[02:02] <johnjohn101> will kubuntu 12.10 ship with kde 4.9?
[02:04] <ActionParsnip> ys
[07:23] <fm_> where did the software updater go in quantal? There is no entry in the outer right menu anymore ...?
[07:24] <fm_> seems as if there is no packagekit frontend installed anymore
[07:24] <fm_> no pkg- commands anymore ...
[09:48] <thomas001> hello, is it enough to change the software sources and do a apt-get dist-upgrade to try 12.10 from 12.04?
[09:51] <arand> Yes, but mind that it's irreversible, and since it's still in alpha... Mind that it is likely to be unstable/become unstable at some point. I'm not sure if you could also use "do-release-upgrade -d" as of yet.
[09:58] <thomas001> thank you, i am aware of the alpha status...another more tricky thing: can i use apt pinning to keep the X server at version 1.11 or will it break things? (apart from not upgrading the x server and connected packages)
[09:58] <thomas001> (my gpu driver does not support 1.12)
[10:39] <Dr_Willis> Hello all.
[12:30] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[12:31] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. Plugged in a 2nd monitor into 12.10 box and It came right up. no needs to mess with nvidia-settings or anything
[12:35] <Dr_Willis> Trying to figure out the web application thang. :)  go to gmail.. and somehow its supposed to integerate with the OS..
[12:38] <BluesKaj> Dr_Willis, which nvidia card ?
[12:39] <MCR1> Dr_Willis: I think you need to enable a PPA for the webapps stuff: http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/ppa/webapps_preview
[12:59] <Dr_Willis> MCR1:  i did enable it. watched the video.. :) still a bit vague on how it works.
[13:01] <Dr_Willis> like the video here (same as other sites) http://liliputing.com/2012/07/ubuntu-web-apps-aim-to-blur-lines-between-desktop-and-web-apps.html
[13:01] <Dr_Willis> shows gmail in the panel at the left.. but.. how do you put it there?
[14:59] <vish> !schedule


[01:30] <superm1> Daviey, somehow the new branch is already 80 megs.
[01:30] <superm1> i dont get it :)
[01:30] <Daviey> hehe
[01:31] <superm1> i'm uploading the changes for the splash in the new branch
[01:31] <Daviey> one thing i was thinking about doing....
[01:31] <superm1> i'm gonna redo an ISO build in a little bit too after I add this to it and update the isolinux splash
[01:31] <superm1> sure?
[01:32] <Daviey> on pegasus - have a central branch area (that bzr updates on cron) and all files used on mythbuntu server symlink to the branch?
[01:32] <superm1> oh thats a great idea
[01:32] <superm1> have it run as the user i created for doing the builds
[01:32] <superm1> i think the user is called mythbuntu
[01:32] <Daviey> saw that user
[01:33] <superm1> put it in somethign like /var/cache/mythbuntu_bzr_branch
[01:33] <Daviey> only concern i have... what happens if a script get's updated midbuild
[01:33] <superm1> and then you can symlink everything around
[01:33] <Daviey> imbrandon wanted us to try and use /storage more
[01:33] <superm1> what is /storage?
[01:34] <Daviey> hmm
[01:34] <superm1> probably because its easier to backup
[01:34] <superm1> one directory
[01:34] <superm1> rather than 8
[01:34] <Daviey> probably
[01:36] <Daviey> one problem.... if pegasus can't commit
[01:36] <Daviey> maybe it should be a co only folder
[01:36] <superm1> well most work i do locally anyhow
[01:36] <superm1> and then commit
[01:36] <Daviey> thats dandy then
[01:37] <superm1> so as long as we both agree to work that way
[01:37] <Daviey> i think that's the best way
[01:37] <Daviey> keeps it all centralised
[01:37] <Daviey> tbh.. i started getting confused where everything was :)
[01:37] <superm1> indeed.  (even though bzr's intention is decentralization.....)
[01:37] <superm1> :)
[01:40] <Daviey> Also, doing it this way is easier than scp, and makes us checlk everything in :
[01:40] <superm1> well the only thing i dont want to check in is the binary debs that we get
[01:40] <superm1> i'd rather scp those
[01:40] <superm1> because i think that will clog the bzr branch more quickly
[01:40] <Daviey> they should be built server side tho surely?
[01:40] <superm1> well until we have access to those buildd's
[01:40] <superm1> that imbrandon was talking about no
[01:41] <Daviey> wish bzr gave a Kb/s
[01:46] <superm1> Daviey,   were you thinking of anything else that needs to be installed in the env
[01:46] <superm1> other than whats there?
