[20:02] <valorie> @RikMills & @Rick_Timmis - I was very sorry to hear of the death of your Queen yesterday. She's been the monarch my entire life


[06:36] <pragomer> hi. where to put grub while an efi-installation?
[06:38] <pragomer> to sda or to sda2 (which is called "Windows Boot Manager")
[06:56] <diogenes_> pragomer, for efi installer you have to create a separate partition 500MB, vfat formatted and mounted as /boot/efi
[07:41] <jamessun> Hello, I have a question concerning Xubuntu 16.04 LTS. My laptop is ASUS X554L and Fn+F5/Fn+F6 shortcuts for brightness control do not work, although I tried acpi osi solution and documentation does not mention my problem. What am I supposed to do to solve this issue?
[10:17] <samvdkris> test


[03:16] <IdleOne> !desktop
[03:19] <IdleOne> both done ^
[03:22] <IdleOne> !e
[03:23] <IdleOne> !enlightenment
[03:23] <IdleOne> ubottu: enlightenment is <alias> e
[03:23] <IdleOne> !-enlightenment
[03:24] <IdleOne> err ok
[03:24] <Flannel> IdleOne: she didn't tell you what !enlightenment was because she just did moments earlier
[03:24] <IdleOne> yeah, I figured.
[03:25] <chu> Wasn't an e17 stable released (finally) a few months ago?
[03:25] <Flannel> yes!
[03:25] <chu> So, that factoid is slightly out of date anyway :p
[03:25] <Flannel> chu: end of the world, I believe.
[03:25] <chu> True.
[03:25] <chu> "No point updating anything, the world's gonna end anyway"
[03:26] <IdleOne> !e17 was released. Kiss your wife/husband and tell your kids you love them!
[03:27] <chu> Haha
[06:24] <IdleOne> hey vvmelody
[06:27] <vvmelody> yoyo
[06:27] <IdleOne> Anything we can help you with?
[06:27] <vvmelody> nope
[06:28] <IdleOne> What made you join here?
[06:28] <IdleOne> oh, the guidelines points to this channel
[06:28] <vvmelody> ;)
[06:28] <IdleOne> ok, well. plz2notidlehere :)
[12:13] <DJones>                   Pangolin 12.04)Ugh
[12:14] <DJones> Ugh
[12:14] <DJones> !lts
[12:14] <DJones> Can somebody changed the !lts factoid to 5 years for desktop from 12.04
[12:15] <Myrtti> [citation needed]
[12:16] <DJones> www.wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS "starting with Ubuntuy 12.04 LTS, both versions will receive 5 years support"
[12:16] <DJones> (without the y)
[12:19] <DJones> !LTS is LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu have historically been supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server; starting with 12.04 LTS (Precise Pangolin), both versions will be supported for 5 years. The current LTS version of Ubuntu is !Precise (Precise Pangolin 12.04)
[14:07] <ikonia> hi totem
[14:08] <totem> hi ikonia
[14:08] <ikonia> what do you want ?
[14:08] <totem> ikonia, why I can't join #ubuntu-offtopic?
[14:08] <ikonia> because you're banned for your foolish behaviour
[14:08] <totem> oh i see
[14:09] <ikonia> lets be honest/real - you know what you are doing and you're trying to cause a problem,
[14:09] <totem> i think my irc client is broken
[14:09] <ikonia> not interested in your irc clients stabilty
[14:09] <ikonia> so I suggest playing your silly games elsewhere
[14:09] <ikonia> totem: lets stop wasting time, you leave this channel and find another place to waste peoples time
[14:10] <totem> okay thanks
[14:10] <totem> good job
[14:10] <ikonia> thanks
[14:10] <ikonia> bye
[14:10] <totem> ikonia, may you kick me? please
[17:31] <Ronalds_M> hello
[17:31] <bazhang> hello Ronalds_M
[17:31] <Ronalds_M> can somebody please unban me from main ubuntu chat
[17:31] <bazhang> Ronalds_M, why were you banned there
[17:31] <Ronalds_M> I wan't to get java working with firefox :>
[17:31] <Ronalds_M> I was banned for spam, etc
[17:31] <bazhang> spam?
[17:32] <Ronalds_M> probably cause I asked rhetorical questions
[17:32] <Ronalds_M> too much
[17:32] <bazhang> trolling?
[17:32] <Ronalds_M> no, thats something else
[17:32] <Ronalds_M> why would I troll about my favorite os
[17:33] <bazhang> one of your comments was trololol windows 8
[17:33] <Ronalds_M> it was about the guy who obviously was trolling
[17:35] <Ronalds_M> I will try not to interfere with support there
[17:35] <Ronalds_M> even if they have to support a lot of trolls
[17:36] <Ronalds_M> I founded off topic chat for random talking about things
[17:36] <bazhang> Ronalds_M, I've noticed you using #kubuntu for support
[17:37] <Ronalds_M> I was
[17:37] <bazhang> Ronalds_M, lets leave it like that for now, I'm not prepared to remove your ban in #ubuntu
[17:38] <Ronalds_M> but I'm not using kde, since it had app in it, that makes cursor go to center
[17:38] <Ronalds_M> I should use kubuntu support for ubuntu?
[17:38] <bazhang> Ronalds_M, you can use askubuntu.com / ubuntu forums for now
[17:39] <Ronalds_M> I am there but no need for a topic in forum
[17:39] <Ronalds_M> maybe you know why
[17:39] <Ronalds_M> Just found that your browser is not Java plug-in installed.
[17:39] <Ronalds_M> even if I have both 6, 7 version installed
[17:41] <Ronalds_M> ok, whatever, will find it myself on google, but I feel bad about ban
[17:42] <Ronalds_M> I'm sorry about spam etc
[22:19] <totem> oh sorry wrong channel


[00:13] <ubuntu_> Hello, I am trying to install 12.04 on a Raid0 array and I get the following error: "Executing 'grub-install /dev/mapper/isw_jddjaejcg_ARRAY1' failed."
[00:13] <ubuntu_> Can anybody help?
[00:18] <pdtpatrick> https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/advanced-installation.html
[00:58] <Patrickdk> heh
[05:30] <Gallomimia> has anyone ever experienced problems installing phpmyadmin and related packages such as php and apache2 and mysql? i did the mysql and php prior to apache2 actually, and i suspect it messed something up
[05:34] <ChmEarl> Gallomimia, tasksel -> LAMP Server
[05:36] <Gallomimia> er... looks scary. what are the other things that are checked? basic ubuntu server and openssh server. should i uncheck them?
[05:39] <Gallomimia> still no admin
[05:51] <pdtpatrick> Gallomimia: what problems are u having ?
[05:51] <Gallomimia> ah, i think my first problem is i don't know wtf i'm doing :/
[05:51] <Gallomimia> but what i've been trying to get working is phpmyadmin
[05:52] <pdtpatrick> have u seen this page?
[05:52] <pdtpatrick> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/phpMyAdmin
[05:52] <pdtpatrick> does "dpkg -l phpmyadmin" show it installed?
[05:52] <Gallomimia> no i'll give that a read first thanks
[05:52] <pdtpatrick> np
[05:52] <Gallomimia> hm it does
[05:53] <Gallomimia> i have some conf swimming to do i think.
[05:53] <pdtpatrick> does /etc/apache2/apache2.conf have "Include /etc/phpmyadmin/apache.conf"
[05:53] <Gallomimia> apres parachute i will check
[06:09] <Gallomimia> pdtpatrick: that was it exactly. i was lead to believe there were all sorts of scripts to make sure that happened. so certain i ran a bunch of them...
[06:09] <pdtpatrick> so ur all set now ?
[06:10] <Gallomimia> nah i have to spelunk for where i want to accept any domain name or expressly require one..
[06:11] <Gallomimia> gotta be 10 years since i did apache cfg's
[06:11] <pdtpatrick> i c
[06:11] <Gallomimia> wasn't even version 2. i better read the whole damn manual again :)
[06:14] <Gallomimia> hey pdtpatrick i really appreciate the handholding. i don't know how i get by without irc :/
[06:15] <pdtpatrick> np - Glad to have helped
[10:41] <miceiken> Hey, anyone around?
[10:41] <miceiken> Can't seem to be able to send mails from my server, although I can receive them perfectly fine
[10:48] <alix1> hi
[10:53] <alix1> I am using 12.04 on which vmbuilder fails with
[10:53] <alix1> Failure trying to run: chroot /tmp/tmpoqZJXv mount -t proc proc /proc
[10:54] <alix1> did anyone experienced anything similar ?
[13:52] <idealities> Hi, has anyone come accross a server simetimes auto reboot, and lighttpd without reponse after start about one hour, and sometimes the server didn't reponse for all services like kernel panic, but can not find any message about this in /var/log/* ?
[13:55] <ahxcjb> you wouldn't
[13:56] <ahxcjb> you will need to attach a remote debugger to the server in question
[13:56] <ahxcjb> contact ubuntu support for details on how to perform this if you are unaware
[13:58] <idealities> remote debugger?
[14:17] <JonEdney> When I log into my 12.04 server, it says "6 packages can be updated".  I run sudo apt-get upgrade and I get this "The following packages have been kept back: linux-headers-server, linux-image-server, linux-server.  3 not upgraded"
[14:17] <JonEdney> Is sudo apt-get upgrade not the command?
[14:19] <idealities> sometimes you need to mannuly sudo apt-get install them
[14:19] <qman__> no
[14:19] <qman__> you need apt-get full-upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade
[14:20] <qman__> the normal upgrade leaves those out as they require the installation of new packages
[14:20] <JonEdney> Ah, I didn't know that.
[14:21] <JonEdney> full-upgrade pulled invalid operation, dist-upgrade worked.  Thanks.
[14:48] <txomon|home> can anyone explain me what is the aim of putting a "manual package selection" entry in the mini iso install, if it makes the installation fail ? (doesn't configure some packages correctly)
[14:48] <txomon|home> how can I fill a bug against that?
[14:51] <qman__> txomon|home, that's not really a bug, manual package selection is an advanced option, and manually selecting the wrong packages can result in a broken system
[14:51] <Resistance> indeed
[14:51] <Resistance> !crosspost | txomon|home
[14:51] <txomon|home> qman__, I marked lubuntu-core
[14:51] <txomon|home> and just that
[14:52] <txomon|home> nothing more
[14:52] <qman__> in that case, everything that lubuntu-core does not depend on, was not selected
[14:52] <txomon|home> I marked "Openssh-server" "Lubuntu minimal installation" and "Manual package installation"
[14:52] <qman__> undoubtedly leaving a lot of stuff missing
[14:52] <txomon|home> then aptitude came to me
[14:53] <txomon|home> and I pressed g
[14:53] <txomon|home> qman__, dependencies where satisfied
[14:54] <txomon|home> you can replicate that
[14:54] <txomon|home> was something wrong with xorg, but dont know exactly what
[14:56] <txomon|home> more over, aptitude is designed in theory to satisfy dependencies, so unless you select incompatible packages, it should not crash
[14:56] <qman__> txomon|home, my point is, you didn't select other needed things
[14:57] <txomon|home> qman__, do we agree that when you select something "Selecting Installation Components" dependencies are going to be satisfied?
[14:58] <qman__> txomon|home, yes, but just because dependencies are satisfied, doesn't mean your system will work as intended
[14:58] <txomon|home> and that if you want to, apart from that, select manually one more package (for example git), you have to check the "Manual package installation"
[14:58] <txomon|home> qman__, ... git package makes crash?
[14:59] <txomon|home> _any_ package makes crash!?
[14:59] <txomon|home> moreover, if you don't touch anything, it crashes?
[15:00] <txomon|home> its a nonsense
[15:01] <JonEdney> Is there a 12.10 daily build for server?
