[12:12] <TLE> Hey this bug 78009 is a request for an newer version which is available upstream. Is that supposed to be rejected as a feature-request, or do I confirm it and contact the package maintainer ?
[12:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 78009 in dvd-slideshow "New upstream version" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78009
[12:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78012 in apt (main) "Untranslated string in french" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78012
[12:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78013 in ubiquity (main) "installer crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78013
[01:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78015 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 (restricted) "feisty kernel ath_pci module: BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 00000000" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78015
[01:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78017 in firehol (universe) "firehol does no longer start" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78017
[01:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78014 in gaim (main) "Gaim closed/crashed unexpectedly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78014
[01:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78016 in libupnp (universe) "old libupnp version" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78016
[01:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78019 in Ubuntu "error on opening website - www.wrev.net" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78019
[01:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78021 in linux-wlan-ng (main) "PHYSDEV warnings during bootup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78021
[01:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78022 in gcompris (main) "crash while click the "home" button" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78022
[01:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78023 in Ubuntu "No digital sound on U6.10" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78023
[02:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78027 in xfce4-clipman-plugin (main) "Get Chrash Reports at xfce start. Apparently crashing at logout." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78027
[02:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78028 in firefox (main) "firefox crashes when closed by close button" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78028
[03:11] <bddebian> Boo
[03:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> ello
[03:12] <Nafallo> Baah
[03:12] <Nafallo> :-D
[03:13] <bddebian> Heya Kamping_Kaiser, Nafallo
[04:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78030 in gnome-app-install (main) "[feisty] syntax error in AppInstall.py" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78030
[05:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78031 in kdebase (main) "Konqueror removes address when opening a new tab" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78031
[05:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78032 in gaim (main) "canceled direct connection causes crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78032
[06:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78035 in gnome-utils (main) "Gnome search can't delete file from search window" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78035
[06:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78037 in Ubuntu "rt2500 in feisty: problem & solution" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78037
[06:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78038 in Ubuntu "rhythmbox interferes with suspend" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78038
[06:11] <crimsun> erm, that's intentional, no/
[06:23] <somerville32> crimsun: Are we rejecting or confirming/wishlisting feature requests now?
[06:24] <crimsun> depends what the feature request is
[06:24] <lifeless> crimsun: thats a defect, discussing it with gnome-hackers now
[06:24] <lifeless> crimsun: as in the guy that wrote that code agrees its borked to some degree.
[06:24] <crimsun> lifeless: hmm, ok, I saw a changelog entry for it... ok.
[06:26] <somerville32> crimsun: Where?
[06:27] <crimsun> somerville32: come again?
[06:27] <somerville32> crimsun: Where did you see the changelog entry for it?
[06:27] <crimsun> somerville32: in the rhythmbox changelog
[06:27] <somerville32> Do you have a link handy?
[06:28] <crimsun> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/feisty-changes/2006-December/002434.html
[06:33] <somerville32> crimsun: I just gave the stock response for bug #78038
[06:33] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 78038 in rhythmbox "rhythmbox interferes with suspend" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78038
[06:34] <crimsun> well, it's definitely a bug (see above); I'd unmark it wishlist and make it Low.
[06:36] <somerville32> More like poor design decision, wouldn't you say, since the behaviour is intended.
[06:37] <crimsun> if the guy who coded it says it's broken, I'm inclined to take his word
[06:48] <lifeless> crimsun: the right thing to do is forward it upstream to gnome
[06:48] <lifeless> crimsun: as ubuntu devs are not directly working on it
[06:49] <lifeless> crimsun: as for priority, how many laptop users will be pissed off if suspend suddenly requires them to hit 'pause'
[06:49] <crimsun> ^^ somerville32
[06:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78040 in rhythmbox (main) "rhythmbox 0.9.7-0ubuntu2 missing a -dbg package" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78040
[06:56] <somerville32> I marked it as low
[06:56] <somerville32> I'll have to fwd upstream tomorrow
[07:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78041 in rhythmbox (main) "rhythmbox crashes when enabling&disabling last.fm plugin" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78041
[07:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78042 in kopete (main) "Window positioning is off" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78042
[07:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78043 in udev (main) "udev stops pppd persist working" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78043
[07:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78044 in mythplugins (multiverse) "Crash exiting from MythFlix" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78044
[07:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78045 in kdebase (main) ""Clear location bar" shortcut ignored" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78045
[07:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76421 in lvm2 (main) "system crash when creating more than one snapshot of a lvm volume" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/76421
[07:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78046 in lsb (main) "message lsb crashed when signed on" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78046
[08:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78047 in Ubuntu "front microphone socket doesn't work with ICH5 sound" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78047
[08:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78048 in wesnoth (universe) "Crash duing scenario load" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78048
[09:24] <TLE> Hey anybody here that have a few minutes to answer a couple of questions about triaging bugs (I can't find them covered in the wiki page)
[09:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78051 in Ubuntu "Please sync sonata 0.9-1 from Debian Sid (main)" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78051
[09:51] <mvo> TLE: please post your questions. I may be able to help you
[09:56] <TLE> Ok, first of all. If someone asks for a newer upstream version of a piece of software. Is that to be considered "wishlist" and rejected?
[09:58] <TLE> Second: Reports of missing translations. How do I handle them. I mean I can inform the translation team. But since many of the translations aren't complete is that to be considered a bug ?
[09:58] <bugman> TLE: for second point i suggest to assign the bug to relative translation team
[09:59] <TLE> Ok thanks
[10:00] <lifeless> TLE: why would you reject a requrest for a newer upstream version ?
[10:02] <TLE> well I'm just trying to learn this. I was just thinking, It isn't really a bug. If someone asks for a certain feature in a piece of software that't is to be considered wishlist and rejected, I just thought that this may be the same thing.
[10:03] <TLE> Otherwise, then I check if there really is a newer upstream version. If there is then I confirm it, and then I contact the package maintainer ?
[10:05] <mvo> TLE: I think a whishlist bug is appropriate for new versions. sometimes it is not really feasible for us to do anything about such a request (e.g. when we are in UpstreamVersion freeze)
[10:07] <TLE> Ahh I just actually found another bugreport that was handled like I said in the last line, that is confirm it and inform the package maintainers
[10:07] <TLE> mvo: yeah, but then maybe later. So I take you also do motu work ?
[10:09] <mvo> TLE: usually I don't do motu. I don't think we have conistent policy about new version requests, but I personally think they shouldn't be rejected. they are a valid request IMHO
[10:10] <TLE> Yes, that sound like a good idea. I'm going to check if really as a newer version, then I confim it and try contact the appropriate people
[10:10] <mvo> the issue may be different during UpstreamVersion freeze when there is no compelling reason to make a exception for the package and we know that it will automatically enter once the new development release was opened
[10:10] <mvo> TLE: that sounds good :)
[10:11] <TLE> thanks for all your help
[10:11] <mvo> cheers
[10:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78052 in texfam (universe) "multex-bin fails to install" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78052
[10:34] <davmor2> Why can't I log onto gmail chat using gossip-telephany in feisty?
[10:35] <davmor2> I can using jabber protocol in gaim.
[10:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78053 in gnome-themes (main) "Smokey Blue theme is missing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78053
[10:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78054 in ubiquity (main) "Install from live 6.06.1 amd64 aborted." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78054
[10:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78055 in ubuntu-restricted-extras (multiverse) "ubuntu-restricted-extras depends on sun-java5; sun-java6 is now available" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78055
[10:48] <lifeless> TLE: also, why reject somethething just cause its wishlist ?
[11:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78056 in Ubuntu "seahorse can't generate keys" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78056
[11:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78057 in Ubuntu "nvidia proprietary driver at 800x600" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78057
[11:26] <TLE> lifeless: Well I'm not sure about that. But say if it is a request for some sort of new function in a program. Then it isn't really a bug and Launchpad isn't really the place. In that case it would probably be better to contact the devels and ask them if they would implement it. Also that particular function could be missing on purpose. Maybe because some other software takes care of that part of the task.
[11:26] <lifeless> TLE: so, several things.
[11:26] <TLE> lifeless: anyway that was just how I read the wiki page on this task. But I may be wrong in my interpratation
[11:27] <TLE> lifeless: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage under rejecting
[11:27] <TLE> lifeless: oh I'm sorry. I guess I'm perhaps have misunderstod you. Are you asking me or correcting me *G* ?
[11:28] <somerville32> :]
[11:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78058 in dvd-slideshow (multiverse) "Please sync dvd-slideshow (multiverse) from debian-multimedia" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78058
[11:32] <TLE> That's a dublicate #78058. I'll handle that
[11:36] <Adri2000> TLE: #78058 is a duplicate?
[11:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78059 in libjsw (universe) "segfault in JSClose" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78059
[11:47] <Adri2000> TLE: for bug 78009, no problem, you haven't changed the status in fact, I already marked it as confirmed
[11:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 78009 in dvd-slideshow "New upstream version" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78009
[11:47] <TLE> Oh here you are. I'm sorry. I messed up a little. I just emailed you exlpaining. *note to self, remember to update your firefox tabs before changing things in LP*
[11:48] <Adri2000> :p
[11:49] <Adri2000> TLE: I have received your email, but #78009 is not the same as #78058: I have filed #78058 to fix #78009 :) #78059 is a sync request
[11:49] <Adri2000> emails*
[11:50] <Adri2000> #78058 is a sync request
[11:51] <TLE> Adri2000: yeah I was just writing to you. I know they are not the same. I just thought that since they are concerning the "same" new software maybe that was the way to go
[11:53] <Adri2000> TLE: we use malone to request syncs, but they are not really bugs. it's a way used by the developer to ask the archive admins to update a package in the ubuntu repository using (usually) the package from the debian repository (since (except some) packages in ubuntu come from packages in debian)
[11:54] <Adri2000> packages in ubuntu come from debian * :)
[11:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78060 in listen "When Listen is minimized, it cannot be brought back to normal" [Unknown,Unknown]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78060
[11:57] <TLE> Adri2000: Ok. But so if there is a original bug stating that there is a new version upstream. That is not to be considered a dublicate og the sync. request ?
[11:59] <Adri2000> TLE: no, we have to file a separate bug with all the infos needed for the sync and to subscribe ubuntu-archive (the archive admins) to the sync request bug. note that in #78058, ubuntu-archive is not subscribed, it's because I'm not "yet" a developer, so I'm waiting for a developer to confirm that my sync request is correct, he will subscribe ubuntu-archive
[12:00] <Adri2000> s/"yet"/(yet)/
[12:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78061 in mozilla-thunderbird (main) "Thudebird crashes on start after update" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78061
[12:00] <crimsun> bug 78058
[12:00] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 78058 in dvd-slideshow "Please sync dvd-slideshow (multiverse) from debian-multimedia" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78058
[12:01] <crimsun> Adri2000: please amend the description to affirm it builds properly
[12:02] <Adri2000> done :)
[12:03] <crimsun> acked.
