[00:42] <_stink_> damn
[00:43] <Dekkard> Sup
[00:55] <rick_h_> woot
[01:05] <Dekkard> L8rs
[01:59] <jrwren> rick_h_: new gig is at Arbor Networks :)
[02:00] <rick_h_>  jrwren ah, thought it didn't go through. Congrats!
[02:01] <jrwren> thanks.
[02:01] <jrwren> so far, so good.
[02:01] <jrwren> day 1 was pretty sweet.
[02:02] <rick_h_> awesome
[02:03] <rick_h_> anyone know how to set a Makefile var but only if the shell var doesn't exist?
[03:23] <snap-l> Apparently there's only 20 tickets for the GLFPC event
[03:23] <snap-l> which makes sense since SRT isn't that big of a place. :)
[03:57] <snap-l> greg-g: Starting to notice more bands releasing their stuff SA
[03:57] <snap-l> Maybe there is something to the BY-NC-ND deprecation after all.
[04:53] <Blazeix> i think there are only 20 tickets *left*. there are only 50 total, though...
[11:47] <snap-l> Good morning
[11:53] <snap-l> Open Metalcast Episode 42, where we tell you the answers to Life, The Universe, and Something Else: http://ur1.ca/8jeoq
[12:42] <jrwren> rick_h_: didn't you buy a make book?
[12:43] <jrwren> rick_h_: looks like make handles that by default.  http://sunsite.ualberta.ca/Documentation/Gnu/make-3.79/html_chapter/make_9.html#SEC90
[12:44] <jrwren> rick_h_: or use ?=
[12:44] <jrwren> http://www.gnu.org/software/make/manual/make.html#Setting
[13:03] <rick_h_> jrwren: yes
[13:04] <rick_h_> jrwren: ah nice, I was google'ing around the wrong way
[13:04] <rick_h_> I was trying to set the env var and have it persist in the file
[13:04] <rick_h_> but yea, I can easily just add it to the make command when the builder runs it
[13:06] <brousch> oooh, appinventor is back online
[13:06] <brousch> http://appinventor.mit.edu/
[13:08] <rick_h_> yea, cool stuff
[13:45] <rick_h_> jrwren: thanks, that really helped me get this going
[14:25] <tjagoda> Hallo
[14:25] <rick_h_> morning
[14:26] <rick_h_> Blazeix: http://paste.mitechie.com/show/560/ let me know where I'm missing things pls :)
[14:29] <tjagoda> Anybody have a good linux audiobook recommendation?
[14:29] <tjagoda> Day trip to Toronto tomorrow
[14:29] <tjagoda> so like 8 hours of driving time
[14:31] <rick_h_> nixternal: fix your @#$# :P
[14:31] <rick_h_> tjagoda: linux audiobook?
[14:32] <tjagoda> "Any audiobook remotely covering topics related to open sourceyness and or linuks"
[14:33] <rick_h_> hm, havne't listened to anything like that recently. Closest would be in the plex (google)
[14:37] <snap-l> Yeah, the only ones that I'm aware of would be something like The Cathedral And The Bazaar or it's ilk
[14:37] <snap-l> http://catb.org/~esr/writings/homesteading/
[14:46] <snap-l> http://www.randomhouse.com/book/80240/the-hacker-ethic-by-pekka-himanen
[14:48] <snap-l> tjagoda: Frankly, most of the books that I could see being turned into audio books about OSS are the touchy-feely OSS books
[14:48] <snap-l> If you're looking for something a little more in-depth, you'd be better served with an eBook reader.
[14:48] <snap-l> and some headphones. :)
[14:49] <snap-l> And riding the train
[14:49] <snap-l> eBooks aren't that great for driving
[14:51] <snap-l> https://www.amazon.com/dp/1402516274/ref=as_li_ss_til?tag=decafbadnet-20&camp=0&creative=0&linkCode=as4&creativeASIN=1402516274&adid=1QQV4A444M67PXXVJE6M&
[14:52] <snap-l> Might I humbly recommend this as better listening material. :)
[14:52] <snap-l> and yes, there's a referral code, so buy 20 of them.
[15:15] <snap-l> Jesus, this recruiter is going to get banned soon.
[15:53] <rick_h_> snap-l: ping
[16:07] <snap-l> jcastro: http://www.deadlyfredly.com/2012/03/dinocalypse-the-cover/
[16:16] <brousch> what does unity/gnome use for viewing PDFs?
[16:17] <snap-l> evince
[16:17] <snap-l> Or at least it used to
[16:18] <snap-l> I think it still does, but haven't checked. :)
[16:18] <brousch> ran into a new fun PDF that ghostscript pukes on
[16:19] <brousch> adobe reader, foxit reader, and okular render it fine
[16:20] <brousch> evince looks good too
[16:20] <krondor> people can do some funky things with PDFs, I once had one that was animated, which I was surprised even worked in okular.
[16:20] <snap-l> Yeah, not sure how ghostscript handles layered PDFs
[16:23] <brousch> snap-l: usually it's fine
[16:23] <brousch> which is why i've been using it to convert nasty PDFs to nicer formats
[16:24] <brousch> so now i need to look at what okular or evince use to do the rendering and see if i can adapt it to my needs
[16:28] <krondor> brousch:  android dev; MIT App Inventor Open Beta http://bit.ly/wWu1Sg
[16:32] <brousch> filed bugs against ghostscript PDF and mupdf. this should be fun
[16:33] <brousch> krondor: yeah, i saw that this morning. haven't had a chance to look at it though :(
[16:55] <brousch> ok, okular and evince both use poppler. now i'm getting somewhere  http://poppler.freedesktop.org/
[17:05] <nixternal> nice
[17:29] <snap-l> PHP 5.4 was released?
[17:53] <krondor> yep
[18:05] <rick_h_> snap-l: yea, couple fancy bits. Mixins
[19:12] <brousch> ug, having fun with the ghostscript bug http://bugs.ghostscript.com/show_bug.cgi?id=692903
[19:22] <brousch> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/12/03/06/1837245/x-server-now-available-for-android
[19:34] <greg-g> brousch: ugh, unhelpfull
[19:45] <brousch> poppler does what i need, so if need-be i can replace ghostscript
[20:03] <snap-l> http://i.imgur.com/HK3ER.jpg
[20:41] <brousch> there. did fresh install of debian with an entirely different ghostscript version and it produced the same scrambled output
[20:55] <snap-l> At least it's consistent.
[20:56] <brousch> yeah, i found it because we have a windows program that uses gs8.4, which is many years old. and it still exists on gs9.04 today
[21:09] <krondor> man its been a bit since I priced a new server, new proliantg8 has 24dimms? 768 GB/1U maximum ram. wow
[21:10] <brousch> crazy
[21:12] <krondor> that's 48GB/core if you do 16 core (2*8 core chips)
[21:26] <snap-l> That's insane
[21:27] <greg-g> in the membrane
[21:27] <brousch> insane
[21:29] <greg-g> IN THE BRAIN!
[21:30] <snap-l> greg-g: Why do you trust anything related with bitcoin? :)
[21:30] <greg-g> snap-l: do I?
[21:31] <greg-g> I mean, dwolla is just a payment processor, like paypal or google or amazon.
[21:31] <snap-l> Yeah, but they transfer stuff via bitcoin, afaict?
[21:33] <greg-g> dwolla? no.
[21:34] <greg-g> dwolla is just like paypal/amazon payments
[21:34] <greg-g> just, better in that they don't charge as much
[21:34] <greg-g> dwolla had a bitcoin exchange using dwolla's service (just as kickstarter uses amazon)
[21:34] <greg-g> so, dwolla doesn't touch bitcoins, just other virtual money on servers (USD) ;)
[21:34] <snap-l> Ah, OK
[23:44] <snap-l> Bah, left a blooper in the latest OMC
[23:57] <greg-g> yay bloopers!


[03:20] <rick_h> arosales: thanks, I'm still curious if we can generate a user story around it though. I guess I'm asking what is "John" trying to do with the GUI when he searched for all reviewed charms in a given series?
[04:32] <arosales> rick_h, in this context John may not to anything with the browser. He may just be looking to see what possible services he could configure from the catalog, what ideas may be generated as a result of knowing what is out there, and how he can build of it.
