[01:23] <Muhammad> Is there a way to install windows in same partition as linux ?
[01:23] <Myrtti> no
[01:23] <Gorgonzola> next silly question... having extracted a new icon to the /usr/share/pixmaps dir, and having selected it from the properties of my firefox shortcut... why does gnome give an error saying it can't find the icon?
[01:23] <f||bber> bob2, Because ive been trying for hours to get this think to work and im still stuck on 640 * 480
[01:23] <PeaceMakr> Muhammad i think dsl does it somehow
[01:24] <Gorgonzola> do i need to logout then back in or something?
[01:24] <nalioth_zZz> Gorgonzola: restart your panel
[01:24] <nalioth_zZz> Gorgonzola: or log out and back in
[01:24] <Myrtti> killall gnome-panel
[01:24] <bob2> f||bber: because you need to add a modeline, presumably
[01:24] <bob2> how would using vesa fix that?
[01:24] <Gorgonzola> thanks guys
[01:24] <aftertaf> f||bber:  did you post xorg.conf to pastebin?
[01:24] <Muhammad> PeaceMakr : can i know how to do it ?
[01:24] <f||bber> bob2, hold on 1 min
[01:24] <Muhammad> description ?
[01:25] <PeaceMakr> Muhammad read up
[01:25] <Muhammad> whats dsl ?
[01:25] <Muhammad> dsl is internet service i think !~
[01:25] <f||bber> aftertaf, will now 1 min
[01:26] <PeaceMakr> Muhammad im talking about dan* small linux
[01:26] <PeaceMakr> dam& even
[01:27] <nalioth_zZz> Muhammad: he's talking about damn small linux
[01:27] <Muhammad> more description please :s
[01:27] <Muhammad> how does it work
[01:27] <Muhammad> and etc etc ..
[01:27] <Myrtti> erm
[01:27] <PeaceMakr> Muhammad i havent a clue, read up on that distro for yourself
[01:27] <Myrtti> you can resize the windows partition
[01:28] <Myrtti> and then on the freed space make a new partition for linux
[01:28] <nalioth_zZz> Muhammad: you can't as far as i know, run windows and linux on the same partition
[01:28] <Muhammad> :(
[01:28] <Muhammad> I dont want to delete ubuntu
[01:28] <Muhammad> and then reinstall it :S
[01:28] <Muhammad> thats a lot of works :s
[01:29] <nalioth_zZz> Muhammad: you didnt ask that question
[01:29] <HrdwrBoB> you can resize ubuntu
[01:29] <bob2> how did you plan to run two different OS's on the same filesystem?
[01:29] <CaiN_SA> lol bob2
[01:29] <Muhammad> how bob ?
[01:29] <CaiN_SA> bob2, rofll
[01:29] <nalioth_zZz> bob2: be kind
[01:29] <CaiN_SA> imagine doze and ubuntu both on ext3 :P
[01:29] <CaiN_SA> whahahhaa
[01:29] <Muhammad> I have 1 partition only !!
[01:29] <CaiN_SA> then resize it
[01:29] <CaiN_SA> and make it smaller
[01:29] <nalioth_zZz> Muhammad: use parted or it's gui frontends g- or qt-
[01:29] <CaiN_SA> and put other os on new one
[01:29] <Muhammad> i want to make it  2 without giving any troubles to linux
[01:30] <bob2> nalioth_zZz: I am, I 'm wondering what Muhammad's plan was
[01:30] <Yagisan> Muhammad why do you need windows ?
[01:30] <Muhammad> I need windows to work with adobe
[01:30] <Muhammad> and marcomedia products
[01:30] <Muhammad> and some web development related work ..
[01:30] <Yagisan> Muhammad vmware :)
[01:30] <Muhammad> because I dont know how wink works .. i am a n00b
[01:30] <bob2> "wink"?
[01:30] <Muhammad> yes winehq :D
[01:30] <aftertaf> ;)
[01:31] <minime-> buy vmware, I tried it and CS2+Capture One worked fine
[01:31] <Yagisan> try vmware for 30 days first
[01:31] <Yagisan> free trial
[01:31] <marcin_ant> hi all
[01:32] <Muhammad> yagisan .. give me a link
[01:32] <Muhammad> to vmware
[01:32] <marcin_ant> could someoneone tell me where can I set default gtk2 theme for gtk apps I want to use without gnome?
[01:32] <Yagisan> Muhammad: http://www.vmware.com
[01:32] <Muhammad> yagisan , are you sure it will work ?
[01:32] <Yagisan> Muhammad you want to give the workstation version a trial
[01:33] <Yagisan> I run windows in vmware
[01:33] <bob2> marcin_ant: install gtk-theme-switch, run switch2
[01:33] <Muhammad> yagisan you mean you run windows in linux ??
[01:33] <Muhammad> or you run windows products in linux
[01:33] <Yagisan> Muhammad: or if you fell up to it, there is a windows in qemu howto on ubuntuforums
[01:34] <Yagisan> Muhammad: vmware lets you run windows under linux
[01:34] <Muhammad> how big is that software ?
[01:35] <Yagisan> Muhammad: about 50MB last time I checked. I'm off to dinner now, be back soon
[01:35] <bob2> I'm not sure vmware is really a solution for Muhammad
[01:35] <Yagisan> just something to try
[01:35] <bob2> since a) it requires some skill to install, b) costs money and c) may be too slow to be usable
[01:35] <Muhammad> bob2  , can you tell me how to work with wink
[01:35] <Muhammad> I have installed wink
[01:35] <bob2> you mean "wine"
[01:35] <Muhammad> but now what to do to run adobe and marcomedia ?
[01:35] <Muhammad> yup wine
[01:35] <bob2> wine won't run those programs reliably
[01:36] <Muhammad> okay
[01:36] <bob2> unless appdb.codeweavers.com says something different
[01:36] <Myrtti> indeed
[01:36] <marcin_ant> bob2, thanks - pretty nice tool
[01:36] <Myrtti> the question is, what are you trying to do with adobe and macromedia products
[01:36] <Muhammad> can you tell me how can i make two partitions from one partition ?
[01:36] <marcin_ant> bob2, and as I can see it creates .gtkrc-2.0
[01:36] <Muhammad> Myrtti : I am a web developer , and need to work with them !
[01:36] <bob2> Muhammad: reinstall windows
[01:36] <marcin_ant> bob2, so now I got everything I needed
[01:37] <bob2> marcin_ant: nuke the ubuntu partition, make two in it's place, leave one alone
[01:37] <Myrtti> Muhammad: so am I and I haven't needed their products in two years!
[01:37] <bob2> then reinstall ubuntu
[01:37] <Muhammad> thats a lot of work :s
[01:37] <Muhammad> any short way ?
[01:37] <Muhammad> myrtti : what do you use then ?
[01:37] <bob2> Muhammad: it's the simplest
[01:38] <Muhammad> hmm
[01:38] <Myrtti> Gimp, Screem/Bluefish, Sodipodi, nano, sftp
[01:38] <Myrtti> what else...
[01:38] <Myrtti> Openoffice to make pdfs
[01:38] <marcin_ant> Muhammad, well I must say that I need some windows apps to and I did this in this way
[01:39] <Muhammad> which way marcin_ant .. with using alternatives ?
[01:39] <marcin_ant> Muhammad, I bought LCD monitor with VGA and DVI inputs
[01:39] <Muhammad> so what is relation with my question ?
[01:39] <PeaceMakr> have you guys seen the ad for ntfs for linux, $70 lol
[01:39] <marcin_ant> Muhammad, and a little switch on this monitor and then I connected my linux box to dvi input
[01:40] <Muhammad> i am confused :s
[01:40] <Muhammad> i know abt gimp
[01:40] <Muhammad> what is screem/bluefish
[01:40] <marcin_ant> Muhammad, and I found some old parts (PIII 600/256/60GB) and created second 'workstation' from these parts
[01:40] <Muhammad> sodipodi
[01:40] <Muhammad> nano
[01:40] <Myrtti> HTML-editor
[01:40] <Muhammad> sftp
[01:40] <HrdwrBoB> bob2: oswd.net
[01:40] <Myrtti> Screem and Bluefish are HTML-editors
[01:40] <Myrtti> if you need wysiwyg, then use NVU
[01:40] <marcin_ant> Muhammad, connected this to my VGA input and installed windows on this with software I really really need
[01:41] <bob2> HrdwrBoB: ssshh, everyone will recognise who I stole from
[01:41] <HrdwrBoB> heheh
[01:41] <Myrtti> Sodipodi is a vector graphics program
[01:41] <Myrtti> nano text editor
[01:41] <Myrtti> sftp console sftp client
[01:41] <Myrtti> gftp GUI ftp client
[01:41] <osfameron> how does inkscape compare to sodipodi?
[01:41] <dazvid> has anyone here successfully installed hl2 on their linux box?
[01:41] <marcin_ant> Muhammad, and in this way I can use both - linux and win - ane because I got much faster machine as linux box then I use linux almost exclusively
[01:41] <dazvid> hl2 = halflife 2
[01:42] <Muhammad> ok marcin
[01:42] <aftertaf> ubotu:  equivalents is A decent list of linux equivalents and analogues can be found here: http://linuxshop.ru/linuxbegin/win-lin-soft-en/table.shtml#1
[01:42] <ubotu> okay, aftertaf
[01:42] <bob2> osfameron: they're forks of the same thing
[01:42] <Muhammad> myrtti download link please
[01:42] <marcin_ant> Muhammad, but if I need to write something or test in win proprietary format then I still have it
[01:42] <osfameron> bob2: ah :-)
[01:42] <Myrtti> osfameron: haven't reallly looked into it, Sodipodi was available on linux so I knew how to use it before switching to linux 100%
[01:43] <Myrtti> Muhammad: almost everything is either already installed on Ubuntu or is available thru synaptic
[01:43] <osfameron> I thought most designers used Mac rather than Win - or is that just print designers?  I remember Freehand/Pagemaker etc. being slightly better in Mac incarnations when I played with them at uni
[01:43] <marcin_ant> Muhammad, but I think that after all you will find that the only tools you need on windows box and you don't have on linux are Macromedia Flash and propably Photoshop/Photopaint things
[01:43] <Myrtti> available on windows rather
[01:44] <Muhammad> okay
[01:44] <Muhammad> gimp is installed
[01:44] <Myrtti> and Macromedia Flash is the Spawn of Evil
[01:44] <Muhammad> openoffice is inastalled
[01:44] <osfameron> and openoffice is the spawn of the spawn of evil :-)
[01:44] <Muhammad> just these two are installed ... what else ?
[01:44] <Myrtti> sodipodi
[01:44] <Muhammad> what are the download links ?
[01:45] <marcin_ant> Myrtti, sure but if you are webdeveloper than you in fact don't have choice
[01:45] <Muhammad> there is no sodipodi
[01:45] <PeaceMakr> most ppl dont need an 'office' suit
[01:45] <marcin_ant> Muhammad, install inkscape
[01:45] <Myrtti> or both
[01:45] <Muhammad> whats inkscape ?
[01:45] <PeaceMakr> i can make typos in the cheapest word processor
[01:45] <marcin_ant> Muhammad, it's new incarnation of sodipodi
[01:45] <aftertaf> Muhammad:  have you done anything with synaptic yet?
[01:46] <Myrtti> he obviously hasn't
[01:46] <Muhammad> yes , java and wik
[01:46] <Muhammad> java and wine
[01:47] <endy_x> both nice drinks :)
[01:48] <marcin_ant> endy_x, I agree with java but I'm not so sure about wine
[01:48] <endy_x> heh i have a real cheap bottle of red wine in the kitchen so i think i will agree with you and leave the wine alone :)
[01:49] <endy_x> it looks nasty :S
[01:49] <PeaceMakr> a nice glass of wine with a good meal ah the joys of life lol
[01:49] <aitor> anybody now why the fans of my ubuntu.laptop are always off?
[01:49] <scumbo> qt2, no worries.  Have fun.
[01:49] <reiki> ok... off to work I go.....
[01:50] <Muhammad> so links ?
[01:50] <qt2> \o/
[01:50] <Myrtti> Muhammad: run synaptic
[01:50] <marcin_ant> Muhammad, what links?
[01:50] <Myrtti> do a search
[01:50] <Muhammad> okay
[01:50] <Myrtti> install
[01:50] <Muhammad> then ?
[01:51] <Muhammad> OKay
[01:51] <Myrtti> /me goes and buys more alphabet fridge magnets
[01:51] <Muhammad> First I have to get links , like when i install wine and java .. i did the linking things in repostiry
[01:51] <marcin_ant> Muhammad, you are right - then ubuntu sucks....
[01:52] <qt2> woah, looks like a bunch of new software updates hit the servers. ;)
[01:52] <marcin_ant> Muhammad, because you propably then need to log out and log in again into gnome session to see these apps in menu
[01:52] <aftertaf> kde??
[01:52] <aitor> nobody?
[01:52] <Muhammad> okay
[01:52] <Myrtti> marcin_ant: killall gnome-panel
[01:52] <qt2> bunch of kde stuff, a few libs, and some apache stuff.
[01:52] <marcin_ant> Myrtti, ok - it still sucks ;)
[01:52] <njan> killall humans
[01:52] <njan> :P
[01:53] <Muhammad> I will google up the things ..
[01:53] <Muhammad> and wait for some professional people
[01:53] <osfameron> ah, sodipodi is rather maclike with its floating toolbars..
[01:53] <marcin_ant> Muhammad, well you don't need to google
[01:53] <marcin_ant> Muhammad, www.inkscape.org
[01:53] <osfameron> but inkscape is available from synaptic, no?
[01:53] <qt2> sodipodi?
[01:54] <Myrtti> yes it is
[01:54] <Myrtti> so Muhammad doesn't need any links to download it from
[01:54] <Muhammad> okay let me synpatic
[01:54] <endy_x> you can use the autopackage for recent releases of inkscape
[01:54] <f||bber> bob2, aftertaf - heres my xorg.conf, Its a fresh install and I cant get off 640 * 480, if you can help me out it would be much appreciated, Ill buy you both pints! http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1988
[01:54] <marcin_ant> Muhammad, synaptic not synpatic
[01:54] <Muhammad> inkscape is better
[01:55] <Muhammad> yep synaptic
[01:55] <Renski> hey njan
[01:55] <chrisbudden14> anyone had any installing issues with deer park alpha 2 on ubuntu
[01:55] <bob2> f||bber: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[01:55] <f||bber> bob2, Ive gone through that to no avail
[01:56] <Muhammad> can't see inkscape things with synaptic
[01:56] <marcin_ant> Myrtti, hehe killall gnome-panel really really sucks ;)
[01:56] <bob2> f||bber: to no avail = ?
[01:56] <f||bber> bob2, When I insert the two lines for HorizSync & VertRefresh, I then reboot and monitor just says canno display
[01:56] <Muhammad> deb http://honk.physik.uni-konstanz.de/~wolfi/inkscape sarge/
[01:56] <marcin_ant> Myrtti, it respawned but notification area is empty
[01:56] <aftertaf> Muhammad:  noooooooo
[01:56] <Myrtti> marcin_ant: so?
[01:56] <aftertaf> not sarge!
[01:56] <bob2> f||bber: er, don't reboot
[01:57] <bob2> f||bber: and put up your ddcprobe output
[01:57] <marcin_ant> Myrtti, so it is bug - don't you think?
[01:57] <Myrtti> marcin_ant: what should be there?
[01:57] <aftertaf> Muhammad:  enable all repos in the sources.list, and add multiverse to each line that has universe
[01:57] <Muhammad> Then aftertaf ?
[01:57] <Myrtti> reload
[01:58] <aftertaf> !tell Muhammad about repos
[01:58] <f||bber> bob2, Im a relative noob when it comes to config, ddcprobe?
[01:58] <bob2> f||bber: you say you followed that page
[01:58] <marcin_ant> Myrtti, before killall there was beagle icon and ggadu and skype and netapplet thing
[01:58] <bob2> f||bber: read it again
[01:59] <njan> yo Renski
[01:59] <njan> Renski, you touched mssql 2k5?
[01:59] <Myrtti> marcin_ant: they've prolly been running kinda inside gnome-panel, and restarting it hasn't restarted those
[01:59] <Renski> nope
[01:59] <njan> Renski, you suck.
[01:59] <Renski> lol
[01:59] <njan> 0:)
[01:59] <Renski> I dont have time to beta test for microsoft
[01:59] <marcin_ant> Myrtti, well maybe - but for me it is a bug
[02:00] <Muhammad> i dont understand :s
[02:00] <Renski> I start an OU course next month towards a Sc (Honours)  Computing and Mathematical Sciences
[02:00] <njan> Renski, nice :)
[02:00] <bob2> Muhammad: then you need to explain which bit you don't understand
[02:00] <Renski> *BSc
[02:00] <njan> Renski, what're you aiming for? moving somewhere else?
[02:00] <Riyonuk> How do I conenct to the internet with ubuntu?
[02:00] <bob2> Riyonuk: be a lot more specific
[02:00] <marcin_ant> Myrtti, but I'm not sure what is worst - that I need to killall gnome-panel to add something to menu or that after killall notification area is empty ;)
[02:00] <Muhammad> how to install new apps
[02:00] <njan> Renski, or just doing it for general interest / in order to be 133t? :P
[02:00] <bob2> Muhammad: come back when you have ubuntu installed
[02:01] <Renski> I dont want to do business crap all my life, id like to move into something a little more...academic
[02:01] <Riyonuk> like with dial-up
[02:01] <Riyonuk> theres like no option
[02:01] <njan> Renski, :)
[02:01] <Renski> + gereral intrest
[02:01] <Renski> and extra cash
[02:01] <f||bber> bob2, Oh yeah sorry the monitorrange, I got that when I did it
[02:01] <njan> Renski, come join the wonderful world of consultancy ... :P
[02:01] <Muhammad> i am on ubuntu :s
[02:01] <Renski> lol
[02:02] <Myrtti> fgs.
