 Yourself?
[23:46] <gamerchick02> been a long day at work and i'm chilling. was thinking of putting cinnamon on ubuntu but now i'm not sure
[23:46] <gamerchick02> anyone else try it? i did awhile ago but i'm adverse to random PPAs right now
[23:47] <ADAG10> Cinnamon on anything other than Mint, I haven't tried yet.   It feels too cramped.
[23:54] <ADAG10> I insist on using arrow keys on vim for this reason
[23:54] <gamerchick02> ah!
[23:55] <gamerchick02> vanilla unity here
[23:55] <gamerchick02> i changed the background!
[23:55] <gamerchick02> :-P
[23:56] <gamerchick02> also one thing i forgot that i loved about Ubuntu... i can pick "restart later" when i get an update. you can't do that all the time in windows
[23:56] <ADAG10> Heh! Noice.
[23:56] <ADAG10> Oh, man, Windows is a real pest about that
[23:59] <gamerchick02> yeah i checked updates on my desktop last night and everything was fine but then it was like "reboot NOW"
[23:59] <ADAG10> I once got kicked out of "Borderlands 2" and saw the "Restarting..." screen seconds later
[23:59] <ADAG10> mfw


[03:13] <sewardrobert> Hello, my daughter is learning Japanese and using lbuntu on an older laptop. How can she enter Kanji characters? Etc. I tried adding a Japanese "Keyboard Input" for her. Pressing "Super Space" key sequence shows  "JP and US" in a nice dialog on the screen. However regardless of how the input is toggled, Kanji char input sequences do NOT output Kanji chars. Any advice?


[12:11] <RikMills> "Plasma 5.21 will use Qt 5.15.  Should we use a specific bugfix release? Recommend 5.15.2 to avoid .1 issues."
[12:11] <RikMills> from plasma 5.21 kickoff meeting ^
[12:16] <mitya57> 5.15.2 is expected literally today, so we have plenty of time to prepare it for Hirsute.
[12:16] <RikMills> :)
[17:31] <RikMills> yade ftbfs with 5.15 in debian and ubuntu
[17:35] <lisandro> because of qglviewer it seems
[17:40] <mitya57> lisandro: no, it's yade's own file named GLViewer.cpp
[17:41] <lisandro> ah, ok
[17:46] <mitya57> RikMills, lisandro: I see Anton created https://gitlab.com/yade-dev/trunk/-/merge_requests/541 an hour ago
[17:46] <mitya57> So I guess he'll upload a fix soon
[17:46] <lisandro> great
[17:47]  * lisandro is not surprised that most bugs came from software in debian/science
[17:47] <RikMills> nice. I looked for issues on there but nor merge requests. oops


[13:30] <scalability-junk> anyone using uec for production and can give me some hints?
[16:32] <ergonaut> Hello!  I'm looking for documentation on cloud-utils and cloud-init and any other tools and configuration specific to the cloud that are installed on the Amazon EC2 ubuntu server images.  I found documentation for cloud-init, but nothing much else.  Can you give me any pointers/resources?
[16:33] <kim0> ergonaut: maybe ? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEC/Images .. if u have a specific something you want more info on, let us know
[16:33] <scalability-junk> just to check this. the storage space of the cluster is the diskspace available to the sc or?
[16:35] <ergonaut> kim0: what is contained in cloud-utils?
[16:36] <kim0> scalability-junk: ebs volumes will be carved out of the storage space available to SC indeed
[16:36] <kim0> ergonaut: dpkg -L cloud-utils :)
[16:36] <scalability-junk> ok thanks
[16:36] <scalability-junk> is there any paas layer for uec or eucalyptus?
[16:37] <ergonaut> ok, thanks, that helps.  I'm not as familiar with dpkg as perhaps I should be
[16:37] <kim0> scalability-junk: not "for" but maybe "could be made to work with" .. check out cloudfoundry
[16:37] <ergonaut> am I correct in assuming cloud-utils is mostly for creating and managing images then?
[16:38] <kim0> mostly yeah .. it's a collection of different tools ;)
[16:38] <ergonaut> could I say that cloud-utils is not really needed in day-to-day operations of a cloud instance (that will not be creating new images)?
[16:39] <kim0> ergonaut: yeah probably not needed for daily operations
[16:39] <ergonaut> ok, thanks, that helps.
[16:39] <ergonaut> I'm trying to figure out what tools are available to me so I don't reinvent the wheel.  I think I can ignore cloud-utils.
[16:40] <ergonaut> besides cloud-init and cloud-utils, are there any other modifications to cloud images, when compared to a non-cloud server install?
[16:40] <ergonaut> (also ignoring the kernel of course)
[16:42] <ergonaut> and... what happened to ec2-fetch-credentials from previous images?
[19:49] <giuseppe_> ciao
[19:50] <giuseppe_> cercavo il canale di assistenza chakra linux in italiano, sapete aiutarmi?
[19:57]  * kim0 whispers English please :)
[19:57] <giuseppe_> help
[20:09] <obino> giuseppe_: questo canale e' per UEC Ubuntu Enterprise Cloud
[20:40] <Kyle__> How does one go about building a windows 7 image for UEC?
[20:43] <Kyle__> I can find plenty of info on making windows-server and windowsXP images, but not for 7 (and yes, I have googled for it).
[20:47] <obino> Kyle__: I'm not a windows expert at all: have you tried the procedure for XP and see if it works with 7?
[20:48] <Kyle__> obino: Starting with vista they started with a compleetly different bootloader & booting process.  The same files aren't used, and I"m not enough of a windows expert to know which files to snag to make the boot floppy


