[01:04] <favro> when I first watch a movie in fullscreen all's ok but if I go out of fullscreen then back to fullscreen xfce4-panel is visible - how can I make that not happen
[01:24] <jals> does compiz work on xubuntu?
[01:24] <favro> yep it does
[01:24] <favro> !compiz
[01:27] <jals> so i was on kubuntu, but i installed and am now using xfce, if i want to switch permanently can i just remove kde or do i need to install xubuntu-desktop and remove kubuntu-desktop and stuff like that?
[01:28] <favro> !purexfce
[01:31] <jals> thanks favro, you're very helpful
[01:31] <favro> np :)
[01:35] <jals> yeah i'm not entirely sure i want to do that juts yet, but just so i know
[01:40] <jals> hmm i tried to run compiz and it appears to have reverted back to kde
[01:40] <jals> kwin i mean
[01:41] <favro> try alt+F2  compiz --replace
[01:41] <jals> yeah i did
[01:42] <civixier> hi ppl! i just installed xubuntu on my aspire one, and everything is running fine. but this annoying window about my non-open atheros wlan driver keeps popping up, what should I do to enable the drivers and get rid of the window?
[01:46] <favro> jals: see if this helps - http://xubuntublog.wordpress.com/2007/12/09/xubuntu-compiz-pretty-pretty-xubuntu/
[01:50] <john__> that's the link i was using :(
[01:50] <john__> i've had issues with compiz in kubuntu
[01:50] <john__> back when i used gnome it worked fine
[02:50] <john__> if i do remove kubuntu is that likely to improve performance any apart from freeing disk space?
[02:57] <cody-somerville> maybe
[03:34] <evillizard436> I'd just like to thank you guys for making this Amazing distro way better than the GNOME version im never going back can't wait till 8.10 great work :D
[03:38] <cody-somerville> :)
[03:38] <Genelyk> day bugs xubuntu :D
[03:38] <john__> yeah have to say i've only been using a few days but i dig it
[04:04] <ronnnn> 3C
[04:46] <filipegatti_> how can i kill a process from terminal?
[06:01] <protocol1> can I get some help with something someone plz?
[07:02] <magnetron> hi! i am running ubuntu 8.04 with the xubuntu-desktop package. when i am in xfce, i have no sound in some apps (like rhythmbox and totem). i tried to "sudo /etc/init.d/pulseaudio restart", but no response or success at all. how do i get sound?
[07:11] <excalibas> hello, my xubuntu just went crazy, I lost my program lauchers configurations and firefox is acting crazy, please help me
[07:20] <excalibas> please help, I dont know what to do
[07:25] <excalibas> please help, my xubuntu just went crazy I lost some desktop settings and firefox isnt working right (bookmarks are gone), this just happened for no reason please help
[07:26] <excalibas> xfce is not working right too, if i press the quit button now it just says "exit xfce pannel? cancel quit) insteat of the usual
[08:36] <pod_> hey folks, testing alpha 6 here, upgraded a few packages with synaptic, now mouse takes 3 scrolls to go right to left. what controls mouse resolution?
[08:47] <S_A> Hi! I am looking forward to use xubuntu as my base distro for a thin client installation. My main purpose it to get everything running within 500 MB. (no open office or other flashy apps, no compiler etc. only firefox). How should i go about it. any suggestions ?
[08:50] <zoredache> start with a cli install and just install the packages you want
[08:51] <S_A> zoredache: You mean with mini.iso ?
[08:51] <S_A> i checked with alternate iso there was not cli option ?
[08:51] <nnull> anyone tell me what im doing wrong here? "sudo cp /home/username/Sounds/Borealis /usr/share/sounds"
[08:52] <zoredache> I thought there was, but maybe not.  I know you can select things in expert mode
[08:52] <mirex> is 'sounds' directory ? if it is, add slash / at the end
[08:52] <mirex> nnull: ^
[08:52] <nnull> oh ok
[08:53] <nnull> keeps ommiting mirex
[08:53] <zoredache> the mini.iso would be fine to...  Anyeone instead of installing xubuntu-desktop you'll probably have to install the bits and pieces you want
[08:53] <mirex> oh it would be great, if in Ubuntu installer you could select programs which you want to install ...
[08:53] <nnull> i tried with a / at the end of bor and sounds
[08:54] <nnull> whats ommiting directory mean
[08:54] <mirex> nnull: try only putting it at sounds
[08:55] <nnull> mirex¬ i did :x
[08:55] <nnull> same ommitting directory error
[08:55] <zoredache> nnull: is Borealis a file or a directory?
[08:55] <nnull> Directory!
[08:56] <nnull> ?
[08:56] <zoredache> cp doesn't copy directories by default... try adding a '-r'
[08:56] <nnull> ah ok
[08:57] <nnull> that worked thankyou :)
[08:57] <zoredache> S_A: 500mb should be pretty easy thoug.... the livecd fits on a single cd
[08:58] <S_A> zoredache: I am talking about 500MB space on my flash drive. AFAIK live cd is a compressed one.
[08:59] <zoredache> yes, so compress the filesystem on the flashdrive? You mentioned thinclient so I figured you didn't need the enviroment to be persistant
[08:59] <nnull> you cant boot from USB on old p3 600 machines huh?
[09:00] <zoredache> if that is the case you basically just need to custimze a live enviroment
[09:00] <S_A> zoredache: I an talking about thin client only which has native firefox and a very lite window manager.
[09:01] <S_A> zoredache: Mt thin client boots from pxe only
[09:01] <S_A> zoredache: I mean this thin cleint boots from pxe only (no USB booting as of now)
[09:02] <zoredache> but you should be able to put the files from the livecd onto your nfs/tftp server and boot
[09:03] <zoredache> I am almost certain I saw a section in the caspar config about mounting root from a squashfs hosted on a nfs server
[09:05] <S_A> zoredache: hmm. Thanks for the inputs. I am trying now. shall trouble you more as soon as i am stuck
[09:28] <favro> if I start a video in fullscreen all's ok but if I go out of fullscreen then back to fullscreen xfce-panel is visible - how can I make that not happen?
[09:38] <ronnnn>
[10:05] <dmh65> what is xubuntu like with ati video cards?
[10:06] <dmh65> can I use the driver from ati?
[10:06] <dmh65> just like in ubuntu proper
[10:06] <dmh65> !ati
[10:07] <favro> dmh65: yep - xubuntu uses the same base as ubuntu
[10:07] <dmh65> cool
[10:07] <favro> it is :)
[10:08] <dmh65> life has never been the same after SuSE 9
[10:08] <dmh65> just cannot settle with a distro
[10:09] <favro> you just need to break your cd drive then :)
[10:09] <dmh65> tried to install SuSE 9 and my new pc told me to get lost
[10:09] <dmh65> :)
[10:17] <dmh65> anyone know what the google logo is for the uk site today?
[10:18] <knome> uhh?
[10:18] <dmh65> thats what I thought
[10:18] <knome> google.co.uk -> no special logo
[10:18] <dmh65> uhh, I have
[10:19] <dmh65> ah, its the doodle for google thing
[10:20] <dmh65> its the winners effort
[10:20] <knome> hmnmkay
[11:00] <favro> if I start a video in fullscreen all's ok but if I go out of fullscreen then back to fullscreen xfce-panel is visible - how can I make that not happen?
[11:02] <favro> it's hemaroidal
[11:07] <kahnoie> does anybody know of exploring samba share over the network on xubuntu
[11:08] <kahnoie> i installed fusesmb but it still doesnt work
[11:09] <favro> I think it is smb:///path/to/share
[11:09] <Myrtti> !fusesmb
[11:10] <kahnoie> i tired like smb://<IP_ADDRESS>:/backup
[11:10] <kahnoie> i tired like smb://<IP_ADDRESS>:/samba/backup
[11:10] <kahnoie> but it didnt work
[11:10] <favro> sounds like the path is wrong
[11:11] <kahnoie> smbclient -L localhost or smbclient -L <IP_ADDRESS> give session setup failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE
[11:11] <nnull> whats the : after the 1 for ?
