I was away. sirukin seems to have answered though.
[12:16] <sirukin> albeit a tad impolitely.
[12:17] <arthurb> bn
[12:43] <nxv__> i a pII allready 686? or 586 or neither?
[12:43] <KaiL_> 686
[12:43] <gdh> 686
[12:44] <nxv__> i=is
[12:44] <nxv__> thx
[12:44] <sirukin> I have a Katmai
[12:44] <sirukin> what is it?
[12:44] <liz4rd> uname -a
[12:44] <gdh> Anything P2 or newer and any Celeron is 686
[12:45] <liz4rd> i have an amd k6 2 and its only 586
[12:45] <gdh> Is it made by Intel?
[12:45] <liz4rd> AMD
[12:45] <liz4rd> :P
[12:45] <sirukin> it's made by *aghast* amd
[12:45] <gdh> :)
[12:45] <KaiL_> K6-2 is one of the last 586, yes
[12:46] <sirukin> keyword = "an amd k6 2"
[12:46] <gdh> I .. believe that was my point...
[12:46] <sirukin> maybe
[12:46] <sirukin> I was born without a sense of humour.
[12:47] <sirukin> I sorry
[12:47] <liz4rd> :P
[12:58] <Tm_T> hullo kkathman
[12:59] <kkathman> hey there Tm_T :)
[01:17] <_toni> yo man!
[01:17] <gdh> mm?
[01:17] <_toni> somebody here?!
[01:18] <kkathman> uhm yes
[01:18] <kkathman> hey gdh :)
[01:18] <_toni> what happend?! nobody talk here?
[01:19] <_toni> peut-tre en franais?!
[01:19] <gdh> c'est n'est pas une chaine francais :)
[01:19] <_toni> pu darsi in italiano?!
[01:20] <gdh> mais, c'est n'est aussi pas une magnetephone jaune.
[01:20] <gdh> and that's about as far as my French goes.
[01:20] <Tm_T> vittu puhukaa suomea, perkele
[01:20] <_toni> hey gdh :-) i'm newbie (damned!) i just discover right now! Sorry!
[01:22] <gdh> c'est nes pas une probleme
[01:22] <gdh> .. my last French lesson was, er, 12 years ago.. you can probably tell :)
[01:25] <_toni> no problem, i can understand with some computerized translator :-)
[01:25] <_toni> well! what about this topic?
[01:28] <Tm_T> persehn se
[01:28] <_toni> somebody can helpme to configure xdosemu under kubuntu?
[01:36] <pobstil> hullo
[01:38] <pobstil> transgress
[01:39] <gdh> belgium
[01:39] <pobstil> NEW ZEALAND
[01:40] <gdh> Yes, I see the domain name :)
[01:40] <amu> planet earth ;)
[01:40] <gdh> I'm in the UK, I just felt like saying 'belgium'
[01:40] <pobstil> what domain name?
[01:40] <pobstil> haha
[01:40] <gdh> "Finally, as for the latest rumor (#398) that the Pixies are going to reunite for a tour (as mentioned by FB on London's Xfm radio)... here's the lowdown from the inside : The Pixies will get together later this year to record a new double album of Latvian children's lullabies, after which they will tour each and every country whose name begins with the letters Cz."
[01:40] <gdh> oops
[01:40] <gdh> fuqn xlipboard / selection
[01:41] <amu> pobstil: you'll find it in my details *eg*
[01:41] <pobstil> oh yeah :p
[01:42] <pobstil> soo00o what been happening in kubuntu-land?
[01:42] <gdh> lots of people asking what the root password is, mostly.
[01:43] <pobstil> haha
[01:43] <gdh> mm.
[02:06] <gdh> the release, probably :)
[02:06] <gdh> no last-minute excitement
[02:07] <gdh> try again in August/September :)
[02:07] <pobstil> haha
[02:13] <wulfepup> My poor laptop  I tried install Kubuntu Hoary (AMD64) and all I get now is "Operating System Missing"
[02:14] <wulfepup> Does anyone know what might have happened?
[02:15] <amu> probably your mbr isnt correctly written
[02:16] <wulfepup> @!$&*!@$!
[02:16] <wulfepup> *sigh*
[02:17] <wulfepup> I'm trying for a dual boot on a pre-existing WinXP system...
[02:17] <wulfepup> I was following along in the outline provided in teh Wiki ..
[02:18] <amu> check your bios setting, if it's possible to modify your mbr, yes there's a option
[02:18] <amu> dual boot on a pre-existing WinXP system works out of the box, install
[02:19] <wulfepup> the bios only ask to specify devices.. no mbr no partitions...
[02:19] <amu> there must be a virus option
[02:20] <wulfepup> I'll double check..  but I don't recall seeing one.
[02:21] <gdh> amu: hm, I put the hoary install CD on my new dell desktop at work this week - after it'd told me to remove the CD-ROm and that it was going to reboot - it then went on to ask what priority debconf messages I wanted to see.. and then rebooted before I could choose... does that sound at all familiar?
[02:21] <amu> the other possibility where an installtion could fail is, if you use a sata-raid
[02:21] <gdh> quite cool - preinstalled with XP Home and never actually booted XP once :)
[02:22] <wulfepup> no raid ..  just one IDE HD
[02:23] <gdh> wulfepup: the 'virus option' is usually in the same screen as the enable level 2 cache  / ECC memory checking... on award bios it's in the top left of teh screen
[02:23] <wulfepup> pobstil if I wasn't so durn frustrated right now.. I'd have a snappy come back.. but I don't so forgive me.
[02:23] <amu> gdh: sorry didnt understand
[02:23] <gdh> amu: No worries - the install worked fine - was just a bit surprising to see that =)
[02:23] <pobstil> mk :p
[02:24] <wulfepup> PhoenixBIOS  (HP Pavilion laptop)
[02:24] <gdh> Urg, who knows, then? :)
[02:25] <wulfepup> Lang, time, date, parallel mode, secs to press F10 (to get to bios), passwords (3 types), HDD test (quick and slow) that's all that is configurable.
[02:25] <gdh> ah nice and sanitised... :|
[02:25] <amu> gdh: yep, ist just works, 2 possibiies where an installation could fails, is a.) virus peotection by bios settings, b.) unsuported unknown very new raid-systems, scsi
[02:25] <wulfepup> *sigh* yeah
[02:26] <amu> s/ist/it
[02:26] <wulfepup> should I go ahead an take my chances on letting Grub go to MBR instead of (hd0,1)?
[02:27] <gdh> wulfepup: It's easy to add Windows' partition to grub's config if it gets it wrong
[02:27] <wulfepup> ((why am I asking L:inux folk if I should take a chance on killing windows..LOL)
[02:27] <gdh> .. and if all goes wrong
[02:27] <gdh> you can boot with a DOS 6.22 floppy and run FDISK /MBR
[02:27] <gdh> so, yes it's safe to try :)
[02:28] <wulfepup> assuming I had A) a dos 6.22 floppy and B) a floppy drive..LOL
[02:28] <amu> wulfepup: in 95% of all cases, you install to mbr
[02:28] <gdh> haha :)
[02:28] <gdh> wulfepup: there are doubtless bootable CD-R images you could use :)
[02:29] <wulfepup> I'm tempted to run expert instead of linux....
[02:29] <gdh> or make your own from a downloaded floppy image off the 'net
[02:29] <wulfepup> true 'nuff
[02:29] <gdh> Nero will let you create bootable CDs
[02:29] <gdh> etc.
[02:34] <sounix> hi
[02:35] <sounix> como instalo ubuntu desde disketes
[02:38] <wulfepup> ok in the Partition disks section.... if it has "#2 primary 4.5GB [lightning bolt]  [skull]  ext3 /" as the line for my Kubuntu  install .. is everything looking ok?
[02:39] <wulfepup> I know the [skull]  is for format... what is teh lightning bolt?
[02:54] <wulfepup> Grub worked on mbr ... and I successfully got into Windows as a test.
[02:54] <wulfepup> Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[02:54] <wulfepup> relief
[03:14] <pobstil> moo
[03:16] <monchy> oom
[03:16] <pobstil> lol moo backwards
[03:16] <monchy> :)
[03:17] <Mez> hey
[03:17] <Mez> is anyone in here using breezy?
[03:18] <thoreauputic> Mez: only crazy people ;)
[03:18] <Mez> damnit
[03:18] <Mez> I need a crazy person
[03:18] <pobstil> I resent that, some people here are crazy and aren't using breezy
[03:18] <Mez> to test the konversation 0.18 package
[03:19] <thoreauputic> Mez: are you the Newb Gods person trying to organise mentors etc?
[03:19] <Mez> I'm one of the nweb gods organisers
[03:19] <Mez> but we havent got any plans for mentors (not thats been discussed to my knowledge)
[03:19] <Mez> but I'm looking for volunteers to join the group
[03:20] <thoreauputic> Mez: right - what's the best way to get started? email you?
[03:20] <Mez> ah you wanna join
[03:20] <Mez> yeah email me your contact details
[03:20] <Mez> I'll add you onto the lsit
[03:20] <Mez> and the mailing list
[03:20] <thoreauputic> OK
[03:20] <Mez> and idel in #ubuntu-newbie
[03:21] <thoreauputic> right - I was there a few days ago but you weren't around
[03:21] <thoreauputic> I'll rejoin now
[03:21] <Mez> lol :d
[03:37] <pobstil> DON"T YOU LOVE ME ANYMORE!!!!?????!?!?!?
[03:37] <gdh> Well.. you didn't return our calls, or answer our letters...
[03:37] <gdh> so..  Dark weather, but weather nonetheless.
[03:40] <pobstil> looking prety crappy tom
[03:47] <penguinboy> Good Evening, Guys!
[03:47] <pobstil> guten taag
[03:48] <penguinboy> Guten Tag, Mein Herr
[03:48] <pobstil> say what?
[03:48] <penguinboy> Good Evening, My Master
[03:48] <pobstil> haha
[03:48] <penguinboy> lol
[03:49] <penguinboy> or is it Meina Dama
[03:49] <penguinboy> my lady?
[03:51] <pobstil> nah I'm a dude dude
[03:52] <penguinboy> room sure is quiet tonight
[03:52] <pobstil> very
[03:52] <penguinboy> how long have you used Kubuntu?
[03:53] <penguinboy> Welcome N17R0
[03:53] <pobstil> I don't use kubuntu. my kubuntu killed itself
[03:53] <N17R0> oi
[03:53] <penguinboy> what distro do you use then
[03:53] <pobstil> ziggy
[03:53] <pobstil> I use yoper at the momeny
[03:53] <penguinboy> never heard of Ziggy
[03:53] <pobstil> getting slackware though
[03:53] <penguinboy> Yoper I have heard of
[03:53] <pobstil> ziggy doesn't exist
[03:54] <penguinboy> Don;t you have to compile everything in Slack????
[03:54] <pobstil> nah
[03:54] <pobstil> tzg packages
[03:54] <penguinboy> Is there anything like APT or YAST or RPM in Slack?
[03:55] <pobstil> theres tzg packages, and you just issue a command which I forget at the moment. like $thiscommand package.tzg
[03:55] <pobstil> and it installs
[03:55] <penguinboy> kewl
[03:56] <penguinboy> so you do not have to comoile liek normal tarballs?
[03:56] <penguinboy> like
[03:56] <pobstil> nah but you can if you want
[03:56] <penguinboy> I know Slack is popular
[03:56] <pobstil> haha I don't even have slackware yet :p
[03:56] <penguinboy> with a lot of people
[03:57] <pobstil> yeah. the guy who made the linux kernel made slackware..
[03:57] <penguinboy> Torvalds actually built the distro...perhaps I should give it a whirl
[03:58] <pobstil> maaybee
[03:59] <pobstil> yoper is very fast, but 2.1 is buggy. 2.2 will be heaps beter
[03:59] <penguinboy> Welcome FireEgl
[04:00] <pobstil> FireEg1 **
[04:02] <pobstil> installpkg is the command install a package haha
[04:02] <penguinboy> makes sense
[04:02] <pobstil> yeah:p
[04:02] <Mez> is it wrong of me to make the breezy install for konversation have #kubuntu as the default channel to join
[04:03] <penguinboy> not at all
[04:03] <penguinboy> I mean yes
[04:03] <penguinboy> do not install breezy
[04:04] <pobstil> he's doing testing or something
[04:04] <Mez> penguinboy, I'm builidn ghte konversation-0.18-1ubuntu1 pacakge
[04:04] <penguinboy> Hey sproingie !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[04:04] <pobstil> lol don't get too excited
[04:04] <Mez> I'm recompiling it to make it join here instead of #kde by default (dam it being a sponsored thing)
[04:05] <penguinboy> Welcome kakalto
[04:05] <kakalto> yo
[04:05] <pobstil> haha fresh
[04:05] <kakalto> fresh?
