[00:03] <Stanley00> oh, nevermind, I have tried search for its addons.
[00:12] <dajhorn> How do I install the gnome-desktop-environment package on Ubuntu Oneiric beta 1?  Software Center crashes and apt-get says that python-gnomeapplet is not installable.
[00:22] <escott> am i correct that it is now impossible to install skype 32bit on a 64bit system or am I missing something? ldd `which skype` shows libQtDBus.so.4 => not found, but apt-file search libQtDBus.so.4 only lists the 64bit versions and apt-get install libqt4-dbus:i386 fails on various dependencies (ie it seems not to want to install the i386 version of the packages)
[00:22] <jbicha> dajhorn: why do you want that package, just install gnome-shell or gnome-panel
[00:23] <escott> dajhorn, the gnome2 style panels are gone in oneric
[00:24] <dajhorn> jbicha: Upgrading older Ubuntu installations to Oneiric chokes on the gnome-desktop-environment metapackages.  Field upgrades look like they will be difficult.
[00:27] <jbicha> dajhorn: why do you need that package? that's a meta package for Debian use, Ubuntu uses ubuntu-desktop
[00:29] <dajhorn> jbicha: `apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment` was an easy and sensible way to get a working gnome desktop on earlier releases.
[00:29] <billybigrigger> it's been ubuntu-desktop for awhile now
[00:30] <dajhorn> jbicha: Looks like the same things in Oneiric universe are currently broken.  ("It doesn't have to make sense if its policy.")
[00:30] <dajhorn> jbicha: Thanks, btw.   gnome-shell and gnome-panel got the desired result.
[00:31] <basso> well well
[00:31] <basso> loads of updates
[00:31] <basso> and still vertical tearing on gnome-shell when using nvidia :(
[00:33] <jbicha> for the technical side, it's difficult to fix the gnome-desktop-environment package as it's meant to get a working GNOME2 install on Debian
[00:33] <jbicha> obviously we don't ship GNOME2, and the new meta-gnome3 source package hasn't been published yet
[00:34] <dajhorn> And GNOME 3 is outside main.
[00:35] <jbicha> so is gnome-desktop-environment, but most of GNOME3 is in main
[00:46] <basso> uhm
[00:47] <basso> i cant see adwaita
[00:47] <basso> or any shell theme in tweak tool
[00:47] <basso> is it just me?
[00:48] <billybigrigger> no not just you
[00:56] <Peddy> is anyone else experiencing frequent crashes of gnome shell?
[01:01] <billybigrigger> not yet
[01:02] <urlin2u> only when it actually runs
[01:03] <basso> yes gnome shell crashes quite strangly
[01:03] <basso> and randomly
[01:03] <basso> but it wont be used when the main theme is missing
[01:03] <basso> :P
[01:11] <bronson> Peddy, yeah, gnome shell is totally unusable for me.
[01:14] <Peddy> okay thanks for confirming mentlegen, i'm sure it won't be unstable for too much longer!
[03:18] <Onlyodin> Is anyone else missing Window Titles, titlebar buttons, window borders, etc?
[03:20] <Onlyodin> Also, whenever I'm prompted to report a problem, if I click "Report Problem..." it prompts for my password, then goes back to the "System program problem detected" popup.
[03:22] <urlin2u> Onlyodin, seems rather buggy overall to be honest, been ths way since the DE have changed starting with Natty in development.
[03:23] <urlin2u> I use Natty now but oneiric seems as unstable.
[03:23] <Onlyodin> hmm ok.  So it might not be a setting I have to change, or a package that has somehow dropped off?
[03:24] <bazhang> apport is crashing?
[03:24] <Onlyodin> looks that way.
[03:24] <bazhang> the irony
[03:25] <Onlyodin> it prompts for a gksudo password, and I guess crashes in collecting data to report.
[03:25] <Onlyodin> I couldn't stand Natty.  It's less stable than oneiric.
[03:26] <bazhang> you have a ton of PPA installed on Natty?
[03:26] <Onlyodin> Right now unity is borked, but at least I can change to the gnome3 desktop and everything still functions.
[03:26] <urlin2u> not worth the hassle for me I used to install the develpments right off with very little trouble, it will all get ironed out eventually I suspect.
[03:27] <Onlyodin> brb, gonna log out / in
[03:33] <Onlyodin> Strange. I logged out + in, and the gnome3 shell was stuffed just like unity.
[03:33] <Onlyodin> rebooted and went straight for gnome3 shell, and all is 'normal' again.
[03:34] <Onlyodin> as far as 'gnome3' and 'normal' can go in the same sentence...
[03:52] <decio> hey
[03:52] <bazhang> hi
[03:53] <decio> what do you guys think of the menuon ubuntu 11.10. On the Launcher???
[03:56] <decio> hello?
[03:57] <bazhang> decio, think of? as in changing it? just general opinions?
[03:58] <decio> the menu position in ubuntu 11.10
[03:58] <rww> bazhang: I think they're asking how we feel about the menu moving from the very top-left on the menubar to the actual launcher dock thing itself
[03:58] <decio> rww: exactly
[03:58] <rww> I personally think it's more discoverable and like it from screenshots, though I haven't used it yet.
[03:59] <decio> rww, I have and I think that's ok
[03:59] <Onlyodin> I liked it better in the menubar
[04:00] <decio> but they are taking away the "Win"+"a" to access applications, a least they did in the beta
[04:00] <decio> 1
[04:00] <decio> that was my favorite shortcut
[04:02] <urlin2u> synapse is my favorite shortcut
[04:04] <jA_cOp> "whereis librt" -> "librt: /usr/lib64/librt.so /usr/lib64/librt.a", except I'm on a 32 bit machine. Is this normal?
[04:04] <jA_cOp> I can't find librt anywhere in /lib or /usr/lib
[04:05] <decio> I think is /usr/share/lib
[04:05] <decio> for get it
[04:05] <jA_cOp> Hm, I have no /usr/share/lib
[04:06] <jA_cOp> also, "file -L /usr/lib64/librt.so" -> "/usr/lib64/librt.so: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.15, stripped"
[04:07] <jA_cOp> so it's really using a 64 bit SO on my 32 bit system... I am getting undefined reference errors for clock_gettime and clock_getres in one of my applications, which prompted this research, am I doing something wrong or is this a bug of some sort?
