[12:02] <Zdra> :-(
[12:03] <JanC> libdvdcss has a DMCA problem
[12:03] <JanC> it's illegal in the US & with the new EUCD in Europe it will be illegal too  :-(
[12:03] <Zdra> damn
[12:04] <JanC> copyright protection circumvention blah
[12:04] <JanC> of course it's just a way to make things more expensive here in Europe
[12:05] <Zdra> that's a shame to not be able to read dvd out-of-the-box for a user-friendly distrib like ubuntu... but if it's illegal we cannot do any thing... :'(
[12:06] <JanC> maybe if it wouldn't be possible to change between DVD region codes and someone pays the license fees...
[12:07] <JanC> like Fluendo paid license fees for MP3 & MPEG2
[12:08] <Zdra> yes but for mp3 we have ogg, but for DVD we have no choice to use libdvdcss
[12:09] <JanC> well, there is ogg theora, but that's a real cpu-hog
[12:09] <Zdra> copy protection leads to one thing : downloading the divX is easier than read the legal dvd... GREAT !
[12:10] <Zdra> why I download ? because I can't bye musique on the web (IE+WMP requiered)
[12:10] <JanC> plus the DivX is available months before the cinema release here in Belgium...
[12:10] <JanC> well, you can buy some music as MP3 or Ogg Vorbis
[12:11] <JanC> or even FLAC in some cases
[12:11] <Zdra> JanC: all website i've seen reject me because I don't uses IE
[12:11] <Zdra> and even if I had windows i wouldn't use IE
[12:11] <womble> I rip all my DVDs for convenience (no need to fiddle with discs all the time), safety (no scratches on my HDD), and to avoid those butt-reamingly annoying "copyright notices" you can't skip over.
[12:12] <JanC> Zdra: http://www.belgianmusiconline.be/ works fine, but they have only a small number of Belgian artists...
[12:13] <JanC> OTOH, they have Ogg Vorbis   :)
[12:15] <JanC> and Belgian artists means mainly Flemish artists
[12:16] <JanC> because they have lots of work to convince record companies to not use WMA/iTunes DRM-stuff :-(
[12:16] <Zdra> There is a very small number of music...
[12:17] <JanC> yeah, I guessed that (ULB is French) but there is an English language site too AFAIK?
[12:18] <JanC> and Hooverphonic etc. are well-known outside Flanders I think  :)
[12:20] <Zdra> JanC: i'll take a look later... good night everybody !
[04:49] <crimsun> yep, no better time to do merges :)
[12:01] <JohnnyMast> mary chrismas every one
[12:22] <sivang> merry Xmas JohnnyMast
[12:23] <JohnnyMast> :)
[01:00] <minghua> any MOTU would review a sync please?  malone 5372
[02:11] <zakame> evening all, merry xmas :D
[02:12] <greenpenguin13> evening
[02:13] <zakame> heya ajmitch , azeem ! merry xmas!
[02:14] <Yagisan> G'day all, boxing day here now
[02:16] <zakame> w00t Yagisan
[02:17] <Yagisan> zakame: so, what did you spend christmas doing ?
[02:20] <zakame> Yagisan: well we had the usual eve dinner, then after some 4 hours of sleep, lunchtime with my grandfather who was recovering
[02:22] <Yagisan> zakame: I just had a not so quiet lunch with the wife and kids, watched the kids lose interest in their toys after a record 20 seconds, then spent the afternoon watching Iron Chef
[02:22] <zakame> Yagisan: w00 Iron Chef, haven't seen that for quite a while
[02:23] <Yagisan> zakame: Wife is now on an O/S phone call to mum & dad, so I thought I'd log in and see how many other were here
[02:23] <zakame> (no cable TV yet :(
[02:23] <Yagisan> zakame: I don't have cable either :( Actually, I have almost non-existent tv reception
[02:24] <Yagisan> zakame: Iron Chef Japan, or Iron Chef America ?
[02:24] <zakame> Yagisan: I've seen some of Japan, not yet America
[02:25] <Yagisan> zakame: You'll want to rip your eyes out after watching ICA - like most of their adaptions it wasn't well done
[02:25] <Yagisan> zakame: ICJ all the way :)
[02:25] <zakame> waah
[02:26] <zakame> w00t indeed :)
[02:28] <Yagisan> zakame: I wish I had decent tv reception, I could record an add free version of iron chef every saturday night of sbs
[02:29] <Yagisan> zakame: my tv tuner is useless at this apartment :(
[02:29] <zakame> Yagisan: I pray the Three Kings hear you :)
[02:30] <Yagisan> zakame: they have - they decided that today, I get no 7, 9, 10, ABC or SBS :(
[02:30] <zakame> waah!!!
[02:30] <Yagisan> zakame: that is every free-to-air channel unavailable instead of just one or two today
[02:31] <zakame> Yagisan: your channels signoff there just this xmas, or _every_ xmas? :(
[02:33] <Yagisan> zakame: it's just me this christmas - I'm sure everyone else is enjoying another repeat of "A chistmas carol" or one of the other endless christmas repeats that they usually put on
[02:34] <zakame> Yagisan: awww *patpat*... yeah, sometimes---no, most of the time---those xmas specials just `overdo' it :(
[02:35] <Yagisan> zakame: just TWO pats, come on man, I'm a furry animal, a yagisan, more pats man
[02:36] <Yagisan> don't forget behind the ears
[02:36] <Yagisan> and where is my carrot to snack on ;)
[02:38] <zakame> Yagisan: er I don't know what a yagisan is... yet ;)
[02:38] <Yagisan> zakame: a yagi is a goat, yagi san = mr goat
[02:39] <zakame> ooh! :D
[02:40] <zakame> LOL!
[02:42] <Yagisan> the channel feels strangely empty today
[02:58] <spacey_ki> its christmas Yagisan :)
[02:58] <zakame> hey spacey_ki :)
[02:58] <zakame> and slomo :)
[02:58] <spacey_ki> hi zakame
[02:58] <spacey_ki> merry christmas
[02:58] <spacey_ki> :)
[02:59] <spacey_ki> think i'll eat goat tonight
[02:59] <slomo> hi zakame, spacey_ki :)
[02:59] <spacey_ki> hi:)
[03:00] <Yagisan> slomo, spacey_ki: Merry Chistmas! -  Did you remember to get me something O:-)
[03:01] <spacey_ki> :p
[03:02] <zakame> hear, hear!!! same here!
[03:02] <slomo> Yagisan: well... my christmas presents were liferea 1.0 and banshee 0.10.2 ;) nothing for you? tell me your wishes :)
[03:04] <zakame> yeah, liferea!!!
[03:04] <Yagisan> slomo: I got my kids appreciation for 20 whole, that's right count em, 20 whole seconds
[03:04] <Yagisan> woo hoo
[03:04] <Yagisan> next christmas - santa can visit me instead
[03:06] <bmonty> Yagisan: have you been talking with Santa about the first thing that pops up?
[03:07] <zakame> buwahaha
[03:07] <bmonty> I told my son that he missed the deadline to get on Santa's list for this year
[03:09] <Yagisan> bmonty: It's nice when they still believe in santa
[03:09] <Yagisan> bmonty: eventually they realise it's you that buys the gifts
[03:09] <bmonty> he is barely two months old so he has no idea what is going on
[03:10] <bmonty> he just likes the lights on the tree as another thing to stare at :)
[03:10] <Yagisan> bmonty: mine are 22 months and 5 weeks
[03:10] <bmonty> damn...you gotta let her recover!
[03:11] <bmonty> :)
[03:13] <Yagisan> bmonty: yeah, not much choice now, she had a difficult delivery with the last one :(
[03:14] <Yagisan> but santa said 1) he's not a doctor, he can fix her, and 2) no female viagra
[03:14] <Yagisan> s/can/can't
[03:14] <bmonty> :)
[03:15] <Yagisan> I was devastated
[03:16] <Yagisan> here I am, stuck with an absolutely gorgeous woman, and I have to behave myself.  :D
[03:18] <Yagisan> In other news my dvd ripping cluster stopped working because suddenly after a *kernel* upgrade, I now need to enter a password for
[03:18] <Yagisan> key based ssh access.  No change in config, no change in ssh key, but now it was a password. stopped my cluster dead.
[03:20] <slomo> Yagisan: maybe it couldn't mount your home partition anymore and can't find the key? ;)
[03:20] <Yagisan> s/was/wants
[03:21] <Yagisan> slomo: /home is on / for the nodes
[03:21] <slomo> no idea then :)
[03:21] <Yagisan> this is what I get:
[03:21] <Yagisan> (amd64)jamie@doomguy:~/media/movies/sorted$ ssh <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:21] <Yagisan> Enter passphrase for key '/home/jamie/.ssh/id_rsa':
[03:22] <slomo> hm
[03:22] <Yagisan><EMAIL_ADDRESS>password:
[03:23] <Yagisan> on every system. there is no passphrase for that, and if I enter the client local password it works.
[03:23] <spacey_ki> and if you leave it empty?
[03:23] <spacey_ki> :)
[03:23] <Yagisan> spacey_ki: I get<EMAIL_ADDRESS>password:" repeated at me
[03:24] <spacey_ki> ok ;p
[03:24] <spacey_ki> shouldn't be related to kernel i think
[03:24] <Yagisan> instant breakage of dvdrip because of it
[03:24] <spacey_ki> sounds more like an sshd setting
[03:24] <spacey_ki> or something
[03:24] <spacey_ki> :)
[03:25] <Yagisan> spacey_ki: that is on package default settings
[03:25] <spacey_ki> but no clue. i'm off for family visit :)
[03:25] <spacey_ki> bb :)
[03:25] <Yagisan> spacey_ki: It should not be the kernel, but that was the last change before it broke :(
[03:28] <Yagisan> slomo: you came back to fix my problem ????
[03:29] <Yagisan> O:-)
[03:29] <slomo> Yagisan: nope :( i have to fix my own problem currently... i hate nfs...
[03:29] <Yagisan> slomo: me too. but I need it for my ltsp stuff to work
[03:30] <Yagisan> slomo: are your nfs mounts just not mounting. I had that a while ago
[03:31] <slomo> Yagisan: no... they're not responding anymore :P
[03:31] <Yagisan> brb - need to put a little girl to bed
[03:31] <zakame> gaah, nfs :(
[03:39] <bmonty> my nfs mounts take forever to mount but after that they work fine
[03:43] <Yagisan> re
[03:44] <Yagisan> the reason it's called nfs is because it Never Functions Successfully
[03:44] <zakame> haha
[03:45] <slomo> bmonty: install portmap
[03:46] <zakame> yep, portmap
[03:46] <bmonty> hmm...I thought it was...
[03:47] <Yagisan> of course we could use Sometimes May Backfire instead
[03:49] <bmonty> that was it...thanks slomo, zakame
[03:52] <zakame> wb ogra_ibook , merry xmas :D
[03:52] <ogra_ibook> zakame, same to you :)
[03:54] <Yagisan> Woo hoo fixed my ssh problem
[03:55] <Yagisan> my dvd cluster works again :-D
[03:56] <Yagisan> (for reference I blew away the authorised keys on every client, and generated new ones, which where the scp'ed to the clients)
[03:56] <Yagisan> s/the/then
[03:58] <bmonty> nah, I just want single sign on
[03:59] <Yagisan> I wanted a single sign on too, that's part of the reason my network is moving to thin clients
[03:59] <Yagisan> it's so much easier to administer *1* box
[04:00] <bmonty> the problem is that the ldap/kerberos stuff is a bitch to configure
[04:00] <bmonty> and there isn't good docs
[04:01] <Yagisan> I know :( and it's even worse if you need to integrate MS Active Directory into it
[04:02] <bmonty> I wanted it to work for my linux boxes first, and then I was going to try and get my wife's XP box in on the mix
[04:04] <Yagisan> bmonty: the last time I tried (a few years ago to get a distinction for a networking course, it was a true pain in the arse, as the crap MS ADDC needed to be the master, with MSDNS)
[04:05] <bmonty> I've never tried to mix AD and anything else, but I know if your DNS isn't set up correctly AD will refuse to work
[04:05] <Yagisan> as it a) breaks the ldap spec, b) breaks the dns spec, c) breaks the kerberos spec
[04:05] <bmonty> and the DNS breakage can be very subtle
[04:06] <bmonty> when you hold a monopoly...who needs specs?
[04:07] <Yagisan> bmonty: Personally, I'd like to see them help liable and punished effectively for their abuses, but as long as businesses have limited liablity
[04:08] <Yagisan> their will be no ethical behaviour from them
[04:08] <Yagisan> s/their/there
[04:09] <bmonty> except nobody cares, because there are only a very few people that care about integrating MS stuff with anything else
[04:10] <Yagisan> bmonty: people like me, that do phased migrations away from their systems, care. We just don't get listened to.
[04:11] <bmonty> exactly, you are costing them money so it is not in MS's best interest to solve your issues
[04:13] <Yagisan> bmonty: yep, we are voting with out feet. They cost us money, now we are leaving - it's not in our best interests to continue with products that are not suitable for the intended job
[04:25] <Yagisan> wow, timidity really uses a lot of cpu time
[05:22] <elektranox> can sb. tell me why "/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/menu-policy.html/ch2.html#s2.1" doesn't exist on my system?
