[00:01] <tyska> hello someone, im having the following error when trying to connect into a instance through ssh: Permisson Denied (public key). What must i do?
[00:02] <a3ist> did you already transfer your key to the server with ssh-copy-id
[00:02] <a3ist> or even set up a key in the first place
[00:38] <jamesch> hi, anyone around to answer my question about my FTP server/client config.
[00:39] <gilson> need help with openldap..
[00:48] <jo-erlend> jamesch, this channel is _NOT DEAD_. But some times, you need to wait a little for people to notice your question.
[00:49] <jo-erlend> do you know the difference between ftp, sftp and ftps and is there a reason why you need ftp, or could you use sftp instead?
[00:51] <jamesch> jo-erlend: I have a basic idea of the difference between ftp and sftp, not ftps. I'm using ftp because it's easy to setup? And I don't feel that I actually need sftp.
[00:52] <jo-erlend> it's much easier to setup sftp, and it's much safer. All you need, is to install openssh-server. It will give you shell access as well.
[00:53] <jamesch> jo-erlend: ok, but will it solve the problem I have at the moment with permissions?
[00:53] <jo-erlend> ... pardon?
[00:54] <jamesch> jo-erlend: well, that's what my actual question was. I don't know how to set what the permissions on files that are uploaded will be. So at the moment they're being uploaded with the wrong permissions. I don't know where to change that.
[00:55] <jo-erlend> you log in with your normal user, and the permissions will be the same as if you saved them locally.
[00:55] <jo-erlend> that is, if you use sftp.
[00:55] <jamesch> jo-erlend: and with ftp?
[00:55] <jo-erlend> I don't know. I haven't used ftp in ten years.
[00:56] <jamesch> oh
[00:56] <jo-erlend> telnet and ftp should have been buried a while ago.
[00:58] <rgotten> who can help me with the error on http://pastebin.com/iwEqYvv4 i do use XINETD
[00:58] <jo-erlend> that's why I asked that question before; unless you _have to_, you shouldn't use ftp, but sftp. Try it. Having SSH access to your system is useful in any case.
[00:58] <jamesch> jo-erlend: I have ssh, just trying to find out how to setup the sftp server
[00:59] <jo-erlend> jamesch, if you have an openssh server, you already do have sftp.
[00:59] <jamesch> ok, where do I do the config?
[00:59] <jo-erlend> jamesch, what do you want to configure?
[00:59] <jamesch> jo-erlend: the sftp server?
[01:01] <jo-erlend> jamesch, man sshd_config
[01:02] <jamesch> thanks
[01:02] <jo-erlend> there normally isn't much to configure though.
[01:04] <jamesch> nope, I noticed that. Thanks, it seems to be working.
[01:05] <pyther> Hello
[01:05] <pyther> Am I going to get a gui interface with ubuntu server?
[01:05] <a3ist> not by default
[01:06] <a3ist> its not that hard to add one though
[01:06] <jo-erlend> pyther, anything you can do with Ubuntu Server, you can do with Ubuntu Desktop, and vice versa.
[01:06] <pyther> ok, so then what do I need to do to add gnome?
[01:06] <pyther> apt-get update && apt-get install gnome ?
[01:06] <a3ist> gnome-desktop
[01:06] <jo-erlend> depends on what you want. ubuntu-desktop gives you the normal desktop environment.
[01:06] <a3ist> oh that's it
[01:06] <a3ist> ubuntu-desktop not gnome-desktop
[01:07] <pyther> what are my other options?
[01:07] <a3ist> unless you really need it, you might want to try one with a lower footprint
[01:07] <a3ist> got a TON of options out there
[01:07] <jo-erlend> pyther, you can use a plain ubuntu desktop install and just add the services you want. I do that for almost all of my servers.
[01:07] <a3ist> for a "normal" desktop environment, check out XFCE and LXDE.
[01:08] <pyther> ahh ok, nah gnome should be good
[01:08] <jo-erlend> depends, depends, depends. What is it you're trying to do?
[01:08] <a3ist> pyther, gnome is pretty resource heavy
[01:08] <pyther> I am already installing ubuntu-server so I'll add ubuntu-desktop
[01:08] <a3ist> I'd really recommend lxde or xfce for a server
[01:08] <jo-erlend> if it's a home server or a small network server, then using a desktop install and add services is much faster than vice versa.
[01:08] <pyther> yah I know, but I need to make this as easy as possible for my boss
[01:08] <a3ist> oh
[01:09] <pyther> I was using centos, but it was just too old to support the new hardware I have
[01:09] <a3ist> well, what I do is I have ubuntu-desktop on my server but its only for hosting sessions occasionally for family members, and the sessions are created on demand by vnc4server.  For my own sessions I either go straight CLI or use the "awesome" tiling window manager
[01:10] <pyther> Yah I use cli on my archlinux home server
[01:10] <pyther> put for this server at work we are putting freeghost on it
[01:11] <a3ist> I'm on arch right now, but I made the server ubuntu-server so I wouldn't have to do as much configuring to get it up and workin
[01:11] <pyther> Hehe
[01:11] <a3ist> and its brand new hardware so I'm not worried about the extra footprint
[01:12] <a3ist> already unlocked an extra core on the amd cpu, and gonna tweak it more to try and get the fourth unlocked
[01:12] <a3ist> 4x 3.1ghz cores....mmmmm.....
[01:12] <pyther> I got 4GB ram, AMD Tri-Core 630, and a 1.5TB raid
[01:12]  * jo-erlend wins. :)
[01:12] <a3ist> I have the 550 x2, with a third core unlocked; gonna try raising the voltage a tiny bit to try and get the fourth core stable
[01:15] <pyther> Can someone point me to a guide on how to configure what services startup
[01:15] <pyther> or tell me what command ubuntu/debian uses?
[01:28] <pyther> Grr stupid thing failing to boot
[01:31] <pyther> Never mind it booted, just took a long time and sat at a '_' for 30 seconds or more
[01:40] <a3ist> I've been digging through xmodmap wiki articles and man pages for a while now...anyone know how I can block mouse move (MotionNotify) events unless a certain key is held?  IE, prevent the mouse from moving the pointer/cursor unless a specific button is being held down
[01:46] <jo-erlend> a3ist, sounds like a desktop to me. :)
[01:47] <a3ist> jo-erlend, its actually ubuntu-server running xbmc with a wiimote for controlling it :)
[01:47] <a3ist> just don't want the motion sensors to keep movin the cursor and possibly break out of full screen modes when trying to set it down
[01:48] <rgotten> anybody know what is the MasqueradeAddress
[01:53] <pyther> ubuntu-desktop install everything literally
[02:19] <gbear14275> anyone gotten pci passthrough to work with kvm on ubuntu 10.04?
[02:29] <monokrome> hey
[02:30] <monokrome> Does anyone here know how to fix my server's TTY text rendering off the screen on my monitor?
[02:30] <monokrome> It's a 9:15 ratio resolution monitor, so I think that's related.
[02:36] <monokrome> Oh well, I'll just set up SSH and wont need to worry about it
[03:09] <hggdh> ccheney: I am running a 2,000 instances on 30.2 right now
[03:23] <gondim> j #ubuntu-server-br
[03:23] <gondim> ops
[03:23] <gondim> sorry
[03:24] <hggdh> gondim: no prob, and I will go there also ;-)
[03:24] <gondim> hggdh: rsrsr ok. :)
[03:25] <hggdh> er. gondim, there is no such channel :-(
[03:28] <gondim> hggdh: are you brazilian?  :D
[03:28] <hggdh> gondim: born there, yes
[03:29] <gondim> hggdh: cool :D
[03:32] <gondim> hggdh: I'm thinking about migrating my servers CentOS to Ubuntu 10.04 LTS.
[03:33] <hggdh> gondim: if that helps any, I upgraded two of mine to 10.04 already, no problems
[03:42] <gondim> hggdh: thanks :)
[04:32] <Yosi> hi all, question
[04:33] <Yosi> my box can run 10.04 for days no prob, reboot as many times as i want no prob... but when i shutdown, and start it up again i get a psck that runs, screen locks and nothing happens..  if i do a reboot, everything comes up fine...  I'm new to linux and 10.04... any idea of whats up
[04:34] <twb> Yosi: ITYM "fsck".
[04:34] <Yosi> sorry new to the ling... but what does itym mean
[04:35] <twb> I Think You Mean
[04:35] <Yosi> lingo
[04:35] <Yosi> oh
[04:35] <Yosi> yes!  LOL
[04:35] <Yosi> yes, thanks...   :)
[04:35] <twb> A fsck is performed after an unclean shutdown, and for ext[234] filesystems, after every thirty mounts or so.
[04:35] <Yosi> I checked the raid many times and everything is fine with it.. always says Optimal condition
[04:35] <twb> The system should not freeze, but for a large (say, 1TB) filesystem, the fsck might take an hour or two.
[04:37] <Yosi> oh... see I'm running all SSD drives in my raid array, with no activity indicators on them (don't ask)..so for all i know they could be running, not freezing..  just seems to not do anything for a while, appears to be locked up....   the array is 450GB, and is ext4
[04:37] <twb> Do a normal boot and then leave it for an hour.
[04:37] <twb> If it's still screwy, you will need to investigate.
[04:38] <Yosi> why is it running all the time....  or do u think it may be just the once, and i keep on interupting it..so it does it next time   and next time?
[04:38] <twb> It's running all the time because you keep interrupting it.
[04:38] <twb> That, or you aren't doing a clean shutdown.
[04:38] <Yosi> ahhh... one sec, let me do a shutdown and normal boot now and see if it clears up the issue...
[04:39] <Yosi> I issue Shutdown -H Now
[04:39] <twb> Good.  That is the Right Thing.
[04:39] <Yosi> fresh install of 10.04, LSI Raid array, LAMP installed
[04:39] <Yosi> just shutsdown so fast, cause of the ssd raid...
[04:40] <Yosi> let me try it now...see what happens, one sec..
[04:40] <Yosi> btw - b4 I shut it down is there a fsck log that i can see if its actually trying to do anything that i keep on interupting
[04:45] <twb> Yosi: yes, it should just be /var/log/fsck IIRC
[04:46] <Yosi> i just checked, but in that fsck folder there is only two files checkfs and checkroot and when i try to read them they both say "Nothing has been logged yet"
[04:47] <Yosi> so i will do a normal boot now and see what happens
[04:50] <twb> Well, it can't write to the filesystem until the root filesystem has been fscked
[04:51] <Yosi> got dsiconnected
[04:51] <Yosi> twb: also on thwe next line it says "init: unreadahead other process (722) terminated with status 4"
[04:51] <Yosi> and now it seems frozen, but for all i know it could be reading the SSD array?
[04:51] <Yosi> just cursor blinking
[04:52] <twb> ureadahead is just there to make things faster; you shouldn't need to care if it fails.
[04:52] <twb> Yosi: what was the last message printed?
[04:52] <Yosi> ahh, thanks...makes sense..
[04:52] <Yosi> that was the last msg printed
[04:52] <twb> Hmph.
[04:52] <Yosi> nothing after that just a blinking cursor on the next line
[04:52] <twb> Did it start a fsck before that?
[04:53] <Yosi> first line says fsck from until-linux-ng 2.7....
[04:53] <Yosi> then next line was the /dev/sdb1: clean
[04:53] <Yosi> thats my main array
[04:54] <twb> That means the fsck of sdb1 finished.
[04:54] <qman__> so I got a new CF card and adapter for an old laptop, and hooked it up, but it won't let me create a partition table
[04:54] <Yosi> what ever that mean?  i assume its good news, maybe
[04:54] <qman__> I can write data to the disk with cat > /dev/sda, but fdisk will not write a partition table
[04:54] <qman__> always shows
[04:54] <twb> qman__: why are you using fdisk?
[04:54] <qman__> invalid flag 0x0000 of partition table
[04:54] <qman__> because the installer failed, as did a windows installer
[04:55] <qman__> and fdisk is what I know how to use
[04:55] <twb> You should be using cfdisk, gparted or GNU fdisk.