[04:09] <decio> Where can I learn all that terminal codes, is it a web site or something, because I'm not good at it
[04:12] <urlin2u> decio, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[04:13] <urlin2u> check the links at the bottom, also notice man and help
[04:14] <decio> thanks
[04:55] <mikedep333> hi, how do I figure out what the PID is of an X11 window?
[04:55] <mikedep333> I'm getting "system program problem detected" messages. whenever I click cancel or report problem, it comes back 3 seconds later
[04:56] <mikedep333> I'm tempted to just use xkill
[04:58] <mikedep333> alright, I xkill'd it, problem solved
[05:21] <billybigrigger> anyone here play hon?
[05:53] <bullgard6> GNOME 3 does not provide TeaTime. What substitute do you recommend?
[06:38] <xgt001> hey there... I am not able to connect to internet via usb modem in oneiric... it gets disconnected all the time.. I could connect in the live session.. any ideas
[07:00] <mortal> is it normal for update-manager -d installation to fail
[07:02] <bullgard6> mortal: No.
[07:07] <mortal> mine complains about some dependencies regarding gcc
[07:21] <mortal> I get libc6-dev : Rikkoo: gcc-4.4 (< 4.4.6-3ubuntu1) mutta 4.4.5-15ubuntu1 on merkitty asennettavaksi libgcc1 : Rikkoo: gcc-4.4 (< 4.4.6-4) mutta 4.4.5-15ubuntu1 on merkitty asennettavaksi
[08:18] <qzio> hi, I upgrade to oneiric yesterday and after the reboot it just stops right after it has mounted the disk. I managed to get a shell by passing init=/bin/sh to grub...
[08:18] <qzio> my guess is that something is wrong with the startup scripts, but I don't know how to fix that...
[08:31] <zniavre> good morning
[08:32] <zniavre> got wrong volume applet in fallback session that is known ?
[09:34] <qzio> can anyone point me to something that might help me to understand the bootup process? I upgraded from natty to oneiric yesterday and my system wont boot properly, even using the recovery option in the grub list. It just stops right after the filesystem is mounted.
[09:36] <qzio> if i add init=/bin/sh i get a prompt. but I have no idea how to solve this properly...
[09:36] <qzio> is there some kind of mailing list I can ask for help? I have no idea where to send a bugreport, is there some general project for this kind of stuff?
[09:38] <Stanley00> qzio: well, I think From-PowerUp-To-Bash-Prompt-HOWTO is a good start here...
[09:47] <qzio> Stanley00: thanks, i'll look into it
[09:48] <Stanley00> qzio: yrw
[09:48] <Stanley00> qzio: you are welcome :)
[09:50] <o_portista17> on the ubuntu 11.11 can i use the old gnome? the one that is avaliable by default on the ubuntu 11.04?
[09:50] <Stanley00> o_portista17: why do you need old gnome?
[09:51] <o_portista17> i don't like unity
[09:51] <Stanley00> o_portista17: anyway, just give it a try, it's beta testing anyway ;)
[09:52] <qzio> :) I'll read some and see if i can find anything that might be worth trying. Then ill do a complete reinstall...
[09:52] <qzio> is there a way to display a list of everything that is started during init?
[09:53] <Stanley00> qzio: I dont know, maybe not
[09:54] <zniavre_> o_portista17,  you can try fallback session installing gnome-fallback-session (kind of classic gnome-panel)
[09:54] <o_portista17> hum..ok, will try that
[09:55] <Stanley00> o_portista17: or try building-up from alternate cd.
[09:59] <qzio> grr. it's like init isnt even starting any getty's or something..
[10:01] <qzio> the last line is "EXT4-fs (sda1): re-mounted. Opts: discard, errors=remount-ro and then nothing, no prompt, no x, nothiing :(
[10:02] <Stanley00> qzio: in that case, try check your hard drive, and/or /ect/fstab config file
[10:04] <sam-_-> x wont start. cant figure out why: paste.ubuntu.com/681113
[10:13] <sam-_-> nvm. xdm is working fine. only lightdm and gdm are not
[10:21] <ElTimo> Has anyone else noticed their computers running hotter under oneiric?
[10:22] <qzio> Stanley00: i removed the discard option from my fstab, but still same thing...
[10:22] <Stanley00> ElTimo: It's almost the same on my laptop,
[10:23] <qzio> it says "Begin: Running /scripts/init-bottom ... done on the line before the EXT4-fs line...
[10:23] <Stanley00> qzio: did you try checking your hard drive?
[10:23] <ElTimo> Stanley00: It's running noticeably hotter than Natty, which runs noticeably hotter than Windows.
[10:24] <Stanley00> ElTimo: did you install all driver? my laptop is cooler after I install my Radeon driver.
[10:25] <ElTimo> Stanley00: I have all the drivers installed. I'm running Bumblebee so I'm thinking it might have something to do with that.
[10:26] <Stanley00> ElTimo: well, then, I dont know why, but my lappy is cool...
[10:27] <qzio> Stanley00: check, how? I have no problem mounting it using a live cd, or booting with the init=/bin/bash option to get access to the filesystem...
[10:28] <Stanley00> qzio: could you paste the content of /etc/fstab?
[10:30] <qzio> sure, hold on
[10:33] <qzio> Stanley00:  http://pastebin.com/diU2SWc9
[10:33] <Stanley00> qzio: ok, just a minute
[10:34] <qzio> hm.. i have /initrd.img which points to a img in /boot that doesn't exists-..
[10:35] <qzio> ohm,nm it does exists.
[10:37] <Stanley00> qzio: hmm, fstab look normal, /me cant figure out why...
[10:37] <Stanley00> qzio: are you trying build a linux system from ground up?
[10:40] <qzio> Stanley00: nope, not at all. I did updated from natty...
[10:41] <qzio> it complained at libc2 or something, so i after reboot, i booted into livecd and installed the proper package, now apt doesn't complain on anything, and i've runned dist-upgrade and upgrade without problems
[10:43] <Stanley00> qzio: hmm, I cant help you this time. Sorry.
