[00:06] <powersurge> hey, I"m frequently getting disconnects/reconnects
[00:06] <powersurge> is this something I should worry about or is it just that the server is under load/similar
[00:06] <powersurge> ?
[00:07] <powersurge> anyone around?
[00:13] <powersurge> is no one around?
[00:13] <powersurge> that's a bit frustrating, although I guess you guys are in another part of the world
[03:13] <rubyplusplus> How can you use ubuntuone in kubuntu?
[06:46] <rye> morning
[06:47] <rye> re: disconnect/reconnect mentioned earlier - we are aware about this and we are going to roll out the changes today that should improve the state of things.
[08:37] <JamesTait> Good morning all!
[08:49] <karni> Morning all :)
[09:29] <ralsina> good morning!
[09:39] <mandel> ralsina, buenos dias!!
[09:39] <mandel> ralsina, troll, hehehe
[09:39] <mandel> ralsina, did you read my idea for the japanese username?
[09:40] <ralsina> trollolololo mandel!
[09:40] <mandel> ralsina, hehehe
[09:40] <ralsina> mandel: still catching up with email
[09:41] <mandel> ralsina, ok, let me know when you get to mine, I think is a good compromise to use the correct funtion according to the os without doing anything too crazy
[09:41] <ralsina> mandel: are we preferring to use ctypes now?
[09:42] <ralsina> the main problem with ctypes is that the magic constants are not defined :-/
[09:46] <mandel> ralsina, indeed, le me check if something similar can be used win the win32 extensions, that is, that the new function is present
[09:47] <ralsina> mandel: you can using hasattr, but that is probably evil, so maybe... try.except?
[09:47] <mandel> ralsina, if that is the case we can use it with no problem what so ever, anyways, I'm more interested in what you think regarding the idea of checking the presence of the function
[09:48] <ralsina> Honestly? I think we can just use the XP function
[09:48] <ralsina> It's not going to go away. Maybe check that it still exists on W8 :-)
[09:49] <mandel> ralsina, it wont go away, but I see more logical to use the recomended no deprecated one, is saver
[09:49] <mandel> ralsina, and if they ever remove it (which they might do) we are sure that no weird bugs will appear because of that
[09:49] <mandel> ralsina, and I prefer to use getattr, is saver, right?
[09:50] <gatox> hi everyone
[09:53] <mandel> ralsina, nevertheless I'm looking at the implementation of the os.path.expand user in ntpath.py and is crap, I'm going to write the same using ctypes and will ask someone if there is a way to put this in python itself
[09:54] <ralsina> mandel: file a bug into stdlib, become a core contributor, get fame and money?
[09:56] <mandel> ralsina, I'm on it, hehehe
[09:56] <mandel> ralsina, I just tested that from win32com import shell
[09:56] <mandel> shell.SHGetKnownFolderPath is broken :(
[09:57] <ralsina> really?
[09:57] <mandel> so if we wanted to use the correct one, we have to use ctypes
[09:57] <ralsina> Wait, didn't alecu try that? Or is that the new one?
[09:58] <mandel> ralsina, that is the new one: http://paste.ubuntu.com/711804/
[09:58] <ralsina> Ok, so another bug for win32com, I suppose
[09:58] <ralsina> or win32 or whatever it's called
[09:58] <mandel> ralsina, is the same but with the Known, so you have SHGetFolderPath and  SHGetKnownFolderPath
[09:58] <ralsina> right
[09:59] <ralsina> we are also using SHGetFolderPath in another place in sso, in the xdg implementation, IIRC
[09:59] <mandel> ralsina, yeah.. canonical is goign to be a great python on win contributor hahahaha
[09:59] <mandel> ralsina, and in default folders too
[09:59] <ralsina> So it deserves being factored away
[09:59] <mandel> ralsina, true, we shoud get a nice wrapper that choose the correct one
[10:00] <ralsina> Right. BTW, do you have a MSDN?
[10:00] <ralsina> If you do, please setup a Vista VM because we have *one* vista-specific bug ;-)
[10:01] <mandel> ralsina, I do, I'll set up a vista vm then..
[10:01] <diverse_izzue> hi all, what's new with U1 in oneiric?
[10:01] <mandel> ralsina, I knew this type of things would happen as soon as we supported windows :(
[10:01] <ralsina> mandel: it's a bug in bitrock's autoupdater, I think, but we need to test it and report it anyway :-/
[10:02] <ralsina> mandel: just you wait for the gentoo bugs! (just kidding ;-)
[10:02] <ralsina> mandel: version-specific bugs? We have a XP one too
[10:03] <mandel> ralsina, I do have an XP vm set :)
[10:03] <ralsina> mandel: I handled that one already :-)
[10:04] <ralsina> diverse_izzue: not much new, actually
[10:05] <ralsina> diverse_izzue: we are releasing the good stuff in pangolin
[10:05] <rye> ralsina, and, hopefully the fixes for regression in Oneiric?
[10:05] <ralsina> rye: indeed
[10:05] <ralsina> rye: we have that as one of the priorities for the next 6 months
[10:08] <diverse_izzue> ralsina, so what's the good stuff to come? :-)
[10:08] <ralsina> diverse_izzue: well, proxy support is the big one I know I can talk about ;-)
[10:09] <diverse_izzue> hmmm, probably good for an LTS, it's the big companies which insist on using proxies...
[10:10] <ralsina> actually, since this is a sync product, anyone that works at most places needs it :-(
[10:10] <ralsina> Since not having it means there is one device that's unreachable and unsyncable
[10:11] <diverse_izzue> right
[10:11] <diverse_izzue> anyway, my personal u1 oneiric feature is basically that it just works without ever bothering me
[10:13] <diverse_izzue> ralsina, any work planned to robustness for big files, i.e. the possibility to resume a partial upload?
[10:13] <diverse_izzue> many people have slow upstreams
[10:14] <ralsina> diverse_izzue: including me. It's been mentioned but I don't know of any concrete plans right now.
[10:17] <rye> diverse_izzue, resumable uploads are actually implemented, but currently it is broken in oneiric, this is a regression, which we are going to fix. We don't have plans to implement delta uploads (i.e. only changed portions of the files)
[10:18] <gatox> ralsina, do you want to review this branch? https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-client/pep8-fixes/+merge/79438
[10:18] <gatox> it only contains pep8 fixes....
[10:18] <gatox> (but a lot)
[10:18] <ralsina> diverse_izzue: what rye said!
[10:18] <ralsina> gatox: I will queue it up but my day is kinda full today :-/
[10:19] <gatox> ralsina,  no problem.... i can ask another one
[10:19] <gatox> for example...... mandel do you want to review it? :P https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-client/pep8-fixes/+merge/79438
[10:19] <gatox> only pep8 fixes
[10:20] <mandel> gatox, sure
[10:20] <gatox> mandel, thanks
[10:21] <mandel> np
[10:22] <diverse_izzue> rye, what's the argument against delta uploads? high server load for calculating checksums?
[10:34] <rye> diverse_izzue, i guess you will want to talk to chicharra team (facundo, verterok). But as I recall this is not something that is easily implementable at the current stage.
[10:36] <facundobatista> diverse_izzue, yes, we'd need to change the model of the upload, we have it in our future, not in the near one
[10:36] <facundobatista> Hola rye
[10:47] <mandel> ralsina, gatox after playing with ctypes a little and the windows api, this works: http://www.themacaque.com/?p=954
[10:47] <mandel> facundobatista, if you can read that ^ and let me know if its a good idea to send a patch to python I'd greatly appreciate it :P
[10:48] <gatox> mandel, great!!!!!
[10:48] <gatox> mandel, that solved the unicode path problem?
[10:48] <gatox> completely?
[10:49] <ralsina> yikes about the guID
[10:49] <mandel> gatox, yes, it will get you the unicode for ~ and will use the correct function in XP and Vista and later :)
[10:49] <mandel> ralsina, yes, it was a PITA to find the GUID :(
[10:49] <mandel> gatox, most borring review EVER done: https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-client/pep8-fixes/+merge/79438
[10:50] <gatox> mandel, jejjjeje told you
[10:50] <mandel> ralsina, ok, so we have the code to use the other function, we can later decide if we use it or not, at least we know it works :)
[10:51] <ralsina> mandel: agreed
[10:52] <mandel> ralsina, I'm moving to do some serious bug fixing and propose auto-update in control panel then
[10:52] <mandel> and I hope I'm not writting more ctypes code for today :)
[10:52] <ralsina> mandel: cool
[10:55] <ralsina> ok, gotta take the kid to school, will be back in a while
[10:57] <facundobatista> mandel, you should at least open a bug... but there's a risk in adding ctypes stuff (that is very picky with architectures) replacing a environment variable usage
[10:57] <facundobatista> mandel, yes, the environment is wrong, but that's a windows bug
[10:58] <facundobatista> mandel, maybe accessing a windows API? anyway, you should at least open the bug
[10:58] <facundobatista> (and show your code as a way of solving it)
[10:58] <facundobatista> mandel, ah, btw, puto windows!
[10:58] <mandel> facundobatista, ok, I'll do that then :)
[10:59] <mandel> facundobatista, hahaha is a terrible platform
[11:35]  * mandel walks dog
[11:53] <nessita> good morning!
[11:54] <gatox> nessita, hi
[11:54] <nessita> hi gatox. Branches? :-)
[11:55] <nessita> gatox: besides the connect one, I have that in my radar
[11:56] <gatox> nessita, yes, both of network and the one for connect.... i've merged with trunk all my branches and run pep8 and u1lint in every one of them... so they shouldn't have any issues
[11:57] <nessita> gatox: nice!
[11:57] <gatox> nessita, https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-windows-installer/connect-files/+merge/79611  -  https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-windows-installer/network-detect/+merge/77049  -  https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntu-sso-client/network-detect/+merge/77048
[12:00] <gord> is it a bug that when i have a lot of files to sync, that the one i reeeally wanted always seems to be at the end of the queue? ;)
[12:13] <nessita> gord: heh... no :-)
[12:35] <mandel> ok, I'm of for lunch, see you at the stand up :)
[12:37] <mandel> nessita, FYI I'm still downloading vista from msdn to check https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/875283
[12:37] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 875283 in ubuntuone-client "Update error (affects: 1) (heat: 462)" [Undecided,New]
[12:37] <nessita> mandel: ack
[12:37] <nessita> mandel: did you fixed the 2 branches I approved yesterday?
[12:39] <mandel> nessita, yes, I need to push the changes, I got  little caught with how to expanduser with the newer API and wrote an example with it (I lost A LOT of time looking for the GUID)
[12:40] <nessita> mandel: but that was gatox work...
[12:41] <mandel> nessita, yes.. sorry I got carried out..
[12:42] <ralsina> mandel looooooves playing around with the windows api, even if he denies it.
[12:42] <ralsina> and good morning nessita!
[12:42] <nessita> hi ralsina
[12:44] <mandel> ralsina, I was really interested, I admit it, but wont happen again
[12:44]  * mandel really goes to lunch now
[12:48] <Chipaca> davidcalle: ping
[12:48] <davidcalle> Chipaca, pong
[12:48] <Chipaca> davidcalle: hi there. Got a few minutes?
