[09:02] <Minataku> tanlaan: 21
[09:02] <Minataku> Uni is ~12mi away
[09:03] <Minataku> Living at home is $6000/yr cheaper
[09:03] <Minataku> lol
[09:03] <tanlaan> Minataku: ahh, haha yes it really is, and im only 16
[09:03] <dhq> Minataku: it says it a directory
[09:03] <Minataku> dhq: It is, there's files in there with info, but you're probably not too good with the CLI
[09:04] <Minataku> Look into that ACPI program
[09:04] <Minataku> !acpi
[09:04] <ubotu> acpi: displays information on ACPI devices. In component main, is optional. Version 0.09-1 (edgy), package size 10 kB, installed size 72 kB (Only available for i386 ia64 amd64)
[09:04] <Minataku> .by ? Where is that :o
[09:04] <Minataku> Belarus
[09:04] <Minataku> lol
[09:05] <YumeHasAClue> Genii: "deducing cogent software" means it found the driver i need right?
[09:06] <Minataku> Whenever I need to do practically anything in Linux I pop open an xterm, I constantly forget that it's a scary thing to most brand-new Linux users
[09:07] <YumeHasAClue> Minataku, i had the same termphobia your talking about
[09:07] <Minataku> lol
[09:07] <Minataku> I never had it
[09:07] <tanlaan> im confused, i double clicked on a .deb and it opened up Ark, but that gave me an error saying it wasnt in my path and that i should please install the software
[09:07] <YumeHasAClue> just teach them some basic stuff and its all fun
[09:07] <underdog5004> Minataku, yeah, I remember that time of my life...I was mainly scared because one, I knew nothing about it and two, because I knew it would take a while to learn it
[09:07] <Minataku> I started on a 386 with DOS and Windows 3.1
[09:07] <underdog5004> tanlaan, right-click and use the package manager
[09:08] <YumeHasAClue> when i use cd or ls i feel like im in a matrix scene :)
[09:08] <Minataku> So I was never a stranger to the CLI
[09:08] <Minataku> YumeHasAClue: lol
[09:08] <underdog5004> YumeHasAClue, wasn't that cool in reloaded? I loved that scene cause it's what she really would have done!
[09:08] <Minataku> I just know really easy ways to do things... but they're all CLI-based XD
[09:08] <genii> YumeHasAClue: No, "deducing cogent software" means unfortunately the modem is an intel modem based on a conexant chipset
[09:08] <tanlaan> underdog5004: didnt think i needed to do that *its easyubuntu* but thanks
[09:08] <underdog5004> np
[09:09] <YumeHasAClue> argh: people should start telling me only stuff i want to hear :)
[09:09] <Minataku> lol
[09:09] <underdog5004> YumeHasAClue, rofl
[09:09] <underdog5004> become rich and famous
[09:09] <underdog5004> or take over the world, it's your choice
[09:09] <YumeHasAClue> Genii "Yume, just type 'its okay' and all will be solved
[09:09] <HymnToLife> YumeHasAClue, you will be run over by a beer truck
[09:09] <YumeHasAClue> Yume:'it worked!'
[09:09] <YumeHasAClue> xD
[09:10] <underdog5004> know what works for me? rm -R /
[09:10] <underdog5004> jk
[09:10] <underdog5004> don't ever do that
[09:10] <YumeHasAClue> lol
[09:10] <underdog5004> EVER
[09:10] <Minataku> underdog5004: You should be run out of here for suggesting it
[09:10] <YumeHasAClue> ive read enough bash.org to understand that command
[09:10] <YumeHasAClue> hehehe
[09:10] <underdog5004> don't worry, I just gouged one of my eyes out as punishment
[09:10] <HymnToLife> methinks rm -R / won't do anything
[09:11] <HymnToLife> because the dir is not empty
[09:11] <underdog5004> really?
[09:11] <underdog5004> -R does it
[09:11] <YumeHasAClue> yeah, only if rf
[09:11] <Minataku> It might delete a few things before crapping
[09:11] <underdog5004> oh, whoops...
[09:11] <tanlaan> lmao
[09:11] <underdog5004> see? I'm still learning...
[09:11] <YumeHasAClue> rm -rf / is the thing you should never do
[09:11] <Minataku> But yeah, that one won't cause too much damage
[09:11] <Minataku> ...
[09:11] <YumeHasAClue> :o
[09:11] <YumeHasAClue> :o
[09:11] <underdog5004> YumeHasAClue, you should be run out of here for suggesting that
[09:11] <underdog5004> lol
[09:12] <genii> YumeHasAClue: Which dist you using?
[09:12] <tanlaan> yea people put "run rm -rf /" in signatures on forums
[09:12] <YumeHasAClue> dont worry i gauged one of your eyes out as punishment
[09:12] <excitatory> that still wouldn't completely destroy ones system without sudo.
[09:12] <underdog5004> When I used windows, on a forum some guy told me that to solve all my virus problems, just type in format c:\
[09:12] <underdog5004> I almost did it
[09:12] <tanlaan> lol
[09:12] <YumeHasAClue> :o
[09:12] <evo> it's not a bad suggestion
[09:13] <Minataku> It wouldn't do it right away
[09:13] <tanlaan> i need to find that IRC story about a guy who hacked himself
[09:13] <Minataku> You'd need to add /y first
[09:13] <YumeHasAClue> windows is like a bad habit im trying to quit :(
[09:13] <Minataku> Then it would do it
[09:13] <Minataku> XD
[09:13] <Minataku> Similar: deltree /y C:\
[09:13] <evo> hacked himself huh
[09:13] <underdog5004> lol, didn't he "hack" <IP_ADDRESS>?
[09:13] <evo> <IP_ADDRESS> is the pentagon
[09:13] <underdog5004> right
[09:13] <YumeHasAClue> haha use sub7 to get into <IP_ADDRESS>, only cool hackers do that
[09:13] <Minataku> Hm...
[09:14] <evo> ask <IP_ADDRESS>, they'll tell you
[09:14] <Minataku> !<IP_ADDRESS>
[09:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about <IP_ADDRESS> - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:14] <genii> underdog5004: LOL I remember on another forum some guy kept pestering ppl for sites to try and hack. some guy told him that <IP_ADDRESS> was the hardest, and he spent quite a while trying to run all his kiddie-scripts on it
[09:14] <Minataku> lol
[09:14] <underdog5004> genii, rofl
[09:14] <YumeHasAClue> hahaha
[09:14] <Minataku> !<IP_ADDRESS> is localhost; a loop back to your own system
[09:14] <underdog5004> yeah
[09:14] <YumeHasAClue> im gonna stare at my .txt file and pretend i know what im reading
[09:14] <Minataku> I know, I was putting it in ubotu
[09:15] <Minataku> lol
[09:15] <underdog5004> !<IP_ADDRESS>
[09:15] <underdog5004> oh
[09:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about <IP_ADDRESS> - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:15] <tanlaan> http://www.webforumz.com/webforumz-cafe/15441-worlds-most-dumb-hacker.htm
[09:15] <Minataku> Yeah, it has to go through approval
[09:15] <underdog5004> !tell
[09:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tell - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:15] <genii> What bugs me about Windoze Vista is they spent about 10 minutes covering it on CNN today and didn't mention linux once
[09:15] <underdog5004> ah
[09:15] <Minataku> genii: Windows Vista is what bugs me about Windows Vista
[09:15] <evo> if they're covering vista, why would they cover linux?
[09:16] <coreymon77> !microsoft
[09:16] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[09:16] <underdog5004> genii, yeah, even though you can get all the functionality and eyecandy on linux for way cheaper
[09:16] <coreymon77> i love that
[09:16] <Minataku> Seriously, though, it's "Treacherous Computing" and "Digital Restrictions Management" that bothers me about Windows Vista
[09:16] <genii> evo Because they were also doing stuff like comparing it to Mac OSX for instance. But more ppl now run linux than OSX
[09:16] <Minataku> Because OSX is even worse
[09:16] <evo> wow, you'r eignorant
 what ping man
[09:16] <underdog5004>  <bitchchecker> the timing of my pc is right
[09:16] <underdog5004>  <bitchchecker> i even have dst
[09:16] <Schuenemann> When I open a program the mouse cursor changes to the program's icon and starts bouncing... is it possible to disable that?
[09:16] <underdog5004> lol
[09:16] <n2aag> does anyone here have experience partitioning mactel machines for kubuntu installations?  qparted wont allow me to create more than 3 partitions
[09:16] <evo> osx is much more popular than linux
[09:16] <Minataku> Schuenemann: Indeed
[09:17] <Schuenemann> where Minataku?
[09:17] <Minataku> It's in the KDE settings panel somewhere
[09:17] <Minataku> I don't use KDE so I don't know XD
[09:17] <excitatory> evo: ah..no linux is far more popular
[09:17] <hatta> popular for what
[09:17] <Minataku> Why anyone would buy a Mac when a more powerful, more free PC is far, far cheaper
[09:17] <underdog5004> I like linux. It keeps me warm at night
[09:17] <hatta> linux is on a lot more smart picture frames than OS X
[09:18] <coreymon77> Minataku: what are you talking about with "treacgerous computing" and "digital restrictions management"
[09:18] <Schuenemann> Minataku: maybe rubberband effect?
[09:18] <Minataku> I like Linux. It keeps me free at night.
[09:18] <evo> linux has 0.37% markeyshare
[09:18] <evo> believe me, osx is much more popular
[09:18] <sampan> schuenemann  hit alt-f2 ... type kcontrol ... then under appearance and themes heading you'll see a "launch feedback" click that
[09:18] <hatta> coreymon77, those are smartass names for "trusted computing" and "digital rights management"
[09:18] <Schuenemann> I never saw a Mac in Brazil
[09:18] <hatta> smartass names, but more accurate
[09:18] <CaBlGuY> how do I go about using my yahoo mail account in Evolution?
[09:19] <Minataku> CaBlGuY: You don't, Yahoo sucks
[09:19] <coreymon77> and what the heck are those
[09:19] <CaBlGuY> anyone else who's not a smart ass?
[09:19] <CaBlGuY> :/
[09:19] <Minataku> coreymon77: They're things you type into Google to find out about them
[09:19] <sampan> schuenemann  in the launch feedback section, on the right you'll see a "busy cursor" heading ... change the setting to "no busy cursor" and the annoying bouncing icons will be gone
[09:19] <Minataku> CaBlGuY: Seriously
[09:19] <genii> They don't really know how many ppl run linux because they only go by how much SALES accounted for that OS. So 0.37% of ppl PAID for linux. But far more are using it
[09:19] <Minataku> You don't
[09:19] <rbugman> can I get a url on how to "fix a signal out of range" error using a NVidia GeForce 5600 card?
[09:19] <Minataku> I'm fairly certain Yahoo doesn't let you use anything other than their web access
[09:20] <Schuenemann> sampan: my KDE is translated, which icon is the launch feedback?
[09:20] <CaBlGuY> so, what your telling me is there is no web based support in Evolution..
[09:20] <n2aag> Minataku: dunno man..    my core 2 macbook was a lot less expensive than the equivalent thinkpad t60
[09:20] <evo> OSX has 1400% more marketshare than linux
[09:20] <HymnToLife> !fixres | rbugman
[09:20] <ubotu> rbugman: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type "sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart" in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[09:20] <sampan> schuenemann  the one with the rocket ship :)
[09:20] <evo> you people who think otherwise, are super ignorant
[09:20] <Minataku> n2aag: It also has a nice little TPM chip inside and is completely untouchable anyway
[09:20] <n2aag> and, I wasn't forced to pay for windows in the process (yes, I was forced to pay for OSX instead, but at least I'm not giving my money to M$)
[09:20] <Minataku> It probably has Torx screws, too, doesn't it?
[09:20] <hatta> coreymon77: http://www.eff.org/Infrastructure/trusted_computing/20031001_tc.php
[09:21] <n2aag> I have a full set of torx bits, so what's your point?
[09:21] <Minataku> Thanks, hatta
[09:21] <evo> torx are superior to philips in every single way
[09:21] <n2aag> and most machines ship with TPM these days
[09:21] <evo> philips are designed to pop out when turned, it's a huge flaw
[09:21] <Minataku> I actually have a number of links for it, I'm just in a sour mood
[09:21] <n2aag> TPM hasn't effected me in anyway...
[09:21] <excitatory> evo: it really depends on if you're talking personal computers, or amount of linux kernels running.. if it's the later, then linux is far more.  also, linux is pretty widely employed in europe and many other parts of the world.
[09:21] <hatta> coreymon77, you know how you have to call home to apple in order to access itunes media files?
[09:22] <Minataku> evo: You can take your trolling elsewhere, please.
[09:22] <genii> Anything is superior to a Philips except a slot LOL
[09:22] <hatta> microsoft wants to make you ask them permission to do ANYTHING
[09:22] <Schuenemann> sampan: isn't there an option that shows just an ordinary hourglass?
[09:22] <evo> trolling? i'm stating facts
[09:22] <coreymon77> hatta: ???
[09:22] <Minataku> evo: Well, you've had something negative to say to several things now
[09:22] <hatta> that's what trusted computing is
[09:22] <hatta> if microsoft doesn't trust the software, you can't run it
[09:22] <Minataku> My troll flag went off
[09:22] <evo> exitatory: if something is running a linux kernel, it is then running linux... so it is included in the marketshare....
[09:22] <sampan> schuenemann  you can get the hourglass in the taskbar (it's the section right under "busy cursor"
[09:22] <Minataku> coreymon77: It all comes down to "They don't trust you"
[09:23] <coreymon77> of course they dont
[09:23] <Minataku> No matter what you're doing you're trying to steal everything
[09:23] <coreymon77> but what are they doing about it
[09:23] <Minataku> TC
[09:23] <Minataku> They control your computer
[09:23] <sampan> schuenemann  also, the other options for busy cursor (passive and blinking -- instead of bouncing) might be more what you want
[09:23] <sandro__> d
[09:23] <Minataku> Not you
[09:23] <sandro__> oi
[09:23] <Schuenemann> sampan: some applications show a round cursor (I think it's the same as gnome)
[09:23] <Minataku> That's the core of TC
[09:23] <genii> evo By that reasoning OSX should also be in that category, since the bsd distribution that is based on also runs linux binaries
[09:23] <evo> Minataku: nothing negative, i've corrected the people who think linux is more popular than osx, if they want to continue to argue, i'll oblige
[09:23] <excitatory> evo: well, then you'll have to consider the thousands of embedded systems in your figure.
