[12:00] <DJones> tsimpson: You beat me to that ban
[12:01] <tsimpson> DJones: I just happened to be looking at the time :)
[12:01] <DJones> Actually, they're changing ip's as well
[12:01] <jrib> yeah
[12:01] <Tm_T> blargh
[12:01] <tsimpson> if you have a better mask, please fix
[12:02] <DJones> I don't have a better mask, host & ip changing, I guess its just a case of riding it out
[12:02] <bazhang> tons of different ones, perhaps +r ?
[12:03] <Tm_T> indeed
[12:03] <bazhang> at least until its Jr. High bedtime
[12:04] <Tm_T> I might not be available long, so please feel free to ban/unban/change modes as need be
[12:05] <tsimpson> you could just let the floodbots manage the +r with "protect N" in -monitor
[12:06] <Tm_T> N being...
[12:06] <Myrtti> minutes
[12:07] <Tm_T> right
[12:07] <Tm_T> huh
[12:07] <Tm_T> thanks
[12:14] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[12:15] <Myrtti> I hate bouncers that do that
[12:17] <Myrtti> I've pm'd him already
[12:18] <Myrtti> just a reminder, you can do /24 bans too
[12:18] <Myrtti> and I'm going to shorten the protect a bit
[12:21] <Tm_T> hmm, no spam to -unregged so does this mean the attack is over?
[12:25] <Myrtti> that's why I set the protect to 10minutes
[12:25] <Tm_T> yup thank you (:
[12:26] <Myrtti> geheheh bouncing in fyc isn't my idea of fun, sonda is already there with equally broken bouncer and it's driving my head in
[19:36] <bazhang> thats not the first time he's given suspect/bad advice then with the attitude
[19:43] <DJones> Just had a pm from them, only concerned that people ask questions and don't get help, ignored the fact that somebody knowing the answer might not be in the channel


[15:33] <Boobbbbbb> Can someone help me
[15:37] <lordievader> Boobbbbbb: Depends, ask your question. Also note this is #ubuntu-nl, the Dutch Ubuntu support.


[00:31] <Josh^> what is the white button at the top left of my windows?
[00:31] <Josh^> it doesn't seem to do anything
[00:35] <valorie> Josh^: is it a circle with a dot in the middle?
[00:35] <Josh^> valorie, yes
[00:35] <valorie> ok, that is the button that allows the application window you are using to be seen on either all activities or all virtual desktops
[00:36] <valorie> I think the latter
[00:36] <valorie> in general, if you don't use virt desktops, we're removed it in kubuntu
[00:36] <Josh^> interesting, is there a way to make it not show up?
[00:36] <Josh^> I don't usually use other "Activities"
[00:37] <valorie> I believe in systemsettings you can choose to display only one desktop, 2, 4, 8 etc.
[00:38] <valorie> if you choose one, the button will disappear, at least in kub. .... 14.04 and on I think
[00:40] <Josh^> thanks valorie :)
[00:42] <valorie> yw
[00:42] <TheFakeazneD525> Sysinfo for 'lcom': Running inside KDE 4.14.2 on Ubuntu 14.10 (Utopic Unicorn) powered by Linux 3.16.0-25-generic, CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E6750 @ 2.66GHz at 1998-2664/2664 MHz, RAM: 2966/3952 MB, Storage: 38/282 GB, 225 procs, 4.67h up
[00:42] <TheFakeazneD525> I'm on utopic finally :D
[00:43] <valorie> welcome to the future!
[00:43] <valorie> Sysinfo for 'valorie-HP-Pavilion-dv7-Notebook-PC': Running inside KDE 4.14.2 on Ubuntu 14.10 (Utopic Unicorn) powered by Linux 3.16.0-25-generic, CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3610QM CPU @ 2.30GHz at 1221-1693/3300 MHz, RAM: 7724/7883 MB, Storage: 414/784 GB, 321 procs, 195.15h up
[00:44] <TheFakeazneD525> I'm not running the KF5 spin though :P
[00:44]  * valorie is also running plasma 5
[00:44] <TheFakeazneD525> maybe by january though
[00:45] <valorie> maybe
[00:45] <valorie> some of the bugs are getting fixed
[00:45] <valorie> good enough for everyday use for me, but not for everybody
[00:48]  * TheFakeazneD525 nods
[00:51] <TheFakeazneD525> valorie: so *buntu is getting ffmpeg back \o/
[00:57] <Josh^>  HexChat: 2.9.6 ** OS: Linux 3.13.0-40-generic x86_64 ** Distro: Debian jessie/sid ** CPU: 4 x Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3230M CPU @ 2.60GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 1.20GHz ** RAM: Physical: 5.7GB, 77.1% free ** Disk: Total: 205.7GB, 91.0% free ** VGA: 8086:0166 ** Sound: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH ** Ethernet: 10ec:8168 ** Uptime: 4h 54m 39s **
[00:57] <Josh^> hm, well then
[01:04] <littlegirl> Hey there, I'm running Kubuntu 12.04 Precise Pangolin and got some updates today, and ever since then I'm spontaneously logged out and sitting at the log-in screen every time the screensaver tries to kick in. The screensaver is set to go off after 5 minutes of inactivity. If I try to go into system settings in the GUI to uncheck the box that tells the screensaver to come on, I get instantly logged out before I have time to uncheck
[01:04] <littlegirl> the box and hit Apply. Is there a command line way I can uncheck that box?
[01:10] <littlegirl> Hey there, I'm running Kubuntu 12.04 Precise Pangolin and got some updates today, and ever since then I'm spontaneously logged out and sitting at the log-in screen every time the screensaver tries to kick in. The screensaver is set to go off after 5 minutes of inactivity. If I try to go into system settings in the GUI to uncheck the box that tells the screensaver to come on, I get instantly logged out before I have time to uncheck
[01:10] <littlegirl> the box and hit Apply. Is there a command line way I can uncheck that box?
[01:14] <littlegirl> Is there a command line way to change the screensaver settings?
[01:18] <littlegirl> Thanks for the help.
[01:28] <keithzg> littlegirl: I think that's configured in .kde/share/config/kscreansaver
[01:28] <keithzg> err wait, typo on my part heh
[01:30] <keithzg> ~/.kde/share/config/kscreensaverrc
[02:10] <Squidward> !ops | waaaaaaaaaaa
[02:19] <Roey> hey all
[02:19] <Roey> lordievader: like right now, Amarok is operating with 134% CPU time as given by 'top'
[02:19] <Roey> this is insane
[02:19] <Roey> Amarok is just not responsive at all to clicks
[02:19] <Roey> Firefox is not response to clicks when it has like 8 tabs open
[02:20] <Roey> If I re-install, I need to prevent losing my @home, which is a subvol on the BTRFS partition that also holds @.
[03:27] <user1397> how do you enable spanish characters? more specifically, how do you make a spanish n (with the tilde).  I remmeber on windows all you had to do was Alt+164
[03:33] <keithzg> user1397: Personally I just always call up a character map, but to be able to do some sort of Key+otherkeys to write a special character, you'll probably have to go into the advanced keyboard settings and enable a compose key.
[03:35] <keithzg> user1397: Once you have a compose key set up, you can look in /usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose for the default mapping (assuming your locale is set to en_US.UTF-8; adjust as necessary!) for how to get each character.
[03:36] <keithzg> See https://userbase.kde.org/Tutorials/ComposeKey perhaps if that isn't clear.
[03:44] <user1397> keithzg: gotcha, thanks!
[04:06] <user1397> i figured the easiest thing for me actually is to just add spanish keyboard in settings, and just switch between english and spanish in the taskbar
[04:10] <user1397> also, what's the best way to slow down my scroll speed on my trackpad?  i tried to mes around with the trackpad settings in system settings but wasn't having much luck. anyone else have this problem?
[04:27] <naccis> i am new to linux i really could use a little help getting my iphone and ipad to connect
[04:29] <naccis> i am running kubuntu 14.04 all updates have been done.  i am trying to connect to the ipad and it seems to cause a system crash
[04:31] <naccis> any takers?
[06:45] <fego> 3
[07:11] <soee> good morning
[08:23] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:48] <alket> Hi, im running kde telepathy , sometimes when someone writes me on GTalk , windows pops but there is no message , what could it be ?
[12:08] <alket> yeah , one thing I know about KDE is that the support is almost non-existent
[12:08] <alket> such a great software, such a low support
[12:08] <hateball> That's unfortunate
[12:09] <hateball> You could try #kde when this channel is idle
[12:09] <alket> all kde channels are idle, all time
[12:16] <DansTaFace> hey coucou la dedans :)
[12:20] <DansTaFace> personne peu me dire comment on se connect sur un autre serveur irc ?
[12:21] <hateball> !fr
[12:22] <DansTaFace> merci super gentil ;)
[12:22] <DansTaFace> good morning my friend
[12:22] <DansTaFace> bye bye
[12:42] <JunkHunk> hello how to configure an old logitech keyboard? though it looks like working volume controls won't do anything I need to use applications or sound menus to control volume
[12:44] <hateball> JunkHunk: what do you mean "looks like working" ?
[12:45] <hateball> does pressing the keys bring up the OSD indicating volume changes?
[12:47] <JunkHunk> hateball I mean when I operate volume controls in the keyboard a bar appears on screen mesuring the sound as I go up and down but it does nothing it has no effect
[12:48] <JunkHunk> its a logitech /Y-BN52
[12:49] <JunkHunk> I didnt find that model in kubuntu system preferences...it was working with the default and it is working with the logitech internet elite keyboard set but...not quite there yet
[12:49] <hateball> JunkHunk: can you edit global shortcuts?
[12:50] <JunkHunk> hmmm
[12:50] <hateball> and choose component kmix, then try reassigning the shortcuts
[12:50] <hateball> see if it picks up your keys
[12:50] <JunkHunk> I think it has something to do with sound config
[12:50] <JunkHunk> its the only thing not working
[12:51] <hateball> make sure it's using the right "main channel"
[12:51] <hateball> rightclick kmix in tray
[12:53] <JunkHunk> ouch
[12:53] <JunkHunk> you nailed
[12:54] <JunkHunk> I was using the graphics card HDMI channel which is not plugged
[12:54] <JunkHunk> cool
[12:54] <JunkHunk> depeche mode sounds cool now
[12:54] <JunkHunk> hateball you might not like slopes
[12:55] <JunkHunk> but balls??
[12:55] <JunkHunk> balls are fun!!!
[13:12] <hateball> xD
[13:19] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[13:22] <petsounds> hi. where do i find config file for kmail?
[13:32] <darokthar> https://userbase.kde.org/Kmail/Configuring_Kmail#Options_without_a_user_interface_representation
[13:51] <petsounds> darokthar: thx
[13:59] <EvilRoey> Good morning all.
