[03:04] <DurtDiggler> anybody know of any obvious reasons that my mythtv seems as if it's recording my programs, but all the .nuv files are only about 57.3KB in size and the png files are just black
[03:05] <hads> What type of capture card?
[03:05] <hads> Also
[03:05] <DurtDiggler> pvr 250
[03:05] <hads> !logs
[03:05] <Zinn> MythTV logs are stored in /var/log/mythtv/
[03:05] <hads> At a guess, you've got it setup as the wrong type of card in mythtv-setup
[03:06] <DurtDiggler> hm
[03:06] <hads> Recordings from a PVRx50 should be mpg
[03:06] <tgm4883_laptop> yea the pvr 250 shouldn't make .nuv files
[03:06] <DurtDiggler> ohh
[03:06] <DurtDiggler> whats the name of the log I should be checking
[03:07] <hads> the backend one, but I'd guess that's your issue.
[03:07] <tgm4883_laptop> it would be the backend log, but i'd just fix the card type
[03:07] <hads> snap :)
[03:07] <DurtDiggler> right now I only have a backend
[03:07] <DurtDiggler> I should still be able to record and see my recordings thorugh mythweb right?
[03:07] <tgm4883_laptop> it's /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log
[03:07] <tgm4883_laptop> not if it's not recording
[03:08] <tgm4883_laptop> which i assume it's not
[03:08] <DurtDiggler> well yah
[03:08] <hads> But yes
[03:08] <DurtDiggler> lemme check the card settings
[03:10] <DurtDiggler> what shoudl the card type be
[03:11] <DurtDiggler> for a pvr 250
[03:11] <tgm4883_laptop> err
[03:11] <DurtDiggler> card type should be
[03:11] <tgm4883_laptop> hardware encoder card?
[03:11] <DurtDiggler> *
[03:12] <tgm4883_laptop> I believe it says something to the effect of (PVR-XXX)
[03:12] <hads> Yeah, Hardware MPEG (PVR-x50) or something to that effect.
[03:12] <DurtDiggler> well Im looking through the drop down in the mythtv setup
[03:12] <hads> Yes
[03:12] <DurtDiggler> oh duh
[03:13] <DurtDiggler> yeah I missed that one
[03:13] <hads> :)
[03:13] <SHADOW__X> whats settings need to be used inside xorg to get dvi and tv out in a asus m2npv-vm
[03:13] <DurtDiggler> no wonder this things not working
[03:16] <DurtDiggler> is it true you can run a front end just from a CD?
[03:16] <DurtDiggler> I thought I read that somewhere
[03:16] <SHADOW__X> using mythbuntu
[03:16] <SHADOW__X> yes
[03:17] <DurtDiggler> ohh yeah
[03:17] <DurtDiggler> thats why I didn't see that option
[03:17] <DurtDiggler> I have mythdora
[03:17] <SHADOW__X> :)
[03:18] <DurtDiggler> they werent too big on the web design part of this it seems
[03:18] <SHADOW__X> i feel like it is quite functional
[03:18] <SHADOW__X> :_)
[03:18] <SHADOW__X> :)
[03:18] <hads> I'm sure patches would be welcome.
[03:19] <DurtDiggler> oh yeah it's functional for sure
[03:19] <DurtDiggler> I think I might have to make a really nice skin for this thing
[03:22] <DurtDiggler> would my recordings come out ok if my storage is a cifs mount from my file server
[03:22] <SHADOW__X> should be asong as its auto mounted and speed is good
[03:23] <DurtDiggler> yeah Im figuring my network speed is much faster than the bitrate
[03:24] <tgm4883_laptop> with a PVR 250, as long as you got at least wireless G you should be fine
[03:24] <DurtDiggler> haha wireless
[03:25] <DurtDiggler> is that saying something bad about pvr 250?
[03:26] <tgm4883_laptop> nope
[03:26] <tgm4883_laptop> i'm just giving the minimum specs
[03:26] <tgm4883_laptop> well
[03:26] <tgm4883_laptop> the recommended specs
[03:26] <tgm4883_laptop> since it's SD not HD
[03:26] <tgm4883_laptop> HD you need to be wired
[03:27] <DurtDiggler> oh well yeah
[03:27] <DurtDiggler> I jsut read a whole lot about the cards and it seemed that most poeple go with the pvr 250
[03:27] <tgm4883_laptop> whats the 250 have that the 150 doesn't?
[03:27] <tgm4883_laptop> I have a 150 and a 500
[03:27] <DurtDiggler> yeah I want a 500
[03:27] <hads> Yeah, I'd say the 150 is probably most common.
[03:28] <DurtDiggler> but it's so hard to find
[03:28] <DurtDiggler> oh yeah I think 150 and 250 were pretty close
[03:28] <DurtDiggler> I forgot what was different
[03:28] <hads> They 250 and 150 do the same thing, I think the 150 is newer.
[03:28] <hads> (and still old now)
[03:28] <DurtDiggler> I read that the quality is slightly better with the 250
[03:28] <tgm4883_laptop> iirc they are end of life now
[03:28] <hads> Yup
[03:29] <DurtDiggler> the 500 looked really nice
[03:29] <DurtDiggler> as long as you don't have the samsung tuner I guess
[03:29] <DurtDiggler> type b or something like that
[03:30] <tgm4883_laptop> honestly i'd prefer if the digital mandate was sooner
[03:30] <DurtDiggler> hah yeah
[03:31] <tgm4883_laptop> the pvr cards are nice, but once you go digital there is no comparison
[03:32] <DurtDiggler> wahts your opinion on hardware encoding
[03:32] <DurtDiggler> does it really take a lot of cpu without it
[03:32] <tgm4883_laptop> its a must.  Thats why the PVR cards are so popular
[03:32] <DurtDiggler> ah
[03:33] <DurtDiggler> thats what I figured
[03:33] <tgm4883_laptop> software encoders (besides the higher cpu) have other issues as well
[03:33] <DurtDiggler> I felt like I needed a card that does it's own encoding, but wasnt sure how important it was
[03:34] <tgm4883_laptop> it's pretty important, although that will confuse people when things are digital
[03:34] <DurtDiggler> probably so much easier with digital
[03:34] <tgm4883_laptop> well it's not necessary with digital
[03:35] <DurtDiggler> thers no converting though right
[03:35] <tgm4883_laptop> it comes pre-encoded
[03:35] <hads> You receive it and put it on the disk. That's it.
[03:36] <DurtDiggler> nice thats what I figured
[03:36] <DurtDiggler> less heat less power consumption
[03:39] <DurtDiggler> for some reason after I changed my card type my upcoming recordings page is empty
[03:39] <tgm4883_laptop> DurtDiggler, did you also do steps 3 and 4?
[03:40] <DurtDiggler> oh oops I didn't follow through it
[03:40] <tgm4883_laptop> thats probably it
[03:40] <tgm4883_laptop> it's not connected to the lineup anymore
[03:40] <tgm4883_laptop> you should only need to do step 4
[03:40] <DurtDiggler> oh wait
[03:40] <DurtDiggler> there was nothing else to do
[03:41] <gndprx> Evening.  I am going through an install from 8.04.1 Live CD.  It goes through the motions to install and then returns to the LiveCD X desktop and never launches a Myth Setup.  Did I miss something?
[03:42] <gndprx> If I remove the CD and reboot, it boots to a terminal login rather than into ubuntu
[03:44] <tgm4883_laptop> gndprx, let me run through a quick install
[03:45] <gndprx> thx
[03:47] <DurtDiggler> I thought it's supposed to check for duplicates
[03:47] <DurtDiggler> it seems it keeps trying to record the same show over if it shows for a second time
[03:52] <tgm4883_laptop> gndprx, did you boot into the live environment or just the installer?
[03:53] <gndprx> I've tried both ways and both end with the same result
[03:53] <gndprx> If I boot directly to the installer, it installs and then drops me to the live cd desktop
[03:54] <gndprx> if I go through the live environment, it just returns me to the same after the install
[03:55] <gndprx> I just did a sudo startx from the terminal, went to the mythbuntu control center and it won't let me launch mythtv setup
[03:56] <gndprx> interesting.  hardly anything loaded when I launched X.  No network or anything
[03:57] <tgm4883_laptop> did you verify your cd burn?
[03:57] <gndprx> yes
[03:58] <gndprx> actually
[03:58] <gndprx> I verified the iso
[03:58] <gndprx> didn't verify the burn
[03:58] <gndprx> let me do that now
[04:04] <tgm4883_laptop> gndprx, is it the i386 or amd64 disk?
[04:04] <gndprx> i386
[04:04] <tgm4883_laptop> ok
[04:04] <tgm4883_laptop> did that cd check out?
[04:05] <tgm4883_laptop> i just did a virtualbox install here just fine
[04:05] <gndprx> I can run it against the iso and get a hash. How do I check the burn?
[04:05] <gndprx> I'm assuming your talking about md5sum
[04:06] <tgm4883_laptop> yea
[04:07] <DurtDiggler> what is supposed to happen when there is a conflict
[04:07] <DurtDiggler> does it not record any of them?
[04:07] <tgm4883_laptop> gndprx, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM#MD5SUM%20on%20CD
[04:08] <tgm4883_laptop> DurtDiggler, it will record which ever one has a higher priority
[04:08] <DurtDiggler> oh ok
[04:08] <tgm4883_laptop> DurtDiggler, i'm not sure what happens if they have the same priority
[04:08] <DurtDiggler> it seems I had 2 and they jsut disapeared
[04:11] <gndprx> just waiting for it to finish
[04:12] <gndprx> ran md5sum per that page and it returned nothing.  Just back to a prompt
[04:13] <gndprx> so looks like it's good
[04:13] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[04:13] <tgm4883_laptop> well maybe not
[04:14] <gndprx> should it return any values?
[04:14] <tgm4883_laptop> yea it should return ok
[04:14] <tgm4883_laptop> let me check something
[04:17] <tgm4883_laptop> heh
[04:18] <tgm4883_laptop> gndprx, boot the live cd, there should be a verify cd on the boot menu
[04:18] <gndprx> k
[04:19] <gndprx> Check CD for Defects - and it's running now
[04:21] <gndprx> Check finished, no errors found
[04:22] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[04:24] <gndprx> Is there a benefit to installing the mythbuntu cd over installing Heron and then putting myth over top of it?
[04:25] <gndprx> I do know that Heron will install
[04:26] <tgm4883_laptop> gndprx, well you wouldn't have the extra gnome stuff installed
[04:26] <tgm4883_laptop> although you could do a number of things
[04:26] <tgm4883_laptop> if you are not worried about the disk space, do it that way
[04:27] <tgm4883_laptop> if you are, then install either xubuntu (since we use the xfce desktop) or install the command line system and apt-get install mythbuntu-desktop
[04:27] <tgm4883_laptop> or you could try the alternate cd
[04:27] <gndprx> What is the alternate cd anyway?
