[00:34] <chrisccoulson> hey robert_ancell - i see you've taken the gnome-system-tools update
[00:34] <chrisccoulson> are you doing system-tools-backends too?
[00:35] <robert_ancell> hi chrisccoulson, I will do
[00:35] <chrisccoulson> thanks:)
[01:59] <chrisccoulson> bryc
[01:59] <chrisccoulson> bryce - Xorg will re-use window ID's won't it?
[02:01] <chrisccoulson> so, if an application has a window ID from an event at some point in time, and then does something with it later on, there is no guarantee that the ID will correspond to the same window?
[06:10] <pitti> Good morning
[06:14] <kklimonda> morning
[06:55] <robert_ancell> hey pitti, can you look at the changes I am making in bug 417985 for the new polkit release?  I need to package this to make the new gnome-system-tools work
[06:55] <pitti> hey robert_ancell
[06:56] <robert_ancell> pitti, polkit-gnome now has polkitgtk functionality, how do you think the package should be split?
[06:57] <pitti> robert_ancell: you mean a libpolkit-gtk?
[06:57] <robert_ancell> pitti, yes
[06:57] <robert_ancell> pitti, but it shares translations with the existing polkit-gnome code
[06:57] <pitti> robert_ancell: if it builds a new shared library, it should be split out, yes
[06:57] <pitti> robert_ancell: that's fine
[06:59] <pitti> great, another step on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/PolicyKitOneMigration
[07:00] <pitti> robert_ancell: btw, the source package is named policykit-1-gnome
[07:01] <robert_ancell> pitti, but polkit-1-gnome upstream :)
[07:01] <pitti> robert_ancell: right, but the branch is policykit-gnome-1
[07:01] <pitti> anyway, once the migration is done, we can drop the -1
[07:01] <pitti> robert_ancell: do you have a package for new policykit-1, too?
[07:02] <robert_ancell> pitti, yes
[07:02] <robert_ancell> bug 417984
[07:02] <pitti> robert_ancell: so yes, please split out the new gtk library then
[07:03] <pitti> robert_ancell: I'll sponsor that in the meantime then
[07:19] <pitti> robert_ancell: bug 417984 updated, apparently this is missing some build deps; could you please check the configure.ac diff?
[07:19] <robert_ancell> pitti, ok
[07:22] <robert_ancell> pitti, oh, introspection.  I thought that was off by default.  Do we build it if we can?
[07:23] <pitti> robert_ancell: I guess we should start doing it now, but I'm not sure
[07:23] <pitti> if you can disable it in configure, that's fine as well
[07:23] <robert_ancell> pitti, I will disable now to keep it simple, enable it when we have a need
[07:25] <robert_ancell> pitti, did I name libpolkit-gtk0 correctly?  Or is it libpolkit-gtk-1-0?  Very confused with naming scheme...
[07:25] <pitti> robert_ancell: what's the name of the .so?
[07:26] <robert_ancell> libpolkit-gtk-1.so.0.0.0
[07:26] <pitti> right then it's libpolkit-gtk-1-0
[07:26] <pitti> it's usually "librarynameSONAME"
[07:26] <pitti> but if libraryname ends with a number, it's "libraryname-SONAME"
[07:27] <pitti> i. e. libc.so.6 -> libc6, but libfoo-1.so.0 -> libfoo-1-0
[07:27] <robert_ancell> pitti, ok, thanks
[07:58] <robert_ancell> OK, pitti I seem to have everything working, please sponsor bugs 417900, 417899, 416321, 417984.  Who knew just updating gnome-system tools would set off a chain of dependencies to be upgraded :)
[07:58] <pitti> robert_ancell: heh, thanks for doing these updates
[07:59] <pitti> robert_ancell: and a new pk-gnome as well? (what was the bug again?)
[07:59] <robert_ancell> bug?
[08:00] <robert_ancell>  pitti: what bug?
[08:00] <pitti> the sponsoring bug
[08:00] <pitti> or are you still working on the library splitout?
[08:01] <robert_ancell> pitti, i gave you the wrong four tabs, ignore the gnome-games one and the pk-gnome one is bug 417985
[08:01] <pitti> ah
[08:01] <pitti> robert_ancell: hm, did you push policykit-1? "No revisions to pull."
[08:02] <pitti> (could be just LP lag)
[08:02] <robert_ancell> pitti, sorry, pushed now
[08:02] <pitti> ok, will upload the lot
[08:15] <pitti> robert_ancell: I'll do a small fix, the *.so should go into -dev
[08:15] <robert_ancell> pitti, ah that explains it,  I was confused why libpolkit-gobject didn't have the .so in its install file...
[08:18] <pitti> it's only required for gcc (-lfoo looks for libfoo.so)
[08:18] <pitti> but at runtime it uses the SONAME-versioned file
[08:21] <pitti> robert_ancell: hm, odd that policykit-1-gnome doesn't depend on the new library
[08:22] <robert_ancell> pitti, on libpolkit-gtk?
[08:22] <pitti> right
[08:22] <pitti> perhaps it's just some d-bus shim
[08:23] <robert_ancell> pitti, afaik it is a completely separate library for polkit clients, I was suprised that it is bundled in the polkit-gnome source release as it's not that related
[08:23] <robert_ancell> it only contains a GTK+ unlock button at the moment I think
[08:23]  * pitti -> breakfast
[08:45] <chrisccoulson> good morning evefyone
[08:45] <chrisccoulson> s/evefyone/everyone
[08:47] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson, how are you?
[08:47] <chrisccoulson> hey pitti - i'm good thanks. and how was your holiday?
[08:48] <pitti> chrisccoulson: excellent, and very relaxing; we bicycled 900 km through Germany and tented, with splendid weather
[08:48] <pitti> 14 days of fresh air are great :)
[08:48] <chrisccoulson> fantastic. do you not feel like another holiday after 900km though? ;)
[08:52] <didrocks> hey pitti, chrisccoulson!
[08:52]  * didrocks back from vacation too
[08:52] <chrisccoulson> pitti - i see you commented on bug 412555 this morning. have you seen the discussion that bratsche started on desktop-devel-list?
[08:53] <pitti> chrisccoulson: nah, just my butt :)
[08:53] <chrisccoulson> hey didrocks!
[08:53] <pitti> chrisccoulson: no, I didn't see that; I'm not on desktop-devel
[08:53] <chrisccoulson> oops, wrong bug number!
[08:53] <chrisccoulson> pitti - http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2009-August/msg00064.html
[08:53] <chrisccoulson> unfortunately, it went slightly off-topic, and not many people came up with suggestions
[08:54] <chrisccoulson> did you have a good vacation didrocks?
[08:55]  * pitti hugs didrocks, enjoyed your vac, too?
[08:55] <pitti> chrisccoulson: will read in a bit, thanks
[08:55] <didrocks> great, thanks! very resting (swimming with this hot weather really rocks ;)) and some walk in the moutains :)
[08:55]  * didrocks hugs pitti back
[08:56] <didrocks> pitti: the weather was not too hot for those 900 km?
[08:57] <pitti> didrocks: at some days it was pretty warm (30 degrees), but mostly it was okay
[08:57] <pitti> and while you are on the way you have some wind to cool :)
[08:57] <didrocks> indeed ^^
[09:00] <pitti> robert_ancell: you dropped the system-tools-backends dependency from g-s-t, was that intended?
[09:00] <pitti> changelog says otherwise
[09:03] <lool> pitti: welcome back!
[09:04] <pitti> hey lool, thanks!
[09:09] <pitti> robert_ancell: I'll re-add the dep
[09:13] <robert_ancell> pitti, thanks, that was a mistake.
[09:14] <robert_ancell> bye all
[09:38] <chrisccoulson> pitti - is it possible to stop the retracer from marking newly reported bugs as duplicates of one which was already fixed? We've been getting lots of gnome-settings-daemon crashes in the last couple of weeks with a similar stacktrace to an old (fixed) bug, but all the new reports are being marked as duplicates of that bug, and having their stacktrace's removed
[09:39] <chrisccoulson> there is a separate thread of bug reports for the new issue
[09:40] <pitti> chrisccoulson: yes, I can change it in the dup db; do you have the # of the old bug and a "new" one which should become the new master bug?
[09:42] <chrisccoulson> pitti - the old one is bug 254671
[09:42] <chrisccoulson> and the new one is bug 321041
[09:43] <chrisccoulson> but the new one doesn't have all of the usual apport information, as it got removed when it was marked as a duplicate
[09:43] <chrisccoulson> (although, I do have a stacktrace on the bug report now)
[09:43] <pitti> chrisccoulson: you manually unduped them? They shouldn't have become dupes in the first place, it's a different function
[09:43] <chrisccoulson> pitti - someone else has been manually un-duping the new ones which come in
[09:44] <pitti> oh, I see, the stack trace top is just error handling
[09:45] <chrisccoulson> yeah - they do actually look very similar, but it seems that there is an upstream bug report on the old one which fixes a very specific issue
[09:46] <chrisccoulson> so, i'm not sure they're the same issue, even though the traces look similar
[09:47] <mac_v> pitti: another issue with apport > Bug #416106 , seb was saying the retracers were crashing for totem so i filed a bug , or is it a known issue?
[09:47] <pitti> mac_v: please assign the bug to me, will have a look later
[09:47] <mac_v> ok :)
[09:50] <pitti> Chazz: db updated
[09:50] <chrisccoulson> pitti - was that aimed at me? ;)
[09:50] <pitti> oops
[09:50] <Chazz> pitti, ?
[09:50]  * pitti should put more attention to IRC
[09:50] <chrisccoulson> thanks:)
[09:50] <pitti> Chazz: sorry, tab completion fuzz
[09:51] <Chazz> pitti, that's happened to me hundreds of times :P
[10:12] <mvo> hey glatzor!
[10:21] <chrisccoulson> http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/versions.html is not being updated is it?
[10:21] <Amaranth> mvo: can you look at bug 91786 and the branch linked to it?
[10:21] <mvo> Amaranth: sure, much thanks
[10:22] <Amaranth> mvo: I created the code with help from onestone_ (thanks, btw) so it should be good :)
[10:22] <mvo> Amaranth: I will upload now (once I resolved some conflicts in my apt merge :)
[10:22] <Amaranth> yay
[10:22] <mvo> or maybe before, conclict resolving is just no fun :(
[10:23]  * mvo hugs Amaranth and is happy to see him
[10:23] <Amaranth> mvo: I was tempted to just merge the branch myself but the gnome-do guys beat into my head that everyone's stuff has to get reviewed first :)
[10:23] <Amaranth> mvo: hehe, I hope to fix a couple more issues in the near future
[10:24] <Amaranth> Being unemployed gives you lots of free time for such things :/
[10:24] <mvo> Amaranth: that great news that you work on the stuff again (the unemployment bit is not that great :(((((
[10:24] <Amaranth> eh, I knew it was coming so I saved enough to live on for a few months so I'm not too sad about it
[10:25]  * mvo nods
[10:25] <Amaranth> mvo: have any other bugs for compiz you think should get fixed asap
[10:25] <Amaranth> ?
[10:25]  * mvo looks at the bug list
[10:26] <Amaranth> mvo: oh, I think the doPoll bug has a fix in git
[10:26] <mvo> Amaranth: one nice feature would be to use protobuf in compiz itself, for the plugins we have it now and it is a nice speed up
[10:26] <mvo> but probably out of scope
[10:26] <mvo> Amaranth: ohhhhh - the doPoll() bug is fixed? woah!
[10:26] <Amaranth> mvo: upstream is apparently undecided on whether or not to do an 0.8.4 release or just let people use snapshots/cherrypicking
[10:27] <mvo> I can do a snapshot now and see if that is good
[10:27] <Amaranth> mvo: apparently most of the doPoll crashes on are exit but since exit is usually logout people don't see it until some time into their next login
[10:27] <mvo> but a real release would be cool
[10:27] <Amaranth> mvo: So what is thought to be the main doPoll crasher should be fixed but it is still unknown if all of those dupes are the same bug or not
[10:28]  * mvo nods
[10:28] <mvo> in the 0.8 branch I assume?
[10:28] <Amaranth> mvo: the protobuf still would likely make more sense for the master branch considering how long it'd take to get right
[10:28] <Amaranth> mvo: actually the bug still existed in master but yeah, it was fixed in both branches
[10:34] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: "Last updated: Friday August 14 2009" seems not
[10:35] <chrisccoulson> heh, thanks didrocks - i should have spotted the date there really;)
[10:36] <chrisccoulson> so, we might be way behind with updates now! i didn't do any while people were on holiday ;)
[10:37] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: probably (and GNOME 2.27.91 is due on wednesday. So new tarballs from today)
[10:38] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: you still can launch it on your computer :)
[10:38] <chrisccoulson> thanks, yeah, i didn't try that yet
[10:40] <Amaranth> mvo: looks like fixing metacity to let compiz start when compositing enabled would be a good bug to fix
[10:47] <mvo> Amaranth: what bugnumber is this (I'm not on top of things with compiz anymore)
[10:47] <mvo> Amaranth: I ask on #compiz-dev about the release
[10:48] <mvo> would be nice to have one for karmic if that is possible
[10:48] <Amaranth> bug 178953
[10:48] <mvo> oh, right
[10:48] <Amaranth> it's actually a bug in metacity and owen suggested a good fix on the upstream bug report
[10:56] <mvo> Amaranth: I merged you branch, just shout when I should upload. otherwise I will wait a bit for more to come :)
[11:01] <Amaranth> mvo: I suspect you'll be in bed by the time I wake up and get anything else done, if I even have anything by then
[11:02] <Amaranth> mvo: in compiz, anyway
[11:02] <Amaranth> I may have a patch for metacity in a minute...
