[12:01] <Curalton> not here
[12:02] <Curalton> yes, on hover they do appear
[12:02] <Curalton> "not here" @ "missing words"
[12:03] <mitsuhiko> Curalton: i only see strange symbols
[12:03] <sorush20> lol... not very chatty are we...hmmmm... just one questions... is there an open source program that backs up to DVDS and CDRW....
[12:03] <mitsuhiko> they sould be japanese signs
[12:03] <othernoob> sorush20: i already told you, k3b
[12:03] <Curalton> errr, yes. in konqueror indeed. works in opera mitsuhiko
[12:03] <othernoob> sorush20: or just use cli cdrecord
[12:04] <stibby> in kopete how do i allow chat invitations?
[12:05] <Curalton> mitsuhiko: also the webservers header "Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8" is correct, so file a konqueror bug :)
[12:06] <mitsuhiko> hm. the problem only exists in handling linked css files
[12:06] <mitsuhiko> look here: http://www.active-4.com/unicode.html
[12:07] <Curalton> uh, ok. im no html/css coder :)
[12:18] <cs378> hello
[12:19] <mitsuhiko> hi
[12:20] <cs378> anyone kno a good wifi application
[12:22] <mitsuhiko> Curalton: http://www.nwlink.com/~cheeth/bugs/unicode_test.html
[12:23] <mitsuhiko> you were right
[12:23] <mitsuhiko> its a damn konqueror bug
[12:25] <Jeezis> ok, how do i compile a .c file into a .so file?
[12:38] <malbicho> hola a todos
[12:44] <cartel_> hi guys
[12:44] <cartel_> does breezy have kde 3.5 testing?
[12:45] <malbicho> necesito ayuda con quanta
[12:46] <frank> malbicho: for spanish, check out #ubuntu-es
[12:47] <frank> (spanish, right?)
[12:48] <malbicho> sorry
[12:48] <malbicho> it is kubuntu-es, I love KDE
[12:49] <malbicho> ok, bye
[12:54] <McScruff> i mounted an iso into a folder, unmounted it but the files stayed in there and i cant delete them
[12:54] <McScruff> Read-only file system
[12:54] <McScruff> help
[12:56] <|rockinnerd|> McScruff, type mount
[12:56] <torz> hi, I'm running Kubuntu on AMD64 3000+ 2.0GHz but proc tells me its 1GHz...
[12:56] <McScruff> yep
[12:57] <McScruff> its still on that list
[12:57] <|rockinnerd|> well, try umounting it as root, then remounting it with -o rw
[12:58] <McScruff> mcscruff@ubuntu:~$ sudo umount /home/mcscruff/c-keysvc1.iso /home/mcscruff/iso
[12:58] <McScruff> umount: /home/mcscruff/iso: device is busy
[12:58] <torz> hi, I'm running Kubuntu on AMD64 3000+ 2.0GHz but proc tells me its 1GHz...
[12:58] <|rockinnerd|> McScruff, cd to a dir other than /home
[12:58] <|rockinnerd|> than do it
[12:58] <|rockinnerd|> like cd /bin ; umount /home/mcscruff/iso
[12:59] <McScruff> busy still
[12:59] <McScruff> and i dont have it open in any window
[01:00] <|rockinnerd|> uh...
[01:00] <McScruff> its crazy
[01:00] <othernoob> then try umount -f
[01:00] <|rockinnerd|> sudo fuser -k yourisomountpoint
[01:01] <McScruff> what will that do
[01:02] <|rockinnerd|> fuser will kill any process that's accessing that mountpoint
[01:02] <|rockinnerd|> umount -f forces the umount
[01:02] <McScruff> yey
[01:02] <McScruff> mcscruff@ubuntu:~$ sudo fuser -k /home/mcscruff/iso
[01:02] <McScruff> /home/mcscruff/iso:   9025
[01:02] <McScruff> then it unmounted fine
[01:02] <McScruff> ty
[01:03] <McScruff> what is 9025?
[01:03] <|rockinnerd|> process number
[01:03] <othernoob> its pid
[01:03] <|rockinnerd|> if you have to ask u prob don't wanna know
[01:04] <|rockinnerd|> ps aux shows all of the processes running on your computer, starting with /sbin/init, and all of their pids
[01:05] <|rockinnerd|> you know what's a fun way to cause a linux kernel panic? append init=/bin/sh to your kernel line in grub or lilo, reboot, then type exit at the shell prompt.  Fun stuff :)
[01:06] <othernoob> mmh, why does kaffeine keep running, even though it was closed a long time ago..
[01:07] <|rockinnerd|> killall -TERM kaffeine
[01:07] <othernoob> i know that
[01:07] <McScruff> ok new mounting iso problem
[01:07] <othernoob> i'm just wondering why it still appears in ps aux, even though i closed it like 2 hours ago..
[01:07] <|rockinnerd|> what is it McScruff
[01:08] <McScruff> gone to mount a new iso and it says mount: Not a directory
[01:09] <McScruff> mcscruff@ubuntu:~$ sudo mount *.iso /home/mcscruff/iso
[01:09] <McScruff> mount: px-bhd.iso is not a block device (maybe try `-o loop'?)
[01:09] <McScruff> mcscruff@ubuntu:~$ sudo mount *.iso /home/mcscruff/iso -o loop
[01:09] <McScruff> mount: Not a directory
[01:09] <McScruff> mcscruff@ubuntu:~$
[01:09] <|rockinnerd|> try it one at a time
[01:10] <McScruff> try what 1 at a time?
[01:10] <McScruff> oo i know why
[01:10] <|rockinnerd|> mounting the isos
[01:10] <McScruff> there is only 1
[01:10] <McScruff> i know why its not working
[01:10] <McScruff> it wont be able to extract them
[01:19] <Curalton> i usually do "mount -t iso9660 -o loop some.iso /empty/dir"
[01:25] <blackbird-fly> i install kubuntu in ubuntu hoary and my k button menu are all disorganized in program menu not like when you install kde on other distributions, i think gnome messed it up how to fix it please?
[01:32] <pax> blackbird-fly: you can set it up the way you like via kmenuedit
[01:34] <testmad> !kde
[01:34] <testmad> what is addy for kde upgrade?
[01:35] <crimsun> testmad: referenced in the topic
[01:36] <testmad> i'm using irssi and cannot see full topic
[01:36] <blackbird-fly> pax, thanks
[01:36] <testmad> can someone just copy and paste it for me?
[01:36] <apokryphos> testmad: can you just type /topic
[01:37] <testmad> thx
[01:38] <sorush20> anyone here know how to install KDA
[01:38] <sorush20> anyone here know how to install KDAR, back up utility
[01:41] <l-i-l> Hello, I have a problem with setup in egroupware
[01:41] <l-i-l> I think I need to turn globals on in php.ini but its read only & I can't change permissions
[01:42] <pax> sorush20: http://kdar.sourceforge.net/kdar-html-docs/compilation-and-installation.html
[01:43] <l-i-l> Can anyone help?
[01:44] <blackbird-fly> if i'm switching a user with ubuntu over to kubuntu, in addition to adding the hoary-kde-341 source listed in the topic, are there other sources to add from kubuntu.org too?
[01:44] <crimsun> possibly the koffice one if you want it
[01:45] <blackbird-fly> crimsun, thanks
[01:45] <dutch> evening crimsun :)
[01:46] <crimsun> evening dutch
[01:47] <l-i-l> Can anyone help me with the php.ini?
[01:47] <sorush20> pax, thanks for the tip.... I have been there.. and I can't resolve the problem.... I thinks its because ./configure can't find the KDE folder... I have pasted in the flood
[01:47] <pax> egroupware channel seems active.
[01:48] <testmad> what is option for dist upgrade
[01:48] <testmad> is it apt-get -u dist?
[01:49] <l-i-l> Yeah, but most linux I would have root access to, I doubt its a egroupware issue.
[01:49] <pax> sorush20: ./configure --help should tell you ho how to prefix
[01:50] <testmad> apokryphos: how do i update the distro?
[01:51] <sorush20> anyone here using kdar
[01:51] <apokryphos> testmad: did you add the new repositories? sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop will update all your KDE stuff
[01:51] <testmad> yes
[01:51] <testmad> but i need to do the distro upgrade first
[01:52] <pax> l-i-l: I lost you, you want to run something as root?
[01:52] <apokryphos> testmad: are you coming from Warty?
[01:52] <testmad> no
[01:52] <apokryphos> then you don't need to do it
[01:52] <testmad> this is fresh install
[01:52] <apokryphos> testmad: sudo apt-get upgrade will upgrade all packages that it can; and just for kubuntu  stuff: kubuntu-desktop
[01:53] <testmad> ok thx
[02:12] <Kovecses> hello
[02:15] <weridcreep> hello
[02:15] <weridcreep> how do i install my webcam
[02:32] <sorush20> Guys I keep getting this error... can someone help... it happens when I try to ./configure a package.... here is the error..   I posted it in the flood...... checking for KDE... configure: error:
[02:32] <sorush20> in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail.
[02:32] <sorush20> So, check this please and use another prefix!
[02:32] <frank> sorush20: you need some kde-dev packages
[02:33] <frank> install kdebase-dev
[02:33] <sorush20> thank you frank... hope it works...
[02:36] <sorush20> frank
[02:37] <frank> yeah?
[02:39] <weridcreep> what kernel does ubuntu use
[02:39] <sorush20> there is a problem... I get this after I make, then make install... .the configuration was good... its in the flood
[02:39] <sorush20> I think its 2.6
[02:39] <frank> weridcreep: 2.6.10
[02:39] <weridcreep> is the newest
[02:40] <sorush20> does anyone know if Ubuntu is going to incorporate SElinux
[02:40] <sorush20> i.e. Sexy, Easy Linux
[02:40] <frank> sorush20: I don't know
[02:40] <frank> lol
[02:41] <sorush20> Sick Egg Linux
[02:41] <weridcreep> what is SELinux?
[02:41] <sorush20> Silly Egg Linux
[02:42] <frank> not sure.. Secure something
[02:42] <sorush20> its actually ,,, Security Enhanced Linux,
[02:42] <sorush20> developed by the NSA,
[02:42] <sorush20> National Security Agency,
[02:43] <sorush20> you know.. the guys who can kill with out excuses..
[02:43] <weridcreep> i dont trust them
[02:43] <sorush20> I do..
[02:43] <weridcreep> i prepher gtg
[02:43] <weridcreep> pgp
[02:44] <frank> pgp is just encryption
[02:44] <weridcreep> and thats bad?
[02:45] <frank> no but its not the same thing as hardening a whole O
[02:45] <frank> S
[02:46] <weridcreep> i dont knwo
[02:46] <weridcreep> i dont trust anyone
[02:46] <sorush20> guys.. has anyone here worked on fixing a make error...
[02:46] <sorush20> here it is..
[02:46] <sorush20> archiveHandle.cpp: In member function `libdar::crypto_algo
[02:46] <sorush20>    archiveHandle::queryCryptoAlgorithm()':
[02:46] <sorush20> archiveHandle.cpp:222: error: `crypto_blowfish' undeclared in namespace `libdar
[02:46] <sorush20>    '
[02:46] <sorush20> make[2] : *** [archiveHandle.o]  Error 1
[02:46] <sorush20> make[2] : Leaving directory `/home/sam/Desktop/kdar-2.0.6/src'
[02:46] <sorush20> make[1] : *** [all-recursive]  Error 1
[02:46] <sorush20> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/sam/Desktop/kdar-2.0.6'
[02:46] <sorush20> make: *** [all]  Error 2
[02:47] <weridcreep> dont flood
[02:47] <sorush20> sorry..
[02:47] <weridcreep> its ok i dont care
[02:47] <sorush20> but you guys.. don't check the flood..
[02:47] <weridcreep> i just typed somethign u wouldnt get kicked
[02:47] <frank> sorush20: that doesn't tell me much
[02:47] <frank> was that from make?
[02:48] <sorush20> what more do you wana.. know..
[02:48] <sorush20> yes..
[02:48] <sorush20> it was from make..
[02:48] <frank> paste the whole thing in http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/
[02:51] <sorush20> all I'm trying to do is to.. install a backing up program that can write to a DVD,
[02:52] <sorush20> so I went for KDAR, I've searched for it in the synaptic but its not there so I have to do things manually..
[02:52] <sorush20> there is a backup program on the KDE Ubuntu,its Konserve, and it not able to write to a DVD or what else..
[02:52] <sorush20> could someone please help ... I would reallly appreciate any help.. thanks..
[02:53] <frank> Yeah I don't know much about backup programs
[02:53] <sorush20> I don't want to back up much maybe just a DVD...
[02:53] <sorush20> in size
[02:54] <frank> would just a regular burning program do?
[02:54] <sorush20> yea... it look like it..
[02:54] <sorush20> I can use k3b,,
[02:55] <sorush20> fine.. but when you think about it you have to erase a DVDRW manually, eachtime.. write a session...  maybe I'm just being a little too picky.. but its a very good idea don't you think to have it done for you automatically...
[02:57] <frank> yeah. I just don't do backups often enough to use dvdrw anyways
[02:58] <sorush20> I'm trying to do.. because I just lost all my data .. recently.. including photos.. and a load of other data archived..
[02:58] <frank> that  sucks
[03:00] <sorush20> I'm probebly going to buy a HDD and just use it as back up..
[03:01] <frank> either that or there are online backup services that let your store data for a fee
[03:04] <Jeezis> anyone have a recommendation for a good c/c++ ide?
[03:04] <frank> I don't know them but there are eclipse and kdevelop
[03:05] <Jeezis> i have kdevelop but for some reason it isn't letting me start a new project or debug and compile any .c files i have already
[03:05] <Jeezis> ok, might as well see what eclipse has to offer
[03:07] <Jeezis> hmm, eclipse doesnt seem to be in my package list
[03:07] <sorush20> jeezie.. more repositories maybe..
[03:08] <Jeezis> hrm, i thought i added all the repositories, but i could have missed some
[03:09] <frank> Jeezis: I think its called eclipse anyways
[03:10] <supernix>   Why is it the junk mail controls never work in thunderbird ?
[03:12] <Jeezis> frank: thanks, i found it online, i'll download and install it from source i suppose
[03:12] <Jeezis> i have no idea why kdevelop is giving me trouble though
[03:13] <sorush20> guys you'll be interested to know "open source", is not that far behide "Microsoft" Just do a google search on "open source" there are 212,000,000 results, and for "Microsoft"  247,000,000 results.. Keep up the good work.. guys.. ha ha ha .. ho ha ha ha.....:-D
[03:13] <frank> Jeezis: you're on your own, all I know are the names. kdevelop is in the repositories though\
[03:15] <Jeezis> hmm, i'll see if i can figure out why kdevelop isnt working
[03:23] <ralph1> apokryphos: hi
[03:24] <apokryphos> hi ralph1
[03:25] <dutch> crimsun: you busy ?
[03:25] <crimsun> dutch: what's up?
[03:26] <dutch> evening...the other night I saw you tell some one how to upgrade to 686....
[03:26] <ralph1> apokryphos: Well finally got the backport deb uploaded, the konq transfer did not work, so tried ftp from commandline that did not work, seem the ~was the problem as soon as it was replaced with dash ftp transfered the file.
[03:26] <dutch> mind telling me too
[03:26] <crimsun> dutch: sure, use Kynaptic to install linux-686
[03:26] <crimsun> dutch: (or use aptitude/apt-get/dselect)
[03:26] <apokryphos> ralph1: so it worked? Cool.
[03:26] <dutch> ok, I'll try kynaptic  first :)
[03:27] <apokryphos> ralph1: you could always do scp too, if you had ssh access btw..
[03:27] <apokryphos> dutch: other KDE graphical frontends to apt includes KPackage (my preferred GUI option)
[03:27] <ilba7r> hi just wanted to know the status of wine before installing it i used it once and it was broken so any one used the new one?
[03:28] <hussam> I had a sudden power off. how can I check the hard disk for errors?
[03:30] <ralph1> apokryphos: do not have that type of access. For most part sourceforge incoming access is anonymous. After file is there a developer that has to move to project site repo. What I did not know was that the tilde in the file name was preventing it from uploading.
[03:30] <sorush20> could someone help me with a make error I keep getting..
[03:30] <apokryphos> ralph1: Not sure why it would, but hey. You can just change the name after uploading it, I guess.
[03:31] <sorush20> I've pasted it in the flood..
[03:31] <sorush20> I'm at a dead end..
[03:31] <dutch> crimsun: guess I better re-boot this thing next
[03:32] <crimsun> dutch: yep
[03:32] <dutch> see ! learning something every time I talk to you :)
[03:32] <apokryphos> hussam: I believe e2fsck is the command -- you might need to add some options in there. Check the man page
[03:32] <dutch> brb
[03:32] <ralph1> apokryphos: That is what I am hoping happens. Do not want to break the ability to seamlessly update when program gets in to main repositories. This was just a short cut to get wider access to the file.
[03:33] <apokryphos> ralph1: why du want a tilde in the title, anyhow?
[03:36] <ralph1> apokryphos: The file is a backport of Kmymoney2 version 0.7.4 which was done for me by seth. From what he said and I have read, the tilde is need to allow updating to work correctly when the program/file makes it to main repositories. In at least one case on of my backported files that seth made did get updated with the same version from the main repos. So the tilde works.
[03:37] <hussam> apokryphos:  can I force a check on next reboot?
