[07:22] <noteventime> rysiek|pl: Thanks ^^,  It's 640x480
[07:22] <noteventime> tamer: Take it easy, have you been in region settings in kcontrol
[07:22] <pulver> how do u change the background image for kdm?
[07:22] <noteventime> login manager
[07:22] <noteventime> in kcontrol
[07:22] <tamer> regions are german and arabic
[07:22] <noteventime> system -> login manager
[07:22] <tamer> I need the keaboard to be displayed in arabic
[07:23] <noteventime> tamer: Region -> keyboard layouts
[07:23] <tamer> I did, but he disable it automatically
[07:23] <tamer> If I click the checkbox "Enable keyboard layouts" everything is empty and nothing is choosable
[07:23] <noteventime> It works for me :(
[07:24] <rysiek|pl> noteventime: ok, gimme a sec, I'll put the image on my server
[07:25] <pulver> noteventime: thanks
[07:25] <noteventime> puver: NP :)
[07:26] <tamer> How do I reconfigure the xorg server?!
[07:26] <tamer> Has anybody of you an idea?
[07:26] <noteventime> Edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:27] <noteventime> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:27] <noteventime> Dunno if that last onw works though
[07:28] <Nomad411> I need to set up a PC for the 10 year-old son of my buddy.  Woul dedubuntu be a good choice for Internet child-safety?  Does anyone here know if there are built-in tools similar to net-nanny, etc?
[07:28] <zax1> bipolar, so i dont take the K& driver then, just the 386 ?
[07:28] <bipolar> zax1: right. or you can install the k7 kernel.
[07:28] <zax1> and do you reckon for the NV18is the right driver
[07:29] <tamer> thank you guys
[07:29] <noteventime> Nomad411: There is software availible like net-nanny, give me a minute and let me try to find one :)
[07:29] <zax1> k, well the 386 is what i installed earlier , when it all when capput
[07:29] <noteventime> tamer: Np
[07:29] <bipolar> zax1: acording to the package. everything higher then a gforce 2 is supported by that driver.
[07:29] <bipolar> zax1: there is a
[07:29] <zax1> thats what i thought
[07:29] <bipolar> zax1: there is a "legacy" driver for the older ones.
[07:30] <zax1> its a relatively new one
[07:31] <bipolar> should be fine.
[07:31] <rysiek|pl> noteventime: http://rysiek.ath.cx/stuff/grub_splash.tar.bz2 there you are
[07:31] <bipolar> you havn't installed the new driver yet, have you?
[07:31] <bipolar> maybe we should try bumping the resolution up before installing it.
[07:31] <bipolar> just to see....
[07:32] <bipolar> zax1: open up a terminal in X and run 'xrandr' and see what it tells you
[07:33] <bipolar> zax1: maybe there are more modes you can switch too, although I doubt it... :\
[07:33] <noteventime> rysiekpl: Thanks
[07:33] <noteventime> Nomad411: Take a look at this: http://dansguardian.org/?page=whatisdg
[07:33] <Apple7> hello, i'm from Argentina
[07:34] <rysiek|pl> no problem
[07:34] <noteventime> 'ello
[07:34] <Apple7> sorry by inglish
[07:34] <zax1> bipolar
[07:34] <bipolar> .
[07:34] <zax1> where do i type that in a terminal window?
[07:35] <bipolar> open up konsole.
[07:35] <bipolar> click on the K menu, then system, then konsole
[07:35] <Apple7> bipolar> are you Oscar?
[07:35] <zax1> i thought so, but it say cant open display, when i type xrandr
[07:35] <bipolar> Apple7: nope.
[07:35] <bipolar> zax1: wow...thats weird
[07:35] <Apple7> Pk, sorry
[07:35] <Apple7> ok*
[07:36] <bipolar> zax1: you're not running it with sudo, are you?
[07:36] <zax1> sorry i typed it in a terminal i opened with ctrl alt F1
[07:36] <zax1> its through your way
[07:36] <zax1> and i get just those 2
[07:36] <zax1> 640x480 and 320x240
[07:37] <bipolar> ok.
[07:37] <noteventime> rysiek|pl: Ok, time to reboot
[07:37] <bipolar> have you ever used ssh, zax1?
[07:37] <Apple7> i'm problem wicht Kubuntu
[07:37] <zax1> no
[07:37] <zax1> u want  to connect to my comp ?
[07:37] <bipolar> zax1: it would be easier.
[07:38] <zax1> i would like that, think we had enough foreplay.........
[07:38] <bipolar> zax1: all I need to access to port 22 on the kubuntu box
[07:38] <bipolar> lol
[07:38] <bipolar> zax1: do you know how to forward ports?
[07:38] <rysiek|pl> noteventime: good luck :)
[07:39] <zax1> not on a linux box. can we do it in a private room, dont want the entire kubuntu room , to think i am easy, and try to get in as well
[07:39] <bipolar> lol
[07:39] <Apple7> ok, thanks by help me
[07:39] <Apple7> goodBye!
[07:40] <zax1> the computer i a m on at the moment is a windows xp( can u see the IP ?)
[07:40] <bipolar> zax1: I opened a query window to you. check your tabs
[07:40] <rysiek|pl> noteventime: and?..
[07:40] <noteventime> :D, your image worked like a dream
[07:40] <zax1> i saw it, but i cant private message
[07:40] <rysiek|pl> yuppie KIA, man :)
[07:40] <bipolar> oh.... you'd need to register... bah
[07:41] <zax1> here, will u join kubuntu-il ?
[07:41] <noteventime> rysiek|pl: If i can't get my splash to work I'll keep yours :D
[07:41] <rysiek|pl> bipolar, zax: create your own channel
[07:41] <noteventime> rysiek|pl: Very nice
[07:41] <rysiek|pl> noteventime: no problem, you can try to edit mine - that should help you :)
[07:42] <noteventime> Just what I'm oing right now :)
[07:42] <rysiek|pl> thx, it's made from a wallpaper I've found on kde-look.org
[07:42] <rysiek|pl> noteventime: open the image in GIMP and set vthe image mode to RGB first
[07:42] <noteventime> rysiek|pl: The thing I's I'm trying to get a consitant feel througout my boot :)
[07:43] <rysiek|pl> or you'll be only able to work with the colours from the palette of my image ;)
[07:43] <rysiek|pl> yep - me too :)
[07:43] <jjesse_meeting> two days ago i accessed a windows file share through konq and now every 5 minutes or so i'm being asked for username/password for the file share, can somoene help me out?
[07:43] <rysiek|pl> I have a wallpaper like that, a KDM splash and KDM theme too
[07:43] <rysiek|pl> noteventime: now I'm trying to get USplash like that ;)
[07:43] <noteventime> Me too :D
[07:44] <rysiek|pl> that makes the two of us, then :)
[07:44] <noteventime> rysiek|pl: Well, then we are in the same situation now :)
[07:44] <noteventime> yep
[07:45] <rysiek|pl> ok then, I'll post do some testing during the weekend and post a new thread on ubuntuforums for the usplash thingy
[07:46] <noteventime> Ok, new reboot :P
[07:46] <rysiek|pl> noteventime: hmmm... I've got an idea: can you send me (or publish it in the net somewhere) the image that *didn't* work for your GRUB?
[07:46] <rysiek|pl> ok, gluck ;)
[07:46] <jjesse> any thoughts for my issue?
[07:47] <rysiek|pl> jjesse: no idea :/
[07:47] <noteventime> rysiek|pl: As soon as i'vev rebooted
[07:47] <rysiek|pl> ok
[07:47] <rysiek|pl> jjesse: do you have this share in media:/ folder?
[07:48] <jjesse> rysiek|pl: no i don't
[07:48] <rysiek|pl> o_O
[07:48] <rysiek|pl> strange
[07:49] <rysiek|pl> so, let me get this straight: you are being prompted for a username and password for a Windows share every few mins?
[07:50] <jjesse> rysiek|pl: correct
[07:50] <noteventime> :/
[07:50] <noteventime> Mine still doen't work :P
[07:50] <noteventime> doesn't*
[07:50] <rysiek|pl> noteventime: ok, send me your file to mikiwoz (at) yahoo (dot) co (dot) uk
[07:52] <noteventime> rysiek|pl: Sent, I know it says KDE 3.3 :P
[07:52] <rysiek|pl> jjesse: no idea, really, sorry :/
[07:52] <rysiek|pl> ok
[07:52] <noteventime> What is the problem?
[07:52] <jjesse> rysiek|pl: thanks anyways
[07:52] <rysiek|pl> jjesse: try with noteventime ;)
[07:53] <wimpies> does dapper have a kubunt install CD yet ? the one on the homepage claims that is not an installable version
[07:53] <jjesse> for me it is every couple of minutes i'm prompted for username/password to access a windows share i accessed two days aga
[07:53] <noteventime> I'll do my best :)
[07:53] <noteventime> OK..
[07:53] <jjesse> the live cd is currently not installable
[07:53] <noteventime> jjesse
[07:54] <noteventime> jjesse: You mean it doesn't accept your password/username?
[07:54] <jjesse> noteventime: yes?
[07:54] <jjesse> it accepts, but i'm not trying to access the share, it just keeps prompting me
[07:54] <noteventime> ahhh, At KDE startup?
[07:54] <wimpies> jjesse : the website has different links for live and installable CD.  Are both the same ?
[07:55] <jjesse> wimpies: they are currently different
[07:55] <jjesse> noteventime: nope as i'm working on kubuntu
[07:55] <noteventime> wimpies: Are you running breezy, if you are you can just upgrade to dapper.
[07:55] <wimpies> http://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-4/
[07:55] <noteventime> jjesse: :S, maybe it starts an old konqueror session
[07:55] <wimpies> yes but I have 3 rootkits installed and want to get rid of them and was considering to use dapper
[07:56] <noteventime> ok
[07:56] <wimpies> the above URL has different links ... live and install .  so the install is not yet read then ?
[07:57] <noteventime> jjesse: Try to disable "restore last session" in session manager
[07:58] <noteventime> rysiek|pl: Find anything odd?
[07:58] <jjesse> session manager in system settings?
[07:58] <noteventime> yes, or kcontrol
[07:59] <jjesse> ok trying that thanks noteventime
[07:59] <rysiek|pl> noteventime: yep, fixed, sent to you by email. :)
[07:59] <noteventime> rysiek|pl: Thanks ^^
[07:59] <noteventime> jjesse: Np
[07:59] <rysiek|pl> nop ;)
[08:00] <rysiek|pl> wimples: nope, Dapper is not ready yet. Try Breezy instead, upgrading to Dapper is not difficult later on.
[08:00] <noteventime> I thought i sis indexed when chanhing to 14 colors with convert :P
[08:00] <jjesse> flight 4 runs pretty stable for me :)
[08:00] <noteventime> Thanks ^^
[08:00] <rysiek|pl> my pleasure ;)
[08:01] <rysiek|pl> jjesse: yep, but it's not *officially* released as stable yet :)
[08:01] <rysiek|pl> noteventime: so now only the usplash left to be hacked ;)
[08:02] <noteventime> yep :P
[08:03] <noteventime> rysiek|pl: Have you tried Xgl and/or aiglx?
[08:04] <noteventime> Well, time for another reboot
[08:06] <Aapzak> mornin' lads
[08:06] <jjesse> aftern Aapzak
[08:07] <rysiek|pl> !Xgl
[08:07] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems. It works ONLY on dapper. Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/
[08:07] <jjesse> does it work in kubuntu or is it a ubuntu only thing?'
[08:08] <Aapzak> xgl works in KDE as well, but much better in GNome
[08:08] <Aapzak> it was made for Gnome
[08:08] <Aapzak> so, Ubuntu
[08:09] <noteventime> yay
[08:10] <rysiek|pl> :)
[08:10] <noteventime> Works good, although I'll need to tweak the image a little
[08:10] <rysiek|pl> go for it. remember to switch to Mode -> RGB when changing the image, and then, before saving, to Indexed
[08:10] <noteventime> yep
[08:11] <rysiek|pl> as for Xgl - heard about it and waiting for it to be usable ;) but it really is something *very* interesting, I'd say
[08:11] <Aapzak> ow, it is very useable
[08:11] <rysiek|pl> !aiglx
[08:11] <ubotu> rysiek|pl: Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[08:11] <Aapzak> as long as you use gnome
[08:11] <rysiek|pl> why GNOME?
