[05:01] <mborzecki> morning
[05:20] <mborzecki> mvo: hi, back to your morning schedule?
[05:21] <mvo> hey mborzecki - yeah
[05:21] <mvo> mborzecki: this should be my usual time again
[05:22] <mborzecki> mvo: poor kids back to school in august :(
[05:23] <mvo> mborzecki: yeah, in the worst heat since forever
[05:23] <mvo> mborzecki: not fun
[05:23] <mvo> mborzecki: and I see a lot of unhappy tests, its a bit flaky again, right?
[05:23] <mvo> interfaces-accounts-service
[05:23] <mvo> it seems is the culprit a lot of time?
[05:23] <mvo> times
[05:24] <mborzecki> mvo: that would be double guid in eds?
[05:30] <mvo> mborzecki: I see InvalidArgs errors here
[05:30] <mvo> mborzecki: but I only looked at one of the failures so far, haven't payed much attention to this before
[05:30] <mborzecki> mvo: which pr is this?
[05:32] <mvo> mborzecki: that was 5600
[05:34] <mborzecki> hm maybe gnome online accounts has changed it's dbus iface?
[05:35] <mborzecki> mvo: i'll look into this
[05:35] <mvo> mborzecki: yeah, its very strange it shouldn't do that in the middle of the stable 16.04 release though. I wonder what is going on
[05:36] <mvo> mborzecki: I have a look, I see it also in travis on master once
[05:36] <mvo> mborzecki: and its not happening all the time (fun!)
[05:48] <mborzecki> mvo: well, (sssa{sv}a{ss})' matches the current stable org.gnome.OnlineAccounts.Manager.AddAccount iface
[05:51] <mborzecki> mvo: and 3.18.x release (supposedly in xenial) was the same
[05:55] <mvo> mborzecki: yeah, it should not have changed
[05:56] <mborzecki> mvo: i don't like how we don't pass the typespec to gdbus, it's guessed instead?
[05:58] <mborzecki> mvo: we pass "imap_smtp"<EMAIL_ADDRESS>"Display Name" "{}" "{'actual': 'data'}", the error is that it's expecting (sssa{sv}a{ss}) but got '(ssssa{ss})' as if "{}" was interpreted as 's'?
[06:00] <mvo> mborzecki: yes, I think thats the issue but only sometimes which makes it strange
[06:01] <mvo> mborzecki: I wonder if there is a way to add debug to the call to see what it actually sends on the wire
[06:01] <mvo> or we could run dbus-monitor in to gather debug data
[06:01] <mborzecki> mvo: let me see if it honors G_MESSAGES_DEBUG or alike
[06:04] <zyga> Good morning
[06:04] <zyga> Long time no see
[06:04] <mborzecki> zyga: hey
[06:04] <mvo> zyga: hey, good morning! how are you? well rested?
[06:06] <zyga> Yes :-)
[06:07] <zyga> It feels like a month has passed
[06:07] <zyga> How are you all?
[06:08] <zyga> How is the project?
[06:12] <mvo> zyga: all going well so far
[06:14] <zyga> How is core18?
[06:17] <mborzecki> mvo: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/glib/issues/598
[06:18] <mborzecki> mvo: wonder why it's using that particular error as an example
[06:21] <mvo> zyga: core18 is looking good, an image for amd64 is released, we are looking at arm now
[06:21] <mvo> mborzecki: heh, yeah
[06:25] <mvo> mborzecki: I added a PR that adds some debug, lets see if that gives us some clues
[06:46] <zyga> mvo: is the image stable or still in beta/candidate phase
[06:55] <mvo> zyga: very much beta still
[06:55] <mvo> zyga: but looking good overall
[07:04] <mborzecki> mvo: i looked into gdbus source code, it introspects the called method before repacking command line arguments to dbus types, so at least this part should try to do the right thing
[07:06] <mborzecki> mvo: we could just merge https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5602 and inspect it further when the problem is reproduced again
[07:08] <mvo> mborzecki: yeah, lets do this
[07:08] <mvo> mborzecki: thank you
[07:11] <pstolowski> heyas
[07:11] <mborzecki> pstolowski: hey
[07:11] <mborzecki> pstolowski: back from vacation?
[07:12] <zyga> hey pstolowski
[07:12] <zyga> are you back just now?
[07:14] <mvo> hey pstolowski, welcome back!
[07:21] <pstolowski> mborzecki, mborzecki i got back home a few days ago
[07:22] <pstolowski> and temperatures here are not much different from greece, easy accomodation ;)
[07:24] <mborzecki> pstolowski: sound like you had a great time
[07:32] <pstolowski> mborzecki: indeed, corfu is really beautiful
[07:59] <mborzecki> we're down to 33 reviews
[08:06] <zyga> mvo: today I will focus on preparing for Flock tomorrow
[08:06] <zyga> but let me know if I can help with short or urgent tasks please
[08:15] <Chipaca> zyga: wb!
[08:15] <zyga> thank you :)
[08:26] <mborzecki> zyga: https://flock2018.sched.com/event/Fjde/fedora-and-snaps-a-two-year-retrospective-and-an-exciting-future this one right?
[08:40] <zyga> mborzecki: that's right
[08:40] <mborzecki> zyga: wonder if there'll be a live stream or sth
[09:42] <mvo> xnox: hey, anything I can do to help with bug 1778936 (readding support for read-only-etc for hostnamed? should I just sru this change in isolation or is there a bigger systemd sru planned?
[09:56] <mvo> popey: hey, do you think something like https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~snappy-dev/snappy-hub/test-snapd-curl/revision/1 is worth pushing to the curl upstream? or to snapcrafters? we need a snap for curl for our internal testing but it seems like it would be generally useful
[10:00] <pstolowski> zyga: did you find any problem with slot remapping wrt the issue i had 2 weeks ago?
[10:03] <zyga> pstolowski: hey, no I didn't find anything at the time
[10:06] <popey> mvo: certainly worth trying to submit upstream before putting in snapcrafters.
[10:09] <popey> mvo: worth looking into whether upstream actually support distributing binary builds or not.
[10:09] <mvo> popey: what the best approach? I can do a PR that juts contains snapcraft.yaml for git master?
[10:09] <mvo> popey: aha, good point, they have a winbuild dir but I have not investigated that at all
[10:10] <popey> mvo: typically we add some boilerplate to explain what it is, and why you're adding it. They also need to know how to register the name in the store etc.
[10:11] <popey> mvo: for example. https://github.com/rust-lang-nursery/rustup.rs/pull/1441
[10:12] <mvo> popey: thank you
[10:12] <popey> np :)
[10:13] <mwhudson> mvo: xnox is on leave
[10:14] <mvo> mwhudson: thanks, who the best person to talk about systemd while he is away?
[10:14] <mwhudson> mvo: errrr i guess there is always slangasek
[10:15] <mvo> mwhudson: :) ok
[10:17] <mwhudson> but i suspect the implication is that there is no systemd sru planned in the near term
[10:17]  * mvo nods
[10:21] <mborzecki> there are no tests for snap-device-helper?
[10:25] <zyga> mborzecki: I don't think there are any individual tests
[10:25] <zyga> there are indirect tests via spread
[10:25] <zyga> but that piece of code is ... very old
[10:25] <mborzecki> heh, needs to be taught new tricks now, such as parallel installs
[10:26] <zyga> beware of dragons
[10:26] <mborzecki> zyga: i can hack some tests with gtest probably
[10:26] <zyga> why gtest?
[10:27] <zyga> I mean, we use glib for tests
[10:27] <mborzecki> zyga: we use that in s-c already, i'd add it to already existing unit tests
[10:27] <zyga> ah
[10:27] <Chipaca> so, in order to keep up with the latest in security, today I'll be pushing 23 new PRs, all of them bug-ridden. https://arxiv.org/pdf/1808.00659.pdf
[10:27] <zyga> I assumed you meant google's test
[10:28] <mborzecki> zyga: nah, just plain glib test framework
[10:28] <zyga> mborzecki: +1 then :)
[10:28] <zyga> sorry for being silly
[11:17] <mvo> work on fixing godd on armhf (missing libs, rathole because x/sys/unix needs later go than xenial has)
[11:17] <mvo> eh, sorry, there is a bit of context missing here
[11:18] <mvo> I am in a bit of a rathole right now, I want to (re)build godd but x/sys/unix changed and needs a newer go to build. the godd snap uses xenial (which I would like to keep for now). so I experimented with using the go snap as a build-snap but LP will always use the system go. anyone have tried to override this? I have no luck so far
[11:19] <zyga> oh man, that's nested
[11:20] <cjwatson> mvo: That shouldn't be anything to do with LP as such - surely it's entirely in control of your snapcraft.yaml?  Or maybe of the relevant snapcraft plugin I guess
[11:20] <mvo> cjwatson: I think its simply a PATH bug
[11:20] <mvo> cjwatson: i.e. /usr/bin is before /snap/bin and LP happen to have go installed as well, just an older version
[11:21] <mvo> cjwatson: at least that is my guess - I guess the easiest might be to try to just override-{pull,build} and set PATH manually(?)
