[00:01] <hggdh> RiotingPacifist: what Ubuntu version?
[00:09] <RiotingPacifist> hggdh, karmic but the bug comes from either a ppa kde or a ppa xorg
[00:12] <hggdh> RiotingPacifist: please check the PPA for instructions on how to report bugs. Usually PPA bugs will be rejected INVALID unless they come from an, er,  official group
[00:13] <hggdh> for example, for my PPA you should email me directly
[00:13] <hggdh> (but I do not deal with X/KDE, right now only coreutils)
[00:15] <RiotingPacifist> the kubuntu-beta-PPA has a small but apparently active bug tracker, if its an X problem then the xorg is current enough i can go straight to upstream
[00:17] <hggdh> there you go, then. But it does sounds like a bug indeed
[00:17] <RiotingPacifist> i want to be sure im not filing it in the wrong place though, i've assumed it's kdm because startx ran fine, but i dunno
[00:19] <hggdh> RiotingPacifist: sounds reasonable to me
[00:23] <RiotingPacifist> hggdh: thx for the advice, have a nice day
[00:23] <hggdh> RiotingPacifist: welcome
[00:28]  * micahg wishes we could disable comments on certain bugs
[00:28] <hggdh> mind giving me the #? Just for fun?
[00:28] <micahg> bug 410959
[00:28] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 410959 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] Firefox 3.6" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/410959
[00:29] <micahg> bug 314668
[00:29] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 314668 in baltix "[needs-packaging] Thunderbird 3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/314668
[00:29] <micahg> nothing anyone that's posting says will make it go faster
[00:30] <hggdh> heh
[00:30] <BUGabundo> LOL
[00:30]  * BUGabundo poor micahg
[00:30] <hggdh> at least these are not the HUGE me-too thingies
[00:30] <micahg> yep, we've got those too
[00:30] <BUGabundo> ahah
[00:31] <BUGabundo> I remember the time I was subbed to NM bugs
[00:31] <BUGabundo> urg
[02:28] <fujimitsu> is there a debugging symbols package for dragon player [kde]
[02:32] <crimsun> fujimitsu: http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/pool/main/k/kdemultimedia/
[02:33] <fujimitsu> nice
[02:33] <fujimitsu> kpackagekit doesnt list any of that
[02:35] <hggdh> fujimitsu: did you add the ddebs to your sources.list?
[02:35] <fujimitsu> i guess thats it
[07:18] <coyo> hey guys, i am interested in becoming involved with bug triaging
[07:18] <coyo> where do you want me?
[07:18] <coyo> i have some time on my hands, and am in cst (-6) time
[07:18] <coyo> i am usually available in mornings and evenings
[07:44] <vish> !triaging
[07:44] <ubot4> Factoid 'triaging' not found
[07:45] <vish> !topic | coyo
[07:45] <ubot4> coyo: Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[07:45] <vish> coyo: all the necessary links are in the topic :)
[07:46] <coyo> vish: thanks >.>
[07:46] <vish> np..
[07:46] <coyo> i already opened all links in /topic
[07:46] <coyo> but thanks
[07:46] <coyo> it's unusual someone other than me are so nice to newbies, i appreciate it
[07:46]  * coyo reads diligently
[10:50] <BUGabundo_remote> seb128: FYI https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/509079
[10:50] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 509079 in nautilus "nautilus has tabs on bottom" [Undecided,New]
[10:51] <seb128> it's not a bug
[10:51] <BUGabundo_remote> :(
[10:51] <BUGabundo_remote> its not ?
[10:51] <seb128> I've not open the url but the title is clear
[10:51] <seb128> no
[10:51] <seb128> upstream decided it would be clearer this way
[10:51] <seb128> to not have toolbar, url bar, tabs, etc stacked
[10:51] <BUGabundo_remote> well, from user POV its not
[10:51] <seb128> they disagree
[10:52] <BUGabundo_remote> I know
[10:52] <seb128> you can't say what users prefer or not
[10:52] <BUGabundo_remote> they always do... :(
[10:52] <BUGabundo_remote> and user suffer
[10:52] <seb128> you need studies for that
[10:52] <seb128> not random claims because you don't like a change
[10:52] <BUGabundo_remote> well, how about *every* other up ?
[10:52] <BUGabundo_remote> *app
[10:52] <seb128> I've work to do sorry
[10:52] <BUGabundo_remote> gonna change firefox, chromium, gedit too?