[12:03] <Adri2000> crimsun: I should always do that? or archive admins assume that when you request a sync you have built the package?
[12:04] <crimsun> you should always test-compile and -install/uninstall/upgrade
[12:05] <crimsun> stating as much in the report is good, too.
[12:05] <Adri2000> ok
[12:07] <TLE> Adri2000: ok thanks for clearing that up. One last thing, ubuntu-archive, do they handle both main, universe and multiverse stuff ?
[12:07] <Adri2000> yes, all the components
[12:08] <TLE> Adri2000: ok, thanks a million. I hope i'll learn all of this before I wear up the patience of the people in this room *G*
[12:10] <Adri2000> no problem, thanks for your work on bugs ;)
[12:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78062 in Ubuntu "Kernel update crashes "cryptsetuped" Ubuntu systems" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78062
[12:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78063 in firefox (main) "firefox crashing on rebooting" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78063
[12:43] <lifeless> TLE: rejecting feature requests should be done with care
[12:44] <lifeless> TLE: there is a space in launchpad - the specs system - for feature requests to be tracked.
[12:44] <lifeless> TLE: but theres no 'forward upstream' for specs, whereas there is for bugs.
[12:45] <lifeless> sfllaw: ^ I think the HowToTriage bit that says "Sometimes, you will have to reject a bug report. This may be because the problem is not reproducible, the program was designed to behave a certain way, or the report is actually a feature request."
[12:45] <lifeless> sfllaw: could be improved, so we dont start just flat rejecting feature requests that *have no better home within lp* - which is, AFAICT, all feature requests we'd like upstream to process.
[12:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78065 in iriverter (multiverse) "iriverter doesn't recognize Java on my system" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78065
[12:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78067 in evolution-exchange (main) "Evolution exchange connector crashing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78067
[12:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78068 in aptitude (main) "Aptitude segfaults when trying to install a package with negative priority" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78068
[12:58] <TLE> lifeless: ok, yeah I know the spec system, but that's only for project in LP isn't it. Anyway, I get what you're saying and will do it accordingly.
[01:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78069 in Ubuntu "Installer hangs or slows down dramatically" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78069
[01:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78070 in evolution-exchange "Evolution exchange calendar missing recurring events" [Unknown,Unknown]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78070
[01:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78071 in debian-installer (main) "Installs i686 kernel also on i586 -> does not boot" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78071
[01:21] <gnomefreak> mvo: i found 2 bugs on the autoremove issue the one i gave you yesterday and one i found today they are marked as duplicates now. that is the only info i could find on the issue. if you need more info let me know what you need i can go to my edgy install and see if i can get it.
[01:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78075 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "acx version is horriby outdated" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78075
[01:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78076 in firefox (main) "i was gonna clean out sensetiv data, than it crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78076
[01:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78074 in Ubuntu "Wireless fails to properly load on boot" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78074
[01:32] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78072 in Ubuntu "Unusable and poor graphical performance with standard Vesa drivers on LiveCD" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78072
[01:44] <mvo> gnomefreak: thanks a lot! I'm just having lunch, I will come back to you in ~30min?
[01:44] <gnomefreak> anytime
[01:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78078 in network-manager (main) "[feisty]  nm gives me an ip even if there is no cable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78078
[01:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78079 in firefox (main) "Firefox crashes when second FF window has bookmarks "Open All in Tabs"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78079
[02:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78080 in ubiquity (main) "[feisty]  ubiquity 1.3.5 and 1.3.7 crash before partitioning" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78080
[02:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78081 in valgrind (main) "valgrind crashes on memcheck for a given program " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78081
[02:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78083 in Ubuntu "installer crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78083
[02:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78084 in atanks (universe) "atanks crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78084
[02:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78085 in packagesearch (universe) "Please sync packagesearch (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78085
[03:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76510 in firestarter (universe) "package doesn't recommend a dhcp server" [Wishlist,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/76510
[03:31] <Nafallo> bug 48006
[03:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 48006 in firestarter "dhcp server" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/48006
[03:31] <Nafallo> i discovered while using firestarter that i did not have a dhcp
[03:31] <Nafallo> server. obviously this should have been a dependency to firestarter
[03:31] <Nafallo> since one of firestarters main functions depends on it...
[03:31] <Nafallo> what's all that about?
[03:32] <Nafallo> I haven't found such a function...
[03:32] <Nafallo> http://www.fs-security.com/docs/dhcp.php
[03:32] <Nafallo> hmm
[03:34] <ogra> thats total nonsense ...
[03:35] <ogra> firestarter as a enduser gui for firewalls surely shouldnt depend on any dhcp server
[03:35] <Nafallo> ogra: my first thought exactly. but a suggest might be good? :-)
[03:35] <ogra> no
[03:36] <ogra> a fix to the code for the initscript handling that takes into accunt which dhcp server is installed ...
[03:36] <Nafallo> the homepage does state it like a main feature to be able to set up dhcp, and the docs points to the wrong package :-P
[03:36] <Nafallo> ah. right.
[03:36] <ogra> it should be able to handle both ...
[03:36] <Nafallo> that might be a fun exercise :-)
[03:37] <ogra> unless it can only handle old dhcp configs ...
[03:37] <Nafallo> the bugs says it's trying to edit dhcp3-servers conf :-P
[03:38] <Nafallo> but tries to start the old one...
[03:38] <Nafallo> how annoying :-)
[03:38] <ogra> yeah
[03:38] <ogra> the dhcpd package should die ... dunno why its still around ...
[03:38] <Nafallo> word!
[03:40] <ogra>  a suggests alongside the above might not be wrong then ...
[03:41] <Nafallo> hmm, I wonder where that dhcp-thing is hardcoded... not in the init for sure ;-)
[03:45] <Nafallo> hi mvo :-)
[03:47] <Nafallo> haha. this is a bit ugly :-P
[03:56] <Nafallo> oh my...
[03:56] <Nafallo> src/dhcp-server.c:      dhcp3_in_use = g_file_test ("/etc/dhcp3", G_FILE_TEST_EXISTS);
[03:58] <ogra> heh
[04:02] <Nafallo> now both should work. should I suggest something anyway? :-)
[04:07] <Nafallo> baah. I might aswell suggest the damn server :-P
[04:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78087 in e2fsprogs (main) "crazy output (weird symbols in console, font changes)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78087
[04:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78088 in amule (universe) "amule crash: apparently no reason too many connections?" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78088
[04:47] <Nafallo> hehe
[04:47] <Nafallo> someone added a Debian bug about the bug I just fixed :-)
[04:47] <Nafallo> nice
[05:18] <bddebian> Boo
[05:18] <ogra> bee
[05:18] <bddebian> :-)
[05:18] <Nafallo> baa
[05:18] <Nafallo> :-)
[05:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78091 in firefox (main) "Crash firefox with url" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78091
[05:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78092 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 (main) "MySQL server 5 won't run in Edgy amd-64" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78092
[05:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78093 in linux-source-2.6.15 (main) "Kernel bug in madwifi on x86_32 with ath_rate/sample/sample.c:366" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78093
[05:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78094 in apport (main) "apport-retrace -d AssertionError" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78094
[05:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78095 in firefox (main) "Random firefox crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78095
[06:05] <Nafallo> how long should it take for me reply to end up on bugs.debian.org? :-)
[06:06] <keescook> Nafallo: I've found it ranges from 5-30 minutes sometimes.
[06:06] <Nafallo> 29 minutes now :-)
[06:06] <keescook> heh.
[06:08] <keescook> on the other hand, I reported a debian bug around the same time you did, and I got the email back around 20 minutes ago...
[06:09] <Nafallo> hmm
[06:09] <Nafallo> gpg-signed with two attachments should't screw things up? :-)
[06:09] <keescook> hm... dunno, I've never tried sending a signed email to the tracker; I'd be surprised if it horked things, though.
[06:10] <Nafallo> yea. same here :-)
[06:22] <keescook> Nafallo: actually, I take it back, I only got my self-CC... mine doesn't show up either.  :(
[06:22] <Nafallo> oh :-/
[06:23] <Nafallo> dooh
[06:23] <Nafallo> I filter bugmail...
[06:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78098 in control-center (main) "http_proxy defined incorrectly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78098
[06:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78099 in control-center (main) "gnome-network-preferences: setting http proxy does not take immediate effect." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78099
[06:43] <qhartman> I've run into what I believe is either a BIOS or kernel bug regarding sata, specifically the ahci module. If any of the HP dc5750 desktops I have get 4GB or RAM installed in them, the sata controller (on an ATI SB600, I believe) fails to properly query and identify devices. What is the best way / place to report this bug, and help isolate whether or not this is a BIOS or kernel bug?
[06:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78100 in Ubuntu "X fails after the spalsh screen, black screen, locked" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78100
[07:11] <localverb> Hi guys :)
[07:15] <jrib> hi
[07:16] <Nafallo> woha! I got the debian bug...
[07:16] <Nafallo> reply even
[07:19] <a7p> I waited for a reply on bug 26471 for more than a month, but did not get any (but is more than a year old and targets an nvidia-driver composite problem in breezy).
[07:19] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 26471 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15 "Enabling composite crashed Xorg" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/26471
[07:19] <a7p> can I close this bug?
[07:21] <a7p> someone asked to have a partially binary driver included in sane-backends-extras (bug 72321) how to handle this?
[07:21] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 72321 in sane-backends-extras "Include Brother scanner drivers (brother2, brother)" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/72321
[07:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78102 in libflash (universe) "[Merge Request]  libflash 0.4.13-9 from debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78102
[07:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76460 in firefox (main) "firefox crash while reading website" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/76460
[07:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76550 in firefox (main) "Crash when hover on Money.CNN.com page" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/76550
[07:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78103 in vlc (universe) "VLC crashes when seeking in a mkv file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78103
[08:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78104 in Ubuntu "cpu usage over 80 % using Firefox in Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78104
[08:16] <marnanel> so kill it
[08:16] <Nafallo> hehe
[08:23] <a7p> which one? both?
