[00:03] <william56> anyone know if moddb or fileplanet allow resuming?
[00:24] <Grant-A> Hello, I am trying to set up a network in Xubuntu to connect to my Kubuntu laptop wirelessly, and I would like the network to only be visible to these two computers and to no one else, is NFS the best way to go with this?
[00:24] <Grant-A> It's a file sharing network, btw
[00:24] <Grant-A> I wanted to place a folder on my desktop that could be accessed by my laptop
[00:26] <lc2> Grant-A: no, nfs stinks
[00:26]  * lc2 is back, never misses a chance to bash NFS
[00:26] <lc2> Grant-A: try sshfs or something else that doesn't suck
[00:28]  * lc2 goes back to doing work
[00:29] <Grant-A> ok, I'll google it
[00:30] <lc2> Grant-A: you'll find it's a whole lot simpler, and on that scale, probably a lot more reliable as well
[00:30] <lc2> but wat do i no lol
[00:30]  * lc2 looks at work backlog, sighs, gets started
[00:30] <Grant-A> linux.com gives it a good review
[00:31] <Grant-A> Does it work over wireless well?
[00:31] <lc2> Grant-A: it doesn't care
[00:31] <Grant-A> ok
[00:31] <lc2> Grant-A: it seems to handle connection drops pretty well, if that's what you mean
[00:32] <lc2> gracefully, at least
[00:32] <lc2> kay this channel is too tempting to talk in
[00:32] <lc2> and i have to do thingsss
[00:32] <lc2> so bbl
[01:38] <terroxxx> hi all. I can't seem to work out how to downgrade Xubuntu. I want to go from 8.10 to 8.04.1
[01:42] <charlie-tca> The safe way to downgrade is to do a fresh install of 8.04.1
[01:45] <charlie-tca> terroxxx: Here is some information on doing a downgrade. Read all of it before starting, though:
[01:45] <charlie-tca> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DowngradeHowto
[01:51] <terroxxx> i'd do a fresh install but I've done a fair bit of custom stuff
[01:52] <charlie-tca> thus the help document :-)
[03:35] <AceBlade258> hello?
[03:35] <keb> you are here
[03:36] <AceBlade258> i... need help
[03:36] <keb> what sort of help
[03:36] <AceBlade258> i can't get my computer to boot any *buntu except xubuntu unless i unplug all of my sata disks
[03:37] <AceBlade258> then when i finally boo xubuntu i can't remount any of those disks
[03:37] <AceBlade258> *boot
[03:38] <keb> how are you booing now?
[03:38] <keb> i.e. with a cd or installed on hd?
[03:38] <AceBlade258> i have a spare pata drive i installed onto
[03:39] <AceBlade258> live c.d.'s all crash because of my graphics card
[03:39] <keb> have a look at the file /etc/fstab and see if your sata disks are in there
[03:41] <AceBlade258> no
[03:41] <AceBlade258> only my pata
[03:41] <keb> ok what about in /var/log/dmesg
[03:43] <AceBlade258> i can't tell, maybe
[03:44] <AceBlade258> i was trying to figure it out on my own and ran "sudo fdisk -l"
[03:44] <keb> did you see sata controllers
[03:44] <AceBlade258> in the terminal, and they show up in there
[03:45] <AceBlade258> yes
[03:45] <keb> hmm how did they show up when you did fdisk -l?
[03:45] <keb> i mean what did they look like
[03:46] <AceBlade258> The pata is labeles as /dev/sda and they are /dev/sdb, and /dev/sdc
[03:46] <AceBlade258> *labeled
[03:47] <keb> do you have the Mountable Devices icon in your taskbar?
[03:48] <AceBlade258> not that i can see
[03:49] <AceBlade258> when i plug it in it says it failed to mount
[03:49] <AceBlade258> oh... i forgot to say, they are NTFS
[03:49] <AceBlade258> sorry if that makes any diffirence
[03:50] <keb> ok you can add the icon by right clicking on an empty area in the taskbar and choosing Add and then find the Mount Devices item
[03:50] <AceBlade258> done
[03:51] <keb> hmm ntfs might need to have ntfs-3g installed
[03:51] <keb> what happens if you type ntfs-3g
[03:51] <AceBlade258> ntfs-3g: No device is specified.
[03:51] <AceBlade258> Please type 'ntfs-3g --help' for more information.
[03:52] <keb> ok so you ahve support for ntfs :)
[03:52] <keb> if you click the new Devices icon on your taskbar do you see the drives?
[03:52] <AceBlade258> it mounted once when i forced a driver install for the xubuntu live cd
[03:52] <AceBlade258> (driver for my graphics card)
[03:53] <AceBlade258> no
[03:53] <keb> btw you normally shouldnt plug/unplug sata drives unless both your motherboard and the drives are rated for hotplug, or they are in a external sata case
[03:53] <AceBlade258> only my / and /home partitions
[03:53] <keb> *when the system is on
[03:54] <AceBlade258> the drives are... the chipset is nForce 4 Ultra AMD
[03:54] <AceBlade258> i don't know if it is
[03:55] <keb> so if you boot xubuntu with the drives already plugged in, do they show up in the mount icon choices?
[03:56] <AceBlade258> if i boot with them pluged in it dosn't boot for some reason
[03:56] <AceBlade258> errnm -5 or somthing like that
[03:56] <keb> oic
[03:56] <AceBlade258> i know a bit about computers but i know it all in windows, and i'm truing to switch because linux has been more stable for me
[03:56] <AceBlade258> *trying
[03:57] <keb> maybe the boot error could be due to the drive boot order in the bios
[03:57] <AceBlade258> the linux kernel starts to load, and that's where that error pops up
[03:58] <keb> what is the last thing it shows
[04:00] <AceBlade258> it goes to a command line and starts showing one line over and over, all i can remember about the line is that it wnds in that errnum -5 thing
[04:00] <AceBlade258> *ends
[04:02] <AceBlade258> should we switch to a privet chat?
[04:02] <AceBlade258> i've never used IRC before
[04:02] <keb> ok what if you mkdir a manual mount point in /mnt and then try mounting manually
[04:02] <keb> thats ok, someone else might know more so its good to solve it here
[04:02] <AceBlade258> i'll give it a shot
[04:03] <keb> it would be like mount -t ntfs /dev/sdb /mnt/drive_C
[04:04] <keb> you might have to use sudo on the commands ;)
[04:04] <AceBlade258> i figured that out lol
[04:06] <AceBlade258> ahh, the device was marked as in use...
[04:06] <AceBlade258> due to an unclean shutdown
[04:06] <keb> whois using it?
[04:07] <keb> ah thats ntfs for ya.  you might be able to force the mount, or you will have to boot into windows and chkdsk /r on each drive
[04:08] <keb> and then reboot twice in windows
[04:08] <AceBlade258> i'm trying to force it
[04:09] <AceBlade258> haha! got it
[04:10] <AceBlade258> okay, how would i mount it like File System is (on the desktop)
[04:12] <keb> in your Settings Manager, if you go to Desktop there is a choice for what icons to display on desktop
[04:12] <keb> there are a checkboxes for removable devices and file systems
[04:13] <AceBlade258> got it, thanks a bunch
[04:13] <keb> i'm not sure that you can browse your sata ntfs drives that way though.  might not have permissions.
[04:14] <keb> you might have to mount them with the -o user option
[04:15] <AceBlade258> i actually did that (the command line told me to)
[04:15] <AceBlade258> now, how do i unmount?
[04:15] <keb> hehe cool
[04:16] <keb> try the icon on your taskbar
[04:16] <keb> or try right clicking the desktop icon for the drive
[04:19] <AceBlade258> got it, thanks a bunch
[04:20] <keb> :)
[04:20] <AceBlade258> anything i can do to repay you?