[04:55] <qman__> I use whatever 'fdisk' is on ubuntu
[04:55] <twb> But try writing zeroes to the first block.
[04:55] <a_m_y> wanted to use mod_evasive in ubuntu for apache2. tnx
[04:56] <twb> qman__: Ubuntu uses util-linux's unmaintained fdisk by default.
[04:56] <qman__> ok
[04:56] <Yosi> twb:  I'lll let it go for a while and come back to it...   I wish the stupid SSD's had a light so i would know if there was any activity...  one day i will have to wire up a LED to the raid controller to know whats going on...
[04:57] <Yosi> twb: does fsck display anything on the screen when its running
[04:57] <twb> Yosi: that depends how it is run.
[04:57] <Yosi> faair ebnough
[04:57] <twb> Yosi: I suspect your fsck run is finishing correctly, and something else is failing to start, or is hanging before it prints anything.
[04:58] <qman__> cfdisk has the same problem
[04:58] <twb> Yosi: you probably want to drop to a busybox shell and debug the boot process, but I can't be bothered talking you through that.
[04:58] <qman__> when I open it up again, I get "Unknown partition table type"
[04:58] <twb> qman__: did you zero the first block?
[04:58] <qman__> yes
[04:59] <qman__> well, provided cat /dev/zero > /dev/sda does that
[04:59] <twb> It should
[04:59] <twb> I would normally do dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=512 count=1
[04:59] <Yosi> twb:  maybe i'll just let it run for a while..
[04:59] <Yosi> maybe its doing something
[04:59] <qman__> worth a try
[04:59] <twb> qman__: if nothing else works, bounce the box after zeroing
[05:00] <twb> qman__: but "parted /dev/sda mklabel msdos" should also DTRT
[05:01] <qman__> it did the same thing with cfdisk, and for some reason parted is missing in my environment
[05:01] <twb> qman__: it's not installed by default.  Install it.
[05:02] <qman__> one moment, need to find another network cable
[05:02] <ccheney> hggdh: ok
[05:02]  * ccheney was gone most of the day to the hospital
[05:07] <qman__> it's doing the same thing
[05:08] <qman__> unrecognized disk label, fdisk still shows invalid partition table
[05:08] <twb> 14:00 <twb> qman__: but "parted /dev/sda mklabel msdos" should also DTRT
[05:08] <qman__> it does, but for some reason it doesn't get written to the disk correctly or at all
[05:09] <twb> What size is this drive?
[05:09] <qman__> 3.8GB
[05:09] <twb> Is it connected using a CF-to-SATA bridge?
[05:10] <qman__> 3753MB to be more exact
[05:10] <qman__> no, CF to IDE
[05:10] <qman__> 2.5:
[05:10] <qman__> 2.5"
[05:10] <qman__> I would suspect the hardware but I can actually write data to it and retrieve it, using cat
[05:10] <twb> Try another bridge
[05:11] <qman__> so I'm guessing it's some kind of compatibility problem
[05:11] <qman__> I only have the one
[05:11] <twb> Also, tell me the output of: parted -s /dev/sda <<<$'print\nmklabel msdos\nprint'
[05:11] <pogidude> how do i stop an upstart-job from running during boot?
[05:11] <twb> Go buy another one; it's the cheapest part to swap out.
[05:12] <twb> pogidude: do you want to disable it forever, or just from starting at boot?
[05:12] <pogidude> @twb just from starting at boot
[05:12] <pogidude> ex. smbd
[05:12] <twb> Edit the .conf someone
[05:12] <twb> Edit the .conf someHOW
[05:12] <pogidude> where is that?
[05:12] <twb> pogidude: /etc/init/smb.conf
[05:13] <qman__> syntax error, redirection unexpected
[05:13] <twb> qman__: are you using bash?
[05:13] <qman__> oh, nope, hang on
[05:13] <twb> Silly zsh users...
[05:13] <pogidude> hmmm..
[05:14] <pogidude> description "SMB/CIFS File Server"
[05:14] <pogidude> author      "Steve Langasek<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:14] <pogidude> start on local-filesystems
[05:14] <pogidude> stop on runlevel [!2345]
[05:14] <pogidude> respawn
[05:14] <pogidude> pre-start script
[05:14] <pogidude>         RUN_MODE="daemons"
[05:14] <pogidude>         [ -r /etc/default/samba ] && . /etc/default/samba
[05:14] <pogidude>         [ "$RUN_MODE" = inetd ] && { stop; exit 0; }
[05:14] <pogidude>         install -o root -g root -m 755 -d /var/run/samba
[05:14] <pogidude> end script
[05:14] <twb> pogidude: stop
[05:14] <pogidude> exec smbd -F
[05:14] <pogidude> stop on runlevel?
[05:14] <twb> No, stop with the noise.
[05:14] <qman__> useless recovery environment, /bin/bash not found
[05:14] <twb> !pastebin > pogidude
[05:14] <pogidude> oh sorry
[05:14] <twb> qman__: OK, one moment
[05:14] <qman__> I'll have to burn a desktop CD
[05:15] <twb> qman__: printf 'print\nmklabel msdos\nprint\n' | parted -s /dev/sda
[05:15] <qman__> lack of functional backspace is a pain
[05:15] <qman__> ok
[05:15] <twb> qman__: that's sh portable
[05:15] <qman__> returned nothing
[05:16] <twb> Hmph
[05:16] <twb> Try removing the -s
[05:16] <qman__> both before and after mklabel msdos, unrecognized disk label
[05:16] <twb> That's royally fucked.
[05:17] <twb> Does /proc/partitions look sane?
[05:17] <twb> Does dmesg say anything suspicious?
[05:17] <twb> I'm running out of ideas here.
[05:17] <qman__> yeah, looks fine
[05:17] <qman__> 8    0    3665592  sda
[05:17] <pogidude> twb: http://paste.ubuntu.com/447571/
[05:18] <qman__> I do have another CF card I can try, but not another adapter
[05:18] <qman__> I guess I'll do that just to narrow it down
[05:18] <twb> pogidude: try commenting out the "start on" line
[05:18] <pogidude> ok
[05:19] <pogidude> so all upstart jobs are in /etc/init ?
[05:19] <twb> Yes.
[05:19] <twb> Except older systems which used /etc/event.d/ instead
[05:19] <pogidude> how old?
[05:20] <qman__> hardy
[05:20] <qman__> maybe intrepid
[05:20] <pogidude> ok thanks..
[05:20] <twb> You either have /etc/init or /etc/event.d/
[05:24] <LowValueTarget> question.... im making a deb package that requires another package but its in a repo I am trying to add in the preinst script.
[05:24] <LowValueTarget> Can i even do that
[05:24] <gondim> twb: sysv-rc-conf not work in 10.04?
[05:25] <qman__> the other card's doing the same thing, so it's either the laptop or the adapter
[05:25] <qman__> I'm going to try and create a partition table on the card from a card reader
[05:26] <twb> gondim: is that the wanky curses GUI?
[05:27] <twb> I don't know anything about it.  On Debian I normally use "update-rc.d foo disable", but I doubt that will work with upstart.
[05:27] <gondim> twb: yes rsrsrsrs
[05:27] <twb> I haven't had to care about upstart yet because I'm still using 8.04.
[05:28] <gondim> twb: ah ok :)
[05:28] <twb> I used to like rcconf, but it's totally broken now.
[05:30] <CppIsWeird> im trying to boot a box to install ubuntu-server via PXE network booting.
[05:30] <CppIsWeird> the tftp server is going to be on a windows box
[05:31] <CppIsWeird> the only guide ive found is how to do everything with two ubuntu boxes
[05:31] <CppIsWeird> do i just put the ubuntu-server iso in the tftp directory and it will find it?
[05:31] <gondim> twb: ummm I'll look better upstart confs
[05:34] <twb> CppIsWeird: PXE does not use an ISO at all
[05:35] <qman__> ok, I plugged it into another system via USB, and now I have a totally different disk size
[05:35] <twb> The best reference for PXE installation is the Debian Install Guide, because Ubuntu uses debian-installer for all its install media except the "desktop" CD (which still uses d-i, but wraps it in ubiquity).
[05:36] <qman__> same CF adapter though
[05:36] <twb> qman__: is it a reputable CF card?
[05:36] <qman__> CF -> IDE 2.5" -> IDE 3.5" -> USB
[05:36] <qman__> kingston, 133x
[05:37] <qman__> the other one I have is a patriot
[05:37] <Yosi> twb:  nothing happened after 30 mins or so, i googled the hang on fck, and apparently it a knowen bug in 10.04, a workaround is hitting a Arrow key, so i did that and now a screen comes up saying "Ubuntu 10.04" and 4 flashing/cycling dots below it, any idea?
[05:37] <qman__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/447579/
[05:37] <qman__> odd cylinders and heads
[05:38] <qman__> but I don't know what it should be
[05:40] <LowValueTarget> How can i call apt-get from within a deb package installer script
[05:40] <LowValueTarget> for instance postinst or prerm
[05:41] <panfist> my first how-to, comments appreciated: http://frontiertechnologist.blogspot.com/2010/06/ubuntu-getting-packages-through-air-gap.html
[05:43] <twb> Yosi: nope
[05:43] <twb> qman__: C/H/S has been gibberish for years
[05:44] <twb> LowValueTarget: why do you want to do that?
[05:44] <qman__> well, over USB it works fine
[05:44] <qman__> so it must be something with the laptop
[05:44] <qman__> thanks for the help
[05:46] <LowValueTarget> twb: first off I would like to add a source as a dependency
[05:46] <LowValueTarget> is that possible
[05:46] <Yosi> twb: how long would u guess a fsck of a 500gb drive would take?
[05:46] <twb> Yosi: maybe half an hour?
[05:46] <Yosi> fair enough
[05:47] <Yosi> dioes fsck write anything to the disk or mostly reads?
[05:48] <panfist> man fsck
[05:48] <Yosi> good point, thanks, brb
[05:48] <twb> A typical fsck run will attempt to repair simple problems, which will generally not add files, but may move files into lost+found
[05:49] <LowValueTarget> twb: basically i want to add a package as a dependency, but auto-install the source that its on.
[05:49] <twb> What do you mean "auto-install the source"?
[05:51] <LowValueTarget> twb: so basically my package will depend on packagex for instance. But package x is only avail on repox. I want to add repox to sources.list.d/ and run an update so the user doesnt have to manually add it
[05:54] <twb> LowValueTarget: that's just wrong.
[05:54] <LowValueTarget> i FAIL?
[05:55] <ScottK> LowValueTarget: If the respository is signed, you'll also have to add the repository key to their keyring and if it's not, it's a security risk.
[05:55] <twb> You shouldn't be calling apt from a pre/post-inst/rm script.
[05:55] <ScottK> In addition to being just wrong.
[05:55] <LowValueTarget> twb: that makes sense
[05:55] <LowValueTarget> i have the key logic already with apt-eky
[05:55] <LowValueTarget> *apt-key
[05:55] <LowValueTarget> twb: how should I go about it?
[05:56] <twb> I have been thinking about a similar thing, and the Best Practice solutions I can think of are: 1) provide a README.Debian that tells the user what additional commands to run; or 2) provide a puppet/chef manifest instead of a deb.
[05:57] <twb> Where my use case is wanting to define an SOE that can be upgraded in-the-field, which also allows me to apply Ubuntu security updates in-the-field and is generally as unintrusive and well-integrated as possible.
[06:08] <qman__> gah
[06:09] <qman__> there's a BIOS update that addresses disk geometry issues
[06:09] <qman__> but said BIOS update is an EXE that creates a floppy
[06:09] <qman__> and said EXE is a 16-bit windows program
[06:10] <qman__> wish I could afford to just throw this thing away and buy a netbook
[06:12] <twb> On my asus systems, there's a BIOS option to boot the BIOS update ROM that's on the board
[06:12] <twb> It just looks for a file FOO.ROM in a FAT16 USB key, and installs it.