[08:12] <Aapzak> because compiz replaces your window manager and you can't replace kwin as easely
[08:13] <noteventime> compiz works good with KDE
[08:13] <rysiek|pl> I am a KDEling, I don't like GNOME
[08:13] <rysiek|pl> great :)
[08:13] <rysiek|pl> then I have to try the damn thing ;)
[08:13] <Aapzak> I used it on KDE, but kmail didn't work and all konqueror windows appeared after the cube, not useable
[08:13] <noteventime> use gnome-window-decorator in KDE is nop
[08:13] <rysiek|pl> but AFTER i get usplash to behave nicely and AFTER I get HURD installed ;)
[08:13] <noteventime> HURD?
[08:13] <rysiek|pl> !hurd
[08:13] <ubotu> My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, rysiek|pl
[08:14] <rysiek|pl> http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/hurd.html
[08:14] <noteventime> aiglx is kinda like normal xorg but with compositing for effekts
[08:14] <noteventime> In my opinion Xgl is better but aiglx is more stable
[08:14] <rysiek|pl> Debian/HURD is the first HURD distro, it's in the alpha stage, but it's a very interesting project
[08:15] <rysiek|pl> m'kay guys. gotta go watch a film or something - 'nuff sitting on IRC ;)
[08:15] <noteventime> bye
[08:15] <rysiek|pl> cu all tomorrow, heavy usplash testing underway ;)
[08:15] <noteventime> haha
[08:24] <echdev> weird
[08:24] <echdev> when my laptop screen is closed
[08:24] <echdev> after a while
[08:24] <echdev> I open it again and it doesn't turn back on
[08:24] <echdev> :(
[08:26] <noteventime> echdev: Does it go into stand by?
[08:27] <noteventime> echdev: I'm having the same probem with standby since upgrading to dapper
[08:28] <echdev> i dont think so
[08:29] <echdev> im pretty sure I haven't enabled that
[08:29] <echdev> but I close the lid and it's ok
[08:29] <echdev> if I close it and let it sit a while, it wont come back
[08:32] <noteventime> echdev: Hmm... Maybe it suspends after a while :/
[08:33] <echdev> maybe
[08:33] <echdev> i was told ubuntu had this problem, but I never had it with my laptop
[08:33] <echdev> but I am with kubuntu :o
[08:34] <echdev> breezy badger
[08:35] <larsivi> Has anyone installed the gutenprint drivers on Breezy?
[08:40] <Psi-Jack> BRB, gonna hit the router, see if it's gotten unstable or something.
[08:45] <ronaldson40> Can i run Prince of Persia : The Two thrones on Kubuntu
[08:46] <Aapzak> common zaggy,
[08:47] <noteventime> ronaldson40: Depends, cedega might be able
[08:47] <ronaldson40> If i can run it wat should i install to run it
[08:47] <ronaldson40> Is cadega paid
[08:47] <noteventime> Cedega, which isn't free, but you can always resort to p*r*a*c*
[08:48] <noteventime> *cought*bittorrent*cough*
[08:48] <ronaldson40> wat is P*r*a*c
[08:48] <noteventime> piracy :P
[08:48] <ronaldson40> could u give me a link
[08:48] <noteventime> ops i messed the *
[08:49] <ronaldson40> sorry i thought it was software
[08:49] <Psi-Jack> Or you can get cedega from CVS. :p
[08:49] <noteventime> I don't think you can anymore :(
[08:49] <Psi-Jack> Yes, actually, you can.
[08:49] <ronaldson40> so is cadega the only software for this
[08:49] <Pwn3d> hi any speak spanish
[08:49] <Pwn3d> plz
[08:49] <Pwn3d> i need help
[08:50] <larsivi> !es
[08:50] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[08:50] <noteventime> ronaldson40: For games using DirectX, yes
[08:50] <ronaldson40> yes
[08:50] <noteventime> ronaldson40: For OpenGL games you can use wine, which cedega is based on..
[08:50] <ronaldson40> k
[08:51] <noteventime> ronaldson40: I'll gave you a link in a few minutes
[08:51] <ronaldson40> k thanx
[08:51] <noteventime> My Xserver is kinda bugged so i'll have to restart it
[08:51] <ronaldson40> k
[08:51] <ronaldson40> i 'll wait
[08:52] <stian> Hey, I have a question, it's not linux related, but still. When I do a search for my name on google, Konqueror and Opera shows my site as the first result, but when I do it in FF, im not even listed on the first page...whats up with that? How does it work?
[08:52] <noteventime> Who was it with cedega?
[08:54] <noteventime> ??
[08:54] <noteventime> 'ello % FF0
[08:55] <trappist> noteventime: http://transgaming.org/cvs/
[08:56] <noteventime> Cool
[08:56] <noteventime> I thought you warent able to do that with version 5
[08:56] <ronaldson40> hi
[08:56] <trappist> *shrug* maybe it's out of date.  never heard about them dropping it.
[08:56] <ronaldson40> noteventime
[08:57] <noteventime> 'ello
[08:57] <ronaldson40> hi
[08:57] <ronaldson40> abt the link ur were talkin abt
[08:58] <_admin> xcvxcgvx
[09:00] <ronaldson40> msg nickserv register aa
[09:02] <Tm_T> !register
[09:02] <ubotu> register is probably type /msg nickserv help register (you probably should do this in the server window so that if you mess up you won't reveal your password to the whole channel :))
[09:07] <Snake__> Mornin all
[09:07] <noteventime> 'ello
[09:07] <noteventime> hehe it's 9PM here :D
[09:07] <Snake__> noteventime: 3 pm here ;)
[09:07] <noteventime> OH :D
[09:09] <Snake__> Hmmm this room is quite today
[09:09] <Snake__> Tis a good thing :)
[09:10] <pm> Snake__, where are the other two?
[09:10] <Snake__> pm: ??
[09:10] <Snake__> quiet** :)
[09:10] <noteventime> Man, usplash is hard to configure
[09:11] <pm> i'm one and the only ;)
[09:11] <Snake__> pm: Oh! Rofl, I just now got that
[09:23] <larsivi> !gutenprint
[09:23] <ubotu> I give up. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, larsivi
[09:25] <_b> !sane
[09:25] <ubotu> I give up. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, _b
[09:35] <joeytribb> hi all
[09:38] <_moep_> hi
[09:39] <larsivi> noone here tried the gutenprint (5.0.0rc2) drivers?
[09:39] <_moep_> i have some problems to start kubuntu cant start the install....
[09:42] <_moep_> i have an acer TravelMate 4652 LMi
[09:44] <_moep_> and used some boot parameters but it doesnt works.. get only
[09:44] <_moep_> Umcompressing Linux... Ok, booting the kernel
[09:44] <_moep_> nd then black screen and nothing happens...
[09:45] <larsivi> Hmm, might be a problem with the screen resolution somehow
[09:46] <_moep_> i think so, too but i have net really expierience with linux
[09:46] <_moep_> i used boot parameter
[09:46] <_moep_> linux vga=791 nehmen
[09:46] <_moep_> linux debian-installer/framebuffer=false
[09:46] <_moep_> and linux
[09:49] <trappist> _moep_: is that the tiny laptop with only a usb cdrom drive?
[09:51] <_moep_> no
[09:51] <_moep_> its this one:
[09:52] <_moep_> http://www.acer.de/acereuro/page4.do?dau22.oid=9005&UserCtxParam=0&GroupCtxParam=0&dctx1=9&CountryISOCtxParam=DE&LanguageISOCtxParam=de&crc=2118416267
[09:52] <_moep_> (sry its a german link)
[09:53] <Skrot> trappist: You're thinking of Acer Travelmate 3000TWMi, and it's a firewire DVD-drive ;)
[09:57] <_moep_> mmh and now?^^
[09:57] <Heinkel> hello?
[09:57] <trappist> Skrot: right you are :)
[09:57] <Skrot> Ofcourse, I'm using it ;)
[09:58] <Heinkel> i am looking for a url to a good kubuntu installation guide...can anyone help me?
[09:58] <Heinkel> needs to cover setting up disk partitions and the installation itself...help
[09:59] <Heinkel> i have downloaded both live and setup CD from bittorrent...so now i need guidance :(
[10:00] <sebi> you should try the kubuntu-forum, but the installation is really easy, so try to make it own your own, you will see, you will make it
[10:00] <tomas_> hi
[10:00] <tomas_> is there anyone who knows his way around sound systems?
[10:00] <Heinkel> just insert cd..cross fingers?
[10:01] <_moep_> Skrot: wich boot parameter i should use?
[10:01] <arrinmurr> is there a way to change the language after installation? and i don't mean keyboard layout
[10:01] <sebi> the installtion needs only a few information,the most will be configured automatically
[10:01] <Skrot> _moep_: Youve got a 3000-series?
[10:02] <_moep_> no
[10:02] <_moep_> 4652LMi
[10:02] <Skrot> And what's the problem?
[10:02] <Skrot> acpi=off noacpi noapic seems to be a good bet for most laptops by the way
[10:02] <_moep_> ok i test it
[10:03] <Skrot> But it really depends what the problem is..
[10:03] <buntu-tablet> sweet,  kubuntu 6.1 supports my so far not supported in linux Toshiba SD Card reader
[10:03] <_moep_> wow thx it works
[10:03] <Skrot> Make it support by Texas Instruments PCIxx21 already :P
[10:03] <_moep_> 6.1? i have only 5.1. :/
[10:03] <buntu-tablet> it's the beta
[10:04] <buntu-tablet> drapper or whatever
[10:04] <_moep_> ok
[10:04] <jpowers> dapper
[10:04] <jpowers> dapper drake
[10:04] <buntu-tablet> that's it
[10:05] <buntu-tablet> ubuntu is the only distro that installs, supports my Intel Wireless 2200, my gigabit, cdrom, wacom tablet screen, with no modifications for my Toshiba Tecra M4-S435 Tablet PC
[10:05] <sebi> @buntu-tablet: my intern sd card reader works with 6.04 ,too. I'm really surprised about the positiv development of the Kubuntu project
[10:06] <jpowers> buntu-tablet: does it support touch sensitivity?
[10:06] <buntu-tablet> yep
[10:06] <jpowers> awesome
[10:06] <buntu-tablet> krita and gimp both
[10:06] <jpowers> I've been tempted to get an x41 tablet
[10:06] <buntu-tablet> not very many "notebook" applications out there yet
[10:06] <trappist> buntu-tablet: similar experience here on my inspiron 600m (same wireless card)
[10:07] <trappist> buntu-tablet: though the 2200 drivers are hella buggy
[10:07] <jpowers> buntu-tablet: will having a tablet change my life?
[10:07] <buntu-tablet> jpowers: that was my other choice,  I went for 1lb heavier, but with DVD-RAM/RW/R, bluetooth, and a faster 1.73ghz pentium-m
[10:07] <jpowers> ;)
[10:07] <buntu-tablet> jpowers: for less $
[10:07] <buntu-tablet> jpowers: it's changed mine
[10:08] <jpowers> sweet
[10:08] <buntu-tablet> $1599 for this model
[10:08] <buntu-tablet> on newegg
[10:08] <jpowers> not bad
[10:08] <buntu-tablet> it's DDR2, and 2.5" sata hard drive
[10:08] <buntu-tablet> and nvidia geforce 6200 w/128mb
[10:08] <trpr42> buntu-tablet: just bought a laptop last week. should be arriving soon. it will be my first one :) can't wait to go outside or something, lol
[10:09] <buntu-tablet> plays quake4 very nice :)
[10:09] <jpowers> buntu-tablet: very nice.
[10:09] <buntu-tablet> trpr42: awesome
[10:09] <buntu-tablet> jpowers: the only down side was that my SD card (where i store all my note taking doc's in windows) didn't work in linux
[10:10] <buntu-tablet> even with updated kernel (2.6.15) in any other distro
[10:10] <buntu-tablet> i just installed dapper for the heck of it, and it showed up on my desktop,  I was like WHOA
[10:10] <jpowers> awesome
[10:10] <buntu-tablet> the x41's are fully supported
[10:10] <buntu-tablet> in linux
[10:11] <buntu-tablet> and the only hardware not working now in linux for this Tecra M4 S435 is the Accelaromiter for stopping the hard drive if the laptop goes into motion
[10:12] <buntu-tablet> i replaced a 2.0ghz Dell Insprion 8600 with a slower 1.73,  but I'll never go back to normal laptop
[10:12] <buntu-tablet> the sata, and ddr2 make up for the speed difference anyway
[10:12] <jpowers> I have an 8600
[10:12] <jpowers> I really like the 1920x1200 res
[10:12] <buntu-tablet> it was beautiful
[10:12] <jpowers> That's what I'll miss switching down
[10:12] <buntu-tablet> in 2d
[10:13] <buntu-tablet> it wouldn't push even old games though
[10:13] <buntu-tablet> and then it would get fuzzy
[10:13] <jpowers> mine would overheat when I played games
[10:13] <buntu-tablet> theis 1400x1020 i snice
[10:13] <jpowers> :s
[10:13] <buntu-tablet> or whatever it is..  1400xsomething
[10:13] <buntu-tablet> and it's light... so light
[10:14] <buntu-tablet> 8600 weighs a ton
[10:14] <jpowers> I have an old X21
[10:14] <jpowers> that thing is light
[10:14] <buntu-tablet> battery life is right at 3.5 hours
[10:14] <jpowers> and I trust thinkpads to be reliable
[10:14] <buntu-tablet> yes
[10:14] <jpowers> which is why I was going to go with an x41
[10:14] <buntu-tablet> yeah
[10:14] <jpowers> but if the tecra is that good, maybe I'll go for that.
