[00:04] <unknown__> Thanks guys, I'll let you know if It works or not
[00:07] <skinux> What does it mean to "delete the link libstdc++.so.6 , and use a replacement that works
[00:07] <skinux> with your glibc" ?
[00:07] <Anders_> Hello. I am a total beginner at this, I was so happy with my ubuntu, but now adobe flash player are not working as it should I think. I have tried a few solutions, but it does not work. I run 12.4 32 bit, and I have installed google chrome, but the flash isue are the same there.
[00:09] <Fyodorovna> Anders_, tell us what you have tried.
[00:09] <Fyodorovna> and the problems you are seeing
[00:10] <Anders_> I have tried installing chrome. Then I tried a turtorial includin a command "sudo nautilus" witch I got a eror message for, and I could not paste...
[00:10] <zippo^> do you know how can I setting: xinput set-prop 12 "Device Enabled" 0 from automatic. next time I don t next again type via the terminal: xinput set-prop 12 "Device Enabled" 0 ?
[00:12] <Anders_> I get this: Initializing nautilus-gdu extension Nautilus-Share-Message: Called "net usershare info" but it failed: 'net usershare' returned error 255: net usershare: cannot open usershare directory /var/lib/samba/usershares. Error No such file or directory Please ask your system administrator to enable user sharing.
[00:15] <zykotick9> Anders_: NEVER use sudo with a GUI application, use "gksudo foo" instead.  see "/msg ubottu gksudo" for details.
[00:17] <Anders_> he he he, I don't understand anything. Time for me to buy windows 7 32 bit or a mac book I think. Is there a place to go to get direct help with ubuntu. Some one can take over my computer for ashort time and set it up corectly?
[00:18] <seanicus> Anders_: absolutely terrible idea
[00:18] <Fyodorovna> Dr_Willis: you see the lagfix for android, optimizer?
[00:19] <Fyodorovna> did you that is
[00:19] <Johnny_Linux> Anders_  stay with it, its a learning curve yes, but in a couple weeks when you get the hang of it, itl be like a new cadilac
[00:21] <Anders_> So if I reinstall, is it smart to take a back up right away after updates to save time the next time I mess up a command.
[00:21] <Johnny_Linux> yes
[00:22] <Johnny_Linux> also Anders_ , formthe extra codecs and whatnot, when and after you reinstall, install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[00:22] <Johnny_Linux> this way you will have everything in the nedia department you are sued to.
[00:23] <Johnny_Linux> used*
[00:23] <Fyodorovna> Anders_ you could clone it, many of us go through this, just be sure you only run commands you research, ask here if needed.
[00:24] <Anders_> Ok thank you all
[00:29] <Samizdatguy> think I'm having some kernel issues. Random key will stick from time to time, and music will randomly drop out for a couple seconds every so often.
[00:29] <Samizdatguy> I'm running kubuntu 13.10 beta, but have had this issue before.
[00:34] <master> ola alguem
[00:34] <fahadash> Samizdatguy: Is kubuntu better than the one out there which is running gnome2 I guess ?
[00:40] <michagogo> Would anyone happen to know, when using vmbuilder, if I already have the ISO and want to use the --iso option, should it be the ISO for 10.04, or for 10.04.4?
[00:41] <master> ok
[00:42] <dianq> (TOdiana pc
[00:44] <dianq> TPC AnKnow
[00:45] <bindi> any way to graph how much traffic I am doing daily/monthly/yearly on each of my interfaces?
[00:46] <michagogo> Would anyone happen to know, when using vmbuilder, if I already have the ISO and want to use the --iso option, should it be the ISO for 10.04, or for 10.04.4?
[00:47] <zykotick9> michagogo: probably, using 10.04.* is a bad idea at this point... why use something so old?
[00:47] <michagogo> zykotick9: For gitian
[00:47] <michagogo> I'm not going to be working in it, just putting it in an lxc container for gitian deterministic builds
[00:50] <michagogo> Put it another way: does `vmbuilder kvm ubuntu` download 10.04 or 10.04.4?
[00:55] <michagogo> bah, what keeps killing my connections?
[00:56] <speaker123> below the global title bar in unity, i am seeing a black horizontal line
[00:56] <speaker123> it cuts off programs which are maximized. anyone experience this?
[00:56] <michagogo> Did anyone respond to me? if so, I missed it
[00:56] <speaker123> mouse clicks make the line flicker away
[00:58] <qingluo> hi all, im in ubuntu 12.04 LTS desktop. i have uninstall default emacs and emacs23 by apt-get remove emacs emacs23 -y  apt-get purge emacs emacs23. and i build&&install emacs24.3 from source code. but when i install any plugins.ubuntu will still install to emacs23's folder which i rm before and report error. how can i let the os know im not using emacs23 anymore?
[01:00] <cadaver> qingluo, If you installed emacs compilling it, you need to install plugints the same way
[01:01] <qingluo> cadaver: o thank u
[01:05] <XMLnewbi> startx command not found, start LDXE unkown job
[01:06] <XMLnewbi> I spent the last 20 min installing ldxe now do I start it?
[01:08] <AiriA> XMLnewbi: Try looking this: http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Ubuntu
[01:09] <AiriA> Hope that helps.
[01:10] <OerHeks> logout, change DM to lxde ( why not xubuntu-desktop?) and login
[01:10] <XMLnewbi> thx, i got it, just needed to reboot.
[01:10] <AiriA> Yep, reboots fix everything lol..
[01:12] <wilee-nilee> XMLnewbi, choose it at the login at the gear menu.
[01:12] <Ari-Yang> wilee is right, you don't have to reboot at all..
[01:17] <setuid> anyone know where I can find freerdp-x11 in Lucid?
[01:17] <cfhowlett> !lucid
[01:17] <wilee-nilee> setuid, this a server?
[01:19] <michagogo> grrrr
[01:20] <michagogo> I can't decipher the maze of code that is http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~vmbuilder-dev/vmbuilder/0.12/files/head:/VMBuilder/ (or maybe it's http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~vmbuilder-dev/vmbuilder/0.12/files/head:/VMBuilder/plugins/ubuntu/ ) to figure out whether vmbuilder, by default, uses 10.04 or 10.04.4
[01:21] <setuid> wilee-nilee, No
[01:22] <setuid> wilee-nilee, Need to be able to run rdp as a client -from- that host to another Windows machine
[01:22] <setuid> Lucid was (and still is) the fastest/most-stable Ubuntu, so that's what we use and recommend here.
[01:22] <cjwelborn> next ubuntu LTS release? 13.10?
[01:23] <wilee-nilee> setuid, 10.04 desktop is way end of life.
[01:24] <setuid> wilee-nilee, shrug, still works, and we'll continue to use, recommend and roll it out. Everything that came after, is slow, focused on eye-candy, and doesn't bring much value.
[01:24] <cfhowlett> cjwelborn, 14.04 will be next LTS
[01:24] <wilee-nilee> not in the main repos is all setuid
[01:24] <setuid>  Alright, we'll build and package it from source ourselves, thanks
[01:24] <wilee-nilee> setuid, Your sarcasm is noted and a waste of time here, by the way.
[01:24] <Johnny_Linux> setuid  12.04 lts is just as good for me
[01:25] <michagogo> Is anyone familiar with `vmbuilder`?
[01:25] <cjwelborn> cfhowlett: thanks.
[01:26] <setuid> Nothing in my statement indicated any sarcasm, but you're free to interpret it how you wish, this is irc after all
[01:29] <nezZario> anyone ever put ubuntu on a chromebook?
[01:30] <AiriA> Yes. It works quite well.
[01:34] <uman> How can I see which versino of a package is in the repos?
[01:34] <cfhowlett> uman, apt-cache policy versino
[01:34] <cfhowlett> uman, in a terminal, of course
[01:35] <uman> cfhowlett: thanks, terminal is what i wanted
[01:35] <uman> (don't have any DE installed)
[01:35] <cfhowlett> uman, hardcore!
[01:36] <uman> cfhowlett: not really, I use OSX as my main machine, this is just on a virt :)
[01:36] <cfhowlett> uman, ah!  questions for you, I have!  may we PM?
[01:37] <uman> cfhowlett: sure, i'm not actually using ubuntu though
[01:37] <michagogo> Is anyone familiar with `vmbuilder`?
[01:37] <uman> i'm on debian, i just came here because it's way bigger and i knew the answer to my question would be the same
[01:37] <cfhowlett> uman, oh.  OK.  nvm
[01:38] <Dr_Willis> uman:  we even got a factoid
[01:38] <Dr_Willis> !version
[01:38] <uman> Dr_Willis: :)
[01:42] <kg3> anyone here have experience getting blowfish working on irssi in 13.04? i'm trying to compile it fish from source, and it's asking for a '/usr/local/include/glib-1.2' but I can't find out how to make that happen
[01:43] <jrib> kg3: why are you compiling it?
[01:43] <kg3> because i can't get blowjob or blowssi to work either
[01:43] <jrib> kg3: how did you try?
[01:44] <kg3> loading .pl, setting keys. after having all required apps installed
[01:45] <jrib> kg3: loading what .pl?  How?
[01:47] <sudoICRON> So when is the ubuntu edge releasing? Looks amazing
[01:47] <uman> sudoICRON: never, the project was cancelled since it didn't raise enough money
[01:47] <kg3> first i installed irssi-scripts using apt-get, then /load blowjob.pl
[01:47] <cfhowlett> sudoICRON, ???? no
[01:48] <keeb> i'm trying to make a liveusb using usb-creator-gtk and it is consistently hanging on "Installing the bootloader"
[01:48] <sudoICRON> dan
[01:48] <sudoICRON> *damn
[01:48] <kg3> jrib: first i installed irssi-scripts using apt-get, then /load blowjob.pl
[01:48] <keeb> is there a link to doing this manually? I'd much prefer that instead of this terrible ui
[01:48] <jrib> kg3: and then?
[01:48] <cfhowlett> keeb, hanging?  how long did you wait?
[01:49] <keeb> cfhowlett: i did the manually for a gentoo image and it took about 3 seconds
[01:49] <cfhowlett> keeb, it takes time and it DOES appear to be stuck, but it's working in the background.
[01:49] <keeb> right now it's been "installing the bootloader" for about 5 minutes.
[01:49] <keeb> cfhowlett: ok
[01:49] <cfhowlett> keeb, sounds about right.  give it another few minutes before you call it.
[01:49] <kg3> jrib: then tried using blowssi from here, http://www.linkerror.com/programs/blowssi-0.1.0.tar.bz2 , using these instructions, http://mewbies.com/how_to_install_blowssi_for_irssi_tutorial.htm
[01:49] <jrib> kg3: why did you give up on blowjob.pl?
[01:50] <kg3> wasn't decoding. has mcps and +OK msgs
[01:50] <Dr_Willis> keeb:   the pendrivelinux site has altenative tools. and guides
[01:50] <L3d> multisystem i use in ubuntu
[01:50] <keeb> cfhowlett: looks like i was being impatient :) thanks for confirming
[01:50] <keeb> still not sure why that takes so long
[01:51] <keeb> dd if=/path/to/image of=/dev/sdb
[01:51] <jrib> kg3: did you check bug tracker for issues against it?
[01:51] <cfhowlett> keeb, poor interface design that doesn't show the progression or percentage/time to completion
[01:51] <Dr_Willis> keeb:  dd? you dident use a bs=4M option?
[01:51] <keeb> Dr_Willis: i was just giving an example of how it's done for gentoo
[01:52] <keeb> cfhowlett: thanks again :]
[01:52] <Dr_Willis> keeb:  dd works for ubuntu also
[01:52] <kg3> jrib: i didn't find anything
[01:53] <jrib> kg3: did you come across http://blog.phrog.org/2008/02/01/irc-with-irssi-and-a-blowjob/ it's old, but check it out
[01:53] <keeb> anyway, i decided that an XPS13 deserves ubuntu installed instead of gentoo :] <3 sputnik project
[01:53] <cfhowlett> keeb, how's that working out?
[01:54] <keeb> cfhowlett: installation is occurring right now, so i'll let you know
[01:54] <keeb> but so far it's a beautiful thing
[01:54] <kg3> jrib: i've spent 5 hours googling, i've come across everything to do with it. i'm only here as a last resort.
[01:54] <keeb> i absolutely love it
[01:54] <jrib> keeb: that's a "yes"?
[01:55] <keeb> jrib: whats a yes bro?
[01:55] <jrib> kg3: that's a "yes"?
[01:56] <keeb> cfhowlett: although i'm a dumbass and left the charger at work
[01:56] <kg3> jrib: sorry. just wanted to let you know that i've tried exhausting web searches already. i'm not the type of person who asks for help without trying to help himself
[01:56] <jrib> kg3: sure, I'm just not sure if you've tried what that person suggests there; you may not have come across it
[01:57] <doily> sluts.
[01:58] <cfhowlett> doily, wrong channel
[01:58] <doily> yup
[01:58] <doily> lol
[02:00] <webheretic> Hi, I'm I at the right place if I have questions regarding MASS?
[02:01] <cfhowlett> !mass
[02:01] <cfhowlett> webheretic, no idea what that is ...
[02:01] <Daanish_> Hey guys.   I'm in Beijing, so getting hands on an xps13 is problematic and expensive
[02:16] <keeb> i hear ya
[02:21] <Demonicpagan> i have an asus G750JX and i've been trying to install Ubuntu 13.04 as a dual boot system. i've turned off fast boot, secure boot (with secure boot on, get a Binary is whitelisted message), boot under uefi and i can't get into a live ubuntu session to install the os, end up with just a black screen after selecting the "Try Ubuntu" option
[02:21] <cfhowlett> !nomodeset|Demonicpagan,   is a possibility
[02:21] <tacotyme> Hey all. I have a major problem. I have a computer with a 32-bit intel atom processor -- however, the manufacturers (HP) installed windows 8 with UEFI -- so... yeah... being that 32-bit ubuntu is not signed, I cannot run ubuntu! Please help!
[02:21] <Demonicpagan> i tried taht
[02:21] <Base-Dev> hello I have tried to install Ubuntu restricted extras, bout Truetype fonts arnt installed, ay other way to install them?
[02:22] <cfhowlett> Base-Dev, TRIED to install extras?  you couldn't?
[02:22] <Roy_Ubuntu_13-04> what file holds the setting for the mount path from when i set up the system, i want to change the location of where the windows partition mounts?
[02:23] <Demonicpagan> i replace the quiet splash with nomodeset and still black screen
[02:23] <Base-Dev> cfhowlett, ok, sorry I got it, I actually uninsalled restricted extras again :D
[02:28] <Freeaqingme> Hi folks. I just restarted my networking service (not sure if that's related), and then X server crashed. After a restart, all my graphics seem to be really slow. I have 1 terminal opened, but after dragging it a little, it is showed 5+ times: http://storage5.static.itmages.com/i/13/0924/h_1379989567_9043982_db3ee1957a.png (that image lasted >1 minute)
[02:28] <Freeaqingme> any clues how I can speed up my graphics again?
[02:28] <wiiw> how to rsync a sshd with port
[02:28] <Base-Dev> ok, who can and can't install Ubuntu restricted extras?
[02:29] <wilee-nilee> Base-Dev, You have the partner repos open?
[02:29] <wiiw> rsync -avz -e "ssh -p 2233 remoteuser@remotehost:/remote/dir /this/dir/ " did not work
[02:29] <Base-Dev> wilee-nilee, ?
[02:30] <wilee-nilee> Base-Dev, check the sources.list
[02:30] <wilee-nilee> gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:30] <Base-Dev> wilee-nilee, I mean to say who have rights to use ubuntu restricted extras
[02:30] <Base-Dev> wilee-nilee, and who dont
[02:31] <wilee-nilee> Base-Dev, check your local laws
[02:31] <Base-Dev> wilee-nilee, Ok
[02:32] <Demonicpagan> since this is a new laptop, shouldn't i be able to boot with secure boot on under 13.04?
[02:32] <wilee-nilee> !uefi | Demonicpagan
[02:33] <boeyc> I managed to setup a dual boot with windows, which has run fine after i use the bootloader fix with livecd. For some reason when i switch to windows, I end up with the same situation where i cannot get back into ubuntu without running another bootloader. any advice
[02:33] <Demonicpagan> baffles me why i get the "Binary is whitelisted" with it on
[02:34] <wilee-nilee> Demonicpagan, manufacturers have their own tweaked versions is all, here is some more info. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2147295
[02:34] <Roy_Ubuntu_13-04> Samba out of nowhere stop working, can someone help me debug it
[02:34] <wilee-nilee> boeyc, post the url of the bootinfo summary that is generated and you should be saving.
[02:35] <boeyc> ok ill rerun
[02:35] <wilee-nilee> boeyc, you can run just it.
[02:36] <Demonicpagan> am here under Demon|Tablet, gonna verify i'm using the nomodeset properly when editing the "Try Ubuntu" command
[02:36] <zykotick9> wiiw: ive never tried with a non-default ssh port, but have you tried "rync -avz -e ssh -p 2233 ..." i'd think your "" might be in the wrong places.