[06:13] <twb> MUCH easier than the old way where you'd need a temporary windows install
[06:13] <qman__> I don't even know if the USB floppy will work on it
[06:13] <qman__> it has a proprietary floppy connector, and I don't have one of those drives
[06:21] <Mgamerz> how do i remove the boot splash?
[06:21] <Mgamerz> I installed uh... xfce or whatever
[06:21] <Mgamerz> and now the splash F's up my loader
[06:21] <twb> Mgamerz: you don't get a splash if you do a server install.
[06:21] <Mgamerz> I installed uh... xfce or whatever
[06:21] <twb> Mgamerz: don't do that, then.
[06:22] <Mgamerz> ...
[06:22] <Mgamerz> wow thanks
[06:25] <qman__> ugh
[06:25] <qman__> the upgrade to lucid on my file server put a boot logo over top of the system messages
[06:25] <qman__> so now I just have to wait 3 hours to see if it's fscking or what
[06:26] <Jordan_U> Mgamerz: sudo apt-get remove xubuntu-plymouth-theme
[06:26] <qman__> not having a good day :(
[06:26] <Mgamerz> i just uninstalled the gui
[06:27] <Mgamerz> qman
[06:27] <Mgamerz> thats what mine is doing i think
[06:27] <qman__> just says "Ubuntu 10.04" in the center of the screen with four blinking dots
[06:27] <qman__> hiding any useful information
[06:28] <Mgamerz> exactly what mine did
[06:29] <Mgamerz> purple and orange?
[06:29] <qman__> no
[06:29] <qman__> "Ubuntu 10.04" is console font
[06:29] <qman__> the dots are white and orange
[06:29] <Mgamerz> yea... so is mine
[06:29] <Mgamerz> yea on a purpleish background?
[06:29] <qman__> no, black
[06:29] <Mgamerz> hmm
[06:29] <Mgamerz> mine is the same as that but purply
[06:30] <Mgamerz> i just did esc, and if that didnt work i did alt f2
[06:30] <Mgamerz> (or is it ctrl alt f2)
[06:30] <Mgamerz> not on server atm so cant remember
[06:51] <crazed__> <3 Ubuntu
[06:52] <Yosi> twb: are u online?
[06:52] <Yosi> I let fsck run for 2 hours and no luck....  just stays frozon on the boot screen...
[06:53] <Yosi> anyone else have the problem... that after a full shutdown, next time u boot up.. fsck run and freezes
[06:56] <twb> Yosi: sorry, I don't care about your problem.  Find someone else.
[06:56] <twb> Yosi: probably getting someone physically in front of the box, they'll be able to solve it much faster.
[06:56] <Yosi> k, fair enopugh
[07:27] <Mgamerz> oh man... the situational irony of all the hype for longhorn
[07:28] <NowhereBoy> hi all
[07:29] <NowhereBoy> i need some advice.
[07:30] <NowhereBoy> is ne1 around?
[07:32] <Mgamerz> yep
[07:32] <Mgamerz> but im not that experienced so...
[07:32] <NowhereBoy> hi Mgamerz
[07:32] <Mgamerz> hi
[07:32] <Mgamerz> i can only help with very basic stuff still
[07:32] <NowhereBoy> i am a newbie.. and I want to know how can I setup a small dev server on VMWare running on Windows Host?
[07:32] <NowhereBoy> ohh.. ok!
[07:33] <Mgamerz> i cant help ya there
[07:33] <NowhereBoy> ok thnx neway :)
[07:33] <Mgamerz> all my machines are over 5 years old
[07:33] <NowhereBoy> :O
[07:33] <Mgamerz> vmware was vaporware back then (figuratively)
[07:33] <NowhereBoy> okey!
[07:34] <a_m_y> coulnd't din the xen-tools in repo. tnx
[07:35] <NowhereBoy> ?
[07:35] <Mgamerz> no idea
[07:35] <Mgamerz> perhaps drunk :o
[07:36] <a_m_y> coulnd't install ubuntu-xen-server cause it depends on xen-tools
[07:36] <NowhereBoy> ohh!!
[07:36] <Mgamerz> perhaps not drunk
[07:36] <NowhereBoy> lol
[07:36] <a_m_y> coulnd't find the xen-tools in repo, even uncomment all in the sources.list
[07:36] <Mgamerz> lets see if mediatomb works...
[07:37] <Mgamerz> go canola
[07:37] <NowhereBoy> i am really new too all this..
[07:37] <Mgamerz> wtf
[07:37] <NowhereBoy> so have very lil idea..
[07:37] <Mgamerz> canola killed itself
[07:37] <a_m_y> appreciate for the help. tnx in advance
[07:37] <NowhereBoy> :)
[07:37] <Mgamerz> linux you never really understand
[07:37] <Mgamerz> you just learn it
[07:37] <NowhereBoy> it's fun thou!
[07:38] <Mgamerz> not if you are running maemo diablo
[07:38] <Mgamerz> bugssss!
[07:38] <NowhereBoy> i found a post.. to setup a dev server with Ubuntu-Server as guest and Windows as host.. on virtual box!
[07:38] <Mgamerz> whats the date?
[07:38] <NowhereBoy> of the post?
[07:38] <Mgamerz> yes
[07:39] <NowhereBoy> wait.. lemme look it up
[07:39] <Mgamerz> ubuntu has changed a lot since most posts
[07:39] <Mgamerz> 2008 is about the current threshhold for most items
[07:39] <NowhereBoy> Oct 27, 09
[07:39] <Mgamerz> you going to use lucid?
[07:40] <Mgamerz> i installed ubuntu into a win 7 box vmware
[07:40] <NowhereBoy> ohh nice
[07:40] <NowhereBoy> yeah will be using Lucid
[07:40] <NowhereBoy> i installed Mac on VMWare
[07:40] <Mgamerz> all i did was mount the iso as the cd drive from vmware setup
[07:40] <Mgamerz> and did the install
[07:40] <NowhereBoy> cool
[07:41] <Mgamerz> then it runs like normal
[07:41] <NowhereBoy> did u install the server ed?
[07:41] <NowhereBoy> or the desktop one!
[07:41] <Mgamerz> albeit much more latency
[07:41] <Mgamerz> no i had desktop then
[07:41] <NowhereBoy> ok
[07:41] <Mgamerz> but im running a server of lucid now
[07:41] <NowhereBoy> what' r u working on these days!?
[07:41] <Mgamerz> my 5 year old pos XP
[07:42] <NowhereBoy> ok great.. maybe u can help if I'm stuck smwhr!
[07:43] <NowhereBoy> i just want a web/app server on my virtual server box..
[07:43] <NowhereBoy> will work on coldfusion and java
[07:43] <NowhereBoy> also maybe.. i'm thinking.. will install MySQL
[07:43] <Mgamerz> mmhm
[07:44] <NowhereBoy> for app server.. i am thinking of iPlanet(Sun Web Server)
[07:44] <Mgamerz> i don't know about the reliability of web hosting in vmware
[07:44] <Mgamerz> mainly cause i don't use it
[07:44] <NowhereBoy> ok
[07:44] <NowhereBoy> vmware!!?
[07:44] <NowhereBoy> or web hosting!?
[07:44] <Mgamerz> combined
[07:44] <NowhereBoy> ok
[07:45] <NowhereBoy> what are other channels i can visit on freenode?
[07:45] <NowhereBoy> u know.. linux/java/coldfusion related!?
[07:45] <Mgamerz> theres #ubuntu, but its super busy
[07:45] <Mgamerz> #linux
[07:45] <Mgamerz> probably #java
[07:46] <Mgamerz> #coldfusion is rather empty
[07:46] <Mgamerz> errr
[07:46] <Mgamerz> coldfusion is invite only
[07:46] <Mgamerz> ##coldfusion
[07:47] <NowhereBoy> nice
[07:47] <NowhereBoy> this is a fun server :)
[07:47] <Mgamerz> I used to use rizon
[07:48] <Mgamerz> i was a mod for a ds homebrew channel... i quit after too many noobs
[07:48] <Mgamerz> i do not like freenots hostname and vmask options
[07:48] <Mgamerz> freenodes*
[07:48] <NowhereBoy> ohh.. u planin to start nething new?
[07:49] <Mgamerz> nope. I quit IRC for a while.
[07:49] <Mgamerz> Only back for linux assistance.
[07:49] <Mgamerz> have you ever used linux?
[07:50] <NowhereBoy> yes..
[07:50] <NowhereBoy> very little..
[07:50] <Mgamerz> how little
[07:50] <NowhereBoy> i am a newbie.. in this linux world.. so still in the process of learning
[07:50] <NowhereBoy> few months
[07:51] <Mgamerz> i see
[07:51] <NowhereBoy> i want a nice tutorial.. with load's of excersises.. to play wid..
[07:51] <NowhereBoy> could'nt find any
[07:51] <twb> Why is #ubuntu-server suddenly getting all these noisy idiots?
[07:51] <Mgamerz> well im not sure if you've installed ubuntu before, but server install is much more complex than desktop
[07:51] <Mgamerz> but nothing too serious
[07:52] <Mgamerz> i used the mini iso however... it may differ from the original cd installer
[07:53] <NowhereBoy> ohh.. is there a mini ISO?
[07:53] <NowhereBoy> man .. i am dldng the full blown version
[07:53] <NowhereBoy> what is the difference?
[07:54] <Mgamerz> mini iso is a 14MB iso
[07:54] <Mgamerz> instead of having a cd full of packages it downloads them instead
[07:54] <Mgamerz> trust me do not do it
[07:54] <Mgamerz> it takes way longer
[07:54] <NowhereBoy> ok..
[07:55] <Mgamerz> but my cd drive died and i had a 128MB sd card so i used that. i also could load the cd's iso from another flash drive (that i did not want to erase)
[07:55] <Mgamerz> so i didnt have to download all of it, but it was still slower
[07:55] <Mgamerz> and it F'ed up grub
[07:56] <a_m_y> coulnd't find the xen-tools in repo, even uncomment all in the sources.list and do apt-get update. Afterwards, did aptitude search xen, counlnd't find xen-tools
[07:56] <NowhereBoy> so what do u suggest.. is the normal version doable!?
[07:56] <NowhereBoy> what are XEN-tools?
[07:56] <Mgamerz> yea.
[07:56] <Mgamerz> I can't see the server cd being more difficult than expert install from mini iso.
[07:56] <Mgamerz> fyi you're gonna see a hell of a lot of terminal
[07:57] <Mgamerz> on server
[07:57] <Mgamerz> so if you are used to gui then have some ice water
[07:57] <NowhereBoy> lol
[07:57] <NowhereBoy> ice water.. good one :P
[07:57] <NowhereBoy> no i'll stick to gui
[07:57] <Mgamerz> eh... im serious
[07:57] <Mgamerz> just make sure you install nano not vi
[07:58] <NowhereBoy> brb
[07:58] <Mgamerz> vi is outrageous
[07:58] <NowhereBoy> i am comfortable wid vi
[07:58] <NowhereBoy> nano.. is good too
[07:58] <Mgamerz> ugh i hate vi
[07:58] <Mgamerz> i can't even type
[07:58] <NowhereBoy> brb
[07:59]  * NowhereBoy is back
[07:59] <NowhereBoy> ok..
[08:00] <Mgamerz> my media server workssss
[08:00] <NowhereBoy> why a media server?
[08:00] <Mgamerz> listening to Just Surrender - Burning Up (Acoustic)
[08:00] <Mgamerz> cause its 5 years old
[08:00] <NowhereBoy> can u share some books on linux?
[08:00] <NowhereBoy> or can u point me to a site.. frm where i can dld some!?
[08:00] <Mgamerz> all i have is command shell and scripting bible
[08:01] <Mgamerz> and i torrented that one
[08:01] <NowhereBoy> ok
[08:01] <NowhereBoy> what is it fr?
[08:01] <NowhereBoy> scripting in linux?