[12:48] <davidcalle> Chipaca, sure
[12:55] <ralsina> mandel, dobey, alecu, nessita, gatox: standup in 5'
[12:55] <gatox> ralsina, ack
[13:00] <mandel> me
[13:00] <dobey> oi
[13:01] <nessita> me
[13:01] <Chipaca> ralsina: i need you to set apart some time in orlando to talk with davidcalle, please
[13:01] <ralsina> Chipaca: I will
[13:01] <Chipaca> ralsina: thank you
[13:02] <gatox> me
[13:02] <ralsina> davidcalle: how about monday? :-)
[13:02] <ralsina> me
[13:02] <davidcalle> ralsina, ok for monday :)
[13:03] <ralsina> davidcalle: cool, I am the fat bearded guy with a strange t-shirt. Can't miss me!
[13:03] <Chipaca> woops, sorry for interrupting the standup
[13:03]  * Chipaca wasn't paying attention
[13:03] <ralsina> davidcalle: ok, I'll be more specific later on ;-)
[13:03] <nessita> mandel: go!
[13:04] <davidcalle> ralsina, really tall guy going bald, can't miss me either.
[13:04] <mandel> me
[13:04] <ralsina> davidcalle: we have three of you in OLS already :-)
[13:04] <dobey> mandel: you were first. go
[13:05] <nessita> dobey: go!
[13:05] <dobey> ralsina: you do realize it's UDS right? there will be multiple fat bearded guys with strange t-shirts
[13:05] <dobey> nessita: mandel was first :)
[13:05] <ralsina> dobey: thus the effectivity of the joke
[13:05] <nessita> dobey: yeah, but he may be on his mobile
[13:05] <nessita> dobey: which may take a while to get the standup typed in
[13:06] <dobey> λ DONE: some fighting with banshee
[13:06] <dobey> λ TODO: finish bug #872972, bug #467397?, schedule holiday
[13:06] <dobey> λ BLCK: banshee has a weird race.
[13:06] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 872972 in libubuntuone (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Store URLs have to wait for main page to load (affects: 1) (heat: 38)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/872972
[13:06] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 467397 in python2.6 (Ubuntu) (and 6 other projects) "KeyError: 'ROUND_CEiLiNG' when using turkish locale (affects: 16) (dups: 9) (heat: 108)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/467397
[13:06] <mandel> DONE: fixedcodefrom my MP, stolen work from gatox and look how to use the recommended API to get the user profile on Windows. Reported bug to python. Started settin vista vm. TODO: push changes to MPs. Install all required debug tools on Vista. Propose autoupdate code off control panel. BLOCKED: no
[13:06] <dobey> nessita: go
[13:06] <nessita> DONE: catch up with emails and bug reports, debug syncdaemon not working on windows
[13:06] <nessita> TODO: catch up with big refactor branches to have u1sdtool working on windows
[13:06] <nessita> BLOCKED: nopes
[13:06] <nessita> NEXT: gatox
[13:06] <gatox> DONE:
[13:06] <gatox> Fully migrate to 11.10, fix some branches, start working on some ui bugs, mumble with alecu and nessita about expanduser.
[13:06] <gatox> TODO:
[13:06] <gatox> Keep working on UI bugs.
[13:06] <gatox> BLOCKED:
[13:06] <gatox> No
[13:06] <gatox> ralsina, go
[13:06] <ralsina> DONE: tech leads call, mail catchup, arranging notes for tomorrow's call. TODO: mgmt call, finish organizing said notes, schedule remaining 1-1s with the team, debug with the parrino, doctor's appointment later, etc etc etc. BLOCKED: days have too few hours
[13:07] <ralsina> Please, everyone, check your calendars, tomorrow's call is important. Those who don't attend will be assigned to the web+mobile team!
[13:08] <ralsina> or the eastern front. Your choice!
[13:12] <dobey> ralsina: i hear chocolate ration is about to go up.
[13:14] <nessita> Mate time!!!
[13:22] <mandel> did my message arrive?
[13:24] <ralsina> mandel: nonono
[13:25] <mrfree> mandel, hi :)
[13:28] <mrfree> I started committing to gentoo, the work is almost done... I simply need to review and commit, I'll poke the chan when I'm done
[13:29] <mrfree> then I'll available to contribute/test a better package_manager implementation :)
[13:29] <mrfree> the sync stuff works great ;)
[13:30] <ralsina> mrfree: awesome!
[13:30] <mrfree> ralsina, I can finally drop dropbox in the trash :)
[13:31] <mrfree> I need to try the u1 gnome3 integration better, to achieve some visual needs
[13:32] <mandel> mrfree, hello :)
[13:33] <mandel> ralsina, really, no?
[13:33] <mrfree> I only found a problem with deja-dup integration, but I've found it's an already known bug in ubuntu too
[13:33] <mandel> ralsina, mrfree did you guys talk about the platform string?
[13:34] <mrfree> which platform string?
[13:34] <mandel> mrfree, I guess not hehehe
[13:34] <mandel> ralsina, can you explain it to mrfree?
[13:36] <ralsina> mrfree, somewhere in some code, which I can't remember and I am in a phone call ;-) there is a string that says what "platform" you are on
[13:36] <ralsina> mrfree: should be in sso, somewhere near the word ping, IIRC
[13:36] <dobey> eh?
[13:37] <mandel> mrfree, the idea is that we would like to be able to track the number of users we have in each platfrom so that we can triagged the bugs accordingly, lets say we have a gazillion users in gentoo, then when you file a bug about gentoo, we will make it a priority :)
[13:37] <mandel> we do the same for windows
[13:38] <mandel> mrfree, but I think is in the protocol code.. I cannot remember
[13:38] <mrfree> ah ok... I'll dig it a while...
[13:39] <dobey> mandel: that doesn't seem right
[13:39] <mandel> mandel, my explanation, or the fact that we have that in the code?
[13:40] <dobey> mandel: you talking to yourself
[13:40] <dobey> mandel: also, that seems the wrong way to do that
[13:40] <mandel> dobey, ups hehe
[13:40] <dobey> if the way that's done is "define a string"
[13:41] <mandel> dobey, I don't exaclty know the implementation details, I was not involved in that
[13:41] <dobey> also, there's no easy way to differentiate those in the bug reports
[13:41] <mandel> dobey, not in the bug reports, I'd expect sometone to say, this does not work in platfrom X blah blah
[13:42] <mandel> dobey, then we look at graphite and decide the weigth of platfrom x
[13:42] <dobey> mandel: clearly you don't read our bug reports or see the questions people ask :)
[13:42] <ralsina> usually we don't get the platform until the third comment ;-)
[13:42] <dobey> also, deciding the importance of a bug based on number of users connected to the server, is dumb :)
[13:43] <mandel> dobey, I was giving an example :P
[13:43] <mandel> I really don't know what that figure is really used for
[13:43] <mandel> I know is there for a reason :)
[13:43] <dobey> it's there for windows
[13:44] <ralsina> mrfree: or rather, look in u1-client, in platform\credentials\__init__.py for how we gather the platform name and stuff.
[13:44] <mandel> dobey, but why?
[13:44] <dobey> mandel: to see how many windows users we have connected to the server at any given time?
[13:45] <mandel> dobey, and why do we want that?
[13:45] <ralsina> dobey: and the same way we want to know from now on on what version of ubuntu people is
[13:45] <dobey> mandel: so we know if it was worth the cost to make it work? :)
[13:45] <ralsina> mandel: we do want to know that. It's called user segmentation
[13:45] <dobey> ralsina: sure, but "define a string in a file" is a lame way to do that :)
[13:45] <dobey> it's linux, we have the LSB
[13:46] <ralsina> dobey: well, yes, and that's how it's done I think
[13:46] <mandel> I'd be surprise if it is a hardcoded tring..
[13:46] <dobey> if so, then mrfree doesn't need to do anything with it for gentoo
[13:46] <mandel> s/tring/string
[13:46] <ralsina> "linux" is hardcoded
[13:46] <dobey> if it's just "Linux", then it's not LSB :)
[13:47] <ralsina> ok, I need to listen to the call, so argue between yourselves ;-)
[13:49] <dobey> nessita: should we not also have a stable-2-0 for ubuntuone-windows-installer?
[13:50] <nessita> dobey: you're absolutely right
[13:50] <nessita> dobey: thanks for pointing this out, I will make the release and tag today/tomorrow
[13:52] <dobey> nessita: great, thanks. i think there are also several branches for ubuntu-sso-client or ubuntuone-client that have landed in trunk to fix windows issues, that should be backported to the stable branches as well.
[13:52] <nessita> dobey: you mean the "new" stable branches for P or the 2-0 branches?
[13:53] <dobey> nessita: i mean the 2-0 and such
[13:53] <dobey> nessita: we don't have the stable branches for P set up yet do we?
[13:53] <nessita> dobey: nopes, that's why I wasn't sure what you mean
[13:54] <nessita> dobey: I'm not sure why we should backport those windows fixes to the 2-0 stable branches... would you please share with me your rationale?
[13:54] <dobey> nessita: for the P stable branches, we will just branch from trunk for now. but wanted to have the planning discussion first, so after that call tomorrow perhaps
[13:54] <nessita> indeed
[13:55] <dobey> nessita: if we are relaesing them as updates versioned as 2.0.x for windows, they should be in stable-2-0 branches (or stable-1-4 for sso i guess)
[13:55] <nessita> dobey: but what if we need to SRU something to linux?
[13:55] <nessita> dobey: then we will need to SRU also the "windows" code...
[13:56] <dobey> nessita: then we SRU to linux. the windows specific pieces should have no bearing on that.
[13:56] <nessita> dobey: hum, I always felt like bug diffs are harder to SRU, even  if they are not related
[13:56] <dobey> well, for ubuntu. everything should be one tarball if we are making tarball releases
[13:57] <dobey> nessita: it depends on how we do the SRU
[13:57] <nessita> dobey: can you please be more specific? (I have little experience SRUing)
[13:57] <dobey> nessita: we support multiple platforms, and our support of windows shouldn't make fixing bugs in ubuntu harder to get done
[13:58] <nessita> dobey: that's logical, but I'm not sure that would be the "real" case. Maybe you have more info than I do?
[13:58] <dobey> nessita: well, for example, I just did a couple SRUs last week, and simply put the patches into the existing ubuntu package, instead of making a new tarball release
[13:58] <dobey> nessita: because they were small patches, and only 1 or 2 bugs being fixed
[13:58] <nessita> dobey: ah yes, I saw that...
[14:00] <dobey> nessita: the "real" case is, if the SRU team is making it harder for us to get fixes into Ubuntu because we also support Windows, then we need to resolve that problem in a way that doesn't prevent us from having the platform-specific pieces in the same codebase. presumably by educating the SRU team how such code is separated, and improving communication, as necessary
[14:00] <nessita> dobey: that sounds good as a plan
[14:01] <dobey> nessita: basically, we need to fix any problems with the SRU team by fixing them with the SRU team, rather than working around the SRU team :)
[14:02] <nessita> dobey: yeah, you're right (though somehow it feels easier doing the latter, but yes, the former is the right path)
[14:02] <nessita> dobey: I will make stable branches for the latest fixes
[14:03] <dobey> nessita: it's easier until you try to maintain the code :)
[14:03] <nessita> yeap
[14:35] <nessita> @ping
[14:35] <ubot4> pong
[14:44] <facundobatista> nessita, LucasMetal had a 2GB memory usage in windows, with 4453 files (but 11276 directories)
[14:44] <facundobatista> nessita, we could get logs from him, right?
