[02:34] <jbicha> duflu: hi, I found some webkit bugs you might be interested in: https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=173796 https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=173406
[02:34] <jbicha> https://lists.webkit.org/pipermail/webkit-gtk/2017-August/003137.html
[02:35]  * duflu looks
[02:36] <duflu> jbicha, thanks but upstream already told me about that one. It's different to what I was working on
[02:36] <duflu> Although a bit blurry too. So maybe my fix will solve it too
[02:38] <duflu> jbicha, either way, the relevant fix if at all was provided to upstream 10 days ago: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=773453
[02:38] <duflu> And is already in 17.10
[02:39] <duflu> If that doesn't fix it, then it's not related to me :)
[02:39] <jbicha> ok, but gstreamer_gl is a different issue, right?
[02:40] <duflu> jbicha, yeah I would guess gstreamer's gl plugin rendering things wrong is a different issue. It's always been perfect for me
[02:41] <jbicha> did you see the webkit mailing list link I posted ^
[02:41] <duflu> and the relevan Ubuntu fix was https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gstreamer-vaapi/1.12.2-1ubuntu2
[02:42] <duflu> jbicha, the "bad" plugins is something we discussed on ubuntu-desktop mailing list recently. It's because the opengl plugin and its support libraries (actually usually just the support libraries) are used by countless other plugins
[02:43] <duflu> I can only help gstreamer untangle itself so much....
[02:46] <jbicha> duflu: historically, we have moved a few plugins from -bad to -good so I'm wondering if that will make sense here
[02:48] <duflu> jbicha, I'm not sure I want to assert any such decision. Happier not having gstreamer in my life at all. Its architecture and performance problems seem like they might be too large to deal with long term. I prefer ffmpeg-based soltuions instead
[02:54] <jbicha> but for your vaapi feature, you need it, right?
[02:57] <duflu> jbicha: Yes it is needed for now. I haven't looked yet to see how tight the linkage requirement is. I only prioritized that work because fixing totem was easier than retiring totem. But I don't want to continue with that same rationale indefinitely
[02:58] <duflu> Actually totem's still not fixed really. I only made acceleration work, but totem stutters and uses higher CPU than it should
[03:00] <duflu> My initial analysis lask week showed that totem is redrawing/resizing its entire widget tree on every video frame, like 60 times per second. That might be part of the issue.
[03:20] <jbicha> robert_ancell: hi, recovered from the GUADEC trip?
[03:20] <robert_ancell> jbicha, yep :)
[03:20] <jbicha> I was surprised you didn't upload gnome-software to the xenial queue last week
[03:23] <robert_ancell> jbicha, for the fix? It's stuck on phased updates and it was a Friday evening when I had the fix
[03:24] <jbicha> oh
[03:24] <jbicha> phased-updates has been kind of annoying for gnome-software
[03:24] <jbicha> it did cause a few things though, but I'm sad about gnome-software/zesty :(
[03:26] <jbicha> *it did catch
[03:39] <duflu> jbicha, I have seen hints that Gnome 3.25/3.26 might come in 17.10, then 18.04, then 17.10.... is it still more likely 18.04?
[03:41] <jbicha> duflu: we discussed that a bit at the weekly meeting, we're doing 3.26 for 17.10 where we can
[03:41] <duflu> jbicha, in parts then? How about Shell and Mutter?
[03:41] <jbicha> a few things were blocked on didrocks getting the per-session gsettings overrides in
[03:42] <duflu> Cool, that's better than I thought
[03:42] <jbicha> gjs doesn't build on s390x so we might want to remove it there (but it has rdepends)
[03:43] <jbicha> to upgrade Mutter, we have to make sure that Budgie still works, I just started a conversation with Budgie about that https://github.com/budgie-desktop/budgie-desktop/issues/1103
[03:44] <jbicha> you can try 3.25.90 stuff not in artful yet by using the GNOME3 Staging PPA
[03:47] <jbicha> duflu: have you seen the version tracker? https://people.canonical.com/~platform/desktop/versions.html
[03:48] <duflu> jbicha, no. Thanks
[03:48] <jbicha> in the gnome-shell row  3.24.3-0ubuntu1 / 3.25.90-0ubuntu0~artful2  the second version shows what's in the GNOME3 Staging PPA
[04:02] <duflu> Bonus! Sushi gets automagical hardware accelerated playback on video files. Works beautifully with 4K files too
[06:21] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers!