[02:02] <marcin_ant> Muhammad, ok then step by step howto
[02:02] <bob2> f||bber: and the output is where?
[02:02] <marcin_ant> Myrtti, go to System -> Administration -> Synaptic
[02:02] <Renski> Muhammad: im on redhat, suse, ubuntu, mandrake, mandriva, FreeBSD, NetBSD, and some weird distro invented by a hosting company.
[02:02] <marcin_ant> Myrtti, sorry
[02:02] <Myrtti> np
[02:02] <bob2> Riyonuk: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DialupModemHowto
[02:02] <marcin_ant> Muhammad, go to System -> Administration -> Synaptic
[02:03] <bob2> Riyonuk: that really wasn't linked from the FAQ?
[02:03] <marcin_ant> Muhammad, input your password and then you got synaptic window
[02:03] <PeaceMakr> oh my, is there a iburstsetup howto?
[02:03] <bob2> PeaceMakr: google really had nothing to say?
[02:03] <bob2> and the modem really has no documentation, AT ALL?
[02:04] <sorush20> its been a  few months I've not been able to access thunderbird as the default user I've tried removing the lock in which case I can choose the default profile form the profile manager but thunderbird will not load, I have also tried to shut down thunderbird fully but it is no use
[02:04] <marcin_ant> Muhammad, then scroll through window and find inkscape - or Ctrl+F and find inkscape
[02:04] <marcin_ant> Muhammad, and then
[02:04] <PeaceMakr> bob2 nope
[02:04] <bob2> PeaceMakr: dude, seriously
[02:04] <marcin_ant> Muhammad, right click on inkscape and mark to installation
[02:04] <f||bber> bob2, output in terminal, the Horiz & vert
[02:04] <tenco> same problem again with hotplug after reboot:
[02:04] <PeaceMakr> bob2 i lie, it has a few things to say, iburst driver in the works
[02:04] <tenco> martin@lotophag:~$ pgrep hotplug |wc -l
[02:04] <tenco> 495
[02:04] <marcin_ant> Muhammad, and then click apply on synaptic toolbar
[02:04] <Riyonuk> oh thanks
[02:04] <bob2> PeaceMakr: he very first hits on google for "ubuntu iburst howto" explain how to do it
[02:05] <Muhammad> inkscape:
[02:05] <Muhammad>   Depends: libc6 (>=2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is to be installed
[02:05] <Muhammad>   Depends: libfontconfig1 (>=2.3.0) but 2.2.3-4ubuntu7 is to be installed
[02:05] <Muhammad>  Depends: libglibmm-2.4-1 (>=2.6.1) but it is not installable
[02:05] <Muhammad>  Depends: libgtkmm-2.4-1  but it is not installable
[02:05] <Muhammad>  Depends: libsigc++-2.0-0 (>=2.0.2) but it is not installable
[02:05] <bob2> f||bber: I'm really tryign to get you to show them to me
[02:05] <Muhammad> thats what i get when i click mark for installation
[02:05] <Myrtti> arrrrhrhrh
[02:05] <aftertaf> Muhammad:  dont paste!!
[02:05] <njan> * [Muhammad]  (n=root@<IP_ADDRESS>): Muhammad Haris
[02:05] <njan> ouch.
[02:05] <Riyonuk> and u guys really need to replace the ok thingies at startup with like ubuntu loading screen
[02:05] <bob2> Riyonuk: a) pointless, b) already done
[02:05] <HrdwrBoB> Riyonuk: next version will have that
[02:06] <Lokadin> hey
[02:06] <marcin_ant> Muhammad, well then Houston we got a problem
[02:06] <PeaceMakr> bob2 did you look at the post?
[02:06] <tenco> this results from mount/umount of an usb-stick and letting it in the usb-port after the last umount
[02:06] <Myrtti> did you kick him?
[02:06] <marcin_ant> Muhammad, cancel this
[02:06] <tenco> martin@lotophag:~$ pgrep hotplug |wc -l
[02:06] <tenco> 523
[02:06] <Riyonuk> ok
[02:06] <marcin_ant> Muhammad, and try to refresh your repos first
[02:06] <tenco> and growing!
[02:06] <aftertaf> use pastebin, a web site -- or #flood, an irc channel
[02:06] <Lokadin> say i was wondering if there was anything in ubuntu that could manage init services
[02:06] <f||bber> bob2, Output: monitorrange: 31-80, 56-75
[02:06] <Riyonuk> Will I automaticlly get the next version in mail?
[02:06] <marcin_ant> Muhammad, click refresh button on synaptic toolbar
[02:06] <bob2> PeaceMakr: yes, and it explained how to run it
[02:06] <bob2> Riyonuk: no
[02:06] <Riyonuk> And also, can I help with anything graphic related or ad related?
[02:07] <sorush20> I can't load openoffice 1.1
[02:07] <marcin_ant> btw who else thinks that synaptic UI sucks and is absolutely non intuitive?
[02:07] <sorush20> can someone help it just hangs.
[02:07] <bob2> marcin_ant: if you have constructive suggestions, please file bugs
[02:07] <bob2> marcin_ant: I'm sure mvo would love to hear
[02:07] <aftertaf> marcin_ant:  you get to learn it....
[02:07] <HrdwrBoB> marcin_ant: this is why synaptic has been improved and gnome-app-install is now used
[02:07] <bob2> Muhammad: you can speak in here again
[02:07] <tenco> i need help, please! this hotplug madness is driving me nuts!
[02:07] <marcin_ant> as we can see with Muhammad example it's ui is confusing
[02:07] <Lokadin> as in something that would manage boot services...
[02:07] <bob2> Muhammad: that error means someone messed up your /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:08] <bob2> Lokadin: BUM already does that
[02:08] <Sav^> ANyone with an Acer TM 8101WLMi and knows hot to get wifi and battery-status working?
[02:08] <Sav^> hot, how
[02:08] <Muhammad> okay
[02:08] <marcin_ant> and in fact he is afair 3-th person I need to tell how to use synaptic
[02:08] <bob2> Sav^: you already searched the wiki and linux-laptop.net, I assume?
[02:08] <PeaceMakr> bob2 im sorry to be a nag, can you show me the specific link?
[02:08] <bob2> PeaceMakr: did you actually try google at all?
[02:08] <Muhammad> I will fix it up myself
[02:08] <tenco> is there a ubuntu development channel?
[02:08] <bob2> PeaceMakr: http://www.mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?s=a0191f21502954b80108dda968a07f8f&p=290452#post290452
[02:08] <PeaceMakr> bob2 yes, found my question/posts
[02:08] <bob2> tenco: yes, but your question is not approriate for there
[02:08] <Sav^> bob2 i followed a howto on the forum and updated the kernel and all as it said, but still nothing.
[02:09] <bob2> ha ha forums
[02:09] <f||bber> bob2, Did you get those outputs?
[02:09] <bob2> f||bber: yes
[02:09] <Sav^> bob2: got the sound working =)
[02:09] <tenco> bob2: so, what should i do then?
[02:09] <marcin_ant> bob2, my suggestion is absolutely simple - replace right click (to open context menu) with left click
[02:09] <bob2> marcin_ant: that would be fuckign annoying
[02:09] <Xappe> still no usplash for ppc?
[02:09] <tenco> -> 556
[02:09] <bob2> marcin_ant: you're welcome to file a minor bug if you care, tho
[02:09] <Lokadin> bob2 whats bum?
[02:10] <bob2> tenco: no idea.  where is your post on the ubuntu-user list?  google said nothing?
[02:10] <Lokadin> bob2, and how do i use it?
[02:10] <sorush20> is there a way to get hardware manufacurers to include drivers and modules for the kernel....
[02:10] <Muhammad> is there a problem if i log in with root /
[02:10] <bob2> if only someone indexed websites
[02:10] <bob2> Muhammad: yes, don't do it
[02:10] <wickedpuppy> is it ok to rename /boot/kernel* to vmlinuz ?
[02:10] <Muhammad> ?
[02:10] <sorush20> is someone working on it
[02:10] <marcin_ant> bob2, well then just put big "install now" button on toolbar :D
[02:10] <bob2> marcin_ant: then file a bug if you think that would help
[02:10] <bob2> ranting on irc benefits no one
[02:10] <aftertaf> Muhammad:  use the "sudo" command in front of other commands for root-type behaviour
[02:11] <Yagisan> Muhammad please don't log on as root
[02:11] <Sav^> bob2: any ideas then how?
[02:11] <Yagisan> Muhammad if you make a mistake, or typo you can break your Ubuntu
[02:11] <bob2> Lokadin: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=42129
[02:11] <Lokadin> bob2, thanx
[02:11] <bob2> Sav^: noting in either of those palces I suggested?
[02:11] <bob2> sorush20: that would be of no use
[02:11] <marcin_ant> bob2, to be honest I think that much better idea is to replace synaptic with something simmilar to add/remove programs (from win32)
[02:11] <Flying-Penguin> How do you skip up to the bootloader installation part on the installation disc?
[02:11] <bob2> sorush20: they need to contribute drivers upstream to linus
[02:11] <marcin_ant> bob2, and leave apt-get as alternative for power users
[02:12] <bob2> Flying-Penguin: export install, but why?
[02:12] <f||bber> bob2, Ive written to those files the output for HorizSync and VertRefresh, should I reboot the box?
[02:12] <dazvid> marcin_ant, there is an add/remove programs...
[02:12] <bob2> marcin_ant: that would be dumb, and there's already gnome-app-installer
[02:12] <marcin_ant> bob2, but it's just my opinion
[02:12] <bob2> f||bber: no, if you're rebooting to fix X, youre doing something terribly wrong
[02:12] <dazvid> marcin_ant, go into Applications > System Tools > add/remove programs
[02:12] <Yagisan> Hey guys/girls, anyone here set up Ubuntu as a print server ?
[02:12] <marcin_ant> dazvid, yes I know
[02:12] <sorush20> bob2: what do you mean upstream
[02:12] <bob2> Yagisan: best to just ask your question
[02:12] <wickedpuppy> marcin_ant, the only reason i use ubuntu is because of synaptic .... pls save it :P
[02:12] <bob2> sorush20: as in Linux Torvalds
[02:12] <bob2> sorush20: shipping linux drivers with the hardware is pointless
[02:13] <f||bber> bob2, Ok well what do I do test this ?
[02:13] <bob2> f||bber: sudo invoke-rc.d gdm restart
[02:13] <marcin_ant> wickedpuppy, synaptic is just front-end to apt nothing else
[02:13] <bob2> as is any sane program installation tool
[02:13] <marcin_ant> wickedpuppy, anyway it is nice but it can be really confusing for newbies
[02:13] <tenco> bob2: i dont read ubuntu-users and google says nothing
[02:13] <Sav^> bob2: nope, only thing i found is this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=46536&highlight=8103 . And i did all of that and only got the sound working
[02:13] <bob2> throwing away apt is ridiculous
[02:13] <bob2> tenco: then post to it
[02:14] <tenco> bob2: post? i thought it was a mailing-list?
[02:14] <bob2> tenco: ...
[02:14] <tenco> bob2: so its a usenet-group?
[02:14] <f||bber> bob2, I did that now I get a terminal login
[02:14] <Myrtti> goar.
[02:15] <Yagisan> bob2: just did :) From memory I think Ubuntu's cups was modifed to not run as a network accessable print system. I ask because I would like to confirm
[02:15] <aftertaf> marcin_ant:  anything can be easily confiduing for newbies..... we can't baby sit them though.... not that much.
[02:15] <Flying-Penguin> bob2, I need to install the grub bootloader, how do I do export install?
[02:15] <bob2> tenco: no, it's a mailing list
[02:15] <aftertaf> i mean, they have to put in a minimum of grey matter or they'll never get anywhere with linux.
[02:15] <Muhammad> linux.softpedia.com is that helpful ?
[02:15] <bob2> Flying-Penguin: then X is misconfigured
[02:15] <bob2> Flying-Penguin: what? grub is the default.
[02:15] <bob2> Yagisan: no, that's incorrect
[02:16] <bob2> marcin_ant: no
[02:16] <bob2> bah
[02:16] <bob2> Muhammad: no
[02:16] <Flying-Penguin> bob2, I know I installed windows on a second partitoin and it ovverit the bootloader
[02:16] <tenco> bob2: ok, i will try. after reboot. ^-^
[02:16] <bob2> Flying-Penguin: why don't you tell us what your actual goal is?
[02:16] <bob2> Flying-Penguin: is "I'd like to reinstall grub"?
[02:16] <Flying-Penguin> bob2, yes
[02:16] <marcin_ant> aftertaf, I don't agree with you but it's just my opinion
[02:16] <f||bber> bob2, should I login to tty1 and startx?
[02:16] <marcin_ant> aftertaf, it depends on target
[02:17] <Muhammad> ok , then from where i can get apps for linux ?
[02:17] <Yagisan> bob2: Good to know. Have any experience setting it cups up with Ubuntu ?
[02:17] <bob2> f||bber: that's not going to work, either
[02:17] <bob2> Muhammad: you use synaptic
[02:17] <bob2> Yagisan: yes
[02:17] <Flying-Penguin> bob2, I would like to reinstall grub, sorry I was inspecific
[02:17] <Yagisan> bob2: any pitfalls I should look out for ?
[02:17] <marcin_ant> aftertaf, if you want to provide linux desktop for all - and target is 'everyone' then you have to provide something for 'dumb' users too
[02:18] <narnian> Flying-Penguin: grub-install
[02:18] <Muhammad> synaptic provides everything ?
[02:18] <bob2> Flying-Penguin: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[02:18] <aftertaf> Muhammad:  there is a system on ubuntu called apt. Synaptic is a graphical program that uses apt. Apt connects to servers that are in its repository list
[02:18] <PeaceMakr> it is recommended to install windows before linux, im sure there is a good reason
[02:18] <bob2> Flying-Penguin: in future, ask your specific question up front
[02:18] <bob2> Muhammad: basically, yes
[02:18] <Sav^> bob2: any ideas, other then tthe links? iv been struggeling this for 2 days now and only gfx and sound woring...
[02:18] <marcin_ant> aftertaf, personally I don't care - my favourite tool is ion3 and emacs and I don't like all these sweet candy gnome/kde things
[02:18] <bob2> PeaceMakr: yes, because otherwise windows will kill your bootloader
[02:18] <ccfiel> hello ppl.. i have a problem.. i run an application it just restart ubuntu after that i can not login. an error occured.. "you have log out 10 seconds blah blah.." what's shall i do?
[02:18] <bob2> Sav^: is it too late to return it?
[02:18] <Muhammad> okay
[02:18] <Muhammad> what i've to do to updated synpatic ?
[02:18] <Sav^> bob2: the laptop? well yes =)
[02:18] <PeaceMakr> bob2 yes so i thought
[02:18] <marcin_ant> aftertaf, but I also have customers and I try to replace windows with ubuntu on their desktops
[02:18] <f||bber> bob2, well what do you reccommend now then? shall I login and see what error are spewed at me?
[02:18] <bob2> ccfiel: and what on earth did you install to make that happen?
[02:19] <bob2> f||bber: no, look at /var/log/X.org.log
[02:19] <bob2> anyway, bye all
[02:19] <bob2> anyone who has asked their question more than once should have posted to the mailing list by now
[02:19] <catfox> any comments on the speed in breezy? for me, hoary booted faster than Fedora 4, but the overall feel of the system was snappier in FC4. whats breezy like?
[02:19] <marcin_ant> aftertaf, and these users are for example 40-50 yr old managers used to windows/office/excel things.. they don't have will and time to learn things they don't need
[02:19] <ccfiel> bob2: i just run gnome-ppp when i disconnect. it just restart ubuntu. and i can not login with the x win it something about session..what shall i do?
[02:20] <aftertaf> if someone is lost with Zin, then they sholdn't have linux in front of them and be left alone with it.....
[02:20] <PeaceMakr> bob2 ill post my question there again
[02:20] <marcin_ant> aftertaf, sometimes it is not their choice
[02:21] <aftertaf> ______everyone, can we keep talk in this channel more or less down to problem resolution??______
[02:21] <ccfiel> bob2: the system advince me to go to session in terminal and fix the problem. but i dont know what to fix.
[02:21] <aftertaf> same goes for me...
[02:21] <narnian> ccfiel: does the machine continually reboot
[02:21] <ccfiel> narnian: no it does not after i enter my user name and password. a message box will appear
[02:21] <narnian> ccfiel: got to a console sesstion and you will might need to remove your gnome session stuff
[02:22] <bmd-palm> are they any known issues with ubuntu that restart your computer randomly ?  I having a problem in that area...  Ususally when accessing cdrom0
[02:22] <narnian> ccfiel: what message?
[02:22] <ccfiel> narnian: where can i find gnome session stuff?
[02:23] <Flying-Penguin> bob2, It says I will need to know my current kernel, how do I figure this out?
[02:23] <aftertaf> marcin_ant:  in that case they don't need linux.