[14:44] <nessita> facundobatista: indeed
[14:44] <nessita> facundobatista: wanna ask him the logs? (need the log dirs?)
[14:44] <facundobatista> LucasMetal, we may need for a clean restart with a specific logs configuration, to have all the info
[14:44] <facundobatista> nessita, yes, please, and where the config is located
[14:44] <LucasMetal> no problem
[14:44] <facundobatista> LucasMetal, which windows version do you have?
[14:45] <nessita> LucasMetal: hey there! are you running the latest version? (released last week)(
[14:45] <LucasMetal> Windows 7
[14:45] <LucasMetal> I have installed it yesterday
[14:45] <mandel> gatox, can I have a review for https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntuone-windows-installer/put-migration-together
[14:45] <nessita> LucasMetal: great! let me get your the info then
[14:45] <gatox> mandel, yep1
[14:46] <LucasMetal> hey nessita ! Ok!
[14:46] <mandel> gatox, thx!
[14:46] <LucasMetal> I'm at the office now, but I could do it when I got home (anyway, there is no hurry I guess)
[14:48] <nessita> LucasMetal: right, no hurries, but let me give you a link with the instructions
[14:48] <LucasMetal> perfect ;)
[14:48] <mandel> gatox, do you have running the tests of ubuntuone-control-panel on windows?
[14:49] <gatox> mandel, let me try
[14:50] <gatox> mandel, i think so
[14:50] <mandel> gatox, let me know, cause I'm getting errors due to a dirty reactor
[14:52] <nessita> facundobatista, LucasMetal: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/712063/
[14:52] <gatox> mandel, the test for trunk are ok
[14:53] <gatox> mandel, let me check if i have the last code.....
[14:53] <facundobatista> nessita, gracias
[14:53] <nessita> de nada!
[14:53] <gatox> mandel, 236..... yes...... the test in trunk are ok
[14:53] <facundobatista> nessita, "restart machine" <-- puto windows
[14:54] <mandel> gatox, hm.. dammed
[14:54] <gatox> mandel, are you working in a branch for cp?
[14:54] <mandel> gatox, yes
[14:55] <LucasMetal> nessita: perfect. But, what if the syncdaemon hangs and never says "all files up to date" ?
[14:55] <ralsina> nessita, mandel, alecu: we are getting lots of support requests on bug #872924 anyone is working on it?
[14:55] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 872924 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Resuming a failed upload crashes with ValueError: I/O operation on closed file (affects: 8) (dups: 2) (heat: 54)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/872924
[14:55] <mandel> gatox, how many successes do you get, Im getting the following:
[14:55] <mandel> FAILED (skips=1, errors=6, successes=711)
[14:55] <nessita> LucasMetal: when the memory consumption reaches 2GB (for example), kill it and gather logs, please
[14:56] <nessita> ralsina: nopes, no one is for the moment. This affects both OSes
[14:56] <nessita> all OSes, I meant
[14:56] <mandel> ralsina, we looked at it, I added some extra logging and fixes to _is_path_dir and we found out that is due to a fd.close() fd.write()
[14:56] <nessita> mandel: the issue is already debugged
[14:56] <ralsina> nessita, mandel: any clues on how to attack it?
[14:56] <mandel> nessita, really? what was it?
[14:56] <nessita> mandel: it occurs on every platform, and is related to the UploadCommand
[14:56]  * mandel curious
[14:56] <LucasMetal> nessita: ok, hope It doesn't burn my notebook harddrive, yesterday It was on fire when the process was at 2GB :(
[14:57] <gatox> mandel, PASSED (skips=1, successes=704)
[14:57] <ralsina> nessita: parrino is gathering the full logs on windows for the memory leak, to see if we can see anything new there.
[14:57] <nessita> mandel: somehow the uploads can't be resumed
[14:57] <ralsina> nessita: could it be related to the problem with updown being restarted?
[14:57] <nessita> ralsina: the I/O stuff is bery likely not related to parrino's issue (just FYI)
[14:57] <ralsina> nessita: I know, just passing it on because I saw 2GB mentioned :-)
[14:58] <nessita> ralsina: the I/O error - operation on closed file is a bug in the code, nothing to do with updown
[14:58] <nessita> ralsina: right, we're trying to have more logs from another user that has the same issue
[14:58] <mandel> gatox, can you run the tests for lp:~mandel/ubuntuone-control-panel/auto-update-functions and let me know the results?
[14:58] <ralsina> nessita: ok then. We should prioritise the I/O bug if at all possible. That one and the memory leak are the most complained about at the moment.
[14:59] <nessita> ralsina: we need chicharra help with the I/O bug, is not platform specific
[14:59] <ralsina> and the None has no get_rootdir which may or may not be the same as the memory leak
[14:59] <gatox> mandel, on it
[14:59] <ralsina> nessita: cool
[14:59] <nessita> ralsina: cool? they are hasta las manos :-)
[15:00] <ralsina> I mean cool as in "ack". I know I am using it wrong ;-)
[15:00] <nessita> ah!
[15:00] <mandel> gatox, thx!
[15:01] <ralsina> nessita: since they are aware of it, and we need their help... well, that's it for now. Therefore, cool, moving one :-)
[15:01] <nessita> ralsina: ack
[15:04] <gatox> mandel, your tests are working for me: PASSED (skips=1, successes=711)
[15:04]  * ralsina calls TIMING ISSUE
[15:04] <gatox> mandel, can it be a problem with any other project setted in the pythonpath?
[15:05] <gatox> RaHorachty, maybe
[15:05] <gatox> ralsina, maybe
[15:06] <ralsina> I bet it's ralsina and not RaHoracht-y
[15:07] <gatox> ralsina, :P... i'm use to only type the first 2 chars and then hit tab..... i always confuse alecu with someone else
[15:07] <gatox> used*
[15:07] <ralsina> gatox: of course. Sorry, I am in a silly mood today.
[15:08] <mandel> gatox, it could be.. lame, I'll see what is the issue
[15:09] <mandel> gatox, try to do ma + tab in pyar :P
[15:09] <gatox> jeje
[15:10] <gatox> in pyar i can do r + tab and i'll get ralsina (copyright of the R)
[15:10] <gatox> :P
[15:10] <ralsina> gatox: I am 3rd on the r today in pyar
[15:11] <gatox> weird..... only show me your name on R+tab
[15:12] <dobey> lunch time, bbiab
[15:14] <gatox> i'm starving...... lunch, brb!
[15:17] <nessita> ralsina: do you understand this report? bug #876981
[15:17] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 876981 in ubuntuone-client "Error when trying to install Windows in Ubuntu 10.10.2 LTS (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/876981
[15:17] <ralsina> hahaha
[15:18] <ralsina> nessita: I do, but I am having a hard time answering :-)
[15:18] <mandel> nessita, have you ever seen this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/712092/
[15:19] <mandel> nessita, I'm having that issue in O
[15:19] <nessita> ralsina: what is it about?
[15:19] <ralsina> nessita: he's trying to run the windows installer on linux
[15:19] <nessita> ralsina: using wine, I would hope
[15:19] <ralsina> nessita: nope, just opening it, it seems
[15:19] <nessita> mandel: never seen that... do you have all the deps properly installed?
[15:19] <mandel> nessita, not even
[15:19] <ralsina> nessita: it's reported to work on wine
[15:20] <nessita> right
[15:20] <mandel> nessita, yes, the not even was for the bug report ;)
[15:20] <mandel> nessita, I have nightlies, gi etc..
[15:20] <ralsina> nessita: I got it, don't worry
[15:20] <nessita> mandel: no idea then, sorrry
[15:21] <mandel> nessita, I can do the import from the terminal, seems that u1trial cannot :(
[15:21] <mandel> dobey, ping
[15:38] <mandel> is there anyone in O here?
[15:38] <beuno> o/
[15:38] <mandel> beuno, oh, cool, can you give me a hand with a small tests?
[15:39] <mandel> s/tests/test
[15:39] <beuno> I can try
[15:39] <mandel> beuno, ok, can you please branch lp:ubuntuone-control-panel
[15:39] <mandel> and add it to the PYTHONPATH
[15:40] <beuno> done
[15:40] <mandel> beuno, once you have that can you please do from python: __import__('ubuntuone.controlpanel.web_client.tests.test_libsoup', None, None, [""])
[15:41] <mandel> beuno, I'm expecting a weird import error about _API
[15:41] <beuno> ImportError: No module named utils
[15:41] <gatox> mandel, i'm in O
[15:42] <Chipaca> who isn't in O? right?
[15:42] <mandel> gatox, can you do the above ^ too, thx
[15:42] <mandel> beuno, utils?!? that is weird, may I see the trace
[15:42] <gatox> mandel, yep... i'm finish eating and i'll do that!
[15:43] <beuno> mandel, https://pastebin.canonical.com/54514/
[15:43] <beuno> (sorry for the private paste, force habbit)
[15:43] <mandel> beuno, no worries :)
[15:44] <mandel> beuno, you do not have nighliets, do you?
[15:44] <beuno> mandel, I don't think I do
[15:44] <mandel> beuno, can you add them, if you don't mind that is
[15:45] <beuno> sure
[15:45] <mandel> beuno, thx!
[15:55] <mandel> beuno, ping me when you are up to date :)
[16:01] <beuno> Out[1]: <module 'ubuntuone.controlpanel.web_client.tests.test_libsoup' from 'ubuntuone/controlpanel/web_client/tests/test_libsoup.pyc'>
[16:01] <beuno> mandel, ^
[16:01] <mandel> beuno, ok, great, now, can you go in the branch you got and do ./run-tests
[16:02] <mandel> beuno, if the run, my machine is funcked :(
[16:10] <dobey> mandel: what's up?
[16:11] <mandel> dobey, I was wondering if you knew why I get the following: http://paste.ubuntu.com/712092/ but I can do the import of Soup and SoupGNOME from the RELP
[16:11] <dobey> mandel: on oneiric?
[16:11] <mandel> dobey, yes
[16:12] <dobey> mandel: tests don't work in oneiric
[16:12] <mandel> dobey, la puta!!!! really?
[16:12] <dobey> mandel: yeah, gobject vs. gobject-introspection issue makes for very bad times.
[16:13] <mandel> dobey, ouch.. then I'll have to have a vm with N
[16:13] <mandel> beuno, thx, dobey confirmed me what I feared ^
[16:13] <mandel> dobey, ok, then with those bad news, EOD for me
[16:14] <dobey> mandel: so anything of ours that uses gobject-introspection will not have working tests, due to twisted reactor not working with new gobject stuff
[16:14] <dobey> mandel: have a good evening :)
[16:14] <mandel> the only good thing of the day was the quantum levitation
[16:14] <mandel> dobey, ok, I'll keep that in mind.. have a good day! :)
[16:15] <dobey> and me getting 5000 more medallion miles on delta :)
[16:15] <mandel> hahaha
[16:15] <mandel> dobey, talk to you laters (dog is waiting)
[16:15] <mandel> everyone, cu tom!