[04:33] <arosales> So from that perspective it is a pure charm browsing story
[11:32] <arosales> gary_poster, fyi bug 1202636 created.
[11:32] <gary_poster> cool thanks arosales
[11:33] <arosales> gary_poster, sure np.
[11:34] <gary_poster> not yet arosales.  Need to coordinate with both IS and marketing.  I will let you and jcastro know more as I do.
[11:35] <arosales> ok, just wanted to be sure we were keeping an eye out to test, etc.  -thanks.
[13:20] <frankban> gary_poster: weekly call? no rush, I am there
[14:02] <teknico> gary_poster: I'm hanging out in the weekly call hangout :-)
[14:03] <gary_poster> thank you teknico, there soon
[14:03] <antdillon> Hi, are we ok to use rgba values?
[14:05] <frankban> gary_poster: just pushed the updated charm, no conflicts
[14:05] <gary_poster> frankban, awesome
[14:05] <gary_poster> antdillon, +1
[14:07] <ahasenack> hi guys, nice ui, I like the new look
[14:07] <ahasenack> now a question: the security alert icon, regarding integration with landscape
[14:07] <ahasenack> it's showing up at the bottom, nice. But not on the service boxes, like the reboot one does: http://i.imagebanana.com/img/wxcr0oux/Selection_008.png
[14:07] <ahasenack> should it also appear in the service boxes?
[14:21] <frankban> gary_poster: aha! lint error after the merge. It would prevent to propose branches, fixing it in trunk.
[14:21] <antdillon> gary_poster, I have branch with the unit status styles at lp:~ya-bo-ng/juju-gui/inspector-unit-styles
[14:21] <antdillon> gary_poster, There has been no merge since I pulled that one so shouldnt have any conflicts
[14:22] <gary_poster> awesome antdillon .  hatch or I will look at it soon
[14:23] <gary_poster> frankban, cool thank you
[14:24] <bcsaller> ahasenack: We don't reserve space for both landscape icons on the service box, there is a system of priority where if the box must be restarted that takes priority currently. The inspector will indicate if both statuses are actually present
[14:24] <gary_poster> ahasenack, thanks.  if a service has both a restart and a security alert then the restart icon is drawn alone.  That's as designed.  is that the case for these?
[14:24] <ahasenack> ah, right
[14:24] <ahasenack> it is
[14:25] <ahasenack> let me resolve the reboot one then
[14:26] <gary_poster> ahasenack, in that image, is lds-quickstart a local charm?  Can you take a glance at the html to see what the url is for that svg?
[14:27] <ahasenack> gary_poster: it's a local, we don't have an icon for it as far as I know
[14:27] <ahasenack> let me check the url
[14:27] <ahasenack> gary_poster: <image class="service-icon" xlink:href="https://manage.jujucharms.com/api/2/charm/precise/lds-quickstart-61/icon.svg" width="96" height="96" transform="translate(47, 50)" id="yui_3_9_1_1_1374156380297_4442"></image>
[14:28] <gary_poster> ahasenack, even if you did, we don't get icons for local charms ATM and we just realized that even the default image is not so good.
[14:29] <gary_poster> cool thanks ahasenack we will improve soon :-)
[14:29] <ahasenack> nice
[14:32] <Makyo> rick_h, https://codereview.appspot.com/11517043
[14:32] <ahasenack> bscaller: gary_poster: ok, worked, reboot icon replaced by the security one
[14:32] <gary_poster> cool ahasenack thanks for checking
[15:03] <ahasenack> gary_poster: is there a way to add a relation with subordinate charms in the gui?
[15:03] <luca> rick_h: spamming my email :P
[15:03] <gary_poster> ahasenack, if not, bug. looking.
[15:04] <ahasenack> gary_poster: landscape-client is a subordinate, it has "registration" and "container"
[15:04] <ahasenack> gary_poster: I don't seem to be able to relate it to the ubuntu charm, for example. I think it's looking for a matching name over there, but it won't find any
[15:04] <ahasenack> I need something like "juju add-relation landscape-client:container ubuntu"
[15:05] <ahasenack> well, "need" is a strong word, it's the example I have :)
[15:05] <gary_poster> ahasenack, wfm for puppet
[15:05] <gary_poster> ahasenack, these are my steps to try and dupe:
[15:05] <ahasenack> gary_poster: how, you just click
[15:05] <ahasenack> ok
[15:05] <gary_poster> 1) http://uistage.jujucharms.com:8086/
[15:05] <gary_poster> 2) drag mediawiki to canvas; confirm deployment
[15:06] <gary_poster> 3) search for puppet
[15:06] <gary_poster> 4) drag/confirm puppet
[15:06] <gary_poster> 5) click on puppet
[15:06] <gary_poster> 6) choose build relation, and drag line to mediawiki and click
[15:06] <gary_poster> success:
[15:07] <jcastro> rick_h: nice work closing them bugs. \o/
[15:07] <gary_poster> subordinate goes from 0 to 1 on link indicator
[15:07] <ahasenack> hm, some things are issing
[15:07] <ahasenack> gary_poster: I don't have that extra subordinate icon
[15:07] <gary_poster> hovering over link indicator shows line
[15:07] <ahasenack> gary_poster: is that uistage trunk?
[15:07] <gary_poster> ahasenack, y, which is pretty much identical to 0.8.0 released yesterday
[15:08] <ahasenack> odd
[15:08] <gary_poster> ahasenack, did it work properly on uistage?
[15:08] <gary_poster> for you?
[15:08] <ahasenack> gary_poster: yes, even with landscape-client
[15:08] <gary_poster> ahasenack, oh!
[15:08] <gary_poster> huh
[15:09] <rick_h> jcastro: hah, sorry for the email apsn
[15:09] <rick_h> spam that is
[15:09] <gary_poster> ahasenack, um.  I can try to dupe on ec2?
[15:09] <gary_poster> would that help?
[15:09] <ahasenack> gary_poster: I will have to look a bit deeper indeed
[15:09] <ahasenack> got some rendering errors now
[15:10] <ahasenack> and couldn't deploy landscape-client with a new service name, the gui said it failed
[15:10] <gary_poster> ahasenack, uistage, locally, both?
[15:10] <ahasenack> gary_poster: all local
[15:10] <gary_poster> ahasenack, the fail would have come from juju, not us, but it could still be our fault if we are asking for the wrong thing somehow
[15:11] <gary_poster> ahasenack, image of rendering error would be appreciated
[15:11] <gary_poster> chrome?
[15:11] <ahasenack> gary_poster: the charm finder, what you call it, on the left
[15:11] <ahasenack> gary_poster: it's not hidden when you click on the alerts
[15:11] <ahasenack> gary_poster: so it stays above the alert text
[15:11] <gary_poster> ahasenack, oh
[15:12] <gary_poster> ahasenack, yeah.  alerts suck atm, sorry.  you can mostly work around it my shrinking alert with tab thing.  known suckiness
[15:12] <ahasenack> gary_poster: http://i.imagebanana.com/img/jj4pzzyj/Selection_009.png
[15:12] <ahasenack> yep
[15:12] <gary_poster> ahasenack, thanks
[15:12] <ahasenack> I'll debug this a bit better soon, make sure I'm on up-to-date trunk, etc
[15:13] <gary_poster> ok ahasenack.  If you want us to try and dupe something let me know.
[15:13] <ahasenack> sure, thanks
[15:17] <gary_poster> luca replied on inspector.  like idea of keeping inspector up after deployment, though had other comments
[15:20] <luca> gary_poster: thanks, I'll change the button and work on expose and destroy, we're getting close to wrapping this up!
[15:21] <gary_poster> luca, idea of adding color sounds nice.  would it be easy for you to give us to give us modified category svgs?  If not we will do it in inkscape
[15:22] <gary_poster> luca, inspector: awesome, thanks :-)  looking great
[15:22] <luca> gary_poster: I can do it pretty quickly but wasn't sure of the size you guys needed
[15:22] <gary_poster> luca, 96x96
[15:23] <luca> gary_poster: ok, I'll get them done and sent over
[15:23] <gary_poster> thank you luca!  depending on when we hear back from marketing, maybe it will sneak in before deploy :-)
[15:24] <luca> gary_poster: I spoke to Sian about an hour ago and she said that in all likeliness it won't launch today because MS is taking too long.