[02:36] <boeyc> yea, im just on my other pc and im on windows on the problem pc
[02:37] <wilee-nilee> boeyc, This W8 per-chance?
[02:37] <boeyc> wilee-nilee, I have a pirated version of windows btw, I do have a real cd key, would it be better if i updated it with my real key first?
[02:37] <boeyc> wilee-nilee, w7
[02:38] <wilee-nilee> boeyc, never use pirated software, I would get a legit download and install it.
[02:38] <boeyc> wilee-nilee, it was just quicker to install the copies
[02:38] <boeyc> wilee-nilee would that be the reason though? for bootloader issues
[02:38] <wilee-nilee> boeyc, I can't really help you now to be honest.
[02:39] <Dr_Willis> ive seen viruses in windows that mess with the MBR
[02:39] <Dr_Willis> or windows anti-virus stuff also ;)
[02:39] <thiebaude> ^^
[02:39] <Vidiot_X_USC> Is there a easy way to remove 'GRUB' ?
[02:40] <wilee-nilee> Vidiot_X_USC, why do you need to?
[02:40] <boeyc> wilee-nilee, ok i get it. I have paid for it, to me when i first put together the system, i did not care and used a pirated copy because it was quicker to install
[02:40] <wiiw> zykotick9: did not work
[02:40] <Vidiot_X_USC> Well I want to move linux to another system and set this one back up the way it was.
[02:41] <wilee-nilee> Vidiot_X_USC, why would you have to remove grub, this a dual boot and you want the boot of the other?
[02:41] <wilee-nilee> which is?
[02:41] <Demon|Tablet> this is what i have edited the "Try Ubuntu" command to use: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6148338/
[02:42] <wilee-nilee> Demon|Tablet, You can just hit f6 and choose nomodeset
[02:42] <Dr_Willis> Vidiot_X_USC:  install whatever bootloader for whatever os you want on that system
[02:43] <Demon|Tablet> on the grub screen?
[02:43] <Vidiot_X_USC> ^
[02:43] <wilee-nilee> Demon|Tablet, on the try ubuntu, check memory or install gui
[02:43] <Demon|Tablet> i don't get a gui
[02:43] <wilee-nilee> !nomodeset | Demon|Tablet
[02:44] <Dr_Willis> you select nomodeset befor the system boots to the 'try/install' dialog
[02:44] <Demon|Tablet> i get this screen: http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1347445084.png
[02:45] <Dr_Willis> looks like a grub menu to me.
[02:45] <Dr_Willis> not that i can read anything on it. ;)
[02:45] <Demon|Tablet> it is grub
[02:45] <Dr_Willis> so you are having issues with an Installed system, and havent tried 'nomodeset' yet?
[02:46] <Demon|Tablet> i don't have ubuntu installed yet
[02:46] <dog-food> is there a reason why ubuntu default video player is totem when there's a much more better plaer available
[02:46] <Dr_Willis> Then i have to wonder where that grub is comming from
[02:46] <Dr_Willis> dog-food:  because its the gnome default
[02:46] <dog-food> as long as I can remember vlc has been lightyears ahead of totem
[02:46] <wilee-nilee> Demon|Tablet, your first post did not show grub.
[02:46] <thiebaude> dog-food, not sure, i just use vlc
[02:46] <Dr_Willis> vlc requires the QT libs - so takes up a lot more disk space
[02:47] <thiebaude> too bad vlc is not default
[02:47] <Demon|Tablet> from booting from my live usb in uefi
[02:47] <wilee-nilee> Demon|Tablet, read the uefi links I gave you.
[02:48] <wilee-nilee> Demon|Tablet, Is this ubuntu loaded to a usb with say unetbootin?
[02:48] <Demon|Tablet> yes
[02:49] <Demon|Tablet> get the same as if i boot from cd
[02:49] <wilee-nilee> Demon|Tablet, Have you looked at the uefi info?
[02:50] <Demon|Tablet> yes
[02:51] <wilee-nilee> Demon|Tablet, Have you checked the sum of the ISO, with a cd you should bet a different screen than unetbootin.
[02:51] <wilee-nilee> get*
[02:52] <miss_funnylol> battery holds 9h in windows, 3h in ubuntu. Can it be fixed?
[02:52] <wilee-nilee> Demon|Tablet, any way uefi is out of my area, hopefully someone will know here.
[02:52] <Demon|Tablet> why would i? they both are booted via uefi
[02:53] <thiebaude> miss_funnylol, try this:http://www.webupd8.org/2013/04/improve-power-usage-battery-life-in.html
[02:56] <keeb> anyone know what happened to xcb-cursor development headers?  cant find it in 13.04 repos. really need it.
[03:00] <delinquentme> how can I tell what user on my system is running a given process?
[03:01] <XMLnewbi_> is there a quick way to increase the font size in terminal in ldxe
[03:01] <wilee-nilee> XMLnewbi_, there is a preferences I believe
[03:02] <Demon|Tablet> checksum matches
[03:02] <wilee-nilee> delinquentme, Htop should list whats running and the user I believe.
[03:05] <XMLnewbi_> I can change the font in prefences but it is only changing the windows stuff, terminal is still unreadable
[03:12] <keeb> in 13.04, hoq do i change window manager sessions during login?
[03:13] <keeb> i dont see a dropdown, and something like f1 is not working
[03:16] <keeb> nvm got it
[03:17] <Demon|Tablet> my system just does not want to boot a live version of ubuntu so i can install
[03:17] <genoobie> hey all
[03:17] <wheatthin> Demon|Tablet, What kind of computer/
[03:17] <genoobie> Just installed lubuntu and I'm having a bit of a problem
[03:17] <wilee-nilee> Demon|Tablet, Have you tried setting the bios to legacy?
[03:18] <genoobie> if I go to "www.newgrounds.com"
[03:18] <Demon|Tablet> asus g750jx
[03:18] <boydoy> hi! i want to make own Virtual machine and i dont know how can i create a nas for my VM using Ubuntu Server
[03:18] <wheatthin> genoobie, hey, try typing your situation all in one line
[03:18] <genoobie> the screen freezes, the mouse can move for about another minute
[03:18] <genoobie> then blackness
[03:19] <genoobie> then "NMI: PCI system error (SERR) for reason a1 on CPU 0.
[03:19] <genoobie> dazed and confused, but trying to continue
[03:19] <Demon|Tablet> wilee-nilee, that will cause conflicts since i have preinstalled windows 8 system
[03:19] <wheatthin> sounds like a problem with the heat sync or something genoobie
[03:19] <wilee-nilee> Demon|Tablet, You have not read the uefi info, that is used at times.
[03:20] <genoobie> wheatthin: CPU / GPU both?
[03:20] <Demon|Tablet> i read it
[03:20] <genoobie> wheatthin: any diag tools?
[03:21] <genoobie> just newgrounds
[03:21] <genoobie> if I go to another flash games site like armor games, no probs.
[03:21] <genoobie> any utils to monitor this?
[03:22] <wheatthin> genoobie, type sensors
[03:22] <wheatthin> in the terminal
[03:23] <cjwelborn> i have a myscript.py that i symlinked to (can be called from anywhere with 'myscript'), except for sudo. it can't find it. is there a sudo-specific setting I can change, or any way to get around this?
[03:23] <wilee-nilee> Demon|Tablet, I would look here if you have not, from watching people here, it seems that sometimes things work differently for others in comparison is all. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2147295
[03:24] <Demon|Tablet> i have read that
[03:24] <wheatthin> cjwelborn, link it to /sbin or /usr/local/sbin
[03:24] <wilee-nilee> Demon|Tablet, That thread author is an excellent source of help, and they will visit any thread posted on uefi.
[03:25] <genoobie> okay
[03:25] <genoobie> here's the likely problem
[03:25] <wilee-nilee> just a suggestion is all, if you don't get it resolved here.
[03:25] <genoobie> the computer has both on-board video and a PCI video card
[03:25] <genoobie> because the sensor temps are fine
[03:25] <wheatthin> genoobie, i/o's getting all messed up/
[03:26] <genoobie> wait wait
[03:26] <genoobie> scratch that
[03:26] <genoobie> my mistake
[03:26] <genoobie> but
[03:26] <wilee-nilee> Demon|Tablet, We have seen people here that installed ubuntu when W8 was in that hybrid sleep, so I'm not sure if that could be part of the problem.
[03:26] <wheatthin> genoobie, please only use one line..
[03:28] <Demon|Tablet> hybrid sleep? not possible when an os isn't even loaded yet
[03:29] <genoobie> output from sensors "lm99-i2c-2-4c; Adapter:nouveau-0000:01:00.0-2;temp1 +40C; temp2:60.5C;nouveau-pci-100;Adapter:PCI adapter;temp1 -4.0C"
[03:29] <genoobie> wheatthin: make anything out of that output?
[03:29] <genoobie> should I go to "newgrounds and run sensors"
[03:30] <wheatthin> that would be logical.
[03:30] <genoobie> wheatthin: any way to log sensors to record continuous output
[03:30] <cjwelborn> wheathin, thanks. i see now in the sudoers file some directories it will consider 'safe'.
[03:30] <wilee-nilee> Demon|Tablet, windows use that automatically I believe until you dualboot, what is the boot time for windows?
[03:30] <genoobie> i.e. as it is freezing
[03:31] <genoobie> damn
[03:31] <wilee-nilee> or do a full shutdown
[03:31] <genoobie> I can't run sensors
[03:31] <Demon|Tablet> i am not booting into windows to install ubuntu
[03:31] <genoobie> it freezes up instantly
[03:31] <genoobie> this makes me think it's another problem
[03:31] <genoobie> ugh, I have to call it a night
[03:32] <wheatthin> might just be the plugin used genoobie
[03:32] <wilee-nilee> Demon|Tablet, I did not say you were, that fastboot for windows I believe is automatic, unless you do a full shutdown is all.
[03:32] <Demon|Tablet> i have fastboot disabled
[03:33] <masterjakeway> hey all
[03:33] <wilee-nilee> Demon|Tablet, Cool, just trying to communicate with you, is all, and share what I have sen, but that is about it I run W8 but in msdos is all.
[03:33] <wilee-nilee> seen*
[03:34] <masterjakeway> anyone have any clues about running from a usb hdd and getting a freeze at purple screen?
[03:34] <Demon|Tablet> i load up the usb from a shutdown
[03:35] <wilee-nilee> masterjakeway, this a full install, and usb2?
[03:36] <masterjakeway> yes  https://app.box.com/s/kxxh5ync0021j4tpipxw
[03:36] <masterjakeway> script results
[03:37] <wilee-nilee> masterjakeway, 11.10 is eol and you do not need a boot partition.
[03:38] <masterjakeway> I'm trying to set it up to compile android
[03:38] <wilee-nilee> and running a usb2 external is not really the best route.
[03:38] <wilee-nilee> I would use a flash if it were me
[03:39] <Dr_Willis> running from usb shouldent matter - i do that all the time
[03:39] <masterjakeway> flash with iso? Why would that be better? opinion is welcome
[03:40] <Dr_Willis> you can do a full install to a flash drive. or a live-install
[03:40] <wytshadow> i have an awkward problem with ubuntu... if i just try to boot normally it freezes after the grub, but if i boot to recovery mode and then resume normal boot it runs fine. anyone know how to fix this?
[03:40] <masterjakeway> I read that full install on flash isn't good due to write/rewrite
[03:40] <wilee-nilee> masterjakeway, You also have room for an extended on sda, if you wanted an internal dualboot, not sure the room you have is all.
[03:40] <Dr_Willis> wytshadow:  try booting to text mode. and starting the lightdm service as a test also
[03:41] <Dr_Willis> masterjakeway:  ive never broke one yet. and face it - the things are cheap ;)
[03:41] <DatWolf> willis
[03:41] <masterjakeway> true, lol
[03:41] <Dr_Willis> masterjakeway:  ive ran from a 16gb usb flash for months
[03:41] <DatWolf> is there any way to setup a SSH like service without opening any new ports?
[03:41] <masterjakeway> I just want to keep them separate is all
[03:42] <Dr_Willis> DatWolf:  ssh can run on whatever port you tell it to
[03:42] <masterjakeway> so, besides the boot partition, seed anything else giving it a issue?
[03:42] <DatWolf> I dont have any open ones
[03:42] <DatWolf> besides 23 and 80
[03:42] <wilee-nilee> masterjakeway, Your choice I have 3 OS W8, and two linux on a big ssd myself, it is no biggie.
[03:42] <DatWolf> both are being used
[03:42] <DatWolf> so I dont get it
[03:42] <Dr_Willis> clarify what you mena by openm DatWolf .. who close them?
[03:43] <DatWolf> um
[03:43] <DatWolf> I dont know
[03:43] <DatWolf> just
[03:43] <FloodBot1> DatWolf: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:43] <masterjakeway> maybe because the hdd isn't powered?
[03:43] <DatWolf> default open ports like 80 and such...
[03:43] <Dr_Willis> DatWolf:  the default ubuntu firewall - does not close any ports. all are open
[03:43] <DatWolf> I mean, my router.
[03:43] <DatWolf> without having to port forward my router.
[03:43] <Dr_Willis> thats differnt then open/closed. :)
[03:43] <DatWolf> kay
[03:44] <Dr_Willis> without setting up a port forward- it will make it much harder./ perhaps impossible
[03:44] <masterjakeway> this is a laptop and I don't need the ubuntu except at home...but, I want room for media etc on Windows
[03:44] <DatWolf> I can use stuff like teamviewer without the ports tho?
[03:44] <Dr_Willis> unless you ssh tunnle to a differnt box outside the lan
[03:44] <DatWolf> I dont get it.
[03:44] <wilee-nilee> masterjakeway, Might just be a driver issue, have you tried using nomodeset, we did not delve into this stuck splash is all.
[03:44] <Dr_Willis> teamviewer connects to the teamviewer servers to do the forwarding i belive
[03:45] <DatWolf> oh
[03:45] <DatWolf> well
[03:45] <DatWolf> what other options do I have?
[03:45] <Dr_Willis> clarify exxtly what you want to do and someone may have ideas
[03:45] <masterjakeway> right? I looked for how to do that and couldn't find the correct file from live CD. also, shift etc doesn't work
[03:46] <DatWolf> I want to be able to setup a SSH like server(access console) without having to port forward
[03:46] <wilee-nilee> masterjakeway, You mention power are you using the external on wifi, I have a 2 terrabyte external it has two cords one power one data
[03:46] <Dr_Willis> most likely you will be using ssh in some way or another. you could use some VPN/VPS server i guess as one way and setup a tunnle from your home pc to it
[03:47] <masterjakeway> no, it is a wd passport 1tb
[03:47] <wilee-nilee> masterjakeway, all on one usb os all
[03:47] <wilee-nilee> is*
[03:48] <DatWolf> :/
[03:48] <DatWolf> I dont have a vps.
[03:48] <DatWolf> so
[03:48] <DatWolf> what could I do?
[03:49] <Dr_Willis> get one?
[03:49] <Dr_Willis> or figure out how ti get port forwarding going
[03:49] <DatWolf> ...
[03:49] <DatWolf> no other options?
[03:49] <Myrtti> I'm confused why portforwarding isn't an option
[03:50] <Myrtti> it's not rocket science In most cases
[03:52] <wilee-nilee> masterjakeway, You might look at these google listing as far as a passport goes. https://www.google.com/search?q=wd+passport+1tb+ubuntu&btnG=Search&hl=en&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&gbv=1
[03:53] <wilee-nilee> I think they are a problem in general
[03:55] <masterjakeway> sounds that way. I've done the complete format. I'm gonna call it a day and try fresh tomorrow. thanks!
[03:57] <genoobie> ugh
[03:57] <genoobie> I can't be sure but I might be having video problems
[03:57] <genoobie> There's things I don't understand
[03:57] <genoobie> so for instance
[03:57] <genoobie> I installed a linux-non-free pkg
[03:58] <genoobie> now in synaptic there's the BCM wireless card
[03:58] <genoobie> it says "device is not working properly"
[03:58] <genoobie> then there's an unknown device that is using the non-free driver and it is working
[03:58] <genoobie> the point is that that's not how a system should look
[03:59] <genoobie> now when I go to synaptic it wants to update the repository
[03:59] <genoobie> seems slow or stuck like it could take hours
[04:00] <genoobie> speed 9MB/s
[04:01] <strik3> hi guys. im new to ubuntu and was wondering if some one could help me out with a problem trying to get some dependencies up and running
[04:02] <agmacguy> genoobie, was the system working alright before you installed the package?
[04:02] <Dr_Willis> give us details strik3
[04:02] <genoobie> well...I've done a couple of changes agmacguy
[04:02] <strik3> ok im trying run this command
[04:02] <strik3> sudo apt-get install zlib1g-dev libusb-1.0-0-dev build-essential automake autoconf git libcurl4-openssl-dev
[04:02] <Demonicpagan> well... submitted a thread on the forums to see where I'm going wrong with tryin to install 13.04 on this machine
[04:03] <genoobie> so the operations were
[04:03] <genoobie> install lubuntu
[04:04] <genoobie> wtf
[04:04] <wilee-nilee> Demonicpagan, Cool that mod is on us daytime, I have seen them on late though.