[22:43] <TJ-> daftykins: nothing to do with dd; that'll be fine, but if you copy over to a different sized drive the tagret may have different physical/logical mappings, so LBA 1 on source maybe at 4096 bytes, but on target may be 512 bytes, etc.
[22:43] <bartosz_> hi
[22:43] <EriC^^> curlyears: sudo cgdisk /dev/sdX , then you press "o" to create a fresh partition table ( it'll wipe the disk though and you'll lose all data )
[22:43] <bartosz_> can anyone help me
[22:43] <EriC^^> curlyears: actually i mean sudo gdisk /dev/sdX
[22:43] <bartosz_> I have kubuntu, and can't install anything via apt-get
[22:43] <bartosz_> even steam, kwrite... lol
[22:44] <dekr4ken> whats the error
[22:44] <BlackFate> bartosz_, did you try to "apt-get update" ?
[22:44] <EriC^^> curlyears: you can use gparted to create a gpt partition table easily and make partitions too
[22:44] <rizi> i am trying to do pentesting and i have a specfic problem which i cant solve. can anyone recomend me a good irc chennal
[22:44] <daftykins> rizi: not on freenode, no.
[22:45] <dekr4ken> rizi > #kali-linux
[22:45] <rizi> dekr4ken, thanks i will join it
[22:46] <bartosz_> yes
[22:46] <curlyears> apparently the USB install is ocmp[leting correct;y this time
[22:46] <bartosz_> with everything kubuntu has problems...
[22:46] <daftykins> bartosz_: show what happens at http://paste.ubuntu.com - we can't see from here
[22:46] <curlyears> gparted  is that built in to 14.04.2?
[22:46] <dekr4ken> bartosz_: ? and what happend with update?
[22:48] <curlyears> 99% comp[lete Creating a persistance file...
[22:48] <bartosz_> everything ok
[22:48] <bartosz_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14183036/
[22:48] <EriC^^> curlyears: yeah it's on the live cd, once you install it's deleted though and you have to manually install it
[22:48] <curlyears> ho9ow do you do that, EriC^^?
[22:48] <EriC^^> curlyears: it's one of the icons on the left if you're using unity
[22:49] <EriC^^> sudo apt-get install gparted
[22:49] <daftykins> bartosz_: paste "sudo apt update"
[22:49] <curlyears> what is unity?
[22:49] <curlyears> I have no idea if I am using it.
[22:49] <daftykins> the default Desktop
[22:49] <MonkeyDust> curlyears  with the bar on the left
[22:50] <curlyears> OK, there is no gparted on my left bar of icons
[22:50] <daftykins> you wouldn't
[22:50] <EriC^^> are you in the live cd right now?
[22:50] <bartosz_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14183061/
[22:50] <curlyears> did you mean through the dash?
[22:50] <bartosz_> daftykins: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14183061/
[22:50] <curlyears> yes, 14.04.2 Live CD
[22:50] <EriC^^> it should be there, or maybe on the desktop
[22:50] <curlyears> wow that persistence fiel must be a whopper!
[22:51] <abi__> hello dafitykins are you there
[22:51] <daftykins> abi__: yep
[22:51] <abi__> check this  http://imgur.com/3FH7WRS
[22:52] <abi__> and also check this  http://imgur.com/4siIBAk
[22:52] <curlyears> found gparted editor on the dASH
[22:53] <daftykins> abi__: ok, looks like dynamic disks do not allow ubuntu to be installed
[22:53] <abi__> yes
[22:53] <abi__> so what is the way to remove that
[22:54] <daftykins> abi__: oh dear, bad news: https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc755238.aspx they say delete everything and start again
[22:54] <daftykins> whoever converted your disk to dynamic in the first place deserves a lump of coal for Christmas
[22:55] <abi__> aah that is not possible
[22:55] <bartosz_> dafty have you seen my issue (sry for interrupting)
[22:55] <curlyears> ok, I am in gparted..now what do I do?  I see the three partition the bios_grub flagged, the ma9in drive 2.71 TiB avail, and the swap partion...what do I do with them?
[22:55] <daftykins> abi__: then no ubuntu i think.
[22:55] <abi__> yes i have to get new hdd
[22:56] <daftykins> bartosz_: i see kali repos and other things, plus you're in 13.04 - your machine is too old to fix, i'd clean install.
[22:56] <bartosz_> 13.04?
[22:56] <daftykins> yes, raring
[22:56] <bartosz_> 14.04
[22:56] <abi__> now only i have is virtual box
[22:56] <daftykins> bartosz_: no you've got mixed repos which are breaking everything :)
[22:56] <daftykins> abi__: yeah, that'd be the only option right now
[22:57] <abi__> thankx for your support dafitykins
[22:57] <bartosz_> yes because there no tools for trusty but can i remove kali repos and everythin will be ok?
[22:57] <evon> My mbox mini stopped working for some reason on my desktop.  But it works on my laptop just fine.  Both are running 15.10 but my desktop has the kernel 4.2.0-22-generic and my laptop is has 4.2.0-21-generic. Can anyone help?
[22:57] <daftykins> abi__: no problem, sorry we couldn't find an answer
[22:57] <daftykins> bartosz_: no, you've ruined that install
[22:57] <bartosz_> omg
[22:57] <abi__> hahaha that was not your fault
[22:58] <daftykins> ^_^
[22:58] <bartosz_> ok, will be better becuase on grub first is starting kali
[22:58] <daftykins> bartosz_: you can try, but i don't personally think it'd be a worthy investment of time
[22:58] <bartosz_> i'm going to install kubuntu again
[22:58] <curlyears> geez, this thin gis takinG *FOREVER* to finish creating this "persistance file" which it claims it is 99% coomplete.  what the * is a "persistance file?"
[22:59] <daftykins> curlyears: if you're just making a flash drive to install from, you did not need that
[23:00] <curlyears> OK, I cancelled that
[23:01] <curlyears> what am I supposed to do once I am in g[arted?  how do I create gpt partitions?
[23:01] <daftykins> i wasn't following tbh
[23:01] <daftykins> not sure what you're doing
[23:02] <curlyears> daftykins I was trying to install to a 3TB HDD )-:  with standard 14.04.2 tools
[23:02] <daftykins> i would not use 14.04.2 as it has the old 3.16 kernel
[23:02] <curlyears> so MonkeyDust proposed using gparted to create gpt partitions
[23:03] <SonikkuAmerica> daftykins: Well you can't just blanket say that, necessarily, becuase some people will install the latest stack (linux-generic-lts-wily and whatnot)
[23:04] <ryanleesipes> What channel is the Ubuntu Touch channel? Is it #ubuntutouch?
[23:04] <OpenSorce> Is there not a common way to make a usb rescue disk without having to download the entire Ubuntu iso?
[23:04] <daftykins> SonikkuAmerica: i can just blanket say that, because i mentioned a specific version and because it's an old HWE
[23:04] <daftykins> #ubuntu-touch
[23:04] <curlyears> when I clicked <cancel> on the persistence file thing, it broght up a popup that asked "Do you really want to quit the installationo now?" on wwhich I clickdd <quit>  and now it appears hung
[23:05] <evon> How do I downgrade my kernel?
[23:06] <daftykins> why would you want to?
[23:06] <SonikkuAmerica> daftykins: OK, I'll back off :P
[23:06] <evon> daftykins, because my mbox stopped working with this kernel update
[23:06] <curlyears> so, do I have a bootable, usable install image on  my USB or not?
[23:06] <daftykins> evon: 'mbox' ? so you booted the old and it works just fine?
[23:07] <daftykins> curlyears: not if you tried to add persistence and cancelled, i'd remake it without that complication
[23:07] <evon> daftykins, I have the old on my laptop and it works fine
[23:07] <curlyears> daftykins:  ok..what is a "persistence file?"
[23:07] <daftykins> "the old" is a bit vague since i don't know what you're running on either
[23:08] <Voyage> can anyone help me with installing skype: http://pastie.org/10649575#1,18,145,246,262,280,293,305,323
[23:08] <daftykins> curlyears: lets a live session keep changes between reboots.
[23:08] <curlyears> oooohhhhhh, cool.  that would be handy ibn shit situation
[23:08] <curlyears> in this situation, sowwy
[23:08] <daftykins> curlyears: mmm no.
[23:08] <daftykins> you're just complicating a simple task right now :)
[23:09] <curlyears> well, I'll try again
[23:09] <daftykins> Voyage: "dpkg -l | grep skype" in a paste please
[23:09] <daftykins> Voyage: also that paste is about as deep as rabbit holes get i think ;)
[23:10] <Voyage> daftykins,  rc  skype                                 <IP_ADDRESS>-1                              i386         Wherever you are, wherever they are
[23:10] <Voyage> daftykins,  :)
[23:10] <daftykins> Voyage: i said in a paste, so like the above site... not IRC.
[23:10] <Voyage> oh
[23:11] <Voyage> was just one line
[23:11] <daftykins> if it was only that line though, too late now
[23:11] <daftykins> Voyage: i think you have some PPAs added which are ruining the installation of skype
[23:11] <Voyage> hm
[23:11] <curlyears> I don't believe *I* am making anyting "complicated."  This issue has been a nighrmare for mwe
[23:11] <Voyage> daftykins,  how do i find out?
[23:11] <curlyears> what is a PPA?
[23:12] <daftykins> Voyage: "sudo apt update" would list some other junk, you could throw that in a paste... or look in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[23:12] <daftykins> curlyears: i don't think fighting a statement is going to change anything right now
[23:12] <Voyage> daftykins,  I have observed that for a fresh kubuntu install, skype installs just fine. but if done after few months. it doesnt
[23:12] <daftykins> !ppa > curlyears
[23:12] <curlyears> and again, how do I use g[arted to make gft partitions?
[23:12] <daftykins> Voyage: mmm, probably
[23:13] <Voyage> daftykins,  nothign in /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[23:13] <daftykins> curlyears: select disk -> Device menu -> create partition table
[23:13] <curlyears> thanks about the PPAs
[23:13] <Voyage> daftykins,  how to know exact ppas?
[23:13] <cmdswitch[zZz]> curlyears, http://akabaila.pcug.org.au/gpt/gpt_gparted.html
[23:14] <curlyears> dsaftykins:  there are already three paritions there, from a 14.04.2 failed installl...what do I do with them?
[23:14] <cmdswitch[zZz]> curlyears, wipe
[23:14] <curlyears> delete the pARTITI9ONS?
[23:14] <daftykins> depends if you want any data...
[23:14] <curlyears> oopps
[23:14] <Voyage> daftykins,  http://pastie.org/10650007
[23:14] <curlyears> thanks cmdswitch[zZz]
[23:15] <daftykins> Voyage: so is this kubuntu also?
[23:16] <Voyage> yes
[23:16] <daftykins> Voyage: can you share a "lsb_release -a" and a "uname -a" ?
[23:16] <Voyage> its latest lts though
[23:16] <Voyage> one sec
[23:17] <Voyage> Description:    Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS Linux user1-Lenovo-G50-70 3.13.0-74-generic #118-Ubuntu SMP Thu Dec 17 22:52:10 UTC 2015 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[23:18] <daftykins> alrighty, run "sudo apt-get purge skype" then "sudo apt-get install skype skype-bin" and see what happens (sharing the output via http://paste.ubuntu.com )
[23:21] <Voyage> daftykins,  done that many times
[23:21] <carpini> list/
[23:21] <carpini> ciao
[23:21] <carpini> list!
[23:22] <daftykins> Voyage: understood, however i'd like to see it this time ;)
[23:22] <Voyage> daftykins,  also the architecture add for 86
[23:22] <Voyage> daftykins,  ok
[23:22] <daftykins> what?
[23:22] <daftykins> i'd really rather no 32-bit was added
[23:22] <Voyage> daftykins, Package 'skype' is not installed, so not removed. Did you mean 'skype:i386'?
[23:22] <akik> skype from microsoft is a i386 package
[23:23] <daftykins> oh well you can purge skype* instead
[23:23] <curlyears> OK.   ran gpartd, deleted two paritions (/swap was in use) creeated a 2.71 GB paritioon for / and 512MiB oartition for /swap
[23:23] <curlyears> now I can boot from the USB and install 14.04.3 nto the HDD?
[23:23] <Voyage> on *,  Unable to locate package skype-install.deb
[23:24] <JACAEK-BB> test
[23:24] <daftykins> Voyage: show the current FULL output since the last command, these little bits and pieces are useless.
[23:26] <Voyage> daftykins,  http://pastie.org/10650022
[23:27] <daftykins> sudo apt-get purge skype-bin:i386
[23:27] <Voyage> Package 'skype-bin:i386' is not installed, so not removed
[23:27] <curlyears> well, I am off to try yet AGAIN, may my luckl please change
[23:28] <daftykins> Voyage: and it did nothing about purge o0
[23:28] <Voyage> daftykins,  nope
[23:29] <daftykins> Voyage: "sudo apt-get clean" then "sudo apt-get -f install"
[23:29] <Voyage> sudo apt-get purge skype:i386 -> Removing skype (<IP_ADDRESS>-1)
[23:30] <Voyage> done
[23:30] <Voyage> now?
[23:30] <daftykins> i feel what you typed is quite different to what i last said :>
[23:30] <Voyage> hm
[23:30] <Voyage> ok
[23:30] <Voyage> let me try again
[23:31] <daftykins> no no, just do "sudo apt-get clean" then "sudo apt-get -f install"
[23:31] <piousminion> How do I enable a service to start at boot with upstart?
[23:31] <Voyage> daftykins,  did.
[23:31] <daftykins> Voyage: i need to see the output...
[23:32] <boxmein> in bash, which order do I have to place a command with redirection and backgrounding, like "python ./script.py & 2>&1 >script.log"
[23:32] <Voyage> clean said nothing, -f install said: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[23:32] <Voyage> no errors
[23:32] <Voyage> what now?
[23:33] <daftykins> one sec
[23:33] <Voyage> k
[23:33] <TJ-> boxmein: '&' backgrounding to the end of the line (but invert the order of all those redirections should do what you're expecting)
[23:34] <akik> Voyage: daftykins: i've used this recipe to install skype on 14.04.3 64-bit: http://pastebin.com/raw/3CmL4v2q
[23:34] <daftykins> you kinda came along just at the time to thwart my carefully laid out plans
[23:34] <daftykins> :>
[23:35] <Voyage> akik,  thanks
[23:35] <Voyage> daftykins,  any next instructions?
[23:35] <BlackFate> boxmein, "nohup python ./script.py & 2>&1 >script.log &"
[23:35] <daftykins> oh great, so now you're going to jump in and do the above huh?
[23:35] <bekks> BlackFate: Wrong order ;)
[23:35] <bekks> BlackFate: And a double &
[23:36] <Voyage> daftykins,  iam asking you
[23:36] <boxmein> BlackFate: why so many &s?
[23:36] <daftykins> Voyage: for me it's just "sudo apt-get install skype skype-bin"
[23:36] <BlackFate> boxmein, i just copy pasted your line and added nohup at the beginning and a & in the end
[23:36] <BlackFate> boxmein, i didn't read your command :)
[23:36] <BlackFate> boxmein, apologies
[23:37] <Voyage> daftykins,  for you theres an error for that command. again. The following packages have unmet dependencies: skype-bin:i386 : Depends: libqtwebkit4:i386 (>= 2.2~2011week36) but it is not going to be installed                 Depends: libgl1-mesa-glx:i386
[23:37] <daftykins> use a paste site.
[23:37] <boxmein> BlackFate: why the nohup? :P
[23:37] <boxmein> BlackFate: oh, it's alright :D
[23:37] <daftykins> for the umpteenth time i need to see it all from the beginning :)
[23:37] <BlackFate> boxmein, with nohup, your program will not die when you close the terminal
[23:38] <boxmein> BlackFate: does this still apply if the terminal is a ssh session?
[23:38] <BlackFate> boxmein, yes
[23:38] <boxmein> BlackFate: the weird thing is, I just exit-ed, and the script didn't terminate
[23:38] <boxmein> BlackFate: but i'll keep that in mind
[23:39] <curlyears> *ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH*!
[23:39] <Voyage> daftykins,  what you are telling me is what I have used many times
[23:40] <Voyage> akik,  I am getting dependency issues again from your code
[23:40] <daftykins> 'again' ? i needed you to pay attention to what i was suggesting, by mixing advice you've not screwed that up
[23:40] <daftykins> i give up, sorry - but that's irritating behaviour.
[23:40] <curlyears> SB I just created won't boot!  It complains about an "invalid filesystem" and dumps me into gurb rescue, which I have no idea how to use (and which contINS NO HELP i CAN FIND)
[23:41] <Voyage> daftykins,  no, I followed you advice fully. Then switched to other one
[23:41] <curlyears> usb
[23:41] <bekks> curlyears: you need to boot a livecd, and check and fix your filesystems.
[23:41] <Voyage> daftykins,  thanks for your time :)
[23:41] <daftykins> yep and thus screwed it up
[23:41] <daftykins> i wasn't done.
[23:41] <bekks> curlyears: In case that was a booting installation before.
[23:41] <curlyears> define "check and fix"?
[23:41] <bekks> curlyears: run fsck -f
[23:42] <curlyears> on the usb thumb?
[23:42] <bekks> curlyears: Did you ever boot successfully from that usb thumb?
[23:42] <curlyears> bekks: no, that was booting FROM the USB thumb )-:
[23:44] <bekks> curlyears: Did you EVER boot successfully from that USB thumb?
[23:45] <BlackFate> boxmein, you might be interested in the "screen" command too. You can do some nice things with it. Like bringing back sessions from the background. share sessions in different terminals etc
[23:45] <boxmein> BlackFate: oh, I've used screen in the past, haven't needed leaving a terminal open just yet but I will find an use for it soon I bet :D
[23:47] <Voyage> http://pastie.org/10650038
[23:47] <curlyears> OK, fsck -f returned with no output.  Is that a good thing or a bad thing?
[23:47] <bekks> curlyears: Answer my question please.
[23:48] <curlyears> oh, no, I booted FROM the USB thumb when I got the silesystem error
[23:49] <curlyears> sorry, I must have forgotten to switxh screens before I typed that response in last tinme
[23:49] <bekks> curlyears: Thats not an answer to my question.
[23:49] <curlyears> which question, then?
[23:49] <bekks> curlyears: Did you EVER boot successfully from that USB thumb?
[23:50] <curlyears> nno, I never booted successfully from the USB thumb
[23:51] <Voyage> can anyone help me with installing skype: http://pastie.org/10649575#1,18,145,246,262,280,293,305,323
[23:51] <curlyears> how can the filesystem on the thumb be "invalid" when I can cd to it and read directories?
[23:52] <curlyears> ( I find the command line a little more flexible than the GUI )
[23:52] <daftykins> redownload the ISO, hash it, then dd it on straight without any GUI tools
[23:53] <linuxApprentice> curlyears: how did you transfer ubuntu iso to usb stick?
[23:53] <Voyage> is ti possible if I have skype on another machine, I somehow bundle it and its dependencies and install the same skype on another machine?
[23:53] <daftykins> confirm the command you use with this channel before using it
[23:53] <Voyage> or somehow make that machine as a source of skype install?
[23:53] <linuxApprentice> Voyage: host a ppa
[23:53] <curlyears> linuxApprentice:   I used the "create an install disk" tool
[23:54] <Voyage> linuxApprentice,  I just have skype install on another machine
[23:54] <curlyears> it claimed to have completed successfully.
[23:54] <linuxApprentice> curlyears: from?
[23:54] <curlyears> there is 1GB of data and files on the thumb.
[23:54] <linuxApprentice> curlyears: what happens when you try to boot from the usb stick? it boots from the hd?
[23:55] <curlyears> from a iso downloaded directly  from ubuntu's web page for 14.04.3
[23:56] <Voyage> linuxApprentice,  can I just extract all skype bundle if its installed already. then reinstall it somewhere else?
[23:56] <linuxApprentice> Voyage: this isn't Windoze
[23:57] <Voyage> I heard it was possible
[23:57] <Voyage> can anyone help me with installing skype: http://pastie.org/10649575#1,18,145,246,262,280,293,305,323
[23:57] <linuxApprentice> Voyage: and Dependancy Resolution?
[23:57] <Voyage> linuxApprentice,  thats my issue
[23:57] <linuxApprentice> Voyage: indeed... 0.o
[23:57] <linuxApprentice> lol
[23:57] <Voyage> :(
[23:57] <curlyears> linuxApprentice:    no, it crashes out complaINING OF An "invalid filesystem"  and then dumps me into grub rescue, from which I can opnly hit reset
[23:57] <MonkeyDust> Voyage  enable 3rd party repo, then: sudo apt update; sudo apt install skype
[23:58] <Voyage> linuxApprentice,  whats the final soltuion
[23:58] <curlyears> \I can't find a command that works
[23:58] <linuxApprentice> Voyage: what MonkeyDust said
[23:58] <linuxApprentice> Voyage: http://askubuntu.com/questions/367147/how-to-host-a-repository-like-ppa-in-my-own-site
[23:58] <Voyage> MonkeyDust,  http://pastie.org/pastes/10650007/reply
[23:59] <Voyage> linuxApprentice,  ^
[23:59] <linuxApprentice> curlyears: you didn't transfer the ISO to the usb stick correctly
[23:59] <MonkeyDust> Voyage  now: sudo apt update


