[00:29] <killmaker> check this out http://codes4free.net/?ref=FPjYNpU2b
[02:14] <Ximo> Hello, does anyone knows how to delete those two icons?(Not the K menu) http://i.imgur.com/WOD7QQ9.png
[02:14] <Ximo> With the cashew I can't
[08:33] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:36] <geoextra> Hey :-)
[08:37] <lordievader> Hey geoextra, how are you?
[08:43] <geoextra> Fine, thx.  Had to change the font color
[09:00] <tsimpson> amichair: no, if it's empty it doesn't take up space
[09:00] <amichair> tsimpson: great
[09:01] <amichair> is it recommended to put /tmp on tmpfs?
[09:01] <tsimpson> nope
[09:01] <basheba> hey what happened to the kubuntu women channel?
[09:01] <amichair> tsimpson: do you know why not?
[09:02] <tsimpson> amichair: you may need more storage than you have memory, like if you want to burn a CD/DVD for example
[09:02] <tsimpson> I've also seen browsers store large data in /tmp
[09:03] <tsimpson> /tmp was on a tmpfs in Ubuntu a few years back and it was decided it just wasn't worth it for most people
[09:03] <tsimpson> basheba: you mean #ubuntu-women ?
[09:03] <basheba> oh ok thanks
[09:04] <amichair> tsimpson: I see
[09:04] <valorie> basheba: #ubuntu-women is for all of us in the community who support women in Ubuntu
[09:04] <valorie> we'd be pretty small if we split up by desktop
[09:06] <lordievader> geoextra: Doing good here :)
[09:06] <amichair> tsimpson: and how much swap is recommended for 16G RAM?
[09:06] <tsimpson> amichair: that depends, do you want to be able to hibernate/suspend to disk?
[09:07] <amichair> tsimpson: not really
[09:07] <tsimpson> then you can probably get away with between 1 to 5 GB
[09:08] <amichair> tsimpson: ok, thanks!
[10:21] <rd_> hi
[10:23] <lordievader> Hey rd_
[11:19] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:57] <Ximo_> Hello BluesKaj
[11:59] <BluesKaj> hi Ximo_
[12:06] <EvilEagle> is there some trick when trying to add a printer that is on the network, (a windows network,) that will allow me to browse for the printer.  there is a big Browse button, but it is grayed out.
[12:08] <lordievader> EvilEagle: Is it shared through SAMBA/CIFS?
[12:10] <EvilEagle> they are share yes.  i have 6 or 7 connected at different locations.  i move them often enough being able to browser for them instead of memorizing their shae names would be much better.
[12:10] <EvilEagle> shared i meant
[12:11] <lordievader> EvilEagle: The smbclient can list printers it seems: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/SMB-HOWTO-8.html
[12:13] <EvilEagle> yeah  i was trying to use kde's printer applet.  guess its just broke
[12:14] <EvilEagle> i can walk ot the machines and get their share names.  jsut was wondering if i was missing  a package or something
[12:14] <EvilEagle> or systems settings that is
[12:26] <EvilEagle> what is triggering the notification that "proprietary drivers might be required  ."  i have selected the nvida driver i want already but the notification comes back once ever couple minutes or so.
[15:09] <basheba> ya know what?  Someone should let Canonical/KDE/Kubuntu developers know that Kubuntu 13.10 and above should with graphic driver version nvidia-304 by default for the nvidia cards.  I can't get Trusty on here b/c 14.04 won't give me the gpu I need.
[15:10] <lordievader> !info nvidia-304
[15:12] <BluesKaj> !nvidia-current
[15:13] <BluesKaj> !info nvidia-current
[15:14] <BluesKaj> well now , the 319 driver has regressed to 304 on 13.10
[15:14] <lordievader> !info nvidia-current saucy
[15:16] <lordievader> Don't really get his complaint.
[15:16] <BluesKaj> lordievader, I recall 13.10 nvidia-current was 313 after a clean install, then after upgrades the current went to 319
[15:17] <BluesKaj> now it's 304 for stabilitu I assume
[15:17] <BluesKaj> stability
[17:03] <jxjl> hi, does anybody know, how to get global appmenu working for gtk apps and LibreOffice in new Kubuntu? I have installed appmenu-gtk as usual, but nohning happened
[17:46] <bubble_beam> hello
[17:46] <bubble_beam> i installed kde-plasma-desktop package
[17:46] <bubble_beam> and i cant find the network manager icon on the panel
[17:49] <DarthFrog> bubble_beam:  Use the magic cashew to add it.
[17:49] <bubble_beam> DarthFrog, ?
[17:50] <BluesKaj> click the cashew icon on the far right, then add widgets, type network into the searchbar, choose network management
[17:50] <DarthFrog> When the panel has the focus, there's a cashew-shaped golden icon on the right.  Click on it.
[17:50] <bubble_beam> okay
[17:50] <bubble_beam> what should i be adding exactly?
[17:51] <DarthFrog> Do as BluesKaj suggested.
[17:51] <bubble_beam> there is only network monitory
[17:51] <bubble_beam> monitor*
[17:51] <bubble_beam> no network management
[17:51] <BluesKaj> bubble_beam, install kubuntu-desktop
[17:52] <bubble_beam> i already did
[17:52] <bubble_beam> kde-plasma-desktop
[17:52] <bubble_beam> so , more packages needed?
[17:52] <DarthFrog> plasma-widget-networkmanagement
[17:53] <bubble_beam> okay DarthFrog
[17:53] <bubble_beam> :)
[17:53] <bubble_beam> lemme try
[17:53] <BluesKaj> kde-plasma-desktop is not kubuntu-desktop afaik
[17:53] <bubble_beam> well, i thought it will be much lighter than the whole package
[17:53] <DarthFrog> It'd be part of it, I imagine.
[17:54] <bubble_beam> okay
[17:54] <DarthFrog> Much lighter?  Not likely.
[17:54] <bubble_beam> a ton of other things comes with the kubuntu-desktop package
[17:54] <bubble_beam> which are not nearly necessary
[17:55] <bubble_beam> okay. a bit lighter :)
[17:56] <DarthFrog> Well, then you can chase down the individual packages to provide your desired functionality.  :-)
[17:57] <DarthFrog> Use "apt-cache search <search term>" to identify them.
[17:57] <DarthFrog> and "apt-cache show <package name>" to get info on them.
[17:57] <bubble_beam> lol
[17:57]  * BluesKaj shrugs
[17:58] <bubble_beam> i should go for something like corelinux or arch :P
[17:58]  * DarthFrog notes a certain similarity in attitude between BluesKaj and Pontius Pilate. :-)
[17:58] <shadeslayer> bubble_beam: you probably want to install kubuntu-desktop btw
[17:58] <bubble_beam> shadeslayer, ?
[17:58] <bubble_beam> why?
[17:59] <shadeslayer> because, that only installs plasma desktop and stuff, a bit useless by itself I imagine
 i should go for something like corelinux or arch :P < how does that help?
[18:00] <DarthFrog> Arch?  Do you enjoy wearing hair shirts?
[18:00] <BluesKaj> DarthFrog, kubuntu-desktop does include some very useful apps , but also some that I never use
[18:00] <bubble_beam> well, DarthFrog was suggesting just find and install individual packages
[18:01] <DarthFrog> Only to meet your stated goals.  Not because I agree with you.
[18:01] <bubble_beam> alright
[18:01] <bubble_beam> lol
[18:01] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: rather install more and have stuff working than install less and spend time trying to figure out why things don't work
[18:02] <bubble_beam> i am not up for an OS war :)
[18:02] <DarthFrog> And no-one is suggesting one.
[18:04] <BluesKaj> yup, agreed shadeslayer , but i'm tired of arguing for a package that comes with a lot of excess baggage
[18:04] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: alot of excess baggage? lol
[18:04] <shadeslayer> we have to keep the ISO size down
[18:04] <shadeslayer> so it's basically the bare essentials
[18:04] <bubble_beam> like arch
[18:04] <bubble_beam> lol
[18:04] <BluesKaj> like the PIM
[18:04] <bubble_beam> and maybe arch with a gui
[18:05] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: I actually use it tbh ...
[18:05] <BluesKaj> then have fun with arch, it never did much for me
[18:05] <shadeslayer> ^^
[18:05] <bubble_beam> i am okay with my ubuntu :P
[18:05] <shadeslayer> I managed to make it do something, till I broke it at the next update xD
[18:06] <bubble_beam> debian is pretty stable for me
[18:06] <DarthFrog> I installed Arch and was rather confused.  Why is eth0 now epS0e6?
[18:07] <bubble_beam> lol
[18:07] <lordievader> DarthFrog: That actually makes sense, it is the bios name (or something like that).
[18:07] <lordievader> DarthFrog: The idea is that it prevents name switching.
[18:07] <DarthFrog> lordievader:  :-)  OK.
[18:07] <bubble_beam> unable to locate package kubuntu-desktop
[18:08] <lordievader> !info kubuntu-desktop
[18:08] <lordievader> bubble_beam: Update your sources?
[18:09] <bubble_beam> do i have to add any repo?
[18:09] <DarthFrog> Universe.
[18:09] <DarthFrog> You might have to enable it.
[18:09] <BluesKaj> universe deb
[18:09] <bubble_beam> it should be by default though
[18:10] <shadeslayer> how *did* you install ? 0.o
[18:10] <bubble_beam> shadeslayer, kde?
[18:10] <shadeslayer> bubble_beam: ubuntu
[18:10] <bubble_beam> sudo apt-get install kde-plasma-desktop
[18:10] <BluesKaj> check your /etc/apt/sources.list
[18:11] <bubble_beam> oops i am sorry
[18:11] <bubble_beam> i made a mistake
[18:11] <bubble_beam> i was typing into an ssh terminal
[18:11] <bubble_beam> lol
[18:12] <BluesKaj> wrong machine
[18:12] <bubble_beam> yep
[18:12] <bubble_beam> now its okay
[18:12] <bubble_beam> :)
[18:12] <BluesKaj> done that :)
[18:12] <bubble_beam> yeah , thanks guy
[18:12] <bubble_beam> guys*
[18:12] <bubble_beam> 70 extra MBs needed to be downloaded
[18:13] <BluesKaj> metapackage
[18:13] <bubble_beam> thts a whole lot of baggage
[18:14] <BluesKaj> bubble_beam, 70mb are you on a '98 vintage pc ? :)
[18:14] <bubble_beam> :)
[19:36] <paradoxajd> hello
[19:36] <paradoxajd> i have a question
[19:37] <paradoxajd> can i have other desktop manager in kubuntu
[19:37] <paradoxajd> i really like kubuntu packages (kate, okular,..) but i really liked xfce4 more
[19:37] <paradoxajd> what should i do
[19:38] <ikonia> install xfce ?
[19:38] <ikonia> or even better do a clean xubuntu install
[19:38] <paradoxajd> but i want Ksoftware
[19:38] <ikonia> thats fine
[19:39] <ikonia> as long as you have the dependencies, it will run
[19:40] <bprompt> paradoxajd:    sure, I run kubuntu but my window manager is LXDE
[19:41] <bprompt> I used to a long long ago, in SuSE used to run gnome and kde apps, had both desktop managers installed, and also ran apps from both, all ran fine
[19:42] <ikonia> there can be problems if components depends on running desktop components, but they are few and far between
[19:42] <paradoxajd> hmm, thanks for help
[19:43] <paradoxajd> is it possible for me to get xfce with arch ?
[19:43] <ikonia> as in archlinux the distribution ?
[19:43] <ikonia> with arch ?
[19:44] <paradoxajd> no
[19:44] <paradoxajd> arch with xfce desktop
[19:44] <ikonia> then what do you mean by "with arch"
[19:44] <ikonia> what do you mean by arch ?
[19:44] <ikonia> is that a kde app ?
[19:44] <paradoxajd> archlinux
[19:44] <paradoxajd> https://www.archlinux.org/
[19:44] <ikonia> I just asked you if you meant archlinux and you said no
[19:44] <ikonia> ask the arch linux guys what packges they support
[19:44] <bprompt> paradoxajd:     I don't see why not
[19:44] <paradoxajd> i thought it isnt distribution
[19:45] <paradoxajd> (i kinda begginer to linux related stuff)
[19:45] <ikonia> #archlinux is the arch channel
[19:45] <bprompt> paradoxajd:     pretty much, you can on any linux distribution, run any desktop or windwo manager, same again, I used to run kubuntu and also at some point in SuSE ran xfce for a while
[19:45] <paradoxajd> okay, thanks everyone for input
[19:45] <paradoxajd> i really appriciate it
[19:46] <bprompt> np
[19:46] <bprompt> aemmm I meant to say, I ran KDE as my desktop manager in SuSE but was using xfce =) anyhow
[19:47] <paradoxajd> aha
[19:47] <paradoxajd> idk, maybe its because of this plasma thing
[19:47] <paradoxajd> is there something like "vanialla" kde ?