[14:00] <FlameReaper-PC> Is it me or is it that CIFS file mounting has this one problem
[14:01] <FlameReaper-PC> where if a mounted share's node is down
[14:01] <FlameReaper-PC> connection error or what have you
[14:01] <FlameReaper-PC> and the share is still mounted
[14:01] <FlameReaper-PC> any attempts to do file browsing hangs almost indefinitely
[14:01] <alvin> The year is 2014. I'm trying to find horizsync and vertrefresh of a monitor.... (that's a sign we need a bigger budget)
[14:02] <FlameReaper-PC> alvin: which reminds me, tearing is quite frequent
[14:02] <alvin> FlameReaper-PC: You're describing NFS :-) How is the share mounted? On your filesystem, or with KIO?
[14:02] <FlameReaper-PC> alvin: Hmm, not sure, all I can describe is that I use a program to handle mounting
[14:02] <FlameReaper-PC> smb4k it is
[14:03] <alvin> FlameReaper-PC: Oh, the issue here is old hardware. Very old hardware. < 2000.
[14:03] <alvin> Ah, I've never used that.
[14:04] <alvin> I always try to use NFS, and when I need SMB, usually kio is easy enough. Sometimes, I do the stuff manually too. Ehm, mount -t cifs (or is it smbfs again?) -o username=me //server/share /mnt
[14:04] <FlameReaper-PC> alvin: well before I used that, I followed some instructions in which it's to write some mount commands into the /etc/fstab file
[14:04] <alvin> there are more options, but that's basically it.
[14:05] <FlameReaper-PC> ... and yeah the same common problem whenever a connection lag/disconnection occurs
[14:05] <FlameReaper-PC> yeah that mount command is what I've used before I decided to use the program so that the process becomes one-click
[14:05] <alvin> I think that can be expected, no? Are there file sharing protocols who don't have trouble with that?
[14:06] <BluesKaj> cifs is usually used with samba /smb afaik
[14:06] <FlameReaper-PC> alvin: yeah but it's quite hurting when KDE opens the open file dialogue and it ends up not responding due to the mount being gone due to connection errors
[14:06] <alvin> If that's what you want, you can still add everything to /etc/fstab, and use the noauto,user options. You'll see the shares in Dolphin, and they will only be mounted when clicked upon.
[14:06] <FlameReaper-PC> ... maybe I should consider getting some extra LAN cables and stop depending on wireless to handle my connections
[14:07] <alvin> You should :-) KDE can't know that the share disconnected, unless it gets a timeout. And that, by definition, takes time.
[14:07] <FlameReaper-PC> alvin: I interpret "takes time" as in "forever" :p
[14:08] <FlameReaper-PC> at least I have a 8-port hub that I should utilize for my room
[14:08] <alvin> You should try NFS. Takes days :-)
[14:08] <FlameReaper-PC> alvin: wow
[14:08] <FlameReaper-PC> Now that makes me wonder about production studios
[14:08] <FlameReaper-PC> one I've went to uses NFS
[14:09] <alvin> 2 days ago, I installed a new FreeNAS system, imported the config, rebooted a few times, and saw that I forgot to unmount all NFS clients. After the whole upgrade process, all drives were back again. No issues, but very unresponsive during the downtime.
[14:09] <FlameReaper-PC> I imagine it'll be quite hell whenever a deadline for productions comes near and the NFS suddenly decides to sleep...
[14:10] <alvin> Yes, that's not good. I avoid wireless.
[14:11] <alvin> That's nice for tablets, but not for production stuff with fileservers.
[14:11] <alvin> FlameReaper-PC: Have you tried kio?
[14:11] <alvin> It's not fit for everything, but very handy.
[14:12] <alvin> LibreOffice doesn't like it too much. Pure KDE software usually has no trouble with it.
[14:12] <FlameReaper-PC> alvin: how do I use it?
[14:12] <FlameReaper-PC> by the way that's also a problem
[14:13] <alvin> Easy. In dolphin smb://fileserver
[14:13] <FlameReaper-PC> since I'm mounting my music folders for Audacious to play it
[14:13] <FlameReaper-PC> and Audacious is a GTK+ program
[14:13] <alvin> In Dolphin also: remote:/ You can create Network Folder links to all your favourite servers.
[14:13] <alvin> Hmmm
[14:14] <alvin> I don't know. You'll have to try. Maybe it works, but that's typically something where I would use fstab. (or something like daap when possible)
[14:15] <alvin> Gnome has something similar though.
[14:15] <alvin> gvfs?
[14:15] <jstaniek> hmm what should I enter about Kubuntu here? is there calligra for it? kubuntu-CI?
[14:16] <jstaniek> https://userbase.kde.org/Calligra/Download
[14:16] <jstaniek> (I mean recent versions > 2.8.5)
[14:16] <FlameReaper-PC> jstaniek: Wouldn't calligra be available from the backports PPA
[14:16] <FlameReaper-PC> oh
[14:16] <FlameReaper-PC> shouldn't it already be there
[14:16] <alvin> !info calligra
[14:16] <FlameReaper-PC> alvin: I'm not using GNOME, but yeah my other option is fstab
[14:17] <FlameReaper-PC> which is already being handled
[14:17] <FlameReaper-PC> guess I'll have to deal with the timeouts then :p
[14:17] <alvin> Yes, I believe you'll have to try to get your wireless more reliable.
[14:17] <alvin> maybe an extender, or homeplug+wifi combination
[14:20] <jstaniek> Anyone interested in updating https://userbase.kde.org/Calligra/Download#Kubuntu ? would be great, people are a bit confused if there's support
[14:20] <jstaniek> alvin: where can I find 2.8.6 at https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports  ?
[14:22] <alvin> jstaniek: You don't need backports. Version 2.8.6 is in the main archives. At least if you're using 14.10.
[14:23] <alvin> I don't think the people you're looking for are here. This is user support and that is a KDE site. But you could try in #kubuntu-devel
[14:25] <jstaniek> alvin: good, so is this description ok: https://paste.kde.org/p58uulnid ?
[14:26] <alvin> jstaniek: Looks like it. I checked. 2.8.1 is the version in 14.04
[14:27] <alvin> That reminds me that I need to check Calligra's progress from time to time. I still use LibreOffice, (although I don't have that much need for an Office Suite.)
[14:28] <alvin> apt install calligra it is
[14:28] <jstaniek> yep, the first step to have it available widely, it seems non-rolling distros get outdated quickly
[14:28] <jstaniek> it == always newest version
[14:38] <samskiter> hi. struggling to get a second monitor to appear on my machine
[14:39] <samskiter> hi. trying to get a second monitor workiong on my machine. how can i clean out any old nvidia stuff?
[14:44] <alvin> samskiter: With luck, remove (or move) your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file if there is one, and you're done. What driver?
[14:45] <samskiter> alvin its an nvidia proprietary driver. just managed to find what i had an remove it (nvidia-304)
[14:47] <alvin> That used to be jockey, but I have no idea how the new program is called. I used jockey-text before permanently switching to nouveau
[14:47] <samskiter> yea iw as getting an error about jockey
[14:49] <BluesKaj> samskiter, which kubuntu version ...jockey is depracated on the later versions
[14:50] <BluesKaj> samskiter, which kubuntu version ...jockey is depracated on the later versions
[14:50] <alvin> BluesKaj: Any idea what the new command is?
[14:55] <samskiter> alvin: i had no xorg.conf file
[14:55] <alvin> That's good. It's easier.
[14:56] <samskiter> should it just be a case of restarting x to get it to pick up the externam?
[14:56] <samskiter> external*
[14:59] <samskiter> alvin: xrandr shows a 'virtual' monitor as disconnected and a VGA as disconnected
[14:59] <samskiter> which of those wouldbe my hdmi port?
[14:59] <alvin> LVDS I think. Those names depend on the driver. Have you tried the KDE System Settings?
[15:03] <BluesKaj> alvin, i just look in system settings>driver manager>recommended drivers
[15:04] <alvin> Yeah, me too. But I like doing stuff like that from the command line.
[15:04] <alvin> Jockey-cli was slow, but it worked
[15:16] <BluesKaj> alvin, the cli just launches the same app ...what's the difference
[15:21] <alvin> BluesKaj: No, jockey-cli could be run without a running X server
[15:22] <BluesKaj> so you run it in the tty/vt ?
[15:24] <alvin> indeed
[15:24] <alvin> Wel, *ran :-)
[15:28] <BluesKaj> well alvin I don't see the point of installing from the cli without X, it doesn't make a bit of difference for graphics drivers, unless your gpu drivers are broken and need a different driver, but to each his own
[15:31] <alvin> Exactly! That's a very good reason. That way, you can easily switch drivers. Times are better now, but I've remember configuring X before autoconfiguration, evdev, etc,... I'm the kind of person that prefers to boot to a TTY, and then uses startx. (Ok, I'm not doing that on Kubuntu, but I like to be able to do it.)
[15:35] <BluesKaj> startx isn't the correct command anymore, the correct method is to restart the display manager, most likely lightdm
[15:38]  * alvin doesn't need display managers :-p
[15:38] <alvin> There's a sticker on the box next to me: X - indirect servername to launch the XDMCP chooser
[15:39] <alvin> I admit to be curious to what Wayland will offer though.
[15:39] <BluesKaj> you need the display manger/greeter to login unles you login from the the vt/tty
[15:41] <BluesKaj> ok , stuff to do for a while ...bbl
[16:12] <mdlpe> hello, i made a fresh install of Kubuntu 1404, somedy used optimus vidéo card ?
[16:51] <samskiter> my system is totally messed up now. i installed a driver from the NVIDIA site and got a resolution of 640x 480. uninstaled it and got caught in a loginscreen loop. i've reinstalled it now , but I'm still stuck at this resolution. how can i clear out everything and get back to something sane
[16:55] <vladimir_> Hello
[16:58] <vladimir_> Hello!  I was over at the #ubuntu channel and didn't see your message.
[19:20] <noah> krytarik: you still there? I was over at the #ubuntu channel and didn't see your message.
[19:21] <krytarik> noah: Well, you can see *now*. :)
[19:22] <noah> krytarik: yep. So my touchpad was working and then I accidentally pressed Ctrl-{F1,F2,F3, or F4 I forget) instead of Ctrl-F5.
[19:24] <noah> krytarik: It stopped working, and I though the computer was hung but maybe I just though that because the mousepad stopped working... Anyway, I restarted the computer w/ the keyboard and now Kubuntu says "No touchpad found" in Touchpad in Input Devices
[19:30] <noah> krytarik: hello?