[03:37] <apokryphos> ralph1: oh
[03:38] <apokryphos> hussam: perhaps, but I wouldn't know how (sorry). Perhaps try #ubuntu or #debian
[03:38] <TestMAD> that sux
[03:39] <TestMAD> had to reinstall kubuntu..and im getting errors all over for some wierd reason
[03:39] <TestMAD> never had this happen before
[03:40] <Jeezis> TestMAD: yeah, it took me a few installs to get everything just right
[03:40] <Jeezis> but that was more due to my impatience than to actual errors
[03:40] <hussam> apokryphos: ok thanks, brb
[03:40] <apokryphos> Why, guys? You shouldn't ever really have to do a fresh install
[03:41] <ralph1> apokryphos: The file was named kmymoney2_0.7.4-0ubuntu1~5.04ubp1_i386.deb, I guess with out the tilde part it would never get up dated with a file same version from main repositories.
[03:41] <apokryphos> Surely just putting a higher version, i.e. ubuntu2 would do it
[03:43] <ralph1> apokryphos: I suppose so, but I am really light on knowledge in this area and new to Kunbutu/debian stuff.
[03:43] <apokryphos> :)
[03:44] <ralph1> apokryphos: well off to supper now.
[03:45] <TestMAD> well..i never had problems installing the first 4 or five times
[03:45] <TestMAD> just this one
[03:45] <TestMAD> and i dont know y..
[03:45] <TestMAD> but owell..i feel like playin act of war right now so itll wait till tomorrow
[03:46] <apokryphos> TestMAD: why have you installed 5 times? :|
[03:47] <TestMAD> well..messed up a few times
[03:47] <TestMAD> and wanted cleanest install i could get..
[03:48] <TestMAD> then upgrading kernel to k7
[03:48] <TestMAD> the nvidia.com drivers caused me some headaches..
[03:48] <apokryphos> all you need to do is fix that problem; fresh install shouldn't really be an options
[03:48] <TestMAD> and so..
[03:48] <TestMAD> well..i was also learning
[03:48] <TestMAD> so.
[03:48] <TestMAD> i dunno
[03:49] <TestMAD> i gotta do a frsh install anyways now..
[03:49] <apokryphos> Surely the better learning method is to attempt to fix the error, not ignore it and start again :)
[03:49] <TestMAD> cus its totally screwed.
[03:49] <TestMAD> yes and no.
[03:49] <TestMAD> if you learn to do it right the first time..then you dont need to learn how to fix it
[03:49] <apokryphos> You're not really going to gain anything, learning-wise by doing a fresh install
[03:49] <apokryphos> precisely, but tha tevades the problem, it doesn't tackle it
[03:50] <TestMAD> all i know is that kde didnt upgrade right..
[03:50] <TestMAD> and grub has 2 of everything listed
[03:50] <apokryphos> how so? What's the problem?
[03:51] <TestMAD> dunno..im in xp now..i gave up for now. its late and i dont really feel like messing with it.maybe tomorrow morning i will takle it
[03:51] <TestMAD> cus i can fix the kde issue
[03:51] <TestMAD> just try to do the upgrade again
[03:52] <TestMAD> and ass far as grub..
[03:52] <TestMAD> just read the docs on it so i can fix the menu
[04:04] <Master-Yoda> ls
[04:04] <Master-Yoda> hey
[04:05] <Master-Yoda> why wont kubuntu reconize my usb portable drive
[04:05] <crimsun> is scsi_mod loaded?
[04:05] <Master-Yoda> how do i load.
[04:05] <crimsun> check if it's loaded first.
[04:05] <crimsun> lsmod|grep ^scsi_mod
[04:06] <Master-Yoda> yes
[04:06] <Master-Yoda> and sd_mod and usb_storage
[04:06] <Master-Yoda> we tried to diffrent ones
[04:06] <crimsun> what does dmesg tell you about thdevice?
[04:07] <Master-Yoda> memorax or scandisk
[04:07] <Master-Yoda> write protection off
[04:07] <Master-Yoda> wating for device to settle
[04:09] <Master-Yoda> anyone
[04:09] <Master-Yoda> night
[04:10] <delltony> patience gets you everywhere in life some folks never seem to learn that :(
[04:18] <troy> how was the kubuntu install disk created? I'd like to derive from it,but with kernel 2.6.11 -- I need it for SATA support on my chipset...
[04:18] <dooglio> for example, "different ones, we tried"
[04:18] <dooglio> and "off is the write protection"
[04:19] <dooglio> "for the device to settle we wait"
[04:24] <spermie_411> how would i install this file : ? superkaramba-0.37-RC1.tar.gz
[04:27] <apokryphos> spermie_411: untar then compile form source; view the INSTALL file for info on that
[04:27] <delltony> spermie_411, tar xvzf super.... whatever then if it has inside of it a configure file then ./configure
[04:27] <delltony> then make
[04:27] <delltony> checkinstall
[04:31] <spermie_411> delltony did you ever figure out how to rip xvid?
[04:42] <delltony> spermie_411, yeah installed transcode/ripmake and wrote a php script to do it in real time
[04:52] <spermie_411> delltony?
[04:52] <spermie_411> can u go in to #flood for a sec?
[05:27] <ricosuave17> has anyone ever used guinstaller?
[05:40] <esac_> hi, i have a wireless card. I have it set to DHCP. it doesn't seem to grab an ip address though (and no dns). if i set it up for static ip, it works. however the odd part is that when i have kcontrol open and on the network settings, it CAN grab an address and nameservers via DHCP .. any ideas ?
[05:42] <cs378> i need help with openGL in KInfoCenter
[05:42] <cs378> once i click on OpenGl, i get the crash thing
[05:42] <cs378> how do i fix that
[05:42] <cs378> i just instlled fglrx
[05:42] <cs378> i did, fglrxinfo, n it showed fine
[05:59] <Jeezis> umm, is there any reason why kinfocenter is showing mycpu mhz as 530.048 when it is a 1.79 ghz chip?
[06:00] <Jeezis> should i even be worried?
[06:01] <pax> what does cat /proc/cpuinfo say?
[06:05] <cs378> hi ppl, i just did apt-get install tuxkart -- how do i get to run this game? help plz wanna test my 3d acc on ati
[06:05] <Jeezis> same thing
[06:05] <Jeezis> but it's listed as an i686 processor
[06:05] <pax> Jeezis: AMD chip?
[06:05] <Jeezis> yup
[06:06] <Jeezis> athlon xp-m
[06:06] <pax> lpptop?
[06:06] <Jeezis> indeed
[06:06] <pax> 'proly just too hot
[06:06] <Jeezis> hp ze4420us to be exact :-p
[06:07] <Jeezis> 51c is what acpi -t is giving me
[06:07] <Jeezis> but it has been known to be wrong
[06:07] <pax> gotta more than that man, those suckers get really hot in a small closed space with not enough air flow
[06:07] <verden01> hey
[06:09] <pax> you just need to place it in the fridge when not in use :p
[06:13] <tech> hey, i have problems getting kubuntu to display foreign characters properly in some applications.
[06:13] <tech> in my previous distro this worked fine with exactly the same settings
[06:15] <pax> cs378: I'm playing that game :p can't run it from console?
[06:15] <TestMAD> what game?
[06:16] <pax> tuxkart
[06:16] <TestMAD> i never got tuxkart to work
[06:16] <kakalto> tuxkart...
[06:17] <pax> it's awesome, played better with icecream
[06:18] <kakalto> I prefer SuperTux
[06:18] <TestMAD> nah..pingus
[06:18] <Jeezis> those are both good
[06:19] <TestMAD> neverball rocks
[06:19] <Jeezis> frozen bubble is good too
[06:19] <TestMAD> yea
[06:19] <Jeezis> and blob wars
[06:20] <Jeezis> hell, i threw kubuntu on my laptop solo and the only thing i thought i'd miss were games, but there are more than enough linux games out there to keep me occupied
[06:21] <pax> ugh finished 4th :(
[06:21] <tech> how do i configure ubuntu again? i want to change the charset.
[06:21] <TestMAD> theres lots of them.
[06:21] <TestMAD> where do you go to find them?
[06:21] <TestMAD> i goto linuxtome
[06:23] <Jeezis> happypenguin.org
[06:23] <Jeezis> that has every single open source/ported/anything game
[06:23] <Jeezis> plus good descriptions and usually very honest reviews
[06:24] <Jeezis> think tuxcart would run decent if i'm averaging about 310fps on glxgears?
[06:27] <TestMAD> i run bout 350
[06:27] <bjv> ive run the nvidia installer and built the driver module. it works, but i dont know how to get it to load on boot.
[06:28] <bjv> how do you do that in kubuntu 5.04?
[06:28] <TestMAD> it should be automatic
[06:28] <TestMAD> but i think you have to remove the glx driver tho
[06:28] <TestMAD> nt sure
[06:28] <bjv> after finishing the compile/install and starting X it works
[06:29] <bjv> glxgears, ogl acceleration in games, whole 9 yards.
[06:29] <bjv> but after reboot. nothing, just segmentation errors when running glxgears.
[06:29] <TestMAD> ive never been able to compile the drivers
[06:29] <bjv> mm
[06:29] <TestMAD> i just use the ubuntu ones
[06:30] <TestMAD> there's lots of stuff about the nvidia ones in the forums
[06:30] <TestMAD> did you check there?
[06:30] <bjv> i was talking to some of the guys in #nvidia
[06:31] <TestMAD> i dunno..wish i could help more..
[06:31] <TestMAD> im actually gonna try the nvidia drivers again tomorrow
[06:32] <TestMAD> cant wait for nvidia to incorporate sli into them
[06:32] <TestMAD> that will be awesome
[06:33] <TestMAD> transparency in kde will be super smooth and still not hurt gaming that much
[06:33] <bjv> you couldnt compile them?
[06:33] <TestMAD> nah
[06:34] <bjv> it was pretty easy on 5.04, i just 'uname -r'ed up my kernel version
[06:34] <TestMAD> i dont understand that
[06:34] <TestMAD> i was trying the way that the installer was telling me to do it..
[06:35] <Jeezis> TestMAD: bah! who follows instructions ;)
[06:35] <TestMAD> hehe
[06:35] <TestMAD> me..if i want stuff to werk right
[06:45] <goldfish> can u re-generate the kde menu w/out restarting kde ?
[06:46] <bjv> does kappfinder do what you want?
[06:48] <goldfish> hmmm
[06:48] <goldfish> not sure, well if i install omething via apt-get, can u get it onto the menu w/out restarting kde?
[06:48] <goldfish> *something
[06:48] <bjv> run kappfinder
[06:49] <goldfish> kk
[06:49] <goldfish> thanks
[06:50] <tech> what would you say would be the main differences beetween kubuntu and debian?
[06:51] <goldfish> lots of things i would imagine
[06:52] <goldfish> i think they take a snapshot of debian unstable , and build it from that
[06:53] <tech> yeah but could you explain any practical differences?
[06:56] <goldfish> i cant im afraid
[06:56] <goldfish> its more user friendly  suppose
[06:56] <goldfish> and is updated more frequent
[06:56] <TestMAD> lots more friendly ppl
[06:57] <goldfish> yep
[06:57] <tech> why cant ubuntu/kubuntu simply give me a option whetever to use kde or gnome, and all the others, instead of having two seperate distros??
[06:58] <goldfish> well if u install ubuntu
[06:58] <goldfish> u can apt-get kubuntu-dektop
[06:58] <goldfish> *desktop
[06:58] <goldfish> and choose at login
[06:58] <goldfish> i dunno why they did 2 distros
[06:58] <TestMAD> can you do that with fluxbox?
[06:58] <goldfish> gnome sucks though
[06:58] <goldfish> TestMAD: yes.
[06:59] <goldfish> and xfce
[06:59] <goldfish> and enlightenment
[06:59] <TestMAD> prolly cus it uses a different type of login that kubuntu does..i dunno
[06:59] <goldfish> yeah
[06:59] <TestMAD> can you do tha same with kubuntu?
[06:59] <goldfish> it uses gdm i think
[06:59] <goldfish> sure
[06:59] <TestMAD> how?
[06:59] <goldfish> just install the login manager ubuntu uses
[06:59] <goldfish> i'd assume
[07:00] <TestMAD> ah
[07:00] <TestMAD> ok
[07:00] <goldfish> well, graphical login manager i should say :)
[07:05] <xt4mhz> Hi...need some help with Americas Army...I think found a bug :S
[07:09] <Velcan> clear
[07:09] <xt4mhz> Velcan...
[07:09] <xt4mhz> are you there?
[07:10] <Velcan> yes sorry about that ... intended to do /clear ...
[07:10] <xt4mhz> no problem...my friend I have an issue with Americas Army..do you know it?
[07:10] <Velcan> I don't
[07:10] <Velcan> Only game I play is WoW ... =D
[07:11] <xt4mhz> oh...sorry :(....Do you like to play?...
[07:11] <xt4mhz> Oh!...perfect...I just need to set a game here...its a challenge :D
[07:11] <xt4mhz> WoW is?
[07:11] <Velcan> ?
[07:12] <Velcan> WoW is what?
[07:12] <elad_> I can't go directly on IRC, I have to "host <severname>" and use the IP address. Help?
[07:12] <xt4mhz> yes...what does it mean?
[07:12] <esac_> world of warcraft .. EVERYBODY knows that :)
[07:12] <Velcan> oh :P World of Warcraft
[07:13] <Velcan> :)
[07:13] <xt4mhz> sorry...Iam old :D
[07:13] <Velcan> hehe
[07:13] <xt4mhz> where can I get it?
[07:13] <elad_> Also: How do I change my machine's hostname?
[07:13] <esac_> WoW ? buy it .. only way
[07:13] <xt4mhz> elad_ do you read spanish?
[07:13] <Velcan> yea. it's a commercial game ... Blizzard.com
[07:14] <Dorfl> xt4mhz, unfortunately no.
[07:14] <xt4mhz> What 3d game do you recommend?
[07:14] <Dorfl> Hitman 1&2, but definitely not Contracts.
[07:14] <goldfish> Dorfl: edit /etc/hostname
[07:14] <esac_> elad_$ sudo hostname -v <hostname>
[07:14] <xt4mhz> Oh...I have a good webpage where you can find how to change hostname.
[07:15] <xt4mhz> Does Hitman run in Linux?
[07:15] <Dorfl> No idea.
[07:15] <Dorfl> goldfish, how do I make the change come into effect now?
[07:16] <Velcan> Good 3d games that run natively in linux that i know of whould be any of the unreal tournaments .... or anything by id
[07:16] <xt4mhz> I am looking for a 3d game that runs in Linux kubuntu.
[07:16] <Velcan> for games that are partial to windoze :( look into cedega ... www.transgaming.com
[07:16] <xt4mhz> Too bad enterprises dont see the benefits developing game sfor linux :S
[07:16] <TestMAD> xt4mhz: http://www.happypenguin.org/
[07:17] <TestMAD> go there..lots of games
[07:17] <Dorfl> Guys?
[07:17] <xt4mhz> cool!..thanks!..
[07:17] <TestMAD> Dorfl: reboot
[07:17] <cs378> u guys think i should install antivirus/.
[07:17] <cs378> '?
[07:18] <xt4mhz> ????
[07:18] <xt4mhz> linux??
[07:18] <Velcan> ...
[07:19] <esac_> http://www.f-secure.com/products/anti-virus/linux/
[07:19] <Dorfl> Thanks. Now, what about my DNS problem? Why can't I go on this server (any sever) with "server irc.freenode.net" and have to "hostname irc.freenode.net" and then "/server <ip address>" instead?
[07:20] <TestMAD> did you try /server irc.freenode.net 6667 ?
[07:21] <Dorfl> Tried it now, to no avail.
[07:21] <insanekane> someone should package the happypenguin games for kubuntu :)
[07:21] <TestMAD> some are already there
[07:21] <TestMAD> supertux..
[07:21] <TestMAD> pingus
[07:21] <TestMAD> neverball
[07:21] <insanekane> aha
[07:22] <TestMAD> frozenbubble
[07:22] <TestMAD> theres lots there
[07:22] <TestMAD> glTron
[07:22] <Dorfl> Also - I'm downloading a driver for my Radeon. Why isn't it on Kynaptic, and which should it be from ati.com then? The "ATI Driver Installer" or the "X.Org 6.8" download? I'm on Kubuntu 5.04.
[07:22] <TestMAD> and the other one thats almost just like it
[07:22] <insanekane> whats the full form of MMORPG ?
[07:23] <xt4mhz> Dorfi...did you update you sources.list?
[07:23] <TestMAD> massively multiplayer online role play game
[07:23] <Dorfl> Dorfl
[07:23] <Dorfl> Yes.
[07:24] <insanekane> TestMAD: oh ok :) thx
[07:24] <xt4mhz> is CEDEGA free?
[07:24] <TestMAD> yes and
[07:24] <TestMAD> no
[07:24] <insanekane> probably not
[07:25] <insanekane> i think its a wine derivative ?
[07:25] <TestMAD> cedega is from winex
[07:25] <insanekane> wine distribution ?
[07:25] <TestMAD> and winex is free.
[07:25] <goldfish> u can build your own version
[07:25] <insanekane> TestMAD: its a pre-configured version of wine isnt it ?
[07:25] <TestMAD> but..the thing with cedega is the point2play..you gotta pay for that..
[07:25] <TestMAD> i think it is pre configured
[07:25] <Dorfl> Help?
[07:26] <TestMAD> i got cedega around here somewhere...but i wont use it anyways
[07:26] <insanekane> help on what ?
[07:26] <TestMAD> ill just dual boot.
