[14:27] <netritious> good morning
[14:27] <wrst> morning netritious
[14:27] <netritious> how's it going wrst
[14:29] <wrst> more like a monday but not terrible yet, how about you netritious?
[14:31] <netritious> not to bad wrst...a little disappointed that I couldn't get debian chroot'ed on my captivate glide :/
[14:32] <wrst> ha ha well if that's the worsre thing of the day... ;)
[14:32] <netritious> but there is still hope...haven't tried the SGS4 yet :)
[14:32] <wrst> netritious: have you ever had a nexus devices?
[14:32] <wrst> *device
[14:33] <netritious> no wrst I haven't. heard they're great though
[14:33] <wrst> so easy to tinker, but the lake of a SD card is a bummer
[14:33] <netritious> no SD card? how limiting
[14:33] <netritious> what about external USB?
[14:34] <wrst> it can be but a simple: 'fastboot oem unlock' to unlock the bootloader makes up for it :)
[14:34] <wrst> yes you can do external usb
[14:34] <wrst> the 32GB version doesn't limit me really so it works but still expandable storage just for media I would like
[14:35] <netritious> I keep reading things about KK disabling r/w for the user on sd, but i've had no problems with it. know anything about this wrst?
[14:36] <netritious> *external sd
[14:36] <wrst> it disables apps runnign from external sd, however samsung hacks it right back in
[14:36] <wrst> on my galaxy tab pro 8.4 I run most of the apps from the SD card without issue
[14:37] <wrst> actually samsung did a nice job on the last tablets they have put out or I think
[14:37] <wrst> touchwiz is much less a pig, its still a pig but I haven't rooted and installed a rom yet mainly because of apps on sd and the multitasking they do is really nice
[14:38] <netritious> everyone in my fam that has android uses samsung...not sure why. Probably what they push at the store.
[14:38] <wrst> it is and the hardware especially on the flagship models is good, I hear gripes about the plastic but I have always found them to be durable
[14:38] <wrst> more durable than the aluminum used on the fruit phones
[14:38] <wrst> their software I have had issues with
[14:39] <wrst> but its getting better
[14:39] <wrst> but stock andorid with apps on SD card and multiwindow mode would be my perfect setup but I can achieve most of it with touchwiz and some tweaking
[14:39] <wrst> haven't even rooted yet
[14:41] <netritious> only my phone and daughter's is rooted atm.
[14:41] <netritious> was to easy compared to rooting captivate glide
[14:42] <wrst> I haven't dealt witha Knox device yet that's one reason i haven't messed with my tablet
[14:42] <netritious> stupid easy compared to moto backflip
[14:42] <wrst> ha ha :)
[14:42] <wrst> the tools to root have become much more user friendly
[14:42] <wrst> on the nexus stuff I don't use a tool I just do it all with adb
[14:42] <wrst> its actually
[14:42] <wrst> but of course that is more or less by design
[14:45] <netritious> I ues odin in a pinch. haven't used adb since updating a recovery image on the glide cwmr
[14:46] <netritious> *to cwmr...that was a couple of years ago
[14:46] <netritious> runs twrp now
[14:48] <wrst> yeah I'm out of practice on odin anything
[14:49] <wrst> last time I used odin was to return my SIII back to stock before I sold it
[14:49] <netritious> have you ever checked out samsung kies wrst?
[14:49] <wrst> I have used that for something but can't remember what :)
[14:49] <wrst> I'm out of the loop on all things samsung
[14:49] <wrst> but will have to get back there I'm sure :)
[14:50] <netritious> it's just another PC-to-android interface from Samsung.
[14:51] <wrst> there is an open source odin I think I have used too
[14:51] <netritious> had to use it last year to recover the glide. accidentally looped it trying to install a ROM intended for /samsung captivate/ not /samsung captivate GLIDE/
[14:52] <wrst> yes I have done that a time or two but luckily on a nexus device
[14:54] <netritious> how's that handled with the nexus wrst?
[14:55] <wrst> all through cwm or twrp
[14:56] <wrst> if you want to go back to stock you just download the factory image, and run a script that comes in the tar.gz
[14:56] <netritious> very cool
[14:56] <wrst> that flashes bootloader and everything back to stock
[14:56] <wrst> you can flash roms with stock recovery also but its just easier with a custom recovery
[14:57] <wrst> but all of that is with adb, or fastboot actually
[14:57] <wrst> I guess fastboot is part of adb?
[14:57] <wrst> its a different command
[14:57] <wrst> I don't know as much as I should to tinker as much as I do :)
[14:57]  * netritious should probably know but doesn't
[14:57] <wrst> I tried out android L a month or so ago too
[14:57] <netritious> I try not to dig to deep into gnualikes
[14:58] <netritious> ^^just made that word up heh
[14:58] <wrst> ha ha :)
[14:59] <wrst> nothing wrong with "creative grammar"
[14:59] <wrst> we are in the south
[14:59] <netritious> gnualikes=OS that uses the Linux kernel, but not considered "Linux" in any traditional sense of the word
[15:00] <wrst> good term you shoudl copy right that
[15:00] <netritious> *2) uses Linux strictly for profit, usually in a very invasive way. See Google Android.
