[07:47] <dholbach> good morning
[07:51] <DktrKranz> LucidFox: ok, added to my TODO, will have a look soon, thanks ;)
[07:53] <iulian> G'morning dholbach, DktrKranz.
[07:53] <dholbach> hey iulian
[07:55] <fabrice_sp> Hi all
[07:56] <fabrice_sp> I've commited a change to ubuntu-dev-tools in bzr and in the revisions, I see "fabrice <fabrice@fabrice-desktop>" instead of my name.
[07:59] <dholbach> heya DktrKranz
[08:00] <fabrice_sp> ahhh. Thanks dholbach !
[08:05] <fabrice_sp> is it possible to undo the push?
[08:05] <dholbach> ah no, better not try it
[08:06] <dholbach> there's ways to do that, but 1) ugly and 2) if somebody merged or pulled that already, they'll be in trouble
[08:06] <fabrice_sp> ok. I'll leave it that way then (and it will be ok next time). Thanks anyway!
[08:07]  * dholbach hugs fabrice_sp
[08:07]  * fabrice_sp hugs back dholbach :-)
[08:09] <fabrice_sp> about qt-assistant-compat: is it enough to build depends on libqtassistantclient-dev or should we add a runtime dependency on qt-assistant-compat? (see bug #605027)
[08:41] <DktrKranz> dholbach: wrt remmina, I just ACKed remaining bugs, just to make sure they are synced together :)
[08:42] <dholbach> DktrKranz: thanks a bunch - I was just about to have a look :)
[08:42]  * dholbach hugs DktrKranz
[08:43]  * DktrKranz hugs dholbach back
[08:43] <dholbach> :-)
[09:06] <Laney> dholbach: I had assigned myself to #604565 to take a look at upstreaming the patch but you sponsored it... could you try and watch out for that in future?
[09:08] <dholbach> Laney: I was confused because you had assigned it to yourself 15h ago
[09:08] <Laney> I used it as an example in the talk last night :)
[09:08] <dholbach> Laney: I noticed the assignment, but thought that you had gone busy
[09:08] <Laney> today I Was going to sponsor it
[09:09] <Laney> but no worries
[09:10] <dholbach> yeah, I didn't know that you were going to look into upstreaming it, etc. - I just thought "this looks easy to do, I'll just get it done, maybe Laney is busy"
[09:11] <dholbach> sorry for ruining your example
[09:11] <Laney> no I was already done with it as an example
[09:11] <Laney> maybe an IRC ping next time :)
[09:12] <dholbach> irc ping + comment on the bug ;-)
[09:12]  * dholbach hugs Laney
[09:14]  * Laney hugs dholbach too — no harm done
[10:34] <BlackZ> fabrice_sp: ntfs-config does not FTBFS in sid IIRC
[10:56] <Riddell> dholbach: could you review bug 605003 please
[10:59] <dholbach> Riddell: I'm a bit busy right now - but I'll do it later on if nobody else gets to it
[11:04] <dholbach> persia, TheMuso: can one of you add a [DEPRECATED] into the title (Display Name) of ~ubuntu-universe-sponsors so it gets clearer that it shouldn't be used?
[11:05] <Riddell> happyaron: bug 602696 requests two packages but only 1 has an ack, please open a second bug for openvanilla-modules
[11:11] <happyaron> Riddell: thanks, I will do it now.
[11:11] <happyaron> Riddell: there's a new set of upstream release, can I request them in a single bug?
[11:14] <Riddell> happyaron: please don't, our scripts work with one package per bug
[11:14] <happyaron> Riddell: okay, thanks
[11:37] <TheMuso> dholbach: I'm on it now.
[11:38]  * dholbach hugs TheMuso
[11:38] <TheMuso> Done.
[11:39] <TheMuso> oh deprecated is already there
[11:54] <dholbach> TheMuso: for ubuntu-universe-sponsors?
[11:58] <happyaron> filed three new requests,<PHONE_NUMBER>61 605363
[11:58] <happyaron> Riddell: ^
[12:35] <TheMuso> dholbach: yes
[12:43] <artfwo> hello! I have received two e-mails about my recent sync requests, containing "Your package contains new components which requires manual editing of the override file.  It is ok otherwise, so please be patient.  New packages are usually added to the overrides about once a week.". should I do anything or just wait for them to appear in the archive?
[12:46] <Rhonda> "please be patient."
[12:47] <artfwo> so, nothing wrong?
[12:49] <Rhonda> No.
[12:49] <artfwo> then I have a second question: one of the packages (jackd2) had ubuntu changes, and required a merge. it was synced due to source package renaming in Debian. I'd like to apply my previous merge attempt to the new package. should I wait for it to enter the archive/appear in launchad?
[12:50] <Rhonda> Was it synced already or isn't it in the archive? Somehow that statement contradicts in my mind.
[12:50] <artfwo> Rhonda, please check bug 601754
[12:52] <Rhonda> Ah, was just done shortly. I'd say wait for it to be in the place you need to put your changes onto, yes.
[12:52] <artfwo> okay, thanks for clarifying this!
[14:40] <lfaraone> How difficult is it to request the creation of a package set?
[14:40] <lfaraone> I'm currently mentoring a group of developers in the maintinence of the Ubuntu Sugar packages, and at some point I'd like to have them be able to upload to (that subset of) the archive directly.