[07:26] <goldfish> i just stopped playing games, didnt like cedega
[07:26] <TestMAD> the games and apps i use dont like it anyways
[07:26] <xt4mhz> i would like to try it.....
[07:27] <TestMAD> google winex
[07:27] <TestMAD> theres also wine
[07:27] <goldfish> i have a .deb if u want of cedega
[07:27] <xt4mhz> which one is better?
[07:27] <TestMAD> i dont think thats legal
[07:27] <xt4mhz> cool!....deb is good for me...
[07:27] <goldfish> hmm, actually.
[07:27] <goldfish> i never said that.
[07:28] <xt4mhz> what is no legal?
[07:28] <TestMAD> distributing cedega .deb
[07:28] <TestMAD> only cvs can be distributed..i think
[07:28] <goldfish> indeed
[07:29] <xt4mhz> ok...how did you get it?
[07:29] <insanekane> TestMAD: but what if someone makes a .deb from the cvs source ?
[07:30] <goldfish> google
[07:30] <TestMAD> i dunno..
[07:30] <TestMAD> i think it may be ok..ive never read the liscense for it
[07:31] <xt4mhz> how much it weights?
[07:31] <insanekane> xt4mhz: about a ton
[07:31] <insanekane> xt4mhz: so you will have to pay big time for S&H
[07:32] <Dorfl> How do I install ati-driver-installer-8.14.13.run?
[07:32] <TestMAD> umm..cedega is a download i think..
[07:32] <TestMAD> and you gotta pay 5$ a month
[07:32] <goldfish> Dorfl: run it
[07:32] <goldfish> you pay for support
[07:32] <Dorfl> How
[07:32] <Dorfl> +?
[07:32] <insanekane> Dorfl: open a Konsole, and run it by typing the name
[07:32] <goldfish> Dorfl: chmod +x
[07:32] <goldfish> then, sh ati.....bin
[07:32] <Dorfl> -su: ati-driver-installer-8.14.13.run: command not found
[07:33] <Dorfl> ah
[07:33] <goldfish> eh
[07:33] <Dorfl> chmod
[07:33] <goldfish> yes.
[07:33] <bjv> can i get a quick favor from an nvidia card user?
[07:33] <bjv> what should /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-kernel-nkc   look like?
[07:33] <insanekane> bjv: no :)
[07:33] <bjv> ive got 1 line...
[07:33] <xt4mhz> or "sh filename"
[07:33] <bjv> i think there should be 2.
[07:33] <goldfish> u dont just type the name
[07:33] <insanekane> POKEY !!
[07:33] <goldfish> u do ./blah or sh blah
[07:34] <goldfish> bjv: alias char-major-195* nvidia
[07:34] <goldfish> is what i have
[07:34] <bjv> :(
[07:34] <bjv> k
[07:34] <bjv> thx
[07:35] <goldfish> np
[07:35] <xt4mhz> GL installing a video driver :D
[07:35] <Dorfl> [Message]  Kernel Module : Trying to install a precompiled kernel module.
[07:35] <Dorfl> [Message]  Kernel Module : Precompiled kernel module version mismatched.
[07:35] <Dorfl> [Error]  Kernel Module : No kernel module build environment - please consult readme.
[07:36] <xt4mhz> install sources of your kernel.
[07:36] <Dorfl> ?
[07:36] <TestMAD> prolly headers too
[07:37] <goldfish> is there a binary driver install howto on the wiki?
[07:37] <goldfish> ? binary
[07:37] <TestMAD> for the ubuntu drivers?
[07:37] <goldfish> hmm
[07:37] <TestMAD> for those:
[07:37] <goldfish> for his ati thingies
[07:37] <TestMAD> oh..
[07:37] <TestMAD> !ati
[07:37] <ubotu> somebody said ati was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:38] <TestMAD> there you go
[07:38] <goldfish> Dorfl: take a look at that
[07:38] <goldfish> TestMAD: ty
[07:38] <Dorfl> k
[07:38] <TestMAD> np
[07:38] <TestMAD> if any nvidia ppl want the nvidia ones..
[07:38] <TestMAD> !nvidia
[07:38] <ubotu> methinks nvidia is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:38] <xt4mhz> make backup of xorg.
[07:39] <TestMAD> im kinda helpfull for only being exposed to linux for 2 weeks
[07:39] <TestMAD> hehehe
[07:40] <goldfish> cool
[07:40] <TestMAD> OUCH!
[07:40] <goldfish> kubuntu first distro?
[07:40] <insanekane> ;)
[07:40] <TestMAD> dont do that..
[07:40] <TestMAD> no
[07:40] <TestMAD> DSL was firsst
[07:40] <xt4mhz> damn my Amercias Army freezes in Obstacle Course level :S:..no idea  whats going on.
[07:40] <TestMAD> but didnt really get into it that much
[07:40] <Dorfl> Crap, I think the Israeli ubuntu mirror is down.
[07:40] <goldfish> ah right
[07:41] <insanekane> DSL ?
[07:41] <TestMAD> i just couldnt find my win95 cd for an old laptop
[07:41] <TestMAD> damn small linux
[07:41] <insanekane> ah
[07:41] <goldfish> can run in ram!
[07:41] <TestMAD> no..
[07:41] <TestMAD> just had a 3GB harddrive
[07:42] <TestMAD> and it was a p133
[07:42] <TestMAD> with 128MB ram
[07:42] <TestMAD> OLD paperweight
[07:42] <TestMAD> 98 was just a little too slow on it.
[07:43] <TestMAD> but DSL is a livecd
[07:43] <TestMAD> so my whole HD could be used for whatever
[07:43] <TestMAD> it was mainly used as an mp3 player in my car
[07:43] <goldfish> indeed.
[07:43] <goldfish> livecd's are handy
[07:43] <TestMAD> yea..
[07:43] <goldfish> i need to get a usb stick drive to stick a custom live cd on it
[07:43] <TestMAD> i wanna get a little thumbdrive
[07:43] <goldfish> would be handy
[07:43] <Dorfl> root@dorfldorfldorfl:/home/elad # apt-get install fglrx-driver
[07:43] <Dorfl> Reading package lists... Done
[07:43] <Dorfl> Building dependency tree... Done
[07:43] <Dorfl> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Pac                                                                            kages (/var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_main_binary-i
[07:43] <TestMAD> and put linux on it
[07:43] <goldfish> indeed
[07:44] <Dorfl> and so on
[07:44] <Dorfl> What's wrong?
[07:44] <TestMAD> paste it at pastebin.com and give us the link
[07:45] <Dorfl> http://pastebin.com/323277
[07:47] <TestMAD> ok..did you try update?
[07:47] <TestMAD> and it seems to me that the source.list may have wrong names..not sure..im in xp right now..so i cant look
[07:48] <TestMAD> Dorfl:
[07:48] <TestMAD> this is y
[07:48] <TestMAD> you trying to use the wrong drivers
[07:48] <TestMAD> your trying to use the warty fdrivers
[07:48] <TestMAD> you need to use the hoary drivers
[07:48] <TestMAD> sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx
[07:49] <TestMAD> if you look at the pade from that link..scrol down a bit..and it has directions for hoary
[07:49] <Dorfl> Tried that too, similar error.
[07:49] <TestMAD> try that one and paste what it says...pls
[07:51] <Dorfl> http://pastebin.com/323281
[07:51] <TestMAD> ok..now paste your sources.list
[07:52] <Dorfl> http://pastebin.com/323282
[07:53] <TestMAD> ok..on line 5,6,10, and 11...remove the us.
[07:53] <TestMAD> just incase the us servers are still messed up
[07:53] <TestMAD> example: line 10 deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted
[07:54] <TestMAD> ok..now..
[07:54] <TestMAD> on lines..
[07:54] <Dorfl> I changed back to il, doesn't help.
[07:54] <TestMAD> dont change it back
[07:54] <TestMAD> just dont put a il. or us.
[07:54] <Dorfl> Why the hell is the swap file still there?
[07:55] <TestMAD> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted
[07:55] <TestMAD> like that
[07:55] <TestMAD> on lines 20,21,23,24,26, and 27...remove the # and us. from those lines
[07:56] <Dorfl> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[07:56] <Dorfl> E: Couldn't find package xorg-driver-fglrx
[07:56] <Dorfl> root@dorfldorfldorfl:/home/elad # apt-get update
[07:56] <Dorfl> 57% [Connecting to archive.ubuntu.com (<IP_ADDRESS>)]
[07:56] <Dorfl> root@dorfldorfldorfl:/home/elad #
[07:56] <TestMAD> after that ..ppastebin your sources.list for me again
[07:56] <TestMAD> ..doode..slow down..
[07:56] <TestMAD> yer getting ahead of me
[07:56] <TestMAD> on lines 20,21,23,24,26, and 27...remove the # and us. from those lines
[07:57] <Dorfl> http://pastebin.com/323287
[07:57] <Dorfl> thanks , btw
[07:57] <goldfish> thats not the correct package name
[07:57] <TestMAD> deb http://il.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[07:57] <TestMAD> deb-src http://il.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[07:57] <TestMAD> take out the il.
[07:58] <TestMAD> just deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[07:58] <TestMAD> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[07:58] <thoreauputic> Dorfl: since when is archive.ubuntu.com <IP_ADDRESS>  heh ?
[07:58] <_drac> Hey everyone, Is there any reason I shouldn't compile the newest KDE SVN from source?
[07:58] <Dorfl> done
[07:58] <TestMAD> then..
[07:58] <Dorfl> thoreauputic, ?
[07:58] <goldfish> thoreauputic: :)
[07:58] <TestMAD> sudo apt-get update
[07:58] <TestMAD> then try installign the right ati drivers again
[07:58] <thoreauputic> 57% [Connecting to archive.ubuntu.com (<IP_ADDRESS>)
[07:58] <Dorfl> It went for a while, then got stuck on 50%
[07:59] <TestMAD> what got stuck?
[07:59] <TestMAD> the update?
[07:59] <Dorfl> The update
[07:59] <TestMAD> heh..one of those updates will take a bit
[07:59] <goldfish> look at the ip as thoreauputic pointed out
[07:59] <Dorfl> No, it just got stuck.
[07:59] <goldfish> it's <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:59] <TestMAD> hmm.
[07:59] <Dorfl> I have no idea what thoreauputic said.
[07:59] <TestMAD> hold on..lemme retype you a sources.list
[08:00] <thoreauputic> ~$ host archive.ubuntu.com
[08:00] <thoreauputic> archive.ubuntu.com has address <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:00] <thoreauputic> archive.ubuntu.com has address <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:00] <goldfish> it's trying to connect to <IP_ADDRESS> which is not archive.ubuntu.com
[08:00] <insanekane> _drac: no reason whatsoever ... go ahead ... but, if you use the Kubuntu packages, then you can file bug reports for breezy
[08:00] <Dorfl> This very sources.list file has worked earlier today.
[08:01] <TestMAD> http://pastebin.com/323288
[08:01] <thoreauputic> Dorfl: hello, hello,..... your system is trying to connect to the wrong IP address
[08:01] <TestMAD> just copy and paste that
[08:01] <_drac> insanekane: there Kubuntu Packages of KDE SVN?
[08:02] <Dorfl> thoreauputic, the right one being?
[08:02] <thoreauputic> Dorfl: see the output of the host command above
[08:03] <insanekane> _drac: no ... but i do think that the KDE in breezy is the absolute latest in any distro ... you would have to ask Riddell to be sure though
[08:03] <Dorfl> thoreauputic, what do I do then?
[08:03] <TestMAD> hmm.
[08:03] <Dorfl> I also had to "host <ircserver>" and use the IP to connect.  I was copying it by hand when I figured it was a Klipper issue.
[08:09] <Dorfl> OK, copied.
[08:09] <Dorfl> Now:
[08:09] <goldfish> man, amarok is amazing.
[08:09] <Dorfl> Stuck at 50% again.
[08:10] <TestMAD> heh.
[08:10] <Dorfl> ...wtf?
[08:10] <goldfish> Dorfl: in a terminal run...
[08:10] <goldfish> host archive.ubuntu.com
[08:10] <Dorfl> root@dorfldorfldorfl:/home/elad/firefox-installer # host archive.ubuntu.com
[08:10] <Dorfl> archive.ubuntu.com has address <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:10] <Dorfl> archive.ubuntu.com has address <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:10] <Dorfl> root@dorfldorfldorfl:/home/elad/firefox-installer #
[08:11] <goldfish> hmmmm
[08:11] <Dorfl> OK, I see where you're heading. But how do I fix this problem's _source_? What's wrong with my DNS thingie?
[08:11] <goldfish> not sure
[08:11] <TestMAD> i wonder
[08:11] <TestMAD> !dns
[08:11] <ubotu> TestMAD: I haven't a clue
[08:11] <TestMAD> n/m
[08:12] <goldfish> his dns seems ok
[08:12] <goldfish> except for the apt-get obviously
[08:13] <TestMAD> ohhh.
[08:14] <TestMAD> Dorfl: after you changed the sources.list..did you apt-get update?
[08:14] <Dorfl> Yes.
[08:15] <_drac> Wiiiiiiiiierd, set my mic device to /dev/adsp on teamspeak (which it is, cat'ed it) and it mutes everything up
[08:15] <_drac> :S
[08:16] <Dorfl> I switched some of the addresses for said IP address, and now it's stuck on 44% instead.
[08:16] <Dorfl> How wonderful.
[08:16] <Dorfl> Hold on, rebooting router.
[08:17] <TestMAD> Dorfl?
[08:17] <TestMAD> do you have a firewall installed?
[08:17] <TestMAD> firewall proggie?
[08:18] <elad_> update working now
[08:18] <elad_> I must have changed something in there and forgot about it. Luckily, I didn't save the changes, so I didn't have to reset the router all the way to its default settings.
[08:19] <TestMAD> ok
[08:19] <TestMAD> i was just finding that it was a router problem
[08:39] <_drac> Ok, im trying to compile KDE SVN
[08:39] <_drac> And its saying I dont have GCC, cc, cl, or any suitable C compiler in $PATH
[08:39] <goldfish> u got build-essentials ?
[08:40] <_drac> Ahh I dont
[08:40] <_drac> figured ti included it
[08:40] <_drac> thanks
[08:40] <goldfish> np
[08:40] <_drac> Working now :)
[08:41] <_drac> Now it cant find X lol
[08:41] <_drac> x includes to be exact
[08:42] <uniq> xlibs-dev
[08:42] <_drac> Ahh ok
[08:42] <_drac> used to Slackware, included all this stuff =)
[08:48] <nikkia> morning uniq
[08:49] <TestMAD> morning??
[08:49] <TestMAD> hehe
[08:49] <TestMAD> i hope not
[08:49] <nikkia> testmad, eh?
[08:50] <TestMAD> bout 3am here
[08:50] <nikkia> 07:44 here
[08:50] <nikkia> erm, 07:50
[08:50] <nikkia> must remember irc computer has slow clock :P
[08:51] <TestMAD> he.
[08:51] <TestMAD> yea..
[08:51] <TestMAD> well..im out.nite all
[08:51] <_drac> mornin nikkia, 00:51 here :)
[09:04] <_drac> compiling KDE from source, SVN, says it needs Autoconf 2.53 or newer, according to Kynaptic I have autoconf 2.59a-2 installed
[09:04] <_drac> Any idea why its saying that./
[09:05] <nikkia> drac, it might actually *need* autoconf 2.53
[09:06] <nikkia> a lot of apps are very painful about autoconf versions, in my experience, you almost always end up with at least 4 or 5 different versions
[09:06] <_drac> Humm ok
[09:06] <_drac> will have to compile it then
[09:06] <_drac> thanks
[09:06] <nikkia> same with automake
[09:07] <_drac> Ahh, just googled it, says its a bug in the makefile, doesnt detect the newer versions
[09:07] <_drac> guess I will need it =) hehe
[09:07] <nikkia> either that or hack the makefile
[09:07] <_drac> Yea it was bitchin about automake to, had to install an old version
[09:08] <_drac> But that was easier because it was on apt-get
[09:10] <nikkia> drac, have you ever build kde from source before?
[09:10] <_drac> Yes, on slackware
[09:14] <_drac> It just worked though lol
[09:17] <nikkia> gah!
[09:17] <insanekane> silence ?
[09:17] <insanekane> hmm
[09:18] <nikkia> i've forgotten how to enable selection nudging in gimp again
[09:18] <_drac> grr
[09:18] <_drac> *** AUTOCONF NOT FOUND!.
[09:18] <_drac> *** KDE requires autoconf 2.53 or newer
[09:18] <_drac> autoconf (GNU Autoconf) 2.53
[09:18] <nikkia> oh, now i remember, its not a selection mode :/
[09:18] <insanekane> _drac: i think you need to export the environment variable ..
[09:19] <insanekane> _drac: i believe NEED_AUTOCONF ?
[09:19] <nikkia> wha? /me suddenly notices the 'new selection tool' at the bottom of the tools list
[09:19] <insanekane> _drac: you can also change the symlink in /usr/bin ... from autoconf-whatever to autoconf-2.53
[09:20] <_drac> insanekane: Humm, so its NEED_AUTOCONF make -f makefile.cvs
[09:20] <insanekane> _drac: LOL no ..
