[01:09] <zul> hola
[01:09] <Nafallo> zul: hejsan :-)
[01:09] <somerville32> moo
[01:09] <ajmitch> hi
[01:15] <_Enchained> good night all
[01:15] <_Enchained> dvd95 updated (again)
[01:19] <jdong> GRR what do you kill/restart to effect pam changes?
[01:19] <jdong> i.e. the login prompts....
[01:19] <jdong> init something.... right?
[01:52] <rmjb> Hey guys
[01:53] <Nafallo> hi Hobbsee :-)
[01:53] <rmjb> so I have a question on java for feisty
[01:53] <LaserJock> hi
[01:53] <Hobbsee> :)
[01:54] <rmjb> is java 5 or java 6 the preferred java for feisty?
[01:54] <rmjb> which one should I list first in my package's dependencies?
[01:54] <Lathiat> theres a java 6 now?
[01:54] <somerville32> Lathiat, For a long time
[01:54] <rmjb> in feisty apparently
[01:54] <LaserJock> I don't know that we a "default" version
[01:55] <rmjb> well... not default, but if the majority of java apps are switching to 6 I don't want mine to stick on 5
[01:55] <LaserJock> I don't think it's that coordinated
[01:55] <LaserJock> but I do think there is somewhat of a Java team so you could ask one of them
[01:56] <rmjb> #ubuntu-java?
[01:56] <LaserJock> I don't think there's a channel
[01:56] <LaserJock> or a mailing list
[01:56] <LaserJock> but I don't know for sure
[01:56] <rmjb> me and 5 bots
[01:56] <rmjb> if Seveas is a bot
[01:57] <rmjb> I'll email the list
[01:58] <LaserJock> https://launchpad.net/~motujava
[01:59] <rmjb> thansk
[01:59] <rmjb> 10q
[01:59] <LaserJock> well, looks like MOTU Java = zakame
[02:00] <rmjb> zakame, are you on?
[02:02] <LaserJock> I'm guessing he'll be on later
[02:02] <rmjb> I'll send him an email just in case
[02:32] <sistpoty> lol... I accidantily subscribed motu-sru while I wanted to subscribe motu-swat to a bug...
[02:32] <somerville32> Ugh oh
[02:32] <sistpoty> luckily I can unsubscribe both again *g*
[02:34] <pochu> hi sistpoty!
[02:34] <sistpoty> hi pochu
[02:34] <pochu> thanks for the upload :)
[02:34] <pochu> it built fine
[02:34] <sistpoty> your welcome
[02:34] <pochu> sistpoty: do you know something new about the gnome-app bug? :)
[02:35] <sistpoty> pochu: nope
[02:35] <pochu> hehe
[02:38] <bddebian> Heya
[02:38] <sistpoty> wb bddebian
[02:38] <bddebian> txh sistpoty
[02:38] <rmjb> hey bddebian
[02:39] <bddebian> Hello rmjb
[02:40] <pochu> hi bddbebian :)
[02:40] <pochu> ups
[02:40] <pochu> typo :)
[02:44] <bddebian> Hello pochu
[02:45] <pochu> hi :)
[02:47] <zakame> hi there
[02:49] <bddebian> Heya zakame
[02:55] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: because that's what we decided
[02:55] <ajmitch> to give time to get new packages reviewed
[02:55] <LaserJock> darn, I shouldn't have gone to the Feisty forum
[02:55] <ajmitch> no, you shouldn't
[02:55] <sistpoty> hi zakame
[02:55] <ajmitch> I avoid it
[02:55] <PriceChild> LaserJock, Nooooo!!!! :)
[02:56] <ScottK> Any particular reason?
[02:56] <zul> LaserJock: its like crack..
[02:56] <LaserJock> I just read through all 11 pages of "composite-by-default: Deferred"
[02:56] <PriceChild> I closed that and people keep making them :(
[02:56] <LaserJock> well, they have a point but they argue it so badly
[02:57] <LaserJock> it seems impossible to get a decent conversation there
[02:57] <PriceChild> Its about 3/4 merged threads...
[02:57] <ajmitch> LaserJock: it'll just depress & demotivate you
[02:57] <ajmitch> don't read it\
[02:58] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: ahhh
[02:58] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: you crazy person
[02:58] <LaserJock> ajmitch: too late ;-)
[02:58] <LaserJock> I'm done with it though
[02:59] <Hobbsee> is it worth requesting a sync of sunbird now?
[02:59] <LaserJock> did it make it into Debian?
[02:59] <Hobbsee> yeah.  experimental
[02:59] <Hobbsee> did ages ago, it seems
[03:00] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: read the logs from the mozilla team meeting earlier
[03:00] <ajmitch> they discussed sunbird
[03:00] <Hobbsee> ah right
[03:00] <LaserJock> yeah, I was going to say that
[03:00] <LaserJock> read that on the forums ;-)
[03:03] <PriceChild> Hey, I'm trying to finish my xvidcap package ( http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3582 ) .... but running pdebuild ends up with http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4364/ Could anyone give me a bit of help please?
[03:04] <zul> *grumble* *grumble*
[03:04] <LaserJock> uh oh
[03:04] <LaserJock> somebody didn't get a pony today :-)
[03:05] <zul> LaserJock: no i read the forums...apparently xen is unmaintained
[03:05] <LaserJock> of course it is!
[03:05] <ajmitch> I *told* you so
[03:05] <LaserJock> as is all of Universe
[03:05] <somerville32> So... Composite by default is deferred for Feisty?
[03:06] <LaserJock> and Mark is single-handedly screwing over the entire Ubuntu community
[03:06] <LaserJock> ;-)
[03:06] <PriceChild> LaserJock, see the one in cafe about mark paying people to storm the forums?
[03:06] <somerville32> LaserJock, Mark as in Mark Shuttleworth?
[03:07] <zul> meh...forums..
[03:07] <LaserJock> somerville32: of course :-)
[03:07] <somerville32> LaserJock: How is Mark screwing over the entire Ubuntu community?
[03:08] <ajmitch> somerville32: by denying them the shiny
[03:08] <ajmitch> & killing ponies
[03:08] <bddebian> What'd we not do this time? :-)
[03:08] <LaserJock> somerville32: by promising stuff that he can't deliver, apparently
[03:09] <LaserJock> I somewhat agree with their point in the sense that we need to be very careful about what we are saying *will* be in the next release
[03:09] <ajmitch> because sabdfl is secretly in league with MS!!
[03:09] <LaserJock> I don't consider a spec/blog to be a promise but some people do
[03:09] <somerville32> Oh, you were talking about composite being deferred before I even mentioned it, lol
[03:09] <ajmitch> some people consider even a vague rumour to be a promise
[03:10] <sistpoty> oh... the promises thing reminds me that we should do a revu sprint any time soon
[03:10] <ajmitch> yep
[03:10] <ajmitch> this week
[03:10] <sistpoty> .ok
[03:10] <ajmitch> maybe a 2-day thing?
[03:10] <PriceChild> Could anyone help me? :)
[03:10] <ajmitch> PriceChild: probably not
[03:10] <sistpoty> ajmitch: sounds great
[03:11] <sistpoty> starting on wednesday?
[03:11] <ajmitch> PriceChild: we're too busy complaining
[03:11] <PriceChild> hehe ah well :)
[03:11] <ajmitch> sistpoty: why not?
[03:11] <PriceChild> complaining does need to be done...
[03:11] <ajmitch> PriceChild: your pbuilder base tarball looks to be outdated or broken
[03:11] <PriceChild> if you don't do it then some other highly less qualified will attempt and do it all wrong
[03:11] <sistpoty> LaserJock: your opinion on revu-sprint?
[03:11] <PriceChild> ajmitch, I built it 5 minutes ago :(
[03:11] <sistpoty> bddebian: ^^?