[19:37] <simplify> #ubuntu-kernel
[19:37] <simplify> opps
[19:41] <genii> Hm
[21:54] <delt> Hello
[21:55] <delt> trying kubuntu in a VM.... so far, really nice system!
[21:55] <delt> but it really should include gcc in the default install... at least VirtualBox guest additions depends on it, and probably other stuff as well.
[21:57] <delt> it doesn't show up in the software center, and getting it from the command-line with apt-get is really not user-friendly for beginners.
[21:57] <delt> anyway, just my $0.02 =)
[21:59] <keithzg> delt: Well, the VirtualBox guest additions are the ones doing things wrong, honestly, since they aren't installing as a .deb! If they were, they could properly proclaim what their dependencies are.
[21:59] <keithzg> Although yeah, from my perspective I outright wish that the build-essential metapackage was default, heh.
[22:00] <keithzg> If I'm installing kubuntu-desktop, I'm expecting the *full* dekstop, and how is it a full desktop without compilers? ;)
[22:00] <delt> keithzg: yeah but it needs to build a kernel module, which is going to be different for each machine, or a headache to maintain with all the different kernel versions and builds
[22:03] <keithzg> delt: that's fair enough, but again, then it should ship as a .deb that depends on gcc so that when it's installed and then runs to compile the kernel module that it can rely on gcc being there!
[22:04] <delt> keithzg: good point
[22:04] <keithzg> In fairness, the main VirtualBox package *does* recommend gcc; the problem is that in this day and age of GUI package managers, the recommends are generally just unseen and ignored, heh.
[22:08] <delt> anyway, i personally don't use KDE, but being used to setup machines for other people, i can appreciate a good OS when i see one =)
[22:09] <delt> just wanted to share my $0.02... peace  o/
[22:10] <keithzg> :)
[22:29] <Roey> hello all
[22:29] <Roey> anyone here?
[22:37] <keithzg> Yes and no ;)
[22:38] <keithzg> If ya have a question, generally best to just ask it, and if anyone has ideas or answers they'll chime in.
[22:39] <Roey> Keithy
[22:39] <Roey> ok.;
[22:39] <Roey> my system is SO SLOW after I upgraded from 14.04 -> 14.10.  I want to re-install a clean thing.
[22:39] <Roey> a clean installation.
[22:40] <Roey> I use BTRFS, where @home is mounted on /home and @ is mounted on /
[22:41] <Roey> if I re-install, how do I keep @home from getting obliterated but ensure that @ gets overwritten?
[22:41] <Roey> keithzg:  ^
[22:42] <keithzg> Uhhh hmmm. I'm not sure that the installer actually understands btrfs subvolumes, or at least not automatically. Might be a better plan though to just figure out *why* it's going slow.
[22:43] <keithzg> Either that, or just back up your home dir and then restore it afterwards.
[22:44] <keithzg> Is there any indication that something is hogging a lot of resources if you look at, say, KSysGuard?
[22:44] <keithzg> Roey: ^
[22:47] <Roey> ok, so:
[22:47] <Roey> keithzg:  sorry, I was AFK
[22:47] <Roey> keithzg:  I've done the following:
[22:48] <Roey> 1) ran 'top' to figure out which process is hogging the CPU;
[22:48] <Roey> it was firefox, and also amarok, when I was using amarok.
[22:48] <Roey> They were both consuming 100+% CPU time
[22:48] <Roey> I tried vmstat l  at the suggestion of one of the other helpers here
[22:48] <Roey> I tried strace -p $firefox_pid
[22:49] <Roey> to see if it's making any calls that are taking long
[22:49] <Roey> but it was too voluminous
[22:49] <Roey> I tried moving ~/.firefox out of the way and starting fresh,
[22:49] <Roey> but it is still slow.
[22:49] <Roey> I tried logging in as a different user, but it was still slow.
[22:50] <Roey> it happened once I upgraded from 14.04 -> 14.10 as I said before.  You note that it's much easier to just figure out the cause of the slowden than reinstall fresh.  Okay, I'm down with that.
[22:50] <Roey> (Because otherwise I'd have to re-configure and re-secure a fresh installation)
[22:50] <Roey> keithzg:  ^
[22:53] <keithzg> Hmm, interesting.
[22:54] <keithzg> Is there anything taking up a ton of RAM?
[22:55] <keithzg> Although I can't quite think of what would create the specific symptoms you've experienced.
[22:55] <Roey> hmm
[22:55] <Roey> well firefox is taking 8% RAM
[22:55] <Roey> I have 8 GB
[22:55] <keithzg> (If you *are* going to reinstall you can always just dump your list of packages and feed it back in again to automatically reinstall them, though, which should save a bunch of time.)
[22:56] <Roey> oh, interesting.
[22:56] <Roey> OK then.
[22:56] <Roey> Wellll I have some packages that I downloaded
[22:56] <Roey> like python odf
[22:56] <Roey> that I got with pip
[22:56] <Roey> keithzg:  I looked for what is eating RAM
[22:56] <Roey> and didn't really fidn it
[22:57] <Roey> I have ~4GB as buffers
[22:57] <Roey> and only 500MB of swap being used
[23:01] <keithzg> Hmm, so it's not that it's crunching along trying to offload to swap, yeah.
[23:06] <Roey> right right
[23:07] <Roey> keithzg: good insight :)
[23:09] <keithzg> Roey: I can't say I can think of anything obvious to test, then. So, if you do go the reinstall route, take a gander at https://wiki.debian.org/ListInstalledPackages for how to dump and then restore a list of packages.
[23:10] <Roey> ok
[23:10] <Roey> thanks very much!
[23:11] <keithzg> Mostly it's "dpkg --get-selections > installed-software.log" to dump your current setup, then "dpkg --set-selections < installed-software.log" to tell the system what you want installed and "apt-get dselect-upgrade" to act upon those intentions :)
[23:12] <Roey> oh that's interesting ninja action
[23:12] <Roey> I've been with Debian since 1999 or so and have wrestled many gorillas, but this is new to me
[23:12] <Roey> keithzg:  thanks :)
[23:12] <keithzg> Yeah, I've had to do that before when encountering major filesystem corruption but the disk drive itself was fine. No problem, Roey, best of luck!
[23:12]  * keithzg has gotta run
[23:12] <Roey> aye, ciao!


[19:33] <pikapi> hi, how can i download driver for my onboard graphics controller that has pixel shader 3.0 support?
[19:39] <pikapi> ubuntu 14.04
[20:15] <ubuntourist> So. I'm using kxstudio's cadence on an Acer Chromebook that I've reformatted as an Ubuntu Studio box. USB headphones work great, but playback through Acer's speakers not working.  Solutions?
[22:35] <ubuntourist> Got cut off earlier. Dunno if there was a reply to my query.
[22:35] <ubuntourist> Said query follows:
[22:37] <ubuntourist> kxstudio's cadence works great getting jack-pulse-alsa playing together... for my USB headphones. Anyone know why it doesn't play over the Acer Chromebook's built-in speakers?
[22:37] <ubuntourist> ChromeOS has been wiped completely from the machine. It's now Ubuntu Studio + kxstudio.


[05:47] <purencool> Hi ubuntu people does anyone in here know anything about bash scripts
[05:52] <purencool> don't worry I found the #bash


[11:35] <seb128> rbasak, Robert got the fix from SRU bug #1722185 merged upstream (mentioning it here since I don't know if you guys get emails for the SRU followups)
[13:47] <xnox> tseliot, i have questions about your backport for bug #1777099
[13:47] <xnox> tseliot, can you talk now?
[13:47] <tseliot> xnox: sure
[13:48] <xnox> tseliot, first hunk appears to be this commit https://github.com/systemd/systemd/commit/51ead3e3774aa9306d637723d92bbddf2258d2cb
[13:49] <xnox> tseliot, then this commit does not appear to have been cherrypicked https://github.com/systemd/systemd/commit/8b983cc74a85bda4d662fd822b433327fc568d40 but rather got squished into
[13:50] <xnox> https://github.com/systemd/systemd/commit/1bef256cf5838d4bbc55654206aa6254d7fddb59
[13:50] <xnox> but these are the things that need to be backported right?
[13:50] <tseliot> xnox: I think the first patch failed to apply, but I probably should've cherrypicked the 2nd commit instead
[13:51] <xnox> ack, no worries, just trying to collect history. Plus upstream changed ids upon merging (they do that a lot)
[13:51] <xnox> tseliot, but as far as I can tell nothing needs to be done for cosmic, as proposed has v238 with all of these things in already.
[13:51] <xnox> (it hasn't migrated to release pocket, but that's a different story)
[13:52] <tseliot> xnox: yes, 238 has those commits
[13:52] <tseliot> xnox: but yes, those are the commits we need
[13:52] <xnox> tseliot, cool. thanks. I'm preparing the bionic upload now.
[13:53] <xnox> probably will be accepted into proposed on monday the earliest, due to the other critical upgrade bug.
[13:53] <tseliot> xnox: thats' great, thanks, so that I can finally fix this LP: #1778011
[13:53] <xnox> ouch
[13:54] <tseliot> exactly
[14:35] <xnox> tseliot, hm.... there are more code changes before & after (with a few more additions and reverts) and i think i may want to backport the whole lot of commits.
[14:35] <xnox> which should fix a few more issues around opening/closing/passing those device fds around
[14:35] <xnox> and should make the code in bionic, match more closely that is now shipped in v238 and later
[14:36] <xnox> i'll prepare the stack of commits that i want to cherrypick, will attach on the bug for you to re-review. It's all of those, plus more.
[14:39] <tseliot> xnox: ok, whatever works best for you. Just keep in mind that I'll be off next week until Wednesday, and I'll be back on Thursday
[14:41] <xnox> tseliot, ah, i see. ok.
[14:49] <seb128> is there a known issue with ppc64el/cosmic? I see a bunch of things blocked on ppc64e lines on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_output.txt
[15:04] <Laney> seb128: you just see one architecture there even if there's a problem on multiple
[15:04] <Laney> the first entry is probably https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plastimatch/1.7.0+dfsg.1-1build1 for example
[15:04] <Laney> Not sure why it's chosen ppc64el given the "Arch order" list at the top, mind you
[15:04] <seb128> Laney, it was always like that? I though it used to have lines for every arch
[15:04] <seb128> Laney, thx
[15:05] <Laney> You see all arches when it tries hints (at the end of the file)
[15:09] <seb128> Laney, I'm looking at network-manager and there is no section where it has more than ppc64el
[15:09] <seb128> let me see in a pbuilder on amd64 though
[15:09] <seb128> to see if I get an issue there
[15:10] <Laney> yes, that wasn't tried by the hinter
[15:10] <Laney> the output just refreshed and now it says amd64 again
[15:10] <Laney> go figure
[15:11] <seb128> ah, yeah
[15:11] <seb128> Laney, thx
[15:14] <Laney> seb128: I think your problem is probably that nm-applet isn't considered
[15:14] <Laney> Jeremy dropped that pkg in his latest upload
[15:14] <Laney> gir1.2-nmgtk-1.0
[15:15] <seb128> Laney, I never remember, can I hint britney to try them together? or is that something I need to ping you to do for me? ;)
[15:15] <Laney> seb128: a hint's not going to solve that one, it is not a candidate on update_excuses
[15:15] <Laney> but no, that's release team only
[15:18] <Laney> that problem looks like component-mismatches to me
[15:19] <Laney> for some reason libnm-gtk-dev is in main in cosmic-proposed but universe in cosmic
[15:23] <seb128> Laney, thanks for pointing that one, that's something I can change if needed
[15:28] <Laney> seb128: it's also trying to put the ayatana indicator stuff in main...