[19:47] <ikonia> what do you not want ?
[19:48] <paradoxajd> idk tbh
[19:48] <lordievader> paradoxajd: Kubuntu tries to deliver a vanilla KDE.
[19:48] <bprompt> paradoxajd:    keep in mind  that the "plasma thing" is just features of "kwin" window manager, no kde desktop manager, you can run kde apps just fine with whatever desktop manager or window manager you wish, it just happens that kde uses "kwin" window manager by default
[19:48] <ikonia> paradoxajd: why don't you focus on just using the desktop rather than asking for things you don't really know
[19:49] <ikonia> eg: "I want vanilla kde" - but you don't even know what's not vanilla about your current kde
[19:49] <paradoxajd> i got problems with my xubuntu, so deciced to try kubuntu
[19:49] <bprompt> paradoxajd:      vanilla?   define that? you mean run kde apps on a light window and desktop environment?
[19:50] <paradoxajd> i've seen nice simple look of kubuntu at uni lab pc
[19:50] <bprompt> which is what I do  pretty much with LXDE
[19:50] <paradoxajd> wanted the same, but got this plasma thing
[19:50] <lordievader> bprompt: vanilla means no modifications, i.e. as if you compile KDE from source.
[19:50] <ikonia> paradoxajd: again, concentrate on using it and working out what you like/don't like
[19:50] <ikonia> you can't ask for things that you don't even know what you're asking for
[19:50] <bprompt> hmmm
[19:51] <paradoxajd> well yeah, my bad
[19:51] <zamaliphe> upgrade mysql to 5.6 try to remove kde any help previnting that ?
[19:51] <ikonia> zamaliphe: where are you getting 5.6 from ?
[19:52] <zamaliphe> from same repo i use
[19:52] <lordievader> !info mysql-server
[19:52] <bprompt> paradoxajd:    you can customize kwin lots.... so... as ikonia  said, you can get rid of many say, gestures or animations you may not want, like my kwin window manager, I have it setupu to use the "classic menu" and I removed animations that just cause delays as I see it
[19:52] <ikonia> zamaliphe: which repo
[19:52] <ikonia> zamaliphe: "same repo" is not information, which repo
[19:52] <lordievader> Seemingly not from the Ubuntu repository.
[19:53] <ikonia> it's going to be yet another poorly packages PPA where they have screwed the dependencies up so kde no longer meets the requirements and is removed
[19:53] <zamaliphe> ikonia: trusty
[19:53] <ikonia> zamaliphe: that's not a repo
[19:53] <paradoxajd> bprompt, i set "classic menu" too
[19:53] <ikonia> zamaliphe: which repo are you getting it from
[19:53] <lordievader> zamaliphe: Can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy mysql-server"
[19:54] <bprompt> paradoxajd:    then kwin works for you it seems, just need to change a few things in workspace and appearance
[19:55] <paradoxajd> one thing that bothers me is that all apps are in some taskbar, no matter in what virtual desktop arein
[19:56] <paradoxajd> in xubuntu, each virtual desktop had it own taskbar
[19:56] <lordievader> paradoxajd: That behaviour, too, is highly customizable.
[19:56] <lordievader> For example on my laptop only the windows of the current desktop are shown.
[19:57] <lordievader> But on most other machines I leave it at the default.
[19:58] <zamaliphe> lordievader: http://pastebin.com/bFsndSJ0
[19:58] <lordievader> zamaliphe: Hmm, so what is using 5.6 of mysql?
[19:59] <zamaliphe> lordievader: i have no idea
[19:59] <bprompt> paradoxajd:    each virtual desktop would have its own taskbar.... otherwise it'd lose it's "desktopness"   so... that's expectable I'd think
[20:00] <lordievader> zamaliphe: Then I do not follow your problem.
[20:00] <zamaliphe> lordievader: how can i force apt to install 5.6 replace 5.5 keep kde pakges ?
[20:00] <lordievader> zamaliphe: mysql 5.6 isn't available in the repo.
[20:00] <bprompt> paradoxajd:     then again... that's just kwin.... if you don't want to use kwin... you can use some other window manager... if you want docks... get  lxwm   or ... xfce or whatever else, quite a few out there
[20:01] <bprompt> paradoxajd:     but all that's customizable  in appearance or workspace in system settings for "kwin" anyway
[20:04] <paradoxajd> oka
[20:04] <paradoxajd> i guess i'll play with customisations more
[20:04] <ikonia> zamaliphe: where are you getting the 5.6 package from ?
[20:05] <zamaliphe> ikonia: http://pastebin.com/gb2ZHkMD
[20:06] <lordievader> !info mysql-server-5.6
[20:06] <ikonia> then why is apt-cache policy also showing 5.5
[20:06] <ikonia> 1info mysql-server
[20:06] <ikonia> !info mysql-server
[20:06] <lordievader> Well, that's interesting.
[20:06] <ikonia> this is shambles,
[20:07] <lordievader> Still why install 5.6 if it removes KDE, seems a bit silly to me.
[20:07] <lordievader> zamaliphe: Why do you need 5.6?
[20:07] <zamaliphe> lordievader: becuse i get few bugs with 5.5
[20:07] <zamaliphe> lordievader: i think that 5.6 will fix them
[20:08] <Exagone313> zamaliphe: try to compile it
[20:08] <ikonia> zamaliphe: which bugs
[20:08] <ikonia> zamaliphe: do not compile anything
[20:08] <Exagone313> haha
[20:08] <ikonia> Exagone313: it's not funny
[20:08] <zamaliphe> ikonia: i keep geeting memory errors with 5.5
[20:08] <ikonia> zamaliphe: what sort of memory errors ?
[20:08] <ikonia> OOM ?
[20:08] <Exagone313> ikonia: it can be a solution, but compile is sometimes difficult
[20:09] <ikonia> Exagone313: no, it's not a solution, more so when there are official packages
[20:09] <Exagone313> or extract deb file
[20:09] <ikonia> why ?
[20:09] <ikonia> what benifit is that going to give ?
[20:09] <zamaliphe> ikonia: i know this is why i'm trying to install it from ubutu
[20:10] <ikonia> zamaliphe: so what's the memory problems OOM ?
[20:10] <zamaliphe> ikonia: mysqli_connect(): (HY000/1135): Can't create a new thread (errno 11); if you are not out of available memory
[20:11] <ikonia> zamaliphe: does your machine have memory free ? are you hitting the IPC limits from your mysql setup ?
[20:11] <ikonia> zamaliphe: have you changed the my.cnf from default ?
[20:11] <ikonia> (or any settings from default)
[20:12] <lordievader> zamaliphe: Seems more like a configuration fault than a bug in the software.
[20:12] <zamaliphe> ikonia: i have 6 GB RAM + 3GB swap
[20:12] <ikonia> zamaliphe: not asking your machine spec
[20:13] <miguel> hola a todos necesito ayuda para elegir piezas para montar un pc. gracias espero ayuda
[20:13] <ikonia> !es | miguel
[20:13] <zamaliphe> ikonia: i tested and tryed defrent configration many times but no help
[20:13] <ikonia> zamaliphe: from reading the man page on that error code it's when there isn't enough memory for client connections or the "max_used_connections" variable
[20:13] <ikonia> doesn't look like a bug, at this moment in time
[20:14] <ikonia> zamaliphe: is this a vps ?
[20:14] <zamaliphe> ikonia: i'm the only one using this and this is my local pc
[20:15] <ikonia> zamaliphe: look at the max_used_connections in your database and the settings in /etc/security/limits.conf
[20:16] <zamaliphe> ikonia: i done that and changed that option allready
[20:16] <zamaliphe> ikonia: i rely need to upgrade to 5.6
[20:16] <ikonia> you do'nt need anything
[20:16] <zamaliphe> how can i hold ubuntu from remove kde till i upgrade ?
[20:16] <lordievader> zamaliphe: I don't think that an upgrade to 5.6 will solve your problem.
[20:16] <ikonia> you have no idea what the problem is or if 5.6 fixes it
[20:16] <ikonia> so you don't need anything
[20:17] <ikonia> 21:16 < zamaliphe> ikonia: i done that and changed that option allready
[20:17] <ikonia> zamaliphe: which option did you change
[20:17] <ikonia> which option - exactly did you change
[20:18] <zamaliphe> ikonia: i set nproc to 4096
[20:19] <ikonia> that's number of processes
[20:19] <ikonia> (you may have - I'm asking why you think that)
[20:19] <ikonia> why do you think you have a process limit issue ?
[20:19] <zamaliphe> ikonia: and nofile to 4096
[20:20] <ikonia> those seem like random changes to make
[20:20] <ikonia> unless you have a reason to change them that you've not explained
[21:05] <jazzycool> hey guys
[21:06] <jazzycool> How can I replace my exisiting xubuntu with kubuntu
[21:06] <jazzycool> i.e right now say I have xubuntu dual booted and its support is ending sometime in july so
[21:06] <lordievader> jazzycool: You could just install the kubuntu-desktop package.
[21:07] <jazzycool> well I know what to install but don't know how to install removing and replacing the old linux os
[21:07] <lordievader> jazzycool: You want to reinstall?
[21:07] <jazzycool> when I install through live should I keep the same /, swap area etc I had for xubuntu
[21:08] <jazzycool> kind of
[21:08] <jazzycool> yeah
[21:08] <lordievader> jazzycool: Do you have a backup of your important files?
[21:09] <jazzycool> yeah I have the backup and actually there aren't any imp files at all its just garbage files...lol so I dont even care
[21:09] <jazzycool> all I want is to put my kubuntu where my xubuntu exists right now
[21:09] <lordievader> jazzycool: Then you can just reinstall using a Kubuntu live-cd, be sure to mark the current partitions for formatting.
[21:10] <jazzycool> yeah well but for example my xubuntu has lets say 110gb of ext4 at root point do I keep the same partitions and just press install
[21:11] <lordievader> jazzycool: You can yes, but I'd mark the root-fs for formatting.
[21:11] <jazzycool> root-fs?
[21:11] <jazzycool> I m not so much know to linux so can you explain what you said...lol
[21:11] <lordievader> The partition that is mounted as /
[21:11] <jazzycool> known*
[21:11] <jazzycool> yeah
[21:12] <jazzycool> ok gotchaa
[21:12] <jazzycool> thanks brother
[21:13] <jazzycool> I actually searched google but didn't quite know how to word it so
[21:13] <jazzycool> thanks brother I appreciate your help
[21:14] <lordievader> jazzycool: No problem, good luck.
[21:14] <jazzycool> sure sir


[00:09] <txomon|home> hi,
[00:10] <txomon|home> can anyone have a look in bug 913929 and bug 485067
[00:10] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 913929 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "Get back recently closed tabs (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/913929
[00:10] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 485067 in linux (Ubuntu) "wireless card malfunction (affects: 1) (heat: 14)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/485067
[04:36] <Resistance> i released a patch for LP Bug #900620.  Its currently marked as Wishlist and Triaged.  Should I leave those as is, or should I wait for someone on the bugs team to change that?
[04:36] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 900620 in php5 (Debian) (and 1 other project) "Possible Bug: php5-fpm does not listen on a socket by default (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Unknown,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/900620
[04:36] <Resistance> also, can someone explain what a bug's "heat" stands for?
[04:36]  * Resistance has no clear definition for that

[08:03] <hggdh> good morning to all
[14:44] <bil21al> is there any irc channel of vuze developers ?
[14:44] <bil21al> vuze software
[14:45] <ts2> bil21al: see /msg alis help list
[14:46] <bil21al> ok
[14:49] <EvilResistance> can someone explain the triaging process, that is to say, after a bug is triaged, if someone submits a patch or a fix, what happens next?
[14:49]  * EvilResistance couldnt find said answers in the page that explains bug triaging
[14:53] <bdmurray> EvilResistance: the bug will go through the sponsorship process https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess#Sponsoring
[14:53] <EvilResistance> i see... the MOTUs mentioned that it'd go through the sponsorship process, but then my system died so i didnt get time to find the page you linked me :P
[14:54] <bil21al> bdmurray: do u know any vuze developer i get their channel but no answer by them and is it still developed by upstreamer or by our ubuntu people?
[14:54] <bdmurray> bil21al: no, I don't
[14:54] <bil21al> so i just upstraem its bug ?
[14:55] <bdmurray> I'd think so
[14:56] <EvilResistance> bdmurray:  was curious because of LP Bug #900620, which i submitted a patch for.
