[12:01] <pikashu> HrdwrBoB : do u know what i can do ?
[12:01] <HrdwrBoB> pikashu: that may not work
[12:01] <blah09> ok i just tested suspend to ram and disk and it works, so my question is, how do i edit the wiki? =)
[12:01] <HrdwrBoB> pikashu: or you may be out of range
[12:01] <Sav> gnumber9, the drive im mounting is user/pass protected. is there options for that in the fstab?
[12:01] <HrdwrBoB> pikashu: try setting the essid manually
[12:02] <pikashu> HrdwrBoB: mean N
[12:02] <pikashu> ?
[12:02] <pikashu> HrdwrBoB: i tried, but doesn't change
[12:02] <pikashu> ESSID:off/any
[12:02] <blah09> oh nvm theres an edit link lol
[12:03] <shock> ok - who got suspend working?
[12:03] <shock> what di i need to do?
[12:03] <jdub> pikashu: is this with ndiswrapper?
[12:03] <shock> (trying on an ibm thinkpad a20p)
[12:03] <jdub> shock: see the HoaryPM page on the wiki
[12:03] <pikashu> jdub: yes
[12:03] <shock> allright :)
[12:03] <jdub> pikashu: i had a similar issue when i tried ndiswrapper for the first time last night
[12:04] <jdub> pikashu: worth filing a bug, i'd say
[12:04] <aToaster> Where can I find a download for the Hoary live cd?
[12:04] <pikashu> jdub: and ?
[12:04] <gnumber9> sav, we should be prompted
[12:04] <pikashu> jdub:what can i do ?
[12:04] <pikashu> I use Linux ubuntu <IP_ADDRESS>.3
[12:04] <jdub> pikashu: well, delve more, file a bug, add your comments, if there is aproblem, hope it gets fixed :)
[12:05] <shock> hm
[12:05] <shock> nothing new there
[12:05] <shock> I was thinking along the line of "building an apm kernel"
[12:05] <shock> or something
[12:05] <shock> cause suspend worked fine on debian
[12:06] <pikashu> jdud:issues for ndiswrapper 1.0rc2
[12:06] <pikashu> :(
[12:07] <pikashu> HrdwrBoB:nope, i've a laptop near to desktop
[12:07] <pikashu> oups
[12:07] <gnumber9> sav, i'm having the same issue as you. however I use to do this to play my mp3's, but obviously I'm missing something
[12:07] <gnumber9> sav, check this out http://www.justlinux.com/nhf/Filesystems/Mounting_smbfs_Shares_Permanently.html
[12:08] <Sav> ok
[12:09] <gnumber9> sav, also the host name will have to be either the ip address or an alias you add to /etc/hosts
[12:09] <Sav> gnumber9, i used the ip
[12:09] <Dark_Kyo> i have a sound satured when i used xmms O_
[12:10] <gnumber9> sav, i just got it to work
[12:11] <Sav> ohhh
[12:11] <shock> while that kernel is compiling: anyone got a good link to a wallpaper site?
[12:11] <blah09> deviantart has a lot
[12:11] <Sav> gnumber9, how ow how how =)
[12:11] <shock> deviantart?
[12:11] <shock> hmkay
[12:11] <gnumber9> sav, in /etc/fstab replace 'rw,noauto' with defaults
[12:11] <shock> i heard that name befor
[12:11] <BiteMeBill> shock: http://www.linuxforum.com/linux_wallpaper.php
[12:11] <Sav> gnumber9, can u give me the exact line your using?
[12:12] <DonL> http://www.sensitivelight.com/
[12:12] <gnumber9> sav, then run 'mount -a' and you will be promted for a password
[12:12] <shock> thx all
[12:12] <DonL> I like these photos for wallpaper
[12:12] <blah09> shock theres a wiki page for suspend
[12:12] <gnumber9> sav, my line is this //<IP_ADDRESS>/bigdrive		/mnt/bigdrive		smbfs	defualts	0 0
[12:12] <blah09> oh nvm
[12:13] <blah09> gnumber are you connected to the network via wifi or wired lan?
[12:13] <Dark_Kyo> anyone know how to have a different wallpaper on all virtual desktop?
[12:13] <gnumber9> blah, why?
[12:13] <blah09> i tried to fstab my smb shares too, but they won't mount over wireless
[12:13] <blah09> i think that the wireless network gets started up too late in the boot process
[12:14] <gnumber9> blah, server is wired to router and laptop is wlan
[12:14] <blah09> and the shares mount on boot?
[12:15] <gnumber9> blah, haven't tried yet, but it used to be I was prompted for a pw, haven't tried mounting smb in fstab in a while
[12:15] <abiertos> hello Im Ernesto I need some help with telnet and ping tools
[12:16] <abiertos> I want to learn about 80 port
[12:16] <blah09> oh its a linux server?
[12:16] <blah09> i use //<IP_ADDRESS>/Music     /media/music  smbfs   credentials=/root/.smbcredentials,dmask=333,fmask=333   0       0
[12:16] <gnumber9> blah, always
[12:16] <blah09> doesnt smbfs mean samba is involved somehow?
[12:17] <abiertos> Im looking for a good php manual
[12:17] <gnumber9> blah, yes smbfs is for samba file system
[12:17] <blah09> hm
[12:17] <abiertos> Can you give me a little help with thtat
[12:17] <abiertos> that
[12:17] <gnumber9> blah, oops smb file syste,m
[12:17] <blah09> can i modify the order in which the system does things at boot?
[12:18] <gnumber9> blah, i think smb is an ibm creation
[12:18] <abiertos> There's a project in this place for to work with php
[12:18] <gnumber9> blah09, not sure
[12:18] <iapx8088> abiertos, what?
[12:19] <abiertos> I want to learn program in php and I need good manuals
[12:19] <gnumber9> sav, any luck
[12:19] <blah09> doh i was using the wrong mount points, thats embarrassing
[12:19] <blah09> brb reboot
[12:20] <Sav> gnumber9, nope, getting wrong fs type, bad opton, bad superblock again.
[12:20] <Sav> gnumber9, //<IP_ADDRESS>/ftp1        /mnt/smb_share  smbfs   defualts        0       0
[12:20] <ardiem> ive installed ubuntu amd64
[12:20] <ardiem> i want to know if apt-get is configured
[12:20] <sabine> How in the WORLD can I mount /boot/initrd.img so that it isn't read-only???
[12:21] <Phoenix_vanity> has anybody a working sample/site where html checkboxes with css color/background-color is shown? dunno if I'm making a mistake of firefox/mozilla is not supporting it...
[12:21] <guest_> to install source for cups what I issue?
[12:22] <gnumber9> sav, try defaults instead of defualts
[12:22] <gnumber9> sav, i can't spell
[12:25] <Sav> gnumber9, hmm
[12:25] <gnumber9> sav, can u see my pm
[12:26] <Sav> yep
[12:26] <DonL> Can you update from Warty to Hoary via apt-get, and if so, is it a good idea or should you wait for it to be more stable?
[12:26] <blah09> hm has anyone gotten acrobat to work?
[12:26] <blah09> you can, i have not had any problems with it
[12:26] <blah09> but its up to you =)
[12:27] <DonL> blah09, where do you go for the files?
[12:27] <blah09> just change all your repositories to hoary instead of warty
[12:27] <blah09> and remove the backports repository
[12:27] <blah09> then just do apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:27] <blah09> and hope for the best
[12:27] <DonL> Ah. Okay. Thanks
[12:27] <DonL> Maybe another day I'll feel daring. LOL
[12:28] <aToaster> where can I find a download for the live cd of Hoary?
[12:28] <DonL> blah09, I like xpdf and so I don't bother with Acrobat
[12:28] <blah09> atoaster: look at the topic
[12:28] <blah09> don does it integrate with firefox?
 blah09, I like xpdf and so I don't bother with Acrobat <-- dsno
[12:29] <shock> xpdf is way good
[12:29] <blah09> dsno?
[12:29] <DonL> Yes, quite well
[12:29] <toon> Hi, i am newly in Ubuntu (my first linux)
[12:29] <shock> its been a while since i looked at gnome-pdf
[12:29] <toon> i have a problem with playing mp3 files
[12:29] <shock> has it developed at all?
[12:29] <toon> it says i dont have the codec
[12:29] <toon> for mp3
[12:29] <toon> how can i fix it?
[12:29] <blah09> which program?
[12:29] <toon> euhm... both
[12:29] <toon> sec
[12:29] <toon> i check the name
[12:29] <blah09> xmms: sudo apt-get install mpeg123
[12:30] <toon> ah i do that
[12:30] <blah09> rhythmbox: sudo apt-get gstreamer0.8-mad
[12:30] <toon> in the terminal right?
[12:30] <blah09> yep
[12:30] <toon> k, i'll manage
[12:30] <toon> thx for the help!
[12:30] <blah09> np
[12:31] <blah09> so...
[12:31] <blah09> how do i make xpdf work with firefox?
[12:32] <MobyTurbo> blah09, xpdf doesn't have a plugin, but it can be made to automatically open downloading pdf files
[12:32] <DonL> blah09, I don't remember doing anything
[12:32] <blah09> oh
[12:32] <toon> it says 'package mepg123 not found'
[12:32] <`shane> I got mp3's working with this link:
[12:32] <`shane> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-16.3469703387/talkback/1104544141/view?searchterm=mp3%20support
[12:33] <`shane> I use xmms
[12:33] <guest_> blah09: are the mp3 codecs different between mpeg123 and gstreamer?
[12:33] <blah09> i dont know which mpeg123 uses, but gstreamer uses the mad library
[12:33] <blah09> oh sorry toon, i meant mpg123
[12:33] <cowbud> what is the magic package of doom that just updates when a latest and greatest kernel package is available (including source) or does such a thing exist?
[12:35] <toon> blah, it says it found it, but it's 2 old, and that there some other better package.. (cant say it in english, my ubuntu is in dutch)
[12:35] <bubbanga> how do you force an uninstall of a broken package? for some reason when i hit fix broken and apply it gives me an erro
[12:35] <toon> i go read some forums
[12:35] <blah09> cowbud linux-image-2.6.10-3
[12:36] <BiteMeBill> any idea why freenode does port scanning?
[12:37] <cowbud> blah09: right but when I do an upgrade I want it to update.. had -2 installed and now all of a sudden -3 is available..
[12:37] <iapx8088> BiteMeBill, to avoid people using wingates and proxies
[12:37] <BiteMeBill> iapx8088: hope they don't mind getting blocked.  LOL  # pages of it.
[12:37] <Xappe> have a little jam problem
[12:38] <blah09> oh like an autoupdater?
[12:38] <blah09> no idea..
[12:38] <blah09> why would you want that
[12:39] <bubbanga> quick question how do you force an uinstall of a deb package isn't it dpkg -r filename.deb?
[12:39] <stuNNed> is arts a bit fuxored in hoaryolios?
[12:39] <blah09> no idea i set everything to use esd
[12:39] <Xappe> or a friend has a little jam problem. i you compile an app with "jam" and install it with "jam install" then you would be able to uninstall it with "jam uninstall" right?
[12:39] <cowbud> blah09: why would I want to constantly keep tabs on what the latest ubuntu kernel is?
[12:40] <blah09> i mean its not like the difference is gonna be that great
[12:41] <DonL> I just check every four or five days
[12:41] <DonL> Synaptic makes it so easy
[12:41] <MobyTurbo> cowbud, you can use something like linux-686. This is a meta package that automatically pulls in the latest kernel.
[12:41] <toon> Hey just another thing, how can i acces my other NTFS partitions ?
[12:41] <toon> not possible?
[12:42] <cowbud> MobyTurbo: hrmm does it do source also?
[12:42] <srbaker> i have two sound cards.  how do i tell ubuntu which one to use?
[12:42] <MobyTurbo> You guys don't know about the new kludge...
[12:42] <MobyTurbo> cowbud, no, it doesn't do source.
[12:42] <blah09> kludge?
[12:42] <bubbanga> is there no way to force a page to not be broken :(
[12:42] <bubbanga> linux is giving me total hell tonight
[12:42] <toon> Does anyone have an idea how i can acces my NTFS partitions?
[12:43] <blah09> mount them
[12:43] <toon> how do i know their names?
[12:43] <toon> its on hd1
[12:43] <guest_> blah09: uname -a gives "<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386"... different to the linux image image version you just gave... can you explain?
[12:43] <blah09> thats the one you have installed
[12:43] <MobyTurbo> blah09, yes, kernel updating needing a meta package is a kludge.
[12:43] <bubbanga> make a mount point like mkdir /media/ntfsdrive
[12:43] <bubbanga> then chmod 777 it
[12:43] <blah09> toon: primary partition?
[12:43] <Xappe> noone for the jam question?
[12:43] <blackwings> I just got finished installing ARRAY-4 on my laptop which has a wired and a wireless NIC, should the install not have at least configured both in /etc/network/interfaces ?
[12:43] <toon> no ligical
[12:43] <toon> logical
[12:44] <blah09> should be hda5 then
[12:44] <toon> ah ok
[12:44] <blah09> if you have just 1
[12:44] <aToaster> toon: ubuntuguide.org
[12:44] <bubbanga> then mount -t ntfs /dev/(drivename) /media/ntfsdrive -o,ro dmask=777,fmask=777
[12:44] <toon> i have 5 ntfs partitions,
[12:44] <bubbanga> thts how i do it
[12:44] <toon> 2 fat partitions i think
[12:44] <toon> and a ext2 & ext3
[12:44] <blah09> i just have this in my /etc/fstab
[12:44] <nitrox_> How many people just downloaded MySQL for ubuntu or they installed via Synaptic
[12:44] <blah09> /dev/hda5       /mnt/docs       ntfs    defaults,ro,umask=022   0       0
[12:44] <wdh> hi ppls.. when i try to unmount my automatically mounted usbstick (umount /media/usbdisk), the system completely freezes.. anyone has any idea why that is?
[12:45] <toon> i go check it out
[12:45] <toon> thx
[12:45] <wdh> or how to change it?
[12:45] <nitrox_>  I want to install MySQL but i wanted to know the best route
[12:45] <nitrox_> Synaptic or Downloading and Compiling the source
[12:45] <BiteMeBill> nitrox_: just follows the ubuntuguide
[12:46] <wdh> nitrox_, depends completely on what you want.. apt is a good start at least.. you could always compile from source if you want additional features not compiled in by default
[12:46] <jdub> nitrox_: always use packages
[12:47] <nitrox_> Thanx again Jdub, you been very helpful today
[12:47] <DonL> I'm off for now. See ya later
[12:48] <wdh> hmmz.. there seems to be additional problems with the usbdisk.. i cannot remove all files because it says its mounted read only.. while most of the files are removed..
[12:49] <blackwings> anyone else install the latest on a wireless laptop?
[12:51] <snoopy> I cant get my cd burner to work, ubuntu detects it the device maneger
[12:51] <gsuveg> blackwings: what is 'latest' hoary ?
[12:52] <snoopy> and it worked under my old distro without any extra config
[12:53] <TheMuso> snoopy: What are you using to try and burn?
[12:53] <blah09> blackwings?
[12:53] <blah09> latest ubuntu?
[12:53] <blackwings> the ARRAY-4 cd
[12:53] <blah09> oh
[12:53] <hitu> snoopy: check out the FAQs
[12:53] <blah09> no i just apt-get upgraded to hoary
[12:53] <blah09> on dell inspiron 500m
[12:53] <blah09> suspend to ram/disk now work =)
[12:53] <snoopy> I'm trying to burn an iso file but it wont work for anything
[12:53] <Scognito> hi all
[12:53] <blackwings> gsuveg, array-4
[12:54] <Scognito> where i can get gtk-sharp ?
[12:54] <LesleyB> hello :) has anyone else had any problems with warty and gdm not starting ?
[12:54] <toon> Ok, it worked, i mounted a Primary NTFS partition. Now, how do i mount the NTFS partitions on my second hd. i need to find the name. is it hdb1 ? well i think i just go check /dev/
[12:54] <LesleyB> sometimes I can log in but it fails to bring up the desktop ; just get the background image
[12:54] <Kirsch> toon: u can use fdisk
[12:54] <TheMuso> snoopy: But what are you using to burn the iso?
[12:54] <hitu> snoopy: on console or on gui ?
[12:54] <Kirsch> toon: as long as u know if its hda, hdb, etc.
[12:55] <toon> Kirsch: I can use fdisk, just in linux?
[12:55] <toon> isnt that a Dos-app?
[12:55] <Kirsch> toon: yea, fdisk is not just windows
[12:55] <snoopy> I've tried just about every gui app I could find
[12:55] <TheMuso> snoopy: What is the error you get?
[12:56] <srbaker> are there cocoa bindings for ruby?
[12:56] <srbaker> whoops, wrong window
[12:56] <ArdieM> hi, im running ubuntu 4.1 x64 .. i want apt-get to work
[12:56] <snoopy> it cant find the drive
[12:56] <MobyTurbo> srbaker, Ruby has GNUstep bindings. (wrong window, sorry. :-) )
[12:56] <TheMuso> snoopy: Have you tried mounting a normal CD in it?
[12:56] <ArdieM> i think that apt-get isnt preconfigured @ the amd64 version... could someone help me please ?
[12:57] <snoopy> I can mount cds
[12:57] <TheMuso> Have you tried using the built-in CD burner in nautilus?
[12:57] <GNULinuxGeek> Hello all
[12:58] <shock> hoi
[12:58] <blah09> hi
[12:58] <Kirsch> hi
[12:58] <guest_> where does apt-get sources cupsys extract the sources?
[12:58] <snoopy> nautilus doesn't find it either
[12:58] <GNULinuxGeek> Can anyone steer me to a way to install KDE ?