[16:26] <gatox> mandel, i tried what you said and i can do the import without trouble
[17:00]  * nessita -> gone to the uni
[17:01] <nessita> see ya later crowd!
[18:36] <clem-l> cparrino: can I PM?
[19:13] <gatox> EOD for me.... see you tomorrow
[20:58] <dobey> alright, i'm off. have a good evening all


[10:56] <derEremit> Hi, what was changed in saucy yesterday.
[10:56] <derEremit> After login i just get a black screen and "permission denied" popup
[10:57] <derEremit> intel grafix
[12:10] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[12:12] <penguin42> Hey BK
[12:24] <BluesKaj> hey penguin42
[17:02] <racho> currently running 3.11.0-3-generic #7-Ubuntu SMP but i can't seem to activate radeon.dpm=1 on my vga
[17:03] <racho> do i need some extra lib/package? i was left with the impression 3.11 would provide better power management for radeon cards
[19:19]  * penguin42 is getting a crash in the (python) printer-applet on KDE at login; the KDE guys say they've recently replaced their printer-applet by a C one; is this something that's just awaiting packaging?
[20:17] <yofel> penguin42: not really, the new one is called print-manager, printer-applet was just never removed
[20:21] <penguin42> yofel: OK, for me the old python one segs, I suggest the old one is removed or make the new one remove the old one?
[23:28] <vanishing> anyone's gnome-flashback session working?


[19:31] <liketechnik> Is it save to install these drivers on my everyday system which I need for work?
[19:34] <zao> Sounds a bit unwise.
[19:34] <zao> Consider another OS installation maybe?
[19:35] <liketechnik> ok
[19:36] <liketechnik> would it be possible to test inside a virtual machine
[19:36] <liketechnik> Or do I need real hardware?
[20:16] <tjaalton> huh?
[20:16] <zao> Interesting followup question, heh.
[20:17] <zao> Nothing ill towards the project, but if you ask yourself "should I do <X> to mission critical machines", the answer should most likely be "probably not".
[20:26] <tjaalton> what was "these drivers"?
[20:33] <zao> tjaalton: Considering I'm here because of the Vulkan drivers from NV/Intel, probably those.
[20:34] <zao> Guessing from your questions that there's probably more to this project than that PPA :)
[20:43] <tjaalton> certainly
[21:13] <ricotz> tjaalton, hi, do you have mesa 11.2 rc3 somewhere already?
[21:14] <tjaalton> ricotz: in debian git
[21:15] <tjaalton> I can't build the ubuntu version on my skylake, because of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/llvm-toolchain-3.8/+bug/1553174
[21:16] <tjaalton> though it would still be possible to push it to a ppa
[21:16] <ricotz> tjaalton, I see, yeah push it to some ppa
[21:16] <ricotz> e.g x-staging?
[21:16] <tjaalton> that was the plan
[21:17] <ricotz> great
[21:44] <tjaalton> building
[21:59] <tjaalton> failed
[22:16] <tjaalton> botched merge
[22:50] <tjaalton> new version building
[23:04] <tjaalton> failed on powerpc


[00:04] <pteague> how exactly does mute work?  i'm clicking the mute on my remote & the OSD is saying mute on & mute off, but i'm getting sound whether mute is on or off
[00:18] <superm1> pteague, turns on and off the master mixer's volume usually
[00:18] <superm1> if it's not the master mixer you want to adjust you need to go into the settings and change which one it works with
[00:19] <pteague> ah, ok... maybe that's the issue... i think it may have gotten set to PCM
[01:04] <Coroh> hi
[01:06] <Coroh> can any one help me to make a shop list to my first mythtv box???
[01:09] <orkid_> it really depends what u want to do
[01:09] <orkid_> with it
[01:09] <orkid_> if u say that, in specifics, maybe someone will help u
[01:10] <Coroh> ok
[01:10] <Coroh> well...
[01:11] <Coroh> there isnt  PCI capture card for my Digital tv system im my country
[01:11] <Coroh> soh .. in this first moment i will use a ship one like bt 878
[01:13] <Coroh> i would like a complete Media Center box
[01:13] <Coroh> with hdmi IN and out
[01:14] <Coroh> orkid_: can you undertand?
[01:15] <Coroh> a Full remote control woud be fine... and one very important.... the price... as low as possible
[01:20] <Coroh> im in other channel ... meeet you there.. tanks  #myth-users
[03:38] <planeracer> hello all
[03:38] <planeracer> anyone around here?
[03:39] <rhpot1991> !ask | planeracer
[03:39] <Zinn> planeracer: Please don't ask if anyone is around or if it is alright to ask a question.  Many people check back periodically and may answer your question when they see it.  IRC is not normally an instant fix so check back often for an answer.
[03:39] <planeracer> OK
[03:41] <planeracer> I lost mythbunty control center. When i click on, window shows for a password. after i entered a password cliked ok, nothink happens. Any idea
[03:42] <planeracer> what happend?
[03:42] <planeracer> any way to fix that?
[03:45] <rhpot1991> try to launch it from a terminal and check the terminal for errors
[03:46] <planeracer> i can lunch that from terminal?
[03:47] <rhpot1991> mythbuntu-control-centre
[03:47] <rhpot1991> you may need to do it as sudo, not positive
[03:47] <planeracer> sudo su
[03:47] <planeracer> ops, not that keyboard
[03:48] <planeracer> do ihave to just type that ?
[03:48] <planeracer> mythbuntu-control-centre
[03:49] <tritium> planeracer: sudo -i to get you a root shell
[03:49] <tritium> We recommend that over sudo su
[03:49] <planeracer> ok
[03:49] <planeracer> i didnt know that
[03:50] <planeracer> then i have type mythbuntu-control-centre .?
[03:50] <tritium> If you want to run it from cli.  Why are you doing that?
[03:51] <planeracer> to see why contol centre not shwoing
[03:52] <planeracer> showing
[03:52] <tritium> hmm
[03:53] <planeracer> last time i went into just for enable a video codecs. then that it
[03:54] <planeracer> i had a problem with dvd player
[03:55] <planeracer> any way to lunch that from terminal? to see any errors?
[03:59] <rhpot1991> launch a terminal type "sudo mythbuntu-control-centre"
[03:59] <planeracer> i did
[03:59] <planeracer> but command not found
[04:00] <rhpot1991_laptop> did you spell it right
[04:00] <rhpot1991_laptop> notice centre
[04:01] <rhpot1991_laptop> if so launch synaptec (or the tool of your choice) and make sure its installed
[04:01] <planeracer> let me check spelling
[04:02] <planeracer> ok worked now
[04:03] <planeracer> i got a index error
[04:03] <planeracer> list index out of range
[04:06] <planeracer> I think i did somethink wrong with remote files
[04:45] <Foople1> anyone know of a analog USB video capture device that works out of the box with mythbuntu?
[04:48] <planeracer> Hey ! it works now! Thanks <rhpot1991_laptop> and <tritium>
[04:48] <tritium> planeracer: good!  :)
[06:46] <jmichelsen> I have some questions regarding mythtv/ATI wonder remote<PHONE_NUMBER>A. I cant seem to get lirc to work properly. I have the /etc/lircd.conf with the remotes settings, and the ~/.lircrc as well, irw wont recognize signals from the remote, anyone have any ideas?
[06:57] <MythbuntuGuest23> hey everyone
[06:58] <TrainAss> I've been looking for an answer regarding Blu-Ray/HD-DVD playback in Mythbuntu
[06:59] <TrainAss> I haven't been able to find anything concrete, so I thought I'd pop in here and see if there are any solutions
[14:27] <faceplant> Hi all, does anyone here an HDTV tuner card?
[14:28] <jmichelsen> I have some questions regarding mythtv/ATI wonder remote<PHONE_NUMBER>A. I cant seem to get lirc to work properly. I have the /etc/lircd.conf with the remotes settings, and the ~/.lircrc as well, irw wont recognize signals from the remote, anyone have any ideas?
[14:30] <faceplant> I've installed an ATI hdtv wonder. I'm trying to follow these instructions to install it: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATI_HDTV_Wonder . The tuner card can be properly probed and detected. Unfortunately, I can't change the channel on the card!
[17:29] <massabuntu> hi, i have a question,  how can i make my diskless client reach the internet connection?
[17:35] <superm1> should inherently be able to
[17:38] <MythbuntuGuest42> Hello
[17:38] <MythbuntuGuest42> anyone with experience with Mythbuntu 8.04 and VNC ?
[17:43] <superm1> !ask | MythbuntuGuest42
[17:43] <Zinn> MythbuntuGuest42: Please don't ask if anyone is around or if it is alright to ask a question.  Many people check back periodically and may answer your question when they see it.  IRC is not normally an instant fix so check back often for an answer.
[17:50] <MythbuntuGuest42> I had the previous version of Mythbuntu installed and everything was good.  I upgraded to the 8.04, and since then I have problems with VNC.  I can connect fine, but as soon as I try to use the mouse or keyboard, the X server dies and I get 13 lines of backtrace in my /var/log/Xorg.0.log.  If I instead run x11vnc on display 0, I can then at least connect and log in, but as soon as I do, the session dies with caught
[17:51] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest42, okay so what happened is vnc4server is broken in 8.04
[17:52] <MythbuntuGuest42> oic
[17:52] <superm1> if you go into MCC and deactivate/reactivate VNC it will transition you to x11vnc insetad
[17:52] <MythbuntuGuest42> lovely :(
[17:52] <MythbuntuGuest42> But at least I know I'm not losing my mind :-)
[17:52] <superm1> yeah a bit of an annoyance really
[17:52] <superm1> but upstream doesn't care about new X
[17:52] <superm1> so that's what happens
[17:53] <MythbuntuGuest42> I just hate to fire up the projector and use my bulb to do something like add a package
[17:53] <MythbuntuGuest42> or if I need to fiddle with stuff that needs a GUI
[17:53] <superm1> well you can X forward the app
[17:53] <superm1> ssh -X -Y
[17:53] <superm1> and then run mythbuntu-control-centre
[17:53] <MythbuntuGuest42> yeah, but I don't have anything on this end yet to accept the X connections
[17:54] <MythbuntuGuest42> my laptop is currently running Windblows
[17:54] <superm1> temporarily xhost +
[17:54] <superm1> oh
[17:54] <superm1> well cygwin?
[17:54] <superm1> or a live disk temporarily
[17:54] <MythbuntuGuest42> My Solaris boxes are headless.  Soon I'll have another Ubuntu PC I can use in the living room.
[17:54] <MythbuntuGuest42> yeah
[17:56] <MythbuntuGuest42> So why does x11vnc die as soon as I log in ?
[17:56] <MythbuntuGuest42> and I have to restart it
[17:57] <superm1> that shouldn't be happening..
[17:58] <superm1> but the command line options for it might be innaccurate
[17:58] <MythbuntuGuest42> I'm guessing it's some kind of permissions problem.