[03:11] <ajmitch> PriceChild: then probably broken
[03:12] <PriceChild> hehe :)
[03:12] <PriceChild> How can it be fixed?
[03:12] <LaserJock> sistpoty: yes, very essential. Maybe 2 3-4 day sprints, 1 per week
[03:12] <bddebian> sistpoty: ??
[03:12] <ajmitch> PriceChild: depends on how it's broken
[03:12] <sistpoty> bddebian: what do you think of doing a revu sprint starting wednesday?
[03:12] <PriceChild> lol ajmitch
[03:12] <bddebian> sistpoty: You mean we stopped? ;-)
[03:13] <sistpoty> hehe
[03:13] <PriceChild> So how do i find out how its broken? ajmitch :P
[03:14] <sistpoty> ajmitch, LaserJock: I'll write a mail to the ml
[03:14] <ajmitch> sistpoty: thanks :)
[03:14] <bddebian> PriceChild: Have you updated your pbuilder lately?
[03:14] <PriceChild> bddebian, 5 minutes ago
[03:15] <ajmitch> PriceChild: login, find out why you can't install the packages
[03:15] <bddebian> Hmm, maybe somethings broken in the archives
[03:15] <PriceChild> but I can install them?
[03:15] <ajmitch> outside pbuilder, you can
[03:15] <PriceChild> I can
[03:16] <ajmitch> then use pbuilder login
[03:17] <PriceChild> ah sorry
[03:19] <PriceChild> This doesn't make sense :(
[03:20] <PriceChild> zlib1g-dev: Depends: zlib1g (= 1:1.2.3-13ubuntu2) but 1:1.2.3-13ubuntu3 is to be installed
[03:21] <ajmitch> that's ok, if it were easy, we wouldn't be so elitist ;)
[03:21] <PriceChild> zlib1g is already the newest version.
[03:21] <PriceChild> haha
[03:21] <bddebian> ajmitch: lol
[03:21] <ajmitch> check where it wants to get things from in sources.list
[03:21] <ajmitch> & with apt-cache policy
[03:22] <ajmitch> something is out of sync there, usually due to having security/updates missing or similar
[03:22] <sistpoty> hm... should I write the announce to -devel-announce? or just -motu?
[03:23] <bddebian> PriceChild: It built for me but your version is wrong
[03:23] <PriceChild> version?
[03:23] <PriceChild> And why is it not building for me? :'(
[03:24] <PriceChild> policy has a higher version than installed... Something's very wrong... :P
[03:24] <ajmitch> sistpoty: -devel-announce could be good, we may get others willing to help out
[03:24] <sistpoty> ajmitch: ok
[03:24] <bddebian> Should be something like xvidcap-1.1.4p1-0ubuntu1
[03:24] <sistpoty> ajmitch, LaserJock: anything missing/errors? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4368/
[03:25] <bddebian> PriceChild: I assume it also should not be a native package
[03:25] <PriceChild> I'm confused as to what you mean :)
[03:26] <LaserJock> we can't make the REVU sprint next week?
[03:26] <ajmitch> sistpoty: I wouldn't say that it's to get "as many in as possible"
[03:26] <ajmitch> since I really don't like that
[03:26] <bddebian> PriceChild: I mean you should have an orig.tar.gz
[03:26] <sistpoty> LaserJock: we could make another sprint next week?
[03:27] <sistpoty> ajmitch: better suggestion?
[03:27] <ajmitch> but to review & give feedback on as many packages as possible, to ensure they meet our high quality standards
[03:27] <bddebian> Get all the crap in we can... :-)
[03:27] <PriceChild> bddebian, I do...? I guess I'm still confused... :)
[03:27] <ajmitch> since it's really a two-way thing, motus teaching people the ways of packaging
[03:28] <bddebian> PriceChild: Your upstream tarball should be xvidcap_1.1.4p1.org.tar.gz, not xvidcap_1.1.4p1.tar.gz
[03:28] <bddebian> s/org/orig/
[03:28] <sistpoty> ajmitch: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4369/
[03:28] <LaserJock> yeah, I think we really need to get the contributors on board
[03:29] <LaserJock> it's easier to guilt trip MOTUs in to reviewing, we know who they are
[03:29] <bddebian> ??
[03:29] <LaserJock> a REVU sprint really only seem effective to me if the contributors show up too
[03:29] <ajmitch> sistpoty: I guess it's ok
[03:29] <sistpoty> ajmitch: ok, thx for proof-reading
[03:29] <ScottK> I thought the REVU sprint was very helpful.
[03:29] <LaserJock> I can review all day but if there aren't people to respond and reupload at the end of the day we don't get much done
[03:30] <ajmitch> yep
[03:30] <PriceChild> bddebian, The upstream didn't package their source properly at all... so I had to make the orig myself and noted that in the changelog
[03:30] <ScottK> Seeing it coming got me off my duff and packaging.
[03:30] <ajmitch> sistpoty: feb 2nd?
[03:30] <LaserJock> ScottK: yep :-)
[03:30] <sistpoty> argl... -ENOCALENDAR *g*
[03:30] <ajmitch> hehe
[03:30] <ajmitch> wednesday == feb 7th
[03:31] <sistpoty> corrected :)
[03:31] <LaserJock> can we do Friday and Saturday?
[03:31] <PriceChild> bddebian, or does your point still stand? :)
[03:31] <bddebian> afaik it does
[03:31] <PriceChild> :(
[03:31] <sistpoty> LaserJock: well, we'd miss out core-devs on saturday I guess...
[03:31] <LaserJock> yep
[03:31] <sistpoty> LaserJock, ajmitch: how about thursday and friday?
[03:31] <LaserJock> but we might gain some contributors
[03:31] <LaserJock> as it's the weekend
[03:32] <PriceChild> bddebian, http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=81535&package_id=83441&release_id=464228 I don't understand what I'm meant to use instead though...
[03:32] <LaserJock> or am I the only guy nerdy enough to see the weekend as prime Ubuntu time
[03:32] <sistpoty> LaserJock: true as well
[03:32] <Nafallo> Fujitsu: ping
[03:32] <bddebian> PriceChild: Just rename the freakin' file man :-)
[03:32] <PriceChild> bddebian, lol ok
[03:32] <LaserJock> I still want to make sure we get in as many merges/updated merges in as possible before UVF
[03:32] <PriceChild> bddebian, See that kind of instruction I can understand! :D
[03:32] <sistpoty> LaserJock: I'm really undecided... ajmitch what do you think? or anyone else?
[03:33] <LaserJock> Thursday-Saturday?
[03:33] <sistpoty> sounds sane to me
[03:33] <LaserJock> 2 days with more core-devs available
[03:33] <ajmitch> it's going to be mostly MOTUs anyway
[03:33] <TheMuso> LaserJock: What do you mean Thurs-Sat?
[03:33] <ajmitch> and mostly bddebian & crimsun
[03:33] <sistpoty> yep
[03:33] <ajmitch> while the rest of us cheer them on
[03:33] <bddebian> Nah, I don't do nuttin'
[03:33] <ajmitch> & sit & drink beer
[03:33] <LaserJock> I know I'm going to be swamped until the weekend
[03:33] <LaserJock> and I'd like to help out more this time
[03:34] <sistpoty> bddebian: you're still the revu janitor :P
[03:34] <ajmitch> but I'm never one for reviewing
[03:34] <LaserJock> ajmitch: you can DO IT!
[03:34] <sistpoty> unfortunately /me is a little bit stressed with thesis right now... but I'll try to review as much as possible
[03:35] <sistpoty> LaserJock: will you be doing another revu-report?
