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[17:03] <mainerror> das ist wohl das Thematic Theme Framework was uns dazwischenfunkt
[17:03] <mainerror> jo
[17:04] <mainerror> lets do it
[17:04] <Daniel0108> #startmeeting
[17:04] <mainerror> guntbert, ist auch hier
[17:04] <Daniel0108> hmm, meetingbot haben wir schon mal keinen :/
[17:04] <Daniel0108> -.-
[17:04] <mainerror> oh
[17:04] <Daniel0108> wo ist der hin?
[17:04] <mainerror> der muss auch hin und wieder mal schlafen hehe
[17:04] <Daniel0108> na toll :/
[17:05] <mainerror> guntbert, bist du da?
[17:05] <mainerror> jussi, da?
[17:06] <mainerror> hmm
[17:06] <Daniel0108> Rhonda, MichealH?
[17:06] <MichealH> Daniel0108, Yes?
[17:06] <mainerror> yay at least someone
[17:06] <MichealH> Lemme boot it up
[17:06] <Daniel0108> MichealH: we need the meeting bot
[17:06] <Daniel0108> okay
[17:07] <MichealH> @load meetingolgy
[17:08] <MootBot-AT> MichealH: Error: No plugin named "meetingolgy" exists.
[17:08] <MichealH> MootBot-AT, load meetingolgy
[17:08] <MootBot-AT> MichealH: Error: No plugin named "meetingolgy" exists.
[17:08] <MichealH> MootBot-AT, list
[17:08] <MootBot-AT> MichealH: Admin, Channel, Config, Misc, Owner, Services, and User
[17:09] <MichealH> Oh Damn -.-
[17:09] <MichealH> I think I screwed it up
[17:09] <Daniel0108> o.O WHAT???
[17:09] <mainerror> http://ubuntu-at.ietherpad.com/
[17:10] <MichealH> brb :)
[17:10] <mainerror> damn
[17:10] <mainerror> http://ubuntu-at.ietherpad.com/1
[17:10] <mainerror> Daniel0108, koordinieren wir beide uns heute einfach
[17:11] <MichealH> @load meetingologu
[17:11] <MichealH> @load meetingology
[17:11] <MootBot-AT> MichealH: Error: No plugin named "meetingologu" exists.
[17:11] <MootBot-AT> MichealH: The operation succeeded.
[17:11] <mainerror> wir werden uns eine eigene kleine agenda basteln müssen
[17:11] <MichealH> #startmeeting
[17:11] <MootBot-AT> Meeting started Sat May 14 14:29:21 2011 UTC.  The chair is MichealH. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell.
[17:11] <MootBot-AT> Useful Commands: #topic #action #link #idea #voters #vote #chair #action #agreed #help #info #endmeeting.
[17:11] <MichealH> #chair Daniel0108
[17:11] <MootBot-AT> Current chairs: Daniel0108 MichealH
[17:12] <guntbert> sorry, bin da, hatte erwartet dass mich der chatzilla anpingt
[17:12] <Daniel0108> okay
[17:13] <Daniel0108> mainerror: bitte die agenda in etherpad einfügen :)
[17:14] <Daniel0108> danke
[17:14] <Daniel0108> #link http://ubuntu-at.ietherpad.com/1
[17:14] <mainerror> done
[17:14] <Daniel0108> #topic Website - (See http://ubuntu-at.ietherpad.com/1 for the agenda)
[17:14] <MootBot-AT> TOPIC: Website - (See http://ubuntu-at.ietherpad.com/1 for the agenda)
[17:15] <Daniel0108> #chair mainerror
[17:15] <MootBot-AT> Current chairs: Daniel0108 MichealH mainerror
[17:15] <Daniel0108> okay
[17:15] <Daniel0108> ich denke wir können anfangen :)
[17:15] <MichealH> Daniel0108, One thing, Can we haz website, maybe a community design?
[17:15] <MichealH> I mean forums :P
[17:15] <Daniel0108> yes
[17:15] <Daniel0108> Our current website is http://ubuntu-at.co.cc/ WIP :)
[17:16] <MichealH> WIP?
[17:16] <Daniel0108> Work In Progress
[17:16] <MichealH> We should have a TLD soon, shall we?
[17:16] <Daniel0108> yeah
[17:16] <Daniel0108> hi hail
[17:17] <hail> hi Daniel0108
[17:17] <hail> What is new here
[17:17] <Daniel0108> hail: german or english?
[17:17] <hail> english is easer for me
[17:18] <Daniel0108> we still need a website team for our community
[17:18] <Daniel0108> #link
[17:18] <Daniel0108> oops
[17:18] <Daniel0108> #link http://ubuntu-at.co.cc/
[17:18] <hail> i speack german but i can not write very well in german
[17:18] <Daniel0108> who's interested?
[17:18] <Daniel0108> hail: okay
[17:18] <MichealH> Daniel0108, ME ME ME
[17:18] <mainerror> me
[17:18] <MichealH> :D
[17:18] <Daniel0108> okay
[17:18] <Daniel0108> #action mainerror leads the website team
[17:18] <MootBot-AT> ACTION: mainerror leads the website team
[17:18] <hail> i might be able to help with the web sight a little
[17:18] <Daniel0108> okay
[17:19] <Daniel0108> we also need some writers, for tutorials and so on :)
[17:19] <Daniel0108> guntbert: ^
[17:19] <hail> i could do not have that much experiance with web stuff
[17:19] <MichealH> I could do a few blog entries, yes
[17:19] <Daniel0108> hail: you just have to maintain wordpress
[17:19] <mainerror> Daniel0108, do you want me to transfer the results to our etherpad thingy?