[14:44] <Rhonda> lfaraone: This wikipage might be helpful to you: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers/TeamDelegation
[14:49] <lfaraone> Rhonda: Okay. Would it be a problem if an administrator of the team is not a MOTU? (but is a Ubuntu Member for other things)
[14:50] <geser> lfaraone: creating a package set is pretty easy, create a list of packages and propose it to the DMB
[14:51] <geser> lfaraone: and later let those who are ready apply at the DMB for upload rights to that package set
[14:52] <Rhonda> lfaraone: I am not aware of such a restriction - but I'm pretty new myself so don't depend too much on my response. :)
[14:52] <lfaraone> geser: okay. from what I read on the wikipage Rhonda linked, access rights were given simply by membership in the team.
[14:53] <Rhonda> lfaraone: Actually, per package upload rights are about not requiring to be MOTU for it so it would be a bit against the idea of it to require some MOTU. :)
[14:53] <directhex> how many package sets are there so far?
[14:53] <lfaraone> geser: is that not the case?
[14:54] <directhex> i know the mono team got ours pretty early in their availability
[14:54] <Rhonda> hmm
[14:54] <lfaraone> directhex: from what I've read, -desktop, edubntu, kubuntu, mythbuntu.
[14:54] <micahg> lfaraone: I'm a good example of a new team based package set, I handed over ownership to the DMB once the package set was created, then applied for rights and was added back once approved
[14:54] <lfaraone> directhex: ah, they're not listed on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers#DelegateDev
[14:55] <geser> lfaraone: TeamDelegation is more for teams which have procedures for new members (e.g. an council) and want to grant upload permissions on their own
[14:56] <lfaraone> geser: so if myself and a Ubuntu-member friend of mine wanted to create a council of two with an application process similar to that of the DMB, would that be acceptable?
[14:56] <directhex> sigh, time to suspend laptop... wonder if i'll get back on the wifi again
[14:57] <geser> lfaraone: to be honest I doubt it, the only full delegated teams are ones on that wiki page
[14:59] <geser> lfaraone: but for a package set you don't need a council or a full delegated team
[15:00] <geser> lfaraone: see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2010-May/000062.html how micahg got his Mozilla Package Set.
[15:02] <Rhonda> \o/ - got me a new phone number.  +43-780-UBUNTU
[15:03]  * Rhonda . o O ( +43-780-828688 )
[15:03] <dholbach> wow
[15:04] <Rhonda> +43-780-novell (668355) is still available :P
[15:04] <lfaraone> geser: makes sense. is there a way to have the list automatically expand to incude any package that matches a regexp? (for example, we want python-xklavier, python-sugar-*, and sugar-*)
[15:06] <lfaraone> dholbach: if you don't have a google voice number already, you can get (414) HOL-BACH
[15:06] <dholbach> lfaraone: better not :)
[15:06] <dholbach> I get the feeling the "bat light" for dholbach goes off often enough
[15:07] <geser> no, as only packages currently in the archive can get into a package set but if the DMB accepts a package set for python-sugar-*, sugar-* then pointing cjwatson to a new package matching it should be enough to let him add it to the package set
[15:08] <lfaraone> geser: cool. should I be present for the meeting during which I propose a package set? (I assume it's discussed at the meeting)
[15:08] <geser> lfaraone: yes, attending is preferred (for the discussion)
[15:10] <lfaraone> geser: okay. do there already have to be a group of people I'd propose for adding to the group when it's proposed? (I expect some of the people I'm working with to be ready in a month or two)
[15:12] <geser> lfaraone: at least one person would be nice (e.g. you). And the others can get added when they are ready (by applying for upload rights for this package set at the DMB)
[15:19] <lfaraone> geser: for upload rights to the set, would work in a PPA be considered, or maintainership in Debian? or do they all need sponsored uploads to the Ubutnu archive?
[15:19] <lfaraone> *ubuntu
[15:28] <alf__> Hi all! Anyone interested in sponsoring ubuntu #605429?
[15:29] <geser> lfaraone: sponsored uploads would be best as they both prove packaging skills and knowledge about our development cycle; Debian maintainership is also a good sign of packaging skills, so only the knowledge of our processes need to be shown; PPA uploads aren't well suited to prove one or the other
[16:07] <DktrKranz> LucidFox: uploading valknut :)
[16:07] <LucidFox> DktrKranz> \o/ Thanks!
[16:08] <DktrKranz> it will have to clear NEW, but we're fast these days ;)
[16:12] <ari-tczew> DktrKranz: what is NEW?
[16:17] <DktrKranz> ari-tczew: valknut
[16:19] <lfaraone> If I use CDBS, should I just write my doc-base files as I would with debhelper? Do I also include the docs in the debian/docs file?
[16:22] <sebner> ari-tczew: Debian NEW is like our NEW queue for new apps
[16:41] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek Day 3 about to start in 19 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[18:17] <shadeslayer> oh...
[18:17] <shadeslayer> ^^
[18:17] <shadeslayer> just missed EzraR
[18:18] <shadeslayer> bug 603276 , what did he mean by the last comment? :)
[18:21] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: the report against lucid-backports is sufficient for backport requests, and a bug report against the package in ubuntu is not needed/wanted :)
[18:21] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: ohh.. i didnt know.. i thought i had to file a backport request
[18:21] <JontheEchidna> you did
[18:21] <JontheEchidna> against lucid-backports, which is sufficient
[18:21] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: against the wrong package?
[18:22] <JontheEchidna> no
[18:22] <shadeslayer> oh ok..
[18:22] <shadeslayer> uh.. :S
[18:22] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: ill read the wiki again
[18:23] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: can you sponsor some stuff to universe?
[18:23] <shadeslayer> kdiff3 specifically
[18:23] <JontheEchidna> ah, the ftbfs fix?
