desktop
[18:46] <digigram> xfce is also a good mix, I just don't like it, but it's personal
[18:46] <Kilos> what do you want out of it magespawn ?
[18:47] <Kilos> x is yucky
[18:47] <magespawn> i am only using it for light work, network troubleshooting etc, mainly because it has good battery life
[18:47] <Kilos> can you use a mac?
[18:47] <magespawn> i am using xubuntu on my main machine, but i have changed a lot of the software
[18:49] <Kilos> what uibuntu is on it now ?
[18:49] <Kilos> ubuntu
[18:51] <charl> hey hey
[18:51] <charl> i see we are not being allowed to speak gangster here again :P
[18:51] <charl> but that's the way i roll
[18:51] <charl> they see me rollin', they hatin'
[18:51] <magespawn> hey charl
[18:51] <charl> hi magespawn
[18:52] <Kilos> lol
[18:52] <Kilos> magespawn: whats wrong with the ubuntu on it now?
[18:53] <magespawn> nothing really, just always looking out for different ways of doing things
[18:56] <Kilos> lol
[18:56] <Kilos> look at elementaryos
[18:56] <Kilos> ubuntu 12.04 with mac look
[18:56] <Kilos> very fast
[19:00] <theblazehen> magespawn: No recommendation, but an anti-recommendation: Anything with BCM4313 wifi, and if you're using powerVR graphics, then you can only use modesetting graphics (xfce-desktop, with conky is ~15% CPU), or you're stuck with a 2.something kernel, and really outdated Xorg
[19:01] <magespawn> cool ty theblazehen
[19:01] <theblazehen> so the D270 is a bad idea
[19:01] <theblazehen> I'd go for an i3 chromebook myself
[19:01] <theblazehen> Do you use a tiling WM? No super key
[19:01] <theblazehen> brb
[19:01] <Kilos> theblazehen: that guy coming back tomorrow
[19:02] <Kilos> you can help him do the i3 thing if his reinstall didnt work
[19:10] <theblazehen> Kilos: kk
[19:10] <theblazehen> But he's doing the nomodeset at the wrong place :(\
[19:10] <Kilos> shame
[19:10] <Kilos> he is totally lost i think
[19:10] <theblazehen> ya
[19:11] <Kilos> first time linux user
[19:11] <theblazehen> hi inetpro
[19:12] <theblazehen> Had problems again today?
[19:12] <inetpro> hi theblazehen
[19:12] <inetpro> yep, these damn power outages finally broke our firewall completely
[19:12] <Kilos> eish
[19:12] <Kilos> wb goosie
[19:13] <inetpro> finally switched to a new one now... just having to finalise a few things still but at least I'm back here now via the new fw
[19:13] <theblazehen> ai
[19:13] <theblazehen> What about backup power?
[19:14] <inetpro> we don't talk about that
[19:14] <theblazehen> ah.. :'(
[19:14] <magespawn> hardware firewall?
[19:14] <inetpro> FreeBSD
[19:14] <theblazehen> nice
[19:14] <theblazehen> I still wanna learn pf
[19:14] <inetpro> me too
[19:14] <inetpro> still using old ipfw
[19:15] <theblazehen> ah...
[19:15] <theblazehen> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffie%E2%80%93Hellman_key_exchange my reading (and hopefull, implementation) for the night...
[19:15] <inetpro> anyway, good to be back... but can't chat now, sorry guys
[19:15] <theblazehen> alright, cya inetpro
[19:16] <theblazehen> good luck with the fw
[19:16] <inetpro> might still vanish one or two times when finally rebooting at the end to make sure everything comes back after another fail
[19:16] <inetpro> thanks theblazehen
[19:17] <Kilos> good luck inetpro
[19:17] <inetpro> now focusing on squid
[19:17] <theblazehen> yay /s
[19:18] <inetpro> about time that I upgraded
[19:19] <theblazehen> oh, nice, DH is easier than I thought...
[19:20] <theblazehen> Can get the symmetric key, and only need to send the public key to each other. Assume the public keys are public knowledge, therefore will be easier to use :D
[19:20] <magespawn> theblazehen, pf?
[19:21] <theblazehen> magespawn: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/firewalls-pf.html
[19:24] <magespawn> is it better than others in someway?
[19:25] <theblazehen> magespawn: afaik the syntax is easier than iptables, not sure about other advantages
[19:26] <magespawn> well if it easier to use and just as capable that is a major step in the right direction
[19:30] <magespawn> bit of a noobie question, but anyway, does a proxy server have to have two network ports or just be defined as the proxy in the network setup?
[19:30] <magespawn> in order to work
[19:31] <magespawn> i thought having two or more nic one for the wan side another for the lan would make it quicker maybe
[19:31] <theblazehen> magespawn: I did it with one before
[19:31] <magespawn> and the performance?
[19:31] <theblazehen> with 2 you need to configure it as an intercepting proxy
[19:32] <theblazehen> dunno, I only have 100mbit ethernet at home, but it maxed out at ~98 mbit, on a old pentium I had
[19:33] <theblazehen> maxing the network out made my dual core 2.1 GHz pentium go up to 7% usage
[19:34] <magespawn> i would like to try it to see if there are any performance increases for the local network
[19:34] <theblazehen> Why would you expect an increase? Caching?
[19:34] <magespawn> yes
[19:34] <Kilos> night all of ya. sleep tight
[19:35] <magespawn> good night Kilos
[19:36] <theblazehen> magespawn: ah, I used 30 GB caching before, not too much increase. Too much stuff uses https...
[19:36] <theblazehen> Dunno if you'd be willing to strip the ssl
[19:37] <magespawn> no, i dont think that is such a good idea
[19:37] <theblazehen> yeah..