[15:01] <wrst> but you know, Linus Torvalds is perfectly ok with linux being used that way
[15:01] <wrst> he said that in a perfect situation people don't know what linux is in a system or something to that effect in reference to the success of android and the kernel
[15:01] <netritious> and I am too, but it's not meant to last
[15:01] <wrst> is anything meant to last? :)
[15:03] <netritious> nope.
[15:03] <wrst> oh have you tried ubuntu out on any of your phones?
[15:03] <wrst> the phone os not the desktop
[15:04] <wrst> last time I tried it I totally messed up the radio
[15:04] <wrst> not ubuntu's fault but trying to get it to work for data
[15:04] <netritious> you know, I haven't wrst. I would really like to turn one of my phones into an ubuntu console only phone heh...a PC, not a phone.
[15:05] <wrst> changed some apns, and well you have to dig deep and evidently to the level it interacts with the radio :)
[15:05] <wrst> I know :)
[15:05] <wrst> in theory its one in the same, but it isn't


[11:50] <mac_v> mat_t: hi... just an idea for the gdm > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Boot#Iteration%202%20[GDM]%20edit%20by%20mac_v
[11:51] <mac_v> not sure how far it is feasible though ;p
[11:51] <mat_t> mac_v: very cool, not really implementable with the current gdm codebase
[11:51] <mat_t> exactly :)
[11:51] <mat_t> mac_v: for Karmic all we're doing is applying a custom theme to the existing gdm
[11:52] <mat_t> and shuffling some buttons around
[11:52] <mac_v> mat_t: why did you drop your face browser idea?
[11:52] <mat_t> mac_v: we didn't drop it. There was just nobody to implement it yet :)
[11:53] <mac_v> mat_t: anyways... something for Karmic+1 , or LTS ;)
[11:53] <mat_t> mac_v: definitely!
[11:54] <thorwil> you 2 really make for tidy irc logs, with your nicks lining up like that ;)
[11:54] <mat_t> mac_v: would be cool if we could start a separate page for the face browser concepts
[11:54] <mat_t> thorwil: that's one of our primary goals, to make those logs look semi-decent at last
[11:54] <mat_t> ;P)
[11:55] <mac_v> mat_t: i thought of some other crazy ideas for gdm , but dropped them due to a11y reasons , but yeah a separate page would be nice
[11:55] <mac_v> thorwil: ;p
[11:55]  * mac_v breaks the log :(
[11:56] <thorwil> if ideas like mac_v's that can't be implemented, currently, are looked for, an extra page for that should be outside Karmic
[11:56] <mat_t> thorwil: correct
[11:58]  * mac_v suggests wil_t nic instead of thorwil
[11:59] <thorwil> mac_v: fail! it should be thor_w, then
[11:59] <mac_v> no , to match ours
[11:59] <thorwil> tho_w, actually
[12:00] <thorwil> mac_v: but my marketing department doesn't permit that. they claim any change of nick would diminish brand recognition
[12:01] <mac_v> thorwil: yeah :) very true
[12:04] <mac_v> thorwil: are you subscribed to wiki trivial edits too! 0.o that should be a lot of spam!
[12:04] <thorwil> mac_v: only when John Baer gets to work :)
[12:05] <mac_v> hehe... ;)
[12:06] <thorwil> mac_v: there are sneaky bastards like ckontros who sometimes try to sneak non-trivial edits by marking them trivial. but not with me, no sire!!
[12:06] <thorwil> mwuhahaha!
[12:07] <mac_v> hm... 0.o nice idea
[12:09] <thorwil> no seriously, you could never successfully monitor wiki changes without being notified for any and all edits
[12:11] <thorwil> luckily we have no vandalism. except mine :)
[12:12] <mac_v> dont worry , when Ubuntu picks up user volume , you have those too...
[12:12] <mac_v> ;)
[12:13] <thorwil> good thing ubuntu has no noteworthy user volume, yet, then! ;)
[12:18] <mac_v> thorwil: why hasnt someone ,in the community, started a glossy set of icons?
[12:18] <mac_v> is it against some rule?
[12:20] <thorwil> mac_v: how would i know why others don't do something like that?
[12:20] <mac_v> hehe, i was just wondering...
[12:20] <thorwil> mac_v: but there have been many glossy icons all over the place and there are not many serious icon efforts
[12:21] <mac_v> yeah
[14:46] <dashua> bzr branch lp:hanso
[14:46] <dashua> Any opinions please let me know ? :)
[15:48] <FLOZz> Hello all  _o/
[16:42] <mac_v> thorwil: i added the mailing list link for mr.doob , should i remove it? i feel if the link was available permanently we have too much noise on the list from non-contributors ... or is it ok?
[16:42] <mac_v> would have*
[16:46] <thorwil> mac_v: i don't think such a link will lead to more noise
[16:47] <mac_v> ok, i'll leave it :)
[17:04] <mac_v> SiDi: heya... whats up? still no network?
[17:07] <SiDi> mac_v: no, no internet, thats why i'm here
[17:08] <mac_v> SiDi: guessed so , that must be the only reason you've been quiet ;p
[17:09] <mac_v> SiDi: hows notify-osd for xfce coming?