[14:56] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 900620 in php5 (Debian) (and 1 other project) "Possible Bug: php5-fpm does not listen on a socket by default (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Unknown,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/900620
[14:56] <EvilResistance> thanks
[14:57] <EvilResistance> also, can you explain what a bug's "heat" is?  i have yet to find a clear answer anywhere :/
[14:58] <micahg> EvilResistance: https://launchpad.net/+help-bugs/bug-heat.html
[14:58] <bdmurray> EvilResistance: I'd talk to Clint since he said he'd be happy to do it
[14:58] <EvilResistance> bdmurray:  he's on the rotation next monday for the sponsors
[14:58] <EvilResistance> i poked him via IRC
[14:59] <bdmurray> EvilResistance: okay, so I think it is headed in the right direction
[15:00] <EvilResistance> micahg:  out of curiosity, i take it sync request bugs arent quickly handled?  the one i filed for ZNC actually fixes a vulnerability where the software can be DoS'd, and  i forgot to mark it as a security vulnerability fix :/
[15:01] <micahg> EvilResistance: it's in a list for sponsorship and people get to it as they can, if it's marked as security, the security team will also take a look if needed
[15:02] <EvilResistance> considering i forgot to mark it as a security fix, should i mark it as a security fix (even though i already subscribed the ubuntu-sponsors team)?
[15:02] <EvilResistance> or should i just let it take its due course?
[15:03] <micahg> EvilResistance: sure, that's fine
[15:10] <bil21al> bdmurray:is it a ubuntu's problem or vuze ? guide me
[15:10] <bil21al> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/azureus/+bug/914145
[15:10] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 914145 in azureus (Ubuntu) "vuze won't start for second attempt, (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[15:12] <bil21al> any other new
[15:12] <bil21al> any other
[15:12] <bil21al> om26er:
[15:14] <om26er> thats prolly a problem with vuze
[15:14] <om26er> not ubuntu fault i would say o_O
[15:16] <bil21al> ok thanks om26er
[15:16] <om26er> yw
[16:08] <charlie-tca> Do we have a monthly and weekly bugsquad meeting both now? One is scheduled today and one tomorrow on the Fridge.
[16:12] <micahg> I thought the monthly ones were abolished
[16:13] <charlie-tca> from the Fridge:
[16:13] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu Bugsquad Monthly Meeting
[16:13] <charlie-tca> WhenTue, January 10, 18:00 – 19:00
[16:13] <charlie-tca> Which I will miss since I lose internet for several hours today
[16:15] <charlie-tca> micahg: posted to the calendar by yourself. Perhaps you should delete them?
[16:15] <charlie-tca> https://www.google.com/calendar/b/0/render?eid=YmxicnVpa2ZiOXNqa25hZ2NyY2Z2cTdpNjRfMjAxMjAxMTBUMTgwMDAwWiBqNXE4NW1taTZ1anZqdGlpNXMxbjNsaTVpb0Bn&ctz=Etc/GMT&pli=1&sf=true&output=xml
[16:15] <micahg> charlie-tca: orly? heh, let me fix that :)
[16:15] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[16:16] <micahg> if I can remember my credentials for that account :)
[16:16] <charlie-tca> always a consideration :)
[17:44] <Pici> w/60
[19:05] <Cas> a user upgrading from 10.04 to 12.04 has found that Deluge disappeared on him but fixes when asked to delete deluge config. should this still be an open bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/deluge/+bug/912059
[19:05] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 912059 in deluge (Ubuntu) "deluge not visible when opened (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Low,New]
[19:05] <Cas> and who is responsible Ubuntu or Deluge :)
[19:33] <roadmr> Cas: 12.04 is not released yet so I'd say this can be considered an open bug (migration of config data needs fixing)
[19:33] <roadmr> Cas: and I'd think it's Deluge's task to properly handle configs from an old version. I'd wager the same would happen if you had an old version of deluge and upgraded, all done from upstream's source
[19:36] <Cas> hmm normally it does handle upgrade from old versions
[19:36] <Cas> we would have seen this issue many times otherwise
[19:37] <Cas> anyway thanks ill leave it open then :)


[01:05] <micahg> fta: I seem to have trouble building sqlite3 for songbird
[13:03] <_Tsk_> Could any of you give the Thunderbird QA team insights on https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=528880 ?
[14:08] <asac> done
[14:09] <fta2> google maps is seriously broken with ff 3.7
[14:09] <fta2> works fine with 3.5
[14:10] <fta2> [reed], ^^
[14:10] <fta2> asac, ^^
[14:12] <asac> i am on 3.6 and 3.5 ... so cant confirm nor deny
[14:12] <fta2> create a path between 2 points, once you have the blue line, grab a point somewhere in it and move it to change the directions
[14:12] <asac> thats a use case i never even did ;)
[14:13] <fta2> it's very useful inside cities
[14:13] <fta2> if you want to avoid some roads
[14:14] <asac> i dont even see such a feature
[14:18] <fta2> asac, http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/gmap-ff3.7.ogv
[14:18] <fta2> the popup menu is annoying too
[14:18] <asac> ogra reported that chromium session restore does not work on killall  ... but works on instant poweroff or killlall -9 ... known?
[14:18] <asac> also doesnt work if you log out of X
[14:19]  * asac checks video
[14:19] <asac> ah
[14:19] <fta2> hmm, noone else complained about that, at least, not to me
[14:19] <asac> interestring
[14:20] <fta2> i have the popup issue only at work (64bit), not at home (32bit)
[14:20] <fta2> and the gmap issue on both
[14:21] <asac> great feature ;)
[14:21] <asac> nice
[14:21] <asac> walking ...
[14:21] <asac> ;)
[14:21] <asac> sorry for going off topic ;)
[14:21] <fta2> i asked a friend to test with 3.5, it's fine, and broken with 3.7 too
[14:21] <asac> but didnt know that google supports even walking through parks etc.
[14:22] <asac> yeah. let [reed] deal with that
[14:22] <asac> he is _the_ expert ;)
[14:22] <fta2> yep, i use it very often, for walking or riding
[14:27] <fta2> [reed], compare http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/gmap-ff3.7.ogv (broken) with http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/gmap-ff3.5.ogv (OK)
[14:27] <fta2> 3.5 doesn't have the popup issue btw
[14:51] <[reed]> ??
[14:51] <[reed]> expert at what?
[14:59] <fta2> damn ff3.7, it's crashing like hell now
[14:59] <fta2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/331752/
[14:59] <fta2> [reed], ^^
[15:00] <[reed]> do you have NoScript?
[15:01] <fta2> nope
[15:01] <[reed]> hmm
[15:01] <[reed]> I haven't crashed in a while
[15:01] <[reed]> been about two weeks or so
[15:01] <[reed]> since I last crashed
[15:01] <fta2> it happens when i click on the map link from the google homepage
[15:02] <[reed]> wfm
[15:02] <fta2> happens on a friends computer too
[15:02] <fta2> ok, moving to chromium
[15:02] <[reed]> hmm
[15:09] <fta2> 3 bugs in 1h, that's too much
[15:12] <[reed]> I'm not seeing this
[15:12] <[reed]> let me make sure I'm on latest nightly
[15:15] <fta2> the gmap bug is not new, i noticed it last week for sure
[15:15] <fta2> the crash seems new
[15:16] <fta2> the popup menu on gmap is really old, months old
[15:16] <[reed]> popup menu?
 [reed], compare http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/gmap-ff3.7.ogv (broken) with http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/gmap-ff3.5.ogv (OK)
[15:16] <[reed]> I guess I should watch your videos
[15:19] <[reed]> fta2: so, Google has been bad about user agent sniffing
[15:19] <[reed]> in the past
[15:19] <[reed]> what happens if you install user agent switcher or something like it and fake your user agent to be Firefox?
[15:19] <[reed]> on 3.7
[15:32] <jcastro> hi fta2
[15:32]  * jcastro also waves at [reed]
[15:32] <[reed]> jcastro: hiya :)
[15:49] <fta2> [reed], i've been using 3.7 since day 1, gmap was fine, it's a recent regression
[15:49] <fta2> jcastro, hey
[15:49] <[reed]> hmm
[15:49] <jcastro> fta2, I have a question
[15:49] <jcastro> fta2, you know how we have prism convinience packages? Like for facebook, etc.
[15:50] <jcastro> How easy is it to make ones for chromium?
[15:50] <fta2> it's trivial, just 1 desktop file per website
[15:50] <fta2> and an icon
[15:51] <jcastro> I am guessing the hard part is finding an icon
[15:51] <jcastro> that is freely licensed, etc.
[15:51] <fta2> yes, that was the blocker for prism
[15:51] <jcastro> so I could base one off a prism package right?
[15:52] <fta2> hmm, it's totally different
[15:52] <fta2> prism needs a .webapp file (a zip) with a bunch of stuff in it
[15:52] <jcastro> ah
[15:52] <fta2> css, js, json, icon, etc..
[15:52] <jcastro> is there an existing or example package I can base off of that you can think of?
[15:53] <fta2> with chromium, use the feature directly, it will create a desktop file on your desktop, that's what you have to package
[15:56] <fta2> by default, the desktop file refers to an icon in ~/.local/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/ created from the favicon
[15:56] <jcastro> does the shortcut refresh the icon on it's own as the user uses it?
[15:59] <fta2> no, it fetches the icon when you create the shortcut, then it's cached
[15:59] <jcastro> ok
[16:07] <fta2> i don't know if it's possible to specify some prefs like for prism (window size, url & status bars visible, etc)
[16:08] <fta2> for example, for a pastebin, you need the url bar to be able to copy/paste the link
[16:39] <fta2> jcastro, ^^, do you have enough info?
[16:39] <fta2> jcastro, btw, did you read my dent about chromium releases?
[16:43] <fta2> micahg, hi, just checked 3.6, the unicode bug is still there. but it seems gone in 3.7
[16:44] <fta2> the popup menu bug is in 3.6 too
[16:44] <micahg> fta2: it landed on 3.6 yesterday, so should be fixed in today's build
[16:44] <fta2> but gmap is fine, unlike 3.7
[16:44] <micahg> popup menu bug?
[16:44] <fta2> [reed], ^^
 <fta2> [reed], compare http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/gmap-ff3.7.ogv (broken) with http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/gmap-ff3.5.ogv (OK)
[16:44] <fta2> micahg, ^^
[16:46] <jcastro> fta2, I have enough info, I'll go read your dent now
[16:46] <micahg> fta2: any errors on the console?
[16:46] <micahg> FF error console
[16:48] <fta2> nothing relevant
[16:48] <jcastro> wow
[16:48] <jcastro> that tree is brilliant
[16:49] <fta2> jcastro, but that's a lot of releases, ~60 in 60 days outside of trunk
[16:49] <jcastro> yeah
[16:50] <jcastro> they did say once they get a stable release out that it should be more sane though right?
[16:50] <fta2> i had to write a script to draw that because i checked manually, and i quickly found out there was a lot more than i thought
[16:50] <jcastro> heh
[16:51] <jcastro> do they still not have symlinks pointing to the right build for the right channel?
[16:51] <fta2> i just remember that they said we're doomed to follow trunk in a never ending beta
[16:52] <fta2> nothing i can find. I'd like a bunch of links or a file pointing to what their 3 channels are currently shipping
[16:52] <fta2> that would be enough for me
[16:53] <jcastro> yeah
[16:53] <jcastro> just stable, beta, dev symlinks would do the trick
[16:53] <jcastro> I will ask them again after they ship beta
[16:53] <fta2> for this tree, i also have the exact rev-ids in their svn for each node
[16:53] <jcastro> I only saw 2 beta bugs left this morning
[17:09] <micahg> fta2: unfortunately, my attempts to fix songbird failed...I'm going to try a full download from svn without filtering anything out, I added sqlite, but it didn't seem to be enough
[17:11] <jdstrand_> asac, fta2: hi! I've got a pending merge request for an SRU for firefox-3.5. (lp:~jdstrand/firefox/firefox-452591+455792+447006+464016+473268)
[17:12] <jdstrand_> asac, fta2: it seems that it would perhaps be easier if I had commit access to ff35 and higher so I can adjust the AA profiles on my own. what do you think?
[17:12] <asac> i am fine with that. unless fta2 is uncomfortable
[17:14] <fta2> i'm fine
[17:14] <jdstrand_> \o/
[17:14] <asac> jdstrand_: keep changelog format as we do ;) :)
[17:14] <asac> fta2: can you add him?
[17:14]  * asac on call atm
[17:14] <asac> otherwise in 1h
[17:14] <jdstrand_> asac: sure thing
[17:18] <fta2> jdstrand_, done but it's weird, weren't you already member?
[17:18] <fta2> 2008-07-29
[17:19] <jdstrand_> fta2: I know I had access to the ubuntu-mozilla-security ppa...