[11:11] <mirex> kahnoie: I was doing that two weeks ago. I found some easy how-to, which auto-mounts my network to my /mount/network/ . so whenever I wander through that folder I see whole network. Problem is, that I can browse only non-secured shared directories.
[11:12] <nnull> i find there are some shares i cant get working in Xorg but can with smbclient :s makes me want to make a front end for smbclient
[11:12] <kahnoie> or sorry that was by mistake
[11:12] <kahnoie> its not there its 4.1/<path>
[11:12] <mirex> kahnoie: try some of these: http://www.google.com/search?q=xubuntu+how+to+browse+network
[11:15] <kahnoie>  sudo mount <IP_ADDRESS>:/samba/IT_backup /mnt/IT_backup/  gives an error
[11:15] <kahnoie> mount.nfs: mount to NFS server 'rpcbind' failed: RPC Error: Program not registered
[11:15] <kahnoie> mount.nfs: internal error
[11:16] <kahnoie> i restart the machine and i also tried restarting rpcbind service
[11:17] <kahnoie> pls reply here mirec
[11:19] <mirex> have you looked through those articles I posted a link to ?
[11:19] <kahnoie> yes..im going through some of them now...
[11:20] <kahnoie> the best post is here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=304131&page=2  but still it didnt help as yet
[11:20] <mirex> so do that now. I think I followed http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=304131&highlight=xubuntu
[11:21] <mirex> then, first double check if you did every step correctly
[11:21] <mirex> if it won't work anyhow, then try another of those articles
[11:22] <kahnoie> ok..thanks..let me try it now
[11:26] <kahnoie> for step 7 can i add an application like fusesmb <IP_ADDRESS>:/samba/backup  (this is the machine im going to mount the folder from)
[11:30] <mirex> what about the ':' ? it should not be ther IMHO
[11:31] <mirex> and step 7 says that you should put there name of your local directory used as mount point
[11:31] <mirex> try to follow exactly each step, and use '/media/network' just as they say.
[11:31] <kahnoie> ok
[12:03] <dmh65> shiney new xubuntu
[12:04] <favro> it looks good in blue :)
[12:04] <dmh65> feels cold :)
[12:05] <favro> I don't try to feel it up :)
[12:05] <dmh65> just getting some updates, 87 of em
[12:06] <dmh65> my ubuntu64 does 267 when fresh installed these days
[12:06] <favro> alot of people work hard to keep it good
[12:06] <favro> might be time for a new iso maybe..
[12:07] <dmh65> I have dsl so its not too bad
[12:07] <favro> I found dsl was limited in it's packages - but it works fine
[12:08] <dmh65> dsl as in adsl
[12:08] <favro> ohh
[12:08] <dmh65> :)
[12:13] <dmh65> not used thunderbird in a while
[12:13] <favro> it's my only mail client
[12:14] <dmh65> mine too now I expect
[12:23] <dmh65> surprised xubuntu doesnot use iceweasel actually
[12:23] <dmh65> reboot
[12:34] <dmh65> I have compiz installed and the ati driver but I dont seem to have effects
[12:34] <dmh65> maybe on next boot
[12:34] <favro> !compiz
[12:35] <dmh65> never a problem in Ubuntu
[12:35] <dmh65> must be something simple
[12:49] <Sakura> Hi, I just installed xubuntu on my laptop but I can't change the screen resolution to 1024x768 (stuck in 800x600). I've already checked ubuntu forums but none of the suggestions have worked for me
[12:50] <favro> does displatconfig-gtk list your monitor?
[12:50] <favro> you may need sudo
[12:52] <Sakura> yes, I want to set it to lcd panel 1024x768 but it always remains as plug & play
[12:53] <Sakura> my graphics card is S3 supersavage, it won't show the driver so I went for savage (generic) but it remained the same
[12:54] <favro>  displatconfig-gtk lists monitors - is yours in the list?
[12:55] <Sakura> no
[12:56] <dmh65> what client do people use in xbuntu for ssh
[12:56] <dmh65> gui
[12:57] <TheSheep> dmh65: ssh doesn't have gui
[12:57] <TheSheep> dmh65: you can use putty if you really want
[12:57] <dmh65> ok
[12:58] <favro> Sakura: you may need to manually set the resolution in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:58] <TheSheep> dmh65: but usually you just open a terminal and type  ssh hostname
[13:01] <Sakura> under section "screen"?
[13:01] <favro> yep
[13:02] <Sakura> what do I change?
[13:02] <favro> Sakura: SubSection "Display"
[13:02] <favro> 		Depth		24
[13:02] <favro> 		Modes		"1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[13:02] <favro> 	EndSubSection
[13:02] <favro> is what I have
[13:02] <dmh65> Sakura: just leave 1024x768 and get rid of the rest
[13:03] <Sakura> I don't have any of this
[13:03] <Sakura> section "screen"
[13:03] <Sakura> identifier "default screen"
[13:03] <Sakura> monitor "configured monitor"
[13:03] <favro> you have to add it with the way X is now
[13:04] <favro> imo it is less than freindly the way it has evolved
[13:05] <Sakura> ok so, where do I write those values? at the beginning of the section or before endsection?
[13:05] <dmh65> put your xorg.conf file on pastebin
[13:06] <Sakura> yeah thought about it
[13:06] <dmh65> lets see what we are dealing with
[13:06] <dmh65> you should back it up as well I suppose
[13:07] <dmh65> cuz if you mess it up you will have a lovely black or white screen :)
[13:07] <Sakura> that would be nice :p
[13:08] <Sakura> ok done
[13:08] <favro> url?
[13:09] <dmh65> happened to me lots, I got good at blindly opening a term and going to a folder, deleting the file I messed up and renaming the bkpup
[13:09] <Sakura> url? saved a copy on my documents
[13:10] <favro> thought there was a pastebin coming
[13:10] <dmh65> just save as xorg.conf2
[13:11] <Sakura> oh, sorry this is not the laptop i'm working in
[13:11] <dmh65> all you have to do is delete and rename if it goes tits up
[13:11] <dmh65> save as :)
[13:11] <Sakura> ok
[13:12] <dmh65> so you still have xorg.conf
[13:12] <Sakura> favro, you meant showing here the contents of my xorg.conf?
[13:13] <favro> yep
 put your xorg.conf file on pastebin
[13:14] <dmh65> ok
[13:14] <dmh65> just trying to open it
[13:14] <favro> that was a quote :)
[13:14] <dmh65> what editor is installed
[13:14] <dmh65> lol
[13:15] <favro> I'm having a chuckle
[13:15] <Sakura> yeah but i have to copy from another computer
[13:15] <Sakura> i'm using abiword, is that ok? it was the default
[13:15] <favro> we know how basic the xorg.conf is so it's not really necessary
[13:16] <Sakura> it's no big deal, just give me a min
[13:20] <sakura_> favro,dmh65 it's me, i'm connected from the laptop now
[13:20] <favro> I right click a text file and select open with other other app and select mousepad just to speed things up
[13:21] <dmh65> just looked at mine, he is right there are no resolutions
[13:21] <sakura_> # xorg.conf (X.Org X Window System server configuration file) # # This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using # values from the debconf database. # # Edit this file with caution, and see the xorg.conf manual page. # (Type "man xorg.conf" at the shell prompt.) # # This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades *only* # if it has not been...