[08:01] <Mgamerz> yep
[08:01] <Mgamerz> terminal scripting
[08:01] <NowhereBoy> yeah.. that is vry imp i guess
[08:02] <Mgamerz> i ran sudo apt-get purge plymouth-themes* but it stillhas that damned splash
[08:03] <Mgamerz> even after the grub defaults too
[08:04] <NowhereBoy> hey man.. thanks for all the advice.. will catch you later.. i hv to go..fr now.. peace :)
[08:04] <Mgamerz> kbai
[08:05] <Mgamerz> that guy is going to have a heck of time with server edition...
[08:11] <a_m_y> coulnd't find the xen-tools in repo, even uncomment all in the sources.list and do apt-get update. Afterwards, did aptitude search xen, counlnd't find xen-tools
[08:12] <elnur> I've installed ruby1.9.1 and to use it I have to run `ruby1.9.1`. How can I run it as just `ruby`? Must I make a symlink by myself or there is a less hackish way?
[08:24] <spezticle> hey does anybody know where i can find the default /etc/apache2/sites-available/default-ssl file?
[08:35] <Masshuu> So i have a vps(openVZ) that runs 9.04
[08:35] <Masshuu> Is it worth it to run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and get it to 10.04 or should i just wipe and start with a clean base
[08:40] <Masshuu> im thinkin just wipe due to possible issues from upgrading
[08:41] <twb> !do-release-upgrade
[08:41] <twb> Grr, stupid bot
[08:41] <twb> !upgrade
[08:42] <Masshuu> i have a bunch of noob hacks and backports due to 9.04 packages not hacing certin things
[08:43] <Masshuu> which is why i like wiping
[08:51] <twb> Maybe you shouldn't install shitty kludges in the first place
[09:01] <CVirus> How can I display grub's menu in ubuntu server ?
[09:01] <CVirus> ubuntu 9.10 here
[09:01] <Russnix> How often does Ubuntu (and most other distros, I suppose) need to be rebooted with and without desktop packages?
[09:02] <CVirus> Russnix: no need to do that
[09:02] <Russnix> So a kernel patch doesn't require a reboot?
[09:02] <CVirus> unless you want to switch kernels
[09:02] <soren> Russnix: Sure.
[09:02] <CVirus> but this is irrelevant to your question
[09:03] <Russnix> Hmm.
[09:03] <Russnix> I grow tired of having to reboot my workstation every month.
[09:03] <Russnix> (Windows 7)
[09:04] <CVirus> my friend here has an uptime of 500 days with his laptop .. he's using it as a home server
[09:04] <twb> Russnix: then leave it turned off
[09:04] <CVirus> twb: good answer :-D
[09:04] <Russnix> twb: I tried that once.
[09:04] <Russnix> It still needed a reboot.
[09:04] <CVirus> haha
[09:04] <Russnix> Anyway.
[09:05] <Russnix> Someone just told me you should reboot after kernel updates.
[09:05] <CVirus> Russnix: off course
[09:06] <Russnix> You just told me a kernel patch doesn't require a reboot unless you want to switch kernels.
[09:07] <Russnix> Windows doesn't *require* a reboot either. It just doesn't apply the patches until you start the reboot process.
[09:10] <twb> On GNU/Linux, an upgrade affects files on the filesystem.
[09:11] <twb> Running processes are usually copies of the old files, and so continue to run the old version.
[09:11] <twb> New processes will get the new version from the filesystem.
[09:12] <twb> If you upgrade the kernel, you need to restart the kernel process to get the new version, either by rebooting or by kexec'ing.
[09:12] <twb> This need not be done immediately, but if it was a security update than it's advisable to do it sooner rather than later.
[09:13] <Russnix> Ah.
[09:13] <Russnix> "<twb> Running processes are usually copies of the old files, and so continue to run the old version." <-- what's the technical term for this?
[09:13] <twb> Because Windows doesn't use inodes, it can't update open files, which is why you HAVE TO reboot more often when upgrading various things.
[09:13] <Russnix> This is a facility Windows doesn't have.
[09:14] <twb> Russnix: erm, Windows certainly has processes, and they'll still start out as executables copied into memory.
[09:14] <Russnix> Vista and later supposedly fully support rebootless non-kernel hot patching.
[09:14] <twb> There's a crowd that provides that for Linux, with the caveat that data structures remain unchanged.
[09:15] <Russnix> twb: but wouldn't the executable on the disk be locked as in use?
[09:15] <twb> Russnix: I wouldn't think so, but I'm not a Windows sysadmin.
[09:21] <Masshuu> well i have my windows server(08) set up to automaticly patch, and i only hear it reboot once every 3-4 months
[09:22] <Masshuu> though it could obiously reboot more often,
[09:24] <twb> I get the impression that Microsoft batch up their patches into big blobs, though
[09:24] <twb> Maybe they only release a patch once per quarter
[09:25] <Masshuu> when i look at it, theres possibly 1-3 patches(which are run at 4 in the morning)
[09:25] <Masshuu> so they could group big patches and kernal ones per quarter
[09:27] <ljungk> what do i have to do to enable sound on an ubuntu server machine? I
[09:27] <Masshuu> uuuh
[09:27] <ljungk> ...have installed alsa but aplay -l says aplay: device_list:223: no soundcards found..
[09:28] <Masshuu> i always assumed sound was coupled with a gui, but im just a noob
[09:28] <ljungk> well you can have a music player server
[09:28] <ljungk> like mpd
[09:30] <twb> ljungk: alsa-base should be sufficient
[09:30] <twb> ljungk: perhaps your card is unsupported?
[09:32] <huats> I know I have asked that already yesterday, but since I got no answer ans since I haven't progessed I am asking again...
[09:32] <huats> I have used vmbuilder to create a lucid guest on a lucid host.
[09:32] <huats> I want to have a bridge connection between them.
[09:32] <huats> And it is not working. The xml configuation is OK, the route seems OK, the brctl output too. And the guest is well configured I think.
[09:32] <huats> Does anyone have a idea where I can look ?
[09:33] <ljungk> twb: I do have alsa-base, and I'm sure it's supported as it worked perfectly on jaunty desktop
[09:34] <ljungk> I suspect it has something to do with which module is loaded
[09:38] <twb> ljungk: pastebin amixer scontrols -c0, for values from 0 up until you get an error
[09:38] <twb> ljungk: also pastebin lspci -nn | grep Audio
[09:42] <ljungk> twb: actually it was pretty easily solved. I only had to add my user to the audio group
[09:42] <ljungk> thanks anyway
[09:56] <trapmax> i'm updating our server from 8.04 -> 10.04. how can i download all updates without installing them?
[10:00] <Russnix> Um. Download the ISO and upgrade?
[10:09] <corpse> philly
[10:10] <corpse> sorry mt
[10:10] <corpse> Is there anything i can do on my fileserver to make streaming video work smoother?
[10:16] <X-Sleepy-X> so if i wanna secure apache a bit i should install fail2ban?
[10:16] <X-Sleepy-X> or is there any other solution?
[10:17] <twb> trapmax: aptitude full-upgrade --download-only
[10:48] <Omahn> Anybody know if a FAQ page exists for converting init scripts to upstart jobs?
[10:50] <twb> Omahn: is it a simple init script, or a horrible complicated one?
[10:50] <Omahn> twb: nis
[10:51] <twb> ypserv or some other part?
[10:51] <twb> Yeah, there are a few separate daemons
[10:51] <twb> I would probably split them out into separate upstart .confs
[10:51] <Omahn> Bug #569757 is a complete show stopper for Ubuntu 10.04 server for us
[10:52] <twb> Omahn: I'm glad I'm not rolling out my lucid NIS server yet, then :-)
[10:53] <twb> Omahn: I think #upstart and the upstart wiki should be sufficient for you to write yp{bind,serv,passwd,xfrd}.conf jobs.
[10:53] <Omahn> We're just interested in the client part.
[10:53] <Omahn> twb: So the recommended route would be to split them up then. I'll have a look into it, without an upstart job for NIS we're pretty stuffed unless we use some ugly hacks.
[10:53] <twb> Omahn: oh, I notice that there are also parts in /etc/network/if-up.d/.  You would need to fold that in, too.
[10:54] <twb> Not that I know a hell of a lot about upstart, other than fighting it.
[10:54] <Omahn> twb: Thanks, you're filling me with confidence ;-)
[10:56] <twb> Omahn: please be sure to publish whatever you work out (to launchpad or whatever)
[10:57] <Omahn> twb: I'll be pushing it back on that bug report, assuming I can get something workable.
[10:57] <twb> Thanks.
[11:03] <trapmax> twb: thanks
[11:36] <rahman> Hi, I need to setup kvm on my ubuntu server. But there is one thing that I don't understand in wiki pages, that about bridging networks. Real machines interface is eth0 and I want the real server is accesible from outside with one ip (like xxx.xxx.xxx.50) and also the kvm machine should be accessible from outside with ip xxx.xxx.xxx.51. How can I achieve this?
[11:37] <halvors> Hi!
[11:37] <rahman> Wiki pages says to make eth0 manual mode and bridge br0 to eth0 but this doesn't give me two ip's
[11:38] <halvors> I have a problem with mysql server, i can't connect from localhost also mysql socket. Here is my log: http://pastebin.com/WTCJnkN2
[11:40] <halvors> ?
[11:41] <halvors> No ideas?
[11:41] <twb> rahman: are you using libvirt?
[11:42] <huats> I cannot find any configuation file for dnsmasq by default , on lucid, is it normal ?
[11:42] <twb> huats: did you install dnsmasq, or dnsmasq-base?
[11:42] <rahman> twb: didn't setup kvm yet but if it will help me I can use
[11:42] <twb> rahman: libvirt should Just Work wrt. networking, I think.
[11:43] <huats> twb, I haven't installed anything :) so there is just the dnsmas-base installed
[11:43] <twb> rahman: if you aren't using libvirt, I suggest you use kvm's built-in userspace NAT.
[11:43] <twb> huats: the config file and init script are in the "dnsmasq" package, which is in universe.
[11:43] <huats> twb, so how can I disable it ?
[11:44] <twb> huats: disable what?
[11:44] <huats> or at least the dhcp stuffs it provides
[11:44] <twb> huats: I think you have not installed Ubuntu Server.
[11:44] <rahman> twb: If I use NAT, can I access to virtual machine with its ip from my network?
[11:45] <twb> rahman: well, supposing you needed only SSH, you would tell KVM to connect your host's port 2022 to your VM's port 22, and then you could "ssh -p2022 <host IP>"
[11:45] <rahman> twb: as wiki says I need to use bridging to access vm from outside
[11:45] <twb> The VM wouldn't have its own IP, but the beneft is that it's a lot simpler to set up.
[11:46] <halvors> I have a problem with mysql server, i can't connect from localhost also mysql socket. Here is my log: http://pastebin.com/WTCJnkN2'
[11:46] <twb> halvors: try <IP_ADDRESS> instead of "localhost"
[11:46] <twb> halvors: mysql treats the string "localhost" specially, because they are idiots.
[11:47] <huats> twb, indeed... it is on a remote server so I haven't done the install myself...
[11:48] <huats> and I haven't the ubuntu-server package installed (I have just checked)
[11:48] <twb> huats: ubuntu-server isn't a package.  It's install media that don't install broken desktop crap like Network Manager.
[11:48] <huats> twb, I know the concept of meta package :)
[11:49] <huats> but in my opinion there was still a ubuntu-server meta
[11:49] <twb> huats: you'll need to purge whatever desktop stuff is there; probably anything that the {,x,k}ubuntu-desktop metapackages ask for.
[11:49] <huats> twb, there is nothing like that installed
[11:49] <huats> I have already checked
[11:49] <twb> huats: is network-manager installed?
[11:50] <huats> twb, nope
[11:50] <twb> huats: aptitude why dnsmasq-base
[11:50] <halvors> ok
[11:50] <huats> twb, libvirt is recommending it
[11:51] <halvors> it doesn't work...
[11:51] <huats> (and I need libvirt)
[11:51] <twb> huats: ah, of course.