[11:21]  * mvo tries that
[11:21] <cjwatson> I'm quite surprised that go would be in the chroots
[11:22] <mvo> cjwatson: oh, then its the go plugin pulling it in
[11:22] <mvo> cjwatson: I have a look at this next
[11:22] <cjwatson> Not in the xenial amd64 chroot at least (I don't have the armhf one locally)
[11:22] <cjwatson> Installing build dependencies: golang-1.6-go golang-1.6-src golang-go golang-src
[11:22] <cjwatson> from your build log
[11:23] <cjwatson>         self.build_packages.append('golang-go')
[11:24] <cjwatson> /etc/profile.d/apps-bin-path.sh seems to put /snap/bin after everything else too ...
[11:25] <cjwatson> Maybe snapcraft's Go plugin just needs to have a more built-in way to use the snap
[11:26] <Chipaca> mvo: can't you use golang-golang-x-sys-dev ?
[11:31] <mvo> Chipaca: its pulled in via "pb" - I was considering to replace it with our own progress stuff
[11:33] <mvo> cjwatson: yeah, looking into this now
[11:40] <mborzecki> when maj:min is not passed to snap-device-helper the exit code is 0, while if other parameters are skipped we exit with 1
[11:45] <om26er> Is it possible to rebuild that image but with a later kernel http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/16/stable/current/ubuntu-core-16-amd64.img.xz ?
[11:45] <Chipaca> mvo: ah :-) ok
[11:48] <om26er> we will be using https://software.intel.com/en-us/openvino-toolkit/documentation/system-requirements and believe a somewhat fresh kernel will be better.
[11:48] <om26er> that brings me to the question: How far along is UbuntuCore18 ?
[11:49] <cachio> mvo, hey
[11:51] <mvo> cachio: hey, good morning
[11:58] <pstolowski> hmm standups disappeared from my calendar
[12:00] <ogra> plars, https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/stellarium-plars-not-working-on-nvidia-cards/6685/2 mind merging the PR ? (fix tested on both, intel and nvidia)
[12:00] <pstolowski> mvo: do we have standups as usual?
[12:01] <ogra> plars, (happy to drop the depth=1 if needed . (but it is painful for local builds if the git checkout is multiple gigs)
[12:14] <jdstrand> mvo: I tried to use the new core18 in a vm on friday, but had trouble. it wanted to resize but I didn't know how big it was going to get. I couldn't figure out how to use qemu-img to resize before running without breaking the image
[12:16] <om26er> ogra: can we rebuild Ubuntu Core 16 amd64 image with latest kernel ?
[12:17] <om26er> we need Ubuntu Core but minimum kernel requirement is 4.14 for Intel' OpenVINO
[12:17] <om26er> ref: https://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/OpenVINO-Install-Linux
[12:19] <ogra> om26er, you can surely build your own kernel snap but for core 16 only 4.4 is officially supported ... you will have to wait for core18 to come out (perhaps you can then combine core 16 with the 4.15 core18 kernel, not sure, thats a question for mvo and if kernel tracks will also be supported in core 16 later)
[12:20] <om26er> I was thinking if there is way to rebuild the image but not compile the kernel ourselves and pick kernel snaps (pc-kernel) from 18/beta etc
[12:20] <ogra> jdstrand, it resizes to the pre-defined device size at build time ... u-image should dtrt and you shouldnt need to do anything
[12:20] <om26er> I guess recompiling won't be a problem, if that's really the only way
[12:21] <ogra> jdstrand, s/resizes/auto-resizes/
[12:21] <ogra> om26er, well, mvo released his first experimental core18 image on friday ... you might want to play with that instead
[12:23] <ogra> jdstrand, if you want to resize yourself, technically just dd'ing zeros to the end of the img should be enough to have core's auto-resize trigger on next boot and resize /writable to full disk size
[12:24] <ogra> iirc our img's are raw so no qemu-img should be needed, dd should be enough
[12:24] <om26er> mvo: where can I find that "experimental" Ubunut Core 18 image ?
[12:24] <om26er> perhaps, I can help test it.
[12:25] <ogra> om26er, http://people.canonical.com/~mvo/core18/
[12:26] <om26er> ogra: thanks, do you know of a tentative timeline for core18 release ?
[12:26] <ogra> before EOY :)
[12:26] <om26er> we have to do a prototype for a customer and want to make sure we pick the "right" target
[12:27] <ogra> i guess first stable beta quality images will show up within a few weeks
[12:27] <ogra> s/stable/usable/
[12:32] <jdstrand> mvo: fyi, core16 is all approved (I just re-ran the tools-- they've since been updated to allow core16), but you'll have to publish them
[12:33] <jdstrand> ogra: re u-image: I tried to use the image that mvo created. I then tried to use u-image but couldn't figure out how to make it build a core18 image
[12:33] <om26er> Interesting, I believe our timeline is tighter, so I will ask on forums how we can compile and bundle linux 4.15 with UbuntuCore 16, before we fallback to ubuntu server image.
[12:33] <ogra> jdstrand, well, dd (on the uncompressed image) is your friend ...
[12:34] <jdstrand> ogra: I know they are raw. what I wanted to do is start it in a vm. it said it was autoresizing and I was afraid it was going to resize the raw image to fill my laptop's drive since I'm familiar with the resizing process
[12:35] <jdstrand> ogra: so, you are saying dd to some other filename?
[12:35] <ogra> jdstrand, it only resizes the filesystem to full img size
[12:35] <jdstrand> ogra: yes, which I mentioned I didn't know what it was
[12:35] <ogra> no, use dd with skip to append to the image
[12:35] <ogra> whatever you see with ls after unxz ;)
[12:36] <jdstrand> ogra: it says 3G
[12:36] <ogra> u-image just zero-pads the img file as well ... if you unxz you'll likely have a 3G img full of zeros
[12:36] <ogra> right
[12:36] <jdstrand> ogra: so you're saying it would only resize to that?
[12:36] <jdstrand> ok
[12:37] <ogra> so the resize script will resize writable to occupy the "physical" free space of these 3G
[12:37] <jdstrand> it was taking so long I was worried it was going to be longer
[12:37] <ogra> nah ... the vm only sees a 3G device
[12:37] <jdstrand> alright, well I'll try again then
[12:37] <ogra> and a filesystem thats smaller ...
[12:37] <ogra> so it just adjusts
[12:38] <zyga> hey jdstrand, ogra
[12:38] <jdstrand> hey zyga
[12:38]  * zyga waves and returns to Flock prep
[12:38] <ogra> hey zyga ... recovered ?
[12:38] <zyga> ogra: from holidays? :D
[12:38] <jdstrand> ogra: you know, I may have let it run and saw another issue
[12:38] <ogra> :)
[12:38]  * jdstrand tries again
[12:38] <zyga> ogra: I wish I had some more but I'm very happy I took the week off
[12:38] <ogra> so you didnt have to move ? :)
[12:39] <jdstrand> I eventually want this in a qcow2, but I'll let the resize happen in the raw before converting (the qemu-img convert seemed to mess up the label on the disk)
[12:41] <sergiusens> cjwatson: yes unfortunately; we had a fixed that ended escalating into a larger design discussion. To make the behavioral change not so surprising, we might just tie this to the use of bases (even adding the build snap still install the build package which is also what we want to solve).
[12:41] <Chipaca> google:arch-linux-64:tests/main/degraded just failed with https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/MX7WqN7xPr/ -- is this something I should just retry?
[12:44] <mvo> pstolowski|lunch: yeah, standups as usual (in +15min)
[12:44] <pstolowski|lunch> mvo: yep, thanks, just got all the details from mborzecki
[12:45] <mvo> jdstrand: re core18> the test image is ~3G iirc but it needs much less space. how big do you want it to be?