[01:47] <Daviey> not that i can think of
[01:47] <Daviey> but it's nearly 1:00am - so best ask in the morning :)
[01:47] <superm1> oh you and your GMT time.
[01:48] <superm1> Daviey, should also setup a script that we can call to update bzr immediately if we wanted to test immediately
[01:48] <Daviey> i'm doing that now
[01:48] <Daviey> :)
[01:48] <superm1> thinking ahead of me now....
[01:48] <superm1> uh oh
[01:48] <superm1>  :)
[01:48] <Daviey> where should i put it, probably best not to have it in /usr/bin
[01:49] <superm1> well /usr/local/bin would be fine
[01:49] <superm1> it will need sudo either way
[01:59] <Daviey> "sudo bzrupdate"
[01:59] <superm1> tested and verified :) ?
[02:01] <superm1> howd did we handle an amd64 build previously?
[02:01] <Daviey> yep
[02:01] <Daviey> we didn't
[02:01] <superm1> on another machine?
[02:02] <superm1> well there is an amd64 iso on there
[02:02] <Daviey> DaveMorris built it locally
[02:02] <superm1> oh
[02:02] <superm1> and scp'ed it in
[02:02] <Daviey> he said he is happy to d it tho
[02:02] <superm1> well let me see how well this iso comes out
[02:02] <superm1> as long as its good, then sure
[02:02] <superm1> the only big changes are graphical though
[02:02] <superm1> so i dont know the urgency
[02:02] <Daviey> :)
[02:03] <Daviey> I've also added a cron.daily for the bzr update
[02:03] <superm1> so about what time will that happen?
[02:04] <Daviey> my cron.daily seems to run 6:00 am or something
[02:04] <Daviey> not quite sure tbh
[02:04] <superm1> k
[02:04] <Daviey> might add "echo $DATE"
[02:04] <Daviey> just to see
[02:05] <Daviey> or rather 2date > file"
[02:06] <superm1> well doesnt output go into dead.letter of ~ for mythbuntu user
[02:06] <superm1> or was that just somethign that happened in gentoo for me
[02:14] <Daviey> I'm surprised your not still "emerge gnome".....  i gave up on gentoo after 6 hours
[02:15] <superm1> my gentoo days are long over
[02:15] <superm1> i used it for a year or two straight
[02:15] <superm1> and then saw the light
[02:15] <Daviey> isn't dead.letter only for mailed mails?
[02:16] <Daviey> or mails that couldn't get delivered?
[02:16] <Daviey> i know cronjobs that don't exit cleanly mails
[02:16] <superm1> well whenever i had emerge --sync run in a cron job, its output showed up in /root/dead.letter
[02:16] <superm1> so i'm not sure
[02:21] <Daviey>  /storage/bzrlastupdate <- shows the date of the last cron bzr update
[02:21] <superm1> ah nice
[02:22] <superm1> okay my iso build just finished
[02:22] <superm1> well see how this looks
[02:24] <superm1> ha ubuntu usplash showed up.  i guess something went astray during that step.  probably deb in the wrong place
[02:24] <Daviey> send again?
[02:25] <Daviey> DCC seems borked
[02:26] <superm1> hmm
[02:26] <superm1> i'll put in my webspace then
[02:26] <Daviey> :)
[02:27] <superm1> http://www.mythbuntu.org/~supermario/isolinux_splash.png
[02:27] <Daviey> I'm impressed!
[02:27] <superm1> that can even be adjusted yet i think like 30 pixels lower
[02:27] <superm1> but i fixed the colors and all
[02:27] <superm1> for the text
[02:28] <Daviey> nice
[02:28] <superm1> so we're getting there
[02:28] <Daviey> wonder how it looks 16:9/10
[02:28] <superm1> well not pretty i'd imagine
[02:28] <superm1> but that is just the isolinux splash, so not expected to be "beautiful"
[02:29] <Daviey> Who understands ubiquity the best?
[02:29] <superm1> jetsradiem
[02:29] <superm1> he's been really really busy though
[02:29] <superm1> i've talked to him a little on jabber
[02:29] <Daviey> next time you see him / fancy asking him to draw a diagram?
[02:29] <superm1> i drew one
[02:29] <superm1> the flow chart?
[02:30] <Daviey> not of our process - of how ubiquity works
[02:30] <superm1> ah okay
[02:30] <superm1> yea i'll do that
[02:30] <superm1> he's waiting for a mail back from the ubiquity guys
[02:30] <superm1> about some questions he had
[02:30] <Daviey> "Why is it in such a mess?"