[12:58] <wk1989> hi
[12:58] <TheMuso> snoopy: it is an IDE burner right?
[12:58] <Riddell> GNULinuxGeek: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingKDE
[12:58] <wk1989> i just installed WINE
[12:58] <snoopy> ide
[12:59] <TheMuso> guest_:  apt-get source packagename will place the source in the directory you are currently in.
[12:59] <wk1989> and I installed a windows program to c://programs
[12:59] <wk1989> now I can't find the program
[12:59] <wk1989> can somebody help me find the windows program I just installed?
[12:59] <Scognito> can someone please tell me if gtk-sharp is avaiable in ubuntu?
[12:59] <Xappe> check in .wine/c_drive
[12:59] <jdub> Scognito: it is
[12:59] <Xappe> or similar
[12:59] <TheMuso> snoopy: Are you using the user account that you created when installing?
[01:00] <snoopy> yes
[01:00] <iocaste> exit
[01:00] <Xappe> maybe it's .wine/drive_c
[01:00] <Dark_Kyo> an equivalent of dvdshrink exist on ubuntu for copy dvd backup?
[01:00] <TheMuso> snoopy: It may be worth trying from the command-line.
[01:00] <wk1989> Xappe: THX!!!!!1
[01:00] <wk1989> I found it!
[01:00] <ArdieM> why is evrybody ignoring me
[01:01] <chillywilly> I love Ubuntu
[01:01] <shock> ?
[01:01] <shock> ardie?
[01:01] <snoopy> but that still doesn't help my wire ;)
[01:01] <shock> whats the matter about apt?
[01:01] <Xappe> chillywilly, yes we know ;)
[01:01] <ArdieM> it doesnt work
[01:01] <guest_> TheMuso: what directory (to extract sources) is best practice?
[01:01] <ArdieM> i think there are no repos in my conf
[01:02] <TheMuso> snoopy: Are you running warty?
[01:02] <toon> Ubuntu linux is not so hard as it seems! :)
[01:02] <|Jamie|> Hi guys. I'm having trouble getting my ubuntu box on the net. I think its a DNS problem, but cant sus it out, could anyone help?
[01:02] <snoopy> yes
[01:02] <Scognito> jdub, can please tell me apt-cache policy ?
[01:02] <TheMuso> guest_: What I tend to do is create a source directory in my home directory, run apt-get source packagename. That command will download and extract the source.
[01:02] <Scognito> jdub  i'm missing something
[01:02] <BiteMeBill> |Jamie|: is ifconfig showing an ipaddress?
[01:02] <TheMuso> snoopy: Have you checked the permissions on the CD device?
[01:03] <snoopy> yes
[01:03] <Grendal> *yawn*....
[01:03] <Grendal> Evenin'
[01:03] <snoopy> first thought
[01:03] <ArdieM> where is the apt-get conf file (repos) and where can i get amd64 repos AND can i use x32 repos too ??
[01:03] <TheMuso> snoopy: Has it been working previously in Ubuntu?
[01:03] <|Jamie|> BiteMeBill: not entirely sure. I'll check in a second. I can ping google.co.uk, but I cant visit it using a browser.. does that point anything out?
[01:04] <BiteMeBill> |Jamie|: If your able to ping then your able to get out on the net.
[01:04] <snoopy> no
[01:04] <TheMuso> snoopy: Is this a fresh install?
[01:04] <wk1989> yo Xapper!, I've got  another problem
[01:04] <guest_> has a singlecd install got the tools needed to compile software (a printer driver)?
[01:04] <wk1989> how do I change the font of the application?
[01:05] <GNULinuxGeek> Thanks Riddell, I'm off!!
[01:05] <wk1989> because it's incredibly small!
[01:05] <Scognito> jdub, you there?
[01:05] <snoopy> I've been using it for a month or so
[01:05] <TheMuso> guest_: It should yes.
[01:05] <wk1989> So I want to change the font of it
[01:06] <TheMuso> snoopy: You aren't trying to use ide-scsi emulation are you?
[01:07] <snoopy> no
[01:07] <snoopy> never needed it
[01:07] <TheMuso> snoopy: I know, just checking.
[01:08] <toon> hey, whats the best location to put a game?
[01:08] <toon> is /media/ good?
[01:08] <TheMuso> snoopy: Have you checked any logs for error messages such as /var/log/messages?
[01:08] <blah09> i use /opt
[01:08] <snoopy> nope
[01:08] <blah09> dont know if thats "good" ;)
[01:08] <toon> doesnt matter i suppose
[01:09] <toon> i think i just mkdir /games/
[01:09] <TheMuso> snoopy: Might be worth having a look, especially when you boot NGOME and try and use the nautilus CD burner.
[01:09] <blah09> hehe
[01:09] <TheMuso> snoopy: As I don't really know what is going on.
[01:09] <snoopy> ok
[01:10] <toon> hey, the copy command is just copy or xcopy?
[01:10] <HrdwrBoB> er
[01:10] <HrdwrBoB> cp
[01:11] <toon> ah lol
[01:11] <toon> k
[01:11] <toon> :)
[01:11] <guest_> I saw this answer to earlier question...32
[01:11] <snoopy> theMuso: didn't see anything yet but thanks for the suggestion
[01:12] <guest_> I saw this answer to earlier question..."apt-get install acroread-plugin" for pdf plugin forfirefox ...courtesy of "ubuntuguide.org"
[01:13] <toon> Damn, my "dos" knowledge has some use after all... u need it to copy just a stupid file :)
[01:13] <toon> ubuntu wont let me copy files
[01:13] <hybrid> i have a question. i mounted my ngage as a harddrive now can i put a file system on there
[01:13] <BiteMeBill> toon use the sudo
[01:13] <toon> i always have to do it through terminal & sudo
[01:14] <toon> i just want to click & drag, using sudo is annoying, i have 500 files or so 2 copy
[01:14] <toon> that's typing 500 different command lines
[01:14] <BiteMeBill> toon: if you want to do it in nautilus just sudo nautilus
[01:14] <toon> nautilus?
[01:14] <toon> thats the name of my desktop?
[01:14] <toon> i use gnome?
[01:14] <blah09> hm
[01:14] <BiteMeBill> toon: and it will open nautilus with the proper permissions
[01:14] <blah09> how do i eject a cd? =/
[01:14] <toon> ah kk, i'll try it
[01:15] <Ribs> toon: nautilus is the name of the file manager Gnome uses
[01:15] <Ribs> blah09: move it to trash
[01:15] <blah09> ahh thanks
[01:15] <BiteMeBill> LMAO
[01:15] <blah09> a la apple
[01:15] <blah09> i know =(
[01:15] <BiteMeBill> I still can't get used to that method.
[01:16] <blah09> alt-f2 then typing eject seems to work too
[01:16] <WW> Is there an icon for the CD on the desktop?
[01:16] <Ribs> should be
[01:16] <Ribs> if there is a disc in the drive
[01:16] <blah09> hm
[01:16] <blah09> i dont have the icon anymore
[01:16] <WW> You could right-click on the icon, select eject.
[01:16] <lupus_> is there a function in gnome-control-center to change the background
[01:17] <blah09> of the desktop?
[01:17] <blah09> just right click on the desktop and select change background
[01:17] <BiteMeBill> blah09: thats too much like windoz..  Don't want billy to get mad about that.
[01:18] <abiertos> where is Ubuntu from?
[01:18] <blah09> heh
[01:18] <blah09> whats a good app to rip an audio cd to ogg?
[01:18] <blah09> rhythmbox?
[01:18] <blah09> sound juicer?
[01:18] <WW> blah09: sound juicer works for me.
[01:19] <Coily> is there one accepted method to speed up dns resolve?
[01:19] <jdub> abiertos: everywhere :)
[01:19] <blah09> hm you cant select quality =/
[01:19] <Coily> lookup/whatever
[01:19] <Coily> i dont believe no one knows the answer
[01:20] <BiteMeBill> Coily: do you know how many factors there are in that question?
[01:20] <Coily> im talking ubuntu only
[01:20] <Coily> not isp
[01:21] <Coily> not firefox
[01:21] <BiteMeBill> Coily: Internal or external DNS?
[01:21] <Coily> ex
[01:21] <blah09> is it just me or are the ubuntuforums kinda slow
[01:21] <BiteMeBill> Coily: thats the big one...  There are plenty of factors in that and mainly deal with your ISP
[01:22] <BiteMeBill> Coily: Or are you talking about Firefox's issue?
[01:22] <Coily> uh i thought you were referring to remote/local; yah i meant internal
[01:22] <toon> hey; how is the ATI support for linux btw?
[01:23] <toon> is it as good as nvidia?
[01:23] <blah09> dont think so
[01:23] <BiteMeBill> Coily: Well for that I'm not sure since I'm still just trying to get used to this.
[01:23] <guest_> can mp3's be converted to ogg's?
[01:23] <Coily> well ive seen stuff on the boards about 1.0 fixing such problems... but it's suggested i dont update
[01:23] <Ribs> guest_: They can be re-coded yes. But you'd loose some quality
[01:24] <guest_> Ribs:how?
[01:24] <Ribs> dunno
[01:24] <BiteMeBill> Coily: Now your talking about external again and not internal.
[01:24] <Ribs> you'd probabily have to save them out to a intermediate file first, then encode them into ogg
[01:24] <Coily> gah
[01:24] <toon> hey, whats the standard download location of Firefox?
[01:24] <Ribs> but I don't know of the programs to do this
[01:24] <toon> like /home/ orso?
[01:24] <Coily> let's just kernel/not the kernel
[01:25] <BiteMeBill> Coily: internal is inside your network or lan. (Workstation names and server names) External is the internet and websites.
[01:25] <toon> ah nvm i think i found it
[01:25] <Coily> what does firefox have to do with either
[01:26] <toon> well firefox doesnt ask where to put the file
[01:26] <toon> it just starts downloading
[01:26] <BiteMeBill> Coily: Firefox can browse the web and can boroswer the network pending on set up.
[01:26] <Coily> toon edit>pref>download
[01:26] <toon> kk thc
[01:26] <BiteMeBill> toon: set it in preferences
[01:27] <Coily> check all your options before asking
[01:27] <toon> euhm, how can i run a .run file? i read something bout    su ./filename.run    = correct?
[01:30] <zhukov> Hello.
[01:30] <Dark_Kyo> anyone perform a dvd backup under ubuntu?
[01:31] <zhukov> Can anyone please tell me how to add launchers to the gnome menu??
[01:31] <Anubis> W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://security.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_universe_binary-i386_Packages)
[01:31] <sabine> Hey, how do you use the memory registers in GNOME calculator? It always tells me 30000 wasn't a reasonable value to save??
[01:31] <blah09> grip works pretty nice for audio CDs
[01:32] <toon> how can i execute a .run file?
[01:32] <blah09> zhukov are you running warty?
[01:32] <Coily> zhukov search for an answer
[01:32] <zhukov> hoary
[01:33] <zhukov> i did
[01:33] <toon> ./file.run doesnt work like a website "told" me
[01:34] <Xappe> try sh file.run
[01:34] <toon> kk
[01:34] <BiteMeBill> zhukov: right clicking the  menus will tell you alot.  It's also called adding a launcher
[01:34] <Dark_Kyo> i can't make a dvd backup under ubuntu :-(
[01:35] <zhukov> no...what i want to do is add a launcher to the gnome menu
[01:35] <zhukov> not the panel
[01:36] <blah09> bye.
[01:36] <Coily> grr zhukov nautilus applications:///System
[01:37] <zhukov> Coily, already tried -> "applications:///System" is not a valid location.
[01:37] <Coily> pffft
[01:37] <Coily> are you sure you searched google?
[01:38] <Xappe> zhukov, Hoary?
[01:38] <zhukov> 'l do it again...
[01:38] <Skif> zhukov: check the mailing lists... ISTR reading that you can't get there from here
[01:38] <zhukov> yup
[01:38] <Xappe> applications:/// does not work in hoary
[01:38] <Xappe> the only way for now is to edit .desktop files manually
[01:39] <zhukov> oh thanks
[01:39] <Coily> LAFFO
[01:39] <Coily> good god
[01:39] <Coily> nautilus applications:///System
[01:40] <Coily> that is the command
[01:40] <zhukov> wont worl
[01:40] <zhukov> *work
[01:40] <Coily> what happens
[01:41] <zhukov> "applications:///System" is not a valid location.
[01:43] <Xappe> ...
[01:43] <Pugio> hey all, I have  a quick question - I have a friend's comp who I wan tto put ubuntu on
[01:44] <Pugio> only, Im'm pretty sure Hoary is stable enough for him to use (even though he's a complete newb)
[01:44] <Pugio> I currently have a couple of Warty disks
[01:44] <Xappe> applications:/// has not worked since I started using Hoary in the beginning of december at least
[01:44] <Pugio> so... should I just install that and upgrade to Hoary from there
[01:44] <Pugio> o
[01:44] <Pugio> so maybe I should just stick with Warty
[01:44] <Xappe> it's because of the new menu system
[01:45] <Pugio> Ok - what would people recommend for a first-time linux (and all around computer newb) ?
[01:45] <Xappe> warty
[01:45] <Pugio> oook then
[01:45] <Pugio> warty it is
[01:46] <Pugio> say, isn't hoary nearing release? I seem to remember warty coming out in October - that would put the new one in March right?
[01:46] <Coily> if you plan on setting up everything, it doesnt matter
[01:46] <Coily> ubuntu should prevent him from hurting himself
[01:46] <Pugio> so you're saying it doesn't matter if I put Hoary on?
[01:47] <Pugio> cause I want to make SURE it won't mess up on him or anything
[01:47] <Coily> he'll get more support with warty
[01:47] <Pugio> well, he won't get any support
[01:47] <Pugio> it'll all be through me
[01:47] <Pugio> he doesn't even know enough to get support
[01:48] <Pugio> when I say newb, I mean he didn't even know that Windows was his (former) OS
[01:48] <Xappe> hoary is still development and things'll still break now and then
[01:48] <Pugio> or, specifically, what an OS was
[01:48] <Pugio> well then, Warty it is
[01:48] <Pugio> I'll go install that now
[01:48] <Pugio> thanks for the input
[01:48] <Coily> aww, just lost a beta tester
[01:48] <Pugio> :)
[01:48] <Pugio> I'll test it myslf
[01:49] <Pugio> I have the PPC LiveCD that just came out - works great! (great hw detection on my wireless cards)
[01:49] <Xappe> i don't think a person not knowing his windows version can be trusted as a beta tester ;)
[01:49] <Pugio> I would have to agree on that :)
[01:49] <Pugio> Warty it is
[01:50] <Pugio> ok, adiyos - i'm gonna go install it on his machine now
[01:50] <Pugio> thanks
[01:50] <Coily> glhfgg nextmap
[01:50] <zhukov> thats tricky...
[01:50] <zhukov> wouldnt he notice the full screen logo saying windows XXX
[01:51] <Skif> zhukov: that assumes he ever paid any attention to it.  Most likely, it's *push power button* *go off and do other things for a while* *come back and it's booted*
[01:52] <HrdwrBoB> Skif: people turn off computers now :/
[01:53] <Skif> HrdwrBob: I've noticed less-technical people tend to turn off computers more than techie types, who just use swsusp2 :)
[01:53] <Coily> ive kept my moniter on as well... not fun
[01:53] <HrdwrBoB> I don't even bother with that
[01:53] <Coily> it got passed over from tv always on
[01:54] <Coily> problem: burn
[01:54] <zhukov> i only turn the laptop off...the server tendsto be on 24/7 except when my sister is left alone. When I come back, 99,99% of times, the server is off... :P
[01:55] <Xappe> my comp sounds like a tractor, so I have to turn it off to be able to sleep
[01:55] <zhukov> Xappe, i was having the same prob. So i unplugged fans and fans...
[01:55] <zhukov> and changed room
[01:56] <zhukov> :D But that was just because i crashed the bed.
[01:56] <Xappe> i don't have the option to change room
[01:57] <hazmat> how does one install ubuntu from a live cd (hoary-array4)
[01:57] <zhukov> :) unplug fans. So far i've only damaged a graph card
[01:57] <zhukov> Its all matrix.like...
[01:57] <Xappe> can't afford any damage
[01:58] <zhukov> Xappe, it wasnt intentional :D Atempting a 0 dB server...
[01:58] <Xappe> well, that's almost intentional
[01:58] <Xappe> ;)
[01:59] <Xappe> and I need my gfx to play games
[01:59] <zhukov> Its possible with a 8 mb card (fanless) not with a 32 with a 60mm fan...So insted of changing cards (too much work) i unpluged the fan :P  <-- Idiot.
[01:59] <zhukov> Next day: iwconfig ... WTF?
[02:00] <Xappe> don't think my radeon 9600 pro 128 would like the fan unplugged
[02:00] <Xappe> nor my athlonXP
[02:02] <Xappe> then I just have the power supply left to unplug
[02:03] <zhukov> make a fanless one :) I was a OC maniac, but in univ i must sleep in the same room as the machine. Then i realised all the fuss abou silence...
[02:03] <HrdwrBoB> haha
[02:03] <HrdwrBoB> silence = good
[02:03] <zhukov> yup
[02:04] <zhukov> i dont mind loosing 500 MhZ to silence
[02:04] <HrdwrBoB> get a current generation nvidia card and an athlon64
[02:04] <HrdwrBoB> both of which change speeds of chips and fans
[02:05] <stuNNed> HrdwrBoB: haha wish i had athlon64, have nvidia 6800ultra here and i'm capped by a p4 2.4ghz :|
[02:07] <Pugio> mac mini
[02:07] <Pugio> extremely quiet
[02:07] <zhukov> P2 350-8mb card + athXP2K6-128mb card + Pmobile 1.4 - 64 mb shared card
[02:07] <Pugio> and that is....?
