[05:39] <mike> my aplications drop down is blinking fast and i cant select anythign, anyone know how to fix it?
[05:39] <Phuzion> JoseStefan:  I'm fully capable of downloading entire files from all the sites I try
[05:39] <hondje> tmccrary: it's in libswt3.1-gtk-jni
[05:39] <Tylerdurderner> what is the livecd root password?
[05:39] <hondje> mike: This is the gnome panel and not something else, right?
[05:40] <hondje> not gdesklets or something?
[05:40] <Smoked1> Wow this channel is way better than the freebsd channel
[05:40] <Phuzion> Livecd's root account is disabled, there is no root password
[05:40] <Dr_Willis> Tylerdurdener,  there is none..
[05:40] <Crippy-Boy> I think you have to enable root
[05:40] <thoreauputic> Tylerdurdener: there isn't one
[05:40] <adcuritn> Dr_Willis, how can I disable this, I'm using a really old serial console and it when I Ls in ~ is shows 0m01:34Desktop0m
[05:40] <mike> hondje:  yes its in the gnome panel
[05:40] <tmccrary> hondje: you RULE, thank you! I say that lib but didn't make the connection! Awesome!
[05:40] <JoseStefan> Phuzion, you can still use sudo
[05:40] <thoreauputic> Tylerdurdener: just do sudo <command>
[05:40] <Dr_Willis> adcuritn,  try the ls man pages.. and notice the --nocolor option. :)
[05:40] <hondje> tmccrary: No problem :)
[05:40] <Phuzion> JoseStefan:  Hold on, something's up
[05:40] <Smoked1> Are there any options durring the install that will let me use KDE instead of gnome?
[05:40] <Phuzion> wget can't get google.com/index.html
[05:40] <Tylerdurderner> thanks thoreaputic
[05:40] <JoseStefan> hmm
[05:40] <thoreauputic> Tylerdurdener: sudo -i  for a root shell
[05:41] <mike> Smoked1: u need to download kubuntu for kde
[05:41] <eyequeue> Smoked1, use the kubuntu cds
[05:41] <Phuzion> Smoked1:  You'll have to install the Kubuntu package after installing
[05:41] <micah_hainline> Can anyone even point me in the right direction?  I'm kind of lost with it.
[05:41] <CorpseFeeder> D-LInk DWL-G510 Rev C (Australian model) RT61 chipset. Is supported under Linux with driver from RaLink website RT61_Linux_STA_Drv<IP_ADDRESS> and firmware RT61_Firmware_Ver1.2 This card supports WPA-PSK encryption - I can't work out how to get the damned thing set up under Ubuntu. If anyone can help please do as I've spent almost a week on this problem so far.
[05:41] <hondje> mike: Have you restarted X? That's a strange problem to be having, and would probably take a bit of debugging to find
[05:41] <mike> hondje:  any ideas on how to fix it?
[05:41] <JoseStefan> Phuzion, lets try to wget something on archive.ubuntu.com, i'll give you a full link
[05:41] <Dr_Willis> adcuritn,  or look at 'ls --help' at the bottom of the info
[05:41] <Juul> i really want to use a 2.6.16+ kernel but the latest in dapper is 2.6.15, is there a 2.6.16+ kernel with the dapper patches already applied out there somwhere? or can i get the dapper patchset somewhere and apply it to a vanilla linux kernel?
[05:41] <Phuzion> JoseStefan:  Mind doing this through PM?
[05:41] <mike> hondje:  how shoudl i restart x? by logging out and back in?
[05:41] <Smoked1> Thanks guys. Is it just as good as the gnome install?
[05:41] <thoreauputic> mike: that will do it, yes
[05:41] <JoseStefan> Phuzion, not registered on this side
[05:41] <hondje> mike: well, you'd have to go an extra step and ctrl-alt-backspace after you logged out
[05:41] <eyequeue> Smoked1, no
[05:42] <JoseStefan> Phuzion, you can make your own channel though
[05:42] <Phuzion> JoseStefan:  What?
[05:42] <Smoked1> Or is ubuntu primarly focused at gnome?
[05:42] <thoreauputic> mike: unless you are in a tty
[05:42] <JoseStefan> Phuzion, not register = i cant pm
[05:42] <Dr_Willis> Smoked1,  i use KDE on it.
[05:42] <thoreauputic> Smoked1: kubuntu is good
[05:42] <mike> hondje:  whast the ctr=alt-backspace for
[05:42] <Dr_Willis> Smoked1,  and other window managers/de's as well.
[05:42] <bohemian> kubuntu is very good
[05:42] <Dr_Willis> Smoked1,  but most of the docs/guides assume you are using gnome
[05:43] <thoreauputic> fluxbox ftw!
[05:43] <thoreauputic> :D
[05:43] <hondje> mike: that restarts X all the way, logging out just restarts gnome
[05:43] <Crippy-Boy> Yep, Where fluxbuntu? :D
[05:43] <Crippy-Boy> where's*
[05:43] <Zanth_> good day, two days ago my psu died and so I installed a new one...now, grub won't post anything but a few lines of repeating 9's
[05:43] <Smoked1> I already created the disk for ubuntu. I take it that I can use apt-get to install KDE?
[05:43] <mike> ok so right now do a ctr-alt-backspace ?
[05:43] <sethk> Smoked1, yes
[05:43] <sethk> Smoked1, that's how I do it.
[05:43] <brian98> Why don't they make video drivers easy eh?
[05:43] <brian98> eh?
[05:43] <Smoked1> then all is good and I can try both :?0
[05:43] <hondje> mike: sure, if you're ready to log out
[05:43] <Smoked1> :0
[05:43] <thoreauputic> Smoked1: yes, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[05:43] <Crippy-Boy> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop would be better
[05:43] <mike> hondje:  what will happen after i hit those keys?
[05:43] <Smoked1> sweet
[05:44] <PWill> hondje: it will restart x
[05:44] <Zanth_> is there an easy way to try to laod my system? perahps using a live disc like gnoppix?
[05:44] <mike> hondje:  will  i have to do naythign else?
[05:44] <hondje> mike: You'll log out, the screen will turn black, and then the login screen will appear after it restarts
[05:44] <PWill> mike, rather
[05:44] <Smoked1> I am used to using FreeBSD and have little experince with X
[05:44] <mike> hond and then just log in as normal in the gui
[05:44] <mike> PWill: rather what?
[05:44] <Smoked1> I usually to things from an ssh command line
[05:44] <hondje> mike: Yeah...it's just a shot in the dark, but when gnome-panel starts freaking out that's what I would do.
[05:44] <tmccrary> hondje: I am using eclipse 3.2, so I need a newer version of libswt mozilla. Do you use eclipse or did you search packages?
[05:45] <Deeah> What is the best dapper guide for those cool affects(XGL or AIGLX?), I have an ATI Radeon 9100 card, and the free(libre) OSS driver "ati" works great for me for 3d accel stuff. What is the best guide to get that eye candy?
[05:45] <thoreauputic> gdesklets are crack anyway, IMHO
[05:45] <PWill> mike, i sent a message to hondje, instead of you. i was just saying that pressing ctrl+alt+<backspace> restarts x
[05:45] <hondje> tmccrary: I just did a apt-file search libswt | grep moz
[05:45] <tmccrary> ah, ok.
[05:45] <Smoked1> Are there any linux/ubuntu apps that I should install that a techie/IT Manager would like?
[05:46] <micah_hainline> So guys, if Ubuntu doesn't recognize my sound card, am I pretty much just screwed?  Will I need to actually go buy a better supported card, or is there something I can do about it?
[05:46] <Crippy-Boy> Smoked1: what kind of apps?
[05:46] <thoreauputic> Smoked1: ethereal ? *g*
[05:46] <mike> hondje:  that didnt do anything
[05:46] <PWill> micah_hainline: have you looked at the wiki for support?
[05:46] <micah_hainline> No I haven't
[05:46] <Dr_Willis> micah_hainline,  google for your soundcard/chipset and check the alsa homepage. it may be a work in progress
[05:46] <Smoked1> Exactly, apps like nmap, ethereal
[05:46] <Smoked1> etc.
[05:46] <mike> help with flashing applications drop down, i cant open any applications now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:47] <thoreauputic> Smoked1: all there in the repos
[05:47] <thoreauputic> !info nmap
[05:47] <ubotu> nmap: The Network Mapper. In component main, is extra. Version 4.03-3 (dapper), package size 688 kB, installed size 2380 kB
[05:47] <Smoked1> Sweet
[05:47] <thoreauputic> !info ethereal
[05:47] <ubotu> ethereal: network traffic analyzer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.99.0-1ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 564 kB, installed size 1500 kB
[05:47] <Gevaudan82> Hello all...I was messing aroudn with gnome panels earlier and screwed a few things up...I've got the default setup back now with the menu for open programs down at the bottom as it is in the default install...however there are three dots before the first open program...how do I remove this?
[05:47] <micah_hainline> Thanks Dr Willis and PW.  Do you guys have an address for those?
[05:47] <hondje> mike: hehe, really? that's kinda funny ... okay, press alt-f2 and enter 'gksudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart' and that should work (in theory)
[05:48] <PWill> micah_hainline: i'm cheking, hold on
[05:48] <Crippy-Boy> Sweet, nessus is in the repos
[05:48] <Dr_Willis> micah_hainline,  other then google.com :P no.
[05:48] <brian98> sweet jebus
[05:48] <sethk> Gevaudan82, I think you can right click and delete.  I can't check though; I'm on kde
[05:48] <shadowhywind> anyone have some time to help with some ndiswrapper errors??
[05:48] <brian98> Give me strength
[05:48] <stormchas3r> How do i get gnome updated to 2.16 with synaptic pm?
[05:48] <PWill> micah_hainline: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems
[05:48] <Smoked1> nessus is sweet
[05:48] <thoreauputic> Smoked1: and of course tcpdump is installed by default, afaik
[05:48] <micah_hainline> :P I meant the Alsa page Willis
[05:48] <Smoked1> ice
[05:48] <Smoked1> nice
[05:48] <micah_hainline> I found it but it's down.
[05:48] <thoreauputic> stormchas3r: in edgy
[05:49] <micah_hainline> Sweet.  Thanks P
[05:49] <Gevaudan82> sethk: thanks, i tried that but it deletes the whole window menu...nothing in preferences either :\
[05:49] <stormchas3r> dapper
[05:49] <sethk> thoreauputic, even if it isn't, it would be installed as a dependency of ethereal
[05:49] <thoreauputic> stormchas3r: no, I mean if you want the latest gnome you need edgy
[05:49] <thoreauputic> sethk: true
[05:49] <shadowhywind> anyone? *good with ndiswrapper*
[05:49] <stormchas3r> thoreauputic, ty for the info
[05:49] <Smoked1> One last question before I get flamed.. Will it detect my laptop's centrino CPU and allow me to connect to my wireless network on install?
[05:49] <sethk> Gevaudan82, you can search for it in files in $HOME/.gnome*   (I think it is .gnome-2, but it might be .gnome-2,  do ls -ld .gnome* to see the directory name)
[05:49] <Schalken> is there anywhere where i can download a .deb for gimp 2.4?
[05:49] <vicscandl> ! 64bit > vicscandl
[05:50] <sethk> Gevaudan82, do grep -r in that directory for one of the programs on the list.  that should find the file with the bogus data.
[05:50] <Crippy-Boy> Smoked1: depends on the wireless card.
[05:50] <thoreauputic> Smoked1: that depends on your chipset I guess ( I don't know )
[05:50] <Juul> where can i find the latest ubuntu kernel patches?
[05:50] <Smoked1> This is the only system that I have right now so I will need net access
[05:50] <stormchas3r> What do I need to study to pass the "Ubuntu Certified Professional" Exam?
[05:50] <Smoked1> it's the centrino
[05:50] <sethk> Gevaudan82, of course, you could delete the directory, which would put you precisely where you were the first time you ran gnome
[05:50] <Crippy-Boy> Smoked1: Its fine on my laptop (thinkpad) but the prism chipset works great with linux.
[05:50] <thoreauputic> Smoked1: check the laptop on the wiki
[05:51] <zebedee> smoked1:not if its rtl8180l based
[05:51] <thoreauputic> Smoked1: there's acompatibility chart there
[05:51] <PWill> Schalken: why do you need a deb? isn't it in the repos?
[05:51] <Smoked1> I assume it's at ubuntu.com :0
[05:51] <CorpseFeeder> D-LInk DWL-G510 Rev C (Australian model) RT61 chipset. Is supported under Linux with driver from RaLink website RT61_Linux_STA_Drv<IP_ADDRESS> and firmware RT61_Firmware_Ver1.2 This card supports WPA-PSK encryption - I can't work out how to get the damned thing set up under Ubuntu. If anyone can help please do as I've spent almost a week on this problem so far.
[05:51] <Gevaudan82> sethk: all i have in ~/.gnome is a file gnome-vfs even when doing ls -la ...so your saying if i remove that file or at least move it for the time being and restart gnome things should be ago?
[05:51] <thoreauputic> Smoked1: wiki.ubuntu.com
[05:51] <PWill> Schalken: oh, 2.4. yeah, lemme check.
[05:51] <Crippy-Boy> theres always ndiswrapper
[05:51] <Smoked1> thanks, I can't wait to be rid of this windows shit
[05:52] <zebedee> hooray
[05:52] <sethk> Gevaudan82, yes, but I believe there are two subdirectories related to gnome.  so do   ls -ld .gnome* and delete both (if two show up)
[05:52] <thoreauputic> !docs > Smoked1
[05:52] <Smoked1> I am so tired of it\
[05:52] <sethk> Gevaudan82, if you don't mind returning to pristine
[05:52] <Gevaudan82> sethk: oops nevermind, you were right, should have done .gnome*...it's in gnome2
[05:52] <mike> hondje:  that didnt work either
[05:52] <sethk> Gevaudan82, ah, good.
[05:52] <brian98> on the subjects of laptops I installed a fujitsu siemens s7010 today with ubuntu and it installed EVERYTHING
[05:52] <zebedee> no crashes
[05:52] <brian98> no additional drivers
[05:52] <brian98> even 3d support
[05:52] <Smoked1> I swear there is no way to avoid spyware with windows!
[05:52] <shadowhywind> can anyone help with ndiswrapper errors?
[05:52] <sethk> brian98, sounds good
[05:52] <Smoked1> fragmentation is a nightmware
[05:52] <vicscandl> windows *is* spyware
[05:53] <Crippy-Boy> Hey Smoked1: Just curious, What brought you to ubuntu and not one of the Desktop *BSD's if your familiar with FreeBSD?
[05:53] <zebedee> and slow
[05:53] <PWill> Smoked1: sure there is. don't use it.
[05:53] <PWill> :-P
[05:53] <brian98> sethk: I was blown away
[05:53] <sethk> Smoked1, there is for a day or two, until somebody releases a slightly different exploit  :)
[05:53] <thoreauputic> Smoked1: you're preaching to the choir ;)
[05:53] <brian98> no config required at all!
[05:53] <brian98> I mean
[05:53] <mike> hondje:  any more ideas?
[05:53] <sethk> brian98, I had a similar experience with a fujitsu laptop
[05:53] <Gevaudan82> sethk: just one more thing to clarify...is this going to remove all my shortcuts added in /usr/share/applications, my gdm logo, etc etc...basically anything else besides the panel?
[05:53] <brian98> you wouldn't get that with windows
[05:53] <sethk> brian98, even configured the wireless.
[05:53] <micah_hainline> Grr.  Alsa is down.  I guess I'll have to wait until the website comes back up again before I can trouble shoot this thing.
[05:53] <PWill> sethk: fujitsu makes lappys!?!
[05:53] <Smoked1> Crippy-Boy, I searched google and I found that it is the most compatable with laptops
[05:53] <brian98> in fact bluetooth support wouldnt work under windows
[05:53] <sethk> Gevaudan82, yes.  if you don't want that, then search the files in .gnome2 and find the offending lines
[05:53] <brian98> and it does unduer ubuntu
[05:53] <micah_hainline> Thanks for the help guys, you got me on the right track I think
[05:53] <brian98> amazing
[05:53] <Crippy-Boy> Smoked1: fair enough.
[05:54] <Gevaudan82> sethk: cool thanks again
[05:54] <Neo8750> Xfce 4 Desktop Environment
[05:54] <Neo8750> version <IP_ADDRESS> (Xfce 4.4 RC1)
[05:54] <Neo8750> mmmmm
[05:54] <Crippy-Boy> Heh, ive never had a prob with hardware support with laptop, but then i only have a fairly old thinkpad.
[05:54] <vicscandl> AMD64, 120GB SATA as primary. setup stops @ 5% with an errorbox stating 'Failed to create a filesystem'
[05:54] <Neo8750> how old?
[05:54] <vicscandl> any takers?
[05:55] <brian98> sethk: but then it was reality check time when I got home, I;'ve been having a lot of crashes with my ATI card so I got a nice new Nvidia card out of stock... Installed the nvidia card and jebus
[05:55] <Deeah> I installed "stellarium" to "Applications/Education" are there any other cool adult education programs like that?