[17:19] <jdstrand_> fta2: I didn't think I had commit access to bzr though-- I seem to remember trying at first
[17:20] <jdstrand_> and was told to use the merge review process
[17:21] <fta2> asking for review is always nice for those huge packages, but if it's just the apparmor thing, just go ahead, you're the guy ;)
[17:22] <jdstrand_> fta2: ok. I'll give it a go sometime soonish. if I have problems, I'll ask. thanks! :)
[17:24] <fta2> jdstrand_, would be nice if you could add the apparmor to the other ff branches, they have a lot of users too
[17:25] <fta2> i'm not sure chromium need that though, it's already running in a sandbox
[17:25] <jdstrand_> fta2: yeah-- that was part of the reason for the request. it'll become even more important as ff versions are EOLd
[17:25] <jdstrand_> fta2: not planning chromium atm
[17:26] <jdstrand_> though, I read (parts of) the security design for ChromeOS, and they plan to use a MAC for chromium, so we'll see (not planned for Lucid)
[17:28] <asac> jdstrand_: for now commit it to the .head branches. and lets check tomorrow for the stable branches wrt SRU/committing etc.
[17:28] <asac> e.g. all .head branches if yu want (ffox 3.7, 3.6, ...)
[17:28] <jdstrand_> ok
[17:38] <asac> jdstrand_: welcome to the team ;)
[17:39] <jdstrand_> asac: thanks!
[17:40] <micahg> asac: I wasn't sure if I was supposed to approve merge requests, so I left them for you
[17:41] <asac> micahg: ok. if you are comfortable you can do that ... use some reasonal self-judgement etc. ;)
[17:49] <micahg> asac: ok
[19:57] <fta> micahg, can you reproduce the 3 bugs i've mentioned earlier?
[19:58] <micahg> 3? I saw 2
[19:58] <micahg> let me try the gmaps
[19:59] <micahg> gmap wfm in 3.7
[19:59] <micahg> 3.7~a1~hg20091129r3527
[21:03] <fta> micahg, the bug is when you create a path between A and B, and try to modify it by dragging a point from the blue line
[21:03] <micahg> ah
[21:04] <fta> the 2nd is the popup menu on top of the gmap menu (as seen on my video)
[21:04] <fta> the 3rd is a crash in the js engine
[21:05] <micahg> I didn't see the one about the crash
 damn ff3.7, it's crashing like hell now
 http://paste.ubuntu.com/331752/
 it happens when i click on the map link from the google homepage
[21:07] <fta> so 3.7 suffers from 1, 2 and 3, 3.6 from 2 but not 1 (not sure for 3), and 3.5 looks fine
[21:08] <fta> and upstream doesn't care, as usual
[21:09] <micahg> fta: I'll see if I can reproduce tomnight
[21:09] <micahg> *tonight
[21:09] <fta> so /me moving to chromium, with responsive upstream
[21:10] <fta> they really care about linux and ubuntu, for a change
[21:12] <micahg> fta: upstream seems to selectively care if it affects everyone, not just ubuntu/amd64
[21:12] <fta> they care more for win & mac
[21:20] <fta> brb
[22:01] <[reed]> [15:08:31] <fta> and upstream doesn't care, as usual
[22:01] <[reed]> where are you getting that from?
[22:01] <[reed]> stop making stuff up
[22:01] <[reed]> I have yet to see you file a bug on the issue
[22:01] <[reed]> I'm just a volunteer like you
[22:01] <[reed]> I do what I can when I have time
[22:01] <[reed]> and I've been ridiculously busy lately due to end-of-semester stuff
[22:01] <[reed]> exams start Thursday for me
[22:01] <[reed]> so, I really don't want to hear whining if you're not going to file a bug
[22:02] <fta> if you want, i can quit this group
[22:03] <[reed]> that's your call, but I do want you to think about what you're saying... I may be a good contact with upstream in general, but I do have other obligations, just as you do
[22:03] <[reed]> I've repeatedly told you that filing a bug is the best way to get answers
[22:03] <[reed]> I'm more than happy to make sure a bug gets the attention it deserves
[22:03] <[reed]> but until that bug is filed, it's all just hearsay
[22:03] <[reed]> nothing concrete
[22:05] <fta> [reed], please stop subscribing me to moz bugs, i will remove myself from all i can
[22:05]  * [reed] rolls eyes
[22:05] <[reed]> as you wish
[22:06] <fta> or better, dev/null my alias
[22:06] <micahg> fta: you can jsut change your e-mail setting in bugzilla for no notifications
[22:07] <fta> most of my bugs went wontfix or ignored, so why should i even lose more time with that
[22:08] <micahg> fta: I'm saying, you can stop getting e-mail in one shot as opposed to unsubscribing from bugs
[22:09] <[reed]> fta: not really... I just looked, and here are the stats: 5 unresolved, 13 fixed, 4 invalid, 4 wontfix, 5 duplicates
[22:10] <fta> fixed from dupes
[22:10] <fta> but whatever, i no longer care
[22:13] <mconnor> fta: those stats aren't terrible, I'm not really sure what you would consider "caring" enough that you wouldn't make blanket accusations..
[22:15] <fta> mconnor, [reed]: ok, you're all perfect, i'm just evil and i blame without reasons
[22:15] <mconnor> fta: I'm not saying that
[22:15] <fta> micahg, do you have the infra to host the dailies?
[22:16] <mconnor> fta: we're not perfect, but it seems you're being somewhat unfair
[22:17] <jcastro> I think everyone needs to relax a bit. :D
[22:17] <mconnor> fta: though if you have examples of us being unfair, please let me know
[22:17] <micahg> fta: the boit?
[22:17] <micahg> *bot
[22:21] <mconnor> jcastro: I'm relaxed, albeit concerned, since I do try to get downstream concerns handled with minimal stress
[22:21] <jcastro> mconnor, you can always bring your concerns to me if you'd like, it's my job to get concerns looked at
[22:22] <mconnor> jcastro: it's sort of mine too ;)
[22:22] <jcastro> ah, perfect then
[22:22] <mconnor> jcastro: I don't have real concerns with downstream, but if upstream is behaving badly, I can help there!
[22:22] <micahg> fta: yes, I have a server I can host the bot on
[22:22] <jcastro> mconnor, likewise, except the opposite way
[22:23]  * mconnor remembers who jcastro is
[22:23] <mconnor> right right
[22:23] <jcastro> though I just got back from vacation so I am extra relaxed.
[22:23] <jcastro> it was a rough cycle up to that point, heh
[22:30] <[reed]> fta: mozilla bug 517737
[22:30] <[reed]> seems to only affect 3.7+
[22:30] <[reed]> you said you also see it in 3.6, though?
[22:31] <fta> no
[22:31] <fta> 3.6 has the popup menu bug
[22:31] <[reed]> a
[22:31] <[reed]> ah
[22:33] <[reed]> fta: popup menu bug == can't right click? or what exactly just so I'm clear
[22:34] <fta> [reed], it's in my video, in 3.5, right click brings to gmap overlay menu, in 3.6+, it brings both the gmap and ff menus
[22:34] <fta> -to+the
[22:35] <[reed]> ah
[22:53] <pwnguin> http://spot.livejournal.com/312320.html
[22:56] <pwnguin> is chromium actually in ubuntu?
[23:03] <fta> pwnguin, not officially, it's there https://edge.launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/ppa (but lp is broken right now)
[23:04] <fta> pwnguin, i've been packaging it long before spot even started
[23:04] <pwnguin> yea
[23:05] <pwnguin> i was just wondering if it had moved out of ppa
[23:05] <pwnguin> before i made a comment to that effect on his post
[23:06] <fta> not yet, but we're working on it: http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=28287


[12:27] <Commander-Crowe> Maximilian1st, I'm sure that you guys have logs
[12:28] <TheSheep> it would be nice to have more xfce-ish looks in feisty by default
[12:28] <pepik> ok went through network-admin with gk sudo, but its weird. wireless network not configured, so i click properties, tick enable, set a hexadecimal passwork, its already on DHCP, so I click OK and it still says not configured. if i go back into ath0 properties, its not enabled but the hex password is in there.
[12:28] <TheSheep> with centered large panel at the bottom and icons on the desktop
[12:28] <Maximilian1st> Commander-Crowe, you want to see these? Where to post?
[12:29] <TheSheep> kalikiana: lets for a pressure group! :)
[12:30] <TheSheep> form
[12:30] <Maximilian1st> xfce-look.org?
[12:30] <somerville32> I have the weirdest issue.
[12:30] <Commander-Crowe> Maximilian1st, pastebin.ca
[12:30] <somerville32> Top is telling me that I have several processes running
[12:30] <somerville32> lol
[12:31] <kalikiana> That's not unusual, someville32
[12:31] <somerville32> It says I have 8-9
[12:31] <pepik> wifi-radar is showing two networks.
[12:31] <somerville32> Thats weird.
[12:31] <maxamillion> somerville32: run htop ;)
[12:31] <TheSheep> somerville32: what does ps auxwww say?
[12:31] <somerville32> TheSheep: a lot
[12:32] <TheSheep> somerville32: looks like you have a lot of processes running :D
[12:32] <somerville32> Tasks: 104 total,   9 running,  94 sleeping,   0 stopped,   1 zombie
[12:39] <Maximilian1st> pepik, mine is not enabled neither but works.
[12:44] <Maximilian1st> Good night all.
[12:44] <Maximilian1st> It's getting late in good old europe.
[12:46] <somerville32> Hmmm
[12:46] <somerville32> ivman is using up 60% of my cpu cycles
[12:47] <somerville32> udevd is using up 20%
[12:47] <somerville32> I think... there is an issue
[12:47] <maxamillion> kill ivman!!!! :P
[12:47] <somerville32> Something is happening
[12:47] <somerville32> I think even spamming
[12:47] <somerville32> *event
[12:47] <somerville32> or something
[12:48] <maxamillion> process spam ... gotta love it
[12:48] <pepi1> anyone know wifi-radar here
[12:48] <maxamillion> what's up?
[12:48] <pepi1> ha thought you'd left.
[12:49] <pepi1> i thought i had the connection so i unplugged. wrong.
[12:49] <TheSheep> somerville32: see dmesg
[12:49] <maxamillion> pepi1: yeah, i did leave ... left work, came home ... signed back on :)
[12:49] <somerville32> haa!
[12:49] <somerville32> found it!!
[12:49] <maxamillion> somerville32: rock on ... what is it?
[12:50] <somerville32> [ 4401.891300]  Intel ISA PCIC probe: not found.
[12:50] <somerville32> [ 4402.039197]  Intel ISA PCIC probe: not found.
[12:50] <somerville32> [ 4402.195551]  Intel ISA PCIC probe: not found.
[12:50] <somerville32> [ 4402.379546]  Intel ISA PCIC probe: not found.
[12:50] <somerville32> [ 4402.524020]  Intel ISA PCIC probe: not found.
[12:50] <somerville32> Over and over and over and over and over
[12:50] <maxamillion> told you ... fork hemorage
[12:50] <pepi1> so wifi-radar: if you chose use WPA, it has a box where you enter the driver. on the homepage the sample screenshot shows "ipw" in this box. do you know what they are talking about?
[12:51] <maxamillion> ohhh, yeah ... not at all ... wpa is a pain and i normally only use wifi in coffee shops and on campus, both are unsecure
[12:53] <pepi1> cool app though, if only i knew what this wpa driver was.
[12:53] <maxamillion> !ipw
[12:53] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[12:53] <maxamillion> hrmmm
[12:53] <maxamillion> !info ipw
[12:54] <ubotu> Package ipw does not exist in any distro I know
[12:54] <pepi1> otherwise i have mode=auto, channel=auto, key= {wpa key}, security open, DHCP, no connection commands.
[12:55] <somerville32> maxamillion, Any idea how to fix it?
[12:56] <maxamillion> nope, i haven't tried wpa ....
[12:56] <maxamillion> :(
[12:57] <pepi1> ah well. somehow i got it to work in SuSE 10.1, didn't actually do anything special though. Just got lucky i guess.
[12:59] <maxamillion> possible ... not sure though, does it not mention anything about the wpa driver in the wiki docs anywhere?
[01:00] <pepi1> no, it does mention the wpa supplicant though.
[01:01] <maxamillion> yeah ... i have heard good things about wpa supplicant but i know nothing about it
[01:02] <pepi1> quick question - if i unplug the network cable i lose the connection. how do i reconnect it without logging in and out?
[01:04] <pepi1> also thanks for the help so far... just have a bad feeling i am about to crash something!
[01:05] <maxamillion> pepi1: sudo dhclient
[01:05] <maxamillion> pepi1: assuming you use dhcp
[01:06] <pepi1> yes i do.
[01:07] <pepi1> essid - it that the name of my box, like SpeedTouchXYZ123?
[01:07] <cellofellow> no, that's the wifi signal name.
[01:09] <pepi1> it wants me to "wpa_passphrase NetworkEssid" but i don't think i set an essid.