[15:25] <gary_poster> luca, not terribly surprised, given current time in UK, but uh-oh.  Would rather not launch Friday.  Maybe this is Monday after all :-P
[15:25] <luca> gary_poster: hehe yeah
[15:40] <marcoceppi> Just deployed the juju-gui from cs:~juju-gui/juju-gui, exposed, and I get a 403 error on the page
[15:40] <marcoceppi> Am I missing any steps? Or should I have used the charm store version?
[15:44] <hatch> bcsaller https://codereview.appspot.com/11526043/
[15:44] <gary_poster> marcoceppi, hi.  weird.  ...we will try to dupe.  I'm pretty sure that the charm store one works, since I tried that last night.  I'll report back as I experiment.  I'll try charm store one first, because I am more panicked if that is broken :-)
[15:45] <gary_poster> marcoceppi, I'll be using pyJuju.  what are you using?
[15:45] <marcoceppi> gary_poster: had to chmod /var/lib/juju/agents/unit-juju-gui-*/charm to +x
[15:45] <marcoceppi> juju-core
[15:45]  * marcoceppi opens bug
[15:45] <gary_poster> marcoceppi, huh.  thanks, digging
[15:46] <marcoceppi> if the build output was in a directory outside of the var agents it wouldn't have failed
[15:57] <hatch> jujugui I need one review on both branches https://codereview.appspot.com/11526043/  and https://codereview.appspot.com/11521043/
[16:00] <jcastro> arosales: ok I filed an IS ticket for the juju.u.c website update. It's all set to go, when we want to launch we just need to tell #is to do the ticket.
[16:00] <jcastro> arosales: I gave deej a heads up as well so responsiveness should be quick
[16:00] <jcastro> gary_poster: rick_h: ^^ FYI RT# for bus factor reasons
[16:00] <jcastro> all the links and whatnot will be going to jujucharms.com/sidebar
[16:01] <arosales> jcastro, thanks.
[16:01] <arosales> jcastro, that is the RT# for reference?
[16:02] <gary_poster> jcastro, cool, thank you. sidebar only?  I thought we wanted fullscreen links for intro?
[16:02] <jcastro> oh, forgot to post the actual #
[16:02] <jcastro> RT #63304
[16:02] <jcastro> gary_poster: those are the links luca gave me to use.
[16:02] <jcastro> I agree with you though, you know how much I love /fullscreen
[16:03] <luca> jcastro: gary_poster the full screen is linked to via the "browse the charm store" link
[16:03] <luca> jcastro: gary_poster it's already linked correctly and doesn't need any change
[16:03] <gary_poster> luca, ah!  ok
[16:04] <jcastro> I would like to mention that when I was changing the links the idea of putting /fullscreen instead crossed my mind many times.
[16:04] <jcastro> :)
[16:04] <gary_poster> heh
[16:05] <gary_poster> marcoceppi, charm store version works with pyjuju.  I'm guessing this is a juju core compatibility issue that I'll raise to them, in addition to fixing in the gui charm.  are you using a juju core package, or built from source?
[16:05] <marcoceppi> gary_poster: this is 1.11.3 built this morning
[16:05] <gary_poster> cool thanks marcoceppi
[16:05] <marcoceppi> gary_poster: thank you!
[16:08] <frankban> gary_poster: the first cut of the server is ready to be reviewed: https://codereview.appspot.com/11530043
[16:09] <gary_poster> frankban, wow, awesome :-)
[16:09] <gary_poster> frankban, we'll review it this afternoon and have it ready for you tomorrow morning
[16:09] <frankban> gary_poster: great thanks!
[16:15] <Makyo> gary_poster, http://how-bazaar.blogspot.co.nz/2013/07/stunned-by-go.html
[16:17] <hatch> jujugui lf one more review https://codereview.appspot.com/11521043/
[16:32] <antdillon> gary_poster, Hi, I've done a few final tweaks to the unit indicators in the inspector on my branch
[16:32] <antdillon> gary_poster, It'll be eod for me in 30 mins
[16:38] <antdillon> hatch, Hi, what revno did you land on trunk from my branch?
[16:39] <antdillon> hatch, Just want to check you got the latest stuff from the branch
[16:43] <antdillon> hatch, Oh looks like I just missed the ship with final tweaks when you landed my branch. Would you be able to get the latest up there sorry to be a pain
[17:47] <jcastro> gary_poster: are you guys still sprinting and colocated?
[17:47] <gary_poster> jcastro, yes
[17:47] <jcastro> gary_poster: some motivational news for you
[17:48]  * gary_poster listens
[17:48] <jcastro> tldr; netflix had mims present Juju yesterday at their netflixcloud camp
[17:48] <gary_poster> cool!
[17:48] <jcastro> the first one was invite only, 15 people or so
[17:48] <hatch> wooooord up!
[17:48] <jcastro> the meetup was public, and adrian cockroft himself mentioned Juju
[17:48] <jcastro> they got it all on video too, just waiting for it to publish
[17:48] <hatch> that's awesome
[17:49] <jcastro> ~250 at the meetup.
[17:49] <hatch> did they all cheer afterwards? ;)
[17:49] <jcastro> so basically, the kind of people who find Netflix architecture interesting know Juju.
[17:49] <gary_poster> heh, that's fantastic
[17:49] <jcastro> anyway mims will post a longer report
[17:49] <jcastro> it's just a nice cap to a good week man ...
[17:49] <gary_poster> definitely :-)
[17:49] <gary_poster> thanks for letting us know :-)
[17:49] <jcastro> here's the best part.
[17:49] <jcastro> we didn't ask.
[17:49] <jcastro> they invited him to do the talk
[17:50] <gary_poster> oh-hoh!
[17:50] <bcsaller> thats great
[17:50] <gary_poster> MS heard this already, jcastro?
[17:50] <jcastro> I just got off the phone with mims
[17:50] <jcastro> so I am thinking no
[17:51] <gary_poster> cool
[17:51] <jcastro> I was going to just link up the video as soon as it hits their youtube channel
[17:51] <gary_poster> keep the good news coming in lead up to isle of man ;-)
[17:52] <hatch> did he show the GUI?
[17:52] <gary_poster> Makyo, https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-gui/+filebug
[17:52] <gary_poster> bah
[17:53] <gary_poster> Makyo, :-P https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-gui/+bug/1202772
[17:53] <_mup_> Bug #1202772: GUI charm fails to deploy successfully on Juju Core <juju-gui:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1202772>
[18:38] <gary_poster> jcsackett, https://codereview.appspot.com/11532044/
[18:54] <Makyo> jujugui charm dir perm fix https://codereview.appspot.com/11540043 somewhat critical.  Relatively.  Critical-ish.
[19:21] <gary_poster> Makyo, lp:~juju-gui-charmers/charms/precise/juju-gui/trunk
[19:26] <Makyo> marcoceppi, the perms issue is fixed in the charm for core deployments, #1202772 is still open on core for at least investigation.
[19:26] <_mup_> Bug #1202772: GUI charm fails to deploy successfully on Juju Core <juju-core:New> <juju-gui:Fix Committed by makyo> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1202772>
[19:38] <marcoceppi> Makyo: thanks!
[19:53] <gary_poster> hatch, and then try out http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8888/ please
[20:14] <hatch> jujugui I need a single review plz  https://codereview.appspot.com/11525044
[20:22] <Makyo> print "\n".join(map(lambda i:("%s%s"%((i%3==0 and "fizz" or ""),(i%5==0 and "buzz" or ""))) or "%d"%i, xrange(0,100)))
[20:22] <Makyo> print "\n".join([''.join([not i%3 and 'fizz' or '',not i%5 and 'buzz' or '',i%3 and i%5 and str(i) or '']) for i in range(1,101)])
[20:42] <gary_poster> bac https://codereview.appspot.com/11530043/diff/1/server/guiserver/clients.py?column_width=80
[20:42] <gary_poster> bac https://codereview.appspot.com/11530043/diff/1/server/guiserver/clients.py?column_width=80
[21:04] <Makyo> jujugui one more? https://codereview.appspot.com/11543043
[21:13] <Makyo> http://idlewords.com/2007/04/the_alameda-weehawken_burrito_tunnel.htm v. important
[21:44] <rick_h> jcsackett: ordered
[21:44] <jcsackett> rick_h: sweet!