[04:08] <pobstil> aww you left slackware
[04:08] <penguinboy> there were 230 peple in there....whata crowd
[04:08] <pobstil> come again:p
[04:08] <Mez> +++ konversation-0.18/konversation/src/preferences.cpp
[04:08] <Mez> @@ -68,7 +68,7 @@
[04:08] <Mez>    serverGroup->addServer(server);
[04:08] <Mez>    serverGroup->setIdentityId(identity->id());
[04:08] <Mez>    Konversation::ChannelSettings channel;
[04:08] <Mez> -  channel.setName("#kde");
[04:08] <Mez> +  channel.setName("#kubuntu");
[04:08] <Mez>    serverGroup->addChannel(channel);
[04:09] <Mez>    m_serverGroupList.append(serverGroup);
[04:09] <Mez>
[04:09] <pobstil> not cool
[04:09] <Chislon> im getting increasingly tired of linux... for all the hype, it doesnt work very well in my experience... 2 things, 1 is tha ti have set in KDE components firefox to be the default browser, yet when i click open in browser, it opens in konqueror, 2, when i click mozilla, open in existing, it opens in a new window.. not the existing one...
[04:10] <monchy> you should give konqueror a chance, it's not a bad little browser ;)
[04:10] <penguinboy> I started with Red Hat 7.0...then went to Red Hat 9.0...Mandrake 9.1....SuSE 9.0a.....Fedora Core 1....Fedora Core 2...Ubuntu Warty....Ubuntu Hoary....and now Kubuntu Hoary!
[04:10] <Chislon> thats not the point, the point is linux isnt doing what its supposed to... and thats getting annoying
[04:10] <Chislon> i like firefox alot :)
[04:10] <Chislon> atleast on windows
[04:10] <Chislon> lol
[04:10] <penguinboy> I think Linux works amazingly
[04:11] <Chislon> well not nearly as well as windows so far... im hoping that will change, but im getting tired
[04:11] <Mez> monchy - konq is annoying
[04:11] <Chislon> (in my experience)
[04:11] <kakalto> heheh. I get tired of windows..
[04:11] <kakalto> too slow
[04:11] <kakalto> too unstable
[04:11] <pobstil> windows is just crapy
[04:11] <penguinboy> Windoze has way too many problems
[04:11] <Chislon> as much as people talk about how bad windows is, i rarely have hte problems that people talk about, and i dont see any of the greatness of linux yet, as it doesnt work...
[04:12] <penguinboy> and Windo$e costs way too much!
[04:12] <Chislon> the only reason my desktop has crashed recently is because the pos and the mobo arnt compatible
[04:12] <pobstil> aww
[04:12] <Chislon> i agree with linux's pricetag tho, and im hoping to learn how to use it, but i keep on trying when im tired and that doesnt help lol
[04:13] <penguinboy> pobstil: are you in New Zealand????
[04:13] <pobstil> yesm
[04:13] <penguinboy> kewl
[04:13] <penguinboy> beautiful country
[04:13] <penguinboy> great backdrop for LOTR
[04:13] <pobstil> haha yeah
[04:13] <Chislon> lol
[04:14] <penguinboy> what is the capitol of New Zealand?
[04:14] <pobstil> penguinboy sounds like the name of a superhero
[04:14] <pobstil> wellington
[04:14] <penguinboy> The Amazing Adventures of PenguinBoy....www.penguinboy.us
[04:16] <pobstil> joe missionary?
[04:17] <kakalto> pobstil, where in NZ are you?
[04:17] <penguinboy> a blogger.....who is a missionary somewhere in Asia
[04:17] <pobstil> why? :p
[04:17] <penguinboy> we wanna come for a visit
[04:17] <Chislon> oh and i just realized something
[04:17] <kakalto> just curious :P
[04:17] <pobstil> o0o I live on 72 evergreen terrace
[04:17] <penguinboy> LOL
[04:17] <kakalto> lol, what
[04:17] <penguinboy> LOL
[04:18] <Chislon> perhaps its jsut that i already know what things windows will mess up, so that its just not  a surprise when it does ;) but i dont really have many problems with it
[04:18] <penguinboy> Welceom Dennis!
[04:18] <kakalto> auckland?
[04:18] <pobstil> yeah
[04:18] <Chislon> wiht linux i dont knwo whats going to mess up, so when it does its more inconvienient
[04:18] <kakalto> hehe
[04:18] <penguinboy> 72 Evergreen terrace, Auckland, New Zealand
[04:18] <pobstil> yeah
[04:18] <penguinboy> I am booking my flight as we speak
[04:19] <pobstil> haha success
[04:19] <penguinboy> at what?
[04:20] <pobstil> 72 evergreen terrace. isn't that the simpsons address?
[04:20] <penguinboy> lol
[04:20] <penguinboy> do they live in Auckland?
[04:20] <pobstil> lol
[04:21] <pobstil> I just got asked what I forgot... I said I don't remember
[04:21] <penguinboy> lol
[04:21] <penguinboy> the Simpsons do live at 72 Evergreen Terrace!
[04:22] <pobstil> yeah
[04:22] <pobstil> I live with the simpsons ??? :o
[04:22] <penguinboy> kewl
[04:22] <pobstil> lol
[04:22] <penguinboy> They do a good job of maskign their New Zealand accents on the TV
[04:23] <pobstil> who do
[04:23] <pobstil> oh yeah haha
[04:23] <penguinboy> Welceom Kamping_Kaiser
[04:24] <pobstil> are you german?
[04:24] <penguinboy> no
[04:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi penguinboy :)
[04:24] <penguinboy> nein
[04:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh
[04:24] <pobstil> no kamping_kaiser, are you german?
[04:25] <penguinboy> Das es Deutsch?
[04:25] <penguinboy> WB Mez
[04:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> pobstil, father is, have been there, but dont know much german
[04:25] <mez> ty
[04:25] <penguinboy> yw
[04:25] <mez> typed command thinking it was mIRC
[04:25] <mez> :(
[04:25] <penguinboy> lol
[04:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[04:26] <penguinboy> mez is British?
[04:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> hes in brittain
[04:27] <mez> yes I am
[04:28] <mez> why are you asking/how do you know
[04:28] <penguinboy> I would love to visit Scotland and Wales and Ireland
[04:28] <penguinboy> i can tel from your ip
[04:28] <penguinboy> tell
[04:28] <mez> ah
[04:28] <mez> kk
[04:29] <penguinboy> was New Zeland once n the British Empire?
[04:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes
[04:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> and AUS
[04:30] <dstillz> But it's been independent for 98 years.
[04:30] <penguinboy> lol
[04:30] <kakalto> :P
[04:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> dstillz, longer
[04:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> :P
[04:30] <penguinboy> and the band played Waltzing Matilda
[04:30] <kakalto> that's au, isn't it?
[04:31] <penguinboy> wb _pobstil
[04:31] <_pobstil> wb?
[04:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> yep
[04:31] <penguinboy> yes kakalto
[04:31] <dstillz> Hmm.
[04:31] <penguinboy> http://www.google.com/linux
[04:31] <dstillz> I can't find any pre-1906 stuff.
[04:31] <penguinboy> oops
[04:31] <_pobstil> penguinboy I love you
[04:31] <penguinboy> LOL
[04:31] <penguinboy> I LOVE YOU 2
[04:31] <penguinboy> lol
[04:31] <_pobstil> :p
[04:31] <penguinboy> lol
[04:32] <_pobstil> woo!
[04:32] <kakalto> how can I force unmount a cd?
[04:32] <kakalto> umount -f ?
[04:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> kakalto, is it in use?
[04:33] <kakalto> well, I'm trying to install a game, and the konsole says "it's in use", but the setup for the game wants a different cd
[04:33] <_pobstil> where are you from penguinboy
[04:33] <kakalto> it's a 2cd game
[04:33] <penguinboy> Kentucky USA
[04:33] <Mestapheles> "eject -f" ?
[04:33] <_pobstil> good chicken?
[04:33] <_pobstil> :D
[04:34] <kakalto> Mestapheles, is it?
[04:34] <penguinboy> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
ps waxf

[04:34] <penguinboy> to see the upper program that is being called below "mount <TT>/cdrom</TT>", and
[04:34] <penguinboy> do:

kill -9 $(pidof <program_name>)

[04:34] <dstillz> I can't get kubuntu to install.
[04:34] <kakalto> Mestapheles, that tells "eject -floppy"
[04:34] <penguinboy> (rude, I know). Then you'll be able to do:

umount /cdrom

[04:34] <penguinboy> oops
[04:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> penguinboy, yeh
[04:35] <Mestapheles> no I don't see a -f option.  I d recall having to pass "eject" as a super user
[04:36] <_pobstil> "Microsoft isn't evil, they just make really crappy operating systems."    Goodbye!
[05:28] <monchy> woohoo
[05:28] <penguinboy> yes
[05:28] <Mez> ok
[05:28] <_aluno_> hahahahahahaha
[05:28] <Mez> bhut nice to see you
[05:28] <daniels> tem words or less, what's the problem?
[05:28] <penguinboy> he is an op
[05:28] <penguinboy> _aluno_ is using profanity
[05:28] <monchy> awesome, thanks daniels
[05:29] <penguinboy> thanks
[05:29] <daniels> np
[05:29] <monchy> he'll probably go to #ubuntu now lol
[05:29] <penguinboy> lol
[05:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> I'm ready
[05:30] <penguinboy> KK are you an op?
[05:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> nope.
[05:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> but I'm in there, so i ahve to put up with him
[05:31] <penguinboy> whois says he is online but not in a room
[05:31] <penguinboy> no he is gone
[05:31] <penguinboy> now
[05:31] <Mez> night all
[05:31] <Mez> I fixed that konv pronblem
[05:31] <penguinboy> night Mez!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[05:31] <monchy> night Mez, thanks for backporting konv
[05:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> hes ofline
[05:31] <Mez> monchy
[05:32] <Mez> backported and updated fopr breezy
[05:32] <monchy> nice
[05:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> mine still points at ubuntuforusm :S
[05:33] <penguinboy> does anyone know when stable Breezy is being released?
[05:33] <monchy> mm banana bread
[05:33] <monchy> octoberish i think
[05:33] <penguinboy> great
[05:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> 5.10
[05:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;)
[05:34] <monchy> 6.0 after that right
[05:34] <penguinboy> Warty...Hoary...Breezy
[05:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> work with the numbers your given
[05:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> no, 6.4
[05:34] <Mez> penguinboy, http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseSchedule
[05:34] <Shuddertrix> 6.4 after that.
[05:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> its year.month
[05:34] <penguinboy> thanks Mez
[05:34] <Shuddertrix> Then 6.10, 7.4, 7.10, 8.4, 8.10, 9.4, 9.10, 10.4, 10.10, 11.4, 11.10, I think you get it.
[05:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> no, 6.4, 7.0, 7.6 etc
[05:35] <monchy> wonder what names will be next
[05:35] <penguinboy> yes
[05:35] <Shuddertrix> I just went in a pattern, being tired in all.
[05:35] <penguinboy> I would like Penguiny
[05:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> perky penguin was up for debate
[05:35] <monchy> lol i like it
[05:35] <penguinboy> Warty...Hoary...breezy...Penguiny
[05:36] <monchy> flamy flamingo
[05:36] <monchy> o.O
[05:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> there was a thread on the forums to discuss things
[05:36] <penguinboy> Warty Warthog...Hoary Hedgehog...Breezy what?
[05:36] <monchy> badger
[05:36] <Shuddertrix> Badger
[05:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> Badger
[05:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[05:36] <penguinboy> k
[05:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> get the idea ;P
[05:37] <penguinboy> then definitely...Perky Penguin should follow
[05:40] <theshoe> quick question: just installed kubuntu and then installed the fglrx drivers for my 9200, now i cant change refresh rate - how do i do this
[05:40] <penguinboy> Airy Aardvark...Breezy Badger...Chillin' Chihuahua...Dancing Doe...Effervecing Elephant....Fancyfooting Frog....Grooming Gorilla...Hoary Hedgehog...Illuminting Iguana.....Jumping Jackrabit....
[05:41] <monchy> the chihuahua one is good
[05:41] <theshoe> in the control panel it says :"Your X server does not support resizing and rotating the display. please update..."
[05:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> *subject to change without notice ;)
[05:41] <thoreauputic> Wobbly Wallaby...
[05:41] <penguinboy> i like that one
[05:41] <monchy> send it in ;p
[05:43] <penguinboy> night guys!
[05:43] <monchy> night pb
[05:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok. night mate
[05:51] <pobstil> a hoy hoy
[05:51] <monchy> yoh yoh a
[05:51] <pobstil> lol
[05:52] <monchy> woohoo ET in 30 minutes
[05:52] <pobstil> et?
[05:52] <monchy> enemy territory
[05:52] <pobstil> alrighty
[05:52] <monchy> free game
[05:52] <pobstil> woo
[05:53] <monchy> fps, based on RTCW (return to castle wolfenstein)
[05:53] <pobstil> ok
[05:54] <monchy> no idea what it is?