[02:30] <superm1> but from the understanding he's told me thus far, its a debconf frontend
[02:30] <superm1> mainly
[02:30] <superm1> so each question asked in the installer has to correspond to "something"
[02:31] <Daviey> something being a --reconfigure?
[02:31] <superm1> well it supplies the answers given to each package's --reconfigure
[02:31] <superm1> i think
[02:31] <Daviey> cute
[02:32] <superm1> but trust me, i want info on how things work as much as you do
[02:32] <superm1> so that we can really get a move on this
[02:32] <superm1> and not be stuck still here
[03:09] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1, i dont suppose you could point me to a manual for the mceusb2.  Im trying to reprogram those buttons and lost mine
[03:10] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop,  http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MCE_Remote#Programmable_Buttons
[03:10] <tgm4883_laptop> awesome, thanks
[03:15] <tgm4883_laptop> arg, I cant get it to do anything
[03:15] <tgm4883_laptop> is it possible that it doesn't like some remotes?
[03:15] <tgm4883_laptop> i mean remote codes?
[03:16] <superm1> yes
[03:16] <superm1> there are only certain ones that do
[03:16] <tgm4883_laptop> I dont think it likes mine
[03:16] <superm1> can you take a digi cam picture of the remote
[03:16] <superm1> and show me
[03:16] <tgm4883_laptop> well i get it into the program mode
[03:16] <tgm4883_laptop> but it gives me the 4 blinks for failure
[03:16] <superm1> oh
[03:16] <tgm4883_laptop> for every button i try
[03:16] <superm1> try teaching it another remote
[03:17] <tgm4883_laptop> yep, it works fine for my stb remote
[03:17] <tgm4883_laptop> but not my tv
[03:18] <superm1> well how about this.
[03:18] <superm1> can you teach your stb remove your tv code
[03:18] <superm1> and then teach that to your mceusb2 remote
[03:19] <tgm4883_laptop> wait, i may have spoke too soon
[03:19] <tgm4883_laptop> it gives me the two blinks for successful, but still doesn't turn anything off
[03:20] <superm1> sounds to me like you lose :)
[03:20] <tgm4883_laptop> yep
[03:21] <tgm4883_laptop> i think i'll try ir transmitting
[03:21] <tgm4883_laptop> cause the stb remote does turn my tv off and volume
[03:28] <tgm4883_laptop> what the heck, works now
[03:28] <tgm4883_laptop> all it needed was a little threatening
[03:32] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1, sorry to keep buggin you, one more question.  the lircd.conf file contains the remote codes corrisponding to each key, and the lircrc file contains each program, the remote key, and what keyboard key it corrisponds to correct?  So if i used irw and that shows me which key is being pressed I could search for that key in lircrc to see what keyboard key it connects to right?
[03:32] <tgm4883_laptop> that ended up being longer than intended
[03:54] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, the lircrc doesnt necessarily have the keyboard key it corresponds to
[03:54] <superm1> some apps use a function instead
[03:54] <superm1> like "pause"
[03:54] <superm1> or "stop"
[03:54] <superm1> take a look at a lircrc on the wiki for good exmpamples
[03:54] <superm1> or even examples
[03:58] <rogue780|mythsvr> have I missed anything too exciting lately?
[04:01] <superm1> rogue780|mythsvr, exciting, well i am rebuilding the ISO images in a few min to reflect all the new artwork
[04:01] <superm1> nothign else really
[04:02] <superm1> and rogue780|mythsvr this is it on my tv if i didnt show ya: http://www.mythbuntu.org/~supermario/mythbuntu/mythbuntu_bootup.jpg
[04:02] <superm1> so you can see it alive and in action
[04:03] <rogue780|mythsvr> cool. I'll have to download the new iso and try it tomorrow
[04:03] <rogue780|mythsvr> and indeed you showed me. it looks nice
[04:07] <tgm4883_laptop> thanks superm1, couldn't find a more entry and it didn't seem to do anything so i added it to the lircrc file
[04:07] <superm1> ah
[04:07] <tgm4883_laptop> needed something to cycle the commercial skip feature
[04:08] <tgm4883_laptop> although i found something that doesn't make sense
[04:08] <superm1> what?
[04:09] <tgm4883_laptop> why is the commercial skip cycle and the tuner switch buttons in the same menu.  I cant see why you would use both at the same time, but with them in the same menu you cant have the same button for both
[04:09] <tgm4883_laptop> a problem with the mythkeys plugin i think
[04:10] <rogue780|mythsvr> well g'night
[04:10] <superm1> night rogue780|mythsvr
[04:11] <superm1> do you really need a tuner switch button though?