[18:23] <shadeslayer> ( its FTBFS currently )
[18:23] <JontheEchidna> sure
[18:23] <shadeslayer> yes
[18:24] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: debdiff http://pastebin.com/wzJ9pARK
[18:26] <shadeslayer> buildlog : http://pastebin.com/yU5RDnUN
[18:26] <shadeslayer> if your intrested that is :D
[18:26] <shadeslayer> wrong one..
[18:27] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: http://pastebin.com/eh7FwqsD correct build log
[18:27]  * shadeslayer goes to look at kdesudo till then
[18:27] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: the debdiff seems wrong. it says that the patch is being reverted
[18:27] <shadeslayer> :S
[18:27] <JontheEchidna> reverted:
[18:27] <JontheEchidna> --- kdiff3-0.9.95/debian/patches/docbook.patch
[18:28] <shadeslayer> yeah.. my fault
[18:28] <shadeslayer> didnt debuild -S -sa :P
[18:29] <shadeslayer> weird... same thing again..
[18:29] <shadeslayer> one sec..
[18:37] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: http://pastebin.com/rMTT1pMd << look ok?
[18:38] <JontheEchidna> patch unexpectedly ends in middle of line
[18:38] <JontheEchidna> patch: **** malformed patch at line 70:
[18:39] <shadeslayer> 0_o
[18:39] <shadeslayer> ok..
[18:39] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: http://pastebin.com/rQAWig4G << thats the patch that has to be added
[18:40] <shadeslayer> do you want me to push the packaging to bzr?
[18:40]  * shadeslayer has no idea why debdiff fails...
[18:43] <shadeslayer> packaging in bzr
[18:44] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/kdiff3/ubuntu
[19:02]  * shadeslayer pokes JontheEchidna with MOTU stick
[19:02] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: had to wait for bzr to process the new branhc
[19:02] <shadeslayer> :)
[19:03] <shadeslayer> ok ..
[19:03] <shadeslayer> fixing kdesudo for now then
[19:52] <ari-tczew> kadu merge is done. patch is waiting for sponsor
[19:52] <simar> shadeslayer, Hi
[19:52] <simar> shadeslayer, http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/m/mgltools-bhtree/mgltools-bhtree_1.5.4.cvs.20090603-1.dsc build flawlessly on my machine..
[19:52] <shadeslayer> simar: hey :D
[19:52] <shadeslayer> ari-tczew: ooh.. :D
[19:52] <shadeslayer> simar: on your pbuilder?
[19:53] <simar> shadeslayer, ya
[19:53] <shadeslayer> simar: one sec..
[19:54] <simar> But seeing the build log in launchpad, I conjecture that the an/gstreamer0.10-plugins should be pgstreamer though.
[19:54] <shadeslayer> simar: lp link
[19:55] <shadeslayer> simar: dget -xu https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/mgltools-bhtree_1.5.4.cvs.20090603-1.1.dsc
[19:56] <shadeslayer> simar: and then build that
[19:56] <shadeslayer> simar: the file you downloaded is a debian file....
[19:56] <shadeslayer> uh
[19:56] <shadeslayer> s/file/dsc
[19:57] <simar> shadeslayer, If the package FTBFS then why we have it on launchpad for maveric? secondly can't I use apt-get source to download source from ubuntu repositories ?
[19:58] <shadeslayer> simar: 1) the error is a rebuild failure,it failed a rebuild after something else changed on the repo
[19:58] <shadeslayer> simar: 2) if you have maverick installed then you can apt-get source
[20:00] <simar> shadeslayer, It means it used to get build correctly in maverick but not now.
[20:00] <shadeslayer> simar: yes
[20:01] <shadeslayer> simar: usually all the backend which handles packaging gets updated often with loads of changes,which means builds have to be re tried ever so often,and this causes a rebuild failiure
[20:02] <simar> shadeslayer, Some more things,1. As I downloaded the same file from debian why did one builds fails for one and not for other
[20:02] <shadeslayer> simar: debian != ubuntu ;)
[20:02] <shadeslayer> simar: some stuff might build on debian,but if ubuntu introduces changes,then it might not build
[20:04] <simar> shadeslayer, ya but the source file seems to be same doesn't have -3ubuntu0 format which is used to make changes in ubuntu and moreover it build correctly ..
[20:04] <simar> 2. Why you use dget which I thought to download source only from debian?
[20:04] <simar> and not from launchpad?
[20:04] <shadeslayer> simar: you can use dget to download files from lp as well ;)
[20:05] <shadeslayer> dont understand the first part of the question tho
[20:05] <simar> shadeslayer, k
[20:07] <simar> shadeslayer, I was told that when the debian source is modified in ubuntu we use this format like xpad_4.0-5ubuntu1.dsc  but the file name are same in ubuntu and debian it means it is unmodified that is no diff is applied. And moreover the source from debian builds correctly on my system?
[20:08] <shadeslayer> simar: aaahhh... seems that its more of a dep issue,see python 2.5 was uploaded with some modifications
[20:09] <shadeslayer> simar: so... you need to correct the deps in debian/control
[20:09] <simar> shadeslayer, how you see that?
[20:10] <shadeslayer> simar: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python2.5
[20:10] <shadeslayer> and a bit of common sense (TM) :D
[20:11] <simar> shadeslayer, ya :)
[20:16] <simar> shadeslayer, my pbuilder is downloading 56% [17 python2.6-dev ..  I dont know why?
[20:16] <simar> shadeslayer, and downloading more
[20:16] <shadeslayer> simar: let the build finish :D
[20:17] <simar> shadeslayer, ok thanks
[20:17] <simar> shadeslayer, This is one of the line.Get:7 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid/main libhtml-tagset-perl 3.20-2 [13.5kB] . Hope all is well
[20:18] <shadeslayer> ok :D
[20:26] <simar> shadeslayer, it build successfully!!