[13:21] <sakura_> ...modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xorg # package. # # If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated # again, run the following command: #   sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg  Section "InputDevice" 	Identifier	"Generic Keyboard" 	Driver		"kbd" 	Option		"XkbRules"	"xorg" 	Option		"XkbModel"	"pc105" 	Option		"XkbLayout"	"es" EndSection ...
[13:21] <sakura_> ...Section "InputDevice" 	Identifier	"Configured Mouse" 	Driver		"mouse" 	Option		"CorePointer" EndSection  Section "InputDevice" 	Identifier	"Synaptics Touchpad" 	Driver		"synaptics" 	Option		"SendCoreEvents"	"true" 	Option		"Device"		"/dev/psaux" 	Option		"Protocol"		"auto-dev" 	Option		"HorizEdgeScroll"	"0" EndSection  Section "Device" 	Identifier	"Configured Video Device" 	Driver		"vesa"...
[13:21] <favro> the new way X works there won't be any options listed
[13:21] <sakura_> ...EndSection  Section "Monitor" 	Identifier	"Configured Monitor" EndSection  Section "Screen" 	Identifier	"Default Screen" 	Monitor		"Configured Monitor" 	Device		"Configured Video Device" EndSection  Section "ServerLayout" 	Identifier	"Default Layout" 	Screen		"Default Screen" 	InputDevice	"Synaptics Touchpad" EndSection
[13:21] <dmh65> oooh
[13:21] <favro> !paste
[13:21] <dmh65> lol
[13:22] <favro> Sakura: ^^
[13:22] <dmh65> I have been kicked for less :)
[13:22] <sakura_> oops ^^'
[13:23] <sakura_> sorry about that
[13:23] <favro> xubuntu is quieter so more tolerant - I wouldn't do it twice tho
[13:23] <dmh65> I just have a lot of the word 'configured' in my xorg.conf , configured where?
[13:24] <sakura_> what do you mean?
[13:24] <favro> the new X is set to configure at every boot - I manually set my xorg.conf so I get the options I want
[13:24] <dmh65> same as mine, what video card do you have
[13:25] <favro> I use a backed up gutsy xorg
[13:25] <sakura_> S3
[13:25] <dmh65> is there a driver for it?
[13:25] <favro> that's via?
[13:26] <favro> lspci | grep VGA will tell
[13:27] <sakura_> yeah it's s3 supersavage IX/C SDR
[13:27] <favro> via has poor linux support unfortunately
[13:27] <sakura_> but it doesn't show on driver options, I was only able to choose a generic s3 savage driver
[13:28] <dmh65> http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=s3+supersavage+IX%2FC+SDR+%2Bubuntu&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
[13:29] <dmh65> xserver-xorg-video-savage
[13:30] <favro> sudo apt-get install
[13:30] <dmh65> go for it
[13:30] <favro> or it might be there already
[13:31] <dmh65> sakura what you doing
[13:32] <sakura_> I tried before with sudo apt-get install s3-settings
[13:32] <sakura_> it was a suggestion on the forum with a similar problem
[13:32] <dmh65> sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-savage
[13:33] <dmh65> see what happens
[13:33] <sakura_> it says it is already the newest version
[13:33] <dmh65> ok
[13:33] <dmh65> just needs to be configured then
[13:33] <sakura_> on xorg.conf?
[13:34] <dmh65> doesnt look like
[13:34] <dmh65> Default Screen" Monitor"Configured Monitor" Device"Configured Video Device"
[13:35] <dmh65> but where?
[13:35] <sakura_> what do you mean 'where'
[13:35] <dmh65> do a ls in the X11 folder
[13:35] <dmh65> exactly, where?
[13:37] <sakura_> ls?
[13:37] <TheSheep> maybe running  sudo displayconfig-gtk   will help? :)
[13:37] <TheSheep> and then setting the right settings there
[13:38] <sakura_> thanks thesheep, that was the first thing I tried but it didn't work
[13:38] <favro> the monitor isn't listed
[13:39] <sakura_> how can I do ls?
[13:39] <dmh65> sakura ls shows what files are in the folder
[13:39] <dmh65> like dir in windows
[13:40] <sakura_> iknow, I remember it was like DOS but i can't get to it
[13:40] <dmh65> in a term that is
[13:40] <dmh65> cd /etc/X11
[13:40] <dmh65> ls
[13:40] <dmh65> ls -a will show hidden files
[13:41] <sakura_> that's what I'm doing but it says no such file or directory
[13:41] <dmh65> not x11
[13:41] <dmh65> X11
[13:42] <sakura_> d'oh ¬¬'
[13:42] <dmh65> :)
[13:42] <dmh65> probably a red herring
[13:42] <dmh65> I expect you need to find where the driver is
[13:44] <dmh65> joy heh!
[13:44] <sakura_> heh
[13:45] <sakura_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/52830/
[13:45] <dmh65> you could try to uninstall the driver, boot and then install again etc
[13:46] <sakura_> just in case, i didn't install any driver to begin with
[13:46] <sakura_> those were my defaults
[13:47] <dmh65> did you backup those xorg.confs?
[13:48] <sakura_> yes, but I haven't done any changes to it yet
[13:50] <sakura_> I didn't understand at all where was I supposed to set the values that favro said
[13:50] <dmh65> he had something else in mind
[13:50] <favro> in the screen section - just make a new line
[13:52] <sakura_> right under section? or it does't matter if it's the first or third line of the section?
[13:52] <dmh65> Mode "1024x768"
[13:52] <dmh65> hangon
[13:53] <sakura_> if it's not too much asking, could I get a pastebin of the way the section is supposed to look like?
[13:54] <favro> sure
[13:54] <dmh65> http://vinux.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/xorgconf.png
[13:54] <sakura_> thanks
[13:54] <dmh65> Modes <tab> "1024x768"
[13:55] <sakura_> ok
[13:56] <dmh65> should prove to be a disaster :)
[13:56] <sakura_> I see I have no data for depth and display
[13:56] <favro> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/52836/
[13:56] <dmh65> put depth as well then
[13:57] <sakura_> depth 24?
[13:58] <dmh65> safer at 16
[13:58] <dmh65> :)
[13:58] <sakura_> ok
[13:59] <sakura_> this is what I've done http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/52838/
[13:59] <dmh65> looks alright
[14:00] <dmh65> dont forget to save
[14:00] <sakura_> Writing error when attempting to save /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[14:00] <dmh65> your not root
[14:00] <dmh65> :)
[14:00] <dmh65> you need to use an editor not abiword
[14:00] <sakura_> oh right
[14:01] <sakura_> how do I open it as root?
[14:01] <dmh65> su gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf or whatever
[14:01] <dmh65> what editor is installed in xubuntu?
[14:02] <dmh65> I only installed a few hours ago
[14:02] <vinnl> Mousepad
[14:02] <sakura_> mousepad?
[14:02] <sakura_> yeah
[14:02] <vinnl> So "sudo mousepad /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[14:06] <sakura_> ok done. reboot?
[14:07] <dmh65> go for it :)
[14:07] <favro> ctrl+alt+bkspace is all that is neede
[14:07] <favro> *d
[14:08] <vinnl> Too late xD
[14:08] <dmh65> looks like he has gone for the boot, wont do any harm :)
[14:08] <favro> I tried :)
[14:08] <Sakura> I already knew that:p
[14:08] <dmh65> me too
[14:08] <favro> hehe
[14:09] <Sakura> now there's a window saying "ubuntu is running in low-graphics mode"
[14:09] <Sakura> your screen and graphics card could not be detected correctly :(
[14:09] <dmh65> looks like what you added is conflicting somewhere
[14:10] <Sakura> "to use higher resolutions, visual effects of multiple screens, you have to configure the display yourself"
[14:10] <favro> what did you end up with in xorg.conf? - I missed that
[14:10] <Sakura> isn't it what i've been trying to do all this time? ¬¬'
[14:10] <dmh65> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/52838/
[14:10] <Sakura> yep
[14:10] <dmh65> try the screen rez in settings now
[14:11] <dmh65> Device		"Configured Video Device"
[14:11] <dmh65> but where?