[01:10] <cellofellow> impossible. networks need an essid. some don't broadcast it, making the network "invisible" but it
[01:10] <cellofellow> still there
[01:12] <somerville32> Ok
[01:12] <somerville32> I think I found the issue :)
[01:12] <pepi1> where would i find it?
[01:12] <somerville32> maxamillion, Bug #74271
[01:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 74271 in hal "hald uses all of the cpu" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/74271
[01:12] <cellofellow> router configs should have the essid in there somewhere.
[01:13] <pepi1> i see ssid, but not essid
[01:13] <cellofellow> same thing in practice
[01:14] <pepi1> ok thanks
[01:14] <maxamillion> i gotta run
[01:15] <maxamillion> need food
[01:34] <Jester45> would anyone here that has a simi new hardrive run sudo hdparm -Tt /dev/hda (the hda might need to change)
[01:34] <Jester45> its only timing things it doent change anythin
[01:35] <TheSheep>  Timing cached reads:   598 MB in  2.00 seconds = 298.56 MB/sec
[01:35] <TheSheep>  Timing buffered disk reads:  168 MB in  3.01 seconds =  55.76 MB/sec
[01:35] <TheSheep> pretty slow :/
[01:36] <Jester45> thanks and whats about sudo hdparm /dev/hda
[01:36] <somerville32> :]
[01:36] <TheSheep>  IO_support   =  0 (default 16-bit)
[01:36] <TheSheep>  readonly     =  0 (off)
[01:36] <TheSheep>  readahead    = 256 (on)
[01:36] <TheSheep>  geometry     = 9729/255/63, sectors = 156301488, start = 0
[01:36] <Jester45> im just wondering about other driver compared to mine
[01:37] <TheSheep> hmm.. I should enable 32-bit support
[01:37] <somerville32> /dev/hda:
[01:37] <somerville32>  Timing cached reads:    72 MB in  2.07 seconds =  34.83 MB/sec
[01:37] <somerville32>  Timing buffered disk reads:   26 MB in  3.10 seconds =   8.38 MB/sec
[01:37] <Jester45> do it if you want
[01:37] <Jester45> wow somerville32 that cache is slow
[01:37] <somerville32> Thats my old HD
[01:37] <somerville32> This is my new HD:
[01:37] <somerville32> /dev/hdc:
[01:37] <somerville32>  Timing cached reads:    58 MB in  2.04 seconds =  28.47 MB/sec
[01:37] <somerville32>  Timing buffered disk reads:   26 MB in  3.11 seconds =   8.36 MB/sec
[01:37] <somerville32> lol
[01:37] <somerville32> Even slower
[01:38] <Jester45> own in the face
[01:38] <Jester45> lol
[01:38] <somerville32> Oh wait
[01:38] <TheSheep>  setting 32-bit IO_support flag to 1
[01:38] <TheSheep>  HDIO_SET_32BIT failed: Invalid argument
[01:38] <TheSheep> O.o
[01:38] <somerville32> Jester45: Those are most likely scewed
[01:38] <Jester45> how so
[01:38] <Jester45> useing lots of harddriver?
[01:38] <somerville32> Bug #74271
[01:38] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 74271 in hal "hald uses all of the cpu" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/74271
[01:38] <somerville32> I need to reboot
[01:39] <somerville32> hald is using up all my juice right now
[01:39] <cellofellow> hald? what you got plugged in?
[01:39] <somerville32> Look at the bug :P
[01:39] <Jester45>  Timing cached reads:   316 MB in  2.02 seconds = 156.56 MB/sec
[01:39] <Jester45>  Timing buffered disk reads:   52 MB in  3.10 seconds =  16.80 MB/sec for me
[01:39] <Jester45> i like teh cache not the real read time
[01:40] <cellofellow> k
[01:44] <cellofellow> grrr. I dunno what it is but whenever I close Firefox with a tab with a signed-in Google page, when I start up firefox again the cookie that saves the login has vanished and I HAVE to log in again. I'd rather it stayed logged in.
[01:45] <Jester45> maybe the first tim you tried you told ff to never save the cookie
[01:46] <Jester45> *time
[01:46] <cellofellow> no, I didn't do that. If I close the tab with Google in it, and then close firefox, next session, I get treated to my Personalized Homepage.
[01:47] <cellofellow> well, it is actually swiftfox if that makes any difference.
[01:47] <Jester45> might
[01:48] <cellofellow> I've taken to using the CheckGmail button in the system tray to launch swiftfox cause it provides the login data somehow.
[01:48] <cellofellow> I do have about 2 Gmail extensions and 2 or 3 Gmail greasemonkey scripts.
[01:49] <Jester45> TheSheep: you have to set 32bit with the -c3 flag
[01:49] <TheSheep> Jester45: thanks
[01:49] <Jester45> i think
[01:49] <TheSheep> setting 32-bit IO_support flag to 3 HDIO_SET_32BIT failed: Invalid argument
[01:49] <Jester45> what command are yo-u running
[01:50] <TheSheep> Jester45: maybe my drive/controller just doesn't support it
[01:50] <Jester45> sud hdparm -c3 /dev/drive ?
[01:50] <TheSheep> sheep@ghostwheel:~$ sudo hdparm -c4 /dev/sda
[01:50] <TheSheep> ouch, c3
[01:50] <Jester45> i think it has to be a ide driver
[01:51] <TheSheep> Jester45: it *is* an ide drive
[01:52] <Jester45> ok
[01:52] <TheSheep> Jester45: 2.6.20 kernels see them as sata
[01:52] <Jester45> o really
[01:52] <TheSheep> Jester45: they are planning to drop ide entirely
[01:52] <Jester45> no!!!
[01:52] <cellofellow> what? that's all I have.
[01:52] <Jester45> i them
[01:53] <Jester45> whats teh tranferspeed of a ide cable like 350mbs?
[01:53] <cellofellow> well, if all that means once I get a copy of that kernel is that devices will no longer have the hd prefix, I don't really care.
[01:53] <TheSheep> cellofellow: that's pretty much all from the user's standpoint
[01:55] <cellofellow> I know IDE is being fazed out, but I thought SATA support was to shaky to totally stand behind it like that.
[01:56] <TheSheep> cellofellow: it's more scsi
[01:56] <TheSheep> cellofellow: I think they are seen as scsi
[01:56] <cellofellow> I've noticed USB drives show as sd. so does that meen that they are seen as virtual scsi drives or something?
[01:57] <Jester45> ima brb gonna test whe only cli so i can get top speed
[01:58] <TheSheep> cellofellow: yes
[01:58] <cellofellow> ok
[02:00] <cellofellow> Yippeee. I love the GIMP.
[02:00] <cellofellow> I've used it since before linux. And OpenOffice and Firefox too.
[02:11] <cellofellow> Is there a way to use the Tango icons with Qt apps? They look so outlandish with the Crystal icons.
[02:15] <cellofellow> changing the symlink /usr/share/icons/default.kde from crystalsvg to Tango didn't work.
[02:25] <luckyone> my sound doesn't seem to be working... I think I have muted a device somehow when setting up my multimedia buttons on my keyboard
[02:25] <darrend_laptop> hi.  Why can I not use sudo to put values into /proc files?  example: "sudo echo 1 > /proc/whatever" fails with permission denied.  I have to "sudo su -" and then change the value to make it work
[02:25] <luckyone> anyone know how to help?
[02:25] <cellofellow> well, sudo is root and it isn't. Some of the fact that it
[02:25] <cellofellow> ''s you doing it remain.
[02:27] <darrend_laptop> ok, still not sure I understand.  If sudo allows me to assume root privs for that command, at what point do I lose those privs?
[02:28] <cellofellow> dunno
[02:28] <cellofellow> brb
[02:28] <cellofellow> bbl actually
[02:33] <grazie> luckyone: any sound yet?
[02:38] <luckyone> grazie: not yet, going through the forum post for sound problems
[02:38] <luckyone> it has worked before, it just doesn't seem to want to right now
[02:39] <luckyone> I think I muted something, but alsamixer says that everything is cool
[02:40] <grazie> if mixer looks good dunno what else to suggest
[02:43] <cellofellow> bye bye
[02:45] <Shaezsche> is there a cpu clock frequency control app for xubuntu?
[02:45] <Shaezsche> like klaptop for kde, and the powernowd menu thing for gnome
[02:56] <pygi> janny around?
[02:56] <somerville32> Who is janny?
[02:56] <pygi> xD
[03:09] <archangelpetro> could anyone suggest a solution?  http://rafb.net/p/RUqIwC52.html  im not sure what's wrong here.
[03:11] <somerville32> "do-not-directly-run-secondlife-bin" <-- hint
[03:11] <somerville32> and it seems you're missing a required library
[03:12] <archangelpetro> hmm and as is shown by the ls output.. the library is there.
[03:12] <archangelpetro> and could you possibly suggest another wya of running it?
[03:13] <somerville32> Did you read README-linux.txt?
[03:14] <archangelpetro> "Run ./secondlife from the installation directory to start Second Life."
[03:17] <somerville32> Hmm
[03:18] <archangelpetro> i know, a bit odd
[03:21] <archangelpetro> i am on amd64, but they library is located in /lib, is there a 32bit version of this library that i can install to /usr/lib32
[03:23] <somerville32> lol
[03:23] <somerville32> Does the client support amd64?
[03:23] <somerville32> You might have to recompile for amd64
[03:26] <archangelpetro> well no, but it's worked with amd64 if u use the 32bit libraries.. actually i think ive worked out the problem
[03:26] <archangelpetro> the library libuuid.so.1  is in /lib   but most of the libraries i seem to be using (and the 32 bit ones) are in /usr/lib and /usr/lib32 respectively
[03:27] <archangelpetro> so.. i suppose i need to find a package for 32bit version of this library
[04:05] <yotux> can anyone offer me some assistance with setting up iwconfig or a good howto site
[04:06] <TheSheep> !wifi
[04:06] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[04:07] <yotux> Thankz
[04:17] <maxamillion> !seen vidd
[04:18] <somerville32> maxamillion, see -devel
[04:20] <maxamillion> somerville32: rgr
[04:29] <somerville32> Yeah!
[04:29] <somerville32> I fixed it :)
[04:30] <Jester45> w00t
[04:30] <Jester45> what you fix?
[04:30] <somerville32> PMCIA issue that was causing hald to eat up all my cpu and eventually cause it to crash and burn
[04:31] <Jester45> you post it on sourceforge?
[04:32] <Jester45> pr what ever that was
[04:32] <Jester45> the bug thingly
[04:33] <somerville32> lol
[04:33] <somerville32> Yes
[04:33] <somerville32> The bug was already there
[04:33] <Jester45> i know
[04:33] <Jester45> what about how to fix it
[04:33] <somerville32> Already there
[04:33] <Jester45> o
[04:33] <somerville32> I followed the instructions in one of the comments
[04:33] <Jester45> so YOU didnt fix
[04:34] <somerville32> I fixed my problem, yes
[04:34] <somerville32> I didn't come up with the solution though
[04:34] <Jester45> you had me beleiving that you did somthing
[04:34] <Jester45> well
[04:34] <Jester45> i ran about every hdparm options
[04:34] <Jester45> testes 4 times
[04:35] <Jester45> loged the test
[04:35] <somerville32> oh
[04:35] <somerville32> I should run that again
[04:35] <Jester45> typed it all in the forums
[04:35] <Jester45> figured the adverage
[04:35] <Jester45> and then posted it and it ever showed up
[04:35] <Jester45> my best options are
[04:36] <Jester45> -d1 -c1 -a24 -u1 -m16 -A1
[04:36] <Jester45> gave me a top of
[04:36] <somerville32> Woot
[04:36] <somerville32> I got a much better result now
[04:36] <Jester45> 240ish MB/s cache
[04:36] <somerville32> Mine isn't that fast
[04:36] <Jester45> 30ish mb/s disk read
[04:36] <somerville32> I got an old computer
[04:36] <Jester45> me to
[04:36] <Jester45> untill spring
[04:36] <Jester45> im still gonna use this
[04:37] <Jester45> i orded more ram its soming on the 11th
[04:37] <somerville32> I just got more random around Christmas time
[04:37] <somerville32> Two 128mb sticks to replace my two 64mb sticks
[04:37] <Jester45> how much now?