[10:14] <buntu-tablet> and you can get about 6hrs from the x41
[10:14] <jpowers> that's compelling.
[10:14] <buntu-tablet> my tecra just survived a 5 foot fall onto a smooth concrete floor
[10:15] <jpowers> wow
[10:15] <buntu-tablet> fell off the bookshelf
[10:15] <buntu-tablet> no damage
[10:15] <jpowers> awesome
[10:15] <buntu-tablet> it was open, and on
[10:15] <buntu-tablet> folded over in tablet mode
[10:15] <Skrot> Is it possible to download a kubuntu dapper netinst iso?
[10:15] <buntu-tablet> the clippy that holds the screen down in tablet mode, popped out of it's holder
[10:15] <jjesse_meeting> Skrot: i don't think so
[10:16] <Skrot> jjesse_meeting: hmm, okay
[10:16] <jpowers> buntu-tablet: very cool
[10:16] <buntu-tablet> i pushed it back in,  ran disk bad cluster detection 6 times on the drive
[10:16] <buntu-tablet> it survived
[10:16] <buntu-tablet> it's never going to happen again.. but yeah
[10:17] <buntu-tablet> it was in winxp though, so the drive stopped
[10:17] <buntu-tablet> err  "parked"  when it detected it was falling
[10:18] <buntu-tablet> tryiing to get that working in linux now.
[10:18] <buntu-tablet> hdaps
[10:18] <buntu-tablet> it wasn't rough concrete,  that probably would have scratched up the case..
[10:19] <buntu-tablet> sounded like a empty plastic container hitting the floor..
[10:19] <buntu-tablet> my 8600 survived a 3 foot fall from the front seat to the floorboard..
[10:20] <buntu-tablet> from like 60mpg to 15mpg
[10:30] <duckdown> Hi all.. I installed Dapper 4 and i think its great, but, after clicking the UPDATES button in the taskbar and completing it, It's still displaying the damn exlaimation point icon saying that there are '3 updated packages available' .. but after clicking it, it's just saying everything is up to date!
[10:32] <buntu-tablet> duckdown: sounds like something is being not updated for some dep reason or something
[10:35] <crweb> what do i apt-get to get the sources that linux-image-2.6.15-16-386 were built with (for installing other modules)
[10:40] <trappist> crweb: try linux-tree-2.6.15-16
[10:41] <crweb> it doesn't exist
[10:42] <trappist> hrm.  you're right.  coulda sworn...
[10:42] <crweb> yeah, that's it for 2.6.12
[10:42] <crweb> which is how i knew it exist
[10:43] <trappist> linux-source
[10:43] <crweb> it's just the source though
[10:43] <crweb> not the compiled version and the same .config
[10:44] <crweb> unless that doesn't matter
[10:44] <trappist> I guess I'm not sure what you're looking for.  you want the source or the kernel image?
[10:45] <crweb> inorder to build modules for the current running kernel, you need the kernel tree from the kernel you are running
[10:45] <crweb> not just the source
[10:45] <crweb> not just the image
[10:45] <crweb> has to be the same .config and all kinds of stuff i thought
[10:46] <crweb> i think i got it,  brb
[10:47] <UNDERsoN> hello everybody
[10:48] <UNDERsoN> it's my first time in kubuntu )) i think you're not so lucky as me about this
[10:49] <UNDERsoN> only 1 question where i can get mc dev package?
[10:49] <UNDERsoN> deb
[10:50] <UNDERsoN> o i understand you're not so friendly as i think
[10:50] <UNDERsoN> so good by if you don't wanna help
[10:59] <unperson> I currently have Ubuntu Breezy installed on my home computer.  Follow the instructions on the wiki for installing Kubuntu-desktop, will the result be functionally the same as having installed kubuntu fresh from the CD (asside from a bunch of old Gnome stuff taking up space)?
[11:00] <osh_> unperson: yes.
[11:00] <unperson> Or is it likely that various setting made during install will be different than if I had installed kubuntu fresh?
[11:01] <unperson> osh_:  I'll take that as a no to the second part of the question then I guess.  :-)
[11:01] <osh_> unperson: sorry. baby crying. only one hand. no time.
[11:01] <unperson> osh_:  Np.  My intent was to save you some typing.
[11:01] <unperson> But oh well.  :-)
[11:02] <osh_> unperson: not sure.
[11:02] <unperson> 2nd Question:  Are releases slower on the kubuntu side of things because this is not the original/main version of Ubuntu?
[11:03] <Celeste> hi
[11:03] <Celeste> Please help me,  between Line 55 and 60  were a lot of errors coming up  while installing APACHE 1.3
[11:03] <Celeste> http://pastebin.com/582567
[11:03] <osh_> unperson: no. not really.
[11:04] <osh_> unperson: and canonical is aiming at making kub as official as ub is.
[11:04] <unperson> Cool.  Sounds worth a try then.  Having used both Gnome and KDE, I found KDE to be a bit more full featured/mature.
[11:05] <_b> !se
[11:05] <ubotu> _b: What? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[11:05] <osh_> unperson: me too. but ymmv.
[11:06] <wimpies>  does anybody know if there is an installable kubuntu dapper iso image ?
[11:07] <osh_> Celeste: looks ok to me. whats the prob?
[11:07] <osh_> wimpies: yes. on hp.
[11:07] <wimpies> osh_ : euh ... where ?
[11:07] <Celeste> osh_, errors between line 55 and 60
[11:07] <osh_> wimpies: homepage
[11:08] <wimpies> well I think I tried that one and it claims it is NOT an installable CD ... ?
[11:08] <osh_> Celeste: looks like they were recovered. isn't apachhe running?
[11:08] <crweb> i just installed dapper from cd 30 minutes ago
[11:09] <crweb> everything is working fine
[11:09] <Celeste> it is running...
[11:09] <osh_> wimpies: http://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-4/
[11:10] <unperson> wimpies:  Is it possible the CD burned incorrectly?
[11:10] <crweb> wimpies: my install went perfect,  even hardware not supported in the standard kernel is working
[11:11] <wimpies> unperson : it booted I got the gui, it asked me language and keyboard layout scanned for CD and then claimed it was not enough to install with
[11:11] <unperson> ah
[11:11] <unperson> wimpies:  Weird.
[11:11] <wimpies> osh_ :  that is the one I tried
[11:12] <unperson> osh_:  Thanks a lot.
[11:12] <unperson> Later.
[11:12] <wimpies> Can I see some log output so I can check why it failed ?
[11:13] <Pyrobob> hey I gotta small problem
[11:13] <_b> !krypto
[11:13] <ubotu> _b: Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[11:14] <osh_> wimpies: checksum it?
[11:14] <Pyrobob> I occasionally get a serious lag session
[11:14] <Pyrobob> and their happening more often as I run Linux
[11:14] <wimpies> osh_ : if the image boots all right, I presume it is correct.
[11:15] <Pyrobob> ...
[11:15] <Pyrobob> any ideas?
[11:15] <osh_> wimpies: burn another. i got one from there and it worked fine.
[11:16] <_b> anyone using cryptated drives for security ?
[11:16] <zax1> hola
[11:17] <wimpies> I think I got it, my second CD contained an AUDIO cd and while scanning for CD's the installer though that that was the right CD
[11:17] <osh_> _b: have a look at truecrypt. it's got ubuntu deb and all.
[11:17] <osh_> Pyrobob: manifesting how?
[11:17] <Pyrobob> just has a serious lag session
[11:17] <Pyrobob> just randomly
[11:18] <Pyrobob> more and more often
[11:18] <Pyrobob> can't run anything extra
[11:18] <osh_> Pyrobob: running what?
[11:18] <Pyrobob> Kubuntu
[11:18] <crweb> wimpies: 2nd cd?
[11:18] <osh_> Pyrobob: not net lag, just slow computer?
[11:18] <Pyrobob> yes
[11:18] <Pyrobob> looking at the process table right now
[11:18] <wimpies> crweb : yes the audio cd was in the second drive
[11:19] <crweb> oh oh
[11:19] <crweb> i see
[11:19] <Pyrobob> see if I can close anything thats not needed
[11:19] <danni> Can someone help me? I'm trying to install the ATI drivers, and I can't get the distro box to show any of the Ubuntu ones
[11:19] <osh_> Pyrobob: what does top say?
[11:19] <Pyrobob> top?
[11:20] <osh_> yes
[11:20] <zax1> can anyone recomend a good media player that come packed with all the necesery codecs to play any file on the planet ?
[11:20] <Pyrobob> ...
[11:20] <zax1> or there about.....
[11:20] <cold> I just started the ubuntu live cd and totem has no video mpeg support, what plugin should I download ?
[11:20] <osh_> console, type top
[11:20] <Pyrobob> ah
[11:20] <Pyrobob> one sec
[11:20] <zax1> or maybe just a codec pack similar to the Klite package that is for linux
[11:20] <zax1> i dont care if its open source or not
[11:21] <osh_> cold: i use vlc or mplayer... :-)
[11:21] <robotgeek> cold: do you mean dapper/breezy?
[11:21] <neoncode> is running "sudo apt-get install gstremer*" a bad idea?
[11:21] <Pyrobob> everything is root except like 4 things
[11:22] <osh_> Pyrobob: what's the load?
[11:22] <cold> umm
[11:22] <cold> breezy
[11:22] <Pyrobob> there's 70 tasks 1 running 69 sleeping is what it says
[11:22] <cold> rebotgeek breezy
[11:23] <osh_> Pyrobob: you should have 3 load avg at the top of the screen
[11:23] <Pyrobob> oh it says load average: 0.22, 0.35, 0.34
[11:24] <neoncode> Pyrobob: Hi ya pyro
[11:24] <osh_> Pyrobob: does anything change when the comp freezes up?
[11:24] <osh_> Pyrobob: in top that is.
[11:24] <Pyrobob> not sure it hasn't froze up so far
[11:24] <Pyrobob> lemme open gAIM and see what happens
[11:25] <Pyrobob> that and Kopete give me the most trouble
[11:25] <osh_> Pyrobob: keep looking
[11:25] <wimpies> The boot process only proposes american timezones ... why ?
[11:25] <osh_> py start kopete and see what happems
[11:25] <_ben> can anyone recomend a good ftp program other that kbear
[11:25] <Pyrobob> load average: 0.75, 0.49, 0.38
[11:25] <osh_> _ben: konqueror?
[11:25] <Pyrobob> first number jumped tio 95, then dropped to 80
[11:25] <wimpies> _ben : konqueror ?
[11:26] <_ben> How does that work?
[11:26] <wimpies> ftp://WWW/...
[11:26] <wimpies> _ben : and it works from ANY location (also from KDE apps)
[11:26] <Pyrobob> ...
[11:27] <osh_> Pyrobob: keep an eye on top when comp freezes up
[11:27] <Pyrobob> k its never actually "froze" just lagged extremely bad
[11:27] <crweb> why does firefox keep wanting to put my downloads into /tmp?
[11:27] <Pyrobob> like 30 minutes to close a gAMI window
[11:27] <crweb> i have it set to ask me
[11:27] <Pyrobob> gAIM*
[11:27] <wimpies> crweb : I think it is a preference somewhere
[11:28] <crweb> wimpies: i have it set to ask me..