[11:51] <twb> huats: OK, I don't know anything about libvirt, but that'll be what's invoking dnsmasq.
[11:51] <twb> You could always just try breaking the recommendation
[11:52] <huats> ok so in my case I need to install dnsmasq to stop the dhcp to answer I think :)
[11:52] <twb> huats: wrong.
[11:52] <huats> I'll try to break the recommends then
[11:52] <twb> libvirt is invoking dnsmasq directly -- adding an init script that also starts dnsmasq at boot won't stop libvirt invoking dnsmasq
[11:52] <halvors> What shoul di do whit this? http://pastebin.com/WTCJnkN2
[11:52] <huats> twb, in fact it is a depends ... :(
[11:53] <twb> huats: then you need to talk to someone who understands libvirt.  Wait here, and/or try #virt (#libvirt?)
[11:53] <huats> twb, I am sure soren might help :)
[11:54] <twb> huats: he's probably been scared away by all the young punks that flooded in here this week
[11:54] <huats> twb, thanks !
[11:54] <huats> twb, well he is not scared of me we have met many times IRL :)
[11:54] <huats> (well I hope)
[11:56] <rahman> twb: do you have any idea if it helps me if I bridge eth0 with br0 and eth0.1 with br0.1 ? Do you have any experince with subinterfaces?
[12:02] <twb> Some, but they're really BORING
[12:02] <twb> The brctl package has either a manpage or a README in /usr/share/doc/btrctl, I forget which.
[12:05] <rahman> twb: Thanks, I will look into it
[12:06] <halvors> What shoul di do whit this? http://pastebin.com/WTCJnkN2
[12:06] <halvors> Also a mysql problem...
[12:09] <twb> halvors: I don't know; ask #mysql.
[12:35] <RoyK> halvors: google is nice http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=15559
[12:40] <twb> Hm.  Why does my proxy think that URL is an ad?
[12:41] <twb> Because it matches "/bug\.php\?"
[12:41] <twb> Stupid adblockplus.
[12:50] <soren> huats: Sorry, what was the problem again?
[12:50] <soren> huats: Something about dnsmasq?
[12:51] <huats> soren, yep
[12:51] <ttx> huats: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dnsmasq/+bug/231060 ?
[12:51] <huats> soren, I am using libvirt to manage a vm
[12:51] <huats> (I have built it using vmbuilder)
[12:51] <soren> huats: Ok.
[12:51] <huats> and some informations are given to the guest (like gw)
[12:52] <huats> (I have setup it as bridge)
[12:52] <soren> Ok.
[12:52] <huats> but the gw is not the good one
[12:52] <soren> Not understood.
[12:52] <huats> :)
[12:52] <soren> What does "gw is not the good one" mean?
[12:52] <huats> the gateway that receive the guest is not the correct one
[12:53] <huats> so I'd like to disable the dhcp settings from the dnsmasq-base
[12:54] <soren> Ok.
[12:54] <huats> but I couldn't find any configuration for dnsmasq-base and since it is a depends from the  libvirt-bin I am a bit annoyed
[12:54] <soren> You could just make the guest not use dhcp, couldn't you?
[12:54] <huats> soren, it is not using dhcp that is the weird stuff :(
[12:55] <soren> huats: sorry, then I don't understand.
[12:55] <huats> I don't understand how the guest gets that gateway information
[12:55] <soren> huats: You're saying it "gets the wrong gateway"?
[12:55] <soren> huats: Can I see the output of: "cat /etc/network/interfaces ; ps -ef | grep dhc" in the guest, please?
[12:56] <huats> sure
[12:56] <huats> soren, let me reput everything like it was since I have shanged some stuff in order to fix it :)
[12:56] <soren> anyways, to disable the dnsmasq instance libvirt started, you just disable dhcp in libvirt's network configuration. Try "virsh net-edit default" and it should be fairly obvious.
[12:57] <soren> Oh, hang on.
[12:57] <soren> If you're bridging, that dnsmasq instance does not come into play at all.
[12:57] <huats> then I don't understand :(
[12:58] <huats> the guest is getting a gateway from somewhere. and of course it is not correct...
[12:58] <linxeh> is it possible to configure IP level router failover fairly easily? eg if router a.b.c.d stops routing packets (but the physical layer is still active) switch to using e.f.g.h ?
[13:06] <huats> soren, right now my configuration is messed up, I cannot anymore ping my guest from the host
[13:06] <huats> :(
[13:06] <huats> I'll ping you once I have fixed it up
[13:10] <twb> linxeh: try #netfilter.
[13:11] <zul> morning
[13:11] <zul> remember kids grape isnt funny
[13:12] <linxeh> twb: those channels normally scare me :)
[13:19] <a_ok> I want a minimum installation (will only be running KVM) how much diskspace would I need?
[13:22] <alvin> a_ok: 1.5 GB, but I'd go for a bit more.
[13:23] <Omahn> a_ok: Remember to leave enough room for downloading + installing system updates. :-)
[13:24] <a_ok> alvin: since we use a SAN I can always scale it up when needed. although I might want to have some extra so files wont be fragmented to badly
[13:25] <a_ok> thank
[13:28] <twb> a_ok: a truly minimal install would be around 256MiB
[13:29] <twb> Give or take 64MiB
[13:30] <a_ok> twb: but that would mean that I have to strip down a lot and not do a default instalation right?
[13:30] <twb> Depends how you do the install
[13:30] <_ruben> a default -server install on a 2GB flashdisk is already pretty tight when you want to do-release-upgrade (depending on partitioning)
[13:31] <twb> I'm not counting Priority: standard, or a kernel, *buntu-desktop, ubuntu-standard, or language-base-*
[13:32] <twb> The easiest way to find out would be to debootstrap or d-i an install and then du the tree.
[13:33] <twb> If you use casper, you can get it down a lot smaller -- a kernel, ramdisk, and filesystem.squashfs for a minimal system is 80MiB.
[13:34] <twb> I leave such an image in my /boot/ in case my root filesystem gets hosed, to save me having to find a live CD
[13:34] <a_ok> twb: well it's not that importand to me. I just don't want to waste 7GiB if I don't need it
[13:35] <Omahn> a_ok: A couple of gigs should be fine, particularly if you're using a SAN backend and you can just grow the LUN if required.
[13:35] <twb> 7GiB is enough for xubuntu-desktop AND kubuntu-desktop AND ubuntu-desktop
[13:36] <a_ok> Omahn: that is exactly what I am using. I'll go with 2 Gig for now
[13:36] <Omahn> a_ok: That's sensible :-)
[13:37] <twb> On real servers, I normally allocate two to four gig for the root filesystem, since I can online grow it if I need to.
[13:38] <a_ok> twb: Omahn: That will do fine than thanks for the advice
[13:38] <Omahn> No problem.
[14:02] <Omahn> Can anyone think of a valid reason why install Emacs on ubuntu server pulls down libasound2?
[14:05] <a_ok> Omahn: because emacs can play audio files?
[14:06] <Omahn> a_ok: Really? Fair enough. Seems a bit silly on a server.
[14:06] <a_ok> I have to agree on that
[14:06] <a_ok> unless its a sound server (but than you would still not use emacs for that purpose)
[14:07] <Omahn> Agreed :-)
[14:09] <twb> Omahn: install emacs23-nox
[14:09] <twb> The default "emacs23" is a GTK version, and pulls in lots of silly things
[14:09] <Omahn> twb: I did, or at least emacs-snapshot-nox
[14:09] <twb> Hm.
[14:09] <twb> You're right, -nox still depends on libasound (i.e. ALSA).
[14:09] <twb> I don't know why.
[14:10] <twb> Report it as a bug if you want to save that 200kB
[14:10] <Omahn> Yeah, I found an early bug report in debian saying that -nox had ALSA disabled but that doesn't appear to be the case in Ubuntu.
[14:10] <Omahn> 400kB ;-)
[14:10] <Omahn> Not that I care about that, it's the questions that will arise from the other admins when they ask why ALSA libs are getting installed for a text editor.
[14:12] <twb> Easy: Emacs isn't a *text* editor
[14:12] <Omahn> It's an OS :-)
[14:12] <twb> It's more of a desktop environment than an OS
[14:13] <twb> It provides a set of libraries and a set of applications and utilities that use those libraries to provide a consistent look-and-feel.
[14:13] <twb> Just like GNOME or KDE.
[14:13] <cloakable> heh
[14:13] <twb> Whereas an OS would need to provide hardware drivers.
[14:13] <cloakable> Short: want a text editor? Get vim :P
[14:13] <twb> cloakable: ITYM mg
[14:14] <cloakable> ?
[14:14] <twb> even nvi is TWICE the size of mg
[14:14] <twb> and vim is like 8MB
[14:14] <cloakable> heh
[14:14]  * Omahn dips out - not getting involved in this one ;-)
[14:14] <twb> Of course, busybox-static might still include its vi applet, in which case you get it for free with your ramdisk support.
[14:16] <sommer> morning
[14:24] <soren> Why, oh why, is it so bloody difficult for people to understand that reporting a bug is a way of asking for help, and asking for help by calling people idiots and shouting and screaming at them for no good reason is really, really unlikely to give good results?
[14:24] <zul> soren: i know i know
[14:27] <soren> case in point: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/netcat-openbsd/+bug/590925
[14:53] <elb0w> how can I disable unattended-upgr
[14:56] <TeTeT> elb0w: sudo dpkg-reconfigure unattended-upgrades
[14:56] <elb0w> will this hurt anything?
[14:56] <elb0w> it is a production machine
[14:57] <lukass> I've built a media server running ubuntu server lucid yesterday. Problem: the hard drives won't spin down.
[14:58] <TeTeT> elb0w: AFAIK not, the unattended-upgrades are only run by the nightly apt cron job
[14:58] <elb0w> ok
[14:59] <elb0w> cron.daily/apt?
[15:04] <lukass> possibly related, the raid5 process md0_raid5 is constantly running at about 25-30%
[15:06] <Omahn> lukass: I would say highly related :-)
[15:07] <lukass> Omahn: So it isn't normal, good to know :)
[15:09] <Omahn> lukass: md0_raid5 running at 25-30% could be normal, depends on how loaded those disks are or if they're currently scrubbing.
[15:10] <lukass> Omahn: they aren't doing anything. Or shouldn't be anyway.
[15:11] <Omahn> lukass: What's the output from 'mdadm --detail /dev/md0' ?
[15:14] <Omahn> lukass: '/usr/share/mdadm/checkarray -s /dev/md0' will show if the array is currently undergoing a sanity check
[15:15] <Omahn> lukass: An active check will show something like this in the output of 'cat /proc/mdstat':
[15:15] <Omahn> d2 : active raid1 sdb5[1] sda5[0] 69685184 blocks [2/2] [UU] [>....................]  check =  0.9% (629056/69685184) finish=21.9min speed=52421K/sec
[15:18] <lukass> /dev/md0:
[15:18] <lukass>         Version : 00.90
[15:18] <lukass>   Creation Time : Wed Jun  9 19:24:53 2010
[15:18] <lukass>      Raid Level : raid5
[15:18] <lukass>      Array Size :<PHONE_NUMBER> (4191.79 GiB 4500.90 GB)
[15:18] <lukass>   Used Dev Size :<PHONE_NUMBER> (1397.26 GiB 1500.30 GB)
[15:18] <lukass>    Raid Devices : 4
[15:18] <lukass>   Total Devices : 4
[15:18] <lukass> Preferred Minor : 0
[15:18] <lukass>     Persistence : Superblock is persistent
[15:18] <lukass>     Update Time : Thu Jun 10 16:16:34 2010
[15:18] <lukass>           State : active, resyncing
[15:18] <lukass>  Active Devices : 4
[15:18] <lukass> Working Devices : 4
[15:18] <lukass>  Failed Devices : 0
[15:18] <lukass>   Spare Devices : 0
[15:18] <lukass>          Layout : left-symmetric
[15:18] <lukass>      Chunk Size : 64K
[15:18] <lukass>  Rebuild Status : 48% complete
[15:18] <lukass>            UUID : 81da332e:2d66582c:69b0e654:86e38bd9
[15:18] <lukass>          Events : 0.26
[15:18] <lukass>     Number   Major   Minor   RaidDevice State
[15:18] <lukass>        0       8       17        0      active sync   /dev/sdb1
[15:18] <lukass>        1       8       33        1      active sync   /dev/sdc1
[15:18] <lukass>        2       8       49        2      active sync   /dev/sdd1
[15:19] <lukass>        3       8       65        3      active sync   /dev/sde1
[15:19] <Omahn> lukass: It's currently undergoing a rebuild, have you recently replaced a disk?