[15:01] <Resistance> 12.10...?
[15:01] <Resistance> Quantal?
[15:01] <JonEdney> Yeah.
[15:01] <Resistance> !12.10
[15:01] <Resistance> ^
[15:01] <Resistance> having said this i havent seen any quantal isos yet, but i'm not exactly looking actively
[15:02]  * Resistance points at the system he's slowly restoring from an old drive
[15:02] <txomon|home> Resistance, any idea on my question?
[15:02] <JonEdney> I was just curious really, have no real need for it.
[15:02] <JonEdney> Thanks Resistance
[15:03] <Resistance> txomon|home:  i think qman__ is a better candidate to help you
[15:04] <txomon|home> oki
[15:04] <Resistance> i'm strongly busy trying to get data off a mostly-crupted drive atm
[15:06] <txomon|home> qman__, I am once more in the
[15:06] <txomon|home> fuck ESC == enter
[15:07] <IdleOne> !language | txomon|home
[15:07] <txomon|home> component installation menu
[15:08] <txomon|home> IdleOne, I pressed a key that screw up the last 10 minutes of my life
[15:10] <Resistance> txomon|home:  nevertheless
[15:10] <Tm_T> txomon|home: there's no excuse for bad behaviour.
[15:10] <Resistance> we try to keep this a "family friendly" environment
[15:10] <txomon|home> ok, sorry
[15:10] <IdleOne> txomon|home: Well, in that case, to hell with the community guidelines.
[15:22] <kakabesola> need help please!
[15:22] <txomon|home> !ask
[15:24] <kakabesola> need help about port nating please
[15:29] <txomon|home> be more specific, say what you want to do, which resources have you found. And you can also formule a question
[16:39] <Gallomimia> pdtpatrick: why might i now be seeing this message? ssh: connect to host ***** port 22: Connection refused after last night's installation i feel like ssh has been halted. need a way to turn that back on
[16:39] <pdtpatrick> make sure ssh is running
[16:40] <pdtpatrick> on the server you are trying to connect to .. you can run "dpkg -l openssh-server" to see if it installed. And also check whether port 22 is listening "netstat -lanp | grep :22"
[16:40] <pdtpatrick> if it isn't installed, then install the package. If it is installed and not listening, then run "sudo service ssh restart"
[16:41] <Gallomimia> ah yes. how am i to do this when i have no ssh access
[16:42] <ahxcjb> use a lights out card
[16:42] <Gallomimia> the server is 4000 miles away. YOU use a lights out card
[16:42] <ahxcjb> then more fool you for putting yourself in that position
[16:42] <Gallomimia> pretty sure i managed to uninstall it last night using tasksel
[16:43] <ahxcjb> Gallomimia: is this for a business?
[16:43] <Gallomimia> not.... really
[16:43] <ahxcjb> oh, so it is
[16:43] <Gallomimia> yes but it's not a business
[16:43] <Gallomimia> it's just a club
[16:43] <ahxcjb> so then you have no excuse; you should have a server with an iLO / IPMI card
[16:43] <ahxcjb> DRAC etc, whatever.
[16:43] <ahxcjb> expecting to manage a server remotely without a lights out card shows naivety of the highest order
[16:44] <Gallomimia> its a rented vds. there won't be too much trouble i think
[16:45] <ahxcjb> VDS?
[16:45] <ahxcjb> what is this?
[16:45] <Gallomimia> virtual dedicated server
[16:46] <ahxcjb> oh, a VPS
[16:46] <ahxcjb> so you'll have lights out capability then
[16:52] <qman__> any decent VPS provider gives you a 'local' shell recovery option
[16:52] <qman__> godaddy isn't a decent VPS provider, and they're the only one I know of that calls it VDS
[17:08] <ahxcjb> Gallomimia: so basically, message is, don't buy cheap
[17:09] <Gallomimia> i actually dont control the account under which it's rented. so i'll ask that guy what options there are
[17:09] <JanC> actually, some dedicated server / VPS providers use a cheaper alternative to iLO/IPMI cards: PXE booting of a rescue image...  ;)
[17:10] <qman__> yeah, that's fine too as long as it works
[17:11] <qman__> there's plenty of options with much better service in the same price range as godaddy, and there's plenty of cheaper ones with the same or better service
[17:11] <qman__> they're selling on the name alone
[17:11] <JanC> since when godaddy has a good name ?  ;)
[17:11] <Gallomimia> haha
[17:11] <Gallomimia> all those big titted girls in white t shirts did that
[17:12] <JanC> I always new them as the place to go to when you want to be ripped off
[17:12] <Gallomimia> certainly not with good business practices, customer service, or community engagement
[17:12] <Resistance> !topic
[17:12] <JanC> knew them*
[17:12] <Resistance> bah
[17:12] <Gallomimia> sorry
[17:12] <Gallomimia> so back on topic the bug in tasksel is awesome.
[17:12]  * Resistance needs to dig around the factoids again
[17:13] <Gallomimia> "no i don't want to install something called openssh. ssh works fine" turns into " remove all ssh servers from the system"
[17:13] <qman__> not a bug, tasksel shows already selected tasks
[17:13] <Resistance> ^
[17:13] <qman__> if you deselect something, that means remove it
[17:13] <Resistance> yep
[17:13] <Resistance> openssh is required for SSHd
[17:13] <Resistance> (ssh daemon, aka SSH server)
[17:14] <Resistance> or rather... the package openssh-server is needed... last i checked, anyways
[17:14] <qman__> yes, that's the provided and supported sshd
[17:14] <JanC> well, there are at least 3 other ssh server implementations available in Ubuntu, I think  ;)
[17:15] <JanC> but openssh-server is supported & most used
[17:15] <JanC> OTOH, is tasksel still supported?
[17:16] <JanC> outside of initial install maybe?
[17:19] <qman__> not sure
[17:19] <qman__> I heard that it was being deprecated but it's still in there and it still works
[18:09] <Resistance> in iptables / ip6tables, can IPv4 rules be applied to IPv6?
[18:09] <Nafallo> depends on the rule, I'd say.
[18:10] <Resistance> Nafallo:  take, for example. this IPv4 rule: iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 2222
[18:10] <Resistance> -j ACCEPT
[18:10] <Resistance> blah, evil keyboarxd
[18:10] <Resistance> Nafallo:  take, for example. this IPv4 rule: iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 2222 -j ACCEPT
[18:11] <Resistance> would that rule be able to be applied to ip6tables?
[18:11] <Nafallo> looks fine to me.
[18:11] <Nafallo> why don't you just try it somewhere?
[18:11] <Resistance> because iptables is on the fritz locally
[18:12] <Resistance> (segv-ing, i think its not completely installed or something)
[18:12] <Resistance> and if i'm using iptables-persistent, where do i store the rules?
[18:12]  * Resistance likes persistent rules :P
[18:16] <JanC> Resistance: does your FritzBox device have (proper) support for IPv6?
[18:17] <JanC> most home routers have no or only broken support for IPv6, unfortunately
[18:18] <JanC> you might be able to fix that using OpenWRT or such (if the device has enough RAM & CPU power)
[18:19] <Resistance> JanC:  my home network doesn't support IPv6, but the University networks do
[18:19] <Resistance> so i need Ipv4 and IPv6 rules
[18:19] <Resistance> and i need em to match :P
[18:25] <tarvid> I have drupal installed at /var/www/drupal and 7 virtual sites symlinked at /var/www/drupal/sites; 6 work but the one virtual with the same name as the server throws an error;
[18:25] <tarvid> HTTP Error 500 (Internal Server Error): An unexpected condition was encountered while the server was attempting to fulfill the request.
[18:26] <tarvid> is that because the virtual has the same name as the server?
[18:28] <JanC> Resistance: by "on the fritz", ar you referring to a Fritzbox device (something quite common in Europe), or something else like saying it's broken...? ;)
[18:28] <Resistance> JanC:  sigsegvs
[18:28] <Resistance> <Resistance> because iptables is on the fritz locally
[18:28] <Resistance> <Resistance> (segv-ing, i think its not completely installed or something)
[18:29] <Resistance> to show you the logs of exactly what i said
[18:30] <JanC> Resistance: what I mean: is your PC segv'ing or a home router?
[18:31] <Resistance> JanC:  the system itself, PC
[18:31] <Resistance> the router isnt using iptables :P
[18:31] <Resistance> (because the router's a linksys entry-level router and i really dont have any method to control what software it uses)
[18:31] <JanC> "Fritz" happens to be the brand name of a range of linux-based broadband routers in continental Europe  ;)
[18:31] <tarvid> iptables is part of the kernel and is always installed
[18:31] <Resistance> tarvid:  its glitching up, with segvs, on here
[18:32] <Resistance> JanC:  lol, 'fritz' is American slang for "It's not behaving"
[18:32]  * Resistance should have been more precise
[18:33] <JanC> Resistance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FRITZ!Box  ;)
[18:33] <Resistance> heh
[18:33] <Resistance> JanC:  before this router, i had a server box sitting as the gateway, but then it went and fizzled (it literally caught fire because there's not enough AC here at this location)
[18:34] <Resistance> AC = Air Conditioning
[18:34] <JanC> ugh
[18:35] <Resistance> yep, that wasnt a fun day
[18:35] <JanC> Resistance: did you try using ufw ?
[18:36] <Resistance> JanC:  nope, dont like UFW.  not precise enough for my uses of iptables.
[18:36] <JanC> (it should do the right thing for IPv6, after you enable it in the ufw config
[18:36] <JanC> ah
[18:36] <Resistance> JanC:  i think i'll just reinstall, this might be a botched upgrade-in-place causing iptables to explode
[18:37] <JanC> I'd say iptables exploding is a security issue no matter what
[18:37] <JanC> so please report it before doing a e-install
[18:37] <Resistance> yeah, but it didnt do this on my clean-install Ubuntu 12.04 desktop
[18:37] <JanC> re-install
[18:37] <Resistance> so i know the iptables works normally
[18:37] <JanC> doesn't matter
[18:37] <JanC> it should never ever segfault
[18:37]  * Resistance doesnt have the time to report this as a bug right now
[18:37] <Resistance> indeed
[18:38] <Resistance> but i've had this happen with most programs 85% of the upgrade-in-place upgrades
[18:38] <Resistance> this is why i prefer clean installs :P
[18:38] <JanC> maybe make a backup of your config and report from a VM in the future, or something
[18:38] <Resistance> mhm
[18:39] <Resistance> actually, i dont think its segv=ing on iptables at all...
[18:39]  * Resistance just noticed a new issue
[18:39] <Resistance> even if i type 'sh' it segv's
[18:39]  * Resistance wonders if this is a really botched upgrade in place
[18:39] <JanC> Resistance: my main system has been upgraded in place since 2006 or so  ;)
[18:39] <JanC> Resistance: broken glibc or such?  ;)
[18:39] <Resistance> JanC:  well this is the sandbox environment, not the production server :P
[18:39] <Resistance> might be
[18:40] <Resistance> (the production server's still Lucid)
[18:40] <JanC> might be some plugin too
[18:40] <Resistance> hmm
[18:40] <Resistance> could be
[18:40] <JanC> try to find that out
[18:41] <Resistance> might do that, but as this sandbox needs to be online in Precise to test the migrations from Lucid to Precise that were ordered from someone far above my pay-grade, i have to get this operational by work-day tomorrow
[18:41] <Resistance> (so before morning otmorrow)
[18:41] <JanC> pam, nsswitch, etc. all support plugins that might cause issues possibly
[18:42] <JanC> so if your server has anything custom...
[18:42] <Resistance> shouldn't, apart from hardware
[18:42] <Resistance> which might be a breaking point
[18:43] <JanC> bugs can be subtle & weird
[18:44] <Resistance> i know right?