[11:28] <Pyrobob> first number is jumping around from 50 to 80 or so
[11:28] <jf-> so, i've compiled my own kde vanilla sources (i need to have a stock-kde install for one of the accounts on my box), but it appears that the compile is still retaining some kubuntu settings
[11:28] <_ben> that's brilliant - thanks osh and wimpies
[11:29] <jf-> for example, the "window" menu is still missing as it was from the Kubuntu/KDE
[11:29] <_ben> i'm imbarrased that i didn't already know about it
[11:29] <wimpies> crweb : donno then ... never tried ask
[11:29] <jf-> (in konq, that is)
[11:29] <wimpies> let me try it here
[11:29] <Pyrobob> first number jumped to 1.41
[11:29] <Pyrobob> second to .670 and third to .46
[11:30] <wimpies> crweb: it asks me
[11:31] <ttread> Does anyone know what happened to kweather?  I notice it does not appear in the list of applets in Dapper.
[11:31] <wimpies> I have version 1.0.7
[11:31] <wimpies> I save to the desktop and use konqueror to move it around
[11:31] <wimpies> (easier)
[11:32] <zax1> can any one help a noob?
[11:32] <zax1> just made the switch from windows
[11:32] <wimpies> zax1 : congrats
[11:32] <zax1> and am getting a headache trying to figure it all out
[11:32] <zax1> thanks wimpies
[11:33] <wimpies> zax1 : figuring what out
[11:33] <chx> why I have a small "Berlin" below my clock? TZ I guess, but I'd like to get rid of it
[11:33] <zax1> a couple of stuff, i know istill think windows but i cant help my self
[11:33] <zax1> is there a "program files" folder somewhere
[11:33] <wimpies> chx : click right and set timezone
[11:33] <zax1> that i can see all my installed programs ?
[11:34] <wimpies> zax1 : no programs can be installed in any location but most are installed in /usr/bin
[11:34] <zax1> ok
[11:34] <chx> wimpies: bah, did that but that did not make the TZ disapperar
[11:34] <wimpies> zax1 : linux uses the path variable to determine where things are
[11:34] <ttread> zax1, most software installs under the /usr folder, you can run find from there
[11:34] <chx> oh!!
[11:34] <chx> local timezone!
[11:34] <chx> finally.
[11:34] <zax1> how do i put them in my Kmenue
[11:34] <zax1> for example
[11:34] <zax1> does VLC come installed by default
[11:34] <zax1> if so where is it ?
[11:35] <wimpies> zax1 : click right on menu, add item, browse the disk and locate the executable
[11:35] <zax1> i mean - where do ui usualy launch apps from if they are not on the Kmenu by default
[11:35] <wimpies> zax1 : a good way to determine where things are is execute which COMMAND from a konsole applciation (should be in the menu)
[11:36] <crweb> zax1: open a konsole, or in the menu click on Run Command:
[11:36] <ttread> zax1, I usually look in Adept to see if things are installed
[11:36] <wimpies> zax1 : I think if you click right on the desktop you can find the ;run' command too ...
[11:36] <zax1> i love it - your enthusiasm capture me - so many helpers
[11:36] <zax1> :)
[11:36] <ttread> For example, in Adept I filter on vlc and it shows a number of packages
[11:37] <wimpies> zax1 : you will need to unlearn lots of windows habits like typing backslashes between directories
[11:37] <wimpies> or c: q: z: ...
[11:38] <zax1> i did that, but couldnt find it - vlc that is. i read somewhere about enabling universe and multiverse and use restricketed format
[11:38] <zax1> but i dont think my menue is similar
[11:38] <zax1> cuz it doesntfollow their instruction
[11:38] <wimpies> zax1 : that is in the /etc/apt/sources.list and yes you need to add program sources that are not 'pure free'
[11:39] <zax1> wimpies, i noticed that already about the habbits  - uphill all the way
[11:39] <zax1> how do i do it wimpie
[11:39] <fatejudger> has anyone here been able to mount samba shares at boot?
[11:39] <wimpies> you can add items using adept
[11:39] <ttread> zax1, yep, vlc is in universe repository, you can enable it from the Adept menu under "Manage Repositories"
[11:39] <wimpies> see 'system; menu
[11:40] <zax1> ttred - what is the diferance between adept and synaptic ?
[11:40] <fatejudger> zax1: QT vs GTK
[11:40] <ttread> zax1, not really any difference in function between the two
[11:40] <zax1> qt? what that ?
[11:40] <wimpies> zax1: they both use the same lower level package database : you can mix then
[11:40] <fatejudger> zax1: a GUI toolkit
[11:40] <wimpies> qt : is the library on which the KDE env is built (like win32 for windows)
[11:40] <zax1> right - that clears up some confusion
[11:41] <ttread> just different UIs
[11:41] <fatejudger> ttread: wtf, that's not right at all
[11:41] <fatejudger> ttread: they use two completely different toolkits
[11:41] <wimpies> tthread : not real UI but rather toolkits
[11:42] <ttread> Ok, sorry, it's more than the UI - but they both use apt underneath
[11:42] <_b> Is anyone using cryptaded hard drive ?
[11:42] <zax1> riht-
[11:43] <zax1> so how do i add the universe, i cant see it in the greyed out lines
[11:43] <wimpies> just add a line
[11:44] <_ben> is there a better html editor other that Quanta?
[11:45] <ttread> zax1, find the lines that start with 'deb' (not deb-src) and contain 'universe', right click and select enable
[11:45] <zax1> but what do i put in whimpies
[11:45] <Captainbraille> I have a question about adept too.. I'm trying to install Wine, there is only instructions on adding a repository to Synaptic, I'm using adept, this is the line.. "deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ binary/"  how do I fix it for adept?
[11:45] <wimpies> That I do not know ...
[11:46] <fatejudger> lol
[11:46] <Captainbraille> lol =)
[11:46] <fatejudger> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:46] <fatejudger> that'll open up a CLI text editor
[11:46] <fatejudger> if you'd rather use kate then do
[11:46] <fatejudger> alt+f2
[11:46] <fatejudger> kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:46] <fatejudger> you'll need to paste that line in the bottom of that file
[11:46] <fatejudger> use whichever method you want
[11:47] <neoncode> ok. automount sucks. when I plug in a USB storage device. it opens konquror to media:/sdb1 and says that it dosen't exist. if find that it's actualy mounted in "/media/sdb1" - oh and the icon for the device doesn't appear on my desktop...
[11:47] <Heinkel> hmmm wish me luck...starting install :)
[11:47] <Captainbraille> When I add the line, this is what I get under distribution "binary/"
[11:47] <fatejudger> ?
[11:48] <zax1> is there a "show desktop button on kubuntu
[11:49] <neoncode> any help?
[11:49] <crweb> zax1: right click on the panel, and add it
[11:49] <ttread> zax1, there is an applet that you can add to the toolbar to show desktop
[11:51] <zax1> its actualy quite intuitive
[11:56] <wimpies> anybody around with dapper install cd knowlegde : I installed and have two problems. 1 - a disks that he wants to mount 2 - the screen resolution after login on KDM switches to a bad setting
[11:57] <wimpies> and when I logout from that erroneous setting kdm crashes
[11:58] <ttread> wimpies, I had a similar problem with changing screen resolution in Dapper,
[11:59] <ttread> It's a documented bug, it either locks the screen or causes X to restart
[11:59] <wimpies> Ah ... I think I will go back to breezy
[12:00] <ttread> You could edit xorg.conf manually
[12:00] <wimpies> ok will try that
[12:02] <wimpies> tthread : xorg.conf seems to be ok (except for not using fglrx Like i had in breezy)


[01:28] <bmatusiak> hi
[02:03] <bmatusiak> anybody working on the proposed dev of ubuntu touch?
[03:29] <TS> Hello?
[03:29] <TS> Hello World!
[05:50] <mihir> TS hey
[07:05] <justCarakas> o/ good morning all
[07:28] <dpm> mzanetti, hey, not bad, Tagger already translated into 15 languages ;) https://translations.launchpad.net/tagger
[07:30] <justCarakas> what does tagger do ?
[07:31] <justCarakas> because it isn't translated to dutch, I wouldn't mind helping with that
[07:32] <nik90> justCarakas: https://launchpad.net/tagger
[07:32] <nik90> app for QR code reader
[07:34] <justCarakas> nice
[07:44] <mihir> dpm: you around ?
[07:52] <mzanetti> dpm: nice :)
[07:56] <mihir> ahh that's nice , at what stage the app is ?
[07:56] <mihir> nik90: ^^
[07:56] <nik90> no idea
[07:57] <nik90> I just read the project description
[07:57] <mihir> okay :)
[07:57] <dpm> mihir, I am, but I'm a bit busy for the next couple of hours. If you've got any question, please feel free to ask it directly instead of pinging first
[07:58] <rpadovani> mzanetti, hey, I'm reviewing your branch. Looks good, just some little type here and there, I'll leave inline comments. But one thing is broke the count() of tags: add a tag from website and assign to a note, refresh with pulldown, the new tag appear in the list, but the tag count reports 0, and I have to restart the app to have '1'
[07:58] <mihir> dpm: question was regarding splash-screen , are we unblocked , if we remove _X-Ubuntu-Splash-Title= ?
[07:58] <dpm> mihir, what do you mean by unblocked?
[07:58] <mihir> dpm: https://code.launchpad.net/~mihirsoni/ubuntu-calendar-app/calendar-splash/+merge/237319
[07:59] <dpm> mihir, I still don't understand
[07:59] <mihir> dpm: the splash merge was blocked because of bug https://code.launchpad.net/bugs/1377896 , translation issues
[07:59] <rpadovani> mzanetti, tldr; the tags.refres() doesn't refresh the count property
[07:59] <rpadovani> well, NotesStore.refreshTags();
[08:00] <dpm> mihir, that bug does not block the merge. Neither the current splash nor the splash in that MP are translated, but they will be once the fix for that bug lands
[08:00] <dpm> that is, there is nothing blocking the MP to land
[08:00] <mihir> dpm: okay popey ^^
[08:01] <mihir> dpm: thank you :)
[08:01] <dpm> mihir, and afaik, we can remove _X-Ubuntu-Splash-Title= if it's the same as Name
[08:01] <dpm> but that's the theory, I guess we'll have to try :)
[08:02] <dpm> popey, music remix branches now on http://people.canonical.com/~dpm/core-apps-sponsoring/
[08:02] <mihir> dpm: okay thank you . i'll do that.
[08:13] <mzanetti> rpadovani: ah, thanks for the testing!
[08:13] <mzanetti> rpadovani: yeah, note things down in the MP
[08:30] <dpm> mzanetti, rpadovani, I'll be there in 2 minutes
[08:30] <rpadovani> cool
[08:41] <davidcalle> zbenjamin, hi
[08:42] <zbenjamin> davidcalle: hey
[08:43] <davidcalle> zbenjamin, I know this is very fresh, but when can we expect the qtcreator "reviewtasks" fixes to be released?
[08:44] <zbenjamin> davidcalle: its in landing already, today or tomorrw
[08:44] <davidcalle> zbenjamin, awesome :)
[08:48] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Fire Prevention Day! :-D
[09:12] <rpadovani> hey oSoMoN, could you ping me when you have 5 minutes for a query, please? :-)
[09:16] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, ping
[09:44] <vitimiti> Hi
[09:55] <nik90> balloons, fginther: Will the jenkins focus issue for clock app be resolved today? (pretty pls :) )
[09:56] <nik90> rpadovani: hey, I remember you having university classes this afternoon, Can you help me with some code reviews when you are back home?
[09:56] <rpadovani> nik90, sure, after 18:00 I think
[09:56] <rpadovani> nik90, or 2night
[09:57] <nik90> rpadovani: cool, thnx..just give me a ping then
[09:57] <rpadovani> sure
[10:16] <mzanetti> dpm: hey, I approved the bouncing progress indicator
[10:16] <mzanetti> dpm: can you test this one? https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/reminders-app/multipleAccounts/+merge/237682
[10:20] <dpm> mzanetti, sure, I'll give it a go as soon as I've fixed UOA on my phone
[10:49] <akiva-thinkpad> mihir, ping
[11:02] <DanChapman> hey, what does this 'ota' & 'ota-1' mean that i'm seeing in bugs and bug-tags? I presume it's a post-rtm thing?
[11:03] <akiva-thinkpad> DanChapman, hmmm good question
[11:03] <DanChapman> popey: ^^ care to enlighten me with your wordly knowledge :-)
[11:04] <popey> over the air update post-RTM
[11:04] <popey> things we expect to ship really soon after release
[11:05] <DanChapman> popey: ahh ok then, makes more sense now. Thanks !! :-)
[11:31] <dpm> hi zbenjamin, it seems I can no longer run Reminders on the emulator due to some click review tools check failures - I think you had a fix for this about to land IIRC? Do you know of any workaround in the meantime? http://i.imgur.com/jOitaqG.png
[11:33] <zbenjamin> dpm: yes if you don't need debug output
[11:33] <zbenjamin> dpm: are you on trusty or utopic?