[20:26] <shadeslayer> simar: hmm.. ok,then you can ignore that package...
[20:27] <shadeslayer> i guess...
[20:27] <simar> shadeslayer, I think, may be my pbuilder is not configured correctly.
[20:27] <shadeslayer> simar: why would that be?
[20:28] <simar> shadeslayer, Because it is building correctly on my system and not on yours.
[20:29] <shadeslayer> simar: i didnt say it didnt build on my system
[20:29] <simar> shadeslayer, oh!
[20:29] <simar> shadeslayer, Is the list you provided yesterday, all contains rebuild failures?
[20:30] <Quintasan> jcastro: ping
[20:30] <shadeslayer> those failiures are on official builders
[20:31] <simar> shadeslayer, ok i will some other. anyways a very thanks for your help..
[20:31] <jcastro> Quintasan: pong
[20:31] <simar> shadeslayer, I really gained a lot
[20:32] <shadeslayer> simar: np
[20:32] <Quintasan> jcastro: can I go on priv, I have two questions about daily builds, I forgot to ask them during the session >_<
[20:32] <jcastro> just ask here!
[20:32] <Quintasan> oh well
[20:33] <Quintasan> jcastro: first of all, is there a way to make bzr builder autobump versions? I have the build working but I can't get the debug stripping to work in PPA and I can't upload the same revision twice :(
[20:34] <jcastro> I use like {time}
[20:35] <Quintasan> hmm, this will create a new source tree each for every rebuild, hmm
[20:35] <jcastro> here's what I have in my cron job currently:
[20:35] <jcastro> bzr dailydeb /home/jorge/dailies/quickly.recipe --key-id FFC27DD0 --dput ppa:quickly/daily-build
[20:36] <jcastro> then it just throws away the working dir (but yeah, it pulls the branch each time)
[20:37] <Quintasan> well with quickly it is not a problem, but Qt takes >300mb of space :O
[20:37] <Quintasan> jcastro: I can just wait for revision to bump, any tips on stripping debug libs? PPA disables thoes by default
[20:37] <Quintasan> those*
[20:38] <jcastro> Quintasan: nope, that's more of a question for dholbach, whose done for the day unfortunately
[20:38] <jcastro> I mean "who's". My grammar sucks today.
[20:38] <james_w> Quintasan: if you pass a working directory to dailydeb then it will re-use it
[20:39] <james_w> Quintasan: what are you trying to do with the debug libs?
[20:39] <Quintasan> james_w: strip them to project-neon-qt-dbg
[20:40] <Quintasan> I have tried doing override_dh_strip but it didn't work
[20:41] <james_w> Quintasan: you have project-neon-qt-dbg in your debian/control? Please pastebin your debian/rules
[20:42] <Quintasan> yes I do -> http://pastebin.com/jt4zqjuB
[20:44] <Quintasan> oh god
[20:44] <Quintasan> james_w: sorry rules -> http://pastebin.com/Xveh7zUi
[20:44] <Quintasan> I pastebin'd wrong file
[20:47] <james_w> Quintasan: it looks like it should work like that, do you have a build log?
[20:47] <james_w> Quintasan: unless it isn't being built with -g to produce the debug symbols in the first place?
[20:49] <Quintasan> james_w: local build strips fine, PPA won't do it
[20:50] <james_w> Quintasan: do you have a pointer to a ppa build log?
[20:51] <Quintasan> james_w: https://launchpad.net/~neon/+archive/ppa/+build/1865814/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-amd64.project-neon-qt_1.0+1200_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz
[20:52] <Quintasan> https://launchpad.net/~neon/+archive/ppa/+build/1865814
[21:03] <james_w> Quintasan: I'm looking in to it
[21:07] <james_w> Quintasan: it does call the usual dh_strip in that build
[21:08] <james_w> Quintasan: I suspect it is the missing -a to dh_strip
[21:11] <Quintasan> I'll try that
[22:16] <carstenh> installing aegir-provision breaks sudo in lucid and maverick, 0.3-2.1 in debian sid fixes this. can someone please sync it from debian to maverick and do whatever is needed for a SRU to lucid? launchpad bug is #543662 (i should habe mentioned this in the changelog, sorry for this oversight). thanks
[22:16] <carstenh> ubottu: launchpad bug #543662
[22:26] <dupondje-> carstenh: thx, subscribed the correct teams and linked upstream bug
[22:26] <dupondje-> should get fixed asap :)
[22:30] <carstenh> dupondje-: fine, thanks :)
[22:34] <carstenh> dupondje-: jftr, not aegir-provision crashes but sudo itself.  even "sudo true" ran by root fails and thus installing aegir-provision renders the whole ubuntu installation unusable (except a root password is set).
[23:17] <ScottK> shadeslayer: The mgltools-* packages are broken since we no longer ship python2.5 and upstream doesn't support 2.6 yet.


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[10:09] <oldmanstan> anybody around who can answer a question?
[10:32] <nixternal> whats up oldmanstan?
[10:32] <oldmanstan> oh hello
[10:33] <nixternal> oh oh oh
[10:33] <oldmanstan> i'm working on the printing doc for xubuntu and i'm stuck on the network printing section, there doesn't seem to be a good, consistent way of setting up a network printer in xubuntu
[10:33] <oldmanstan> so i want to know if it would be kosher to just tell people to install gnome-cups-manager
[10:33] <oldmanstan> and have them do it that way
[10:34] <nixternal> you should ask a Xubuntu dev about that one
[10:34] <nixternal> what does Xubuntu use for Print Management?