[09:23] <n2aag> the current generation of TPMs wont prevent you from running your OS of choice, from what I've seen, so I'm not worried at the moment
[09:24] <sandro__> somebody help me
[09:24] <Morbo> Isn't it more popular if you factor in non-desktop stuff?
[09:24] <evo> no
[09:24] <Minataku> There's a QFP microcontroller on the mainboard that guarantees that your computer won't listen to a damn thing you tell it to
[09:24] <evo> osx is 14x more popular than linux as of december last year
[09:24] <evo> hard numbers
[09:24] <hatta> right, they're colluding with hardware manufacturers
[09:24] <hatta> to get chips installed
[09:24] <evo> http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=2
[09:24] <Minataku> Morbo means non-desktop as in servers and such, where Linux IS most popular hands down
[09:24] <hatta> that won't let unauthorized software run
[09:25] <genii> evo Think about what the word "marketshare" means. It involves the transaction of money.
[09:25] <rbugman> Thanks for the info! no joy
[09:25] <evo> no it doesn't
[09:25] <sampan> schuenemann  i'm not sure about round cursors, i just know where to turn off that annoying bounce (drove me batty the first hours with kubuntu)
[09:25] <evo> but thanks for playing
[09:25] <genii> linux is below the radar of beancounters
[09:25] <Kubuntu|Slave> hhhmmm... X-chat is weird
[09:26] <Minataku> And who would trust a site with a name like "hitslink"
[09:26] <evo> perhaps you need to read a dictionary, particularly 'marketshare'
[09:26] <rbugman> I guess I have a system that ubuntu will not run on, strange that FC, Mandriva, SUSE have no problems with.
[09:26] <evo> or 'market share' rather
[09:26] <Minataku> Sounds like an ad agency to me
[09:26] <evo> Minataku: oh yes, i actually fabricated taht site in the middle of our argument, just to win
[09:27] <Minataku> I didn't say you did
[09:27] <Schuenemann> sampan: I'd like something to show it's opening the program, but not the same icon as the program... maybe that isn't possible by default
[09:27] <Morbo> Just out of curiosity, evo, do you remember which site/place did that study?
[09:27] <n2aag> I have to say, I'm hearing a lot of n00bish conversation in here..
[09:27] <Minataku> I just said I wouldn't trust a site with a name like that to give me trustable data
[09:27] <evo> i just googled, and that was the first link i found
[09:27] <evo> i know osx is hugely more popular than linux
[09:27] <evo> go try prove me wrong
[09:28] <n2aag> evo: you're an idiot, at least on that point
[09:28] <evo> ahh yes
[09:28] <evo> i must be
[09:28] <Kubuntu|Slave> Most ppl here using linux not osx think that proved you wrong :P
[09:28] <Schuenemann> I rarely see someone using Mac
[09:28] <n2aag> server market share, dumbass
[09:28] <Schuenemann> even on internet
[09:28] <Morbo> this conversation is prolly better for -offtopic
[09:28] <Minataku> Not to mention that I'm positive there are close to ZERO commercial servers running OSX
[09:28] <evo> haha
[09:28] <doudoo> hi all
[09:28] <Minataku> They're either running Linux + Apache or Windows + IIS
[09:28] <Kubuntu|Slave> hi
[09:29] <doudoo> i just wanna compil my first kernel
[09:29] <Kubuntu|Slave> yep
[09:29] <evo> yes, because all servers are webservers?
[09:29] <Kubuntu|Slave> I run FTP server linux & irc fserve linux
[09:29] <doudoo> but when i make menuconfig it says that a checklist.c is missing
[09:29] <doudoo> but it s not
[09:29] <doudoo> ...
[09:29] <Kubuntu|Slave> much betetr hen OsX
[09:29] <n2aag> yeah..   seriously..    anyone know anything about mactel disk partitioning before I get out of here?   (just to get back on topic)
[09:29] <Minataku> Okay, trolling confirmed
[09:30] <Minataku> Would someone with access kindly eject evo?
[09:30] <Kubuntu|Slave> trolls where? I only see evo
[09:30] <evo> haha
[09:30] <evo> i'll leave
[09:30] <evo> cheers
[09:30] <excitatory> doudoo: the first question, is why do you want to compile your own kernel?
[09:30] <Kubuntu|Slave> bye
[09:30] <doudoo> wanna test 2.6.19 kernel for my core 2 duo
[09:30] <doudoo> see if i can see some improvement
[09:30] <Minataku> lol
[09:30] <genii> quoted directly irectly from the page you cited (about where their stats are drawn from) "We collect data from the browsers of site visitors to our exclusive on demand network of small to medium enterprise live stats customers."
[09:31] <doudoo> and cause I wannna learn how to do
[09:31] <Minataku> rofl
[09:31] <doudoo> I like linux!
[09:31] <Kubuntu|Slave> same
[09:31] <Minataku> I hate marketspeak like that
[09:31] <Minataku> XD
[09:31] <Kubuntu|Slave> more stable
[09:31] <genii> All that means is their stats reflect whatever OS their customers predominantly use
[09:31] <Minataku> "exclusive on demand high availabiliy super powered mega cluster power ranger hyper megazord"
[09:31] <Minataku> Or whatever
[09:31] <Minataku> lol
[09:31] <Kubuntu|Slave> I personaly dont know anyone who uses anything else but Linxu or windows
[09:32] <Schuenemann> me too
[09:32] <Kubuntu|Slave> linux*
[09:32] <Schuenemann> me neither
[09:32] <Morbo> I know some Non-OSX *BSD users
[09:32] <Schuenemann> I've seen people using Mac on videos only
[09:32] <Kubuntu|Slave> "BS"D u mean :P
[09:33] <Schuenemann> book authors
[09:33] <n2aag> I have OSX on my new laptop, and it's nice and all, but it's also non-free and will be wiped soon...
[09:33] <Schuenemann> and they were all from US
[09:33] <JOSF> Hi, I do not get a screen anymore after awakeining from hibernate. It seems this is being caused by the nvidia-legacy driver (I used the one from nvidia themselfes)
[09:33] <Minataku> BSD is good, too
[09:33] <JOSF> Is there any help-guide on that ?
[09:33] <JOSF> !swsusp
[09:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about swsusp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:33] <JOSF> !suspend
[09:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about suspend - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:33] <Kubuntu|Slave> Nvidea only video I know that has issues with linux, I blam manufacturer
[09:33] <Minataku> Darwin, on the other hand is just garbage
[09:34] <hatta> nvidia is great for linux
[09:34] <Morbo> Minataku- I agree.   Does it get slow as you stay long on a channel?
[09:35] <Morbo> Well, I never used it extensively, but I never had a good experience with it
[09:35] <Minataku> Ugh... GNOME
[09:35] <n2aag> I'd rather use fully-supported integrated intel graphics than taint my machine with closed-source kernel and userspace drivers
[09:35] <Minataku> And agreed, hatta
[09:35] <Kubuntu|Slave> I dont trust the little short abastard down there
[09:35] <Kubuntu|Slave> bastard*
[09:35] <Minataku> There are cases where consessions can be made
[09:35] <n2aag> that said, I have a pretty kickin' nvidia card in my workstation
[09:35] <Morbo> Although that box is mainly a mythtv thing right now
[09:36] <Morbo> Until I scrape together the cash to build a miniatx type system
[09:36] <n2aag> I am going to install another video card in my workstation soon and run mythtv atop a multiseat setup
[09:36] <Kubuntu|Slave> the new 8X nvidias seem to have some issue desktop wise but runs great on games
[09:37] <Minataku> At least nVidia cares enough to make a good, serviceable Linux driver
[09:37] <Minataku> ATI hates us and wouldn't care if we all died
[09:37] <Kubuntu|Slave> driver? since when does linux need drivers :P
[09:37] <Minataku> ATI is another corporation that assumes that we're all liars and thieves
[09:37] <Kubuntu|Slave> ATI is gay, there mainboards suck too
[09:37] <Minataku> Kubuntu|Slave: Linux has drivers, too
[09:37] <genii> Well, AMD now. The old ATI website doesn't even have one place to find an old ATI logo on it now.
[09:38] <n2aag> Kubuntu|Slave: ATI is homosexual?   since when?
[09:38] <Minataku> They're either compiled into the kernel or compiled as modules to be inserted into a running kernel
[09:38] <Kubuntu|Slave> I never needd to d/l a driver for linux just put it in & it works
[09:38] <Kubuntu|Slave> since they where created
[09:38] <Minataku> Kubuntu|Slave: Because the Kubuntu kernel is provided with all the modules
[09:39] <n2aag> okay..     /me out
[09:39] <Minataku> You plug it in, it looks for the module providing the functionality to operate with that device
[09:39] <excitatory> Kubuntu|Slave: of course, but if you want some more advanced 3d support, a manufacturer driver is necessary.
[09:39] <Kubuntu|Slave> this monday if u can watch the daily show, he interviewing bill gates he he he
[09:39] <Minataku> I apologize, BTW if I've upset and/or offended anyone
[09:39] <Minataku> lol
[09:39] <Minataku> I got a little worked up for a bit X3
[09:39] <tobre> Hi!
[09:40] <tobre> Anyone knows where can I change charset in kubuntu?
[09:40] <Minataku> Ooooh... .ee
[09:40] <Kubuntu|Slave> eeerrr.....
[09:40] <Minataku> That's Estonia, if I'm not mistaken
[09:40] <tobre> Yeah.
[09:40] <underdog5004> genii, got another hangover "cure": dill pickle juice
[09:40] <Kubuntu|Slave> Estonia where weed is legal :P
[09:41] <Kubuntu|Slave> E"stone"ia" :P
[09:41] <tobre> Noup. :P
[09:41] <genii> underdog5004: Bleh! that will just dehydrate you more
[09:41] <Kubuntu|Slave> exactly
[09:42] <Kubuntu|Slave> it rids you of the chemicals that give u hangover
[09:42] <Minataku> There is no cure for a hangover, unless you count preventative cures
[09:42] <Minataku> Of which there's one... don't drink so f?cking much
[09:42] <Minataku> XD
[09:42] <tobre> I can't find anywhere where can I chenge system charset.
[09:42] <Minataku> !charset
[09:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about charset - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:43] <Minataku> Bah, lousy bot
[09:43] <tobre> :(
[09:43] <Minataku> tobre: There's definitely a way to do it, I just don't know
[09:43] <ziza> i'm getting so sick of this cdrecord crap. how the hell did I manage to burn a few cds  some months ago, but now it just locks up my cd recorder all the time :(
[09:43] <tobre> Yes, I know there is..:P
[09:44] <Minataku> I thought it was cdrtools now
[09:44] <YumeLostHisClue> YumeNoEien
[09:44] <Minataku> Ever since what's-his-face changed the cdrecord license and they forked it
[09:44] <YumeLostHisClue> ><
[09:44] <YumeNoEien> :)
[09:44] <YumeNoEien> back
[09:44] <ziza> yeah i know Schily changed the license
[09:45] <YumeNoEien> so what interesting topics have i been missing?
[09:45] <Minataku> Not much
[09:45] <Minataku> Talking about how Schily is an ass
[09:45] <YumeNoEien> cool
[09:45] <Minataku> The usual stuff
[09:45] <Minataku> XD
[09:45] <ziza> i even followed the discussion in the German online news site "heise", where Schily defended himself...
[09:45] <YumeNoEien> lol
[09:45] <Minataku> rofl
[09:45] <YumeNoEien> hahaha
[09:46] <Minataku> Screw him, let him change it
[09:46] <Minataku> The old license lets us fork it at the point before the change
[09:46] <YumeNoEien> hi Ana
[09:46] <Kubuntu|Slave> there is cures for hangovers, ont wake up till its gone :P
[09:46] <Kubuntu|Slave> dont*
[09:46] <Minataku> He can sit and stagnate with his code that nobody will ever use again while we go on without him
[09:46] <YumeNoEien> Kubuntu|Slave: like u have a choice in waking up :p
[09:46] <ziza> i can't kill the cdrecord process, not even as root. how stupid is that?
[09:46] <Kubuntu|Slave> brb I dont like X-chat
[09:47] <Kubuntu|Slave> sure ya do bedpan & covers over head :P
[09:47] <Minataku> ziza: It means it's jammed
[09:47] <Minataku> Try "kill -9 <pid of cdrecord>"
[09:47] <YumeNoEien> Hehehe
[09:47] <Minataku> If that fails just hang tight and it should eventually crap
[09:47] <ziza> i think it's so full of crap that i could live on forever
[09:48] <YumeNoEien> ugh im sleepy
[09:48] <ziza> how do i find out the id of a process?
[09:48] <YumeNoEien> i mailed my modemscan thingy
[09:48] <YumeNoEien> alomst 90 seconds past and i still dont have a reply
[09:48] <Kubuntu|Slave> Used to be ctrl alt esc
[09:48] <Minataku> ziza: ps -A
[09:48] <Kubuntu|Slave> get taskmanager
[09:48] <ziza> k thx
[09:49] <YumeNoEien> Just curious, what fun and exciting things do you guys use linux for?
[09:49] <Minataku> In my case, everything
[09:49] <Minataku> Linux Piyoko <IP_ADDRESS>-Pyocola-i686 #1 PREEMPT Wed Dec 20 23:21:32 EST 2006 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.66GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
[09:49] <Minataku> This is my desktop system
[09:50] <YumeNoEien> icic
[09:51] <Minataku> I'm a Gentoo user, BTW, not a Kubuntu user
[09:51] <Minataku> Which is why most people don't like my answers because they're all done from the CLI XD
[09:51] <YumeNoEien> *gasp* are you one of those people
[09:51] <Minataku> Nah, no serious optimizations
[09:51] <YumeNoEien> :)
[09:51] <YumeNoEien> so whats different in Gentoo?
