[12:26] <kalikiana> h3sp4wn, As far as the description goes, toolame does mp2. ;)
[12:26] <h3sp4wn> that is what I said originally
[12:26] <h3sp4wn> however 23:02 < Jester45> well.. ripperx has toolame and lame as mp3 encoder options
[12:26] <h3sp4wn> implies different
[12:28] <kalikiana> Hm, weird.  :P
[12:49] <freeza> hey does xubuntu feisty come with compiz preinstalled like ubuntu?
[12:55] <IndyGunFreak> I just installed Xubuntu 7.04, and the "File System" icon, is on my desktop, how do i set it to hide
[12:56] <IndyGunFreak> anybody
[12:58] <kalikiana> IndyGunFreak, Settings->Desktop Settings
[12:58] <IndyGunFreak> kalikiana: everything is unchecked, and its still there
[12:58] <IndyGunFreak> acually all the icons are.
[12:58] <IndyGunFreak> and none of hte options are checked.
[12:59] <IndyGunFreak> nevermind, i got it now, don't know why, but it worked all of a sudden
[12:59] <IndyGunFreak> i had it unchecked..
[12:59] <IndyGunFreak> thanks..
[12:59] <PrimoTurbo> I have a problem, my fonts in xubuntu became really small, i fixed it by forcing 96 DPI through some hack
[01:00] <PrimoTurbo> however as a result the default GDM login theme has messed up and the text has moved to the left and it's not alligned
[01:00] <PrimoTurbo> any ideas?
[01:01] <PrimoTurbo> the way I set the DPI was throught ~/.config/xfce/Xft.xrdb.
[01:01] <PrimoTurbo> adding Xft.dpi: 96 at the bottom of the file
[01:09] <kalikiana> PrimoTurbo, I know that problem - if you find a solution let me know about it. :)
[01:09] <PrimoTurbo> yeah I think i found it the solution
[01:09] <PrimoTurbo> the problem is that the monitor DPI is not detected so when u force it only works for window manager and not GDM
[01:09] <PrimoTurbo> u can force the monitor size to be detected
[01:10] <PrimoTurbo> by messauring your monitor in mm
[01:10] <PrimoTurbo> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Xorg_and_Fonts#Note_on_DPI section /etc/X11/xorg.conf explains it
[01:15] <h3sp4wn> its hard coded in /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc also (if you use startx as I do)
[01:15] <h3sp4wn> probably also hardcoded somewhere for gdm
[01:15] <h3sp4wn> (at 100)
[01:18] <PrimoTurbo> brb going to see if it works
[01:28] <IndyGunFreak> how do you change the CLock in xfce?
[01:28] <IndyGunFreak> nevermind, found it
[01:28] <IndyGunFreak> tks
[01:34] <PrimoTurbo> monitor thing works but login is still messed up
[01:34] <PrimoTurbo> I just use simply Ubuntu gdm theme for now
[01:35] <PrimoTurbo> odd that only xubuntu login theme is messed up not a single other one
[01:36] <PrimoTurbo> Is there anyway to make xchat go to tray on close?
[01:45] <kalikiana> PrimoTurbo, XChat has a try icon setting. I don't know if it does what you want, though.
[01:45] <kalikiana> *tray
[01:49] <PrimoTurbo> found the solution the command is /set gui_tray_flags 1 type it in chat
[03:06] <cjae> how do I get more screensavers installed
[03:07] <Jester45> have you installed the open gl ones?
[03:07] <cjae> I am not sure I just have want was installed ootb
[03:08] <cjae> sorry that should say what
[03:09] <Jester45> !info xscreensaver-gl
[03:09] <ubotu> xscreensaver-gl: GL(Mesa) screen hacks for xscreensaver. In component main, is optional. Version 4.24-5ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 1601 kB, installed size 4096 kB
[03:09] <cjae> !info xscreensaver-gl
[03:09] <ubotu> xscreensaver-gl: GL(Mesa) screen hacks for xscreensaver. In component main, is optional. Version 4.24-5ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 1601 kB, installed size 4096 kB
[03:10] <Jester45> hehe
[03:10] <Jester45> i beat you to it
[03:10] <Jester45> you could install other screensaver programs or, look online for extra xscreenaver ones
[03:11] <cjae> so how do I tell I don't think I do cause the opengl ones have the sprongies or whatever right?
[03:12] <Jester45> how od you tell what
[03:12] <Jester45> do you tell*
[03:12] <cjae> what is installed
[03:13] <cjae> w/o having to go through whole list
[03:13] <Jester45> you mean in synaptic
[03:13] <cjae> no just your screen saver list
[03:14] <Jester45> um
[03:14] <cjae> Can I install them through synaptic??
[03:14] <Jester45>  i dont know
[03:14] <Jester45> yea
[03:14] <cjae> I thought it might be like in kde where part of the wm will download and install it for you
[03:15] <Jester45> to get extra screensavers for xscreensaver type this in a terminal "sudo apt-get install xcreensaver-gl-extra"
[03:15] <Jester45> or search synaptic for xscreensaver
[03:16] <cjae> the cli is not the problem it just lack of familiarity with xfce
[03:16] <Jester45> im sorry
[03:16] <cjae> for what
[03:19] <Jester45> o
[03:19] <Jester45> sorry wrong window
[03:20] <cjae> what does it mean when ppl are greyed out from channel list using xchat
[03:20] <Jester45> inactive maybe
[03:20] <cjae> thought so
[03:21] <cjae> just a noob to irc as well
[03:21] <Jester45> its ok
[03:28] <cjae> oh wow I wondered if it was ever going to come to me
[03:29] <cjae> I finally thought of my other question
[03:30] <cjae> I was wondering why the screen savers seem to twitch out after launching the first time??
[03:30] <cjae> They have done this since dapper @ least
[03:31] <cjae> I thought it might be my gpu card but why would they work once
[03:31] <cjae> hang on I m going to check the names of which are the worst
[03:36] <cjae> cubestorm freaks out
[03:36] <cjae> badly
[03:37] <cjae> does this happen with anybody else
[03:38] <cjae> Jester45, ???
[03:38] <cjae> anybody???
[03:48] <maxownz> hello world
[04:03] <cjae> this is a pretty cool channel.....hey
[04:17] <kandrews> Hi, does anyone know where the xfce cursor themes are stored? I see a cursor.theme file inside /usr/share/themes/ but I don't see the icons in there and when I put the theme I want to install in there, it didn't show up in the dialog to change cursor themes. Thanks!
[04:28] <cjae> cubestorm freaks out
[04:28] <cjae> does this happen with anybody else
[04:30] <Jester45> let me look
[04:30] <Jester45> o
[04:30] <Jester45> you mean it smears
[04:31] <Jester45> thats what its supposed to do
[04:39] <BFTD> yo Jester45
[04:39] <Jester45> hi
[05:27] <bordy240> Fonts are jagged and my screen flickers in Xubuntu 7.04 on an old ibm craptop. Any advice?
[05:28] <Jester45> applications -> settings -> user interface -> play around with font rendering
[05:29] <Jester45> and for the flickering applications -> settings -> display options
[05:30] <bordy240> happen to know why I dont have a panel at the bottom? I did when I tested with edgy, I believe.
[05:35] <Jester45> are you missing 1 or both
[05:36] <Jester45> press alt + F2 then type xfce4-panel in the blank then press run
[05:38] <s|k> is ie4linux still the best way to get IE on linux?
[05:38] <Jester45> not sure
[05:38] <Jester45> im guessing so
[05:38] <Jester45> that or wine + IE
[06:12] <navets> i am trying to use svideo to connect my tv to my laptop on linux, can anyone help me
[06:12] <Jester45> !tvout
[06:12] <ubotu> For help with enabling the TV-Out, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaTVOutNewbieEdition (Nvidia cards) or http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Tvout (ATI cards, *untested*)
[06:12] <Jester45> its pretty trickly depending on your card
[06:13] <navets> humm its built in
[06:13] <navets> an intel card
[06:20] <ZER0> help!!!!!!!!!
[06:20] <navets> ubotu: what if your not using an nvidia card
[06:20] <ZER0> wtf?
[06:20] <ZER0> anywayz
[06:21] <ZER0> yeah, i get to a configure screen with a licence and an ok button (sort of) and i cant click it or use enter or anything
[06:21] <ZER0> btw, im installing sun-java6-jdk
[06:22] <ZER0> anyone going to help?