[10:46] <ElTimo> Stanley00: I figured out why it's running hot.
[10:47] <ElTimo> Zeitgeist is using 100% of one core and 50% of another, constantly.
[10:47] <qzio> k, i typed in a faulty init= at the grub prompt, it gets to the part where it's supposed to do that, and then fails. same place as wthout any cusomt init= set.
[10:47] <BigW> Greetings
[10:47] <qzio> so I guess something is mega-wrong with my init scripts...
[10:48] <BigW> Uhm, what happened with regional settings in Beta1? I can't find an option to add more keyboard layouts
[10:48] <qzio> if I do init=/etc/init.d/rcS it does other stuff, but failes later on.
[10:48] <BigW> :/
[10:50] <Onlyodin> why does bugs.launchpad.net refer to the current +1 as "Oneiric Octopus"?
[10:57] <qzio> STiK: if oI do init=/etc/init-d/rc 2 it does some more stuff, but says init: Failed to coneect to socket /com/ubuntu/upstart: Connection refused
[10:58] <qzio> wo,sorry for wrong highlight
[11:09] <BigW> CTRL-ALT-T hotkey doens't work in beta1
[11:09] <BigW> :'(
[11:11] <Ian_Corne> does for me
[11:12]  * BigW bursts into tears.
[11:13] <BigW> I'll run an updatge
[11:19] <Onlyodin> unity doesn't work for me :P
[11:32] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[11:34] <FernandoMiguel> morning
[11:41] <Onlyodin> evening
[11:42] <Stanley00> Onlyodin: Good
[11:42] <Stanley00> *Good evening
 morning
[11:43] <Onlyodin> perhaps my evening isn't good?
[11:44] <FernandoMiguel> :)
[12:12] <vooze> I cant seem to make filezilla work in 11.10 (gnome shell) it can connect fine (ftp server) but when i start a transfer it just closes, any ideas?
[12:21] <Stanley00> hmm, oneiric updates nearly everyday, just update 13 hours ago, and now have new packages to update :))
[12:22] <penguin42> Stanley00: Welcome to the alpha series!
[12:22] <Onlyodin> Stanley00, sometimes even more often than that!
[12:23] <Stanley00> I think it is beta now? :))
[12:23] <Onlyodin> I think that just means there'll usually be less than 200 updates per day ;)
[12:25] <Stanley00> hmm, just need to restart... see ya!
[12:30] <BluesKaj> Onlyodin, had just 7 today
[12:31] <Onlyodin> I've had 6 since ~1:30pm, 9h ago
[12:31] <Stanley00> new USC is great! I love ubuntu's sweetests :))
[12:32] <BluesKaj> I'm hoping for a Kwin fix , my desktop windows are messed up , size settings don't mean a thing unless I maximize
[12:43] <vooze> I cant seem to make filezilla work in 11.10 (gnome shell) it can connect fine (ftp server) but when i start a transfer it just closes, any ideas? (UPDATE: just found out it works just fine in unity, it only in gnome shell its failing, any ideas?)
[12:43] <tomodachi> vooze: it could be permission relate
[12:43] <tomodachi> d
[12:43] <tomodachi> do you have perms to write to the location?
[12:44] <vooze> yes, tomodachi i'm just sending an .jpg to my ftp server, no big deal really
[12:44] <vooze> but its the whole program that closes, not just error or somthing
[12:45] <vooze> same thing if i try to transfer somthing from the server to my laptop
[13:26] <abandersnatch> so, whats the future of unity looking like? are we actually going to be able to run two applications at a time and have a normal application menu?
[13:26] <abandersnatch> like every other sane desktop in existance
[13:29] <IdleOne> abandersnatch: you might want to take a read http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/k2nvl/we_are_the_ubuntu_unity_development_team_we_3/ not sure if it answers your questions or not but might be useful
[13:30] <abandersnatch> reddit? srsly?
[13:30] <IdleOne> yup
[13:30] <abandersnatch> why not make a thread on 4chan... jesus...
[13:30] <IdleOne> heh
[13:30] <IdleOne> don't know, maybe ask them
[13:34] <abandersnatch> nothing there
[13:34] <abandersnatch> seriously, who the hell thought that searching for applications and giant icons would be a good idea?
[13:35] <IdleOne> abandersnatch: the design team
[13:36] <abandersnatch> were they high?
[13:36] <abandersnatch> I seriously can not see how anyone thought this would work
[13:37] <abandersnatch> "oh, well, when someone left clicks on applications. He will be given a choice. Either to search for the applications exact name. OR search threw 95 different icons and guess!"
[13:37] <IdleOne> you can change the size of the icons in ccsm
[13:37] <IdleOne> or you can use gnome3
[13:38] <IdleOne> or a different DE, not going to list them all.
[13:38] <abandersnatch> "what if they don't want to search threw 95 different icons?" "Well, they can refine it by left clicking" "isn't left clicking usually for changing options? not executing applications?" "maybe......"
[13:38] <IdleOne> point is you do have choices. Unity is not your cup of tea, try a different tea. :)
[13:38] <abandersnatch> its not the size, its the quanity. Making them smaller wouldn't help anything
[13:38] <abandersnatch> Its no ones cup of tea
[13:38] <IdleOne> apparently the design team disagrees
[13:39] <abandersnatch> the design team can think whatever they want, they are building a desktop for human beings, and human beings disagree
[13:39] <abandersnatch> human beings > design team
[13:40] <IdleOne> abandersnatch: not sure what else to tell you.  If you dont bitch, nothing ever gets done
[13:40] <IdleOne> I used gnome for ever and switched to kde because of not liking Unity.
[13:41] <bazhang> abandersnatch, any actual support questions? and watch the language
[13:41] <abandersnatch> well, no one ever did answer my question
[13:41] <IdleOne> you might want to give kde a fair shake, took me some time but I really like it now.
[13:41] <IdleOne> I did answer your question.
[13:42] <IdleOne> the answer was the design team decided.
[13:42] <abandersnatch> yeah, I used kde. I'm not fond of how they have 70 different ways to the same configuration options
[13:42] <IdleOne> guess there is no pleasing you :P
[13:42] <abandersnatch> so, you cant launch multiple instances of an application in the latest version as well?