[12:46] <mvo> om26er: you could try to set in your model-assertion: "kernel: pc-kernel=18" which will pull in 4.15. as an experiment thats fine, if you want to support this we should talk :)
[12:48] <mvo> jdstrand: it takes forever because *drumroll* entropy :(
[12:48] <mvo> jdstrand: just hit a few keys
[12:48] <jdstrand> mvo (cc ogra): ah that was it. it drops to an initramfs: "cannot find 'writable' partition
[12:48] <mvo> jdstrand: uh, thats not good
[12:48] <jdstrand> all I did was unxz and then tried to launch it under kvm
[12:48] <ogra> after you used qemu-img on it you men ?
[12:48] <mvo> jdstrand: ok, let me try that, that should not happen
[12:48] <jdstrand> no
[12:49] <ogra> oh
[12:49] <mvo> jdstrand: anything unusal about your qemu/kvm setup? maybe the kernel has not the right virtio modules or something like this
[12:49] <jdstrand> let me get you the domain xml
[12:50] <mvo> jdstrand: fwiw, I ran it with "kvm -m 1500 -snapshot -redir tcp:10022::22 core18.img" and it worked, but let me re-run to double check
[12:50] <jdstrand> mvo: I did a virsh dumpxml on a bionic vm. then I adjusted to remove the mac, uuid and change the name and image
[12:51] <jdstrand> I have a whole process surrounding using libvirt, etc, and this is what I typically do for Core 16
[12:51] <jdstrand> (though with a xenial dumpxml)
[12:51] <ogra> well, image wise 18 shouldnt differ
[12:51] <mvo> sergiusens: I sent a small go plugin PR your way, would be great if you could have a look (its tiny)
[12:51] <ogra> it uses the same u-image tocreate it so the result should be identical
[12:52] <jdstrand> mvo: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3BH6ZxScz2/
[12:52]  * ogra also never uses libvurt/virsh or whatnot ... i also only use plain kvm
[12:52] <ogra> *libvirt
[12:53] <jdstrand> yeah, like I said, at a future step I convert to a qcow2 and add a snapshot. but I didn't do any of that yet
[12:53] <jdstrand> actually, there is something about that domain xml. let me try something
[12:53] <mvo> jdstrand: fwiw https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/util-linux/+bug/1783810 is the entropy bug
[12:54] <ogra> mvo, well, findfs has a 120 sec timeout ... if he runs into "writable not found" thsi is likely before entropy is even used
[12:57] <jdstrand> mvo, ogra: I was dropped into the initramfs. that is *very* early boot. is it affected by that bug?
[12:59] <mvo> jdstrand: trying to reproduce right now by setting the drive to virtio
[12:59] <mvo> jdstrand: I also see a hang now and unable to resolve LABEL=writable
[13:00] <jdstrand> mvo: interesting. I was able to get it to resize using the regular kvm options, but then I was concerned about how big it would get. i'm no longer worried about that
[13:00] <jdstrand> (that was last friday)
[13:02] <jdstrand> mvo: fyi, I tried with defining the domain xml based off of my snappy-16-amd64 domain xml, it it has the same issue (but seems like you identified an issue with virtio)
[13:03] <jdstrand> mvo: btw, how are you creating this? I tried with ubuntu-image and didn't know how to setup the model assertion
[13:03] <mvo> jdstrand: I'm in a meeting now but I can reproduce the issue by setting the drive to virtio
[13:03] <jdstrand> it didn't know about 18, etc
[13:03] <jdstrand> ok
[13:04] <jdstrand> mvo: did you see that you need to still publish core16?
[13:10] <jdstrand> mvo: fyi, I changed it to ide and it is working. I'm unblocked it seems, so please prioritize however you want
[13:11] <om26er> mvo: that does not work, says "error: cannot download snap "pc-kernel=18": snap not found"
[13:11] <jdstrand> I then tapped shift a bunch of times to get past crng
[13:11] <om26er> mvo: here is my model assertion https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/R5YFR4GG8s/
[13:11] <jdstrand> and I'm off and running
[13:11] <jdstrand> mvo: thanks!
[13:11] <om26er> intentionally removed authority-id etc.
[13:12] <jdstrand> I bet I can configure to qcow2 right off the bat...
[13:12] <om26er> I ran this command `sudo ubuntu-image -o pc.img -c beta pc.model`
[13:12] <sergiusens> mvo: commented, but good
[13:17] <ogra> jdstrand, no, not affected by the entropy bug then ... entropy will only be used later once we switched to the real root... what you were hitting was really the 120sec findfs timeout i think
[13:18] <jdstrand> ogra: yes, see above. once I used ide, then I hit the entropy bug. I tap shift until it moves along and I'm good
[13:18] <ogra> yeah
[13:19] <ogra> entropy issues will be interesting once we have full disk encryption upstzream ;)
[13:19] <ogra> well ... at that level of the boot that is
[13:24] <jdstrand> mvo: fyi, 'vi: command not found'. that's pretty stripped down!
[13:24] <ogra> :)
[13:24] <jdstrand> no nano either
[13:24]  * jdstrand wonders what to use
[13:24] <ogra> sed
[13:24] <ogra> ;)
[13:25] <ogra> (we dont have a classic snap for core18 either ... to trash your possible hopes in that direction)
[13:25] <jdstrand> jeez, echo isn't there either
[13:25] <jdstrand> this is quite the change
[13:25] <ogra> snap install extract-deb ...
[13:26] <ogra> extract-deb.download vim-tiny
[13:26] <ogra> try that ... and then call vim via the direc extraction path
[13:26] <jdstrand> well, if you're stripping stuff, you may as well get rid of sensible-editor, cause there is nothing sensible on the system
[13:27] <mvo> om26er: you need the "edge" core
[13:27] <mvo> om26er: on the machine you build the image, only the latest core has support for the kernel=track syntax
[13:34] <mborzecki> pstolowski: if you feel like doing some reviews https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5561 :)
[13:34] <mvo> jdstrand: core18 is very minimal, we need a vim snap
[13:34] <jdstrand> I'm surprised the images are so stripped down. I thought they were supposed to be roughly equivalent to cloud
[13:34] <mvo> jdstrand: I mean, we really needs snaps for the basic functionality
[13:34] <jdstrand> and lxd
[13:34] <mvo> jdstrand: we can add stuff still, not sure how tiny vim-tiny is but if it is actually tiny I think its not too bad to add it
[13:35] <jdstrand> mvo: we can't have vim witht he current interfaces since can't use classic and they need writes everywhere
[13:35] <ogra> around 1MB i think
[13:35] <ogra> it is very small
[13:36] <ogra> Installed-Size: 1071
[13:37] <mvo> jdstrand: aha, vim is classic - hm, hm
[13:37] <jdstrand> I think installing a small editor makes a lot of sense
[13:37] <ogra> yeah
[13:37] <ogra> and vim-tiny is a quasi standard on all ubuntus
[13:37] <jdstrand> I would prefer vim-tiny, but really anything other than sed is good :)
[13:38] <zyga> jdstrand: nano
[13:38] <zyga> use nano
[13:38] <Chipaca> ogra: jdstrand: mvo: clearly it should be mg
[13:38] <zyga> it's small and useful OOTB
[13:38] <jdstrand> zyga: it isn't there either
[13:38] <ogra> nano has deps ...
[13:38] <jdstrand> but again, surprised at the new direction. last I heard, it was supposed to be similar to the cloud/lxd images
[13:39] <ogra> (nano uses ncurses ... )
[13:40] <ogra> vim-tiny is really the way to go here ... also to stay in sync with all the other minimal ubuntu images IMHO
[13:40] <jdstrand> +1 (fwiw)
[13:41] <mborzecki> ed?
[13:42] <Chipaca> jdstrand: can a store assertion allow connecting  snapd-control without it being autoconnected?
[13:42] <ogra> snap install extract-deb && snap connect extract-deb:home && extract-deb.download --arch amd64 vim-tiny && unpack/usr/bin/vim.tiny
[13:42] <ogra> jdstrand, ^^^ that works here
[13:42] <Chipaca> mborzecki: ?
[13:42] <ogra> (though only tested on core 16)
[13:46] <mborzecki> Chipaca: s/vim-tiny/ed, i mean there are legends that people used it
[13:46] <Chipaca> mborzecki: ?