[17:19] <MichealH> mainerror, Yes please
[17:19] <Daniel0108> mainerror: yes, please, take notes like at the UDS :)
[17:19] <mainerror> right
[17:20] <hail> i have never worked with word press but i can learn
[17:20] <Daniel0108> hail: okay, you can also be a writer
[17:21] <hail> what are you looking for content wise
[17:21] <Daniel0108> let's start a poll. Should the website be german or english, or both?
[17:21] <Daniel0108> german = +1
[17:21] <Daniel0108> english = -1
[17:21] <Daniel0108> both = 0
[17:21] <Daniel0108> #vote Website: German or English?
[17:21] <MootBot-AT> Please vote on: Website: German or English?
[17:21] <MootBot-AT> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[17:21] <MichealH> 0
[17:21] <MootBot-AT> 0 received from MichealH
[17:21] <Daniel0108> 0
[17:21] <MootBot-AT> 0 received from Daniel0108
[17:21] <mainerror> 0
[17:21] <MootBot-AT> 0 received from mainerror
[17:21] <guntbert> +1
[17:21] <MootBot-AT> +1 received from guntbert
[17:21] <hail> 0
[17:21] <MootBot-AT> 0 received from hail
[17:21] <Daniel0108> Rhonda: ^
[17:22] <Daniel0108> okay
[17:22] <Daniel0108> #endvote
[17:22] <MootBot-AT> Voting ended on: Website: German or English?
[17:22] <MootBot-AT> Votes for:1 Votes against:0 Abstentions:4
[17:22] <MootBot-AT> Motion carried
[17:22] <Daniel0108> so.. Website will be in german and english
[17:22] <Daniel0108> and the board?
[17:23] <Daniel0108> the only problem is... it's hard to maintain two languages
[17:23] <MichealH> All the site will be in German/English
[17:23] <MichealH> Daniel0108, Heck no :P
[17:23] <Daniel0108> yeah, but can we just add a google translate button? hehe :P
[17:23] <MichealH> en.ubuntu-at.co.cc
[17:24] <MichealH> www.ubuntuat.com
[17:24] <MichealH> or whatever :P
[17:24] <Daniel0108> hmm
[17:24] <Daniel0108> but we would have to translate everything
[17:24] <Daniel0108> Let's vote
[17:24] <guntbert> it will be impossible to translate (all) board messages - only option: mixed threads - if you *want* it in english too
[17:24] <MichealH> Daniel0108, Google Translate, then get me to check the translationb for grammer?
[17:25] <Daniel0108> #vote Translate button or manual translation?
[17:25] <MootBot-AT> Please vote on: Translate button or manual translation?
[17:25] <MootBot-AT> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[17:25] <guntbert> please don't rely on Google Translate for posts
[17:25] <Daniel0108> hmm
[17:25] <MichealH> +1 (Translate Button)
[17:25] <Daniel0108> MichealH: no comments ;)
[17:25] <Daniel0108> +1
[17:25] <MootBot-AT> +1 received from Daniel0108
[17:25] <guntbert> -1
[17:25] <MootBot-AT> -1 received from guntbert
[17:25] <MichealH> +1
[17:25] <MootBot-AT> +1 received from MichealH
[17:25] <mainerror> -1
[17:25] <MootBot-AT> -1 received from mainerror
[17:25] <Daniel0108> hmm okay, that's a problem
[17:25] <Daniel0108> #endvote
[17:26] <MootBot-AT> Voting ended on: Translate button or manual translation?
[17:26] <MootBot-AT> Votes for:2 Votes against:2 Abstentions:0
[17:26] <MootBot-AT> Deadlock
[17:26] <Daniel0108> :P
[17:26] <Daniel0108> any ideas?
[17:26] <hail> i will be trying to impliment a mysql server with NUbuilder front end on ubuntu server i could write a how to as i go along if eny one is interested
[17:26] <Daniel0108> hail: we already have a webserver :)
[17:26] <mainerror> translations are to be done by hand or the content will lose its meaning
[17:26] <Daniel0108> mainerror: on pages: yes, on posts: idk, on board: it's hard :P
[17:27] <guntbert> I still prefer the board in german only - or to admit mixed posts
[17:27] <Daniel0108> I think we should keep the LoCo language German
[17:27] <Daniel0108> German (Austria)
[17:27] <Daniel0108> but there are also some pages in English
[17:27] <Daniel0108> okay?
[17:27] <mainerror> we will need to separate the german and english seactions of the forums
[17:27] <hail> I just was thinking about a how to document that otheres could use not the actual server
[17:27] <Daniel0108> main language: german
[17:27] <Daniel0108> 2nd language: english
[17:27] <Daniel0108> okay?
[17:27] <Daniel0108> #vote Is this okay?
[17:27] <MootBot-AT> Please vote on: Is this okay?
[17:27] <MootBot-AT> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[17:27] <Daniel0108> +1
[17:27] <MootBot-AT> +1 received from Daniel0108
[17:27] <guntbert> +1
[17:27] <MootBot-AT> +1 received from guntbert
[17:27] <mainerror> +1
[17:27] <MootBot-AT> +1 received from mainerror
[17:27] <MichealH> +1
[17:27] <MootBot-AT> +1 received from MichealH
[17:28] <MichealH> Just Im english and help out here, so it could be a issure
[17:28] <Daniel0108> hail: please vote :) We'll talk about the server later :)
[17:28] <Daniel0108> MichealH: You can google translate or learn german by maintaining it :P
[17:28] <hail> +1
[17:28] <MootBot-AT> +1 received from hail
[17:28] <Daniel0108> okay
[17:28] <Daniel0108> #endvote
[17:28] <MootBot-AT> Voting ended on: Is this okay?