[13:42] <IdleOne> yes you can
[13:42] <abandersnatch> ah, thats good
[13:43] <abandersnatch> but still no normal application list?
[13:43] <IdleOne> download the beta (see topic for link) and try it
[13:43] <IdleOne> normal? not like in gnome2 no.
[13:44] <abandersnatch> like in kde, gnome1, gnome 2, windows, osx, openbox, fluxbox, xfce, and lxde. Yes. Normal
[13:44] <IdleOne> right, no.
[13:44] <abandersnatch> ugh...
[13:44] <IdleOne> gnome is moving away from "normal"
[13:45] <abandersnatch> yeah, everyone is copying the iphone lately
[13:46] <qzio> is there some other channel that I can use for help regarding oneiric besides #ubuntu+1 ? is there some mailinglist or something?
[13:47] <IdleOne> qzio: look on http://lists.ubuntu.com
[13:48] <IdleOne> probably ubuntu-devel-discuss
[13:48] <qzio> IdleOne: ok, thanks.
[13:49] <IdleOne> sure thing
[13:54] <abandersnatch> cant you do feature requests?
[13:54] <bazhang> wishlist bug
[13:56] <IdleOne> abandersnatch: file a bug and in the title/description put WISHLIST.
[13:56] <vooze> I just installed beta1 today, but i cant get flash working.. java, codecs etc. is fine.. what could cause this?
[13:56] <abandersnatch> eh, I figured i would check to see if its there already
[14:03] <IdleOne> vooze: install flashplugin-downloader
[14:09] <qzio> is there some grub-command that needs to be runned after such stuff are changed?
[14:10] <IdleOne> update-grub
[14:11] <abandersnatch>  In what package did you find this bug?
[14:11] <abandersnatch> what should I put for this?
[14:11] <IdleOne> abandersnatch: if you aren't sure what package to file against use "ubuntu"
[14:12] <IdleOne> or unity perhaps would be better
[14:18] <longsleep> I am just playing around with Oneiric and the user switcher is applet is showing [Invalid UTF-8] in the tray - anyone got that before?
[14:19] <Stanley00> longsleep: I am too...
[14:19] <Stanley00> longsleep: but that's only on live CD, no more when install
[14:19] <longsleep> Stanley00: i am drinking Cuba Libre - maybe you should get one too?
[14:20] <longsleep> Stanley00: no - i upgraded an installed system
[14:22] <Stanley00> longsleep: I used fresh install for testing only, alongside with my natty :)
[14:23] <longsleep> Just found the issue - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-session/+bug/834137 - should probably be reopened
[14:23] <vooze> IdleOne: no go, seems it requires alot of gnome2 packages
[14:24] <vooze> or gtk2
[14:25] <IdleOne> vooze: you running 64 bit?
[14:25] <vooze> yes
[14:25] <IdleOne> there is a flashplugin64-installer
[14:25] <IdleOne> apt-cache search flash
[14:25] <jtaylor> only in a ppa
[14:26] <jtaylor> not in the official repo
[14:26] <longsleep> Btw - anyone can tell me how to disable the Guest Account login?
[14:26] <IdleOne> jtaylor: right. the sevenmachines PPA
[14:27] <IdleOne> vooze: http://ppa.launchpad.net/sevenmachines/flash/ubuntu/ oneiric/main amd64 Packages
[14:27] <vooze> IdleOne: thanks :) i'll try that
[14:28] <IdleOne> I'm using it and works for me < trademarked
[14:29] <longsleep> Sevenmachines 64bit flash works fine - i have been using it for months
[14:30] <vooze> works now ;) thanks guys
[14:30] <Milos_SD> Hi
[14:31] <Milos_SD> Oneiric doesn't have libpulse-browser and padevchooser packages, why?
[14:33] <jtaylor> probably because they have been removed in debian
[14:34] <Milos_SD> As I can see, there was padevchooser in oneiric, but then it was removed in june
[14:36] <lcb> Hi. any special procedure to correctly compile module vmmon in order to run VMware?
[15:17] <san> my usb modem is not getting connect in ubuntu 11.10
[15:17] <san> help me
[15:18] <san> anybody is here
[15:32] <utusan> why would gnome-shell depends on libtelepathy?  Is that how it communicate with the OS?
[15:32] <Adys> its for the user comms menu
[15:33] <utusan> I thought ibus or dbus does that
[15:33] <Adys> it does both local and online presence
[15:34] <utusan> ???
[15:34] <Adys> eg xmpp status, this sort of thing
[15:34] <Adys> i dont remember everything, ive been on kde ever since gnome became terrible :)
[15:35] <utusan> I thought telepathy is about voip or some sort
[15:36] <Adys> no, telepathy is a communication framework
[15:36] <Adys> http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/
[15:36] <BluesKaj> Adys, gnome has never really appealed to me , but Kwin is a mess on my machine atm , so desktops of all sorts seem to have problems on 11.10
[15:36] <Adys> BluesKaj: you dont have to use kwin
[15:37] <utusan> but why would a desktop session has to do with it?