[17:09] <mac_v> comming along*
[17:10] <mac_v> coming*
[17:10]  * mac_v  should stop correcting own typos , only leads to more typos!
[17:32] <mac_v> thorwil: could you move my gdm submission , to a relevant page, pls ,i want to add a couple of ideas, i usually mess up creating new wiki pages
[17:34] <mac_v> or if you created a gdm page , i could add it there.
[17:36] <thorwil> mac_v: oh common, creating a page is child's play and the rest just cut-paste
[17:36] <thorwil> mac_v: only question is the path for that new page
[17:36] <mac_v> wiki page , i usually give stupid labels , and wrong path :(
[17:37] <mac_v> cut and paste is not the problem
[17:37] <thorwil> mat_t: what do you think where new gdm ideas outside current cycle should end up?
[17:39] <thorwil> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Login?
[17:39] <thorwil> though i wonder if that really should be handled isolated from boot splash
[17:42] <mac_v> i had same confusion while submitting :/
[17:43] <thorwil> hmm?
[17:43] <mat_t> thorwil: How about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/3DFaceBrowd
[17:43] <mat_t> bugger
[17:43]  * mat_t tries again
[17:44] <mat_t> thorwil: How about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/3DFaceBrowser
[17:44] <mat_t> the idea is to have a custom built 3D accelerated interface
[17:44] <thorwil> mat_t: you want it to be all about 3DFaceBrowser, not generally what ever crazy people like mac_v might come up with? ;)
[17:44] <mat_t> probably clutter based
[17:45] <mac_v> hehe...
[17:45] <mat_t> thorwil: absolutely whatever :) What we need is an encouragement to really stretch people's creativity
[17:47] <thorwil> mat_t: i suggest "Login" to not even point to specific technology (GDM)
[17:47] <mat_t> thorwil: exactly
[17:47] <mac_v> thorwil: how about "GDM" ?
[17:47] <mac_v> ih crap!
[17:47] <thorwil> if the focus should also encompass boot splashes, it should be "Boot"
[17:48] <mat_t> thorwil: to me the artwork team should have two paralell tracks > ongoing work (something that can be implemented into the nearest release) and future-oriented, experimental work
[17:48] <mat_t> the latter should not be restricted by current implementation issues
[17:49] <thorwil> mat_t: the current wiki guidelines state that stuff that isn't targeted at a specific release goes into Incoming directly
[17:50] <thorwil> and there's https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Concepts for far out stuff
[17:50] <mat_t> cool
[17:51] <mat_t> not much there....
[17:52] <thorwil> mat_t: we have been rather discouraging of such efforts
[17:52] <mat_t> thorwil: ?
[17:53] <thorwil> mat_t: you see it quite often that someone puts quite a lot of work in some concept, ignoring most technical questions
[17:53] <thorwil> mat_t: sometimes some fans appear and cheer a bit
[17:54] <thorwil> mat_t: but there's never ever someone to implement anything
[17:54] <thorwil> mat_t: i do know the value of brainstorming and free creativity
[17:55] <thorwil> mat_t: but i'm also vary of wasting time. not only my own time
[17:55] <mat_t> thorwil: I see exactly what you mean
[17:55] <thorwil> mat_t: so if something is to happen there, it should be given structure from your side ;)
[17:55] <thorwil> mat_t: dinner time, bbl
[17:56] <mat_t> enjoy!
[18:04] <mac_v> thorwil: oops! my network-manager crashed , did you create a link?
[18:04] <mat_t> mac_v: how's the battery icon stuff? Did you try some other variants?
[18:05] <mac_v> mat_t: i tried to etch it in , but it will look almost the same so  , not sure what to do , do you have any ideas?
[18:06] <mat_t> mac_v: have you tried with a subtle gradient on the bolt?
[18:07] <mac_v> hmm... the prob is the bolt is narrow and any gradient just makes it loose its shape , since we have limited options
[18:23] <thorwil> mac_v: no, didn't
[18:24] <mac_v> thorwil: no probs , no hurry, someday when you find time you can create it and remind me :)
[18:25] <thorwil> mac_v: i talked with mat and had dinner, instead ;)
[18:26] <thorwil> mac_v: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Login
[18:26] <mac_v> ;) i had back to back crashes of different apps , now i have got some fun backtrace to do ;p
[18:26] <mac_v> ah, nice...
[18:27] <thorwil> mac_v: it can always be moved/renamed later, if the need arises
[18:27] <mac_v> sure , no probs
[18:27] <thorwil> mac_v: you should write an introduction to make clear that page is not just for your stuff
[18:28] <mac_v> ok
[18:28] <thorwil> mac_v: then you might want to talk with mat_t about bringing it up on the mailing list
[18:29] <mac_v> hehe, "my stuff"  ,
[18:29] <mac_v> Ah...mat , yeah will do ,
[18:30] <mac_v> thorwil: for now , i'll just move my stuff here , tomorrow i'll set it up properly , is that ok?
[18:31] <mac_v> or shall i do the copy paste tomorrow itself?