[10:52] <seb128> I'm not wanting to start that troll with you
[10:52] <seb128> I'm not the one who decided
[10:53] <BUGabundo_remote> I know
[10:53] <BUGabundo_remote> not trying to troll seb128
[10:53] <seb128> so don't try to argue with me
[10:53] <BUGabundo_remote> its not my agenda
[10:53] <seb128> I don't care either way I don't use tabs
[10:53] <BUGabundo_remote> ahah
[10:53] <seb128> I'm just telling you they did it on purpose for your information
[10:53] <seb128> you should join #nautilus on irc.gnome.org
[10:53] <seb128> and talk to alex
[10:53] <seb128> or send a mail on their list
[10:59] <BUGabundo_remote> thanks seb128. will do
[12:17] <kamusin> hey
[12:25] <pedro_> morning kamusin
[12:28] <kamusin> hey pedro_ !
[12:28] <BlackZ> hiho pedro_
[12:29] <pedro_> hello BlackZ
[12:32] <kamusin> today is a good day :)
[13:45] <om26er> please mark this 'won't fix'  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/331406
[13:45] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 331406 in empathy "Add "account view"" [Wishlist,Triaged]
[13:47] <pedro_> om26er, i'll mark it as such if you add the comment explaining why ;-)
[13:47] <om26er> ok
[13:50] <om26er> pedro_, now
[13:51] <pedro_> om26er, done
[13:51] <pedro_> hello hggdh
[13:52] <hggdh> hi pedro_
[14:48] <om26er__> please mark this triaged https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/509160
[14:48] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 509160 in empathy "/join fails to work on the latest version of empathy" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[14:51] <jpds> om26er__: Done.
[14:51] <om26er__> jpds, thanx
[15:11] <om26er_> please make this triaged/wishlist https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/498596
[15:11] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 498596 in empathy "empathy fails to ask for "want to see status" after adding new ICQ users" [Undecided,New]
[15:11] <bddebian> Boo
[15:16] <BUGabundo_remote> foo
[15:18] <kamusin> duh
[15:20] <qense> seb128: Are you working on bug 507975, or shall I move it to Triaged and assign the Canonical DX team?
[15:20] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 507975 in nautilus "nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV in g_type_check_instance_cast()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/507975
[15:20] <qense> It was the bug with the crash because of the AppIndicator integration.
[15:20] <seb128> I'm working on it
[15:20] <seb128> or will work on it
[15:21] <seb128> I didn't start yet
[15:21] <qense> OK, shall I then assign you and mark it as Triaged still?
[15:22] <seb128> hum
[15:22] <seb128> I can do that if you want
[15:22] <seb128> seems that bug bothers you ;-)
[15:22] <qense> nah, just its status ;) statistics!
[15:23] <seb128> qense, done
[15:23] <qense> seb128: thanks
[17:18] <atrus> On karmic alphas, whenever an app crashed, i'd have the option of retrieving and/or submitting tracebacks. That doesn't seem to work in karmic. I've tried enabling apport in /etc/default/apport, and running 'sudo start apport', but i don't get anything, Thoughts?
[17:19] <micahg> atrus: did you do sudo service start apport?
[17:20] <atrus> micahg: stop: unrecognized service
[17:20] <atrus> 'sudo start apport' says 'start: Job is already running: apport'
[17:20] <WeatherGod> the server edition doesn't come with apport installed, I think
[17:21] <atrus> apport is definitely installed
[17:21] <atrus> micahg: sorry, the 'unrecognized service' is true with start or stop.
[17:21] <atrus> apt-cache policy apport says 'Installed: 1.9.3-0ubuntu4.2'
[17:22] <micahg> atrus: that's karmic...
[17:22] <yofel> micahg: he said karmic
[17:22] <atrus> right.
[17:22] <micahg> atrus: yeah, that's the right version with the fix
[17:22] <atrus> fix?
[17:22] <micahg> do you have a 1 in /etc/default/apport?
[17:22] <charlie-tca__> Why are you using karmic 9.10 alpha?
[17:23] <atrus> micahg: "enabled=1", yes.
[17:23] <charlie-tca__> nm
[17:23] <om26er> please mark this wishlist https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/498596
[17:23] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 498596 in empathy "empathy fails to ask for "want to see status" after adding new ICQ users" [Undecided,New]
[17:23] <atrus> charlie-tca__: i'm not. i used to, but upgrading to karmic broke the bug catching. :)
[17:23] <micahg> atrus: it should work
[17:23] <charlie-tca__> yup, along with other things that installing new let work again.
[17:24] <atrus> hmm.
[17:24] <atrus> i shouldn't need to reboot, should i?
[17:24] <micahg> atrus: no
[17:24]  * charlie-tca__ thinks "even better, upgrading to lucid..."
[17:25] <atrus> hm. have to restart a login session perhaps? logout/login, or start another processes somewhere?
[17:25] <yofel> atrus: is the init file there?