[15:37] <BluesKaj> yeah, but it's familiar
[15:37] <Adys> i use openbox personally, but i'd recommend metacity; openbox can be a pain to deal with
[15:37] <Adys> utusan: telepathy is used in the gnome presence menu
[15:38] <Adys> which communicates online presence (eg pidgin integration etc) as well as desktop presence (wrt other users)
[15:38] <utusan> Adys, ok
[15:38] <Adys> long story short it's useless
[15:40] <utusan> Adys, exactly.. there are so many stuff being tied up. so hard to trim off things that are not needed
[15:40] <BluesKaj> Adys, gtk isn't where i wan to go .. KDE 4.7.1. will be released next week , Ill wait
[15:41] <Adys> utusan: Ya, even kde is becoming pretty bloated lately. I started compiling kde and disabling all the soprano and other semantic desktop BS, runs much much better since
[15:41] <utusan> I mostly use kubuntu but have been exploring gnome-shell this cycle
[15:41] <Adys> kdelibs needs a --disable-buzzwords
[15:42] <utusan> Adys, yeah.. especially that nepomuk/akonadi crap
[15:42] <Adys> Ya, i got all that disabled
[15:42] <Adys> http://dpaste.com/608173/
[15:43] <utusan> disabling is not enough.  there is always that akonadi server feeder for kontact/korganizer running
[15:43] <utusan> so I just moved the bin's out
[15:43] <Adys> disabling at compile time is enough
[15:43] <utusan> lucky you but I haven't got the time to compile yet
[15:43] <utusan> maybve if it get's worse
[15:44] <Adys> the main problem of compiling is, if you compile kde, you can't get kde apps from the repo anymore, you'll have to compile those too
[15:44] <Adys> it doesnt bother me because i use very few kde-dependent apps
[15:45] <Adys> it did take me a few hours to get it all running, but it was worth it; i dont have to deal with tons of stupid dependencies anymore and i can update to latest whenever i want
[15:45] <utusan> Adys, did you get the src direct or from kubuntu
[15:46] <Adys> direct from kde's git
[15:46] <utusan> Adys, I have been looking at techbase but seems the instruct are kind of outdated
[15:46] <Adys> yeah they are
[15:46] <Adys> i can help you if you want
[15:46] <Adys> but in pm, not in this chan
[15:47] <utusan> Adys, thanks but sometimes. any links would be appreciated
[15:47] <Adys> http://projects.kde.org/projects
[15:48] <Adys> git repos are under the format git://anongit.kde.org/kdelibs
[15:48] <utusan> ty..
[15:48] <utusan> I might look into that
[15:48] <Adys> you'll want attica, automoc and phonon as dependencies, and kde is kdelibs, kde-runtime and kde-baseapps
[15:49] <Adys> to build: cd kdelibs; mkdir build; cd build; cmake ..; make
[15:49] <utusan> which DE you use? kdevelop
[15:49]  * penguin42 thinks he has just amanged to do a full KDE build actually - using kdesrc-build
[15:49] <Adys> IDE you mean?
[15:49] <utusan> yes
[15:50] <Adys> kdevelop, but i dont use any to compile kde
[15:50] <utusan> just konsole?  I wanted to tweak dolphin bec any invalid links doesn't get refreshed
[15:51] <Adys> um, i just use kate to edit text files if thats what you mean
[15:51] <Adys> i dont tweak kde
[15:51] <Adys> cmake -L presents you with a list of modifiable compile-time variables
[15:52] <utusan> dolphin annoys me bec I have to do a reload in order to read now-valid links
[15:52] <Adys> you wont be able to fix that one easily
[15:53] <utusan> why not?  just add a call to reload whenever you open a folder?
[15:53] <Adys> huh?
[15:53] <utusan> in the code of course
[15:53] <Adys> what's your issue exactly?
[15:54] <utusan> I have links to partition that are not mounted.  however, when mounted they are still invalid
[15:55] <Adys> even if you refresh?
[15:56] <utusan> If I open the folder it should refresh but it won't until I reload (F5)
[15:56] <Adys> never had that issue
[15:57] <utusan> you probably just didn't notice
[15:58] <utusan> create a link to a partiton. unmount that partition and see that it's still valid
[15:58] <utusan> same thing the other way around
[16:06] <lcb> where's in the forum should i put the solution for VMware "Unable to build kernel module" "Failed to compile module vmmon!"?
[16:09] <utusan> Adys, did you start with a minimal ubuntu install? I'll prep a system and I might take you on the offer later in the pm?
[16:09] <Adys> utusan: this is a very old install; but i had the full kde suite installed
[16:10] <Adys> all your stuff should go in /usr/local either way, so it doesnt matter
[16:10] <Adys> i just compiled and installed everything, apt-get purged every trace of kde libs and restarted x
[16:10] <utusan> Adys, ok..will talk later if I get stuck
[16:10] <Adys> sure
[16:11] <utusan> which one gets compiled first? kdelibs
[16:11] <Adys> kdelibs, but youll run into the small attica, phonon and automoc dependencies
[16:11] <utusan> Adys, ok.. brb..got to do some errands
[16:18] <lcb> where should i post the solution for VMware "Unable to build kernel module" "Failed to compile module vmmon!"?
[16:18] <vooze> Hey, trying to install globalmenu alpha5 in gnome shell (ubuntu 11.10) following this guide: http://www.webupd8.org/2011/09/get-global-menu-in-gnome-shell.html   - but the get this error: http://pastebin.com/wAkBTBXF (step5)
[16:24] <leotr> hi! zeitgeist-daemon process uses about 50% of cpu. Why could that be?
[16:53] <olegb> hm, i cannot install flashplugin-nonfree on Oneiric
[16:57] <debfx> olegb: it has been replaced by flashplugin-installer
[16:58] <olegb> debfx: oh, do I have to do something to get flash working (which it doesnt right now) ?
[16:59] <debfx> olegb: not if you have installed flashplugin-installer
[16:59] <BluesKaj> olegb, 64 bit ?
[17:00] <olegb> BluesKaj, 32bit
[17:01] <olegb> dang - it works now :-)
[17:01] <olegb> thanks guys !
[17:01] <BluesKaj> ole ok install flashplugin-installer as debfx says
[17:01] <BluesKaj> olegb,^
[18:42] <FernandoMiguel> anyone has any idea how does one change the handle of @Ubuntu.com ?
[18:45] <rww> FernandoMiguel: change your launchpad username
[18:46] <FernandoMiguel> already did
[18:46] <rww> FernandoMiguel: it should update sometime in the next day or so, then
[18:46] <FernandoMiguel> I guess ill give it 12-24h now
[18:46] <FernandoMiguel> for the script to update it
[18:48] <oCean> update script runs every 48hrs
[18:49] <FernandoMiguel> okay
[18:49] <FernandoMiguel> ill wait
[18:49] <FernandoMiguel> im in NO hurry
[18:49] <FernandoMiguel> just upgrading all my online presences to represent the new Identity
[18:49] <FernandoMiguel> PITA
[18:55] <BluesKaj> what's a good method of protecting either by encryption and/or permissions a text file that holds sensitive information ? Haven't had to do this for yrs .since my windows days at work
[19:00] <jtaylor> gpg --encrypt
[19:00] <FernandoMiguel> BluesKaj: I used to encfs
[19:01] <jtaylor> --symmetric if you ahve no key
[19:01] <FernandoMiguel> but now it's all in the NAS so I don't care
[19:01] <FernandoMiguel> yeah, gpg is probably your best bet
[19:02] <urlin2u> BluesKaj, put the stuff on a thumb or usb and use truecrypt
[19:02] <urlin2u> BluesKaj, or as suggested http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=895038
[19:06] <mikedep333> is us.archive.ubuntu.com going really slow for anybody else?