[15:28] <Laney> unless network-manager-gnome can get demoted too
[15:29] <seb128> ah, that's a Debian change to revert until that stack gets MIRed
[15:29] <seb128> I'm going to look into that


[00:07] <AlanBell> !info python-zsi
[00:07] <AlanBell> !info python-zsi precise
[00:07] <AlanBell> !info python-zsi testing
[01:14] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Tutorial Video: Reporting a Bug in Ubuntu - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/02/28/tutorial-video-reporting-a-bug-in-ubuntu/
[03:14] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] launchpadlib et al Guidance - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/02/28/launchpadlib-et-al-guidance/
[04:14] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Call For Manual Test Writers - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/02/28/call-for-manual-test-writers/
[06:07] <knightwise> hey hey
[07:38] <popey> Morning all
[07:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> art'nune
[07:39] <czajkowski> morning
[07:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> Interesting device: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2012/02/linux-computer-the-size-of-a-thumb-drive-now-available-for-preorder.ars Not cheap though...
[07:42] <popey> riding on the raspberry pi coat-tails of mindshare
[07:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> WP7 has a rather gaping flaw: http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2012/02/skype-beta-for-windows-phone-arrives-but-it-shows-the-limits-of-the-platform.ars
[07:54] <popey> daubers: next time you see your guy from black magic, can you tell them their support sucks giant donkeys balls
[07:56] <czajkowski> and good morning to you to popey
[07:58] <knightwise> hey everyone
[07:58] <knightwise> good morning ! :
[08:06] <MooDoo> hello all
[08:10] <knightwise> hey moodoo , how are you today
[08:11] <MooDoo> knightwise: ah not bad thanks
[08:12] <MooDoo> you?
[08:20] <knightwise> Doin fine ,
[08:20] <knightwise> just pimped out my old EEEPc 701 with Crunchbang , remote SSH and teamviewer
[08:20] <knightwise> gonna shove it under a closet at my parents place and use it as a remote little server
[08:21] <daubers> popey: ?
[08:21] <daubers> also, morning
[08:21] <popey> morning
[08:22] <daubers> Not got your card back yet? or back in the same state?
[08:22] <popey> no, i moved the card to another pc to test it
[08:22] <popey> and can't compile the silly binary driver for it
[08:22] <popey> so can't use it at all
[08:22] <daubers> Ah. *nix binary driver?
[08:22] <popey> yes
[08:22] <daubers> What kernel?
[08:23] <popey> 3.2.0
[08:24] <daubers> 12.04?
[08:24] <popey> ya
[08:24] <daubers> Wonder if a kernel change has broked it... they test upto 11.04
[08:24] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/860235
[08:26]  * daubers grabs and has a mooch
[08:28] <daubers> Also, looking at a phone for work... don't want another galaxy s2 (too confusing) any opinions on the HTC sensation?
[08:31] <daubers> popey: You running 64bit or 32bit?
[08:32] <popey> 64
[08:35]  * daubers install dkms
[08:38] <daubers> popey: Did you pop them a support thing?
[08:39] <popey> i emailed them
[08:39] <daubers> ok
[08:39] <popey> on the 23rd
[08:39] <daubers> No reply at all?
[08:40] <popey> nope
[08:40] <daubers> Hmm....
[08:40] <daubers> I'll ring them and harass them when their office opens
[08:40] <popey> hence my donkey balls comment
[08:40] <popey> but you shouldn't have to
[08:40] <daubers> Heh, general comment on _everywhere_ is that if you want something done, use the telephone
[08:41] <daubers> As when you email, it'll depend who's desk the email ends up
[08:41] <czajkowski> today is a bacon sandwich day, which is usually only reserved for weekend treats, but due to emails at this hour of the morning, I need cheering up
[08:41] <popey> daubers: gimmie their phone number and I will call them
[08:42] <daubers> czajkowski: http://youtu.be/BhUZmvAEIN4 <- that'll cheer you up
[08:42] <daubers> popey: +44 1565 830049
[08:42] <popey> ta
[08:42] <daubers> Office opens at 9
[08:44] <MooDoo> hugs and prods to czajkowski as i've not done in awhile and davmor2 isn't here
[08:46] <daubers> When I look at bike insurance costs, I often wonder why I own a car
[08:47] <MooDoo> daubers: costs me about 300 ish a year fully comp
[08:47] <daubers> MooDoo: Little commuter is £87 TFT
[08:47] <daubers> MooDoo: Car is ~£700
[08:47] <MooDoo> daubers: my bike is a 600cc
[08:47] <popey> my car is ~300
[08:47]  * daubers gets grumpy about old people who managed to get car insurance when it was sensibly priced
[08:48] <MooDoo> daubers: my insurance goes down this year to as i'm 40 ;) lol
[08:48]  * daubers shakes fist in a grumpy manner
[08:49] <daubers> Old people have all the benefits. They had sensibly priced insurance, sensibly priced houses and managed to take advantage of things like the stock market before it broke
[08:49]  * popey pokes aquarius with bug 942312
[08:49] <aquarius> popey, that's a dobey thing, or a mandel thing, that
[08:50] <popey> ok
[08:53] <diplo> Morning all
[08:55] <Mez> I know I connected to IRC for something ... but can't remember what...
[08:57]  * christel cheers czajkowski up
[08:57]  * MooDoo hugs christel just coz he can :D
[08:58] <christel> wooo
[08:58]  * christel hugs MooDoo
[08:58] <MooDoo> yay o/
[08:59] <czajkowski> christel: <3
[09:00] <czajkowski> christel: wanna see bday pics of cuteness
[09:03] <MooDoo> czajkowski: do we really wanna see pics of you? ;) lol
[09:04] <christel> haha
[09:04] <christel> he loved rugby tots
[09:04] <czajkowski> eh no
[09:04] <czajkowski> christel: awww
[09:07] <MooDoo> i asked my son if he liked rugby the other day while watching england, he said no it's boring, i feel so ashamed :S
[09:07] <MooDoo> lol
[09:08] <AlanBell> this is a thing that bastubis (Paula) is putting together -> http://www.flossie.org/?page_id=175
[09:08] <christel> MooDoo: haha
[09:09] <christel> MooDoo: i felt slightly mean taking him to rugby tots, they do 2-3.5 years, the other kids were like 3-3.5, he started the day before his second birthday
[09:09] <christel> so he was TINY compared to the rest of them
[09:09] <christel> he was a tad unsure to start with but then he got really into it
[09:10] <MooDoo> christel: well he's only 3 lol
[09:10] <MooDoo> l
[09:11] <christel> his paternal grandfather used to play for pontyprydd(sp?) and rugby is huge on that side of the family
[09:12] <christel> so i had no choice but to start him early as they've decided he's going to become an international (grandad has it all sussed out, he says that if he's really good he can play for wales, if he's not quite as good he can play for england and if he's really rubbish he can play for norway)
[09:12] <christel> (it makes me giggle)
[09:18] <bigcalm[xoom]> Good morning 1 and all
[09:19] <czajkowski> christel: wales did very good at the weekend against england :)
[09:19] <TheOpenSourcerer> that was a cracking game - best I have seen in ages.
[09:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> England played really well for a new team but Wales deserved the win.
[09:20] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: see now why can't you be as gracious when ireland win :)
[09:20] <christel> yeah, thank god -- we had the in-laws here and i feared they'd get divorced (i always do when england - wales play)
[09:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> Isn't it obvious czajkowski?
[09:21] <christel> how was your game in reading btw?
[09:21] <czajkowski> christel: good fun
[09:21] <czajkowski> winning till the last 2 mins literally
[09:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> We are taking the kids to this: http://www.saracensatwembley.com/
[09:22] <czajkowski> lotta messy ball playing but was nice
[09:22] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: sweet
[09:22] <czajkowski> shall be going back to ireland that day
[09:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> £40 for the family :-D
[09:22] <czajkowski> thats very good
[09:22] <czajkowski> I do liek the fact that rugby gamves over here are pretty reasonable to go to tbh
[09:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yeah - £15 adults, £5 kids. Via the school.
[09:23] <czajkowski> bar the flipping international ones :/
[09:25] <christel> nice
[09:25] <diplo> bigcalm[xoom], Still broke then ? 12.47 didn't come to fruition ?
[09:26]  * czajkowski wants tickets for ireland v engalnd on paddys day :(
[09:28] <daubers> bigcalm[xoom]: time to change providers?
[09:32] <mattt> yeeehaw
[09:33] <mattt> czajkowski: oooh, that'll be a good game
[09:33] <bigcalm[xoom]> diplo: this is the case. The service status page still says 12.47am today. They aren't very good at communicating to customers
[09:34] <bigcalm[xoom]> daubers: na, it's just a bumb in the road I hope. Will wait it out but will still be moaning about it ;)
[09:34] <diplo> heh I know bigcalm[xoom]
[09:35] <diplo> Have you tried via twitter/mailing lists
[09:35] <diplo> Used to be very active on ML's
[09:35] <diplo> Level 2's
[09:36] <daubers> bigcalm[xoom]: Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
[09:36] <daubers> bigcalm[xoom]: VM have always been terrible (YMMV)
[09:37] <popey> MMV
[09:37] <daubers> It also seems to vary hugely on which cable provider used to be in your area before VM bought them
[09:37] <bigcalm[xoom]> I've had a good service from them in general
[09:38] <bigcalm[xoom]> Morning pope
[09:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> That's a bloody good deal: www.somobile.co.uk/news/2012/02/28/htc-one-x-available-free-on-31-t-mobile-tariff/
[09:38] <bigcalm[xoom]> Y
[09:38] <bigcalm[xoom]> popey
[09:38] <czajkowski> we've just handed in notice to VM and are leaving them
[09:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> Think now I'm going to wait for the S III though.