[05:54] <pobstil> nope
[05:54] <Octane> does the kernel source come iwht kubuntu 5.03
[05:54] <Octane> *4
[05:54] <pobstil> where did penguinboy go
[05:55] <monchy> http://www.planetwolfenstein.com/enemyterritory/ there you go
[05:55] <monchy> & he went to sleep
[05:55] <pobstil> mk
[05:56] <Octane> i dont have access to the internet on my kubuntu box yet and i wanna put the kernel source on it
[05:56] <Octane> what exactly should i get
[05:56] <Octane> the box is a kubuntu 5.04 box
[05:57] <Octane> uname -a says 2.6.10-5-amd64-generic
[05:58] <pobstil> pinging is phun
[05:59] <pobstil> why not put internet on your kubuntu box while you put the sources on
[05:59] <Octane> because i need the kernel soruce in order to compile the drivers for my NIC
[05:59] <pobstil> does kubuntu pick them up with the kernel it has
[06:00] <Octane> no it does not
[06:00] <Octane> i need the kernel source in order to compile the drivers
[06:05] <Octane> once i get the kernel soruce where do i put it? in /usr/src ?
[06:07] <thoreauputic> Octane: it's unusual for a nic to be unsupported - are you sure it isn't available in the default kernel , so you could just modprobe it?
[06:08] <Octane> im telling you its unsupported
[06:08] <Octane> its a brand new mobo
[06:08] <thoreauputic> Octane: OK - i believe you - just asking
[06:08] <Octane> lspci says Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd: Unknown device
[06:08] <Octane> thoreauputic i know :)
[06:10] <Octane> once i get the source though what do i do
[06:10] <Octane> excuse the ignorance
[06:10] <Octane> im used to packages :)
[06:10] <thoreauputic> so am I ;) Possibly, though, the headers would be enough?
[06:12] <Octane> thoreauputic its okay i got the src
[06:21] <Octane> how the hell is gcc not found
[06:23] <scott> can anyone tell me how to change the refresh rate of my monitor? just installed kubuntu and the fglrx drivers and now i cant change refresh rate
[06:23] <Octane> its in your xorg.conf file
[06:24] <Octane> why the hell is gcc not installed
[06:25] <scott> i have tried that - in control panel it says something about not being able to resize and rotate and haveing to upgrade
[06:25] <scott> it says please update to 4.3
[06:26] <scott> how do i do that?
[06:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> octane, by default?
[06:28] <scott> if no one can help me with this problem, can anyonme tell me how i install mplayer
[06:28] <monchy> anyway i can check to see what my current refresh rate is
[06:30] <hussam> monchy: screen refresh rate? right click on desktop >configure desktop >Display
[06:31] <monchy> hm, says 75 but it doesn't feel like 75 if that makes sense
[06:31] <abisen> where do i report bugs in kubuntu ?? or apps that come with kubuntu ... for example kaffeine even after quitting keeps running i can see it in the process table taking away all my CPU cycle
[06:31] <abisen> it is very reproduceble problem ..
[06:33] <hussam> abise: report bugs here https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[06:33] <hussam> abisen*
[06:34] <abisen> thanks
[07:20] <pobstil> hey, with sftp, how do you put a folder, and all it's contents, including other folders
[07:20] <madison> hi
[07:20] <pobstil> hi:)
[07:20] <hussam> does the firefox in backports-staging have the latest security fix regarding the frames?
[07:21] <madison> hi pobstil how r u?/
[07:21] <pobstil> I'm alright thanks madison :) how are you?
[07:21] <madison> im fine too
[07:22] <madison> where r u from?
[07:22] <pobstil> nz
[07:22] <pobstil> you?
[07:22] <madison> indonesia
[07:22] <madison> nice to know u
[07:22] <pobstil> :)
[07:23] <madison> hows nz?
[07:23] <pobstil> beautiful
[07:23] <madison> yeah i know it amazing place to visit
[07:23] <pobstil> have you been here>
[07:24] <pobstil> ?
[07:24] <madison> nope but heard it a lot
[07:24] <pobstil> ok
[07:25] <madison> about maori?is that right?
[07:26] <pobstil> uh huh
[07:27] <madison> nice introduction and culture
[08:39] <el_zor0> has anyone here successfully build xdoom?
[08:39] <el_zor0> I'm trying to build ps doom
[08:40] <el_zor0> the old system admin tool based on the origonal doom where you run arround shooting processes to kill them on your box
[08:46] <Kaiser_essen> hahha
[08:47] <el_zor0> I can't make the damn thing compile, the code is so old its tweaked for old 486 era asembler compilers and gcc can't build it
[08:47] <Kaiser_essen> lol. might look into that
[08:50] <el_zor0> http://psdoom.sourceforge.net/screenshots.html
[08:50] <el_zor0> psdoom screenshots
[09:00] <pobstil> good evening
[09:01] <randabis> hi
[09:53] <bigbill52a> i have the correct ati drivers installed...glxgears works fine..gl screensavers in gnome work fine...however...when i bring up the control panel in either 3.4.0 or 3.4.1 and just touch a gl screensaver in the control panel...my machine locks up completely
[09:54] <bigbill52a> it is very consistent...happens every time..other screen savers work fine...just the gl ones lock my machine completely
[09:55] <bigbill52a> tried the latest debian...with the appropriate ati driver...no problem
[09:56] <bigbill52a> however the latest debian doesnt have the unofficial guide for all the multimedia
[09:57] <bigbill52a> or all the extra resources...
[09:59] <tux0010> hi everyone
[09:59] <tux0010> i tried installing kubuntu-desktop in ubuntu (amd 64)
[09:59] <tux0010> but it errored out saying "come packages could not be downloaded - md5 checksum error)
[09:59] <tux0010> any ideas how to fix this?
[10:01] <bigbill52a> some of the mirrors are experiencing problems
[10:02] <xxenon> KDE not responding when k3b is starting a record (10 seconds) and finalizing the disc (15 seconds)....someone else experienced that ?
[10:02] <bigbill52a> tux look in your sources.list
[10:03] <tux0010> bigbill52a, opened it up
[10:03] <tux0010> bigbill52a, should i change something in it?
[10:03] <bigbill52a> do you have us?
[10:04] <tux0010> yes
[10:04] <tux0010> us.archive.ubutntu.....
[10:04] <bigbill52a> just delete the two letters us in front of each entry...
[10:05] <bigbill52a> so it reads archive instead of us.archive
[10:05] <bigbill52a> and then save as,
[10:05] <bigbill52a> and then apt-get update
[10:05] <bigbill52a> and then try your install again
[10:06] <tux0010> bigbill52a, thanks...lemme give that a shot real qk
[10:06] <bigbill52a> let me know if it dont work..i had to do the same thing earlier
[10:07] <bigbill52a> brb
[10:09] <bigbill52a> back
[10:10] <bigbill52a> very quick smoke
[10:10] <tux0010> bigbill52a, i think it worked
[10:11] <tux0010> lemme try and go into kde and see
[10:11] <bigbill52a> be sure to update first
[10:12] <tux0010> bigbill52a, done :)
[10:12] <tux0010> bigbill52a, worked like a charm :)
[10:12] <tux0010> you are a genius
[10:12] <tux0010> :)
[10:12] <tux0010> bigbill52a, i am going to log into kde full time
[10:12] <tux0010> brb
[10:12] <bigbill52a> i am just passing it on
[10:12] <bigbill52a> someone helped me earlier
[10:13] <bigbill52a> warning....the ati drive in restricted modules is not an xorg driver..it is an xfree driver...
[10:14] <bigbill52a> the fglrxconfig produces an xfree.conf
[10:15] <bigbill52a> not an xorg.conf
[10:15] <bigbill52a> that is using the sources.list from the guide
[10:16] <bigbill52a> if anyone needs help installing the ati driver just pm me
[10:18] <LadyRoot> hi, can anyone tell me which packet do I need to apt-get install, to hace iso8859-2 fonts in Konqueror?
[10:19] <LadyRoot> *have
[10:33] <tux0010> does anyone know how i can set the dpi ?
[11:10] <spiral> hi
[11:13] <pobstil> hullo all
[11:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[11:14] <pobstil> anything been happening
[11:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> noope
[11:14] <pobstil> awwe
[11:21] <pobstil> oh the deadness
[12:16] <blanco> help me please, im looking for a panish cannel, an i dont know how
[12:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> not sure if there is one
[12:30] <mindspin> toast
[01:38] <jkeel> hi all
[01:38] <jkeel> I'm trying to get the new automake to compile kde
[01:38] <jkeel> I've tried sudo update-alternatives --config automake
[01:39] <jkeel> but that says: 'No alternatives found for automake.'
[01:54] <spiral> does anyone here know how I could have a french version of amaroK in hoary ?
[01:55] <Octane> can someone please tell me why is it that gcc doesnt come with kubuntu 5.04
[01:55] <spiral> Octane: just do apt-get install gcc, it's on the cd...
[01:56] <Octane> i need gcc to compile something so that i could get my NIC working
[01:56] <Octane> and i dont have a nic
[01:56] <Octane> ei mean a working one
[01:56] <spiral> Octane: it's on the cd, I told you
[01:56] <Octane> since the drivers are so new
[01:56] <Octane> i see
[01:56] <spiral> it's just not installed by default, but you can install it
[01:57] <spiral> happily for me too... I need to build my own kernel to have it working
[01:57] <Octane> how the hell is gcc not installed by default
[01:57] <spiral> Octane: a distribution for beginners... They consider a true beginner doesn't need gcc
[01:58] <bigkeith> how do i install .deb
[01:58] <Octane> spiral whats the pkg name gcc?
[01:58] <spiral> Octane: yes, that's it
[01:59] <spiral> bigkeith: dpkg -i foo.deb
[01:59] <Octane> yes thanks very much my friend
[01:59] <bigkeith> thanx
[01:59] <Octane> omg new qt!
[01:59] <spiral> Octane: ;-)
[01:59] <Octane> is that on the cd too?
[02:00] <Tm_T> =)
[02:00] <Octane> let me apt-cache search
[02:01] <Octane> spiral waht do you suggest i do? i need several packages in order to make menuconfig for my linux source
[02:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> hey, Tm_T :)
[02:01] <Tm_T> hullo
[02:01] <spiral> Octane: something like libncurses-dev is also on CD I think
[02:03] <Octane> nope, only libncurses5 and libncursesw5
[02:03] <Octane> no dev pkg
[02:15] <Octane> i really need some help
[02:16] <buz> apt-get build-dep linux
[02:16] <Octane> i dont have access to the internet
[02:17] <buz> well youre probably lost then
[02:18] <Octane> thats an understatement
[02:19] <Octane> i need to compile drivers for my nic
[02:19] <Octane> which need the linux sourc
[02:19] <Octane> and i cant make menuconfig because i need a bunch of deps
[02:33] <othernoob> which program do i need to extract files from an .ace archive ? unace doesn't want to extract them
[02:37] <buz> there's something wrong with the fonts after the kde3.4.1 updatre
[02:37] <buz> some pdfs look whacked now
[03:21] <Firetech> I like Linux... I just bought a DVD-burner and installed it. Drivers were included, but in Linux, it just worked :D
[03:23] <othernoob> drivers for what ?
[03:23] <Firetech> drivers for the DVD-burner
[03:23] <Firetech> Drivers for Windows, that is
[03:23] <othernoob> yes of course, but what would they do?
[03:23] <Firetech> I don't know, I don't use windows...
[03:23] <othernoob> heh..mmh.. never had a burner that needed drivers to burn..mmh..
[03:24] <othernoob> and i've had a few ;)
[03:24] <Firetech> My old CD-burner seems to be broken
[03:24] <othernoob> why
[03:25] <Firetech> It started to cause "ATAPI reset time-out" in the syslog, and immideatly after that, the system just stalls.
[03:25] <Firetech> kernel panic I guess, but I never saw the message
[03:26] <othernoob> but it burned fine?
[03:26] <Firetech> It can be because I told it to use DMA, but it can also be because the IDE cable wasn't 100% correctly installed
[03:26] <Firetech> It burned fine, yes
[03:27] <Firetech> When I started to remove it, I saw that the IDE cable wasn't 100% into its slot on the Motherboard.
[03:27] <Firetech> anyway, Now I can burn _any_ format ;)
[03:28] <othernoob> oooooh.. dvd-+r9/ram ?
[03:28] <Firetech> DVD+/-R/RW (including +R DL) and DVD-RAM
[03:28] <Firetech> and of course, CD-R/RW
[03:28] <Firetech> too bad k3b doesn't rupport DL yet :P
[03:29] <Firetech> *support
[03:29] <othernoob> dl ? doublelayer ?
[03:29] <Firetech> yup
[03:29] <othernoob> ah okay, thats what i meant with r9 ;)
[03:29] <Firetech> ok
[03:30] <othernoob> which burner is it ?
[03:32] <Firetech> an LG GSA-4163RBB (RBB = Black, B = White). I got it for just 629 SEK, too (~82.5698 USD)
[03:33] <othernoob> sek= swedish kronen ?
[03:36] <Firetech> yes
[03:37] <othernoob> your burner sounds pretty good :)
[03:39] <Firetech> it surely does :)
[03:40] <Firetech> too bad I lost some of my savings for an Acer Ferrari...
[03:41] <othernoob> yea.. what are you gonna do with your old burner ?
[03:43] <Firetech> It's lying on my bed, guess I'll stomp on it or something :P
[03:44] <othernoob> lol i used to take em apart before buying a new one. checking the lense for nicotine (saved me some money and/or got me an extra burner) ;)
[03:45] <Firetech> I'll maybe take it apart and steal the laser thingie :)
[03:46] <theD3viL> Has anyone seccfully installed and run shoutcast server? I have problems - it says its sleeping.