[06:23] <ZER0> Zambezi, i think you helped me before to start the download
[06:23] <ZER0> but now i cant accept the license agreement
[06:24] <ZER0> goddamn it
[06:25] <ZER0> posingaspopular, can u help me, no1 is helping...
[06:25] <ZER0> :(
[06:25] <posingaspopular> ZER0: i can try
[06:25] <ZER0> alright
[06:26] <ZER0> i am installing sun-java6-jdk
[06:26] <posingaspopular>  k
[06:26] <ZER0> i get to a license agreement screen
[06:26] <ZER0> and i cant accept the agreement
[06:26] <ZER0> :'(
[06:26] <posingaspopular> wth?!?
[06:26] <posingaspopular> how is that possible
[06:26] <ZER0> yeah...  its got a <OK> button, but i cant click it or press enter
[06:27] <posingaspopular> and you tried aborting and restarting it
[06:27] <ZER0> yes, several times
[06:27] <posingaspopular> did you try ubuntuforums?
[06:28] <posingaspopular> i haven't heard of this happening before
[06:28] <ZER0> no... do you know if there is a license agreement screen when installing another terminal program such as Konsole?
[06:28] <posingaspopular> no that shouldn't be an issue
[06:29] <ZER0> alright, could i use apt-get for konsole?
[06:30] <posingaspopular> umm i dont see why konsole would be an issue or related to sun-java6-jdk
[06:30] <ZER0> well, im thinking that the terminal application is the issue, so by switching to another application, i can accept the agreement
[06:31] <posingaspopular> well konsole is just the kde front for the terminal, im assuming you're running the terminal in xubuntu feisty fawn though
[06:31] <posingaspopular> they both do the same thign
[06:32] <posingaspopular> but yea actually go to add/remove programs and see what happenes with konsole
[06:32] <ZER0> im using edgy
[06:32] <posingaspopular> okay
[06:32] <ZER0> im actually using apt-get to install konsole
[06:34] <ZER0> lalala 46% downloaded
[06:34] <posingaspopular> okay just tellme what happens
[06:34] <ZER0> ok
[06:38] <posingaspopular> ZER0: im talking to a girl so just let me know when you need me
[06:38] <ZER0> same damn thing
[06:38] <ZER0> it keeps trying to install the jre
[06:38] <ZER0> and giving me this damn screen
[06:38] <odat> anyone know how you get streamtuner to work with mplayer?
[06:39] <ZER0> do you know how to install the jdk/jre manually
[06:39] <ZER0> idk
[06:39] <posingaspopular> hmm no odat
[06:39] <posingaspopular> ZER0: so you ran that in konsole and that's didn't work
[06:40] <ZER0> no, when i downloaded konsole, it tried installing jre and it gave me that same screen
[06:40] <posingaspopular> ahh i see, dependencies issues than?
[06:40] <ZER0> yeah, which is why i need to know how to install the jre manually
[06:41] <ZER0> and where the default locations are for the files
[06:41] <posingaspopular> ZER0: join #ubuntu-chicago and ask in there. i know somone has the answer in there, just tell them i sent you
[06:42] <ZER0> thanks
[07:06] <soberon> Hello... A newbie question: When I wish to install some packages using synaptic, a prompt tell about uninstall xubuntu-desktop; so This is OK? or it will destroys my configuration?
[07:07] <posingaspopular> soberon: which packages
[07:07] <posingaspopular> because you definetly DONT want to uninstall xubuntu desktop
[07:07] <soberon> smb4k
[07:08] <posingaspopular> which is..?
[07:08] <soberon> for samba
[07:08] <posingaspopular> ohhh i see
[07:08] <posingaspopular> i haven't touched samba
[07:08] <posingaspopular> i know a few people who have, but they're not online atm
[07:09] <soberon> so I do not install any that if tell it OK?
[07:09] <posingaspopular> i have no clue
[07:10] <varka> soberon: its save to uninstall xubuntu-desktop as it is only a metapackage, but you have to reinstall it in order to fullfill the next distupgrade with success
[07:10] <lil_cain> there's a shortcut, that makes my bar at the top and bottom of the screen, with the log in and out buttons disseapear...
[07:10] <lil_cain> and I just accidentally hit it, any idea how I'd get them back?
[07:10] <soberon> Thanks a lot
[07:10] <lil_cain> any ideas?
[07:12] <soberon> What package (other than open office) do you recommend for presentations?
[07:12] <posingaspopular> slide presentations?
[07:12] <soberon> Yes
[07:13] <crdlb> you could just make a pdf
[07:13] <crdlb> and use a simple pdf reader
[07:13] <crdlb> if you don't need flashiness
[07:13] <posingaspopular> ask j1mc
[07:13] <posingaspopular> he's the hero in here ;)
[07:14] <j1mc> hah.  hi posingaspopular
[07:14] <posingaspopular> j1mc: these guys in here have questiosn abotu samba and presentations and who knows what else
[07:15] <lil_cain> j1mc: I just pressed some shortcut to make the bar at the top and bottom of my screen go away...
[07:15] <lil_cain> how would I get them back?
[07:15] <soberon> In other PC (bigger) I use ubuntu with OO and works fine; I must made presentations for college and courses
[07:16] <j1mc> lil_cain: try entering xfce4-panel into a command line prompt
[07:17] <lil_cain> j1mc: thanks, you're a godsend
[07:17] <j1mc> lil_cain: if you close that terminal window, though, i think the panels might go away.  heh.
[07:18] <lil_cain> j1mc: I'm unlikey to that anyway...
[07:20] <posingaspopular> j1mc: soberon was asking abotu samba
[07:21] <j1mc> posingaspopular: what did they want to know?
[07:21] <soberon> Thanks... my question is for an application to share documents as smb4k
[07:21] <soberon> I see smb4k in sinaptyc
[07:22] <soberon> but the promt says about uninstall xubuntu-desktop
[07:22] <soberon> and it scares me
[07:23] <j1mc> soberon: i can see how it would scare you, but xubuntu-desktop is just a metapackage name... it is ok if it gets removed.
[07:23] <soberon> so I can proceed to accept the prompt conditions?
[07:23] <j1mc> yes
[07:24] <soberon> Thanks a lot for the advice
[07:25] <j1mc> soberon: you're welcome.  good luck!
[07:25] <soberon> See you soon
[07:26] <posingaspopular> j1mc: wasn't that fun?
[07:26] <posingaspopular> i should be your secretary
[07:27] <j1mc> posingaspopular: heh.  most of the time i am stumped if they ask hard questions.
[07:27] <posingaspopular> j1mc: yea, if it's harder than !mp3, im out of luck
[07:28] <j1mc> :)
[07:30] <posingaspopular> bbl
[08:04] <Gacha> hi
[08:04] <Gacha> how can I run the xubuntu installer in 800x600 ?
[08:04] <Gacha> I got 1Mb video card which doesn't support larger screen :)
[08:05] <TheSheep> Gacha: it autodetects the resolution
[08:05] <Gacha> but it's doesn't detect correctly
[08:05] <Gacha> it gives me a black screen
[08:06] <TheSheep> Gacha: have you tried the 'safe grpahic mode' boot option?
[08:06] <Gacha> yes
[08:06] <Gacha> the same
[08:07] <TheSheep> Gacha: you don't have any other graphic card on board?
[08:07] <Gacha> nope
[08:07] <Gacha> there was AGP card, but it burned
[08:08] <Gacha> and I think the AGP port is dead
[08:08] <TheSheep> Gacha: I have no ideas. You might try the laternate cd -- it uses a text-mode installer
[08:08] <Gacha> ok, I will, thanks
[08:08] <TheSheep> *alternate
[08:08] <TheSheep> :)
[08:44] <odat> anyone awake?
[08:45] <TheSheep> odat: no
[08:45] <odat> TheSheep, lol
[09:22] <Gerro> sup odat
[10:36] <Boj3> hiho
[10:40] <TheSheep> hi Boj3
[10:44] <Boj3> so happy that my old notebook works. thinkpad 380xd comes with a fresh xubuntu installation  :D
[10:45] <Boj3> Pentium II, 96 MB RAM
[10:47] <Sleepy_Coder> [01:43:20]   ***  insecure<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu <----this sounds like a pun. lol
[10:48] <Sleepy_Coder> Can do a lot with an IP address. :p
[10:49] <Boj3> same to me :(
[10:50] <Sleepy_Coder> 0.o
[10:50] <Sleepy_Coder> Pentium II is good. :)
[10:50] <Sleepy_Coder> It's not the worst, and it's better than most....