[00:00] <brainwash> slickymaster: you should also add a comment and explain how you were able to reproduce the bug
[00:02] <brainwash> it looks like we can blame file systems which don't support the fancy extended attributes
[00:08] <slickymaster> ok brainwash
[00:18] <brainwash> slickymaster: is bug 1190299 still around?
[00:18] <brainwash> probably caused by thunar's tree view
[00:19] <slickymaster> nopes brainwash
[00:20] <brainwash> can you please update the status of the report then
[00:20]  * slickymaster can't even remember the steps that lead to that one
[00:20] <brainwash> hit super+f? :D
[00:21] <slickymaster> lol
[00:21] <brainwash> we got so many thunar reports, a high percentage of them are segfaults :/
[00:21] <slickymaster> do you mean to mark it as Invalid?
[00:21] <brainwash> mark it as incomplete
[00:22] <slickymaster> ok
[00:23] <jjfrv8> ochosi, I hope I did what you requested correctly wrt to the whiskermen-defaults MR
[00:25] <slickymaster> hey jjfrv8, how's everything?
[00:25] <jjfrv8> slickymaster, okay here, thanks. how you?
[00:26] <slickymaster> fine also :)
[00:27] <jjfrv8> you've been burning the midnight oil a lot lately ;)
[00:27] <slickymaster> nah, I'll leave that to Unit193
[00:28] <Unit193> (Midnight is early.)
[00:28] <slickymaster> it's half an hour paste it over here
[00:29] <Unit193> -e
[00:42] <ochosi> thanks jjfrv8
[00:42] <jjfrv8> welcome. sorry it took so long
[00:44] <ochosi> no worries really
[00:50] <brainwash> ochosi: bug 1295900
[00:52] <brainwash> maybe related to our lightdm gtk greeter bug
[05:16] <AussieDownUnder> Oi bros & hoes. When is some new ubuntu/xubuntu flyers coming out. I want to put some updated ones up & around the place.
[05:17] <AussieDownUnder> Would like to see some flyers designed to be foldable to put in info board holder/pocket/pigeon hole things.
[06:11]  * fibz_ pokes zequence: the image on the xubuntu.org homepage is a bit worrisome
[06:15] <fibz_> take a look at the clock on all the new official screenshots?
[07:03] <Noskcaj> Why doesn't xubuntu support internet time by default?
[07:47] <Unit193> fibz_: Wow, alright.
[09:45] <aussiehomebrewer> Anybody know the name of the bottom dockbar that was in the 14.04 pre-release? The one that got taken out
[09:50] <ochosi> aussiehomebrewer: that was only another xfce panel
[09:50] <ochosi> with a few launchers on it
[09:50] <ochosi> just add a new panel, make it height 48px, add a few launchers and set it to autohide, that's it
[10:15] <aussiehomebrewer> Fiiiine, let's do all the things that you want to do.
[10:15] <aussiehomebrewer> Nah cheers, I can't believe I didn't work that out myself
[10:15] <aussiehomebrewer> Everyday I learn how much I don't know or how intelligent I'm not
[10:19] <aussiehomebrewer> Is there anyway to change a live usb to allow the live sessions to be saved? I know when I made the live usb it gave me an option for setting a size for saving the session data but I said no
[10:20] <ali1234> just make it again
[10:21] <aussiehomebrewer> Yeah, I'll have to once the full release is out anyway
[10:24] <ali1234> anyway, the answer is no because it modifies the partitions before writing them if you ask for session saving
[11:03] <ochosi> brainwash: don't think that bug is related to ours, ours only happened with nouveau afaik
[11:11] <ochosi> anything is possible with graphics drivers though...
[11:12] <forestpiskie> ochosi: I don't see the corruption with nvidia installed
[11:12] <ochosi> yeah, me neither
[11:12] <ochosi> it's a nouveau-specific issue
[11:12] <forestpiskie> yep
[11:12] <ochosi> the bug is even still assigned to nouveau :)
[11:12] <forestpiskie> :)
[11:13] <ochosi> anyway, taking off for the day
[11:13] <elfy> have a good one - I've just got up :)
[11:25] <elfy> knome: just followed fibz clue to look at the screenshots at xubuntu.org - did you know that Friday gets shortened to Sex ...
[11:29] <zoidberg_> hi there
[11:29] <elfy> hello
[11:29] <zoidberg_> i have experienced something strange when updating to 14.04 beta
[11:31] <zoidberg_> i had the network-manager deinstalled, and wicd installed. After the update something was disabling my wifi via rfkill soft-block, i solved this problem by installing the network manager again and deinstalling wicd, i'm not sure what caused the problem, i believe that it has something todo with the Network Manager, and not really with wicd.
[11:31] <elfy> njo idea I'm afraid
[11:32] <zoidberg_> because with disabled wicd and only wpa_supplicant it didn't work and with wicd disabled and airmon it didn't work
[11:33] <zoidberg_> hm maybe i should write a bug report... i thought maybe someone would know that issue, making the writing of a bug report unnecessary :-)
[11:33] <brainwash> zoidberg_: I suggest that you also ask in #ubuntu+1
[11:33] <elfy> if someone knew then it would be a bug and then we'd know :)
[11:33] <elfy> brainwash: +1 to that
[11:38] <brainwash> Tumblerdwatcher v 1.0 - http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=8722
[11:38] <brainwash> what the heck
[11:42] <brainwash> but it's true, tumbler isn't working properly sometimes
[11:42] <brainwash> eating memory, segfaulting,..
[11:45] <brainwash> ochosi: what do you think, should add more debugging output to the greeter?
[11:45] <brainwash> for future releases
[11:46] <brainwash> it won't hurt
[11:49] <knome> elfy, yes...
[11:51] <elfy> ok :)
[11:59] <knome> we will replace them for T
[11:59] <knome> so i don't think it's a huge problem
[11:59] <elfy> okey doke
[11:59] <elfy> I'd not noticed myself
[12:18] <starrats> Hello everyone and good morning!
[12:19] <pleia2> good morning
[12:21] <knome> elfy, pleia2: do we want to write a spec of what kind of screenshots we want for T on the website so we don't need to do that on the rush?
[12:21] <starrats> I had to send a bug report to ubuntu-bug on terminal about 30 minutes ago concerning a software.db.update, the output told me to file a bug report so I did.
[12:29] <brainwash> starrats: that's a known warning, it pops up every time the software center package is upgraded
[12:30] <brainwash> thanks for your report, I'll try to find the initial report
[12:47] <elfy> knome: possibly would be an idea - though on the other hand, simple, uncluttered, whatever cc licence doesn't appear to me to be requiring one
[12:59] <knome> mmh
[13:00] <knome> bbl
[13:07] <starrats> brainwash I got an email from the ubuntu bug report folks, can't remember his name but he said it wasd a 'regression' and the initial bug report # is 1161283 or at least that was on the email.
[13:09] <brainwash> starrats: yes, it was me who replied to your report :)
[13:10] <starrats> aah so you are .....lol can't remember
[13:10] <starrats> okay thank you
[13:10] <brainwash> if you open the linked report and read the latest comments, you will see that more people noticed this warning while upgrading packages in trusty
[13:11] <starrats> so it's a 'normal' thing/error that shows up?
[13:11] <starrats> ah okay brainwash
[13:11] <brainwash> no, the warning should not appear anymore, but strangely it does in trusty
[13:16] <starrats> ah okay but it show up and I did what it said to do.  What should I do if it shows up again when I do my update/upgrades?
[13:19] <brainwash> check the linked report for bug status changes
[13:19] <brainwash> and comments
[13:20] <starrats> ah okay will do
[13:20] <brainwash> in the meantime just ignore this warning
[13:22] <starrats> okay will do
[13:23] <starrats> read some of te comments earlier and just a few minutes ago, so I understand
[21:31] <brainwash> Noskcaj: please change the importance level to 'wishlist' bug 782549
[21:31] <Noskcaj> brainwash, You really need some triage rights
[21:32] <brainwash> and you need upload rights :P
[21:32] <brainwash> joking :D
[21:32] <brainwash> I really should write the application
[21:33] <Noskcaj> brainwash, DON'T EVEN!
[21:33] <Noskcaj> ;)
[21:33] <Noskcaj> but yeah, bug triage is pretty easy to get
[21:33] <brainwash> I'm just afraid of seeing all the hidden/private reports
[21:34] <Noskcaj> brainwash, in xfce there's not that many
[21:36] <brainwash> there are so many lp bug reports, even more on the Xfce bug tracker
[21:37] <brainwash> it somehow feels like development is slowing down
[21:39] <brainwash> Noskcaj: so, do you plan to also patch libxfce4ui?
[21:40] <brainwash> to fix the help button is applications like thunar
[21:41] <Noskcaj> I forgot about that one, doing now
[21:43] <brainwash> great
[21:46] <Noskcaj> brainwash, Could you try and find which packages use xfce_dialog_show_help_with_version() ? bug 1289755 says they will need rebuilding
[21:48] <brainwash> mmh
[21:49] <brainwash> should be quite a few packages
[21:50] <brainwash> oh, that's the new function
[21:55] <brainwash> Noskcaj: so packages which use the new function and were built before the latest libxfce4ui package update?
[21:56] <Noskcaj> yeah
[21:56] <Noskcaj> if there are any
[21:57] <brainwash> not quite sure how to find those =S
[21:57] <Noskcaj> ok
[21:57] <Noskcaj> Don't worry then
[21:58] <brainwash> apt-get source all packages and grep? :D
[21:59] <brainwash> I should avoid using "dh_shlibdeps --dpkg-shlibdeps-params=--ignore-missing-info" for my PPA builds, or?
[22:01] <brainwash> adding this seems to be any easy way to avoid build aborts
[22:01] <Noskcaj> mr_pouit, Since you fixed the bug, any idea what needs rebuilding?
[22:04] <Noskcaj> brainwash, when possible, stick to what ubuntu has for PPAs
[22:08] <brainwash> what ubuntu has for PPAs? I don't quite understand this
[22:09] <brainwash> I am trying to set up a daily ppa for Xfce packages, well, I was trying to
[22:11] <Noskcaj> brainwash, i mean, when possible, use the same packaging as ubuntu does
[22:12] <brainwash> I do
[22:12] <brainwash> I copied the debian folder from the ubuntu package
[22:12] <brainwash> and I've added extra stuff until it finally built successfully
[22:12] <brainwash> :)
[22:14] <brainwash> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~thad-fisch/+junk/xfwm4-debian/view/head:/debian/rules
[22:15] <brainwash> so I had to add the "override_dh_shlibdeps", but I assume that this is just a bad way of handling the actual problem
[22:17] <Noskcaj> I'm not to well versed with shlibs (i know nothing about C), but that override doesn't look too good
[22:21] <brainwash> ok, I'll try to resolve this properly before building more packages
[23:07] <brainwash> Unit193: bug 1296058
[23:08] <brainwash> light-locker is disabled for xuubntu's live mode now, where can I find that change?