[09:51] <Minataku> But I do have a lot more freedom in choosing how things get compiled and such
[09:51] <Kubuntu|Slave> that wasnt it :P
[09:52] <Minataku> YumeNoEien: No hand-holding
[09:52] <Minataku> You're given a screwdriver and a manual
[09:52] <Minataku> After that it's up to you
[09:52] <YumeNoEien> o.O
[09:52] <Kubuntu|Slave> gentoo for advanced linux nerds :P
[09:52] <HymnToLife> FreeBSD ana.fkraiem.org 6.2-STABLE FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE #1: Mon Jan 22 21:00:28 CET 2007     mfb@ana.fkraiem.org:/usr/src/sys/i386/compile/ANA  i386 <= this is mine, ftw :p
[09:52] <ziza> lol, i once tried to install Gentoo, but when I tried to compile KDE that waste of time just freaked me out. nevertheless, it was a good to learn something new... :)
[09:52] <YumeNoEien> icic
[09:52] <YumeNoEien> icic
[09:53] <Minataku> Kubuntu comes out of the box complete
[09:53] <genii> YumeNoEien: The main thing with Gentoo is that when the system installs itself, it compiles everything on-the-fly to be optimised for the box you are putting it on
[09:53] <YumeNoEien> *instant respect for Minataku*
[09:53] <Minataku> Gentoo is like something you buy from Ikea
[09:53] <Minataku> Heehee *blush*
[09:53] <HymnToLife> Minataku, a bit _too_ complete maybe
[09:53] <Kubuntu|Slave> or microsoft lmao
[09:53] <YumeNoEien> so gentoo is much more adjusted to your comp than other distros
[09:53] <Minataku> Kubuntu|Slave: Uh, no
[09:53] <HymnToLife> there are lots of useless stuff in Kubuntu
[09:53] <Minataku> YumeNoEien: Exactly
[09:53] <YumeNoEien> :o
[09:53] <Minataku> Every binary on Piyoko down to the kernel is compiled on and for her and her only
[09:54] <Kubuntu|Slave> not useless to me, there not large so it doesnt matter having a little extra
[09:54] <YumeNoEien> sweet
[09:54] <HymnToLife> Minataku, same on my Ana :p
[09:54] <YumeNoEien> i wish i were geek enough for gentoo
[09:54] <YumeNoEien> :(
[09:54] <genii> YumeNoEien: It is like the difference between a SUIT you buy at Walmart and a tailored tuxedo
[09:54] <CVirus> Gentoo == Full Control
[09:54] <YumeNoEien> lol
[09:54] <genii> bleh caplocks
[09:54] <Minataku> YumeNoEien: Try and move away from depending on the GUI in Kubuntu
[09:55] <Kubuntu|Slave> gui = control
[09:55] <Kubuntu|Slave> speed too
[09:55] <YumeNoEien> im trying to use the terminal for most things
[09:55] <Minataku> Kubuntu|Slave: Far from it
[09:55] <YumeNoEien> but i still have trouble moving files from one dir to another
[09:55] <YumeNoEien> i just keep renaming them
[09:55] <Minataku> The CLI is far, FAR more powerful and speedy than a GUI
[09:55] <YumeNoEien> ><
[09:55] <Kubuntu|Slave> CLI *t :P
[09:55] <Minataku> YumeNoEien: mv /directory/name/* /new/directory
[09:56] <YumeNoEien> K, im gonna try it right now
[09:56] <CVirus> Kubuntu|Slave: which is faster .. typing cd /foo/foobar/x/y/z ... or clicking on your file manager and browsing till you reach the directory ?
[09:56] <dale> Im having problems 'su' ing
[09:56] <Kubuntu|Slave> you gotta be a uber typer to do things in terminal aka UBER geek
[09:56] <HymnToLife> !root | dale
[09:56] <ubotu> dale: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[09:56] <Kubuntu|Slave> clicking I got shortcut
[09:56] <Fred_G> I have a 42GB free partition (hda-1) that I would like to add to hda1 (now at 20GB). Is this possible?
[09:56] <dale> when I get prompted for my root password it accepts it fine
[09:56] <genii> Because in the entire linux/X relationship everything on the  gui is just basically a frontend to some cli thing, the cli is superior
[09:57] <Minataku> Kubuntu|Slave: As you use Linux more you'll realize you're wrong
[09:57] <Minataku> When what used to take you 10m in the GUI suddenly takes you 10s at the shell
[09:57] <dale> but when I su i get authentication faliure
[09:57] <Minataku> dale: root is locked out in Kubuntu
[09:57] <dale> and more powerful !- superior
[09:57] <HymnToLife> dale, read the link ubotu gave you
[09:57] <genii> dale use sudo instead
[09:57] <Minataku> Are you trying to become root to do everything?
[09:57] <Kubuntu|Slave> I can make menu's shortcuts to 1 click anything term u gotta type directrys & get to the file before u can even use em
[09:57] <Kubuntu|Slave> then you also gotta remember all them commands
[09:57] <Minataku> If you are, stop and quit trying now
[09:58] <YumeGettingGeeki> minitaku
[09:58] <Minataku> Like I said, as you get more used to Linux and use the CLI more, you'll realize that you were wrong all this time
[09:58] <Kubuntu|Slave> linux manual 100K pages, thast alot to remember :P
[09:58] <YumeGettingGeeki> minataku: for the new dir do i write the complete adress from root?
[09:59] <Minataku> YumeGettingGeeki: Depends where it is
[09:59] <YumeGettingGeeki> or can i do ../../dir
[09:59] <Minataku> You can do that
[09:59] <HymnToLife> YumeGettingGeeki, not necessarily
[09:59] <HymnToLife> you can use relative path too
[09:59] <dale> I am very used to using linux and the cli
[09:59] <YumeGettingGeeki> cool
[09:59] <Kubuntu|Slave> Onlt CLI I like is a CLIT :P your an uber nerd if u can navigate CLi & terminal that easy & should go outside more often
[09:59] <Minataku> That'll put it in a directory named "dir" two directories back from the current
[09:59] <YumeGettingGeeki> dale: im still getting used to it :)
[09:59] <genii> I usually like to make symlinks relative if they point to something in the same dir or a subdir
[09:59] <Minataku> Okay, Kubuntu|Slave, take the trolling elsewhere
[10:00] <dale> but I like usable software, which generally means a gui, ubuntu seems nice so far
[10:00] <YumeGettingGeeki> Minataku: i know ^^ btw if the directory named 'dir' desnt exist will it be made automatically?
[10:00] <Kubuntu|Slave> minat id I hurt ur nerdy feelings :P
[10:00] <Minataku> YumeGettingGeeki: Good question
[10:00] <YumeGettingGeeki> guess ill find out
[10:00] <Minataku> I think it'll either fail or screw up
[10:00] <Minataku> WAIT
[10:00] <Minataku> Let me try first
[10:00] <Minataku> lol
[10:01] <YumeGettingGeeki> ill just do mv -v <etc.>
[10:01] <YumeGettingGeeki> lol
[10:01] <Kubuntu|Slave> easyest way is use /dirname/dirname to browse between folders or use the autocomplete :P
[10:01] <Minataku> Yeah, it'll fail
[10:01] <YumeGettingGeeki> thanks Slave
[10:01] <dope> how can i boot from a pendrive in grub?
[10:01] <Minataku> Just make the directory first, YumeGettingGeeki
[10:01] <Minataku> lol
[10:01] <YumeGettingGeeki> autocomplete is done with Tab right?
[10:02] <dale> um right ,how do I make su available
[10:02] <Minataku> YumeGettingGeeki: Yeah
[10:02] <YumeGettingGeeki> lol
[10:02] <YumeGettingGeeki> k
[10:02] <Kubuntu|Slave> thats easy u can load a grub bootkernal n the pendrive
[10:02] <Minataku> dale: Why, specifically, do you need a root shell?
[10:02] <HymnToLife> Minataku, it works without making the dir before
[10:02] <Fred_G> can anyone tell me how to add a 40GB free partition to a 20GB one?
[10:02] <genii> dope Find out what device it uses usuallu sda then install grub to it
[10:02] <HymnToLife> mv foo/bar foobar
[10:02] <Kubuntu|Slave> just make it a bootle pen drive for linux, shouldload the grub too
[10:02] <Minataku> HymnToLife: Not here it doesn't
[10:02] <dope> genii: i don't follow
[10:02] <HymnToLife> wil move bar inside foobar, giving you foobar/bar
[10:02] <dope> grub is already installed
[10:02] <YumeGettingGeeki> argh
[10:02] <YumeGettingGeeki> i must have made a typo
[10:03] <YumeGettingGeeki> no such file
[10:03] <Kubuntu|Slave> does your pc support loading from a usb drive?
[10:03] <dope> no
[10:03] <Minataku> YumeGettingGeeki: Make the target directory first
[10:03] <Kubuntu|Slave> then u cant boot from a pendrive
[10:03] <dope> that's why i need to boot from grub
[10:03] <dale> because i would like to change the ownership of /opt, possible some other files
[10:03] <dale> install something in /usr/bin
[10:03] <HymnToLife> !sudo | dale
[10:03] <Kubuntu|Slave> ur pc has to suport loading off a usb device
[10:03] <ubotu> dale: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[10:03] <genii> dope Ah OK, I thought you trying to boot from the pendrive as first mdbr
[10:03] <genii> mbr even
[10:03] <YumeGettingGeeki> Minataku: im just moving it to a directory that allready exists :p
[10:03] <HymnToLife> dale, read the fantastic link
[10:04] <Minataku> YumeGettingGeeki: Show me what your command is
[10:04] <Kubuntu|Slave> oh ok
[10:04] <YumeGettingGeeki> this is what i got:
[10:04] <dope> it is possible to boot a pen drive from grub, right?
[10:04] <Kubuntu|Slave> like from HD to load the pendrive as os?
[10:04] <dope> i think so, grub is on the HD
[10:04] <Kubuntu|Slave> or flop to pen drive as os?
[10:04] <YumeGettingGeeki> mv -v Examples/oo-maxwell.odt /home/ubuntu/Images
[10:04] <genii> dope Yes, it is, if grub is actually loading from somewhere else
[10:04] <Minataku> dale: Manual installation is discouraged in Kubuntu
[10:04] <YumeGettingGeeki> oh wait, that should be ubuntu/home
[10:04] <dope> grub comes up everytime i start my comp
[10:04] <Kubuntu|Slave> u have to change the grubroot to specify the pen drive I belive
[10:05] <genii> dope The trick is knowing which bios drive the pendrive works out to
[10:05] <dope> hmm
[10:05] <HymnToLife> YumeGettingGeeki, that shoulg give you /home/ubuntu/Images/oo-maxwell.odt
[10:05] <dope> i'm gonna try something, brb
[10:05] <YumeGettingGeeki> oh
[10:05] <Kubuntu|Slave> uh oh
[10:05] <YumeGettingGeeki> okay thanks
[10:05] <Kubuntu|Slave> :P
[10:05] <HymnToLife> should*
[10:05] <Minataku> YumeGettingGeeki: You'll get the hang of it
[10:05] <Minataku> I id
[10:05] <Minataku> *did
[10:05] <Minataku> XD
[10:06] <dale> heh, I develop with inkscape, is kubunto going to compile and install from source every few minutes?
[10:06] <Kubuntu|Slave> Ihavent used linux in years & I now gettign hang of it again quite asy
[10:06] <YumeGettingGeeki> minataku: or die trying :p
[10:06] <Kubuntu|Slave> easy*
[10:06] <Kubuntu|Slave> its typing on a pos Kb hat gets me :P
[10:06] <Kubuntu|Slave> that*
[10:06] <YumeGettingGeeki> k gonna be afk for a few minutes to wrestle with this command ^^
[10:07] <underdog5004> Kubuntu|Slave, you on a lappy?
[10:07] <Kubuntu|Slave> no pc
[10:07] <Kubuntu|Slave> my lappy wont handle this, cant even handle xp :P
[10:07] <Kubuntu|Slave> question how do I get nessus to connect?
[10:08] <Minataku> YumeGettingGeeki: lol, you'll get it soon enough
[10:08] <Fred_G> Hi! How can I add a 40GB free partition (hda-1) to a 20 GB (hda1) one?
[10:08] <Minataku> I do all my file management (and pretty much everything period) through the CLI
[10:08] <Kubuntu|Slave> I plan on using linux to monitor are network :)
[10:09] <Kubuntu|Slave> How  do I get nessus o connect, says ts unable to connect to localhost
[10:09] <YumeGettingGeeki> hehe
[10:09] <Kubuntu|Slave> to*
[10:09] <Minataku> Kubuntu|Slave: Is English your first language?
[10:09] <YumeGettingGeeki> if i hang around this channel long enough
[10:09] <Kubuntu|Slave> yes my KB sucks
[10:09] <genii> Fred_G If all you want to do is use it without repartitioning, just format and mount it someplace
[10:09] <YumeGettingGeeki> il prolly learn to use the CLI too :)
[10:09] <Minataku> Oh, so it types "our" as "are"?
[10:10] <Kubuntu|Slave> sometimes I type  a letter another letter comes up instead
[10:10] <YumeGettingGeeki> WOOT PROGRESS!
[10:10] <Minataku> Sorry, I'm just hassling you because I hate poor grammar
[10:10] <Kubuntu|Slave> minak being ignored & called a pissant your first language :)
[10:10] <Kubuntu|Slave> he he he hastle that :)
[10:10] <YumeGettingGeeki> went from vannot stat to cannot move
[10:11] <Fred_G> thx genii- I want to add it to an already installed Ubuntu..is this poss?