[04:04] <genoobie> I think I am just going to reinstall lubuntu
[04:04] <genoobie> nite
[04:04] <shashank_> hi\
[04:04] <strik3> but not having any luck, getting errors such as unable to locate package, couldn't find any package by regex and package autoconf has no installation candidate
[04:04] <genoobie> bb when I am less grumpy
[04:05] <cdac_hyd> hi
[04:05] <Demonicpagan> even made sure that the drive i want to install ubuntu on is partitioned as gpt
[04:08] <genoobie> I might be done with lubuntu
[04:08] <genoobie> seems a bit buggy
[04:08] <Dr_Willis> life is buggy
[04:08] <genoobie> will ubuntu run nicely on a p4 3GB
[04:08] <Dr_Willis> will also depend on the video card
[04:09] <genoobie> geforce 6800
[04:09] <Dr_Willis> tried xubuntu yet?
[04:09] <genoobie> is that any better with platform stability / plugins etc?
[04:09] <agmacguy> 2nd xubuntu, less resource intensive
[04:09] <Dr_Willis> I cant say ive had any stability issues with lubuntu
[04:10] <Dr_Willis> the core kernel/drivers are allthe same across all of hem
[04:10] <genoobie> okay, I'll give xubuntu a shot
[04:10] <Dr_Willis> them
[04:10] <agmacguy> not related to ubuntu but was anyone else excited about Steam's announcement today with Steam OS?
[04:10] <genoobie> xubuntu / lubuntu seem very similar
[04:10] <Dr_Willis> agmacguy:  i will belive it when i can actaually get my hands on it. ;)
[04:11] <agmacguy> haha too true!
[04:11] <genoobie> i'll bbl
[04:11] <genoobie> for now XP seems very stable
[04:11] <genoobie> and comfotable
[04:11] <genoobie> just needs more maintenance than a *nix or *buntu
[04:11] <Dr_Willis> XP is also a zombie on its last legs..
[04:12] <Dr_Willis> I cant say ive really had any issues with lubuntu, or xubuntu. but i guess it depends on your hardware
[04:12] <genoobie> well, I'll be back for sure.
[04:12] <genoobie> okay, nite! Thanks again for all the help.
[04:12] <Johnny_Linux> genoobie  just get a practice machine and play with it,youll get it.
[04:15] <unknown__> Dr_Willis , thanks for the help, the winUsb worked pretty good, but for some reason I didn't get admin when the user was created by the system, probably because I named the user unknown with a null (o) or /o, lol, I had to enable admin to give it admin.
[04:15] <qin_> Saying that system bocame stable 2 after end of support deserve lol, especialy if it is MS
[04:15] <unknown__> Also guys, I'm having a problem with crashes when I turn off laptop monitor and just use the LED HDMI
[04:16] <FoShizz> Hello gents!
[04:16] <unknown__> I want to know how can I put the menu bar across the bottom and make the close window (x) in the top right of the windows instead of top left
[04:16] <FoShizz> Quick question, why isn't "echo [filecontent] > [filename]" working to make a file?
[04:17] <qin_> FoShizz: permissions?
[04:17] <FoShizz> say "echo  helloworld > newfile
[04:17] <FoShizz> must i sudo it?
[04:17] <unknown__> Oh, also I want to know if I can disable the grub unless I input something at boot, so I don't have to hit enter everytime
[04:18] <FoShizz> it is still telling me it is an invalid arguement
[04:18] <qin_> FoShizz: as follow: cd; echo `date` > test_file; cat test_file; date;
[04:18] <foist> Trying to install and run ipython notebook, but it keeps giving me: UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xb0 in position 2: ordinal not in range(128)
[04:18] <foist> . Anyone know what could be the reason?
[04:19] <unknown__> How can I rearrange the menu bar on the left to go across the bottom?
[04:20] <FoShizz> now when you say 'date' do i have to put quotes around it?
[04:20] <ONeZetty[M]> holooooo!!! Ubuntu Rocks!!
[04:20] <wilee-nilee> unknown__, used to be a hack for that, not around anymore, you can hide it and use a dock of sorts.
[04:20] <FoShizz> all it is giving me is that it's invalid
[04:21] <unknown__> ONeZetty, they really are doing good with it huh,  I see vast improvements from 5 years ago, install is even smoother than windows now
[04:21] <qin_> FoShizz: put what you want, back quotes here works as command substitution, just to add fun.
[04:21] <FoShizz> echo date > test.file
[04:22] <FoShizz> any ideas?
[04:22] <unknown__> Hi, wilee-nilee, So I can hide it and create a new one?
[04:22] <qin_> FoShizz: what `pwd` says?
[04:23] <unknown__> This feels like it was designed for left-handers, lol
[04:23] <FoShizz> slash root
[04:23] <qin_> FoShizz: cd
[04:23] <qin_> FoShizz: NOW!
[04:23] <FoShizz> just cd?
[04:23] <FoShizz> not cd Desktop?
[04:24] <wilee-nilee> unknown__, It should hide already, it is part of unity a plugin in compiz. you can install compizconfig and set the pressure to make it appear.
[04:24] <qin_> FoShizz: ...and why would you want to have file in root directory???!!!
[04:24] <unknown__> wilee-nilee I remember compiz being really buggy when running two monitors
[04:24] <FoShizz> lol yea i guess
[04:24] <wilee-nilee> unknown__, You might check out other desktops as well, unity is a package is all.
[04:25] <FoShizz> im only on a live cd :p
[04:25] <qin_> FoShizz: cd; cd ~; cd /home/$USER are same things, and take you away from root directory
[04:25] <FoShizz> oh really?
[04:26] <qin_> FoShizz: aha... does it have /home/ ?
[04:26] <unknown__> wilee-nilee do you have any recommendations? something like kali's?
[04:26] <FoShizz> hm cd and cd ~ keep me on /root still
[04:26] <FoShizz> yes it does!
[04:26] <qin_> cd /home/
[04:26] <FoShizz> cd /home/ works!
[04:26] <unknown__> lol
[04:27] <qin_> touch this;
[04:27] <jatakk> qin_: I can't
[04:27] <unknown__> Oh, is the a program like Wireshark to monitor my lan traffic?
[04:27] <unknown__> Or can I make wireshar do that?
[04:28] <FoShizz> schweet qin i got it to work!
[04:28] <wilee-nilee> unknown__, recommendations in desktops? I use the gnome shell, and some extensions, with the cairo dock and synapse to search apps.
[04:28] <FoShizz> than qin
[04:28] <FoShizz> thanks*
[04:28] <qin_> FoShizz: you need some reading my friend; man chmod; man chown; and some research on linux file system
[04:29] <qin_> welcome
[04:29] <FoShizz> yea i know :(
[04:29] <unknown__> Yeah wilee-nilee that's it!
[04:29] <qin_> jatakk: what abouts that?
[04:29] <FoShizz> the modyfing studd like chmod, chown, echo i have no experience with
[04:29] <FoShizz> cd, mkdir, mv im ok with
[04:30] <jatakk> qin_: Just a joke man, lol. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otCpCn0l4Wo
[04:30] <jatakk> unknown__: You want a program like Wireshark for linux?
[04:31] <jatakk> unknown__: Use nmap. That's what Wireshark is powered by anyway
[04:33] <unknown__> Can I monitor lan traffic jatakk?
[04:33] <lotuspsychje> morning to all
[04:34] <jatakk> unknown__: It's a command line tool but yeah you can
[04:35] <jatakk> unknown__: As long as you're comfortable with the command line
[04:35] <unknown__> well, I used aricrack in command line
[04:35] <unknown__> I just like to get a window going to monitor it, how long are the commands?
[04:37] <jatakk> Oh okay well sorry can't help you there. And yeah the commands can be pretty long with all the different flags
[04:37] <jatakk> There might be a GUI for it out there somewhere, not sure though
[04:37] <jatakk> Someone here might know.
[04:37] <chathura>  	Is hp compaq elite 8300  support to ubuntu 12 .04 32 bit version
[04:38] <chathura> because my pc freeze sometimes while working
[04:39] <chathura> hi any one can help on this
[04:40] <chathura> Is hp compaq elite 8300  support to ubuntu 12 .04 32 bit version ??
[04:40] <wilee-nilee> chathura, How many times has it frozen, and you have hard shut it down?
[04:40] <chathura> several times for day
[04:40] <varunendra> chathura, do you know if your graphics adapter is an onboard intel or another one like ati or nvidia?
[04:40] <chathura> then i have to hard shut down
[04:41] <chathura> it is intel
[04:41] <wilee-nilee> !reisub | chathura might work
[04:41] <varunendra> any proprietary drivers recommended or in use? chathura
[04:43] <lotuspsychje> chathura: what was default Os on your compaq?
[04:43] <chathura> after machine hang keybord mouse notworking
[04:43] <chathura> windows
[04:43] <chathura> windows 7
[04:43] <lotuspsychje> chathura: try setting network boot to enabled in bios, some machines freez on ubuntu
[04:45] <lotuspsychje> chathura: not sure if this is your case, but worth a try
[04:45] <chathura> is there any relation ship with eclipse
[04:45] <chathura> IDE
[04:46] <wilee-nilee> chathura, is this your thread. http://askubuntu.com/questions/4408/what-should-i-do-when-ubuntu-freezes
[04:47] <kriskropd> during ubuntu installation, there is an option for a general collection of packages called "large selection of fonts" - can anyone point me to a resource that tells me which all packages are included in that?
[04:48] <cloudgeek> command line music player
[04:55] <lotuspsychje> im trying to get sound working on gweled like this bug : https://bugs.launchpad.net/gweled/+bug/681203 but after adding ppa it still says gweled is latest version
[04:56] <lotuspsychje> its a lovely candycrush lookalike for ubuntu, would be nice to fix sound on it
[04:59] <lotuspsychje> the ppa has failed to download, maybe because latest distro is 11.10
[05:06] <unknown__> Hey could someone tell me if I configured wireshark right?
[05:07] <unknown__> I reconfigured the dpkg to common and chmod +x
[05:13] <lotuspsychje> unknown__: man wireshark ?
[05:14] <lotuspsychje> unknown__: http://wiki.wireshark.org/CaptureSetup
[05:14] <Dwade09> i updated my laptop from 12.04 to 12.10  now my laptop boots to the ubuntu loading screen then when it loads its a black screen and stays a black screen.
[05:16] <lotuspsychje> Dwade09: maybe try a failsafeX from grubrecovery or previous kernel boot?
[05:16] <gartral> this happens even when I do a raw SSH connection
[05:16] <gartral> hey all, I've been fighting with some remote service issues and I can't get my SSH keys to be used, every time I push/change a key, log out and back in in, the server is asking for a password even though i know for a fact a valid key exists on both the server and my desktop
[05:16] <Dwade09> lotuspsychje,  i cant access anything it freezes up
[05:17] <lotuspsychje> Dwade09: did you try loading grub with holding shift at boot?
[05:17] <Dwade09> lotuspsychje,  yes it wont let me
[05:18] <lotuspsychje> Dwade09: thats not normal mate, grub should load at least
[05:20] <wilee-nilee> Dwade09, Have you modified the grub timeout?
[05:21] <Dwade09> wilee-nilee, nope. it doesn't matter im going to try a older version anyways
[05:21] <wilee-nilee> Dwade09, You familiar with nomodeset if you get the grub menu?
[05:32] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. If you are connected to your router via wireless.. and are downloading stuff (like with apt-get)  then plug in the wire.. does the system auto switch over to the faster connection? ive never noticed if it does or not
[05:32] <Dr_Willis> or should one disable wireless by hand.
[05:39] <wilee-nilee> Dr_Willis, The only thing I have noticed with changing from either is the last one enabled is the default generally.
[05:39] <Dr_Willis> i switched in mid-download of a file. ;) wonder what it did then. heh
[05:39] <Dr_Willis> i turned off wireless befor i did the apt-get dist-upgrade    just in case
[05:39] <SupaSol> hello here
[05:40] <cfhowlett> SupaSol, greetings
[05:40] <wilee-nilee> no sudo apt-get -f install I assume
[05:43] <Guest4562> hello,i have a server that has ben hacked.so i want to find all file with the ---i---- attr.I man find and does not find any help.can u help me?
[05:44] <cfhowlett> !ubuntu-server|Guest4562,
[05:47] <Dr_Willis> find / -perm [-|+]0777 (or similar mode)
[05:47] <Dr_Willis> whatever perm 'i' is ;)  cant say ive used that in .. well.. ever
[05:48] <Guest4562> sorry for the trouble.I knew.  thanks Dr_Willis
[05:48] <pdizzle_> Hi all. I don't have Thunderbird installed but it's listed as new install under 'important security updates'. Any idea why? Safe to ignore it?
[05:49] <Dr_Willis> lsattr -R ¦ grep "\-i-"
[05:49] <qin_> Guest4562: Dr_Willis you too fast
[05:49] <Dr_Willis> its listing the update changelog i imagine pdizzle_ .
[05:50] <Dr_Willis> qin_:  ;) now i cant say that ive ever used lsattr or chattr
[05:50] <qin_> haha
[05:52] <pdizzle_> OK makes sense. Thanks Dr_Willis
[05:52] <Dr_Willis> i guess if your X log file in home was getting to be 13+gb like mine was last week.. that could be a way to stop that
[06:04] <qin_> Decided to spread gossipes that SteamOS is some offshot of Sabayon... and I do not care if it's not really accurate.
[06:04] <teknix> Is there a python editor than I can change background to transparent?
[06:05] <qin_> teknix: gvim?
[06:05] <arayaq> teknix: define python editor?
[06:05] <Dr_Willis> qin_:  its actually minix ;)
[06:05] <teknix> well I use Idle, and it color codes the commands and loops and such
[06:06] <Dr_Willis> vi and set a transparent terminal..
[06:06] <Dr_Willis> ive never seen how a transparent background makes things more 'readable'
[06:06] <Dr_Willis> !info geany
[06:06] <qin_> Dr_Willis: it's bad joke.
[06:06] <teknix> I'm making it look nice :) DR_Willis
[06:06] <Dr_Willis> teknix:  making it look ugly. ;P
[06:07] <teknix> Dr_Willis black on high contrast is ftw~
[06:07] <Dr_Willis> ive noticed things are slowly moveing away from useless transparency effects in a lot of apps' and os's
[06:07] <Dr_Willis> and useless eye candy effects.
[06:07] <teknix> I also like to see whats behind the windows
[06:07] <Dr_Willis> teknix:  thats just it.. if you can see behind.. you cant really see whts in front. ;)
[06:08] <Andrew_Wiggin> Hello all o7
[06:08]  * Dr_Willis is reminded of those Phone-Camera-Live-wallpapers that let you 'use the phone as you walk'  ;P
[06:08] <teknix> Multi-tasking Dr_willis, :P
[06:09] <qin_> teknix: I think compiz have transparency too, so you can alfa Idle
[06:09] <Dr_Willis> teknix:  now if you were that distracted  while driveing.. :) you would get arrested. heh
[06:09] <Dr_Willis> compiz has a plugin to make any window transparent to differnt levels
[06:09] <Dr_Willis> but it does the whole window i belive. title and decorations
[06:09] <teknix> Dr_willis you guys have done a great job with ubuntu, it's waaay better than windows
[06:09] <qin_> teknix: or swap to tilling
[06:10] <Dr_Willis> teknix:  most of us in her are not the the developers. ;)
[06:10] <Dr_Willis> we are just support/end users
[06:10] <teknix> compiz seemed buggy to me qin
[06:10] <Andrew_Wiggin> Could somoene possibily assist me? I just booted up my media server running Ubuntu 12.10 and I just can't seem to get it to run with out major system lag.
[06:10] <teknix> yeah but I wouldn't know how awesome it is without you guys helping :)
[06:11] <Dr_Willis> compiz is a lot more stable then  it used to be. *shudder*
[06:11] <Dr_Willis> ;)
[06:11] <Andrew_Wiggin> It's been like this for a while, just haven't had time to adjust it. System monitor says the CPU is peaking around 84% but RAM is staying around 50% at 2Gb. But im still getting heavy system lag
[06:12] <Andrew_Wiggin> Also my main HDD has 300+ Gb / 1.2Tb
[06:12] <Andrew_Wiggin> Any suggestions?
[06:12] <aeon-ltd> Andrew_Wiggin: what happened before the lag?
[06:13] <Andrew_Wiggin> Honestly, I cant remember. It's been like this for ages. I almost am never in the desktop
[06:13] <Andrew_Wiggin> It's a decent rig. AMD 2c, 4Gb RAM, Running 64 bit Ubuntu 12.10
[06:13] <aeon-ltd> Andrew_Wiggin: what's running now?