[21:46] <abentley> hazmat: Hi.  We needed to expose some of the internals of deployer so that charmworld can use them.  Here's our branch that does it: https://code.launchpad.net/~abentley/juju-deployer/get-flattened-deployment/+merge/175689
[21:53] <jcsackett> jujugui: https://codereview.appspot.com/11544044
[22:24] <huwshimi> Morning
[22:26] <dpb1> Hi all -- I'm deploying a local charm, and put an icon.svg in the root folder.  juju-gui is not showing it.  Should I try to reload juju-gui in some way?  This is not an official charm from the store, something under development right now.


[08:29] <yurtesen> utkarsh2102: so this is the day we resolve it? :)
[09:58] <KeeperoftheKeys> hey
[09:58] <KeeperoftheKeys> unattended upgrades seems to not respect debconf settings - https://pastebin.com/ZNLA9xQK
[09:58] <KeeperoftheKeys> is this a known issue?
[10:00] <KeeperoftheKeys> Tested on ubuntu-server 20.04 and on ubuntu-desktop 22.04
[10:03] <KeeperoftheKeys> (to be clear what should have happened in that paste is that the debconf answer remained unchanged and /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20auto-upgrades was updated with the disabled unattended upgrades file, instead debconf was updated and nothing was changed in 20auto-upgrades)
[12:48] <utkarsh2102> yurtesen: hey, yes, I started the draft, I'll finish it by my evening and send it over, CC'ing you.
[12:49] <utkarsh2102> it'll basically be just a data dump with asking what next steps we can take.
[12:49] <utkarsh2102> if you feel like adding something on top of it, please do :)
[13:41] <KeeperoftheKeys> I ran a further test it seems that unattended-upgrades only ignores debconf after that value has been true at some point
[14:13] <samy1028b> Hello all, I have a new Ubuntu 20.04 FIPS VM with a new MySQL 8.0.29 installation that is not starting with SSL.  It is throwing this in the error.log:  "The SSL library function CRYPTO_set_mem_functions failed"
[14:13] <samy1028b> I've found some references on Redhat with FIPS enabled.  Has anyone seen something similar with FIPS or have any ideas where to look further?
[14:14] <samy1028b> Any ideas if this might be something with Ubuntu 20.04 FIPS implementation?
[14:22] <ahasenack> maybe, you would have to reboot without fips to see if it then starts
[14:22] <ahasenack> and tune up debugging on mysql's side to see if it spits out which crypto algorithm it's trying to use that was denied by openssl fips
[14:25] <samy1028b> This particular VM is a prepackaged Azure Ubuntu 20.04 FIPS server VM.  How would we reboot without FIPS?
[14:26] <samy1028b> I'll give the idea on the debug tracking for the crypto algo to my tech who's working on this also.
[14:29] <ahasenack> you would have to reboot either with a command line disabling fips (something along the lines of fips_enabled=0, or fips=0, I don't remember), or boot into a non-fips kernel
[14:29] <ahasenack> I would first try debugging mysql to see what it's trying to do
[14:30] <ahasenack> algorithms that are non fips compliant include md5, and I think also sha1
[14:32] <samy1028b> ahasenack, that sounds like a good first step and thoughts of what to check for.  My tech is going to look into that shortly.  Thank you for the ideas!
[14:34] <ahasenack> samy1028b: did you build that mysql 8.0.29 yourself for ubuntu 20.04?
[14:35] <ahasenack> oh, no, I see it's available for focal, n/m
[14:39] <ahasenack> samy1028b: have you tried this command-line option? https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/8.0/en/server-system-variables.html#sysvar_ssl_fips_mode
[14:42] <samy1028b> hmm.  Currently it's just running "/usr/sbin/mysqld" and when I search for SSL variables via MySQL it shows "ssl_fips_mode = off" at the moment.
[14:43] <samy1028b> I would think that it should have tried to auto-start with ssl_fips_mode=on since this is pre-built FIPS VM?
[14:44] <samy1028b> and no, we haven't tried forcing it via the command line.
[14:46] <ahasenack> it's the normal mysql package from the distribution, it wouldn't default to on, and I don't think the cloud image can be customized that way for a package that isn't even installed yet (at boot time)
[14:47] <jchittum> I'm guessing that the installation of mysql doesn't detect that it is installed on a FIPS system, and doesn't turn on the variable
[14:47] <ahasenack> samy1028b: just for me to understand, you selected an image that is fips enabled from the start, right
[14:48] <ahasenack> you did not enable fips manually after booting the vm?
[14:53] <samy1028b> no, I assumed it would have loaded it as part of the deployed VM?
[14:54] <samy1028b> Yes, we deployed on Azure by selecting the Ubuntu 20.04 FIPS vm
[14:54] <samy1028b> https://azuremarketplace.microsoft.com/en-us/marketplace/apps/canonical.0001-com-ubuntu-pro-focal-fips
[14:54] <samy1028b> hmm... that could be part of the issue.
[14:55] <samy1028b> I just did a "ua status" and it shows ESM and FIPS as entitled/enabled.
[14:55] <samy1028b> but then it shows this: "NOTICES
[14:55] <samy1028b> Reboot to FIPS kernel required
[14:55] <samy1028b> "
[14:56] <samy1028b> uname -a
[14:56] <samy1028b> Linux temp-test-01 5.4.0-1022-azure-fips #22+fips1-Ubuntu SMP Mon Dec 13 01:12:55 UTC 2021 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[14:57] <samy1028b> Any idea why "ua status" says a reboot to FIPS kernel required but uname -a shows I'm running a FIPS kernel?
[15:04] <ahasenack> unsure, but you seem to be on a fips kernel, so that's fine
[15:04] <ahasenack> another way to check is in /proc or /sys, let met get that path
[15:05] <ahasenack> samy1028b: cat /proc/sys/crypto/fips_enabled
[15:05] <ahasenack> iirc
[15:06] <samy1028b> cat /proc/sys/crypto/fips_enabled
[15:06] <samy1028b>     1
[15:07] <ahasenack> looks good
[15:07] <ahasenack> I would try that mysql command line option next then
[15:07] <samy1028b> ok
[15:07] <ahasenack> or config, doesn't have to be a command line option, it can be added to the config somewhere
[15:13] <orndorffgrant> is /var/run/reboot-required set? "ua" might be seeing that and assuming (wrongly) that the reboot is required for the fips kernel
[15:16] <samy1028b> No idea,  I'll get my tech to look at that and see what he can tell me.
[15:18] <ahasenack> samy1028b: I'll try to reproduce it and file a bug to see what we can do to make the experience better
[15:18] <ahasenack> I'll let you know the number here when I have it
[15:18] <ahasenack> having lunch now ;)
[15:20] <samy1028b> I have to jump off for a conference call myself.  Thank you for the help so far! :)
[15:49] <goddard> any easy to way to just copy apache/mysql files and data to another server?
[15:50] <goddard> running same versions of everything just different host
[15:50] <goddard> i imagien i could just rsync
[15:50] <goddard> /etc/apache /var/www ?
[15:53] <sdeziel> goddard: yeah, rsync is the tool of choice I think
[15:53] <goddard> cool
[15:55] <goddard> any issues just mashing /var/lib/mysql into the new server ?
[15:55] <goddard> obviously would stop it on the old before doing it
[16:08] <patdk-lap> permissions, version
[16:22] <brad> Hello, I need help setting up wifi on my Ubuntu server, I am running it on a raspberry Pi 3b
[16:25] <ahasenack> brlin: https://netplan.io/examples/#connecting-to-a-wpa-personal-wireless-network is one way
[17:34] <goddard> patdk-lap: gotta preserve permissions then and just make sure they are the same versions
[17:45] <samy1028b> ahasenack: some news on the MySQL / 20.04 / FIPS issue - my tech has found that it appears MySQL FIPS requires OpenSSL 1.0.2 but Ubuntu 20.04 FIPS has everything with OpenSSL 1.1.1f.  And according to https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/8.0/en/fips-mode.html#fips-system-requirements  it appears this may be the root cause?
[17:45] <ahasenack> it still doesn't start, or are you just looking at the requirements?
[17:46] <ahasenack> I'm trying to reproduce it, but currently having some problem with my vm setup
[17:53] <samy1028b> it still doesn't start.