[09:38] <czajkowski> upping rates for no reason
[09:39] <diplo> heh TheOpenSourcerer I'm thinking the same thing
[09:39] <bigcalm[xoom]> Telewest here
[09:40] <diplo> TW for me as well, overall they were always good
[09:40] <daubers> I'm half tempted to get a windows phone for work
[09:41] <daubers> just to see if they're any good
[09:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> daubers: Did you see this? http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2012/02/skype-beta-for-windows-phone-arrives-but-it-shows-the-limits-of-the-platform.ars
[09:42] <daubers> TheOpenSourcerer: Yeah... they're still a bit behind
[09:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> No multi-tasking for voip - so Skype is pretty broken.
[09:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> Bizarre.
[09:44] <daubers> It's annoying that vodafone don't seem to have any phones with NFC in other than the Nexus
[09:46] <bigcalm[xoom]|> It's still a new
[09:46] <bigcalm[xoom]|> Tech
[09:47] <bigcalm[xoom]|> Blah tablet keyboard. I should use the voice to text
[09:47] <mattt> yikes, i just subscribed to VM :-/
[09:48] <mattt> i thought the service so far has been good tho, the guy who installed the service gave me someone's mobile # to ring if we had any issues/questions
[09:48] <mattt> thought that was kind of out htere
[09:49] <gordonjcp> mattt: if it's an initial install quite often the engineer will give you one of his install team's mobile numbers in case there are problems with the install
[09:50] <diplo> Doubt it works mattt  :)
[09:50] <mattt> diplo: kinda had that feeling also :)
[09:50] <mattt> gordonjcp: suppose so, guess i haven't had cable set up enough :)
[09:50] <diplo> heh like the women who give out fake numbers
[09:51] <diplo> TheOpenSourcerer, Going to use your new notes tonight for OpenERP on my home PC
[09:51] <diplo> Will let you know how well they work :)
[09:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> Cool
[09:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> Have had almost 30 comments already.
[09:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> Seems to work fine for most.
[09:52] <diplo> Good, mine was working fine but want a clean install now I sort of understand it
[09:53] <diplo> Going to make an image for these guys to play with at home
[10:00] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:03] <hoover> hi all
[10:04] <brobostigon> hi hoover
[10:07] <JamesTait> Good morning all! :D
[10:09] <MooDoo> morning
[10:10] <brobostigon> where are $term entries stored?
[10:11] <brobostigon> ie, the entries i get, when i run set in terminal.
[10:11] <dwatkins> stored whilst the terminal is running, or read from when it starts, brobostigon?
[10:12] <brobostigon> dwatkins: good question, i am getting an error with byobu, that asks me to edit $term, when i try and start it from connectbot.
[10:13] <popey> that will be set by your terminal
[10:13] <popey> connectbot in this case
[10:13] <dwatkins> I thought it was in /etc/termcap or something like that, but I may be misunderstanding
[10:13] <dwatkins> Is it not an uppercase $TERM?
[10:13] <dwatkins> I had to set this up manually for my serial-connected WYSE 35 terminal a few years back, I just used 'termcap' iirc
[10:13] <brobostigon> popey: ok, so it will be a setting in connectbot somewhere
[10:14] <brobostigon> ??
[10:14] <dwatkins> Perhaps 'terminfo' instead, but you shouldn't have to do that. What's the error, brobostigon?
[10:15] <dwatkins> I tend to cheat and set TERM=linux screen -dr
[10:15] <dwatkins> (because I connect to screen from inside screen and it doesn't understand the TERM setting it provides to itself, ironically)
[10:16] <brobostigon> ERROR: Sessions should be nested with care. Remove 'screen' from $TERM to force.
[10:16] <brobostigon> that is the error.
[10:16] <HoaxKey> \join #latex
[10:16] <dwatkins> sounds similar to what I get.
[10:16] <HoaxKey> whoops
[10:17] <popey> surely you're already in screen, trying to start screen
[10:17] <popey> that seems not what you want
[10:18] <dwatkins> popey: I run screen on my Mac, ssh to my ubuntu machine, and reconnect there.
[10:18] <dwatkins> I also ssh to a BSD box and reconnect to a screen session there.
[10:19] <czajkowski> is AlanBell alive? or have the chickens come home to roost
[10:19] <dwatkins> hmmm, it doesn't seem to need my "TERM=linux" today, I wonder what changed.
[10:19] <popey> dwatkins: i mean, brobostigon is inside screen and he's trying to re-attach to screen
[10:19] <popey> which seems to not be what he wants
[10:20] <brobostigon> byobu with screen, yes.
[10:20] <dwatkins> ah yes, that does seem a little recursive ;)
[10:21] <dwatkins> I've had nested screen sessions on the same machine before, though.
[10:24] <czajkowski> bah poxy credit checks am gonna keep failing them for 2 more years so cant buy a phone on contract
[10:26] <dwatkins> was someone at your address naughty, czajkowski? :-/
[10:26] <MooDoo> czajkowski: pain in the ass that is isn't it :(
[10:29] <bigcalm[xoom]> Note to self: tablet Internet connection will drop if you remove the phone from house
[10:31] <DJones> bigcalm[xoom]: Stop working in the garden then
[10:31] <s-fox> Hello.
[10:31] <czajkowski> dwatkins: I'm not here three years
[10:32] <czajkowski> doesnt matter about my address
[10:32] <bigcalm[xoom]> DJones: I went to bring the wheely bin back to the house. Never know when you'll need your phone
[10:32] <DJones> Hah
[10:36] <bigcalm[xoom]> Mmmmm, that was a good pot noodle
[10:37] <gord> i've never seen the words "good" and "Pot noodle" in the same sentence before... you must be sick, poor guy
[10:37] <bigcalm[xoom]> :p
[10:38]  * diplo agress with gord
[10:40] <mattt> czajkowski: when we moved to UK, my gf was able to get a contract w/ vodafone immediately, i wasn't
[10:40] <mattt> neither of us had lved in UK before :-/
[10:40] <bigcalm[xoom]> I add soya and tabasco sauce
[10:40] <brobostigon> ok, weird, byobu -r -d, worked in connectbot.
[10:41] <diplo> bigcalm[xoom], and that makes it better... it's still a pot noodle :D
[10:42] <gord> bigcalm[xoom], buy a wok, boil up some noodles or rice, throw some veggies and meat in the wok, cook it up with some nice sauce, throw the noodles in, instant tasty food, takes about as long as a pot noodle too :P
[10:42] <daubers> \o/ confused the estate agents
[10:43] <bigcalm[xoom]> gord: far too much hassle
[10:47] <AlanBell> czajkowski: yes, quite alive
[10:51] <andyloughran> guys - anyone know of good alternatives to TinyMCE / CKEditor?
[10:52] <andyloughran> pref Open Source (bien sur)
[10:52] <andyloughran> big part would be the images side of things?
[10:54] <andyloughran> man, quiet in here today?
[10:54] <diplo> KCFinder andylockran
[10:54] <diplo> oops
[10:54] <andyloughran> :p
[10:54] <diplo> andyloughran,
[10:55] <andyloughran> is that not open source ?
[10:55] <diplo> It is
[10:55] <andyloughran> CKFinder _is_ open source?
[10:55] <diplo> It's licensed, KCFinder is a rewrite of CKFinder because he didn't like the license
[10:55] <diplo> sunhater.com or something i think
[10:56] <andyloughran> merci
[10:56] <diplo> This is from memory, not looked in a while :)
[10:56] <diplo> We use kcfinder in our app, funnily enough working on it right this second
[10:56] <oimon> can anyone convince me that 12.04 is worth trying to solve my performance problems for gnome shell / nvidia / 11.10 ?
[10:57] <oimon> about to go back to 10.04
[10:57] <davmor2> morning all, czajkowski prod!
[10:57] <czajkowski> davmor2: ello ello
[10:58] <czajkowski> https://twitter.com/#!/czajkowski/status/174447686420926464/photo/1
[11:01] <AlanBell> oimon: I tend to thing forwards is a better direction than backwards
[11:03] <oimon> AlanBell, define "forwards" :)
[11:03] <oimon> linux is broken for me since 2011
[11:03]  * popey notes a potential large performance boost in compiz in the pipeline
[11:03] <AlanBell> so go to the latest release, and fix it
[11:04] <AlanBell> or beyond the latest release as the case may be
[11:05] <popey> https://code.launchpad.net/~vanvugt/compiz-core/fix-940139/+merge/94728
[11:05] <AlanBell> popey: on specific chipsets or in general?
[11:05] <popey> "DOUBLED the CPU performance of compiz. "
[11:05] <oimon> looks like unity has the same issues http://askubuntu.com/questions/78237/unity-3d-with-nvidia-driver-becomes-very-slow-and-laggy
[11:05] <AlanBell> woah
[11:05] <popey> indeed
[11:06] <popey> this build of compiz should have it https://launchpad.net/~sil2100/+archive/ppa
[11:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> andylockran: Have you seen http://aloha-editor.org/ before?
[11:07] <popey> oimon: bug filed?
[11:07]  * popey filed bug 942545 if anyone has five mins to test from a live stick I'd appreciate it
[11:07] <oimon> popey, yes i clicked "me too" but can't find it atm
[11:10] <diplo> TheOpenSourcerer, I like the look of that, and you poked the wrong andyloughran
[11:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> gah
[11:10] <diplo> :D
[11:10] <diplo> I did to before
[11:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> andyloughran: Have you seen http://aloha-editor.org/ before?
[11:11] <oimon> is the global menu "turn off" option coming to 12.04?
[11:11] <andyloughran> TheOpenSourcerer:  I've not, thamnks
[11:12] <popey> oimon: not sure yet
[11:13] <oimon> aww.
[11:13] <oimon> still hoping that it will move the buttons onto the app window for maximised apps
[11:14] <popey> que?
[11:15] <popey> the close/min/max buttons?
[11:15] <popey> where would they go in the window?
[11:16] <AlanBell> oimon: put your buttons back on the left!
[11:19] <oimon> i've tried...i just hate the left buttons/global menu layout so much
[11:19] <oimon> :(
[11:20] <davmor2> MooDoo: Morning dude
[11:20] <MooDoo> davmor2: ello laddo...
[11:29] <daubers> You know sometimes you have one of those days? Should they last 2 weeks?
[11:31] <andyloughran> yo
[11:34] <davmor2> daubers: in your case you possibly deserved it who did you annoy ;)
[11:34] <popey> chaps
[11:34] <davmor2> popey: morning dude
[11:34] <popey> this is an odd question.
[11:34] <popey> is it possible to stop the clock on my laptop?
[11:34] <popey> or slow it down dramatically
[11:34] <popey> so it always says "12.04" for like an hour
[11:34] <daubers> umm... why?