[19:37] <magespawn> squid says it supports https though
[19:38] <theblazehen> Well it'd still have SSL, just with a different cert, that you install on each pc
[19:38] <theblazehen> yeah, but no caching, as it can't read the info
[19:40] <magespawn> the company does almost all of its mail through imap from google apps, with the odd one here and there still using pop3 for local storage
[19:40] <magespawn> the way intepro feels about ftp is the same way i feel about pop and local storage
[19:42] <theblazehen> yeah, they all a bad idea
[19:43] <theblazehen> running only imap on my mail server :)
[19:44] <magespawn> there is no reason not to when google is your provider, and the sync works so much better
[19:44] <theblazehen> yeah
[19:44] <theblazehen> cryptography gives me a headache :(
[19:45] <theblazehen> or maybe it's just openssl
[19:48] <theblazehen> gonna go to bed.. cya magespawn
[20:00] <magespawn> me too later theblazehen
[20:02] <magespawn> good night all


[00:03] <jbicha> wow, installing ubiquity in a standard chroot tries to install 2/3 of ubuntu-desktop http://paste.ubuntu.com/1184683/
[00:05] <jbicha> I guess it's pretty good at installing stuff
[00:08] <xnox> nah =) it works.
[00:08] <xnox> there are quite a few plugins to deal with a11y, printing / graphics cards drivers, taking webcam pictures, etc.
[00:09] <xnox> but rhythmbox-plugins is funny =)
[00:09] <xnox> oh it needs a known good working window manager
[00:09] <xnox> which gnome-shell might not be marked as such
[00:09] <xnox> for the full-desktop ubiquity sessions
[00:09] <xnox> jbicha: patches welcome =)
[00:10] <xnox> jbicha: did you get to test my fix for theming / readability issues?
[00:10] <jbicha> firefox, webkit & unity are nice touches
[00:11] <jbicha> anyway, installing ubuntu-gnome-desktop instead does what I need
[00:13] <jbicha> xnox: not yet, how do I run ubiquity from bzr?
[00:14] <xnox> build a package. Run in a VM.
[00:14] <xnox> jbicha: to be honest you can update the two files I touched in place for testing
[00:14] <xnox> ./debian/rules update
[00:14] <jbicha> ooh, shortcut
[00:14] <xnox> debuild binary
[00:15] <xnox> well ubiquity fetches and embeds udebs in it's package
[00:15] <xnox> to make udebs suitable for running under ubiquities command instead of under debian-installer
[00:16] <xnox> those two commands are needed to build debs.
[00:17] <xnox> to figure out that the bzr-path != install path is left as an exercise to the reader ;)
[00:47] <RAOF> robert_ancell: Are you aware of bug 1045453? It seems the work to do seamless handoffs from unity-greeter to the session has regressed.
[00:47] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1045453 in unity-greeter "Visual artefacts after greeter" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1045453
[00:48] <robert_ancell> RAOF, yeah, I saw it but haven't investigated
[00:49] <RAOF> Cool. Let me know if you want some help on it; I seem to recall fixing that for Precise :)
[01:33] <jbicha> robert_ancell: I wonder if the cogl guys are going to another soname bump this cycle... :(
[01:34] <jbicha> I just don't know when they get around to freezing
[01:42] <robert_ancell> jbicha, unclear upstreams are very annoying :)
[01:42] <robert_ancell> jbicha, don't they follow the same as clutter?
[01:47] <jbicha> robert_ancell: well cogl is a lot more experimental than clutter but yeah, they're on about the same cycle
[01:49] <robert_ancell> jbicha, btw, I find it handy to run 'python versions.py' after updating versions as it's really easy to make typos
[01:50] <robert_ancell> i.e. I just Ctrl-C it after confirming it runs
[01:50] <jbicha> robert_ancell: you mean 2 hours later?
[01:50] <robert_ancell> jbicha, nah, after 1 second (you last commit had a typo and I've made loads of them before)
[01:52] <robert_ancell> btw, does anyone know the status of zeitgeist? Should we be running 0.9.5. I kind of leave that as it could break Unity
[01:53] <jbicha> seiflotfy: do you know ^
[01:53] <seiflotfy> it wont break unity
[01:53] <robert_ancell> seiflotfy, I figure you've poked the Unity people
[01:53] <seiflotfy> no api changes
[01:53] <seiflotfy> robert_ancell: can you try running it yourself
[01:53] <seiflotfy> :D
[01:54] <seiflotfy> but its adds some major performance boosts
[01:54] <robert_ancell> I wont exercise it as much as the Unity people so I'm a little wary of trusting my testing
[01:55] <seiflotfy> robert_ancell: i will go through with DX team on it
[01:55] <robert_ancell> seiflotfy, where is your download location?
[01:55] <seiflotfy> mhr3 and kalikiana are bot hdevs
[01:55] <robert_ancell> (now)
[01:55] <robert_ancell> seiflotfy, I'll update the packaging in a branch and let them decide to release
[01:55] <seiflotfy> for ubuntu its on launchpad
[01:56] <seiflotfy> robert_ancell: we wil lcontinue releasing on launchpad and taking bugs on launchpad if necessary
[01:56] <robert_ancell> oh you changed to bz2, it confused debian/watch
[01:56] <seiflotfy> but we mainly work on fdo
[01:56] <seiflotfy> robert_ancell: no we did not change
[01:56] <seiflotfy> our code is synced automagiacally
[01:57] <seiflotfy> and for the sake of ubuntu we kept our launchpad page and update it with releases
[01:57] <seiflotfy> :D
[01:57] <robert_ancell> perhaps no-one ever checked the debian/watch...