[09:20] <insanekane> export NEED_AUTOCONF=2.53 ... i *think*
[09:20] <_drac> insanekane: ahh
[09:20] <nikkia> OMG< GIMP IS TEH ROXX0R :P
[09:20] <insanekane> _drac: let me check
[09:21] <_drac> insanekane: ok thanks
[09:21] <_drac> brb
[09:22] <_drac> back
[09:22] <nikkia> insanekane: or 'NEED_AUTOCONF=2.53 make -f makefile.cvs'
[09:23] <nikkia> insanekane: the 'specify an env for a command' syntax is incredibly useful
[09:23] <insanekane> _drac: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[09:23] <_drac> nikkia: thanks insanekane: thanks
[09:24] <_drac> trying
[09:24] <insanekane> nikkia: maybe you should redirect to the person who really needs it ?
[09:24] <nikkia> insanekane: i was commenting on your export command, by the time i said it, drac was on his way with the other anyway
[09:24] <insanekane> nikkia: but i do have a problem: ../admin/depcomp: line 60: -MT: command not found
[09:24] <insanekane> nikkia: how do i fix that ?
[09:24] <_drac> nope
[09:24] <_drac> same thing
[09:24] <nikkia> insanekane: no idea, don't have enough context :P
[09:25] <_drac> 'NEED_AUTOCONF=2.53 make -f Makefile.cvs'
[09:25] <_drac> bash: NEED_AUTOCONF=2.53 make -f Makefile.cvs: command not found
[09:25] <_drac> root@ubuntu:/home/drac/kdelibs # NEED_AUTOCONF=2.53 make -f Makefile.cvs
[09:25] <_drac> This Makefile is only for the SVN repository
[09:25] <insanekane> _drac: then do what I did, make a new symlink /usr/bin/autoconf -> /usr/bin/autoconf-2.53
[09:25] <_drac> insanekane: ok, thanks
[09:25] <nikkia> insanekane: if i had to guess, and i do, i'd say that the makefile has something like $(CC) -MT .....  and it isn't getting a value for the $(CC)
[09:26] <insanekane> nikkia: duh
[09:26] <insanekane> nikkia: i just dont want to disable dep tracking ...
[09:26] <insanekane> case "$depmode" in
[09:26] <insanekane> gcc3)
[09:26] <insanekane> ## gcc 3 implements dependency tracking that does exactly what
[09:26] <insanekane> ## we want.  Yay!  Note: for some reason libtool 1.4 doesn't like
[09:26] <insanekane> ## it if -MD -MP comes after the -MF stuff.  Hmm.
[09:26] <insanekane>   "$@" -MT "$object" -MD -MP -MF "$tmpdepfile"
[09:27] <insanekane> nikkia: those are the appropriate lines of admin/depcomp
[09:27] <nikkia> insanekane: then you need to work out why $@ isn't getting set to 'gcc' :)
[09:27] <insanekane> hmm
[09:27] <insanekane> maybe i have to make clean; make all over again :/
[09:28] <nikkia> it might be supposed to be 'libtool' actually, reading that description, but i don't think so
[09:28] <nikkia> or perhaps even 'libtool --mode=compile' or some such guff :)
[09:28] <insanekane> guff ?
[09:29] <nikkia> guff (n): unacceptable behaviour (especially ludicrously false statements)
[09:29] <insanekane> ok thanks
[09:30] <insanekane> this error can be avoided if i ./configure with --disable-dependency-tracking ... and in that case, building becomes hell
[09:30] <nikkia> insanekane: building KDE without dep tracking is far faster, and how i did it :)
[09:31] <nikkia> but i'm not building from svn
[09:31] <nikkia> or 'wasn't' rather
[09:31] <insanekane> im not building KDE
[09:31] <nikkia> oh
[09:31] <insanekane> and im developing
[09:31] <nikkia> thought thats what everyone was doing :)
[09:31] <insanekane> so i need dep tracking
[09:32] <insanekane> its not that
[09:32] <insanekane> im sure everyone is doing that
[09:32] <nikkia> email from my boss at 7:30
[09:32] <_drac> Interesting
[09:32] <_drac> It wasent working, so I uninstalled all the older one
[09:32] <insanekane> _drac: hehe :)
[09:32] <_drac> ones* and new ones, I have autoconf-2.53 in /usr/bin but it doesnt do anything (filename is read)
[09:32] <_drac> Red, even
[09:33] <insanekane> _drac: did you make a symlink /usr/bin/autoconf -> /usr/bin/autoconf-2.53 ?
[09:33] <_drac> yes
[09:33] <_drac> I tried
[09:33] <nikkia> drac, isn't that a dangling symlink ?
[09:34] <_drac> I removed the ln after uninstalling the older ones?
[09:34] <_drac> Oh, red is yes
[09:34] <insanekane> _drac: if the symlink isnt there, then autoconf will not be found/used afaik
[09:35] <_drac> the symlink is there
[09:35] <_drac> Well, it is now
[09:35] <_drac> Im trying something else just a second
[09:36] <nikkia> insanekane: btw, re: 'guff', its basically a polite way of saying B.S
[09:36] <_drac> nm
[09:36] <_drac> no working
[09:37] <_drac> not working, damn I suck at typing tonighty
[09:37] <_drac> TONIGHT* :)
[09:37] <nikkia> OMG
[09:37] <insanekane> nikkia: oh right ...  i would've used the more ambiguous 'stuff' .. but now i know a new word
[09:37] <nikkia> my blank CDs and DVDs are stalled in delivery 'security check'
[09:37] <nikkia> this terrorism nonsense is getting out of hand
[09:38] <insanekane> nikkia: yeah .. same like my AM transciever modules
[09:38] <nikkia> insanekane: electronics i can understand, it COULD look like a bomb trigger on x-ray
[09:38] <nikkia> but blank discs?
[09:39] <_drac> Whhhhhhhhhhhhy wont this work lol
[09:39] <insanekane> in my city, one is not allowed to get petrol in a bottle. last night, i pushed by motorbike about 3 km. damn terrorism rules :/
[09:39] <nikkia> insanekane: how about in a proper petrol can ?
[09:40] <_drac> Petrol, you two are british?
[09:40] <insanekane> nikkia: basically, you are not allowed to carry petrol in anything else other than a vehicle's petrol tank. the rule is really idiotic.
[09:40] <insanekane> _drac: im from Kerala, India
[09:40] <nikkia> insanekane: sounds stupid :/
[09:41] <_drac> Ahh, its GAS or GASOLINE, sorry petrol drives me nuts
[09:41] <_drac> :)
[09:41] <nikkia> insanekane: i bet the breakdown people love it tho
[09:41] <nikkia> drac, no, its petrol
[09:41] <insanekane> nikkia: indeed
[09:41] <nikkia> drac, the raw material is, after all, petroleum
[09:41] <nikkia> drac, and if you look carefully, you'll notice its a liquid :P
[09:41] <_drac> lol yea thats true
[09:42] <nikkia> calling it 'gas' is almost as ludicrous as called water 'solid' :)
[09:43] <_drac> -smashed head into desk- why the hell doesnt autoconf work!
[09:43] <_drac> :)
[09:43] <nikkia> drac, iirc, the US called it 'petroleum distilate' too for a while in the early days, dunno why they switched to gasoline
[09:44] <_drac> I live in canada :)
[09:44] <insanekane> im sure i can come up with a dozen reasons for that :P
[09:44] <insanekane> nikkia: breakdown people?
[09:44] <nikkia> insanekane: i'm leaning towards 'some numbnut trademarked petroleum' :P
[09:44] <_drac> Humm, wonky, my non symlink autoconf version is 2.53, but autoconf-2.53 --version returns 2.59
[09:44] <nikkia> insanekane: yeah, someone runs out of petrol, they can't 'walk to the garage' and get petrol, so they HAVE to call a breakdown service and get them to come out, at exhorbitant prices
[09:45] <insanekane> nikkia: oh right .. nothing like that here
[09:45] <nikkia> insanekane: so what do you do if you break down/run out of petrol? walk home and buy a new car ??
[09:46] <insanekane> i saw this conversation in a dream last week ... deja vu
[09:46] <insanekane> no, i just get more petrol
[09:47] <nikkia> insanekane: but you said you can't get it in a bottle/can now...
[09:47] <insanekane> yes you cant
[09:47] <insanekane> so you have to tow the vehicle
[09:47] <nikkia> right, which involves paying some breakdown service, surely
[09:47] <_drac> AHHHHHHHHHHHHH make install on autoconf 2.53 must be putting it somewhere else, because it sure as hell isnt in /usr/bin
[09:47] <_drac> grr
[09:47] <insanekane> in my case, since it was motorbike, pushing it was enough (it is a light bike)
[09:48] <nikkia> drac, /usr/local/bin
[09:48] <_drac> uip
[09:48] <_drac> yup
[09:48] <nikkia> drac, all stuff goes there by default unless you use --prefix=/usr
[09:48] <insanekane> nikkia: well, a friend who has a car and some strong rope, ought to do it :)
[09:48] <_drac>  ahh
[09:50] <_drac> Of course it still doesnt work
[09:51] <_drac> How many links can any one file have?
[09:52] <insanekane> _drac: unlimited ?
[09:52] <_drac> Humm, why does it say to many levels of symbolic link?
[09:52] <_drac> linking autoconf from /usr/local/bin to /usr/bin
[10:03] <_drac> according to #KDE trunked just branched
[10:03] <_drac> And trunk is a very bad place to be.
[10:04] <_drac> Becuase, its all from the 1-year-away kde 4
[10:08] <buz> is there anything working from kde4 already?
[10:08] <buz> their plans sure look tasty
[10:08] <insanekane> as all plans are :)
[10:08] <buz> nah
[10:08] <insanekane> i think more important than KDE plans, are Kubuntu plans
[10:09] <buz> longhorn looked silly from begin with
[10:09] <buz> as long as i get regular updates i'm content with kubuntu
[10:09] <insanekane> ie, Kubuntu plans for KDE 4
[10:09] <buz> Xen integration would rock
[10:09] <buz> aside of that, i'm fine
[10:09] <insanekane> hmm, actually longhorn pretty much looked copied-from-other-places to me
[10:09] <buz> it's ms what do you expect? something original???
[10:09] <insanekane> why Xen ?
[10:10] <insanekane> buz: why not ?
[10:10] <buz> ms hardly ever does anything original
[10:10] <buz> i can't really remember what they did
[10:10] <buz> basic perhaps
[10:10] <buz> back in the mid 70s
[10:10] <buz> not sure if it even was their child
[10:10] <insanekane> basic was made by someone else
[10:10] <buz> then frankly, i cant think of anything original
[10:11] <_drac> That big giant green rendered start button.
[10:11] <insanekane> i think their biggest contribution was the commoditization of the OS
[10:11] <buz> their business model maybe
[10:11] <buz> but technologically, they always copied
[10:11] <buz> and for the most part, pretty badly
[10:12] <insanekane> Xen was in large part funded by MS Research iirc
[10:12] <buz> parts of it i think
[10:12] <buz> it technically isnt a ms project though
[10:12] <buz> (ms doesnt even allow a XP version that runs on xen, go figure)
[10:12] <insanekane> ok
[10:12] <pax> oh be fair now, they created the most attractive viruses ever
[10:13] <insanekane> im sure they do original stuff ... maybe just not very publically
[10:13] <insanekane> publicly
[10:13] <buz> if they do, few of it ends up in products
[10:13] <buz> i mean sure they do research
[10:13] <insanekane> buz: or maybe all of them do and we just dont know it yet ?
[10:13] <insanekane> buz: how about Cleartype ?
[10:13] <insanekane> buz: how about OpenType ?
[10:14] <buz> i think both were working on OSX before
[10:14] <buz> general concept anyhow
[10:14] <insanekane> eh ?
[10:14] <buz> isnt cleartype subpixel hinting?
[10:14] <insanekane> perhaps
[10:14] <insanekane> yes
[10:14] <buz> i doubt that really was groundbreaking when it came with XP
[10:15] <buz> i remember that OSX 10.0 fonts looked gorgeous back then already
[10:16] <buz> now to be fair, ms probably pushes the 3d industry
[10:16] <buz> directx specifies more new stuff than opengl
[10:16] <buz> anyway, i should be learning
[10:17] <nikkia> buz, iirc, no, OS X had sub-pixel hinting after XP
[10:19] <buz> The origins of subpixel rendering
[10:19] <buz> While this type of rendering first became mainstream with the introduction of TFT displays, it was invented and first used by Apple II programmers in the late 1970s to increase the vertical resolution of the displays of that time.
[10:19] <buz> mhh not really novel then
[10:20] <nikkia> no, it wasn't novel
[10:20] <nikkia> X had it around 99/2000 iirc
[10:20] <nikkia> it took what seemed like forever before Gtk and Qt adopted it though :)
[10:21] <buz> how do i figure out how my pixels are arranged anyhow
[10:21] <insanekane> buz: System->Settings->Appearance->Fonts->Advanced
[10:21] <buz> i know how to set it
[10:22] <insanekane> oh right .. hehehe :)
[10:22] <buz> but in order to set it, i would have to know what to set it to
[10:22] <insanekane> sorry
[10:22] <nikkia> buz, a magnifying glass ? :P
[10:22] <insanekane> i guess you need to look closely at your screen ? ;)
[10:22] <insanekane> hmm
[10:47] <nikkia> hmm
[10:47] <nikkia> wish i could get udev to create /dev/ symlinks properly :/
[10:52] <brent> hi linux newbie here. I could really use some help please. This concerns kppp and usr external faxmodem
[10:52] <brent> im running kubuntu
[10:54] <insanekane> brent: whats the priblem ?
[10:54] <brent> if someone could help me i would much appreciate it, as im trying to learn linux so i can ditch windows altogether, but it seems like im just going in circles, lol
[10:55] <brent> hi insane
[10:55] <insanekane> hi
[10:55] <paines> morning all
[10:55] <insanekane> brent: you can call me kane ;)
[10:55] <brent> well, i can dial up, but not using kppp
[10:55] <insanekane> brent: hrmm ... why not ?
[10:55] <insanekane> brent: whats the error ?
[10:56] <brent> ok thanks kane. ppp daemon died unexpectedly"it disconnects and gives me the message "
[10:56] <brent> oops
[10:56] <brent>  did you understand that?
[10:57] <brent> it says ppp died unexpectedly
[10:57] <insanekane> yes
[10:57] <insanekane> it dials, you get the connection, and it dies ?
[10:57] <brent> i enter in the same information as i did using soudo pppconfig command
[10:58] <insanekane> ie, tyhe modem name-> /dev/modem ?
[10:58] <brent> id like to just be able to use kppp, like i can with knoppix, mepis, and linspire. I just happen to like kubuntu distro better, maybr, lol
[10:59] <insanekane> did you query the modem to see if KPP has recognized it ?
[10:59] <brent> yeah
[10:59] <brent> it does
[10:59] <nikkia> brent, sounds like a pap/chap issue
[10:59] <brent> then it dials up, but then unexpectedly dies i did ln-s to create a logical shortcut to /dev/modem. does that sound right?
[11:00] <brent> really? so what would you suggest?
[11:00] <nikkia> if you turn on ppp debugging, it might give you more info, but i would guess its going to give you some auth messages right before it disconnect
[11:00] <nikkia> brent, getting pap/chap 'right' can be a pain, some ISPs send bogus username auths, and you have to tell them to force your known username
[11:01] <brent> yeah it just says ppp daemon died unexpectedly. I am obviously online now, but im not sure how and it wasn't through kppp. ive been going through ubuntu forumes and guides for hours now, lol
[11:02] <brent> well, it wasnt an issue at all when i booted from knoppix, this only happens with kubuntu for some reason, am i missing some setting that knoppix/linspire live has automatically set?
[11:03] <brent> btw, i really appreciate your info/help
[11:04] <brent> nikkia, is this something i need to ask my isp? i asked them before about linux issues and they had NO idea, :(
[11:05] <brent> i gotta say, that besides this and a couple other minor things, i really love this kubuntu system. especially apt-get!
[11:05] <brent> also how can i change my clock so it doesnt read like army time?
[11:06] <nikkia> brent, the ISP won't know :/
[11:06] <nikkia> brent, they just setup MS's PPP server, and pray, unfortunatly, it has a habit of doing annoying stuff like sending false username requests, and thus confusing non MS ppp clients
[11:07] <_cj> hola.
[11:07] <nikkia> see, the basic premise is thus... the server goes 'ok, you're blah129802, what's your password?', a MS client will go 'no, i'm blah!' and wait for a second attempt, pppd by default goes 'erk, i don't have a password for that name!'
[11:08] <brent> so what can i do then? just tell them to let me log on? and how come i can log on using sudo pon? (i think)
[11:09] <brent> i mean i got on now somehow, but i dont like doing it this way, and others who use my computer are farrr more computer illiterate than i. i studied about computers in college, just not linux.
[11:10] <nikkia> brent, there are a couple of approachs, there is a config variable for pppd that tells it to force the username, which does basically the same as the MS client, ie, goes 'no that's not me, i'm blah', you can also edit pap/chap -secrets in /etc/ppp and make them always use the same password regardless of the username asked, but that isn't a good idea if you use more than one ISP
[11:10] <brent> mainly novell and w2K server
[11:10] <nikkia> brent, using the 'force username' option, if you do things right, you can set that ppp option outside of the main ppp config, and thus use more than 1 ISP, but it can be complicated
[11:11] <nikkia> brent, the real question is, how did you get on now, and why is it different from what kppp is doing ?
[11:11] <nikkia> and then 'how can you make kppp *do that*'
[11:11] <brent> i only use 1 isp to dial out. is there a command i need? can i open this file from konkorer?
[11:11] <brent> exactly!