[10:11] <YumeGettingGeeki> *vannot == cannot
[10:11] <Minataku> Hm, strange
[10:11] <pixelation> #WINE
[10:11] <pixelation> oops sorry
[10:11] <dale> yume, sounds like permissions if its readingthe source files
[10:11] <Minataku> #BEER is better
[10:11] <pixelation> lol
[10:11] <Kubuntu|Slave> ANYWAY how do I get nessus to connect to my pc to run a scan??
[10:11] <dale> what editor do people generally use in ubuntu
[10:12] <Minataku> nano is my top choice
[10:12] <dope> nope, that didn't work
[10:12] <dale> used to kate, but wouldnt mind a change
[10:12] <Minataku> That's on any distro, any OS
[10:12] <Kubuntu|Slave> I dont use ubuntu nemore I hate gnome :P
[10:12] <Minataku> Well, any OS that has nano
[10:12] <YumeGettingGeeki> dale: argh,.. permissions are needed to move files?
[10:12] <Minataku> YumeGettingGeeki: It depends
[10:12] <Kubuntu|Slave> linuxall about security :)
[10:12] <Kubuntu|Slave> linux all*
[10:12] <underdog5004> YumeGettingGeeki, sud
[10:12] <dale> you need permissions to write to the destination
[10:12] <underdog5004> sudo
[10:12] <Minataku> The source/destinations have to be yours or allow you
[10:12] <HymnToLife> Minataku, nano is Free Software, so you can install it on any OS
[10:13] <YumeGettingGeeki> sudo mv then
[10:13] <YumeGettingGeeki> :)
[10:13] <Minataku> HymnToLife: Yes, but not EVERY OS has it
[10:13] <dale> do a ls -l on the directory above where your trying to copy to
[10:13] <genii> Fred_G Yes. You can make it so that the partition will be mounted under some directory. Then your total storage will be the additive of both partitions. There is a way to also merge partitions but it is a pain to do. Thje easiest option is just to prepare then mount the one you are not using currently.
[10:13] <Minataku> I don't think there's a port of nano to OpenVMS for example XD
[10:13] <dale> yume, probably not the best idea
[10:13] <HymnToLife> depends what you call "has"
[10:13] <YumeGettingGeeki> oops
[10:13] <HymnToLife> not every OS installs it by default but you can always install it yourself
[10:13] <YumeGettingGeeki> just used it, sad cannot move no such file or directory
[10:13] <Minataku> I meant "has" as in is there a port of it to that particular OS
[10:13] <YumeGettingGeeki> i think im writing a wrong target directory
[10:14] <dale> I meant like a semi decent editor, certainly with a gui
[10:14] <genii> Fred_G: Do you know the device name of the partition which is not used? eg: hd5 hd6 or something similar
[10:14] <genii> hda5 hda6 or so, rather
[10:14] <dale> certainly not emacs / nano / vi
[10:14] <genii> <-- keyboard skips
[10:14] <Minataku> dale: Just use Kate and keep the hate to a minimum
[10:15] <Kubuntu|Slave> same ehre genil
[10:15] <Kubuntu|Slave> here*
[10:15] <Fred_G> genii - hda-1  would like to add to hda1
[10:15] <genii> Fred_G: There is no valid device of hda-1 only some like hda1 hda2 and so on. Negative numbers are not valid devices
[10:16] <Kubuntu|Slave> j/k
[10:16] <Kubuntu|Slave> lol
[10:16] <dale> heh sorry, that was somewhat sharp, I just have a thing about purists
[10:16] <Kubuntu|Slave> he bugged me :P
[10:16] <Minataku> Kubuntu|Slave: Standard procedure in cases where an answer is not known is to not answer
[10:16] <Minataku> Nobody knows, so nobody has answered
[10:16] <Kubuntu|Slave> u got a prob with pagans :P
[10:16] <djwilcox> doing a victory dance - just installed vlc
[10:17] <Minataku> dale: Purist nothing, purists use emacs / vi
[10:17] <Minataku> I can't stand either of them
[10:17] <genii> Fred_G: Do you know how to use the pastebin service?
[10:17] <Minataku> lol
[10:17] <Minataku> I like my editor to actually edit when I open a file
[10:17] <genii> !pastebin | Fred_G
[10:17] <ubotu> Fred_G: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[10:18] <Minataku> Tons of stupid : commands or thirty-key macros aren't my idea of a useful editor
[10:18] <Kubuntu|Slave> !kick dale
[10:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kick dale - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:18] <YumeGettingGeeki> Minataku: okay im allready in the same directory as the file i want to transer, so i wrote
[10:18] <Kubuntu|Slave> j/k
[10:18] <djwilcox> any one know how to get the vlc plug in working in firefox
[10:18] <Kubuntu|Slave> should just load & run
[10:18] <Fred_G> genii - here's what I did...I set up a dual boot..20GB for Ubuntu, 60GB for Kubuntu. I now want 60 for the Ubuntu. I reinstalled K with a smaller part. ..now I have a 40GB free block I would like to use with the existing 20GB Ubuntu.
[10:18] <Minataku> YumeGettingGeeki: In that case, it's mv /whereever/lala/originalfile.lol .
[10:18] <YumeGettingGeeki> Minataku: mv logo-Ubuntu.png /ubuntu/home/Images/logo-Ubuntu.png
[10:19] <Kubuntu|Slave> u have to make extended partition
[10:19] <YumeGettingGeeki> oh ic
[10:19] <underdog5004> vim is ok...
[10:19] <Minataku> YumeGettingGeeki: If you're in the target directory, replace the last one with "."
[10:19] <YumeGettingGeeki> Minataku: getting to it right now
[10:19] <underdog5004> much more intuitive
[10:19] <Minataku> underdog5004: vim is the same crap
[10:19] <genii> Fred_G: It would be useful to see the partition tables. Can you cut/paste to the pastebin that? If not sure how I'll guide you
[10:19] <HymnToLife> Minataku, you can omit the name of the file in the last argument
[10:19] <Minataku> Just use nano and save yourself the headache
[10:19] <HymnToLife> YumeGettingGeeki* sorry
[10:19] <underdog5004> Minataku, naw, you're just wrong.
[10:19] <underdog5004> lol
[10:19] <Fred_G> let me try..thx for the help..
[10:19] <Kubuntu|Slave> min always wrong :P
[10:20] <Minataku> If the file doesn't open in the editor in editing mode, it's not an editor, it's a fancy piece of crap
[10:20] <underdog5004> I prefer kate or kwrite for gui stuff, but when my xorg takes a dump, vim is my weapon of choice
[10:20] <HymnToLife> YumeGettingGeeki, if last arument is a dir, the file will be moved to that dir, without being renamed
[10:20] <genii> Fred_G: np . Likely the area you want is hda5 but good to make sure first
[10:20] <Minataku> emacs is definitely bloat-o-rama, that's clearly known
[10:20] <YumeGettingGeeki> so mv filename /directory
[10:20] <underdog5004> never used emacs
[10:20] <HymnToLife> YumeGettingGeeki, yep
[10:20] <Minataku> As for vi, I don't want to have to type whatever to start editing a file
[10:20] <Kubuntu|Slave> emac Evil Mac?
[10:20] <Minataku> Then remember how to actually write it out
[10:21] <underdog5004> Minataku, in vim you just hit 'i' for insert...then you start typing...yeah, really difficult, I know
[10:21] <HymnToLife> as they say on the vi homepage, Emacs is a nice OS. Too bad it lacks a good text editor :p
[10:21] <underdog5004> !emacs
[10:21] <dope> i have a problem
[10:21] <ubotu> Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), mousepad (Xfce4) | Terminal-based editors: vi/vim, emacs, and nano (user-friendly). | HTML/CSS editors: !html | Programming: !code
[10:21] <Minataku> underdog5004: I shouldn't have to hit "i"
[10:21] <Soul^Shadow> too much dope :)
[10:21] <dope> i want to access an NFS
[10:21] <Minataku> Nor worry about typing something else and hosing everything
[10:21] <underdog5004> Minataku, Puh-leaze
[10:21] <YumeGettingGeeki> "mv logo-Ubuntu.png /ubuntu/home/Images" isnt doing my bidding :p
[10:21] <underdog5004> Minataku, although I do understand your worry...
[10:22] <Soul^Shadow> dope u gotta mount a ntfs
[10:22] <dope> and i'm in the exports file and i'm supposed to put an ip in for computers that can access it but my ip will always be changing
[10:22] <Minataku> underdog5004: And I'm an EXPERIENCED Linux user
[10:22] <Minataku> lol
[10:22] <genii> dope So put instead *
[10:22] <dope> that's dangerous isn't it?
[10:22] <Minataku> I just don't like the hassle of vi and espeically emacs
[10:22] <HymnToLife> YumeGettingGeeki, it logi-Ubuntu.png in the current dir ?
[10:22] <Soul^Shadow> dangerous how?
[10:22] <underdog5004> did anyone notice that in edgy, for the help page in /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork , none of the links work?
[10:22] <HymnToLife> logo*
[10:22] <genii> dope Well, if it will be on a range then put like <IP_ADDRESS>/24 or so
[10:22] <Soul^Shadow> linux dont got ports open unless needed & there even guarded
[10:22] <Soul^Shadow> Linux = GOD like
[10:23] <Fred_G> genii- ok...tell me how..sorry..
[10:23] <underdog5004> root == god like
[10:23] <Minataku> In any case, I apologize again if I upset and/or offended anyone
[10:23] <YumeGettingGeeki> hymntolife: yes
[10:23] <dope> it won't be cause i'll be in different locations
[10:23] <Minataku> I need a drink and a snack
[10:23] <Minataku> XD
[10:23] <underdog5004> Minataku, nope, just some friendly rivalry, I think
[10:23] <underdog5004> no hard feelings...on my end, anyway
[10:23] <underdog5004> hee hee
[10:23] <Minataku> underdog5004: None here, either
[10:23] <Minataku> lol
[10:23] <YumeGettingGeeki> maybe im writing the target directory wrong?
[10:23] <Soul^Shadow> nah min pick on me, I show how done
[10:23] <genii> dope Then * or else figure a way to hopscotch in
[10:23] <HymnToLife> YumeGettingGeeki, and does /ubuntu/home/Images exist ? it seems weird to me
[10:23] <underdog5004> I love this place.
[10:23] <Soul^Shadow> bad grammer just to erritate :)
[10:23] <dope> craps
[10:23] <Minataku> It's just that old minefield called the "editor wars"
[10:24] <underdog5004> erritate?
[10:24] <Minataku> XD
[10:24] <Soul^Shadow> I know :)
[10:24] <underdog5004> Minataku, yeah...walked right into it...
[10:24] <YumeGettingGeeki> how about i try ls /ubuntu/home/Images
[10:24] <Minataku> Same here XD
[10:24] <YumeGettingGeeki> it should work if it exists right?
[10:24] <HymnToLife> yes
[10:24] <genii> Fred_G: OK, in konsole type in: sudo fdisk /dev/hda    then after that, put "p"  to print the partition table. Then copy that and paste it to the pastebin website. You can exit fdisk by "q"
[10:25] <Soul^Shadow> u want images just search HD for em png jpg fig format :)
[10:25] <Minataku> Anyway, I'ma go mix myself up a drink (non-alcoholic) XD
[10:25] <YumeGettingGeeki> guess im making a mistake in the target directory
[10:25] <YumeGettingGeeki> lol, lemme cheat and see whats in the gui
[10:25] <LeeJunFan> Riddell did a darn good job packaging up the new KDE, normally with it not being very tested there's a few boogs, but 3.5.6 hasn't shown me a single one yet.
[10:26] <Soul^Shadow> ANYWAY can anyone awnser me?? Nessus needs to connect says it cant, how do I connect it to run network scans?
[10:26] <YumeGettingGeeki> hymntolife: got it
[10:26] <YumeGettingGeeki> hymntolife: it was hom/ubutu/.. and not ubuntu/home/...
[10:27] <Fred_G> genii - http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3150/
[10:27] <HymnToLife> YumeGettingGeeki, you can use Tab-completion for this
[10:27] <genii> Fred_G: OK, reading
[10:27] <underdog5004> Minataku, lol, don't mention drinks around me
[10:27] <HymnToLife> if it doesn't complete, it means whay you were expecting doesn't exist
[10:27] <Soul^Shadow> NOBODY here knows nessus?
[10:27] <YumeGettingGeeki> hymntolife: ah icic
[10:27] <HymnToLife> what*
[10:27] <underdog5004> Soul^Shadow, no
[10:28] <YumeGettingGeeki> hymntolife: Argh! permission denied ><
[10:28] <underdog5004> YumeGettingGeeki, sudo
[10:28] <YumeGettingGeeki> hymntolife: but at least i know now i got the command right this time
[10:28] <YumeGettingGeeki> k
[10:28] <HymnToLife> what is the current dir ?
[10:28] <genii> Fred_G: You have quite a few partitions there. I need now to see the contents of the file /etc/fstab  to see which the system is actually using. Please pastebin this also
[10:28] <YumeGettingGeeki> WOOT!
[10:28] <YumeGettingGeeki> I worked! I moved a file!
[10:29] <YumeGettingGeeki> Neo eat your heart out xD
[10:29] <genii> Fred_G: Also, this is the only operating system you will be using on this drive?
[10:29] <dale> yume, you generally shouldnt be using sudo to copy files
[10:29] <YumeGettingGeeki> Dog, hymn, maina thank you guys
[10:29] <YumeGettingGeeki> dale: :o
[10:29] <genii> dale To put anything outside of /home/user you need sudo
[10:29] <YumeGettingGeeki> dale: any idea how i could fix that?
[10:30] <YumeGettingGeeki> oic
[10:30] <Soul^Shadow> know a good chan that can help? im on chan nobody home :P
[10:30] <HymnToLife> YumeGettingGeeki, where was the file located before you moved it ?
[10:30] <dale> genii, so user cant own any files outside /home/user ?