[04:37] <Jester45> yes i got a 64 an 128 new 128 coming
[04:37] <somerville32> 128+128==256
[04:37] <Jester45> and after that i got a 1ghz celeron coming
[04:38] <Jester45> then i should be set
[04:38] <Jester45> can upgrade it much mor
[04:38] <Jester45> have to get new mobo for that
[04:39] <Jester45> http://www.hardwareforums.com/these-cpus-compatible-16365/ is my tread about it
[04:39] <Jester45> that site is great
[04:40] <somerville32> :)
[04:40] <Jester45> plus they have cool games
[04:40] <Jester45> think you have to be member to play
[04:41] <somerville32> lol
[04:42] <Jester45> i got a hight score a long time ago and its still there there wasa bug with my flash verson that made the game ez
[04:43] <Jester45> it was game that you smash flys with chop sticks
[04:43] <Jester45> when the flies start they stop for s sec then start flying
[04:43] <Jester45> when with my flash they stoped for more than a second :0
[04:43] <Jester45> so i was killing them b4 they could move
[05:17] <Jester45> im out
[05:24] <Ro_Vai> hello i'm new to xubuntu is there a way to change the color of the top panel?
[05:26] <Ro_Vai> ... easier question how do i change the xubuntu color scheme
[05:26] <somerville32> Applications > Settings > User Interface Settings
[05:27] <Ro_Vai> thanks
[05:35] <atarinox> is there a task manager installed in xubuntu by default? and where would i find it?
[05:36] <TheSheep> atarinox: system->process manager
[05:37] <atarinox> ahhh thank you
[05:41] <cellofellow> htop rocks
[05:43] <Ro_Vai> how do i check what version of xubuntu i'm using?
[05:44] <somerville32> Ro_Vai: Look in /etc/issue
[05:45] <Jester45> how can you make the launcher button run sudo commands?
[05:45] <TheSheep> Jester45: use gksudo
[05:46] <Jester45> no go
[05:46] <Jester45> i tring ot get sudo hdparm -Y /dev/hda to run
[05:47] <cellofellow> gksudo Terminal something
[05:49] <Jester45> !gksudo
[05:49] <ubotu> If you need to run graphical applications as root, use gksudo, as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Avoid ever using "sudo <GUI-application>"
[05:49] <Jester45> im not trying to run a gui app
[05:49] <cellofellow> you can do sudo cli-app and check the terminal option
[05:51] <Jester45> oo
[05:51] <Jester45> over looked that
[05:51] <Jester45> now how does it know my pass
[05:51] <cellofellow> sudo-caching
[05:51] <Jester45> so i have to sudo somthing first
[05:52] <cellofellow> you could write a script, without sudo in it, set it to owned by root and setuid. Just make sure no one can write to it or you have an easy way to root you.
[05:53] <Jester45> to hard
[05:54] <Jester45> thanks tho
[05:54] <cellofellow> just write the script with that command, and then do sudo chown root myscript.sh, sudo chmod 4555 myscript.sh
[05:54] <cellofellow> :[
[05:58] <Ro_Vai> is xubuntu 7.04 fairly stable yet?
[05:59] <somerville32> Meh
[05:59] <somerville32> :)
[05:59] <somerville32> I'm on 7.04 right now
[05:59] <somerville32> There are still some upgrade issues
[06:00] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It hasn't even hit feature freeze yet.
[06:02] <somerville32> Yeah, there are updates to download every day
[06:02] <Ro_Vai> ya I just upgraded recently
[06:03] <Ro_Vai> i'm thinking of installing beryl
[11:19] <therapy> does anyone in here know how to make a my laptop go into suspend mode when the lid is closed? (instead of blank screen)
[11:19] <therapy> btw i'm using xubuntu edgy
[01:44] <stift> hi
[01:44] <stift> someone help me to put vnc on an xubuntu
[01:55] <stift2> what name has the winodwmanager of xubuntu
[01:55] <stift2> gdm?
[01:56] <gabkdlly> stift2: I believe that would be xfwm4
[01:56] <PuMpErNiCkLe> The window manager is xfwm.  gdm is a display manager.
[01:58] <stift2> were can i see it
[02:02] <gabkdlly> stift2: doing "which xfwm4" returns "/usr/bin/xfwm4" on my system.
[02:14] <Zeqfreed> hey guys
[02:24] <stift2> i dont get it runing
[02:28] <gabkdll1> stift2: if you are just trying to run X programs on a remote machine, you could do "ssh -X user@host [command] "
[02:29] <stift2> no.. i just want to setup a xubuntu on a old machine for someone who dont likes windows :)
[02:30] <stift2> but that person dont knows toomuch about linux
[02:31] <stift2> so i will probably need vnc to show him how things go on
[02:32] <gabkdll1> ah, ok. understand. Sorry, I have no experience with vnc myself.
[02:41] <AL89> hello guys. which programm would you recommend to rip my cds to .mp3 files?
[02:45] <gabkdll1> AL89: sound-juicer is the default for ubuntu
[02:46] <AL89> i just downloaded ripperX
[02:46] <AL89> is it any good?
[02:46] <gabkdll1> although, id does not handle mp3s by default
[02:47] <gabkdll1> I never used ripperX myself
[02:47] <AL89> okay
[03:08] <Gosty> Hi can somebody recommend me java compiler?
[04:10] <AL89> gabkdll1, ripperx is quite good. easy to handle and configure.
[04:53] <nofxx> hi... when I close the laptop lid my xubuntu try to hibernate, but it comes back stay on BUT STOP THE CPU COOLER..... now I dont know witch is worse: burn my lap or go back to windows
[04:53] <nofxx> please help.. xD
[06:03] <dobbbob> is there an ap for xubuntu that lets me control clock frequency? and set defaults for ac and battery?
[07:28] <age6racer> hey all, quick question... I am running Xubuntu on a PIII 600mhz laptop with 128mb Ram, will installing Wine slow the system down much? or will it just be when I run windows apps?
[07:32] <Commander-Crowe> age6racer if you can add a little more ram you should be fine
[07:32] <TheSheep> age6racer: no, it will just be used for running windows apps -- unless you want to use a daemonized version of wine
[07:32] <TheSheep> age6racer: you can always remove the wine daemon from startup
[07:37] <age6racer> ok thanks guys
[07:37] <age6racer> I'm planning to add some more ram (take it upto 320mb)
[08:04] <Rageagainstthis> is there a launcher function in xubuntu like ubuntu?
[08:08] <ormiret> Rageagainstthis: what do you mean by launcher? Something to start applications?
[08:08] <Rageagainstthis> or a series of commands in terminal
[08:09] <starvingstudent> I'm a bit confused. I was trying to install VMware through the Add/Remove Applications...anyways it didn't complete and I now get an error.
[08:10] <Rageagainstthis> vmware player or server?
[08:11] <starvingstudent> player
[08:11] <Rageagainstthis> how far into the install did you get?
[08:11] <starvingstudent> I think it installed 3 of the 4 sections.
[08:11] <Rageagainstthis> are you using 6.06?
[08:11] <starvingstudent> Unsure to be honest. Went away and came back ~.~
[08:11] <starvingstudent> Nah. I'm using 6.10 edgy
[08:12] <Rageagainstthis> interesting, what kind of error do you get?
[08:12] <starvingstudent> "E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. "
[08:12] <starvingstudent> Thats a bit confusing. Care to explain? I'd really like to know what that means o.0
[08:13] <Rageagainstthis> i have never run into that error before actually.  Ive always used vmware server myself
[08:14] <starvingstudent> Hrmmm.
[08:14] <Rageagainstthis> well i suppose you can manually run the .deb package with dpkg
[08:14] <starvingstudent> I guess I'll have to.
[08:14] <Rageagainstthis> or you can try automatix2 it has vmwareplayer on there
[08:14] <starvingstudent> hrmmm
[08:16] <starvingstudent> I tried to run dpkg --configure a in a terminal and it keeps saying "requires superuser privilege" I need to be logged in as root? :p
[08:16] <Devil_Kin> hey folks, did anything break with one of the recent updates to edgy xubuntu? even xfce-mcs-manager crashes with a segfault
[08:16] <Rageagainstthis> sudo yes
[08:21] <Devil_Kin> nm, seems xfce4-mcs-plugins got b0rked
[08:21] <starvingstudent> lol...man...I think I should just stick to the search function on the forums. :p
[08:55] <natira> hi
[08:55] <natira> de3sperate\
[08:55] <natira> :-(
[08:55] <natira> WTF!!
[08:55] <natira> i ain't got no borders
[08:56] <natira> can't move windows around
[08:56] <natira> I go to setting and click window manager and I get an error
[08:57] <natira> "These settings cannot work with your current window manager (unknown)
[08:57] <maxamillion> natira: alt+f2 ... put "xfwm4" in the run dialogue that will pop up and click 'run'
[08:57] <TheSheep> natira: press alt+ctrl+f1
[08:57] <natira> also windows manger tweaks aaint working
[08:58] <TheSheep> natira: then log in there
[08:58] <TheSheep> natira: type 'export DISPLAY=:0'
[08:58] <TheSheep> natira: and then xfwm4
[09:02] <natiro> hi
[09:02] <natiro> ok this all weird
[09:03] <natiro> no w I am in gnome and backspace isnt working
[09:03] <TheSheep> natira: nowehre, or only in terminal?
[09:03] <natiro> and gnome terminal doesn't work
[09:03] <natiro> I've tried on ly on terminal
[09:04] <natiro> what the hell happened?
[09:04] <TheSheep> I don't know about gnome terminal, but Terminal has an option on what should backspace do, in the preferences
[09:04] <natiro> by the way I am fixin... nothing to do with that it was working fine with xubuntu
[09:05] <natiro> now how come I sitll have gnome? I thought IU;'ve remove it all
[09:05] <TheSheep> natira: let me get my tea to do a little auguring :)
[09:05] <natiro> and is there a waty to fix Xubuntu?
[09:05] <TheSheep> natira: what's broken?
[09:05] <natiro> eveyrything is working fine except I don';t have border therefore unable to move windows around
[09:05] <TheSheep> natira: ah, your xfwm4 didn't start
[09:06] <TheSheep> natira: you need to run it somehow and save the session on logout
[09:06] <natiro> the freaking border then just a few seconds ago someone told me to to do ctrl+alt+f1 I dpon't konw why but I did start x and I am ein Gnome now
[09:06] <TheSheep> natira: make sure it is installed
[09:06] <natiro> ohhh... I think the hateful daughetr of my friend th did this shieet
[09:06] <TheSheep> natira: I old you to press alt+ctrlf1, to swithc to text terminal so that you can run xfwm4 from there
[09:07] <natiro> now I ,,... and you ;-) got to fix this ehshieeat
[09:07] <natiro> ohh I got it... no for running startx
[09:07] <natiro> ROFL!!!
[09:07] <natiro> ok so I kill X now?
[09:07] <natiro> start that one
[09:07] <natiro> and go back to where if F1 is the fisr thing
[09:09] <TheSheep> I don't follow you :?
[09:12] <natira> hi
[09:12] <natira> I am still in here lol
[09:12] <natira> ok
[09:12] <natira> I don
[09:12] <natira> 't have border at all
[09:13] <natira> and when i try to type in window manager in the settings tells me cannot be used
[09:13] <natira> and Window Manager Tweaks
[09:13] <natira> so I am screw
[09:13] <TheSheep> natira: you have to run xfwm4, didn't you try that?
[09:13] <natira> says this window cannot work with your current window manager
[09:13] <natira> i did
[09:13] <TheSheep> natira: the wm settings and tweaks won't work if xfwm4 is not running
[09:14] <natira> gives me an error couln't start some GTK thing
[09:14] <TheSheep> natira: then that's what's broken
[09:14] <natira> ok let me see again
[09:14] <natira> (xfwm4:5591): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[09:15] <natira> what the heck
[09:15] <TheSheep> natira: type 'export DISPLAY=:0'
[09:15] <TheSheep> natira: and try again
[09:16] <natira> did not work
[09:16] <TheSheep> natira: what did it say?
[09:16] <natira> man f@$% gnome didn't uninstall completeley
[09:16] <natira> (xfwm4:5595): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[09:17] <natira> yo man... all this is his daughter's fault
[09:17] <natira> :-(
[09:17] <natira> 'cause she says she hates linux
[09:17] <natira> but her father loves it
[09:18] <somerville32> natira: What version of Xubuntu are you using?
[09:18] <natira> I've gotta open a new user for her to screw up as much as she wants without affecting her father's account
[09:18] <natira> how can I find out?
[09:18] <somerville32> cat /etc/issue
[09:19] <natira> 'cause I can't get to the menus without ending this conversation
[09:19] <natira> Ubuntu 6.10 \n \l
[09:20] <natira> i have the suspicion that some gnome shit is getting on the way. for instance how come I can run Gnome windows?
[09:20] <somerville32> do:
[09:21] <somerville32> sudo apt-get -f install
[09:21] <natira> install what?
[09:22] <natira> I did remove gnome-desktop so I do'nt konw why the Gnome WM still there
[09:22] <natira> anyone?
[09:23] <somerville32> ...
[09:23] <somerville32> Are you at the command line?
[09:23] <natira> somerville32: ok doing the commmand that you told me
[09:23] <natira> yeah on the other tab
[09:23] <natira> and did what you've told me
[09:23] <natira> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 53 not upgraded.