[02:23] <narnian> ccfiel: what message are you getting exactly
[02:24] <Yagisan> Flying-Penguin uname -r
[02:24] <ccfiel> narnian: " Your session only lasted less than 10 seconds. If you have not logged out
[02:24] <Lokadin> say can anyone tell me how to shutdown my X server?
[02:24] <aftertaf> Lokadin:  shutdown and reboot auto?  If you have not logged out yourself, this could
[02:24] <ccfiel> mean there is some installation problem or that
[02:24] <ccfiel> you may be out of disk space. Try logging in with one of the failsafe sessions to see if you can fix this problem
[02:24] <Paradoxx> hmm, what video editing s/w do you all recommend?
[02:24] <sorush20> do I really need bonobo
[02:25] <Lokadin> But then it simply starts back up again
[02:25] <bob2> Lokadin: please don't tell us you're reading some bullshit instructions for installing nvidia drivers
[02:25] <dazvid> Paradoxx, I just downloaded kino.. check it out
[02:25] <codomaniac> hehe bob2
[02:25] <bob2> if so, wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:25] <bob2> and ignore the forums
[02:25] <bob2> and nvidia.com
[02:25] <narnian> ccfiel: ok before you login , choose the session menu and failsafe
[02:25] <Lokadin> no i'm not, i just want to use textmode and not have an X server running
[02:25] <bob2> sudo invoke-rc.d gdm stop
[02:25] <sorush20> bob2: why is it point less and didn't you used to be an oporator
[02:25] <ccfiel> narnian: ok. what shall i do next?
[02:25] <marcin_ant> aftertaf, in the real world it is very often that your employer want's to reduce cost
[02:25] <Lokadin> bob2, thanks
[02:26] <Paradoxx> dazvid: is it hard to learn?
[02:26] <aftertaf> marcin_ant:  you dont know me, or what i am like. WHo are you to speak to anybody you don't know anything ?
[02:26] <codomaniac> bob2, btw i figured my installation didnt have kernel src.
[02:26] <bob2> sorush20: it's pointless because it means the user needs to compile it, and it means the driver will be shit
[02:26] <codomaniac> bob2, so where to look for it.
[02:26] <bob2> sorush20: if it's in the mainline kernel, you just plug it in and the hardware works
[02:26] <dazvid> Paradoxx, it has a GUI, so it should be pretty simple ;)
[02:26] <bob2> codomaniac: why do you want the kernel source?
[02:26] <marcin_ant> aftertaf, and voila you get brand new laptop for your work but suprise - no windows - just ubuntu and open office
[02:26] <bob2> sorush20: and yes, I am an a channel operator
[02:26] <codomaniac> bob2, to see and play around with it.
[02:26] <Paradoxx> dazvid: hehe, lol
[02:27] <bob2> codomaniac: apt-cache search linux
[02:27] <bob2> -source
[02:27] <marcin_ant> aftertaf, then stop to talk like 'linux guru' from dark ages ;)
[02:27] <codomaniac> bob2, thanks :)
[02:27] <Paradoxx> dazvid: kk, i'll give it a look then
[02:27] <marcin_ant> aftertaf, sorry anyway
[02:27] <f||bber> bob2, Would it help if I post my Xorg.0.log, will you look at it?
[02:27] <bob2> f||bber: no,sorry, ask on the mailing list
[02:27] <bob2> f||bber: if that doesn't work, file a bug
[02:27] <Lokadin> how do i check battery status in textmode?
[02:27] <marcin_ant> aftertaf, today linux goes on desktops and goes to everyone so it has to be _easy_
[02:27] <aftertaf> i've been on li ux for like a month, i'm MCSE certifiec. don't tell me about being a linux guru.
[02:28] <sorush20> what is the best way of making alll the hardware out there compatible with the kernel..
[02:28] <aftertaf> end of conversation ok? i dont want to get kicked or banned here.
[02:28] <f||bber> bob2, do you reckon there are updates that would help?
[02:28] <marcin_ant> aftertaf, ok
[02:28] <bob2> f||bber: not for hoary
[02:28] <aftertaf> reality is that it isnt easy. That's ALL i'm saying
[02:28] <bob2> sorush20: by getting the manufacturer to send drivers for inclusion in the main kernel
[02:29] <bmd-palm> anyone know of any restart issues with the IDE on a nforce2 board ?  I get random reboots when i read from DVD or CD.
[02:29] <Lokadin> is there any way of checking battery status in textmode ubuntu?
[02:29] <narnian> ccfiel: after you login - bring up a terminal
[02:29] <hypn0> i had to install v4l to get usb webcam working, works in gnomemeeting, but now theres no video or sound using totem/mplayer/rhythembox, is there an easy fix
[02:29] <bob2> Lokadin: acpi -V
[02:29] <Lokadin> bob2: thanks :D
[02:29] <narnian> ccfiel: then you will need to type "cat .xsession-errors" and tell me the output
[02:29] <bob2> bmd-palm: nforce2 ide seems to be pretty famously crap
[02:29] <nlogax> is there a breezy channel folks?
[02:29] <bob2> bmd-palm: booting with noapic or nolapic might help
[02:29] <bob2> nlogax: here
[02:29] <bmd-palm> damnit...
[02:29] <bmd-palm> i need a new mobo then..
[02:29] <narnian> ccfiel: it should give you an idea what is failing at startup
[02:30] <nlogax> ok.  I can't get Breezy Colony 4 to install - I more wanted to fed back to the distro maintainers
[02:30] <bob2> nlogax: then follow up to the mailing list post about, or file bugs on problems you find
[02:30] <nlogax> it fails on attempting to install initrd-tools every time
[02:30] <nlogax> ok - where's the mailing list?
[02:31] <bob2> nlogax: lists.ubuntu.com
[02:31] <nlogax> ta
[02:31] <ccfiel> narnian: could not read /home/kelly/.ICEauthority
[02:31] <bmd-palm> what should i do if i wanted to swap out mother boards ?  should i configeru anything ? or just start fresh ?
[02:31] <bmd-palm> (i apologize for my crappy typing. I'm on my LifeDrive at college)
[02:31] <bob2> bmd-palm: just make sure you plug it all back in correctly
[02:31] <narnian> ccfiel: looks like you have the same problem as this guy http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/349729
[02:32] <bmd-palm> thanks bob2
[02:32] <bmd-palm> i'll just have to find a good mobo now
[02:32] <bob2> those things will probably work...
[02:32] <narnian> ccfiel: type "sudo chown kelly .ICEauthority"
[02:32] <dooglus> just out of interest, does "sysv-rc-conf" work for anyone in Breezy?
[02:32] <bmd-palm> any suggestions ?  i have a k7 chip
[02:32] <bob2> I wouldn't go shopping for something potentially trivial
[02:33] <bmd-palm> well i've been meaning to upgrade anyway
[02:33] <Lokadin> can anyone point me to a framebuffer howto in ubuntu?
[02:33] <Lokadin> sorry i'm assking so many questions
[02:33] <Lokadin> :S
[02:33] <narnian> ccfiel: "ls -L .ICEauthority" should show that you are now the owner again
[02:33] <codomaniac> Lokadin, use ubotu
[02:33] <Myrtti> !restricted
[02:33] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:34] <codomaniac> !framebuffer
[02:34] <ubotu> codomaniac: No idea
[02:34] <bob2> ompaul_: apt-cache search ssh server
[02:34] <dooglus> would a breezy tester please try this for me?     sudo urpmi sysv-rc-conf && sudo sysv-rc-conf     it fails for me.
[02:34] <ccfiel> narnian: thanks i will do that! :)
[02:34] <ccfiel> narnian: i think that is the answer
[02:35] <bob2> dooglus: ... urpmi is not in ubuntu
[02:35] <sorush20> Lokadin: how do you mean framebuffer
[02:35] <narnian> ccfiel: then login again and you should be OK
[02:35] <dooglus> bob2, sorry, it's an alias I use...
[02:35] <narnian> ccfiel: the problem is finding what is causing this
[02:35] <dooglus> (for 'apt-get install')
[02:35] <bob2> dooglus: if it doesn't work for you, file a bug
[02:35] <dooglus> (I'm a refugee from mandrake)
[02:35] <Lokadin> sorush20: as in i want a better resolution maybe 1024x768 in the framebuffer thats all i really want
[02:35] <dooglus> bob2: I don't think anyone takes any notice of the bug reports.
[02:35] <bmd-palm> mandrake.....
[02:36] <bob2> dooglus: er
[02:36] <bmd-palm> i had so many issues with it
[02:36] <bob2> no
[02:36] <Lokadin> codomaniac: :s no mention of frame buffer
[02:36] <codomaniac> Lokadin, use google.
[02:36] <ccfiel> narnian: i think its about the sudo thing
[02:36] <sorush20> Lokadin: shouldn't your graphics card support the resolution and your monitor
[02:36] <Lokadin> codomaniac: ubuntu and framebuffer don't point to anything related
[02:36] <dooglus> bob2: I filed the bug report several months ago.
[02:36] <bob2> dooglus: bug #?
[02:37] <ccfiel> narnian: in my opion. i remember i run the application using sudo. after i click the button ubuntu restart
[02:37] <narnian> ccfiel: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=76675#post76675
[02:37] <codomaniac> Lokadin, have your tried the ubuntu wiki ?
[02:37] <dooglus> bob2: can I search for it?
[02:37] <ccfiel> narnian: i think it change the ownershop of the file
[02:37] <sorush20> Lokadin: yes I get the same message
[02:37] <bob2> dooglus: yes
[02:37] <narnian> ccfiel: when you are in sudo it is probably best not to launch a graphical program
[02:37] <narnian> ccfiel: use gksudo, then launch the program
[02:38] <narnian> ccfiel: you shouldn't need to run gnome-ppp as sudo anyways
[02:38] <feugan3333> Hi all. Is it possible to write a shell script that will export environment variables to the shell that runs the script?
[02:38] <codomaniac> Lokadin, i havent enabled framebuffer for nvdia so i am sorry
[02:38] <bob2> feugan3333: nope
[02:39] <sorush20> is there a way of threading the IRC chat
[02:39] <vanberge> bob2, dont you ever sleep?
[02:39] <bmd-palm> heh
[02:39] <vanberge> :-)
[02:39] <bob2> not enough :|
[02:39] <bmd-palm> good luck in threading irc chhat...
[02:39] <codomaniac> bob2, i think you need some sleep :)
[02:39] <feugan3333> bob2: Ok, well how do the startup scripts manage it? eg .bashrc
[02:40] <ccfiel> narnian: i need to run gnome-ppp because when i used regular user i have a permision denied in my /dev/ttySHS0 i think
[02:40] <vanberge> ive always just used X chat... what irc client does the ubuntu world use?  (former redhat/fedora user)
[02:40] <Lokadin> codomaniac: kk i have ati though
[02:40] <dooglus> bob2: I can't work out how to search for bugs :(
[02:40] <codomaniac> Lokadin, okay wait
[02:40] <bob2> feugan3333: because they're not run, they're sourced
[02:40] <bob2> vanberge: irssi-text
[02:40] <Myrtti> vanberge: I use irssi, some use xchat, some use chatzilla...
[02:40] <codomaniac> Lokadin, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557
[02:40] <bmd-palm> sorush20: some irc clients can put a line break in discussions.  its not the greatest but it helps
[02:41] <vanberge> irssi, is that the one that runs in a term window?
[02:41] <m0rphx> hi
[02:41] <Lokadin> codomaniac: no mention of framebuffer in ubuntu wiki
[02:41] <ompaul_> and some use ircii with a command line of irc and others use sirc
[02:41] <Myrtti> vanberge: yep
[02:41] <Myrtti> some use gaim
[02:41] <narnian> ccfiel: then in that case you need to add your name as permitted to access the serial port
[02:41] <Myrtti> use what ever you like
[02:41] <m0rphx> when I mount a windows cdrom all files get uppercase filenames and the program on the cd doesn't work, how can I make them lowercase?
[02:41] <trygvebw> Will removing "gdm" from /etc/init.d block gdm from starting?
[02:41] <sorush20> bmd-palm the problem doesn't sound so difficult to solve..
[02:41] <Lokadin> codomaniac: thanks
[02:42] <feugan3333> bob2: What do you mean by they're sourced?
[02:42] <bob2> feugan3333: this is where you read the bash howto on tldp.org or ask in #bash
[02:42] <narnian> ccfiel: go to the group editor thingy and add yourself to the group "dialout" . you should then be ok
[02:42] <bmd-palm> sorush: maybe.  any solutions i've seen hasn't worked very well.  but if you finde one that works good i'd be very interested..
[02:42] <ccfiel> narnian: ok ill try that. in new in linux. what will i do to have an access with that device?
[02:43] <feugan3333> bob2: Ok thanks for your help.
[02:43] <dooglus> bob2: perhaps if I could just "list my bugs" or something?  I've not raised too many.  Can I do thast?
[02:43] <ccfiel> narnian: ok..ill try that..
[02:44] <bob2> dooglus: yes...
[02:44] <dooglus> bob2: how?
[02:44] <Ng> dooglus: if you have a bugzilla login there's a "my bugs" link at the bottom of most pages
[02:44] <narnian> ccfiel: debian-based  distros like ubuntu like  to create groups for everything. this is a good way to finely control privileges
[02:44] <dooglus> Ng: I don't think they use bugzilla for universe
[02:45] <dooglus> Ng: it's some crappy other system - 'lunchpad' or something?
[02:45] <Ng> dooglus: oh, yeah
[02:45] <Ng> no idea wtf that is
[02:45] <bob2> dooglus: I really don't have time to walk you through bugzilla, sorry
[02:45] <bob2> launchpad.net
[02:45] <vu> Does ubuntu have it's own optimized kernel build just like Fedora?
[02:45] <vanberge> apparently hoary hedgehog was no the version of ubuntu to install!!  :-/
[02:45] <Ng> vu: the default kernel has P4 type optimisations as far as I know
[02:46] <dooglus> bob2: I don't think it is bugzilla.  they use something weird
[02:46] <bob2> wtf
[02:46] <bob2> this is moronic
[02:46] <sorush20> are there developers working round the clock on Ubuntu or not...
[02:46] <bob2> dooglus: "no I do not have time to help you find whatever random bug you filed in bugzilla.  if it was a useful bug report on an important package, it is extremely unlikely it was igored."
[02:46] <bob2> sorush20: yes
[02:46] <bob2> duh
[02:47] <vu> Ng: I see.
[02:47] <PeaceMakr> bob2 werent you going to bed?
[02:47] <bob2> dooglus: "no, ubuntu uses bugzilla for the main section of packages.  launchpad.net is used for the universe section for now"
[02:47] <sorush20> 9-5
[02:47] <bob2> no, I was going to do something useful with my time
[02:47] <dooglus> bob2: the bug report was that libcurses-perl is empty.  it doesn't contain any perl module...
[02:47] <dooglus> bob2: that's quite important, especially if you depend on libcurses-perl
[02:47] <dooglus> bob2: and also quite easy to fix.
[02:48] <bob2> it's in universe
[02:48] <PeaceMakr> bob2 i think you are very usefull here dude, very gifted indeed
[02:48] <bob2> if you didn't file it in launchpad, it will be ignored
[02:48] <sorush20> bob2: so developers are working round the clock on Ubuntu,
[02:48] <Myrtti> <3 bob2
[02:48] <dooglus> bob2: I filed it in lauchpad.
[02:48] <dooglus> #995.
[02:49] <dooglus> it has been assigned a severity of 'major' 2 months ago, "pending upload"...
[02:49] <bob2> sorush20: ...
[02:49] <bob2> sorush20: yes
[02:50] <linuxboy> anybody have a problem with openoffice not starting ?
[02:50] <dooglus> bob2: are you suggesting I should file in it bugzilla too?
[02:50] <aftertaf> linuxboy:  which version?
[02:50] <Whistler> is it possible to skip Verifying archive integrity in *run files?
[02:50] <bob2> dooglus: not at all
[02:50] <PeaceMakr> linukso it starts very slowly
[02:50] <linuxboy> aftertaf: default hoary one
[02:50] <PeaceMakr> oops
[02:51] <PeaceMakr> linuxboy slow
[02:51] <dooglus> bob2: so what is the proper route to get this fixed before breezy gets delivered?
[02:51] <linuxboy> PeaceMakr: no, it starts loading, then stops
[02:51] <sorush20> where is the list of developers in UBuntu
[02:51] <aftertaf> another reason why i use kde not gnome.....
[02:52] <Whistler> is it possible to skip Verifying archive integrity in *run files?
[02:52] <aftertaf> Whistler:  try --help and see if there is an option..
[02:53] <PeaceMakr> linuxboy have you tried something?
[02:53] <linuxboy> PeaceMakr: what ?
[02:53] <PeaceMakr> linuxboy im asking what have you tried so far
[02:54] <linuxboy> oh
[02:54] <linuxboy> it seems to be that LANG or LANGUAGE isn't set correctly for that user
[02:54] <PeaceMakr> guys is there a way to reinstall ONLY openoffice?
[02:55] <linuxboy> PeaceMakr: its not OpenOffice
[02:55] <linuxboy> PeaceMakr: the variable LANG and LANGUAGE are't set correctly on login, and that breaks OOo
[02:55] <Continuity> what do I need to get the kernel source with ubuntu patches applied?
[02:55] <sorush20> should't alternatives to Java and media file types be developed
[02:55] <dooglus> PeaceMakr: "apt-get --reinstall install <whatever>"
[02:56] <PeaceMakr> linuxboy can you fix the language issue?