[06:14] <Andrew_Wiggin> and a GT 520
[06:14] <Andrew_Wiggin> In the front? Firefox 1 tab, rythem box, and system monitor
[06:14] <Andrew_Wiggin> compiz is sucking up most of the memory/CPU usage... not sure what it is though haha. Guessing the GUI?>
[06:14] <aeon-ltd> Andrew_Wiggin: and it lags when doing what?
[06:15] <Andrew_Wiggin> Anything really, opening programs or just moving the mouse.
[06:15] <aeon-ltd> Andrew_Wiggin: update gpu drivers? or don't run compiz?
[06:15] <Andrew_Wiggin> Or moving program windows too
[06:15] <Andrew_Wiggin> what is compiz?
[06:16] <aeon-ltd> Andrew_Wiggin: a compositing manager, it handles visual effects and can also manage windows
[06:16] <Andrew_Wiggin> that sounds like the issue
[06:16] <Andrew_Wiggin> can i just kill it?
[06:17] <Andrew_Wiggin> haha nope.
[06:17] <cfhowlett> Andrew_Wiggin, turn off visual effects
[06:17] <aeon-ltd> Andrew_Wiggin: if it's managing your windows i wouldn't
[06:17] <Andrew_Wiggin> kk cfhowlett gonna reboot and try that
[06:18] <Andrew_Wiggin> how do you turn off visual effects?
[06:19] <Andrew_Wiggin> or is there some kind of low-end GUI option?
[06:19] <qin_> Andrew_Wiggin: you could use metacity instead of compiz
[06:19] <Andrew_Wiggin> Is that recommended for lower-end systems?
[06:20] <cfhowlett> Andrew_Wiggin, lower end systems like xubuntu and lubuntu. to get a taste, install lxde and xfce4.  logout.  choose one. login.  enjoy.
[06:21] <Andrew_Wiggin> I mean i feel like my system should be able to handle any OS really
[06:22] <Andrew_Wiggin> its a 2c but has a GT 520 and 4Gb of ram.
[06:22] <xmetal> my system ios not the slowest and i still like those two DE's
[06:22] <xmetal> (my "main" system that is)
[06:22] <cfhowlett> Andrew_Wiggin, yeah ... feelings aside, it's free to test the options I suggested.
[06:22] <Andrew_Wiggin> totally ill test them
[06:22] <cfhowlett> Andrew_Wiggin, fwiw, xubuntu is the base of ubuntustudio ...
[06:23] <Andrew_Wiggin> gonna try turning off visual fx first, whats the simpliest way to do that in my current setup
[06:24] <karab44> hello
[06:24] <Rory> Hello karab44
[06:24] <Andrew_Wiggin> think i got a solution, gonna test.
[06:27] <teknix> Well thanks for your help everyone, I'm going to sleep ttyl!
[06:30] <Andrew_Wiggin> cfhowlett ok that fixed some of the lag
[06:32] <cfhowlett> Andrew_Wiggin, the more eye candy the bigger the load.   if you've got an integrated gpu, the slow down can be noticeable.  Less eye-candy, less load.
[06:33] <Andrew_Wiggin> i have a standalone GPU, but it's lightweight
[06:33] <Andrew_Wiggin> just a 1GB GT 520
[06:33] <Andrew_Wiggin> im installing LXDE
[06:33] <cfhowlett> Andrew_Wiggin,  and you see the result ... :)
[06:34] <Andrew_Wiggin> how do i know im running lxde not compiz
[06:34] <cfhowlett> Andrew_Wiggin, logout.  click on the gear icon.  select lxde as your desktop environment.  login.
[06:36] <Andrew_Wiggin> ommmmg
[06:36] <Andrew_Wiggin> night and day
[06:36] <Andrew_Wiggin> Ty <3
[06:36] <cfhowlett> Andrew_Wiggin, ain't it though?
[06:36] <Andrew_Wiggin> wtf is running in stock Ubuntu that so system resource intenseive?
[06:36] <Andrew_Wiggin> intensive*
[06:37] <cfhowlett> Andrew_Wiggin, hey also see xfce4.  Depending on your preference, you might wish to get the full package xubuntu/lubuntu .  every OS has a load.  the relatively mid-range graphic requirements and your limited gpu = unsatisfactory results.
[06:37] <Mattias> Andrew_Wiggin: I'd recommend you install Awesome or some other tiling wm :)
[06:37] <Andrew_Wiggin> thanks man
[06:39] <kostkon> Andrew_Wiggin, 1gb graphics card a lightweight?
[06:39] <Mattias> Yeah, that card should be able to handle compiz fine
[06:39] <Andrew_Wiggin> kostkon compared to my main, yes.
[06:39] <cfhowlett> kostkon, depending on the load, yeah that could be considered light.
[06:40] <Mattias> The problem might be you haven't installed the correct graphics drivers yet?
[06:40] <kostkon> Andrew_Wiggin, for the latest fps maybe yes, for ubuntu hell no
[06:40] <kostkon> cfhowlett, yeah
[06:40] <Andrew_Wiggin> haha yeah i thought as much
[06:40] <Andrew_Wiggin> lxde is doing me fine now
[06:48] <vinceableworld> upgraded to 13.04 - wi-fi dropouts still a problem.
[06:49] <cfhowlett> !wifi|vinceableworld,
[06:49] <cfhowlett> !wifi|vinceableworld,
[06:49] <cfhowlett> vinceableworld, what is your wifi chipset?  broadcom?
[06:51] <vinceableworld> I'm not sure how do I find out?
[06:53] <Dr_Willis> lspci command shows info about your cards
[06:53] <vinceableworld> That looks like a pretty old page
[06:53] <vinceableworld> thanks
[06:53] <Dr_Willis> the core info is still the same. ;)
[06:53] <Dr_Willis> but if the card works. but has driver issues.. there may or may not be alternative drivers
[06:54] <vinceableworld> lotta info on this screen
[06:54] <vinceableworld> looks like intel
[06:54] <Dr_Willis> the exact chipset of the wifi - will be imporntant.
[06:54] <cfhowlett> !paste|vinceableworld,   paste it up
[06:55] <vinceableworld> can't copy for some reason
[06:55] <vinceableworld> 3400 Series Chipset
[06:55] <Dr_Willis> install and use the pastebinit command. ;) if you want
[06:56] <vinceableworld> Sure
[06:56] <Dr_Willis> id say check askubuntu.com and the forums about that exact chipset and see if anyone else has the same issues. and what possible fixs they used
[06:56] <vinceableworld> the card works cuz it works fine in windows
[06:58] <vinceableworld> how do I install that command Dr?
[06:58] <Dr_Willis> !pastebinit
[06:59] <Dr_Willis> 'sudo apt-get install pastebinit'
[07:01] <vinceableworld> okay now I got what I want in pastebin - what's the command?
[07:01] <vinceableworld> in terminal rather
[07:02] <Dr_Willis> the bot gave a example. ;)
[07:02] <Dr_Willis> command | pastebinit
[07:02] <Dr_Willis> or pastebinit filename.txt
[07:02] <Dr_Willis> lspci | pastebinit
[07:13] <dowflyon> hahaha
[07:13] <dowflyon> what
[07:13] <Pingu> hello
[07:14] <Pingu> I have a problem with ubuntu
[07:14] <Pingu> sometimes the sound crackles and wont stop until I close program or log out and back in
[07:14] <dowflyon> sorry do you speak chinese?
[07:14] <dowflyon> can you speak chinese?
[07:15] <POVaddct> !cn
[07:16] <dowflyon> no,many people is here
[07:16] <vinceableworld> paste.ubuntu.com/6148982/
[07:17] <vinceableworld> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6148982/
[07:17] <dowflyon> I just to test irc protocol
[07:17] <vinceableworld> still with me Dr?
[07:18] <Dr_Willis> hmm? ;)
[07:18] <Dr_Willis> 03:00.0 Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8188CE 802.11b/g/n WiFi Adapter (rev 01)
[07:18] <cfhowlett> !test|dowflyon,
[07:18] <Dr_Willis> says wifi adaptor right there. ;)
[07:19] <vinceableworld> okay now what do I do with that info?
[07:19] <Dr_Willis> look it up on the forums and askubuntu.com
[07:19] <Dr_Willis> http://askubuntu.com/search?tab=votes&q=RTL8188CE
[07:20] <Dr_Willis> http://askubuntu.com/questions/90933/realtek-rtl8188ce-wifi-adapter-doesnt-connect-reliably
[07:22] <Dr_Willis> !info linux-backports-module
[07:22] <Dr_Willis> !info linux-backports-modules
[07:24] <Wiz_KeeD> hello guys
[07:24] <cfhowlett> Wiz_KeeD, greetings
[07:24] <delbo> hi
[07:24] <delbo> Is this the place to get some ubuntu help?
[07:25] <Dr_Willis> yes delbo
[07:25] <cfhowlett> delbo, yes indeed.
[07:25] <cfhowlett> !details|delbo,
[07:25] <Dr_Willis> vinceableworld:  from what im reading. it Might be an issue with the power-saveing mode of the card.  the command           sudo iwconfig wlan0 power off            'should' disable the powersaveing feature
[07:26] <Dr_Willis> vinceableworld:  a sort of old guide i found -> http://www.hitxp.com/articles/software/ubuntu-fix-slow-wireless-internet-connection-speed-upgrading-11-04-natty-narwhal/
[07:27] <errhunter> I am runnig Ubuntu 13.04 Gnome 3.8 Latest. I used diff place to do my work, at all place i have ethernet, so i plug unplug very frequntly. some time i get Unmanaged Status of Ethernet. And to solve that i have reboot system, which i dont want.
[07:27] <Dr_Willis> errhunter:  restart the network service perhaps?
[07:27] <delbo> wonderful! I've just installed Ubuntu 13.04 on a desktop PC and the mouse freezes after a couple of movements after the desktop loads up. The keyboard works fine. I've tried other mice, and other USB ports on the computer. Anyone seen this before?
[07:28] <Pingu> hey
[07:28] <omg_scout> hi
[07:28] <Pingu> my sound keeps messing up
[07:28] <cfhowlett> delbo, this is a blue tooth mouse?
[07:29] <Pingu> I have surround sound 7.1
[07:29] <bejker> hi
[07:29] <Pingu> and it sometimes crackles
[07:29] <cfhowlett> !sound
[07:29] <omg_scout> wow
[07:29] <delbo> no, it's a USB mouse. (and another one is a wireless with a USB dongle)
[07:30] <omg_scout> yesterday installed win8+ ubuntu 13.04 dualboot
[07:30] <omg_scout> was shocked to notice that during installation of ubuntu, it took wifi password from windows
[07:30] <omg_scout> wow
[07:30] <Pingu> anyone have the same problem?
[07:30] <Pingu> becuase I really dont want to log out and in every time it messes up
[07:31] <Dr_Willis> omg_scout:  as far as i know - installing ubuntu dosent touch anything on the windows drives - they dont even have a user-migration wizard any more.
[07:31] <Dr_Willis> omg_scout:  you mean it 'learned' the wifi password from windows?
[07:31]  * wilee-nilee raises one eyebrow on that statement
[07:32] <omg_scout> yeah
[07:32] <omg_scout> I am prettu sure
[07:32] <omg_scout> clean disk
[07:32] <cfhowlett> omg_scout  NEVER seen passwords passed from windows to ubuntu.  NEVER.
[07:32] <omg_scout> installed w8
[07:32] <FloodBot1> omg_scout: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[07:32] <Dr_Willis> id need to see proof of that ;)
[07:32] <omg_scout> I inserted ubuntu stick and it already knew my wifi password. Impressive
[07:33] <Pingu> haha
[07:33] <Pingu> thats cool
[07:33] <wilee-nilee> its voodoo man
[07:34] <LinuxGold> NSA must have done that I guess?
[07:34] <Dr_Willis> or he did it - while drunk and dosent rember. ;P
[07:34] <vinceableworld> These wireless issues are not a very good advertisement for ubuntu - as well as the problem solving portion.
[07:34] <LinuxGold> lol
[07:35] <omg_scout> LinuxGold: That was my first thought
[07:35] <Dr_Willis> vinceableworld:  its more about the hardware makers not always supporting linux.
[07:35] <learntoplay> hi i can only open ubuntu from nomodeset, what can i do
[07:35] <cfhowlett> vinceableworld, not an ubuntu issue.  if hardware OEM's don't support linux, someone has to hack it.  imprecisely and not always successfully
[07:35] <vinceableworld> just tryin to find the hack
[07:35] <Dr_Willis> given the issues just a few years ago with wifi.. i have seen less and less wifi issues on a daily basis in here
[07:35] <Dr_Willis> its always seems to be the same few HW makers/chipsets with most of the issues
[07:36] <Dr_Willis> then theres always the occasional kernel bug :)
[07:36] <vinceableworld> seems like its working better in 13.04 but prob just my imagination
[07:36] <wilee-nilee> learntoplay, make sure you are updated and run software-properties-gtk and check additional drivers
[07:36] <cfhowlett> Dr_Willis, I think they're doing an "apple".  every upgrade breaks the previous linux workaround
[07:36] <del_> Hi. Sorry. I haven't IRC'd for about 10 years. Let's try again :)
[07:36] <omg_scout> Hi;)
[07:37] <vinceableworld> There's comp manufactures that release w/linux right?
[07:37] <djlanz> did you check the box mentioned other operating system found inside the machine *windows 7 partition* if you did that i guess some information from that drive will be copied by ubuntu happens to me twice
[07:37] <cfhowlett> vinceableworld, dell and hp are the major OEM's ...
[07:37] <cfhowlett> !hardware
[07:37] <del_> So the problem is that on a fresh install of 13.04 the mouse freezes after a short moment of movement. I've tried 2 mice, in multiple USB ports - all to the same effect. Any help would be awesome!
[07:39] <learntoplay> wilee-nilee up to date
[07:39] <wilee-nilee> del_, This happen on the live cd/usb?
[07:39] <learntoplay> wilee-nilee it worked before but now it can only be run in nomodeset
[07:39] <del_> wilee0nilee no. it worked fine on the DVD
[07:40] <learntoplay> i might have tried to "Activate nvidia drivers" yesterday
[07:40] <wilee-nilee> learntoplay, Did you per chance install proprietary graphic drivers?
[07:41] <learntoplay> there was a icon uptop that told me to select one of two nvidia drivers, thats all i remember, sorry
[07:41] <wilee-nilee> learntoplay, did you check additional drivers as I suggested?
[07:42] <learntoplay> wilee-nilee i had no additional drivers
[07:42] <vinceableworld> same here
[07:42] <wilee-nilee> learntoplay, the app  additional drivers
[07:43] <vinceableworld> There's an application called additional drivers?
[07:43] <learntoplay> wilee-nilee no proprietary drivers in use on this system
[07:43] <wilee-nilee> learntoplay, in the terminal run "software-properties-gtk" and look in additional drivers
[07:44] <learntoplay> i dont see additional drivers
 i am on 12.04
[07:44] <wilee-nilee> learntoplay, and you just tried the additional drivers app, and you see nothing there?
[07:45] <learntoplay> wilee-nilee, it says no prpriertary drivers are in use and with updates i cant find any
[07:46] <learntoplay> wilee-nilee, my system was up to date but this suddenly happened
[07:46] <wilee-nilee> learntoplay, You don't see the nvidia drivres you "may" have installed listed there?
[07:46] <learntoplay> wilee-nilee, no
[07:47] <wilee-nilee> learntoplay, run lspci in the terminal and post the graphic hardware info.
[07:47] <learntoplay> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GF110 [GeForce GTX 560 Ti 448 Cores] (rev a1)
[07:48] <learntoplay> wilee-nilee, i also have 00:02.0 Display controller: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09)
[07:48] <learntoplay> wilee-nilee, but nothing is connected to that one
[07:48] <learntoplay> wilee-nilee, comes with the motherboard
[07:50] <learntoplay> wilee-nilee, at one point i had messed up my xconfig file and i tried to run nvidia-xconfig which did not allow me
[07:50] <wilee-nilee> learntoplay, From what little info here we have so far it looks like a dual graphics setup, lets see what others might know, I'm not sure.
[07:51] <wyclif> hi there everybody
[07:51] <cfhowlett> wyclif, greetings
[07:51] <del_> hey
[07:52] <learntoplay> wilee-nilee, does my xconfig file matter now?
[07:53] <learntoplay> wilee-nilee, or is it a sudden hardware issue?
[07:53] <wyclif> cfhowlett: del_: greetz
[07:53] <wilee-nilee> learntoplay, I'm not sure.
[07:54] <learntoplay> what exactly does  nomodeset do to your pc
[07:55] <cfhowlett> learntoplay, accepts the very basic, no frills display configuration for emergency display
[07:56] <Dr_Willis> cant recall the last time i used 'nvidia-xconfig' i tend to just install the drivers. reboot. run 'nvidia-settings' to tweak the stuff
[07:57] <deepblue> there is an entry in grub that i wanna delete
[07:57] <cfhowlett> !grub|deepblue,
[07:58] <wyclif> learntoplay: here is a good resource that explains what nomodeset does http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Nomodeset
[07:58] <AjunS> hello all
[07:59] <cfhowlett> AjunS, greetings
[07:59] <wyclif> AjunS: hi there
[07:59] <omg_scout> hi
[07:59] <wyclif> omg_scout: hi
[07:59] <del_> Any thoughts on the non-responsive mouse? It works for just a few motions after boot up.