[18:32] <thorwil> mac_v: yes, ok
[18:32] <mac_v> thanks :)
[18:33] <thorwil> np


[00:00] <linaporras> so now we can end
[00:00] <linaporras> #endmeeting
[00:00] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 00:00:04 UTC.  Minutes at https://new.ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2021/ubuntu-meeting.2021-03-17-23.22.moin.txt
[00:00] <madhens> Thanks all! Oh, I do need to bring that tea I promised.   Thanks, everyone.  :)
[00:01] <madhens> Have a good night, all :)
[00:01] <toddy> thanks and see you :)
[00:01] <linaporras> I will update this in discourse as soon as I can have access... maybe on Friday or Saturday
[00:01] <linaporras> have a nice evening
[00:01]  * toddy falls into bed
[00:03] <wxl> aw jeez i get on the phone and miss everything :(
[00:04] <wxl> well teward filled in for me i guess
[00:05] <wxl> madhens: i'll add one more thing to the whole inclusive naming thing: perhaps a good place to start looking to improve things community wise is the CoC
[00:08] <madhens> wxl: Oooooh! I will be sure to add that.
[00:08] <wxl> madhens: i know we have some bug reports filed against it that probably should be addressed at some point anyways
[00:10] <madhens> Duly noted. Will add that to the community documentation action list. I am gonna get some noms, but thanks! If you think of anything else lemme know.
[00:12] <wxl> madhens: will do. enjoy noms :)
[00:14] <teward> madhens: Canonical owes me 20 grand, but i'll just leave it alone ;)  (just kidding!)
[00:14] <teward> (Canonical does not owe me 20 grand, that's the joke part)
[00:14] <teward> (#PoorSenseOfHumor)
[15:00] <rbalint> o/
[15:00] <JawnSmith> o/
[15:00] <dbungert> o/
[15:00] <mclemenceau> o/
[15:00] <juliank> o/
[15:00] <sil2100> o/
[15:01] <waveform> o/
[15:01] <xnox> is the meeting now, or in an hour, or an hour ago
[15:01] <mclemenceau> now indeed :)
[15:01] <sil2100> I guess it's now!
[15:01] <xnox> because american time
[15:02] <mclemenceau> #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team
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[15:02] <mclemenceau> #topic Lightning rounds
[15:02] <mclemenceau> echo $(shuf -e vorlon bdmurray xnox doko sil2100 rbalint mwhudson juliank waveform slyon jawnsmith dbungert)
[15:03] <mclemenceau> rbalint jawnsmith slyon waveform sil2100 doko xnox juliank mwhudson bdmurray vorlon dbungert
[15:03] <rbalint> (short week)
[15:03] <rbalint> * uploaded meld 3.20.3-1 via Debian
[15:03] <rbalint> * 360 reviews
[15:03] <rbalint> * uploaded systemd 247.3-2ubuntu1
[15:03] <rbalint> * uploaded glibc 2.33-0ubuntu4
[15:03] <rbalint> * helping systemd's and glibc's migration
[15:03] <rbalint> * running performance tests for glibc
[15:03] <rbalint> (done)
[15:03] <JawnSmith> * Proposed migration: python-pynvim
[15:03] <JawnSmith> * LP: #1903048 SRU pi400 bluetooth to focal
[15:03] <JawnSmith> * LP: #1912371 libftdi MIR and flashrom improvements for MIR
[15:03] <JawnSmith> * Raspberry pi kernel/gpio improvements/testing
[15:03] <JawnSmith> [done]
[15:04] <mclemenceau> slyon is out today, waveform, you're next
[15:04] <waveform> * Worked on gpiozero packaging for pypi, raspbian, and ubuntu
[15:04] <waveform> * Worked on lgpio issue under kernel 5.11 (missing config item)
[15:04] <waveform> * Testing new rpi-eeprom version
[15:04] <waveform> * Tested hiruste server and desktop images with KMS overlay
[15:04] <waveform> * Addressed review points for lg package (LP: #1916901)
[15:04] <waveform> * Testing new stuff with jawn-smith
[15:04] <waveform> * Pi meetings
[15:04] <waveform> (done)
[15:04] <sil2100> - Feeling a bit under the weather this week
[15:04] <sil2100> - SRU reviews and releases
[15:04] <sil2100> - needrestart MIR:
[15:04] <sil2100>   * Discussed with the MIR team and promoted all packages to main
[15:04] <sil2100>   * Continue looking at the armhf situation before pushing the change to Debian
[15:04] <sil2100> - Some final netplan reviews and merge of the final PR before release
[15:04] <sil2100> - 360
[15:04] <sil2100> - Discussions with the HWE team about some AA NEW reviews
[15:04] <sil2100> - Discussions about the 20.04.3 point-release date
[15:04] <sil2100> - ESM britney:
[15:04] <sil2100>   * Worked around the issues with the unit-test suite for mocking the swiftclient module
[15:04] <sil2100>   * Wrote some basic tests for functionality, fixed detected bugs
[15:04] <sil2100>   * Prepared the autopkgtest-cloud portion, rebasing on latest version
[15:04] <sil2100>   * Prepared draft MPs
[15:05] <sil2100>   * Looking into SSO support
[15:05] <sil2100> - Looked into some core18 snaps getting blocked in moderation
[15:05] <sil2100> (done)
[15:05] <mclemenceau> doko doesn't seem to be around, xnox?