[17:41] <jpatrick> @sun
[17:42] <botijo> Facto sun no encontrado
[17:45] <no0tic> jpatrick, llueve?
[17:45] <no0tic> jpatrick, hay lluvia?
[17:46] <no0tic> jpatrick, uhm, too many languages conflicting in my brain
[17:46] <jpatrick> no0tic: typo of @syn
[17:46] <jpatrick> no0tic: and yeah, I know how that feels
[17:46] <no0tic> ack!
[17:47] <no0tic> now I rst
[17:47] <jpatrick> now, I suffer
[17:47] <no0tic> if !SYN then DROP
[17:50] <jpatrick> aww
[17:53] <Myrtti> !syn
[17:53] <ubotu> FIN... FIN!!!... GO AWAY!!! FIN.
[17:59] <no0tic> :D
[18:00] <Nafallo> haha
[18:00] <Myrtti> :->


[02:41] <purrdeta> but thats not significant
[02:42] <purrdeta> It was working on hotspot one day then the next day it was just gone.
[02:42] <purrdeta> B132: the most important thing is for your math notebooks not to get wet
[02:42] <purrdeta> Greets friend
[02:42] <purrdeta> inv3nt0r, takes after GTK3. It's all the rage now-a-days. ;-P
[09:03] <xin> hi all
[09:03] <ubrl> xin:点点点.  17:03
[09:06]  * xin
[09:08] <xin> join #freenode


[02:09] <pleia2> JoseeAntonioR: about?
[02:09] <pleia2> I'm doing review of summaries, if you're around you're welcome to do the copying and stats once I'm done
[02:28] <pleia2> actually, I've got time to take care of this
[02:56] <pleia2> off to editors \o/
[02:56] <pleia2> Unit193: check links? :)
[03:18] <JoseeAntonioR> sorry, was afk
[03:20] <pleia2> no worries, just figured I'd ask if you were around
[03:21] <JoseeAntonioR> :)
[03:55] <Unit193> Awww, no link... :P
[03:56] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue302
[03:58] <Unit193> Yeah, got to it after a minute or two, wiki be slow again. :/
[03:58] <Unit193> All links appear to be good.
[03:58] <pleia2> thanks!
[04:01] <Unit193> (I always get 2 FPs on 3 of the same header links, in case you ever use the online interface)
[07:48] <dholbach> good morning
[22:18] <pleia2> The new edition of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter is now available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue302