[08:00] <cfhowlett> del_, does the mouse have a ball?  cleaning ...
[08:00] <cfhowlett> del_, even LED mice need to cleaned ... especially with kids, beverages, smokers around
[08:00] <wyclif> del_ a little white alcohol dos wonders
[08:00] <del_> cfhowlett, not a ball mouse. I've tried two mice. and a few different USB ports
[08:00] <del_> cfhowlett, this is on a clean install of 13.04
[08:01] <AjunS> sorry I cant pass through my desktop in kali-linux... it keeps loading to show my log in desktop but it doesnt loads up... is there a way to recovery. please help
[08:01] <litsand> part
[08:01] <AjunS> part
[08:01] <cfhowlett> del_, understood.  so : discounting software issues, check the hardware.  30 seconds of cleaning might be illuminating ...
[08:01] <wyclif> AjunS: no terminal??
[08:01] <cfhowlett> AjunS, kali?  not supported here.  pretty sure if you look, you'll find their support channels.
[08:02] <wylde> AjunS: #kali-linux
[08:02] <AjunS> yes I'm there.. no suipport or response
[08:02] <AjunS> tired of waiting
[08:02] <del_> cfhowlett, well it worked fine on the DVD install and the 'trial' -live CD… so it's not likely to be hardware to my knowledge
[08:02] <AjunS> sorry for bothering you guys.. thanks
[08:02] <cfhowlett> AjunS, one GOOD reason to choose ubuntu I'd say ... still: kali ain't supported here.  sorry.  consider your options.
[08:03] <AjunS> you're welcome bro
[08:03] <cfhowlett> del_, OK, well this one is officially over my head.  sorry.
[08:03] <del_> cfhowlett, thanks :(  I'm stumped :(
[08:04] <wylde> del_: only issue I've ever run into is the occaisional need to remove my wireless reciver and plug it back in.
[08:04] <def_> What to read, how to create a multiboot DVD like LinuxFormat magazine do with ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu and maybe ubuntu server of the same release version on it?
[08:05] <del_> wide, thanks man, but I've tried that too… It's really weird. I'm wondering if I should try an earlier build to see how that goes..
[08:06] <Dr_Willis> def_:  pendrivelinux site has  tools to make such a thing
[08:06] <Dr_Willis> 'multisystem' i think its called
[08:06] <del_> the keyboard works fine all the time, and the mouse works well for about 10 seconds of moving it about, then it's over red-rover for the mouse :(
[08:06] <AjunS> which ubuntu is better off? want to download now
[08:06] <Dr_Willis> del_:  does the light stay on - Inside the mouse
[08:06] <omg_scout> what do you mean which?
[08:06] <otak> http://liveusb.info/dotclear/ seems good too
[08:06] <Dr_Willis> AjunS:  totally depends on what you want and your specs
[08:07] <wilee-nilee> deepblue, So why is it you want to not have this XP notation in grub rather than removing the triggering files?
[08:07] <Dr_Willis> AjunS:  the default is 'ubuntu' most docs focus on that.
[08:07] <Dr_Willis> !manual | AjunS
[08:07] <del_> Dr_Willis, no (nice pickup.. didn't notice that). it turns off!
[08:07] <vinceableworld> interesting went over to pidgin and all the sudden my youtube started loading - pidgin isn't disconnecting but the connection looks connected... but is like slow as molasses
[08:08] <Dr_Willis> del_:  so it could be some power saveing/power issue.  the 'dmesg' command Might give some info if theres some errors
[08:08] <cfhowlett> del_, put a sheet of white paper under the mouse and try again.
[08:08] <deepblue> wilee-nilee: ok,how to remove the triggering files?
[08:08] <wyclif> Otter768: you there?
[08:08] <del_> Dr_Willis, i'll try the dmseg and get back to you.
[08:08] <cfhowlett> AjunS, depends on your system.  Newish?  4 gigs ram?  ubuntu.  older: xubuntu or lubuntu.  want long term support?  12.04
[08:09] <Kartagis> Onixs: hi, did people move away from irc.osx86.hu?
[08:09] <wilee-nilee> deepblue, use this app to run the bootinfo summary only and post the url generated, this will show where they are. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[08:09] <ihre> is there any way to remove a passphrase from a ssh-key, when the actual passphrase has been forgotten (or remove and recreate)?
[08:10] <omg_scout> cfhowlett: I would say that ubuntu needs at least decent integrated graphics for Unity
[08:10] <omg_scout> even more than RAM
[08:10] <row248> How can i see my devices (another hdd)? fdisk -l shows my another hdd, but folder /media/machine is empty.
[08:10] <deepblue> wilee-nilee: ok
[08:10] <omg_scout> hmn, you need to moount?
[08:11] <cfhowlett> omg_scout, "decent"  ... agreed but everyone wants to get maserati performance out of a 1972 le baron.
[08:11] <wilee-nilee> deepblue, on the web page you will see a picture of the app with create a bootinfo summary button, just click that.
[08:11] <del_> Dr_Willis, I've run the dmesg command, but I'm not sure what I'm looking for..
[08:12] <wyclif> b0x: hi
[08:12] <Rad> hello
[08:12] <wyclif> Rad: hi there
[08:13] <Rad> anyone have an idea how to update tcl to the 8.5 version please?
[08:13] <Rad> I'm trying to update it but i'm getting this: Package tcl-8.4.13-6.el5.i386 already installed and latest version
[08:13] <vinceableworld> .
[08:13] <columb> How do I sync my current system time with internet from terminal?
[08:14] <wyclif> Rad: You could try running: package-cleanup --problems
[08:14] <wyclif> package-cleanup --dupes
[08:14] <wyclif> rpm -Va --nofiles --nodigest
[08:15] <Rad> wyclif well in fact i'm using centos :P
[08:15] <Rad> does it work in centos too?
[08:15] <omg_scout> cfhowlett: I generally have never had speed issues on unity, unless I install it on laptop with unsupported ATI Graphic Card;)
[08:15] <wyclif> Rad: um-utils package for sure, not sure about everywhere else :)
[08:16] <Onixs> hi Kartagis.. nope, just taking a break :)
[08:16] <Dr_Willis> del_:  as soon as the mouse acts up. type dmesg (or keep it monitored from a 2nd machine) and see if theres any erorrs at the end
[08:16] <wyclif> in yum-utils for sure
[08:16] <wyclif> Rad: in yum-utils
[08:16] <Kartagis> Onixs: there are 5 people in the channel
[08:16] <Kartagis> Onixs: may I pm you?
[08:16] <Rad> ok thx
[08:17] <Dr_Willis> Rad:  so what version are you wanting?
[08:17] <Rad> i want
[08:17] <Rad> 8.5
[08:17] <Onixs> Kartagis sure
[08:17] <Rad> but it always install the 8.4 version
[08:17] <Dr_Willis> Rad:  if 8.5 is not in the repos. then wats in the repos IS the latest version avail. ;)
[08:17] <Dr_Willis> !info tcl
[08:17] <Rad> no there is a 8.5 version
[08:17] <Rad> but yum say 8.4 is the latest one :[
[08:17] <Dr_Willis> !info tcl8.6
[08:18] <Dr_Willis> Rad:  that dosent mean its in the repos.
[08:18] <del_> Dr_Willis, ah ok. I'll have to restart and spend a bit of time on that because of the fraction of a moment I have to capture that error. Thanks for your help - I hope it sends me on a trajectory to repair :)  Thanks again ppl.
[08:18] <DJones> Rad: WHich version of Ubuntu are you using
[08:18] <Dr_Willis> and there seems to be a tcl 8.6 in the repos
[08:18] <Rad> DJones well i'm using centos
[08:18] <Dr_Willis> !info tcl8.5
[08:18] <Dr_Willis> looks like theres tcl8.5 also ;)
[08:19] <DJones> Rad: You'll need yo ask in the centos support channel then, this channel only deals with Ubuntu support
[08:19] <vinceableworld> did anyone see my test 1 2 3?
[08:19] <Rad> i can't access it :P
[08:19] <Rad> well thanks anyway
[08:19] <Rad> i will try to install it manually :)
[08:19] <omg_scout> vinceableworld: I belive noone did
[08:19] <babinlonston> How can i enable filter Module in httpd.conf its not there then how can i add it ? any one there to help ?
[08:19] <AjunS> Ubuntu 13.04 or Ubuntu 12.04 LTS which is better?
[08:19] <vinceableworld> okay so I was offline while it looks like I was online.
[08:20] <vinceableworld> and pidgin was making me think I was online too... letting me chat in the box.
[08:20] <wilee-nilee> !best | AjunS
[08:20] <vinceableworld> had to manually disconnect and reconnect
[08:20] <Dr_Willis> AjunS:  13.10 is due out next month
[08:20] <vinceableworld> very anoying.
[08:20] <Dr_Willis> AjunS:  totally depends on your needd and exact hardware
[08:20] <wh-hw> hi
[08:20] <wyclif> AjunS: 12.04 LTS if you are a programmer or prefer stability :)
[08:21] <vinceableworld> Dr? think it will have wi-fi upgrades? lol
[08:21] <Dr_Willis> AjunS:  if you have a new laptop that came out like this month.. the 13.04 may work better
[08:21] <wh-hw> anybody know how to install libkmod on 12.04 LTS?
[08:21] <wh-hw> hello
[08:22] <wyclif> wh-hw hi there
[08:22] <AjunS> thanks to all.... 12.04 LTS download started
[08:22] <wyclif> AjunS: you will have fun with that :)
[08:22] <wh-hw> wyclif, do you know ?
[08:23] <wh-hw> wyclif, how to install it ?
[08:23] <wh-hw> libkmod
[08:23] <cfhowlett> AjunS, suggest you torrent if you're not already.  and, of course, come back if you run into challenges.
[08:23] <AjunS> I bet I will.. but tht should ne after I install kaili menu inside
[08:23] <omg_scout> Well, I am a programmer, and still, I get the freshest possible
[08:23] <gm10_> chanel ubunt-pl
[08:23] <jpds> Dr_Willis: No necessarily, that's the whole point of the backport kernels on 12.04.
[08:24] <AjunS> yeah using IDM on W8 to download it..
[08:24] <gm10_> siema
[08:24] <mister> a
[08:24] <gm10_> SIEMANKO TUTAJ MULTI XDF\
[08:24] <omg_scout> failed channel switch;)
[08:24] <cfhowlett> !english|gm10_, !
[08:24] <mister> siema bejbe
[08:25] <gm10_> siema eniu twoja stara sika na piociongi
 wh-hw hi there
[08:26] <Dr_Willis> jpds:  assuming you can get it working to get backports enabled. ;)
[08:26] <Dr_Willis> jpds:  but thats also the point of the point releases i guess
[08:27] <nooneyouknow> I have two really quick questions.
[08:28] <nooneyouknow> Which package do I install for the usual GTK themes, all of the sort of standard ones? How do I make xrandr work inside .xprofile for Xfce? I used /usr/bin/xrandr for the programs path, but that didnt help too much.
[08:28] <wyclif> wh-hw: can't you just install via tarball?
[08:28] <jpds> Dr_Willis: Yep.
[08:28] <Dr_Willis> nooneyouknow:  .xprofile? You mean .xsession?
[08:28] <wh-hw> wyclif, maybe
[08:28] <nooneyouknow> Should I put it in .xsession instead?
[08:29] <nooneyouknow> Will that run after starting Xfce?
[08:29] <Dr_Willis> nooneyouknow:   most likely you sould be making a script and put it in ~/.config/autostart/
[08:29] <wh-hw> wyclif, but why i can't install it with apt-get
[08:29] <nooneyouknow> Okay, Ill look at that too.
[08:29] <Dr_Willis> because as far as i know .xsession and .xinitrc and so forth are ignored if you select a session at  the lightdm screne
[08:29] <nooneyouknow> Excuse my non-working single quote key.
[08:30] <nooneyouknow> Any ideas for the GTK theme question?
[08:30] <nooneyouknow> Ive got the icon themes installed, so thats okay.
[08:30] <wyclif> wh-hw: kmod_9-3.debian.tar.gz I'm guessing
[08:30] <cfhowlett> !sputnik|omg_scout,
[08:30] <Dr_Willis> nooneyouknow:  use the package manager to search for themes, also the webupd8 and omgubuntu sites often have their own ppa's with the best themes out there.
[08:31] <wyclif> you don't need to apt-get, ubuntu has a tar.gz installer right?
[08:31] <wh-hw> wyclif, ok, thx, i will try
[08:31] <nooneyouknow> I swear there was a gtk-goodies package or something which had a whole bunch of themes in it when I last used Ubuntu.
[08:31] <nooneyouknow> Perhaps a gtk-themes or something.
[08:31] <otak> wh-hw: search for packages: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGet/Howto#Search_commands
[08:31] <wyclif> wh-hw you don't need to apt-get since ubuntu has a tar.gz installer right?
[08:31] <Dr_Willis> theres no such thing as a 'tar.gz' installer.. since a tar.gz COULD be most anything
[08:31] <auronandace> wyclif: tar.gz is an archive, you don't install archives
[08:32] <Dr_Willis> it used to be ages ago you could drag/drop theme files onto the theme settings window and i think it could install them. but all tha tdid  was copy them to .themes i think
[08:32] <wh-hw> i know how to search it \
[08:32] <wh-hw> but there is no package named libkmod
[08:32] <wyclif> auronandace: no I mean the GUI program that shows current tar.gz
[08:32] <wh-hw> what need by udev build
[08:33] <nooneyouknow> Ill Google for theme packages.
[08:34] <Dr_Willis> nooneyouknow:  check the ones at the webupd8 site and ppa. they tend to be the best of the best
[08:36] <nooneyouknow> Dr_Willis: Cool, thanks. You've been a big help.
[08:36] <nooneyouknow> I'll hack an autostart file to fix my screens and look on there for themes.
[08:38] <JustSomeGuy> hi is there something like portaudit from freebsd for ubuntu? i just want a list of packages which need security updates
[08:47] <TJ-> JustSomeGuy: "apt-get -su upgrade | grep security"
[08:50] <wyclif> shashank_: hey
[08:51] <wyclif> updating vim to the latest version
[08:52] <JustSomeGuy> TJ-, works great thx
[08:53] <TJ-> JustSomeGuy: You might want to replace 'upgrade' with 'dist-upgrade' in case there are version update/new packages. Unlikely for security updates, but best to cover all bases
[08:54] <Pingu> hello
[08:54] <cfhowlett> Pingu, greetingss
[08:54] <Pingu> how do I install SDL?
[08:55] <cfhowlett> Pingu, ??? sdl?
[08:55] <kostkon> Pingu, "sdl" could be any of these packages
[08:55] <kostkon> !find sdl
[08:56] <Pingu> http://www.libsdl.org/download-1.2.php
[08:56] <MasterOfDisaster> Pingu: what do you want to do with it?
[08:56] <kostkon> Pingu, what are you trying to do
[08:56] <Pingu> I downloaded runtime libraries
[08:56] <Pingu> it is a dependency for a game
[08:57] <Pingu> or compiling one
[08:57] <Pingu> not sure which
[08:57] <Pricey> Pingu: Ubuntu isn't like Windows. You don't just download random things and install them. Instead, you should see if the software you want is in the repositories first.
[08:57] <Pricey> Pingu: Which game?
[08:57] <MasterOfDisaster> Pingu: check if the game is in a ubuntu ppa, then install it from there.
[08:57] <cfhowlett> !details|Pingu, slow your roll, there, Hoss!  Are you trying to develop games or play them?
[08:58] <Pingu> ubottu: You are very intelligent :)
[08:58] <Pingu> I am trying to install this http://source.bungie.org/
[08:59] <Pingu> and no, it is not in the repos
[08:59] <Pingu> neither os SDL
[08:59] <Pingu> *id
[08:59] <Pingu> *is
[08:59] <omg_scout> sdl isn't in repos?
[09:00] <Pingu> repositories
[09:00] <Pingu> dont think it is
[09:00] <kostkon> Pingu, 100s of software uses sdl so obviously it is in the repos
[09:00] <Pingu> haha ok
[09:00] <Pingu> what is the name of the package?
[09:01] <OerHeks> libsdl is the same version in the repositoryshttp://packages.ubuntu.com/raring/libsdl1.2-dev
[09:01] <kostkon> Pingu, are you getting any eroors whn trying to run the game?
[09:02] <kostkon> oh it needs to be compiled first
[09:02] <Pingu> when I run ./configure && make && make install I get  You need SDL 1.2 to run Aleph One.
[09:02] <Pingu> yeah
[09:02] <Pingu> im trying to compile
[09:04] <kostkon> Pingu, een after installing libsld1.2-dev?
[09:05] <Pingu> libsld1.2-dev isnt in the repository
[09:06] <kostkon> libsdl1.2-dev*
[09:06] <Pingu> ok
[09:06] <omg_scout> !find libsdl1.2-dev
[09:07] <omg_scout> Maybe you got somehow your repositories links removed/modified?
