[12:00] <pep9> Q: what does an NT sysadmin does in a linux irc channel? A: he learns, and he shuts up
[12:00] <Pozac> Better to acknowledge ones newness than pretend to know it all from the start.
[12:01] <Pozac> For in one form or another, we are all new.
[12:01] <Pozac> (I'll be here all week)
[12:01] <pep9> thanks for your simpathy :P
[12:01] <pep9> ehehehe
[12:01] <HrdwrBoB> I'm new at this whole 'being new' game.. I've always known it all
[12:01] <HrdwrBoB> what do I do?
[12:01] <pep9> lol
[12:01] <jacobat> HrdwrBoB: Solve P = NP?
[12:01] <ogra> HrdwrBoB: drink until you forget ?
[12:02] <HrdwrBoB> ogra: excellent!
[12:02] <Fator_Tee> quite controversial(sp?) :-)
[12:02] <ogra> :)
[12:02] <HrdwrBoB> heh well I had four christmas work parties
[12:02] <pep9> lol
[12:02] <HrdwrBoB> all of them had alchohol
[12:02] <Fator_Tee> they wouldn't be parties without
[12:03] <ogra> HrdwrBoB: but you are in the wrong part of the world, cristmas is supposed to be cold enough to drink hot rum
[12:03] <Pozac> mmm rum
[12:03] <HrdwrBoB> no, christmas is hot
[12:03] <HrdwrBoB> you drink beer
[12:03] <ogra> HrdwrBoB: which is much better for forgetting ;)
[12:03] <HrdwrBoB> and play cricket
[12:03] <ogra> hehe
[12:03] <HrdwrBoB> :D
[12:03] <Pozac> lol
[12:03] <Pozac> does santa play too?
[12:04] <Fator_Tee> santa doesn't have free time to play
[12:04] <ogra> he sends rudolph
[12:04] <Pozac> cricket is play?
[12:04] <ogra> kind of ... slow motion play
[12:05] <protocol> brb
[12:07] <izmaelis> joke: Santa flies over Africa, watches at hungry kids in Nigeria and says: "Hmmmm, bad children, if you will not eat than I shall not give you any presents in X-mas."
[12:08] <Pozac> ahem
[12:08] <martin> back
[12:09] <ogra> not a funny one
[12:09] <Pozac> izmaelis, but they will gladly eat?
[12:09] <Pozac> I agree, sorry.
[12:09] <martin_> hmmm
[12:09] <martin_> help. lol
[12:09] <Pozac> same thing?
[12:10] <martin_> my gui is not quite working
[12:10] <martin_> i dont have those bars
[12:10] <martin_> with applications and computer
[12:10] <martin_> and the bar which sits at the bottom of the screen
[12:10] <PDU-X> any good apt source?
[12:10] <Pozac> PDU-X, google for breakmyubuntu !
[12:10] <ogra> PDU-X: archive.ubuntu.com
[12:11] <martin_> er o_O
[12:11] <ogra> martin_: warty or hoary ?
[12:11] <martin_> warty
[12:11] <martin_> i got an error: "I've detected a pannel already running, and will now exit"
[12:11] <ogra> weird....did you migrate your home from a former install ?
[12:11] <martin_> im clicking ok, lets see what happenes..
[12:11] <Pozac> oh
[12:12] <martin_> the error just keeps repeating itself
[12:12] <martin_> nope i didnt..
[12:12] <Pozac> when did gnome-panel become so horrible at hanging around?
[12:12] <ogra> go to a console and kill the running panel....
[12:12] <martin_> how do i do that?
[12:12] <Pozac> martin_, ctrl-alt-f1
[12:12] <Pozac> login, killall -9 gnome-panel
[12:12] <martin_> ok, and how do i kill it?
[12:12] <izmaelis> murda wuz da kase
[12:12] <martin_> ok
[12:12] <ogra> and ctrl-alt-f7 to come back
[12:13] <Pozac> just ctrl-f7
[12:13] <Pozac> ;)
[12:13] <Pozac> alt-f7 sorry
[12:13] <ogra> Pozac: lazy guy
[12:13] <martin_> ah! works :)
[12:13] <Pozac> ogra, Lazy is my true mother :)
[12:13] <martin_> ummm
[12:14] <martin_> guys why do you use gnome if its so horrible?
[12:14] <ogra> Pozac: i know.... wernt you complaining about apt and its brothers and sisters ;)
[12:14] <Pozac> it's wonderful
[12:14] <Pozac> ogra, yes
[12:14] <Pozac> ogra, apt makes my head hurt ;)
[12:14] <martin_> Pozac, arent you contradicting yourself?
[12:14] <ogra> martin_: it normaly isnt, probably it doesnt like you :-P
[12:14] <martin_> :(
[12:14] <Pozac> martin_, no, there's just something wrong with gnome-panel's behavior
[12:15] <Pozac> martin_, it really doesn't usually do that, and gnome is wonderful environment
[12:15] <martin_> oh.
[12:15] <martin_> ok -_-
[12:15] <ogra> Pozac: i havent seen such probs on any inastallation around here
[12:15] <Pozac> which I have followed since 1.0 :)
[12:15] <Pozac> ogra, I'm not sure if it's only when I ctrl-alt-backspace, but I've done that alot lately
[12:16] <Pozac> I used to ctrl-alt-backspace alot
[12:16] <Pozac> I am lazy you know
[12:16] <ogra> Pozac: probably the prob...the session may remain half saved
[12:16] <Pozac> ogra, never had the problem before recently :)
[12:16] <ogra> :)
[12:17] <Pozac> martin_, so does the app work as expected now?
[12:18] <martin_> yes Pozac, thanks :)
[12:18] <martin_> woah, limewire rocks
[12:18] <Pozac> no problem :)
[12:18] <martin_> downloads really fast
[12:19] <martin_> i wonder why? its like 10 times better than kazaa
[12:20] <jeffvos2004> Hello
[12:24] <martin_> Pozac, does the fact that i use a router affects my bittorrent downloads?
[12:24] <Pozac> martin_, Yes it does, forwarding some ports allows you to upload to more people and get a better rating, and download faster :)
[12:26] <Pozac> martin_, you need to forward port 6881-6889 to your machine :)
[12:28] <AMIGrAve> is cdrdao in warty package list ?
[12:29] <Pozac> I think it's only in hoary, AMIGrAve
[12:29] <crimsun> apt-cache policy cdrdao
[12:29] <crimsun> that will tell you
[12:29] <Pozac> oh
[12:30] <Pozac> AMIGrAve, it appears to be in universe
[12:32] <AMIGrAve> crimsun: Candidate: (none)
[12:33] <K-Rich> where can i download hoary from ?
[12:33] <martin_> Pozac, how do i forward those ports?
[12:34] <Pozac> martin_, do you know how to use your routers web interface?
[12:34] <K-Rich> anyone?
[12:34] <theNeonGod> there are at least 20 instances of smbd running on my box right now....... why?
[12:35] <Pozac> AMIGrAve, read this page: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto#uncommenting-universe
[12:35] <martin_> nope Pozac, i have no idea about anything that has to do with my router
[12:36] <Pozac> martin_, hehe ok then.. what brand is it?
[12:36] <Pozac> and name
[12:37] <K-Rich> can someone tell me where to find hoary ?
[12:37] <Pozac> K-Rich, do you want a new CD or just upgrade?
[12:37] <Pozac> hoary has not been released yet
[12:37] <crimsun> K-Rich: are you _absolutely_ sure you want to dist-upgrade to Hoary?
[12:37] <K-Rich> both actually, nice to just upgrade, but have the iso for backup
[12:37] <Pozac> it is NOT intended for users
[12:37] <martin_> Pozac, CNet CNIG904S
[12:38] <K-Rich> crimsun, need newer apps, we talked last night
[12:38] <crimsun> K-Rich: you _need_ or you _want_?
[12:38] <K-Rich> want...
[12:38] <|QuaD-> K-Rich: you know your hoary will break every other week right?
[12:38] <Pozac> martin_, gee, I dont think I can help you with that, sorry. Try looking in your manual if you have it :)
[12:38] <K-Rich> but still want, put on my dev box anyhow
[12:38] <crimsun> Hoary is _not_ for the faint of heart
[12:38] <Pozac> K-Rich, Can you not just use backports?
[12:39] <crimsun> things break constantly. You are expected to use resources to fix them prior to asking for assistance.
[12:39] <martin_> Pozac, ok
[12:39] <K-Rich> might could, if i can find them, i need gimp 2.2 and want gnome 2.9.x
[12:39] <Kamion> K-Rich: I release alpha-test ISO images of Hoary from time to time; look for "Subject: Array CD 2" (with varying numbers) on ubuntu-users.
[12:40] <AMIGrAve> Pozac: i already have universe and multiverse
[12:40] <martin_> Pozac, how do i find torrents?
[12:40] <K-Rich> my main sstem is Debian SID if that's any condolese
[12:40] <|QuaD->  here is my opinion, we should not be telling people how to upgrade to hoary, because if they were the type of user who should be using it, then they would also know to get the information on how to upgrade
[12:40] <|QuaD-> K-Rich: sid is more stable then this
[12:40] <|QuaD-> i ran it for 3 years, never broke
[12:40] <K-Rich> |QuaD-, lol, i'm just being lazy
[12:40] <|QuaD-> hoary, ran for 2 months, and it breaks a lot
[12:40] <Pozac> AMIGrAve, ok then.. apt-cache policy cdrdao here says:         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages
[12:40] <Pozac>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Packages
[12:41] <crimsun> K-Rich: Hoary does not have GIMP 2.2.
[12:41] <crimsun> K-Rich: Sid only recently got it (this week)
[12:41] <Pozac> martin_, can't help you there
[12:41] <martin_> o_O
[12:41] <martin_> ok...
[12:41] <Pozac> martin_, there are torrents for ubuntu cd's :)
[12:43] <|QuaD-> if bittornado is released before I go on vacation, i plan to run the ubuntu torrents (on my 20 mbit line :)) otherwise :(
[12:44] <Kamion> what's up with bittornado?
[12:44] <Pozac> python
[12:44] <michel_v> hello
[12:44] <Kamion> Pozac: more specifically?
[12:44] <Kamion> ah, I see
[12:44] <Pozac> Kamion, needs <2.4 but 2.4.0ubuntu will be installed
[12:44] <michel_v> I just got my hoary up to date, and now nvidia kernel module and X module versions are out of synch
[12:45] <crimsun> Kamion: I suppose 0.3.8-1 from Sid needs to be compiled with Hoary's python2.4
[12:45] <Quest-Master> Azureus = best IMO
[12:45] <michel_v> what is the problem, and is there a command to run to just fix that?
[12:45] <Kamion> ok, that can be fixed
[12:45] <michel_v> (I suck at apt-get)
[12:45] <K-Rich> crimsun, must have got it the last two days (SID) ... i've been out of town so
[12:45] <|QuaD-> Kamion: you are fixing bittornado?
[12:45] <Kamion> yeah, might as well
[12:46] <|QuaD-> Kamion: you are the greatest!
[12:46] <|QuaD-> been waiting for like a week!
[12:46] <crimsun> see? that's called 0 response time.
[12:46] <Kamion> is there a bug open about it?
[12:46] <|QuaD-> crimsun: the developers love us here
[12:46] <|QuaD-> Kamion: nope... i didn't think of it as a bug
[12:47] <|QuaD-> Kamion: should i be filing bug reports for things like this?
[12:47] <Kamion> well, it's awkward for universe, since that isn't supported
[12:47] <Kamion> and bittornado is universe ...
[12:47] <|QuaD-> right... thats why i didn't... i didn't know what to do other than wait
[12:48] <Kamion> if the bugs came with patches then we wouldn't mind :)
[12:48] <|QuaD-> haha
[12:48] <AMIGrAve> Pozac: i have same problem with other packages i would like to install, i think my source.list is correct, (i apt-get update) but i have missing apps
[12:48] <AMIGrAve> Pozac: can you have a look at my source.list in #flood ?
[12:49] <ogra> Pozac: go on, learn to fix mono.....the community will love you for this ;)
[12:49] <Pozac> AMIGrAve, go for it
[12:49] <Pozac> I have no idea whats wrong with it
[12:50] <theNeonGod> thare are endless amounts of 'panic-a <defunct>' followed by 'smbd' operations running when i view top. anyone have any clue as to what/why this is, and how should i get rid of it (puter's being sluggish... i'm guessing this is part of it)
[12:50] <Pozac> is it just packaging?
[12:50] <gloin> hrm
[12:50] <|QuaD-> Pozac: i am guessing mono is a bit more difficult
[12:50] <gloin> can't install KDE on hoary right now =[
[12:50] <Pozac> |QuaD-, yeh..
[12:50] <gloin> kpaint is missing of all things
[12:50] <gloin> bloody
[12:50] <AMIGrAve> Pozac: i pasted
[12:50] <|QuaD-> how soon after sid gets packages does hoary?
[12:51] <Riddell> gloin: apt-get install kde-core  (then other things as needed)
[12:51] <ogra> AMIGrAve: looks ok
[12:51] <gloin> thx Riddell
[12:51] <Kamion> |QuaD-: if the package hasn't been changed in Ubuntu, within a day or so
[12:51] <Pozac> AMIGrAve, hmm.. seems ok
[12:51] <Kamion> |QuaD-: if the package has been changed, whenever a developer gets round to doing the merge
[12:52] <AMIGrAve> Pozac: should i do an apt-get upgrade instead of update ?
[12:52] <|QuaD-> hasn't been changed?
[12:54] <Pozac> AMIGrAve, no, the upgrade downloads and installs the updates
[12:54] <crimsun> Kamion: I suppose you could do something akin to #3426, syncing from Debian
[12:54] <|QuaD-> so if hoary gets things after sid, why does hoary break more often?
[12:54] <thenuke> because newest is not the best
[12:54] <Kamion> crimsun: hm?
[12:54] <Kamion> |QuaD-: we do stuff in hoary too ...
[12:55] <crimsun> Kamion: that'd be an excuse for updating 'bittornado' in hoary/universe
[12:55] <crimsun> Kamion: ;)
[12:55] <Kamion> crimsun: I don't understand. That bug's fixed; the changes in Ubuntu were superseded by changes in Debian.
[12:55] <|QuaD-> Kamion: :)
[12:55] <crimsun> Kamion: sorry, you misunderstood me (and I was unclear)
[12:55] <Kamion> crimsun: (note that that bug's assigned to me ...)
[12:56] <AMIGrAve> Pozac: got the same problem with rar, flashplayer-mozilla, and some other packages that I don't see, but I saw the difference when I added universe, I have more package since
[12:56] <|QuaD-> Kamion: so how long until i should apt-get install bittornado
[12:56] <crimsun> Kamion: in any case, it's not an issue; the version in sid is newer than in hoary/universe, so one could use that as rationale to update
[12:56] <Kamion> crimsun: uh ... no it's not?
[12:56] <Kamion> bittornado |    0.3.8-1 |      unstable | source, all
[12:56] <Kamion> bittornado |    0.3.8-1 | hoary/universe | source
[12:57] <Kamion> 0.3.8-1 in hoary/universe just failed to build from source, that's all ...
[12:57] <Kamion> I'm fixing that at the same time
[12:57] <crimsun> ah, ok.
[12:57] <crimsun> policy reported 0.3.7-4, which was explained by the FTB
[12:57] <pep9> damn
[12:57] <crimsun> no biggie, thanks for explaining
[12:57] <Haukkari> Is it possible to downgrade to warty from hoary?
[12:57] <Kamion> crimsun: right
[12:57] <Kamion> |QuaD-: test-building now
[12:58] <pep9> 30 sec to load a site that i load in 2 sec with windoze
[12:58] <|QuaD-> Kamion: :)
[12:58] <pep9> just checked dns again
[12:59] <AMIGrAve> what's the best gnome burning app front-end ?
[12:59] <kevin> for cd?
[12:59] <kevin> I like xcdroast
[01:00] <Kamion> |QuaD-: fixed source uploaded, give it about two hours
[01:00] <ChrisC_> I've got a question about the root/sudo password ...
[01:00] <Pozac> I like nautilus-cd-burner .. just select CD-burner from the Places-menu in a nautilus window
[01:00] <|QuaD-> Kamion: nice :) thanks... you are the best
[01:01] <pep9> well
[01:01] <pep9> bya all
[01:01] <pep9> thanks
[01:01] <Pozac> bye pep9
[01:01] <AMIGrAve> kevin: cd, yes
[01:01] <pep9> thanks for the info
[01:01] <ChrisC_> If I'm logged in under my regular user account (chris), and I try to do something at the system level, it asks me for a password, which I'd expect would be the root password, but always MY OWN password does the trick.  Huh?
[01:01] <kevin> well I like xcdroast and k3b
[01:01] <ChrisC_> "at the system level" = user admin etc.
[01:01] <kevin> arson is nice too
[01:02] <|Snegec|> Okies.. newb here.. now that i've mounted my windows fat32 partition, how do I access files on it?
[01:02] <Pozac> Any pointers to what's exactly wrong with mono? seems like circular dependency between mono-assemblies-base and mono-jit ??
[01:02] <st3v3n> gksudo takes my user's password, and not the root password, anyone know why, or how i can change it to take only the root password?
[01:02] <|QuaD-> ChrisC_: are you using gui or cli utilities
[01:02] <kevin> ChrisC, I found the same thing works for me
[01:03] <Nominus> hi, how should i set /etc/network/interfaces for wirless network with WEP and hidden essid? man interfaces keeps silence about this options.