[17:58] <superm1> i forget the exact ones that are set by mcc
[17:59] <MythbuntuGuest42> Since I first have to start it with a -auth pointing to the /var/lib/gdm/0:Xauth
[17:59] <MythbuntuGuest42> hi kirkland
[18:04] <MythbuntuGuest42> OK I ran a reconfigure through the MCC for VNC, and logged out afterwards - now I can't connect back in.  Where does MCC store the x11vnc options and how does it start it ?  Or do I now have to go and run it manually everytime ?
[18:07] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest42, it's started on the autologin
[18:07] <superm1> via the session script
[18:07] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest42, so you won't see it at the gdm screen, but as soon as you are logged in you do
[18:08] <MythbuntuGuest42> OK ... so if it's started as part of the login ... then how do I log in ?
[18:08] <superm1> you should have been autologging in
[18:08] <superm1> is the idea
[18:08] <superm1>     #x11vnc
[18:08] <superm1>     if [ -x /usr/bin/x11vnc ] && [ -f /root/.vnc/passwd ]; then
[18:08] <superm1>         x11vnc -rfbauth /root/.vnc/passwd -rfbport 5900 -shared -forever -nowf -norc -notruecolor -bg
[18:08] <superm1>     fi
[18:08] <superm1> that's what gets ran on the autologin
[18:09] <MythbuntuGuest42> ok
[18:09] <MythbuntuGuest42> I've been a Solaris and AIX admin for years ... but I feel completely lost with this stuff - it's like I"m in a new world, and nothing is where I expect it to be :-)
[18:11] <MythbuntuGuest42> One of the reasons I don't have it set to autologin, is that only my userid shows up in the list.  The mythtv user doesn't, and I would rather stuff run as mythtv, than as me.
[18:14] <superm1> well that's not what you are supposed to do though
[18:14] <superm1> that mythtv user is meant ONLY for the mythbackend daemon
[18:15] <superm1> and for creating a mythtv group common among users
[18:15] <MythbuntuGuest42> ah ok
[18:15] <MythbuntuGuest42> I will create another userid for it to run as then
[18:16] <MythbuntuGuest42> so my stuff stays separate
[18:16] <MythbuntuGuest42> where is the autologin session script you mentioned with the x11vnc stuff kept ?
[18:16] <superm1> /usr/share/mythbuntu
[18:16] <MythbuntuGuest42> cool thanks
[18:16] <MythbuntuGuest42> you've been a great help
[18:16] <superm1> that's the session script that runs when you've configured autologin in mcc at least
[18:17] <superm1> no prob
[18:17] <MythbuntuGuest42> I think I'll go see what I can work out from here :-)
[18:17] <superm1> if you've got ideas for how to make things work better at all, we're open to suggestions
[18:17] <superm1> just because it's done this way right now doesn't mean it's done "Right"
[18:18] <MythbuntuGuest42> cool ... I don't feel qualified at the moment ... as I said, I seem to get lost with Ubuntu, but I'm trying to learn.  I eventually want to completely get rid of every Mickeysoft POS operating system in my house :-)
[18:18] <MythbuntuGuest42> A friend got me interested in mythtv, as I hated to install MS media center.
[18:20] <MythbuntuGuest42> Oh, one futher question - I was thrilled to finally get my video card and TV working - that took me 3 days of pulling my hair out.  I'd like to post what worked for me, in case it will help others.  Where is the best place to post it ?
[18:21] <superm1> in the forums
[18:21] <superm1> but i'm interested in what didn't work off the bat with the installer?
[18:21] <superm1> the installer offers questions about setting up the tv for your
[18:22] <MythbuntuGuest42> I have a Radeon X1300
[18:23] <MythbuntuGuest42> I couldn't for the life of me get the tv-out to work.  Mind you, this was with the previous version.  I ended up digging through various guides and trying different things until I found the right drivers that worked, and then had to figure out what lines to put in the xorg.conf to get the tvout enabled and the other monitor I had.
[18:23] <superm1> oh
[18:23] <superm1> well actually ati's command line utility generally does the trick
[18:23] <superm1> if you pass the right options
[18:24] <MythbuntuGuest42> heheh ... yes but for me the question was what were the right options ?
[18:24] <superm1> which is what 8.04's installer should have covered, but since you upgraded, that explains things
[18:24] <MythbuntuGuest42> It didn't recognize my old Westinghouse TV or the Panasonic
[18:24] <superm1> be wary, AMD hasn't released a driver for 8.10
[18:24] <superm1> so don't upgrade to 8.10 until they do
[18:24] <MythbuntuGuest42> Oh that's good to know !
[18:25] <MythbuntuGuest42> My friend was bugging me to upgrade to 8.10 as soon as it comes out, and I told him I prefer not to live on the bleeding edge - I get tired of putting on band-aids :-)
[18:26] <MythbuntuGuest42> This time after the upgrade, it did work well with my new Mitsubishi TV, and all I had to do was fix the resolutions so it would work at 1920x1080 ....
[18:27] <MythbuntuGuest42> Oh, that's soemthing else - I've noticd that while the TV says it does 1920x1080, and it works and looks great, the pixture is centered in the screen with about a 1.5" border around it, instead of fillin gup the screen .. any way to tell the xserver (and myth) to stretch it to fill whole screen ?
[18:29] <superm1> well you need to identify who is to blame there
[18:30] <superm1> if it's the driver, or if the tv should be stretching it
[18:30] <superm1> the tv might be doing this so as to prevent overscan
[18:31] <MythbuntuGuest42> ah
[18:33] <MythbuntuGuest42> The TV just says "PC" and won't let me change the format so perhaps so
[18:34] <MythbuntuGuest42> will dig around and see what info I can find on the TV
[18:35] <MythbuntuGuest42> if it's the driver then how would I change it ?  I'm using the fglrx driver
[18:35] <superm1> amd's control centre
[18:35] <superm1> amdcccle
[18:36] <MythbuntuGuest42> ok thanks
[18:36] <MythbuntuGuest42> I really appreciate all your help
[18:36] <MythbuntuGuest42> Have a good day/evening depending where you are in the world :-)
[18:38] <superm1> no prob MythbuntuGuest42 . you too
[18:45] <ajhtiredwolf> anyone know how to get totem working in mythbuntu as a media player? I want to use it instead of mplayer because mplayer is having audio sync problems
[18:56] <lotia> folks is there a way to have the live cd frontend work with a machine that has an nvidia card?
[19:00] <superm1> yeah, but not with the binary driver
[19:00] <superm1> you can use the open source driver no problem though when you do
[19:02] <lotia> superm1: thanks. is there a way to do a custom image using the standard build so it contains the binary driver?
[19:02] <superm1> lotia, casper unfortunately prevents that
[19:03] <superm1> it would take a nontrivial development effort
[19:03] <lotia> superm1: what is casper?
[19:03]  * lotia apologizes for his ignorance and googles
[19:04] <superm1> lotia, it's what prepares a lot of the live cd environment
[19:04] <superm1> it's a canonical written tool
[19:29] <ajhtiredwolf> anyone know how to fix mplayer audio syncing issues in mythbuntu? or other wise know how to use xine in mythbuntu instead?
[19:31] <superm1> there is a a wiki page explaining it
[19:31] <superm1> how to  switch players
[19:31] <superm1> on help.ubuntu.com
[19:31] <superm1> i'm not sure if Zinn knows about it
[19:31] <superm1> !mythvideo
[19:31] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about mythvideo
[19:32] <superm1> !mythvideo
[19:32] <Zinn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythVideo
[19:40] <ajhtiredwolf> i know how to install and use xine
[19:40] <ajhtiredwolf> but if you just type in totem-xine as the player in mythbuntu
[19:40] <ajhtiredwolf> it will play in the background instead of the current window, mplayer has a bunch of special options at the end of the comman
[19:40] <ajhtiredwolf> d
[19:40] <ajhtiredwolf> im wondering which ones are needed for xine to work in mythbuntu
[19:42] <jphillip> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Configuring_Xine
[19:47] <ajhtiredwolf> cool thanks, looks like it just needs some configuring, works much better than mplayer though
[21:02] <lotia> ajhtiredwolf: i use vlc which seems to behave quite well.
[21:22] <MythbuntuGuest07> Hello, after making a few configuration changes (disabling/re-enabling VNC, creating a new mythuser and setting it to autologin), I restarted my X server and my resolution on the TV dropped to 1024x768.  Checking the Xorg.0.log, I see it is no longer getting correct EDID data.  I've tried restarting X, rebooting the machine, turning the TV off/waiting/turning it on (it's a DLP so have to wait for the lamp) and reboo
[21:22] <MythbuntuGuest07> I still can not get the EDID data back.
[21:23] <MythbuntuGuest07> My fglrx driver is 8.471 which i think is the latest
[22:36] <LaschW> My EPG suddenly shows all programms 1hour earlier. So a sending which starts at 20:00 is shown to start at 19:00. Any idea why / how this happened?
[22:37] <LaschW> I didn't change the system date/time only mythbackend crashed and mythtv-backend became a zombie process.
[23:08] <cobb28> hello, i;ve been trying to get mythbuntu working for about 7 hours now and am wits end...i followed 2 different guides exactly and everything seems to work perfectly in the setup except for liveTV, when I click watchTV nothing happens.
[23:10] <cobb28> i am using a HD Homerun and mythbuntu 8.04, DVI to HDMI cable from nvidia card into an Onkyo receiver, i do not have the sound working through the spdif connection yet


[12:58] <lamont>   initramfs-tools: Depends: lvm2 (>= 2.01.04-5) but 2.00.32-1 is to be installed
[01:00] <lamont> hrm.. my bad
[01:01] <jbailey> lamont: If you can find an earlier version that's sure to work, I'll relax the dependancy.
[01:01] <lamont> nah - I just forgot that I have hoary pinned high and breezy pinned low in the real root on that machine
[01:01] <jbailey> *lol*
[01:03] <lamont> RAMDISK: Compressed image found at block 0
[01:03] <lamont> Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
[01:03] <lamont> hrm... that's not love
[01:04] <lamont> ACPI: Looking for DSDT in initrd... not found!
[01:04] <lamont>  not found!
[01:04] <lamont> wonder if that matters
[01:04] <lamont> sigh.  serious kernel hacking is going to be required to figure this one out, I fear
[01:07] <jbailey> lamont: Are you using mkinitrd or mkinitramfs ?
[01:17] <lamont> jbailey: dpkg -i
[01:18] <lamont> note also that -6.10 doesn't boot either
[01:32] <jbailey> 'kay, so it's not the new dsdt patch, good. =)
[01:48] <lamont> jbailey: well, -6.10 didn't boot because interrupts don't happen (damn acpi patch..)
[06:01] <fabbione> mdz: there was no code change in unionfs since your fix
[06:01] <fabbione> what regression do you have?
[06:25] <fabbione> bah no changes have been done to VFS layer or unionfs
[06:25] <fabbione> and i did tell you in /msg once that unionfs is oopsorama
[06:39] <fabbione> BenC: you here?
[06:44] <fabbione> i think i know what's wrong.. but that's unionfs error
[04:20] <infinity> Wow, who do I have to blame for Hibernate working even worse than it did before?