[19:07] <mikedep333> it may be a performance issue on update-manager for me ATM
[19:12] <rww> mikedep333: I've been noticing osuosl.org is slow recently, and that's one of the us.archive mirrors, so it's probably not just you.
[19:12] <mikedep333> rww, ok, thanks
[19:16] <BluesKaj> jtaylor, gpg works for me ..quick access . but not so easy as give away the info without a fight :)
[19:29] <FernandoMiguel> here is a question for the bolds ones:
[19:29] <FernandoMiguel> how safe/crazy is to rename the main user/admin of Linux?
[19:30] <FernandoMiguel> and I don't mean the Name/alias
[19:30] <FernandoMiguel> I refer to the actual shadow user
[19:30] <sebsebseb> hi
[19:30] <FernandoMiguel> hey sebsebseb
[19:31] <sebsebseb> FernandoMiguel: hi
[19:31] <pdtpatrick> Hi .. The old way of installing themes no longer works. What's the new way? Do you have to manually install it in /usr/share ?
[19:31] <nothingspecial> Error with apt-get E: The package adobeair needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
[19:32] <pdtpatrick> nothingspecial, go to adobe.com and then click on install flash .. they will give u a file for apt-get .. once you install that .. in software centre you will then be able to install adobeair
[19:32] <pdtpatrick> or u can just do sudo apt-get install adobeair
[19:32] <nothingspecial> pdtpatrick: ok, thanks
[19:37] <EgyParadox> j #ubuntu-motu
[19:41] <chilicui1> hi there, we're currently running an ugj, and most of our users have the same question, what's the default passwrd in the livecd?, they're running unity 3d but when logout to try unity2d the system ask him a passwrd
[19:41] <rww> chilicui1: theoretically, username: ubuntu, blank password
[19:41] <rww> people have issues with it every so often, though, I forget whether there's a resolution
[19:42] <nothingspecial> pdtpatrick: Thanks. All is now good
[19:42] <chilicui1> rww: ok, another issue, the boton 'restart' is not available
[19:43] <urlin2u> chilicui1, it is in the gui confirming.
[19:43] <robin0800> chilicui1, its in the shutdown menu thig that appears
[19:44] <chilicui1> robin0800: ook, urlin2u confirmed, it was moved
[19:44] <chilicui1> omg, thanks a loooot!
[19:49] <pdtpatrick> nothingspecial, .. glad to have helped :)
[20:03] <gnomie> whats the open source video driver..?
[20:13] <mongy> how can I disable some of the startup apps, as it seems the startup applications app doesnt list any of them, like update manager, etc
[20:15] <gnomie> hm.. system settings seems to be mildly borked here
[20:16] <gnomie> there it is.. found bug
[20:17]  * gnomie stalks bug
[20:19] <trism> mongy: they are all set to NoDisplay=true by default, but you can copy the one you want to edit from /etc/xdg/autostart to ~/.config/autostart and remove the NoDisplay line and it will show up in gnome-session-properties (I am unsure if there is an easier way to ignore the setting on all the files)
[20:20] <mongy> hmm.  everything got a little harder with gnome3 lol
[20:20] <mongy> ok thanks
[20:23] <Monotoko> hey guys...my computer seems to be having issues with oneiric, the mouse will sometimes just completely stop doing anything for 2-3 seconds...minor, but very annoying...what would cause it?
[20:23] <Monotoko> (4GB RAM and a dual core processor...so I should be able to handle it?)
[20:28] <BluesKaj> Monotoko, check system monitor , something could be hogging cpu
[20:29] <Monotoko> BluesKaj, yeah...CPU1 keeps jumping up by about 30% when it happens
[20:29] <Monotoko> how do I find out which process?
[20:34] <BluesKaj> Monotoko, 30% cpu load shouldn't cause a cursor lag
[20:35] <Monotoko> BluesKaj, it increases by 30%...so it gets to 50/60% for 2 secs
[20:35] <BluesKaj> Monotoko, process table tab
[20:35] <Monotoko> BluesKaj, I've looked...nothing comes up as using 30% of the CPU in those 2 secs
[20:36] <Monotoko> it just jumped from 4% to 50%...lagged me...but still nothing came up in the processes :s
[20:44] <x0r> BluesKaj, do I need to burn a iso of the beat to install it, or can I just do some live update with the "get-apt instal/update" command
[20:44] <x0r> BluesKaj, do I need to burn a iso of the *beta* to install it, or can I just do some live update with the "get-apt instal/update" command
[20:44] <IdleOne> x0r: the link in the topic explains how to upgrade
[20:45] <x0r> I'm lazy and want to do the easiest method
[20:45] <jtaylor> x0r: you can upgrade from 11.04
[20:45] <x0r> okay, I will read the wiki
[20:45] <IdleOne> not the safest/smartest?
[20:45] <IdleOne> because easy is not always = to safest
[20:45] <x0r> well, I am at the very beginning
[20:46] <x0r> nothing of importance yet install on server
[20:46] <x0r> so easy works, lol
[20:47] <x0r> bought a box and could not use the stable releases caue the box I have has sandy brodeg
[20:47] <Monotoko> :(
[20:47] <x0r> so beta 3 was sucessessful
[20:48] <x0r> then some issue with networkmanager and the linksys switch caused abusive network timeouts
[20:49] <x0r> bypassing the linksys switch, thanks to  clue from BluesKaj, and I can actually use the server remotley
[20:49] <BluesKaj> x0r, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade,
[20:49] <x0r> thanks
[20:51] <BluesKaj> x0r, then do , sudo apt-get dist-upgrade . if there are any packages being held back
[20:51] <x0r> awesome
[20:51] <x0r> I love the easy clues
[20:51] <x0r> I am stupid except for the crap that doesn;t work
[20:52] <x0r> then I get an education
[20:52] <x0r> if it works i know nothing
[20:52] <kkuno> hi
[20:52] <jtaylor> x0r: you can upgrade from 11.04
[20:52] <jtaylor> ups wrong window
[20:53] <kkuno> i'm trying to change workspace using a shortcut...
