[04:16] <mup> Bug #1788095 opened: aws-gov can't read cloud streams file <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1788095>
[23:48] <mup> Bug #1788095 changed: aws-gov can't read cloud streams file <cloud-images:New> <juju:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1788095>


[10:04] <pjotter> Hi people! I'm trying to visit a page on launchpad.net but I get a timeout message. Is there a problem with launchpad atm?
[10:05] <wgrant> Yep, we're investigating a problem with one of our firewalls.
[10:05] <pjotter> O wait... I see now. Serverupgrades :)
[10:05] <wgrant> Not upgrades, sadly.
[10:05] <pjotter> Ok, I'll just try again later. Thanks!
[10:05] <wgrant> Just a boring old outage of some sort.
[10:06] <pjotter> Hope it will be fixed soon
[10:09] <Moody> launchpad down?
[10:10] <wgrant> Working on a firewall issue, see /topic
[10:14] <Moody> up again
[10:15] <wgrant> Yep, things should be recovering now.
[10:15] <pjotter> It works! :D Hurray!
[11:31] <arp11600> hello
[11:31] <arp11600> everyone
[22:42] <oparoz> It seems the snap builder is having connectivity issues again
[22:43] <oparoz> fatal: unable to access 'https://github.com/rogpeppe/godeps/': Could not resolve host: github.com
[22:43] <oparoz> package github.com/rogpeppe/godeps: exit status 128


[02:30] <somsip> you know that @unopaste does mute anyone even after it says that it will, right?
[02:30] <somsip> *doesn't
[02:33] <Unit193> It muted the guy right before it said its message.
[02:34] <somsip> ok
[06:58] <rww> AlanBell: unopaste's mute text has a comma splice :( :( :'(
[07:00] <valorie> grammar police to the front of the class!
[17:13] <IdleOne> another ircap ident
[17:45] <k1l> iswop: hi
[19:11] <rww> Yeah, I think I will switch the banforward on ircap to a straight ban.
[21:19] <k1l> optrusty: hi, can we help you?
[21:20] <optrusty> oh I was looking at the how to be an op
[21:25] <pleia2> optrusty: documentation for requirements and application process are here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcTeam/OperatorRequirements
[21:26] <optrusty> thanks bye
[22:43] <Jordan_U> I asked someone to join a more appropriate channel, and they did! Today is a good day.
[22:53] <optrusty> hi I requested an application for the #ubuntu channel
[22:55] <optrusty> so what do i do now I requested an application can some one help me
[22:56] <phunyguy> yeah, you didn't read that page at all, huh...
[22:56] <optrusty> I did
[22:57] <phunyguy> you may want to read it again.  It highlights the entire process.
[22:58] <phunyguy> operator application process -> #2 and #3
[22:58] <optrusty> what do you mean
[22:59]  * phunyguy wanders off
[23:01] <optrusty> If you go look at launch pad I am requesting to join the team
[23:02] <valorie> optrusty: have you fulfilled all the requirements on the page you were given?
[23:04] <phunyguy> I am looking on the launchpad page, and you have not applied.
[23:05] <optrusty> yes
[23:05] <phunyguy> oh wait, my bad, was looking at the wrong one
[23:08] <optrusty> #ubuntu on the pending side Yafeat Alemayhu
[23:08] <phunyguy> optrusty: bottom line, you have to wait.  There is a process for this, which in some cases, can take months.
[23:08] <optrusty> oh
[23:08] <phunyguy> if you look close, you will see, I am also on that pending list. :)
[23:08] <valorie> it's all there on the page
[23:08] <phunyguy> for that channel anyway.
[23:09] <valorie> or the links off that page
[23:09] <optrusty> is it that introductory course
[23:09] <optrusty> ok
[23:11] <optrusty> oh ya can you please help a spanish user is pasting this link on private chat and wont leave me alone
[23:11] <phunyguy> optrusty: what is the name?
[23:12] <phunyguy> optrusty: also, there isn't much we can to do prevent private message spam.  It should be taken up with #freenode.
[23:13] <optrusty> iswop
[23:19] <phunyguy> optrusty: that person has been banforwarded here, they are in the channel.
[23:27] <ikonia> optrusty: do you need something from this channel ?


[03:13] <lug|36664> Greetings, DVLUG members.  Introducing myself David A. from Antioch.   I came out to Caffe Scala to join the group for todays meeting, however I arrived around 730pm and I have not seen anyone that appears to be part of the group.  Was the meeting venue changed or perhaps ended early, low turnout?  Curious if the group has a meetup page where we ca
[03:13] <lug|36664> n RSVP and see the number of attendees before driving out.  Hope to meet with you guys eventually and talk Linux.
[03:16] <lug|36664> join #berkeleylug
[03:41] <DAVID-A> hi, my name is Dave Arnold. I am at Caffe Scala in Walnut Creek.  It appears the meeting was canceled for the Diable Valley LUG.  Is anyone in attendance in Berkeley?  This is my first appearance
[03:56] <DAVID-A> HELLO?
[03:56] <DAVID-A> this looks pretty dead... must be on the wrong forums, or perhaps friday nights everyone is out partying...