[01:59] <robert_ancell> seiflotfy, bug 1045587
[01:59] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1045587 in zeitgeist "Update to 0.9.5" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1045587
[01:59] <seiflotfy> robert_ancell: awesome
[02:05] <robert_ancell> seiflotfy, did you add the LIBZEITGEIST_VERSION variables by accident to configure.ac?
[02:06] <seiflotfy> what does it say
[02:06] <seiflotfy> but its wrong
[02:06] <seiflotfy> it should not be there
[02:06] <seiflotfy> crap
[02:06] <seiflotfy> will need to roll another release tomrrow
[02:06] <seiflotfy> will kill manish
[02:06] <robert_ancell> seiflotfy, it doesn't affect anything
[02:07] <seiflotfy> we had some major changes but we rolled back to release 0.9.5
[02:13] <robert_ancell> Laney, are you awake?
[02:19] <robert_ancell> jbicha, http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/261723/the_new_pure_gnome_ubuntu_linux_is_coming_this_fall.html#tk.rss_news
[02:19] <robert_ancell> it's amazing how little research is done by journos
[04:56] <pitti> Bonjour
[07:40] <chrisccoulson> uh, the troll is back: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1045226
[07:40] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1045226 in ubuntu "Thunderbird URLs don't open in configured browser" [Undecided,Invalid]
[07:41] <chrisccoulson> seriously, where did i not take his report seriously, and where did i violate the CoC?
[07:45] <larsu> chrisccoulson, haha this guy is awesome :)  imo, you handled it perfectly
[07:48] <tsimpson> default response to messages like "I consider whoever developed <software> to be lacking in software development skills and thus not worthy of my time" should as follows: "Oh, I didn't realise you were an expert, please supply patches" :)
[07:48] <MCR1> tsimpson: haha
[07:49] <MCR1> patches are very wellkommen :)
[07:59] <mvo> pitti: do you think you might have time for a code review of https://code.launchpad.net/~mvo/aptdaemon/support-change-credentials-on-add-repo/+merge/112098 ? or anyone else from the disto/desktop team :) ?
[08:02] <pitti> mvo: I can have a look today, yes; queueing
[08:03] <mvo> pitti: thanks!
[08:04] <mvo> pitti: there maybe another small one coming once I figured out how to write a test for it, but feel free to pass the review on to someone else from the team if you are too busy, seb128 probably has candidates that could also do it
[08:04] <seb128> hey mvo, pitti
[08:05] <mvo> hey seb128
[08:05] <seb128> mvo, wie gehts?
[08:06] <mvo> seb128: gut, danke
[08:06] <mvo> seb128: and you?
[08:07] <seb128> mvo, I'm good thanks ;-)
[08:18] <MCR1> pitti: Hi :) IIRC Google told me you are the expert on this issue, so if that info is correct it would be nice if you could review: https://code.launchpad.net/~mc-return/nux/nux.merge-fix-deprecated-warnings/+merge/122408
[08:21] <pitti> argh, reconnect
[08:23] <pitti> MCR1: followed up
[08:24] <MCR1> Anyone able to run bzr qlog (from qbzr package) on Quantal ? Or Trimage Image Compressor (trimage package) ? I do not want to file bug reports if it is just me again ;)
[08:24] <MCR1> pitti: Thx.
[08:39] <xnox> There is bug 1045666 filed. So ubiquity-only session is not loading up enough of gnomish settings: icons on the stock buttons are shown, font is not ubuntu & minimise button is missing (which is ok, there is nowhere to minimise ubiquity to)
[08:39] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1045666 in ubiquity "Style differs if ubiquity is started directly from 'Install Ubuntu' or from a Live Session" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1045666
[08:39] <xnox> But it would be nice to remove icons on the buttons & use ubuntu font
[09:01] <seb128> mvo, what are the pkgcache.bin and srcpkgcache.bin files, what creates them?
[09:01] <mvo> seb128: its the mmap binary cache of apt and its apt itself that creates them (libapt to be precise)
[09:01] <seb128> mvo, I'm looking at how my disk got full, there are 2GB leftover of those created over years
[09:02] <seb128> I had some GB of bootcharts as well :p
[09:02] <seb128> mvo, is anything supposed to clean them?
[09:02] <mvo> seb128: woah
[09:02] <mvo> seb128: can you give me a ls -l /var/cache/apt/* ?
[09:02] <mvo> seb128: sounds like worthy of a bugreport ,)
[09:03] <seb128> mvo, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1185349/
[09:03] <MCR1> seb128: You can make a film about boot speed changes in Ubuntu overtime then ;) - Could be cool.
[09:03] <seb128> MCR1, yeah ;-)
[09:04] <seb128> mvo, those files are all between 19M and 31M (I guess depending of the number of sources I had enabled at the time)
[09:04] <mvo> seb128: yeah
[09:04] <seb128> mvo, where do I open a bug? apt?
[09:04] <mvo> seb128: yes please
[09:04] <mvo> seb128: it should clean leftovers
[09:06] <MCR1> seb128, mvo: In times of SSDs filespace is precious again :)
[09:06] <seb128> indeed
[09:06] <seb128> I just started having enough to get g-s-d prompting me several times a day with "you only have 1GB of disk space left"
[09:07] <MCR1> bleachbit is a nice tool for automatic clean-ups on Ubuntu
[09:07] <MCR1> Recommended by a SSD-user (MCR1) ;)
[09:08] <MCR1> seb128: http://bleachbit.sourceforge.net/
[09:09] <seb128> mvo, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1045704
[09:09] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1045704 in apt "should clean pkgcache.bin.* and srcpkgcache.bin.*" [Undecided,New]
[09:10] <seb128> MCR1, thanks, I would prefer having things not get cluttered over time and not required users to have to figure they need to find and run such tools though ;-)
[09:10] <seb128> mvo, can I clean those files or do you need them for debug purpose?