[04:21] <keb> help some other people converting from Windows :)
[04:22] <AceBlade258> already started that :) (so far i've converted my gf, and her friend and her bf)
[04:23] <keb> nice
[04:23] <keb> do they prefer xubuntu or kubuntu
[04:23] <AceBlade258> Ubuntu for gf and kubuntu for the other two
[04:24] <AceBlade258> (kubuntu has more eye candy)
[04:24] <keb> yep
[04:24] <keb> if you have a fancy machine, ubuntu-studio is impressive
[04:24] <keb> but here we celebrate xubuntu :D
[04:25] <AceBlade258> i was going for ubuntu studio but i got lucky with xubuntu (my hardware can handel studio easly though)
[04:28] <peepsalot> a swap partition is not mandatory is it?
[04:28] <keb> it is not
[04:32] <keb> but general opinion last i heard is that the system will operate more smoothly with one
[04:33] <maxamillion> 5645/win 6
[04:34] <maxamillion> err... sorry
[04:54] <mynameisdave> nice job guys
[04:55] <mynameisdave> my graphics card finally can do transparencies :D
[04:55] <mynameisdave> running from the latest 8.10 xubuntu
[04:56] <mynameisdave> I should say true transparency
[04:57] <mynameisdave> which means you should see applications behind the transparent window instead of the desktop
[04:57] <AceBlade258> what card?
[04:57] <mynameisdave> the card did not work before
[04:57] <mynameisdave> in the order releases of ubuntu
[04:58] <AceBlade258> my bad, what kind of card, i.e. GeForce xxxx, Radeon xxxx
[04:59] <mynameisdave> ati Radeon XPRESS 200M
[04:59] <mynameisdave> it finally does true transparencies :D
[04:59] <mynameisdave> it is awesome :D
[05:00] <AceBlade258> transparancies are indeed awesom
[05:00] <AceBlade258> *awesome
[05:00] <CarolineK> oh man y'all I need some serious help
[05:00] <AceBlade258> how do you figure?
[05:01] <CarolineK> i am trying to install xubuntu on a flash drive through that unetbootin
[05:01] <CarolineK> i'm on an eeepc 900
[05:01] <mynameisdave> compiz should work if transparencies work right ?
[05:01] <AceBlade258> yes to dave
[05:01] <mynameisdave> COOL
[05:02] <CarolineK> and it boots to the loading screen and then the xubuntu logo goes away and my screen gets all stripey (seriously)
[05:02] <mynameisdave> I could never get it to work before
[05:02] <CarolineK> and i don't think it is actually installing
[05:02] <AceBlade258> what is installed in the ee pc now?
[05:02] <mynameisdave> I did 3d for games though
[05:02] <CarolineK> default xandros, easy mode
[05:02] <mynameisdave> but the transparencies was not true transparency when I did it
[05:03] <AceBlade258> how did you make the flash drive?
[05:03] <CarolineK> with unetbootin and a .torrent file i found on eeeuser.com
[05:03] <AceBlade258> do you have access to any other computers?
[05:04] <CarolineK> yeah, i am on another one right now
[05:04] <AceBlade258> okay, give me one minuet
[05:04] <CarolineK> thank you so much
[05:05] <mynameisdave> how do you do the cube with compiz AceBlade258 I have only use that with berly
[05:05] <mynameisdave> and I do not know how to do that with compiz
[05:06] <AceBlade258> i dont use compiz much, sorry
[05:07] <AceBlade258> and caroline, do you know what a virtual machine is?
[05:07] <CarolineK> i might but explain it to me
[05:08] <AceBlade258> it is software that emulates a computer, but if you don't know off the top of your head, never mind (this method was kind of complex) ;-)
[05:08] <AceBlade258> do you have a blank cd?
[05:09] <AceBlade258> and a cd burner
[05:09] <CarolineK> i do, but i just got the flash drive to boot on another computer, so it must be the eeepc
[05:09] <AceBlade258> oh? hmmm
[05:10] <CarolineK> trying again with a different usb port
[05:10] <CarolineK> this is frustrating!!
[05:10] <AceBlade258> i regrettably have never used an eeepc
[05:10] <AceBlade258> you should have seen me earlier
[05:10] <AceBlade258> lol
[05:11] <AceBlade258> do you normally use linux?
[05:11] <CarolineK> no i am only windows
[05:11] <mynameisdave> WINBLOWS
[05:11] <CarolineK> which makes it even worse. :)
[05:11] <CarolineK> yeah yeah
[05:12] <AceBlade258> i was too, are you tied to windows by software you need?
[05:12] <CarolineK> OH OH
[05:12] <CarolineK> Apparently that USB port is bad
[05:12] <CarolineK> tied to windows by school.
[05:12] <CarolineK> i am in law school and must use windows to take exams
[05:12] <AceBlade258> ah
[05:13] <CarolineK> but, I did get xubuntu to load up!
[05:13] <AceBlade258> the controller might tell it to reset at a certen point when you don't want that to happen
[05:13] <AceBlade258> and yay
[05:13] <CarolineK> so how to I install it to the drive and get rid of the other OS?
[05:13] <AceBlade258> what is on the screen right now?
[05:14] <CarolineK> well that big button that says install might do it
[05:14] <AceBlade258> lol
[05:14] <AceBlade258> how big is the drive on the eeepc ? and how much ram does it have?
[05:14] <CarolineK> this one is tiny, it's only 4gig
[05:15] <CarolineK> i have an 8gig sd card
[05:15] <Odd-rationale> depends... i think it get a big as 8gb
[05:15] <Odd-rationale> and 2gb ram...
[05:15] <Odd-rationale> no, 1 i think..
[05:15] <CarolineK> mine is 1gig
[05:15] <CarolineK> you can update to 2 w/o voiding warranty
[05:16] <AceBlade258> if you have the money always upgrade ram
[05:16] <mynameisdave> TRANPARENCIES :D
[05:16] <AceBlade258> not on an eeepc
[05:16] <mynameisdave> lemote pcs are nice
[05:16] <mynameisdave> no 3d though
[05:17] <CarolineK> well now it says "partitions formatting"
[05:17] <CarolineK> so thank you for at least talking to me so i did not feel hopeless
[05:17] <AceBlade258> oh... it's an auto installer... yuck
[05:17] <AceBlade258> no problem
[05:17] <CarolineK> hey man, the easier the better of me
[05:17] <CarolineK> for me*
[05:17] <AceBlade258> indeed
[05:17] <CarolineK> y'all have a great night, and thank you SO MUCH
[05:18] <AceBlade258> at least for a beginer
[05:18] <AceBlade258> oops, now i seem like an ass...
[05:19] <AceBlade258> ... hello world
[05:19] <mynameisdave> the first thing you do  in programing
[05:19] <mynameisdave> "HELLO WORLD"
[05:19] <AceBlade258> indeed, my point exactly
[05:20] <mynameisdave> and bash scripting
[05:20] <mynameisdave> I remember that
[05:21] <mynameisdave> what is the latest version of ubuntu called ?
[05:21] <AceBlade258> intrepid ibex
[05:22] <AceBlade258> why?
[05:22] <mynameisdave> need to know for sources file
[05:24] <AceBlade258> ah
[05:48] <princedugan> I can't get pcsx to work. choosing "Run CD" crashes it
[06:31] <Ultraputz> how likely is it that a working, booting xubuntu (current install) can swapped to another machine and can be expected to boot?
[06:39] <princedugan> you mean taking the harddrive with xubuntu on it, and pluggin it into another machine?
[06:40] <Ultraputz> yeah
[06:42] <Ultraputz> bbiab
[06:46] <AceBlade258> Help
[06:46] <princedugan> I've done this with many different Linux Distros include older versions of ubuntu. It not only works, but sometimes works on machines that wuld not work with an attempted installtion on the machine itself. I don't see why this would be a problem.
[06:48] <AceBlade258> i cannot boot with my sata hdd's connected
[06:48] <princedugan> sata's are hotpluggable right?
[06:48] <AceBlade258> to any *buntu distro, and yes
[06:49] <AceBlade258> ugg, they won't mount when i plug them in once i have booted
[06:50] <princedugan> not mounting in GUI or comman-line?