[09:08] <bschindler> Hi - what's the best way to get the latest nvidia binary driver into ubuntu 13.04?
[09:09] <bschindler> with latest, I mean 325.xx
[09:09] <Pingu> !find SDL_net
[09:10] <Funkt> hi there i have a problem just tried installing 12.04 and i recieve  starting load fallback graphics devices anyone have any idea?
[09:10] <Pingu> !find zziplib
[09:11] <Pingu> hey
[09:13] <boycey> Hi guys. anyone here that understands autotools ?
[09:14] <Pingu> http://pastebin.com/YghGmepz
[09:16] <kostkon> Pingu, sudo apt-get install libzzip-dev
[09:16] <Pingu> I installed that - no luck
[09:16] <rizal_> anyone ever tried user mirroring with rsync?
[09:16] <Pingu> wait
[09:16] <Pingu> wasnt installed
[09:16] <Pingu> ok I will try again
[09:17] <Pingu> configure: error: You need boost/bind.hpp from the boost library to run Aleph One
[09:17] <Pingu> wow
[09:17] <Pingu> another error
[09:17] <Pingu> !find boost
[09:17] <kostkon> !find bind.hpp
[09:18] <kostkon> Pingu, try with libboost1.53-dev
[09:18] <Acceso> I am trying to get latest Evolution Mail installed, any ppa for Ubuntu 12.04 lts?
[09:18] <Pingu> ok
[09:19] <Pingu> thats not a package
[09:19] <kostkon> !info libboost1.53-dev
[09:19] <kostkon> it is
[09:20] <Pingu> E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'libboost1.53-dev'
[09:21] <Pingu> well I can try 1.4
[09:21] <TJ-> Pingu: What version of Ubuntu are you using? Maybe the package version is different? Try "apt-cache search libboost[[:digit:]].*-dev"
[09:21] <Smedles> hi, is there still a channel for the next ubuntu version - ie 13.10?
[09:22] <Pingu> I am using 12.04.3 LTS
[09:22] <cfhowlett> !saucy|Smedles,
[09:22] <Smedles> cfhowlett: thx
[09:25] <Acceso> I show version 3.2.3-0ubuntu6 in the SC manager for Ubuntu 12.04 lts, is there a way to get latest version or a least a newer one installed?
[09:26] <cfhowlett> Acceso, apt-get dist-upgrade    perhaps?
[09:27] <omg_scout> !sputnik
[09:29] <Acceso> cfhowlett: probably not an option at this time, it's a ubuntu 12.04 derivative.
[09:29] <TJ-> Acceso: You could check for a PPA with a newer version, but that has risks, and I'd suspect that Evolution's dependencies would require many supporting libraries to be upgraded too.
[09:31] <Acceso> TJ-: Thanks for the info, I've been looking for one, I don't seem to have had any luck yet.
[09:31] <TJ-> Acceso: That suggests the dependency stack is too complex to make it viable
[09:32] <Pingu> !find vorbisfile
[09:34] <TJ-> Acceso: An alternative is to create a virtual machine and install a recent version of Ubuntu into it, with the version of Evolution you require, and use that on top of your existing installation when you need the Evolution features.
[09:34] <schnitzl> i have xubuntu, skype sends video upside down, i solved the problem with export "LIBV4LCONTROL_FLAGS=3 && LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libv4l/v4l1compat.so skype". now i want to make THIS command the standard whenever i start some link of skype. the one in the bottom menu + the start menu.is this possible to make this somekind of standard?
[09:34] <TJ-> Acceso: Or, install the recent release and Evolution version into a chroot (change root)
[09:35] <Acceso> TJ-: That's definitely an option.
[09:35] <Pingu> still stuck http://pastebin.com/xqwvBBiT
[09:35] <TJ-> schnitzl: You could redirect the skype binary launcher to, say, "skype.real" and then create a "skype" shell-script that sets those before calling "skype.real"
[09:35] <Acceso> TJ-: thanks for all the possibilities you have suggested. What email client do you use and why? For me Exchange is a plus not a must.
[09:36] <schnitzl> okay TJ-, this is a little to high for me. more help would be good! :D
[09:37] <TJ-> Acceso: I used to use Evolution but it became too 'clunky' and most of the Enterprise features weren't needed, so I switched to Mozilla Thunderbird - I use IMAP with approx. 10 separate accounts
[09:37] <Pingu> kostkon, any ideas?
[09:37] <Acceso> TJ-: I see.
[09:39] <kostkon> Pingu, libvorbisfile3?
[09:39] <Pingu> apparently I already have it
[09:40] <TJ-> schnitzl: Its really simple... think about it. Currently all the links to the Skype program point to, say, "/usr/bin/skype" (I don't know the actual file-name so I'm guessing). So, you move/rename that file to, say "/usr/bin/skype.real" and then create a new shell script "/usr/bin/skype" containing the commands you type manually, plus a call to the renamed skype exectuable. Then you make the shell-script executable. All your existing links will then execute your n
[09:40] <TJ-> ew shell script which will configure the correct environment before starting Skype
[09:41] <TJ-> schnitzl: We call that a 'wrapper' script
[09:41] <schnitzl> haha. you are a genius.
[09:41] <schnitzl> thanks man
[09:43] <kostkon> Pingu, libvorbis-dev
[09:43] <kostkon> Pingu, it contains the libvorbisfile.h
[09:43] <Pingu> ok cheers
[09:45] <TJ-> schnitzl: Something like this ought to do it: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6149384/
[09:47] <TJ-> schnitzl: correction, removing the quotes from the export. http://paste.ubuntu.com/6149387/
[09:47] <Pingu> I got a few errors but not sure if it is fatal or not http://pastebin.com/r8hkgvzG
[09:48] <TJ-> Pingu: All errors are fatal. In your case it looks as if you're running "make install" ? To install files to system locations the script needs superuser permissions, so you'd need to do it using "sudo make install"
[09:49] <Pingu> ok thanks
[09:51] <Pingu> I ran this again with sudo and got http://pastebin.com/9vbYFBjU
[09:51] <Pingu> by the way I am running ./configure && make && make install
[09:52] <Pingu> maybe I should do it in smaller bits
[09:52] <Pingu> like separate
[09:53] <TJ-> Pingu: You should only run "sudo make install", not the "./configure" or "make" steps
[09:53] <Pingu> ok I will try that
[09:55] <Pingu> make: *** No rule to make target `install'.  Stop.
[09:55] <TJ-> Pingu: Because you're done a configure and build using 'sudo' it will have created work-product files with root-only access which will now break the build when done as a regular user. You need to first clean up, using something like "sudo make clean" and then build fresh "./configure" then "make" then, if no errors, "sudo make install"
[09:55] <kostkon> Pingu, run sudo make clean  to clean up everything done so far
[09:57] <TJ-> Pingu: It is also possible the source Makefile doesn't have a conventional (expected) 'install' target, which would explain the "No rule to make target" message. In that case you'll need to read the Makefile to identify the correct target name to use, to do the installation step
[09:57] <ikonia> it failed beacause "make" didn't work
[09:57] <airtonix> brotip: use checkinstall instead of make install
[09:57] <ikonia> not because of root
[09:57] <ikonia> it's a "taget" failure
[09:57] <Pingu> ok
[09:57] <ikonia> Pingu: what are you trying to actually build
[09:57] <Pingu> think it will work now
[09:58] <Pingu> http://source.bungie.org/games/marathon.php
[09:58] <ikonia> why do you think it will magically work
[09:58] <ikonia> what has changed
[09:58] <Pingu> well the reason the make failed was becuase I re extracted the zip
[09:58] <Pingu> to start fresh
[09:58] <ikonia> Pingu: honestly - a website that providers such TERRIBLE instructions should really not be used
[09:58] <Pingu> haha yeah
[09:59] <ikonia> Pingu: that is probably the worst/dangerous thing I've seen someone suggest do
[09:59] <Pingu> ok it worked
[10:01] <alex88> hello everyone, is there a way to log every filesystem call of a script ran from console?
[10:01] <ikonia> file system call ?
[10:01] <ikonia> what do you mean ?
[10:01] <LiquidEssence> hey all. I'd just like to ask about scanning a hdd for bad sectors. I know that when using fsck the drive has to be unmounted and it will warn you if that is not the case, telling you that running the check might risk ruining your drive. When I ran badblocks without any options, it didn't say anything and just started scanning, but I had the partition mounted. Because the hdd is quite large I interrupted the scan before it finish
[10:01] <LiquidEssence> ed. Now after putting somme options (badblocks -nvs) it warned me that the drive has to be unounted.  The filesystem seemed to be fine after the interrupted scanI. I guess I'd just like to know if there still a chance that something might have gone wrong and how to chekc
[10:02] <ikonia> LiquidEssence: there is still a chance
[10:02] <kali_eskrima> hello, is this a channel where i can get some ubuntu help?
[10:02] <ikonia> kali_eskrima: it is
[10:02] <kali_eskrima> oh cool!
[10:03] <kali_eskrima> ok.. i got a big problem can i pm you? ikonia?
[10:03] <LiquidEssence> ikonia: is there a way to check it? In what way does scanning a drive while mounted cause damage?
[10:03] <TJ-> alex88: See 'man strace' ... you can do, for example, "strace -o /tmp/strace.log -f -e trace=file <your command>" to write the activity to '/tmp/strace.log'
[10:03] <ikonia> LiquidEssence: not really, as it's block level
[10:03] <ikonia> kali_eskrima: no need to pm me
[10:03] <ikonia> kali_eskrima: just ask the channel
[10:04] <alex88> ikonia: just look at which files a script read and writes
[10:04] <Pingu> well I copied the game files over to /usr/local/share/AlephOne with sudo cp ~/Downloads/Marathon*/* /usr/local/share/AlephOne
[10:04] <ikonia> alex88: you can actually just read the script
[10:04] <ikonia> alex88: it should show you what it reads/writes
[10:04] <kali_eskrima> ok... because i was going to copy and paste, what i already wrote for the launchpad,net.. and its long message/question
[10:04] <alex88> TJ-: isn't strace for debugging compiled tools? I won't get an huge output and not only filesystem calls?
[10:04] <alex88> ikonia: not going to read thousand of lines
[10:04] <ikonia> kali_eskrima: use a pastebin if you need to share long details
[10:04] <Pingu> and I get
[10:04] <Pingu> /usr/local/share/AlephOne
[10:04] <kali_eskrima> what is pastebin?
[10:04] <Pingu> woops not that
[10:05] <ikonia> !pastebin | kali_eskrima
[10:05] <kali_eskrima> sorry im new to this...lost a bit
[10:05] <Pingu> FATAL: Please be sure the files 'Map', 'Shapes', 'Images' and 'Sounds' are correctly installed and try again. (error -1)
[10:05] <Pingu> when I copied them
[10:05] <TJ-> alex88: strace can capture whatever you want, in the example I limited it to file accesses, for the primary script and any children (-f option). "grep" is then your friend when investigating the log
[10:05] <ikonia> Pingu: they are part of the engine, the "game" files
[10:05] <kali_eskrima> ok need to go and try... thanks ,. hold on
[10:05] <alex88> TJ-: oh ok sorry great! ;)
[10:05] <ikonia> Pingu: or you've missed the directories
[10:05] <alex88> thanks!
[10:06] <LiquidEssence> ikonia: oh crap :( I hope that everything will be okay, programs usually warn before doing a risky operation, I guess I should've read the manual first (a lesson for th future). The reason I was checking my drive is that every two or three days the i would get input/output error and would have to run fsck which would recover the journal and then everything would be as it should be again.
[10:06] <Pingu> ikonia, http://pastebin.com/Dg9TcGt7
[10:07] <LiquidEssence> But that's just not normal so I wanted to see if there was anything wong with the disk itself
[10:07] <kali_eskrima> i think i did it right.... here is the link http://paste.ubuntu.com/6149430/
[10:08] <TJ-> LiquidEssence: check the SMART status of the drive, using "smartctl -a", and read the system log "/var/log/kern.log" when you get errors to see whether it is genuine badblocks or some other error (such as controller failure)
[10:08] <ikonia> Pingu: why are you showing me that ?
[10:08] <schnitzl> TJ-, thanks for the script, too, i just got it! yay. learnt sth today :)
[10:08] <ikonia> kali_eskrima: I'm not reading all that
[10:09] <ikonia> kali_eskrima: just a short summary of the problem is all that's needed
[10:09] <Pingu> ikonia, that is the games directory
[10:09] <TJ-> schnitzl: glad you did, learning is the key with open-source
[10:09] <Pingu> ikonia, I think everything is there
[10:09] <ikonia> Pingu: that is not the games directory
[10:09] <schnitzl> yes :D
[10:09] <ikonia> Pingu: it's asking about a directory called "games" and "maps" et
[10:09] <LiquidEssence> TJ-: I tried with SMART, but it said that counter logging was not supported (it is an USB attached external drive and using us, scsi or ata options didn't go through)
[10:09] <ikonia> etc
[10:09] <Pingu> ikonia, yeah
[10:10] <Pingu> ikonia, well in the really bad instructions it says Place the unzipped files in /usr/local/share/AlephOne
[10:10] <Pingu> so thats what I did
[10:10] <kali_eskrima> hmm i tried to do it short but is complicated, because i dont understand the windows 8. and i want to install the ubuntu os to my new laptop. which has already preinstalled <ikonia> <@ubottu>
[10:10] <ikonia> Pingu: I told you about 2 minutes ago "I would not consider using software with such terrible instructions"
[10:11] <kali_eskrima> ok so in short iw ill try
[10:11] <ikonia> kali_eskrima: do you want to replace windows 8 or use ubuntu and windows 8 ?
[10:11] <TJ-> LiquidEssence: aha! As soon as you said "USB" I thought "gotchya" ... many transient faults can occur with USB connected devices, often due to insufficient power for the ports, and/or a combination of devices causing transient interface interruptions. My first test in such cases is to ensure the device has adequate external power, and connect it directly to a USB port on the PC that isn't shared with any other devices
[10:11] <Pingu> ikonia, yeah but I really want it to work even though I could break my system :P
[10:12] <ikonia> Pingu: then contact the people who make the terrible instructions and ask them to clarify
[10:12] <Pingu> ikonia, ok
[10:12] <ikonia> Pingu: the problem is pretty clear, it wants a "maps" directory, there is no maps directory, it wants a "games" directory, there is no games directory etc
[10:12] <kali_eskrima> i want to replace the windows 8. but i was afraid to touch to much the bios and the setting becuase i didnt got a recovery cd with my laptop. supposedly is somewhere inside the directory and i can just burn a copy.. but i dont know how... so yeah i just want to install the ubuntu.,
[10:12] <LiquidEssence> TJ-: I haven't thought about that! I will try to connect it to some other port then, if it's just the problem with the power, that is the least to worry then (except that stupid thing with running badblocks on a mounted drive, duh! :) )  I unmounted the drive and will let fsck -c run on it to see what it will report
[10:13] <ikonia> kali_eskrima: I'd fist contact your vendor about getting the recovery media you use
[10:13] <ikonia> kali_eskrima: do that before doing anything else
[10:14] <LiquidEssence> TJ- and ikonia: Thanks for your advices! So power supply irregularities can cause input/output errors as well?
[10:14] <kali_eskrima> i got the new dvd from uk, i purchased it. and when i put it into the drive, and rebooth my machine, is not booting as ubuntu. it gives me two choices between ubuntu and win8. and when i click ubuntu it says problem for The booting window popped up and said this: Windows failed to start. A recent hardware or software change might be the cause. to fix this problem: 1. insert your windows installation disc and restart the comput
[10:14] <ikonia> kali_eskrima: so contact the vendor and get the recovery media you need before doing anything else
[10:15] <kali_eskrima> but i dont really like windows 8. i will try to contact them then to see if i can get the recovery. i actually searched in the laptop under recovery, and i found it but i didnt want to do it, because its lame the win8. confusing.
[10:15] <kali_eskrima> ok..
[10:15] <Pingu> ikonia, well this would have saved time
[10:15] <Pingu> ikonia, http://sourceforge.net/p/marathon/wiki/Linux%20Install%20Instructions/
[10:15] <ikonia> Pingu: not sure why you are showing me this
[10:16] <kali_eskrima> so anyway why my win 8 bios is only showhing the boot #1 for windows, but no cd room-dvd option?
[10:16] <Pingu> ikonia, it is a list of packages I needed
[10:16] <ikonia> windows 8 is not a bios
[10:16] <TJ-> LiquidEssence: power starvation is one of the most regular issues with USB devices... each port is supposed to be able to provide 0.5amps on each port but many times, especially with cascading hubs, they can't, especially when many ports are in use (and sometimes those ports are internal to a laptop and not obviously shared with the external ports)
[10:16] <ikonia> Pingu: that is for building - you have already built it
[10:16] <ikonia> Pingu: so you already have those packages, or it would not have built
[10:17] <kali_eskrima> even when i put the usb with the ubuntu installation bootable, is not doing anything. my win8 os is one one partition and the other partition is free, nothing on it.