[10:35] <nixternal> I figured they would have used g-cups-mgr
[10:35] <oldmanstan> no, xubuntu has its own gui
[10:35] <oldmanstan> different from the xfce and ubuntu guis
[10:35] <nixternal> ahh, well then, try and find out from them how they would go about setting up a network printer and what they might use
[10:35] <oldmanstan> ok, cool
[10:36] <nixternal> probably go to the xubuntu-devel mailing list with that one...you might get the best response that way from devs
[10:37] <oldmanstan> oh ok, i just left a message on irc, i'll hit up the list in a second, right before you came back i'd emailed the doc list too, haha
[10:38] <nixternal> roger that
[10:44] <oldmanstan> problem solved
[10:45] <nixternal> that was fast
[10:46] <oldmanstan> yeah, someone got back to me on irc right away
[10:51] <oldmanstan> another question, better to tell people to install thing using command line or synaptic? command line seems more straightforward to me, but i dunno
[10:54] <nixternal> always go gui
[10:54] <nixternal> people who know how to use the command line will use it, those new to Xubuntu will more than likely only know pretty windows
[10:55] <oldmanstan> ahh, gotcha
[11:00] <Jman> \nick Jmanfoo
[11:01] <Jmanfoo> now that that's dealt with, are there any documentation projects for Kubuntu I could help with?
[11:02] <nixternal> Jmanfoo: what are you interested in?
[11:02] <nixternal> myself and jjesse are the 2 main kubuntu documentors
[11:03] <Jmanfoo> mainly network related stuff, and transitioning from windows to linux
[11:03] <nixternal> have you taken a look at the current network section in Kubuntu docs?
[11:03] <nixternal> I am sure that can use some fixing. Especially the wireless section I am sure
[11:04] <oldmanstan> nixternal: another thing, gnome-cups-manager doesn't create a menu entry in xubuntu, so it has to be run command line, alt-f2 the best way to describe it?
[11:04] <nixternal> umm, yes...I would probably file a bug though against that if it hasn't been already
[11:05] <Jmanfoo> hmm, there isn't much on networking here, at least what i'm seeing here https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/kubuntu/desktopguide/C/networking.html
[11:05] <nixternal> we don't use the desktop guide anymore
[11:05] <nixternal> http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu
[11:05] <nixternal> that is what is being built from our current svn repository
[11:06] <Jmanfoo> gotcha
[11:08] <oldmanstan> where exactly would i file that bug?  sorry, never done that b4, would it be on launchpad somewhere?
[11:09] <nixternal> yup
[11:09] <oldmanstan> i mean, i know where the bug stuff is on launchpad, but is there a set place to file for certain packages?
[11:09] <nixternal> you would file against gnome-cups-manager
[11:10] <nixternal> 85 g-c-m bugs...searching for menu related ones for g-c-m
[11:10] <nixternal> lovely, and lp just timedout
[11:10] <oldmanstan> yeah, me too
[11:29] <oldmanstan> haha oops, apparently it's already been fixed, but it calls the menu entry "Printing" exactly like the xubuntu printing icon, it just puts it in the system folder rather than settings
[11:37] <jjesse> evening
[11:37] <jjesse> was out grocery shoppoing
[11:37] <jjesse> shopping :)
[11:38] <nixternal> shop lifting!
[11:38] <jjesse> hey don't tell
[11:38] <nixternal> hehe, check this out
[11:38] <nixternal> 16:30:38 [  catisonh]  oh, so ubuntu isn't made by Microsoft?
[11:38] <jjesse> wow
[11:38] <jjesse> that's funny
[11:39] <nixternal> haha, I think the guy is a troll...there is no way someone is that far out of the loop


[08:35] <TheYsNoi> hello there...
[08:35] <TheYsNoi> has someone tested the alpha2 release here?
[14:51] <brendand> TheYsNoi - lot's of people have. any problem?
[14:54] <cjwatson> brendand: he/she isn't here any more,
[14:54] <cjwatson> anyhow I suspect it's confusion between this channel and #ubuntu-testing, or something
[15:03] <skaet> hmm... rls-mgr-p-tracking seems to be missing some bugs that should be there.   Wonder what glitched up now?
[15:17] <jibel> skaet, the glitch is "Friday, 20. January 2012 02:01 UTC "
[15:17] <jibel> last refresh is 2 weeks behind
[15:18] <skaet> *sigh*
[15:18] <skaet> thanks jibel
[15:18] <skaet> missed that
[15:19]  * skaet was focused on A2 since returning from vacation.
[15:20] <cjwatson> I complained about it in a release meeting or two.
[15:20] <cjwatson> So far I seem to have been ignored.
[15:24] <skaet> cjwatson,  bjf is the person to ping directly when it stops working.   Sorry I thought it had been taken care of,  but didn't check for myself until this morning.
[15:25] <cjwatson> Somebody (Steve, I think) said they had already done so.
[15:25] <cjwatson> I've given up on that whole system as honestly it's just broken too often.  At least LP is consistent.
[15:25] <cjwatson> Even if it's less well-categorised.
[15:26] <skaet> I wanted it in LP,  but there were roadblocks put up for getting the categorization in there.