[06:50] <AceBlade258> gui, and i have to force them to mount in command line
[06:53] <AceBlade258> how do i delete a directory i dont want
[06:53] <AceBlade258> (that i made)
[06:55] <AceBlade258> i.e. /Media
[06:59] <Ultraputz> princedugan, thanks
[07:01] <Ultraputz> a friend of mine gave me an old medion, which is an improvement on the present box.
[07:30] <calamari> hi
[07:31] <calamari> I am trying to help out a newbie running xfce, unfortunately I've got KDE on my box.. if she puts in a floppy, is there a GUI way to mount & access that floppy?
[08:22] <boghog> hello. i just installed xubuntu on an old(ish) acer laptop with integrated intel graphics (i815), but it seems to be using the 800x600 resolution by default while my screen is 1024x768. im not able to change this through the settings manager (it only lets me pick 800x600 or 640x480). does anyone know what I can do to fix this?
[08:23] <boghog> do I need to add something to my xorg.conf?
[08:24] <boghog> oh nevermind I found something through google (http://hi.baidu.com/chplj/blog/item/dd46dcc42cae75c939db49fb.html)
[09:22] <boghog> bah I still can't fix the resolution on my laptop
[09:22] <boghog> I tried installing 915resolution but it doesn't seem to exist anymore (apt-get doesn't find it)
[09:22] <boghog> I also tried adding the Modes option to a display section in xorg.conf and then restarting xorg but that didn't help either
[09:32] <nunu> Hi, I got a freh xubuntu installed, and my default user is in the sudo group but i can't use synaptic. can anyone help?
[12:52] <generalsnus> hi guys. is it possible make a wireless access point with a laptop with x2 wlan cards? as in: recive a wireless signal on wlan card 1.. and have the other wlan card act as a AP.. kinda like a repeater
[13:00] <ablomen> generalsnus, it should be, take a look at iptables, you can route with that
[13:01] <generalsnus> ok.. but how do i make 1 wireless card act as AP.. give it ssid and such?
[13:02] <ablomen> i think (this is out of memmory, not sure) there is an option in network manager to create a new wireless network
[13:06] <generalsnus> hmm
[13:07] <ablomen> generalsnus, http://projects.gnome.org/NetworkManager/ << see the screenshot on that page
[13:09] <generalsnus> yeah.. i tried.. made a new..with ssid "test".. but then it just tries to connect to test.. didnt really work as a AP
[13:09] <ablomen> ah
[13:10] <ablomen> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Adhoc
[13:17] <generalsnus> ablomen: ok gonna try this
[13:56] <knubbe> is xubuntu still focused on older(slower) machines?
[13:57] <Myrtti> to the extent of definition of older and slower
[13:59] <knubbe> Myrtti: ok, thanks.
[13:59] <Myrtti> ie. you define old and slow, and I'll tell if xubuntu is meant to be run on it
[14:00] <Myrtti> the requirements have gone up since the early days, but not too much
[14:00] <AlexPersimmon> hihi how can I use local mirror of openoffice to install it? can I use debian files?
[14:01] <Myrtti> AlexPersimmon: tell me what you mean with debian files?
[14:01] <AlexPersimmon> I mean http://mirror.yandex.ru/openoffice/debian/
[14:01] <knubbe> Myrtti: i think its a 1.4ghz intel celeron(m). laptop. 2gb ram.
[14:01] <Myrtti> AlexPersimmon: are the other computers using the local mirror Debian machines?
[14:01] <Myrtti> knubbe: that's not even old
[14:01] <Myrtti> knubbe: should run fine with xubuntu
[14:02] <knubbe> Myrtti: i suppose thats a definition as well. its 3 or 4 years now.
[14:02] <Myrtti> anything with more than 512M of RAM isn't old :-)
[14:02] <knubbe> if you say so ;-)
[14:02] <AlexPersimmon> launchpad is slow so I`d like soomething closer to me but there seems to be no ubuntued versions around
[14:03] <Myrtti> AlexPersimmon: if the package is meant especially for Debian, I'd rather not use it
[14:03] <AlexPersimmon> well ok then are you aware of any OO mirrors directed at ubuntu?
[14:04] <knubbe> Myrtti: im running kubuntu today and experience its quite slow. im not interested in fancy effects whatsoever just as long as my development-environment works. ive been recommended to look at openbox. do you have any experience in openbox vs. xfce?
[14:04] <Myrtti> knubbe: sorry, I don't.
[14:04] <knubbe> ok, will do some more googling
[14:05] <AlexPersimmon> well nobody seems to know so since I`m here, how can I change layout with keyboard?
[14:06] <AlexPersimmon> I mean how to set up hotkeys for it
[14:52] <knubbe> I also find it weird that it installed gdm now. Is xfce related to gdm somehow?
[14:56] <jarnos> knubbe: apt-cache depends xubuntu-desktop | grep gdm
[15:04] <knubbe> jarnos: ah, thanks. (yes, Depends: gdm)
[15:06] <jarnos> knubbe: lxde is lighter than xubuntu-desktop
[15:07] <knubbe> ok. too late now though.
[15:07] <jarnos> knubbe: but I dislike it depends on xscreensaver.
[15:07] <jarnos> knome: how it is too late?
[15:08] <jarnos> knubbe: ^
[15:08] <knubbe> jarnos: already installed xubuntu-desktop now.
[15:08] <knubbe> jarnos: lightning adsl!
[15:08] <knubbe> ;-)
[15:08] <jarnos> knubbe: but you can try to install them both and choose in gdm which session to use.
[15:08] <knubbe> jarnos: where do i find lxde? is that also a meta-package?
[15:09] <jarnos> knubbe: yes, in ubuntu 8.10
[15:10] <jarnos> knubbe: actually lxde is based on openbox.
[15:10] <knubbe> jarnos: i cant find the package? is it a non-official repo?
[15:10] <jarnos> knubbe: universe
[15:16] <knubbe> ok. it seems like if my sources.list wasnt updated on the last upgrade. it still says hardy everywhere.
[15:43] <jarnos> knubbe: that is odd.
[15:44] <knubbe> wasnt really. it appears i havent upgraded.
[16:55] <Pierocska> Hi there everybody! how are you doing today?
[16:57] <Pierocska> Guys, I have a question, which services could I switch off to gain speed since I have a really old Amd K6II400 mhz 484mb ram?
[16:58] <jarnos> Pierocska: Which function is too slow to you?
[16:59] <Pierocska> Well when I open any window I have to wait like a couple of seconds
[17:01] <jarnos> Pierocska: You have to choose lighter windows. I did not mean Windows ;)
[17:01] <Pierocska> Ok :D
[17:01] <Pierocska> Whaqt would you suggest?
[17:02] <Pierocska> Do you think it's normal that the processor is always working at 100%?
[17:03] <Pierocska> And another thing.. Is it normal that i have a ntfs partition?
[17:03] <Pierocska> Shouldn't It be something else?
[17:04] <Pierocska> I don't even have a swap partition..
[17:05] <jarnos> Pierocska: No. I think current Firefox (or plugins or add-ons) are heavy. But I still use them: Firefox & NoScript to block Flash when not needed.
[17:05] <Pierocska> Actually UI'm not talking about firefox
[17:05] <Pierocska> I just have the system monitor opened..
[17:06] <jarnos> Pierocska: Then it is gnome-system-monitor that is too heavy.
[17:06] <Pierocska> Oh ok..
[17:06] <Pierocska> how can I use another on?
[17:06] <Pierocska> But wasn't xubunto supposed not to use gnome?
[17:06] <Pierocska> one
[17:07] <jarnos> Pierocska: it is a compromize. Try htop.
[17:07] <Pierocska> htop thx
[17:08] <Pierocska> Basically when I wanna install another application i
[17:08] <Pierocska> I should find it in the synaptics manager?
[17:08] <jarnos> Pierocska: or you can make update interval longer in System monitor.
[17:09] <Pierocska> Good idea..
[17:09] <jarnos> Pierocska: actually intervals (in preferences).