[05:55] <mike> help with gnome menue!!!
[05:55] <brian98> why do they make it so feckin awkward to config those drivers
[05:55] <Lilandra> JoseStefan?
[05:55] <Smoked1> Crippy-Boy, also my favorite unix distro is Debian and the compatability of ubuntu mixed with the ability to use apt-get makes my loins drip
[05:55] <Crippy-Boy> Not *THAT* old but certainly not new, P3-M 1.2, 1g ram, wireless.
[05:55] <PWill> mike: what's wrong
[05:55] <JoseStefan> Lilandra?
[05:55] <Lilandra> JoseStefan, well i have cpu, mobo, optical drive, ram
[05:56] <Lilandra> it hasn't crashed yet but it's ... *loading* little white circle is still there
[05:56] <Neo8750> better then my thinkpad that i;m using now
[05:56] <Smoked1> I just hope that I don't piss off# ubuntu with all of my questions after the install :9
[05:56] <JoseStefan> Lilandra, give it a few minutes?
[05:56] <Crippy-Boy> Neo8750: What ya using?
[05:56] <Lilandra> alrighty! :)
[05:56] <vicscandl> is there a chatroom specific for 64bit ubuntu?
[05:56] <Deeah> Smoked1, You won't piss off anyone, they'll just ignore you.
[05:56] <Neo8750> os[Linux 2.6.17-7-386 - Debian testing/unstable]  up[ 13 hours, 21 minutes]  cpu[Pentium III (Coppermine), 547.676 MHz (1096.84 bogomips)]  mem[ 120.83/123.26 MB (98.0%)]  video[ at 1024x768 (32 bits)]
[05:56] <PWill> Smoked1: we're here to help :)
[05:56] <Lilandra> i can't even switch the consoles there
[05:57] <thomas> hey guys, my cron command is still not working. as user i added a bash script to excecute, and it hasn't yet. it is executable. Must it be added as root?what i'm a doing wrong?
[05:57] <zebedee> or try
[05:57] <Boelcke> Anyone here have success with a Creative Zen V mp3 player?  I'm not getting libmtp to even see the thing...
[05:57] <PWill> Boelcke: what music manager are you using?
[05:57] <Smoked1> thomas. I suggest first showing the command
[05:57] <Smoked1> Maybe you missed something
[05:57] <Neo8750> this is a 700 mhz but if i turn speedstep on it overheats and freezes
[05:58] <Crippy-Boy> Nice
[05:58] <JoseStefan> Lilandra, did it panic?
[05:58] <Lilandra> well when i switch i can't see the screen...it's kinda...black and maroon
[05:58] <Neo8750> well i'm going to bed
[05:58] <PWill> 'night
[05:58] <CalcMaster86> hey, i have a question--i've just installed a second hard drive in my computer running ubuntu, and i'm having trouble setting up a file table for it. fdisk -l shows that the computer recognizes the volume as /dev/hde, but even when i mke2fs -j /dev/hde, it will not create a partition table
[05:58] <Schalken> PWill: any gimp 2.4 deb?
[05:58] <BonBonTheJon> anyone have any experience with RIADs on ubuntu
[05:58] <Boelcke> PWill, I manually installed gnomad2 2.8.8, and libmtp 0.0.17.
[05:58] <Lilandra> JoseStefan: i don't think it's panicked because it's still respondingn to mouse moving
[05:59] <Crippy-Boy> I had a problem with heat untill i upgraded the kernel no idea why, Its normally around 40-55 now, Not too bad
[05:59] <zebedee> Neo8750: much ram ?
[05:59] <sethk> CalcMaster86, that command doesn't create a partition table, it creates a file system
[05:59] <Lilandra> is it ctrl+alt+bkspc that refreshes?
[05:59] <PWill> Schalken: no, sorry. only 2.2. You could always buid from source
[05:59] <sethk> run fdisk /dev/hde   to create partitions
[05:59] <thomas> * * * * * postip >/dev/null 2>&1 # , /usr/share/icons/gnome/48x48/mimetypes/gnome-mime-application.png
[05:59] <PWill> it's not hard, we can walk you through it
[05:59] <Schalken> PWill: that never works for me :(
[05:59] <JoseStefan> Lilandra, that restarts x
[05:59] <PWill> Boelcke: try rhythmbox
[05:59] <Lilandra> hmmm
[05:59] <vicscandl> mmmm unix and coffee... good idea...
[05:59] <thomas> Smoked1: hows that look?
[05:59] <sethk> CalcMaster86, then you run mkfs on the partition (or partitions, if you make more than one)
[05:59] <i3d> any app under linux can show a dvd device can support what type of media format?
[06:00] <PWill> Schalken: have you tried with the GIMP 2.4 before?
[06:00] <Schalken> PWill: nope
[06:00] <thomas> i3d: any format supported by your system.
[06:00] <Unix_n_Coffee> rhythmbox is great for dvd or xine :)
[06:00] <CorpseFeeder> should Ubuntu be renamed to Unconfigurabletu? ..or perhaps Unusabletu or Unsetupabletu? ;)
[06:00] <Schalken> PWill: where was that MOTU howto to set up a compiling environment?
[06:00] <i3d> thomas: what do you mean?
[06:00] <Smoked1> thomas, I am not familiar with the binary that you are pointing to
[06:00] <Boelcke> PWill, I haven't tried that.  I suppose I could.  Apparently, theres some issue with these mtp mp3 players (mtp is some microsoft file transfer thingy).  They don't show up as regular usb devices...
[06:00] <Smoked1> sorry
[06:01] <PWill> Schalken: run this command: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[06:01] <Schalken> CorpseFeeder: whats the problem?
[06:01] <thomas> Smoked1: i said it is a bash script, it is executable, and i know for a fact it works. If i enter the command in terminal it works.
[06:01] <CalcMaster86> sethk, the swap partition is just like virtual memory in windows, right? it's a place to write temporarily to instead of ram... so i shouldn't need another swap partition, right?
[06:01] <CorpseFeeder> can't setup wireless card
[06:01] <thomas> Smoked1: if terminal can execute it, shouldn't cron be able to?
[06:01] <thomas> !wireless
[06:01] <mtholdenss> how can we get the gnome updates?
[06:01] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[06:02] <Schalken> CorpseFeeder: is it in the supported card list?
[06:02] <CorpseFeeder> no
[06:02] <Lilandra> what is sstart ubuntu in safe graphcis mode?
[06:02] <CorpseFeeder> D-LInk DWL-G510 Rev C (Australian model) RT61 chipset. Is supported under Linux with driver from RaLink website RT61_Linux_STA_Drv<IP_ADDRESS> and firmware RT61_Firmware_Ver1.2 This card supports WPA-PSK encryption - I can't work out how to get the damned thing set up under Ubuntu. If anyone can help please do as I've spent almost a week on this problem so far.
[06:02] <Schalken> PWill: thanks, downloading...
[06:02] <thomas> mtholdenss: sudo apt-get update & sudo apt-get upgrade
[06:02] <Unix_n_Coffee> mytholdenss sudo apt-get update
[06:02] <Smoked1> Have you checked /var/messages just to see if there are permissions issues?
[06:02] <thomas> Smoked1: do you know why cron wouldn't be able to execute it?
[06:03] <adam> Hi. What's a good way to install gvim7 on Ubuntu Dapper 6.06
[06:03] <adam> +?
[06:03] <mtholdenss> is new gnome really good, any new features?
[06:03] <PWill> thomas: there was a cron update 2 days ago...
[06:03] <maple1> how do I download porn on ubuntu?
[06:04] <Deeah> What is the best dapper guide for those cool affects(XGL or AIGLX?), I have an ATI Radeon 9100 card, and the free(libre) OSS driver "ati" works great for me for 3d accel stuff. What is the best guide to get that eye candy?
[06:04] <PWill> thomas: does cron work with any other commands?
[06:04] <thomas> PWill: its set to execute 2 days?
[06:04] <Smoked1> if the user that the crontab belongs to does not have rights to the bash file or what the bash file is doing it won't work
[06:04] <sethk> adam, build from source
[06:04] <Schalken> PWill: okay now can i download the source and do the compile thing?
[06:04] <Deeah> maple1, Use pornotube.com not youtube
[06:04] <PWill> hahahahahah
[06:04] <JoseStefan> maple1: man wget
[06:04] <adam> adam: seriously?  I'd much rather let apt manage it...
[06:04] <Dr_Willis> maple1, www.fbi.gov has plenty
[06:04] <thomas> OHHH thankyou Smoked1.
[06:04] <thomas> durr ehh
[06:04] <thomas> i thought i had more sense than that.
[06:04] <PWill> Schalken: yep
[06:04] <adam> sethk: seriously?  I'd much rather let apt manage it...
[06:04] <mtholdenss> mapl1 watch what u ask for here..
[06:04] <thomas> cheers.
[06:05] <maple1> how about ubuntu-calendar?\
[06:05] <sethk> adam, I don't think there is a binary of v7 yet.  Does synaptic show it as an available package?
[06:05] <adam> sethk: nope, but it's a freshly installed Ubuntu, maybe I should add some repos?
[06:05] <mtholdenss> how do u know if we got the latest gnome?
[06:05] <Smoked1> thomas, sorry this is my first time in #ubuntu. Just trying to help where I can but will STFU till I have been here longer as I don't know who people are.
[06:05] <sethk> adam, might have to uncomment some.
[06:05] <PWill> mtholdenss: go to system>about gnome
[06:06] <sethk> adam, but I haven't seen a binary of v7.  is there something in v7 that you need that isn't in v6?
[06:06] <xHitSx> como entro num canal brasileiro??
[06:06] <adam> sethk: sure: OmniCompletion, spell checking...
[06:06] <sethk> !br
[06:06] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[06:06] <Lilandra> JoseStefan
[06:06] <sethk> adam, vim isn't difficult to build, I've done it many times.
[06:06] <Lilandra> I booted into safegraphcis mode
[06:07] <Unix_n_Coffee> lol some hackers made windows xp live  i was amazed by it
[06:07] <JoseStefan> Lilandra, never used that :/
[06:07] <Lilandra> lol :)
[06:07] <PWill> Unix_n_Coffee: wait, what?
[06:07] <adam> sethk: yeah, I just don't like the idea. I have bad experience with building stuff myself then maintaining over a long period of time.
[06:07] <Unix_n_Coffee> Pwill windows xp on a cd thats live like ubuntu is :)
[06:07] <PWill> Unix_n_Coffee: oh. heh.
[06:07] <Lilandra> JoseStefan, error message: The gnome session manager has crashed due to a fatal error (seg fault). when you close this dialog all apps will close and session will exit
[06:07] <Unix_n_Coffee> i hate windows never will go back i thought it was cool tho
[06:07] <sethk> adam, unfortunately, sometimes it's the only way.
[06:07] <Unix_n_Coffee> it was a torrent
[06:08] <PWill> Unix_n_Coffee: i was gonna say... who would want that :P
[06:08] <BHSPitLappy> Unix_n_Coffee, BartPE?
[06:08] <Lilandra> but at least it launched
[06:08] <Schalken> whats the difference between gimp 2.3 and 2.4, when 2.2 is the current stable?
[06:08] <orcdestroyer> hello... I have a big problem... I`ve installed the breezy version of ubuntu and used for some time... but today I was try to use the dapper drake version and of the middle at installation process I press reset
[06:08] <adam> sethk: actually I already found a deb: http://www.freshnet.org/debian/dapper/vim7/
[06:08] <BHSPitLappy> orcdestroyer, why'd you do that.
[06:08] <JoseStefan> Lilandra, either something is wrong with your hardware, or ubuntu doesnt like your hardware
[06:08] <adam> sethk: just wondering if it's the best way or if there's a better one.
[06:08] <orcdestroyer> and right now when I try to enter or access my windows xp... show up some error GRUB error 15
[06:08] <eyequeue> debian/dapper huh? :)
[06:09] <Lilandra> yeah :(
[06:09] <orcdestroyer> BHSPitLappy: scare
[06:09] <Unix_n_Coffee> Hey just a simple question if someones willing to help me out, my laptop is running ubuntu linux awesome for 3 years now my dell desktop isnt working with the sound in amarok? any ideas
[06:09] <Schalken> orcdestroyer: okay. just go into the live cd, delete the ubuntu partition and reinstall ubuntu.
[06:09] <Unix_n_Coffee> its onboard the sound
[06:09] <PWill> Schalken: nothing, much
[06:09] <BHSPitLappy> Unix_n_Coffee, does amarok look like it's playing?
[06:09] <CorpseFeeder> does anyone else here have a wireless card which uses RT61 chipset?
[06:09] <PWill> Schalken: mostly new features. the stable will be out soon enough
[06:09] <Schalken> PWill: why do they move onto 2.4 when 2.3 isnt stable yet?
[06:10] <orcdestroyer> Schalken: but I have just the dapper drake CDdd
[06:10] <Unix_n_Coffee> yes it does play the sound but with no sound
[06:10] <BHSPitLappy> CorpseFeeder, are you by chance using an airlink card?
[06:10] <Schalken> PWill: i see.
[06:10] <orcdestroyer> not the breezy
[06:10] <Juul> orcdestroyer, or you can use the windows xp cd to go restore the windows master boot record. i'm sure windows support people can help you with that real quick
[06:10] <CorpseFeeder> yes it is airlink
[06:10] <adam> if I have AMD64, do I have to download the special Ubuntu release for it, or can I just get the i386?
[06:10] <PWill> Schalken: well, that's just how development processes work. Mozilla is already working on firefox 3.0, and 2.0 isn't stable
[06:10] <orcdestroyer> ok
[06:10] <eyequeue> adam, either
[06:10] <Schalken> orcdestroyer: you have valuable data in the ubuntu partition?
[06:10] <Unix_n_Coffee> anyone have the same problem or similar problem
[06:11] <orcdestroyer> Schalken: I think so
[06:11] <orcdestroyer> I using the 6.06 LTS version right now
[06:11] <orcdestroyer> but its not installed
[06:11] <orcdestroyer> yet
[06:11] <Juul> Unix_n_Coffee, only amarok?
[06:11] <Juul> Unix_n_Coffee, or all programs?
[06:11] <adam> eyequeue: but if I get the AMD64, then later I have to get only AMD64 deb packages, right?
[06:11] <zebedee> corpsefeeder: has it a rtl 8180l chip in it ?
[06:11] <Unix_n_Coffee> only amarok it seems to be
[06:11] <mtholdenss> maple be careful of porn your isp may have a policy of porn...
[06:12] <CorpseFeeder> no, it is RT61
[06:12] <Juul> Unix_n_Coffee, did it stop working after an upgrade?
[06:12] <Unix_n_Coffee> ubuntu plays its sound in the begging and end of session xmms works just not amarok
[06:12] <Unix_n_Coffee> i am not sure juul
[06:12] <eyequeue> adam, i believe so, but i also know many amd64 users say the i386 work better for them
[06:12] <BHSPitLappy> CorpseFeeder, sorry, but I've tried and tried to get my friends' airlink cards to work for them, but I always end up with a brown screen of deat.
[06:12] <sethk> adam, if you install 64 bit, then yes, you have to use compatible packages
[06:12] <BHSPitLappy> +h
[06:12] <Unix_n_Coffee> kinda strange...
[06:12] <zebedee> different me thinks :-(
[06:12] <sethk> adam, 64 bit is still immature
[06:12] <eyequeue> adam, perhaps best to get their opinions rather than mine :)
[06:12] <mtholdenss> gnome 2.16
[06:13] <adam> eyequeue: how do I do that
[06:13] <Unix_n_Coffee> i love my dell laptop with ubuntu everything works on it :) got the mac os x look
[06:13] <Juul> Unix_n_Coffee, hmm, i don't have amarok, but maybe your system is now using alsa for sound and amarok is still using oss
[06:13] <eyequeue> adam, lurk long enough to see them? :)  i'm not sure
[06:13] <Juul> Unix_n_Coffee, there might be a preference in amarok to select between alsa or oss
[06:13] <adam> sethk: it also appearantly lacks some packages... adding that to your comments, I hardly see the point of the AMD64 release?
[06:13] <darkbutterfly> what is the gnome applet that allows me to use paste bin?
[06:13] <adam> (which I am currently running)
[06:13] <Unix_n_Coffee> yes i tried the preferences in ammarok
[06:14] <Unix_n_Coffee> :| no success
[06:14] <Juul> Unix_n_Coffee, but i haven't tried amarok before so i couldn't say. you can check first if xmms is using oss or alsa for output in preferences
[06:14] <Juul> ah
[06:14] <Unix_n_Coffee> Great idea Juul how would i do that?
[06:14] <vaportrace> Greetings ubuntootians
[06:14] <stormchas3r3> Unix_n_Coffee: how did you get the os x look?
[06:15] <Unix_n_Coffee> stormchas3r3 PM me ;)
[06:15] <vaportrace> any gxiners here?
[06:15] <l33t_n00b> i need some help...
[06:15] <Juul> Unix_n_Coffee, open up xmms, hit ctrl+p this opens up preferences. at the bottom of the dialog an output plugin is selected, is it the alsa plugin?