[09:24] <somerville32> What do you mean by other tab?
[09:24] <natira> on the terminal
[09:25] <somerville32> Ok
[09:25] <natira> got two windows
[09:25] <natira> now?
[09:25] <natira> :-(
[09:25] <somerville32> Are you running Gnome or Xfce4 right now?
[09:25] <natira> Xfce4 now without Windows Manager, it wont' start
[09:25] <natira> and i wanna get rid of Gnome
[09:25] <natira> is giving me issues
[09:26] <natira> how do i get rid of evolution?
[09:27] <natira> what about my xfce4 window manager?
[09:27] <natira> what can I do to restore it?
[09:28] <Zambezi> Is it beryl in Xubuntu Edgy?
[09:28] <natira> naaa
[09:28] <natira> plain Xubuntu
[09:28] <natira> yaiks!
[09:28] <natira> is evolution part of Xubuntu?
[09:28] <natira> I just removed it
[09:29] <Zambezi> natira, There might be a dependiec. Did you check that?
[09:29] <natira> nope
[09:30] <Zambezi> natira, You're pretty new at Linux right?
[09:30] <natira> mmm... new to @#$@#$ kuxubuntu
[09:30] <natira> i ran GEntoo
[09:30] <natira> run
[09:30] <natira> no clue about what the heck is going on in here
[09:31] <Zambezi> natira, I'm thinking here.
[09:31] <natira> thanks
[09:31] <Zambezi> natira, I'm trying to help.
[09:31] <somerville32> natira, I recommend reinstalling. You can just remove random packages.  I figured evolution wasn't part of xubuntu
[09:32] <natira> isn't it?
[09:33] <natira> god
[09:33] <somerville32> Natira: It isn't
[09:33] <Zambezi> somerville32, I accidently remove packages that the kernel needed. But I have all the stuffs to a new computer, but I have installed everything yet. I might give Xfce another chance now. Is it Beryl in Edgy Eft?
[09:34] <somerville32> Zambezi, I'm not sure what you mean.
[09:34] <natira> ok how what should be my NEXT STEP
[09:34] <natira> for sanities sake
[09:34] <Zambezi> somerville32, I liked Xubuntu, but its memoryleak isn't that hot.
[09:34] <somerville32> Zambezi: Edgy doesn't have that many memory leaks. Feisty is fine.
[09:35] <Soir> memory leak?
[09:36] <Zambezi> somerville32, I messed up my installation too. I wasn't careful enough and didn't read which packages I also erased. You know, you delete one and apt-get wants too delete more packages. And I kind of removed an important packages, so if I reboot I won't be able to start the computer. :-)
[09:37] <natira> please
[09:37] <Zambezi> somerville32, But since I got a new computer, it doesn't matter. I just have to bukild it.
[09:37] <natira> how can i fix xubuntu!!
[09:37] <natira> can I reinstall xfwm?
[09:37] <Zambezi> natira, At first, you need patient.
[09:38] <natira> ok
[09:38] <natira> but I mean Xfc4 is running fine
[09:38] <natira> it's only that I don't have the borders
[09:38] <Zambezi> somerville32, Do you run Xubuntu Feisty?
[09:39] <somerville32> Yup
[09:39] <natira> what's the package for xfwm??
[09:39] <natira> may I reisntall it?
[09:39] <natira> yup to me?
[09:39] <somerville32> nope
[09:40] <somerville32> Zamezi: Ok, just download the ISO and install :)
[09:40] <somerville32> natira: Are you _sure_ you are running Xfce4?
[09:40] <somerville32> At the login screen, did you click sessions and then xfce4?
[09:40] <somerville32> What are you trying to accomplish?
[09:40] <natira> yes
[09:41] <natira> ok I will log in again 'cause it was my cluelesslesslesslesslessless that logged int
[09:41] <natira> *in
[09:43] <natira> ok I am loggin in again
[09:43] <somerville32> ...
[09:55] <Jenesis> hi
[09:55] <somerville32> Hi :)
[09:56] <maxamillion> hello
[09:56] <Jenesis> I want a aplicattion to record video from my webcam and save it in avi or mpg format
[09:56] <Jenesis> can you give me advice?
[09:58] <Jenesis> I'm using vlc but the archives seems to be no compatible whith youtube
[09:58] <Jenesis> sorry my english is not very good
[10:01] <somerville32> Hmmm
[10:02] <Jenesis> a good tuto of vlc will do too.
[10:02] <Jenesis> the vlc page is a little caothic
[10:06] <Jenesis> Of course I can record my videos directly in youtube, download them with unplug and convert them with ffmpeg... but.. I'd prefer  to use a linux aplicattion.
[10:07] <maxamillion> Jenesis: http://www.kinodv.org/article/static/2 ... try that application .. its in the repositories and you can install it with apt-get, aptitude, or synaptic
[10:07] <Jenesis> thanks :)
[10:10] <maxamillion> Jenesis: no problem :)
[10:14] <atarinox> can somebody recommend some good software for receiving podcasts?
[10:17] <Jenesis> iPodder
[10:17] <Jenesis>  iPodder : iPodder is a GUI-driven podcast receiver, allowing users to download and listen to Internet audio programs.
[10:18] <somerville32> !iPodder
[10:18] <Jenesis> :)
[10:18] <somerville32> Hmm...
[10:18] <somerville32> Or yeah
[10:18] <somerville32> lol
[10:18] <somerville32> ubotu
[10:18] <maxamillion> :)
[10:19] <maxamillion> ubotu: hello?
[10:19] <ubotu> hello: The classic greeting, and a good example. In component main, is optional. Version 2.1.1-4 (edgy), package size 47 kB, installed size 472 kB
[10:19] <maxamillion> bah!
[10:19] <maxamillion> ubotu: iPodder?
[10:19] <maxamillion> ermmm...
[10:19] <somerville32> !info iPodder
[10:19] <ubotu> ipodder: a podcast receiver. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.1.9-5 (edgy), package size 640 kB, installed size 2648 kB
[10:19] <atarinox> is it relatively lightweight?
[10:21] <somerville32> Not sure :]
[10:28] <somerville32> Where is kalikiana?
[10:29] <maxamillion> !seen kalikiana
[10:29] <ubotu> I last saw kalikiana<EMAIL_ADDRESS>8h 54m 36s ago, quiting: ""And Jesus said unto John: 'Come forth, I will give you eternal life!'. Unfortunately, John came fifth... he won a toaster.""
[10:29] <Jenesis> it's a bot !!
[10:29] <Jenesis> I like bots !!
[10:29] <maxamillion> Jenesis: yes ... yes it is :) ... ubotu and Ubugtu are bots
[10:29] <Jenesis> :D
[10:30] <Jenesis> hi ubotu
[10:31] <Jenesis> it does not answer?
[10:33] <somerville32> It isn't smart
[10:33] <somerville32> It isn't for chatting with
[10:33] <Jenesis> ops
[10:34] <Jenesis> :)
[10:34] <Jenesis> kino no supports input from v4l I'm afraid...
[10:35] <Jenesis> just from an arhive
[10:35] <Jenesis> thanks anyway :)
[10:36] <Jenesis> I have to go Bye !
[11:00] <PirateHead> xubuntu Edgy just somehow cut power to my USB ports
[11:00] <PirateHead> how do I turn them back on?
[11:02] <somerville32> :S
[11:02] <somerville32> Sounds like a hardware issue to me
[11:10] <Jester45> how can i cheack what mother board i have without opening the computer and looking becuase that didnt work
[11:14] <somerville32> You can't
[11:14] <somerville32> Open it up again
[11:14] <somerville32> There should be a model number on it
[11:14] <Jester45> yes i tried that but cant find anything about it
[11:16] <Jester45> maybe i read it wrong becuase it was dime light and small text
[11:17] <Jester45> brb
[12:16] <RememberPOL> So... if I shut down my laptop while the AC charging cable is plugged in, it hangs on halt (no matter if APCI is disabled)... But if I shut down _without_ the AC charging cable plugged in, it completely shuts down just fine. Any ideas why this might be so?


[00:00] <ochosi> sweet
[00:00] <ochosi> in -staging?
[00:02] <Unit193> Unless I did something wrong...
[00:02] <ochosi> :)
[00:02]  * ochosi checks
[00:08] <ochosi> hmm, no gmb here: https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/xubuntu-staging
[00:09] <knome> (:
[00:10] <Unit193> Oh right, because we like the word 'xubuntu' so much, we repeat it.
[00:12] <ochosi> hehe
[00:12] <ochosi> good point, but a bit late in the game to change the name of the PPA just for the sake of it
[00:12] <Unit193> Take 2.
[00:14] <knome> ochosi, should ~xubuntu-project-lead own ~xubuntu-bugs ?
[00:15] <knome> ochosi, and ~xubuntu-users
[00:15] <ochosi> hm, good question
[00:15] <ochosi> who owns those teams now?
[00:15] <knome> i think bugs yes, users is a better question
[00:15] <knome> ~xubuntu-team
[00:15] <ochosi> yeah, i'd tend to agree
[00:15] <ochosi> users should be "free-er"
[00:15] <knome> they both have open membership
[00:16] <ochosi> yeah, i know, then again ownership might send the wrong signal
[00:16] <knome> xpl now owns bugs
[00:16] <ochosi> then again, i don't know if ppl really notice/care
[00:16] <knome> the logical argument is that the xpl should "own" all xubuntu teams
[00:16] <ochosi> yeah
[00:16] <knome> if not, then why should?
[00:17] <knome> there is no ~xubuntu-community
[00:17] <ochosi> true that
[00:17] <knome> which would be sematically nice, but technically so waste of time...
[00:17] <ochosi> agreed
[00:17] <knome> because that would have need to be owned by xpl..
[00:18] <knome> and that's not a right signal either ;)
[00:19] <ochosi> heh
[00:19] <knome> so should xpl just own users directly?
[00:19] <knome> it's a technical thing anyway
[00:21] <knome> ok, i guess another question
[00:21] <knome> does xpl need to be the member in all the teams?
[00:21] <knome> i think there was some argument behind that, but...
[00:21] <knome> https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-project-lead/+participation
[00:21] <knome> that looks stupid (the first row)
[00:22] <knome> that's just wrong; the fact that the xpl team owns that team should not make it a member of other teams via the teams he owns
[00:22] <knome> and; owner should always be able to touch and do everything on the team anyway
[00:23] <ochosi> yeah
[00:23] <knome> here's the thing: i can't do *that* :)
[00:24] <knome> and a more weird thought
[00:24] <knome> maybe the xpl team could/should be "Xubuntu community managers"
[00:24] <ochosi> xpl team?
[00:25] <knome> because the argument that via that, we have access to all teams is vanished if the sole member disappears...
[00:25] <knome> https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-project-lead
[00:25] <knome> that
[00:25] <knome> but that's not something to answer now
[00:25] <knome> or decide
[00:25] <Unit193> Progress on 1270486, that's good.
[00:25] <knome> bug 1270486
[00:25] <knome> hmmh
[00:26] <knome> aand one more thought: one team where XPL probably *should* be a member in is ~xubuntu-release
[00:27] <ochosi> Unit193: yeah, that looks like that one is going to get fixed, since trevinho already wrote a patch and larsu approved
[00:28] <Unit193> So now I'll finally know the difference between  'quit' and 'quit'!
[00:28] <ochosi> :D
[00:29] <knome> Unit193, isn't that obvious?
[00:29] <Unit193> It is if you use sed on the glade file.
[00:29] <knome> ;)
[00:30] <ochosi> Unit193: yay, shiny new gmb!
[00:30] <ochosi> and it seems that sucky crash when closing it is gone
[00:30] <Unit193> Is it shiny?
[00:30] <Unit193> \o/
[00:30] <ochosi> nah, almost no visible diff, but that fix is good
[00:30]  * Unit193 fixed it. :---3
[00:30] <ochosi> oh well, and equalizer presets
[00:30] <ochosi> that is quite awesome
[00:31] <ochosi> thanks a bunch, Unit193
[00:31] <Unit193> Of course.
[00:32] <ochosi> i'll start testing it now and report back
[00:32] <Unit193> Prepped it for Debian too, but didn't push into the pkg-multimedia repo. :P
[00:33] <ochosi> awesome
[00:33] <ochosi> never thought that one would even get close to making it into 15.04
[00:33] <ochosi> but with the regression (close-crash) we have a chance of getting it in i guess
[00:43] <Unit193> (https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/users/unit193-guest/gmusicbrowser.git)  Someone will have to FFe it, of course.  And the sooner the better.
[00:45] <jjfrv8> knome, just did some installs of today's image and noticed a couple of minor issues with the slideshow
[00:46] <jjfrv8> for one thing, at least on my laptop, the slides are too big for the window and there are vertical and horizontal scrollbars
[00:47] <knome> jjfrv8, again? oh my...