[17:28] <MootBot-AT> Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[17:28] <MootBot-AT> Motion carried
[17:29] <Daniel0108> okay
[17:30] <Daniel0108> We already have the wordpress blog with a CMS. I'm currently setting up our board
[17:30] <Daniel0108> I am working on a connection between wordpress and the board
[17:30] <Daniel0108> and I'm sure it will work
[17:32] <guntbert> can we proceed please?
[17:32] <mainerror> right, the domain question.
[17:32] <Daniel0108> okay
[17:33] <mainerror> should we go for a at.ubuntu.com subdomain? Is it even possible or should we try to get the ubuntu.at domain=
[17:33] <Daniel0108> I think we should try to get a ubuntu.at or ubuntu-at.com domain
[17:34] <mainerror> ok, that is an action item. Who is going to do that?
[17:34] <guntbert> ubuntu-at.com is ugly
[17:34] <Daniel0108> who is going to apply for the domain?
[17:34] <Daniel0108> uat.com? :P
[17:34] <Daniel0108> okay, we NEED ubuntu.at
[17:34] <mainerror> indeed
[17:34]  * guntbert likes at.ubuntu.com
[17:34] <Daniel0108> who knows somebody from canonical? :)
[17:34] <Daniel0108> ubuntu.at or at.ubuntu.com
[17:35]  * mainerror does
[17:35] <guntbert> ubuntu.at is taken
[17:35] <Daniel0108> guntbert: I know, but maybe they are able to transfer it to us
[17:36] <mainerror> guntbert, we should investigate on who the owner is and if it is under control of Canonical or the Ubuntu staff
[17:36] <mainerror> I'll put that on my list
[17:36] <Daniel0108> ok
[17:36] <guntbert> Georg Glaser organization:    street address: Gudrunstrasse 55-103/28/4 postal code:    A-1100 city:           Wien
[17:37] <Daniel0108> okay
[17:37] <guntbert> ubuntu.at -> ubuntuusers.de
[17:37] <Daniel0108> we could contact him
[17:37] <mainerror> guntbert, yea I know that but I have to find out if it is just a private person or if he has registered it for the Ubuntu staff
[17:38] <Daniel0108> yeah
[17:38] <Daniel0108> okay
[17:38] <Daniel0108> let's try that
[17:38] <Daniel0108> #action mainerror contacts the owner of ubuntu.at
[17:38] <MootBot-AT> ACTION: mainerror contacts the owner of ubuntu.at
[17:39] <Daniel0108> #topic Getting more members
[17:39] <MootBot-AT> TOPIC: Getting more members
[17:39] <Daniel0108> We already have the flyers
[17:39] <Daniel0108> and at the UDS, mainerror, GeorgS and me got some CDs and Ubuntu-Stickers
[17:40] <Daniel0108> now we just need a smaller flyer to hand out the CD with a flyer and some stickers
[17:40] <Daniel0108> Has anyone already handed out some flyers?
[17:40] <mainerror> I think we need someone to monitor austrian IT events especially Linux related events so we can get there are try to recruit people
[17:41] <Daniel0108> yeah
[17:41] <Daniel0108> Ubuntu Austria, for example
[17:41] <hail> are there any events in karinthia
[17:42] <mainerror> hail, I only know about the yearly Linux Tage
[17:42] <Daniel0108> me too, oh and the Stammtisch
[17:43] <hail> when is that is it posable to recruit people there as i spend most of my time nere villach
[17:43] <Daniel0108> I got a notification today: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=203988396307324
[17:43] <Daniel0108> hail: you can start your own events if you want
[17:43] <mainerror> yea I can't view that one
[17:43] <Daniel0108> mainerror: okay, I think you need an invitation :P
[17:43] <Daniel0108> hail: and print some flyers to hang up in villach
[17:44] <hail> that is definatly a posability
[17:44] <Daniel0108> The Ubuntu-Austria Stammtisch is in:
[17:44] <Daniel0108> Wiesenstadt-Restaurant
[17:44] <mainerror> Daniel0108, first of all I'd need a Facebook account ;)
[17:44] <Daniel0108> Anton Baumgartner-Straße 125
[17:44] <Daniel0108> Wien
[17:44] <Daniel0108> mainerror: lol, no, don't register on facebook :P
[17:44]  * mainerror would never do that
[17:44] <Daniel0108> I just use the chat with empathy
[17:44] <Daniel0108> mainerror: good
[17:45] <Daniel0108> any questions left?
[17:46] <mainerror> right, so is there anyone in here that would like to monitor IT events (preferably Linux ones) in Austria?