[05:27] <lfittl> elektranox: do you have debian-policy installed?
[09:24] <CGA> hi all
[09:25] <CGA> i'm trying to compile E17 and its libs from CVS on my system (ubuntu breezy) but i get an error when compiling evas (a EFL library) because it needs Xorg compiled with XShm.h , what can i do about it?  why didn't you guys compile X with that header? -- i have already been in #ubuntu but didn't help much
[09:48] <raphink> hi there
[09:48] <raphink> merry xmas everyone
[10:07] <MasterC> hi :)
[10:08] <MasterC> when will the libdbus dependencies problems be fixed?
[10:09] <raphink> hi MasterC
[10:09] <MasterC> many packages (like banshee) are linked against libdbus1-1, but its not available
[10:09] <MasterC> in dapper
[10:10] <raphink> no idea
[10:11] <Burglaptop> MasterC: should be mostly solved now
[10:11] <MasterC> oh, I see
[10:11] <MasterC> banshee is fixed
[10:11] <MasterC> I tried it one hour ago, sry :)
[10:12] <MasterC> well done, thank you
[10:12] <MasterC> bye
[11:46] <nomed> hi all
[11:46] <nomed> is there a tutorial to generate packages like ubuntu-artwork ?
[11:47] <nomed> i see that ubuntu has in roadmap to support somehow metaditros ... i would try to make my own artwork package trying to follow ubuntu "standards" ..
[11:48] <nomed> mainly for training ...
[12:01] <Sepheebear> nomed: just d/l the ubuntu-artwork package and model yours off of that


[00:07] <tbin> anyone know about customizing a boot disk image to run a script at login (tty, .bashrc, /etc/bash.bashrc)?
[09:07] <FernandoMiguel> this is weird
[09:07] <FernandoMiguel> I have two mice pointers
[09:07] <FernandoMiguel> :S
[09:07] <FernandoMiguel> a white one and a black one
[09:07] <FernandoMiguel> it's driving me crazy
[09:21] <FernandoMiguel> ubuntu-ui-toolkit (0.1.46+13.10.20130712-0ubuntu1) saucy; urgency=low
[09:21] <FernandoMiguel>   [ Kaleo ]
[09:21] <FernandoMiguel>   * Removed unused artwork.
[09:21] <FernandoMiguel>   * Added experimental dark & gradient themes.
[09:21] <FernandoMiguel> found it
[09:41] <FernandoMiguel> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1200553
[10:11] <FernandoMiguel> and there goes MIR
[10:11] <FernandoMiguel> lol
[10:11] <FernandoMiguel> xserver -mir is not a valid option
[10:11] <FernandoMiguel> got to boot in safe mode and low graphics mode
[10:13] <FernandoMiguel> $ sudo ppa-purge ppa:mir-team staging
[10:13] <FernandoMiguel> let's see if this can fix it
[10:18] <FernandoMiguel> PPA purged successfully using aptitude fallback
[10:21] <FernandoMiguel> brb
[11:54] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[17:16] <johnjohn101> any word on when the daily will work with vmware player?
[17:43] <user82_> hi. are there daily images with MIR only available? Or not yet
[17:43] <holstein> user82_: there is a MIR ppa that is suggested
[17:44] <holstein> user82_: that is after the initial suggestion, which is, dont use MIR yet
[17:44] <user82_> holstein, not too good on a thumbdrive for a quick spin i guess. or does that work with persistency+reboot?
[17:44] <holstein> user82_: you can always just install to the USB stick
[17:44] <user82_> allright. then i'll wait a little more. until it is included in a daily etc
[17:44] <user82_> thanks for the info
[21:06] <johnjohn101> any word on when i can run 13.10 in vmware play 5.02?


[03:22] <xubuntu799> any reason why i get 404 not found when running software updater on 12.10?
[03:25] <xangua> !eol | xubuntu799
[03:26] <xubuntu799> That's lame :(
[05:47] <Vampi> приветики :)
[05:51] <Guest74367> Does anyone have the issue of wifi disconnecting since 14?
[05:51] <Guest74367> v14*
[05:52] <bullgard4> Vampi: привет!
[05:52] <Vampi> bullgard4: как дела? :)
[05:53] <bullgard4> Vampi: Otlicno
[05:54] <bullgard4> Guest74367: Please analyze /var/log/syslog for the cause of your trouble.
[07:19] <xubuntu59w> Hello. I am considering Xubuntu as a non-Unity alternative to Ubuntu. I've tried Lubuntu, but the (audio) volume control didn't display in the panel, and there seems to be poorly organized support forum (only within Ubuntu's forum). Would Xubuntu be better considering those things?
[07:34] <xubuntu59w> I'm looking for a Ubuntu variant that works out of the box and has a good support forum. Peppermint is the best I've found so far.
 xubuntu is the first distro I have installed in a while and I am happy with it, however in saying that all linux distros have there flaws.  If you want to try it the create a partition on your drive and install it/dual boot.
[07:43] <baizon> xubuntu59w: kubuntu?
[07:49] <xubuntu59w> baizon: I haven't tried Kubuntu yet, no. Would you recommend it?
[07:51] <xubuntu59w> What I liked about Peppermint is that they have their own support forum and every question I have asked has been answered there - by the developers. And almost all problems I had, were solved.
[07:52] <baizon> xubuntu59w: i think this is the wrong channel to ask this
[08:01] <xubuntu59w> Where should I ask, then?
[10:08] <steinerlein> I am trying to install xubuntu on a powerbook G4 using the mini.iso for 12.04. During the install I cannot get the ethernet connection to work. The Hardware seems to be discovered properly, but no IP adress is given via DHCP. On the switch the machine is plugged into I cant see any activity. How can I go about troubleshooting this?
[10:16] <deshipu> !powerpc
[10:24] <steinerlein> yeah, I used the community port: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCDownloads
[10:26] <deshipu> that factoid used to also have a pointer to the channel on which there is support :/
[10:27] <deshipu> steinerlein: from that linked page, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall#Unmanaged_Wired_Network
[10:30] <steinerlein> does it make a difference that this is for lubuntu?
[10:30] <elfy> shouldn't do
[10:32] <steinerlein> Okay, and can I do this during the install? Is an LXTerminal different than a shell?
[10:42] <deshipu> no, it's the same
[10:48] <steinerlein> unfortunately that doesn't work, I can't issue any of the commands to stop networking
[10:49] <steinerlein> it gives me a command not found on any of the commands
[11:52] <cfhowlett> double wifi indicator: how the heck did i do this?  how do I fix it?  I deleted the indicator from the panel.  xubuntu 14.04.1:  http://www.picpaste.com/doublewifi-BtgiznU7.png
[13:02]  * RedDeath Back
[13:03]  * RedDeath Back
[13:05]  * RedDeath Back
[13:10] <zhong> 人？
[13:10] <zhong> 有活人？
[13:11] <elfy> English in this channel please :)
[13:11] <zhong> oh..ok
[14:41] <xubuntu01w> I install xubuntu from a usb memory but after i use the newest version of universal usb installer the instalation menu is change to black. not like before. cud it be something wrong ?
[16:14] <Wlsonjl3> how do i make it so my screen fits on my second monitor?
[16:15] <Wlsonjl3> like, it's zoomed in or something like that
[16:17] <Wlsonjl3> how do i make my screen fit my monitor? it is zoomed in or something
[16:22] <knome> Wlsonjl3, alt+scroll down
[16:23] <Wlsonjl3> its zoomed out all the way
[16:24] <Wlsonjl3> but i can only see the centre part of the screen
[16:25] <Wlsonjl3> any other ideas Knome?
[16:29] <wllr> Is there a way to run xubuntu 14.04, very "bare-bonesy" if you will?
[16:30] <cfhowlett> wllr, meaning what?
[16:30] <wllr> ^Meaning no gui, but still want to use xfce terminal, but with a very minimalist windows manager.
[16:32] <xangua> ! Minimal
[16:34] <wllr> This implies that I have to know my Linux huh? Never really meddled with core files. Linux from Scratch comes to mind ...will I have to have that kind of aptitude?
[16:38] <wllr> ^Woops, I missed the link provided. I will read up on this minimal xubuntu cd. Thanks.
[16:39] <xubuntu26w> Hello, I am attempting to try xubuntu on an old toshiba satellite laptop. I have a live usb created on linux via dd method, but the laptop does not seem to be able to boot from usb so I would like to try CD. Can i extract the iso from the USB and burn a live CD with it ? or I have to download it again? I'd prefer not to dl it, as I am on a limited bandwith
[16:39] <xubuntu26w> thank you
[16:40] <xangua> You can burn the .iso as image xubuntu26w but don't know if xubuntu fits on a CD, you may need a DVD or try lubuntu that does fits on a CD
[16:42] <xubuntu26w> the iso within the usb
[16:42] <xubuntu26w> ¡?
[16:42] <xubuntu26w> sorry for the !
[16:45] <xubuntu26w> I can't seem to identify the iso within the usb
[17:02] <xubuntu26w> hello, does anybody know where to find the .iso file within a live usb ?
[17:02] <xubuntu26w> will it have that extension at all ?
[17:04] <xubuntu26w> is it possible at all to extract the iso from a dd'ed live usb ? thank you
[17:22] <wllr> xubuntu26w: you should be able to download xubuntu using the torrent file.
[17:34] <quint> since installing gnome-control-manager and removing it, i no longer have sound
[17:34] <quint> also the sound setting from the notification icon no longer opens pavucontrol
[17:44] <ollie_> what's the adress for the page that you can copy and paste long terminal interactions on?
[17:45] <xangua> Pastebin
[17:45] <xubuntu003> hello
[17:46] <KyleLH> hey, not sure if anyone is there right now, but I'm having this issue where my laptop doesn't recognize my ethernet port. Wifi is fine, but no ethernet. Anyone encounter this before? So strange
[17:49] <ollie_> cool, I'm installing 14.04 onto an acer aspire 5735z and up until I check myh firewall on terminal everything is going smooth, then I try and add softeware and this happens http://paste.ubuntu.com/8344511/
[17:49] <ollie_> any ideas please?
[17:52] <KyleLH> hey ollie
[17:52] <KyleLH> why are you running commands like "Shockwave Flash 13.0 r0"
[17:52] <KyleLH> you definitely can't do that
[17:54] <ollie_> http://www.binarytides.com/better-xubuntu-14-04/ I'm following this website that worked for me on another laptop with 14.04
[17:57] <xangua> ollie_: how about you tell what exact instructions/what are you trying to install
[17:57] <KyleLH_> reread the instructions lol
[17:58] <KyleLH_> it tells you go go to chrome://plugins in google chrome and click on details
[17:58] <KyleLH_> not type that into the terminal
[17:58] <KyleLH_> "Check the plugin version and files by opening the following url in google chrome  chrome://plugins Click "Details" on top right and then search for flash on the page."
[17:59] <ollie_> yeah i see where I've gone wrong there, but it still wont let me install vlc via terminal
[17:59] <xangua> How about your share the terminal output
[18:00] <KyleLH_> what is the output of `sudo apt-get install vlc`?
[18:00] <ollie_> I missed out the chrome bit and thought the flash was seperate, my mistake
[18:00] <KyleLH_> it's all good
[18:00] <KyleLH_> run that apt-get install command though
[18:00] <KyleLH_> it should work
[18:01] <ollie_> how do I do a screenshot, i have a terminal full of microsft copyright bollocks
[18:02] <bazhang> ollie_, for the fonts?
[18:03] <KyleLH> hey, sorry my internet messed up
[19:05] <glitchd> hello all
[19:06] <glitchd> trying to figure out how to disable the "are you sure you want to suspend" popup. i want my laptop to just suspend when i click the button and not ask me if im sure. help?
[19:07] <glitchd> hello?
[19:13] <glitchd> anyone alive?
[19:38] <someone235> hey, when I'm connected to HDMI, I can't see the TV in the output devices. Anyone knows how to fix it?
[19:52] <someone235> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2244214&p=13121810#post13121810
[20:33] <mikeche1en> hi, for some reason my laptop is suspending when lid closed, even when it is plugged in and i have it set to only lock screen. using xubuntu 14.04
[20:41] <mikeche1en> ah looks like this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1222021
[20:42] <brainwash> that one is fixed
[20:42] <brainwash> should be bug 1307545
[20:45] <mikeche1en> ah yeah i see
[20:47] <mikeche1en> ill try the workaround, brb
[21:05] <mikeche1en> yup that did it
[21:24] <xubuntu18w> Why can the install start up screen be different ? Sometimes it is a gray meny and then it become a black menu ?
[22:26] <irrlicht> hey
[23:43] <xubuntu87w> Is it any java incuded with xubuntu ?
[23:56] <Unit193> Shouldn't be.
[23:58] <xubuntu87w> I am using iced tea java from softwarecenter.


[19:56] <darthanubis> Can't get the 14.10 iso from the website
[19:57] <darthanubis> the links loop
[19:57] <darthanubis> click get gnome >other releases>get gnome and so forth
[19:59] <darthanubis> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/GetUbuntuGNOME
[20:00] <darthanubis> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/daily-live/current/utopic-desktop-amd64.iso
[20:00] <darthanubis> is 14.10 no longer available for download?