[03:35] <LaserJock> yep
[03:35] <sistpoty> cool
[03:35] <LaserJock> I might have a pre-sprint report
[03:35] <sistpoty> even better :)
[03:35] <LaserJock> to update on what we did since the first one
[03:35] <TheMuso> Guys, give me a couple of days doing a few more merges, and I'll be happy to give reviewing a shot at least.
[03:35] <ajmitch> LaserJock: nah I've got other things I have to get done by then
[03:36] <LaserJock> if you get the email out I'll blog it
[03:36] <ajmitch> and stick it on the forums? ;)
[03:36] <LaserJock> ummmm, do I have to?
[03:36] <PriceChild> bddebian, but then "debuild -S -sa" goes crazy and "ignoring deletion of file....." several times
[03:37] <sistpoty> ok, next try with the mail: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4371/
[03:37] <TheMuso> gah mom could really do with a comments field
[03:38] <ajmitch> TheMuso: that was the other thing I was going to do for stuff
[03:38] <ajmitch> oh well, I suck
[03:38] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Never mind.
[03:38] <bddebian> PriceChild: Did you generate your package with the other tarball before you re-packed it?
[03:38] <LaserJock> TheMuso: poke Keybuk about it
[03:38] <TheMuso> Its just a matter of people checking for sync requests etc before working
[03:38] <LaserJock> TheMuso: it's the #1 complaint I've seen about MoM
[03:39] <PriceChild> bddebian, I just replaced the orig I made with the one from upstream then ran it...
[03:39] <sistpoty> ok, mail sent
[03:39] <bddebian> PriceChild: Why?
[03:39] <PriceChild> :s why to which bit?
[03:40] <PriceChild> hehe :)
[03:40] <LaserJock> sistpoty: excellent, thanks
[03:40] <PriceChild> sorry
[03:40] <bddebian> PriceChild: Why did you re-pack it in the first place?
[03:40] <PriceChild> I can't remember whether I did now.... :(
[03:40] <Nafallo> Fujitsu: I guess you never committed that libvorbis thing for mplayer?
[03:41] <PriceChild> bddebian, ah yeah I did.... well sorta... I basically deleted the "debian" folder to make the orig
[03:41] <bddebian> There ya go.  If you do that, you have to build with the tarball you made
[03:42] <PriceChild> hehe pardon? :)
[03:43] <bddebian> If you make a new tarball, you have to build with that, you can't switch back and forth
[03:43] <PriceChild> Ok yes I get that... :)
[03:43] <Hobbsee> bddebian: you do realise that the latest upload of that isnt PriceChild's?
[03:44] <bddebian> Hobbsee: Oh, no, I didn't :-)
[03:44] <PriceChild> hehe
[03:44] <Hobbsee> bddebian: :)
[03:46] <Nafallo> Fujitsu: FYI, I do it know :-)
[03:47] <TheMuso> Anybody working on libpam-ccreds?
[03:49] <Nafallo> hmm. what's the correct debhelper to depend on those days?
[03:49] <Hobbsee> >= 5, iirc
[03:50] <Fujitsu_> Nafallo: I didn't do it before I left work, correct. If you want to do it, go ahead.
[03:50] <Nafallo> Hobbsee: thanks
[03:50] <Nafallo> Fujitsu: already done :-)
[03:50] <bddebian>  >=5.0.37
[03:51] <Nafallo> Fujitsu: seems my branch is bound to launchpad ;-)
[03:51] <Fujitsu_> Te ubuntu.83493 branch?
[03:51] <Fujitsu_> *The
[03:51] <Nafallo> Fujitsu: no. that's not bound. ubuntu is bound. the other one is for that bug and is not bound :-)
[03:52] <Fujitsu_> OK.
[03:53] <Fujitsu_> I note that you haven't merged it into ubuntu yet... Or has the push not finished yet?
[03:53] <Nafallo> Fujitsu: both is true. I'm not quite finished with it yet either. I need to touch debian/* :-)
[03:53] <Fujitsu_> OK.
[03:53] <Fujitsu_> Why?
[03:54] <Nafallo> changelog entry + debian/rules --enable-pulse :-)
[03:54] <Nafallo> and debian/control
[04:05] <Fujitsu_> I was thinking about bumping the standards version a couple of hours after I upload it yesterday >_>
[04:06] <Nafallo> :-)
[04:08] <Fujitsu_> How should we do changelog entries? Create a new one with distro UNRELEASED, adding entries in each commit, and only changing the distro to feisty (or whatever) when it's about to be uploaded? Otherwise, changes might not get noted in the changelog...
[04:09] <Nafallo> I thought we might see how bzr handles it when we just do dch -i in multiple places and then merge... I hope it's smart about it actually :-)
[04:10] <Nafallo> if we only worked on ubuntu we just need to dch and it will probably "just work"(tm)
[04:10] <Fujitsu_> So debian/changelog should be modified in each commit?
[04:11] <Nafallo> I do that now anyway :-)
[04:11] <Nafallo> will see if it actually works.
[04:11] <Fujitsu_> Yep.
[04:12] <Fujitsu_> It is.
[04:12] <Fujitsu_> Except when pushes take 3 hours!
[04:12] <Nafallo> indeed :-)
[04:12] <Fujitsu_> Bzr should be great for maintaining packages like this.
[04:13] <bddebian> Has someone already requested a sync of libgalago-gtk_0.5.0-1?  I don't see if they have
[04:14] <Nafallo> oh. the branchpage for ubuntu is finally updated .-)
[04:14] <Nafallo> :-)
[04:20] <Fujitsu_> Indeed.
[04:21] <Fujitsu_> It might be nice if the branch pages showed (or allowed expansion of) commits within merges.
[04:22] <Nafallo> oh.
[04:22] <Nafallo> imbrandon: I just ran pbuilder-feisty
[04:23] <Nafallo> imbrandon: I just ran pbuilder-feisty update
[04:23] <Nafallo> :-)
[04:23] <Nafallo> imbrandon: could we have hooks that do that every run? :-)
[04:24] <ajmitch> sure, why not
[04:24] <LaserJock> it depends on what machine I'm using
[04:24] <ajmitch> a 1-line hook isn't too challenging
[04:24] <Nafallo> ajmitch: don't forget dist-upgrade in a hook after :-)
[04:24] <LaserJock> on my laptop it takes 1 min for the pbuilder to unpack
[04:25] <LaserJock> so I don't update as often on that one
[04:25] <ajmitch> Nafallo: not that it's really needed, that's just asking to break things
[04:25] <Nafallo> ajmitch: I've used it since... breezy or so. never had any breakage
[04:25] <Nafallo> it just does what update does
[04:26] <Nafallo> pbuilder update that is
[04:27] <Nafallo> like now it would have updated gcc and python :-P
[04:27] <Nafallo> toolchain might be good to have up-to-date :-)
[04:29] <sistpoty> gn8 everyone
[04:30] <Nafallo> wow
[04:30] <Nafallo> that's early for being him :-P
[04:32] <Fujitsu__> Heh.
[04:35] <Nafallo> hehe
[04:36] <Nafallo> lots of deprecated warnings when building mplayer :-)
[04:37] <Nafallo> bug 60473
[04:37] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60473 in mplayer "mplayer slowly starting because of AF_INET6" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/60473
[04:38] <Nafallo> hrm. what to do about that one? :-)
[04:38] <LaserJock> remove mplayer from the repos? ;-)
[04:38] <Nafallo> my gutfeeling is that we shouldn't be in the way for the IPv6 revolution ;-)
[04:38] <Nafallo> but then again... I actually have an /48 ;-)
[04:43] <Nafallo> hmm
[04:43] <Nafallo> I should use feisty on this system... ;-)
[05:03] <LaserJock> hmm, the REVU report is interesting
[05:04] <LaserJock> it takes an average of 20 comments/updates for each new package uploaded
[05:05] <LaserJock> unless people aren't emailing -motu when they upload (which is certainly possible
[05:05] <LaserJock> )
[05:05] <LaserJock> s/20/40/
[05:05] <ajmitch> that's quite a few rounds that a package has to fight through to get in
[05:05] <LaserJock> yeah
[05:06] <LaserJock> for the first revu sprint it to 12/ new package
[05:07] <LaserJock> *took
[05:07] <LaserJock> something seems wrong there
[05:08] <bddebian> Yeah. :-)
[05:11] <LaserJock> well, shoot, what am I going to do
[05:12] <LaserJock> how can I tell what NEW packages have been uploaded
[05:13] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: look in the archive?