[04:20] <mjg59> infinity: Comparing what with what?
[04:21] <infinity> Well, before it used to boot, do the whole "reading state form swap (progress bar)" thing, then hang.  I just tested with the new kernel, and it doesn't even seem to bother trying.
[04:21] <infinity> It just booted normally and fscked my dirty partitions, no attempt reo resume.
[04:21] <infinity> s/reo/to/
[04:22] <infinity> So, it's not like things got "worse", per se, since I couldn't suspend (either to disk or ram) before, it just seems to try less hard now. :)
[04:24] <mjg59> infinity: Uhm. What kernel version worked?
[04:25] <mjg59> Or, at least, what kernel version tried harder?
[04:25] <mjg59> My suspicion would be that it's the initrd/initramfs issue that's biting you
[04:25] <mjg59> s/issue/transition/
[04:26] <jbailey> mjg59: How so?
[04:26] <mjg59> jbailey: If there are no messages at all, then the kernel isn't being told to resume
[04:27] <jbailey> infinity: Is RESUME= set in your /etc/mkinitramfs/initramfs.conf ?
[04:27] <infinity> Dude, suspend to RAM now works.
[04:28] <jbailey> infinity: And also please look at what $(cat /sys/power/resume) gives you
[04:28] <mjg59> infinity: Rock. What hardware?
[04:28] <infinity> mjg59 : Brand new SATA T43.
[04:28] <mjg59> infinity: Hurrah
[04:28] <infinity> jbailey : RSUME= is commented out.
[04:28] <mjg59> infinity: That'll be your problem, then
[04:29] <jbailey> Yup
[04:29] <mjg59> infinity: (New kernel has extreme amounts of love)
[04:29] <infinity> Hrm, but that's a regression, mkinitrd didn't need manual love to find the resume partition.
[04:29] <mjg59> Indeed
[04:29] <mjg59> infinity: Is this an upgrade or a clean install?
[04:29] <jbailey> infinity: It's a long-fixed regression.
[04:30] <infinity> Upgrade from older mkinitramfs versions.
[04:30] <infinity> But I've not touched that conffile, so it should have been updated if it's changed.
[04:30] <jbailey> It populates it at first install.
[04:30] <infinity> And the initrd itself has been regenerated with 0.22
[04:30] <jbailey> It can't change it after that.
[04:30] <infinity> Oh, it's not a conffile?... Feh.
[04:30] <jbailey> is.
[04:30] <jbailey> (lagging phone)
[04:31] <Mithrandir> jbailey: perhaps use ucf and then upgrade if you can?
[04:31] <infinity> Right, can't purge, kernels want it there.
[04:31] <jbailey> Mithrandir: I don't know ucf at all.
[04:31] <jbailey> infinity: --force-depends
[04:31] <jbailey> Then reinstall it.
[04:31] <jbailey> Or manually rerun, that'll do too.
[04:32] <mjg59> I'm sure there's something broken with acpipnp
[04:32] <infinity> I assume I'll need to regenrate my initrd after I reinstall this? :)
[04:33] <jbailey> infinity: Yes. =)
[04:33] <infinity> jbailey : Hrm, now it's not commented out, but it's still an empty string.  Was the postinst supposed to put my swap partition in there?
[04:33] <jbailey> Yes.
[04:33] <jbailey> It works for all the cases I've tried, do you mind troubleshooting it?
[04:33] <infinity> It didn't.
[04:34] <infinity> Oh, that's cause I don't HAVE  aswap partition anymore, cause it still has the bloody suspend magic.

[04:35] <infinity> That worked better.
[04:36] <jbailey> Oh good. =)
[04:36] <infinity> Still, that seems a bit unintuitive.  What happens if I reparition and my swap moves around?
[04:36] <infinity> Isn't there a way for us to figure this stuff out on the fly in a reasonably sane fashion?
[04:36] <mjg59> infinity: We can't mount the root filesystem on resume
[04:36] <infinity> Not even readonly?
[04:37] <mjg59> Arguably what we /could/ do would be to rewrite the grub config on the fly on suspend
[04:37] <mjg59> No - it'll still replay the journal
[04:37] <infinity> Ahh, hrm.
[04:37] <infinity> Yes, rewriting the grub config would work too.
[04:38] <Mithrandir> that's fairly evil.
[04:38] <jbailey> Or have grub probe the swap partitions to detect which ones.
[04:38] <jbailey> +have sigs in them.
[04:38] <infinity> So is hardcoding the partition we think you resume from.
[04:38] <jbailey> infinity: Wlel, we hardcode the partition you're resuming *to* as well, right? =)
[04:38] <infinity> jbailey : That's the elegant solution, but suffers from the inability to have two different supended OSs at once.
[04:39] <Mithrandir> jbailey: less evil, I'd say.
[04:39] <jbailey> If you move shit around during a suspend, your system will break, no sympathy.
[04:39] <Mithrandir> infinity: do we care about that use case?  You'll have to be careful not to have any overlapping mounts, for instance.
[04:40] <infinity> jbailey : Erm, but does anything actually read the initramfs config on suspend and pick the "right" partition?... When I had nothing in there, the kernel still happily suspended to my swap partition.
[04:40] <jbailey> Right, that's the default it falls back to.
[04:40] <jbailey> I wish it wouldn't.
[04:40] <infinity> Mithrandir : Well, I don't know how many people have multiple Linuxes installed at once, but I dual-boot between Win32 and Ubuntu using suspend-to-disk for both, cause it's much faster than full reboots.
[04:40] <jbailey> I guess I could detect an image if it's not set.
[04:40] <jbailey> phear
[04:41] <infinity> So, for a Linux hacker with Fedora, SuSE and Ubuntu installed, I suppose it's a valid use-case to do OS-swapping using suspend-to-disk and three swap partitions.
[04:42] <infinity> jbailey : Well, since the kernel plays russian roulette on suspend if that value isn't set, there's no reason you can't do the same on reboot.
[04:42] <infinity> jbailey : And the multi-OS thing is probably enough of a corner case that you could just disable the autoprobing feature through a config option, for the power user.
[04:45] <jbailey> So if resume isn't set, i should check every partition on the system for an image?
[04:48] <infinity> Oh well, one out of 2 ain't bad.
[04:48] <infinity> With initramfs properly configured, it attemps to resume and fails.
[04:49] <infinity> Reading image (progress ... done) ... ACPI: PCI interrupt for XX:XX disabled (repeat several times) ... system hangs.
[04:49] <infinity> mjg59 ^
[04:49] <mjg59> infinity: Ok
[04:50] <mjg59> infinity: I'll be uploading a new acpi-support soon. We'll see if that helps
[04:50] <infinity> jbailey : Maybe.  Or maybe just not care, I dunno.  I'm undecided, now that I know mine still doesn't work anyway. :)
[04:50] <infinity> mjg59 : Mmkay.  At least suspend-to-ram works for me for the first time.  Shame about hibernate being broken.  Also odd, since I figured hinbernate kinda worked everywhere. :)
[04:54] <jbailey> mjg59: Is it possible for now to just tell the kernel not to attempt to guess if the resume partition hasn't been set?
[04:54] <jbailey> mjg59: All it will result in is a clobbered swap file.
[04:54] <mjg59> jbailey: Not without removing that code from the kernel
[04:54] <mjg59> (Which would be easy enough)
[04:55] <jbailey> Right, I'm thinking the gratuitous application of #if 0 #endif to a section.\
[04:55] <infinity> That's certainly the safest approach.
[04:55] <infinity> Will it just refuse to suspend at all in that case?
[04:55] <infinity> Cause that would be fine by me.
[04:55] <mjg59> Yeah
[04:55] <mjg59> Well, it can be made to
[04:56] <infinity> "Can't suspend, no partition selected as suspend target."
[04:56] <infinity> That's by far the safest way around this whole issue.
[05:04] <jbailey> Hey STR work on my laptop with the new kernel
[05:04] <jbailey> Sweet.
[05:05] <jbailey> HAvn't had that since 2.6.10 =)
[05:11] <infinity> Join my l33t STR club, yo.
[05:11] <infinity> Though it's never worked on this laptop until today.
[05:12] <infinity> Now I just need to get the Xorg ATi X300 driver to a) support PCIe, and b) STOP FUCKING CRASHING EVERY COUPLE OF HOURS, and I may like my new computer.
[05:36] <mjg59> infinity: Yeah, I have the same issue on an X300
[05:36] <mjg59> Daniel's supposed to be pulling CVS radeon soon
[05:37] <infinity> I suspect A) and B) are closely related.
[05:37] <infinity> Though, while CVS may help B), it won't help A).
[05:37] <infinity> PCIe isn't going to make breezy unless someone offers some hacker big bags of cash to make it happen.
[05:38] <infinity> mjg59 : If you tell me your crashing X300 is AGP, that will put my mind at ease that I may see a fix for the crashes before I see PCIe support.
[05:38] <infinity> Cause the latter won't be soon.
[05:52] <mjg59> infinity: It's PCIe
[06:07] <infinity> Damn you.
[06:07] <infinity> You could have just lied to make me feel better.
[08:42] <lamont-away> Setting up udev (0.060-1ubuntu6) ...
[08:42] <lamont-away> udev requires a mounted sysfs, not started.
[08:42] <lamont-away> interesting...
[08:43] <infinity> Interesting that you don't have a mounted sysfs, or that you do and udev's too dumb to notice? :)
[08:45] <lamont-away> iz in a chroot
[08:46] <lamont-away> and with a 2.6.12-1-hppa64 kernel
[08:48] <lamont-away> I should really upgrade to 2.6.12-7.11


[05:21] <Kilos> wakker skrik julle
[05:42] <paddatrapper> More oom Kilos
[05:52] <Kilos> more daar paddatrapper
[05:52] <Kilos> ek sien jy werk gereeld op iterum
[05:52] <Kilos> mooi so
[05:52] <Kilos> ek is trots op jou
[06:03] <Kilos> inetpro carey has answered
[06:04] <Kilos> see one must give peeps a chance at times or we could lose a new member
[06:04] <Kilos> good morning btw
[06:09] <Kilos> paddatrapper when you have time can you help me please with an issue in 16.04 kde
[06:10] <Kilos> i am looking here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/1450068 but need to just clarify what i must do in answer 9
[06:10] <Kilos> export means what
[07:13] <Kilos> hi Cryterion
[07:47] <paddatrapper> Kilos-: it means type that line (including export) into ~/.bash_profile
[07:48] <paddatrapper> Essentially export sets an environmental variable for your shell
[07:49] <paddatrapper> In ~/.profile, not .bash_profile
[07:51] <paddatrapper> Kilos: ^^ (not sure where freenode shenanigans leave you)
[07:51] <Kilos> lol
[07:52] <Kilos> ok so i copy paste the word export and the rest to that other file
[07:53] <Kilos> ty lad
[07:53] <paddatrapper> Yes. "export KDE_SOMETHING_OR_OTHER=some_value"
[07:55] <Kilos> gracias
[07:56] <superfly> paddatrapper: you're supposed to be listening in church :-P
[07:56] <Kilos> oops sorry
[07:58] <paddatrapper> superfly: when the pastor stops running around at the front let me know :)
[07:58] <Kilos> lol
[07:59] <superfly> paddatrapper: He's finally sitting down...