[09:11] <MCR1> seb128: Sure, something like this should be integrated into the system - I agree.
[09:11] <MCR1> But in times everything gets cached on disk, especially all those web apps - something like that is badly needed.
[09:12] <MCR1> I mean Google Earth *could* easily fill even the biggest harddrive probably (it has a limit though) ;)
[09:14] <MCR1> seb128: Try Bleachbit, you will be impressed - it is a very nice tool - you just need to configure it once to your liking and then your future clean-ups are just 1-button away - Highly recommended *especially* for those poor SSD users out there ;)
[09:15] <MCR1> It is even on launchpad: https://launchpad.net/bleachbit
[09:15] <seb128> MCR1, I'm old school, I run baobab and clean stuff manually
[09:16] <seb128> MCR1, I don't trust softwares to (not) delete my datas
[09:16] <MCR1> I like baobab also, but bleachbit is FOSS, so just check it's code ;)
[09:16] <seb128> well it's not intend I don't trust
[09:17] <seb128> but it's software and softwares have bugs
[09:17] <MCR1> really ?
[09:17] <MCR1> hehe
[09:17] <seb128> and when the software purpose is to delete stuff on your disk, including in your userdir, bugs might mean whipping your disk
[09:17] <seb128> I just prefer to rm stuff manually :p
[09:18] <MCR1> :-X
[09:18] <ogra_> baobab ... old school ?
[09:19]  * ogra_ always thought du -hcs ~/* was old-shool
[09:19] <seb128> ogra_, ;-)
[09:19] <seb128> ogra_, that's too old school to me, I need an UI and a recursive list :p
[09:19] <ogra_> hahaha
[09:28] <seb128> jibel, hey
[09:29] <jibel> seb128, hi
[09:29] <seb128> jibel, why do you need a git access for libreoffice "[jibel] Test build from upstream release tag"?
[09:29] <seb128> jibel, doh, ignore that, I though you could check it over http... :p
[09:29] <seb128> jibel, do you know why the rt got marked incomplete?
[09:31] <jibel> seb128, I can get it from http, but that'd mean changing the rules file on the fly.
[09:32] <jibel> seb128, I have no idea why it's incomplete, retoaded was on it, I'll ask him when he wakes up
[09:32] <seb128> jibel, thanks
[09:37] <MCR1> pitti: Followed your suggestions: https://code.launchpad.net/~mc-return/nux/nux.merge-fix-deprecated-warnings/+merge/122408
[09:38] <pitti> MCR1: that should be somewhere at the top of main(), not in  an if() condition which is potentially executed zero or more than one times?
[09:40] <MCR1> pitti: Ok.
[09:49] <mvo> seb128: you got 2gb of those, right?
[09:49] <seb128> mvo, yes
[09:50] <seb128> mvo,
[09:50] <seb128> $ du -ksh /var/cache/apt
[09:50] <seb128> 2,0G	/var/cache/apt
[09:50] <seb128> mvo, that's after an apt-get clean
[09:50] <mvo> seb128: :)
[09:50] <seb128> mvo, does it keep them to a 2GB limit?
[09:50] <mvo> seb128: working on a fix now, should be easy
[09:50] <mvo> seb128: no, the size is just staggering
[09:50] <seb128> ok
[09:51] <seb128> mvo, can I delete those or do you need them for debug?
[09:51] <seb128> mvo, I'm not in the hurry for the space so I can keep them a bit
[09:51] <MCR1> mvo: 988M here
[09:55] <mvo> MCR1: ta
[09:55] <mvo> seb128: you can keep them if you want to test the fix
[09:55] <seb128> mvo, doing that
[09:57] <MCR1> http://www.acronymfinder.com/TA.html
[09:58] <seb128> MCR1, http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080323124141AA3HTwc
[09:59] <MCR1> seb128: Haha, thx - I thought "Total Average" might fit better than "Tori Amos"
[10:00] <MCR1> mvo: np, yw :)
[10:02] <mvo> ;)
[10:25] <MCR1> seb128: Can you help me getting this fix: https://code.launchpad.net/~mc-return/font-manager/font-manager.fix-961034/+merge/114991 finally merged ? - I do not want to see this bug in Quantal again ;)
[10:36] <pitti> seb128, Laney: is someone already packaging glib 2.33.11 in debian exp?
[10:36] <Laney> not me atm
[10:36] <pitti> looks like http://launchpadlibrarian.net/113078484/glib2.0_2.33.10-0ubuntu2_2.33.10-0ubuntu3.diff.gz might need committing to the svn, is that still relevant?
[10:36] <seb128> pitti, robert_ancell did it on launchpad according to versions
[10:36] <seb128> pitti, if you don't have a better solution yes
[10:36] <pitti> I don't see it in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/+queue?queue_state=1
[10:36] <seb128> pitti, I didn't want to start adding Xorg depends only for that one test
[10:37] <seb128> pitti, versions says robert_ancell opened bug #1045608 for tracking
[10:37] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1045608 in glib2.0 "Update to 2.33.12" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1045608
[10:37] <seb128> pitti, he emailed me saying he had the gtj2,gtk
[10:37] <seb128> pitti, he emailed me saying he had the gtk2,gtk3 updates done but didn't upload because he didn't finish testing
[10:37] <pitti> seb128: that's fine; I just don't understand how adding that .desktop file avoids an x.org stack
[10:37] <seb128> so maybe glib is in the same case
[10:38] <pitti> ah, ok; I don't touch it for now, then
[10:38] <pitti> but perhaps we can aim to get back in sync, so that we do not always have to do this merging exercise?