[11:34] <popey> so i can record video and know it will always say that
[11:35] <daubers> you could just put "date" into a while loop?
[11:35] <daubers> Might break stuff that relies on the clock
[11:36] <davmor2> popey: what happens to the clock if you open up clock setting and unlock it does it carry on as normal or does it stop where it is like a watch does?
[11:36] <popey> it carries on
[11:37] <daubers> popey: Be better to patch the clock widget thing :)
[11:37] <popey> hah
[11:38] <gord> argh
[11:38] <gord> ubuntu one decided to lose my files
[11:39] <davmor2> gord: blame aq
[11:39] <czajkowski> gord: you're not having a good week are you
[11:40] <daubers> popey: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/860402/
[11:40] <daubers> popey: May break things that rely on the clock :)
[11:40] <bigcalm[xoom]> Does u1 not have versioning?
[11:41] <popey> no
[11:41] <popey> haha daubers
[11:41] <gord> ugh yeah it lost my entire .vim directory
[11:42] <popey> have mine, it's empty already
[11:42] <daubers> Hmm... might have broken my mqtt connections by faffing with the clock...
[11:42] <popey> haha
[11:42] <daubers> Also apparently it breaks ping :)
[11:43] <davmor2> gord: you mean you have no backups, and has it actually wiped them from you system or just lost them online if it is the latter I'm pretty sure you can set it up to resync
[11:44] <gord> davmor2, i had an old .vim directory inside ~/Ubuntu One/ - copied my new vim directory into it, it decided to sync over the old vim directory that contained almost nothing
[11:45] <davmor2> gord: yes that's what it does you need to rename the file if you want more than one
[11:45] <gord> davmor2, no, it should of synced the new directory into the cloud and replicated on my other machines
[11:46] <daubers> Anybody know what the clock widget is actually called?
[11:46] <gord> i didn't want more than one, i wanted it to replace the old with the new
[11:46] <gord> daubers, indicator-datetime - its not a widget
[11:48] <dwatkins> heh, Ubuntu just told me I have a good password ;)
[11:48] <daubers> gord: Ta
[11:52] <daubers> gord: Can't actually find the indicator in the source... am I looking in the wrong place? Found all the gumpf for the settings panel
[11:52] <daubers> ah, hang on
[11:52] <daubers> found it
[11:52] <daubers> me being dumb again
[11:57] <popey> i tried attaching to the indicator-datetime using gdb to pause it
[11:59] <daubers> popey: Found a way to do it :)
[12:00] <daubers> popey: Use gconf editor, goto com->canonical->datetime set custom-time-format to 12:04 andd time-format to custom
[12:00] <daubers> and reberta is your transexual aunty
[12:00] <daubers> s/reberta/roberta
[12:01] <daubers> dconf-editor even
[12:02] <daubers> and it doesn't even break the system clock \o/
[12:02] <daubers> There's probably a way to do this using gsettings too
[12:02] <popey> i dont have datetime in canonical
[12:02] <popey> ahh, indicator
[12:03] <daubers> If you put random text in the custom-time-format box that appears in there too :)
[12:03]  * popey notes it's nearly 12.04
[12:04] <daubers> It's been 12:04 for the last 4 minutes :p
[12:04] <popey> mine didnt work
[12:05] <popey> ahh, didnt set format to custom
[12:05] <popey> brilliant!
[12:05] <popey> thank you!
[12:05] <daubers> Don't fprget to change it back, or you'll be late/early for everything
[12:06] <popey> hah
[12:43] <daubers> I do like the fact that my HDD is now the bottleneck with USB3
[12:46] <directhex> ssd time!
[12:47] <directhex> i have a new bin! \o/ o// \\o
[12:52] <AlanBell> popey: perma-lunchtime
[12:52] <popey> doubly so
[12:52] <directhex> i have a box of wine boxes i can't use :(
[12:52] <popey> i bought a USB3 to SATA converter. don't buy it, its broken ☹
[12:52] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/TeckNet-2-5USB-SATA-Drive-Enclosure/dp/B000WP3GG8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1330353401&sr=8-1  <- good
[12:53] <daubers> I've got an icybox one
[12:53] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Midte-External-Drive-Adapter-Cable/dp/B004LO59MK/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&qid=1330353299&sr=8-11  <- bad
[12:53] <popey> link me up please!
[12:53] <directhex> i've got sata ports on the back of my case
[12:53] <directhex> and some molex power sockets
[12:53] <daubers> Think it's this one... http://www.amazon.co.uk/IB-250StU3-BH-Enclosure-inch-12-5mm-Height/dp/B003XG08PA/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1330433610&sr=1-2
[12:53] <daubers> hang on, I'll find the box :)
[12:54] <daubers> It's an IB250 series
[12:54] <daubers> It is that one
[12:54] <daubers> part numbers match
[12:54] <popey> does it have a USB 3 port?
[12:54] <popey> doesnt look big enough
[12:54] <daubers> It's got one of the long USB3 ports
[12:54] <popey> did it come with a cable?
[12:55] <daubers> Yup :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Connector_USB_3_IMGP6033_wp_.jpg <- It's one of those
[12:55] <popey> golly
[12:55] <popey> need one kinda pronto ☹
[12:55] <daubers> Oh dear
[12:55] <davmor2> hey bigcalm[xoom] sadtrombone.com on VM
[12:55] <popey> ooo icybox is eligible for prime
[12:55] <popey> winner
[12:56] <popey> does it work in ubuntu daubers ?
[12:56] <daubers> Umm... seems to be on my laptop :) Suppose it should do as long as your USB3 ports work
[12:56] <daubers> It's just a mass storage majibber
[12:56] <popey> no
[12:57] <popey> i have discovered this today
[12:57] <daubers> really?
[12:57] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/860459/
[12:57] <popey> Feb 28 12:36:10 ubuntu kernel: [  438.138656] xhci_hcd 0000:0e:00.0: Timeout while waiting for address device command
[12:57] <popey> not all usb enclosures are the same
[12:57] <daubers> well, I'm currently copying stuff onto mine at ~ 80MB/s
[12:57] <daubers> using ubuntu
[12:57] <popey> which kernel?
[12:57] <daubers> 3.2.0-17-generic
[12:57] <popey> winner
[12:58] <daubers> works with 12.5mm drives too, which is why I got it
[13:01] <bigcalm[xoom]> davmor2: you've just noticed? ;)
[13:01] <davmor2> bigcalm[xoom]: no I just had time to mention it as I've killed the thing I'm testing and now need to wait for the devs to fix it
[13:02] <bigcalm[xoom]> Heh
[13:02]  * popey wonders how long to cook his beef wellington
[13:02] <davmor2> popey: long enough for it to be cooked
[13:03] <AlanBell> popey has beef wellington, I have beans on toast
[13:04] <gord> gord has nothing because the delivery man will show up the minute he leaves the house to get some grub
[13:10] <brobostigon> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1507816 interesting, for those that use android.
[13:12] <popey> meh
[13:13] <popey> i have an iphone with siri and have yet to use it other than test it for amusement ☺
[13:13] <brobostigon> agreed, that it is,
[13:14] <gord> i do use google voice search quite often
[13:14] <gord> but that is mostly because i hate typing on touch screens
[13:14] <ging> i tried evi on my s2
[13:15] <ging> i asked it what oil i needed to top up a 2005 mini cooper S, it gave me an answer about losing weight
[13:16] <brobostigon> lol
[13:16] <ging> now they are threatening to remove evi from the apple app store because it's too similar to siri, which i guess means siri is also terrible
[13:17] <gordonjcp> ging: to be fair if you lost weight the engine wouldn't have to work so hard and you'd get longer oil change intervals
[13:17] <gordonjcp> depending on how much you weigh to begin with
[13:21] <ging> the answer was something about being worried you are losing too much weight
[13:21] <ging> told me maybe i have a medical condition
[13:24] <ging> to be fair the correct answer did turn out to be stupidly complicated
[13:25] <shauno> I hope our robot overlords have a little more tact than that.  "it's difficult to explain .. so have a veiled insult instead"
[13:35] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod
[13:36] <czajkowski> davmor2: herrrrroo
[13:38] <davmor2> czajkowski: stop trying to sound cute it doesn't suit you ;)  I'm down your way on the 6th
[13:38] <czajkowski> of march?
[13:45] <aquarius> directhex, I have 1.2. :)
[13:45] <davmor2> czajkowski: yeap
[13:46] <gord> oh, u1 lost a bunch of other files too
[13:48] <czajkowski> davmor2: cool will be around
[13:48] <directhex> aquarius, apparently they forgot to enable video call support in 1.2 for the n9, just the n950 @_@
[13:48] <aquarius> directhex, doh. Good thing I don't use video calling
[13:49] <Myrtti> aquarius: you got N9 then?
[13:49] <aquarius> directhex, and annoyingly they've implemented HTML5 audio, but stupidly; it can't be controlled from JS, you just get a button which you can push to open the audio fullscreen like a video. Doh.
[13:49] <aquarius> Myrtti, ya. Blog post on that subject is in preparation ;)
[13:49] <Myrtti> oh dear :-P
[13:49] <directhex> i plan on blogging the lumia 800 too
[13:50] <Myrtti> I deny all responsibility
[14:05] <AlanBell> love it when customers try to get technical
[14:05] <AlanBell> "program form to fit smaller screens (600 x 800 dpi)"
[14:08] <popey> wow, can i get one of those screen?
[14:13] <bigcalm[xoom]> Aww bless
[14:13] <popey> beef wellington was yummy btw
[14:14] <czajkowski> oh that is one yummy dinner
[14:14]  * czajkowski wonders if she can bribe the mothership to cook it when she's home in April
[14:14] <davmor2> czajkowski: what you doing at popey's
[14:14] <czajkowski> beef wellington is a ymmy dinner
[15:04]  * oimon received his jot stylus for capacitive touchscreen.
[15:04]  * oimon sings happy birthday to himself
[15:05] <MooDoo> your birthday oimon ?  Happy Birthday :D
[15:05] <mattt> wewt, happy bday :D
[15:05] <oimon> why thankyou sir
[15:05] <oimon> s
[15:06] <oimon> i haven't told the chaps in the office or they will try to make me drink beer
[15:06] <oimon> i also discovered that applying a screen protector to a large surface such as a tablet is incredibly dificult
[15:08] <davmor2> oimon: hippo birdies
[15:08] <oimon> almost as old as popey :-S
[15:10] <oimon> i get tired walking down stairs now, not just going up then
[15:11]  * MooDoo is old in april...blimey that's close
[15:12] <davmor2> oimon: no that's no old thats just idle :P
[15:12] <diplo> Older than me, that's fine :)
[15:12] <MooDoo> diplo: no one is older than you :p
[15:12] <diplo> pfft
[15:13] <MooDoo> diplo: saying that don't even know how old you are lol
[15:13] <diplo> A mere young one, well that's what I keep telling myself
[15:13] <diplo> A mere 35
[15:13]  * oimon is older
[15:14] <diplo> Well I was guessing that as I'm sure popey is older than me
[15:14] <diplo> :)
[15:14] <oimon> my benchmark when testing which generation someone is from , do you remember what you were doing during liveaid 1984?