[20:09] <darthanubis> why does the topic say latest stable release 14.10 and not 15.04?
[20:10] <JockeTF> darthanubis: Latest stable is 15.04.
[20:10] <JockeTF> darthanubis: http://ubuntugnome.org/
[20:10] <darthanubis> Just wondering why the topic has not changed
[20:10] <darthanubis> but do you have a link to the 14.10 isos?
[20:11] <darthanubis> I can't do-release-upgrade from 14.04.2 it keeps crashing
[20:11] <JockeTF> darthanubis: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/releases/14.10/release/
[20:11] <darthanubis> SystemError: E:Malformed Description-md5 line; includes invalid character 'faf62eb70bf7b4cbe788cca7e66:d04b', E:The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
[20:12] <darthanubis> 15.04 wasn't stable for me
[20:12] <darthanubis> I was hoping to go to 14.10 and upgrade gnome to 3.14
[20:12] <JockeTF> darthanubis: I strongly recommend you get either 14.04 or 15.04.
[20:12] <JockeTF> 14.10 will not be supported for long.
[20:13] <darthanubis> I know
[20:13] <darthanubis> I figure I can use it until 15.10 comes out
[20:13] <JockeTF> Ah.


[14:11] <Uallas> Hello World!
[17:52] <f-jack> 9 mins til the meeting starts guys
[17:53] <collin> Good to see I did my gmt calculations right
[17:53] <f-jack> haha
[17:55] <f-jack> Call it whatever ya want but I'm on my windows box but I hate it
[17:56] <f-jack> So the NSA is probably reading this
[17:56] <roasted> NSA prob reads everything regardless of choice of OS
[17:57] <JoaoSantana> hi all
[17:57] <f-jack> eh sudo apt-get install freedom and hi
[17:57] <roasted> only way to be safe from NSA is to disconnect from the internet
[17:57] <roasted> but if you do that computers are far less enjoyable
[17:57] <f-jack> yes yes they are
[17:58] <roasted> I need my facebook omgomgomgomgmog
[17:58] <roasted> lolwut
[17:58] <f-jack> I need my launchpad hahaa
[17:58] <collin> You could set up an encrypted local messaging system
[17:58] <collin> using I2p you could even tunnel it around the internet
[17:59] <f-jack> Sounds like a lot of work Lol of course the pizza is ready now with two minutes to go
[17:59] <collin> I'm sure that information is very valuable to the NSA
[17:59] <amjjawad> Hi, just give me few mins, dad on the phone :'(
[18:00] <f-jack> Yepp okay ali
[18:00] <collin> No Problem
[18:00] <Uallas> Hi amjjawad, collin, f-jack
[18:00] <davidy> Hello to all
[18:00] <collin> Hi!
[18:00] <collin> Is Frederic here?
[18:00] <f-jack> He said he would be
[18:01] <Uallas> Hello davidy. Yes collin, i'm Frédéric :)
[18:01] <collin> Hi, Forgive me If I don't add the accents to your name as our meeting progresses
[18:01] <collin> :)
[18:02] <f-jack> lol I know those are a pain I have a french class and I hate them
[18:02] <collin> It's not that, it's just the ancient 90s PS/2 keyboard I'm using
[18:03] <collin> Great typing feel, just little extra functionality
[18:03] <JoaoSantana> retrocomputing?
[18:03] <amjjawad> Okay, give me one min to wash my face
[18:03] <amjjawad> brb
[18:03] <f-jack> okay
[18:04] <collin> Definitely, although the computer I'm on is currently pretty modern (AMD A10), I like to use 2005-earlier when I can
[18:04] <f-jack> I have a thinkpad from 2009 and i love the thing
[18:05] <collin> Yeah, I use a 2007 Thinkpad as my laptop and it's wonderful
[18:05] <f-jack> oh amd I'm jack by the way
[18:05] <Uallas> collin:  Yes, I speak French, uses a azerty keyboard. :)
[18:05] <amjjawad> so everyone is here?
[18:05] <f-jack> yes
[18:05] <collin> I think so
[18:05] <amjjawad> it seems David is not here (not sure what is his IRC name)
[18:06] <davidy> David is here
[18:06] <f-jack> Exactly haha
[18:06] <amjjawad> YAY :D
[18:06] <davidy> I have no super secret NSA covername
[18:06] <amjjawad> ok shall we start?
[18:06] <collin> Sounds good
[18:06] <f-jack> yes we shall
[18:06] <amjjawad> #chair amjjawad
[18:07] <amjjawad> #startmeeting Ubuntu GNOME New Mods Meeting
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[18:08] <amjjawad> first of all, hello and welcome everyone :)
[18:08] <f-jack> Hello
[18:08] <JoaoSantana> Hi
[18:08] <collin> Hey
[18:08] <amjjawad> This is our first meeting for Trusty Tahr Cycle and on this meeting, we shall discuss some important topics for our tasks on this cycle :)
[18:08] <f-jack> Yes
[18:09] <amjjawad> #topic Roles
[18:09] <collin> Trusty Tahr is definitely our most important release to date
[18:09] <SonikkuAmerica> o/
[18:09] <f-jack> It's gonna be the first release I'm with the ubuntu gnome team
[18:09] <amjjawad> Okay, I shall keep talking (typing) and before I move to the next topic, if anyone has any Q, please ask :)
[18:10] <Uallas> OK. I open the eyes. Yes, here we read. :)
[18:10] <collin> Are there any commands I should be familiar with besides the ones that meetingbot gave when we started?
[18:10] <amjjawad> First, thanks for accepting my call of help and thanks for joining. The Roles that we will discuss here will define the tasks and set a plan for you guys to work on.
[18:11] <amjjawad> collin, don't worry about that, it is me who is charing the meeting ;)
[18:11] <collin> ok, tahnks
[18:11] <amjjawad> so, back to topic :)
[18:11] <f-jack> agreed
[18:11] <amjjawad> basically, what we need is Moderators for Google+ Community and Facebook Page.
[18:11] <f-jack> I can do both
[18:12] <amjjawad> guys, let me finish :D
[18:12] <f-jack> sorry
[18:12] <amjjawad> after this meeting, everyone who is interested is required to edit this: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntugnome-brainstorming/+spec/social-media-moderators
[18:13] <amjjawad> mention clearly that you are interested in helping with Google+ and Facebook OR just one of these.
[18:13] <amjjawad> Your role will be very simple :)
[18:13] <amjjawad> (1) Moderate Posts
[18:14] <amjjawad> (2) Any Topic that is non Ubuntu GNOME related the OP should be warned and if he/she will repeat that, there is another warning. If he/she will do it again, then that user will be removed.
[18:14] <amjjawad> In all cases, the off-topic posts will be removed.
[18:15] <amjjawad> (3) NO SPAM whatsoever. Any Spam post will be removed right away and the Spammer is out without any Q
[18:15] <amjjawad> (4) we need to understand and agree to one thing: our Social Media Sites/Channels are not Support Channels. While it is okay to ask simple Qs and answer that, serious issues should never be discussed over there and users must be directed to:
[18:16] <amjjawad> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/ContactUs
[18:16] <amjjawad> (5) Maintain a super high level of Communications between the team members (us) and between Ubuntu GNOME Team and the world.
[18:17] <amjjawad> Basically, these are the basic roles/tasks that you guys will work on.
[18:17] <amjjawad> If you have any Q, please ask so we can move to the next topic :)
[18:17] <collin> Understood
[18:17] <f-jack> I understand
[18:17] <SonikkuAmerica> o/ I have a question...
[18:17] <amjjawad> sure
[18:18] <SonikkuAmerica> ... Did you take attendance or are we all here?
[18:18] <davidy> clear to me
[18:18] <f-jack> We're all here
[18:18] <SonikkuAmerica> Other than that everything's clear.
[18:18] <amjjawad> SonikkuAmerica, no need to waste time for that :D there will be a log for this meeting so those who missed it, they can go back to the public log :)
[18:18] <SonikkuAmerica> OK.
[18:18] <Uallas> ok :)
[18:18] <amjjawad> great :)
[18:18] <amjjawad> #topic Tasks
[18:19] <amjjawad> I have already mentioned the tasks with the the Roles Topic :P but there is one thing that I did not yet mention.
[18:20] <amjjawad> While we are all keen to work on Quality, we do need Quantity as well. So, one of the tasks for the Mods will be trying to spread the word of Ubuntu GNOME :)
[18:20] <f-jack> Got it
[18:20] <amjjawad> You are not required to overkill yourself. All what you need to do is (just like me), keep talking about Ubuntu GNOME :)
[18:21] <amjjawad> Also, a super important task: Make Sure to always interact with the users of the social areas. Even if someone says "hi", reply that :) this will build a strong relationship between team members and the users of our system.
[18:22] <amjjawad> Also, (this is no3 so far): while your main tasks are the Social Media, it is good if you could answer some emails we receive every now and then on our Mailing List.
[18:22] <f-jack> okay
[18:22] <amjjawad> You are not the ambassadors of Ubuntu GNOME :D you are the front line of our system. I hope you know what I mean ;)
[18:23] <f-jack> yep
[18:23] <amjjawad> Any Q about this topic (Tasks)?
[18:23] <SonikkuAmerica> (We're going into combat?)
[18:23] <SonikkuAmerica> All set here.
[18:23] <collin> will those e-mails be on the main ubuntu gnome mailing list or the communications team list
[18:23] <amjjawad> SonikkuAmerica, yes indeed. Spreading the word of Ubuntu GNOME will never be easy ;)
[18:24] <amjjawad> What I have done with Lubuntu for two years, must be doubled or tripled with Ubuntu GNOME and my mission might be easy because this team, there is a team working on the same task :D
[18:24] <amjjawad> So, I am very much positive we will do wonders ;) but together - All of us are smarter than anyone of us ;)
[18:24] <f-jack> YES
[18:24] <amjjawad> Shall we move to the other topic?
[18:24] <f-jack> yes
[18:24] <davidy> yes
[18:24] <SonikkuAmerica> Lead on.
[18:24] <collin> I'm set
[18:25] <amjjawad> #topic Activity
[18:25] <amjjawad> Okay, I am sure you guys know that I am expecting you to be super active, right? :D
[18:25] <f-jack> yes
[18:25] <collin> of course
[18:25] <amjjawad> but of course, I don't want you to burn out like me :P
[18:25] <SonikkuAmerica> :D
[18:25] <collin> :)
[18:25] <Uallas> 1000% :p
[18:25] <f-jack> haha
[18:25] <amjjawad> If you can offer minimum 1 hour daily, that is SUPER GREAT.
[18:26] <amjjawad> I do know that some are always online ;) me and Uallas for example :D
[18:26] <amjjawad> and I know some others can't be always online.
[18:26] <amjjawad> All in all, we are required to be active and sometimes very active.
[18:26] <f-jack> I do school during the day but I'm always checking facebook and stuff
[18:26] <davidy> Due to my job, I can offer 1hr four days a week and maybe more at times
[18:27] <collin> That shouldn't be too hard. However, as a student there may be some nights I will need to prioritize studying for exams etc..
[18:27] <amjjawad> One thing that I forgot to mention on the Tasks Topic: Do not worry about any kind of announcement, I am on this.
[18:27] <f-jack> I can do two-three hours a day
[18:27] <collin> but 1 hr should be fine almost every day
[18:27] <SonikkuAmerica> :) I'm a college student; we do weird things.
[18:27] <amjjawad> davidy, that is more than enough ;)
[18:27] <amjjawad> don't worry about the "1 hour" subject
[18:27] <f-jack> okay
[18:28] <SonikkuAmerica> I have a quick comment:
[18:28] <amjjawad> as I mentioned one can offer 5 hours daily, one can offer 5 per week.
[18:29] <SonikkuAmerica> If you use iOS or Android, check out Facebook's Pages Manager app. When you log in, it'll show you all the pages you admin, and you can perform admin tasks on those pages from your phone or tablet.
[18:29] <collin> That's really useful, thanks!
[18:29] <amjjawad> The most and the highest priority is: activity on the mailing list. We MUST communicate to each other as one team. One family. No member of this family do anything unless communicate to his family member. This will lead to a super active and super effective team. And, there is nothing will stand in our way if we do that.
[18:29] <amjjawad> Good Tip, SonikkuAmerica :)
[18:29] <f-jack> I agree
[18:30] <amjjawad> Good :) and by the way if I am fast, ask me too slow down. I type too fast and I don't want you to be lost of confused :D
[18:30] <amjjawad> or*
[18:31] <amjjawad> So, I am done with Activity Topic. Any Q?
[18:31] <SonikkuAmerica> Nope, all set.
[18:31] <f-jack> None here
[18:31] <collin> ready for #4
[18:31] <amjjawad> #topic Quality vs Quantity
[18:32] <amjjawad> I think the title says it all. Our target was, is and will forever be: Quality.
[18:32] <amjjawad> I don't care if we have 1000 subscribers but we are the best ever in the quality we have.
[18:32] <amjjawad> I've seen pages with over 80K users but ... poor quality.
[18:33] <Uallas> It would be wise to hire a moderator, asian, or new zealand, australia, for the time zone. It increases our presence.
