[04:59] <andrew> Yikes: http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/lfsbh/unitys_lens_just_got_a_whole_new_meaning_for_me/
[05:26] <beta0x64> holy cow
[05:28] <andrew> Even after trying Unity for a few months when 11.04 came out, I can't any advantages to using it on a desktop over standard gnome (or perhaps xfce, which I need to visit)
[05:43] <beta0x64> because mark shuttleworth blessed it from space
[05:43] <beta0x64> duh
[05:53] <InHisName> is there an equiv to Windows "task mgr" in ubuntu ?     I need to see what's running and ps -ef shows too much and can't tell what's messing with BaseroDiskBurner for it to not start at all.
[05:54] <beta0x64> I believe System Monitor
[06:18] <InHisName> perfect.   yep it was running.  I killed it from there.
[06:19] <InHisName> Used to be along the bottom was all the running apps.  I could click on those to bring them to show on desktop.  Then I could gracefully close app or whatever.
[06:20] <InHisName> Some running apps show in unity bar, but obviously not all of them.
[06:37] <InHisName> My trashed up backup machine    is now being 'updated' by alternate CD 11.10.   It wants to re-partition the drive.   How to use the same parts as before:   /boot / and /home    lastly the swap    NOT to reformat but just to rewrite so I get full set of 11.10 and not 3/4 of it and 1/4 of old 11.04  which does not boot.
[06:43] <beta0x64> dude
[06:44] <beta0x64> I would just copy everything of value and rewrite
[06:44] <beta0x64> :[
[09:53] <rmg51> Morning
[09:55] <JonathanD> Morning.
[10:15] <rmg51> 0/
[10:15] <JonathanD> hey rmg51
[10:15] <JonathanD> going to come zooing with us?
[10:15] <rmg51> depends on the day
[10:15] <JonathanD> Dec 3rd.
[10:16] <jackson> morning
[10:16] <rmg51> I have vocal cord surgery on Dec. 1st
[10:16] <JonathanD> Does this mean you'll come, but be very quiet? :)
[10:16] <rmg51> I won't be talking for at least a week
[10:18] <rmg51> I don't really like the idea of going to a social event and not being able to talk
[10:18] <rmg51> 0/
[10:18] <rmg51> \0
[10:18] <rmg51> ^ the total of my conversations
[10:21] <rmg51> and I still need a ride to and from the hospital
[10:21] <JonathanD> You could bring flash cards!
[10:22] <JonathanD> I
[10:22] <JonathanD> like
[10:22] <JonathanD> the
[10:22] <JonathanD> monkeys.
[10:22] <JonathanD> rmg51: I'm sure someone here can be arranged to take you there.
[10:22] <JonathanD> to the hosp, I mean
[10:23] <rmg51> I still have to call a friend of my mom's who can usually take me
[10:24] <rmg51> others live to far away
[10:24] <JonathanD> http://geeknic.org/?p=159
[10:24] <rmg51> I may have to be there as early as 6 am
[10:24] <JonathanD> Fun :)
[10:25] <rmg51> I won't sign up, but I may be a drop in
[10:27] <JonathanD> sign up is mostly so I can email people plan changes.
[10:27] <JonathanD> and potentially for the group rate thing.
[10:30] <JonathanD> updated with zoo links
[10:32] <rmg51> if this was just a "tour" of the zoo I would have no problem with it
[10:32] <JonathanD> We can do a tour for $5 extra
[10:32] <JonathanD> per person
[10:32] <rmg51> if we get together for a social time that leaves me out
[10:33] <JonathanD> yeah :/
[10:33] <JonathanD> rmg51: next time? :)
[10:33] <JonathanD> We'll probably do one in spring.
[10:33] <rmg51> do it a week later and i will be trying to talk :P
[10:34] <JonathanD> I don't wanna go much further into dec. Too cold
[10:34] <JonathanD> 3rd is too cold as it is.
[10:34] <JonathanD> we'll do it in mid feb. Bring your snow shoes.
[10:34] <rmg51> I guess I'll just sleep in that day
[10:34] <JonathanD> Sorry :)
[10:35] <JonathanD> Would you like me to get you a stick alligator triggery thing?
[10:35] <rmg51> I still have to wait till after the surgery to know my restrictions
[10:36] <rmg51> Teddy can talk more then I could
[10:36] <rmg51> ok, breakfast time
[10:36] <JonathanD> have fun.
[10:47] <JonathanD> I am hungry :/
[12:08] <teddy-dbear> morning
[13:48] <InHisName> I have /boot  ,  /  ,  /home, and  swap directories.   ubuntu is 0.7*11.10 and 0.3*11.04 and wont boot, says / is not good.    I now have CD burned with i386.iso for 11.10.   How to KEEP /home ok and not reformat any of the partitions ?    I'm at point  where it seems to demand partitioning.  Not sure of next few steps.
[13:49] <InHisName> Oh, yes, good morning to you all
[13:54] <jthan> Morning
[13:54] <jthan> InHisName: it should allow you to keep your old /home
[13:55] <jthan> you may lose the rest, not sure. I haven't used the installer in a long time.
[13:55] <jthan> what do you mean by .7*11.10 and .3*11.04?
[13:55] <InHisName> That is what I thought too.   It seems to be demanding new partitions.   70% one 30% other
[13:56] <InHisName> boogered up upgrade
[13:57] <anduril> Couldnt you just do a manual install with no /home (instead it'll put /home in /) and then when you get setup and logged in you move your home from the internal home to the seperate partition?
[13:57] <InHisName> Its not my primary compter, just one to fall back to when main is on fritz.
[13:57] <InHisName> Good thought, anduril
[13:57] <jthan> anduril: That's actually a good idea, and it didn't cross my mind.
[13:58] <anduril> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Partitioning/Home/Moving
[13:58] <jthan> But you need to make sure it doesn't reformat your old /home
[13:58] <anduril> as long as you uncheck that partition in the installer it shouldnt touch it
[13:58] <InHisName> I have the partitions identified as to which is which
[13:58] <jthan> Again, the last time I used the Ubuntu installer was probably... 8.x? Maybe 9.x
[13:58] <InHisName> Been a while for me too.
[13:59] <InHisName> I thought there was some kind of 'upgrade' option with alternate CD.  But I have not seen it yet.
[14:00] <InHisName> Just install, live  CD boot and few variants is all.
[14:01] <anduril> honestly last time I did this was on arch on my netbook but once you get past the install the /home migration is pretty much the same across all distros
[14:02] <jthan> You still use arch?
[14:02] <anduril> no it was too much work lol I have crunchbang on the netbook now
[14:03] <jthan> I was a gentoo user on and off
[14:07] <anduril> I messed around with gentoo back on my first pc build in like 2001. that was...painful on AMD K6-3 450
[14:08] <jthan> I could see that happening..
[14:08] <jthan> once you get your "initial" compiles done, it isn't too bad
[14:08] <anduril> I think it took 3 days to compile either gnome or X11
[14:08] <jthan> I used to just let my updates go every night
[14:08] <jthan> Well I've got a 2.5GhZ quad core and it took me a good 10 hours
[14:08] <jthan> so don't feel too bda
[14:08] <jthan> bad*
[14:09] <anduril> I just put the original case I used out on the curb hopefully someone can use it. Inwin Q500 freakin tank of a full tower. Sadly it'd be too much work to make into a useable tower anymore
[14:10] <jthan> :-(
[14:10] <InHisName> tossing some heavy iron, anduril ?
[14:11] <JonathanD> jthan: go to zoo?
[14:11] <anduril> yea it was 30+ lbs of pure rolled steel
[14:19] <rmg51> InHisName: the alt upgrade option is only good if you can boot to the desktop
[14:19] <InHisName> oh, how disappointing.
[14:19] <InHisName> Can't boot to desktop, wont boot.
[14:20] <anduril> what error are you getting? or it just hangs?
[14:20] <InHisName> Wow, that's some HEAVY case.   I lost lotta desire for it now.
[14:21] <InHisName> Says / is not good enough to mount.    But it does not say OS missing.
[14:22] <anduril> can you boot into single user mode and then run a fsck of the file system?
[14:22] <InHisName> no it can't mount the / and /boot and /home and whatever.
[14:23] <InHisName> If I say 'manual' mount, I think I get linux running but unsure if any HD spindles are used.  Might all be ram disk.
[14:24] <InHisName> I tried reading results of  $mount    but nothing familiar.     NO /sda'n'/ something
[14:25] <InHisName> /dev/sda'n'/
[14:25] <anduril> are all your partitions on the same hd?
[14:26] <InHisName> yes
[14:26] <InHisName> swap too
[14:26] <anduril> run any tests of the HD to see if its having problems?
[14:26] <InHisName> reboot live CD to run tests ?
[14:27] <anduril> I think the live cd really only has a memory tester. you'd want to use your hard drive manufactorers test tool
[14:27] <anduril> fairly sure ubuntu only reads the smart data and smart...really isnt that smart
[14:27] <InHisName> Everything was fine until the update mgr got messed up with upgrade.
[14:55] <pavel__> hello
[15:16] <InHisName> hello pavel__
[15:16] <pavel__> whats up
[15:21] <MutantTurkey> bajaa freshhh
[15:32] <InHisName> Ghaaaahhh,  doing manual setup for partitions during install, I could not figure out how to set the flags to continue.   Finally gave up and went with guided partitioning.    It auto set them the way I needed them.  Now continuing.
[15:33] <InHisName> K for keep, no format( /,  /boot,  &  /home).    F for reformat (swap only)
[15:34] <InHisName> well, pavel__ what's up with you today.   I am on upgrading machine #2 for 2nd time.
[15:35] <pavel__> well i foiund a 3d library for android that i havent looked at yet
[15:35] <pavel__> which reminds me, i was so pissed. i have a headless ubuntu box as my home router/gateway, vpn, ftp etc
[15:36] <pavel__> and its fan broke, so the cpu overheated, and it wouldnt restart. in trying to replace the computer, i brokje a pentium celeron
[15:36] <pavel__> but ended up using its fan
[15:36] <pavel__> so its all kosher now
[15:36] <pavel__> this all happend right after an upgrade
[15:41] <InHisName> Swell time huh?
[15:41] <InHisName> I had fan go in my router/firewall/voipphone too.
[15:41] <InHisName> I overheated and stopped.
[15:41] <InHisName> *It
[15:42] <pavel__> yeah, what was convenient tho
[15:42] <pavel__> is that after i let it kool
[15:42] <pavel__> it works fine
[15:42] <InHisName> I changed the fan opps the whole  power supply and gave it a try,  WOW it booted and has been working since.
[15:43] <pavel__> i was really worreid bc i dont think i have another p4 lying around, and my main other option was to downgrade to a p3
[15:43] <InHisName> s/opps/oops/
[15:43] <pavel__> the fan opps?
[15:44] <InHisName> The supply was toasted.
[15:44] <pavel__> ooh
[15:45] <pavel__> i thought there was a simple way to mess with the fans settings
[15:45] <pavel__> wishful thinking
[15:46] <InHisName> On newer boxes, you can mess with fan settings.  Change speed to less than max if desired.   Quieter and a tad warmer though.
