[00:06] <mneptok> nxvl: pong
[00:08] <nxvl> mneptok: how are you gringo loco?
[00:08] <mneptok> bien! y tu?
[00:08] <mneptok> es viernes.
[00:09] <nxvl> yes
[00:09] <nxvl> one more class and out!
[00:09] <mneptok> excellent. :)
[00:09] <mneptok> if you want the logbot in #ubuntu-pe try /whois ubuntulog ;)
[00:10] <mneptok> there was also an -es version of ubottu, IIRC
[00:12] <nxvl> on how do i make to have it on #ubuntu-pe?
[00:12] <nxvl> s/on/and/g
[00:13] <nxvl> (i hate CGI:IRC clients)
[00:13] <mneptok> ubuntulog?
[00:13] <mneptok><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[00:14] <nxvl> ust send him/her a mail asking for it?
[00:14] <mneptok> claro que si.
[00:14] <nxvl> gracias!
[00:15] <mneptok> te nada
[00:15] <mneptok> damned fingers.
[02:21] <vorian> handled
[02:21] <Pici> thanks
[02:22] <Pici> I only noticed because he hilighted me somehow
[02:23] <bazhang> he's in #u now
[02:23] <Pici> I see, watching
[02:26] <nickrud> any particular reason to wait further?
[02:31] <nickrud> I'm waiting for the day when that exploit drops no one
[02:40] <Dave2> in a number of channels it's already there
[02:45] <nalioth> nickrud: it happens in #ubuntu occasionally
[02:46] <nickrud> not in my view, not yet. Therefore, it didn't exist
[02:47] <nalioth> check the logs  :)
[02:48] <vorian> zangaman just doesn't speak english very well
[02:48] <vorian> i talked to him about "pastebin" etc
[02:49]  * nickrud knows nalioth can doctor logs, so he shouldn't even try .....
[02:49] <mneptok> vorian: he's Romanian
[02:50] <mneptok> vorian: i have directed him to #ubuntu-ro, where dand can deal with him :)
[02:50] <vorian> yes, so it seems
[02:50]  * vorian highfives mneptok
[02:51] <mneptok> placere.
[02:51] <bazhang> his english is fine
[03:04] <nalioth> sorry folks, my local ISP is screwing the pooch, it seems
[03:22] <bazhang> zangaman ban evasion in kubuntu
[03:23] <bazhang> ah he quit
[03:23] <Pici> he was unbanned
[03:23] <bazhang> really? wow.
[03:24] <nickrud> heh bazhang we'd even unban you after a while ;)
[03:24] <Pici> we would?
[03:24] <bazhang> nickrud, not that quick; maybe after a few months :)
[03:25] <nickrud> ah, nalioth would force us to take pity
[03:33] <nalioth> idiots
[03:34] <Pici> trolls
[03:34] <nalioth> if you guys don't highlight on pasteplace.net, perhaps you should visit it ( use a browser you don't normally use [ so you can kill it ] ) and add it to your highlights
[03:35] <Pici> added
[03:35] <bazhang> what is that site
[03:35] <nalioth> did you visit it, Pici ?
[03:35] <nickrud> added
[03:35] <Pici> nickrud: yes
[03:35] <Pici> yes
[03:35] <nalioth> bazhang: see above.  visit and check it out
[03:36] <bazhang> did see above, still no clue
[03:36] <nalioth> also, if you've not got 'nimp.org' in your highlights, this is a biggie, too
[03:36]  * bazhang has only the one browser
[03:36] <Pici> using w3m is enough to show its not legit
[03:36] <nalioth> bazhang: it's a LastMeasure website that trolls trick their victimes into visiting, where (for windows users) it pretty much crashes the system
[03:37] <bazhang> thanks for the warning and info nalioth
[03:37] <nalioth> to catch you newer guys up, anything with 'nimp.org' in it is bad news
[03:38] <nalioth> it comes in many forms from the trolls
[03:39] <nickrud> that site was nimp.org, from what I could see of the url as the window danced around
[03:39] <Pici> nalioth: That same fellow who linked that site is back in #ubuntu
[03:39] <nalioth> nickrud: they use the same backend, yeah
[03:40] <bazhang> Pici, who
[03:40] <nalioth> widenose, bazhang
[03:40] <Pici> nickrud: widenose was the person who linked the pasteplace.net url
[03:40] <nalioth> he used the pasteplace URL that prompted my impromptu lessons in here
[03:41] <nickrud> rflol, I shouldn't try to keep up while at work
[03:42] <nalioth> you see leemajors got whacked
[03:58] <Hobbsee> nickrud: they'll need to file a ticket<EMAIL_ADDRESS>or poke a canonical sysadmin
[03:58] <Hobbsee> (we don't control it)
[03:58] <Hobbsee> bah, mneptok got it
[03:59] <nickrud> Hobbsee, yah, one less thing for me to be ignorant of :)
[03:59] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:00] <Fryguy--> a gnaa link and he doesn't get banned, and I make a sarcastic comment to somebody and I get banned for 12 hours.  really?
[04:00] <Fryguy--> i love double standards :(
[04:01] <Hobbsee> yay, driveby.
[04:01] <Hobbsee> nickrud: did you see the link?
[04:02] <nickrud> Hobbsee, yes,
[04:05]  * Pici doesnt know why he wasn't banned either
[04:05] <Hobbsee> do you guys not have access, or something?
[04:06] <Pici> Hobbsee: nalioth removed him, I thought he was dealing with it
[04:06] <bazhang> I wanted to ban *someone else*, but you need to see it live apparently :)
[04:06] <Hobbsee> ah
[04:06] <bazhang> I missed the *other one* by five seconds :(
[04:09] <nalioth> Pici: we don't tag lusers for constant attention
[04:10] <nalioth> i removed him and issued a warning for his use of malformed URLs
[04:32] <bazhang> heh
[05:30] <bazhang> hello [GuS] TiMiDo how may we assist you
[05:30] <TiMiDo> nothing really
[05:30] <bazhang> TiMiDo, you read the /topic?
[05:31] <TiMiDo> i am an op in #ubuntu-ops
[05:31] <TiMiDo> i am an op in #ubuntu-es
[05:31] <bazhang> TiMiDo, then #ubuntu-irc is where you want to be :)
[05:32] <bazhang> TiMiDo, you are an op in here?
[05:32] <bazhang> o.0
[05:37]  * nickrud is puffed up, an op in -ops :)
[05:37] <bazhang> got to keep the rabble in line :)
[08:09]  * ompaul waves at Madpilot
[08:10] <Tm_T> morning kids
[08:10] <ompaul> and?
[08:10] <Tm_T> and ompaul son
[08:10]  * Tm_T hides
[08:10] <ompaul> hahaha
[08:10] <ompaul>  /cs m Tm_T
[08:10] <Madpilot> morning ompaul
[08:11] <ompaul> Madpilot, not often we pass online at the same time any more
[08:11] <Madpilot> ompaul, ya, I'm up a bit later than I'd planned to be :)
[08:11] <ompaul> heheh
[08:11] <Madpilot> had to wait on laundry :|
[08:12] <ompaul> ooch
[08:13] <ompaul> Madpilot, it is approaching breakfast time here locally it is Saturday
[08:13] <ompaul> it is 10 years of the breakfast club
[08:13] <ompaul> started out as 2
[08:13] <Madpilot> it's 0013 Saturday morning here
[08:13] <ompaul> now it is three or four
[08:19] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[08:19] <Myrtti> hugses for everyone
[08:19]  * Tm_T hugs Myrtti
[08:54] <Gary> yay huggles
[08:55] <jussi01> morning all
[10:26] <bazhang> livingdaylight
[10:28] <jussi01> I propose a change to the !ot factoid...
[10:28] <bazhang> :)
[10:29] <Myrtti> jussi01: shoot
[10:29] <jussi01> !ot
[10:29] <jussi01> ummm
[10:29] <bazhang> hahaha
[10:29] <Myrtti> lolwhut?
[10:30] <jussi01> hehe
[10:30] <jussi01> !offtopic
[10:30] <Myrtti> lol
[10:30] <jussi01> !-offtopic
[10:30] <jussi01> !#ubuntu
[10:30] <jussi01> what the heck...
[10:31] <Myrtti> lolwhut?
[10:31] <jussi01> ah, nevermind, I think I need to think it through some more...
[10:32] <Myrtti> jussi01: I can hear your australian accent over here
[10:32] <Myrtti> ;-)
[10:32] <jussi01> I want to somehow include more clearly that ubuntu discussion is offtopic - #ubuntu is for ubuntu support
[10:35] <bazhang> I hesitate in some cases to send certain folks into -offtopic channel
[10:35] <Myrtti> omnomnomnom
[10:35] <Myrtti> um, yeah
[10:35] <bazhang> just thinking about the opers in there having to clean up
[10:35] <bazhang> like lsd|ninja for example
[10:35] <ikonia> jussi01: an update to that factoid would be cool
[10:36] <jussi01> well if someone wants to propse the wording, my head is a bit addled atm...
[10:36] <Myrtti> "The topic at hand does not belong here and should be discussed in a more appropriate IRC channel. A full list of Ubuntu related channels is at blabla, a noncomplete list of all freenode channels is flala"
[10:36] <ikonia> it's a hard one to reword
[10:36] <Myrtti> HTH, HAND
[10:37] <bazhang> ourwayorthehighway
[10:37] <ikonia> something short and simple, would work well for me
[10:37] <ikonia> #ubuntu is for ubuntu support related questions only, ubuntu discussion can be taken up in #ubuntu-offtopic
[10:38] <jussi01> ikonia: you are off topic, get out! ?? :P
[10:38] <bazhang> haha
[10:38] <ikonia> jussi01: perhaps a tad too far to the left
[10:38]  * Myrtti is getting high on sugar
[10:38] <Myrtti> chinchin
[10:38] <jussi01> ikonia: we need to include the #ubuntu+1 stuff also
[10:39] <Myrtti> BLAH BLAH BLAH
[10:39] <ikonia> jussi01: very true, some perhaps a better wiki page and direct them there as Myrtti suggested
[10:39] <ikonia> jussi01: eg: #ubuntu is for ubuntu support questions onl visit wiki.ubuntu.com/channels for a complete list of irc channels and topics
[10:40] <ikonia> if someone wanting to be in +1 can't be bothered to read that page - than it's a good thing they are not in +1 discussion
[10:40] <ikonia> (for example)
[10:40] <jussi01> bazhang: in reference to your hesistating to redirect them to -offtopic, Id rather them play a bit of havoc there until someone can get to them than messing in the support channel
[10:40] <ikonia> it would be a potential way of weeding out time wasters
[10:40] <bazhang> jussi01, oh, I redirect them; just a feeling as I do so.