[13:47] <jdstrand> Chipaca: sure
[13:47] <mborzecki> Chipaca: small editor for core18 snap
[13:48] <ogra> i have used sed as defaulkt editor in the past ... but you need echo too
[13:48] <Chipaca> mborzecki: ?
[13:50] <jdstrand> ogra: thanks. noted
[13:50]  * Chipaca quits ed so he can talk like regular people again
[13:51] <ogra> ppisati, hmm ... are there any known issues with the xenial kernel (beyond the two patches you added that i have already in use locally) https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Jmg7d43J3h/
[13:51] <jdstrand> mvo: is there a small non-desktop snap that uses 'base: core18' and listens on the network that you know of? eg, xkcd-webserver for core18?
[13:51] <Chipaca> jdstrand: would that be a reasonable suggestion to somebody trying to build a store app thing?
[13:52] <cachio> mvo, 2.34.3 is ready to go to stable
[13:52] <jdstrand> Chipaca: maybe? we are in the area of clear direction from Gustavo
[13:52] <cachio> mvo, if you are ok, I could sync with the store team to make it during the afternoon
[13:53] <jdstrand> Chipaca: and noise. I think the topic should be raised when Gustavo is back
[13:53] <noise][> jdstrand: agreed - i'd like to find a solution for that, but it's delicate
[13:53] <Chipaca> I'd like to at least stop this person from even trying to use classic to work around it
[13:53] <noise][> cachio: we should be fine just about anytime as long as we are not in the middle of a deploy or somehting
[13:54] <jdstrand> yeah
[13:54] <noise][> Chipaca: yeah, that doesn't seem like a helpful direction
[13:54] <cachio> noise][, nice, tx
[13:54] <jdstrand> Chipaca: well, classic will be denied for the same reason
[13:55] <ppisati> ogra: i'm building one on LP ATM, i'll let you know how it ends
[13:55] <jdstrand> I mean, classic is there because of a lack of interfaces or ability to change something
[13:55] <jdstrand> you can't just use classic because you were denied use of an interface
[13:55] <Chipaca> ok, replied as much
[13:55] <Chipaca> in a short sentence
[13:55] <ogra> ppisati, seems to be the initrd step at the end of the build ...
[13:55] <mvo> cachio: +1 from me for this
[13:56] <roadmr> hey folks, is it possible to restrict the amount of bandwidth snapd uses for e.g. automatic refreshes? since it might start refreshing whenever, I'd like to at least ensure it doesn't slow the home network down to a crawl :)
[13:57] <Chipaca> roadmr: not without a shaping proxy, but you can control when it refreshes
[13:57] <Chipaca> roadmr: e.g. "once a day between 3 and 5 am",  that kinda thing
[13:57] <mvo> Chipaca: might be a nice feature to add download limiting, wdyt?
[13:58] <ogra> +1
[13:58] <roadmr> right... thanks Chipaca
[13:58] <Chipaca> mvo: (a) can of worms, (b) i mean one of those 200l oil drums (c) spice-eating worms
[13:58] <roadmr> rate limiting would be best for me because even if I can timeframe the upgrades, destroying the network is always inconvenient
[13:58] <ogra> yummy !
[13:58] <Chipaca> i mean, sure, nice
[13:58] <roadmr> (and I also don't leave the computer on at times when it's not inconvenient; e.g. 3-5 am I'm fast asleep and the computer is off :)
[13:59] <mvo> Chipaca: heh, ok
[13:59] <ogra> sleep slower and leave it on ;)
[13:59] <Chipaca> mvo: i mean, yes, but it's usually full of little hard corner cases
[13:59] <roadmr> ah, the "buy a new computer" argument :P no.
[13:59] <roadmr> hehe ogra j/k, I understand these arguments... just wanted to check if it was something that existed
[14:00] <ogra> yeah, it doesnt because Chipaca is worm-phobic ;)
[14:00] <roadmr> leaving this concern out of snapd and relying on e.g. QoS set on the home router makes good sense I think
[14:00] <Chipaca> mvo: roadmr: one thing we looked at back in u1 days, that was actually easier than bw limiting, was to just not saturate
[14:00] <mvo> Chipaca: yeah, I understand. it looks like the good people from juju implemented something already, might be worth a look
[14:00] <Chipaca> that is, look at the number of … packets? frames? i forget the details; something low-level in /proc/something
[14:01] <roadmr> ahh interesting
[14:01] <ogra> plars, did you see my ping before ? https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/stellarium-plars-not-working-on-nvidia-cards/6685 ... i'd appreciate a merge of the PR
[14:01] <Chipaca> roadmr: saying "fix it with QoS" is always the easy answer that users hate
[14:02] <mvo> iptables could also do it (https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/blob/master/tests/main/econnreset/task.yaml#L7)
[14:02] <Chipaca> roadmr: (it's also right :-) )
[14:02] <roadmr> Chipaca: hehe except in this case I'm the user mostly
[14:02] <mvo> but I think it might be worthwhile to look at integrating the juju/ratelimit thing
[14:03] <mvo> anyway, after I looked at this core18 "synced" dir stuff :/
[14:06] <Chipaca>     - google:arch-linux-64:tests/main/degraded
[14:06] <Chipaca> grrrrr
[14:07] <plars> ogra: yes, I said I'd take a look. I got slammed with several urgent things as soon as I started this morning. I'll take a look after the meeting I'm in right now
[14:07] <ogra> plars, ah,m i didnt see any reply (probably because all the freenode blocking due to the spam atm)
[14:07] <ogra> plars, thanks !
[14:08] <plars> ogra: heh, yeah it was a spammy weekend for sure. I'm still unburying myself from it. thanks for testing it, I don't have an nvidia system so I was just happy to hear someone else was using it even if it needs a fix :)
[14:08] <Chipaca> mvo: mborzecki: what can we do about google:arch-linux-64:tests/main/degraded failing all the time? (systemctl status says degraded on arch)
[14:09] <ogra> plars, well, the fix is tested and all and i have another user in the ubuntu-users ML that can test once it is in edge
[14:10] <ogra> plars, the only thing i cant test is amd graphics cards but i think they are nowadays just covered by the same setup as intel
[14:10] <jdstrand> mvo: fyi:
[14:10] <jdstrand> $ passwd
[14:10] <jdstrand> passwd: Authentication token manipulation error
[14:10] <jdstrand> passwd: password unchanged
[14:10] <jdstrand> mvo: same under sudo
[14:11] <ogra> sudo passwd -u $USER
[14:12] <jdstrand> ogra: yeah, that doesn't work
[14:12] <jdstrand> passwd: password expiry information changed.
[14:12] <jdstrand> (not the same thing as before, I forgot the -u)
[14:12] <jdstrand> but still not working
[14:13] <mborzecki> Chipaca: hm it's reproducible then? it used to happen occasionally
[14:13] <mborzecki> Chipaca: got a log?
[14:13] <Chipaca> mborzecki: https://api.travis-ci.org/v3/job/412606238/log.txt
[14:15] <mvo> jdstrand: looking, I think sergio reported this issue too
[14:15] <ogra> jdstrand, well, not sure if mvo forgot to use the patched shadow in core 18 ... we have some special packages in the image PPA that we use oin 16 and not all patches were forwarded yet
[14:15] <jdstrand> that's fine. just fyi
[14:16] <ogra> if shadow comes from the archive it will try to modify /etc/passwd by default
[14:16] <mvo> ogra: I think thats it, we are currently not pulling from the ppa
[14:16] <ogra> yeah
[14:17] <ogra> there were also some pam hacks to point to extrausers in live-build hooks ... you'll need to carry these over as well
[14:18] <mborzecki> Chipaca: mvo: looks like gce services failed
[14:18] <mvo> ogra: yeah, those should be in
[14:18] <ogra> great
[14:20] <mvo> ogra: hm, the shadow patch was also pushed to the deb, strange
[14:20]  * mvo looks deeper
[14:20] <ogra> oh, wait ... the command order above is wrong ...
[14:20] <ogra> jdstrand, sudo -u $USER passwd
[14:20] <ogra> try that one
[14:21] <mvo> sil2100: did you find out anything about the issue running consle-conf on the pis btw?
[14:30] <mborzecki> Chipaca: mvo: yeah, so multi-user.target depends on gce services https://pastebin.com/raw/8DBcXJCq, and those fail https://pastebin.com/raw/5strYP8L cachio maybe the image needs an update?