[17:46] <mainerror> quite a few :)
[17:46] <Daniel0108> Vienna is preferred :P
[17:46] <Daniel0108> as a location
[17:47] <mainerror> well the events we would attend to recruit people can be national wide
[17:47] <Daniel0108> yes
[17:47] <Daniel0108> okay
[17:47] <mainerror> it is just the events we'd setup would be in Vienna yes
[17:47] <Daniel0108> :)
[17:47] <Daniel0108> the Ubuntu hour, for example
[17:47] <mainerror> hopefully more than an hour tho :D
[17:47] <Daniel0108> hehe :P
[17:48] <Daniel0108> Ubuntu Day
[17:48] <mainerror> that sounds better heh
[17:48] <mainerror> ok next point
[17:48] <Daniel0108> #topic Our wiki page
[17:48] <MootBot-AT> TOPIC: Our wiki page
[17:48] <Daniel0108> mainerror, guntbert: It's your topic :)
[17:49] <mainerror> indeed but I have absolutely no idea what it was about
[17:49] <Daniel0108> hehe
[17:49] <Daniel0108> I think the wiki page is okay
[17:49] <Daniel0108> let's move on
[17:49] <mainerror> was there anything special we'd need to take care about other than the logo?
[17:49] <mainerror> guntbert, any idea?
[17:49] <Daniel0108> I don't think so
[17:50] <guntbert> well, I'll be happy to provide any translations - but I must be alerted to the need
[17:50] <Daniel0108> okay
[17:51] <mainerror> next point
[17:51] <Daniel0108> #action guntbert is a translator :)
[17:51] <MootBot-AT> ACTION: guntbert is a translator :)
[17:51] <guntbert> one idea: shold we create two different pages (en/de) instead of doubling everything on one page?
[17:51] <Daniel0108> guntbert: good idea. Let's do it
[17:51] <mainerror> I don't know if that is really such a good idea
[17:52] <mainerror> what would be the benefit?
[17:52] <Daniel0108> I have a better idea:
[17:52] <Daniel0108> It's German
[17:52] <hail> twice as much work ????
[17:52] <Daniel0108> and there's a button: "English Version"
[17:52] <guntbert> hail: no, its bilingual already
[17:52] <Daniel0108> or visa versa
[17:53] <guntbert> Daniel0108: how to accomplish this (in wiki code)?
[17:53] <Daniel0108> a sub-page called en
[17:53] <hail> dose it make sence to have people write in the langage they are comfertable in and add a boton to translate to the other
[17:53] <mainerror> I think that this will be the next action item for me, figuring out how to do that :D
[17:54] <Daniel0108> :P
[17:54] <guntbert> lets ponder on this for a while - while mainerror figures :-)
[17:54] <Daniel0108> any questions left?
[17:54] <mainerror> guntbert, I'll check that out after the meeting tho
[17:54] <mainerror> yes
[17:54] <mainerror> Facebook / Twitter
[17:55] <Daniel0108> #topic social networks
[17:55] <MootBot-AT> TOPIC: social networks
[17:55] <mainerror> who is going to maintain those accounts and actively invite tech-savvy people?
[17:55] <mainerror> not only invite but also post Ubuntu and LoCo related news
[17:55] <Daniel0108> there's a wordpress plugin
[17:56] <Daniel0108> to post to twitter/fb
[17:56] <mainerror> I only know that it is not going to be me :p
[17:56] <Daniel0108> I'll create it
[17:56] <mainerror> and Facebook?
[17:56] <Daniel0108> yeah
[17:56] <mainerror> ok
[17:56] <Daniel0108> it posts to facebook and twitter
[17:56] <Daniel0108> so that's not a problem
[17:57] <mainerror> next point
[17:57] <mainerror> Meeting dates
[17:57] <mainerror> #topic Meeting dates
[17:57] <MootBot-AT> TOPIC: Meeting dates
[17:58] <Daniel0108> I think the meetings should be monthly
[17:58] <Daniel0108> the irc meetings
[17:58] <guntbert> +1
[17:58] <Daniel0108> and a monthly Ubuntu Day
[17:58] <mainerror> when do you guys have more time for meetings? Is it on weekends or during the week?
[17:58] <Daniel0108> *yearly
[17:58] <Daniel0108> Weekends
[17:58] <Daniel0108> let's vote
[17:59] <mainerror> wouldn't every six months be better?
[17:59] <guntbert> not so hasty Daniel0108 :)
[17:59] <Daniel0108> yeah, I'm waiting :P
[17:59] <Daniel0108> okay
[17:59] <guntbert> 18:00 is a bit early - lots of outdoor activity on saturday
[17:59] <Daniel0108> now vote
[18:00] <Daniel0108> guntbert: maybe sunday?
[18:00] <Daniel0108> #vote Meetings on Weekends (+1), Workdays(-1) or doesn't matter (0)
[18:00] <MootBot-AT> Please vote on: Meetings on Weekends (+1), Workdays(-1) or doesn't matter (0)
[18:00] <MootBot-AT> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[18:00] <Daniel0108> +1
[18:00] <MootBot-AT> +1 received from Daniel0108
[18:00] <guntbert> +1
[18:00] <MootBot-AT> +1 received from guntbert
[18:00] <mainerror> 0
[18:00] <MootBot-AT> 0 received from mainerror
[18:00] <Daniel0108> okay
[18:00] <Daniel0108> Sunday or Saturday?
[18:01] <hail> 0
[18:01] <MootBot-AT> 0 received from hail
[18:02] <hail> mainerror: link describing word press buton integeration http://en.forums.wordpress.com/topic/translation-widget?replies=20
[18:02] <hail> if it hellps
[18:02] <mainerror> hail, thanks but we were talking about the Ubuntu wiki ;)
[18:02] <guntbert> Daniel0108: endvote?
[18:02] <Daniel0108> #link http://en.forums.wordpress.com/topic/translation-widget?replies=20
[18:02] <Daniel0108> #endvote
[18:02] <MootBot-AT> Voting ended on: Meetings on Weekends (+1), Workdays(-1) or doesn't matter (0)
[18:02] <MootBot-AT> Votes for:2 Votes against:0 Abstentions:2
[18:02] <MootBot-AT> Motion carried
[18:03] <Daniel0108> Sunday or Saturday?