[01:03] <ChrisC_> |quad: GUI for sure, CLI does it too I think, lemmee check
[01:03] <Nominus> *wireless
[01:03] <Pozac> ChrisC_, Everything is logged :)
[01:03] <ChrisC_> well, it's hard to check because it seems to retain the password for 5 minutes (i.e. no prompt)
[01:04] <ChrisC_> Pozac: I don't understand
[01:04] <|QuaD-> ChrisC_: never use gui utilities that require root access.... though,if you do sudo *command* it will require your user pass
[01:04] <|QuaD-> if you set it up to use root
[01:04] <|QuaD-> then you use su and give your root password
[01:04] <crimsun> Pozac: mcs just needs to be built on hoary
[01:04] <crimsun> Pozac: using mono from hoary/universe
[01:04] <Pozac> ChrisC_, read this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[01:05] <ChrisC_> Hmmm, OK, I did a "sudo ls" just to test it, expecting root password to work, but in fact my user password worked.  Now how does the line up with what you were saying?
[01:05] <kevin> by the way, does anyone know how to update the apt repository
[01:05] <kevin> I forget
[01:05] <ChrisC_> Pozac: OK, will read, brb
[01:05] <Pozac> crimsun, ok.. so I'll be changing some deps, posting a patch?
[01:05] <|QuaD-> ChrisC_: it is exactly what i said
[01:06] <crimsun> Pozac: construct a hoary chroot using debootstrap, then build mcs from source.
[01:06] <crimsun> Pozac: that's essentially it
[01:06] <rwabel> pozac: I achieved to install mono on hoary
[01:06] <crimsun> Pozac: of course you'll want to make sure you have the most current binary-available version of debootstrap
[01:07] <kevin> aptconfig
[01:07] <rwabel> pozac: it was a matter of fiddeling between hoary and sid :-)
[01:07] <crimsun> Pozac: (0.2.45ubuntu15 here)
[01:08] <ChrisC_> OK, here's my problem.  I want "root/system level things" like user admin and network services and the like to require a different password than my user account, just like in every other *nix system I've ever used.  But with everything I've tried to admin in Ubuntu, my personal USER password seems tobe what is needed.  That's not protection.  I'm sure I'm just messed up ...
[01:08] <kebac> i installed freebsd... i like it a lot! do you think ubuntu could offer me more?
[01:09] <rwabel> does anyone know what the hell galaxy is?
[01:09] <rwabel>  2145 rwabel    25  10  3716 2064 2836 R 60.8  0.2   3:16.40 galaxy
[01:09] <Pozac> ok, guess I'll be debootstrapping for a while then?
[01:09] <riley_> how would I change the color of the text for the launchers on my desktop?
[01:11] <ogra> kebac: more then 14000 softwarepackages to install ?
[01:11] <Triple5> how can I get the sysinfo script for xchat on ubuntu?
[01:12] <kebac> ogra: i think... if i could get Counter-Strike Source working with ubuntu without any headache, i would consider using ubuntu :)
[01:12] <javalon> hi
[01:12] <ogra> kebac: do you get it working with bsd ? i think linux is more likely
[01:12] <esher> Triple5, use "xlack" xchat script
[01:12] <kebac> ogra: i installed it today.. i hav'nt had time to try counter strike yet
[01:12] <esher> this works
[01:13] <mp_> Pozac, Kamion no joy here .. keep getting hdc lost interrupt, or bootfailures (disabled ACPI, pic=usepirqmask, 4 diff. kernels etc. etc.)
[01:13] <Triple5> ty esher let me try
[01:13] <Triple5> esher, how I get it anyways?
[01:13] <ogra> kebac: btw, how is the binary support for the gamer graphics cards (ati/nvidia) in bsd
[01:13] <Pozac> mp_, hmmm
[01:14] <mp_> Pozac, this is a 2.6.x issue, i think.. also in FC3
[01:14] <javalon> i'm configuring ubuntu in a Acer Aspire 1353XC, but i have a litle problem with the touchpad. How can i configure, please?
[01:14] <mp_> but not in FC1
[01:14] <kebac> ogra: i have an ati card (9800 non-pro). i have not yet tried any drivers for my card, but i have heard that the drivers suck...
[01:14] <esher> 1mom
[01:14] <ChrisC_> Ok, I'll give up on understanding the root/security model :)    next question ...
[01:15] <kebac> ogra: i have heard that the drivers suck for both BSD and linux
[01:15] <ChrisC_> Anyone have the SETI cruncher working in a screensaver configuration? (i.e. doesn't run until screensaver kicks in)
[01:15] <kevin> the apt repository is rather tiny for ubuntu eh?
[01:15] <esher> http://shelenya.putopunto.com/xlack/ - many options, also deactivate color-code ;)
[01:15] <ogra> kebac: not on ubuntu: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:16] <Kamion> rwabel: my guess is xscreensaver
[01:16] <Kamion> galaxy is one of its savers
[01:16] <Gaz> Hey guys, I'm having a little trouble installing Ubuntu on x86.  Any ideas?
[01:16] <ogra> kevin: are 14000 pkgs not enough ?
[01:16] <alka_trash> hey all
[01:17] <kevin> I've only had it set up for 10 minutes, do you have to update your repositories after installing ubuntu?
[01:17] <Pozac> kevin, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto#uncommenting-universe
[01:17] <rwabel> Kamion: ah that''s a good idea. you was right. damn this took too much CPU. thanks for the info
[01:18] <xevil> kevin yes... edit your /etc/apt/souces.list
[01:18] <kevin> thanx pozac, I think thats what I'm looking for
[01:18] <kevin> just switched from Mandrake 10
[01:18] <ChrisC_> Pozac's way is easier for the newbie
[01:19] <kevin> newbie is the key word here
[01:19] <Kamion> |QuaD-: bittornado should be available in about 20 minutes
[01:19] <ChrisC_> One more time: anyone have the SETI cruncher working in a screensaver configuration? (i.e. doesn't run until screensaver kicks in)
[01:19] <st3v3n> mmm... ubuntu is the sh*t
[01:19] <|QuaD-> Kamion: yay
[01:20] <Kamion> |QuaD-: you get to test it though, I've only test-*built* it
[01:20] <ogra> ChrisC_: seems not....
[01:20] <|QuaD-> test-*built*?
[01:20] <ChrisC_> yeah :/
[01:20] <|QuaD-> i am actually leaving the computer for like 4 hours... i will be back to let you know how it works thouhg :)
[01:20] <|QuaD-> Kamion: what do you mean by test-*built*
[01:21] <Kamion> I built the source package and looked at it to see if it looked about right
[01:22] <|QuaD-> haha... ok
[01:22] <|QuaD-> i am going now... i will let you know how it is
[01:22] <|QuaD-> want me to pm you later?
[01:22] <Kamion> no, I'll be asleep
[01:22] <Kamion> file a bug if it breaks
[01:22] <|QuaD-> heh... ok :)
[01:22] <|QuaD-> ttyl
[01:22] <|QuaD-> thanks again!
[01:23] <|QuaD-> bye!
[01:27] <ChrisC_> I'm trying to get DOSEMU working, but can't find the "QuickStart Guide" that apparently will solve all my problems
[01:28] <Pozac> ChrisC_ ?
[01:28] <Pozac> whats the problem?
[01:29] <ChrisC_> I was previously trying to work from this document http://www.jw-stumpel.nl/dosemu.html but the author has a very negative attitude to Debian packaging so I'm thinking there must be a better way
[01:30] <gloin> hey, back again =]
[01:30] <gloin> I'm having trouble with hoary not loading glx - I followed the binary driver howto to the letter for my nvidia card, but glxgears barfs with "No GLX module" error
[01:30] <gloin> what's up?
[01:31] <fsmw> hi!
[01:31] <Pozac> ChrisC_, Ehh.. ubuntu is way easier than what that guy is talking about :)
[01:31] <gloin> lol
[01:31] <fsmw> i can't configure my soundcard
[01:31] <Pozac> ChrisC_, just install dosemu and dosemu-freedos
[01:31] <fsmw> on my laptop
[01:32] <gloin> ubuntu is really easy unless you're a masochist like me and want to try everything new and exciting and untested
[01:32] <gloin> so anyone know how to fix the non-loading GLX problem?
[01:32] <gloin> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[01:32] <gloin> only there's a load section in xorg.conf, etc
[01:32] <gloin> and the nvidia splash screen comes up correctly
[01:33] <Pozac> gloin, examine /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[01:33] <ChrisC_> Pozac: OK, but when I "try to run (as a normal user) xdosemu" per the URL mentioned, I get nothing; what else can I do to test it?
[01:33] <Pozac> Do nvidia officially support Xorg?
[01:33] <Pozac> ChrisC_, dosemu ?
[01:34] <gloin> Symbol __glXgetActiveScreen from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdri
[01:34] <gloin> .a is unresolved!
[01:34] <gloin> hrm
[01:34] <Pozac> ChrisC_, you may also need the xfonts-dosemu package
[01:34] <gloin> googletime
[01:35] <ChrisC_> OK, I ran 'dosemu' and it appeared that it was going to run ("in this terminal") but then I went back to what appears to be a regular shell prompt.
[01:35] <Pozac> did you install freedos?
[01:35] <ChrisC_> xfonts-dosemu is installed
[01:35] <ChrisC_> yes
[01:35] <Pozac> hmm
[01:36] <gloin> Pozac: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=36370  =]  =]
[01:36] <gloin> looks like a bug, but easily fixable
[01:36] <Pozac> It asked me something about the licensing
[01:36] <Kamion> I think Daniel meant {a,so} rather than {so,a} there, maybe
[01:36] <Triple5> can anyone send me a direct link to the warty to hoary faq? please :)
[01:37] <daniels> Kamion: it was me not realising the nvidia drivers odes interesting things, will fix it later
[01:37] <mp_> boot fails at "enterprise volume management system", then hangs, but sends every minute this: hdc: cdrom_pc_intr: the drive appears confused (ireason=0x01)
[01:37] <Kamion> daniels: yeah, I mean in the workaround linked to by gloin, though
[01:38] <daniels> Kamion: oh, right.  yeah.
[01:41] <imka> hey
[01:42] <Pozac> Merry christmas, imka .. if you're into that :)
[01:43] <imka> i've heard that santa is bringing me a sb auigy 2. so i won't need my onboard sound device. what's the way to go? disable it in the bios or playing with the jumper?
[01:43] <Pozac> bios should be fine
[01:43] <imka> Prozac merry christmas
[01:43] <imka> cool.
[01:44] <imka> i can't wait to hear the card.i'm at home now, and my pc is where i study. arrgghhhhhh
[01:44] <Pozac> damn
[01:44] <Pozac> should have brought the pc home
[01:44] <Pozac> :)
[01:44] <imka> im using my oldskool 233mhz 64mb ram laptop running slackware at the moment
[01:45] <Pozac> ouch
[01:45] <Kamion> daniels: merry Christmas, enjoy
[01:45] <Pozac> 233 is not enough, dude
[01:45] <imka> Pozac, you can do that. just set "only one screensaver"
[01:45] <Pozac> imka, yeah yeah.. I want everyone have it default
[01:45] <imka> Pozac, not enough for what? :)
[01:45] <Pozac> it's wicked cool
[01:45] <imka> yea it is
[01:46] <Pozac> imka, so you're using fluxbox or xfce or something?
[01:46] <imka> icewm
[01:46] <daniels> Kamion: cheers dude, you too :) hopefully effecective radio silence until the 3rd -- xorg sprint + mataro + fd.o compromise has kinda taken it out of me, and catching up with people is always nice ;)
[01:47] <imka> mozilla runs ok once it's loaded. other than that, no heavy apps. xmms, abiword, xchat...
[01:48] <Kamion> daniels: looks like I'm mostly out of leave, so I'll be around between Christmas and New Year, but expect to be mostly lurking in corners and getting on with isolated projects ...
[01:48] <Pozac> imka, no firefox?
[01:48] <imka> no
[01:49] <daniels> Kamion: ah, right.  wanna fix the x.org problem? ;)
[01:49] <etorix> its only a symlink or so
[01:50] <Pozac> imka, check out skipstone
[01:51] <Pozac> for a very light, gecko based browser
[01:51] <daniels> etorix: well, yeah, bit fixing the real problem would be nice.  i have a fix locally, just don't want to make a new upload right now.  devil you know, and all that.
[01:51] <etorix> what the local fix?
[01:52] <daniels> adding lib%s.so and %s_drv.so back to the search path, but as lower priorities
[01:52] <etorix> Removing nvidia-glx ...
[01:52] <etorix> dpkg-divert: mismatch on divert-to
[01:52] <etorix>   when removing `diversion of /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1 to /usr/X11R6/lib32/nvidia/libGL.so.1.xlibmesa by nvidia-glx'
[01:52] <etorix>   found `diversion of /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1 to /usr/X11R6/lib/nvidia/libGL.so.1.xlibmesa by nvidia-glx'
[01:52] <etorix> dpkg: error processing nvidia-glx (--remove):
[01:53] <Kamion> daniels: without an nvidia it's a bit nerve-wracking ...
[01:53] <zenwhen> Switching to Linux switched me from ATi in a hurry.
[01:54] <etorix> heh
[01:55] <etorix> i have nvidia working fine on my debootstrapped debian-amd64 .. using locally compiled xorgx64 debs
[01:55] <Pozac> Does anyone know how much it would take to put a nice background picture on the initial Xorg load screen in hoary?
[01:55] <zenwhen> They aren't a bad company, but if they won't properly support my platform, my dollar won't support them.
[01:55] <Pozac> is there somewhere I can insert a xsetroot command?
[01:56] <imka> i've just installed a geforce fx ultra 5700 on my gonnabefatherinlaws pc and it's working really nice in warty
[01:56] <etorix> ati are sposed to be working on it
[01:56] <imka> (cedega)
[01:56] <etorix> yeah hoary is the problem
[01:56] <zenwhen> etorix, they have been claiming that for two years.
[01:56] <Pozac> they DID make a driver though
[01:56] <zenwhen> a horrible one
[01:56] <Pozac> it's just getting sorta old and in need of replacement
[01:57] <Pozac> it worked in the beginning
[01:57] <zenwhen> with lacking performance and horrible dual head support
[01:57] <Pozac> true
[01:57] <Kamion> etorix: I think I see that diversion bug, I'll fix it
[01:58] <etorix> cool
[01:58] <Quest-Master> ATI doesn't properly support Ubuntu? :o
[01:59] <etorix> ati -xorg is the no-no
[01:59] <Quest-Master> ah
[02:00] <Pozac> Which commandline tool can I use to set the X root to a .jpg?
[02:00] <Pozac> xsetroot seems to want a bitmap
[02:05] <Kamion> etorix: fixed
[02:05] <Se7h> one question
[02:05] <Se7h> on gnomemeeting
[02:05] <Se7h> is there some kind of "workgroup" ?
[02:05] <Se7h> to able to talk to others?
[02:05] <JDahl> Is there a webbased overview of packages in Hoary similar to Debian's http://packages.debian.org?
[02:06] <javalon> hi
[02:07] <javalon> i have a acer aspire with a touchpad. Ubuntu configure it at install, but the posibility of do click with the touchscreen is available. I don't like this. I want can do click *only* with the buttons.
[02:08] <javalon> How can i do this, please? I don't see nothing in the net.
[02:08] <Pozac> ahh... qiv
[02:09] <javalon> qiv?
[02:10] <Pozac> javalon, not related to your question, sorry..
[02:11] <javalon> no problem, thanks ;)
[02:11] <Pozac> javalon, but it sets my x background to a jpg from commandline :)
[02:13] <Pozac> javalon, can it scroll?
[02:14] <javalon> yes
[02:14] <javalon> only don't want can click with the touchpad... the rest is correctly
[02:14] <Pozac> ok ok
[02:15] <Pozac> just wanted to make sure that the right driver was being used and all :) it should be possible
[02:15] <javalon> synaptics
[02:15] <Pozac> javalon, sudo apt-get install tpconfig
[02:15] <Pozac> maybe
[02:16] <javalon> yes, i have
[02:16] <Pozac> ok
[02:16] <javalon> i put in 0
[02:16] <javalon> but not rule
[02:16] <javalon> :(
[02:16] <Pozac> how about the output of lsmod |grep evdev
[02:17] <javalon> one second
[02:17] <javalon> 9088 l
[02:18] <Pozac> javalon, did you do 'sudo tpconfig -t 0' ?
[02:19] <javalon> umm, no, i edit /etc/tpconfig
[02:19] <javalon> but... i probe now xD
[02:19] <Pozac> ok :)
[02:20] <Pozac> javalon, man tpconfig
[02:20] <carajean> hello room
[02:21] <kingsley> What's the most user friendly application for watching movies on DVDs?
[02:22] <rcouto> hi all
[02:22] <javalon> fatal:
[02:22] <javalon> No Synaptics or ALPS touchpad device found
[02:22] <javalon> ouch!
[02:22] <imka> kingsley totem-xine. make sure you have libdvdcss from c. marillat's source
[02:22] <rcouto> does anybody knows if ubuntu plans to add support to autopackage, once it reaches 1.0?
[02:24] <kingsley> imka: What do you think of mplayer?
[02:24] <carajean> does anyone wanna help a newb out
[02:24] <carajean> ??
[02:26] <kebac> carajean: what's your problem
[02:27] <ogra> carajean: we dont know, if you dont ask :)
[02:27] <ogra> rcouto: what is autopackage ?