[17:10] <Pierocska> I should sMuch better
[17:10] <Pierocska> Much better
[17:10] <Pierocska> You're a genius
[17:11] <Pierocska> Any Idea to remove the flicker in the logon screen?
[17:11] <jarnos> Pierocska: I guess have played aroung longer.
[17:12] <Pierocska> Since yesterday it became much faster though..
[17:12] <jarnos> Pierocska: hmm?
[17:13] <Pierocska> Like the machine
[17:13] <jarnos> Pierocska: was it even slower yesterday?
[17:13] <Pierocska> It is much faster now
[17:13] <Pierocska> Much more
[17:13] <jarnos> Pierocska: good.
[17:13] <Pierocska> But when I put 16bit depth it became another thing..
[17:13] <jarnos> Pierocska: Just because of adding interval?
[17:13] <Pierocska> Also
[17:14] <jarnos> Pierocska: 16bit depth where?
[17:14] <Pierocska> Now moving the window around is smooth
[17:14] <Pierocska> in the xorg
[17:14] <Pierocska> But I did that before
[17:15] <jarnos> Pierocska: what bitdepth you use now?
[17:15] <Pierocska> I guess 16
[17:15] <Pierocska> I think the default was 24
[17:15] <Pierocska> But I am not good at checking data..
[17:16] <Pierocska> I don't know where to find the information
[17:16] <Sinister> im using devede and it takes 2 hours to convert a avi i have it on higest resalution does it make a differnce ?
[17:16] <Pierocska> But the logon screen has different dis
[17:17] <Pierocska> display settings..
[17:17] <Pierocska> Is that normal?
[17:19] <jarnos> Pierocska: I have came across the problem.
[17:20] <jarnos> Pierocska: Do you mean your login screen does not fit in display?
[17:22] <Pierocska> Also
[17:22] <Pierocska> But It also flickers so bad that It looks like my monitor wants so explode..
[17:22] <Pierocska> :D
[17:23] <Pierocska> And I can tell that It has indeed a different resolution
[17:28] <Pierocska> Changing the windows manager makes miracles...
[17:28] <Pierocska> crazy..
[17:36] <jarnos> Pierocska: Yes. There should be a way to change video mode of the login screen, too.
[17:37] <jarnos> Pierocska: something can be done by editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf, but that is not elegant.
[17:38] <washeck> Hi all. Anyone willing to help me debug X freezes in 8.10?
[17:40] <Pierocska> mh..
[17:40] <Pierocska> WS
[17:40] <Pierocska> Well if it works..
[17:40] <Pierocska> Do you know how?
[17:42] <washeck> well, I first need to find out what the problem is
[17:42] <washeck> once in while, lets say every hour my x session freezes
[17:42] <washeck> I'm not sure if it is xfce or x.org problem
[17:43] <washeck> the window manager stops responding, keyboard is ignored and the only thing that works is the mouse cursor
[17:43] <washeck> if I kill X with Ctrl+Alt+Backspace I can work next hour or so
[17:45] <charlie-tca> washeck: if the cursor moves, can you use ctrl+alt+F2 to switch to a tty? you can use top there and maybe find what is freezign
[17:45] <washeck> well, I tried but the thing is that the terminal is also not working on my laptop
[17:46] <charlie-tca> Frozen or don't come up?
[17:46] <washeck> I don't know if it's xubuntu bug or something but I don't have any terminals
[17:46] <charlie-tca> It is a known xorg bug
[17:46] <washeck> no login screen, just blank screen with text mode cursor
[17:46] <charlie-tca> cursor on the bottom?
[17:46] <washeck> top
[17:47] <washeck> so it is quite difficult to debug
[17:47] <washeck> when X is frozen and there is no terminal
[17:47] <charlie-tca> try hitting enter a few times and see if anything comes up. It might be screen size is too big
[17:47] <washeck> nothing
[17:48] <washeck> I should probably say I have dual-head setup
[17:48] <washeck> if it matters
[17:48] <charlie-tca> To debug the freeze, you can open system monitor and keep on eye on the cpu. Then you might be able to scroll it when it freezes and find the app
[17:48] <charlie-tca> By killing the app stealing the cpu, it should unfreeze
[17:49] <charlie-tca> I would look for updatedb
[17:49] <washeck> well, how should I kill it if the X session is frozen?
[17:49] <washeck> I have only mouse cursor
[17:49] <washeck> and I don't suspect updatedb as there is no disk activity
[17:50] <charlie-tca> using the mouse, right clidk the Process Name, left click kill
[17:50] <charlie-tca> Keep the system monitor open to Processes
[17:50] <washeck> well, I was probably not clear enough - the cursor moves but X does not respond to clicking :)
[17:51] <washeck> it's really just the cursor itself
[17:51] <charlie-tca> I had to do this before to find the issue on mine. Then keep an eye on processes and try to find what is freezing.
[17:51] <Pierocska> Anyone can tell me how to set the log on screen display settings?
[17:51] <charlie-tca> It either takes all the memory or cpu
[17:51] <charlie-tca> Pierocska: sudo /etc/usplash.conf
[17:52] <washeck> > It is a known xorg bug
[17:52] <washeck> do you know the bug id?
[17:52] <charlie-tca> washeck: not off the top of my head
[17:53] <washeck> anyway, I'll try to find it myself
[17:53] <washeck> without working terminal I don't thing I can make any progress
[17:53] <charlie-tca> Pierocska: add "xres=1024" and "yres=768" on two lines; use the res you want
[17:54] <charlie-tca> i think that should change it
[17:54] <Pierocska> and what about the refresh? Will this effect the logon sceen?
[17:54] <Pierocska> screen
[17:54] <charlie-tca> Leave out the quotes
[17:55] <charlie-tca> I don't know if it will change the refresh rate
[17:59] <Pierocska> Is it normal that I have an ntfs partition?
[17:59] <charlie-tca> If you have windows
[18:00] <cody-somerville> If you have Windows
[18:00] <Pierocska> ok
[18:01] <Pierocska> When I start xubuntu it goes in text mode and it shows me that it's checking the swap file or partition
[18:01] <Pierocska> And till I don't press control alt and del it wont't start
[18:01] <Pierocska> How can I fix this?
[18:03] <jarnos> charlie-tca: I guess you meant "sudo nano /etc/usplash.conf" or something like that.
[18:04] <charlie-tca> Oh yeah! you are right
[18:04]  * charlie-tca brain is faster than fingers
[18:05] <Pierocska> I'm trying thanks for the help guys
[18:05] <charlie-tca> no problem.
[18:06] <jarnos> charlie-tca: But after editing it is supposed to update initramfs somehow?
[18:07] <charlie-tca> I think so. I usually restart after and it works
[18:07] <jarnos> charlie-tca: There is some note in the file.
[18:07] <charlie-tca> O-oh I forgot the restart too!
[18:07] <charlie-tca> Yes, it should be just a comment (starts with #)
[18:08] <Pierocska> Mh I guess I did something wrong..
[18:08] <charlie-tca> what happened?
[18:09] <Pierocska> When I reboot It gives me a screen full of gibberish
[18:09] <Pierocska> and it won't start the os
[18:09] <Pierocska> ..
[18:09] <charlie-tca> no grub menu?
[18:09] <Pierocska> mh..
[18:09] <Pierocska> What is grab?
[18:09] <Pierocska> grub?
[18:10] <Pierocska> The one that makes you select which os to load?
[18:10] <charlie-tca> grub is the boot menu for ubuntu. yes, lets you select the os. Use the recovery option
[18:11] <Pierocska> ok
[18:11] <charlie-tca> and you can then go to a prompt and edit usplash again.
[18:11] <Pierocska> ok now I have grub
[18:11] <Pierocska> now i selected recovery mode
[18:11] <Aquina> hy
[18:12] <Pierocska> now lots of gibberish...
[18:12] <charlie-tca> Take those lines out or change the numbers. What did you use?
[18:12] <charlie-tca> Aquina: hi
[18:12] <charlie-tca> gibberish as in text?
