[04:06] <crazyhead42> I can't seem to get my Ubuntu 13.04 server to work. . . and I'm not sure about it's network status.
[04:09] <crazyhead42> I've tried to update the system, but keep getting 404 errors. I've changed the location it is trying to get updates from, but I'm getting invalid signitures: "nodata 1" and "nodata 2"
[04:09] <crazyhead42> I chose samba server when first setting it up, if that changes anything.
[04:31] <crazyhead42> Is anyone on?
[04:37] <rww> !eolupgrade
[04:50] <ruben23> hi guys, how do i backup the whole intere live linux server..?
[04:50] <crazyhead42> Sorry, Ruben, but I don't think anyone is on.
[04:52] <ruben23> crazyhead42: :-( still hoping..
[04:52] <crazyhead42> It's getting late anyway.
[04:53] <crazyhead42> I'd help you, but I can't get my server up enough to have anything to back up.
[04:58] <ruben23> just want to know how to fuly nackup  my entire linux server
[07:02] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:02] <Jakob_> I'm in need of some help with a squid3 server, i keep getting TCP_denied/403 3915 - standard squid3 configfile, can anyone help (:
[08:14] <Jakob_> I'm in need of some help with a squid3 server, i keep getting TCP_denied/403 3915 - standard squid3 configfile, can anyone help (:
[08:39] <rbasak> Jakob_: by default squid packaging sets squid up to only permit access from localhost. You'll need to add an ACL rule to the config file to permit access from your local network.
[09:13] <helpme> hello
[09:13] <Guest53399> can't create /var/cache/apt-show-versions/files: No such file or directory at /usr/bin/apt-show-versions line 196. E: Problem executing scripts APT::Update::Post-Invoke-Success 'test -x /usr/bin/apt-show-versions || exit 0 ; apt-show-versions -i' E: Sub-process returned an error code
[09:14] <Guest53399> Can someone help me
[09:14] <Guest53399> I deleted everything in /var/cache/
[09:15] <lordievader> Guest53399: Why would you delete everything form there?
[09:15] <lordievader> from*
[09:15] <Guest53399> Because it said cache
[09:15] <Guest53399> I thought it will regenerate again
[09:16] <Guest53399> I mean the files in folder
[09:16] <lordievader> It should, but still it is not a very good idea.
[09:16] <Guest53399> It was not.
[09:16] <Guest53399> a good Idea
[09:18] <Guest53399> Solution lordievader
[09:18] <Guest53399> ?
[09:19] <lordievader> Guest53399: Can you still run an "sudo apt-get update"?
[09:21] <Guest53399> I get this error on update
[09:21] <Guest53399> can't create /var/cache/apt-show-versions/files: No such file or directory at /usr/bin/apt-show-versions line 196. E: Problem executing scripts APT::Update::Post-Invoke-Success 'test -x /usr/bin/apt-show-versions || exit 0 ; apt-show-versions -i' E: Sub-process returned an error code
[09:23] <lordievader> Guest53399: Hmm, perhaps "sudo dpkg --configure -a" fixes things?
[09:38] <Jeeves_Moss> how do I setup the autodiscover redirect for the exchange auto discover
[11:01] <jamespage> zul, can we catchup on websockify tests when you start pls
[11:13] <Guest53399> I have a problem
[11:13] <Guest53399> can't create /var/cache/apt-show-versions/files: No such file or directory at /usr/bin/apt-show-versions line 196. E: Problem executing scripts APT::Update::Post-Invoke-Success 'test -x /usr/bin/apt-show-versions || exit 0 ; apt-show-versions -i' E: Sub-process returned an error code
[11:13] <Guest53399> PLease help
[11:30] <lordievader> Guest53399: Did you do what I said?
[11:39] <Guest53399> yes it dint work
[11:40] <Guest53399> I am on a web client. the interface is not so good. please tag me when you reply lordievader
[11:41] <Guest53399>  sudo dpkg --configure -a I tried lordievader
[11:42] <lordievader> Guest53399: Ok, it didn't solve things?