[15:56] <hatch> jujugui call in 4
[15:56] <rick_h_> hatch: yea!
[15:59] <hatch> 3 failures.....sigh
[16:04] <hatch> holy down to 2!
[17:01] <hatch> kadams54: Did we never write any tests for the setmvvisibitlity method that was moved from the servicelist to the db?
[17:01] <kadams54> No?
[17:01] <hatch> ohh it was tested as a side effect
[17:01] <hatch> ignore me :)
[17:02] <hatch> I was so distraught I had to close the irc window
[17:14] <rick_h_> kadams54: have a question on your branch
[17:14] <kadams54> What's that?
[17:14] <rick_h_> kadams54: so trying to follow, in the tests there's an assumption that agent_state == error
[17:14] <rick_h_> kadams54: but I'm not seeing that as part of the conditional?
[17:15] <rick_h_> kadams54: oh hmm, I guess it's in a function 'endpointHasError
[17:15] <rick_h_> https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/640/files#diff-41da19c331704f9c770c1bcad9d31715R1411
[17:16] <kadams54> Line 1430 includes agent_state [17:17] <kadams54> Does that answer the question?
[17:17] <rick_h_> kadams54: ah right ok
[17:17] <rick_h_> kadams54: yea, I'm cool ty
[17:17] <kadams54> Going to comment about it in the PR, for posterity.
[17:18] <rick_h_> kadams54: rgr, also added a request on the bug update so it's clear we're hoping to fix, but could not replicate to 100% validate.
[17:18] <rick_h_> just ask them to reopen if they hit the issue again
[17:20] <hatch> jujugui impromptu poll irissi or weechat?
[17:20] <jcsackett> weechat
[17:21] <hatch> jcsackett: do you just use it within Terminal + tmux?
[17:22] <jcsackett> hatch: not even in tmux.
[17:22] <jcsackett> i mean, right now i'm using xchat, but when i use terminal irc it's weechat.
[17:22] <hatch> I'm getting sick of having to switch windows between editor irc and terminal
[17:22] <hatch> so hoping to remove one of them
[17:23] <rick_h_> irssi
[17:23]  * jcsackett knew that would be rick_h_'s rec.
[17:23] <rick_h_> with tmux
[17:23] <rick_h_> I keep meaning to try weechat, it's supopsed to be nice but irssi just works
[17:23] <jcsackett> hatch: truthfully, having used both i see little difference. i like weechat b/c i can script it in python instead of perl.
[17:24] <hatch> hmm that's definitely an advantage :)
[17:24] <jcsackett> rick_h_: weechat is nice. scripting in python (or ruby or perl but sssh) is nice.
[17:24] <hatch> I really wish Ubuntu had a terminal client like iTerm2
[17:24] <jcsackett> what in iterm2 do you miss?
[17:24] <hatch> it's prettier :P
[17:24] <rick_h_> I don't scriptit so never bothered. I got irssi setup once long ago and just limp along like someone using windows 95
[17:24] <hatch> easier to apply colours
[17:25] <hatch> profiles are easier to manage
[17:25] <hatch> it's just a better UX really
[17:32] <hatch> jcsackett: what does weechat use as a bouncer? znc?
[17:33] <jcsackett> hatch: gnome-terminal, while slow and somewhat bloated, has never struck me as that much weaker vs iterm2, tbh.
[17:33] <jcsackett> i hear konsole is really nice too, if you don't mind mix and matching your kde and gtk bits.
[17:33] <jcsackett> hatch: it can use any bouncer.
[17:34] <hatch> oh nice ok that's good
[17:34] <jcsackett> hatch: it does have some nice integration with znc--it can parse timestamps and logs sent by it and display them properly.
[17:34] <jcsackett> i don't remember the details; like rick_h_ once i got things working for the most part i stopped poking.
[17:34] <hatch> and I definitely don't want to mix display engine bits - I have a personal vendetta against multiple display engines :P
[17:35] <jcsackett> hatch: don't you already? you're using quassel right. pretty sure that's kde.
[17:35] <hatch> yeah and it ends up looking like garbage :P
[17:36] <hatch> I like consistency whenever possible
[17:36] <hatch> having apps which can use different engines is a little funky
[17:38] <hatch> ok so I guess I don't have a vendetta against different display engines, just mixing and matching :)
[17:39] <hatch> good thing open source people (myself included) don't have opinions :P
[17:46]  * jcsackett laughs
[17:46] <jcsackett> yes, our total impartiality and lack of opinions is really a defining feature. :p
[17:47] <hatch> haha
[17:48] <rick_h_> best tool for the job...so long as it's ruby on rails...for scripting my irc client
[17:48] <hatch> lol
[18:04] <hatch> jcsackett: do you use this ppa? https://launchpad.net/~nesthib/+archive/ubuntu/weechat-stable
[18:04] <jcsackett> hatch: no.
[18:04] <jcsackett> i just install from the repos.
[18:06] <hatch> ahh - I like the ppa's, auto keeping things up to date :)
[18:07] <rick_h_> woot! release is out, get a present
[18:23] <hatch> jujugui lf a review and qa on the latest added services updates https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/641
[18:23] <hatch> make that two
[18:24] <hatch> there will be a few more follow-up branches so requested changes/bugs from reviews may end up being fixed in those
[18:27] <hatch> kadams54: ^ mind taking a look
[18:27] <kadams54> hatch: yeah, digging in.
[18:27] <hatch> thanks
[18:55] <kadams54> jujugui: Another PR to review and QA: https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/642
[18:55] <kadams54> hatch: ^
[18:55] <hatch> will do
[18:57] <hatch> kadams54: comment made
[19:05] <hatch> grabbing lunch
[19:30] <lazyPower> Greetings juju-gui - question: we seem to have a missing recommended charm from the list on jujucharms: https://demo.jujucharms.com/trusty/hdp-tez-3/?text=tez --  https://jujucharms.com/solutions?type=charm
[19:31] <rick_h_> lazyPower: looking
[19:31] <lazyPower> rick_h_: additionally, the hdp-tez charm was updated with the rest of the big data stack, the individual charm view shows old information.  https://jujucharms.com/hdp-tez/trusty -- this may be related.
[19:31] <rick_h_> lazyPower: ok, so it's there https://jujucharms.com/hdp-tez/, we're working on speeding up the solutions page and atm cut results at 150 and guessing it missed the cut
[19:32] <rick_h_> lazyPower: looking
[19:32] <lazyPower> ok, what has me confused is the old icon, and its not showing revision 3
[19:32] <lazyPower> it may be stuck in ingest somewhere
[19:32] <rick_h_> lazyPower: so this was ingested yesterday around midnight
[19:32] <rick_h_> lazyPower: well the first ingest ran then, running every 15 after
[19:32] <lazyPower> they were updated ~ 1.5 hours ago
[19:33] <lazyPower> looks right in the gui, not on jujucharms.com - so im' thinking there's just something wonky going on with the websites meta
[19:33] <rick_h_> lazyPower: rgr, checking
[19:35] <rick_h_> lazyPower: were there others updated so I can narrow down if it's this one or any?
[19:35] <lazyPower> rick_h_: the entire big-data suite was updated. reference the updates here: https://code.launchpad.net/~bigdata-charmers
[19:35] <rick_h_> lazyPower: ok thanks
[19:40] <rick_h_> lazyPower: ok, so the rest of the suite loaded it appears. I'm filing a bug on the ingestion code and we'll check if it loads in QA and try to get logs from production.
[19:40] <lazyPower> thanks rick_h_ -  sorry to be a complainer :)
[19:40] <rick_h_> lazyPower: hah broken isn't complaining
[19:40] <lazyPower> <3
[19:54] <hatch> Makyo: thanks a lot for the review and qa - those two ghost bugs are known and will be tackled in the immediate follow-up
[19:54] <Makyo> hatch, rock on :+1:
[19:54] <hatch> thanks sir
[19:54] <hatch> kadams54: +1?
[19:56] <kadams54> hatch: I'm looking at a cross-interaction bug right now
[19:57] <hatch> does it block landing? Could it be fixed as the follow-up? I'd like to get moving on the next fixes
[19:58] <kadams54> hatch: http://cl.ly/image/222F3s1O252N
[19:58] <kadams54> I'll leave it up to you as to whether or not this blocks landing
[19:58] <hatch> oh that is odd
[19:58] <hatch> lemme  see if I can repro
[19:59] <hatch> there are also some relation lines that should be hidden that are only faded
[19:59] <kadams54> Deploy the mongodb cluster, hide mongos and shard1, highlight configsvr, unhighlight configsvr.
[20:00] <hatch> ugh
[20:00]  * hatch crys "Why won't this end"
[20:01] <hatch> yeah this needs to be fixed in this branch
[20:02] <kadams54> Then there's this, which is also fun: http://cl.ly/image/3w01042X1n2S
[20:03] <hatch> yeah looking at the relation stuff now
[20:04] <hatch> ahh I had if elses
[20:04] <hatch> you can be faded AND hidden
[20:04] <hatch> need if's without the elses
[20:04] <hatch> maybe
[20:04] <hatch> :P
[20:06] <hatch> ugh
[20:07] <kadams54> I do not relish making hatch cry
[20:08] <rick_h_> hatch: need a second set of eyes/pair?
[20:09] <kadams54> Last interaction thing I found: highlight shard1, then hide shard2. That puts things in bad state #1. Unhide shard2. Instead of fixing things somewat, that puts them in bad state #2.
[20:09] <kadams54> Having problems uploading a screen recording right now
[20:09] <hatch> rick_h_: just stepping through it, my idea on how to fix does indeed fix it, but then it pops back to a broken state afterwards
[20:09] <hatch> it's very confusing...
[20:10] <rick_h_> hatch: let me know if talking it out/etc can help. Happy to jump on and peek
[20:10] <hatch> yeah gimme 15
[20:10] <hatch> then we'll see
[20:10] <kadams54> Gotta run to pick up the kids. Will be back in about 30.
[20:15] <hatch> rick_h_: fixed it - looks like it was caused by d3's async fading - can we ditch the fade-in/out animations for now?
[20:15] <hatch> add them back in later via css?
[20:15] <hatch> well that fixes one of the bugs
[20:15] <hatch> :)
[20:16] <rick_h_> hatch: sounds ok to me
[20:17] <hatch> great - I've already added a previous card where I removed something similar so that card can now include this too
[20:29] <hatch> sweet
[20:29] <hatch> fixed them all
[20:30] <hatch> trivial fixes too, boy am I happy I did this correctly
[20:30] <hatch> lol
[20:30] <hatch> was so worried I made a mistake in the architecture somewhere
[20:32] <hatch> kadams54-away: just fixing up the tests here then I'll push up a fixed version. Those screen recordings were immensely helpful
[20:33] <rick_h_> :( nexus 9 is a movie playing disappointment ouch.
[20:34] <hatch> oh really? How come?
[20:35] <rick_h_> the screen size, it letter boxes the movies so half the screen is wasted
[20:35] <rick_h_> aspect ratio fail for hd movies
[20:35] <hatch> oh weird that seams like a huge oversight
[20:35] <hatch> are you sure it's not just the movie you're watching?
[20:35] <hatch> I know some movies have weird ratios too
[20:36] <rick_h_> hmm, yea it's a bit less bad on another movie
[20:36] <rick_h_> but still :(
[20:52] <hatch> kadams54-away: ok fixes are pushed, plz try again :)
[21:09] <hatch> rick_h_: I'm sure you have nothing but free time right now - but the releasable lane still has cards in it ;)
[21:09]  * hatch runs away snickering
[21:15] <kadams54> hatch: re-checking
[21:18] <hatch> thanks
[21:18] <hatch> now you better not find anymore bugs... :P
[21:18] <hatch> at least not ones that happen on deployed services :D
[21:20] <kadams54> Well… if canvas looks all clear, I'm going to do regression testing on MV ;-)
[21:21] <hatch> haha if there are any mv issues they can go in a follow-up :P
[21:22] <kadams54> Still seeing this: http://cl.ly/image/2c1v2J2P361p
[21:23] <kadams54> It's better than it was before, but still not what I expect.
[21:23] <kadams54> (What I expect is for nothing to happen when I "hide" shard2.)
[21:24] <kadams54> (But maybe that's not right.)
[21:26] <kadams54> hatch: the other interactions look good, so that's a win.
[21:27] <hatch> damnit
[21:37] <hatch> kadams54: ok I'll get back on that shortly - will you be around tonight to take another look? (assuming I can get it fixed in the next 1.5h :) )
[21:37] <kadams54> Yes, though not until after 8 PM Eastern.
[21:38] <kadams54> hatch: is it 2:38 local time for you?
[21:38] <hatch> 3:38
[21:38] <hatch> GMT -6 always
[21:38] <hatch> ok well I'll get as far as I can on it then push up if I solve it
[21:46] <hatch> kadams54: yeah your latest bug is in the code which determines what attributes get set on the models
[21:46] <hatch> this will take some more time to figure out I think
[21:53] <hatch> kadams54: what if we disabled the fade button when it is already hidden/faded ?
[21:54] <kadams54> hatch: yeah, I was thinking through options like that, but… I'm not sure it would be any simpler to code up.
[21:54] <hatch> that might just introduce another level of complexity
[21:54] <kadams54> Yup.
[21:54] <hatch> ok I might have a solution
[21:54] <hatch> maybe
[21:54] <hatch> heh
[22:00] <huwshimi> Morning
[22:00] <hatch> shit I think I fixed it
[22:01] <hatch> morning huwshimi
[22:01] <hatch> kadams54: when is your eod?
[22:01] <hatch> now?
[22:02] <kadams54> hatch: 13 minutes and counting
[22:02] <hatch> lol start a little late?
[22:02] <kadams54> Well, it's only a little after 5 here, so I won't be working that late.
[22:03] <kadams54> I generally try to work later since I usually lose some time in the middle of the afternoon to pick the kids up.
[22:03] <hatch> oh ok :) so you're 1h ahead of me
[22:03] <kadams54> Yes. We were 2 hours ahead until this past weekend.
[22:03] <hatch> I appear to have fixed the bug and maintained the other fixes
[22:03] <kadams54> Super.
[22:03] <hatch> just need to figure out how to make sure we have a test for this now
[22:03] <kadams54> I'll give it another whirl
[22:03] <kadams54> Have you pushed the fix>
[22:03] <kadams54> ?
[22:04] <hatch> I haven't
[22:04] <hatch> one sec
[22:04] <lazyPower> rick_h_: as afollow up to earlier with a missing unit, i have untis that have been removed that should no longer be displaying.
[22:05] <hatch> kadams54: pushed - do you know where the event extension tests are?
[22:05] <lazyPower> for example: https://jujucharms.com/hdp-hadoop-hive-mysql/0 - was removed
[22:05] <kadams54> test_browser_events.js
[22:05] <hatch> ermahgerd that page is so pretty
[22:05] <hatch> kadams54: thanks iunno why I couldn't find it :) brain probably slowing down haha
[22:07] <hatch> ok writing the test - I REALLLLLY hope you don't find any more bugs
[22:07] <kadams54> Me too.
[22:14] <hatch> no bugs so far? Man this must be good news - or there are so many it's taking you a while to catalogue them
[22:14] <hatch> lol
[22:17] <hatch> ok tests pushed
[22:28] <kadams54> hatch: looks good
[22:28] <kadams54> +1
[22:28] <kadams54> I'll add to PR as well
[22:29] <hatch> ZONG
[22:29] <hatch> ZOMG even
[22:29] <hatch> shippin that ish
[22:32] <kadams54> hatch: MV looks good even
[22:32] <kadams54> OK, gotta run, will check in later.
[22:32] <hatch> awesome - cya
[23:08] <rick_h_> lazyPower: ping around?
[23:08] <rick_h_> hatch: :P
[23:08] <lazyPower> rick_h_: i am
[23:08] <rick_h_> lazyPower: ok, how was it removed? It's there in the page you linked? Or was something else removed?
[23:09] <rick_h_> lazyPower: now the try in demo button is disabled because of an ssl issue where browser is blocking an ajax request. We've got a fix landed for that and will be doing a deploy tomorrow with webops
[23:09] <lazyPower> the bzr repository was removed, as aiui that should remove it from the charm store *but only when talking about bundles*
[23:09] <lazyPower> s/as/and/
[23:10] <rick_h_> lazyPower: oh it *needs* to be removed?
[23:10] <lazyPower> yessir, the hdp-hadoop-hive-mysql, hdp-hadoop-pig, and hdp-hadoop-cluster bundles - as they have serial names that mean nothing to anyone.
[23:11] <lazyPower> this is part of a cleanup that the new launch shed light upon - to keep things tidy and looking nice.
[23:11] <lazyPower> tehy were mirrored in the newer bundles you see above, that mirror teh big-data-feature page nomenclature
[23:11] <rick_h_> lazyPower: ok, will file a ticket to get them removed. Can you shoot me an email with the list?
[23:11] <lazyPower> sure can, incoming
[23:11] <rick_h_> lazyPower: thanks, will get it out of there
[23:12] <rick_h_> lazyPower: copy uros on the email please
[23:14] <lazyPower> rick_h_: email deployed
[23:57] <huwshimi> hatch: Are you still around?