[14:11] <Sakura> something's been bothering me, no matter what I do changing screen and graphics card settings, they won't change at all
[14:12] <dmh65> thats what you need to find
[14:12] <dmh65> let me see if I can find mine
[14:13] <favro> I think you need to name the driver to be used
[14:13] <favro> in device
[14:14] <Sakura> like, Device         "S3 whatever blah blah"?
[14:14] <dmh65> run this  sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[14:17] <dmh65> look at this https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2007-October/127842.html
[14:17] <dmh65> Device		"S3 Inc. SuperSavage IX/C SDR"
[14:18] <sakura_> ok
[14:18] <dmh65> copy the section screen but just put 1024x768
[14:19] <dmh65> if that fails then retore a backup
[14:19] <dmh65> I think your almost there
[14:20] <sakura_> hey my xorg.conf now looks like If such changes never took place
[14:21] <sakura_> is it possible it reverted at startup?
[14:21] <dmh65> is that because you ran that command
[14:22] <sakura_> which command?
[14:23] <dmh65> sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[14:23] <sakura_> lol maybe, no idea
[14:23] <favro> if you run  sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg it will revert to having nothing listed for any options
[14:24] <dmh65> try it now, see if you get a chance to add some details
[14:24] <dmh65> I will try it in mine
[14:24] <sakura_> yes I did
[14:24] <sakura_> well I added the screen res, depth and now the device
[14:24] <dmh65> well it restored it
[14:24] <sakura_> i see
[14:24] <dmh65> ok, make sure you save
[14:25] <sakura_> ok here I go again
[14:25] <favro> and back it up
[14:26] <dmh65> trying mine
[14:26] <jals> hi, i have a kubuntu setup but have been testing out xfce lately, but for some reason this morning whenever i attempt to login to xfce it crashes back to KDM
[14:26] <jals> only thing i can think i've changed is plugging in a new usb keyboard
[14:28] <dmh65> alors c'est bon?
[14:29] <Sakura> snif, non
[14:29] <dmh65> lol
[14:29] <dmh65> what happened
[14:29] <Sakura> nothing
[14:29] <Sakura> same old, same old
[14:29] <dmh65> low graphics still?
[14:30] <sakura_> yes
[14:30] <dmh65> just restore one of the backup files
[14:30] <dmh65> its annoying heh
[14:31] <dmh65> has the laptop had its good rez with any other distros?
[14:31] <Sakura> it's the first distro I'm trying
[14:32] <favro> Sakura: can you paste the xorg.conf that was closest to working?
[14:32] <favro> !paste
[14:32] <Sakura> some time ago I installed kubuntu with wubi but I was unable to configure my belkin wireless card so I uninstalled it
[14:34] <sakura_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/52847/
[14:34] <dmh65> I would take a look here also for a_driver.so    /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/
[14:36] <sakura_> there's an s3_drv.so and savage_drv.so
[14:36] <dmh65> not sure if you can look at them
[14:37] <sakura_> there's no recommended application to open it with
[14:37] <dmh65> your driver is down as vesa
[14:38] <favro> Sakura: try this - http://paste.ubuntu.com/52849/
[14:38] <sakura_> vesa?
[14:38] <dmh65> you need to put your device in there I would think
[14:38] <favro> yep
[14:38] <dmh65> vesa is giving you a basic 800+600
[14:38] <favro> via is a hemaroid to linux
[14:39] <dmh65> lol
[14:39] <sakura_> i see
[14:39] <favro> you haven't been setting the default depth
[14:39] <maxamillion> actually favro is mistaken, VIA is the most linux supportive hardware manufacturer in existence at the moment
[14:39] <dmh65> also, your spanish, that might be a factor :)
[14:40] <sakura_> ¬¬'
[14:40] <favro> not from this end but I would be more than happy to be wrong
[14:40] <maxamillion> VIA's Chrome chipsets have the best kernel framebuffer support of any chipset purely because the company wrote the drivers, open sourced them and sent them upstream to the kernel
[14:41] <favro> and the non chrome chipstes/
[14:41] <sakura_> so... do I change it or I leave it as it is?
[14:41] <dmh65> sakura, where it says driver, it needs to be your device name and not visa
[14:41] <maxamillion> oh yeah ... then you're screwed :/
[14:41] <dmh65> all should be ok then
[14:41] <maxamillion> ok, so VIA loves *and* hates linux
[14:41] <maxamillion> o.O;
[14:41] <maxamillion> >.>
[14:41]  * maxamillion wonders off
[14:41] <dmh65> but whats the correct device name?
[14:41] <dmh65> S3
[14:42] <dmh65> Savage
[14:42] <dmh65> ??
[14:42] <favro> maxamillion: there's wonder and wander :)
[14:42] <maxamillion> favro: i'll do both then ;)
[14:43] <sakura_> S3 Supersavage IX/C SDR
[14:43] <dmh65> looks a bit big
[14:43] <favro> hehe I didn't know about the chrome support - thanks for that :)
[14:43] <favro> maxamillion: ^^
[14:44] <favro> I have a certain bias
[14:44] <dmh65> driver is "savage"
[14:45] <sakura_> O_o
[14:45] <dmh65> Identifier "S3 Inc. SuperSavage IX/C SDR"
[14:45] <dmh65>         Driver "savage"
[14:46] <favro> vesa should support 1024x768 for any chip
[14:46] <favro> *should*
[14:46] <dmh65> this is sakuras laptop dont forget :)
[14:47] <favro> hehe
[14:47] <favro> hence the **
[14:47] <dmh65> I have to take my dog for a walk soon so I hope it works for him this time
[14:48] <Sakura> her, please :p
[14:48] <dmh65> ah
[14:48] <dmh65> haha
[14:48] <dmh65> the penny drops
[14:49] <dmh65> dont tell me you drive as well ;)
[14:49] <sakura_> hehe
[14:49] <favro> xorg doesn't respect sex or orientation
[14:49] <sakura_> ok saved, wish me luck
[14:49] <favro> luck
[14:49] <dmh65> go for it
[14:51] <dmh65> blackscreen of death maybe?
[14:51] <Sakura> ok i'm seriously thinking i'll embrace 800x600 heaven
[14:52] <Sakura> fortunately, no black screen so far
[14:52] <dmh65> try a different rez in settings now
[14:52] <favro> Sakura: maybe try the vesa driven xorg.conf I pasted?
[14:52]  * dmh65 is an optimistic soul
[14:52] <Sakura> i did
[14:52] <favro> optimism ftw
[14:53] <Sakura> but the driver shown in the config window is still vesa
[14:53] <dmh65> its not saving
[14:53] <Sakura> i made sure i saved it
[14:53] <favro> it should be with that xorg.conf...
[14:53] <jals> could changing keyboards cause xfce to fail to start?
[14:53] <Sakura> i closed it and opened it again and it was saved
[14:53] <dmh65> that last one with the device name and identifier shoild have sorted it in my opinion
[14:53] <favro> the one I pasted
[14:53] <dmh65> *should
[14:54] <favro> listen to dmh65
[14:55] <sakura_> that's the one I used
[14:56] <favro> as an exersize what does  lspci | grep VGA return - I might have missed it if it was reported earlier
[14:57] <sakura_> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. SuperSavage IX/C SDR (rev 05)
[14:58] <sakura_> now when I tried again to change the driver on preferences, this was shown on terminal http://paste.ubuntu.com/52858/
[14:59] <sakura_> it's the same if I click 'ok' or 'test'
[14:59] <favro> lots in google for that card
[14:59] <sakura_> but even after hitting ok, my choice isn't savd
[15:00] <sakura_> saved*
[15:00] <dmh65> ok?