[15:05] <doko> ohh, American summer, Texans don't freeze anymore ...
[15:06] <mclemenceau> ahah
[15:06] <xnox> doko:  your turn? or should I?
[15:06] <doko> no, go, I'm not yet prepared
[15:06] <xnox> riscv64: early feedback of hangs with my hand built unmatched image, investigating. Otherwise the first round of the new unmatched patches have been accepted into ubuntu kernels, there should be riscv upload soon.
[15:06] <xnox> prepared grub2 sru fixups to make things installable, and migratable.
[15:06] <xnox> shim: building new snapshot, it is still a bit shim-shaped.
[15:07] <xnox> followed up on my last weeks tasks.... almost all of them.
[15:07] <xnox> done
[15:07] <juliank> * New APT microrelease SRUs uploaded to groovy, focal, bionic. Tons of bugs fixed. Waiting in unapproved.
[15:07] <juliank> * changed cron, anacron to inherit PATH (LP: #1779767)
[15:07] <juliank> * 360 review
[15:07] <juliank> * off yesterday
[15:07] <juliank> (done)
[15:07] <mclemenceau> bdmurray is out, mwhudson is asleep, vorlon?
[15:07] <vorlon>  * last week: out
[15:07] <vorlon>  * this week:
[15:07] <vorlon>   * catching up on email
[15:07] <vorlon>   * 360 reviews
[15:07] <vorlon>   * archive cleanup now that we're in freeze: NBS, uninstallables, out-of-date binaries
[15:07] <vorlon> (done)
[15:07] <dbungert> * LP: #1918456 - armhf test failure due to sizeof(long int) != 8, fixed,
[15:08] <dbungert>   upstream PR open, and sponsored (thanks cpaelzer)
[15:08] <dbungert> * LP: #1918848 - fixed in maintainer script, upstream PR merged, and sponsored
[15:08] <dbungert>   (thanks mwhudson).  Upstream also manages the Debian packaging, so it is
[15:08] <dbungert>   effectively Debian upstreamed as well.
[15:08] <dbungert> * LP: #1717584 - MP open, but after discovery that systemd just treats passno
[15:08] <dbungert>   as a boolean, we're considering a policy of just assigning a passno of 1
[15:08] <dbungert>   unless caller overrides.
[15:08] <dbungert> * Subiquity - enable selection of updates during install thru API - started
[15:08] <dbungert> (done)
[15:08] <mclemenceau> doko: reaady now?
[15:08] <doko> no, sorry
[15:09] <mclemenceau> Ok doko, we can do that during AOB
[15:09] <mclemenceau> #topic Release incoming bugs (hirsute)
[15:09] <mclemenceau> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-hh-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:10] <mclemenceau> bug 1919395
[15:13] <xnox> to blocklist or to drop provides
[15:13] <xnox> that is the question
[15:13] <xnox> cause we don't have time to fix it
[15:13] <xnox> like properly
[15:13] <xnox> (unless upstream will)
[15:13] <vorlon> nor is it something we should invest in, it's not the networking solution integrated in Ubuntu
[15:14] <xnox> yeah that.
[15:14] <xnox> will retitle to RM
[15:14] <mclemenceau> should we card this to make sure we take action on this?
[15:15] <xnox> no card, it will be in the AA queue
[15:15] <mclemenceau> Ok
[15:15] <mclemenceau> next bug 1896186
[15:17] <mclemenceau> low priority removed the tag
[15:17] <mclemenceau> next
[15:17] <mclemenceau> bug 1918740
[15:17] <xnox> hm
[15:18] <mclemenceau> Looks like rbalint already uploaded a fix
[15:18] <rbalint> yes
[15:18] <mclemenceau> last for hh bug 1842047
[15:19] <xnox> but they normally do.....
[15:19] <xnox> there are seeds to seed the right slideshow
[15:19] <xnox> oh during oem-config
[15:20] <xnox> so there is no logic when preparing oem-config to install the right flavour slideshow
[15:20] <xnox> so we should probably substitute $flavor when isntalling slideshow package & oem-config package into target.
[15:21] <vorlon> do we think that should be release-targeted, though? has this ever worked?
[15:22] <sil2100> This is more like a feature request to me! (though I know probably by principle this should have just worked)
[15:23] <xnox> rls-hh-notfixing & wishlist
[15:24] <mclemenceau> thx xnox
[15:24] <mclemenceau> on to groovy now
[15:24] <mclemenceau> #topic Release incoming bugs (groovy)
[15:24] <mclemenceau> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:24] <mclemenceau> one bug 1904271
[15:24] <mclemenceau> we've talked about this one before, moving one
[15:24] <mclemenceau> #topic Release incoming bugs (focal)
[15:25] <mclemenceau> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:25] <juliank> empty! :D
[15:25] <mclemenceau> wow ... 0 foundations-bug
[15:25] <mclemenceau> \o/
[15:26] <mclemenceau> Ok moving on to proposed migration
[15:26] <mclemenceau> #topic Team proposed-migration report
[15:26] <mclemenceau> #link http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs
[15:27] <mclemenceau> vorlon you're up!