[11:03] <mvo> cool
[11:03] <Amaranth> yay, metacity fixed
[11:04] <Laney> huh, didn't know that was a bug
[11:04] <Laney> I just assumed that I couldn't have compiz ;)
[11:05] <Amaranth> Laney: so did asac, his bug is marked as High against compiz because of metacity problems :P
[11:06] <Laney> psh, still didn't enable
[11:06] <Laney> oh well
[11:06] <Amaranth> Laney: pastebin output of compiz --replace in terminal
[11:07] <Laney> works when I do it like that
[11:07] <Laney> but not from g-a-p
[11:08] <Amaranth> that should be all the appearance capplet is doing...
[11:08] <Amaranth> Laney: check your ~/.xsession-errors, see if you can see compiz trying to start (should be at the end)
[11:08] <Laney> it does some jockey stuff
[11:08] <Amaranth> oh, what is the error g-a-p gives you?
[11:09] <Amaranth> g-a-p will bail if jockey says you need a blob you don't have or can't get
[11:09] <Laney> It just says "could not enable desktop effects"
[11:09] <Laney> or something like that
[11:09] <Laney> but --replace actually seems ok
[11:09] <Amaranth> Laney: sounds like a jockey or g-a-p bug then
[11:10] <Laney> even though I have no window switcher
[11:10] <Laney> how can I manually set compiz as my WM then?
[11:10] <Amaranth> run compiz --replace on login :P
[11:11] <Laney> heh
[11:16] <chrisccoulson> Laney - run 'gconftool-2 --set --type string /desktop/sessions/required_components/windowmanager compiz"
[11:16] <chrisccoulson> or something like that ;)
[11:16] <chrisccoulson> i might have gotten the path wrong
[11:16] <Laney> thanks
[11:16] <Laney> I might not stick with compiz though
[11:16] <Amaranth> the session stuff has changed at least twice since the last time I looked at it
[11:16] <Laney> it's too intense for me :(
[11:16] <Amaranth> once on our end, once by having gnome-session rewritten
[11:17]  * Laney is trying to tone down the bling
[11:17] <chrisccoulson> the way we start the window manager is way too complicated
[11:18] <chrisccoulson> we patch the upstream gnome-wm script with our own magic, and i'm not too sure what any of it does anymore
[11:18] <Amaranth> I love how new packages for universe have to have no lintian warnings and such but the metacity package has 2 pages of them :P
[11:19] <Laney> Do as I say, not as I do!
[11:19] <chrisccoulson> lol. what are the warnings?
[11:19] <Amaranth> chrisccoulson: stuff like no manpage
[11:20] <chrisccoulson> ah, ok.
[11:20] <Amaranth> I had to make a worthless manpage for alacarte before it got accepted in universe :P
[11:20] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i'm not sure what use a manpage is for a window manager
[11:21] <Laney> help2man to the rescue
[11:26] <Amaranth> ok, bug 178953 has a branch linked, someone wanna review and upload for me? :)
[11:26] <Amaranth> I also sent the patch upstream via the linked bug report
[12:30] <Keybuk> Riddell: hey, how's it going?
[12:38] <Riddell> hi Keybuk, all sunny here
[12:40] <Riddell> Keybuk: able to make a meeting at 17:00?
[12:42] <Keybuk> Riddell: just saw that in my calendar, what's it about?
[12:42] <Riddell> what needs to be done for Kubuntu WRT xsplash
[12:43] <pitti> ArneGoetje: FYI, I'm cleaning up {dapper,gutsy}-proposed on rookery, since we won't update them any more anyway, and space is tight
[12:44] <Keybuk> Riddell: probably depends a little bit on the design of kdm
[12:44] <Keybuk> but basically you'd want to start xsplash as one of the first things in whatever equivalent of xinit kdm has
[12:44] <Keybuk> and then have the kdm greeter equivalent signal to it to go away
[12:45] <Keybuk> then you'd want to restart xsplash as one of the first things in the equivalent of xsession
[12:45] <Keybuk> and have the kdm session manager/window manager/etc. signal to it to go away
[12:46] <Riddell> Keybuk: we don't want to use xsplash itself since it has a  GTK dependency so it's a questions of what we want ksplashx to do
[12:46] <Keybuk> I guess you'd want it to do the same as xsplash
[12:47] <Keybuk> it should be very small and lightweight, so it starts *really* fast
[12:47] <Riddell> well yes, a GTK dependency is strange for that reason
[12:47] <Keybuk> the idea is to paint something on the screen while the greeter or session loads, after all
[12:47] <Riddell> Keybuk: why is there a delay starting the GDM greeter at all?
[12:48] <Keybuk> there isn't a "delay"
[12:48] <Keybuk> it just takes a long time
[12:48] <Keybuk> 3-5s depending on hardware fwict
[12:49] <Keybuk> if kdm takes less than a quarter of a second to be ready, then you could skip it entirely and just have a splash for the session login
[12:49] <Keybuk> (which never takes a quarter of a second :p)
[12:49] <Keybuk> but I don't remember kdm's greeter being especially fast either
[12:49] <Riddell> mm
[12:49] <Riddell> Keybuk: is GDM moving from being at S30 ?
[12:49] <Keybuk> gdm will be started by upstart
[12:52] <pitti> Keybuk: btw, I understand you have a huge pile of upstartization; will that land before FF still?
[12:52] <Keybuk> pitti: it's always been targeted before Beta
[12:52] <pitti> Keybuk: oh, and hello :)
[12:53] <Keybuk> hello :-)
[12:55] <Riddell> Keybuk: so we want to have KDM upstarted too, have it start ksplashx toot sweet and kill it when the greeter is shown (also if autologin happens), and that should be it (it's already started during session login)
[12:55] <Keybuk> Riddell: that would be a good plan yeah
[12:56] <Keybuk> David Barth's team are doing the "Boot Experience" work (ie. xsplash), not me though
[12:56]  * Keybuk sees his job more as making their hard work obsolete because boot is too fast to *be* an experience <g>
[12:56] <Riddell> Keybuk: yep, he mentioned that Aurelien could work on this
[13:06] <huats> hello eveyone !
[13:07] <chrisccoulson> hello huats!
[13:08] <chrisccoulson> hey bryce - did you see my comment last night? (I forgot it was still sunday when I sent it, and you were probably resting ;) )
[13:09] <chrisccoulson> i think u've got to the bottom of this X error causing the gnome-settings-daemon crash now
[13:09] <chrisccoulson> s/u've/i've
[13:43] <SiDi> Is there anyone around who knows very well how atk works ?
[13:59] <mpt> mvo, ready for a call?
[13:59] <mvo> mpt: in a sec
[14:00] <mvo> mpt: now
[14:00] <mpt> k
[14:08] <ArneGoetje> pitti: ok
[14:23] <bratsche> Morning.
[14:31] <mvo> is it just me or is launchpad.net not responding?
[14:35] <pedro_> mvo, works fine here
[14:37] <mvo> pedro_: thanks, back for me too, maybe a hickup with my connection or provider
[15:23] <pitti> mvo: edge is utterly slow for me, too
[15:41] <pitti> or, rather, the interweb tube to everythign Canonicalish is slow right now
[16:00] <mvo> glatzor: python-apt <IP_ADDRESS> just got uploaded (including the actiongroup interface)
[16:04] <glatzor> mvo, thanks for your fast response on my request
[16:04] <mvo> glatzor: my pleasure :)
[16:04]  * mvo hugs glatzor
[16:05] <mvo> glatzor: I didn't manage to work on the "enable source" feature in aptdaemon today, I will do that tomorrow
[16:05] <mvo> glatzor: but the good news is that that app-center^Wsoftware-store (that is the new name) can get uploaded now and it will use aptdaemon
[16:07] <glatzor> mvo, oh. great. and you did not have any main loop issues?
[16:09] <mvo> glatzor: none that I'm aware of yet,
[16:09] <mvo> glatzor: it did not get a lot of testing so far
[16:09] <mvo> glatzor: but installing/removing etc works for me (and updating the status)
[16:11] <glatzor> mvo, do reuse the widgets supplied by python-aptdaemon?
[16:14] <mvo> glatzor: no, its a custom one (a treeview subclass)
[16:15] <mvo> glatzor: if you are interested check out lp:software-store
[16:15] <mvo> glatzor: its based around the design by mpt and a bit different from you widgets (but I got inspired there of course :)
[16:46] <mvo> is robert on vac ? or will he show up today, I would like to talk to him about compiz :)
[17:21] <pitti> rickspencer3: in your "send weekly reports" announcement, can you please mention that everyone should update their spec status and check the ones which aren't beta available for feature freeze feasibility?
[17:26] <chrisccoulson> thanks for updating the bug db earlier pitti - the new reports are being marked as duplicates of the correct bug now :)
[17:26] <pitti> \o/
[17:26] <kenvandine> pitti, we need to sponsor gdm too, in conjunction with the indicator stuff
[17:26]  * kenvandine finds the bug number
[17:27] <pitti> need to leave for today, see you all tomorrow!
[17:28] <kenvandine> pitti, bug 410498
[17:28] <pitti> kenvandine: please /msg me the bug # I need to sponsor, I'll do it tomorrow morning then
[17:28] <kenvandine> pitti, ok thx!
[17:28] <pitti> kenvandine: the indicator stuff as well, once the brnaches are sorted out
[17:29] <kenvandine> pitti, it is all done
[17:29] <kenvandine> and i msg'd you them just now :)
[17:29] <kenvandine> thx!
[17:29] <kenvandine> have a good night
[18:15] <didrocks> pitti, kenvandine: can it be considered as a good practice to source the added /etc/bash_completion.d/<file> in postinst to give the user immediate shell completion in his environment (at least, for the current shell)?
[18:15] <didrocks> I see nothing in bzr postinst
[18:20] <kenvandine> didrocks, i don't think it is a good idea
[18:23] <chrisccoulson> hey didrocks - did you enjoy your first day back from vacation?:)
[18:23] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: "enjoy" is not really the word but we can say that ^^
[18:23] <chrisccoulson> hehe ;)
[18:24] <chrisccoulson> what do you do normally during the day outside of ubuntu (if you don't mind me asking)?
[18:25] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: I'm working as a production engineer for the VCS infrastructure of my company
[18:25] <didrocks> (so, still related to IT)
[18:25] <chrisccoulson> cool, that sounds fun:)
[18:25] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: and you? :)
[18:26] <chrisccoulson> i'm an electronics design engineer for a company making braking systems
[18:26] <chrisccoulson> not very fun ;)
[18:26] <chrisccoulson> and not related to IT or software either!
[18:27] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: are you more on the R&D side?
[18:27] <chrisccoulson> yeah, sort of. although, i'm not sure how much R&D is possible with braking systems ;)
[18:28]  * didrocks tries to remember what I learnt on electronic during my general engineering studies :)
[18:28] <didrocks> oh yeah… it was not fun ^^
[18:29] <chrisccoulson> heh, yeah. i didn't mind learning electronics - and that really is all i learnt for 4 years
[18:29] <chrisccoulson> but working in electronics isn't as much fun
[18:30] <chrisccoulson> probably why i spend so much time on here;)
[18:31] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: sure :)
[18:34] <Ampelbein> hey guys, could you check if you can still access e.g. system-administration-time_and_date with the gnome-system-tools update from today? I can't unlock the settings.
[18:36] <chrisccoulson> Ampelbein - did you get the system-tools-backends update too?
[18:36] <chrisccoulson> you'll need them both due to the porting to polkit-1
[18:39] <Ampelbein> chrisccoulson: oh wait a second. yeah, systemtools-backends is up to date, but gnome-system-tools is not. It can't be due to it not being built.
[18:40] <Ampelbein> chrisccoulson: see https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-tools/2.27.3-0ubuntu1
[18:41] <Ampelbein> chrisccoulson: that's weird, it is DEPWAIT on libpolkit-gtk-1-dev which has been published 8 hours ago.
[19:01] <hyperair> pitti: out of curiosity, what did you do to get the arrow in podsleuth's changelog?
[19:14] <geser> hyperair: as the changelog is encoded in UTF-8 one can use → (U+2192) (or any other UTF-8 character)
[19:15] <hyperair> hmm
[19:15] <hyperair> i see
[19:15]  * hyperair was thinking more along the lines of a compose key =\
[19:16] <geser> in vim it would be ctrl-v u2192 (in insert mode) to get it
[19:37] <chrisccoulson> Ampelbein - i wonder if it is because libpolki-gtk-1-dev binary is in universe?
[19:37] <Ampelbein> chrisccoulson: yeah, that's it. geser pointed that out on debian-devel. I only looked at the sourcepackage, which is in main.
[19:38] <chrisccoulson> ah, ok, i didn't realise
[19:38] <Ampelbein>  /s/debian-devel/ubuntu-devel obviously
[19:39] <chrisccoulson> pitti^^


[05:09] <Kilos> morning peeps
[05:09] <Kilos> hi tumbleweed havent you gone to bed yet?