[06:50] <didrocks> good morning
[06:50] <oSoMoN> hey didrocks
[06:50] <didrocks> hey oSoMoN, how goes ?
[06:50] <oSoMoN> didrocks, great, you?
[06:51] <didrocks> the little one has his first bronchitis
[06:51] <didrocks> and we're going to take the train back to Lyon this afternoon
[06:51] <didrocks> going to be fun
[06:53] <oSoMoN> ouch, I hope he gets better very soon
[06:55] <didrocks> thx :)
[07:49] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:50] <didrocks> re seb128
[07:50] <oSoMoN> good morning seb128
[07:52] <seb128> re didrocks
[07:52] <seb128> lut oSoMoN
[07:57] <willcooke> morning all
[08:00] <oSoMoN> good morning willcooke
[08:03] <didrocks> hey willcooke
[08:05] <seb128> hey willcooke, how are you? good w.e?
[08:06] <willcooke> Good thanks seb128, went to the sea side yesterday with the kids.  How about you?
[08:08] <seb128> I'm good thanks! had a relaxing w.e in France, was raining on saturday but nicer yesterday
[08:23] <duflu> Morning willcooke, all
[08:23] <duflu> Let me fry your brain: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntelQuickSyncVideo#Overall_Architecture
[08:23] <seb128> hey duflu
[08:24] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[08:24] <oSoMoN> wow
[08:26] <willcooke> duflu, ha!  Nice one, thanks!  You're right, brain hurts now
[08:26] <oSoMoN> that’s one very useful diagram
[08:27] <seb128> duflu, nice one!
[08:28] <didrocks> waow, a default G-S install, select "english", I still have the date in french (lun for lundi), I guess because I choose french keyboard or "Paris" timezone
[08:29] <seb128> didrocks, it's the tz
[08:29] <seb128> it's annoying
[08:29] <seb128> I keep having the issue since I'm usually not in France but I do french installs
[08:29] <seb128> I think they respect LC_TIME or something
[08:29] <seb128> for date formats
[08:30] <seb128> and start of week
[08:30] <didrocks> interesting
[08:30] <didrocks> annoying when you travel to China or Japan for us I guess :p
[08:40] <flexiondotorg> Morning desktopers
[08:40] <oSoMoN> good morning flexiondotorg
[09:02] <seb128> hey flexiondotorg , how are you?
[09:10] <popey> Morning all
[09:11] <popey> Is artful wayland-by-default now? I don't seem to be able to start an X session
[09:12] <didrocks> popey: it's not yet (next Monday)
[09:12] <didrocks> popey: but gdm has a bug which doesn't start necesserally the session you select
[09:19] <didrocks> seb128: do you have the wiki page handy to trigger an autopkgtest remote suggesting another package from proposed?
[09:20] <didrocks> I remember your asked the other day, but can't find back the link in the discussion thread in my IRC logs
[09:24] <popey> didrocks: ah, that'll be the problem I guess. I have apps which only work on x
[09:25] <didrocks> popey: echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE
[09:25] <didrocks> that's how you know in which "flavor" your are :)
[09:25] <didrocks> what*
[09:26] <didrocks> or just sudo any app :p
[09:26] <popey> ok
[09:35] <popey> didrocks: yeah, wayland..
[09:35] <popey> which bug is it that you mentioned?
[09:36] <didrocks> popey: bug #1705157
[09:37] <didrocks> popey: we'll see if "doing wayland by default" may fix it, so pending on that first
[09:40] <popey> discovered that evince fails on wayland + aa = bug 1710487
[09:47] <seb128> didrocks, I did it by adding &trigger=<package>%2F<version> to the retry url
[09:47] <seb128> popey, thanks
[09:52] <didrocks> seb128: oh ok, thanks!