[15:19] <Omahn> lukass: Or had an unscheduled reboot?
[15:19] <lukass> Omahn: I've only built the system yesterday, and no, no sudden reboots
[15:20] <Omahn> lukass: Ok, in that case it's probably just building the array.
[15:20] <Omahn> lukass: It can take a long time, particularly with 4.5TB :-)
[15:21] <lukass> Omahn: That's a relief, thought something was wrong with it. Thanks a bunch :)
[15:21] <Omahn> lukass: Nothing wrong, perfectly normal :-)
[15:22] <Omahn> lukass: RAID builds are limited to a certain bandwidth, you can increase the limit if you don't mind the machine becoming *very* slow until it finishes.
[15:23] <lukass> Omahn: how do I go about this?
[15:23] <Omahn> lukass: http://www.ducea.com/2006/06/25/increase-the-speed-of-linux-software-raid-reconstruction/
[15:33] <bjor> any good with ldap?
[15:33] <bjor> anyone*
[15:35] <bjor> more specifically using openldap as a central user authentication server?
[15:35] <MTecknology> I wish there was a php5-cgi-lite
[15:35] <MTecknology> and a mysql-server-lite
[16:11] <zul> MTecknology: lite?
[16:22] <lukass> Omahn: Thanks again. Learnt a bit about RAID today. Changing the minimum didn't do much unfortunately, 28000K/s is the maximum for rebuilding. I just hope it's not the maximum write speed :).
[16:26] <MTecknology> zul: yup
[16:26] <MTecknology> zul: Some really really light weight version of those that's just as powerful but but faster and lighter :D
[16:27] <zul> k
[16:28] <MTecknology> zul: sorry, I was just thinking about how I switched from Apache to Nginx and things were much lighter with all the power I needed - There's not really an option like that for the other two
[16:55] <JackTO> After GRUB, I see a blinking cursor and nothing happens in 10.04.  The Live CD works, but not my new installation... any easy way to debug and troubleshoot the bootup process, see what is causing the freeze?
[16:56] <bjor> ctrl-alt-F7
[16:56] <bjor> i think
[16:56] <bjor> doesnt that pull up a terminal
[16:56] <bjor> or F6 i forget
[16:57] <JackTO> when it freeze, should i hit that sequence?
[16:57] <bjor> idk
[16:57] <bjor> can you get to a login screen?
[16:57] <JackTO> no, before login screen, after grub
[16:57] <bjor> try it
[16:57] <bjor> idk anything else to do
[16:57] <JackTO> let me try
[16:59] <JackTO> nothing happs
[17:00] <JackTO> just stuck there... is there a safe mode or a step by step/line by line loading like windows?
[17:00] <bjor> Im not sure
[17:00] <bjor> try using the install disk to check ur ram or disks
[17:01] <JackTO> already did both:(
[17:03] <bjor> Is it a particular old system or something?
[17:03] <bjor> sounds like it might be hanging on some drivers
[17:03] <bjor> Something with the kernel
[17:04] <bjor> Try unplugging all your unneeded USB devices?
[17:05] <JackTO> odd enough, in my GRUB menue ther is two versions of the system "Ubuntu, with Linux <IP_ADDRESS>-server" and "Ubuntu, with Linux <IP_ADDRESS>-server"... just tried the older one and it loads fine!
[17:05] <JackTO> when i did an update, does it make two copies of the entire system, of is that just the kernel
[17:06] <bjor> I have no idea
[17:06] <bjor> But it would have to make a temporary copy
[17:06] <bjor> Cause it can't update files currently being used
[17:08] <bjor> Sounds like it might be time for a fresh format and install
[17:11] <monokrome> ]/me just finished two of those
[17:36] <mathiaz> zul: great!
[17:37] <mathiaz> zul: could two pages be generated instead/in addition?
[17:37] <zul> mathiaz: probably
[17:37] <mathiaz> zul: so that someone that wants to work on SRU can just look at one page and get the whole list from there
[17:37] <mathiaz> zul: or may be add a links to the top of the page
[17:37] <zul> mathiaz: good idea, ill do that next
[17:38] <mathiaz> zul: and put the unassigned SRU first
[17:53] <baddassmutha> Hi. Does anyone know of a case study where a Windows Server domain with Windows PC connecting to that domain has been replaced completely by an Ubuntu Server with Ubuntu Desktops connecting and authenticating against that server. I know how to joing an Ubuntu desktop to a windows domain with AD and Samba shares etc to a windows server/PC, but I would like to know the answer to my question 'if possible', thank you.
[17:54] <hggdh> jiboumans: ping
[17:55] <jiboumans> hggdh: pong
[18:01] <cloakable> baddassmutha: not that I know of
[18:01] <cloakable> I'll let you know when I get my network up :)
[18:19] <DirtyD> vmbuilder is complaining to me:  unmet dependency: ubuntu-minimal: Depends: lsb-release but it is not installed   - any ideas about cause?
[18:19] <ScottK> baddassmutha: Samba 3 can't do PDC for Win2K or later AD.  Samba 4 is not released yet (it's an alpha grade system)
[18:20] <spat> I (or the installer) installed grub stage one on the wrong disk how can I get it on the second disk asap?
[18:24] <spat> never mind found it size of the code area :)
[18:50] <ne7work> hello all
[18:50] <ne7work> how can i install gnome on my ubuntu server edition 9.04?
[18:56] <bjor> apt-get ubuntu-desktop?
[18:56] <bjor> or w/e
[19:01] <godzirra> Howdy folks.   I installed Ubuntu Enterprise Cloud edition and it didn't give me the information to log into the UEC when I installed.  How do I login?
[19:01] <godzirra> I got to the login page, but the user I created doesn't let me login.
[19:07] <godzirra> Anyone know?
[19:07] <bjor> narp
[19:08] <godzirra> I just need to know how to log into the UEC panel.
[19:09] <godzirra> Well darnit.
[19:09] <Pici> godzirra: Be patient, this channel isn't nearly as busy as #ubuntu
[19:11] <godzirra> I've noticed.  Its all good.
[19:11] <godzirra> I've setup my original linux box as a cloud controller (I think)... but it chose an IP address based on dhcp.  any reason I can't change that to static?  And forgive me if my questions are basic, i've never played with a cloud setup before.
[19:12] <bjor> always use static IPs for server
[19:12] <godzirra> Okee dokee.  It didn't give me an option during setup.  Although I may have missed it.
[19:44] <mathiaz> SpamapS: hey - re bug 491685
[19:44] <mathiaz> SpamapS: in the patch a file reopen before the second fork
[19:44] <mathiaz> SpamapS: shouldn't the file be reopen *after* the second fork?
[19:45] <mathiaz> SpamapS: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/50080362/lp_491685.patch
[19:47] <SpamapS> mathiaz: I know it seems weird
[19:47] <SpamapS> mathiaz: but that will result in the tty staying attached
[19:47] <SpamapS> mathiaz: I took the method directly from Proc::Daemon
[19:48] <mathiaz> SpamapS: is this due to the way reopen_logfile works?
[19:49] <SpamapS> mathiaz: reorienting my mind.. let me re-read it
[19:50] <SpamapS> mathiaz: no that is correct. reopen_logfile closes stdin/stdout and reopens to the correct place. If you do that after the fork, you still are "attached" to your tty.
[19:50] <mathiaz> SpamapS: ok - thanks
[19:51] <SpamapS> mathiaz: I tested it the way you suggest, and it kept the tty. though re-reading 'perldoc Proc::Daemon', it does suggest that it closes files before the second fork. Hrm.
[19:51] <mathiaz> SpamapS: ok - it may be better to wait for upstream's response to the patch
[19:52] <mathiaz> SpamapS: I've opened a bug task against the upstream project in bug 491685
[19:52] <mathiaz> SpamapS: as you've pasted the link into the bug comment - I just cliked on also affect project
[19:52] <SpamapS> mathiaz: err, I already did that?
[19:53] <mathiaz> SpamapS: ah - you've opened a bug in the *upstream* bug tracker
[19:53] <mathiaz> SpamapS: I've setup a bug watch in LP
[19:53] <SpamapS> Remote bug watches
[19:53] <SpamapS> auto-code.google.com-79 #139
[19:53] <SpamapS> Bug watches keep track of this bug in other bug trackers.
[19:54] <mathiaz> SpamapS: hm - right
[19:54] <SpamapS> mathiaz: is there a difference?
[19:54] <mathiaz> SpamapS: hm...
[19:54] <SpamapS> mathiaz: one thing that really annoys people is that Launchpad projects get created for their projects without their involvement.
[19:55] <SpamapS> Though this would appear to have Brian Aker's seal of approval, sort of.. so thats probably no big deal. ;)
[19:55] <mathiaz> SpamapS: :) - that's one of the goal of LP
[19:55] <SpamapS> Though they only have 1.2.8 on their.. and 1.4.5 is the latest upstream.
[19:55] <mathiaz> SpamapS: well - I think that opening a task for the upstream project enables you to track the bug status as well
[19:56] <mathiaz> SpamapS: so if upstream closes the bug we can get notified about it
[19:56] <SpamapS> s/their/there/
[19:56] <mathiaz> SpamapS: I'm not sure if you'd get notified if you're *not* opening an upstream bug task
[19:57] <SpamapS> mathiaz: back to LP .. what is one of the goals of LP? To have a LP project listed for every project?
[19:58] <panfist> i was hoping someone could help me understand the default postfix configuration options...'local only' says "will not accept any mail from the network",
[19:58] <mathiaz> SpamapS: to be a central hub for open source projects
[19:58] <panfist> so which option do i want if i just want a mail server for sending and receiving mail between LAN users only
[19:58] <mathiaz> SpamapS: to enable collaboration between projects
[19:58] <mathiaz> SpamapS: bug watches is one such example
[19:58] <SpamapS> panfist: no outside email at all?
[19:59] <panfist> well the network doesn't even have internet access, so nope
[19:59] <mathiaz> SpamapS: if you use LP you can have one central place to monitor the status of bugs accross multiple projects/distors
[19:59] <SpamapS> mathiaz: yeah I like the bug watch thing, but it seems like you can do that w/o a project page.
[19:59] <mathiaz> SpamapS: true - now there are other things such bzr branches
[19:59] <mathiaz> SpamapS: where you can import remote upstream repositories
[19:59] <mathiaz> SpamapS: (even if upstream repositories are in git, svn, cvs)
[20:00] <mathiaz> SpamapS: and have them available as bzr branch via LP
[20:00] <SpamapS> panfist: you probably want internet site then. Use a domain now, so that you don't have to re-do contacts later when you realize that email w/o internet is kind of silly. ;)
[20:00] <SpamapS> mathiaz: that I've done, and like. :)
[20:00] <panfist> well, don'
[20:00] <mathiaz> SpamapS: which is getting more interesting for ubuntu as we'd like to link the upstream repository with the package branches at some point
[20:00] <panfist> email w/o internet is silly. hum. i suppose we should all just kill ourselves at our sight then.
[20:00] <panfist> i mean site.