[04:27] <tgm4883_laptop> non live cd install
[04:28] <gndprx> maybe I'll give that a try before I do anything else
[04:28] <tgm4883_laptop> it usually is used to for people who have graphical issues when installing, but may fix your problem
[04:29] <gndprx> setup to download now and I'll give that a try later or tomorrow.  If not, I'll drop back by again
[04:29] <gndprx> thanks for your help so far
[04:30] <gndprx> back tomorrow...thx
[04:34] <doje_> hi, I'm having trouble getting my ATI remote working. I've tried both the kernel and userspace drivers
[04:36] <doje_> it shows up in lsusb and lsmod, but irw gives no output.  what am I missing ?
[04:37] <DurtDiggler> hey it's recording now :)
[04:41] <zabbadapp> doje_: is lirc configured correct?
[04:43] <doje_> zabbadapp: I configured it from the control center.  it's running and the various files look ok from I can tell
[04:46] <zabbadapp> do you have the ati listed when you do "cat /proc/bus/input/devices" .. i don't use an ati (radio controlled, right?) remote, so i'm not sure it should show up there
[04:47] <doje_> zabbadapp: no, it's not listed there
[04:47] <doje_> zabbadapp: I see it in lsusb though
[04:49] <zabbadapp> IF it had been listed there, I would have asked you to check /etc/lirc/hardware.conf to see if the event<number> matched between the two ... but i don't know if lirc work like that for that remote
[04:50] <doje_> zabbadapp: I've had it working with lirc before
[04:51] <cr3ol> Can someone help me with a flash problem? I want to be able to play flash from watchtvsitcoms.com via mythtv. I can watch them via firefox. any ideas?
[04:53] <tgm4883_laptop> cr3ol, you could initiate a download to your mythvideo directory via wget then watch it with mythvideo
[04:53] <tgm4883_laptop> or you could possibly write a parser for mythstream
[04:54] <tgm4883_laptop> thats how i watched the nba vegas summer league games, by wgetting the stream
[04:55] <cr3ol> sounds like I need to get a little dirty. I am fairly noob to this. could you provide an example... I can probably go from there.
[04:56] <tgm4883_laptop> well the way i did it was I used firefox and looked at the page info which showed me the media stream (in this case, it was the one ending in .asx)
[04:56] <tgm4883_laptop> then I just used wget to start grabbing that stream and downloaded it to my mythvideo directory
[04:57] <tgm4883_laptop> then used mythvideo start it and as long as I didn't get ahead of the download I was fine
[04:57] <tgm4883_laptop> A better solution would be to write a parser and not bother with the wget part, but you have to write the code for that ;)
[04:58] <tgm4883_laptop> actually i take that back
[04:58] <tgm4883_laptop> i used mimms
[04:58] <tgm4883_laptop> which is a stream downloader
[04:58] <tgm4883_laptop> not wget
[04:58] <tgm4883_laptop> sorry about that
[04:58] <tgm4883_laptop> this is the command I used from my mythvideo directory
[04:58] <tgm4883_laptop> mimms http://boss.streamos.com/wmedia-live/nba/9929/500_nba-league_pass_phoenix_051201.asx BasketballSat.asx
[04:58] <cr3ol> im looking all this up while you are typing
[04:58] <cr3ol> cool
[04:59] <cr3ol> I try that
[04:59] <tgm4883_laptop> that downloaded to a file called BasketballSat.asx
[04:59] <tgm4883_laptop> then just use mythvideo
[05:00] <zabbadapp> doje_: what does you /etc/lirc/hardware.conf say then? does it have reasonable info?
[05:01] <cr3ol> thanks tgm Im trying it now
[05:01] <doje_> zabbadapp: mods: lirc_dev lirc_atiusb (both are loaded), dev=/dev/lirc0 (exists)
[05:02] <doje_> zabbadapp: START_LIRCMD is commented - not sure what is
[05:03] <zabbadapp> like that for me too
[05:04] <zabbadapp> is REMOTE_LIRCD_CONF="/etc/lirc/lircd.conf" correct? was wrong for me anyway before I edited it
[05:05] <zabbadapp> it used to point to a relative path that would be wrong from lircs point of view upon start (LIRCD_CONF="hauppauge/lircd.conf.hauppauge_novat500" ... nothing there)
[05:06] <doje_> zabbadapp: I was just noticing that - it's a relative path atiusb/lircd.conf.atiusb - should be /usr/share/lirc... ?
[05:07] <zabbadapp> i pointed it to the only file i had, which was /etc/lirc/lircd.conf ... it has the key sequences mapped to button name for the remote
[05:10] <doje_> zabbadapp: i have that file as well - points to the other - i'll try that
[05:15] <doje_> zabbadapp: I pulled a lircd.conf from my old setup and that's working - at least with irw
[05:16] <zabbadapp> then you're ok
[05:18] <doje_> zabbadapp: it's not controlling myth yet, but I should be able to fix that.
[05:18] <doje_> zabbadapp: Thanks for your help :-)
[05:21] <zabbadapp> that's the lircrc for myth that's wrong i guess .. bring it out from your old sys also :)
[05:21] <doje_> zabbadapp: actually, I think my button names were different so they aren't binding
[05:27] <mnishizawa> anyone else have a problem playing dvds on a clean install of mythbuntu?
[05:27] <mnishizawa> is there something extra that needs to be done?
[05:27] <DurtDiggler> for some reason my recordings have just a buzzing noise for their audio
[05:28] <DurtDiggler> why would that be happening
[05:29] <DurtDiggler> picture looks good, but the sound is like a pizo buzzer going non stop
[05:30] <tgm4883_laptop> mnishizawa, you need to install the extra codecs in mythbuntu-control-centre
[05:30] <tgm4883_laptop> libdvdcss2 to be exact
[05:30] <DurtDiggler> oh it only happened on my first recording
[05:31] <DurtDiggler> I wonder if it's the channel
[05:31] <mnishizawa> I think I've done that, but I'll check
[05:33] <mnishizawa> tgm4883_laptop, good call
[05:33] <mnishizawa> any reason I wouldn't be able to download them?
[05:34] <mnishizawa> I get 404 errors... so whatever repo it's using, they are missing
[05:34] <mnishizawa> I assume I should be able to get them with synaptic
[05:34] <tgm4883_laptop> what repo is it trying to use?
[05:35] <mnishizawa> packages.medibuntu.org
[05:38] <mnishizawa> heh... someone must have restarted the server :)
[05:39] <tgm4883_laptop> mnishizawa, working now?
[05:40] <DurtDiggler> why would the sound just cut out in the middle of a recording
[05:41] <mnishizawa> libdvdcss2 successfully installed... going to try to do the w32codecs
[05:41] <mnishizawa> that one still fails
[05:42] <DurtDiggler> this sucks
[05:42] <hads> Shame
[05:43] <DurtDiggler> this thing has audio problems
[05:43] <mnishizawa> DurtDiggler, I have noticed similar issues with other videos... non-myth related
[05:43] <DurtDiggler> what videos
[05:44] <mnishizawa> stuff I shot on a camera phone
[05:44] <mnishizawa> buzzing and sparse audio
[05:44] <DurtDiggler> I've only recorded 2 so far and the fist one only has a noise through the entire thing and the second has audio for half of it and nothing for the rest
[05:44] <mnishizawa> so you get audio sometimes?
[05:44] <DurtDiggler> so far
[05:45] <DurtDiggler> pretty much get exactly what I said
[05:45] <mnishizawa> tgm4883_laptop, dude, do you run that repo... because all of the sudden I could download the required codecs
[05:45] <tgm4883_laptop> mnishizawa, yea it seems to be having some intermintent problems
[05:46] <DurtDiggler> tgm4883_laptop: do you know why my audio is not working right
[05:46] <mnishizawa> DurtDiggler, it's possible your audio issues are more to do with the sound system itself rather than myth
[05:46] <cr3ol> @tgm well it does not like it. I was reading that because it is embeded in flash that it cannot be downloaded. If anyone else knows how to do this let me know! thanks  I want to be able to play flash from watchtvsitcoms.com via mythtv. I can watch them via firefox. any ideas?
[05:46] <DurtDiggler> mnishizawa: no it's the recording
[05:46] <DurtDiggler> not the computer
[05:46] <hads> !logs
[05:46] <Zinn> MythTV logs are stored in /var/log/mythtv/
[05:50] <tgm4883_laptop> DurtDiggler, no, although it could be a certain audio issue
[05:50] <tgm4883_laptop> try starting up live tv, let me know if you have the buzzing sound
[05:50] <tgm4883_laptop> you need the buzzing sound to test this
[05:51] <DurtDiggler> well I don't have a front end yet
[05:51] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[05:51] <DurtDiggler> I can't watch live tv
[05:51] <tgm4883_laptop> well you will need one ;)
[05:51] <DurtDiggler> Ill get one once the backend starts working
[05:51] <DurtDiggler> so far these recordings arent cutting it for me
[05:52] <tgm4883_laptop> basically switch the audio input off and back on again
[05:52] <tgm4883_laptop> using
[05:52] <tgm4883_laptop> v4l2-ctl -d 0 --set-audio-input=0
[05:52] <tgm4883_laptop> while you have the buzzing sound on live tv
[05:52] <DurtDiggler> hm
[05:52] <DurtDiggler> well one of them had the buzzing sound
[05:53] <hads> You need a frontend.
[05:53] <DurtDiggler> the other sounded fine for the first half then the sound just shut off for the rest
[05:53] <DurtDiggler> why would I need a front end to get my recordings to have decent audio
[05:54] <hads> To help you get recordings with decent audio.
[05:54] <DurtDiggler> oh well yeah
[05:54] <DurtDiggler> I'll have to go throw together another computer
[05:54] <DurtDiggler> just for testing
[05:55] <hads> For starters that's how myth is designed to work so if you've got a problem then you'll want to be using it as designed so people can help you.
[05:55] <DurtDiggler> it should still record the same
[05:56] <DurtDiggler> I'll get the front end so I can troubleshoot it
[05:56] <hads> Otherwise you may be stuck on your own sorting it out.
[06:02] <mnishizawa> tgm4883_laptop, do I need to restart my session after installing those codecs?
[06:02] <mnishizawa> still can't play dvds
[06:03] <mnishizawa> I got the dvd to play in mplayer though
[06:04] <DurtDiggler> would you have a need for a capture card on a front end
[06:06] <mnishizawa> I think the capture card is only required on the back end
[06:16] <DurtDiggler> yeah my third recording sounds like crap too
[06:16] <DurtDiggler> more of a chirping sound
[06:16] <DurtDiggler> well the same buz just not solid
[06:17] <mnishizawa> anyone know if installing the suggested updates will break myth?