[10:40] <gnomefreak> no body reads teh topic of a channel so your pretty much just doing it for yourselves/all ops and the 1% that do read it)
[10:40] <Myrtti> jussi01: you can wait for that forever
[10:41] <ikonia> gnomefreak: factoid, not topic
[10:41] <gnomefreak> oh
[10:41] <ikonia> gnomefreak: concur on topic though
[10:41] <gnomefreak> i like your offtopic... get out
[10:41]  * jussi01 hugs gnomefreak
[10:41] <gnomefreak> ;_)
[10:41] <jussi01> :)
[10:41]  * gnomefreak hugs jussi01
[10:42] <gnomefreak> be back need smoke
[10:42] <ikonia> gnomefreak: that should be your away message
[10:43] <Myrtti> :-P
[10:43] <Myrtti> I wish I could be bothered to make a ssl tunnel to my bitlbee
[10:49] <gnomefreak> ikonia: i only use away messages when im gonna be gone >1hour
[10:50] <ikonia> gnomefreak: it's your trademark phrase
[10:50] <gnomefreak> :)
[10:55] <gnomefreak> anyone running hardy with backports enabled?
[10:56] <ikonia> got a vm running it
[10:57] <ikonia> bit borked but still running
[10:57] <Myrtti> oh lord, sometimes I wish I was native English
[10:58] <gnomefreak> i just need a flashplugin-nonfree version in hardy-backports
[10:59] <ikonia> gnomefreak: do you want me to grab the source ?
[10:59] <gnomefreak> Myrtti: your an aussie no?
[10:59] <ikonia> what do you want from it
[10:59] <Myrtti> gnomefreak: lol no
[10:59] <bazhang> hehe
[10:59] <ikonia> gnomefreak: 32/64bit ?
[10:59] <gnomefreak> ikonia: no just apt-cache policy flashplugin-nonfree
[10:59] <gnomefreak> ikonia: doesnt matter
[10:59] <ikonia> gnomefreak: 2 seconds
[10:59] <gnomefreak> i need to know if its version 9 or 10
[10:59] <Myrtti> that would make this channels female population 100% aussie
[10:59] <ikonia> booting machine
[10:59] <Myrtti> I think.
[11:00] <gnomefreak> Myrtti: that is correct
[11:03] <ikonia> gnomefreak:  Vintage Hot Rod
[11:03] <ikonia> oops
[11:04] <ikonia> 9.124.oubuntu2
[11:04] <gnomefreak> im not that vintage :(
[11:04] <ikonia> stupid cut and pasting from vm's not working
[11:04] <gnomefreak> ikonia: than why would he do that. thanks ikonia
[11:05] <gnomefreak> i will ask him why hes closing all flash bugs if my backport was never pushed
[11:05] <ikonia> seems an odd version
[11:07] <ikonia> gnomefreak: you may want to ignore that last version
[11:07] <ikonia> my laptop with backports not enabled is showing the same version
[11:07] <ikonia>  Candidate: <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu2
[11:07] <ikonia> I can't believe that backports is pushing out the same candidate as stable
[11:08] <gnomefreak> it shouldnt. i have built it for backports but noone has acked it yet for them to be pushed due to package depends.
[11:09] <ikonia> ahh
[11:09] <ikonia> so it is right, but it shouldnt be right
[11:09] <gnomefreak> most of us want to drop libflashsupport and just us asound-plugins, problem kubuntu xubuntu dont set pulse audio as default like in ubuntu
[11:10] <ikonia> why doesn't kubuntu ?
[11:10] <ikonia> supporting the 3 desktops has some serious drawbacks if not everyone is in line
[11:10] <gnomefreak> kubuntu still uses cant think of name off hand but its same for years
[11:10] <gnomefreak> ikonia: afreed
[11:10] <gnomefreak> agreed
[11:10] <ikonia> the last flash issue was a great example of that with libxft and konqueror
[11:10] <ikonia> gnomefreak: kde still using that sound server
[11:11] <ikonia> asound or whatever it was claled
[11:11] <ikonia> called
[11:11] <ikonia> kde CAN use pulse though
[11:11] <gnomefreak> it was kmix IIRC
[11:11] <ikonia> kmix was the mixer wasn't it ?
[11:11] <ikonia> where is Hobbsee when you need her
[11:11] <gnomefreak> yes it can but doesnt by default so we have to get the message out that they need to set it as default or use libflashsupport
[11:12] <bazhang> still is kmix
[11:12] <ikonia> gnomefreak: thats the point - it "can" so if possible align the desktops
[11:12] <gnomefreak> why im asking in kubuntu-devel
[11:12] <ikonia> any feedback ?
[11:13] <gnomefreak> its arts for kde3 and phonon (xine) for kde4
[11:14] <ikonia> arts !
[11:14] <ikonia> that was what I was thinking of
[11:14] <gnomefreak> me too when i said kimx :(
[11:15] <Tm_T> haha
[11:20] <gnomefreak> keep eye on fsckbuntu in #ubuntu
[11:21] <bazhang> watching
[11:21] <gnomefreak> thanks
[11:21] <gnomefreak> he got a bit offtopic and ive seen way too many people start that way and channel instigates him to continue
[11:22] <bazhang> wow that is fast
[11:26] <gnomefreak> he will continue im sure of it
[11:28] <bazhang> but at least in -ot now
[11:28] <gnomefreak> he was warned enough
[11:29] <gnomefreak> he looks like he will push the topic in offtopic
[11:29] <Gary> I'm there
[11:30]  * gnomefreak there too but i get up from pc without warning this early in morning
[11:32] <ikonia> need smoke ?
[11:33] <gnomefreak> no just getting house work done and trying to wake up since 4am its now 6:30 and im not quite there yet
[11:34] <gnomefreak> oh and i have a table to build sometime today
[11:34] <bazhang> :)
[11:36] <Myrtti> eeeeep, I blogged
[11:36] <ikonia> enough now, just boot him in offtopic
[11:36] <ikonia> it's clear he's there for no good reason
[11:38]  * ikonia nudges gary
[11:39] <ikonia> Gary: cough cough
[11:39] <ikonia> ooh
[11:39] <ikonia> well done
[11:41] <ikonia> heads up on nick change on fsckubuntu
[11:41] <Myrtti> stupid planet
[11:41] <Myrtti> UPDATE
[11:41] <ikonia> 711:41 -!- fsckbuntu is now known as penguino
[11:42] <gnomefreak> oh god
[11:42] <ikonia> Gary: nice
[11:42] <gnomefreak> i know that name
[11:44] <ikonia> ubuntu is homosexual in #defcosu
[11:44] <ikonia> defocus even
[11:44]  * bazhang waits for him to return to #ubuntu
[11:44] <ikonia> nah he's slating ubuntu in defocus at th emoment
[11:44] <bazhang> I'm a patient waiter :)
[11:45] <Gary> yay, I love trolls (not)
[11:46] <ikonia> Gary: your up staff member
[11:46] <Gary> well the cute ones with pink hair are nice
[11:46] <ikonia> Gary: are you in defocus ?
[11:47] <Gary> yeah
[11:47] <ikonia> just saw you
[11:47] <ikonia> you act as I type
[11:48] <Gary> mind control :p
[12:06] <Myrtti> dumdidumdi
[12:13]  * jussi01 sighs deeply...
[12:13] <Myrtti> don't sigh, hum instead
[12:13]  * Myrtti huggles everyone
[12:13] <jussi01> I think Im very happy that there was nothing really important on my windows partition
[12:14] <Myrtti> you "encrypted" it?
[12:14] <jussi01> since hp's recovery partition decided to format and reinstall with out so much as an are you sure, after I accidentally hit f11
[12:15] <jussi01> now I just got to find a way of getting grub back without a ubuntu cd...
[12:15] <Hobbsee> ikonia: not there, why?
[12:15] <Hobbsee> ikonia: besides, i don't use kubuntu anymore
[12:16]  * jussi01 cries, I want my kubuntu back!!
[12:17] <Hobbsee> no kubuntu for you!  not yours!
[12:18]  * jussi01 cries in the corner
[12:22] <ikonia> Hobbsee: really, didn't realise you'd stopped kubuntu
[12:23]  * Hobbsee stopped when gutsy was released....
[12:23] <ikonia> surprised
[12:23] <ikonia> still, you know your kubuntu, you would have answered the arts questions quick
[12:23] <Hobbsee> i knew kde3 relatively well, yes.
[12:23] <Hobbsee> not arts, so much
[12:23] <ikonia> the question was "what was the name of the sound server/system in kde"
[12:23] <ikonia> you'd have got that quick
[12:24] <ikonia> couldn't remember the name, kept thinking asound
[12:25] <Hobbsee> ah
[12:25] <Hobbsee> artsd.
[12:25]  * Myrtti slaps her forehead and says doh.
[12:25] <Myrtti> move along
[12:32] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: how hard is it to set it to use PA afaik PA needs alsa but cant remember if it NEEDS it or if it can use arts
[12:32] <gnomefreak> in kubuntu
[12:32] <Hobbsee> no idea, sorry
[12:33] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: never be sorry ;) i can figure it out once kde4-desktop gets fixed
[12:33] <Hobbsee> heh
[12:34] <gnomefreak> oh its fixed
[12:34] <gnomefreak> sweet
[12:35] <gnomefreak> amarok 2 isnt here yet
[12:38] <gnomefreak> oh Hobbsee i was told to ask you how to fix sound in intrepid (someone from motu told me) something about it using something different
[12:39] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: search for my latest post on the forums.
[12:39] <gnomefreak> ok thanks
[15:11] <bazhang> bot in #ubuntu wrecky
[15:12] <Hobbsee> bazhang: what's it doing?
[15:13] <bazhang> if you mention 'google <word>' it returns a description
[15:13] <Hobbsee> (it's not responding to help, and is coming back as mirc)
[15:13] <bazhang> think it belongs to minhaaj
[15:14] <Hobbsee> strange - it hasn't replied.
[15:15] <bazhang> Hobbsee, it is the !google > nick
[15:15] <Hobbsee> ahhhh
[15:16] <Hobbsee> bazhang: why do you think that?  (i've not been there for long)
[15:17] <bazhang> minhaaj seems to non-legit
[15:17] <bazhang> err too
[15:19] <Hobbsee> either way, he apperas not to be able to read.
[15:19] <bazhang> or t-rolling
[15:19] <Hobbsee> can't tell
[15:20] <Hobbsee> appears to be a clueless user on my scale so far, but i've not been watching for long
[15:20] <bazhang> sorry not be around during the daytime lately; have been very busy
[15:25] <Hobbsee> so's everyone, it seems
[15:28] <nalioth> unauthorized bots need to be gone
[16:27] <bazhang> is metabot authorized?
[16:31] <nalioth> what's it doing?
[16:31] <nalioth> did you ask nickserv about it, bazhang?
[16:31] <bazhang> just mistabbed and metabot came up
[16:32] <nalioth> i suspect it's authorized
[16:32] <bazhang> heh LjL
[17:17] <Seeker`_> !logs
[17:18] <Seeker`_> jussi01: i was away visiting people - my net access over the next few months will be a bit hit and miss
[17:18] <Myrtti> *yawn*
[17:18] <Seeker`_> lo Myrtti
[17:18] <Myrtti> lo Seeker`_
[18:06]  * Myrtti blinks
[18:08] <Seeker`> ?
[18:08] <Myrtti> meaow.
[18:08] <Seeker`> lo
[18:08] <Seeker`> how be?
[18:09] <Myrtti> I seem to have failed in my shopping today
[18:09] <Tm_T> hi kids
[18:09] <Myrtti> I bought two cans of cola -- they do _not_ contain caffeine.