[20:01] <SpamapS> panfist: no, but you might want to wear giant shoes and red noses. ;)
[20:01] <mathiaz> SpamapS: so given that you've got bug watches, code imports - it starts to be interesting to group them under a project
[20:01] <mathiaz> SpamapS: thus - creating projects in LP
[20:01] <mathiaz> SpamapS: to be able to have a quick view of the project ressources - even if it's just links towards external ressources (bug trackers, code repository)
[20:01] <SpamapS> panfist: I kid.. you can certainly have offline email. I'd suggest running it like an internet site. If you want, you can certainly run it as 'local only'.. your users will need to set their To: to just the username then.. like To: panfist
[20:02] <panfist> spamaps what if you were a small business that depended entirely on owning a few important trade secrets, and if those trade secrets were leaked, a larger competitor could crush you in weeks
[20:03] <SpamapS> panfist: I've worked with people who have to maintain two computers on their desks at work.. 1 with internet, and 1 without. I was really joking. :)
[20:03] <Todd> "N
[20:03] <panfist> sorry if i kinda snapped...i'm stressed
[20:03] <SpamapS> panfist: I would be too if I was afraid the competitors were going to crush me in weeks. ;)
[20:04] <panfist> anyway, i'm trying to set up services and web apps like request tracker and a wiki that traditionally rely on email notifications
[20:04] <SpamapS> panfist: that can all work, just set it up as an internet site.
[20:05] <panfist> ok.
[20:05] <SpamapS> panfist: nobody says you have to have root servers to make DNS work. :)
[20:06] <Todd> http://wiki.uberprivateserver.local<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:06] <Todd> seems easy enough
[20:07] <panfist> ok so i just paste that into a config file...?
[20:07] <panfist> just kidding!
[20:07] <blackxored> my gwibber post message pane is gray, anyone knows why??
[20:10] <blackxored> sorry, bad channel ;)
[20:10]  * SpamapS pastes ASCII art of a huge trout slapping panfist around in a config file
[20:12] <ne7work> how to install gnome on ubuntu server edition 9.10
[20:14] <panfist> you probably want to do- sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[20:16] <SpamapS> ne7work: you might also look at tasksel
[20:16] <ne7work> panfist, I don't want to install ubuntu-desktop
[20:16] <ne7work> i want to install only gnome enviorment
[20:18] <panfist> if you have to ask about how to install gnome, then you are better off installing ubuntu-desktop. ubuntu-desktop is a high-level package that depends on other packages that set up an environment just like you'd get if you installed ubuntu desktop edition
[20:18] <panfist> can you answer the question: what part of ubuntu-desktop do you not want? if you don't know exactly, just install ubuntu-desktop, you'll save yourself some pain later
[20:18] <Todd> *cough*LXDE*coughcough*
[20:18] <Todd> although.. definitely still has a learning curve
[20:19] <ne7work> i need very simple server edition without any programs only with graphic enviorment
[20:19] <Todd> LXDE sounds perect for that application
[20:19] <panfist> then you don't even want gnome, because gnome is a complete desktop environment
[20:20] <ne7work> well
[20:20] <ne7work> what i need
[20:20] <ne7work> i need to play counter-strike 1.6
[20:21] <panfist> on your server?
[20:21] <ne7work> and run half life dedicated server, apache2, mysql-server, php5-mysql, phpmyadmin
[20:21] <ne7work> yes
[20:21] <ne7work> when I install my nvidia driver..
[20:21] <ne7work> i need only wine
[20:21] <ne7work> and graphic enviorment
[20:22] <SJr> Hmmmm at 6:30 this morning my mysql server stopped with a normal shutdown, and I'm not sure why.
[20:24] <ne7work> :X
[20:24] <ne7work> and now
[20:24] <ne7work> how can I install only gnome not ubuntu-desktop on my server
[20:24] <ne7work> and what is the different between ubuntu server edition with ubuntu-desktop and ubuntu desktop edition?
[20:25] <panfist> i'm pretty sure server edition with ubuntu-desktop is about the same as desktop edition with ubuntu-server
[20:25] <SpamapS> ne7work: Todd's right, give lxde a try
[20:25] <SpamapS> SJr: /var/log/syslog have any information about it?
[20:25] <panfist> nevermind
[20:25] <panfist> yeah, lxde is probably the best combination between easy and light
[20:25] <SJr> no Spamaps, just that the shutdown occured
[20:26] <SpamapS> ne7work: you know though, ubuntu desktop isn't exactly "heavy" .. its actually pretty lean for all the crazy stuff it does. ;)
[20:26] <SpamapS> SJr: like 'mysqld is shutting down...' ?
[20:27] <SJr> mysqld[2743]: 100610  6:39:49 [Note] /usr/sbin/mysqld: Normal shutdown
[20:27] <SJr> mysqld[2743]: 100610  6:39:49 [Note] /usr/sbin/mysqld: Normal shutdown
[20:27] <SJr> mysqld[2743]: 100610  6:39:49 [Note] /usr/sbin/mysqld: Normal shutdown
[20:27] <SJr> WHOOPS sorry
[20:27] <SpamapS> SJr: I'd make sure that nobody has super user access.
[20:27] <SpamapS> meaning mysql super user
[20:27] <SJr> hmmmmm
[20:27] <SJr> there shouldn't be
[20:27] <SJr> only two people logged into the system according to last
[20:28] <SpamapS> select * from mysql.user where super_priv = 'Y'\G
[20:28] <SJr> Oh you think it happened in MySQL
[20:28] <SJr> hmmm didn't think of that.
[20:29] <SJr> 5 users
[20:29] <SJr> hmmmm and Phpmyadmin, perhaps brute forced
[20:30] <SJr> actually I wonder, is my syslog in current time or UTC?
[20:30] <SJr> probably local time it looks like
[20:48] <azlon> i am having problems with one of my drives in an mdadm RAID-5
[20:49] <azlon> when i do cat /proc/mdstat it says my /dev/sdd1 is missing
[20:49] <azlon> when i do ls -l /dev/disk/by-id it shows up
[20:49] <azlon> what can i do?
[20:51] <corpse> ok, im having a hell of a time connecting to my seedbox via lftp. its an sftp server so i use lftp sftp://username.site.adress.com:port  and i will be prompted for my password which i enter. Then when i !ls i just get the output of the directory i was in before i ran lftp, i.e servers /home
[20:53] <JackTO> can anyone help me debug my bootup issue... 50% of the time it lock on bootup with a blinking cursor...
[20:54] <JackTO> after grub
[20:55] <MrWise> is the ubuntu server install using GUI setup?
[20:55] <JackTO> nope..
[20:56] <JackTO> just the AMD64 bit server edition
[20:56] <JackTO> working on this 3 days now with no luck
[20:56] <JackTO> half the time it boots fine, and half the time it locks
[20:57] <guntbert> JackTO: did you look into the log files?
[20:58] <JackTO> i did, i read the dmesg log, and the boo log
[20:58] <JackTO> but not sure how to detect if something is messing up the dmsg file is HUGE
[20:58] <JackTO> and the boot.log is useless..
[20:59] <guntbert> JackTO: the log files have time stamps - so on the next lockup remember the time - then you have an anchor point in the logs
[21:00] <SpamapS> JackTO: is there any pattern? Like, does it lock if you soft reboot, but not if you hard boot from poweroff?
[21:00] <JackTO> mostly from hardboot, softboot rarly cause the lockup
[21:02] <MrWise> system hangs shortly after I choose install ubuntu server, I see one line of text flash by and then around 12 blinks of an underscore, then it just stops
[21:02] <MrWise> that's from CD install, from usb it hangs even before that menu
[21:02] <MrWise> anyone know what's up? :(
[21:03] <MrWise> I've installed winXP on this machine without any problems from CD earlier, also have a fully working XP install on it that boots fine
[21:03] <guntbert> !md5sum | MrWise did you check?
[21:07] <habanany> windows channel address please
[21:07] <Todd> ???
[21:08] <guntbert> habanany: ##windows
[21:08] <habanany> I have question about windows
[21:08] <habanany> thanks
[21:08] <JackTO> I JUST noticed, something...my system locked up again..off a hard boot..  nothing works, BUT when I hit (Ctrl-Alt-F1), i gte the login prompt?  what does ctrl-alt-f1 do??
[21:08] <MrWise> guntbert; yeah md5sum checks out fine
[21:10] <Todd> JackTO: sounds like you're switching to a different TTY.
[21:11] <JackTO> Todd: is that solving my problem?  seems to bypass the hanging issue on startup
[21:11] <habanany> ##windows
[21:11] <Todd> JackTO: Do you have X installed?
[21:12] <JackTO> todd: no, no x installed
[21:12] <Todd> JackTO: Weird. Whatever TTY you're booting up to is freezing, but TTY1 is not? Above my head.
[21:12] <JackTO> but after gub, the scren flashes a few time before the hanging or before the login
[21:13] <guntbert> MrWise: at that time it tries to enable the frame buffer, you could set fb=false in the command line, also you *should* be able to switch to another virtual console with alt+left or alt+right
[21:13] <JackTO> after grub*
[21:14] <MrWise> guntbert; mind explaining in more detail how I set fb=false and in which command line?
[21:14] <MrWise> also, when should I switch virtual console, just before it hangs?
[21:15] <guntbert> MrWise: in the start menu press F6, then ESC (to get rid of the pop up menu, then you see the command line, I ussually remove "quiet" too
[21:16] <guntbert> MrWise: you could try to switch when you have the impression that it hangs and see if there is something happening on another console
[21:17] <MrWise> ah
[21:18] <panfist> regarding postfix configuration, there is a step that asks if you want to use procmail to deliver local mail. i'm a complete email noob. what are the implications of using procmail or not?
[21:18] <Delemas> Is anyone here familiar with UEC and specifically how the node controller caching works?
[21:18] <MrWise> guntbert; oh and do I add set fb=false or just fb=false?
[21:19] <guntbert> panfist: a severe warning : don't run a publicly reachable mail server if you don't really know what you are doing -- keep it strictly confined to your llocal network
[21:19] <JackTO> does anyone here know if CentOS is more stable, less buggy than Ubuntu server.. its my first week of working with ubunto and already encountered many bugs from not working with webmin, to random lokups on startup etc...
[21:20] <guntbert> MrWise: just fb=false (press F1, then F8 to get help on that)
[21:20] <MrWise> guntbert; with just fb=false, and removnig quiet, it still hangs
[21:21] <guntbert> !webmin | JackTO
[21:21] <panfist> guntbert it is strictly confined, no physical access to the internet
[21:21] <MrWise> guntbert; but now it shows switching to color frame buffer before it hangs
[21:21] <guntbert> panfist: in that case it doesn't really matter, keep to the default
[21:22] <JackTO> ubottu - tried ebox and it SUXS!   webmin is 100% better...
[21:22] <panfist> alrighty then
[21:22] <guntbert> JackTO: it doesn't matter that it is better - it may play havoc with your configuration
[21:23] <MrWise> grantbow; [    1.867660] Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 80x30
[21:23] <guntbert> MrWise: and the neighboring consoles?
[21:23] <MrWise> nothing happens
[21:23] <MrWise> when I hit alt+left or alt+right
[21:23] <JackTO> guntbert: maybe since i loaded webmin, my system has been freezing on boot?....  mmmmmmmmmmmm
[21:24] <guntbert> JackTO: installing webmin won't hurt, using it can and will ...
[21:25] <guntbert> MrWise: then I'm out of ideas - sorry, it seems your system really hangs  :-(
[21:25] <JackTO> which is the most stable linux for a webserver out there? rhel? centos? suse?   i can't stand this constant hanging and crashing..
[21:26] <godzirra> howdy folks.  Looks like I have my cluster going... sort of.
[21:26] <bjor> JackTO: Ive never had problems with ubuntu server hanging..
[21:26] <MrWise> guntbert; can't I just not make it switch to colour frame buffer device?
[21:26] <MrWise> make it not*
[21:26] <godzirra> When I run this command to start my ubuntu instance, it tells me I don't have enough resources... what am I doing wrong?
[21:26] <godzirra> shawn@jomamma:~$ sudo euca-run-instances $EMI -k mykey -t m1.large emi-E11E1088
[21:27] <JackTO> bjor: both my physical box and my virtual box both hang on random boots...