[18:13] <Pierocska> yes
[18:13] <charlie-tca> it is okay. let it work
[18:13] <Pierocska> but then it seems frozen
[18:13] <charlie-tca> give it a chance to work
[18:13] <Aquina> Has anyone in here ever installed Opera v9.5x *.deb packages? Can I install the newer ones over the old ones or am I forced to uninstal the old installation first?
[18:15] <Pierocska> I'm still waiting but nothing..
[18:16] <charlie-tca> hard drive working? What did you set it too?
[18:16] <Pierocska> If I press enter the nonsense text moves
[18:17] <Pierocska> but nothing else
[18:17] <charlie-tca> What is the last line?
[18:17] <Pierocska> before the nonsense?
[18:17] <charlie-tca> yes
[18:18] <Pierocska> mh.. too fast to tell..
[18:18] <charlie-tca> what is the nonsense? is it a prompt, like ubuntu@ubuntu?
[18:18] <Pierocska> nope just random characters
[18:19] <charlie-tca> try changing tty (Alt+f2)
[18:20] <Pierocska> Mh...
[18:20] <Pierocska> Nothing
[18:21] <Pierocska> Welél
[18:21] <Pierocska> They become all c
[18:21] <charlie-tca> What becomes all c
[18:21] <Pierocska> The random text becomes all cs and dots when I press alt f2
[18:22] <Pierocska> And if I press alt f1 it becomes all striped
[18:23] <charlie-tca> Sounds like it is time to use the livecd. Boot to it, mount the drive and change usplash back.
[18:23] <charlie-tca> I think your resolution went too high, but I am not sure.
[18:24] <Pierocska> ok
[18:24] <Pierocska> I'll try
[18:27] <ken52> I am trying to create an ssh launcher on Xubuntu 8.04 as I can on Ubuntu 7.x or 8.x no luck.  Xubuntu does not seem to have a "location" type launcher.  Any other suggestions to connect to a remote server? I can ssh in a terminal, however, I am looking for a GUI type connection for transferring files. TAI
[18:27] <ken52> That should be TIA :-)
[18:30] <Pierocska> is it possible to make the changes from windows 2000?
[18:35] <Aquina> Can I upadate a paket via apt-get (the corresponding repo was addad later) I originally installed from a .deb file? The packet is opera (v9.52) and the newly added opera repo provides me with v9.63
[18:35] <Aquina> Or is it wiser to uninstall the opera paket with "sudo dpkg -r opera" first?
[18:47] <mib_bq3y5k> hello guys. xubuntu installer no matter what will halt at partition manager (never loads)
[18:48] <nkour> anyone has any ideas how to skip partition manager step?
[18:50] <ken52> Just a thought - have you done a media check on the CD you are installing from?
[18:50] <nkour> ken52: everything seems to work fine. it says it's loading but nothing is showing up. I'm chatting via xubuntu now (live cd)
[18:53] <nkour> no issues on the installer no output in console
[18:54] <ken52> knour: I installed Xubuntu in a VMWare virtual machine (on a Ubuntu  host) just to try it out before installing on an old PC.  I think VMWare Workstation handled the formatting so I am not sure what roll the partitioner played.
[18:55] <vidd> anyone know how to set up a RaLink RT2500 wifi card?
[18:55] <nkour> ken52: ok..
[18:56] <vidd> I used module-assistant and and it says it fails to build
[19:01] <vidd> where does module-assistant store log files?
[19:33] <android60> how do i enable desktop effects in 8.10 ?
[19:35] <cody-somerville> android60, http://xubuntublog.wordpress.com/2007/12/09/xubuntu-compiz-pretty-pretty-xubuntu/
[19:35] <android60> ok thanks
[19:36] <MrMazda> will xfce be materially better than kde @ 400MHz with 160M RAM on ancient laptop?
[19:37] <vidd> MrMazda, define "materially"
[19:37] <android60> lol
[19:37] <MrMazda> like KDE with 256M vs KDE with 1G
[19:37] <vidd> i assume since it WILL run, that is a plus
[19:38] <vidd> idk if you can even GET KDE to run on those specs
[19:38] <vidd> at least, not the 4.0 KDE
[19:39] <MrMazda> dumb student cousin of good friend paid $250 for 1998 Thinkpad with illegal WinXP, and I need to pick a distro and install it
[19:39] <vidd> MrMazda, for such low system, i would recommend ubuntu-cli +lxde desktop
[19:40] <MrMazda> this kid/student is a dimbulb who needs "easy"
[19:40] <MrMazda> I never heard of lxde
[19:40] <vidd> www.lxde.org
[19:41] <MrMazda> so I just apt-get install lxde-desktop on server install?
[19:42] <vidd> yep
[19:42] <MrMazda> thx
[19:42] <vidd> actually..."sudo apt-get install lxde"
[19:42] <MrMazda> not lxde-desktop?
[19:42] <vidd> let me double-check....
[19:43] <vidd> correct...not -desktop
[19:43] <MrMazda> ok thx
[19:43] <vidd> np
[19:44] <vidd> its not as "fancy" as xfce, but also not as hefty either
[19:45] <vidd> you might also want to compare xfce and lxde on that machine.....
[19:45] <jarnos> Maybe someday it is lxubuntu-desktop https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxde-common/+bug/303320
[19:45] <vidd> see if the speed boost vs functionality limit is worth the trade-off
[19:48] <vidd> jarnos, i looked at that bug report...i dont think it really applies anymore....
[19:48] <vidd> the lxde package seems to install all needed stuff by default
[19:48] <MrMazda> his concept of "speed" would be below avg, as he's used to winbloat running AV bloat layer
[19:49] <vidd> abiword and gnumaric are "nice to have" but some prefer other apps, and others just dont need them at all
[19:49] <vidd> MrMazda, from that, i would suggest just the default xubuntu-desktop then
[19:50] <MrMazda> that's what I was thinking
[19:50] <vidd> the added functionality may b worth the tiny loss in speed (that he actually would never notice because he wont see the other version)
[19:51] <vidd> plus you can always remove items you dont want
[19:51] <vidd> the only thing that bothers me is the recent "install-recommends" being active by default
[19:52] <vidd> this is adding unneeded bloat to an otherwise tight DE
[19:53] <jarnos> vidd: maybe you are right. Actually it bugs me that current lxde has too many dependencies like xscreensaver. Can you make it lock screen when you suspend?
[19:53] <jarnos> vidd: I can make gnome-screensaver do that.
[19:54] <vidd> jarnos, i havent actually tried......
[19:54] <vidd> i HATE the screen locking when i go to the bathroom or smoke a cig...or make the (third) pot of coffee =]
[19:55] <MrMazda> are there no isos for xubuntu -> not found http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu-releases/xubuntu/8.10/
[19:56] <vidd> but i dont use it in an office environment so locking the desktop is not important to me
[19:57] <vidd> MrMazda, the alt-cd of any version or the mini-iso will work fine.....
[19:58] <vidd> choose the cli-only option, and then, after reboot, "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[19:58] <MrMazda> vidd: just asking - I have a ku8.10alt
[19:58] <vidd> MrMazda, that will work fine
[19:59] <vidd> cli+xubuntu-desktop just takes a touch longer then xubuntu-desktop
[20:00] <vidd> but i prefer the cli+ option, even with the "correct" install disk, because i disable the "install-recommends" before installing the desktop
[20:12] <MrMazda> vidd: dunno what you mean about that difference, or disabling install-recommends
[20:13] <vidd> by default, 8.10+ set apt to auto-mark "recommended" packages as "required" packages
[20:13] <vidd> this makes your system install more apps then prior versions of *buntu would
[20:14] <MrMazda> how does one switch that off?
[20:16] <vidd> you go into the config folder and set it not install recommends.....
[20:17] <vidd> 'i need to access the system i did this on to get the exact syntax....
[20:17] <MrMazda> "folder", with no gui installed yet?
[20:17]  * vidd has too many systems....=]
[20:18] <vidd> yep....its not as hard as it sounds =]
[20:19]  * MrMazda wonders how mc finds "folders"
[20:20] <vidd> MrMazda, if you "apt-get install --no-install-recommends" you will be able to get the gui without all the bloat to make it easier on yourself
[20:21] <vidd> feel any better?