[11:43] <Guest53399> Nope
[11:46] <lordievader> Guest53399: Can you pastebin the output of 'ls -la /var/cache'?
[11:47] <Guest53399> I think its working now
[11:47] <Guest53399> I did sudo mkdir -p /var/cache/apt/archives
[11:48] <zul> jamespage:  yep
[11:49] <Guest53399> then sudo mkdir -p /var/cache/apt-show-versions/
[11:50] <Guest53399> then make a blank file named file in /var/cache/apt-show-versions/
[11:50] <Guest53399> then sudo apt-get update
[11:50] <Guest53399> Thanks lordievader
[12:06] <rbasak> jamespage: when you have some time, I'd like your help uploading bcache-tools into Debian - preferably before freeze.
[12:30] <zul> jamespage:  hey
[12:36] <zul> jamespage:  so websockify
[12:38] <jamespage> zul, indeed - how goes it?
[12:39] <zul> jamespage:  well the tests are enabled but not running and im not sure why
[12:42] <jamespage> zul, I tried them directly upstream and they appear quite broken as well
[12:42] <zul> jamespage:  yeah
[12:42] <zul> jamespage:  and not being comfortable enough with them im not sure what to do
[12:43] <jamespage> zul, I wondering whether we just skip the websockify test in nova - it feels not good enough for main
[12:43] <zul> jamespage:  did you try the git tree?
[12:44] <jamespage> zul, yeah
[12:44] <zul> same thing?
[12:44] <jamespage> zul, yeah
[12:44] <jamespage> all sucks
[12:45] <jamespage> zul, I got this far - http://paste.ubuntu.com/8520684/
[12:49] <zul> jamespage:  i was on trusty by mistake and was running the tests there and they were passing before i noticed I was on trusty for a sec
[12:49] <jamespage> zul, they work on trusty? now I'm really uncomfortable websockify is just bust in utopic
[12:49] <jamespage> zul, oh in the trusty version you mean?
[12:50] <zul> jamespage:  mistakenly running the tests on the trusty version
[12:50] <Blinkiz> Hi. I would like to set up a VPN (encryption) between two ubuntu servers that can handle around 300 Mbit. What should I choose here? Can OpenVPN manage this?
[12:51] <jamespage> zul, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/186746800/buildlog_ubuntu-utopic-i386.swift_2.2.0~rc1-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[12:51] <zul> jamespage:  this in the openstack pppa?
[12:51] <zul> oh no nevermind
[12:52] <jamespage> zul, nope - proposed
[12:52] <jamespage> zul, I figure its a 32 bit build issue
[12:52] <zul> ah yes
[12:52] <jamespage> as I did not see this locally (but I build with an amd64 chroot)
[12:52] <zul> "OverflowError: long int too large to convert to in"
[12:53] <zul> jamespage:  the websockify stuff makes me nervous
[12:53] <zul> jamespage: keystone rc2 is out as well if you missed it
[12:54] <zul> jamespage:  dosaboy commited the tests for websockify upstream so maybe we should ask him :)
[12:54] <jamespage> zul, oh did he - dosaboy_ ?? ^^
[12:54] <zul> jamespage:  i noticed that yesterday
[12:55] <jamespage> dosaboy_, websockify tests appear a bit busted up - can you help us out?
[12:57] <dosaboy_> zul: i didn't write those tests but i did add some fwir
[12:58] <dosaboy> jamespage: do you have an error i can look at?
[12:58] <Gunfus_> Is anyone familiar with a problem related to disk size geomtry out of bounds
[12:58] <zul> dosaboy:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/8520741/
[12:58] <Gunfus_> after upgrading to the latest release
[12:59] <jamespage> dosaboy, that's direct in the upstream master - http://paste.ubuntu.com/8520742/
[13:00] <dosaboy> jamespage, zul: i'll take a look
[13:01] <Gunfus_> the exact error is: [   10.753795] EXT4-fs (md0): bad geometr: block count 122096646 exceeds size of device (122096624 blocks)
[13:04] <Gunfus_> I can't mount my raid because of the bad geomtr problem
[13:05] <Gunfus_> anyone?