[06:15] <l33t_n00b> when i try to launch an app, the icon appears then disappears and nothing pops up
[06:15] <Juul> Unix_n_Coffee, also, tell me what: "cat .asoundrc.asoundconf" outputs
[06:18] <vaportrace> GXine? Got Windows Media to play with in firefox but cant get much anything else. Also am wondering if (G)Xine can understand Qtime in firefox.
[06:18] <vaportrace> send links
[06:18] <vaportrace> or good advice
[06:18] <Schalken> how come new app versions dont get into the repos?
[06:18] <VoX> is the samba package broken?
[06:19] <sethk> VoX, not that I know of.  why?
[06:19] <JoseStefan> Vox, no
[06:19] <vaportrace> Arrgh (Clarify)in Ubuntu playing Win Media files
[06:19] <VoX> im trying to install samba and get this error: The following packages have unmet dependencies: samba: Depends: samba-common (= 3.0.22-1ubuntu3) but 3.0.22-1ubuntu3.1 is to be installed
[06:19] <l33t_n00b> Schalken: it takes forever for the new updates to be put in the repos...usually every release they update the versions
[06:20] <JoseStefan> VoX, sounds like repository issues
[06:20] <Schalken> l33t_n00b: what about the universe repo? isnt that supposed to contain the latest ver of ubuntu's apps?
[06:20] <Schalken> l33t_n00b: or was it backports...
[06:20] <VoX> JoseStefan: i've got 3 different repo's listed.. they shouldnt /all/ be busted
[06:20] <vaportrace> OK this is a stupid question. What config file keeps the list of suggested apps to open in gnome when you click a file?
[06:20] <Schalken> im confused :S
[06:20] <hondje> when a release is made, only bugs and security fixes are made, features don't get upgraded.
[06:21] <JoseStefan> Vox, put your sources.list on the !pastebin
[06:21] <vaportrace> Comon ppl I'm dien in the Debian Ref manual
[06:21] <vaportrace> :(
[06:22] <VoX> JoseStefan: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22980
[06:22] <l33t_n00b> Schalken: yeah im confused to
[06:22] <fivre> SO GUYS
[06:22] <Smoked1> Im off to backup my data from my windows box so that I can try ubuntu on my laptop. Evryone wish me luck on this journey because god know things like this never go as planned. :)
[06:22] <fivre> IM WRITIN MY COLLEGE ESSAY ON 4CHAN
[06:22] <l33t_n00b> !backports
[06:22] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[06:22] <brian98> I hate graphics drivers, it's official
[06:22] <brian98> just wanted to share with the group
[06:22] <fivre> oops wrong window
[06:23] <hondje> Something tells me his college is the University of Phoenix....
[06:23] <l33t_n00b> !universe
[06:23] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[06:23] <Deeah> How can I make the gnome panel weather thing show my town? I can't put in my zip, I have to chose from towns already listed. But the closest town is 15 minutes away.
[06:23] <sinisterr> is there a sysinfo app for ubuntu?
[06:23] <bohemian> CorpseFeeder,   you have downloaded http://www.ralinktech.com/drivers/Linux/RT61_Linux_STA_Drv<IP_ADDRESS>.tar.gz  ?
[06:23] <JoseStefan> Vox: ok, i see many problems
[06:23] <zebedee> honjie: lol
[06:23] <VoX> JoseStefan: oh?
[06:23] <mike> help
[06:24] <CorpseFeeder> yes
[06:24] <JoseStefan> Vox: i dont think you should have copies of the same repository, as mirrors can be out of sync
[06:24] <mike> aplication drop down from gnome menue is blinking and dosent work
[06:24] <vaportrace> toss it in mike
[06:24] <CorpseFeeder> D-LInk DWL-G510 Rev C (Australian model) RT61 chipset. Is supported under Linux with driver from RaLink website RT61_Linux_STA_Drv<IP_ADDRESS> and firmware RT61_Firmware_Ver1.2 This card supports WPA-PSK encryption - I can't work out how to get the damned thing set up under Ubuntu. If anyone can help please do as I've spent almost a week on this problem so far.
[06:24] <bohemian> untarred it?
[06:24] <mike> vaportrace:  aplications menus blinks and dosent work
[06:24] <VoX> JoseStefan: hmm point
[06:24] <mike> vaportrace:  when i lcick the drop down menue comes down and just blinks and i cant click anything
[06:25] <bohemian> ie tar -zxfv RT61_Linux_STA_Drv<IP_ADDRESS>.tar.gz
[06:25] <sinisterr> CorpseFeeder: what would it be?
[06:25] <melon> am learning as i go.. so play nice.. .. i'm editing my screen resolution and have tried: sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf but i get "cannot open display (null)"
[06:25] <vaportrace> :?
[06:25] <l33t_n00b> when i try to launch an app, the icon appears then disappears and nothing pops up
[06:25] <melon> what am i doing wrong?
[06:25] <CorpseFeeder> bohemian: yes
[06:25] <JoseStefan> Vox: you also dont have dapper-updates nor dapper-security. Not that they are mandatory, but they are recommended
[06:25] <bohemian> what have you done since?
[06:25] <VoX> JoseStefan: ok, i commented-out all but the archive.ubuntu repo's, still getting the same error
[06:26] <bohemian> have you read the readme file from the archive?
[06:26] <CorpseFeeder> wait.. i find some links to all the howto's I have done
[06:26] <JoseStefan> Vox: you probably had them in the past and have samba references for the dapper-updates and dapper, and have the version problems you are seeing.
[06:26] <vaportrace> mike whens the last time you updated? perhaps you've got partials
[06:26] <cvt> what's the lightest word application?
[06:26] <maple1> MS word
[06:26] <cvt> word processor*
[06:26] <maple1> MS word
[06:26] <VoX> JoseStefan: the system was installed less than 12 hours ago
[06:26] <mike> vaportrace:  i am on edgy
[06:26] <bohemian> CorpseFeeder,   what kernel are you running?
[06:27] <vaportrace> eek
[06:27] <cvt> kword kprocessor kapplication*
[06:27] <maple1> cvt: try Koffice or bloated openoffice
[06:27] <mike> vaportrace:  it started after i fooled around with adesklets and gdesklets
[06:27] <l33t_n00b> i like abiword
[06:27] <maple1> try vim
[06:27] <Mangix> i'm getting issues
 use ndis
[06:27] <cvt> maple1,  i know how to try random apps. i'm looking for the lightest
[06:27] <JoseStefan> Vox: if you would like to have an updated system you should add 2 more lines, one with dapper-updates and another with dapper-security
[06:27] <CorpseFeeder> done everything here http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=132980
[06:27] <Mangix> i can't start up Wolfentein properly
[06:27] <Mangix> help me
[06:27] <maple1> vim
[06:27] <maple1> or gedit\
[06:27] <brian98> unless you want to strangle your wife
[06:27] <Mangix> i even tried sudo
[06:27] <Mangix> nothing works
[06:28] <CorpseFeeder> abd here http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/index.cfm?a=wiki&tag=rt6
[06:28] <Adross> through no fault of its own, ubuntu is using the xgl server by default when I log in. Is there anyway to change this back so gdm is configured to run the standard x server?
[06:28] <b0ysc0ut> how can i update to the new version of gnome 2.16 on depper drake?
[06:28] <maple1> cvt: just pay $1000 for M$ office and run it through wine
[06:28] <BHSPitLappy> bohemian, have you had success with an airlink card? (or another rt61)
[06:29] <vaportrace> mike havn't tried the desklets (assume the web pkg) though recall something about latest version on older ubuntu versions. hmmm
[06:29] <CorpseFeeder> and tried all of this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Rt61WirelessCardsHowTo
[06:29] <bohemian> BHSPitLappy,   I've not even tried
[06:29] <Adross> b0ysc0ut: firstly, scouts rocks. Secondly, you can't, you'll need to install edgy(well, you can, but realistically, you shouldn't)
[06:29] <cvt> maple1,  that's your solution for all of life's problems--just pay
[06:29] <BHSPitLappy> bohemian, ah.
[06:29] <bohemian> CorpseFeeder,   does the card get detected?
[06:29] <maple1> cvt, use kpoker for text
[06:29] <VoX> JoseStefan: ah, yes, dapper-updates did the trick
[06:29] <cvt> maple1,  i'll use wine and steam
[06:29] <JoseStefan> Vox, ok
[06:29] <maple1> use steam console for text
[06:29] <b0ysc0ut> thank u Adross
[06:29] <vaportrace> mike check the desklets site for that info
[06:30] <BHSPitLappy> Adross, scout rocks? are those different from regular rocks?
[06:30] <maple1> then use prntscrn
[06:30] <Adross> BHSPitLappy: never mind
[06:30] <BHSPitLappy> :P
[06:30] <b0ysc0ut> :)
[06:30] <VoX> JoseStefan: many thanks
[06:30] <maple1> cvtm sudo su su su vim sudo sudoedit su sudo root
[06:30] <JoseStefan> BHSPitLappy, scout rocks are the first to fall before an avalanche
[06:30] <BHSPitLappy> JoseStefan, ah, the brave souls.
[06:31] <JoseStefan> Vox, np
[06:31] <Deeah> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/Oirw7b38.html
[06:31] <bohemian> CorpseFeeder,   I would read the ralink linux forums if I were you, and follow the instructions there. they're accessible from the same page you grabbed the filoe from
[06:31] <CorpseFeeder> i don't know if the card is detected or not. sometimes it appears in System>Admin>Networking as Ra0
[06:31] <JoseStefan> BHSPitLappy, Scout Rocks can help save lives! :D
[06:32] <vaportrace> any xine gurus out there twiddlen with the MS, Qtime & Real codecs?
[06:32] <bohemian> there are about 10 different how tos on how to get that particular card working in different environs
[06:32] <bohemian> CorpseFeeder,   lspci  and see if it is there
[06:32] <Lilandra> how do i reconfigure X?
[06:32] <CorpseFeeder> 0000:02:04.0 Network controller: RaLink: Unknown device 0302
[06:33] <bohemian> that's it!
[06:33] <CorpseFeeder> iwconfig outputs...
[06:33] <shawnr_> Anyone know of a tutorial to get ebay's Turbo Lister working under wine ?
[06:33] <CorpseFeeder> ra0       RT61 Wireless  ESSID:""
[06:33] <CorpseFeeder>           Mode:Auto  Frequency:11 MHz  Bit Rate=54 Mb/s
[06:33] <CorpseFeeder>           RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
[06:33] <CorpseFeeder>           Link Quality=0/100  Signal level:-121 dBm  Noise level:-111 dBm
[06:33] <CorpseFeeder>           Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
[06:33] <CorpseFeeder>           Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:0
[06:33] <NickGarvey> !paste > CorpseFeeder
[06:34] <bohemian> indeed
[06:34] <bohemian> what does ifconfig show  (Iuse the pastebin)
[06:34] <bohemian> actually CorpseFeeder   join #sajdhf
[06:34] <bohemian> that will be easier
[06:36] <vaportrace> Xine codecs anyone? Got the MPlayer-w32codecs-1.0rc1-svn19294.i586.rpm working for totem in firefox but can't get GXine working with it. Any ideas?
[06:36] <l33t_n00b>  i have an app installed but when i click it, nothing happens...so i just ran it in Konsole and it opened but it doesn't respond....anyone know why?
[06:38] <sethk> l33t_n00b, not enough information.  you can attach to it with strace and see what it is doing
[06:38] <etzerd> Hello all
[06:38] <etzerd> ?
[06:39] <l33t_n00b> sethk: so i type in konsole...  sudo wifi-radar | strace ?
[06:39] <etzerd> There is a new Kernel 2.6.17, can I upgrade to that Kernel since my is 2.6.15?
[06:39] <Gevaudan82> how does one set their path, or specifically append to their path in ubuntu...i'm coming from centos where we use /etc/profile.d...what's the equivilant to append to the path affecting all users in ubuntu?
[06:39] <JoseStefan> where is this new kernel?
[06:40] <etzerd> September 8, 2006
[06:40] <etzerd> meaning yesterday
[06:40] <etzerd> If you Google it you will see it
[06:41] <sethk> Gevaudan82, /etc/profile
[06:41] <sethk> Gevaudan82, best not to change that, however
[06:41] <etzerd> My question is, can I upgrade to the new Kernel? If yes what is the command to do so since I'm new to linux.
[06:41] <Asc> 2538
[06:42] <sethk> Gevaudan82, there is also a skel directory used by useradd to construct .bashrc
[06:42] <Gevaudan82> sethk: all i see is a for loop...i'm used to doing something like xport PATH=$PATH:/new/path
[06:42] <sethk> Gevaudan82, you can't rely on /etc/profile being sed
[06:42] <JoseStefan> etzerd, ubuntu 6.06 will always use the 2.6.15 branch
[06:42] <JoseStefan> etzerd, ubuntu 6.10 will have the 2.7.x
[06:42] <sethk> Gevaudan82, use zsh, it has a feature where dups are eliminated from PATH
[06:42] <ApesMa> Has anyone printed a CD w/an Epson Photo Stylus R220? I'm trying (using glabels), following Epson instructions on positioning the CD, but it just sptis the CD out and blinks at me.
[06:43] <etzerd> When is Ubuntu 6.10 will be release if you know?
[06:43] <l33t_n00b> sethk: ok i ran strace
[06:43] <JoseStefan> etzerd, you can only install 'that' kernel manually, aka compile it yourself
[06:43] <ApesMa> etzerd: End of October, I think.
[06:43] <sethk> Gevaudan82, the fact that the file happens to contain a for loop doesn't imply that you can't add an export statement to it
[06:43] <JoseStefan> etzerd, 2006 month 10
[06:43] <sethk> l33t_n00b, and?
[06:43] <eyequeue> etzerd, end of october
[06:43] <littlekiss> hi people
[06:43] <Gevaudan82> bashrc is just for one user though...hmm...i'll look into zsh but at this point i probally better stick to bash as it's what i know and i do some shell scripting for work
[06:43] <etzerd> Great
[06:44] <sethk> Gevaudan82, look at zsh, it is a superset of ksh, like bash, but with much better ksh compatibility
[06:44] <etzerd> Is there a beta for it out there?
[06:44] <Gevaudan82> sethk, thanks again :)
[06:44] <JoseStefan> !tell etzerd about edgy
[06:44] <sethk> Gevaudan82, the scripts will work unchanged in zsh, and it has some great features.   when you have time, look it over
[06:46] <horrork> Specifically what program would you download to play dvd movies, As i can play only the movies that were previously loaded on my linux ?
[06:46] <Nullifi3d> lo
[06:46] <Nullifi3d> need help with a couple things
[06:47] <horrork> eno huh?
[06:47] <l33t_n00b> sethk: im seeing alot of errors relating to no such file or directory
[06:48] <shawnr_> Anyone know of a tutorial to get ebay's Turbo Lister working under wine ?
[06:48] <horrork> Purely just for the purpose of playing DVD movies
[06:48] <Phoul> Is there a way to fix a stuck pixel
[06:48] <Phoul> ?
[06:49] <l33t_n00b> phoul: i heard to take a magnet to the stuck pixel and carefully try to revert it
[06:49] <Phoul> ...
[06:49] <Phoul> lmao
[06:49] <Phoul> Yeah sure
[06:49] <horrork> Can someone give me a tip on what program, best for DVD movies!!!!!
[06:50] <l33t_n00b> Phoul: im serious...i read it in maximumPC
[06:50] <Gevaudan82> sethk: out of curiosity, would i be better off creating a symlink to /usr/bin and running the respective script i'm trying to set to path from there...i can't think of a difference but maybe i'm overlooking something?
[06:50] <iLikeSpoons> horrork, what do you mean? It depends on what you like. totem and mplayer are both fine, though I prefer mplayer
[06:51] <Jobberwacky> totem-xine for dvd
[06:51] <sethk> Gevaudan82, I don't see a difference either
[06:51] <horrork> I guess im talking to myself, WELL  i will check it out as i may already have a few programs that run DVD!
[06:52] <sethk> Gevaudan82, a hard link would be better, if both are on the same physical file system
[06:52] <sethk> Gevaudan82, soft links can become dead.  if /usr/bin/xyz   points to /w/xyz, and you delete /w/xyz, /usr/bin/xyz stops working
[06:52] <Gevaudan82> sethk: i guess i spoke too soon...the script requires an ini file be in the same directory
[06:52] <sethk> Gevaudan82, that can't happen with a hard link
[06:52] <sethk> Gevaudan82, ah, ok.
[06:53] <sethk> Gevaudan82, you could link the ini file to, but that's a can of worms you don't want to open.  :)
[06:53] <wabbit> Can I make compiz related queries here or is there a specifc channel for that??