[18:33] <f-jack> we have really good people on our team quality shouldn't be a problem
[18:33] <amjjawad> Just for the record: Ubuntu GNOME Social Media Channels (Twitter, Facebook and Goolge+) are, by far, the most 'active' channels among all the other flavors!!
[18:33]  * SonikkuAmerica cheers
[18:34] <collin> Not to  mention the channels for the proprietary guys!
[18:34] <amjjawad> That, didn't come from nothing. That happened because Quality is what we care about, then Quantity.
[18:34] <amjjawad> f-jack, I am not talking about the Quality of our system.
[18:34] <davidy> Nice to be with a great team
[18:34] <amjjawad> That is for the QA team to worry about :P
[18:34] <f-jack> I know
[18:34] <amjjawad> I am talking about something much more important.
[18:35] <amjjawad> The quality of our community and family.
[18:35] <davidy> Yes ;-)
[18:35] <amjjawad> This must be our highest priority.
[18:35] <f-jack> Yes
[18:35] <amjjawad> I am sure davidy knows what I am talking about :D
[18:35] <davidy> yes
[18:36] <collin> Of course. It's waht sets us aprt
[18:36] <collin> *apart
[18:36] <amjjawad> I am insisting and keep repeating "Quality vs Quantity" because I want to make sure ALL of us here are aware of this and promise to remember that :D
[18:36] <amjjawad> so, do we ALL agree?
[18:36] <amjjawad> +1 please
[18:36] <f-jack> I agree
[18:36] <davidy> +1
[18:36] <SonikkuAmerica> +1
[18:36] <Uallas> +1
[18:36] <collin> +1
[18:36] <f-jack> +1
[18:36] <SonikkuAmerica> Shall we swear it on an Ubuntu GNOME computer?
[18:37] <f-jack> haha sure
[18:37] <amjjawad> Hahah, no it is okay, I trust you all :D
[18:37] <collin> OF course:)
[18:37] <amjjawad> Any Q?
[18:37] <davidy> no
[18:37] <f-jack> none
[18:37] <collin> nope
[18:37] <amjjawad> #topic Communications: Internal vs External
[18:37] <amjjawad> if it is not yet clear, please ask me to explain more in details :)
[18:39] <amjjawad> Internal = communications on the Ubuntu GNOME Marketing and Communications Team Mailing List AND the Main Mailing List = this must be on high standard and on active basis. We keep everyone informed of what is going on. Remember, not everyone on Facebook or Google+ so it is always our job to keep everyone in the loop :)
[18:39] <f-jack> hey ali what is the email for our comms list?
[18:39] <amjjawad> External = Our communications with the outside world. Be careful, our users on Google+ area are different. They might give you some hard time so I trust you can handle that :D
[18:40] <amjjawad> f-jack, every mod must join: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntugnome-comms
[18:40] <f-jack> nvm i got it
[18:40] <amjjawad> #action every mod must join: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntugnome-comms
[18:40] <meetingology> ACTION: every mod must join: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntugnome-comms
[18:41] <amjjawad> #action everyone mod needs to edit this blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntugnome-brainstorming/+spec/social-media-moderators
[18:41] <meetingology> ACTION: everyone mod needs to edit this blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntugnome-brainstorming/+spec/social-media-moderators
[18:41] <amjjawad> any Q?
[18:41] <f-jack> None again
[18:41] <SonikkuAmerica> Speaking of the bueprint...
[18:41] <davidy> no
[18:41] <amjjawad> yes SonikkuAmerica
[18:42] <Uallas> no Q
[18:42] <SonikkuAmerica> ... did someone translate my words into French and paste it back on the blueprint?
[18:42] <amjjawad> SonikkuAmerica, let's talk about that at the end of this meeting. I don't see French on your comment!
[18:43] <SonikkuAmerica> OK
[18:43] <amjjawad> #topic Ubuntu GNOME Marketing & Communications Team
[18:43] <amjjawad> Hello and Welcome to the ultra fun, massive experience and great new skills
[18:44] <amjjawad> That is what this team is made of and willing to do :)
[18:44] <amjjawad> Marketing and Communications.
[18:44] <amjjawad> Haven't studied that? nor ever heard of it? nor have been there? NO problems :)
[18:44] <f-jack> Ali, I edited the blueprint. Is there any info you need to add us?
[18:44] <amjjawad> It is time to learn new stuff and do great things
[18:44] <amjjawad> f-jack, not now :P
[18:45] <amjjawad> let me finish please
[18:45] <f-jack> okay sry
[18:45] <amjjawad> So, you see, I am not planning to recruit new moderators only for our channels. I am trying to build an empire here.
[18:45] <amjjawad> A super strong active team that will take Ubuntu GNOME to the top 10 of best Linux Distributions.
[18:46] <amjjawad> Can we do that, guys?
[18:46] <collin> Yes we can!
[18:46] <f-jack> Yes we can
[18:46] <SonikkuAmerica> ... Yep.
[18:47] <amjjawad> Uallas, and davidy ?
[18:47] <Uallas> Yes, yes :)
[18:47] <davidy> yes, sry feeding my son
[18:47] <amjjawad> perfect :D
[18:48] <amjjawad> any Q?
[18:48] <davidy> no
[18:48] <SonikkuAmerica> No sir.
[18:48] <Uallas> no
[18:48] <f-jack> none
[18:48] <amjjawad> SonikkuAmerica, don't sir me, please :P
[18:48] <SonikkuAmerica> Sorry...?
[18:48] <amjjawad> SonikkuAmerica, never mind
[18:48] <collin> nope
[18:48] <f-jack> okay lmao
[18:48] <amjjawad> Okay, I will stop right here and hear from you
[18:48] <amjjawad> I think Uallas had a suggestion?
[18:49] <amjjawad> as per the agenda that I asked you guys to edit :P
[18:49] <amjjawad> #topic Uallas suggestions
[18:49] <amjjawad> "Ubuntu GNOME on Jabber (XMPP)" - no more channels for now :D
[18:51] <amjjawad> " Publication on facebook and G+. Shall we publish information on Linux in general, Open Source software, tutorial, etc.. " case to case. If these information is related to Ubuntu GNOME then yes, I don't mind. Otherwise, there are lots of other pages doing that on our behalf :D so, we don't really need to waste our energy and time over that :)
[18:51] <amjjawad> Uallas, I answered your two Qs so any thing else?
[18:52] <Uallas> No, ok for me :)
[18:52] <amjjawad> Uallas, ok good :)
[18:52] <amjjawad> f-jack, you too edited the agenda :) anything you would like to add?
[18:53] <f-jack> Keep up the good work, nah I thought we had to lol
[18:53] <amjjawad> f-jack, will sure do :) we all shall do ;)
[18:53] <amjjawad> SonikkuAmerica, anything to add?
[18:53] <SonikkuAmerica> Not for now.
[18:53] <amjjawad> davidy, anything?
[18:53] <amjjawad> hope I didn't forget anyone :D
[18:53] <davidy> no, good for now
[18:54] <amjjawad> okay, before I end the meeting, is there anything related you'd like to say or ask?
[18:54] <SonikkuAmerica> All set :)
[18:54] <f-jack> So what do you need to be able to make us admins?
[18:54] <amjjawad> #action amjjawad to give Mod access to members with no access yet
[18:54] <meetingology> ACTION: amjjawad to give Mod access to members with no access yet
[18:55] <amjjawad> #action amjjawad to make sure everyone have a Wiki Page + Launchpad Account + Signed the CoC + Member of https://launchpad.net/~ubuntugnome-comms
[18:55] <meetingology> ACTION: amjjawad to make sure everyone have a Wiki Page + Launchpad Account + Signed the CoC + Member of https://launchpad.net/~ubuntugnome-comms
[18:55] <davidy> yes, do we have an organized presence on Ubuntu Forums to answer question?
[18:55] <amjjawad> f-jack, add me on fb and Google+
[18:55] <f-jack> and okay
[18:56] <amjjawad> davidy, beside me, there is Lance but that is all what I know. Other people help as well but they might not be part of our family.
[18:56] <davidy> I will edit the blueprint for my G+ activity
[18:56] <amjjawad> davidy, if anyone of you are able to be on the Ubuntu Forums that is super great :)
[18:57] <davidy> I can.
[18:57] <amjjawad> davidy, that is great but make sure not to overdo it nor burn out :P (look who is talking)
[18:57] <davidy> All work and no play.........
[18:58] <f-jack> I'll do the ubuntu forums three or four times a week
[18:58] <amjjawad> @everyone we may need another meeting but we can decided that later on the mailing list ;)
[18:58] <meetingology> amjjawad: Error: "everyone" is not a valid command.
[18:58] <Uallas> I have an account on Ubuntu Forum but I do not speak, I'm on the French Ubuntu-fr
[18:58] <f-jack> and I did what ya told me to
[18:58] <collin> Hey, at least with steam on linux we can play without switching over :)
[18:58] <amjjawad> everyone we may need another meeting but we can decided that later on the mailing list ;)
[18:59] <f-jack> Okay
[18:59] <amjjawad> by the way
[18:59] <collin> sounds good!
[18:59] <f-jack> Yep
[18:59] <amjjawad> make sure not to CC the main mailing list unless there is something very important.
[18:59] <f-jack> got it
[18:59] <amjjawad> Let's keep our internal communications within our sub-team and if there is something important, we can CC the main list :)
[18:59] <davidy> yes
[18:59] <SonikkuAmerica> collin: I still have to switch to Windows to play my Steam games, but we're getting a little OT
[19:00] <collin> understood
[19:00] <amjjawad> great :D
[19:00]  * SonikkuAmerica thumbs-up
[19:00] <f-jack> I do steam on ubuntu haha
[19:00] <amjjawad> Anyting at all you would like to add?
[19:00] <f-jack> Nope
[19:00] <davidy> no
[19:00] <collin> nope
[19:00] <SonikkuAmerica> Nope.
[19:00] <amjjawad> Okay then, I'd like to thank you a lot for attending. This is by far my best meeting on IRC :D Thank you for your time and for attending.
[19:01] <f-jack> Thanks for chairing it
[19:01] <amjjawad> One last word: Keep Up the Great Work and Let's take Ubuntu GNOME to the next level :D HOOHAA
[19:01] <davidy> Thanks to all!
[19:01] <amjjawad> f-jack, at your service
[19:01] <SonikkuAmerica> HOOHAA! :)
[19:01] <collin> no problem amjawwad, you are a great leader
[19:01] <f-jack> agreed
[19:01] <amjjawad> 'WE' are a great family :D
[19:01] <f-jack> lol
[19:02] <amjjawad> I am nothing without the family
[19:02] <Uallas> Thank you for the meeting, it is clear, and we can begin to work positively.
[19:02] <amjjawad> Our loyalty to the family :D - Godfather Part 4 :P
[19:02] <amjjawad> #endmeeting
[19:02] <meetingology> Meeting ended Sat Jan 11 19:02:27 2014 UTC.
[19:02] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-gnome/2014/ubuntu-gnome.2014-01-11-18.07.moin.txt
[19:02] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-gnome/2014/ubuntu-gnome.2014-01-11-18.07.html
[19:02] <amjjawad> Thank you again guys :D
[19:02] <amjjawad> you can see the links here, right?
[19:02] <f-jack> Your welcome
[19:02] <collin> no problem!
[19:03] <davidy> yes, and great meeting
[19:03] <amjjawad> yes and we have to re-do that again soon :D
[19:03] <f-jack> yep
[19:03] <amjjawad> whenever anyone feels there is a need for a meeting, don't wait for me, just send an email ;)
[19:03] <f-jack> and I'm going install trusty haha
[19:03] <amjjawad> soon, I might choose one of you to be an admin on the Launchpad Area ;)
[19:03] <SonikkuAmerica> Yeah, I need to install UG myself...
[19:03] <SonikkuAmerica> lol...
[19:04] <amjjawad> f-jack, yes, we need to be testers before anything else :D
[19:04] <collin> I just need to start using my partition
[19:04] <amjjawad> it would be super bad if we ask people to test and we don't :P
[19:04] <amjjawad> Virtual machine guys ;)
[19:04] <f-jack> Yep
[19:04] <amjjawad> until you have a machine for this
[19:04]  * SonikkuAmerica uses Ubuntu Studio (against Windows 8.1) on hard metal and Kubuntu in a VM at present
[19:04] <davidy> A virtual machine comes in handy!
[19:04] <amjjawad> davidy, indeed
[19:05] <amjjawad> I don't have a spare machine for Ubunut GNOME :(
[19:05] <amjjawad> I might use my main and if there will be smoke coming out, someone has to pay for it :P
[19:05] <amjjawad> Nah, Ubuntu GNOME has been a rock solid system
[19:05] <amjjawad> OHHHH YES YES I forgot :/
[19:05] <davidy> Solve your overheating issues....?
[19:05] <SonikkuAmerica> Uh-oh...?
[19:06] <amjjawad> WE MUST make sure the whole world understand that we do need help for our LTS version
[19:06] <amjjawad> ops, I forgot to add that :'(
[19:06] <amjjawad> And, I need a Google+ Hangout on air
[19:06] <amjjawad> we need like QA session to promote Ubuntu GNOME
[19:06] <amjjawad> anyone who is not Camera Shy?