[13:07] <jamespage> dosaboy, thanks
[13:16] <jamespage> zul, doing keystone
[13:16] <zul> jamespage:  ack
[13:16] <zul> jamespage:  unbreaking my head around with neturon
[13:19] <jamespage> zul, doing ceilometer
[13:19] <jamespage> not that we actually have rc1 uploaded yet
[13:20] <zul> jamespage:  well you are doing it in spirit ;)
[13:38] <Mars__> After updating to 14.01, I now get problems about bad geomtry errors on my RAID
[13:38] <Mars__> anyidea?
[13:41] <cfhowlett> Mars__, because there is not 14.01???
[13:43] <Mars__> ohh ops....I meant to say  14.04.1
[13:43] <cfhowlett> Mars__, noted.
[13:44] <Mars__> what is the best way to go about reporting the problem I saw a question on askubuntu of someone else with the problem
[13:45] <cfhowlett> Mars__, bug report???
[13:45] <cfhowlett> !bug
[13:45] <Mars__> okay.. I will go ahead and report it then...
[13:47] <Mars__> is there a way to find out what package is failing?
[13:49] <cfhowlett> Mars__, I don't know enough to advise about
[13:49] <cfhowlett>  raid
[13:49] <Mars__> cfhowlett: okay, thanks
[14:36] <GothPaw> what the best practice to config for a FQDN when multiple domains point to a single IP?
[14:37] <rbasak> I consider each machine (or VM or container) to have a single, canonical FQDN.
[14:37] <rbasak> Configure everything for that, and consider the others to be aliases.
[14:38] <GothPaw> there is only 1 server machine and 14 domains, which is what leads me to this question
[14:38] <rbasak> Use the aliases only when you have to (eg. for public-facing virtual hosting, only for Apache configuration)
[14:39] <rbasak> If the 14 domains are "equal", then I'd creating a 15th one for the canonical use purpose.
[14:39] <rbasak> create
[14:39] <GothPaw> not sure what you mean by "equal"
[14:40] <rbasak> For example if I'm asked to host 14 customer's websites on a single server.
[14:40] <rbasak> customers'
[14:40] <rbasak> Then there isn't an obvious thing to call the server.
[14:41] <rbasak> So I make another name up, maybe under my own company's domain.
[14:41] <rbasak> Use that one everywhere as the canonical name.
[14:41] <rbasak> Only Apache (and DNS for the customers' FQDNs) see the other names.
[14:42] <GothPaw> ahhhhhh..... gotcha. this works then as 13 belong to other people and one is mine.
[14:42] <rbasak> That'll be fine then. As long as there will never be a requirement that the canonical FQDN you use will have to change.
[14:43] <rbasak> If that's even a remote possibility, far easier to register a new name now and make sure _that_ one will never change.
[14:43] <GothPaw> business name/domain so that won't ever leave
[14:45] <GothPaw> perfect. now I just need to hammer out why my postfix/dovecot/vimbadmin portion isn't working.....  Although I am looking for other ways then vimbadmin as its been nothing but a hassle for me
[14:46] <GothPaw> I wish I had multiple machines for all this .... this one machine is taking a beating "so to speak"......  1 machine does all the hosting for everything
[14:50] <rbasak> Use containers.
[14:50] <rbasak> (though I'm not sure how that'd work with only one public-facing IP, if virtual hosting, though)
[14:57] <GothPaw> the virtual hosting is all setup and functioning correctly. now its just a matter of setting up mail for all the domains. Ive got everything down except the vimbadmin which simply just isn't working for me under any configuration I throw at it. basically looking for an alternative way now to setup virtual mail for all the domains
[14:58] <GothPaw> I know I can go and manually add it all to postfix, but with 14 domains current and more likely to be added later I am just looking for something a little "easier".
[15:30] <crazyhead42> I'm using a 32 bit server software, ubuntu 13.04 and can't seem to get it working. my apt-get update currently gets the bad signitures "nodata 1" and "nodata 2"
[15:32] <Pici> crazyhead42: 13.04 is not a supported release of Ubuntu.  It reached end-of-life in January.