[08:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78105 in Ubuntu "Every time I restart I get a crash report" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78105
[08:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78106 in Ubuntu "Installer Crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78106
[08:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71396 in firefox (main) "Crash after applet initialisation" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/71396
[09:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78110 in Ubuntu "Include transmission from Debian in Ubuntu" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78110
[09:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78111 in Ubuntu "Include linuxdcpp from Debian in Ubuntu" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78111
[09:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78107 in genpower (universe) "[Sync Request]  genpower-1.0.5-2 from Debian Unstable (dup-of: 75294)" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78107
[09:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78108 in stopmotion (universe) "stopmotion crashed while importing 1600 jpegs..." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78108
[09:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78109 in Ubuntu "dpkg crashing the system" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78109
[09:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78112 in bluez-sdp (universe) "cannot install libsdp2-dev" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78112
[09:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78113 in gdm (main) "gdm dies after logging out after using kde desktop (dapper)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78113
[09:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78114 in telepathy-sharp (universe) "wrong rights on dlls" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78114
[09:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78115 in Ubuntu "Install screen text outsize" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78115
[09:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78116 in Ubuntu "Problem with the echo command" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78116
[09:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78117 in kdebase (main) "Proxy configuration URL lost" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78117
[09:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78118 in rhythmbox (main) "rhythmbox crashes when editing mp3 file properties" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78118
[10:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78119 in totem (main) "Totem-gstreamer crash opening a wmv" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78119
[10:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78120 in gnupg (main) "segfault when running addcardkey for OpenPGP smartcard" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78120
[10:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78121 in Ubuntu "Install screen text outsize" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78121
[10:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78122 in seq24 (universe) "seq24: Please review/upload this merged package." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78122
[10:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78123 in Ubuntu "Problems With PCMCIA WIFI" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78123
[11:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78124 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 (restricted) "Dependency Feisty: problem with linux-restricted-modules-generic" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78124
[11:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78125 in Ubuntu "Nvidia-driver problem" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78125
[11:21] <gnomefreak> impressive title
[11:26] <TLE> LOL
[11:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78126 in firefox (main) "Firefox preferences window for zoom image and tab mix plus extensions are zero sized" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78126
[11:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78128 in ubiquity (main) "[feisty]  Installer crashed on "Set Time..." " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78128
[12:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78129 in Ubuntu "just after  openning a session" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78129


[01:13] <ruben> is there someone who can help
[01:13] <ruben> ?
[01:13] <ruben> im porting to a device
[08:20] <cicil> ..
[08:20] <cicil> anybody here
[08:22] <HonP> Hi, is it possible to rotate display upside down?
[09:43] <HonP> Hi, is it possible to rotate display upside down?
[13:43] <anthonybocci> Hello!
[13:43] <anthonybocci> Is anybody having a bug that seems to it? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-sdk-ide/+bug/1593559
[13:43] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1593559 in Ubuntu SDK IDE "Segmentation fault while opening project" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[18:42] <bufalo1973> hello
[18:44] <bufalo1973> apart from the devices listed in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices, is it difficult to install UT in a "nameless" tablet? (Prixton 10")
[18:47] <popey> in short, yes
[18:59] <bufalo1973> thanks, popey
[18:59] <bufalo1973> given that I don't use that tablet I'll try to install it anyway :-)
[19:14] <Acou_Bass> that can only go well
[20:28] <aroyl> have a couple questions that i can't seem to find answers to on the web
[20:29] <aroyl> anyone happen to know how to install apps with the libertine scope/desktop apps function
[20:29] <aroyl> ota-13
[20:29] <aroyl> aquarus m10
[20:29] <aroyl> would like synaptic
[20:35] <Acou_Bass> well he disappeared before i could answer ;( helpful :p
[20:37] <aroyl> must be bedtime in everyone's parts of the world?
[20:38] <k1l> aroyl: this is not how irc works :)
[20:38] <Acou_Bass> aroyl: you didnt give us much time to answer xD
[20:38] <aroyl> sorry
[20:38] <Acou_Bass> do you already have a container created? presumably so on an m10
[20:38] <k1l> but outside european office times, this channel is a lot slower.
[20:39] <Acou_Bass> if so all you need to do is: libertine-container-manager install-package -p synaptic
[20:39] <aroyl> thought since the libertine thing was already installed i didnt need container
[20:39] <Acou_Bass> not quite true :P it just means a container already exists hehe
[20:39] <aroyl> yikes
[20:40] <Acou_Bass> WAIT, maybe not -p synaptic
[20:40] <aroyl> how do i get anything done with terminal? still got no root right?
[20:40] <Acou_Bass> oh no, it is synaptic ;D
[20:40] <Acou_Bass> you dont need root to open a terminal
[20:40] <Acou_Bass> containers are stored in /home/phablet
[20:40] <aroyl> i mean whatever i tried in terminal it would tell me i had no permission
[20:40] <Acou_Bass> 0,o
[20:40] <Acou_Bass> youre not running sudo are you..?
[20:41] <aroyl> tried to
[20:41] <Acou_Bass> dont
[20:41] <aroyl> didnt work
[20:41] <Acou_Bass> dont use sudo
[20:41] <aroyl> oops
[20:41] <Acou_Bass> just libertine-container-manager
[20:41] <Acou_Bass> can also do libertine-container-manager search-cache -s *searchname*
[20:41] <Acou_Bass> turns out 'synaptic' is the package youre after
[20:41] <Acou_Bass> so i say go for that
[20:42] <aroyl> if this works then i should be able to use synaptic same as on my desktop?
[20:42] <aroyl> or i have to create container for each app?
[20:42] <Acou_Bass> well itll install apps to your container yes
[20:42] <Acou_Bass> no no need for per-app containers
[20:42] <aroyl> container is like virtual machine?
[20:43] <aroyl> or sandbox
[20:43] <Acou_Bass> a lot lighter-weight ;D more of a sandbox
[20:43] <aroyl> will try right now. hopefully this window stays alive
[20:44] <aroyl> libertine-container-manager -p synaptic right?
[20:44] <Acou_Bass> libertine-container-manager install-package -p synaptic
[20:45] <aroyl> thanks. be right back.
[20:45] <Acou_Bass> ;D
[20:45] <aroyl> permission denied. asks if im root
[20:46] <Acou_Bass> wait... doesnt the m10 come with a libertine app anyway? why cant you install synaptic via that
[20:46] <aroyl> yes. has libertine with ota-13 upgrade
[20:46] <aroyl> trying to figure out how to install with
[20:47] <Acou_Bass> im not sure why its asking if youre root, thats really weird
[20:47] <Acou_Bass> oh wait
[20:47] <Acou_Bass> the m10 container is installed in the rootfs isnt it... crap
[20:47] <Acou_Bass> id wait for someone else to chip in who knows their way around an m10 then... but you MAY have to create a second container in your /home so youre able to write to it
[20:48] <aroyl> used to be libertine scope - now its desktop apps
[20:49] <aroyl> oh wow. alt-tab works!
[20:49] <aroyl> lots of updates since i first got this
[20:50] <aroyl> okay, maybe you can help with this easy one...how do i pin an icon to the menu bar at left
[20:50] <aroyl> .
[20:52] <aroyl> went ahead adn tried with sudo. it told me not to do that:)
[20:53] <aroyl> anyone else know how to install apps in ota-13 aquarus m10 tablet libertine already installed
[20:57] <aroyl> dont know how to quite properly so im just going to close the window. apologize if this still leaves me logged in.
[21:04] <aroyl> i'm back
[21:04] <aroyl> anyone miss me?
[21:06] <MrChrisDruif> aroyl: sure
[21:07] <aroyl> yeah. know how to install an app with ota-13
[21:08] <aroyl> libertine is already there. aquarus m10 tablet
[21:16] <aroyl> lots of people logged in here but no chat happening. how does this room work?
[21:18] <k1l> aroyl: welcome to irc :)
[21:19] <aroyl> enough said :)
[21:19] <aroyl> hehe
[21:26] <Acou_Bass> aroyl: http://notyetthere.org/installing-more-puritine-apps-on-the-m10/
[21:26] <Acou_Bass> this may help
[21:27] <aroyl> awesome. thanks! checking it out now
[21:27] <Acou_Bass> as suspected you needa make a new puritine container ;D
[21:27] <Acou_Bass> i dunno if those steps will have changed between ota-11 and -13 though
[21:28] <aroyl> ah. know what? i saw this one. dated june when ota-11 didnt have libertine or puritine or whatever. now ota-13 has it. think this will still work?
[21:29] <Acou_Bass> ahh right
[21:29] <Acou_Bass> hmm
[21:29] <Acou_Bass> im not sure to be honest
[21:30] <aroyl> i might try anyway. via usb might be the only way.
[21:31] <aroyl> difficult to find answers. guess not too many people using this
[21:31] <aroyl> acou_bass: are you using ubuntu touch on anything?
[21:32] <Acou_Bass> yeah i run it on a nexus 4
[21:32] <Acou_Bass> which doesnt have the libertine app or any container installed by default
[21:32] <Acou_Bass> hence why im just sort of winging it :p
[21:32] <aroyl> that's cool. on a nexus 4. how do you figure this stuff out?
[21:33] <aroyl> i just learned today how to pin an icon to my launcher
[21:33] <Acou_Bass> mostly from the touch/libertine wiki page :D but also just opening the terminal and typing 'libertine' then pressing tab to see what happens
[21:33] <Acou_Bass> XD
[21:35] <aroyl> well i really am done for the day. battery dying. going to charge it. time to throw a steak on the grill. thanks for helping out. going to investigate the process you pointed me to. hopefully can get something out of it.
[21:35] <Acou_Bass> hehe no worries ;D enjoy the steak


[12:33] <NetSysFire> i got a super freaky issue on a vps with 22.04. when i use gateway6 to add ipv6 config and do netplan try it works. if i add it via a default route it causes a e1000 0000:00:05.0 enp0s5: Detected Tx Unit Hang
[12:35] <NetSysFire> it miraculously recovers on its own but i can reliably reproduce that. its a kvm vps, so i cant rule out that the hoster is simply messing up
[12:37] <NetSysFire> oh and its getting rendered to networkd as an additional detail
[17:15] <bblinky> ping
[18:57] <bblinky> I am in an annoying situation where my provider (OVH) has decided to ship their debian 12 image with netplan on it, I need to set up a bridge device but I can't figure out how to make it work becasue I don't understand the netplan syntax and the match call that they are making in their declerations... This is the content of my
[18:57] <bblinky> /etc/netplan/50-cloud-init.yaml https://paste.debian.net/1306973/


[01:42] <dragon_> I installed  Telegram from browser, can I remove it?
[01:44] <oerheks> telegram-web? or the snap version?
[01:44] <oerheks> snap remove telegram
[02:04] <dragon_> desktop version
[02:04] <dragon_> I sort of gave it up
[02:04] <dragon_> what kind of heks?
[02:05] <dragon_> https://desktop.telegram.org/
[02:05] <dragon_> this one
[02:06] <dragon_> I have given up on Telegram, can`t be bothered anymore. The confirmation code never arrives
[02:06] <dragon_> I have tried sudo apt-get remove Telegram
[02:06] <dragon_> did not work
[02:07] <oerheks> register in your browser.. on your phone?
[02:07] <oerheks> then install the snap https://snapcraft.io/telegram-desktop
[02:07] <oerheks> voila
[02:08] <dragon_> it dowloads as an app for the blue click on thing then appears under menu-internet
[02:08] <dragon_> from* not for
[02:08] <oerheks> for non-phone users, maybe this trick still works https://www.techbout.com/telegram-without-phone-number-57005/
[02:09] <dragon_> I have no idea why the code doesnt arrive on my phone though
[02:10] <oerheks> dunno either, in your mail maybe?