[19:07] <SonikkuAmerica> amjjawad: Oh, I should mention this while you're here: In a move of inter-flavor relations, the Kubuntu community has begun a one-stop landing for Kubuntu! http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/KubuntuLinks
[19:07] <f-jack> we can do that next time
[19:07] <davidy> @SonikkuAmerica, u must share your U Studio experience w/ me sometime
[19:07] <meetingology> davidy: Error: "SonikkuAmerica," is not a valid command.
[19:07] <SonikkuAmerica> (I helped kick-start it)
[19:08] <amjjawad> SonikkuAmerica, that page was created by you ;)
[19:08] <amjjawad> SonikkuAmerica, now, Ubuntu Communities have THREE OneStopPages :D
[19:08] <davidy> nice page
[19:08] <amjjawad> I am glad to see that :D well done!
[19:09] <SonikkuAmerica> It's not complete yet... I'm making a plea for Kubuntu Docs Team members to help
[19:09] <SonikkuAmerica> davidy: Gladly. BTW, didn't you just leave Lubuntu Comms?
[19:09] <collin> hey guys, I'd love to stay and chat but I've gotta eat some lunch. :)
[19:09] <collin> Great meeting!
[19:09] <amjjawad> Great job! that is what I wanted to see someday
[19:09] <amjjawad> collin, sure :D
[19:09] <amjjawad> cya soon and thanks a lot
[19:10] <SonikkuAmerica> amjjawad: A bit of sad news, though: Xubuntu has rejected the one-stop idea.
[19:10] <amjjawad> happy meal ... don't eat fast :P
[19:10] <davidy> I am gracefully departing Lubuntu Comms - I want to give them time to replace my role.
[19:10] <amjjawad> SonikkuAmerica, I am NOT surprised :D
[19:10] <JoaoSantana> someone has installed Trusty on VMWare?
[19:10] <SonikkuAmerica> amjjawad: knome has a Social Page on the Xubuntu Web site where that kind of stuff exists.
[19:10] <amjjawad> davidy, believe it or not, while I hide it, it is still killing me :(
[19:11] <f-jack> I do QA for both Ubuntu Gnome and regular ubuntu and I do bugsquad as well lol
[19:11] <davidy> Ali, .....greener pastures, my friend
[19:11] <amjjawad> f-jack, keep it up and i have seen your emails on the QA list of Ubuntu ;)
[19:11] <amjjawad> I am everywhere :D
[19:11] <f-jack> bye and yes u are
[19:11] <amjjawad> f-jack, take care
[19:11] <amjjawad> davidy, one day, things must change
[19:12] <amjjawad> but I do hope Lubuntu will remain and won't vanish
[19:12] <amjjawad> they didn't join the Alpha 1 :/
[19:12] <SonikkuAmerica> There are reasons for that.
[19:12] <amjjawad> I hope they know what they are doing
[19:12] <amjjawad> SonikkuAmerica, which I know but I hate to discuss here
[19:12] <SonikkuAmerica> Mainly dealing with LXDE-Qt
[19:13] <davidy> There are good folks within Lubuntu...I wish them well
[19:13] <amjjawad> They have my full support if they need it.
[19:13] <amjjawad> But I am not going to jump in anymore
[19:13] <SonikkuAmerica> OK, I gotta go; I'll fix my part of the whiteboard later. See ya!
[19:13] <amjjawad> Okay, so I must do some Wiki Edit and send the links of the meeting
[19:13] <amjjawad> SonikkuAmerica, cya and thanks a lot
[19:14] <amjjawad> I guess I must go too :D
[19:14] <amjjawad> wait, someone was asking !!
[19:14] <davidy> I must depart and finish feeding my son lunch, cee ya all later
[19:14] <amjjawad> suer
[19:14] <amjjawad> davidy, thanks a lot my friend and cya
[19:15] <amjjawad> JoaoSantana, you still here?
[19:15] <davidy> ;-)
[19:15] <Noskcaj> If we could find a way to get 2-3 new devs for ubuntu, we might be able to get gilir to take a week off work and train them, but we don't have enough manpower for anything
[19:15] <Noskcaj> *lubuntu
[19:15] <JoaoSantana> amjjawad, yes
[19:16] <amjjawad> how are you, Noskcaj :)
[19:16] <amjjawad> JoaoSantana, hi, sorry, what was your Q?
[19:16] <Noskcaj> hey amjjawad. Pretty good. you?
[19:16] <amjjawad> Noskcaj, still on my Zombie mode but alive :P
[19:16] <JoaoSantana> Trusty on VMWare. It hangs on boot...
[19:16]  * JoaoSantana is going to drink some coffee mug on kitchen
[19:17] <amjjawad> JoaoSantana, http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=427 << start a new thread here :)
[19:18] <amjjawad> Or ask on the QA list: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/Testing
[19:22] <JoaoSantana> amjjawad, bookmarked :) thank you. I have a wedding to attend later, so I'll check later :D
[19:23] <amjjawad> JoaoSantana, lovely :D enjoy :D
[19:23] <amjjawad> I must fade away now :D cya everyone


[01:05] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Ubuntu Blog: 5 Edge Computing Examples You Should Know @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/edge-computing-examples
[01:42] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::omg!ubuntu:: Ubuntu 24.04 Refreshes the Desktop Installer [First Look] @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/02/ubuntu-24-04-installer-redesign
[06:17] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::security:: Episode 219 @ https://ubuntusecuritypodcast.org/episode-219/


[00:05] <dema> hello there
[00:06] <wxl> dema: what's up?
[00:07] <dema> can you explain what is this,  please
[00:07] <dema> i mean this app
[00:08] <wxl> when you say "this app," what exactly are you referring to?
[00:08] <dema> Quassel IRC
[00:08] <lynorian> wxl I am almost entirely sure dema means quassel
[00:08] <wxl> ah. it's a messaging application, using the IRC protocol
[00:09] <dema> thanx)
[00:10] <dema> how r u guys)
[00:10] <kc2bez> IRC= Internet Relay Chat, in this case. You have connected to the support channel.
[00:10] <dema> ok in this channel there is any rules?
[00:11] <wxl> this is explicitly for support. if you just want to chat, there's an offtopic channel
[00:11] <wxl> we also have a development channel
[00:11] <wxl> all of the channels are governed by the Ubuntu Code of Conduct and the Ubuntu IRC Guidelines
[00:11] <wxl> basically, the rules are: be nice :)
[00:12] <dema> thank you)
[00:12] <wxl> https://www.ubuntu.com/community/code-of-conduct
[00:12] <wxl> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines
[00:27] <dema> guys, where can i see the channel list ?
[00:28] <kc2bez> Your channel list is in the left panel. You probably only have the #lubuntu channel in it right now.
[00:28] <kc2bez> You would need to join another channel for it to show up. Up at the top there should be a join button.
[00:29] <dema> yes, and i have #offtopic and #devel
[00:29] <kc2bez> If you go to our manual page you can see screenshots.
[00:29] <dema> ok thanx
[00:30] <kc2bez> Ok if you click on one of them you will see that channel.
[00:30] <kc2bez> Please let us know if you have any other questions.
[05:57] <abbiya> need help activating touchpad clicks
[05:57] <abbiya> lubuntu 18.10
[09:14] <qwebirc69164> Hi
[09:21] <qwebirc69164> Hi I have a notebook with two Operative System (Lubuntu and WIndows Vista), I have one hard disk with 160 Gb , some years ago I partitioned this hard disk. the computer starts with the "normal" grub menù.
[09:23] <qwebirc69164> I saw that I have one partion with 79 Gb that I don't work. I am trying without success "take" this partion for create one new partition for linux environment
[09:24] <qwebirc69164> I would request you how can I make for take this partition, can you help me?
 do you work on a live system?
[09:30] <qwebirc69164> no, the computer start with the grub menu
[09:31] <qwebirc69164> on this menu I can select Linux or Windows
[09:31] <qwebirc69164> for different situation I can't erase the windows partition
 Yes, but you can't change a partition, that is in use. ... To avoid problems, I recommend you to use a live system for partitioning.
 And first check your /etc/fstab file, that the partition you try to change is not listed in the file
[09:36] <qwebirc69164> when I launch the disk utility program I see different partitions, the swap partition, the ext4 partition, the ntfs partition and other partition how "Unknow" that have 78 Gb
 Which partition table does your disk have? Check it with `sudo parted --list` in the terminal
[10:24] <qwebirc69164> sudo gparted [10:54] <pavon> wille
[10:56] <pavon> wille
[11:16] <qwebirc69164> Aspire-5920:~$ df -kh Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/sda5       4.5G  3.4G  877M  80% / udev            1.5G   12K  1.5G   1% /dev tmpfs           302M  880K  301M   1% /run none            5.0M     0  5.0M   0% /run/lock none            1.5G     0  1.5G   0% /run/shm
 http://2019.amazingsexdating.com
 Sigh. Removed.
[18:48] <eugenio> hi, I have problem with the HDMI plug, could you help me?
[18:51] <tsimonq2> !ask


[06:41] <ara> good morning!
[08:26] <davmor2> Morning All
[08:26] <thekorn_> good morning davmor2
[10:28] <thekorn_> how/where should I report usability bugs in a live session?
[10:29] <davmor2> launchpad.  As per normal
[10:29] <thekorn_> first one is: it is not obvious that the password for the "mount volume" (policy kit) dialog is empty
[10:30] <davmor2> thekorn_: have a word with pitti about that
[10:30] <davmor2> second
[10:30] <thekorn_> second one: empathy's "enter details for new account" only allows new jabber and g-talk accounts
[10:56] <davmor2> thekorn_: not just me then I noticed it yesterday but was too concerned with other stuff :)
[10:56] <davmor2> thekorn_: for that bug let me know I confirm it :)
[10:58] <thekorn_> davmor2: which one, the empathy bug?
[10:58] <davmor2> yes
[11:00] <davmor2> thekorn_: as a work around if you close that window and then hit edit->accounts you then get the full list
[11:02] <thekorn_> davmor2: jo, will add this to the bug once filed
[11:05] <thekorn_> davmor2: bug 447098
[11:05] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 447098 in empathy ""i want a new account" in karmic live session only let you create a jabber and g-talk account" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/447098
[11:06] <thekorn_> damn, I should start testing new releases earlier in the cycle :(
[11:08] <davmor2> thekorn_: I found too many bugs that have crept in, in the last 2 months
[11:08] <davmor2> :(
[11:09] <thekorn_> another one: when you choose language "english" and keymap "german" on live-cd startup you still get USA as keyboard layout in the live session
[11:16] <davmor2> thekorn_: again pitti/seb128/cjwatson for those kinda issues
[12:56] <fader> How's it going, wubi?   Are you one better now?
[14:56] <cgregan> :-)
[14:57] <davmor2> no he is the evil one :)
[14:57] <cgregan> davmor2: hehe
[14:57] <cgregan> Things are pretty busy here davmor2
[14:57] <cgregan> We are planning a team sprint to Taipei Taiwan coming up in a week.
[14:58] <davmor2> cgregan: things are chaos here.  I'd like to say organised but that would be an outrageous lie
[14:58] <cgregan> davmor2: I bet.....3 weeks to ship
[15:00] <cgregan> davmor2: There may be a year between me and my platform QA days, but I remember the chaos well still! :-)
[15:01] <davmor2> cgregan: it might not be such a worry if everything worked.  But so far we haven't had a fully functional wubi
[15:15] <davmor2> fader: ^ like that for a sign off :)
[15:15] <fader> :)
[15:16] <davmor2> I found another thing to hate vista for.  No obvious way to grab info from cmd it's a case of select all or nothing :(
[15:17] <fader> davmor2: You mean like copy-n-paste?
[15:19] <davmor2> fader: yeap.  you can't drag the cursor over a certain piece of text and say copy-paste.  You have to right click and select all, hit enter to copy it and then paste where ever
[15:19] <davmor2> most annoying
[15:19] <fader> davmor2: Used to be you could right-click, select "mark", then mark text (only in a rectangular block though) and then hit enter to copy it
[15:19] <fader> Been a long time since I've been forced to use cmd though, so maybe that's gone
[15:20] <davmor2> fader: is is the output of a dir  /S
[15:20] <fader> IIRC DOS supports enough pipelining to say "dir /s > output.txt"
[15:31] <davmor2> fader: my way got the info I needed so I was happy in the end but it is still sucky
[15:31] <fader> davmor2: Agreed, it's no bash + gnome-terminal
[15:32] <davmor2> fader: remind me why people use windows again?
[15:32] <fader> davmor2: They just don't know any better ;)
[15:32] <davmor2> the unenlightened masses
[19:19] <asac> hola ... someone has a livecd running ;)?
[19:20] <asac> please open firefox -> tools -> addons -> extensions ... do you see ubufox there?
[19:20] <asac> ubuntu firefox extension
[19:20] <asac> thx
[19:20] <asac> let me know please
[19:25] <davmor2> asac: 2 minutes
[19:28] <asac> i dont see it on live-usb image of today, but i dont want to just say its gone officially as we have a RC bug on that
[19:28] <asac> i mean: i dont see the bug ;) ... e.g. i _can_ see ubufox
[19:28] <sbeattie> asac: I do, but from daily live 20091009, looks like I'm pulling down a slightly newer live cd now.