[17:54] <samy1028b> at the moment it looks like we may need to migrate (again) to an Ubuntu 18.04 FIPS with MySQL 5.7 FIPS enabled.
[17:56] <ahasenack> samy1028b: were there any support options given when selecting this image type?
[17:57] <samy1028b> I don't think so?  Let me check
[18:01] <samy1028b> it doesn't look like it.  It's just the basic install with Ubuntu Advantage, no support included.
[18:03] <ahasenack> samy1028b: can you show in a pastebin the output of apt-cache policy mysql-server-8.0
[18:06] <ahasenack> samy1028b: I added ssl-fips-mode=ON to /etc/mysql/mysql.conf.d/mysqld.cnf restarted
[18:06] <ahasenack> and now I get
[18:06] <ahasenack> 2022-05-05T18:05:44.070810Z 0 [System] [MY-013602] [Server] Channel mysql_main configured to support TLS. Encrypted connections are now supported for this channel.
[18:06] <ahasenack> so it seems to have worked
[18:06] <ahasenack> before I was getting the same error as you (but mysql was running, probably without tls though)
[18:06] <samy1028b> https://pastebin.com/Zpi5BDgB
[18:06] <ahasenack> let me just stop it to be sure the logs are fresh
[18:07] <ahasenack> stopped mysql, cleared the log, started: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/nqXfK2bRXq/
[18:07] <ahasenack> still the error, but it also seems to have started
[18:12] <ahasenack> without setting the fips conf, the error is actually "Failed to set up SSL because of the following SSL library error: SSL_CTX_new failed
[18:12] <ahasenack> "
[18:16] <ahasenack> show variables like '%ssl%';
[18:16] <ahasenack> that command also now shows, when I set fips=on in the config:
[18:16] <ahasenack> | have_openssl                        | YES             |
[18:16] <ahasenack> | have_ssl                            | YES             |
[18:16] <ahasenack> and before it was saying DISABLED to both
[18:17] <ahasenack> samy1028b: I'd say ssl is working after adding the fips option the config
[18:18] <samy1028b> We're giving it a try also.
[18:19] <samy1028b> if it works, perhaps this should be raised as a usability item - you'd expect a FIPS deployed system should have FIPS enabled by default in a deployed package if it is available.  Otherwise we have to expend even more effort resolve issues like this.
[18:20] <ahasenack> sure
[18:30] <ahasenack> samy1028b: I'm using the client on the same host, and I'm finding that I also have to pass --ssl-fips-mode=on in the client command line
[18:30] <ahasenack> but it worked, see line 22: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/2wBG8FT2tb/
[18:31] <ahasenack> without the --ssl-fips-mode on the client as well, I get
[18:31] <ahasenack> # mysql -uubuntu -p -h <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:31] <ahasenack> Enter password:
[18:31] <ahasenack> ERROR 2026 (HY000): SSL connection error: SSL_CTX_new failed
[18:51] <samy1028b> ahasenack: yup, all of that worked.  And I can now connect properly from a remote connection also via TLS.
[18:52] <samy1028b> so, with the item, do you think this is something that upstream would be interested in?
[19:24] <ahasenack> samy1028b: upstream  you mean mysql upstream, oracle?
[19:24] <ahasenack> I think in ubuntu we should at least document it, or find a way to make that experience better
[19:32] <KeeperoftheKeys> anyone familiar with debconf/unattended-upgrades?
[19:36] <samy1028b> ahasenack: not certain - I guess in Ubuntu for a documented use case in FIPS deployments would probably be best.
[19:39] <yurtesen> utkarsh2102: thanks, but I did not receive anything in CC I think
[19:54] <utkarsh2102> yurtesen: hey, you can't see the headers?
[19:57] <utkarsh2102> yurtesen: at least, I see a CC to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:06] <yurtesen> utkarsh2102L I got it now
[20:07] <ahasenack> samy1028b: I filed this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mysql-8.0/+bug/1971788
[20:08] <ahasenack> heh, sso
[20:08]  * ahasenack fixes the title
[20:09] <sarnold> heh
[20:10] <yurtesen> utkarsh2102: thanks
[20:10] <utkarsh2102> \o/
[20:10] <sarnold> hrm. I'm surprised they don't automatically switch to fips-compliant settings when booted on a fips machine, and use that setting to *disable* fips if necessary for some reason
[20:29] <samy1028b> Thank you ahasenack!


[02:38] <jbicha> http://www.techcentral.co.za/mark-shuttleworth-on-patents-tablets-and-the-future-of-ubuntu/25192/
[08:47] <stoneguy> Anyone know anything about absence of oneiric daily-lives?
[11:10]  * nlsthzn waves
[17:07] <holstein> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/holstein#Testimonials
[17:08] <holstein> i know all of you are just dying to write me an awesome testimonial for next weeks meeting :)
[17:11] <nhandler> holstein: I'm on the America's RMB, so I'll make sure they are aware of your awesome UWN work in a different way
[17:11] <holstein> nhandler: you are awesome :)
[17:12]  * holstein is quite excited about it
[17:25] <akgraner> holstein, thanks for posting the link....
[17:26] <akgraner> pleia2, When are you all showing other people the new scripts
[17:26] <akgraner> I just want to make sure I am around and plan on being online at the right time etc..:-)
[17:27] <pleia2> akgraner: I'm thinking we do it around 8PM eastern on monday
[17:27] <pleia2> (that's 5PM for me, 00:00 UTC)
[17:27] <akgraner> that will work :-)
[17:27] <pleia2> great
[17:27] <pleia2> oh wait
[17:27] <pleia2> yeah, that will work
[17:27] <akgraner> great! thanks...
[17:27] <pleia2> I am going to a baseball game but I don't have to leave until 5:30 or 6 :)
[17:28] <akgraner> No worries - Pete's in London next week so I'll have time then...
[17:29] <akgraner> pleia2, you and nhandler make putting together websites look easy...working on a new one for me and well it just makes me appreciate you all more and more. :-)
[17:31] <pleia2> practice practice :)
[17:31]  * pleia2 made her first website over 12 years ago
[17:32] <akgraner> Dang - I'm only going on year 3...
[17:33] <akgraner> I never thought I would need to scale my webpage to a full site due to various interests and stuff...heck I never thought I would have so many interests surrounding Linux etc..too cool!
[17:34] <akgraner> s/webpage/blog
[17:34] <pleia2> :)
[17:34] <pleia2> my website itself has kinda died these past few years
[17:34] <akgraner> when jono re-did his I thought now there's and idea....
[17:35] <akgraner> s/and/an even
[17:35] <holstein> im using those blogspot blogs
[17:35] <holstein> so easy to get up and easy to edit
[17:35] <akgraner> I'm modifying a wordpress theme
[17:35] <holstein> and google wants you to have good page ranking ;)
[17:35] <pleia2> oh wow, I haven't gone to his actual website in a while (just read rss feeds)
[17:35] <pleia2> this is different :)
[17:35] <akgraner> and Nick and Josh will handle the hosting and stuff for me
[17:36] <holstein> http://www.mikeholstein.info/
[17:36] <akgraner> pleia2, yeah I like the look of his...
[17:36] <holstein> not sure if thats what i'll do for the long-term
[17:36] <akgraner> don't worry jono I'm not copying yours :-P
[17:37] <akgraner> holstein, looks good though...
[17:37] <holstein> i think wordpress is slicker
[17:37] <akgraner> I <3 wordpress
[17:37] <akgraner> but that's just me :-)
[17:38] <holstein> yup... if i do something offically hosted somewhere, i'll do WP
[17:38] <holstein> maybe drupal
[17:38] <holstein> WP seemed a bit easier for me
[17:39] <akgraner> nods
[17:43]  * pleia2 now throughly unhappy with the text on her main site and needs to redo it
[17:43] <pleia2> (thanks akgraner! :P)
[17:43] <pleia2> :)
[19:11] <holstein> philipballew: may i query you to solicit a testimonial ?
[19:11] <philipballew> I would love to!
[19:11] <holstein> :)
[19:11] <holstein> actually, here it is
[19:12] <holstein> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/holstein#Testimonials
[19:12] <holstein> i dont think anyone will mind me spamming the channel again...