[15:27] <vorlon> first on the list is pexpect, which was discussed last week as having a related launchpad buildd bug report
[15:28] <vorlon> anyway, is assigned to bdmurray
[15:28] <mclemenceau> bdmurray mentioned this bug related to this 1820348
[15:28] <vorlon> gnupg2: looks like it just migrated
[15:28] <vorlon> LP: #1820348
[15:28] <vorlon> ok
[15:29] <vorlon> binutils vs lintian - was someone looking at this before? doko?
[15:30] <vorlon> ok this is xnox
[15:30] <vorlon> sphinx?  is this what doko was referring to last week as "the libgnat ABI break"?
[15:31] <doko> yes, these are fixed, the remaining one is unrelated
[15:31] <vorlon> ok
[15:31] <vorlon> do you want to keep it or pass it on?
[15:31] <vorlon> looks like a timing thing on the testbed
[15:32] <doko> ok
[15:32] <doko> keep it
[15:32] <vorlon> ok
[15:32] <vorlon> initramfs-tools
[15:33] <vorlon> waveform: was this still with you?
[15:33] <xnox> yes with me
[15:33] <xnox> (to sponsor stuff)
[15:33] <vorlon> ok
[15:33] <vorlon> glibc
[15:33] <vorlon> rbalint: any help needed there?
[15:34] <vorlon> I'll assume this is primarily rbalint, with others whacking autopkgtest failures as needed
[15:35] <rbalint> no all of those regressed in archive
[15:35] <rbalint> have hints for many of those just need merging
[15:35] <rbalint> will fix a few
[15:35] <vorlon> rbalint: do you have a link for an MP?
[15:36] <rbalint> https://code.launchpad.net/~rbalint/britney/+git/hints-ubuntu/+merge/398293
[15:36] <vorlon> thanks
[15:36] <vorlon> and then the rest are new and can be ignored until next week
[15:36] <vorlon> mclemenceau:
[15:36] <rbalint> there will be more in a few hours
[15:36] <mclemenceau> thx
[15:37] <mclemenceau> #topic AOB
[15:37] <mclemenceau> doko, do you want to paste your status now?
[15:37] <rbalint> also open-iscsi is being fixed by paelzer
[15:37] <doko> mom
[15:37] <doko> - only a tiny bit of +1 maintenance
[15:37] <doko> - a sick day
[15:37] <doko> - trying to limit the gcc-11 build to 50GB disk space or less, breaking the build in various other ways ...
[15:37] <doko> - OpenJDK 16 release, preparing focal and groovy updates
[15:37] <doko> - LLVM 12 fix, and making 12 the default
[15:37] <doko> - distro NEW source reviews
[15:37] <doko> - 360s
[15:37] <doko> (done)
[15:37] <mclemenceau> thx!
[15:37] <xnox> lastpass alternatives welcome....
[15:38] <mclemenceau> I need someone from Foundations for +1 next week ...
[15:38] <rbalint> vorlon, i also have removal requests for some of the packages blocking glibc but those are expected to be processes in batches by ubuntu-archive afaik
[15:38] <vorlon> ok
[15:39] <vorlon> (but not quickly enough for unblocking transitions unless you ping, which you've now done, so I'll look)
[15:40] <rbalint> i'd jump in for a later week because i expect work with new systemd upstream
[15:41] <cpaelzer> rbalint: well I need to wait for x86 builders to have results - but open-iscsi will be fixed soon
[15:45] <mclemenceau> Thanks everyone!
[15:45] <vorlon> thanks!
[15:45] <mclemenceau> #endmeeting
[15:45] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 15:45:44 UTC.  Minutes at https://new.ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2021/ubuntu-meeting.2021-03-18-15.02.moin.txt
[15:45] <rbalint> o/
[15:51] <sil2100> o/


[14:46] <wxl> omg i actually did something right with ubottu
[14:47] <wxl> i found the sed syntax in ze code
[14:47] <wxl> AND IT WORKED WHEN I USED IT
[14:47]  * wxl skips all the way home
[15:01] <Pici> huzzah


[21:54] <acheronuk> plasma testers. hopefully 5.12.1 should be ready before I go ZZzz... tonight
[22:10] <valorie> ooooooo
[22:10] <valorie> I'm there for ya!
[22:12] <acheronuk> copying to staging ppa now. will take a while to publish. plus may need one or 2 more uploads if there are QA fixes
[22:12] <acheronuk> but 95% done at least
[22:14] <valorie> \o/
[22:15] <valorie> 6 weeks ago I was feeling rather bad about the state of the LTS
[22:15] <valorie> but now feeling rather hopeful
 (Photo, 720x1112) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/sbYEGccS/file_4575.jpg
 Fwd from jriddell: quick! vote in the ask noah show so Mint don't beat us! https://strawpoll.com/gdd2berp
 LOL
[22:18] <valorie> Error: You already voted on this poll.