[15:54] <pavel__> g2g, bll
[15:54] <pavel__> bbl
[15:55] <MutantTurkey> pavel__: I have a p4 if you want it
[15:55] <MutantTurkey> also have a pentium D @ 3.20 Ghz and a ATI card I have no use for.
[15:57] <pavel__> hmmmmm, is it a dell? PM me MutantTurkey, i need to go on a run
[15:57] <pavel__> btw baja fresh is the shit
[15:57] <pavel__> best soft drink on the market
[15:57] <InHisName> just what is this 'baja fresh' ?
[15:58] <InHisName> Oh junk food ?
[15:58] <InHisName> not sofware app?
[15:59] <InHisName> System install had issues with one section.  Finished tried rebooting, hung.   Tried recovery mode.  Now booted into prompt.
[15:59] <MutantTurkey> the mexican place....
[15:59] <MutantTurkey> thats baja blast
[15:59] <MutantTurkey> also the shit
[15:59] <InHisName> Must be gui issue with booting.
[16:00] <MutantTurkey> pavel__: yeah it will actually be thursday before I get this pentium D.
[16:00] <MutantTurkey> friend has it for the time being
[16:03] <InHisName> If I boot recovery and get terminal prompt, is there way to start gui process to see what might be failing ?   Would it be 'startx' or more or something different ?
[16:03] <InHisName> more parameters
[16:05] <MutantTurkey> startx
[16:05] <MutantTurkey> should work by istelf
[16:05] <MutantTurkey> xinit also works
[16:05] <MutantTurkey> no params
[16:06] <InHisName> 'k
[16:07] <InHisName> Hmmm, maybe worse than I thought.
[16:08] <InHisName> bash: startx: command not found    also xinit not found
[16:09] <InHisName> maybe should try for install #3
[16:09] <MutantTurkey> wow
[16:10] <MutantTurkey> do you even have xorg installed?
[16:10] <MutantTurkey> also, in recovery mode are you actually mounting the root fs?
[16:10] <InHisName> not sure what I got, I'll check and see
[16:10] <MutantTurkey> because you might just be on the initramfs (i thin)
[16:10] <InHisName> I thought I was mounting it.
[16:11] <MutantTurkey> not soure
[16:11] <MutantTurkey> sure
[16:11] <MutantTurkey> how did the upgrade break?
[16:14] <InHisName> One of the steps had issues.  Said I could continue or re-work that step.   Did one re-work still got errors.  So went on and tried that.  NOPE
[16:16] <InHisName> five dirs have xorg in their paths.   one man page, 3 X11 s, and one /usr/lib
[16:17] <InHisName> I'll just go ahead and do #3
[16:35] <GeekyAdam> so, mysql just stopped working for me. when i "sudo service mysql start" it says "job failed to start". ugh.
[16:49] <anduril> anyone tried a bulldozer system under linux yet?
[17:20] <InHisName> GeekyAdam: did you check to see if part of it was still running and getting in way of starting ?
[17:21] <GeekyAdam> InHisName: ps aux |grep sql showed nothing...anything else i should try?
[17:22] <InHisName> I usually try ps -ef| etc.   may not be any better than aux
[17:23] <GeekyAdam> same results :(
[17:26] <InHisName> sorry
[17:27] <InHisName> power down, & reboot and try to start it  yet ?
[17:30] <InHisName> Seems to failing to install software correctly.   The Select & install step fails.    I retry but same fail.   So, continue and boot into recovery.  All parts are mounted.   df -h /   gives  39G size,  36G free  so disk is not filling up.   Used is only 990M, may be missing to write a bunch of stuff.
[17:52] <InHisName> On my main computer I have 48G size for / and 27G used with 19G free.   I think .9G is way too little for / .
[17:53] <GeekyAdam> looks like the problem lies with my drive being full somehow... 36G in /var/lib/ureadahead/debugfs/, except debugfs is an empty directory...wtf?
[18:04] <pavel__> hello
[18:07] <GeekyAdam> hi pavel__
[18:35] <pavel__> anyone know of a wayt to recycle old computer parts
[18:36] <anduril_> yup take em to a local staples if you're in the US
[18:42] <MutantTurkey> doesn't jedijf have some hookup to recycle old stuf
[18:42] <MutantTurkey> ?
[18:42] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: ^
[18:42] <JonathanD> I eat old computer prats.
[18:42] <JonathanD> they are good on tacos.
[18:43] <anduril_> comcast why you mess up my cablez?!?
[18:44] <MutantTurkey> AOL, why you still exist?
[18:48] <InHisName> JonathanD: do computer prats    really taste good ?
[18:48] <JonathanD> yes.
[18:51] <InHisName> You should try cablez 'n' pratz, cablez 'n' pratz, cablez 'n' pratz,   oooohhh kinda reminds me of an old dog food commercial.
[19:00] <pavel__> no like really old
[19:00] <pavel__> like 20gb hard drives
[19:00] <MutantTurkey> really old?
[19:00] <MutantTurkey> like 1000mb hard drives
[19:01] <jedijf> pavel__: ntr always accepts donations http://ntrweb.org/
[19:01] <jedijf> MutantTurkey: you makin' fun of my supply? :P
[19:02]  * jedijf actually has a box of 4 giggers
[19:02] <jedijf> that i *purchased*
[19:03] <MutantTurkey> ntr thats that
[19:03] <jedijf> reminder, this team, Ubuntu-US-PA Local Community Team is going for re-approval in #ubuntu-meeting at 4, support of what goes on in here, on the mailing list, in the forums, and elsewhere would be greatly appreciated
[19:04] <MutantTurkey> for the record, baja fresh was delicious
[19:04] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: you have to get re approved?
[19:04] <jedijf> but, I am sure that everyone here has read the email and the forum post about re-approval
[19:04] <MutantTurkey> ...
[19:04] <jedijf> MutantTurkey: yes
[19:04] <MutantTurkey> do you need a show of force or something?
[19:04] <pavel__> im drinking baja fresh atm
[19:05] <jedijf> and is a member of the team on launchpad and has, or really wants to sign the CoC
[19:06] <jedijf> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3077663&postcount=1
[19:06] <MutantTurkey> pavel__: no no no. it's baja blast...
[19:07] <jedijf> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-us-pa/2011-October/001184.html
[19:07] <jedijf> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/TeamApprovalGuidelines
[19:08] <jedijf> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/LoCoTeamReApproval
[19:08] <MutantTurkey> gotcha
[19:08] <jedijf> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PennsylvaniaTeam/ReapprovalApplication
[19:08] <MutantTurkey> so all you gotta do is show up
[19:08] <jedijf> and wait to be grilled
[19:09] <jedijf> thankfully there should be other teams first, even though i think we should be ok
[19:09] <MutantTurkey> aren't we a relatively large team for a state?
[19:11] <jedijf> probably average...200 soemthing doesn't seem that large
[19:12] <jedijf> we should be at 1k in my opinion
[19:12] <pavel__> aye it is
[19:12] <pavel__> idk y but i keep messing that up MutantTurkey
[19:13] <anduril__> would it help if I show up and say Im installing ubuntu right at that moment? ;)
[19:14] <MutantTurkey> anduril__: no no no
[19:14] <MutantTurkey> gotta take the blues brothers approach
[19:14] <anduril__> drive there?!?
[19:14] <MutantTurkey> "are you the police?" "No Ma'am we're members of PA LoCo"
[19:15] <MutantTurkey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkaNisbzsLY
[19:15] <MutantTurkey> relevant
[19:16] <jedijf> anduril__: what part of the state?
[19:16] <pavel__> well thats great, my new monitor doesnt work anymore
[19:16] <anduril__> Harrisburg area. So actually...the "105 miles to chicago" line works since its about 105 miles to philly heh
[19:17] <jedijf> anduril__: any cplug activity by you?
[19:17] <jedijf> anduril__: throw a realease party
[19:17] <MutantTurkey> a tank full of glass, half pace of ciggs, sunglasses on blah blah blah
[19:18] <jedijf> cplug is re-organizing they'd probably be up for it
[19:18] <MutantTurkey> 2 weeks till trinity 3.5.13 and I am going crazy trying to fix bugs
[19:19] <anduril__> jedijf no idea havent gone to any of their activities. And honestly not a huge ubuntu user 0_o it never seems to like my desktop
[19:20] <jedijf> anduril__: that's ok, it's more about community anyway; fake it
[19:21] <anduril__> lol
[19:21] <anduril__> Hey I was the one that went to the millersville thing with a friend :-p
[19:22] <jedijf> anduril__: awesome, then you are referenced in application!  ty
[19:23] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: should do a linux event at montco
[19:24] <jedijf> MutantTurkey: set it up!
[19:24] <jedijf> I'll announce when the cds arrive
[19:24] <MutantTurkey> who should I talk to about it?
[19:25] <jedijf> that building on the left, with the library, or a cool teacher in the new building
[19:25] <jedijf> across from the library
[19:26] <MutantTurkey> haha so vague
[19:26] <MutantTurkey> the new building across from the library, the ATC
[19:28] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: I get the feeling from talking to people who are taking comp sci classes that they are a bunch of Java/ Visual basic heads.
[19:30] <jedijf> ask
[19:30] <jedijf> your feelings may be wrong
[19:30] <MutantTurkey> also not a comp sci student... I will ask
[19:30] <jedijf> you'll be surprised
[19:30] <jedijf> just let them know that we exist
[19:30] <jedijf> http://ubuntupennsylvania.org/
[19:33] <waltman> MutantTurkey: It depends a lot on the individual program
[19:34] <jedijf> and the individual, i would imagine
[19:34] <MutantTurkey>  yeah
[19:34] <waltman> I'd advise you to take some algorithms/theory courses if you're interested
[19:35] <MutantTurkey> I am a history major :P
[19:35] <waltman> Do you know how to program?
[19:35] <jedijf> what happened to music production?
[19:35] <MutantTurkey> waltman: yes quite well
[19:35] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: starting a home studio as a side project
[19:35] <pavel__> id like to b a sound tech
[19:35] <waltman> MutantTurkey: in java and/or vb? :)
[19:36] <MutantTurkey> waltman: C, C++, dabbled in python but it is terrible.
[19:36]  * waltman recommends perl :)
[19:36] <MutantTurkey> java is not a programming langauge i would like to learn
[19:36] <MutantTurkey> perl is not a programming language either
[19:36] <waltman> or possibly ruby, which is a really lovely language
[19:36] <jedijf> MutantTurkey: wasn't vb only for your *drexel* internship?
[19:36] <MutantTurkey> all scripting languages
[19:37] <waltman> MutantTurkey: You're at Drexel?