[18:03] <guntbert> I'd prefer sunday, a little later
[18:03] <Daniel0108> yeah
[18:03] <Daniel0108> me too
[18:03] <mainerror> doesn't matter for me
[18:03] <Daniel0108> a little later, but the day doesn't matter
[18:04] <guntbert> is ok by me too
[18:04] <Daniel0108> #topic Ubuntu Day
[18:04] <MootBot-AT> TOPIC: Ubuntu Day
[18:05] <Daniel0108> Yearly or every six months?
[18:05] <Daniel0108> I think every six months would be better, but who volunteers for the planning of the meeting?
[18:05] <mainerror> by the way, you all can just add action items for yourself if you find something to do and you can also add ideas and corrections on etherpad
[18:06] <Daniel0108> #link http://ubuntu-at.ietherpad.com/1
[18:06] <Daniel0108> here's the etherpad link: ^
[18:06] <mainerror> Daniel0108, I think that this topic should be put back till we can gather more people for the meetings
[18:06] <Daniel0108> okay
[18:06] <Daniel0108> indeeed
[18:06] <guntbert> I have to leave - longer phone call awaiting - bye for now
[18:06] <Daniel0108> #topic Status of the LoCo
[18:06] <MootBot-AT> TOPIC: Status of the LoCo
[18:06] <Daniel0108> guntbert: bye
[18:06] <mainerror> guntbert, o/
[18:06] <Daniel0108> we want to get an approved loco
[18:06] <Daniel0108> but we need:
[18:07] <Daniel0108> * A website
[18:07] <Daniel0108> * A good wiki page (DONE)
[18:07] <Daniel0108> * More meetings (WORKING)
[18:07] <Daniel0108> s/WORKING/WIP
[18:07] <Daniel0108> * More members (WIP, hard)
[18:08] <Daniel0108> and last but not least, active members and some projects
[18:08] <Daniel0108> for the projects part, I'd suggest merging with TouchLay projects :P
[18:08] <Daniel0108> oh wait
[18:08] <Daniel0108> I forgot something
[18:08] <Daniel0108> LESSONS
[18:09] <Daniel0108> There should be some Ubuntu/Programming/Support lessons
[18:09] <mainerror> that and actively participating in the Ubuntu translation project
[18:09] <Daniel0108> We have our own Translation Group
[18:09] <Daniel0108> for German (Austria)
[18:10] <mainerror> right, I know, we just need to actively help with translations in Ubuntu
[18:10] <Daniel0108> and we need a translation team leader :)
[18:10] <mainerror> Daniel0108, do you write the items we put back for the next meeting down?
[18:11] <mainerror> that one would be such an item
[18:11] <Daniel0108> okay
[18:12] <Daniel0108> Now the last part of our meeting.
[18:12] <Daniel0108> #topic getting more members... but how?
[18:12] <MootBot-AT> TOPIC: getting more members... but how?
[18:13] <Daniel0108> please give us some ideas
[18:13] <Daniel0108> we already have flyers and so on
[18:13] <Daniel0108> we need something they get when they are an Ubuntu Austria Member
[18:15] <Daniel0108> okay
[18:15] <Daniel0108> I think we should finish this meeting now
[18:16] <Daniel0108> #topic Any questions left?
[18:16] <MootBot-AT> TOPIC: Any questions left?
[18:16] <mainerror> not from my part
[18:17] <Daniel0108> okay
[18:18] <Daniel0108> thanks for attending the meeting, see you :)
[18:18] <Daniel0108> #endmeeting
[18:18] <MootBot-AT> Meeting ended Sat May 14 15:35:23 2011 UTC.    :D
[19:05] <Daniel0108> aso :)
[19:06] <mainerror> also das wäre wirklich top
[19:06] <brickinthewall> storage kann ich vermutlich so groß kriegen wie ich will
[19:08] <mainerror> brickinthewall, setz das auf die agenda fürs nächste meeting
[19:08] <brickinthewall> sag mir wo und consider it done
[19:08] <mainerror> ich denke mal da wird absolut keiner einen einwand haben aber einfach damit jeder bescheid weis
[19:08] <mainerror> im etherpad unter next meeting
[19:09] <brickinthewall> aja.. hab ich noch nicht gesehen
[19:09] <brickinthewall> mach ich
[19:13] <mainerror> Daniel0108, ich glaube er meinte einen offiziellen mirror
[19:13] <Daniel0108> mainerror: ja, aber wieso steht das unter community members?
[19:13] <brickinthewall> ah sorry
[19:13] <mainerror> war nur falsch indented ;)
[19:13] <Daniel0108> kein problem ;)
[19:14] <brickinthewall> habt ihr ne location für den ubuntu day in wien?
[19:15] <mainerror> noch ist da nichts besprochen worden
[19:15] <mainerror> wir haben dieses item zurückgestellt fürs nächste meeting
[19:16] <mainerror> ich wechsle mal eben den computer ;)
[19:34] <brickinthewall> so bin dann mal wieder weg, tschü!