[02:56] <linuxboy> PeaceMakr: no, I'm not sure how
[02:56] <PeaceMakr> thanks dooglus, linuxboy needs your help
[02:56] <linuxboy> PeaceMakr: I don't need to reinstall OOo!!!
[02:57] <sorush20> you can use graphical user interface to reinstall it..
[02:57] <sorush20> linux boy what do you need to reinstall
[02:57] <linuxboy> sorush20: nothing
[02:57] <PeaceMakr> linuxboy so you dont hae a problem?
[02:57] <PeaceMakr> have
[02:57] <dooglus> sorush20: Microsoft's .NET is an alternative to Java
[02:58] <linuxboy> PeaceMakr: I do. But reinstalling OOo won't fix it
[02:58] <dooglus> sorush20: and there are lots of alternative media file types
[02:58] <narnian> Continuity: apt-get install linux-source
[02:58] <PeaceMakr> linuxboy ok
[02:59] <sorush20> dooglus: I meant opensource
[02:59] <Continuity> narnian: yeah, but how do I get/apply the patch
[03:00] <narnian> Continuity: it comes with the patches applied
[03:00] <sorush20> Continuity: you need to apply a patch to where..
[03:00] <Continuity> nice
[03:01] <sorush20> is an algorithm patentable
[03:01] <Continuity> narnian: thanks, I think it'll work
[03:01] <narnian> Continuity: if you just want the patches "apt-get install linux-patch-ubuntu"
[03:01] <mypapit> sorush20: only trivial one does ;)
[03:01] <mypapit> sorush20: great algorithm are given away..
[03:02] <narnian> Continuity: "apt-cache search kernel | less" is your friend!
[03:02] <sorush20> mypapit: jpeg algorithm is patented right
[03:02] <Continuity> yeah, I already got the kernel-source but I thought I had to apply the patches by hand
[03:03] <mypapit> sorush20: the jpeg-2000 does,
[03:03] <sorush20> Continuity: so yo downloaded the source and you had a dsc file and a diff right.. if that is the case then you don't need to do anything the apt-get command does this for you..
[03:03] <sorush20> mypapit: aren't good algorithms inevitable
[03:04] <Continuity> sorush20: yeah, I think I got it, thanks
[03:04] <sorush20> is there a core linux kernel hacking team I know there is Ubuntu kernel hacking team
[03:04] <DVSoftware> hi
[03:05] <sorush20> DVSoftware: hi
[03:05] <DVSoftware> has anyone succeded to run xmame or xmess on 64bit ubuntu?
[03:05] <DVSoftware> i just get:
[03:05] <DVSoftware> error: compiled byte ordering doesn't match machine byte ordering
[03:05] <DVSoftware> are you sure you choose the right arch?
[03:05] <DVSoftware> compiled for msb-first, are you sure you choose the right cpu in makefile.unix
[03:06] <DVSoftware> sorry for paste :S
[03:11] <kevor> Trying to mount an Iso file, keeps giving me an error
[03:12] <kevor> $ sudo mount file.iso destdir/ -o loop -t iso9660
[03:12] <kevor> this should be working, but it's not
[03:12] <kevor> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop6,
[03:12] <kevor>        missing codepage or other error
[03:14] <reiki_work> ok... this is sick. I come to work where I have to use a WinXP desktop machine and I sit here MISSING MY UBUNTU! :)
[03:15] <sorush20> DVSoftware: do you have multiply processor
[03:15] <ColonelKernel> hwo do I make my /whois results show up in the active window instead of the server window?
[03:15] <DVSoftware> sorush20: i have amd athlon 64 processor
[03:15] <gorilla> ColonelKernel, that's your client program that does that..
[03:16] <ColonelKernel> gorilla, I am using xchat
[03:16] <sorush20> is it multiporcessor
[03:16] <ColonelKernel> and I know its the client program I just cant find it anywhere
[03:16] <ColonelKernel> yeah - its SMP
[03:16] <DVSoftware> sorush20: nope
[03:16] <DVSoftware> it's not smp
[03:16] <ColonelKernel> I have a p4 2.6
[03:17] <sorush20> well you should not compile for msb
[03:17] <gorilla> ColonelKernel, I'm not sure... perhaps someone else can assist?
[03:17] <DVSoftware> sorush20: i didn't compiled it
[03:17] <ColonelKernel> :(
[03:17] <DVSoftware> just installed from synaptic
[03:17] <DVSoftware> !info xmame
[03:17] <DVSoftware> hm
[03:18] <Hoxzer> How I can enable mp3 support in AMD64 ubuntu
[03:18] <sorush20> DVSoftware: do you have xmame common and tools
[03:18] <Hoxzer> there is no gstreamer0.8-mad for it
[03:18] <DVSoftware> yeah
[03:18] <Hoxzer> or VLC player
[03:18] <DVSoftware> i have installed everything xmame
[03:19] <sorush20> what game are you trying to run
[03:19] <DVSoftware> sorush20: any game
[03:19] <DVSoftware> even if i try
[03:19] <DVSoftware> to run it without game
[03:19] <DVSoftware> to see commandline options
[03:19] <DVSoftware> it gives me that error
[03:20] <sorush20> DVSoftware: don't really know how to help your search for the answer is as good as mine but would appreciate if you could drop a line saying what you did to fix it..
[03:21] <DVSoftware> sorush20: i'm trying to compile it now
[03:21] <DVSoftware> it's big son of a bitch
[03:21] <DVSoftware> take a lot time to compile
[03:22] <reiki_work> I have kind of a subjective question... I decided to install Ubuntu to see if there really was a linux-based desktop system that could allow me to escape from Windows for everyday use. Are most of you taking it beyond that? I seem to be working on just getting normal things working normally. Right now the only part that seems a bit "iffy" is sound. Otherwise I'm just about all set as far as...
[03:22] <reiki_work> ...getting things done day-to-day
[03:22] <DrTiger> sourceforge is a bit slow today, ain't it?
[03:23] <^WarCry^> from which country ubuntu send cds of the there system to users from around the world for free ?
[03:23] <^WarCry^> i mean where is ubuntu located  in whicvh country ?
[03:24] <v1ru5> ^WarCry^: why would you care?
[03:24] <^WarCry^> just for knowlegde
[03:25] <DrTiger> just read the website
[03:25] <^WarCry^> i did not find there
[03:25] <DrTiger> then you see your questions is unanswerable
[03:25] <^WarCry^> wil you tell me @ which page at the web
[03:26] <dabaR> reiki_work: what, you need help with sound?
[03:26] <DrTiger> developers, documentators etc are located everywhere on earth.... try to find the contact information of the board.....
[03:26] <^WarCry^> okkkkkk
[03:27] <DrTiger> but I think a South African Entrepreneur started it
[03:27] <reiki_work> dabaR: I think I will need a little help sorting it out, but I'm at work right now and not at my (beloved) Ubuntu machine. If that's an offer to help I will sure appreciate it if you're here when I get home.
[03:27] <samu2> can vlc do real media stuff?
[03:27] <^WarCry^> I m frm pakistan and i get my free cds...so is it a nice system to install
[03:27] <CaiN_SA> DrTiger, who you talking about ?
[03:28] <Bombu> How can I see if my order has been processed? It says to log into shipit, but then I have no idea what to look for.
[03:28] <reiki_work> dabaR: the only thing I seem to be really stuck on is that my microphone doesn't seem to record... even though I can hear it through my speakers (so I know it's actually working)
[03:29] <dabaR> reiki_work: the only thing that dont work for me is microphone, web cam, scanner, wireless on my laptop, and playing dvds...
[03:29] <DrTiger> don't know, just read it someplace a long time ago
[03:29] <reiki_work> dabaR: heheh... your list is longer. :)
[03:29] <^WarCry^> I m frm pakistan and i get my free cds...so is it a nice system to install
[03:29] <dooglus> ^WarCry^: Mark Shuttleworth, a South African entrepreneur, owns Canonical and has been heavily involved in development and naming of Ubuntu Linux.
[03:29] <dabaR> But, then again, I can log in from anywhere I have access to Internet, and use chat programs, do whatever I want, access my files...and so on.
[03:30] <^WarCry^> :)
[03:30] <dabaR> ^WarCry^: no, it sucks, we use it cause we are stupid.
[03:30] <dooglus> ^WarCry^: Canonical, though headquartered in the Isle of Man, has operations throughout Europe, North and South America and Australia.
[03:30] <DrTiger> Shuttleworth, yeah, thats his name
[03:30] <^WarCry^> Strange name...from Shuttle to shut
[03:30] <DrTiger> dabaR: so you did try and update to breezy  ^  ^
[03:31] <^WarCry^> ok guyz thx for help...thx
[03:31] <DVSoftware> hmmm
[03:31] <ccfiel> is it save to update to breezy?
[03:31] <DVSoftware> mame supprots neogeo roms???
[03:31] <DVSoftware> xmame i mean
[03:32] <DVSoftware> ccfiel: it's not
[03:32] <dabaR> DrTiger: yeah, on my other hard drive when colony 3 came out. Could not install the base system, so I gave up.
[03:32] <DVSoftware> as long it's unstable
[03:32] <dooglus> ccfiel: it depends.  my only machine is running breezy, and it's mostly been ok.  i've had about 3 days where I couldn't run GNOME, but otherwise mostly OK
[03:33] <DrTiger> it messed up my system
[03:33] <ccfiel> DVSoftware: when will be the best to update to breezy?
[03:33] <dooglus> ccfiel: it's certainly safer to stay with hoary though
[03:33] <DVSoftware> ccfiel: when it's finished
[03:33] <dabaR> run unstable on one hard disk, and stable on the other, and you will have no down days...
[03:33] <DrTiger> I had to reconfigure my xserver from scratch whch was difficult, as I never had to that for my laptop before...
[03:33] <Kuresu> how do i remove a folder from the desktop through the terminal
[03:33] <DVSoftware> Kuresu:
[03:34] <DrTiger> I have not yet found out how I can get the fglrx drivers....
[03:34] <DVSoftware> cd ~/Desktop
[03:34] <dooglus> dabaR: I run XP on the other for the rare occasion that breezy is broken
[03:34] <DVSoftware> rm -r foldername
[03:34] <Kuresu> ok
[03:34] <dooglus> Kuresu: cd; cd Desktop
[03:34] <DrTiger> dbus is not started as a service automatically anymore....
[03:34] <dooglus> Kuresu: that will take you to the Desktop folder.
[03:34] <Kuresu> thanks
[03:34] <Kuresu> just removed it :D
[03:34] <DVSoftware> DrTiger: is dbus for flash drives?
[03:34] <dooglus> Kuresu: or "cd ~/Desktop"
[03:34] <DrTiger> ..... which makes gnome issue an error every now and then....
[03:35] <samu2> how do you list the amount of files in a dir?
[03:35] <Kuresu> what about the uninstallation of programs
[03:35] <ccfiel> where can we get info what is new in breezy. what can we expect.?
[03:35] <DVSoftware> samu2: you mean size?
[03:35] <DrTiger> DVSoftware: not only for that, but basically it's about software reacting upon events issued by the hardware
[03:35] <samu2> DVSoftware, like msdos dir would do
[03:35] <DVSoftware> samu2: ls
[03:35] <samu2> print out the amount of files listed
[03:35] <DVSoftware> or dir
[03:35] <DVSoftware> ls -hs
[03:35] <dabaR> ccfiel: usual places, wiki, forums, search the  forums for breezy preview or something.
[03:36] <DVSoftware> will print sizes
[03:36] <samu2> number of files
[03:36] <Hoxzer> :)
[03:36] <samu2> not sizes
[03:36] <Hoxzer> yeah
[03:36] <DrTiger> I never succeeded in building a kernel for ubuntu
[03:36] <DVSoftware> DrTiger: that's why i have problems with usb hard drive
[03:36] <Hoxzer> finaly I got mp3's work
[03:36] <Hoxzer> next thing to do is install java
[03:36] <DrTiger> what problems?
[03:36] <DrTiger> start dbus and  plug in the plug
[03:37] <DrTiger> that's all I needed to know....
[03:37] <DVSoftware> DrTiger: i'm using kde, and i can't see drive in storage media
[03:37] <Hoxzer> btw can I make my own ubuntu install (like add mp3 support in istall and stuff like that)
[03:37] <DrTiger> I don't know about kde but I think it should have similar functionality...ask the kde guys
[03:37] <DrTiger> I don't know if they even use dbus
[03:37] <dooglus> samu2: try "du -h ."
[03:38] <dooglus> samu2: that will tell you the usage of the current directory and its contents
[03:38] <Whistler> is gtk+ aviable on apt-get?
[03:38] <Snark> Whistler: !?
[03:38] <dooglus> samu2: or "du -hs ." if you don't want it broken down
[03:38] <Whistler> i wanna create gtk+ apps
[03:38] <Hoxzer> what is the newest version of java for ubuntu?
[03:38] <Whistler> so i need to have gtk installed
[03:38] <DVSoftware> Whistler: it is
[03:39] <samu2> dooglus, but that only gives you the size of the files. not tell me how many files there are in the dir.
[03:39] <Whistler> anybody knows the name of it?
[03:39] <Snark> Whistler: apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev
[03:39] <dooglus> samu2: do you want to know about subdirectories too?
[03:39] <samu2> dooglus, nope
[03:39] <dooglus> samu2: you can "ls | wc -l"
[03:39] <samu2> not recursive
[03:39] <dooglus> samu2: "wc -l" is "word count lines"
[03:39] <dabaR> 1.5 same as for anything else, Hoxzer.
[03:39] <dooglus> it will tell you how many lines 'ls' printed
[03:39] <Whistler> Snark thx
[03:39] <samu2> isnt that a bit of a long way around to do it?
[03:40] <dooglus> (and 'ls' will put one file on each line when it sees that you're piping its output somewhere)
[03:40] <dooglus> samu2: you could make a shell function to do it if you like.
[03:40] <samu2> cant ls just do it for me?
[03:40] <DVSoftware> samu2: you'll love piping when you get used to it
[03:40] <DVSoftware> it's powerful thing
[03:40] <dabaR> samu2: what are you trying to do exactly? list number of files in a directory?
[03:41] <Hoxzer> dabar: is that for AMD64 version?
[03:41] <samu2> yeah, thats what i want to know
[03:41] <dabaR> Hoxzer: probably not, but try.
[03:41] <dabaR> samu2: including, or not hidden files?
[03:41] <samu2> that pipe thing will do it. i was just surprised there wasnt an already existing command or an option to ls to do it.
[03:41] <Hoxzer> dabar: :(
[03:41] <dabaR> Hoxzer: you give up to easy, like me...
[03:41] <dabaR> Hoxzer: you never tried yet...
[03:42] <DVSoftware> :( xmame takes ages to compile
[03:42] <DVSoftware> :S
[03:42] <Hoxzer> Need java for azureus what I use to download mp3 :) bittornado is doing fine when I download movies and series
[03:43] <Bombu> How can I see if my order has been processed? It says to log into shipit, but then I have no idea what to look for.
[03:43] <Hoxzer> dabar: I tried to search it with synaptic  :D
[03:43] <DVSoftware> finaly
[03:43] <DVSoftware> xmame works now
[03:43] <dooglus> samu2: ls doesn't add up file sizes or count files.
[03:44] <dooglus> samu2: ls just lists files
[03:44] <DVSoftware> but...
[03:44] <dooglus> samu2: a basic principal of UNIX is to give you lots of small tools which fit together.
[03:44] <dabaR> modularity
[03:44] <dooglus> if you want to count files, you have "ls" to list the files and "wc" to count them
[03:45] <Goshawk> hi
[03:45] <dooglus> DVSoftware: that's a blast from the past :)  is mame still going?
[03:45] <DVSoftware> http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/1989
[03:45] <DVSoftware> take a look
[03:45] <DVSoftware> what i get now
[03:45] <Goshawk> a question come atop of my brain... why this #ubuntu-unregged?
[03:45] <aftertaf> botwars :)
[03:45] <samu2> yeah, but unix programs usually have tons of flags to let you do certain stuff in an easier quicker way
[03:46] <dooglus> samu2: if you want to do it in a single unix command, I recommend the "perl" command.  that can do anything.
[03:46] <dabaR> true, but UNIX administration is a topic of many books.
[03:47] <dabaR> my point being that most things can be done, some in an obvious way, some in a less so.
[03:49] <ompaul> Goshawk, and the long version is that the week before last a bot attack started and was sustained - it essentially broke the usability of the channel
[03:49] <Suschman> hehe
[03:49] <Suschman> javascript: window.close()
[03:49] <Suschman> http://roboter-gallery.de/albums/userpics/schule.jpg
[03:49] <adjacent> most in a less than obvious way. but... we are getting better at standardization
[03:51] <samu2> what dir are you supposed to install programs in again?
[03:51] <adjacent> samu2: let apt handle that for you
[03:51] <dabaR> samu2: how are you installing programs?
[03:51] <samu2> cant apt realplayer
[03:51] <samu2> or can you?
[03:51] <samu2> i think last time i checked you couldnt
[03:51] <X7C> samu2 cant apt realplayer z<<< gotta download ti from it's site
[03:52] <X7C> and there's a install script for it which you can apt-get
[03:52] <Goshawk> ompaul, but... maybe there is a problem because i use xchat and i'm identificated at each log-in by xchat itself, this means that i should go here when i start xchat.. really this does not  happen. i'm redirected to #ubuntu-unreggend. maybe the check if a user is registered or not should be done after 10 seconds... or not?