[09:56] <xnox> didrocks, and gdm will run under wayland too? i wonder if i should not hardcode X check in systemd autopkgtests then.
[09:57] <didrocks> xnox: gdm will run under wayland, only the live session won't for ubiquity right now
[09:57] <didrocks> xnox: you can easily do that in /etc/gdm3/custom.conf
[09:57] <didrocks> WaylandEnable=false
[09:58] <didrocks> (that's what I'm doing in casper_bottom)
[09:58] <xnox> ack thanks.
[10:05]  * popey spies Lan ey offering to fix upstream bug 733297 - I would come and be a personal scarecrow on his allotment if he did! :)
[10:06] <popey> bah, gnome bug 733297
[10:36] <seb128> popey, comment on the bug, maybe feedback is going to make them reply at some point
[10:42] <ejat> what is the best way to remove unity from 17.10 ?
[10:42] <ejat> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25311633/
[10:44] <ouroumov> seb128, I emailed -devel regarding bug #1700930 but I don't know if the mail was transmitted (cleared list moderator approval), do you have some information regarding this?
[11:19] <willcooke> jbicha, would you mind taking a look at my comment in:  https://trello.com/c/Ob58BJx0
[11:19] <willcooke> jbicha, see if you think that is the correct place for that override?  I saw some bug comments over the weekend about this, and r_basak emailed to the Desktop list saying he'd noticed it was still a problem.
[11:20] <willcooke> IMO, turning this off is the right thing to do - it's causing problems and is non-obvious on how to fix.  Setting the default to off and allowing those who want to enable it to do so themselves seems like a better default.
[11:21] <willcooke> However, I've also seen talk of this being fixed elsewhere, but I think we should still set that option for Ubuntu users.
[11:21] <willcooke> seb128, FYI ^  Did some reading, I think we should turn it off
[11:25] <seb128> ouroumov, good
[11:25] <seb128> willcooke, yeah, I think I agree with that
[11:47] <popey> willcooke: do we have a plan for the things in unity settings which aren't in gnome settings? Specifically I have no way to turn off/on whoopsie, and missing link to my whoosie reports?
[11:48] <popey> http://imgur.com/a/fCGWF that panel
[11:48] <seb128> popey, do you know about the desktop trello board?
[11:48] <popey> i do
[11:48]  * popey goes looking
[11:49] <seb128> popey, https://trello.com/c/d7hbWgLd/139-add-whoopsie-settings-to-gnome-control-center
[11:49] <seb128> or bug #1698035
[11:49] <popey> found it! :D
[11:49] <popey> thanks
[11:49] <seb128> yw
[11:51] <ricotz> hey desktopers, would be nice to get glib 2.53.5 and gobject-intospection 1.53.5 picked up :)
[11:55] <seb128> ricotz, that's a job for Laney but he's still not back from his debconf trip
[11:55] <seb128> so I guess later in the week or next week
[11:56] <seb128> ricotz, is there any reason we need it now? or it's just allergy or having a versions outdated since a few days? ;-)
[11:57] <ricotz> seb128, I haven't actually checked, but I doubt all mkenum fixes are included
[11:58] <seb128> ricotz, I've not seen signs of big problems so I think we are fine waiting for L_aney to be back
[11:58] <seb128> also didrocks wanted to get the per desktop override transition through first
[11:58] <ricotz> seb128, alright
[12:45] <jbicha> yeah, Lan_ey and didrocks both basically said not to touch glib so I'll let them figure it out :)
[12:46] <jbicha> willcooke: seb128: but should we disable the mac randomization feature by default for zesty too?
[12:48] <willcooke> jbicha, it's a tricky one - if we can do the config files in such a way that we don't break people's current config (which I /think/ we can do via conf.d -> 90-disable-mac-randomisation.conf for e.g.) then yes - but could be risky.  WDYT?