[02:11] <dragon_> nothing and no reply form their support form nor twitter
[02:13] <oerheks> maybe tomorrow, good luck!
[02:13] <dragon_> thanks
[02:14] <dragon_> I have been at it all week, I don`t expect much to happen
[02:14] <dragon_> now, I try to remove it
 Where I can report misconfiguration in default systemd settings?
 Lubuntu, by default, waits with boot until network connection succeeds or fails which is quite pointless and noticeably increases boot time.
 See https://gist.github.com/matkoniecz/27031a4918944cb556e1742930e6d927 (12s->6s for time measured by systemd-analyze critical-chain)
[09:52] <Maik> @matkoniecz i guess you'll have to look on their website where to file bug reports
[09:59] <guiverc> @matkoniecz, systemd is Ubuntu maintained (part of base system), not Lubuntu specific.
[10:02] <Maik> in that case he has to report it at ubuntu's end on Launchpad
[11:09] <SkyToken> nice stuff
[19:21] <dragon_> has anyone tried microsoft teams app?
[19:21] <dragon_> I cannot run it in browser
[19:22] <dragon_> I get "cannot detect dependencies" when I try to install the app from browser
[19:22] <dragon_> I struggle a bit videconferances in lubuntu
[19:29] <Maik> dragon_: you were given a link on how to install the teams app on linux the last time you asked
[19:29] <dragon_> I have been through all the steps several times over
[19:30] <dragon_> There are hickups with the Teams registration and login, and I suspect it has something to do with area blocks or just technical issues
[19:31] <Maik> then i don't know, i never used the teams app and never will
[19:31] <dragon_> I have put Teams aside for a while
[19:31] <dragon_> I have contacted Teams, and there aren`t any support replies
[19:32] <Maik> probably will take a while before they respond
[19:32] <dragon_> are you using any vide coference software?
[19:32] <Maik> me? No, i don't
[19:32] <dragon_> At work they use Teams
[19:33] <Maik> because they are forced to i guess
[19:33] <dragon_> something like that
[19:33] <Maik> maybe dual boot windows with Lubuntu or run windows in a VM
[19:34] <dragon_> the weird thing is where I used to work, chrome books and less than ideal it department
[19:35] <dragon_> skype used to work in lubuntu, but it`s years since I used it
[19:35] <dragon_> I have to look into this
[19:40] <dragon_> I could ask in Ubuntu, more users there
[20:54] <heavyglow> hi there, i am trying to download the intel iso for 20.04 lts release but it's only listing the amd image file
[20:54] <heavyglow> im on lubuntu.me/download trying to get the torrent file
[20:55] <tomreyn> heavyglow: is "amd64" what you're reading there?
[20:55] <tomreyn> if so, that's also for current intel desktop / laptop cpus
[20:55] <heavyglow> yes will that work on intel laptop i3
[20:55] <heavyglow> ok thanks for your help
[20:56] <tomreyn> where "current" refers to most computers of the past 10 years
[20:56] <tomreyn> i3 should be 64-bits, should be fine
[20:56] <heavyglow> yeah i guess added 64bit so it makes sense haha
[20:56] <heavyglow> amd*


[01:41] <pleia2> meeting in just under 20 minutes
[01:42] <lynorian> ok
[02:00] <pleia2> meeting time :)
[02:00] <pleia2> #startmeeting
[02:00] <darthrobot> Meeting started Mon Jun 13 02:00:29 2016 UTC.  The chair is pleia2. Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[02:00] <pleia2> Agenda:
[02:00] <pleia2> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/16June12
[02:00] <darthrobot> Title: [CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/16June12 - Ubuntu Wiki]
[02:00] <pleia2> who all is here for the meeting?
[02:01] <lynorian> o/
[02:03] <pleia2> alright, hi lynorian :)
[02:04] <pleia2> #topic Upcoming events
[02:04] <pleia2> nothing in the loco team portal at this time http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-california/
[02:04] <darthrobot> Title: [Ubuntu California | Ubuntu LoCo Team Portal]
[02:04] <pleia2> our Meetup.com group has the monthly Pasadena Ubuntu Hours, next one coming up in July http://www.meetup.com/Ubuntu-California/
[02:04] <darthrobot> [403] Title: [Attention Required! | CloudFlare]
[02:05] <pleia2> we'll talk about 16.04 events being planned in a few minutes
[02:05] <pleia2> any others anyone is aware of?
[02:05] <lynorian> pleia2, no
[02:07] <pleia2> ok
[02:07] <pleia2> #topic Announcements
[02:07] <pleia2> are there any? :)
[02:07]  * lynorian does not have any
[02:09] <pleia2> ok, we'll keep things going then
[02:09] <pleia2> #topic 16.04 release parties, presentations
[02:10] <pleia2> so there was the micro release party back in april that Michael Paoli hosted, but that seems to be pretty much it so far for California
[02:10] <pleia2> that one was at BUUG (berkeley unix users group) on release day http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-california/3364-ubuntu-1604-xenial-xerus-release-micro-party-berkeley/
[02:10] <darthrobot> Title: [Ubuntu 16.04 Xenial Xerus Release micro-"Party" - Berkeley | Ubuntu LoCo Team Portal]
[02:11] <lynorian> Yeah I know I don't really know of venues that much and got really busy with things like my dad going into the hospital
[02:11] <pleia2> as I mentioned at the last meeting, I've been searching for a venue for something in San Francisco and think I finally found one :)
[02:11] <pleia2> lynorian: eep, sorry to hear
[02:11] <pleia2> I've also been busy, but thankfully nothing bad
[02:12] <pleia2> I'm working with the organizer at a venue this week, so should have an announcement for an SF release party in the end of July in the next few days
[02:12] <pleia2> I'll also be giving a couple 16.04 presentations, the first is two weeks away in Felton at FeltonLUG on Saturday, June 25th
[02:13] <pleia2> then on July 19th at the Bay Area Linux Users Group meeting, that one will be pretty casual since there's no projector or anything
[02:13] <pleia2> I'll likely be skipping the Ubuntu Hour in San Francisco again in July since I have all this other stuff going on
[02:14] <pleia2> I'll forward details about both these things to the list so others who don't read these meeting logs will be kept in the loop :)
[02:14] <pleia2> once the announcements go out
[02:15] <pleia2> so, all around good news and things happening here in SF, should be a good summer for us
[02:15] <pleia2> #topic Any other business
[02:15]  * lynorian does not have any
[02:16] <pleia2> ok, hopefully once I announce the SF party this week it'll inspire some others ;)
[02:16] <pleia2> I'll also update the wiki this week to add a page about release stuff so it's all in one place
[02:17] <lynorian> pleia2, good
[02:20] <pleia2> alright, sounds like we can wrap this up then
[02:20] <pleia2> thanks for joining me, lynorian :)
[02:20] <pleia2> #endmeeting
[02:20] <darthrobot> Meeting ended Mon Jun 13 02:20:23 2016 UTC.
[02:20] <darthrobot> Minutes:        http://ihas.5cat.com/~darthrobot/ubuntu-us-ca/2016/ubuntu-us-ca.2016-06-13-02.00.moin.txt
[02:20] <lynorian> hard to hold a one person meeting
[02:20] <pleia2> lynorian: hope your dad is ok
[02:21] <lynorian> he is out now he was in for a while around release time
[02:21] <pleia2> that's good
[02:22] <lynorian> not if I get into arguments with him :(
[02:22] <lynorian> anyway I need to eat dinner
[02:24] <pleia2> :\
[02:24] <pleia2> have a nice dinner
[02:43] <lynorian> augh when he won't give me the order he wants and says he knows what he wants this is infuriating
[18:35] <pleia2> SF release party date and venue confirmed!
[18:35] <pleia2> we'll be at OpenDNS (near SF Caltrain stop) on Thursday, July 28th :)
[18:37] <pleia2> working out final details to set up the event and send out announcements
[21:25] <nhandler> Darn, I'll be in my new apartment by then (slightly further walk). But really, great job getting this sorted out pleia2 \o/
[21:26] <pleia2> nhandler: hah, moving far?
[21:27] <nhandler> pleia2: Not really. And assuming no conflicts come up, I should be there
[21:32] <pleia2> great :)


[13:21] <Rhonda> Is there already some images available for 12.10?  A neighbour would like to has his system newly installed, and I guess using 12.10 might be an option already? :)
[13:22] <Rhonda> Ah, found it in the wiki, beta2 is current, right?
[14:36] <sagaci> Rhonda, rc images are on the qa tracker
[15:38] <Rhonda> hmm
[15:38] <Rhonda> What image would I need for booting from an USB stick?
[15:40] <Rhonda> Rhonda: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[15:40] <Rhonda> *grmpf*  usb-creator* not available in Debian  :/
[15:42] <Rhonda> Someone willing to use usb-creator for me and make the file available? :)
[15:43] <iulian> Rhonda: Use unetbootin.
[15:44] <Rhonda> iulian, thanks!
[16:05] <Rhonda> hmm
[16:06] <Rhonda> That didn't work. Do I have to mkfs.vfat on the raw device instead of on a partition?
[21:09] <cjwatson> Rhonda: Just dd the image to the raw USB disk device.


[11:26] <cyberanger> Unit193: http://xkcd.com/1597/
[12:53] <Unit193> Yeeeeeep.
[20:32] <cyberanger> Anyone looked at any CDN network, CDN77 perhaps?
[20:32] <cyberanger> Looking for suggestions


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[00:08] <teward> thank you for the accept :)
[00:09] <infinity> teward: Thanks for addressing my nitpicking. :P
[00:09] <teward> infinity: i quite like it when people point out my minor failures
[00:10] <teward> it makes me realize why i say i shouldn't code after being jerked around left right up and down by work
[00:10] <teward> :P
[00:10] <infinity> teward: For the record, that's not about "ugh, your changelog sucks", but more about "always debdiff and read carefully before upload".  The same sort of careful review of why your changelog sucks tends to also apply to carefully reviewing the rest of the diff, IME.
[00:11] <teward> mhm
[00:11] <teward> oh you know what, that hit at the same time as we had servers going BOOM in the server room, no wonder i didn't catch those mistakes :/
[00:11]  * teward shrugs
[00:11] <teward> infinity: i still don't mind when my minor mistakes are pointed out - makes me pay more attention in the future :)
[00:12] <teward> at least it's not a 'HEY THIS IS UNTESTED WHY DID YOU UPLOAD IT' situation
[00:12] <teward> (which has happened once)
[01:46] <jackyu> Hi, release team, Help: we can not update the status on Wily Alpha 2 of Ubuntu Kylin. It stays on re-building, we want to Cancel it.
[02:11] <infinity> jackyu: I can fix that.
[02:11] <jackyu> infinity, great, thanks^
[02:14] <infinity> jackyu: Did you want a fresh build?  That's the simplest way to fix it.