[06:20] <DurtDiggler> would I be ok running a mythbuntu front end and a mythdora backend
[06:21] <tgm4883_laptop> DurtDiggler, in theory, yea
[06:22] <DurtDiggler> ok cause I only have a CD player for this thing
[06:22] <DurtDiggler> used up all my DVD drives
[06:22] <mnishizawa> in theory, you could use the live cd as a front-end temporarily, right?
[06:23] <mnishizawa> I have to say, even with these troubles, mythbuntu is a lot easier to install than LMCE
[06:24] <tgm4883_laptop> don't get me started on LMCE ;)
[06:27] <mnishizawa> restart worked... dvds now playing :D
[06:28] <mnishizawa> import failed though... "Cannot connect to your Myth Transcoding daemon..."
[06:33] <tgm4883_laptop> mnishizawa, try starting mtd from a command line
[06:35] <mnishizawa> ok... to get the entire dvd(menus, special features, etc) do you just select everything?
[06:35] <tgm4883_laptop> that seems logical, haven't tried that though
[06:36] <tgm4883_laptop> i usually just do the movie
[06:36] <mnishizawa> k... I'll keep it simple for now :)
[06:36] <mnishizawa> I says no jobs
[06:36] <mnishizawa> it*
[06:37] <tgm4883_laptop> errors?
[06:37] <mnishizawa> I think it's a permission issue tho
[06:37] <mnishizawa> I started mtd as me, instead of mythtv, I made the output directory owned by mythtv
[06:55] <mnishizawa> cool, that was the problem... thanks for the help tgm4883_laptop
[06:56] <tgm4883_laptop> np
[09:09] <sebrock> sigh... anyone else experiencing sound issues on latest kernel?
[09:11] <hads> PVR150?
[09:24] <sebrock> yup PVR-500
[09:24] <sebrock> but its the same as two 150...
[09:24] <sebrock> hads^^
[09:24] <hads> 2.6.24 has the tinny audio problem back agian.
[09:24] <hads> Occasionally
[09:25] <sebrock> Strange is that one of the tuners works fine
[09:25] <sebrock> *sort of*
[09:25] <sebrock> a few channles have crap sound
[09:25] <sebrock> and then the other tuner no sound at all
[09:25] <DapOrp> anyone here use a twinhan 102g card?
[09:25] <sebrock> what is the "tinny" problem hads?
[09:26] <DapOrp> i had this working about a year ago, but now I cannot for the life of me remember how I got it working.
[09:26] <hads> http://www.google.co.nz/search?q=ivtv+tinny+audio
[09:26] <DapOrp> dvb_bt8xx: unable to determine DMA core of card 0, dvb_bt8xx: if you have the ALSA bt87x audio driver installed, try removing it. dvb-bt8xx: probe of dvb0 failed with error -14 <- don't know if this is what's fouling it up but i have no /dev/dvb :(
[09:33] <sebrock> lol, as soon as I fix something, something else gets broken...
[09:34] <sebrock> Hardy has sucked so far...
[09:34] <hads> Works well for me.
[09:50] <sebrock> you have pvr-500/1500?
[09:50] <sebrock> you have pvr-500/150?
[10:49] <sebrock> why is the vnc so extremely slow in 8.04.1? Was way faster in 7.10. And this is on the desktop. Not inside mythfrontend with any OpenGL stuff
[11:19] <spanther> hello there :) i've installed mythbuntu theme from the repositorys and i saw that it looks really good :) similiar with XP Zune theme hehe. is there a way to download the complete theme to save it for later use ?
[11:40] <dschan> Hi everybody
[13:49] <jphillip> spanther not sure what you are getting at, but if you installed the theme, its on your box
[13:51] <spanther> jphillip, well i can give you a screenshot if you like :)
[13:52] <dschan> hi everybody
[13:53] <dschan> anybody here who can give me advice on firmware update?
[13:55] <spanther> jphillip, its the mythbuntu theme http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/6363/bildschirmfotobx2.png
[13:58] <jphillip> dschan firmware update of what?
[13:59] <dschan> hey jphii! thak you
[13:59] <dschan> for novt-t pci card
[14:00] <gndprx> Good morning.  Did an install of 8.04.1 and after troubles last night am finally able to boot to the xfce desktop but myth does not seem to be configured.  How can I kick off the back end setup?
[14:00] <dschan> but ... jack@mediencenter:/lib/firmware$ dmesg | grep dvb
[14:00] <dschan> [   42.386490] saa7146: register extension 'budget_ci dvb'.
[14:00] <dschan> [   42.421756] input: Budget-CI dvb ir receiver saa7146 (0) as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.4/0000:03:06.0/input/input5
[14:00] <dschan> [  112.085742] tda1004x: waiting for firmware upload (dvb-fe-tda10045.fw)...
[14:00] <gndprx> when I try, it just complains about database connection problems
[14:01] <dschan> gndprx ... had that too. have a crappy workaround and would be glad about help, too
[14:01] <gndprx> That would be wonderful.  It's not been going well so far
[14:01] <jphillip> are you entering the correct password when it asks you for it?
[14:02] <gndprx> I'm entering the random generated password that it provided me during the install
[14:02] <dschan> yes, i found out that mysql does not even have a mythtv-user... using as root at th mom
[14:03] <gndprx> I've tried to run some of the mysql commands but get access denied even as root
[14:03] <jphillip> its been a while since I did a fresh install but I recall that mysql will ask you if you want to set a root password, then mythtv-database will ask you for that root password and generat you a mythtv mysql user which is the random password
[14:03] <dschan> ...did all that but somehow the mythtv-user dies not exist
[14:03] <gndprx> let me try with root in the setup and see what happens
[14:04] <jphillip> try to `mysql -uroot -p mythconverg`
[14:04] <jphillip> or leave out the p if you didn't set a root password
[14:05] <gndprx> unknown database mythconverg
[14:05] <dschan> sudo dpkg-reconfigure mysql-common    helps me, too
[14:06] <gndprx> hrmm, how can I get a list of mysql databases configured?  It looks like it may not have installed the myth database
[14:06] <gndprx> I'm used to having the mysql admin tools rather than command line
[14:07] <dschan> sorry, dunno. jphillip?
[14:08] <gndprx> nm, google is good
[14:08] <jphillip> looks like your mythtv db isn't there
[14:08] <gndprx> the only db installed is the information_schema
[14:08] <gndprx> no myth database listed
[14:08] <jphillip> sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database
[14:08] <gndprx> for some reason it didn't install with the mythbuntu installation
[14:08] <gndprx> trying that now
[14:08] <jphillip> gndprx it prob asked you for the root password and you gave it the wrong one
[14:08] <dschan> me, too
[14:09] <jphillip> also if you want a mysql tool sudo apt-get install phpmyadmin
[14:10] <gndprx> hrmm, might have to reset the root password.  Doesn't like anything I give it at the moment
[14:10] <dschan> how do i access it? only knwo the tool from ancient windows-xampp times
[14:12] <gndprx> ahh, got it.  Now mythconverg is there
[14:13] <dschan> how do you log into phpmyadmin?
[14:13] <dschan> address?
[14:14] <jphillip> http://IP_of_your_box/phpmyadmin
[14:15] <dschan> thx
[14:15] <gndprx> ahh, now this looks more familiar when running the backend setup
[14:16] <gndprx> thanks!
[14:16] <gndprx> not happy about it running as root, but it will work for now
[14:16] <dschan> same for me. I'll try to create a mythtv-user.
[14:17] <jphillip> gndprx you don't run as root, it just needs the mysql root to make the db/user
[14:17] <jphillip> in mythtv-setup you should be using the mythtv user with the generated password
[14:17] <gndprx> ahh, ok
[14:19] <dschan> jphillip ... it does not for me, though. where can i find the mysql users?
[14:22] <jphillip> dschan did you give mythtv-database the root password so it could create it?
[14:22] <jphillip> also do you have a mythconverg database now?
[14:26] <dschan> jack@mediencenter:/$ sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database
[14:26] <dschan> Failed to execute SQL: GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES ON mythconverg.* TO root@localhost IDENTIFIED BY '***SECRET***'\nAccess denied for user 'root'@'%' to database 'mythconverg' at -e line 8, <> line 1.
[14:27] <dschan> yes, have a mythconverg database, yes, typed in correct root-passwd
[14:27] <jphillip> you didn't give it the right root password then
[14:27] <jphillip> this is your mysql root password
[14:27] <dschan> ok, i'll try again
[14:27] <jphillip> not your sudo or root user password
[14:27] <jphillip> its empty by default unless you chose one while setting up mysql
[14:28] <dschan> !! I have another clue...
[14:28] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about ! I have another clue...
[14:28] <jphillip> heh
[14:29] <dschan> password semmed to be ok, but i told it thet the server runs at <IP_ADDRESS> (which should be correct), THEN it shows error, otherwise, with localhost, it seems to work...
[14:29] <gndprx> One other quick question.  I have an external 500Gb that it saw during the initial setup, but now that I'm in Xfce it's nowhere to be found
[14:30] <jphillip> ya, the root user is @loclhost
[14:30] <gndprx> do I have to do something different to mount it on startup?
[14:30] <jphillip> gndprx I'd mount it in fstab
[14:30] <gndprx> the only trick is that it's an ntfs drive that I can't format until I get all of the data off of it
[14:30] <gndprx> it has all of my old recordings from sagetv
[14:31] <jphillip> go search the forums for how to mount an ntfs usb drive, or google
[14:31] <gndprx> ok, just didn't know if there was a quick answer
[14:31] <gndprx> I'll do and thanks
[14:31] <dschan> or  try sudo thunar  and click on the drive if shown there
[14:31] <jphillip> I Could tell you how to do something not ntfs :)
[14:31] <gndprx> :P
[14:31] <jphillip> !support | gndprx
[14:31] <Zinn> gndprx: http://www.mythbuntu.com/support
[14:31] <jphillip> link to the forums in there
[15:52] <dschan> Hi! Can anyone help me with acpi? I found a vdr-thread that states that my mboard supports that; now i am trying to follow this: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/ACPI_Wakeup#Introduction --- however, i have probs there (FATAL: Module rtc_cmos not found. )
[17:11] <buntumyth> hi guys , I had sound and all working, but audio was scratchy so I started looking into that, after some checking I lost audio. I can hear it in other apps (tvtime. kdetv... they both have delay of course) but nothing in mythtv (neither LiveTV or Videos that were recorded with sound). I have all the mixer settings set correctly, according to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Dapper_Backend_
[17:57] <buntumyth> any no-audio tips
[19:11] <gndprx> afternoon all.  Does mythfilldatabase have to run after every configuration change and if so is there a way to stop the lengthy schedules direct download every time?