[10:38] <seb128> pitti, no, please commit his work to debian and upload there if you want, I don't think he wanted a lock on it ;-)
[10:38]  * pitti checks in lp:ubuntu/glib2.0
[10:39] <seb128> pitti, re x.rog stack, gio will want to spawn g-t if the command line flag is true
[10:39] <pitti> hm, not there either
[10:39] <seb128> pitti, cf the bug I poined,  lp:~robert-ancell/glib/update-2.33.12
[10:39] <seb128> pitti, in fact he didn't upload because a test fails
[10:39] <pitti> oh sorry, I missed that
[10:40] <seb128> pitti, robert_ancell record all the stuff he starts on with bugs that are listed on versions
[10:40] <seb128> pitti, so usually just look there if you want the status of something ;-)
[10:40] <pitti> *nod*
[10:40] <seb128> pitti, so yeah, gio wants to run a g-t if the command line flag is true
[10:40] <seb128> pitti, and g-t is a gtk app, so depends on a graphical stack
[10:41] <seb128> pitti, but I guess we could add g-t to the build-depends and xvfb, and hack that around, that one test just didn't seem worth that
[10:42] <pitti> seb128: I agree; I was just curious how the patch worked
[10:42] <seb128> pitti, ok ;-)
[10:42] <seb128> pitti, thanks for looking at the glib update!
[10:43] <pitti> doing pygobject right now; could do glib over lunch
[10:43] <mvo> seb128: quick question - what version of apt-get are you currently using? that causes the pkgcache dupes?
[10:44] <seb128> mvo, they go back to 2010 and I update my Ubuntu regularly over time
[10:44] <seb128> mvo, so all between 2010 and today?
[10:45] <seb128> mvo, I currently have 0.8.16~exp12ubuntu10.2
[10:45] <seb128> mvo, let me upgrade to 0.9.7 ;-)
[10:45] <mvo> seb128: yeah, I think this is actually fixed in later version (0.9.x)
[10:45] <mvo> seb128: sounds worthwhile to backport though for the precise users
[10:46] <seb128> mvo, yeah, apt-get clean wipped those! ;-)
[10:46] <seb128> with 0.9
[10:46] <seb128> mvo, sorry, my system is still a mix precise,quantal, I do apt-get install stuff as I need them rather than doing a full dist-upgrade :p
[10:48] <seb128> mvo, and yeah, fixing that in the 5 years supported LTS would be good ;-)
[11:33] <mvo> seb128: + [seb128] replace update-notifier with upstart jobs: POSTPONED <- does that mean the required features are there?
[11:34] <seb128> mvo, no, the opposite, it means there is no chance to see it happening this cycle since the features are not there :-(
[11:34] <mvo> seb128: right :(
[11:34] <mvo> seb128: I was just confused as it changed from blocked->postponed and I thought it might got unblocked, but that its too late to implement it now
[11:35] <mvo> (if that makes sense)
[11:35] <seb128> mvo, yeah, I would have kept "blocked" but those show as items that still are tracking as to do on the charts
[11:35] <seb128> mvo, so I changed for a "closed status"
[11:38] <mvo> seb128: aha, ok
[13:32] <kenvandine> seb128, bug 1045223
[13:32] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1045223 in empathy "When UOA g-c-c panel is loaded, the launcher icon gets associated with empathy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1045223
[13:32] <seb128> kenvandine, good morning to you too :p
[13:32] <kenvandine> not empathy, do you think bamf?
[13:32] <kenvandine> hehe
[13:32] <kenvandine> good morning seb128 :)
[13:33] <seb128> kenvandine, yeah, bamf seems a good pick
[13:35] <mterry> tedg, do you have an answer for slangasek's question about selinux in bug 1039636?  It's the last issue for that MIR
[13:35] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1039636 in lightdm-remote-session-freerdp "[MIR] lightdm-remote-session-freerdp" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1039636
[13:36] <tedg> mterry, I'm working on an answer for tyhicks, then slangasek is next :-)
[13:37] <mterry> tedg, k, thanks!
[14:27] <seb128> pitti, is they any chance you could look at some of the jockey bugs on errors.ubuntu.com or would you prefer if we found somebody else in desktop to took over it?
[14:28] <seb128> pitti, jockey is first on e.u.c daily stats atm, we need somebody to look at that
[14:28] <pitti> we still have so many? in precise, I guess?
[14:28] <pitti> yeah, I looked at errors.u.c. a few days ago, but the topmost one is again the absolutely useless one
[14:28] <seb128> pitti, well, try just try: except: it?
[14:29] <pitti> I thought we finally blocked these in apport, but perhaps people don't install these updates or so
[14:29] <seb128> pitti, it's useless but it means tons of user getting prompted about an error :-(
[14:30] <seb128> could be, it's hard to say because we stopped using jockey in quantal so we can't use that as a set of "users who are for sure running a recent apport"
[14:30] <pitti> they don't all happen at the same place, it'd be quite a lot of try:/excepts (and then just exit with an error dialog, perhaps)
[14:30] <pitti> so, I still have my hands full with glib and some other assigned bugs today (and I need to finish soon, need to run in 30 mins)
[14:30] <pitti> so I consider those lower prio for me
[14:31] <pitti> so if anyone wants to have a look at them before me, I won't object :)
[14:31] <pitti> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-drivers-common/+bugs is in much better shape, at least ;)
[14:33] <seb128> pitti, yeah, it was not a today topic, but since we didn't manage to get whoopsie turned off for the lts we need to deal with those issues in some way
[14:33] <seb128> pitti, we can't keep spamming users with those prompts for the next 5 years...
[14:33] <pitti> *nod*, but it's not realistic to fix all crashers
[14:33] <pitti> (nor desirable)
[14:34] <seb128> pitti, well, not all, but those who score in thousand units on e.u.c we should...