[20:53] <kkuno> how can I do this?
[20:53] <x0r> well, off to drink some more beer
[20:53] <x0r> thanks again BluesKaj
[20:54] <BluesKaj> x0r, the command line is quicker than opening a package manager as long as you know what you want to install
[20:54] <x0r> nad jtaylor
[20:54] <x0r> and jayne
[20:54] <x0r> and jtaylor  actually
[20:55] <x0r> i use command line, cause, this is a compile box
[20:55] <x0r> gui is for wussies
[20:56] <robin0800> kkuno, its window key + s then the cursor keys
[20:57] <jakemp> I'm getting dual monitors working with the beta, but I cannot have the top of an application window above the top of the lower monitor
[20:57] <jakemp> and if I try, the window gets shrunk, and the controlls get stripped off of it, so I cannot move it or resize it.
[20:58] <Monotoko> hmmm... Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07)
[20:58] <Monotoko> could it be graphics issues?
[20:58] <Monotoko> what can I do to make it run smoother?
[21:00] <BluesKaj> Monotoko, sorry dunno much about intel graphics
[21:02] <kkdue> robin0800, it would be good to change left right with one combination only
[21:02] <kkdue> but I can't find anymore the compiz setting
[21:04] <mongy> Monotoko, there's that vsync option in compizconfig that helps a lot..
[21:04] <mongy> that one really knows how to turn my 1gb ati 4650 into a dog
[21:50] <jtaylor> ._. it happend again, 650 packages to remove and I press enter ._.
[21:50] <jtaylor> I really must read the damn text before pressing
[21:53] <billybigrigger> :O
[21:57] <kkdue> hmmm I wonder why in ubuntu 11.04 I could change all compiz options and now I can't
[21:57] <kkdue> scale plugin doesn't work
[21:58] <kkdue> I can't change the workspace directly through keyboard
[22:00] <FernandoMiguel> kkdue: lots of time compiz dies
[22:00] <FernandoMiguel> reload it
[22:00] <FernandoMiguel> beware it can crash your session
[22:01] <kkdue> Feldegast, compiz is working
[22:02] <kkdue> but many settings don't work
[22:02] <kkdue> try to set the scale plugin and append to an edge of the screen
[22:02] <kkdue> it won't work
[22:04] <FernandoMiguel> do you have unity plugin enable?
[22:04] <FernandoMiguel> and what the heck did you just called me?
[22:07] <robin0800> FernandoMiguel, tab complete problem I think
[22:09] <FernandoMiguel> robin ah
[22:20] <mongy> setting compiz stuff to an edge in 11.10 is much like 11.04, it works and then all of a sudden it doesn't, until you logout/login or set the bind again
[22:21] <mongy> I only now use edges because edge+buttons dont work since 11.04.
[23:37] <DonaldShimoda> hi
[23:37] <DonaldShimoda> question, ubuntu 11.10 still use unity?
[23:37] <penguin42> yes
[23:38] <DonaldShimoda> penguin42, and how many release more will have it? just to know when to come back to ubuntu...
[23:39] <jtaylor> every one
[23:39] <penguin42> DonaldShimoda: Hey I can't read the future - I just moved my other machine to KDE4 instead
[23:39] <jtaylor> until unity 2 or so comes along
[23:39] <DonaldShimoda> jtaylor, people, theres really thinking unity is good? wake up!
[23:39] <jtaylor> yes
[23:40] <penguin42> DonaldShimoda: I agree with you it's horrid; but people have been bitching on here about it for probably a year now and it's not changed much, so just switch to something else
[23:40] <rww> yes, because Ubuntu forces you to use Unity and all.
[23:40] <bazhang> heh
[23:40] <DonaldShimoda> penguin42, im still have 10.04 LTS installed and wiork like a charm
[23:40] <bazhang> DonaldShimoda, then stay on it
[23:40] <DonaldShimoda> my fears come when this version go out of support
[23:41] <DonaldShimoda> bazhang, i hope before 2013 somebody kill unity
[23:41] <bazhang> DonaldShimoda, not going to happen
[23:41] <jtaylor> won't happen
[23:41] <penguin42> unfortunately I agree
[23:42] <bazhang> DonaldShimoda, you dont like unity, use something else. wishing for its death will do nothing
[23:42] <DonaldShimoda> maybe something better comes, be optimistic
[23:42] <jtaylor> yes because thats so simple
[23:42] <DonaldShimoda> bazhang, what other things?
[23:42] <Lynoure> DonaldShimoda: better can come even without a project dying
[23:42] <bazhang> DonaldShimoda, all the other DE etc
[23:42] <DonaldShimoda> Lynoure, agree, unity sucks on the ther hand
[23:43] <jtaylor> ubuntu has lots of choice besides unity, gnome3, kde, xfce, lsomething
[23:43] <Lynoure> DonaldShimoda: I would not know, I use KDE/Kubuntu
[23:43] <DonaldShimoda> bazhang, name they
[23:43] <bazhang> DonaldShimoda, check your package manager
[23:43] <DonaldShimoda> Lynoure, happens even gnome in 11.04 is SLOW
[23:43] <Lynoure> DonaldShimoda: like I said, would not know.
[23:43] <bazhang> jtaylor, lxde + openbox = lubuntu
[23:43] <DonaldShimoda> seems like ubuntu effort os all over unity
[23:43] <Lynoure> DonaldShimoda: I don't use gnome, I use KDE
[23:43] <jtaylor> thx, meant that
[23:43] <DonaldShimoda> i like gnome, but becomes slow on new versions
[23:44] <DonaldShimoda> Lynoure, i love gnome , sorry
[23:44] <bazhang> DonaldShimoda, gnome2 is gone. time to move on
[23:44] <DonaldShimoda> ok, just to check, i see nobody likes unity, who promote iot for start!!!!!
[23:44] <DonaldShimoda> i dont get it
[23:44] <DonaldShimoda> bazhang, why?