[22:18] <valorie> lol
 lol
[22:19] <valorie> neon was ahead when I voted....
 yeah. Mint must have mobilised some troops!
[22:21] <valorie> straw polls are silly
[22:21] <valorie> also: fun
 Right
 asknoahshow.com in ~ 1.5 hours!
 (note: I'm employed by Altispeed which runs the Ask Noah Show, I'm biased!)
[22:42] <acheronuk> valorie mparillo etc. plasma 5.12.1 now in ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging-plasma for Artful and Bionic
[22:42] <acheronuk> I will be copying to backports-landing shortly, where FW 5.43 is already sitting
 wfm
[23:28] <mparillo> I know I have a VM with backports-landing.
[23:55] <valorie> I can test it when it gets to backports landing so I get everything all together


[04:20] <ErichEickmeyer> Just started the initial fork to create ubuntustudio-welcome: https://github.com/eeickmeyer/ubuntustudio-welcome
[04:20] <ErichEickmeyer> Anybody who wants to, feel free to jump right in.
[04:21] <krytarik> Why not on LP though?
[04:21] <ErichEickmeyer> Because ubuntu-mate-welcome was on github.
[04:29] <ErichEickmeyer> Or, maybe I'm doing something wrong. *sigh* I'm not familiar with bzr enough, but I can get my way around git.
[04:30] <OvenWerks> LP does git too these days
[04:30] <ErichEickmeyer> *sigh* I'll move it. ...
[04:30] <OvenWerks> sigh...
[04:31] <OvenWerks> git on lp is a bit different too, you may wish to leave it on github
[04:32] <ErichEickmeyer> Then I'll do that. I can't figure out how to do it anyway.
[04:33] <ErichEickmeyer> We can migrate it later.
[05:03] <ErichEickmeyer> Migrated: https://code.launchpad.net/~eeickmeyer/ubuntustudio/+git/ubuntustudio-welcome
[05:15] <OvenWerks> wow that was quick
[05:15] <OvenWerks> I'll look at it tomorrow... if I don't sleep all day after having to get up at 4am...
[05:31] <ErichEickmeyer> Actually, not migrated. Mirrored. I deleted it.
[05:34] <ErichEickmeyer> And now it's back.


[06:45] <didrocks> good morning
[07:03] <seb128> goood morning desktopers!
[07:04] <didrocks> salut seb128, bon week-end?
[07:04] <seb128> didrocks, oui, reposant, merci. Et vous ?
[07:04] <duflu> Hi didrocks and seb128
[07:04] <didrocks> ça va, rien de spécial :p
[07:04] <didrocks> hey duflu
[07:07] <seb128> hey duflu, how are you?
[07:07] <duflu> seb128, not great. Got a sinus headache and the weekend was partly lost on emergency plumbing repairs. How are you?
[07:08] <seb128> :(
[07:09] <seb128> I'm alright, we had a relaxing weekend and no sick kid or teacher today so I might have a day where I'm able to properly focus on $things :)
[07:09] <duflu> Great!
[07:21] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[07:27] <seb128> so, release week. Do we have any issue anyone is concerned about?
[07:27] <seb128> lut oSoMoN, en forme ? bon weekend ?
[07:31] <oSoMoN> seb128, week-end malade, ce matin ça à l’air d’aller mieux. Et toi?
[07:31] <oSoMoN> I'll be doing ISO testing today
[07:31] <seb128> oSoMoN, :-(
[07:31] <seb128> oSoMoN, ici ca va
[07:32] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN, au moins, tes anti-corps sont au top pour le sprint :)
[07:33] <oSoMoN> didrocks, effectivement, je serai en pleine forme pour dans 15 jours :)
[07:37] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN
[07:37] <ricotz> hello desktoppers and happy release week :)
[07:38] <oSoMoN> hi duflu, ricotz
[07:40] <didrocks> hey ricotz
[09:57] <KGB-2> glib Philip Withnall 343247 * commented merge request !20 * https://deb.li/3exP2
[10:57] <KGB-0> mutter signed tags 4702717 Jeremy Bicha ubuntu/43.0-1ubuntu3 * mutter Debian release 43.0-1ubuntu3 * https://deb.li/3wxJh
[10:57] <KGB-0> mutter ubuntu/master 2db92ec Jeremy Bicha debian/patches/ (6 files) * Cherry-pick patches to avoid crash when ICC color profile is invalid * https://deb.li/itJpc
[10:57] <KGB-0> mutter ubuntu/master e1e2d7d Jeremy Bicha debian/changelog * releasing package mutter version 43.0-1ubuntu3 * https://deb.li/iiqC
[11:02] <jbicha> good morning
[11:09] <cnihelton> good morning!!!
[11:13] <seb128> hey jbicha, how are you?
[11:13] <seb128> hey cnihelton!