[06:53] <sethk> s/to/too/
[06:53] <eyequeue> compiz > wabbit
[06:53] <wabbit> I've depleted the google resource :-(
[06:53] <sethk> wascally, you can ask here
[06:53] <wabbit> oh great
[06:53] <xHitSx> como
[06:53] <xHitSx> entra
[06:53] <wabbit> I followed all the instructions for compiz setup
[06:53] <xHitSx> no
[06:53] <xHitSx> forum
[06:54] <xHitSx> brasileiro
[06:54] <wabbit> but the title bar is not displayed
[06:54] <Nullifi3d> wtf is the default root password
[06:54] <sethk> !br
[06:54] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[06:54] <wabbit> and none of the shortcuts work
[06:54] <xHitSx> ?Q
[06:54] <sethk> Nullifi3d, with the default install options, it isn't set.  you can set it with sudo passwd.  some people advocate using sudo instead of su
[06:54] <xHitSx> alguem me explica?
[06:54] <genoobie> anyone here use xubuntu or thin client stuff?
[06:54] <Gevaudan82> Nullifi3d: your sudo password is the same as the username you set...if you want root type sudo passwd root
[06:55] <DigitalNinja> what is the package that installs all the dev tools like gcc?
[06:55] <sethk> Gevaudan82, by using sudo, the effective user id is root, and so sudo passwd is the same as sudo passwd root
[06:55] <squee> build-essential
[06:55] <wabbit> I also says that gconf is missing. Am I missing out something
[06:55] <DigitalNinja> clear
[06:55] <DigitalNinja> thanks squee
[06:55] <Gevaudan82> honestly sometimes it's just easier to do stuff as root rather than to type sudo for every little thing...i don't look into gnome as root but for command line stuff it can be useful imho
[06:55] <squee> Is ther an equivilant of checkgmail for pop3 accounts?
[06:55] <squee> np ninja
[06:56] <sethk> Gevaudan82, yes, plus I believe that the ubuntu sudo configuration is actually less safe than a more conventional setup.
[06:56] <Nullifi3d> ok next question... which driver should i get for this go x1600
[06:56] <sethk> Gevaudan82, but sudo is  a religious belief
[06:56] <genoobie> okay...here's what I'd like to do...
[06:56] <genoobie> I have a bunch of machines that are pretty old
[06:56] <l33t_n00b> !SUDO
[06:56] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[06:57] <genoobie> I'd like to do one of two things
[06:57] <sethk> as if sudo weren't 35 years old
[06:57] <genoobie> they're mostly PII/64 & 128
[06:58] <wabbit> I'm no sys admin and would really like to have someone help me with the last steps of compiz setup
[06:58] <squee> are there any programs that it in the notification area to notify of pop3 emails?
[06:58] <genoobie> okay...anyone use ubuntu server?
[06:58] <wabbit> I use the dapper dist
[06:58] <squee> wabbit: where are you at?
[06:58] <ISOLATEDViRuS> ok
[06:58] <wabbit> bangalore
[06:58] <ISOLATEDViRuS> apparently my thing sees something
[06:58] <ISOLATEDViRuS> ...
[06:58] <ISOLATEDViRuS> ok let me rphrase
[06:58] <squee> wabbit: er, i meant in setting up compiz
[06:58] <genoobie> I guess that's a no...
[06:59] <ISOLATEDViRuS> apparently ubuntu has detected the drive i tried to mount, and when i try to mount it says only root can.
[06:59] <ISOLATEDViRuS> what is the command to mount the drive?
[06:59] <wabbit> when I execute the toggle display
[06:59] <wabbit> the title bar disappears
[06:59] <wabbit> I mean toggle compiz
[06:59] <Gevaudan82> only root can mount...create a directory and type mount /dev/thedevicename /mnt/mycreateddir
[07:00] <squee> wabit: what video card?  What repos are you using? XGL or AIGLX?
[07:00] <wabbit> and none of the shortcuts work
[07:00] <wabbit> Nvidia Geforce Go 7400
[07:00] <wabbit> XGL
[07:01] <ISOLATEDViRuS> so for example, sudo mount //dgnr/mountage /media/usbdisk  ?
[07:01] <wabbit> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/Xgl these were the instructions I followed
[07:01] <sethk> Gevaudan82, you need options, unless the mount point is in /etc/fstab.  if it is in /etc/fstab, you only need one of the mount point or the device
[07:01] <wabbit> This is what ps -efa shows for XglXgl :1 -fullscreen -ac -accel xv:fbo -accel glx:pbuffer
[07:02] <squee> wabit: hmm, i'm probably not much help then, I only have experience with setting up ATI...
[07:02] <squee> wabit: did you have direct rendering before you went into xgl?  (or can you still log into a normal x session and check?
[07:02] <etzerd> JoseStefan is it safe to install Edgy now.
[07:02] <wabbit> thanks squee
[07:02] <JoseStefan> etzerd, 'safe' is a big word
[07:02] <squee> etzert: i'm not jose, but no.
[07:03] <squee> wabit: not a problem but i didn't do much.  Check around compiz.net
[07:03] <sethk> JoseStefan, it's safe to install it, as long as you don't run it.  :)
[07:03] <Nullifi3d> drivers for go x1600?
[07:04] <JoseStefan> sethk, i dont know
[07:04] <wabbit> squee: I have my windows using nieces with whom I wanted to showoff compiz. Hope I manage to get it to work. bye
[07:05] <sethk> JoseStefan, hard to prove, I'll admit  ...
[07:07] <genoobie> okay....here's my scenario,
[07:07] <sethk> wabbit, neices, not nieces
[07:07] <genoobie> I'd like to setup about 40 older PC's as internet cruising machines + simple word processing
[07:07] <genoobie> I have two options, 1) netboot
[07:08] <genoobie> and setup an ubuntu server
[07:08] <genoobie> or 2) install some distro on the PC's
[07:08] <Nullifi3d> :P
[07:08] <Nullifi3d> anyone willing to help me out with video drivers>
[07:08] <BHSPitLappy> sethk, ?
[07:08] <genoobie> but they're PII's with 64 - 128MB ram
[07:09] <sl021> er.. i need help with connecting ubuntu with a wireless network
[07:09] <genoobie> 6GB HDD's that are probably pushin' five years
[07:09] <genoobie> sl021, ndiswrapper
[07:09] <sl021> ?
[07:09] <thedash> can Ubuntu's archive manager read .daa files?
[07:09] <BHSPitLappy> sethk, did you just counter-correct someone's spelling? :P
[07:09] <genoobie> is there an ubuntu server channel?
[07:10] <BHSPitLappy> sl021, it would really benefit you if you could get a wired connection on that computer temporatily.
[07:10] <BHSPitLappy> and temporarily.
[07:10] <LDS_Trooper> how do I use "Remote Desktop" ?
[07:10] <BHSPitLappy> can you do that?
[07:10] <sl021> hm, ok
[07:10] <sl021> well, i would have to disconnect this one, but w/e
[07:11] <squee_> does anyone know of a good program that checks pop email acounts?  I dont want a full fledged program like evolution but something like checkgmail or gmailnotifier
[07:11] <LDS_Trooper> Remote Desktop gave me a command for the other person to enter...
[07:11] <LDS_Trooper> but where do they enter it?
[07:12] <jake1> what library do i need to play .wma?
[07:12] <jake1> in xmms
[07:13] <squee_> jakel: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper#How_to_install_Multimedia_Player_.28XMMS.29
[07:13] <sinisterr> host[Jasper3]  | os[Linux 2.6.15-23-386 - Debian testing/unstable - Ubuntu DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu ( http://www.ubuntu.com )]  | up[ 2 hours, 27 minutes]  | cpu[Pentium III (Coppermine), 497.695 MHz (995.74 bogomips)]  | batt[charged, 100%]  | chipset[Intel Corporation 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX Host bridge (rev 03)]  | cache[ 256 KB]  | mem[ 246.94/250.24 MB (98.7% [|||||||
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[07:14] <Shadowpillar> jesus, get a better sysinfo script
[07:14] <sinisterr> lol
[07:14] <horrork> Totem plus Mplayer are worth a go, Cheers, Linux does rock!!!!!!!!!!!
[07:15] <BHSPitLappy> it does?? stop the presses!!
[07:16] <genoobie> any ltsp gurus?
[07:16] <brian98> i definitely found a bug
[07:16] <genoobie> or what channel should I check...
[07:16] <brian98> is there a channel?
[07:16] <hondje> hi, genoobie :D
[07:17] <genoobie> holy macaroni!
[07:17] <brian98> If you have a rdp connection open to a windows box and a 3d screensaver kicks in 1 in 5 times x will hang
[07:17] <hondje> hehehe :-)
[07:17] <brian98> but you can still use the rdp session
[07:17] <genoobie> what's up
[07:17] <hondje> Not too much, less than hacking at LTSP problems :)
[07:17] <horrork> I really mean highly usseful technology, that seems to be a good learning curve for all Linux users out there, So i really am not a computer wizz, but i want to get more out of my linux, learn more, explore more and just usse it as best as possible!!!!!!!!
[07:18] <genoobie> I'm trying to mooch off of some ltsp know-how
[07:18] <genoobie> hondje you know?
[07:18] <genoobie> I'm looking at a how-to
[07:18] <genoobie> but I'm not really concerned about how at this point
[07:18] <hondje> No, never played with it, though I did meet some of the devs at the last comdex. Nice guys, very enthusiastic
[07:18] <genoobie> I'm just trying to see what kind of machine would work as a server...
[07:19] <horrork> See ya, linux freaks (LOL) just kidding8-)
[07:19] <genoobie> about 40 machines max...
[07:19] <genoobie> mostly internet cruising, and simple word processing, but without HDD's
[07:19] <genoobie> so a thin client via net boot or USB boot
[07:20] <fyrestrtr> genoobie: anything with 2.4 Ghz or better processor, and 1 GB or better ram, with a fast hdd if you will be running thin clients.
[07:20] <hondje> probably wouldn't need anytning too beefy for that
[07:20] <dfamorato_> genoobie: i dont  remember where i learned this.. but it is recomended tha u use 20 mb of ram at least for each of the remote terminals + 256 for the server
[07:20] <genoobie> okay....so
[07:20] <fyrestrtr> so as I said, 1GB ram or better :)
[07:20] <genoobie> 1GB ram (at least), and some type of fast HDD
[07:20] <dfamorato_> shure u did
[07:21] <dfamorato_> sata at least
[07:21] <genoobie> fyrestrtr, u sure re: proc speed
[07:21] <fyrestrtr> get atleast two network cards.
[07:21] <genoobie> oaky
[07:21] <dfamorato_> gigabit if possible
[07:21] <fyrestrtr> genoobie: yeah, you are not going to be doing a lot of host processing.
[07:21] <jake1> how can i play .wma files?
[07:21] <genoobie> umm...
[07:21] <genoobie> fyrestrtr, why not?
[07:21] <fyrestrtr> only get gigabit if you have a gigabit switch with clients having gigabit network cards, otherwise, its a waste.
[07:21] <dfamorato_> cause u said so
[07:22] <genoobie> clients = 100MB
[07:22] <genoobie> well
[07:22] <fyrestrtr> genoobie: because you'll be setting up thin clients, and thin clients do the processing on themselves, not the host.
[07:22] <genoobie> the clients look mostly like this...
[07:22] <dfamorato_> fyrestrtr: its about 20 buck more
[07:22] <genoobie> PII, 64-128MB ram
[07:22] <fyrestrtr> jake1: install w32codecs from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:23] <fyrestrtr> dfamorato_: that really isn't the point. You could take that $20 and spend it somewhere else, like getting a decent controller for your disks, or a high quality case.
[07:23] <genoobie> fyrestrtr, What needs to be installed on the clients?
[07:23] <genoobie> if anything that is
[07:23] <vicscandl> !sata > vicscandl
[07:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sata - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:23] <BHSPitLappy> if netboot, then nothing...
[07:23] <BHSPitLappy> assuming the nic's in the thin clients are capable
[07:23] <vicscandl> hrm
[07:24] <genoobie> I guess I'm a little unclear, if netboot is OK
[07:24] <fyrestrtr> genoobie: a PXE enabled network card, the ability to boot from said card, processor, and ram. hdd can be there, but its really not required.
[07:24] <genoobie> fyrestrtr, about how much ram on the client side
[07:24] <genoobie> (xubuntu)
[07:24] <fyrestrtr> genoobie: whatever minimum is required for the environment. I'd say between 128-256
[07:24] <fyrestrtr> nothing less than 128.
[07:25] <genoobie> with some simple browser, and word processor
[07:25] <genoobie> fyrestrtr, really?
[07:25] <genoobie> even xfce?
[07:25] <fyrestrtr> you are not setting up 'dumb' terminals, but rather thin clients, and they will need some kind of memory.
[07:25] <fyrestrtr> genoobie: yes, even xfce.
[07:25] <genoobie> urmph...
[07:25] <hondje> Yeah, you don't want to do less than 128 unless you're going to really strip shit down
[07:26] <genoobie> hondje, xfce, dillo (maybe), and some wp
[07:26] <fyrestrtr> if you go will less ram, your users will start complaining ... about 20 minutes into their session.
[07:26] <fyrestrtr> genoobie: if by wp you mean either Abiword or OO, you'll DEFINATELY need some client RAM.
[07:26] <genoobie> fyrestrtr, no way on OO or abiword...
[07:27] <genoobie> fyrestrtr, maybe something like glorified emacs
[07:27] <fyrestrtr> what else do you plan to run?
[07:27] <genoobie> fyrestrtr, that's it
[07:27] <Jobber_wacky> abiword is fine on 256
[07:27] <fyrestrtr> genoobie: emacs? that's it?>
[07:28] <genoobie> no, lightweight browser, lightweight wm and light wp
[07:28] <genoobie> maybe even lighter than xfce
[07:28] <genoobie> twm?
[07:28] <CheekyBoinc> fluxbuntu :o)
[07:29] <fyrestrtr> so lets say you go with fluxbox (that's really lightweight) and emacs or gvim for your wp, and ... dillo.
[07:29] <genoobie> alright...sounds good
[07:29] <fyrestrtr> I think for a better experience, get firefox.
[07:29] <BHSPitLappy> who's the target user here?
[07:29] <genoobie> oaky...
[07:29] <fyrestrtr> a lot more people are familiar with it, than dillo.
[07:29] <Jobber_wacky> try swiftfox
[07:29] <genoobie> say firefox
[07:29] <BHSPitLappy> fyrestrtr, firefox is the OPPOSITE of lightweight.
[07:29] <genoobie> swiftfox
[07:29] <hondje> firefox is a bloated pig
[07:29] <genoobie> :)
[07:29] <fyrestrtr> BHSPitLappy: I know that.
[07:29] <genoobie> true
[07:29] <BHSPitLappy> swiftfox might be a good option.
[07:30] <hondje> swiftfox is a skinny pig
[07:30] <genoobie> okay, these are high school kids
[07:30] <Jobber_wacky> if you want seriously light browser, go with elinks :)
[07:30] <fyrestrtr> but you have to think of the users; memory isn't expensive.
[07:30] <genoobie> well, true
[07:30] <b00m> what's the best keylogger out?
[07:30] <Jobber_wacky> but I doubt any windows user would tolerate elinks
[07:30] <mactenchi> anyone here an ntp expert?
[07:30] <genoobie> but, for the time being, just to get things up and running
[07:31] <fyrestrtr> no one is going to give two hoots that you saved $15 on RAM if everyone is complaining that they can't use the browser to go visit youtube :P
[07:31] <genoobie> we're not talking sophisticated users
[07:31] <genoobie> youtube is blocked
[07:31] <genoobie> :)
[07:31] <fyrestrtr> I'd say you'll be a getting a lot of 'proxy' attempts on that network :P
[07:31] <fyrestrtr> especially if you said its high school kids.
[07:31] <CheekyBoinc> Galeon or Epiphany are also nice "Gecko Engine" Browser
[07:31] <fyrestrtr> they are the most sophisticated users you'll meet.
[07:31] <genoobie> I'm just talking about internet cruising machines for a little bit of research
[07:32] <genoobie> fyrestrtr, yes well perhaps in some high schools...:)
[07:32] <genoobie> urban high schools....not likely
[07:32] <genoobie> okay...
[07:33] <genoobie> fyrestrtr, suppose  we go light
[07:33] <genoobie> swiftfox, fluxobx
[07:33] <fyrestrtr> genoobie: I say get the RAM, and install firefox/swiftfox -- heck, get either of those, with an IE skin. Install a good Host IDS on your server, along with squid, shorewall, vpn and local dns services.
[07:33] <fyrestrtr> well, maybe not a vpn.
[07:33] <genoobie> not necess...
[07:33] <CorpseFeeder> when I type " sudo /sbin/insmod rt61.ko" I get "insmod: error inserting 'rt61.ko': -1 File exists". What does "/sbin/insmod rt61.ko" and why am I getting an error?
[07:34] <genoobie> umm...okay, but fyrestrtr remember 40 machines, $15 ram x 40 = $600
[07:34] <Jobber_wacky> kazehakaze is a light mozilla based browser
[07:34] <CorpseFeeder>  What does "/sbin/insmod rt61.ko" DO? and why am I getting an error?
[07:34] <hondje> CorpseFeeder: insmod loads a module
[07:34] <bohemian> it is already loaded
[07:34] <fyrestrtr> genoobie: good thing for you is, most machines will come with the minimum ram necessary. I don't think anyone sells any machine with less than 256 RAM.