[15:00] <dmh65> you should be in a terminal
[15:00] <sakura_> on the screen and graphics preferences window
[15:00] <dmh65> as root
[15:01] <dmh65> sudo mousepad /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[15:01] <dmh65> then edit it and save
[15:01] <favro> is it an BM T23 Thinkpad.?
[15:02] <sakura_> I am, I was trying again with sudo displaycongif-gtk
[15:02] <dmh65> keep at it, worse thing you can do is give up
[15:02] <dmh65> doogy walky time
[15:02] <sakura_> ok
[15:02] <dmh65> *doggy
[15:03] <sakura_> it's a toshiba satellite
[15:03] <favro> k
[15:04] <sakura_> ok thank you for your time dmh
[15:04] <dmh65> np, brb
[15:04] <dmh65> you just need to tell xorg the device and identifier I reckon
[15:05] <sakura_> maybe i'll try installing kubuntu just to make sure... but i guess the resolution was alright because it was 'inside' windows, installed with wubi
[15:05] <dmh65> I would install Ubuntu
[15:06] <sakura_> is there a performance difference? I went for xubuntu because it's a pentium IV 1,7 mhz 256 ram
[15:07] <nnull> how come xubuntu comes by default with support for gnome apps enabled?
[15:07] <nnull> doesnt that kinda stop the point of using xfce?
[15:07] <favro> it doesn't matter which *buntu - they use the same base
[15:08] <cody-somerville> nnull, no
[15:08] <favro> Section "Device"
[15:08] <favro> Identifier "S3 Inc. 86C270-294 Savage/IX-MV TV"
[15:08] <favro> Driver "savage" is that something that's been tried?
[15:08] <cody-somerville> nnull, And besides, what is a "gnome application" anyhow?
[15:08] <sakura_> yes
[15:08] <nnull> cody-somerville¬ i was about to ask you that heh
[15:09] <nnull> im guessing transmission uses gnome, but i never use that, does firefox?
[15:10] <nnull> ? :x
[15:11] <cody-somerville> what is "gnome"?
[15:11] <cody-somerville> Like, how do you make that distinction?
[15:12] <sakura_> favro, what's the meaning of 'list index out of range'? in my last pastebin
[15:12] <nnull> i think of it as like a window manager i guess, but i dont really know
[15:12] <jals> xfce still crashing to kdm :(
[15:13] <nnull> cody-somerville¬ what is your disitinction of it? :D
[15:13] <sakura_> this is my current xorg.conf http://paste.ubuntu.com/52862/
[15:15] <nnull> ..
[15:15] <favro> Sakura: you have diff listing for the device in the device section and the screen section - Identifier	"Configured Video Device" - Device		"S3 Inc. SuperSavage IX/C SDR"
[15:16] <sakura_> oh, ok. changed.
[15:17] <favro> Sakura: computers are dumb - they'll do what you tell them - tell them conflicting stuff and they throw their hands in the air and give up
[15:17]  * nnull keeps chasing his wild riddle talking goose
[15:18] <sakura_> hehe me being a complete n00b doesn't help at all
[15:18] <sakura_> ok I'll see if it works now
[15:18] <nnull> so do i need gnome support enabled or not?
[15:19] <nnull> im guessing it do seeing its xubuntu and not xbuntu
[15:19] <nnull> i*
[15:20] <favro> I use gnome support as opposed to kde 'cause kde is not on my system - neither is gnome but it is closest - qt vs gtk
[15:20] <nnull> favro¬ why do you need either gnome or kde support? to run apps?
[15:20] <nnull> thats what im trying to understand
[15:21] <nnull> like without one of those 2 you'd only be able to use xfce apps?
[15:21] <sakura_> no changes.
[15:21] <cody-somerville> nnull, for gnome stuff, it would just take longer for the gnome applications to start
[15:22] <cody-somerville> nnull, as for kde stuff, not so resilient - apps may fail to launch
[15:22] <nnull> cody-somerville¬ ahh ok, for this machine i only really use FireFox and xfce-terminal and am just wondering if i even need to enable it
[15:23] <nnull> as its a very low end machine
[15:23] <nnull> well keep it enabled rather
[15:23] <cody-somerville> you can disable it and see if you notice a difference
[15:23] <cody-somerville> Login will be faster for sure
[15:23] <favro> nnull: in the settings manager there is only an option to choose between the two - no option for none
[15:24] <sakura_> I don't know if it's got anything to do with this but whenever I try displayconfig, the changes I make won't be saved
[15:24] <nnull> not to mention there are a handful of KDE apps i would like to run but am afriad that having both KDE and GNOME support will make it very slow
[15:24] <pod_> hey folks, testing alpha 6 here, upgraded a few packages with synaptic, now mouse takes 3 scrolls to go right side of screen to left. what controls mouse resolution?
[15:25] <charlie-tca> sakura_: try making the changes and don't run displayconfig
[15:25] <nnull> favro, but what differences would i notice by selecting KDE instead of gnome? If i wanted to use transmission it would just load slower?
[15:26] <nnull> and is firefox a gnome app?
[15:26] <cody-somerville> nnull, what is a "gnome app"? lol
[15:26] <nnull> lol you wont tell me! :P
[15:26] <nnull> something that uses gnome, so it doesnt start slow?
[15:26] <cody-somerville> Thats because I don't have an answer
[15:26] <nnull> something = a program
[15:26] <nnull> :x
[15:27] <sakura_> charlie: ok I won't, but I think it's strange I can't save any changes made on this window
[15:27] <favro> nnull: I wouldn't know - if you use some kde apps use that as the option - I just choose gnome support 'cause xfce is gtk based
[15:27] <charlie-tca> pod_: check the settings in Applications -> Settings -> mouse preferences
[15:28] <favro> nnull: and I should add that gnome is gtk based
[15:28] <pod_> charlie-tca:I did, no joy
[15:29] <nnull> what is gtk heh
[15:29] <favro> !info gtk
[15:29] <favro> hehe
[15:29] <nnull> har
[15:29] <charlie-tca> sakura_: I normally have to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf manually, and if I run the command
[15:30] <charlie-tca> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg after saving the file, the settings all disappear
[15:30] <favro> nnull: gtk is how the graphics stuff is made - kde uses qt for that
[15:30] <nnull> ahh..
[15:30] <sakura_> I didn't use that command
[15:30] <nnull> so it would prolly cry then huh
[15:31] <sakura_> i meant sudo displayconfig-gtk
[15:31] <favro> vesa *should* give 1024x768 res
[15:31] <charlie-tca> That erases my settings too
[15:32] <sakura_> not in my case
[15:32] <sakura_> my xorg.conf is not affected by displayconfig
[15:33] <sakura_> maybe that's part of the problem...?
[15:34] <sakura_> everything I've done on xorg.conf returned zero changes. Except the xorg.conf file, that is
[15:34] <favro> Sakura: if you don't select a diff setting in displayconfig it won't write to xorg.conf
[15:34] <sakura_> that's what I'm trying to say
[15:35] <sakura_> whatever settings I select on displayconfig, they won't be saved
[15:35] <nnull> cody-somerville¬ so do you think i should use KDE on startup if im going to be using some KDE apps or?
[15:35] <favro> so choose a diff monitor - one that suits your comp
[15:36] <favro> !tab | nnull
[15:36] <nnull> thanks for the heads up favro
[15:36] <charlie-tca> That's what I'm talking about. That's why I have to edit xorg.conf by hand, save it, then not use displayconfig
[15:36] <favro> k
[15:36] <nnull> lol
[15:36] <cody-somerville> nnull, if you have to use KDE apps, I'd say go for it
[15:36] <nnull> well ill monitor how it goes anyway
[15:37] <favro> I thought transmission was gtk...