[07:20] <ricotz> kenvandine, hi :), fyi https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+snap/gnome-characters
[07:53] <cpaelzer> Hi, anybody working on the autopkgtest fails of livecd-rootfs already (http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/l/livecd-rootfs/disco/amd64) ?
[07:54] <cpaelzer> jbicha: I saw you retrying it for rsync, let me know if you know someone is already on that
[07:55] <cpaelzer> I'm collecting just the basic info of that issue right now as it starts to block more packages migration ...
[07:55] <cpaelzer> rbasak: in case you heard anything yesterday that I might have missed ^^ ?
[08:08] <rbasak> I didn't
[08:32] <cpaelzer> FYI: I filed bug 1813730 for the issue I asked above hoping that others looking for it find the bug and we can join forces
[08:48] <cpaelzer> rbalint: I just saw in the livecd-rootfs testcase that you are listed as Author, therefore ping as FYI for the bug above ^^
[08:50] <rbalint> cpaelzer, i just noticed you are on it, and i already started triaging but did not get much further yet
[08:50] <rbalint> cpaelzer, nor i filed a tracking bug :-(
[08:51] <cpaelzer> rbalint: "I'm on it" is saying too much, I'm staring at it and blindly try random things :-)
[08:51] <cpaelzer> if anything I post in the bug rings a bell for you let me know
[08:53] <rbalint> cpaelzer, my hunch is udevadm timing uout thus I'm now reproducing with timestamped output and cleanup trap disabled
[08:54] <rbalint> cpaelzer, (no packages from proposed)
[08:56] <cpaelzer> rbalint: the most recent error seems to be around "loop0p1 is in use", you think that this is due to udev timing out?
[08:56] <cpaelzer> I'd have expected that this is more due to some background process not letting go properly
[08:57] <rbalint> cpaelzer, in theory prior umount should have cut out any process accessing the device
[08:57] <cpaelzer> also it seems to fail only with the ubuntu-cpc template, but since I don't even know what that does I need a while for my next step
[09:00] <rbalint> cpaelzer, cloud images so they have ext4 partition causing us trouble :-)
[09:01] <cpaelzer> rbalint: it seems your understanding of this area is much better than mine so I should stop wasting my time and rely on you - will you update bug 1813730 with what you continue to find?
[09:01] <cpaelzer> thanks in advance
[09:02] <rbalint> cpaelzer, yes, sure, thanks for looking into it and sorry for not opening a bug earlier
[09:03] <cpaelzer> not a problem
[09:22] <rbasak> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/auto-sync/ could do with some sharding. It's killing my browser a little :-/
[09:31] <rbasak> That's odd. I see dep8 failures on the excuses page, which seem valid since they have corresponding logs, but the failures don't appear in eg. http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/m/mysql-5.7/disco/ppc64el
[09:31] <rbasak> From that page it's as if these tests never took place.
[09:32] <rbasak> The passing ones appear but the failing ones seem to all be absent.
[09:34] <cpaelzer> rbasak: I recently had failing tests missing as well
[09:34] <cpaelzer> rbasak: but I thought it was because I rerun them with all kinds of extra triggers and had assumed I would have been too trigger-happy :-)
[09:35] <cpaelzer> rbasak: did the one you are missing just finish and might just take a while, or did it run quite a while ago?
[09:35] <rbasak> It is all very recent so there could be some lag I suppose.
[09:36] <cpaelzer> the one I was missing (but did not have too many triggers) ran about 1.5 hours ago and so far didn't appear
[09:37] <cpaelzer> I'd expect one more run here http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/l/livecd-rootfs/disco/amd64 for qemu+all-proposed=1
[09:37] <cpaelzer> I thought I give it some time to appear, not sure when it would be "too long"
[09:37] <cpaelzer> I have seen it in http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running and it is no more there now
[09:38] <Laney> it's just slow
[09:38] <Laney> you can browse swift manually to find results immediately
[09:38] <Laney> e.g. for livecd-rootfs
[09:38] <Laney> https://objectstorage.prodstack4-5.canonical.com/v1/AUTH_77e2ada1e7a84929a74ba3b87153c0ac/autopkgtest-disco/?format=plain&prefix=disco/amd64/l/livecd-rootfs/
[09:38] <Laney> that leads you to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:39] <Laney> help would be welcome to implement a nicer way for the website to retrieve results than polling
[09:39] <Laney> e.g. using amqp to signal completion
[09:39] <rbasak> Thanks, that's useful to know.
[09:40] <rbasak> Knowing that it's not a bug that causes the results to be absent forever is very helpful. Now my wait is bounded :)
[09:40]  * rbasak will just look at it again later
[09:40] <Laney> (also, proposed-migration isn't subject to this delay since it fetches the results itself)
[09:40] <Laney> probably if it were someone would have fixed it sooner :P
[09:50] <rbasak> :)
[09:51] <rbasak> jbicha: are you familiar with mythtv? It currently FTBFS on a couple of arches, causing it to be stuck in proposed. It's the last stuck rdep of libmysqlclient20 that I want to transition.
[09:59]  * rbasak filed bug 1813746
[10:00] <rbasak> I intend to proceed anyway, and we'll have to sort it on the way.
[11:06] <ahasenack> sil2100: hi, good morning/afternoon, wondering if you could help me a bit. I have 3 bileto tickets (https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3610, 3611 and 3613) that have "queued" tests since last friday, nothing has run
[11:06] <ahasenack> sil2100: do you have access to logs about that perhaps?
[11:18] <sil2100> ahasenack: hey! hm, weird, let me take a look
[11:19] <sil2100> argh
[11:19] <sil2100> 2019-01-29 10:59:45.746494 Updating ticket 3610: 401 UNAUTHORIZED
[11:20] <sil2100> ahasenack: let me try getting that fixed, but in the meantime it seems that 3610 was passing: https://objectstorage.prodstack4-5.canonical.com/v1/AUTH_39a8dbb93caf4ec889f8a1b7f69885db/bileto-3610-excuses/2019-01-29_10:20:01/3610_cosmic_excuses.html
[11:21] <ahasenack> thanks
[11:21] <sil2100> I'll quickly look at the other two and then try to find a way to make Bileto update the tickets contents again
[11:22] <sil2100> https://objectstorage.prodstack4-5.canonical.com/v1/AUTH_39a8dbb93caf4ec889f8a1b7f69885db/bileto-3611-excuses/2019-01-29_10:20:01/3611_bionic_excuses.html <- 3611 is green as well
[11:22] <sil2100> https://objectstorage.prodstack4-5.canonical.com/v1/AUTH_39a8dbb93caf4ec889f8a1b7f69885db/bileto-3613-excuses/2019-01-29_10:20:01/3613_disco_excuses.html <- and 3613 disco too
[11:22]  * ahasenack copies the links
[11:23] <sil2100> I think this might just be a case of the token not updating itself again, but yeah, I'll know more once I'm done with my current thing
[11:23] <ahasenack> ok, I won't resubmit, specially since they are green :)
[11:23] <ahasenack> thanks
[11:37] <kenvandine> ricotz: fixing, thanks!
[12:07] <jbicha> LocutusOfBorg: hi, could you follow up on bug 1813587?
[13:09] <ahasenack> sil2100: bileto tickets updated themselves, thanks!
[13:09] <andrewsh[m]> can anyone see my messages?
[13:09] <ahasenack> I mean, with your nudging I'm sure :)
[13:09] <andrewsh> andrewsh[m]: right, it works now
[13:09] <ahasenack> andrewsh[m]: I can
[13:09] <andrewsh> ahasenack: I was posting here yesterday and nobody could see me
[13:09] <andrewsh> because I wasn't logged in :/
[13:10] <andrewsh> I thought everyone was very ignorant of me :D
[13:10] <ahasenack> right, that had to be changed because of a spam attack last year
[13:10] <andrewsh[m]> > is there any chance this patch gets tested and applied? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1733557/comments/120
[13:11] <andrewsh[m]> > I know Unity doesn’t receive much attention these days, but nevertheless, if I want a bug fixed in Disco and the LTS, who should I prod for this?
[13:11] <andrewsh[m]> > there’s a patch one of the commenters have produced which other users report helped with the issue
[13:12] <xnox> rbasak, systemd stopped ignoring failures from safe remounts... which should be possible if unsharing a mount namespace is. But that didn't work, due to apparmor denials.
[13:12] <xnox> rbalint, opened lxd apparmor profile bug. But there is a manual workaround one can apply.
[13:13] <xnox> rbasak, see the bug report.
[13:13] <xnox> https://bugs.launchpad.net/lxd/+bug/1813622
[13:17] <ahasenack> andrewsh[m]: the rules for a stable release update are listed in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates. In particular, the bug needs this template filled out: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#SRU_Bug_Template
[13:22] <andrewsh[m]> ahasenack: thanks; I suspect it's best to get it fixed in the current development release first. Since I don’t have upload rights to Ubuntu-only packages, I understand I need to find someone who does that for me
[13:22] <LocutusOfBorg> jbicha, done
[13:24] <ahasenack> andrewsh[m]: correct, and fixing it in disco (if it's still present there) is actually a requirement for the sru
[13:24] <jbicha> andrewsh[m]: if you prepare the debdiff and subscribe ubuntu-sponsors to the bug, it will show up on http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/
[13:27] <andrewsh[m]> right; before I go ahead, could please someone with some PAM knowledge sanity-check the patch just to make sure I don’t prepare an upload that doesn’t make sense? my knowledge of PAM is very infra-basic to be honest
[13:38] <andrewsh[m]> right, commit 44e60221 seems to have introduced this bug, by Andrea Azzarone<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:42] <sil2100> ahasenack: yay! So indeed it was the cache, I kicked it and this fixed it, as always
[13:43] <ahasenack> cool
[13:43] <sil2100> ahasenack: if we ever resume Bileto-work, solving the outdating-cache issue would be one thing I'd like to do
[13:43] <ahasenack> sil2100: I hope it can be brought up in one of these product sprints :)
[13:49] <andrewsh[m]> hmm, I’m not sure how can I submit a merge request to the project’s Git repo
[13:50] <andrewsh[m]> actually, I’m not sure I can at all
[13:50] <andrewsh[m]> (I see others have, however)
[13:52] <andrewsh[m]> right, lunch time
[14:33]  * kenvandine waves as boarding plane
[14:33] <kenvandine> Whoops, wrong channel
[14:37] <ahasenack> andrewsh[m]: you can, go do http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/<package>
[14:37] <ahasenack> andrewsh[m]: then click on the "code" tab
[14:37] <ahasenack> that will show the git repo for the package, and all its branches
[14:37] <ahasenack> the "ubuntu/devel" branch always points at the latest development release, i.e., right now that will be what's in disco or disco-proposed
[14:38] <ahasenack> andrewsh[m]: you can also install the git-ubuntu snap (sudo snap install git-ubuntu) and then do "git ubuntu clone <package>"
[14:49] <andrewsh[m]> I was able to clone it but I'm not sure where to push it for the review
[14:54] <rbasak> andrewsh[m]: what was your clone URL?
[14:54] <rbasak> andrewsh[m]: and what's your Launchpad ID?
[14:55] <andrewsh[m]><EMAIL_ADDRESS>for the upstream code<EMAIL_ADDRESS>for the packaging
[14:55] <andrewsh[m]> (that reveals my ID too)
[14:56] <cjwatson> other people can't clone using andrew.sh@ URLs, but I imagine rbasak knows what you mean :)
[14:57] <rbasak> So push to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>I think?
[14:57] <rbasak> cjwatson: will be able to confirm :)
[14:57] <cjwatson> for an upstream branch?
[14:57] <rbasak> I assumed so
[14:57] <cjwatson> push to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:57] <cjwatson> branch name isn't in the URL
[14:57] <rbasak> Oh, sorry.
[14:57] <rbasak> Yes of course.
[14:58] <cjwatson> then go to https://git.launchpad.net/~andrew.sh/unity
[14:58] <rbasak> FWIW, it would be useful for that URL to be displayed at https://code.launchpad.net/unity
[14:58] <rbasak> with the others
[14:59] <rbasak> If it's not. I'm not sure as apparently I can push directly so perhaps it is omitted for me.
[14:59] <rbasak> Though even in that case I would want to push a personal branch to file an MP against it for peer review.
[15:01] <cjwatson> It would.  Care to file a bug?
[15:02] <rbasak> ack
[15:07] <rbasak> Filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1813778
[15:12] <cjwatson> thanks
[15:15] <rbasak> Thank you for somehow finding time to make these minor tweaks that I keep asking for :)
[15:22] <cjwatson> ... I didn't say I was going to implement it soon, just to be clear ;-)
[15:26] <rbasak> I understand, and no pressure.  I wont want /tmp/ given that it is flushed on reboot.
[15:38] <rbasak> I believe the FHS uses /var/spool for that.
[15:38] <rbasak> http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#VARSPOOLAPPLICATIONSPOOLDATA
[15:44] <Woodpecker> rbasak: Awesome. Thanks
[16:18] <ddstreet> xnox looks like the latest systemd in disco is status 'deleted' - do you want us to patch on top of that, or one of the older versions?  i.e. 240-5ubuntu1 is the 'latest', should we patch on top of that version?
[16:19] <xnox> ddstreet, you shouldn't need to patch anything in disco
[16:19] <xnox> ddstreet, what patches did you expect to upload into disco?
[16:19] <ddstreet> xnox https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/11332
[16:19] <ddstreet> xnox we have several other systemd patches waiting to get into disco too, but will defer those to later
[16:20] <ddstreet> this one is high priority though
[16:20] <xnox> ddstreet, wait, you are planning to sru that?!
[16:20] <ddstreet> yes
[16:21] <xnox> ddstreet, slashd - my understanding you will be SRUing just this https://github.com/systemd/systemd/commit/93158c77bc69fde7cf5cff733617631c1e566fe8.patch
[16:21] <xnox> which is sufficient for your case, no?
[16:22] <ddstreet> that will fix things going thru glibc, yes
[16:22] <ddstreet> i don't know if that is the only use case
[16:23] <ddstreet> i.e., any local application that talks directly to the systemd stub resolver (instead of getaddrinfo) and uses tcp pipelining will fail
[16:23] <ddstreet> you want to leave sru relases like that?
[16:29] <xnox> ddstreet, i'd rather not fix more things than we have to.
[16:29] <xnox> ddstreet, but equally i'd want to sru options ends0 into there
[16:29] <xnox> ddstreet, but doing  that can also break people who parse resolv.conf
[16:29] <xnox> ddstreet, it is most likely that systemd in disco will release with v241+patches, or v242
[16:30] <xnox> ddstreet, current v239 and v240 are incompatible with disco (fail tests or fail in lxd)
[16:30] <xnox> ddstreet, thus there is nothing you can upload to disco atm.
[16:30] <ddstreet> xnox ok...so looks like you already put the edns0 patch in disco
[16:30] <xnox> ddstreet, and imho you shouldn't need to, cause those changes will make it into disco and will not regress.
[16:30] <ddstreet> but you're saying you don't want to sru the edns0 workaround patch either?
[16:30] <xnox> ddstreet, yes, edns0 is in; cause that's part of the removed v240 (which will be going back in)
[16:31] <xnox> ddstreet, i'm trying to assess risk, and all of them look risky =)
[16:31] <xnox> ddstreet, to answer your question - i don't think you need to prepare any uploads for disco.
[16:31] <ddstreet> well we need one or the other (or both) srued, to either workaround (edns0) or actually fix (tcp pipelining) the bug
[16:31] <xnox> ddstreet, and good luck with whatever SRUs you want to push.
[16:31] <ddstreet> heh ok
[17:35] <ahasenack> sil2100: still around? I'm not finding https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3613 in the /running page, I wonder if it's the same issue as earlier today
[17:42] <sil2100> ahasenack: hm, I don't see it as being considered by britney at all
[17:42] <sil2100> ahasenack: this one was green though, right?
[17:42] <ahasenack> yes, I uploaded another package to the ppa
[17:43] <sil2100> Ah
[17:43] <ahasenack> let me check the diff
[17:43] <sil2100> Did you regenerate the diff? DId you check the QA field on and off?
[17:43] <ahasenack> no for the latter
[17:43] <sil2100> Since there are no authorization failures from what I see, simply bileto's britney doesn't consider it for testing
[17:44] <ahasenack> I just selected "approved" in the lander, and then the tests switched to "queed"
[17:44] <ahasenack> ok
[17:44]  * ahasenack regens diff
[17:44] <andrewsh[m]> rbasak, cjwatson, thanks!
[17:45] <sil2100> ahasenack: let's re-try after generating the diffs
[17:45] <ahasenack> will do, thanks
[17:46] <sil2100> Ok, toggled it now that the diff was regenerated, let's look at the next britney run
[17:52] <andrewsh[m]> right, submitted https://code.launchpad.net/~andrew.sh/unity/+git/unity/+merge/362414
[18:18] <bdmurray> seb128: Is bug 1807900 something the desktop team would sort out?
[19:47] <rbasak> I can't file a bug against https://code.launchpad.net/~wgrant/lp-ftbfs-report/production
[19:47] <rbasak> But http://people.canonical.com/~doko/ftbfs-report/test-rebuild-20181222-bionic.html uses the same anchor name for the team ubuntu-server as it does the pacakgeset ubuntu-server, so one of the links at the top goes to the wrong place.
[19:47] <rbasak> Something the server team should generally know about to avoid missing things.
[19:48] <rbasak> cpaelzer, ahasenack, kstenerud, paride: FYI ^
[19:50] <ahasenack> and both have 5 packages :)
[20:06] <vorlon> kees, stgraber: TB ping
[20:26] <paride> thanks rbasak
[22:24] <wgrant> rbasak: Why can't you file a bug?
[22:28] <rbasak> wgrant: surely I should be filing it against your branch instead of the project in general? I am under the impression that doesn't fit Launchpad's model.
[22:28] <wgrant> rbasak: It's certainly slightly unusual, but not problematic.
[22:30] <rbasak> wgrant: how about a bug link in the footer to make it clear. Would you like a bug for that? And where exactly should I file it? :-P
[22:34] <wgrant> rbasak: Filing a bug on the project is fine.
[22:39] <seb128> bdmurray, hey, we can take on this update-manager/livepatch bug
[22:40] <rbasak> Filed bug 1813840 and bug 1813841. Thanks!


[12:34] <juliux> can somebody add the german ubucon to fridge calendar? date is 20 and 21 october
[05:12] <beuno> juliux: I'll add it, can you give me a URL for it?
[05:12] <juliux> beuno, thank you very much
[05:12] <juliux> www.ubucon.de
[05:12] <beuno> juliux: on it  :D
[05:13] <juliux> did you addeit also the the icall file?
[05:13] <juliux> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event/2007/10/01/month/all/all/1
[05:18] <beuno> juliux: yeap, it's on now
[05:18] <juliux> thxs
[05:20] <beuno> np  :D
[05:20] <beuno> we can run a story a few weeks before
[05:24] <beuno> hey Rinchen
[05:25] <Rinchen> hi beuno
[05:27] <beuno> Rinchen: I moved to beta phase:  http://bugs.ubuntustats.com/
[05:28] <Rinchen> very cool
[05:29] <beuno> :D
[05:30] <beuno> I also pinged mpt about it, just so he would know if the load on LP got too big from our side
[10:58] <Rinchen> mdke, I got a positive "we'll fix it" back from forwarding your email
[10:58] <Rinchen> fyi
[10:59] <mdke> Rinchen: that's cool - gerry wrote to the marketing list about it too
[10:59] <Rinchen> good thing I ordered one. It'll be a collectors item
[10:59] <Rinchen> hehe
[11:00] <mdke> seems that they will keep selling em. Surely it won't fit you though
[11:00] <Rinchen> no thought it might be a nice present for my wife
[11:01] <Rinchen> she occasionally will show off a little geekiness
[11:01] <Rinchen> wears the apple power logo babydoll
[11:01] <mdke> mine said she would burn it :D
[11:03] <mdke> i might put her to the test tho
[11:05] <mdke> her birthday is coming up...
[11:07] <Rinchen> :-)
[11:22] <nixternal> a/wi6
[11:22] <nixternal> hrmm
[12:02] <Rinchen> hehe nixternal - no passwords allowed
[12:04] <LaserJock> heh