[07:34] <genoobie> so fyrestrtr do you think 64 is ok with flux and swiftfox
[07:34] <BHSPitLappy> Jobber_wacky, what a ridiculous name
[07:35] <genoobie> no fyrestrtr I'm trying to use my legacy equipment
[07:35] <genoobie> I've got 40 machines
[07:35] <Jobber_wacky> BHSPitLappy, it's a foreign name I guess
[07:35] <fyrestrtr> genoobie: hrmm, it could work with 64, but I would seriously consider atleast 128.
[07:35] <fyrestrtr> I once did what you are doing with 96 MB, and it was just usable.
[07:35] <genoobie> okay...I might be able to scare up some ram
[07:35] <CorpseFeeder> ok.. if it's already loaded, I can skip that part of the installation is that right?
[07:35] <hondje> Use epiphany...it works just as well, and it's way lighter
[07:35] <fyrestrtr> genoobie: man, ram is easy to come by, TRUST me ;)
[07:35] <genoobie> epiphany?
[07:36] <genoobie> I might be able to get a hold of 64MB sticks in the district
[07:36] <Jobber_wacky> my bad, it's "kazehakase"
[07:36] <BHSPitLappy> isn't epiphany a mail client
[07:36] <BHSPitLappy> oh
[07:36] <BHSPitLappy> evolution
[07:36] <BHSPitLappy> lol
 back again, umm howcome on synaptic manager then i go to settings repositories then go add the univers and mulitverse are unitcked when i ticked the other day and hit ok and reload now its unticked...
[07:36] <hondje> no, you're probably thinking of evolution
[07:36] <fyrestrtr> BHSPitLappy: errm, no.
[07:36] <bohemian> CorpseFeeder,    remove it before you start
[07:36] <BHSPitLappy> I corrected myself, hush
[07:36] <fyrestrtr> mt_holden_ss: probably the repo servers are down.
[07:36] <genoobie> I don't know if I'll be able to convince the district to spend the money on the server
[07:36] <CorpseFeeder> bohemian, how would I remove this?
[07:37] <bohemian> modprove -r rt61.ko
[07:37] <fyrestrtr> genoobie: why don't you get a local business to sponsor it?
[07:37] <mactenchi> ntp?  anybody?
[07:37] <mt_holden_ss> fyrestrtr i tick it now and hit ok close it , re open and they are unticked..
[07:37] <champ`measure> Hello peeps. I'm new to linux, and I'm trying to install Video Drivers from the internet. Tells me to type "sh Nvidia-blah blah-pkg2.run".....now where the heck am I suppose to type that?
[07:37] <genoobie> hmm...I might be able to...but the local businesses in buffalo are all tapped
[07:38] <michael> in the shell
[07:38] <mt_holden_ss> terminal
[07:38] <michael> yes that
[07:38] <CorpseFeeder> bohemian: bash: modprove: command not found
[07:38] <fyrestrtr> champ`measure: at a console. Hit alt+f2, type gnome-terminal, hit enter, then type the command there.
[07:38] <genoobie> tied
[07:38] <fyrestrtr> CorpseFeeder: its modprobe
[07:38] <bohemian> sorry modprobe
[07:38] <bohemian> my typo
[07:38] <genoobie> fyrestrtr, I would, but local businesses in buffalo are pretty tapped
[07:38] <CorpseFeeder> haha , I see :)
[07:38] <mt_holden_ss> so fyrestrtr what u think is the prob?
[07:38] <fyrestrtr> genoobie: hrmm.
[07:38] <genoobie> besides, the district has money, it's just tied up in bureaucratic bs
[07:39] <knapper> Can someone recommend a good id3 tag editor?
[07:39] <fyrestrtr> mt_holden_ss: first, when you tick them and hit OK, are you hitting Refresh?
[07:39] <vicscandl> fyrestrtr: is there a 64bit ubuntu chatroom?
[07:39] <brendonjt> does anyone here know about wine and can help me out?
[07:39] <CorpseFeeder> bohemian: ermm would you believe "FATAL: Module rt61.ko not found."
[07:39] <fyrestrtr> vicscandl: you are in it :)
[07:39] <mt_holden_ss> fyrestrtr yes i am
[07:39] <genoobie> umm...btw if anyone from the Buffalo Board of Ed is here....just kidding about the bureaucracy...:)
[07:39] <vicscandl> one and the same eh?
[07:39] <bohemian> perhaps
[07:40] <genoobie> well fyrestrtr thanks for the info...
[07:40] <fyrestrtr> mt_holden_ss: then its probably that your repo mirror is down :(
[07:40] <bohemian> did you depmod -a earlier?
[07:40] <michael> latter
[07:40] <fyrestrtr> genoobie: no problem. There are also programs you can install on your server that will give you ghosting features.
[07:40] <mt_holden_ss> how can i fix that, it reloads the packages but its just not ticked when i go back to it tahts my prob
[07:40] <genoobie> ??
[07:40] <vicscandl> fyrestrtr: know of any issues with trying to install the 64 version with a SATA primary?
[07:40] <genoobie> to where?
[07:40] <fyrestrtr> genoobie: incase you do what I did, wipe the machines every two weeks :)
[07:40] <genoobie> oh...gotcha
[07:41] <fyrestrtr> vicscandl: not that I am aware of. Is it e-sata?
[07:41] <fyrestrtr> or SATA II or whatever its called, the new one?
[07:41] <genoobie> so fyrestrtr you think 20MB per PC + 256 for the server, sata (at minimum) and 2.4 GHz, processor...
[07:41] <genoobie> hmm...okay...
[07:41] <vicscandl> fyrestrtr: hrm, not sure, live boot is up, lemme check
[07:41] <CorpseFeeder> not this session, but yesterday I think I depmodded something...
[07:41] <genoobie> take 10 of the 40, turn it into a BEOS cluster
[07:41] <fyrestrtr> genoobie: 20MB what? RAM?
[07:41] <genoobie> :)
[07:42] <mt_holden_ss> fyrestrtr i dunno...
[07:42] <genoobie> yeah...
[07:42] <mt_holden_ss> it reloads teh packages
[07:42] <fyrestrtr> genoobie: ermm, no that most definately will not work. You need at a minimum, 64 RAM.
[07:42] <genoobie> fyrestrtr, no, in the server, 20MB per pc
[07:42] <champ`measure> vicscandl, it came up with the error: no such file or directory
[07:42] <fyrestrtr> oh oh, I misunderstood you.
[07:43] <champ`measure> even though its right on the desktop
[07:43] <vicscandl> champ`measure: failed to create a file system
[07:43] <genoobie> :)
[07:43] <fyrestrtr> genoobie: it could work, but .. try to see if you can get closer to 768 or 1GB on the server.
[07:43] <genoobie> fyrestrtr, what was your setup barely workable at 96
[07:43] <champ`measure> how do I create file system?
[07:43] <CorpseFeeder> The instructions I am following (trying to follow) right now do not mention having to use the depmod command at any point.
[07:43] <fyrestrtr> the more you can squeeze into the server, the better off you'll be.
[07:43] <genoobie> of course...
 mkfs
[07:44] <genoobie> so, the setup
[07:45] <genoobie> flux, swiftfox and what would be a decent wp
[07:45] <fyrestrtr> genoobie: 10 clients, 96 MB RAM each, fluxbox + vim + firefox (swiftfox wasn't around back then). One 14 port switch 10/100 -- server had 768 RAM, 60 GB HDD ATA (SATA wasn't economical back then).
[07:45] <genoobie> fyrestrtr, where was your bottleneck
[07:45] <fyrestrtr> freakin firefox.
[07:45] <genoobie> client or server
[07:45] <genoobie> right...I may not even need a wp
[07:46] <fyrestrtr> the server was fine, never got any server loads on it. It ran DNS, Apache, MySQL.
[07:46] <fyrestrtr> and FTP services.
[07:46] <fyrestrtr> the longest lag was during reboots.
[07:46] <genoobie> this would even be running that heavy a load
[07:46] <genoobie> no web
[07:46] <genoobie> no mysql
[07:46] <genoobie> no ftp
[07:46] <genoobie> maybe ftp
[07:46] <fyrestrtr> yeah but 40 clients ;)
[07:46] <genoobie> okay...
[07:47] <genoobie> true...
[07:47] <genoobie> let me write my colleague, tell him re: server specs, and maybe something might happen
[07:47] <CorpseFeeder> i can't get past the part in these instructions "/sbin/insmod rt61.ko" because it just responds with "insmod: error inserting 'rt61.ko': -1 File exists" and "modprobe -r rt61.ko" just repsonds "FATAL: Module rt61.ko not found"
[07:47] <genoobie> in the meantime, I'll set them up as standalone
[07:47] <fyrestrtr> mind you, my setup never had more than 3 people on it at any given time. If you have 40 clients, but only 5 are ever used concurrently, you are okay with lower specs. But if you have 40 and 25 are being used concurrently, you need better specs.
[07:47] <genoobie> vs thin client
[07:48] <fyrestrtr> genoobie: also research virtual machines.
[07:48] <genoobie> I'll try a few live CD's to see who's got decent HW support for 1998 vintage pc's...
[07:48] <genoobie> eh?
[07:48] <genoobie> virtual machines?
[07:48] <fyrestrtr> yeah.
[07:48] <genoobie> what's the gist...will google in a min
[07:49] <fyrestrtr> get a beefy server, then all you need on a the client, is a remote X session to your server that's got a VM loaded.
[07:49] <fyrestrtr> you don't even need a local hard disk :P
[07:49] <genoobie> hmm...
[07:49] <hondje> wouldn't you have to shell out some cash to EMC though?
[07:50] <hondje> or whoever owns vmware these days
[07:50] <genoobie> emc?
[07:50] <fyrestrtr> hondje: EMC?
[07:50] <CorpseFeeder> what does "FATAL: Module rt61.ko not found" mean?
[07:51] <genoobie> don't x-servers need a fair amount of memory though....and that'd be one helluva server for about 25 to 40 clients
[07:51] <mtholdenss> whats best to have xgl as a session or always on?
[07:51] <genoobie> hondje, I went over some algebra with the kids today....
[07:51] <genoobie> wow...I've actually got a good bunch this year!
[07:52] <hondje> ah, that'll cause you a bit less stress this time around :)
[07:52] <CorpseFeeder> how do I get past this error?
[07:52] <elkbuntu> genoobie, hondje if this is just idle chatter take it to #ubuntu-offtopic please
[07:52] <hantoo> what would be the easiest way to make hibernate/suspend work on laptop? apt-get install acpi stuffs?
[07:52] <genoobie> we solved newton's univ grav law for r and I think I only lost one kid on the way...
[07:52] <genoobie> sorry...
[07:52] <CorpseFeeder> how do I get past the error "insmod: error inserting 'rt61.ko': -1 File exists"
[07:52] <genoobie> fyrestrtr, again, thanks for all the tips
[07:53] <fyrestrtr> no problem, best of luck.
[07:53] <aum> hi - i'm using hibernate/suspend2, because the default hibernate button shipped with ubuntu doesn't work - how can i change the exit/hibernate button so it runs my own hibernate script?
[07:54] <mobuntu> any good utils for monitoring servers for ubuntu
[07:55] <vicscandl> champ`measure: fyi, starting in safe video mode seems to have 'fixed' the problem i was having.
[07:56] <CorpseFeeder> help I am stuck! how do I uninstall a non-existent module so I don't keep getting "insmod: error inserting 'rt61.ko': -1 File exists"?
[07:56] <knapper> Can someone recommend a good id3 tag editor?
[07:59] <sl021> er, now what about nisdwrapper?
[08:00] <CorpseFeeder> Why am I getting both "insmod: error inserting 'rt61.ko': -1 File exists" AND "FATAL: Module rt61.ko not found." Has my computer shat itself? Is the OS buggered? Do I need to re-install the whole Ubuntu OS?
[08:00] <champ`measure> Hello peeps. I'm new to linux, and I'm trying to install Video Drivers from the internet. Tells me to type "sh Nvidia-blah blah-pkg2.run".....I get an Error "No such File or Directory"
[08:01] <mtholdenss> anyone here got gnome 2.14
[08:02] <CheekyBoinc> cd with the Terminal to the directory where you Download Nvidia-blah blah-pkg2.run , then type sh foo.blah-blah.run
[08:02] <mtholdenss> 2.16 i mean
[08:03] <brendonjt> hey there  is there any wine experts here
[08:03] <CorpseFeeder> can anyone tell me why I am getting both "insmod: error inserting 'rt61.ko': -1 File exists" AND "FATAL: Module rt61.ko not found." How can it both exist and not be found?
[08:03] <CheekyBoinc> Wine Experts are here -> #winehq :)
[08:04] <knapper> Where can I get the Book Antiqua font?
[08:04] <BHSPitLappy> actually, they're in #winehacking
[08:04] <BHSPitLappy> but they don't like it when you ask normal questions in there :)
[08:04] <brendonjt> yip  i know  me in there now
[08:04] <champ`measure> CheekyBoinc: cd?
[08:05] <CheekyBoinc> cd = Change directory. A Shell Command
[08:05] <squarepusher> Natalie Portman is hot
[08:05] <CheekyBoinc> :D
[08:05] <sl021> lol
[08:05] <champ`measure> Thanks
[08:05] <champ`measure> that helps i think
[08:06] <fyrestrtr> CorpseFeeder: what are you trying to do?
[08:06] <vicscandl> hfs! ubuntu64 just owned me.
[08:06] <dfamorato_> lol
[08:06] <CheekyBoinc> :)
[08:06] <CorpseFeeder> why isn't there a shell command fesiw? (fix everything so it works)
[08:06] <squarepusher> I just switched to ubuntu from gentoo
[08:07] <squarepusher> CorpseFeeder try rm -Rf /
[08:07] <vicscandl> CorpseFeeder: its called `sudo rm -rf /`
[08:07] <squarepusher> viscandl: hehe
[08:07] <knapper> Natalie Portman is my forum avatar :D
[08:07] <dfamorato_> squarepusher: tired of compiling everything ?
[08:08] <CorpseFeeder> what does rm -rf / do?
[08:08] <vicscandl> CorpseFeeder: try it and find out.
[08:08] <hantoo> i switched from gentoo to ubuntu too
[08:08] <vicscandl> CorpseFeeder: Experience is the best teacher!
[08:08] <hantoo> recently :)
[08:08] <squarepusher> dfamorato_: how'd you know?
[08:09] <vicscandl> video card benchmark software?
[08:09] <CorpseFeeder> it makes my screen scroll up for ages....
[08:09] <squarepusher> hantoo: I did yesterday, and it really did pain me... but it was killing my hardware.  I don't thikn it could do anything. it just said "rm: cannot remove `//usr/share/doc/findutils/README': Permission denied" mostly
[08:12] <vicscandl> CorpseFeeder: good thing you did not sudo that one.. ;)
[08:12] <squarepusher> hantoo: why did you make the switch?
[08:14] <CorpseFeeder> so, can anyone tell me why I am getting both "insmod: error inserting 'rt61.ko': -1 File exists" AND "FATAL: Module rt61.ko not found."
[08:14] <vicscandl> CorpseFeeder: what exactly are you trying to do?
[08:14] <b0ysc0ut> what up.  audio from flash player is spotty -- is there something I'm missing?
[08:14] <CorpseFeeder> I am trying to follow the instructions to install this wireless card
[08:14] <squarepusher> b0ysc0ut: define "spotty"
[08:15] <vicscandl> CorpseFeeder: what card?
[08:15] <torpedo|dog> b0ysc0ut: just FYI, you're not alone.
[08:15] <CorpseFeeder> but it wants me to type "/sbin/insmod rt61.ko" and I can't it won't let me
[08:15] <b0ysc0ut> just played a CD with sound juicer, and am trying to listen to some videos on youtube, but there's no audio
[08:15] <vicscandl> CorpseFeeder: define 'won't let me'
[08:15] <bohemian> CorpseFeeder,   did you depmod -a  ?
[08:16] <CorpseFeeder> it's a D-Link DWL-G510 if that means anything to you.
[08:16] <bohemian> it's a POS is what it is
[08:16] <dfamorato_> squarepusher: compiling is fun.. but not for every single detail on our system..
[08:16] <vicscandl> CorpseFeeder: did you try to see if ubuntu would auto-recognize it from setup?
[08:16] <CorpseFeeder> it won't let me because it just says "insmod: error inserting 'rt61.ko': -1 File exists"
[08:16] <squarepusher> b0ysc0ut: I have the same problem with youtube. I think it may be that their player is using some weird proprietary flash stuff. Didn't work in gentoo for me, either.
[08:16] <CorpseFeeder> ubuntu won't auto recognize it
[08:17] <dfamorato_> squarepusher: sometimes. we just wanna click on something and this click should be enough !
[08:17] <squarepusher> dfamorato_: Right, and I'm not done compiling by any means. Couldn't find a working deb for cmus
[08:17] <b0ysc0ut> squarepusher: besides switching to that 'other' crappy OS to listen to this, have you found a way around it?