[15:32] <teward> crazyhead42: FYI, 13.04 is EOL
[15:32] <crazyhead42> EOL?
[15:32] <teward> crazyhead42: end of life
[15:32] <Pici> !13.04
[15:33] <teward> crazyhead42: it's no longer supported - it reached the "end of life" date in January
[15:33] <crazyhead42> IS there a way to upgrade  it?
[15:33] <teward> and i was just about to call that factoid too xD
[15:33] <crazyhead42> I don't really want to switch back to desktop mode, run another install, rewrite the flshdrive, then put my desktop and grub at risk of user error AGAIN
[15:34] <jamespage> zul: going to drop websockify; having discussed with dosaboy I don't think its suitable for main inclusion yet
[15:34] <zul> jamespage:  cool...i didnt think so either
[15:38] <crazyhead42> drat. I was really hoping I wouldn't have to redo everything.
[15:38] <qman__> !eol | crazyhead42
[15:39] <qman__> You can upgrade, but you'll have to do two release upgrades to get within support
[15:43] <zul> jamespage:  btw nova uses python-oslo.utils now
[15:43] <jamespage> zul, where do you see that?
[15:44] <zul> jamespage:  nova/common/openstack/units has been removed
[15:44] <jamespage> zul, in master or juno/proposed ?
[15:44] <zul> master
[15:44] <jamespage> zul, meh - don't care about master for now
[15:44] <zul> jamespage:  ack
[15:44] <jamespage> juno/proposed is my immediate focus
[15:44] <jamespage> zul, should be for your work as well for now
[15:45] <zul> jamespage:  yeah
[16:21] <ndee> anyone using a ssh client on the iphone?
[17:30] <axisys> what is the fix for http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/2010/CVE-2010-5107.html ? I am running 10.04 and 12.04 LTS
[17:40] <patdk-wk> axisys, by reading the notes :)
[17:41] <axisys> patdk-wk: changed the LoginGraceTime to 20 from default 120 .. thanks
[17:41] <patdk-wk> that isn't what the notes said to do :)
[17:41] <patdk-wk> that would just make it worse
[17:46] <axisys> "By default, sshd will allow a connected user to wait for 120 seconds (2 minutes) before starting to authenticate. This could be used to conduct a Denial of Service (DoS) or a brute force attack against a running SSH daemon. One solution is lowering this to 20 seconds"
[17:46] <axisys> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/StricterDefaults
[17:47] <axisys> patdk-wk: ^
[17:49] <patdk-wk> oh, I read you changed 20 to 120 :)
[17:49] <patdk-wk> but you did the other way
[17:49] <patdk-wk> what out for that change :)
[17:49] <patdk-wk> if you have dns issues, you won't be able to login
[17:49] <patdk-wk> cause the timeout will happen, before the dns gives up resolving your ip
[17:52] <axisys> also note says to set MaxStartups to 10:30:100 . default seems safer 10:30:60
[17:52] <patdk-wk> ya
[17:56] <axisys> i guess i will just rely on ufw limit ssh which allows 6 per 30 secs default..
[18:32] <bananapie> Is there a command in Linux to tell the kernel/iptables to forget about all the NAT connections it knows about and start over like if the server just rebooted?
[18:33] <bananapie> i'm not talking about iptables -t nat -D POSTROUTING 1, I am talking about connections the kernel remembers for packets that have been masqueraded
[18:34] <bananapie> found ti
[18:35] <bananapie> thanks guys!
[20:54] <Voyage>  Line 13,21,28 http://pastebin.com/qEnw6NFR    Cant send email by phpmailer via sendmail-bin
[21:36] <jamespage> zul, still around?
[21:36] <jamespage> does this make any sense - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127030/
[22:41] <crazyhead42> Okay, I'm back and I have a working version of ubuntu server running. Can someone help me configure samba so I can start using it? The instructions require me to know how to do things I can't seem to find online.