[18:09] <ikonia> where ?
[18:09] <ikonia> oops
[18:09] <ikonia> sorry I was on the wrong screen
[18:10] <Tm_T> Myrtti: cola without caffeine, er?
[18:10] <Myrtti> Tm_T: Laitilan Wirwoitusjuomatehdas - Rio cola
[18:11] <Tm_T> Myrtti: hmm, no caffeine? rellly?
[18:11] <Myrtti> rilly rilly
[18:11] <Tm_T> I'm speachless
[18:11] <Seeker`> lo ikonia
[18:12] <Seeker`> Myrtti: thats like buying a bottle of water with no water in it
[18:12] <ikonia> hello
[18:13] <Myrtti> it really tastes good though
[18:21] <TheSheep> it should be forbidden
[18:22] <TheSheep> so you have to pay extra for the caffeine?
[18:23] <Myrtti> silly
[18:24] <nalioth> cola w/o caffeine? what's the point of that?
[18:24] <Seeker`> nalioth: you synced mootbot logs recently?
[18:26] <ompaul> cola what's the point of that :)
[18:29] <Myrtti> http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/2639738438/
[18:30] <Myrtti> SEE!
[18:30] <Myrtti> (though it's only in Finnish and Swedish, sorry)
[18:31] <nalioth> Seeker`: sink what?
[18:31] <Seeker`> nalioth: the bot logs
[18:32] <Seeker`> nalioth: that it makes when people have meetings - you said something about setting up a script to do it once a day, but I got a complaint the other day that they hadn't been updated in > 1 week
[18:32] <nalioth> i really really would liketo find a way to get an scp script with my password in it
[18:32] <nalioth> Seeker`: i can cronjob it, but w/o a way to put my pass in it, it won't do any good
[18:33] <nalioth> dreamhost has something screwed up where my ssh key won't work
[18:33] <nalioth> shoud be updated
[18:34] <Myrtti> 20:33  magnetron> Myrtti, "contains no preservatives or caffeine"
[18:34] <Myrtti> :-P
[18:34] <Myrtti> pllöööööh
[18:34] <nalioth> Myrtti: sounds defective to me
[18:35] <Seeker`> nalioth: thanks
[19:33] <jimmygoon> May I ask why mibbit users are dumped into #ubuntu-proxy-users ?
[19:33] <Myrtti> because mibbit can be used as a way to abuse the IRC channels
[19:34] <jimmygoon> Myrtti: but mibbit passes an identifier that allows users to be banned/blocked
[19:34] <PriceChild> jimmygoon: instructions are given in that channel for accessing #ubuntu
[19:34] <jimmygoon> I know. I just don't understand the use of placing people in that channel only to tell them to then rejoin #ubuntu
[19:35] <Myrtti> jimmygoon: and the amount of users that come from mibbit are so vast that it's easier to screen them before they abuse anything
[19:35] <jimmygoon> so there is some screening that goes on before giving access to #ubuntu?
[19:36] <PriceChild> yes
[19:36] <jimmygoon> okay then. I will just do as it says. Thanks for the information.
[19:36] <Myrtti> that was nice
[19:37] <Myrtti> I always like it when people act reasonable
[20:55] <Fryguy--> #ubuntu - 15:56:27    Fred777| http://vtunnel.com/FOR SALE BRAND NEW APPLE IPHONE16GB UNLOCKED PHONES FOR $250USD EMAIL US IF YOU HAVE INTERESTED IN BUYING IT<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:58] <Pici> ...
[21:16] <ikonia> fryguy is still in #ubuntu
[21:16] <nalioth> ikonia: yes, he is.
[21:16] <ikonia> ooh, he was reporting fred
[21:16] <nalioth> is there a problem?
[21:17] <ikonia> no
[21:17] <ikonia> I miss-read what he typed and pici's reaction
[23:55] <maco> keep an eye on zelrikriando.  he's in #ubuntu-offtopic and has some attitude problems
[23:57] <maco> he's calling everything he dislikes "retarded"
[23:57] <jussi01> maco: eyeing :)
[23:58] <Seeker`> jussi01: o/
[23:58] <ikonia> always good to see people awake
[23:58] <jussi01> although /me doesnt have powahs there...
[23:59] <maco> yes you do...you just opped
[23:59] <jussi01> hehe
[23:59] <jussi01> nah,someone oppedme :D
[23:59] <Myrtti> that doesn't mean it's there by default


[06:21] <androidbruce> could anyone give me some advice on getting my songs to sync on my fresh installation? also is there a web interface to make sure I still have these songs?
[06:22] <androidbruce> ok i just found the interface
[06:22] <androidbruce> online. how can I make these songs sync? i've signed in. but rhythmbox still says transferring to your ubuntu one storage
[11:16] <karni> hello world! wait.. that sounds familiar
[11:18] <Tm_T> no, never heard
[11:18] <karni> androidbruce: hey bruce. you can check the status of the sync daemon running: u1sdtool --status (alternatively: u1sdtool --waiting-content )
[11:29] <karni> beuno: aquarius: hey guys. I've got a question about conflicts - what if it so happens that modified date of a file on the phone is more recent, than a new version on the server (i.e. we've got a conflict)?
[11:30] <karni> beuno: aquarius: i'd prefer a simple solution for starters that we can improve later. things are kinda growing around the sync stuff pretty fast.
[11:31] <aquarius> karni, not sure. that's a syncdaemon protocol question, that one
[11:32] <aquarius> verterok's your man for that
[11:32] <karni> aquarius: ack
[12:06] <wolki> hi, I sometimes get conflicts with files that were deleted/replaced from the disk but not from the server. any ideas?
[12:08] <wolki> most often when generating pdf plots from r scripts that I then use in latex; sometimes the files get written very rapidly because i need to change the parameters slightly. it's very annoying because it breaks the build of the final document
[12:10] <wolki> I'm only editing these files from one computer at a time, so it can't be real conflicts
[12:35] <verterok> aquarius, karni: hi
[12:35] <verterok> karni: sync based on dates sounds fragile, that's why the protocol is based on hashes
[12:37] <rye> wolki, what version of ubuntu & ubuntuone-client you are running?
[12:44] <wolki> rye, ubuntu version is maverick
[12:44] <wolki> ubuntuone-client is Version: 1.4.5-0ubuntu1
[12:58] <rye> wolki, could you please set ubuntuone-client to debug mode? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/Bugs - Running syncdaemon in debug mode ?
[12:59] <duanedesign> 'lo all
[13:05] <ralsina> good morning everyone
[13:40] <androidbruce> what does this mean, dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ChildExited: Process /usr/lib/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone-syncdaemon exited with status 1
[13:41] <verterok> androidbruce: ubuntuone-syncdaemon crashed while dbus-activation was starting it
[13:42] <androidbruce> this must be why my music isn't coming back after a new installation
[13:42] <androidbruce> any ideas on how to resolve this issue
[13:43] <androidbruce> 64bit ubuntu
[13:45] <wolki> rye, I enabled the debug and restarted the daemon
[13:45] <wolki> now the deleted file has reappeared
[13:46] <rye> wolki, ok, after you notice that syncdaemon marks files as conflict - could you please open a bug report attaching syncdaemon.log and poke me or facundobatista with its number
[13:59] <wolki> rye: ok, I will, when it happens again
[14:00] <rye> wolki, thanks!
[14:01] <verterok> androidbruce: could you pastebin the logs? ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon.log
[14:03] <rye> androidbruce, or, alternatively could you please run /usr/lib/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone-syncdaemon directly from terminal?
[14:03] <karni> verterok: aha, thank you. so when the content of the file changes locally, and it so happens that server serves a new modified copy, I assume I shoult '.conflict' the local copy?
[14:04] <verterok> karni: yes...I think. syncdaemon tracks changes to local files, not sure if it's doable to do that on android :/
[14:05] <karni> verterok: it is, but we don't want the service to run all the time. thus, I thought I could peek on the value of modification date, and if it's different then the one stored as a meta, that would mean it's been modified.
[14:06] <karni> verterok: additionally, I can always check if the hash has changed (which would give the answer to question if it has really changed, or the modification time has just been bumped)
[14:07] <karni> verterok: I've been reading about FileShelf. You build dictionaries of mappings of mdid<->paths on every start of computer?
[14:08] <verterok> karni: let me think about that...I'm not entirely sure about a final solution :(
[14:08] <verterok> karni: FileShelf is the "old" metadata storage, yes we build a index on each startup
[14:09] <verterok> karni: now we have a new metadata storage backend, it's called tritcask
[14:09] <karni> verterok: Thanks. Let me rephrase again what I meant so we're on the same wavelength.
[14:09] <verterok> karni: which is a *lot* faster
[14:09] <karni> verterok: Oh.. i've seen tritcask here and there too.
[14:11] <karni> verterok:  So. Let's imagine a shared file is being modified by two of the clients, phone and a PC. The PC version gets to the servers first, and just while phone tries to upload -- it gets a response that oldHash is wrong, so it can't upload. It also receives a delta with the new file. Thus, I should .conflict one of those. Question is which one.
[14:12] <verterok> karni: the one that upload first wins
[14:13] <verterok> karni: there is an extra case there, what if both clients did the same change to the file? :)
[14:14] <verterok> karni: should it be marked as a conflict?
[14:14] <karni> verterok: Right. Oh, that's also true.
[14:15] <karni> verterok: I think that level of detail would extend blueprints on my schedule for next 2 months at least o_O (crap..)
[14:15] <verterok> karni: yes, that's what syncdaemon is all about
[14:15] <karni> Ok, I should stick to 'first upload wins' rule
[14:16] <karni> verterok: yeah, __lucio__ start's it with a comment "Here is the magic" or something along that line hahah
[14:19] <verterok> karni: what about let the user do the sync logic? hehe
[14:19] <karni> verterok: hahahahah that's quite smart ;D!
[14:19] <verterok> karni: is the client going to do autosync? or is always user triggered?
[14:20] <karni> verterok: it already does the sync periodically (but that can be turned off, and then is user-triggered)
[14:20] <karni> verterok: the frequency is set by the user (the least is 5 min I think, next 30 min, [...], daily, and off [manual] )
[14:21] <verterok> karni: and what about a setting to replace client files with whatever the server has?
[14:21] <karni> verterok: I think I'd do it like that for time being (which will save much effort ATM).
[14:22] <verterok> karni: something like the funambol app, server -> client,  client -> server or merge/sync
[14:23] <karni> verterok: That's worth considering, indeed.
[14:45] <karni> I just realized how dumb is the Dropbox app o_O It's certainly got the looks. But hey, it doesn't do sync at all. It's just an android-native door to downloading files.
[14:46] <karni> You know what verterok, dropbox just overwrites the files on the server, even if they have been changed (/me laughs).
[14:47] <verterok> karni: heh, maybe that's a good enough first step as the sync logic...but I'm not the right one to make that call :)
[14:48] <karni> verterok: it's cool that we've got the "old hash not correct" thing.
[14:48]  * karni back to work
[16:20] <karni> beuno: Have you had a chance to test the fav item redownloading(sync) ?