[15:14] <popey> Yes
[15:14] <popey> I was watching it on telly ☺
[15:14] <diplo> Same here i think
[15:14] <oimon> i was playing on my bike on a lovely summer day in the garden, and the concorde flew over the house
[15:14] <popey> looking for my brother and sister in the crowd
[15:15] <oimon> we had the telly on in the house and were listening throug the french doors
[15:15] <popey> lol
[15:15] <popey> you aged yourself there calling them "french" doors ☺
[15:15] <oimon> only time i ever saw concorde
[15:15] <popey> i used to watch it take off most weeks. I worked in a building overlooking the runway
[15:16] <oimon> took a strange route that day
[15:16] <davmor2> oimon: well according to popeys wikipedia page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elvis January 8, 1935  so popey is looking good for his age :D
[15:16] <popey> we taught SAP courses, and the delegates would always ask to be on breat when it took off
[15:17] <popey> http://g.co/maps/hwtmf  <- that window ☺
[15:17] <popey> *break
[15:17] <davmor2> oimon: I remember
[15:18] <davmor2> oimon: the real way to test is,  which doctor who did you grow up with
[15:18] <oimon> yeah, tom baker + peter davison
[15:18] <oimon> i remember when adric died, i was sad
[15:19] <oimon> although my wife is far younger but her dad had them on video, so providing a skew
[15:19] <DJones> Does Doctor Moreau count?
[15:21] <davmor2> oimon: Tom Baker → Matt Smith,  I still think David Tennant was the best though
[15:21] <MooDoo> +1 davmor2
[15:21] <oimon> i saw empire strikes back at the cinema , and RotJ
[15:21] <MooDoo> the first film i ever saw at the cinema was the last starfighter
[15:21] <davmor2> oimon: I saw all 3
[15:21] <oimon> :D
[15:22] <davmor2> oimon: I just don't remeber the 1
[15:22] <MooDoo> wow last starfighter - 1984
[15:22] <davmor2> MooDoo: indeed
[15:22] <MooDoo> i was 12 lol
[15:22] <davmor2> MooDoo: along with war games
[15:23] <MooDoo> davmor2: yeah :) loved em
[15:23] <oimon> first single i bought was ghostbusters
[15:23] <MooDoo> oimon: SNAP!
[15:24] <davmor2> oimon: first vinyl I got was the police reggatta de blanc
[15:24]  * DJones still has the Ghostbusters album sat in a cupboard somewhere
[15:25] <oimon> lost a load of rare singles during my parents house move
[15:25] <MooDoo> my sons first cinema trip was to watch cars 2, and that was 2 weeks ago :D
[15:26] <oimon> my boy thinks the imperial march is called the doggy song. he's gonna get a shock one day
[15:27] <davmor2> oimon: first single was Hit Me With Your Rhythm Stick
[15:27] <oimon> ian dury
[15:27] <davmor2> oimon: yeap,  then some abba, then some queen, then some dire straights and so on
[15:29] <diplo> Oh god what have we started, come back to the future!
[15:29] <diplo> :P
[15:29]  * davmor2 remembers the start and the first video of MTV
[15:29] <diplo> I'm bad enough for listening to 80's most of the time, don't want to drag you all back
[15:29] <diplo> davmor2, me 2
[15:29] <diplo> Start of MTV, not the video
[15:30] <davmor2> diplo: Video Killed the Radio Star the buggles
[15:30] <diplo> Not one of these with idetic(sp?) memorys ?
[15:31] <DJones> What is the recommended way of installing google earth on 11.10, there's a package to build a debian package but that doesn't sound right, medibuntu or a precompiled deb from google.com
[15:32] <bigcalm[xoom]> Wine ;)
[15:32] <DJones> I try not to drink & compute :)
[15:33] <bigcalm[xoom]> :)
[15:34] <davmor2> diplo: I remember singles being 60-80p  before about 83-84 then they basically added a £1 to the font of it
[15:35] <diplo> I think I only bought half a dozen singles ever, always have bought albums
[15:36] <DJones> davmor2: I misread that and thought you were talking about single spirits being 60-80[ in 83/84 in pubs :)
[15:36] <DJones> 60-80p
[15:36] <davmor2> diplo: I didn't get lots of pocket money so it was singles till I was old enough for a paper round
[15:36] <diplo> Funnily enough old man got all my 12" LP's out this weekend, got to get myself a usb record player at some point
[15:37] <diplo> Got a lot of them on digital now, but some I haven't found
[15:38] <diplo> Lot's of picture discs signed
[15:38] <bigcalm[xoom]> Aldi has one for 30 quid atm
[15:38] <diplo> ooh
[15:38]  * diplo checks website
[15:38] <diplo> ta
[15:40] <davmor2> I also remember the video of the making of Thriller that got released in order that they had enough money to finish the thriller video
[15:40] <diplo> Can't find on website
[15:40] <AlanBell> DJones: google earth has .deb files, the ones from earth.google.com work fine
[15:42] <DJones> AlanBell: Thanks, that was what I was going to suggest, but my wife has sorted it on her own
[15:43] <AlanBell> my son was pestering me to install google earth, so I did, got it all set up and installed and ran it and he said it was the wrong thing and he wanted to put the little yellow man on the road to see our house
[15:43] <AlanBell> what he wanted was maps with streetview, google earth does now zoom in to streetview which is quite cool
[15:44] <diplo> :D
[15:44] <diplo> Mine aren't there yet, just games at the mo
[15:51] <directhex> we live in a world without mindmaze :(
[16:03] <davmor2> I always used to get confused by the buzz of grangehill when you'd been at school all day why did you want to see a show about what had just happen earlier :D
[16:04] <DJones> davmor2: Didn't you want to find out what Tucker had done and what he was going to get in trouble for
[16:05] <davmor2> DJones: I watched it I just never got the hype it seemed to cause
[16:05] <czajkowski> aww ant n dec!
[16:05] <bigcalm[xoom]> Growing up in the country, I could never relate to that show
[16:06] <gord> lets get ready ready...
[16:06] <bigcalm[xoom]> czajkowski: are you thinking of biker grove?
[16:06] <davmor2> why don't you, biker grooooooooooooovvve
[16:07] <davmor2> thunder cats
[16:07] <davmor2> battle of the planets
[16:07] <DJones> He Man
[16:07] <davmor2> she-ra
[16:07] <diplo> Byker Grove* ( Spell it like the northerners )
[16:07]  * daubers gets the bongos
[16:07] <daubers> STAND BY FOR ACTION
[16:07] <czajkowski> aww remember thundercats!
[16:07] <bigcalm[xoom]> Semi good news, I can claim back for the time without internet. Once I get the connection again that is
[16:08] <daubers> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E06cNv55jTs
[16:08] <MooDoo> it's friday it's five to five....it's
[16:08] <DJones> ...Time to go to the pub :)
[16:08] <davmor2> bigcalm[xoom]: that's how I ended up not having to pay them for about 6 months
[16:08] <bigcalm[xoom]> It's Saturday, no school today, so what ya gonna do?
[16:08] <diplo> czajkowski, Thundercats has been revived.. my kids love it
[16:08] <davmor2> MooDoo:  CrackerJack
[16:09] <diplo> New animation series
[16:09] <czajkowski> diplo: ohh
[16:09] <bigcalm[xoom]> davmor2: still not a good way to live
[16:09] <czajkowski> bigcalm[xoom]: hasnt stopped you being on irc during the whole time either
[16:10] <davmor2> czajkowski: thanks to 3g tech
[16:10] <bigcalm[xoom]> czajkowski: priorities ;)
[16:11] <davmor2> star fleet on a saturday morning
[16:12] <davmor2> the other way to guess someones age is to ask what Chris Tarrent did before Who want to be a millionaire
[16:13] <shauno> I'd just confuse you then, because I never watched telly as a kid
[16:13] <DJones> Stingray, Thunderbirds, Space 1999, Fireball XL5 (mostly repeats.... Honest)
[16:15] <DJones> Did anybody see that there were plans to "reimagine" Space 1999 with a new TV series
[16:16] <davmor2> Joe 90, captain scarlet,
[16:16] <bigcalm[xoom]> davmor2: tarrent on tv
[16:16] <davmor2> bigcalm[xoom]: yeah if the first one that springs to mind is Tis-Waz
[16:17] <davmor2> bigcalm[xoom]: same works for noel edmonds
[16:17] <bigcalm[xoom]> davmor2: you are old :)
[16:18] <shauno> so you're old if you actually owned the mr blobby xmas single? oh dear.
[16:18] <davmor2> bigcalm[xoom]: multi-coloured swap shop
[16:18] <gord> oh... i didn't need to be reminded that mr blobby existed at one point...
[16:19] <DJones> The other way of working out how old somebody is, is who were your Blue Peter presenters - Peter Purvess, John Noakes, Valerie Singleton & Shep the dog :)
[16:20] <MooDoo> lol
[16:20] <AlanBell> Goldie and Simon Groom and some others
[16:20] <MooDoo> janet ellis
[16:21] <AlanBell> Sarah Greene and Peter Duncan
[16:21] <DJones> Did anybody ever build Tracey Island out of toilet roll tubes, crumpled paper and a pair of Val's old knickers?
[16:21] <MooDoo> and then peter duncan was in flash gordon :D
[16:22] <bigcalm[xoom]> AlanBell: same as me, odd
[16:23] <davmor2> MooDoo: indeed as the initiate stung by the stump viper
[16:23] <MooDoo> yup
[16:26] <davmor2> MooDoo: and Timothy Daulton the original killer of Bond
[16:28] <davmor2> I still remember the blue peter episode where they announced that Shep had died, Noakes was not a happy bunny
[16:30] <davmor2> who remembers the Tripods, and Wuzzle Gummage
[16:31] <diplo> o/
[16:31] <bigcalm[xoom]|> Aye
[16:34] <daubers> Captain Scarlet is the _worst_ superhero ever
[16:34] <daubers> He couldn't solve a problem without dieing!
[16:34] <daubers> "I'll save those people by throwing myself off a bridge!"
 He just came back to life!
[16:35] <daubers> I'm pretty certain if you threw him into the sun he wouldn't come back
[16:36] <daubers> The guys in Joe 90 had the right idea, after all, children are expendable right?