[18:44]  * Resistance is on the BUgSquad and has some really oddball bugs in his triage duties
[18:44] <JanC> I remember there was a bug in Ubuntu that only showed up on certain thursdays or something like that, for example  ;)
[18:44] <JanC> haha, you sure must have seen weird stuff then
[18:46] <Resistance> mhm
[18:46] <Resistance> few things that were caused by the leftovers from Debian that were synced to Precise but never checked
[18:46] <Resistance> :P
[18:46] <Resistance> s/few/and a few/
[18:48] <JanC> the bug I'm talking about was because of the way OOo created PDF files triggered a bug in CUPS (or ghostscript?) on certain file creation dates, or something like that  ;)
[18:49] <Resistance> ah lol
[18:49] <JanC> the people who ever found that bug should get a medal for it  ;)
[18:49] <Resistance> that's a wierd one :P
[18:49] <Resistance> and i agree
[18:49] <Resistance> although i've got a few bugs in my day
[18:49] <Resistance> and gotten a few feature-request bugs pushed into Debian :P
[18:50]  * Resistance refers to the patch he made that closed an LP and a Debian bug/feature request to have PHP use unix sockets by default instead of listening on <IP_ADDRESS>:9000
[18:50] <Resistance> and it was included in Debian :P
[18:50] <JanC> nice
[18:50] <Resistance> well... for the 5.4.x series
[18:50] <Resistance> (which isnt in Ubuntu yet, but should be)
[18:50] <Resistance> (since 5.3.x is semi-oldish)
[18:50] <JanC> maybe you can request it for -backports?
[18:51] <Resistance> nah, i'm talking for Quantal
[18:51] <Resistance> i've got a version of 5.4 in a PPA
[18:51] <Resistance> but QUantal should update
[18:51] <Resistance> s/PPA/private repository/
[18:51] <JanC> if it's in Debian, it should go into Quantal automatically
[18:52] <Resistance> its not in Sid though
[18:52] <Resistance> last i checked at least
[18:52] <Resistance> can ubottu check debian repos?
[18:53] <JanC> you can check yourself on packages.debian.org  ;)
[18:53] <Resistance> yeah, but i'm lazy :P
[18:53] <Resistance> (and i'm upgrading ffox plugins)
[18:54] <Resistance> testing: 5.4.0-3
[18:54] <Resistance> unstable: 5.4.3-1
[18:55] <Resistance> imo that should have been included in Precise, but it wasnt included
[18:58] <Resistance> well. now i have to get Windoze back on this system </annoyed> to do the sharepoint dev stuff i have to do >.>
[18:58]  * Resistance shall return later
[18:58] <Resistance> whoops wrong channle sorry
[19:58] <pangolin_dns_cra> anyone been able to figure out the new DNS settings in 12.04 LTS ?
[19:58] <pangolin_dns_cra> I am having a nightmare..
[19:58] <pangolin_dns_cra> the dns-search string in the /etc/network/interface file is completely ignored
[19:59] <pangolin_dns_cra> really really frustrated with 12.04 server...
[20:00] <pangolin_dns_cra> anyone here ?
[20:00] <JanC> are you using network-manager?
[20:01] <pangolin_dns_cra> no.. its' the server
[20:02] <pangolin_dns_cra> I do not understand how ubuntu knows that I am running a dns server on <IP_ADDRESS> without any entries in interfaces file, or resolv.conf
[20:02] <pangolin_dns_cra> somehow it knows!!!.. very frustrating.
[20:03] <pangolin_dns_cra> and I cannot get ubuntu to honor the "search xzy.local xzy.com" lines in resolv.conf
[20:03] <pangolin_dns_cra> complete frustrated..
[20:03] <ikonia> yeah, you said that
[20:03] <pangolin_dns_cra> going to have to switch to debian soon and sumd ubuntu.
[20:03] <pangolin_dns_cra> "dump ubuntu"
[20:04] <JanC> .local is used by mDNS
[20:05] <JanC> if you have Avahi installed (or some equivalent)
[20:05] <pangolin_dns_cra> but.. i am using ".xyz.local" internetall
[20:05] <ikonia> pangolin_dns_cra: ok, good luck with debian
[20:05] <pangolin_dns_cra> :)
[20:05] <pangolin_dns_cra> no avahi.... unless it is installed by default
[20:06] <JanC> pangolin_dns_cra: avahi will try to handle all of *.local (if it's installed)
[20:07] <pangolin_dns_cra> no avahi ..
[20:08] <JanC> okay, so that's not the issue (still, using *.local for anything but mDNS/SD is probably not a good idea)
[20:08] <JanC> but that probably is a legacy thing  ;)
[20:10] <JanC> pangolin_dns_cra: what does your /etc/nsswitch.conf look like?
[20:10] <ikonia> pangolin_dns_cra: I assume you've looked at the new dnsmasq setup ?
[20:10] <pangolin_dns_cra> hosts:          files dns [NOTFOUND=return] mdns4_minimal mdns4
[20:12] <pangolin_dns_cra> how to check dnsmasq
[20:12] <pangolin_dns_cra> where are the config files for dnsmasq
[20:12] <JanC> hm, I have: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4
[20:13] <ikonia> as I recall (I've not got my head fully around this yet) it points at a local dns masqserver that then forwards your dns requests based on connection (it's to help with vpn solutions)
[20:13] <pangolin_dns_cra> I tried it both ways... no effect
[20:15] <JanC> ikonia: then localhost should be in resolv.conf?
[20:15] <ikonia> JanC: I think that's right
[20:15] <ikonia> I checked it out a few days after release, but lost interest in it as I didn't like the concept
[20:15] <JanC> well, localhost or another local IP/domain
[20:15] <pangolin_dns_cra> wierd part is that somehow ubuntu knows that there is bin9 runnign on localhost and it uses it.. even if there are no entries in the /etc/network/interfaces files or resolv.conf
[20:15] <pangolin_dns_cra> .. somehow ubuntu knows..
[20:15] <ikonia> JanC: yeah, you get the idea
[20:16] <ikonia> pangolin_dns_cra: it knows because of dnsmasq
[20:16] <ikonia> dnsmasq is querying
[20:16] <pangolin_dns_cra> @ikonia.. that is no dnsmasq
[20:16] <JanC> ikonia: dnsmasq shouldn't be able to do that unless configured in resolv.conf
[20:16] <pangolin_dns_cra> I check the entire etc filesystem
[20:17] <pangolin_dns_cra> find /etc | grep -i masq ----- gives me no listing
[20:18] <JanC> and the same is true about BIND  ;)
[20:18] <pangolin_dns_cra> @JanC , I can give you access to my machine... I truly am frustrated.
[20:18] <pangolin_dns_cra> ubuntu 12.04 is using magical glue.
[20:18] <JanC> there are other ways top resolve addresses outside DNS
[20:18] <JanC> to
[20:19] <JanC> /etc/hosts, NIS, LDAP, databases, etc.
[20:20] <pangolin_dns_cra> i know
[20:20] <JanC> caches
[20:20] <pangolin_dns_cra> vanilla install
[20:20] <pangolin_dns_cra> no NIS
[20:20] <pangolin_dns_cra> no LDAP
[20:20] <pangolin_dns_cra> no databases
[20:20] <pangolin_dns_cra> ... vanilla install with SSH / LAMP / BIND enables on install screen
[20:20] <JanC> hm
[20:22] <JanC> weird
[20:22] <JanC> and I have no 12.04 server installs
[20:23] <pangolin_dns_cra> ok wait a sec..
[20:23] <pangolin_dns_cra> you got ssh ?
[20:23] <JanC> ssh is installed by default on all Ubuntu systems AFAIK  ;)
[20:24] <JanC> so yeah
[20:24] <pangolin_dns_cra> ok.. fire up ssh and login to this box.
[20:25] <pangolin_dns_cra> is there a place I can send you the password  ?
[20:25] <JanC> PM ?
[20:25] <JanC> or jabber if you prefer
[20:25] <pangolin_dns_cra> .. err.. not very good at IRS..
[20:25] <pangolin_dns_cra> .. ok.
[20:25] <pangolin_dns_cra> gmail chat ?
[20:26] <pangolin_dns_cra> IRC ..
[20:27] <pangolin_dns_cra> not good at IRC .. send me a chat request at my gmail.. plz.
[20:29] <pangolin_dns_cra> ragarwal74
[20:32] <pangolin_dns_cra> anyone.. wondering if thera are other IRS resources.
[20:32] <pangolin_dns_cra> i am burned the bluk of my weekend on this.
[20:32] <pangolin_dns_cra> i need to get this running.. or switch os
[21:26] <Klackon> anyone here knowledgeable about resolv.conf ?
[21:26] <Klackon> or dns ?
[21:27] <Klackon> hello
[21:27] <Klackon>  ?
[21:27] <Klackon> anyone here ?
[21:27] <RoyK> yep
[21:27] <RoyK> what about it?
[21:28] <Klackon> I installed 12.04 LTS, vanilla install.. and I cannot configure it to honor "search" paramater in the resolv.conf file
[21:28] <RoyK> can you pastebin resolv.conf?
[21:29] <Klackon> are you familier with resolv.conf and the /etc/network/interfaces file ?
[21:29] <RoyK> !ask
[21:29] <RoyK> yes, I am :)
[21:30] <Klackon> I need to know what you mean by pastebin ... new to irs
[21:30] <RoyK> !pastebin
[21:31] <Klackon> !pastebininit
[21:31] <Klackon> !pastebinit
[21:32] <Klackon> http://paste.ubuntu.com/986209/
[21:33] <RoyK> looks good - what happens if you try to resolve a dns entry? try 'host somehost' where 'somehost' exists in that zone
[21:34] <Klackon> the "xxxx.yconnect.local" hosts are not accessible with their names
[21:34] <RoyK> can you resolve them with 'host xxxx'?
[21:34] <RoyK> that's a direct dns request
[21:34] <RoyK> start there
[21:34] <Klackon> the "xxxx.yconnect.net" work just fine.. in face they work even if I were to take out the "search" line... and even the "nameserver" line.. which is really weird.
[21:35] <Klackon> see here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/986215/
[21:36] <Klackon> so the dns server is working and responsing to the query, but resolv.conf is not able to do it's magic
[21:36] <RoyK> song.yconnect.local.yconnect.local has address <IP_ADDRESS> <-- do you administer this dns server? looks like it's misconfigured
[21:36] <Klackon> a .ha.. so a bind mistake then ?
[21:37] <RoyK> looks like you have $ORIGIN yconnect.local and then given song.yconnect.local as the hostname, so that $ORIGIN is added after that
[21:37] <Klackon> bind files: http://paste.ubuntu.com/986218/
[21:39] <Klackon> should I delte line 33 fron my db.yconnect.local  ?
[21:40] <Klackon> OMG... I am missing a trailing "." in my $ORIGIN directive.
[21:40] <RoyK> :)
[21:42] <Klackon> OMF*********G.  I wasted my whole weekend on a ".".. 4 reinstalls.
[21:42] <Klackon> I will never forget this!
[21:42] <RoyK> :)
[21:42] <RoyK> single character errors are classic
[21:42] <Klackon> I am humbles RoyK
[21:42] <Resistance> RoyK:  i know, right?
[21:42] <Resistance> :P
[21:42] <Klackon> I am humbled!!! thank you!
[21:42] <RoyK> np :)
[21:43] <Klackon> it took you 15 seconds.... thank you.. really... you are a genius!
[21:43] <Resistance> RoyK:  who decides what gets included in ubuntu server, in terms of server packages (such as php5)?  and if you can answer, do you believe php5 will be synced to Quantal at some point?