[02:27] <Se7h> sorry
[02:28] <rcouto> ogra, it is supposed to be a layer over package management apps, like apt or rpm
[02:28] <rcouto> that would be independent of distribution
[02:29] <rcouto> and have some pretty sweet long term goals
[02:29] <rcouto> check it: http://autopackage.org/ui-vision.html
[02:29] <carajean> um i am so new to linux its not funny i just installed it today and need so help installin java and just installing other programs
[02:30] <ogra> rcouto: i dont think so, but launchpad (another company project of canonical) has a similar approach for the automated creation of packages from source https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/
[02:31] <carajean> but i dont know where to go to access the files i download to install them
[02:32] <ogra> carajean: grab the java package from there: http://wiki.arslinux.com/Ubuntu#Java_1.5
[02:32] <theNeonGod> can't get gruler to compile in ubuntu... installed build-essential. error:
[02:32] <theNeonGod> .././mkinstalldirs: .././mkinstalldirs: No such file or directory
[02:32] <theNeonGod> make[1] : *** [install-data-yes]  Error 127
[02:32] <rcouto> ogra, the thing that got my attention about autopackage is the potential use cases that it have
[02:33] <ogra> carajean: move it to your homefolder, then open a terminal and type: sudo dpkg -i sun-j2sdk1.5_1.5.0_i386.deb
[02:33] <rcouto> i specially liked the drag a .desktop (with extra package meta info) from a web page to the gnome panel to install an app :)
[02:34] <ogra> rcouto: there is something similar in hoary soon....
[02:34] <rcouto> !!!!
[02:34] <rcouto> i am looking forward to it then! :)
[02:35] <carajean> ok how do i move it to my home folder??? and where is it originally stored??
[02:35] <ogra> rcouto: but with some more control from the package managerr, no drag n drop from websites though
[02:35] <kingsley> imka: Typing "totem-xine /dev/dvd" says "There is no plugin to handle this movie." Suggestion(s)?
[02:35] <ogra> carajean: it should appear on your desktop after download
[02:35] <carajean> oh ok
[02:36] <ogra> carajean: your homefolder is the first item in the computer menu
[02:37] <carajean> ok is it a drag and drop type move???
[02:37] <rcouto> ogra, is it possible for us mortals to help with this rosetta project? i can help a bit with portuguese translations
[02:37] <ogra> carajean: before you install the package make sure multiverse is enabled in synaptic
[02:37] <rcouto> :)
[02:38] <ogra> carajean: yep
[02:38] <ogra> rcouto: sure, everyone can help
[02:39] <ogra> rcouto: there will also be other programs in the launchpad...really great stuff, a version control system that cares for your sourcecode and creates packages for all distros automatically
[02:40] <ogra> rcouto: an really easy to use bugtracking system .... etc
[02:40] <rcouto> o_o
[02:41] <ogra> rcouto: malone, soyuz and bazaar ....
[02:41] <rcouto> ogra, i couldn't find a way to register there... is it already accepting contributors?
[02:42] <ogra> rcouto: i think so... never tried though
[02:42] <carajean> ok where in in synaptic is multiverse
[02:43] <ogra> rcouto: just log in.....
[02:43] <Kamion> bazaar and rosetta are the only public launchpad projects as yet
[02:43] <Kamion> bazaar is kind of loosely connected
[02:44] <rcouto> it is popping me a basic http login dialog
[02:44] <ogra> carajean: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-20.3414506543
[02:44] <Kamion> there was an announcement about rosetta sent to ubuntu-announce, see that
[02:44] <rcouto> thx
[02:44] <Kamion> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2004-December/000007.html
[02:45] <Kamion> still early days :)
[02:46] <ChrisC_> hey, stupid question:  how do I enable ftpd (ftp file serving) on Ubuntu?
[02:46] <rcouto> ooh... it's the same login to order the cds...
[02:47] <ogra> ChrisC_: install a ftp server (any ...ftpd)
[02:48] <ChrisC_> so none are builtin, not even a barebones ftpd, I need to pick and install one?
[02:48] <ogra> ChrisC_: yep.... thats for security reasons....
[02:49] <calc> is there anything you have to do to make gnome 2.9.3 not make the items in the taskbar really small?
[02:49] <dudio> fsck, rosetta is borked today as well...
[02:49] <calc> they used to be bigger
[02:50] <dudio> or it might just be this translation thats borked...
[02:50] <calc> now they just show the icon and one letter
[02:50] <dudio> its weird, on warty gnome showed longer taskbar entries with more text for me
[02:50] <dudio> in hoary its just like calc said
[02:51] <calc> it also added grouping which is fine
[02:51] <calc> like kde and winxp have
[02:51] <Seq> calc: right click on the task applet, and increase the minimal size
[02:51] <carajean> ok i downloaded the file but dont see it in desktop but i do see another java file i downloaded but its a bin but it is in the home folder will it work the same
[02:51] <ogra> dudio, calc: look in bugzilla.... if there is not already one, file one :I
[02:51] <Seq> calc: im not sure why the display behaviour changed either
[02:51] <ogra> :)
[02:52] <calc> Seq: the minimal size adjusts the size of the taskbar itself not the items in it
[02:52] <dudio> im really not fond of grouping myself...
[02:52] <ogra> carajean: i dont know what you downloaded before....
[02:52] <Seq> calc it should adjust the size of the items in it too when you start setting the size big enough
[02:52] <calc> er well i don't really want a huge taskbar, just items being a bit wider
[02:52] <calc> like eg 2.9.2
[02:53] <dudio> i figure its hoary specific
[02:53] <erich> Anyone here running hoary with an ATI mobility? Can you run "glxgears"?
[02:53] <Seq> yeah, and im not sure why the behaviour changed. right now i set the minimum size to the full size of the panel, and it just keeps dividing it as neccessary
[02:53] <Seq> erich: i am
[02:53] <mojo> Can someone tell me what's wrong with nvidia driver in the latest Hoary??
[02:54] <erich> because i can run for example the "skyrocket" screensaver accelerated, but glxgears locks up my system
[02:54] <mojo> I can't run glxgears
[02:54] <calc> Seq: huh? the size adjust is how big vertically to use for the taskbar
[02:54] <calc> so you make the taskbar the fullsize of your screen?
[02:54] <carajean> um jre-1_5_0_01-linux-i586.bin
[02:54] <mojo> It all the times said fail RGB display 0:0 blah blah...
[02:54] <ogra> carajean: you need the file from the page i gave you, this is built for ubuntu
[02:54] <dudio> im so not used to having a decent graphics card heh
[02:54] <erich> mojo: can you run other opengl apps?
[02:54] <carajean> ok i will try and find it
[02:54] <crimsun> mojo: nothing's wrong with the nvidia driver.
[02:54] <dudio> my dear old voodoo3 used to score 3-10fps on glxgears :D
[02:55] <ogra>  carajean: the name is sun-j2sdk1.5_1.5.0_i386.deb
[02:55] <erich> mojo: try /usr/lib/xscreensaver/skyrocket - odes that work?
[02:55] <dudio> now im getting 60fps on maximized size
[02:55] <mojo> crimsun: I can't run glxgears any more
[02:55] <crimsun> mojo: sudo ln -sf /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.so.1.0.6629 /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.a
[02:55] <dudio> which is great compared
[02:55] <Seq> erich: apparently i can't run glxgears
[02:55] <Seq> erich: it seems to have frozen xorg on me
[02:56] <mojo> crimsun: Still, here what I got
[02:56] <mojo> root@ubuntu:/home/mojo # glxgears
[02:56] <mojo> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[02:56] <mojo> glxgears: Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual.
[02:56] <crimsun> mojo: did you restart X Windows?
[02:56] <erich> Seq: but you are running pure hoary? because i'm running mostly debian unstable, so i don't want to file a bug.
[02:56] <mojo> yes
[02:56] <Seq> erich: yeah
[02:56] <crimsun> mojo: there's a bug for it on bugzilla; did you check there?
[02:56] <mojo> crimsun: are u sure nvidia solved in the latest release?
[02:57] <mojo> crimsun: yes, i did, no such of my bugs
[02:57] <erich> crimsun: can you still run glxgears with xorg and nvidia? because it doesn't work with ati
[02:57] <dudio> which reminds me, need to post a comment on a bug *_*
[02:57] <erich> xscreensavers i tested work, scorched3d works here, but not glxgears which locks up my box.
[02:58] <crimsun> erich: not with .8, no
[02:59] <Seq> thats bizarre. i'll have to try an opengl app to try that out
[02:59] <mp_> ermm, installer cannot get DHCP unless FLOPPY module is loaded?!? huh?? how come?
[03:00] <erich> crimsun: what happens with nvidia, does it lock up xorg as well?
[03:00] <crimsun> nope, just sigsegv glxgears
[03:00] <erich> daniels: glxgears locks up xorg on ati, segfaults on nvidia apparently.
[03:03] <ogra> erich: he is on holiday
[03:03] <dudio> hey, has anyone else experienced this bug? https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4910#c4
[03:03] <dudio> if anyone else has, it isnt user-specific
[03:03] <carajean> for some reason it is still not in the desktop folder nothing is in there
[03:04] <dudio> carajean, what isnt on the desktop?
[03:04] <ogra> carajean: did it probably download to your home folder ?
[03:04] <carajean> finally yes it did after the third download
[03:05] <ogra> carajean: ok, did you enable multiverse ?
[03:07] <carajean> yeah just like u said and i got an error somethin about dependency problems
[03:07] <carajean>  dependency problems prevent configuration of sun-j2sdk1.5:
[03:07] <carajean>  sun-j2sdk1.5 depends on sun-j2sdk1.5debian; however:
[03:07] <carajean>   Package sun-j2sdk1.5debian is not installed.
[03:07] <ogra> carajean: now run: sudo apt-get install sun-j2sdk1.5debian
[03:07] <carajean> oh ok
[03:08] <ogra> carajean: this should sort the errors.... and set up your environment for java and the browserplugin as well
[03:09] <carajean> cool thanks a lot ogra
[03:10] <ogra> carajean: you may also want to setup the universe repo, it has a lot of software: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-09-30.5359349801
[03:14] <killfill_> hey, how do i use xcompmgr?.. i just got it installed...
[03:14] <killfill_> how do i enable transparency and the shadows?.l.
[03:14] <ogra> killfill_: run it from a terminal
[03:15] <killfill_> yup.. got it running..
[03:15] <ogra> killfill_: i am sure you dont want it permanently
[03:15] <killfill_> but know what?..
[03:15] <ogra> yep
[03:15] <killfill_> does it slow thing down?..
[03:15] <ogra> _it_ is slow
[03:15] <killfill_> ok..
[03:15] <ogra> this wont change in the near future
[03:16] <killfill_> maybe i need support on the window manager?
[03:16] <carajean> ogra do i have to lug that in to mozilla
[03:16] <carajean> ??
[03:16] <ogra> carajean: are you using xchat ? just right click it then
[03:17] <killfill_> ogra, how do i make things transparent?....
[03:17] <killfill_> (i know has nothing to do with ubunto.. byt anyway.. 8)
[03:17] <carajean> i dont think im using xchat and how do i enable xchat so i can take the simple way
[03:17] <ogra> killfill_: with transset....which is in a similar state i think (didnt try it since weeks)
[03:18] <killfill_> transset?.. hm.
[03:18] <ogra> carajean: its the chat program from applications->internet (last point)
[03:18] <dudio> xchat is already in your applications menu carajean
[03:18] <dudio> yeah heh
[03:18] <carajean> oh yeah im going to hopefully install lime wire and cedega would u recommend somehting else
[03:18] <carajean> ok
[03:19] <dudio> all this helpfulness, twice as much as any normal linux channel heh
[03:19] <ogra> carajean: some mp3 codec ?
[03:19] <ogra> carajean: if you hear mp3....
[03:19] <dudio> ogg <3
[03:19] <punkrockguy318> mmm yes oggs are great
[03:20] <dudio> yes well, time to go sleep
[03:20] <carajean> yeah i have a lot of mp3s stored on another computer i would like to port over
[03:20] <dudio> so i dont sleep away chrismas tomorrow
[03:20] <ChrisC_> question: to restart a process, I do a 'kill -HUP processname', right?
[03:20] <ogra> carajean: if dont have mp3s use ogg, if you got existing mp3s: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:20] <dudio> or, today rather
[03:20] <dudio> ChrisC_, process ID not name
[03:20] <oxymor00n> why is this composite-thing so slow? apple showed it can be done quite fast..
[03:20] <ChrisC_> OK
[03:20] <mojo> oh
[03:20] <mojo> ppl
[03:20] <ogra> dudio: bah, only 3:20 am here
[03:20] <mojo> ppl
[03:20] <dudio> 'killall -HUP processname' could do that
[03:20] <mojo> can some1 help me on this
[03:20] <killfill_> ogra, when i execute xcompmgr, should i see something new?.. i.e. shadows?
[03:20] <mojo> can someone check for me pls
[03:21] <dudio> but if you're running multiple with the same name, you'll kill them all
[03:21] <mojo> whether libglademm2.4-dev base on python2.3??
[03:21] <ogra> killfill_: yep, if you run the unstable version of ubuntu (hoary ) with xorg
[03:21] <dudio> whether its depentent on, or based on mojo?
[03:21] <dudio> dependent even
[03:21] <mojo> dep
[03:22] <mojo> dep
[03:22] <killfill_> ogra, i would guess it depends on a window manager that support the extension?
[03:22] <ogra> killfill_: it only works with xorg, not with xfree86
[03:22] <killfill_> yah.. i got Xorg 681
[03:23] <ogra> killfill_: so you run hoary....
[03:23] <dudio> mojo, Depends: libglademm-2.4-1 (= 2.4.1-2), libglade2-dev (>> 1:2.4.0), libgtkmm-2.4-dev
[03:23] <killfill_> but with metacity-2.8.8
[03:23] <ogra> killfill_: you also use the xcompmgr ubuntu package ?
[03:23] <killfill_> well no actually.. i dont run ubuntu (dont hurt me!)
[03:24] <dudio> heh, smart one *_*
[03:24] <ogra> killfill_: so why do you think i could help you in here.... if you not even mention you run another distro ?
[03:24] <dudio> tomorrow you can go ask your local power tool shop how to ice skate
[03:24] <killfill_> ooh.. xcompmgr -c does it... 8)
[03:25] <mojo> hmm...libglade2-dev still dep on python2.3 which is very annoying for me
[03:25] <dudio> btw mojo, libglademm is the c++ wrapper for glade
[03:25] <dudio> nothing at all to do with python
[03:25] <killfill_> u ppl are so updated.. i hoped u could help me...  i use freebsd btw... not even linux.. 8)
[03:25] <ogra> heh
[03:25] <mojo> I know
[03:26] <mojo> dudio: no, the libglade2-dev still needs p3,
[03:26] <dudio> i remember using freebsd 4.5... damn it has some serious issues with X
[03:26] <ogra> killfill_: this isnt even linux....heh....
[03:26] <dudio> mojo, libglade2 yes, but not libglademm2
[03:26] <anselm_> Hi can someone help me with a problem?
[03:27] <dudio> freebsd crashed my x server all the time... and it did other unexpected things every single day
[03:27] <mojo> hehe, libglademm2 dep on libglade2, libglade2 dep on p3, then deduce libgladmm2 also dep on p3
[03:27] <Kamion> mojo: don't say "p3" please, it's absurdly confusing!
[03:27] <Kamion> it's 2.3, the 2. is not silent
[03:27] <mojo> k
[03:27] <mojo> Kamion: can u migrate it to p2.4?
[03:28] <crimsun> 18:19 <@crimsun> Host <IP_ADDRESS>.in-addr.arpa not found: 2(SERVFAIL)
[03:28] <crimsun> err, sorry
[03:28] <dudio> mojo, well yes, but you asked if libglademm did and i told you its dependencies... you couldnt expect me to traverse its dependency three infinitely for you :O
[03:28] <dudio> im not that kind heh
[03:28] <Kamion> you always do this, the first person to answer vaguely unrelatedly you ask them if they can make the change you want
[03:28] <Kamion> please don't :)
[03:28] <Kamion> technically I could but I don't know enough about glade to make sure I'm not breaking anything, so I'm not going to
[03:29] <anselm_> After my computer sets for awhile the cdrom won't open and when I press the button on the cdrom it freezes up the system have to do a cold reboot.
[03:29] <mojo> Kamion: I can do it, but can u submit for me? or provide me how to submit to the respo?
[03:29] <dudio> mojo, my consultant fee is $150/h
[03:29] <Kamion> send a patch to bugzilla
[03:29] <ogra> wow, cheap
[03:29] <dudio> anyway, this time i really am going to sleep
[03:29] <mojo> dudio: really? lol, I work here like an ox, coding and they only pay me $40/hr
[03:29] <dudio> ogra, depends on where in the world you live i suppose
[03:29] <mojo> Kamion: okey dokey
[03:30] <dudio> cheers folks
[03:30] <killfill_> does xcompmgr use sany kinf of DRI thing?..
[03:30] <ogra> dudio: on my last consulting job my company got 200euro/h for me (i only recieved my normal low fee)
[03:30] <killfill_> or its too slow becouse i dont have my dri working.. or itr just broken here..
[03:31] <dudio> ogra, im working for my own company, so i set my own price
[03:31] <ogra> dudio: which was reason enough to resign ;)
[03:31] <djuuss> ogra: that's life
[03:31] <dudio> not that i get much work... but still heh
[03:31] <dudio> the main point is that i enjoy it
[03:31] <dudio> so meh
[03:31] <ogra> djuuss: nope thats greed....
[03:31] <dudio> but really, i have to sleep
[03:31] <djuuss> ogra: those 2 aren't mutually exclusive
[03:32] <dudio> life [03:32] <djuuss> no
[03:32] <djuuss> life = greed
[03:32] <ogra> djuuss: i dont think that _any_ consulter is worth this high price
[03:32] <djuuss> ogra: i do, they are
[03:32] <killfill_> u guys run  xcompmgr -cfC ?..