[02:07] <Pugio> you're systems?
[02:08] <zhukov> oh and a 48K spectrum...and two 386 Schneiders :D
[02:08] <zhukov> yup
[02:08] <Pugio> hmmm
[02:09] <Pugio> I have some Mac Addicts in my house so... 1x dual 2ghz G5, 1x dual 1ghz G4, 1x dual 867 mhz G4, 2x 450 mhz G4, 1x 500 mhz G3, 1x 1.5ghz G4 (powerbook)
[02:09] <Pugio> plus a bunch of 233 G3's in the attic
[02:10] <sri> any idea when the mouse cursors for ubuntu will be fixed?
[02:10] <zhukov> Pugio, wanna sell the 233s?
[02:10] <zhukov> :D
[02:10] <warty> Does anybody here run on linux?
[02:10] <zhukov> !
[02:11] <Skif> warty: I tried it once, but I kept having to buy new shoes
[02:11] <Linksman> warty: What are you trying to find out?
[02:11] <warty> lol...  No, seriously.
[02:11] <guest_> "/etc/init.d/cupsys start" spews out 'cupsys: Child exited with status 99!" whats this?
[02:11] <sri> Skif: yeah, same here.
[02:12] <warty> Um, for starters, how do I create an admin account for myself... I'm used to windows and I'm trying to switch over.
[02:12] <sri> you can get admin privs if you do sudo <something>
[02:12] <sri> you type in your user password
[02:12] <sri> and thast it
[02:12] <warty> Where?
[02:12] <sri> on the command line
[02:12] <warty> I'm running on a live disk.  '
[02:12] <sri> ah
[02:12] <sri> ack
[02:13] <sri> i Don't htink it matters.
[02:13] <Pugio> warty
[02:13] <warty> On the command line?  But I don't have a password setup yet, I don't have an account
[02:13] <Pugio> you never have an actual admin account
[02:13] <sri> warty: well first off, what do you want to do?
[02:13] <Linksman> warty: you can type sudo -s and then you'll only have to enter your password once.
[02:13] <Linksman> On the live CD, your password is, I think, guest
[02:13] <Linksman> Is that right, everybody?
[02:13] <Pugio> if you're new, let me explain the workings behind this
[02:13] <sri> warty: to get the command line it's right click "Terminal" I think.
[02:14] <Slant> If a package bug is found in Ubuntu, and it also exists "upstream" in Debian, where should the bug be reported?
[02:14] <sri> okay, I gotta run home.. :) goodluck warty :)
[02:14] <warty> Okay, I'm all ears..
[02:14] <Pugio> In every linux system there is an account called "root"
[02:14] <Pugio> taht root account IS the system - it is all powerful
[02:14] <Pugio> it can do anything
[02:14] <Pugio> which means it's very dangerous
[02:14] <Pugio> to use, as you may destroy your system
[02:15] <DAC1138> when i hoary supposed to be released officially?
[02:15] <Pugio> however, certain operations are required to be run "as root"
[02:15] <Pugio> what this means is that they need to have system privileges
[02:15] <steve_> I had problems with hoary
[02:15] <Pugio> when this occurs, you type in the password that you've set for root
[02:15] <steve_> I am not sure it is ready
[02:15] <Pugio> on a livecd, the password is either blank or undefined
[02:15] <shock> running hoary happily here
[02:15] <Pugio> if it's undefined, then you need to set it
[02:16] <DAC1138> shock i ran the live version, when is the official version going to be ready?
[02:16] <Pugio> the easiest way to do this is to type in "passwd root" on the terminal command line
[02:16] <warty> I see.  and I do that by typing that in on the command line.
[02:16] <Xappe> only problem with hoary right now is mouse cursor and gtk-engines i think
[02:16] <Pugio> you can get to the terminal through the application menu (top left) - it should be in the bottom category (Called System or Utilities)
[02:16] <Pugio> right
[02:16] <shock> hoary is supposed to be released in like april?
[02:16] <Pugio> that sets the root password
[02:16] <shock> something like that
[02:17] <warty> It says, "You may not view or modify password information for root.
[02:17] <Pugio> the "sudo" command stands for "super user do" (super user being root)
[02:17] <Pugio> ok then type "sudo passwd root"
[02:17] <Pugio> sudo is used to temporarily assume root powers for the duration of a single command
[02:17] <DAC1138> shock yeah, im reading april too, april 6th
[02:17] <Pugio> that way you can execute a command "as root" without staying on the root level - this reduces the chance that you'll blow your system up with a misplaced command
[02:17] <warty> Okay, I set the password.
[02:18] <Pugio> well then
[02:18] <DAC1138> think ill install hoary anyway.
[02:18] <DAC1138> how did they choose the name hoary?
[02:18] <Pugio> ok, one final point about "admin" accounts
[02:18] <DAC1138> for such an innocent wholesome distro, why hoary?
[02:18] <Pugio> "why warty?"
[02:18] <mike998> I got a problem geting my wireless card up and running - can anyone help me
[02:19] <Pugio> warty: only certain accounts have the power to run the "sodo" command
[02:19] <DAC1138> warty isnt as obscene as hoary
[02:19] <Pugio> erm "sudo"
[02:19] <Xappe> warty the warthog and hoary the hedgehog
[02:19] <Pugio> any account that is able to run "sudo" is an admin
[02:19] <warty> I understood.
[02:19] <Pugio> more or less
[02:19] <Pugio> well, that should do it then
[02:19] <mike998> ndiswrapper -l shows that the driver is installed
[02:20] <warty> Okay.  Thanks for your help Pugio.
[02:20] <Pugio> zhukov - I might be willing to sell them :)
[02:20] <Pugio> warty: np
[02:20] <DAC1138> anyone using hoary on a laptop?
 how did they choose the name hoary? <-- maybe they went the good old-fashioned way: drank too much coffe, had a nice smoke and laughed their arses off while thinking of it
[02:20] <steve_> hey mike
[02:20] <Pugio> I'm gonna have to agree with shock
[02:20] <steve_> I am no genius
[02:20] <shock> i am running hoary on a powerbook, does that count
[02:20] <mike998> but I am getting a SIOCSIFADDR: No such device
[02:20] <steve_> but have you done iwconfig
[02:20] <mike998> yep
[02:21] <steve_> what came back
[02:21] <mike998> wlan0 doesn't show up
[02:21] <steve_> really
[02:21] <mike998> i get lo, eth0 and sit0
[02:21] <DAC1138> shock not really, i have a PC question. macs are perfect, so no questions there
[02:21] <steve_> what computer and card do you have
[02:21] <steve_> internal, or external
[02:21] <TongMaster> can someone refresh my memory, is "Configuration Intro" the first screen after the initial phase of installation?
[02:21] <mike998> internal
[02:21] <steve_> what computer
[02:21] <mike998> it's a dell inspiron 1150
[02:22] <steve_> I have an 1100
[02:22] <shock> youldnt call them perfect
[02:22] <steve_> and a toshiba
[02:22] <shock> but their damn good hardware
[02:22] <mike998> you got them up and running wireless
[02:22] <shock> i am trying to get it to run on an a20p, too
[02:22] <steve_> the toshiba, yes
[02:22] <steve_> the dell has an external card
[02:22] <steve_> still muddling with that one
[02:22] <shock> and i have it running on an athlon1.4 and p2 300 and an p4 2.3 or something
[02:23] <shock> so i guess i kindof gone all thru the line ;)
[02:23] <mike998> hmmm - i am round at a friend's right now actually gotta leave in a bit
[02:23] <mike998> i will look into this later
[02:23] <mike998> cheers anyroad
[02:23] <steve_> yeap
[02:24] <steve_> mike check this link out http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/2004/09/msg00187.html
[02:25] <mike998> hmmm thanks, steve_
[02:25] <billytwowilly>  hmm. anyone else experiencing downtime with msn?
[02:25] <mike998> yep
[02:25] <mike998> msn is down
[02:25] <DAC1138> looks like they're working on suspend/standby in hoary. this is why im asking about using hoary on a laptop, i have a laptop, and no kernel ive built or distro ive used has worked with suspend/standby
[02:26] <DAC1138> billytwowilly i am
[02:26] <DAC1138> billytwowilly msn messenger. happens all the time
[02:26] <steve_> your welcome mike
[02:26] <Pugio> it's really hard to do suspend/standby
[02:26] <mike998> check out http://messenger.msn.com SFW
[02:27] <Pugio> btw, can you do that on a desktop in ubuntu?
[02:27] <DAC1138> just looking at the hoary release goals i can see ubuntu is a real linux distro with their arse in gear
[02:27] <mike998> MSN webmessenger is down as well
[02:27] <Pugio> DAC1138: yes they are
[02:28] <DAC1138> Pugio works find on the toshiba i have, but this gateway has never suspended. a realy battery waster. i have to shut down if im going to "standby" and start up again when i want to use the laptop again
[02:28] <thundrcleeze> is hoary fairly stable now?
[02:28] <billytwowilly> hoary has always been really stable for me...
[02:28] <Pugio> so they say
[02:28] <DAC1138> i havent seen a linux distro so organized and open. mandrake is all closed and confusing about their release versions "10.0 official, community, download edition, etc...)
[02:28] <randabis> yeah, msn appears to be down
[02:29] <thundrcleeze> wow.  Any problems, billy?
[02:29] <steve_> I have a toshiba and it will not hibernate or suspend by itself
[02:29] <St4r533d> hola! :D
[02:30] <randabis> I've been on hoary almost a month now
[02:30] <DAC1138> steve_ by itself? so theres a way to do it manually?
[02:30] <steve_> this is a command to do so
[02:30] <randabis> switched from warty about one week into my ubuntu experience
[02:30] <Pugio> ?
[02:30] <billytwowilly> thundrcleeze, not really. It's just like running debian unstable, but more stable;)
[02:30] <guest_> ifconfig seems to indicate ipv6 is on (second line in all entries starts with 'inet6') ... how do work only with ipv4?
[02:30] <steve_> but it you normally cant bring it back
[02:30] <DAC1138> oh, so its not a hardware problem, its a command problem? any computer can just run the command and it will standby?
[02:30] <steve_> by pressing the power button
[02:30] <bitfoo> anyone get fglrx to work in hoary
[02:30] <Pugio> steve_ do tell, what command is this?
[02:30] <steve_> well, I am not computer tech guy
[02:30] <shock> depends... sometimes it is
[02:31] <billytwowilly> thundrcleeze, actually, now that I think about it, I did have one problem where I dist-upgraded right in the middle of them uploading stuff.. that was unzesty;) And the new ati drivers were bugging me up until today.
[02:31] <shock> ups
[02:31] <steve_> believe it or not, I asked and got it in here
[02:31] <steve_> I dont use it anymore
[02:31] <steve_> I cannot bring my computer back after
[02:31] <thundrcleeze> Guest_, www.ubuntuguide.org/#disableipv6-mozilla
[02:31] <steve_> I have to totally restart when I do
[02:31] <Pugio> so basically, there's no point to it
[02:31] <steve_> at least right now
[02:31] <bitfoo> i have it edited in my xorg.conf to use fglrx but its still using mesa drivers :/
[02:32] <randabis> I haven't had too many problems with hoary thus far...other than a few universe packages not working
[02:32] <steve_> i tried hoary and had issues
[02:32] <steve_> with my midi sound and various small packages
[02:32] <billytwowilly> oh yah, kde isn't setup right.. Which is sad, because KDE rocks.
[02:33] <dan_bernardic> Hi, Would someone please point me in the direction where the set up of ATI drivers, and that can be found?
[02:33] <DAC1138> billytwowilly do you use gdm as the login manager? or gdm still
[02:33] <billytwowilly> gdm still yes.
[02:33] <billytwowilly> I didn't want to messup my semi tweaked gnome desktop
[02:34] <steve_> check this out, it might have some stuff for you dan http://ubuntuguide.org/
[02:34] <Pugio> themes
[02:34] <thundrcleeze> billytwowilly, have you heard of kubuntu?
[02:34] <billytwowilly> thundrcleeze, no.
[02:34] <randabis> kubuntu is developed within hoary already
[02:34] <Pugio> people, ubuntu (and I'm sorry to say this) looks ugly - I need themes
[02:34] <billytwowilly> But I can imagine it will be good.
[02:34] <randabis> the kde in hoary is kubuntu
[02:34] <thundrcleeze> www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Kubuntu
[02:34] <billytwowilly> Pugio, gnomefiles.org and othe rplaces have themes.
[02:34] <Pugio> just note, the Gnome version will have a bit more finish
[02:34] <dan_bernardic> Well, cause you dont like it, its noit ugly still...
[02:34] <randabis> Pugio, http://www.gnome-look.org
[02:34] <Pugio> cause more work is put into it
[02:35] <bitfoo> Why won't my fglrx drivers load in hoary/xorg??
[02:35] <Pugio> dan : you are, of course, correct
[02:35] <dan_bernardic> heh
[02:35] <dan_bernardic> :)
[02:35] <Pugio> to amend that : "I think that it looks ugly, according to my personal tastes"
[02:35] <randabis> sorry, but the brown background IS ugly
[02:35] <billytwowilly> thundrcleeze, yah, I must be running the kubuntu kde packages then. It's ugly.
[02:35] <Riddell> billytwowilly: what's not right about them?
[02:35] <randabis> it turns off a LOT of people to the distro at first
[02:36] <jirwin> hello
[02:36] <billytwowilly> thundrcleeze, they still use the ubuntu menu, which doesn't have any of the kde config stuff in it for one.
[02:36] <DAC1138> Pugio i think art.gnome.org has themes
[02:36] <dan_bernardic> Anyhow, does anyone by any chance know where the installation of ATI graphic cards is shown?
[02:36] <billytwowilly> err. that was for Riddell, my bad.
[02:36] <Pugio> randabis: you said it
[02:36] <bitfoo> its in the wiki...
[02:36] <jirwin> would anyone be able to help me get my mp3 player running in ubuntu
[02:36] <DAC1138> jirwin what one?
[02:36] <jirwin> rio s35s
[02:36] <jirwin> it should be supported by rioutil
[02:36] <thundrcleeze> I think there's a couple rio packages.
[02:36] <Pugio> I can't tell you how many times people have seen that plain brown desktop and backed off
[02:36] <billytwowilly> dan_bernardic, fire up synaptic and install the driver... edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf to fglrx where it says ati. Easy as pie;)
[02:36] <jirwin> but I don't know how to mount it
[02:37] <bitfoo> billytwowilly, that doesnt work :|
[02:37] <randabis> I hope the hoary art team has taken that into consideration and will provide default ubuntu with a different background...it could be exactly the same as long as it's a different color imho
[02:37] <DAC1138> Pugio luckily eyecandy will come in hoary final :-)
[02:37] <bitfoo> for me at least, it still uses mesa :|
[02:37] <Pugio> really?
[02:37] <billytwowilly> bitfoo, That's how I did it...
[02:37] <Pugio> GREAT
[02:37] <randabis> I'd like to see human in a variety of colors as well
[02:37] <bitfoo> regardless of manually editing xorg.conf or running xorgconfig
[02:37] <Riddell> billytwowilly: yeah, I need to work out how the menus work and sort out stuff
[02:37] <jirwin> i installed the the rio packages...but not sure how to mount the mp3 player
[02:37] <DAC1138> Pugio art.gnome.org im looking at it now, it has some really nice wallpapers and themes
[02:37] <randabis> check gnome-look too
[02:37] <billytwowilly> Riddell, are you running the kubuntu project?
[02:38] <Riddell> billytwowilly: I'm part of it
[02:38] <Pugio> Dac1138 such as?
[02:38] <noobuntu> hello all... I wondered if I could get some help with php on apache...
[02:38] <Pugio> I don't suppose there's any "total conversion" themes that upgrade the whole deal at once?
[02:38] <billytwowilly> Riddell, If it makes you feel better, KDE in hoary is WAY better than kde in warty:)
[02:38] <Pugio> sure noobuntu - what's th eissue?
[02:38] <DAC1138> randabis wow, gnome-look, awsome. i always used kde-look.org, never knew about gnome
[02:38] <DAC1138> Pugio such as what?
[02:39] <Riddell> billytwowilly :)
[02:39] <randabis> I like my gnome. :p
[02:39] <billytwowilly> Riddell, Keep up the good work. I really hope KDE improves in ubuntu. I love ubuntu, but KDE destroys gnome..
[02:39] <randabis> http://www.lynucs.org/index.php?screen_type=1&screen_id=2000493974207a3fd94d89&m=screen
[02:39] <DAC1138> mac hack!
[02:39] <noobuntu> I have downloaded and installed apache, and I thought I had done the same for php but when I try to hit my php page, nothing shows up..
[02:39] <randabis> lolz
[02:39] <billytwowilly> although GTK has some really good apps built for it.. ie evolution, oo.org, firefox..
[02:40] <Pugio> DAC1138 dunno, these pacakges look like I have to update each part individually, I want something that'll change the entire look of the desktop at once
[02:41] <bitfoo> billytwowilly, - "Config it generates is only for XFree86 - it has wrong filename, and even if you change it, it won't -work with X.org"
[02:41] <DAC1138> Pugio im not sure youll find anything like that for gnome, unless its an apt-get package or rpm or something
[02:41] <bitfoo> This will be fixed in the next release, unfortunately it slipped through. <- Feb 2nd. :(
[02:41] <billytwowilly> bitfoo, are you on warty or hoary?
[02:41] <noobuntu> does anyone here know anything about apache and php on ubuntu?
[02:41] <bitfoo> hoary
[02:41] <DAC1138> brb, reboot (windows, pff)
[02:42] <billytwowilly> bitfoo, Don't run any of the ati config stuff. It's the devil.