[05:10] <tumbleweed> Kilos: might do so soon
[05:10] <Kilos> whew
[05:10] <Kilos> have a good sleep and a good day
[05:11] <tumbleweed> thanks :) enjoy your day, too
[05:12] <Kilos> ty
[05:42] <Squirm> morning
[05:42] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[06:06] <bduk> More almal
[06:07] <Kilos> hi bduk
[06:11] <bduk> Genoeg gereen Kilos
[06:11] <Kilos> nee man net 10mm
[06:11] <bduk> Darem 150 by ons maar die meter wys net 50
[06:11] <Kilos> sjoe
[06:53] <Kilos> more inetpro
[06:53] <Kilos> hi bushtech
[06:54] <bushtech> Hi Kilos
[07:17] <Kilos> hi Xethron
[07:17] <Kilos> morning superfly hows the family?
[07:20] <superfly> hi Kilos, all good.
[07:20] <Kilos> nice
[07:25] <superfly> hi ThatGraemeGuy, finally got to work?
[07:25] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[07:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning, yes
[07:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> hour and a half to travel 7km, happy monday :)
[07:30] <Kilos> ouch
[07:30] <Kilos> what broke
[07:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://www.tygerburger.co.za/200182/news-details/n1-into-cape-town-closed-due-to-accident
[07:35] <Kilos> eish
[07:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> eish indeed
[08:29] <TinuvaMac> would be awesome to have a freenode server in africa
[08:36] <Kilos> speak to the hetzner peeps, their servers are lekker fast
[09:40] <magespawn> good morning all
[09:43] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[09:44] <magespawn> hello Kilos
[09:44] <Kilos> important meet tomorrow night hey
[09:44] <Kilos> wb ThatGraemeGuy
[09:55] <magespawn> yes i saw the mails. was it added to the agenda?
[09:55] <Kilos> thanks man i couldnt get to do that
[09:56] <Kilos> oh no if you can will you please. i keep getting lost there
[09:56] <Kilos> when i login i go to me not the agenda page
[09:59] <magespawn> i will if i get a chance, i am trying to sort a hacked website
[10:00] <magespawn> anybody have any idea how they are redirecting canefields.co.za to http://ansainmobiliaria.com/wp/wp-content/plugins/Paypal-Account/ ?
[10:02] <Kilos> sjoe
[10:03] <Kilos> ill go have another go with the agenda, but things changed from last time. and when i go to G+ i dont see circles anymore
[10:03] <Kilos> sort your site lad. lemme see
[10:04] <Squirm> magespawn: I think it's in the index.html of canefields
[10:05] <magespawn> cool thanks Squirm, will check there
[10:05] <Squirm> or their index.php
[10:05] <Squirm> because when I ping canefields.co.za, I get a reply from the company they use as their nameservers(must be their hosting providers too), found that on co.za
[10:06] <Squirm> so you're getting to the correct site, then being directed after that
[10:06] <magespawn> i thought as much Squirm, just could not see how it was happeningn
[10:07] <Squirm> a redirect is as simple as: header("Location: " . http://blah.blah);
[10:07] <Squirm> in php
[10:13] <Squirm> I even tried to download that file, but even wget gets redirected
[10:14] <Squirm> so I can't see the infected file either
[10:15] <TinuvaMac> could also be .htaccess if the hacker somehow got access to write that file
[10:17] <Squirm> magespawn: what is the IP address of the server it's hosted on?
[10:17] <magespawn> let me check
[10:18] <magespawn> <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:18] <Squirm> the one it's meant to be hosted on
[10:18] <Squirm> maybe look in cpanel?
[10:27] <magespawn> Squirm, i can't find anything there
[10:33] <Squirm> Connecting to canefields.co.za (canefields.co.za)|<IP_ADDRESS>|:80... connected.
[10:33] <Squirm> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 302 Moved Temporarily
[10:33] <Squirm> ok
[10:33] <Squirm> so it looks like that's how they're doing it
[10:35] <Squirm> magespawn: it could very well be in the .htaccess ?
[10:36] <magespawn> okay
[10:36] <magespawn> .htaccess in the public_html folder?
[10:36] <Squirm> it'll be in the root of the website
[10:36] <Squirm> so probably that one
[10:37] <Squirm> unless something has happend on the hosts side
[10:38] <Squirm> look for the code 302
[10:38] <magespawn> http://pastebin.com/E8CP0Anb this is the .htaccess file
[10:39] <Squirm> :/
[10:43] <Squirm> I have a feeling you're going to have to create a ticket with your host. Tell them is seems your website is being redirected through the status code 302
[10:43] <Squirm> maybe they can have a look
[10:44] <magespawn> thanks Squirm
[10:44] <Squirm> yeah... I'm not sure where they're hiding that
[10:44] <Squirm> or what else could be wrong
[10:45] <Kilos> Squirm, you got some time?
[10:46] <Kilos> i go to agenda then login and end up in ubuntu wiki
[10:46] <Kilos> http://bit.ly/1sKcgnI
[10:46] <Squirm> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20141028
[10:47] <Kilos> lemme look
[10:47] <Squirm> why do you have to login?
[10:47] <Kilos> to add an item to the agenda
[10:47] <Squirm> one logged in, try go to that link again?
[10:48] <Kilos> there used to be an add button on the thing to add
[10:48] <Kilos> i dont see it anymore
[10:49] <Squirm> just creating an account quick
[10:49] <Kilos> ok ty
[10:50] <Kilos> weenie broke it
[10:50] <Squirm> it's hanging on the login screen :/
[10:50] <Kilos> it takes long to login
[10:51] <Kilos> 5 mins last time
[10:51] <Kilos> i thought ubuntuone was given up but i see its there when you login and thats what takes the time
[10:52] <Squirm> I think nuvolari_ has made it unchangable
[10:52] <Squirm> top left, it says Immutable Page
[10:52] <Kilos> oh ya nuvolari_  hmm...
[10:52] <Squirm> Immutable being unchangable
[10:52] <Kilos> nuvolari_, ping
[10:52] <Squirm> I'll drop him a message
[10:53] <Kilos> please do and remind him he is chairing tomorrow night
[10:54] <Squirm> yep
[10:54] <TinuvaMac> magespawn: you should look at your index.php again, i think it is in there, because: http://pastebin.com/HGixejRf
[10:54] <Squirm> lunch time
[10:54] <TinuvaMac> or any of the files included by index.php
[10:55] <Squirm> TinuvaMac: I checked. but look at the status code, 302 Temporarily Moved. that's usually something you put in a .htaccess or maybe even in the httpd config
[10:55] <Squirm> lunch time :)
[10:57] <TinuvaMac> squirm, even php header('Location: http://somesite') will cause a code 302 redirect
[10:57] <Squirm> ah
[10:57] <Squirm> ok
[10:58] <TinuvaMac> for example: header('Location: http://somesite.com/',true,302);
[10:59] <TinuvaMac> http://uk3.php.net/manual/en/function.header.php
[10:59] <Squirm> ok
[10:59] <Squirm> I see
[10:59] <TinuvaMac> so I am 100% sure, there is a line like that either in index.php or any of the files included by index.php
[10:59] <Squirm> Kilos: once logged in, go back to the meeting page
[10:59] <Squirm> top left is the edit button
[11:00] <Squirm> you have to be logged in though
[11:02] <TinuvaMac> ok so check this http://pastebin.com/RWyEWGA5
[11:02] <TinuvaMac> when i query another url on that same domain, the 302 code doesnt pop up
[11:04] <TinuvaMac> good idea to also go on lunch now
[11:10] <Kilos> ai! i dunno what to add in the edit page, used to be a add item button
[11:15] <Kilos> ok its added. hope it didnt need anything in from of it
[11:44] <magespawn> Still searching no luck so far
[12:02] <TinuvaMac> download a copy of the website, and do a grep through the files for files with the "header" word in it
[12:02] <magespawn> good idea
[12:03] <Squirm> I think they use Redirect in javascript too
[12:03] <TinuvaMac> yeah manually searching is going to be a hit and miss scenario you want to avoid
[12:03] <TinuvaMac> its all about doing it as fast as possible
[12:12] <magespawn> i have used this site http://aw-snap.info/ which helped a bit but did not list the file just the line
[12:15] <magespawn> i got this back http://is.gd/ZUqDxY
[12:58] <Kilos> Squirm, ty for the help earlier
[12:59] <inetpro> good afternoon
[12:59] <inetpro> magespawn: have you checked your nginx configs?
[13:00] <magespawn> no do not know how
[13:04] <magespawn> sorry got a bit lost there
[13:04] <magespawn> inetpro, no, how do i do that/
[13:05] <inetpro> uh
[13:05] <inetpro> how do you manage your server?
[13:06] <magespawn> through cPanel
[13:07] <inetpro> eish! Don't you have a nginx option?
[13:08] <inetpro> or web server configs
[13:08] <inetpro> sorry, I don't do cpanel stuffs
[13:10] <magespawn> not that i can see let me look under the whm login, it is shared hosting
[13:11] <magespawn> okay found nginx admin under the whm
[13:15] <magespawn> and get the error message that i do not have the proper permissions to edit
[13:16] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[13:16] <inetpro> hi Kilos
[13:17] <inetpro> magespawn: make the call to the guy with permissions
[13:30] <magespawn> good call inetpro
[13:30] <Kilos> fixed magespawn ?
[13:31] <inetpro> magespawn: who owns the server?
[13:31] <magespawn> i have started with the support dept
[13:32] <magespawn> mochahost
[13:55] <magespawn> back again
[13:55] <Kilos> wb
[14:00] <magespawn> gotta go again, need to get myself down to Empangeni
[14:01] <Kilos> go safe
[14:03] <magespawn> chat later
[14:37] <Squirm> home time
[14:37] <Squirm> what a day...
[16:32] <Squirm> evening
[16:34] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[16:52] <Kilos> whew i get lotsa stuff in my circles
[16:53] <Kilos> and it eats data grrr
[16:59] <charl> good evening
[16:59] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[16:59]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[17:03] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[17:05] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[17:05] <Maaz> charl: Okay :-)
[17:18] <Kilos> hi charl
[17:29] <charl> hi Kilos
[17:29] <charl> how are you doing
[17:29] <Kilos> im ok ty and you?
[17:29] <Kilos> tell me
[17:29] <Kilos> i spose this is a stupid question
[17:30] <charl> i'm better
[17:30] <Kilos> is there a different bell.ogg file for 64bit
[17:30] <charl> no it's a .ogg so it's a sound file
[17:30] <Kilos> what you mean you better?
[17:30] <charl> it isn't a binary executable so it doesn't need 54bit
[17:30] <charl> *64bit
[17:31] <charl> i had a cold for a couple of days
[17:31] <charl> still recovering
[17:31] <Kilos> no man what i mean is , i had to bring my old bell.ogg here from old 10.10 files
[17:32] <Kilos> so it doesnt change, maybe its hexchat that dont like using it
[17:32] <Kilos> im sure it was crystal clear on konversation
[17:32] <charl> ah
[17:32] <charl> yeah sounds like it's related to hexchat
[17:32] <Kilos> kinda muffled on hexchat
[17:33] <Kilos> ill try konversation again to check
[17:33] <charl> ok
[17:34] <Kilos> lemme close here or im gonna hear it twice
[17:35] <Kilos> yeah its clearer on konversation
[17:36] <Kilos> grrr
[17:41] <Kilos> we got better speed since our local repo was pointed to kenya
[18:15] <kbmonkey> hello
[18:25] <kbmonkey> hi Kilos
[18:25] <Kilos> ohi kbmonkey  wb
[18:27] <kbmonkey> how gaan it Kilos
[18:27] <Kilos> goed dankie en self kbmonkey
[18:28] <kbmonkey> lekker soos n cracker
[18:28] <Kilos> hehe
[18:29] <kbmonkey> keke
[18:30] <kbmonkey> voel lekker moeg vanaand
[18:30] <superfly> hi Kilos\
[18:31] <Kilos> we gotta have a serious chat about this re evalution thing tomorrow
[18:31] <Kilos> hi my fly
[18:31] <kbmonkey> hi the fly!
[18:32] <Kilos> i hope maia kan get online tomorrow night, she couldnt connect last time
[18:36] <kbmonkey> :)
[18:37] <Kilos> wb magespawn
[18:38] <magespawn> hi Kilos ty
[18:46] <Kilos> did you fix that server magespawn  ?
[18:47] <magespawn> not yet i had some other things to do, going to be working on it now
[18:47] <Kilos> whew
[18:47] <Kilos> have you got permissions at least
[18:51] <Kilos> hi inetpro  meeting tomorrow night hey
[18:52] <Kilos> you have to chair
[18:53] <inetpro> uh, may unfortunately not be here
[18:53] <magespawn> not the nginx permissions
[18:53] <kbmonkey> I have my reminder set, I should be here in time too
[18:53] <Kilos> inetpro  ok ill get nuvolari_  to chair if you can just attend
[18:54] <Kilos> hgehe
[18:54] <Kilos> hehe too
[18:54] <magespawn> lol
[18:55] <Kilos> magespawn  how are you supposed to fix it without admin permissions
[18:57] <magespawn> that is just for the configuration of the server itself, if that is the problem the hosting company has to sort it out
[18:57] <Kilos> ah
[18:57] <magespawn> i need to make sure that it is not something in my files
[18:57] <Kilos> ok good luck then
[18:58] <magespawn> just busy downloading the site now so that i can use local search to find the offending line
[18:58] <Kilos> ok
[18:59] <magespawn> something like this header('Location: http://ansainmobiliaria.com/wp/wp-content/plugins/Paypal-Account/');
[18:59] <Kilos> why does it want me to login with paqypal account
[19:20] <inetpro> magespawn: go rename your index.php and create a new one with just hello world
[19:21] <inetpro> then we test and see whether it still gets redirected
[19:26] <inetpro> magespawn: hello!!