[14:32] <mborzecki> cachio: you probably need to rebuild gce-compute-image-packages and push an updated image
[14:41] <ppisati> ogra: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/382085652/buildlog_snap_ubuntu_xenial_armhf_piso-xenial-raspi2-dummy_BUILDING.txt.gz
[14:41] <sil2100> mvo: still investigating, I have some leads as I saw the 'match' rules being removed by console-conf, but I still didn't dig deeper into why the pi actually even does 'set-name', since it's completely unnecessary - anyway, in progress
[14:41] <ppisati> ogra: built fine on LP
[14:41] <mborzecki> Chipaca: mvo: maybe we could blacklist arch in the test for now, wdyt?
[14:42] <ppisati> ogra: i assume you were building xenial/raspi2, right?
[14:42] <ppisati> ogra: i mean, it built fine after i applied one more patch on top of it
[14:42] <sil2100> mvo: just to confirm, you mentioned this is only on the pi3 right now, right? SInce on my amd64 kvm there is no set-name and networking is set up correctly
[14:42] <Chipaca> mborzecki: how would we not forget to fix it?
[14:42] <ppisati> ogra: but my build failure was different than what you got
[14:42] <mvo> sil2100: yeah, on the amd64 this works, let me check what the config looks like
[14:43] <mvo> sil2100: correct, no set-name there
[14:46] <mvo> sil2100: I pushed a fix for the pam config that should fix "passwd" on core18 (cc jdstrand and cachio)
[14:46] <cachio> mvo, great
[14:46] <mvo> cachio: you add trouble beside passwd on core18? or just that you couldn't set the passwd?
[14:46] <cachio> mvo, the issue with the resize is stopping the test now
[14:46] <cachio> it was not happening on friday as frequent as today
[14:47] <cachio> mvo, by the way, 2.34.3 is stable now
[14:47] <mvo> cachio: thanks for the stable update
[14:47] <mvo> cachio: the tests are hanging using the extrnal: mode in spread for core18? or for qemu?
[14:47] <noise][> cachio: will there be a release post on the forum?
[14:48] <cachio> external
[14:48] <cachio> noise][, yes, after the smoke test
[14:49] <sil2100> mvo: thanks! Looking ;)
[14:52] <cachio> noise][, mvo smoke test completed
[14:52] <ogra> ppisati, amd64 ... xenail tree checkount with https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/zMTGd94yfr/ and just calling snapcraft in the toplevel
[14:52] <ogra> my god ... my typing ...
[14:53] <ogra> * xenial tree checkout
[14:56] <ppisati> ogra: check master-next, i fixed that too
[14:56] <ppisati> ogra: i mean, i fixed kernel snap build there too
[14:56] <ppisati> ogra: and it didn't make into master yet
[14:57] <mborzecki> Chipaca: well, then cachio needs to update the images :)
[14:59] <ogra> ppisati, ahh, thanks ... will check that one then (i just need binder and ashmem in a pc-kernel snap for core 16)
[15:00] <ppisati> ogra: binder??? are you building an android ubuntu core? :)
[15:00] <ogra> ppisati, a kiosk image that runs anbox on top of mir-kiosk is the plan
[15:01] <ogra> and anbox cant run without binder/ashmem sadly
[15:04] <plars> ogra: it should be in candidate now
[15:04] <ogra> plars, yeah, i saw, already asking the original reporter to test on the ML
[15:05] <Chipaca> cachio: is that something you can do, or are you blocked by anything?
[15:06] <cachio> Chipaca, I think I can do it, checking it
[15:07] <ogra> plars, it works fine for me (used edge though) ... but i'd like to involve the user before you push to stable so he feels like he contributed to it too ;)
[15:09] <plars> ogra: +1
[15:10] <cachio> mborzecki, in which images did you see that?
[15:11] <mborzecki> cachio: arch, the one used by the tests
[15:11] <cachio> mborzecki, ok, updating that
[15:12] <cachio> mborzecki, it takes a it until tests pass
[15:22] <ogra> ppisati, looking at snapcraft.yaml in master-next i see override-build but not the "kernel-with-firmware: false" line ... is that ok ?
[15:23] <ogra> (i dont want to waste a full build cycle if any possible)
[15:24] <ogra> well, running snapcraft anyway ...
[15:24] <ogra> lets see where this goes
[15:26] <ppisati> ogra: make install-firmware was removed around 4.7 IIRC, so it's safe not having that line in 4.4
[15:26] <ogra> ok
[15:27] <ppisati> ogra: i have a dummy snap build that checks that xenial/master-next is sound
[15:27] <mvo> jdstrand: I added PR to add vim-tiny to core18, you convinced me
[15:27] <zyga> mvo: locales-all
[15:27] <zyga> just sayin
[15:27]  * zyga takes a break from fedora29 for a sec
[15:27] <ppisati> ogra: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-kernel-team/+snap/xenial-master-next-dummy
[15:27] <mvo> zyga: hm, hm. yes
[15:28] <ppisati> ogra: and i've a bionc too
[15:28] <ppisati> ogra: to guard against kernel snap build failures
[15:29] <ogra> ppisati, oh, cool
[15:29] <jdstrand> mvo: woohoo!
[15:29] <cachio> mborzecki, currently I am updating arch by doing this
[15:29] <cachio> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/HTtMVj6cVs/
[15:29] <mvo> zyga: you are saying with this all our local issues are fixed?
[15:29] <zyga> mvo: it's a path towards that I believe
[15:29] <cachio> last one I did few minutes ago produced an image which did not start
[15:30] <jdstrand> mvo: as a thank you, I think PR 5601 is actually basically ready for review
[15:30]  * ogra hugs mvo
[15:30] <mborzecki> cachio: iirc gce pacakges were installed from aur, you need to build this package
[15:30] <zyga> I haven't experimented to say what's next but I suspect _then_ we can mostly get locale to click and apps "just" need to ship .mo files (in general)
[15:30] <jdstrand> https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5601
[15:30] <jdstrand> where's the bot?
[15:30] <ogra> vacation
[15:30] <jdstrand> mvo: the socketcall() PR. it has system and base checks now
[15:31] <jdstrand> I'd like to test on powerpc, ppc64el and s390x, but I don't have machines for those
[15:31] <cachio> mborzecki, I'll make this process manually
[15:32] <jdstrand> slangasek: hey, are there porting machines for powerpc, ppc64el and s390x that I could use? I'd need root to install/remove/connect snaps and modify/load security policy
[15:34] <ogra> just expense an ibm z-series for under your desk ...
[15:34] <jdstrand> slangasek: else, perhaps you (or someone you could direct me to) knows otoh if these architectures use the historic multiplexed socketcall() instead of the individual syscalls
[15:34] <ogra> (might need to extend the desk legs by a meter though)
[15:34] <jdstrand> ogra: hehe
[15:34] <jdstrand> pass
[15:36] <mvo> jdstrand: thanks, I check out the socketcall pr
[15:39] <jdstrand> mvo: thanks! fyi, my goal was that where socketcall is known to never be used, drop it (amd64, arm64, armhf), where it is (currently) unknown, keep it (powerpc, ppc64el, s390x) and where it could be dropped (i386), detect that, but keep core16 the same as now
[15:40] <cachio> mborzecki, I started a vm and when checking the service status it is not on degraded state
[15:40] <cachio> mborzecki, well, it is degraded
[15:40] <jdstrand> (and 14.04, since something doesn't work there even though it will have the 4.4 lts kernel and the core snaps should have the new glibc... bit of a mystery, but I didn't dig deep cause I wanted to not remove socketcall anyway)
[15:40] <jdstrand> mvo: ^
[15:41] <jdstrand> there* anyway
[15:41] <mborzecki> cachio: with the new image?
[15:41] <cachio> mborzecki, no
[15:42] <cachio> for some reason I created a new image and it didnt start
[15:42] <cachio> mborzecki, I am creating a new one
[15:47] <ogra> wiggle the (virtual) cable !
[15:55] <ogra> Priming kernel
[15:55] <ogra> Determining the version from the project repo (version-script).
[15:55] <ogra> The version has been set to '4.4.0-132.158'
[15:55] <ogra> Snapping 'pc-kernel' /
[15:55] <ogra> Snapped pc-kernel_4.4.0-132.158_amd64.snap
[15:55] <ogra> ogra@anubis:~/datengrab/anbox/ubuntu-xenial:master-next$
[15:56] <ogra> ppisati, ^^^
[15:56] <ogra> \o/
[15:56] <ogra> thanks !