[20:22] <MrMazda> vidd: :-)
[20:22] <vidd> but that is just the "short-term" or "as needed" fix
[20:23] <vidd> if you want to permanantly disable that function, you need to modify apt's config files
[20:23] <MrMazda> gotcha
[20:23] <vidd> (again...not as hard as it sounds"
[20:24] <jarnos> vidd: About lxubuntu-desktop: some people may want a live-CD.
[20:25] <vidd> jarnos, a live cd defeats the entire purpose of lxde
[20:25] <jarnos> vidd: how?
[20:25] <vidd> lxde is for systems that dont have the ram to run a live cd =]
[20:26] <vidd> imo
[20:26]  * vidd isnt a fan of live cd's anyway
[20:28] <vidd> jarnos, did you see my answer?
[20:28] <jarnos> vidd: which one?
[20:28] <vidd> lxde is for systems that dont have the ram to run a live cd
[20:28] <alienkid> how do you install themes?
[20:29] <vidd> alienkid, you unpack the theme in your themes folder
[20:29] <alienkid> it won't let me put anything in it
[20:29] <jarnos> vidd: yes. But it could be used as a live cd in systems having enough ram (but not too much ram). Besides it could be used to install a working de.
[20:30] <alienkid> in usr/share/themes
[20:30] <vidd> alienkid, try to "sudo" unpack it there
[20:31] <vidd> jarnos, i would definantly never use a live cd to install anything on any system i own
[20:31]  * vidd never had much luck with live cd installs
[20:31] <jarnos> vidd: or alternative cd
[20:31] <vidd> alt cd is fine....
[20:32] <vidd> but, anyone who knows about lxde should also know how to "sudo apt-get install lxde"
[20:32] <alienkid> ok sudo moved it put when I pick it, it doesn't look like screen shots of it from xfce look
[20:33] <vidd> but you have been able to select it?
[20:34] <alienkid> yes
[20:34] <vidd> ok...my job is done =]
[20:35] <vidd> dunno why it dont look right though
[20:35] <vidd> you might want to contact the author
[20:35] <alienkid> its a murrie theme
[20:35] <alienkid> crystal
[20:36] <vidd> dunno
[20:36] <alienkid> how can I change the write permissions for the /usr/share/themes dir??
[20:37] <vidd> alienkid, sudo chmod [permissionset]
[20:37] <vidd> ie sudo chmod 777 /path/to/folder
[20:37] <alienkid> thanks
[20:37] <alienkid> 777??
[20:38] <vidd> the sequence is [owner] [group] [other]
[20:38] <vidd> 7= read+write+execute
[20:39] <alienkid> ahh
[20:40] <alienkid> thanks
[20:41] <vidd> bah....what is the command to scan for wifi networks?
[20:42] <vidd> nvmd i got it
[20:43] <jarnos> vidd: btw. is there an alternative cd without a de?
[20:43] <vidd> jarnos, all the alt cd's let you do cli only
[20:45] <jarnos> vidd: I know, but if you want to use lxde, there is a lot of extra to download.
[20:47] <vidd> jarnos, if you want to use xfce, there is a lot of extra to download
[20:48] <vidd> the lxde package and everything that goes with it are already in the repos.....so is on the install disk
[20:49] <jarnos> vidd: which install disk?
[20:49] <vidd> all of them
[20:49] <jarnos> vidd: I don't believe lxde is in all of install disks.
[20:50] <vidd> for example....if you have a Kubuntu alt cd, you can install cli + ubuntu-desktop, or xubuntu-desktop, or lxde
[20:50] <vidd> ive done it on systems without intentet connection
[20:52] <vidd> dunno if its on hardy...but it is on II
[20:52] <Ick> i'm attempting to get my webcam to function with skype. i installed it and lsmod etc. recognizes it, but skype does not. anybody know where to go from here?
[20:53]  * vidd was not aware that skype worked with webcam in linux =\
[21:16]  * jarnos was not aware an alternative cd contained all desktop environments.
[21:17] <jarnos> vidd: What is II?
[21:18] <vidd> intrepid {whatever the i is}
[21:19] <jarnos> vidd: I see. I call it 8.10
[21:19] <jarnos> I suppose the next one will be 9.04.
[21:44]  * jarnos is dreaming of Xubuntu 9.04 having Xfce 4.6
[21:44] <vidd> jarnos, the next one is indeed 9.04 (also JJ)
[22:45] <jarnos> Why is xscreensaver started instead of gnome-screensaver in Xfce session, if both are installed? Can you change this?
[22:55] <jarnos> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/57365
[22:57] <cody-somerville> hmmm
[22:58] <cody-somerville> jarnos, replied to your question
[22:58] <protocol1> there a quick way to take a screencapture in xubuntu to a jgp?
[23:02] <cody-somerville> protocol1, add the screenshooter panel applet
[23:10] <jarnos> cody-somerville: thanks, me too ;)  If I change the script, I have to do it after each upgrade, I suppose.
[23:10] <cody-somerville> jarnos, it may ask you if you want to replace the file since it exists in /etc/
[23:12] <jarnos> cody-somerville: It has newer asked me, I have not upgraded by comman line, though. Where else would it be?
[23:12] <cody-somerville> jarnos, it'll only ask on upgrade if you've changed it
[23:13] <jarnos> cody-somerville: I see. But in clean install I loose it, if I don't remember to backup.
[23:13] <cody-somerville> right
[23:13] <cody-somerville> but it'll work as expected on a clean install
[23:13] <cody-somerville> install xserver isn't installed by default
[23:14] <jarnos> cody-somerville: xserver?
[23:15] <jarnos> cody-somerville: you mean xscreensaver?
[23:15] <cody-somerville> hehe
[23:15] <cody-somerville> right
[23:17] <jarnos> cody-somerville: true, but once you install e.g. package lxde, behavior of Xfce session changes.
[23:17] <jarnos> cody-somerville: since it depends on xscreensaver.
[23:17] <cody-somerville> jarnos, Is there anything that Xubuntu can learn from lxde btw?
[23:18] <jarnos> cody-somerville: probably. I haven't used it much yet.
[23:19] <jarnos> cody-somerville: At least it starts fast.
[23:19] <jarnos> cody-somerville: even in a decade old PC.
[23:21] <jarnos> cody-somerville: I'll log in it in a minute.
[23:32] <jarnos> cody-somerville: But I suppose Xubuntu has more functionality to start.
[23:34] <jarnos> cody-somerville: I told about pcmanfm before, but you were not so exited about it.
[23:43] <jarnos> cody-somerville: I like setting "max sixe of files displayed as thumbnails". (I have sometimes had huge image files on cd-rom)
[23:59] <Aison> hello
[23:59] <Aison> i'm thinking about installing xubuntu on my eeepc 4g (older model)
[23:59] <Aison> is this distribution working?  how much space is required? I ahve got only 4gb ;)


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[19:13] <rabiddachshund> Ok so I think I've figured this out. I'm using an SBT-TVFM tuner that's not being recognized properly by the driver. I need to add the card= parameter to the module for 142 -> Sabrent TV-FM (bttv version). How do I do that
[19:13] <rabiddachshund> ?
[19:14] <rabiddachshund> I don't know much about drivers. Is it something to do with insmod or modprobe?


[08:33] <SuperMatt> morning all
[08:37] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy World Development Information Day! :-D
[08:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> What's the little audio settings widget called on the top bar? It has a bug. On Saucy if I mute, then come back later and un-mute, the icon itself stays in the muted image.
[08:41] <JamesTait> TheOpenSourcerer, I think that'll be indicator-sound
[08:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> Anyone else confirm what I'm seeing?
[08:42] <SuperMatt> that's the one
[08:42] <SuperMatt> TheOpenSourcerer: I've seen similar things
[08:42] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: how did you mute?