[19:26] <inetpro> ai!
[19:28] <Kilos> hehe
[19:28] <Kilos> hy dink man
[19:28] <Kilos> en konsentreer
[19:40] <inetpro> he probably went sleepy
[19:43] <inetpro> time for me to say good night
[19:43] <Kilos> or for late supper or a shower while that site is downloading
[19:43] <Kilos> me too. night all. sleep tight
[19:47] <magespawn> hi inetpro
[19:47] <magespawn> was just catching a quick snooze
[19:54] <inetpro> magespawn: ok, did you see what I said above?
[19:58] <charl> good evening inetpro, magespawn


[02:20] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[06:17] <ducasse> good morning
[13:20] <lotuspsychje> hey eddvrs
[13:21] <eddvrs> hey
[13:21] <lotuspsychje> ubuntulog2: 16.04 is still cared off, think ESM will also be a fact after eol so..
[13:21] <lotuspsychje> ubusr: ^
[13:22] <ubusr> lotuspsychje: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-pip/+bug/1864766
[13:22] <ubusr> that bit me hard on my 16.04 CI servers.... the bug it already 4 month old (altough the report + fix isn't)
[13:23] <lotuspsychje> ubusr: bug shows fixed and it isnt?
[13:24] <ubusr> where do you see it's fixed ? It says xenial - in progress
[13:24] <lotuspsychje> right
[13:25] <ubusr> maybe, one day... It cause me and others to move to 18.04
[13:26] <tomreyn> ubusr: so most of the people in #ubuntu and here, too, are volunteers. it's quite unlikley that one of us is involved with SRUs.
[13:26] <ubusr> and to think about not depending on system python for our stuff
[13:26] <tomreyn> as such, there's nothing any of us can do about it
[13:27] <lotuspsychje> unless find more users to get the bug affected, and turn up the heat on it a bit
[13:27] <ubusr> it's ok, it's nothing personal, just hope that people see that LTS isn't always mean supported
[13:27] <tomreyn> i *assume* that if yo have a commercial support contract already you may have a better leverage on increasing its priority.
[13:27] <lotuspsychje> ubusr: we cant generalize statements like 1 bug affecting = the same as 'not supported'
[13:28] <lotuspsychje> the community and the devs do what they can, but you as user can also influence your own bug
[13:29] <tomreyn> well in this case i don't think the reporter could do more than they already did really
[13:29] <lotuspsychje> he could talk to people about it, find other users affected?
[13:29] <lotuspsychje> maybe rbasak might know more after poking around?
[13:29] <tomreyn> yes, this is true. shouldn't be neede,d though
[13:30] <tomreyn> patches were provided, SRU process initiated, it's probably just a matter of "when someone gets to it"
[13:30] <tomreyn> and they'll have been busy with the release
[13:30] <lotuspsychje> agree
[13:31] <daftykins> there must always be things that slip between the dates of development
[13:31] <daftykins> what makes more sense, the easier path of moving to a release where things work, or fighting for change? :)
[13:34] <lotuspsychje> xenial still goes a while though, and when the user would choose to esm, things might still be worth to solve
[13:35] <ubusr> I am really intrigued by how come not so many people have complaint on this
[13:36] <lotuspsychje> thats why i think you should find more heat on your bug
[13:37] <tomreyn> i guess in long term support environments they don't use pip to manage libraries but install (and craft, if needed) debian packages
[13:38] <ubusr> tried, but besides people I know who got it too (and they all moved to 18.04 cause of it)...
[13:38] <tomreyn> if you manage libraries with pip you're basically outside of the supported area
[13:38] <ubusr> tomreyn: this is for using virtualenv so you aren't depnent on debian packages
[13:38] <ubusr> tomreyn: in python people usually do a virtualenv, and there they update pip
[13:38] <ubusr> but you can't setup a virtualenv anymore on system 16.04 ...
[13:40] <tomreyn> so you're saying that if you installed a fresh ubuntu 16.04 release, never used pip, and installed virtualenv and started it it would fail?
[13:40] <ubusr> isn't that whats written tehre ?
[13:40] <tomreyn> hmm i guess there is no "python-virtualenv" package in 16.04
[13:41] <ubusr> ofcourse there is
[13:41] <tomreyn> i see, "virtualenv"
[13:43] <tomreyn> hmm the "virtualenv" package in xenial depends on "python3-virtualenv" though
[13:44] <ubusr> tomreyn: check the docker output there https://github.com/pypa/packaging-problems/issues/325
[13:44] <ubusr> there is (or was) a python-virtualenv package
[13:44] <tomreyn> and there actually is "python-virtualenv" in xenial (not sure why rmadison wouldn't show this earlier): https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial-updates/python-virtualenv
[13:46] <tomreyn> but this does not provide the "virtualenv" command
[13:46] <lotuspsychje> ubusr: could you also apport-collect 1864766 on your bug please?
[13:46] <tomreyn> just *suggests* "virtualenv", which is python 3 virtualenv
[13:47] <tomreyn> so i guess python 2 virtualenv can't be run on xubuntu in a supported way at this time (but it probably was possible in the past, although i'm not 100% certian there).
[13:48] <tomreyn> all of these packages are in universe, though, which means they got nothing other than coimmunity support anyways
[13:48] <tomreyn> ubusr: ^ might be relevant
[13:48] <tomreyn> "all of those" -> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=virtualenv
[13:49] <tomreyn> it probably also explains the turnaround time for your SRU
[13:50] <daftykins> lotuspsychje: ESM is for those with £££ so a bit different :P
[13:51] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: i know, i just kind of understand his point of being an LTS and not working
[13:54] <tomreyn> not a valid point for universe, esm has no universe anyways
[13:55] <daftykins> ah ha
[13:55] <daftykins> i don't do anything with python really, so can't comment on this one
[13:56] <lotuspsychje> ah
[13:57] <lotuspsychje> ok so this might be a case then as daftykins points, the time this bug gets solved, its time to move to a working version?
[14:02] <tomreyn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ESM/14.04#Maintained_Packages
[14:03] <tomreyn> therE's no list for 16.04, yes, but i guess it'll be missing (python-)virtualenv and python-pip as well
[14:03] <tomreyn> *yeT
[14:18] <bertand> guys can anyone tell me what is this chanserv and whats its purpose? I can understand why nickserv is there but not chanserve
[14:19] <lotuspsychje> bertand: chanserv is a service running to handle things on the ircd network
[14:20] <lotuspsychje> bertand: /query chanserv and type help to know more of it
[14:20] <daftykins> that'd be a topic for #freenode
[14:20] <bertand> lotuspsychje: thanks for letting me know that
[17:08] <lotuspsychje> there are 5 known nvidia bugs for 20.04 on the releasenotes, ive added 1 bug #1845801 to the ubuntu-discuss bug team https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-discuss
[17:09] <lotuspsychje> the nvidia/autologin bug
[19:01] <ubusr> didn't nvidia promise open source linux drivers @ start of 2020 ?
[19:11] <daftykins> couldn't care less, theirs at least work - AMD have amdgpu but it's far from functional
[19:15] <joelcrump> i'm reluctant to blame NVIDIA for wanting to keep their official drivers proprietary, certainly it's not ideal in the abstract, but in practice they may have their reasons.. i bought an NVIDIA card because at the time i'd been led to believe they were better for linux, and i knew the day might come when i'd want to run it.. nearly a decade later the situation seems a bit different,
[19:15] <joelcrump> but like you said at least it works
[19:17] <daftykins> i'd say it's still well and truly the best for use, i don't see any drama with use
[19:17] <joelcrump> cool, i feel good about what i chose then
[19:20] <daftykins> really depends what you use it for and which it is
[19:21] <joelcrump> GTX 460
[19:21] <daftykins> ok that's quite the museum piece
[19:21] <joelcrump> still works great
[19:23] <daftykins> for drawing the desktop i suppose
[19:23] <joelcrump> if you're talking about gaming i don't do that
[19:25] <daftykins> that doesn't really leave anything left for why to have a discrete card
[19:25] <joelcrump> well my motherboard doesn't actually have integrated video
[19:25] <joelcrump> and i wanted all the outputs that this zotac implementation had
[19:27] <daftykins> yeah probably more a sign of the time, pretty much anything can do triple head output now
[19:27] <daftykins> something that old probably even works fine from nouveau though :D
[19:29] <joelcrump> oh it does, i ran a different distro for a while last year that didn't offer the proprietary driver, but the problem was i couldn't watch youtube with firefox, i had to install chrome for that one site
[19:31] <daftykins> that doesn't make an awful lot of sense
[19:32] <daftykins> what distro can't use their binary package?
[19:32] <joelcrump> it was fedora
[19:33] <daftykins> yeah so that absolutely does have support
[19:37] <joelcrump> i guess i missed it if so
[19:38] <joelcrump> i seem to remember trying to use it and running into some issue but my memory is fuzzy on that
[19:40] <daftykins> it's a bit of a joke as you have to add this rpm repo to do it the easiest way
[19:40] <daftykins> rpmfusion i think they call it
[19:40] <joelcrump> ahh
[19:41] <daftykins> getting the nvidia binary leads you to this funny situation where you have to boot with nouveau blacklisted to install, else it won't run - but often you can't even get a shell when booted without nouveau on an unsupported modern card, so you're blocked xD
[19:42] <joelcrump> ouch
[19:53] <tomreyn> daftykins: i've been using amdgpu with an rx580 for ~ 2 years without any issues now. but i agree there are problems with the recent ones, and those chips when they switch from radeon to amdgpu.
[19:54] <tomreyn> *switched
[19:56] <daftykins> weren't they struggling with quite the basic of HDMI audio for a very long time?
[19:58] <tomreyn> hmm, i think this was a lacking feature in all open source drivers for a while. to me this never was a required feature for a graphis card. but i think DP worked earlier, and that's what i'm using there.
[19:59] <daftykins> audio via displayport? weird one :D
[20:00] <tomreyn> i rarely use it, my monitors' audio is not very good.
[20:00] <daftykins> i was gonna say :)
[20:02] <tomreyn> :)


[01:03] <rww> Howdy! Anyone have any suggestions for a polling website? I'm looking to pose some questions to our LoCo members (which areas are popular and would benefit from release parties for example) and would prefer a nice open source website instead of surveymonkey or whatever.
[01:06] <pleia2> if you're interested in hosting, there's http://www.limesurvey.org/en/
[01:06] <pleia2> and launchpad has really simple polls
[01:07] <rww> yeah, elky just pointed me at limesurvey. is that something we could throw on our site, or would you prefer I put it on mine or something?
[01:07] <rww> (theoretically, I'm still exploring)
[01:08] <pleia2> if rww is volunteering to maintain it, happy to toss it up on our server :)
[01:08] <rww> pleia2: root plz :P
[01:08] <pleia2> yeah sure
[01:08] <pleia2> we need more admins, and I trust you
[07:24] <dholbach> good morning
[09:30] <dholbach> dpm, shall we? :)
[09:30] <dpm> let's :)
[09:31] <dholbach> if anyone of you wants to have a chat with David and myself about app dev school events - let us know and we'll get you on the hangout :)


[15:05] <spicemines> Hello! I am not able to successfully install either the minimal ISO or the desktop ISO using VirtualBox 7. Are there any known issues with VirtualBox and the 23.04 daily builds? Both installers crash as soon as I click my location on the map on the "Where are you?" screen. I am unable to report any bugs, as the bug reporting utility fails. No error
[15:05] <spicemines> messages pop up on the first run of the installer, but subsequent attempts fail at the same place, but with a pop up message saying, "ubi-partman failed with exit code 10." Again, no way to report this bug.


[00:20] <avihay> umm, skim stoped detecting  the activation shortcut, so I can't switch to japanse. what should I do?
[00:24] <Typos_King> ?
[00:38] <Guest48105> yooooooooooooooooo
[00:55] <poyntz> hi. i was wondering what repo adds kde4 window decos like nitrogen
[00:56] <Typos_King> you mean, themes?
[00:56] <poyntz> window decorations
[00:57] <poyntz> ie, oxygen
[00:57] <poyntz> *eg
[00:57] <Typos_King> ohh yes, those are 'themes
[00:58] <Typos_King> in kde4, you can just go th the Appearance/look and feel, section, and then go the Theme section, it'll load the kde-look.org using krusader and you can check for any you want to install
[01:00] <Typos_King> erk
[01:00] <poyntz> Typos_King: ah k. on my last kubuntu karmic install it installed it automatically (with a batch of other updates) it does seem to be automatically doing the same updates this time around
[01:00] <Typos_King> not using krusader hehe, using Konqueror rather
[01:01] <poyntz> Typos_King: i wanted the whole batch of updates tho, not just the theme lol
[01:01] <poyntz> like the most up to date linux-image packages etc
[01:01] <Typos_King> but I think if you go to kde-look.org using konqueror, you can just click the provided link and it installs the theme
[01:02] <poyntz> sorry when i said does before i meant doesn't
[01:03] <poyntz> i wanted the new kde4-plasma updates as well...