[05:14] <LaserJock> but how do I know if it's NEW or not?
[05:21] <Hobbsee> madison - source accepted, but no binary?
[05:21] <LaserJock> but that would only work for stuff that hasn't been processed
[05:22] <LaserJock> I need to find out what package have been added to Universe since date X
[05:23] <Nafallo> LaserJock: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+queue this one?
[05:24] <LaserJock> well, that has yet to be proccessed ones
[05:24] <LaserJock> I need to get historical
[05:24] <Nafallo> LaserJock: change NEW to something else?
[05:24] <Nafallo> LaserJock: you got a listbox at the top
[05:25] <LaserJock> Nafallo: Done give me 43297 results
[05:26] <Nafallo> LaserJock: nice ;-)
[05:26] <Nafallo> I'll go to bed now :-)
[05:26] <Nafallo> see you there
[05:26] <Fujitsu_> Night, Nafallo./
[05:31] <Nafallo> back :-)
[05:31] <somerville32> Does anyone know of a tutorial for setting up an LDAP server on Ubuntu?
[05:31] <Nafallo> somerville32: help.ubuntu.com/community should have something
[05:34] <somerville32> Oh goodie!!
[05:34] <somerville32> There is :)
[05:35] <Nafallo> help.ubuntu.com quickly becomes better than gentoo docs :-)
[05:36] <Nafallo> and that is not a small achievement
[05:38] <Nafallo> I will probably start to host my branches on my server, that is bound to launchpad, and then have the workingtrees as checkouts from there :-)
[05:40] <Fujitsu_> Nafallo: Why not use the supermirror?
[05:41] <Nafallo> I'll use that aswell, as I said :-)
[05:41] <Fujitsu_> If they're hosted on your server, they're not hosted on the supermirror.
[05:42] <Nafallo> my current setup have been mkdir ~/devel/$package/; bzr init-repo bzr; cd bzr; bzr co sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/...; cd ..; bzr co --lightweight bzr/ubuntu
[05:43] <Nafallo> and then bind bzr/ubuntu to the supermirror
[05:43] <Nafallo> I think I will move the repos to my server as ~/bzr/$package instead
[05:44] <Nafallo> I can still bind them to the supermirror :-)
[05:45] <Fujitsu_> True.
[05:47] <Nafallo> http://bazaar-vcs.org/SmartServer
[05:47] <Nafallo> use case 5 is me in a nutcase
[05:48] <LaserJock> hehe
[05:48] <LaserJock> s/nutcase/nutshell/
[05:49] <LaserJock> or maybe not ;-)
[05:49] <Nafallo> that to :-)
[05:55] <Nafallo> seems the supermirror doesn't run the smartserver yet
[05:55] <LaserJock> exactly :(
[05:56] <Nafallo> and 6.10 seems to have only bzr 0.11... :-/
[05:57] <LaserJock> that's why I added the bzr repo
[05:59] <Nafallo> oh?
[06:11] <LaserJock> Nafallo: bazaar-vcs.org has a bzr repo
[06:11] <LaserJock> or rather a deb repo for bzr
[06:12] <Nafallo> nice. didn't see that
[06:29] <zakame> afternoon MOTUs
[06:32] <Fujitsu_> LaserJock: Or grab a Feisty package, or a backport, both of which are likely more trustworthy.
[06:33] <LaserJock> you think so?
[06:34] <poolboy> guys the MOTU/Merging page on the wiki needs to be updated who should i contact about this?
[06:35] <LaserJock> do you know what needs to be updated?
[06:35] <poolboy> there are a couple of link which are broken
[06:35] <poolboy> that is the only thing i've noticed so far
[06:35] <LaserJock> well, the wiki is open for editing
[06:36] <poolboy> yeah but i wouldn't know where to link it to
[06:36] <LaserJock> if you don't feel comfortable doing that let me know which links and I'll fix them
[06:36] <poolboy> ok here
[06:37] <poolboy> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Merging?action=show&redirect=Merging
[06:37] <poolboy> that is the page and the links are to The new Debian source package files that the Dapper packages will be derived from:
[06:37] <poolboy> [WWW]  xcdroast_0.98+0alpha15-3.dsc
[06:37] <poolboy> [WWW]  xcdroast_0.98+0alpha15-3.diff.gz
[06:38] <poolboy> i would not mind doing it if I knew the content and i'm new to linux so I don't think i should be messing with the wiki just yet
[06:40] <poolboy> Thank you for your help
[06:41] <LaserJock> hmm, so the broken links are to those xcdroast files?
[06:42] <poolboy> yeah
[06:42] <LaserJock> that's a tough one
[06:42] <LaserJock> those files come and go, that's the hard part of doing a real life tutorial
[06:42] <poolboy> yeah i tough it might be
[06:43] <poolboy> i was trying to go through the tutorial and without those it also gets kind of hard
[06:43] <LaserJock> but ... I think I archived those files for the Ubuntu Packaging Guide
[06:43] <Fujitsu_> LaserJock, those files won't go for another 4 years if you use the latest Dapper ones.
[06:44] <LaserJock> it's the Debian ones that are the hard part
[06:44] <Fujitsu_> A good point.
[06:44] <poolboy> the debian ones still seem to be up.
[06:44] <LaserJock> it's the Breezy ones?
[06:45] <poolboy> no i'm sorry
[06:45] <poolboy> i read the whrong thing
[06:45] <poolboy> it is the debian one
[06:50] <poolboy> I found the files trough google but i'm not sure they are reliable
[06:51] <LaserJock> poolboy: fixed
[06:51] <LaserJock> thanks for bringing it up
[06:51] <poolboy> no problem thanks for fixing it
[06:52] <poolboy> i'll go over the tutorial later
[06:52] <poolboy> thanks
[07:20] <LaserJock> anybody know how to split up a Depends: line into individual package names?
[07:23] <zakame> @pkgnames = split /, +/ => $depends; @pkgnames = map { s/\(.*\)// } @pkgnames;
[07:24] <LaserJock> oh my
[07:25] <zakame> sorry I'm in perl-mode :P
[07:25] <LaserJock> how do I even use that?
[07:27] <zakame> then again there ought to be something in devscripts that does that iirc
[07:30] <LaserJock> wow, there are a lot more scripts in there than I thought
[07:31] <zakame> check out dctrl-tools as well
[07:36] <LaserJock> hmm, can't find a specific tool for it
[07:37] <zakame> Nafallo: keep 'em coming :D
[07:37] <LaserJock> bah, I'll have to work on this tomorrow
[07:38] <Nafallo> hmm
[07:38] <Nafallo> I should try to get some sleep soon though
[07:38] <Nafallo> 7:37 AM here.
[07:39] <zakame> hmm yeah and I reckon you had to set up a new service?
[07:39] <Nafallo> I didn't get that far.
[07:39] <Nafallo> I'm not sure how I want to implement my bzr SmartServer.
[07:41] <Nafallo> the easiest might be to just launch it with a @reboot-line in crontab though.