[10:51] <Boj3> right, HDD sounds like a couple of bees
[10:51] <Sleepy_Coder> :)
[10:52] <Boj3> hmm putty?
[11:14] <grazie> I've just moved house and got a very unreliable adsl connection from my ISP. Are there any scripts/tools I can use to monitor the connection?
[11:16] <Catoptromancy> theres a network monitor
[11:17] <Catoptromancy> right click a task bar, add new item
[11:17] <grazie> The connection is so unreliable (I've just lost connecion now) that if I don't respond to any suggestions it means that I've not seen the response.
[11:17] <darrend> grazie: your adsl router (if it is a router and not a modem) probably has a page somewhere in its admin webapp that shows connection stats and line transmission errors
[11:45] <darrend> grazie: did you see my response or did your connection die before then?
[11:46] <grazie> darrend: I got your router admin page response...
[11:46] <darrend> cool.  any luck with it?
[11:46] <grazie> darrend: can't find anything on there that helps
[11:46] <darrend> which router?
[11:47] <grazie> netgear dg834
[11:47] <darrend> not familiar with that one I'm afraid
[11:48] <grazie> the router is good...I just need some stats to argue with the ISP :(
[11:52] <darrend> if your ISP is BT then I wish you lots of luck arguing about anything.  You'll need it :(
[12:54] <h3sp4wn> grazie: Do you have a shell on the router ? http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/n101238.asp (dunno what version you have but there is quite a bit of source code there)
[12:56] <grazie> h3sp4wn: I dunno...I'll find out...thanks for that link :)
[01:04] <Jester45> http://www.dlink.com/products/?sec=1&pid=533
[01:04] <Jester45> ^thats pretty cool
[01:11] <h3sp4wn> There is a dlink voip thing where they provide the sdk (based on kubuntu)
[01:12] <h3sp4wn> http://parker1.co.uk/satanic/ - anyone seen ubuntu satantic edition ?
[01:24] <Jester45> nope
[01:27] <h3sp4wn> Me neither, but there is a comment from mark shuttleworth saying its ok
[01:28] <h3sp4wn> I thought it was a hoax up until that point
[01:28] <Jester45> http://parker1.co.uk/ubuntu-se/screenshots.php
[01:28] <Jester45> the wallpapers are pretty cool
[01:30] <h3sp4wn> Yeah
[01:31] <h3sp4wn> Jester45: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2786 (that is the dlink thing I am interested in but I don't think you can buy them outside Germany)
[01:31] <h3sp4wn> HorstBox they are called
[01:33] <aboyousif> !corefonts
[01:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about corefonts - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:33] <aboyousif> !mscorettf
[01:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mscorettf - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:34] <grazie> aboyousif: do you know can /msg ubotu for info?
[01:35] <aboyousif> grazie, yes i did that .. sorry
[01:52] <Tano> hello
[02:00] <Pumpernickel> !info msttcorefonts | aboyousif
[02:00] <ubotu> aboyousif: msttcorefonts: Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.8ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 34 kB, installed size 208 kB
[02:01] <aboyousif> Pumpernickel, thanks i got it :)
[02:03] <Pumpernickel> ah, good
[02:15] <TheSheep> boje: last warning, disable this script please
[03:32] <Fabzgy> Hi mates.... someone willing to help me with ISDN Probs?
[03:33] <Fabzgy> I ve installed Xubuntu 6.06 and don t find any ISDN configuration Client...
[03:34] <Fabzgy> Right now I m online with knoppix Red Hat ISDN Config but I wonder if there is something for ubuntu...
[03:47] <Fabzgy> hi ToHellWithGA do you ve got a clue how to install packages if you are not online?
[03:48] <Merchelo> !isdn | Fabzgy
[03:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about isdn - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:48] <ToHellWithGA> Fabzgy: yeh
[03:48] <Merchelo> !info isdn
[03:48] <ubotu> Package isdn does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[03:48] <ToHellWithGA> you could download the package and put it on a thumbdrive/disk/what-have you
[03:48] <ToHellWithGA> sudo dpkg-i package_name.deb
[03:48] <ToHellWithGA> it will then tell you of dependencies, you must get them
[03:48] <Fabzgy> I ve got a USB stick... right now I m online with knoppix live CD
[03:49] <ToHellWithGA> rinse, lather, repeat
[03:49] <ToHellWithGA> bbl, gotta teach science
[03:49] <magic_ninja>  at times my internet goes down (i use cable via dhcp), and i have to sudo ifdown then sudo ifup it for it to work, is there a way I can make a script to do that for me to put on my girlfriend's account (she doesn't have admin access)
[03:50] <magic_ninja> fabzgy: what are you trying to install
[03:50] <ToHellWithGA> magic_ninja: sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[03:50] <ToHellWithGA> and/or sudo invoke-rc.d networking restart
[03:51] <ToHellWithGA> that does ifdown, ifup
[03:51] <Fabzgy> I m trying to run ISDN on my Computer but I ve got no Inet when I m on ubuntu...
[03:51] <magic_ninja> ToHellWithGA: i can't do that, she doesn't have admin access and i'm not willing to give her it
[03:52] <magic_ninja> is there a way to just give her access to networking commands
[04:29] <cyris> Hey everyone. What is the min cpu speed required to run Xubunut? I'm currently running edubuntu on a duron 800mhz with 512mb of ram, but its somewhat slow.
[04:33] <j1mc> hi cyris:  that info is found on: http://xubuntu.org/get
[04:33] <j1mc> there isn't a minimum speed, just a minimum amount of RAM.
[04:34] <cyris> yes i read that before coming here, i was hoping that someone would answer saying they run xubuntu on slower machines then the one im trying to get going
[04:34] <j1mc> cyris: i doubt you'll find anything to be lightning fast with that processor, but xubuntu should be snappy enough.
[04:35] <j1mc> oh, yes . . .   i've run xubuntu on a 900mhz PIII, but it only had 256k of ram.  it was fast enough.
[04:35] <j1mc> others have run xubuntu on lesser machines.
[04:35] <j1mc> Xfce is noticeably faster than gnome or kde on lesser machines.
[04:35] <cyris> sounds good, i'll give it a go this morning
[04:35] <j1mc> good luck!
[04:40] <cyris> j1mc: run any ubuntu based machines that have wireless cards?
[04:40] <cyris> I'm looking at the supported cards list ( https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCardsDlink ) and I'm hoping the comments are correct for the dlink dwl-520+
[04:40] <shmill> hey guys
[04:41] <cyris> I want a card that will work out of the install.
[04:41] <shmill> if i tell you my general system specs... can you tell me if i should use Xubuntu or Ubuntu?
[04:42] <shmill> no, i meant i want to consider my system performance, not compability
[04:43] <shmill> anyone?
[04:44] <j1mc> cyris: yeah . . . look for one with an atheros chipset.
[04:44] <pleia2> cyris: prism2 and
[04:44] <pleia2> orinoco_cs
[04:44] <pleia2> are good too
[04:44] <cyris> so the dwl-520+ is atheros correect?
[04:47] <j1mc> cyris: sorry, at work.  don't have time to check now.  :(
[04:51] <shmill> i have a rather old computer: Duron 4 1.3ghz 512ram --> should i use ubuntu or xubuntu?
[04:54] <shmill> anyone here?
[04:54] <j1mc> shmill: you could use either.
[04:55] <j1mc> i've run both xubuntu and ubuntu on a PIII with 256mb of RAM.  Xubuntu was a little faster, but Ubuntu was ok, too.
[04:55] <shmill> ah l
[04:55] <shmill> k
[04:55] <shmill> because i dont know if i should use xubuntu or ubuntu.
[04:56] <j1mc> shmill: it depends on what you'll use it for.  ubuntu is more full-featured, but xubuntu provides solid core functionality, and you can always add on more applications.
[04:56] <j1mc> shmill: what will you use it for?
[04:56] <shmill> general desktop
[04:56] <shmill> mostly programming
[04:56] <shmill> watching tv episodes/movies, internet, etc
[04:56] <shmill> music
[04:57] <shmill> oops
[04:58] <j1mc> shmill: np.  :)
[04:58] <j1mc> hmmmmm....
[04:58] <shmill> did you say something before i left?
[04:58] <j1mc> shmill: no . . .   still thinking =)
[04:58] <shmill> ah
[04:58] <shmill> meanwhile
[04:58] <shmill> is there a chance the live-cd version missing features that the installed version has?