[03:46] <othernoob> well if it needs some rest then let it sleep ;)
[03:47] <othernoob> naa, haven't. sorry ;)
[03:47] <theD3viL> :S
[03:47] <theD3viL> what about mozilla-mplayer ?
[03:48] <othernoob> i dont use mozilla :/
[03:49] <theD3viL> yes, but with what do you playing internet radio (php) ??
[03:49] <theD3viL> http://www.radiohit.si/live/hitlive.php
[03:49] <theD3viL> with.. ?
[03:50] <Firetech> theD3viL: you don't play a php file
[03:50] <Firetech> php is a scripting language mostly used for webpages
[03:50] <theD3viL> yes i know.. but i cant write different - my english is very bad =)
[03:51] <theD3viL> Firetech: can u test the link? pls.. i just wanna know with which programm
[03:51] <Firetech> mozilla-mplayer want's to play it for me
[03:51] <theD3viL> but, it works ?
[03:51] <Firetech> I don't know
[03:52] <theD3viL> =/
[03:52] <Firetech> It works
[03:52] <theD3viL> ffs, how ?
[03:52] <theD3viL> why i cant play ?
[03:53] <Firetech> I did nothing
[03:53] <theD3viL> can u give me your /etc/mplayerplugin.conf?
[03:53] <Firetech> I use firefox 1.0.4, but it's the official version (directly from mozilla.org)
[03:54] <Firetech> theD3viL: I haven't touched that file
[03:54] <theD3viL> i did.. thats why :)
[03:54] <Firetech> so it should be the default
[03:54] <theD3viL> wait a sec
[03:55] <Firetech> just uninstall mozilla-mplayer completely (purge if you use apt-get/dpkg) and then reinstall it, and the config file should be restored
[03:56] <theD3viL> aha
[03:56] <theD3viL> tnx
[03:57] <theD3viL> installing...
[03:57] <theD3viL> Still doesnt work :(
[03:58] <theD3viL> uu..
[03:59] <theD3viL> works .. but .. weard sound
[03:59] <theD3viL> ..
[04:00] <theD3viL> and dont plays videos.. =/
[04:00] <othernoob> Firetech, would you know a program to extract ace files?
[04:00] <othernoob> unace doesnt work for me
[04:00] <othernoob> i get an "unknown compression method" error
[04:01] <Firetech> no, I don't
[04:02] <Octane> how much swap should i do for 1gb of ram
[04:02] <Octane> 2048?
[04:02] <buz> likely you wont ever need it but 1gb should be plenty
[04:03] <_jr> Mez: dood
[04:03] <Mez> er
[04:03] <Mez> hello +jr
[04:03] <Octane> thanks buz
[04:03] <Mez> _jr *
[04:03] <Mez> whoever you are
[04:03] <Mez> ah
[04:03] <Mez> mr riddell
[04:03] <Mez> :P
[04:03] <Mez> lol
[04:04] <Mez> ctcp- _jr version
[04:31] <Funzo> can i upgrade kde while its running? or do I need to exit kde first?
[04:34] <Mez> Funzo - I managed to upgrade while it was running - just make sure you restart X after (ctrl + alt +backspace)
[04:34] <Funzo> ok
[04:34] <Mez> ;)
[04:34] <Mez> and if things crash
[04:34] <Mez> dont worry too much
[04:34] <Funzo> hahaha
[04:34] <Funzo> i know
[04:35] <Mez> jsut wait until it's done, then restart X
[04:35] <Mez> though to be fair
[04:35] <Mez> nothign crashed for me
[04:35] <Mez> at all
[04:35] <Funzo> hehe
[04:35] <Funzo> ok
[04:35] <Funzo> gonna quit evrything first.... even tho i know it shudnt make a diff
[04:38] <penguinboy> Morning, Guys!
[04:39] <Mez> afternoon
[04:40] <penguinboy> hey Mez!
[04:40] <Mez> hola
[04:40] <penguinboy> how is the UK today?
[04:40] <Mez> I dont know I havent looked yet
[04:40] <penguinboy> lol
[04:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi penguinboy
[04:40] <penguinboy> hey KK
[04:41] <Mez> Kamping_Kaiser, did you try that gaim upload i did?
[04:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> i havent installed, no
[04:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> i'v been fighting cedega
[04:41] <penguinboy> which is better Kopete or Gaim?
[04:41] <Tm_T> Gaim
[04:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> ooooh
[04:41] <Mez> penguinboy - in my opinion, gaim
[04:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> imo gaim
[04:42] <penguinboy> i'll go get it
[04:42] <Mez> but... I did use kopete for a whiel caus eit was purdy and stuff
[04:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> thats 3, what more could you want ;)
[04:42] <Mez> but stopped cause of a bug in ti (which has now been fixeD)
[04:43] <penguinboy> got it
[04:45] <penguinboy> i am having trouble siging onm
[04:46] <penguinboy> how do you make Gaim work?
[04:47] <penguinboy> Is Gaim dependent upon AIM,....do I need an AIM account?
[04:47] <Mez> you dont have to use AIm on it
[04:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> you dont need, but can have
[04:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> the aim in gaim is not to do with aim
[04:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> its GAIM Aint in Instant Mesanger (iir)
[04:49] <penguinboy> it always disconnects me...says incorrect nickname or password
[04:49] <penguinboy> mmm
[04:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> your nickname is "screen name"
[04:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> what protocl?
[04:50] <penguinboy> like PenguinBoy
[04:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> irc? yes
[04:50] <Octane> i dont want to write grub to the MBR i want to do so to my boot partition (/dev/sda1) [which i created as bootable]
[04:51] <Octane> but when i write grub to that part during the installation grub gives me an errror
[04:54] <penguinboy> welcome iuliux and bbna
[04:56] <Octane> can someone please help me this is very frustrating
[04:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> octane, what error?
[04:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> i can try and help ;)
[04:58] <Octane> oh great!
[04:58] <Octane> well its not the error im concerned about
[04:58] <Octane> im just gonna reinstall
[04:58] <Octane> i just want to put the boot loader on a boot partition
[04:58] <Octane> and not the MBR
[04:58] <Octane> but when i write the boot lader to /dev/sda1 (where the boot part is) it doesnt work
[04:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> octane, you can fix the mbr without a reinstall
[04:59] <Octane> how would i do that
[04:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> the Ubuntu cd at least has a rescue mode
[05:00] <penguinboy>
<tt class="COMPUTEROUTPUT">root (hd0,0)
[05:00] <penguinboy>         kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.18-0.12-jul2001 ro root=/dev/hda3</tt>

[05:00] <penguinboy> oops
[05:00] <Octane> Kamping_Kaiser its okay imn gonna reinstall everything anyway
[05:00] <Octane> but i wanna get itright this time
[05:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok.
[05:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. you keep doing that penguinboy
[05:01] <Octane> Kamping_Kaiser but what am i doing wrong
[05:02] <Octane> i have 4 partitions, 1 primary boot 2 primary root 3 primary swap 5 logical home
[05:02] <Octane> and i want the boot loader on the boot partition
[05:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> just the one hdd?
[05:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> why dont you want to overwrite the MBR?
[05:03] <Octane> bercuase i may eventually want to install windows or something
[05:03] <Octane> and dual boot
[05:03] <Octane> for*
[05:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> octane, if you install windows, just go and rescue grub
[05:04] <Octane> hmmm
[05:04] <Octane> okay!
[05:04] <Octane> mbr it is
[05:04] <Octane> i guess i can always fix things
[05:04] <Octane> :)
[05:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[05:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> head back if you have problems
[05:05] <dadan> hi I need to know packages that kubuntu repository have, where i can get it
[05:05] <Octane> etc/apt/sources.conf
[05:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> you mean a list of every package in the repos?
[05:06] <Octane> apt-cache search whatever
[05:06] <dadan> Kamping_Kaiser: yup
[05:06] <Octane> apt-cache list ?
[05:06] <Octane> apt-cache --help
[05:06] <dadan> ok
[05:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> apt-cache dump
[05:06] <Octane> Kamping_Kaiser how would i get a boot partition going though
[05:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> i recomend |less
[05:07] <Octane> hypotically speaking :)
[05:07] <Octane> hypothetically even
[05:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> octane, what do you want the boot partition for?
[05:07] <Octane> 'because windows overwrites the mbr
[05:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> leave space at the start of the drive, you install doze, and it kills grub.
[05:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> then
[05:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> you go and launch the install cd , and when it gives the Ubuntu /Kubuntu prompt, type rescue
[05:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> it drops into a shell, and you type "grub-install /dev/sda[1?] "
[05:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> and your set
[05:09] <Octane> i dont understand, i have the boot part, its got a bootable flag, and then i put grub on /dev/sda1 and it didnt work
[05:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> thats it in short
[05:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> sorry for flood
[05:10] <Octane> thats a good flood :)
[05:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> the boot partition is where the part of the system goes that is used to boot the system
[05:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> system == Linux/bsd/hurd/whatever
[05:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> not windows :O
[05:11] <Octane> so should i just leave 100 megs at the beginning of the drive mark it boot and still write grub to MBR
[05:11] <dadan> hi i need messengger that support webcam is kubuntu have it
[05:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> octane, you dont need a /boot partition on a system
[05:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> its mostly for security
[05:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> imo
[05:11] <Octane> it goes in root part
[05:11] <Octane> should i mark it bootable/
[05:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> dadan, depends on the webcam i expect
[05:12] <Octane> yah depends on webcam
[05:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> octane, a good reason to have /boot on a seperate partition, is that when the OS has loaded, that data is no longer used. if you writ protect the partition, you will always have a clean boot
[05:13] <Octane> ahh thank you
[05:13] <Octane> good to know
[05:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> so its especialy good for servers
[05:13] <dadan> i have mycam
[05:14] <dadan> how abouy gyache
[05:14] <Octane> try gnomemeeting dadan
[05:14] <dadan> how about gyache
[05:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> octane, this is #Kubuntu
[05:14] <Octane> lol
[05:14] <Octane> :X
[05:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;)
[05:15] <dadan> knomemeeting i guess LOL
[05:15] <dadan> :P
[05:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[05:15] <Octane> :)
[05:15] <Octane> ya just put a k in fropnt of it
[05:16] <dadan> heuheuhueh
[05:17] <iuliux> what is the command for copiing a folder+it's subforders?
[05:17] <iuliux> *copying
[05:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> cp
[05:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> cp -R
[05:18] <shogouki> -r
[05:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> r==R
[05:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> afaik
[05:18] <shogouki> seems
[05:21] <iuliux> thamks guys
[05:21] <iuliux> *thanks
[05:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[05:22] <dadan> how i can install GCC in kubuntu
[05:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> apt-get install gcc-3.*
[05:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> * being 3 or 4
[05:23] <dadan> which better
[05:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> not so much better, but go with 4
[05:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> and get gcc3.4-docs as well
[05:23] <dadan> apt-get install gcc-4 <-- like this
[05:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> dont
[05:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> apt-get install 3.4
[05:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> *
[05:24] <dadan> how
[05:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> apt-get install gcc-3.4
[05:24] <dadan> sorry i've to much ask, but i'm newbie
[05:25] <dadan> ;)
[05:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> gcc-4 is out, but its not well supported by K/Ubuntu
[05:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> thats cool :)
[05:25] <dadan> heehehe
[05:25] <dadan> i need gcc to compiling eggdrop
[05:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> i asked most questions as well, thats why i know some answers
[05:26] <dadan> ohh Kamping_Kaiser  you so kind
[05:26] <dadan> hahahahha
[05:26] <dadan> lol
[05:28] <dadan> if i get packages from debian repository what architecture should i get
[05:28] <dadan> sarge
[05:28] <dadan> woody
[05:28] <dadan> or sid
[05:28] <dadan> if i get packages from debian repository what architecture should i get
[05:28] <dadan> sarge
[05:28] <dadan> woody
[05:28] <dadan> or sid
[05:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol that was funny
[05:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> you timed that message just right to screw me ;)
[05:29] <dadan> hehehhe
[05:29] <dadan> Kamping_Kaiser: hooh
[05:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> :P
[05:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> getting from Debian sarge preferably
[05:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> but idealy you dont use Debian packages
[05:30] <dadan> i need wine
[05:30] <Octane> Kamping_Kaiser now i instlaled grub to the MBR and i still get an error with grub!
[05:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> octane, what error
[05:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> dadan, Ubuntu has it
[05:30] <Octane> error 15
[05:30] <dadan> to launch my windows aplication
[05:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> dadan its in universe
[05:31] <dadan> how i can install wine
[05:31] <Octane> so i loaded in rescue and did grub-install /dev/sda1 and i got the error "/boot/grub/stage2 no read correctly"
[05:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> dadan, do you know how to use kynaptic?
[05:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> octane, not sure i can help with that :S i dont recognise it
[05:32] <dadan> nop
[05:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> um.. ok
[05:33] <dadan> how to use it
[05:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> i dont know ;)
[05:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> i use Ubuntu
[05:33] <dadan> ooo
[05:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> so we will edit the file by hand
[05:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> open up a terminal
[05:33] <dadan> it's same with gynaptic isn't
[05:33] <dadan> :P
[05:33] <b1rkoff> hi
[05:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> (called konsole)
[05:33] <b1rkoff> :)
[05:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> :P Synaptic
[05:34] <dadan> Kamping_Kaiser: then
[05:34] <b1rkoff> Octane: whats wrong ?