[11:11] <apokryphos> mornin' nikkia :)
[11:12] <brent> i used pppconfig command
[11:12] <brent> then went through the little dialogs
[11:12] <brent> im positive i set it exactly the same as kppp, which is why im so perplexed at the situation
[11:13] <brent> ive been up all night trying to figure it out.
[11:14] <brent> good thing i picked using my vacation to try to figure this out
[11:14] <nikkia> brent, try disconnecting, and reconnecting with kppp
[11:14] <brent> nikka you said "you can set that ppp option outside of the main ppp config", how can this be done?
[11:14] <nikkia> its possible that pppconfig has modified the dialup stuff in a way that will make kppp work now
[11:15] <brent> i have tried it since and it didnt work, but ill try again. lets cross fingers, but i hope if it does not work that i can still get back on
[11:15] <nikkia> brent, what i meant by that, is that there is a central /etc/ppp/options that is used for *all* dialup targets (different ISPs/VPNs/etc) but then there are also per-target options files
[11:16] <brent> one thing, i think that pon daemon is running, so i just hit home in firefox and it dials up? is this relevant at all?
[11:16] <insanekane> brent: im sorry ... i was away answering a phone call .. but i see you have got some help from the expert :)
[11:18] <brent> its kool, sorry to be such a noob, but i gotta learn sometime. ill be glad to help anyone else once i learn for myself:)
[11:19] <brent> nikkia, i opened that /etc/ppp/options with kwrite. im still confused. are these instructions?
[11:19] <nikkia> brent, its not really relevant to the configuration, but if that is the case, then i'm not sure i'd really bother with kppp, if its set to dialup automatically, then you're pretty much in a good situation, as far as i would consider
[11:19] <nikkia> brent, no, don't edit the ppp options yet
[11:20] <nikkia> brent, check if pppconfig has changed enough to get kppp working, first
[11:20] <brent> ok here goes
[11:25] <_brent> this sucks. i think i need a nap
[11:31] <nikkia> brent, the next thing to do, is to look at what pppconfig does, and compare it to kppp's options
[11:42] <brent_> hello im back
[11:42] <brent_> still no good for those that care]
[11:43] <brent_> hello nikkia and kane
[11:44] <brent_> i did what you suggested nikkia, i even went as far as rebooting, thinking that maybe that was necessary or something. i tried kppp and got the same message again. kppp daemon died unexpectedly.
[11:44] <brent_> i can connect using sudo pon.
[11:44] <Mose`> hello
[11:45] <brent_> is this maybe some kind of user issue?
[11:45] <brent_> hello mose. newbie here tring to figure out why kppp is not working for me
[11:46] <amu> uploaded a new 3.4.2 liveCD someone can test it? http://www.kubuntu.org/~amu/kubuntu-5.04.5-i386-live.iso
[11:47] <paines> kde 3.4.2 ?
[11:47] <brent_> its crazy nikkia, because kppp works on knoppix and linspire live flwlessly, and i set nothing differently here on kubuntu.
[11:47] <buz> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/XEyeCandy?highlight=%28XEyeCandy%29 does that mean we get Xgl in breezy?
[11:47] <brent_> when is breezy to be released? im still trying to learn hoary, lol
[11:48] <buz> october
[11:48] <buz> it wont be that different
[11:48] <brent_> evrything else has been a breeze for the most part, but i really need help i think cause im stuck
[11:49] <brent_> im sure i was only kidding, im an admitted noob to linux. im trying to learn as we speak, lol
[11:50] <brent_> ive obviously done a few things right or else i wouldnt be in here blabbing about it from my kubuntu desktop
[11:51] <brent_> i just wish someone had an easy answer for me about my dialup connection. i can connect using sudo pon, but kppp does not let me dial out at all.
[11:51] <buz> i've never used ppp sorry
[11:51] <buz> my cable modem is acting as bridge, doesn't get any easier than taht ;)
[11:52] <paines> bye
[11:53] <brent_> its cool, im sure ill run into someone with the same problem, i just dont understand why knoppix and linspire work but kubuntu does not even though the kppp settings are exactly the same in every case. its mind boggling to me
[11:53] <buz> did you try ubuntuforums?
[11:53] <brent_> yeah when i did my install it was at my dads house with cable connection which was great for apt-get
[11:53] <buz> can we get kde 3.4.2 for install tests???
[11:54] <buz> i have no cdrom in this machine
[11:54] <brent_> yes ubuntu forums guides hours and hours of googling.......
[11:55] <brent_> i would but i dont think that my "lack of linux knowlege" would do much good for you guys
[11:57] <insanekane> buz: you mean you want to install kde 3.4.2 rather than the Live CD ?
[11:59] <insanekane> buz: if so, just use the breezy repositories
[12:01] <insanekane> nikkia: arent you always ?
[12:01] <nikkia> insanekane: during this project, yes
[12:01] <insanekane> :)
[12:01] <insanekane> nikkia: if so, wth are you doing *here* ? ;)
[12:01] <nikkia> right now, and hour left to deadline and i'm rushing to get every feature installed
[12:02] <nikkia> insanekane: because java compilation isn't instant :P
[12:02] <insanekane> hmm
[12:02] <insanekane> nikkia: you should use eclipse and its incremental compilation feature
[12:02] <marsh> can anyone help me set up a network? I bin googling, but i'm obviously missing something... I cant ping <IP_ADDRESS> from <IP_ADDRESS> (or vice versa)
[12:02] <insanekane> marsh: hmm ..
[12:03] <marsh> etc/allow.* have nothing in (that's not commented out)
[12:03] <insanekane> obviosly, you have connected the network cable right ?
[12:03] <marsh> and I'm using a crossover lead
[12:03] <nikkia> insanekane: i am using eclipse, it still isn't instant :P
[12:03] <insanekane> hmm
[12:03] <marsh> AS FAR AS I KNOW...
[12:03] <insanekane> marsh: crossover lead == peer2peer cable right ?
[12:04] <marsh> LET ME CHECK IT...
[12:04] <marsh> sorry (caps)
[12:04] <insanekane> marsh: use a multimeter etc ... though i dont know which pins to check ... probably nikkia does (as usual)
[12:04] <marsh> :( no multimeter
[12:04] <nikkia> insanekane: not offhand
[12:05] <insanekane> hmm
[12:05] <marsh> I could make another though  - is it usually that simple to network?
[12:05] <insanekane> marsh: yes
[12:05] <marsh> just "plug and go"?
[12:05] <nikkia> but i'd be more tempted to say that the cards are MDI sensing
[12:05] <insanekane> marsh: i got ping in about 2 minutes
[12:05] <nikkia> MDI can get confused if both sense it, and you use a cross-over cable
[12:06] <marsh> nikkia: MDI
[12:06] <marsh> ?
[12:06] <nikkia> marsh, media direction something-or-other
[12:06] <marsh> ping = destination host unreachable
[12:06] <nikkia> marsh, it means the card senses if it is connected to a ethernet port or switch port, and 'pretends' to crossover as required
[12:07] <nikkia> marsh, ie, if you connect a straight-thru ethernet cable between two MDI sensing machines, one of them will switch to crossover mode and 'it will just work'
[12:07] <nikkia> most recent cards/onboard ethernet is MDI sensing, as are recent switches
[12:07] <nikkia> that said, there is probably a module parameter to turn it off :)
[12:08] <marsh> nikkia - my p3 800 may be a bit old for that though, yes?
[12:08] <marsh> (both of them)
[12:09] <nikkia> marsh, hard to say, MDI has been around a few years, though not always supported
[12:09] <marsh> I'll make the cable. best to minimise on possibilities, eh
[12:09] <nikkia> marsh, if they're that old tho, its more likely that you're not doing something right ifconfig-wise
[12:10] <marsh> the onboard cards work well. the other one seemed to install easy
[12:11] <insanekane> marsh: on computer A: sudo ifconfig eth0 <IP_ADDRESS> and on computer B: sudo ifconfig eth0 <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:11] <insanekane> set up netmask as <IP_ADDRESS> on both machines
[12:11] <insanekane> then ping
[12:11] <insanekane> it works for me
[12:12] <insanekane> marsh: with kubuntu, things become even easier, with System->Settings->Internet->Network Settings
[12:12] <marsh> insanekane: they are set up to <IP_ADDRESS>/2 and they do have a netmask of <IP_ADDRESS> :(
[12:12] <marsh> I'll doi the cable...
[12:14] <marsh> insanekane: you say that, but in Kubuntu I dont have a system>settings Hehehe...
[12:14] <insanekane> marsh: the system button is the button next to the KMenu
[12:15] <marsh> insanekane: and the settings bit?
[12:15] <xe||> why on earth doesn't firefox use the kdialogs for save as, open file...? it works that way e.g. on suse, why not on kubuntu?
[12:15] <insanekane> when u click the system button, you will see settings
[12:19] <marsh> insanekane: not on this install I dont...???? - I hace a system button in the menu brought up by hitting the 'system' button, but no settings... :/
[12:20] <insanekane> ok neevrmind
[12:20] <insanekane> marsh: you c analso use Conotrl Centre
[12:20] <insanekane> you can also use Control Centre
[12:20] <marsh> but I have found out that I have wired the cable the wrong way  :blush:
[12:20] <insanekane> hehe :)
[12:25] <marsh> insanekane: nikkia if I now plug in the cable, should I get a result - or do I have to shutdown/reset cards?
[12:27] <insanekane> marsh: you should get a result
[12:27] <insanekane> marsh: use sudo ifconfig to check if the settings are right
[12:27] <marsh> 'cause I'm getting the same prblem :(
[12:28] <marsh> insane  - I hace - and they are... hang on - I'll just check again...
[12:28] <insanekane> marsh: btw, ive had busted cards seem to work on linux
[12:29] <insanekane> so even if the settings are all right, the cards may actually be busted ... so u have to verify that first
[12:29] <insanekane> for me, verifying was easy enough: i saw a busted capacitor on the card in question
[12:31] <marsh> pants
[12:31] <nikkia> right, relaxation time
[12:31] <marsh> 's not even working with the cards I know are ok :(
[12:32] <insanekane> nikkia: all done ?
[12:32] <nikkia> insanekane: almost
[12:32] <insanekane> hmm ur fast
[12:33] <nikkia> insanekane: waiting on the 50MB .tar.gz file of sprites and audio to upload
[12:33] <insanekane> oh :) a game perchance ?
[12:33] <nikkia> insanekane: after that, i need to merge in the 200MB of .avi files, which i'm NOT uploading again at 20KB
[12:33] <nikkia> after that, i can release it to the customer :)
[12:33] <marsh> insanekane: just to check - if I ifconfig and the inet addr is right (<IP_ADDRESS> & 2 respectively) and the netmask to the right of that is <IP_ADDRESS> on both machines I should have a connection. yes?
[12:33] <insanekane> yep
[12:33] <nikkia> insanekane: sort of, gambling terminal software
[12:33] <insanekane> with the default kubuntu install that should work
[12:33] <insanekane> nikkia: aha
[12:34] <nikkia> insanekane: in this case, roulette
[12:34] <insanekane> nikkia: nuclear reactors, gambling terminals ... what next ?
[12:34] <marsh> theres no firewalling I should know about?
[12:34] <insanekane> nope
[12:34] <nikkia> insanekane: *shrug*, you're also missing 'the video game industry' and 'telecoms control software' in between the two :)
[12:34] <insanekane> atleast that was the case for me ... nikkia though would be the person to ask
[12:34] <marsh> nikkia - you writing roulette?
[12:34] <marsh> 0 or 00?
[12:34] <nikkia> marsh, have been, for the last 3 months
[12:34] <nikkia> marsh, single 0, european market (for spain)
[12:35] <marsh> Hehehe... I dealt roullette for over 10 years.
[12:35] <marsh> (and still can't spell it lol)
[12:36] <nikkia> actually, thats not true...
[12:36] <marsh> <-- to the drawing board
[12:36] <nikkia> i've been writing roulette for the last 7 months
[12:36] <nikkia> as i had to do a UK market roulette before this :)
[12:36] <marsh> nikkia - why so difficult? just the aesthetics?
[12:36] <marsh> srely the game itself isn't that difficult?
[12:37] <nikkia> marsh, no, actually, the aesthetics were almost identical
[12:37] <marsh> after all - 's pretty basic as rules go, isn't it?
[12:37] <nikkia> the difference is, different hardware/OS (UK market was NT) and UK market was FOB whereas spanish is AWP
[12:37] <marsh> whats FOB & AWP?
[12:38] <nikkia> marsh: FOB = Fixed Odds Betting, AWP = Amusement with prizes
[12:38] <marsh> and why are the UK markets always the ones stupid enough to use NT :(
[12:38] <nikkia> marsh: basically, FOB is governed by random numbers, and the winning percentage is based on the odds of winning properly
[12:38] <nikkia> AWP is controlled, so you have a specific percentage that the machine must pay out, and it adjusts whether you win or not to reach that goal
[12:38] <insanekane> whats NT ?
[12:38] <nikkia> insanekane: Windows NT
[12:39] <insanekane> oh right :)
[12:39] <insanekane> thought it was a game scheme
[12:39] <marsh> ok - and the prizes? you couldn't just use crdeits and rate them against prizes?
[12:39] <nikkia> 4.0 so no DirectX or anything like that :)
[12:39] <insanekane> nikkia: are you a freelancer ?
[12:39] <nikkia> insanekane: no
[12:40] <insanekane> ok
[12:40] <nikkia> marsh: AWP must be controlled, you can't just say 'ok, roulette pays 97%, that's more than the 80% the machine is set to', so you have to somehow affect the outcome based on whether you need to increase or decrease the current running percentage
[12:40] <marsh> nikkia: the AWP - the prizes are cash?
[12:40] <nikkia> marsh: yes
[12:41] <nikkia> marsh: its far more complicated in spain tho :)
[12:41] <marsh> Aaahhh... I see...
[12:41] <marsh> nik...?
[12:41] <marsh> why like this?
[12:41] <nikkia> marsh: basically, you play a sub-game to win chips from cash, and then play those chips in roulette, which you can then collect the winning chips from as either more chips or cash
[12:41] <marsh> nikkia: - so the AWP's are for the greedy corps...
[12:42] <nikkia> marsh: not really, its a bit complicated
[12:42] <marsh> not just that they want bigger %'s
[12:42] <marsh> ?
[12:42] <nikkia> marsh, AWP has both positive and negative sides, in that it *has* to pay out, as well as it having *not* to pay out :)
[12:43] <nikkia> marsh, greedy corps would love something like fixed odds where the odds are 1 in 100 :)
[12:43] <marsh> nikkia: spain sounds complicated  -that a legal requirement/loophole
[12:43] <nikkia> marsh, yes, its all legal requirements
[12:43] <nikkia> gambling laws in europe tend to be complicated (not just spain, and they vary from area to area)
[12:44] <marsh> but surely the standard game will take it's long term % (1 in 37), and will have to pay out in the long run due to those fixed odds... ?!?!
[12:44] <nikkia> marsh, another annoyance of the laws are things like timing, there is often minimum game time, and so on
[12:44] <marsh> Aaaahh... I see...
[12:44] <marsh> Timing
[12:44] <marsh> the answer to all things
[12:45] <marsh> ...
[12:45] <nikkia> still, 3 months is good :)
[12:45] <marsh> not bad - it'd take me that long just to know what they wanted!
[12:45] <nikkia> the other team progamming on the same kit has been working 14 months on their project, which is technically more simple than roulette, and they STILL have major bugs :)
[12:45] <nikkia> they got torn a new one by email yesterday :)
[12:45] <marsh> so much for the nice easy game of roulette..
[12:46] <nikkia> marsh, almost 100% of my time was actually spent in the presentation/flow
[12:46] <nikkia> marsh, i had a basic roulette rule system running within about 2 hours :)
[12:46] <marsh> nikkia: as it should be!
[12:46] <nikkia> the hard part is tieing everything together, getting video playback 'right', getting all the interconnection of the game states, etc
[12:46] <marsh> (although my codings shite & would have taken days)
[12:47] <marsh> nikkia: I'm with ya
[12:47] <nikkia> marsh, i prefer this industry over the 'video game' industry tho
[12:47] <nikkia> marsh, shorter projects, more feeling of self-worth, you're not a small cog on a 2-year-long project
[12:48] <marsh> nikkia - gambling, you mean?
[12:48] <nikkia> marsh, gambling software, yes
[12:48] <insanekane> nikkia: what package should I install to get STL documentation ?
[12:48] <nikkia> its still video games, but its not THE 'video game' industry
[12:48] <nikkia> insanekane: no idea
[12:48] <insanekane> k
[12:49] <marsh> nikkia: i's based on fact though - so i suppose it's simpler in a way... no?
[12:49] <nikkia> marsh, i have no idea what my next project is, though, thankfully, i don't have to worry about it yet, i'm on holiday next week :)
[12:49] <marsh> Heyhey! congrats nikkia!
[12:49] <marsh> anywhere nice?
[12:49] <nikkia> marsh: in some ways, but usually you start a 'video game' with a set of design documents that outline the gameplay anyway
[12:49] <nikkia> marsh, nah, just lounging around at home
[12:49] <thoreauputic> insanekane: apt-cache search stl | grep doc  >> stl-manual  ?
[12:50] <marsh> nikkia: but the pressure's off though - you UK?
[12:50] <jens> hello! knows anybody something about a local desktop wiki system for kde like the newton system from gnome?
[12:50] <nikkia> marsh, yeah, UK
[12:51] <marsh> and not gonna take advantage of the wonderfull weather coming up?