[19:14] <jdstrand> fyi, I need to take the publisher offline
[19:15] <jdstrand> we have an important firefox update that has to go out today, and I need to make sure everything that went to -updates with the rapid release migration makes it to -security
[19:15] <jdstrand> now that I know about sru-release, this should not be as painful as last time
[19:16] <jdstrand> (not nearly-- it should be off for less than an hour)
[19:16] <jdstrand> sorry, this should be the last of these
[19:18] <jdstrand> cron job disabled
[20:19] <cjwatson> jdstrand: I'd like to know how long it took
[20:19] <jdstrand> cjwatson: well, it is for two releases, maverick and lucid
[20:19] <jdstrand> lucid is done, maverick is still going
[20:19] <jdstrand> I didn't start sru-release right away though, cause there were a number of things I needed to copy-package
[20:20] <jdstrand> I think it was in the neighborhood of 25 minutes
[20:20] <jdstrand> and by they, I mean lucid
[20:20] <jdstrand> or it
[20:20] <jdstrand> meh
[20:20] <jdstrand> lucid I think took 25 minutes
[20:21] <jdstrand> which is *much* better than the 2.5+ hours it took for copy-package
[20:24] <cjwatson> OK.  Archive.copyPackages might be faster yet, but that doesn't send mail so I want to think about whether it makes sense for sru-release to use that
[20:24] <cjwatson> How many packages was this?
[20:26]  * micahg was wondering about recent mail sent for -updates
[20:30] <cjwatson> Yeah, side-effect
[20:31] <cjwatson> But copyPackages might be a sensible solution actually
[20:31] <cjwatson> I forget what the typical overhead of an API request is
[20:32] <cjwatson> I'd like to get to the point where - at least - this sort of thing only requires good timing rather than stopping the publisher, and ideally is transactional so you always get either all or none
[20:33] <jdstrand> cjwatson: looks like 736, based on what q accept tells me I had to do with unapproved in lucid-security for language-pack-
[20:33] <cjwatson> (IIRC copyPackages isn't transactional though)
[20:33] <micahg> cjwatson: stuff was also coming from 2 different sources (-proposed and -updates)
[20:34] <jdstrand> fwiw, I commented out temporarily the copy to -updates in sru-release since they are already there
[20:34] <cjwatson> jdstrand: wow.  one API request versus 736 might well make a serious difference then.
[20:34] <cjwatson> micahg: ok, two requests then :)
[20:34] <jdstrand> yeah, I was pretty surprised by that number before, and was resurprised today :)
[20:34] <jdstrand> I have to do it twice too
[20:34] <cjwatson> that might well just amount to good timing
[20:34] <jdstrand> ok maverick done
[20:35] <micahg> but both needed to be atomic, I guess the -proposed stuff could've been copied to -updates first, then copy everything to -security
[20:35] <cjwatson> strictly you only need to be confident of it completing before the next publisher run starts
[20:35] <cjwatson> if it takes five minutes or something, that's just timing
[20:36] <jdstrand> maverick had 770
[20:36] <jdstrand> ok, almost done with my bits
[20:38] <cjwatson> of course it's a bit awkward that you have to accept from the queue as well
[20:41] <jdstrand> it is
[20:43] <jdstrand> ok, cron job re-enabled
[20:45] <cjwatson> if copyPackages were restricted to the archive owner (I don't *think* it is ...) or if we had an alternative privileged interface, then we could arrange for that to bypass the queue
[20:46] <cjwatson> it goes through the queue right now because we're using an interface that only requires ordinary uploader privilegeq
[20:46] <cjwatson> s/q$//
[20:46] <jdstrand> interestingly, it seems there might be some logic there
[20:47] <jdstrand> the langpacks like I said I didn't copy to -updates (commented out those lines in sru-release)
[20:47] <jdstrand> those needed to be approved
[20:47] <jdstrand> but when bzr reverted sru-release and used it for firefox and mozvoikko for lucid-oneiric, I was told to look in the q, but they weren't there
[20:49]  * jdstrand checks again
[20:49] <jdstrand> oh, there they are
[20:49] <jdstrand> must have been another cron job
[20:50] <jdstrand> ok, all accepted
[21:16] <cjwatson> yes, PackageCopyJobs are processed by a cron job
[21:16] <cjwatson> it's every minute or two I think


 :D
[09:49] <Mister_Q> back to Germany. I was a few days in Israel for a customer
[09:54] <tsimonq2> oh okay :)
[10:19] <svij> dpm: FYI, just got the confirmation that bq will neither sponsor UbuCon europe nor do a talk :/
[15:15] <jose> mhall119: hey, will you be coming here for ubuconla?
[15:19] <pleia2> mhall119: ^^ you should, Lima is awesome
[15:20] <pleia2> I liked the ceviche and kennedy park
[15:20] <pleia2> jose: did I tell you the best meal of my life was in Lima? :d
[15:21] <jose> yes! Astrid & Gaston!
[15:21] <pleia2> yeah :)
[15:21] <jose> I haven't gone there... I should at some point
[15:21] <pleia2> went to the best restaurant in California a couple months ago, was like "nope, still no A&G"
[15:21] <popey> heh
[15:21] <popey> what kind of food?
[15:21] <jose> :P
[15:21] <jose> peruvian food, so... come here!
[15:21] <popey> hehehe
[15:21] <popey> never had peruvian food
[15:22] <pleia2> it's a tasting menu (like, 18 small courses) that incorporates local flavors with a very sophisticated spin, as you find in super fancy restaurants like this
[15:22] <pleia2> peruvian food is awesome, it's becoming more popular in the US
[15:23] <popey> awwwww
[15:32] <jose> popey: ubuconla for you?
[15:40] <mhall119> jose: you should ask dpm that :)
[15:40] <jose> we're only a month and a week away \o/
[15:41] <popey> +1
[15:50] <mhall119> where has 2016 gone?
[16:00] <tsimonq2> mhall119: ikr
[16:04] <dholbach> all rightie - I call it a day - see you next week Monday!