[19:48]  * mainerror ist wieder da


[07:20] <mborzecki> morning
[07:51] <mup> PR core18#186 closed: Handle PPAs being served from ppa.launchpadcontent.net <Created by cjwatson> <Merged by alfonsosanchezbeato> <https://github.com/snapcore/core18/pull/186>
[07:57] <mardy> hi mborzecki, mvo
[07:58] <mborzecki> hey
[08:07] <mup> PR snapd#11181 closed: usersession/userd: support Cloudflare WARP URL scheme <Created by schultetwin1> <Closed by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11181>
[08:08] <mborzecki> mardy: do the microk8s guys know whether `k` is needed there too? https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11286#discussion_r798416451
[08:08] <mup> PR #11286: i/b/kubernetes_support: open access to NVIDIA GPUs <Created by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11286>
[08:08] <mborzecki> or whether the PR in its current form solves their problem
[08:09] <mup> PR core20#129 closed: Handle PPAs being served from ppa.launchpadcontent.net <Created by cjwatson> <Merged by alfonsosanchezbeato> <https://github.com/snapcore/core20/pull/129>
[08:16] <mardy> mborzecki: I didn't hear any feedback
[08:18] <pstolowski> morning
[08:25] <mardy> pstolowski: hi!
[08:38] <mardy> pstolowski, mborzecki: maybe you can help me: I made these changes (https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/TPFgn3pprR/) and now the tests are failing like this: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cbRkzB8tTZ/
[08:38] <mardy> do you know what I need to do in order for the task to advance its state? (a call to settle() is already present)
[08:42] <mborzecki> mardy: are you sure that's the only change?
[08:43] <pstolowski> mardy: also, is thare Retry returned by any task? I usually add a loop to print all tasks and their statuses in such cases
[08:44] <mborzecki> mardy: i've added a dumpTasks() helper in managers_test.go, maybe you can use that to print the task states
[08:45] <mborzecki> maybe you can also grab the logger buffer and print it out?
[08:49]  * mardy tries
[08:54] <mardy> here's with dumpTasks: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/VYfCFYH8k4/
[08:54] <mardy> mborzecki: do you have any example where we print the logs?
[08:57] <pstolowski> mardy: look for logbuf, restore := logger.MockLogger(); also task.Log() and change.Log()
[08:58] <mborzecki> mardy: or try something like this: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3m5D7SsxJk/
[08:59] <pstolowski> mardy: auto-connect may retry if there is a conflict
[08:59] <pstolowski> that would be 1st suspect
[09:00] <pstolowski> Retry means task remains in "Doing" and is reconsidered some time later
[09:08] <mardy> pstolowski: but how can I trigger a retry?
[09:09] <pstolowski> mardy: by resolving the conflict
[09:10] <pstolowski> mardy: but hold on
[09:11] <mardy> indeed, after applying mborzecki's patch I see that the last log line is "task 2 err: task should be retried"
[09:12] <zyga[m]> good morning
[09:12] <mardy> zyga[m]: hi!
[09:12] <pstolowski> hey zyga[m] !
[09:13] <pstolowski> mardy: with your changes, is IsClean() going to return false if task is no Ready yet?
[09:16] <mardy> pstolowski: yes (unless I did something wrong)
[09:16] <mardy> pstolowski: "clean" should mean "ready and the cleanup handler ran (if present)"
[09:17] <pstolowski> mardy: got it, makes sense
[09:22] <pstolowski> mardy: i don't understand why TestAutoConnectDuringCoreTransition is failing with conflict after your changes, seems like maybe the task is not considered clean. I'd add debug in checkAutoconnectConflicts() and printy IsClean and Ready state and just run this test
[09:23] <mardy> pstolowski: OK, will do; but I don't know how to run a single test :-)
[09:24] <pstolowski> mardy: go test -check.f TestAutoConnectDuringCoreTransition (or another substring that matches testsuite/testnames)
[09:29] <mardy> pstolowski: thanks! So, the task is ready (task.Status().Ready() returns true), but task.IsClean() is false. I wonder if the logic I added in taskrunner is wrong then... (https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11321/files#diff-d38844f5dd133b4b7dedd1f94bd2e344ae8762fbb756e4e155ec7276e9a88b7a)
[09:29] <mup> PR #11321: overlord: fix issue with snapshot restoring on CentOS <Needs Samuele review> <Created by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11321>
[09:30] <mardy> maybe it has something to do with task <-> change status sync
[09:32] <mardy> oh, the change associated to the task is not clean nor ready
[09:35] <mvo> hey mardy, mborzecki and pstolowski - good morning!
[09:36] <mardy> do I understand correctly, that a change can have many associated tasks?
[09:36] <pstolowski> hey mvo !
[09:36] <pstolowski> mardy: yes, change has many tasks. but tasks can only belong to a single change
[09:37] <mardy> pstolowski: but then it seems to me that the check I'm doing here is wrong, and that I should check the status on the task, and not on the change: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11321/files#diff-d38844f5dd133b4b7dedd1f94bd2e344ae8762fbb756e4e155ec7276e9a88b7a
[09:37] <mup> PR #11321: overlord: fix issue with snapshot restoring on CentOS <Needs Samuele review> <Created by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11321>
[09:38] <mardy> though given that it was Samuele to suggest it like this, I bet he had his reasons
[09:42] <pstolowski> mardy: looks good to me, otoh maybe checking just the task would be semantically the same in this case. but by definition change is only clean if all tasks are clean (just like Ready status), so nothing wrong with it afaict
[09:56] <tobias_> Is it still the case that *gadget* snaps (small additions on top of the official Raspberry Pi gadget like splash screen image and snap configuration/connections) require a paid brand store upload + auto-update? Just to clarify, don't want to open a discussion about business models 🙂
[10:03] <mborzecki> tobias_: a brand store in order to publish gadget snaps yes afak, connections/configuration can be put in gadget.yaml regardless of that, i'm not sure what you mean by auto-update though
[10:04] <mborzecki> tobias_: as for brand store, if it's an open source project something can be probably arranged, iirc gnuradio has a brand store
[10:20] <tobias_> mborzecki: Yeah sorry, I meant publishing a gadget snap so that it can be refreshed (updated) from the store on deployed devices. I currently build images with a local gadget, but e.g. when Pi kernel assets moved from the gadget to the kernel snap, existing devices could no longer refresh the official pi-kernel snap until users copied my newer gadget snap to their device and ran a manual refresh. Same with the migration from mir-kiosk to
[10:20] <tobias_>  ubuntu-frame – requires a manual gadget refresh. We're a small open source project and have mostly non-commercial home users at the moment, but do intend to sell B2B support licenses for the software to keep the lights on 🙂
[10:20] <tobias_> Thanks for the clarification!