[07:42] <Nafallo> either that or learn upstart and launch it when /home is mounted
[07:50] <AnAnt> hello , do I have to create a man-page for a binary that doesn't use any command lines, and it is a GUI application actually
[07:51] <Nafallo> <3 ccache
[07:54] <AnAnt> hu ?
[07:55] <AnAnt> ping crimsun
[07:55] <AnAnt> ping ajmitch
[07:56] <AnAnt> ping lionel
[08:05] <zakame> AnAnt: they're probably counting sheep.
[08:05] <AnAnt> why didn't they make a package to do that for them ;)
[08:06] <AnAnt> ok, I got what you mean
[08:06] <zakame> AnAnt: if you can write a manpage, write a manpage; if your program has documentation somewhere else, you could add their links in the manpage (eg SEE ALSO)
[08:06] <zakame> hehe, actually there's electricsheep
[08:07] <AnAnt> zakame: ok, another question, the program has mozilla-browser | firefox in its Depends: field
[08:08] <AnAnt> zakame: but since it works better with mozilla-browser, the packager decided to put mozilla-browser in the Recommends: field also
[08:08] <AnAnt> is that the correct way ? because lintian/linda gave a warning about that
[08:08] <zakame> hmm why not www-browser in Depends?
[08:09] <AnAnt> zakame: no, not any www-browser, I think it uses some libraries that are in mozilla's/firefox's browser
[08:09] <zakame> ah
[08:09] <zakame> is this a package for merging?
[08:09] <AnAnt> merging ?
[08:11] <zakame> I mean, what package are you working on? is that a new one (eg to be REVUd) or a package from Debian?
[08:11] <AnAnt> zakame: a new package
[08:11] <AnAnt> to be REVU'd
[08:12] <AnAnt> I am not working on it, just helping the packager
[08:13] <zakame> ah I see
[08:13] <zakame> what exactly was the warning lintian gave you?
[08:13] <AnAnt> Package Recommends mozilla-browser, which is also listed in Depends.
[08:13] <AnAnt> it's linda btw
[08:14] <AnAnt> lintian didn't complain
[08:16] <zakame> ah, afaik that's ok, you may probably ignore the warning
[08:17] <zakame> better yet, if you can isolate which libs in mozilla-browser/firefox your package uses, use that instead of the browsers
[08:18] <AnAnt> zakame: the libs are in the mozilla-browser package, not a package the the browser depends on
[08:18] <AnAnt> I mean the libs are in the mozilla-browser/firefox package itself
[08:40] <AnAnt> zakame: btw, if the system has neither mozilla-browser nor firefox installed
[08:40] <AnAnt> zakame: and Depends field has mozilla-browser|firefox in it
[08:40] <AnAnt> zakame: which one will the system attempt to install ?
[08:41] <zakame> good question.
[08:45] <joejaxx> anyone ever heard of Xorg using 400mb of ram?
[08:45] <lionel> Hi AnAnt
[08:45] <lionel> it should install mozilla-browser
[08:46] <lionel> and yes, you should do a manpage :)
[08:46] <lionel> (as lintian/minda will say)
[08:47] <lionel> joejaxx: in residual or virtual ?
[08:48] <AnAnt> lionel: but what will be mentioned in the manpage ?
[08:48] <joejaxx> lionel: residual
[08:49] <lionel> AnAnt: just a little description of the program (and of its arguments if aplicable)
[08:49] <joejaxx> lionel: 650mb virtual
[08:49] <lionel> joejaxx: that's quite a lot but... Here it's 503mb in virtual and 213mb in residual
[08:50] <joejaxx> :(
[08:50] <joejaxx> somerville32: haha j/k
[08:50] <somerville32> Eww
[08:50] <joejaxx> :P
[08:51] <somerville32> It won't let me have dashes or dots in my uid
[08:51] <joejaxx> somerville32: :\
[08:52] <joejaxx> lionel: do you know of anything that would have triggered that?
[08:52] <lionel> joejaxx: nope
[08:52] <joejaxx> it is not like i am running beryl
[08:52] <lionel> somerville32: strange
[08:52] <AnAnt> lionel: ok, thanks
[08:52] <lionel> which version of OpenLDAP are you using ?
[08:52] <somerville32> 2.2?
[08:52] <lionel> here i have uid with dot and arobase
[08:53] <lionel> it is a 2.2 here (Debian Sarge)
[08:54] <somerville32> What is a arobase?
[08:54] <lionel>  @
[08:55] <lionel> hi dholbach !
[08:55] <dholbach> good morning
[08:55] <dholbach> hey lionel
[08:57] <zakame> yo dholbach!
[08:58] <dholbach> hey zakame
[09:05] <AnAnt> btw, is there anyone here who can sponsor a package that I uploaded to Debian ?
[09:08] <ajmitch> morning dholbach
[09:08] <dholbach> hey ajmitch
[09:09] <lucas> you already uploaded it ?
[09:09] <lucas> ?!
[09:09] <lucas> AnAnt: ^^
[09:12] <AnAnt> lucas: yeah
[09:13] <AnAnt> lucas: sorry I was away of desk
[09:14] <AnAnt> ping lucas
[09:14] <lucas> AnAnt: what do you want ? :)
[09:15] <AnAnt> lucas: well, why were u asking if I uploaded it ?
[09:15] <lucas> you need a sponsor. to upload which package ? to where ?
[09:16] <AnAnt> lucas: Debian
[09:16] <lucas> but you said that you already uploaded it in debian ?
[09:16] <AnAnt> lucas: well, the sponsor is to advocate it I guess
[09:16] <AnAnt> lucas: btw, I uploaded it to mentors.debian.net
[09:17] <lucas> ah ok
[09:17] <lucas> then why not ask on #debian-mentors ?
[09:17] <AnAnt> ok
[09:17] <AnAnt> thanks
[09:17] <lucas> I don't have time for a full review now, sorry
[09:18] <AnAnt> lucas: well, if I am not in a hurry ? can I give you the links ?
[09:18] <lidb_> hello, who can help review llk-linux, a mahjongg-like game, thanks
[09:19] <lucas> ask on debian-mentors. that will be more efficient.
[09:19] <AnAnt> ok, thanks
[09:25] <Q-FUNK> hmm. is there any way to make "apt-get source --download-only $(dpkg --get-selections | cut -f 1)" skip packages it cannot find?  --ignore-missing doesn't seem to work for source.
[09:37] <\sh> moins
[09:38] <\sh> guys, does anyone know how I can remove DRM from wma files under linux, without destroying the file?
[09:53] <viviersf> ajmitch, ping
[11:00] <AnAnt> anyone knows a package using dpkg-statoverride ?
[11:03] <ajmitch> viviersf: yes?
[11:04] <AnAnt> found one, thanks
[11:15] <AnAnt> I ran  dpkg-statoverride root shadow 4755 /usr/bin/tss
[11:16] <AnAnt> yet when I run ls -l /usr/bin/tss, I don't find any +s mode on it !
[11:16] <AnAnt> what is dpkg-statoverride for then ?
[11:19] <viviersf> ajmitch, nm got right :)
[11:19] <viviersf> thx anyways
[11:20] <ajmitch> ok
[11:47] <AnAnt> oh, I should use --update
[12:27] <popey> now the qemu kqemu module has gone GPL, and it's in debians NEW queue, is it likely we will get it in time for feisty?
[12:32] <Fujitsu> popey: No reason we can't. FeatureFreeze is a couple of weeks away.
[12:35] <popey> excellent
[12:35] <popey> is there something that needs to be done to poke it along?
[12:37] <Adri2000> sync request
[12:37] <Fujitsu> We can't sync from NEW.
[12:37] <Fujitsu> So we need to wait. If it gets dangerously close to FF, we'll work around it.