[19:19] <sebrock> isnt video supposed to be shown in upper right corner on EPG? It simply says "Not Recording" here, and audio stutters?
[19:23] <zabbadapp> gndprx: no, you can skip mythfill ... it's just needed if you added new program sources and things like that ... i never run it after myth-setup except for the very first time after a complete install
[19:23] <gndprx> good deal.  Thank you.
[19:37] <CRXLPY> ok progress (of sorts)  I started with scratchy audio, I worked on that and then had no audio. I got audio back but it was very scratchy in only the left or right channel but fine in the other. Now I have clear audio in the left channel and no audio in the right. I have searched and searched, but most of the solutions are for the intel HDA soundchip. I am using a AGOGO (Maestro 1) with the snd_es1968 driver. I have blacklisted snd_
[19:41] <CRXLPY> ok I just rebooted, I have sound in both sides, but it is scratchy again....grrrrrr
[20:22] <sebrock> isnt video supposed to be shown in upper right corner on EPG? It simply says "Not Recording" here, and audio stutters? (bump)
[20:54] <zippytech> how can i increase the audio output on my sb live card
[20:59] <jphillip> zippytech alsamgr
[21:00] <jphillip> there is also an option under setup>general where you can bump it
[21:00] <sebrock> sigh
[21:00] <jphillip> I'm not in front of mythy now though so I can't tell you exactly where, 3rd page comes to mind
[21:00] <zippytech> full blast
[21:00] <sebrock> zippytech, you have video in your EPG?
[21:00] <sebrock> a scaled version in the upper right corner?
[21:02] <zippytech> ?
[21:47] <CRXLPY> ok w00t!!! just got my pvr-150 delivered and stuck it in the box. now I have a wintv tuner card and a pvr-150. but.....  now I am back to one channel audio. only the right spkr works. I have rebooted and no change
[21:49] <sebrock> CRXLPY, which kernel_
[21:50] <CRXLPY> I have it updated, lemme look
[21:50] <CRXLPY> 2.6.24-19 generic
[21:51] <sebrock> yup, broken IVTV driver
[21:51] <CRXLPY> ok is there a fix?
[21:51] <sebrock> welcome to the long line of pvr150 users with no/bad audio
[21:52] <sebrock> revert your kernel
[21:53] <CRXLPY> I had the same issue b4 I installed the pvr-150, only the hauppage tuner card. I got things happy by blacklisting the ac97 codec and rebooting a couple times. but that dont werk now. what ver kernel should I go back to?
[21:56] <jphillip> I'm not sure thats right
[21:56] <jphillip> I have 2.6.24-19-generic here, and my pvr-150 audio is fine
[21:57] <CRXLPY> ok glad you said that, I was just about to mess up
[21:58] <sebrock> jphillip, some have it some dont
[21:58] <jphillip> have you verified outside of myth that the sytems audio works fine?
[21:58] <CRXLPY> the audio in the spkr that has sound often sounds like a movie projector that has had the film jump the teeth (like every thing is gargling) it is echoing too
[21:58] <sebrock> I got it when upgrading my kernel
[21:59] <sebrock> but your problem might be alsa then
[21:59] <CRXLPY>  jphillip yes it sounds fine in tvtime and kdetv (with the delay cuz they use the line in)
[22:00] <sebrock> well then you are not one of us
[22:01] <jphillip> CRXLPY 2 things I'd try, 1. mess with the audio settings in myth, setup>general> 3rd page I think
[22:01] <jphillip> 2. record something, and then open it in mplayer or vlc, see if the audio is ok
[22:02] <jphillip> will at least point you at whats wrong
[22:03] <CRXLPY> so how do I load a nuv file in those players?
[22:06] <jphillip> pvr-150 should give you mpeg files
[22:11] <CRXLPY> ok I cant find this, how do I tell mythtv to record a file while I am watching live tv?  or do I need to set a scheduled record :(
[22:12] <CRXLPY> I have tried "r" but that just starts recording, then cancels the recording when I hit is again
[22:16] <CRXLPY> right channel only in mplayer too jphillip
[22:20] <CRXLPY> I am installing the ivtv-utils pkg, some of the things I have seen use v4l2-ctl which I think is in that
[22:23] <CRXLPY> before I try that tho   I am gonna un-blacklist the ac97-codec
[22:26] <CRXLPY> tgm4883_laptop any input on why one channel of audio would go away after adding a pvr-150 to a system that already had a tuner card?
[22:26] <tgm4883_laptop> wheres the channel from?
[22:27] <CRXLPY> livetv
[22:27] <CRXLPY> is that what you meant?  recordings miss it too
[22:27] <tgm4883_laptop> no, is it analog cable?
[22:27] <tgm4883_laptop> whats the other tuner?
[22:29] <CRXLPY> yes it ia a wintv 44327  analong tuner
[22:29] <tgm4883_laptop> does that channel have audio on either tuner or on neither tuner?
[22:29] <rhpot1991> I thought you said pvr150
[22:29] <CRXLPY> I just rebooted and now the dead chennel has swapped sides
[22:29] <CRXLPY> rhpot1991 I did
[22:30] <CRXLPY> that is the 2nd card
[22:30] <rhpot1991> ah other tuner
[22:30]  * rhpot1991 needs to learn to read
[22:30] <CRXLPY> I just loaded tvtime and both sides are fine through it
[22:31] <tgm4883_laptop> CRXLPY, what do the logs say?
[22:35] <buntumyth> http://pastebin.com/d699d2693
[22:36] <buntumyth> there is the last chunk of mythbackend.log tgm4883_laptop
[22:38] <tgm4883_laptop> buntumyth, hmm, doesn't say anything about the audio, but I do notice two things
[22:38] <tgm4883_laptop> the -ps -ts thing
[22:38] <tgm4883_laptop> and setting your video bitrate to 5900000
[22:38] <CRXLPY> hmmm frontend log says unable to open mixer: ALSA:default
[22:38] <tgm4883_laptop> strange
[22:38] <tgm4883_laptop> it plays audio though?
[22:39] <CRXLPY> through on spkr
[22:39] <CRXLPY> one spkr
[22:40] <tgm4883_laptop> so it's mono
[22:40] <tgm4883_laptop> and thats a mythtv thing?  as other players are stereo?
[22:40] <CRXLPY> yes other players use bothe spkrs
[22:40] <tgm4883_laptop> just out of curiousity, what happens if you try and play the recording from that channel that doesn't have audio in mythtv, what happens if you play it outside of mythtv?
[22:41] <CRXLPY> recordings from mythtv played in mplayer are one spkr only
[22:43] <tgm4883_laptop> CRXLPY, is there a setting for that either in recording profiles or mythtv setup for setting the tuner to stereo?
[22:43] <tgm4883_laptop> i'm not at home, or i'd check
[22:43] <CRXLPY> yes and it is set to stereo
[22:44] <vbman11_> Hi I'm having trouble setting up sound on my saa7134 card with mythtv, it works perfectly with tvtime
[22:44] <CRXLPY> interesting thing. I changed mixer from ALSA:default to /dev/mixer  and the audio in the spkr that works has less scratch in it
[22:46] <CRXLPY> but I still have the error about it not opening, let me pastebin that
[22:46] <rhpot1991> tuner drivers it sounds like
[22:47] <buntumyth> http://pastebin.com/d4773dedf
[22:47] <CRXLPY> tgm4883_laptop^^
[22:48] <CRXLPY> who made your saa7134 card vbman11_?
[22:48] <tgm4883_laptop> CRXLPY, looks like it doesn't like /dev/mixer
[22:49] <CRXLPY> tgm4883_laptop at the top of that you can see what it said when I had it set to ALSA:default tgm4883_laptop
[22:50] <CRXLPY> I also was trying /dev/dsp as the output instead of ALSA:default at that point but got the same results
[22:50] <tgm4883_laptop> I think trying to fix that is putting the horse before the cart.  The recordings themselves are only mono right?
[22:51] <tgm4883_laptop> and
 just out of curiousity, what happens if you try and play the recording from that channel that doesn't have audio in mythtv, what happens if you play it outside of mythtv?
 recordings from mythtv played in mplayer are one spkr only
[22:51] <CRXLPY> yes
[22:51] <tgm4883_laptop> ^^ is that true even for the channel that have no audio at all in mythtv?
[22:54] <vbman11_> CRXLPY: just a sec
[22:54] <CRXLPY> umm not sure what you mean...   I record livetv (only left spkr) I exit myth and play recording in mplayer and only left spkr has sound
[22:54] <vbman11_> CRXLPY: Sabrent
[22:55] <vbman11_> CRXLPY: it was like $16 off newegg
[22:56] <vbman11_> CRXLPY: mythtv just isn't reading the sound, I've also read that I need to patch mythtv to unmute my card?
[22:56] <CRXLPY> what cpu are you gonna use that on vbman11_
[22:57] <vbman11_> CRXLPY: processor? 32bit
[22:57] <tgm4883_laptop> CRXLPY, you said that you have 1 channel with no audio right?
[22:58] <CRXLPY> tgm4883_laptop yes only left spkr  (if I reboot it may swap sides, but still only one spkr)
[22:58] <CRXLPY> vbman11_ what speed?
[22:58] <tgm4883_laptop> ok, so all channels have audio in at least one speaker?
[22:59] <vbman11_> 500 megahertz x2
[22:59] <CRXLPY> by channel do you mean tv channels? or input channels?
[22:59] <vbman11_> really old server
[23:00] <tgm4883_laptop> CRXLPY, tv channels
[23:00] <CRXLPY> ewwww vbman11_ I hope you dont plan to record
[23:00] <vbman11_> CRXLPY: just messing arround with it
[23:00] <tgm4883_laptop> vbman11_, AFAIK, there is no 500 megahertz X2
[23:01] <tgm4883_laptop> link?
[23:01] <rhpot1991_phone> !status
[23:01] <Zinn> I am alive.
[23:01] <vbman11_> two intel pentium 3's
[23:01] <CRXLPY> tgm4883_laptop same on all channels I just when too
[23:01] <tgm4883_laptop> vbman11_, oh, see when you say x2, people tend to think of an AMD processor
[23:02] <vbman11_> ohh
[23:02] <CRXLPY> thats what I thought
[23:02] <CRXLPY> since I am working on my system I had not gotten to noting a 500x2 did not exist
[23:03] <tgm4883_laptop> CRXLPY, fix the other 2 issues on your backend, see if it's somehow related to your current issue
[23:04] <CRXLPY> yeah I was thinking that, I hope it is a simple perm issue, although it saying /dev/mixer does not exist is troubling
[23:05] <CRXLPY> hmm /dev/mixer is there and perms are good
[23:06] <vbman11_> tgm4883_laptop: any idea on how to get my sound to work, btw I can hear the sound through the speakers on my server
[23:07] <CRXLPY> I am fighting the same demon now vbman11_
[23:07] <vbman11_> CRXLPY: ahh, I see
[23:08] <vbman11_> CRXLPY: what card
[23:08] <tgm4883_laptop> CRXLNAWAY, actually I was talking about this error
[23:08] <tgm4883_laptop> #
[23:08] <tgm4883_laptop> MPEGRec(/dev/video1) Warning: Stream type 'MPEG-2 TS'
[23:08] <tgm4883_laptop> #
[23:08] <tgm4883_laptop>                         is not supported by ivtv driver, using 'MPEG-2 PS' instead.