[12:50] <jbicha> I don't see it as risky, but we can evaluate after fixing artful
[12:51] <willcooke> jbicha, cool!  Are you happy to look at making that change?  I think the conf.d is the right way to do it and I think I know how to make the patch, but figured it would take you 20 mins and me about 4 hours :D
[12:53] <jbicha> yes
[12:53] <willcooke> thanks jbicha, much appreciated
[12:56] <jbicha> I'd like to update gvfs to 1.33.90. There's one bug I identified. We'll just have to figure out which solution we want but I'm not sure that should hold up the update at this point
[12:56] <jbicha> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=786013
[13:06] <seb128> jbicha, the bug seems an annoyance but yeah probably not worth blocking the update
[13:13] <seb128> jbicha, the url of the link on https://trello.com/c/IjsvETMu/243-reduce-gtk2-presence-in-default-install is buggy, I don't find how to edit though, do we need to delete and add a new one?
[13:15] <jbicha> done (removed and added a working link)
[13:16] <seb128> thanks
[13:27] <Laney> ricotz: I started it, the test fail - see pkg-gnome svn
[13:27] <Laney> tests*
[13:28] <willcooke> hi Laney!
[13:28] <Laney> I would appreciate it if you would look into that, otherwise it's on my wednesday list
[13:28] <Laney> hey willcooke, how's it going?
[13:28] <willcooke> Laney, it goes.  You got home ok I assume?
[13:28] <Laney> ya, not too many problems
[13:28] <Laney> I just slept 22:00 -> 13:40 /o\
[13:29] <willcooke> ha
[13:29] <willcooke> that sounds like my kind of evening
[13:29] <oSoMoN> same timezone?
[13:30] <Laney> yep
[13:30] <oSoMoN> that’s quite a good night :)
[13:32] <Laney> the previous night was 0 hours :P
[13:32] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you?
[13:32] <seb128> Laney, debconf was good?
[13:36] <Laney> hey seb128
[13:36] <Laney> bit disoriented, need to go shopping and stuff, but yeah I'm good!
[13:36] <Laney> nice to be back
[13:36] <Laney> you?
[13:36] <Laney> debconf was great yeah
[13:37] <Laney> the last day was a lot about autopkgtesting
[13:37] <Laney> someone is working on enabling that stuff in debian now like we have
[13:37] <Laney> wonder if we should hook autosync up to that when it exists in some way
[13:41] <seb128> Laney, I'm good thanks, though travelling tonight/tomorrow which I could have done without but not point going to complain much, I'm going to have a long w.e in exchange :-)
[13:42] <seb128> ah, having autopkgtests enabled in Debian would be nice
[13:42] <seb128> end of syncing things that fail but where they care less than us because it's not a blocker on their side!
[13:42] <Laney> indeed
[13:55] <kenvandine> hey didrocks
[13:56] <seb128> hey kenvandine, how are you? what's up with greeting only didrocks and not us :-)
[13:56] <kenvandine> hey seb128 :)
[13:56] <kenvandine> seb128, i had a request of didrocks... but he ran away from me :)
[13:56] <kenvandine> good morning desktoppers!
[13:57] <oSoMoN> hey kenvandine
[13:58] <seb128> kenvandine, he's travelling today so IRC might not be stable for him
[13:59] <kenvandine> ah, i'll shoot him an email
[13:59] <kenvandine> th
[13:59] <kenvandine> thx
[13:59] <seb128> yw
[14:00]  * kenvandine needs to relocate, bbiab
[14:01] <didrocks> ricotz: you can touch glib now, I just want the current one in proposed to transition first though
[14:01] <didrocks> jbicha: FYI ^
[14:02] <didrocks> (and if you sync back from debian, please ensure you have the destkop-base patch in)
[14:06] <jbicha> didrocks: how about gnome-session and gdm?