[16:20] <beuno> karni, no!  can I have an apk  :)
[16:21] <karni> beuno: I'll provide the one from 2 days ago, as I'm having trouble testing periodic sync today and wrapping it up :< (slowdowns.. tried staging, failed)
[16:21] <karni> beuno: So yes, just a sec.
[16:25] <karni> beuno: @ priv
[16:27] <__lucio__> karni, whats wrong with staging?
[16:27] <karni> __lucio__: hey lucio. I'm basically stuck after the auth dance. logs are quite silet about that :<
[16:28] <karni> __lucio__: I'll try to squeeze more juice out of the logcat (used for android logging as you may know), maybe that'll give us more info
[16:29] <__lucio__> karni, you are right, staging is ~dead
[16:30] <karni> __lucio__: oh..
[16:30] <__lucio__> mmh.. ~dead could be aprox-dead or not-dead
[16:30] <__lucio__> but i meant that it looks dead
[16:30]  * karni chuckles
[16:51] <alecu> facundobatista, when you have a minute, can you please let me know where should that new syncdaemon signal should live on?
[16:55] <__lucio__> karni, staging is back. hopefully it will stay like that for a while :) let me know if it breaks, it shouldnt, but we dont have alarms for it.
[16:57] <karni> __lucio__: thank you, I'll give it a try.
[16:57] <facundobatista> alecu, sí, did you merge my branch?
[16:59] <alecu> facundobatista, lp:~facundo/ubuntuone-client/unleash-the-queues-3 ?
[17:01] <facundobatista> alecu, sí
[17:02] <alecu> facundobatista, done
[17:03] <alecu> facundobatista, I'm looking at the diff right now at https://code.launchpad.net/~facundo/ubuntuone-client/unleash-the-queues-3/+merge/46281
[17:04] <facundobatista> alecu, ubuntuone/syncdaemon/action_queue.py, lines #448 and 466
[17:08] <facundobatista> alecu, you have to change that, and also the handler in ubuntuone/platform/linux/dbus_interface.py line 822
[17:08] <facundobatista> alecu, the number lines are not in the diff, but in real file
[17:08] <alecu> facundobatista, that's great. What would be better: adding a flag to the SYS_QUEUE_CHANGED meaning that the command was added or removed... or sending two different events for that?
[17:09] <facundobatista> alecu, I'd send two
[17:09] <alecu> facundobatista, send two different messages there, right?
[17:09] <alecu> not two messages in a row
[17:10] <alecu> let's say  SYS_QUEUE_ADDED and  SYS_QUEUE_REMOVED
[17:10] <facundobatista> exactly
[17:10] <alecu> facundobatista, ^ and we would remove all references to SYS_QUEUE_CHANGED
[17:10] <facundobatista> alecu, yes, it disappears
[17:11] <alecu> facundobatista, ok, it does not look complicated. nessita, what do you think? ^^^
[17:11] <karni> verterok: __lucio__: With staging, I get http://paste.ubuntu.com/554082/ . fs-1 is doing well ATM, so I'll stick with it. But in the evenings, when things go slow, I'd like to use staging. verterok: Would I have to change the createSocket to handle InetAddress, or passing that IP as a String is just fine?
[17:13] <verterok> karni: you need to use a token available in staging
[17:13] <verterok> karni:looks like it's working passing the IP as string, right?
[17:14] <karni> verterok: __lucio__ told me the regular token is fine. But no problem, I'll change the oauth to aim at staging.one.ubuntu.com
[17:14] <karni> verterok: well it starts authentication, so it looks like, yup.
[17:17] <verterok> karni: if you get a new token for the test, it will not be in the staging db
[17:18] <karni> verterok: I fetched the token from staging.one.. and it authenticated, but it's seriously stuck on onClientSetup (which performs setClientCaps)
[17:18] <nessita> alecu: I was AFK getting some tea, I'll read the backlog
[17:18] <karni> verterok: let me look into the code
[17:19] <karni> verterok: it's stuck on final Deferred d = setCaps(Arrays.asList(caps)).getDeferred(); while using staging.
[17:20] <nessita> alecu, facundobatista: agreed on having 2 events, and yes, should be simple
[17:20] <verterok> karni: the code is the same as production...
[17:20] <verterok> __lucio__: do you know if there are any problems with staging?
[17:20] <alecu> nessita, ok, I'll tackle it.
[17:21] <karni> verterok: Please have a look here (it'll take you 30 sec) http://paste.ubuntu.com/554087/
[17:22] <__lucio__> verterok, we had, its working now.
[17:22] <verterok> karni: the code looks ok
[17:22] <karni> verterok: __lucio__: I don't want to bother you guys. I'll settle with fs-1. Hopefully things won't get slow [in the evenings] in the future.
[17:23] <karni> verterok: __lucio__: Thanks for your efforts!
[17:24] <alecu> nessita, I've added the bug for the cmdline option to open u1cp in a given tab: #702968
[17:25] <alecu> hmmm... bug #702968
[17:25] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 702968 in ubuntuone-control-panel "add command line option to open in a given tab (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/702968
[17:28] <nessita> alecu: awesome, thanks!
[17:29] <alecu> nessita, I'm getting credentials errors when running tests on u1client trunk: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/554091/
[17:29] <alecu> nessita, perhaps it's due to me not having an updated u1ssoc?
[17:30] <nessita> alecu: it shouldn't be
[17:30] <nessita> alecu: ar eyou running trunk?
[17:30] <nessita> are*
[17:30] <alecu> hmmm.... I'm getting the exact same error when pointing PYTHONPATH to u1ssoc trunk
[17:31] <alecu> nessita, yes, both u1client trunk and u1ssoc trunk
[17:31] <alecu> nessita, those tests run fine if I just run them with ./contrib/test -t, but they fail when run with "make check"
[17:32] <nessita> alecu: give me one sec
[17:32] <alecu> nessita, no problem, this is not blocking me.
[17:33] <alecu> nessita, I'll try running those on my natty vm (currently testing on maverick)
[17:35] <nessita> alecu: I'm back, Jason wanted to ask about the bug of syncdaemon prompting the user for login
[17:35] <alecu> nessita, no prob.
[17:35] <nessita> alecu: so, I think you need to increse the timeout located at: tests/credentials/test_credentials.py:165
[17:36] <nessita> alecu: can you set something like 4 seconds and re run?
[17:36] <nessita> is a system load issue...
[17:36] <alecu> sure, I'll try that.
[17:37] <karni> Question: When is SYS_USER_CONNECT emitted? (apart from when user clicks the 'connect' button)
[17:39] <nessita> karni: is also emitted if the user has the setting autoconnect set to True (default since natty)
[17:39] <karni> nessita: So it's also emited on computer start (if autoconnect=True), is that right?
[17:39] <karni> 'computer start' heh.. sounded so unprofressional
[17:40] <nessita> karni: is not 'at computer start' but 'at syncdaemon start', that can be a different time
[17:40] <karni> nessita: right, all's clear. thank you :)
[17:41] <nessita> :-)
[17:45]  * karni is getting hooked more every day
[17:48] <nessita> karni: share some!
[17:48] <nessita> :-P
[17:49] <karni> nessita: I'm just excited to finally (at least _start_trying_) to implement proper queues. Things have been a little ad-hoc, but the complexity is increasing in such pace, that I need much more resonable handling of things.
[17:49] <karni> nessita: And the state machine diagrams and such of syncdaemon, of the queues, are really useful. Although I can't directly port that (becase we're running in a totally different type of environment).
[17:50] <nessita> karni: right. Are you aware we're unifying the queues, right?
[17:50] <karni> nessita: Could you elaborate on that?
[17:50]  * karni things he might not know what you know that you know ;)
[17:50] <karni> *thinks
[17:52] <nessita> karni: so, syncdaemon right now process meta data and content data. And those 2 go to different queues: a meta queue and a content queue
[17:53] <nessita> karni: facundobatista is working bery hard on having a unified queue, both for meta and content
[17:53] <karni> nessita: correc
[17:53] <karni> *correct (arghh.. loosing letters)
[17:53] <karni> oh
[17:53] <nessita> karni: so if you need something from that, or if you depend on having 2 queues, you need to speak with facundobatista ASAP
[17:53] <alecu> nessita, the timeout change fixed the tests
[17:53] <alecu> nessita, I upped it to 10, just for my tests.
[17:53] <nessita> karni: to see what you can do, since the queues being unified is something that it will be done
[17:53] <alecu> nessita, should I commit my branch with this value?
[17:54] <karni> nessita: as long as I'm on totally different platform, I don't think it matters. But'll I definitely talk to him
[17:54] <nessita> alecu: yes please. Less that 10 will not work for you? such as 5?
[17:54] <nessita> karni: aweosme
[17:54] <nessita> awesome*
[17:54] <karni> facundobatista: you have just a moment to say what adventages does the unified queue bring?
[17:54] <alecu> nessita, well, it would depend on how much load my system has :-)
[17:54] <nessita> right
[17:54] <nessita> ok, leave it 10
[17:55] <facundobatista> karni, it's not an unified queue, it's just a pool of commands: all running in parallel, everything is much faster (because of not waiting roundtrips to server)
[17:56] <karni> facundobatista: Can I please see the sources? (Any documentation/state diagrams would be also really awesome to see.)
[17:58] <facundobatista> karni, there's a branch: lp:~facundo/ubuntuone-client/unleash-the-queues-3
[17:58] <karni> I'm asking everybody so many questions I'm starting to feel guilty.
[17:58] <karni> Thank you.
[17:58] <facundobatista> karni, the change is huge, the benefit is that it's simpler now
[17:58]  * karni nods
[17:59] <karni> That's awesome facundobatista :)
[18:11] <erkan^> how delete I all contacts for adressbook ?
[18:15] <erkan^> I can not found "delete" by one.ubuntu.com :(
[18:15] <alecu> thisfred, ralsina, nessita, everybody else: can you please review this? https://code.launchpad.net/~alecu/ubuntuone-client/status-listener/+merge/46303
[18:15] <beuno> erkan^, there's no "delete all" for contacts on the web ui
[18:15]  * ralsina looks
[18:16] <erkan^> and one delete ?
[18:16] <erkan^> one contact
[18:16] <beuno> erkan^, sure
[18:16] <beuno> open the contact, and there's a trash can
[18:17] <beuno> erkan^, one trick you could use to delete them all
[18:17] <beuno> is to merge them all into one
[18:17] <beuno> and then delete that one
[18:18] <erkan^> i go see
[18:21] <alecu> nessita, is it fine for magicicada to die when using u1client trunk?
[18:22] <karni> facundobatista: Is it possible to summarize changes introduced in your branch, concerning the queues, in few sentences? It'll take some time for me to go through all the diffs. Just conceptually and generally, what has changed.
[18:22] <alecu> nessita, it cant find sdtools: from ubuntuone.syncdaemon.tools import SyncDaemonTool
[18:22] <erkan^> thank you for a feedback, beuno
[18:22] <facundobatista> karni, did that in the merge proposal
[18:22] <karni> oh! thanks
[18:28] <karni> facundobatista: Sounds like great changes. I'll jump into the source now. PS You might consider removing docs/states_queues.svg (or even better, assign someone to make new diagram)
[18:28] <facundobatista> karni, I have a note to fix that
[18:28] <karni> facundobatista: cool
[18:29] <nessita> alecu: what version do you have installed?