[23:08] <CRXLPY> ok
[23:08] <tgm4883_laptop> and
[23:08] <tgm4883_laptop> MPEGRec(/dev/video1) Error: Could not set Video Peak Bitrate to 5900000
[23:09] <tgm4883_laptop> and NVR(/dev/video0) Error: Can't open vbi device: '/dev/vbi'
[23:11] <CRXLPY> yeah it has never opened /dev/vbi even b4 the 150 was added,  since I dont care about cc I just ignored that. I had sound going while that error was going on
[23:11] <tgm4883_laptop> gotta reboot
[23:13] <vbman11_> guys! I got mine to kinda work!
[23:15] <CRXLPY> u r ahead of me then vbman11_
[23:15] <vbman11_> I just opened up tvtime on the server and I got sound!
[23:16] <vbman11_> It's really quiet though
[23:17] <vbman11_> I have everything turned up too
[23:20] <buntumyth> tgm4883_laptop: this is with bitrate=11000 and max bitrate=22000   I havent found where it is looking for /dev/vbi    /dev/vbi0 is what is in the settings
[23:20] <buntumyth> http://pastebin.com/d12d66b5a
[23:22] <vbman11_> tgm4883_laptop: I kinda got mine to work
[23:24] <buntumyth> tgm4883_laptop: this is my backend log from the same run http://pastebin.com/m4cb8ef
[23:27] <CRXLPY> vbman11_ you arent the only one with this card that has low audio  http://forum.byopvr.com/dvr/index.php/topic,1708.0.html
[23:30] <CRXLPY> I am just going to type none into the vbi blank
[23:31] <tgm4883_laptop> i'll think about it while I drive home
[23:31] <vbman11_> CRXLPY: but the card works perfectly in tvtime
[23:32] <CRXLPY> vbman11_ it has good audio level?
[23:32] <vbman11_> in tvtime yes
[23:33] <vbman11_> well mabey I should explain more
[23:33] <CRXLPY> always
[23:33] <vbman11_> the audio input works
[23:34] <vbman11_> I can't really know if tvtime is actually reading the audio
[23:34] <CRXLPY> you can, is the audio in sync?
[23:35] <vbman11_> on my card I use an external cord to connect the audio to the line in, and yes
[23:36] <CRXLPY> my tuner card connects the same way
[23:36] <CRXLPY> but the newly added pvr-150 does not
[23:37] <CRXLPY> but in mythtv your audio going to the spkrs comes after the capture, not b4(which is where tvtime gets it)
[23:37] <vbman11_> is there a way to list the /dev/* audio files and what they are linked to (master, line-in, etc)
[23:38] <CRXLPY> you would need to google that one, I dont know.   why would you need to?
[23:38] <vbman11_> to give mythtv the correct audio device
[23:38] <vbman11_> to read from
[23:39] <CRXLPY> how many soundcards do you have installed?
[23:39] <CRXLPY> it is alsa that needs to know, not mythtv
[23:40] <vbman11_> one sound card
[23:40] <CRXLPY> enter "asoundconf list"
[23:41] <CRXLPY> you should see a device for your sndcard and one for your tuner
[23:41] <CRXLPY> tic toc
[23:42] <vbman11_> riptide and saa7134\
[23:42] <vbman11_> and sry vnc is slow
[23:42] <CRXLPY> ok "asoundconf set-default-card riptide"
[23:43] <CRXLPY> why are you on vnc? you at werk?
[23:43] <vbman11_> no just don't want to walk over to the tv and try to read the small text
[23:43] <vbman11_> and done
[23:44] <CRXLPY> you should ssh
[23:44] <vbman11_> faster?
[23:44] <vbman11_> and how?
[23:45] <CRXLPY> no reason to have your whole screen going across the lan when you can see the tv, ssh will just open a shell  (are you in linux or windows on the system in front of you?)
[23:46] <vbman11_> linux of course
[23:46] <vbman11_> windows sucks
[23:46] <CRXLPY> I dont assume, I cant see through irc, if I guess wrong I would waste both our time
[23:46] <vbman11_> ohh
[23:47] <vbman11_> sry
[23:47] <CRXLPY> close vnc for now, you can always reopen it
[23:47] <vbman11_> ok
[23:47] <vbman11_> done
[23:48] <CRXLPY> now enter "ssh <ip of mythbox>
[23:48] <CRXLPY> "
[23:48] <vbman11_> cool
[23:49] <CRXLPY> if it fails you may need to include a username local to the mythbox
[23:49] <vbman11_> it worked
[23:49] <CRXLPY> btw ssh (secure shell)  this is ssl encrypted
[23:49] <vbman11_> very nice
[23:50] <vbman11_> is there a way to edit the settings of the myth backend in terminal
[23:50] <CRXLPY> it can be set up to do Xforwarding  which lets you run x on mythbox but it uses the display on the local box
[23:51] <CRXLPY> yes there is
[23:51] <vbman11_> how
[23:51] <CRXLPY> we havent gotten there
[23:51] <vbman11_> ohh
[23:53] <CRXLPY> if you are getting audio out of mythtv from your tuner card AND the audio is in sync then it has the right device
[23:53] <vbman11_> yeah
[23:53] <CRXLPY> so no settings to adjust
[23:53] <vbman11_> so how do I make it louder
[23:54] <vbman11_> do you know?
[23:55] <CRXLPY> that card just has low audio.  did you read the link I posted a while ago?
[23:56] <vbman11_> well then how is it loud when I plug speakers into the audio out of the card
[23:57] <vbman11_> and also I can just barely hear a whisper with alot of noise
[23:57] <CRXLPY> google "mythtv sabient sa1134" ............... that is pre-capture. you are hearing the volume of the soundcard, not the volume of the tuner card
[23:58] <vbman11_> over the network through myth
[23:58] <CRXLPY> that is 3 separate issues
[23:58] <vbman11_> you got a point
[23:59] <CRXLPY> I have a sa1134 card and junked it
[23:59] <vbman11_> well I guess I'm off to google
[23:59] <CRXLPY> google is your friend


[00:14] <xubuntu70w> Is it any difference between the updates in softwareupdater and the updates in the software ?
[00:14] <knome> no
[00:15] <xubuntu70w> Afte i run the softwareupdater and then open the software, it is still show 1 update even after reaload.
[00:15] <knome> which updates?
[00:15] <xubuntu70w> I am not sure. Think it was for stabilyty or something like that. I just installed it.
[00:16] <knome> maybe the updater doesn't do the dist-upgrade updates, eg. kernel updates and such then
[00:16] <xubuntu70w> Sometimes the software shows more updates, i dont know why.
[00:16] <knome> i don't use either myself...
[01:39] <forest> Can anyone explain why several applications (e.g. chromium, firefox, clementine) no longer respect my font settings, both in their main window areas and in menu bars, after upgrading from xubuntu 15.10 to 16.04?  Or better yet, how to fix it?
[01:41] <mrkramps> forest, applications restarted?
[01:42] <forest> mrkramps: Yes, applications restarted. Whole system restarted. Only a few apps are misbehaving, though they looked fine before the upgrade.
[05:14] <xubuntu22w> been checking for a while now -- anybody know of an ETA for the LTS upgrade to 16.04.  That is, I'm running a whole bunch of xubuntu 14.04 machines, and I'd really like to upgrade them to xubuntu 16.04.  I have a ton of other changes I'm holding off that can't wait much longer.
[05:15] <cfhowlett> xubuntu22w, later this month.  21st IIRC
[05:17] <xubuntu22w> also where to find the MD5 sum for the ISOs?
[05:18] <xubuntu22w> Thanks for the reply!
[05:19] <cfhowlett> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/16.04/release/MD5SUMS
[05:21] <xubuntu22w> cfhowlett, Thanks again!
[05:22] <cfhowlett> happy2help!
[08:57] <adielang> hello
[13:42] <webus> hi to all!
[13:43] <webus> after latest upgrades my wifi stop working. after upgrades to this kernel 3.16.0-77-generic
[13:43] <webus> how can i fix it ?
[13:44] <cfhowlett> webus, reboot, at grub go to your advanced options and choose an older kernel
[13:45] <webus> cfhowlett, i'm trying to install broadcom-sta-dkms. but this module builds with errors. some people on linux channel sad  my my kernel is too old.
[13:45] <cfhowlett> webus, broadcom?  bcm 43** edition?
[13:46] <cfhowlett> also  what version of xubuntu
[13:46] <webus> this one
[13:46] <webus>  broadcom-sta-<IP_ADDRESS> for kernel 3.16.0-77-generic (x86_64)
[13:46] <webus> i'm now on xubutu 14.04
[13:46] <cfhowlett> no what wifi chipset do you have
[13:47] <webus> cfhowlett, 08:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM43142 802.11b/g/n (rev 01)
[13:47] <cfhowlett> ah.  do you have an ubuntu USB or DVD install disk around?
[13:48] <webus> cfhowlett, no way. just installed this linux 2 years ago i think. but i can create dvd. and what next ?
[13:49] <cfhowlett> webus, if you have the install dvd, the broadcom packages are present.  sudo dpkg -i a couple of .debs and wifi jumps right up.  I do it often
[13:49] <webus> cfhowlett, wait. which packages should i install ? all from dvd ?
[13:50] <cfhowlett> this is the link.  not all packages will be present as they have been rolled into subsequent kernels.
[13:50] <cfhowlett> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx#STA_-_No_Internet_access
[13:50] <webus> or only packages with broadcom word in name ?
[13:54] <webus> cfhowlett, thanks! i'm trying it right now
[13:54] <cfhowlett> webus standing by
[14:39] <webus> cfhowlett, ok. im created DVD with xubuntu. what next ? i cant find any broadcom debs on this dvd
[14:39] <cfhowlett> what ubuntu version do you have??