[11:33] <akiva-thinkpad> dpm, I presume you know how to install them manually?
[11:33] <akiva-thinkpad> dpm, I know how to get around that; nik90 showed me
[11:33] <zbenjamin> dpm: if you are on utopic, the silo7 contains your solution
[11:33] <dpm> zbenjamin, I'm on trusty on this PC
[11:34] <akiva-thinkpad> dpm, http://paste.ubuntu.com/8506701/
[11:34] <zbenjamin> dpm: or that https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/+archive/ubuntu/tools-development
[11:34]  * akiva-thinkpad is not sure if that is what you need.
[11:34] <zbenjamin> dpm: i think bzoltan pushed the newest fix to it
[11:35] <dpm> akiva-thinkpad, I know how to manually install click packages, but that's not what I'm trying to do - I appreciate the help, though
[11:35] <zbenjamin> dpm: yeah the development ppa should have the fix
[11:35] <akiva-thinkpad> Okay sorry :P Its probably to you like me telling you how to use sudo apt-get! of course you know!!!
[11:35] <akiva-thinkpad> :D
[11:35] <dpm> zbenjamin, hm, I thought I was using the development PPA already and I was up-to-date, let me re-check
[11:36] <zbenjamin> dpm: the package is only 50 mins old
[11:36]  * nik90 is on trusty and checks as well
[11:36] <nik90> zbenjamin: it is in
[11:36] <dpm> zbenjamin, do you know the cause of the failures, though? Why does it not recognize i386 as a valid arch, and where does that debug policy (which is not in my .apparmor file) comes from?
[11:37] <dpm> aha, yes, apt-get update shows some new qtcreator packages :)
[11:39] <zbenjamin> dpm: the debug policy is injected by QtC so it can reroute stdout and stderr
[11:39] <zbenjamin> dpm: the i386 arch i don't know, the review tools consider it as invalid arch
[11:39] <dpm> ack
[11:40] <dpm> zbenjamin, ok, I've installed the new QtC, but it still does not launch the app. The only difference now is that 2 of the previous errors are demoted to warnings, but still it doesn't install and run the click
[11:40] <zbenjamin> dpm: the problem with the debug policy is, it would be much nicer if i would inject it after the package has built. But its not so trivial and would make the app startup even slower
[11:41] <zbenjamin> dpm: thats weird
[11:41] <zbenjamin> dpm: how is the branch called again?
[11:42] <dpm> zbenjamin, bzr branch lp:~rpadovani/reminders-app/multipleAccounts
[11:42] <nik90> zbenjamin, dpm: Clock had the same error msg for the i386 issue, but after the update it works as expected. I got a dialog asking if I wanted to ignore the message and then it worked
[11:42] <nik90> dpm: did you see tht dialog?
[11:43] <zbenjamin> nik90: but you get the dialog because of the policy you use, there should be still a error listed
[11:43] <dpm> nik90, no, no dialog after updating QtC, closing it, restarting it and rerunning the app
[11:44] <nik90> zbenjamin: the i386 issue is listed as a warning, not a error anymore
[11:44] <zbenjamin> nik90:  ok, i had to filter that in the plugin ;)
[11:44] <nik90> the only real error is the use of "calendar" which is available only for vetted applications
[11:44] <zbenjamin> nik90: can you check the new devices page? does everything look alright to you?
[11:44] <nik90> (which clock is)
[11:44] <dpm> nik90, yeah, I saw that too, I get a warning now, but no dialog
[11:45] <nik90> dpm: and it still doesn't run on the emulator or phoen for you?
[11:45] <dpm> nope
[11:45] <zbenjamin> dpm: building
[11:45] <nik90> zbenjamin: wow you changed the device details page quite a bit
[11:45] <zbenjamin> nik90: yep :)
[11:46] <dpm> zbenjamin, also, the devices page has some black squares on my PC: http://i.imgur.com/71KKvb4.png
[11:46] <zbenjamin> nik90: do you see black squares also ?
[11:46] <nik90> zbenjamin: no I see no icon at all, https://imgur.com/5q1dToe
[11:47] <nik90> zbenjamin: so at first I didn't know they were clickable
[11:47] <nik90> https://imgur.com/wzS5mUW
[11:47] <zbenjamin> weird ... probably i should include the icon then
[11:48] <dpm> zbenjamin, oh, it lost the kit. I've got no kit assigned to my emulator. Let me see if that fixes it
[11:49] <Orphis> Hey there!
[11:50] <Orphis> I'm working for Spotify, trying to improve the Linux client and implement proper media key support
[11:50] <Orphis> But I'm hitting a bug in dbus-cpp documented here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/dbus-cpp/+bug/1378807
[11:50] <zbenjamin> dpm: it starts for me but i had to choose the reminders2 run configuration
[11:50] <zbenjamin> dpm: since it creates a executable the default cmake plugin also creates a (sadly) invalid runconfig
[11:51] <Orphis> Has anybody any experience with that library? Knows the bug? Has any idea on how I could fix the issue?
[11:51] <dpm> seb128, perhaps you can point Orphis to the right person? ^^
[11:51] <Orphis> That would be awesome
[11:52] <ogra_> Orphis, tvoss is your man :)
[11:53] <dpm> zbenjamin, yeah, I'm familiar with that bug. I seem to remember fixing that was blocked on not all project types using kits, but I'm not sure if I recall correctly. Are we in a better position now to fix that "extra run configs" bug?
[11:53] <zbenjamin> dpm: no, fixing it would break all other cmake projects
[11:54] <zbenjamin> dpm: or refactoring the QtCreator API
[11:54] <zbenjamin> dpm: right now there is no way to choose tell the QtC API that the cmake runconfigs are not compatible with our kits
[11:55] <zbenjamin> dpm: i probably can take another look at it later .. maybe i missed something before
[11:55] <zbenjamin> dpm: nik90: do you get any errors on the console because of the icons?
[11:56] <nik90> zbenjamin: 1 sec, let me open qtc via console
[11:58] <zbenjamin> nik90: just paste the log somewhere i'll sort it out
[11:58] <dpm> zbenjamin, thanks. I think it'd be good to talk about it at the sprint. It currently makes for a bad developer experience, as running apps is a bit of a hit and miss. It happens to me all of the time, but because I know I have to switch run configs, I just do it. But the first time it happened to me I was quite confused and thought the SDK was broken. I could imagine most app developers don't know about the issue and are equally confused
[11:58] <zbenjamin> dpm: agreed
[11:58] <seb128> dpm, Orphis: what library?
[11:58] <zbenjamin> dpm: but most app devs will not hit it because we have only qml based templates, it happens only when you build your own main.cpp
[11:58] <Orphis> seb128: dbus-cpp; tvoss is on the issue already :)
[11:59] <nik90> zbenjamin: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8526422/
[11:59] <zbenjamin> dpm: but it sucks that is true
[11:59] <seb128> Orphis, right, that's the right guy for your questions I think ;-)
[11:59] <zbenjamin> nik90: looks like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1371509
[11:59] <dpm> zbenjamin, well, I don't have stats as to how many devs write QML vs C++. I think QML still wins C++ at this time, but we might have a different picture when we start selling devices
[12:00] <zbenjamin> dpm: agreed
[12:00] <Orphis> seb128: Yup, he gave me some awesome support already :)
[12:02] <nik90> zbenjamin: hmm that fix is going to be released into trusty though :/
[12:02] <akiva-thinkpad> hey check this out http://2buntu.com/touch/device-art-generator/
[12:02] <zbenjamin> nik90: yeah i most likely will have to work around by putting the icons into the qrc
[12:18] <zsombi> nik90: ping, are you destroying any Alarm data that you get using AlarmModel.get() function?
[12:19] <nik90> zsombi: destroy? Not that I can recall.. I don't remember calling alarm.clear() except for in the qml tests
[12:20] <zsombi> nik90: alarm.reset() only clears the alarm data, does not delete it
[12:20] <nik90> zsombi: to delete an alarm I do, var alarm = alarmModel.get(i); alarm.cancel()
[12:20] <zsombi> nik90: that's fine
[12:20] <nik90> zsombi: ok, other than the 2 above methods, I don't do anything to destroy alarm data
[12:21] <nik90> tbh I am not how to do it either way
[12:21] <zsombi> nik90: :)
[12:21] <zsombi> nik90: alarm.destroy() dould do the job.... however you shouldn't do that EVER!!! I'll put that in teh doc ;)
[12:21] <nik90> zsombi: lol
[12:22] <nik90> zsombi: if it should never be used EVER, why are you exposing it in the docs, or were you sarcastic about it?
[12:23] <zsombi> nik90: did I say should NEVER be used?
[12:24] <nik90> zsombi: isn't shouldn't do that EVER and NEVER the same thing in this context? :P
[12:24] <zbenjamin> nik90: can you check if libqt5svg5 is installed for you?
[12:24] <nik90> zbenjamin: sure
[12:24] <zsombi> 15:21 zsombi: nik90: alarm.destroy() dould do the job.... however you shouldn't do that EVER!!! I'll put that in teh doc ;)
[12:24] <zsombi> nik90: from this I'd understand that I should never destroy the returned object...
[12:24] <nik90> zbenjamin: yup I have it, Installed: 5.2.1-1
[12:24] <zbenjamin> t1mp: ^
[12:25] <t1mp> nik90: and /usr/share/icons/suru/actions/scalable/view-expand.svg exists for you?
[12:25]  * nik90 checks
[12:26] <nik90> t1mp: nope I don't have it
[12:26] <zbenjamin> nik90: is suru-icon-theme installed?
[12:26] <nik90> zbenjamin: yup
[12:26] <nik90> zbenjamin: I have the suru folder and the icons in it
[12:26] <zbenjamin> ok then those files are new :/
[12:26] <nik90> but that particular icon I cannot find
[12:26] <zbenjamin> means i need to ship em
[12:27] <t1mp> zbenjamin: or the icon theme needs to be updated on trusty
[12:27] <nik90> zbenjamin: wouldn't backporting ubuntu-suru-icons be easier?
[12:27] <nik90> after all it is just a icon theme
[12:27] <zbenjamin> t1mp: i would vote for that !
[12:27] <zbenjamin> t1mp: but it requires a SRU still
[12:27] <zsombi> nik90: otoh, a delegate can use the "model" role to access the Alarm object, so in cases where the actions are performed on the delegate, there's no need to use the get() function to retrieve the Alarm reference
[12:28] <nik90> zsombi: oh yeah, I could just have done model.cancel() and that would work as well?
[12:28] <zsombi> nik90: and that is even documented
[12:28] <zbenjamin> t1mp: except we backport it ourselfes in the ppa
[12:28] <zsombi> nik90: yes
[12:28] <nik90> zsombi: tbh I don't remember why I did what I did there
[12:28] <zsombi> nik90: perhaps because in the early phases teh "model" role wasn't there
[12:29] <nik90> I suppose
[12:30] <nik90> zsombi: I noticed I can access the alarm properties in a delegate by just doing "type, name, date" etc...couldn't I hence just do cancel() instead of model.cancel() ?
[12:31] <zsombi> nik90: no, because a model can only export roles, cannot export slots
[12:31] <nik90> zsombi: ah .. ok
[12:31] <zsombi> nik90: those you can access now are roles
[12:31] <zsombi> nik90: for convenience the roles are named same way the Alarm properties
[12:32] <zsombi> nik90: "model" role is a QML-is way to expose teh Alarm object itsemf ;)
[12:32] <nik90> ah yes true
[12:39] <dpm> bfiller, have there been any issues with the camera recently that are pending landing? It used to work pretty well, but on the last couple of weeks, starting or using the camera on mako either freezes the whole UI or reboots the device
[12:43] <beuno> jdstrand, it is done.
[12:50] <akiva-thinkpad> jhodapp, oh hey the music-app designer is here
[12:51] <akiva-thinkpad> ah shame ahayzen and vic arent online
[12:52] <akiva-thinkpad> jhodapp, question: Ahayzen and I were discussing the choice to not have a album label on the now playing page, and we decided that it would lead to a bug in cases where no bug was defined.
[12:52] <akiva-thinkpad> what say you?
[12:53]  * DanChapman just sat here and did all the en_GB translations for dekko. "Apparently" you have to click "Save & Continue" after each page and not just "Next".