[14:34] <seb128> pitti, anyway as said I mostly want to know if you want to look at them at some point or if we should find somebody in desktop (which would be fair enough since it's our team which is responsible for the package)
[14:36] <pitti> certainly not "want"; if you need me to look at them again, I can do in the next weeks or so
[14:36] <pitti> but I already did several times, and it's really not that easy
[14:36] <pitti> and again, the reports are absolutely worthless
[14:36] <pitti> and I can't really reproduce any of those
[14:39] <seb128> pitti, ok, thanks, I will try to see if the apport side fix to ignore those is somewhat not working
[14:39] <seb128> pitti, it might be a better thing to spend time on
[14:39] <seb128> mterry, hey
[14:40] <mterry> seb128, hello
[14:40] <seb128> mterry, how are you? how crazy is your todolist this week?
[14:41] <mterry> seb128, depends how much we want photos lens.  Shepherding that through is my main goal this week
[14:41] <mterry> seb128, I could squeeze something else in
[14:42] <seb128> mterry, ok, so one quick thing
[14:42] <seb128> mterry, can you chase the designers to get the design items on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-q-unity-greeter updated?
[14:43] <mterry> k
[14:43] <seb128> mterry, second thing, is there any chance you could have a look to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/971353 ? psivaa on #ubuntu-release get it in a pretty consistent way and can probably help getting debug infos
[14:43] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 971353 in gnome-settings-daemon "power : gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in gnome_rr_screen_get_dpms_mode " [High,Confirmed]
[14:43] <seb128> mterry, that's a bug that's coming back frequently from qa team since before precise, would be good to get addressed
[14:44] <seb128> jbicha, hey
[14:44] <pitti> yay, glib bent to my will
[14:44] <seb128> pitti, \o/
[14:44] <seb128> pitti, was a code bug or a test bug?
[14:45] <pitti> seb128: about the .dbus-keyring/ one, I'm not yet sure which; it only happens when running under a desktop session, not during package build
[14:45] <pitti> and it's nothing new
[14:45] <pitti> I added some notes about it, but it requires some further debugging
[14:45] <pitti> but .12 builds, runs, tests succeed (https://launchpad.net/~pitti/+archive/ppa/+packages)
[14:45] <pitti> and I rebooted with it, too
[14:46] <pitti> uploading to exp now, so that we can sync after b1 freeze
[14:46] <seb128> pitti, great, thanks
[14:46] <seb128> mterry, feel free to say no for the g-s-d bug if you think you can't squeeze that this week
[14:47] <mterry> seb128, hold on, will look at it in a bit
[14:47] <seb128> mterry, ok
[14:47] <mterry> to see how complex
[14:47] <jbicha> seb128: howdy
[14:47] <seb128> jbicha, how are you?
[14:47] <seb128> jbicha, I made naive changes to gnome-boxes, I might revert those later :p
[14:49] <seb128> jbicha, I though qemu-kvm-spice would work on 32 bits and I reenabled the build for i386 but that turns out to not be working great :p
[14:50] <jbicha> seb128: qemu-kvm-spice isn't built on i386 in quantal
[14:50] <seb128> jbicha, and I changed tracker depends to a recommends since teuf (one of the upstreams) said it should run fine without it, but that turned out to not be totally true due gsettings abort on missing schemas
[14:50] <jbicha> Boxes didn't work that great on amd64 though when I tried it a couple days ago
[14:50] <seb128> jbicha, I noticed that after upload :p it was built but the source and binaries have been deleted as superseded by qemu-linaro
[14:53] <jbicha> yeah, it confused me earlier trying to figure out where qemu-kvm-spice was coming from
[14:54] <seb128> jbicha, I'm trying to see with slangasek if spice should be enabled on 32 bits in qemu-linaro
[14:56] <jbicha> seb128: bug 928432 might be the tracking bug, building qemu-kvm with spice on 32 bit works for Debian but it looks like it needs some work for Ubuntu
[14:56] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 928432 in qemu-linaro "spice backend fails to build on i386 with -Werror" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/928432
[15:00] <pitti> bonne nuit mes amis
[15:00] <seb128> pitti, bonne soirée à toi
[15:01] <seb128> jbicha, where "work" might be turning off Werror ;-)
[15:32] <seb128> kenvandine, chrisccoulson, Ursinha, Laney, mlankhorst, cyphermox, mterry, tkamppeter, robru: it's meeting time if anyone has a topic (none on the wiki so far), also please update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2012-09-04 with things you worked on this week for those who didn't write anything yet
[15:35] <cyphermox> seb128: added my stuff
[15:36] <seb128> cyphermox, thanks
[15:37] <robru> seb128, I can't seem to log in, but I have been working quite closely with barry gutting gwibber all week.
[15:41] <robru> seb128, added my stuff, slooooooooowly
[15:43] <seb128> robru, ok ;-)
[15:43] <seb128> robru, how is the gwibber work going?
[15:44] <robru> seb128, it is actually not bad. There is a lot of spaghetti code that barry and I are hacking through slowly, but the end result is shaping up quite nicely. good test coverage.
[15:44] <seb128> great
[15:44] <robru> seb128, mostly all we have left is to finish the plugins, and then the dispatcher (which was the worst offender for sloppy unmaintainable code)
[15:46] <robru> seb128, I would say I'm about halfways done the dispatcher. Over the weekend I mostly finished off the async job-handling bits of it, today I am working on the dbus service points, tomorrow I'll likely tackle a plugin, and then after that all that needs to get done is to tie everything together with some integration tests.
[15:48] <robru> seb128, oh, and then after that I'll be able to actually start the work I was told to do, which is convert to Dee.SharedModel for the purposes of letting kenvandine progress with his unity lens work ;-)
[15:48] <seb128> robru, finally getting there ;-)
[15:48] <seb128> robru, well I'm sure the efforts spent on that will pay over time
[15:49] <seb128> better code and tested code is always good ;-)
[15:49] <robru> seb128, hell yes, this is going to improve maintainability by a huge amount.