[19:12] <philipballew> nothing goes on here ever except weekends anyway
[19:13] <philipballew> sometime would you be able to do any sort of testimonial on mine?
[19:13] <philipballew> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/philipballew
[19:13] <holstein> philipballew: sure... to what end?
[19:14] <pleia2> yeah, you're already a member :P
[19:14] <holstein> anything in particular you are going for?
[19:14] <philipballew> there are other things pleia2 it gets looked at for also by others?
[19:14] <pleia2> typically you collect testimonals when you go for specific positions
[19:15] <pleia2> otherwise they tend to be woefully out of date by the time you actually apply, so you have to ask for them again anyway
[19:16] <philipballew> yeah, in a while I will be going for the ubuntu youth counsel position possibly. I have been helping a little more then asking on irc lately and thats picking up. later holstein I was meaning if i needed you'd do the same. haha not now
[19:17] <philipballew> about how long you think the recommendation should be for you dude!
[19:17] <holstein> nothing majore
[19:17] <holstein> major*
[19:17] <holstein> just a blip :)
[19:17] <holstein> whatever you think
[19:18] <philipballew> alright, Ill put a few sentences. what are you goin for
[19:33] <holstein> philipballew: ubuntu membership
[19:33] <holstein> next week
[19:33] <holstein> *sorry, i had a phone call...
[19:34] <philipballew> no problem. I can sit in on the meeting for you and if they want any voices or people saying. "yeah, this guy is awesome!" i can do that
[19:37] <holstein> hehe
[19:37] <holstein> philipballew: that would be great :)
[19:38] <nhandler> akgraner: The Fridge site was pretty easy since the theme was already made. I need to get around to writing up some info about myself to put on my site. I finally bought nhandler.com, but Im really only using it for a blog right now


[06:05] <quequotion> hello?
[06:05] <nhaines> quequotion: you have sucessfully joined #ubuntu-unity.
[06:06] <quequotion> I've come to ask about lp bug 1025535
[06:07] <duflu> Hi quequotion
[06:07] <quequotion> hello!
[06:09] <quequotion> I think the root of my problem is a rendering bug that affects the cube.
[06:10] <quequotion> I'm not sure if it's a rendering bug in unity or compiz, but it was suggested that it's in unity.
[06:12] <quequotion> If seeing were believing, I'd say that all windows are rendered on a side of the cube--fullscreen or otherwise--but unity is not. Unity is rendered separately, layered over the cube.
[06:14] <nhaines> quequotion: I'll say one thing, you're not going to get anyone to make the panel autohide.  :)
[06:14] <quequotion> I am well aware :)
[06:15] <nhaines> Is there a particular reason you're running Unity 6.0 on precise?
[06:16] <duflu> quequotion: That's right. Unity (the Unity Shell) is a compiz plugin that is not affected by screen transformations. So it will stay in place even when the cube is active
[06:16] <quequotion> Unity 5.16 was not available at the time, and it should have fixed this bug. My bug report is a duplicate of bug 734908 (sort of).
[06:16] <duflu> I think it's mainly designed that way so you can still use it (start apps from the launcher etc) while in expo mode (Super+S)
[06:17] <quequotion> >>duflu that's good to know. Is this the reason why I have unity on top of everything (full-screen windows, screensavers, etc)?
[06:18] <duflu> quequotion: Still don't know. But everyone else using the same Unity packages in Ubuntu 12.10 alpha seems to have no such problems
[06:19] <duflu> And the same logic backported to 5.16 is looking good. Just a little work required in Nux and Compiz for that future precise update.
[06:19] <duflu> But right now, more important things are happening... http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/multimedia/nasatv/
[06:20] <quequotion> the cube has been disabled by default, and I no one replied when I asked if they'd tested against the cube.
[06:20] <quequotion> at least, not yet.
[06:25] <quequotion> i wonder what the average IQ is on the stage...
[06:31] <MCR1> duflu, quequotion: Haha, I just wondered why the panel rendering on the cube is fixed here - then I remembered that I am running the Unity-2d-panel @ the moment :-D
[06:32] <quequotion> 2d+3d=?
[06:33] <MCR1> quequotion: Unity-2d + Compiz, yes
[06:36] <quequotion> Unity 2.5d?
[06:37] <quequotion> It seems like unity 2d has been working well for a while
[06:37] <quequotion> Someone mentioned it in a thread I started on the forum
[06:39] <quequotion> I have to get back to work, but I'll be back later. Any help is appreciated, please leave a comment on the bug if you can.
[06:50] <MCR1> duflu: Got a minute ? Hi, btw :)
[06:50] <duflu> MCR1: Yes?
[06:51] <MCR1> duflu: I need some advice how to cope with the remaining problems cppcheck detected:
[06:51] <MCR1> duflu: 1. We have a lot of scanf without field width limits can crash with huge input data. To fix this error message add a field width specifier warnings left.
[06:52] <duflu> MCR1: Yes, field widths are good
[06:53] <MCR1> duflu: ok, I just read also that the use of scanf is generally considered dangerous and is not recommended in release versions...
[06:54] <duflu> MCR1: That's probably overcautious. You can use scanf safely if you're careful
[06:55] <MCR1> duflu: ok, I'll try to fix those then with field width limits :)
[06:57] <MCR1> duflu: 2. We have a "suspicious calculation" in /plugins/animationaddon/src/polygon.cpp:459 and 2 "suspicious conditions" (assignment + comparison) in /plugins/colorfilter/src/parser.cpp:177 that can be clarified with parentheses
[06:59] <MCR1> duflu: Also a "Suspicious expression" in /plugins/place/src/place.cpp:439 - Boolean result is used in bitwise operation. The ! operator and the comparison operators have higher precedence than bitwise operators. It is recommended that the expression is clarified with parentheses.
[07:00] <duflu> MCR1: They sound like things worth cleaning up. But FYI, animationaddon and colorfilter are not being ported to GLES (compiz <IP_ADDRESS>) right now
[07:01] <MCR1> duflu: Is GLES the only future for Compiz ?
[07:01] <duflu> MCR1: Yes it is the only requirement to reach <IP_ADDRESS> right now
[07:02] <MCR1> duflu: I mean, will Compiz on desktop machines run on OpenGL ES as well in the future ?
[07:02] <duflu> MCR1: Sorry, that was confusing
[07:02] <duflu> The branch is called "gles2", but it uses plain OpenGL on desktop. And uses OpenGLES if compiled for ARM etc
[07:06] <MCR1> duflu: Then we should IMHO port all the plug-ins to be compatible with GLES sooner or later... AFAIK it is easy to turn compiling of problematic ones off in that branch.
[07:06] <MCR1> duflu: I do not want to see a "crippled" Compiz with reduced functionality - it would be a bad compromise
[07:07] <duflu> MCR1: Yes, we have ported 60-70 out of 80 already. But they won't all be done at release
[07:07] <duflu> Community contributions welcome
[07:07] <MCR1> duflu: Sure, I try my best already ;)
[07:07] <duflu> Only the plugins used by the default Unity/ubuntu profile are a priority right now
[07:08] <MCR1> Sure
[07:08] <duflu> And Ubuntu/Unity only uses 23 of the 80 plugins
[07:08]  * MCR1 already noticed that.
[07:09] <MCR1> duflu: I just can't live without all the great animations ;)
[07:10] <duflu> MCR1: I agreed with that when the project was first proposed. But there are just no resources or justification to port everything right now
[07:10] <MCR1> duflu: Ofc, I understand that.
[07:12] <MCR1> duflu: For me main priority is maximum stability, Compiz got to be rock-stable. 2nd priority is to not have to sacrifice looks or functionality in modern Compiz.
[07:13] <MCR1> duflu: Once all the suspicious stuff is cleaned up, I want to target the bugs nerving myself most.
[07:14] <MCR1> duflu: The strange thing is that some bugs are just occuring if Compiz+Unity are running together, Compiz standalone does not show many of them...
[07:15] <duflu> MCR1: Makes sense. Wanting compiz to be better was what got me started
[07:15] <MCR1> duflu: I am a C++ newbie, but I coded before and am a fast learner, so I hope I'll be able to target harder stuff soonish
[07:37] <MCR1> duflu: Do you know the reason to have a shortcut::HARDCODED_OPTION ? I mean Compiz handles shortcuts perfectly (IMO), so shouldn't those be replaced by shortcut::COMPIZ_KEY_OPTION ?