[18:29] <nessita> alecu: 0.3.0 should work fine, except for latests changes that facundobatista added
[18:29] <alecu> nessita, I've just updated magicicada to the latest packaged version, and it keeps failing.
[18:30] <alecu> nessita, oh, I think 0.2.0 was installed
[18:30] <alecu> nessita, anyway: don't worry right now.
[18:30] <nessita> alecu: 0.3.0 will defininetly work in latest officila SD. THe one in trunk, I can't say
[18:43] <ralsina> alecu: aprobada
[18:43] <karni> ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone/syncdaemon/docs/state_manager.svg still includes server_rescan
[18:43] <nessita> karni: as far as I know server rescan is a valid state
[18:44] <karni> oh sorry
[18:44] <karni> nessita: I thought generations have changed that
[18:47] <alecu> ralsina, gracias! thisfred approved it also.
[18:47] <alecu> so now it's on its way to trunk.
[18:57] <erkan^> I have a problem :(
[19:12] <alecu> rye, still around?
[19:15] <alecu> rye, well, if you see this... happy birthday!
[19:15] <rye> alecu, yep
[19:15] <rye> alecu, thanks :)
[19:15] <rye> erkan^, ?
[19:16] <erkan^> i have deleted adresbook by evolution (group: ubuntu one), aftern i go restart evolution and ubuntu one for adresbook doesn't sync, rye
[19:18] <rye> erkan^, erm, could you please provide more details as to how you removed the addressbook?
[19:20] <erkan^> I had remove an adresbook (group Ubuntu One) in Evolution. I went restart Evolution and a sync between Ubuntu One and adressbook Evolution, but I don't see contacts
[19:21] <erkan^> and one.ubuntu.com I see contacts
[19:21] <erkan^> How can that :/
[19:22] <karni> facundobatista: May I ask a tiny question about naming conventions? What does SYS_ stand for in, say, SYS_USER_CONNECT ?
[19:23] <karni> facundobatista: I can imagine it's 'system'. Just wondering why (e.g. user_connect can be invoked by user action, when he clicks the Connect button)
[19:24] <erkan^> do you understand my question, rye ?
[19:33] <facundobatista> karni, we used the generic SYS for system when the event didn't belong clearly to any SyncDaemon node :p
[19:33] <karni> facundobatista: thank you
[19:41] <rye> erkan left :( i've just tested removal of the addressbook
[21:10] <ralsina> dobey: are you making a release now?
[21:11] <dobey> no, trunk is broken
[21:11] <ralsina> dobey: that's why I asked, really, to stop you if needed :-)
[21:17] <dobey> hrmm. and it looks like building newer rhythmbox on lucid might be a pain, because it requires new stuff not in lucid too
[21:17] <dobey> perhaps should just delete the nightlies/stable of rbox store on lucid :-/
[22:15] <karni> Bitcask is cool. I imagine tritcask is even better.
[22:19] <verterok> karni: not better, just a bit different :)
[22:19] <alecu> nessita, dobey: pynotify is a blocking library!
[22:19] <alecu> nessita, dobey: that means we will probably end up calling DBus directly.
[22:20] <alecu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/703100
[22:20] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 703100 in ubuntuone-client "pynotify is a non-asynchronous library (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[22:20] <karni> verterok: uhm :) What is a 'marker' ? (something related to uuids that you guys use, or an empty interface..)
[22:20] <karni> verterok: I'm studying event_queue.py source atm
[22:20] <karni> verterok: I can ask facundo if you're busy
[22:21] <verterok> alecu: you can make it work with twisted ;)
[22:21] <alecu> verterok, yeah: calling it in a thread.
[22:21] <verterok> karni: a marker is a placeholder of a node_id we are waiting for
[22:21] <alecu> verterok, but we don't want that lib running inside syncdaemon.
[22:21] <karni> verterok: neat, thanks!
[22:21] <nessita> alecu: can you please check with neil? he ensures everything is non blocking
[22:21] <verterok> karni: mkdir foo/bar will create two directories
[22:22] <nessita> alecu: thought maybe he was just talking about libunity
[22:22] <alecu> nessita, probably.
[22:22] <nessita> alecu: he did ensure that libunity will not be blocking and that dbus API is not guaranteed to be trustable (ie ti will change a lot)
[22:23] <verterok> karni: bar needs to wait for the foo node_id
[22:23]  * karni nods
[22:23] <alecu> nessita, I'm just saying that I'm looking at the libnotify C code, and it says so very clearly: "/* TODO: make this nonblocking */"
[22:24] <nessita> alecu: that's bad
[22:24] <karni> verterok: You guys together with facundobatista, __lucio__, Chipaca and others did such a great work. I'm so inspired with those sources!
[22:24] <verterok> karni: thanks :)
[22:24] <facundobatista> karni, thanks!
[22:24] <verterok> alecu: we use inotify, well pyinotify :)
[22:24] <verterok> alecu: oh, pynotify :p
[22:25] <karni> :) It's a real pleasure studying those sources.
[22:25] <alecu> verterok, yeah, not "i"
[22:25] <verterok> alecu: hehe
[22:25] <verterok> alecu: I have a question, are you going to make syncdaemon send UI notifications?
[22:25] <alecu> verterok, already did!
[22:26] <verterok> oh
[22:26] <alecu> verterok, https://code.launchpad.net/~alecu/ubuntuone-client/status-listener/+merge/46303
[22:26] <verterok> alecu: I assume it's inside ubuntuone/platform... right?
[22:26] <alecu> verterok, right
[22:27] <alecu> verterok, the aggregation logic will be platform independent, so mandel can make good use of it
[22:27] <alecu> verterok, but the actual showing of notifications will be platform dependent, and live there.
[22:28] <alecu> verterok, anyway, the only notified event for now is "file published/unpublished"
[22:28] <verterok> alecu: making syncdaemon contribute to the UI was avoided since ever :(
[22:28] <verterok> alecu: let me look at the code first :)
[22:28] <alecu> verterok, we have discussed exactly this feature with facundobatista this evening
[22:29] <alecu> verterok, and also, it will all live in a new separate listener
[22:29]  * karni is falling in love with Python
[22:29] <alecu> verterok, that way we can listen to *all* events without going thru dbus
[22:29] <alecu> verterok, and only use DBus after doing the aggregation (not there yet)
[22:30] <alecu> verterok, for instance, say SD finds 10000 new files
[22:30] <verterok> alecu: yes, I get it. but syncdaemon doing UI stuff... :(
[22:30] <verterok> alecu: anyway. it's there
[22:30] <alecu> verterok, by doing the aggregation in the listener, we can send thru DBus only one call to show a message saying "10000 new files are being uploaded"
[22:31] <verterok> alecu: but I'm missing something...wasn't zg going to be used for the notifications?
[22:31] <alecu> verterok, it seems you have not read the past few mails :-)
[22:31] <verterok> alecu: no, I've been head down in server stuff :)
[22:31] <karni> What is this url used for? platform/linux/dbus_interface.py :: PING_URL = "https://one.ubuntu.com/oauth/sso-finished-so-get-tokens/"
[22:32] <alecu> verterok, by querying zg we only get the info for the stuff that has already been done, but we have no way to measure what remains to be done. So we better do the aggregation in the listener.
[22:32] <verterok> alecu: the unity integration...etc mail?
[22:32] <alecu> verterok, exactly.
[22:32] <alecu> karni, it's used by u1ssoc
[22:33] <alecu> karni, ubuntu-single-sign-on-client
[22:33] <alecu> sorry, it's ussoc
[22:33] <karni> alecu: I see. But still, I might find it usefull writing SSO for Android. This url is pinged to check the tokens?
[22:34] <karni> no.. sorry. Looks like getting tokens.
[22:34] <verterok> alecu: yes, I see
[22:34] <karni> alecu: Ok, nvm now :) No need to bother you at the moment!
[22:34] <alecu> karni, when the user has finished registering his device with "Ubuntu Single Sign On", that url makes the "Ubuntu One" servers get those tokens from the "Ubuntu Single Sign On" servers.
[22:35] <alecu> karni, does it makes sense?
[22:35] <karni> alecu: yes it does :) thank you
[22:35] <alecu> karni, no problem. Let me know if you have trouble with that, because I used to work on it :-)
[22:36] <karni> alecu: Oh, good to know :) I've got the oauth in place, but will get back to it probably in Feb for more 'SSO' candy.
[22:36] <alecu> karni, cool
[22:36] <alecu> verterok, anyway: don't worry about SD doing UI stuff. We will only be doing DBus calls, and in a module that's optional and that can be turned off.
[22:36] <alecu> verterok, and SD is already doing DBus calls to get NetworkManager status.
[22:37] <verterok> alecu: I'm not worried
[22:37] <alecu> verterok, "don't be disgusted" :-)
[22:37] <verterok> alecu: :)
[22:37] <verterok> alecu: neither thatr
[22:38] <verterok> alecu: just puzzled about the mixup it's being added to it
[22:38] <verterok> :)
[22:39] <verterok> alecu: but np, if we have some performance problems, I know who to assing the bug ;) hehe
[22:39] <alecu> hahaha
[22:41] <verterok> alecu: :)
[22:52] <alecu> nessita, thisfred: care to do a trivial review? https://code.launchpad.net/~alecu/ubuntuone-client/fix-notification-parameters/+merge/46358
[22:53] <thisfred> no way
[22:54] <alecu> :-)
[22:54] <thisfred> I'm having niquiladas at the bar
[22:55] <nessita> alecu: sure!
[22:55] <nessita> giveme 2 secs that I owe some screenshots to mpt
[22:55] <alecu> nessita, thisfred: try running the syncdaemon in that branch, and publishing/unpublishing some file.
[22:56] <thisfred> oh I already approved it :)
[23:21] <dobey> well did a libubuntuone release anyway
[23:26] <thisfred> failed to build
[23:26] <thisfred> no nyquiladas for you!
[23:34] <dobey> nightlies failed, yes
[23:37] <dobey> le sigh
[23:51] <dobey> oh well
[23:51] <dobey> welcome to the end of the rally


[10:54] <cgriff> markjones: Ti yma?
[10:59] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[11:16] <cgriff> brobostigon: Mornin'
[11:16] <brobostigon> morning cgriff :)
[11:18] <cgriff> brobostigon: markjones and I are at Hacio'r Iaith :p
[11:18] <brobostigon> cgriff: yes, i saw both your tweets, :)
[11:19] <brobostigon> cgriff: any chance of a video and sound feed?
[11:21] <brobostigon> please.
[11:22] <cgriff> brobostigon: I don't know if there is one I am looking though
[11:22] <brobostigon> cgriff: ok, :)
[11:23] <cgriff> brobostigon: http://haciaith.com/
[11:23] <cgriff> 2nd post
[11:23] <cgriff> Oh no wait a moment
[11:23] <brobostigon> ok.
[11:24] <cgriff> I'm installing Flash to find out if that is indeed the stream
[11:24] <brobostigon> ok.
[11:25] <cgriff> brobostigon: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/hacio-r-iaith-2012#utm_campaign=synclickback&source=http://haciaith.com/&medium=10239804
[11:25] <brobostigon> phew, google tranlate built into chrome.