[15:59] <ppisati> ogra: \o/
[16:05] <jdstrand> slangasek: actually, nm, the glibc sources made it clear
[16:11] <mvo> Chipaca: 5606 is one idea about the rate-limiting, sorry, couldn't resist (and a nice break from core18). very much rfc state at this point
[16:11] <Chipaca> mvo: reading it
[16:12] <Chipaca> mvo: was about to say somethihng about not being able to stop yourself
[16:12] <Chipaca> :-)
[16:12] <mvo> roadmr: ^- *if* this gets approval you may get the rate-limiting
[16:12] <mvo> Chipaca: heh, yeah, I have poor self-control sometimes
[16:12] <roadmr> \o/ mvo hehe
[16:12] <mvo> Chipaca: mostly when it comes to tea and code
[16:13]  * mvo considers dinner
[16:13] <roadmr> mvo: yay well let's see if it makes it. If not, no problem, it sounded like a nice idea but is no dealbraker or anything
[16:13] <Chipaca> mvo: :-D
[16:17] <Chipaca> mvo: for 'snap download' we can set up the context via a commandline option that feeds image.DownladOptions
[16:17] <Chipaca> anyway, time for a break (somebody said tea)
[16:17] <sparkiegeek> Chipaca: there's tea?
[16:21] <cachio> mborzecki, I reverted the last image
[16:21] <cachio> now it should work
[16:21] <cachio> mborzecki, I'll continue working on this image after lunch
[16:24] <om26er> mvo: Hey! in case you missed my replies, pc-kernel=18 didn't work.
[16:24] <om26er> (sorry if that appeared twice, irccloud said my first message didn't go out as I had to re identify myself)
[16:26]  * cachio lunch
[16:26] <Chipaca> sparkiegeek: there was!
[16:28] <Chipaca> mvo: had you seen https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/weird-error-message-whenever-i-run-the-snap-command/6418?u=chipaca ?
[16:44] <kyrofa> cachio, any idea why I might be having trouble installing snaps in the armhf autopkgtest runners?
[16:47] <mvo> om26er: oh, it did not work? what error do you get? (and yes, I missed the earlier message, sorry for that)
[16:47] <om26er> mvo: error: cannot download snap "pc-kernel=18": snap not found
[16:47] <om26er> here my my model assertion https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/R5YFR4GG8s/
[16:48] <mvo> om26er: and what output do you get via "snap version"?
[16:49] <mvo> om26er: the model looks fine
[16:49] <om26er> mvo: I think I missed your "you need the "edge" core"
[16:49] <mvo> om26er: aha, ok :) please try with that one
[16:50] <om26er> mvo: given linux 4.15 is in beta, shall I ask ubuntu-image to build beta ? (-c beta) ?
[16:51] <mvo> om26er: core with the needed support will soon (this week) be available via beta
[16:51] <mvo> om26er: yeah, beta is fine
[16:52] <mvo> om26er: so just to clarify "snap refresh --edge core; ubuntu-image --channel=beta your-model" hopefully works
[16:52] <om26er> mvo: I am doing that on my production machine, hopefully core from edge won't break anything (fingers crossed)
[16:53] <mvo> om26er: it should be fine (famous last words)
[16:53] <mvo> om26er: but seriously, we test it via spread quite extensively
[16:54] <mvo> om26er: but yeah, edge is always a bit risky, if its not super urgent, snapd beta should be available soon(ish), maybe even tomorrow
[16:57] <om26er> fyi guys, ubuntu.com is down
[16:58] <om26er> and all its sub-domains
[16:59] <roadmr> om26er: wfm
[16:59] <om26er> ok, its back now.
[16:59] <roadmr> om26er: I like https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ubuntu.com
[17:00] <om26er> roadmr: well, I think they just upgraded the website design
[17:00] <om26er> (ubuntu.com)
[17:04] <roadmr> om26er: oh you may be right and what you saw was the slight glitch while the agents changed stuff in the matrix^W^W^W^W^W^W^Wservers switched to the new payloads
[17:07] <slangasek> jdstrand: glad you were able to work it out.  If in the future you do need access to porter hardware with root, we have a shared POWER machine you can get access to (you can ask after it in the Server Team).  z might be harder
[17:13] <om26er> mvo: that kind of seems to have worked but `snap list` thinks there is no snap installed.
[17:13] <om26er> the system did boot in kvm
[17:16] <mvo> om26er: what does systemctl status snapd.service tells you? is that running?
[17:16] <om26er> mvo: yes, its running
[17:17] <mvo> om26er: and what does snap changes say?
[17:17] <mvo> om26er: any errors in there?
[17:18] <om26er> mvo: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9cKmnWqG3g/
[17:18] <om26er> that "error" is because I cancelled the installation of that "crossbar" snap.
[17:18] <mvo> om26er: oh, no seeding message? that is strange, it should as task 1 install all the stuff in /var/lib/snapd/seed/seed.yaml
[17:18] <om26er> mvo: could those be removed because of reboot ?
[17:18] <om26er> I rebooted once
[17:19] <mvo> om26er: usually not, the only reason why seed is not run is usually that there is a /var/lib/snapd/state.json
[17:19] <mvo> om26er: you could remove that file and boot and see what happens, systemctl stop snapd snapd.socket ; rm the file and reboot
[17:19] <mvo> om26er: need to leave for some minutes but will read backlog
[17:20] <om26er> sure
[17:22] <om26er> says "error: no changes found"
[17:37] <mvo> om26er: very strange, what does /var/lib/snapd/seed look like?
[17:38] <om26er> mvo: its polluted as I installed another snap which pull core etc
[17:38] <om26er> let me do a clean run again
[17:39] <mvo> om26er: this is probably something simple that I'm missing, its just annoying to not know what it is :) (or rather :(
[17:40] <mvo> om26er: how urgent is this? I could try to build a model assertion based on your json in my morning
[17:45] <om26er> mvo: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DZkkzWFd7H/
[17:46] <om26er> mvo: sure, not too urgent, so if you could test by tomorrow that would be great.
[17:56] <jdstrand> slangasek: ack, thanks
[18:04] <mvo> om26er: yeah, let me try this tomorrow
[18:54] <ogra> plars, FYI, the user tested ok (complains that the app shows daylight though)
[18:54] <ogra> so feel free to promote to stable
[18:57] <plars> ogra: ack, thanks!
[20:17] <plars> ogra: not sure where you were talking to the reporter, but I have a new one with 0.18.1 in candidate now too. Seems to work ok for me
[20:18] <plars> ogra: and the app probably showed daylight because it was daytime when they started it, if you want to see what it will look like tonight, you need to fast forward through time to get to the evening hours
[20:20] <ogra> plars, yeah, i told him ... he answered in the ML thread that i linked from the forum post
[20:25] <ogra> plars, 0.18.1 works fine on both machines here
[21:13]  * zyga preps for the flight in the morning, ttyl
[22:40] <slangasek> Chipaca: hmm, where do you see that systemd-detect-virt is using fscaps?
[22:41] <Chipaca> $ getcap /usr/bin/systemd-detect-virt
[22:41] <Chipaca> /usr/bin/systemd-detect-virt = cap_dac_override,cap_sys_ptrace+ep
[22:41] <slangasek> I don't see that on bionic, is it xenial-only?
[22:41] <Chipaca> I haven't looked at bionic, this machine is xenial
[22:42] <slangasek> yeah, seems that's gone in bionic
[22:42] <Chipaca> still will have to chase it down for 16
[22:42] <Chipaca> but it's probably fine
[22:42]  * slangasek nods
[22:43] <Chipaca> slangasek: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/HmbbMBZ8mY/
[22:44] <Chipaca> fwiw
[22:47] <Chipaca> in bionic traceroute6.iputils is u+s instead
[22:47] <Chipaca> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[22:48] <Chipaca> and g'night :-)


[01:17] <balloons> flocculant, are you filing these when you think of them?