[02:15] <jackyu> infinity, yes!
[02:15] <infinity> jackyu: Right.  Fresh build coming up, then.
[02:15] <teward> infinity: thanks on helping with that SRU and getting to proposed.  verification-done but i'mma let it sit
[02:15]  * teward isn't too worried about it :P
[02:17] <jackyu> infinity, Actually, we updated a package that results in the block problem. So we want to build a fresh one.
[02:17] <infinity> jackyu: There's a fresh build in progress right now.
[02:18] <jackyu> infinity, Great~
[02:47] <infinity> jackyu: ^
[02:49] <jackyu> ☺
[05:45] <tjaalton> infinity: the right answer would be to allow mesa backports as is, of course :)
[05:45] <tjaalton> i'm on holiday, btw
[05:47] <tjaalton> and don't know what (meta) pgk should depend on the wayland bits.. but if you did it manually last time then do so again, and leave a bug for the next time
[05:47] <tjaalton> ?
[05:55] <infinity> tjaalton: It wasn't the backport that introduced the issue, it's "broken" the same way in vivid and wily. :P
[05:56] <infinity> tjaalton: It's just accidentally working in V and W because libgtk and libsdl happen to depend on libwayland-egl, so it's pretty hard to not have it installed.
[05:56] <infinity> tjaalton: But yeah, I can work around it in livecd-rootfs for now.  But it's still a bug. :P
[05:59] <infinity> tjaalton: As for what package should depend on it, it should be whatever is dlopen()ing it unconditionally.  Which is probably libegl-mesa.
[05:59] <infinity> tjaalton: If that behaviour isn't intentional, that should be fixed, IMO.
[06:16] <jamespage> infinity, thankyou
[06:30] <tjaalton> infinity: right, i'll check it out when i get back. assign the bug to me so i don't forget
[06:35] <infinity> tjaalton: Done.
[07:28] <infinity> RAOF: You around?
[07:30] <RAOF> infinity: Yo.
[07:30] <infinity> RAOF: Too late, I got pitti to cover.
[07:30] <RAOF> How are you online both when I get up and just before I stop work?
[07:32] <infinity> RAOF: Magic.
[08:06] <tseliot> infinity: any progress on approving nvidia-graphics-drivers-352-updates and nvidia-graphics-drivers-352 in wily?
[08:10] <infinity> tseliot: I've been flat out on point release stuff, sorry.
[08:10] <tseliot> infinity: no problem
[10:55] <Laney> flexiondotorg: How's the hassling going?
[10:55] <flexiondotorg> Ubuntu MATE looking good.
[10:55] <flexiondotorg> Kubuntu looking good.
[10:55] <flexiondotorg> No feedback from Lubuntu.
[10:56] <flexiondotorg> wxl, How is the Alpha 2 testing progressing?
[11:05] <infinity> According to the tracker, they look good on !powerpc, though they've not marked ready.
[11:08] <Laney> I got happyaron to find out about Kylin
[11:08] <Laney> They've been doing hardcore through-the-night QAing
[11:10] <flexiondotorg> Laney, I've marked Ubuntu MATE as ready.
[11:11] <flexiondotorg> Laney, I'll start drafting release announcements in a little while.
[11:12] <Laney> Thanks
[11:12] <Laney> Enjoy the crushing burden of finding a suitable quote
[11:17] <flexiondotorg> Laney, quote?
[11:18] <Laney> All the best release announcements start with an appropriate quotation. :)
[11:19] <Laney> (it is optional)
[11:24] <flexiondotorg> Laney, easy ;-)
[11:24] <flexiondotorg> wxl, lordievader Can you please add your release note or link to them here please - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/Alpha2
[11:37] <infinity> Laney: Bah, I gave up that tradition ages ago, in favour of instead embedding subliminal messages in headers.
[11:39] <lordievader> I suppose http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/wily/alpha-2/ will become available once it is released?
[11:41] <cjwatson> lordievader: that's how it works, yeah
[11:41] <lordievader> flexiondotorg: Updated :)
[11:41] <flexiondotorg> lordievader, Thanks.
[11:44] <infinity> lordievader: Are the kubuntu images ready, BTW?  I can mark for you, since I happen to be on the page...
[11:45] <lordievader> infinity: Yes, mark them ready :)
[11:46] <Laney> infinity: Cue many man hours wasted by Ubuntu watchers poring over your emails
[11:46] <infinity> lordievader: ^
[11:46] <lordievader> \o/
[11:46] <lordievader> infinity: Thank you :D
[11:47] <infinity> Well, now, there's a package name.
[11:48] <lordievader> I wonder what it does...
[11:48] <infinity>  thefuck    - spelling corrector of console commands
[11:48] <Laney> rcj: Cloud image verification on track?
[11:49] <infinity> https://github.com/nvbn/thefuck
[11:49] <lordievader> Hihi, interesting.
[11:51]  * infinity accepts that with vigor.
[11:58] <infinity> Laney: Lemme know when your soft lock on the archive is up, so I can let the kernel migrate.
[11:59] <xnox> infinity: .. at least that package is not written in nodejs....
[11:59] <infinity> xnox: No, but all bets are off when your README contains a gif.
[11:59] <infinity> xnox: And a gif of terminator, no less.
[12:01] <xnox> infinity: enough of internets for today....
[12:01]  * xnox hobbles downstrairs on crutches to get pain killers
[12:02] <Laney> infinity: 'kay - hoping the remaining flavours wake up soon
[12:08] <flexiondotorg> lordievader, Are you ready to mark Kubuntu images as ready?
[12:09] <infinity> flexiondotorg: Already done.
[12:09] <flexiondotorg> infinity, Thanks.
[12:10] <lordievader> flexiondotorg: ;)
[12:10]  * flexiondotorg was looking at Kylin.
[12:49] <rcj> Laney, cloud images are ready
[12:50] <Laney> rcj: great
[12:50] <Laney> flexiondotorg: ^ fyi - they don't use the tracker
[12:51] <rcj> Laney, correct
[12:51] <flexiondotorg> rcj, Great.
[12:51] <flexiondotorg> Laney, yup I got that :-)
[12:51] <Laney> getting there
[12:52] <flexiondotorg> Working on release announcement. Nearly done.
[12:56] <Laney> w00t
[13:04] <rcj> Laney, flexiondotorg: Do you have an outlook for the release?  I need to grab some breakfast.
[13:05] <flexiondotorg> rcj, Do you mean timing?
[13:05] <rcj> flexiondotorg, yeah
[13:05] <flexiondotorg> Well, 16:00 was the plan.
[13:06] <flexiondotorg> rcj, Just Lubuntu to go.
[13:06] <flexiondotorg> wxl, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[13:06] <Laney> I'm going to get lunch in a minute so at least 1 hour
[13:07] <rcj> flexiondotorg, Laney: thx
[13:07] <flexiondotorg> Laney, OK. I've just eaten.
[13:07] <flexiondotorg> But someone put a beer in my hand.
[13:07] <Laney> The horror
[13:07] <infinity> flexiondotorg: If lubuntu doesn't show up on time, I'd make an executive decision based on their tests to releast amd64+i386 and skip powerpc.
[13:07] <infinity> flexiondotorg: If I were you, anyway.
[13:07] <flexiondotorg> infinity, Thanks for the pro tip :-)
[13:09] <infinity> Aaaand, hopefully that's the last time I touch livecd-rootfs for another 6 months.
[13:09] <cjwatson> bluff
[15:08] <flexiondotorg> Laney, I've tried chasing Lubuntu in various channels. No feedback as yet.
[15:08] <Laney> flexiondotorg: Give them until 5pm then execute the plan
[15:09] <flexiondotorg> Laney, OK.
[15:09] <flexiondotorg> Laney, you're actually releasing the images right?
[15:09] <Laney> Oui
[15:09] <flexiondotorg> Laney, perfect.
[15:09]  * flexiondotorg goes to get a Whiskey.
[15:50] <flexiondotorg> wxl Are the Lubuntu Alpha 2 images good to go? What about the PowerPC images? Do you want to include those?
[15:51] <Laney> I don't think we're going to respin anything now
[15:51] <Laney> infinity: go get all kernelly
[15:52] <infinity> Mmmm, kernelly.
[15:53]  * Laney gets all e-d-sy
[15:53]  * Laney screams and goes to redirect the old ci-train dashboard to the new one
[15:54] <jderose> infinity: do you plan to respin the 14.04.3 daily iso today with your totem/libwayland-egl-whatever fix?
[15:54] <flexiondotorg> Laney, I got word from Lubuntu.
[15:54] <Laney> secret word
[15:55] <Laney> was it good word?
[15:55] <Laney> or bad word? bird?
[15:56] <doko> slangasek, infinity, Laney: can we turn on the approve queue for wily tomorrow morning, while preparing for the GCC ppa copy to the archive?
[15:56] <flexiondotorg> Laney. Lubuntu do not want the PowerPC images releasing. The i386 and amd64 are good to go.
[15:56] <flexiondotorg> Laney, I can't mark the Lubuntu images ready in the tracker.
[15:57] <Laney> flexiondotorg: No worries, I can. Thanks!
[15:57] <flexiondotorg> Laney, Those that can (from Lubuntu) are not available.
[15:58] <slangasek> doko: by this, you mean freezing the archive?
[15:58] <doko> slangasek, yes
[15:59] <doko> I mean, manually accepting unaffected packages is fine
[15:59] <slangasek> doko: can you clarify why you want this?  is it because you're worried about packages in this list having other uploads during the window?
[15:59] <slangasek> an archive freeze is extra work for the release team, so would like to understand why it's needed
[16:00] <doko> slangasek, I want to avoid having debian packages synced merged with 5 as the default before we make 5 the default
[16:00] <doko> because then, we have to redo these transitions
[16:01] <slangasek> doko: so gcc 5 will be made the default in Debian before it's made the default in Ubuntu?
[16:01] <slangasek> I thought this ppa was going to be published tomorrow
[16:01] <doko> yes, need the buildds to catch up rebuilding the qt5 stack
[16:02] <slangasek> doko: I don't understand; you mean you're waiting to publish gcc5 to Ubuntu until the qt5 stack is rebuilt?
[16:04] <doko> slangasek, yes, rebuild what is in silo16 in silo39, so we depend on the renamed libraries
[16:06]  * flexiondotorg awaits further instruction from Laney
[16:06] <Laney> flexiondotorg: I'm going to start publishing in 2 minutes
[16:06] <infinity> doko: If you're just worried about autosyncs, we can disable the cronjob.
[16:06] <flexiondotorg> Laney, What does that mean exactly?
[16:07] <Laney> Making the ISOs exist in their final locations
[16:07] <flexiondotorg> Right OK.
[16:07] <Laney> Generating torrents, etc
[16:07] <infinity> doko: But if you want the release team to approve every upload, it's vaguely non-trivial for us to know what an "affected" package is.