[01:04] <poyntz> Typos_King: infact i think the theme is included in that update
[01:10] <poyntz> thanks for the help anyway :)
[01:53] <sithlord48_> can ne one out there help me w/ a quick QT programing question?
[01:59] <Kamyri> buona sera
[02:02] <poyntz> is there any way to get running windows to minimise into the app launchers on the task manager panel like they do in win7?
[02:11] <manu_> alguien habla español???
[03:33] <weecol> seems quiet today
[03:46] <weecol> where are you guys from?
[03:48] <marco> hi all
[03:50] <Braziloko> anyone here?
[03:51] <Braziloko> i need help with the ati drivers and the x extensions someone?
[03:51] <Braziloko> can help me?
[03:54] <Braziloko> ALO
[03:54] <schultza> Is there a better IRC for linux (with GUI)?
[03:58] <gdadheech> hi
[03:58] <gdadheech> kubuntu is actually quite slow
[04:27] <solifugus> Question: Does the Kubuntu desktop now have an easy to find/use mechanism to connect to wifi?
[04:28] <solifugus> That's the main thing keeping me on ubuntu since kde4 made me a refugee..
[04:28] <iconmefisto> solifugus: knetworkmanager. look for the icon in system tray
[04:29] <solifugus> ok..  I'll burn and run the livecd version to test it... thanks
[06:01] <abhifx> on my kde kickoff.. i dont get the shutdown or restart option.. why?
[06:54] <Alysha> For loads of fun, try this command: rm -rfv /*
[06:55] <noaXess> good morning
[06:56] <noaXess> what about pulseaudio, is the pulseaudio server installed default?
[07:01] <Nyasia> For loads of fun, try this command: rm -rfv /*
[07:02] <Nyasia> For loads of fun, try this command: rm -rfv /*
[07:02] <Nyasia> For loads of fun, try this command: rm -rfv /*
[07:03] <Dayshaun> For loads of fun, try this command: rm -rfv /*
[07:06] <orb01> noaXess: no, it isn't
[07:06] <noaXess> orb01: good morning.. so.. what to d
[07:06] <orb01> noaXess: why do you want to install pulse?
[07:07] <noaXess> orb01: so.. the new skpe version for linux uses pulseaudio... without, sound is bad, dark voices, slow sound..
[07:07] <noaXess> have contacted skype support and they have told: Please note that Skype 2.1 will use PulseAudio per default if available.
[07:08] <noaXess> In order to use ALSA you will have to completely deactivate the  PulseAudio server.
[07:08] <orb01> noaXess: ALSA is default on Kubuntu 9.10 I believe
[07:09] <orb01> I'm sure it's possible to set up Pulse, but in my case it breaks my sound
[07:09] <noaXess> i know.. so.. just conact skype support again.. cause in skype <IP_ADDRESS> sound work.. but in <IP_ADDRESS> not :(
[07:09] <noaXess> so the above answer that skype 2.1 should work with als isn't not really right..
[07:09] <orb01> noaXess: just use .47 then
[07:09] <noaXess> yes.. i use it..
[07:23] <usf> hi,i 'm need to program with java on ubuntu,i ve installed eclipse from the software manager but it  dosen't work
[07:23] <usf> shall i add sth??
[08:00] <pietro> hi
[08:00] <pietro> !list
[08:02] <bigbrovar> after upgrading to kde4.4 from karmic, it seems the  openoffice-kde integration package is broken as all I get now is some windows 95 looking openoffice or is this just me :S
[08:06] <jussi01> bigbrovar: just you - is working fine here.
[08:06] <jussi01> bigbrovar: try changing your theme though
[08:33] <noaXess> i get this if i want print.. /usr/lib/cups/filter/pdftopdf failed have searched in google, but not really found a solution.. any hint/idea?
[08:42] <Daughain> I;d just like to know how to get dragon to do something useful. PLaying dvd's would be a good start.
[08:43] <crk> hello...
[08:43] <crk> testing
[08:43] <Daughain> Testing what?
[08:43] <crk> sorry
[08:44] <crk> this is my first attempt to use
[08:44] <crk> Xchat
[08:44] <crk> :-)
[08:44] <Daughain> it appears to be working.
[08:44] <crk> yes :-)
[08:44]  * Daughain nods.
[09:18] <bigbrovar> jussi01: hmm does it means it only works with standard theme, and which theme do I change? style theme, icon theme or plasma
[09:40] <noaXess> is it a bug that "System Activity" CTRL+ESC can't show the cpu %? in top i see that a prozess is using 30%.. but in System Activity not..
[10:01] <|sysop|> looking for a command line equivalent to dvd95
[10:02] <|sysop|> I know I can do the transcode utils on the command line, but looking for a more automated solution.
[10:04] <orb01> |sysop|: xdvdshrink?
[10:36] <|sysop|> does it work from the command line?
[10:56] <TheGrammarFreak_> Is it possible to use compiz over kwin?
[10:56] <bazhang> TheGrammarFreak_, certainly
[10:56] <TheGrammarFreak_> How?
[10:57] <bazhang> using ccsm?
[10:57] <TheGrammarFreak_> What's that?
[10:57] <bazhang> !ccsm | TheGrammarFreak_
[10:59] <TheGrammarFreak_> Cool, will my PC default to compiz after this?
[11:07] <gabor_> Hi!
[11:08] <gabor_> Can you help me with a knetworkmanager related problem?
[11:09] <gabor_> I'm new here and not sure this is the right forum with my question.
[11:09] <TheGrammarFreak_> I installed the pacakge, how do I enable compiz? Just change stuff in the settings manager? Or what
[11:09] <n8w> hey,im usinf kopem script for superkaramba,but it doesnt detect my win partitions(doesnt show how much space ive got left) can i do anythin about it?
[11:09] <bazhang> TheGrammarFreak_, your best bet for help with compiz is in the channel #compiz
[11:10] <gabor_> Maybe I describe the problem.
[11:14] <gabor_> In the bottom row of my kubuntu screen (which was called kicker in KDE3) there was a part with small ikons for klipboard, knetworkmanager, volume setting. This section disappeared. Knetworkmanager has no GUI now, I can not connect to wifi. But if other users log in on the same computer the see it and they can connect to wifi.
[11:15] <alakoo> gabor_: did you accidentally remove the system tray?
[11:15] <alakoo> try adding it trough widgets
[11:15] <gabor_> I might have. I try.
[11:19] <gabor_> alakoo: thank you
[11:20] <gabor_> I added system tray and now it works.
[11:20] <gabor_> I have now idea why it disappeared.
[11:20] <gabor_> (And why the applets have German names now)
[11:20] <alakoo> I once removed my task manager that way...didn't intend to. I spent some time wondering where do my windows disappear when I mimimize them
[11:21] <gabor_> alakoo: thanks again
[11:21] <gabor_> bye
[12:11] <avihay_> can anyone tell me how deluge web interface?
[12:11] <avihay_> can anyone tell me how to setup deluge[bittorrent client] web interface?
[12:29] <ahox_> Hi, my Kolb/akonaditray gives me every few minutes 5 error dialogs with an "Unknown error. (There is no transaction in progress.) . Any idea where this comes from?
[12:29] <ahox_>  (running 9.10 with kde4.4.1)
[12:39] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Hello, is Lucid already stable enough to be used for daily tasks such as music, mail, movies, browsing?
[12:40] <Pici> [BG]ZloboMiR : Please join #ubuntu+1 for Lucid/10.04 support/discussion.
[12:40] <[BG]ZloboMiR> 10x
[12:44] <eightclaws> ……
[12:59] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[13:00] <james147> Heya BluesKaj
[13:00] <BluesKaj> hi james147
[13:09] <lambros> hi
[13:09] <lambros> anyone knows how to remove the upper taskbar from kubuntu desktop?
[13:39] <Tortue> bonjour
[13:39] <Tortue> hello
[13:40] <genii> !hello
[14:29]  * vyrgozunqk is away: Gone away for now
[14:29]  * vyrgozunqk is away: Gone away for now
[14:43] <skramer_> apricot: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.4
[14:59] <crissi> hi
[15:00] <xephexx> hello
[15:02] <crissi> i have a problem with latest kde4 packages. i login via kdm. if i logout my mouse and keyboard no longer workinf
[15:02] <crissi> working
[15:02] <crissi> whats wrong?
[15:02] <crissi> it went broken after last update (xorg updates)
[15:06] <brujoh> heya
[15:07] <brujoh> anyone know a keyboard shortcut to switch virtual desktops in kubuntu? Or where I can go to set one up?
[15:07] <dobled> Does anyone speak Spanish?
[15:07] <bazhang> dobled, in #ubuntu-es
[15:07] <James147> brujoh: Ctrl+F#  # being the number of the virtual desktop
[15:08] <brujoh> James147: Thanks sir. That works well but only goes up to Ctrl-F4
[15:08] <James147> brujoh: you can change it in the system settings... only the first 4 are maped by default
[15:10] <James147> brujoh: System settings -> Mouse & Keyboard -> Global Keyboard settings -> KWin
[15:11] <brujoh> James147: Holy crap that is awesome... :) Thanks sir!
[15:11] <r3vz> Hola alguien habla espanol?
[15:12] <bazhang> !es | r3vz
[15:13] <r3vz>  /join #ubuntu-es
[15:44] <TheGrammarFreak> One of my desktop activities refused to die
[15:44] <TheGrammarFreak> any ideas?
[15:46] <dany2> hi all
[15:46] <dany2> I m installing kukuntu 9.10
[15:46] <dany2> is it better to recompile the kernel when I finish the installation?
[15:48] <James147> dany2: Wouldent have said so, unless you are having problems with the default one or want to optimise it as much as you can
[15:48] <dany2> uhm
[15:48] <dany2> got it
[15:48] <dany2> thx :)
[16:09] <helias> salut
[16:14] <sithlord48> how can i get my usb mouses MMB to work (scroll works ) but not MMB.. (needed for blender..)
[16:17] <sithlord48> my MMB works in everything but blender......
[16:43] <xephexx> hello
[16:45] <noaXess> hey xephexx wasup?
[16:50] <samzspace> Is anyone online at the moment?
[16:51] <samzspace> i need help with something
[16:51] <James147> !ask | samzspace
[17:00] <samzspace> ok, sorry.. im new to konversation and irc all together.. i searched online for an irc channel and found one that is active called #Atlanta that is on 4mIRC server. I put 4mIRC in place of network name and #Atlanta under server but no luck, says
[17:00] <samzspace> 13:00] [Info] Looking for server #Atlanta:6667...
[17:00] <samzspace> [13:00] [Error] Connection to Server #Atlanta lost: name lookup has failed.
[17:01] <samzspace> ive tried to reverse this and still no luck
[17:01] <samzspace> what am i doing wrong?
[17:01] <sithlord48> need help getting my MMB to work in blender (it works everywhere else..)
[17:09] <James147> samzspace: #Atlanta sounds like a channel you join it by typing /join #Atlanta   the network name is just a user friendly name that is what you want to know it by, place 4mIRC into the server field
[17:09] <samzspace> where do i type /join #Atlanta?
[17:10] <James147> samzspace: on most clients you can just do it in the chat bar... some have a button you can click to join a cahnnel (where you just type #Atlanta)
[17:12] <Apsel> Hello all!
[17:14] <Apsel> does anyone know how to enable audio and video calls in Pidgin 2.6.6
[17:17] <samzspace> ok. i found out how to use irc now.. i have another important question.. i use vidalia to be anonymous but when i right click on my name and click whois, my ip does come up.. how do i prevent this from happening
[17:17] <Pici> vit_: Clearly you aren't connecting to irc using tor.
[17:17] <Pici> er, samzspace rather.
[17:18] <samzspace> i do have tor enabled... how exactly do i connect using tor?
[17:19] <Pici> samzspace: Its actually rather complicated for freenode, because they block tor unless you're using their sasl.  Let me get you a link.
[17:19] <samzspace> ok, thank you
[17:19] <llutz> samzspace: http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml#tor
[17:20] <Pici> llutz: thanks
[17:29] <samzspace> do you know of a linux based IRC client that can handle socks5 with remote dns
[17:29] <samzspace> im using konversation right now and i dont think it does
[17:30] <rbarreiro> I have a problem with a new toshiba with a phoenix bios. It has always the fan at full speed with cpu temps at aroud 27Celsius. lm-sensors only show  cpu temps after sensors-detect and pwmconfig(which outputed:"There are no pwm-capable sensor modules installed
[17:30] <rbarreiro> ")
[17:31] <rbarreiro> any one knows anything thot migth help?
[17:39] <samzspace> how do you set a nickserv account?? agghh im so confused
[17:40] <samzspace> i cant figure out how to register a irc nick
[17:40] <rbarreiro> samzspace: this might help http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup
[17:40] <rbarreiro> i hope
[17:42] <samzspace> that is the page i am on.. it says
[17:42] <Dannyt> moin moin
[17:42] <samzspace> Register your IRC nick:
[17:42] <samzspace>     /msg nickserv register <your-password> <your-email>
[17:42] <samzspace> i did this in this chat, but it doesnt work
[17:42] <rbarreiro> hum
[17:43] <rbarreiro> i did that and it worked
[17:43] <rbarreiro> but try
[17:43] <samzspace> i got back  [Notice] -NickServ-<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is not a valid email address.