[23:44] <DonaldShimoda> where gfone?
[23:44] <jtaylor> quite a few do like it, and those that don't simple use something else
[23:45] <jtaylor> so stop whining
[23:45] <bazhang> DonaldShimoda, file a wishlist bug then. this is not the place to rant about hating unity
[23:45]  * Lynoure refuses to be anecdotal evidence for 'everybody'
[23:45] <DonaldShimoda> well, is a free place so i free to say: i hat unity, horrible UI
[23:46] <DonaldShimoda> now im going out
[23:46] <DonaldShimoda> thanks people,i feel free
[23:46] <DonaldShimoda> bye!
[23:46] <bazhang> ...
[23:46]  * rww rolls eyes
[23:46] <Lynoure> yet all show no part.
[23:49] <penguin42> hmm there really should be somewhere that people can say what they think about Unity - I know this isn't the place but it feels like there should be someone listening somewhere
[23:50] <jtaylor> brainstorm?
[23:50] <penguin42> I've never actually looked around there
[23:51] <bazhang>  /dev/null
[23:51] <DonaldShimoda> penguin42, say with me!
[23:52] <bazhang> DonaldShimoda, lets move on please. this is not the place
[23:52] <DonaldShimoda> penguin42, i tell you, ubuntu is lossing users cause unity
[23:52] <bazhang> !ot | DonaldShimoda
[23:52] <DonaldShimoda> bazhang, whats your problem?
[23:52] <billybigrigger> his problem is that this isn't the forum for discussing how much you hate unity
[23:52] <bazhang> DonaldShimoda, this is a support channel, and for reporting. testing bugs etc. not ranting
[23:53] <DonaldShimoda> bazhang, ok, i need to report a problem. the nrew version interface have a few errors by design
[23:53] <DonaldShimoda> LOL
[23:53] <billybigrigger> file a bug report
[23:53] <billybigrigger> DonaldShimoda, launchpad.net
[23:53] <DonaldShimoda> billybigrigger, good idea, i will do
[23:53] <bazhang> DonaldShimoda, I told you to file a wishlist bug.
[23:54] <DonaldShimoda> what a lack of humor people
[23:54] <DonaldShimoda> good bye


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[01:23] <bjsnider> i don't understand the alias created by the fglrx package. it says "alias fglrx fglrx"
[01:23] <bjsnider> that whole section of the rules file is weird
[01:24] <bjsnider> it's using variables, but they're being filled manually, not from out-of-control stuff
[01:24] <bjsnider> i guess it would make sense if there was an alternate package with a different name than fglrx, like fglrx-updates or whatever
[01:25] <bjsnider> but those could be different packaging scripts with different code
[01:32] <bjsnider> PKG_driver      := fglrx
[01:32] <bjsnider> PKG_module      := $(shell echo "$(PKG_driver)" | sed s/\-/_/g)
[01:32] <bjsnider> don't know why that sed is in there
[01:33] <bjsnider> it yields fglrx
[01:33] <bjsnider> alias fglrx $(PKG_module)
[01:33] <bjsnider> that is alias fglrx fglrx
[04:40] <mlankhorst> morning
[08:07] <tjaalton> mlankhorst: new test branch from whot
[08:10] <mlankhorst> \o/
[08:11] <mlankhorst> oh and he fixed up the conflict correctly now, good :)
[08:12] <tjaalton> it's rebased with master I think
[08:12] <tjaalton> the branch
[08:14] <mlankhorst>     dix: always copy grabs, don't reference them
[08:14] <mlankhorst> that one should fix the issue I was facing
[08:14] <mlankhorst>     FIXME dix: remove TouchListenerGone hook
[08:14] <mlankhorst> don't know about that one, seems to be a hack
[08:18] <mlankhorst> ok let me build this on the n7
[08:23] <tjaalton> building it straight or backported to 1.13+
[08:23] <tjaalton> ?
[08:23] <mlankhorst> straight + reverts
[08:24] <tjaalton> right
[08:24] <mlankhorst> I applied the reverts first then merged it in again
[08:29] <mlankhorst> ok, nexus seems to be working now
[08:29] <mlankhorst> lets see if i can build it..
[09:14] <tjaalton> huh, unpacking ubuntu-docs seems to kill i/o on my machines
[09:23] <mlankhorst> woops, forgot to enable debug, it doesn't crash but it seems that it still fails on touch after a while
[09:23] <tjaalton> bah
[09:24] <tjaalton> thanks for testing
[09:24] <tjaalton> i've now uploaded plymouth to -proposed
[09:24] <mlankhorst> or well, right away
[09:24] <tjaalton> lightdm follows
[09:24] <mlankhorst> I'll try with --enable-debug
[09:24] <mlankhorst> \o/
[09:24] <mlankhorst> fwiw, if we have the libdrm sru verified we could upload lts-raring to precise
[09:25] <tjaalton> yeah
[09:25] <mlankhorst> it builds on i386 and amd64, I disabled build for armel/armhf since that was unsupported anyway
[09:37] <tjaalton> nice, apt-get autoremove cleans up old kernels
[09:37] <tjaalton> also, it just occurred to me that I hadn't tested the new plymouth job on my desktop at all, before now :)
[09:38] <tjaalton> 3/3 successful boots though
[09:38] <tjaalton> 4
[09:39] <tjaalton> after the tenth I'll call it a success and upload lightdm too
[09:39] <mlankhorst> yay
[09:43] <tjaalton> 10
[11:53] <mlankhorst> I guess I'll go verify libdrm works across all we care about..
[13:21] <tjaalton> mlankhorst: add your findings to the touch bug :)
[13:22] <mlankhorst> I told whot in private, he knows
[13:22] <mlankhorst> 11:43 <whot> really? that's a new instance of that bug then because it passes all the tests
[13:22] <mlankhorst> 11:43 <whot> well, all except one, which is probably what you're seeing
[13:22] <mlankhorst> 11:44 <whot> actually, that even makes sense - you triggered the bug when ungrabbing during a touch point and that's the test case I just added and it fails atm
[13:24] <mlankhorst> it was the same testcase that crashed before :-)
[13:26] <tjaalton> ah, good