[12:17] <xnox> I am pondering if i am doing something wrong
[12:17] <xnox> E: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gdbm/libgdbm6_1.21-1_amd64.deb  404  Not Found [IP: 2001:67c:1360:8001::24 80]
[12:17] <xnox> E: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gdbm/libgdbm-compat4_1.21-1_amd64.deb  404  Not Found [IP: 2001:67c:1360:8001::24 80]
[12:22] <Spads> xnox: in a mirror script?
[12:22] <xnox> just locally doing debootstrap
[12:22] <xnox> Spads:  http://[2001:67c:1360:8001::24]/pool/main/g/gdbm/ and ineed it looks like _amd64.deb is not there.... but should be, cause package migrated and everything
[12:22] <Spads> hmmm
[12:22] <xnox> 1.22-1_amd64 is not there.
[12:22] <xnox> (when accessing over the vpn, let me try without vpn)
[12:22] <Spads> we have a 24-hour death row for packages
[12:23] <Spads> so if it's in dists/ it should be in pool/ even for a day afterward
[12:23] <xnox> it should have been there since 2021-10-20
[12:23] <xnox> cause the build finished then in proposed.
[12:23] <Spads> Can you show me which dists/ it's in?
[12:24] <xnox> it should be in http://[2001:67c:1360:8001::24]/dists/jammy/main/binary-amd64
[12:24] <xnox> which does not exist
[12:25] <xnox> is this a ports mirror?!
[12:25] <xnox> it is a ports mirror
[12:25] <xnox> but it is in archive.ubuntu.com dns name
[12:25] <Spads> mirrorsupported.log.444.gz:removed 'pool/main/g/gdbm/libgdbm-compat-dev_1.21-1_amd64.deb'
[12:25] <Spads> mirrorsupported.log.444.gz:removed 'pool/main/g/gdbm/libgdbm-compat-dev_1.21-1_i386.deb'
[12:25] <Spads> That log is from Oct 21 17:56
[12:26] <Spads> hmmm
[12:26] <xnox> I see that `getent ahosts ports.ubuntu.com` and `getent ahosts archive.ubuntu.com` have the same servers
[12:26] <Spads> is it?
[12:26] <xnox> for both ipv4 and ipv6
[12:26] <Spads> one second
[12:26] <xnox> normally they are different
[12:26] <xnox> unless i need to set Host header correctly when opening them up by ip address?!
[12:27] <Spads> oh yes
[12:27] <Spads> they're virthosts
[12:27] <xnox> ok, let me figure out how to browse it correctly then
[12:28] <xnox> got it
[12:29] <xnox> with Host header things are better
[12:29] <Spads> Ah, phew!
[12:29] <Spads> But you said debootstrap failed??
[12:29] <xnox> so
[12:29] <xnox> Filename: pool/main/g/gdbm/libgdbm-compat4_1.22-1_amd64.deb
[12:30] <xnox> is in http://[2001:67c:1360:8001::24]/ubuntu/dists/jammy/main/binary-amd64/
[12:30] <xnox> Packages.gz file
[12:30] <xnox> and http://[2001:67c:1360:8001::24]/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gdbm/ 1.22-1_amd64.deb is there
[12:30] <Spads> hmm, I can't even get http://[2001:67c:1360:8001::24]/ubuntu/ to load
[12:31] <xnox> I can, if i set Host: archive.ubuntu.com
[12:31] <Spads> heh
[12:31] <xnox> I use modheader chrome extension
[12:31] <Spads> Ah, OK
[12:31] <Spads> So you were browsing dists with the Host header but not pool, somehow?
[12:32] <xnox> previously i was browsing both without Host header; and ended up looking at ports.ubuntu.com which is what is served without Host header.
[12:32] <xnox> and debootstrap is accessing stuff with Host header set, so not sure why it is failing to access things.
[12:32] <Spads> Hm, I don't see ports when I browse without a host header
[12:33] <xnox> i have cached things somehow then?!
[12:34] <Spads> Do you have a local proxy of any sort?
[12:35] <xnox> i'm gonna reboot.
[12:35] <xnox> cause that should solve everything
[12:35] <xnox> and then will purge all of my sbuild chroots and start clean just in case.
[12:40] <xnox> Spads:  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vYfrSrjbMb/
[12:40] <xnox> i am perplexed, as if i am being proxied somehow
[12:41] <xnox> maybe my ISP went rouge?!
[12:42] <xnox> hm
[12:42] <xnox> it is trying to download 1.21
[12:42] <xnox> but 1.22 is the current one
[12:44] <xnox> so looks like my source chroot did not have full-upgrade run in a while; and some packages wanted 1.21 and some wanted 1.22, hence need to force upgrade everything to make stuff work i think.
[12:44] <xnox> so purely my own error, and mirrors are fine.
[12:48] <xnox> sorry for bothering
[12:51] <MonkZ> Hi Spads is it possible/feasible to put the vmlinuz and initrd on cdimage/releases.ubuntu.com too? That would enable IPXE to boot from the mirror.
[12:51] <MonkZ> * next to the iso
[12:52] <Spads> MonkZ: That's a request for the Ubuntu team, and may be worth filing a bug or question for them on launchpad somewhere
[12:52] <Spads> xnox: Phew!
[12:52] <MonkZ> okay :)
[13:00] <xnox> MonkZ:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage
[13:00] <xnox> MonkZ:  i'm not sure what you mean by "too" though. Where do you use them from today?
[13:26] <MonkZ> xnox: ah shoot - I posted to ubuntu devel discuss mailinglist before I saw your msg. "Too" as in already extracted - just hosted alongside the iso. To be fetchable via http/https without the need to extract it again.
[13:28] <xnox> ah, cool.
[13:28] <xnox> that works too i think.
[13:29] <MonkZ> xnox: my slightly altered mail -> http://ix.io/3EoY


[08:18]  * nlsthzn_work has been patiently waiting to work on 227... but no email came... only dawned on me now to check Google Docs... DOH!
[08:18] <nlsthzn_work> ... oh, but I see we are still in the collecting links phase...
[15:06] <NRWlion> good afternoon
[16:02] <pleia2> good morning news friends!
[16:02] <pleia2> https://docs.google.com/document/d/18ZbtFHQq6uMj7iuRLd11VH8V5Uc_FA0IfgiRUcbMbQk/edit?hl=en_US is ready for summaries (and as always, please speak up if you think a link should be moved or removed
[16:15] <Pendulum> pleia2: I'm not going to be in any shape for summaries this week, but feel free to poke if you need someone to proofread
[16:15] <Pendulum> (really, though, summaries are likely to be heavily medicated out of me and be far more 'fun' than UWN would like ;) )
[16:15] <pleia2> hehe
[16:16] <pleia2> ok thanks re: proofread :) I think we will need you for that
[16:17] <NRWlion> pleia2: hey liz
[16:17] <pleia2> g'day NRWlion
[16:21] <Myrtti> ohai from me too
[16:23] <pleia2> hey Myrtti :)
[16:30] <Myrtti> I wonder how me editing the text shows up in
[16:31] <Myrtti> atleast chromium hiccups didn't take away the two summaries I had written
[16:36] <pleia2> it's near real-time if your browser cooperates (can see where someone else is editing, but sometimes it comes in big chunks
[16:36] <pleia2> holstein has taken to putting his name in when he's editing to avoid conflicts
[16:37] <Myrtti> I tried to but I can't see how
[16:38] <pleia2> oh, he just writes "holstein" :)
[16:38] <pleia2> no doc magic
[16:52] <Pendulum> hiya Myrtti :)