[12:51] <nikkia> jens, i think i'd rather just install mediawiki on apache, personally
[12:51] <nikkia> marsh, erm, wonderful weather? /me looks outside at the rain
[12:51] <insanekane> thoreauputic: thanks :)
[12:52] <thoreauputic> insanekane: you're welcome :) apt-cache search is your friend ;-)
[12:52] <jens> Ohh yes the same idea have i yesterday. but it must give something faster and or more easy. thanks
[12:53] <insanekane> thoreauputic: as are you :)
[12:53] <marsh> nikkia:  forecast is beter than present
[12:53] <thoreauputic> insanekane: :)
[12:53] <nikkia> marsh, i'd be hard not to be :P
[12:53] <marsh> ...well here anyways
[12:53] <nikkia> marsh, it looked like it was about to turn to SNOW yesterday, had that 'sleety' look to the rain :)
[12:53] <marsh> you north?
[12:54] <nikkia> nah, hertfordshire
[12:54] <marsh> not near bristol - I'l warrant!
[12:54] <marsh> herts... that sort of middle east?
[12:55] <marsh> nikkia: pessimist!
[12:56] <marsh> next week'll be fine weather for getting yr tent out & checking out the coast - you mark my words...
[12:56] <nikkia> marsh, pretty much due north of london, not by far tho
[12:56] <marsh> yeah - pretty much what i thought(ish)
[12:56] <nikkia> marsh, herts is basically one of those counties that starts in london, and spreads outwards
[12:56] <nikkia> i have an 'enfield' post code for example
[12:56] <marsh> -- bit like london
[12:57] <marsh> nikkia: ok
[12:58] <marsh> 'Ere - if i wanna check my other net card & have to release from blueyonder to change mac address's, will ifdown release it so I can change cards (and machines too)
[12:58] <marsh> 'cause I'm notgetting a connection if I just change machines over
[12:58] <brent> i'm back
[12:59] <brent> nikkia, guess what? I got it figured out (kppp problem)
[12:59] <brent> I found this link and it worked! http://www.mepis.org/node/1748
[01:00] <brent> just wanted to let you know that that's exactly what my problem was and that I figured out how to fix it. Thanks for your help as well.
[01:01] <brent> I am so awfully stoked right now
[01:01] <brent> it had everthing to do with authentication
[01:02] <nikkia> brent, *nod* i don't use ppp enough to have given you an exact fix, but i figured it'd be something to do with auth
[01:02] <nikkia> brent, the only thing i use PPP for these days, is my work's VPN
[01:03] <brent> its totally kool! i really do appreciate all of your assistance.
[01:04] <brent> like i stated before, im a newbie, but everyone is at some point. im learning and it is very exciting.
[01:04] <nikkia> wooo, my CDs passed thru the evil anti-terrorist 'OMG, CD's they might explode!!' check :)
[01:05] <brent> nikkia, is this in nyc or jersey, or in europa?
[01:05] <jpatrick> Europe..
[01:05] <nikkia> brent, UK
[01:06] <brent> oh. scary?
[01:06] <nikkia> brent, my blank CDs/DVDs looked suspicious enough that they decided to investigate them, according to the tracking info :/
[01:06] <brent> they show the terrorist stuff here in chicago all the time
[01:06] <brent> hmmmm
[01:06] <brent> uk terror on chicago news i mean
[01:07] <brent> cds dont pose much of a threat unless they have anthrax on them? lol
[01:07] <nikkia> brent, you'd think so
[01:07] <brent> no laughing matter about terror, but cd checking is a bit silly
[01:08] <thoreauputic> except AOL CDs of course, which are well-known weapons of mass destruction ;)
[01:08] <brent> we have been lucky enough here in the states to not have another incident since 9/11 (yet) scary.......
[01:08] <brent> aol....lol
[01:08] <nikkia> brent, the thing is, most of us here have been affected long before all this recent stuff
[01:09] <brent> yeah i know
[01:09] <nikkia> brent, i remember being stuck in bristol temple meade station because of an IRA bomb threat about 15 years ago, for example
[01:09] <brent> it just maybe seems like reality check? i dunno
[01:09] <brent> yeah
[01:10] <brent> i had some bomb threats at my school right after 9/11 @ Robert Morris College
[01:10] <brent> We were sorta freaking out
[01:10] <nikkia> woo, less than a  minute left on this upload
[01:11] <brent> there were FBI offices in the same building so we thought terrorists were targeting the FBI agents, but it turned out to be a pranking 'girl' nonetheless
[01:12] <brent> anywho, i just wanted to thank you for your help. i really enjoy kubuntu and the community is great
[01:13] <brent> since i found the solution on a Mepis post, you think I ought to post the link/solution to (k)ubuntu post?
[01:13] <brent> i'm sure others have faced same problem
[01:15] <brent> nikkia, peace i hope we can chat again some other time, for now, later............
[01:17] <torz> hey I've got something weird going on - upgraded my system to AMD64 3000+ 2.0GHz but /proc tells me its running @ 1.0GHz.
[01:18] <buz> try something cpu intensive
[01:18] <buz> athlon64 cool n quiet powers down to 1ghz when relatively light load
[01:19] <torz> oh.
[01:19] <torz> I see :~)
[01:20] <torz> I guess proc logs that at startup (when minimal load).
[01:23] <ztonzy> hey :)
[01:23] <Firetech> what decides if /sys/block/[drive] /removable should be 1 or 0?
[01:23] <ztonzy> do anyone know if there's any adblocker for Konqueror...some websites use flash heavily for ads...and that slow down the browser (and somewhat system too)
[01:24] <Firetech> Because an external USB HDD should be removable...
[01:28] <nikkia> right, not quite 'morning' but close enough :P
[01:30] <hussam> how do extract a password protected rar archive?
[01:30] <buz> not sure if you can crack those
[01:31] <buz> there might be some tools for it
[01:31] <nikkia> guess the password :P
[01:31] <hussam> I know the password
[01:31] <nikkia> hussam, then you should be prompted
[01:31] <hussam> ark does not prompt me
[01:31] <nikkia> oh, ark
[01:31] <nikkia> i use unrar *shrug*
[01:32] <nikkia> ztonzy: there is no adblock for konq atm, but it is one of the features of 3.5 iirc
[01:32] <ztonzy> nikkia: I do hope :)
[01:33] <ztonzy> flash drags browser down
[01:33] <hussam> what is correct syntax? "unrar -e filename.rar" does nothing
[01:33] <nikkia> ztonzy: http://jrepin.blogspot.com/2005/07/jlps-kde-35-previews-part-1.html
[01:33] <hussam> I have unrar installed
[01:33] <nikkia> ztonzy: see the bit near the bottom about adblock/konq
[01:33] <nikkia> hussam: unrar x filename.rar
[01:34] <ztonzy> nikkia: aha...thanks
[01:43] <hussam> nikkia:thanks that worked
[01:55] <ztonzy> where's default images for KDE loaded...somewhere in /usr/share ??
[01:55] <ztonzy> located*
[01:56] <nikkia> yeah, pretty much
[01:57] <nikkia> a variety of places, /usr/share/pixmaps, /usr/share/wallpapers and /usr/share/icons
[01:58] <ztonzy> I always seem to forget where they are located :-\
[01:59] <ztonzy> hmm as standard...isn't there a pixmap for taskbar bakground ?
[02:03] <nikkia> erm, i don't know
[02:03] <ztonzy> mine have disspeared
[02:03] <nikkia> /usr/share/apps/kicker/wallpapers/default.png
[02:03] <nikkia> at least here
[02:03] <ztonzy> thanks
[02:04] <ztonzy> nikkia: :)
[02:04] <nikkia> anyone know how to get udev to reload its rules without trashing the running system ?
[02:07] <hussam> According to distrowatch.com , KDE 3.4.2 has been released. No word or news yet on kde.org
[02:07] <nikkia> source is in stable
[02:08] <nikkia> there's also:  ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.4.2/kubuntu/  :)
[02:10] <hussam> nikkia: that's great news thanks. Wow Kubuntu is indeed the best kde based distro ever.
[02:10] <insanekane> hussam: indeed :)
[02:11] <hussam> Not all distros will give you the most recent kde version.
[02:11] <buz> i wont use one that doesnt ;)
[02:12] <buz> now how do i add that as rep?
[02:13] <hussam> I'm guessing: deb ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.4.2/kubuntu/ hoary-updates main
[02:13] <hussam> I'll try that now
[02:13] <paines> hi
[02:13] <buz> i'm gonna give it a shot
[02:14] <paines> anyone know a kde tool which i can use to connect to a nokia mobile phone to sync phone numbers and stuff
[02:14] <paines> and which is availbale in kubuntu
[02:14] <buz> what is secpolicy
[02:15] <buz> it wants to update that
[02:15] <buz> secpolicy - KDE PAM security policy configuration tool
[02:16] <buz> now if only someone would package browsers and thunderbird when they get updated
[02:17] <_erik> what about a firewall for kubuntu ?
[02:17] <paines> guarddog
[02:18] <ztonzy> what is "kitchensync" ?
[02:18] <_erik> is there a basic firewall on the system? or must I install one ?
[02:19] <paines> _erik: try guarddog, it lets you close and open ports via point and click
[02:19] <paines> it straight forward
[02:19] <_erik> shorewall can be updated too
[02:19] <_erik> ill try both
[02:23] <buz> 3.4.2 upgrade downloaded
[02:23] <buz> installing
[02:23] <apokryphos> it's still not anounced, funnily enough
[02:23] <buz> who cares
[02:23] <paines> what ?
[02:23] <buz> kde 3.4.2
[02:23] <paines> kde 3.4.2 is out and no announce ?
[02:23] <apokryphos> buz: me? :P
[02:24] <apokryphos> paines: developers get packages some time before official release to have time to package
[02:24] <paines> apokryphos: wow
[02:24] <hussam> buz: same here. I've tried many distros and kubuntu seems more and more to be the best choice.
[02:24] <paines> so, i have to vbecome developer
[02:24] <buz> paines
[02:24] <buz> secpolicy - KDE PAM security policy configuration tool
[02:24] <buz> no wait
[02:24] <buz> i wanted to paste the repository url
[02:24] <apokryphos> paines: well, no -- kubuntu devs got it some time ago, so it's in a repository
[02:25] <paines> cool.
[02:25] <buz> deb ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.4.2/kubuntu/ hoary-updates
[02:25] <buz> woudl be better to get it from a mirror i guess
[02:25] <paines> thanks guys
[02:25] <apokryphos> ta
[02:25] <buz> once slashdot gets word kde will go down
[02:25] <hussam> you'll have to do a dist-upgrade as it needs to install additional stuff.
[02:25] <buz> as always
[02:25] <paines> doing linux since 95, and seen many things
[02:25] <apokryphos> hussam: really? What like?
[02:25] <paines> but ubuntu project is one of the coolest
[02:25] <buz> mhh dist-upgrade? really?
[02:25] <buz> what does it need?
[02:26] <buz> tho i run dist-upgrade every once in a while
[02:26] <buz> so i might be fine
[02:26] <hussam> apokryphos: kpovmodeler, krec , ksirc ...
[02:26] <buz> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[02:26] <buz>   imlib-base imlib1 kaboodle kcoloredit kdat kdelirc kdict kdvi kget khexedit kiconedit kmid kpackage kpovmodeler krec ksirc ksysv ktimer ktip kuickshow
[02:26] <buz>   libarts1-mpeglib libpng10-0 mpeglib noatun
[02:26] <buz> The following packages will be upgraded:
[02:26] <buz>   kdeadmin kdebase kdegraphics kdemultimedia kdenetwork kdeutils
[02:26] <buz> that is dist-upgrade after upgrade
[02:26] <apokryphos> hussam: why do you need dist-upgrade for that?
[02:27] <apokryphos> hussam: I'd only really want stuff that kubuntu-desktop would bring in, anyhow.
[02:27] <hussam> apokryphos: also kaboodle.
[02:27] <buz> well kdeadmin would come with kubuntu-desktop i guess
[02:27] <hussam> apokryphos: with regular upgrade, it will hold some updates
[02:27] <buz> and likely not work very smooth
[02:27] <buz> so dist-upgrade
[02:28] <apokryphos> buz: err, why wouldn't it be smooth?
[02:28] <buz> who knows what happens if you use kdeadmin 3.4.1 with otherwise 3.4.2
[02:28] <buz> also kdenetwork
[02:28] <apokryphos> confused. Why would that happen?
[02:28] <buz> cause kdeadmin came in with the dist-upgrade
[02:28] <buz> wasnt upgraded otherwise
[02:29] <buz> "kdeadmin kdebase kdegraphics kdemultimedia kdenetwork kdeutils"
[02:29] <apokryphos> kubuntu-desktop doesn't depend on it?
[02:29] <buz> i really rather have those upgraded as well
[02:29] <apokryphos> Gotta do something; will check this in a sec
[02:29] <buz> well i'll restart x
[02:29] <buz> that is what i have to do right?
[02:30] <apokryphos> not necessary..
[02:30] <buz> mhh seems to have worked
[02:31] <buz> apokryphos: you could try upgrade of course
[02:31] <buz> see what happens
[02:32] <apokryphos> I'm not saying anything would go wrong of course; just that I'm not sure it's necessary. I haven't got to it yet so I don't know for sure
[02:32] <apokryphos> writing an email; brb
[02:32] <buz> well it seems some rather core stuff doesnt get upgraded without dist-upgrade
[02:32] <buz> hussam did you try plain upgrade?
[02:32] <buz> besides it doesnt seem to hurt anything ;)
[02:33] <hussam> I did sudo apt-get upgrade but it was going to hold some packages so I did apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:34] <buz> well it works with dist-upgrade so why bother
[02:34] <buz> didnt notice anything bad so far
[02:34] <hussam> buz: you're done?
[02:34] <buz> yes
[02:34] <buz> since 5 minutes
[02:35] <buz> it's about 90mb download
[02:36] <apokryphos> ok, back
[02:36] <buz> http://img226.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kde7zx.png
[02:37] <apokryphos> hm, kind of wondering why I'm getting an update error. Shouldn't that have "main" as well as hoary-extras?
[02:37] <buz> i had deb ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.4.2/kubuntu/ hoary-updates
[02:37] <apokryphos> still, it complains of a gzip error
[02:37] <buz> no main
[02:37] <toma> wow, crowded here
[02:38] <apokryphos> buz: that exact thing gives me E: Malformed line 35 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse)
[02:38] <apokryphos> odd
[02:38] <mentat-> anyone want to help a complete noob trying with Kubunu on an Acer Aspire laptop?  Having trouble with administrator mode to set up networking.  i enter my password to enter admin mode, it says "loading" with the red box, then it just disappears and dumps me back to the control center page
[02:39] <buz> no sorry, main is in there as well
[02:39] <apokryphos> mentat-: alt+f2 -> kdesu kcontrol
[02:39] <buz> i didnt notice it got concatenaed with my prompt as i didnt have a trailing slash
[02:39] <buz> newline i mean
[02:39] <jpatrick> mentat: that happenes sometimes
[02:40] <mentat-> it was odd... i had the lappie with me at work (with no network connections available) and admin mode worked.  i get it home to actually plug it into the net, and i can't configure
[02:40] <toma> I've a small question about my installation. I'm working in a chroot environment to prepare kubuntu for booting.  Probably something with udev? does anyone know how to solve this?
[02:40] <insanekane> toma:
[02:40] <apokryphos> mentat-: yup, it's a known bug.
[02:40] <insanekane> toma: yes, you need to regen initrd
[02:41] <apokryphos> buz: do you not have anything else? I still get an error ( http://pastebin.com/323652 )
[02:41] <mentat-> oh ok good, thought it was just me.  having absolute shite luck with computers lately
[02:41] <toma> insanekane: sorry, i don't understand...
[02:41] <buz> did you add main?
[02:41] <insanekane> toma: err, sorry, wrong fix :)
[02:41] <apokryphos> buz: correct
[02:42] <mentat-> apokryphos: that command didn't seem to do anything - it asked for my password and disappeared too.
[02:42] <apokryphos> buz: nevermind, I'll use Kubuntu's repo
[02:42] <buz> apokryphos: http://pastebin.com/323653
[02:42] <apokryphos> mentat-: kcontrol didn't start up?
[02:42] <mentat-> nope... it asked for my pw, which i entered, and then nothing
[02:42] <apokryphos> mentat-: close all versions of kcontrol, then alt+f2 -> kcontrol. You should be running kcontrol in admin mode
[02:43] <apokryphos> mentat-: your *user* password, right?
[02:43] <mentat-> yup
[02:43] <apokryphos> mentat-: ok, try running sudo kcontrol in Konsole
[02:43] <mentat-> kcontrol = control center?
[02:43] <apokryphos> Correct
[02:43] <toma> insanekane: any idea?
[02:43] <insanekane> i had trouble with admin mode ... after i set a root password with sudo passwd, it started working
[02:43] <apokryphos> buz: heh, interesting.  Stuck to debian
[02:45] <apokryphos> hussam, buz: ah, I see -- the kubuntu-desktop pack hasn't been updated, that's why.
[02:45] <mentat-> i think
[02:45] <insanekane> toma: i had some errors with kernel not booting because it claimed my partition was not a block device ... the fix was to regenerate initrd, using mkinitrd ... since you get  bug with mkinitrd, i think the fix for my problem doesnt apply to u
[02:45] <toma> insanekane: right.