[15:38] <nnull> unless transmission has a .conf file somewhere i havent found yet i wouldnt touch it with a 10 foot pole regardless
[15:38] <nnull> not that ive looked for one heh
[15:38] <cody-somerville> favro, it is
[15:39] <favro> so kde isn't needed for it
[15:39] <nnull> nar not for transmission
[15:39] <nnull> im sure its not kde
[15:39] <favro> was that the issue nnull ?
[15:40] <nnull> cody-somerville¬ is running KDE apps on xubuntu going to effect performance do you think?
[15:40] <cody-somerville> yes
[15:40] <nnull> grrr
[15:40] <favro> and alot of added disk space used for dependencies
[15:41] <nnull> epic grr!
[15:41] <nnull> cant afford that
[15:41] <favro> what there is in kde there is in gtk mostly
[15:41] <sakura_> wee :)
[15:41] <nnull> theres no compitition in opensource, its like they make a nice specific program in KDE and nothing gets made on the otherside to challenge it :s
[15:42] <nnull> what is firefox gtk?
[15:42] <cody-somerville> who knows
[15:42] <nnull> favro¬ the mostly fails in specific cases :s
[15:42] <sakura_> my monitor wasn't listed so I had it as generic, but then I started trying out several toshiba monitors and rebooting with each one
[15:43] <favro> I've not found one - can you tell me about some of them?
[15:43] <sakura_> finally, I found it
[15:43] <favro> Sakura: did you have a win?
[15:43] <sakura_> windows?
[15:43] <sakura_> win?
[15:44] <favro> win = success
[15:44] <sakura_> YEAH!!!
[15:44] <favro> hehe well done Sakura
[15:44] <knome> sakura_, you might tell which monitor you have and which one worked with you
[15:45] <knome> so others could benefit from your testing
[15:45] <nnull> cody-somerville¬ #ubuntu knows, its gtk and they are writting a qt one atm
[15:45] <cody-somerville> gtk is the easy answer :(
[15:45] <sakura_> last time I tried with toshiba monitors it didn't work, probably because the xorg wasn't adjusted
[15:46] <sakura_> dp566m, equium 15-inch monitor
[15:47] <sakura_> thank you very much guys
[15:48] <sakura_> specially favro and dmh65
[15:50] <favro> dmh did the hard work
[15:50] <favro> but you are more then welcome :)
[15:51] <sakura_> :)
[16:24] <jals> ok someone's gotta help me with this, xubuntu just keeps crashing back to kdm
[16:25] <cody-somerville> ~/.xsession-errors
[16:26] <favro> ctrl+h to see hidden files
[16:31] <jals> the errors seem to be kde related
[16:31] <favro> missing libs?
[16:32] <jals> doesn't seem like it
[16:32] <jals> maybe i need to try xfce again to get those errors
[16:33] <favro> can you paste the errors?
[16:33] <favro> !paste
[16:33] <jals> http://paste.ubuntu.com/52882/
[16:34] <jals> i'm in kde now btw cos as i say xfce won't load
[16:35] <jals> i did try using failsafe and loading xfce4 that way, would the errors i got there be any use?
[16:35] <jals> it was something to do with ICE I/O
[16:37] <favro> jals: it seems that is kde4 based  - try in #kubuntu-kde4 - if you have no luck ping me here
[16:37] <jals> you think kde4 could be preventing xfce loading?
[16:38] <jals> i'm gonna try loading xfce again, see if xsession-errors changes at all
[16:38] <jals> brb
[16:38] <favro> all the errors are from kde4
[16:38] <favro> and he's gone...
[16:44] <jals> ok started xfce4-session through failsafe
[16:45] <jals> here's what the terminal shows - http://paste.ubuntu.com/52887/
[16:45] <favro> I think you need to sort out kde4 first - is it 4.1.1?
[16:46] <jals> no i'm using 3.5
[16:47] <jals> so you think fixing kde might fix xfce?
[16:48] <favro> trying to create local folder /home/john/.kde4/share: Permission denied - makes me wonder
[16:48] <favro> are there .xsession errors now?
[16:49] <jals> no actually
[16:49] <TheSheep1> sudo chown -R john.john ~john
[16:49] <jals> TheSheep1: think it's a permissions issue?
[16:50] <TheSheep1> jals: may be
[16:50] <jals> i did wonder
[16:50] <jals> everything in there's meant to be owned by me anyway right? so i guess it can't hurt to do that
[16:50] <TheSheep1> yes
[16:50] <jals> ok i'll give it a go
[16:51] <favro> hello TheSheep1
[16:51] <TheSheep1> hi favro
[16:56] <jals> ok brb again
[16:59] <jals> not a permissions issue :(
[17:02] <favro> what does ls -l return from terminal?
[17:02] <favro> !paste
[17:03] <jals> in home directory?
[17:04] <jals> everything looks to have right permissions
[17:04] <jals> all john john
[17:04] <frenzy42> hello, i'm trying to download the newest version of the gimp but the apt-get command says i have the latest version, how can i update the respository to see a new version is avaliable
[17:05] <jals> do you think installing xubuntu-desktop might fix it?
[17:07] <frenzy42> does anyone have an answer to my question?
[17:07] <jals> ok googling turned up possibilities
[17:07] <favro> frenzy42: you have the latest ubuntu package for it - that might not be the latest gimp package - you might find a newer version but it prob will have dpendencies issues
[17:07] <jals> brb
[17:07] <magnetron> hi! i am running ubuntu 8.04 with the xubuntu-desktop package. when i am in xfce, i have no sound in some apps (like rhythmbox and totem). i tried to "sudo /etc/init.d/pulseaudio restart", but no response or success at all. how do i get sound in these applications?
[17:08] <frenzy42> http://www.gimp.org/downloads/
[17:08] <frenzy42> well when is the repository going to be updated?
[17:09] <magnetron> frenzy42, the packages are updated every time a new version of ubuntu is released, that is every 6 months. the next version, 8.10, will be released in a month
[17:10] <frenzy42> so the packages are not updated inbetween?
[17:11] <favro> frenzy42: what is missing from the gimp you have now that you think a newer version will have - it works for me but how I use it is less then cutting edge?
[17:12] <magnetron> frenzy42, the ubuntu approach to stability is to take a snapshot of the current version every 6 months, then tweak them and test them to remove any interoperability problems. updating "inbetween" would require endless testing, which isn't feasible
[17:13] <frenzy42> ok, nothing is missing i just wanted to be updated if possible
[17:14] <magnetron> ubottu, latest
[17:14] <frenzy42> i just had this problem with pidgin because i was trying to set up a silc server and i had to manually install the newest version for it to work.
[17:17] <frenzy42> well thanks anyway
[17:21] <jals> no joy
[17:22] <zoredache> is that a question, or ?
[17:23] <jals> a statement
[17:23] <jals> xfce is still crashing
[17:23] <favro> jals: how are you using xubuntu if you didn't have xubuntu-desktop? - it's hard to see from here
[17:24] <jals> i installed kubuntu, then i installed xfce4
[17:25] <jals> i'm not sure if that means i'm using xubuntu of not, but i asked in #xfce and they told me to come here
[17:26] <zoredache> if you are running ubuntu with xfce, this is probably the place...
[17:26] <favro> just installing xfce means you missed the .desktop files which are are so important
[17:26] <favro> afaik
[17:26] <jals> the thing is it worked fine up until this morning
[17:26] <jals> been using it about a week
[17:27] <zoredache> what did you change last night?
[17:27] <jals> i don't know, i can't recall changing anything, the only thing i've done this morning is plug in a new usb keyboard, was using ps/2 before
[17:28] <jals> i already tried switching back just in case that was it
[17:29] <zoredache> hrm...  perhaps you should stop kdm/gdm, then run startxfce4 from a terminal?  Perhaps if/when it crashes it will give you some useful errors at the console?