[11:25] <cgriff> Terrible picture
[11:25] <cgriff> For me at least
[11:25] <cgriff> And that is one of the rooms
[11:26] <cgriff> it appears that only one stream is available
[11:26] <brobostigon> ok, ohwell. let me look also.
[11:27] <cgriff> I'm in the studio with a session on Wales Web Council
[11:28] <brobostigon> you are right, and the sound isnt perticulerly good either.
[11:28] <brobostigon> ah.
[11:31] <brobostigon> cgriff: just saw the weather, you are getting snow this afternoon,
[11:31] <cgriff> Ah no :(
[11:32] <brobostigon> :(
[11:40]  * cgriff has found ttytter, rather good so far
[11:41] <brobostigon> ?
[11:41] <cgriff> TTYtter, Twitter client
[11:41] <brobostigon> ah,
[11:41] <brobostigon> which platform?
[11:43] <brobostigon> cgriff: i use seesmic on android, and then gwibber, when it works, on debian.
[11:43] <cgriff> Arch
[11:43] <brobostigon> ok.


[02:35] <Jucato> ryanakca: did you find the service menu?
[02:40] <LaserJock> anybody know if there's a good gpg agent for KDE?
[02:41] <LaserJock> I use seahorse in Gnome and for some reason it keeps wanting to show up in KDE too
[02:41] <Jucato> kgpg?
[02:43] <ScottK> LaserJock: I just use gpg-agent and pinentry-qt.
[02:45] <LaserJock> ScottK: doh, I always thought pinentry-qt had something to do with a qt frontend for pine
[02:45] <ScottK> Nope.
[02:45] <ScottK> Heh.
[02:45] <LaserJock> that's what I get for not looking at the description
[02:45] <LaserJock> pin-entry not pine-entry ;-)
[02:46] <ScottK> Yeah.
[02:46] <LaserJock> ScottK: does that work for ssh keys as well?
[02:46] <ScottK> No.  There's ssh-agent for that, IIRC.
[03:50] <LaserJock> has anybody been experiencing hard lockups in gutsy KDE?
[03:52] <ScottK> No.
[03:58] <LaserJock> hmm, I had two nasty ones last night
[03:58] <LaserJock> required some fsck on reboot
[03:59] <Hobbsee> greetings LaserJock!
[03:59] <Jucato> greetings Hobbsee!
[03:59] <LaserJock> hi Hobbsee
[03:59] <Hobbsee> hi Jucato!
[03:59] <Jucato> live long and prosper!
[03:59] <Jucato> :)
[04:29] <Hobbsee> wow, g-p-m is screwy
[04:46] <LaserJock> argg, gutsy KDE is quite unstable for me :(
[04:46] <LaserJock> maybe I need a reinstall
[09:30] <viviersf> Riddell ping
[09:31] <Jucato> he's gone for 2 weeks afaik
[09:50] <jeroenvrp> how can I close bugs in launchpad!?
[09:50] <jeroenvrp> or is that not possible
[09:51] <Jucato> fix released, fix committed, or invalid I think
[09:52] <jeroenvrp> Jucato: ok thanks
[09:52] <Jucato> #ubuntu-bugs might have more definite answers
[10:44] <_StefanS_> morning
[10:44] <Jucato> moin _StefanS_
[10:45] <_StefanS_> hey Jucato
[10:46] <Jucato> oooh pgquiles is in here :)
[10:47] <pgquiles> Jucato: hi
[10:47] <pgquiles> Jucato: am I so famous?
[10:47] <pgquiles> s/so/that
[10:47] <Tm_T> bah
[10:47] <Jucato> hahah! I wouldn't know. but I do remember you. :P
[12:10] <tseliot> hi, can anybody tell me how to embed Adept in my application, please?
[12:10] <tseliot> I know I can use this command with Synaptic:
[12:10] <tseliot> /usr/sbin/synaptic --hide-main-window --non-interactive --parent-window-id
[12:10] <tseliot> I would like to use Synaptic for GNOME and Adept for KDE
[12:11] <mhb> tseliot: adept-batch is the tool you seek
[12:11] <mhb> tseliot: IIRC adept-batch takes a apt-get like syntax -- adept-batch install, adept-batch remove and so on
[12:12] <tseliot> mhb: very interesting. Thanks!
[12:21] <larsivi> siretart: you sounded like you have some knowledge about the m1330 .. seems like I have no sound with gutsy?
[12:29] <larsivi> siretart: forget that, it's working just now at least
[12:38] <larsivi> hmm, but there seems to be hanging/latency involved when using sound ...
[12:49] <siretart> we noticed that there might be problems with sound after suspend
[12:50] <larsivi> hmm, I haven't used suspend yet
[12:57] <larsivi> siretart: all the sound control buttons at the top works with amarok, except the mute button (I get the message on screen though)
[01:11] <Lure> hi all
[01:11] <Lure> I have two new packages to test in my ppa:
[01:12] <Lure> 1. new kdepim snapshot (if no regression, we would upload it before StringFreeze)
[01:12] <kwwii> anyone here tried to update from feisty to gutsy?
[01:12] <Lure> 2. new libgphoto2 merged from debian (will go for UVF if it works for people)
[01:13] <Lure> if you are kdepim user of using digital camera programs to download photos, test would be appretiated
[01:13] <Lure> allee: ^^^
[01:14] <Lure> my ppa is here: https://launchpad.net/~lure/+archive
[01:46] <Jucato> am I the only one not being able to use any kde-guidance module in System Settings? I can only use them if I run them individually with kdesu
[01:47] <Jucato> I always get "Library files for "libpython2.5.so" not found in paths."
[01:52] <Lure> Jucato: works for me
[01:53] <Jucato> hm.. ok this is funny. if I start an individual module from the mini-CLI, I also get the python error. but if I start it from Konsole, it runs normally
[01:54] <stdin> Jucato: seems it needs python2.5-dev installed, you have that?
[01:55] <Jucato> but why?
[01:55] <stdin> I have no clue, but when i mv's the symlink it gave the error you got
[01:56] <Jucato> which symlink?
[01:56] <stdin> libpython2.5.so
[01:57] <stdin> /usr/lib/libpython2.5.so -> /usr/lib/libpython2.5.so.1 -> /usr/lib/libpython2.5.so.1.0
[01:57] <Jucato> ok now it works. thanks stdin
[01:57] <Jucato> but the bigger question now is why would it need a -dev package just to run it? :(
[01:58] <stdin> don't know, it really shouldn't
[01:58] <Jucato> yeah... I know it shouldn't either :(
[01:59] <Lure> stdin: you need to check with doko in #ubuntu-devel, he was changing this recently
[01:59] <Lure> stdin: some stuff was moved between regular and -dev package, maybe this is still not complete
[02:00] <Jucato> ah so it seems that /usr/lib/libpython2.5.so is the missing symlink, if python2.5-dev is not installed...
[02:01] <stdin> yep
[02:04] <Jucato> stdin: oh you asked already?
[02:04] <stdin> Jucato: yeah
[02:04] <Jucato> oh ok...
[03:12] <bobesponja> hey
[03:12] <bobesponja> is there a torrent for tribe5? can't find it
[03:12] <bobesponja> oopd ok, found it :)
[03:22] <Tonio_> hi all :)
[03:23] <Jucato> hi Tonio_!
[03:23] <Hobbsee> Tonio_!
[03:24] <Lure> hi Tonio_, Hobbsee!
[03:24] <Jucato> hi Lure, hi Hobbsee
[03:24] <Lure> can you test new kdepim snapshot and libgphoto2 new upstream release?
[03:24] <Lure> both are cnadidates for gutsy
[03:24] <Lure> they are in mmy ppa
[03:30] <nixternal> good morning kubuntuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
[03:30] <Jucato> gooooooooood morning vista!
[03:30] <Jucato> er... I meant nixternal
[03:30] <nixternal> don't make me hack you with my vista box!
[03:30] <nixternal> it is 1337
[03:31] <Jucato> ugh! that would be terrible indeed :P
[03:32] <ScottK> nixternal: I heard you were working on a Vista pbuilder how-to.
[03:33] <manchicken> Re bug #109700, is Marco Maini troubleshooting or just fixing?  It looks like he's troubleshooting it, but he's assigning them to himself...  Strange.
[03:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 109700 in adept "Adept Manager and Adept Updater don't use PROXY SETTINGS when checking for distro updates" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109700
[03:33] <Hobbsee> manchicken: usually troubleshooting
[03:33] <Hobbsee> it's a habit of the bugsquad to say "i'm assigning to myself, as i'm troubleshooting this one"
[03:33] <Hobbsee> of course, you're welcome to hijack, to fix the thing
[03:34] <manchicken> Well I don't think we ever decided how we wanted to fix this one.  We've slated it for discussion before, but I don't recall ever actually sorting out a fix.
[03:34] <nixternal> hahah, vista pbuilder how-to..that is funny right there, I don't care who you are
[03:35] <Jucato> lol
[03:35] <manchicken> nixternal: For someone who hates vista so much, you seem to talk about it a lot :P
[03:35] <Jucato> the more you hate, the more you love :)
[03:35] <manchicken> Hobbsee: My solution to this problem would be a little python feller who popped up and changed your apt proxy settings :)
[03:35] <Hobbsee> manchicken: :)
[03:36] <manchicken> Hobbsee: But I'm not sure if the way we want to solve it is through apt or not.
[03:36] <manchicken> I can't think of a better way to fix it though.
[03:36] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[03:37] <Jucato> btw, the env/ and share/ are back, but the home/ is gone?
[04:27] <bddebian> Heya
[06:31] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee, Jucato: Hiya
[06:32] <Hobbsee> hi DaSkreech
[06:32] <DaSkreech> how are you?
[06:32] <DaSkreech> I know Jucato is hot
[06:32] <Jucato> O.o
[06:32] <DaSkreech> all the young ladies are checking him out :)
[06:32] <Jucato> -_-
[06:41] <claydoh> night Jucato!
[06:45] <DaSkreech> Night
[07:43] <allee> Lure: bad news about libgphoto2 2.4.0 (with cannon powershot A40).   gphoto2 --auto-detect -L  works once, next try hangs after autodetecting :(  2 x Ctrl-c to hard abort.  Then it works again, 2nd hangs. etc.   I see same in digikam :(
[07:46] <allee> Lure: Downgrading libgphoto to 2.3.1-5ubuntu1 and hang on 2nd try is gone and works as expected again
[07:53] <manchicken> Would anybody be opposed to my fix for the proxy settings issue in Adept be a Python proggy that manipulates the apt settings?
[07:55] <manchicken> DaSkreech: Any reason why?
[07:55] <manchicken> :)
[07:56] <manchicken> I think it should be a program that is accessible outside of adept, too, so that people could manage their apt settings outside of adept.  And if there's already such a program, I vote for using that instead of writing a new one :)
[07:56] <DaSkreech> I don't like snakes or Comedy shows?
[07:56] <manchicken> DaSkreech: But snakes love you, and comedy shows love everybody.
[07:57] <ScottK> manchicken: Are the setting Adept settings or apt settings?
[07:57] <manchicken> ScottK: Well, the way that libapt works, I'm thinking that the only real solution would be to modify apt settings.