[22:52] <johnc4510> The new issue of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter #182 is now available
[22:52] <johnc4510> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue182
[22:59] <cjohnston> Thanks johnc4510


[00:58] <cim209> anyone getting issues of software updater disappearing? or when you open it up, it fails to load?
[01:02] <cim209> here's the pastebin https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/xqsZZ5WydW/
[06:15] <stevenm> is there any issues with indicator icons being too big/oversized so that their top/bottom bits get cut off?
[06:15] <stevenm> https://i.snag.gy/3S5V0I.jpg
[06:16] <stevenm> e.g. if the program (in this case the nextcloud client) is is proving an image file larger than the area,... is the indicator applet meant to size it down - or is the thing that's trying to use the applet meant to do that?!  is this is a bug with the indicator applet basically or the thing using it?
[16:43] <stevenm> hey so I've got a new laptop here which has a stupidly big resolution of 3200x1800
[16:43] <stevenm> so some in-built thing must realise this because it doubles the size of all the programs showing
[16:44] <stevenm> some programs don't like this so look like big windows with tiny objects/text in them - but whatever i can live with that
[16:44] <stevenm> i'm not sure what the technical term for this process is though
[16:44] <stevenm> but what I have realised - is when i connect 2 x 1080p monitors (it's a thunderbolt 3 port that supports 2 monitors) - all the apps stay *double* sized - on the external monitors
[16:44] <vkareh> stevenm: it's HiDPI, so this is GTK scaling
[16:45] <stevenm> which looks crazy
[16:45] <stevenm> ok so is there a way to say don't scale on the external monitors when a window is dragged over or opens on them?
[16:45] <vkareh> stevenm: so, your monitors are _not_ HiDPI, but your laptop is. Scaling only works on the entire display, not on a per-monitor basis
[16:46] <stevenm> sigh
[16:46] <vkareh> stevenm: your options are: disable HiDPI when you connect the monitors, or use xrandr to scale the monitors down
[16:46] <stevenm> right so when my boss is opposite me with his stupid surface book pro 2 and windows 10 - and i see it change the scale of the windows as he moves stuff around...
[16:46] <stevenm> ... basically that's not doable in linux land yet?
[16:47] <vkareh> stevenm: correct
[16:47] <stevenm> so essentially make my laptop use 1600x900 (half the res) and disable hidpi and everything on all monitors will look normal?
[16:47] <vkareh> stevenm: I have a HiDPI laptop and a single monitor attached to it, using xrandr to down-scale the monitor works for me - that way I get a HiDPI laptop display, and a normal monitor
[16:48] <vkareh> stevenm: yes, that's option 1
[16:48] <stevenm> ok confused you just said you couldn't do it on a per monitor basis
[16:48] <vkareh> stevenm: not from the GTK scaling itself, no - but you can trick the monitor into scaling itself down directly on X11
[16:49] <vkareh> I don't know if it will work on two monitors, though...
[16:49] <stevenm> down scale the external monitor?
[16:49] <vkareh> it should, but you would have issues with the position
[16:49] <vkareh> yep
[16:49] <stevenm> but it doesn't need down scaling - it's already at the right res of 1080p
[16:49] <stevenm> just what is showing on it is double sized
[16:49] <stevenm> i feel like i'm missing something here
[16:50] <vkareh> stevenm: do something like `xrandr --output HDMI1 --scale 2x2` in your terminal (change the HDMI1 part with whatever device name your monitor is) and it will scale just that monitor
[16:51] <vkareh> the problem is that when you do that, the position of the monitor gets all messed up, so you would need to do something like `xrandr --output eDP1 --pos 3840x1080` or something like that to get your laptop monitor to be in the "right" position
[16:52] <stevenm> ok so that looks confusing
[16:52] <vkareh> stevenm: really, it's a pain, unfortunately :/
[16:52] <stevenm> one monitor looks right now - and the other looks like it shows a section of the first at bad scaling
[16:52] <vkareh> most people end up just lowering the laptop resolution to 1600x900 and be done with it :/
[16:52] <stevenm> original output from xrandr... https://pastebin.com/raw/Mvhszzf6
[16:53] <vkareh> stevenm: yeah, now try the same command but on the other monitor
[16:53] <stevenm> so i ran... xrandr --output DP-2-1 --scale 2x2
[16:53] <stevenm> but if i run... xrandr --output DP-1-3 --scale 2x2
[16:53] <stevenm> xrandr: screen cannot be larger than 8192x8192 (desired size 8960x2160)
[16:53] <vkareh> oh wow, okay that's unexpected
[16:54] <stevenm> i could try other ports though - basically this laptop has a thunderbolt 3 40gbps connection to a dell dock
[16:54] <vkareh> sorry I've never done two monitors at once, I'm wondering if it has to do with the position (notice how i'ts 5120x0 on DP-1-3, maybe it thinks it's off bounds or something
[16:54] <stevenm> and the dock has like 1 hdmi, 2 dp's (one mini one not) and 1 hdmi
[16:55] <stevenm> oh and a vga
[16:55] <stevenm> lol
[16:55] <vkareh> nice
[16:55] <vkareh> that vga sounds kinda useless there! ;)
[16:55] <vkareh> I guess for office projectors :P
[16:55] <stevenm> yeah but i'm using it - it's what DP-1-3 is
[16:55] <vkareh> hah, crazy okay
[16:55] <stevenm> tbh the monitor does hdmi too - but i cba find a cable yet
[16:56] <stevenm> i will when i can
[16:56] <stevenm> so what does this option do?  does it compress a 3200x1800 image into the space of a 1600x900 ?
[16:57] <vkareh> ah, yeah my external is on HDMI, works fine with this script: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/R9RPBmqyPD/
[16:57] <vkareh> stevenm: yeah, pretty much
[16:57] <stevenm> and that is meant to look ok?
[16:57] <vkareh> that script works for a single monitor on top of the laptop
[16:58] <vkareh> stevenm: not really, if you compare before/after, the down-scaled monitor will look a bit off - different monitors look different, based on its tolerance (and yours, really). I'd say try it and see if it looks bad for you
[16:59] <vkareh> stevenm: for me, my external looks slightly less crisp than if it were just all non-HiDPI, but it's minor enough that having the HiDPI laptop makes up for it
[16:59] <stevenm> oh yeah when i move the cursor really slowly - you can see it blurring
[16:59] <vkareh> but again, ymmv
[16:59] <stevenm> that's what i've have expected
[17:00] <stevenm> so the GTK scaling... does that mean stuff which isn't written with GTK+ won't look right?
[17:00] <stevenm> and is that scaling done in the window manager (in my case, marco i think)
[17:00] <vkareh> this is one of the issues of using X11, which is a 30+ year-old display server... Wayland _should_ give us all the nice things and then some, when it works, but MATE is way too integrated with X11, so that'll be a while
[17:01] <vkareh> stevenm: not necessarily - GTK2 things will look bad, GTK3 things will look good, but there's a flag in gsettings to synchronize the settings with QT apps so that they scale along with GTK
[17:01] <stevenm> ok this sounds horrible already :)
[17:01] <stevenm> but i guess none of these gtk2/3/qt workarounds will be needed with wayland?
[17:01] <vkareh> stevenm: no, the scaling is done directly in GTK... marco scales itself based on the GTK scaling, as well as all GTK apps
[17:02] <vkareh> stevenm: not quite, Wayland only means that scaling can be done at the monitor level... the toolkit still needs to support HiDPI (which gtk2 does not)
[17:03] <stevenm> ok - i think i'm gonna opt for disabling hidpi
[17:03] <stevenm> i'm (hopefully) barely ever going to be looking at the laptop screen anyway
[17:03] <stevenm> my boss wants me on a laptop - but i hate laptops - which is why i have the dock so i can forget it is one
[17:03] <stevenm> i don't need 3 screens :P
[17:03] <vkareh> stevenm: yeah if you expect to use the monitors more than the laptop, that's probably the best idea... unfortunately
[17:03] <vkareh> hah
[17:03] <stevenm> whats the official way to turn off hidpi then?
[17:04] <vkareh> go to MATE Tweak and in the Windows section, set the HiDPI to "Regular"
[17:04] <stevenm> how do i undo this scaling xrandr first - just reset it as 1x2 ?
[17:05] <vkareh> stevenm: or run this in your terminal: `gsettings set org.mate.interface window-scaling-factor 1` (it's the same as the tweak window)
[17:05] <stevenm> *1x1
[17:05] <vkareh> xrandr --output blah --auto (I think)
[17:05] <vkareh> or xrandr --output blah --scale 1x1
[17:07] <stevenm> ok think that has worked
[17:08] <stevenm> hexchat looks bizzare with lots of gaps  -but i'm guessing it'd need relaunching anyway
[17:08] <vkareh> stevenm: yeah, restarting hexchat usually fixes it for me :)
[17:12] <vkareh> stevenm: oooor.... tell your boss to get you two new shiny HiDPI monitors ;)
[17:30] <stevenm> vkareh, yeah i thought that too :) very tempted to just use the company ebay account
[17:30] <stevenm> anyway off home now
[17:30] <stevenm> thanks for the help vkareh  :)
[17:33] <vkareh> stevenm: you're welcome! good luck :)
[20:24] <kriebz> I don't get tooltips (mouse over summary) on my System Monitor panel applet, and I don't know why