[14:39] <cfhowlett> on the .iso
[14:40] <webus> xubuntu 14.04.4 LTS
[14:40] <cfhowlett> look in /cdrom/pool/restricted/b/
[14:41] <cfhowlett> bcmwl-kernel-source* should  be present
[14:56] <cfhowlett> webus, gotta go.  see the previous link.  in 16.40 xubuntu, the /main/d/dkms /main/f/fakeroot and /restricted/b/bcmwl packages are available in pool.  sudo dpkg -i those .debs and you should be good
[14:57] <webus> cfhowlett, thanks. already did it. but it not helped me
[14:57] <cfhowlett> error messages?
[14:57] <webus> no error messsages
[14:57] <webus> just i dont see wlan connections
[14:57] <cfhowlett> bring this question to the main #ubuntu channel.  should be solvable
[14:57] <webus> ok
[14:57] <webus> thanks
[15:38] <webus> cfhowlett, thanks! the main problem is Secure Boot in BIOS. first i disabled proprietary drivers. next disable secure boot. install all packages and all works!!!
[15:38] <webus> thank you again!
[17:55] <xubuntu74w> Hello, a HP keyboard isn't recognised by xubuntu 16.04
[17:55] <xubuntu74w> What should I do?
[22:25] <xubuntu31w> help i have problem with chromium
[22:41] <xubuntu31w> ok thanks
[23:08] <Wayward_Vagabond> Impatient and not giving any specifics about the problem?
[23:10] <knome> but not too thoughtless to judge others


[04:11] <griffin_> exit
[05:04] <Squirm> morning
[05:29] <henkj> morning Squirm
[05:33] <Kilos-> morning superfly and others
[05:40]  * Squirm goes back to sleep
[06:05] <superfly> morning Kilos-, Squirm, henkj
[06:05] <henkj> hey superfly
[06:05] <nuvolari> o/ lo oom Kilos-, superfly, Squirm, henkj
[06:05] <superfly> oh no, it's nuvolari!
[06:06] <Kilos-> hi henkj nuvolari
[06:06] <Kilos-> wake up Squirm its a lovely day
[06:21] <Kilos-> hi Tonberry
[06:26]  * Squirm[Web] looks around
[06:26] <Squirm[Web]> so I somehow broke my lts server. it was all working nicely, now it's booting as a fat client :/
[06:35] <Squirm[Web]> so it was fine, then I dunno what I did
[06:35] <Squirm[Web]> LTSP_FATCLIENT=false
[06:35] <Squirm[Web]> adding that fixed it
[06:52] <Squirm[Web]> lts server is coming along :)
[07:37] <inetpro> good morning Squirm[Web], henkj, superfly, nuvolari and everyone else
[07:37] <inetpro> Maaz: tell Kilos good morning sir
[07:37] <Maaz> inetpro: Okay, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[07:38] <henkj> morning inetpro
[07:58] <superfly> hi inetpro
[08:15] <Squirm> hi inetpro
[08:19] <magespawn> good day
[08:20] <inetpro> good morning and wb magespawn
[08:21] <magespawn> hey inetpro
[08:21] <magespawn> you doing Kilos duty?
[08:22] <nuvolari> o/ howdy magespawn
[08:22] <nuvolari> hi inetpro
[08:22] <magespawn> hey nuvolari
[08:24] <inetpro> :-)
[08:25] <inetpro> I guess somebody has to do it
[08:25]  * inetpro wonders where he is today
[08:30] <magespawn> he was here this morning
[08:31] <magespawn> probable reinstalling again
[08:31] <magespawn> something did not work or stopped working
[08:31] <tonberry352_> what is it with the constant reinstalling?
[08:32] <magespawn> he likes it when things work
[08:33] <magespawn> his logic is it used to work so something in an upgrade killed
[08:33] <magespawn> it
[08:33] <tonberry352_> i see
[08:34] <magespawn> and he does some fairly insane things with his hardware
[08:36] <magespawn> we think he should  be a tester for ubuntu
[08:37] <tonberry352_> define insane
[08:38] <magespawn> unplugging a  internal hard drive in between finish of install and reboot
[08:38] <tonberry352_> should be fine if its sata
[08:38] <tonberry352_> sortof
[08:39] <tonberry352_> but why?
[08:42] <magespawn> he said that was the only way it would workd
[08:43] <magespawn> s/workd/work
[08:43] <magespawn> i never found ou if the power was still on that drive
[08:43] <magespawn> s/ou/out
[08:43] <magespawn> typing gremlins
[09:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning all
[09:29] <superfly> morning ThatGraemeGuy, magespawn
[10:12] <magespawn> hey supefly ThatGraemeGuy
[10:12] <magespawn> superfly:
[10:12] <magespawn> better
[10:12] <superfly> :-)
[10:34] <theblazehen> hi guys
[10:35] <theblazehen> seems webchat.freenode.com is blocked but not irc.freneode.com lol
[10:52] <superfly> heh
[11:35] <Kilos-> many hours no power today
[11:35] <Kilos-> sigh
[11:36]  * Kilos- greets you all
[11:44] <Kilos-> w00t inetpro konversation bloep
[11:49] <Vince-0> G'day Kilos- nie genoeg kraag nie?
[11:49] <Kilos-> nee pts krag speel weer
[11:49] <Kilos-> pta
[11:50] <Vince-0> my Telkom line is completely out as of yesterday. Second time in a month
[11:52] <Kilos-> soon they will stop replacing it like they didi here and ofter peeps their broadband phones
[11:53] <Kilos-> oh you not onna a
[11:53] <Kilos-> plot or farm hey
[12:06] <Kilos-> ty for the follow up tumbleweed
[12:06] <Kilos-> will point neil to it
[12:09] <inetpro> Kilos-: bloep?
[12:09] <Kilos-> bell.ogg
[12:10] <Kilos-> how come you acting doff? we spent hours trying to make xchat bloep on kde then quassel
[12:11] <Kilos-> now i know how here but will still try with quassel
[12:12] <Kilos-> i just put bell.ogg in /usr/share/sounds
[12:13] <Kilos-> then configured konversation to use it not the feeble plllling
[12:16] <tumbleweed> Kilos-: np. maiatoday says she may turn that into a blog post, too
[12:16] <Kilos-> great
[12:17] <Kilos-> hiya maiatoday
[12:38] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[12:38] <magespawn> some more info on the Free State Website http://www.itweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=62225:Backlash-over-Free-State-Web-site&catid=118
[12:44] <Kilos-> hi magespawn
[12:44] <magespawn> we were wondering if you did more installs?
[12:44] <magespawn> Education:
[12:44] <magespawn> whoops wrong program
[13:00] <Kilos-> lol
[13:00] <Kilos-> will try get unity working some time again
[13:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> hi Kilos- :)
[13:06] <Kilos-> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[13:18] <Squirm> Is there a way, with something like diff, to only display the modified lines?
[13:18] <Squirm> or at least split the modified lines from the new lines, so I can see which are new and which have changed
[13:18] <Squirm> diff or grep will tell me what all the differences are. but I want to know what's new and what has just been modified
[13:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> maybe diff's output to diffstat?
[13:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> s/maybe/maybe pipe/
[13:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> i don't think diff understands "modified", it just knows about "removed" and "added" as far as lines go
[13:52] <Squirm> it knows what's been modified
[13:52] <Squirm> but it ouputs it exactly the same as added lines
[14:08] <inetpro> Kilos-: you look funny with your tail
[14:08] <inetpro> and even sound funny
[14:08] <inetpro> ai!
[14:09] <inetpro> Squirm: diff -u oldFile newFile
[14:10] <inetpro> Squirm: if you use kde you can also use kompare
[14:11] <inetpro> a very nice gui to show you the differences
[14:11] <maiatoday> hi Kilos
[14:14] <Kilos-> aw
[14:15] <Kilos> haha i just got the morning message from maaz
[14:15] <Kilos> he is also getting old
[14:16] <Kilos> or was it a skelm trick ??
[14:17] <magespawn> might be going for a job interview soon
[14:18] <Kilos> doing what magespawn?
[14:18] <Kilos> ian is at one now
[14:18] <Kilos> hope he gets it, 4 times his current salary
[14:19] <magespawn> Safari Manager at a local hotel
[14:19] <Kilos> ah that sounds nice
[14:19] <Kilos> you sure they dont want a free IT guy
[14:19] <magespawn> Safari's Manager
[14:20] <magespawn> maybe, funny thing is I do it work for them now anyway
[14:20] <Kilos> same hotel where you fix pc's hey?
[14:20] <magespawn> yup
[14:20] <Kilos> hehe
[14:20] <Kilos> just tell them IT work is over and above
[14:20] <Kilos> and get it in writing
[14:21] <Kilos> the message was from the ai! guy
[14:21] <Kilos> guess who
[14:22] <magespawn> lol no need
[14:22] <Kilos> learned a new apt-get command today
[14:23] <Kilos> apt-get --purge remove package
[14:23] <Kilos> always tried it as apt-get purge package
[14:24] <Kilos> hi Trixar_za
[14:24] <Trixar_za> Hey Kilos
[14:26] <Kilos> what is happening with the sakis3g site Trixar_za?
[14:26] <Kilos> they been down forever
[14:26] <Trixar_za> No clue, but I'm pretty sure it's disappeared into the ether like it's forums
[14:26] <Trixar_za> Like it's author too
[14:26] <Trixar_za> lol
[14:27] <Trixar_za> He disappeared 3 years ago too
[14:27] <Kilos> so open your own site
[14:28] <Kilos> lotsa sites refer to sakis3g when nm dont see modem
[14:28] <Kilos> oh my . i wonder if he is still alive
[14:29] <Kilos> and make your site the same so its installable from there
[14:29] <Kilos> the wget way
[14:29] <Squirm> inetpro: diff -u is close
[14:29] <Squirm> and it has to be cli
[14:30]  * Trixar_za is lazy :P
[14:33] <Kilos> lol i battled to install it coupla days ago
[14:33] <Kilos> ended up extracting on desktop and right clicking a choosing run in terminal
[14:35] <Kilos> but only gave that option on kde not unity
[14:36] <Kilos> haai Banlam bakuman julle baie still ne
[14:37] <Trixar_za> It needs several updates and the one terminal interface is broken
[14:37] <Kilos> ai!
[14:37] <Symmetria> Yay! Demo arbor unit getting plugged in tonight <3
[14:37] <Kilos> and some mods so you dont have to APN_PASS etc
[14:40] <Kilos> oh thats for peeps that use username and password on modem hey
[14:41] <Kilos> twits
[14:41] <Trixar_za> Actually you don't. Also just setting APN= in /etc/sakis3g.conf removes the asking
[14:42] <Trixar_za> It just asks to make sure the one in the internal conf is still correct
[14:42] <Trixar_za> If you force it, it doesn't ask
[14:42] <Kilos> oh lekker ty ill do that for next time i need it
[14:46] <Kilos> you should have  a file with your tips and tricks for doff peeps like me
[15:21] <Kilos> wb henkj
[15:21] <henkj> ty Kilos
[15:21] <inetpro> BTW, if you have the available bandwidth you should watch the vUDS in session at http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1303/meeting/21677/community-1303-roundtable/
[15:22] <tumbleweed> or any other sessions you are interested in
[15:22] <Kilos> ai!