[21:27] <guntbert> MrWise: that was the point of fb=false -- please compare what you typed with the help message
[21:27] <bjor> JackTO: have you ruled the possibility of hardware faults?
[21:28] <JackTO> bjor: tried for 3 days to track any hardware faults down with no luck, but then again i'm new to linux, so maybe there are places i'm not checking
[21:29] <hallyn> mathiaz: https://code.launchpad.net/~serge-hallyn/+activereviews   uh, did i do that right?
[21:29] <bjor> JackTO: Well just double check the usual suspects, RAM, HDDs, and USB Devices
[21:29] <hallyn> should i have listed you specifically?
[21:29] <godzirra> So what am I doing wrong?
[21:30] <MrWise> guntbert; so is the setup ignoring my command line input? :S or maybe it's hanging on something that's directly after that
[21:30] <MrWise> help file says fb=false
[21:31] <MrWise> so it should be right
[21:31] <godzirra> Even sudo "euca-run-instances -k mykey emi-E11E1088" gives me "not enough resources"
[21:31] <godzirra> oops.  Quote in the wrong place.
[21:32] <MrWise> is there any way I can install ubuntu server from within windows? or could I perhaps put the harddrive in another computer, install ubuntu and then put it back?
[21:32] <bjor> Just format and fresh install it
[21:32] <guntbert> MrWise: I just checked, it still activates a vga16fb, but I don't know why or how to prevent that
[21:33] <MrWise> bjor; so you think it's the windows install on this harddrive that's causing these problems?
[21:33] <EtienneG> repost from #eucalyptus, in case someone has a clue:
 Q.: in 1.6.2 (UEC), does the NC honor the VNET_PRIVINTERFACE configuration?  Ie, can you have the SC listen on PUBINTERFACE for registration and communication with Walrus, but serve EBS volume on PRIVINTERFACE?
 I am talking about a standalone SC, CC service is running on another machin
[21:34] <bjor> mrWise: I am not sure of your problem but formatting usually solves alot of problems with Windows ;)
[21:34] <MrWise> I have no problem with windows though
[21:35] <MrWise> it installed fine, it boots fine
[21:35] <MrWise> it's ubuntu that I'm having problems with, bjor
[21:35] <bjor> What is the problem
[21:36] <MrWise> bjor; system hangs shortly after the message [    1.867660] Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 80x30
[21:36] <bjor> no idea what that is lol
[21:36] <MrWise> lol!
[21:36] <bjor> Google it, otherwise I have no idea
[21:36] <bjor> Gunna have to do some webcrawling
[21:39] <bjor> format it
[21:39] <bjor> Just reinstall it
[21:39] <habanany> ##windows
[21:39] <guntbert> bjor: please don't give random "advice"
[21:40] <guntbert> habanany: type /join ##windows
[21:40] <bjor> I wouldn't say it is random advice, if you waste more than 30 minutes troubleshooting an issue that most likely can be solved by a format
[21:41] <MrWise> it is random advice as it's not related to the issue
[21:41] <bjor> Throw a frisbee at your computer, it might fix it.
[21:41] <bjor> That is random.
[21:41] <MrWise> that's just as random
[21:42] <MrWise> in this specific instance
[21:43] <bjor> Where a format could actually fix it, I am just trying to help you solve the problem in the quickest way
[21:43] <MrWise> a lot of things could fix it
[21:43] <MrWise> a LOT of things
[21:43] <MrWise> there are many things I would try that have actual explanations behind them, before I try those with none
[21:47] <godzirra> Hrm.  Its not showing my nodes when I do "euca_conf --list-nodes".  Why would it not show up?  If I manually do "sudo euca_conf --deregister-nodes <IP_ADDRESS>" it deregisters just fine.
[21:47] <Undeon> Hey guys. I'm having a weired problem with my squid.. My server has 2 NICs, static IP. From server, I can access the internet without problem... And I can ping the client too.. But the client can't access the internet...
[21:48] <guntbert> Undeon: the client browser is configured to use tha proxy?
[21:49] <Undeon> guntbert: Well... I've tryied with configuration and without by using "transparent" on the squid.conf
[21:51] <guntbert> Undeon: I never used transparent, so no idea, what error do you get when you try with configuration?
[21:53] <Undeon> guntbert: It appears that the client can't "understand" that the server are a proxy server... The IE8 says "connectivity lost or site offline or DNS not accessible, typo error" etc...
[21:54] <guntbert> Undeon: in IE deselect "friendly error messages" - so that you get the real error and see if it comes from your squid, are you certain that the port is correct?
[21:58] <godzirra> If I have a cluster and a node, why does euca-describe-availability-zones verbose still show only 1/1/2/2/4 for cpus, and all of my free/max  slots are listed as 0?
[21:58] <godzirra> euca_conf --list-nodes/cluster show both the node and cluster
[21:58] <Undeon> guntbert: I've deselected "friendly error messages", but still showing the same error page... And I'm certain about the configuration on port
[22:02] <guntbert> Undeon: it really seems that you client doesn't know about the proxy, try the following (on command line) : telnet <yourproxy> <yourport>  -- if it connects the page stays black, then type get http://some.url, you *should get an answer from squid
[22:02] <MrWise> the threads I'm reading seems to suggest it has something to do with my graphics card being an ATi radeon card (onboard)
[22:02] <guntbert> *your client
[22:02] <MrWise> anyone have any experience with this problem then?
[22:05] <MrWise> like
[22:06] <MrWise> can I slipstream the proprietary drivers for the graphics card into the install maybe?
[22:07] <Undeon> guntbert: He cant connect... "It's impossible to open conection with host on port 3128: Connection failed
[22:08] <godzirra> Bleh.  I'm getting ready to scrap this all and start completely over.
[22:09] <godzirra> I don't know what I'm doing wrong because I don't understand most of what I'm doing =p
[22:09] <wieshka> QUESTION: is there way how to migrate from debian 5 to ubuntu 8.04. yes, i know, it is old version already, but i have specific software. Running virtual host
[22:09] <wieshka> lat night stupid questions ... :)
[22:09] <godzirra> Can anyone recommend a good howto?
[22:10] <e_t_> godzirra: a good howto for doing what?
[22:10] <ScottK> wieshka: Which release code name was Debian 5?
[22:10] <wieshka> lenny
[22:10] <wieshka> if i remmebre correctly
[22:10] <ScottK> Lenny is actually newer than 8.04.
[22:10] <wieshka> aha
[22:10] <wieshka> 8.04 is debian 4 based
[22:10] <wieshka> its mean i need downgradinf
[22:11] <ScottK> In any case, the boot systems are fundamentally different.  The odds of a successful cross-grade between Debian and Ubuntu are low.
[22:11] <ScottK> Sarge -> Dapper was quite doable, but that was the last one.
[22:11] <wieshka> ScottK: it is clean debian 5 install
[22:11] <ScottK> I wouldn't try it.
[22:11] <wieshka> i just ordered today debian 5 64 bit virtual machine
[22:11] <godzirra> e_t_: Setting everything up.  I've installed ubuntu and thought I was close to done setting it up, but now whneever I try and start an instance it tells me I don't have enough resources.
[22:11] <ScottK> I'd reinstall.
[22:12] <wieshka> but in the end - software supports says that they do not provide support for debian
[22:12] <wieshka> 5
[22:12] <wieshka> and i need to migrate ubuntu 8.04
[22:12] <godzirra> ScottK: Was that to me?
[22:12] <ScottK> Why not 10.04?
[22:12] <wieshka> ScottK: i have only access to virtual machine
[22:12] <ScottK> godzirra: No.
[22:12] <godzirra> Oh.  not to me.
[22:12] <ScottK> wieshka: Oh.  I'd run it as Debian then.
[22:12] <wieshka> ScottK: the virtualhost is for zimbra collabration tool network edition only
[22:12] <e_t_> godzirra: What processor? How much RAM? How much hard drive?
[22:13] <wieshka> my mistake is that it checked out open source edition support list
[22:13] <wieshka> there is debian 5
[22:13] <wieshka> yee , cool, better then ubuntu for virtual host
[22:13] <godzirra> e_t_: An old AMD64 with a gig of ram.
[22:13] <godzirra> I may just not have enough ram.
[22:14] <wieshka> but network edition does not have it
[22:14] <godzirra> Although all of my free/max pool listed under euca-describe-availability-zones verbose is listed as 0000
[22:15] <e_t_> godzirra: A gigabyte should be more than sufficient for Ubuntu Server. What are you trying to use the computer for?
[22:19] <jethro_> If I move my server (ubuntu, nginx, mysql, ffmpeg) from 32 bit to 64 bit platform is that going to wreak havoc?
[22:26] <Undeon> Well.. I've solve the problem about the client cant connect... From DOS, I can ping any site, but I cant connect by name (I'm using Google's DNS), and some sites cant conect by IP too.... =(
[22:47] <Undeon> Every time I start my squid, it goes down a few seconds latter... Can anyone help me?
[22:49] <_holmser_> I finally got my postfix server up and running, but my mail keeps getting rejected by spam filters because I have a dynamic IP
[22:50] <lzantal> hi all
[22:50] <_holmser_> how can I set up postfix to route through another smtp server, but still show as coming from my server's email address?
[22:51] <lzantal> Installed ubuntu 9.10 server on raid5 When I boot it I get this error and drop to shell "Alert! /dev/md0 does not exist
[22:51] <T3CHKOMMIE> hey everyone!
[22:52] <T3CHKOMMIE> I was wondering, does webmin work with 10.04 now?
[22:52] <T3CHKOMMIE> im looking for a program that will email me with information/ warnings about the server any ideas?
[22:53] <_holmser_> I was under the impression that webmin didn't like ubuntu's package system.  could be wrong though
[22:53] <_holmser_> you can still install it from source if you want too
[22:53] <T3CHKOMMIE> _holmser_, i was reading that the perl packages it uses are now depricated ?
[22:54] <_holmser_> could be... last time I messed around with webmin was a couple months before 10.04 dropped
[22:56] <T3CHKOMMIE> _holmser_, do you know of something i could run on my server that will email me if i have a crashed program or the server goes down?
[22:57] <T3CHKOMMIE> preffurably something in the repository?
[22:58] <_holmser_> not off the top of my head... although I should really look into that.  there has to be a bunch out there.
[22:58] <_holmser_> I'm leaving work right now, but when I get home I'll google for one
[23:17] <King_of_Metal> hi, I'm following the UEC/CDInstall tutorial on 9.10 but there is no uec-component-listener command. Is this relevant?
[23:19] <SpamapS> mathiaz: ping
[23:30] <Rafael> hgas anybody use livezilla to ftp to ubuntu
[23:46] <Undeon> Every time I start my squid, it goes down a few seconds latter... Can anyone help me?
[23:48] <godzirra> Darnit, e_t_ left.
[23:48] <godzirra> I had to rubn for my kids t-ball game.
[23:51] <therian> hey guys, so i installed 10.04 on a new computer and then installed windows 7 after it, which deleted the boot loader (damn windows) so now i cant get to my ubuntu install. is there an easy way to reinstall the bootloader?
[23:52] <JackTO> hi all
[23:52] <King_of_Metal> therian http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/reinstall-ubuntu-grub-bootloader-after-windows-wipes-it-out/
[23:53] <therian> thanks King_of_Metal idk why i didnt find this with my google search...
[23:54] <King_of_Metal> therian it happens...
[23:54] <JackTO> I got the wierdest thing going on....   for the last 3 days, I'm learning ubuntu server and linux, and 50% of the times i bootup the system after the grub and after fsck run, i get a unreadahead error, and the screen, locks up with a blinking cursor (50% of the time).  Well, I just tried to SSH into the box, and I can perfectly, loin as root not prob, but on ther server screeen its all locked up...  what do
[23:54] <JackTO> is there an easy fix?
[23:55] <therian> can i do it with any livecd or does it have to match the os? aka 10.04 64bit vs 32 bit