[10:17] <Pingu> ikonia, yes was just saying it would of saved time
[10:17] <ikonia> Pingu: not really
[10:17] <ikonia> Pingu: as you already had the packages, so it wouldn't have made a difference
[10:17] <Pingu> ikonia, but there is no info on how to install it
[10:17] <ikonia> Pingu: yes there is - on the front page
[10:17] <kali_eskrima> i just dont understand, why is not showing to boot from dvd-cd room, as it used to be like that with windows xp, me, and 2000
[10:17] <ikonia> they are terrible instructions, but they are in essence "it"
[10:17] <ikonia> kali_eskrima: as in ##windows
[10:17] <Pingu> ikonia, I mean not very good information
[10:18] <ikonia> Pingu: I know this - I've said this 3 times and that I wouldn't install/trust software so poor
[10:18] <kali_eskrima> what that means? ##windows?
[10:18] <Pingu> ikonia, yeah sorry for bugging you about it
[10:18] <ikonia> kali_eskrima: /join ##windows - it will put you into a windows chat channel
[10:18] <ikonia> Pingu: it's not bugging me about it, I'm not bothered, the software looks terrible, the instructions look terrible, it's up to you what you do
[10:19] <LiquidEssence> TJ-: okay, thank you for the explanation. After fsck will finish it's thing (or I'll interrupt it again, because after 12 minutes it still has to reach 1 percent, which is projected than to last over 2 hours), I'll reconnect it to another usb port, Just one more question: why is running fsck or badblocks while having the drive mounted dangerous?
[10:19] <kali_eskrima> i see, so before anything i will have to resolve from windows side, what is the problem of the windows bios?
[10:19] <ikonia> kali_eskrima: windows is not the bios !
[10:19] <Pingu> ikonia, true
[10:19] <LiquidEssence> * (over 25 hours projected time :))
[10:19] <ikonia> kali_eskrima: I suggest getting your laptop to a working state first
[10:20] <TJ-> LiquidEssence: Basically, the contents of the mounted file-system might change whilst the fsck is looking for inconsistencies, which can cause it to report problems that aren't really there
[10:20] <ikonia> kali_eskrima: or just installing ubuntu and dumping windows - but remember, there will be no way back until you get the recovery media
[10:20] <soman> I want to send a mail with mutt. I cannot understand from web topics: from what account the message will be sent?
[10:20] <LiquidEssence> TJ-: so it's not a problem for the data on the drive itself? I mean stuff won't get wiped?
[10:20] <kali_eskrima> i know windows is not bios, but currently is runinng on windows, and when i boot it its windows bios! and my laptop is new, just bought it
[10:20] <ikonia> soman: the account you are logged in as
[10:20] <Pingu> ikonia, yeah well on this page http://sourceforge.net/p/marathon/wiki/File%20Locations/#linuxbsd_1 it says the files are located in ~/.alephone when on my machine that directory doesnt exist
[10:21] <ikonia> kali_eskrima: if you know it's not a bios, why do you keep saying "windows bios"
[10:21] <kali_eskrima> i know there is no way back, and i dont want to keep the win 8, its horrible
[10:21] <TJ-> LiquidEssence: For large drives I always remove them from the external USB enclosure and hook them up directly on a PATA/SATA/SCSI interface for whole-disk checks... saves SO much time :) In fact, I have a machine here called 'caddy' which is filled with hot-plug caddies for that very reason!
[10:21] <ikonia> kali_eskrima: ok, so you need to get your hardware to boot an ubuntu install DVD or USB
[10:21] <soman> ikonia: you mean my ubuntu account?
[10:21] <TJ-> LiquidEssence: If you've not told fsck to make changes, it is fine
[10:21] <kali_eskrima> because the system that is currently on is windows. does that make sense? is not ubuntu yet
[10:21] <ikonia> soman: no, the system account you are using on the system
[10:21] <ikonia> kali_eskrima: it makes no sense
[10:21] <ikonia> kali_eskrima: I understand you are using windows - but there is no such thing as "windows bios"
[10:21] <soman> ikonia: but what about if I want to use my gmail account or some other
[10:22] <LiquidEssence> TJ-: I'l take that into consideration.
[10:22] <ikonia> soman: then you setup mutt to interact with gmail
[10:22] <kali_eskrima> so what bios is than? whats the name of it?
[10:22] <soman> ikonia: ok, thanks
[10:22] <LiquidEssence> TJ-: thanks again!
[10:22] <ikonia> kali_eskrima: the bios is the small sofware device built into your hardware that controls the hardware even before/without any operating system
[10:23] <kali_eskrima> i have dvd installation cd and usb.. none of them want to boot. if you can read my message, you might understand. i said is complicated. sorry
[10:23] <kali_eskrima> ok so is just bios,.,
[10:23] <ikonia> kali_eskrima: so either a.) your media is bad b.) your hardware is not configured to boot those devices
[10:23] <kali_eskrima> sorry my ignorance.
[10:23] <kali_eskrima> yes i think the optoin b
[10:23] <kali_eskrima> option b
[10:24] <ikonia> kali_eskrima: ok, so now you have a direction to focus on
[10:24] <kali_eskrima> because it doesnt give me any other options.
[10:25] <TJ-> kali_eskrima: When a PC starts the CPU begins with instructions stored in non-volatile Read-Only memory, which is the BIOS (Basic Input/Output System) or EFI (Extended Firmware Interface). That code sets up RAM timings and hardware devices and then eventually loads the first sector from the boot device which begins the boot-loader process, which in turn looks for and loads the operating system kernel. When the PC starts you get an option to enter Setup, and from t
[10:25] <TJ-> hat Setup you can configure boot devices and the order in which they are scanned for a boot sector.
[10:27] <kali_eskrima> aha sounds easy, im just afraid to touch to much and mess it up. i would need step by step instructions, but i know you guys here are more for short and quick answers. thank you anyway, i will wait on the launchpad if anyone is willing to  help me in detail.
[10:27] <Nony> Kali_eskrima: to be honest i did not read what you wrote earlier so maybe i am off track. But i had to disable secureboot to get mine working
[10:27]  * ANub slaps kali_eskrima around a bit with a large trout
[10:27] <ikonia> kali_eskrima: people are not for short answers here
[10:27] <ikonia> ANub: please don't do that
[10:28] <guest-Nosksy> hi
[10:29] <kali_eskrima> no i didnt meant in a bad way, sorry my english is not first language, i meant mostly like right away help and to target the spot and fix it right away., i will need slow doing and thinking, and to try and try until i get the right EFI mode
[10:30] <Nony> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[10:30] <Nony> that helped me get mine going
[10:30] <kali_eskrima> thank you tho for your effort, i think i know what is the problem, i just dont know how to fix it right away. and i needed to use ubuntu for my projects. i will figure it out, thank you and sorry for any offense i might said.
[10:31] <kali_eskrima> is that link for me??
[10:31] <Nony> yes
[10:31] <kali_eskrima> btw how do u slap ppl around with the trout ? haha
[10:31] <kali_eskrima> thank you nony! will look into it
[10:33] <Nony> kali_eskrima i had trouble getting mine to install and boot after i cleared win8 which came with my laptop. In the end I got it going after disabling secureboot theres a bit in that link i gave you that shows you how
 right click on the name and SLAP!!!!! :)
[10:33] <Nony> sorry if thats not what your problemis related to i did not read everything you wrote
[10:33] <Nony> laters
[10:34] <kali_eskrima> and im actually very new to the ubuntu os, so im still learning. does anyone know where can i get  some manual on ubuntu os and how to install and use the black window..i forgot the name..
[10:34] <kali_eskrima> thank  you !!!
[10:35] <Nony> after you install just google what you want
[10:35] <kali_eskrima> haha cool all this little tricks in the irc chanell. and i dont know what it means CTCP version request
[10:35] <kali_eskrima> thanks nony! will try
[10:35] <kali_eskrima> haha yeah there is so much to google about. and youtube too,
[10:36] <TJ-> kali_eskrima: For the documentation/help see https://help.ubuntu.com/
[10:36] <TJ-> kali_eskrima: The 'black window' is, I think, the "terminal" that you are referring to
[10:37] <kali_eskrima> yes the terminal, sorry! haha
[10:37] <rizzuh> Hi. I'm trying to connect to a MySQL server using Navicat via SSH tunneling. For some reason I get the error "Lost connection to MySQL server at 'reading initial communication packet'". What is the underlying cause? TCP forwarding is allowed in ssh_config.
[10:38] <kali_eskrima> ok got all the links, thanks! will look at them all
[10:39] <kali_eskrima> nony one question. u said u had trouble to install too and clear the win 8. so your ubuntu cd/usb was not recognized in bios? or when you booted with it?
[10:42] <Nony> It would not boot with it
[10:47] <ANub> anyone used disk / partition imaging tool on ubuntu as good as norton ghost (MS), besides partimage???
[10:47] <irssi-mike> !une
[10:47] <Guest93572> hellooo
[10:47] <TJ-> ANub: I use "dd"
[10:48] <ANub> TJ-:: dd is good for whole disk backup...not for data portion only
[10:48] <TJ-> ANub: You said "disk / partition" imaging.
[10:49] <ANub> yeap
[10:49] <TJ-> ANub: hence my mention of 'dd'
[10:49] <ANub> i mean only "valuable" data on a disk / partition
[10:49] <ANub> like "macrium / norton ghost
[10:50] <ANub> partimage is also good.....but takes way longer than MS utilities
[10:50] <TJ-> ANub: Well, I use LVM and have LVs assigned for specific purposes for that reason, which is why 'dd' is useful for my use-case, in combination with pipes through gzip and netcat, for example.
[10:51] <ANub> TJ-:: ive tried what you have said......but its wayyyy too slow than "partimage"
[10:52] <OerHeks> dd is faster then Ghost.
[10:52] <ANub> but if you don not compress and write at bs=32M then its fast...but image size is huge
[10:52] <CatKiller> ANub: Check out clonezilla
[10:52] <CatKiller> it's a collection of many linux utilities
[10:52] <TJ-> ANub: Maybe you're doing it in some inefficient way, then, since dd operates on raw block devices and will generally run the device at the maximum speed the interface will support
[10:52] <CatKiller> all packaged up in a bootable image. You can easily create "ghost like" images
[10:53] <CatKiller> and you can pick the "type" of image: partition only, full drive
[10:53] <ANub> CatKiller:: clonezilla uses the same technique as that of partimage.....just more functionalities
[10:53] <CatKiller> or even "compressed filesystem"
[10:53] <CatKiller> yes it's pretty efficient
[10:53] <kali_eskrima> thats what i have a problem with too. ok will do more research into and make a recovery disk just in case. and than try to fix the bios boot. thanks nony! and all of you guys/girls!
[10:53] <CatKiller> compressed filesystem means that a 1000TB partition with 1GB used will yield a < 1GB image
[10:53] <Nony> kali_eskrima disable secureboot and try booting from usb after that. Should work
[10:54] <CatKiller> works with many FS types including HFS+!
[10:54] <kali_eskrima> sorry to ask what would be considered a secureboot from pc view?
[10:54] <Nony> ahh from what i read back then something to do with new bios feature that stops malicious software from booting. basically microsoft controls what you can and cant boot
[10:55] <CatKiller> kali_eskrima: Secureboot: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface#Secure_boot_2
[10:55] <Nony> you go into bios and turn it off
[10:55] <ANub> Cat:: if you have used clonezilla??......which one would you rate more efficient (time + comp ratio)......partimage or clonezilla
[10:55] <ANub> ??
[10:55] <kali_eskrima> and if i do that will that completely change and destroy my memory of booting? in case i do not want to do that, can i go back and change it to as it was?
[10:55] <CatKiller> Well partimage, as you said earlier, is a component of clonezilla
[10:55] <kali_eskrima> and save and exit after i turn it off?
[10:55] <Nony> yes its just like changing boot sequence you can change it anytime you want
[10:55] <Nony> yes
[10:55] <CatKiller> the advantage of clonezilla is that you don't need to learn too much about partimage
[10:56] <CatKiller> and it comes in a small, bootable disk
[10:56] <ANub> CatKiller:: thats correct ;)
[10:56] <CatKiller> the disadvantage is that it can take a few tries before getting it to backup correctly (without having to actually go through with the backup) since the interface is a bit buggy
[10:56] <CatKiller> but I find it's worth it
[10:56] <kali_eskrima> because i tried to 'enable' the 'launch CSM' ...and than save and exit.,and when i came back, it was like i never saved.no changes!
[10:56] <CatKiller> haven't tried a restore yet though :P
[10:56] <CatKiller> But I "imagine" it works. Anyways they're partimage images
[10:57] <CatKiller> it has some nice added functionalities of backing up the partition table
[10:57] <ANub> ive tried it multiple times....backup and restore.......and i luv it..plain & simple
[10:57] <CatKiller> in case you want to restore the entire disk without having to make an entire clone
[10:57] <CatKiller> So what was the original question? :)
[10:57] <CatKiller> Is there something better?
[10:57] <ANub> yeah...is there...???
[10:58] <Nony> give it a shot kali_eskrima
[10:58] <ANub> (time + compression ratio)
[10:58] <kali_eskrima> ok will do. and where is the secureboot located... under the section of boot? coz i dont have that i just looked at the screen shot i got
[10:58] <CatKiller> I don't think so
[10:58] <CatKiller> it's already pretty good
[10:58] <CatKiller> it can also compress using multicore
[10:59] <Nony> check the link i sent you i do not remember i did this about 4-5 months ago
[10:59] <CatKiller> so I mean how much better could it get? :p
[10:59] <ikonia> kali_eskrima: everyone's hardware/bios is different, you should contact your vendor and ask them to walk you through it if you cannot see it yourself
[10:59] <d__> Hi koderam!
[11:00] <ANub> CatKiller::: just to give you an idea.....macrium (16 GB data, compressed into 8 GB in 7 min) while partimage (16GB data, compressed into 10 GB in 23 min)
[11:00] <T4h> If anyone needs some help about windows 95 i'm here
[11:00] <CatKiller> ANub: Same data?
[11:00] <ANub> yeap..same data
[11:00] <ikonia> T4h: please don't be silly - this is an ubuntu support channel
[11:00] <CatKiller> using multicore?
[11:00] <CatKiller> what compression algo?
[11:00] <ANub> yeap....i5
[11:00] <T4h> ikonia no prob, but i just tell you
[11:01] <CatKiller> No but I mean using multiple cores to compress the image?
[11:01] <kali_eskrima> all i have in the boot section is: (in the cascade way)....fast boot (disabled); launch cms (disabled); boot priorities..boot #1 windows boot manager; boot #2 none / or usb UEFI 8.07 (if i plug and reboot with the usb key)... hmmmm
[11:01] <CatKiller> By default it might not do that
[11:01] <CatKiller> It's not really magic in the end
[11:01] <CatKiller> You're either not using all cores, or the compression algo is not as efficient
[11:01] <kali_eskrima> all i have in the boot section is: (in the cascade way)....fast boot (disabled); launch cms (disabled); boot priorities..boot #1 windows boot manager; boot #2 none / or usb UEFI 8.07 (if i plug and reboot with the usb key)... hmmmm
[11:01] <CatKiller> or a combination of both
[11:01] <ikonia> kali_eskrima: stop repeating it
[11:02] <ikonia> kali_eskrima: if you are unsure - contact your hardware vendor and ask them for the process to disable secure boot
[11:02] <kali_eskrima> oh sorry didnt saw that i double said it
[11:02] <Nony> yes thats the best way
[11:02] <ikonia> kali_eskrima: everyone elses menu's are different as it depends on the hardware, if you are in any doubt your hardware vendor can walk you through the process
[11:02] <kali_eskrima> ok will do that
[11:02] <ANub> CatKiller:: can you force multicore utilization in "partimage"...?
[11:02] <kali_eskrima> sorry
[11:02] <schnitzl> weird problem. if i boot up my ubuntu server, i got stockin the ubuntu loading screen, some kind of boot loop. no x.org installed. just console. i can ctrl+alt+3 to chang to another tty....any ideas why tty1 isnt working?
[11:03] <schnitzl> i have full access via ssh too
[11:03] <schnitzl> dafuq?
[11:03] <CatKiller> ANub: I don't know how since I use clonezilla which does everything for your
[11:03] <CatKiller> s/your/you
[11:03] <CatKiller> ANub: And allows you to pick different compression algorithms
[11:03] <kali_eskrima> so one more question. do i call the asus company tech support or the place i bought it?
[11:03] <ANub> CatKiller:: so you can force multicore in clonezilla???