[02:42] <bitfoo> i didnt run any of that
[02:42] <bitfoo> i installed the ubuntu package
[02:42] <billytwowilly> bitfoo, apt-get the driver and then hand edit your xorg.conf file.
[02:42] <bitfoo> i did as i said before
[02:42] <bitfoo> bitfoo@horus:~$ glxinfo | grep vendor
[02:42] <bitfoo> server glx vendor string: SGI
[02:42] <bitfoo> client glx vendor string: ATI
[02:42] <bitfoo> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
[02:42] <randabis> Pugio try some of the GTK 2.x ones
[02:42] <billytwowilly> bitfoo, there's lots of chatter in here, I must have missed what you said.
[02:43] <noobuntu> anyone...?
[02:43] <bitfoo> s'all good :D
[02:43] <Pugio> noobuntu sorry ,afk for as ec
[02:43] <Pugio> oook
[02:43] <felipe__> Is ubuntu based on debian?
[02:43] <billytwowilly> bitfoo, run glxgears. If you are getting over 1000 fps, you're running the binary drivers;)
[02:43] <Pugio> yse
[02:43] <bitfoo> i know
[02:43] <bitfoo> i get 200fps
[02:43] <bitfoo> :|
[02:43] <randabis> felipe__, yes it is
[02:43] <Pugio> noobuntu what's the problem again?
[02:44] <noobuntu> s'okay... what's "afk"?
[02:44] <thundrcleeze> brb
[02:44] <jirwin> away from keyboard
[02:44] <Pugio> away from keyboard
[02:44] <Pugio> so what's the issue
[02:44] <billytwowilly> bitfoo, can I private message you? It's hard to follow in here.
[02:44] <noobuntu> oh... :)
[02:44] <bitfoo> sure
[02:44] <DAC1138> do you guys think napster will every port to linux? wine maybe?
[02:44] <felipe__> Is it possible to apt-get and stuff?
[02:44] <randabis> felipe__, oh course :)
[02:44] <jirwin> does anyone in here know how to mount a usb mp3 player
[02:44] <randabis> oh = of
[02:45] <felipe__> but must be used the debian repositories or is there a ubuntu repository??
[02:45] <noobuntu> pugio: When I try to load a php page, it asks me what app to use to open it, which tells me php isn't installed properly
[02:45] <Pugio> jirwin : like a normal usb flash drive
[02:45] <Pugio> noobuntu : you ARE running ubuntu?
[02:45] <randabis> felipe__, ubuntu has its own repositories...you "can" use some debian repositories with it, but you have to be VERY careful
[02:45] <jirwin> ok
[02:45] <jirwin> let me try that
[02:45] <felipe__> billytwowilly I got 70 FPS while running glxgears :(
[02:45] <Pugio> noobuntu : talk in the message
[02:46] <Pugio> heeelloo
[02:46] <felipe__> randabis THats cool! Is ubuntu's repositories more up-to-date??
[02:46] <Pugio> nm, sorry :)
[02:46] <Pugio> felipe__ sort of, it has packages configured specifically for ubuntu
[02:46] <jirwin> how can I monitor dmesg?
[02:47] <jirwin> tail?
[02:47] <felipe__> randabis is i.e. Xorg available? Php5?
[02:47] <felipe__> Pugio What is its webpage so I can se the packages available?
[02:48] <randabis> felipe__, in the development release, called hoary
[02:48] <randabis> warty is the current stable release and is pretty much debian sarge
[02:49] <randabis> hoary is more like debian sid, but even more up to date
[02:49] <randabis> in april, hoary will freeze, and become a stable release
[02:49] <felipe__> randabis sarge is the last debian's release isnt it??
[02:50] <randabis> felipe__, it's debian's unstable branch that will hopefully become a stable release sometime soon
[02:50] <randabis> debian's release cycle is much slower than ubuntu's
[02:50] <Pugio> randabis: that screenshot of a mac looking linux
[02:50] <Pugio> ?screen_type=1&screen_id=2000493974207a3fd94d89&m=screen
[02:50] <Pugio> http://www.lynucs.org/index.php?screen_type=1&screen_id=2000493974207a3fd94d89&m=screen
[02:51] <Pugio> who/what is that?
[02:51] <guest_> thundrcleeze: the url on disabling ipv6 is specific to mozilla ie,a mozilla feature
[02:51] <randabis> that's my desktop
[02:51] <randabis> and it's gnome
[02:51] <felipe__> randabis I c! Thats cool!! but is there a url where I can check out the packages available in ubuntu??
[02:51] <Pugio> randabis: how?? tell me how!!!
[02:51] <felipe__> randabis I guess I found it
[02:51] <randabis> felipe__, http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[02:53] <randabis> Pugio, a theme from Gnome-look, some mac icons, gdesklets, Terminal, that's about it
[02:53] <felipe__> randabis thx man!
[02:53] <randabis> np
[02:53] <guest_> thundrcleeze: i do not want to see ipv6 related information on issuing 'ifconfig'
[02:54] <randabis> oh, I'm using Apple Garamond fonts too
[02:55] <felipe__> randabis Xorg is there indeed! But php5 seems not
[02:55] <Pugio> OK QUESTION
[02:55] <shock> hui
[02:56] <Pugio> i'm working with noobuntu on getting his apache to work
[02:56] <Pugio> but he seems to have a weird install of it
[02:56] <guest_> thundrcleeze:actually specifying an ipv4 address to the loopback device (ifconfig lo <IP_ADDRESS>) works...
[02:56] <guest_> thundrcleeze:... now Ihave
[02:56] <jmhodges> hehe, building ubuntu kernels with extra patches with buildpackage is both fun and time consuming
[02:56] <randabis> felipe__, hmm, guess it won't make it into hoary then. Maybe it'll be in the release after hoary
[02:56] <Pugio> so, does apache normally require you to go to http://localhost/apache2-default/ ?
[02:56] <Pugio> (on ubuntu of course)
[02:57] <jmhodges> Pugio: move that apache2-default directory away and put in your own data
[02:57] <felipe__> randabis I c! I am currently using debian sarge...COuld you tell me any advantages of ubuntu over debian?
[02:57] <jmhodges> Pugio: thats all it takes
[02:57] <Anubis> Hoarty is going ot be fantastic
[02:58] <kobs> felipe__ !
[02:58] <odyssey> Anubis, hoarty?
[02:58] <guest_> thundrcleeze: ... cups works on localhost:631 now. But the ipv6 related output on issuing 'ifconfig lo' remains
[02:59] <randabis> felipe__, much faster release cycle, packages are more up to date, backed by a billionaire (lol), free cds shipped at no charge, probably others
[02:59] <odyssey> oh and Anubis lost his mothership
[02:59] <billytwowilly> He's a billionaire?
[02:59] <randabis> Mark Shuttleworth is yes
[02:59] <randabis> I heard billionaire
[02:59] <randabis> could be wrong
[03:00] <jirwin> Pugio, could you help me with this?
[03:00] <jirwin> how do I know what device to mount
[03:00] <jirwin> i looked at dmesg
[03:01] <felipe__> randibis interesting!
[03:01] <felipe__> kobs sup man?
[03:01] <KlaasVaag> jirwin, what is it about? a usb-device?
[03:01] <kobs> felipe__: you left us :(
[03:01] <jirwin> my usb mp3 player
[03:01] <jirwin> rio S35S
[03:01] <KlaasVaag> jirwin, probably /dev/sda
[03:01] <randabis> should just be able to plug it in and it work
[03:02] <KlaasVaag> but you should issue mount first to see if isnt already mounted
[03:02] <KlaasVaag> probably at /media/usbdisk
[03:02] <felipe__> kobs lolz not true
[03:02] <KlaasVaag> works for me, most of the time that is
[03:02] <jirwin> well I have two flash drives plugged in, my scanner, and then the mp3 player
[03:02] <felipe__> kobs everytime I go there there is nobody online nor saying anything
[03:02] <Xappe> hmm, quite good. downloading a hoary ppc livecd. eta 5 min
[03:03] <KlaasVaag> jirwin, have you tried 'mount'? at the cli?
[03:03] <jirwin> i have
[03:03] <KlaasVaag> does it mentions anything concerning /dev/sda or /dev/sdb?
[03:03] <jirwin> no, only usbfs
[03:03] <randabis> ppc livecd must be new...there has only been i386 livecds as far as I can remember
[03:03] <felipe__> kobs didnt know you are a ubuntu user
[03:03] <billytwowilly> wow. shuttleworth is a cool guy. he's funding schooltool
[03:03] <randabis> yeah
[03:04] <KlaasVaag> just try: mount /dev/sda /mnt then
[03:04] <Xappe> randabis, yes i discovered it just now
[03:04] <randabis> cool
[03:04] <Pugio> randabis yup it's new, and it works great
[03:04] <KlaasVaag> or any other folder where you want it mounted
[03:04] <randabis> I'd test it out if I had a mac :p
[03:04] <Xappe> now i'll test hoary on my g3 ibook too :)
[03:04] <jirwin> any idea on what filesystem?
[03:05] <KlaasVaag> jirwin, does it ask for it?
[03:05] <kobs> felipe__: i just started using it today
[03:05] <jirwin> yes
[03:05] <kobs> felipe__: thinking about using it in our Linux Labs (and getting rid of Fedora)
[03:05] <KlaasVaag> i never have a problem mounting mine.. so no, i dont know.. probably vfat
[03:05] <KlaasVaag> since windows natively supports it :)
[03:06] <hybrid> so does any kno how i can put a file system on my mounted ngage?
[03:06] <KlaasVaag> hybrid, mkfs.vfat /dev/sdX ?
[03:07] <hybrid> ok thnx
[03:07] <KlaasVaag> but you should unmount it first
[03:07] <hybrid> ok
[03:07] <felipe__> kobs hmm Cool! Have you thought of debian or something?
[03:08] <hybrid> Xappe: where did you find hoary for ppc?
[03:08] <KlaasVaag> kobs, as much as i've seen of fedora, that is not a bad idea :P
[03:08] <hybrid> i am on a ibook g3 also
[03:08] <jirwin> KlaasVaag, ok, I unplugged all my other devices, and then plugged in the mp3 player by itself, and now it says that /dev/sda doesn't exist
[03:10] <KlaasVaag> jirwin, i have that problem too sometimes.. still dont know what the exact problem is..
[03:10] <KlaasVaag> you could try to replug it a few times..
[03:10] <kobs> felipe__: I was originally going to use Debian, but then I saw the post about the Australian high school Ubuntu lab, and was inspired to use Ubuntu :)
[03:10] <KlaasVaag> and you could try /dev/sdb as well
[03:10] <KlaasVaag> kobs, i dont think debian has much that ubuntu doesnt have :)
[03:10] <jirwin> yah
[03:11] <felipe__> kobs :D ubuntu seems very cool indeed
[03:11] <jirwin> KlaasVaag, if this means anything, when I plug it in I run dmesg, and it tells me "usb 2-1: new full speed USB device using address 5"
[03:12] <KlaasVaag> jirwin, it does mean anything.. at least your device is found..
[03:12] <KlaasVaag> but /dev/sda and /dev/sdb still not working?
[03:12] <jirwin> does it tell us which device I need to mount?
[03:12] <KlaasVaag> not that particular line..
[03:13] <jirwin> KlaasVaag, no neither of them work
[03:13] <jirwin> do you use rioutil?
[03:14] <KlaasVaag> jirwin.. i cannot help you further..
[03:14] <KlaasVaag> im sorry
[03:14] <jirwin> ok
[03:14] <jirwin> it is alright
[03:14] <Pugio> ahem
[03:15] <Pugio> question
[03:15] <Pugio> I just installed warty and X didn't start (go figure)
[03:15] <Pugio> what's the autoconfigure command for X
[03:15] <goldfish_> lol i had that problem
[03:15] <Pugio> something like Xautoconfigure or something
[03:15] <Pugio> it says the Devices seciont is out of date
[03:15] <Pugio> or missing
[03:15] <jirwin> thanks
[03:15] <KlaasVaag> jirwin, have to get some sleep.. its 3am here..
[03:15] <Pugio> either way, I want to run the autoconfig for X
[03:15] <KlaasVaag> Feb  8 03:13:13 localhost usb.agent[10655] :      usb-storage: loaded successfully
[03:15] <jirwin> heh
[03:15] <KlaasVaag> Feb  8 03:13:18 localhost scsi.agent[10815] : disk at /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:10.2/usb3/3-2/3-2:1.0/host0/target0:0:0/0:0:0:0
[03:15] <jirwin> sleep well
[03:16] <KlaasVaag> that is what my /var/log/messages states when plugging in the usbstick
[03:16] <marcin_ant> Pugio: did you rebooted your machine?
[03:16] <Pugio> ummm, again?
[03:16] <Pugio> I rebooted once
[03:16] <Pugio> and then went through the update process
[03:16] <Pugio> but I didn't reboot again
[03:16] <marcin_ant> Pugio: only after installation
[03:17] <Pugio> right, only then
[03:17] <marcin_ant> Pugio: I had the same problem
[03:17] <Pugio> just reboot again then?
[03:18] <marcin_ant> Pugio: core installation -> reboot -> system configuration etc. = no X -> reboot -> and X session without problems
[03:18] <Pugio> cool
[03:18] <Pugio> I'll go try that
[03:18] <felipe__> kobs Im upset I couldnt install DRI here
[03:18] <kobs> i was having a porblm with my LCD monitor
[03:18] <kobs> sense Ubuntu by default, uses an X login manager?
[03:19] <kobs> i kept getting "Cannot display this video mode" error
[03:19] <pepsi> how can i get my cdrom to show up? dmesg shows me "hdc: PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-107D, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive" but /dev/hdc doesnt exist
[03:19] <pepsi> hal-device-manager sees a device on the ide chain, but it doesnt know what kind of device it is
[03:21] <Pugio> marcin_ant no go, still says Device field missing
[03:21] <Pugio> it doesn't appear to have been configured correctly
[03:22] <Pugio> dumb X11!!!
[03:22] <Pugio> it worked find on Vector
[03:23] <marcin_ant> Pugio: xorgconfig then
[03:23] <Pugio> ok
[03:24] <Dreamer3> ok
[03:24] <Dreamer3> anyone awake? :)
[03:24] <Pugio> sort of, anyone know how I check to see if php is installed in apache?
[03:24] <goldfish_> hey Dreamer3
[03:24] <Dreamer3> goldfish_: hey
[03:24] <Dreamer3> ok, back to solving ubuntu issues :)
[03:25] <marcin_ant> Pugio: maybe just create php page
[03:25] <Dreamer3> when i start X i have the X cursor in the middle of the screen that just sits there (i always have a mosue cursor I can move)... eventually i can cover it up with a window and make it go away... ideas?
[03:25] <marcin_ant> Pugio: with phpinfo command in it
[03:25] <marcin_ant> Pugio: and put this somewhere in your /var/www
[03:25] <Pugio> marcin_ant : that's not working, I was tryin to double check
[03:27] <Dreamer3> i already commented out the synaptics input decide thinking maybe it had something to do with it, but i still have the X
[03:31] <marcin_ant> Pugio: everything is in php's manual
[03:31] <marcin_ant> Pugio: on www.php.net
[03:32] <marcin_ant> question
[03:32] <marcin_ant> how to use gprs modem from cell phone connected to pc via bluetooth?
[03:33] <goldfish_> Dreamer3: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/hwcursor
[03:38] <felipe__> kobs cu man
[03:38] <Mestapheles> hi hey does deep sleep work on the new ibook G4s?
[03:39] <hybrid> how do i unmount a drive
[03:39] <[Spooky] > Hello all
[03:39] <hybrid> hi
[03:39] <[Spooky] > man im going crazy here :)
[03:40] <zul> hybrid: umount the drive or right click on icon
[03:40] <Mestapheles> "umount" do a man umount for flags
[03:40] <hybrid> ok thanx
[03:40] <Xappe> hybrid, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/array-4/
[03:40] <Pugio> OH WOE is me
[03:41] <Pugio> question
[03:41] <[Spooky] > anyone have any howto on removing a ntfs partition and make it a ext3 partition and mount it ? and is this possible without a reboot ?
[03:41] <Pugio> How can I get Ubuntu to reconfigure X11 for me?
[03:41] <FLeiXiuS> Pugio: dpkg --reconfigure xfree86-common I believe
[03:42] <Pugio> cool
[03:42] <Pugio> cause it works well on the LiveCD, but because I used a USB mosue it botched the whole process
[03:43] <mdz> Pugio: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[03:43] <mdz> assuming you're running Ubuntu 4.10
[03:43] <hybrid> KlaasVaag : do i have to umount my ngage b4 i make a filesystem for it
[03:44] <p00p> hi, i'm trying to set up postfix and i've never had problems before, but on ubuntu it seems like postfix is only listening on loopback. how can i fix this?
[03:44] <thundrcleeze> probably, hybrid
[03:44] <hybrid> thundrcleeze : but it says device is busy
[03:45] <KlaasVaag> KlaasVaag, you can try to do it without unmounting, but probably it'll tell you to unmount
[03:45] <thundrcleeze> well, you don't want to create a filesystem on a device that's busy.
[03:45] <thundrcleeze> Talking to yourself, KlaasVaag?
[03:45] <KlaasVaag> ghehe.. lol
[03:45] <KlaasVaag> just came out of bed because i couldnt sleep.. guess i should go back :P
[03:46] <thundrcleeze> What's the difference between ext3 and reiserfs?
[03:46] <KlaasVaag> a lot :) but the idea is the same
[03:46] <KlaasVaag> both journalled..