[01:18] <balloons> I know i know, but if you are someone like me, you forget things. I find it much better to write it down
[12:06] <slickymasterWork> flocculant, bug 1510911
[13:27] <flocculant> balloons: I didn't because qa website bugs ;) but bug 1510939
[13:27] <balloons> afternoon to you
[13:28] <flocculant> slickymasterWork: ok - thanks, I'll check later to see if it's globalbuntu
[13:28] <flocculant> balloons: :)
[13:39] <akxwi-dave> Testing pidgin
[13:40] <flocculant> slickymasterWork: I think that's probably tied up with the same as bug 1447038 - I certainly haven't been able to successfully reboot vbox from a clean install
[13:44] <flocculant> had stopped reporting vb issues tbh
[13:44] <flocculant> I guess that needs to get fixed for LTS
[14:38] <slickymasterWork> my thoughts exactly, flocculant
[15:23] <balloons> vbox can be interesting at times
[15:26] <slickymasterWork> and a pain most of the times balloons ;)
[15:26] <balloons> I actually have come around to qemu recently
[15:27]  * slickymasterWork definitely has to give it a try
[17:31] <flocculant> balloons: qemu is fine - but if no-one tested with vbox to see it fail - constantly - then devs wouldn't have the first clue that it did fail - constantly ;)
[17:32] <flocculant> and the qemu thing I tried - but not at all intuitive, had issues making it use something as the place to store that was external
[17:32] <balloons> flocculant, qemu isn't point and click indeed
[17:32] <balloons> which is a positive and a negative
[17:32] <flocculant> also grabs iso's owns them by root and then zsync fails
[17:33] <flocculant> balloons: well Ubuntu is supposedly for humans ;)
[17:33] <balloons> yep.. it needs some hand holding, but it can be scripte
[17:33] <balloons> I was just pointing it out, not recommending someone who needs to run ubuntu in a VM to use it, heh
[17:33] <flocculant> so all in all - I'd rather fail the iso using vbox - which is what normal people use
[17:33] <balloons> yep
[17:34] <flocculant> balloons: yea totally understand - just giving the other opinion :)
[17:34] <balloons> it's well said
[17:34] <flocculant> the root owned iso really annoys me - ended up needing to keep seperate ones :)
[17:36]  * flocculant has the headache from hell
[17:36] <flocculant> again
[17:50] <flocculant> cyphermox: so ... virtual box - as much as I understand that you all use qemu and don't see the fail to remove the media issue - are we really going to release LTS with that issue? Given that the likelihood is that *normal* people would use something like virtualbox or vmware
[17:51] <flocculant> bug 1510911 is the latest one of those - I've changed it from ubiquity to casper - but only because another one is casper
[17:51] <cyphermox> flocculant: well, I'm not sure what other steps we can take to get the CD to eject
[17:51] <cyphermox> flocculant: is it just that or does Enter not work either?
[17:52] <flocculant> I doubt if anything has changed since wily - so it just sits there - Enter does nothing, you have to kill the guest
[17:53] <flocculant> if Enter at least did something that would be better than what there is
[17:54] <dkessel> bug 1447038 affects me too
[17:54] <flocculant> dkessel: it will
[17:54] <flocculant> all of them will
[17:55] <flocculant> cyphermox: I'm just bringing it up now at the beginning rather than the end of March next :p
[17:55] <cyphermox> good plan ;)
[17:56] <flocculant> cyphermox: if I need to "If you install with vbox (or whatever) it will fail to eject - kill the guest, no-one can fix this" after being told that by people who know - then I'm happy to do that
[17:56] <flocculant> just didn't want it to float about with loads of dupes :)
[17:58] <flocculant> back to holding my head and moaning pitifully to myself for a bit
[18:01] <cyphermox> flocculant: I plan on installing some free vmware soonish
[18:02] <flocculant> cyphermox: don't get me wrong - I ONLY use vm to test dailies and packages now and again, I just know that other people do use it as an actual install
[18:07] <flocculant> I guess my issue is how it looks to people outside :)


[10:23] <doko> ddstreet: I see you touched knot-resolver before. would it be possible to look at the merge? currently fails autopkg tests with the new knot version
[11:45] <doko> xnox: did you follow-up on https://github.com/ntop/nDPI/pull/840 ?
[11:53] <xnox> doko:  i have not
[11:53] <xnox> doko:  i failed at configuring wireshark and inspecting packets to understand if nDPI is broken, or if the test data is broken (and is endian specific), or both.
[11:57] <danboid> didrocks: Will zsys handle spare disks ie automatically replacing dead disks with spares?
[11:58] <danboid> I've not had any luck getting this to work with zed
[12:01] <ahasenack> good morning
[12:01] <danboid> In my experience, when a disk fully gives up the ghost, zfs sees it as REMOVED, which is when it would ideally be auto-replaced with a hot spare
[12:04] <danboid> At the moment I'm having to replace failed disks manually when they fail with my proxmox RAID2 array
[12:04] <danboid> RAIDZ2
[12:13] <ahasenack> danboid: is zed running? afaik it's the one responsible for the replacement actions
[12:13] <ahasenack> maybe it's missing a config
[12:13] <ahasenack> sorry, just jumping in on what you said last, no idea about context
[12:14] <danboid> ahasenack, Yeah its running bu I've read reports of others having this issue with zed
[12:14] <danboid> claiming it doesn't actually work for swapping spares. Have you got zed to work?
[12:15] <ahasenack> I remember having to do something with in to enable hot spare
[12:15] <danboid> I have attempted to configure it according to the docs and a guide I found
[12:15] <ahasenack> back when I tested this, in an older system
[12:15] <danboid> Don't suppose yoiu still have your zed config do you?
[12:16] <ahasenack> no
[12:16] <ahasenack> I'm trying to remember
[12:16] <ahasenack> I think it had to be told to listen to this particular event
[12:16] <ahasenack> I'm checking the default config to see if something rings a bell
[12:16] <danboid> OK thanks
[12:16] <danboid> I'm wondering if zsys may expand to cover this
[12:19] <ahasenack> danboid: do you have autoreplace=on in the pool?
[12:19] <ahasenack> zpool get autoreplace
[12:21] <danboid> ahasenack, No! That could be my problem then. I'll enable that
[12:23] <danboid> Thanks!
[12:23] <ahasenack> hope it works
[12:24] <ahasenack> more details I don't have at the moment
[12:31] <doko> sforshee, apw: looking at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gkrellm2-cpufreq/0.6.4-6/+build/19239466 is libcpupower-dev something which should be built from the kernel sources?
[12:31] <LocutusOfBorg> tjaalton, http://debomatic-amd64.debian.net/distribution#unstable/renderdoc/1.7+dfsg-3.1/buildlog do you care about debian?
[12:31] <LocutusOfBorg> I uploaded in groovy the fix
[12:36] <ahasenack> doko: upstream golang fix for that s390x issue :) https://go-review.googlesource.com/c/go/+/238628/
[12:46] <didrocks> danboid: this is rather a built-in ZFS feature. But we'll propose in the future built-in raid and spare in the installer
[12:46] <xnox> ahasenack:  so obvious!
[12:46] <ahasenack> xnox: I'm confused, in which timezone are you in again? :)
[12:46] <ahasenack> I thought UK
[12:46] <ahasenack> but then I saw you online at like 10pm my time
[12:50] <xnox> i have midnight weekly calls
[12:55] <danboid> didrocks: Yes, adding spare zfs disk suppport to the installer would be a very nice feature to have
[12:56] <danboid> didrocks: Any idea when the installer will better support zfs ie creating zfs partitions, RAIDZ etc?
[12:57] <danboid> Might we see any of this in 20.10?
[12:57] <ahasenack> xnox: ouch
[13:36] <oSoMoN> I doubt this is going to collide with anyone else doing +1 maintenance, but just in case, I'm looking at rocksdb FTBFS (bug #1884072)
[13:37] <oSoMoN> ha, just saw rbalint's comment on the bug, ok…
[13:37] <oSoMoN> so I guess I'm not working on this any longer :)
[14:06] <oSoMoN> python-cogent autopkgtests pass locally, can anyone please retry https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=groovy&arch=amd64&package=python-cogent&trigger=python-cogent%2F2020.2.7a%2Bdfsg-2 , https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=groovy&arch=arm64&package=python-cogent&trigger=python-cogent%2F2020.2.7a%2Bdfsg-2 , https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=groovy&arch=ppc64el&package=python-cogent&trigger=python-cogent%2F2
[14:06] <oSoMoN> 020.2.7a%2Bdfsg-2 and https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=groovy&arch=s390x&package=python-cogent&trigger=python-cogent%2F2020.2.7a%2Bdfsg-2 ?