[16:07] <flexiondotorg> OK, and when that is done you'll poke me to send the email?
[16:07] <doko> infinity, ok with the autosyncs then
[16:08] <infinity> doko: Sure.  Disabling autosyncs can be easily done.  Just let us know when.
[16:10] <Laney> flexiondotorg: Yup
[16:14] <slangasek> doko: ok, so the library package renames from seb128 are still in flight, and you're wanting to wait for these to finish before landing any of it to -proposed?  couldn't we publish silo16 immediately, follow through on the renames in silo39, and publish silo39 immediately to -proposed once it's also done?
[16:15] <slangasek> doko: the only negative impact I see is that partial upgrades will be broken in the meantime inside -proposed, and we don't care about that
[16:15] <Laney> rcj: Go for cloud image publishing when you're ready
[16:15] <Laney> rcj: Syncing the rest out over the next hour-ish
[16:15] <rcj> Laney, excellent
[16:16] <doko> slangasek, I copied sources without binaries from 16 to 39, so these are different, and then will fail to copy from silo39
[16:17] <doko> so maybe copy 39 first, and then 16, and you'll see the rejects what was already copied from 39
[16:17] <slangasek> hmm
[16:17] <slangasek> doko: so are all the packages copied to 39 that need to be?
[16:17] <doko> slangasek, no, not yet. working on it ...
[16:18] <doko> I hoped that the lib renames would be done today, but they are not yet
[16:18] <slangasek> ok
[16:18] <slangasek> seb128: how are you coming with the lib renames?
[16:19] <doko> slangasek, http://pad.ubuntu.com/gcc-5-transition
[16:21] <Laney> has nusakan been upgraded or something?
[16:22] <Laney> ISTR checksumming taking ages before
[16:22] <slangasek> Laney: certainly not
[16:22] <slangasek> nusakan is unupgradeable
[16:22] <slangasek> doko: what are you meaning to show me with that pad?
[16:22] <Laney> It is already peak machine
[16:23] <doko> slangasek, what is pending
[16:23] <slangasek> Laney: no, it's in a maintenance dead-end until we migrate services to juju
[16:23] <slangasek> doko: which part of that tells me what's pending?
[16:25] <doko> cwidget - FTBFS: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=792681
[16:25] <doko> google-perftools - FTBFS with gcc 5 (test failures)
[16:25] <doko> libept - pitti; current version FTBFS in wily (Debian #788770), synced 1.0.13
[16:25] <doko> qca2
[16:25] <doko> snappy - check with the snappy team/mvo?
[16:25] <doko> tagcoll2 - doko
[16:25] <doko> zeitgeist
[16:25] <doko> I'm working on tagcoll2
[16:35] <slangasek> doko: and all the libraries *not* on that list, which are included in silo 16, have been transitioned in silo 39?
[16:39] <Laney> flexiondotorg: Image should start appearing on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com momentarily
[16:39] <doko> slangasek, no, still rebuilding
[16:40] <Laney> flexiondotorg: Takes a short while from here for the torrents to start working
[16:40] <flexiondotorg> Laney, Is that a go for send the email?
[16:40] <Laney> Probably wait until they're all available
[16:40] <flexiondotorg> OK
[16:41] <Laney> I probably wouldn't wait for all torrents to start working - usually just check one to see if the seed box is still alive
[16:41] <Laney> but all HTTP downloads, sure
[16:41] <cjwatson> Laney: checksumming> I improved the code a while back
[16:41] <cjwatson> it does a better job of reusing the checksums that are already there nowadays
[16:41] <slangasek> doko: "still rebuilding", but uploaded, yes?  that's the thing I'm asking
[16:42] <Laney> cjwatson: Ah right - much appreciated
[16:42] <cjwatson> Laney: the relevant change was probably the python rewrite, since it was bloody hard to get the logic right in shell :)
[16:42] <cjwatson> er, yw
[16:42] <cjwatson> ye
[16:42] <slangasek> doko: I only show three packages currently building in silo 39
[16:42] <doko> slangasek, can't yet copy. waiting on the armhf build. the packages don't have versioned b-d's
[16:43] <slangasek> doko: can't copy what?
[16:43] <slangasek> I'm just asking the status of the library package renames
[16:43] <doko> can you call me? I don't understand you ...
[16:44] <cjwatson> slangasek: reading the tea-leaves, qtbase-opensource-src is still building in silo 39 on armhf and so things on top of that in the stack can't start to build yet
[16:44] <cjwatson> I think that is what doko means, apologies if I'm wrong
[16:44] <slangasek> doko: have the source packages, that need renamed, all been uploaded to the silo?
[16:47] <doko> slangasek, yes, but still left: libept, cwidget ("only" aptitude needs it), google-perftools, libept (currently doing it myself), qca2, snappy, zeitgeist
[16:48] <cjwatson> doko: snappy> not the snappy team/mvo, since it's not that snappy
[16:48] <doko> yes, I know, but we needed it
[16:49] <slangasek> doko: thanks, that's what I wanted to confirm
[16:50] <cjwatson> sure, just saying that arbitrarily giving it to the snappy team is not exactly fair
[16:52] <doko> that was pitti's mistake in the etherpad, but I made the same when I asked mvo to work on it ;)
[16:53] <flexiondotorg> Laney, no sign of Ubuntu Kylin or Ubuntu MATE on cdimage yet.
[16:53] <Laney> still rsyncing
[16:53] <flexiondotorg> k
[17:00] <Laney> flexiondotorg: good now?
[17:00] <flexiondotorg> Yep :-)
[17:02] <Laney> 'k, my work here is done
[17:02]  * Laney puts cron back on
[17:02] <flexiondotorg> Laney, so I ping them email?
[17:02] <Laney> If you're happy, I'm happy
[17:04] <ogra_> uh, oh
[17:04] <ogra_> who removed the comment in front of the vivid snappy image build line in nusakans crontab ?
[17:05] <flexiondotorg> Laney, email sent but awaiting moderation :-(
[17:05] <cjwatson> flexiondotorg: *clickety* no it's not
[17:05] <flexiondotorg> cjwatson, Thanks.
[17:07] <ogra_> (we definitely dont want daily vivid builds for snappy, that has been commented since vivid release day i think)
[17:07] <Laney> flexiondotorg: Want to do the honours with the topic in here? :-)
[17:07] <Laney> ogra_: You going to put it back...?
[17:08] <ogra_> Laney, well, we seem to have a new process, i need a cdimage tree on this machine first ...
[17:08] <Laney> so it should be uncommented?
[17:08] <ogra_> i would appreciate if someone with am already set up tree could revert it
[17:08] <ogra_> no, it shoudl be commented
[17:08] <ogra_> we only want manual builds for vivid
[17:09] <flexiondotorg> Laney, If you can give me super powers for a moment, sure.
[17:09] <ogra_> (but want to have the line there as reference)
[17:09] <Laney> flexiondotorg: You can do it, we're not +t in here
[17:09] <flexiondotorg> OK
[17:13] <flexiondotorg> Laney thanks for your help today.
[17:13] <Laney> flexiondotorg: thank *you*
[17:14]  * ogra_ hugs Laney
[17:14] <ogra_> thanks !!
[17:14] <flexiondotorg> lamont, yw
[17:14] <flexiondotorg> Laney, yw
[17:17] <bdmurray> infinity: could you fully phase the iproute2 SRU for trusty?
[17:17] <infinity> bdmurray: Sure.
[17:17] <infinity> bdmurray: Done.
[17:18] <pleia2> I'm wondering if it's time to close down http://release-blog.ubuntu.com/ ?
[17:19] <pleia2> since it went to the planet, I didn't used to replicate the fridge.ubuntu.com posts to the planet, but it's not being updated anymore so I've started replicating again
[17:19] <slangasek> doko: snappy, surely this is a bug that this is in the seed at all
[17:19] <slangasek> none of the revdeps are anything that should be in the seed
[17:19] <pleia2> still, I check every release to see if release-blog has been updated just in case, and I'd rather not do that anymore :)
[17:20] <bdmurray> infinity: thanks
[17:20] <doko> slangasek, already built
[17:20] <doko> argh, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/213120954/buildlog_ubuntu-wily-amd64.qtbase-opensource-src_5.4.2%2Bdfsg-2ubuntu2.1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[17:20] <infinity> pleia2: Yeah, it's fairly dead.
[17:21] <slangasek> pleia2: it's still documented as part of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MilestoneProcess, so I wonder why that's being missed
[17:21] <infinity> slangasek: It's been intentionally missed for years, but no one pulled it from the process page, I guess.
[17:21] <slangasek> infinity: errm
[17:22] <slangasek> I don't mind if the blog is dropped; I do mind if the checklist is ignored and no one bothers to update it :)
[17:25] <slangasek> interesting, there's a thing called leveldb which is used by thumbnailer-service and depends on the other snappy
[17:25] <slangasek> what are the odds
[17:25] <slangasek> ok no bug here
[17:27] <infinity> slangasek: I see no mention of it on *Process pages, I don't know what you're talking about.
[17:28] <infinity> And I'm going to go "nap".
[17:30] <infinity> flexiondotorg: I've always found that Tesla quote hilariously ironic.
[17:30] <flexiondotorg> infinity, :-)
[17:30] <infinity> No thrill that can go through the human heart?  Really dude?  Not even, I dunno, 240 volts?
[17:40] <flexiondotorg> infinity, It was the Tesla quote or,
[17:40] <flexiondotorg> "I am Groot" - Groot
[17:45] <doko> Laney, thanks for paying attention what is in silo16 ... now merging my evolution-data-server changes
[17:50] <Laney> hey doko, don't be angry, I'm going to do it
[17:50] <Laney> (you can if you want though)
[17:50] <doko> Laney, already done
[17:54] <seb128> slangasek, http://pad.ubuntu.com/gcc-5-transition has the renames remaining
[18:04] <slangasek> check
[18:22] <doko> Laney, see https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-016/+sourcepub/5267586/+listing-archive-extra
[18:22] <doko> please don't update -proposed until we copy these ... and maybe another soname bump is needed
[18:26] <Laney> doko: I'm hoping e-d-s migrates tonight... don't want to be entangled with gcc really
[18:30] <doko> the hope with you may be
[18:42] <bdmurray> arges, infinity, slangasek: Has an SRU team member talked to ubuntu kylin about their software-center SRU?
[18:43] <slangasek> I have not
[18:43] <slangasek> doko: do you have an estimate of how long it will take to get the rest of silo 39 built?
[18:44] <slangasek> doko: trying to schedule the image testing with jibel, so that we can get this stack validated and moved on from -proposed as quickly as possible
[18:44] <slangasek> and of course there's no sense in scheduling this for a time when we won't yet be able to build images
[18:46] <doko> slangasek, building images means that all package have to be installable, which I suppose won't yet be possible
[18:51] <doko> that was not the plan. and if you want to do that, then freeze the archive. the noise costs more and more time
[18:52] <arges> bdmurray: i haven't
[19:16] <robru> infinity: can you NEW review this packaging please? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-api-team/persistent-cache-cpp/devel/files
[19:26] <slangasek> doko: those packages have to be installable at some point, in order for them to migrate to wily; my question was if you can estimate how long it will take to get them built, I guess the answer is no?