[15:53]  * kenvandine hugs robru
[15:53] <robru> ;-)
[16:08] <jbicha> seb128: could I add looking at bug 1039792 to your to-do list?
[16:08] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1039792 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] ubuntu-default-settings" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1039792
[16:12] <seb128> jbicha, let's see, I'm on holidays in 2 days, it was uploaded before the freeze so you probably just a review for it, maybe ask on #ubuntu-release?
[16:15] <jbicha> is it ok with the Desktop Team moving those settings to a separate package?
[16:15] <jbicha> once ubuntu-desktop depends on the package, we can drop the gsettings overrides from the individual packages
[16:15] <seb128> jbicha, yes, didn't I suggest that at UDS? ;-) In any case it makes sense
[16:15] <jbicha> Laney: do you want to review? ^
[16:16] <jbicha> seb128: it's a good idea :)
[16:21] <Laney> jbicha: I can't do NEW, so no :P
[16:24] <seb128> Laney, is that fine to NEW on principle, no need of a FFe or release team approval?
[16:25] <Laney> ah, yes, it needs that
[16:33] <davidcalle> mterry, are you around?
[16:33] <mterry> davidcalle, yup!
[16:34] <davidcalle> mterry, thanks a lot! Do you want me to port to oauthlib? I have time for it tomorrow.
[16:35] <mterry> davidcalle, I could also look at it.  Have you started at all?
[16:35] <davidcalle> mterry, no
[16:36] <mterry> davidcalle, OK, if I get to it and make any progress, I'll comment in the bug
[16:36] <mterry> davidcalle, is there a new upstream release?
[16:36] <mterry> davidcalle, with the flickr secure stuff
[16:36] <davidcalle> mterry, lp:unity-lens-photos is about to see a new release, so it could wait for the port
[16:36] <mterry> davidcalle, OK
[16:37] <mterry> Right, I can just file a merge if I make progress.  OK
[16:37] <davidcalle> mterry, ok. And yes, the flickr secure fix is in.
[16:37] <mterry> cool
[16:50] <cyphermox> brb, going to vote for a new prime sinister of quebec
[17:22] <mterry> pitti, just FYI, the fix for the update-manager jenkins failure is in trunk
[17:22] <mterry> (don't know how closely you've been following, but we accidentally broke a test)
[17:23] <seb128> mterry, do you know if " [dylanmccall] Group update package details: INPROGRESS" is still happening this cycle?
[17:23] <mterry> seb128, seems like no
[17:23] <mterry> seb128, next cycle, maybe I can pick it up
[17:24] <seb128> mterry, ok, do you know if dylan does IRC?
[17:24] <seb128> mterry, I wonder if I should ping him or just set to POSTPONED
[17:24] <mterry> seb128, sometimes does as dylan-m
[17:25] <mterry> seb128, at this point, it'd be a FFe/UIFe and all that
[17:25] <mterry> as you know of course  :)
[17:25] <mterry> Just saying, might as well presume POSTPONED
[17:25] <mterry> seb128, ^
[17:26] <seb128> mterry, yeah, I was checking my IRC logs, he didn't connect (while I was online) for 1.5 weeks so let's assume I will not catch him on IRC today and postpone that
[17:27] <mterry> seb128, I poked the design folks about unity-greeter, will let you know.  I also assigned that crasher to me
[17:27] <seb128> mterry, excellent, thanks!
[17:43] <ricotz> seb128, hi :)
[17:43] <seb128> ricotz, hey, how are you?
[17:43] <ricotz> seb128, just a small question ;), do you dare to update webkit to 1.9.90?
[17:43] <ricotz> seb128, i am fine, thanks, just libreoffice gives me headaches
[17:44] <seb128> ricotz, still trying to, I pushed 1.9.91 for testing to the desktop team ppa
[17:44] <ricotz> how are you?
[17:44] <seb128> ricotz, I'm good thanks
[17:44] <ricotz> seb128, oh, nice
[17:44] <seb128> ricotz, 1.9.90 still had api breaks
[17:44] <seb128> ricotz, breaking geary and some other stuff
[17:44] <ricotz> seb128, i see, it is needed for evolution too
[17:46] <cyphermox> Yup
[17:46] <ricotz> seb128, thanks
[17:46] <seb128> ricotz, yw
[17:46] <seb128> but I still need to resolve the amd64 issues
[17:46] <seb128> it fails on truncated .a file
[17:47] <cyphermox> Need to fix some issues with website in evo
[17:47] <seb128> not sure if that hit some binutils bugs or builder limitation :-(
[17:47] <seb128> they build fine on i386 though
[17:47] <cyphermox> I mean webkit
[17:49] <jbicha> ricotz: do you think cogl is nearly stable or will they do another soname bump this cycle?
[17:50] <ricotz> jbicha, hi, sounds like a million-dollar questions, the past suggests this isnt sure :\ -- so definitely maybe
[18:33] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, burning leather isn't the nicest smell in the world
[18:33] <larsu> your chair caught fire?
[18:34] <chrisccoulson> larsu, hah. no, i just took a drill to my leather belt, and it started smoking as i was drilling through it :)
[18:36] <larsu> heh
[20:39] <mterry> davidcalle, I see you merged and released 0.4?  Any reason for me to not package it up now and put it in my PPA?
[20:40] <sebdebug> davidcalle, mterry: universe packages can just be uploaded to quantal they will accept those
[20:41] <davidcalle> mterry, should be fine, you have an up to date packaging on the branch named "daily-ppa". Just needs the oauthlib dep.