[04:12] <tgm4883_laptop> i dont, but the gf sometimes wants to watch live tv
[04:12] <superm1> well if you go to the guide
[04:12] <superm1> and choose a channel on another tuner
[04:12] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[04:12] <superm1> it switches tuners for you
[04:12] <tgm4883_laptop> that makes sense
[05:49] <tgm4883_laptop> is the weather plugin broken for anyone else?
[06:05] <superm1> yes
[06:05] <superm1> it broke
[06:05] <superm1_> tgm4883_laptop, it broke recently
[06:05] <superm1_> when msnbc changed their format
[06:05] <superm1_> its fixed in svn, but not in 0.20-fixes yet
[06:06] <superm1_> Daviey, tomorrow morning when you awaken: I created a script, build_x86_iso on pegasus, it will build a x86 iso image using the centralized bzr area.  All the symlinks are setup properly and i'm doing a test build with it right this minute
[08:26] <annibis> hey is anybody active in here?
[11:21] <gardengnome> morning
[11:27] <DaveMorris> morning
[11:28] <gardengnome> morning DaveMorris
[02:15] <superm1> Daviey, the new ISO is up.  i haven't tested it yet, and apparently don't have time to as i'm leaving for work in a few min.  I also updated this changelog and added it to the download page
[02:15] <gardengnome> morning superm1
[02:15] <superm1> morning gardengnome
[02:19] <superm1> sorry to have to run quick, gardengnome i'll be back in ~ 8 hrs :)
[02:19] <gardengnome> no worries, i was just saying hi ;)
[02:29] <Daviey> superm1, heya
[03:26] <rogue780|mythsvr> 'mornin' all
[03:29] <bendailey> morning
[04:05] <bendailey> Does mythtv normally run mythfill database automatically or do I need to make a cron job?
[04:09] <Daviey> mine is a cron.daily
[04:09] <Daviey> imbrandon, ping
[04:10] <bendailey> ok so a cron entry is needed?
[04:12] <imbrandon> pong
[04:12] <imbrandon> Daviey, ^
[04:12] <Daviey> imbrandon, i see you did a lugradio interview
[04:13] <imbrandon> Daviey, heh yea i was on lug radio this week
[04:13] <Daviey> Just listening to it now!
[04:13] <imbrandon> cool
[04:13] <imbrandon> ( it was recorded 2 weeks ago )
[04:13] <imbrandon> :)
[04:13] <Daviey> didn't realise it was so far behind...
[04:13] <imbrandon> only this week because of UDS
[04:13] <imbrandon> normaly its only 3 days behind
[04:13] <Daviey> (remember you saying you had a radio interview - didn't realise it was lugradio)
[04:14] <imbrandon> yea
[04:14] <Daviey> actually, there is a flattering mention of mythtv for ubuntu aswell :)
[04:14] <imbrandon> yea from jono
[04:14] <imbrandon> :)
[04:15] <imbrandon> i havent listend to it all yet
[04:15] <imbrandon> only the first half
[04:15] <Daviey> yeah... the eps are so long now.  You can't pay attention for 1h12mins!
[04:15] <imbrandon> well i'm at work too
[04:16] <imbrandon> i'll finish it when i get home
[04:16] <Daviey> Did you have any joy kicking for the mailing list?
[04:16] <imbrandon> actualy i need to do that today again
[04:17] <imbrandon> now that people are back in town
[04:17] <gardengnome> imbrandon: just looking at your blog entry on virtualbox. FYI, the feisty server kernel won't boot in virtualbox but they're working on it
[04:18] <Daviey> gardengnome, is that a feisty bug or virtualbox?
[04:18] <imbrandon> gardengnome, hrm , not sure
[04:19] <gardengnome> i have no clue.
[04:19] <gardengnome> http://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/289
[04:19] <gardengnome> ^^
[04:19] <imbrandon> gardengnome, ahh thanks for pointing that out
[04:19] <gardengnome> i got burned by that bug last night :(
[04:20] <imbrandon> tried a gutsy kernel ?
[04:20] <gardengnome> nope
[04:20] <imbrandon> jono !!
[04:20] <imbrandon> :)
[04:20] <gardengnome> i just wanted to try out those svn debs i made. then i got annoyed when it wouldn't boot ;)
[04:21] <jono> hey
[04:21] <imbrandon> jono, superm1 says thanks for the flattering mythtv comments on LR
[04:21] <imbrandon> :)
[04:23] <rogue780|mythsvr> lugradio?