[19:37] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: I worked in the Mac lab
[19:37] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: working on a math related website
[19:37] <jedijf> i am just trying to stir stuff up
[19:37] <MutantTurkey> waltman: did an internship
[19:37] <jedijf> your perl statement started it
[19:37] <MutantTurkey> !xkcd real programmers
[19:37] <waltman> You did an internship *at* Drexel? Most students go the other way :)
[19:37] <MutantTurkey> yes
[19:37] <MutantTurkey> http://xkcd.com/378/
[19:38] <MutantTurkey> waltman: i know a professor there. He had a student drop out and so he asked me
[19:38] <jedijf> waltman: MutantTurkey is still technically in high school, i believe
[19:38] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: but i'll graduate in december:D
[19:38] <jedijf> well, based on orange soda, i mean
[19:38] <MutantTurkey> pending this chemistry class.
[19:38] <waltman> jedijf: ah :)
[19:39] <MutantTurkey> probably going to temple though, waltman
[19:39] <waltman> MutantTurkey: have you decided yet where you're going to college? Ah.
[19:39] <MutantTurkey> not really decided
[19:39] <MutantTurkey> I've been at montco for over a year now. so i'll have my assocaites in the spring
[19:39] <waltman> Well, I still stand by my recommendation of theory and algorithm courses
[19:40] <MutantTurkey> montco forces you to take many prerequists before learning how to do actual programming
[19:40] <MutantTurkey> so i am kind of shot on that.
[19:40] <waltman> (and not just because I'm a PhD student in Drexel's CS program doing algorithms stuff :) )
[19:41] <waltman> what sort of prerequisites?
[19:41] <MutantTurkey> waltman: the few intro to programming classes and such
[19:41] <MutantTurkey> hello world is probably the first six weeks...
[19:41] <waltman> "intro to programming" doesn't teach you programming?
[19:41] <anduril__> ah intro to programming or...html for dummies aka art major class
[19:41] <MutantTurkey> waltman: I am not sure entirely
[19:42] <MutantTurkey> but the word i have heard is that its pretty much a waste of time
[19:42] <MutantTurkey> especially since i won't learning anything...
[19:42] <waltman> No, by "algorithms" I mean learning how to think about the runtimes of sorting methods, np completeness, etc.
[19:43] <MutantTurkey> right
[19:43] <waltman> temple surely must have reasonable intro courses
[19:45] <waltman> The only thing I know they're doing research-wise at Temple is with geographic and mapping software. Some folks have talked about it at PLUG. It sounds like a cool project.
[19:48] <pleia2> jedijf: loco council meeting soon?
[19:48] <pvl1> i dont like sorting algorithms
[19:48] <waltman> sorting algorithms are awesome
[19:48] <waltman> but they're really just the tip of the iceberg, algorithms-wise
[19:49] <MutantTurkey> geographic mapping software sounds really dull to be honest :P
[19:50] <MutantTurkey> leave that for tomtom
[19:50] <waltman> so what's exciting?
[19:50] <waltman> robots?
[19:50] <MutantTurkey> servers
[19:50] <anduril__> mmm servers
[19:50]  * pleia2 attempts to grab sandwich before meeting
[19:50] <MutantTurkey> minimalism -> effeciency
[19:50]  * jedijf too
[19:51] <MutantTurkey> whens this meeting?
[19:51] <anduril__> 4
[19:51] <MutantTurkey> s/whens/wheres
[19:51] <waltman> we had a talk yesterday morning with a Drexel ECE prof who's working on ultra-low power systems. Very interesting stuff.
[19:51] <jedijf> #ubuntu-meeting
[19:51] <MutantTurkey> waltman: I dunno what else I like.  I hate web interfaces though so I stay away from the internet design/ scripting
[19:53] <MutantTurkey> anything you'd reccomend for me then?
[19:53] <MutantTurkey> think of it like this: you are the match.com and mutant turkey is trying to find a partner, except the partner is  an area to study.
[19:54] <waltman> Well, "simple things" have a tendency to get complex :)
[19:54] <MutantTurkey> only if you design it poorly
[19:55] <MutantTurkey> do one thing and do it well is what I see
[19:55] <waltman> I've taken a bunch of graphics courses here and enjoyed them a bit. There's a lot of math, often a minimal ui, interesting algorithms to speed things up, and you end up with pretty pictures when you're done.
[19:56] <waltman> computer vision's related to that. Drexel offers a course on computational photography that a lot of students like.
[19:56] <MutantTurkey> yeah I worked in a lab with alot of people doing that
[19:58] <MutantTurkey> waltman: not to interested in new fangled stuff
[19:58] <MutantTurkey> so I don't think I would be much good for getting a degree in it.
[19:59] <MutantTurkey> much rather be a history professor and brainwash kids with libertarian values :x
[19:59] <waltman> Well, Temple will also have operating systems and networking courses. Maybe you'd enjoy them better.
[20:00] <MutantTurkey> maybe so
[20:00] <MutantTurkey> I think I would
[20:00] <jedijf> help appreciated i am driving too
[20:00] <pleia2> sandwich \o/
[20:00] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: ok
[20:01] <MutantTurkey> waltman: I am interested in deploying networking solutions for businesses
[20:02] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: we should have some sort of chant. I SAY US you say PA
[20:02] <anduril> we should get jackets like a motorcycle gang. fly the colors hehe
[20:13] <anduril> you werent kidding about a bunch being before pa
[20:14] <MobileTurkey> argentina?
[20:21] <MobileTurkey> this argentina guy is pissing me off.
[20:21] <MobileTurkey> he waits 5 minutes, types 1 sentance.
[20:21] <MobileTurkey> I don't always type slowly, but when I do, it's in a world wide ubuntu meeting with 200+ people
[20:22] <jedijf> lag
[20:22] <jedijf> dialup
[20:22] <jedijf> crankup
[20:22] <jedijf> worldwide issues
[20:22] <MobileTurkey> lewis dots structures :|
[20:22] <anduril> carrier pidgin connection?
[20:22] <pvl1> we should start an isp
[20:23] <MobileTurkey> pvl1: okay, thanks for donating the hundreds of thousands for the startup
[20:24] <pvl1> i have 4 dollars in my savings :)
[20:25] <MobileTurkey> I have 5 cents. literally
[20:25] <MobileTurkey> no job either :[
[20:25] <MobileTurkey> anyone hiring a strapping young lad to do tedious labor here?
[20:26] <anduril> you could probably mow my parents yard
[20:27] <MobileTurkey> sounds really promising in october...
[20:27] <pvl1> well i have 12 cents in my account
[20:27] <JonathanD> everyone come to the zoooooooo
[20:27] <pvl1> i was doing yard work over the summer
[20:27] <pvl1> and i was getting good under the table jobs
[20:27] <MobileTurkey> jedijf: do we have team reports?
[20:28] <jedijf> a couple, but i am covering that with my canned responses, that i am typing on the fly
[20:28] <MobileTurkey> nice
[20:28] <MobileTurkey> jedijf: pull over.
[20:30] <jedijf> i will, eventually
[20:31] <jedijf> want to at least get into pa!
[20:31] <anduril> ah huh thats why Win7 wouldnt let me shrink the partition. 10 updates waiting to install
[20:36] <MobileTurkey> when are we up to do it?
[20:37] <jedijf> next, after michigan
[20:38] <MobileTurkey> ok
[20:39] <MobileTurkey> EVERYONE GO INTO #ubuntu-meeting !!! GO GO GO
[20:39] <pvl1> i did, y
[20:40] <MobileTurkey> pvl1: shhhh
[20:49] <JonathanD>  /698
[20:54] <pangolin> for a minute there I thought the team wasn't going to get approved.
[20:54] <pangolin> Congrats!
[20:55] <pvl1> are there any programming competitions amongst the loco teams?
[20:55] <MobileTurkey> wooho
[20:56] <jedijf> i should have left roadmap as solo bullet points
[20:56] <jedijf> i tried to reference the future with our past events
[20:56] <jedijf> so the page jumped
[20:57] <jedijf> we have so much to reference
[20:57] <jedijf> if i were them, I would have asked why is most philly, and no other regions...but i'll take it
[20:59] <MobileTurkey> they are clearly concerned with irrelevant things
[20:59] <MobileTurkey> 0% of people actally care about how the roadmap looks on the team
[20:59] <MobileTurkey> but the committee wants to see the roadmap, so we have a roadmap
[20:59] <MobileTurkey> either way the team is going strong
[21:00]  * jedijf looking up this leogg charachter
[21:00] <MobileTurkey> who is he?
[21:00] <MobileTurkey> i though i recognized the paul guy
[21:02] <pleia2> sometimes I eat giant ubuntu cookies with paultag :d
[21:03] <MobileTurkey> where are these cookies.
[21:09] <MobileTurkey> I need some to keep me going while studying for my chem exam
[21:12] <jedijf> all this team report interest. i was just gonna use loco. for that
[21:13] <MobileTurkey> that sentance doesn't make sense
[21:13] <jedijf> so, i guess, kill 'events', use loco dot, and link team report to loco dot
[21:14] <jedijf> MobileTurkey: loco.ubuntu.com/teams/pennsylvania
[21:16] <MobileTurkey> ah
[21:51] <InHisName> During "select and install software"   I see --> retrieving n of 1056 files, it counts up to 1055 then spits out error.    ---> An installation step failed, try again or skip this step.
[21:59] <anduril> congrats jedijf for getting us reaccpted btw :) had to run to the grocery store so didnt get to say that earlier
[22:00] <InHisName> "re" accepted ?
[22:19] <jedijf> i changed page too
[22:19] <jedijf> anduril: thank you
[22:25] <anduril> and sleep works on my laptop w/ 11.10 sweeeeeeeeet
[22:50] <anduril> hmm brightness does not tho. oh well
[23:03] <MobileTurkey> does 11.10 use the 3.0 kernel series?
[23:03] <MobileTurkey> its bugging me that i am on 2.6.38
[23:04] <anduril>  yes
[23:04] <anduril> Im showing 3.0.0-12
[23:04] <anduril> though i dont think much changed from the last 2.6.xx to 3.0
[23:07] <MobileTurkey> much changed.
[23:07] <MobileTurkey> lots and lots of driver updates and such
[23:10] <anduril> so why does unity show some icons highlighted when an app is running but others are not?
[23:12] <jedijf> MobileTurkey: heard of pacman? [jimf@arch_desktop ~]$ uname -a
[23:12] <jedijf> Linux arch_desktop 3.0-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Tue Aug 30 08:53:25 CEST 2011 x86_64 Intel(R) Pentium(R) CPU E5700 @ 3.00GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
[23:14] <MobileTurkey> have I heard of pacman? :D
[23:14] <MobileTurkey> jedijf: I am running freaking ubuntu
[23:14] <jedijf> lol
[23:14] <jedijf> oops
[23:15] <MobileTurkey> its so terrible
[23:15] <MobileTurkey> I am goin back as soon as I can
[23:15] <MobileTurkey> I just need to wait for this release first
[23:15] <jedijf> i am running both
[23:15] <MobileTurkey> me as well
[23:15] <jedijf> k
[23:15] <MobileTurkey> but I haven't setup arch yet
[23:15] <MobileTurkey> well its setup, just not yet perfect
[23:15] <jedijf> MobileTurkey: send back the laptop
[23:16] <jedijf> you're gonna wait and blow it
[23:16] <MobileTurkey> 2 years?