[08:42] <SuperMatt> I've got a weird bug right now. When using spdif out, the volume starts up AT FULL until I turn it down
[08:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> Click the word "mute"
[08:43] <popey> i clicked mute and it still shows the sound icon thing
[08:43] <popey> i have two audio devices, wonder if that's why
[08:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hmm, it grey's out and you get the "x" next to the speaker icon.
[08:43] <popey> and mute button on KB doesn't change the icon either
[08:43] <popey> want me to file a bug?
[08:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> Repeatedly muting and unmuting seems to get the icon to change correctly but it's not consistent.
[08:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yeah sure popey
[08:44] <popey> kk
[08:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> ty
[08:48] <Laney> There's a bug where it gets stuck sometimes
[08:48] <Laney> killing unity-panel-service and letting it respawn fixes it for me
[08:48] <popey> bug 1244114
[08:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> That's the one.
[08:50] <JamesTait> I can't reproduce it.
[08:55] <dvrr> hiiiiiiiiiiiii
[09:14] <dwatkins> Today I learned a new software term: "ship blocker"
[09:15] <mungbean_> how can i see g+ posts i have commented on?
[09:15] <SuperMatt> mungbean_: I'm just getting my CV checked out by somemone. Do I need a covering letter?
[09:16] <mungbean_> hmmm SuperMatt i haven't gone through this proces in a while, so its prob different now
[09:16] <mungbean_> i think its via online application form and cv.
[09:17] <SuperMatt> cool
[09:31] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[09:35] <mungbean_> guys
[09:35] <mungbean_> is this a piece of fiction? https://plus.google.com/103470457057356043365/posts/9fyh5R9v2Ga
[09:35] <mungbean_> sounds like it
[09:35] <mungbean_> heh, i notice sadfl has commented on it
[09:51] <MartijnVdS> hmm.. Dell's website claims you can't order the XPS13 online anymore.. preparing for a refresh?
[09:52] <brobostigon> like selling off the nexus4 cheap, in prep for selling the nexus5, :)
[09:52] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: yeah, possibly
[09:52] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: speaking of which.. ;)
[09:52] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: you bought one?
[09:53] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: Is the Nexus 5 out?
[09:54] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: all but announced basiclly, yes.
[09:57] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: I want to order it!
[09:58] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: and you can afford it? however much it will cost.
[10:00] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: rumours are $350-$399, that's *cheap* for a good smart phone
[10:00] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: I've saved up enough money in the past 2 years of Galaxy Nexus ;)
[10:00] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: :) very true, i thought the original nexus4 price was good aswell.
[10:08] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:14] <DJones> I wonder how long the Nexus branding will continue, we've got N4, N7, N10, N5 is due out, as a guess (on recent naming policies) N6 will have a 6" screen and at that size would more of a phablet than a phone or tablet, where do they go with phone names after that, an N8 with an 8" screen is getting seriously too big for a phone
[10:15] <DJones> Will Google Glass be a N0.5 for the 1/2 inch screen :)
[10:18] <penguin42> DJones: What was the name of the guy in Blade runner who made the Nexus series eyes?
[10:18] <DJones> There was certainly a Nexus 6 reference in Bladerunner
[10:18] <penguin42> hm 'Chew' apparently
[10:18] <popey> Hannibal Chew
[10:19] <penguin42> hmm may not be that great a naming scheme, but for 'what I've seen with your eyes...'
[10:23]  * DJones ponders a remake of the classic horror, "The hills have google eyes"
[10:53] <MartijnVdS> googly eyes?
[11:50] <directhex> http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/4735431_700b.jpg
[11:50] <SuperMatt> mungbean_: submitted
[11:57] <DJones> Heh, just saw this mentioned www.php.net is being blocked by Google Chrome for containing malware
[11:57] <MartijnVdS> it is
[11:57] <MartijnVdS> also by firefox
[11:58] <DJones> http://www.google.com/safebrowsing/diagnostic?site=http://php.net/&hl=en
[11:58] <DJones> Thats not a good thing to happen
[11:59] <MartijnVdS> DJones: probably some leaky PHP code :P
[11:59] <SuperMatt> ouchy
[11:59] <SuperMatt> can we now start ditching php?
[12:00] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: maybe
[12:00] <MartijnVdS> http://productforums.google.com/forum/#!msg/webmasters/puLmvjtK0m8/8zxOCgZvyPEJ
[12:01] <MartijnVdS> it's real
[12:26] <mungbean_> SuperMatt: \o/
[12:34] <mungbean_> bought a server from ibm and it came in parts o_O
[12:35] <mungbean_> i mean, had to install CPU, ram, raid card, pcie riser, 10gb eth, disks.
[12:35] <penguin42> mungbean_: Yeh you get the base thing and all the addons
[12:35] <mungbean_> something went wrong somewhere, i'm sure customer doesn't install this
[12:35] <directhex> mungbean_, "system integration" is a line item, maybe?
[12:35] <mungbean_> thats why you get ripped off by a reseller
[12:35] <naya> i'm new here
[12:35] <popey> hello naya
[12:35] <mungbean_> dell servers ftw
[12:35] <naya> hey
[12:36] <naya> i've been out of ubuntu for a while
[12:36] <MartijnVdS> mungbean_: IBM has an army of servicepeople to do that,right?
[12:36] <MartijnVdS> naya: welcome back then :)
[12:36] <naya> thanks
[12:36] <mungbean_> i thought some of the items i instaled were not customer installable
[12:36] <mungbean_> how can they validate the new server is working oterhwise
[12:36] <naya> can i get help here?
[12:36] <mungbean_> of course naya whats up
[12:36] <naya> i mean with configuration stuff?
[12:37] <popey> you can drive to mungbean_'s place and setup a server ☻
[12:37] <popey> (I kid)
[12:37] <mungbean_> awww
[12:38] <naya> i use Toshiba Satellite L775 but my keyboard does not work when the system boots
[12:38] <naya> i'm using the life CD now.
[12:38] <penguin42> naya: When you say the keyboard doesn't work - is that the only thing that doesn't work?
[12:39] <penguin42> naya: i.e does the mouse move? Or an external keyboard work?
[12:39] <naya> oh yea right the touchpad doesn't either.
[12:39] <naya> i don't have an external mouse or keyboard.
[12:40] <penguin42> naya: OK, so what makes you think it's the keyboard that's failing as opposed to the whole machine being dead?
[12:40] <naya> because when i use the onscreen keyboard i'm able to log in and that's it
[12:40] <dwatkins> in German, "na ja" means "well, yeah"
[12:41] <penguin42> naya: You mean touchscreen?
[12:41] <naya> onscreen keyboard i mean.
[12:41] <penguin42> naya: OK, that's interesting - I had heard of other people who had keyboards that didn't work
[12:42] <naya> ok?
[12:42] <penguin42> naya: I'm not sure what to suggest, I would file a bug, which version of Ubuntu are you using - and if you can borrow an external keyboard I'd try it
[12:43] <naya> 12.04
[12:43] <naya> LTS
[12:43] <naya> penguin24: and i'm gonna get and external keyboard and mouse
[12:44] <penguin42> naya: ok, is this 12.04.3 ?
[12:44] <naya> penguin42: yea it is
[12:45] <penguin42> naya: OK, so other things to try - and I don't know if any of these will help; 1) Try the latest 13.10 release just to see if it works  2) Try an old release like 10.04
[12:45] <penguin42> naya: But also, if you can do a bug report against 'linux' and mention the bug number here I'll try and see if I can spot anything obvious in the logs
[12:46] <naya> penguin42: ok thanks
[12:46] <naya> penguin42: i'll try the different versions first!
[12:47] <penguin42> naya: If the 12.04 live CD works you can also try installation from say 12.04.1 or switching the hardware enablemenet pack to 12.04.1 or 12.04.2 - that wouldn't need a reinstall
[12:47] <mungbean_> shuttleworth appears to have 2 G+ accounts
[12:47] <penguin42> a work one and a private one?
[12:47] <jussi> mungbean_: I have 4....