[22:42] <RoyK> crazyhead42: just configure it :P
[22:43] <crazyhead42> Wow. That seems just like the online instructions I found. :P
[22:43] <sarnold> RoyK: did you write the samba guide? :)
[22:44] <RoyK> sarnold: no
[22:44] <crazyhead42> But seriously, step one is accessing the file (I found it, but I don't think "less smb.conf" was the right command
[22:44] <sarnold> crazyhead42: what specifically hsa you stopped?
[22:45] <crazyhead42> Right now, correctly accessing the files - I'm in the samba config file, but in the wrong mode. Speaking of which, how do you get out of "less" mode?
[22:45] <sarnold> 'q'
[22:45] <RoyK> crazyhead42:it's a bit hard tp say how to configure samba without knowlede of how the rest of the system you're using are
[22:46] <sarnold> samba's especially mean
[22:46] <RoyK> well, SMB is mean
[22:46] <crazyhead42> Is there a better interface for my windows?
[22:46] <RoyK> no
[22:46] <crazyhead42> drat.
[22:47] <RoyK> but we're using samba for 20k users at work and it works well
[22:47] <crazyhead42> Okay, well I know it should mainly have the defaults still, 64 bit of the version that was on the banner
[22:48] <crazyhead42> Basic network access, I don't plan to put this online
[22:49] <crazyhead42> what else do you need, and where do I fetch it from?
[22:49] <sarnold> crazyhead42: nearly everything you could ever want is installable via "apt-get install <foo>"
[22:49] <sarnold> crazyhead42: you can find the packages with "apt-cache search <foo>" to find allthe packages with foo in the name or description
[22:50] <sarnold> apt-cache search mp3   ought to give the flavour of what I mean...
[22:51] <crazyhead42> Foo? What's foo?
[22:52] <sarnold> crazyhead42: just a placeholder, it's common in unix-land to use 'foo', 'bar', and 'baz' to stand for different things whe you don't really care what those things are :)
[22:53] <crazyhead42> wait, you want me to install EVERYTHING?!?!
[22:53] <sarnold> crazyhead42: haha no :) that was just a quick demo of how to find whatever it is you might need :)
[22:53] <sarnold> crazyhead42: more on foo bar and baz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foobar
[22:54] <crazyhead42> Oh.
[22:54] <crazyhead42> I know how to install things, but I need to set them up, and Ubuntu Server doesn't have a handy GUI like the desktop version.
[22:56] <crazyhead42> Okay, so how do I modify the config file?
[22:57] <sarnold> whatever text editor you like
[22:57] <sarnold> if you're asking, nano is probably a good plce to start
[22:57] <sarnold> I prefer vim
[22:57] <sarnold> others prefer emacs
[22:57] <sarnold> the learning curves on those are huge but well worth the effort
[22:57] <sarnold> but nano will let you finish today :)
[22:57] <pmatulis> vim++
[23:00] <crazyhead42> What's the difference between a wins server or a wins client?
[23:03] <pmatulis> isn't WINS a sort of DNS service for Windows/Netbios names?
[23:03] <pmatulis> (boy that goes back)
[23:03] <sarnold> yeah it does.. man I'm glad to be rid of windows.
[23:04] <sarnold> I -think- WINS is the nmbd, right?
[23:05] <crazyhead42> Oh, shoot, chaning that variable didn't mean making it avalible to windows?
[23:06] <sarnold> crazyhead42: I think if you've already got other windows "servers" on the network you probably don't want to set your samba to a WINS master or whatever they called it..
[23:06] <sarnold> crazyhead42: some people want to use their samba servers as the 'masters' of the workgroup or domain and others just want it to be a participating client...
[23:07] <crazyhead42> ?? Way above my head!
[23:07] <crazyhead42> I just want a place to stash files I don't want on my laptop
[23:08] <sarnold> that's samba :/ I've spent weeks reading the bloody documentation (a dozen years ago now, of course), but I never felt like I was in control of the thing.
[23:08] <sarnold> between the different types of shares and authentication modes and directory vs domains vs workgroups the whole thing is one gigantic pile of annoying and complicated.