[19:11] <davidcalle> popey: is there a way to get more detailed store stats? Eg per revision?
[19:15] <popey> davidcalle: not that I am aware of. i filed a bug asking for more stats in a downloadable format
[19:18] <davidcalle> ok, ty
[20:19] <tsimonq2> \o/ Alpha 1
[20:52] <philipballew> Saw that. Pretty exciting stuff.


[01:43] <DanaG> Oh heya, if I install the new native 64-bit Flash 10, can I still have it run through nspluginwrapper?
[01:44] <crimsun> yes, but you will experience instability.
[01:45] <DanaG> Oh, is that why Flash was always crashy when I had 32-bit nspluginwrapper?
[01:46] <DanaG> What I mean is, on my 32-bit install, I used nspluginwrapper because it prevented Flash crashes from taking down Firefox.
[01:46] <DanaG> I'd like to still have that separation.
[01:46] <crimsun> nspluginwrapper was broken for a good long while
[01:46] <crimsun> it's much better now
[01:47] <crimsun> the native 64-bit Flash plugin is very stable, however.
[01:47] <DanaG> Ah, so perhaps I'll try without nspluginwrapper.  Thanks.
[01:48] <crimsun> jaunty's default flashplugin-nonfree installs the native 64-bit plugin on amd64.
[01:48] <DanaG> Cool.
[01:49] <DanaG> Here's something weird that happened with PulseAudio today: it was generating quite a lot of network traffic, even though I wasn't playing anything across the network.  It only went away when I disabled discoverability on both systems that had it enabled.
[02:10] <DanaG> Ooh, I have Fedora 10 in a VM... and the new splash thingy is nice.
[02:15] <acron17> hi there
[02:16] <acron17> the way to activate shmconfig as described for intrepid isn't working for jaunty
[02:16] <acron17> how can i activate shmcibfig in jaunty?
[02:16] <acron17> sry: how to activate shmconfig in jaunty?
[02:17] <DanaG> Oh yeah, instead of putting touchpad stuff in xorg.conf, it now goes in a hal fdi file (/etc/hal/fdi/policy/)
[02:17] <DanaG> example:
[02:17] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/19-synaptics.fdi
[02:18] <crimsun> yes, as with intrepid
[02:18] <acron17> sry. i doesn't work that way (for me at least)
[02:19] <acron17> i just upgraded from intrepid to jaunty. i have a shmconfig.fdi as described in the help-docs
[02:20] <acron17> it worked in intrepid but it stop working in jaunty...
[02:25] <acron17> if activation of shmconfig should work like in intrepid can someone give me hint how to find out whats going wrong?
[02:30] <DanaG> acron17: perhaps the ordering of the fdi files has changed?
[02:31] <DanaG> Heh, I fgiured out a nice way to crash Dasher: just try to enter aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.. and so on.
[02:31] <DanaG> It'll stop you for a while, but then you go down to other letters then backspace up again.... and you can make it crash.
[02:31] <DanaG> =þ
[02:31] <DanaG> Granted, writing aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa is not a normal use case for Dasher.
[02:31] <DanaG> =þ
[02:32] <acron17> DanaG: thanks for your answer but what would that mean?
[02:34] <acron17> i have three files in /etc/hal/fdi/policy/  appletouch.fdi preferences.fdi shmconfig.fdi
[02:35] <acron17> appletouch and shmconfig have both a line to activate shmconfig...
[02:40] <acron17> would hal log something about the fdi files somewhere?
[02:57] <DanaG> You should give them a number that puts them after the default touchpad fdi file somewhere in /usr/share/hal
[03:05] <acron17> hmm. seems like the synaptics driver isn't loaded by xorg...
[03:06] <acron17> gotta restart x
[03:13] <acron17> synaptics is now loaded but that didn't do the trick :-/
[03:16] <acron17> DanaG: it's getting quite late here, i'm off. thanks for your answers so far. bye
[03:21] <naught101> anyone managed to install digikam in jaunty?
[04:32] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I figured out how to separate the internal speakers and the headphone jack from each other in the Vista drivers for my ADI1984 chip, but without a PulseAudio for Windows, it's more of a hassle than an enhancement.
[05:05] <naught101> if a package can't be installed from the ubuntu repos due to wrong dependancy versions, is that a bug? should it be reported on launchpad?
[05:24] <naught101> does anyone else have a lack of thumbnails in konqueror/dolphin?
[06:35] <Hew> naught101: If the dependencies of a package are wrong, yes that is a bug that should be reported on Launchpad.
[06:51] <naught101> cool, thanks hew
[13:14] <marijus> hello, why do i get aiglx: screen 0 is not dri2 capable in my xorg log on intel i915?
[13:20] <gnomefreak> marijus: in intrepid?
[13:20] <gnomefreak> seing as xorg is missing packages atm
[13:21] <marijus> jaunty
[14:39] <frandavid100> hiya
[14:39] <frandavid100> is it still possible to download alpha 1?
[14:54] <Hew> frandavid100: Not from cdimage.ubuntu.com, but perhaps the torrents still work or there are some mirrors that still have it somewhere. The question is, why would you want alpha 1 rather than alpha 2?
[14:54] <frandavid100> because I can't get my nvidia drivers to work on alpha 2 :(+
[14:55] <frandavid100> it asks to remove xorg to install them
[14:55] <frandavid100> so I'd rather revert to alpha 1, install the drivers, then hold the xorg updates until that's fixed
[14:56] <Hew> frandavid100: Then you should be using Intrepid. If you were to install Jaunty alpha 1 you wouldn't be able to upgrade, negating the point of using the development release.