[00:31] <holstein> earthling_: what are you trying to do?
[00:31] <holstein> you should just be able to upgrade the kernel you have.. and not need to bother with the details much
[00:39] <aragorn> I'm new to Ubuntu, running 12.04 on a Dell XPS M1330.  I did something to one of my user accounts that caused the panels to disappear from that desktop.  I can't start any programs because there's nothing to click on.
[00:40] <JoseeAntonioR> aragorn: Try opening a terminal by pressing Ctrl+Alt+T, and then write 'unity' (without quotes) and press enter.
[00:41] <aragorn> Did that; got a series of error msgs?
[00:41] <holstein> aragorn: its just that one user?
[00:42] <aragorn> Yes; other users are fine.  Including my admin, thank goodness.
[00:42] <holstein> aragorn: if it were me, i would just blow out all the configs, and test again.. and put back just what i need/want carefully testing as i go
[00:43] <aragorn> Wish I knew how and where to do that...
[00:47] <TheNewGuy> Hi guys
[00:47] <TheNewGuy> I'm the new guy
[00:48] <phillw> !patience | TheNewGuy
[00:50] <TheNewGuy> so... how does this work?
[00:52] <phillw> !ask | TheNewGuy
[00:53] <TheNewGuy> ok i gotcha... Ill get back in a little bit... Just messing around with ubunto for now
[00:53] <phillw> TheNewGuy: then come back and ask!
[00:55] <TheNewGuy> here is a quick i had earlier... whenever I config my ip address with ifconfig eth0 192.168..... netma....
[00:55] <TheNewGuy> Ill lose connection to the outside world
[00:55] <TheNewGuy> I can still ping the ubuntu vm from my host machine
[00:56] <TheNewGuy> so if i restarted my vm, the eth0 grabs <IP_ADDRESS> from my at&t router, but everytime I try to change it to something else, ill lose connection
[00:56] <TheNewGuy> even if I try to change it to the exact same ip addr of .87
[01:18] <earthling_> holstein, just doing recommended security update
[13:49] <seriously_random> hi, how to use tracker-needle? I think it doesn't index even though I did select folders in tracker-preferences
[14:06] <holstein> !info tracker-needle
[14:07] <holstein> seriously_random: what are you trying to do? search files?
[14:22] <seriously_random> holstein, search /code folder
[14:22] <holstein> seriously_random: you want to search for a directory named /code ?
[14:22] <seriously_random> inside code folder there are .py files, lots of them. I want search within these files
[14:23] <seriously_random> I installed tracker-gui
[14:23] <seriously_random> but it seems that indexing did not start
[14:24] <holstein> seriously_random: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FindingFiles is what i would refer too ?
[14:25] <holstein> !info beagle
[14:25] <seriously_random> hohoho
[14:25] <seriously_random> you are behind times
[14:25] <holstein> seems beagle has been pulled.. what are you using?
[14:25] <holstein> seriously_random: ?
[14:25] <seriously_random> tracker is same as beagle
[14:25] <holstein> seriously_random: i am using the LTS mostly
[14:26] <holstein> seriously_random: would you prefer talking with a different volunteer? if you feel i am "behind times" i dont have to bother with searching for information if you prefer
[14:27] <Unit193> !info catfish
[14:27] <seriously_random> actually, it would be cool if you installed it let me know how to get it to index
[14:27] <seriously_random> I can't log out at the moment. I am in a little race against the time
[14:27] <holstein> yeah, catfish is what i go to.. since i found it a few years back
[14:28] <holstein> seriously_random: how does catfish suit you?
[14:28] <holstein> Unit193: should we update that wiki?
[14:29] <seriously_random> holstein, I will promise to take a look. first I will have to finish something
[14:30] <Unit193> apt-file, and dpkg listed first?  That wiki is confused...
[14:30] <holstein> Unit193: seems like its a bit odd and out dated
[14:32] <Unit193> holstein: Yeah, my go to is normally locate, but need find at times for a different use case.  I have no idea other than those two, and catfish though.  (Not counting apt-file, dpkg -S and -L, which I wouldn't personally list.)
[14:33] <holstein> Unit193: catfish is not even on the list.. and i think it should be
[14:34] <Unit193> holstein: Yeah, it may not have been so awesome before, but been nicely updated.
[15:30] <seriously_random> holstein, I actually had it installed already. Reporting that it works and finds nicely text in files


[01:48] <bdrung> ari-tczew: "You can remove field XSBC-Original-Maintainer and move your person to Maintainer field as this package is not coming from Debian" - thats wrong (and dpkg-source will complain)
[01:48] <bdrung> ari-tczew: the maintainer needs to have a @ubuntu.com address in Ubuntu.
[01:49] <bdrung> ari-tczew: why should we upgrade to debhelper 8? what benefit does it bring us over debhelper 7?
[01:50] <ari-tczew> bdrung: ah right, @ubuntu.com address.
[01:50] <bdrung> ari-tczew: btw, i was referring to http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/wallch
[01:50] <ari-tczew> bdrung: I know what are you reffering to.
[01:50] <ari-tczew> bdrung: keeping up-to-dated QA standards
[02:15] <paissad> guys, i have debian/patches/ & debian/.pc directories, i use quilt in order to apply the patches, ... i only set debian/source/format to "3.0 (quilt)"
[02:16] <paissad> but except when i i manually copy (rsync) debian/.pc to sourceDir/.pc ... my build fails (debuild)
[02:16] <paissad> actually, the patches from debian/patches are not considered automatically
[02:17] <paissad> apart from have the patches in debian/patches & source/format, is there something i'm missing ?
[02:25] <Bachstelze> paissad: did you add the patches to debian/patches/series ?
[02:25] <paissad> Bachstelze, yes
[02:26] <paissad> Bachstelze, actually i think i know what is the problem, 2 sec please
[02:27] <paissad> actually, no i don't know what's the problem ^^
[02:28] <Bachstelze> I'm not sure I understand either
[02:28] <Bachstelze> what do you mean by "not considered"?
[02:39] <paissad> Bachstelze, well, i have pms-linux-$VERSION/debian/patches/
[02:39] <paissad> QUILT_PATCHES=debian/patches
[02:39] <paissad> QUILT_REFRESH_ARGS="-p ab --no-timestamps
[02:39] <paissad> here is the tree of pms-linux-$VERSION/.pc -> http://dpaste.com/291751/
[02:40] <paissad> here is the tree of debian/patches/ --> http://dpaste.com/291752/
[02:42] <Bachstelze> paissad: one moment please, I'm in the middle of writing a Very Important™ email :)
[02:42] <paissad> don't bother mate ^^
[05:23] <wolfric> as per https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/693962 would this be a fair task for motu? Someone suggested i give packaging it myself a shot and from the brief read on the wiki, motu seems quite interesting and community friendly
[05:24] <wolfric> would this be a suitable candidate for me to try package?
[05:50] <micahg> wolfric: yes, it's probably just missing from the install file
[06:09] <wolfric> micahg: as in the aircrack deb install file?
[06:09] <micahg> wolfric: the .install file in teh debian dir if it exists
[06:42] <sagaci> wolfric: have you done much packaging
[06:50] <mase_wk> lo people. I am getting this error "debian/changelog(l5): found eof where expected first heading" from my debuild -S -uc -us
[06:50] <mase_wk> here is my changelog http://pastebin.ca/2032626
[06:50] <mase_wk> i am unsure why it's complaining about the file, it looks very similiar to
[06:50] <mase_wk> http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-source.html#s-dpkgchangelog
[06:51] <micahg> mase_wk: you have no release name, source package shouldn't be capitalized
[06:51] <mase_wk> ok, what is the release name meant to reference ?
[06:51] <mase_wk> the release of the distro ?
[06:51] <micahg> mase_wk: yes
[06:52] <mase_wk> so Maverick Meerkat or just Maverick , do i use capitals for that ?
[06:52] <micahg> mase_wk: maverick, lower case, but only if this is for a local build or PPA, not REVU
[06:53] <mase_wk> i am unsure what REVU is. This isn't actually going into the distro, i would like it to go into an apt repository which i host somewhere
[06:54] <mase_wk> at least initially
[06:54] <micahg> mase_wk: ah, ok, maverick is fine then
[06:55] <micahg> mase_wk: to get the correct format, you can use dch --create
[06:56] <mase_wk> well i did use that initially but i didn't realise the case was important and i didn't know what release was referring to so i just removed it :)
[06:57] <mase_wk> so out of curiosity, what happens if debian people want to use this apt repo ? can they or do i need a debian install in order to create something that they can use ?
[06:57] <mase_wk> debian people = people who use debian :)
[06:59] <mase_wk> also i am getting a sh: gcc: not found, however this project is entirely PHP so why do i need gcc ?
[07:06] <micahg> mase_wk: part of build-essential?
[10:49] <shankao> hi! against which package should be filled "please sync..." reports? (i.e.: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/612518)
[10:50] <shankao> xen 3.3? should be left in the general "ubuntu" package?
[10:59] <shankao> found a dup (#378240) in xen-3.3, I will mark it as such
[14:03] <micahg> shankao: sync and merge bugs have a different workflow than regular bugs
[14:08] <shankao> so, should they be assigned to the general "ubuntu" package?
[14:11] <shankao> I mean, how do they get known to the proper people?
[14:12] <micahg> shankao: no, there are processes for them, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/#MOTU Processes, please don't touch them unless you understand the processes
[14:13] <shankao> ok, I see
[14:13] <shankao> thanks for the info
[15:40] <pulb> hi guys! bilal just suggested me to come here and ask for a package review. The package is called Basenji was uploaded  here http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=8714 some time ago .Its lintian clean and just needs a review.  would be awesome if someone could do that :-)
[15:47] <ari-tczew> pulb: I'll have a look later. what did you do to get package in Debian?
[15:49] <pulb> ari-tczew: great! I didn't upload it to debian, just to revu. I'm using ubuntu and didnt find the time yet to check if it builds on debian
[15:51] <hugo_> hello
[15:52] <hugo_> Is it possible to migrate a package from getdeb.net to official debian repositories?
[15:58] <ari-tczew> yes, it is
[18:39] <DktrKranz> bdrung: congrats!
[18:40] <highvoltage> moo
[18:42] <sebner> bdrung: congrats! :)
[18:42] <vorian> what'd he do DktrKranz?  dd?
[18:42] <DktrKranz> vorian: exacly, just now
[18:42] <sebner> vorian: yeah
[18:42] <vorian> coolio, congrats bdrung
[18:44]  * maco claps
[19:03] <hakermania> what happened to bdrung?
[19:15] <bdrung> DktrKranz, sebner, vorian: thanks.
[19:16] <bdrung> my irc client celebrates a highlighting festival. ;)
[19:18] <hakermania> bdrung: Congrats :) but for what?
[19:18] <bdrung> hakermania: DD - Debian Developer
[19:19] <bdrung> hakermania: now i have full upload rights to both worlds
[19:19] <hakermania> bdrung: Ouao. :)
[19:21] <bdrung> muhahaha
[19:25] <micahg> bdrung a DD now?  very cool
[19:25] <bdrung> micahg: yes :)
[19:32] <DktrKranz> bdrung: go for Archive-Admin and FTP Team too, so you'll have full breakage rights too ;)
[19:35] <Laney> I just lost my almost-completed T&S reply
[19:35] <Laney> this makes me sad and angry
[19:36] <DktrKranz> I imagine...
[19:36]  * sebner hugs Laney :(
[19:36] <Laney> unfortunately I was asked every single question too, so it was rather long
[19:38]  * DktrKranz printed the questions, and answered on-paper during lunchtime in office
[19:38] <DktrKranz> quite old-style, but worked good :)
[19:46] <hakermania> Ey, how do I do that? ***hakermania had a coffe
[19:57]  * geser explains hakermania how to use /me
[20:02]  * hakermania says
[20:02] <hakermania> geser: cool, thx
[20:05] <tumbleweed> bdrung: congrats :) (sorry missed your messages last night)
[20:05] <bdrung> tumbleweed: thanks
[20:06] <tumbleweed> geser: any idea why ubuntutools.lp.lpapicache.Distribution('ubuntu') takes a lot longer than launchpadlib.launchpad.Launchpad.login_anonymously('testing', 'production').distributions['ubuntu'] (it seems to transfer a lot of data)
[20:09] <tumbleweed> geser: 10s vs 2s
[20:10] <geser> did you use anon-login also in the ubuntutools.lp.lpapicache case?
[20:10] <bdrung> tumbleweed: why do we need ubuntutools.lp.lpapicache?
[20:10] <tumbleweed> it defaults to that, right?
[20:10] <geser> tumbleweed: no, default is normal login
[20:10] <tumbleweed> bdrung: it caches results (but yes that was my first question too)
[20:11] <bdrung> tumbleweed: and launchpadlib doesn't?
[20:11] <tumbleweed> geser: err yes that was it, sorry :(
[20:11] <geser> bdrung: before lpapicache the several functions from requestsync all refetched the object they needed through the LP API make the script unnessarily slow
[20:12] <geser> bdrung: no, unless you pass the fetched object around
[20:12] <bdrung> geser: can't we improve requestsync instead?
[20:12] <bdrung> geser: introducing object that store the launchpad objects?
[20:13] <geser> bdrung: that's what lpapicache does
[20:20] <geser> bdrung: lpapicache does it in a singleton style: doing Distribution('ubuntu') in one function and the same in a different function gives you the same object (fetched only once)
[20:49] <lifeless> bdrung: launchpadlib has to be conservative about caching; client code can be more aggressive where it has domain knowledge suggesting safety
[22:47] <hakermania> ari-tczew: new package for wallch uploaded with one warning about the maintainer field (I was told by you to remove the XSBC-Original-Maintainer field at your comment. Please, if you have some time check it out.
[22:47] <hakermania> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/wallch
[22:57] <mase_wk> what is the difference between the source formats quilt and native and what would make me choose one over the other ?
[22:59] <micahg> mase_wk: native has no upstream tarball
[23:00] <mase_wk> ok cool that is what i want then :)
[23:01] <mase_wk> do i still use debbuild -S -uc -us if my source format is native ?
[23:01] <mase_wk> nm it's created everything..just in the dir above
[23:01] <mase_wk> which i guess makes sense
[23:12] <bdrung> mase_wk: what do you package?
[23:13] <mase_wk> this is my first package. It's an application framework called timber
[23:14] <mase_wk> i have a file called build.xml, an ant compatible build tool called phing is used with timber
[23:15] <mase_wk> however it's complaining that it can't run ant clean
[23:15] <mase_wk> but i don't really want / need ant as a dependancy
[23:16] <mase_wk> how can i tell debbuild to ignore it ?
[23:16] <bdrung> mase_wk: this application is not Ubuntu specific?
[23:16] <mase_wk> no
[23:16] <mase_wk> the layout is ubuntu / debian specific
[23:17] <mase_wk> the fedora / RH use a different directory layout but that's about it
[23:17] <kklimonda>   /b 10
[23:17] <bdrung> mase_wk: then it shouldn't be a native package.
[23:18] <mase_wk> then it requires me to have an upstream tarball...which i don't have / want. I have a git repo which contains a branch which has only the debian dir in it
[23:18] <mase_wk> the idea being that i merge the debian branch and the master branch and run debuild and instapackage
[23:19] <bdrung> mase_wk: your upstream branch should be put into a tarball. you could add a "dist" target to build.xml to generate the tarball.
[23:20] <mase_wk> well a) build.xml isn't actually getting used at the moment
[23:20] <mase_wk> it's just there as a placeholder , but it will be in the future
[23:20] <mase_wk> although for unit tests and documentation
[23:20] <mase_wk> not as part of the install routine.
[23:21] <mase_wk> but if i do ever try and get this into debian i will do that.
[23:21] <oojah> mase_wk: You can/should create a tarball by making a get-orig-source target in debian/rules
[23:22] <oojah> (as I understand it)
[23:24] <oojah> There's an example in http://packages.ubuntu.com/source/maverick/sqlite3-pcre - download and extract the .debian.tar.gz file listed on the right.
[23:24] <mase_wk> oojah: ok, so then i just put the instructions for making my source tarball in there?
[23:24] <oojah> Bottom, not right.
[23:24] <oojah> mase_wk: It actually makes the source tarball.
[23:25] <mase_wk> sorry which of those files do i need the sqlite3-pcre_0~git20070120091816+4229ecc-0ubuntu1.debian.tar.gz one ?
[23:26] <oojah> mase_wk: Yep, then look at debian/rules
[23:26] <mase_wk> n/m not it
[23:26] <mase_wk> got it rather
[23:27] <mase_wk> kewl, thanks
[23:27] <oojah> It's just an example so might not apply to what you need to do exactly.
[23:35] <mase_wk> oojah: awesome that worked really well. so now my source format is correct.
[23:35] <mase_wk> does anyone have any idea how i can stop debbuild from trying to use my build.xml
[23:49] <EagleScreen> hello
[23:53] <mase_wk> hi EagleScreen
[23:55] <EagleScreen> can someone tell me what is wrong with this zenity code? <-- http://paste.debian.net/103446/
[23:55] <EagleScreen> when the URL is clicked, nothing happens
[23:55] <EagleScreen> and terminal outputs this: http://paste.debian.net/103447/