[10:57] <mup> PR snapd#11351 closed: tests/nested/manual/remodel-cross-store,remodel-simple: wait for serial <Simple 😃> <Test Robustness> <Run nested> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11351>
[11:32] <mup> PR snapd#11352 opened: packaging/fedora: sync with downstream, packaging improvements <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11352>
[12:53] <mup> PR snapd#11353 opened: systemd: do not reload system when enabling/disabling services <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11353>
[13:33] <mup> PR snapd#11335 closed: gadget/install: add unit tests for install.Run() <Test Robustness> <Skip spread> <Created by anonymouse64> <Merged by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11335>
[13:38] <mup> PR snapd#11345 closed: tests/main/snap-system-key: reset-failed snapd and snapd.socket <Simple 😃> <Test Robustness> <Created by anonymouse64> <Merged by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11345>
[14:12] <mup> PR snapcraft#3634 opened: dependencies: missing library resolution (CRAFT-422) <Created by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3634>
[14:57] <mup> PR snapcraft#3628 closed: Autotools Plugin (v1): Fix fatal crash when running autogen.sh or bootstrap <Created by diddledani> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3628>
[15:13] <mup> PR snapd#10427 closed: interfaces/cups: add cups-socket-directory attr, use to specify mount rules in backend <Needs Samuele review> <Created by anonymouse64> <Merged by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10427>
[15:43] <mup> PR snapd#11320 closed: osutil/mkfs: Expose more fakeroot flags <Created by GlenPickle> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11320>
[17:29] <mup> PR snapd#11354 opened: gadget: identify/match encryption parts, include in traits info <Simple 😃> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11354>
[17:37] <mup> PR snapcraft#3629 closed: sources: make submodule fetching configurable <Created by mr-cal> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3629>
[18:04] <mup> PR snapd#11341 closed: tests: updated the documentation to run spread tests using external backend <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11341>
[18:49] <mup> PR snapd#11355 opened: Changes necessary for ubuntu-image to support preseeding extra snaps in classic images <Created by GlenPickle> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11355>
[18:53] <mup> PR snapcraft#3632 closed: 20.00 <Created by eliekh05> <Closed by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3632>


[00:42] <Ryan45> I wonder how long until one of the android launcher devs hijacks the sides idea
[00:42] <Ryan45> and brings it to android
[00:45] <iceroot> hijacking in open-source?
[00:49] <Ryan45> lol, ubuntu has no source out :)
[00:49] <Ryan45> unless i am missing something
[00:49] <Ryan45> ubuntu phone
[00:53] <owenburnett> Source should come out next month for installing on the  samsung galaxy nexus
[02:00] <mhall119> Ryan45: source will be released at the same time as the binaries
[02:06] <Ryan45> I was responding to iceroot
[02:06] <Ryan45> not asking  question :) lol
[09:39] <talus46> reetings
[09:39] <talus46> greetings I mean
[09:48] <Robbilie> hey guys i foundvarious sources saying ubu phone os will be released in feburary, but i didnt find a single official sure, can anybody provide me one?
[09:48] <Tak> topic?
[09:49] <talus46> hehe that was the question I wanted to ask when I get here , but the topic says it all
[09:50] <talus46> Is there any plan to enable the instalation on android mobile phones?
[09:51] <Robbilie> was there a recent update on the lnk? if not, i am aware f all the information provided there talus46
[09:52] <Robbilie> ah ok now its there
[09:52] <Robbilie> thanks
[09:59] <bobweaver> From all the videos that I have bben watching yeah flash rom
[10:00] <bobweaver> "zip file in the end"  dude said in a video
[10:37] <bobweaver> I am board what pp should I make ?
[10:37] <bobweaver> app *
[10:38] <Robbilie> what have yyou developed yet?
[10:38] <bobweaver> webbrowsing and apis so far
[10:39] <bobweaver> I made like a bunch of xmllistmodel elements and stuff
[10:39] <Robbilie> so a web browsing app wouldnt make much sense huh? :D
[10:39] <bobweaver> Like things to watch hulu and what not
[10:40] <chriadam> how about a gig browser?  uses your current location, to grab all the gigs in the local area, within a given time period.  Could filter by distance, genre, price.  Displays them on a map, integrates with a calendar.
[10:41] <chriadam> i'm sure there are a billion of them already, now that I think about it
[10:41] <bobweaver> yeah I have a jambase xmllistmodel ready for that but that is just jambase
[10:43] <popey> bobweaver: maps app?
[10:43] <popey> using OSM tiles
[10:44] <bobweaver> Like nokia maps popey  ?