[10:30] <YumeGettingGeeki> /home/ubuntu/Examples
[10:30] <genii> dale correct
[10:31] <HymnToLife> YumeGettingGeeki, that settles it
[10:31] <genii> dale Unless root chown its
[10:31] <HymnToLife> ~/Examples is just a symlink to someplace else
[10:31] <dale> yume, I like using my /opt folder for installing things from, and /var / tmp for writing log files
[10:31] <HymnToLife> so you normally can't put or delete files in it
[10:31] <dale> so I guess in ubuntu ill be chowning them
[10:32] <Fred_G> genii - http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3152/
[10:32] <genii> Fred_G: Thanks, reading
[10:32] <YumeGettingGeeki> dale: oh oic, im not familiar with most terms but chowning is like overriding a rule?
[10:32] <Minataku> CHange OWNership
[10:33] <YumeGettingGeeki> ah ic
[10:33] <dale> yume, every file / folder has an owner, a group, and permission that define who can do what with the file
[10:33] <YumeGettingGeeki> oh thats where th read write execute rights come in
[10:33] <Minataku> Bingo
[10:33] <dale> chown changes ownership, chmod changes permissions, chgrp changes group
[10:34] <YumeGettingGeeki> so when you chown you basically set all rights to the account your are logged into
[10:34] <Minataku> Except chown can be used to change owner AND group
[10:34] <HymnToLife> yep
[10:34] <genii> Fred_G: Also, this is the only operating system you will be using on this drive?
[10:34] <YumeGettingGeeki> and they dont ask for sudo since you are the authorized group / person
[10:34] <dale> yup
[10:34] <me__> does anyone know how to unrar a multy part rar file
[10:34] <Minataku> Right, sudo make the command run as root, aka the superuser
[10:34] <YumeGettingGeeki> *feels smart*
[10:34] <Minataku> Who overrides everything
[10:35] <YumeGettingGeeki> but i only have 1 user
[10:35] <Minataku> Technically, you have two
[10:35] <HymnToLife> me__, unrar the first pied, it should automagically unrar the whole archive
[10:35] <Minataku> root and whoever you are
[10:35] <YumeGettingGeeki> oh the root and my own
[10:35] <HymnToLife> YumeGettingGeeki, no, you have far more than one
[10:35] <Minataku> And you don't do everything as root
[10:35] <HymnToLife> YumeGettingGeeki, just do      less /etc/passwd
[10:35] <dale> so its probably safer to have user permisions and ownership of a directory that you want to copy to than sudo everything
[10:35] <Minataku> That's how Windows works and consequently how spyware/adware works
[10:36] <Minataku> dale: No, it's not safer
[10:36] <Minataku> It's more convienent but definitely not safer
[10:36] <distro-tester> hello everyone
[10:36] <YumeGettingGeeki> wait the file i moved wasnt one i made myself, but if i move one i made myself, the sudo isnt necessary anymore right?
[10:36] <Fred_G> genii- I am setting up a dual boot..Ubuntu and Kubuntu..alreadt both installed..I just have this 40GB block I want to add to the Ubuntu
[10:36] <distro-tester> is iptables installed by defoult in kubuntu ?
[10:36] <dale> thanks for the help anyway, heading now
[10:37] <me__> ok ty i think its another problem which causes my error then
[10:37] <Minataku> !iptables
[10:37] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[10:37] <Minataku> I guess it does
[10:37] <Minataku> lol
[10:37] <distro-tester> so as im running firestarter i have it then perfect
[10:37] <YumeGettingGeeki> :)
[10:37] <HymnToLife> YumeGettingGeeki, who created the file doesn't matter
[10:37] <distro-tester> minataku im not able alone to install flash player 9 and java can u help me?
[10:37] <HymnToLife> it's who _owns_ the file that matters
[10:37] <YumeGettingGeeki> Argh
[10:37] <Minataku> distro-tester: Flash Player 9, yes
[10:37] <Minataku> Java no
[10:37] <YumeGettingGeeki> ahh okay
[10:37] <E_mE> evening all
[10:37] <distro-tester> ok thanx
[10:38] <Minataku> First, get the tarball for Flash Player 9
[10:38] <HymnToLife> by default, the owner is the user who created the file
[10:38] <HymnToLife> but it can be changed
[10:38] <distro-tester> ok
[10:38] <YumeGettingGeeki> so thats why dale chowned his files
[10:38] <distro-tester> i advise u im first times on linux but i think whit your help will make it
[10:38] <distro-tester> brb taking the tar
[10:38] <Minataku> k
[10:38] <genii> Fred_G So on the partition hda1 which is mounted to currently /media/hda1   is where the second install is?
[10:38] <Minataku> After that, untar it somewhere, "tar xvf nameoftarball.tar.gz"
[10:39] <genii> (or first install if you prefer)
[10:39] <Minataku> It should produce a directory with some stuff in it including something that says "installflashwhatever"
[10:39] <Minataku> sudo ./thatthing.sh
[10:39] <distro-tester> ok wait i got in on desktop now?
[10:39] <distro-tester> as i said 1 times on linux i know 0
[10:40] <Minataku> Oi, right, in which case my help probably WON'T get you anywhere
[10:40] <distro-tester> well if u speak easy i can make it
[10:40] <Minataku> Let me think
[10:40] <Minataku> Open a terminal
[10:40] <distro-tester> do rpm distros as fedora install in click and run?
[10:40] <distro-tester> ok
[10:40] <Minataku> Type "ls" and tell me if there's a directory called "Desktop"
[10:40] <genii> Fred_G: As I uderstand: You have both ubuntu and kubuntu installed as a dual boot. You want to only use the one distribution all the time and erase or add the space the other one is using to that. Is this so?
[10:41] <distro-tester> no
[10:41] <Fred_G> genii- Ubuntu=hda1...Kubuntu on hda3? I think
[10:41] <distro-tester> o yes there is
[10:41] <distro-tester> desktop here it is
[10:41] <distro-tester> then?
[10:41] <Minataku> Is the tarball inside there?
[10:41] <YumeGettingGeeki> Woot i moved it back!
[10:41] <E_mE> how can i make an image non-transparent when incapulated inside a 60% transparent table??
[10:41] <distro-tester> just a file im getting whit ktorrent
[10:41] <distro-tester> but the tar in on desktop saved so
[10:42] <Minataku> Type "ls Desktop"
[10:42] <Fred_G> genii- I want to keep both....but add this free block to Ubuntu
[10:42] <genii> Fred_G Since you can use both the Gnome and the KDE from a single install, is best to just do single boot if no other operating systems on there and amalgamate all the other partitions to one partition. then format and mount it
[10:42] <Minataku> Tell me if the tarball is in there
[10:42] <distro-tester> firefox.desktop  install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz  konversation.desktop
[10:42] <distro-tester> there u go
[10:42] <Minataku> Okay
[10:43] <Minataku> "mkdir tmp"
[10:43] <distro-tester> eheh thanx for help
[10:43] <genii> Fred_G: You don't need a separate Ubuntu and Kubuntu install. You can install the KDE part from a regular install of Ubuntu and then use either one you like
[10:43] <Minataku> "mv Desktop/install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz tmp"
[10:43] <distro-tester> i have  to do  what now mkdir tmp?
[10:43] <Minataku> Yes, "mkdir tmp"
[10:43] <distro-tester> ok
[10:43] <Minataku> Then "mv Desktop/install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz tmp"
[10:44] <genii> Fred_G: The login screen will have the option to load the Gnome desktop or the KDE desktop
[10:44] <distro-tester> so i have to get root first?
[10:44] <Minataku> distro-tester: Not yet, just stay with me
[10:44] <distro-tester> ok
[10:44] <distro-tester> the mkd command dosen't work
[10:44] <Fred_G> genii - I just wated the "eye-candy showoff Beryl" stuff on a different distro from the Mint that I use for everyday
[10:44] <Minataku> What's the error?
[10:45] <Minataku> If it said nothing and just gave you the prompt again then it worked
[10:45] <distro-tester> kdir tmp
[10:45] <distro-tester> mkdir: cannot create directory `tmp': File exists
[10:45] <Minataku> Ah, my bad
[10:45] <Minataku> Try "mkdir temp"
[10:45] <distro-tester> ok
[10:45] <distro-tester> do rmp distros as fedora do it click and run the install whit zen?
[10:46] <distro-tester> just curius
[10:46] <distro-tester> or it's more hard here?
[10:46] <Minataku> At this time, will someone else please look and see where Kubuntu sticks the Firefox plugin directory? I'm gonna need that
[10:46] <distro-tester> it worked now said nothing
[10:46] <Minataku> Okay
[10:46] <Minataku> "mv Desktop/install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz temp"
[10:46] <distro-tester> copy paste?
[10:47] <genii> Fred_G: OK, so the block with the space is hda2 in this case. You can do   sudo mkfs.ext3 /dev/hda2      and then mount it somewhere
[10:47] <Minataku> Sure, if that's easier for you, you can also type a few letters then hit tab
[10:47] <Minataku> Like you would in the IRC client to autocomplete a nickname
[10:47] <distro-tester> done said nothing again
[10:47] <Minataku> The shell has that feature too
[10:47] <Minataku> "cd temp"
[10:47] <HymnToLife> Minataku, /usr/lib/firefox/plugins
[10:47] <Minataku> distro-tester: "tar xfz install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz"
[10:48] <distro-tester> ok done said nothing till now
[10:48] <Minataku> HymnToLife: Thanks
[10:48] <genii> Fred_G: To have it mounted every boot you need a fstab entry of course
[10:48] <Minataku> distro-tester: "tar xfz install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz" << Have you done this yet?
[10:48] <distro-tester> yes
[10:48] <distro-tester> says nothing everything i do
[10:48] <Minataku> Okay, there should be a new directory in there now
[10:48] <Minataku> cd to it
[10:48] <Minataku> Type "ls" to find out it's name if you have to
[10:48] <distro-tester> how u do that?
[10:49] <Fred_G> genii- think I'll just re-install both giving them the desired space..geezz
[10:49] <genii> eg:  /dev/hda2 /media/hda2     ext3    defaults
[10:49] <distro-tester> think it messed up dosen't work now
[10:49] <Minataku> Oh, it's "cd install_flash_player_9_linux"
[10:49] <Minataku> I forgot I kept all these files from when I installed it myself
[10:50] <genii> Fred_G: Well, that is also an option :) To save some space you can also only put 1 swap partition that both use
[10:50] <distro-tester> im doing everystep but nothing happens just copy pastes it to console
[10:50] <distro-tester> is that ok?
[10:50] <Minataku> Type "ls" and tell me what's there
[10:50] <Minataku> Or better
[10:50] <Minataku> Type "pwd" and tell me what it says
[10:50] <Fred_G> genii:THx
[10:51] <genii> Fred_G: Np
[10:51] <distro-tester> ls temp
[10:51] <distro-tester> install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz
[10:51] <JJikli> Hey guys.
[10:51] <distro-tester> there
[10:51] <JJikli> can anyone helpe me..
[10:51] <Minataku> distro-tester: Okay, then you didn't untar it
[10:51] <JJikli> I have 2 questions, basic level
[10:51] <Minataku> "tar xfz install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz"
[10:51] <Minataku> Type it without the "s
[10:51] <distro-tester> ok ill try again
[10:51] <YumeNoEien> jjikli im pretty new to but maybe i can help?
[10:52] <distro-tester> where is the s?
[10:52] <HymnToLife> !ask | JJikli
[10:52] <ubotu> JJikli: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[10:52] <Minataku> distro-tester: Okay, halt a sec
[10:52] <distro-tester> ok
[10:52] <Minataku> Type "pwd" and tell me what it says
[10:52] <JJikli> 1st. can I install Ubuntu on a machine with XP and can still use both the OS ??
[10:52] <JJikli> as in dual boot.
[10:52] <HymnToLife> JJikli, yes
[10:52] <YumeNoEien> jjikli: yes
[10:52] <genii> JJikli: Yes
[10:52] <distro-tester> do i have to put the  " when i copy paste minataku?
[10:53] <JJikli> so I go ahead and install ubuntu on my xp machine on a differtent partition and i am safe?
[10:53] <Minataku> No
[10:53] <Minataku> Leave those out
[10:53] <distro-tester> says nothing
[10:53] <HymnToLife> JJikli, yes
[10:53] <Minataku> I'm using them to set aside the commands
[10:53] <JJikli> thanks.
[10:53] <Minataku> distro-tester: Then something is wrong
[10:53] <distro-tester> home and my user name says that's all
[10:53] <genii> JJikli: Exactly. so long as XP has not hogged the entire drive
[10:53] <YumeNoEien> :p
[10:53] <Minataku> "pwd" is Print Working Directory
[10:53] <Minataku> distro-tester: Okay, so it did say something
[10:53] <HymnToLife> distro-tester, cd temp
[10:53] <Minataku> Type "cd temp"
[10:53] <JJikli> second, what is the optimum drive size that I should install ubuntu on. 1 gb? 2 gb? 5 gb??
[10:53] <Minataku> You told me you did that when you didn't
[10:54] <YumeNoEien> i have another CLI question if anyone has the time and patience :) how do i move multiple files in a single command?
[10:54] <Minataku> JJikli: More
[10:54] <malik> how do i check which version of flash i have installed in reality?
[10:54] <Minataku> YumeNoEien: Wildcards
[10:54] <distro-tester> ok ill try again
[10:54] <JJikli> Minataku, how much?
[10:54] <genii> JJikli: You need minimum of about 4G anything over that is fine. Also for swap size twice your amount of RAM is good
[10:54] <underdog5004> JJikli, I would make a / partition 10Gb, a swap, and then a /home partition with the rest
[10:54] <Minataku> distro-tester: Type "cd temp" then "pwd" and paste me back what it says
[10:54] <HymnToLife> YumeNoEien, mv file1 file2 file3 ... /path/to/destination/dir
[10:54] <distro-tester> ok
[10:54] <Minataku> Or that, if wildcards aren't practical
[10:54] <underdog5004> I love the CLI
[10:54] <JJikli> oh thanks a lot guys.