[17:25] <yofel> I can't think of any other reson why it should say 'unrecognized service'
[17:25] <atrus> yofel: the init file is obsolete, it's a wrapper for the upstart job.
[17:25] <atrus> er
[17:26] <atrus> /etc/init/apport exists, yes. that's why 'sudo start apport' runs successfully. (not sure what the difference between 'sudo start apport' and 'sudo service start apport' is...)
[17:26] <yofel> atrus: well, do you have /etc/init/apport.conf or /etc/init.d/apport (dunno anymore what karmic uses)
[17:26] <yofel> okay...
[17:26] <atrus> /etc/init.d/apport is the wrapper. 'service' seems to only work with sysvinit, according to the man page, and not upstart jobs?
[17:27] <atrus> but i'd think that would see the wrapper at least.
[17:27] <yofel> yeah, it should be symlinked to the wrapper
[17:27] <atrus> is there a process that should be running after 'sudo start apport'?
[17:28] <atrus> hrm. "/etc/init.d/apport stop" doesn't do anything. "sudo stop apport" does.
[17:28] <atrus> anyways, that's moving more and more off-topic :)
[17:29] <yofel> atrus: does 'cat /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern' mention apport?
[17:29] <atrus> |/usr/share/apport/apport %p %s %c
[17:30] <yofel> hm, then apport should be running fine and be called once an application crashes
[17:31] <atrus> hrm. /var/log/apport is actually recording results... now, the executable in question is not in a package at all (as backed up by the log). is a backtrace going to go anywhere, is just be silently deleted by apport?
[17:32] <atrus> it's an executable i built myself, and i assumed apport would at least let me view the backtrace, even if submitting it to launchpad didn't make sense. maybe that was an mistake on my part.
[17:34] <yofel> atrus: for a self-created executable you're better off running gdb yourself
[17:35] <atrus> yofel: yeah.. then i have to enable coredumps, find a core file, load in gdb... it would be much nicer to just handle it all in one place. oh well.
[17:36] <yofel> atrus: uuuh... just run the executable in gdm from the beginning, will slow it down a bit, but when it crashes you just have to type 'bt' to get the trace
[17:36] <atrus> yofel: that would assume I know how to reproduce the crash.
[17:36] <yofel> true
[17:36] <atrus> i mean, i could just run the application in gdb every time i use it for the next few days :)
[17:36] <atrus> apport is just so much simpler.
[17:37] <yofel> okay, yes, apport ignores non-packaged binaries by default
[17:38] <atrus> do you know if it's possible to change that? I didn't see anything in /etc/apport that looked relevant.
[17:43] <atrus> the changelog seems to indicate it should be possible, at least :)
[17:44] <yofel> I'm just looking through the code a bit, seems possbile, but I don't exactly understand how yet
[17:44] <yofel> seems like you need to set it in ~/.config/apport/settings
[17:45] <atrus> given the system-level daemon says 'ignoring' in the log, i wonder if i need a system-level config, although i can't find one other than crashdb, which seems a bit unrelated.
[17:45]  * montel was thinking of joining the Bug Team
[17:45] <montel> who should i talk to about that?
[17:45] <yofel> montel: hggdh should be a good person to ask
[17:46] <montel> 2 hr idle :(
[17:46] <montel> heh it looks like all you guys have random nicks.
[17:46] <yofel> montel: did you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/GettingInvolved ?
[17:47]  * micahg doesn't have a random nick...
[17:47] <montel> no.. i read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugControl
[17:47] <montel> ohai micahg :)
[17:47] <maco> hggdh's nick is hebrew, and hebrew's got no vowels, so...
[17:48] <montel> i didn't know that they had no vowels
[17:48] <montel> interesting
[17:49] <atrus> yofel: i have to run, but ill dig around a bit. thanks muchly yofel, micahg.
[17:49] <micahg> maco: hebrew has vowels, they're just not usually writte :)
[17:49] <Yos> There  are vowels, just not in the written language...there's no need for it
[17:49] <Yos> Yep ^^
[17:49] <maco> micahg: we're in text, same difference
[18:56] <hggdh> ah well. Who was looking for me?
[18:58] <thekorn> hggdh, montel - I think
[18:59] <hggdh> montel: ping
[18:59] <hggdh> thank you, thekorn
[18:59] <thekorn> hggdh, no problemo
[19:11] <WeatherGod> crimsun, do you think you could take a look at bug 469831?
[19:11] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 469831 in pulseaudio "No sound except when headphones are plugged in - Ubuntu 9.10 - Lenovo 3000 N100" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/469831
[19:11] <WeatherGod> I have forgotten about it and the OR just pinged me about it
[19:12] <WeatherGod> it is one of those odd ones where plugging the headphones into the computer causes sound to play over the speakers
[19:15] <atrus> yofel: did you get any sense of what the file format of ~/.config/apport/settings is supposed to be?