[08:17] <squarepusher> b0ysc0ut: video.google.com :)
[08:17] <b0ysc0ut> indeed :)
[08:18] <fiberchunks> b0ysc0ut is a wuss
[08:18] <fiberchunks> har har
[08:18] <squarepusher> dfamorato_: Agreed. But we'll see. One thing I didn't like about fedora back in the day was that updating a package (say apache) would overwrite httpd.conf without warning. etc-update is one thing I'll miss.
[08:19] <fiberchunks> in any event -- squarepusher does it seem to be an arts / alsa / oss thang, or you think (or can definitively state) that it's a flash player thing?
[08:19] <squarepusher> try $alsamixer. If you have a mixer, unmute it and play some mp3. If that works it's probably firefox.
[08:19] <CorpseFeeder> computer won't let me "/sbin/insmod rt61.ko" - says it already exists, but it also won't let me "modprobe -r rt61.ko" - says it doesn't exist. I don't understand
[08:19] <fiberchunks> hmmm, good idea
[08:20] <dfamorato_> squarepusher: indeed its a problem... but when u do MAKE .. MAKE INSTALL, would gentoo overwrite your work ?
[08:20] <squarepusher> CorpseFeeder: I think you want do do an $ lsmod|grep rt61. Is it listed? If not, I hink you want modprobe rt61, not modprobe rt61.ko.
[08:20] <squarepusher> dfamorato_: I don't follow.
[08:20] <mart> hi, i didnt unmount a flash drive propely and now although it detects it, i cannot view it
[08:21] <squarepusher> *think
[08:22] <CorpseFeeder> lsmod|grep rt61. responds with  "rt61                  258656  1"
[08:22] <dfamorato_> squarepusher: u said that fedora sometimes overwrite your confs when u update..... when u compiled anything on gentoo, wouldt it overwrite your work to ?
[08:22] <CorpseFeeder> so does it exist or what?
[08:23] <squarepusher> CorpseFeeder: that means your module is loaded (at some point you should do $ man grep and try to understand as much as you can).So what is your problem exactly?
[08:24] <squarepusher> dfamorato_: no it creates temporary files that you have to manually update by running either etc-update or dispatch-conf. They include incremental diffs, so you can see the changes side-by-side. A pretty enviable system, if you ask me. Makes apt-get seem like chopped liver.
[08:24] <squarepusher> But I am very impressed with adept so far.
[08:24] <CorpseFeeder> i am trying to install this RT61_Linux_STA_Drv<IP_ADDRESS>. drivers from the beginning again because last time I tried I couldn't get it to work.
[08:24] <Deeah> What is a good guide for doing aiglx with an ati 9100(works good with free(libre) OSS ati driver) on a edgy box?(X 7.1)
[08:24] <squarepusher> CorpseFeeder: what is RT61_Linux?
[08:25] <CorpseFeeder> that is the name of the driver file
[08:25] <dfamorato_> squarepusher: nice sh*t ... didnt know that.... diff files on apt would be nice !
[08:25] <squarepusher> CorpseFeeder: no shit! What is the driver for?
[08:25] <squarepusher> dfamorato_: no, that would be gentoo :)
[08:25] <CorpseFeeder> for a wireless network card
[08:25] <squarepusher> CorpseFeeder: which wireless network card...
[08:25] <squarepusher> CorpseFeeder: try to be as specific as possible if you want help.
[08:26] <CorpseFeeder> D-Link DWL-G510 Rev C with RT61 chipset
[08:26] <CorpseFeeder> a PCI card
[08:26] <dfamorato_> lol
[08:26] <squarepusher> CorpseFeeder: ndiswrapper -l
[08:27] <vicscandl> mmmmm ndiswrapper....
[08:27] <RancidLM> hey all has any one here got a working cvscedega running in ubuntu 6.06?
[08:27] <CorpseFeeder> ndiswrapper...
[08:28] <squarepusher> CorpseFeeder: you should read up on the forums. There are a buttload of posts about that exact card.
[08:28] <CorpseFeeder> ...
[08:28] <link_36p> How can i get openGL 1.3?
[08:28] <CreativePony> hiya
[08:28] <SV452> hay all
[08:28] <LinuxCart> hello. does cpufreqd works?
[08:28] <squarepusher> CorpseFeeder: And if you want to use Linux, you really ought to read this--> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[08:28] <LinuxCart> or should I use powernowd?
[08:28] <CorpseFeeder> yes, I've seen the posts on the forum. I think it was my trying to follow the instructions in those posts which has cocked up my system
[08:29] <CreativePony> I have a disk image in a file i'm trying to copy in to my hdb3 partition, using parted, the image is of a full disk not just a partition, so dd wont work for this
[08:29] <SV452> question - where can i look to disable startup stuff that have nothing to do with my system?
[08:29] <squarepusher> CorpseFeeder: probably. I don't use wireless, so I can help with module (un)loading but not with configuring your drivers and stuff. That's a little beyond the scope of my existence at the moment.
[08:30] <squarepusher> CorpseFeeder: it could also be the steady diet of decaying flesh that has cocked up your system.
[08:31] <CreativePony> i'm using the dapper install cd as a live cd to do it.. running parted /dev/hdb, i called cp /path/to/image.img 1 3, and it gave me an "Error: Incorrect magic values in the journal header." message
[08:31] <CreativePony> does anyone know what that means? :/
[08:31] <CorpseFeeder> well, could you tell me how to unload this module so I can start again from the beginnning?
[08:31] <bohemian> CorpseFeeder,   tried modprobe -r tr61
[08:31] <bohemian> without the .ko on the end
[08:31] <bohemian> rt61 even
[08:31] <CorpseFeeder> ok
[08:31] <squarepusher> try $apropos remove module
[08:33] <CorpseFeeder> modprobe command responds "FATAL: Module rt61 is in use." I will try apropos now...
[08:33] <squarepusher> Anyone know ChucK?
[08:33] <bohemian> ifdown ra0
[08:34] <CreativePony> the image contains a HFS+ partition.. just one partition
[08:34] <Deeah> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/jmmN4J70.html
[08:35] <aum> hi - why does update-grub wipe out my own custom dual-boot entries from /boot/grub/menu.lst?
[08:35] <CorpseFeeder> ok, "apropos remove module" gave me a screen full of commands followed by a number in brackets then their definitions
[08:35] <squarepusher> CorpseFeeder: me too
[08:36] <squarepusher> CorpseFeeder: try man apropos. and did you read that link I sent you?
[08:36] <pip> Hello,my mplayer can not play .rmvb file ,why ?
[08:36] <CorpseFeeder> ifdown: failed to open statefile /var/run/network/ifstate: Permission denied
[08:36] <pip> I have just installed it
[08:37] <Healot> you need a Real Media codecs to do that...
[08:37] <Healot> !find realplayer
[08:37] <ubotu> Found: realplayer
[08:37] <pip> Healot, name please ?
[08:37] <CorpseFeeder> squarepusher: not yet, my browser seems to be broken
[08:37] <pip> You mean I should also install realplayer ?
[08:37] <CorpseFeeder> firefox won't launch for some reason
[08:37] <Healot> !info realplayer
[08:37] <ubotu> realplayer: Real Player (installer). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 8.0.11 (dapper), package size 22 kB, installed size 208 kB (Only available for i386)
[08:37] <Healot> !w32codecs
[08:37] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:37] <LinuxCart> Anyone familiar here with laptops?
[08:38] <squarepusher> CorpseFeeder: I see a reinstallation in your future.
[08:38] <pip> but realplayer is not free software ,i dont want
[08:38] <LinuxCart> ..well maybe you could help me by telling me how to get more verbose messages when running a service
[08:38] <Healot> you know it isn't libre
[08:39] <Healot> and yet you need to watch you RealMedia files with it
[08:39] <squarepusher> !info apropos
[08:39] <ubotu> Package apropos does not exist in any distro I know
[08:39] <squarepusher> !man
[08:39] <ubotu> The "man" command brings up the Linux manual pages for the command you're interested in. Try "man intro" at the command line, or see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[08:40] <Tom_Reinke> !video
[08:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about video - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:40] <aum> hi - using dapper - the 'hibernate' button didn't work, so i installed suspend2-enabled kernel and hibernate scripts - works well - now i want to change the desktop 'hibernate' button so it runs my hibernate script - is this possible?
[08:40] <Tom_Reinke> !codecs
[08:40] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:40] <squarepusher> !acpi
[08:40] <ubotu> acpi: displays information on ACPI devices. In component main, is optional. Version 0.09-1 (dapper), package size 10 kB, installed size 72 kB (Only available for i386 ia64 amd64)
[08:41] <BadDolphin> Not meaning to butt in, but I'm trying Ubuntu for the first time (first linux install ever) and Firefox doesn't play vids.  The documentation says to install "totem gstreamer-firefox-plugin" from the Universe Repository.  But there's no such thing listed there.
[08:41] <CorpseFeeder> this computer is rooted and I'm getting nowhere
[08:41] <SV452> hmm
[08:41] <Tom_Reinke> BadDolphin, have you installed your video codecs?
[08:41] <squarepusher> !firefox
[08:41] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[08:42] <BadDolphin> No, I have not gotten to that yet.
[08:42] <Tom_Reinke> and I have a question - How do you install codecs with .wmv support
[08:42] <squarepusher> !firefox
[08:42] <SV452> mplayer?
[08:42] <Deeah> Does anyone know where the compiz.info gpg key is, so I don't get gpg warnings from apt-get
[08:42] <fyrestrtr> Deeah: #xgl
[08:42] <squarepusher> anyone using keychain || gpg-agent?
[08:42] <BHSPitLappy> Tom_Reinke, w32codecs I think is what it's called
[08:43] <pip> Healot, thanks
[08:43] <Tom_Reinke> SV452: Uhh, I need to install some codec's from somewhere.
[08:43] <SV452> question:  can i get a codec to play m4a files or should i just convert to mpr or something ?
[08:43] <squarepusher> Anyone using shorewall?
[08:43] <squarepusher> Any non-newbs here/
[08:43] <SV452> w32codec?
[08:43] <Tom_Reinke> BHSPitLappy: I tried that but I don't know how to install it once I have it on my machine
[08:43] <SV452> that what i use
[08:43] <SV452> i got it with mplayer
[08:43] <Deeah> fyrestrtr, This is aiglx though, not xgl
[08:43] <squarepusher> Where is the ubuntu channel for non-newbies? :)
[08:43] <squarepusher> i.e., ex-gentooers?
[08:43] <pip> SV452, yeah
[08:43] <dfamorato_> =P
[08:43] <jbmigel> #GENTOO
[08:44] <squarepusher> God ubuntu rules
[08:44] <SV452> @ pip: ???
[08:44] <squarepusher> jbmigel: #debian ...?
[08:44] <greed_> What is the method to upgrade to the latest distro using apt?
[08:45] <pip> SV452, it is called w32codecs
[08:45] <squarepusher> greed_: rm -Rf /
[08:45] <SV452> pip: yip
[08:45] <Tom_Reinke> Can someone please run me through, step by step how to install w32codecs?
[08:45] <pip> Tom39Away, are you using ubuntu dapper ?
[08:46] <PHZN2> squarepusher :  Nice try, but I'm not an idiot
[08:46] <Healot> w32codecs is simply Windows Media codecs, you can simply copy and put them sumwhere, that somewhere I forgot
[08:46] <Tom_Reinke> pip: Xubuntu
[08:46] <pip> Tom_Reinke, , are you using ubuntu dapper ?
[08:46] <PHZN2> Now, seriously, is there someone who can help me out here?
[08:46] <SV452> i downloaded mplayer and did a force install - started synaptic and it complained bout broken package and choose fix and synaptic installed all the needed stuff inlc w32codecs
[08:46] <jbmigel> Tom_Reinke http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper
[08:46] <squarepusher> PHZN2: really? I thought all non-idiots know how to type $ man apt-get
[08:47] <pip> Tom39Away, sorry! wrong message
[08:47] <Tom_Reinke> pip: ok.. well, all I know is that I'm using xubuntu
[08:48] <pip> Tom_Reinke, you can easily find it in synaptic package manager and mark it to to install
[08:48] <Tom_Reinke> pip: when I mark it to install it never does.
[08:48] <Tom_Reinke> pip: and when I try to install it manually, I get to the './' part and my terminal doesn't understand that
[08:48] <AstralJava> squarepusher: I understand sometimes working with beginners might be a bit, consuming, but it doesn't mean you can start talking rubbish here. Please refrain from causing trouble, but instead help fixing them if you can. Thank you. :)
[08:48] <SV452> i had that prob - then i manually downloaded and forced it to install
[08:49] <SV452> hold on - i got my .deb packages somewhere
[08:49] <pip> Tom_Reinke, so strange . have you change the permission of w32codecs file you have got
[08:49] <SV452> maybe u'll have more luck with that rather than struggle to compile
[08:49] <squarepusher> AstralJava: and PHZN2 didn't even say thank you. NOW IS THERE SOMEONE HERE WHO CAN REALLY, I MEAN _REALLY_ help me??? :)
[08:49] <Tom_Reinke> pip: how do I check that, would you mind doing this through PM?
[08:50] <bourbon> Any more questions?
[08:50] <AstralJava> squarepusher: You're right, there are those you seem unthankful (?), but still... :) I didn't notice, what kind of a problem are you having? I only saw you helping others.
[08:50] <BadDolphin> Not meaning to butt in, but I'm trying Ubuntu for the first time (first linux install ever) and Firefox doesn't play vids.  The documentation says to install "totem gstreamer-firefox-plugin" from the Universe Repository.  But there's no such thing listed there.   Surely I don't have to install codecs just to see the programs listed in the repositories.
[08:51] <pip> Tom_Reinke, easy,right click on w32codecs file and see the permission ,check there if it is excutable
[08:51] <BadDolphin> I'm able to see lots of stuff in the Universe repository, but no plug-in for firefox video.
[08:51] <CorpseFeeder> i had to reset my computer... everything is mostly back to normal but all my screen preferences, desktop icons and email setup is gone.
[08:51] <jbmigel> VadDolphin this link shows you howto get codecs http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper
[08:51] <pip> Tom_Reinke, I mean see the propertities
[08:52] <ichigo_kun> hello everybody
[08:52] <bourbon> AstralJava: no problems here. I'm just bored, interested to know if anyone else uses Shorewall, ChucK, gnu/screen, irssi or cmus on ubuntu (because I do, and they are awesome!)
[08:52] <BadDolphin> Before I get codecs, don't I need to make the browser even be able to see the player?
[08:52] <bourbon> BadDolphin: Since you're new let me be the first one to tell you that plugins are (probably?) never going to work as well as you'd hoped/expected.
[08:53] <BadDolphin> I guess I just don't see what codecs have to do with software missing from the Universe repository.  Am I missing a key concept?
[08:53] <ichigo_kun> i'm in a big trouble with ubuntu dapper 6.06 LTS
[08:53] <bourbon> The key concept IMHO is that Firefox is a web browser, not a video player.
[08:53] <CorpseFeeder> who was it who told me to do "rm -rf /" or whatever it was??? I think that stuffed up my conmputer.
[08:53] <SV452> @ Tom_Reinke :  hay check this out - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats#w32codecs
[08:53] <champ`measure> How do I edit my Xorg.conf file?
[08:53] <bourbon> champ`measure: $ sudo vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:54] <champ`measure> thanks
[08:54] <jbmigel> wow CorpseFeeder did you really run that?
[08:54] <BadDolphin> Yeah, I know some things won't play, but I really won't wanna keep an OS that, as a rule, won't allow the browser to display ANY vids.  I can live with "some" not working.
[08:54] <CorpseFeeder> yes
[08:54] <ichigo_kun> My usb devices don't work since i've upgrade to dapper 6.60 LTS
[08:54] <bourbon> BadDolphin: what is the file ext you wish to play?
[08:54] <jbmigel> CorpseFeeder that guy was a jerk and your screwed now
[08:55] <CorpseFeeder> apparently it would have been worse if I typed sudo in front.
[08:55] <jbmigel> CorpseFeeder the command you ran deleted all files you have write access too
[08:55] <Tom_Reinke> SV452: Thanks, I'll try that too
[08:55] <jbmigel> yes it could have been worse
[08:55] <SV452> @ Tom_Reinke - they show how to install w32codecs and all
[08:55] <Tom_Reinke> SV452: even if I'm using xubuntu instead of ubuntu?
[08:55] <jbmigel> bourbon i hope your taking note of the damage you have done to CorpseFeeders comp
[08:56] <bourbon> jbmigel: I'm in tears.
[08:56] <Arcad3> where can i get a list of all channels from freenode?
[08:56] <CorpseFeeder> i'm sure you are lol
[08:56] <SV452> @ Tom_Reinke : unless i missed a big lesson - it should work no prob
[08:56] <bourbon> CorpseFeeder: try replacing your normal user with a different one.
[08:57] <bourbon> since my command did not include sudo (as did someone else's) root's files should all still be intact.
[08:57] <CorpseFeeder> i am the normal user? should I get a friend to use my computer instead???
[08:57] <vicscandl> CorpseFeeder: did you seriously run that rm command?