[21:44] <Resistance> version 5.4.x of php5
[21:44]  * Resistance was not specific enough
[21:44] <RoyK> erm - I don't quite follow what parts of php5 thaat gets in
[21:45] <RoyK> seems 5.3 is in precise
[21:45] <Resistance> mhm
[21:45] <Resistance> but a few days later 5.4.x appeared in sid
[21:45] <Resistance> so since 5.4.x is in sid, would that get included into Quantal?
[21:46]  * Resistance isnt certain which the dev-release repos sync from during the scheduled syncs
[21:46] <RoyK> to be honest, I don't know
[21:46] <Klackon> I do hav another question for you.. however... even if I delte all references to my <IP_ADDRESS> local bind server from the /etc/network/interfaces file, and /etc/resolvconf files.., ubuntu is still able to tell that a dns server i srunning locally.  how does ubuntu know
[21:46] <Resistance> i'll poke -devel, then, they might know
[21:46] <Resistance> or +1
[21:47] <RoyK> Klackon: no idea :þ
[21:48] <RoyK> Resistance: what's new in php5.4?
[21:48] <Klackon> Question 1: Ubuntu uses the <IP_ADDRESS> as dns server, even if it not specified in the /etc/resolv.conf file (or config files) or even in the /etc/network/interfaces file.
[21:48] <Resistance> RoyK:  apart from some security updates, and changes in the default confs for fpm?
[21:48] <RoyK> fpm?
[21:49] <Resistance> !info php5-fpm
[21:49] <RoyK> k
[21:49] <Klackon> Question 2: Even if I use the directive "dns-nameserver <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS>" in the /etc/network/interfaces file, /etc/resolv.conf only gets the "nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>" entery... ubuntu chews out the <IP_ADDRESS> entry.. any ideas ?
[21:50] <RoyK> Resistance: perhaps someone has a php 5.4 ppa?
[22:30]  * RoyK just bought a new watch http://karlsbakk.net/bilder/ny-klokke.jpg
[22:31] <jacobwg> Does anyone know how to set the default gateway interface?  My laptop (running Ubuntu server) keeps choosing eth0 as the default gateway and I want it to choose wlan0
[22:34] <jacobwg> Basically, eth0 connects to a LAN-only network with no internet access and wlan0 connects to a wifi network with internet access.
[22:34] <jacobwg> But, it keeps choosing eth0 as the default gateway
[22:37] <RoyK> jacobwg: hm.. usually it should choose the nic automatically after the network on which the default gateway is situated
[22:37] <RoyK> jacobwg: what are the ip addresses of eth0/wlan0?
[22:37] <jacobwg> RoyK: eth0 - <IP_ADDRESS>, wlan0 - <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:38] <jacobwg> RoyK: local traffic works as expected, however route -n shows <IP_ADDRESS> -> eth0
[22:38] <RoyK> and default gateway is set to what?
[22:38] <jacobwg> RoyK: I would assume eth0 as there's that <IP_ADDRESS> -> <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:39] <jacobwg> I tried adding a gateway line in /etc/network/interfaces, but as wlan0 is configured via dhcp, I'm not sure if that did anything
[22:40] <RoyK> jacobwg: can you pastebin 'netstat -rn'?
[22:40] <jacobwg> RoyK: Sure, one sec
[22:41] <jacobwg> RoyK: http://pastebin.com/d2xgsNeW
[22:42] <jacobwg> I think I want that first line to read <IP_ADDRESS> instead of <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:42] <RoyK> yep, that makes perfectly sense
[22:42] <RoyK> <IP_ADDRESS> is available on eth0 because that's the nic that has access to that network
[22:43] <jacobwg> Right, but don't I want that first line (default route) to go to <IP_ADDRESS> on wlan0 instead of eth0
[22:44] <RoyK> then set default gateway to <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:44] <jacobwg> RoyK: I tried changing it via ip route add default via 192… but it reset on reboot
[22:44] <RoyK> it's set to <IP_ADDRESS>  now
[22:45] <RoyK> ip route is a runtime thing
[22:45] <RoyK> is this machine configured with dhcp?
[22:45] <jacobwg> Yes
[22:45] <RoyK> then change that
[22:45] <jacobwg> Go static on the interface?
[22:45] <RoyK> yep
[22:46] <jacobwg> Hmm… I guess that's okay… we shall see how my network likes it.
[22:46] <RoyK> dhcp and lots of nics doesn't mix very well
[22:50] <jacobwg> RoyK: okay, so now it won't create the network - it is a wifi network
[22:50] <jacobwg> RoyK: I'll pastebin the interfaces file
[22:54] <jacobwg> RoyK: still working to get it back on the network so I can copy and paste the file...
[22:55] <RoyK> jacobwg: there's some iwconfig/interfaces magick that needs to be done to make it work without dhcp
[22:56] <jacobwg> RoyK: Here's the file http://pastebin.com/14ufeiT8
[22:57] <jacobwg> RoyK: if I take eth0 down via ifdown eth0, then internet works…
[22:57] <RoyK> jacobwg: I don't think using dhcp in combination with static will work too well
[22:58] <jacobwg> RoyK: so, set both static?
[22:58] <RoyK> yep
[22:59] <jacobwg> RoyK: and so I suppose the eth0 sec ion would not have a gateway line?
[22:59] <RoyK> there should be only one gateway
[23:00] <RoyK> default gatway is like "if you don't know what to do, go here!"
[23:00] <jacobwg> RoyK: WOW, it works (with both static) - thanks for all the help!
[23:02] <RoyK> :)
[23:03] <jacobwg> Knowing the wifi network setup, something will probably explode in the next few hours (we're using a Win7 computer with internet connection sharing to a cellular card and a wifi router acting as a bridge with routing disabled), but for now it's working.
[23:04] <jacobwg> Every time we want to make changes to the wifi network settings, we have to reset the router so we can login to the admin area again :)
[23:41] <jacobwg> Here's another question - can I setup an autofs mount of a network share of of / ?
[23:41] <jacobwg> I want /folder to be mapped to a network share
[23:41] <jacobwg> I can get /folder/folder working, but not just /folder
[23:42] <jacobwg> Basically trying to do what someone is asking here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7739863


 :D
[08:14] <Laney> hey andyrock, you good?
[08:14] <Laney> hmm
[08:14] <Laney> that was suspiciously warm
[08:14] <seb128> lol
[08:14] <andyrock> good good
[08:14] <seb128> come on Laney, you know  it can get warm in summer here
[08:14] <seb128> remember the systemd hackdays
[08:15] <seb128> :-)
[08:15] <Laney> it can
[08:15] <jibel> Laney, come to La Hague in France it's always warmer
[08:15] <Laney> that sprint was in october though!
[08:15] <jibel> Laney, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Hague_site
[08:15] <Laney> ooh yeah, bet that's like a hot tub
[08:32] <tjaalton> duflu: I see that you're working on enabling video acceleration? the wiki says intel is different than radeon, but it's not.. just install mesa-va-drivers
[08:32] <seb128> andyrock, did you mean to archive the snap-glib card on trust card? is that not something we want to do anymore?
[08:32] <andyrock> hey robert_ancell already had such a card
[08:33] <andyrock> and he already made huge progresses
[08:34] <andyrock> https://trello.com/c/q1Zb63U7/157-bug1698984-sru-snapd-glib-to-trusty
[08:34] <andyrock> I'll try to build a ppa out of it
[08:38] <duflu> tjaalton, I have not tested radeon. I'm focusing on what actually works (where "works" means over an order of magnitude improvement from software). Radeon testing isn't really a priority though, given most of the world only cares about Intel graphics on laptops...
[08:40] <duflu> And I've been burned several times by "accelerated" video playback that actually uses higher CPU than software
[08:41] <tjaalton> well, we enable several configs with radeon gfx..
[08:44] <tjaalton> qsv needs opencl, does beignet work?
[08:45] <duflu> tjaalton: Also be careful to not use the term QSV per the wiki ;) I don't know what beignet is
[08:45] <tjaalton> opencl for intel
[08:45] <duflu> I assume it works, but have no interest in it
[08:46] <seb128> andyrock, oh ok, for next time it's a good idea to add a comment saying when you archive the card so it's more obvious to others
[08:46] <tjaalton> duflu: ok, well the wiki is misleading then
[08:46] <andyrock> kk
[08:47] <oSoMoN> duflu, great work on summarizing the current situation and next steps on that wiki page, it makes it easy to understand such a complex thing
[08:47] <duflu> tjaalton: No, using the term QSV is misleading. QSV is a hardware feature that is accessible via at least two different APIs. So saying QSV only refers to the silicon. And worse, it historically only refers to encoding, not decoding
[08:48] <tjaalton> duflu: ah right
[08:49] <tjaalton> anyway, from what I've heard (not proven on my radeon though iirc) is that mesa-va-drivers makes va-api work with radeons, and that it's generally fine. something to keep in mind once adding things to the default install
[08:51] <duflu> tjaalton: Yeah I have high hopes for mesa-va-drivers doing radeon and nvidia well. But Intel's way more important on average
[08:52] <tjaalton> the browser situation is rather sad, though
[08:52] <duflu> It's solveable. Just messy
[08:52] <duflu> I don't want to give anyone the impression that part is solveable in one cycle though
[08:53] <duflu> Also I need to work on other things or else go insane
[08:53] <tjaalton> hehe
[08:54] <duflu> oSoMoN, Thanks, I did not intend for this to be a documentation exercise. It just turned out that way as I realized nobody's really looked at the big picutre yet
[08:54] <duflu> or the big picture
[08:55] <seb128> hum
[08:55] <seb128> DEFINES+=TRANSLATIONS_DIR=\\\\\\\"/usr/share/qt5/translations\\\\\\\"
[08:55] <seb128> why that number of "\"?
[08:56] <seb128> that's from https://launchpadlibrarian.net/325137761/transmission_translation-fix.debdiff
[09:13] <oSoMoN> seb128, have you had a chance to test my LO 5.3.3 snap?
[09:13] <seb128> oSoMoN, sorry no, it's on my list for today though
[09:13] <oSoMoN> cool
[09:14] <Laney> seb128: that's funny
[09:14] <Laney> it'll need to be -DTRANSLATIONS_DIR=\"...\" in the compiler call
[09:17] <Laney> some parts of the build system must interpret the string
[09:17] <seb128> k, I've no clue if it's right but the upstream commit looks similar
[09:17] <seb128> so I assume it is
[09:18] <Laney> I would expect the build log to show the gcc/g++ calls and if they look like -DFOO=\"bar\" then it's right
[09:19] <seb128> Laney, I guess it makes sense to add least check the result, thanks
[09:19] <Laney> there's a funny one in livecd-rootfs
[09:20] <duflu> If I was to reinstall artful with the "final" gdm and lightdm removed, is that in the current iso, or not yet?
[09:20] <Laney> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/livecd-rootfs/trunk/view/head:/live-build/auto/config#L66
[09:20] <Laney> actually that's the same!
[09:20] <Laney> duflu: not yet
[09:21] <duflu> OK. Can't tell if I've created session bugs or if a fresh install would also have them
[09:21] <duflu> The problem is I can't switch between Gnome on Wayland/Xorg without rebooting
[09:21] <duflu> The second login fails. Have to reboot
[09:23] <seb128> Laney, fun :-)
[11:07] <seb128> IRC is quiet today!
[11:07] <Laney> suspicious
[11:07] <seb128> is everybody busy or just still hangover from the w.e? ;-)
[11:09] <seb128> mpt, hey, why did you reopen https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-datetime/+bug/1685934 ?