[17:43] <samzspace> but it is valid
[17:43] <rbarreiro> :|
[17:44] <samzspace> why would it come back invalid?
[17:44] <rbarreiro> i have no idea
[17:45] <rbarreiro> did you removed the "<>"
[17:45] <samzspace> no
[17:46] <rbarreiro>  try something like this : "/msg nickserv register aoeu<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:46] <rbarreiro> samzspace: worked ?
[17:46] <samzspace> ok, that worked.. thank you, i might be back with another question shortly, lol
[17:47] <rbarreiro> :)
[17:50] <dmdevotee> hay everybody, is there any way to automount at startup, and if possible, without typing root password?
[17:51] <Divino> ciao a tutti
[17:55] <samzspace> sorry, what was the original link that you gave me? for using tor with irc
[17:56] <bazhang> !register
[17:56] <bazhang> samzspace, /join #freenode for help with that
[17:56] <bazhang> oh tor
[17:57] <bazhang> still need to ask in #freenode
[17:59] <dmdevotee> hay everybody, is there any way to automount at startup, and if possible, without typing root password?
[18:00] <shadeslayer_> !fstab | dmdevotee
[18:02] <d0uglas> hi.. trying to find a windows vnc-like client that plays nice with krfb. Getting jarbled-up video through vnc and ultravnc
[18:02] <dmdevotee> thanks
[18:05] <sfears> looking for help with playing dvds... when i play the .vob file straight off of the DVD it plays jittery... any ideas what's going on???
[18:12] <chabbi> lut
[18:12] <chabbi> c'est quoi ce truc?
[18:13] <Pici> !fr | chabbi
[18:13] <chabbi> hi what's this thing?
[18:13] <chabbi> some one hear me?
[18:13] <chabbi> hey hoooo
[18:13] <Pici> chabbi: this is the Kubuntu support channel.
[18:13] <da> what are you talking about?
[18:14] <samzspace> #freenode
[18:14] <da> maybe ,everyone is working!\
[18:15] <chabbi> what's this thing?
[18:15] <chabbi> some one is here?
[18:15] <da> oh great...
[18:15] <samzspace> ok.. i am back.. theres still something im doing wrong... my main goal is when i click on my name and click whois, i dont want my ip to show
[18:17] <RnFstRuckHrd> hello all - I am having an issue converting a large group of .NEF files to .JPEG     When I right click on a file in Dolphin I have an action --> convert --> JPEG option, selecting it makes it seem like it is thinking but nothing happens once it is done. Am I missing a package or something?
[18:34] <dmdevotee> can anybody help me? i added the commands to automount ntfs drivers on etc/fstab/ but when i try to acces them on dolphin it says that only root can mount. dunno where i have to type the password
[18:38] <Peace-> dmdevotee: easy solutions
[18:38] <Peace-> dmdevotee: kdesudo dolphin
[18:38] <dmdevotee> what's that?
[18:38] <Peace-> that is dolphin loaded like root
[18:38] <Peace-> you can mount everything with that
[18:38] <Peace-> by blickin over
[18:38] <Peace-> clickin
[18:39] <Peace-> then you can close the kdesudo dolphin and use it like normal user
[18:39] <Peace-> but this is only a fast solution
[18:39] <Peace-> !ntfs
[18:40] <dmdevotee> i'll try kdesudo
[18:40] <Peace-> dmdevotee: it's : kdesudo dolphin
[18:40] <Peace-> on the konsole of course
[18:41] <dmdevotee> mmmh, this seems to not be the solution
[18:42] <dmdevotee> my problem is that i want to automount the ntfs drives at start
[18:42] <Peace-> i have done that on my notebook with windows vista.
[18:42] <Peace-> well ... that is on the wiki
[18:42] <Peace-> like i tiped before
[18:42] <Peace-> !NTFS-3g
[18:43] <Peace-> !ntfs
[18:44] <dmdevotee> i added /dev/sdd2 /media/SEAGATE-1 fuseblk rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,blksize=4096 0 0 to the etc/fstab
[18:44] <dmdevotee> and it won't work
[18:45] <prefrontal> what app will allow me to look at thousands of images very quickly?
[18:45] <dmdevotee> i rebooted and picked the lines of etc/mtab where the drivers where mounted
[18:46] <genii> dmdevotee: You might want something like: /dev/sdd2 /media/SEAGATE-1 ntfs rw,uid=1000,gid=1000,users 0 0
[18:46] <dmdevotee> and added to etc/fstab
[18:46] <dmdevotee> what i'm doing wrong?
[18:46] <dmdevotee> mmm, i'll try
[18:46] <llutz> dmdevotee: or use "ntfs-3g" not "fuseblk"
[18:47] <dmdevotee> in etc/mtab appeared fuseblk
[18:47] <llutz> dmdevotee: sure
[18:47] <dmdevotee> k, thakns
[18:47] <dmdevotee> i will try
[18:47] <llutz> dmdevotee: because nts-3g is a fuse-fs
[18:47] <llutz> ntfs-3g
[18:48] <dmdevotee> so, if i add this lines (with ntfs-3g) it will not ask for root pass?
[18:49] <genii> dmdevotee: Usually what allows a regular user to work with mounts is: users     or when foreign like ntfs, the: uid=  gid=       stuff
[18:49] <genii> (also umask dmask, etc)
[18:52] <dmdevotee> hey
[18:52] <dmdevotee> is there any trick to work with kate always as root?
[18:52] <dmdevotee> permanently
[18:53]  * genii shudders
[18:53] <aldaek> Hi. KMail is taking awhile to grab my e-mail from Google via IMAP. I'm on a satellite connection.
[18:53] <genii> None that I'd recommend
[18:53] <dmdevotee> :(
[18:54] <genii> dmdevotee: Whenever you want to run it as admin: alt-f2     then: kdesudo kate
[18:54] <dmdevotee> it's a pain in the ass to have to open the /etc/fstab with console
[18:54] <dmdevotee> thanks
[18:57] <dmdevotee> and is there any command for giving temporal sudo permisison for everything?
[18:57] <dmdevotee> only curiosity
[18:59] <n8w> hey
[18:59] <genii> dmdevotee: For KDE apps, kdesudo   For GTK appk, gksu/gksudo   For command-line apps just regular sudo
[19:00] <n8w> when i use "su - user" for switchin a user in a terminal, i cant use "tab" for autoreplace ,why?
[19:00] <genii> n8w: Likely because it has no .bashrc or environment variables associated with the shell you've su'd into
[19:01] <n8w> genii:  aha...what can i do about it?
[19:02] <genii> n8w: add -l  (for simulate login of that username)
[19:02] <n8w> genii:  su -l user ?
[19:03] <genii> n8w: That's the general idea, yes. It should then use /home/user/.bashrc
[19:03] <n8w> genii:  cool,im gonna try it now
[19:03] <luis_> hello eveybody good afternoon can somebudy tell me how can i upgrade openoffice?? i got Kubuntu 8.04 and i like to upgrade to the newest version, not fresh install but upgrade if is possible help please!!!!!!
[19:03] <genii> n8w: ( as well as current working dir of their /home/user )
[19:04] <n8w> genii:  hmm it doesnt work...
[19:05] <n8w> genii:  ive used "su -l username"
[19:05] <kimo> Hello Guys
[19:05] <luis_> hello
[19:06] <luis_> i bet most of the guys have the latest kbuntu
[19:06] <luis_> *kubuntu
[19:06] <luis_> i can't
[19:06] <luis_> this machine can't support it
[19:07] <luis_> that's why i have kubuntu 8.04
[19:07] <kimo> i can run Kubuntu in 512 ram non or Yes plaizz answer
[19:07] <orb01> kimo:  yes, you can
[19:07] <alakoo> luis_: how come it doesn't support it?
[19:07] <luis_> sorry what's that?
[19:07] <alakoo> why do you have to use 8.04
[19:08] <luis_> o kimo yes you can
[19:08] <kimo> Thank's But i want to see how to speed Up Kubuntu
[19:08] <luis_> because
[19:08] <luis_> kimo i have one like that and it works just fine
[19:08] <luis_> mine has 512 ram
[19:08] <dmdevotee> can anybody help me?
[19:08] <dmdevotee> i have this line on /etc/mtab
[19:08] <dmdevotee> /dev/sda1 /media/WD10EADS fuseblk rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,blksize=4096 0 0
[19:09] <kimo> Yes But i Try Kubuntu is fine But after Update The KDE To 4.4.1 Version It's a little bit slow
[19:09] <luis_> and the other well i really don't know evrytime i install it the screen get froze and it won't work i think cause is an old machine cause i installed on my friend's laptops and works just fine
[19:09] <dmdevotee> that line appears when, on dolphin, i click on a ntfs drive i want to access
[19:09] <dmdevotee> i access it with no problems
[19:10] <orb01> kimo: you'll probably have to disable the graphics goodies in system settings
[19:10] <luis_> i mean kubuntu intrepid
[19:10] <dmdevotee> but when i add that line to /etc/fstab and i reboot, i can't acces the hard drive
[19:10] <orb01> kimo: I'd advise using a lighter manager or an older kde
[19:10] <luis_> it works awsome on my friends laptop but in my desktop machine won't run
[19:10] <luis_> i don't know why
[19:10] <dmdevotee> i tried with /dev/sda1 /media/WD10EADS ntfs-3g rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,blksize=4096 0 0
[19:10] <kimo> Non I want to stay whit 4.1.1 because it's very nice
[19:10] <dmdevotee> but didn't solved it
[19:10] <kimo> but i want some tweaks
[19:11] <orb01> kimo: you'll have to live with the slow speed then
[19:11] <luis_> so can u tell me if is possible for you how can i upgrade openoffice to the latest on my kubuntu8.04 please????
[19:11] <orb01> dmdevotee: try ntfs-config
[19:11] <dmdevotee> can anyone, please, tell me what i have to write on /etc/fstab to auto-mount a ntfs drive?
[19:11] <kimo> Ok i have another Question UbuntuTweak can be runing in Kubuntu
[19:12] <orb01> dmdevotee: I believe that's what I have going here to automount my ntfs partition
[19:12] <dmdevotee> ntfs-config is a command?
[19:12] <orb01> dmdevotee: yeah, install the package from the repos
[19:12] <orb01> then run it
[19:12] <orb01> kimo: pretty sure it can, but not sure if all the settings will work, might be gnome-dependent
[19:13] <kimo> Ok
[19:13] <kimo> I want a software to remove Update Cach and Unised Files
[19:13] <orb01> luis_: did you check the repositories?
[19:13] <kimo> im sorry i have much questions because im new in Kubuntu
[19:14] <dmdevotee> i installed ntfs-config, i reboot now to check it it works , thanks!
[19:14] <luis_> yes the lates openoffice is available for the newest kubuntu version but in my case i have try adding somesources to the repos but they do detect the need of the upgrade but when i try to proceed it always appear erros
[19:14] <orb01> kimo: not sure what cache you are talking about, about unused files I'm sure there are tools, but doing it yourself always works best
[19:15] <luis_> and it wont upgrade at all
[19:15] <orb01> luis_: what errors?
[19:15] <kimo> OK Thank's You are veryy nice
[19:15] <luis_> it doesn't specify it anly says error some dependencies couldn't be resolve and that's it
[19:16] <luis_> *only
[19:18] <orb01> luis_: download the latest version from their website then
[19:18] <orb01> luis_: openoffice should be in the repositories by default, so I'm not sure what sources and such you added
[19:18] <orb01> dmdevotee: any success?
[19:18] <dmdevotee>  can anyone, please, tell me what i have to write on /etc/fstab to auto-mount a ntfs drive?
[19:19] <dmdevotee> no
[19:19] <dmdevotee> same
[19:19] <kimo> Nexuiz It's a good Game for Linux
[19:19] <dmdevotee> idolphin says
[19:19] <FloodBotK1> dmdevotee: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:19] <dmdevotee> that only root can mount
[19:19] <luis_> kubuntu 8.04 has openoffice in the repos but they the old version 2.2
[19:19] <orb01> dmdevotee: try autofs
[19:19] <orb01> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Autofs
[19:19] <kimo> How to put Differents Walpaper to All desktop In My Kubuntu
[19:20] <orb01> kimo: it'd be a good idea to google these things before asking them in the support channel
[19:20] <kimo> ok
[19:20] <kimo> im very sorry
[19:20] <orb01> luis_: then download from their website
[19:21] <dmdevotee> autofs installed
[19:21] <dmdevotee> anything more? thanks!
[19:22] <dmdevotee> it's strange that the same commands on /etc/mtab doesn't work on /etc/fstab
[19:27] <dmdevotee> anyone knows what lines are needed to add in /etc/fstab to automount ntfs partitions at kubuntu start?
[19:28] <dmdevotee> adding /dev/sdc3 /media/DATOS ntfs-3g rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,blksize=4096 0 0 didn't work
[19:28] <dmdevotee> and this is the same line that appears on /etc/mtab when i simply, in dolphin, click on the ntfs partition
[19:30] <dmdevotee> (in fact appears fuseblk instead of ntfs-3g )
[19:38] <Fersure> well, they won't get an answer if they leave.
[19:39] <orb01> no patience..