[23:16] <jedijf> ok, is this channel still logged
[23:16] <MobileTurkey> and?
[23:16] <MobileTurkey> I have to wait until this _release_
[23:16] <jedijf> the longer it goes, the less likely it goes back
[23:17] <jedijf> but, then again, duct tape is leet
[23:17] <MobileTurkey> Nov 1st the day i send it back
[23:18] <jedijf> power corrupts
[23:18] <jedijf> cpu power corrupts completely
[23:19] <jedijf> MobileTurkey: btw, other than the bezel, how is it?
[23:19] <anduril> whats the laptop?
[23:19] <jedijf> tricked out lenovo
[23:20] <anduril> mmm thinkpad
[23:20] <JonathanD> mmm lenovo /73
[23:20] <MobileTurkey> its amazing
[23:20] <MobileTurkey> its really totally absolutely 100% awesome
[23:20] <MobileTurkey> basically.
[23:21] <anduril> so why are you sending it back?
[23:21] <MobileTurkey> anduril: factory defect
[23:21] <InHisName> Sortof a cracked lid isn't it, MobileTurkey ?
[23:22] <MobileTurkey> yep
[23:22] <MobileTurkey> forums.lenovo.com/t5/X-Series-ThinkPad-Laptops/X220-Lid-breaking/td-p/559871
[23:22] <MobileTurkey> not so good advice i got
[23:22] <MobileTurkey> anduril: http://imgur.com/nRWa5,Ycm8G#1
[23:23] <MobileTurkey> studying chemisty :[
[23:23] <anduril> damn...
[23:26] <anduril> apparently you study chemistry hard
[23:33] <jedijf> lol
[23:33] <jedijf> like an animal
[23:34] <anduril> I mean seriously where you tempting to determine the break point of thermite or something?
[23:34] <jedijf> his nick is /mutant/ turkey
[23:34] <MobileTurkey> magnesium lid i think
[23:35] <anduril> ...so you had relations with your lid?
[23:35] <MobileTurkey> I refuse to read between the lines
[23:36] <anduril> well ya might have to if the lid keeps breakin like that cause you'll only be seein every other line ;)
[23:44] <MobileTurkey> actually the screen is functioning perfectly
[23:44] <MobileTurkey> I am not sure what you are getting at.
[23:49] <anduril> normally a break like that in my experience is caused by drop-page or the like and the screen stops working at some point. thats all I ment
[23:54] <anduril> not saying ya caused it tho :)


[10:50]  * Chipaca decides it's time for more coffee
[10:50]  * bthomas resisting the urge to caffinate
[10:51]  * Chipaca laughs
[10:51] <Chipaca> there's 75mg of caffeine in my _hydration_ tablets
[10:52] <bthomas> wow. coffee and tea are dehydrating though
[10:52] <Chipaca> on the other hand, there's 0mg of caffeine in beer
[10:53] <Chipaca> *most beer
[10:53] <bthomas> who needs caffeine when you have beer. algthough I prefer some good port wine.
[10:53]  * Chipaca wonders about starboard wine
[10:53] <bthomas> Cockburns fine tawny is very soomth
[10:54]  * bthomas googles starboard wine
[10:55]  * Chipaca ⇝ coffee
[11:12] <facubatista> ¡Muy buenos días a todos!
[11:13] <facubatista> Chipaca, is travis your friend today?
[11:13] <Chipaca> facubatista: travis is an enemy with benefits
[11:13] <facubatista> jajaja
[11:14] <bthomas> नमस्ते facubatista
[11:14] <facubatista> hola bthomas
[11:14] <Chipaca> facubatista: hoping for a review from jаm and then we're done
[11:15]  * Chipaca points out 'jаm' is using a homoglyph because it's early
[12:13] <Chipaca> JoseMasson: buen día!
[12:13] <JoseMasson> Buen día!
[12:36] <Chipaca> I think I'm going to step out and get lunch
[13:57] <bthomas> http://ops.rtfd.io/ is returning 503 service unavailable
[13:59] <bthomas> Chipaca: facubatista Have you tried using your IDE to access operator framework documentation. I use Emacs with Elpy. When I try to access the documentation (C-c C-d) I get a nearly blank page. I think this may be because we are not tying in the class and module level docs correctly into the package level but I am not sure. Any way I will just create a ticket for this now as I am still busy with the refactoring.
[14:02] <facubatista> bthomas, regarding RTFD, it looks a problem on their side?
[14:02] <bthomas> indeed
[14:03] <facubatista> bthomas, regarding proper docs building/packaging/something, thanks for the issue
[14:04] <facubatista> Chipaca, how are we coming regarding rollout?
[14:04] <Chipaca> facubatista: waiting for a review on #440
[14:04] <mup> PR #440: Set sys.breakpointhook in main instead of Framework.__init__ <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/440>
[14:04] <Chipaca> facubatista: hopefully from jam 🙂
[14:05] <mup> Issue operator#441 opened: Link docstrings to package level <Created by balbirthomas> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/441>
[14:06] <facubatista> ack
[14:06]  * bthomas needs that coffee now
[14:09] <Chipaca> about 'ops' being almost blank: imho, we should make it so that 'ops' is all you need to import for making a 'basic' charm
[14:10] <Chipaca> i.e. everything we think is needed for just a charm (as opposed to a reusable component or extension of ops) should be doable by doing 'import ops' (or more likely 'from ops import x')
[14:10] <Chipaca> ie CharmBase, and main, and the statuses, and … etc
[14:10] <Chipaca> so people don't have to guess where inside ops the thing is defined
[14:10] <Chipaca> (which would also be nice to refactor at some point)
[14:18] <bthomas> Chipaca: I like that ^ idea
[14:19]  * bthomas is jittery will at that coffee
[14:27] <Chipaca> bthomas: rtfd is back
[14:27] <bthomas> thanks.
[14:28] <bthomas> Just to be clear ops documentation is accessible if you look at any particular function or class but not if you look at the whole package.
[14:30] <Chipaca> bthomas: and if you look at a module?
[14:30] <Chipaca> bthomas: e.g. ops.testing
[14:31] <bthomas> Chipaca: still blank : both import ops.framework and from ops import framework
[14:31] <Chipaca> bthomas: not even "The Operator Framework infrastructure."?
[14:32] <bthomas> Chipaca: only that
[14:32] <bthomas> I mean that is the only thing that is shown
[14:32] <Chipaca> bthomas: can you show me an example of something that shows more than just the toplevel docstring?
[14:33] <bthomas> Chipaca: on the line from ops.charm import CharmBase , if i put the point on CharmBase and C-c C-d then I do get the docstring for CharmBase
[14:50] <Chipaca> bthomas: FWIW it sounds to me like C-c C-d is less helpful than python's builtin help() which i didn't think was a low bar
[14:53] <bthomas> Chipaca: indeed just tried python's help(ops), and it does give more, in particular a list of modules. For comparison I also did import json and help(json) and C-c C-d on json, both give the same output.
[14:53] <Chipaca> right, that's a good docstring there
[14:53] <Chipaca> good one
[14:53] <Chipaca> otoh, json doesn't have submodules
[14:53] <bthomas> true
[14:54] <bthomas> we should look at some other stdlib
[14:54] <Chipaca> picking multiprocessing at random
[14:54] <bthomas> urllib package level is quite sparse
[14:55] <bthomas> multiprocessing is quite extensive
[14:55] <Chipaca> bthomas: in C-c C-d?
[14:56] <bthomas> Chipaca: C-c C-d is extensive for multiprocessing
[14:56] <Chipaca> very strange
[14:56] <Chipaca> what is it doing?
[14:56] <Chipaca> because the docstring itself is empty
[14:56] <Chipaca> i installed elpy here to look into this also
[14:57] <bthomas> nice, what are you using otherwise if not elpy, python-mode ?
[14:57] <Chipaca> oooh, looks like it uses pydoc.docmodule
[15:02] <bthomas> Chipaca: I wonder if __all__ needs to be in ops/__init__.py and that will make it pickup and collate module level docstrings.
[15:14] <Chipaca> hah
[15:15] <Chipaca> so there's inspect.getdoc
[15:15] <Chipaca> that, if the module has *no docstring*, calls inspect._finddoc
[15:15] <bthomas> interesting was not familiar with inspect.getdoc
[15:17] <Chipaca> bah, no, for modules _finddoc does nothing
[15:17] <bthomas> Just to emphasise for multiprocessing both python help() and C-c C-d produce the same result
[15:19] <bthomas> The only difference I can see between help() and C-c C-d is help() in some cases just lists the modules (without any module or lower level docs collated) where as in those case C-c C-d shows nothing.
[15:20] <Chipaca> bthomas: look what happens to C-c C-d if you delete the module-level docstring entirely
[15:20] <Chipaca> bthomas: i.e. if you edit __init__.py and delete the docstring
[15:23] <bthomas> Chipaca: Indeed after deleting the one line docstring from ops/__init__.py I do see the list of modules (as shown by help()) and the license (placed under "DESCRIPTION" !) .
[15:23] <bthomas> using C-c C-d
[15:43] <justinclark> bthomas, here's the busy loop replacement PR: https://github.com/canonical/elasticsearch-operator/pull/23
[15:43] <justinclark> Review much appreciated :)
[15:56] <bthomas> having a look
[16:00] <Chipaca> ah, dang, jam is away today
[16:00] <Chipaca> hmm
[16:00] <Chipaca> justinclark: care to review #440 ?
[16:00] <mup> PR #440: Set sys.breakpointhook in main instead of Framework.__init__ <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/440>
[16:01] <justinclark> Chipaca, Yep - I'll look now.
[16:01] <Chipaca> thanks!
[16:01]  * Chipaca takes a short break
[16:59] <justinclark> Chipaca - just approved #440. Though I fear I'm not as opinionated as jam would be on this.
[16:59] <mup> PR #440: Set sys.breakpointhook in main instead of Framework.__init__ <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/440>
[16:59] <Chipaca> justinclark: we can always fix it in post :-p
[17:00] <mup> Issue operator#421 closed: breakpoint handlers unconditionally installed on framework initialization <Created by stub42> <Closed by chipaca> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/421>
[17:00] <mup> PR operator#440 closed: Set sys.breakpointhook in main instead of Framework.__init__ <Created by chipaca> <Merged by chipaca> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/440>
[17:01] <Chipaca> oh drat i forgot about #424
[17:01] <mup> PR #424: Added docstrings checks <Created by facundobatista> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/424>
[17:01]  * Chipaca hugs facubatista
[17:07] <Chipaca> yeah, i'm running tests locally and going to merge that by hand because travis is stupid slow again
[17:08] <mup> PR operator#424 closed: Added docstrings checks <Created by facundobatista> <Merged by chipaca> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/424>
[17:32] <Chipaca> facubatista: ^
[17:51] <facubatista> Chipaca, rocanrol
[17:52] <facubatista> Chipaca, remote building now
[18:00] <Chipaca> EOW for me
[18:00] <Chipaca> have a great weekend all!