[11:09] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1685934 in indicator-datetime (Ubuntu) "ok button duplication" [Low,New]
[11:09] <seb128> oh, because there was a reply I guess
[11:10] <mpt> yep
[11:10] <seb128> it's on the wrong component according to the comment though
[11:55] <andyrock> hey seb128, I need a REST api to get info about CVEs (like priority, description, etc.) to show in update-manager
[11:56] <andyrock> atm there is no such thing (at least under ubuntu.com/canonical.com) domains
[11:56] <andyrock> but I could easily deplot our own service using https://github.com/cve-search/cve-search
[11:57] <andyrock> *deploy
[11:58] <andyrock> so we could integrate this in http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/
[11:59] <andyrock> otherwise there are already public services e.g. https://cve.circl.lu/
[12:00] <andyrock> but not sure if we can rely on them in the long term
[12:24] <seb128> andyrock, sorry, just saw on irclog that you talked to me after I closed IRC, was moving between places
[12:24] <andyrock> np
[12:25] <seb128> andyrock, you should probably talk to the security team about that
[12:25] <andyrock> #ubuntu-security?
[12:25] <seb128> yes
[12:26] <andyrock> i need to be invited, do you know anyone that I can talk with here?
[12:28] <seb128> andyrock, I don't know, I can join but it might be restricted the registered users or ubuntu group or something
[12:28] <andyrock> yeah I guess it's restricted for a reason :)
[12:30] <jbicha> andyrock: #ubuntu-hardened is the public room
[12:30] <jbicha> good morning
[12:31] <seb128> jbicha, joining #ubuntu-security forwarded me to -hardened automatically
[12:31] <seb128> so if that's not doing it there is a reason?
[12:33] <jbicha> seb128: ask in -hardened ? ;)
[12:33] <seb128> I'm not interested enough to chase that for others :p
[12:40] <mdeslaur> for some strange reason, when you're already in #ubuntu-hardened and try to join #ubuntu-security, you get a message that you need to be invited
[12:40] <mdeslaur> it's a side effect of how the redirect works
[12:41] <seb128> ha :p
[12:42] <seb128> indeed andyrock, you are already there
[12:42] <seb128> mdeslaur, thanks, oh and happy monday!
[12:43] <mdeslaur> seb128: heh, happy monday to you too :)
[12:48] <jbicha> oSoMoN: we're having trouble compiling LO on artful i386 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/1:5.3.3-0ubuntu2/+build/12778305
[12:54] <oSoMoN> looking
[13:01] <jbicha> I think that's the final piece for the hunspell transition now
[13:18] <oSoMoN> chrisccoulson, hey, are you looking at the chromium update in https://launchpad.net/~canonical-chromium-builds/+archive/ubuntu/stage/+packages ?
[13:27] <oSoMoN> jbicha, that failure looks like it could possibly be related to bug #1699529, i.e. flaky tests (especially https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1699529/comments/3)
[13:27] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1699529 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "i386 autopkgtests are unstable" [High,Confirmed]
[13:28] <oSoMoN> can you retry the build?
[13:28] <oSoMoN> I need to investigate those failures further, but until I manage to reproduce locally I can only do guesswork
[13:39] <chrisccoulson> oSoMoN, I am, but I need to do something else first
[13:39] <seb128> chrisccoulson, getting ride of ubufox right? ;-)
[13:42] <jbicha> oSoMoN: yes, I'll go ahead and retry again (I did retry a few times already)
[14:20] <willcooke> jibel, what was that power tool called that we discovered the other day?
[14:35] <immu> are we affected by the Debian hyper-threading bug
[14:42] <jbicha> immu: yes, LP: #1700373 (but my understanding is that it's unlikely that you'd ever experience the bug, ocaml isn't usually installed)
[14:42] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1700373 in intel-microcode (Ubuntu Zesty) "Please update microcode to version 20170511 on all supported platforms" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1700373
[14:45] <jibel> willcooke, gnome-power-bench
[14:47] <willcooke> thx jibel
[14:47] <willcooke> flexiondotorg, ^
[14:48] <jibel> flexiondotorg, willcooke gnome-battery-bench sorry
[14:48] <jibel> https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-battery-bench/
[14:53] <Trevinho> mpt: hey, can you give a look to this plase https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/unity-control-center/unity-lowgfx-support/+merge/321827 ?
[15:02] <flexiondotorg> willcooke jibel Thanks.
[15:04] <mpt> Trevinho, done, I need a Before screenshot to compare :-)
[15:04] <Trevinho> mpt: ok
[15:06] <andyrock> mpt:  https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/kl5jlXtA/lp-gui2.png
[15:06] <andyrock> so I'm handling the case livepatch knows there is a security issue and a fix available
[15:06] <Trevinho> mpt: http://imgur.com/KGnYl4z
[15:06] <andyrock> but the fix cannot be installed using livepatch
[15:08] <andyrock> and then there are the cases where the fix can be patched using LivePatch but it failed for some reasons
[15:55] <Laney> robert_ancell: if you've got a sec, want to review https://paste.debian.net/973397/ ?
[15:55] <Laney> also hi ;-)
[15:55] <Laney> hope london is treating you well
[15:57] <gQuigs> andyrock: +1 looks good :)
[15:58] <robert_ancell> Laney, looks good
[15:58] <Laney> thx
[15:58] <robert_ancell> Laney, there probably should be a convert_error() function so it's done consistenly
[15:59] <robert_ancell> I noticed that G-S started complaining at some point about non-GS errors being returned by the snap plugin
[15:59] <Laney> do you do the same thing in other places?
[15:59] <Laney> I saw some local_errors
[15:59] <robert_ancell> brb
[16:00] <Laney> haha
[16:00] <Laney> talking to people at sprints sucks
[16:27] <GunnarHj> Hi jbicha! Did you see https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu.artful_lang-support/+merge/326261 ?
[16:29] <seb128> oSoMoN, do you have a list of known issues with the libreoffice snap? I installed it and I'm playing a bit with it but I'm unsure what to test or conclude from the testing
[16:34] <GunnarHj> Hi seb128! Any thoughts about bug #1696418?
[16:34] <ubot5`> bug 1696418 in language-pack-gnome-es-base (Ubuntu) "gnome-help/shell-introduction.page link to removed files" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1696418
[16:35] <seb128> GunnarHj, hey, no
[16:36] <seb128> or "trusty is old"
[16:36] <seb128> :-)
[16:37] <GunnarHj> seb128: In short I'd like to propose a rebuild without translation stripping to fix it.
[16:37] <seb128> I've it in my inbox for a while but I can't be bother trying to debug trusty issues
[16:37] <seb128> that's not a fix
[16:37] <seb128> that's a workaround
[16:37] <seb128> I would prefer for somebody to try to understand the issue
[16:38] <GunnarHj> seb128: But will that ever happen, considering that trusty is old? ;)
[16:38] <Trevinho> seb128: hey... :)
[16:38] <seb128> Trevinho, good morning!
[16:38] <jbicha> GunnarHj: yes I saw but I didn't look through it yet, it looks complex :)
[16:38] <Trevinho> seb128: I've splitted the branches
[16:38] <Trevinho> seb128: ahah, well... I'm not such a night owl yet :D
[16:39] <seb128> :-)
[16:39] <seb128> Trevinho, nice
[16:39] <seb128> GunnarHj, well, you seem to have interest in trusty since you are asking about it and wanting to work on a workaround...:p
[16:42] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Many small changes, but not really complex. The overall goal is to achieve consistency as regards pulling of lang support. I could be standby to clarify the details, if that may help.
[16:45] <GunnarHj> seb128: As regards interest... I saw the bug report. But as jbicha pointed out at the report, there will be no more point releases for trusty, so we don't need to worry about ISO size, do we?
[17:04] <seb128> GunnarHj, I don't know, trusty got extended support, unsure if somebody plans to roll iso updates
[17:17] <GunnarHj> seb128: I see. Ok, the alternative is to figure out what happened and why and make a full langpack update (without a requirement to verify). I tend to think it's a "won't fix" bug.
[17:20] <seb128> I think so too
[17:21] <seb128> but the few mbs are probably no issue for the iso in any case if there is a need for a respin
[17:21] <seb128> so feel free to do upload an unstripped documentation
[17:21] <GunnarHj> seb128: Ok, great. Why didn't you say so immediately? ;)
[17:22] <seb128> GunnarHj, because I don't like much the idea to workaround an issue we didn't understand
[17:22] <seb128> that might bite you back
[17:22] <seb128> at the same time I'm not waiting to debug trusty issues
[17:22] <GunnarHj> seb128: Fair enough.
[17:56] <oSoMoN> seb128, those are all the reported LO snap issues: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bugs?field.tag=snap , and all those that are marked "in progress" should be fixed by my updated snap
[17:57] <oSoMoN> (sorry for the delayed answer, was out running errands)
[18:38] <oSoMoN> jbicha, I see that the i386 build of LO 5.3.3-0ubuntu2 in -proposed failed again, the failure looks pretty consistent
[18:38] <oSoMoN> I've just uploaded a 5.3.4 test build in https://launchpad.net/~osomon/+archive/ubuntu/lo-test/+packages , let's see if that one fares better
[18:44] <jbicha> oSoMoN: or you could get crazy and upload 5.4 RC1?
[18:44] <oSoMoN> that too :)
[18:44] <jbicha> do you intend to SRU a newer 5.3 to zesty? or just snap it?
[18:44] <oSoMoN> it's on my list for this week (5.4 RC1)
[18:45] <jbicha> I don't think Sweetshark really did SRUs except for the final LO point release for the LTS
[18:45] <oSoMoN> we'll try to go the snap route as much as possible to avoid SRUs where possible
[18:46] <jbicha> is there a reason we distrust later LO point releases?
[18:46] <jbicha> or is just not enough time to do everything? ;)
[18:48] <oSoMoN> the latter I think
[18:48] <jbicha> ok
[18:48] <oSoMoN> and I'm still working my way through LO packaging, I’ll get faster at it eventually, but I'm still ramping up
[18:50] <jbicha> no problem, LO's not your only job either


[02:24] <michaelh> Hi there.  I recently did a commit/push but forgot to tag the commit as fixing a Launchpad hosted bug.  What's the best way of doing a --fixes after the commit?
[10:31] <vila> parthm: ping
[10:32] <vila> !paste
[10:33] <parthm> vila: hi
[10:33] <vila> parthm: hey !
[10:34] <vila> parthm: do you remember bug #376388
[10:35] <parthm> vila: yes.
[10:36] <vila> I think I introduced a regression with my fix for bug #525571
[10:36] <vila> i.e. when merging the fix from 2.0 -> 2.1 -> 2.2 the merge lost the copy_ownership call
[10:37] <vila> I think the fix should b as simple as http://paste.ubuntu.com/463416/
[10:38] <vila> So I was wondering if you could look into reproducing it  and confirm the regression
[10:39] <parthm> vila: sure. i can look at that later today. i can propose a merge in case there is a regression.
[10:39] <vila> Second, I don't clearly remember the constraints around calling copy_ownership, I think the file should exist but otherwise how did you minimize the races ?
[10:39] <vila> parthm: thanks a lot
[10:39] <vila> parthm: My main concern here is that the test suite didn't catch the regression
[10:40] <vila> I know we need to run as root to be able to setup a test context and I think we may want to file a bug asking for a specialized test suite that requires running as root (handwaving a bit)
[10:41] <parthm> vila: thats true. test suite should have caught it.
[10:41]  * parthm looks at old merge proposal
[10:42] <vila> parthm: I think the issue is that normal users can't run chwon to give ownership to someone else, so you can't test such things
[10:42] <vila> chown
[10:43] <vila> hence we need to run such tests as root, but I know some other tests should *not* be run as root or they will fail :)
[10:43] <parthm> vila: yes. the test cases basically monkey patch and check that chown is being called.
[10:43] <vila> parthm: anyway, thanks for looking into it !
[10:43] <parthm> vila: np.