[14:57] <frandavid100> I can install alpha 1 and update all packages save xorg, though
[14:57] <Hew> frandavid100: Can you use nv or nouveau until xorg / nvidia is fixed?
[14:57] <Hew> frandavid100: If you want stability I really think you should be using Intrepid.
[14:59] <frandavid100> it seems nouveau is not installable, for some reason
[14:59] <frandavid100> as for nv, yeah I'll have to use it if I can't find alpha 1
[14:59] <frandavid100> I'd rather have 3d acceleration though!
[15:16] <emonkey> Hi there, I've got a problem with nvidia and xorg, it looks like there's a conflict between the packages. I can't install nvidia-glx without removing xorg. Any ideas?
[15:23] <Hew> emonkey: "A new XServer, version 1.6, is included in Alpha-2. The binary proprietary drivers -fglrx and -nvidia are not yet supported for this server and will exhibit various serious issues if run against it. Users of these drivers are encouraged to wait or to switch to the corresponding open source drivers (-ati and -nv respectively) in the meantime. bug 308410"
[15:29] <emonkey> Hew, thank you
[17:36] <kallu> what is the problem with plasma .. its eating 300MB of memory after a couple of hours of usage ... is it normal?
[19:51] <sparr> i moved my sources back to intrepid after fetching some things from jaunty
[19:57] <joaopinto> sparr, that is asking for troubles
[20:02] <CarlFK> sparr: take a look at dget - won't keep you from messing things up, just makes it easier :)
[20:04] <loic-m> spar, prevu is your friend
[20:04] <CarlFK> I have an external usb drive, simple one ext2 partition.  plug it into ibex, it gets mounted.  plug it int jaunty, all I get in dmesg is: [88267.904016] usb 4-1: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 6; [88268.039713] usb 4-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[20:05] <CarlFK> should I report that to lp, or will it get taken care of anyway?
[20:08] <nekostar> so i say this every round... how broken is this particular alpha?
[20:08] <sparr> CarlFK: does that interface with apt-get build-deps ?
[20:09] <sparr> i switched to jaunty for a bit to get some build dependencies for an intrepid package
[20:09] <nekostar> hrm ok note taken
[20:09] <CarlFK> sparr: hmm... don't know.  It's the same kinda thing, so I bet there is something like it
[20:10] <CarlFK> nekostar: assuming you could graph brokeness over time, I think it is about the same profile as any other build :)
[20:12] <CarlFK> It has it's ups and downs, and there is always the chance of total meltdown.  that chance is higher in the middle of the term, so about now :)
[20:12] <nekostar> CarlFK lol yeah.. think i'm gonna give a vm a try, might do a simple install or something ^^
[20:14] <nhandler> sparr: Why would you need jaunty packages to satisfy intrepid build-depends?
[20:14] <sparr> nhandler: poor packaging management
[20:14] <nhandler> sparr: What package?
[20:14] <sparr> avr-gcc
[20:15] <sparr> gcc-avr i mean
[20:16] <nhandler> And what build-depend did you need from jaunty?
[20:17] <sparr> binutils-avr
[20:17] <sparr> at the time, gcc-avr depended on binutils-avr 2.18, and the highest in intrepid was 2.16
[20:17] <sparr> it seems to have been fixed now
[20:17] <nhandler> At what time are you talking about?
[20:17] <sparr> err
[20:17] <sparr> sorry
[20:18] <sparr> depended on binutils-avr 2.18-4
[20:18] <sparr> and the highest in intrepid was 2.18-3
[20:18] <sparr> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcc-avr/+bug/297373
[20:19] <sparr> now it depends on >= 2.16.1-1 which is [more] correct
[20:20] <nhandler> Ok, as long as it is fixed. You might want to close that bug report now
[20:21] <sparr> didnt know it was fixed til just now
[20:21] <sparr> since ive got 2.18-4 installed
[20:22] <sparr> i dont think i can close bugs?
[20:22] <sparr> unless i am overlooking it
[20:23] <CarlFK> sparr: click the 'V' next to status
[20:25] <sparr> aha
[20:26] <sparr> thanks
[20:26] <CarlFK> jaunty isn't doing [160748.676236] usb-storage: device scan complete
[20:26] <CarlFK> how can I force that on a device that is plugged in?
[20:27] <sparr> ive found usb auto mounting comes and goes on approximately a one-release cycle...
[20:27] <CarlFK> heh
[20:27] <sparr> didnt work at all in edgy or gutsy, worked in feisty and hardy
[20:27] <CarlFK> it isn't even assigning it a /dev node
[20:28] <sparr> hit or miss in intrepid, depending on what mood the new kde crap is in
[21:52] <x1250> anyone also having very slow 2d with xserver-xorg-video-ati ?
[23:09] <Skiessi> !info ufw
[23:27] <DanaG> great... dosfsck just truncated my firefox preferences file to 0 bytes.
[23:28] <DanaG> Thaaanks, dosfsck,
[23:28] <DanaG> .
[23:30] <DanaG> /usr/bin/X11/X: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//radeon_drv.so: undefined symbol: exaDriverAlloc
[23:30] <DanaG> Had to switch to radeonhd driver; at least that works fine.
[23:54]  * WelshDragon test
[23:55]  * WelshDragon asd
[23:55] <nekostar> dsa
[23:55] <nekostar> tset
[23:57] <acron17> hi there. i activated SHMConfig (for synaptics) as described here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad
[23:57] <WelshDragon> thanks nekostar =P
[23:57] <nekostar> nbd :D
[23:58] <acron17> that did work with intrepid but fails as i upgraded to jaunty