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[02:08] <bluesabre> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/focal-fossa-mascot-wallpapers/14621?u=wimpress
[02:08] <bluesabre> In case you all want to spam the wp contest with fossas :)
[02:15] <jphilips> bluesabre: should we put out a xubuntu version up - https://twitter.com/m_wimpress/status/1234971029065220097
[02:22] <bluesabre> jphilips: by all means, feel free to make one :) I'd mess with it, but I'm already done for the night (work spilled over yet again)
[02:27] <jphilips> bluesabre: how's this look - https://i.imgur.com/QHzOuLO.png
[03:00] <JackFrost> Hrm, I like the Albatross-era coloring better, but I imagine that's out of style. :3
[06:45] <jphilips> contact page mentions akxwi-dave as the QA lead. is this accurate?
[08:20] -BottyMcBotFace:#xubuntu-devel- ::platform:: promote runc/containerd to main @ http://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/platform/commit/?id=90fe956db27c595fd3036350a2ad50394091081c (by Christian Ehrhardt)
[09:20] <jphilips> there is a small visual bug in blueman-assistant but dont know where to file the bug
[09:42] <JackFrost> Perhaps `reportbug blueman`?
[09:45] <jphilips> i had gone to blueman, but the code page is blank and wanted to see if i could provide a fix
[09:45] <jphilips> https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/blueman
[09:46] <jphilips> guess i'll just file the bug then
[09:55] <JackFrost> Sources are on par with Debian, could look at that git (or sources.d.o)
[10:00] <jphilips> ochosi: is this how software should look with the default them? - https://www.dedoimedo.com/images/computers-years/2019-2/xubuntu-ermine-software.jpg
[10:00] <jphilips> theme*
[10:00] <jphilips> JackFrost: where can i find the sources?
[10:02] <JackFrost> It doesn't appear to be maintained in git for Debian, but there's always https://sources.debian.org/src/blueman/2.1.2-1/ and upstream's git: https://github.com/blueman-project/blueman
[10:03] <JackFrost> Of course, on Ubuntu you can always do `apt-get source blueman`
[10:41] <jphilips> JackFrost: thanks. filed the bug there
[11:27] <jphilips> also thanks for the tidbit about apt-get source
[11:28] <JackFrost> Sure thing.  Note that pulls the source for whatever release you're on, in ubuntu-dev-tools there's `pull-lp-source` too. :)
[11:42] <bluesabre> Didn't know about `pull-lp-source`
[12:19] <jphilips> when community members to QA testing, is there a main launchpad bug reports page that we could direct them to submit to?
[21:01] <jphilips> as we are no longer putting out i386 releases, is this still necessary - http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/408/builds/208275/testcases
[21:02] <jphilips> assume LTS upgrade for bionic will only appear after focal comes out - http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/408/builds/208276/testcases
[21:04] <jphilips> not sure who to report this to, but i think 'No Network' should be changed to 'Install (No Network)' on the testing tracker page - http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/408/builds/208502/testcases
[22:18] <ochosi> jphilips: yes, that's what i would expect (re: software looks)
[22:18] <jphilips> ochosi: read a review and the reviewer assumed software wasnt picking up the theme correctly
[22:19] <ochosi> meh, that "focal" metaphor with the dotted lines is a little cheesy :/
[22:19] <jphilips> "Software is basically stock Gnome thing - including its own window decorations; it ignores the system theme."
[22:19] <ochosi> right, no, that looks ok
[22:19] <ochosi> and yeah, that's CSD
[22:19] <jphilips> this part "it ignores the system theme."
[22:19] <jphilips> the pic was from the review
[22:20] <ochosi> well the window manager (xfwm4) draws the decorations if it's server-side decorations, but in this case Gnome Software (as most of gnome apps) uses client-side decorations (CSD) which are drawn by the toolkit instead
[22:21] <ochosi> but anyway, no bug there
[22:21] <jphilips> he mentioned "The contrast is appalling - soft gray on soft gray plus white."
[22:21] <jphilips> https://www.dedoimedo.com/images/computers-years/2019-2/xubuntu-ermine-software-repo-info.png
[22:21] <jphilips> he's not talking about the CSD
[22:22] <ochosi> a-ha, right, that may be some custom styles
[22:22] <ochosi> not sure about that
[22:23] <ochosi> you can check with gtk-inspector (aka Ctrl+Shift+d)
[22:25] <jphilips> shortcut didnt do anything
[22:26] <ochosi> depends on whether it's generally enabled
[22:26] <jphilips> software looks good quite nice in greybird-dark
[22:26] <ochosi> or whether something else "eats" the shortcut
[22:26] <jphilips> running the live iso
[22:26] <ochosi> in x11 every client can grab any key
[22:30] <jphilips> checked the shortcuts in keyboard and window manager and dont see anything assigned to that shortcut
[22:30] <jphilips> well if you ever get a chance to check it out, please do, else not a biggy
[22:33] <ochosi> what can i say, it works here
[22:34] <ochosi> https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show/Projects/GTK/Inspector?action=show&redirect=Projects%2FGTK%2B%2FInspector


[23:52] <asterismo> hi
[23:52] <asterismo> i have a question
[23:53] <asterismo> does anybody uses ubuntu-tablet?
[23:53] <asterismo> or irc channel for that?
[23:56] <asterismo> anyone?
[23:56] <asterismo> does anyone knows what apps are available in development version of ubuntu tablet?
[23:57] <asterismo> is there any music/video player? email client? and that kind of apps?