[17:30] <jals> i'm already getting errors when i run it through the failsafe terminal on kdm
[17:30] <jals> but i could try that too
[17:30] <favro> ctrl+alt+F2 then sudo /etc/init,d/kdm stop then startxfce4
[17:31] <favro> s/,/.
[17:31] <favro> *s/,/./
[17:31] <jals> ok
[17:33] <favro> luck
[17:48] <jals> ok the error i got was the same as when i start in failsafe like i have done now
[17:48] <jals> i wonder if there's something wrong with the panel
[17:49] <jals> mmaybe i can try completely removing xfce and all its settings
[17:49] <favro> why the panel?
[17:49] <zoredache> can you pastbin the error?
[17:51] <jals> yeah
[17:51] <jals> hold on
[17:52] <jals> http://paste.ubuntu.com/52902/
[17:52] <jals> the last 3 lines are when i opened konversation
[17:52] <jals> but i included them just in case
[17:53] <ron_o> using soundconveter to go from *.ape to *.ogg, is a problem. It keeps saying it converted it in 1 minute 55 seconds and I can see a jump in my cpu, but there's no fie anywhere to be found. (sorry, didn't know where else to ask this. maybe offtopic)
[17:53] <knome> offtopis is my middle name
[17:53]  * knome hides
[17:54] <ron_o> :)
[17:58] <zoredache> jals: I am not sure what it does, but there are a couple suggestsions on google that suggest deleting the '.ICEauthority' file in your home directory when you get the I/O error you are getting...
[18:00] <zoredache> Since the problem just started, I suspect I would also try deleting your cache sessions 'rm .cache/sessions/*'
[18:03] <jals> ok brb
[18:10] <magnetron> hi! i am running ubuntu 8.04 with the xubuntu-desktop package. when i am in xfce, i have no sound in some apps (like rhythmbox and totem). i tried to "sudo /etc/init.d/pulseaudio restart", but no response or success at all. how do i get sound in these applications?
[18:11] <zoredache> when you say you have no sound in 'some' apps.  Does sound work in other apps?
[18:11] <jals> zoredache: i actually had some issues with .ICEauthority because i stupidly tried to run amarok as root and it broke a bunch of stuff
[18:11] <jals> i did delete it and it fixed those issues
[18:11] <jals> but i'll try removing the cache
[18:12] <magnetron> zoredache, yes, i have working sound in vlc and firefox/flash
[18:13] <jals> i think i'll also post those errors on the ubuntu boards
[18:13] <jals> brb
[18:15] <jals> zoredache: that worked!
[18:15] <zoredache> hrm...  So I wonder what was broke...  Cause i was just randomly guessing at things
[18:16] <jals> who knows
[18:16] <jals> i should think about ditching kde properly, i like how fast xfce is
[18:18] <jals> anyway thanks for your help
[18:18] <jals> and favro
[19:39] <jals> !purexfce
[19:39] <jals> if i want to trash kde but keep a few apps like amarok, can i just use the above commands but remove the specific apps from the list or is it going to remove core files they need?
[19:41] <zoredache> worst case would be that you simply need to reinstall your apps... it shouldn't break anything, wreck data
[19:42] <jals> ah good, that's the main issue
[19:42] <jals> i'm pretty sure amarok is the only one, maybe digikam too
[19:44] <zoredache> it may be that simply removing amarok from the list will still result in amarock being removed when using those commands.  Since those commands would possibly get rid of some of the libraries that amarock depends on.  Without taking some time to really look at the command line it is hard to be certain.  It is simple to fix if it gets removed.  Just apt-get install it again
[19:48] <jals> yeah, it's the data i'm most worried about
[19:49] <jals> as long as my .kde/share/apps/amarok file doesn't get trashed it's ok
[19:49] <zoredache> of course if you are every in doubt, you can always remove the doubt by simply making a backup...
[19:51] <jals> true
[19:59] <jals> of course, what i should just do is backup .kde, run the command with everything, then just reinstall the apps i need
[20:28] <ubuntuuser420> ubuntu is way too crowded and I need a little help with my wireless situation
[20:29] <jals> it is crowded, but if your problem is ubuntu related might get more lucky in there
[20:29] <jals> not that i know about this stuff
[20:29] <ubuntuuser420> :P
[20:29] <ubuntuuser420> I need to find out what the saved password for my wireless network is
[20:30] <jals> ah
[20:30] <ubuntuuser420> and I don't know exactly what program or whatever manages that
[20:30] <jals> googled i assume?
[20:30] <ubuntuuser420> or how to retreive it
[20:30] <ubuntuuser420> yeah
[20:30] <jals> no idea i'm afraid, i'm a n00b
[20:30] <ubuntuuser420> I only get airsniffer and aircrack stuff for windows
[20:30] <zoredache> install seahorse, and run it...
[20:30] <ubuntuuser420> seahorse eh?
[20:31] <ubuntuuser420> what does that do?
[20:31] <zoredache> it is primarily built to be a GnuPG front end... but it hooks into gnome-keyring and lits passwords there
[20:31] <ubuntuuser420> whoa, apperently I already have it, one moment (danke)
[20:32] <magnetron> ubuntuuser420, getting support in IRC generally works like this (unlike IM): you ask a complete question on one line, providing all the details related to the problem. include a description of what you did. do this in the right channel and someone should be able to answer, in a while.
[20:32] <magnetron> bah!
[20:32] <magnetron> missed him
[20:33] <zoredache> and answers have to provided quickly so you get the drive-by questioners... :p
[20:33] <jals> thing is in channels that are busy unless someone notices your question quickly it gets lost
[20:33] <magnetron> hi! i am running ubuntu 8.04 with the xubuntu-desktop package. when i am in xfce, i have no sound in some apps (like rhythmbox and totem). however it works in vlc and firefox/flash. i tried to "sudo /etc/init.d/pulseaudio restart", but no response or success at all. how do i get sound in these applications?
[20:34] <cody-somerville> We don't use pulseaudio in Xubuntu
[20:34] <magnetron> cody-somerville, ok, but i have it installed. yet i don't get any sound in totem or rhythmbox.
[20:36] <magnetron> cody-somerville, isn't pulseaudio automatically started at boot, no matter what desktop environment i am running? if not, how can i make xfce start pulseaudio?
[20:44] <magnetron> ok, the top-10 results at google are ubuntuforums posts with the exact same question. many of them have som kind of link to other threads with the same quesion, still not providing any answer though. i guess my question is how to run pulseaudio and xfce at the same time
[20:45] <dmh65> Sakura: did you sort your resolution problem afterwards?
[20:46] <cody-somerville> magnetron, it would just work
[22:04] <charlie-tca> Anyone have issues with partitioning an empty drive?
[22:05] <charlie-tca> Using daily-live CD, an empty 40 GB won't partition from the desktop install
[22:06] <cody-somerville> charlie-tca, it won't partition?
[22:07] <cody-somerville> do you get an error?
[22:07] <charlie-tca> Nope. The spinner came on for 25 minutes, then I forced a shutdown
[22:07] <cody-somerville> (you should know to be more verbose :P)
[22:07] <charlie-tca> Sorry. No errors, When I tried to quit the install, I got a verification, but could
[22:08] <charlie-tca> only hit cancel.
[22:08] <charlie-tca> I went to Alt-F2, and ran ps -A | more, and nothing was running?
[22:09] <charlie-tca> I finally used sudo shutdown -r now to restart the system. Partition editor verifies the partition does not exist
[22:38] <charlie-tca> This error is on a PII, 400Mhz, 256MB Ram.