[11:29] <seb128> jbicha, could you try to cherry pick https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/tracker-miners/-/merge_requests/419 and get that it if possible? that's one of the most reported error on kinetic
[11:29] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Merge 419 in GNOME/tracker-miners "seccomp: Allow epoll_create1()" [Merged]
[11:29] <seb128> bug #1990630 is the corresponding launchpad bug
[11:29] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Bug 1990630 in tracker-miners (Ubuntu) "tracker-extract-3 crashed with signal 31 in __GI_epoll_create1()" [High, Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1990630
[11:30] <KGB-2> glib Laurent Bigonville 343256 * commented merge request !20 * https://deb.li/3p5M0
[11:32] <jbicha> seb128: working on it
[11:32] <seb128> jbicha, thanks!
[11:49] <seb128> is gnome-online-account working to add a google-canonical-managed account for anyone?
[11:49] <seb128> it's not working from the initial setup for me, just return to the list
[11:50] <seb128> nor from the settings, it makes g-c-c freeze and trigger 'do you want to stop it now' dialog
[11:54] <KGB-0> tracker-miners ubuntu/kinetic b31ea53 Jeremy Bicha debian/patches/ series seccomp-Allow-epoll_create1.patch * Cherry-pick patch to add epoll_create1 to the sandbox whitelist * https://deb.li/3CtSi
[11:54] <KGB-0> tracker-miners ubuntu/kinetic 586f8a7 Jeremy Bicha debian/gbp.conf * Update Vcs fields * https://deb.li/op20
[11:54] <KGB-0> tracker-miners ubuntu/kinetic 25e6741 Jeremy Bicha debian/ changelog control control.in * releasing package tracker-miners version 3.4.0-1ubuntu1 * https://deb.li/36S92
[11:54] <KGB-0> tracker-miners signed tags 5817df0 Jeremy Bicha ubuntu/3.4.0-1ubuntu1 * tracker-miners Debian release 3.4.0-1ubuntu1 * https://deb.li/OpZV
[17:58] <KGB-2> gnome-desktop Jeremy Bicha 343312 * commented merge request !4 * https://deb.li/ijukV
[18:02] <KGB-0> gnome-desktop signed tags 0b51f29 Jeremy Bicha ubuntu/42.5-0ubuntu1 * gnome-desktop Debian release 42.5-0ubuntu1 * https://deb.li/3rWTG
[18:02] <KGB-0> gnome-desktop ubuntu/jammy ae90fc6 Jeremy Bicha debian/changelog * releasing package gnome-desktop version 42.5-0ubuntu1 * https://deb.li/3MCOy
[18:05] <KGB-2> mozjs signed tags f92e9aa Jeremy Bicha upstream/102.4.0 * Upstream version 102.4.0 * https://deb.li/ICfd
[18:05] <KGB-0> mozjs signed tags f92e9aa Jeremy Bicha upstream/102.4.0 * Upstream version 102.4.0 * https://deb.li/ICfd
[18:05] <KGB-0> mozjs upstream/102 b5139ba Jeremy Bicha (8 files in 6 dirs) * New upstream version 102.4.0 * https://deb.li/3e53V
[18:07] <KGB-2> mozjs pristine-tar faa4aeb Jeremy Bicha mozjs102_102.4.0.orig.tar.xz.delta mozjs102_102.4.0.orig.tar.xz.id * pristine-tar data for mozjs102_102.4.0.orig.tar.xz * https://deb.li/3k1B1
[18:24] <KGB-0> glib Laurent Bigonville 343315 * commented merge request !20 * https://deb.li/3jWME
[18:29] <KGB-2> glib Simon McVittie 343317 * commented merge request !20 * https://deb.li/3BCjI
[19:06] <KGB-0> mutter ubuntu/jammy 2eb23d8 Jeremy Bicha debian/changelog * releasing package mutter version 42.5-0ubuntu1 * https://deb.li/DNRx


[02:35] <RAOF> mlankhorst: Yeah, I've actually been developing against trunk (when priorities allow), so I don't so much need to port to 1.16 as to create a proper debian patch.
[02:35] <RAOF> mlankhorst: Some of the awful xorg hacks will remain, but fewer of them :)
[07:38] <mlankhorst> RAOF: what about server supplied fd's? there's support for that now :P
[07:38] <RAOF> Server supplied fds, ie: DRI3 / Present?
[07:40] <mlankhorst> yeah
[07:41] <RAOF> I was hoping to not bother about that.
[07:43] <jcristau> i thought server supplied fds were really logind-supplied fds, ie the thing that lets you get input without being root
[07:43] <jcristau> am i confusing it with something else?
[07:43] <mlankhorst> yeah but iirc mir needs to supply fd's too
[07:43] <RAOF> Oh, I can totally do that.
[07:44] <RAOF> And by “do that”, I mean, “Use Mir's input, so we don't have to do that at all”
[07:44] <mlankhorst> but I'm rewriting the xkbcomp caching patch, tad annoying. :P
[07:45] <mlankhorst> after that I'll throw up a mirless 1.16 in x-staging
[07:45] <RAOF> Hm. Didn't equivalent functionality land upstream? Why doesn't it just get dropped?
[07:45] <mlankhorst> Did it? not as far as I'm aware of..
[07:48] <RAOF> Hm, maybe it didn't.
[07:48] <RAOF> I wonder why I thought it did.
[07:53] <mlankhorst> looks like I need to get libepoxy MIR'd too :(
[07:57] <RAOF> Woot!