[10:54] <YumeNoEien> its some 20 .ogg files
[10:55] <Minataku> But if it's actually "file1 file2 file3" like that, "file*" gets them all
[10:55] <JJikli> I think I will install it on a 4 gb for now..
[10:55] <Minataku> YumeNoEien: "*.ogg* then
[10:55] <YumeNoEien> so i can just do *.ogg
[10:55] <Minataku> Er
[10:55] <underdog5004> or *.ogg
[10:55] <underdog5004> lol
[10:55] <Minataku> YumeNoEien: "*.ogg" then
[10:55] <Minataku> lol
[10:55] <HymnToLife> YumeNoEien, then mv *.ogg /some/dir
[10:55] <JJikli> God Bless Irc, Ubuntu, and You all.
[10:55] <YumeNoEien> cool :)
[10:55] <JJikli> Cheers.
[10:55] <distro-tester> zen@USER:~$ cd temp
[10:55] <distro-tester> zen@USER:~/temp$ pwd
[10:55] <distro-tester> /home/zen/temp
[10:55] <distro-tester> zen@USER:~/temp$
[10:55] <malik> how do i check which version of flash i have installed in reality?
[10:55] <Minataku> distro-tester: Good
[10:55] <Minataku> Now
[10:55] <distro-tester> is it dangerous my user name pastes out to?
[10:55] <HymnToLife> distro-tester, tar xzvf *.tar.gz
[10:55] <underdog5004> malik
[10:55] <YumeNoEien> thanks again for both your help :)
[10:55] <underdog5004> malik, in firefox, type about:plugins in the address bar
[10:55] <HymnToLife> @lart Minataku
[10:56] <genii> HymnToLife: What if he has some other tar.gz there??
[10:56] <underdog5004> distro-tester, not really
[10:56] <HymnToLife> genii, he doesn't
[10:56] <HymnToLife> as he just created the dir
[10:56] <Minataku> HymnToLife: Don't punk my kills, b?tch ;3
[10:56] <underdog5004> still, not good practice...
[10:56] <Minataku> XD
[10:56] <genii> Still, good practice to go like tar xvzf someuniquestartstring*.tar.gz
[10:56] <distro-tester> install_flash_player_9_linux/
[10:56] <distro-tester> install_flash_player_9_linux/Readme.txt
[10:56] <distro-tester> install_flash_player_9_linux/flashplayer-installer
[10:56] <distro-tester> install_flash_player_9_linux/libflashplayer.so
[10:56] <distro-tester> install_flash_player_9_linux/flashplayer.xpt
[10:56] <distro-tester> ok?
[10:56] <Minataku> Yes
[10:56] <distro-tester> thanx
[10:56] <underdog5004> !pastebin | distro-tester
[10:56] <ubotu> distro-tester: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[10:57] <Minataku> cd to that directory
[10:57] <distro-tester> ok how?
[10:57] <Minataku> "cd install_flash_player_9_linux"
[10:57] <underdog5004> cd /path/to/dir
[10:57] <distro-tester> btw u really save new users thanx comunity
[10:57] <HymnToLife> distro-tester, cd ins<tab>
[10:57] <Minataku> cd means Change Directory
[10:58] <distro-tester> cd install_flash_player_9_linux i copy pasted that
[10:58] <Minataku> It's all very intuitive once you get over the "OMG WHERE ARE THE ICONS" feeling
[10:58] <distro-tester> yes neads time
[10:58] <underdog5004> Minataku, kudos for that last one!
[10:58] <Minataku> distro-tester: Now, sudo ./flashplayer-installer
[10:58] <Minataku> underdog5004: Thanks ^^
[10:58] <distro-tester> even if rpm distros are more easy couse the click and run 99% we can count on the comunity help
[10:58] <distro-tester> sudo ./flashplayer-installer ok i copy paste this
[10:58] <Minataku> distro-tester: And I don't think Kubuntu has Flash Player 9 in a package yet
[10:58] <underdog5004> I find that when I'm in a CLI, I have to use my mind more to keep everything straight...a sort of virtual directory tree in my mind
[10:59] <HymnToLife> Minataku, yes it does
[10:59] <HymnToLife> !flash9
[10:59] <ubotu> Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[10:59] <distro-tester> ERROR: Your architecture, \'x86_64\', is not supported by the
[10:59] <distro-tester>        Adobe Flash Player installer.
[10:59] <distro-tester> wow
[10:59] <Minataku> Uh oh
[10:59] <Minataku> lol
[10:59] <underdog5004> you're screwed
[10:59] <distro-tester> and now?
[10:59] <Minataku> Sorry, pal, we're bust
[10:59] <underdog5004> chroot
[10:59] <underdog5004> !chroot
[10:59] <ubotu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot use this to build 32 bit environments on a 64 bit box
[10:59] <distro-tester> jesus here comes the hard side
[10:59] <underdog5004> except you can't compile flash...whoops
[10:59] <Minataku> distro-tester: Not gonna work on x86-64 >.<
[10:59] <malik> it just came as update"flashplugin-nonfree" version 9.0.r31
[10:59] <Theus> hi
[10:59] <Minataku> distro-tester: cd ~
[10:59] <Minataku> Do that
[11:00] <distro-tester> so i can't see stuff on web have to get back to xp ?
[11:00] <distro-tester> or there is a solution?
[11:00] <HymnToLife> Minataku, cd == cd ~ :)
[11:00] <underdog5004> weird... ~ and ~/ both go to my /home
[11:00] <Minataku> HymnToLife: My way teaches them better
[11:00] <distro-tester> does this mean i can't use linux minataku ?
[11:00] <Minataku> underdog5004: That's because ~ is short for /home/username
[11:00] <Minataku> distro-tester: You're using Linux right now
[11:01] <HymnToLife> distro-tester, no, it means you'll have a hard time using Flash
[11:01] <Minataku> You'll have to bother Adobe about it
[11:01] <distro-tester> yes but if i can't install flash i will loose every cool stuff on the web how do it do?
[11:01] <HymnToLife> !flash
[11:01] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:01] <ubotu> Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[11:01] <Minataku> distro-tester: Send Adobe a very nasty email about it
[11:01] <distro-tester> like nearly everything on web uses java and flash im ruined like this
[11:01] <Minataku> XD
[11:01] <underdog5004> distro-tester, or just install the 32 bit version
[11:01] <Minataku> I don't know why there wouldn't be a Flash Player 9 for x64
[11:02] <underdog5004> or linux
[11:02] <underdog5004> Minataku, not too many 64-bit versions of anything out there
[11:02] <Minataku> But yeah, x64 is really just a crock right now
[11:02] <distro-tester> ok will it ruin my pc 32 version or it's identic?
[11:02] <Minataku> It's fine
[11:02] <distro-tester> perfect
[11:02] <Minataku> x64 chips can run x86 OSes
[11:02] <distro-tester> if u link me it we can install it and thanx for help
[11:02] <distro-tester> im amd 3000
[11:03] <Minataku> And you'll have a much happier time with an x86 OS anyway, even on an x64 chip
[11:03] <distro-tester> that's fine important i can use web as on xp and cam to
[11:03] <tone_> escaner epson 3170
[11:03] <distro-tester> later i tell u what impressed me over all installing firestarter i noticed a thing
[11:04] <macpheec> Hey folks...anyone have a clue why switching between an LCD and CRT would make my CRT have "sawtoothed" images at times?
[11:04] <Minataku> macpheec: Check the connections/cables
[11:04] <distro-tester> every 5 sec m$ runs a non windows os an attack trying to spy em that is the shoking reality i discoverd now on linux
[11:04] <Minataku> distro-tester: Indeed
[11:04] <distro-tester> immagine what we could of had using xp ahah
[11:04] <tone_> escaner 3170 ayuda comfiguracion en kubuntu
[11:04] <Minataku> !es | tone_
[11:04] <ubotu> tone_: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[11:04] <malik> oki well adept tells me that flash is installed but while it was installing it said in verbose mode plugin not installed but adept says it installed n also in plugins section in FF it says its installed.............what do i do?
[11:05] <Minataku> malik: If FF says it's installed it's installed
[11:05] <Minataku> Period. :3
[11:05] <distro-tester> well this new reality has real positive sides even if u remain shoked for how naive we where before on xp
[11:05] <macpheec> Minatuka - Cables are a bit worn (harsh bend), but if I leave the machine alone, after 30 minutes or so, it eventually straightens itself.
[11:05] <Minataku> macpheec: Could be the video card is dodgy
[11:05] <Minataku> At least the CRT output part
[11:05] <Minataku> How old is the card?
[11:05] <distro-tester> ok mina can u link me the 32 bit version so we solve this ?
[11:06] <distro-tester> then i will see what i can do to install java hope adept has last version
[11:06] <Soul^Shadow> I hate ppl
[11:06] <Minataku> distro-tester: Get the x86 or i386 or i686 version of Kubuntu
[11:06] <macpheec> Both are coming off the same RGB input...laptop is ~1.5y old.
[11:06] <Minataku> macpheec: Hm... that is weird
[11:06] <TheHermit> Help....How to add beryl to the session or make it the defualt manager
[11:06] <distro-tester> ok i download 32 bit version of flash and brb
[11:06] <Minataku> Perhaps the video card is just a bit dodgy
[11:06] <Soul^Shadow> running nessus but get errror  on connect
[11:06] <nagyv> !beryl
[11:06] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[11:07] <gonzalo> !upgrade
[11:07] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[11:07] <distro-tester> do i have to take 7 ?
[11:07] <Minataku> Soul^Shadow: Try #nessus for questions about Nessus
[11:07] <macpheec> Minataku - It is.  Especially since it cycles.  Would frequency troubles do dat?
[11:07] <distro-tester> or 9
[11:07] <Soul^Shadow> Nobody there
[11:07] <Minataku> distro-tester: No, no, install the 32bit version of Kunbuntu
[11:07] <Minataku> *Kubuntu
[11:07] <Soul^Shadow> this why I ignore poptarts
[11:07] <distro-tester> o
[11:07] <Minataku> Soul^Shadow: Well nobody in here knows Nessus so asking every 5 minutes isn't gonna help
[11:08] <Soul^Shadow> I been gon half hour poptart IGNORING 1 NOOB
[11:08] <me__> hi
[11:08] <distro-tester> o i got what u said now that 64 bit version of kubuntu ubuntu  will give me problems couse many programs are still not ready for it as flash and so on right?
[11:09] <distro-tester> but it's the fault of others not linux
[11:09] <distro-tester> is this what u trying to say minataku?
[11:10] <underdog5004> distro-tester, right
[11:10] <distro-tester> it's sad we can't be 64 bit do
[11:10] <underdog5004> distro-tester, the os is fully 64-bit...but drivers/programs/etc aren't
[11:10] <distro-tester> but ok
[11:10] <distro-tester> i know
[11:11] <distro-tester> sadely
[11:11] <distro-tester> now
[11:11] <underdog5004> ride the split
[11:11] <distro-tester> i run 6.10 is it stable or i must take 6,06 underdog of kubuntu?
[11:11] <underdog5004> 6.10 is stable
[11:11] <Soul^Shadow> im having connection issue
[11:11] <underdog5004> for me
[11:11] <underdog5004> everyone is
[11:12] <underdog5004> ride the split, babt'
[11:12] <underdog5004> baby
[11:12] <HymnToLife> !netsplit
[11:12] <ubotu> netsplit is when two IRC servers of the same network (like Freenode) disconnect from each other, so users on one server stop seeing users on the other. If this is happening now, just relax and enjoy the show. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit
[11:12] <HymnToLife> s/an/han
[11:12] <underdog5004> HymnToLife, lol, enjoy the show
[11:13] <HymnToLife> I could even have done s/a/ha
[11:13] <underdog5004> ok, who's here?
[11:13] <underdog5004> I am
[11:13] <distro-tester> im here
[11:13] <underdog5004> here we go...they're coming back
[11:14] <distro-tester> so u got 64 bit to dog and have to run 32 as me?
[11:14] <underdog5004> distro-tester, nope, just read about all the problems...
[11:14] <underdog5004> XP_64 has the same issues
[11:14] <Minataku> Okay, now I _KNOW_ this had to have finished by now
[11:14] <underdog5004> If you can't install 64 bit progs on your machine, what's the point of a 64-bit os?
[11:15] <Kefkachu> My only 64bit machine is a Sun Ultra 5
[11:15] <Kefkachu> lol
[11:15] <distro-tester> your right
[11:15] <underdog5004> Kefkachu, whoa
[11:15] <underdog5004> server?
[11:15] <Kefkachu> Workstation
[11:15] <underdog5004> oh
[11:15] <distro-tester> u see how they keep linux behind or this happens to windows to couse 64 bit is not ready for all os yet?
[11:16] <Kubuntu|slave> as I said connection issues
[11:16] <distro-tester> does vista or xp 64 bit have same problems as us now?
[11:16] <Kefkachu> I'd have to look up my password so it's lazier for me to just wait for Minataku to ping out
[11:16] <Kefkachu> lol
[11:16] <Kubuntu|slave> u got new vista or old beta 2?
[11:17] <distro-tester> who?
[11:17] <Kubuntu|slave> u, Microsoft = problems
[11:17] <Kubuntu|slave> :P
[11:18] <distro-tester> no
[11:18] <distro-tester> i was asking if windows had same problems whit us on 64 bit os to find programs as linux
[11:18] <distro-tester> ?
[11:18] <Kubuntu|slave> I replied anything microsoft = problems :P
[11:18] <underdog5004> I believe so
[11:19] <Kubuntu|slave> I got vista beta 2 sucks
[11:19] <Kubuntu|slave> 32 7 64 bit horrible
[11:19] <Kubuntu|slave> &*
[11:19] <underdog5004> lol, my boss likes vista...I don't know why...such a resource hog
[11:19] <distro-tester> vista = virus intruders trojans adware
[11:19] <Kubuntu|slave> is your boss a dee dee dee :P
[11:19] <underdog5004> nice
[11:19] <underdog5004> lol
[11:20] <distro-tester> plus it's a copy of mac tiger os x
[11:20] <Kubuntu|slave> all windows have spyware :P
[11:20] <distro-tester> a bad one even
[11:20] <Kubuntu|slave> alexia 7 several others
[11:20] <Kubuntu|slave> &*
[11:20] <underdog5004> not really...I got him to install edgy on his lappy, and we're selling computers w/ linux now as well...