[05:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> type "sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list"
[05:35] <Octane> b1rkoff: grub gives me error 15 when it tries to load on boot
[05:35] <Octane> b1rkoff: i first tried installing it to /dev/sda1 (my boot part) and that didnt work, so i tried to do it to MBR and i get the same error
[05:35] <dadan> Octane: try to change your hardisk mode from lba to chs in bios
[05:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> dadan, try "sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list"
[05:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> ping! dadan
[05:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> i want to go to bed
[05:38] <dadan> heuehueheu
[05:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> :P
[05:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> i just noticed its 1:08 am here
[05:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> 1L09
[05:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> 1:09 even
[05:40] <Octane> Kamping_Kaiser where are you
[05:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> Adelaide, Australia, +930 hours
[05:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol -> Lady Luck brings added income today.  Lady friend takes it away tonight.
[05:45] <Octane> Kamping_Kaiser ive been to adelaide
[05:45] <Octane> and to kangaroo island too :)
[05:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> cool :)
[05:46] <dadan> <IP_ADDRESS> <--- how i can trace this ip in kubuntu
[05:46] <Octane> actually funny story about adelaide -- i met a girl on ICQ who lived there totally randomly prior to going to there (this is 8 years ago)
[05:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> how long for?
[05:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> dadan, with host
[05:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> and whois
[05:46] <Octane> and i met her in adeliade
[05:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> o_0
[05:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> octane, does it get better ? ;)
[05:47] <Octane> we hooked up
[05:47] <Octane> it was totally random
[05:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[05:47] <apollo2011> I am trying to compile WineX from source and I installed ok following the instructions at http://frankscorner.org/index.php?p=cedegacvs and used the .wine directory available on the site but now I get the below error when I try to run a downloaded version of dcom98.exe:
[05:47] <apollo2011> > ksut@Playroom1-Ubuntu:~/Downloads$ wine dcom98.exe
[05:47] <apollo2011> > wine: chdir to /home/ksut/.wine/wineserver-Playroom1-Ubuntu : No such file or directory
[05:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> where do you live?
[05:51] <Octane> Kamping_Kaiser i cant live out in the sticks man
[05:51] <Octane> need urban
[05:51] <Octane> too lonely i guess
[05:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. YOUR ON IRC
[05:51] <seth_k> _chris : what messagn do you get?
[05:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> :P
[05:54] <seth_k> _chris, are you using the US archives? (http://us.archive.ubuntu.com)
[05:54] <_chris> yes
[05:54] <seth_k> _chris, known issue. You'll just have to wait
[05:54] <seth_k> _chris, or switch sourcelists to http://archive.ubuntu.com
[05:55] <seth_k> ca and us are confirmed bad at this time
[05:55] <_chris> seth_k, thanks
[05:56] <seth_k> _chris, you can try this thread in the Ubuntu Forums for updates: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=40856
[05:57] <seth_k> _chris, you might try backports for firefox unless you don't like using them
[05:57] <dadan> hummm nyummi
[06:00] <_chris> _seth_k, I just changed my sources.list file - worked like a charm by changing sources.
[06:02] <seth_k> _chris, good to hear, have fun!
[06:02] <_chris> have another question - I have a secondary hard drive /dev/hdb1 that mounts through fstab to /home/chris/storage
[06:03] <_chris> in Mandrake 10.1, the owner, user permissions were set to chris - with Kubuntu the owner, user is 501??
[06:03] <_chris> any ideas why that happens
[06:03] <seth_k> can you paste your fstab entry?
[06:04] <_chris> '/dev/hdb1 /home/chris/storage ext3 defualts 1 2'
[06:06] <Shuddertrix> Hopefully with defaults spelled correctly?
[06:06] <seth_k> pwnt
[06:06] <_chris> yes :)
[06:06] <seth_k> don't you need user,defaults ?
[06:06] <seth_k> although never seen the user not be root and be some sort of numbe
[06:06] <seth_k> r
[06:07] <_chris> i basically used the same fstab entry that i used in Mandrake.  Figured the same would work
[06:09] <seth_k> you could do something like this
[06:09] <seth_k> defaults,user,uid=chris,gid=whatever
[06:10] <seth_k> either one of your gids, or root, or a new gid
[06:10] <seth_k> however you want to work access to the storage drive
[06:16] <seth_k> although in the end, why does it matter what the mount is owned to, as long as you set umask appropriately
[06:16] <seth_k> am reading mount(8) and it doesn't appear you can set uid and gid on an ext3 mount :/
[06:19] <_chris> i think the reason it is 501 now is because chris was 501 when I had Mandrake as my OS
[06:19] <_chris> and now Kubuntu doesn't know who 501 is
[06:25] <wizzard> hi
[06:25] <wizzard> does anybody know where can I get apt-get source for Krita? (KOffice graphics program)
[06:29] <Chameleon22> hi all, just did apt-get phpdoc and it installed and all, but trying to run it on a script and i cant bloodey find the executable
[06:31] <Firetech> Chameleon22: phpdoc contains the documentation for php, it's only a manual.
[06:31] <Firetech> LG GSA-4163B (LG)
[06:31] <Firetech> woot
[06:31] <Chameleon22> uh crap
[06:31] <Firetech> wrong thing to paste
[06:32] <Firetech> This package provides the documentation for the PHP4 scripting language.
[06:32] <Firetech>  It is mostly complete now, but it undergoes continual improvements.
[06:32] <Chameleon22> whats the name of the actual documentor?
[06:33] <Firetech> documentor?
[06:33] <Chameleon22> to run on scripts to generate api type of docs
[06:34] <Firetech> I didn't know that thing existed, and I don't know what it's good for
[06:35] <Chameleon22> well it oes lol
[06:35] <Chameleon22> *does
[06:38] <Chameleon22> Firetech: uhh its a pear pkg ... silly me
[06:45] <wizzard> pls, how can I add a source for an unstable KOffice to my apt-get config file?
[06:50] <penguinboy> wizzard go through Synaptic
[06:52] <penguinboy> then click on settings and then repositories and then place a check mark in all bozes
[06:52] <penguinboy> that would be the easiest way
[06:52] <penguinboy> in Linux there are hard ways and there are easy ways
[06:54] <wizzard> penguinboy, ok, but I need to add some line to my apt-get config file
[07:02] <el_zor0> quit konnection reset by peer
[07:03] <Tm_T> haha
[07:07] <thakat> I have the latest version of Kubuntu running (5.04) When I get open firefox it stalls for about 20-40 seconds before anything happens. Anytime I click a hyperlink or post anything the same delay happens. I have Qwest DSL. Funny thing about this is I have a dual boot system and windows gets on it really quick with no lag. How do I make it work right?
[07:08] <thakat> and I'm behind a router.
[07:08] <liz4rd> where are the icons stored :P
[07:08] <liz4rd> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:08] <thakat> is that for me?
[07:08] <liz4rd> yeah
[07:10] <dadan> how i can install tcl in kubuntu
[07:10] <thakat> Anything I need to do after I get the upgrades?
[07:12] <liz4rd> thakat: not really
[07:12] <liz4rd> and if firefox keeps doing that...maybe compile it?
[07:13] <thakat> cool thanks
[07:13] <liz4rd> firstsudo apt-get remove mozilla-firefox
[07:13] <liz4rd> then compile it if you want
[07:13] <liz4rd> it might work
[07:13] <thakat> I don't think it is the browser.  All internet related apps share the same problem.
[07:14] <liz4rd> then its your nic :P
[07:14] <dadan> how i can install tcl in kubuntu
[07:14] <thakat> thanks again I'
[07:14] <thakat> I'll keep my fingers crossed
[07:14] <liz4rd> dadan: google.com <-- use the force
[07:15] <liz4rd> dadan: try the ubuntu wiki
[07:15] <liz4rd> or is there a kubuntu one?
[07:16] <somez> hi everyone!
[07:16] <liz4rd> hi\
[07:16] <somez> guys don't you know where can I find a package for the latest gaim?
[07:16] <liz4rd> yup
[07:16] <somez> ubuntu repositories has only 1.1.4
[07:17] <somez> but the latest gaim is 1.3.1
[07:17] <liz4rd> is it
[07:17] <liz4rd> *checks his version*
[07:17] <somez> :-)
[07:17] <liz4rd> i changed my repos so i dont know for sure
[07:17] <Somez> wich version of gaim are you using?
[07:18] <liz4rd> 1.1.4
[07:18] <Somez> :-((
[07:18] <Somez> so I must use the source
[07:18] <Somez> are you using firefox?
[07:19] <liz4rd> yes
[07:19] <Somez> because gaim prevents my firefox from typing an url :-((
[07:19] <liz4rd> eh?
[07:19] <Somez> if gaim is active, I can't type urls in firefox...
[07:19] <liz4rd> thats messed
[07:19] <Shuddertrix> you could try to autopackage too.
[07:19] <Somez> strange bug
[07:19] <Somez> what is autopackage?
[07:19] <Somez> is it working under ubuntu?
[07:19] <Shuddertrix> err, try the autopackage i mean
[07:19] <Shuddertrix> it might work
[07:20] <Shuddertrix> Me? Helping people? I just lead them in circles.
[07:20] <penguinboy> lol
[07:20] <liz4rd> lol!
[07:22] <Bicchi> i noticed that everytime kde start my desktop icons are rearranged in a different order. how can i maintain the same sorted order every time.
[07:23] <liz4rd> install xfce4
[07:23] <liz4rd> :D
[07:23] <liz4rd> jk dont listen to me
[07:23] <penguinboy> right click on desktop...click on icons...click on align to grid
[07:24] <Bicchi> i have that set but my icons a grouped by different columns
[07:24] <dadan> The following packages will be upgraded:
[07:24] <dadan>   binutils bzip2 dcoprss gdb gzip imagemagick kdelibs-bin kdelibs-data kdelibs4 kdenetwork kdenetwork-filesharing
[07:24] <dadan>   kdenetwork-kfile-plugins knetworkconf knewsticker kopete kpf kppp krdc krfb kwifimanager libbz2-1.0 libgnutls11
[07:24] <dadan>   libmagick6 libpq3 librss1 libtiff4 libxine1 linux-image-2.6.10-5-386 mozilla-firefox-locale-en-gb openoffice.org
[07:24] <dadan>   openoffice.org-bin openoffice.org-kde openoffice.org-l10n-en openoffice.org-thesaurus-en-us tcpdump ttf-opensymbol
[07:24] <dadan> 36 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[07:24] <dadan> Need to get 183kB/109MB of archives.
[07:24] <dadan> After unpacking 12.3kB disk space will be freed.
[07:24] <dadan> Do you want to continue [Y/n] ? y
[07:24] <dadan> Get:1 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary-updates/main kwifimanager 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu2.1 [183kB]
[07:24] <dadan> Fetched 183kB in 15s (12.1kB/s)
[07:24] <dadan> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kdenetwork/kwifimanager_3.4.0-0ubuntu2.1_i386.deb  MD5Sum mismatch
[07:24] <dadan> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[07:24] <dadan> whats wrong
[07:24] <dadan> how i can fix it
[07:24] <KaiL_> know.
[07:24] <KaiL_> server broken
[07:25] <dadan> any ideas what should i do
[07:25] <Octane> whats the firs tthing one should do once you get a new kubuntu box up?
[07:26] <Octane> apt-get update/upgrade?
[07:26] <Bicchi> penguinboy: i have the align to grid set but my icons a grouped by different columns. i want to list them just like windows does. Fill the first column then the second, etc.
 whats the firs tthing one should do once you get a new kubuntu box up? <-- do you mean that i should restart my computer
[07:27] <dadan> ?
[07:28] <Octane> huh??:?
[07:28] <dadan> :)
[07:29] <Bicchi> Octane: get to know ubuntu like undertand how to use synaptic.
[07:29] <penguinboy> lol
[07:30] <penguinboy> Bicchi: then click on desktop....icons...and then align vertically...viola...Windows style
[07:30] <penguinboy> Synaptic is KEWL!
[07:30] <Bicchi> penguinboy: but after i restart kde the icons go back to missalign and are spread in dfferent columnns
[07:31] <penguinboy> mmm mmm one sec
[07:32] <Octane> Bicchi im a semi-advanced user
[07:32] <Octane> Bicchi i was referring to whether i need to add some more reports to sources.list
[07:33] <Bicchi> Octane: check out the FAQ in ubuntu and kubuntu.
[07:34] <Octane> im reviewing it right now
[07:51] <Octane> god i fucking hate grub
[07:52] <vicks> anyone heard how qt-mozilla is coming along?