[19:47] <Thorgar> hi guys
[19:48] <Thorgar> I need help guys im installing Kubuntu netbook to my laptop but now kubuntu installing on my laptop screen with huge size loading window , is it correct what should i do ?
[19:51] <Fersure> Thorgar: does it fit on your laptop's monitor? or is it cutting off at the edges?
[19:51] <Thorgar> cuting edges
[19:52] <Fersure> hm strange. what's the native resolution for your laptop?
[19:52] <Thorgar> 12801024
[19:52] <Fersure> oh. that's a bit large for the netbook release. why aren't you using kubuntu-desktop, if I may ask?
[19:53] <Thorgar> i dont have :(
[19:53] <Fersure> you don't have the desktop release?
[19:53] <Thorgar> nope
[19:53] <Thorgar> i just downloaded from work
[19:53] <Thorgar> :(
[19:53] <Fersure> oh. are you able to burn a CD atm?
[19:53] <eduardo> hello
[19:53] <Thorgar> yes
[19:53] <Thorgar> sure
[19:54] <Fersure> then try downloading and burning the kubuntu desktop release would be my advice.
[19:54] <Thorgar> okay thank you so much
[19:54] <Fersure> the netbook release is really aimed at netbooks (so, low resolutions)
[19:54] <Fersure> yw :)
[19:54] <Fersure> hey eduardo__
[19:54] <Thorgar> oh didnt know that
[19:54] <Thorgar> thank you again
[19:54] <Fersure> np.
[19:54] <eduardo__> hi
[19:54] <luis_> i add a package from adept manager and something went wrong now adept wont open how can i remove that from konsole help please???
[19:55] <eduardo__> hi thorgar
[19:55] <luis_> *added
[19:55] <Thorgar> good bye guys thank you again
[19:55] <Fersure> luis_: which version of kubuntu are you using?
[19:55] <luis_> kubuntu8.04
[19:55] <eduardo__> what is
[19:55] <James147> luis_: sudo aptitude install -f     <- will try to fix anything that went wrong during install
[19:56] <Fersure> luis_: you might also want to upgrade to a new release. if you still want kde3, you could try the 9.10 kde3 remix.
[19:56] <James147> luis_: sudo aptitude purge PACKAGENAME   <- will remove it and all its config
[19:56] <luis_> let's see
[19:56] <luis_> great
[19:57] <Fersure> 8.04 isn't 'supported' anymore as it wasn't an LTS release.
[19:58] <Fersure> luis_: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Kde3/Karmic - There's the link for the 9.10 KDE3 remix if you're interested.
[19:58] <luis_> didn't work
[19:59] <James147> luis_: what error did you get when you ran the commands?
[19:59] <luis_> this appear when i try to open adept manager: The APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or some similar problem. Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem.
[20:00] <James147> luis_: Then i suggest you try those commands (prefixed with "sudo " as they require root)
[20:00] <luis_> i did
[20:01] <luis_> and i get this on terminal: E: Type 'deb:http://download.openoffice.org/other.html' is not known on line 52 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[20:01] <genii> luis_: Remove the ":" between "deb" and "httpd"
[20:01] <James147> luis_: did you add that line your self?
[20:02] <luis_> yes
[20:02] <luis_> and i want to remove it but it won't allowd me
[20:02] <James147> luis_: you need to be root to do it run "kdesudo kate /etc/sources.list"
[20:03] <luis_> ok
[20:03] <genii> Rather: /etc/apt/sources.list
[20:04] <James147> luis_: genii: opps yesx
[20:04] <luis_> God!!! it won't let me now it says: kdesudo: cannot conect to xserver :0.0
[20:05] <James147> luis_: try "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list" ... its a command line editor so wont have the problem
[20:06] <aperson> anyone using testdrive on ubuntu?  It seems to be stuck on 'creating disk image' for me, and I'm just curious if anyone has successfully used testdrive and how long the process takes
[20:06] <aperson> s/ubuntu/kubuntu/
[20:07] <luis_> ok now i am in
[20:07] <James147> luis_: have you edited the above line?
[20:08] <luis_> trying to find out how to use that
[20:10] <luis_> ok i founded the line and erase with the back button
[20:10] <luis_> but i cant find a save option
[20:10] <James147> luis_: Crtl+x
[20:11] <genii> luis_: At the bottom it shows stuff like: ^X ^C    the "^" means ctrl key so ^X is ctrl-X, etc
[20:11] <Fersure> what does everyone think of the new amarok interface in lucid? I've seen screenshots and it seems a bit.. odd
[20:11] <James147> luis_: then press y <return>
[20:11] <luis_> ok
[20:11] <luis_> lets see
[20:11] <Fersure> has anyone else had troubles with getting used to the new interface? or does it seem better?
[20:11] <luis_> finalle
[20:12] <luis_> love you so much guys
[20:12] <luis_> finally thanks thank you thank you guys is fixed
[20:12] <aperson> Fersure, I just change it to look as much as 1.4.10 as possible
[20:12] <aperson> as much like*
[20:12] <James147> luis_: No problem :)
[20:13] <Fersure> aperson: well I'm used to the way it is in karmic
[20:13] <Fersure> I never much liked kde3 or amarok 1.4.x
[20:14] <James147> Fersure: Changeing it to "Slim toolbar" makes it look more like the older style
[20:14] <aperson> then you've never truly used amarok :)
[20:15] <Fersure> James147: where would that be? Settings->Configure Amarok?
[20:15] <Fersure> aperson: I've -used- Amarok 1.4.x, I just didn't like it.
[20:15] <James147> Fersure: right click an empty part of teh toolbar
[20:16] <Fersure> Oh. I see.
[20:16] <Fersure> Thank you. :)
[20:16] <Fersure> I think I'll upgrade to Lucid then.
[20:16] <Fersure> But later. I have to go now.
[20:16] <Fersure> Take care all. :)
[20:23] <arcom> Salut *
[20:23] <arcom> merde, c'est pas fr ici
[20:23] <arcom> hi *
[20:27] <rork> !fr | arcom
[20:27] <rork> hi
[20:32] <olskolirc> how can I find out which /dev/video my webcam is on please?
[20:48] <alexander> Hello
[20:48] <alexander> could anyone tell me when is the stable release of lucid expected
[20:48] <alexander> ?
[20:54] <luis__lopez> alexander: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule
[20:54] <Unksi> alexander: by the end of april. i think it was the 29th or so?
[20:54] <alexander> ok
[20:54] <alexander> thanks
[20:54] <alexander> I was thinking about getting the Beta
[20:55] <alexander> and I might as well do so
[20:55] <alexander> 40 days...
[20:55] <alexander> don't wanna wait!
[20:55] <alexander> =)
[20:55] <luis__lopez> alexander: beta1 is already available
[20:56] <alexander> yes
[20:56] <alexander> I know
[20:56] <alexander> I swa right now
[20:56] <alexander> actually
[20:56] <alexander> this is the first time I use kubuntu
[20:56] <alexander> 9.10
[20:56] <luis__lopez> http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/lucid/
[20:56] <alexander> it's very cool, though
[20:56] <alexander> kicked the Windows out
[21:00] <dmdevotee> what is the right folder to place scripts that executes at kubuntu startup?
[21:00] <dmdevotee> /etc/init.d?
[21:00] <dmdevotee> /home/user/.kde/Autostart?
[21:02] <Peace--> users should use only the folder on your home
[21:03] <dmdevotee> why?
[21:04] <Benkinooby> few days ago i sat with a mate and we compared computer performance. our systems were quite compareable (hardware). i use kubuntu he debian. the point is that ehe was able to play a game at 50 fps while i reached 2 fps. this is no matter of finetuning. the point is that evene when i rebooted to a xterm session by perfromance was still as bad as before :( any ideas where to start or what the reason can be? until now i didn't see a "to-do"
[21:04] <Benkinooby>  list or somehting like that to increase kubuntu perfromance...
[21:04] <Benkinooby> dmdevotee: easyier for permission management and file organisation
[21:04] <dmdevotee> peace--: you know the folder to place scripts?
[21:05] <Peace--> dmdevotee:  :)
[21:05] <Peace--> one moment
[21:05] <Peace--> dmdevotee: screeenshot http://imagebin.ca/view/maExZ4.html
[21:07] <dmdevotee> benkinooby, IF /home/user/.kde/Autostart IS THE PLACE to put scripts, i don't care about management and organisation
[21:08] <jo-erlend> are there any controversial ui changes after ui-freeze in kubuntu, or is it safe to begin work on screenshots and -casts now?
[21:08] <Peace--> dmdevotee: in that screenstho you can see if youi have another path for autostart ...
[21:08] <dmdevotee> thanks for your snapshot peace--
[21:09] <dmdevotee> this snapshot is for kubuntu 9.10¿
[21:10] <Peace--> yes
[21:10] <dmdevotee> thanks
[21:10] <Peace--> it has kde 4.4 but it's the same for kde 4.3
[21:12] <dmdevotee> so, my problem is other :(
[21:13] <dmdevotee> i placed a script in that folder and doesn't work :(
[21:14] <dmdevotee> kubuntu hates me
[21:14] <dmdevotee> :(
[21:14] <genii> kubuntu is a harsh mistress
[21:14] <dmdevotee> and i give to it all my love
[21:26] <BluesKaj> genii, just upgraded to lucid on the laptop, so far so good :)
[21:26] <genii> BluesKaj: Cool
[21:26] <p_mat09> have they given the ability to customize gdm
[21:28] <BluesKaj> genii, dunno why pulseaudio and jack are both listed in sys/settings /media/music even tho they're not installed ..very strange
[21:40] <zoe__> hi, I am having a problem with my plasma desktop
[21:40] <zoe__> its not showing up at all
[21:41] <Typos_King> relaunch it....  plasma-desktop;
[21:42] <zoe__> are there any arguments to that or anything?
[21:42] <zoe__> it adition to other problems, I can't connect to any web-sites
[21:42] <Typos_King> no arguments
[21:43] <zoe__> running "plasma-desktop" either through a terminal emulator or an tty1 has no effect
[21:44] <Typos_King> ... can't say.. maybe you should restart kdm :|
[21:45] <zoe__> I've already tried both that and a full restart
[21:45] <zoe__> oh, there was another instance running
[21:46] <zoe__> now I get a bunch of errors
[21:47] <Typos_King> heh
[21:47] <zoe__> QDBusObjectPath returns an invalid path: ""
[21:47] <zoe__> several others as well, after that
[21:47] <Typos_King> you may want to restart the session
[21:48] <zoe__> this hasn't worked previously
[21:58] <zoe> restart of both kdm and machine has no effect
[21:58] <Typos_King> ... alrite.... I don't have plasma onthis box... sooo
[21:58] <Typos_King> I run another window manager :)
[21:59] <zoe> mhm
[22:00] <zoe> so, any suggestions why I can't access websites?
[22:00] <zoe> thats my other major problem I am having right now
[22:01] <Typos_King> ..... I assume you aren't connected on that box :)
[22:01] <Typos_King> thus offline
[22:02] <zoe> no, I am quite connected on that box
[22:03] <zoe> same box I'm using to irc
[22:04] <Typos_King> and konqueror can't connect to any site?
[22:04] <genii> dns ?
[22:05] <Matisse> hi
[22:05] <zoe> dns is fine
[22:05] <genii> !hi | Matisse
[22:05] <zoe> can resolve any site
[22:05] <zoe> socket operations to port 80 seem to be borked
[22:06] <zoe> konqueror says: socket operation timed out
[22:06] <genii> zoe: Were you tinkering with iptables or so lately?
[22:07] <zoe> genii: no
[22:07] <Matisse> I've already solved some problems since upgrade to kde 4.4 but there 1 left: kwin (kde-window-decorator) is crashing when logging in. If I want window borders I have to manually do "kwin --replace". Any ideas how to solve this problem smarter?
[22:08] <Typos_King> zoe:   can you get any pages with wget?     wget www.google.com ?
[22:08] <genii> zoe: Are you able to telnet to port 80 of somewhere.... google for instance
[22:08] <zoe> Typos_King: wget has the same effect
[22:09] <Typos_King> zoe:   then it maybe your port 80  being blocked or something
[22:09] <Typos_King> zoe:   check your running apps/processes, maybe some are conflicting
[22:10] <dmdevotee> hay people, i made script that works, and i placed it on /home/myuser/.kde/Autostart
[22:10] <Typos_King> ok
[22:10] <zoe> Typos_King: which processes would I be looking for?
[22:10] <dmdevotee> why it doesn't execute at boot?
[22:10]  * genii ponders lsof -i:80
[22:10] <Typos_King> zoe:   something that conflictgs with port 80 hehe
[22:10] <dmdevotee> anyone haves an idea?
[22:10] <genii> dmdevotee: Is it set +x ?
[22:11] <zoe> hmmm
[22:11] <zoe> apache?
[22:11] <Typos_King> ...
[22:11] <genii> zoe: Apache only listens
[22:11] <Typos_King> genii ponders lsof -i:80    <----
[22:11] <Typos_King> try that :)
[22:11] <Typos_King> lsof, list open files
[22:11] <zoe> genii: I know
[22:11] <dmdevotee> yes it is -rwxrwxrwx
[22:12] <dmdevotee> and the scripts works if i execute in manually with sudo sh script.sh
[22:12] <genii> dmdevotee: Is the first line something like: #!/bin/sh             or so?