[18:00] <Chipaca> don't party _too_ hard
[18:03] <bthomas> justinclark: I am not going to be able to finish your PR review today. I will leave only one half backed possibliy poorly thoughtout comment for you to mull over the weekend. But I will pick it up on monday along with review changes for Prometheus. Hope this is ok ?
[18:03]  * bthomas is hungry
[18:05] <justinclark> bthomas, sounds good. No problem at all.
[21:41]  * facubatista eods and eows, will surely release on Monday...


[03:01] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce-announce:: ANNOUNCE: xfce4-generic-slider 1.0.0 released<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:51] <knome> do i remember correctly that there was some talk about a new bluetooth manager?
[21:51] <knome> i'd like to (temporarily) disable power saving on my bt kb, but i can't seem to do that with blueman
[22:01] <knome> actually i think i figured it out; in powertop, set 'Autosuspend for unknown USB device 1-8' to 'Bad'


[10:33] <Syntux> any idea about filling a request for some marketing materials for installation festival?
[11:42] <juliux> Syntux, perhaps you can get conference pack from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAtConferences
[11:44] <juliux> jenda, ping and happy new year
[12:16] <MenZa> juliux: I'm getting slightly aroused from looking at it.
[12:17] <juliux> MenZa, from the conference packs?
[12:17] <MenZa> Yes.
[12:17] <MenZa> I want those pens. :(
[12:17] <MenZa> We may have some events for Ubuntu-DK later this year
[12:17] <MenZa> Well, we definitely will have.
[12:17] <MenZa> :D
[12:18] <juliux> the pens are nice
[12:18] <juliux> we get some for ubucon
[12:18] <MenZa> :D
[12:18] <MenZa> awesome
[12:18] <juliux> so you also should get some;)
[12:18] <MenZa> Indeed. :9
[12:19] <MenZa> We just need to organise some events.
[12:19] <MenZa> Well, there's Open Source Days in October
[12:25] <juliux> we have to start with ubucon ogranisation again;)
[12:28] <MenZa> :D
[17:29] <eNry3> hi
[17:29] <eNry3> ciao


[01:32] <Fudge> anyone having luck getting launcher etc to speak in precise
[01:54] <Fudge> cant access menus panel launcher, have the extra a11y ppa installed, same in both 2d/3d
[22:43] <phillw> AlanBell: are you about for a quick pm?
[22:44] <AlanBell> sure


[02:12] <ali1234> !info ktechlab
[02:12] <ali1234> !info ktechlab maverick
[02:12] <ali1234> hmm what happened?
[02:12] <Azelphur> that sounds like a fun tool
[02:13] <ali1234> yeah
[02:13] <ali1234> well, i need something that can support defining my own signals and parts
[02:14] <ali1234> preferably in an easy to use language like python
[02:14] <ali1234> i wonder why it was removed
[02:20] <Azelphur> indeed
[02:37] <ali1234> deleted because it depends on kde3
[03:02] <ali1234> Azelphur: turns out you can install the maverick deb and it works fine
[03:02] <Azelphur> :D
[03:02] <ali1234> seems like a nice program
[03:03] <ali1234> just need to figure out how to add custom parts and signal sources
[08:54] <MooDoo> morning all
[09:27]  * nigelb waves to MooDoo
[09:28] <MooDoo> hello nigelb :)
[09:29] <MooDoo> nigelb: how are you on this fine sunday
[09:30] <nigelb> MooDoo: Hello. Pretty good. Contemplating a fine siesta ;)
[09:30] <MooDoo> nigelb: well considering i'm at work....pah! :p
[09:30] <nigelb> heh
[10:14] <daubers> Morning
[10:14] <MooDoo> morning daubers
[10:14] <MartijnVdS> morning everyone
[10:22] <AlanBell> morning
[10:22] <AlanBell> how do you stop playing angry birds?
[10:23] <MooDoo> AlanBell: with great difficulty, or install rio where there are only a certain amont of levels then youhave to stop :D
[10:36] <MartijnVdS> Hm
[10:36] <MartijnVdS> Oneiric is more broken than ever. As it's unity that seems to have gone, I blame gord :)
[10:48] <TimSC> WHO riv
[10:49] <TimSC> WHO oops that was completely wrong!
[10:52] <MooDoo> :)
[11:09] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[11:10] <MooDoo> brobostigon: morning
[11:10] <brobostigon> MooDoo: good morning, :)
[12:03] <MartijnVdS> \o
[12:06] <brobostigon> o/
[12:08] <MooDoo> \o/ /o\ C A :)
[12:21] <matti> Hm.
[12:21] <matti> Freenode is unhappy today.
[12:21] <MooDoo> matti: give it a hug
[12:24]  * matti huggles Freenode
[12:24] <matti> Oh dear.
[12:24] <matti> I've got a notification from Update Manager that my version is no longer supported ;]
[12:24] <matti> Heh
[12:24] <matti> ;)
[12:27] <jacobw> uh?
[12:27] <jacobw> lol @ YMCA
[12:49] <penguin42> hmm that really shouldn't happen - a metacity running as gdm screwing up my session
[12:58] <gord> my weather indicator says the current weather is three wavy lines again... its been like a year, can't figure out what that is
[13:00] <jacobw> high winds?
[13:04] <penguin42> gord: Which theme do you use?
[13:04] <gord> the default
[13:05] <gord> jacobw, nope
[13:06] <penguin42> gord: That's fog
[13:07] <penguin42> gord: See /usr/share/icons/Humanity/status/16/weather-fog.svg
[13:07] <gord> thanks for ruining a mystery :(
[13:07] <penguin42> haha
[13:12] <MartijnVdS> gord: Bacon. It means the weather is bacon.
[13:14] <gord> thats more like it
[13:18] <suprengr> gord, I think it means it's *windy* or overcast bacon
[13:18] <suprengr> [overcast - not overcooked]
[13:23] <MartijnVdS> suprengr: A bit like "Cloudy with a chance of meatballs", but less spherical ;)
[13:25] <famousmortimer> Hurrah for getting ubuntu back! How I've missed ya
[13:26] <scoundrel50a> hi, where is the Google Chrome installation directory found?
[13:27] <famousmortimer> Have you tried Chromium?
[13:27] <scoundrel50a> I wanted to know where the Chrome files were, I have Chrome installed, and Chromium, are they the same thing then?
[13:28] <suprengr> MartijnVdS, what? only a chance of meatballs - I've just looked outside - there's meatballs out there ;)
[13:28] <scoundrel50a> and where would chromium files be?
[13:28] <gord> suprengr, look in ~/.config
[13:29] <suprengr> gord, pourquoi?
[13:29] <gord> suprengr, open up nautilus, type Ctrl+l - then ~/.config
[13:31] <scoundrel50a> anybody?
[13:31] <gord> suprengr, sorry you got in the way of my alt-tab
[13:31] <gord> scoundrel50a, ^^
[13:33] <suprengr> gord, you had me confused [not hard to do that] but I'll let you off
[13:33] <scoundrel50a> gord: dont know what ^^ means are talking about what you told suprengr?
[13:34] <gord> scoundrel50a, yes
[13:34] <gord> ^^ are arrows indicating you look up
[13:34] <jacobw> `whereis chrome; whereis chromium`
[13:34] <scoundrel50a> ok, thankyou, will go take a look. Sorry, had no idea about ^^ being arrows, thank you.
[13:35] <scoundrel50a> ah, thank you, that is where it is, been trying to find that all morning.......
[13:58] <scoundrel50a> how do you keep the search box there by default in nautilus?
[13:58] <scoundrel50a> instead of having to use ctrl+l to get it to open
[14:00] <gord> i think there is an option hidden around somewhere
[14:33] <ryan> how do i force remove fglrx-amdcccle?
[15:03]  * daubers turns on some heating
[15:14] <penguin42> sheesh the stuff printed on stickers on amazon packages - it has my phone number
[15:18] <dutchie> daubers: it's june!
[15:26] <penguin42> dutchie: Hardly flaming
[15:49] <jacobw> !ping
[15:49] <jacobw> its raining here
[15:50] <jacobw> lubotu is insubordinate :p
[15:52] <suprengr> jacobw, gives me a headache just thinking *down* to it's level
[15:53] <jacobw> indeed
[16:41] <AlanBell> afternoon
[16:41] <Pendulum> hiya AlanBell
[16:41]  * AlanBell has completed epic DIY light fitting task
[16:43] <AlanBell> hi Pendulum, whats up with you today?
[16:43] <dogmatic69_> o/
[16:46] <Pendulum> AlanBell: duvet day mostly. the universe decided I should get a cold on top of everything else
[16:56] <gord> i also got a cold :( but mine is more worse
[16:56]  * Pendulum hugs
[16:57] <Pendulum> gord ^^
[16:57] <Pendulum> gord: I'll take your cold off you if you'll take my swollen hip and messed up neck :P
[16:57] <Pendulum> actually, would probably do it for either of those
[16:58] <gord> i'll quit complaining about my slightly sore throat now ;) at least before czajkowski calls diddums on me
[16:58] <suprengr> AlanBell, you sure it's not hay fever? I used to make that mistake until it startewd happening at the same-ish time each year.  This year is a baddy & catching many peeps unawares.
[16:59] <suprengr> *started
[16:59]  * czajkowski hugs gord
[16:59]  * AlanBell is in fine fettle
[16:59] <czajkowski> steak has been purchased
[16:59] <czajkowski> shop does not sell pepper sauce however
[16:59] <czajkowski> :(
[16:59] <MooDoo> ooo steak
[17:00] <suprengr> whoops... that should have been for Pendulum
[17:00] <czajkowski> steak onions, beans and potato grattin for din dins
[17:01]  * AlanBell loves gratin dauphinois
[17:01] <Pendulum> suprengr: yeah. everyone else around here (I'm in the US) has had hay fever for the past 6 weeks and are starting to get better. I woke up yesterday with a sore throat and today with a worse sore throat and a cough
[17:01] <MooDoo> czajkowski: where you live i'm coming round for steak
[17:01] <livingdaylight> hi, can I ask; does anyone know. Is it general known wisdom that laptop with dedicated graphics card is better than onboard graphics card?
[17:01]  * suprengr passes czajkowski a virtual empty plate [& hopes for nom noms]
[17:02] <AlanBell> livingdaylight: switchable graphics cards are known to be a pita
[17:02] <livingdaylight> I'm looking at hp dm4 laptop and choosing between 1 which has 512 card vs the integrated graphics model
[17:02] <czajkowski> well kinda last nice dinner for a wee bit
[17:02] <czajkowski> trying to be good come monday and bf goes into hospital on thursday
[17:02] <AlanBell> is it just a dedicated card or can you switch between internal and external?
[17:03] <livingdaylight> AlanBell, switchable are the dedicated ones?
[17:03] <livingdaylight> AlanBell, it has 512 dedicated but can take more from the botherboard up to 2gb I think... does that make it the switchable one?