[03:52] <X7C> dunno in which repositories thoug...
[03:53] <adjacent> samu2: probably something like checkinstall -D is safest, but /usr/local is a good spot for userspace programs
[03:53] <dabaR> there is a page on the wiki to show how to install the real player.
[03:53] <samu2> checkinstall command not found
[03:53] <dabaR> I made ubotu send him the link.
[03:55] <X7C> www.ubuntuguide.org
[03:55] <X7C> i think there's a how to ond realplayer
[03:56] <X7C> :p
[03:56] <X7C> it's for the install script
[03:56] <X7C> you have to download the bins first
[03:58] <Goshawk> is there a way to configure sshd to accept only root login?
[03:59] <dabaR> Goshawk: that is a strange thing to want. Usually I never log in as root to my sshd. Also Ubuntu uses sudo... wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[04:00] <Goshawk> dabaR, yes you are right, but what i'm configuring is a debian server
[04:01] <ompaul> Goshawk, use your nickserv password as the server password and you will get in here
[04:01] <ompaul> Goshawk, what do you want to do when you get to the debian box?
[04:01] <Goshawk> ompaul, i've filled the nickserv password
[04:02] <typo_> in a few minutes my hoary -> breezy upgrade download will be finished
[04:02] <dabaR> typo_: see ya.
[04:02] <typo_> any horrible bugs in there right now, that might convince me to stop ? :)
[04:02] <Goshawk> ompaul, i've just asked if someone here knows how to set sshd to accept only one user
[04:02] <samu2> X7C, i managed to apt-get realplayer after all. it was in the extras.
[04:02] <dabaR> samu2: sure was...
[04:03] <ompaul> Goshawk, and with the same password also the server box
[04:03] <dabaR> Goshawk: have you tried reading the config file, it may have nice comments, and such.
[04:04] <ompaul> Goshawk, [xchat]  and with the same password also the server box
[04:04] <dabaR> Goshawk: also, there is a #debian, you likely know, ask there as well.
[04:04] <Goshawk> ompaul, ok thanks filed the password thing
[04:04] <ompaul> they might not like the idea of root logging in - I know I don't :)
[04:05] <Goshawk> dabaR, sure... i'll ask there
[04:05] <Goshawk> ompaul, yes root login is bad but it's needed when you have to manage multiple users on your remote server... :D
[04:05] <Hoxzer> what could be the problem if I VLC mediaplayer cannot play sounds
[04:05] <Hoxzer> in movies or in mp3
[04:05] <bretzel> hello - I want ot configure my joysticks ( one stick and one gamepad ) ... cannot find the tool for that in ubuntu
[04:06] <Hoxzer> it plays them but I can't hear anything
[04:06] <typo_> check the mixer..
[04:07] <samu2> hmm, the realplayer i apt-get wont run...
[04:08] <elvirolo> hi all
[04:09] <elvirolo> what's the name of the package which provides the X.org includes again ?
[04:10] <dabaR> elvirolo: I do not think that is answerable, but tell us more, and we'll see.
[04:11] <elvirolo> dabaR: well ... the X development package...
[04:11] <dabaR> did you search synaptic? or aptitude search?
[04:11] <elvirolo> yes
[04:11] <Ralil> Hello, how can i put a command line at the start of ubuntu and not at the start of a session (sorry for bad english) thanks :)
[04:13] <dabaR> Ralil: you want to run some commands as your computer is starting up?
[04:15] <elvirolo> well, i went on #debian and had the answer in exactly two seconds
[04:15] <Vaske_Car> what was the answer
[04:16] <elvirolo> xlibs-dev
[04:16] <Vaske_Car> What is the diference between Ubuntu and Debian?
[04:18] <X7C> samu2 X7C, i managed to apt-get realplayer after all. it was in the extras. << but that's only the install script
[04:18] <dabaR> elvirolo: good for you.
[04:18] <elvirolo> Ubuntu is *based* on Debian
[04:18] <X7C> you also have to download the binaries from real player's site
[04:18] <elvirolo> dabaR: yes, indeed, there's nothing against you
[04:18] <X7C> gotta run now
[04:18] <X7C> see ya all
[04:18] <dabaR> elvirolo: off course.
[04:18] <samu2> X7C, nope it downloaded the whole ting
[04:18] <DjKritical> sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts <-- I've got the universe repository setup... and this doesn't work?
[04:19] <elvirolo> dabaR: well i don't care what you think anyway
[04:19] <dabaR> bah.
[04:19] <Nermal> Vaske_Car, faster release cycle
[04:19] <dabaR> Vaske_Car: to quote an op here and on #debian, bob2, the main difference is that ubuntu uses sudo by default. also, to give you some moer information...ubuntu triess to have newer apops, with that release ccyle.
[04:20] <Nermal> generally meant to be a bit more userfriendly
[04:20] <AlexMBas> does anyone here uses Xen?
[04:20] <dabaR> Vaske_Car: ubuntu is newer, and has a much smaller community,
[04:20] <Vaske_Car> thanks
[04:21] <Vaske_Car> Is it possible to access NFS via Windows?
[04:21] <osfameron> ubuntu is also founded and funded by the first space tourist, which is kind of cool :-)
[04:22] <DaMi3n> Ntfs or Nfs??
[04:22] <Vaske_Car> nfs
[04:22] <windex> Vaske_Car, there are some commerical drives to do just that
[04:23] <windex> err, drivers
[04:23] <dabaR> w00t.
[04:23] <Vaske_Car> whats going on
[04:23] <windex> Vaske_Car, or you can use services for unix, 3.5, from microsoft.
[04:23] <windex> Vaske_Car, i think its free(?)
[04:23] <Vaske_Car> to many people disconnected at the same time
[04:23] <windex> it was a netsplit
[04:23] <dabaR> Vaske_Car: its called a netsplit, some server dies.
[04:23] <windex> see?
[04:24] <Vaske_Car> ok
[04:24] <typo_> osfameron: canonical is thinking about in-orbit manufacturing plants
[04:24] <Vaske_Car> also is there a channel for SystemRescueCd
[04:24] <Vaske_Car> ?
[04:25] <Vaske_Car> or closer: is there a channel for partimage ?
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[04:27] <fabbione> elmo: /l
[04:28] <davmor2> why will totem gstreamer not play a live feed .asx file where as totem xine will?  And why won't totem xine play mpeg file but totem gstreamer will?
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[04:44] <emacsen> My users (many of them) complain that the keyboard becomes unusable after a while
[04:45] <emacsen> they're typing along, PS/2 or USB keyboard (no difference) and suddenly, keyboard stops working
[04:45] <emacsen> mouse still works, but they can't click on anything. but yes, it's SSH able
[04:45] <emacsen> ooops
[04:58] <hvv> hello
[04:58] <hvv> any life here
[05:03] <token41> hi everyone i got a small question not relly relied with pc. can i say in english: i havent seen a film i liked best? is it gramatically correct?
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[05:04] (No1Viking/#ubuntu) !tell me about SSL
[05:05] (fizzle/#ubuntu) i like ubuntu heh
[05:05] (znh/#ubuntu) Fred|Fr3d, ok
[05:05] (fizzle/#ubuntu) just needa get some more ram
[05:05] (znh/#ubuntu) anyways.. for some weird reason I can't install mp3 decoders..
[05:05] (fizzle/#ubuntu) then my computer will run smooth
[05:05] (znh/#ubuntu) It says it's components are not installable
[05:06] <No1Viking> Damn. I try to compilate gftp to support SSL (not SSH), but no luck. What do I do wrong?
[05:06] <sorush20> znh: are you using xmms..
[05:06] <znh> sorush20, yeah it's installed..
[05:06] <sorush20> No1Viking: do you need to compile can't you really just install from synaptic.
[05:07] <No1Viking> Not to support SSL, as far as I know
[05:07] <sorush20> znh: have a look and see if there are other package that might be relavant.. are you sure you are able to hear sound form your computer..
[05:07] <znh> sorush20, yeah yeah.. it's just fetching madplay and such :/ it's crazy man.. what happend :/
[05:10] <sorush20> No1Viking: are you sure you are not getting anyerrors
[05:10] <No1Viking> sorush20: Nope, I'm not sure....
[05:11] <sorush20> No1Viking: when you configure you usually type ./configure --enable-anoptions
[05:12] <sorush20> No1Viking: have a look at the ./configure -help or ./configure -h
[05:12] <No1Viking> sorush20: And what would the option be?
[05:13] <No1Viking> I tried with SSL
[05:13] <sorush20> No1Viking: is it a valid option or not..
[05:13] <No1Viking> sorush20: That's the information i'm looking for!
[05:14] <sorush20> No1Viking: bare with me..
[05:14] <No1Viking> sorush20: I tried google and here. No luck anywhere  :(
[05:15] <brenner> the forum?
[05:15] <fizzle> ubotu: tell fizzle about nvidia
[05:15] <No1Viking> sorush20: Of course the manual too
[05:15] <No1Viking> brenner: yes, the forum too
[05:16] <brenner> er, you sure gftp can even use ssl?
[05:16] <No1Viking> Some people says it's possible, bob2 for example
[05:17] <davmor2> NoUse that would be okay if it didn't get overridden by the totem app
[05:17] <brenner> well, bob2 is pretty dependable...
[05:19] <No1Viking> Ahhh, found something in the forum at last..... "you need to have openssl and libssl-dev installed on your system to compile gftp with ssl-support"
[05:20] <Myrtti> bob2 awake still? I hope he's gone sleeping, poor thing
[05:20] <sorush20> I think bob2 is not educating us enough..
[05:20] <brenner> heh
[05:20] <brenner> Myrtti: why, what'd you do to him? :P
[05:22] <fizzle> ubotu: tell fizzle about mplayer
[05:22] <ompaul> No1Viking, have you looked at sftp as a possible solution?
[05:24] <No1Viking> ompaul: Nope, havent
[05:24] <othernoob> what's the gnome equivalent to kmix? gmix?
[05:26] <noddaba> has there been any work, or any projects, to get Ubuntu to boot off a USB drive?
[05:28] <brenner> othernoob: is kmix some sort of volume controller?  or is it more than that?
[05:28] <brenner> noddaba: i've heard talk of this before...search the wiki & forum
[05:28] <othernoob> brenner: volume control and controls for your soundcard
[05:29] <noddaba> brenner, thanks
[05:30] <davmor2> anybody got any advice on how to go about writing a good bug report.  Remembering I'm a relative new comer to linux and have never attempted to write one.
[05:31] <brenner> othernoob: dunno really,...i''ve never had a good enough sound card to care. :)  gnome does have a vol control in the apps menu though.....and from the recommended tweaks for sound probs i've seen, most people use alsamixer (?)
[05:31] <brenner> davmor2: read the other ones for examples maybe?
[05:34] <sorush20> sftp -- secure file transfer program
[05:34] <adapt> is there an ubuntu ppc chanell?
[05:35] <khermans> how do i get Java on an AMD64 machine?
[05:35] <sorush20> davmor2: go to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/participate/document_view and scroll down to the reporting a bug..
[05:36] <brenner> sorush20: nice find
[05:36] <sorush20> brenner: thanks..
[05:37] <Hoxzer> :/ what mp3 player of linux can open .cue?
[05:37] <sorush20> khermans: go to here and have look http://www.java.com/en/download/manual.jsp
[05:37] <sorush20> as far as I know .cue is and image file.. you have to mount it.
[05:37] <brenner> are cues even audio files?
[05:37] <khermans> sorush20, i was there -- but is there a package in Ubuntu or Debian repos?
[05:38] <Hoxzer> can somebody help me to install java to AMD64 ubuntu because wiki manual seems not work
[05:38] <khermans> Hoxzer, i have same prob
[05:38] <sorush20> khermans:  have you tried the normal package form shown here on the ubuntuguide.org
[05:38] <brenner> iirc, amd64 and java (among other things) don't really mix
[05:39] <khermans> sorush20, you mean sun-jre15 -- yes?
[05:39] <Kuolio> brenner: hmm i have them mixing just fine :)
[05:39] <theShtorm> is there a gui security level adjustment on ubuntu?  similar to what on redhat linux (to control port access, etc)?
[05:40] <khermans> theShtorm, firestarter
[05:40] <Hoxzer> khermans: so you have amd64 version of ubuntu?
[05:40] <theShtorm> thanks, is that a native ubuntu app?
[05:40] <khermans> yea
[05:40] <brenner> Kuolio: really? i'm _sure_ someone sad something about flash and java not working.
[05:40] <khermans> theShtorm, you need to install it first -- it is a gui firewall to maniplate iptables
[05:41] <Kuolio> with ubuntu amd64 all one needs to do to enable javasupport is to add tamir's repos to sources.list, and then apt-get sun-jre1.5
[05:41] <khermans> Kuolio, but you had to install in manually- not from the repos right?
[05:41] <theShtorm> khermans: thanks, i'll give it a shot
[05:41] <Kuolio> it installs from tamirs repos, wich are ubuntu-"unofficial"-amd64 repos, check it out from the forums
[05:41] <khermans> Kuolio, why is amd64 java not official?
[05:42] <Kuolio> umm, tamirs repos are not official
[05:42] <Kuolio> :)
[05:42] <khermans> i know
[05:42] <Kuolio> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=48905
[05:43] <Kuolio> and you can get "native" w32codecs support too, but that you have to install by hand, and gplflash to get partial flashsupport on 64bit
[05:44] <fizzle> hey i need help getting my cdroms to work
[05:44] <fizzle> they were working yesterday but i switched my motherboard/processor and now its not working
[05:45] <fizzle> brb lemme check if my BIOS is detecting them first
[05:46] <jack-> could anyone explain the kickstart thing a bit?
[05:46] <elvirolo> hi all
[05:46] <jack-> that gui kickstart maker is cute, but the package selection is empty except for ubuntu-desktop..
[05:47] <elvirolo> i'd like Xorg to start up with a resolution of 1280x960 but i only get 1024x768 ... here's my xorg.conf : http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1990
[05:48] <brenner> what is with those identifiers? :-/
[05:48] <kbreit> How safe is it to upgrade from Horay to Breezy at this point?
[05:48] <jack-> kbreit: still not recommended for end users
[05:48] <elvirolo> kbreit: didn't work for me
[05:48] <theShtorm> elvirolo: have you tried manually adjusting HorizSync and VertRefresh
[05:48] <elvirolo> if you really want to try breezy, perform a clean install from a CD
[05:48] <kbreit> I don't want to do a clean install.
[05:49] <elvirolo> theShtorm: no i haven't ... good idea :)
[05:49] <elvirolo> kbreit: well, your system (and especially X.org) will be broken
[05:49] <brenner> elvirolo: sudo ddcprobe | grep monitorrange
[05:50] <kbreit> elvirolo, Yeah.
[05:50] <kbreit> jack-, How do the developers expect to get Breezy out in a few weeks when it's still not really upgradable?
[05:50] <jack-> i didnt say its totally unusable
[05:50] <jack-> its just not ready for "users" yet
[05:51] <kbreit> jack-, I know, but it's still not upgradable.
[05:51] <elvirolo> brenner: thx i'll try that
[05:51] <jack-> it is..if you can deal with some dep fiddling and stuff
[05:51] <jack-> its possible
[05:51] <kbreit> jack-, Do you know when Breezy is due out stable?
[05:51] <jack-> i dont _know_
[05:51] <jack-> but i think in 1-2 weeks
[05:51] <elvirolo> jack-: it'll have to be upgradable some time, won't it ?
[05:51] <Kulez> i have a problem installing grub from ubuntu (by hand), it gets messed up (no grub message at all on boot). if i boot with knoppix and use basically the same arguments (adjusted paths) it works, though. any ideas?
[05:51] <kbreit> jack-, It depends on when gnome releases 2.12
[05:52] <jack-> mmh
[05:52] <jack-> lets hope that will happen soon then :)
[05:52] <elvirolo> October 13 ?
[05:53] !lilo:*! Hi all. Hints: with services, server crashes can remove your identification to nickserv, and you may have to reidentify ("/msg nickserv identify yourpasswordhere") by hand in this case. We're working on solutions that will solve that problem, though we're not quite there yet.
[05:53] <kbreit> gnome 2.12 is due today.
[05:53] <pawdro> hello, where I can find gstreamer0.8-lame?
[05:54] <pawdro> in which repository?
[05:54] <brenner> !info gstreamer0.8-lame
[05:54] <jack-> hoary-extras
[05:55] <pawdro> what should I add in sources.list?
[05:55] <pawdro> which link?
[05:55] <HiddenWolf> brenner, try gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse
[05:55] <pawdro> what link*
[05:55] <HiddenWolf> pawdro, add multiverse to the end of the line that says multiverse already.
[05:55] <HiddenWolf> pawdro, universe, sorru
[05:55] <HiddenWolf> s/u/y
[05:56] <pawdro> ;]
[05:56] <jack-> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[05:56] <pawdro> jack thx
[05:56] <brenner> HiddenWolf: eh? i was just trying to get ubotu to work his magic...
[05:56] <larsrohdin> are there problems with the chat again?