[04:23] <Daviey> http://www.lugradio.org/
[06:51] <keescook> superm1: distant, massively delayed "pong".  :)


[02:24] <xubuntu98w> I posted a question about two hours ago. Is there a way to retrieve it to see if someone replied? I was given a link earlier for it but I am unable to get to my question through it. Thanks.
[07:15] <Smilex> Hey. My laptop gets stuck when booting, on the message "/dev/sda1: clean #/# files, #/# blocks". It booted yesterday, and I can change tty
[07:16] <moetunes> what are you trying when you change tty's ?
[07:17] <Smilex> now I've looked at dmesg. Nothing unusual
[07:17] <Smilex> I'm trying to do a system upgrade
[07:18] <moetunes> do you have an older kernel in grub to try ?
[07:18] <Smilex> I'll check if this doesn't work
[07:18] <moetunes> sure
[07:18] <moetunes> luck
[08:20] <Smilex> moetunes: it worked
[08:20] <moetunes> well done Smilex :)
[13:05] <xubuntu48f>
[14:54] <JuJUBee> Anybody here use a bluetooth mouse they would recommend ?  I tried the Logitech Performance MX and couldn't get it working.
[22:01] <digitalbruin>  !logs
[22:09] <jogosonv> hey guys, when i try installing xubuntu 16.04 or 16.10 i get an error: Error installing /tmp/apt-dpkg-install-gYcxP/02-snapd_2.23.1+16.10_amd64.deb . how could i resolve it?
[22:15] <jogosonv> anybody could help me with an install error?
[23:45] <xubuntu13w> I need help


[15:14] <penguin42> come on lp, you can do it....
[15:14] <penguin42> are c... no it can't
[16:16] <hggdh> heh
[19:42]  * penguin42 wishes debian bug 295888 would actually have got fixed (installer doens't distinguish between identical cards)
[19:42] <ubot2> Debian bug 295888 in netcfg "Lists multiple NICs of same type the same way" [Wishlist,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/295888
[19:42] <penguin42> ooh, didn't know ubot2 was that smart
[22:54] <smooth-texan> Howdy all.  Bug #1048002, should this be set to wishlist/triaged?
[22:54] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1048002 in gnome-control-center-signon ""Add account" button/option doesn't do anything" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1048002
[22:57]  * penguin42 looks
[22:59] <penguin42> smooth-texan: Why do you say wishlist ? It looks like it's confusing and I'd probably agree
[22:59] <smooth-texan> I'd say wishlist because it looks like the way the software was intended to function, it's more of a feature request
[23:00] <smooth-texan> but then I'm new so...
[23:01] <smooth-texan> penguin42:
[23:03] <penguin42> smooth-texan: but wishlist is for a feature to be added; which isn't really what he's asking
[23:04] <smooth-texan> penguin42: so what would you recommend to triage that bug?
[23:04] <penguin42> smooth-texan: So there is 'opinion' for something where someone might not like how something is but it's an arguable point - or is it just actually a bug and it might be the way it was designed but it in reality it's confusing ?
[23:08] <smooth-texan> penguin42: well, in my opinion it should be 'opinion'.  There is the whole list of accounts you can add in the right panes
[23:09] <smooth-texan> i guess i could set it to low and confirmed/triaged and a dev could make the determination
[23:10] <penguin42> smooth-texan: It's ok, I'll set it to opinion/tiraged
[23:10] <smooth-texan> ok, thanks for the help.
[23:10] <penguin42> gah
[23:10] <penguin42> smooth-texan: No, I was wrong
[23:11] <penguin42> smooth-texan: Sorry, opinion is another option like 'triaged' or 'invalid'
[23:12] <smooth-texan> penguin42: yeah, i see on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status that opinion is considered closed, but people can still discuss it
[23:12] <smooth-texan> so maybe it should be low/triaged?
[23:13] <penguin42> smooth-texan: Yeh I think so,
[23:13] <smooth-texan> penguin42: cool
[23:21] <penguin42> smooth-texan: Done
[23:25] <smooth-texan> penguin42: Thanks
[23:26] <smooth-texan> penguin42: Bug #1048014 , Could you set that one to low/triaged?
[23:26] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1048014 in gnome-control-center-signon "Twitter integrates with Gwibber but doesn't show up when choosing Gwibber from the dropdown" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1048014
[23:28] <penguin42> done
[23:29] <smooth-texan> penguin42: You're the man