[07:53] <Octane> i didnt evn know such a project existed
[07:53] <mrabti> Hello Every Boby
[07:53] <mrabti> I want some Information About Assembleur In linux Please
[07:54] <Octane> the weirdest thing is happening -- i have my kubuntu install (/dev/sda) and grub loads fine w/o any other drives connected, but when i put in /dev/hda & /dev/hdb, grub gives me error 15 file not found
[07:54] <mrabti> Pleeeeeeeeeeease
[07:54] <mrabti> can anyone Help
[07:55] <vicks> Octane: they started the project at the last akademy ( i think). it's made by som of the people of khtml, and according to them it's probably going to be the default engine over khtml in konqueror
[07:56] <vicks> which i think is great, but many others don't
[07:58] <mrabti> I Have A problem In Kubuntu
[07:59] <mrabti> Can anyone Help me Please
[07:59] <mrabti> Je recois beaucoup de Crash
[08:00] <Tm_T> eh?
[08:02] <liz4rd> milk
[08:02] <liz4rd> translation = milk
[08:08] <Tm_T> haha
[08:08] <Tm_T> liz4rd: hv
[08:08] <liz4rd> :D
[08:09] <liz4rd> google translation: I recois much of Crash
[08:09] <liz4rd> i think he means
[08:09] <liz4rd> MILK
[08:20] <_duende> Is there a way to stop synaptic from upgrading your kernel?
[08:20] <_duende> or should i just use dselect and do a '=' ?
[08:20] <nmorse> clear
[08:21] <_duende> would that stop it from trying to upgrade later on?
[08:22] <weedar> I want to extract the contents of a self-extracting .exe file in linux, which program has this functionality?
[08:22] <onno> Why does kubuntu download so slow via torrent?
[08:22] <_duende> onno: there are way too many variables there to tell you why
[08:23] <onno> Well could somebody open its torrent
[08:23] <onno> so it would go faster...
[08:23] <duende> weedar: i know in windows i can open a self-extracting exe file in winrar or winzip.  perhaps you can do the same in linux with unzip or something like that
[08:23] <onno> If I download ubunut it goes 400k a sec Kubuntu 20kbs
[08:23] <duende> weedar: i seem to remember doing it with a self extracting bootdisk creator exe in linux
[08:23] <weedar> duende: I tried unzip, it didn't work. Even tried running it in wine with no success. I know there is a program that handles these files I just can't remember which :)
[08:23] <duende> oh, ok
[08:25] <onno> What would you recomend Kubuntu, ubuntu or mandrake for somebody who doesn't know anything about GNU/Linux (my father in law)
[08:25] <Tm_T> Kubuntu
[08:25] <KaiL_> kubuntu
[08:25] <KaiL_> second ubuntu
[08:25] <KaiL_> then nothing :)
[08:25] <duende> lol
[08:25] <crimsun> I recommend Windows
[08:25] <duende> a bit partial aren't we?
[08:26] <crimsun> seriously though, try Kubuntu
[08:26] <Tm_T> crimsun: should I kill you or do you do it yourself?
[08:26] <Tm_T> ] ;=
[08:26] <crimsun> hah
[08:26] <Octane> how does one enter root mode
[08:26] <seth_k> Kubuntu is definitely more Windows-ish, so it's easier to get immersed imo
[08:26] <KaiL_> duende: no, only read an article about mdk on a laptop, which is fully supported by kubuntu
[08:26] <crimsun> Octane: see the topic faq in #ubuntu regarding root
[08:26] <KaiL_> (Asus M2400N to be exact)
[08:26] <duende> ?
[08:26] <duende> was that meant for me?
[08:26] <Octane> crimsun thank ya
[08:27] <KaiL_> duende: (k)ubuntu can do EVERYTHING on that out of the box
[08:27] <KaiL_> mdk needs a lot of work
[08:27] <Octane> crimsun no such thing
[08:27] <duende> KaiL_: eh? i didn't ask a question, i think you mean someone else
[08:27] <crimsun> argh
[08:27] <seth_k> Octane: you really wish to become root and not use sudo?
 a bit partial aren't we? << was about that
[08:27] <duende> ooh
[08:27] <onno> Isn't there a faster way to install kubuntu then downloading the full CD?
[08:27] <duende> that was rhetorical
[08:27] <crimsun> Octane: search the wiki for the root faq
[08:27] <duende> heh
[08:28] <Octane> crimsun got it
[08:28] <Octane> seth_k ya while i get my system like i want it
[08:28] <weedar> still not extracting this exe, any takers?
[08:28] <duende> what is the exe?
[08:28] <KaiL_> duende: I only wanted to say, that I don't recommened mdk, because I think it isn't good enough.
[08:28] <seth_k> Octane: sudo passwd root should let you set a password for the root user
[08:29] <KaiL_> not because I work on kubuntu
[08:29] <duende> KaiL_: yeah, i agree, i was never a big fan of it.
[08:29] <duende> KaiL_: what about SUSE?
[08:29] <Octane> beautiful now i can su - :)
[08:30] <KaiL_> suse? I didn't read that much good about 9.3
[08:30] <nmorse_> I like the green themes in SuSE
[08:30] <nmorse_> Too much Blue in most KDE stuff
[08:31] <KaiL_> I primary look at hardware support (esp. those out-of-the-box)
[08:31] <KaiL_> there ubuntu is imho far ahead of any other OS
[08:31] <nmorse> Yeah, Ubuntu wins hands-down on hardware support
[08:31] <duende> KaiL_: i h aven' tried 9.3 yet, but i heard bad stuff about it.  and i have been a big fan of suse
[08:32] <seth_k> Really? I have a partition all ready to go for installing 9.3, havne't done it yet
[08:32] <seth_k> 9.2 was quite nice
[08:33] <duende> i think i have 9.1 on dvd, that was nice
[08:33] <KaiL_> duende: German c't magazine (heise) wrote, that SuSE 6.3 has a broken alsa
[08:33] <duende> plus the gimped multimedia
[08:33] <KaiL_> and even as they (as always..) use breeding edge software: no intel hd audio
[08:33] <nmorse> Anyone else love the amazing Konversation Handbook?
[08:33] <nmorse> That's some way to RTFM
[08:34] <nmorse> Here's a copy of it:
[08:34] <hmt> what is the best way to change the locale on kubuntu? (in a way that all apps follow the setting)
[08:34] <nmorse> great now it comes up
[08:34] <duende> lol
[08:34] <nmorse> Now that I look like a moron
[08:34] <duende> i was gonna say
[08:34] <seth_k> lol
[08:34] <duende> i just pulled up mine and thinking "what is this idiot talking about"
[08:34] <duende> no offense
[08:35] <nmorse> I had to open it a second time
[08:35] <nmorse> It came up blank the first time
[08:36] <KaiL_> I never tried Fedora - is that usable for average users?
[08:36] <duende> me neither
[08:36] <duende> i gave up on redhat after 6.2
[08:36] <nmorse> I gave up after 9
[08:37] <nmorse> I only used 8 & 9 though
[08:37] <seth_k> haha, I can boot Kubuntu, shut down, boot again, log in, all before my instructor's fedora core 3 install boots ONCE
[08:37] <seth_k> so bloated
[08:37] <nmorse> Switched to SuSE, then back to Debian
[08:37] <nmorse> Then to gentoo, then back to a Debian Derivative (Kubuntu) and I'll probably wind up in Sid soon
[08:37] <duende> I wish my system didn't lock up so much.  I'm pretty sure it's not a ubuntu issue, but, it locks up whenever something goes on with the video like playing a game, or logging out.
[08:37] <nmorse> I'm an OS whore
[08:37] <Octane> anyone know the package name of an amarok-xine package?]
[08:38] <KaiL_> seth_k: fedora so slow?
[08:38] <nmorse> use amarok-engines
[08:38] <KaiL_> duende: same on any other OS?
[08:38] <Octane> nmorse from which repo/
[08:38] <duende> KaiL_: well, no.  :)  maybe it is a ubuntu issue
[08:38] <KaiL_> don't know anything about it
[08:39] <duende> i tried upgrading my vid drivers, no change.
[08:39] <KaiL_> Octane: amarok-xine (afaik in universe)
[08:39] <Octane> KaiL_ nope nothing in universe
[08:39] <Octane> only artsd
[08:39] <KaiL_> and why do I see it here? :)
[08:39] <nmorse> universe?
[08:39] <duende> mine's in universe
[08:39] <KaiL_> did you apt-get update after enableing universe? :)
[08:40] <Octane> yes of course
[08:40] <quam> anyone want to give me a good reason to use kde over gnome? :p
[08:40] <duende> it's better
[08:40] <quam> haha
[08:40] <quam> you'll have to do better than that :P
[08:40] <seth_k> SFTP allows you to edit live?
[08:40] <Octane> quam i switched from gnome to kde
[08:40] <nmorse> Universe/KDE
[08:40] <KaiL_> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/kde/amarok-xine
[08:40] <duende> it's more unified, easier to use, etc.
[08:40] <seth_k> That kills gnome for me
[08:40] <seth_k> if you mount an SFTP volume in Gnome
[08:40] <seth_k> it's read only
[08:40] <nmorse> KIOSlaves
[08:40] <nmorse> Enough said
[08:40] <seth_k> KDE is smart enough to save a local copy, make changes, and reupload
[08:41] <nmorse> Opening a remote text file straight to Kate
[08:41] <nmorse> Kdevelop3
[08:41] <nmorse> dcop
[08:41] <duende> the days of a linux desktop being a patched-together mess of applications that look nor function alike is long past us with KDE
[08:41] <quam> well, im getting the kubuntu package, thought i'd at least look at it
[08:41] <nmorse> KAtomic
[08:41] <nmorse> You should, quam
[08:42] <Octane> do you guys also add universe-security to sources?
[08:42] <nmorse> But when you first get into it, run kpersonalizer
[08:42] <nmorse> I don't really like Kubuntu's default, and you probably won't either
[08:42] <quam> i was using mepis, and gnome looked a lot cleaner than kde, more crisp.  went to ubuntu because nothing worked out of the box with mepis. damn oddball laptop
[08:46] <ilba7r> hi i am running ubuntu and want to install kde i added the repos but whenever i check kde i get error messages is the repos at the start of the page is just an upgrade or can i just use it to install from scratch
[08:47] <seth_k> ilba7r, you're going to need to be a lot more specific
[08:47] <seth_k> what error?
[08:47] <ilba7r> i tried kdeadmin
[08:47] <Octane> grrr i get random md5sum mismatches on different packages
[08:47] <Octane> anyone have any idea what gives
[08:48] <ilba7r> when i checked it it said that there are other packages that are needed but can not be installed
[08:48] <firasR> ilba7r:  try installing the kubuntu-desktop package
[08:48] <seth_k> Octane: ca and us archives are wack
[08:48] <seth_k> Octane: use http://archive.ubuntu.com for now
[08:48] <Octane> ahh okay
[08:48] <ilba7r> so i have to recheck the official ubuntu repos then ok
[08:48] <firasR> ilba7r:  try doing an apt-get update and then an apt-get dist-upgrade first
[08:49] <Octane> seth_k should i also uncomment universe security?
[08:49] <Octane> hoary-security universe i mean
[08:49] <quam> bah, getting a lot of packages with md5 sum errors when trying to get kubuntu from synaptic
[08:49] <seth_k> Octane, can't hurt
[08:50] <seth_k> quam, use http://archive.ubuntu.com
[08:50] <seth_k> quam, us and ca archives are borked for now
[08:50] <Octane> someone should topic that :)
[08:50] <Octane> ive been pulling hairs over that
[08:50] <firasR> seth_k:  any particular reason for that seth ( i noticed that myself )
[08:50] <ilba7r> thanx friasr
[08:50] <seth_k> firasR, us and ca servers were down for appx 1h15m yesterday
[08:50] <Octane> is doing dist-upgrade important?
[08:50] <seth_k> your guess is as good as mine, but something's up
[08:51] <seth_k> Octane, just use (s|k)ynaptic
[08:51] <Octane> i like command proimpt though
[08:51] <Octane> i cant use kynpatic, it doesnt feel right]
[08:52] <seth_k> just make sure a dist-upgrade doesn't remove half your install then :P
[08:52] <seth_k> although I'm running breezy, probably doesn't apply to hoary
[08:52] <seth_k> since things are settled
[08:52] <firasR> ilba7r : 7ayyaak Allaah, anytime
[08:53] <seth_k> I would topic the us|ca archive thing, but I wouldn't want to be shot for it :P
[08:54] <firasR> Octane:  as far as i know apt-get upgrade only upgrades installed packages, sometimes updated packages require new packages and apt will complain because of that, in this dist-upgrade works better cause it will install any new packages that are needed by an updated package, makes sense ? :)
[08:54] <firasR> hehe
[08:54] <seth_k> haha
[08:54] <gdh> :)
[08:55] <quam> seth_k: thx, got all the packages downloaded and installing now
[08:55] <seth_k> grood
[08:55] <firasR> gdh: just be careful u don't offend the canadians though ! ( US != north america )
[08:55] <quam> canadians don't count :)
[08:55] <seth_k> everybody loves canadians
[08:55] <gdh> Oh dear, let's not start that again :)
[08:55] <quam> hehe
[08:55] <gdh> , eh.
[08:55] <seth_k> how can you not like them? they have mounties
[08:55] <seth_k> :P
[08:55] <firasR> lol
[08:56] <gdh> Mounties are cool, yes :)
[08:56] <quam> i thought the mounties were just their form of chippendales :P
[08:56] <gdh> but I couldn't eat a whole one.