[10:45] <popey> like any maps app ☺
[10:45]  * bobweaver dosent kniow what OSM is
[10:45] <popey> OpenStreetMap
[10:45] <bobweaver> ahh
[10:45] <popey> http://www.openstreetmap.org/
[10:45] <bobweaver> http://imagebin.org/242371
[10:46] <M4rtinK> I plan to port modRana: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/modrana/
[10:46] <popey> hah
[10:47] <M4rtinK> uses OSM tiles & supports both online & offline routing with spoken directions
[10:47] <M4rtinK> + many other features
[10:47]  * Tak wonder if any of his maemo apps survived
[10:47] <bobweaver> but nokia maps is not the greatest it uses google maps api and does not have much in the sence of searching and what not
[10:48] <chriadam> bobweaver: there's an OSM plugin for QtLocation floating around
[10:48] <M4rtinK> Tak: I'm still supporting Maemo 5 by the way (heck even SHR@Neo FreeRunner with the GTK GUI :) )
[10:48] <bobweaver> I will make popey gangnam style app that has him doing the dance
[10:48] <bobweaver> chriadam,  cool stuff thanks
[10:48] <bobweaver> qt4 ?
[10:50] <bobweaver> popey,  anywhere that I can find a head shot of you ?
[10:51] <popey> uhoh
[10:51] <bobweaver> launchpad is not cut out
[10:51] <bobweaver> I guess I could cut it out or I could make it so that you can add peoples heads to it
[10:51] <bobweaver> this is going to be fun Ubuntu Community gangnam style app
[11:42] <popey> speaking of maps bobweaver i just discovered http://www.refnum.com/tmp/apple.html which compares the tiles for Apple, OSM and Google maps
[11:42] <bobweaver> that is cool
[12:54] <blackouter> Hello people, is already secure to install ubuntu phone in my galaxy nexus? where I can found the OS for my phone?
[12:56] <bobweaver> blackouter,  please read topic
[12:56] <bobweaver> thanks
[12:56] <bobweaver> !topic
[12:57] <blackouter> Thanks guys!
[12:57] <bobweaver> er this is crazy I am trying to pull feed from Marks site and am having massive troubles
[13:01] <schasch> bought me a galaxy nexus to make it UBUNTU....now waiting for end of FEB  :-)
[13:03] <popey> bobweaver: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/feed ?
[13:06] <bobweaver> Yeah popey,  I Think that I got it but my computer over I need more power lol
[13:06] <bobweaver> namespace declaring was acting up
[13:09] <bobweaver> It is the content that I am having trouble with because of the namespace
[13:09] <bobweaver> content:encoded
[13:09] <bobweaver>  QML XmlRole: invalid query: "item[1]/content:encoded/string()"
[13:11] <bobweaver> I will ask on #qt-qml also
[13:28] <bobweaver> SNAP   :/
[13:34]  * bobweaver troubles are as follow's  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nR8D3y8oy4A&
[14:57] <Gaga> Anyone knows when Ubuntu Phone source will be available for free download? I am planning to port Ubuntu Phone on my i.MX53QSB board. Answer please.
[14:59] <schasch> Gaga . see /topic
[15:00] <Gaga> Please tell me what is "/topic" ?
[15:00] <DJones> type /topic in your irc client
[15:00] <DJones> That will give you info about the channel
[15:02] <Gaga> I found it! Thank You!
[15:18] <aeonwanderer> hello everybody i watched almost every demo at ces and i cant wait to try
[15:18] <aeonwanderer> is there any ideas about customization
[19:00] <as> getting restless
[19:53] <mattlgroff> I got an information packet for OEM's and Operators at CES, and it says the high end version can run on an Intel Atom. x86 Ubuntu Phone anyone?
[19:54] <popey> ☺
[20:39] <k1l_> x86 version is a clever move, imho. intel wants to push back into the mobile market. But Android is quite bound to ARM
[20:44] <ubuntubhoy> hmm, the libhoudini stuff works pretty well TBH
[23:18] <GuidoPallemans1> anyone else already developing qml apps?
[23:20] <netcurli> at least trying to (and running into a few bugs with the beta :D) https://plus.google.com/u/0/111619044192746082060/posts/CZt2B4ARAez
[23:21] <netcurli> the popups provided with ubuntu compontens seem also not to work flawlessly at the moment
[23:35] <GuidoPallemans1> oh I'm making a Reddit app too :D
[23:35] <GuidoPallemans1> but i'm kinda going for the full thing
[23:36] <netcurli> that was just the first json api without api key I could find :D
[23:36] <GuidoPallemans1> heh
[23:36] <GuidoPallemans1> it's a really good api
[23:37] <GuidoPallemans1> the reddit one
[23:37] <netcurli> I haven't looked that deep into this
[23:37] <GuidoPallemans1> the Ubuntu one looks very promising, but they need to eliminate bugs and document more...
[23:38] <netcurli> jep, that's for sure
[23:38] <GuidoPallemans1> and they really made a good choice on going with qml, that shit's easy yo
[23:38] <GuidoPallemans1> care if I use your search function? I don't have one yet...
[23:39] <GuidoPallemans1> (btw: #qt-qml )
[23:40] <netcurli> go ahead and use it :) I like to see my code being used
[23:40] <netcurli> what I put out in the open anyway
[23:41] <GuidoPallemans1> thanks
[23:42] <GuidoPallemans1> I will wait until the full sdk is released, can't really use it right nnow
[23:57] <netcurli> I will go to sleep now, it's 1am here^^