[11:20] <underdog5004> or at least offer the choice
[11:20] <underdog5004> we also have a stack of CD-R's w/ edgy that people can purchase for the cost of the cd...pretty sweet!
[11:20] <distro-tester> what i loose if i go 32 underdog just a bit of speed vs 64 im now ?
[11:21] <juano__> how do i use the & ampersand in konsole, i need to get into a dir with that symbol and it takes it for a command
[11:21] <distro-tester> that respect to xp it's still a ferrari and super stable
[11:21] <underdog5004> distro-tester, I think a bit of speed, but you will gain a bunch of functionality
[11:21] <Kubuntu|slave> he sing new vista? bill gates offers free upgrade, ("UNBELIVABLE HUH")
[11:21] <underdog5004> juano__, probably a code ie %32
[11:21] <Kubuntu|slave> using*
[11:21] <distro-tester> and i won't notice it as im used to xp heeh
[11:21] <underdog5004> or something...I know %20 is a space
[11:21] <distro-tester> a snail
[11:21] <juano__> underdog5004: ok , thanks!
[11:22] <underdog5004> juano__, no %32 is not the code!
[11:22] <Kubuntu|slave> if you use XP sp3 its not too bad
[11:22] <underdog5004> ya gotta look around for it...
[11:22] <juano__> underdog5004: ok
[11:22] <underdog5004> Kubuntu|slave, uh...xp sp3 isn't out yet...
[11:22] <distro-tester> they told me this every 5 seconds attacks by m$ servers and ip's are normal once u move to linux u see what u had on pc using xp we lucky to have firestarter
[11:22] <Kubuntu|slave> yes it is im using iton my pc's
[11:22] <Kubuntu|slave> its a mod :)
[11:23] <Kubuntu|slave> its on isohunt
[11:23] <distro-tester> i even get attacks every 5 sec from endonkey servers and samba what does that mean?
[11:24] <underdog5004> distro-tester, wait...attacks from MS machines? I think firestarter is misinterpreting something
[11:24] <distro-tester> yes like dcom
[11:24] <underdog5004> Kubuntu|slave, oh, not the official one...gotcha...
[11:24] <juano__> anyone know what the %NUM for ampersand is?
[11:24] <distro-tester> ms sql
[11:24] <underdog5004> Kubuntu|slave, what do you gain?
[11:24] <duns> Hello All - I'm new to Linux and was wondering if someone could give me some advice (help) on installing Firefox
[11:25] <underdog5004> duns
[11:25] <underdog5004> I gotcha
[11:25] <underdog5004> duns, open up a Konsole
[11:25] <malik> duns: are u using kubuntu?
[11:25] <duns> yes
[11:25] <duns> Underdog its done
[11:25] <underdog5004> duns, open up a konsole (command line prompt) and type sudo apt-get install firefox
[11:25] <tamacracka> Hey guys? Does anyone know if there's a Youtube video ripper for linux?
[11:25] <duns> (opened)
[11:25] <distro-tester> ms sql -s  samba and docm are the one i get over all every 5 seconds and endonkey
[11:26] <distro-tester> all tcp
[11:26] <underdog5004> tamacracka, there is a plugin for firefox that'll work
[11:26] <tamacracka> sweet
[11:26] <tamacracka> do you happen to know the name of it?
[11:26] <distro-tester> what u think of that dog?
[11:26] <underdog5004> videodownloader I think
[11:26] <genii> mozilla-firefox
[11:26] <underdog5004> distro-tester, I don't know
[11:26] <tamacracka> you're awesome underdog5004!!!
[11:26] <underdog5004> genii, oh really? my bad
[11:26] <underdog5004> duns, sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[11:27] <underdog5004> genii, firefox works too
[11:27] <distro-tester> but i seen forums it's m$ pc who are % zombi pc's or worms trojans that send attacks or them trying to spy u i think
[11:27] <distro-tester> servers to
[11:27] <distro-tester> couse 99% of ip's come from uncle bill pc's
[11:28] <duns> Underdog you rock thanks!
[11:28] <distro-tester> he's cool where u from underdog?
[11:28] <duns> I didn't type in Mozilla but it still located it
[11:29] <distro-tester> duns do u get many attacks to from m$ pc and servers and endokey samba?
[11:29] <distro-tester> endonkey*
[11:30] <distro-tester> !pastebin
[11:30] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:31] <jordo23> Were there a lot of KDE updates today or something?  My adept updater is showing a ton of them...
[11:32] <duns> Distro what the hell do you mean?
[11:32] <genii> Yeah see the topic for this channel about new KDE
[11:32] <jordo23> genii: Oh....cool.....new KDe.....
[11:33] <jordo23> genii: Any notable changes?
[11:33] <Minataku> Ew, new KDE XD j/k
[11:33] <genii> jordo23 None that I've noticed :)
[11:34] <avenger_> nabend allerseits
[11:34] <Minataku> !de | avenger_
[11:34] <ubotu> avenger_: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[11:34] <nitro4ce> is firefox able to use gtk-qt engine? because i have it installed but it still looks ugly.. (boxy buttons, not the kde theme buttons)
[11:35] <distro-tester> ok i will download 32 bit version then mina lucky im fast so il 50 min it's ready
[11:35] <distro-tester> how u install wine as adept dosen't have it?
[11:35] <jordo23> genii: Ok....thanks.....thought something was wrong with ADEPT....
[11:35] <nitro4ce> when i installed gtk-qt engines, other programs like gimp were fixed, but not firefox..
[11:36] <nitro4ce> am i missing any package?
[11:36] <distro-tester> any one knows how ti install wine i can't find it in adept
[11:36] <Kubuntu|slave> d/l it
[11:37] <Kubuntu|slave> then install it  :P
[11:37] <Minataku> !wine
[11:37] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[11:37] <nitro4ce> distro-tester: modify your sources.list
[11:37] <Minataku> Just read that page
[11:37] <Minataku> That's what it's there for XD
[11:37] <nitro4ce> when i installed gtk-qt engines, other programs like gimp were fixed, but not firefox..
[11:37] <distro-tester> u must teach me how to backup to minataky so i don't nead reinstall if i crash adept as last times
[11:38] <distro-tester> how u back up programs?
[11:38] <distro-tester> i found keep but don't know how to use it
[11:38] <Minataku> m
[11:38] <Minataku> Hm
[11:38] <Minataku> !backup
[11:38] <ubotu> There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[11:38] <Minataku> Yay!
[11:38] <distro-tester> ok thanx
[11:39] <Minataku> As many times as I've been bit by explosions, I still don't back things up >.<
[11:39] <nitro4ce> is firefox able to use gtk-qt engine? because i have it installed but it still looks ugly.. (boxy buttons, not the kde theme buttons)
[11:39] <genii> !bacula
[11:39] <ubotu> bacula: Network backup, recovery and verification (Meta-package). In component universe, is optional. Version 1.38.11-5ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 48 kB, installed size 84 kB
[11:39] <distro-tester> tell me how ofthen u get attacks minataku i mean what firestarter reports so we can compare mines
[11:40] <distro-tester> im curius to see if every one is under attack as forums says by m$
[11:40] <Minataku> Attacked? Constant benign hits from wherever
[11:40] <Minataku> Nothing ever serious
[11:40] <Minataku> Just various internet noise
[11:40] <Minataku> I've only been DDoSed once
[11:40] <distro-tester> yes that firestarter turns red i mine every 5 sec
[11:41] <Minataku> Yeah, it's probably just noise
[11:41] <Minataku> I wouldn't worry about any of it
[11:41] <Minataku> Especially not when you have a Linux machine
[11:41] <distro-tester> this are my attackers samba smb ms sql s docm scm edonkey no just curius
[11:41] <distro-tester> i don't worry
[11:41] <Minataku> Remember, you're driving a tank on the internet now, not a cardboard box with armor duct-taped to it
[11:41] <distro-tester> heeh
[11:42] <distro-tester> right
[11:42] <distro-tester> even if mac is more secure on charts and bsd wins it all but we are very secure still
[11:42] <Minataku> And that armor is only if you're running a REAL firewall
[11:42] <Minataku> Not the lousy Windows one
[11:42] <distro-tester> firestarter
[11:42] <distro-tester> i love it
[11:43] <Minataku> Piyoko has no firewall, the router takes care of that capability anyway
[11:43] <distro-tester> but u see u can secure windows has much u want and put this and that on it when 99% of people who make windoes os and are the one who make bugs and infections hacks for it says it all
[11:43] <distro-tester> ehehe
[11:43] <Hoxxin_> so should be afraid if i run linux and i have a modem bridged?
[11:43] <distro-tester> bridged means?
[11:44] <Minataku> I gotta go, time for food
[11:44] <distro-tester> later
[11:44] <distro-tester> what does that means Hoxxin?
[11:44] <blanky> hey guys
[11:44] <Hoxxin_> i mean the traffic goes straight through, otherwise the modem has one ip and computer another right?
[11:45] <blanky> my friend has mp3 support installed and all (even lame), but he goes to try and burn mp3s to an audio cd and k3b says it's an incompatible format, what should he do? he's new to linux, I installed it for him just yesterday
[11:46] <distro-tester> im not espert on that are u 56 k?
[11:46] <Hoxxin_> distro-tester no adsl
[11:46] <distro-tester> then u should get a god router
[11:46] <Ash-Fox> Anyone happen to have a solution to my hardware prolem? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2070713
[11:46] <distro-tester> good*
[11:46] <distro-tester> even god
[11:46] <Hoxxin_> distro-tester ye a God router would be even better :P
[11:47] <distro-tester> blanky hold on no one here at moment to help u
[11:47] <distro-tester> hehe i advise u us robotics or d link makes good cheap ones
[11:47] <blanky> distro-tester: thanks
[11:47] <blanky> distro-tester: I fixed it, thanks
[11:47] <distro-tester> welcome
[11:47] <distro-tester> i love to be part of the ubuntu comunity
[11:47] <waylandbill> blanky. the cd is going to end up CD-Audio or mp3-cd?
[11:47] <hatta> or iptables
[11:47] <distro-tester> im a socialist ahah
[11:47] <blanky> waylandbill: cd audio, i got it though thanks
[11:48] <blanky> i just needed libk3b2-mp3
[11:48] <distro-tester> well iptables rus by defoult so u just nead to configure the gui firewall
[11:48] <Hoxxin_> distro-tester if i run windows on my adsl modem it takes about 2 secs and computer is stuffed with crap cause of the traffic getting right through, forgot to unplug one time during a win install :P
[11:48] <waylandbill> oh. ok.. cause you could've 2 stepped it ... to wav then to CD.
[11:48] <distro-tester> yes that's normal
[11:48] <waylandbill> good thing you got it tho.
[11:49] <distro-tester> u recive many uncontrolled packet data but a rounter whit a good built in firewall should solve that
[11:49] <Hoxxin_> distro-tester ye
[11:49] <distro-tester> router*
[11:49] <distro-tester> btw im nat so don't worry to much
[11:49] <distro-tester> plus i got firestarter use that to
[11:50] <waylandbill> distro-tester: never hurts to belt and suspenders with a software firewall.
[11:50] <Hoxxin_> ok
[11:50] <distro-tester> software fw for windows is trash couse it's made by same people who are one whit m$ to make u buy stuff
[11:50] <distro-tester> unless u get open source ones or hardware ones u not very safe
[11:50] <waylandbill> under win32 especially ... never know if something's going outbound unknown
[11:51] <darthdual> Anybody know of a good java IDE for linux
[11:51] <gabriel> hello
[11:51] <distro-tester> of course are u all ways root on windows
[11:51] <waylandbill> there's plenty of win32 OSS projects going lately it seems tho
[11:51] <user1> darthdual: have u tried Eclipse
[11:51] <waylandbill> distro-tester: you aren't always root unless you took it out of the box and used it that way.
[11:52] <darthdual> no not yet but is it known to be good
[11:52] <distro-tester> u see the 1 thing they try to hack u is the administrator password on windows
[11:52] <Hoxxin_> anyone of u heard/read of reactos then? u think it has a future??
[11:52] <darthdual> sable
[11:52] <darthdual> stable
[11:52] <distro-tester> yes way but it's not as on linux u can still be hacked easy even as user
[11:52] <user1> I use it
[11:52] <elyon225> I having a problem where every now and then when a user select End Session, it goes to shutdown instead, but hangs at a black screen... I need to do Ctrl-Alt-Delete to continue...  Any ideas?
[11:52] <distro-tester> btw tell me how can u be secure on a os that has over 60.000 bugs
[11:53] <distro-tester> ehehe
[11:53] <waylandbill> not limited one with the right rules in place.. so your kid has to ask you for the password to install something.. :-D
[11:53] <blanky> guys, k3b gave me an error "Cdrecord has no permission to open the device
[11:53] <blanky> : you may use K3bsetup2 to solve this problem
[11:53] <blanky> " when I tried to burn a CD, what should I do?
[11:53] <Hoxxin_> user1 u use reactos??
[11:53] <darthdual> Are you guys saying that as user I can hack root?
[11:53] <user1> Hoxxin_: no
[11:53] <Hoxxin_> user1 oh ok
[11:54] <distro-tester> i personaly advise to put xp one place unless u professional work whit it or are a gamer but a dubble partion will solve that the place is the trash bin
[11:54] <darthdual> How do you keep a user from hacking root?
[11:54] <distro-tester> for the rest linux is ready for home use
[11:54] <distro-tester> a good password 1 of all
[11:54] <elyon225> darthdual: Set a good password for yourself (the administrator)
[11:55] <darthdual> good meaning strong?