[08:58] <Octane> firasR thanks for that explanation :)
[08:59] <firasR> Octane:  u'r more than welcome :)
[08:59] <gdh> I have the same problem with 'it all being the same thing' ... I'm from Northern Ireland.. I'm British, not Irish :)
[09:00] <quam> ok, in kubuntu now, what was that command someone suggested?
[09:00] <quam> to customize shit or something :P kconfigure or something similar
[09:00] <gdh> sudo kcontrol ?
[09:00] <seth_k> kpersonalizer
[09:00] <quam> no
[09:00] <quam> that's it
[09:00] <seth_k> ^_^
[09:00] <gdh> sudo mkfs can be fun, too :)
[09:00] <quam> no :P
[09:02] <firasR> gdh:  i went to a british school from 1st all the way to high school (or secondary school as it was called) and with all due respect i still get confused with all that UK, Britain, Ireland, N Ireland, Scotland thing
[09:02] <firasR> gdh:  problem was i had teachers from all of them so that didn't help either, just made me more confused :) hehe
[09:03] <gdh> =) It's terribly simple, really... the 'UK' is 'The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland'
[09:04] <firasR> oh i forgot to mention "Englad" as well
[09:04] <firasR> "England"
[09:04] <gdh> You also forgot Wales, but hey that's understandable :))
[09:05] <nmorse> quam: kpersonalizer
[09:05] <firasR> hehe, i had teachers from there as well !
[09:05] <nmorse> Cornwall?
[09:05] <gdh> Heh, the Cornish love to think of themselves as their own little independent toe of the UK.
[09:06] <gdh> you can't run an independent state on exports of pasties alone.
[09:06] <firasR> gdh:  great, that's UK defined, so what about England ?
[09:06] <gdh> England is part of Great Britain (Eng, Scot, Wales)
[09:07] <Tm_T> and northern ireland
[09:07] <gdh> It's part of the UK.
[09:07] <firasR> that's where I get lost !
[09:07] <gdh> and the British Isles includes the Republic of Ireland, and Isle of Man, and the Channel Islands.
[09:07] <gdh> hehe :)
[09:08] <nmorse> Yeah, and Ireland's not even in the EU
[09:08] <gdh> Sorry?
[09:08] <gdh> It is, rather :)
[09:08] <gdh> they've been using the Euro as their currency for about 4 years now
[09:08] <nmorse> Hmm, I though they held out when the UK signed over
[09:09] <nmorse> I got this huge map from National Geographic
[09:09] <nmorse> It listed Iceland, Ireland, Switzerland, and I think Turkey as not in the EU
[09:09] <KaiL_> Ireland..?
[09:09] <gdh> it's a bit out of date then
[09:10] <KaiL_> gdh: Ireland is in the EU since 1987 afair
[09:10] <gdh> Yep that sounds about right
[09:11] <nmorse> So much for those maps being any good
[09:11] <gdh> http://europa.eu.int/abc/european_countries/eu_members/ireland/index_en.htm
[09:11] <gdh> wow, 1973
[09:11] <nmorse> Probably they'll run a correction next issue
[09:11] <nmorse> I think the EU is the worst idea ever
[09:12] <nmorse> Too many countries and things that aren't countries in Europe
[09:12] <nmorse> Catalunya comes to mind
[09:12] <Tm_T> nmorse: not worst idea, but it sucks how it's done
[09:12] <gdh> It's a fantastic money pit, for sure.
[09:12] <gdh> a lovely long snaking gravy train
[09:13] <Octane> whats a good package for apache
[09:13] <Octane> that will install php and all the good stuff
[09:13] <Octane> like a suite of some sort perhaps
[09:14] <gdh> er, apt-get install apache phpmyadmin mysql-server
[09:14] <gdh> ?
[09:14] <Octane> dont need mysql-server
[09:14] <gdh> heh, you usually can't escape it :)
[09:14] <Octane> i have it on my server box ;)
[09:16] <nmorse> postgres-sql
[09:16] <firasR> Octane:  apache2 and php4 packages should do it for u
[09:18] <Octane> thank ya, again
[09:19] <firasR> ur welcome
[09:21] <Firetech> seth_k: I run it, but I compiled it myself... There is a complete guide in the wiki
[09:21] <nmorse> well, quam, how's KDE treating you?
[09:22] <seth_k> firetech: compiling from source is against my religion, or something like that :P
[09:23] <Firetech> seth_k: It is really simple
[09:23] <seth_k> firetech: I saw the guide in the wiki, might have to break my vows and try it ;)
[09:23] <firasR> seth_k:  aaaw, where's ur sense of adventure ?! take's all the fun out of running a *nix distro if u don't compile anything !
[09:24] <seth_k> firetech: don't you have to compile each module you need?
[09:24] <Firetech> it's in one simple command: make.
[09:25] <Firetech> all modules are compiled with it (you have to select which modules you want to compile with that long ./configure command)
[09:25] <Octane> man i love the kubuntu iconset
[09:25] <seth_k> ah, so you don't have to configure and make for each one
[09:25] <seth_k> that sounds much better
[09:25] <firasR> later all
[09:28] <Octane> weird. my kb just stopped working
[09:28] <seth_k> and yet you typed that sentence? :D
[09:29] <Octane> LOL on my kubuntu box thjis is a laptop :)))))))))
[09:29] <seth_k> fine fine :P
[09:30] <gdh> why do all the manufacturers insist on saying 'notebook' ? Surely something like a PDA is more like a 'notebook' ?
[09:30] <Firetech> heh, the <TITLE> of PostgreSQL's website says "PostgreSQL: The world's most advanced open source database", the <TITLE> of MySQL's website says "MySQL: The World's Most Popular Open Source Database"
[09:30] <gdh> Yet they call them 'handhelds' ... ffs
[09:30] <Firetech> that's a bit too similar
[09:30] <gdh> MySQL == VHS, pgsql == Beta :)
[09:31] <quam> heh
[09:33] <_chris> when I used Webmin on Mandrake, I always used root for user and my root pass.  How is this handled in Kubuntu?
[09:33] <_chris> since there is no root pass
[09:33] <quam> the sudo command is used to run processes that require root authority
[09:34] <_chris> i understand
[09:34] <quam> you can turn the root account on if you wish, check the ubuntu wiki for rootsudo
[09:34] <seth_k> or just sudo passwd root, yes?
[09:35] <_chris> i tried sudo passwd root
[09:35] <_chris> I get sorry, try again
[09:35] <seth_k> you put in your password first?
[09:35] <quam> enter your password first
[09:35] <gdh> :)
[09:35] <quam> then the password you want for root
[09:35] <seth_k> yep
[09:36] <_chris> red
[09:36] <gdh> your user password is 'red' ? erk :)
[09:36] <seth_k> haha
[09:36] <_chris> hahaha
[09:36] <quam> heh
[09:36] <gdh> pwned =)
[09:37] <quam> seth you use gaim for irc?
[09:37] <_chris> i've got to get used to this sudo bizness
[09:37] <seth_k> quam: yeah, I don't IRC enough to justify running two clients
[09:38] <seth_k> e.g. gaim + xchat
[09:38] <quam> bitchx > xchat
[09:38] <quam> even konversation > xchat
[09:38] <quam> konversation isn't bad at all, i just like the look of bitchx
[09:42] <seth_k> quam, what cool features does bitchx have
[09:42] <quam> probably none if you're used to gui irc clients
[09:43] <seth_k> haha
[09:43] <quam> i dont really know why i like it :P
[09:43] <quam> in fact i just switched to konversation :p
[09:44] <seth_k> hehe
[09:45] <vicks> it seems like i don't have a cups server running. anyone have idea why?
[09:51] <Tm_T> Octane: was it the right package?
[09:51] <Octane> yes
[09:51] <Octane> i thought iw as asking that questrion in here
[09:52] <Octane> stupid
[09:52] <Octane> me
[09:58] <Tm_T> Troll: stop trolling
[09:58] <seth_k> rolleye
[09:59] <quam> heh
[10:01] <seth_k> bah @ living in the Midwest
[10:01] <seth_k> no one to sign my public key within 200 miles of me
[10:01] <quam> heh
[10:02] <quam> dunno why im heh'ing, i have no clue wtf you're talking about
[10:02] <gdh> seth_k: Looking to be @debian.org or something?
[10:02] <Troll> not trolling
[10:03] <seth_k> Just a hunch Troll, but I think he was joking
[10:03] <seth_k> gdh, Ubuntu member
[10:03] <Troll> yeah i got it <smile>
[10:03] <gdh> Ah,k... I hope the Ubuntu membership procedure is less tortuous than debian's
[10:04] <Tm_T> Troll: no, I'm so damn seroius ;)
[10:04] <Tm_T> seth_k: define ubuntu member
[10:05] <seth_k> Tm_T: one moment
[10:05] <seth_k> Tm_T: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/processes/newmember
[10:05] <seth_k> the third heading
[10:05] <Tm_T> ah ok
[10:06] <seth_k> Tm_T: You have to sign the code of conduct, and I was told you have to have your public key signed by someone in the strong
[10:06] <seth_k> which pretty much puts me out of luck *shrugs*
[10:07] <crimsun> where are you located geographically, seth_k?
[10:07] <seth_k> crimsun, Missouri, USA
[10:07] <seth_k> smack dab in the middle
[10:07] <Tm_T> seth_k: ok
[10:07] <crimsun> hmm, that's a bit of a drive
[10:07] <seth_k> haha
[10:08] <crimsun> I suppose I can do that over the 4th holiday
[10:08] <crimsun> I'll have to swing through IA to sign amaranth's key anyhow
[10:08] <seth_k> o_0
[10:08] <crimsun> I'm in rochester, mn
[10:08] <seth_k> and you're going to go to IA just for amaranth?
[10:08] <crimsun> no, I have cousins in TX
[10:09] <seth_k> ah, fair do's
[10:13] <Mez> lol - sounds like you're gonna have fun crimsun
[10:13] <Mez> wanna come sign my key too ?
[10:13] <seth_k> we're gonna have to start paying him :P
[10:14] <quam> Ask him to sign something worth signing, like your wife's breasts or something :P
[10:14] <Mez> nah - I'm in the UK
[10:14] <Mez> could be interesting for crimsun
[10:49] <uli> test
[10:49] <uli> HIIIIII
[10:49] <uli> i have a problem in kubuntu
[10:49] <uli> can anyone help me?
[10:49] <uli> please please
[10:49] <Tm_T> and the problem is?
[10:49] <gdh> Ask, and we'll try.
[10:50] <Tm_T> :)
[10:50] <Tm_T> do we? ] ;=
[10:50] <gdh> Nobody could say we're not trying :)
[10:50] <uli> oke, i have the amarok player but i had to download the gstreamer which i installed then with dpkg -i without error
[10:50] <uli> BUT
[10:50] <Tm_T> eh?
[10:50] <uli> the engine does not appear in the amarok player
[10:51] <uli> only "aRts" and "no engine"
[10:51] <Tm_T> uli: you need to install amarok-gstreamer or something like that
[10:51] <Tm_T> amarok-gstreamer it is
[10:51] <uli> i did install gstreamer-08..****
[10:51] <uli> amarok gstreamer is something different?
[10:52] <seth_k> yep
[10:52] <uli> damn...
[10:52] <uli> ok, ill try
[10:52] <seth_k> it will hook up amaroK to the gstreamer stuff
[10:52] <Tm_T> uli: "sudo apt-get install amarok-gstreamer"
[10:52] <seth_k> not supported though, why not use artsd?
[10:52] <Tm_T> seth_k: gstreamer is a way better
[10:52] <Tm_T> at least in my box
[10:53] <Tm_T> and gstreamer is default engine in amaroK
[10:53] <uli> hmm, ill have to update my apt-get list..
[10:53] <seth_k> uli: it's in universe
[10:53] <seth_k> iirc
[10:55] <uli> k^^ trying..
[10:58] <uli> eh, what is in universe?
[10:58] <seth_k> amarok-gstreamer
[10:58] <seth_k> i'll go find it
[10:58] <uli> thx :-)
[10:59] <seth_k> yep
[10:59] <seth_k> 1.2.3-1ubuntu4
[10:59] <seth_k> universe
[10:59] <randabis> I use amarok-arts
[10:59] <Tm_T> :/
[10:59] <seth_k> lol
[10:59] <uli> weird...
[10:59] <seth_k> uli: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/kde/amarok-gstreamer
[10:59] <Tm_T> randabis: and what amaroK ?
[11:00] <randabis> 1.2.3
[11:00] <uli> me too
[11:00] <randabis> I'm pondering updating kde to 3.4.1
[11:01] <uli> oops, i must install some gstreamer packages first
[11:02] <vicks> strange, i just installed amarok-gstreamer and it updated like every package on the system including grub. synapic said it wouldn't install any other package. anyone knows why?
[11:02] <_osh> randabis: you should. I did and it works a lot better now.
[11:03] <Tm_T> randabis: heh, that's old
[11:03] <seth_k> randabis: yep, tons of crashers fixed
[11:03] <seth_k> although I use breezy :P
[11:03] <Tm_T> randabis: 1.3-SVN here ;)
[11:03] <seth_k> oh noes, svn
[11:04] <seth_k> <3 svn
[11:04] <randabis> cool
[11:04] <seth_k> especially for webapps
[11:04] <randabis> well I've been away for a month
[11:04] <Tm_T> randabis: no explains!