[12:47] <penguin42> that's pretty common thing to do
[12:47] <mungbean_> 2k followers on one, and 4k followers on other
[12:47] <naya> penguin42: ok!
[12:48] <jussi> mungbean_: yeah, one is for the unity and mir lovers, the other for haters - Ill let you decide which is which :P
[13:05] <ali1234> i broke launchpad :/
[13:05] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: awesome
[13:06] <ali1234> upload a package to a ppa, then delete it, then upload it again
[13:06] <ali1234> now i have pending builds on my ppa which contains now packages, because the packages are all pending for deletion
[13:10] <jussi> ali1234: well done! :D
[14:57]  * popey dug 3 suits out of the cupboard, and they all "fit" (ish)
[14:57] <popey> handy for bigcalm's wedding tomorrow
[15:00] <MartijnVdS> popey: so you can "superman rip" out of 2 suits during the course of the wedding? :)
[15:00] <popey> hah
[15:02] <popey> https://twitter.com/search?q=Ubuntu%20is%20a%20community%20developed%20operating%20system%20that%20is%20perfect%20for%20laptops%2C%20desktops%20and%20server&src=typd&f=realtime
[15:02] <popey> why do those twitter accounts exist
[15:02] <penguin42> is there live coverage on here?
[15:02] <popey> many look like generated names
[15:02] <popey> but they are tweeting many of the same pieces of text
[15:02] <MartijnVdS> Search engine optimizers?
[15:03] <popey> I can't fathom what the benefit is, given they aren't tweeting links
[15:04] <MartijnVdS> maybe it makes the accounts seem more "legit" to Twitter's spam-detect robot
[15:04] <MartijnVdS> so once they start spamming, they don't get blocked as quickly
[15:20] <popey> https://twitter.com/windroadkbKhoko/status/393395714249588736 probably explains it
[15:28] <ali1234> why do any twitter accounts exist?
[15:47] <mungbean_> i understand certain use cases
[15:47] <mungbean_> not for me though
[15:51] <mungbean_> bloke who invented twitter sis its to express any info you want anywhere without constraint. except 140 chars
[16:27] <ali1234> trololol :D
[17:00] <diddledan> ali1234: quit trolling
[17:11] <davmor2> diddledan: maybe we should have the government introduce interwebz trolling tax,  of course most of us would be bankrupt by the end of the month :D
[17:12] <diddledan> I'd be bankrupt after the first hour
[17:47] <naya> poivy on ubuntu 12.04
[17:47] <naya> any ideas?
[17:47] <popey> naya: https://www.poivy.com/download has a link to sign up to get the linux version
[17:48] <naya> popey: really? i check didn't see that though
[17:48] <naya> but i'm gonna get back to u.
[17:48] <naya> cheers!
[17:49] <naya> popey: i can only use the websignup version not a standalone application!
[17:50] <popey> poivy just looks like a sip provider
[17:51] <popey> http://askubuntu.com/questions/126408/is-there-any-software-like-voipgain-megavoip-poivy
[17:56] <penguin42> anyone tried Mozilla's togetherJS stuff?
[17:57] <penguin42> e.g. https://togetherjs.com/examples/drawing/
[17:58] <ali1234> anyone got an awk oneliner that turns scp syntax into ssh syntax?
[18:01] <penguin42> not sure it's that trivial, I know of at least differences in -P to -p and scp is fussier over the placement
[18:01] <penguin42> but not sure of other differences
[18:01] <ali1234> well basically i just need to turn 'user@host:/path/to/file' into 'user@host -c "cat /path/to/file"'
[18:02] <ali1234> this can't be all that hard... it might not be perfect but it's good enough
[18:02] <ali1234> maybe i can do it with sedactually
[18:02] <ali1234> just replace first :
[18:02] <ali1234> and stick a " on the end
[18:02] <ali1234> yeah that should work
[18:19] <ali1234> can i untar to a series of pipes?
[18:20] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: *to* a pipe? unlikely.
[18:20] <MartijnVdS> you can untar *from* one, or tar *to* one, no problem
[18:20] <ali1234> eg for each file in a tar file, pipe it to md5sum > $filename.md5
[18:20] <MartijnVdS>      --to-command=COMMAND
[18:20] <MartijnVdS>            pipe extracted files to another program
[18:20] <MartijnVdS> ^ from "man tar"
[18:20] <ali1234> awesome
[18:21] <MartijnVdS> I don't know if that pipes it as one big blob though
[18:21] <MartijnVdS> or as separate files
[18:21] <ali1234> yeha i don't want it to
[18:22] <ali1234> http://www.gnu.org/software/tar/manual/html_node/Writing-to-an-External-Program.html#SEC84
[18:23] <MartijnVdS> shiny
[18:23] <ali1234> exactly what i need :)
[18:26] <MartijnVdS> Wow, another batch of security updates
[18:26] <MartijnVdS> was there some kind of backlog?
[18:28] <davmor2> http://www.kulfoto.com/funny-pictures/52288/librarian-humor-na-na-na-batman  I'll just leave that here
[18:29] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: ...
[18:33] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: put a smile on my face so thought I'd share it :)
[18:33] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: I've sent it on to a librarian I know :)
[18:33] <davmor2> haha
[18:35] <MartijnVdS> http://open.spotify.com/album/1aSU7tVnGuKquY8yKCw1jm
[19:12] <ali1234> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6296712/
[19:13] <ali1234> for when you have to copy a directory twice using absolutely the minimum amount of bandwidth possible
[19:15] <penguin42> ali1234: pv ?
[19:15] <ali1234> pipe viewer, shows throughput on the pipe
[19:16] <ali1234> this is my final solution instead of using rsync
[19:16] <penguin42> what was wrong with rsync?
[19:16] <ali1234> well, the double file thing
[19:16] <penguin42> double file?
[19:17] <ali1234> this makes two copies of every file and also writes checksums, while reading each file strictly only once, and writing it strictly only twice
[19:17] <ali1234> doing the same with rsync would mean multiple reads of each file
[19:17] <ali1234> i don't have time fo that
[19:17] <penguin42> why multiple reads?
[19:18] <ali1234> rsync it to make copy 1
[19:18] <ali1234> that's 1 read/1write
[19:18] <ali1234> then rsync it again to make copy 2, that's another 1 read and 1 write
[19:18] <ali1234> then md5sum it all, that's another read
[19:18] <penguin42> oh you're wanting double copies
[19:18] <ali1234> = 3 reads, 2 writes
[19:19] <ali1234> this does the whole thing in one step, thus it's optimal i think
[19:19] <ali1234> not sure how much overhead tar and ssh will create, probably not much though
[19:22] <ali1234> turns out my laptop doesn't actually have gigabit ethernet, so that's will be the limiting factor
[19:25] <ali1234> i need to test this with spaces in the file names
[21:28]  * popey hopes bigcalm gets a good nights sleep
[22:07] <penguin42> popey: You've not tied him naked to a lamppost with cat5?
[22:10] <popey> heh
[22:11] <directhex> cat5 is poor rope
[22:11] <directhex> doesn't knot well
[22:15] <AlanBell> I am sure bigcalm will be tucked up in bed nice and early
[22:15] <AlanBell> Hayley might not be though :)
[22:20] <AlanBell> Anyone know lots about VAT? DJones?http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2013/10/crowdfunding-and-vat/
[23:37] <bigcalm> I've just got back from the venue. Some joint decorating while we're still aloud to see each other
[23:37] <bigcalm> I'm now on my own and unlikely to sleep
[23:43] <penguin42> well, you shouldn't be sleeping tomorrow....
[23:43] <bigcalm> Today?
[23:43] <bigcalm> T - 14 hours 46 mins
[23:45] <penguin42> ah very civilised, no rush
[23:45] <bigcalm> It's 00:45, not a civilised hour I'd say
[23:46] <penguin42> but 2-3pm will be
[23:47] <bigcalm> 3.30pm
[23:47] <bigcalm> I will be back at the venue at 10am though to continue setting up
[23:52] <bigcalm> Maybe watching TV in bed will help
[23:52] <bigcalm> Night peeps :)