[19:28] <doko> slangasek, I'm currently working up the qt5 stack. Mirv told me some rough order, so lets see how far this goes. In parallel I'll rebuild the phone stack. so maybe I can give you an answer in 3-4h
[19:28] <slangasek> ok
[20:21] <bdmurray> infinity: did you see my ping about ubuntu-archive-scripts and utopic? https://code.launchpad.net/~brian-murray/+junk/ubuntu-archive-scripts


[16:35] <fastputty> hi guys, i got a question for cloud technology in general, someone may could able to asnwer my question, since i am really new in this.
[16:35] <fastputty> can we simulate a 20ghz single core with cloud?
[16:42] <orangeacme> sure, but not in realtime
[16:45] <smoser> RoAkSoAx, ping
[16:45] <smoser> i'm getting "ubuntu-orchestra-client" package not available in an automated cobbler install
[16:45] <smoser> ah..
[16:45] <smoser> shoot
[16:45] <smoser> maybe we need a transition package
[16:45] <smoser> this is cobbler from oneiric
[16:46] <smoser> oneiric cobbler driving  installing precise
[17:01] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: uhmmmm in precise there *is* ubuntu-orchestra-client
[17:02] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: i have changed the snippet that handles that in precise but should work as expected, unless probably if you are deploying juju
[17:03] <RoAkSoAx> uhmmmm
[17:06] <smoser> RoAkSoAx, sorry.
[17:06] <smoser> it was a miss-diagnosis
[17:06] <smoser> the issue i think was with squid
[17:06] <smoser> i had hah sum mismatch
[17:06] <smoser> i'm not sure what caused it, but that is another issue
[17:06] <smoser> i was installing 2 systems at same time and somehow got bad apt content
[17:07] <smoser> squid is not supposed to be caching any of the packaging info so that shouldn't have happened
[17:10] <smoser> RoAkSoAx, so thats a bug, but again, i'm on oneiric for that squid
[17:12] <smoser> RoAkSoAx, but debuggin gthat led me to your change in /var/lib/cobbler/snippets/orchestra_client_package
[17:13] <smoser> i think we should try to use a variable to denote "juju" or "orchestra" rather than checking the path to the kickstart file
[17:32] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: yeah I think the same I just haven figure out yet what type mof variable is best for that matter
[17:32] <smoser> ok
[17:32] <smoser> and for the record, i installed both systems successfully
[17:32] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: and the problem you hit in the cache is a problem that i was hitting all the time but kirkland's improvements to the squid file were supposed to fix those issues
[17:34] <RoAkSoAx> and it was greatly improved
[17:39] <MattJ> Is there a way to access the unpacked files of a mime-packed cloud-init userdata file?
[17:42] <MattJ> Hmm, I was assuming they were all unpacked before use, I think that assumption is wrong
[18:05] <smoser> RoAkSoAx, i'm using squid config from orchestra of oneiric
[18:05] <smoser> so i dont think so
[18:05] <smoser> err.. from precise i think
[18:05] <smoser> but i can check.
[18:05] <smoser> (i know, i'm being confusing, sorry)
[18:16] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: hehe no worries


[00:07] <designbybeck> that will work for my needs Thank you RikMills
 @Terminator_99, I just wait for their September alpha
[00:43] <tpole> hello
 @Terminator_99, I'm still happy with Trinity and XFCE with waiting for the public alpha of Neon Focal
[02:41] <Roey> hello
[02:41] <Roey> psst
[02:41] <Roey> hey
[02:41] <Roey> what do the Kubuntu folks feel about Snap?  I just read that Mint did away with it for their distro: https://www.linuxtoday.com/storage/linux-mint-votes-no-on-snap-packages-apt-to-block-snapd-installs.html
 Hey
 @hd_scania, 👌
[04:33] <linuxnuub> Question guys, can I chown an entire external hard drive from root to myself without any big bad screwups?
 @linuxnuub, For FAT partitions NO … For Linux-native partitions YES
[04:35] <linuxnuub> It's an ext4 that I use to download stuff to via radarr and sonarr.
[04:36] <linuxnuub> So I'm safe? Cool. It's got a lot of stuff on there that I don't wanna lose on accident, but some things are on there as root and I don't know why, so I figured I'd just chown them back to myself again.
 `sudo chown -``RR`` $YOURNAME:0 /dev/sdb1 … sudo chmod -RR 0775 /dev/sdb1`
 @linuxnuub, `sudo ``e2fsck`` -ffyy /dev/sdb1 … sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /media/$YOURNAME/new_external`
[04:39] <linuxnuub> what does the "e2fsck" -ffyy do?
 @linuxnuub, Forcely filesystem checking and cleaning … e2 is that your parition is ext4/3/2
[04:46] <linuxnuub> in my dev file I on'y see sda and sda1, is it supposed to be sdb?
[04:49] <linuxnuub> nvm, answered my own self running lsssci, it's sda.
 @linuxnuub, External `sda`? Are you at live CD? … Anyway on locally installed systems `sda` is always your FIRST internal SSD
 Or ... Your first internal SDD has NOTHING? And to install Kubuntu as your first distro?
[04:56] <linuxnuub> no, I'm on kubuntu on the bare metal, no live CD.
[04:57] <linuxnuub> I ran lsscsi, which gave this
 Bare metal? Celeron? Pentium? Atom? AMD entrance cores
[04:57] <linuxnuub> [3:0:0:0]    disk    TOSHIBA  External USB 3.0 5438  /dev/sda
[04:57] <linuxnuub> [N:0:4:1]    disk    Samsung SSD 970 EVO Plus 250GB__1          /dev/nvme0n1
 NVMe SSD internally?
[04:59] <linuxnuub> Yes, it's internal. and to answer your other question, I've got an intel quad core, i3-8109U and 8 gigs of ram.
 I'm i3 too, but ... … Samsung SATA SSD "QVO" 931G in /dev/sda … And 15.6G RAM's
 Have you enabled UEFI?
[05:01] <linuxnuub> It's a system76 meerkat, it came with POP OS but I've distrohopped around and settled on kubuntu.
[05:03] <linuxnuub> running less on the drive says I own it... even though some stuff says its owned by root and not me..
 @linuxnuub, So yes you HAVE BEEN safe, unless the USB drive is an Seagate mechanical
[05:03] <linuxnuub> Nah toshiba, and thats been ext4 for who knows how long at this point.
[05:04] <linuxnuub> Would it matter if I was using that with manjaro a while back, wiped it, and now I'm using it with kubuntu?
 Assign yourself to the ONLY sudoer … Then run, … `sudo e2fsck -ffyy /dev/sda1 … sudo mount /dev/sda1 /opt/toshiba_usb … sudo chown -RR $LINUXNUUB:0 /opt/``toshiba``_usb`
 You MUST be an sudoer yourself to own sth instead of root
 Hope this helps to master your nerdy life
 😊
 💪🏻😊🤝
[05:12] <linuxnuub> I should be a sudoer, as I've been using the terminal all day.
[05:12] <linuxnuub> AFAIK there isn't a root user enabled, as I can't SU into the terminal and not type sudo all the time.
[05:14] <linuxnuub> Don't remember setting up any root password.
[05:26] <linuxnuub> the "issue" is still there, but, the files are showing up in radarr and thats all that I'm caring about at this point. Thank you very much for your help!
 @linuxnuub, `sudo bash` … OR … `sudo su` … As for launching the root shell but NOT enabling the root user … AND … `sudo passwd -ddeell root` … As for shutting off the root login … BEFORE this you MUST change YOUR password as of an sudoer
 @linuxnuub, 👍🏻👍🏻
[06:29] <valorie> !info lector
[06:30] <valorie> it might be available as a snap or something
[06:30] <valorie> you can search Discover for it
[06:30] <valorie> @Cracking up... ^
[06:38] <gloria__> .l.l
[06:38] <gloria__> hiiiiiiii
[07:02] <lordievader> Good morning
 It's somewhy no sound on Kubuntu-Trinity Focal … Now getting all the minimall needed Trinity packages upgraded and reinstalled
 @hd_scania, There is no such thing as trinity focal, and we do not support 3rd party repos. As said in the Neon chat, please do not take support chats off topic
[08:27] <lordievader> Trinity, haven't heard that name in a long time.
 I guess use the instructions on the github page
[11:30] <gloria> ciao
[11:32] <lordievader> 👋
[12:06] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[12:25] <daum> I recently got a new machine and installed kubuntu 20 on it, everything is working except getting my monitors to go to sleep.  It seems like it tries to start to put them to sleep but wakes itself back up then never turns off.  I do notice when it's suppose to turn them off,all the windows on my secondary display get moved to my primary display but then nothing happens.  I did test with xset dpms 10 20 to just verify they will turn off
[12:25] <daum> properly and they do.  any ideas what could be occurring?
[15:45] <home_> hi. Fresh install of Kubuntu 20.04
[15:45] <home_> Why does my computer not turn back on after I suspended it?
[15:46] <home_> I check my CPU power indicator and it seems like everytime I press sleep, it does something else entirely
[15:47] <home_> It's like shutdown but worse.  Then I cut off power completely, then press powering on the system makes everything normal again..
[15:49] <home_> I used almost all Ubuntu variants, Manjaro, Arch.. This never happened! Kubuntu us unable to sleep!
[15:49] <home_> Hello? Please help!
[15:50] <home_> mods here please reply
[15:51] <home_> I am dual booting with Windows 10 and there is no problem with sleep on that.. So it's definitely not a hardware problem
[15:51] <diogenes_> home_, linux iinux inherently had problems with sleep/resume so don't be surprised.
[15:52] <home_> What? I have been using linux for over 3 years now. As I said, I have KDE on ARch too. Never had any problem with sleep. Why the hell would sleep completely turn my PC off?!
[15:54] <diogenes_> what kernel in arch comparing to Kubuntu?
[15:54] <home_> It's a 11 year old Desktop system. nothing new that Linux might have compatibilty probelms with..
[15:54] <home_> I was on Kernel 5.6
[15:55] <home_> With I got fed up with daily updates hence switched to Kubuntu
[15:55] <diogenes_> try cli sleep and see if it works that way.
[15:55] <home_> you mean systemctl sleep?
[15:55] <diogenes_> yes
[15:55] <home_> Did that too. Same results
[15:56] <home_> Should I install a new kernel supported by ubuntu? I think they have 5.6 in officail repo
[15:56] <diogenes_> you can try a newer kernel.
[15:57] <home_> Okay sure. I'll do that tomorrow morning and report back here. If that doesn't work, should I post on kubuntu forums?
[15:58] <diogenes_> yes you can always report.