[12:37] <popey> sure but the fact that it went from announced free to the new queue in 4 hours might mean it gets into debian quickly? :)
[12:38] <Fujitsu> Yeah, that's rather incredible.
[12:39] <popey> clearly some motivation for a truly free easy to use and fast virtualiser
[12:39] <popey> especially given it now does x86_64
[12:39] <Fujitsu> Oooh, I like it.
[12:39] <popey> which virtualbox doesnt (yet)
[12:40] <popey> yeah, fabrice needs a big pat on the back for that decision
[12:41] <Fujitsu> It does MIPS and [insert other obscure architectures here]  too, doesn't it?
[12:41] <popey> yes
[12:42] <popey> the kernel accelerator "only" does i386 and x86_64 thought at the moment
[01:20] <gnomefreak> Can you package with debhelper without renaming everything -debhelper?
[01:22] <Fujitsu> gnomefreak, I think a better question is can you do the opposite of that.
[01:23] <Fujitsu> I've never seen any package with -debhelper.
[01:23] <gnomefreak> from the packaging link it says to rename everything -debhelper
[01:24] <gnomefreak> i think its because you grabbed source hello-debhelper-2.1.1.tar.gz
[01:25] <gnomefreak> but stupid me was changing everything to -debhelper and than it complains about not finidng the orig.tar.gz
[01:25] <Fujitsu> It only says that to differentiate from the non-debhelper hello.
[01:26] <gnomefreak> ok cool ill try it leaving everything the same except for adding debhelper >=5 to control
[01:31] <Fujitsu> siretart, around?
[01:35] <sladen> popey: I wonder if the bugs which prevents kqemu actually booting the LiveCD have been fixed
[01:35] <popey> well I can't get kqemu to compile here :S
[01:41] <xerxas> giskard ?
[01:48] <xerxas> someone which has upload right to the ftp here ?
[01:48] <xerxas> dholbach,  ?
[01:48] <xerxas> can you point me to someone ? My package have been advocated, it's supposed to be in the upload queue, but it doesn't get uploaded for 10 days or so
[01:48] <xerxas> I need that package to be uploaded so I can package landell
[01:50] <Hobbsee> xerxas: to the ftp where?
[01:50] <dholbach> xerxas: the source is in ubuntu already
[01:50] <dholbach> xerxas: it might have ftbfs
[01:51] <xerxas> ftbfs ?
[01:51] <dholbach> no, it has built
[01:51] <dholbach> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libtapioca-cil/0.14.svn20070104-0ubuntu1
[01:51] <dholbach> ftbfs = fail to build from source
[01:51] <xerxas> so ?
[01:51] <xerxas> where it is then ?
[01:51] <dholbach> no idea
[01:51] <xerxas> Hobbsee,  don't know :)
[01:51] <dholbach> ask the archive admins in #ubuntu-devel
[01:52] <dholbach> mithrandir might know
[01:52] <Hobbsee> xerxas: to ubuntu, to revu....
[01:52] <Hobbsee> it's probably waiting in binary NEW, actually
[01:52] <xerxas> Hobbsee,  to revu, then giskard  uploaded it to ubuntu , i think so
[01:54] <giskard> ?
[01:54] <ScottK> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=libtapioca
[01:55] <giskard> it is in ubuntu where is the problem?
[01:56] <xerxas> giskard,  I still don't see it
[01:57] <xerxas> giskard,  at least, on packages.ubuntu.com -> feisty
[01:57] <xerxas> I have no feisty available right no
[01:57] <xerxas> now
[01:58] <ScottK> xerxas: Did you check the link I provided above?
[01:59] <xerxas> not yet :)
[01:59] <xerxas> currently checking
[02:00] <xerxas> ScottK,  what does that mean ?
[02:00] <xerxas> that means that the packages are built ?
[02:00] <ScottK> No it means that they didn't build automatically for some reason and require manual intervention.
[02:01] <ScottK> Beyond that you'll need to ask someone that knows more than me.
[02:37] <siretart> Fujitsu: sorry, /me at work.
[03:02] <zakame> hmm what's the preferred java version for building new java packages for feisty, if ever?
[03:32] <\sh> I wonder what we do with all those packages who are using linux/ include files, which are not in linux-libc-dev anymore?
[03:32] <\sh> e.g. dibbler
[03:32] <\sh> moins btw
[04:38] <Nafallo> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4271
[04:45] <Nafallo> slomo: ping mp3lib
[05:57] <slomo> Nafallo: pong
[05:58] <Nafallo> slomo: bug 83580
[05:58] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 83580 in mplayer "mplayer compiled without mp3 support" [Undecided,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83580
[05:58] <Nafallo> slomo: I should enable mp3lib again or do you remember why you turned it off?
[06:00] <slomo> Nafallo: enable it again... it was only disabled for the previous release we had because of a bug that caused very bad distortions (i.e. plain noise)
[06:00] <slomo> Nafallo: enable it again please, it's fixed in svn since ages
[06:00] <Nafallo> slomo: oki
[06:00] <slomo> whoever updated to the new upstream version should've taken a look at the old changelog entries :P
[06:01] <Nafallo> slomo: Fujitsu
[06:01] <slomo> ok
[06:17] <\sh> grmpf
[06:17] <tsmithe> hmm
[06:18] <tsmithe> now that kqemu has been released as foss all that needs doing is the licence updating and it can be moved to universe
[06:28] <\sh> crimsun: ping xmms2 :)
[06:28] <\sh> git-rev-core is what?
[06:28] <\sh> aeh git-rev-parse
[06:29] <\sh> ah build-dep on git-core
[06:29] <\sh> is missing
[06:30] <\sh> so fixing xmms2 first...*grmpf*
[06:37] <\sh> xmms2 fix uploaded
[06:45] <\sh> am I stupid?
[06:45] <geser> \sh it's not the missing dep
[06:45] <\sh> can someone tell me what's written in this logfile, where the package belongs?
[06:45] <\sh> http://people.debian.org/~lucas/logs/2007/02/01/ubuntu-rebuild/eyed3_0.6.11-1_feisty32.buildlog
[06:46] <\sh> geser: git-rev-parse is in git-core, which wasn't mentioned in the build-deps...(I think you mean xmms2)
[06:46] <geser> yes, i mean xmms2 but this is not the build failure
[06:46] <\sh> this logfile tells me, that it's universe, but archive.ubuntu.com tells me main
[06:47] <\sh> geser: http://librarian.launchpad.net/6221835/buildlog_ubuntu-feisty-i386.xmms2_0.2DrHouse-3.1ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[06:47] <geser> \sh: /bin/sh: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `('
[06:48] <geser> it's the HASH(0x82db558)="" in the next line causing the problem
[06:49] <geser> according to cjwatscon it's probably a bug in sbuild
[06:50] <\sh> hmmm
[06:50] <\sh> in pbuilder it compiles fine
[06:50] <\sh> *gnarf*
[06:50] <gnomefreak> anyone else having problem with pbuilder erroring while trying to grab depands?
[06:50] <geser> I will ask infinity about it
[06:51] <\sh> I wonder why lucas lists tells me "this package is universe" but my i386 system tells me something else
[06:53] <geser> \sh: eyed3 went into main 3 days ago
[06:53] <\sh> argl...ok...that's it
[06:54] <\sh> ok changed it to the right maintainer field then...
[06:55] <geser> \sh: at http://members.ping.de/~mb/srcmaintainermangler/ you can find a script if you need one
[06:56] <\sh> ping.de still exists in dortmund? ,-)
[06:56] <geser> yes
[06:56] <gnomefreak> LaserJock: you around?
[06:56] <\sh> geser: can it be that we know each other from older times from dortmund? ( I was a beginning member of prima e.V.)
[06:57] <LaserJock> gnomefreak: yeah, what's up?