[10:44] <vila> ha, yeah, I remember I wasn't so happy with that :-)
[10:44] <parthm> vila: yup. we had a long discussion :)
[10:45] <vila> parthm: in retrospect, tracking the chown calls looks like a good way to run the tests without being root, maybe there is a way to enrich the injected version so emulate the behavior we want
[10:45] <vila> *to( emulate
[10:45] <vila> *to* emulate
[10:46] <parthm> vila: yes. considering that the regression was not caught the tests could probably use some improvement. i will see if i can think of something.
[10:50] <poolie> hi parthm, vila
[10:50] <parthm> poolie: hi
[10:50] <vila> parthm: 2.2 should be the target
[10:50] <parthm> vila: will do.
[10:50] <vila> poolie: hey :-P
[14:04] <parthm> poolie: ping
[14:07] <poolie> hi parthm
[14:08] <parthm> poolie: regarding bug #605098 for bzr-grep ... did you happen to check your bzr-grep version?
[14:08] <poolie> i did, i was just out of date
[14:08] <poolie> i closed it
[14:09] <poolie> just now
[14:09] <parthm> poolie: ok. cool.
[14:09] <poolie> on really big trees it's much faster than grepping the working tree
[14:09] <poolie> that's pretty cool
[14:10] <parthm> poolie: :) i recently added -p/--diff to grep changesets. if you are using trunk you could try that too.
[14:11] <poolie> i will
[16:09] <asac> if i push to launchpad how can i prevent this to happen:
[16:09] <asac> Created new stacked branch referring to /~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-4.0.head.
[16:09] <asac> ?
[16:13] <mwhudson> asac: bzr init the location, bzr reconfigure --unstacked the location, then push
[16:13] <mwhudson> is one way
[16:16] <asac> lets try
[16:16] <asac> just to repeat how much i disagree with the not-being-able-to-easily-prevent branch format attitude
[16:17] <asac> s/format/format upgrades/
[16:18] <asac> hell
[16:18] <asac> i have a good branch with old format still
[16:18] <asac> and whenever i push it it stacks and converts on the fly
[16:18] <asac> even though locally its not even stackable
[16:18] <asac> bzr reconfigure --unstacked
[16:18] <asac> bzr: ERROR: The branch 'file:///home/asac/Development/ubuntu/mozillateam/firefox-3.7.head/'(Branch format 6) is not a stackable format. You will need to upgrade the branch to permit branch stacking.
[16:18] <asac> bzr push lp:~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-3.7.head/Doing on-the-fly conversion from RepositoryFormatKnitPack1() to RemoteRepositoryFormat(_network_name='Bazaar RepositoryFormatKnitPack5 (bzr 1.6)\n').
[16:19] <asac> This may take some time. Upgrade the repositories to the same format for better performance.
[16:19] <asac> bzr: interrupted                                                           bzr info
[16:19] <asac> Repository tree (format: pack-0.92)
[16:19] <fullermd> Well, FWIW, that conversion is essentially free...
[16:19] <asac> it is not
[16:19] <asac> its not pack-0.92 anymore
[16:19] <asac> and hardy users cant branch it
[16:19] <asac> without enabling ppas etc
[16:19] <fullermd> It is in every way that counts, data-wise.
[16:19] <asac> these kind of transitions of default have to wait until hardy is EOL
[16:20] <asac> you are too focussed on bzr and the data. i am focussed on the user and the reputation bzr gets by this kind of experience
[16:20] <fullermd> pack-0.92, 1.6, and 1.9 are all practically the same in terms of the data for the revisions/texts/etc.
[16:20] <fullermd> Oh, sure, that's a valid reason.  But the cost of the conversion is almost immeasurable among that group.
[16:20] <asac> then you shouldnt do this kind of default switch until the new branch format is out by at least 3 reasons
[16:21] <fullermd> _I_'m not making any sort of switch.  I don't have anything to do with LP.
[16:21] <asac> its not launchpad
[16:21] <asac> at least i think
[16:21] <fullermd> Yes it is, it's LP forcing a stackable format.
[16:21] <asac> afaik bzr switch to the new default
[16:21] <fullermd> Well, not _forcing_, but making it fair bits of work to avoid.
[16:21] <fullermd> 1.6 was NEVER a default format.  The default format went straight from pack-0.92 to 2a.
[16:21] <asac> i cant avoid it it seems
[16:21] <asac> how can i do that?
[16:22] <asac> i want to avoid it
[16:22] <fullermd> I don't know offhand.  I'm pretty sure it can be done, but it may require manual fiddling.
[16:22] <asac> manual fiddling on launchpad side?
[16:23] <asac> or on my side?
[16:23] <asac> fullermd: thanks for clarifying though :/
[16:23] <fullermd> On your side.  I think reconfigure SHOULD be able to do it.
[16:24] <asac> no its not
[16:24] <asac> my local branch is not stacked at all
[16:24] <fullermd> Not on your local branch.  On the lp branch.
[16:24] <asac> bzr reconfigure --unstacked
[16:24] <asac> 17:18 < asac> bzr: ERROR: The branch 'file:///home/asac/Development/ubuntu/mozillateam/firefox-3.7.head/'(Branch format 6) is not a stackable format. You will need to  upgrade the branch to permit branch stacking.
[16:24] <fullermd> bzr reconfigure --unstacked lp:whatever
[16:24] <asac> the online branch doesnt exist
[16:25] <asac> i want to push to a new location
[16:25] <asac> and it lways gets stacked
[16:25] <asac> let me see
[16:25] <fullermd> Yeah.  As mwhudson said, use 'init' to create an empty branch at that new location first, reconfigure, then push.
[16:25] <asac> cool
[16:26] <fullermd> Actually, maybe if you init --pack-0.92, it won't bother trying to setup a stack in the first place since that format isn't stackable.
[16:26] <mwhudson> asac: the messages from bzr can be a bit deceptive, it might not actually be stacked even if it looks like its saying it is
[16:27] <asac> doesnt work:
[16:27] <asac> bzr init --pack-0.92 lp:~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-3.7.head
[16:27] <asac> Created a standalone branch (format: unnamed)
[16:27] <asac> asac@tinya:/tmp/new$ bzr reconfigure --unstacked lp:~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-3.7.head
[16:27] <asac> bzr: ERROR: The branch 'bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-3.7.head/'(Remote: Branch format 6) is not a stackable format. You will need to upgrade the branch to permit branch stacking.
[16:27] <fullermd> IIRC branch6 is what you expect from pack-0.92, so that sounds right.
[16:27] <asac> mwhudson: well. all i know is that when i push to the new place it upgrades on the fly because it thinks it is stacked
[16:27] <asac> fullermd: but when i push my pack 0.92 branch now it gets a) stacked and by converted on-the-fly
[16:28] <fullermd> Not on lp:~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-3.7.head; pack-0.92 isn't stackable.
[16:29] <fullermd> % bzr info nosmart+lp:~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-3.7.head
[16:29] <fullermd> Standalone branch (format: pack-0.92)
[16:29] <asac> hmm. that remove init seemed to have helped indeed
[16:29] <asac> let me see what comes back when i do a fresh branch (once the push has finished)
[16:30] <fullermd> LP does a lot of magic, so you need a pretty big hammer like that to keep it from enstacking things.
[16:34] <asac> i will go and fight this ;) (if i have engery left ;))
[16:34] <asac> but i guess its too late now ... the harm is most likely done for many branches already
[16:35] <asac> i am happy if i can safe just th e mozillateam branches for now ;)
[16:35] <fullermd> Well, I DO get all twitchy at the thought of people running bzr's that can't read 1.6  ;p
[16:36] <asac> yes. as i said. it doesnt give a professional and mature impression
[16:36] <asac> i think bzr developers could have helped by not declaring 2.0a the default until its much older
[16:36] <asac> that might have prevented launchpad to jump on it ;)
[16:36] <asac> but thats just me
[16:36] <asac> thanks a bunch fullermd and mwhudson
[16:49] <fullermd> Well, you're not having LP jump to 2a here  ;)
[20:27] <thrope> how can I delete some changes I've shelved?
[20:34] <rubbs> thrope: try bzr help shelve
[20:34] <thrope> rubbs: i tried ... it didnt say anything
[20:34] <rubbs> I believe there is a --destroy option
[20:34] <thrope> in the end I unshelved them and reverted
[20:34] <thrope> thats only when you are doing the shelving
[20:34] <thrope> nothing about deleting existing shalves
[20:34] <thrope> but it would have been a pain if there were other changes that I didnt want them to mix with
[20:34] <rubbs> ah, sorry
[20:35] <rubbs> right.
[21:44] <lamont> bzr: ERROR: gnomekeyring.IOError:
[21:44] <lamont> wth does that mean?
[21:44] <lamont> besides "no, you don't get to do a pull on that remote machine", of course
[21:47] <rubbs> lamont: I'm not an expert but that looks like gnomekeyring isn't able to unlock the ssh key that bzr is looking for.
[21:48] <lamont> not terribly surprising, since it's a remote session.  then again, one would hope for a prompt or some such before it threw its hands in the air
[21:51] <rubbs> lamont: well bzr tries not to be interactive so it can be used as a library
[21:51] <rubbs> the key needs to be unlocked before bzr can use it
[21:58] <lamont> rubbs: and lacking a gui to talk to gnome, and a lacking a clue how to do it outside of gnome, I'm left with 'oh well'
[22:00] <rubbs> lamont: I think you can use ssh-agent
[22:00] <rubbs> http://mah.everybody.org/docs/ssh
[22:00] <rubbs> something like that
[22:01] <lamont> rubbs: I could, and I won't
[22:02] <lamont> I see no reason to give root on the remote machine access to my ssh key
[22:04] <rubbs> I was unaware that ssh-agent did that. I'm not an ssh expert, or really a bzr one for that matter. just trying to point out what I think was the problem
[22:04] <rubbs> i was under the impression that ssh-agent only held keys in local memory, and only with agent-forwarding turned on did it forward those keys to the remote
[22:04] <rubbs> but I could have misunderstood that
[22:04] <lamont> rubbs: if you pass your agent to a remote machine, root on that machine can access the agent.  this might not be quite what you want.
[22:05] <lamont> ah, yeah - agent forwarding hands the keys over
[22:05] <lamont> that's usually what I've seen people be referring to when they start talking about ssh-agent... my bad for jumping to the conclusion
[22:05] <rubbs> np.
[22:06] <rubbs> I think just ssh-agent will unlock the key in local memory. bzr will not forward the key IIRC
[22:06] <rubbs> but I can't tell you that for sure
[22:07] <lamont> yeah - if it did, we'd have beaten them already, I suspect.
[22:07] <rubbs> right. that's what I was thinking.
[22:08] <rubbs> but I can't definitively tell you yes or no on that question
[22:08] <rubbs> I understand people's aversion to security issues.
[22:09] <rubbs> aversion may not have been the right word, but I think you know what I mean
[22:52] <mgz> bug 605574 looks like a python 2.7 regression in xmlrpclib at first blush
[23:41] <Stavros> hello
[23:41] <Stavros> can i pull/push to hg branches?


[07:10] <Bhaskar1> i have USB Printer of Canon LBP 2900, how can i configure in Edubuntu 7.04 LTSP5.0
[07:10] <Burgundavia> Bhaskar1: have you verified that it works in Linux via linuxprinting.org?
[07:10] <Bhaskar1> ya
[07:12] <Bhaskar1> Burgundavia, i have to configure in lts.conf or not , and how?
[01:28] <juliux> morning
[01:38] <mario> hi
[01:44] <cliebow>   ho
[05:45] <gmanic> hi. just upgraded to feisty according to wiki, but now my desktop on the client ist _very_ slow. proper xorg-server (ati) is running. hints?
[05:52] <cmonkey> im an edubuntu noob, but it looks like nobody else is around.  did you update the NFS root?
[05:52] <juliux> what was the question?