[03:47] <hybrid> thundrcleeze : well i wanna write to the ngage so i can put 8hoprfully* a new os on there instead of symbian
[03:47] <KlaasVaag> ext3 is pretty much an extention to ext2
[03:47] <hybrid> damn i ment *hopefully*
[03:47] <thundrcleeze> I figured, hybrid
[03:47] <KlaasVaag> hybrid, i guess you should try to find some more specific information on the topic
[03:47] <goldfish_> I was looking at the ubuntuguide about reading from an ntfs partition and i tried and got this error, root@nanafunk:/media # mount /dev/hda1 /media/windows/ -t ntfs -o unmask=0222
[03:47] <goldfish_> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda1,
[03:47] <hybrid> lol
[03:47] <goldfish_>        or too many mounted file systems
[03:47] <goldfish_> Anyone know what's up?
[03:48] <thundrcleeze> Snow, here.
[03:48] <thundrcleeze> oh you meant your question.
[03:48] <thundrcleeze> Let me read it.
[03:48] <hybrid> KlaasVaag : what do you mean?
[03:48] <Pugio-Other> umm
[03:48] <Pugio-Other> that command for reconfiguring X11 didn't work
[03:48] <Pugio-Other> I had a problem with my mouse, and hwen I generated a new config file, it messed X11 up
[03:49] <Pugio-Other> now I"m on 640x480 and 8 bit color
[03:49] <thundrcleeze> Which FS do you prefer, KlaasVaag?  Is one better suited for home desktop use than the other?
[03:49] <shushi2005> How do I find which directory is the linux source directory?
[03:49] <goldfish_> Pugio-Other: dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86
[03:49] <KlaasVaag> hybrid, well, you have your device.. and you want to change the fs-type? and ultimately the whole OS on it?
[03:49] <goldfish_> that maybe?
[03:49] <[Spooky] > dam this shit :/
[03:49] <thundrcleeze> /usr/src, probably, shushi2005.
[03:49] <hybrid> KlaasVaag : correct! :)
[03:49] <Pugio-Other> goldfish_ ahhh the other command given to me was dpkg --reconfigure...
[03:49] <shushi2005> thundrcleeze, thanks,
[03:49] <Pugio-Other> and it complained that there was no --reconfigure option
[03:49] <Pugio-Other> let me try that
[03:49] <thundrcleeze> Don't take my word for it, I'm a n00b, shushi2005.
[03:49] <KlaasVaag> hybrid, probalby someone figured the whole process out already and psted something on a personal website..
[03:50] <[Spooky] > in cfdisk number 83 is Linux ext3 eight ?
[03:50] <[Spooky] > *right
[03:50] <hybrid> KlaasVaag :nope already searched for it on google clusty and msn
[03:50] <KlaasVaag> thundrcleeze, i personally prefer reiserfs, just because i like new concepts rather then building on ancient ones.. but thats rather personal..
[03:50] <Pugio-Other> goldfish_
[03:50] <inx|Moony1234> hey guys, anyone here experienced after you hit enter on the install cd to install ubuntu, lots of text scrolling then the screen just goes black and nothing happens?
[03:51] <thundrcleeze> That's why I put it on mine, KlaasVaag.
[03:51] <p00p> is there any reason port 25 seems open from localhost, but from other hosts on my network it appears closed? does postfix by default only listen on loopback in ubuntu?
[03:51] <Pugio-Other> there was no xserver-xfree86 (or whatever
[03:51] <Pugio-Other> however there was an xfree86-common
[03:51] <Pugio-Other> so I tried tat
[03:51] <goldfish_> hmm....
[03:51] <thundrcleeze> inx|Moony1234, have you checked the md5 of your CD?
[03:51] <goldfish_> p
[03:51] <inx|Moony1234> i have not :)
[03:51] <goldfish_> Pugio-Other: what happened?
[03:51] <KlaasVaag> [Spooky] , iirc 83 is just Linux, in which you can use ext2, ext3 and reiserfs
[03:51] <inx|Moony1234> its a proper disk from ubuntu
[03:51] <Pugio-Other> goldfish_ well, it's still doing "it"
[03:51] <inx|Moony1234> not a download
[03:51] <Dreamer3> goldfish_: thanks :)
[03:52] <goldfish_> Dreamer3: np
[03:52] <thundrcleeze> It still couldn't hurt, inx|Moony1234
[03:52] <shushi2005> thundrcleeze, that's not it, I am trying to install linux-wlan-ng and I did an automatic ubuntu setup.
[03:52] <Dreamer3> goldfish_: now which of the two options ;-)
[03:52] <Pugio-Other> goldfish_ well, it finished
[03:52] <goldfish_> Dreamer3: heh
[03:52] <[Spooky] > KlaasVaag: ok, so where do i do that if not in cfdisk ?
[03:52] <Pugio-Other> goldfish_ doesn't look like it did much, the config file remains unchanged
[03:52] <Pugio-Other> in other words
[03:52] <shushi2005> thundrcleeze, the setup is looking for the linux source tree
[03:52] <stuNNed> wb bitfoo
[03:52] <Pugio-Other> I'M STILL STUCK at 640x480 and 8-bit color
[03:52] <KlaasVaag> [Spooky] , do what specifically?
[03:52] <goldfish_> Pugio-Other: Did u back up the config file?
[03:53] <bitfoo> thanks :(
[03:53] <Dreamer3> goldfish_: i'll try both
[03:53] <bitfoo> this damn ati driver is pissing me off :|
[03:53] <stuNNed> bitfoo: ?
[03:53] <Pugio-Other> goldfish_ the original one? there was no original one
[03:53] <goldfish_> ah right
[03:53] <Dreamer3> goldfish_: are you using firefox?
[03:53] <thundrcleeze> Anyone?  Linux source tree for an install?
[03:53] <stuNNed> bitfoo: ahh...join the club i used to be a member of :)
[03:53] <goldfish_> Dreamer3: yep
[03:53] <bitfoo> heh
[03:53] <Dreamer3> goldfish_: version?
[03:53] <Pugio-Other> goldfish_ I generated it from X -configure
[03:53] <bitfoo> just my luck it wont work with 2.6.x without patching :(
[03:54] <goldfish_> Dreamer3: 0.93, i did apt-get install mozilla-firefox and it said it was installing 1.0 but em.. i dunno :)
[03:54] <Dreamer3> goldfish_: hmmmmmmmm
[03:54] <[Spooky] > KlaasVaag: sorry hehe, i have my /dev/hdb as a ntfs hardrive... and i wanna delete it and make a ext3 partition of it to for example /disk2, but i cant get it to work...
[03:54] <Pugio-Other> ok, does anyone here know how to configure X11 ?
[03:54] <Dreamer3> who here said that backports were bad and would mess with hoary one day?
[03:54] <goldfish_> Dreamer3: alot of ppl :)
[03:55] <Dreamer3> goldfish_: hmmmmmmm
[03:55] <thundrcleeze> shushi2005, are you using apt-get for that install?  There's a source tree for the repository.  Maybe that's what it wants?
[03:55] <KlaasVaag> [Spooky] , get into fdisk, cfdisk, qtparted or any other partition manager.. delete the ntfs partition, create a new one with FStype Linux.. and finish up.. after that you can use mkfs.reiserfs, mkfs.extX etc..
[03:55] <shushi2005> thundrcleeze, hmmm, could I use synaptic?
[03:55] <kakalto> how do I get mpd to play files?
[03:56] <thundrcleeze> yeah, synaptic's just a graphical version of apt-get, basically, shushi2005.
[03:56] <KlaasVaag> [Spooky] , so 1) delete, 2) create linux partition, 3) make filesystem
[03:56] <[Spooky] > KlaasVaag: aha, it was mkfs i missed well well let me try hehe
[03:56] <shushi2005> thundrcleeze, oh, how silly of me, cool
[03:56] <Pugio-Other> ok, does anyone know of any Xorgconfig like utility for warty?
[03:57] <KlaasVaag> [Spooky] , good luck..
[03:57] <thundrcleeze> Pugio, I think there's some info in the ubuntuguide.org
[03:57] <kakalto> who here uses mpd to play local files?
[03:58] <Dreamer3> who here usese backports?
[03:58] <kakalto> me
[03:58] <thundrcleeze> Me, Dreamer3.
[03:58] <thundrcleeze> But before I knew what they were.
[03:58] <stuNNed> bitfoo: have you checked in #ati?
[03:58] <Dreamer3> thundrcleeze: and now?
[03:58] <regeya> dfasd
[03:58] <thundrcleeze> I still don't really know what they were :)
[03:58] <thundrcleeze> *are
[03:58] <kakalto> lol
[03:58] <regeya> yipe
[03:59] <syn-ack> Hi
[03:59] <pepsi> how can i get my cdrom to show up? dmesg shows me "hdc: PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-107D, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive" but /dev/hdc doesnt exist
[03:59] <kakalto> thundrcleeze, they're packages brung back from a later version
[03:59] <thundrcleeze> That's what I thought.
[03:59] <regeya> Dreamer3, what seems to be the problem???
[03:59] <Dreamer3> regeya: trying to take in all the bad/good i've heard about backports :)
[03:59] <regeya> I seem to think there was a post in the ubuntuforums about pinning various releases, adn I think backports is pinnable
[03:59] <KlaasVaag> pepsi, is there even a working cd in it?
[04:00] <pepsi> KlaasVaag: yes
[04:00] <regeya> Dreamer3, the only thing I've had problems with is wine, and that's because I lack a winesetuptk
[04:00] <bitfoo> stuNNed, yes i checked :|
[04:00] <regeya> so not a big issue
[04:00] <pepsi> hal-device-manager doesnt know what is on the ide chain
[04:00] <pepsi> but it knows that something is there
[04:00] <KlaasVaag> pepsi, are you sure it isnt mounted automatically in /media/XXX ?
[04:00] <KlaasVaag> have you checked using 'mount'?
[04:00] <Dreamer3> regeya: i think if i can find a way to pin only backports with the "lowest" priority... that should solve any issues
[04:01] <kakalto> does anyone here use mpd to play local files?
[04:01] <regeya> well, as I said, Dreamer3, I think (I *think*) there's a post in the ubuntuforums under 3rd party projects/ubuntu backports about that...dunno, though.
[04:01] <pepsi> no, it is not there.. it cant possible be there because /dev/hdc doesnt even exist
[04:01] <thundrcleeze> No, kakalto.
[04:01] <kakalto> :(
[04:01] <Dreamer3> regeya: it's probably about pinning the opposite of the way i would :)
[04:01] <thundrcleeze> I don't know what it is.
[04:02] <kakalto> music player daemon
[04:02] <Dreamer3> regeya: the only bad things i've heard is when i go to horay the backports *might* stay around depending on versioning, so I'm seeing if it's possible to pint them VERY low
[04:02] <thundrcleeze> I don't see it in synaptic.  Is it popular?
[04:02] <Dreamer3> regeya: but i'll search the forums next
[04:02] <regeya> thundrcleeze, someone else could answer that, you know, and if you don't know, there's no need to answer. :-P
[04:02] <kakalto> it's meant for network-playing music, but it isn't necessarily used for this purpose
[04:02] <stuNNed> bitfoo: that's too bad, and they are putting out 64bit driver when their 32bit can still be kicked in the junk.
[04:03] <regeya> Dreamer3, I've had problems with pinning, though YMMV, I suppose
[04:03] <Dreamer3> regeya: i got it :)
[04:03] <KlaasVaag> pepsi, im out of ideas then.. good luck
[04:03] <Dreamer3> regeya: well, pinning is kind of complicated :)
[04:03] <regeya> for now, though, I need a shower.  regeya stink.
[04:03] <thundrcleeze> Sorry, still in "help the customer at all costs" mode from work, regeya.
[04:03] <bitfoo> stuNNed, from what ive read the problem is with the 2.6.10 kernel, not the ati drivers
[04:03] <regeya> heh thundrcleeze
[04:03] <Dreamer3> regeya: using release pinning i can ping everything from a=warty-backports very low
[04:03] <Dreamer3> regeya: i should write a how-to :)
[04:03] <stuNNed> bitfoo: ah, ok then, use 2.6.9 or 2.6.10pre or something else than stock 2.6.10?
[04:03] <[Spooky] > KlaasVaag: goodie got it to work, thanks man!
[04:03] <bitfoo> maybe :O
[04:04] <meuwe> hi, every body...
[04:04] <KlaasVaag> [Spooky] , yw
[04:04] <Dreamer3> hmmm
[04:04] <thundrcleeze> hi yoko-ubuntu
[04:04] <KlaasVaag> [Spooky] , glad i could be of service :)
[04:04] <regeya> btw, folks, I had a cause to do a ppc install at work on a G4.  Mostly went OK, and I may do a writeup on the pros and cons.  For now, though, I'm slowly transitioning a machine from running MacOS to running Warty to act as a fileserver on a MacOS-only network.  Wish me luck. ;-)
[04:04] <Dreamer3> but that won't work for same version packages...
[04:04] <thundrcleeze> hi meuwe
[04:04] <regeya> would you believe that this machine is running just fine by running the MacOS fileserver software under MOL?
[04:04] <meuwe> iam indonesian...
[04:04] <regeya> anyway...shower time.
[04:05] <p00p> how can i get postfix to listen on eth0?
[04:05] <meuwe> and my english very bad.. :(
[04:05] <meuwe> who's from indonesian..??
[04:05] <goldfish_> who needs english
[04:05] <regeya> meuwe, if you have a question, have no fear.  ask and we'll try to understand.
[04:05] <p00p> i have a question!
 meuwe, if you have a question, have no fear.  ask and we'll try to understand. --> Ok, Thank's..
[04:06] <stuNNed> goldfish_: lol
[04:06] <stuNNed> p00p: set it in main.conf?
[04:06] <KlaasVaag> p00p, you could try: dpkg-reconfigure postfix, or edit /etc/postfix/main.cf
[04:06] <p00p> stuNNed, i don't know what option to set
[04:06] <p00p> KlaasVaag, i've done both
[04:06] <KlaasVaag> p00p, google knows
[04:06] <meuwe> iam use ubuntu for my server... but the packet isn't complete...can i user packet from debian unstable..???
[04:06] <stuNNed> p00p: one sec
[04:07] <Arthur> hi there..
[04:07] <p00p> KlaasVaag, i have been, and not found anything.. i think it's related to ubuntu running postfix in a chroot
[04:07] <p00p> but i don't know
[04:07] <KlaasVaag> p00p, i think adding your LAN to 'mynetworks' could help
[04:07] <p00p> KlaasVaag, ok, i'll give that a shot
[04:08] <KlaasVaag> p00p, but then again, i havent used postfix on ubuntu yet.. only on debian
[04:08] <p00p> KlaasVaag, no dice :'(
[04:08] <linuxn00b> Hey, can I block certain packages from being updated???
[04:08] <thundrcleeze> Yes, linuxn00b
[04:08] <linuxn00b> sweet how??
[04:09] <KlaasVaag> p00p, restarted postfix?
[04:09] <p00p> KlaasVaag, yes
[04:09] <Dark_Kyo_> which type of partition for setup a server with 20 GB HD?
[04:09] <yoko-ubuntu> pardon me chaps
[04:09] <yoko-ubuntu> what do i need to install for samba support?
[04:09] <thundrcleeze> linuxn00b, in Synaptic, select the package(s), go to Package, Lock Version
[04:09] <meuwe> hiks... :(
[04:10] <p00p> i think it could be something with master.cf but i don't know what the file actually means
[04:10] <p00p> ahh maybe it's commented here
[04:10] <goldfish_> yoko-ubuntu: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#sambaserver <- tried there?
[04:10] <thundrcleeze> meuwe, one second
[04:10] <linuxn00b> thundrcleeze, thanks :)
[04:10] <bitfoo> anyone got a hoary multimedia guide
[04:11] <thundrcleeze> No problem, linuxn00b.
[04:11] <yoko-ubuntu> goldfish_: no, I want to share files on my windows box with this one
[04:11] <linuxn00b> damn I had another Q but I forgot haha
[04:12] <linuxn00b> oh yeah, is there a program I can use to mass rename my files using a GUI??
[04:12] <thundrcleeze> meuwe, are you asking if you can a package from a regular debian repository?
 meuwe, are you asking if you can a package from a regular debian repository? --> yup..
[04:12] <meuwe> can i use it..?
[04:12] <KlaasVaag> meuwe, we all read his question :)
 meuwe, we all read his question :) --> what's ??
[04:13] <linuxn00b> well in rename I mean mass renaming files :)
[04:13] <stuNNed> p00p: you would edit master.cf
[04:13] <p00p> stuNNed, what should i edit?
[04:14] <Orcrist> if I have a program that's looking for my joystick at /dev/js0, but it's in the /sys tree, can I symlink it over? or is it not that simple?
[04:14] <KlaasVaag> linuxn00b, what files specifically? and to what do you want it to be renamend?? something folder-specific?
[04:14] <thundrcleeze> meuwe, don't worry.  He's just talking about how you are posting the original question with your answer.
[04:14] <KlaasVaag> meuwe, i do not think it is neccesary to copy something that we already saw..
[04:15] <KlaasVaag> but thats my opinion )
[04:15] <thundrcleeze> meuwe, instead, all you have to do when you're replying is say the person's name and respond.
[04:15] <meuwe> ooOoo iam sorry .. :(
[04:15] <KlaasVaag> meuwe, never mind
[04:15] <stuNNed> p00p: see http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#inet_interfaces
[04:15] <linuxn00b> KlaasVaag, yeah my pics a mess and it take too long to name them 1.jpg 2.jpg....
[04:15] <meuwe> thundrcleeze, ok thank's... :)
[04:15] <stuNNed> p00p: and RTFM there.