[11:04] <TJ-> schnitzl: If you Alt+F1 to tty1 does the login prompt show? Because, due to plymouth, the boot messages are on tty7 usually
[11:04] <Nony> asus
[11:04] <Nony> the place you bought it  prob has nubs working there
[11:04] <schnitzl> TJ-, no
[11:04] <schnitzl> just alt f2, f3, etc
[11:04] <schnitzl> alt f1 just a black screen
[11:04] <CatKiller> ANub: You said you used clonezilla all the time :P
[11:04] <CatKiller> I'm getting confused here
[11:04] <kali_eskrima> haha what is a nub? ok asus it is
[11:05] <ANub> no i said...i use partimage all the time
[11:05] <TJ-> schnitzl: Check /etc/init/console.conf and /etc/init/tty1.conf is being run by upstart
[11:05] <CatKiller> this is what is happening: You use a different tool which may leverage all cores and use a different compression algorithm. So you need to do the same with partimage
[11:05] <CatKiller> ANub: Ok, I don't know then.
[11:05] <ANub> i just used clonezilla a couple of times ....didn't explore much.......but now i would...:)
[11:05] <CatKiller> ANub: and if you compare both tools you need to use the same compression algorithm
[11:06] <CatKiller> LZMA is good for instance
[11:06] <CatKiller> it's usually fast
[11:06] <ANub> yeap it is
[11:06] <schnitzl> TJ-, howto??? :(
[11:06] <pickels> I have a web server on my local network but my router keeps changing the ip. It seems my router also doesn't have a setting to give the same ip to the same mac address. I was wondering if there is an other solution to access the server that doesn't involve an ip?
[11:07] <ANub> CatKiller:: thnx for the handy info......i think i'm gonna play with both and compare results
[11:07] <ihre> pickels: couldnt you define a static ip in /etc/network/interfaces on your webserver?
[11:08] <schnitzl> is rc.local run by tty1?
[11:08] <pickels> ihre: ah I thought the router dictated which ip a devices gets.
[11:08] <schnitzl> cause i think my rc.local causes a zombie process. this might be the cause?
[11:08] <TJ-> schnitzl: No. Upstart runs all jobs defined in /etc/init/*.conf
[11:08] <ActionParsnip> schnitzl: its run by root before the login prompt of any kind is started (CLI or GUI)
[11:08] <otak> pickels: have you tried accessing <servername>.local ? If avahi is enabled on both machines this should work without .local !
[11:09] <kali_eskrima> its nice that you guys never get tired to help people and repeating same stuff. thanks! bye!
[11:09] <schnitzl> ok. so rc.local cant be the problem.
[11:09] <gordonjcp> kali_eskrima: we use a bot for the heavy lifting ;-)
[11:09] <ihre> pickels: no, your router also acts as a dhcp server, whichs leases IP addresses, but you could set a static IP manually on your server itself, then it's persistent
[11:09] <schnitzl> TJ-, so what do i need to check in the *.conf 's?
[11:10] <pickels> ihre: I'll give it a shot. Thanks a lot.
[11:10] <TJ-> schnitzl: ensure /etc/init/tty1.conf exists, and, in the boot-up messages, ensure you see it being started
[11:10] <kali_eskrima> thats good, thanks tho. im kind of lost with all the info you can find in a pc, and its system. especially ubuntu coz im new to it.
[11:10] <ihre> pickels: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/network-configuration.html#name-resolution the second code part
[11:10] <kali_eskrima> have a fun night/day!
[11:11] <schnitzl> it exists....i have no boot up message. it justs loops into this screen: http://i.stack.imgur.com/TVVBS.png
[11:12] <TJ-> schnitzl: hang on; booting a test server here to check
[11:12] <schnitzl> nice. :)
[11:12] <schnitzl> its not exactly the same picture, but you get what i mean....its ubuntu 12.04 server.
[11:13] <TJ-> schnitzl: That's the plymouth splash-screen. Press Escape key to switch to the text console that it obscures
[11:15] <schnitzl> yes. perfect.
[11:15] <schnitzl> ok. i got the problem. its my rc.local
[11:16] <schnitzl> with my rc.local i start a server. this server keeps running
[11:16] <TJ-> schnitzl: aha
[11:17] <schnitzl> i guess i just send it to the bg
[11:18] <TJ-> schnitzl: Or convert it to a simple upstart job in /etc/init/ !
[11:18] <silv3r_m00n> how can i print multiple images to a single pdf file
[11:18] <schnitzl> mmm..... If you say this is better, I will try it
[11:19] <ActionParsnip> schnitzl: remember to add an ampersand to the command to background it so as to not hang the boot
[11:19] <schnitzl> my rc.local: cd /usr/share/openra/ && ./start.sh &
[11:20] <TJ-> schnitzl: See for example http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#exec
[11:21] <schnitzl> with the ampersand it works perfectly. thanks. but maybe i should lern more about what TJ- said. i never got into upstart. i find it very confusing.
[11:22] <TJ-> schnitzl: You're not the only one, but if you read the other (simple) upstart scripts it makes sense
[11:23] <schnitzl> i would love to do more with linux, but my system is just not fully compatible :(
[11:25] <Ceninant> schnitzl, how so?
[11:26] <TJ-> schnitzl: There's an openra init.d start-up script example here https://github.com/OpenRA/OpenRA/wiki/Dedicated
[11:27] <schnitzl> Ceninant, i have an asus ux51vz, and a lot of stuff doesnt work. lie fn keys, touchpad is weird, 2nd gfx card config, external monitor support, etc.. :(
[11:30] <pickels> otak: I missed your answer. hostname.local actually works without having to change something. Thanks a lot :)
[11:30] <TJ-> schnitzl: Are you using/testing the latest (3.12 rc) kernel releases?
[11:31] <Ceninant> Ah. Laptop issues.
[11:32] <whatever_42> hey. i just installed ubuntu 12.04 on my t440s. it has an intel 7260 wireless chip. according to lshw it is currently "unused". how do i use it?
[11:32] <ikonia> whatever_42: is your wireless working ?
[11:33] <whatever_42> no it is not
[11:33] <ikonia> whatever_42: ok, so the first thing to do would be to look at the syslog and see what happens during boot, does it find the card, try to configure it, fai l
[11:33] <ikonia> whatever_42: have you tried to configure the wireles card yet ?
[11:34] <whatever_42> i was googling around and hit on iwlwifi
[11:34] <ikonia> whatever_42: have you tried to configure the wireles card yet ?
[11:34] <whatever_42>  i wouldn't go that far
[11:34] <TJ-> whatever_42: The log should confirm the firmware is being loaded (iwlwifi-7260-7.ucode)
[11:35] <Kartagis> ActionParsnip: are you there?
[11:35] <ikonia> whatever_42: it's not a hard question, have you tried to configure the wireless card, yes / no
[11:35] <whatever_42> ikonia: no
[11:35] <root> rt
[11:35] <Guest16488> wwwubuntucom
[11:35] <TJ-> whatever_42: You'll need linux 3.11rc1 or later to support the 7260
[11:35] <ikonia> whatever_42: ok, look at the network menu/applet in the top right, is your wireless card there ?
[11:36] <whatever_42> i do have that
[11:36] <whatever_42> ok
[11:36] <ikonia> TJ-: are you sure it needs 3.11 for the 7260 ?
[11:36] <whatever_42> there are 3 lines in my syslog mentioning 7260
[11:36] <whatever_42> i will post them on pastebin hang on
[11:37] <ikonia> TJ-: are you sure it needs 3.11 for the 7260 ?
[11:37] <whatever_42> ikonia http://pastebin.com/3CzVq6h8
[11:37] <whatever_42> ikonia: these are the 3 lines metioning 7260
[11:37] <ActionParsnip> Kartagis: aye
[11:38] <TJ-> whatever_42: As I said earlier you'll need the firmware file: "request for firmware file 'iwlwifi-7260-7.ucode' failed"
[11:38] <whatever_42> and where would i place it?
[11:38] <Kartagis> ActionParsnip: do you remembed my youtube audio with google-chrome issue from the other day?
[11:38] <Kartagis> remember*
[11:38] <ActionParsnip> Kartagis: half
[11:38] <ikonia> TJ-: are you sure it needs 3.11 for the 7260 ?
[11:38] <TJ-> whatever_42: /lib/firmware
[11:39] <whatever_42> ikonia: done
[11:39] <whatever_42> ikonia: reboot?
[11:39] <Kartagis> ActionParsnip: you told me to killall pulseaudio
[11:39] <Kartagis> had told me*
[11:39] <ikonia> whatever_42: not yet, as TJ- it's missing the firmware
[11:39] <ActionParsnip> Kartagis: yes
[11:39] <Kartagis> well, it happened again. how can I make sure it doesn't happen again?
[11:40] <TJ-> ikonia: Yes.
[11:40] <ActionParsnip> Kartagis: maybe there is a bug
[11:40] <ikonia> TJ-: I don't know myself, I'm just poking around the net but see a reference to 3.10, hence the question.
[11:40] <whatever_42> ikonia: my current kernel 3.11.1-031101-generic
[11:40] <ikonia> whatever_42: that doesn't look like an ubuntu kernel
[11:40] <ikonia> whatever_42: where did that come from
[11:41] <Kartagis> ActionParsnip: do you think with pulseaudio or google-chrome?
[11:41] <ActionParsnip> Kartagis: maybe a combo of both
[11:41] <TJ-> ikonia: commit a2d0909 introduced support. "git describe --contains a2d0909" = v3.11-rc1~64^2~78^2^2~21^2~13
[11:41] <whatever_42> ikonia: checking browser history hang on
[11:41] <deepblue> i had 2 remove mdm and use gdm instead,how will this affect the comp.?2 elaborate my question:will it cause cinnamon 2 crash?
[11:41] <ActionParsnip> Kartagis: if you run:  killall pulseaudio   after you login, is it ok?
[11:41] <ikonia> TJ-: perfect thank you for clarifying
[11:41] <whatever_42> ikonia: found the how to on this page http://linuxg.net/how-to-install-the-linux-kernel-3-11-1-on-ubuntu-linux-mint-elementary-os-and-debian/
[11:42] <Kartagis> ActionParsnip: I killall and then play the video, it's okay
[11:42] <ActionParsnip> Kartagis: then add it as a startup item
[11:42] <ikonia> whatever_42: that guide is terrible,
[11:42] <TJ-> whatever_42: Did you install the kernel from the Ubuntu Kernel mainline PPA archive?
[11:42] <ikonia> whatever_42: are you using 13.04 or 13.10 ?
[11:42] <TJ-> whatever_42: Because the associated firmware package ought to be in the same place
[11:42] <whatever_42> i am using 12.04.3
[11:42] <ActionParsnip> TJ-: yes but its not an official ubuntu kernel, hence the issuez
[11:42] <ikonia> whatever_42: that's bad then, you've pulled in a saucy kernel from PPA
[11:43] <ikonia> it's all going to be out of sync
[11:43] <TJ-> ActionParsnip: precisely, no one said it was.
[11:43] <ikonia> which is probably why none of the other deps, such as the firmware are there
[11:43] <whatever_42> ikonia: so what do i need to now?
[11:43] <TJ-> whatever_42: I'd think you'll need something more recent that 12.04 with kernel 3.11 ... there were some changes that mean newer userspace interfaces may be required for certain parts of the system.
[11:43] <ActionParsnip> I'd ask in #linux
[11:44] <ikonia> whatever_42: a good question.....
[11:44] <ikonia> whatever_42: I'd certailny try to undo what you've done and then move forward fro there
[11:44] <ikonia> from
[11:44] <ikonia> but for ubuntu 12.04 - you may need to wait for saucy to be released and then backports to arrive
[11:44] <TJ-> whatever_42: I run the latest kernels from the Ubuntu mainline PPA archive myself, and I've found for 3.11/3.12 you really need Ubuntu 13.04 userspace
[11:45] <whatever_42> TJ: so if i want to use my wifi i need to upgrade to ubuntu 13.04?
[11:46] <TJ-> whatever_42: It would make avoiding other issues besides lack of kernel support less likely to hit you. You'll still need the recent kernel and firmware packages
[11:46] <whatever_42> kernel 3.11 is not available in the ubuntu repos is it?
[11:46] <varunendra> whatever_42, right now the driver is complaining for the firmware file only. That particular firmware seems to be included in a debian package here : http://packages.debian.org/sid/all/firmware-iwlwifi/download
[11:47] <TJ-> whatever_42: no, it's made available by the Ubuntu/Canonical kernel team as a clean mainline build for Ubuntu (so the configs match)
[11:47] <varunendra> whatever_42, I'd suggest to just extract the required firmware from the above package, and copy it to the desired location, and see if it works.
[11:48] <TJ-> whatever_42: The firmware file you need is in the Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy) archive: http://packages.ubuntu.com/saucy/linux-firmware
[11:48] <whatever_42> so i'll just wait for 13.10?
[11:49] <varunendra> whatever_42, a similar solution seems to be here : http://askubuntu.com/a/331696
[11:51] <whatever_42> varunendra: can or should i keep my current kernel?
[11:51] <AlecTaylor> hi
[11:52] <varunendra> whatever_42, since the suggested solution is also based on 3.11 kernel, I'd suggest you keep it for now, just try the firmware and decide accordingly.
[11:52] <TJ-> whatever_42: For now, stick with what you have and just add that missing firmware file. If that solves your issue, you've saved a lot of effort
[11:52] <whatever_42> ok then i will try the solution varunendra posted
[11:52] <varunendra> Good luck :)
[11:53] <whatever_42> thank you guys
[11:56] <TJ-> whatever_42: This will fetch and install the firmware for you: "wget -O - http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-firmware/linux-firmware_1.114.tar.gz | tar -Oxz linux-firmware-saucy/iwlwifi-7260-7.ucode | sudo dd of=/lib/firmware/iwlwifi-7260-7.ucode"
[11:57] <schnitzl> TJ-, sry was afk. no, i just installed 1204 server. nothing fancy. why?
[11:57] <whatever_42> TJ: i do not what the solution posted before suggests?
[11:57] <schnitzl> standard kernel
[12:03] <loki_> My keyboard layout indicator http://s018.radikal.ru/i512/1309/6c/521cb0752874.png )
[12:04] <loki_> system indicator was broken and i decide do my bicicle)
[12:04] <deepblue>  i had 2 remove mdm and use gdm instead,how will this affect the comp.? 2 elaborate my question:will it cause cinnamon 2 crash?
[12:09] <Malinus> I've deleted the ubuntu launch from my grube. So now I can only launch windows. What should I do?
[12:10] <ActionParsnip> Malinus: is Ubuntu installed on the system?
[12:10] <Malinus> yeah. do I need to reinstall grube? Can't I jsut like run a command?
[12:10] <ActionParsnip> Malinus: it's Grub, not Grube
[12:11] <Malinus> right, grub.
[12:11] <ActionParsnip> Malinus: GRand Unified Bootloader
[12:11] <ActionParsnip> Malinus: soi where do you get Grube from?
[12:11] <ActionParsnip> Malinus: anyway
[12:11] <Malinus> ActionParsnip, yes I have ubuntu installed already.
[12:11] <cfhowlett> !grub  !
[12:11] <ActionParsnip> Malinus: there is a guide on OMGUbuntu called: sticking it to Grub
[12:12] <ActionParsnip> Malinus: you can chroot to the installed OS, and instate Grub to the MBR
[12:15] <linu> hi i have uninstalled wine which i have previously installed,but still it shows the menu application --> wine,can you tell me how to remove wine from menus?
[12:15] <Vanfanel> Hi there,
[12:15] <Vanfanel> I need help installing this package: /msg  NickServ identify
[12:15] <jrib> Vanfanel: eh?
[12:15] <Vanfanel> I need help installing this package: linux-image-3.5.0-223-omap4
[12:15] <cfhowlett> Vanfanel, what?
[12:15] <toxboi> Vanfanel: That's not a package.
[12:15] <ActionParsnip> linu: look in ~/.config/menu  I think it is, it leaves entries in there
[12:15] <Vanfanel> (sorry)
[12:16] <Vanfanel> thank you guys, I know, I just made a mistake :D
[12:16] <Vanfanel> the package I want/need to install is linux-image-3.5.0-223-omap4
[12:16] <Vanfanel> it's on ubuntu-armhf
[12:16] <Vanfanel> the PPA is TIOMAP
[12:16] <ActionParsnip> linu: yes, in ~/.config/menus/applications-merged
[12:16] <cfhowlett> !ppa|Vanfanel,
[12:16] <toxboi> Vanfanel: Which version of Ubuntu are you running?
[12:16] <ActionParsnip> Vanfanel: if you cannot add a PPA, you probably shouldnt be using one
[12:17] <ActionParsnip> Vanfanel: what is the output of:  cat /etc/issue
[12:17] <cfhowlett> Vanfanel, the ppa page should tell you exactly how to add it but if you don't know what you're doing, I'd recommend against it...
[12:17] <Vanfanel> I can add that PPA: I added it
[12:17] <ActionParsnip> Vanfanel: what is the output of:  cat /etc/issue
[12:17] <Vanfanel> It's just that I can only install 3.4.x, not 3.5.0
[12:17] <ActionParsnip> Vanfanel: see above, run the command, what is output?
[12:18] <Vanfanel> ActionParsnip: wait a moment, I'll copy/paste that
[12:18] <Vanfanel> ActionParsnip: Ubuntu 12.04.3 LTS \n \l