[12:53]  * DanChapman starts again
[12:55] <akiva-thinkpad> jhodapp, this is a comparison between really the two styles.
[12:55] <akiva-thinkpad> http://i.imgur.com/k15ifrw.png
[12:57] <akiva-thinkpad> jhodapp, this one is better http://i.imgur.com/daNXXMQ.png
[13:00] <dpm> rpadovani, good work with the multiple accounts branch! I've reviewed and added a commend with some design suggestions: https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/reminders-app/multipleAccounts/+merge/237682
[13:01] <jdstrand> beuno: thanks!
[13:02] <rpadovani> dpm, thanks! I haven't freeze on desktop switching account. About the dropdown, I'm not sure to understand what you mean: you *need* to go to online account settings to authorize an account, for security reason
[13:02] <rpadovani> it's impossible that an app could choose to use an unauthorized account
[13:03] <dpm> rpadovani, yeah, I understand that. What I mean is that when you tap on the option, it should go to online accounts, rather than using the Add account button for that
[13:03] <rpadovani> dpm, ah, understood!
[13:04] <dpm> sorry, that was perhaps not too clear on my drawing
[13:08] <mivoligo> mzanetti: hi
[13:08] <mzanetti> hi mivoligo
[13:09] <mivoligo> mzanetti: just wanted to let you know I've added 5 new levels and sent a merge proposal
[13:09] <mzanetti> mivoligo: cool, thanks
[13:09] <mzanetti> will look at it tonight
[13:10] <mivoligo> mzanetti: feel free to rearrange them :)
[13:21] <jdstrand> beuno, sergiusens, bzoltan: hi! do you guys know the status of fat packages these days? like, does the store handle them right? does the sdk? does installing on the device?
[13:22] <beuno> jdstrand, the store does, yes
[13:23] <jdstrand> beuno: what will the store do if it gets an i386 only package (assuming that the click-reviewers-tools says that is ok). it will be accepted but devices won't see it because the arch doesn't match?
[13:23] <beuno> jdstrand, correct
[13:24] <beuno> the reverse case is common, where the emulator is i386 and a lot of packages aren't visible because they are armhf
[13:24] <jdstrand> beuno: right now the scripts don't consider i386 as valid, but it was pointed out to me that makes it difficult for the sdk to deploy on the emulator, so I was thinking of adjusting that
[13:24] <jdstrand> yeah, true
[13:24] <bfiller> dpm: it's related to the location service
[13:24]  * beuno nods
[13:25] <jdstrand> (and then that reminded me of fat packages in general)
[13:25] <bfiller> dpm: camera is trying to instantiate it at startup and it's either hanging or crashing
[13:25] <bfiller> dpm: working on a fix
[13:25] <jdstrand> s/in general//
[13:26] <beuno> jdstrand, a while back, I saw them in use, but had to be built manually
[13:27] <sergiusens> jdstrand: it is handled
[13:27] <beuno> I guess stats by arch is something I should add
[13:27] <jdstrand> sergiusens: and specifying 'multi' in the click manifest is the way, correct?
[13:28] <sergiusens> jdstrand: I have a long overdue task to make click buddy auto build for the aches in the manifest (creating a fat if necessary)
[13:28]  * jdstrand is verifying the click-reviewers-tools
[13:28] <sergiusens> jdstrand: arch: ["i386", "armhf"]
[13:28] <sergiusens> jdstrand: or was it "architectures"? (but you get the point I hope :-)
[13:29] <jdstrand> I do
[13:32] <dpm> ok, thanks for the update, thanks bfiller
[13:33] <dpm> kalikiana, how do I override the translation domain if I want to use something different than app id?
[13:33] <dpm> where and how should I specify i18n.domain?
[13:33] <kalikiana> dpm: either set i18n.domain to set the default, for example in the MainView's Component.onCompleted
[13:34] <kalikiana> or use i18n.dtr("bla", "domain")
[13:34] <dpm> kalikiana, thanks. The second one is not an option, so I think the first should work. mzanetti ^
[13:34] <dpm> kalikiana, can i18n.domain be set in main.cpp too?
[13:37] <kalikiana> dpm: UbuntuI18n* i18n = &UbuntuI18n::instance(); i18n->setDomain("domain");
[13:37] <dpm> jdstrand, it seems that the c-r-t have started throwing errors not detecting i386 as a valid architecture. As an example, this click: http://people.canonical.com/~dpm/click/com.ubuntu.reminders_0.5.latest_i386.click - is this a known bug?
[13:40] <dpm> zbenjamin, a question: does QtC injecting the debug policy in the click package mean that if I publish a click generated with QtC to the store, it will fail the upload? I.e. it will have the 'debug' policy in it, which is not allowed
[13:40] <zbenjamin> dpm: thats why we have the publish page, if you create it there it will be clean
[13:41] <dpm> zbenjamin, I don't quite understand. Do you mean that QtC creates two types of click packages, depending on whether you press the Play button or use the Publish page?
[13:41] <zbenjamin> dpm: thats what i mean
[13:42] <dpm> oh
[13:48] <jhodapp> akiva-thinkpad, I'm not the music-app designer :)
[13:49] <jhodapp> akiva-thinkpad, I'm the backend guy for media
[13:49] <akiva-thinkpad> jhodapp, didn't you do the remix design?
[13:49] <jhodapp> akiva-thinkpad, nope
[13:50] <akiva-thinkpad> o_o sorry :P
[13:50] <akiva-thinkpad> ... who the heck was it then...
[13:50] <akiva-thinkpad> I could have sworn it was you :P
[13:56] <jhodapp> akiva-thinkpad, I forget, but ahayzen should be able to tell you
[13:57] <renato___> mihir, nik90 , ok we got approved from SDK guys (thanks zsombi ) https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/save-alarms-in-local-time/+merge/237598
[13:58] <renato___> mihir, nik90 could you test eds branch again, and check if all still working: https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/qtorganizer5-eds/fix-1311165/+merge/237142
[13:58] <renato___> nik90, you will need SDK branch to test alarms ^^
[13:59] <zsombi> renato___: could you confirm that eds backend does not send itemChanged() signal when the eds data is changed due to non-organizer initiated change?
[14:00] <renato___> zsombi, what do you mean? For example if I change the item with evolution app you do not get the change on QtOrganizer?]
[14:01] <zsombi> renato___: yes
[14:01] <renato___> zsombi, it should works (, I will test it
[14:02] <renato___> zsombi, after my current meeting
[14:02] <zsombi> renato___: ok, just drop me a mail, I
[14:02] <zsombi> I'll be away soon
[14:03] <zsombi> renato___: aaah, no, it does work!!!!!!!!!!!!
[14:04] <zsombi> renato___: awesome ;)
[14:05] <mihir> renato___: :woot: awesome
[14:05] <mihir> renato___: thanks a lot :)
[14:05]  * mihir hugs renato___ :D
[14:07] <renato___> \o/
[14:17] <nik90> zsombi, renato___ : Awesome. Please give me a an hour or two to thoroughly check both the MPs together with the clock app.
[14:31] <fginther> nik90, frantically working on it now
[14:32] <nik90> fginther: sry for the rush,
[14:32] <fginther> nik90, no worries, it needs to be fixed
[14:37] <mhall119> kenvandine: is there something blocking https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/content-hub/lp1373086/+merge/237459 from landing?
[14:37] <kenvandine> mhall119, yes... it FTBFS in the silo
[14:37] <kenvandine> because it now has translations... imported from LP :)
[14:37] <kenvandine> Elleo has a branch
[14:37] <kenvandine> mhall119, so soon
[14:42] <dpm> nik90, is bug 1376513 something that needs to be fixed in the clock app or somewhere else on the platform?
[14:42] <nik90> dpm: clock-app
[14:42] <nik90> dpm: I will try to get that implemented this weekend
[14:42] <dpm> ok, thanks
[14:42] <dpm> awesome :)
[14:44] <mhall119> kenvandine: ah cool
[14:50] <nik90> zsombi, renato___: Works good. Tested clock app with both the MPs. I commented in the MPs.
[14:50] <renato___> nik90, thanks
[15:13] <fginther> nik90, balloons, https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/sync-bottomedge-sep08/+merge/236604 passed \o/
[15:13] <balloons> oO
[15:13] <fginther> nik90, balloons switched out the WM from fvwm to xmonad
[15:13] <nik90> fginther: woohoo yay..thnx
[15:14] <balloons> fginther, awesome. Yea, I found xmonad worked great locally in tests, as it autofocused the window on launch
[15:14] <nik90> fginther, balloons: I presume the xmonad change is only for clock jenkins? or for jenkins as a whole?
[15:14] <fginther> balloons, I wish I had discovered that fvwm was in use a few days ago, became a real simple update
[15:15] <fginther> nik90, this does apply to all testing at this time
[15:15] <balloons> fginther, ohh.. heh, so a wm was already running, just not a useful one
[15:15] <balloons> either way, this is good stuff
[15:15] <nik90> fginther: cool, this should make the testing environment more comparable to the user environment
[15:15] <balloons> yep yep
[15:16] <fginther> balloons, exactly :-), although I have some fondness for fvwm
[15:17] <fginther> balloons, thanks for doing the investigation on the WM to use
[15:37] <mzanetti> popey: hmm... this is interesting: http://i.imgur.com/EFBoFAH.png
[15:37] <popey> i have had that
[15:37] <popey> its submitted and you can go in and manually to the rest of the steps
[15:37] <popey> bueno ^
[16:00] <m-b-o> DanChapman: Hi, are you around?
[16:12] <balloons> m-b-o, hey ,how are you!
[16:13] <m-b-o> balloons: fine, thanks and yourself?
[16:13] <balloons> excellent
[16:15] <m-b-o> balloons: started the weather app with this new cpp extension for TimeZones. No way to get the app started out of QtcReator, do you know?
[16:17] <balloons> m-b-o, what do you mean get the app started?
[16:18] <balloons> m-b-o, this? https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-weather-dev/ubuntu-weather-app/timezone-plugin/+merge/237613
[16:18] <nik90> m-b-o: You need to open the CMakeList.txt file in Qtc, and if the cmake file has been properly configured, you should be able to run it fine by qtcreator. Qtc will automatically build the plugin when you press the green run button.
[16:19] <m-b-o> balloons: wll, that didn't happen. I'Ve followed the steps in http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-clock-dev/ubuntu-clock-app/utopic-3.0/view/head:/README.developers to get it run
[16:23] <rpadovani> nik90, ping for review
[16:23] <nik90> rpadovani: hey, let me grab the MPs
[16:24] <balloons> m-b-o, so you are a-ok now then?
[16:24] <nik90> rpadovani: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-clock-dev/ubuntu-clock-app/utopic-3.0/+activereviews
[16:24] <nik90> rpadovani: You need to start from 10-alarm-change onwards..
[16:24] <nik90> rpadovani: ignore the top 2
[16:25] <m-b-o> balloons: if there would be a way to star the app from QtC, it would be cool to do so
[16:25] <rpadovani> nik90, gotcha
[16:25] <nik90> rpadovani: Also you don't need to review the qmltest files in those MPs. They have already been looked at by elopio.
[16:25] <rpadovani> thanks elopio :D
[16:25] <nik90> rpadovani: and finally, these Mps are for the release tomrrow..so not required to complete the review tonight if you are busy
[16:26] <rpadovani> nik90, nah, itś ok
[16:27] <nik90> cool, thnx mate
[16:34] <nik90> rpadovani: don't top approve yet, since I need to update the debian changelog and also merge trunk (trivial stuff) which I am doing one by one. I will top approve once I do it.
[16:35] <rpadovani> nik90, gotcha
[16:35] <rpadovani> nik90, https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/11-remove-utils/+merge/237047/comments/583292
[16:35] <nik90> rpadovani: cool, will fix
[16:48] <nik90> rpadovani: fixed the comment in the above MP ^^
[16:51] <rpadovani> nik90, https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/12-alarm-list-design-spec/+merge/237177
[16:55] <nik90> rpadovani: ah I did the code so since if the text is hidden, it still calls alarmUtils.get_time_to_next_alarm(model.date - localTime) which is unnecessary cpu wastage. hence when the alarm is disabled, I give it a static text.