[04:15] <Levander> orcrist, i know u can do links to device files, i'd try it see if it works if i were u
[04:15] <p00p> stuNNed, unfortunately i already did that
[04:16] <meuwe> Klassvaag, sorry iam a newbie.. :(
[04:16] <Orcrist> well i've been trying it but I don't know exactly what I need to link
[04:16] <Britt> is there any word on when postgresql8 packages might creep into the repositories?
[04:16] <meuwe> Klassvaag, this is my first time to join freenode.net.. :(
[04:16] <KlaasVaag> meuwe, as i said.. never mind :) we all were newbee once :) and in many ways.. i am still one
[04:16] <meuwe> KlassVaag, OK Thanks... :-)
[04:17] <ramb0> I just installed ubuntu, and on reboot my system hangs on 'starting hotplug'
[04:17] <KlaasVaag> linuxn00b, i guess you could do a lot with a simple bashscript.. but #bash could help you on that
[04:17] <meuwe> KlassVaag, back to my question, what the effect if i use a packet from debian unstable...??
[04:18] <linuxn00b> KlaasVaag, I could but I don;t know how to wite scrips:( well someone there make one?
[04:18] <stuNNed> p00p: is your hostname tied to your eth0 address?
[04:18] <p00p> stuNNed, ah i don't believe so
[04:18] <thundrcleeze> meuwe, I just installed Ubuntu 2 weeks ago, I don't how how good my response will be.  Anyway, it will work, but you might have problems.  There are additional repositories that are specific to ubuntu that you should try first.
[04:18] <KlaasVaag> meuwe, thats rather unpredictable.. i _could_ work, since debian and ubuntu are very much alike.. but it could also cause problems or even mess up y our system..
[04:18] <p00p> you mean in /etc/hosts, or through dns lookups?
[04:18] <kakalto> what is a media player in which you can 'sort' your music?
[04:18] <KlaasVaag> meuwe, but what package do you need? are you sure it isnt in the universe or multiverse repos?
[04:18] <kakalto> like rhythm-box, but with, genres, I suppose
[04:19] <stuNNed> p00p: try in main.cf:  inet_interfaces = your_eth0_address where the latter is the ip of eth0
[04:19] <stuNNed> p00p: then restart postfix
[04:19] <p00p> rather than all?
[04:19] <stuNNed> yes you can try
[04:19] <meuwe> KlassVaag, what the different universe and multiverse..??
[04:19] <KlaasVaag> linuxn00b, maybe..
[04:19] <thundrcleeze> www.ubuntuguide.org under "How to add extra repositories"  There might be a translation in your language on that page also
[04:19] <linuxn00b> KlaasVaag, ok i'll ask them :)
[04:19] <thundrcleeze> meuwe ---^
[04:19] <KlaasVaag> meuwe, please check the website for that
[04:20] <Britt> so no word? :)
[04:20] <p00p> stuNNed, that worked!
[04:20] <stuNNed> p00p: like 'inet_interfaces = <IP_ADDRESS>' or whatever eth0's ip is
[04:20] <stuNNed> p00p: kewlios :D
[04:20] <Severian> hell
[04:20] <Severian> hello
[04:20] <p00p> stuNNed, thanks very much
[04:20] <kakalto> what is a media player in which you can 'sort' your music, into genres, sort of like rhythmbox's artists & albums sort
[04:20] <kakalto> ?
[04:20] <meuwe> KlassVaag, i will check it... :-)
[04:20] <stuNNed> and p00p btw and just got that from RTFM at that above site i mentioned
[04:21] <p00p> rofl
[04:21] <KlaasVaag> kakalto, Yuk iirc
[04:21] <kakalto> yuk?
[04:21] <KlaasVaag> kakalto, but i could be mistaken
[04:21] <kakalto> website?
[04:22] <KlaasVaag> dunno.. and its juk, its in universe repositories for hoary at least
[04:22] <stuNNed> hi Mestapheles
[04:22] <KlaasVaag> its a kde app.. i am not sure if there is a gnome variant available
[04:23] <kakalto> KlaasVaag, thanks, I'll look for it
[04:23] <kakalto> I have the KDE base stuff
[04:23] <kakalto> just no gui
[04:23] <kakalto> *just gnome gui
[04:23] <kakalto> no kde gui
[04:23] <thundrcleeze> KlaasVaag, it's also under the extra repositories for warty
[04:24] <meuwe> whereis i must write the script for boot ?? in rh or fc in the /etc/rc.local ??
[04:24] <KlaasVaag> thundrcleeze, ok.. i did not check :) i just checked if it was in the repositories for me :)
[04:24] <motmr> I just installed Ubuntu, I have a Nvidia 4200 with a VGA and a DVI output, i have both connected to monitors, im currently wondering how to set them up under X (i have installed the Nvidia Drivers)
[04:24] <linuxn00b> anyone know how to use mmv?
[04:24] <Levander> anybody know a way I can get cron to email me the status of a job only if the job has something wrong and returns an error condition?
[04:25] <KlaasVaag> linuxn00b, as they told you in #bash: man mmv
[04:25] <KlaasVaag> or use google
[04:25] <linuxn00b> KlaasVaag, I'm reading it but I don;t understand it at all :(
[04:25] <kakalto> what was the other thing...
[04:25] <KlaasVaag> Levander, add >/dev/null at the end of the job
[04:26] <KlaasVaag> if you want to discard errors as well, add 2>&1 after that..
[04:26] <motmr> no X hackers here?
[04:26] <motmr> im just looking to set up my dual montiors
[04:27] <thundrcleeze> I will in a week or so too, motmr
[04:27] <motmr> using xinerama (or twinview, whichever works better)
[04:27] <Levander> klaasvaag, is it just the output from the command that is emailed? seems like that's what your saying.
[04:27] <KlaasVaag> motmr, maybe try #xorg or another channel..
[04:27] <KlaasVaag> Levander, normally it sends all output to your email..
[04:28] <KlaasVaag> when you use >/dev/null all std output is discarded
[04:29] <Levander> klaasvaag, all output of the command that you're running under cron? I thought cron emailed a status that just said that the program did in fact run, is possible i read the man page wrong
[04:29] <KlaasVaag> with 2>&1 you send the standard errors to the same place as the first one.. (/dev/null)
[04:29] <Levander> i know about /dev/null
[04:29] <cowbud> kj
[04:29] <KlaasVaag> Levander, well.. just setup a cronjob that'll run in 5 minutes.. and you will see :)
[04:31] <KlaasVaag> Levander, i never received any kind of status from cron _ever_ they were always just a message with the same output i would receive running those commands at the CLI
[04:31] <KlaasVaag> but then again, YMMV
[04:32] <goldfish_> Hey guys, I just installed xterminal and i was wondering if i can replace the original terminal with this when i click on the terminal menu option?
[04:32] <Levander> klaasvaag, feel stupid i didn't try, all did was read man page, i'll try in a sec, thanks
[04:33] <hybrid> could i dual boot bsd and ubuntu
[04:34] <jirwin> goldfish_, computer->desktop preferences->preferred applications ?
[04:34] <goldfish_> jirwin: i'll give it a bash, thanks
[04:34] <meuwe> everybody, i can't find ltsp packet from ubuntu respitory.. :(, where can i find them..??
[04:34] <kakalto> could someone help me? on gnome, my programs' resolutions are 1024x768, but on kde programs, the resolution is 1280x1024 by default.
[04:34] <KlaasVaag> meuwe, google?
[04:34] <kakalto> (all on the gnome interface
[04:34] <kakalto> )
[04:34] <KlaasVaag> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=57166#post57166
[04:35] <jirwin> KlaasVaag, i got it too work
[04:35] <jirwin> :)
[04:35] <KlaasVaag> jirwin, what was it again? :P
[04:35] <jirwin> here is a sorta lame question...is there anyway to make it so nautilus doesn't opena new window for every directory?
[04:35] <jirwin> KlaasVaag, it is stupid...wasn't running as root
[04:36] <KlaasVaag> jirwin, yes there is..
[04:36] <jirwin> that is what 1.5 hours of sleep does to you
[04:36] <jirwin> yippie...would you mind sharing?
[04:36] <KlaasVaag> applications -> system tools -> configuration editor
[04:36] <jirwin> now I didn't see it in there
[04:37] <bubbanga> anyone know of a program to get that will play asf and/or asx files
[04:37] <jirwin> which option would it be?
[04:37] <KlaasVaag> jirwin, im looking again :) i used a solution from somewhere on google as well..
[04:37] <jirwin> bubbanga, MPlayer
[04:37] <bubbanga> i seen aviplay but i can't find a package for it only talk about it on the net
[04:37] <bubbanga> i can't get mplayer to stream it
[04:37] <bubbanga> i tried
[04:37] <jirwin> oh
[04:38] <KlaasVaag> jirwin, schemas-aps-nautilus
[04:38] <bubbanga> trying to get internet tv of www.wwitv.com but its all in asx and asf
[04:38] <jirwin> thanks
[04:38] <meuwe> KlassVaag, i try to find it.. :-)
[04:38] <KlaasVaag> and the change the preferences - always_use_browser
[04:39] <maclin> in warty, look in nautilus edit preferences under behaviour, and choose browser
[04:41] <jirwin> KlaasVaag, beautiful :) Thanks.
[04:42] <lavigj> hey guys, quick question. What's the best way to share files between *nix boxes over a network? I found out how to setup SFTP folders in gnome, but I know there has to be a way for mounting a remote filesystem as if it were your own.
[04:42] <kobs> i use NFS
[04:42] <noppe> kobs: through gnome?
[04:42] <kobs> no, i manage it from the command line
[04:42] <|rufius|> lavigj: nfs is probably your best bet, its what i use for the computers on my network
[04:42] <noppe> ahh I was going to ask what the package was to be installed to enable it for gnome :)
[04:43] <lavigj> |rufius|: ok. I will have to look at that
[04:43] <jirwin> is there any specific reason that i can't here more than one sound at a time?
[04:43] <lavigj> noppe: well, if it mounts as a local file system, it should be seen under filesystems in gnome.
[04:43] <bitfoo> jirwin look on www.ubuntuforums.org under the howto guide
[04:43] <|rufius|> noppe: you don't really enable nfs for gnome, its not gnome dependent, and if you have an nfs share setup, gnome should automagically recognize it and add an icon for you
[04:43] <maclin> noppe: nfs doesn't care which de/wm you use - once it's set up you just navigate to the mount point like any other directory
[04:43] <jirwin> will do :)
[04:43] <lavigj> |rufius|: does ubuntu have support built in?
[04:43] <|rufius|> my network has a debian file server (nfs/smb) with some linux clients and a few windows clients
[04:44] <|rufius|> lavigj: mmmm you may have to install nfs-utils, but otehr than that it should have it
[04:44] <bitfoo> anyone know why i cant start totem anymore, and why when i could it couldnt play video files despite having every codec package installed under the sun :|
[04:44] <lavigj> |rufius|: cool.
[04:44] <noppe> maclin: yes I know but I want the neato gnome shared folder front end of doom :)
[04:44] <|rufius|> lavigj: just do "cat /proc/filesystems" and look for nfs
[04:44] <lavigj> |rufius|: thanks man, it is much easier to get a push in the right direction from someone who is already there :)
[04:44] <|rufius|> if its in there, your kernel will support it
[04:44] <maclin> noppe: :)
[04:44] <noppe> but alas it appears it isn't yet in the ubuntu gnome
[04:45] <KlaasVaag> meuwe, any luck? maybe this is interesting: http://thinstation.sourceforge.net/
[04:45] <|rufius|> lavigj: no problem :) might join me in #lfd, lots of friendly people that know stuff like that ;)
[04:45] <lavigj> |rufius|: lfd? linux for dummies? :)
[04:45] <|rufius|> lavigj: you got it ;)
[04:45] <lavigj> |rufius|: will do. and crap, looks like a kernel recompile for me
[04:46] <|rufius|> lavigj: hmmm not so quicik
[04:46] <|rufius|> lavigj: you need to install "nfs-common"
[04:46] <meuwe> KlasVaag, Thank's... :-)
[04:47] <lavigj> |rufius|: gotcha
[04:48] <bitfoo> anyone know why i cant start totem anymore, and why when i could it couldnt play video files despite having every codec package installed under the sun :|
[04:49] <|rufius|> bitfoo: because totem is a terrible media player
[04:49] <bitfoo> :/
[04:49] <lavigj> |rufius|: :)
[04:49] <Agrajag> no it's not
[04:49] <Agrajag> but gstreamer is a terrible framework
[04:49] <Dreamer3> ok
[04:50] <Dreamer3> anyone run a local imap serveR?
[04:50] <bitfoo> is it :/
[04:50] <bitfoo> crap what should i use instead
[04:50] <bitfoo> i had totem working great on warty but now hoary explodes :(
[04:50] <Agrajag> xine
[04:50] <bitfoo> ok so i'll just remove all gstreamer and install xine?
[04:51] <Agrajag> no, don't remove gstreamer
[04:51] <hybrid> if i update to hoary will i have to re install all my packages?
[04:51] <Dreamer3> ok, which repository are microsoft fonts in?
[04:52] <Dreamer3> found em
[04:52] <lavigj> |rufius|: still not seeing it. I will check the guide at ubuntuguides
[04:52] <lavigj> |rufius|: thanks again
[04:52] <|rufius|> lavigj: hmmm, join me in #lfd and we'll talk more, have to see
[04:52] <|rufius|> Agrajag: all I've ever had since I starting using linux (4 years now) is trouble with totem, mplayer seems to be the only one i have gotten to work properly
[04:53] <Anubis> gnome-desktop-environment:
[04:53] <Anubis>  Depends: nautilus-media but it is not going to be installed
[04:53] <Anubis> ;(
[04:53] <bitfoo> it works fine on warty :(
[04:53] <Anubis> I need more repositories
[04:53] <Anubis> for Hoarty
[04:53] <Anubis> someone share
[04:53] <thundrcleeze> share what?
[04:55] <mdz> Anubis: it sounds like you have too many already
[04:55] <Anubis> I need more repositories
[04:55] <toresbe> heh
[04:55] <mdz> no, you don't
[04:55] <Anubis> mdz, hows that?
[04:55] <mdz> gnome-desktop-environment is an unsupported package
[04:55] <toresbe> "NEEED.... MORE.... REPOSITORIES.... MUST....." :P
[04:55] <mdz> you probably want either ubuntu-desktop or gnome-desktop
[04:56] <Anubis> of course
[04:56] <Anubis> but it won't let me
[04:56] <thundrcleeze> I installed gnome-desktop on a whim and it screwed it up for me.
[04:56] <Dreamer3> thundrcleeze: good job :)
[04:56] <Dreamer3> thundrcleeze: i'm downloading two backports now :)
[04:56] <Anubis> thus the previous lines
[04:56] <thundrcleeze> Thanks, Dreamer3
[04:56] <Mestapheles> hi stuNNed
[04:56] <toresbe> thundrcleeze: grats
[04:56] <toresbe> :P
[04:57] <mdz> Anubis: the solution is not more repositories.  how did you get to this state?
[04:57] <mdz> Anubis: did you install warty and upgrade to hoary? install hoary? upgrade from Debian?
[04:58] <Anubis> warty>hoarty
[04:58] <mdz> Anubis: and why do you think you need gnome-desktop-environment?
[04:59] <Anubis> gnome-fifth-toe:
[04:59] <Anubis>  Depends: gnome-desktop-environment but it is not going to be installed
[04:59] <bitfoo> yah i fixed it :|
[05:00] <chrissturm> hey, what can be the reason when nslookup <donainname> returns a different ip than ping <domainname> (and its not in /etc/hosts)
[05:00] <bitfoo> yay*
[05:00] <Dreamer3> chrissturm: try dig
[05:00] <Dreamer3> chrissturm: is it multi-homed?
[05:00] <bitfoo> how does one never use esd in gnome and always default to alsa ;O
[05:01] <Dreamer3> bitfoo: hmmm i think it's under sound settings (only in hoary)
[05:01] <Dreamer3> but i really have no idea :)
[05:01] <bitfoo> heh
[05:01] <bitfoo> well you can set it in gstreamer-properties :|
[05:01] <bitfoo> but i dont think that is permanent
[05:01] <Dreamer3> i need a lits of apps to move over to turn warty into my primary system
[05:02] <Dreamer3> bitfoo: why wouldn't it be permanent?
[05:02] <bitfoo> also i fixed my issue in gstreamer properties, i had to pick XWindows (no Xv)
[05:02] <bitfoo> because esd starts on boot
[05:02] <chrissturm> dreamer: what is multi-homed?
[05:02] <Dreamer3> bitfoo: hmmmm
[05:02] <Dreamer3> i dunno
[05:02] <mdz> Anubis: some of the packages in universe are not installable at the moment; this is normal in a development branch
[05:02] <Dreamer3> chrissturm: multiple IPs
[05:03] <whiprush_> you need to shut off "enable sound server startup" in sounds too
[05:03] <chrissturm> dreamer3: no, its a subdomain of a domain of mine
[05:03] <sladen> chrissturm: DNS timeouts?  are you trying to ping/nsloopup www.google.com or something similar?
[05:03] <Dreamer3> chrissturm: what is it?
[05:04] <toresbe> Dreamer3: that statement made baby Jesus cry
[05:04] <mdz> I think nautilus-media is obsolete
[05:04] <Dreamer3> toresbe: just feels too fast for a non-prelinked system
[05:05] <bitfoo> hmm mine feels slow...
[05:05] <Dreamer3> bitfoo: too bad :)
[05:05] <Dreamer3> bitfoo: mine feels a little faster than prelinked debian sarge
[05:05] <bitfoo> my hardware is ace too so i dunno :/
[05:05] <toresbe> Dreamer3: are you recovering from a source-based distro?