[11:04] <seth_k> nothing like ssh'ing into my remote box and typing "svn up" to update wordpress
[11:04] <Tm_T> you lazy worm
[11:04] <randabis> I'm a commercial truck driver so I'm away from this computer a lot
[11:04] <Tm_T> seth_k: yeah!
[11:05] <seth_k> salut :P
[11:05] <randabis> starting the update now
[11:06] <dogfoodbrain> seth_k, :)
[11:06] <quam> what's breezy?
[11:07] <seth_k> Breezy is the unstable version of Ubuntu
[11:07] <seth_k> Ubuntu 5.10
[11:07] <seth_k> it will be released in October
[11:07] <quam> ahh, thx
[11:08] <Tm_T> yeah, very unstable
[11:08] <quam> heh, the version numbers of ubuntu are done by year.month?
[11:08] <Tm_T> quam: yes
[11:08] <seth_k> that's right
[11:08] <gdh> Ah! :)
[11:08] <gdh> never knew that- always wondered, but not enough to ask
[11:08] <Tm_T> seth_k: hmm, where's breezy warnings wrom topic?
[11:09] <seth_k> wrom topic?
[11:09] <Tm_T> from
[11:09] <seth_k> e.g., why you shouldn't upgrade right now?
[11:09] <uli> aaah, damn, too much depencies, where can i get an apt-get list where amarok gstreamer is available
[11:10] <seth_k> uli: just sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment the universe lines
[11:10] <uli> i tried to manually install each gstreamer
[11:10] <Tm_T> seth_k: yeah, there was dbus and something else
[11:10] <uli> oh, ok, thx
[11:10] <seth_k> dbus and the C++ ABI transition
[11:10] <seth_k> both of which are done now
[11:10] <seth_k> X.org is still a little touchy
[11:10] <Tm_T> ok
[11:10] <seth_k> but -23 got approved two days ago, and now things are great
[11:10] <seth_k> running breezy on two workstations
[11:10] <seth_k> rock solid
[11:11] <randabis> what kernel?
[11:11] <Tm_T> so breezy might be ok in two months then I think
[11:11] <seth_k> gnome has a real menu editor now :P
[11:11] <Tm_T> yuk
[11:11] <seth_k> i know, I don't use Gnome either
[11:11] <seth_k> still 2.6.10
[11:11] <seth_k> 2.6.12 is coming slowly
[11:11] <seth_k> it has some sweet patches
[11:11] <randabis> cool
[11:11] <randabis> yeah I know
[11:12] <Tm_T> movie ->
[11:13] <goss> hello :)
[11:14] <nmorse> hi
[11:14] <goss> i just installed kubuntu
[11:14] <goss> i was wondering if there was a built in update tool for this?
[11:14] <goss> im a linux noob BTW :P
[11:14] <Mez> gs
[11:14] <gdh> goss: read www.ubuntuguide.org :)
[11:14] <Mez> yeah
[11:14] <Mez> that
[11:15] <gdh> some of it's GNOME-specific, but it's good reading
[11:15] <Mez> there ought to be a kubuntuguide
[11:15] <seth_k> there is
[11:15] <seth_k> to get updates, choose K Menu > System > Kynaptic, Reload and Mark Upgrades
[11:16] <goss> hehe
[11:16] <goss> ty ok
[11:16] <goss> i will google
[11:16] <goss> right thank you seth
[11:16] <goss> :)
[11:16] <goss> im glad i tried linux
[11:16] <goss> im already impressed with it
[11:17] <seth_k> haha
[11:17] <seth_k> it grows on you
[11:17] <goss> compared to scamDowz
[11:17] <goss> yeah :D
[11:17] <nmorse> kubuntu guide is in topic
[11:17] <seth_k> yep, http://kudos.berlios.de
[11:17] <seth_k> I knew it was somewhere :P
[11:17] <seth_k> right under my nose
[11:18] <goss> cheers mate, i just found that on google at the same time :)
[11:18] <goss> bookmarked!
[11:19] <goss> once i mark upgrades in kynaptic shal i commit?
[11:19] <randabis> always good to see newcomers leave the dark side
[11:19] <goss> haha :)
[11:19] <seth_k> that's right goss
[11:20] <randabis> heh I joined the 21st century finally...got a cell phone again
[11:20] <goss> ty
[11:20] <goss> show me the way master jedi's :)
[11:20] <randabis> haven't had one in over a year
[11:20] <quam> the dark side being gnome? :P
[11:21] <seth_k> LOL
[11:21] <uli> arrr sux
[11:21] <randabis> hah
[11:21] <goss> LOL
[11:21] <randabis> I was thinking windows
[11:21] <goss> i like the look of KDE
[11:21] <seth_k> no, Gnome is the brown side
[11:21] <seth_k> :X
[11:21] <quam> that works too :P
[11:21] <goss> wow WTF
[11:21] <uli> does the aRts engine work with mp3 without gstreamer?
[11:21] <goss> WTF!
[11:21] <quam> the brown side makes it sound too much like pop :p
[11:21] <seth_k> haha
[11:21] <quam> err poop
[11:21] <goss> it literally updated my system in about 1 second
[11:21] <randabis> uli: yeah if you have the akode-mpeg package
[11:21] <seth_k> stand back people, goss' computer is exploding
[11:21] <goss> haha no it just updated mega fast
[11:22] <goss> on windows it would take years
[11:22] <seth_k> probably not much to update
[11:22] <goss> nah not too much
[11:22] <seth_k> Ubuntu has different release cycles than Windows
[11:22] <goss> 33 packages :)
[11:22] <goss> right
[11:22] <seth_k> just security updates for 6 months
[11:22] <seth_k> then you'll get the next version, which will be a whopping upgrade
[11:22] <seth_k> but, it's all done over the internet the same way you just upgraded the security fixes :)
[11:22] <seth_k> just click, click, done
[11:23] <goss> yeah lol
[11:23] <seth_k> the next version will be Breezy Badger, in October
[11:23] <seth_k> so you'll just get security fixes until then
[11:23] <seth_k> then you'll edit the file /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:23] <goss> right
[11:23] <gdh> Like Debian, but Better, and Faster :)
[11:23] <seth_k> and change all the words "hoary" to "breezy"
[11:23] <seth_k> and boom
[11:23] <goss> ace
[11:23] <goss> thanks
[11:23] <Mez> though
[11:23] <Mez> I wouldnt suggest trying that now
[11:23] <Mez>  :P
[11:23] <seth_k> lol
[11:23] <quam> the names for the releases are weak :p
[11:23] <goss> so you are upgrading it to the next package
[11:23] <goss> without the hassle
[11:23] <goss> :)
[11:23] <goss> lool
[11:23] <seth_k> you know it >_<
[11:23] <Mez> unless you like the install process of hoary
[11:24] <goss> yeah it is a weird name
[11:24] <goss> hehe
[11:24] <seth_k> Although, I've been running Breezy since Hoary+4
[11:24] <seth_k> I like punishment
[11:24] <seth_k> :P
[11:24] <gdh> Yeh, who comes up with the release names?
[11:24] <seth_k> sabdfl
[11:24] <Mez> prob mdz :P
[11:24] <seth_k> nope, sabdfl
[11:24] <goss> so any advice on some important tools? where would i get some video codes from? suggestions on a good p2p program for linux?
[11:24] <seth_k> Azureus for P2P
[11:24] <Mez> ah sabdfl - hehe :D remind me to slap him
[11:24] <seth_k> everything you need is on http://ubuntuguide.com
[11:25] <goss> LOOOl
[11:25] <seth_k> video, audio, Azureus
[11:25] <seth_k> etc.
[11:25] <goss> right seth cheerz i have read a bit i will carry on :)
[11:25] <quam> azureas isn't available via package manager?
[11:25] <seth_k> nope
[11:25] <seth_k> I think maybe in backports?
[11:25] <seth_k> mez?
[11:25] <goss> do you guys come on this channel alot then?
[11:25] <seth_k> I'll be here most days
[11:25] <goss> cool
[11:26] <seth_k> oh and Mez: sabdfl dropping eleventy majillion $$ on Ubuntu, he can dern well name it waht he wants :D
[11:26] <quam> i thought you didnt irc enough to warrant running 2 clients :P
[11:26] <goss> lol
[11:26] <seth_k> indeed
[11:26] <seth_k> only #kubuntu, #ubuntu, #invisionfree
[11:26] <seth_k> *shrugs*
[11:26] <seth_k> maybe I'll switch if I get bored :P
[11:26] <seth_k> but Gaim does what I need
[11:27] <Mez> azureus  in backports yes
[11:27] <goss> just waiting for kynaptic to finish
[11:27] <seth_k> okay goss, you can follow the instructions on Ubuntu Guide for "how to add extra repositories?"
[11:27] <goss> i have heard alot about Wine and Cedaga
[11:27] <seth_k> and then install Azureus through Kynaptic
[11:27] <goss> yeah i will be fine seth mate
[11:27] <Mez> seth_k - #kubuntu-devel,#ubuntu-devel,.#ubuntu-motu,#ubuntu-meeting
[11:28] <seth_k> i am not worthy
[11:28] <seth_k> :P
[11:28] <seth_k> kynaptic sucks
[11:28] <seth_k> it's being replaced with Kapture
[11:28] <gdh> _osh: kynaptic is already deprecated :)
[11:28] <seth_k> I do believe
[11:28] <seth_k> hahas
[11:28] <gdh> it ws a last minute rush job to have /something/
[11:28] <goss> *
[11:28] <goss> how do i do that? hehe
[11:28] <Mez> seth_k, the -devel channels are acutally quite useful :D along weith the -MOTU chan
[11:29] <seth_k> goss, do what? actions? type /me does stuff
[11:29] <seth_k> Mez, maybe later :P
[11:29] <seth_k> band practice now
[11:29] <seth_k> night all
[11:30] <_osh> seth_k: G'nite. Play nice.
[11:30] <Mez> hmm
[11:31] <goss> so i understand that repositries in linux are similar to what .EXE files are in windows?
[11:31] <seth_k||away> goss, no
[11:31] <goss> lol :(
[11:31] <seth_k||away> repositories are servers that hold software for you to use
[11:31] <goss> ahhhhhhhhhhh
[11:31] <seth_k||away> and you access them through kynaptic or synaptic
[11:31] <goss> right
[11:31] <seth_k||away> so like, one repository might have 10,000 software packages
[11:32] <seth_k||away> and you can pick what you want
[11:32] <seth_k||away> with a few clicks
[11:32] <seth_k||away> better than download .exe, scan for viruses, install, oh no registry corruption! :P
[11:32] <goss> and whats the normal extension for a software package in linux?
[11:32] <seth_k||away> goss: for Ubuntu it will be .deb
[11:32] <seth_k||away> since Ubuntu is a Debian child
[11:32] <goss> haha indeed i have had a few problems with registry corruption in windowz
[11:32] <goss> indeed, i do know that :)
[11:33] <seth_k||away> :D
[11:33] <seth_k||away> okay, really leaving now *runs*
[11:33] <goss> hehe :D
[11:33] <goss> thanks for your help
[11:34] <goss> i will add the extra repositries so i have more places to download :)
[11:34] <quam> awesome, kynaptic just took a shit on me
[11:34] <goss> what happened?
[11:34] <gdh> That's the basis of a thorough bug report, certainly :)
[11:35] <quam> i added those backport repositories from ubuntuguide
[11:35] <quam> it doesnt like any of them :p
[11:35] <goss> lol
[11:35] <goss> unlucky
[11:36] <goss> right guys im off for a bit
[11:36] <goss> nice chattin cheers for the help
[11:36] <goss> bye
[11:36] <seth_k||away> did you reload, quam? (as I put on shoes)
[11:37] <gdh> seth_k||away: going anywhere nice? :)
[11:37] <quam> it tried to reload when i opened synaptic, got a bunch of W errors or smething
[11:37] <seth_k||away> quam: no, that's the parsing
[11:37] <seth_k||away> quam: reload once and you're gold
[11:38] <seth_k||away> gdh: just band practice
[11:38] <seth_k||away> have a gig tonight
[11:38] <gdh> ah, cool.
[11:38] <gdh> I won't even ask what kind of band since I'm so out of touch with popular culture :)
[11:38] <gdh> but.. I revel in that :)
[11:38] <seth_k||away> haha
[11:39] <seth_k||away> shoes are on, I'm out the door. quam try reloading
[11:40] <quam> i did
[11:40] <quam> downloading :p
[11:40] <quam> thx
[11:57] <goss> hello again
[11:57] <goss> :)
[11:58] <goss> i have a radeon 9800pro and a 19inch samsung syncmaster and the max resolution it says i can have is 1024x768 when i need 1280x1024 which i can usually have in windows, any help please? thanks!
[12:00] <gdh> goss: edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and add in '1280x1024' in the relevant place where 1024x768 currently is
[12:01] <goss> oh i tried that before but added it next to it instead, cheers mate
[12:01] <goss> <<< jus got linux :)