[07:57] <manchicken> ScottK: If you've got other ideas, however, I'm all ears.
[07:58] <manchicken> Wow, I apologize... that was a very poorly constructed sentence.
[07:58] <ScottK> Then I think that whatever you do would have to be part of the apt package as one package may not modify settings of another package.
[07:58] <manchicken> ScottK: Even if they're system settings?
[07:58] <ScottK> I guess that's the real question is where do the settings live?
[07:58] <manchicken> I suppose that makes sense :)
[07:59] <manchicken> ScottK: It'd be the apt configs for sure.
[07:59] <manchicken> ScottK: I'm wondering if we could make it a package like apt-settings or something like that.
[08:00] <manchicken> Because we have several instances where a directly-related package modifies the settings of another program.
[08:00] <ScottK> AFAIK by policy they aren't supposed to do that.
[08:00] <manchicken> Such as compiz, KDE, etc.
[08:00] <ScottK> There is a way aroung it ...
[08:01] <ScottK> Make a command line script (let's call it apt-proxyconf) that changes the apt proxy setting.
[08:01] <ScottK> Make that script part of the apt package.
[08:02] <ScottK> Then the adept postinst or whatever you want can take input from the user and call that script to change the actual setting.
[08:02] <ScottK> Essentially the apt-proxyconf script serves as a public API to other packages for the setting that can be documented and stable.
[08:03] <ScottK> Does that make sense?
[08:04] <manchicken> Would a python package be enough on that you think?
[08:04] <manchicken> BTW, we just got the baby's kubuntu body-suit thingy via UPS :)
[08:04] <manchicken> It's cute.
[08:04] <ScottK> A python script could certainly do it, but it'd have to be part of the apt package.
[08:05] <manchicken> Who would I have to lobby for that?
[08:05] <manchicken> Because IIRC, Synaptic has this same problem... or does it?
[08:05] <ScottK> mvo I think.  I'd look at the apt debian/changelog and see who's been uploading it.
[08:05] <manchicken> If libapt were documented.... :)
[08:05] <ScottK> Dunno.  I've never used Gnome.
[08:05] <ScottK> python-apt is documented though ...
[08:05] <ScottK> Or whatever it's called.
[08:08] <manchicken> Oooh, python-apt already has config interfaces.
[09:34] <Lure> allee: then probably not worth the pain to upgrade
[09:34] <Lure> allee: thanks for testing
[10:32] <marseillai> hi
[10:32] <marseillai> i've just download this svn : https://movida.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/movida/trunk/tmp/ it's a qt4 apps and i don't know how to build it... anyone could help me ?
[10:34] <marseillai> oki found
[10:35] <marseillai> sorry for the stupid question
[11:19] <allee> Lure: kdepim in ubuntu repo shows same prob with the huge imap folder.  So no regression in your pkgs
[11:20] <Lure> allee: good to know & thanks for testing
[11:20] <allee> Lure: np.
[11:20] <Lure> allee: will probably push new kdepim tommorow through Tonio_/Hobbsee
[11:20] <allee> argl.  Strigi back at 100% cpu without disk io :(
[11:27] <Tonio_> Lure: ping me no pb
[11:27] <Lure> allee: I think strigi has some infinite loop bug
[11:27] <Lure> Tonio_: kdepim from my ppa is candidate for upload (UVFe given by Riddell)
[11:30] <allee> Lure: mhmm, but it strigi finished on my D600 3 hour ago
[11:31] <Lure> allee: some claim that strigi is also indexing ~/.strigi (own index), which I doubt
[11:32] <Lure> allee: it crashes regularly here, but I did not have time to look into details yet
[11:33] <allee> Lure: ahh, D600 has 12 G home and stripi used ~ 50 min cpu time.  D830 has 91 G home, so I should be patient until several cpu hours are consumed ;)
[11:34] <Lure> allee: crossing fingers that it does not crash on you ;-)
[11:36] <allee> :)
[11:58] <Tonio_> Lure: oki I'll have a look tomorrow at work, please ping me, I may forget...
[11:58] <Lure> Tonio_: thanks, will do
[12:19] <DaSkreech> I cant get strigi to index :-(
[12:19] <DaSkreech> but then I'm on a live cd so I shouldn't count .)
[12:20] <mhb> oh yeah, who's the BAD ass
[12:20] <mhb> :o)
[12:21] <mhb> excuse me, I am really happy about a bug that is close to be fixed
[12:21] <mhb> ScottK: around?


[01:39] <gshmu> YQ601  didn't work...   $ ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel=ubuntu-touch/stable/ubuntu --bootstrap
[07:25] <timppa_> Good morining!
[07:26] <timppa_> Where can I find a guide to build "preinstalled" tar.gz packages? I mean I'd like to build my own bundle which would include additional packages by default.
[07:54] <dholbach> good morning
[08:26] <jaywink> hi people. anyone know of any IRC clients for the phone? tried searching, only some webapps came up
[08:26] <jaywink> need to access company slack somehow.. an XMPP app would do too
[08:29] <Tm_T> jaywink: I use ssh -> tmux+irssi
[08:30] <jaywink> Tm_T, ok. Will use that then until an app comes along, thanks :)
[09:35] <Kudos2k> Help
[09:39] <jgdx> seb128, hi, re: the call fwd summary cached value, I think a better solution would be to store IMSIs to summaries, instead of paths.
[09:39] <seb128> jgdx, hey
[09:39] <jgdx> seb128, then I can remove the TTL stuff.
[09:40] <seb128> I don't know enough about that part of the stack to understand what you are saying, sorry
[09:40] <seb128> e.g I don't know what IMSI are
[09:40] <jgdx> seb128, sim subscription number
[09:40] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy World Freedom Day! 😃
[09:40] <jgdx> seb128, like an id for a sim
[09:41] <om26er> oSoMoN, Hi!
[09:41] <om26er> oSoMoN, how can i open a website with url dispatcher ?
[09:41] <seb128> jgdx, I see
[09:41] <jgdx> seb128, did you read the spec?
[09:42] <seb128> no, I couldn't find it
[09:42] <seb128> the wiki points to a google document
[09:42] <seb128> and clicking on the "call fowarding" in the index doesn't bring me anywhere
[09:42] <jgdx> seb128, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PhoneApp?action=recall&rev=21
[09:43] <jgdx> seb128, the official spec is in limbo, but you can use that one ^
[09:43] <seb128> jgdx, k
[09:43] <oSoMoN> om26er, in a QML app: Qt.openUrlExternally("http://example.org")
[09:44] <om26er> oSoMoN, I was looking for a command line way. found I needed to install url-dispatcher-tools
[09:44] <om26er> oSoMoN, still it opens in new tab, I need to open the link in the same tab
[09:44] <om26er> perhaps there is a parameter for that ?
[09:45] <om26er> oSoMoN, url-dispatcher http://google.com <== that opens a new tab
[09:45] <oSoMoN> om26er, nope, this will always open in a new tab
[09:45] <oSoMoN> that’s expected
[09:46] <om26er> oSoMoN, any way I can open a website and go to a sub page, without interacting with the browser itself ?
[09:47] <oSoMoN> om26er, what do you mean?
[09:48] <om26er> oSoMoN, I mean, is there a way to open lets say ubuntu.com and then go to ubuntu.com/cloud through any command ?
[09:48] <om26er> oSoMoN, I need that for a test and apparently webdriver is not playing nice with the webbrowser.
[09:49] <oSoMoN> om26er, then we need to fix webdriver support
[09:50] <om26er> oSoMoN, that's true but I was looking for a workaround for now.
[09:52] <oSoMoN> om26er, I don’t think there’s a way around that, unfortunately
[09:53] <QUESTION> hi
[09:53] <oSoMoN> om26er, and even if there was one, you would be changing the meaning of the test (opening an external link in the current tab is different from navigating within a page)
[09:54] <om26er> oSoMoN, ehm, ok. let me invest sometime on the webdriver then ;)
[09:55] <QUESTION> om26er, how arew you?
[10:15] <seb128> dpm, hey, how are you?
[10:15] <seb128> dpm, when we get new templates that should be included on the phone, should priority numbers be tweaked so they are listed as they should?
[10:15] <dpm> morning seb128, good good, and you?
[10:15] <seb128> dpm, e.g https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-rtm/15.04/+source/ubuntu-settings-components/+pots/ubuntu-settings-components/+admin
[10:16] <seb128> dpm, I'm good thanks
[10:16] <dpm> seb128, yeah, it's a good idea to set the priorities
[10:17] <seb128> dpm, can you do it for that one? what number would be the right one?
[10:17] <dpm> I can do it, yes
[10:18] <dpm> as per the numbers, we used to have a priority system for desktop packages, but we've never updated it to the phone
[10:21] <seb128> k
[10:22] <seb128> dpm, thanks
[10:22] <jgdx> morphis, hey, did you see my comment on the bz5 uss branch?
[10:23] <morphis> jgdx: no
[10:23] <morphis> jgdx: you've put it on the MP?
[10:23] <jgdx> morphis, yeah
[10:24] <dpm> seb128, done
[10:24] <seb128> dpm, great
[10:24] <dpm> seb128, however, there are still a few to do at https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-rtm/15.04/+templates - I'll see if I can set them during the course of the day
[10:25] <seb128> k
[10:26] <morphis> jgdx: with "If I forget the device, the device can be forgotten after it's rediscovered." you mean the "Forget" button can still be used after the device was discovered again?
[10:27] <jgdx> morphis, yes, I can forget that device (ubuntu laptop) many times.
[10:28] <morphis> ok
[10:29] <morphis> jgdx: hm, I see
[10:30] <morphis> jgdx: ok, have a small fix for that
[10:30] <morphis> will update the silo later today
[10:30] <jgdx> morphis, great
[10:31] <morphis> was a regression from the migration, so good you've found it :)
[10:33] <jgdx> morphis, \o/ and yay for testplans
[10:34] <morphis> :D
[10:52] <miertje> hello
[10:54] <miertje> i want to upgrade my bq4.5 from v2 to v24 , do i need to back up?
[10:56] <davmor2> miertje: you shouldn't need to, but it might be safer to do it as that is a huge jump
[10:56] <miertje> thanx
[10:58] <mardy> ssweeny: hi! I left a comment on https://code.launchpad.net/~ssweeny/location-service/delayed-providers.15.04/+merge/275384
[10:58] <mardy> ssweeny: I have a more general question about that, if you have some time
[11:43] <timppa_> Is there any known bugs on rootstock-touch-install?
[11:44] <timppa_> It cannot go past "adding android system image to installation ..."
[11:44] <timppa_> it just sit's there, process is running. Device = Nexus 7 LTE (deb)
[13:18] <om26er> alex-abreu, Hi!
[13:19] <om26er> alex-abreu, trying to use webdriver with the web browser, I got http://paste.ubuntu.com/13208323/
[13:36] <mterry> alecu, I tried to test IAP this weekend.  Some difficulties: the  /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/pay-service/setup-staging.sh script gave an error about "cp" after importing some gpg keys.  Running it a second time seemed better, but didn't appear to do as much, so I don't know whether everything worked.  Secondly, I tried to use lp:~ricardokirkner/+junk/iap, but couldn't log in.  It didn't seem to like my credentials, though I swear I put them i
[13:36] <mterry> n right a couple times...