[11:55] <darthdual> combinatorially?
[11:55] <elyon225> darthdual: That would probably be the case :)
[11:55] <elyon225> darthdual: Huh? lol
[11:55] <distro-tester> yes u can find programs that make u strong passes darth
[11:55] <darthdual> math talk.
[11:55] <distro-tester> use a combination of letters and numbers
[11:55] <darthdual> ok,
[11:55] <distro-tester> and 8 lines long at least
[11:55] <elyon225> darthdual: The only person that can run root commands is the user you setup when installing.
[11:55] <darthdual> 8 lines?
[11:56] <elyon225> darthdual: I think he means characters.
[11:56] <distro-tester> btw even if they hack u they can't do the damage of xp on linux couse it has a different structure
[11:56] <waylandbill> darthdual: disable password and make a private-public key pair login.
[11:56] <darthdual> Are there any popular biometric solutions yet?
[11:56] <elyon225> darthdual: Use a combination also of lower- and upper-case letters.
[11:56] <waylandbill> just don't lose the private key unless you can access the box
[11:56] <Hoxxin_> distro-tester u play win games on linux?
[11:57] <LeeJunFan> Is it just me or is kopete's crypto plugin totally borked with 3.5.6?
[11:57] <YumeSleepy> Thank you for all your help everyone
[11:57] <YumeSleepy> I'm going to bed now
[11:57] <waylandbill> hard to crack a password if keyboard authentication is disabled remotely.
[11:57] <sparr> upgrading my kernel from 2.6.17 to 2.6.20 resulted in my promise IDE RAID controller's drives showing up as scsi disks instead of ide disks.  any tips on fixing that?
[11:57] <distro-tester> no only game i play is america's army but run on linux even if older version
[11:57] <darthdual> You know what would be great, if I could use some sort of voice recognition to log on.
[11:57] <YumeSleepy> and have pleasant dreams where windows is a small company with 10 employees and linux rules the world
[11:58] <stdin> sparr: that's normal, and intentional
[11:58] <Hoxxin_> distro-tester ok
[11:58] <distro-tester> but u can emulate games on linux whit wine or cadega but u must $ for it
[11:58] <distro-tester> u play games?
[11:58] <exel_> necesito ayuda
[11:58] <distro-tester> if your a gamer the best solution is dubble partion xp linux
[11:58] <sparr> stdin: its scary, and broke part of my fstab
[11:58] <exel_> ola, necesito ayuda
[11:59] <Hoxxin_> distro-tester wine is free and cedega is 5$/month or something ye
[11:59] <waylandbill> wine and cedega doesn't support DX9 though.
[11:59] <stdin> sparr: that's why the default is to use UUIDs now
[11:59] <exel_> alguien habla espaol
[11:59] <exel_>
[11:59] <sparr> stdin: i am using UUIDs
[11:59] <stdin> sparr: here's the background on it https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks
[11:59] <distro-tester> im new to linux so don't know what's dx9 but think dubble partion is the best for gamers
[11:59] <stdin> !es | exel_
[11:59] <ubotu> exel_: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[11:59] <Hoxxin_> distro-tester i have win on my gaming machine, if it wasnt for games id turn completely to linux
[12:00] <distro-tester> ok importat u don't use xp more then games do
[12:00] <waylandbill> distro-tester: DirectX 9... M$'s gaming interface.
[12:00] <distro-tester> or u loose to be secure 90%
[12:00] <distro-tester> o yes thanx
[12:00] <waylandbill> DX8 is mostly supported under those projects.
[12:00] <stdin> sparr: it was a bit strange for me when hda turned it to sda, but the guys at #ubuntu-devel explained it to me
[12:01] <distro-tester> yes linux is not for gamers for the rest can do all moast any thing and soon everthing now it's future compatible mac m$
[12:01] <Thehound666> almost setup the way I want but something I'm not clear on
[12:01] <waylandbill> what out though.. World of warcraft banned a bunch of clients for 'cheating' when they simply had a linux client.
[12:01] <waylandbill> s/what/watch
[12:01] <Thehound666> how do I get iptables config to survive reboots?
[12:01] <Thehound666> or power failures
[12:02] <distro-tester> problem of dx8 is that u can play old games only recent games run all 9x up
[12:02] <sparr> stdin: ok...  so now i need to repair my fstab (and i needed to add things anyways).  how do i get the UUIDs for all the drives?
[12:02] <Phlosten> Thehound666: one method is loading your iptables config from a scipt on boot
[12:02] <distro-tester> but a dubble partion won't arm u if your a gamer there's no best solution then that yet
[12:02] <Hoxxin_> distro-tester i think the day when it comes a program which is easy to start pc games and run them under linux is gonna be the dooms day for pc :D
[12:02] <Thehound666> WINE does support *some* DX9
[12:02] <Thehound666> more than I can say for VMWare
[12:02] <aegis> Hey, I think I screwed up my Linux installation... could anyone help?
[12:03] <stdin> sparr: just run blkid from konsole (it may need sudo)
[12:03] <Thehound666> I tried a script. Maybe did it wrong
[12:03] <Hirvinen> !asking | aegis
[12:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about asking - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:03] <aegis> I tried changing the monitor settings and it got all messed up
[12:03] <Thehound666> any chance of a sample paste and directory it goes in?
[12:03] <Hirvinen> !ask
[12:03] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[12:03] <Thehound666> I did etc/init'd
[12:03] <distro-tester> eheh i think that will never happen Hoxxin linux is not made to play but for compatible side it's not far now novell is whit m$
[12:03] <waylandbill> not that windows is amazing with gaming. consoles are blowing the pc away these days.
[12:03] <distro-tester> yes if u want to play best u get a ps3
[12:04] <Hoxxin_> distro-tester ye well...
[12:04] <Thehound666> I disagree with way but feel gaming is all Windows is good for
[12:04] <duns> pfft hell now Distro PS3  blow
[12:04] <distro-tester> console are so advanced now it's a waste to $ on video cards and play on pc
[12:04] <aegis> Well, I installed Kubuntu on a VM run from OS X... all was working fine until I tried to change the settings for my monitor
[12:04] <Phlosten> Thehound666: once you put it in /etc/init.d/ you need to tell your system when to run it. just trying to remember what that command is..
[12:04] <Thehound666> lol aegis is it VMWare?
[12:04] <aegis> It defaulted to 1024x768, which worked okay, but it was slightly blurry (native monitor resolution is 1280x800)
[12:04] <Hoxxin_> well im off to bed, nn
[12:04] <distro-tester> ps3 will be some thing never seen before it's all ready shocking the world so no nead of windows eheh
[12:04] <aegis> not VMWare, I used Parallels
[12:05] <Thehound666> ahh
[12:05] <Thehound666> thought maybe you tried the new mac VMWare
[12:05] <Thehound666> that's still beta
[12:05] <aegis> Anyways, I tried switching to the native resolution, but I think it switched to 1600x1200
[12:05] <distro-tester> i think thy will soon find a way to play pc games that don't go out on console soon on them
[12:05] <waylandbill> Thehound666: that's ok.. my thought is PS3 and Wii make an XP box look like the original 8-bit Nintendo. We all have out opinions
[12:05] <aegis> The odd part is, it didn't screw up too badly, it just centered the 1280x800 viewport in the middle of my 1600x1200 desktop
[12:06] <Thehound666> maybe it's like vmware in the fact you have to invoke the driver command line to change resolution
[12:06] <distro-tester> wayland u got ps3 and wii?
[12:06] <waylandbill> god my keyboard skills are lacking tonight.
[12:06] <aegis> I tried then to restart X in console mode, and edited the xorg.conf file to get rid of some resolutions, and now it won't ever boot to the desktop regardless
[12:06] <distro-tester> here in italy will be out soon ps3 im whit 2 now
[12:06] <distro-tester> no sorry i read u bad
[12:07] <Thehound666> ok go into recovery mode by booting to it in the menu
[12:07] <Thehound666> press esc to get that menu
[12:07] <waylandbill> Wii... friend has ps3.
[12:07] <sparr> stdin: thanks.  now ive gotta open my case and re-label all my drives  :)
[12:07] <Thehound666> not type
[12:07] <Thehound666> let me think
[12:07] <Thehound666> ahh
[12:07] <distro-tester> u know what Hoxxin if u still there i wish they will keep making america's army for linux it's stuck to 2.5 now and for xp it's 2.8 out
[12:07] <stdin> sparr: heh :)
[12:07] <aegis> When I reboot kubuntu now, I get to the login screen (set to 1600x1200 and working, go figure)
[12:07] <distro-tester> that's the only game i care for now
[12:08] <aegis> but if I boot into my account it will kick me back to the login screen
[12:08] <Thehound666> what was the command
[12:08] <aegis> and if I boot to console, I can't start X again because it keeps crashing
[12:08] <distro-tester> hey some guy on ubuntu just pvt me asking if it was true i got attacks from m$ and samba is that normal or i have to worry?
[12:08] <Thehound666> I know it's something reconfigure xorg-xserver
[12:08] <waylandbill> never played america's army... mmofps I assume.
[12:08] <sparr> stdin: got tired of not knowing which drive was which when i had the case open, so they all have pencil'd device names on them
[12:08] <sparr> waylandbill: normal fps, not mm
[12:09] <Phlosten> Thehound666: update-rd.d is the command you need,. run 'man update-rd.d' to read about it. runs something like 'update-rc.d default /script'
[12:09] <Phlosten> Thehound666: update-rc.d
[12:09] <distro-tester> yes  way the best fps ever made usa army makes it and it's 100% free moast played online game in the world
[12:09] <Thehound666> oh I meant for him
[12:09] <sparr> distro-tester: iirc, the linux AA guy lost his funding/time/something and isnt working on it any more
[12:09] <Thehound666> to reconfigure xserver on non boot
[12:09] <stdin> sparr: I can normally just look at them and see, but then I do only have 3
[12:09] <Thehound666> in recovery mode
[12:10] <distro-tester> u know if he will get back or how to contact him ?
[12:10] <distro-tester> sparr
[12:10] <sparr> stdin: heh, i removed the noisiest one with my latest hardware reorganization, now i only have 6 :)
[12:10] <waylandbill> distro-tester: ok.. I think I saw it on wikipedia .. on page with tremulus
[12:10] <sparr> distro-tester: i doubt it.  google for details.
[12:10] <distro-tester> ill give u site hold
[12:10] <ghostdog> this might be a trivial question, but I remember a while back in dapper (using edgy now), when I popped in a dvd, the title of it would display on the desktop icon
[12:10] <distro-tester> thanx sparr btw there is a guy on ubuntu pvt me asking if i it's true i get attacks by m$ and samba is that normal?
[12:10] <ghostdog> does not do that anymore, do I have to edit something in hal?
[12:11] <Minataku> Light beer... that's just so against what beer was meant to be... a liquid meal
[12:11] <distro-tester> but dosen't answer me when i reply him
[12:11] <Minataku> It didn't get the name "liquid bread" because someone liquified bread to make it :P
[12:11] <distro-tester> is there any rules of not speaking to strangers i must know minataku in linux world?
[12:11] <distro-tester> couse this is odd
[12:12] <Thehound666> oh I see for the update rc'.d
[12:12] <aegis> Anyone have a clue how I can get a login? Whenever I log in, it looks like it tries to draw the desktop, fails, and goes back to the login screen
[12:12] <Minataku> distro-tester: Just the same usual things that come with common sense, distro-tester
[12:12] <aegis> but it doesn't explicitly say login failed
[12:12] <Minataku> aegis: Something in X did
[12:12] <Minataku> The error is traced in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[12:12] <aegis> Yeah, I gather that much, but I don't know what, much less how to fix it
[12:12] <waylandbill> aegis: look at the X logs in /var/log
[12:12] <Minataku> It'll be near the bottom
[12:12] <Thehound666> typoed it this time. I seen it in a script
[12:12] <distro-tester> so maby it was some m$ samba staff who was curius who knows
[12:12] <sparr> stdin: the most annoying part is that the pata/libata/whatever isnt skipping letters like the "old" ide drivers did
[12:12] <aegis> kk one sec I'll pull it up
[12:12] <Thehound666> syntax it spit out
[12:12] <Thehound666> thanks
[12:12] <distro-tester> here u got way http://www.americasarmy.com/
[12:12] <sparr> stdin: i guess that makes UUID almost a requirement
[12:13] <waylandbill> aegis: use tail or just scroll to the bottom
[12:13] <Minataku> distro-tester: Samba is SMB, the NFS of Windows
[12:13] <distro-tester> that explains all
[12:13] <Minataku> Because Microsoft, as usual, said NFS wasn't "good enough"
[12:13] <Minataku> So they made a half-assed copy
[12:13] <Minataku> As is their usual way
[12:13] <distro-tester> i think they hitting on us to spy and that guy is a infiltrated
[12:13] <distro-tester> to curius on linux users
[12:13] <Minataku> Now that every Unix user uses it, they go and change it to "SMB2" in Vista
[12:14] <Minataku> distro-tester: Chill, they're not the USSR or the KGB
[12:14] <Minataku> lol
[12:14] <distro-tester> yes that's exactely who attacks me samba smb
[12:14] <Minataku> They're just an arsehole corporation
[12:14] <stdin> sparr: defiantly makes things easier when they change names
[12:14] <waylandbill> distro-tester: you may look into sshd rather than samba.. a port is available for win32... does file transfers nicely.
[12:14] <distro-tester> no just hate to be spyied
[12:14] <distro-tester> ehhh
[12:14] <Minataku> You're not being spied on
[12:14] <Thehound666> what is Vista's filesyste? just curious(please say ext3)
[12:14] <Minataku> Calm down, excessive paranoia is bad for you
[12:14] <Thehound666> filesystem*
[12:14] <Minataku> Thehound666: NTFS
[12:14] <distro-tester> only couse we got great firestarter who blocks all curius eyes
[12:14] <Minataku> Same as it ever was