[08:57] <jbmigel> CorpseFeeder i just hope you didnt have any important personal files
[08:57] <bourbon> vicscandl: I can't believe it either
[08:57] <CorpseFeeder> I did run it. I didn't have any important files on this computer
[08:58] <SV452> @ Tom_Reinke : xubuntu i recon is only ur WM that is diff - the underlying system is the same all round -
[08:58] <vicscandl> bourbon: i feel bad tricking a windows user.
[08:58] <bourbon> CorpseFeeder: you may be interested in this link http://gullible.info
[08:58] <SV452> @ Tom_Reinke : Xubuntu is a complete GNU/Linux based system with an Ubuntu base
[08:58] <Tom_Reinke> SV452: thank you very much
[08:58] <bohemian> CorpseFeeder,   you ready to try again?
[08:58] <ichigo_kun> Hi everybody
[08:58] <bourbon> vicscandl: All's fair...
[08:59] <foo> There is no fubuntu or something with fluxbox, right? I like gnome, but I need something light and quick for my laptop. Just wondering.
[08:59] <bourbon> ichigo_kun: HI ichigo_kun
[08:59] <ichigo_kun> could I get some help please
[08:59] <vicscandl> mmm fluxbox is yummy
[08:59] <jbmigel> foo you can do the server install then add fluxbox
[08:59] <BHSPitLappy> foo, fluxbuntu!
[08:59] <CheekyBoinc> Fluxbuntu is in development foo
[08:59] <SV452> flux is cool
[08:59] <bourbon> flux sux
[08:59] <DigitalNinja> can someone search for hacking open suse
[08:59] <ichigo_kun> i got a big trouble since i upgrade to dapper 6.06 LTS
[08:59] <foo> CheekyBoinc: oh, it really is?
[08:59] <foo> nice
[08:59] <DigitalNinja> I need the website
[08:59] <ba> fluxbuntu! that sounds awesome!
[08:59] <ba> yay!
[08:59] <champ`measure> Bourbon: That didn't allow me to do anything
[08:59] <foo> jbmigel: server install? Isn't that.. for, uh, servers?
[08:59] <bourbon> I want to see ratpoisuntu
[08:59] <SV452> hehe
[08:59] <bourbon> or ionuntu
[09:00] <ichigo_kun> my usb devices don't work
[09:00] <DigitalNinja> I would search but I'm beeing filtered
[09:00] <champ`measure> still can't edit my xorg.conf
[09:00] <CheekyBoinc> Yes foo! Take a look http://fluxbuntu.org/
[09:00] <foo> Is it stable?
[09:00] <bourbon> champ`measure: uh... do you know what vim is?
[09:00] <CheekyBoinc> No !
[09:00] <champ`measure> nope
[09:00] <BHSPitLappy> fo0bar, server install is just a minimalistic install.
[09:00] <champ`measure> i'm a noob
[09:00] <CheekyBoinc> There is a early alpha
[09:00] <BHSPitLappy> uhh
[09:00] <BHSPitLappy> sorry
[09:00] <BHSPitLappy> foo, ^
[09:00] <bourbon> Then you need to learn that first, or use a graphical editor like kate or gedit.
[09:00] <jbmigel> foo it just installs with no desktop... then you can install flux
[09:00] <CorpseFeeder> bohemian: I am ready to try again but I don't know if my computer is after all the abuse it has suffered from peple tricking me into wrecking it....
[09:00] <BHSPitLappy> fo0bar, sorry for the highlight.
[09:00] <bourbon> champ`measure: replace vim with gedit in the above
[09:00] <Tom_Reinke> champ`measure: don't do anything burbon tells you to do
[09:01] <vicscandl> well i'll be... thanks CheekyBoinc... never knew there was a flux distro...
[09:01] <bohemian> CorpseFeeder, uname -r to check your kernel version, cd to /lib/modules/kernel version/extra/  , delete rt61.ko  then depmod -a                       then start again
[09:01] <juan> !grub
[09:01] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[09:01] <foo> jbmigel / BHSPitLappy: So it's just a minimal install. Is there anyway to do a minimal install with the desktop edition or no?
[09:01] <bohemian> you need to be root CorpseFeeder   so sudo those commands
[09:01] <bourbon> fo0bar: server install is headless
[09:01] <ichigo_kun> my usb devices don't work since i upgrade from the normal dapper to the LTS version
[09:01] <CheekyBoinc> It will be nice :) Fluxbuntu
[09:01] <BHSPitLappy> foo, I don't think so. download the alternate or server cd.
[09:01] <CorpseFeeder> can we move to another channel so I can keep track of what's going on...
[09:01] <BHSPitLappy> it only takes like half an hour on the torrent
[09:01] <bohemian> #sajdhf
[09:01] <jbmigel> foo sorry im not sure about using the desktop cd
[09:02] <champ`measure> I got into the xorg.conf file, but when i try and save my changes it won't let me. Read Only
[09:02] <foo> BHSPitLappy: eh, lame. No way to even do an advanced mode and select no packages or something? Instead of selecting options you mean it just installs everything? Lame
[09:02] <hantoo> heh
[09:02] <bourbon> champ`measure: type su - and type root password. then type vim /etc...
[09:02] <hantoo> i just grab the server edition and install it
[09:02] <vicscandl> champ`measure: sudo vim <filename>
[09:02] <BHSPitLappy> foo, no package selection. install minimal, and apt your way up.
[09:03] <champ`measure> so when you say vim you mean gedit?
[09:03] <jbmigel> foo you could just install the desktop version, then add flux, then remove gnome... will take a little extra hd space but will work
[09:03] <foo> jbmigel: hm, I see.
[09:03] <bourbon> champ`measure: sudo <arbitrary text editor command> <textfile>
[09:03] <foo> Ubuntu probably installs some goodies, though, eh?
[09:03] <vicscandl> champ`measure: i'm oldschool... its vim, but yea, gedit works for you graphics nuts.. ;)
[09:04] <BHSPitLappy> champ`measure, if I were you, I'd type "/ignore bourbon!*@* ALL" in this window.
[09:04] <bourbon> foo: gnome-crap is one I think
[09:04] <bourbon> BHSPitLappy: what is _your_ problem?
[09:04] <BHSPitLappy> heh
[09:05] <bourbon> I'm happy to assist everyone.
[09:05] <BHSPitLappy> did I do anything to you?
[09:05] <foo> bourbon: ahh, ok.
[09:05] <foo> Hmm.
[09:05] <bourbon> BHSPitLappy: keep my name out your mouth, beeyotch
[09:05] <BHSPitLappy> get a more original name.
[09:05] <foo> So a server install is just a minimal install?
[09:05] <vicscandl> foo: quite
[09:05] <BHSPitLappy> I -happen- to be an alcoholic, so that wouldn't be possible.
[09:05] <BHSPitLappy> foo, right-o
[09:05] <jbmigel> foo that depends on your definition of minimal
[09:06] <foo> jbmigel: debian minimal.
[09:06] <testleper> I think ION3 is the best WM evar.
[09:06] <BHSPitLappy> tiled wm ftw!
[09:06] <testleper> If it weren't written in lua it might be usable.
[09:06] <ichigo_kun> can i have somebody attention for some few minutes
[09:06] <ichigo_kun> please
[09:06] <BHSPitLappy> !ask
[09:06] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[09:06] <atk> Hi. I've used previosly xubuntu and now I installed gnome. For some reason my notify-send doesn't work: it just exits right away without any error and without displaying anything. How to sort it out?
[09:06] <SV452> how do one manage startup stuff for dapper drake?
[09:06] <VoX> hi, i'm having trouble with samba. when i try to connect to my shared directory, i'm getting this error: [2006/09/10 01:54:12, 0]  smbd/service.c:make_connection_snum(592) Can't become connected user!   any ideas?
[09:06] <jbmigel> foo im not sure of the exact packages but that is the idea
[09:06] <vicscandl> anyone have a name for a video card benchmarking program?
[09:07] <fyrestrtr> SV452: use bum
[09:07] <foo> ah
[09:07] <ichigo_kun> my usb devices don't work since i upgrade from the normal dapper to the LTS version so anybody know howto to solve this problem
[09:07] <SV452> bum?
[09:07] <testleper> vicscandl: glxgears
[09:07] <fyrestrtr> !info bum
[09:07] <foo> eh, they should call it minimal install and not server.  In component universe, is optional. Version 2.1.5-1build1 (dapper), package size 74 kB, installed size 484 kB
[09:07] <sethk> VoX, sounds like a process is running as an ordinary user instead of root, and for that reason can't execute an su
[09:07] <SV452> !info bum
[09:07] <ubotu> bum: graphical runlevel editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.1.5-1build1 (dapper), package size 74 kB, installed size 484 kB
[09:07] <testleper> foo: agreed
[09:07] <sethk> VoX, well, the equivalent of an su from within a program, but you get the idea
[09:07] <SV452> awesome
[09:07] <SV452> thanx!
[09:08] <vicscandl> testleper: glxgears, the screensaver?
[09:08] <VoX> sethk: how would that have occured? everything has been installed straight from apt
[09:08] <foo> testleper: Should I stay with debian unstable? I'm debating. Hmm. I run ubuntu on one of my desktops and 2 servers
[09:08] <testleper> it also counts fps.
[09:08] <vicscandl> testleper: ahhh.. thanks.
[09:08] <sethk> VoX, I'm not sure.  did it ever work?
[09:08] <jbmigel> foo i think calling it server is a marketing thing to get people to install it on their servers.... instead of everyone installing minimal deb
[09:08] <VoX> sethk: no. this is a fresh install, not even a day old
[09:08] <foo> jbmigel: I see
[09:09] <pip> Healot, Hi,I have installed Mplayer and  it can play .rmvb movies but a little problem is when I start mplayer to play there comes a window saying :It seems there is no Xvideo support for your video card avaliable!
[09:09] <sethk> VoX, there are only two possibilities.  either it has a problem changing the effective user ID on the linux box, or it is getting an authentication error from the windows box it's trying to talk to.
[09:09] <sethk> VoX, if the latter, it could be as simple as an incorrect windows side password.
[09:09] <VoX> sethk: it's not talking to a windows box.
[09:09] <sethk> what's it talking to?
[09:09] <juan> i did a fake install of ubuntu (Some old 1 i had a livecd for), can i redirect the grub to my newer install so that i can delete the fake 1
[09:09] <VoX> sethk: another ubuntu box
[09:09] <SV452> question - i have a dapper drake install @work (behind proxy/firewall) and need to get packages with synaptic but it can't download them since i get an error proxy auth required and i have to manualy dl with wget - i have my box joined the domain and yet it doesn't work - any ideas ??
[09:10] <sethk> samba is only used to communicate with windows networks
[09:10] <VoX> sethk: uh no
[09:10] <Mez> sethk, hello
[09:10] <testleper> foo: I dunno, I'm new to deb/ubuntu. But I googled around for "ubuntu vs debian" and found some interesting stuff.
[09:10] <sethk> VoX, then you shouldn't be using samba at all.
[09:10] <sethk> Mez, hi
[09:10] <sethk> VoX, uh, yes
[09:10] <jbmigel> SV452 i think the system tab has a network proxy config applet
[09:10] <foo> testleper: I see. What'd you learn?
[09:10] <tj_> while bash scripting, is it possible to store the first line in a slave file, into a variable in the main file?
[09:10] <SV452> i have set that up too
[09:10] <Mez> sethk, sorry, thought you were seth kinasy
[09:10] <SV452> and i have done the whole export proxy_http stuffs too
[09:10] <VoX> sethk: i've been using smb to communicate between linux boxes for a few years
[09:10] <jbmigel> SV452 it didnt help?
[09:11] <sethk> Mez, that's ok, you can say hello
[09:11] <sethk> VoX, I suppose you can, but why?
[09:11] <sethk> VoX, a totally useless layer of inefficiency
[09:11] <SV452> nothing helped - i can dl from terminal but not from gui
[09:11] <testleper> foo: eventually went with ubuntu, because of the general consensus that Debian is disliked for its irregular release schedule and unorganized developers. Supposedly the "corporate structure", not my phrase, of ubuntu is one of its strong points.  Nice
[09:12] <jbmigel> SV452 so download from terminal
[09:12] <sethk> Are you trying to share files?  printers?  or what?
[09:12] <SV452> i have been - but i recon the problem should be solveable
[09:12] <VoX> sethk: share files between numerous linux and windows machines
[09:12] <testleper> That doesn't mean I dislike Debian, just other peoples' opinions. So far I am very impressed. And I did the normal install, which was perhaps the most flawless and usable part of the entire experience---or any Linux experience I have had so far.
[09:12] <sethk> VoX, then you are talking to windows boxes
[09:12] <sethk> VoX, I didn't mean that all the boxes had to be windows boxes, just some
[09:13] <Burgundavia> foo: for the record, there isn't much "debian vs ubuntu". For the most part, the key people in each get along very well.
[09:13] <foo> Burgundavia: Nice
[09:13] <VoX> sethk: yes, but i havent tried to connect to smb with windows yet
[09:13] <BHSPitLappy> that works for me
[09:13] <testleper> Burgundavia: I meant vis-a-vis, not vs.
[09:13] <sethk> VoX, ok, then there has to be a user mismatch between the boxes.  One is a new install, what's the other?
[09:13] <VoX> a new-ish dapper install
[09:13] <VoX> same username
[09:13] <VoX> same pass
[09:14] <sethk> VoX, same UID also?
[09:14] <testleper> VoX: same group?
[09:14] <testleper> VoX: trick question.
[09:14] <VoX> sethk: yes
[09:14] <VoX> testleper: same group?
[09:14] <testleper> Does that even matter? Never used samba here.
[09:14] <sethk> VoX, I don't believe so
[09:14] <sethk> I mean
[09:14] <sethk> testleper, I don't believe so
[09:14] <SV452> any ideas jbmigel ?
[09:15] <testleper> VoX have you looked into fuse or cygwin? Is samba necessary?
[09:15] <jbmigel> SV452 are you using synaptic as "gui"?
[09:16] <atk> Could someone help figuring me out why notify-send doesn't actually output anything and just quits right away?
[09:16] <SV452> yip
[09:16] <juan> i did a fake install of ubuntu (Some old 1 i had a livecd for), can i redirect the grub to my newer install so that i can delete the fake 1?
[09:16] <jbmigel> SV452 there is a network proxy config in synaptics "preferences" sheet
[09:16] <testleper> !notify-send
[09:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about notify-send - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:16] <SV452> i did that too
[09:16] <SV452> hence why i am asking  maybe i missed something - hehehe
[09:17] <jbmigel> SV452 perhaps your password/
[09:17] <testleper> atk: what is notify-send?
[09:17] <testleper> kde user here
[09:17] <VoX> testleper: havent looked at those, no
[09:17] <sethk> SV452,  sniff the packets for both cases, and see what's different about the one that succeeds vs. the one that fails.
[09:17] <SV452> i doubt that
[09:18] <jbmigel> SV452 I note that snaptics proxy configs point to port 3128 or something... do you think your corporate proxy is set up to proxy that? maybe change it to 80
[09:18] <atk> testleper: displays notifications, balloon messages type of messages
[09:18] <SV452> hmmm - i thought that the reason it works for terminal is cause i did the export proxy_http thing
[09:18] <SV452> nope - we use 3128
[09:18] <testleper> atk: is that something you can call directly?
[09:19] <stimfalia> list
[09:19] <stimfalia> lst
[09:19] <SV452> what i mean is our proxy port is 3128 -
[09:19] <sethk> SV452, then why would it work with wget?
[09:19] <jbmigel> SV452 hmmm
[09:20] <testleper> I am going to go play with ChucK now.  http://chuck.cs.princeton.edu/ Goodnight
[09:20] <atk> testleper: Yes. A gnome thing. If you don't know what it is then I'm pretty sure you can't help. I've gotten command and it's options correctly so it has to be some other thing that causes problems.
[09:20] <stimfalia> #list
[09:21] <SV452> i have no idea to be honest
[09:21] <jbmigel> SV452 you said you did the export http_proxy nonsense?
[09:21] <SV452> yip
[09:22] <SV452> for both my domain user( i configured ubuntu to log on to domain) and root
[09:22] <Lucinder> An entire room of computer literate people o.o *picks her jaw up off the floor*..  I feel so out of place.. *leaves*
[09:25] <jbmigel> SV452 does it work if you call synaptic from a console?
[09:25] <SV452> bum rules !
[09:25] <SV452> i tried that
[09:25] <abhinay> how to change the usplash screen to "Ubuntu" (default usplash screen) at booting time .. ?
[09:25] <opexoc> Could anybody tell me how can I download only 1 or 2 updates from ubuntu software updates program because 173 packages are checked to update... so If I want update only 1-or 2 I have to check out 171/172 packages... How can I do it easier?
[09:25] <jbmigel> SV452 did it work then?
[09:25] <SV452> nope
[09:26] <SV452> any recomendation or a checklist
[09:27] <SV452> so i can go monday and check it out
[09:27] <jbmigel> 1. forcibly remove corporate proxy and give free duplex network access to all
[09:27] <McJerry> does anyone know if there is a channel for msicomputers ?  I keep getting a no keyboard detected error on POST and have tried numerous keyboards and have flashed the bios and reset/cleared the bios and keep having the same problem any suggestions?