[12:24] <mc44> LjL: yep. Only its sort of monophonic, only giving one whiny note
[12:32] <SportChick> Seveas: hrm?
[12:32] <Seveas> SportChick, nothing
[12:32] <SportChick> :p
[12:32] <Seveas> xchat was being irritating
[12:32] <Seveas> you were the victim of that
[12:32] <PriceChild> Lol no she wasn't...
[12:32] <Seveas> actually, mc44 was
[12:32] <Seveas> you were only mildly abused
[12:33] <SportChick> heh
[12:34] <mc44> Seveas: curses!
[12:34] <Seveas> mc44, ncurses rather
[12:34] <mc44> LjL: Science, it works!
[12:35] <LjL> mc44: yup. it's unfortunate how lab test subjects have to suffer though
[12:37] <mc44> LjL: yes. yes it is. Even more sad is when the test subjects rise up against their evil masters and destroy them with their mutated superpowers
[12:57] <ubotu> In ubotu, stdin said: welcome is <alias> hi
[01:01] <LjL> hello and welcome to the official ubuntu support channel is <alias> hi
[01:01] <PuMpErNiCkLe> o.O
[05:01] <SportChick> !vhost
[05:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about vhost - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:13] <nalioth> !cloak
[05:13] <ubotu> Tor & other common anonymizing proxies get abused to attack & spam Ubuntu channels, so they're blocked. Get a cloak from Freenode instead, and stop wasting your time with Tor: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks
[05:14] <nalioth> c'mon SportChick we don't call it a vhost here
[05:14] <SportChick> is THAT what he meant?!
[05:14] <nalioth> vhost = cloak
[05:14] <nalioth> some other networks call it a vhost (virtual host)
[05:22] <SportChick> nalioth: heh
[05:52] <tritium> What will we cover in the meeting on Monday?
[05:53] <nalioth> the irc council
[05:53] <tritium> Are we forming one?
[05:53] <nalioth> tritium: the ubuntu-irc mailing list archives have the latest info, if you dont subscribe
[05:53] <nalioth> tritium: we've had one
[05:54] <tritium> I see.
[05:55] <tritium> I'll check the archives, since I have delivery off.
[06:02] <ubotu> In ubotu, luvkit said: what is your purpose
[06:03] <nalioth> !ubotu > luvkit
[07:24] <mneptok> 0800+1day for you
[07:24] <Hobbsee> ah, 10am
[07:24] <Hobbsee> [17:24]  <Ubugtu> Schedule for Australia/Sydney: 16 Mar 21:00: MOTU Council | 18 Mar 02:00: Xubuntu | 20 Mar 02:00: Kernel Team | 20 Mar 10:00: IRC Operators | 21 Mar 05:00: Community Council | 21 Mar 23:00: Edubuntu
[07:25] <Hobbsee> which i wont be able to make...oh wait, yes i will
[07:25] <Hobbsee> not sure what time i'm working, but i'll be able to connect in a bit after that at uni
[07:35] <ubotu> In ubotu, predder said: chocolate is the food of the gods, or if you eat 200 g at once it'll make you feel sick
[07:36] <Jucato> O.o
[07:37] <ubotu> In ubotu, predder said: beer is liquid gold mate
[07:38] <Hobbsee> heh
[07:51] <mneptok> Hobbsee: hmm?
[07:52] <Hobbsee> mneptok: your telitubbies pic
[07:52] <mneptok> oh :)
[07:52] <Seveas> teletubbies?
[07:52] <mneptok> Seveas: fixed the splash
[07:52] <Seveas> mneptok and teletubbies... sounds deadly
[07:52] <Seveas> mneptok, URL?
[07:52] <mneptok> http://people.ubuntu.com/~mneptok/ubuntu-slick.png
[07:52] <LongPointyStick> Seveas: yes, that.
[07:53] <Seveas> hahaha
[07:54] <Hobbsee> bye!
[07:55] <Seveas> lazy bastard
[07:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> hobbsee --> gone!
[07:55] <Seveas> by the way: http://blog.andrew.net.au/2007/03/15#funky_flautist
[07:55] <Seveas> !
[07:55] <Seveas> !!
[08:01] <jenda> Seveas: that's mega cool.
[08:04] <jenda> Seveas: but... I think it's fake...
[08:05] <Hobbsee> what'd i miss?
 by the way: http://blog.andrew.net.au/2007/03/15#funky_flautist
 hobbsee --> gone!
[08:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> all in all, not much ;)
[08:07] <mneptok> i changed my diaper.
[08:08] <Hobbsee> oh good
[08:08] <jenda> Somebody stuff something up that guy's throat...
[08:08] <Hobbsee> all by yourself?
[08:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> diaper?
[08:08] <jenda> yes, for example...
[08:11] <mneptok> "what's for dinner?" "depends."
 I know I've seen that IP before
[09:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> Madpilot, i thought i had too
[09:37] <Madpilot> s/seen/banned users of
[09:37] <Madpilot> come to think of it :)
[09:37] <Hobbsee> Madpilot: it's the same guy, over and over.
[09:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> i see a lot of users from the isp, but also a lot of bans being placed
[09:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> in my logs
[09:41] <Hobbsee> heya GazzaK
[09:41] <elkbuntu> Kamping_Kaiser, because it is the el-cheapo of nz isps... sort of like dodo to us
[09:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> elkbuntu, *shudder*
[09:42] <Hobbsee>      Battery 1: discharging, 18%, 00:33:29 remaining
[09:42] <Hobbsee>      Thermal 1: ok, 49.0 degrees C
[09:42] <Hobbsee>   AC Adapter 1: off-line
[09:43] <Hobbsee> might have to unplug a computer monitor or something
[09:43] <mneptok> Hobbsee: http://www.beunited.org/bebook/The%20Kernel%20Kit/System.html  <- "System Info Functions"
[09:44] <Hobbsee> heh.  including the "is the system on fire"
[09:44] <Hobbsee> heya stdin
[09:45] <stdin> hey Hobbsee
[09:45] <GazzaK> morning Hobbsee
[09:46] <mneptok> Hobbsee: you can accuse the BeOS devs of many things. "not enjoying themselves" is not among them. ;)
[09:46] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:47] <Madpilot> Hobbsee, perhaps we could just ban<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and be done with it. :)
[09:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> Madpilot, as long as no one in #Ubuntu-nz wants to wander the rest of the community ;)
[09:47] <mneptok> can't we just ban the Mordor part?
[09:48] <Hobbsee> Madpilot: heh
[09:50] <Hobbsee> stdin: :)
[10:29] <mneptok> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS_tUaZaQ3g&mode=user&search=
[12:13] <ikonia> anyone awake
[12:13] <Myrtti> no
[12:13] <jenda> nope...
[12:14] <ikonia> apokryphos: your awake now, can you take a look at madasoka please "windows rox, linux suxx, use vista etc etc etc" trolling
[12:14] <nalioth> ikonia: we see him/her/it
[12:14] <ikonia> ta
[12:14] <ikonia> sorry, thought you where sleeping
[12:15] <elkbuntu> nalioth, seems a serial troll
[12:16] <ikonia> yup
[12:19] <jenda> elkbuntu: get rid of him, he's up to no good.
[12:20] <elkbuntu> jenda, i tend to wait for them to say something unbaited
[12:20] <jenda> okeydoke.
[12:22] <jenda> elkbuntu: I suspect his name is wordplay, too...
 <Madasoka> D00ds come help in trolling #ubuntu-offtopic !!!
 That was in ##windows
[12:25] <PriceChild> put that into #ubuntu-offtopic first by accident :s
[12:28] <jenda> heh
[12:29] <jenda> I muted him in #ubuntu too
[12:34] <Seeker`> PriceChild: What bug?
[12:35] <PriceChild> windows that appear on top don't always seem to be in "reality" 8-)
[12:35] <PriceChild> anyway that's ot :)
[12:37] <jenda> hehe
[12:37] <mc44> beryl != reality :)
[12:37] <PriceChild> mc44, note the "'s ;)
[12:49] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: there's a simple solution...
[12:50] <PriceChild> noooooo :(
[01:03] <jenda> whee
[01:04] <apokryphos> wuwoweewah
[01:05] <mc44> waaaweeewaaweeewaa
[01:09] <jenda> Borat :)
[04:43] <apokryphos> nalioth: hehe
[04:43] <nalioth> woops
[04:43] <nalioth> PriceChild: you have to set all that up
[04:43] <nalioth> so blame yourself
[04:44] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: irssi works fine :)
[04:44] <PriceChild> But your hilights are working fine now! :)
[04:44] <PriceChild> Why didn't ubotus? :(
[04:45] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: not sure
[04:46] <apokryphos> [15:46:44]  <kudda> rofl, I been here for days on another ident..... I am here now on 2 diff connections ;x
[04:46] <apokryphos> [15:46:48]  <kudda> aka malt
[04:46] <apokryphos> [15:46:53]  <kudda> #fail
[04:46] <apokryphos> [15:46:58]  <kudda> PLZ
[04:46] <apokryphos> !staff
[04:46] <ubotu> Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick or ompaul! I could use a bit of your time :)
[04:47] <apokryphos> (in an /msg )
[04:47] <nalioth> apokryphos: and?
[04:47] <nalioth> trolls love attention. ignore
[04:47] <nixternal> damn bots are talking out loud, scary
[04:56] <PriceChild> gnomefreak: seemsl ike I'm only being hilighted if my name is the first word of the sentence
[04:57] <nalioth> PriceChild: keep tinkering
[04:57] <PriceChild> hehe :)
[04:57] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: back up before each tinker :)
[04:57] <PriceChild> Hehe am doing
[04:57] <gnomefreak> wait irssi might have auto backup
[04:57] <nalioth> nope
[04:57] <nalioth> it does not
[04:58] <gnomefreak> oh
[04:58] <nalioth> gotta be a real man to run linux, gnomefreak
[04:58] <nalioth> no hand holding here
[04:58] <gnomefreak> :)
[04:58] <PriceChild> hehe
[04:58] <PriceChild> Fixed :)
[04:59] <gnomefreak> almost too easy
[06:58] <PriceChild> -Jetfighter(n=Wildfire@<IP_ADDRESS>)- Don't abuse the bot if you are. (This is an auto-message sent from: Jetfighter)
[07:01] <PriceChild> apokryphos: gnomefreak Amaranth him and "zoki" were talking.... maybe good to watch out for the other :)
[07:02] <apokryphos> where did you get that?
[07:03] <PriceChild> The notice? or about zoki & jugofoo ?
[07:03] <gnomefreak> i saw zoki but he was just typing letters afaict but im only good with english and that is debatable
[07:03] <apokryphos> he was responding to the bot char; removed him for now
[07:04] <PriceChild> thanks apokryphos
[07:05] <apokryphos> always remove on-site people/bots that respond to !
[07:06] <PriceChild> Jetfighter's a new guy who's been starting out with ubuntu... finding hard to grasp the basics but has been a bit cocky using !botabuse against people
[07:07] <apokryphos> and yet heh knows about auto-responders? Hm
[07:43] <LjL> jetfighter is what i call i good troll, actually. and so is hollywoodcode
[07:43] <LjL> or core, or whatever he's called
[07:49] <SportChick> en 17
[07:49] <SportChick> oops, sorry
[08:20] <PriceChild> Re: Jetfighter
[08:20] <PriceChild> 19:15 <Jetfighter> Oh, yeah, sorry, I was just trying something, I used wine to get something to work :P
[08:20] <PriceChild> He promptly disappeared, as am I :)
[08:23] <apokryphos> yup; fine now, he turned it off
[08:33] <Seveas> @lart apokryphos
[08:34] <PriceChild> That's hardly a lart is it...
[08:34] <apokryphos> possibly worse than the photo one
[08:34] <Seveas> @lart apokryphos
[08:34] <apokryphos> oh, you must not be ticklish?
[08:34] <maxamillion> PriceChild: the forums are offline?
[08:34] <Seveas> better? :)
[08:35] <apokryphos> rust is deadly
[08:35] <PriceChild> maxamillion: The forums are currently offline. We will return shortly.
[08:35] <Seveas> PriceChild, HURRY :p
[08:35] <mc44> PriceChild: are the forums still offline? :p
[08:35] <PriceChild> Seveas: calm down! I know how much need them...
[08:36] <Seveas> brb, kernel upgrade
[08:36] <PriceChild> mc44: only been a few minutes?
[08:36] <maxamillion> PriceChild: thanks ... i hadn't already read that ;)
[08:36] <mc44> PriceChild: oh I was just nagging you for funsies :)
[08:36] <PriceChild> lol maxamillion what do you want me to say? :)
[08:37] <PriceChild> I'm only a lowly moderator... I'm sure ubuntu-geek will have it back up in the next few minutes.
[08:37] <PriceChild> This is planned so I'm sure it'll be as fast as possible.
[08:41] <maxamillion> PriceChild: ah, cool cool ... i just always ask you because you are the only one i know who has any ties to the forums
[08:41] <PriceChild> maxamillion: jenda?
[08:41] <PriceChild> maxamillion: jen da's been a mod longer than me :)
[08:42] <maxamillion> oh ... didn't know that
[08:42] <PriceChild> Oh and I'll promise I'll poke about your titles again soon... but I've been doing too much poking lately :)
[08:42] <apokryphos> I also have a spectacular 10 or so posts
[08:43] <maxamillion> PriceChild: titles? ... me?
[08:44] <apokryphos> @lart maxamillion for possibly flaming
[08:44] <PriceChild> maxamillion: xubuntu? Or was that just somerville?
[08:44] <apokryphos> @lart ubugtu
[08:44] <apokryphos> :o
[08:44] <PriceChild> Those are proper larts ^
[08:44] <PriceChild> None of that tickling nonsense
[08:45] <maxamillion> PriceChild: wait ... what? ... i op xubuntu, somerville used to, i wasn't a part of that massive op war, and i don't think he has a forums account .... and i can't remember if i have started a thread on the forums in over a month
[08:46] <PriceChild> Someone asked me for dev titles for xubuntu devs on the forums... Must have just been somerville. I thought it was you as well... maybe not. :)
[08:48] <maxamillion> naw, not i
[08:49] <maxamillion> i'm just a lowly community member :P
[08:49] <maxamillion> he's the ubuntu member
[08:50] <SportChick> heh
[08:50] <SportChick> banned yourself, Seveas ?
[08:50] <Seveas> ?
[08:50] <apokryphos> just a broken script :P
[08:50] <apokryphos> [19:49:41]  ChanServ<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has set mode -b *!*@ubuntu/member/seveas
[08:50] <apokryphos> [19:49:53]  Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas]  has joined #ubuntu-ops
[08:50] <Seveas> really...
[08:51] <Seveas> don't know who banned me :)
[08:51] <apokryphos> no-one has
[08:51] <Seveas> --- Cannot join #ubuntu-ops (You are banned).
[08:51] <SportChick> 12:49:25 -!- mode/#ubuntu-ops [-b *!*@ubuntu/member/seveas]  by ChanServ
[08:51] <SportChick> 12:49:37 -!- Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas]  has joined #ubuntu-ops
[08:51] <SportChick> 12:49:37 -!- mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Seveas]  by ChanServ
[08:51] <apokryphos> but you were talking earlier?
[08:51] <Seveas> so someone has
[08:51] <Seveas> I had +v
[08:51] <apokryphos> ah
[08:51] <apokryphos> @btlogin
[08:51] <Seveas> meh, whocares :)
[08:57] <jenda> aloha
[08:58] <maxamillion> hi hi
[09:05] <LjL> Seveas: it was ompaul :P
[09:06] <Seveas> tsk tsk
[09:06] <LjL> and the party starts
[09:06] <apokryphos> mehehe
[09:07] <ompaul> thanks
[09:07] <ompaul> they say nothing there
[09:08] <apokryphos> heh
[09:08] <LjL> ompaul: do they say anything in #vi? i'd go check
[09:08] <LjL> anyway, i take it back, it wasn't you banning. i grepped but i didn't read the date :P
[09:08] <LjL> [Thu Dec 14 2006]  [23:28:13]  Mode       ompaul sets mode: +b *!*@ubuntu/member/seveas
[09:08] <Seveas> LOL
[09:09] <ompaul> LJL I'll have you know that I used to have a dialup static ip of vivivi-ppp in former days
[09:09] <LjL> ompaul: i'd have had nanonanonano-ppp, but it wouldn't look elegant
[09:10] <ompaul> LjL, just cos you have no class it should have been
[09:10] <LjL> tsk
[09:10] <ompaul>  shazbad-nano-nano-ppp
[09:11] <LjL> with little luck
[09:12] <ompaul> SportChick, we play games in this space all the time
[10:57] <maxamillion> PriceChild: who do i talk to about the CSS borking on the forums?
[10:58] <PriceChild> maxamillion: ubuntu-geek
[10:59] <maxamillion> PriceChild: rgr
[11:16] <LjL> !staff | please look at F0O in #ubuntu, #kubuntu, #ubuntu+1, #ubuntu-classroom and #ubuntu-effects
[11:16] <ubotu> please look at F0O in #ubuntu, #kubuntu, #ubuntu+1, #ubuntu-classroom and #ubuntu-effects: Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick or ompaul! I could use a bit of your time :)
[11:26] <ompaul> AfroMan, whats the deal?
[11:27] <AfroMan> huh?
[11:27] <ompaul> so why were you banned from #ubuntu?
[11:28] <AfroMan> kiddie fuckin brother
[11:28] <LjL> bye
[11:28] <Fujitsu> Subtle.
[11:28] <LjL> quite.
[11:28] <ompaul> like a brick
[11:28] <maxamillion> yeah, good solid ban
[11:28] <PriceChild> He's in #ubuntuforums...
[11:28] <BearPerson> "some people wouldn't recognize subtlety if it hit them over the head"
[11:29] <PriceChild> He seems to be asking a legitimate question...
[11:29] <maxamillion> PriceChild: just watch him
[11:29] <LjL> PriceChild: wait for the abuse, it'll come. quickly.
[11:29] <PriceChild> I'm ready :P
[11:30] <maxamillion> lol
[11:30] <LjL> well, i suppose i might not have given him a fair chance of an appeal (*snort*)
[11:32] <ompaul> you are almost evil
[11:45] <ompaul> heads up
[11:46] <maxamillion> ?
[11:46] <PriceChild> ? :s
[11:47] <ompaul> #ubuntu had 8 joins and no comments
[11:48] <maxamillion> lol
[12:13] <Fujitsu> AfroMan is in #-devel.
[12:14] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Why? O.o
[12:22] <PriceChild> F00BAR just joined forums...
[12:23] <PriceChild> Fujitsu: You can request for it to be lifted if you've a good enough reason ;)
[12:24] <PriceChild> Afroman left...
[12:24] <Fujitsu> Ah. Well, I normally like to sit in around 18 channels, but every so often I'll wish to join another couple... and boom. Who do I ask?
[12:24] <PriceChild> ah, same host lol :P


[16:40] <wxl> Ubuntu Oregon BoF at OSCON today at 8pm for anyone that's around
[16:41] <wxl> by that time security is pretty slack. you could probably walk in without a badge and no one would notice XD
[16:41] <kees> I had a lot of free beer and food at the poker thing last night without a badge. :P
[17:08] <wxl> kees: i forgot about that and missed the one piece i needed for the hoodie
[17:09] <wxl> kees: if you managed to get one hurry and rush it over here :)
[17:26] <kees> wxl: I haven't been following the hoodie requirements, sorry!