[03:32] <djuuss> ogra: i run a company just like the one you used to work for ;)
[03:33] <ogra> djuuss: i doubt that
[03:33] <Quest-Master> Isn't that great
[03:33] <Quest-Master> Firefox just crashed again
[03:33] <Quest-Master> Almost third time today
[03:33] <djuuss> we get 220 euro/h for someone, we give them about 140/h
[03:33] <Quest-Master> I might be going for Epiphany, Galeon, or Opera soon. x_x
[03:34] <calc> 140/h is nice
[03:34] <mojo> I heard the new GApplet will merge netstatus applet, but I don't see any netstatus applet here unless I install seperate netstatus applet package
[03:34] <ogra> djuuss: which is more then 2800euro a month ;)
[03:34] <djuuss> ogra: thats why my employees aren't quitting
[03:34] <ogra> djuuss: and i really had to discuss about macdonalds bills
[03:34] <djuuss> ogra: but i still make about 200000 *profit* a month
[03:35] <djuuss> it's easy
[03:36] <djuuss> i have the connections, i open the doors. They have the know-how, they do the work
[03:36] <ogra> djuuss: currently im earning a bit more then i spend so i am fine... and i still think consulters are overvalued
[03:36] <djuuss> combine the two, and its a win-win situation
[03:36] <calc> value is based on what the market will bear
[03:37] <calc> if someone wants to pay 200E+/hr then that is the value, same as with pro sports
[03:37] <djuuss> ogra: perhaps they are in you opinion, but like calc said..
[03:37] <djuuss> your worth whatever people are willing to pay
[03:37] <djuuss> not whatever you think you're worth
[03:38] <calc> though i am surprised that you can still get that high a price, i guess europes economy is doing much better than the US
[03:38] <ogra> djuuss: i am worth what i want them to pay, else i dont work for them....
[03:38] <djuuss> calc: it isn't
[03:38] <calc> so how do you get that much if there is a glut of tech workers ;)
[03:38] <calc> very specialized work?
[03:39] <ogra> calc: my last consulting job is 3 years ago....
[03:39] <djuuss> ogra: if they are paying it, thats what you're worth. If they'll pay more, you're worth more. In our business, that's the first rule of profit
[03:39] <ogra> calc: the price applies to this time....
[03:39] <calc> ogra: ok
[03:40] <sm> hi.. does anyone know a fix for hung blank panel at startup in recent hoary ?
[03:40] <ogra> djuuss: its not all about price....
[03:40] <sm> it's driving me batty
[03:40] <calc> i may start doing consulting work soon since i am having a hard time finding regular work
[03:40] <Cloudchaser_> hiya
[03:40] <Cloudchaser_> happy holidays to everyone!
[03:40] <calc> sm: did you make sure to kill all the processes for the user after logging out?
[03:40] <calc> gnome seems to get stuck often
[03:40] <djuuss> if you work for me, you tell me what you want to earn. I'll get you an assignment, but if i can't make the difference i'm not going to put you on my payroll.
[03:40] <anselm_> Cloudchaser,  Merry X-mas
[03:41] <ogra> djuuss: i dropped well paied jobs because i didnt want to do the work they wanted me to do (i am about to do it rightnow again)
[03:41] <Cloudchaser_> hey i have a question
[03:41] <sm> it happens after a reboot also
[03:41] <Cloudchaser_> if i go into network i see all the computers on my network
[03:41] <Cloudchaser_> but...i can't access them
[03:41] <djuuss> have them share their files
[03:41] <Cloudchaser_> i'm trying to set up samba and i did the smbpasswd thing
[03:41] <Cloudchaser_> they are all sharing
[03:41] <Cloudchaser_> but it says i don't have permission to browse them
[03:42] <Cloudchaser_> do i have to set a user with my name on their pc's?
[03:42] <ogra> Cloudchaser_: got the right username and pw ?
[03:42] <djuuss> you could
[03:42] <Cloudchaser_> it doesn't ask me for a user/pw even
[03:42] <Cloudchaser_> which i thought it should
[03:42] <ogra> Cloudchaser_: hmm, hoary or warty ?
[03:43] <Cloudchaser_> warty
[03:43] <djuuss> connect from commandline with usr/pw as params?
[03:43] <Cloudchaser_> i thought.. maybe it was samba not set up right?
[03:43] <Cloudchaser_> i'm reading the how to
[03:43] <ogra> Cloudchaser_: samba is a server....
[03:43] <Cloudchaser_> oh..so they can connect to me?
[03:43] <ogra> Cloudchaser_: you want client access
[03:43] <djuuss> yeah
[03:43] <ljlane> What is ubuntu using to automatically mount floppy disks?
[03:44] <djuuss> get the smb-client :)
[03:44] <Cloudchaser_> oh ok
[03:44] <ogra> Cloudchaser_: if your samba conf is right....
[03:44] <ogra> Cloudchaser_: ...they can connect to you
[03:44] <djuuss> guys i'm out
[03:44] <ogra> djuuss: night :)
[03:44] <djuuss> merry xmas
[03:44] <Cloudchaser_> g'night and merry merry!
[03:44] <ogra> djuuss: yep...was about to say that
[03:44] <djuuss> bye
[03:45] <calc> floppies don't get automounted afaict
[03:46] <Cloudchaser_> ok i have smbclient installed
[03:46] <Cloudchaser_> it was installed already
[03:46] <oxymor00n> does anyone know how usplash is progressing? couldn't find much about it on the wiki
[03:47] <lathiat> Hi guys -- I want to file a bug against gnome-core-devel because it depends on libnautilus2-dev and ubuntu only has libnautilus-extensions-dev which replaces it but this causes gnome-devel to be uninstallable -- but theres no gnome-devel or gnome-core-devel package in ubuntu bugzilla -- should i file it against libnautilus2-dev ?
[03:47] <Cloudchaser_> ok i have to set up a mount point for each share?
[03:47] <ogra> oxymor00n: look on the conference pges in the wiki, there was a talk
[03:47] <ed_gein> hello
[03:47] <oxymor00n> ogra: k, thanks.
[03:48] <ogra> lathiat: hoary ?
[03:48] <ed_gein> How do you determine the alsa device name?
[03:49] <faxons> does the warty powerpc install have support for apple G5's?
[03:49] <ogra> Cloudchaser_: you could do that...
[03:49] <Cloudchaser_> this is very confusing
[03:49] <Cloudchaser_> if the pc's show in the browser for the network
[03:49] <lathiat> ogra: yeh
[03:49] <Cloudchaser_> why do that if you have to go through all that other stuff
[03:49] <Cloudchaser_> i thought it would...ask for pw and then let me access it
[03:50] <ogra> lathiat: look if its already there, else file it
[03:50] <lathiat> ogra: it wasnt there, i checked, my problem is what package should if ile it under
[03:50] <lathiat> since theres no 'package' for gnome-devel or gnome-core-devel in bugzilla
[03:50] <ogra> Cloudchaser_: tra it with ctrl-L and give it: smb://computer/share/
[03:50] <ogra> try
[03:51] <Cloudchaser_> hmm i can't ping him by name
[03:51] <Cloudchaser_> i need samba to do..wins i think
[03:51] <ogra> Cloudchaser_: just the windows name
[03:51] <Cloudchaser_> i haven't set up samba in sooo long
[03:51] <ogra> Cloudchaser_: look at nmblookup
[03:51] <ogra> Cloudchaser_: it can show you the names
[03:52] <ogra> lathiat: if in doubt leave it to the devs, normally there should be a gnome-core-devel in bugzilla
[03:52] <lathiat> ogra: 'the devs'?
[03:53] <ogra> lathiat:  leave it to the devs means dont choose one or choose one nearby
[03:53] <lathiat> oh right
[03:53] <lathiat> would make sense to file against libnautilus2-dev ?
[03:53] <Cloudchaser_> ok i tried that and it wants a flag/option
[03:53] <ogra> lathiat: or libnautilus-extensions-dev
[03:54] <lathiat> ogra: that one doesnt exist either, checked that :)
[03:54] <ogra> Cloudchaser_: i dont know the options, you will have to look at the manpage (no windows around)
[03:54] <lathiat> ogra: thanks for your help
[03:56] <lathiat> ogra: sorry one more q, do i need to indicate hoary anywhere? [cant see where]
[03:56] <ogra> lathiat: do it in the description
[03:56] <Cloudchaser_> looking at the man page but not sure what to do...
[03:57] <ogra> lathiat: i think you can file it for gnome-desktop and mention that the dev package is missing
[03:58] <|QuaD-> Kamion: you are the greatest!
[03:59] <ogra> Cloudchaser_: i just remember -M and a weird combo of dashes....
[04:01] <Cloudchaser_> hehe
[04:01] <Cloudchaser_> i'm editing smb.conf to do wins support
[04:01] <Cloudchaser_> that might help some too
[04:01] <ogra> Cloudchaser_: only if there i a wins server
[04:01] <ogra> is
[04:01] <Cloudchaser_> samba will be the wins server
[04:01] <Cloudchaser_> it can be a wins client or server
[04:02] <ogra> Cloudchaser_: then you will need a file with the names i guess ?
[04:02] <Cloudchaser_> i'll set it to be wins server then i don't have to worry about host files and all that since the pc's are all dhcp
[04:02] <Cloudchaser_> no i shouldn't need a host file if wins is working
[04:03] <ogra> Cloudchaser_: ah, ok.... my samba time is some years ago.... no need for it in my home net :)
[04:03] <Cloudchaser_> ;) s'ok i am rusty too and appreciate any help
[04:04] <killfill_> ogra, ive just setup transparency...   i have a Q for you...  do u think moving windows around with this thins enable... is quick enought?
[04:05] <ogra> killfill_: not on the various implementations i saw until today
[04:05] <ogra> killfill_: how does it feel ?
[04:05] <killfill_> until today?... what did you saw?..
[04:05] <killfill_> slow as a cow... 8)
[04:05] <Rotund> Can someone help me compile a debian kernel?\
[04:05] <killfill_> could be becouse my DRI is not enable.. but i doubt its a dri thing?
[04:06] <Rotund> My big thins is I don't understand how to apply the debian patches
[04:06] <killfill_> Rotund, doesn debian had a special utility?.. like kpkg-something?
[04:06] <Rotund> killfill_: yup
[04:06] <ogra> killfill_: i tried it from the first release on freedesktop with kdrive instead of xfree until today repeatedly every some monts
[04:06] <Rotund> you still have to apply your own packages
[04:06] <ogra> months
[04:07] <ogra> Rotund: nope, not if you use the right source package
[04:07] <Rotund> so, I unzip the <IP_ADDRESS> src and then want to apply the <IP_ADDRESS>-14 debian patches
[04:07] <Rotund> ogra, I don't have to apply the ubuntu/debian patches to the source tree first?
[04:07] <ogra> Rotund: why dont you just use the linux-source- <IP_ADDRESS> package ?
[04:08] <killfill_> kdrive.. didnt knew that one...
[04:08] <Rotund> I did.  Isn't that the pristine one?
[04:08] <ogra> Rotund: the ubuntu packages already contain the patchsets
[04:08] <Cloudchaser_> grr none of the nmblookups i'm trying works
[04:08] <Rotund> oh.  then damn.  nevermind
[04:08] <Rotund> =)
[04:08] <killfill_> oh.. u just meant.. its slow.. 8)
[04:08] <ogra> Rotund: vanilla is called kernel-source-x.x.x
[04:09] <Rotund> ahhh
[04:09] <ogra> killfill_: nope, its the former tinyX
[04:09] <ogra> killfill_: it is just a vesa driver
[04:10] <ogra> killfill_: so the driver itself is slow, additional to the slowness of transset or xcompmgr
[04:10] <killfill_> aah.. yah. well i was refering just to the transset thing
[04:10] <killfill_> now i get why its tunerd off by default.. 8)
[04:11] <ogra> killfill_: it has improved over time, but it will not be usable before summer i think
[04:11] <ogra> killfill_: but dont tale me to serious.... i am just guessing
[04:11] <killfill_> the macosx equivalente is much more quick, isnit?. the idea is to more or less matxh that speed?  (ive never use pac btw)
[04:11] <killfill_> mac
[04:12] <ogra> killfill_: in my time assumptions
[04:12] <killfill_> sure.. 8)
[04:13] <|QuaD-> where is the ubuntu torrent? i want to mirror it
[04:13] <|QuaD-> or seed it
[04:13] <|QuaD-> whatever you call it
[04:13] <oxymor00n> summer.. maybe by then sarge will be released, and we'll get xorg-packages for debian
[04:14] <|QuaD-> is sid using xorg yet?
[04:14] <oxymor00n> o
[04:14] <zenwhen> nope
[04:14] <oxymor00n> no
[04:14] <|QuaD-> oh ok
[04:14] <zenwhen> theres unofficial packages
[04:14] <|QuaD-> anyone know where the ubuntu torrent is?
[04:14] <zenwhen> on the internet
[04:15] <|QuaD-> zenwhen: where on ubuntulinux.org
[04:15] <|QuaD-> i looked
[04:15] <oxymor00n> unofficial packages tend to break things..
[04:15] <zenwhen> not in my experiences
[04:15] <zenwhen> you cant sit around aiting for your distro devs to provide everything you want
[04:16] <|QuaD-> zenwhen: so far, ubuntu hoary is :)
[04:16] <|QuaD-> normally i use tons of unofficial packages
[04:16] <|QuaD-> i haven't needed to with ubuntu
[04:16] <zenwhen> I cant run hoary.
[04:16] <|QuaD-> why?
[04:16] <zenwhen> I cant deal with the bugginess I have heard of.
[04:16] <jdub> zenwhen: that's why you *become* a developer. saves wasting time on *anything* unofficial.
[04:16] <killfill_> |QuaD-, thats why i like ubuntu.. 8)
[04:16] <zenwhen> I hope it gets sorted out enough soon.
[04:17] <|QuaD-> zenwhen: ahh
[04:17] <jdub> zenwhen: the bugs will only be found and fixed if there are people finding and fixing them...
[04:17] <oxymor00n> i use debian, but i've recommended ubuntu to some people, so i follow development.
[04:17] <zenwhen> Oh, If I need something I pull it from sid, or build it.
[04:18] <|QuaD-> zenwhen: why not pull it from hoary?
[04:18] <zenwhen> I just cant be arsed to run a dev distro on my main machine. I am building a machine to run hoary on soon.
[04:18] <zenwhen> Because I get less breakage with Sid packages.
[04:18] <zenwhen> xorg was nice from hoary
[04:18] <zenwhen> I had no issues with it
[04:19] <zenwhen> but Had no reason to use it either
[04:19] <zenwhen> so I went back to xfree
[04:19] <|QuaD-> now my question is, when are the gnome menus going to stay constant, they change like daily
[04:19] <lathiat> hmm hoary ugprade stomped on the menus crossover installed
[04:19] <zenwhen> When they can make most people happy, i figure they will stick with something.
[04:19] <killfill_> guys.. ubuntu does patch gnome things right.. like the menus.. and the logout window..
[04:20] <killfill_> where cna i get thouse patches?
[04:20] <killfill_> like to port them to my-os?..
[04:21] <ogra> |QuaD-: thats the nature of desktop development :)
[04:21] <|QuaD-> ogra: heh... they just keep switching it back and forth
[04:21] <bur[n] er> anyone familiar with evolution working with exchange calendars??
[04:22] <ogra> |QuaD-: tht are unfixed apps i guess....
[04:22] <ogra> that
[04:22] <|QuaD-> ogra: yeah i know... i was just curious
[04:22] <killfill_> hm..
[04:22] <killfill_> ok
[04:23] <Quest-Master> So awesome: http://www.ferg.org/projects/python_java_side-by-side.html
[04:23] <jdub> |QuaD-: the basic design is already there (as proposed on ubuntu-devel)
[04:23] <|QuaD-> jdub: yeah... just changes a lot on us
[04:23] <jdub> |QuaD-: but there will always be minor changes as we move towards release
[04:23] <ragged> hi all
[04:23] <|QuaD-> jdub: i don't mind, more of just curious
[04:23] <jdub> |QuaD-: it has not been changing much since the proposed design landed.
[04:24] <|QuaD-> jdub: is the inclusion of the debian menu supposed to be there?
[04:24] <Quest-Master> jdub: Are you an Ubuntu developer?
[04:24] <jdub> |QuaD-: if menu-xdg is installed, you'll see it.
[04:24] <jdub> Quest-Master: yes.
[04:24] <Quest-Master> jdub: Cool. What do you do?
[04:24] <jdub> release management, desktop team lead, etc.
[04:25] <Quest-Master> Ah, neat.
[04:25] <Quest-Master> I want to become an Ubuntu developer. :)
[04:25] <Quest-Master> Somehow. :P
[04:25] <jdub> there's info in the wiki about it
[04:25] <zenwhen> I could run warty forever.
[04:25] <zenwhen> It just works so well.
[04:26] <zenwhen> lol
[04:26] <ogra> Quest-Master: so vome, join us: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MaintainerCandidates
[04:26] <ogra> come
[04:26] <ragged> is there a way to install ubuntu without burning the iso on the cd? but have it boot from the hd? or like..having a boto floppy that'll let me browse to the cd iso image and start it?
[04:28] <|QuaD-> ragged: thats asking a lot
[04:29] <ogra> zenwhen: you havent seen what hoary will bring ;)
[04:29] <zenwhen> ;)
[04:30] <Quest-Master> ogra: You a developer too? ;)
[04:30] <zenwhen> Maybe I will toss in some help maintaining some packages at some point.