[19:29] <sbeattie> asac: I do == I see it.
[19:29] <davmor2> I see ubuntu firefox modifications 0.8b1 in there
[19:29] <davmor2> asac:^
[19:30] <davmor2> sbeattie: yeah reroll for me to test possible wubi fix
[19:30] <asac> well. as long as its there its fine
[19:30] <asac> it was confirmed by ara and a few bug reporters before beta
[19:30] <asac> so great
[19:30] <asac> nothing better than that.
[19:30]  * asac goes closing bug
[19:31] <asac> sbeattie: you do see the bug or ubufox?
[19:31] <sbeattie> ubufox
[19:31] <asac> cool
[19:32] <asac> are you all running usb or real cd?
[19:32] <sbeattie> livecd in a virtualbox guest
[19:32] <davmor2> real cd 20091009.1
[19:32] <davmor2> asac
[19:33] <asac> i386?
[19:33] <davmor2> asac: yes
[19:34] <davmor2> asac: I could tell you 64bit to but I would need to burn it first
[19:34] <asac> hmm. ok so no test coverage on 64bit
[19:34] <asac> i also have 32
[19:35] <davmor2> asac: you only had to say well if you want to go ahead and burn it ;)
[19:35] <sbeattie> mine was amd64
[19:35] <davmor2> yay
[19:36] <davmor2> asac: ^
[19:44] <davmor2> asac: confirmed on 64bit
[19:44] <asac> very good
[19:45] <asac> that makes a good testing mix and i can sleep again ;)
[19:46] <davmor2> asac: sleep? isn't that the thing you do in bed with your eyes closed and stuff.  I remember the notion of the concept
[19:48] <asac> oh yes ...
[21:02] <jsalisbury> I was able to get through Eucalyptus Tests: UEC-001 and UEC-002 that are listed on: http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/System/Eucalyptus - Didn't run into any issues using two Dell 2950s
[21:03] <jsalisbury> Running UEC-003 tonight and during weekend
[21:09] <davmor2> jsalisbury: Cool that's good news many thanks
[21:10] <jsalisbury> davmor2: np. the first two tests were pretty straight forward install tests.  The real fun will be test3 and trying out the "meat" of Eucalyptus.
[21:12] <davmor2> jsalisbury: it's still nice to know that they actually work though :)
[21:14] <jsalisbury> davmor2: agreed :-) I used the 10-9-09 daily iso
[22:54] <unit3> ... can someone tell me what happened to screen-profiles in karmic?
[22:59] <unit3> oh, got renamed as byobu. I see.


[00:00] <mup> PR snapcraft#2376 opened: jdk plugin: remove jdk <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2376>
[01:03] <mup> PR snapcraft#2377 opened: cli: remove disable-parallel-build and geoip toggles <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2377>
[16:02] <mup> PR snapcraft#2374 closed: build providers: destroy on create failures <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2374>
[16:02] <mup> PR snapcraft#2376 closed: jdk plugin: remove jdk <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2376>
[16:08] <mup> PR snapcraft#2375 closed: sanity checks: verify that command-chain is not used with legacy adapter <Created by kyrofa> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2375>
[18:00] <mup> PR snapd#6006 closed: tests: move spread-shellcheck to run-checks --static <Created by chipaca> <Closed by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6006>
[18:11] <mup> PR snapcraft#2377 closed: cli: remove disable-parallel-build and geoip toggles <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2377>
[18:59] <mup> PR snapcraft#2378 opened: Release chagelog for 3.0 <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2378>
[19:41] <ping> Hi, I've a question about using snaps
[19:42] <ping> I have two GNU+Linux distros
[19:42] <ping> and is there a way to share the snaps between them?
[19:43] <ping> for example, storing them in a third SSD which I use to store stuff shared between both
[19:45] <ping> I want to do this because I've a very bad internet connection and re-download again the same set of snaps for all my distros is a little problematic
[20:51] <mup> PR snapd#6011 closed: Fix import as module by adding go.mod files <Created by ryanjyoder> <Closed by ryanjyoder> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6011>
[21:16] <mup> PR snapd#6025 opened: Add go.mod files <Created by ryanjyoder> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6025>
[22:28] <mup> PR snapd#6026 opened: cmd/snap: try not to panic on error from "snap try" <⚠ Critical> <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6026>


[00:02] <wrst> ha ha chris4585 how so? :)
[00:02] <chris4585> just everything being new and awesome on 7.10 with compiz was beautiful and awesome
[00:03] <wrst> very true
[00:03] <chris4585> in someways its the same but totally different today..
[00:05] <wrst> yeah and now what was great in 7.10 looks a little not so much dated but not as fancy i suppose
[00:16] <chris4585> yeah
[00:17] <chris4585> compiz is more of a novelty now I guess, best thing about it was the cube for me and switching desktops
[00:24] <wrst> chris4585: yep exactly
[00:24] <wrst> and now i really really like how gnome-shell does the desktop switching
[00:24] <wrst> its not as fancy but better organized
[00:25]  * wrst is probably a minority on liking anything gnome-shell does
[00:25] <chris4585> I suppose, with gnome shell I still need openbox/compiz like scroll switching
[00:26] <chris4585> wrst, not exactly, I love it way more than unity, it just needs certain extensions to make it awesome
[00:26] <wrst> you still have the ctl/alt up down arrow changing
[00:26] <wrst> chris4585: i can't argue with that
[00:26] <chris4585> yeah but there is a plugin to do what I want :)
[00:26] <wrst> :)
[00:27] <chris4585> I just wish there were more options like adding favorites to the bottom of the screen and always showing like a dock
[00:30] <chris4585> that is possible with extensions but sometimes extensions can be more buggy
[00:37] <chris4585> hrmm, I wonder why flash crashed? http://i.imgur.com/erZ8Z.jpg
[00:38] <chris4585> most of those videos aren't flash though, I'm glad it crashed it keeps my cpu temp down
[00:39] <chris4585> html5 <3
[00:43] <chris4585> actually, here we go http://i.imgur.com/jzjsm.png
[13:45] <wrst> good morning every one
[13:49] <wrst> morning alyawn
[13:49] <alyawn> morning
[13:49] <wrst> all going well?
[13:50] <alyawn> yep, how about you?
[13:50] <wrst> its good
[13:51] <alyawn> actually, I'm thinking about trying my hand at a screencast... but it seems my sound card doesn't have a MIX device so I can't capture mic input and program output at the same time :/
[13:52] <wrst> hmm that stinks
[13:52]  * wrst eyes xTEMPx
[13:53] <alyawn> yeah.. will probably just end up recording mic on another box...
[13:53] <alyawn> I seem to have a few old boxes lying around with nothing to do :)
[13:54] <wrst> ha ha so they are now tape recorders? :)
[13:55] <alyawn> yes
[14:26] <wrst> wb alyawn
[14:27] <alyawn> thanks...
[14:27] <wrst> we seem to be the only ones awake
[14:27] <alyawn> updated my kernel
[14:27] <alyawn> yes
[14:27] <wrst> i did that a day or so ago i think i'm running 3.5.4
[14:28] <wrst> well on my laptop 3.2.0 on my server and 2.6.32 on a debian box
[14:28] <wrst> i have all sorts of kernels running wild, not that anyoen cares :)
[14:29] <alyawn> yeah... me too
[14:30] <alyawn> trying to get ffmpeg to capture the correct audio null output...
[15:32] <wrst> mac9416: ??? really its you??? !!!
[15:32] <wrst> alyawn: ffmpeg is great but i can never remember how to do anythign with it
[15:33] <mac9416> wrst, it's the real me.  :-D
[15:33] <wrst> how have you been doing mac9416? and good to see you back
[15:33] <mac9416> Been mia for a while working n computerless project.
[15:34] <mac9416> *on... projects
[15:34] <wrst> a computerless project ?
[15:34] <wrst> how could you do that?
[15:34] <wrst> :)
[15:34] <mac9416> Haha, yeah.
[15:34] <mac9416> Because there was tons of logic involved.:-D
[15:34] <mac9416> Just a min...
[15:35] <wrst> well we have waited over a year mac9416 i guess a minute more will work
[15:42] <mac9416> wrst, I'm actually in a college classroom now.   :-P
[15:43] <wrst> ha ha mac9416
[15:43] <wrst> keep up the good work ;)
[15:43] <mac9416> Hehe
[15:43] <mac9416> It's about C++
[15:43] <mac9416> No biggie.
[15:43] <mac9416> Introductory stuff.
[15:43]  * wrst is no programmer its all greek to him
[15:43] <mac9416> Haha, that's cool.
[15:43] <mac9416> I got a math class until 12:15.
[15:44] <mac9416> I'll hop back on over lunch and catch up/
[15:44] <mac9416> Don't worry, I mean to be on plenty.
[15:44] <wrst> see you then mac9416!
[15:44] <mac9416> Cya!
[15:55]  * wesleystout seems to have lost his server
[17:27]  * cyberanger doesn't beleve it
[17:28] <cyberanger> mac9416
[17:32] <mac9416> wrst, lunchtime.  :-)
[17:33] <mac9416> wrst has left the building.
[17:44] <cyberanger> hey mac9416
[17:44] <cyberanger> how's it going?
[17:44] <mac9416> Hey, cyberanger! Greatish!   I gotta go make another class. :-/
[17:47] <mac9416> ttyiab
[17:47] <cyberanger> yeah, juggling work & projects
[17:47] <cyberanger> see ya soon I hope mac9416
[17:50] <wesleystout> cyberanger: what's up
[17:51] <cyberanger> not much
[17:51] <wesleystout> cyberanger: my server is offline... i'm worried i hope it is ok wondering around by itself
[17:51] <cyberanger> switched openvpn from tun to tap, glad I did that
[17:52] <cyberanger> ouch, power, bad dsl, buckshot, hrm?
[17:52] <wesleystout> cyberanger: i don't know
[17:52] <wesleystout> i suspect dsl our power is never off this long
[18:18] <wesleystout> good morning chris4585
[18:37] <wesleystout> chris4585: wb
[18:38] <chris4585> thanks wesleystout
[18:39] <wesleystout> chris4585: my server is offline... driving me nuts
[18:41] <chris4585> wesleystout, that sucks
[18:41] <chris4585> you have a vpn or something?
[18:41] <wesleystout> chris4585: no i just use quassel for irc and run my core on the server
[18:42] <wesleystout> i mean i do tunnel in via ssh on occassion if i'm needing to do much on my home network remotely
[18:42] <chris4585> ah
[18:44] <wesleystout> oh pidgin i don't like you!
[18:47] <Unit193> http://quassel-irc.org/pub/quassel-setup-0.8.0.exe
[18:49] <wesleystout> Unit193: i have that but wasn't wanting so many windows open
[18:49] <wesleystout> gotta get my server up and running this is cramping my style!
[18:51] <Unit193> Doesn't it minimize to tray?
[18:53] <Unit193> wesleystout: "Hide to system tray on close" ?
[18:53] <wesleystout> yes but its just not a good irc client :)
[19:53] <wesleystout> mac9416: wb
[19:53] <mac9416> Hi, wesleystout!
[19:54] <wesleystout> i was going to tell you earlier how you need to get always on irc... then my server went down...
[19:54] <mac9416> Just got done with classes for the day.
[19:54] <mac9416> lol
[19:54] <wesleystout> so i'm not mentioning anything :)
[19:54] <mac9416> Is it a virtual irc client service?
[19:55] <wesleystout> no its my server at home... i think my internet tanked
[19:55] <wesleystout> i run quassel-core on it
[19:58] <mac9416> Hmmm, what's quassel-core do?
[19:59] <wesleystout> it is what actually connects to irc, it runs on a server then you can run quasse-client on your linux, mac, windows machines to connect to the core
[19:59] <wesleystout> its sorta like a bouncer sorta like screen + irssi
[19:59] <wesleystout> all with a pretty gui
[19:59] <wesleystout> well the client the core is just there running
[20:00] <mac9416> Ah, that's pretty neat.
[20:00] <mac9416> My home internet's too sketchy to do that.
[20:01] <mac9416> I could plug one of those wall-socket computers in and just leave it here.
[20:01] <wesleystout> mine is generally pretty solid i fear there is something wrong with my modem or router
[20:01] <mac9416> Ah
[20:01] <mac9416> Expensive hardware problems stink.
[20:01] <wesleystout> i have a little atom machien running it does file/print serving etc for me
[20:02] <mac9416> Swet
[20:02] <wesleystout> but i may move to a raspberry pi i think it would do everything i'm currently doing in a lot nicer form factor
[20:02] <mac9416> Atom being the processor?
[20:02] <wesleystout> yes
[20:02] <mac9416> Nice.
[20:02] <mac9416> Rpi would be cool.
[20:02] <wesleystout> its an early one
[20:02] <mac9416> I looked at getting one a while back.
[20:02] <wesleystout> yeah i think i could use 2 of them and maybe replace what i have
[20:02] <mac9416> Sweet.
[20:03] <mac9416> I sank my money in a Sys76 for school.  :-)
[20:03] <wesleystout> mac9416: that is prettty cool my next laptop if i can will be one of those
[20:04] <mac9416> It's sweet.