[09:27] <khnh> hi guys
[09:27] <SV452> @ jbmigel - hehehehe - it doesnt mean i am domain admin i can do that
[09:27] <SV452> hehehehehe
[09:28] <atk> How to find out why my notification-daemon isn't working and if it's running at all?
[09:28] <khnh> can any 1 telll me how to open ports
[09:28] <whazilla> goodmornin
[09:28] <SV452> @ atk - bum ?
[09:28] <whazilla> so i'm still wondering howto mount a lvm with write acces using a live dvd
[09:29] <atk> SV452: a bummer indeed but it isn't run as init service
[09:30] <SV452> @ atk - bum - Boot-Up manager
[09:30] <jbmigel> SV452 http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=454026
[09:30] <SV452> shows what is running and what is not
[09:30] <jbmigel> SV452 looks like a solution at the end
[09:31] <SV452> @ jbmigel - will check it out ...
[09:31] <SV452> my whole thing is to loose my M$ box and only uses ubuntu
[09:32] <whazilla> so nobody ? on howto load lvm in write acces using a live cd ?
[09:33] <abhinay> how to change the usplash screen from kubuntu to ubuntu ?
[09:33] <sethk> whazilla, if it isn't the root file system, you can chroot and then mount it
[09:33] <atk> SV452: "Boot-Up Manager is graphical tool to allow easy configuration of init services in user and system runlevels" - Like I said, not run as init service. Bum is yet another graphical frontend for /etc/rc?.d
[09:34] <bohemian> abhinay,  in synaptic mark ksplash for removal and usplash for reinstallation    (use search to find them)
[09:34] <niceman2> hi
[09:34] <niceman2> ubuntu linux sucks
[09:34] <whazilla> sethk ... isn't the root file ?
[09:34] <jbmigel> thats not very nice man
[09:34] <whazilla> what u mean ... like \ mountpoint and kernel ?
[09:35] <sethk> whazilla, if the lvm volume you want to mount is not the root file system of the disk isntallation
[09:35] <whazilla> cuz it's just that
[09:35] <sethk> whazilla, and \ is an escape character
[09:35] <whazilla> :$
[09:35] <dade`> who has a macbook here ?
[09:35] <sethk> whazilla, why can't you boot it from the disk?
[09:35] <whazilla> i can
[09:35] <whazilla> but i messed up /etc/environment
[09:35] <usama> hi all
[09:35] <sethk> whazilla, then why do you want to mount it from the live cd
[09:35] <whazilla> and need to restore that
[09:36] <whazilla> ... cuz i need a way to restore
[09:36] <usama> how can i make network b/w to PCs?
[09:36] <whazilla> my bash is broken paths
[09:36] <sethk> whazilla, that doesn't matter, you can still run everything by using complete paths
[09:36] <sethk> whazilla, you can mount something and copy /etc/environment in
[09:36] <whazilla> ther not complete
[09:36] <whazilla> i can't ls cd and so on
[09:36] <jbmigel> usama look into samba
[09:36] <sethk> whazilla, you can set your path in the shell
[09:36] <whazilla> k
[09:37] <whazilla> excport = PATH =
[09:37] <sethk> whazilla, just get into a shell, and do    export PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin
[09:37] <usama> jbmigel: no, b/w to linux systems
[09:37] <_pete> hey everybody whats up
[09:37] <whazilla> tyhkx
[09:37] <sethk> whazilla, those four are probably all you need
[09:37] <jbmigel> usama look into nfs
[09:38] <usama> jbmigel: lemme check
[09:38] <_pete> anybody have any eperience with this script :  http://rob.pectol.com/myscripts/encryption.sh.txt    ????
[09:39] <Tom_Reinke> How to I force an application to stop?
[09:39] <Tom_Reinke> like.. close it
[09:39] <jbmigel> ctrl-c
[09:39] <_pete> im having trouble with the files that creates and usb thumbdrives
[09:39] <Tom_Reinke> jbmigel: funny
[09:39] <ofer> I can not hear any sound althouth the sound card is seem to be set
[09:40] <nosse> I have laptop with a really annoying touchpad, how can I disable it?
[09:40] <_pete> ofer: did you have sound before?
[09:40] <SV452> i never thought of ftp
[09:40] <ofer> no
[09:40] <SV452> doesn't synaptic do ftp ?
[09:40] <ofer> this is first time I am trying
[09:40] <jbmigel> Tom_Reinke you can find it with ps -ae and then kill your app?
[09:40] <_pete> ofer: weird, sorry cant really help
[09:41] <Tom_Reinke> jbmigel: Oh I thought you told me to use ctrl - c to close it..
[09:41] <jbmigel> ctrl-c will close an app running in console
[09:42] <champ`measure> For some reason I am unable to CD into X11...
[09:42] <Tom_Reinke> jbmigel: Ah.. thank you, but it was a GUI app, it worked.
[09:42] <jbmigel> Tom_Reinke oh thats good... but i wouldnt count on it all the time
[09:42] <AlienX> champ`measure, the directory is /etc/X11/
[09:43] <Tom_Reinke> jbmigel: It's just that some zip files didn't finish copying from a CD and I accidentally tried to open the half-file with xarchiver.. Making it very very confused.
[09:43] <whazilla> thkx it's fixed sethk
[09:43] <whazilla> :D
[09:44] <jbmigel> Tom_Reinke patience grasshopper
[09:44] <Tom_Reinke> jbmigel: patience is not on my side with 300 mhz
[09:45] <jbmigel> thats awesome that your running this os on that hardware... im so happy for you
[09:45] <champ`measure> AlienX: says no such file or directory
[09:45] <AlienX> type "ls /etc/X11/"
[09:46] <mtholdenss> compiz rep is so slow....
[09:46] <AlienX> champ`measure, ^
[09:46] <champ`measure> with the / afterwards?
[09:46] <AlienX> champ`measure, yes...copy and paste what I typed
[09:46] <AlienX> without the quotes
[09:46] <Tom_Reinke> jbmigel: Yea, 300 mhz is screamin isn't it? Well, truth is, no windows versions ran well on it, so I decided to give xubuntu a try. So far lots of problems but they're getting resolved.. 1 at a time.
[09:46] <ofer> what is the best way for remote desktop?
[09:46] <niceman2> ATTENTION: LINUX SUCKS! ATTENTION: LINUX SUCKS! ATTENTION: LINUX SUCKS! ATTENTION: LINUX SUCKS! ATTENTION: LINUX SUCKS! ATTENTION: LINUX SUCKS! ATTENTION: LINUX SUCKS! ATTENTION: LINUX SUCKS! ATTENTION: LINUX SUCKS! ATTENTION: LINUX SUCKS! ATTENTION: LINUX SUCKS! ATTENTION: LINUX SUCKS! ATTENTION: LINUX SUCKS! ATTENTION: LINUX SUCKS! ATTENTION: LINUX SUCKS! ATTENTION: LINUX SUCKS! ATTENTION: LINUX SUCKS! ATTENTION: LINUX SUCKS!    I have a laptop with an i810, and i would like to use xgl. is it better supported in Edgy Eft or should i stick with dapper
[09:58] <SV452> thanx
[09:58] <AlienX> imbrandon, probably should just ban the guy
[09:58] <Madkiss> imbrandon: Err. I could have ... well .. released him from his pain
[09:58] <Boglizk> I'm trying to decide which font to use on irssi, any suggestions?
[09:58] <Boglizk> in*
[09:59] <fyrestrtr> Bennedetto: you should use aiglx, and stick with dapper. Edgy is not for general use.
[09:59] <hantoo> artwiz gelly!
[09:59] <hantoo> ;p
[09:59] <xopher> Bennedetto, well Id put edgy on it, but Im suicidal too ;) Its more likely to work with dapper still
[09:59] <Bennedetto> alrighty
[09:59] <Boglizk> ohh.. i havn't installed the artwiz fonts
[09:59] <Bennedetto> aiglx, i was checking out the wiki for it, and it doesnt mention any intel video cards being supported
[09:59] <Boglizk> brb.. i'll do that
[09:59] <RMorris85> jbmigel: after that i plan on using vmware server with win2kpro, what type of partition should i make the the old one?
[09:59] <xopher> Bennedetto, but one benefit of edgy over dapper though, aiglx is installed by default so its 'a lot' easier to enable it
[10:00] <Deeah> Where can I get an icon pack with extra icons? Like the trademarked firefox icon etc
[10:00] <Bennedetto> yeah, i have no problem installing aiglx if it supports my hardware
[10:00] <fyrestrtr> Deeah: gnome-look.org
[10:00] <xopher> Bennedetto, ultimately its all about if you can live with it breaking a few times until edgy is released
[10:00] <xopher> Hope you're confused ;)
[10:00] <jbmigel> RMorris85 if make it fat32 then you will be happy later cuz anything can write to it
[10:01] <Bennedetto> xopher: well, if there isnt a large benefit with running it, id rather run a more stable version
[10:01] <Bennedetto> but yes, still, i would like to know if aiglx supports intel video cards
[10:01] <RMorris85> jbmigel: what should i do to redo the partition? the ubuntu live cd?
[10:01] <xopher> Bennedetto, join #ubuntu-xgl and ask there
[10:02] <Bennedetto> alrighty, thanks
[10:02] <jbmigel> RMorris85 just use fdisk... delete the old partition, create a new one
[10:03] <jbmigel> RMorris85 please make sure you have properly backed up your system before messing with your partitions
[10:03] <RMorris85> as in my ubuntu?
[10:03] <therien> yeah basically...  this OS is rad.
[10:04] <jbmigel> RMorris85 as in put anything you cant afford to lose on a disk not plugged into your computer
[10:04] <RMorris85> jbmigel: lol good call... imma back it up online :)
[10:05] <jbmigel> RMorris85 that is a fantastic idea... personally i have a usb harddrive
[10:07] <RMorris85> jbmigel: i wish i had one... but unfortunately i don't have one big enough for what i need... no dvd burner either... i am going to get me one of those 3.5" hd cases that turn it into a usb drive... i have like 5 spare xbox hd's i can store stuff on
[10:07] <rss> hi, I installed Ubuntu 64bit on AMD Sempron 64Bit processor machine, gdm is started and when I login only the brown screen with a cursor comes up. GNOME doesn't
[10:08] <Schalken> come up?
[10:08] <jbmigel> RMorris85 ya thats what i bought one of them 3.5 hdd cases... it was like $20 or something they are totally worth it
[10:08] <RMorris85> jbmigel: ebay?
[10:08] <RMorris85> lol
[10:09] <phyburn_> Hey I am having troubles with installing. The install can't find my SATA drive I am using the newest installer/
[10:09] <jbmigel> RMorris85 no you can just buy the case and put your own hdd in them then they are cheap
[10:09] <rss> after logging in, the brown screen(which is usually the background of the splash screen) comes and nothing else
[10:09] <rss> the cursor is moving
[10:09] <Schalken> how do i restore grub after i reinstall windows?
[10:09] <RMorris85> jbmigel: yea thats what im talking about... where did u get the case from?
[10:09] <rogue_boy> hello
[10:09] <phyburn_> Hey I am having troubles with installing. The install can't find my SATA drive I am using the newest installer/
[10:09] <jbmigel> RMorris85 im in canada i ordered from ncix.com what country you in?
[10:10] <RMorris85> jbmigel: the greatest one in the worllddd... right below u
[10:10] <ofer> the internet connection is disconnected and I need to set up everytime the dns and run pppoeconf how it is possible to save the information?
[10:10] <RMorris85> lol
[10:10] <Schalken> phyburn_: do you know that it works?
[10:10] <rss> Is there any similar precedent for my problem?
[10:10] <jbmigel> RMorris85 you mean australia?
[10:11] <phyburn_> Scalken: yes becuase my windows is using half of it
[10:11] <phyburn_> Scalken: it's already partitioned
[10:11] <bc> how can i setting my Ip with console
[10:11] <bc> ip address, iptables
[10:11] <jbmigel> bc man ifconfig
[10:11] <bc> cause i have two network card, 'n i want make a router
[10:11] <RMorris85> jbmigel: lol yeah i feel ya... i love the usa but i dont agree with everything we stand for.. but heh im not complaining
[10:12] <bc> what should i do first
[10:12] <Schalken> phyburn_: i have a ubuntu on my sata hdd. perhaps yours isnt supported by ubuntu's driver?
[10:12] <jbmigel> RMorris85 ya you guys are ok... i think you can get a good hdd case at newegg
[10:12] <rss> after loggin' in through GDM, GNOME is not starting, it is a onboard gfx card(but gdm is showing and X is working)
[10:12] <Gibbster> Hello. I can't find my network printer via avahi-browse. Anyone have any idea why?
[10:13] <Gibbster> avahi-discover, rather
[10:13] <Schalken> RMorris85: jbmigel: lets keep it on topic.
[10:13] <rogue_boy> bcmwl5
[10:13] <rss> while booting up, something says "dma not enabled"
[10:13] <KurtKraut> The years has passed but I cant stop enjoying listen to 'Thriller' from Michael Jackson
[10:13] <rss> is that a problem?
[10:13] <bc> jbmigel : can u help me
[10:13] <Agni> hi all
[10:13] <RMorris85> Schalken: and what exactly is the topic? and if u were in our whole convo u would realize its on topic... u topic nazi
[10:13] <Agni> any X gurus around?
[10:14] <Schalken> rss: possibly, but it would usually mean that it would just run slow rather than not run at all.
[10:14] <phyburn_> Hey I am having troubles with installing. The install can't find my SATA drive I am using the newest installer...
[10:14] <jbmigel> bc what you want to do takes alot of time
[10:14] <Schalken> RMorris85: lol
[10:14] <rogue_boy> any way to make my windows see my ubuntu partition in a dual boot notebook pc?
[10:14] <phyburn_> it hangs at mounting the root file system
[10:14] <KurtKraut> phyburn_, have you check you ubuntuforums.org for further details ?
[10:14] <rss> Schalken: it is not coming at all
[10:15] <juri> so i tried switching to upstart on edgy, with the result that my keyboard stopped working after i logged in via gdm
[10:15] <Gibbster> Anyone have any experience setting up zeroconf printers in ubuntu?
[10:15] <RMorris85> Schalken: :) we only got off topic for a sec... i had to rep on the usa
[10:15] <juri> tried booting two times, with the same result, then downgraded to sysvinit and everything works fine
[10:15] <juri> is this a known problem?
[10:15] <phyburn_> KurtKraut: Yes I have
[10:15] <jbmigel> bc start by reading this maybe http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=111972
[10:15] <rss> Agni: just ask your query, if anyone is aware of that they will answer
[10:15] <bc> jbmigel, i'll try thanks
[10:16] <BlackWoxs_> rogue_boy have a look at http://www.fs-driver.org/
[10:16] <Arcad1> a link to a "how to" topic configure apache to be accesible via internet EX:/www.i-have-dns.com
[10:16] <Arcad1> ??
[10:16] <noname_> ..
[10:17] <rogue_boy> is it free BlackWoxs?
[10:17] <BlackWoxs_> certainly is and works well
[10:17] <rogue_boy> i am new to linux sorta but i'm no n00b
[10:17] <foo> Hm, I am getting a "could not open default font 'fixed'" trying to startx. Just kidding.
[10:17] <champ`measure> How do I stop X?
[10:17] <rogue_boy> my roomie tried to install vmware last night but i got pissed and removed it and ubuntu
[10:17] <Schalken> juri: search the edgy bugs. if you cant find one that is what happened to you post a new one. a dev will remove it if it is a duplicate.
[10:17] <rogue_boy> and redid it tonight
[10:17] <foo> champ`measure: ctrl+alt+backspace
[10:18] <noname_> i can't install plugin
[10:18] <abhinay> no change in font even though i change in System > Preferences > Fonts , wt ?
[10:18] <foo> Hm, I am getting a "could not open default font 'fixed'" trying to startx.
[10:18] <foo> er, not just kidding
[10:18] <foo> I did apt-cache search
[10:18] <foo> No luck
[10:18] <foo> bah.
[10:18] <juri> Schalken: yeah, i guess i'll take a better look. there were no relevant upstart bugs, but that's such a weird problem it's hard to pinpoint the source
[10:19] <cafuego> foo: xfonts-base
[10:19] <foo> cafuego: bah, thanks. Why didn't apt-cache search fixed return that
[10:19] <Schalken> juri: true. just select unkown package and the bugsquad will have a look
[10:20] <cafuego> foo: Coz it's not in the package name/description.
[10:20] <cafuego> foo: You should be installing x-window-system-core anyway.
[10:20] <rogue_boy> thankyou BlackWoxs_
[10:21] <Agni> hi all
[10:21] <foo> cafuego: ah. ok. startx works ... I can get into fluxbox. Do I still need x-window-system-core? I think apt-get install fluxbox might have installed it
[10:21] <cafuego> Well, it won't hurt.
[10:21] <Agni> am having some X server problems, especially i installed bastille
[10:21] <squee> does anyone know a command so i can find out what chipset is in my wireless card?
[10:22] <Agni> i uninstalled bastilled after restoring my system