[05:05] <Dreamer3> toresbe: no :)
[05:05] <Dreamer3> toresbe: debian sarge
[05:05] <bitfoo> probably video driver prob :|
[05:05] <toresbe> ah
[05:05] <Dreamer3> toresbe: close cousin to ubuntu :)
[05:05] <toresbe> Dreamer3: Well, duh :P
[05:06] <Dreamer3> toresbe: just trying to figure out why ubunut feels so fast out of the box
[05:06] <Dreamer3> toresbe: are with crappy unaccelerated video too
[05:06] <andrewski> does anyone know how to clean unnecessary dependencies and if you say deborphan or aptitude, can you suggest how to invoke it?
[05:06] <Dreamer3> andrewski: man deborphan?
[05:07] <andrewski> Dreamer3: i didn't find anything useful; it seemed to imply piping it from elsewhere....
[05:07] <Dreamer3> andrewski: well, how many does deborphan show?
[05:08] <andrewski> a few screensful
[05:08] <andrewski> 75ish...
[05:08] <hybrid> how can i burn a cd in ubuntu
[05:08] <nicedreams> I kept going on and on about the nvidia problem with ubuntu so I went back to debian sarge with xfce4.2     It's been fun...  bye
[05:08] <andrewski> hybrid: k3b, nautilus-cd-burner...
[05:08] <hybrid> how do i get there
[05:09] <hybrid> nvm
[05:09] <andrewski> Dreamer3: ?
[05:09] <Dreamer3> andrewski: sometimes it flags packages as well (things you may not want to remove)
[05:10] <andrewski> Dreamer3: fair enough, but is there any way to remove them?
[05:10] <Dreamer3> andrewski: you'll have to goolgle... you'll like want to pipe that list to something else... or use xargs... or a for loop in bash... i don't know... :)
[05:10] <bitfoo> anyone know how to associate xine with all video files instead of totem :O
[05:10] <Dreamer3> andrewski: yeah apt-get remove package_name
[05:10] <Dreamer3> andrewski: it's automating that you'll have to figure out how to do
[05:14] <andrewski> why is something so useful so difficult in debian/ubuntu?
[05:14] <Dreamer3> andrewski: it's not
[05:14] <whiprush_> bitfoo: I think you have to right click on each seperate mime type and select the default app.
[05:14] <Dreamer3> andrewski: if you use aptitude all the time it handles dependencies automatically... can't speak for synaptic
[05:14] <bitfoo> ahh you are correct thanks whiprush_
[05:14] <Dreamer3> andrewski: i remove a program everything that it needed automatically goes away if its no longer used, like magic :)
[05:14] <andrewski> Dreamer3: yes, but does it uninstall dependencies when they're not needed?
[05:14] <andrewski> oh... maybe i should use aptitude then. :)  (been using synaptic)
[05:14] <Dreamer3> andrewski: yes, if the packages was isntalled with aptitude
[05:14] <Dreamer3> andrewski: if you haven't been using aptitude it can't know
[05:14] <andrewski> that's kind of silly and hackish...
[05:14] <kakalto> could someone help me? on native gnome programs', resolutions are 1024x768 (System Default), but on kde programs (running under gnome), the resolution is 1280x1024 by default.
[05:14] <kakalto> how do I change the kde default resolution
[05:14] <Dreamer3> nothing in the debian package management keeps track of it automatically... that's why deborphan takes a whiel to run... aptitude does, but you have to use it
[05:14] <Dreamer3> kakalto: i'm trying to imagine how that works
[05:14] <Dreamer3> kakalto: what exactly is the problem?
[05:14] <andrewski> Dreamer3: deborphan takes 4 seconds on my machine; why can't i use that list elsewhere?
[05:14] <Dreamer3> andrewski: wow, that's fast
[05:14] <Dreamer3> andrewski: you can, i just told you you'd going ot have to learn how, there are any number of ways, none automated that i know
[05:14] <andrewski> Dreamer3: though i've run it before; maybe it was cached....
[05:15] <jay> hey guys, if anyone could help me.... I'm using a Sound Blaster Live! card but my motherboard has built in AC'97. Long story short, volume control has 4 mixers and I get no sound. I'd like to disable all the mixers but the one for Sound Blaster Live!. Anyonw know how? Thanks
[05:15] <Dreamer3> i need a better background than this ugly brown :)
[05:16] <kakalto> Dreamer3, the kde settings are likely in a different file from the gnome ones
[05:16] <kakalto> therefore the kde resolution is 1280x1024
[05:16] <kakalto> and it tries to carry that over to its applications
[05:17] <andrewski> thanks Dreamer3
[05:17] <kakalto> but what happens, is the application's text is smaller
[05:17] <jay> hey anyone know how I can disable all the sound mixers I don't want?
[05:17] <Dreamer3> there are ubunut's backgrounds by default?
[05:20] <pvh> What package can I find documentation for 'fork()', and 'execv()' in?
[05:20] <pvh> 'man -k execv' gives me "Nothing appropriate."
[05:20] <HaloGray> silly noobie question... what's the command line command for hard drive details?
[05:20] <Dreamer3> how can i reduce a graphic to 16bit color i gimp?
[05:20] <HaloGray> like how much free space is left, etc etc
[05:21] <pvh> HaloGray: DF
[05:21] <HaloGray> thanks
[05:21] <pussfeller> df -h
[05:21] <pvh> HaloGray: Er, df. 'disk free'
[05:21] <kakalto> Dreamer3, you still here?
[05:21] <Dreamer3> kakalto: yeah, i have no idea
[05:21] <johnnygeargrinde> Newb question.
[05:21] <kakalto> ohk
[05:21] <HaloGray> thanks... I knew it was something silly, I used to know it but forgot it
[05:21] <kakalto> I don't suppose you know the command for the kde control center?
[05:21] <Dreamer3> hmmmmmmm
[05:21] <Dreamer3> i can convert to 256 color, but that's not what i want to do
[05:22] <johnnygeargrinde> I wanna see a graphical representation of my hard drive. Where do I look?
[05:22] <Dreamer3> i just want to reduce the # of colors
[05:22] <johnnygeargrinde> When I go to devices directory all hds have a red x
[05:22] <HaloGray> the df command has it all really... how much space is used and free and how much percent is used
[05:22] <HaloGray> it's just not graphical.
[05:22] <johnnygeargrinde> ok
[05:23] <HaloGray> open a terminal and type df
[05:23] <kakalto> does anyone know the command for the kde control center?
[05:23] <johnnygeargrinde> I juct defected!!!
[05:23] <kakalto> 'cause I use gnome, but I want to change my kde settings
[05:23] <johnnygeargrinde> Thanks
[05:23] <johnnygeargrinde> -c +t
[05:23] <pvh> johnnygeargrinde: You could also try 'gnome-system-monitor'
[05:23] <johnnygeargrinde> ok
[05:23] <smo> kakalto: I think it may be "kontrol".  it's been a while tho
[05:24] <johnnygeargrinde> I installed Knoppix a few days ago.
[05:24] <johnnygeargrinde> I got a magazine with a cd in it.
[05:24] <kakalto> smo, thanks
[05:24] <johnnygeargrinde> I threw the cd to the side.
[05:25] <kakalto> smo, kcontrol, but close enough :D
[05:25] <johnnygeargrinde> I read an article about Ubuntu. I said "Hey thats the cd I have". So here I am
[05:25] <Guardiann> johnnygeargrinde welcome
[05:25] <johnnygeargrinde> Thanks
[05:26] <johnnygeargrinde> I have just made it from the DARK SIDE
[05:26] <johnnygeargrinde> I go to school for Networking and its all MS
[05:26] <Guardiann> :)
[05:27] <sladen> johnnygeargrinde: ah, so you know that you have to route everything through localhost to get it to go anywhere... :)
[05:28] <johnnygeargrinde> Actually, havent made it that far yet. Second quarter. :(
[05:29] <johnnygeargrinde> I know that htere is a closer school with a Linux/Unix program. Have already applied.
[05:29] <johnnygeargrinde> Amazing, how your life can change in three days.
[05:29] <johnnygeargrinde> :0
[05:31] <johnnygeargrinde> I have a Flash plugin in my downloads directory. How do I install it?
[05:31] <johnnygeargrinde> Do I go to terminal and type sudo and the directory
[05:31] <johnnygeargrinde> ?
[05:32] <bitfoo> where is nautilus in hoary :O
[05:32] <jamin_l> hey guys... anyone know how to either a) create HTML copy of your Music files or b) read ID3 tags from the terminal?
[05:33] <jamin_l> uh by a) i mean a list in HTML of all the fies in your Music directory. I know WinAMP in Windows was able to do this
[05:34] <thundrcleeze> hoary, at least xorg seems quite a bit slower than warty.  Are the system reqs higher?
[05:35] <Guardiann> johnnygeargrinde check out this site www.ubuntuguide.org
[05:35] <bitfoo> i agree thundrcleeze
[05:35] <johnnygeargrinde> Thank you.
[05:35] <Guardiann> sgould answer several of your questions
[05:35] <Guardiann> yw
[05:36] <thundrcleeze> Do you know why, bitfoo?
[05:36] <bitfoo> no i do not
[05:37] <thundrcleeze> How fast is your system, bitfoo?
[05:38] <bitfoo> fast
[05:38] <bitfoo> gig of ram 1.8 pentium-m 60gig 7200rpm
[05:38] <bitfoo> :|
[05:39] <thundrcleeze> ugh.  I was hoping it was just the 1.0 pentium with 256 ram. Guess not.
[05:39] <pvh> What package can I find the man pages for 'fork()', and 'execv()' in?
[05:39] <bitfoo> i cant get my ati drivers to work correctly though
[05:39] <bitfoo> so that may be it
[05:40] <Dreamer3> sheesh
[05:41] <Dreamer3> how hard is it to find a silly background
[05:41] <Dreamer3> i wouldn't have thoguht so hard
[05:41] <jason_> bitfoo: my windows ladder a bit now after changing to hoary 1.6 pentium-m radeon 9000 32mb
[05:41] <eskilo> anyone here use thunderbird/enigmail?
[05:41] <pvh> Dreamer3: The much debated ubuntu backgrounds?
[05:41] <pvh> Dreamer3: apt-get install ubuntu-calendar
[05:41] <meuwe> everybody, now i use synaptics to install kdevelop, but i didn't install kde, it's fine..??
[05:42] <bitfoo> ladder?
[05:42] <thundrcleeze> I've installed kde apps like K3B with no problems, meuwe
[05:42] <whiprush> eskilo: I do.
[05:42] <jason_> looks like stairs when i move windows around
[05:42] <Dreamer3> pvh: no :) not those, they were a bit much for me, though i like ht elogin screen
[05:42] <Dreamer3> pvh: i was trying to fing Gnome explosion, but I found it :)
[05:43] <pvh> Dreamer3: oh good
[05:43] <meuwe> thundrcleeze, ok, thank's...
[05:43] <johnnygeargrinde> When I update I get messages saying that packages do not exist. Try apt-get update
[05:43] <johnnygeargrinde> Or cannot be opened
[05:43] <froust> What's the easiest way to remote desktop to a windows box from ubuntu?
[05:44] <thundrcleeze> They should make some ubuntu wallpapers that are general, and maybe add some blues or reds to them while still throwing in the logo.
[05:45] <Guardiann> johnnygeargrinde did you update your source list
[05:45] <toganet> froust: VNC is your best bet -- www.tightvnc.com
[05:45] <johnnygeargrinde> my repositories?
[05:45] <Guardiann> yes
[05:45] <johnnygeargrinde> Yes
[05:45] <Dreamer3> i switched it to plain brown (no background) and it reveals some slight visual anomalies in my otherwise perfect 19" lcd screen
[05:45] <johnnygeargrinde> I did not add testing and unstable though
[05:46] <Dreamer3> nothing i'd ever notice in day to day use or with any other backgrounds
[05:46] <Dreamer3> johnnygeargrinde: are you the backports guy? :)
[05:46] <johnnygeargrinde> No
[05:46] <johnnygeargrinde> I just defected.
[05:46] <johnnygeargrinde> :)
[05:47] <Dreamer3> johnnygeargrinde: i keep getting disconnected trying to get firefox, but i keep trying and getting more and more
[05:47] <Dreamer3> wow, if i play around in the change background dialog i start getting all somes of gnome panel errors and the panels all crash
[05:48] <Dreamer3> this is a stock install and i've added one panel :)
[05:48] <zenwhen> I am trying to upgrade to hoary and it wants to remove gnome?
[05:48] <zenwhen> :(
[05:48] <johnnygeargrinde> k
[05:48] <Guardiann> yep and then it will reinstall
[05:48] <Dreamer3> zenwhen: try again when you're ready to risk such dangerous things :)
[05:48] <zenwhen> why is it wanting to remove gnome?
[05:49] <zenwhen> That is all I am asking.
[05:49] <Guardiann> cause it will install a new version
[05:49] <zenwhen> It isnt though.
[05:49] <thundrcleeze> It's replacing gnome
[05:49] <thundrcleeze> I just did it, no problems.
[05:49] <Guardiann> :)
[05:49] <froust> toganet: will that interface with windows' remote desktop?
[05:50] <toganet> froust: No -- for that, you should use rdesktop
[05:50] <froust> ahh.
[05:51] <froust> toganet: thanks
[05:52] <johnnygeargrinde> I have a flash plugin in my downloads. To install, do I type sudo and the full path to the plugin?
[05:52] <Skif> so I'm trying to compile madwifi drivers for my new laptop, and it turns out that apparently I need a kernel with CONFIG_MODVERSIONS=n; am I SOL, ubuntu-support-wise, or is there a workaround?
[05:52] <Dreamer3> Skif: why would that matter?
[05:52] <Dreamer3> Skif: you just need to compile the module AGAINST the ubuntu kernel version
[05:52] <theoddone33> I upgrade from debian to warty to hoary
[05:53] <theoddone33> I used to have symlinks to /dev/cdrom
[05:53] <theoddone33> and /dev/dvd
[05:53] <theoddone33> what do I need to do to remake them?
[05:53] <toganet> Anybody getting "Not starting NFS kernel daemon: No exports." when trying to start NFS, even though /etc/exports exists?
[05:53] <theoddone33> since /dev/hdc and /dev/hdd are no longer there either
[05:53] <Dreamer3> gosh, don't tell me all that is supposed to change
[05:53] <Skif> Dreamer3: that's what I thought, but I keep getting unresolved symbol errors, and the mailing lists etc. all say the fix is to compile with CONFIG_MODVERSIONS=n
[05:54] <redrum> can someone tell me how to install ati drivers?
[05:55] <Dreamer3> Skif: i'm not sure that will solve the unresolved symbol errors
[05:55] <nitrox_> I got a question... If I switch motherboard would it be safe to recompile the kernel or just it things get detected
[05:55] <dutch> evening
[05:55] <Skif> Dreamer3: well, I'm going to try compiling my own linux-image with CONFIG_MODVERSIONS=n and see :-\
[05:55] <dr_willis> ive had some issues doing such a big change nitrox_
[05:55] <toganet> redrum: check out the HowTo: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto/view?searchterm=ati%20drivers
[05:55] <Dreamer3> Skif: good luck, let me know how it turns out, as that should break all the ubuntu book stuff :)
[05:56] <redrum> toganet: thx
[05:56] <Skif> Dreamer3: ubuntu book stuff?
[05:56] <Dreamer3> Skif: boot
[05:56] <Skif> er, great
[05:56] <Dreamer3> Skif: but YYMV, i haven't tried it... but the custom initrd boot sequence things leaves me worried about a custom kernel :)
[05:56] <nitrox_> Dr. Willis what do you recommend.. I freshing install then transfer files from the old system
[05:57] <Skif> Dreamer3: I've compiled custom kernels before, but not in some time
[05:57] <Dreamer3> Skif: compiled them with ubuntu?
[05:58] <Skif> Dreamer3: yeah, I needed to use upstream keyspan drivers for a particular adapter that needed downloaded firmware
[05:58] <Dreamer3> Skif: well, good luck, may not be as bad as i think
[05:59] <Dreamer3> Skif: i'm just going to see how far the ubuntu kernel takes me (on sarge i compiled new -ck* kernels all the time for interactivity)
[05:59] <Skif> Dreamer3: it's normally fairly good, but if you need anything not included, I've discovered it's often a pain to get there from here
[06:01] <linuxboy> what do i need to install to play dvds in totem?
[06:01] <redrum> how can i tell which kernel i'm running?
[06:01] <Skif> redrum: uname -r
[06:01] <linuxboy> redrum: type uname -a
[06:01] <Skif> or -a, whatever :)
[06:01] <theoddone33> well crap, how nonintuitive
[06:01] <billytwowilly> hmm. anyone know if I can mount a .bin file so I don't have to burn it to disk?
[06:01] <theoddone33> oh well, my problem is solved
[06:01] <HrdwrBoB> billytwowilly: use bchunk then it's an iso then you can mount it
[06:01] <Skif> billytwowilly: sudo mount -o loop file.iso dir
[06:02] <billytwowilly> thanks guys. That was fast:)
[06:03] <Skif> billytwowilly: just be glad you didn't ask that the day I decided to answer all technical questions like a character from a bad Regency romance novel
[06:03] <billytwowilly> Heh, that would have been sexy;)
[06:03] <Skif> took me three days just to get around to answering "hi, how are ya"
[06:03] <redrum> i can't get sound to work :(.  I have an on-board realtek soundcard (using SPDIF)...
[06:04] <crimsun> "realtek soundcard" really doesn't tell me anything, unfortunately.
[06:04] <crimsun> I need the relevant line from lspci -v
[06:04] <redrum> it's a reaktek ac850 chipset (?)
[06:04] <niptac> hey guys what does this mean? "The JAVA_HOME environment variable is not defined
[06:04] <niptac> This environment variable is needed to run this program
[06:04] <niptac> " I just installed java
[06:04] <crimsun> redrum: from lspci -v ?