[04:58] <shmill> e.g. connecting to the internet through broadband (network card)|?
[04:59] <j1mc> shmill: no . . .  not really.
[04:59] <shmill> ok
[04:59] <shmill> so how do you set a broadband connection in xubuntu?
[04:59] <shmill> (i'm not using it right now)
[04:59] <j1mc> do you have a router?
[04:59] <shmill> umm no
[04:59] <shmill> just a lan modem
[04:59] <shmill> ROTAL RTA1320a
[04:59] <j1mc> hmmm... how do you connect to the internet now?
[04:59] <shmill> wait.. that's a router modem i think.
[04:59] <shmill> same method
[05:00] <shmill> no network, two computers switch modem :D
[05:00] <j1mc> what OS are you on now, and are you having trouble connecting to the internet?
[05:00] <shmill> xp sp2
[05:00] <shmill> i'm not 'having trouble'
[05:00] <shmill> i just dont know how to connect to the internet :d
[05:00] <j1mc> what do you do to connect to the internet in XP?
[05:01] <shmill> sec
[05:02] <shmill> wan miniport (pppoe)
[05:02] <shmill> "broadband"
[05:03] <j1mc> ah, you'll need to install a pppoe package to connect to the internet in xubuntu or ubuntu.
[05:04] <shmill> ah.
[05:04] <shmill> how do i do that without internet connection? D:
[05:05] <j1mc> i think you can do it w/o an internet connection . . . or, maybe it's installed already (sorry . . .).  google for pppoe +ubuntu
[05:05] <j1mc> see what you come up with
[05:05] <shmill> kay thanks
[05:43] <Rich_li_ny> Xubuntu 6.10  ...  Resolution changes to 640*480 or something.. and when I go to change it back to normal only choice listed is "Default".   How do I set my resolution and make it permanently stay that way for myself and other users?  Its seems this happens every few days for apparently no reason at all.  (this last instance was after install a package but I don't think that was the cause).
[05:45] <darrend> huzzah!
[05:57] <soberon> Good day... Please How can I to add a printer to my Xubuntu?
[05:58] <aboyousif> !printer | soberon
[05:58] <ubotu> soberon: Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[05:59] <soberon> There is not an app in Xubuntu?
[06:00] <aboyousif> soberon, try to run system-config-printer
[06:02] <soberon> Yes I did it, and read the help; but says that is for a printer previously configured and I can not find an app for do it as in Ubuntu
[06:04] <Rich_li_ny> Xubuntu 6.10  ...  Resolution changes to 640*480 or something.. and when I go to change it back to normal only choice listed is "Default".   How do I set my resolution and make it permanently stay that way for myself and other users?  Its seems this happens every few days for apparently no reason at all.  (this last instance was after install a package but I don't think that was the cause).
[06:04] <Rich_li_ny> Everything on my monitor is gigantic.. and i cant  change it at all now :(
[06:05] <Rich_li_ny> Actually using another pc now.. cuase mine is barely usable.
[06:06] <soberon> Rich_li_ny... Did you tryed sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[06:07] <Rich_li_ny> Ive tried it in the past.. and it didnt help..
[06:08] <Rich_li_ny> I will try it again
[06:08] <soberon> I had the same problem and fix it that way
[06:09] <gadius> hello people, sorry if my english is no good
[06:09] <gadius> I have a little problem using Xubuntu, but I think it is independent
[06:10] <gadius> do you know why Synaptic don't search?
[06:10] <gadius> I mean, i write "xmms", and it doesn't show nathing
[06:11] <soberon> Because xmms is not in the default repositories
[06:12] <gadius> thanks, sobreon, I have universe and multiverse repositories yet
[06:12] <soberon> You must go to repositories and add the others options, and refresh; so xmms will appears
[06:13] <gadius> I have been using Xubuntu long time, and this is the first time that it happens xD
[06:14] <ml--> anyone knows of a cli webcam application?
[06:14] <soberon> This is my first time with xubuntu and my only trouble is that I can not print
[06:14] <gadius> ok, thnaks anyway
[06:14] <soberon> good look
[06:15] <gadius> thanks ;D
[06:15] <gadius> nobody more speaks here? xD
[06:15] <maxownz> sup
[06:15] <sunnypies> How bad does my computer need to be to install xubuntu?
[06:15] <j1mc> gadius: sorry, working
[06:15] <sunnypies> to anyone
[06:15] <j1mc> sunnypies: haha  how bad?
[06:16] <j1mc> what are your specs?
[06:16] <Rich_li_ny> soberon: Thanks.... I think I was typing the command in incorrectly.. Looks like I should get it going now :)
[06:16] <gadius>  j1mc: nathing xD
[06:16] <sunnypies> its a laptop with 256 mb ram and about 50 gig hard drive
[06:16] <j1mc> xubuntu does run on good computers, too.  :)
[06:16] <sunnypies> processor is not real fast
[06:16] <aro> sunnypies, xubuntu can be useful on things other than "bad" computers
[06:16] <j1mc> sunnypies: that should be great.  i've run xubuntu on a PIII 900mhz with 256 ram.  xubuntu worked well.
[06:16] <h3sp4wn> sunnypies: That will be fine - how experienced are you on linux ?
[06:17] <maxownz> sunnypies: i have 400mhz and 64mb of ram
[06:17] <maxownz> 6gb hd
[06:17] <sunnypies> coo
[06:17] <maxownz> i got it to install
[06:17] <ml--> sunnypies: http://www.xubuntu.com/get#requirements
[06:17] <gadius> yes, I hvave pentium 4 512 ram nvidia and i am very happy xD
[06:17] <sunnypies> nice,  I want to put it on my wifes laptop, windows is slowing her way down
[06:17] <gadius> i work better on xfce that in gnome
[06:17] <sunnypies> is xfce graphical?
[06:17] <sunnypies> gui
[06:17] <aro> Yes
[06:17] <gadius> yes
[06:18] <Rich_li_ny> Sunnypies.. that should be fine.. its doesn't have to be a bad computer to work.  I have it installed on modern machines as well as dinosaurs and relics.
[06:18] <sunnypies> and it does come with openoffice?
[06:18] <darrend> sunnypies: http://www.xfce.org/
[06:18] <darrend> I run it on very high spec h/w
[06:18] <aro> Even if it isn't defaulted with openoffice, it's easy enough to add it
[06:18] <gadius> at the beginig not
[06:18] <darrend> some people just prefer it
[06:19] <gadius> you can install it easily
[06:19] <j1mc> sunnypies: aro is correct.  it doesn't come with it installed by default, but you can install it with one command or by using synaptic.
[06:19] <soberon> Anybody has added and configured a printer to xubuntu?... How is it done please?
[06:20] <grazie> !printer | soberon
[06:21] <ubotu> soberon: Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[06:21] <grazie> soberon: if you have an hp printer you can use hplip rather thab cups
[06:22] <grazie> !info hplip | soberon
[06:22] <ubotu> soberon: hplip: HP Linux Printing and Imaging System (HPLIP). In component main, is optional. Version 1.7.3-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 605 kB, installed size 2776 kB
[06:22] <ml--> how do i see all attached devices?
[06:22] <soberon> Thanks but What app is used?... as in ubuntu
[06:23] <h3sp4wn> or you can use lpr / lpd
[06:23] <h3sp4wn> (Well I use it with my hp)
[06:23] <maxownz> if i build a custom kernel with the bare essentials will it run than the default on my ancient machine?
[06:24] <sunnypies> thank you all for advising =)
[06:25] <soberon> I have cups installed, but I do not know how to add a printer
[06:25] <gadius> well, thanks all
[06:25] <gadius> bye!
[06:26] <h3sp4wn> soberon: are you using dapper / edgy / feisty ?
[06:26] <h3sp4wn> I think it has a webserver listening iirc on localhost
[06:26] <soberon> 6.06
[06:27] <grazie> indeed >> http://localhost:631/
[06:28] <Rich_li_ny> soberon:  Whooooooo hooooooooooo   I have a usable PC again.. :)
[06:28] <soberon> I am glad for you
[06:28] <Rich_li_ny> Thanks a bunch.. and since the config file was just rewritten.. it 'should' stay that way for a while.
[06:38] <soberon> No guidance for printing??