[04:30] <floam> just curious, what gcc compiler options are used for the AMD64 packages, is there some convention?
[04:30] <zenwhen> I dont do anything else.
[04:31] <ogra> Quest-Master: i'm number three on the candidates page ;)
[04:32] <Quest-Master> :D
[04:32] <zenwhen> So do you have to be accepted?
[04:32] <zenwhen> and have you been?
[04:32] <Quest-Master> I want to add some packages.. most of them are built through scons though.. plus, I've no idea how to build a .deb as of yet. x_x
[04:32] <ogra> zenwhen: it depends what your goals are :)
[04:33] <ogra> if you just want to contribute to universe its pretty easy.....
[04:33] <zenwhen> I thnk I woud like to maintain MPD and packages for all its front ends.
[04:33] <zenwhen> think*
[04:33] <ogra> i want i the core team, as i am interested in a lot packages in main which has a higher threshold
[04:34] <carajean> ok im back and again with problems, i cant get cedega to work properly
[04:34] <Quest-Master> ogra: Any guides on how to build .debs? And how to build .debs for software built with scons? :)
[04:34] <ogra> Quest-Master, zenwhen: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NewDevelopersAndMaintainers
[04:34] <zenwhen> carajean, #cedega
[04:34] <carajean> cool thats actually a channel
[04:34] <Cloudchaser_> ok here's the question...do i have to mount a network share in order to access it if i have samba set up?
[04:35] <jdub> Quest-Master: debian's new maintainer guide. scons doesn't change much in the scheme of things.
[04:35] <Quest-Master> :D
[04:36] <theNeonGod> is there no j2re package for ubuntu?
[04:36] <|QuaD-> theNeonGod: read the wiki
[04:37] <|QuaD-> or www.ubuntuguide.org
[04:37] <Quest-Master> jdub: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-first.en.html#s-getit -- it says to use dh_make
[04:37] <Quest-Master> jdub: Is there something like dh_scons? :)
[04:38] <jdub> Quest-Master: different context, that's 'debhelper make'
[04:38] <ogra> Quest-Master: why not learn it the "native" way and leave scons behind ?
[04:38] <jdub> nothing to do with gnu make
[04:38] <jdub> ogra: scons is used by the software he's packaging
[04:38] <ogra> oh
[04:39] <Quest-Master> Yeah
[04:39] <jesusantonio> alguien habla espaol?
[04:39] <Quest-Master> Nope, I don't speak espanol ;)
[04:39] <jesusantonio> somebody speak spanish?
[04:39] <Quest-Master> jdub: Oh.
[04:39] <jesusantonio> ok
[04:40] <jesusantonio> I need some help?
[04:40] <ogra> jesusantonio: nobody in #ubuntu-es ?
[04:40] <Triple5> ogra, tu hablas espanol?
[04:40] <Quest-Master> http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-modify.en.html <-- it's all make stuff :(
[04:40] <ogra> Triple5: nope
[04:40] <Triple5> es ? = espanoll
[04:40] <ogra> Quest-Master: make is the essential bit
[04:40] <theNeonGod> |QuaD-, very helpful thanks. do you know if the apps listed here will have more of an automated install/setup in future versions? so many of them are so useful.
[04:41] <jdub> Quest-Master: that's the rules file format, nothing to do with how your software is built
[04:41] <ogra> Triple5: there used to be a channel called #ubuntu-es
[04:41] <Cloudchaser_> ok according to the samba how to in the wiki
[04:41] <jdub> Quest-Master: you're confusing the packaging system with the software build system - they're totally separate
[04:41] <Cloudchaser_> i should be getitng prompted for a username and password
[04:41] <Cloudchaser_> when i try to browse shares
[04:41] <Triple5> OH
[04:41] <ogra> Quest-Master: you should know about make and what it does for building debs
[04:41] <Cloudchaser_> but i'm not..it just tells me i don't have permisisong to browse them
[04:42] <jesusantonio> mm...nobody want to help me in #ubuntu-es
[04:42] <Triple5> i just upgraded to hoary everything went fine and menus are different and stuff very nice :) and I notice i have kernel 2.6.9-1now it seems to run better than warty phew!
[04:44] <jesusantonio> how can I go back to Windows XP, I installed Ubuntu in a second partition, but Ubuntu don't let me choose what operative system start
[04:45] <theNeonGod> jesusantonio, google up grub.conf editing
[04:45] <Triple5> how do I get grub loader or something
[04:45] <jesusantonio> ok
[04:46] <theNeonGod> jesusantonio, or you can press escape at startup to get to the grub menu... dont know if ubuntu creates an option to boot into XP if it's there or not
[04:46] <Triple5> well i do have grub but i have no boot splash or nothing just text
[04:46] <oxymor00n> are there plans about inclusion of beagle?
[04:46] <Triple5> TheIconoclast, wasssuuupp where do I know u from hmm ..
[04:47] <zenwhen> isnt beagle mono?
[04:47] <ogra> theNeonGod: normally it does
[04:47] <oxymor00n> yes it is
[04:48] <zenwhen> well that would require including mono
[04:48] <zenwhen> which I dont see happening
[04:48] <ogra> jesusantonio: try this: http://www.grawert.net/software/startup-settings/
[04:48] <ogra> hm... to late
[04:49] <oxymor00n> zenwhen: that's why i'm asking :)
[04:50] <Triple5> I see ubuntu is no longer what it use to be a month ago
[04:50] <zenwhen> I dont see Mono being included since Microsoft really hasn't said they arnt going to cause trouble over it.
[04:50] <Spug> Grargh. I have to kill X, because some X process is keeping a device busy so I can't unmount it. Someone gave me a process to kill, but every time I kill it it starts X up again.
[04:51] <jdub> oxymor00n: we're actively tracking its progress
[04:52] <Cloudchaser_> does anyone at all here have samba and smbclient working?
[04:52] <zenwhen> If I could download an ISO and upgrade to hoary from it right now I would try it.
[04:52] <Cloudchaser_> in rh9 it was easy but it just isn't working for me in ubuntu..not sure what i'm doing wrong
[04:52] <zenwhen> But I am on dialup.
[04:53] <zenwhen> I cant really just apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:53] <zenwhen> but I can go download the iso somewhere
[04:53] <jesusantonio> somebody who can help me to get back to windows, I have been trying in the Grub Menu, but it's not there
[04:53] <oxymor00n> jdub: i was asking, cause i've read something on a ML that novell wants to include it in one of the next SuSE-release..
[04:56] <jesusantonio> please, I'm so worry to get back to windows, but there's not way
[04:56] <Spug> Hey, how do I kill Gnome to get into an X-less terminal?
[04:57] <oxymor00n> Spug: ctrl-alt-f1 ?
[04:58] <jesusantonio> nobody help here :(
[05:00] <ogra> jesusantonio: try this: http://www.grawert.net/software/startup-settings/
[05:00] <Crane> hello and heck yea so far so good
[05:00] <Crane> only other prob to deal with is samba
[05:00] <ogra> jesusantonio: add the repository as described on : http://www.grawert.net/software/ to synaptic, reload and install the app
[05:01] <Crane> which just laughs at me
[05:01] <Crane> :)
[05:01] <Crane> how is everyone tonight
[05:02] <Crane> oops
[05:02] <jesusantonio> But I don't know how to start an application in Linux :(
[05:02] <jesusantonio> I'm so stupid in this
[05:03] <Crane> jesusantonio: what app?
[05:03] <ogra> jesusantonio: it adds itself below the computer->system settings menu
[05:03] <spug> Okay. So. Something is keeping my Windows partition busy so it can't be unmounted. Seems to be an X process. I'm now out of X, thanks, sitting in irssi in the terminal, but I have no idea what process is keeping the devide busy.
[05:03] <ogra> jesusantonio: system tools, sorry
[05:03] <Amroc> lamont, you alive?
[05:04] <oxymor00n> spug: try lsof, that gives you the process
[05:04] <jesusantonio> ogra, I got this file "startup_settings-targz
[05:04] <ogra> jesusantonio: no
[05:04] <ogra> jesusantonio: add the repository as described on : http://www.grawert.net/software/ to synaptic, reload and install the app
[05:06] <spug> oxymor00n: pretty. so if i find my windows partition to the right, that's the application using it? because if so, it's irssi, which i just started... and i couldn't unmount before that either
[05:07] <jesusantonio> mmm...I don't understand anything, I'm a Windows user who want to test Linux, and Someone who don't know to speak english good
[05:08] <ogra> jesusantonio: here is something with screenshots on how to add a repository: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[05:08] <Crane> ubuntu seems pretty darn nice
[05:08] <oxymor00n> spug: do you have a terminal open, where you are in the windows-directory?
[05:09] <oxymor00n> oh. gone. nice.
[05:09] <spug> Yeah, okay, quitting irssi didn't help at all :P
[05:10] <spug> I don't want to shut down without safely unmounting the partition, last time I did that I corrupted a lot of files
[05:10] <lamont__> Amroc: howdy!
[05:10] <lamont__> !
[05:10] <oxymor00n> spug: what says lsof <where your windows partition is>
[05:10] <spug> bash and irssi
[05:10] <spug> bash is because i'm attempting to unmount i guess
[05:10] <spug> and irssi, i have no idea, but i just quit it and that didn't help
[05:11] <lamont> moog
[05:12] <oxymor00n> wah, if my english was a little bit better.. but anyhow, i think you have a terminal open, where you sit in your windows-partition...
[05:12] <Amroc> lamont, whhere you been?
[05:13] <Amroc> orc3n, lamont__ where you been (depending on which compy ur at
[05:13] <Amroc> or*
[05:13] <Amroc> damn auto complete
[05:13] <Amroc> sorry orc3n
[05:14] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[05:14] <da_bon_bon> i have a problem...
[05:15] <lamont> Amroc: spain the last 2 weeks, and otherwise just plain crazyh
[05:15] <Amroc> just ask, my guess is someone in here will be able to have a guess
[05:15] <Amroc> lamont, oh you gonna go to the lock-in at the dojo? its newyears night
[05:15] <da_bon_bon> whenever iu start ubuntu it gives "Modprobe: error: fatal: " and then something about pciehp and shcphc
[05:15] <da_bon_bon> whenever iu start ubuntu it gives "Modprobe: error: fatal: " and then something about pciehp and shcphc
[05:16] <Amroc> da_bon_bon, did you have problems staying up without it slowing down? or did it just say those and run jsut fine?
[05:16] <Crane> has anyone had luck setting up samba?
[05:16] <oxymor00n> spug: ?
[05:17] <da_bon_bon> Amroc: no it just said those and run just fine.
[05:17] <Crane> When I select network it opens a window but nothing happens
[05:18] <Amroc> Ok, it shouldnt be a problem, i hope, i had those too when i tried ubuntu, then mine craped out on me... i was told those shouldnt make a diff
[05:19] <da_bon_bon> do i need to uninstall old firefox b4 installing v1 ?
[05:19] <declan> hello all
[05:19] <da_bon_bon> declan: ji
[05:19] <Crane> hello hows it going
[05:19] <da_bon_bon> declan: hi, i mean
[05:19] <declan> im great and yourself
[05:19] <Crane> good good
[05:20] <da_bon_bon> how do i uninstall firefox?
[05:20] <declan> was wondering if anyone knew the name of the packages for xine, when using apt-get
[05:20] <Colin_> apt-get remove --purge mozilla-firefox
[05:20] <Crane> How did you install it
[05:20] <Colin_> apt-get install xine
[05:20] <declan> doesn't work
[05:20] <da_bon_bon> Colin_: and then i can install FireFox 1 right?
[05:20] <da_bon_bon> Colin_: added the repositories?
[05:20] <Colin_> da_bon_bon, there are backproted packages of 1 for warty
[05:21] <Colin_> just install one of those
[05:21] <spug> oxymor00n: Hmm, I don't have any terminals accessing the win partition
[05:21] <Rotund> Colin_: can it be found on apt-get.org?
[05:21] <Colin_> declan, do you have the right respositories in your sources.list
[05:21] <Amroc> have you guys gotten live cd's to find the wireless card yet?
[05:21] <da_bon_bon> Colin_: how? i downloaded the complete 8mb one...
[05:21] <spug> oxymor00n: Maybe some unlisted X applications or something?
[05:21] <spug> I have no clue
[05:21] <declan> colin: I have no idea, how would i do that
[05:22] <Colin_> declan, go to the ubuntu website wiki, there are instructions
[05:22] <declan> thanks
[05:22] <Colin_> np
[05:22] <Colin_> da_bon_bon, someone here has the address
[05:22] <da_bon_bon> Colin_: i downloaded it already. anyway, what does the --purge do?
[05:23] <Colin_> removes config files
[05:23] <Colin_> da_bon_bon, http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/
[05:24] <da_bon_bon> whats that? ^^^
[05:24] <oxymor00n> spug: then what says lsof /path/to/your/windows-partition say exactly
[05:24] <Colin_> da_bon_bon, read it
[05:25] <da_bon_bon> Colin_: what are backports?
[05:25] <spug> oxymor00n: I have no idea how to copy-paste in bash... But it says bash and irssi are accessing it, bash probably being lsof itself?
[05:25] <Colin_> da_bon_bon, there is stable and unstable versions of ubuntu
[05:25] <Colin_> da_bon_bon, backports are versions of software that are in unstable....made usable in stable
[05:25] <da_bon_bon> ok
[05:25] <spug> oxymor00n: But I guess I'll just give up... It's 5:15 in the morning :P I'll just shut down without unmounting and hope for the best
[05:26] <Colin_> da_bon_bon, firefox 1 is in unstable
[05:26] <Colin_> da_bon_bon, the backport allows it to be installed in stable
[05:26] <Crane> how many users are listed here?
[05:27] <Colin_> 267
[05:27] <Crane> WoW
[05:27] <Crane> that what mine says, just checking
[05:27] <spug> oxymor00n: Thanks for the help :)
[05:27] <Crane> lots of peeps here
[05:31] <oxymor00n> linux is confusing sometimes..
[05:31] <Crane> lol
[05:31] <Crane> it can be
[05:32] <Crane> I' just learning ubuntu
[05:33] <Cloudchaser_> ok..i can connect to a share via command line..but still can't browse it in ubuntu's file viewer
[05:33] <|QuaD-> linux? cinfusing? nah
[05:33] <|QuaD-> thats link saying windows=stable
[05:33] <Cloudchaser_> and i can browse my linux pc from a windows pc
[05:34] <Crane> windows=stable .......muhahahahaha
[05:34] <oxymor00n> Cloudchaser_: yeah, it's possible, but... why? *grin*
[05:34] <|QuaD-> Crane: i was kidding :)
[05:34] <Cloudchaser_> what do you mean oxymor00n?
[05:34] <Crane> I know
[05:34] <Crane> :)
[05:35] <Cloudchaser_> i still can't browse the shares in ubunutu's network browser thingy
[05:35] <Cloudchaser_> i can see all the pc's in the network
[05:35] <Cloudchaser_> but when i go to look at it..it says i don't have permissions
[05:35] <Crane> Cloudchaser: you got farther than I did
[05:35] <Cloudchaser_> from command line i can connect to the windows share
[05:36] <Crane> I can't even see the computers:(
[05:36] <Cloudchaser_> and show the dir
[05:36] <Cloudchaser_> do you have samba installed?
[05:36] <Crane> yep
[05:36] <Cloudchaser_> and did you put them all in same workgroup?
[05:36] <Crane> yep
[05:36] <Cloudchaser_> in ubuntu's network settings it asks if you want o enable windows networking and all that
[05:36] <Crane> samba works on my other computer
[05:36] <oxymor00n> Cloudchaser_: ah, okay, i thought about something else
[05:37] <Cloudchaser_> ok to see windows shares from ubuntu you need smbclient
[05:37] <Cloudchaser_> to see linux shares from windows you need samba
[05:37] <Crane> got both
[05:37] <Cloudchaser_> then you have to set some configurations
[05:37] <Cloudchaser_> in the smb.conf
[05:37] <Crane> yep /etc/samba/smb.conf
[05:38] <Cloudchaser_> i wonder if the "network" browser isn't setting to my user/pw
[05:38] <carajean> anyone know how to partion in ubuntu and is it possible to partion a space for windows
[05:38] <Cloudchaser_> and the whole sudo thing is messing it up
[05:38] <Crane> what is the command line to access samba shares
[05:38] <Crane> is it smb://
[05:39] <Cloudchaser_> i also set up a username and pw in smbpasswd that is the same as what i log into the windows pc
[05:39] <lathiat> Crane: just goto network
[05:39] <lathiat> and under that, windows network
[05:39] <Crane> in command?
[05:39] <carajean> anyone about partitioning
[05:39] <lathiat> theres no command line browser like that
[05:39] <carajean> ??
[05:39] <Cloudchaser_> lathiat, i go there and see all my pc's on network but can't browse them
[05:39] <Crane> in gui it's not working
[05:40] <Cloudchaser_> one sec crane
[05:40] <lathiat> theres smbclient and stuff but it doesnt allo browsing
[05:40] <Cloudchaser_> getting the command
[05:40] <lathiat> so you can like
[05:40] <lathiat> smbclient //<IP_ADDRESS>/sharename
[05:40] <Crane> thanks
[05:40] <lordan> smbclient //host/share -U user
[05:41] <Cloudchaser_> smbclient //hose/share-Umyusername%mypassword
[05:41] <Cloudchaser_> i used that
[05:41] <Cloudchaser_> hose=host ;)
[05:41] <Cloudchaser_> then if you connect type "dir" without quotes
[05:41] <Crane> lol
[05:41] <Cloudchaser_> so then.lathiat
[05:41] <Cloudchaser_> if i can connect
[05:42] <lordan> Or if you want smbmount //host/share /mountpoint
[05:42] <Cloudchaser_> why can't i browse in the network/windows share window?