[05:53] <cmonkey> [11:45]  <gmanic> hi. just upgraded to feisty according to wiki, but now my desktop on the client ist _very_ slow. proper xorg-server (ati) is running. hints?
[05:54] <gmanic> update the nfs root? you mean build a new client? sure did that.
[05:55] <juliux> cmonkey, thxs
[05:57] <cmonkey> gmanic, i was just thinking of the instructions at the bottom of this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToCookEdubuntu/Chapters/LTSPManagement
[05:59] <gmanic> cmonkey: yes, i did that. it's part of the update-instructions as refered to in https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuLTSPUpgradeNotes (although that notes are for edgy :-)
[05:59] <gmanic> cmonkey: thx anyway.
[08:08] <mario> hi folks
[08:43] <highvoltage> hello cbx33
[08:43] <cbx33> hey highvoltage
[08:44] <juliux> hey cbx33
[08:44] <cbx33> hey juliux
[08:45] <cbx33> anyone done any applets for gnome?
[08:46] <juliux> not yet
[08:46] <cbx33> hheh
[08:46] <highvoltage> I've done it once before from example but can't remember how or from which example anymore
[08:47] <highvoltage> ah, I think it was from a tutorial from the learningpython blog
[08:47] <cbx33> ahhh
[08:47] <highvoltage> http://www.learningpython.com/ <- was somewhere on there, fwiw :)
[08:47] <cbx33> heh
[09:17] <mario> cbx33, poke
[09:20] <highvoltage> pygi brothers
[09:20] <pygi> highvoltage, :)
[09:26] <pygi> highvoltage, how are you?
[09:29] <highvoltage> pygi: doing very well, for a change :)
[09:29] <pygi> highvoltage, yay, glad to hear =)
[09:29] <highvoltage> I can't remember when I was last so organised. It feels good.
[09:29] <pygi> ^_^
[09:30] <highvoltage> my K&R C book /still/ hasn't arrived. I hope it's here when I come back from Spain. well, it has to be, otherwise it exceeded the delivery span.
[09:31] <pygi> hehe :) I have that one for a long time =)
[12:11] <mjg> Is there a way in Edubuntu to force the logout of a student/user after a specified time period?
[12:11] <Burgundavia> mjg: timeoutd
[12:11] <mjg> Do you know if it resets after every login?
[12:12] <mjg> Or after 24 hours (for example)
[12:12] <Burgundavia> http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/admin/timeoutd
[12:13] <mjg> I'll research. Thanks for your help.
[12:18] <LaserJock> highvoltage: ping?


[02:58] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[03:31] <marcoagpinto> lotuspsychje: Hello
[03:31] <marcoagpinto> :)
[03:32] <marcoagpinto> more 30 minutes and I should get some sleep
[03:32] <marcoagpinto> :)
[03:32] <marcoagpinto> I have been coding
[07:01] <nikolam> Hello. Anyone thinking GNOME is actually useful DE and using it regularly? I started GNOME after spending, like, 15 years and more on Xfce, and I found default GNOME as totally uselesss DE.
[07:02] <nikolam> What's your experience and what am I missing that you know or recommend when using GNOME?
[07:04] <guiverc> GNOME isn't my cup-of-tea either, however for some things its workflow is efficient & makes sense, I have it installed (i have multiple DEs installed) & login with GNOME when I want to use it  (it's also nice to have a change now & again.. )
[07:06] <nikolam> I were also thinking of refreshing my experience trying out, but what might be the workflow for GNOME? I don't see desktop icons, I don't see anything useful I could put in panel, I see only very large application icons I can search only if typing app names and I have file manager I can open. What's usabel with GNOME anyway?
[07:07] <nikolam> I were thinking I was bored with Xfce over the years, but I think it it were blessing..
[08:27] <guiverc> sorry I'm mostly doing things.. to adjust panel beyond a few simple things you use extensions. in my experience some of the extensions are great, but come upgrade time, if the API has changed they'll just crash gnome so extensions can be a pain (each upgrade you have to check they'll work in the newer gnome)
[08:28] <guiverc> if you don't like gnome apps; XFCE has been GTK3 since 19.10 so you can use xfce/mate/.. apps, I never got used to gnome's menu system  (I don't stick to gnome which I think is a huge part of it nikolam)
[08:30] <guiverc> yeah XFCE is sort of boring... it just stays out of the way, lets you configure it as you want & just works... ie. usable, functional & suits me too (but I'm happy in LXQt too)
[08:55] <nikolam> Yeah, I really don't find GNOME usable. Thanks for impressions.
[09:01] <Maik> everybody has their personal preferences. You don't like Gnome or don't find it usable, then that's ok. No need to go on about it in various channels.
[09:01] <Maik> i use Unity myself but used every major dektop too including Gnome
[09:02]  * Maik has been using Ubuntu since 2007
[09:33] <nikolam> Maik, I need feedback on someone using it and maybe have some other impression, and it is not your right to say what others should talk about, really.
[09:34] <nikolam> Maik, well, feel free to share your own impressions, what is it _good_ about it at least, some bad , etc, maybe your kind of use is to hear about
[10:05]  * nikolam on Xubuntu since 2006/7 (56K modem CD ISO download)
[10:53] <marcoagpinto> Morning!
[11:08] <Maik> nikolam: you were cross posting, that's why i said it and cross posting in various channels isn't allowed
[11:09] <Maik> !guidelines
[11:46] <nikolam> Maik, ubuntu-discuss is for discussign ubuntu. I am dicsussing Ubuntu, so please get off my back.
[11:46] <Maik> keep it nice will ya
[11:47] <nikolam> Well moment you keep it nice I will. I am not cross posting, you know.
[11:47] <Maik> you posted in #ubuntu and #xubuntu thus cross posting
[11:48] <Maik> enough said
[11:48] <nikolam> Maik, so what. Please get off my back. I am on Xubuntu for Xubuntu stuff, I am on ubuntu-discuss for ubuntu stuff, regarding GNOME. You are lying that is something bad.
[11:49] <Maik> ok>> troll confirmed
[11:49] <lotuspsychje> tone down please nikolam
[11:49] <lotuspsychje> discuss and keep things nicely
[11:49] <nikolam> I am called here names
[11:50] <nikolam> lotuspsychje, plese civilize Maik
[11:51] <lotuspsychje> nikolam: maik only pointed you to crossposting, as its not allowed
[11:51] <Maik> ignore it is
[11:51] <lotuspsychje> nikolam: so move on, and discuss now please
[11:51] <nikolam> lotuspsychje, what crossposting?
[11:51] <lotuspsychje> crossposting means repeating the same lines in several ubuntu channels
[11:51] <Maik> nikolam: your nagging about Gnome in various channels as i said before
[11:52] <nikolam> No GNOME is on Ubuntu. Isn't it. I am using Xubuntu and installed GNOME to chack it out, and ask for people on their impressions on GNOME in general.
[11:52] <Maik> posting the same stuff in various buntu channels is cross posting
[11:52] <Maik> i pointed you to the IRC guidelines, read them
[11:52] <nikolam> Maik, To what is your problem, were talkinga bout that hours ago if you have soem problem try curing it somewhere else.
[11:52] <nikolam> Maik, point it to somewhere else.
[11:52] <Maik> you seem to have a issue, not me
[11:53] <nikolam> Maik, stop trolling
[11:53] <lotuspsychje> nikolam: also, repeating over and over gnome isnt usuable is even not a discussion but a personal statement you cant generalize
[11:53] <Maik> see, troll behaviour
[11:53] <nikolam> lotuspsychje, only thing personal is Maik trolling.
[11:53] <lotuspsychje> so what is this poll you wanna start really nikolam ?
[11:53] <Maik> someone willing to get rid of that annoying guy
[11:54] <nikolam> lotuspsychje, nothing in praticular, beside I am personally attacked by Maik.
[11:54] <lotuspsychje> yeah you repeated that enough by now, move on to discussion now
[11:54] <nikolam> lotuspsychje, agreed
[11:55] <Maik> well then
[11:56] <nikolam> Yeah and GNOME is useless for desktop. Anyone have it's usage case and everyday behavior with GNOME as it is now in Ubuntu 20.10 etc is appreciated. Especially supporting GNOME use.
[11:57] <nikolam> Would really like to know from people using GNOME every day what is their thinking in a positive sense about it
[11:57] <lotuspsychje> i dont have issues with gnome at all
[11:57] <lotuspsychje> i do have a few personal wishlist bugs but thats another story
[11:58] <nikolam> lotuspsychje, would really like to know more about everyday use . Good and maybe some critiquie etc.
[11:58] <nikolam> I found myself pretty much lost after years of Xfce use , popping up in Gnome.
[12:03] <Maik> maybe it's better to actually use Gnome for a month on a daily base to find out it's pro's and cons instead of asking others. :)
[12:04] <nikolam> I can't use Gnome for 5 minutes. Starting apps requires clicking in despair or typing their names.
[12:04] <nikolam> Maybe Gnome classis, it has menus
[12:05] <lotuspsychje> classicmenu indicator to the rescue
[12:05] <Maik> if you can't work with Gnome then stick with what you used for years: Xfce
[12:06] <lotuspsychje> you can tweak your environment if you like, instead of shouting its unsuable
[12:06] <nikolam> But wonder what's th point if not using it with full-screen touchscreen with Windows8-like tabled apps
[12:14] <Maik> ask the Gnome devs, maybe they can answer your questions
[12:14] <nikolam> It's general user question not for devs per se.
[12:15] <lotuspsychje> what about touch screens?
[12:16] <nikolam> full-screen big icon interface seems like it is meant to be used with tablets, not as s working desktop.
[12:16] <Maik> then ask in #gnome on whatever server they are on
[12:17] <nikolam> I am asking on Ubuntu because ubuntu is all we are
[12:18] <lotuspsychje> change resolution?
[12:18] <Maik> sigh
[12:18] <Maik> have a nice day, i'm afk for a while
[12:19] <nikolam> lotuspsychje, what changing resolution has to do with it if DE by default uses full-screen big icons that fill the screen up. I am also thinking how that realtes to people coming from another platforms, does that bother them so they stop using it? I think I already have at least one example people stop using laptop alltogether after Ubuntu/Gnome installed
[12:20] <lotuspsychje> when change resolution you got a full screen with smaller icons
[12:20] <lotuspsychje> you dont wanna search apps in full screen?
[12:20] <nikolam> Resolution is 1920X1200 for example. Maybe larger resolutions??
[12:21] <nikolam> I had a feeling apps are like lumped on the screen without any order etc.
[12:21] <lotuspsychje> gnome has a dock you can start apps on
[12:22] <nikolam> Yeah I know, but beside starting apps seems not very useful
[12:24] <lotuspsychje> nikolam: so whats your ideal way to start apps exactly?
[12:26] <nikolam> I am accustomed having apps by their use case, like old-style grouping in menus. But what truly comes into mind is not starting apps at all, but using Right click>OpenWith according to document context. But the problem with using network apps is that there are no files per se, but network context , like clicking on link that opens application to handle type of data.
[12:27] <nikolam> We are witnessing that most of data typed on web are handled by web browsers and web browser seems like is always opened and handle most of the staff we do on the network
[12:27] <nikolam> And unix principle of using separate apps for simple, separate tasks or managing different data types or network use is somewhat lost
[12:28] <lotuspsychje> !info classicmenu-indicator
[12:28] <lotuspsychje> case solved!
[12:28] <Maik> or use MATE
[12:29] <nikolam> I haven't been using later Amiga interfaces much, but their datatypes comes into mind, where separate apps handle differnet kind of data and can interchange it
[12:30] <nikolam> Also I think filesystem on Haiku used something similar from BeOS that have Amiga roots.
[12:30] <nikolam> Mening, interface is not all that matters, it matter what it represents and does it is progressing toward something new and more useful
[12:31] <nikolam> And also VR interfaces comes into the mind, when nobody would bother with 2D DEs anymore.