[16:56] <rpadovani> nik90, makes sense
[17:05] <rpadovani> nik90, done
[17:05] <nik90> rpadovani: btw no need to code review https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/14-sync-listitem-actions-oct5/+merge/237189. It just syncs up with upstream code which was already reviewed. If you want you can just test on phone to see if it caused any regressions
[17:05] <nik90> rpadovani: cool, thnx a lot
[17:06] <nik90> rpadovani: I am merging them one by one as they are dependent on each other and so jenkins cant merge them all at once
[17:06] <rpadovani> nik90, you're welcome. I left a little comment on 13 about another way to implement an if, that IMO is better, but they are tastes :-) Anyway, I approved it
[17:07] <nik90> rpadovani: I am taking a look atm
[17:08] <nik90> popey: shall we start the clock meeting?
[17:08] <popey> nik90: sorry, didn't realise we had an overlap! lets
[17:10] <DanChapman> m-b-o hey :-) have you managed to get it to run? sorry i havn't had a chance to get back to looking at dholbach's packaging changes. It was working before that just jenkins wouldn't have any of it.  I'll branch it now if you are still having issues
[17:11] <m-b-o> danChapman heyho! :) Yes, got it run. But not out of Qtc, though.
[17:12] <akiva-thinkpad> ahayzen, ah how goes it?
[17:12] <dpm> m-b-o, what's the issue you're having with getting it to run? How are you trying to get it to run?
[17:13] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, hey good thanks afternoon lectures today :) lol
[17:14] <m-b-o> dpm: Using the TimeZone Extension in QML and run it from within QtC fails.
[17:14] <m-b-o> dpm DanChapman " module "TimeZone" is not installed"
[17:14] <DanChapman> m-b-o it's just run straight off the bat from QtC for me. Ahh... i still have the TimeZone plugin installed from last time.
[17:15]  * DanChapman gets rid of that
[17:15] <m-b-o> I'Ve followed http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-clock-dev/ubuntu-clock-app/utopic-3.0/view/head:/README.developers than and that works, but outside of QtC
[17:16]  * dpm reads doc
[17:21] <dpm> m-b-o, ah, so the issue you're having is to run the weather app + plugin from QtC! Sorry, I thought it was the other way round. What's the error you are getting?
[17:21] <m-b-o> dpm  " module "TimeZone" is not installed"
[17:22] <ahayzen> balloons, in response to your comments this mp was waiting for someone to review it... at the time my url-dispatcher had decided music:// should open facebook lol and victor was/is unable to use adt ... https://code.launchpad.net/~andrew-hayzen/music-app/add-url-dispatcher-tests/+merge/233840
[17:22] <dpm> m-b-o, ok, so it's not finding the module in the expected location. Are you running it on a desktop kit or on the emulator?
[17:23] <m-b-o> dpm desktop
[17:23] <DanChapman> m-b-o: dpm ok so looking at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-weather-dev/ubuntu-weather-app/timezone-plugin/view/head:/plugins/CMakeLists.txt#L26 seeing as no -I plugin/path/TimeZone is being passed to qmlscene apart from the $@ then would it not be looking for the plugin in ${QT_IMPORTS_DIR}/TimeZone and not ${QT_IMPORTS_DIR}/qt5/qml/UbuntuWeather/TimeZone/
[17:25] <dpm> m-b-o, DanChapman, the other issue is that with reminders, terminal and file manager, where we've got this same setup, we have a rule in cmake that copies over the compiled plugin to the build directory, and adds the build directory to the list of locations where the plugin is looked for, so that you don't need to install it on the system. I'm not sure if that branch has that rule, I've not looked at it
[17:30] <mzanetti> rpadovani: addressed all your comments
[17:31] <rpadovani> mzanetti, see, I'm on it. Nevermind for layout of delegate, let do it in another branch
[17:33] <rpadovani> mzanetti, about the message, I wrote the wrong thing: if you don't have any tag, and you go to the tab of tags, there isn't any message
[17:33] <rpadovani> I think you have to add something here
[17:41] <snizzo> mhall119: ping
[17:42] <mhall119> snizzo: pong
[17:43] <snizzo> mhall119: I'd like to know if I'll receive my tshirt for being a pioneer :)
[17:51] <snizzo> ...
[17:51] <snizzo> I'm losing faith...
[17:52] <snizzo> brb
[17:54] <mzanetti> rpadovani: done
[18:18] <mihir> popey: you wanted me to revoew ubutu_title from splash MR , correct?
[18:20] <popey> mihir: no, i think it should still be there for now.
[18:21] <mihir> popey: okay i recalled it, need to test from Calendar to Month view how does it go :|
[18:21] <popey> yeah
[19:54] <mihir> security_template_exists (apparmor-push.json): specified unsupported template 'ubuntu-push-helper' , need to install anything?
[19:56] <jdstrand> mihir: what version of click-reviewers-tools do you have? you need 0.15
[19:56] <mihir> jdstrand: how do i check that?
[19:57] <jdstrand> apt-cache policy click-reviewers-tools
[19:58] <mihir> jdstrand: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8528803/
[19:58] <mihir> okay i need to upgrade my click-reivew tools
[19:58] <jdstrand> yeah
[19:58] <mihir> this one too regarding that correct, 👎 error: security_template_push_helper(apparmor-push.json): template is not 'ubuntu-sdk' ?
[19:59] <jdstrand> if I understand your question, yes, you want to use the ubuntu-push-helper template in apparmor-push.json
[20:00]  * mihir upgrades
[20:10] <balloons> rpadovani, ping
[20:10] <rpadovani> balloons, pong
[20:11] <balloons> rpadovani, calculator doesn't seem to save calculations anymore between runs. It should be saving them right?
[20:12] <rpadovani> balloons, after you swype them up, yes
[20:13] <rpadovani> balloons, r329 works well on mako devel, where are you testing?
[20:13] <rpadovani> balloons, do you have any output log?
[20:16] <balloons> rpadovani, I'm playing with it on the desktop atm
[20:16] <balloons> rpadovani, ahh I see.. heh
[20:16]  * balloons notes we should have a test for that
[20:17] <rpadovani> balloons, mhh, what's wrong? I'm able to save them also on desktop
[20:17] <balloons> rpadovani, right.. I am too. I was just confused
[20:17] <rpadovani> balloons, popey says that the app will be redesigned soon :-)
[20:18] <balloons> fginther, ping
[20:18] <balloons> fginther, check out the giant calculator :-) http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/generic-mediumtests-utopic-python3/814/artifact/ubuntu_calculator_app.tests.test_simple_page.TestSimplePage.test_swipe_to_delete_calculation.ogv
[20:19] <mivoligo> mzanetti: I forgot to mention I didn't update enemies waves in level.json files but you probably noticed that :)
[20:20] <balloons> fginther, so did you set the size for the window?
[20:24] <balloons> fginther, testing locally I set the xserver size to 400x600, and that emulated the phone size properly. If I left it as 1024x768 you get weirdness with xmonad on some apps
[20:26] <fginther> balloons, :-( Let me fix that
[20:37] <nik90> fginther, balloons: I saw it for clock as well, but it didnt affect the tests
[20:37] <nik90> balloons: it seems clock test is failing on https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/12-alarm-list-design-spec/+merge/237177
[20:38] <nik90> balloons: I didn't seem to make any change that part of the code. But I can reproduce the failure locally as well.
[20:40] <balloons> nik90, ok, so how to fix?
[20:40] <nik90> balloons: yeah I am not sure what changed. I need to upgrade my VM after like 3 months and run autopilot vis to see what changed
[20:41] <balloons> nik90, so you feel it's legit or not?
[20:41] <nik90> balloons: its certainly not jenkin's fault :)
[20:42] <nik90> balloons: but the annoying part is that it fails at the very last step of the test http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/generic-mediumtests-utopic-python3/813/testReport/junit/ubuntu_clock_app.tests.test_alarm/TestAlarm/test_add_recurring_type_alarm_must_add_to_alarm_list_random_/
[20:43] <balloons> nik90, ohh swipe to delete did change
[20:43] <balloons> but it's been some time
[20:43] <nik90> balloons: yeah but I am using custom swipe to delete (due to custom listitem with actions)
[20:45] <nik90> balloons: the function it fails at is https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-clock-dev/ubuntu-clock-app/utopic-3.0/view/head:/tests/autopilot/ubuntu_clock_app/emulators.py#L519
[20:52] <popey> balloons: you mentioned previously that someone (I don't recall who) might be able to help with AP tests for the new tab feature in terminal? https://code.launchpad.net/~flscogna/ubuntu-terminal-app/uri-and-tabs/+merge/237353
[20:52] <balloons> popey, yes senan was going to work on it
[20:52] <balloons> I've not seen him in a couple days
[20:57] <mihir> jdstrand: hey i am still getting that error while build it , i upgraded my system and it shows it has 0.15  click-review tools.
[20:57] <mihir> jdstrand: my bad error is different ,👎 error: security_template_exists (apparmor-push.json): specified unsupported template 'ubuntu-push-helper'
[20:58] <jdstrand> mihir: hrmm, try 'rm ~/.cache/click-reviewers-tools/apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu.json' and then try again
[21:01] <mihir> jdstrand: that works , thanks :)
[21:04] <nik90> balloons: quick question, I remember autopilot vis (long time) used to highlight an item in the UI when you click on the object tree items.
[21:04] <nik90> balloons: do you know how to enable it?
[21:04] <balloons> nik90, use autopilot3 vis
[21:04] <nik90> ah thnx
[21:04] <nik90> I should update the readme docs
[21:04] <balloons> yea, I get confused sometimes too
[21:05] <balloons> it's correct in the readme
[21:05] <balloons> btw, I shamelessly modified it and using it for my calc mp :-)
[21:05]  * nik90 looks silly
[21:05] <nik90> balloons: lol
[21:06] <nik90> balloons: I wrote that guide to help noobs like myself
[21:10] <nik90> balloons: if you got some time, I need help debugging this clock failure together
[21:10] <balloons> nik90, I would love to help, but I need to finish this work on calc first
[21:11] <nik90> ok, I will try some things out meanwhile
[21:11] <balloons> ahayzen_, you about?
[21:11] <ahayzen_> balloons, yep
[21:12] <balloons> ahayzen_, well, heh, technically I'm playing with the old music app so you don't care :-)
[21:12] <ahayzen_> balloons, heh i have the job of syncing it with remix so i do care a little ;)
[21:16] <ahayzen_> balloons, so what are you working on the old app for?
[21:16] <balloons> ahayzen_, so I'm trying to fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/music-app/+bug/1379488
[21:17] <balloons> ahayzen_, as part of that, I'm going to be dropping support for patching home on the device
[21:17] <balloons> well, I'd like to try and do that anyway
[21:17] <ahayzen_> yep ... balloons note i have branches up ready to put confinement back in (which is yet to be testing with autopilot ;) )
[21:17] <ahayzen_> balloons, ok so what would it do instead?
[21:18] <balloons> ahayzen_, nothing. IT would be up to the test runner to make sure the device is clean during test runs
[21:18] <balloons> I'll leave basic mocking for the desktop for now
[21:18] <ahayzen_> balloons, so we would copy things directly into ~/Music ?
[21:18] <balloons> ahayzen_, yep
[21:18] <ahayzen_> balloons, so what would happen to all my music on the device?
[21:20] <balloons> ahayzen_, nothing. the tests would fail though as-is
[21:20] <balloons> you would need to run with adt-run to ensure you have a safe env setup
[21:21] <balloons> ahayzen_, we'll be talking more about this in a couple weeks at the sprint, but here's the metabug for it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-app-launch/+bug/1376423
[21:21] <ahayzen_> balloons, 'safe env setup' what does that involve does it create a new profile? or move all my music somewhere else or what?
[21:22] <balloons> ahayzen_, I'm making these changes now, or thinking about it, because it's causing issues again in CI
[21:22] <ahayzen_> oh yeah i remember seeing that bug
[21:22] <balloons> ahayzen_, I would rather not do anything until we have a better plan in place, but just wanted to give you the heads up
[21:22] <ahayzen_> balloons, is causing all those failures on utopic CI or is that something else?
[21:22] <balloons> ahayzen_, yes
[21:22] <ahayzen_> balloons, but RTM was fine at last check lol
[21:23] <ahayzen_> balloons, ok so cut to the chase... what do we need to do to music-app autopilot then?
[21:26] <joehannes> hey guys ... what's the normal way to create a db-driven ubuntu app with JS/HTML?
[21:26] <balloons> ahayzen_, I'll propose mp's you needn't worry about it
[21:26] <balloons> ahayzen_, we can keep the patch working by doing this: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~nskaggs/ubuntu-calculator-app/precompiled-qml/revision/333
[21:26] <balloons> but I'm considering just gutting everything
[21:27] <ahayzen_> balloons, ok thanks :)
[21:27] <balloons> if I can get it to work
[21:27] <balloons> nik90, alright, I can help you out for a bit
[21:28] <nik90> balloons: ok so I am bit confused at the failure message I got
[21:28] <nik90> AttributeError: Class 'AlarmDelegate' has no attribute 'swipe_to_delete'.