[06:58] <gnomefreak> LaserJock: the packaging guide for debhelper: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-debhelper.html  can you edit that to use a real package?
[06:58] <geser> \sh: not that I know, I'm a ping members since 1999
[06:58] <gnomefreak> LaserJock: most people arnt gonna build hello-dehelper ;)
[06:58] <LaserJock> why?
[06:59] <gnomefreak> took me 3 days to figure out why it couldnt find source
[06:59] <LaserJock> what?
[06:59] <LaserJock> it's in the repos
[06:59] <gnomefreak> LaserJock: apt-get source hello-debhelper  (thats the only package with -debhelper_)
[06:59] <LaserJock> oh stink
[06:59] <LaserJock> a typo you mean
[06:59] <gnomefreak> LaserJock: but relistickly speaking how many people are gonna build it
[06:59] <geser> \sh: ping and prima have merged in the last year
[06:59] <gnomefreak> thats a type :(
[06:59] <\sh> geser: oh then I was just gone from dortmund...do you still know Bettina Balz now Bettina Neuhaus?
[07:00] <LaserJock> gnomefreak: everyone that wants to learn how to package :-)
[07:00] <gnomefreak> LaserJock: i could understand if it was apt-get source hello
[07:00] <gnomefreak> LaserJock: but its non transferable
[07:00] <\sh> geser: carsten truckenbrodt is still doing something for prima+ping?
[07:00] <LaserJock> what? I'm not understanding
[07:00] <gnomefreak> if you start renaming dir. its gonna fail to build
[07:00] <geser> \sh: I've heard the name (and read some mails from her) but not meet her in person yet
[07:01] <LaserJock> there are 2 packages, hello and hello-debhelper
[07:01] <gnomefreak> because upstream source and ubuntu source are named different
[07:01] <LaserJock> what's wrong with them?
[07:01] <gnomefreak> upstream is hello ubuntu is hjello-debhelper
[07:01] <gnomefreak> -j
[07:01] <LaserJock> ah
[07:01] <\sh> geser: looks like that I have to visit my old hometown and check what've changed in the last years :)
[07:01] <LaserJock> well, I'm not sure if that's a problem
[07:01] <LaserJock> it's a teaching tool
[07:02] <LaserJock> gnomefreak: so what would you suggest?
[07:02] <gnomefreak> where do we have cheat sheets for real packages?
[07:02] <LaserJock> hello and hello-debhelper are real packages
[07:03] <gnomefreak> if i wanted to rebuild ubuntus verison of say firestarter. i cant apt-get source firestarter-debhelper
[07:03] <LaserJock> and what do you mean by cheat sheets?
[07:03] <LaserJock> :-)
[07:03] <LaserJock> why would you?
[07:03] <gnomefreak> the page ONLY applies to hello-debhelper
[07:03] <LaserJock> hello-debhelper is the source package name
[07:04] <LaserJock> source package names aren't always == upstream names
[07:04] <gnomefreak> LaserJock: ok building any other package this page is fairly usless (do you see what i mean) everything changes once outside a hello-debhelper package
[07:04] <LaserJock> no
[07:04] <LaserJock> I don't see that
[07:05] <gnomefreak> dh_make -e your.maintainer@address -f ../hello-2.1.1.tar.gz is only for upstream builds
[07:05] <LaserJock> fine
[07:05] <gnomefreak> mv hello-2.1.1 hello-debhelper-2.1.1 will cause fail to build
[07:05] <gnomefreak> if replaced with another package
[07:06] <gnomefreak> 3 days trying to figure out why it was failing on source package
[07:06] <LaserJock> ??
[07:06] <LaserJock> this doesn't make any sense to me
[07:07] <LaserJock> hello-debhelper is a source package
[07:07] <gnomefreak> LaserJock: i spent 3 days building a package because i followed the guide and it failed to buiold the source package because it wasnt package-debhelper
[07:07] <LaserJock> why would you call it package-debhelper
[07:07] <LaserJock> and it can work if you do it right
[07:07] <\sh> ok...now I have the second package.,..
[07:07] <\sh> ccvt_mmx.S:33:27: error: linux/linkage.h: No such file or directory
[07:07] <\sh> ccvt_mmx.S: Assembler messages:
[07:07] <\sh> ccvt_mmx.S:302: Error: invalid character '(' in mnemonic
[07:08] <gnomefreak> because in the guide it tells you to mv package package-debhelper
[07:08] <\sh> those includes are not in linux-libc-dev just in linux-kernel-headers.
[07:08] <gnomefreak> it will so fail to build because the dir adn source package dont match
[07:08] <LaserJock> gnomefreak: I don't think it does
[07:09] <gnomefreak> it does. and i think it is mainly because of control/changelog file having package-debhelper
[07:10] <gnomefreak> so i dont know if it works
[07:10] <LaserJock> ok
[07:11] <LaserJock> you want to move the source tree to <packagename>-<version>
[07:12] <LaserJock> ok, I think I see the issue
[07:15] <\sh> guys, what are we doing with this dash/bash ftbfs? { } completion problems etc.
[07:15] <LaserJock> gnomefreak: I'm just missing a mv hello-2.1.1 hello-debhelper-2.1.1
[07:16] <LaserJock> gnomefreak: probably leftover from the previous section
[07:16] <gnomefreak> its there
[07:16] <gnomefreak> mv hello-2.1.1 hello-debhelper-2.1.1 is there
[07:16] <LaserJock> what version are you looking at?
[07:16] <gnomefreak> just before the dh_make command
[07:17] <gnomefreak> the one ive been using for 3 days
[07:17] <gnomefreak> http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-debhelper.html
[07:17] <LaserJock> ok
[07:17] <LaserJock> I was looking at edgy, which doesn't have that
[07:17] <gnomefreak> ah
[07:18] <LaserJock> I fixed that a while ago
[07:18] <_Enchained> hi
[07:19] <LaserJock> gnomefreak: so now I'm confused, I don't see a problem
[07:19] <gnomefreak> the page im looking at is for upstream building or ubuntu packaging?
[07:20] <gnomefreak> than i will point out what i see causing fail to build
[07:20] <LaserJock> it's for building an Ubuntu/Debian source package using debhelper
[07:20] <gnomefreak> ok well start with dh_make command == only needed for upstream building
[07:21] <LaserJock> huh?
[07:21] <gnomefreak> no if you take apt-get source hello-debuilder and change it to apt-get source gdebi-debhelper we know wont work so you apt-get source gdebi
[07:22] <LaserJock> sure
[07:22] <LaserJock> you apt-get source <packagename>
[07:22] <gnomefreak> dh_make -e your.maintainer@address -f ../hello-2.1.1.tar.gz doesnt work unless you building upstream or debian package
[07:22] <gnomefreak> LaserJock: correct
[07:22] <LaserJock> or an Ubuntu package
[07:22] <LaserJock> I'm not really following you, sorry
[07:22] <gnomefreak> it doesnt work on firefox
[07:22] <LaserJock> if you do as the directions say it should work
[07:23] <LaserJock> what did you do?
[07:23] <gnomefreak> you go to mv package package-debhelper is no good why would you have a debhelper folder if you dont have debhelper package
[07:23] <gnomefreak> LaserJock: dh_make failled to run telling me about the source package
[07:23] <gnomefreak> i skipped it and did it by hand
[07:23] <LaserJock> ok, hello-debhelper is *just* the name of the source package
[07:24] <LaserJock> why whould you run dh_make on firefox?
[07:24] <gnomefreak> i figured that out and you know that but beginners wont know that
[07:24] <gnomefreak> LaserJock: it sounded good
[07:24] <LaserJock> umm, ok
[07:25] <LaserJock> I'm just not sure what you want me to do about it
[07:25] <LaserJock> if you follow the directions it works
[07:26] <LaserJock> should I be clearer that hello-debhelper is just the name of the package?