[07:28] <jam> dimitern: Good morinng! I'm in the hangout whenever you want to join
[07:28] <dimitern> jam, morning, i'm just about to open it :)
[09:03] <rogpeppe> mornin' all
[09:04] <dimitern> morning ;)
[09:13] <drj11> morning morty
[09:19] <jam> dimitern: you might want to check your Spam folder. BTSTravel successfully booked the flight, but the email with itinerary got flagged as spam.
[09:20] <dimitern> hmm
[09:20] <jam> And google, at least, thinks emails with attachments from bts are spam
[09:20] <dimitern> jam, thanks, I'll have a look
[09:20] <jam> " We've found that lots of messages from btstravel.be are spam. "
[09:20] <dimitern> jam, nope, i've just got a reply
[09:20] <dimitern> jam, she'll book it soon
[09:21] <jam> dimitern: I get direct emails from them, but not emails including the itinerary. You may need to check once its booked :)
[09:21] <dimitern> jam, will do :)
[09:34]  * fwereade is having further happy fun electricity times
[09:35] <TheMue> fwereade: heya
[09:35] <TheMue> fwereade: have you been able to talk to rogpeppe about his approach?
[09:41] <fwereade> TheMue, yeah, he convinced me, please confer with him
[09:41] <rogpeppe> TheMue: i'm in a sprint this week, but i should be able to get a few moments here and there to help
[09:42] <dimitern> fwereade, if you have a moment, https://codereview.appspot.com/53210044 fixes bug 1067979
[09:42] <_mup_> Bug #1067979: race: concurrent charm deployments corrupts deployments <deploy> <race-condition> <test-needed> <juju-core:In Progress by dimitern> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1067979>
[09:42] <fwereade> dimitern, awesome, I will try
[09:42] <fwereade> everyone, however, we've got to open up a wall and figure out if there's something that'll burn the house down in there
[09:43] <fwereade> so my presence this morning at least is likely to be random and fleeting
[09:43]  * dimitern is afk for a while
[09:43]  * fwereade grumbles
[09:44] <TheMue> rogpeppe: ok, much is already in your branch, so I can use it, especially with the noted todos. in case of questions I simply try to reach you
[09:45] <TheMue> rogpeppe: where is the sprint?
[09:45] <rogpeppe> TheMue: london
[09:45] <TheMue> rogpeppe: nice, would like to go there too. only been once in london, in heathrow for 3h :D
[09:47] <rogpeppe> TheMue: i'm not that keen on london :-)
[09:49] <TheMue> rogpeppe: would like to do some sightseeing but surely not live
[09:53] <cgz> prerecorded sightseeing would be boring...
[09:53] <cgz> all the canned laughter...
[10:01] <TheMue> cgz: what is "prerecorded sightseeing"?
[10:04] <cgz> TheMue: I was poking you a little about the idea of 'live' being as in live television, rather than as in to reside :P
[10:04] <cgz> jam: 1:1 on g+?
[10:05] <jam> hey cgz, sure
[10:05] <jam> cgz: in the weekly one, or in the 1:1 ?
[10:06] <jam> sorry, in the weekly calendar 1:1 or in the daily standup hangout?
[10:06] <cgz> the daily will do
[10:06] <jam> cgz: I'm there
[10:07] <TheMue> cgz: hehe, ok, fought with my lack of knowledge of the english language
[10:09] <jam> TheMue: they're pronounced differently, but spelled the same
[10:10] <jam> short 'i' vs long 'i'
[10:10] <TheMue> jam: maybe we should write phonetics here ;)
[10:11] <jam> TheMue: english would be much better if it was phonetical
[10:13] <TheMue> jam: same problem here. and my younger daughter fights with it even more while learning japanese
[10:14] <jam> TheMue: Chinese is just as bad: http://forum.koohii.com/viewtopic.php?pid=105992
[10:15] <TheMue> jam: *iirks*
[10:16] <jam> TheMue: listen to the audio, it is pretty amazing
[10:40] <rogpeppe> anyone got an opinion on the best way to fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1273169 ?
[10:40] <_mup_> Bug #1273169: bootstrap: error from apt-get update is uninformative <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1273169>
[10:41] <rogpeppe> two immediate possibilities spring to mind, but perhaps there's a better idea
[10:41]  * fwereade waves at meebey
[10:48] <jam> fwereade: rogpeppe: standup?
[12:07] <jam> dimitern_: a quick thought. if you change how charm archives are named in storage, it would be good to keep the charm name in there. (so charm-123-UUID, or somethnig like that) otherwise pure UUID/SHA256 hashes are really meaningless if you ever just listed your storage
[12:13] <vds> anyone can help me in understanding what's happening: https://pastebin.canonical.com/103609/ ?  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6825878/
[12:17] <dimitern_> jam, that's a fair point
[12:20] <dimitern_> vds, if you're using 1.16, this is a known issue with the simple streams format
[12:20] <jam> vds: if you're using --upload-tools, it expects to find a 'jujud' in the same directory as the 'juju'
[12:20] <jam> dimitern_: that would be 1.17, actually (I'm pretty sure)
[12:20] <dimitern_> jam, ah, ok
[12:20] <jam> 1.16 didn't go for streams..../juju
[12:21] <dimitern_> right!
[12:21] <vds> dimitern_,  hello, for what I can see, it's there: /home/vds/canonical/bin/juju /home/vds/canonical/bin/jujud
[12:22] <vds> dimitern_, is it ok that https://streams.canonical.com/juju returns a 404?
[12:22] <vds> if I hit it with a browser?
[12:23] <dimitern_> vds, actually, I'm not that into simplestreams stuff myself
[12:24] <dimitern_> vds, but if you're trying to bootstrap from source with --upload-tools it should work, as long as your GOPATH and other Go stuff is in the right place
[12:24] <jam> vds: it won't "real soon now' but it is expected right now
[12:24] <jam> well, the code didn't expect it, but we're fixing ithat
[12:25] <vds> dimitern_, once everything is compile, does GOPATH still matters?
[12:26] <vds> in any case, the GOPATH is fine, the same command used to work on Thu and it is broken since Fri.
[12:27] <vds> jam, I was running an older revno, now I'm on trunk and I still get the same issue, I was wondering if it's just me or that bootstrap is broken.
[12:28] <jam> vds: if you're running from source, you probably ran "go build" in the source tree, you need to run "go install" and run it from where jujud is next to juju (I believe
[12:28] <dimitern_> vds, have you tried not giving --series=... ?
[12:29] <vds> jam, yep, did that
[12:29] <dimitern_> vds, I have this handy little script to rebuild the binaries
[12:29] <dimitern_> vds, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6825937/
[12:29] <vds> dimitern_, yes, it works, but I need trusty, how else do I do it?
[12:30] <dimitern_> vds, default-series: trusty?
[12:30] <dimitern_> in env.yaml
[12:31] <dimitern_> vds, if you're on trusty, --upload-tools automagically uploads the tools in both "default-series" and your current series
[12:32] <vds> dimitern_, I'm on saucy, but the charm I'm trying to test requires trusty, I've changed the default in env.yaml, let's see if it works :)
[12:52]  * dimitern_ needs to step away for and hour or so
[12:52] <fwereade> vds, I think you need a fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1217397
[12:52] <_mup_> Bug #1217397: image-stream configuration option for openstack provider <config> <openstack-provider> <juju-core:In Progress by wallyworld> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1217397>
[12:53] <fwereade> vds, ian's working on it
[12:53] <fwereade> vds, (or, you don't necessarily need it, but you'd need to generate your own image metadata and set image-metadata-url)
[13:16] <vds>  fwereade thanks for the info
[13:29] <vds> any known issues with juju debug-log, I'm getting this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6826178/
[13:32] <TheMue> vds: local provider? in that case debug-log doesn't work (yet)
[13:32] <vds> TheMue, OpenStack
[13:33] <TheMue> vds: in that case it's strange, hmm
[13:34] <TheMue> vds: current debug-log makes a ssh connect to the state server and tails the mentioned file
[13:41] <vds> TheMue, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6826243/
[13:46] <TheMue> vds: hmm, I'm stunning
[13:48] <TheMue> vds: it is set in the syslog config
[13:48] <TheMue> vds: it seems this is missing. troubles during bootstrapping?
[13:52] <vds> TheMue, not that I can see, and it happens all the time, I'm using juju-core trunk
[13:55] <TheMue> vds: what do you see in /etc/rsyslog.d on the state server?
[13:57] <vds> TheMue, /etc/rsyslog.d/25-juju.conf http://paste.ubuntu.com/6826312/
[13:59] <TheMue> vds: looks right *headshaking*
[14:01] <TheMue> vds: and rsyslogd is running?
[14:05] <vds> TheMue, yep
[14:06] <TheMue> vds: could be interesting would happens if you restart it, but that's not the idea behind it
[14:08] <vds> TheMue, not much
[14:11] <TheMue> vds: sadly I'm reaching my limits now
[14:11] <vds> TheMue, thanks :)
[14:12] <vds> TheMue, I wonder if that happens just to me, I'm bootstrapping a trusty machine, that's it, nothing strange
[14:13] <TheMue> vds: never tested it on trusty so far
[14:33] <jamespage> fwereade, hey - just repro'ed that issue I was taking about last week when tearing down environments
[14:33] <jamespage> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6826470/
[14:40] <fwereade> jamespage, cool, thanks; remind me, was there already a bug for that?
[14:41]  * jamespage digs
[14:42] <jamespage> fwereade, https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1244807
[14:42] <_mup_> Bug #1244807: juju-deployer teardown fails due to hook errors <destroy-service> <theme-oil> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1244807>
[14:43] <fwereade> jamespage, gaah, found the bug
[14:43] <fwereade> jamespage, thanks
[14:52] <vds> TheMue, btw: when I bootstrap I get a lot of lines like: ERROR TLS handshake failed: EOF
[14:58] <TheMue> vds: only when bootstrapping trusty?
[14:59] <vds> thedac, well, so far that's what I'm bootstrapping.
[15:03] <fwereade> rogpeppe, natefinch, dimitern_: anyone recognise http://paste.ubuntu.com/6826597/ -- I seem to be seeing it 100% of the time on trunk
[15:41] <natefinch> fwereade: sorry, was afk.  I haven't seen that one.
[15:42] <fwereade> natefinch, can you repro? it's possible I'm doing something dense
[15:44] <natefinch> fwereade: checking
[15:46] <natefinch> gah, I wish bzr switch would warn me that I have uncommitted changes that'll get merged into the new branch and screw everything up
[15:49] <fwereade> natefinch, ouch, sorry :(
[15:49] <natefinch> it's ok, luckily fairly segregated changes.
[15:52] <natefinch> fwereade: go test ./... from worker/uniter passes for me
[15:52] <natefinch> fwereade: on trunk
[15:53] <natefinch> fwereade: oops, noticed that's not where you were testing
[15:54] <natefinch> fwereade: launchpad.net/juju-core/state/apiserver/uniter  also passes for me
[15:54] <fwereade> natefinch, thanks for confirming
[17:04] <sinzui> nate_finch, CI consistently sees an error that I think is in the machine, not the test or juju
[17:04] <sinzui> ERROR juju.cmd supercommand.go:294 cannot use 37019 as state port, already in use
[17:05] <sinzui> ^ How do I smack mongodb to be in a pristine state
[17:06] <nate_finch> sinzui: you should remove the default mongo upstart script.... though that should be on 27019
[17:06] <sinzui> nate_finch, 37019 is the port juju says it wants to use
[17:08] <nate_finch> sinzui: oh wait, mongo is 27017  ... hmm
[17:08] <nate_finch> sinzui: remnants from an old test that died?
[17:08] <sinzui> possibly
[17:08] <nate_finch> check for instances of mongo and kill them mercilessly
[17:09] <nate_finch> also some of the tests create folders called /tmp/mongo-test*    (typing from memory, but something like that)
[17:09] <nate_finch> mgo-test I think
[17:09] <nate_finch> those should get blown away, if only to maintain disk space
[17:10] <sinzui> I killed mongodb, but I juju still complains about the port in use
[17:12] <sinzui> WTF, netstat says it is there, but ps says there is no mongodb
[17:13] <sinzui> I see some progress and killing the proc that was restarted
[17:17] <nate_finch> sinzui: it's almost certainly a port getting stuck from mongo, but not sure why it wouldn't be freed up when you killed mongo
[17:17] <sinzui> I have bootstrapped with 1.17.1 \o/
[17:18] <sinzui> I cannot destroy-environment though. Looks like the command no longer honors JUJU_HOME
[17:18] <sinzui> there will never be a .juju dir
[17:19] <nate_finch> huh weird
[17:20] <vds> could you please tell me where am I supposed to find the logs of a subordinate charm? they don't appear in machine-XXX.log nor in unit-MAINCHARM-0.log
[18:12] <cgz> https://codereview.appspot.com/56560043 is ready, really I want Andrew to look at it when he comes on, because I don't understand why localStorage is so complex in the first place
[18:12] <cgz> I'm off now, later!
[20:57]  * thumper tries to remember details around structure equality in golang
[20:58] <nate_finch> thumper: gotta be careful, since it depends on whats in the structure (i.e., if it has a map, you can't do it)
[20:58] <thumper> nate_finch: it is a struct with three strings
[20:59] <thumper> nate_finch: http://play.golang.org/p/e3O_2dSfgC
[20:59] <thumper> nate_finch: different values, but same contents
[20:59] <thumper> yes you need to be careful...
[20:59]  * thumper thinks he has this...
[21:01] <nate_finch> yeah, comparing pointers is rarely what you want
[21:03] <thumper> natefinch: I was thinking back to how equality works in C++
[21:03] <thumper> member-wise comparison by default
[21:03] <thumper> which is kinda like this
[21:03] <thumper> obviously two maps are going to be two different maps
[21:03] <thumper> and it isn't going to check content
[21:03] <thumper> is that right?
[21:04] <natefinch> thumper: right.... well, they could be the same map, but they probably aren't
[21:04]  * thumper nods
[21:04] <thumper> if they are the same map, is it equal?
[21:04] <thumper> yes
[21:05] <natefinch> thumper: I think go just smacks you if you try
[21:05] <thumper> haha
[21:05] <thumper> return errors.New("don't do that"
[21:05] <thumper> )
[21:05] <thumper> natefinch: I have a new go project
[21:06] <thumper> natefinch: which I've not started yet
[21:06] <thumper> natefinch: got a few minutes for a hangout?
[21:06] <natefinch> thumper: sure
[21:07] <thumper> natefinch: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/76cpi448v94dmmna9rmctckokk?hl=en
[21:08] <natefinch> thumper: prog.go:14: invalid operation: c == b (struct containing map[string]string cannot be compared)
[21:52] <natefinch> thumper: http://play.golang.org/p/DfJsb1AIMT
[21:52] <thumper> natefinch: ta
[21:53] <thumper> natefinch: similar in some idea...
[21:53] <thumper> natefinch: I'll see if I have some time to hack some stuff later
[21:54] <natefinch> thumper: cool
[21:56] <wallyworld> thumper: hiya, do you know that status of the 1.17 release?
[21:56] <thumper> wallyworld: nope
[21:56] <thumper> stuck I think
[21:56] <wallyworld> i saw a bug that was assigned to 1.17.1 moved to 1.17.2
[21:56] <wallyworld> i had that work committed last last week
[21:57] <wallyworld> maybe a 1.17.1 is being rolled out taking a rev prior to the local provider changes
[22:01]  * thumper shrugs
[22:05] <wallyworld> thumper: at the moment, i'm working on allowing generic support for non-released images in simplestreams - previously azure supported a hard coded approach. it's a little messy due to inconsistent url path conventions. sigh. more work than i thought, and more testing also
[22:05] <wallyworld> william wants this for thursday
[22:06] <thumper> wallyworld: I thought you weren't working today
[22:06] <wallyworld> well, i am somewhat
[22:06] <wallyworld> i may have to be afk a little tomorrow morning for lachie's first day of school
[22:06]  * thumper nods
[22:07] <wallyworld> plus i want to get this stuff done. it's on my mind
[22:40]  * thumper wants an event bus inside juju-core
[22:40]  * thumper signs
[22:40] <thumper> perhaps one day
[22:40]  * thumper resists the temptation to write one for this test
[22:51] <davecheney> yo dog, i put an event bus inside juju, so you could wait for events, while waiting for events
[22:51] <davecheney> #pleasemakeitstop
[22:52] <thumper> :)
[23:07] <wallyworld> thumper: i think someone said there was a go pubsub project somewhere? in our copious free time, let's plug it in
[23:38] <hazmat> wallyworld, nsq
[23:38] <hazmat> different operational semantics than what we want for juju, at least once instead of at most
[23:45] <wallyworld> hazmat: i wasn't going to do it :-)
[23:45] <wallyworld> but i do think our event substrate is broken somewhat
[23:53] <hazmat> wallyworld,  how so?
[23:53] <hazmat> wallyworld, i agree fwiw, but curious your reasons
[23:55] <wallyworld> hazmat: hard to explain in detail over irc. but a couple of things. 1. we notify of changes but then make the recipients all poll back to get the changes. so stampeding herd problem and race condition
[23:55] <wallyworld> 2. we don't mux/demux notifications to recipients
[23:55] <hazmat> wallyworld,  yup that's  the same nutshell. moving the pub/sub to the api layer would help.. non composable db transactions as observation feed aren't ideal.
[23:55] <wallyworld> so send a lot more round trips than we need
[23:56] <hazmat> actually that's a little different but also good
[23:56] <wallyworld> i agree somewhat with backend issues you mention. but think we can model around that
[23:56] <wallyworld> generally, any polling based system doesn't scale well
[23:56] <hazmat> wallyworld, the notify of change, and fetch change actually helps solve some races as well, its fairly tried and true for state based changes as opposed to event queue work
[23:57] <wallyworld> depends. i've also seen the opposite. i guess it related to ovrall system architecture
[23:57] <hazmat> the herd is a bit worse than that, since its baked into the charm model.
[23:57] <wallyworld> oh :-(
[23:58] <hazmat> svc a 1k units related to svc b's 1 unit.. .. svc b changes.
[23:58] <wallyworld> having arrived late to juju-core, i do get the feeling scalability wasn't up front in the design considerations
[23:58] <wallyworld> or as important as perhaps it might have been
[23:59] <wallyworld> cause "we'll solve it later wen needed" sorta can lead to design that's hard to change
[23:59] <hazmat> there was a lot resistance to event mq models in favor of state observation models
[23:59] <wallyworld> they don't have to be mutually exclusive
[23:59] <hazmat> true
[23:59] <wallyworld> eg events can be used to communicate the model state at the time the event was published