[05:56] <brenner> e.g:
[05:56] <brenner> !info gqview
[05:56] <ubotu> gqview: (A simple image viewer using GTK+), section universe/graphics, is optional. Version: 1.4.5-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 611 kB, Installed size: 1912 kB
[05:56] <HiddenWolf> brenner, so piont people to -plugins-multiverse, which installs all multiverse gstreamer codecs
[05:57] <jack-> !info lame
[05:57] <ubotu> lame: (LAME Ain't an MP3 Encoder), section multiverse/sound, is optional. Version: 3.96.1-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 222 kB, Installed size: 620 kB
[05:57] <jack-> nice bot
[05:57] <jack-> !info vlc
[05:57] <ubotu> vlc: (multimedia player for all audio and video formats), section universe/graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8.1-1ubuntu7 (hoary), Packaged size: 4867 kB, Installed size: 11816 kB
[05:57] <brenner> HiddenWolf: he/she asked what repo...i was just trying to find out. :-/
[05:57] <HiddenWolf> :)
[05:57] <HiddenWolf> brenner, multiverse
[05:57] <jack-> brenner: read my line
[05:57] <jack-> its from sources.list
[05:58] <HiddenWolf> universe is legal but unsupported, multiverse is troublesome unsupported stuff.
[05:58] <brenner> yes...i know. :)
[05:58] <HiddenWolf> hoary-extras is plain wrong. :)
[05:58] <jack-> d'oh ;p
[05:58] <jack-> i love it
[05:58] <HiddenWolf> jack-, on your head be it.
[05:58] <elvirolo> my resolution is still 1024x768 :(
[05:58] <jack-> :)
[05:59] <jack-> your choice if you add debian/stable or hoary/extras
[05:59] <brenner> elvirolo: did the command give you your rates?
[05:59] <HiddenWolf> elvirolo, what's the problem?
[05:59] <jack-> wont get vlc otherwise
[05:59] <HiddenWolf> jack-, vlc is in universe, don't need it for that.
[05:59] <elvirolo> brenner: yes, and i modified xorg.conf accordingly
[05:59] <jack-> hmm something else then..divx codec or something
[05:59] <sorush20> ubotu is a bot
[05:59] <brenner> elvirolo: and you restarted X?
[05:59] <ubotu> sorush20: Are you smoking crack?
[05:59] <jack-> dont remember, but i had to enable multiverse
[06:00] <elvirolo> HiddenWolf: i'd like to change my resolution from 1024x768 to 1280x960
[06:00] <elvirolo> brenner: yes
[06:00] <HiddenWolf> elvirolo, did you add 1280x960 as the first in the line in xorg.conf?
[06:00] <elvirolo> HiddenWolf: yes
[06:00] <HiddenWolf> elvirolo, and isn't it in the resolution selection applet?
[06:01] <f||bber> when config NDiswrapper, whats the story when entering in the key, i remember from before something to do with hex, you need to escape it or something?When I try and enter key I get: Error for wireless request Set Encod(8B2A) invalid argument, anyone?
[06:01] <elvirolo> HiddenWolf: actually i use kubuntu
[06:01] <HiddenWolf> elvirolo, are you also sure you added it for the right color dept?
[06:01] <HiddenWolf> IE, it won't do you good to add it to 4 bits if you use 16 or 24.
[06:01] <HiddenWolf> depth, even.
[06:01] <elvirolo> HiddenWolf: oh i see
[06:02] <elvirolo> i'm not sure whether i use 16 or 24 ... i suppose it's 24 bits
[06:02] <HiddenWolf> elvirolo, you can just remove the lines you don't use, just be carefull. :)
[06:02] <brenner> HiddenWolf: he added it to all: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1990
[06:03] <HiddenWolf> brenner, then he'll have to select it somewhere in kubuntu I suppose.
[06:03] <brenner> it _should_ boot automatically into the 1st one listed
[06:03] <elvirolo> brenner: yes it used to
[06:03] <elvirolo> please note that i'm using breezy
[06:03] <HiddenWolf> elvirolo, the screen isn't flickering to black on kdm/gdm startup?
[06:04] <elvirolo> HiddenWolf: if by that you mean it changes resolution at startup, then i don't think so
[06:05] <brenner> elvirolo: i'm guessing you might have gotten a dodgy xorg.conf file....those identifiers are weird....
[06:05] <brenner> try reconfiggint the xorg package
[06:05] <fluffybunny_> help: i know i asked about not being able to su from a terminal the other day, and I was told to sudo instead, but I need to enter root and password in cups and it won't let me
[06:05] <brenner> *reconfigging
[06:05] <HiddenWolf> elvirolo, try to find wherever it is in kde that you can change resolution, else try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:05] <elvirolo> brenner: it's because it's French (with accents)
[06:05] <elvirolo> HiddenWolf: ok thanks
[06:05] <brenner> oh. :)
[06:06] <HiddenWolf> brenner, shame on you for not recognising french
[06:06] <elvirolo> fluffybunny_: you mean in the web based admin tool?
[06:06] <brenner> HiddenWolf: sorry...need to brush up on my ampersands and hashes....
[06:06] <elvirolo> :-D
[06:06] <fluffybunny_> elvirolo: yes
[06:07] <elvirolo> fluffybunny_: it is disabled in ubuntu
[06:07] <elvirolo> fluffybunny_: i used to have the same problem
[06:07] <HiddenWolf> brenner, "Carte vid<crap> can only be french, italian or spanish, really. <crap>ique" marks it as french.
[06:08] <fluffybunny_> elvirolo: oh,,,lucky me, so how can I add a printer?
[06:08] <elvirolo> HiddenWolf: spanish or italian would be "carta"
[06:08] <fluffybunny_> elvirolo: is there a way to enable it?
[06:08] <elvirolo> fluffybunny_: with the gnomen utility ?
[06:08] <HiddenWolf> elvirolo, right you are. :)
[06:08] <elvirolo> fluffybunny_: not that i know of
[06:08] <fluffybunny_> elvirolo: what is the gnomen utility?
[06:09] <fluffybunny_> elvirolo: linux n00b
[06:09] <Lunar_Lamp> ok, i'm sorry here, but i'm going to ask a really n00b question.  I have just used boot and nuke to wipe my laptop - do i need to create boot sectors on the hdd before i can install ubuntu?  Or do i just bung in the cd, and install straight to hdd (i want to install to hdd rather than livecd install)?
[06:09] <znh> hmm I am trying to get the fglrx drivers working, but the log of the installer gives this: [Error]  Kernel Module : No kernel module build environment - please consult readme.
[06:09] <BlueEagle> Is there an ubuntu equivalent to gentoos `emerge -s packagename`?
[06:09] <znh> BlueEagle, apt-cache search packagename
[06:10] <BlueEagle> thanks znh.
[06:10] <znh> welcome
[06:10] <brenner> znh: my guess is you haven't loaded the fglrx module
[06:10] <brenner> znh: what instructions you following?
[06:10] <znh> brenner, I am just trying to run the graphical installer
[06:10] <deFrysk> Lunar_Lamp, let the install disk take care of that , no need to whipe your hd or mbr
[06:10] <Lunar_Lamp> i already have a wiped hard drive :-p
[06:10] <brenner> znh: graphical installer?
[06:11] <znh> brenner, yep.. ATi made one
[06:11] <deFrysk> Lunar_Lamp, installcd will wipe it again ;)
[06:11] <Lunar_Lamp> lol, ok
[06:11] <BlueEagle> znh: That was my next question. When will ubuntu come with a graphical installer so I can start recomending it to starters? :)
[06:11] <Lunar_Lamp> well, hey, seems i wasted an hour waiting for it to wipe then - lol
[06:11] <znh> BlueEagle, ubuntu has already a quite graphical installation :P
[06:12] <BlueEagle> znh: Well, compared to Gentoo it does, but not compared to Mandriva and RedHat/Fedora. :)
[06:13] <znh> BlueEagle, they eat system resources.. those graphical thingys won't work on my 50mhz notebook :D
[06:13] <BlueEagle> ...even though fedora (anaconda) refuses to work when you've got more than 15 partitions...
[06:13] <BlueEagle> znh: They have also got a text-mode alternative.
[06:13] <brenner> BlueEagle: i think (big '?'.  can't really remember ) that i read somewhere on the ubuntu site it probably won't be that soon.
[06:13] <BlueEagle> (which also does not work on fedora with 16+ partitions)
[06:14] <znh> BlueEagle, yeah.. but that one never worked for me (Fedora Core 1/2)
[06:14] <funkyHat> BlueEagle, it's not exactly challenging to use the ubuntu installer :P
[06:14] <BlueEagle> znh: Well the text mode and graphicals both worked when I chopped out the other distros and re-did my partition schemes. Not happy about it though.
[06:15] <BlueEagle> funkyhat: Well, no, but the fact that it's ncurses based puts very many off.
[06:15] <funkyHat> we had someone in here a couple of days ago that had managed to go through the install process, yet couldn't figure out how to use gedit
[06:15] <brenner> funkyHat: how'd he go with the partitioning/bootloader install?
[06:15] <brenner> or she. :)
[06:15] <LasseL> BlueEagle, it isn't exactly easier to install windows .. and that seems to work ok for many people
[06:16] <funkyHat> i don't know. she came on, having successfully installed, with a screen resolution issue
[06:16] <BlueEagle> funkyhat: Well, I would be suprised if not any americans tried ubuntu. </flamebait(bad joke)> ;)
[06:16] <LasseL> BlueEagle, did any americans try windows 2000 ?
[06:17] <funkyHat> no
[06:17] <funkyHat> they all use 98 or XP. duh
[06:17] <LasseL> ah
[06:17] <funkyHat> ;)
[06:17] <LasseL> i only remember the w2k installer, so I used that as example
[06:18] <h17m4n> woot
[06:18] <h17m4n> installed the new ATI drivers
[06:18] <brenner> when did they get released?
[06:18] <h17m4n> glxgears score went from 1300 to 2100
[06:18] <funkyHat> i think the windows XP installer is pretty similar to the ubuntu one, i haven't reinstalled for a while though, and i can't remember
[06:19] <LasseL> h17m4n, nice, where did you get them?
[06:19] <h17m4n> I mean newest
[06:19] <BlueEagle> h17m4n: Ehh.. grats I guess.
[06:19] <h17m4n> 8.16.20 I think
[06:19] <h17m4n> from ati's page
[06:19] <LasseL> ok
[06:19] <LasseL> i'll just duke it out with the current version for now then, if you don't mind :)
[06:19] <h17m4n> let me give you a link
[06:20] <BlueEagle> funkyhat: Don't get me wrong. Ubuntus text installer is very good indeed. It's just that having some eye candy would make it more "cool" for people that still use IE.
[06:20] <h17m4n> I followed this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=122362&postcount=6
[06:20] <h17m4n> the xorg-driver-fglrx is version 8.8.something
[06:20] <h17m4n> too old
[06:20] <funkyHat> true
[06:21] <h17m4n> so with those instructions you could install the latest driver from ati's page
[06:21] <funkyHat> BlueEagle, maybe you could port anaconda over for use on debian systems? ;)
[06:21] <BlueEagle> funkyhat: Well, if I only had the skills I'd do it in a heart beat.
[06:22] <LasseL> funkyHat, i think that project has been in progress for years already
[06:22] <dreameen> is there anything i can do to improve touchpad tapping response in my laptop?
[06:22] <h17m4n> Here's the link to ati's page: https://support.ati.com/ics/support/KBAnswer.asp?questionID=3380
[06:22] <funkyHat> bu-dum
[06:22] <funkyHat> ^there's your heartbeat
[06:22] <funkyHat> ;)
[06:23] <h17m4n> let me see how UT2004 will run now
[06:23] <brenner> dreameen: my guess is maybe there's an xorg.conf option you need to set.
[06:24] <dreameen> brenner, but what...how?
[06:24] <BlueEagle> funkyhat: Oh, I've got the 1337 skill, it's just the coding skills I lack. :op
[06:24] <funkyHat> XD hahaha
[06:24] <brenner> dreameen: searched the forum & wiki for touchpad topics?
[06:25] <dreameen> brenner, im doing it right now
[06:25] <no0tic> on breezy rhythmbox depends on totem-gstreamer, it will be the default?
[06:25] <meta> has anyone got the new user automate script from this thread (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22646) it seems to be down atm
[06:25] <brenner> no0tic: what will?
[06:26] <brenner> totem-gstreamer?
[06:26] <no0tic> brenner: the fact that rhytmbox will depend on totem-gstreamer
[06:26] <no0tic> brenner: on hoary it doens't depend on it
[06:28] <brenner> not sure...but i thought i read gstreamer will be used more predominately in breezy
[06:28] <No1Viking> How to add to ubotu?
[06:28] <brenner> !list
[06:28] <ubotu> [list]  you can see a list of things I know at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[06:28] <Skaja> i still cant get ltmodem to unpackage under ununtu
[06:28] <brenner> No1Viking: take note...if you add inane stuff, the ops get mad
[06:28] <funkyHat> ubotu, No1Viking is someone who doesn't know how to add information to your database
[06:28] <ubotu> okay, funkyHat
[06:29] <meta> did anyone snare a copy of http://download.ubuntuforums.org/ubuntusetup/ubuntusetup.sh before downloads.ubuntu.org went down?
[06:29] <no0tic> brenner: gstreamer is ok, the problem is that I can't remove totem without removing rhythmbox
[06:29] <brenner> No1Viking: funkyHat's add was an example of an inane comment. :)
[06:29] <No1Viking> OK
[06:29] <funkyHat> i was just going to say tyat :)
[06:29] <funkyHat> *that
[06:29] <brenner> funkyHat: i'd remove it if i were you.
[06:29] <meta> !No1Viking
[06:30] <ubotu> [no1viking]  someone who doesn't know how to add information to your database
[06:30] <funkyHat> ubotu, forget No1Viking
[06:30] <ubotu> i forgot no1viking, funkyHat
[06:30] <brenner> no0tic: that _is_ a problem, isn't it? :-/
[06:31] <no0tic> brenner: you don't think so?
[06:31] <sexcopter8000m> hi, in the past i've used latex under windows, but can't identify the packages i need to do latex under ubuntu. can anyone help?
[06:31] <sexcopter8000m> i've sometimes seen tetex, what's that?
[06:31] <brenner> sexcopter8000m: tetex-bin.
[06:32] <sexcopter8000m> brenner: i take it then tetex is what i want :) what's the difference between latex and tetex?
[06:32] <brenner> sexcopter8000m: iirc, latex is an easier to use frontend to tex
[06:32] <brenner> tetex is a latex distribution
[06:32] <Skaja> i still cant get ltmodem to unpackage under ununtu
[06:32] <brenner> iirc
[06:32] <brenner> could be wrong
[06:33] <sorush20> is it possible to develop a program with out bugs..
[06:33] <sexcopter8000m> ok, thanks brenner
[06:35] <HiddenFly> how can i get my michrophone working?
[06:35] <meta> HiddenFly - I'd like to know too, skype detects it, but not gnomemeeting
[06:35] <MrVM> can someone give me a hand with getting ubuntu working with wpa I have tried everything I can find on the web
[06:36] <HiddenFly> i need to use it with teamspeak2 but i cant get sound from the mic
[06:37] <meta> If there is one thing the ubuntu team needs to focus on for the next release, it's sound. Sound has been appauling, everything else is pretty much ten times better than other distros though
[06:37] <Parad0xlites> ello
[06:37] <No1Viking> ubotu, To add SSL support to gftp you need to do the following:
[06:37] <No1Viking> 1. sudo apt-get build-dep gftp
[06:37] <No1Viking> 2. sudo apt-get install openssl
[06:37] <No1Viking> 3. sudo apt-get install libssl-dev
[06:37] <No1Viking> 4. download gftp-2.0.18.tar.gz at http://www.gftp.org/
[06:37] <ubotu> No1Viking: I give up, what is it?
[06:37] <No1Viking> 5. sudo tar xvfz gftp-2.0.18.tar.gz
[06:38] <No1Viking> 6. cd to the newly created directory
[06:38] <Seveas> meta, sound has been improved a lot for breezy
[06:38] <No1Viking> 7. do ./configure --enable-ssl
[06:38] <No1Viking> 8. continue the installation.
[06:38] <MrVM> anyone get ubuntu to connect to a wpa router
[06:38] <meta> Seveas - sounds good
[06:38] <Seveas> NEVER PASTE IN HERE
[06:38] <meta> heh
[06:39] <Seveas> MrVM, you need wpasupplicant
[06:39] <AzMoo> Hi. How do I make X windows prompt for a password to run a program? I'm using XFCE, because I like it better than gnome, but I'm having to run synaptic through a terminal so I can use a password for sudo
[06:39] <Seveas> and a lot of configuring hasslw
[06:39] <brenner> guess he didn't read ubotu's usage doc properly...
[06:39] <Seveas> AzMoo, gksudo synaptic
[06:39] <nubbe> sexcopter8000m, check lyx
[06:39] <MrVM> I have install wpasupplicant and folloed all the configuratio steps but it still will not connect
[06:40] <AzMoo> Seveas, nice one. Is there a way to prompt for password if it's not for sudo? I want to use it for rdesktop as well.
[06:40] <nubbe> it's always good to doa search with 'Description and Name' in synaptic
[06:40] <Seveas> AzMoo, mske rdesktop prompt for it :)
[06:40] <AzMoo> Seveas, but it doesn't prompt in X, only the terminal.
[06:40] <meta> No1Viking, you need to put that stuff on the forms or the wiki. Then you just put the URL to that in ubuto
[06:41] <minime-> hmm, what would happen if i copy home, etc, usr, bin and var for my debian to ubuntu?
[06:41] <Parad0xlites> hey can i as a quickie?
[06:41] <minime-> should everything work fine or is it everything else but working?