[07:38] <MCR1> sil2100: Hi :) Tried e4rat already ?
[07:41] <duflu> MCR1: Where is shortcut::HARDCODED_OPTION? Not in the compiz code...
[07:42] <MCR1> duflu: No - and probably that is the main problem.
[07:42] <duflu> Sorry, what?
[07:43] <sil2100> MCR1: hello :) No, not yet - sadly had completely no time during the weekend :(
[07:43] <MCR1> duflu: As you know there are a lot of bugs reported regarding Unity/Compiz bindings problems - I found out that the main problem is that Compiz is not aware of Unity shortcuts
[07:44] <MCR1> sil2100: Highly recommended - it will probably cut your boot time in half
[07:44] <duflu> MCR1: Yes, it's a Unity design problem. Unity intercepts key events from compiz, which was probably a bad idea.
[07:45] <MCR1> duflu: We should change that and Compiz should be in control of all the shortcuts
[07:45] <duflu> MCR1: Agreed. Please look in lp:unity for all that
[07:46] <MCR1> duflu: It would eliminate multiple problems at the same time - yes I'll take care of it (once I finished the cppcheck stuff)
[08:34] <Andy80> hi all
[08:36] <Andy80> I've one proposal for the upcoming liv events. For example this evening we will have the "Ubuntu Accomplishments" live class. There is nothing about it on G+ Ubuntu profiles and there is no event created. Why don't we try to keep the G+ profile more updated  and we create events for these lives? So people who has Ubuntu in their circles would automatically get the invitation and would not miss it. What do you think about?
[10:22] <didrocks> sil2100: hey, how are you?
[10:24] <sil2100> didrocks: hello, good thanks, how are you?
[10:27] <didrocks> sil2100: I'm fine, thanks
[10:27] <didrocks> sil2100: is the release in progress? ;)
[10:28] <sil2100> didrocks: yes ;) Testing on the way
[10:29] <didrocks> sweet \o/
[10:46] <tsdgeos> sil2100: speakin of release, these bugs never made it into a release yet? https://bugs.launchpad.net/~aacid/+assignedbugs
[10:47] <sil2100> tsdgeos: good point, there was no unity-2d release in like, forever
[10:47] <sil2100> Will try to release one this week maybe?
[10:47] <tsdgeos> up to you (or someone else)
[10:47] <tsdgeos> i haven't being doing unity-2d in a while
[10:47] <tsdgeos> just seems a "waste" to have the fixes there lying around
[10:48] <tsdgeos> but not really in users hands
[10:48] <sil2100> True, since most of the bugs are even prepared for SRU and everything
[10:48] <sil2100> didrocks, seb128: what do you think? Could I prepare an unity-2d SRU after unity quantal this week?
[10:56] <seb128> sil2100, works for me, it will probably not land before a few weeks since precise is frozen for LTS .1 at the moment, so you have time
[10:57] <sil2100> Thanks!
[11:13] <didrocks> sil2100: looks good to me :)
[11:13] <didrocks> (shower time after exercising now)
[11:20] <sil2100> It's so hot today that I don't want to even move outside ;) So I envy you didrocks
[11:23] <didrocks> sil2100: contrary here for the past 3 days, more rainy/cloudy than anything, but the sun should come back tomorrow!
[12:53] <Andy80> I try to repeat my question now that there should be more people: I've one proposal for the upcoming live events. For example this evening we will have the "Ubuntu Accomplishments" live class. There is nothing about it on G+ Ubuntu profiles and there is no event created. Why don't we try to keep the G+ profile more updated  and we create events for these lives? So people who has Ubuntu in their circles would automatically get the invitation and
[12:53] <Andy80> would not miss it. What do you think about?
[12:56] <sil2100> I don't really use G+, but this sounds like a rather good idea
[13:10] <quequotion> helllo
[13:14] <quequotion> I'm looking for help with bug 1025535
[13:18] <c10ud> quequotion, don't use unity6 in precise, i tried, i succeeded but from some specific revision on it won't work anymore
[13:18] <quequotion>  i was here some hours ago as well, and the discussion had gotten as far as this: unity is rendered independently of screen transformations, and therefore is visible while the cube is rotating or expo is enabled, etc; it is not known if this is related to my bug. No one else seems to have the same problem I do, but then no one has confirmed testing with unity-3d and compiz cube other than myself.
[13:19] <c10ud> just remove all ppas and revert unity/nux/compiz to precise's stock versions
[13:19] <quequotion> >>c10ud you have the backported repository yes? I haven't tried your packages yet.  Are they built differently or are they the same as the Quantal versions?
[13:20] <c10ud> quequotion, i deleted them as soon as i saw your bugreport mentioning my ppa :) they were just nux/unity from trunk built with precise packaging
[13:20] <c10ud> (a few minor adjustments required)
[13:21] <c10ud> i deleted them since they can break your os and make you lose time removing ppas and reverting packages
[13:21] <quequotion> I could revert the packages, but I installed them for the purpose of fixing this bug. Since the updated packages for precise are not ready yet (?) I'd come right back to where I started.
[13:21] <c10ud> did you try unity 5.14?
[13:22] <c10ud> it's in precise-proposed iirc
[13:22] <c10ud> also: if you revert compiz/nux/unity to precise-proposed ones i think there's more chance your bug will be fixed
[13:24] <quequotion> I could look through my dpkg logs, but I believe I did try .14. The strangest thing about my problem is this: although no one seems to have my issue, I have never seen a different behavior since the inception of unity.
[13:26] <c10ud> if you go back to a stock version there's more chance your issue can be reproduced --- check also compiz, try to revert to stock profile (i believe unity --reset)
[13:26] <c10ud> maybe you messed up stuff with ccsm
[13:26] <quequotion> I've been over that with Daniel van Vugt, and I know that my particular case is unsupported. I've had the same issue with all previous versions of unity, so I'm hoping to look at the issue from another angle.
[13:27] <c10ud> quequotion, you also have some weird compiz
[13:28] <quequotion> I have reverted, purged, and reinstalled numerous times.  I even tried to search the file system to hunt down strays that dpkg didn't remove.
[13:28] <quequotion> i have quantal's compiz, although perhaps a few revisions out of date now (the packages are installed manually, not from the repository)
[13:29] <c10ud> i used synaptic to revert everything back to stock
[13:29] <c10ud> but if i'm not wrong, now that i think of it i also had your issue....somewhere in time
[13:29] <c10ud> when i was running bleeding edge stuff
[13:29] <quequotion> that's a painful and risky way of reverting installs; i recommend using package pins whenever possible.
[13:30] <c10ud> quequotion, also which nvidia drivers you're using? are those NVIDIA's betas?
[13:30] <c10ud> i remember having unity showing weird glitches with those, so i reverted back to 302.17
[13:31] <quequotion> The issue was more common in the past, and at some point (pre unity 5.x i think) also affected Desktop Wall, and therefore many more users.
[13:31] <c10ud> (i have a gt240, so not really different from yours)
[13:32] <c10ud> quequotion, if you can tell me a testcase i can try and see if it works
[13:32] <quequotion> I've been through several driver versions, with the same results from all of them. I've tried the stock, proposed, and updates versions. At the moment I've got 304.32
[13:34]  * didrocks remembers when c10ud didn't trust him when I was telling that trying unity 6 on precise was risky and will be incompatible :)
[13:35] <quequotion> The basic test case is this: Use the unity-3d desktop; enable the Desktop Cube (which requires disabling the Desktop Wall); run any application that is capable of full-screen; observe that unity is displayed over the full-screen window and that input is correctly directed to the full-screen window (clicks pass through unity)
[13:35] <c10ud> quequotion, how to enable the desktop cube?