[02:45] <apokryphos> mentat-: add this to your /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde342 hoary-updates main ; then sudo apt-get update, then sudo apt-get upgrade
[02:45] <insanekane> mentat-: try by setting a root password ... it did work for me .. dunno how it will work for you though
[02:46] <mentat-> ooh errors when sudo kcontrol from console, a bunch of stuff saying "owned by udi 1000 instead of uid 0"
[02:46] <mentat-> kane: tried that too but no luck... basically i reinstalled while at work last night, and the first time i went to kcontrol>network settings the admin login worked
[02:46] <mentat-> but since then, nothing
[02:46] <insanekane> mentat-: try kdesu kcontrol
[02:46] <apokryphos> Looks like your permissions are a little mucked up there :|
[02:47] <mentat-> poop
[02:47] <mentat-> this is a fresh install from last night
[02:47] <buz> amarok 1.2.3
[02:47] <apokryphos> mentat-: is this a new user, by any chance?
[02:47] <apokryphos> buz: :|
[02:47] <mentat-> negative, the only user there, from the install
[02:47] <mentat-> matthew = me
[02:47] <mentat-> bleh
[02:47] <apokryphos> mentat-: try what insanekane said. If it worked for him, it may work for you...
[02:48] <apokryphos> mentat-: if you have time I strongly recommend upgrading, though.
[02:48] <apokryphos> A lot of bugfixes in the latest update
[02:48] <mentat-> this is discouraging because even if i get my lan to work it looks like people are having trouble with the wifi in these notebooks
[02:48] <mentat-> point me to the newest x86 install? i have 5.04 now....
[02:49] <apokryphos> mentat-: just add that line into the file I said, then execute those commands
[02:49] <apokryphos> it'll do it
[02:49] <buz> 5.04
[02:49] <mentat-> ok thanks i'll try
[02:49] <mentat-> bear in mind i am a complete and utter noob to linux
[02:49] <mentat-> i just open that file in a text editor and save it, then run those commands?
[02:49] <jpatrick> 50 minutes to download KDE 3.4.2...
[02:49] <apokryphos> mentat-: no problem at all. Let us know if there's any part you get stuck on; we're here to help ;-)
[02:50] <mentat-> you guys rox0r
[02:50] <apokryphos> 1m35s :P
[02:50] <mentat-> plus One Crazy Summer is on comedy central right now so htf am i supposed to concentrate
[02:50] <nikkia> i'm not, i'm here for the free sandwiches
[02:51] <apokryphos> nikkia: the ones with cucumber, cheese and ham are the best. Hands off!
[02:51] <apokryphos> nikkia: no modem arrival yet?
[02:51] <nikkia> apokryphos: no, i emailed cust. service earlier
[02:51] <apokryphos> nikkia: 3.4.2 was delayed to today, actually (heh, we'll see).
[02:51] <nikkia> apokryphos: i don't expect a reply before the modem
[02:51] <apokryphos> hehe
[02:51] <nikkia> apokryphos: erm, its already out
[02:52] <apokryphos> nikkia: no, it's not
[02:52] <apokryphos> (not officially)
[02:52] <jpatrick> now it's 40mins @ 40kB/s
[02:52] <nikkia> ah, word-weasel!  Either do something like kdesu kate, or sudo kwrite from Konsole
[02:54] <mentat-> oh ok
[02:54] <nikkia> apokryphos: sources are on the kde ftp, 'officially released' be damned
[02:54] <nikkia> apokryphos: i have no intention of upgrading til the weekend however
[02:54] <apokryphos> available for download?
[02:54] <nikkia> apokryphos: yes
[02:54] <apokryphos> Interesting. Anouncement hasn't been made yet ( http://kde.org/announcements/announce-3.4.2.php )
[02:54] <nikkia> ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.4.2/src/
[02:55] <buz> rotfl
[02:55] <apokryphos> I wonder why it's not anounced...
[02:55] <jpatrick> I'm closing Konversion to speed things up..
[02:55] <buz> i wonder how long it will take until someone posts it on slashdot
[02:55] <jpatrick> cya
[02:55] <nikkia> apokryphos: i might try using the xdelta files
[02:55] <nikkia> apokryphos: i imagine i need a program called 'xdelta' to apply them, however
[02:55] <mentat-> apokryphos: stupid windows user question - i dont have to reboot or anything before running those apt commands after changing sources.list right
[02:56] <buz> mentat-: no
[02:56] <buz> but perhaps after running them
[02:56] <apokryphos> After running them you should at least relogin in
[02:57] <mentat-> erm i just realized
[02:57] <mentat-> those commands are to get the upgrade
[02:57] <mentat-> over an internet connection
[02:57] <mentat-> which i cant get to work
[02:57] <buz> yes
[02:57] <mentat-> hehe
[02:57] <mentat-> is there a new updated install CD
[03:01] <apokryphos> hm, problem with upgrade is that current firefox breaks install. No worries
[03:01] <buz> so did your upgrade work?
[03:01] <buz> huuh
[03:01] <buz> my firefox works fine
[03:02] <apokryphos> firefox in backports had issues
[03:02] <apokryphos> had to uninstall it, remove backports, and now will reinstall it
[03:02] <apokryphos> got 3.4.2 fine now. Gonna check groupware stuff in a sec
[03:02] <brosio> ehy the version of kopete in warty is altredy patched ?
[03:02] <brosio> i read an advisor for kopete
[03:02] <brosio> http://www.kde.org/info/security/advisory-20050721-1.txt
[03:03] <buz> kontact launces fine for me
[03:03] <apokryphos> Kontact itself was fine; groupware stuff I was having problems with though
[03:03] <buz> groupware stuff???
[03:03] <buz> like what
[03:03] <apokryphos> kolab
[03:03] <buz> ah i dont use that
[03:03] <apokryphos> it's pretty new
[03:04] <buz> i hooked kontact up with egroupware
[03:04] <buz> works for ht emost part
[03:04] <buz> yikes
[03:04] <buz> kolab uses a whole bunch of software i cant stand
[03:05] <buz> is there an online demo of kolab
[03:05] <buz> ah it uses horde for web
[03:05] <buz> i dont care much for that one either
[03:07] <apokryphos> it's all very new to me, but looks very handy so far
[03:08] <buz> mhh its more complete than egroupware i guess
[03:08] <buz> egroupware doesnt manage the mailserver itself
[03:08] <buz> and outlook doesnt work with it afaik
[03:08] <buz> but i could care less for outlook
[03:14] <insanekane> will some of u pls stop using the breezy repository ? ;) i just downloaded 178 MB to compile OOo and now it times out on the last 17.4kb !!!! :/
[03:20] <buz> compile oo?
[03:20] <buz> you must be masochist
[03:23] <may> bouh
[03:24] <insanekane> buz: just frustrated ... been trying to download 17.4 kb (libpango0) for the past hour
[03:24] <insanekane> buz: always timing out :/
[03:25] <buz> try another rep?
[03:25] <insanekane> WOOHOO !!!
[03:25] <insanekane> it worked finally !!
[03:25] <insanekane> now hoping kde 3.4.2 works
[03:27] <nikkia> you know, k3b is actually *great* when you compile it against every multimedia library known to man :P
[03:38] <apokryphos> aha, now it's been officially released.
[03:42] <nikkia> apokryphos: i'm too busy pirating CDs for my mum :P
[03:43] <apokryphos> hehe
[03:44] <Riddell> 3.4.2 out http://dot.kde.org/1122553679
[03:45] <apokryphos> now we just need the kubuntu anouncement ;-)
[03:53] <apokryphos> oh, it is there.
[03:56] <apokryphos> Riddell: does the new repo have Koffice 1.4 in it?
[03:56] <apokryphos> *1.4.1/1.4.2
[03:57] <Riddell> apokryphos: koffice 1.4.1 is in the koffice 1.4.1 repository :)
[03:57] <Riddell> see news section on kubuntu.org
[03:57] <apokryphos> Yeah, just wonderd if they were both in the new one now.
[03:57] <Riddell> no, they're kept separate mainly because that's how download.kde.org needs it
[03:58] <apokryphos> Riddell: I still think it's a bit odd adding all these new repos each time for an upgrade :P.
[03:58] <apokryphos> Backports really would be cool (Ubuntu-wise, that's where they should go, I think), but if download.kde.org needs it that way, then no worries
[04:01] <brosio> anyone that have ubuntu on amd64 can said me which version is on repository ?
[04:02] <apokryphos> Would have been cool if the dot article mentioned that Kubuntu had packaged it already ;-)
[04:02] <darkphader> got a mouse problem on kubuntu 5.04
[04:02] <darkphader> logitech usb mouse
[04:02] <darkphader> on boot is dead
[04:02] <darkphader> unplug and replug and it weorks
[04:03] <darkphader> any known fix?
[04:03] <supernix> Hiya gang
[04:03] <supernix> WASSUP
[04:03] <nikkia> erm, wow... 0.6KB/s from sourceforge
[04:04] <supernix> I need someone to help me figure out if I might have been compromised
[04:04] <buz> do you use tripwire'
[04:04] <supernix> nope
[04:04] <buz> could get hard then
[04:05] <supernix> I have heard of it but never used it
[04:05] <buz> what you could do
[04:05] <buz> boot from livecd
[04:05] <buz> and check files against known good ones
[04:05] <supernix> do they have a root kit checker ?
[04:06] <buz> i doubt it
[04:06] <buz> apt might have md5 sums though
[04:06] <buz> dunno for sure
[04:19] <insanekane> how do i force apt to use some kind of compression when doing dist-upgrade ?
[04:19] <insanekane> otherwise upgrade will take 4 days !!! ;/
[04:19] <buz> i thought debs were already compressed
[04:20] <insanekane> buz: just wondering ...
[04:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> they are compressed
[04:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> bz2 IIRC?
[04:47] <buz> i dont believe it
[04:47] <buz> viewing in tab still is broken in akregator
[04:47] <buz> how hard can it be
[04:48] <nikkia> obviously too hard :P
[04:48] <buz> it insists on launching firefox if you have firefox as default browser
[04:48] <buz> which sorta destroys the view in tab functionality :(
[04:48] <buz> what version of akregator was in 3.4.1
[04:49] <nikkia> 1.1.1
[04:49] <buz> ah its the same now
[04:50] <pointwood> where do you change the brightness and such in Kaffeine?
[05:00] <buz> has anyone got instructions on using gecko in konqueror? not being able to use htmlarea sucks
[05:00] <mart> buz: htmlarea in konq works fine here
[05:00] <buz> weird
[05:00] <buz> must try again
[05:01] <buz> http://www.dynarch.com/demos/htmlarea/examples/core.html i only get a normal textarea
[05:01] <mart> ah, that htmlarea
[05:01] <buz> or pretty much any "wysiwyg" control
[05:02] <mart> you need a different browser
[05:02] <buz> i know
[05:02] <buz> but there once was a project to use gecko as engine for konqueror
[05:02] <buz> i'm getting pissed off at firefox meager speed lately
[05:02] <mart> yep, but that doesn't mean its available with instructions
[05:03] <buz> too bad
[05:03] <buz> i think its rather painful to use a cms then format entries by hand :(
[05:03] <mart> I think there are other wysiwyg ones that do work
[05:04] <buz> neither tinymce nor xinha do
[05:06] <nikkia> buz, used 1.0.6 yet ?
[05:06] <buz> sure
[05:06] <buz> since day 1
[05:07] <nikkia> buz, ok, since you said about its speed, 1.0.6 is a lot faster for me than 1.0.4 was
[05:07] <buz> still sucks compared to windows really
[05:07] <buz>  i can see it rendering pages
[05:07] <buz> on a 2.5ghz machine
[05:07] <nikkia> firefox on windows? or IE on windows?
[05:07] <buz> ff on windows feels faster
[05:07] <nikkia> firefox on windows is just as slow for me
[05:08] <jjesse> FF on my windows box kicks the processor to 99%
[05:08] <jjesse> i dont' use it :(
[05:08] <buz> konqueror is faster than firefox
[05:08] <buz> i dont think its a gecko problem as much as xul
[05:13] <vincentmx> druk ineens
[05:14] <jpowers> buz: konqi may be faster than firefox but there are quite a few sites out there that just don't work with konqi
[05:14] <martinjh99> Congrats on getting 3.4.2 out... :)
[05:17] <buz> yes
[05:17] <buz> and no extensions in konq
[05:17] <mart> konq has extensions
[05:18] <jpowers> I use konqi for most stuff, but I still have to keep firefox around as backup
[05:18] <mart> konq-plugins - plugins for Konqueror, the KDE file/web/doc browser
[05:18] <mart> konqueror-nsplugins - Netscape plugin support for Konqueror
[05:18] <mart> konq-speaker - text-to-speech plugins for Konqueror and Kate
[05:19] <buz> i was referring to XUL extensions rather than binary plugins
[05:19] <buz> think webdeveloper toolbar
[05:19] <buz> or flashblock
[05:19] <buz> which is rather invaluable
[05:19] <mart> konq has different plugins
[05:19] <buz> sure
[05:19] <buz> but nothing like firefox extensions
[05:20] <martinjh99> I dont bother using konqi for web browsing - Much prefer Firefox meself... ;)
[05:20] <buz> yeah me too
[05:20] <mart> buz: so use firefox if it's better for you
[05:20] <buz> but konqi is faster
[05:21] <buz> and firefox crqashed twice today
[05:21] <mart> then go code your plugins for konq then
[05:21] <buz> i might be a student but i dont have unlimited time ;)
[05:22] <mart> likewise the konq devs
[05:22] <martinjh99> Guys I want to try out juk as my media player do I need another package to play mp3's?
[05:25] <laser_tk> When upgrading kde 3.4.1 to 3.4.2 apt-get says: The following packages cannot be authenticated. Continue installing?
[05:25] <martinjh99> laser - Its fine don't worry about it///
[05:25] <laser_tk> ok
[05:26] <martinjh99> Why would it want to install tex though?? *Boggles*
[05:28] <mart> for kile, maybe
[05:28] <martinjh99> Could be yeah - I have a feeling its installing more this time than it did from stock kubuntu to 3.4.1 ...
[05:29] <frank> so kde 3.4.2 is out
[05:29] <martinjh99> Yup it is frank - UPgrading as we speak... ;)
[05:29] <frank> any problems with it
[05:29] <martinjh99> Look in the channel topic...
[05:29] <martinjh99> Dont know yet...
[05:31] <mart> excellent, I try and upgrade kdvi and it offers to remove some gnome stuff
[05:31] <mart> all upgrades should be like this
[05:33] <mart> and it fixes the bug
[05:36] <frank> I wonder why it has to install things like noatun. I didn.t have it before
[05:39] <martinjh99> Frank> Not a clue...  I just did a dist-upgrade...
[05:41] <frank> apt should have a patch system where it can download only a patch and not the whole thing all over again
[05:41] <martinjh99> Frank> Good idea - I mean it took me 20mins to download 3.4.2...
[05:42] <frank> its not much of an issue for fast connection (I don't really care) but people on dialup are real
[05:42] <martinjh99> Im on cable so its not much of an issue for me as you say...
[05:42] <JakubS_> kdemultimedia started to depend on noatun for some reason
[05:43] <wdh> frank, that would be hard when using binaries :P
[05:44] <martinjh99> Right back in a minute or two... ;)  KDE 3.4.2 has just been installed ;)
[05:44] <JakubS_> damn, i have to remove most of kde* metapackages to avoid installing noatun, ksirc, etc.
[05:45] <Mose`> hello
[05:45] <frank> JakubS_: I just let it go install what it wanted
[05:45] <Mose`> how can i make my Konsole look fully transparent anr borderless?
[05:45] <Mose`> *and
[05:45] <JakubS_> i don't want to have noatun stealing media files associations
[05:46] <martinjh99> Well no probs upgrading here at all...
[05:49] <frank> restarting kde...
[05:49] <Mose`> how to save Konsole position on screen?
[05:51] <insanekane> Mose`: you mean via a program ?
[05:51] <insanekane> Mose`: else you can use the advanced settings
[05:52] <insanekane> Mose`: window menu -> Advanced -> Special window settings
[05:53] <Mose`> mhm, thank you :}
[05:55] <frank> Nothing seems to have changed with kde, I giess that;s a good thing! noatun is installed but has no menu entry
[05:57] <nikkia> frank, 'kappfinder' is your friend
[05:58] <nikkia> altho, to be honest, i don't know if it'll find KDE apps that aren't menu'ed
[05:59] <frank> nikkia: I can do the menu entry myself but that's not even the only new media player installed. How many do they think I need?
[06:02] <akrus> hello
[06:02] <akrus> I need help
[06:02] <akrus> I've compiled kernel 2.6.12-3
[06:02] <akrus> and now lilo doesn't work
[06:03] <akrus> it says "No partition selected." while loading, and then stops
[06:03] <akrus> wow, new kde
[06:04] <apokryphos> akrus: only bugfixes, really.
[06:04] <akrus> anyway
[06:04] <akrus> well, can someone help me with lilo?
[06:04] <frank> that's the best kind of fixes
[06:05] <frank> With kde 3.4.0 I was bragging to my friend that "linux never crashes" only to have konqueror crash a few times
[06:05] <akrus> well
[06:05] <akrus> so what's up with lilo?
[06:05] <frank> I don't really know lilo
[06:06] <akrus> I love grub
[06:06] <akrus> but I can't load it
[06:06] <akrus> it says: bshell cannot load (or something like this)
[06:06] <frank> probably its the lilo equivalent to menu.list in grub
[06:06] <Kejk_PL> akrus: can grub have nice image on bachgound>
[06:06] <Kejk_PL> ?