[16:36] <daubers> Once they've gone you can just make some more
[16:36] <bigcalm[xoom]|> I'd feel sorry for the puppetier
[16:41] <DJones> Tripods +1
[16:55] <oimon> guys...i have no resize corner when using unity - any suggestios for packages i may have accidentally removed
[16:55] <oimon> actually, may only be terminal application
[16:55] <oimon> sorry..forget that..just a glitch ..restart terminal it works
[16:55] <diplo> :P
[16:55] <diplo> gn all, going to try and miss traffic
[17:04] <davmor2> oimon: you sure it was there it's been changed to 6 pale dots now
[17:06] <oimon> is this what OSD notifications should look like? http://i.imgur.com/lTq1H.png
[17:07] <oimon> davmor2, i'm on 11.10
[17:07] <popey> thats not unity
[17:08] <oimon> popey, really?
[17:08] <popey> ☺
[17:08] <oimon> i chose "ubuntu"
[17:08] <oimon> maybe i've completely shagged my system
[17:08] <popey> do you have a launcher on the left?
[17:08] <oimon> yes
[17:08] <popey> not sure what you've done to that then
[17:09] <popey> why would you want two docks?
[17:09] <DJones> I didn't think AWN was still around
[17:09] <oimon> docky behaves like i want it to
[17:09] <oimon> time for home
[17:09] <oimon> i'll look at this again tomorrow then
[17:09] <DJones> Is that docky, not AWN?
[17:09] <oimon> yes
[17:10] <popey> you have a dot in the top right of your window
[17:10] <popey> there's some messed up desktop there
[17:10] <popey> so yes, "Not unity"
[17:17] <gord> that is unity
[17:17] <gord> but its weirdly messed up
[17:21] <popey> telnet miku.acm.uiuc.edu
[17:21] <popey> sweet
[17:21] <popey> gord will like that
[17:22] <gord> popey, i guess we have to provide our own soundtrack? ;)
[17:22] <popey> ☺
[17:24] <bigcalm[xoom]> Now I need a tlnet client for my Xoom
[17:24] <bigcalm[xoom]> Telnet
[17:25] <gord> apt-get update takes reeeeeeeeally long if you have 40kb/s
[17:26] <davmor2> gord: apt-get update takes an age for me anyway
[17:28] <gord> took longer to update than it did to upgrade even
[17:31] <davmor2> gord: yeap that happens fairly often but don't forget I have a million and one ppas for it to work through
[17:34] <gord> hrm, wonder what i have to bribe to get ubuntu to not use the minimum display brightness on startup
[17:35] <opt1mus> gord: Just write your own script.
[17:54] <bigcalm[xoom]|> Is it home time yet?
[17:54] <brobostigon> yes.
[17:54] <bigcalm[xoom]> Is it home time yet?
[17:55] <brobostigon> yes.
[17:55] <bigcalm[xoom]> \o/
[17:56] <brobostigon> :)
[17:57] <bigcalm[xoom]> I'm building APIs for two seperate projects, my time sheet looks a little confusing
[18:08] <s-fox> Goodbye.
[19:04] <jacobw> evening
[19:04] <opt1mus> Hello
[19:09] <jacobw> hey dutchie
[19:09] <jacobw> how are you opt1mus
[19:11] <jacobw> jhey penguin_
[19:34] <dutchie> hi jacobw
[19:34] <dutchie> in a very greety mood tonight
[19:36] <jacobw> how so?
[19:37]  * AlanBell likes to see libreoffice updates
[19:40] <gord> i hate them, adds another 200mb onto an update :P
[19:40] <jacobw> my curent downstream is ~50kB/s
[19:40] <jacobw> i don't libreoffice updates :(
[19:41] <jacobw> +need
[19:41] <AlanBell> I am waiting for the fix that means I can run it with libreoffice-gtk, someone broke it for big monitors
[19:43] <MartijnVdS> I've removed LO
[19:43] <MartijnVdS> I use Google Documents anyway
[19:43] <MartijnVdS> and at work we have >100mbit
[19:43] <MartijnVdS> (so libreoffice downloads aren't an issue)
[19:44] <gord> i sometimes remove it, just because i might as well just re-install it when i need it rather than wasting my time with the upgrades
[19:45]  * MartijnVdS loves the OpenWRT build system
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> So self-contained!
[19:45] <AppleJ> Or you guys could just deselect it on every upgrade :P
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> So "just works"!
[19:46] <directhex> atom zombie smasher!
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> directhex: ?!
[19:46] <directhex> http://blendogames.com/atomzombiesmasher/
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> directhex: some kind of tower defense?
[19:47] <directhex> MartijnVdS, it's a bit too far past the boundaries of tower defense, IMHO, so let's just go with "strategy"
[19:48] <MartijnVdS> So.. everyone has set their alarms for tomorrow morning?
[19:48] <MartijnVdS> ( http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/716 )
[19:49] <SuperEngineer> [that's when the Rasp Pi actually proposes to us all ;)
[19:49] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: WANTWANTWANT
[19:50] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS:   me too :)
[19:50]  * SuperEngineer gets ready to say "i do" to a Pi
[19:52] <SuperEngineer> what a wonderful week - today a U-Uk podcast... &tomorrow a Raspberry?
[19:52] <gord> 6am? i'd rather not get one!
[19:53] <popey> \o/ UUPC in 30 mins ☺
[19:53] <MartijnVdS> popey: *\o/*
[19:54] <MartijnVdS> popey: (and if you read that one on the show, "asterisk, backslash, o, slash, asterisk")
[19:55]  * SuperEngineer "asterisk, backslash, o, slash, asterisk"'s the U-UK podcast
[19:56] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[19:56] <AlanBell> or "MartijnVdS  being a cheerleader with pompoms and a leotard on"
[19:56] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ
[19:56] <AlanBell> I may have made up the leotard bit, not quite sure where that came from
[19:56] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: well my running clothes ARE skin-tight
[19:57] <SuperEngineer> are the leotards compulsory this season - or just recommended?
[19:57] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: yes.
[19:57] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS:  ;)
[20:01] <AlanBell> http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/live/
[20:06] <czajkowski> does it work for anyone in chrome ?
[20:13] <AlanBell> not working for me in chromium, but works fine in firefox
[20:14] <AlanBell> totem http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org:8000/uupc.mp3 also works
[20:29] <mempoke> bleep
[20:29] <MartijnVdS> ye olde timey musicke
[20:30] <mempoke> well this might be fun
[20:30] <mempoke> working with computer for quite a while but never used irc
[20:30] <mempoke> anyone there?
[20:32] <MartijnVdS> \o
[20:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> evening all
[20:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> Mux D appears to have dropped off the Freeview transmitter at Midhurst...
[20:36] <brobostigon> good evening TheOpenSourcerer
[20:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> hey brobostigon how's it going?
[20:36] <brobostigon> TheOpenSourcerer: generally ok, other than some of my bones in my left heel being inflamed, and you?
[20:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> Good thanks.
[20:37] <brobostigon> :)
[20:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> pingly pingly peep christel
[21:37] <Azelphur> Did anything ever come out to replace ksplice since it's dead now?
[21:57] <AlanBell> ksplice isn't dead, it got oracled
[21:58] <shauno> a fate worse than death :/
[22:02] <AlanBell> TV related hack day thing http://rewiredstate.org/events/boat-hack-at-mipcube-2012
[22:03] <Azelphur> AlanBell: it is dead, you can't sign up any more
[22:03] <AlanBell> I wonder if popey is going to this http://www.mipworld.com/en/mipcube/
[22:04] <AlanBell> Azelphur: even if you have RHEL?
[22:04] <Azelphur> AlanBell: I dunno, I don't have RHEL obviously
[22:04] <AlanBell> I am not surprised at them dropping the free Ubuntu/Fedora updates
[22:05] <Azelphur> hense the desire for alternatives
[22:06] <AlanBell> http://www.ksplice.com/uptrack/download-ubuntu don't you just download the .deb and run it?
[22:06] <Azelphur> no, that's desktop only, if you want server kernels you have to subscribe, which is now blocked
[22:07] <Azelphur> only way to get ksplice is to install a desktop environment and switch to desktop kernel on a server :/
[22:07] <AlanBell> oh right, well do that then :)
[22:07] <Azelphur> that's not really an option on a server :/
[22:07] <AlanBell> desktop kernel is *fine* for most server workloads
[22:08] <Azelphur> I don't want a full desktop environment and X on my server
[22:08] <AlanBell> you don't need it, just install the kernel, it shouldn't bring in any X stuff
[22:08] <Azelphur> no, you have to run the desktop updater which requires X
[22:09] <Azelphur> you have to pay for the command line updater
[22:09] <AlanBell> ssh -X
[22:09] <Azelphur> only, you can't pay because they shut it down
[22:09] <Azelphur> I'm pretty sure that installing the desktop updater will pull in all the reqs too
[22:10] <AlanBell> probably some of them, but they won't be running
[22:10] <Azelphur> *shrug* might work, a lot of effort for a project that is rapidly dieing though, still interested in alternatives
[22:10] <directhex> aquarius, "touch /etc/call-ui/callUIVideoButton" and reboot adds video call support
[22:11] <AlanBell> Azelphur: fair enough
[22:12] <AlanBell> I thought that after a few years of ksplice coming out that someone would put rebootless updates into the upstream kernel
[22:13] <Azelphur> yea, it's a bit silly after all this time that the server distros don't have rebootless updating built in
[22:17] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Laura Czajkowski] Ubuntu Global Jam  Limerick - http://www.lczajkowski.com/2012/02/28/ubuntu-global-jam-limerick/
[22:50] <aquarius> directhex, interesting. Not sure what I'd use video calling for, though; who can it call?
[22:51] <brobostigon> good night everyone, sleep well.
[22:56] <directhex> aquarius, not other n9's, since it doesn't advertise video call capability :p
[22:56] <aquarius> directhex, the only person I know with an n9... doesn't have one any more ;)
[22:57] <DaveMorris> I use a squeezebox slave on my machine, which I've created a small upstart script for. I wish to run it as a user ('squeezebox') but it won't play audio since it isn't the current user logged in.  Any ideas on where to look to change it?
[23:05] <DaveMorris> looks like I can't (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Audio/TheAudioGroup) and need to run it as my user
[23:50] <ujjain> I am supposed to complete 3 sentences with the same word... it seems impossible: "like all great oopera singers,pavarotti had an imposing ...", "She showed great ... of mind and led the children calmly downstairs to safety", "There was a huge police ... at the football match".
[23:50] <shauno> presence.  enjoy your homework :)
[23:51] <ujjain> ah thanks!