[13:42] <Springbank> Hi
[13:43] <brendand> dobey, some change, possibly in unity8 seems to have changed the objectName of the search button in the scope from 'search_header_button' to 'search_action_button'
[13:44] <brendand> dobey, i'm going to file a bug and push a fix, can you look at it?
[13:44] <brendand> dobey, this is in unity-scope-clicks autopilot helpers i should say
[13:50] <brendand> dobey, https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/unity-scope-click/fix_search_button_objectname/+merge/277007
[13:54] <alecu> mterry: thanks a lot for the feedback! I'll ask Wellark to check that script
[13:54] <alecu> mterry: and regarding the iap branch, that's very weird
[13:55] <mterry> alecu, yeah I might have just been crazy.  Can try again later
[13:55] <alecu> mterry: I'm looking inside an incognito browser window here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ricardokirkner/+junk/iap/view/head:/iap.py
[13:55] <alecu> mterry: and it seems to be public
[13:55] <mterry> alecu, the instruction page mentions having to poke you folks to enable IAP for a given app.  Is that still needed?
[13:55] <mterry> alecu, oh no no
[13:55] <mterry> alecu, the credentials error is when I try to use "login" inside that script
[13:56] <alecu> mterry: ah, doh
[13:56] <mterry> alecu, I have 2fA enabled, but I did put a key in...
[13:56] <alecu> mterry: I'll ask ricardokirkner (pindonga) about that.
[14:01] <alecu> mterry: let's move this to #ubuntu-iap-pilot, because I can't see the relevant people around here
[14:16] <mterry> Mirv, you mentioned xenial not booting on the phone.  is there a bug I can track for that, so I know when to retest my camera bugs?
[14:19] <jibel> mterry, bug 1512323
[14:19] <mterry> jibel, thanks!  :)
[14:20] <Mirv> thanks, I also just knew it's somewhere but didn't know the number :)
[14:24] <mterry> Mirv, that bug mentions a last-known good build, will try that for the camera bugs
[14:39] <rhuddie> Kaleo, I've seen some failures in regression tests (and also camera-app tests) caused by helpers in the camera-app, see: https://bugs.launchpad.net/camera-app/+bug/1514408
[14:39] <rhuddie> Kaleo, I've got an MP to fix it, please do take a look. https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/camera-app/fix-1514408-swipe-to-gallery/+merge/276993
[14:39] <Kaleo> rhuddie, thanks
[14:40] <Kaleo> rhuddie, I don't understand how I missed that
[14:40] <Kaleo> rhuddie, thank you
[14:40] <rhuddie> Kaleo, no problem
[14:53] <oSoMoN> jdstrand, any ideas on how to address https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webbrowser-app/+bug/1514455 ?
[14:55] <jdstrand> oSoMoN: yes, use content-hub. I believe they have a file picker now
[14:56] <oSoMoN> oh really? that’d be perfect
[14:56] <jdstrand> no reason not to use it on desktop
[14:56] <oSoMoN> will test
[14:56] <jdstrand> oSoMoN: I've not used it. you might want to chat with kenvandine
[14:57] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, so content-hub has a file picker?
[14:57] <kenvandine> ah... sort of :)
[14:57] <kenvandine> Elleo created the files-app (stripped down from filemanager-app)
[14:57] <kenvandine> which will be used for legacy apps
[14:58] <Elleo> oSoMoN: it's only a prototype at the moment, it's not shipped on any devices and hasn't had any design approval yet
[14:59] <oSoMoN> Elleo, okay, is it in a state where we could experiment with using it in the browser on desktop?
[14:59] <Elleo> oSoMoN: yeah, it should probably work fine on the desktop, haven't really tested it there though: http://code.launchpad.net/files-app
[15:00] <Elleo> but I don't see any reason for it not to work
[15:00] <oSoMoN> good, I’ll see if I can experiment with it this week
[15:01] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, let us know how it goes
[15:03] <oSoMoN> will do
[15:04] <kenvandine> Elleo, we're going to need to finish up files-app soon, that's the last step for legacy app support
[15:05] <Elleo> kenvandine: yeah, I guess how much work there is left to do on it depends on what design thinks of it; do you know if they've looked at it much?
[15:05] <kenvandine> Elleo, last i heard they hadn't looked, but bfiller had a todo to get that done
[15:05] <Elleo> okay, cool
[15:34] <Uchin> hi all, any idea how to detect bq aquaris (ubuntu edition) as GSM modem on linux
[15:35] <Uchin> hi all, any idea how to detect bq aquaris (ubuntu edition) as GSM modem on linux
[15:37] <pmcgowan> Uchin, not sure what you mean, do you want it to work as a wifi hotspot?
[15:38] <Uchin> no no
[15:38] <Uchin> I want to send AT commands to mobile
[15:39] <Uchin> using /dev/ttyUSB*
[16:36] <Walex> Uc
[16:55] <vishnudev> anyone there?
[16:55] <vishnudev> I'ce one doubt
[16:58] <davmor2> vishnudev: yes there are people here, feel free to ask your question
[16:58] <vishnudev> I've compiled android kernel for nexus 6
[16:59] <vishnudev> after making modificaitons for ubuntu
[16:59] <vishnudev> when i tried booting android with that kernel its not booting. stuck at loading screen
[16:59] <vishnudev> is it normal?
[17:29] <Seb_> hi
[18:55] <muka> Right now I have Nexus 4 but it will not last long, so I'm thinking to get BQ E5 or Meizu. Any recommendations? I'm in US, t-mobile network.
[19:08] <nhaines> muka: I suggest waiting for a US Ubuntu phone, because the others only work on 2G in the US, and T-Mobile doesn't offer 2G coverage everywhere.
[19:10] <muka> nhaines, thank you.
[19:12] <nhaines> muka: you're welcome!  That said, there isn't any expected release date for a US phone.  We know there's interest, but the software has to become more mature.  I'm hoping by the end of the year.
[19:15] <muka> ok, thanks again.
[19:28] <vishnudev> Hi guys lunch command is not doing anything
[19:28] <vishnudev> am i missing something?
[19:48] <ramsesHD> Hi all. I have two questions. Can I use the full range of Linux commands with the terminal app on Ubuntu Touch? And is it possible to run X applications like Firefox on a smartphone with Ubuntu Touch?
[20:00] <popey> ramsesHD, kinda, and not yet.
[20:01] <ramsesHD> popey: what do you mean by kinda? ;-)
[20:01] <popey> ramsesHD, well, not all commands are installed, and we don't support using apt-get to install them
[20:01] <popey> so sure, the ones that are installed work, like vi, nano etc
[20:01] <popey> but others, you may need to put them on the device in creative ways
[20:02] <ramsesHD> popey: ok, thanks.
[20:02] <popey> make sense?
[20:02] <mcphail> popey: we need to get lxd on the phone, so we can apt-get happily :)
[20:03] <popey> or just a chroot, like ogra_ does
[20:03] <mcphail> chroots ar emessy
[20:03] <ramsesHD> popey: yes, I understood. Unfortunately, that isn't what I'm looking for.
[20:04] <popey> ramsesHD, what you after? maybe we can help
[20:06] <ramsesHD> popey: simply a fully usable shell like on Sailfish OS on the Jolla phone. Unfortunately, it's very out of date.
[20:08] <popey> mcphail, snappy install lxd :)
[20:08] <mcphail> popey: indeed :)
[20:09] <mcphail> ramsesHD: phone has a full bash shell
[20:10] <mcphail> ramsesHD: and a good terminal app
[20:13] <ramsesHD> mcphail: I am interested in the Meizu MX 4 Ubuntu edition. So, I can expect a full bash shell on this?
[20:14] <mcphail> as far as I know, yes. Be aware, though, that if you want to install other important software (such as some python versions, ruby etc) the security model restricts you a bit in what you can do
[20:15] <ramsesHD> hm, ok.
[20:15] <mcphail> ramsesHD: but you can happily use the shell to wget, ssh out etc
[20:17] <davmor2> ramsesHD: it is a full bash shell, it is just that not all the terminal apps are available, so it might be that if you depend on a terminal app in a script if it isn't on the phone it will fail to work, for example top is installed but htop isn't so if you prefer htop you have to be creative
[20:18] <ramsesHD> davmor2: thanks.
[21:30] <drwf> Hello I have a question, I cant conconnect wifi under hhexadecimal key wifi
[21:31] <drwf> Can't connect wifi under hexadecimal key wifi


[03:18] <bllz> I have an intel HDA chipset (VT1708B) that is not listed in /usr/share/doc/alsa-base/driver/HD-Audio-Models.txt.gz ... what can I do?  The sound works but I cannot control volume or mute.
[03:29] <mishehu> bllz: have you poked around alsa docs and mailing lists?
[03:30] <mishehu> there might be useful info abotu it there.
[03:31] <bllz> mishehu:  i've poked around google a lot and a couple of mailing lists turned up
[03:31] <bllz> i haven't really found much
[03:32] <bllz> I found a decent howto on the ubuntu documentation, but like I said, I can't find my model
[03:46] <darthanubis> bllz, you really expect help on X-Mas?
[03:46] <darthanubis> really?!?
[03:47] <darthanubis> :=P
[03:48] <bllz> darthanubis:  haha no... not really
[03:48] <bllz> but it's worth a shot!
[03:49] <bllz> haha and I'm all alone!
[07:49] <kalorin> so has anyone ever gotten a haupage win tv 1600 to work?
[07:49] <kalorin> like ever?
[07:50] <kalorin> all I get is that the cx18 driver can't find some ir messages
[07:50] <kalorin> this after several hours of reading and beating my head on the wall
[07:51] <kalorin> specifically: cx18: Unknown smbol ir_codes_hauppauge_new_table
[07:51] <kalorin> is what I get in dmesg when it tries to load the driver
[07:52] <kalorin> heading off the bed
[07:52] <kalorin> privately message me if you see this and can tell me anything, otherwise, I guess this is a failed experiment as I'm about done with it
[07:53] <kalorin> nighty
[07:53] <kalorin> friggin' 3am on this silliness again :(
[17:31] <bcgrown> Any firewire experts here today?  I'm having trouble connecting to my DCT6200 (which has worked great before with the same firewire card but in a different PC)
[17:34] <bcgrown> The box is detected properly, but MythTV tells me "all tuners are in use" even though it's not doing anything.  I didn't see anything in mythbackend.log, mythfrontend.log, or /var/log/messages that seems to indicate any problem
[18:05] <hugolp> Hi, I had a working version of Mythtv backend running on my server (a Ubuntu 9.04 updatd to 9.10) I had to make a clean install of the system, and now the Mythtv backend configuration software does not find any channel when scanning (dvb-t, signal was ok 2 days ago, have not changed anything but software). The card is a AverTv Volar (usb stick). Anyone has any idea?
[18:06] <hugolp> Also, the Ubuntu restricted drivers manager tells me I have to install some dvb non-free driver wich I find very weird. I tried before installing the restricted drivers and I installed again with the restricted drivers installed to check. The scan fails both ways.
[19:26] <kalorin> I"m guessing that's a no