[17:04] <Pendulum> gord: s'ok. I'm willing to bet you're more miserable than I am because I probably have more spacey meds than you ;-)
[17:04] <czajkowski> gord: you sprinting in london or dublin
[17:04] <livingdaylight> The ATi HD graphics card has 512Mb of dedicated memory but can also use system memory when required for a total of 2202Mb. It also supports "switchable graphics"; when you're using the system on the battery, it can automatically switch to the integrated Intel graphics to save power. A very neat feature.
[17:05] <AlanBell> that will be a switchable one then
[17:05] <livingdaylight> http://www.comet.co.uk/p/Laptops/buy-HP-DM4-1060-Laptop/651265
[17:05] <livingdaylight> ok, that's a shame coz there is a nice buy now deal for £400 on ebay
[17:06] <AlanBell> I suspect both will work fine, but switching between them on the fly might be problematic
[17:06] <livingdaylight> I thought dedicated would be preferable to the hd onboard  ones
[17:06] <AlanBell> or it might just work
[17:06] <livingdaylight> k, thanks for the input. I just wondered before committing and making a mistake
[17:07] <AlanBell> there is nothing much wrong with intel integrated graphics tbh
[17:07] <livingdaylight> sure
[17:07] <AlanBell> does all the compiz bling on the laptop screen plus 2048x1152 HDMI monitor
[17:08] <livingdaylight> i just thought general consensus was dedicated graphics would be preferable; is that not the case any longer?
[17:08] <AlanBell> and I doubt you would be bitcoin mining on your laptop
[17:08] <livingdaylight> bitcoin lol
[17:08] <livingdaylight> I heard about bitcoin just the other day for the first time
[17:09] <livingdaylight> no, I would not be bitcoin mining with my laptop or any other machine as it happens, unless I thought it would buckle the world-wide monetary system, muahaahaha
[17:11] <livingdaylight> in terms of heat would dedicated graphics card increase the heat, or other way around?
[17:13] <AlanBell> yeah
[17:13] <AlanBell> it would run hotter, use more power
[17:13] <AlanBell> which is why you can switch to the intel one
[17:14] <dogmatic69_> AlanBell: sup
[17:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> Interesting factoid on QI last night... from 1ton of rock (in a gold area) you get 50gms of gold.
[17:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> From 1ton of old mobile phone you get 150gms
[17:20] <DJones> Why did I think that was going to become a minecraft comment
[17:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> Off to make a nice Risotto with onions, garlic and chard from the garden...
[17:21] <czajkowski> nice
[17:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yes czajkowski, it will be. I am making it ;-)
[17:22] <brobostigon> yummy,
[17:28]  * suprengr counters with liver coated in flour & cayenne pepper with broccoli, red pepper & something else.
[17:38]  * suprengr gets ready for F1... bfn & cheers
[17:57] <czajkowski> anyone here got empathy working with google voice/video ??
[18:06]  * daubers has just got an email from the police
[18:06] <daubers> Apparently the guy who threw stuff at me the other month has been officially cautioned
[18:06] <Azelphur> \o/
[19:49]  * MartijnVdS is still watching F1
[19:49]  * brobostigon is also.
[19:50] <MartijnVdS> I think Ted Kravitz has some water in his equipment.. with all the noises
[19:51] <brobostigon> yes.
[19:51] <brobostigon> maybe.
[20:03] <geek1d> lol http://aimlinux.com/blog/?tag=rofl
[20:24] <davidd_> gpredict
[20:24] <davidd_> exit
[20:33] <MartijnVdS> heh https://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23F1WaterNames
[20:35] <omenrose> hi!! I just want to ask about conky, my conky disappear when I click on my desktop, is there any conf. to make it stay alert in my desktop?
[20:42] <daubers> I'd forgotten how easy Visual Studio stuff makes making GUI apps
[20:44] <gord> time to jump on xorg-edgers i guess, terrifying
[20:47] <Core_UK> daubers: repent
[20:47] <Core_UK> daubers: freedom hater!
[20:48] <gord> visual studio really is very good
[20:48]  * Core_UK is ignorant to freedom haters!
[20:48] <gord> some people refuse to code without it, thats kinda sad, like lost knowledge, but visual studio is still very well made
[20:49] <Core_UK> its okay but I dont use any of the languages
[20:49] <Core_UK> I tried it with a python add on but didnt really give it a lot of thought
[20:52] <MartijnVdS> I'm too used to vim + perl/python
[20:53] <MartijnVdS> I bet VS is good for "MS languages" and C++ though
[20:53] <MartijnVdS> once you get used to it
[20:53] <gord> holy crap the new X is fast
[20:53] <gord> i mean, with sandybridge. the new sna architecture is about 4-5 times faster it feels
[20:53] <MartijnVdS> gord: is that the SandyBridge-Newaccel?
[20:53]  * brobostigon is happy ith nano for c++.
[20:53] <gord> its *really* fast
[20:53] <MartijnVdS> gord: you have working unity then?
[20:53] <gord> yup
[20:53] <MartijnVdS> gord: I get a black screen on oneiric :(
[20:53] <gord> all the corruption is gone too, happy happy me
[20:54] <gord> MartijnVdS, thats your fault for being on oneiric :P crazy person
[20:54] <MartijnVdS> gord: thanks :)
[20:55] <gord> this does pose one problem, i was going to make the dash faster but now i don't have a machine thats slow enough :(
[20:55] <MartijnVdS> sleep(10);
[20:55] <gord> .... no
[20:57] <jacobw> the new X ?
[20:58] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTUyOQ
[21:01] <gord> jacobw, new xorg drivers for intel
[21:01] <gord> using xorg-edgers
[21:01] <doubi> 'evening all. Can anyone advise me on getting Postgres set up? Documentation at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PostgreSQL seems lacking
[21:04] <jacobw> awesome, i've an intel chipset..
[21:04] <jacobw> but i guess this is just for sandybridge?
[21:05]  * jacobw follows MartijnVdS's link
[21:05] <MartijnVdS> no
[21:05] <MartijnVdS> everything since i915 I think
[21:06] <MartijnVdS> though sb has the most improvement
[21:07] <jacobw> this is cool, i installed ubuntu on a laptop with i915, having graphical problems with it so i may try these new drivers
[21:07] <jacobw> not that going from stable to prerelease is a good way to solve problems, but sometimes its cool..
[21:08]  * daubers considers tea or beer
[21:08] <jacobw> tea
[21:08] <jacobw> its sunday
[21:08] <brobostigon> beer. it still early.
[21:08] <MartijnVdS> beer, to drink away your Windows pain
[21:08] <brobostigon> :)
[21:09] <jacobw> (i think i might be a polygon with four equal side and angels)
[21:11] <gord> jacobw, it really won't affect non sandybridge devices :(
[21:12]  * TheOpenSourcerer has been a good boy today. Done quite a bit of work and now thinks he deserves a beer.
[21:13] <brobostigon> :)
[21:13]  * brobostigon has a gin and tonic
[21:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oooh - Now there's a cracking Idea brobostigon
[21:14] <brobostigon> hehe.
[21:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> I have Tanqueray, Schweppes and lemons. No ice mind...
[21:15] <brobostigon> if your tonic is cool, you hould be ok.
[21:15] <diplo> Good evening all
[21:15] <brobostigon> evening diplo
[21:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yeah - see you all tomorrow. Cheers
[21:16] <brobostigon> good night TheOpenSourcerer o/
[21:17] <daubers> kettle boiled
[21:17] <diplo> Please no spoilers on F1, playing catch up atm
[21:17] <diplo> :)
[21:18] <brobostigon> ok, :)
[21:22]  * jacobw wonders if dutchie is present
[21:25] <diplo> Hmm caught up now, seems BBC1 HD wasn't covering, moved to bbc2 now :(
[21:25] <diplo> missed the restart
[21:26] <popey> diplo: bbc hd too
[21:27] <diplo> :(
[21:28]  * diplo moves
[21:28] <diplo> Forget about that channel
[21:28] <diplo> Wish they would group all hd channels closer
[21:32] <gord> O_O lost all my contacts in evolution
[21:32] <gord> why wasn't i using u1 contact sync :( i kept meaning to set it up...
[21:32] <popey> Evening all btw
[21:33] <zleap> hi popey
[21:34] <diplo> I really wish Dexter would get multi contact sync working
[21:34] <diplo> Like the look of the new Gnome contact manager as well
[21:34] <Ricey> evening all :)
[21:36] <gord> just came up with an awesome idea to make the dash faster on O :)
[21:36] <diplo> evening Ricey
[21:37] <Ricey> all well i hope? anyhting new happenin' ?
[21:38] <diplo> Just joined myself :)
[21:39] <Ricey> cool, tell you what though - everytime i have to fix a computer for someone i hate windows more and more!
[21:39] <diplo> heh
[21:39] <Ricey> quite a bad malware infection this time on a netbook
[21:40] <Ricey> sheesh!
[21:41] <diplo> :P
[21:44] <jacobw> windows on a netbook :(
[21:44] <Ricey> oh tell me about it - xp mind you but still :(
[21:45] <Ricey> 7 infections so far and counting, that's just off malwarebytes!
[21:50] <RaycisCharles> Ricey, I'd probably blame you for using a 10-year-old OS.
[21:51] <Ricey> lol if i'd installed it then i would blame me too!
[21:51] <Ricey> but this time it's acer's fault for putting it on ;)
[21:51] <RaycisCharles> More like, your fault for not installing Mint on that netbook.
[21:52] <RaycisCharles> Nobody would expect a 10-year-old Linux distro to work well on modern hardware, even if it was fully patched.
[21:52] <Ricey> i would surely love to if i had my own way ;)  but .... hang on i might just do it anyway ;)
[21:52] <RaycisCharles> So I don't understand why people buy hardware with an ancient version of Windows on it, and expect it to not suck.
[21:52] <Ricey> preaching to the converted here!
[21:53] <RaycisCharles> I'm glad I could change your mind.
[21:53] <RaycisCharles> Just a shame there's no Mint channel on freenode.
[21:53] <Ricey> you didn't have to it was already changed ;)
[21:53] <Ricey> has been for years!
[21:53]  * jacobw is suprised there is no #mint
[21:55] <Ricey> they have their own irc server don't they?
[21:56] <Ricey> Official support channel is #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org
[21:59] <brobostigon> mock the week, has been beated by F1, :(
[21:59] <brobostigon> beaten*
[22:00] <Ricey> :)
[22:00] <brobostigon> :(
[22:00] <Ricey> indeed, how are you fella anyway - all ok?
[22:01] <brobostigon> Ricey: not bad, could be better. and you?
[22:01] <Ricey> good, same here, glad to be at home for a whle at least
[22:01] <brobostigon> :)
[22:01] <Ricey> been away far too much recently
[22:02] <brobostigon> not good.
[22:02] <Ricey> too true - 300 days away in 2 years isn't fun!
[22:03] <jacobw> long time :o
[22:03] <brobostigon> ouch,
[22:03] <Ricey> aye, and another 3 months to come as of august
[22:03] <brobostigon> that would be a nightmare for me.