[16:00] <home_> Okay great. I have one more question.. I tried to install KDE from ubuntu mini iso.. I got into the desktop with 'kde-plasma-desktop'.. Then added LO, GIMP, FF etc.. That system, I can bet felt significantly snappier than the Kubuntu I just installed from the release ISO. What could be the reason? In case you are wondering why I got the iso with that already installed, the sleep probelm was the reason.. I thought maybe this would work..
[16:01] <home_> Booting up was around 25 secs.. I had installed plymount, kde customized grub too..
[16:02] <home_> On this install, it's around way more than a minute
[16:02] <home_> I have turned baloo and kde wallet off
[16:02] <Frogger-> Hi folks.  I have a question about Livepatch.  I have it installed on 3 machines already.  I wish to do a fresh install of 20.04 on one of them.  Do I have to de-register Livepatch on the initial system first or what do I have to do to get it running again on the the new install?
[16:02] <diogenes_> home_, systemd-analyze blame
[16:05] <home_> @digogenes https://textbin.net/ZztFCxP2BG
[16:06] <home_> udisks2.service  , networkd-dispatcher.service      , NetworkManager-wait-online.service, accounts-daemon.service  can I safely disable all these services?
 (Photo, 613x296) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/JV4pyzTo/file_31614.jpg
[16:08] <home_> Okay I got a bright idea. I'll copy the config from my mini KDE install. Thank you for the help so far.
[16:09] <diogenes_> you're welcome
 ```git clone git@github.com:BasioMeusPuga/Lector.git```
 that downloads the code to a folder called Lector
 No support request. Just sending Kubuntu love to the team. Since I installed Kubuntu on my laptop, no going back. I feel like KDE is the premium DE and Kubuntu made everything easy for users.
[19:53] <valorie>  thanks, @nash_g5
 @nash_g5, Wholeheartedly agree. Both the KDE and Kubuntu teams deserve a huge 'thank you" from all of us.
[20:34] <GSMarquis> Long time gnome Ubuntu user. This is my first Kubuntu install 20.04.....I am impressed. Much snappier than gnome even the release in Ubuntu 20.04.
[20:58] <GSMarquis> So is there a group of config files to backup so if i do a wipe/reinstall I can just copy them over to the new install?
 The KDE and the respective apps have config files in both the ~/.config and ~/.local/share directories.  Filter for plasma in ~/.config directory and you will hit "most" of the desktop config files.
 Also, filter for "kde" in the same directory for a few more.
[21:34] <Guest_26> hello, sorry for disturbing, can I ask one question? it's about booting problem
[22:13] <GSMarquis> So I can just keep copies of those and drop them right in on a new install?


[07:19] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:53] <V7> Mornin o/
[09:27] <mgedmin> anyone have problems with docker in 19.10?  I've a container with four uwsgi processes all blocked trying to write to stderr
[09:28] <mgedmin> the containerd-shim that's supposed to be reading from the pipe isn't doing anything
[09:28] <mgedmin> (well it has a lot of threads that do various things, but they're not reading from the right pipes)
[11:26] <im0nde> Can someone help me install ubuntu server on a nvme drive? I get an error in the installation with the drive.  This is the full error https://imgur.com/a/ijNDCDM
[11:28] <weedmic> im0nde: I have not done what you want to do, but... it appears that the machine does not see the drive.  did you setup the cmos to boot the nvme drive first?  this is not possible on many older machines.
[11:30] <im0nde> weedmic: The thing is, I can partition it in the installer. So it seems to be there?
[11:30] <im0nde> Also the machine is very new and came with a linux distro prenstalled
[11:30] <im0nde> I deleted it though, because I wanted a server OS
[11:31] <weedmic> yes, it is there - but if it is not a bootable drive, then you need to setup the install differently and put the bootloader on a disc that can be read, then access the nvme one.  but... u sh'd check the cmos, it might be an option to boot to that drive
[11:32] <weedmic> just one click/boot away...
[11:32] <badv991> Im0nde: I can't really see the text in the pic you posted, but you might want to try the "alternative installer"
[11:34] <im0nde> weedmic: Sorry, I don't fully understand what to select in the bios. I have pressed f12 to boot from the drive, isn't that correct?
[11:34] <im0nde> also there was a linux distro installed (which worked) in exactly that hardware configuratioooooooooooooooooo
[11:34] <im0nde> *configuration
[11:35] <im0nde> badv991: I have only the option of "safe graphics"
[11:35] <mgedmin> weedmic: that looks like a bug in the installer to me
[11:35] <badv991> Yeah then definitely try alternative installer since it's basically Debian
[11:35] <im0nde> mgedmin: Yeah to me too
[11:35] <mgedmin> weedmic: report it
[11:35] <mgedmin> and try an alternative installer
[11:35] <badv991> Yes it's a different ISO you need to download that uses Debian curses installer
[11:35] <im0nde> mgedmin: badv991 Where do I select the alternate installer?
[11:36] <im0nde> ah ok
[11:36] <weedmic> i think u need to go into the cmos, setup the boot order so that the nvme drive is 1st likely, this might be a good way to tell, if your "boot order" setup does not contain the nvme drive/slot - then it is not an option.
[11:36] <im0nde> sorry, thougth that was an option
[11:37] <mgedmin> I think http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/releases/18.04/release/ is the debian-installer based image
[11:37] <mgedmin> the subiquity one is called *-live-server-*.iso
[11:37] <mgedmin> debian-installer is called *-server-*.iso
[11:37] <mgedmin> they're split between cdimages.ubuntu.com and releases.ubuntu.com using some moon logic I don't follow
[11:38] <mgedmin> (an neither links to the other one afaics)
[11:38] <im0nde> :D
[11:38] <im0nde> ok, I'll download an alternate server install then, brb
[12:26] <tomreyn> im0nde: could you please report a bug on this, it doesn't seem like there is a bug report for it, yet (from what i can find)
[12:27] <tomreyn> !bug
[12:27] <tomreyn> you can do so from a different tty:
[12:27] <im0nde> tomreyn: I will. Just updated the bios to see if that makes a difference
[12:27] <tomreyn> ok
[12:28] <im0nde> tomreyn: yes?
[12:28] <tomreyn> !tty
[12:28] <tomreyn> i assume you know so much ;)
[12:28] <tomreyn> and this is more targetted at desktops
[12:28] <im0nde> tomreyn: yes, i know. Thing is, i can't copy paste
[12:29] <tomreyn> you can pipe output into   | nc termbin.com 9999
[12:29] <im0nde> I'll try my best. At least I have a photo and can provide the hardware
[12:29] <im0nde> Oh nice
[12:29] <im0nde> didn't know that one
[12:29] <im0nde> I'm trying out the alternate installer too
[12:29] <tomreyn> or you can just run    DISPLAY=:1 ubuntu-bug subiquity
[12:30] <tomreyn> this should print a URL which you can access form a desktop computer to continue your bug report (aftzer it collected and posted the relevant logs)
[12:41] <im0nde> tomreyn: mgedmin the alternate installer worked perfectly!
[12:41] <mgedmin> im0nde: have you filed a subiquity bug?
[12:41] <im0nde> Thanks for the help, I would have trying for ages
[12:41] <im0nde> mgedmin: I'm doing that right now
[12:42] <im0nde> mgedmin: here, right? https://bugs.launchpad.net/subiquity
[12:43] <mgedmin> hm, ubuntu desktop doesn't have problems installing into nvme disks -- I've just checked and my laptop has the same kind of /dev/disk/by-id/nvme-eui.XXXXXX structure
[13:29] <weedmic> how does one do "systemctl snapshot test" in ubuntu?  says "snapshot is unknown command"?
[13:31] <weedmic> actual error was - Unknown operation snapshot.
[13:38] <lordievader> (if your display hangs out there, /me might miss backlog but typically the first display hangs out at :0 )
[14:10] <RoyK> weedmic: I guess you'll need a rather new version of systemd to support that
[14:12] <weedmic> it was depricated between 2015 and now - unsure how to tell I seldom use github and was not about to make an account just to say, well I was that one bloke - there was a comment no one uses it :D
[14:15] <RoyK> ah
[14:15] <weedmic> no problems, if the files are similar each go (around), I'll have python do it for me and create some colour highlighted report with changes, then manually change them.
[14:16] <weedmic> but, it was exactly the command I wanted (already done)
[14:16] <weedmic> I mean it had a bow on it and everything
[20:47] <albech> anyone have experience with fail2ban and RBLs? I am getting thousands of brute force attempts on my mail server and fail2ban is doing a great job banning offenders after 5 tries, but eventually someone will get in and I was wondering about tightening the security with a RBL. Suggestions/comments?
[20:51] <lordcirth_> albech, If you are worried about your password being brute-forced, ban passwords and only allow keys
[20:51] <lordcirth_> Oh wait, mail, not ssh. nvrm
[20:54] <tomreyn> fail2ban usually does banning via iptables, which is not the right place to apply RBLs, those can be used by your mail server, though
[20:54] <sdeziel> albech: RBL should be used on SMTP port (TCP/25) only where no auth should be permitted as that's normally on smtps/submission/submissions (TCP/465 or TCP/587)
[20:55] <tomreyn> what you can use with iptables / at the network layer are drop lists / ipsets
[20:56] <sdeziel> albech: that said, to protect your SMTP port, I would recommend postscreen (builtin with postfix) as it has a good DNSBL/DNSWL integration among other nice features to weed off spammers
[20:57] <albech> thanks for the input guys.. highly appreciated.. ill have a look at postscreen as its already postfix im running
[20:59] <albech> that doesnt strengthen security on dovecot however. switching to keys isnt really an option unfortunately.
[21:01] <sdeziel> albech: SASL should NOT be offered on TCP/25. Removing this should already mitigate the problem to some extent
[21:05] <albech> sdeziel: it already is disabled
[21:05] <sdeziel> albech: I also noticed that requiring recent TLS versions (1.2+) on the TCP/465 and TCP/587 services prevent some dummy bots to be able to pass the StartTLS while being compatible with every legitimate users' MSA
[21:07] <sdeziel> albech: you can also try those http://www.postfix.org/TUNING_README.html#conn_limit
[21:07] <albech> sdeziel: cheers
[21:09] <tomreyn> if you want something to firewall against (and thus keep traffic out of your mail server and tcp sessions already): https://www.spamhaus.org/drop/
[21:09] <sdeziel> albech: I don't know if it applies in your case but here I'm adding IP ACLs (allow_nets) to some accounts in dovecot's password file
[21:13] <albech> sdeziel: that is one option i have thought about. i will look at postscreen and some limit thresholds first and see how it works out
[21:13] <albech> thanks again
[21:13] <sdeziel> albech: postscreen is designed to protect TCP/25 only though


[05:24] <ianorlyn> http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale/14x hmm this maybe shold be on the mailing list
[05:24] <darthrobot> Title: [SCALE 14x | 14x]