[23:09] <crazyhead42> Personally, I blame microsoft.
[23:09] <sarnold> RoyK was able to get it to work for 20k users because they've put time and effort into making it good -- it didn't just come that way easy
[23:09] <crazyhead42> so I'm not going to have it done in time to store my project for school. That's just great.
[23:10] <sarnold> funny thing, they adapted the protocol from LANMAN in their usual "adopt, adapt, destroy" approach of the 90s :) they badly missed networking and the internet in particular, and so they copied where they could before they understood those things themselves. hehe.
[23:10] <sarnold> original versions of the protocol didn't even work on tcp/ip. dark times.
[23:11] <crazyhead42> Is there a package I could install that will give Samba a working default configuration?
[23:12] <crazyhead42> I don't think I know what I'm doing enough to be playing around in the config file, especially if I couldn't do it in GUI.
[23:13] <sarnold> they used to have a gui of some sort, SWAT, but it was a miserable pile of security problems and worse yet you had to know all the details of the configuration file anyway
[23:13] <pmatulis> crazyhead42: if you're finding all this overwhelming you might want to investigate Zentyal.  it comes as an ISO.  so you intall it and voila
[23:14] <pmatulis> (based on Ubuntu of course)
[23:15] <pmatulis> http://www.zentyal.org/
[23:15] <crazyhead42> I'm on an "Ubuntu Server".
[23:15] <pmatulis> well, you might be able to install individual packages and get the same thing, i'm not sure.  you might consider re-installing with this zentyal ISO
[23:16] <sarnold> crazyhead42: hmmm. I just did "apt-get install samba" and then "smbclient -L localhost" and it looks like a lot of things just worked....
[23:16] <crazyhead42> so back out, go to home directory, and try smbclient -L?
[23:16] <crazyhead42> wait
[23:16] <crazyhead42> That looks like a list command
[23:16] <sarnold> crazyhead42: it does, it lists shares and printers on the specific server...
[23:19] <crazyhead42> Okay. . . how do I get one though?  Let's assume I'm worrying about security later
[23:20] <crazyhead42> this is kinda rediculous, zentyal doesn't even want to tell me what it is
[23:21] <crazyhead42> and samba doesn't want to give me any idea what I"m doing
[23:25] <pmatulis> crazyhead42: you will need to either read some Samba documentation at http://www.samba.org/ or install something like zentyal
[23:27] <crazyhead42> I'm looking into zentyal, I don't have enough time for Samba
[23:31] <sarnold> crazyhead42: do you just need some place to store stuff right away or do you need this to be a fully-functioning windows share?
[23:33] <crazyhead42> What's the difference?
[23:34] <sarnold> crazyhead42: it'd be easy to use e.g. filezilla to sftp files to your server
[23:34] <crazyhead42> Okay... but what's the difference between that and a windows share?
[23:34] <sarnold> crazyhead42: but you couldn't just aim winword or excel or at that because windows doesn't know how to natively speak sftp
[23:35] <crazyhead42> ah. So the difference is I'd have to finish everything up, save it on my computer, then send it, then retrieve it again before I can use it?
[23:35] <sarnold> yeah
[23:36] <crazyhead42> will I be able to adjust that later, when I figure out how to get a fileshare going?
[23:36] <sarnold> depending upon the program / use, it might be just as easy as a share, or it might be horrible :)
[23:36] <sarnold> yeah
[23:37] <crazyhead42> I can work with just a storage device for now. I want to upgrade it later, obviously, but for now I just want to clear up some files without deleting them.
[23:37] <sarnold> give filezilla (use sftp) or winscp a shot, one might do what you need
[23:38] <crazyhead42> is this for my PC or the server?
[23:39] <sarnold> crazyhead42: pc
[23:39] <sarnold> crazyhead42: the server probably already has it running, if you're using ssh to connect anyway
[23:39] <crazyhead42> Huh?
[23:39] <crazyhead42> what's ssh, and is it something that came with the computer?