[12:33] <JimBuntu> but, being 3D doesn't make it VR
[12:34] <JimBuntu> and let's just agree right now that VR means an immersive 3D experience that also intends to block true reality, whereas AR is the same but on top of real reality... since these terms are kind of outdated
[12:34] <JimBuntu> without the 'immersive' part, it's just a 2D rep of 3D instead of 'VR'
[12:39]  * lotuspsychje likes gnome VR 3D amiga
[12:43] <nikolam> JimBuntu, you are on right track


[15:56] <locodir-user> hello
[15:56] <locodir-user> ade org ke tak
[16:52] <locodir-user> Hi
[16:53] <locodir-user> hello i have a doubt
[16:54] <coolbhavi> hey locodir-user
[16:54] <coolbhavi> tell us :-)


[12:33] <IamTrying> Is Ubuntu 12.04 available for Asus Tablet?
[12:34] <lilstevie> IamTrying, officially? no
[12:34] <lilstevie> but specifically which asus tablet
[12:34] <IamTrying> lilstevie, no problem. Asus Tablet Eee pad transformer
[12:35] <IamTrying> I have old Ubuntu installed but its touch is not working.
[12:35] <IamTrying> lilstevie, ^
[12:36] <lilstevie> touch sounds like something else
[12:36] <lilstevie> cause any version of ubuntu that I have released an image of has working touch
[12:36] <lilstevie> just fwiw
[12:36] <IamTrying> lilstevie, 12.04 do you have ? I want to test today
[12:36] <lilstevie> no
[12:36] <IamTrying> OK - then i have problem, i have to reverse to Android
[12:37] <lilstevie> you could always try that netinstaller that someone did
[12:37] <IamTrying> OK
[12:39] <IamTrying> lilstevie, i did it almost year ago, i am not sure if this was the valid link if you may know? e.g: http://lilstevie.geek.nz/ports/OLiFE-Prime-Edition.tar.gz
[12:54] <angs> what is the latest gcc version to download for "apt-get install gcc-4.6-arm-linux-gnueabi" ?
[12:55] <janimo> IamTrying, touchscreen or touchpad is not working on the transformer?
[13:06] <angs> which one is for beagleboard-xm arm-linux-gnueabi or arm-linux-gnueabihf?
[13:11] <IamTrying> janimo, actually all working but i have to use OLiFE manually to bring the virtual keyboard for Ubuntu (physically touchscreen working well)
[13:11] <IamTrying> the problem is i need Ubuntu 12.04 (the old one is not stable, it breaks my apps)
[13:12] <janimo> IamTrying, ok. No experience with Olife myself
[13:12] <IamTrying> janimo, Well thats the best one, ever worked.
[13:13] <ogra_> angs, gnueabi = armel, gnueabihf = armhf ... depends what your beagle runs :)
[13:14] <angs> armhf, thank you ogra_
[13:16] <lilstevie> IamTrying, I would be a little worried that 11.10 apps are breaking all of a sudden
[13:18] <IamTrying> lilstevie, yes it is, for audio capture and video capture 12.04 is most stable in my case.
[13:20] <IamTrying> lilstevie, i used OLiFE long time ago, and i was using it. But few months ago it was crashed, without any reason, like it was rebooting over and over. I did not had time to fix it, so today again reinstalling it. FYI.
[14:27] <IamTrying> Is it normal OLiFE taking more then 2 hour to install the dual option? Still its ....
[14:28] <IamTrying> Put your device in APX mode then press any key : did ....."more then 2 hour left.."
[14:35] <lilstevie> pastie the whole output cause no
[14:37] <IamTrying> lilstevie, https://gist.github.com/3806921
[14:38] <lilstevie> did you press... well any key
[14:38] <IamTrying> Enter the first one
[14:38] <lilstevie> cause as far as that log is concerned you haven't
[14:39] <IamTrying> lilstevie, i did Enter, space or a b bla bla...
[14:39] <IamTrying> but still more then 2 hour gone, saying nothing....
[14:39] <lilstevie> yeah it actually says something, and so should your tablet
[14:39] <lilstevie> try running nvflash on its own
[14:45] <IamTrying> lilstevie, Thanks its doing correctly now, i have problem remembering things what i did before getting older :-(
[14:45] <IamTrying> I did not put it in APX mode, therefore failed.
[18:55] <VarmVaffel> is there any way to apt-get install mtd-utils so that the binaries don't get saved in /usr/sbin
[18:55] <VarmVaffel> so I don't have to be sudo to run them
[19:55] <infinity> VarmVaffel: Where they live on the filesystem doesn't define who can usefully run them.
[19:55] <VarmVaffel> yeah I found out
[19:56] <infinity> VarmVaffel: You could copy the binaries to your home directory, or execute them as a regular user from /usr/sbin/ and they'd likely still be just as useless, cause they require root to do anything.
[19:56] <VarmVaffel> no they worked without root
[19:56] <VarmVaffel> thanks for the tips though
[19:58] <infinity> Ahh, if they really do work without root, you might want to file a Debian bug (or an Ubuntu bug, if it's an Ubuntu-specific package) pointing out that the binaries shouldn't be in sbin.
[19:58] <infinity> sbin is generally for stuff that really needs root to be useful.
[19:59] <VarmVaffel> hm yeah ok sure
[19:59] <VarmVaffel> it was in the standard mtd-utils package
[20:06] <VarmVaffel> ok it seems like way too much trouble for me with registering an account and reading the guidelines for reporting a bug like this
[20:06] <VarmVaffel> someone else will have to do it :P
[20:38] <mjrosenb> js.bad:  ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.26, BuildID[sha1]=0x31dcd167f7d3c1741274062f1201a623544788e9, not stripped
[20:38] <mjrosenb> should that be a valid executable on a pandaboard running ubuntu-12.04.1?
[21:15] <VarmVaffel> seems like it
[22:31] <mjrosenb> VarmVaffel: well, the kernel does not seem to like it
[22:32] <mjrosenb> this was built on my debian machine using a cross compiler.
[22:32] <mjrosenb> building on the board seems to work
[22:32] <VarmVaffel> what cross compiler
[22:32] <mjrosenb> (but takes several orders of magnitude longer)
[22:32] <VarmVaffel> arm-linux-gnueabi?
[22:32] <mjrosenb> emdebian
[22:32] <mjrosenb> yes.
[22:32] <VarmVaffel> and you specified the target arcH?
[22:32] <VarmVaffel> or board or whatnot
[22:33] <mjrosenb> -march=armv7-a
[22:33] <VarmVaffel> then I'm really not sure, never cross compield anything for that particular board before
[22:33] <VarmVaffel> though I do have it in my drawer
[22:35] <mjrosenb> ok, it works on my tegra2, which is running <IP_ADDRESS>+ from ubuntu-11.04
[22:35] <mjrosenb> is it possible that the pandaboard is using -hf, but the tegra isn't?
[22:36] <mjrosenb> file output does not seem to mention -hf versus softfp
[22:42] <infinity> File doesn't.
[22:42] <infinity> You want "readelf -A /path/to/binary"
[22:42] <infinity> But if you installed from Ubuntu 12.04 images, they're armhf, yes.
[22:43] <infinity> And your binary is likely armel.
[23:09] <mjrosenb> so i'll need to get a toolchain that outputs -hf?
[23:09] <mjrosenb> hrmm, this is non-ideal, since i'm pretty sure android runs -el not -hf
[23:09] <mjrosenb> infinity: what should be in the output of readelf -A?
[23:10] <mjrosenb>   Tag_FP_arch: VFPv3-D16
[23:10] <mjrosenb> would be my guess?
[23:10] <mjrosenb> or   Tag_ABI_HardFP_use: SP and DP
[23:11] <mjrosenb> but either way, ew.


[01:08] <ChinnoDog> I'm about to throw some money at making my google calendar, tasks, and contacts sync with Outlook. Anyone have another way to do this before I pull the trigger?
[01:31] <ChinnoDog> Never mind. I'll just do it. $20 isn't a bad price to make my time management work
[01:55] <ChinnoDog> ugh. I can't run it because I run Server 08? wtf. windows--
[02:00] <ChinnoDog> It might be time to reinstall windows. I hate this process...
[11:12] <JonathanD> Morning
[11:30] <rmg51> morning JonathanD
[11:45] <InHisName> Goooood Mooorrrrrning !!
[12:18] <waltman> Morning
[12:35] <SamuraiAlba> Good bacon to all!
[17:50] <andrew> morning
[17:56] <rmg51> morning?
[17:56] <PennBot> Somebody said morning is 3 hours ago, rmg51
[17:57] <rmg51> that's about right
[17:57] <pleia2> morning, andrew!
[18:47] <InHisName> In unity how to accesses shared files on network ?
[18:47] <InHisName> SamuraiAlba: did you see the Bacon t-shirt a few days ago ?
[18:48] <mikedep333> InHisName, open up nautilus and you should see the network to browse
[18:49] <mikedep333> I only use SMB (samba / windows file sharing) for network shared files
[18:49] <mikedep333> I think the "connect to server" feature may be gone
[18:49] <mikedep333> where you would manually specify the server's hostname/IP
[18:49] <mikedep333> oh, nm
[18:50] <mikedep333> "connect to server" is under nautilus's file menu
[18:50] <mikedep333> so, I was at wal-mart in King of Prussia
[18:50] <mikedep333> there was one left
[18:50] <mikedep333> for $250, there was a desktop with a dual-core celeron, 2GB RAM & an 18.5" LCD
[18:51] <mikedep333> there were also athlon II x2 systems with roughly similar specs but no monitor for $250
[18:51] <mikedep333> both of those were emachines
[18:51] <mikedep333> and there were similar HP systems for $300 (no monitor)
[18:51] <mikedep333> although it's not too amazing to find a decent tower for $300
[18:56] <InHisName> Ok, so I went to the other machine and pushed file to ubuntu to get it there.
[18:57] <InHisName> Ugghhh  I have to type in each server each time to access one now ?     Used to identify all within the workgroup and show all machines available to pick from.
[19:01] <mikedep333> InHisName, browse the "Network"
[19:01] <mikedep333> it should be under "Places"
[19:24] <InHisName> where to find "the network" and or "places" ?    Not anywhere I look.
[19:25] <InHisName> nautalis = home folder of UNITY    both missing "network" & "places"
[19:57] <InHisName> I have one partition that is showing a green circle with LV in center of it.   Does it mean something other than Logical volume ? Or is that it ?
[23:37] <mikedep333> InHisName, the side pane should have "Places"
[23:37] <mikedep333> if you have to, enable the side pane through "view" > "side pane"
[23:38] <mikedep333> also, you can do "go" > "Network"


[07:03] <checkers> hi, how can I make an upstart job run a service's configtest functionality before allowing a restart?
[07:03] <checkers> if I put the configtest command into pre-start, upstart will stop the job and then fail to start it with service foo restart
[13:43] <jodh> checkers: I'm not clear what behaviour you are after then?
[15:48] <jodh> stgraber: hi - could you review https://code.launchpad.net/~jamesodhunt/upstart/bug-1360208/+merge/234869 when you get a chance?
[18:08] <mlindner> What's the correct way to get ulimit -c unlimited to actually work in upstart scripts
[18:08] <mlindner> it appears that upstart doesn't use /etc/profile
[18:08] <mlindner> so setting it there seems to do nothing
[19:07] <SegFaultAX> I have a process that appears to daemonize itself. If I add `expect fork`, the process boots correctly but upstart immediately loses its handle on the child process so stops/restarts hang. If I add `expect daemon`, it just hangs on start forever.
[19:07] <SegFaultAX> If I omit the expect stanza entirely, it boots correctly, but immediately loses the pid (similar to expect fork)