[06:05] <redrum> looking...
[06:05] <crimsun> niptac: export JAVA_HOME=/path/to/java_home
[06:06] <niptac> crimsun: do I just link it?
[06:06] <crimsun> niptac: come again?
[06:06] <redrum> crimsun: "0000:00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 60)"
[06:06] <niptac> I think I stuffed it all up cause I installed same java twice
[06:06] <crimsun> redrum: lsmod|grep ^snd_via82xx
[06:07] <redrum> crimsun: snd_via82xx            30436  3
[06:07] <niptac> first time I made it exexutable with chmod and run it second time I sh it and installed in 2 different places
[06:08] <crimsun> redrum: seems to be detected just fine. Paste the output of amixer to http://pastebin.ca
[06:09] <redrum> crimsun: done
[06:09] <redrum> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/5450
[06:09] <crimsun> (next time use your irc nick)
[06:10] <redrum> ok
[06:10] <niptac> crimsun I dont really understand what to do :\
[06:11] <crimsun> redrum: enable your iec958*
[06:11] <redrum> crimsun: how do i do that
[06:11] <crimsun> redrum: then test with aplay -Dplug:spdif foo.wav
[06:11] <crimsun> redrum: use alsamixer
[06:12] <crimsun> niptac: where did you install the jre/jdk?
[06:12] <audix> Can anybody point me to the package I need to install so I have man pages for c programming language functions?
[06:12] <nitrox_>  /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process
[06:12] <crimsun> audix: manpages-dev
[06:12] <nitrox_> Getting that message while trying to install Mysql via apt-get
[06:13] <redrum> crimsun: how do i 'enable' in alsamixer?
[06:13] <crimsun> redrum: unmute and increase the volume
[06:13] <audix> crimsun: thx... damnit, I must be having more repository problems
[06:13] <Skif> nitrox_: do you have synaptic or aptitude running at the same time?
[06:14] <redrum> crimsun: i have 3 iec958*'s - how do i 'unmute'? one is on the rest are off
[06:14] <Skif> == at the same time you try the apt-get, not at the same time as each other
[06:15] <nitrox_> No
[06:15] <nitrox_> I don't have anything running
[06:15] <Dreamer3> hmmmmmmmm
[06:15] <Dreamer3> does rythmbox not do mp3?
[06:15] <nitrox_> Even checked the system monitor to see if it was loaded
[06:16] <crimsun> redrum: 'm'
[06:16] <crimsun> Dreamer3: it sure does.
[06:16] <Dreamer3> crimsun: not working for the life of me
[06:16] <crimsun> Dreamer3: did you follow the instructions for 'gstreamer0.8-mad' on /wiki/RestrictedFormats ?
[06:16] <regeya> Dreamer3, you need a mad plugin for gstreamer
[06:16] <regeya> meh
[06:16] <Dreamer3> crimsun: ok, that's it :)
[06:16] <regeya> bless you crimsun
[06:17] <Skif> nitrox_: did you maybe reboot with one open or something?
[06:17] <niptac> crimsun I just did cd /home/niptac then chmod +x then cd /usr/local then run the .bin file as /home/niptac then I did ln -s j2sdk1.4.2_05 java
[06:17] <Dreamer3> crimsun: thanks, coming down now :)
[06:17] <Skif> nitrox_: it could be very bad if you have one running and you delete the lock file and then try to do something with it is why I'm asking
[06:17] <regeya> hm...that mp3 I just made of the galactica themesong (exported from kino) seems to have a dc element :-P
[06:17] <nitrox_> I never ran synaptic since i installed the system
[06:18] <Dreamer3> sweet :)
[06:18] <nitrox_> MYSQL is the first thing i want to install
[06:18] <crimsun> niptac: so you need to do: export JAVA_HOME=/usr/local/j2sdk1.4.2_05
[06:18] <crimsun> niptac: and export PATH=$JAVA_HOME/bin:$PATH
[06:19] <nitrox_> I understand
[06:19] <Skif> nitrox_: assuming not, then rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[06:19] <Dreamer3> now if only i figure out how to get e-mail working :)
[06:19] <Skif> dreamer: apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird :P
[06:19] <billytwowilly> evolution rules
[06:20] <niptac> crimsun after that I thought it didn't install so I did cd /home/niptac sh j2sdk1.4.2_05 and then did ln -s j2sdk1.4.2_05 java and this time it is in my home folder also so I think I installed it twice
[06:20] <Skif> billytwowilly: not when I can't selectively apply a proxy to a specific account
[06:20] <Dreamer3> Skif: i know which e-mail client i want... just trying to migrate from debian sarge to ubuntu without going crazy
[06:20] <redrum> crimsun: do I have to test with a .wav file?
[06:20] <Dreamer3> i have thousands of e-mails in different formats :)
[06:20] <crimsun> redrum: yes.
[06:20] <Skif> if, say, I want to check my home email at work, I can't do that with evolution
[06:20] <Dreamer3> and ubuntu isn't completely setup up
[06:20] <Skif> well, apparently not without significant pain, which I'm not willing to suffer
[06:20] <Dreamer3> Skif: why not?
[06:21] <Dreamer3> Skif: evolutions does IMAP
[06:21] <audix> Can anybody help me with repositories?  I don't know why, but my search for manpages-dev doesn't give me what I want.  This package surely exists, I think I don't have the correct repository set...
[06:21] <Skif> dreamer: but it doesn't do imap proxy on account A, but not on account B
[06:21] <Dreamer3> Skif: interesting
[06:21] <Skif> dreamer: it assumes you have the same access methods for all your email
[06:21] <crimsun> audix: you need 'main' repo
[06:21] <crimsun> audix: enable it in Synaptic>Settings>Repositories
[06:22] <Skif> Dreamer3: I found a page which describes a way to hack around it, but it was ugly, and my first couple of tries didn't succeed
[06:22] <nitrox_> Skif: I am just going to try a reboot and see what happens
[06:22] <nitrox_> She if that help the situation
[06:22] <nitrox_> See*
[06:22] <Skif> nitrox_: if I'm right, it'll still be locked after reboot, so you will be able to delete it with a clear conscience
[06:22] <redrum> crimsun: "aplay: test_wavefile:686: can't play not PCM-coded WAVE-files"
[06:23] <audix> crimsun: thx, that did it... I blindly followed some tutorial on repository setup that didn't include those ones for whatever reason...
[06:23] <nitrox_> I did the /var/lib/dpkg/lock already
[06:23] <crimsun> redrum: so play a .wav file...
[06:23] <redrum> crimsun: it IS (I think...)
[06:23] <Dreamer3> i love how they are so close i can just copy most of my debian sarge settings over :)
[06:23] <crimsun> redrum: no it's not.
[06:23] <Dreamer3> setting up gkrellm just right always sucks
[06:24] <redrum> crimsun: ok i'll look for another
[06:24] <Skif> Dreamer3: I wish they'd use ifplugd instead of continually running dhclient on every eth interface, though
[06:24] <Skif> Dreamer3: it clutters /var/log/syslog something fierce
[06:24] <Dreamer3> Skif: huh?
[06:24] <crimsun> Skif: patches are welcome.
[06:24] <Skif> crimsun: I'm working on it
[06:24] <crimsun> Skif: (for Hoary+1)
[06:25] <Skif> crimsun: *nod*
[06:25] <Dreamer3> it's below 50 in my house :)
[06:25] <Skif> crimsun: I had ifplugd working on sid, but haven't gotten around to re-creating it on ubuntu yet
[06:27] <redrum> crimsun: aplay output:  http://pastebin.ca/5451
[06:27] <bl4cks4ils> hi
[06:27] <bl4cks4ils> hi
[06:27] <redrum> crimsun: no sound though
[06:28] <sig_ubuntu> thought I'd give a little eye candy on my ubuntu laptop install
[06:28] <sig_ubuntu> http://www.linuxgoons.com/screenshots/ubuntucurrent.png
[06:28] <crimsun> redrum: with aplay -l, do you see pcm.spdif ?
[06:28] <crimsun> err, aplay -L
[06:29] <bl4cks4ils> i'd like to mount my mac partition when i boot up. what is the file i'll need to edit called?
[06:29] <bl4cks4ils> and the location
[06:29] <sig_ubuntu> bl4cks4ils: http://ubuntuguide.org
[06:29] <jamin_l> hey guys... anyone know how to create an HTMLized playlist copy of your Music files?
[06:29] <Dreamer3> are there any good "mac dock like" things for linux? :)
[06:29] <redrum> crimsun: "spdif 'cards.pcm.iec958'"
[06:30] <Dreamer3> something like KDE where the icons geta  little larger when you hover is all i like :)
[06:30] <sig_ubuntu> http://ubuntuguide.org/#hardware
[06:30] <crimsun> redrum: tried plug:iec958 then?
[06:31] <redrum> crimsun: how so?
[06:31] <sig_ubuntu> jamin_l: yeah I know a guy in #linuxdojo that does
[06:31] <sig_ubuntu> named krieggod
[06:31] <jamin_l> hmm thanks
[06:31] <cybervyk> Hello?  Got a couple of questions ...?
[06:32] <cybervyk> ... about cd writers ...
[06:32] <nuuB> hi, i just installed ubuntu and did the modem howto - all went well and the isp said my connected fine - but i opened firefox to test it out and cant get any websites to open - what did i do wrong?
[06:32] <redrum> crimsun: what do you mean?
[06:33] <wliu> hi, can someone help me debug why my Sony DVD writer isn't working using Nautilus (or cdrecord from the command prompt for that matter) ?
[06:33] <sig_ubuntu> http://www.cafepress.com/ubuntushop.14580695
[06:33] <Dreamer3> if ubuntu slows down in 6 months i won't be happy
[06:33] <crimsun> -D...
[06:33] <crimsun> ^ redrum
[06:33] <crimsun> wliu: what are you typing at the cli?
[06:34] <wliu> crimsun: cdrecord -v speed=1 dev=0,0,0 image.iso
[06:34] <crimsun> wliu: wrong syntax.
[06:34] <crimsun> wliu: what device is your dvdr?
[06:35] <cybervyk> Can someone explain how I would use scsi emulation in Ubuntu 4.10 and grub?  I am using the amd64 distro with kernel  <IP_ADDRESS>-3.
[06:35] <crimsun> cybervyk: why do you need scsi emulation?
[06:35] <bluefoxicy> I have one we need for a fortune cookie
[06:35] <wliu> crimsun: cdrecord --scanbus  tells me its on scsibus0:  0,0,0
[06:35] <bluefoxicy> "nobody who can think should ever be forced into a situation that bores them."
[06:35] <redrum> crimsun: ok i'm lost
[06:35] <crimsun> wliu: --scanbus is deprecated for 2.6 kernels and atapi cdrs and dvdrs
[06:36] <crimsun> wliu: use -dev=/dev/hdX instead
[06:36] <cybervyk> Well, maybe I don't.  Many howtos I've read suggest it.  It does not seem to work.  Anyway, if I don't need it, I'll leave it but I have troubles with k3b.
[06:36] <wliu> crimsun: ohhhh..... does nautilus still use the old method, which is why that doesn't work?
[06:36] <crimsun> cybervyk: see what I just typed to wliu.
[06:37] <cybervyk> Thank you, brb
[06:37] <redrum> crimsun: damn that works
[06:37] <redrum> crimsun: the plug:iec958 device...
[06:37] <crimsun> redrum: I know.
[06:38] <redrum> crimsun: obviously.  now how do i get it to work all the time :D
[06:38] <crimsun> ...it does work all the time. Do you mean by default?
[06:38] <wliu> crimsun: still giving me the same error
[06:38] <redrum> yes sir
[06:38] <crimsun> wliu: what syntax are you using?
[06:39] <wliu> cdrecord -v speed=1 -dev=/dev/hdX image.iso
[06:39] <cybervyk> OK. Anyhow, I was hoping to use k3b to burn.  I have a DVD write / CD writer combo drive.  K3b recognizes a dvd writer but not a cd write.  Understand?
[06:39] <Dreamer3> ok
[06:39] <cybervyk> *DVD writer
[06:39] <Dreamer3> now for evolution
[06:39] <Dreamer3> *shivers*
[06:39] <crimsun> redrum: create an ~/.asoundrc or an /etc/asound.conf with the following contents: pcm.!default { type plug slave.pcm "iec958" } ctl.!default { type hw card 0 }
[06:39] <bl4cks4ils> sudo mount /dev/hda3 /macosx hfsplus -  is that right?
[06:39] <bl4cks4ils> sudo mount /dev/hda3 /macosx -t hfsplus
[06:40] <redrum> crimsun: are either files preferable?
[06:40] <crimsun> wliu: you're supposed to replace 'X' with the actual character
[06:40] <wliu> crimsun: :)
[06:40] <crimsun> redrum: completely your preference.
[06:40] <wliu> crimsun: how can i tell which letter it would be?
[06:41] <crimsun> wliu: dmesg will tell you.
[06:41] <eskilo> anyone know much about gnupg? i'm trying to generate keys that use the toughest standards possible, like aes256 and such..
[06:41] <crimsun> eskilo: err...?
[06:41] <da_bon_bon> anyone using gnomebaker on warty ?
[06:41] <eskilo> what?
[06:41] <Dreamer3> anyone familiar with imap servers?
[06:41] <eskilo> yes
[06:41] <eskilo> what about them?
[06:41] <crimsun> eskilo: gpg really isn't concerned with aes.
[06:41] <Dreamer3> i need to pick a good one
[06:41] <Dreamer3> was using courier, but it felt very slow
[06:42] <eskilo> crimsun:  aes is one of the many options you can use for your key.
[06:42] <eskilo> for the crypto alg.
[06:42] <cybervyk> Has anyone had an issue with any burning app that acknowledges a combo drive as a DVD writer but not a CD writer?
[06:42] <Skif> Dreamer3: well, cyrus is the only standards-compliant imap server
[06:42] <Skif> Dreamer3: it's a little confusing to set up, but it's very happy once you do
[06:42] <bl4cks4ils> ...
[06:42] <Dreamer3> Skif: but is it FAST?
[06:42] <Skif> Dreamer3: the lists are very helpful
[06:42] <crimsun> eskilo: in which version?
[06:42] <Dreamer3> Skif: i can't imagine for the life of me while a local IMAP server should EVERY be slow
[06:43] <Dreamer3> Skif: creating, renaming, deleting folders should be INSTANT
[06:43] <Skif> Dreamer3: you could argue that since the others aren't technically IMAP servers, it's the fastest by virtue of being the only one :)
[06:43] <Dreamer3> Skif: does it do maildir and sub-folders?
[06:43] <Skif> dreamer: I've never used it locally, so I'm not sure.  It's fast enough for my needs.  It doesn't use maildir, it has its own storage format, but it does to subdirs
[06:43] <Skif> s/to/do/
[06:43] <Dreamer3> Skif: hmmm
[06:43] <wliu> crimsun: it says it couldn't open /dev/hdc exclusively (permission denied)
[06:44] <Dreamer3> Skif: i have this terrible paranoia of my data getting stuck in proprietary storage formats
[06:44] <wliu> crimsun: it also complained about not be able to do mlockall and RR-scheduler
[06:44] <Skif> Dreamer3: it's not proprietary, it's specc'd, it's just that nobody else uses it
[06:44] <crimsun> wliu: are you using sudo?
[06:44] <Skif> Dreamer3: there are all sorts of locking issues with maildir that make it slow, so if you want speed, you definitely don't want that
[06:44] <wliu> crimsun: of course not.  if i did, i wouldnt be here :)
[06:45] <crimsun> eskilo: which options did you choose in creating your keypair?
[06:45] <Dreamer3> Skif: but getmail can deliver straight to maildir
[06:45] <Dreamer3> Skif: how would i set that up with cyrus?
[06:45] <Skif> Dreamer3: what's getmail?  fetchmail clone?
[06:45] <Dreamer3> Skif: yes
[06:45] <Skif> Dreamer3: just have it deliver to your local MTA, and tell that to deliver to cyrus
[06:45] <wliu> crumsun: ok, now it says open by 'devname' is unintentional and not supported.  cdrecord invalid argument.  cannot set SG_SET_TIMEOUT
[06:46] <redrum> which program should I use to play .mp3's?
[06:46] <Dreamer3> Skif: starting to sound complicated :)
[06:46] <Skif> Dreamer3: the cyrus packages have all sorts of "insert this into your {postfix,sendmail,whatever} conf file" snippets
[06:46] <eskilo> crimsun:  dsa, el gamal
[06:46] <Dreamer3> Skif: i'm looking at the FAQ now
[06:46] <crimsun> eskilo: option (1)?
[06:46] <Skif> dreamer: well, running a real IMAP server isn't trivial :)
[06:46] <eskilo> it didn't offer the aes256..you have to add it as a command line option or something.
[06:46] <eskilo> yeah i think 1
[06:47] <redrum> how do I get those little graphs in the taskbar with cpu load, etc?
[06:47] <Dreamer3> Skif: i don't want a real imap server, justa message store where my inbox goes... hence imap and getmail :)
[06:47] <wliu> crimsun: any reason why nautilus isn't doing this for me?
[06:47] <eskilo> redrum:  right click on the bar and add an apple.
[06:47] <Skif> dreamer: um, if you're just delivering locally, then why bother with imap at all?
[06:47] <eskilo> applet.
[06:47] <eskilo> imap is so rad
[06:47] <Dreamer3> Skif: because i need to be able to get to this mail from any computer on the network
[06:47] <regeya> redrum, are you asking because you're unable to play mp3s under rhythmbox, or because you don't like rhythmbox, or what :-)  because the answer to the first is in the ubuntu wiki...someone post a link...
[06:47] <redrum> regeya: thx