[06:39] <j1mc> soberon: sorry, i'm at work now, and can't help.  :(
[06:39] <soberon> No problem... thanks
[06:39] <soberon> see you
[06:42] <sunnypies> Just a question, why would someone want to use Xubuntu rather than Ubuntu if they have a power-house machine?
[06:43] <h3sp4wn> because gnome sucks
[06:43] <pleia2> sunnypies: some of us like xfce more than gnome
[06:43] <sunnypies> oh ok, I'm not familiar with xfce, whats the difference with that and gnome?
[06:44] <sunnypies> I love learning =)
[06:44] <maxownz> i thought xubuntu offered gnome and kde?
[06:44] <h3sp4wn> You can run kde or gnome apps in xfce
[06:44] <maxownz> but you aren't actually running kde or gnome?
[06:45] <h3sp4wn> No you are running xfce
[06:45] <pleia2> maxownz: under the hood the only difference between the *ubuntus are which window manager you're running, so if you're running Gnome you're running Ubuntu, if you're running KDE you're Kubuntu ,etc
[06:46] <maxownz> ah
[06:46] <sunnypies> so what's the difference between xfce and gnome?  just that one uses nautilis?
[06:47] <sunnypies> anyone?
[06:47] <maxownz> learning like you ;)
[06:47] <h3sp4wn> gnome has all sorts of "features" that consume system resources and for me achieve very little
[06:47] <sunnypies> oh ok
[06:48] <sunnypies> h3sp4wn, so you just install the programs you actually use with Xubuntu
[06:48] <h3sp4wn> I don't use any gnome programs
[06:48] <h3sp4wn> I use amarok - and the rest are just X programs
[06:48] <sunnypies> h3sp4wn, what is amarok?  and are X programs have a gui?
[06:49] <h3sp4wn> amarok is a kde media player
[06:49] <h3sp4wn> X programs have a gui yes
[06:49] <sunnypies> h3sp4wn, so what the difference between a x program and a gnome program since they both have guis
[06:49] <h3sp4wn> Actually I only use xterm or urxvt - and terminal stuff
[06:50] <h3sp4wn> gnome programs need loads of libraries
[06:50] <pleia2> sunnypies: different developers, different features
[06:50] <h3sp4wn> I don't like any gui applications that are not in a compiled language either
[06:50] <pleia2> you have a lot of choices for what apps you want to use in Linux to do most things..
[06:50] <sunnypies> roger
[06:51] <h3sp4wn> (Finally got to the stage where we have enough power for a computer to feel lightning fast - I would rather it feel like that than wasting power on perl / python / ruby applications etc
[06:51] <maxownz> so h3sp4wn would you say you run a minimalist system?
[06:51] <h3sp4wn> Not that minimalistic
[06:52] <sunnypies> whats your system h3?
[06:52] <h3sp4wn> dual core athlon x2 / 2gb ram / nvidia / decent 320gb sata disk ?
[06:53] <maxownz> i'm trying to build something that is very basic - web, email, office, maybe a few simple games, maybe some multimedia apps
[06:53] <h3sp4wn> fluxbox is lighter than xfce
[06:53] <h3sp4wn> (I use a mixture of sometimes e17 sometimes xfce)
[06:54] <maxownz> because my system is very old and virtually non-upgradable
[06:56] <grazie> maxownz: if you've 128m ram or more xubuntu is worth a look. if you've got less then DSL or similar would be better in my opinion
[06:56] <maxownz> so i want to learn how to compile a custom kernel so i can cut out a bunch of unwanted, unneeded stuff
[06:56] <hyper_ch> hiho
[06:57] <maxownz> 64mb ram :(
[06:58] <maxownz> what is DSL? (i'm guessing you aren't talking about the internet service)
[06:58] <hyper_ch> maxownz: you can run xubuntu on 64mb ram... but I would advice against it...
[06:58] <maxownz> haha yea i have it running right now
[06:58] <hyper_ch> maxownz: DSL --> DamnSmallLinux
[06:58] <maxownz> ah
[06:58] <hyper_ch> maxownz: you could install fluxbox as Window Manager on a ubuntu server install
[06:59] <maxownz> then install openoffice, firefox, thunderbird to use with fluxbox?
[07:00] <hyper_ch> maxownz: yes, but OOo is VERY slow on that
[07:00] <grazie> i wouldn't try openoffice with 64mb ram
[07:00] <hyper_ch> grazie: it works... I did it on a 10 year old notebook... well, not 10 year old.. had a P1 233mhz processor with 64mb ram
[07:00] <hyper_ch> grazie: but it's crawling slow
[07:01] <maxownz> is there something simpler than openoffice that could edit doc and spreadsheets
[07:01] <h3sp4wn> I would use something based on uclibc with 64mb ram
[07:01] <hyper_ch> maxownz: abiword and gnumeric
[07:01] <hyper_ch> maxownz: you should them have already in xubuntu
[07:02] <maxownz> sure do
[07:05] <maxownz> so should i look into ubuntu server + fluxbox or rebuild a smaller xubuntu kernel
[07:06] <hyper_ch> I'd go for DSL
[07:06] <maxownz> then i can choose which gui i want?
[07:06] <h3sp4wn> I would go for ucrux
[07:07] <maxownz> looks like DSL comes with Fluxbox and JWM window managers
[07:07] <hyper_ch> ucrux... haven't heard of that yet
[07:07] <maxownz> would wireless be a problem with DSL?
[07:08] <hyper_ch> could be... depending on your wifi adapter
[07:08] <hyper_ch> do you have a cd-rw?
[07:09] <maxownz> not in the machine i want to turn unix but i have in other computers lying around
[07:10] <h3sp4wn> Alot of the wireless drivers don't support 2.4
[07:11] <hyper_ch> maxownz: then just download the DSL Live CD, run it nd you'll see whether your wifi adapter works
[07:11] <maxownz> haha simple enough
[07:11] <hyper_ch> that's why I said cd-rw ^^
[07:11] <maxownz> ?
[07:13] <hyper_ch> cd-rw --> you can try lots of stuff and not waste piles of cd-r :)
[07:13] <maxownz> oo ur sayin burn the DSL Live CD to a cd-rw instead of a cd-r
[07:14] <hyper_ch> yes, if the cd-drive of the notebook can handle cd-rw then you can test-drive it... if it works it's good... if not, then you just blank the cd-rw and you have not wasted a cd-r
[07:16] <hyper_ch> *smile*
[07:16] <maxownz> yea i feel ya
[07:17] <hyper_ch> maxownz: you see when I started with linux... I sort of just downloaded more or less any distro I could find to test on cd-r... so in the end I had a pile of those that I really don't need... I should have used cd-rw from the beginnin
[07:17] <maxownz> haha i know what you mean
[07:17] <maxownz> i have a spindle of distros when i started playin in hs
[07:22] <h3sp4wn> I have grml on a 1gb usb key - I can install any distro from there
[07:23] <hyper_ch> h3???
[07:23] <hyper_ch> h3sp4wn: ?
[07:24] <h3sp4wn> grml its a live distro
[07:24] <h3sp4wn> (only decent one I know of actually for its use)
[07:24] <hyper_ch> h3sp4wn: ah... I have DSL on my stick :)
[07:25] <h3sp4wn> It has zsh - good screen configuration
[07:25] <h3sp4wn> just what I want on a live cd
[07:25] <hyper_ch> zsh?
[07:25] <hyper_ch> !zsh
[07:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about zsh - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:26] <h3sp4wn> http://grml.org/zsh/
[07:26] <h3sp4wn> !info zsh
[07:26] <ubotu> zsh: A shell with lots of features. In component main, is optional. Version 4.3.2-25ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 2169 kB, installed size 6528 kB
[07:26] <hyper_ch> with lots of features ^^
[07:26] <h3sp4wn> tab completion for almost everything
[07:27] <hyper_ch> :)
[07:27] <hyper_ch> nice
[07:27] <BFTD> I use Puppy
[07:28] <hyper_ch> I have an important question.... what shall I go get for dinner
[07:28] <maxownz> its friday - pizza
[07:28] <hyper_ch> I guess I'm going to get pizza then :)
[07:30] <hyper_ch> btw, is a sys reboot required after upgrading HAL?
[07:31] <BFTD> hyper_ch nope
[07:31] <hyper_ch> BFTD: good :)
[07:32] <BFTD> at least not for me
[07:32] <hyper_ch> after the power outage yesterday my uptime was reduced to 0 :(
[07:32] <BFTD> pwn'd!!