[22:12] <genii> ( shebang )
[22:13] <dmdevotee> and /home/myuser/.kde/Autostart is the folder configured to auto-boot into system preferences
[22:13] <genii> dmdevotee: Is the first line something like: #!/bin/sh or so?
[22:13] <dmdevotee> yes, it haves #! /bin/bash
[22:13] <Typos_King> dmdevotee:    that'd execute at kdeWM session start afaik
[22:13] <genii> dmdevotee: No spaces between ! and /
[22:13] <dmdevotee> no?
[22:13] <dmdevotee> fuck
[22:13] <Typos_King> dmdevotee:    window manager sessions aren't bootup processes perse
[22:13] <dmdevotee> :(
[22:13] <FloodBotK1> dmdevotee: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:14] <genii> dmdevotee: Please watch bad language here
[22:14] <Typos_King> dmdevotee:    what do you need to do? what's the script about?
[22:14] <dmdevotee> sorry
[22:14] <dmdevotee> the scripts auto-mount ntfs partitions
[22:14] <dmdevotee> and it does fine if i execute it manually
[22:14] <Typos_King> ...
[22:15] <Typos_King> dmdevotee    mind using a GUI app for editing fstab for that purpose?
[22:15] <genii> dmdevotee: The studd in the /home/name/.kde/Autostart      will start with "name" permissions.
[22:15] <dmdevotee> i'm going crazy of trying things :D
[22:15] <genii> *stuff
[22:15] <Typos_King> heheh
[22:15] <Typos_King> dmdevotee    http://maketecheasier.com/auto-mount-your-ntfs-partition-in-ubuntu/2009/04/14
[22:16] <Typos_King> pysdm   is in the repositories
[22:16] <genii> dmdevotee: If you are using sudo to run it right now, instead put the script in rc.local
[22:16] <genii> ( where it will run as root )
[22:16] <dmdevotee> typos_king: i tried pysdm on kubuntu, and it didn't work for me
[22:16] <Typos_King> dmdevotee    you mean, you didn't edit fstab correctly
[22:16] <Typos_King> as opposed to, pysdm didn't run at all
[22:16] <dmdevotee> pysdm won't execute at all on kubuntu
[22:17] <llutz> dmdevotee: why don't you mount your filesystems with fstab?
[22:17] <Typos_King> .... really... ..
[22:17] <genii> dmdevotee: Think about what I just described. User "joe" has stuff which autoruns. But there is no auto mechanism to insert the sudo password.
[22:18] <dmdevotee> mmm
[22:18] <genii> dmdevotee: But if you run something from rc.local it runs with admin rights
[22:18] <dmdevotee> i think i am understanding
[22:18] <dmdevotee> i hope so, because i'm going crazy lol
[22:20] <dmdevotee> where is rc.local?
[22:20] <Typos_King> ...
[22:21] <genii> dmdevotee: in /etc
[22:22] <dmdevotee> only appears rc0.d, rc1.d, rc2.c etc
[22:22] <genii> dmdevotee: If you put for instance in there:  ls               it will list contents of /root      and not /home/someusername
[22:23] <zoe> ok, I can even connect on port 443 (https), but not port 80
[22:23] <zoe> what the hell is that?
[22:24] <Typos_King> hheheh
[22:24] <Typos_King> dmdevotee:    tried ntfs-config app yet?   is in the repos too, and allows the automount as well
[22:25] <dmdevotee> typos_king, didn't tried...
[22:25] <dmdevotee> but
[22:26] <dmdevotee> i'm trying now
[22:27] <dmdevotee> thanks, gonna trying
[22:28] <Typos_King> k
[22:31] <jedix> hey
[22:31] <jedix> can someone help me get file transfer between my phone and bluetooth adapter working?
[22:31] <jedix> I have the phone detected and paired
[22:31] <jedix> but the computer isn't running the service for file push
[22:32] <jedix> but it should be.. obex is running and it's shown in the bluetooth kde tray icon as checked.
[22:35] <Typos_King> .... I don't ... use obex myself :|
[22:38] <avihay> jedix: I managed to make it work useing the deafult software that comes with gnome, err I mean normal ubuntu
[22:39] <llutz> jedix: kbluetooth is (at least, was?) heavily broken
[22:39] <avihay> want more info?
[22:45] <mudassar> Hello guys, I need to know a good visual ssh client for kubuntu 9.04
[22:46] <jedix> avihay: nah, I found that online
[22:46] <jedix> thanks guys
[22:46] <jedix> I had to use the gtk app
[22:46] <jedix> shudder
[22:46] <jedix> so ugly
[22:46] <FloodBotK1> jedix: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:48] <llutz> mudassar: since ssh is terminal, why do you want something "visual"? use ssh
[22:50] <mudassar> I need to handle files on my server from my machine and open them in some text editor to change them
[22:50] <mudassar> may be it should secure ftp
[22:50] <mudassar> i am correct
[22:50] <mudassar> ?
[22:50] <llutz> mudassar: use konqueror "sftp://user@host"
[22:51] <mudassar> it will not work from Dolphin ?
[22:51] <llutz> maybe, i never really used dolphin
[22:52] <mudassar> yes, it worked with Konqueror thanks
[22:59] <dmdevotee>  is really possible on kubuntu auto-mount at start ntfs partitions?
[22:59] <dmdevotee> anyone done it personally?
[22:59] <aldaek> What frontend is available for GPG on Kubuntu?
[23:02] <v1ttu> kpgp?
[23:02] <v1ttu> i think
[23:02] <v1ttu> kgpg**
[23:02] <aldaek> I have it installed. But when I try to load it. It acts like it is loading then disappears.
[23:03] <bazhang> !info kgpg
[23:04] <aldaek> It acts like it loads, then complete disappears.
[23:04] <llutz> dmdevotee: sure
[23:04] <dmdevotee> i tried everything, but nothing worked
[23:05] <dmdevotee> llutz how you did it?
[23:06] <Fersure> dmdevotee: hold on
[23:06] <llutz> just add something like this to /etc/fstab: UUID=12D01B20D01B0A1D /media/data              ntfs-3g                         nls=utf8,uid=1000,gid=users,dmask=0002,fmask=0113,noexec,nodev,nosuid  0  0
[23:06] <llutz> one line
[23:06] <dmdevotee> i have a script that does it, but the problem is to execute at startup
[23:06] <aldaek> oh, there it is... i had to expand the tray
[23:06] <llutz> dmdevotee: why using scripts for that? use fstab
[23:07] <dmdevotee> what are that  UUID=12D01B20D01B0A1 number?
[23:07] <llutz> dmdevotee: the UUID of that filesystem, you can use "/dev/sdXY" instead
[23:08] <Fersure> here's what I have from a while back: /dev/sda3       /media/Vista    ntfs-3g defaults,locale=en_GB.utf8 0 0
[23:08] <dmdevotee> i tried editing the fstab file, i will try again
[23:08] <Fersure> dmdevotee: you'll want to change "en_GB" to your locale
[23:09] <Fersure> * change "en_GB.utf8" to your locale
[23:09] <Fersure> dmdevotee: to get your current locale, type the following into a terminal: locale
[23:13] <dmdevotee> /dev/sda1 /media/WD10EADS ntfs-3g nls=utf8,uid=1000,gid=users,dmask=0002,fmask=0113,noexec,nodev,nosuid 0  0
[23:13] <dmdevotee> i'm lost since nls=utf8
[23:18] <dmdevotee> /dev/sda1 /media/WD10EADS ntfs-3g defaults,locale=es_ES.utf8 0 0
[23:18] <dmdevotee> it should work?
[23:19] <ZeRG> Hello
[23:19] <dmdevotee> i don't have to do sudo mkdir /media/WD10EADS or something?
[23:19] <llutz> dmdevotee:  /media/WD10EADS  has to exist
[23:19] <dmdevotee> lol
[23:19] <ZeRG> is there anyone can help me about kubuntu after install why my screen when i click right button with my mouse looks so weird?
[23:19] <aperson> is there a way to adjust horizontal mouse scrolling
[23:19] <aperson> ZeRG, can you provide a screenshot?
[23:20] <ZeRG> its on my laptop but i can take a photo with phone
[23:20] <Maui> hi all, i get this error "Kdeinit could not launch /usr/lib/kde4/bin/dolphin" when i open usb disk or cdrom from taskbar.. how can i solve?
[23:20] <aperson> imgur.com is a good place to upload it, ZeRG
[23:21] <ZeRG> sure
[23:21] <ZeRG> 2min please
[23:23] <tmartins> is there any problem on mobile broadband support with knetworkmanager????
[23:24] <Typos_King> ..?
[23:24] <Typos_King> tmartins:     what do you mean?
[23:24] <tmartins> Typos_King: I can't make a 3g connection using knetworkmanager... although it works fine with nm-applet...
[23:25] <Typos_King> ... right
[23:25] <Typos_King> well... I use nm-applet myself.... knetworkmanager is not-so-good IMO
[23:26] <ZeRG> done i upload to net
[23:26] <ZeRG> http://imgur.com/6PQqj.jpg
[23:28] <ZeRG> well what do you think about this problem guys ? is it bad ? http://imgur.com/6PQqj.jpg
[23:28] <aperson> ZeRG, are you running any compositioning?
[23:28] <ZeRG> compositioning? like what i dont understand
[23:28] <aperson> what is your graphics hardware?
[23:29] <ZeRG> 1280 1024 highest for my laptop
[23:29] <ZeRG> compaq nx 7300 laptop
[23:30] <aperson> do you know the model of your graphics hardware?
[23:30] <ZeRG> sure i can check on internet 1 min please
[23:30] <aperson> ZeRG, on hp laptops, be sure to get the model from the label on the bottom of the laptop, and not the one listed on the bezel
[23:31] <ZeRG> bezel i dont understand what is mean
[23:31] <aperson> the edge around your screen
[23:31] <ZeRG> how can i fix it?
[23:33] <aperson> I just need the model of your graphics card
[23:33] <ZeRG> Intel GMA 950 with 256-bit graphics core with dvm
[23:33] <aperson> ok
[23:34] <aperson> can you open up system settings?
[23:34] <ZeRG> on my laptop?
[23:34] <ZeRG> its really hard because
[23:34] <ZeRG> when i click
[23:34] <ZeRG> its look so weird
[23:34] <aperson> hit alt+f2
[23:34] <ZeRG> ok
[23:35] <aperson> type in
[23:35] <aperson> systemsettings
[23:35] <aperson> and hit enter
[23:36] <ZeRG> ok 1 min please :) i do restart my laptop its freeze
[23:36] <ZeRG> i dont know why
[23:37] <ZeRG> done
[23:37] <ZeRG> now?
[23:37] <aperson> go to desktop
[23:37] <Typos_King> hehe
[23:37] <Typos_King> if it's frozen.... not sure how much desktop will load :)
[23:37] <aperson> Typos_King, they said they restarted
[23:37] <ZeRG> well honesty its really hard to choice desktop  fill with big letters
[23:37] <ZeRG> :D
[23:38] <Typos_King> ...
[23:38] <Typos_King> ZeRG:    are you IN kde? right now with big letters and all
[23:39] <aperson> Typos_King, see: screenshot
[23:39] <aperson> http://imgur.com/6PQqj.jpg
[23:39] <Typos_King> well.. yeah,   dunno where he's at though :{
[23:39] <ZeRG> well let me take another picture :D
[23:40] <aperson> it should be the second on the top row
[23:40] <aperson> depending on your locale
[23:42] <ZeRG> well its not choice its only big wave mixing with huge letters
[23:43] <ZeRG> do you have anycode to open and fix that?
[23:44] <ZeRG> http://imgur.com/mR7Rl.jpg
[23:44] <ZeRG> this is the photo what is looks like
[23:45] <Typos_King> ...
[23:45] <Typos_King> I'd just restart then :|
[23:46] <ZeRG> its always same screen
[23:48] <ZeRG> well? what should i do?
[23:49] <dmdevotee> fersure, llutz. typos_king...thanks, adding commands to fstab worked like a charm
[23:49] <Typos_King> .. what version of kubuntu is it?
[23:49] <ZeRG> 9,10
[23:49] <ZeRG> the latest one for dewkstop
[23:49] <ZeRG> i,386
[23:51] <Typos_King> ... sounds ... like a bad installation maybe :|
[23:52] <Typos_King> ..
[23:53] <Typos_King> ZeRG:    I assume you can't get online with it?   I 'd possible retry the installation, it either put the wrong drivers to use for the videocard...or you did something to that effect
[23:54] <ZeRG> well honesty i just install the cd iso which i download it 1 hour ago and then
[23:54] <ZeRG> i didnt touch anything
[23:54] <ZeRG> its installed automotic
[23:54] <ZeRG> thats all
[23:54] <ZeRG> but its wubi installer
[23:55] <ZeRG> my windows xp installer when i click it was 1280,1024 screen
[23:55] <ZeRG> so what should i do?
[23:57] <Typos_King> dunno.... do you want 1280?
[23:58] <Typos_King> if not, then change it :)
[23:58] <aperson> Typos_King, it's likely the compositioning
[23:58] <aperson> but if we can't see to turn it off... :/
[23:59] <Typos_King> a wubi....does that mean is installed to a directory in the win32 partition?
[23:59] <Typos_King> maybe you should try using a separate partition for it