[21:28] <nik90> when does that happen?
[21:29] <nik90> I thought it was timing error. So I added a sleep(10) in between that time to confirm it
[21:29] <nik90> but it is not a timing issue
[21:30] <nik90> and the MP I linked shows the code diff to AlarmDelegate.qml which is causing them failure. I am certain that it didn't change anything related to swipe delte
[21:30] <nik90> delete*
[21:32] <balloons> nik90, it's not a timing issue. As it says it doesn't understand swipe_to_delete
[21:32] <balloons> are you sure you have an instance of the object you think you do?
[21:33] <nik90> balloons: I think I found the issue (but do not know the syntax to fix it)
[21:33] <nik90> balloons: here is the old object tree in trunk https://i.imgur.com/L9uq0bx.png
[21:33] <nik90> balloons: here is the new one
[21:33] <nik90> https://i.imgur.com/SBIWRwY.png
[21:33] <nik90> do you see the difference?
[21:34] <balloons> can you expand the new one? but yes my guess is yo udon't have the object you think you do :-)
[21:34] <balloons> so just tweaking a select is probably all we need to do
[21:34] <nik90> yup the listitemwithactions object type got changed into AlarmDelegate object type
[21:34] <balloons> there you are ;-)
[21:34] <balloons> cool I'll assume you are sorted!
[21:35] <nik90> yup :-)
[21:36] <fginther> balloons, how are you forcing 400x600 resolution? X doesn't appear to like this for me
[21:39] <nik90> balloons: quick question, in https://i.imgur.com/uuzd8wv.png, how do I refer to AlarmDelegate as a class type? Previously I did class ListItemWithActions(ubuntuuitoolkit.UbuntuUIToolkitCustomProxyObjectBase):
[21:39] <balloons> fginther, you are using xvfb right? So -screen 0 400x600x24
[21:39] <nik90> balloons: however doing class AlarmDelegate(ubuntuuitoolkit.UbuntuUIToolkitCustomProxyObjectBase): doesnt seem to do it
[21:39] <fginther> balloons, ahh, these tests have always been using X
[21:40] <fginther> k
[21:40] <fginther> let's figure this out
[21:40] <nik90> in the context of https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-clock-dev/ubuntu-clock-app/utopic-3.0/view/head:/tests/autopilot/ubuntu_clock_app/emulators.py#L519
[21:42] <balloons> fginther, so locally I'm running like so http://paste.ubuntu.com/8529327/
[21:43] <fginther> balloons, thanks, that helps
[21:44] <rpadovani> balloons, seems your copy and paste has to be improved :P
[21:44] <rpadovani> https://code.launchpad.net/~nskaggs/ubuntu-calculator-app/drop-fixtures/+merge/237848
[21:46] <balloons> fginther, I based that on autopilot3-sandbox-run.. not sure if using that script directly would be helpful or not.
[21:48] <balloons> rpadovani, ack, thank you.. pushed the fix
[21:49] <rpadovani> balloons, good, do you mind if I wait until tomorrow to test it on device? I'm a bit tired right now
[21:50] <nik90> rpadovani: btw I got an email about your webbrowser branch
[21:50] <nik90> rpadovani: did you check with osomon before?
[21:50] <balloons> rpadovani, if you can approve without it, I've been asked to get this fixed asap. Obviously you needn't say you tested on the device :-)
[21:50] <nik90> rpadovani: last time I checked he said he wanted it to first land in the SDK before using it in the webbrowser app.
[21:51] <rpadovani> nik90, sure, I'm working on implementing some feature for history, and your bugs will be fixed
[21:51] <rpadovani> nik90, oh, well, we didn't talk of details of implementation, I'll ping him tomorrow
[21:52] <rpadovani> balloons, ok, but if it will destroy the world is your fault, not mine :P
[21:52] <rpadovani> balloons, you have a go
[21:55] <balloons> rpadovani, ack
[22:02] <nik90> fginther: hope this is not a bad time to ask, but if you look at http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/ubuntu-clock-app-ci/buildTimeTrend, after the WM fix, the build times have significantly increases from ~6mins to ~50mins. Was this expected?
[22:04] <fginther> nik90, In this case, multiple ubuntu-clock-app-ci jobs all started at the same time, but the only one autopilot job could execute at a time, so most of that time was just waiting
[22:05] <nik90> fginther: ah ok
[22:13] <fginther> balloons, xvfb is setup now and passed the first few tests
[22:14] <balloons> fginther, ack, awesome
[22:14] <balloons> I'll try landing the calc mp
[23:24] <balloons> rpadovani, any chance you are still around?
[23:24] <rpadovani> balloons, maybe :-)
[23:25] <balloons> rpadovani, one more quick calc mp.. I wanted to toss this in. It fixes the asserts so you get the proper result when there is more than one
[23:25] <balloons> https://code.launchpad.net/~nskaggs/ubuntu-calculator-app/fix-ap-asserts/+merge/237874
[23:25] <balloons> I want to get it merged and do a release so everything is fixed
[23:25] <rpadovani> I'm on it
[23:27] <balloons> rpadovani, I reverted the Screen.qml whitespace change hehe
[23:28] <rpadovani> balloons, yes, your mr lgtm, and the implementation seems very elegant :-)
[23:29] <rpadovani> balloons, ok, top approved, I think I'll go to sleep now, last 4 days were very intensive :D
[23:29] <balloons> rpadovani, thank you much.. new calc for you in the morning ;-)
[23:29] <rpadovani> \o/
[23:47] <vitimiti> Bye


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[02:36] <mup> Bug #1542761 opened: MAAS will not import images and there is no error as to why <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1542761>
[20:28] <nagyz> haasn, RAID needs 1.9 AFAIK
[20:28] <haasn> nagyz: yeah saw that as well after upgrading to 1.9
[20:29] <nagyz> no idea about the virsh stuff but if it's a bug then go ahead and open it
[20:29] <nagyz> ah reading back I see you've found it :)
[21:59] <haasn> heh
[21:59] <haasn> maas update from 1.8 to 1.9 made the entire subnet unreachable
[22:00] <haasn> because while in the past it would default to using the external DHCP addresses when assigning web servers, it now defaults to “auto assign” which means the first vm I deployed ended up as X.X.X.1, which is the same address as my gateway
[22:00] <haasn> that was a “fun” bug to track down
[22:00] <haasn> it would be great if I could reverse this behavior without having to “upgrade” back to 1.8
[22:00] <haasn> s/when assigning web servers/when deploying nodes/
[22:08] <haasn> or even better: get the IP that was offered via DHCP during the commissioning phase, and then use that as a static IP
[22:08] <haasn> that would be the best-of-all worlds solution
[22:08] <haasn> Also, the default should be configurable rather than “auto assign”
[22:10] <haasn> Or even better: if no network range is configured for the cluster controller, the “auto assign” options shouldn't even be *available*
[22:11] <haasn> It *can't* reasonably auto-assign an address if the cluster controller is unavailable
[22:11] <haasn> I mean if the network range is unavailable


[01:27] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[04:37] <M_aD> morning
[06:22] <ducasse> good morning
[17:51]  * M_aD found some cd's of Ubuntu 7.04, 8.04, 8.10 and 9.04
[17:54] <joelcrump> they must be old if they fit on a cd
[17:54] <M_aD> joelcrump: those were the days
[17:55] <joelcrump> win10 won't even fit on a single layer dvd anymore.. but linux will :)
[17:55] <M_aD> and memory usage with Gnome 2 on a 32 bit system was 195 to 200 MB
[17:55] <joelcrump> hmm wow
[17:55] <M_aD> after loadding the desktop
[17:56] <daftykins> actually the UK flavour win 10 does, it seems the US one is 1GB larger though
[17:56] <joelcrump> oh?
[17:57] <joelcrump> interesting
[17:57] <daftykins> but... optical media in 2020? i'd fall asleep during boot ;D
[17:57] <joelcrump> yeah i keep saying i'm gonna buy a usb drive but i have a whole stack of dvd5s that i want to use up
[17:57] <joelcrump> and since i'm not running win10 anymore i can
[17:58] <daftykins> i have dozens of flash drives with various OS installs or tools that i have on hand in my backpack when out and about at clients premises
[18:02] <joelcrump> the last win10 build i burned to a disk was 1809 (not surprisingly since that happened to be the build that deleted people's data and had other flaws that linux doesn't have)
[18:04] <daftykins> there have in fact been similar dramas reported in 'buntu's upgrade history, but try not to buy into these ramblings - it's just what passes for so called tech 'journalism' today
[18:05] <joelcrump> well no one's asking for perfection, but these issues with win10 are just bonkers to me
[18:05] <daftykins> the vast majority don't get any issues at all, but it's cool to rag on issues and spread the ol' finger pointing, so it persists
[18:05] <joelcrump> i mean 1809 didn't delete my data (i didn't even keep hardly anything in my user folder in the first place anyway), but i found other flaws
[18:08] <daftykins> overall i'm definitely not a fan of the new model, but it's definitely daft what people believe from reading pieces online
[18:10] <joelcrump> if you mean regarding win10, it's true that it's a subset of users, but how can i be assured i'm not part of that?
[18:11] <daftykins> that will be true of every OS in the context of upgrades
[18:13] <joelcrump> that is true, but not one linux distro i've tried has had any significant problem and moreover they don't fix what isn't broken.. that's what i see win10 doing in recent times, take something that has nothing wrong with it and make it different and not as good as it was before
[18:13] <daftykins> so i take it you don't provide support, then? if you haven't seen upgrade issues
[18:14] <joelcrump> oh i'm not expert on linux, no
[18:15] <joelcrump> i just learn what i need to install and use
[18:15] <daftykins> oh i don't mean being an expert, just that i helped out in #ubuntu for over a decade and saw plenty of fail
[18:16] <daftykins> your claim that Linux is better off is... amusing shall we say :D
[18:16] <joelcrump> i will see what happens in october when i try the upgrade to 20.10, but even if it did mess up, i could just reinstall clean
[18:17] <joelcrump> i will make backups in case
[18:17] <daftykins> again, true of every OS
[18:17] <daftykins> will you learn anything by wiping and not fixing? no
[18:17] <joelcrump> if i could figure out how to fix it i would
[18:17] <daftykins> there would be no better time to start than when something goes wrong
[18:17] <joelcrump> that's true
[18:18] <daftykins> that decade of support i mention? i did that from Windows - i don't even use desktop Linux - only servers
[18:18] <joelcrump> oh i see
[18:18] <joelcrump> well i am using a windows irc client :)
[18:19] <daftykins> i SSH to a VM to use irssi with screen
[18:20] <joelcrump> i would find console irc clients to be chaotic, too long using mirc
[18:22] <daftykins> the only chaos would be visiting #ubuntu with one during troll o'clock
[18:22] <joelcrump> yeah when i was looking at the list of ubuntu channels i kinda thought this one would be more my interest
[18:24] <rfm> Some time ago ubuntu (maybe debian?) basically got rid of /[s]bin, putting everything in /usr/[s]bin and symlinking /[s]bin to usr/[s]bin.   Yet /[s]bin are still in the default PATH in /etc/environment.
[18:24] <daftykins> and?
[18:25] <rfm> It seems untidy, but the real question is: I already totally override the /etc/environment path in my .profile, anybody see any reason not to clean /[s]bin out of there?
[18:27] <rfm> This actually just bit me, because I wanted to find which package had a command in it so I did "dpkg -S `which <command>`' and which found it in /sbin but dpkg couldn't find /sbin/<command> (since it was in /usr/sbin)
[19:58] <Jordan_U> rfm: I can't think of any reason not to remove it myself.
[19:59] <Jordan_U> rfm: If you wanted to be cautious, you also just move it to be after /usr/{s,}bin/ in $PATH .
[20:29] <rfm> Jordan_U, in fact I see /usr/environment does just that, but my .profile didn't, so I shot myself in the foot.  I decided to be bold and take it out.
[20:31] <daftykins> had it persisted in the same form through upgrade(s)?
[20:35] <rfm> do you mean /etc/environment?  The one I checked was a recent fresh install.  My ~/.profile is the one I've been copying around from machine to machine since I changed from csh to ksh about 30 years ago...
[20:37] <daftykins> yeah i meant lingering ~ cruft