[07:26] <gnomefreak> yes and maybe put not all packages need dh_make
[07:26] <gnomefreak> seeing as firefox doesnt
[07:26] <gnomefreak> or cant
[07:26] <LaserJock> uggg
[07:26] <LaserJock> the whole point is we are creating *new* source packages
[07:27] <LaserJock> you shouldn't run dh_make on *any* existing source package
[07:27] <LaserJock> the point of that part of the guide is to teach people how to create source packages from scratch
[07:29] <LaserJock> granted, we need to get more material on working with existing source packages (we already have some on updates and patches) but it's good to know how to build one from scratch before you start messing around with other people's
[07:30] <\sh> geser: do you know Sven Kozma (aka Zak) from ping?
[07:30] <LaserJock> gnomefreak: does that make sense?
[07:31] <LaserJock> I could put a bit more description at the beginning to describe the overall process of what we're doing
[07:31] <gnomefreak> LaserJock: point taken
[07:36] <geser> \sh: have heard the name only
[07:36] <geser> \sh: I'm actively involved in ping only since 2004
[07:42] <\sh> geser: well, if you hear from him, or see him, greet him from me (I think this old guy still knows me (real name)) ...
[07:42] <\sh> time to go
[07:42] <\sh> tomorrow I'll have an appointment with HP..
[07:42] <\sh> cu
[07:48] <Nafallo> slomo: silly you! putting --disable-mp3lib where it didn't belong :-).
[07:51] <slomo> Nafallo: thanks for fixing it then ;)
[07:52] <Nafallo> slomo: I wondered why my --enable-mp3lib didn't seem to take effect ;-)
[08:05] <AnAnt> why does the Standards-Version have to be <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[08:06] <LaserJock> AnAnt: it doesn't have to be
[08:07] <LaserJock>  AnAnt it's good to have updated Standards-Version to show that a package is conforming to changes in Debian Policy
[08:07] <AnAnt> LaserJock: well, I recall that I got this comment in some review
[08:07] <LaserJock> but 3.7.2 is sufficient
[08:07] <LaserJock> you should use 3.7.2 if you are doing a new package
[08:08] <AnAnt> LaserJock: well, when I upload a package to debian they say why do you put Standards-Version to be <IP_ADDRESS> , put it 3.7.2 !
[08:08] <LaserJock> but please read the Debian Policy to make sure you agree with the Debian Policy
[08:08] <LaserJock> the last .2 is for typos
[08:08] <LaserJock> so it doesn't mean much
[08:08] <AnAnt> I see
[08:08] <LaserJock> so 3.7.2 is good to use
[08:09] <AnAnt> LaserJock: thanks
[08:09] <crimsun> \sh_away: pong, what about?
[08:38] <ajmitch> morning
[08:39] <crimsun> morning
[08:40] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch
[08:41] <zul> hey ajmitch
[08:54] <Adri2000> hi ajmitch, can you look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4272 please, debdiff between 4263 and 4272 doesn't work
[08:55] <ajmitch> then perhaps there were no changes made
[09:00] <Adri2000> ajmitch: right, the uploader (_Enchained ;)) forgot to debuild -S before uploading
[09:02] <_Enchained> catched Adri2000 ><
[09:06] <_Enchained> thx Adri2000 :)
[09:08] <Adri2000> now you need bddebian ;)
[09:19] <ajmitch> oh excellent, samba 3.0.24
[09:19] <_Enchained> ^^
[09:19] <ajmitch> *just* when I need it
[09:19] <ajmitch> or not..
[09:19] <_Enchained> and hope that it will be accepted for feisty :)
[09:19] <ajmitch> looks like it's a bugfix-only, not the 3_0_24 branch they were working ont
[09:20] <ajmitch> s/ont/on/
[09:21] <bigon> somebody could have a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4255 ? it's a new upstream version (stable) for sylpheed
[09:22] <ajmitch> bddebian will
[09:22] <geser> Hi bddebian
[09:22] <bddebian> Heya gang
[09:22] <bddebian> Hi ajmitch
[09:22] <bddebian> I will what?
[09:22] <_Enchained> hi my savior lol
[09:23] <_Enchained> just an update on dvd95 which should be nice
[09:23] <ajmitch> bddebian: review bigon's package (an update, not new)
[09:24] <bddebian> Didn't I already review it?
[09:25] <ajmitch> then if you did, and it's fine, it should have been uploaded?
[09:25] <LaserJock> hi bddebian
[09:25] <ajmitch> sorry, different package, I guess
[09:25] <ajmitch> hello LaserJock
[09:25] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[09:25] <bddebian> ajmitch: It wasn't fine iirc
[09:26] <bddebian> Oh, dvd95.. Hmm
[09:28] <bddebian> _Enchained: After showimg finishes building I'll take a look
[09:29] <bddebian> LaserJock: Did you ever get a minute to check out bibus?
[09:29] <LaserJock> not yet
[09:29] <LaserJock> I'm madly trying to file MIRs
[09:30] <_Enchained> no pb bddebian thanks
[09:32] <bddebian> Out of curiosity, what is the big advantage of having a package in main?
[09:33] <ScottK> More paperwork.
[09:33] <ScottK> ;-)
[09:33] <bddebian> heh
[09:33] <ajmitch> fame & fortune
[09:34] <bddebian> double heh
[09:34] <Fujitsu> Inclusion on the Great Second Edubuntu CD, perhaps?
[09:37] <zul> more stress
[09:39] <bddebian> Q#@$%#$5 showimg
[09:43] <bddebian> _Enchained: Uploaded
[09:48] <_Enchained> bddebian: thanks again.. we'll see if it's accepted this time...
[09:49] <sistpoty> hi folks
[09:50] <ajmitch> hey sistpoty
[09:50] <sistpoty> hi ajmitch
[09:51] <bddebian> Heya sistpoty
[09:51] <sistpoty> hi bddebian
[10:39] <Nafallo> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4271
[10:42] <ajmitch> wow, a 0KB diff
[10:42] <ajmitch> isn't that special?
[10:43] <Nafallo> should have made a new orig.tar.gz though :-)
[10:44] <Nafallo> I forgot to replace the symlinks with real copies :-)
[10:47] <Nafallo> -ENOFUJITSU
[10:52] <bddebian> Bah, pox on merges
[11:14] <_Enchained> bddebian: still here ?
[11:27] <bddebian> _Enchained: Aye
[11:32] <_Enchained> bddebian: for ooodi you said I should put FSF in copyright ...
[11:32] <_Enchained> why this time and not in other packages ?
[11:36] <bddebian> It any of the files are copyright FSF, they should be mentioned in copyright afaiui
[11:36] <bddebian> Of course you ask 10 people in here you'll probably get 10 different answers
[11:38] <sistpoty> well... usually you don't put *generated* files (e.g. autotools stuff like install.sh) in copyright, but regular files by FSF should imo go there
[11:39] <bddebian> Aye, not generated files, true
[11:39] <bddebian> But iirc there were some gettext headers or something in there, no?
[11:39] <sistpoty> I didn't look at it ;)
[11:39] <bddebian> Well get to it fool.. ;-P
[11:39] <bddebian> j/k
[11:40] <sistpoty> hehe
[11:43] <_Enchained> ok bddebian
[11:47] <_Enchained> I must specify which file is copyrighted by each or just list the two copyright owners (FSF and author) ?
[11:47] <bddebian> Well that's a whole other debate :-)
[11:48] <bddebian> Honestly I'm not positive.  To be safe you can certainly list each file and it's copyright but that can get a little cumbersome obviously.
[11:57] <_Enchained> I upload ooodi in a few time (I've just listed the 2  owners)
[11:58] <bddebian> Cool