[22:40] <flyback> what do you mean
[22:40] <flyback> it won't partition
[22:40] <flyback> did you do a dmesg
[22:40] <flyback> see if the disk is canucked
[22:42] <charlie-tca> I deleted all partitions on the disk, then attempted to install using the intrepid-daily-live-CD from 2008-09-30
[22:42] <flyback> dban it :P
[22:42] <charlie-tca> The install stopped at step 4 of 7, disk partitioning. It hung ffor 25 minutes
[22:43] <flyback> disk light stay on?
[22:43] <charlie-tca> No, I did not do a dmesg, but I will run it again and get one. I wanted to know if this is a known issue?
[22:44] <flyback> well if the disk is going bad yeah
[22:44] <flyback> actually don't bother
[22:44] <flyback> is it still booted in some kinda os?
[22:44] <flyback> or can you bootup a rescue cd
[22:45] <charlie-tca> It's booted to the live cd
[22:45] <flyback> do smartctl -a /dev/hda
[22:45] <flyback> might be sda
[22:45] <flyback> see what the reallocations raw count is, the pending reallocations, and any uncorrectables noted in error logs
[22:52] <charlie-tca> Going to be a few minutes; it's installing exim-4 as a requirement for smartctl
[23:03] <charlie-tca> flyback: I don't show anything on reallocations raw count, pending reallocations or uncorrectables
[23:03] <flyback> no errors logged either?
[23:04] <charlie-tca> I rebooted to get out of the installation
[23:05] <charlie-tca> I am able to partition the drive if I don't start the installation.
[23:06] <flyback> weird
[23:07] <charlie-tca> I'm still searching the bug reports. Maybe I'll find one; otherwise, I'll file one.
[23:16] <R1cochet> i just got a new moble net card and cant seem to get it recognized in xubuntu
[23:16] <R1cochet> how can i get it to work?
[23:17] <cody-somerville> You probably need to wait for Xubuntu 8.10 to do it easily
[23:17] <R1cochet> serious?
[23:17] <R1cochet> then is there a way the hard?
[23:20]  * flyback keeps a hair dryer on hot full blast on his face just to numb the tension headache, ugh
[23:27] <Jammet> Hello there. =)
[23:27] <Jammet> I'd like to install a more recent version of Pidgin and other apps than I can get via xubuntus software add/remove package manager. How do I do that?
[23:28] <zoredache> there are several methods, none of them great...
[23:29] <Jammet> So there's nothing like a repository that carries more recent versions of mainstream apps?
[23:29] <zoredache> you could, try and find a repository/ppa that has backported the package, you could get the source, and backport yourself, you could try and run development system as your desktop, you could uninstall and compile manually
[23:29] <zoredache> Jammet: nothing official, no
[23:29] <Jammet> The thing is, pidgin 2.4.1 - which is installed - is really acting up. Yahoo gets disconnected all the time, and ICQ cannot send offline messages any longer. It's got to get some update.
[23:30] <jals> yeah i get a lot of yahoo disconnects
[23:30] <Jammet> Whoever manages that package ought to update it.
[23:30] <jals> what about if you check proposed versions in the repository manager
[23:31] <Jammet> I can? How?
[23:31] <zoredache> Jammet: the probably have, but for intrepid
[23:31] <Jammet> Sorry, I don't know about intrepid...
[23:31] <Jammet> Not even what it is.
[23:32] <jals> the latest version of ubuntu
[23:32] <zoredache> Intrepid is the next release of *ubuntu
[23:32] <jals> out end of this month
[23:32] <Jammet> I thought there was some way to upgrade rather seamlessy. Am I mistaken about that?
[23:33] <Jammet> Damn. So I guess I'll have to go Slackware-style and do configure make make install for everything I want updated from here on?
[23:33] <zoredache> release upgrades are pretty easy yes.  I don't know that I would try upgrading yet on your main desktop though
[23:33] <jals> what pidgin version do you have Jammet?
[23:34] <zoredache> you could just be patient....
[23:34] <Jammet> 2.4.1 - this is what xubuntu installed by default.
[23:34] <Jammet> Patience isn't one of my high points ;). Oh well.
[23:34] <jals> me either
[23:35] <Jammet> Pidgin is already at 2.5.x, this is quite a number up.
[23:35] <zoredache> instad of use make/make install you could learn how to use apt-source to download the source package, and then rebuild with dpkgkg
[23:36] <Jammet> Yeah I could do that. But then the magic of simplicity and ease of use is all but gone. I could've used Gentoo for such an accomplishment.
[23:36] <zoredache> do you actually know for a fact that the new version is supposed to fix something?
[23:37] <Jammet> I do not know that for a fact. It's an assumption.
[23:37] <jals> shouldn't xubuntu be updating anyway
[23:38] <zoredache> ubuntu has a six month release cycle...
[23:38] <R1cochet> is there a way to get mobile card recognized and running in xubuntu?
[23:38] <Jammet> This is basically my fourth month, I'm a fresh Ubuntu user and migrated from Gentoo. Whereas everything in Gentoo is update hell (update or die), Ubuntu seems to go rather slow, it's the exact opposite. At least in this Pidgin situation where the update would really be useful, I am certain of it.
[23:39] <zoredache> Ubuntu isn't that slow...  You should try Debian with its 3-4 year release cycle
[23:39] <Jammet> You have a point there.
[23:41] <Jammet> It's just that - at the point where a program cannot function as it should anymore, because of protocol changes serverside or whatever, whenever an update would seem to be a mandatory if not sensible option, and it's just plain unavailable, I have to find another way. Right now I'm way too lazy to go back to Gentoo but it's a temptation.
[23:41] <Jammet> Back in "that" seat, I would have my fill of recent Pidgin. However, along with a gazillion of other updates I don't want.
[23:42] <zoredache> I still don't know that I agree with original assumption that the newer version is any better...
[23:43] <Jammet> Newer is not always better, but you know what? This has reached a point where it could barely get worse.
[23:43] <Jammet> This is a win/win situation.
[23:44] <zoredache> do you use any pidgin plugins?
[23:44] <Jammet> Some. OTR mostly.
[23:44] <zoredache> you realize that you if you where to take the recomple method you are going to have to get the source for each plugin and recompile each?
[23:45] <Jammet> Oh, I do. Believe me, I've had five years of that with Gentoo.
[23:45] <Jammet> Even if it did all of that automatically, downloading sources, solving dependencies by compiling them in the right order again and again.
[23:46] <jals> shouldn't ubuntu be updating to the latest versions of things each release cycle though
[23:46] <jals> presumably these updates contain bug fixes and what not
[23:47] <zoredache> jals: generally they upgrade to the latest stable release of packages... there are exceptions
[23:47] <Jammet> How can I update the Hardy xubuntu I have, if that new release cycle gets out? Will it do this via the update manager? Or will I have to download and install a DVD image from scratch?
[23:48] <cody-somerville> Jammet, You'll probably have to run a command once the release is out
[23:48] <cody-somerville> Otherwise you'll have to wait until the next LTS before it'll say there is a new release out :]
[23:48] <Jammet> Sounds like it's a simple process.
[23:49] <Jammet> What's a LTS? :)
[23:49] <zoredache> long-term-support.
[23:49] <zoredache> dapper, and hardy are supposed to be supported with security updates for 5 years
[23:50]  * Jammet nods.
[23:51] <zoredache> you would probably choose to use only lts releases if you where running mission critical servers and you need the paid-support
[23:53] <Jammet> It's a desktop - nothing critical.
[23:57] <zoredache> oh, there is one other option I forgot to mention... I have no idea if it would work for pidgin, I don't know if the dependancies have changed...  It is possible with apt to point at multiple releases.  It is kinda tricky though, and can make a big mess during a release upgrade
[23:57] <zoredache> !pinning
[23:57] <Jammet> (sorry phone)