[06:06] <akrus> Kejk_PL: I think yes :)
[06:08] <akrus> lilo says when I'm reloading it: "Fatal: Kernel doesn't support initial RAM disks"
[06:08] <frank> magic! I repaired ksysguard applet
[06:09] <akrus> well, I should recompile it?
[06:09] <frank> is it the stock kernel?
[06:09] <akrus> stock?
[06:09] <akrus> www.kernel.org
[06:10] <frank> I mean packaged by ubuntu?
[06:10] <akrus> nope
[06:10] <akrus> I've downloaded and compiled it
[06:11] <frank> rafting acronym: AMF YOYO - Adios my friend, you're on your own!
[06:12] <mart> akrus: you either need to build it with initrd support (probably need to use the kernel-patch-debian stuff) or remove the initrd stuff from your lilo.conf
[06:12] <paines> hi
[06:13] <paines> could it be that amd64 packages are not yet build for 3.4.2
[06:13] <akrus> well
[06:13] <akrus> will it work without initrd?
[06:13] <goldfish> hmm yeah knoqueror just crashed there on me, 1st time :(
[06:14] <goldfish> frank jinxed me!
[06:14] <frank> goldfish: kde 3.4.0?
[06:15] <goldfish> good question :)
[06:15] <mart> akrus: I use hoary without initrd
[06:15] <goldfish> frank: actually, it's not.
[06:15] <mart> but I've compiled all the essential stuff into the kernel
[06:16] <apokryphos> goldfish: what version?
[06:16] <frank> goldfish: which version? and it crashed? I never crashed knoqueror since I updated to kde 3.4.1
[06:16] <akrus> well
[06:16] <akrus> I need initrd to load modules?
[06:16] <akrus> do I need...
[06:16] <akrus> :)
[06:16] <akrus> sorry for my english
[06:17] <apokryphos> akrus: you may have more luck in #ubuntu regarding grub/lilo issues
[06:17] <mart> akrus: no
[06:17] <akrus> well, I'll try now
[06:17] <akrus> thanks everyone
[06:17] <akrus> ubuntu is really nice ^^
[06:17] <mart> akrus: you just need to enable the options in the modules menu in the kernel
[06:17] <goldfish> 3.4.1
[06:18] <goldfish> as far as i am aware
[06:18] <apokryphos> Konqueror's never had any cosnsistent problem of crashing for me (it maybe has once or twice), regardless of version, but it may be worth upgrading to 3.4.2
[06:18] <mart> akrus, you just need to make sure that all the stuff that you really need to boot is in the kernel, not as a module
[06:18] <TestMAD> sweet..342 is out
[06:18] <mart> crap, he's gone
[06:19] <apokryphos> :S
[06:22] <TestMAD> well..bout to try and fix my kubuntu and install the nvidia drivers..
[06:22] <TestMAD> brb.
[06:27] <patrick> back
[06:27] <patrick> it seems that upgrading to KDE 3.4.2 killed my internet connection..
[06:28] <patrick> had to reinstall Kubuntu
[06:30] <apokryphos> I really don't know why people see "reinstall Kubuntu" as an option
[06:31] <mart> apokryphos: because so many people are used to win32? :)
[06:31] <apokryphos> and upgrading to 3.4.2 could not possibly not allow your computer to access the Internet, it doesn't touch that stuff
[06:31] <apokryphos> mart: true
[06:31] <patrick> I tried to change the settings...
[06:31] <patrick> didn't work
[06:32] <patrick> I don't dual boot
[06:32] <apokryphos> your Internet disconnected after you logged out of KDE?
[06:33] <patrick> I finished downloading everything then I rebooted - everything was fine
[06:33] <apokryphos> no need to reboot, for one.
[06:33] <patrick> it cut me off for some reason
[06:33] <apokryphos> just relogin
[06:33] <patrick> oh
[06:33] <patrick> I have to download again
[06:34] <mart> download what again?
[06:34] <patrick> KDE 3.4.2
[06:34] <mart> apt will be normally be fine if you interrupt it
[06:35] <mart> it caches your downloads
[06:35] <mart> and will resume properly
[06:35] <patrick> Not if I formatter my HDs
[06:35] <apokryphos> mart: I don't think it was that his apt was interrupted
[06:35] <patrick> formatted*
[06:35] <patrick> it wasn't
[06:36] <patrick> it just couldn't connect to the Net
[06:36] <mart> which options did you change?
[06:36] <apokryphos> do you use a modem?
[06:36] <patrick> no
[06:36] <patrick> I didn't change any options
[06:36] <apokryphos> you must have made some other network changes before installing new kde/rebooting. KDE wouldn't touch the Internet
[06:37] <patrick> hmm..
[06:37] <mart> else the mirror you were using died, perhaps?
[06:37] <patrick> it finished downloading
[06:37] <mart> and unpacked/installed?
[06:37] <patrick> yes
[06:37] <apokryphos> try upgrading again -- add new repo, update, then upgrade
[06:38] <patrick> I did
[06:38] <patrick> it's doing so now
[06:38] <apokryphos> ok, then you just need to relogin.
[06:38] <patrick> right
[06:40] <apokryphos> the only time you ever need to reboot is when you wanna put a new kernel or do a full dist-upgrade. For everything else you should be fine to either kill X, or just relogin
[06:40] <patrick> have to do that in October then..
[06:41] <apokryphos> yeah, or sooner.
[06:41] <mart> hence:
[06:41] <mart> > $ uptime
[06:41] <mart> >  17:40:35 up 24 days,  1:48,...
[06:42] <apokryphos> most I've seen so far is 365 days, I believe.
[06:42] <apokryphos> (not mine)
[06:43] <mart> yeah, but 24 days isn't bad given my install logs say I only installed kubuntu on Jun 27 :)
[06:43] <apokryphos> heh. I generally don't seem to go more than 4/5 days. Feel guilty after hearing that it takes 5 full powerstations to run the computers of America-users when they're not using them :|
[06:44] <apokryphos> desktop users that is, I believe. Something like that, anyhow.
[06:45] <mart> apokryphos: surely not an American who cares about the environment!?!
[06:45] <apokryphos> mart: I'm a Londoner :P
[06:46] <patrick> me too
[06:46] <mart> ah, the big bullseye in the south
[06:52] <supernix>  /uptime
[06:53] <supernix> hmmmm
[06:53] <goldfish> :)
[06:54] <supernix> hmmm my command aliases aren't working now
[06:54] <supernix> Uptime: 2 days, 18 hours and 18 minutes
[06:54] <supernix> hmmm well maybe they are
[06:57] <supernix> hey guys anyone know of any exploits that might have been found in the last month ?
[06:57] <goldfish> anyone ever have the problem of downloading a file with konqueror the status is at 100% from the beginning?
[06:57] <mart> supernix: zlib, mysql
[06:57] <supernix> what can they cause ?
[06:58] <mart> zlib, could be anything, everything uses it
[06:58] <supernix> bbl mart thanks for your assistance boss is ragging me to get something else done
[06:58] <mart> heh
[07:13] <testmad> how do i stop x?
[07:14] <mart> testmad: log out
[07:14] <testmad> umm..from console
[07:14] <goldfish> ?
[07:14] <goldfish> get the pid and kill it
[07:14] <mart> testmad: /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[07:14] <testmad> k.
[07:14] <testmad> im installing nvidia drivers.yea..
[07:14] <mart> assuming you're using kdm, of course
[07:15] <goldfish> you know when u run kaffiene for the first time, can u get that install screen back again?
[07:17] <il_padrino> hi
[07:17] <il_padrino> i need help
[07:17] <il_padrino> how have a kde.dekstop
[07:17] <il_padrino> pls
[07:17] <il_padrino> :P
[07:19] <patrick> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[07:21] <testmad> how do i get gcc?
[07:21] <testmad> i should already have it tho right..
[07:21] <patrick> sudo apt-get install g++ ?
[07:22] <testmad> or should i just install build-essentials?
[07:22] <goldfish> build-essentials
[07:22] <testmad> k
[07:22] <patrick> yeah
[07:22] <il_padrino> patrick,
[07:22] <patrick> yeah?
[07:22] <il_padrino> but kubuntu-desktop install kdm
[07:22] <il_padrino> and i have gdm
[07:22] <il_padrino> :P
[07:23] <patrick> so use kdm when it asks you
[07:23] <patrick> it asks you when you finish downloading kubuntu-desktop
[07:23] <testmad> ok.now i need the source for my kernel..
[07:23] <testmad> how do i get that?
[07:24] <patrick> i have no idea :-/
[07:24] <mart> it's packaged
[07:24] <il_padrino> patrick, xD
[07:24] <il_padrino> tnx
[07:24] <testmad> apt-get install linux-k7-source?
[07:24] <patrick> :)
[07:24] <mart> you expect me to guess what kernel you're using?
[07:25] <testmad> im using the k7 kernel
[07:25] <jjesse> what version of k7, k7 is amd right?
[07:25] <testmad> yea
[07:26] <jjesse> so version 2.X.X of the k7 version do you have installed?
[07:26] <testmad> and how do i see what version of kernel i got?
[07:26] <patrick> Control Panel
[07:26] <testmad> umm..in cosole
[07:26] <patrick> Centre*
[07:27] <patrick> kernel --verison ?
[07:27] <testmad> i cnt use x right now..need the nvidia drivers installed first
[07:27] <testmad> didnt werk
[07:27] <patrick> version*
[07:27] <delltony> uname -a
[07:27] <patrick> typo :(
[07:28] <testmad> hmm..
[07:28] <testmad> still seeing the old kernel..
[07:28] <testmad> gotta reboot
[07:28] <mart> er, you should be able to get x working without the nvidea binary drivers
[07:28] <testmad> brb
[07:30] <testmad> back..
[07:31] <testmad> 2.6.10-5-k7
[07:31] <testmad> thats what i got
[07:31] <jjesse> so you have version 2.6.10 of the linux kernel compiled for K7
[07:32] <testmad> yea
[07:32] <testmad> how do i stop x again
[07:32] <testmad> i need to write that down
[07:33] <testmad> n/m
[07:33] <testmad> i got it
[07:33] <testmad> but how do i get source?
[07:34] <mart> testmad: get the package with the source
[07:34] <testmad> what do you mean?
[07:34] <mart> there's a package, and it contains the source code for the linux kernel
[07:34] <testmad> i know that
[07:34] <mart> so install it
[07:34] <testmad> but i dont know what to type
[07:35] <patrick> I have one error
[07:35] <testmad> ive tried sudo apt-get install linux-k7-source
[07:35] <testmad> thats all..
[07:35] <testmad> but i dont know the packages name
[07:35] <patrick> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.2-0ubuntu0hoary1_all.deb (--unpack):
[07:35] <patrick>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/default.kde', which is also in package knetworkconf
[07:35] <patrick> oppss
[07:35] <patrick> sorry
[07:35] <mart> there's no package with that name
[07:35] <testmad> i know that nowl.
[07:35] <mart> apt-cache search linux-source
[07:36] <testmad> ok..thnx
[07:36] <mart> it's not like there's gonna be a separate package for the k7 source
[07:36] <testmad> i think there is
[07:36] <mart> architecture is just a compile option
[07:36] <mart> testmad: well let me know when you find it :)
[07:38] <testmad> i found itt
[07:38] <testmad> installign headers now
[07:40] <mart> testmad: headers != source, you asked for the package with source
[07:40] <testmad> sorry
[07:40] <testmad> but it compiled and installed
[07:40] <testmad> thnx for the help
[07:41] <hussam> why are the packages of kde 3.4.2 missing kdeartwork? will it be uploaded later on?
[07:41] <Jeezis> how would i restart the artsd sound server?
[07:41] <patrick> got to work
[07:42] <patrick> got it to work*
[07:45] <patrick> relogging in
[07:45] <patrick> i hope this works..
[07:47] <patrick> okay
[07:48] <patrick> the control center's gone missing
[07:49] <patrick> wb
[07:50] <ztonzy> wee
[07:50] <ztonzy> upgrading to kde 3.4.2
[07:51] <patrick> i just did
[07:51] <HostingGeek> il_padrino: hey
[07:52] <HostingGeek> il_padrino: do you mind being banned from #vhcs I want to ban *.cl as there have been some cases of annoyence from that zone
[07:53] <HostingGeek> il_padrino: you where one of the only people that is using .cl on this network...
[07:56] <HostingGeek> hmmm
[07:56] <HostingGeek> bit weird...
[07:56] <HostingGeek> cya fellows
[07:56] <patrick> bye
[07:57] <HostingGeek> your going to like my part message ;)
[07:58] <ztonzy> when is it needed to do 'apt-get dist-upgrade' ?
[07:58] <jpatrick> if you want breezy
[07:58] <mart> ztonzy: in general, when a package needs to be removed in order to upgrade other packages
[07:59] <jpatrick> oh
[07:59] <ztonzy> mart: ah, so rarely?
[07:59] <mart> ztonzy: yes, quite rarely
[08:00] <mart> ztonzy: you need to be very careful when you do dist-upgrades to check that nothing important is being removed
[08:00] <jpatrick> have you finished downloading
[08:00] <jpatrick> ?
[08:00] <ztonzy> mart: I guess...
[08:00] <mart> but you don't have this worry when you just upgrade
[08:00] <ztonzy> jpatrick: asking me ?
[08:01] <ztonzy> I dont...I just upgrading kde
[08:01] <jpatrick> you have KDE 3.4.2?
[08:01] <ztonzy> or updating...
[08:01] <ztonzy> jpatrick: soon
[08:01] <jpatrick> :) okay
[08:01] <ztonzy> the server was slow compared to my connection :)
[08:02] <ztonzy> the server could be 10 times faster if it was possible...I got 24/1 mbit/s ADSL
[08:03] <ztonzy> brb :)
[08:08] <Zactivix|Zzz> hello?
[08:09] <Zactivix> :|
[08:10] <ztonzy> hmm
[08:10] <ztonzy> how to fix the settings control as to look as a list and not as iconview
[08:10] <ztonzy> after upgraded to kde 3.4.2
[08:12] <testmad> ok..think i got it all fixed..
[08:12] <testmad> reboot
[08:12] <jake1> ok.. so i am trying to compile something from source, but it appears i do not have a C compiler.... any suggestions of which i should use
[08:13] <jpatrick> I only know C++
[08:14] <jpatrick> try searching..
[08:16] <jjesse> install gcc i think it is
[08:17] <testmad> now this is nice
[08:17] <testmad> before..i was getting 350 fps in glxgears..now im getting 657.
[08:17] <testmad> fullscreen
[08:19] <Zactivix> anyone know of a good FTP client?
[08:19] <Zactivix> and where I can get one for Kubuntu?
[08:19] <jpatrick> KGet
[08:20] <Zactivix> adonde es?
[08:20] <jpatrick> sudo apt-get install kget
[08:20] <Zactivix> haa
[08:20] <Zactivix> I mean, aha
[08:20] <Zactivix> thank you.
[08:20] <jpatrick> there's a spanish channel -> #kubuntu-es
[08:21] <testmad> ok..i never noticed this before..but when i ddrag a window around on my screen..it leaves trails
[08:21] <Zactivix> haha I'm not Hispanic
[08:21] <jpatrick> wow. :P
[08:21] <Zactivix> just messing around.
[08:21] <jpatrick> okay :)
[08:21] <Zactivix> geez, never took spanish in high school?
[08:21] <Zactivix> :P
[08:21] <jpatrick> I'm not Hispanic but I live there
[08:22] <Zactivix> so... what if I forgot my admin PW? :(
[08:22] <Zactivix> I remember my one for DSL
[08:22] <ztonzy> hmm
[08:22] <Zactivix> but am @ a loss for my kubuntu one
[08:22] <ztonzy> KDE 3.4.2  feels faster ?
[08:22] <ztonzy> I think it does
[08:22] <jpatrick> yes
[08:23] <Zactivix> both run very fast, but 2 dif systems.
[08:23] <Zactivix> one PII266 for DSL
[08:23] <hussam> anybody noticed spellcheck does not work on kopete in kde 3.4.2? can somebody check this?
[08:23] <Zactivix> and my main PC 2.0Ghz Athlon runs Kubuntu
[08:23] <ztonzy> jpatrick: it is faster than 3.4.1 ?
[08:23] <jpatrick> Zactivix: http://ubuntuguide.org/#changerootpasswordforgotten
[08:23] <Zactivix> aha thanks, jp
[08:23] <Zactivix> again
[08:24] <jpatrick> ztonzy: maybe it's because I now a 1GB swap partition :p
[08:24] <ztonzy> ehhe
[08:24] <jpatrick> I now have*
[08:24] <ztonzy> jpatrick: I already have that, with my 512MB RAM
[08:24] <Zactivix> I can't access that grub> prompt...
[08:24] <hussam> can somebody check for me if spellcheck in kopete works in kde 3.4.2 ?
[08:25] <jpatrick> I have 128MB RAM
[08:25] <Zactivix> I tried putting in md5crypt in, but it says command not fonud.
[08:25] <Zactivix> *found
[08:25] <jpatrick> I was considering 2GB swap
[08:26] <Zactivix> actually I just got in the boot/grub dir
[08:26] <Zactivix> and tried it again
[08:26] <Zactivix> but no dice.
[08:26] <jpatrick> hmm...
[08:26] <Zactivix> md5crypt still to be found.
[08:28] <ztonzy> jpatrick: is even faster ?
[08:28] <jpatrick> yes. :D
[08:28] <jpatrick> Now I just need to know where I can find NFS
[08:29] <jpatrick> It won't let me share with NFS
[08:29] <jpatrick> just Samba
[08:30] <testmad> anyone here got experience messing with grub?