[20:04] <mac9416> Battery only reaches 70% capacity, but they're sending a new one.
[20:04] <wesleystout> that's cool
[20:05] <mac9416> Cust. service has been awesome.
[20:05] <wesleystout> i run arch linux on my "desktop" type computers but i'm sure they wouldnt' mind if i didn't keep ubuntu on it :)
[20:05] <mac9416> Haha, nah.
[20:05] <mac9416> Why Arch?
[20:05] <wesleystout> well for one i just don't like unity, i prefer gnome shell and ubuntu's gnome shell just isn't good
[20:05] <chris4585> arch is amazing
[20:06] <mac9416> I might oughta try it.
[20:06] <mac9416> I'm loving Unity, tbh.
[20:06] <wesleystout> and well i really like arch for desktop it works nice no bloat unless you want bloat
[20:06] <chris4585> its a bit more advanced, manual install and setup
[20:06] <mac9416> That's a big plus.
[20:06] <wesleystout> mac9416: i have no real issue with unity but its jsut not my thing
[20:06] <mac9416> I'd survive.  ;-)
[20:06] <mac9416> Yeah, I get that.
[20:06] <wesleystout> but i run ubuntu one on arch etc so i have my cake and eat it too
[20:07] <chris4585> wesleystout, one thing I love about arch, is you don't have to question if anything is in the aur... it just is
[20:07] <wesleystout> but mac9416 that is mainly why i went to it and now that I'm there i see no reason to go back
[20:07] <wesleystout> chris4585: yep and no adding ppa's!!!
[20:07] <chris4585> indeed
[20:07] <mac9416> aur?
[20:07] <wesleystout> i think the aur is "cleaner" than ppas
[20:08] <wesleystout> mac9416: its sorta arch's version of ppas AUR = arch user repository
[20:08] <mac9416> Ah
[20:08] <chris4585> kind of like the community repo, its pretty well maintained too
[20:08] <wesleystout> software not included in the official repos is there but its not just thrown in with everything else you use a different tool to install use it etc
[20:08] <mac9416> Hm, that's cool.
[20:09] <wesleystout> but like the ppas sometimes packages get abandoned etc so its not perfect but its still nice
[20:09] <mac9416> A little counter-intuitive for an Ubuntu mind.
[20:09] <wesleystout> mac9416: i wouldn't suggest arch for my mom or anything and if i needed a system up and running quick i would use ubuntu
[20:09] <chris4585> one thing that is nice, anything popular like icons, or themes are usually uploaded to aur also
[20:10] <wesleystout> chris4585: ubuntu one is now in the official arch repos i think that is kinda neat :)
[20:10] <wesleystout> and there was work on unity i don't know how that is going
[20:10] <chris4585> wesleystout, oh? that is actually cool
[20:11] <chris4585> I don't really use ubuntu one though, or any cloud service
[20:11] <wesleystout> i'm fond of it and dropbox
[20:11] <wesleystout> also the ubuntone music store is avaialbe in rhythm box etc
[20:12] <wesleystout> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oSuQ5ICthI
[20:12] <wesleystout> that shows unity on arch
[20:14] <chris4585> wesleystout, you can get cinnamon now too, which is neat
[20:14] <chris4585> its probably been on arch for a while now
[20:14] <wesleystout> yes if you are into that sort of thing  chris4585 :p
[20:15] <chris4585> I'm not
[20:16] <wesleystout> cinnamon to me is a little silly when you the linux mint guys could have just used extensions to gnome shell to accomplish their goals
[20:16] <wesleystout> i think it would be interesting to see a distro take and make extensions to make gnome shell what they want it to be
[20:18] <chris4585> yeah
[20:18] <chris4585> that way they only have to kind of patch gnome to what they want and update their patch every gnome release
[20:19] <chris4585> BUT, one thing I do like is that they did fork nautilus 3.4, because nautilis 3.6 sucks...
[20:19] <chris4585> I'm glad the upgrade hasn't hit arch yet
[20:19] <chris4585> I really don't want to cross that road yet
[20:19] <wesleystout> i hear that is the case i haven't tried it yet
[20:20] <wesleystout> removing features seems silly
[20:21] <chris4585> it angers me honestly, I love gnome but really despise the devs
[20:21] <chris4585> they make stupid decisions sometimes :)
[20:22] <wesleystout> agreed chris4585!
[22:28] <wrst> ahhg


[14:32] <seb128> hey there, could anyone help me figuring out how ubiquity translations are working exactly?
[14:32] <seb128> in particular the UI from gui/gtk/ubiquity.ui
[14:32] <seb128> those are not in the translation template and the file is not in the po/POTFILES.in
[14:33] <seb128> it looks like debian/ubiquity.templates and debian/ubiquity.templates-imported have some of those strings
[14:33] <seb128> but I couldn't figure out how those files are used/updated and if the strings are supposed to be common
[15:08] <xnox> seb128:  strings are extraced into debian translation templates.... one place for it to be stripped, the otherone that persists and remains in the package, and then translations are queried from debconf and applied.
[15:08] <seb128> xnox, how does one do the 'extract to template' bits?
[15:08] <xnox> seb128:  but like some strings are "reused" from other places
[15:08] <xnox> seb128:  ./ubiquity/i18n.py
[15:09] <xnox> seb128:  not sure i remember. I try not to introduce new strings =)
[15:09] <cyphermox> oh my
[15:09] <seb128> :)
[15:09] <xnox> seb128:  i thought something like cd po/; make something =)
[15:09] <cyphermox> there was a trick to it, but I don't remember what it is
[15:09] <cyphermox> def some make command
[15:09] <seb128> that does extract thins from files listed in po/POTFILES.in (mainly the .desktop)
[15:10] <seb128> the po/ target
[15:10] <seb128> but gui/gtk/ubiquity.ui isn't handled like that
[15:10] <seb128> cjwatson, ^ do you maybe remember?
[15:10] <xnox> seb128:  oh
[15:10] <cjwatson> I think there's another .pot file for that
[15:10] <xnox> seb128:  i think ubiquity.ui one has to manually edit in the template with the matching template id under ubiquity/
[15:11] <xnox> unless that was the wrong way to do it.
[15:11] <cjwatson> That does not sound like a thing I would have done
[15:11] <seb128> it does look like it
[15:11] <seb128> cjwatson, no launchpad template is mentioning gui/gtk/ubiquity.ui atm
[15:11] <seb128> so it does look like the same strings do end up in debian/ubiquity.templates by some magic
[15:12] <seb128> or manual work
[15:12] <seb128> I can't really make sense of it though :/
[15:12] <seb128> I'm just trying to fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1731070
[15:12] <seb128> which in principle is easy, get '_Skip' in the template
[15:12] <seb128> or I could rename it 'Skip' which is existing/translated
[15:13] <seb128> but that would be a keyboard navigation regression
[15:13] <cjwatson> Is _Skip a GTK string?
[15:13] <seb128> let me look
[15:14] <cjwatson> Because if so you may just need to do 'make -C debian/imported-po update' with some variables set that it will tell you about
[15:14] <seb128> no, it's not
[15:15] <seb128> :(
[15:15] <xnox> it would be nice if it was, cause then the translation would be there for all languages
[15:15] <cjwatson> OK, so it does look as though somebody updated the string for progress_cancel_button in ubiquity.ui without modifying debian/ubiquity.templates
[15:16] <cjwatson> I guess it's possible those need to be kept in sync manually; maybe I couldn't figure out a better way to do it
[15:16] <seb128> is there some architecture document somewhere describing how those things are supposed to work? (I tried to look for one but without real luck)
[15:17] <cjwatson> I fear probably not
[15:18] <seb128> cjwatson, ok, so basically the fix is to edit
[15:18] <seb128> Template: ubiquity/text/progress_cancel_button
[15:18] <seb128> Type: text
[15:18] <seb128> _Description: Skip
[15:18] <seb128> to add the _
[15:18] <seb128> right?
[15:18] <cjwatson> I think so
[15:18] <cjwatson> Unfortunate but there you go
[15:19] <cjwatson> Would be nice if that were automatically extracted, which is surely possible
[15:19] <seb128> I don't understand ubiquity enough to know why that's not going through standard gtk translations/listing the .ui in po/POTFILES.in but I guess there is a reason
[15:19] <cjwatson> But maybe nobody wants to put that much effort into ubiquity
[15:19] <seb128> right, I doubt we are going to do that sort of changes on ubiquity at this point
[15:19] <cjwatson> I think it may have made sense in 2006
[15:19] <cjwatson> Otherwise, apologies
[15:19] <seb128> cjwatson, xnox, cyphermox, thanks for the replies/help!
[15:20] <seb128> xnox, good news is that this string exists/is translated in nautilus so we can probably just re-validate the translations which already exist on launchpad
[15:21] <xnox> seb128:  possibly we may want to import from that po/mo/etc ?
[15:23] <seb128> xnox, I think launchpad does know about the string existing in another template and then suggest the existing translation in the web UI
[15:23] <seb128> so we just need translators to go check and click the approve button
[15:23] <seb128> should be easy enough
[15:23] <xnox> seb128:  yes, but then one has to click on them, and rexport, and reimport, and reupload ubiquity
[15:23] <seb128> well, you will need an export/import anyway since it doesn't use langpacks...
[15:28] <xnox> seb128:  well, i have simply made ubiquity upload with a new templae and hand edited po files to include new string, base on prefetched processing using msggrep tooling before. To speed up coverage.
[15:28] <xnox> instead of doing ubiquity upload with 0 translations; then wait; then export; reimport 30 translations.
[15:28] <xnox> i did the upload with new string & 25 translations in place.
[15:29] <seb128> xnox, you mean in the past, or you just did for that _Skip one?
[15:29] <xnox> but yeah, possibly a false optimisation
[15:29] <xnox> seb128:  in the past when introducing a "new" string which has common translations elsewhere.
[15:29] <seb128> we have been living for ever with that string not translated, I don't think it's a big issue for 19.10
[15:29] <xnox> ah
[15:30] <seb128> but if someone want to do the msgmerge dance I will not stop them ;)
[15:30] <xnox> i vouched to never introduce new strings after it
[15:30] <seb128> good choice :)
[16:47] <seb128> xnox, cyphermox, https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/ubiquity/+git/ubiquity/+merge/373977 if you feel like reviewing/merging. The previous string was not matching the .ui so not translated so it doesn't regress translations and should be fine to include if we do another upload (which we will probably do before release)


[07:09] <dholbach> good morning
[11:39] <ahayzen> t1mp, Hey, I see that header.height doesn't work anymore, is there a replacement for this? or do we have to be more imaginative in our layouts :-)
[11:53] <t1mp> ahayzen: Page.header.height :)
[11:53] <ahayzen> \o/
[11:53]  * ahayzen tries that
[11:53] <t1mp> ahayzen: do you want to set it or only read it?
[11:53] <t1mp> ahayzen: there is new header API coming (some of it landed already, not all of it)
[11:53] <ahayzen> t1mp, read it, as some things have a topMargin of the header height
[11:53] <t1mp> ahayzen: Page now has a property Item header
[11:54] <ahayzen> before we were doing header.height .. and that is now failing for some reason
[11:54] <t1mp> ahayzen: so you can set that to anything you like, to get your own header. header: PageHeader { title: page.title } will give you the header that you know.
[11:54] <t1mp> ahayzen: since it is an item (parented to the Page), you could even anchor to it now
[11:54] <ahayzen> :-)
[11:55] <t1mp> ahayzen: I'm still finishing up some stuff for the new header, like automatic back buttons in a PageStack or AdaptivePageLayout
[11:55] <t1mp> and some things are finished but not yet landed (like header height synchronization between columns in an AdaptivePageLayout)
[11:55] <ahayzen> t1mp, oh cool :-) we still have that music-app convergence branch waiting for the bugs to be finished :-) did you see the video ?
[11:55] <t1mp> ahayzen: I should have it all done this week, and landed next week
[11:55] <ahayzen> sweet!
[11:55] <t1mp> ahayzen: no, which video?
[11:55] <t1mp> ahayzen: which bugs were those?
[11:56] <ahayzen> t1mp, Alan made it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3hmABdD7XU
[11:58] <ahayzen> t1mp, these were the bugs IIRC pad.lv/1492343 pad.lv/1489591 pad.lv/1489850 .. and we need the Header component to add head actions to the right sidebar
[12:03] <t1mp> ahayzen: I haven't worked on the sections bugs yet :( and I'm on holidays from next week
[12:03] <t1mp> this week I won't have time to do it
[12:03] <ahayzen> :-(
[12:04] <t1mp> zsombi: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1492343 is still in progress?
[12:04] <ahayzen> maybe i'll have to start hacking on the UITK again lol
[12:04] <t1mp> ahayzen: yes, sure :)
[12:04] <ahayzen> haha :-)
[12:04] <zsombi> t1mp: no, fix released :)
[12:04] <t1mp> ahayzen: faenil made a branch with Sections that includes scrolling of the sections. Maybe that branch solved it.
[12:04] <ahayzen> ooo
[12:04] <t1mp> zsombi: ok :) the bug status was not updated automatically
[12:04] <ahayzen> i haven't tried it in a while so maybe
[12:04] <zsombi> t1mp: yeah...