[13:35] <quequotion> >>didrocks except for this one graphical annoyance it's been really stable and performs much better than 5.x > 5.16
[13:36] <quequotion> CCSM
[13:36] <c10ud> didrocks, different thing, the guy here is running xorg-edgers with nvidia-beta along with some weird versions (duh!) :p you broke compatibility *on purpose* in order to use some c++11 weird stuff ;)
[13:36] <didrocks> quequotion: right, but the code changes we didn't backport are risky and you just experienced one corner cases when it indeed regressed with the unsupported stack, I'm sure they are tons of them
[13:37] <didrocks> c10ud: hum, we didn't use newer c++11 "stuff"
[13:37] <didrocks> compared to precise
[13:37] <c10ud> boost, sorry
[13:37] <c10ud> i've been on vacation
[13:37] <c10ud> :P
[13:37] <didrocks> right, it's not on purpose though, it's the platform moving
[13:37] <c10ud> in the end, if unity was a nice monolithic build building it for different platform wouldn't have been so difficult
[13:38] <c10ud> but you have bamf, nux, libunitywat(?) etc.
[13:38] <didrocks> c10ud: well, what's the point of having it running on platform we don't support?
[13:38] <c10ud> then it's better to stay with canonical
[13:38] <c10ud> nothing, we're hackers right? ;)
[13:38] <quequotion> When you enable the Desktop Cube, ccsm will ask you to disable Desktop Wall. Since I'm-not-really-sure-how-long-ago, this no longer requires disabling unity and transitions rather smoothly.
[13:38] <didrocks> c10ud: heh, yeah, if only there were already less bugs in what we support… ;)
[13:39] <quequotion> I installed unity 6.0 and all it's dependencies from quantal (compiz, nux, bamf, libdee, etc)
[13:39] <c10ud> i reckon lp is not that good for dismissing bugs as "not supported, won't fix" (at least, it's not comfortable for me to use :p)
[13:39] <c10ud> eheh
[13:39] <c10ud> quequotion, i'll now try what you ask
[13:40] <c10ud> quequotion, now desktop cube is enabled
[13:40] <c10ud> do i have to press something?
[13:40] <quequotion> did compiz restart smoothly?
[13:41] <quequotion> you need to open an application that full-screens
[13:41] <c10ud> i didn't restart compiz, is that needed?
[13:41] <quequotion> ie firefox (F11)
[13:41] <quequotion> compiz should restart itself when you enable the cube
[13:41] <quequotion> a video in totem would also be a good test
[13:41] <quequotion> or manually starting the screensaver
[13:41] <c10ud> quequotion, is there some key combination i can try so i see the cube is running?
[13:42] <c10ud> then i'll try firefox
[13:43] <quequotion> that's a good question... I don't know if there's a way to explicitly verify that specific compiz plugins are loaded/active, but I usually test the cube by switching viewports.
[13:44] <c10ud> i am sorry but i don't know how to do that (duh!) i'm trying to search in ccsm
[13:44] <c10ud> but if you tell me the defaults.. ;p
[13:45] <c10ud> looks like i am the only one that *never* tried compiz' cube
[13:47] <quequotion> well, it's going to dirty this test a little, but i don't know another way than enabling the Rotate Cube extension. then you can use CTRL+ALT+Left/Right to rotate viewports left or right.
[13:48] <c10ud> quequotion, ok i see something is rotating
[13:49] <quequotion> note that your desktop may not actually be very cubish, but two flat panels that will rotate (like a coin) this should be  irrelevant to the bug.
[13:49] <c10ud> yes exactly
[13:50] <c10ud> quequotion, f11 firefox doesn't show the bug you reported, i'll now try with a full screen video
[13:50] <c10ud> fullscreen totem, no artifacts or anything
[13:50] <quequotion> no unity panel whatsoever in fullscreen?
[13:51] <c10ud> nope
[13:52] <c10ud> looks like didrocks wins, heh
[13:52] <c10ud> but you really have too much bleeding edge stuff
[13:53] <quequotion> I know this, but even without all the bleeding edge stuff I was having the same behavior.
[13:53] <c10ud> quequotion, probably it was fixed with 5.14
[13:54] <c10ud> i just have precise-proposed/updates, etc. + https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates/
[13:54] <c10ud> xorg edgers is just too edgy
[13:55] <c10ud> i don't know what you need from edgers or unity6, i needed performance improvements, but now that i convinced (?) the guys here to include it in 5.16 i'm good with stock+xswat
[13:56] <quequotion> I needed unity 6 for this bug and xorg-edgers for improvements in the nvidia drivers.
[13:57] <c10ud> the nvidia betas usually don't show improvements unless you mean bugs (here it was missing gl calls (!))
[13:57] <quequotion> yes, bug fixes.
[13:57] <c10ud> anyway, i did this test for you, now you decide
[13:58] <quequotion> thank you. i guess it means another full purge, reversion and reinstall. having done this before, I'm curious what I should do if it does not work?
[13:59] <c10ud> file a bug! :D
[13:59] <quequotion> lol
[13:59] <quequotion> launchpad has probably had quite enough of my ranting for now.
[13:59] <c10ud> double check with synaptic for bad packages (i saw some compiz ones survived the downgrade)
[14:00] <quequotion> oh?
[14:00] <c10ud> dunno if they were used or anything, they just were there (i'm talking about my experiments)
[14:00] <quequotion> ah
[14:01] <quequotion> i thought you meant from my dpkg log in the bug report.
[14:01] <c10ud> nope, i didn't read that, i just saw nvidia beta, compiz trunk and unity6...that was enough :P
[14:01] <quequotion> i used apt-pinning to downgrade before. the documentation is spotty to say the least, but it's a fairly sound method
[14:02] <c10ud> i'd just remove ppas and reinstall stuff
[14:02] <quequotion> check later in the bug report. I went all the way back to stock, baring the packages directly related to the bug report (unity and dependencies)
[14:02] <c10ud> but i'm not really a dpkg xpert
[14:03] <quequotion> i doubt that most anyone is, since the documentation is out-of-date and incomplete.
[14:05] <quequotion> i suppose I'll get to work cooking up another batch of /etc/apt/preferences.d/downgrades
[14:09] <c10ud> quequotion, if you already tried downgrading unity and friends i wouldn't trust xorgedgers and nvidia
[14:23] <quequotion> i previously downgraded xorgedgers and other ppas.
[14:24] <quequotion> I have also downgraded unity, but I'll give it another try and make sure everything is back to stock + proposed this time.
[15:10] <sil2100> Trevinho, andyrock: did you guys try running quantal unity-team staging?
[15:11] <Trevinho> sil2100: no, sorry...
[15:11] <sil2100> Trevinho, andyrock: is it only me, or is the launcher strangely broken?
[15:11] <sil2100> Maybe related to bamf
[15:11] <sil2100> Since when I open up any application, it doesn't appear on the launcher
[15:12] <sil2100> Icons when pressed blink much much longer
[15:12] <Trevinho> sil2100: is your bamfdaemon running?
[15:12] <sil2100> And the arrows only update 'once in a while'
[15:12] <Trevinho> mh, so... well, yes it seems something related to libbamf / bamfdaemon
[15:12] <sil2100> Trevinho: but I noticed, that when I switch workspaces, then the icons get updated (arrows and icons)
[15:13] <Trevinho> sil2100: mhmhm... well yes, it could be signal issue... maybe similar to the one that u-p-s had with the new dbus
[15:15] <didrocks> Trevinho: shouldn't be the same dbus eavesdrop issue. Otherwise, we would have it in quantal
[15:15] <didrocks> (and we don't)
[15:15] <Trevinho> didrocks: ah, right... so it's not :)
[15:15] <sil2100> Trevinho: do you have a quantal machine somewhere?
[15:16] <Trevinho> sil2100: I need to prepare one, but I won't be able to do it until Friday...
[15:22] <sil2100> Trevinho: but could you somehow try working on this? Since, if this is confirmed on other systems, it essentially blocks the release
[15:23] <Trevinho> sil2100: ok, I'll give that a try
[15:25] <sil2100> Trevinho: thanks!
[15:36] <quequotion> pins in place, beginning downgrade
[16:53] <quequotion> I'm back, with unity 5.14.0, all packages downgraded to stock + proposed + x-swat-x-updates (as advised).. no change. unity panel still visible across the top in all full-screen applications...
[16:59] <c10ud> quequotion, purge the beta driver
[17:28] <quequotion> i did
[17:29] <quequotion> i could go one more step, and purge x-swat-x-updates, but you weren't having any trouble with this ppa.
[19:28] <Kyshtynbai> Hi guys! Are there any ways to make compiz scale plugin to show all windows in all desktops?
[20:59] <johnjohn101> when will unity support the old compiz snow plugin?