[09:55] <qwebirc41263> Just ascertaining that I manage to log on - as the Terminator said " I'll be back!" Careybird
[10:00] <superfly> Kilos: ^^
[10:04] <Kilos> aw i missed him
[10:04] <Kilos> he replied superfly
[10:04] <Kilos> i was skyping debs
[10:04] <Kilos> please if you see him again greet him
[10:05] <Kilos> i think he needs help with doing irc
[11:07] <paddatrapper> Maaz: tell pavlushka Here are the docs about using NickServ on iterum bots: http://docs.iterum.io/configuration.html#irc-source
[11:07] <Maaz> paddatrapper: Got it, I'll tell pavlushka on freenode
[11:25] <Kilos> paddatrapper dont forget tween you and fly that we keep QA because she is bot cloaked already on irc
[11:25] <Kilos> as is maaz
[11:25] <paddatrapper> Kilos: Ok
[11:26] <Kilos> and
[11:26] <paddatrapper> Kilos: do you know whos HW Maaz and QA run on?
[11:27] <Kilos> that file copy thing went to the ~/.bash_info file i think and comment 11 says it must go to ~/.info
[11:27] <Kilos> yes cocooncrash
[11:27] <paddatrapper> ok cool
[11:27] <Kilos> qa on superfly
[11:27] <paddatrapper> The comment I was reading (#9 I think) said ~/.profile
[11:27] <Kilos> i cant find the .info file
[11:28] <Kilos> oh yes profile not info
[11:28] <paddatrapper> You'll probably have to create it
[11:28] <Kilos> oh gook ill do that ty
[11:28] <paddatrapper> Thinks tend to default to ~/.<shell>_profile
[11:28] <paddatrapper> s/thinks/things/
[11:28] <Kilos> s/gook/good
[11:28] <Kilos> aha
[11:29] <Kilos> md is make directory how does on make a file?
[11:30] <Kilos> lemme google
[11:32] <Kilos> ah with cat
[11:32] <Kilos> meeeeow
[11:36] <paddatrapper> alternatively vim ~/.profile, or whatever your editor of choice is
[11:37] <paddatrapper> But echo "line" >> ~/.profile is the simplest
[11:37] <paddatrapper> or touch ~/.profile
[11:37] <Kilos> yay ty cat battling
[11:38] <Kilos> will need sudo i think to make root files?
[11:39] <paddatrapper> Kilos: Yes
[11:40] <paddatrapper> Kilos: But ~/.profile shouldn't be a root file
[11:40] <paddatrapper> That must be owned by your local user
[11:40] <Kilos> oh
[11:41] <paddatrapper> /etc/profile is the root file. ~/.profile extends it
[11:41] <Kilos> ty
[11:42] <Kilos> wbb
[12:10] <Kilos> ty paddatrapper seems to have sorted the issue
[12:12] <Kilos> night are you ever going to greet and join us noisily?
[12:12] <Kilos> very quiet just lurking there you know
[12:23] <superfly> paddatrapper: I'm hosting QA on my mail server
[12:24] <superfly> paddatrapper: but I want to convert iTwinkle to iterum too
[13:43] <paddatrapper> superfly: ack
[18:29] <inetpro> uh oh!
[18:53] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:54] <Kilos> maybe an early night is a healthy option
[19:00] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[21:32] <lewix> hey guys
[21:32] <lewix> What's the current status of web development in Africa? I'm hiring
[21:33] <lewix> If anyone is looking for a job please message me the stack you specialize in and your current rate
[21:58] <kulelu88> that sounds like a very fishy job posting\
[21:58] <kulelu88> hey superfly


[05:26] <Langjan> Good morning all
[06:02] <Kilos> o/
[06:06] <Langjan> G'morning Kilos how you doing?
[06:06] <Kilos> morning Langjan ok ty sir and you
[06:07] <Kilos> hi pavlushka
[06:07] <Langjan> well thanks Kilos
[06:07] <Langjan> Are you feeling ok?
[06:07] <pavlushka> Hello Kilos  :)
[06:08] <Langjan> hi pavlushka
[06:08] <Kilos> yessir i dont feel bad at all. just tire easy
[06:09] <Langjan> Well then get rest but also try to get regular, non-stringent exercise - Pilates stretches excellent. Find on Google
[06:09] <Kilos> ok ty
[06:09] <Langjan> I made a discovery this morning
[06:10] <Kilos> yes?
[06:10] <Langjan> This dummy is sitting with a 64-bit processor
[06:10] <Kilos> hahaha
[06:10] <Langjan> installed 32 bit
[06:10] <Langjan> lmga
[06:10] <Kilos> that will make a diffs to speed
[06:11] <Kilos> now you can install 64 bit unity
[06:11] <Langjan> now wondering if Timeshift snapshot from 32 bit will work on fresh install 64 bit
[06:11] <Kilos> probs arrive twice as fast
[06:12] <Langjan> well my system is pretty speedy as it is so will not bother too much if its complicated
[06:13] <Kilos> lol
[06:15] <Langjan> So what do you think will Timeshift snapshot from 32 bit work on fresh install 64 bit?
[06:15] <Kilos> i dont know what that does
[06:15] <Kilos> but
[06:15] <Kilos> um
[06:15] <Langjan> I have asked the Q on Timeshift forum, will let you know
[06:15] <Kilos> there is an app that lets 6r4 use 32 bit goodies
[06:16] <Langjan> oh
[06:16] <Kilos> multi somethiong
[06:16] <Kilos> multiarch maybe
[06:17] <Langjan> Thks https://www.howtoforge.com/multiarch-how-to-use-32bit-packages-on-a-64bit-system-debian-7-wheezy
[06:17] <Kilos> ya its in repos
[06:17] <Kilos> i did that when i first got 64bit
[06:18] <Kilos> you on wheezy?
[06:18] <Kilos> im on xenial
[06:18] <Langjan> Whats wheezy and xenial?
[06:19] <Kilos> releases
[06:19] <Kilos> 16.04=xenial
[06:19] <Langjan> Oh sorry, xenial
[06:19] <Kilos> 5 year support for lts
[06:21] <Langjan> My hexchat still does not show chat history, every time I login all old ones are gone, cannot find settings for this
[06:21] <Kilos> oh my
[06:22] <Kilos> pavlushka you use hexchat?
[06:22] <Langjan> logging says dislay scrollback
[06:22] <pavlushka> yes dear Kilos  :)
[06:22] <Langjan> but does not display anything
[06:22] <Kilos> please help oom Langjan
[06:23] <Langjan> Hi pavlushka my hexchat does not show previous login chat history
[06:23] <Langjan> "Display scrollback from previous session" is ticked
[06:24] <Langjan> Maybe reinstall hexchat?
[06:24] <pavlushka> Langjan: go to the settings menu -> preferences -> check the logging option in chatting
[06:25] <pavlushka> Langjan: it will load back the previous logs
[06:25] <Langjan> Its ticked but does not work
[06:26] <Langjan> pavlushka, must I also tick "Enable logging of conversations to disk"?
[06:26] <pavlushka> yes, that one
[06:26] <Langjan> ok thks
[06:26] <Langjan> let me try, will get back in a sec
[06:28] <pavlushka> Langjan: and check all the options in that logging box
[06:28] <Langjan> ok will try - its not working yet
[06:28] <paddatrapper> Morning everyone
[06:28] <Langjan> hi paddatrapper
[06:29] <Kilos> hi paddatrapper inetpro
[06:29] <pavlushka> Langjan: it should show two or three lines we talked after you enabled logging
[06:29] <pavlushka> Langjan: it should show two or three lines we talked after you enabled logging
[06:29] <pavlushka> Morning paddatrapper :)
[06:30] <Langjan> nope pavlushka still not working
[06:30] <Kilos> ai!
[06:30] <Langjan> let me reinstall hexchat via synaptic
[06:31] <Langjan> Whats hexchat python?
[06:31] <pavlushka> Langjan: you can get more help on #hexchat channel :)
[06:32] <pavlushka> Langjan: its the hexchat python plugin
[06:33] <Langjan> Synaptic shows some broken packages
[06:33] <Kilos> fix them
[06:33] <pavlushka> Langjan: I mean python plugin for hexchat which enables extra functionality
[06:34] <Kilos> synaptic edit repair
[06:34] <Langjan> Trying, its the python packages, were not shown as installed
[06:34] <Kilos> you always breaking something, must be using unity
[06:35] <Langjan> ai soega man
[06:35] <Kilos> hahaha
[06:35] <Langjan> lmga!
[06:35] <Kilos> stop laughing and fix your broken things
[06:35] <Langjan> let me restart hexchat
[06:36] <Kilos> you should retart your linux experience and use kde
[06:37] <pavlushka> Langjan: you can take a look at here, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hexchat
[06:37] <Langjan> Jy is soos Salomo se vrou wat soos 'n kraan is wat drup - did they have taps in those days?
[06:37] <Langjan> thks pavlushka  will do
[06:38] <pavlushka> there the other dependencies mentioned which is needed for hexchat functionality
[06:41] <Langjan> It shows three downloads, must I do them all? They are tar.xz and dsc files, I usually have a torrid time with tar files
[06:41] <Kilos> lmga
[06:42] <Langjan> not funny when you old man
[06:42] <Kilos> wait
[06:42] <Kilos> try
[06:42] <Kilos> um
[06:42] <Kilos> apt-depends hexchat in terminal
[06:43] <Kilos> i not sure but maybe you can use gdebi to install what shows as missing dependancies
[06:44] <Kilos> gdebi normally does a good job getting dependancies
[06:45] <theblazehen> Morning all
[06:46] <Kilos> hi theblazehen
[06:47] <Langjan> Kilos, going for breakfast, chat later, thks pav
[06:47] <Langjan> pavlushka,
[06:47] <Kilos> enjoy
[06:51] <pavlushka> a blazing morning theblazehen :)
[06:51] <theblazehen> heh, hey pavlushka
[06:52] <pavlushka> How are you the theblazehen ?
[06:52] <theblazehen> Good and you pavlushka ?
[06:53] <pavlushka> theblazehen: I am getting close to life :p
[06:54] <theblazehen> pavlushka Heh, how so?
[06:54] <pavlushka> theblazehen: by living I guess :)
[06:54] <theblazehen> ah
[06:55]  * pavlushka scratches his head
[06:59] <Kilos> haha
[07:00] <Kilos> crazy deshi dude
[07:04] <nsnzero> morning all
[07:05] <theblazehen> hey nsnzero
[07:11] <nsnzero> hi theblazehen
[07:13] <nsnzero> yesterday i was playing around with some ntfs external drives - i used ntfs-config as suggested by 1 site
[07:14] <nsnzero> ntfs-config add the external drives to  fstab - whiich caused all sorts of problems when i booted up this morning
[07:16] <nsnzero> so what i learned from this - advice given on the web is not always  correct
[07:25] <MaNI> at least you didn't learn that via the whole 'now type rm -rf /` thing
[07:29] <nsnzero> its partly my fault - my eagerness to get things up and running bypasses my common-sense
[07:33] <nsnzero> morning MaNI btw
[07:46] <MaNI> morning
[07:47] <Kilos> hi MaNI poppingtonic
[07:47] <Kilos> hi thatgraemeguy
[08:08] <nsnzero> hi Kilos
[08:08] <Kilos> hi nsnzero
[08:18] <Langjan> Kilos, ek gaan julle verlaat, sterkte daar en kry weer ssm vit C en oordoseer jouself vir 'n paar dae.