[05:42] <carajean> so i take it no one know how to partition
[05:43] <usual> man smoothwall is the shit
[05:43] <lordan> carajean, what do you want to know about partitioning?
[05:43] <Cloudchaser_> lordan, i can't mount the share with that command
[05:44] <Crane> I opened network in file browser but nothing... the toes are still moving
[05:44] <Crane> :)
[05:44] <lordan> Cloudchaser_, hmm.. it should work
[05:44] <carajean> i want to create a partition so i can install windows on a system which i already have linux installed
[05:44] <lordan> Don't have access to any winDOS boxes atm, so ..
[05:44] <Cloudchaser_>  $ sudo smbmount //chrisibm/chrisibmc /mnt/ChrisC
[05:44] <Cloudchaser_> Password:
[05:44] <Cloudchaser_> 16128: session setup failed: ERRDOS - ERRnoaccess (Access denied.)
[05:44] <Cloudchaser_> SMB connection failed
[05:45] <lathiat> add -o username=user,password=blah
[05:45] <lathiat> and read what the errors say, they do mean things
[05:45] <Crane> carajean: it's easier to install windows first
[05:45] <newbiewan> carajean, as I understand, Windows installation will wipe your Linux patitions and data.
[05:45] <carajean> yeah i did that before
[05:45] <Crane> carajean: windows likes to try to take the entire drive for itself
[05:46] <Cloudchaser_> ok that worked ;)
[05:46] <carajean> yeah lol
[05:46] <ctd> lathiat: -o password= is bad, unless it's scripted or something like that.
[05:46] <lathiat> You can install windwos aside linux fine
[05:46] <lathiat> ctd: oh it asks for the password doesn tit?
[05:46] <lathiat> meh
[05:46] <Cloudchaser_> still can't browse it from the windows network file viewer though
[05:46] <ctd> lathiat: yeah
[05:46] <carajean> so install windows then create a partition with.........anything out there that free????
[05:46] <lathiat> Cloudchaser_: yes none of thsoe thing speople have been describing have anything to do with fixing the windows browser
[05:46] <Cloudchaser_> ctd why is it ba?
[05:46] <Cloudchaser_> bad?
[05:47] <ctd> lathiat: Don't know about you, but I don't like having my passwords in ~/.bash_history
[05:47] <Cloudchaser_> lathiat, is it broken for everyone or just me?
[05:47] <lathiat> Cloudchaser_: just you
[05:47] <lathiat> ctd: yeh indeed
[05:47] <lathiat> ctd: ln -s ~/.bash_history /dev/null :)
[05:48] <newbiewan> carajean, pclinuxos livecd has partitioning software based on Mandrakelinux with nice graphical interface.
[05:48] <Cloudchaser_> so.. lathiat any idea how to fix it?
[05:48] <ctd> lathiat: or 20 other ways of avoiding .bash_history
[05:49] <lordan> Cloudchaser_, are you never able to connect using Nautilus, or it works sometimes?
[05:49] <newbiewan> carajean, start pclinuxos installation, get into the partitioning, make partitions resizing Windows partition and then exit without finishing installation.
[05:49] <carajean> so do i run this in linux but how do i keep windows from takin control
[05:49] <Cloudchaser_> lordan, never
[05:49] <Cloudchaser_> i just did most of samba configuration today though
[05:49] <Cloudchaser_> and from command line it all seems to be working
[05:49] <lordan> hm.. I have problems connecting to Windows shares 'from time to time'..
[05:49] <CheatersRealm> my box is still messed up from my botched upgrade to hoary :)
[05:50] <newbiewan> carajean, boot up into linux live cd, it controls the partitioning - after Windows is installed on the whole drive.
[05:50] <Cloudchaser_> including mounting the share with name instead of ip address
[05:50] <Cloudchaser_> so samba seems to be working ok
[05:50] <carajean> oh ok and this will work
[05:50] <CheatersRealm> can someone /msg me your .xinitrc ?
[05:50] <Crane> windows doesn't work well with others
[05:50] <Cloudchaser_> but
[05:50] <Cloudchaser_> i can't ping the pc by name for some reason
[05:51] <Cloudchaser_> one thing i don't like about ubuntu
[05:51] <Cloudchaser_> is there's no services gui
[05:51] <snipes420> does the ubuntu website have an image I can put on my website so that I can link to them?
[05:51] <newbiewan> I have done it making a Windows XP partition down from 40GB to 156 with the rest Mandrake, pclinuxos has the same software but only one CD.
[05:51] <Xenguy> snipes420: good idea
[05:52] <lordan> Cloudchaser_, there's a services gui in gnome-system-tools
[05:52] <newbiewan> carajean, you will make a swap partition and at leat two more: /  and /home.  That makes 4 including Windows.
[05:52] <lordan> Not sure why it's not in ubuntu.
[05:53] <Cloudchaser_> lordan, so i can apt get that?
[05:53] <lordan> More like compile g-s-t yourself.
[05:53] <carajean> ooooh ok so fresh install windows run livecd and then partition and install linux
[05:53] <Cloudchaser_> lordan, i found it in apt-cache search..i have to compile it myself?
[05:54] <lordan> Think I read someplace that the idea was that most users don't need to mess around with services.
[05:54] <lordan> g-s-t itself is in ubuntu
[05:54] <lordan> but only some of the tools
[05:54] <Cloudchaser_> thats a presumption that is wrong really
[05:54] <Cloudchaser_> because i don't mess with services but i want to be able to shut off things
[05:54] <Cloudchaser_> or start things
[05:54] <Cloudchaser_> simply
[05:55] <Cloudchaser_> oh
[05:55] <newbiewan> carajean, use one linux livecd to partition, then boot ubuntu or other linux to install. I used this method to clear out SuSE since pclinuxos has a nice partitioner. Then I put anopther Linux on for experimenting.
[05:55] <lordan> Cloudchaser_, I tend to agree.
[05:55] <Cloudchaser_> i don't think i have allthe stuff i need to compile htings
[05:55] <Cloudchaser_> and i won't have time for a bit to try it
[05:55] <lordan> having to update-rc.d blah blah blah gets on my nerves at times
[05:55] <lordan> especially when you upgrade stuff.
[05:55] <Cloudchaser_> but in the meantime..i can mount the shares from command and can't access them with the gui
[05:56] <Xenguy> snipes420: found this; not sure how useful it is: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Artwork
[05:56] <carajean> ok im slowly getting this since i just installed linux for the first time in my life this morning
[05:56] <lordan> Cloudchaser_, I do have that problem at times
[05:56] <snipes420> thanks Xenguy, that looks like what i was looking for :)
[05:57] <Cloudchaser_> i wonder if i restart and try it
[05:57] <lordan> but sometimes it works fine, albeit sloooooow
[05:57] <ChrisC_> hey does anyone know what the Ubuntu position is on Wine?  I see it's not an approved package in the repository.
[05:57] <Crane> I've gotCloudchaser: the same problem
[05:57] <Cloudchaser_> i remember back when i used kde file browser
[05:57] <Cloudchaser_> i had same sort of issue
[05:57] <Cloudchaser_> until i used the super user file browser
[05:57] <Cloudchaser_> so
[05:57] <Cloudchaser_> do you think its the whole sudo thing thats the issue?
[05:57] <lordan> hm.. that's interesting, I hardly ever had problems browsing the n/w in kde.
[05:58] <DeviantDog> anyone here have doom3 installed in ubuntu warty?
[05:58] <newbiewan> carajean, best to try a few, then set up something more stable for the longer term. I haven't installed ubuntu yet, got part way thru its install and stopped at the partitioning issue.
[05:58] <Cloudchaser_> i could browse it but couldn't write things
[05:58] <lordan> smb worked fine.. ssh (fish://) worked fine.
[05:58] <Xenguy> snipes420: this looks cool - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Picubuntu-recommended.png
[05:58] <lordan> Sounds like a permission issue on the other end then.
[05:58] <Cloudchaser_> the permissions of the shares in the gui are "root, root"
[05:58] <Cloudchaser_> well i'm not root
[05:59] <CheatersRealm> can someone please tell me what is in their .xinitrc?
[05:59] <CheatersRealm> (by default)
[05:59] <lordan> CheatersRealm, absolutely nothing
[05:59] <CheatersRealm> lordan, are you sure?
[05:59] <ChrisC_> DeviantDog:  I tried but gave up; it went into a weird X mode after the splash screen
[05:59] <CheatersRealm> cuz it loads that top and bottom bar thing
[05:59] <lordan> file doesn't even exist in my $HOME
[05:59] <ChrisC_> note: I'm a n00b
[06:00] <carajean> yeah i ran into that root cannot be found thing earlier when i tried to install linux in the ame partition it was in before i had to reformat windows
[06:00] <Cloudchaser_> lordan, its a windows pc and hmm let me set up a user named root
[06:00] <DeviantDog> I have it working I just can't get sound
[06:00] <carajean> me to chris
[06:00] <Cloudchaser_> but the pw..it would be my own pw?
[06:00] <CheatersRealm> lordan, thanks
[06:00] <ChrisC_> DeviantDog, what kind of video hardware do you have?
[06:01] <Ayden> Anybody know how i right click with the powerpc version of ubuntu?
[06:01] <Cloudchaser_> i guess i could post to the ubuntu forus
[06:01] <Cloudchaser_> forums
[06:01] <lordan> CheatersRealm, what problems are you facing there?
[06:01] <newbiewan> carajean, hang around here or at the ubuntu site - there may be a claer explaination how to dual install ubuntu, mean time, hope that helped.
[06:02] <DeviantDog> ati 9800 pro
[06:02] <lordan> CloudChaser, you need to specify the username of an account that exists on your windows box
[06:02] <lordan> and has write access to the share
[06:02] <Cloudchaser_> i did
[06:02] <Cloudchaser_> i made a user
[06:02] <Cloudchaser_> and gave them admin rights
[06:02] <lordan> and when you connect are you prompted for a password?
[06:03] <carajean> it did help thanks i will hang around im not givin up on linux yet plus it only been a day windows has been rapin me for years
[06:03] <ChrisC_> ah, I've got nvidia, funny thing is that nvidia is generally considered to work better on Linux than ATI.  Oh well.
[06:03] <DeviantDog> I wonder if anyone here has gotten sound out of Doom3?
[06:03] <Cloudchaser_> no prompt for password
[06:03] <Ayden> does anybody use ppc here?
[06:04] <carajean> how do i get limewire to completely close
[06:04] <lordan> Cloudchaser_, does it go straight on to tell you that you don't have permission instead?
[06:04] <Cloudchaser_> yes
[06:04] <Ayden> carajean, it's in the preferences
[06:04] <CheatersRealm> lordan, I can't seem to get the top and bottom bars to come up after I login.
[06:04] <CheatersRealm> what command should I run to try to start them manually?
[06:04] <lordan> CheatersRealm, a known problem
[06:04] <carajean> ok thanks
[06:05] <lordan> try gnome-panel & from a terminal and see what happens
[06:05] <lordan> you may get loads of annoying errors about "panel already running"
[06:05] <newbiewan> carajean, I made the break from Windows a year ago, clean break last Apr, this box is pure Linux. Tried about 20 livecds and several installs: Linspire, SuSE, MEPIS, PCLinuxOS. I'm on PCLinuxOS now. Have ubuntu ready...
[06:05] <Cloudchaser_> lordan remember i can mount the share from command line and view the file listings
[06:06] <lordan> Cloudchaser_, I also experience the same thing from time to time.
[06:06] <carajean> this is or was suppose to be cold turkey but i just bought world of warcraft and cant get cedega to work so i might go back for a minute
[06:06] <carajean> unless i can find a solution to that problem
[06:06] <lordan> It's never been a high-priority issue for me though
[06:07] <Cloudchaser_> right now its not working at all to even see the pc's
[06:07] <lordan> but i'll investigate
[06:07] <CheatersRealm> lordan, try command not found :)
[06:07] <Cloudchaser_> i have alot of files on a desktop pc
[06:07] <Cloudchaser_> this is a laptop
[06:07] <Cloudchaser_> so i like to have access to the files ;)
[06:07] <lordan> CheatersRealm, are you sure you have gnome-panel installed
[06:07] <Cloudchaser_> now i think i've messed something up even more
[06:07] <CheatersRealm> why do you think I needed to know the command to run the panels? :) it's apting now
[06:07] <CheatersRealm> thx lordan
[06:08] <lordan> Cloudchaser_, I'll investigate after a few hours of sleep..
[06:08] <CheatersRealm> lordan, before it wouldn't even boot to gdm.
[06:08] <Cloudchaser_> thanks lordan i'll keep at it but i have to go to work in an hour
[06:08] <Cloudchaser_> so i probly won't get to it again til after the holidaya
[06:08] <lordan> CheatersRealm, haven't had that problem myself
[06:08] <carajean> anybody know how to get cedega to work i tried there channel but got no help
[06:08] <Cloudchaser_> i've set up samba before and had no issues
[06:09] <lordan> Cloudchaser_, for the time being you may have to use smbclient or smbmount
[06:09] <CheatersRealm> lordan, what apt package has the mixer applet?
[06:09] <Cloudchaser_> yes but then i have to copy things via command line ewwwie
[06:10] <lordan> Cloudchaser_, not really, at least not if you use smbmount
[06:10] <lordan> put up a link on the desktop to you mount point
[06:10] <Cloudchaser_> how do i get to see it then?
[06:10] <Cloudchaser_> oh
[06:10] <lordan> and then just use the normal d'n'd..
[06:11] <da_bon_bon> which program do i install for cd writin/erasing? i want something like K3b
[06:11] <Cloudchaser_> i think i need to restart
[06:11] <Cloudchaser_> things aren't working at all
[06:11] <lordan> CheatersRealm, look for a package called gnome-panel-applets
[06:11] <Cloudchaser_> like...making a desktop shortcut
[06:11] <CheatersRealm> :)
[06:11] <lordan> or something like that
[06:11] <CheatersRealm> gnome-applets
[06:11] <da_bon_bon> which program do i install for cd writin/erasing? i want something like K3b
[06:11] <CheatersRealm> <- not a noob to linux, just to apt and ubuntu
[06:11] <lordan> Cloudchaser, something like that yead
[06:12] <lordan> yead == yeah
[06:12] <Cloudchaser_> i think maybe nautilus is..mad at me ;)
[06:12] <lordan> CheatersRealm, that's ok, just enjoy the ride :)
[06:12] <Cloudchaser_> brb
[06:12] <lordan> Cloudchaser, Nautilus is mad, period
[06:13] <Crane> I have the same issues as cloudchaser
[06:14] <lordan> Crane, at least it means you're not alone ;-)
[06:14] <Crane> lol
[06:14] <Crane> :)
[06:14] <CheatersRealm> lordan, yay, it finally boots & logs in right
[06:14] <Crane> so far I'm enjoying Ubuntu
[06:14] <CheatersRealm> lordan, thanks a bunch... the # is helpful as always
[06:14] <lordan> CheatersRealm, cool
[06:14] <CheatersRealm> I intentionally broke ubuntu (basically) and I just got it back up
[06:15] <CheatersRealm> stupid nvidia.. that's who's fault it is.
[06:15] <Crane> ?
[06:15] <Crane> nvidia?
[06:15] <da_bon_bon> please help me: i want a program to create cds, something like K3B
[06:15] <CheatersRealm> Crane, I tried to upgrade to hoary after installing nvidia drivers, and I edited the XF86Config-4 manually
[06:16] <Crane> aahhhh
[06:16] <lordan> da_bon_bon, if you want a gnome app, you'll have to excercise some patience..
[06:16] <Ayden> how in the hell do i right click?
[06:17] <Crane> with the right mouse buttom
[06:17] <Crane> :P
[06:17] <Crane> J/K
[06:17] <Ayden> where is it?
[06:17] <lordan> lol@Crane
[06:17] <CheatersRealm> heh, glxgears doesn't work.
[06:17] <Crane> ???
[06:17] <da_bon_bon> lordan: why? none exists?
[06:17] <crimsun> CheatersRealm: in what?
[06:17] <lordan> there are a few in "heavy" development
[06:18] <Crane> Ayden ????
[06:18] <Ayden> where the hell is the right click button on the powerpc edition of ubuntu?
[06:18] <da_bon_bon> lordan: where do i get one, if possible?
[06:18] <lordan> coaster is probably the one that gets most airtime
[06:18] <Crane> ooohhhh
[06:18] <da_bon_bon> lordan: isnt groat, or gcdcreator ok?
[06:18] <Crane> Sorry I am not familiar with that
[06:18] <da_bon_bon> lordan: how do i install coast on warty?
[06:18] <lordan> da_bon_bon, check out http://www.gnomefiles.org
[06:18] <lordan> may give you some ideas
[06:19] <lordan> da_bon_bon, you don't
[06:19] <crimsun> 'gcombust' is in the 'universe' repo
[06:19] <lordan> unless you want to compile it yourself
[06:19] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: hi. howz gcombust?
[06:19] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: I use cdrecord directly.
[06:20] <CheatersRealm> crimsun, it can't get a double buffered visual or somesuch
[06:20] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: i am installing it
[06:20] <crimsun> CheatersRealm: using what hardware with which ubuntu dist?
[06:21] <CheatersRealm> nvidia/hoary
[06:21] <crimsun> CheatersRealm: known issue. There are two bugs open in bugzilla about it.
[06:21] <CheatersRealm> crimsun, workarounds?
[06:21] <Crane> Ayden: have you tried shift click or ctrl click or something like that?