[20:42] <seb128> bah, this irc client stored my debug config
[20:42] <larsu> seb128, still awake?
[20:42] <larsu> ts ts ts
[20:43] <mterry> seb128, FF is for universe too, as far as I recall
[20:43] <seb128> larsu, I'm sebdebug, who are you?
[20:43] <larsu> haha
[20:43] <seb128> mterry, oh, I didn't know this update had features, ignore me
[20:44] <larsu> seb128, my webapps branch was merged! \o
[20:44] <mterry> seb128, I haven't looked yet, but I thought it did.  Will check
[20:44] <seb128> larsu, congrats!
[20:45] <seb128> larsu, I'm slacking behind on the stuff I want to port still
[20:45] <seb128> larsu, did you plan to do liferea before quantal btw or should I add that to my list?
[20:45] <davidcalle> mterry, https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-lens-photos/+bug/1043217
[20:45] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1043217 in unity-lens-photos "FFe: Picasa support" [Undecided,Fix committed]
[20:47] <larsu> seb128, I'll do it after the most critical messaging menu bugs are ironed out, which should be when all my merge requests land
[20:47] <larsu> expect 12.10.3 end of the week or early next week ;)
[20:54] <micahg> seb128: are there plans to fix the schema and fontconfig warnings that are experienced on upgrade?
[20:54] <micahg> *precise -> quantal upgrade
[20:57] <seb128> micahg, dunno, do you plan to fix some? or do you expect those who uploads a lib which points buggy packages to fix all those buggy package just because they did some work by helping updating a lib?
[21:01] <mterry> The schema issues are really an upstream thing, they need to migrate paths to avoid it
[21:02] <mterry> I'm not sure why we bother showing them
[21:02] <micahg> seb128: having many screenfuls of these warnings scroll by on upgrade certainly doesn't give me a warm fuzzy feeling about the quality of the release, I was hoping there were desktop plans to fix these issues, if not, I'll file bugs based on my logs and see what I can fix, I've already filed a few other bugs I saw
[21:02] <mterry> I guess it's part of the compile step
[21:03] <seb128> micahg, we already have bug filed thanks, what we lack is patches filed ;()
[21:03] <seb128> ;-)
[21:03] <seb128> micahg, and users use graphical tools mostly and don't see those, but yeah, we plan to address those before release or quiet the warning for the lib side
[21:04] <xnox> micahg: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fonts-unfonts-core/+bug/1034928
[21:04] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1034928 in fonts-unfonts-core "Fontconfig warning: Having multiple values in <test> isn't supported and may not works as expected" [Undecided,In progress]
[21:04] <xnox> micahg: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/BugFixingInitiative#Fontconfig_warnings
[21:04] <seb128> mterry, "we" is upstream in this case, it makes sense to bother a bit people in unstable version about such issue, give some insensitive to get them fixed
[21:05] <seb128> mterry, I'm fine with some stdout noise in unstable serie, we will turn off the warnings before release
[21:05] <mterry> seb128, we're not upstream for a lot of the schema warnings
[21:05] <mterry> seb128, yar, OK
[21:06] <micahg> sure, but it makes more sense as a build time warning than an install warning (I guess the schemas aren't compiled until install?)
[21:06] <mterry> seb128, I guess my point was that even in an unstable distro release, the people seeing those warnings aren't upstream
[21:06] <mterry> micahg, right, as a dpkg hook
[21:06] <seb128> micahg, you can't know a glib build what schemas are in the archive and which ones have incorrect usage of schemas
[21:06] <mterry> The fontconfig warnings though...  that does seem on our plate a bit, since that's easier to patch
[21:07] <seb128> mterry, right, but without those warnings we wouldn't be bothered enough to fix that ;-)
[21:07] <seb128> mterry, and the reason glib upstream is doing it is to reach devs, not especially distro users ... so yeah, we could turn it off
[21:08] <seb128> mterry, I don't feel strongly enough about it to bother before beta2
[21:08] <mterry> Nor I
[21:08] <seb128> mterry, see, if annoys micahg enough that he might contribute a patch so it's a win in some way ;-)
[21:08] <micahg> seb128: so, should I file bugs for each schema that's wrong and make sure the respective upstreams see them?
[21:08] <seb128> if it*
[21:08] <seb128> micahg, we already have bugs, contribute patches if you want to contribute something
[21:09] <micahg> against each package?
[21:09] <seb128> each one shipping a schemas triggering a warning yes
[21:10] <seb128> is the warning not clear about those being buggy? (e.g do we need to improve the wording)
[21:10] <micahg> ok
[21:11] <micahg> it sounds like it'll work fine now, but might stop working in the future
[21:11] <seb128> no
[21:11] <seb128> it's only a warning
[21:12] <seb128> there is no technical issue there, just a best practice and consistency issue
[21:50] <blkperl> is anyone expiercing the dconf-service hanging on login for nfs mounted homedirs
[22:53] <jasoncwarner_> morning TheMuso RAOF robert_ancell and bryce https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2012-09-04 agenda items, if any, and update the highlights.
[23:01]  * bryce waves
[23:01] <RAOF> Yo!
[23:06] <TheMuso> Hey folks.
[23:34] <xnox> bug 1046094
[23:34] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1046094 in ubiquity "Install RELEASE visible in the title bar. Missing API call to set unity menubar name?!" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1046094
[23:34] <xnox> any help / pointers will be appriciated ^^^^


 @tsimonq2 https://packages.ubuntu.com/cosmic/qtdeclarative5-qtquick2-plugin
 left over transitional from 5.9.5
 $ reverse-depends qtdeclarative5-qtquick2-plugin
 twinkle actually has:
 So that package can be safely dropped.
 :)
 It is listed on https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/NBS/ so I hope someone from archive team will clean it up.


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