[15:22]  * tumbleweed finds community sessions can be rather un-productive
[15:22] <inetpro> tumbleweed: which on eare you watching?
[15:22] <inetpro> or rather taking part in?
[15:23] <Kilos> tumbleweed: maiatoday well done to your group at the jam
[15:23] <tumbleweed> inetpro: foundations-1, right now
[15:23] <tumbleweed> but my ADSL sucks atm
[15:24] <inetpro> hmm...
[15:24]  * inetpro is about to go home and unfortunately won't be able to listen in
[15:24] <Kilos> blame Symmetria too much slacking
[15:24] <Kilos> go safe inetpro
[15:25] <inetpro> our bandwidth is still way to restrictive
[15:26] <Symmetria> heh I gave up trying to fix .za bandwidth ;p now Im trying to fix african bandwidth instead
[15:28] <inetpro> dankie Kilos
[15:28] <Symmetria> heh gonna start playing with a device called and arbor peakflow in the next few hours
[15:28] <Symmetria> its the most awesome piece of kit from everything Ive seen
[15:28] <Symmetria> netflow analyzer on steroids
[15:43] <Kilos> hmm sound still dont work in xchat
[16:20] <theblazehen> hi all
[16:22] <theblazehen> hi Kilos
[16:23] <Kilos-> ohi theblazehen
[16:23] <theblazehen> whats up? didn't see you earlier- 3g problems?
[16:23] <Kilos-> time you start using kubuntu
[16:23] <Kilos-> hehe
[16:24] <Kilos-> guess who needs help
[16:24] <theblazehen> Kilos, on my hardware?
[16:24] <theblazehen> Kilos, whats your problem this time?
[16:24] <Kilos-> what hardware?
[16:24] <Kilos-> lol
[16:24] <theblazehen> non-working gpu, 2gb ram, 1.6 GHz dual core with hyperthreading. Makes it act like 800 Mhz quad-core
[16:25] <Kilos-> everything works in kde now except i prefer xchat to konversation and quassel
[16:25] <theblazehen> Kilos, Good :)
[16:25] <theblazehen> liking KDE?
[16:25] <Kilos-> in unity i can show hidden files in home but dunno how to do that on kde
[16:25] <Kilos-> yeah its lekker
[16:26] <theblazehen> apt-get install thunar.
[16:26] <Kilos-> bit slower than unity but faster with installs
[16:26] <theblazehen> gives you the xfce file man. More features than nautilus
[16:26] <theblazehen> Kilos, good to know. might try a live cd on school pc's
[16:27] <Kilos-> i have a single core 3g cpu and 2g ram here
[16:27] <theblazehen> Lekker :)
[16:27] <Kilos-> no hyperthreading
[16:27] <theblazehen> still good
[16:27] <Kilos-> yours is faster so kde should be fine by you
[16:28] <theblazehen> bet you also have onboard graphics?
[16:28] <Kilos-> dual cores are faster hey?
[16:28] <Kilos-> nope got a nvidia fx something
[16:28] <Kilos-> old one
[16:28] <theblazehen> 1 2Ghz dual core = 1 4Ghz single core
[16:28] <Squirm> Kilos: I have xubuntu on my netbook, it runs quite well
[16:28] <Kilos-> needs nvidia-173 drivers installed
[16:29] <theblazehen> Kilos, all my rendering is done in software.
[16:29] <Squirm> which is a 1.6GHz Intel Atom and 2Gb RAM
[16:29] <Squirm> 16mb of dedicated graphics(not sure about it though)
[16:29] <theblazehen> Squirm, which model atom?
[16:29] <Kilos-> so getting a dualcore cpu here is a waste
[16:29] <theblazehen> Squirm, nvm.
[16:29] <Squirm> theblazehen: N450
[16:30] <theblazehen> Squirm, was wondering which drivers you used
[16:30] <theblazehen> Squirm, Mine is N2600
[16:30] <Squirm> ah
[16:30] <Squirm> I think my netbook is turning 3 in a few months
[16:31] <theblazehen> Squirm, Lasts long :) acer aspire one by any chance?
[16:31] <Squirm> the one and the same
[16:31] <theblazehen> Awesome :)
[16:31] <Squirm> in Red
[16:32] <Squirm> well, maroony red
[16:32] <theblazehen> Mine is black. The red doesen't look too bad either(saw someone using one)
[16:32] <Squirm> I've even accidentally pulled it off my desk
[16:32] <Squirm> while running
[16:32] <theblazehen> plugged in?
[16:32] <Squirm> yep
[16:32] <Squirm> and it's lasted another 2 years with no issues
[16:33] <Squirm> same hdd
[16:33] <superfly> I have a Toshiba nb505
[16:33] <theblazehen> my brother dropped it off his bed while playing a game
[16:33] <superfly> awesome piece of hardware
[16:33] <Squirm> and netbooks are damn easy to open compared to a laptop
[16:34] <theblazehen> Squirm, really? my old acer laptop was a lot easier
[16:34] <Squirm> I find laptop manufacturers put screws in funny places
[16:34] <Squirm> you can't do that with a netbook
[16:34] <Squirm> minimal screws anyway
[16:35] <theblazehen> ok
[16:35] <Kilos-> hi superfly how do i get to see hidden files in /home
[16:35] <Squirm> Kilos: I know in Gnome it's ctrl+h
[16:35] <Kilos-> i installed thunar but home still opens same way
[16:35] <superfly> Kilos-: Ctrl+.
[16:35] <theblazehen> Kilos, in the tools menu
[16:35] <superfly> (in Dolphin)
[16:35] <Kilos-> ty superfly
[16:35] <Squirm> thought it may be different in KDE
[16:36] <Squirm> ls -a always works :)
[16:36] <superfly> lemme just double-check that, I don't normally use Dolphin
[16:36] <Squirm> I'll bbl. going to go have a few games of squash
[16:36] <Squirm> then maybe a swim
[16:36] <Kilos-> na it made it bigger
[16:36] <superfly> Kilos-: it's Alt+.
[16:36] <Kilos-> ty sir
[16:37] <Kilos-> nope dont work
[16:37] <Kilos-> what do you use in place of dolphin
[16:38] <theblazehen> I use nautilus atm
[16:38] <Kilos-> sorry didint see the .
[16:38] <theblazehen> unity file manager
[16:44] <superfly> Kilos-: did it work now?
[16:44] <superfly> Kilos-: I use Krusader
[16:44] <Kilos-> yes ty superfly
[16:45] <Kilos-> alt+. works fine
[16:48] <Kilos> stupid xchat alerts , must need gnome stuff installed
[16:48] <Kilos> will stay on konversation
[17:19] <Kilos> ty theblazehen thunar is much like nautilus methinks. easy to conf
[17:19] <theblazehen> np
[17:20] <Kilos> and i dont have to remember alt+. too
[17:20] <Kilos> hehe
[17:20] <theblazehen> Yea:) shouldn't it keep the setting though?
[17:20] <theblazehen> thunar does
[17:21] <Kilos> no had to do it again
[17:21] <theblazehen> that really sucks.
[17:24] <Kilos> the one on unity doesnt remember either
[17:24] <Kilos> on 10.10 it did
[17:24] <Kilos> but with the option edit show hidden its not too bad
[17:25] <theblazehen> I heard that ubuntu is removing features and that mint forked it and put the features back
[17:25] <Kilos> or view
[17:25] <Kilos> i forget now
[17:25] <theblazehen> ok
[17:26] <Kilos> maybe i must use my night surfer data to get the new kubuntu
[17:26] <Kilos> if i can stay awake
[17:26] <theblazehen> Eish.. Forgot you using 3G. that stuff is expensive
[17:27] <theblazehen> sleep $seconds && wget $kubuntu_url
[17:28] <Kilos> eek lotsa seconds till 11pm
[17:29] <theblazehen> lol put in a big number then
[17:29] <Kilos> lol
[18:18] <nlsthzn> so how about that mir then?
[18:18] <Kilos> hi grantw
[18:19] <Kilos> ohi nlsthzn
[18:19] <Kilos> you see in mail there is a report for you
[18:20] <nlsthzn> Not seen ... I suspect gmail is spamminating mail again :/
[18:21] <superfly> ohi grantw, great to see you back in IRC after the Global Jam
[18:21] <nlsthzn> ah, I see about the global jam uncle Kilos ... k got it
[18:21] <Kilos> ah good
[18:24] <Kilos> they worked hard that group
[18:25] <inetpro> Kilos: how hard?
[18:25] <Kilos> hard enough to double up my headache
[18:25] <Kilos> hehe
[18:26] <inetpro> hmm..
[18:26] <nlsthzn> well everyone is going to have to work much harder as it seems Ubuntu is doing everything anew now :)
[18:27] <Kilos> will be easier if they just do lts releases methinks
[18:27] <Kilos> i like their new idea
[18:27] <Kilos> the 6 monthly bit is heavy and lotsa work
[18:28] <nlsthzn> have you heard of mir uncle Kilos ?
[18:28] <Kilos> nope nlsthzn what is it
[18:29] <nlsthzn> Canonical is working on their own display server to replace X ...
[18:29] <nlsthzn> ditched wayland
[18:30] <Kilos> oh
[18:30] <Kilos> x has been driving me mad here
[18:30] <Kilos> xserver.xorg
[18:32] <Tonberry_> x drives everyone mad
[18:32] <Kilos> hehe
[18:32] <Kilos> if i do apt-get dist-upgrade i cant boot to gui anymore
[18:33] <nlsthzn> Well, all the geeks are at each others throats on IRC and the new place to flame G+ ... I guess it was time for the next holy war, it has been ages since unity...
[18:33] <Kilos> then aptitude removes some packages with quantel in the package name but still no gui boot
[18:34] <Kilos> quantal
[18:34] <Kilos> where on irc nlsthzn
[18:34] <Kilos> #ubuntu?