[06:21] <Crane> just guessing
[06:22] <crimsun> CheatersRealm: one is described in bugzilla.
[06:22] <crimsun> CheatersRealm: fwiw, "it works for me"
[06:22] <CheatersRealm> crimsun, bug number?
[06:23] <Ayden> Crane yes
[06:23] <crimsun> CheatersRealm: please use bugzilla :)
[06:23] <da_bon_bon> OMG, gcombust is sooo ugly...
[06:23] <lordan> CheatersRealm, you may also want to read up in gentoo forums about xorg/nvidia
[06:23] <lordan> I remember there was quite a bit of discussion wrt problems there
[06:23] <lordan> maybe you'll find something useful
[06:23] <CheatersRealm> crimsun, lordan k thanks
[06:25] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: i found that xcdroast is better than gcombust
[06:26] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: then use xcdroast :)
[06:27] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: was just informing u... i am apt-getting it now.
[06:27] <da_bon_bon> whats aptitude?
[06:27] <da_bon_bon> whats aptitude?
[06:27] <CheatersRealm> da_bon_bon, package manager
[06:27] <crimsun> it's a front end to apt
[06:27] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: its a GUI or just CLI ?
[06:28] <lordan> well, a cli gui
[06:28] <da_bon_bon> lordan: :) meaning?
[06:28] <da_bon_bon> lordan: something like lynx ?
[06:28] <CheatersRealm> da_bon_bon, it's got menus and stuff just like the isntaller for ubuntu or lynx yeah
[06:28] <lordan> something like that yes
[06:29] <lordan> maybe i should have called it clui
[06:29] <Grexo> hi
[06:29] <CheatersRealm> lordan, is it curses?
[06:29] <Grexo> ubuntu hoary f0cked up my windows
[06:29] <lordan> yes, i guess so
[06:29] <da_bon_bon> lordan: it then still is "command line use interface" ;) :D
[06:30] <Grexo> i should have used the ntbootloader
[06:30] <Grexo> grub is bugged
[06:30] <Grexo> it wont let me use windows
[06:30] <Grexo> i went into windows and it wouldnt boot
[06:30] <Grexo> i had to reboot my puter
[06:30] <da_bon_bon> Grexo: i dont have any rpbolems with grub....
[06:30] <lordan> Grexo, that sounds like a good thing..
[06:30] <Grexo> it just gave me a blank screen
[06:30] <Grexo> when i tried to get into windows
[06:31] <Grexo> so i deleted ubuntu
[06:31] <lordan> CheatersRealm, I'm sure it is. Will have to peek at it
[06:31] <Grexo> i guess it aint ready for primetime yet
[06:31] <da_bon_bon> Grexo: man u did that wrong..
[06:31] <da_bon_bon> Grexo: its much better than the hyped distros like FC and SuSE
[06:31] <lordan> Grexo, "works for me"
[06:31] <Mojo_Jojo> Hi, i'm having troubles getting my wireless nic working, I have an averatec 6100 laptop.
[06:31] <Grexo> da:  Prolly
[06:31] <Grexo> da:  Grub needs fixin
[06:32] <CheatersRealm> Grexo, I'm pretty sure grub is plenty capable of dual booting windows and linux
[06:32] <da_bon_bon> Grexo: mine worked out of box.
[06:32] <CheatersRealm> perhaps you had a mistake?
[06:33] <Grexo> ubuntu is nice but not for me
[06:33] <Grexo> ill stick to windows
[06:33] <Grexo> for now
[06:33] <Grexo> i got 3 cds for ubuntu in the mail
[06:33] <Grexo> ill give em out
[06:33] <Grexo> ubuntu has promise
[06:33] <lordan> Grexo, you said you installed hoary right?
[06:33] <Grexo> but not ready yet for primetime
[06:33] <Grexo> lordan:  Warty + hoaryt
[06:33] <Grexo> it happened with both
[06:33] <CheatersRealm> Grexo, I'm pretty sure warty is ready for primetime.
[06:34] <Cloudchaser> ok lordan, rebooted..mounted the share via command line, then went to "Computer" Filesystem/mnt/share...see the share there and DC it and got the waiting circle thingy
[06:34] <CheatersRealm> Grexo, you running a non-mainstream mobo or something?
[06:34] <Grexo> no
[06:34] <CheatersRealm> wierd.
[06:34] <lordan> Cloudchaser, give it some time
[06:34] <lordan> it can be really slow at times
[06:34] <CheatersRealm> well I don't have time to troubleshoot, because I must be up in 5 and a half hours to swim
[06:34] <Cloudchaser> do i have to set something so the filebrowser uses username/pw like sudo it?
[06:34] <CheatersRealm> Grexo, your problems can probably be pretty easily fixed with re-installing grubn
[06:35] <funky> hi
[06:35] <Cloudchaser> oh it finally came up! :)
[06:35] <lordan> Grexo, never heard of anybody having probs dual-booting warty+winDOS
[06:35] <lordan> as for hoary, well, it's in development so it's not ready for primetime
[06:35] <lordan> but it will be in March
[06:36] <lordan> Cloudchaser, cool
[06:36] <lordan> can you write to the share?
[06:36] <Cloudchaser> cept i can't write to it
[06:36] <lordan> goshdarn!
[06:37] <Cloudchaser> and i have privs on the the share
[06:37] <lordan> Just to be on the safe side, can you try to mount the share with smbmount
[06:37] <Cloudchaser> grrr
[06:37] <Cloudchaser> i did that
[06:37] <lordan> and then copy some file to the share
[06:37] <Cloudchaser> i think anyway
[06:37] <lordan> and it worked
[06:37] <lordan> ??
[06:37] <Cloudchaser> sudo mount //chrisibm/chrisibmc /mnt/ChrisC -t smbfs -o
[06:37] <Cloudchaser> like that
[06:37] <Cloudchaser> with the pw and username
[06:38] <lordan> yeah
[06:38] <Grexo> life
[06:38] <Grexo> the neverending quest
[06:38] <Grexo> for what i dunno
[06:38] <Grexo> from nothingness to technological wonders
[06:38] <Cloudchaser> hmm can't cd to "Documents and Settings"
[06:39] <Grexo> commercial vs opensource
[06:39] <Grexo> capitalism vs opensource
[06:39] <lordan> Cloudchaser, add some backslashes
[06:39] <Grexo> alala
[06:39] <Cloudchaser> oh i got it ;)
[06:39] <Cloudchaser> wrong " mark
[06:39] <lordan> Grexo, snap out of it!
[06:39] <Grexo> lol
[06:40] <Grexo> lordan ehhh?
[06:40] <Grexo> the recurring dream
[06:40] <Grexo> the code
[06:40] <Grexo> ERROR!
[06:40] <lordan> Grexo, you seem to be losing the plot ;-)
[06:40] <Grexo> i think i saw the human programming code
[06:40] <Grexo> we are just 0s and 1s
[06:40] <Grexo> :P
[06:41] <Cloudchaser> permission denied ;(
[06:41] <Grexo> ROFL
[06:41] <Grexo> your linux based
[06:41] <lordan> oh oh, i think we need a #ubuntu-philosophy
[06:41] <Grexo> cant get in
[06:41] <crimsun> there's always #offtopic
[06:41] <Grexo> ur uber secure
[06:41] <Cloudchaser> okk now i''ll try with the masks and see what happens
[06:41] <crimsun> or I guess #ubuntu-offtopic
[06:43] <lordan> Grexo, there are some bugs in my new code.
[06:43] <Grexo> uhh what was i saying uhhh
[06:43] <Grexo> ya uhmmm
[06:43] <Grexo> im giddy now
[06:43] <lordan> Cloudchaser, gotta head off to work
[06:43] <Grexo> hah hah ha
[06:43] <Cloudchaser> me too shortly
[06:44] <lordan> b back in a few hours
[06:44] <Cloudchaser> thanks for all your help!
[06:44] <lordan> let me know how it goes, yeah?
[06:44] <Cloudchaser> i won't be back for 8 hours then i'll have to sleep ;)
[06:44] <Cloudchaser> i will let you know how it all goes
[06:44] <lordan> lol@Cloudchaser
[06:44] <jabra> can someone help me with a pcmcica problem: pcmcia_socket0 time out after reset
[06:44] <lordan> seems you have xmas all planned out then.
[06:44] <lamont> is cupsys able to export a bsd-lp port listener?
[06:46] <Cloudchaser> ok cool
[06:46] <Cloudchaser> got to write to my share ;)
[06:46] <Grexo> that didnt take long hah hah
[06:47] <neuro_> did you say "jehovah"?
[06:48] <Cloudchaser> is there any way to make it so when you dc on a folder in the file browser, it opens in the same window?
[06:49] <Cloudchaser> i looked in preferences...didn't see a way though
[06:50] <mgiles> why is it that when my laptop starts up the samba daemons fail to start, but manually I can start them no problem?
[06:50] <jabra> pcmcia is having problems on my laptop
[06:51] <DeviantDog> anyone her know any fixed with sound and doom3?
[06:52] <Cloudchaser> well it looks like many others have same network browsing issue as i do, but no solution was posted
[06:53] <neuro_> Cloudchaser: try: gconf-editor -> change /apps/nautilus/preferences/always_use_browser to true
[06:53] <neuro_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nautilus_file_manager :)
[06:53] <neuro_> of all places
[06:53] <Cloudchaser> sorry i usually look it up first
[06:54] <neuro_> np
[06:54] <Cloudchaser> i had looked in prefs though which is where i'd expect it
[06:54] <Cloudchaser> silly me
[06:54] <neuro_> there should be a ui switch in 2.8 allegedly
[06:54] <carajean> hey can someone help me real quick
[06:55] <carajean> deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Preview i386 Binary-1 (20041020)] / unstable main restricted
[06:55] <carajean> # deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted
[06:55] <carajean> # deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted
[06:55] <carajean> ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'universe'
[06:55] <carajean> ## repository.
[06:55] <carajean> ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu
[06:55] <carajean> ## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to
[06:55] <carajean> ## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in
[06:55] <carajean> ## universe WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu security
[06:55] <carajean> ## team.
[06:55] <carajean> # deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe
[06:55] <carajean> # deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe
[06:55] <carajean> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted
[06:55] <carajean> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted
[06:55] <carajean> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty multiverse
[06:55] <carajean> why on earth does my video cards file say that
[06:55] <neuro_> floodtastic, batman!
[06:55] <funky> carajean: well done, motherfucker
[06:55] <carajean> yeah lol
[06:55] <carajean> i know
[06:55] <heero17> hi
[06:56] <carajean> tell me how to fix it and i will leave
[06:56] <neuro_> help, i'm being held hostage! :)
[06:56] <funky> carajean: no, fuck you with your problem
[06:56] <funky> and leave
[06:56] <neuro_> funky: hey, chill dude
[06:56] <neuro_> festive season, peace and goodwill, etc :)
[06:57] <heero17> lol
[06:57] <funky> and learn some about nettiquete
[06:57] <heero17> peace and linux for the world
[06:57] <funky> peace and emacs for all
[06:57] <neuro_> vi, dammit!
[06:57] <heero17> lol
[06:57] <heero17> >D
[06:57] <funky> :D
[06:58] <dr_willis> i dident even see him state what his problem really was
[06:58] <Crane> Cloudchaser did you find it
[06:58] <neuro_> looks like his "drivers file" was a sources.list
[06:58] <Cloudchaser> i found the wiki thing
[06:58] <Cloudchaser> but i don't know how to find gconf editor..searching for that now
[06:59] <Crane> computer>desktop preferances>file management
[07:00] <Crane> click behavior tab and select always open in browser window
[07:00] <Crane> that will keep multiple windows from opening
[07:00] <Cloudchaser> ah i did see that earlier but didn't know thats what it meant ;)
[07:00] <Cloudchaser> i'd have never figured that out from that wiki thing
[07:00] <heero17> ~~~
[07:00] <Crane> me neither, someone told me
[07:00] <Crane> :)
[07:01] <Crane> I really enjoy this distro so far and the peeps around here are friendly too
[07:01] <Crane> Now if we could just fix this samba problem:)
[07:01] <Cloudchaser> i like the distro alot too with a few minor annoyances
[07:02] <Cloudchaser> ok well i got samba working
[07:02] <Crane> you did
[07:02] <Cloudchaser> its the network browser that isn't working
[07:02] <Crane> not fair
[07:02] <Crane> lol
[07:02] <Cloudchaser> and thats an issue that others have posted about with no solutions posted
[07:02] <Crane> same here
[07:02] <Cloudchaser> i have to get ready for work
[07:02] <Crane> k
[07:02] <Cloudchaser> but in a couple days..like after xmas
[07:02] <Crane> talk to ya later
[07:02] <Cloudchaser> i'll walk you through it all
[07:02] <Cloudchaser> if you want
[07:03] <Crane> yea that would be great thanks
[07:03] <Cloudchaser> np i've done samba before but the browser thing got me off track
[07:03] <Cloudchaser> once you can connect command line
[07:03] <Cloudchaser> you can set up /etc/fstab to do it automatically
[07:03] <Crane> yea I'd like to get the browser working as well
[07:03] <Crane> ahh mount samba shares
[07:04] <Cloudchaser> yah i'm trying to copy file over now through the file manager
[07:04] <Cloudchaser> seems to not be working too well
[07:04] <Crane> :/
[07:04] <Cloudchaser> i dragged a file over
[07:05] <Cloudchaser> and in the window i dragged it to it shows a file ".vfs-write.tmp"
[07:05] <Cloudchaser> and its kinda locked up (the window)
[07:05] <Cloudchaser> i'll have to work on that
[07:05] <Cloudchaser> when i get more time
[07:06] <Crane> cool
[07:06] <da_name_is_taken> hi
[07:06] <Crane> hello
[07:06] <da_name_is_taken> I have a bunch of files to rename from name.txt.0002   (name.txt.number)  to  name0002.txt (namenumber.txt). Any easy way to do this?
[07:06] <funky> i hate nicks more than 4 letters
[07:06] <da_name_is_taken> sorry, i really AM!
[07:06] <funky> like mine
[07:07] <alka_trash> hey all
[07:07] <Crane> lol@funk
[07:07] <Crane> hello
[07:08] <da_name_is_taken> nobody knows :(
[07:08] <Crane> sorry I don't hav a clue
[07:08] <funk> da_name_is_taken: man rename
[07:09] <etorix> vican do that prolly
[07:09] <Crane> lol
[07:09] <Crane> just call him da_
[07:09] <funk> :D
[07:09] <da_name_is_taken> funk: rename ain't capable of that alone
[07:09] <da_bon_bon> which is the default icon for firefox in start bar ?
[07:10] <heero17> hola
[07:10] <heero17> hi
[07:10] <mgiles> Does anyone know why is it that when my laptop starts up the samba daemons fail to start, but manually I can start them no problem?
[07:10] <Crane> aloh
[07:10] <etorix> one of the heavy editors can i bet
[07:10] <Crane> ih
[07:10] <Crane> hi
[07:10] <da_bon_bon> which is the default icon for firefox in start bar ?
[07:10] <funk> da_name_is_taken: you can do it just using rename
[07:11] <Crane> lol
[07:11] <heero17> mgiles
[07:11] <mgiles> heero17, yeah?
[07:11] <heero17> u have has plug the ethernet cable
[07:11] <heero17> after to boot?
[07:11] <Crane> da_name: he is talking about your name not batch file renaming
[07:12] <mgiles> heero17, nope before... ahh but I don't enable the eth1 port till after its booted and I've logged in.. is that whats going on?
[07:12] <alka_trash> ubuntu/hoary/unstable is being unstable ( acpi is crapping out )
[07:12] <|QuaD-> alka_trash: more detaiL please... by the way, it is expected
[07:12] <|QuaD-> alka_trash: did you file a bug report?
[07:13] <heero17> mmm
[07:13] <alka_trash> oh I should do that shouldn't I
[07:13] <|QuaD-> ya
[07:13] <Crane> lol
[07:14] <alka_trash> I'll do that, it's just not booting into gnome with acpi on, I turned it off and it's working, but now I can't bring up gnome-terminal,  I checked dmesg and irq are not get assigned properly. time to fire of bug-buddy *first time*
[07:16] <Cloudchaser> this is too wonky...the filemanager and network shares thing
[07:18] <Crane> Coudchaser: I wonder if it's a gnome thing
[07:18] <Cloudchaser> well now after i tried to drag a file over
[07:18] <Cloudchaser> i can't see any files in the share, although it says there's 23 items there
[07:18] <neuro_> maybe they're shy
[07:18] <Cloudchaser> so i can't look to see if the file actually copied
[07:19] <Crane> :(
[07:19] <sirrahtap> hey
[07:19] <sirrahtap> i'm a new user with a question (hopefully quick)
[07:20] <sirrahtap> my hard drive is set to read only, and i can't figure out how to change that
[07:20] <sirrahtap> can anyone help me?
[07:20] <Crane> sirrahtap you hard drive?
[07:21] <Crane> hda1?
[07:21] <sirrahtap> yeah
[07:21] <Crane> hda?
[07:21] <Crane> do you have ubuntu installed?
[07:21] <sirrahtap> hda1
[07:21] <sirrahtap> yeah, i'm using it now
[07:21] <|QuaD-> sirrahtap: your primary hd?
[07:21] <Crane> can you right to you home directory?
[07:22] <|QuaD-> sirrahtap: if you are using your comp, i HIGHLY doubt your primary hd is set to read only
[07:22] <Crane> What are outrying to do?