[23:40] <crazyhead42> *OS
[23:40] <crazyhead42> Also, did I just remove it by purging samba?
[23:40] <sarnold> ssh is awesome stuff, it lets you log in to remote computers safely; think "better telnet"
[23:41] <crazyhead42> which I'm not sure I've gotten working on my computer anyway...
[23:42] <crazyhead42> Where should I download filezilla from?
[23:43] <crazyhead42> I don't know which sites are good and which ones contain viruses, but I'm pretty sure I cant' use cnet
[23:43] <sarnold> crazyhead42: nice paranoia
[23:43] <crazyhead42> More like nice virus.
[23:43] <sarnold> crazyhead42: looks like I've got https://filezilla-project.org/  in my history -and- wikipedia claims it's the site :) soo hooray
[23:44] <crazyhead42> It ransacked my browser until my computer's time was up. :( It was a good computer.
[23:45] <sarnold> :(
[23:46] <crazyhead42> Windows 8 is a curse brought on by dead computers. >:(
[23:47] <crazyhead42> The big green one is the one I'm meant to click, right?
[23:48] <sarnold> big green one?
[23:48] <crazyhead42> Big green button.
[23:48] <crazyhead42> Says "Download Now" but looks like millions of advertisments.
[23:48] <zul> jamespage:  it does to me
[23:48] <qman__> crazyhead42: ot, but a great way to get software for windows (including filezilla) is ninite.com
[23:48] <sarnold> crazyhead42: hmm. that doesn't sound right. you may still have that virus.
[23:49] <zul> jamespage:  need to fix the pep8 error though
[23:49] <crazyhead42> No, it's a wayyyyy differnt computer
[23:49] <sarnold> crazyhead42: all I see on https://filezilla-project.org/ is some grey boxes around "Download FileZilla Client" and near zero advertising (just mention of their sponsors)
[23:49] <crazyhead42> But on download sites, there are advertisments that look like green download now buttons
[23:50] <qman__> crazyhead42: with ninite, check boxes, download one file, it installs everything quietly, no malware, always up to date
[23:50] <crazyhead42> grey? poop. What OS are you on? maybe your button looks diferent than mine because of client detection
[23:50] <sarnold> crazyhead42: could be, I'm on ubuntu running firefox
[23:50] <crazyhead42> Ah. Win 8 running firefox
[23:50] <sarnold> qman__: dang that looks cool.
[23:51] <crazyhead42> Why does something this simple have to be this complicated?
[23:52] <qman__> crazyhead42: use ninite, gets rid of the complication
[23:52] <sarnold> crazyhead42: beats me, most linux distros come with useful tools already installed; yet somehow people still think windows is 'easier'. go figure. :)
[23:52] <qman__> Yep
[23:53] <qman__> Real package management is one of the greatest advantages to linux
[23:53] <crazyhead42> It is: everything STARTS with working settings.
[23:53] <crazyhead42> But linux is better if you know what you're doing, or so I have been lead to believe
[23:54] <crazyhead42> I don't think this is nanite.com!
[23:54] <qman__> crazyhead42: windows trains users to have bad habits, downloading programs from all over the internet
[23:55] <qman__> Its something you have to unlearn when switching
[23:55] <sarnold> nanite.com looks like usual domain squatter, hehe
[23:55] <crazyhead42> Okay, I've got gray boxes now
[23:56] <crazyhead42> I click on download client, then I get the big green button
[23:57] <sarnold> okay, it goes to sourceforge.net, right?
[23:57] <crazyhead42> It does say sourceforge
[23:57] <crazyhead42> yes, it does claim to lead there
[23:57] <sarnold> good good.
[23:58] <qman__> Sourceforge doesn't have any big green buttons
[23:58] <qman__> You're probably still infected
[23:58] <crazyhead42> Unlikely, the virus should be contained and dead on the other harddrive
[23:58] <sarnold> qman__: what do you see here? https://filezilla-project.org/download.php?type=client
[23:59] <crazyhead42> a big green download now button next to a picture of what I assume to be a filezilla screen