[06:42] <Seveas> Parad0xlites, you can ask anything you want :)
[06:42] <adjacent> ive read on the forums that gaim 1.5.0 isnt in backports yet. is this still true? are there any unofficial ways to get it in apt?
[06:42] <Parad0xlites> k then
[06:42] <Hoxzer> eh :E
[06:42] <AzMoo> Seveas, heh, nevermind :p
[06:42] <Parad0xlites> i have this live cd of ubuntu im useing right now and a 6 gb empty hd can i install the live cd directly on it?
[06:42] <AzMoo> I should've tried it instead of trusting what somebody else had said.
[06:43] <deFrysk> adjacent, apt-get source -b from breezy and backport it yourself
[06:43] <Hoxzer> how can I quickly change ubuntuns language to english?
[06:43] <Seveas> Parad0xlites, unfortunately not
[06:43] <Parad0xlites> :'(
[06:43] <robzon> minime-: I'd go for the second option.
[06:43] <Seveas> Hoxzer, sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[06:44] <adjacent> deFrysk: im not familiar with how to backport it myself... do you have a link with instructions/manaul?
[06:44] <B|ueMat> I finally got my install problem sorted, im liking this Ubuntu..
[06:44] <Hoxzer> seveas: ok, how I can change it back to Finnish
[06:44] <minime-> robzon: so maybe it
[06:44] <Seveas> same command :)
[06:44] <Parad0xlites> i tried installing fedora core 2 (beacuse its the only version i have) but it won't install beacuse of my 1gb ram :'(
[06:44] <minime-> robzon: so maybe it's easier to install debian.
[06:45] <deFrysk> adjacent, not sure about docs
[06:46] <deFrysk> adjacent,  first you need to install build-essential
[06:46] <MrVM> has anyone install mythtv on ubuntu
[06:46] <adjacent> deFrysk: can i just get the source and build to deb and install with dpkg without breaking anything?
[06:46] <adjacent> deFrysk: right, with build-essential
[06:46] <Seveas> adjacent, the source for what?
[06:46] <deFrysk> adjacent, with fakeroot the deb wil be build locally
[06:46] <adjacent> Seveas: gaim 1.5.0
[06:46] <Hoxzer> seveas: well language seem to be still finnish :O
[06:47] <Seveas> adjacent, you'd better not
[06:47] <Seveas> gaim 1.5.0 in breezy has launchpad integration added
[06:47] <Seveas> better not use that on hoary
[06:47] <jack-> where do i have to add a screen resolution to make it usable for the gui tool?
[06:47] <jack-> its in xorg.conf already
[06:47] <Seveas> Hoxzer, you need to logout & login
[06:47] <MrVM>  has anyone install mythtv on ubuntu
[06:47] <Seveas> jack-, did you restart the X server after changing xorg.conf?
[06:47] <Parad0xlites> why don't i get gaim 1.50 on synaptic? it only seems to show 1.4
[06:47] <jack-> no
[06:47] <adjacent> Seveas: so am i stuck with 1.4.0? i know i can get it working, i just want to have a clean upgrade path when breezy is released
[06:48] <Seveas> jack-, then do that
[06:48] <jack-> Seveas: how can i do it without rebooting? ;)
[06:48] <deFrysk> adjacent, in a few weeks it should be safe enough for a desktop user to upgrade to breezy , better to be patient perhaps
[06:48] <Seveas> jack-, sudo invoke-rc.d gdm restart
[06:48] <Hoxzer> still same....
[06:48] <jack-> thx!
[06:48] <Seveas> WARNING: it will log you out
[06:48] <jack-> and end my apps?
[06:48] <funkyHat> Seveas, not ctrl+alt+backsp
[06:48] <funkyHat> ?
[06:48] <Seveas> jack-, yes
[06:48] <jack-> damn, ok
[06:48] <jack-> brb then :p
[06:49] <robzon> minime-: yeah, probably you'll avoid a lot of trouble by just installing a new system... you may just copy some of the configuration files... and copying /home is safe... but lib/ bin/ and etc/ not
[06:49] <MFen> anyone know if samba is going to include idmap_rid in breezy?
[06:49] <robzon> minime-: /var is also bad idea, because apt-get keeps its cache and repository stuff there
[06:50] <minime-> robzon: but ubuntu uses also apt-get?
[06:50] <tear> anyone know of a good DC client that works on 64 Architecture? the ones precompiled in ubuntu basicly are useless at comunicating with the servers
[06:50] <osfameron> will breezy gnome be able to open files off a samba mount?
[06:50] <samu2> ack, i get an error like this when opening a file in vlc [00000270]  oss audio output error: cannot open audio device (/dev/dsp)
[06:50] <reignbow> tear: Maybe valknut?
[06:50] <samu2> and then sounds wont play
[06:50] <Hoxzer> how can I change windows partition to be writable in linux
[06:50] <minime-> robzon: I'm installing new router, and just wanting to get same settings without manual work
[06:50] <reignbow> A much more recent version of dcgui
[06:50] <reignbow> Or rather, dcgui-qt. That mess is the reason they changed the name :)
[06:50] <tear> reignbow, where may i get it?
[06:51] <adjacent> Hoxzer: ntfs?
[06:51] <reignbow> dcgui.berlios.de
[06:51] <Hoxzer> adjecent: yep
[06:52] <adjacent> Hoxzer: you cant. (safely)
[06:52] <jack-> Seveas: done, but it doesnt restart
[06:52] <Seveas> Hoxzer, ntfs?
[06:52] <jack-> its just hanging..i'm on my mac now
[06:52] <reignbow> I am not totally sure, but I believe it works on amd64
[06:52] <Seveas> jack-, hmm...
[06:52] <jack-> is there any key combination i should try?

[06:52] <Hoxzer> you cant :E
[06:52] <reignbow> At least if you compile it yourself (easy to do, instructions on the website)
[06:52] <Hoxzer> I just want to download torrents
[06:52] <neilio> hey folks
[06:52] <jack-> Seveas: doesnt do anything
[06:52] <Seveas> Hoxzer, regarding the language problem: paste /etc/environment on the pastebin
[06:53] <jack-> ctrl-alt-del then, hm?
[06:53] <jack-> :~
[06:53] <Seveas> jack-, <ctrl><alt><f1>
[06:53] <jack-> ok
[06:53] <adjacent> i wonder if its possible to use vmware (or maybe wine?) to read the ntfs drive, then share it and mount with samba... anyone tried this?
[06:53] <jack-> neither
[06:53] <Hoxzer> Seveas: seems like it changed my clock language
[06:53] <Hoxzer> how I can get it back? :D
[06:53] <jack-> seems like it crashed
[06:53] <Seveas> Hoxzer, in /etc/environment you set which languages to use for what
[06:53] <Seveas> jack-, <ctrl><alt><del> then
[06:54] <adjacent> Hoxzer: you dont need windows to download torrents
[06:54] <jack-> hmm ctrl alt del doesnt help either :)
[06:54] <jack-> i'll switch it off/on
[06:54] <jack-> doh
[06:54] <Hoxzer> Seveas: there is no folder named as environment in etc directory
[06:55] <Seveas> there should be :|
[06:56] <Hoxzer> :<
[06:57] <robzon> minime-: yes, but it uses different repositories and different packages
[06:58] <samu2> there is also something strange with my open office. the letters act a bit strange.
[06:58] <robzon> minime-: just backup files from /etc that are responsible for the network/router configuration
[06:58] <minime-> robzon: ok
[06:58] <Hoxzer> Seveas: is it file? ;/
[06:58] <samu2> i couldnt see the i in a file name that i was opening. i had to switch windows and switch back to observe the formatting change i made to one letter.
[06:58] <Hoxzer> I thought it was folder :D
[06:59] <Hoxzer> LANGUAGE="fi_FI:fi:en_GB:en"
[06:59] <Hoxzer> LANG=en_ZW.UTF-8
[06:59] <Hoxzer> what do I do?
[07:00] <jack-> ok, its up again
[07:00] <jack-> now lets see
[07:01] <jack-> nope
[07:01] <jack-> Seveas: how the f**k can i get more resolutions into the preferences dialog? :<
[07:02] <jack-> 1024x768 looks a bit shitty on 20"
[07:02] <jack-> sigh
[07:02] <deFrysk> jack-, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:03] <jack-> ok, thx
[07:03] <jack-> uhm
[07:03] <djib> LO
[07:04] <pef> bye
[07:06] <Trebz> Can anybody help me with dual monitors (nVidia) ?  I've read through a few forum posts, but can't really find a solution, is there a definitive guide to TwinView somewhere?
[07:09] <aftertaf> is there a way to have 2 different ip addresses on one physical NIC? and also if one is via DHCP?
[07:10] <bluefoxicy> wow.
[07:10] <bluefoxicy> gcc 4.0 is like a whole new compiler.
[07:11] <magnon> aftertaf: definately possible without dhcp at least, I never tried with :) Just configure the second as an alias - if you have eth0, configure the next as eth0:0
[07:11] <Earthen> I'm having a problem with nautilus, anyone have info on that?
[07:11] <Dreamglider> WoW
[07:11] <Daemonic> WHEEE!!!
[07:11] <Daemonic> ok. what might I need to do with this here ubuntu install to mount a local nfs share?
[07:12] <znh> Aha, is freenode busy again :)
[07:12] <Earthen> holy crap?
[07:12] <magnon> awesome :P
[07:12] <_antix> frak
[07:12] <aftertaf> magnon: ok.. and that way i can have a pc on 2 subnets?
[07:12] <znh> EARTH TO FREENODE; DO YOU COPY *SHOUTS*
[07:12] <znh> :P
[07:12] <magnon> aftertaf: yes
[07:13] <znh> Orbi-, your Ident is quite funny :P
[07:13] <aftertaf> magnon: nice one dude :)
[07:13] <aftertaf> ill try to figure out how ;)
[07:13] <aftertaf> not goulty ;)
[07:13] <znh> magnon, freenode doesn't have a master server ;)
[07:13] <aftertaf>  /s/ou/ui
[07:13] <Earthen>  nautilus keeps crashing when ever i try and brows out of my home dir any idea's anyone
[07:13] <magnon> I don't care as long as it let me IRC in peace :P
[07:14] <znh> yeah!
[07:14] <znh> that's the spriit
[07:14] <znh> aight.. not that
[07:14] <Trebz> heh, I obviously couldn't see anyone typing before for some reason, thought it was odd nobody saying anything with 250+ people!
[07:14] <deFrysk> Earthen, breezy ?
[07:14] <znh> Earthen, hmm.. have you got many files in your home directory?
[07:14] <Earthen> znh did you want something for me?
[07:14] <Earthen> not really
[07:14] <deFrysk> Earthen, breezy ?
[07:14] <aftertaf> since gnome 2.4 ive had pbs with gnome and used kde.
[07:14] <magnon> Earthen: are you running Breezy or Hoary?
[07:15] <Earthen> what is breezy?
[07:15] <aftertaf> konqueror pws nautilus
[07:15] <znh> aftertaf, feel free to come to #kubuntu ;)
[07:15] <Earthen> hoary
[07:15] <aftertaf> i is dude ;)
[07:15] <deFrysk> Earthen, I take that as a no
[07:15] <Earthen> LOL yeah you can take that as a no
[07:15] <Dreamglider> can anyone help me install xine (or somthing better) that will play my movies ?
[07:16] <znh> Dreamglider, VLC is the answer.. *echo*.. *echo..*
[07:16] <znh> !vlc
[07:16] <ubotu> Not a clue, znh
[07:16] <znh> omg noob
[07:16] <magnon> doh
[07:16] <magnon> vlc.sf.net
[07:16] <deFrysk> Dreamglider, sudo apt-get install totem-xine and then try totem
[07:16] <sorush20> Seveas: you and bob2 work together..
[07:16] <magnon> or something ;)
[07:16] <aftertaf> video lAN
[07:16] <HappyFool> !tell Dreamglider about restricted
[07:16] <magnon> !tell magnon about restricted
[07:16] <Trebz> Can anyone help with my dual monitors (nvidia), i've read a bunch of forum posts but am still none the wiser, I am a TOTAL newbie with linux (literally, the only exp. i have is 2 hours with ubuntu!)
[07:16] <Earthen> deFrysk, so  would you have any idea on my problem
[07:16] <Dreamglider> i just installed ubuntu
[07:16] <paulproteus> I would like to try Breezy on amd64.  Is downloading and installing the Colony 3 ISO the best way to do this?
[07:16] <magnon> oh, the bot with uber ai :D
[07:17] <Daemonic> how might I start portmap in ubuntu to mount a local nfs share?
[07:17] <aftertaf> anyway, cheers ;) back 2morrow... im on hometime now :)
[07:17] <HappyFool> Dreamglider: the restricted wiki page will help you install the appropriate software
[07:17] <magnon> paulproteus: sounds suicidal :D
[07:17] <deFrysk> Earthen, many many many files in one folder ?
[07:17] <aftertaf> paulproteus: wait thill mid october for stable
[07:17] <aftertaf> bye all..
[07:17] <Earthen> No I don't have meny file aside from the default maybe 1 or 2 more that is it
[07:17] <magnon> Haha, Lilo is so diplomatic :)
[07:17] <HappyFool> Daemonic: if it's installed, try 'sudo /etc/init.d/portmap start' ?
[07:18] <magnon> znh: stop being violent, and stop using kde!
[07:18] <znh> :'(.. admins.. he's so rude!
[07:18] <Earthen> it is acting like I do not have permission to view them sub folders
[07:18] <magnon> Earthen: if it crashes, can't you file a bug about it?
[07:18] <__filip_> i have an problem whit rhytmbox, it only import 20 of my .mp3. i have 150.
[07:19] <B|ueMat> newb to ubuntu/gnome are there services to admin servers e.g ssh apache etc?
[07:19] <paulproteus> magnon: It appears Colony 4 is out.
[07:19] <paulproteus> magnon: I guess I'll try that. :)
[07:19] <Earthen> Yes I guess i can but i am kinda new to all this so far
[07:19] <magnon> paulproteus: good luck, don't jump off a cliff if it goes wrong :)
[07:19] <paulproteus> magnon: Okay, thanks. :)
[07:19] <B|ueMat> how do I kick of SSH?
[07:19] <HappyFool> B|ueMat: not by default. You can use invoke-rc.d and update-rc.d from the command-line, or you can install BUM
[07:19] <magnon> Earthen: Aha. I'm unfortunately on my way out, can't help atm
[07:19] <HappyFool> !bum
[07:19] <ubotu> [bum]  a graphical BootUp Manager; see http://www.marzocca.net/linux/bum.html
[07:19] <znh> rofl.. bum.. that word is soo funny
[07:20] <Earthen> I am thinking that it is something that i did so i don't want to file a bug for something that I may have did
[07:20] <magnon> B|ueMat: You could open the package manager (synaptic) and install ssh-server and apache
[07:20] <Earthen> thanks anyway deFrysk
[07:20] <B|ueMat> What does BUM do then?
[07:20] <Earthen> magnon: thanks anyway
[07:20] <znh> ubotu, vlc is a video/audio player that supports almost everything - See http://www.videolan.org/ for more information (VLC is in the repos)
[07:20] <ubotu> znh: okay
[07:20] <Trebz> nobody wanna help with my x config for nvidia twinview?  i've only got one monitor working :-(
[07:21] <HappyFool> B|ueMat: graphical services manager
[07:21] <magnon> ubotu: znh uses kde and is proud about it, he also volunteers for public lynching
[07:21] <ubotu> I think you lost me on that one, magnon
[07:21] <magnon> :P
[07:21] <dabaR> what does it mean to kick of SSH?
[07:21] <znh> magnon, mate.. I warn you.. admins dislike abusing of that bot.. and I warn you as a mate
[07:22] <magnon> znh: he didnt catch my syntax, it was purposeful :)
[07:22] <HappyFool> dabaR: 'kick off', as in start, i imagine
[07:22] <znh> magnon, ok ;)
[07:22] <magnon> "on purpose"
[07:22] <dabaR> what does he want to do, though, B|ueMat, care to explain?
[07:23] <pawdro> hello, is upgrade hoary to breezy painless?;]
[07:23] <znh> dabaR, at my point of view.. he's trying to say.. "someone is logged on my computer via SSH, how do I kick him off my pc"
[07:23] <znh> pawdro, breezy is currently a pain/unstable
[07:23] <HappyFool> !ssh
[07:23] <ubotu> it has been said that ssh is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SSHHowto/
[07:23] <HappyFool> i'd read that howto
[07:23] <HappyFool> hmm, url is still wrong
[07:23] <Dreamglider> deFrysk, i did sudo apt-get install totem-xine but it didnt work here is what i got -> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1991
[07:23] <pawdro> znh: so if it is stable in future, will it be painfull?
[07:24] <znh> pawdro, no, I think it would be a second heaven
[07:24] <pawdro> :D
[07:24] <pawdro> hehe
[07:24] <neilio> hi folks - I have a real newbie question
[07:24] <paulproteus> magnon: Ooh, it turns out there are daily CD builds!
[07:24] <znh> neilio, welcome :)
[07:24] <magnon> pawdro: I wouldnt bet on that the upgrade was painless now, but it will be later :)
[07:24] <pawdro> neilio: hi;]
[07:24] <magnon> paulproteus: even more suicidal
[07:25] <neilio> I just finished recompiling the kernel on a new linux install to add orinoco monitoring
[07:25] <pawdro> magnon: ill try stable breezy
[07:25] <Trebz> I'm trying to install nvidia driver that i downloaded from their website, and it says it cant install, i need to quit X...how do i do that?