[00:08] <mdeslaur> tkamppeter: are you working on ghostscript 9.26 for disco?   Tracker MIR +1 from security team
[09:22] <willcooke> Laney, aces!  Thank you
[09:23] <Laney> just https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libcue/+bug/1770871 left now
[09:23] <Laney> although that could probably be disabled if it takes too long
[09:24] <seb128> yeah, those are optional
[09:25] <seb128> though it looks like security team has cycles for reviews atm, they just picked a bunch of our items and assigned them
[09:25] <seb128> so maybe they do libcue this week as well
[09:26] <Laney> not urgent yet
[09:27] <Laney> acheronuk: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/399277799/qtbase-opensource-src_5.11.2+dfsg-7ubuntu1_5.11.2+dfsg-7ubuntu3.diff.gz any comment before I publish? ignore the bits from ubuntu2
[09:33] <Laney> or mitya57
[09:45] <andyrock> morning all!
[09:50] <duflu> Morning andyrock
[09:50] <duflu> That said, I should think about dinner
[09:54] <willcooke> hi andyrock, bye duflu
[09:54] <duflu> Yes. Because otherwise I'm about to start on a new fix :P
[09:54] <duflu> Night
[09:55] <willcooke> :) see ya
[09:58] <seb128> hey andyrock!
[10:03] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[10:03] <willcooke> hi oSoMoN
[10:03] <oSoMoN> hey willcooke
[10:04] <seb128> lut oSoMoN, en forme ?
[10:08] <oSoMoN> lut seb128, bien et toi?
[10:12] <seb128> ça va, un peu fatigué, ce rhume ne me laisse pas tranquille (bien que ça commence quand même à aller mieux)
[10:24] <andyrock> didrocks: https://github.com/micheleg/dash-to-dock/pull/847
[10:24] <gitbot> micheleg issue (Pull request) 847 in dash-to-dock "Add changelog entry for LP: #1769383" [Open]
[10:24] <andyrock> or Trevinho if he's in the middle of the night XD ^^^
[10:25] <didrocks> andyrock: yeah, let's see with Trevinho please ;)
[10:26] <andyrock> it's just a changelog entry
[10:26] <andyrock> :D
[10:27] <andyrock> would be nice to have write access to that branch
[10:27] <andyrock> 😥
[10:35] <seb128> didrocks, how do the acl work for that project? can we get people added or is it only the owner since it's under a personnal account?
[10:46] <didrocks> seb128: something to ask to Michele, he only gave to some people (not even sure who) access to the "ubuntu" branch
[10:47] <seb128> didrocks, so he's the owner/only one who can add people?
[10:47] <didrocks> I think so
[10:48] <seb128> sorry I'm unsure how github work in that regard and where I can see who can do what on the branch
[10:48] <seb128> k
[10:48] <seb128> thx didrocks, I'm going to email him (and maybe Cc you if it's ok, because he doesn't know me and might got WTF) to ask if we can add more people added
[10:48] <didrocks> I don't know either where this config can be seen
[10:48] <didrocks> sure, feel free to CC me
[10:48] <didrocks> and yeah, makes sense
[10:48] <seb128> thx
[10:48] <seb128> now I wonder if we should consider it as a packaging branch
[10:49] <seb128> and e.g just add people who have upload right
[10:49] <seb128> or if it's ok to ask for andrea/marco do be added
[10:50] <didrocks> hum, I think ti's fine to add andrea/marco
[10:50] <didrocks> then, the sponsor just takes care of the debdiff
[10:50] <didrocks> and review
[10:50] <willcooke> seb128, I emailed him yesterday, want me to tag this on too, so we dont overwhelm him?
[10:50] <willcooke> (no reply yet, mind)
[10:50] <seb128> willcooke, yes please
[10:50] <willcooke> oki, I will give him another day or so and then follow up
[10:51] <seb128> thx!
[10:53] <andyrock> Marco already got access
[10:53] <andyrock> he has access to dash-to-dock branches too
[10:53] <andyrock> seb128: I'm testing new ubuntu-dock on disco vm
[10:54] <andyrock> once tested I can give you the debdiff or the uploader can just use ubuntu-dock branch
[10:54] <andyrock> I will handle cosmic and bionic sru too later
[10:56] <andyrock> tbh I would move the ubuntu-dock branches under the ~ubuntu-desktop team
[10:59] <seb128> I would be fine with that but Didier is busy enough atm and I'm not sure it's the right time to argue over best vcs use
[10:59] <seb128> so for now let's just get people added to the github acl if we can
[10:59] <seb128> andyrock, I'm happy to sponsor a debdiff, Marco can sort out the vcs later on
[11:00] <mitya57> Laney: LGTM
[11:02] <Laney> thx
[11:12] <Laney> synced
[11:25] <andyrock> seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock/+bug/1769383/comments/46
[11:25] <seb128> andyrock, thx
[11:26] <andyrock> seb128: works in disco on top of gnome-shell from repo and gnome-shell from master
[11:30] <seb128> andyrock, uploaded
[11:30] <andyrock> seb128: thx
[11:30] <seb128> thank you for doing the work! :)
[12:03] <willcooke> Is there a fwupd IRC channel?
[12:04] <willcooke> I'll ask hughsie
[12:15] <Wimpress> tseliot: Are you aware of this?
[12:15] <Wimpress> https://www.linuxuprising.com/2018/11/fix-nvidia-graphics-drivers-ppa.html
[12:17] <Wimpress> https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/a0zii8/updating_from_the_ubuntu_nvidia_ppa_did_it_break/
[12:21] <tseliot> Wimpress: no, but we have only 410 in the archive (in disco), and we are not going to move to 415
[12:22] <Wimpress> Understood. The "feedback" is about the PPA, which now include 415.
[12:22] <tseliot> ricotz: have you seen that? ^
[12:23] <tseliot> Wimpress: ricotz and mamarley (in #ubuntu-x maintain that)
[12:23] <ricotz> tseliot, yes, and this concerns the 410 disco package
[12:24] <tseliot> ricotz: oh, 410 too?
[12:24] <ricotz> yes
[12:24] <ricotz> just run vulkaninfo
[12:24] <tseliot> ok, I'll look into that then
[12:25] <tseliot> Wimpress: ^
[12:26] <Wimpress> Thanks for investigating ricotz
[12:27] <Wimpress> I wish people would consider LP bugs and IRC before posting on Twitter and Reddit.
[12:27] <Wimpress> I'll speak to Liam.
[12:28] <willcooke> nice one, thanks chaps
[12:28] <willcooke> Wimpress, does Liam do IRC?
[12:29] <Wimpress> No idea. But making some effort to come to us directly would be far better than stumbling over random post on "the Internet"
[12:34] <tseliot> ricotz: I have just downloaded and extracted libnvidia-gl-410_410.78-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb, and nvidia_icd.json looks correct: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QWxzQMwFfX/
[12:34] <tseliot> this is from the package in the archive
[12:35] <Laney>  Package 'uuid', required by 'fontconfig', not found
[12:35] <Laney> naughty fontconfig SRU
[12:35] <Laney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fontconfig/+bug/1803534/comments/7
[12:35] <Laney> just beaten, damn it :-)
[12:36] <seb128> :p
[12:36] <Laney> can we kill that version from proposed pls
[12:37] <seb128> I guess the SRU team wouldn't mind me doing that?
[12:37]  * seb128 does
[12:37] <willcooke> kenvandine, FYI ^
[12:37] <Laney> thx
[12:38] <ricotz> tseliot, looking, I remember I ran into installation problems due to different debian.gz checksums with multiarch
[12:40] <tseliot> ok
[12:41] <seb128> Laney, done
[12:41] <Laney> merci!
[12:41] <seb128> de rien!
[12:42] <seb128> on that note I'm starving, moving to work from a lunch place and get a burger :)
[12:42] <ricotz> tseliot, yes /usr/share/doc/libnvidia-gl-410/changelog.Debian.gz is different on amd64 and i386
[12:42] <ricotz> is the old gzip bug back?
[12:43] <tseliot> let me check. It should come from the same installer though
[12:43] <tseliot> I don't remember the gzip bug though
[12:44] <ricotz> tseliot, this file get zipped on buildtime by debhelper or so, but i386 and amd64 needs to produce the same binary
[12:45] <ricotz> ok, this installation problem cause my breakage of vulkan here
[12:47] <tseliot> ricotz: the changelog on i386 seems to be an empty file
[13:17] <kenvandine> willcooke: ugh...
[13:49] <kenvandine> seb128: i've uploaded the depends fix
[13:51] <kenvandine> oSoMoN: did you see the upstream comments on the firefox bug?
[13:52] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, I did
[13:52] <oSoMoN> busy with libreoffice build failures atm though
[13:52] <kenvandine> oSoMoN: ok
[14:05] <seb128> bah, wifi there is not the best
[14:05] <seb128> kenvandine, thx
[14:22] <willcooke> speaking of dodgy wifi
[14:22] <willcooke> I need to take my laptop for a walk around the street to test oSoMoN's n-m fixes
[14:24] <seb128> they used to have a normal wifi here
[14:24] <seb128> but now they have one where you need to log through a facebook account to use it
[14:24] <seb128> which I'm not going to do, so I use the one from the place next to them, but that has weak signal :p
[14:25] <oSoMoN> man, I hope the burgers are worth it
[14:25] <willcooke> lol
[14:25] <seb128> I ended up changing my mind and taking the steak, it was good :)
[14:25] <willcooke> fake facebook profiles ftw
[14:26] <seb128> so facebook thinks they have even more users? ;)
[14:26] <willcooke> :)
[14:26] <willcooke> Invest in Facebook, register a load of new accounts, sell your shares, profit.
[14:26] <willcooke> Buy more steaks
[14:27] <willcooke> In related news, I had a cheese sandwich for lunch
[14:27]  * willcooke phones his stock broker
[14:27] <seb128> :)
[14:43] <Laney> me too
[14:44] <Laney> but I added sriracha mayo
[14:44] <Laney> #lunchnews
[14:44] <clobrano> Hi all o/
[14:45] <seb128> hey clobrano! how are you?
[14:45] <seb128> Laney, fancy!
[14:45] <clobrano> Hey seb128, doing fine, how about you?
[14:45] <Laney> hey clobrano
[14:45] <clobrano> Laney: :)
[14:45] <seb128> I'm ok, being dealing with annoying cold still but otherwise good :)
[14:46] <clobrano> seb128: I see, that period of the year again :)
[14:46] <seb128> indeed :/
[14:47] <clobrano> I'm investigating on using a script to "surufy" the icons of newly installed application. For deb installed Yaru (18.10), there should be no big issues (using Post-Invoke script), what I wonder is how to do the same when the script is provided within the snap
[14:51] <seb128> kenvandine might be able to help you there?
[14:56] <kenvandine> clobrano: let me ping you later this morning, going into a meeting now
[14:57] <clobrano> kenvandine: of course, thanks!
[14:57] <kenvandine> clobrano: if i don't ping you in an hour, please nag me :)
[14:57] <clobrano> oky
[18:11] <oSoMoN> seb128, andyrock : re bug #1765304, I rebuilt gnome-shell for bionic with https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/merge_requests/140, and this fixes the issue with focus on password fields in firefox
[18:11] <gitbot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 140 in gnome-shell "keyboard: Do not call KeyboardManager.holdKeyboard() with set-content-type" [1. Bug, 6. Input, Merged]
[18:11] <oSoMoN> test PPA is here: https://launchpad.net/~osomon/+archive/ubuntu/gs-lp1765304/+packages
[18:12] <mdeslaur> tkamppeter: forget about it, I'm doing 9.26 now, including disco
[19:22] <willcooke> night all
[20:49] <seb128> oSoMoN, oh, good ... Trevinho see backlog, would be nice to have the MR Olivier listed in the next gnome-shell bionic SRU