[14:07] <seb128> oSoMoN, I clicked those
[14:07] <oSoMoN> thanks!
[14:26] <oSoMoN> seb128, looks like they're failing again, at least on arm64 (didn't catch the output on other arches and the logs aren't there yet), but one difference with my local run is that I was using all of groovy-proposed, including pytest=4.6.11-1, can you rerun with that additional trigger?
[14:30] <seb128> oSoMoN, done
[14:30] <oSoMoN> thanks!
[14:30] <seb128> np!
[14:55] <oSoMoN> still failed, bleh
[16:39] <oSoMoN> seb128, are you looking at the libvorbis autopkgtest failures? if not I'll take it
[16:40] <oSoMoN> (the fix looks trivial)
[17:00] <oSoMoN> seb128, I'll take the answer to my first question as a no :) I filed https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=963082 and submitted https://salsa.debian.org/multimedia-team/libvorbis/-/merge_requests/1, will share a debdiff for an ubuntu upload in a moment
[17:08] <oSoMoN> there we go: https://people.canonical.com/~osomon/+1maintenance/libvorbis.debdiff
[17:09] <oSoMoN> core devs: sponsoring welcome ^
[17:46] <rbasak> bryce: https://code.launchpad.net/~racb/usd-importer/+git/usd-importer/+merge/386013 is ready for an initial look please
[17:46] <rbasak> I expect this will take you quite some time
[17:49] <bryce> rbasak, ok noted
[17:53] <rbalint> oSoMoN, thanks, sponsoring libvorbis
[17:53] <oSoMoN> cheers
[17:53] <rbalint> oSoMoN, also upstreaming the fix to Debian
[17:53] <oSoMoN> rbalint, done already
[17:53] <oSoMoN> https://salsa.debian.org/multimedia-team/libvorbis/-/merge_requests/1
[17:55] <rbalint> oSoMoN, merging then as well :-)
[17:55] <oSoMoN> thx
[17:57] <oSoMoN> gmenuharness was removed in focal (bug #1866434), but is back (and FTBFS) in groovy, I guess it should be removed again? (and how did it manage to creep back in?)
[17:57] <rbalint> oSoMoN, usually I prefer updating the changelog with gbp dch in a separate commit
[17:58] <oSoMoN> rbalint, feel free to break that up in two commits (or keep only the functional changes part)
[17:58] <rbalint> oSoMoN, ok, doing that
[19:42] <seb128> oSoMoN, sorry i was too slow to reply :)
[19:43] <oSoMoN> seb128, no worries, it's all handled now
[19:43] <oSoMoN> do you know what happened with gmenuharness (see my question above)?
[19:46] <seb128> oSoMoN, no, I don't know, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gmenuharness/+publishinghistory is weird
[19:46] <seb128> it was deleted from focal on 2020-04-01.
[19:47] <seb128> but on 2020-04-24
[19:47] <seb128>  Copied from ubuntu focal in Primary Archive for Ubuntu  to G
[19:47] <seb128> but ye
[19:47] <seb128> but yeah, it should be removed again I guess


[00:04] <Azelphur> Anyone here know much about sslh? trying to get transparent working and having no luck
[02:31] <diddledan> what I'm currently messing with:  https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/m6qEm1du/
[02:34] <daftykins> o0
[02:34] <diddledan> :-p
[02:34] <diddledan> that's the right response :-p
[02:35] <daftykins> is it gonna be a help site?
[02:36] <diddledan> that's probably a good idea to add in addition
[02:36] <diddledan> right now it's the barebones of release tracking
[02:38] <daftykins> oic
[02:38] <daftykins> wouldn't the # give away when a release came out though :D
[02:40] <diddledan> well.. yes.. but that's only to the month
[02:43] <daftykins> true, not to the second
[02:43]  * daftykins suggests microseconds
[02:43] <daftykins> >:D
[02:43] <diddledan> :-p
[04:11] <mapps> hi
[04:12] <daftykins> mornin'
[04:16] <daftykins> what's new?
[05:04] <diddledan> so, I think I have almost every iteration of microsoft's operating systems since dos3.2
[05:04] <daftykins> :D
[05:05] <diddledan> I just found dos 4 and dos 5
[05:05] <diddledan> so that completes dos 3 thru 6
[05:06] <diddledan> and I've got win3.11, win95, win98, winme, win2k, winxp, winvista, win8 and win10 (missing win7!)
[05:06] <daftykins> 98SE!
[05:06] <daftykins> 95 OSR2!
[05:06] <daftykins> ;)
[05:08] <mapps> de nada
[05:08] <mapps> ive gotta go morrisons..ddnt have tie yesterday and have no food
[05:08] <mapps> grmpf
[05:08] <mapps> going to slovaikia in 2 months yay
[05:10] <daftykins> D:
[05:10] <daftykins> what'd you need a tie for?
[05:12] <mapps> time i meant
[05:12] <mapps> typo
[05:12] <daftykins> aww that's far less interesting :D
[05:12] <daftykins> so how's life down south?
[05:16] <mapps> all good, slight pain its hard work ordering stuff to here
[05:16] <mapps> but i get by
[05:16] <mapps> goiing to err campino del rey in a few weeks
[05:16] <daftykins> you need yourself an electronics mule
[05:17] <daftykins> ah har
[05:17] <mapps> heh
[05:17] <diddledan> is that someone who shoves a new laptop up their jacksee?
[05:17] <mapps> camino del rey looks cool u seen it?
[05:21] <daftykins> no sir-ee
[05:22] <mapps> google it;)
[05:23] <daftykins> i've got another Malaga fly through trip planned for June but it's work only again so 2 days =|
[05:23] <diddledan> :-(
[05:23] <daftykins> if i had a license i could probably go for longer but eh
[05:23] <diddledan> work travel sucks
[05:24] <daftykins> on the plus side i can use it as a holiday home myself in future i think
[05:24] <diddledan> \o/
[05:24] <mapps> why do u need a license
[05:25] <mapps> did u check it..it looks cool
[05:25] <diddledan> plus if you can you'll be living like royalty the amount he's decked that place out
[05:26] <daftykins> did i tell you they'd laid like 5m^2 of tiles in the lounge before he visited and said they were the wrong direction, so had to start over? :D
[05:26] <diddledan> wha?! wrong direction tiles?!!!
[05:26] <daftykins> tip
[05:26] <diddledan> the horror!
[05:26] <mapps> hm
[05:26] <daftykins> i asked him about it
[05:26] <mapps> so why license
[05:26] <daftykins> apparently it's like stripes vs. bands on fat people
[05:26] <mapps> taxi or bus everywhere
[05:26] <diddledan> so his room looked overweight?
[05:27] <daftykins> yeah i could try speaking to other folks i guess :>
[05:27] <daftykins> diddledan: yep
[05:27] <daftykins> or too skinny
[05:27] <daftykins> i think too skinny
[05:27] <diddledan> I like big butts and I cannot lie
[05:28] <mapps> hm
[05:28] <daftykins> most other brothers cannot deny
[05:28] <daftykins> when a tile is laid...
[05:28] <daftykins> yeah.
[05:28] <daftykins> diddlekins, performing at a club near you
[05:29] <daftykins> actually that name sounds really really wrong
[06:59] <AuroraAvenue_> Morning.
[07:00] <daftykins> \o
[07:01] <AuroraAvenue_> nephew in town from Holland this morning. Racketball first.
[07:03] <daftykins> Tennis o0
[07:53] <AuroraAvenue_> daftykins: Not quite, it's on a squash court.
[08:22] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:23] <brmbrmcar> Morning.
[08:24] <brobostigon> morning brmbrmcar
[08:25] <brmbrmcar> :)
[09:57] <diddledan> beep beep
[10:06] <brobostigon> meep meep
[10:24] <brmbrmcar> beep meeep
[13:03] <foobarry> mooo
[13:52] <ali1234> bug 1574018
[15:50] <penguin42> does anyone know any ex-ferranti people around Bracknell?
[18:56] <SparkySergal> nickserv identify intoterlod
[19:04] <SparkySergal> hi, whats the best audio drivers for ubuntu? I have pulse as default but it's not great quallity and not all apps like to find the microphone
[20:58] <daftykins> hehe, audio drivers
[23:21] <Nokaji> So is it out yet?
[23:23] <daftykins> here's a tip, we're past the release date