[09:20] <inetpro> good mornings
[09:27] <inetpro> oh and that means hi to you oom Kilos as well :-)
[09:29] <Kilos> hehe
[09:50] <lunga> \q
[09:51] <Kilos> aw
[09:52] <thatgraemeguy> morning all
[10:13] <nsnzero> hi thatgraemeguy Langjan inetpro
[10:35] <ebusuku> Hi guys
[10:59] <paddatrapper> Hi ebusuku
[11:20] <nsnzero> hi there
[12:55] <kodez> join #angularjs
[13:47] <andrewlsd> Hi paddatrapper theblazehen ebusuku inetpro Mzolisto plustwo
[13:47] <andrewlsd> Hi poppingtonic I'm andrewlsd
[13:50] <andrewlsd> \o MaNI
[13:51] <MaNI> o\
[14:03] <ebusuku> hey guys
[14:04] <ebusuku> I'm not sure if this is the place to ask but, I'm looking to host a web application, which hosting provider do you guys recommend
[14:14] <paddatrapper> Hi andrewlsd
[14:35] <andrewlsd> \0\
[14:35] <andrewlsd> have a good weekend all
[14:35] <andrewlsd> \o\
[14:35] <andrewlsd> /o/
[14:35] <magellanic> hi andrewlsd
[14:35] <andrewlsd> hey magellanic
[14:47] <theblazehen> hey andrewlsd
[16:21] <Kilos-> ebusuku hang  around, someone will help you when they get a break
[16:22] <Kilos-> just be patient, most are travelling home then supper time before they settle down again
[16:36] <kulelu88> what's the issue? Kilos-
[16:37] <Kilos-> he wants to know of a good host for a web app
[16:38] <Kilos> kulelu88 ^^
[16:38] <kulelu88> what kind of host? PaaS? Metal? VPS?
[16:38] <Kilos> ebusuku ^^
[17:31] <superfly> ohi
[17:31] <Kilos> ohi superfly all good?
[17:31] <superfly> Kilos: how's the ticker holding up?
[17:31] <Kilos> still ticking along ty superfly
[17:31] <Kilos> hehe
[17:31] <superfly> Kilos: yes, got another call from Red Hat yesterday, did I tell you?
[17:31] <Kilos> no
[17:32] <Kilos> what they sy
[17:32] <superfly> Yup, got an interview with another team on Monday
[17:32] <Kilos> say
[17:32] <Kilos> great
[17:32] <Kilos> just now you can choose your team
[17:32] <superfly> and then they're going to try to schedule a second interview for the first team sometime next week too
[17:32] <Kilos> sjoe
[17:32] <superfly> yes, they seem quite eager, there might be a fight ;-)
[17:32] <Kilos> hope you get the best one
[17:32] <Kilos> haha
[17:40] <nsnzero> evening all
[17:43] <superfly> morning nsnzero
[17:43] <nsnzero> hi smile superfly
[17:43] <nsnzero> how is everything superfly ?
[17:45] <superfly> nsnzero: going well thanks. Had a call from Red Hat yesterday, got an interview with another team on Monday (there are at least 2 teams who are interested in me)
[17:45] <smile> Hi
[17:46] <superfly> smile: smile
[17:46] <nsnzero> great stuff superfly - i wish you all the best
[17:52] <nsnzero> installing lubuntu on a mini laptop - atom processor 512mb ram
[18:09] <nsnzero> goes all the then fails to install  grub
[18:12] <theblazehen> nsnzero Why not debootstrap manually?
[18:13] <nsnzero> i think the partitions arent setup properly - redoing from scratch
[18:13] <nsnzero> hi theblazehen btw
[18:14] <theblazehen> hi nsnzero
[18:15] <squish102> yip superfly, no lack of IT jobs here :)
[18:16] <squish102> we need like 5 linux admins, 5 windows admins, 2 exchange/AD admins, vmware admin and a couple more
[18:16] <squish102> that is only in OS engineering team
[18:17] <squish102> cannot find anyone :(
[18:33] <nsnzero> what do admin do ?
[18:34] <MaNI> can't find anyone because they would have to actually put up with squish102 *ducks*
[18:36] <superfly> squish102: who do you work for?
[18:37] <superfly> yeah, actually, there are TONS of jobs on Red Hat's site. I think half the reason I didn't initially think of applying for RH was because of information overload on their jobs page
[19:16] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight. those that arent here weekends have a good weekend
[19:18] <nsnzero> night Kilos
[19:18] <nsnzero> you have a great weekend too


[01:12] <Peddy> persia, I upgraded to Jaunty, and when I run my java application it says this: http://pastebin.com/m35c97c0. Do you know what this means?
[01:47] <Peddy> How would I automatically install the dependencies for building openjdk from source?
[01:59] <Peddy> persia, could you let me know when you get back to your computer? I've almost got everything sorted out, I just have a question about how to install the build-dependencies (apt-get build-dep openjdk returns with 'unable to satisfy depends'). Thanks.
[02:19] <Peddy> nevermind, I tried aptitude, and it fixes the dependecy loop automatically :)
[04:48] <Peddy> Does Sun's Java support playback through Pulseaudio?
[04:52] <persia> No.
[04:52] <persia> Well, OpenJDK is developed also largely by Sun, so in that sense it does, but the legacy Java doesn't.
[04:54] <Peddy> Ok, thanks.
[04:55] <Peddy> persia, I upgraded to Jaunty (as I'm sure you've realized by me constantly messaging you :/), and Jaunty does not yet have some of the libraries that I need to compile openJDK.
[04:55] <Peddy> with or without Pulesaudio enabled.
[04:56] <persia> Really?  Did you try with the Jaunty OpenJDK source?
[04:56] <Peddy> Yep, I'll show you what happens.
[04:56] <persia> Also, OpenJDK is compiled with pulseaudio support by default in jaunty (that's where I got the patch).
[04:57] <Peddy> So I could just do 'apt-get install openjdk-6-jre'?
[04:57] <Peddy> oh wow
[04:57] <Peddy> oh wow
[04:58] <Peddy> it just started working.
[04:58] <Peddy> I've been trying to get this working ALL DAY. And I just tried it again, and it started playing through Pulseaudio.
[04:58] <Peddy> openjdk couldn't open the file before, etc.
[04:58]  * Peddy is happy :)
[04:59] <persia> Excellent!
[04:59] <Peddy> Thanks for all your patience, persia :)
[05:01] <persia> Peddy, No problem.  Now, that application you wanted to run, is it packaged in Ubuntu?
[05:01] <Peddy> No, I'm running it straight from the .jnlp file, and it's not in the repos.
[05:02] <Peddy> Here's the SF page: http://softsqueeze.sourceforge.net/
[05:04] <Peddy> Why do you ask?
[05:05] <persia> After you've played with it a bit more, if you like it, you might consider packaging it.
[05:05] <persia> That way everyone can use a known working version.
[05:05] <Peddy> That sounds great
[05:07] <Peddy> Do you think it would be more sensible to package just the java program or the jre as well?
[05:07] <persia> Just the Java program.  The JRE is already packaged.
[05:07] <Peddy> of course :P
[05:19] <Peddy> persia, do you have a guide on how to create .dsc files?
[05:20] <persia> Heh.
[05:20] <persia> Generally, you create a .dsc file by being in a source directory with a clean debian/ and running `debuild -S`.
[05:20] <Peddy> also, should I unzip the .jar files (which contain the source code), when putting the stuff in the deb?
[05:21] <Peddy> I'm reading this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete
[05:21] <Peddy> ok
[05:21] <persia> I'd recommend putting the jar in the orig.tar.gz, and unzipping it at build time.
[05:21] <persia> Make sure you can get a source jar, with no .class files though.
[05:21] <Peddy> ok


[02:31] <duflu> RAOF: What's this new pointer type you've mentioned?
[02:31] <RAOF> Overly complicated and abandoned.
[02:31] <RAOF> :)
[02:31]  * RAOF -> lunch.
[02:32] <duflu> RAOF: Oh. I think Google made a good choice actually in abbreviating their template to "sp"
[02:33] <duflu> We could have a "ref" or "ptr" similarly. It would improve the readability of many lines of code
[02:33] <duflu> Although C++ should have done this for us :(
[03:24] <racarr_> I would probably vote for an SP alias...
[03:25] <racarr_> its not so bad by itself but when its like
[03:25] <racarr_> std::vector<std::shared_ptr<graphics::....
[03:25] <racarr_> I start to struggle sometimes ;)
[09:03] <duflu> Bleh. Why does even the simplest task end up not being simple?
[09:37] <duflu> alan_g: Hey I think I probably failed to document some enhancements by other people that I didn't understand. Feel free to add more entries to the changelog
[09:38] <alan_g> duflu: ack
[10:12] <duflu> Oh did vivid just get kernel 3.18 today?
[10:15] <duflu> Apparently it did
[14:26] <Saviq> hey guys, does this trace ring any bells https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/fc69b4f16d4d4571c83038bf9dc47b84135d9ced ?
[14:27] <Saviq> the exception msg I managed to find is:
[14:27] <Saviq> terminate called after throwing an instance of 'boost::exception_detail::clone_impl<boost::exception_detail::error_info_injector<std::runtime_error> >'
[14:27] <Saviq>   what():  Nested Mir Display Error: Failed to update EGL surface.
[14:34] <alan_g> Saviq: no bells. All it really says is "eglMakeCurrent() failed" (It doesn't fix the failure but we should at least record the error code!)
[14:35] <Saviq> alan_g, right, could be useful indeed
[14:38] <alan_g> I guess you've no context about when this happens?
[14:41] <Saviq> alan_g, during an AP test run
[14:42]  * Saviq tries to reproduce locall
[15:58] <mlankhorst> is rotation implemented on the server or do clients have to do their own rotation?
[16:28] <racarr_> Good morning!
[17:05] <racarr_> Ive been trying to figure out
[17:06] <racarr_> how to make the doxygen more useful...
[17:06] <racarr_> in particular the comments in tree
[17:06] <racarr_> I dont care that much abotu the generated output (perhaps thats a mistake)
[17:06] <racarr_> one idea is moving all the trivial comments
[17:06] <racarr_> e.g.
[17:06] <racarr_> mir_foo_get_baz
[17:06] <racarr_> retreives bazz from foo
[17:07] <racarr_> precondition foo is valid
[17:07] <racarr_> etc
[17:07] <racarr_> in to like
[17:07] <racarr_> trivial-comments.h
[17:07] <racarr_> so then in the header file there is only stuff you actually wanna read
[17:34] <racarr_> Landing https://code.launchpad.net/~mir-team/mir/fix-1407883/+merge/245703 to avoid CI failures