[12:21] <spm_draget> Xenial #Alpha 2 is not yet feature-freeze, I know. But out of curiosity: Does it use the main (currently alpha) xenial repository and when it is officially released, an 'apt-get dist-upgrade' will get me to the very same state as the official release*, or is there anything special happening that would make it better to use a clean install from the official install media?  (* Configurations might change due to updated packages… but
[12:21] <spm_draget>  I assume could just use the pakcage maintainer verison or carefully merge my existing changes into the new one.)
[12:22] <spm_draget> I.e. for testing in a non-productive environment, can I install the alpha and use the same installe once it is stable for my production server?
[12:22] <spm_draget> *April
[12:23] <ikonia> I thought it was in feature freeze
[12:23] <ikonia> thought that happened a while ago
[12:27] <spm_draget> ikonia: According to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseSchedule 18th Feb
[12:29] <spm_draget> I am just a fan of 'clean installs'. I do not mind if here and there some package version still changes for my setup. I am used to rolling-release distributions on my personal computers :P I am just wondering if it makes sense to configure 16.04 already or if I should better reinstall anyways in april.
[12:31] <ikonia> I'd expect a clean install
[12:31] <ikonia> I certainly wouldn't want to roll forward from this early a release stage
[12:36] <spm_draget> Why not? It is not very likely that anything deeply wired into the system will change. More likely some apache 2.4.x to 2.4.y updates or some kernel bump, nothing that should cause major issues
[12:57] <Daekdroom> spm_draget, you can certainly use 'dist-upgrade' to get to the official release.
[12:58] <Daekdroom> In fact, that might not even be necessary. It's only needed when a package installed has dependency changes due to an update, I think.
[12:59] <Daekdroom> (but it's very likely you'll need it at some point, instead of 'upgrade'; that may happen even when you're using a stable version)
[13:00] <darkduke> why unity8 use qt?
[13:01] <darkduke> i don't think it is a good idea
[13:06] <spm_draget> Daekdroom: Okay, thanks. Then I will play around with Xenial and if I am happy in april, use it for production
[15:43] <MoPac> Hello. I'm running into a problem that prevents me from trying a Mir/Unity8 session using a live USB with 16.04.  I've reported the bug here (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8-desktop-session/+bug/1539811) and was hoping that someone might be able to glance at it and see if there is anything obvious I should try? (Trying to mount the disk as rw? Not expecting this to work at all..?)
[15:46] <philinux> MoPac;~ you'll get more assistance here. http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=427
[15:59] <Voyage> Is 16.04 LTS?
[15:59] <Voyage> I just did release upgrade and it installed 16.04 from 14.04
[16:01] <MoPac> Voyage: Yes, it is to be the LTS release. (But it's only in Alpha now).
[16:01] <Voyage> I just did release upgrade and it installed 16.04 from 14.04. isnt that strange
[16:02] <MoPac> Voyage: In your software and updates app, under the "updates" tab, do you have "pre-release" checked?
[16:03] <Voyage> iam on console only
[16:05] <Voyage> any ways, how to know policy of an app. the version..
[16:05] <MoPac> try "nano /etc/apt/sources.list.distUpgrade"
[16:06] <MoPac> Actually, I didn't see the "proposed" change in that file when I did it in the app; I'll go see if I can figure out where it get changed
[16:09] <MoPac> okay, looks like the change would just be in the sources.list file
[16:10] <MoPac> So use nano or whatever text viewer to look at /etc/apt/sources.list
[16:10] <Voyage> hm
[16:10] <MoPac> And see if (probably toward the bottom) there is a "proposed" repository that is active rather than #commented out
[16:10] <Voyage> but this only shows sources list. not pre released or LTS etc choice
[16:11] <MoPac> I'm not 100% sure that this would be the culprit, but I'm curious if it is
[16:20] <Voyage> ok
[16:20] <Voyage> where is database.yml
[18:35] <ChibaPet> Where would op abuse like that best be reported?
[18:37] <k1l_> ChibaPet: op abuse is a harsh word. but you can report it in #ubuntu-ops and if that doesnt satisfy you you can email the ubuntu IRC council
[18:37] <k1l_> (like its mentioned in the guidelines)
[18:37] <ChibaPet> k1l_: Thank you. I'll fire off an email later.
[18:37] <k1l_> (and if you mean voyage: he has a long track record of causing issues with trolling)
[18:38] <ChibaPet> Ah, that would inform the situation more. I was unaware of that.


 I've applied for membership and I'm looking forward to the meeting tomorrow. :)
[08:45] <jo-erlend> you?
[09:05] <dpm> jo-erlend, ah, cool!
[09:06] <dpm> good luck in the meeting
[09:07] <jo-erlend> thanks. I recently took over as contact for the Norwegian loco, so I thought it was a good time to make my commitment to Ubuntu a little more formal.
[09:46] <dpm> jo-erlend, excellent
[19:19] <mhall119> are there anyone from the ARB here?
[19:52] <ajmitch> mhall119: sorry for the delay, but yes
[19:53] <mhall119> ajmitch: I sent an email to the ML instead, it's waiting moderation according to the reply I got
[19:54] <ajmitch> ok, stgraber has the keys to the list now iirc, he should let it through soon