[07:22] <Crane> outrying=you trying
[07:23] <Crane> lol
[07:23] <sirrahtap> well, i usually run xp but its gotten all messed up and it won't even start anymore, so i'm trying to get into my harddrive to retrieve some stuff because i think i'm going to have to format
[07:23] <sirrahtap> and i have a few things that i haven't backed up
[07:24] <|QuaD-> sirrahtap: is it an ntfs drive?
[07:24] <crimsun> sirrahtap: sudo hdparm -r /dev/hda
[07:24] <|QuaD-> my guess that is why it is read only
[07:24] <plasmo> use a live cd then
[07:24] <sirrahtap> ?
[07:24] <sirrahtap> i'm using alive cd right now
[07:24] <crimsun> sirrahtap: run that command from a terminal
[07:24] <|QuaD-> sirrahtap: what filesystem is on your win hd
[07:24] <sirrahtap> that is the only way i can get my comp to run
[07:25] <|QuaD-> sirrahtap: you probably have an ntfs drive and can't write to it
[07:25] <plasmo> probli ntfs then :S?
[07:25] <sirrahtap> xp
[07:25] <|QuaD-> plasmo: as i said
[07:25] <|QuaD-> sirrahtap: what filesystem
[07:25] <sirrahtap> whats ntfs?
[07:25] <plasmo> yeah its probli ntfs lol
[07:25] <|QuaD-> sirrahtap: fat or ntfs?
[07:25] <sirrahtap> sorry, i'm not a big computer guy
[07:25] <lathiat> if your trying to retriece that you dont need write
[07:25] <neuro_> 'mount' should tell you
[07:25] <lathiat> *retrieve
[07:25] <|QuaD-> sirrahtap: ntfs=NT File System
[07:25] <sirrahtap> ok, i think it is ntfs
[07:26] <sirrahtap> i also wanted to try and delete some stuff that i thought could be causing the problem
[07:26] <etorix> but its not booting?
[07:26] <sirrahtap> because it started after i installed some software and i wanted to see if i deleted that if it would start in windows again
[07:26] <sirrahtap> yeah, it freezes before getting to my desktop
[07:26] <crimsun> sirrahtap: did you run that command I gave you?
[07:26] <neuro_> try using a system rescue CD
[07:26] <etorix> o it does boot
[07:26] <neuro_> http://www.google.com/search?q=linux+ntfs+rescue+CD
[07:26] <|QuaD-> sirrahtap: did you try safe mode?
[07:26] <plasmo> tried safemode?
[07:26] <Crane> sirrah: have you tried using your windows XP cd to fix it?
[07:27] <|QuaD-> plasmo: beat you again
[07:27] <sirrahtap> safemode doesn't work
[07:27] <plasmo> lol
[07:27] <|QuaD-> sirrahtap: y
[07:27] <|QuaD-> it should
[07:27] <|QuaD-> if it is software based
[07:27] <neuro_> XP CDs are useless as restore tools unless you keep your recovery floppies up to date
[07:27] <neuro_> and even then ...
[07:27] <sirrahtap> it locks up, just the same as if i try a normal boot
[07:27] <|QuaD-> sirrahtap: then you fubarred windows
[07:28] <sirrahtap> thats what i was afraid of
[07:28] <|QuaD-> so put linux on instead
[07:28] <Crane> do you have another windows computer?
[07:28] <Crane> XP?
[07:29] <|QuaD-> neuro_: i was thinking that
[07:29] <plasmo> #microsoft
[07:29] <plasmo> lol
[07:29] <neuro_> no offence like :)
[07:29] <|QuaD-> #sucker
[07:29] <sirrahtap> no, my original question wasn't about microsoft
[07:29] <Crane> lol
[07:29] <sirrahtap> its how to read and write on hda
[07:29] <neuro_> sirrahtap: try that google url i posted about rescue CDs which will r/w ntfs partitions
[07:29] <|QuaD-> sirrahtap: wasn't about ubuntu either
[07:29] <neuro_> all else, check out http://support.microsoft.com/
[07:30] <plasmo> use ntfs captive or something
[07:30] <MasterFox> Hello, folks. Was wondering if someone could help me in getting gamma boosted on my monitor.
[07:30] <|QuaD-> sirrahtap: use format c:
[07:31] <neuro_> intrepid:~> format C:
[07:31] <neuro_> format: Command not found.
[07:31] <neuro_> bit useless on linux :>
[07:31] <pw> MasterFox: xgamma -gamma <gamma>
[07:31] <|QuaD-> neuro_: sudo rm -fR /
[07:31] <Cloudchaser> crane
[07:31] <Cloudchaser> apparently there's a gnome-vfs bug
[07:31] <neuro_> intrepid:~> sudo rm -fR /
[07:31] <neuro_> sudo: Command not found.
[07:31] <neuro_> |QuaD-: wow, you're really crapping out here :>
[07:31] <|QuaD-> neuro_: you on linux
[07:32] <Cloudchaser> can try something called xsmbrowser to browse shares
[07:32] <neuro_> me? now? here? typing into?
[07:32] <neuro_> no
[07:32] <MasterFox> Thanks!
[07:32] <|QuaD-> oh, i thought you were typing that in a terminal
[07:32] <neuro_> i was
[07:32] <|QuaD-> an ubuntu terminal?
[07:32] <neuro_> sarge
[07:32] <plasmo> type this in the terminal
[07:32] <plasmo> echo '82 43/25 43+65P80P82P73P76P32P70P79P79P76P10P' | dc
[07:32] <plasmo> lol
[07:32] <|QuaD-> that doesn't owrk in sarge?
[07:32] <|QuaD-> why?
[07:32] <|QuaD-> i thought it should
[07:33] <neuro_> why would it if i don't have sudo installed?
[07:33] <|QuaD-> oh
[07:33] <|QuaD-> good point
[07:33] <neuro_> :)
[07:33] <|QuaD-> so type su
[07:33] <|QuaD-> enter your pw
[07:33] <|QuaD-> then rm -fR /
[07:33] <neuro_> intrepid:~> su
[07:33] <neuro_> Password:
[07:33] <neuro_> su: Authentication failure
[07:33] <neuro_> Sorry.
[07:33] <neuro_> my password didn't work :P
[07:33] <plasmo> lol
[07:33] <sirrahtap> so crimsun, when you said sirrahtap: sudo hdparm -r /dev/hda
[07:33] <|QuaD-> neuro_: blah your no fun
[07:33] <sirrahtap> where am i supposed to do that (yeah i know, i don't know jack about this stuff)
[07:33] <neuro_> :>
[07:34] <MasterFox> Ok, and now for a toughy..
 I use F90 and Ada fairly regularly in my research.
[07:41] <|QuaD-> and there is little to NO documentation on the language!
[07:41] <neuro_> ok, ada you can have
[07:41] <neuro_> plasmo: but what are you suggesting?  ook?  :>
[07:42] <plasmo> dunno @_@
[07:42] <neuro_> hot cross?
[07:43] <|QuaD-> if anyone here knows nesC SAVE ME
[07:43] <neuro_> ook, 0643 and /me hears updatedb running around the room
[07:43] <crimsun> you must have a huge HD
[07:44] <crimsun> by 0640 both AIDE and update have finished on my 80 GB
[07:44] <|QuaD-> crimsun: he said 9TB
[07:44] <crimsun> ah
[07:44] <|QuaD-> i don't know how long my 240gig take
[07:44] <neuro_> crimsun: when did they start?
[07:44] <crimsun> 0625
[07:44] <crimsun> I have 1.
[07:44] <crimsun> ;)
[07:44] <|QuaD-> i ahve 2
[07:44] <neuro_> and updatedb starts at 0643
[07:45] <neuro_> hence my comment
[07:45] <crimsun> standard Debian: 25 6    * * *   root    test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily
[07:46] <|QuaD-> hmm, its not in my crontab
[07:46] <|QuaD-> where else would it be
[07:46] <neuro_> updatedb starts poking at a noisy drive at 0643 :>
[07:47] <crimsun> |QuaD-: hmm, are you doing this on tiny* stuff?
[07:47] <|QuaD-> crimsun: what the nesC or my cron?
[07:47] <crimsun> |QuaD-: the former
[07:48] <|QuaD-> crimsun: tinyOS is the os that the programs i am writing will run on
[07:48] <crimsun> |QuaD-: right. I'm vaguely familiar with it.
[07:49] <crimsun> friend of mine's research was stripping tinysec's rc5 base and replacing it with modified rc4 for lower power consumption
[07:49] <|QuaD-> crimsun: interesting
[07:49] <|QuaD-> doesn't help my bug though!
[07:49] <crimsun> probably not! ;)
[07:50] <|QuaD-> it should be easy to find
[07:50] <|QuaD-> !
[07:50] <crimsun> eww, go away, EruditeHermit. ;)
[07:50] <EruditeHermit> =(
[07:57] <EruditeHermit> crimsun: so I just add the ubuntu mirror, and apt-get install xserver-xorg ?
[07:57] <EruditeHermit> crimsun: and remove xfree86
[08:00] <bur[n] er_> anyone want/need a gmail account?
[08:00] <bur[n] er_> i was just given a bunch of invites...  if not, carry on with general ubuntu banter ;)
[08:00] <plasmo> im still with hotmail lol :d
[08:01] <diego> bur[n] er_: how would you need a gmail account? surely life can be sustained without one
[08:01] <bur[n] er_> to each their own
[08:01] <bur[n] er_> diego: possibly
[08:01] <bur[n] er_> i dunno if i would live without it... there is a chance i may not
[08:01] <diego> i've only gotten 1 batch of invites, not sure why
[08:01] <bur[n] er_> wow... that wasn't even witty... i'm too tired ;)
[08:01] <diego> used them all up and never got any more
[08:01] <bur[n] er_> i'm on my 4th batch
[08:01] <bur[n] er_> i think
[08:02] <etorix> i just got 6 more invites
[08:02] <bur[n] er_> this is the biggest number yet though
[08:02] <bur[n] er_> i got 8 more
[08:02] <bur[n] er_> :)
[08:02] <plasmo> woah
[08:02] <bur[n] er_> it is good stuff if you're a hotmailer ;)
[08:02] <plasmo> yeah i just use evolution with gotmail
[08:02] <plasmo> doesnt work good with hotmail lol
[08:03] <bur[n] er_> i tried to use evolution with exchange today...
[08:03] <bur[n] er_> to no avail :\
[08:03] <mlambie> what parameters do i need to pass to ssh in order to have it connect to a machine, and then execute a series of commands, but stay connected?
[08:03] <bur[n] er_> there aren't really any howto's on it anywhere
[08:03] <mlambie> for example, ssh host1, then run ls -l and then run uptime, and stay connected?
[08:03] <bob2> mlambie: fsh is what you want
[08:03] <diego> pipezor?
[08:04] <mlambie> thanks bob2
[08:04] <bob2> mlambie: recent versions of ssh have that feature, too, but I don't think it's in ubuntu yet
[08:04] <bur[n] er_> fsh?
[08:04] <bur[n] er_> nevermind
[08:04] <diego> floppy shoe hamburger
[08:04] <diego> duh
[08:05] <etorix> fsh - Fast remote command execution over rsh/ssh/lsh
[08:06] <bur[n] er_> hrm... /exec -o apt-cache search fsh |grep fsh
[08:06] <bur[n] er_> doh
[08:07] <bob2> no need to paste that in here...
[08:07] <mlambie> bob2: i've installed fsh via apt, but issuing "fsh host ls" prompts for a passwd, then bombs out
[08:07] <bur[n] er_> sorry... it's late and i'm bored and tired
[08:08] <bob2> mlambie: 'bombs out'?
[08:08] <bob2> mlambie: you need it on both sides, too
[08:09] <heero17> ?
[08:09] <heero17> bomb? what bomb
[08:10] <neuro_> did he say "bomb"?
[08:10] <bob2> come on guys
[08:10] <plasmo> u know the fbi monitor irc channels. when u say bom+b. they record it :)
[08:10] <diego> oh i do have gmail invites
[08:10] <diego> interesting hehe
[08:10] <heero17> lol
[08:10] <heero17> :D
[08:11] <neuro_> sod the fbi, nsa+cia+mi5+echelon
[08:11] <mlambie> bob2: it doesn't seem to operate as expected. it will connect and run the command and return results, but it doesn's maintain the connection. it's the same as running "ssh host command"
[08:11] <bob2> mlambie: you have fsh on both machines? how do you know it's disconnecting?
[08:12] <mlambie> yeah, on both sides
[08:12] <mlambie> it drops me back to my shell on my laptop
[08:12] <bob2> hrm?
[08:12] <mlambie> but runs the command on my server
[08:12] <bob2> oh, you mean, you want to run a command and then get a remote shell?
[08:13] <mlambie> i'll explain what i'm trying to do, and others might know a better way: when i open a shell, i normally want 4 more tabs, and want to connect to our development server in each of these tabs. then i want to issue a series of commands (like sudo su user, or mysql -u user -ppass) in each different shell.
[08:14] <bob2> ah
[08:14] <mlambie> i'm passing parameters to gnome-terminal that cause it to open 4 tabs with different profiles fine
[08:14] <mlambie> what i want is it to issue the equivalent of "ssh host" then on the new host "cmd1, cmd2, cmd3..."
[08:14] <ar|k> so howd u view quicktime in ubuntu?
[08:15] <mlambie> ar|k: I installed the w32codecs
[08:15] <bob2> ar|k: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[08:15] <bob2> ar|k: it's in the FAQ
[08:15] <diego> i wish i was in the faq
[08:15] <bob2> mlambie: ssh -t user@host 'foo ; bar ; baz'
[08:15] <ar|k> thanks
[08:16] <ar|k> which is better mandrake or ubuntu?
[08:16] <mlambie> bob2: getting closer, but will connect to the host, execute the commands, then close the ssh connection
[08:17] <diego> ar|k: no bias in here....UBUNTU
[08:17] <bob2> ar|k: they're different...try both and see which you prefer
[08:17] <plasmo> lol
[08:17] <bob2> mlambie: yes, of course
[08:17] <heero17> :)
[08:17] <mlambie> i want it to run the commands, then drop me to the shell on the host
[08:17] <bob2> mlambie: if you want to run stuff on the remote side, add a call to bash on the end of the command line
[08:17] <bob2> mlambie: or run a script on the remote end
[08:18] <heero17> maybe kan be the timeout of the session
[08:18] <heero17> is so much short,
[08:19] <ar|k> ok
[08:19] <heero17> :)
[08:19] <mlambie> bob2: ssh -t www 'cd /; bash' seems to be what I'm after
[08:19] <bob2> yes
[08:19] <mlambie> bob2: thanks for your help, much appreciated
[08:20] <jacodt> quick question. where is the equivalent of the /etc/sysconfig/iptables file in ubuntu?
[08:20] <diego> jacodt: ubuntu doesn't ship with a firewall iirc
[08:20] <bob2>  /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian
[08:21] <jacodt> thanks
[08:26] <diego> w31rd, my pillow smells like my grandparents house
[08:26] <diego> ahh the memories
[08:26] <plasmo> o_o;
[08:30] <riley> how do I get support for loop for the mount command?
[08:31] <bob2> sudo modprobe loop
[08:32] <riley> awesome!  thanks!
[08:32] <bob2> you're welcome
[08:35] <ar|k> hey bob. can u send me a screenshot of your desktop?
[08:35] <bob2> mine's boring
[08:38] <Mojo_Jojo> Hi, I downloaded a theme but it's not working. I even put it in the .themes folder and still doesnt show up :/
[08:38] <plasmo> wats the theme
[08:39] <Mojo_Jojo> this one http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=18631&PHPSESSID=f18e6d41902f3c8fbebf8234ed1fc061
[08:39] <Mojo_Jojo> I got he edgeMcity
[08:40] <plasmo> ok let me test it out. ill have to switch to gnome. brb :)
[08:41] <idge> hey, anyone know the sudo command for smp (multi proc)???
[08:41] <bob2> you mean, "How do I install a kernel with SMP support?"?
[08:41] <idge> yes
[08:41] <idge> i think
[08:41] <idge> i am new :-)
[08:42] <idge> this is my fist time with a linux based OS
[08:42] <bob2> what cpu?
[08:42] <idge> i have dual PIII 550s
[08:42] <idge> its an ols server board
[08:42] <bob2> install the linux-image-686-smp package
[08:42] <idge> "old" server board
[08:43] <idge> and that will do it?
[08:43] <bob2> yes
[08:43] <plasmo> mmm theme works fine. just that u cant install it with the theme installer
[08:43] <plasmo> just untar it
[08:43] <Mojo_Jojo> how did you do it?
[08:43] <plasmo> and copy edge2 and edge3 in .theme
[08:44] <idge> awsome!...thanks bob2
[08:44] <plasmo> .themes*
[08:44] <heero17> :O
[08:44] <Mojo_Jojo> oh ok i'll try again :)
[08:44] <plasmo> alrite goodluck :)
[08:45] <Mojo_Jojo> sweet it works thanks plasmo :)
[08:45] <plasmo> cool :)
[08:46] <Mojo_Jojo> do you know how to change the splash screens?
[08:46] <plasmo> yeah
[08:46] <plasmo> hold on
[08:46] <Mojo_Jojo> ok
[08:46] <idge> hey bob2....is there a such thing as a "Ubuntu Repair Disk"???
[08:46] <bob2> to do what?
[08:47] <plasmo> gconf-editor > /apps/gnome-session/options/splash_image
[08:47] <idge> just in case i screw somthing up :-)
[08:47] <idge> i have been known to do that before!
[08:48] <bob2> but, what do you want it to do?
[08:48] <bob2> I take it windows has some sort of repair disk that 'fixes' things?
[08:48] <idge> oh i see......I was thinking more along the lines of a "All-In-One" disc
[08:48] <bob2> what woulkd it do?