[18:36] <nlsthzn> nope, there was  a big debate on the wayland channel... basically canonical said wayland can't do XYZ and the devs there is a bit miffed at this and have basically pointed out they can do that and more... just reading the news headlines myself... I am sure by next week nobody will know or care (so much)
[18:36] <Kilos> lol
[18:36] <Kilos> as long as ubuntu keeps working im happy
[18:37] <Kilos> geeks seem to be highly strung peeps with short tempers
[18:37] <Kilos> except for the fly
[18:37] <Kilos> he has the patience of jobe
[18:38] <Squirm> back
[18:38] <Kilos> wb Squirm
[18:39] <grantw> Hi superfly
[18:39] <grantw> hi Kilos
[18:39] <superfly> Kilos: I think you're thinking of the wrong person, I'm most impatient
[18:40] <Kilos> nope superfly you have helped me when i woulda said go back to school
[18:40] <Kilos> and that guy that needed help and kept threatening to go back to ms you were such a gentleman
[18:41] <Kilos> i woulda vloeked him
[18:41] <Squirm> says the man who allows no bad language ;)
[18:41] <grantw> i remember when i was starting out with Linux, i had to pay people for help :'(
[18:41] <Kilos> lol i woulda vloeked him in nice language
[18:42] <Kilos> diplomaticallt
[18:42] <Squirm> lol
[18:42] <Squirm> sure
[18:42] <Kilos> Maaz: diplomat
[18:42] <Maaz> A diplomat is a person who can tell others to go to hell in such a nice way that they look forward to the trip
[18:42] <Squirm> grantw: I figured a lot out myself, with the basic workings of linux(gui etc.), then I found this place
[18:42] <Squirm> and the Surrey LUG(UK)
[18:43] <Kilos> aw grantwthat sucks
[18:43] <grantw> yes, this is the best place, but back 10 yrs ago, I had little access to Internet
[18:43] <Kilos> i tried #ubuntu and couldnt keep up then used the lists for help and the fly told me how to install xchat and come here
[18:43]  * nlsthzn is the guy that went back to windows... well on the desktop at least... lappy still happy with the buntu
[18:44] <Kilos> no nlsthznthere was an aggressive twit came here once
[18:44] <Kilos> arrogant little dropping
[18:44] <Squirm> nlsthzn: I also switched back
[18:44] <Kilos> gave the fly many ugly words
[18:44] <Squirm> maybe twice
[18:44] <grantw> I've been using Linux on off for years, but recently switched a year ago to using it as my main desktop
[18:45] <superfly> nlsthzn: I've been enjoying Steam on Linux :-)
[18:45] <grantw> after seeing what the future of computing will be like, i.e. Apple and Windows 8, i think Linux is the only hope
[18:46] <Squirm> grantw: I think I may have switched over maybe 4 years ago now
[18:46] <Kilos> yeah
[18:46] <Squirm> maybe 3
[18:47] <nlsthzn> superfly, it is awesome it came out ... I have purchased several games specifically to support... but it just makes me want to break things when Unity and my graphics driver and games decide to go all ape and leave me having to restart... but oh well... all things will become better in time I guess
[18:47] <inetpro> Kilos: konversation is still better than xchat
[18:47] <inetpro> you're just used to xchat
[18:47]  * Kilos has doubts about that
[18:48] <Squirm> inetpro: that can't be true though. KDE is terrible in general
[18:48] <Kilos> but it can bloep now so im happy
[18:48]  * Squirm hides
[18:48] <Kilos> lol
[18:48] <inetpro> konversation is actually the best irc client I ever used, in many ways
[18:48] <Kilos> kde rocks Squirm
[18:48] <inetpro> quassel just trumps it in one way only, client <-> server mode
[18:48] <Squirm> I may look at quassel
[18:49] <Squirm> I have AndroIRC on my cell, it's quite nice
[18:49] <Kilos> if it was a bit more resource hungry i wouldnt even look at unity
[18:49] <Squirm> found I don't really use it though
[18:49] <Kilos> quassel is ok but got feeble sounds i cant hear from the kitchen
[18:49]  * nlsthzn is thinking of trying 12.3 when it drops (openSUSE) ... there KDE implementation looks amazing... new theme and branding etc... very slick
[18:50] <inetpro> nlsthzn: 12.3 ?
[18:50] <nlsthzn> opensuse
[18:51] <nlsthzn> inetpro, ... releasing in 7 days
[18:51] <inetpro> nlsthzn: why 12.3 ?
[18:51] <inetpro> it's 2013
[18:51] <Squirm> or you could just use Mint MATE
[18:52] <Squirm> linux has so many distros and gui that the arguments could go on forever
[18:52] <nlsthzn> inetpro, openSUSE has there own numbering convention... AFAIK there is something like 3 releases in a cycle of 24 months... this is the third and last...
[18:53] <nlsthzn> they are on a 8 month release cycle
[18:57] <inetpro> Squirm: talking about diff, here's some more magic from climagic
[18:57] <inetpro> diff <(grep = config.txt) <(grep = config.txt-new)
[18:58] <Squirm> that looks like... and interesting command
[18:58] <nlsthzn> good night all... yet another day shift for me coming up \o/
[18:58] <Squirm> cheers nlsthzn
[18:58] <Squirm> lemme just log into my work machie and try it quick
[18:59] <Kilos> night nlsthzn
[18:59] <Kilos> sleep tight
[19:00] <inetpro> Squirm: it just looks very confusing but isn't really
[19:00] <Squirm> and doesn't work
[19:00] <Squirm> :/
[19:00] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:00] <Squirm> $ diff <(grep = support.csv.old) <(grep = support.csv)
[19:00] <Squirm> returns no output
[19:01] <Squirm> and there is a difference
[19:02] <inetpro> Squirm: works for me
[19:02] <Squirm> let me create files locally
[19:02] <inetpro> Squirm: do you have equal signs in the file?
[19:03] <Squirm> I doubt it, but it's a excel spreadsheet exported to csv.
[19:03] <inetpro> the point is that you want to compare just the assignment lines of two config files that use = for value assignment
[19:04] <inetpro> lekker confusing :-)
[19:04] <Kilos> night all of you. sleep tight
[19:04] <Squirm> I have 2 tezt files
[19:04] <Squirm> night Kilos
[19:05] <inetpro> Kilos: waar gaan jy nou?
[19:05] <Squirm> they both contain 1-6 on seperate lines
[19:05] <inetpro> lekker slaap oom
[19:05] <Squirm> diff outputs nothing
[19:05] <Kilos> rus was n lang dag sonder krag tot na 1 uur
[19:05] <inetpro> Squirm: take it a step at a time
[19:05] <inetpro> does 'grep = support.csv.old' report anything?
[19:06] <Squirm> no
[19:06] <Kilos> if i cant sleep i might try install unity again on other drive
[19:06] <inetpro> Squirm: exactly
[19:06] <Squirm> inetpro: ok?
[19:06] <inetpro> Squirm: does 'grep = config.txt-new' output anything?
[19:07] <Squirm> no
[19:07] <inetpro> so what are you even comparing?
[19:08] <Squirm> ok
[19:08] <Squirm> I have two csv files
[19:08] <inetpro> you want to compare just the lines containing the '=' character
[19:08] <Squirm> when one csv file gets updated, I want it to display the differences between the two
[19:08] <inetpro> well you can grep for anything else for that matter
[19:08] <Squirm> this is easy and done with diff
[19:08] <Squirm> what I now want to do
[19:09] <Squirm> is work out whether a new line has been added to the document, or an exisitng line has been changed
[19:10] <inetpro> Squirm: well with diff -u you can see either a - or a +
[19:10] <Squirm> a changed line has a - and a +
[19:10] <inetpro> if a line was changed you will see a - and a +
[19:10] <inetpro> if a line was added you will just see a +
[19:10] <Squirm> so maybe I'll have to check if it's just a +, or if it has a - pair
[19:11] <inetpro> if a line was just removed you will just see a -
[19:11] <magespawn> evening all
[19:11] <inetpro> good morning magespawn
[19:12] <magespawn> just reading the conversation
[19:12] <inetpro> Squirm: you can specify number of lines of context with -U
[19:12] <inetpro> man diff
[19:13] <magespawn> Squirm: do you have a droid phone?
[19:13] <Squirm> magespawn: yep
[19:14] <magespawn> there is also quasseldroid
[19:14] <Squirm> [20:48:58] .:Squirm:. I may look at quassel
[19:14] <Squirm> that's what I was getting at with that
[19:15] <inetpro> Squirm: diff -U0 support.csv.old support.csv   ### display just the differences with no context
[19:15] <Squirm> inetpro: an addition is still a difference
[19:16] <inetpro> sure
[19:16] <Squirm> I want to know what is an addition and what is a modification
[19:16] <Squirm> with the content
[19:16] <Squirm> so I may have to programatically make it work, make it figure out the + and -
[19:16] <magespawn> ahh just saw the AndroIrc comment
[19:17] <Squirm> magespawn: yeah, I never quite finished my thought with that one
[19:19] <Symmetria> lol man this tv show has everything needed to make a successful show, sadly
[19:19] <Symmetria> gratitious violence = check
[19:19] <Symmetria> soft porn = check
[19:19] <Symmetria> vague story line = check
[19:19] <Squirm> and what tv show might this be?
[19:19] <Symmetria> banshee
[19:20] <Squirm> hmm
[19:21] <Squirm> looks interesting Symmetria
[19:23] <Squirm> will see the first 3 ep's
[19:23] <Squirm> omg, I forgot I downloaded the new Californication last night
[19:23] <Squirm> :/
[19:23] <magespawn> http://www.humblebundle.com/ new one out
[19:24] <Squirm> what is it?
[19:24] <Symmetria> wtf is with mweb's crappy bandwidth tonight
[19:25] <Symmetria> cant get more than like, 120k/second international
[19:25]  * Symmetria reroutes
[19:25] <Squirm> DRM-free games
[19:26] <Symmetria> set routing-options static route <IP_ADDRESS>/0 next-hop <IP_ADDRESS>; delete routing-options static route <IP_ADDRESS>/0 next-hop <IP_ADDRESS>; commit
[19:26] <Symmetria> ooops
[19:26] <Symmetria> ignore that
[19:26] <Squirm> hah
[19:28] <Symmetria> lol stupid puppy wants to play, she keeps bringing her chew toys and dropping them on my feet then barking at me
[19:28] <Symmetria> so I ignore her so she goes and gets the next toy
[19:37] <Squirm> lol
[19:37] <Squirm> 10 for effor
[19:37] <Squirm> t
[19:38] <Squirm> 10 for ingenuity
[20:09] <Symmetria> lol this banshee show is amusing, the violence is so over the top
[20:12] <Squirm> epic episode of californication
[21:02] <magespawn> good night all


[00:25] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, my condolences my friend!
[00:45] <Wild_Man> Hello krytarik, it is okay to post links about gnome since Ubuntu uses it know correct?
[00:46] <krytarik> Of course - even KDE is, and in fact we already did. >_>
[00:48] <Wild_Man> Okay, just checking I am running on very little sleep
[01:07] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Thanks - we go on :)
[01:09] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, indeed but some times it is not easy
[01:12] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Been burying kin folk all  my life, as tough as it is soon enough it will be my turn .
[01:18] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I know how that is