[22:04] <Ricey> my missus isn't best ahppy at the min
[22:04] <brobostigon> i can imagine.
[22:04] <Ricey> at least for the 3 months it's in the states and will have a decent broadband connection
[22:04] <Ricey> ;)
[22:04] <brobostigon> :)
[22:04] <brobostigon> lte.*
[22:04] <dutchie> jacobw: i am now
[22:04] <brobostigon> 4g*
[22:04]  * dutchie reads back
[22:05] <Ricey> no, not there yet ;) it's in the hotel
[22:05] <Ricey> i don't think there is 4g in nebraska yet ;) too backwards!
[22:05] <brobostigon> Ricey: ohwell.
[22:05] <Ricey> i might check again though.....
[22:05] <dutchie> jacobw: not particularly clear what you wanted...
[22:05] <Ricey> 4g LTE they call it right?
[22:06] <brobostigon> Ricey: either of those two.
[22:06] <Ricey> k
[22:08] <jacobw> i was wondering if being a maths student you had any opinions of how long it'd take to learn the concepts behind a level maths
[22:08] <jacobw> the pure stuff, not s1/2 or m1/2
[22:09] <dutchie> jacobw: i'd say not long, but then i am an oxford mathematician looking back at the end of my first year...
[22:09] <jacobw> heh
[22:10] <jacobw> cool
[22:10] <dutchie> i can't particularly remember what's on c1-4 nowadays anyway
[22:11] <jacobw> trigonometry, identities, differential calculus
[22:11] <dutchie> "identities"?
[22:12] <jacobw> minus the comma
[22:12] <dutchie> differentiation is pretty easy
[22:12] <dutchie> trig identities are simple once you've got them learned
[22:12] <dutchie> trig itself is straightforward
[22:12] <dutchie> isn't there some integration in there too?
[22:13] <jacobw> yes
[22:13] <jacobw> i don't entirely know what i'm talking about to be honest
[22:14] <jacobw> i want to try maths with the open university so i'm trying to judge where to jump in
[22:15] <jacobw> i've studied some AS level maths before, so i guess i just need to refamiliarise with c1/2 topics
[22:16] <dutchie> no harm in buying a textbook and looking through it
[22:17] <jacobw> yeah, i think that's what i'm going to do
[22:19] <jacobw> thanks for putting up with my silly questions :)
[22:43] <daubers> . /o\ trig ID's
[22:44] <daubers> The main reason I loved Mathematica as a student was because I loathed and detested remembering trig id's :) Always shifted trig into e notation when I could
[22:45] <daubers> Hmmm... conundrum
[22:46] <daubers> What version controlling system works best on windows
[22:51] <diplo> daubers, i use svn with tortoise
[22:51] <diplo> works well for me
[22:52] <daubers> Ooooh bzr integrates really nicely
[22:53] <daubers> Also means I don't have to learn any new command sets \o/ Hooray for lazyness
[22:53] <diplo> About to start trying bzr at work in next week or two
[22:53] <daubers> diplo: We use bzr at work :)
[22:54] <daubers> Right! Early morning tomorrow
[22:54] <daubers> Night all
[22:54] <diplo> nn
[22:54] <brobostigon> good night, sleep well.
[22:55] <roachy> evening folks
[23:02] <Ricey> well the netbook is a right off
[23:02] <Ricey> completely hosed
[23:04] <Ricey> hope they'll let me put ubuntu on!
[23:12] <Azelphur> is there any way to do find and replace in a bunch of files?
[23:12] <Azelphur> like replace all, but on a bunch of files
[23:14] <Ricey> is this for the filenames or the files themselves?
[23:16] <Azelphur> files themselves
[23:16] <Ricey> so you need to find a certain set of files then do what exactly?
[23:16] <Azelphur> I want to replace the content of a bunch of text files
[23:17] <Azelphur> for example if there's 70 text files all in one folder, and they all contain a URL which is no longer valid
[23:17] <Azelphur> I want to replace the URL with a valid one :)
[23:19] <Ricey> it can certainly be done, probably with a small shell script script
[23:19] <Ricey> only one script there
[23:19] <Ricey> it depends on whether you need the URL verification to be automatic
[23:19] <Azelphur> yea, I think I got it with sed
[23:19] <Ricey> i was about to suggest the very same
[23:19] <Azelphur> :)
[23:20] <Ricey> it's a handy tool
[23:42] <Ricey> night all


[00:51] <lazyPower> bradm: apologies. It was late when I lent a hand to that venture and had not looked at the bug tracker.
[00:52] <lazyPower> I'll leave a note to investigate first thing Tuesday morning. Just hopped on to see the ping :) Happy holiday o/
[04:50] <AskUbuntu> MaaS + JuJu on a single PC, MaaS as host for VM Nodes (LXC + KVM) | http://askubuntu.com/q/472230
[07:39] <cjohnston> wallyworld_: ping
[07:39] <wallyworld_> hi
[07:44] <wallyworld_> cjohnston: what can i do for you?
[07:46] <cjohnston> wallyworld_: could you please look at bug #1319947 and tell me what else you may need
[07:46] <_mup_> Bug #1319947: LXC local provider fails to provision precise instances from a trusty host - take 2 <juju-core:Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1319947>
[07:47] <wallyworld_> cjohnston: the cloud init log from the lxc container would be useful
[07:48] <cjohnston> wallyworld_: meaning like machine-1 or somehting?
[07:49] <wallyworld_> cjohnston: /var/log/cloud-init.log or similar
[07:49] <wallyworld_> from the container
[07:50] <cjohnston> wallyworld_: the containers are stuck in pending
[07:50] <wallyworld_> cjohnston: you should be able to ssh into them
[07:50] <cjohnston> wallyworld_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7519544/
[07:51] <wallyworld_> cjohnston: pending normally means that the containers have come up but the juju processes inside haven't and so the phone home ping doesn't happen
[07:51] <wallyworld_> but you should be able to ssh in
[07:51] <cjohnston> juju ssh 1
[07:51] <cjohnston> ERROR machine "1" has no public address
[07:52] <wallyworld_> how about lxc-ls --fancy and trying to ssh into the ip address?
[07:53] <cjohnston> wallyworld_: no output
[07:53] <wallyworld_> does lxc-ls --fancy say the containers have started
[07:53] <wallyworld_> oh, maybe not
[07:53] <wallyworld_> that implies perhaps that the precise image was not downloaded
[07:53] <wallyworld_> what's the contents of /var/lib/lxc
[07:54] <cjohnston> jenkins  juju-precise-template  lpdev
[07:55] <wallyworld_> and juju-precise-template contains stuff like config, rootfs etc?
[07:56] <wallyworld_> is there any info in the lxc logs on the host to indicate why the container could not be started?
[07:58] <cjohnston> config  fstab  rootfs
[07:58] <wallyworld_> cjohnston: what version of lxc do you have installed?
[07:59] <wallyworld_> dpkg -s lxc ?
[07:59] <cjohnston> wallyworld_: would I be looking in something like lxc/lxc-monitord.log ?
[07:59] <cjohnston> Installed: 1.0.3-0ubuntu3
[07:59] <wallyworld_> maybe, not sure tbh
[07:59] <wallyworld_> that's the correct version i think
[08:00] <wallyworld_> cjohnston: is this your own machine or a cloud instance you are using?
[08:00] <cjohnston> wallyworld_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7519597/
[08:00] <cjohnston> my desktop
[08:00] <wallyworld_> if it were a cloud instance we could perhaps ssh in to poke around
[08:01] <wallyworld_> you have juju-local installed?
[08:01] <cjohnston> juju-local:
[08:01] <cjohnston>   Installed: 1.18.3-0ubuntu1~14.04.1~juju1
[08:02] <wallyworld_> hmmm, i'm running out of ideas
[08:03] <wallyworld_> cjohnston: out of interest, does starting a trusty container work?
[08:04] <wallyworld_> ie set default-series: trusty in env config?
[08:04] <cjohnston> it did, I haven't tried it since 18.3
[08:07] <wallyworld_> hmm. so just precise
[08:08] <wallyworld_> cjohnston: what you can do is type in by hand the lxc commands that juju would use to start a precise container to see where any error might be
[08:09] <wallyworld_> juju just shells out and calls lxc-create etc
[08:09] <cjohnston> ack.. I'll see if I can find time for that while I'm sprinting
[08:09] <cjohnston> coffee break.. ping me later if you get time.. thanks wallyworld_
[08:09] <wallyworld_> cjohnston: if you could, that would be great, since i'm out of obvious suggstions
[08:09] <wallyworld_> ok will do
[14:53] <sebas5384> hello charmers and juju'ers :)
[15:08] <sebas5384> awesome charm!! http://manage.jujucharms.com/~gnuoy/precise/content-fetcher
[15:16] <sarnold> wow looks neat :)
[15:17] <sebas5384> sarnold: yeah but doesn't have git clone :(
[15:18] <sarnold> sebas5384: it feels like something it'll grow eventually :)
[15:18] <sarnold> I was hoping to see something for .gpg or sha256 sum validation, but again, hopefully something it'll grow
[15:19] <sebas5384> yeah will see
[15:19] <mmelo> Hi guys , i need a little help.
[15:19] <mmelo> In my local environment after changed dhcp.conf configurations to force specific ip address to the charms juju dont refresh this new addresses to the charms.
[15:20] <sebas5384> mmelo: know nothing about dhcp :(
[15:20] <sarnold> mmelo: I'm no wizard here but that feels like one of the problems easiest solved with destroying and rebuilding the environment
[15:21] <mmelo> i lost my relation between wordpress and mysql for example, i try to recreate relation but does not work
[17:28] <hackedbellini> hi guys. So, some of my lxc changed ips, but the relation is still using the old one
[17:28] <hackedbellini> In the logs, I didn't see any call for 'db-relation-changed' after the ip changed. Is there a way that I can manually force it?
[17:28] <hackedbellini> note that I cannot destroy any unit/service/relation/environment as I'm on a production server
[17:48] <avoine> hackedbellini: I don't think Juju was planned for that. Can you trigger a relation-set from other hooks? like start, stop, upgrade, etc
[17:53] <hackedbellini> avoine: I tried triggering the upgrade hook by forcing it with the '--force' flag. The config file that contains the db ip is being overridden (I tried changing by hand but it changes when a hook is called)
[17:53] <hackedbellini> but for some reason, although juju knows the new ip of the db, it is not getting it right on the 'relation-get'. The most strange part comes now: I have 2 mediawiki installations (same charm but deployed with different aliases) connected to the same mysql unit. When mysql unit changed ip, the change was propagated to one wiki, but not to the other
[17:54] <hackedbellini> I tried restarting juju-agent just now.... I saw in the logs that _a lot_ happened in the units. But the same is happening... one wiki has the new mysql ip and the other don't
[17:55] <sebas5384> constraints on juju-local is working?