[01:01] <eternal> stupid people
[01:02] <bazhang> eternal, please not again
[01:02] <eternal> shut up
[01:02] <eternal> stupid
[01:02] <eternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList
[01:02] <eternal> don't tell me please again
[01:02] <eternal> or i will enter all the channels
[02:52] <Mokstar_> Hello!
[02:52] <Mokstar_> I'm trying to make a persistent LiveSD
[02:53] <Mokstar_> I've made one with the Universal USB Installer on Windows, how do I make it go right into the OS rather than the "try ubuntu, install ubuntu, memtest86" menu?
[02:53] <bazhang> !usb | Mokstar_
[02:53] <bazhang> last link Mokstar_
[03:03] <Mokstar_> ok
[03:03] <Mokstar_> looks like I need to edit syslinux.cfg, right?
[03:08] <bazhang> did you check that guide? set to boot from sd card in bios?
[03:10] <Mokstar_> that part I've handled, it's booting fine
[03:10] <Mokstar_> just trying to snip out the menu
[03:51] <Mokstar_> OK
[03:52] <Mokstar_> just so you guys know, in case some poor windows n00b comes in and asks something like, "How do I get my xubuntu SD card to boot quickly into the OS without hitting the menu?"
[03:52] <Mokstar_> you can tell them, "edit /syslinux/syslinux.cfg and set the 'timeout' value to 1"
[03:53] <Mokstar_> just thought I'd pass that along
[03:53] <Mokstar_> ttfn
[04:43]  * WebDawg zZzZzZzZz
[05:03] <Mokstar_> ahh
[05:04] <Mokstar_> cannot stat /vmlinuz
[05:04] <Mokstar_> what does "stat" mean?
[06:38] <thauriswulfa1> QUESTION: sound not working,external creative sound card , can anybody help?
[06:41] <Sysi> install pavucontrol and set up pulseaudio
[07:10] <thauriswulfa> is there any version of mplayer for xubuntu
[07:11] <Sysi> basicalle all of them, not xfce-specific ui afaik
[07:12] <thauriswulfa> actually i am having problems with exaile it kind of hangs on some songs and stop working
[07:12] <thauriswulfa> any solution
[07:13] <Sysi> do you have xubuntu-restricted-extras installed?
[07:13] <thauriswulfa> don't kno
[07:13] <thauriswulfa> what are those?
[07:13] <Sysi> codecs, flash, java
[07:14] <Sysi> it's single package
[07:14] <thauriswulfa> ok
[07:14] <thauriswulfa> how to install
[07:14] <Sysi> like other packages
[07:15] <thauriswulfa> thanx sysi
[07:20] <mohddzulffiqar> hi people..
[07:21] <mohddzulffiqar> nobody??
[07:21] <bazhang> ask a question
[07:22] <mohddzulffiqar> do you know how to install browser minefied???
[07:23] <bazhang> !find minified
[07:23] <bazhang> no such package
[07:23] <mohddzulffiqar> oic...sorry..this is my first  time using xubuntu
[07:24] <mohddzulffiqar> i dont know where to start my journey
[07:25] <gr8m8> you're off to a good start having found irc already mohddzulffiqar
[07:29] <mohddzulffiqar> there is a way to install VLC media player??
[07:30] <gr8m8> !info vlc
[07:30] <Sysi> with ubuntu software center for example
[07:31] <mohddzulffiqar> tq very much!!!
[07:37] <[[n1x]]> Anyone know if xfce 4.8 allows right click menu editing?
[07:38] <Sysi> 4.8 is just available in test version, not supported here
[07:38] <Sysi> you i guess you can try wth alacarte
[07:38] <Sysi> *with
[07:39] <[[n1x]]> 4.8 is stable not test
[07:39] <bazhang> #ubuntu+1 has it
[07:39] <Sysi> it's not available in stable ubuntu repositories
[07:40] <bazhang> [[n1x]], its in the alpha version of xubuntu
[07:41] <[[n1x]]> Sysi thought it was test since its in the alpha of xubuntu
[07:41] <bazhang> he's right. its in the alpha version of xubuntu
[07:43] <Sysi> [[n1x]]: i said it's not available for stable ubuntu (exept compiling)
[07:43] <Sysi> i know it's released stable xfce version
[07:44] <Sysi> (you can notice me in nick list at #xfce)
[08:30] <TornadoXubuntu> Hello! Please the right click of my mouse on my desktop is delaying a lot (around 10 seconds). I have installed the xfApplet and some other programs yesterday where the problem appeared thereafter. I am using [Xubuntu 10.10, XFCE, Thunar File manager]
[08:31] <TornadoXubuntu> any ideas or suggestions please?
[10:40] <Ascavasaion> I have an AMD Duron 1300MHz machine, 30Gb HDD and 384M RAM.  I have two different graphics cards and two monitors.  What Distro would run the best on it?  I tried Puppy, but its kernel does not allow VGA arbiter which is key to enabling dual display support.  Any advice pelase.
[10:41] <Sysi> dmoi
[10:41] <Sysi> whops
[10:43] <Sysi> xubuntu should work on that ram, you could try lubuntu too
[10:43] <Ascavasaion> But do their kernels have VGA arbiter enabled?
[10:44] <Sysi> idk what that means
[10:44] <Sysi> what is that graphics card?
[10:46] <Ascavasaion> Sysi: It is what the kernel needs to allow Xorg to use two different graphics cards and two moiitors
[10:46] <Sysi> it's not gonna be easy abyway, but maybe possible
[10:47] <faLUCE> hi, is that compatible with ubuntu? http://www.jetwaycomputer.com/NC97.html
[10:48] <Sysi> propably
[10:53] <faLUCE> Sysi: :)
[10:53] <faLUCE> I need a deterministic answer
[11:06] <Sysi> it's standard intel chipset, but never sure about suspends+stuff
[11:10] <faLUCE> Sysi: what's suspends + stuff?
[11:10] <Sysi> suspend may not work, google knows
[11:10] <faLUCE> and stuff?
[11:10] <knome> hibernate
[11:11] <knome> etc
[11:11] <knome> faLUCE, you should test the live cd. that will give you a good estimate if it's working well with ubuntu.
[11:11] <faLUCE> knome: If I could... I would
[11:11] <faLUCE> but I can't
[11:11] <knome> anyway, you shouldn't irc as root
[11:12] <faLUCE> knome: I know
[11:14] <faLUCE> knomw, I wonder if there's a website that list the mboards tested with ubuntu
[16:48] <syth> I would like to setup a media server for the users here at work.
[16:48] <syth> Looking for something web based and simple
[16:48] <syth> suggestions
[16:50] <Sysi> whan kind of media server and how web-based
[17:09] <syth> i need suggestions on the media server
[17:10] <syth> MythTV, etc.
[17:10] <syth> but just for streaming audio and maybe video
[17:12] <bazhang> mpd? mediatomb?
[17:13] <bazhang> !info mediatomb
[17:13] <Sysi> pulseaudio can stream audio but idk how easy it is
[17:23] <syth> mediatomb huh.
[17:24] <syth> I'll look into it. Thanks!
[17:24] <mythid> can anyo0ne tell me how to update my package software catalog?
[17:28] <bazhang> sudo apt-get update
[19:27] <xandlom> hi
[19:30] <xandlom> hi
[19:31] <charlie-tca> !hi, xandlom
[19:31] <charlie-tca> !hi
[19:31] <utotwel> Is it possible to change where the Places -> Documents, Music, etc. directories are located?
[19:33] <xandlom> charlie-tca: How are you?
[19:33] <xandlom> I am first time on channel.
[19:34] <charlie-tca> utotwel: you can remove them from /home and add them elsewhere, but some will be rebuilt at startup
[19:34] <charlie-tca> xandlom: doing fine.
[19:35] <utotwel> charlie-tca: cool. is there a way to "remap" those menu items under Places to the new locations?
[19:36] <charlie-tca> I do it by right-click, send shortcut to side, then right click the shortcut and rename it, like usr-Documents
[19:36] <charlie-tca> It keeps it from being overwritten then
[19:36] <utotwel> charlie-tca: thanks!
[19:38] <charlie-tca> You can also try removing them from /etc/xdg/user-dirs.defaults, but I don't know what it does to remove them completely
[19:38] <charlie-tca> I change some names there, and it works
[19:38] <charlie-tca> That might move, though, in future releases
[19:39] <utotwel> ok thanks for the info
[19:40] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[19:42] <xandlom> bye
[19:42] <charlie-tca> good luck
[19:47] <ubuser> hello
[19:47] <charlie-tca> !hi | ubottu
[20:00] <sockPants> hi all
[20:00] <sockPants> i'm trying to install xubuntu via pxe
[20:00] <sockPants> i just copied the /install/netboot folder to the tftpboot folder and it boots, but it boots into an installer that wants to download everything off the internet but the system has no internet connection.
[20:00] <sockPants> how can i make it install from the iso
[20:14] <charlie-tca> !install
[20:42] <sockPants> the only relevant piece i can find already is local net boot, which doesn't work.
[20:43] <sockPants> i've added a boot menu entry for 'live' and it actually works, but it still boots the same installer which still wants to download from the internet
[22:28] <ahklerner> how can i fix my panel? my computer was acting real laggy and i rebooted, now i dont have a panel. running the xfce4-panel gives me some yuck one, can i get my setup back somehow?
[22:29] <pleia2> !panels
[22:29] <ahklerner> if i go to panel in settings nothing ever comes up
[22:29] <pleia2> the help links may offer some suggestions
[22:30] <ahklerner> ok thank you
[22:35] <ahklerner> thanks!
[23:10] <mark76> That's better :)
[23:46] <nekoCAT> I have a quick question.  Does XFCE have a menu editor?
[23:46] <charlie-tca> nope
[23:46] <mark76> It does in 4.8
[23:47] <charlie-tca> but you can use any editor such as alacarte to edit menus in 4.8
[23:48] <nekoCAT> 4.8 has a menu editor? How do I launch it then?
[23:48] <charlie-tca> no, it does not
[23:48] <charlie-tca> but you can use any editor such as alacarte to edit menus in 4.8
[23:49] <charlie-tca> sudo apt-get install alacarte
[23:49] <nekoCAT> Is there a way to install Alacarte without the Gnome dependencies?
[23:49] <charlie-tca> nope
[23:50] <charlie-tca> but you can use any menu editor, too. It does not have to be alacarte
[23:53] <nekoCAT> Do you have any recommendations then for a lightweight menu editor?
[23:53] <charlie-tca> sorry, no, I don't
[23:54] <nekoCAT> Okay, thanks.


[05:10] <thumper> review needed: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~thumper/launchpad/recipe-build-email-fix/+merge/32063
[05:10] <thumper> ^^ critical bug
[05:48] <thumper> lifeless: do you think it is worthwhile changing the mail to be a symbolic name?
[05:48] <lifeless> thumper: not a blocker, and I'm sure there are many places that would need touched.
[05:49] <lifeless> thumper: it was just reading it I went 'erk' - its tech debt waiting for use in future.
[05:49] <thumper> lifeless: actually it looks like it could be a config variable
[05:49] <lifeless> ahha! in which case that makes it rather more important to use that
[05:50] <thumper> config.canonical.noreply_from_address
[05:50] <thumper> changed
[05:52] <lifeless> sweet, thanks
[05:56] <thumper> I'll just run through ec2 to make sure there are no surprising breakages
[05:56] <lifeless> naturally ;)
[12:26]  * henninge lunches
[13:18] <salgado> bigjools, LP seems to be having trouble to generate a diff of https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~salgado/launchpad/bug-614923/+merge/32089, but I think it's worth of an RC so here's the diff: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~salgado/launchpad/bug-614923/revision/9639 :)
[14:36] <bigjools> salgado: approved :)
[14:42] <salgado> thanks bigjools!
[14:47] <salgado> bigjools, should I submit it to devel or db-devel?
[14:51] <henninge> Hi abentley! ;)
[14:51] <abentley> henninge, Hi!
[14:52] <bigjools> salgado: devel is open
[14:53] <salgado> bigjools, I actually submitted it to db-devel before asking.  should I submit it to devel as well?
[14:53] <bigjools> salgado: might be a good idea
[14:54] <salgado> ok, I'll do that
[15:12] <henninge> jtv: the reason for putting translation_side_traits in the interface is so that it can be accessed on security proxied instances?
[15:12] <jtv> henninge: no, it's just for convenience.
[15:13] <jtv> As the cover letter says: potemplate.translation_side_traits is easier to spell than getUtility(ITranslationSideTraitsSet).getForTemplate(potemplate)
[15:14] <henninge> yes, I understand taht.
[15:21] <bac> bigjools:  rc ping
[15:21] <bigjools> bac: rc pong
[15:23] <bac> bigjools:  i have a db branch that i tried to get in on friday but due to some hardware problems i missed by 45 minutes
[15:23] <bac> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~bac/launchpad/db-bug-613442/+merge/31955
[15:24] <bac> bigjools:  the patch modifies the db but does nothing operational.  it is prep for work scheduled for the next cycle.
[15:24] <bac> bigjools:  so i am requesting an RC
[15:25] <bigjools> bac: what are the risks?
[15:27] <bac> bigjools:  there are no call sites yet using the new properties.  i cannot see any risks.  i will land it through ec2 to ensure, again, that nothing breaks.
[15:28] <bac> bigjools:  there is ONE risk.  i have a self-assigned db-patch number as stub was not available to give me one
[15:28] <bigjools> ah
[15:28] <bac> bigjools:  after talking with jml i just picked the next one , 81
[15:28] <bigjools> did you let him know?
[15:28] <bac> bigjools:  that is a risk that you as the gatekeeper may need to manage.
[15:28] <bac> bigjools:  no i haven't but will right now
[15:29] <bigjools> FWIW I often ask him for numbers before a schema review
[15:30] <bigjools> bac: ok so rc=me.  It's probably the least risky time to pick the next number since there's not many branches going in.
[15:31] <bac> bigjools:  email just sent to stub and lp-dev
[15:31] <bigjools> bac: great, thankds
[15:54] <henninge> jtv: reviewed
[15:54] <jtv> henninge: yayyy!  Er… sneak preview?
[15:54] <henninge> r=me ;)
[15:54] <jtv> yayyy!
[15:54] <jtv> :-)
[15:54] <jtv> Thanks.
[15:55] <henninge> np but we will have to discuss the traits some more another time.
[15:55] <jtv> henninge: OK.  By the way, I'm not saying you did anything wrong w.r.t. the parentheses—it's just that the new lint doesn't like it that way and I try to keep it quiet.
[15:55] <henninge> jtv: all good. ;)
[15:58] <jtv> henninge: you're right that we might as well not expose the traits in the interface… I'll see if I can change that.
[15:58] <henninge> cool
[17:51] <rockstar> abentley, I have a rc candidate branch coming up.
[18:23] <rockstar> abentley, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rockstar/launchpad/fix-cancel-rescore-permissions/+merge/32126
[18:28] <abentley> rockstar, it's nice to block access to the pages, but AFAIK, this only prevents people from viewing the pages, not sending POST requests to rescore/cancel builds.
[18:29] <rockstar> abentley, I don't think that's true, because it's a request to the page, and the access SHOULD be on a request level.
[18:29] <rockstar> abentley, I guess I don't know, but I'm assuming it would DTRT.
[18:30] <abentley> rockstar, possibly.  Testing required.  wgrant has demonstrated that the model permissions are wrong, and I think that's the key thing to fix.
[18:30] <abentley> rockstar, but for these pages, shouldn't it be Admin, not Edit?  You can imagine that in the future, we'd want users to be able to cancel their own builds.
[18:31] <rockstar> abentley, I thought about that, but wanted to make a minimal change for rc.
[18:31] <abentley> rockstar, thought about model permissions or Admin vs Edit?
[18:31] <rockstar> abentley, the latter.
[18:32] <abentley> rockstar, why would Admin be a larger change?
[18:32] <rockstar> abentley, it's not a much larger change, but the current permissions are launchpad.Edit, so I'd have to change the links, etc.
[18:33] <rockstar> launchpad.Admin isn't currently defined.  We can make the current launchpad.Edit be launchpad.Admin, but it seems 6 of 1, half a dozen of the other.
[18:33] <abentley> rockstar, that's fine then.
[18:35] <abentley> rockstar, I'm thinking that eventually we will want it defined, and that it's clearer if lp.Edit isn't admin-only, but we can chalk that up as tech debt.
[18:36] <rockstar> abentley, okay.
[18:38] <abentley> r=me
[21:13] <rockstar> abentley, please to have a review: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rockstar/launchpad/fix-spr-builds-perms/+merge/32139
[21:14] <abentley> rockstar, r=me.  Thanks.
[21:14] <rockstar> abentley, no problem.  I'm fixing the model issues now.
[21:15] <abentley> rock!
[21:15] <rockstar> (because otherwise we'll expose it in the API one day without even thinking about it)
[21:50] <bac> sinzui:  https://code.launchpad.net/~bac/launchpad/bug-32618/+merge/32145
[21:53] <abentley> rockstar, I can has review?
[21:53] <abentley> rockstar, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~abentley/launchpad/fix-builder-history/+merge/32150
[21:55] <rockstar> abentley, r=me
[21:55] <abentley> rockstar, thanks.
[23:36] <wgrant> abentley: Code seems to prefer model permissions and ignore view permissions. But then when the model permissions fail, a hole is left. There are a few other places like this in Code as well.
[23:36] <wgrant> Everyone else seems to use correct permissions for the views as well.