[14:13] <Gargoyle> Hi All. Been using ubuntu for a long time on servers and dabbled with desktop on previous laptops, but never stuck with it really. Now though, I have build a new workstation which has Ubuntu as the main OS (And Windows+Steam for games! ;-) I'll probably just lurk around in the background and ask some n00b questions. But would really like to eventually get into some development so I can help fix some of the annoyances - instead
[14:13] <Gargoyle> of just moaning about them on Twitter! :D
[14:21] <willcooke> can anyone else reproduce this?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm3/+bug/1710637
[14:21] <willcooke> desktoppers ^
[14:23] <willcooke> Gargoyle, good to see you here! Please ask away, although non-development questions are probably more likely to get an answer in #ubuntu.  But it's good to have you here :)
[14:25] <willcooke> Saviq, can you find a reliable way to reproduce that?  I can't make it break here ^
[14:27] <Saviq> willcooke: I'll try, will post in the bug if I do
[14:27] <willcooke> Saviq, thanks
[14:30] <seb128> willcooke, never saw/hit that itself myself
[14:34] <oSoMoN> never experienced that bug, sounds really bad
[14:37] <seb128> jbicha, do you know if bug #1689825 is something flatpak upstream is aware of?
[14:37] <seb128> it's quite an annoying issue
[14:38] <seb128> I wonder if we should make unity-session conflicts with dbus-user-session or something to prevent users to get bitten by that
[14:40] <jbicha> seb128: my understanding is that the flatpak ppa part of the bug is fixed now, the maintainer was on vacation
[14:42] <seb128> jbicha, do you have any pointer to an upstream discussion when I can refear to in the launchpad bug?
[14:44] <jbicha> I emailed him twice, finally got a reply this morning ;)
[14:45] <jbicha> but popey managed to find him quicker ;) https://twitter.com/gnomealex/status/895263690982928384
[14:47] <jbicha> also discussed last week here https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2017/08/09/%23ubuntu-desktop.html#t12:29
[14:49] <Gargoyle> Thanks, willcooke. :-)
[14:49] <seb128> jbicha, thanks
[14:55] <willcooke> errunds, bbiab
[15:23] <jbicha> "Actually totem's still not fixed really. I only made acceleration work, but totem stutters and uses higher CPU than it should
[15:24] <jbicha> My initial analysis lask week showed that totem is redrawing/resizing its entire widget tree on every video frame, like 60 times per second. That might be part of the issue."
[15:24] <Gargoyle> So here's the first one which seems to be a limitation of the current snap stuff, not sure if that qualifies it as development or not. >>>I installed Hiri via a snap package, but I cannot choose it as my default mail application.
[15:24] <jbicha> sorry, posted in wrong channel
[15:27] <jdstrand> kenvandine: thanks again for working through the wayland pr. fyi, you probably saw it, but I added a commit for QT_QPA_PLATFORM=wayland-egl for plasma just now
[15:30] <kenvandine> jdstrand, cool!
[15:44] <seb128> k, going offline to travel, see you later
[15:44] <jbicha> yay, we can break stuff while he's gone ;)
[15:44] <kenvandine> :-D
[15:50] <willcooke> back.  1 train ticket.  No haircuts.
[15:52] <jbicha> aww, I didn't get a chance to break anything yet :(
[15:52] <kenvandine> damn...
[17:03] <willcooke> off to meet Seb, later all
[17:04]  * jbicha returns to breaking stuff
[17:05] <jdstrand> kenvandine: hey, I see popey granted an override for simple-scan (fine), but curious why. it seems like it would work well as a confined snap
[17:05] <kenvandine> jdstrand, i'm hoping to get it working confined, but haven't had time to spend on it yet
[17:06] <jdstrand> I see
[17:06] <jdstrand> well, please report anything you find :)
[17:07] <kenvandine> jdstrand, i still need to fix external symlinks though
[17:32] <didrocks> jbicha: sorry, the wifi was really spotty on the train
[17:33] <didrocks> jbicha: you can update gdm. I have several modification still on gnome-session, so please hold off on that one until early next week
[17:33] <didrocks> jbicha: same for g-c-c (and g-s)
[18:41] <jbicha> fossfreedom: I pushed budgie-desktop built against mutter 3.25.90 to the GNOME3 Staging PPA
[18:41] <fossfreedom> jbicha, yep - just built it in our PPA using the gnome3 staging PPA
[18:43] <jbicha> it sounds like gnome-shell/mutter 3.25.90 won't land in artful this week but I'm working with didrocks and others on those details