[17:57] <avoine> hackedbellini: strange
[17:58] <avoine> hackedbellini: maybe this could help you: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/juju-dbinspect
[17:59] <hackedbellini> well, as someone just said to me, the mediawiki strange problem where one unit "changed" the ip and the other don't might have another reason. It seems a workmate here changed it by hand
[17:59] <hackedbellini> but well, for some other charms, the realtion is still reporting the old ip
[17:59] <hackedbellini> avoine: thanks! I'll take a look
[18:09] <sebas5384> constraints with juju-local isn't working or, im doing something wrong hehe
[18:09] <sebas5384> juju set-constraints --service drupal mem=2G cpu-cores=2
[18:16] <hackedbellini> avoine: I need the system administrator to install some packages for me so I'm able to use the tool you suggested
[18:16] <hackedbellini> in the mean time: I did some testing and I'm almost sure now. The lxc ip changed, but the "provider" of the db relation (mysql, postgresql, etc) is not calling 'relation-set' again
[18:16] <hackedbellini> On  the other charm, 'relation-get' is returning the old ip. So, if I made mysql/postgresql run relation-set again, it would probably make things right. Do you know how can I do that by hand?
[18:17] <avoine> hackedbellini: I think not, well not directly
[18:27] <avoine> hackedbellini: let me check I think I have an other way
[18:33] <hackedbellini> avoine: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7523369/
[18:33] <hackedbellini> this is what is happening when I try to open a shell on juju-db
[18:33] <hackedbellini> it tries to do a 'cat /var/lib/juju/agents/machine-0/agent.conf', but that file doesn't exist
[18:33] <hackedbellini> it exists actually, but not in that path
[18:33] <avoine> hackedbellini: that might be risky but you could check the relation cache under: /var/lib/juju/agents/unit-mediawiki-0/state/relations/
[18:34] <hackedbellini> the right path would be /var/lib/juju/.juju/local/agents/machine-0/agent.conf
[18:34] <avoine> ouch
[18:38] <avoine> that's a bug
[18:38] <hackedbellini> avoine: hrm, I can't find any unit-xxx directory
[18:38] <hackedbellini> I tried: find . -type d -name "*unit*" but it didn't find anything
[18:38] <hackedbellini> where more could this be?
[18:38] <avoine> hackedbellini: this is on your mediawiki machine
[18:38] <hackedbellini> I mean, that relations cache direcotory you said
[18:38] <hackedbellini> ahhh, ok
[18:40] <hackedbellini> avoine: found it. But this is the only information present there: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7523432/
[18:41] <avoine> hum, not very usefull
[18:44] <hackedbellini> avoine: yes :(
[18:44] <hackedbellini> I'm totally lost here
[18:54] <hackedbellini> avoine: is there anything I can do with the juju-db utility so I can connect to mongo?
[18:55] <avoine> hackedbellini: maybe changing the wrong path hard coded
[18:55] <avoine> but you wont be able to modify the database
[18:56] <avoine> only inspect it
[18:56] <avoine> so no very usefull in your case
[18:56] <hackedbellini> avoine: hrmmm, didn't know that
[18:58] <avoine> I thought there was a cache somewhere that you could change but there is not
[19:00] <avoine> hackedbellini: you could comment here to ask for a raise in the priority of this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1256053
[19:04] <hackedbellini> avoine: very nice! I'll surely add me to the "affected" people and see if I can make a useful comment there. Thank you!
[22:06] <AskUbuntu> Juju Ceilometer-Agent is not reporting about nova-compute | http://askubuntu.com/q/472646
[23:33] <bradm> lazyPower: no need to apologies, I was glad of the help :)  Plus, some of us didn't get the holiday, I'm in a slightly different timezone.


[07:35] <Pinchiukas_> Sven_vB_: what config would that be?
[09:04] <aturetta> is there an image for 22.04 RC, or is it just a source freeze?
[09:04] <aturetta> I only find BETA images
[09:07] <ravage> aturetta, https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[10:10] <bittin> Installing the RC now and listening to the LUP Easter Episode: https://linuxunplugged.com/454 about 22.04 and F36
[10:58]  * bittin is upgrading from RC1 to RC 1.5 now and testing
[14:33] <lotuspsychje> hey PaulW2U
[14:33] <PaulW2U> lotuspsychje: Hello, I've been ISO testing. Kubuntu looks good
[14:34] <lotuspsychje> daniel pointed your git find to my bug #1969175
[14:34] <lotuspsychje> nice PaulW2U
[14:36] <PaulW2U> I won't be moving to Kooky Kangaroo or whatever and Ubuntu Jammy has far too many issues for me at this time
[14:36] <PaulW2U> Kubuntu 22.04 might be where I go after Ubuntu's release on Thursday. it just works for me.
[14:37] <lotuspsychje> im an lts tester, so after final -next will be 24.04 for me :p
[14:37] <lotuspsychje> the kubuntu community is great
[14:39] <PaulW2U> Right. I've never understood why GNOME > Debian mean changes and Debian > Ubuntu means further changes....
[14:40] <PaulW2U> I was a Kubuntu user from 11.04 to 14.10 but the move to plasma 5 was not good. it's so much better with the jammy release
[14:40] <lotuspsychje> im sticking to -desktop where ever it goes, for my customers using LTS desktops
[14:42] <rbasak> Has anyone else noticed windows that were maximised that didn't extend into the dock area later expanding into the dock area as well?
[14:42] <rbasak> I keep having to un-maximise and re-maximise to fix that.
[14:45] <lotuspsychje> can you tell us the steps to reproduce rbasak
[14:45] <rbasak> Sorry, I can't. I don't know how to reproduce it. I just see it happening now and then.
[14:46] <lotuspsychje> i dont noticed min/max issues right away
[14:46] <rbasak> I do switch virtual workspaces quite a bit, and use standby quite a bit. That's all I know really. That's why I was wondering if anyone else had seen the behaviour.
[14:46] <PaulW2U> rbasak: I don't think I've seen that problem
[14:48] <lotuspsychje> what should i try a lot to maybe invoke it?
[14:49] <PaulW2U> lotuspsychje: I'd like to stick with Ubuntu for 22.04 as I have 18.04 and 20.04 on another laptop but 22.04 is so problematical for me running Wayland and two monitors
[14:49] <lotuspsychje> i see PaulW2U maybe a .1 might sort your issue out
[14:50] <PaulW2U> lotuspsychje: if I'm still here for that..
[14:50] <lotuspsychje> : )
[14:58] <lotuspsychje> rbasak: we are both on intel graphics, and you?
[15:02] <rbasak> otp now, sorry, my laptop is not with me any more. I think it's Intel - Dell XPS 9360. I can check later, but if it's not affecting others much, maybe it's not important enough to care.
[15:02] <rbasak> I think it happens on combinations of suspend/resume/unlock cycles and switching virtual workspaces. With multiple apps.
[15:03] <rbasak> It's obvious because the dock is transluscent and so I know it happens when I start seeing things underneath it.
[15:03] <lotuspsychje> i see
[15:14] <en11gma> did the devs fix the 3060 ti with white screen? i was able to move my 3060ti from an amd X570 5600x system to a B660 12600k system and it does the same thing
[15:15] <en11gma> im writing 04-19-22 to usb stick and will boot to a live enviroment to check soon for myself. im guessing its not fixed that quick
[15:15] <en11gma> bet it wont get in before final release 04-21-22
[15:16] <en11gma> HUGE problem. ppl with 30xx series cards will not be able to update if running live usb from the final.
[15:16] <en11gma> they will have to get a daily at some point if they want to use live usb
[15:16] <en11gma> or wait for a point release
[15:17] <en11gma> i did also check the display port on the 30xx gpu but using a display port to hdmi adapter/dongle thingy
[15:18] <en11gma> when i boot up this next time i will take a picture with my camera and upload to imgur.com and link that pic if its all white screen again.
[15:46] <en11gma> here are the pictures
[15:46] <en11gma> https://imgur.com/a/cGTxJqi
[15:46] <en11gma> im going to try and download a different flavor and see what happens
[15:47] <en11gma> i did a cntrl-alt-t to get a term and then typed that command. it was froze for a long time and then it finally logged me out
[15:47] <en11gma> to a white screen gui. i didnt get a pic of that
[15:56] <PaulW2U> en11gma: further to your comments at https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2022/04/18/%23ubuntu-next.txt can you link to any bug reports that you have raised regarding your concerns?
[18:41] <bittin> RC2 is out now
[18:43] <bittin> http://hackerpublicradio.org/eps.php?id=3576 HPR about 22.04 Betas and RCs
[22:29] <enigma9o7[m]> I installed ubuntu server, then lxde.  (Nothing else).   It seems LXDE has a hard dependency on mousepad, which I think is a mistake.
[22:29] <enigma9o7[m]> Leadfpad was removed from debian for no longer being officially maintained, but both gedit (from gnome) and mousepad (from xfce) got installed.  Pretty sure only one of those should get installed, and the CONTROL file for lxde should allow any text editor.... meaning I should be able to remove leafpad.
[22:33] <enigma9o7[m]> errr be able to remove mousepad
[22:36] <kryten> Well, I dunno where you got gedit from but lxde currently just specifies "mousepad | leafpad" as alternative dependencies.
[22:43] <enigma9o7[m]> Yeah, hence why I cannot remove mousepad.
[22:44] <kryten> Yep.
[22:47] <howarth> Fixed /lib/udev/rules.d/61-gdm.rules to allow Wayland under Nvidia again when /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-power-management.conf contains 'options nvidia NVreg_PreserveVideoMemoryAllocations=1'
[22:48] <howarth> The current test for NVreg_PreserveVideoMemoryAllocations=1 in /lib/udev/rules.d/61-gdm.rules is broken
[22:48] <howarth> If you change it from
[22:48] <howarth> IMPORT{program}="/bin/sh -c \"sed -e 's/: /=/g' -e 's/\([^[:upper:]]\)\([[:upper:]]\)/\1_\2/g' -e 's/[[:lower:]]/\U&/g' -e 's/^/NVIDIA_/' /proc/driver/nvidia/params\""
[22:49] <howarth> which doesn't parse the escaped double quotes properly to
[22:49] <howarth> IMPORT{program}="/bin/sh -c 'sed -e \"s/: /=/g\" -e \"s/\([^[:upper:]]\)\([[:upper:]]\)/\1_\2/g\" -e \"s/[[:lower:]]/\U&/g\" -e \"s/^/NVIDIA_/\" /proc/driver/nvidia/params'"
[22:49] <howarth> it works fine
[22:50] <howarth> I figured that out from looking at the example of the original udev commit to support escaped quotes
[22:50] <howarth> which had the same pattern
[22:50] <howarth>  PROGRAM=="/bin/sh -c 'FOO=\"%s{model}\"; echo ${FOO:0:4}'"
[22:50] <howarth> of double quotes surrounding single quotes surrounding escaped double quotes
[22:51] <enigma9o7[m]> I'm curious why gedit got installed too.  I looked thru `apt rdepends gedit` and I dont think I have any of that stuff installed.  Is there a way to query apt or dpkg to tell me any details about how it got installed or what reccommended it?
[22:52] <enigma9o7[m]> or maybe there's some logs I could look into?