[12:05] <t1mp> ahayzen: talk to faenil about that branch. It is in my backlog to get it in UITK but it will take a while before I can start working on it
[12:05] <ahayzen> ok :-)
[12:05] <ahayzen> t1mp, will the Header component be done this week?
[12:06] <ahayzen> as its really the header component and the overflowing that are the major ones ... then the stack resetting to index 0 each time after that
[12:06] <t1mp> ahayzen: the PageHeader, yes.
[12:06] <ahayzen> cool :-)
[12:06] <ahayzen> t1mp, and this is all targeted for OTA8 right ?
[12:06] <t1mp> ahayzen: there will be updates in the future though (support for subtitle+icons, adaptive number of actions, visual tweaks)
[12:07] <t1mp> ahayzen: what's the date for OTA8?
[12:07] <ahayzen> erm 'soon'
[12:07] <t1mp> I think the PageHeader should land next week
[12:07] <ahayzen> ah cool that should be in it then :-)
[12:07] <t1mp> I just work hard to get it in our staging this week before I go on holidays :)
[12:07] <ahayzen> haha :-)
[12:09]  * t1mp lunchtime, bbl
[12:14] <jgdx> how is ubuntu app development on wily?
[12:15] <jgdx> any particularly annoying issues?
[13:31] <popey> balloons: do we still need to merge manually for weather? https://code.launchpad.net/~ahayzen/ubuntu-weather-app/fix-ap-tests-001/+merge/275335
[13:32] <ahayzen> popey, we don't merge manually ;-) i meant we don't have autopilot running on that
[13:32] <popey> well, we have had to manually merge some
[13:33] <popey> wasn't sure if weather was one
[13:33] <ahayzen> popey, all jenkins does is run pep8/pyflakes and then merge it for us :-) ... sorry i confused you
[13:33] <popey> heh
[13:33] <popey> I'm easily confused
[13:33] <ahayzen> it was weather and/or music before jenkins was linked to remix/reboot series
[13:33] <popey> also, I ran AP on that manually locally, so I'm happy to merge
[13:33] <ahayzen> \o/
[13:38] <ahayzen> bfiller, Hey, we added support for content-hub export in music a few weeks ago, is there any chance in getting bug 1268097 a milestone? you can see the implementation for the selection side from clock here https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/custom-alarm-sound/+merge/268499 which system-settings would be able to copy so it should be pretty simple todo :-)
[13:38] <popey> ahayzen: building new weather click...
[13:39] <popey> (with key)
[13:39] <ahayzen> popey, hehe thanks :-)
[13:41] <bfiller> ahayzen: looking
[13:41] <ahayzen> thanks :-)
[13:43] <snizzo> ahayzen: I'm more less having it working with Playlist element :) but I'm becoming really crazy
[13:44] <ahayzen> snizzo, awesome :-) it should hopefully get more stable in the coming weeks
[13:46] <bfiller> ahayzen: so the basic idea is system settings would allow you to set a custom ringtone by doing a content-hub import from music app?
[13:46] <bfiller> kenvandine: ^^^^
[13:47] <ahayzen> bfiller, yup, the way it works in clock is there is the list of built-in sounds.. then there is a custom button which opens content-hub import for music... it then imports that as an extra option to use for your alarm sound
[13:48] <ahayzen> something very similar for selecting the ringtone would be quite nice :-)
[13:49] <bfiller> ahayzen: makes sense, does it just play a segment of the song, or the whole thing? Not sure what would make sense for the ringtone - seems you'd need to pick the section of the song and then loop on that
[13:49] <ahayzen> bfiller, it just starts from the beginning, but thats up to the app end not music, we just export the whole thing
[13:49] <bfiller> ahayzen: right
[13:49] <bfiller> ahayzen: what does clock do?
[13:49] <ahayzen> you could start it at X seconds i guess, but all other phones i've seen just start it from the beginning
[13:49] <ahayzen> start from the beginning IIRC
[13:50] <bfiller> ahayzen: at least for phase 1 it could just start at beginning and play first 5 seconds and loop, in future allow selecting part of song would be good
[13:51] <ahayzen> i think it would be preferred to play the whole track? or until a hang up/pick up has been done? but then i'm not a designer ;-)
[13:51] <bfiller> ahayzen: that could work too I guess
[13:51] <ahayzen> as thats what clock as well and what other phones do
[13:51] <bfiller> ok
[13:52] <bfiller> ahayzen: it sounds pretty easy to do, ota8 queue is getting pretty full already I'll see if we have time and if not will schedule for ota9
[13:52] <ahayzen> bfiller, awesome thanks, try it with clock and see what you think :-)
[13:52] <bfiller> ahayzen: will do
[13:53] <bfiller> ahayzen: has clock and music app landed with that support yet?
[13:53] <ahayzen> bfiller, yup back in September
[13:53] <bfiller> great
[13:57] <kenvandine> bfiller, yeah
[14:05] <popey> ahayzen: okay, new weather click uploaded and set the qa task to ready for qa
[14:07] <balloons> ahayzen, this run doesn't have the network issues anymore (aka, it is actually running). https://core-apps-jenkins.ubuntu.com/job/adt-krillin/26/console
[14:08] <ahayzen> popey, sweet thanks :-) and balloons also awesome :-)
[14:08]  * ahayzen pretends he didn't just see a FAIL from AP ... ;-)
[14:09] <balloons> there's actually quite a few passes in there, not too bad
[14:09] <balloons> i need to make sure it's generating a subunit file artifact probably
[14:09] <ahayzen> i wouldn't be surprised if music had 1 or 2 failing
[14:11] <ahayzen> heh the test_pressing_prev_after_5_seconds one is failing
[14:11] <balloons> yea, just one failure. really, good stuff
[14:13] <ahayzen> :-)
[15:04] <mhall119> alexabreu: ping, do you have an api docs package for js scopes that I can start looking at importing?
[15:05] <alexabreu> mhall119, most likely today, the branch is pending +1ing
[15:05] <mhall119> alexabreu: cool, thanks
[15:05] <alexabreu> mhall119, https://code.launchpad.net/~abreu-alexandre/unity-js-scopes/doc/+merge/274488
[15:05] <alexabreu> mhall119, it needs a copyright update ...
[15:05] <mhall119> alexabreu: and will you be getting it into wily's archives, or will it go into xenial?
[15:06] <alexabreu> mhall119, x most likely, ... but avail from V onward from a ppa
[15:07] <mhall119> ok...pulling updates from a PPA will be difficult, I'm not sure how to identify "the latest version" from a PPA
[15:08] <mhall119> or a wget-able URL for those packages
[15:18] <dpm> mhall119, how did you install the ci-tool?
[15:20] <mhall119> citrain? I don't remember where I got that
[15:20] <dpm> or in other words, how did you install silo 22?
[15:22] <mhall119> dpm: looks like the ubuntu-sdk-team PPA is where I got it, phablet-tools-citrain
[15:24] <mhall119> oSoMoN: any idea why https://cdn.sencha.com/touch/sencha-touch-2.4.1/examples/kitchensink/index.html#demo/basiclist doesn't scroll in Oxide?
[15:26] <mhall119> hmmm, doesn't scroll in Chrome either, so maybe it's them that's broken
[15:26] <dpm> mhall119, ok, cool. Then the next step, how did you specify the silo?
[15:26] <dpm> $ citrain --help
[15:26] <dpm> usage: /usr/bin/citrain COMMAND SILO-NUMBER [DEVICE-PASSWORD]
[15:26] <dpm> SILO-NUMBER not a number
[15:26] <dpm> the "not a number" bit is a bit puzzling
[15:27] <mhall119> dpm: 022 is the silo number
[15:27] <oSoMoN> mhall119, if it doesn’t scroll in chrome either, there’s a good chance they’re broken indeed
[15:27] <mhall119> dpm: citrain device-upgrade 022 0000
[15:27] <oSoMoN> mhall119, is that on desktop or phone?
[15:27] <mhall119> is the command I use
[15:27] <mhall119> oSoMoN: both
[15:27] <mhall119> oSoMoN: scrolls properly in Firefox
[15:27] <dpm> mhall119, ok, thanks
[15:28] <mhall119> oSoMoN: some other UI components of the Sencha toolkit weren't working either, like sliders and toggles
[15:28] <oSoMoN> yeah, that page looks obviously broken
[15:29] <oSoMoN> it scrolls but when released springs back into place
[15:29] <oSoMoN> not an oxide bug I think
[15:29] <mhall119> ok, thanks
[15:30] <mhall119> dpm: you might need to manually apt-get install dmz-cursor-theme before running citrain
[15:30] <mhall119> if citrain removes Unity8 from your phone, that's the problem
[15:30] <dpm> ouch, so I better install it manually just in case
[15:31] <mhall119> unless the newest citrain tool has fixed it,yeah
[15:31] <mhall119> if you happen to remove unity8, you can reboot into recovery and re-flash the device
[15:31]  * mhall119 became good at that
[15:31] <mzanetti> popey, are we?
[15:31] <mzanetti> to meet or not to meet. that's the question :)
[15:31] <popey> mzanetti: indeed, in another meet right now...
[15:32] <mzanetti> ok, np
[16:00] <davaa> hello everyone
[16:01] <davaa> hi
[16:17] <snizzo> ahayzen: switching from Sequential to Loop and vice versa doesn't work :( but that bug was already present in the fixme
[16:23] <ahayzen> snizzo, yup it does seem to work if you wait for two EOS's
[16:23] <snizzo> eos?
[16:24] <ahayzen> or switching from shuffle to sequential
[16:24] <ahayzen> end of stream
[16:24] <snizzo> wait... You mean doing Sequential -> Shuffle -> Loop works?
[16:24] <ahayzen> snizzo, similar to #7 on my list ? https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xzI4D6knVJ6VmXxqJ2gyGSMowbtVVoNPgQl1fywim_U/edit
[16:25] <ahayzen> snizzo, oh yeah the onPlaybackModeChanged never happens as well, we bind to our actual setting.repeat/shuffle
[16:25] <ahayzen> jhodapp, ^^ that was another missing emit signal
[16:26] <jhodapp> ahayzen, that's already in the list if I remember correctly
[16:26] <ahayzen> jhodapp, yup think it is, just to confirm :-)
[16:26] <snizzo> however, Playlist now works in my app
[16:26] <ahayzen> \o/
[16:26] <jhodapp> snizzo, nice
[16:26] <snizzo> one thing I never understood is removeSource
[16:27] <snizzo> I found the src of QPlaylist class I think... and there was the c++ class but instead of source things were called "media"
[16:27] <snizzo> like addMedia() removeMedia()
[16:27] <jhodapp> snizzo, yeah they're not consistently named
[16:27] <jhodapp> in this instance, media and source are the same
[16:27] <snizzo> I just use addSource() and clear()
[16:27] <snizzo> and it works
[16:27] <jhodapp> if that gets the job done then great :)
[16:28] <snizzo> yes. Now, this implementation will remain the same until OTA8?
[16:29] <snizzo> in stable channel phones I mean, like factory e4.5 ubuntu
[16:29] <jhodapp> snizzo, yes in general, I might add to the API but the existing API items won't change
[16:29] <jhodapp> snizzo, also doing bug fixing behind-the-scenes
[16:30] <snizzo> my main fear is to have based some logic on bugs :P
[16:30] <snizzo> Windows ME approved
[16:30] <snizzo> thank you for having helped me btw
[16:31] <jhodapp> snizzo, you're welcome
[16:31] <jhodapp> glad it worked out
[20:20] <gh16ito> Hey all, I'm trying to fix a Mint applet to work with Cinnamon on Ubuntu, and I'm having a bit of trouble. This is the one I'm trying to update: https://github.com/robin92/cinnamon-power-applet/blob/master/power%40airlog.pisz.pl/applet.js#L39
[20:21] <gh16ito> One problem is that apparently the syntax is a bit different (I'm getting syntax errors if I run something like this: https://github.com/robin92/cinnamon-power-applet/blob/master/power%40airlog.pisz.pl/applet.js#L51 without putting each line in quotes with a concatenation operator between them, but that's at least taken care of.
[20:21] <gh16ito> The other problem is that, from what I gather, imports.dbus is deprecated (http://segfault.linuxmint.com/2014/08/attention-applet-desklet-extension-developers/)
[20:22] <gh16ito> So I need to convert from dbus.makeProxyClass to Gio.DBusProxy.makeProxyWrapper()
[20:22] <gh16ito> But when I do this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12896799/
[20:22] <gh16ito> I get the following error: "<interface> elements can only be embedded in <node> elements"
[20:22] <gh16ito> ANy thoughts?
[20:25] <gh16ito> The naive method of just wrapping it in <node></node> does not work.
[20:35] <gh16ito> Figured it out.


[07:47] <dholbach> good morning
[21:54] <bcurtiswx> so if i broke my LoCo drupal site, who can fix it ?
[21:55] <bcurtiswx> e-mail<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:57] <pleia2> bcurtiswx: if it's hosted by canonical, yes
[21:57] <bcurtiswx> pleia2, yup it's dc.ubuntu-us.org seems the theme I chose redirects to ubuntu.com (LOL)
[21:57] <bcurtiswx> pleia2, thanks
[21:57] <pleia2> oops :)