[07:33] <hyper_ch> Sysinfo for 'xubi': Linux 2.6.20-15-generic running Xfce 4.4.0, CPU: AMD Sempron 2400+ at 1683 MHz (3371 bogomips), HD: 238/897GB, RAM: 989/1010MB, 142 proc's, 12.15h up
[07:33] <hyper_ch> :(
[07:35] <hyper_ch> sunnypies: /sysinfo in Konversation
[07:37] <pilotkevin> hey guys\
[07:38] <pilotkevin> how can i download the PPPoe package outside linux? (i have an adsl connection through a router modem, i think, so i need to get pppoe installed)
[07:39] <hyper_ch> pilotkevin: good question...
[07:39] <pilotkevin> and the answer? :P\
[07:40] <pilotkevin> ah http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[07:40] <hyper_ch> hmmm, the answer would be ask h3sp4wn or BFTD or TheSheep ^^
[07:59] <godless> anybody use adesklets?
[07:59] <hyper_ch> yes
[08:00] <godless> Anyway to get yab to stay on top?
[08:01] <hyper_ch> yab?
[08:02] <flugger> I'm having multiple problems with xubuntu, I cannot open the terminal..it restarts xfce everytime I try. Synaptic will not let me mark anything for installation either.
[08:03] <cjae> hi does anyone have a plextor optical drive and does it now work after the HAL update
[08:04] <cjae> or work better??
[08:05] <godless> hyper_ch:  The launchbar desklet.. anyway to keep any desklet always on top? I'm sure I could adapt the method.
[08:05] <cjae> I don't understand how my hitachi/LG drive can work so good as compared to a plextor drive??
[08:05] <hyper_ch> godless: I don't know what you mean
[08:06] <hyper_ch> cjae: LG produces good devices
[08:06] <h3sp4wn> plextor's new stuff is no better than anyone elses
[08:06] <cjae> hyper_ch, and plextor does not
[08:06] <h3sp4wn> (they used to be higher quality but now you just pay for the name)
[08:07] <cjae> i see
[08:07] <cjae> anyone know about the whole having to put an audio disc in before to get a dvd to play
[08:08] <cjae> this was rectified by the HAL update
[08:08] <hyper_ch> I remember when plextor had the first burn-free device
[08:08] <cjae> but now it crashes gxine
[08:08] <cjae> and I tried with VLC and that does not work as well
[08:09] <cjae> but if I put it in the LG drive voila
[08:09] <cjae> and gxine does not crash
[08:10] <cjae> this suck though because my plextor is my dvd burner the LG is only cd/rw
[08:12] <cjae> is plextor the only one that can update firmware by holding the eject button and the  putting the firmware iso in it?
[08:13] <cjae> I mean like OS independent
[08:14] <cjae> and how good is lite on as compared to the others??
[08:14] <h3sp4wn> I have a lighton sata drive here - seems fine
[08:15] <cjae> this really sucks cause I bought this drive so it would function well under linux and it sucks more than most wtf
[08:15] <h3sp4wn> certain there is not something else wrong - wonky cable etc
[08:16] <cjae> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/27316
[08:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 27316 in linux-source-2.6.15 "Plextor DVD-RW drives do not detect DVDs properly until an audio CD is inserted" [Medium,Confirmed]
[08:16] <cjae> oh the you go
[08:16] <cjae> there
[08:16] <h3sp4wn> looks like it only exists in dapper
[08:17] <cjae> on it was in xubuntu till the HAL upgrade this morning
[08:17] <h3sp4wn> which hal upgrade ?
[08:18] <cjae> Now this is what I get The xine engine failed to start.
[08:19] <cjae> No plugin was found maybe the file does not exist or cannot be found please check url
[08:20] <cjae> put the same dvd in LG wham bam thank you mam
[08:21] <cjae> sorry not familiar with synaptic or apt-get could you tell me how to check
[08:22] <cjae> Upgraded the following packages:
[08:22] <cjae> hal (<IP_ADDRESS>-4ubuntu12) to 0.5.9-1ubuntu2~feisty1
[08:22] <cjae> ktorrent (2.1-0ubuntu2) to 2.1.4-0ubuntu1~feisty1
[08:22] <cjae> libhal-storage1 (<IP_ADDRESS>-4ubuntu12) to 0.5.9-1ubuntu2~feisty1
[08:22] <cjae> libhal1 (<IP_ADDRESS>-4ubuntu12) to 0.5.9-1ubuntu2~feisty1
[08:23] <Catoptromancy> !pastebin
[08:23] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[08:24] <cjae> sorry I just didn't think it would be so bad cause no else seems to be speaking
[08:24] <Catoptromancy> not real bad, If I have more than 2-3 lines pastebin is alwasy good
[08:25] <cjae> Catoptromancy, ok it will
[08:25] <cjae> sorry that should say I will
[08:25] <Catoptromancy> looks like those packages are already upgraded
[08:26] <cjae> yeah but my drive still fails it also has the latest firmware as well
[08:27] <Catoptromancy> how does it fail?
[08:27] <cjae> I am very stumped I guess I should'nt say latest cause after I said that elsewhere there was a new update they were like 4 days apart(plextor)
[08:28] <cjae> Ok first it would not recognize the dvd (only video like movie/mpeg dvds) regular dvds(data) worked fine
[08:28] <Catoptromancy> hmm I should scroll up once in awhile heh
[08:29] <Catoptromancy> did it seem like a codec missing?
[08:29] <Catoptromancy> for an error message
[08:30] <Catoptromancy> I had to install a ton of codecs to get Kaffine working right
[08:30] <Catoptromancy> with pretty much everything
[08:30] <cjae> I also have the libdvdcss while seems to be getting a little tattered anyway, I would just say blank disc on the desktop icon and  opening would just show vobs and such
[08:31] <Catoptromancy> 1 DVD I had I couldnt play
[08:31] <cjae> that should say it instead of I
[08:31] <Catoptromancy> Movie, dais it was write proected
[08:32] <Catoptromancy> said*
[08:32] <cjae> It is madagascar
[08:32] <Catoptromancy> I could open the the DVD, and look at the files
[08:32] <Catoptromancy> but it wouldnt play
[08:32] <cjae> trying to make backup cause this is the second one I have bought cause kids scratch the hell out of them
[08:33] <maxownz> anyone in here know php?
[08:33] <Catoptromancy> Try another DVD, it mgiht be Copy-protected
[08:33] <cjae> the funny thing is I put it in the LG and works automagically
[08:34] <Catoptromancy> LG a moive?
[08:34] <cjae> wouldn't libdvdcss fix that on a that on a two year old movie
[08:34] <cjae> LG is the optical drive
[08:34] <cjae> it is just a dvd reader though
[08:35] <Catoptromancy> hmm drivers maybe?
[08:35] <cjae> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/27316
[08:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 27316 in linux-source-2.6.15 "Plextor DVD-RW drives do not detect DVDs properly until an audio CD is inserted" [Medium,Confirmed]
[08:36] <EspadaV8> hi, what's the login managed in xubuntu? and how do i configure it?
[08:36] <EspadaV8> *manager
[08:37] <cjae> can codecs be attached to devices
[08:37] <Catoptromancy> they are general
[08:37] <Catoptromancy> shared devices use them
[08:38] <Catoptromancy> if its installed it should find it
[08:38] <Catoptromancy> EspadaV8, menu settings, login window
[08:38] <cjae> Catoptromancy, well it works in the other device??
[08:38] <h3sp4wn> EspadaV8: gdm
[08:38] <cjae> I am so frustrated
[08:38] <Catoptromancy> seems like a bug that you posted
[08:38] <EspadaV8> ah, thanks Catoptromancy and h3sp4wn
[08:39] <cjae> Catoptromancy, think it is just ubuntu
[08:39] <cjae> or is it kernel??
[08:39] <Catoptromancy> Launchpad bug 27316 in linux-source-2.6.15
[08:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 27316 in linux-source-2.6.15 "Plextor DVD-RW drives do not detect DVDs properly until an audio CD is inserted" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/27316
[08:39] <h3sp4wn> Looks like it only exists with dapper
[08:40] <Catoptromancy> not using Feisty?
[08:40] <Catoptromancy> cjae
[08:40] <cjae> yes I am using feisty
[08:40] <h3sp4wn> so a bug in 2.6.15 shouldn't affect you
[08:41] <h3sp4wn> cjae: what does 'uname -r' say
[08:41] <cjae> and I did the audio thing first and it would at lest recognize the dvd
[08:41] <cjae> 2.6.20-15-generic
[08:42] <cjae> think I need to recompile???