[07:25] <paulproteus> magnon: I'm switching this machine from Debian Unstable because it wasn't exciting enough. ;)
[07:25] <znh> pawdro, I heard of a m8.. that everything is working flawless with the sound (playing more sound at the same time without delays)
[07:25] <magnon> breezy isnt stable :)
[07:25] <B|ueMat> dabaR, administer services
[07:25] <neilio> and every time I want to install something new via synpatic I have to insert the hoary install CD
[07:25] <pawdro> ;]
[07:25] <dabaR> B|ueMat: more info, in plain words.
[07:26] <neilio> ? any way to work around this?
[07:26] <znh> omg.. those characters ruin my client
[07:26] <samu2> something in korean
[07:26] <HappyFool> neilio: remove the CD as a repository source
[07:26] <dabaR> neilio: remove the cd entry from your repository list.
[07:26] <__Phenotype__> chinaman
[07:26] <neilio> ah, thanks
[07:26] <neilio> I'm used to OS X
[07:26] <neilio> :)
[07:26] <HappyFool> neilio: in synaptic choose 'settings' and 'repositories'
[07:26] <znh> many echo's
[07:26] <Hoxzer> how can I setup tv-out?'
[07:26] <znh> Hoxzer, by configuring it
[07:27] <znh> Hoxzer, no.. just kidding - what videocard have you got?
[07:27] <Hoxzer> :D thx for advice
[07:27] <Hoxzer> geforce 6800
[07:27] <B|ueMat> Is there equivalen of K3B for Gnome? Cd+DVD
[07:27] <znh> Hoxzer, hmm.. not many expierence with nvidia cards.. sorry
[07:27] <liran_> hey guys
[07:27] <Hoxzer> great....
[07:27] <neilio> is there a good book that covers ubuntu?
[07:27] <znh> hi liran_
[07:27] <znh> neilio, what about "the internet"
[07:28] <HappyFool> neilio: not that i know; do you know about wiki.ubuntu.com ?
[07:28] <neilio> yes
[07:28] <dabaR> neilio: no, but....
[07:28] <neilio> I know about "the internet", but I prefer a book
[07:28] <znh> neilio, hm.. you can download wiki.ubuntu.com with wget -r and then print it out
[07:28] <__Phenotype__> fun fact for the day: "internet" is short for "internetworking"
[07:28] <__Phenotype__> yay
[07:29] <liran_> got ubutnu hoary 5.03 working just fine. at first, when i was puting a cd then ubuntu would've automatically detect and mount it and i'd have a cd-rom icon on the desktop. though it's not working now and i have to manually mount it... any ideas? could this be problem with updates? cause i update all the tim
[07:29] <dabaR> Bah...fact of the day for you is... Internet is spelled with an I if you are talking about "the" Internet.
[07:29] <neilio> znh: thanks
[07:29] <liran_> *time
[07:29] <znh> neilio, uh.. hope you know what your doing :p
[07:30] <B|ueMat> Is there equivalen of K3B for Gnome? Cd+DVD
[07:30] <znh> dabaR, it's not a god nor a person..
[07:30] <typo_> gah.. how do i figure out what US salary is appropriate for my potential new job that i'm relocating for..
[07:30] <dabaR> liran_: well, open a terminal, and type in dmesg tail, and paste that to a pastebin, also, type in gnome-volume-manager to see whether that gets it started, or you get an error.
[07:30] <HappyFool> B|ueMat: try maybe gnomebaker; i think that's the best option for gnome
[07:30] <Dreamglider> what is my root pswd, i newer set the pswd when i installed ubuntu!
[07:31] <HappyFool> B|ueMat: alternatively, just install K3B -- it ought to work in gnome too
[07:31] <znh> Dreamglider, you may use sudo instead
[07:31] <__Phenotype__> yes you did Dreamglider
[07:31] <HappyFool> !tell Dreamglider about root
[07:31] <znh> ubotu, tell Dreamglider about sudo
[07:31] <Lunar_Lamp> !tell Lunar_Lamp about root
[07:31] <neilio> one last question - is anyone here using ubuntu on a Powerbook?
[07:31] <znh> HappyFool, boks
[07:32] <liran_> dabaR: so basically, gnome-volume-manager should be runing and if it's runing then it should automount?
[07:32] <neilio> i'm wondering if there's any way to trigger a right-click using the trackpad
[07:32] <dabaR> That is the program that handles that, yes.
[07:32] <liran_> dabaR: and if it's runing and i enter a cd and i see it's not mounting, to check logs?
[07:32] <__Phenotype__> does anyone know if ATI Rage 128 Pro T.V. is supported by linux
[07:32] <dabaR> right, dmesg will tell you the errors.
[07:33] <liran_> dabaR: ok thanks.
[07:33] <dabaR> thats just a start, tho, I dont know much.
[07:33] <Dreamglider> why cant i install anything, apt-get install just gives me "E: Couldn't find package packagename" !
[07:34] <HappyFool> !tell Dreamglider about repos
[07:34] <znh> __Phenotype__, not with 3D Acceleration - but it'll do with non-gaming
[07:35] <lsuactiafner> !tell me about breezy
[07:36] <znh> lsuactiafner, having fun telling yourself naughty stories ? :P
[07:36] <dwerf> question: how did i manage to lose 20 Gb on a hard disk; how do i fix it?
[07:36] <lsuactiafner> yeh
[07:36] <no0tic> on breezy totem doesn't play videos, I can hear sounds when playing but no video appears, just like totem recognizes the file as an audio file
[07:36] <znh> dwerf, more details please.. I don't get your problem
[07:36] <lsuactiafner> no0tic : change the video out device
[07:37] <dwerf> znh > i want to create two windows partitions, one linux and one swap
[07:37] <znh> dwerf, ok
[07:37] <neiras> When is Breezy scheduled to be released?
[07:38] <dwerf> znh > blank system, but i messed around a bit
[07:38] <no0tic> lsuactiafner: in system -> preferences?
[07:38] <znh> dwerf, what did you mess up?
[07:38] <HappyFool> !breezy
[07:38] <ubotu> I heard breezy is the next version of Ubuntu (5.10); released October 2005. It hasn't reached stable-status, so it can still be broken. A pictorial view of differences between Hoary & Breezy: http://members.home.nl/jeroen-91/ubuntu/breezy-new/
[07:38] <no0tic> lsuactiafner: it doesn't change
[07:38] <lsuactiafner> no0tic : use mplayer or gmplayer
[07:39] <lsuactiafner> but what cpu are you using?
[07:39] <dwerf> znh, well, my ubuntu doesn't boot, and windows doesn't want to install
[07:39] <lsuactiafner> 64bit doesnt play wmv files..
[07:39] <dwerf> znh and somehow i lost 20Gb diskspace
[07:39] <no0tic> lsuactiafner: no, 32bit
[07:39] <Bad_Magic> so... ssh is fun
[07:39] <Bad_Magic> =P
[07:39] <no0tic> lsuactiafner: I was only telling that totem can't play video files, I know mplayer does :)
[07:39] <dwerf> i re-insterted the ubuntu install-disk, but ubuntu isn't visible there
[07:40] <dwerf> znh or doens't seem to be
[07:40] <lsuactiafner> why are about totem then?
[07:40] <no0tic> lsuactiafner: Totem is the default choice of ubuntu installation and I want to test it out
[07:40] <dwerf> znh i'd prefer to start totally from scratch now
[07:41] <Vaske_Car> What is the diference between 40 and 80 pin IDE cables?
[07:42] <dwerf> znh?
[07:42] <frank23> Vaske_Car: not sure but the 40 pin cables are more "bumpy" and probably only work with very old drives
[07:42] <LasseL> Vaske_Car, i think 40 pin is what we had about 10 years ago
[07:42] <nubbe> anything I need to know before trying wine?
[07:43] <HappyFool> dwerf: your system is not working at all?
[07:43] <Daemonic> why on earth would I not be able to apt-get install xmms?
[07:43] <HappyFool> Daemonic: because you haven't setup network repositories
[07:43] <Hoxzer^> :E
[07:43] <dwerf> HappyFool, it is, but i got lost a bit partitioning
[07:43] <Hoxzer^> my ....... gnome desktop totaly frozed when I put in my DVD :E
[07:43] <HappyFool> dwerf: ok, what do you want to do?
[07:43] <Vaske_Car> A salesman in PC store told me that there is no diference if you use any of them with hard drive
[07:43] <Daemonic> HappyFool: The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[07:43] <Daemonic>   xmms-skins: Depends: xmms (>= 1.2.1) but it is not installable
[07:43] <Hoxzer^> have to use irssi
[07:44] <dwerf> HappyFool > i'd like to create a dual boot with xp
[07:44] <HappyFool> Daemonic: please read the repositories howto on the wiki carefully
[07:44] <Hoxzer^> so...
[07:44] <HappyFool> !tell Daemonic about repos
[07:44] <Vaske_Car> Is there any link online that explane why to use 80pins?
[07:44] <Jhair> Daemonic, I would recommend beep-media-player instead of xmms
[07:44] <Hoxzer^> can I somehow logout from gnome with some command or something?
[07:44] <no0tic> !tell me about Tetem
[07:44] <no0tic> !tell me about Totem
[07:44] <dabaR> ubotu: msg the bot
[07:44] <HappyFool> dwerf: ok, and you have a windows install cd?
[07:45] <dwerf> HappyFool > i do
[07:45] <dwerf> HappyFool > and an ubuntu one
[07:45] <scenestar> goodevening
[07:45] <Hoxzer^> can I logout from gnome with some commadn?
[07:45] <Hoxzer^> *command :E
[07:45] <dabaR> Daemonic: I would recommend you learn how to use backports, or not use them at all.
[07:45] <Hoxzer^> damnit
[07:45] <dwerf> HappyFool > but the windows partition options are extremely limited
[07:45] <Hoxzer^> :E
[07:45] <HappyFool> dwerf: how so?
[07:45] <dabaR> Hoxzer^: atrl+alt+backspace restarts x.
[07:46] <__Phenotype__> can i get the tv to work on a rage 128 pro (AIW)
[07:46] <__Phenotype__> ?
[07:46] <Hoxzer> :D right when you said that it started work
[07:46] <scenestar> can i ask someone for help?
[07:46] <__Phenotype__> just ask scenestar
[07:46] <dwerf> HappyFool > i can just create, delete or install, not divide or use a particular way of formatting
[07:47] <dwerf> HappyFool > i am now in the ubuntu partition menu
[07:47] <HappyFool> dwerf: i imagine the windows install disk will format partitions as it needs to
[07:47] <scenestar> at school im taking courses in appliction design and systems administartions
[07:47] <dwerf> HappyFool > for windows...
[07:47] <scenestar> we use several machines
[07:47] <scenestar> which all have different hardware
[07:47] <dabaR> keep it in one line.
[07:47] <HappyFool> dwerf: indeed. what do you want to achieve?
[07:47] <scenestar> as a solution they gave every student their own hd
[07:47] <scenestar> with 3 partitions
[07:47] <scenestar> to match teh hardware
[07:48] <__Phenotype__> and........
[07:48] <scenestar> well, can i use the same ubuntu partition for every single machine?
[07:48] <Skaja> can some one help with a unpacking error
[07:49] <LasseL> scenestar, good question :)
[07:49] <Skaja> !tell skaja about dpkg
[07:49] <__Phenotype__> you mean you're going to physically remove the boot hdd from one computer, and move it into another?
[07:49] <dwerf> HappyFool > i have now: 1 IDE 61.5 GB, #5 logical of 15 Gb and #6 of 46.5 Gb and pri/log of 8.2Mb
[07:49] <LasseL> scenestar, I think knoppix can do that -- it was designed to do just that
[07:49] <scenestar> yes
[07:49] <__Phenotype__> that is a good question
[07:49] <scenestar> hmm
[07:49] <scenestar> no live cd please
[07:50] <scenestar> its so much slower
[07:50] <LasseL> scenestar, you can install knoppix to a hd
[07:50] <Skaja> i try to dpkg lt modems and i keep getting a dpkg error
[07:50] <dwerf> HappyFool > the partition that linux is on now, somehow mysteriously became invisible
[07:50] <scenestar> i was thinkign about that
[07:50] <Hoxzer> how do I mount cd/dvd driver?
[07:50] <HappyFool> dwerf: invisible to which application? windows installer?
[07:50] <goff> I need help installing the driver for my Intel Extreme Graphics chip on my laptop.
[07:50] <dwerf> HappyFool > the ubuntu installer
[07:50] <Jhair> scenestar, if you want to install linux on several machines maybe FAI is for you (http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/)
[07:50] <HappyFool> dwerf: hmm
[07:50] <dwerf> HappyFool > or so it seems
[07:51] <tear> !chroot
[07:51] <ubotu> chroot is, like, at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575
[07:51] <Jhair> I didn't understand fully your question though
[07:51] <__Phenotype__> scenestar... i think you can, but ive never done it, there is only one way to find out
[07:51] <dwerf> HappyFool > i just don't know what basic steps to take now
[07:51] <Skaja> i'm not pming about
[07:51] <scenestar> yup, try it out
[07:51] <Skaja> a bot
[07:51] <HappyFool> dwerf: but ubuntu boots from the hard drive?
[07:51] <dabaR> he wants to have ubuntu installed on one HD, and then take this hd from machine to machi9ne, and boot the machines from it.
[07:51] <Quinthius> scenestar: i suspect there will be problems
[07:52] <dwerf> HappyFool > it did, but after i f***ed it up, it doesn't anymore
[07:52] <scenestar> its an interesting problem isnt it
[07:52] <Jhair> only boot them?
[07:52] <Jhair> or install linux on them
[07:52] <scenestar> well use them for school work
[07:52] <scenestar> instead of winblows
[07:52] <__Phenotype__> as long as the computers are the same archetecture (x64 compared to i386) i think it will work
[07:52] <dabaR> scenestar: anything is interesting to someone.
[07:52] <HappyFool> dwerf: is it possible you erased the ubuntu partition?
[07:52] <dwerf> HappyFool > it very well is ;-)
[07:52] <tmtracy> ok ok!  who wants to be the ubuntu usb guru?!  =)
[07:52] <scenestar> well, its only minor differences in hardware
[07:52] <scenestar> but theyre all 386intel
[07:53] <goff> can anyone help me with the intel graphics?
[07:53] <dabaR> tmtracy: I do.
[07:53] <HappyFool> dwerf: hmm. and wiping the drive and reinstalling is not an option?
[07:53] <__Phenotype__> well, that is the most important part, the rest are oly peripherals
[07:53] <tmtracy> yay
[07:53] <tmtracy> =)
[07:53] <Skaja> i even did the sudo dpkg --install ltmodem.deb
[07:53] <znh> dwerf, you there?
[07:53] <dwerf> HappyFool ... it doens't seem to be - what are the logical steps?
[07:53] <Quinthius> scenestar: what kind of minor differences?
[07:53] <HappyFool> dwerf: i mean, you are prepared to lose everything on the drive?
[07:53] <__Phenotype__> it can adapt to diffrent scsi devices, but the core is important
[07:53] <dwerf> HappyFool ... yes
[07:53] <scenestar> in ram, , video, sound drivers
[07:53] <znh> dwerf, If you want to start from scratch you can run fdisk and delete all partitions
[07:54] <HappyFool> dwerf: ok. do you have the live cd?
[07:54] <tmtracy> dabaR > I'm having problems with "hotplug" if any usb devices are pluged in
[07:54] <dwerf> HappyFool ... no, the install cd
[07:54] <dabaR> tmtracy: well, too bad.
[07:54] <tmtracy> dabaR > when it's hanging, if I unplug them, it boots, but renders that port useless
[07:54] <HappyFool> dwerf: hmm. and nothing like knoppix etc ?
[07:54] <Quinthius> scenestar: some config files are written when you install, like xorg.conf, fstab, etc. that won't automatically get updated when you switch hardware around
[07:54] <dabaR> tmtracy: sorry to hear that.
[07:55] <dwerf> HappyFool ... i have suse live
[07:55] <Skaja> i could a my modem but i cant find 30setseral in ubuntu
[07:55] <Hoxzer> how I can enable DVD suppport?
[07:55] <Quinthius> scenestar: so you may have to rewrite various config files for each machine. and also there's the issue of drive positioning/numbering
[07:55] <__Phenotype__> hoxzer, are you in the u.s.
[07:55] <HappyFool> dwerf: ok, i think what you want to do is boot with that live cd, and run 'fdisk -l /dev/hda' to see what partitions exist on the drive
[07:55] <dwerf> HappyFool ... so you say i should run a bootable linux os and use fdisk from there?
[07:55] <Hoxzer> __Phenotype__: no :)
[07:56] <scenestar> hmmmm
[07:56] <__Phenotype__> good answer
[07:56] <HappyFool> dwerf: indeed. if the installer doesn't 'see' your partition, i suspect it is gone
[07:56] <dwerf> HappyFool ... but would fdisk see more than the ubuntu install partitioner?
[07:56] <Hoxzer> ;D knew it
[07:56] <scenestar> anyways, if i manage to pull this off properly
[07:56] <Skaja> !tell skaja about setseral
[07:56] <scenestar> ill be able to impress my teachers
[07:56] <HappyFool> dwerf: i doubt it, but it may be easier to use
[07:56] <Zoohouse> dabaR: do you know how to fix the problem
[07:56] <Zoohouse> ?