[00:48] <jjfrv8> not sure about again, guess I'm not up to date on the backlog
[00:49] <knome> well again in the sense that we've had similar reports before (and not just once)
[00:49] <knome> and in most cases, the slideshow has really been just okay
[00:49] <knome> i mean, it only appears in some (edge?) cases
[00:49] <knome> so it's possible when you install tomorrow, you won't have the bug...
[00:49] <knome> but please file a bug for that if you see it again
[00:50] <jjfrv8> okay, I can try an install on my desktop tomorrow, if it's not there, will try the laptop again, too.
[00:50] <knome> not like i'm not believing you, but since it's been on and off without being always reproducable... :/
[00:50] <knome> cheers :)
[00:50] <jjfrv8> sure
[00:50] <knome> anything else that looks weird there?
[00:51] <jjfrv8> not weird, but a couple of things with the text...
[00:52] <elfy> knome: should not logically groups be owned by team and team be owned by xpl
[00:52] <jjfrv8> on the Xubuntu desktop slide, I think there's an extra comma.  Should be "single, multipurpose panel"; i.e., no comma between "multipurpose" and "panel"
[00:52] <elfy> if there is a need for ownership
[00:52] <elfy> even if it is a circle jerk
[00:53] <knome> elfy, lol... well, i guess if the team should be able to kick out people from the team and so on
[00:53] <elfy> well
[00:53] <knome> well i don't know why they would (want to) do that, but...
[00:53] <elfy> xpl could wander off
[00:53] <knome> but it's a good question
[00:53] <elfy> who owns xpl?
[00:53] <knome> yes
[00:54] <knome> but then again, it's easier to get the LP admins to return us one team that is clearly marked as the xubuntu community leader team
[00:54] <elfy> mmm
[00:54] <knome> xpl is owned by the sitting xpl
[00:54] <elfy> so Xpl owner is xpl
[00:54] <knome> yes
[00:54] <elfy> yea - catching up
[00:54] <knome> i mean, to be exact
[00:55] <knome> ~xpl owner is xpl, currently ~ochosi
[00:55] <elfy> is there an lpl, kpl, gpl ?
[00:55] <knome> probably not
[00:55] <elfy> this could really get messy :p
[00:55] <knome> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-council
[00:56] <knome> that's basically same as ~xpl, but with several people
[00:56] <knome> which is what i kind of suggested, even if it wasn't a "council" as is
[00:56] <elfy> xpl is however xubuntu-team returns - so should be owned by -team :p
[00:56] <knome> lol
[00:56] <elfy> s/however/whoever
[00:57] <knome> then that would technically mean everybody in -team would be able to change every detail in every xubuntu team
[00:57] <elfy> yep
[00:57] <knome> so i would vote against that :P
[00:57] <elfy> and if xpl wanders a useful thing
[00:57] <knome> well,
[00:57] <knome> that's why i proposed ~xpl should be "xubuntu community managers", which was a group of people who are generally trusted in the community
[00:58] <knome> kind of like what the xubuntu council would be, if one would be set up
[00:58] <elfy> mmm
[00:58] <elfy> yep
[00:58] <knome> lubuntu is going small, this is basically their "creme de la creme" team https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-dev
[00:58] <elfy> xpl being xecutive vote on a council
[00:59] <elfy> :)
[00:59] <knome> well note that i'm not saying we should set up a council... :P
[00:59] <elfy> I like the wayt we do stuff
[00:59] <knome> just that for the possibility that the XPL suddenly disappears, we would have a backup manager for the LP teams
[00:59] <elfy> we can have a council - it'llnot have me on it
[01:00] <Unit193> Oooh!  Ooh!  Council of elfy and ochosi!
[01:00] <knome> but fwiw, i think it's good enough that it's all under one team - doing the paperwork for that is doable
[01:00] <elfy> Unit193 cleverly ignores the previous statement :p
[01:00] <elfy> I really should just stf up
[01:01] <knome> elfy, gnome seems to split their teams, eg. a single person is owning each subteam
[01:01] <knome> though they have https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-gnome-leaders-board
[01:02] <knome> their "users and contributors" team, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-gnome, is owned by the developer team, which is the team that is used to grant *upload permissions* to their packageset
[01:03] <knome> which is somewhat weird, since that team is owned by the DMB
[01:04] <knome> elfy, ^ there you have some other organizational models...
[01:10] <elfy> oh lord
[01:10] <elfy> not seriousness ...
[01:10] <knome> lol
[01:11] <knome> well it was a good excersize
[01:11] <knome> er
[01:11] <knome> fix the typos in your head...
[01:11] <knome> anyway, now i know the way we do it is superior to others :P
[13:58] <jjfrv8> knome, experimented some more with the slideshow and different hardware. It is reproducible but it looks like it's specific to my laptop video adapter.
[13:59] <jjfrv8> if I connect my laptop to an external monitor, I have the slideshow problem. But if I install from my desktop using that same monitor, same resolution - no problem.
[14:00] <jjfrv8> So does that make it an "edge case" and not worthy of a bug report?
[14:12] <jjfrv8> knome, also pushed an MP with some suggested text changes on two slides.
[14:12] <jjfrv8> bbl
[17:33] <knome> jjfrv8, you can create a bug; please attach all the information you just said here, so we can try to find other people with the same hardware or so


[02:56] <twb> Is it because upstart gets confused when it's not PID 1 that Ubuntu's bootchart starts within initramfs (rather than with init=/sbin/bootchartd)?
[05:07] <jdong> twb: no, it's useful to factor in the time spent in initramfs too
[05:07] <twb> initramfs runs before init?
[05:07] <jdong> twb: as we found a few weeks ago, for example, one developer's laptop spends nearly half its bootup in initramfs
[05:07] <jdong> twb: correct. initramfs runs before / is even mounted, much less an init daemon exists
[05:07] <twb> You're right, I was confused
[05:44] <keesj> hello twb
[05:45] <keesj> I am VERY interested in profiling the bootsequence, die you get bootchart runnning?
[05:49] <twb> keesj: I have it running on Debian Lenny...
[06:02] <keesj> and that uses upstart?
[06:03] <keesj> let me put it differently , can i "bootchart" upstart?
[06:16] <twb> keesj: that's broadly my question.
[06:43] <keesj> twb: My feeling is no.
[08:06] <Amaranth> keesj: i don't see why not, you just have to start it in initramfs and have a stop task at the end of boot
[08:06] <Amaranth> keesj: jdong's upstart scripts for ubuntu work with bootchart
[08:09] <AlexExtreme> you can bootchart upstart with native scripts in the normal way you would start bootchart (init=/path/to/bootchart on kernel command line), i've done it
[08:11] <Amaranth> AlexExtreme: but then you don't chart initramfs time
[08:11] <AlexExtreme> mmm, true
[08:12] <Amaranth> which for me is 10 seconds of a 32 second boot :P
[08:12] <AlexExtreme> if you're using it with initramfs you don't need to have a stop task for it, bootchart will stop in it's normal way
[08:12] <AlexExtreme> hehe
[08:12] <AlexExtreme> i wasn't using initramfs with mine though
[08:12] <Amaranth> no, you still need a stop task
[08:13] <AlexExtreme> really? why wouldn't the way bootchart stops itself work?
[08:13] <Amaranth> me and jdong found that out when i got a 12 minute bootchart that took 10 minutes to convert from svg to png :P
[08:13] <AlexExtreme> it waits until gdm, kdm, xdm or getty starts
[08:13] <AlexExtreme> mmm... :P
[08:14] <Amaranth> http://www.realistanew.com/random/hardy-20080317-3.png <--initramfs time is important to measure :P
[08:14] <AlexExtreme> mm, yeah
[08:15] <Amaranth> after that boot we spent awhile trying to maximize disk throughput throughout the process as you can see it seeking most of the time there
[08:15] <AlexExtreme> http://alex-smith.me.uk/files/bootchart-ud.png << insane boot time using upstart native scripts on a custom (LFS based) distro with a custom kernel ;)
[08:16] <Amaranth> ended up with a boot that has a more consistent throughput but a lower max throughput and thus takes the same amount of time to boot :P
[08:16] <Amaranth> wow
[08:16] <Amaranth> except you don't start anything :P
[08:17] <Amaranth> would still take my system 13 seconds or so though, since 10 seconds is lost in initramfs :P
[08:17] <AlexExtreme> well, it booted up to a getty with networking enabled
[08:17] <Amaranth> yeah
[08:17] <AlexExtreme> http://alex-smith.me.uk/files/bootcharts/bootchart-upstart3.png << that's a better one from when I was getting upstart on frugalware, which doesn't use initramfs
[08:18] <AlexExtreme> so stick about 10 secs on for initramfs and you a bit less than your bootchart
[08:18] <AlexExtreme> *get a
[08:18] <Amaranth> that's a weird chart
[08:18] <Amaranth> your high disk usage was at the end of boot
[08:19] <AlexExtreme> about where gdm starts
[08:19] <Amaranth> http://www.realistanew.com/random/hardy-20080317-10.png
[08:19] <Amaranth> that boot is with readahead disabled and i still peak at beginning
[08:19] <AlexExtreme> probably something screwed up that i've done then :p
[08:20] <Amaranth> also i seem to start about 3x as many things :P
[08:20] <AlexExtreme> pff, i like my simplicity ;)
[08:21] <Amaranth> i suspect i can get this thing down to 20 seconds easily if i fix my initramfs problems and get rid of stuff i don't use from startup
[08:21] <Amaranth> which is really exciting because with sysvinit 45 seconds was crazy fast :P
[08:22] <AlexExtreme> with sysv on that system i was getting 29 seconds
[14:28] <Tv> hi. how do i handle a package that's removed but not purged?
[15:14] <ion_> tv: This is #upstart, btw. :-)
[15:40] <Tv> yeah i mean it's event.d
[15:40] <Tv> i don't want to keep respawning on exec /usr/bin/does-not-exist-anymore
[16:07] <ion_> Well, you could always purge the package. ;-)
[19:07] <keesj> thanks for the help guys . i was not able to read earlyer


[15:26] <kdub> hey all
[15:26] <pleia2> g'day kdub
[15:26] <kdub> where is philballew when you need him :)
[15:27] <kdub> who all is going to UDS-R?
[15:29] <pleia2> o/
[15:32] <kdub> cool, me too :)
[15:33] <pleia2> I'm staying friday too (fly out saturday) to do some touristing
[15:33] <kdub> i leave midday friday to take advantage of san diego's only direct flight to europe
[15:34] <kdub> single runway airport in san diego -_-
[15:34] <pleia2> ah
[15:34] <pleia2> yeah, fortunately SFO has a fair number of int'l flights, I connect through frankfurt then straight on home
[15:36] <pleia2> also connecting through frankfurt for my ghana flights, I will be seeing a lot of the frankfurt airport ;)
[16:01] <Darkwing> pleia2: I met the guy from Computer Reach (Can't remember his name) at OLF
[16:01] <Darkwing> Mentioned your guys trip to to ghana
[16:01] <pleia2> cool :)
[16:02] <pleia2> I haven't met him yet, just via Google Hangouts
[16:02] <Darkwing> He's a really good guy
[16:02] <Darkwing> we talked for a while.
[17:24] <raevol> we just got a purchase order that someone tried to save as a word doc using abiword
[17:24] <raevol> completely unreadable, and i can't salvage it even with abiword itself, but it warms my heart that someone put in the effort
[17:24] <raevol> just... you know, use libreoffice next time...
[18:12] <philballew> Darkwing, you around?
[18:24] <Darkwing> philballew: ping
[18:25] <philballew> Darkwing, you run quassel right? Do  you know a good manuel for me to get core running and set up, or is the man page all I need?
[18:26] <philballew> *manual
[18:26] <Darkwing> http://bugs.quassel-irc.org/projects/1/wiki
[18:26] <darthrobot`> Title: [QuasselWiki - Quassel IRC - Quassel IRC Issue Tracker]
[18:27] <philballew> sweet! thanks Darkwing gonna set this up this weekend.
[18:29] <Darkwing> philballew: you have an android phone/tablet?
[18:30] <philballew> yeah, I have tablet. Darkwing
[18:30] <Darkwing> quasseldroid
[18:30] <Darkwing> it's a quassel client for android and it's brilliant
[18:30] <philballew> ah, so it can do android as well. Even more tempting to switch now.
[18:30] <Darkwing> Ohhh yeah
[18:31] <philballew> hows Fort Wayne?
[18:32] <Darkwing> Right now? Coldish and rainy
[18:32] <Darkwing> Overall it's getting better.
[18:43] <philballew> yeah Darkwing hope you enjoy iy
[18:43] <philballew> *it


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