[08:43] <h3sp4wn> This has only just started ?
[08:43] <cjae> it was a fresh install
[08:43] <cjae> zero filled and started clean
[08:44] <h3sp4wn> but it worked prior to the hal update ?
[08:44] <cjae> no worked worst
[08:44] <cjae> worse
[08:45] <cjae> h3sp4wn, sorry I should type your name cause you may have the beep enabled
[08:45] <h3sp4wn> I am more likely to notice if you do
[08:46] <cjae> h3sp4wn, would only open the disc desktop icon would say blank media I mean blank disc
[08:48] <cjae> h3sp4wn, quote from the bug post "I don't have another drive spare to test with unfortunately. The problem exists with all video DVDs (I haven't tried with a data DVD though). I am able to use mplayer/xine to play the DVDs without having to insert an audio CD, it just seems to be Hal that gets confused." so that's why I thought it was just HAL
[08:48] <cjae> opps
[08:49] <h3sp4wn> hmm, you don't have to use hal or dbus
[08:50] <cjae> !info dbus
[08:50] <ubotu> dbus: simple interprocess messaging system. In component main, is optional. Version 1.0.2-1ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 342 kB, installed size 708 kB
[08:50] <cjae> !info hal
[08:50] <ubotu> hal: Hardware Abstraction Layer. In component main, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>-4ubuntu12 (feisty), package size 543 kB, installed size 1512 kB
[08:51] <h3sp4wn> probably removing either of those will remove xubuntu desktop though
[08:51] <cjae> h3sp4wn, what do you think I should do??
[08:52] <cjae> tired another disc nothing same crash
[08:53] <cjae> wow does my spelling/typing suck
[08:54] <cjae> h3sp4wn, ok but in I do not just let gxine open and play it with vlc an the plaextor drive it works
[08:55] <h3sp4wn> sudo update-rc.d -f dbus remove
[08:55] <cjae> wow
[08:56] <h3sp4wn> Trying to work out how hald gets started
[08:56] <cjae> h3sp4wn, not trying to be rude but this system is fairly stable,and I have been bouncing from distro to distro are you sure??
[08:57] <h3sp4wn> You don't need dbus
[08:57] <h3sp4wn> or hald
[08:57] <h3sp4wn> If you can play manually (and know how to do it) then it won't make any difference to you
[08:58] <cjae> so you would like me to do that
[08:58] <cjae> h3sp4wn,
[08:59] <h3sp4wn> I don't know if you would like to do it then do it
[09:00] <cjae> ok I tried the madagascar disc in there again and the desktop icon comes up but vlc fails with it too
[09:01] <cjae> h3sp4wn,
[09:01] <cjae> h3sp4wn, sorry this is like my 5 time on irc
[09:01] <h3sp4wn> have you removed the dbus startup scripts ?
[09:02] <h3sp4wn> s/scripts/links
[09:03] <cjae> I did the above command
[09:03] <cjae> I will try again
[09:03] <h3sp4wn> run sudo /etc/init.d/dbus stop
[09:04] <cjae> ok
[09:06] <h3sp4wn> ps -efH | egrep hal\|dbus
[09:06] <cjae> h3sp4wn, ok did that now VLC does not have a /dev listing
[09:07] <h3sp4wn> Can you not just use open disk
[09:08] <cjae> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20385/
[09:08] <Tido> ok, I'm retarded.  Somehow I've borked xfce badly.  It won't load the desktop, no icons, no applications menu
[09:08] <Tido> and I have no idea why
[09:08] <Tido> any suggestions?
[09:09] <cjae> h3sp4wn, you mean in VLC
[09:09] <h3sp4wn> cjae: yes - don't know why you need /dev there
[09:10] <cjae> open disc I always have needed a /dev/ listing there
[09:10] <cjae> h3sp4wn, I think cause I have two optical
[09:11] <h3sp4wn> just type in the device you want to use
[09:11] <cjae> h3sp4wn, I know I tried
[09:12] <h3sp4wn> are you in the correct group ?
[09:12] <cjae> h3sp4wn, do you get the pastebin
[09:12] <h3sp4wn> yes
[09:12] <h3sp4wn> just not sure whether just killing those will exit xfce or not
[09:13] <h3sp4wn> sudo kill 5565 5566
[09:15] <cjae> h3sp4wn,  sorry just hang one sec please
[09:15] <h3sp4wn> cjae: no I need to go somewhere back in a bit
[09:18] <cjae> h3sp4wn, just killed xchat and the channel list
[09:28] <Tido> did anyone see my question? I'm dying here :(
[09:30] <Tido> I'll reprint if it's off your screen
[09:31] <Tido> when xfce loads, one of the menus comes up, but no icons on the desktop come up, or the desktop itself.  Also the applications menu is gone.
[09:32] <Tido> does anyone know what would cause this?
[09:35] <Catoptromancy> right click desktop?
[09:35] <Catoptromancy> or a task bar
[09:35] <Catoptromancy> in task bar
[09:35] <Tido> has no response
[09:35] <Catoptromancy> "add new item" and select menu
[09:35] <Catoptromancy> hmmm
[09:36] <Catoptromancy> hmmm
[09:37] <cjae> alt f2??
[09:37] <Tido> alt f2 works
[09:37] <cjae> xfce4-panel
[09:37] <Tido> doesn't seem to do anything
[09:39] <Tido> hang on I might have it solved
[09:39] <Tido> lets see if it survives a reboot
[09:40] <cjae> or did you muk up panel manager settings
[09:40] <Tido> it was xfdesktop
[09:40] <Tido> somehow it got messed up
[09:40] <Tido> but I purged it and reinstalled
[09:40] <Tido> then ran and it seems to be ok now
[09:41] <Tido> oh
[09:41] <Tido> except
[09:41] <Tido> applicants menu is still gone
[09:41] <cjae> you can add that
[09:41] <Tido> yeah, just did
[09:42] <Tido> ok, well, disaster averted for now, but I wish I knew how that happened
[09:44] <Shaba1> Hello all
[09:45] <Shaba1> anyone here?
[09:45] <sunnypies> oi
[09:45] <sunnypies> hellp
[09:45] <Shaba1> Hello sunnypies
[09:45] <sunnypies> Shaba1, having a wonderful friday?
[09:46] <ntslab> Sysinfo for 'nts61': Linux 2.6.20-15-generic running KDE 3.5.6, CPU: Intel(R)XeonCPU1.70GHz at 1680 MHz (3361 bogomips), , RAM: 982/1010MB, 124 proc's, 5.45h up
[09:47] <Tido> oh, also, how can I make a user that doesn't need a password to login?
[09:47] <sunnypies> Tido, Just don't add a password hit next or continue
[09:48] <Tido> it errors out and says password must be at least 6 characters
[10:03] <kalikiana> boje, Turn that away script of yours off, please.
[10:21] <soberon> Good afternoon... A question: There are in Xubuntu a directory named /hotplug/firmware??
[10:39] <tero_> Hi! I need help upgrading from dapper
[10:39] <h3sp4wn> !upgrade
[10:39] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[10:40] <tero_> I tried with update-manager but it told me that i need one of the *buntu-desktop packages
[10:40] <tero_> however I can't install any of them since slocate won't install
[10:42] <tero_> this is what I get from apt-get
[10:42] <tero_> (Reading database ... 92917 files and directories currently installed.)
[10:42] <tero_> Unpacking slocate (from .../slocate_3.0.beta.r3-1ubuntu0.1_i386.deb) ...
[10:42] <tero_> Removing `diversion of /etc/cron.daily/find to /etc/cron.daily/find.notslocate by slocate'
[10:42] <tero_> dpkg-divert: rename involves overwriting `/etc/cron.daily/find' with
[10:42] <tero_>   different file `/etc/cron.daily/find.notslocate', not allowed
[10:42] <tero_> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/slocate_3.0.beta.r3-1ubuntu0.1_i386.deb (--unpack):
[10:42] <tero_>  subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 2
[10:42] <tero_> Errors were encountered while processing:
[10:42] <tero_>  /var/cache/apt/archives/slocate_3.0.beta.r3-1ubuntu0.1_i386.deb
[10:42] <tero_> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[10:42] <tero_> !upgrade
[10:42] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[10:42] <h3sp4wn> !info slocate dapper
[10:43] <ubotu> slocate: Secure replacement of findutil's locate. In component main, is extra. Version 3.0.beta.r3-1ubuntu0.1 (dapper), package size 29 kB, installed size 152 kB
[10:45] <h3sp4wn> tero_: Checked launchpad ?
[10:46] <h3sp4wn> Shouldn't need to use force on dapper
[10:46] <tero_> whats launchpad
[10:47] <h3sp4wn> !launchpad
[10:47] <ubotu> launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's Bounty and Bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/
[10:47] <h3sp4wn> !bugs
[10:47] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[10:49] <tero_> I'll try that
[10:49] <Shaba1> hello
[10:49] <Shaba1> anyone know and easy vnc client and server for linux that will connect and can be connected to a windwos machine?
[10:52] <cjae> h3sp4wn, are you back I guess
[10:52] <cjae> h3sp4wn, how do I put that startup script back
[10:52] <h3sp4wn> update-rc.d
[10:53] <cjae> does that just start all the scripts up again, didn't I just remove it?
[10:53] <h3sp4wn> No
[10:54] <h3sp4wn> just stopped the startup scripts - I didn't tell you to remove it
[10:55] <cjae> sudo update-rc.d -f dbus remove
[10:55] <cjae> is what you told me to do
[10:55] <h3sp4wn> exactly
[10:55] <h3sp4wn> sudo update-rc.d dbus defaults
[10:56] <cjae> assume I got to restart wm??
[10:56] <h3sp4wn> just start it up again sudo /etc/init.d/dbus start
[10:56] <h3sp4wn> then restart the wm
[10:57] <cjae> that what I meant sorry
[10:57] <cjae> I did sudo /etc/init.d/dbus start
[10:57] <cjae> before would that have worked
[10:58] <h3sp4wn> ?
[10:58] <cjae> anyway, I lost all my desktop icons on monitor and tv out
[10:59] <cjae> I meant before I asked you
[10:59] <h3sp4wn> That is nothing to do with that though
[10:59] <cjae> oh that is daemons and not start up scripts right?
[10:59] <kalikiana> Is someone in here fluent in Spanish, to review a short text?
[11:00] <cjae> h3sp4wn, ??
[11:00] <h3sp4wn> I am confused as to what you mean
[11:01] <cjae> /etc/init.d is for what will run in the init level I  am in right??
[11:02] <cjae> like init 3 or 4
[11:02] <h3sp4wn> Not 100% sure what upstart does
[11:02] <h3sp4wn> with regards to runlevels
[11:02] <cjae> upstart??
[11:03] <h3sp4wn> ubuntu replaced init in edgy
[11:03] <cjae> I thought I read that somewhere
[11:03] <cjae> so what is it now
[11:05] <cjae> I gotta reboot wm old lady wants to watch movie
[11:09] <renners> hi can I get some help installing xubuntu please?
[11:10] <grazie> renners: what's the problem?
[11:10] <aboyousif> renners, how much you will pay ? :D
[11:10] <renners> I'm trying to install over a previous kubuntu installation.... but I keep getting disk errors... i think because the kubuntu partion is mounted but every time I unmount it, something remounts it!
[11:12] <grazie> renners: if you're getting disk errors you most likely have a disk problem. What errors?
[11:12] <Pumpernickel> bug 107259
[11:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 107259 in ubiquity "Xubuntu partitioning can fail because ubiquity does not prevent thunar from automounting new partitions" [High,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107259
[11:13] <renners> not disk errors... kubuntu installed no problem... I'm using option to use entire disk hda
[11:13] <renners> i thaink that's it ubotu!
[11:14] <grazie> renners: if you read the bug report there's most likely a workaround
[11:14] <renners> yep, trying it now thanks
[11:17] <skyde> hello
[11:17] <grazie> hi there
[11:18] <skyde> some one know why the install froze on (detecting hardwar)
[11:19] <skyde> in fact it is not frozen it only make 30 minute it is at 90%
[11:19] <kalikiana> skyde, Actually it'S often the case that a second try with the same options will work.
[11:19] <kalikiana> I don't know why, though.
[11:20] <skyde> tanks
[11:20] <skyde> i will wait a little
[11:20] <skyde> but it realy seem to do nothing
[11:20] <grazie> skyde: are you using alternate or desktop cd?
[11:21] <skyde> dekstop
[11:21] <skyde> now it say selecting package to remove
[11:21] <skyde> i think it work only it was slow
[11:21] <grazie> does alt+ctrl+f1 give you a console?
[11:21] <skyde> yes
[11:22] <skyde> i seem to install well
[11:22] <skyde> i am now at 95%
[11:22] <skyde> sorry
[11:22] <grazie> good news ... no problem
[11:23] <skyde> i dont know why it is soo slow
[11:23] <skyde> but if it work
[11:23] <skyde> :)
[11:24] <sunnypies> question:  I just installed mtpaint   i can load by typing mtpain in terminal, how do i put an icon of it in the Applications list???
[11:24] <skyde> it now remove a lot of package
[11:24] <skyde> it might be for that reason
[11:24] <skyde> with the menu editor
[11:25] <skyde> in setting
[11:25] <skyde> menu editor
[11:28] <grazie> sunnypies: not sure what you mean by "put an icon of it in the Applications list"
[11:29] <skyde> i wish to have a button to start it
[11:29] <skyde> like a link on windows
[11:29] <skyde> :P
[11:29] <skyde> he not i
[11:31] <grazie> sunnypies: if you want an Applications menu entry you'll need to create a mtpaint.desktop file in /usr/share/applications
[11:31] <grazie> sunnypies: if you wan
[11:32] <grazie> sunnypies: if you want an icon on the panel then right click the panel and select "Add New Item"
[11:32] <sunnypies> cool, I just right clicked on ubuntu
[11:32] <sunnypies> and clicked edit menu
[11:32] <sunnypies> and did it that way
[11:33] <grazie> k
[11:33] <cjae> how do I enable more tty (guis)
[11:33] <sunnypies> thanks
[11:33] <cjae> like ctl alt f8
[11:34] <cjae> through f12
[11:35] <cjae> ohla
[11:39] <Catoptromancy> Anyone happen to know how to use a .diff
[11:39] <Catoptromancy> I need to patch a program before I compile it
[11:43] <renners> thanks for help earlier, peeps, I'm now talking from a working hd install!
[11:49] <cjae> how do I enable more tty (guis)
[11:51] <Gerro> need to export a .deb to another comp, how do I do that?
[11:51] <Gerro> like I installed something on this comp through synaptic
[11:51] <Gerro> but other one doesn't have internet
[11:52] <cjae> download the .deb
[11:52] <Gerro> from where?
[11:52] <Gerro> check everyone of those repositories for where its getting it from!?
[11:53] <Gerro> synaptic needs an export function..
[11:53] <cjae> I think there are sites from ubuntu that just have  individual deb they may have a search on the page or just use google
[11:53] <Gerro> and get it from some random other site
[11:54] <Gerro> never mind found it under packages.ubuntulinux.org/fiesty/
[11:55] <Gerro> feisty I mean
[11:56] <cjae> I meant use google to find the ubuntu site
[11:57] <cjae> like the subdirectories
[11:57] <skyde> exect the desktop what is different in xubuntu
[11:59] <Frem> font question: Why do the cool old Windows fonts like Arial and Tahoma not display correctly in the interface when I turn off anti-aliasing, hinting, sub-pixel hinting, and all that fun stuff?
[12:01] <Frem> I want my desktop to look like this screenshot (http://xfce-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=55632&file1=55632-1.png&file2=&file3=&name=Murrina-Rezblue&PHPSESSID=0b5943e9f7cebb8f3e2396e302bf931b) , but the fonts look like they're scaled weird, they don't look nice at all.
[12:03] <kalikiana> Frem, 1. When you turn off hinting and anti aliasing most fonts look bad, that's not only about Windows fonts. 2. The link doesn't work for me.
[12:03] <Frem> http://fremwise.googlepages.com/Screenshot.png
[12:04] <Frem> kalikiana, I'm using windows fonts which are supposed to look decent without anti aliasing and hinting.
[12:04] <Frem> http://xfce-look.org/content/show.php/Murrina-Rezblue?content=55632
[12:05] <Frem> Doh, never mind. Turned on hinting and it got fixed.
[12:05] <kalikiana> See? I was right. ;)
[12:06] <Frem> Yes, yes you were. Thanks. :-)