[19:16] <atrus> i keep getting MissingSectionHeaderError, and I can't find any documentation about the file.
[19:22] <atrus> yofel: by chance, i tried '[main]\nunpackaged=True' and it worked. huzzah. thanks again!
[19:23] <yofel> :)
[19:32] <montel> hggdh: pong
[19:32] <vish> hmm , is Bug #446657 really  a bug in gnome-bluetooth? or is it a bug due to the kernel not remembering the killswitch state?
[19:32] <hggdh> montel: hi, what can I do for you?
[19:32] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 446657 in gnome-bluetooth "gnome-bluetooth should store user-selected bluetooth on/off status and apply it when loading the applet" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/446657
[19:33] <montel> hggdh: i was interested in joining the team. i have triaged a few bugs, with #389322 being most memorable
[19:34] <hggdh> bug 389322
[19:34] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 389322 in pidgin "Yahoo server authentication changed: Pidgin =<2.5.6 will not connect to Yahoo! servers." [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/389322
[19:34] <hggdh> montel: there are two different teams -- busquad and bug-control. Which of the two?
[19:35] <atrus> so, what's the gui session component that responds to apport events?
[19:36] <montel> Oh, emm.
[19:37] <montel> hggdh: what would you recommend?
[19:38] <hggdh> montel: well, eventually you should graduate to bug-control. The only (important) difference between both is that b-control member can set a bug to triaged, and change Importance.
[19:39] <hggdh> montel: I see you have been working a lot with pidgin
[19:39] <montel> Yes hggh.
[19:40] <montel> oh, i'm already a member of the bug squad.
[19:40] <hggdh> heh. You missed a 'd' on my nick ;-)
[19:41] <montel> strange.. i did tab complete
[19:41] <montel> Or maybe i didnt. lol
[19:41] <hggdh> montel: I can only find about 20 actions on bugs, about 13 this year
[19:42] <hggdh> I would personally like to see more bug activity before you apply for bug-control
[19:42] <montel> hggdh: that was because the only way I could get on the internet was the library. Now, i have a 3G modem so i'm on all day.
[19:43] <hggdh> cool.
[19:43] <montel> So I guess i'll just work on some more :)
[19:44] <montel> hggdh: how many do the average users have of bug control?
[19:44] <vish> if anyone thinks Bug #446657 is a gnome-bluetooth bug > could you set it to triaged
[19:44] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 446657 in gnome-bluetooth "gnome-bluetooth should store user-selected bluetooth on/off status and apply it when loading the applet" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/446657
[19:45] <hggdh> montel: difficult to say, but certainly more than 20 bugs... We usually look at the five bugs you are expected to give us as example of work you did, and sometimes we search for others
[19:45] <tyranos> can someone help me file a bug
[19:45] <vish> tyranos: in which package?
[19:45] <hggdh> montel: but -- right now -- I cannot see enough work to ascertain you know what you are doing, or not
[19:46] <montel> tyranos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[19:46] <vish> tyranos: or rather what is the problem? :)
[19:46] <tyranos> thx guys
[19:46] <charlie-tca__> vish: what importance for 446657?
[19:46] <montel> hggdh: I totally understand.
[19:46] <montel> thanks.
[19:46] <hggdh> montel: also -- being present here -- and asking questions if you have a doubt, and helping out others -- counts a lot
[19:46] <tyranos> vish, in hwinfo , sudo hwinfo --framebuffer crashed my laptop
[19:47] <hggdh> just like what you did ;-)
[19:47]  * montel adds #ubuntu-bugs to auto join list
[19:47] <vish> charlie-tca__: I'm not really sure of that bug... it looks more like a kernel issue... i want someone to have a look at it.. its been sent as a gnome-bluetooth bug :S
[19:47] <hggdh> montel: :-) thank you. I will be happy to +1 you when you show more work.
[19:47] <vish> sent upstream*
[19:48] <charlie-tca__> Looks like a wishlist, but it has been sent upstream
[19:48] <montel> :)
[19:48] <tyranos> montel the link u sent me is for apps with gui i guess
[19:48] <montel> tyranos: no, not really.
[19:48] <montel> tyranos: you could do 'ubuntu-bug hwinfo'
[19:49] <montel> that'll generate a bug report also
[19:49] <tyranos> thx that is coo
[19:49] <tyranos> l
[19:49] <charlie-tca__> gnome-bluetooth should be able to remember the status, I would think
[19:49] <tyranos> should i do it on the same computer that crashed
[19:50] <hggdh> hum. But tyranos is right, the page gives emphasys to graphical (even when showing 'ubuntu-bug').
[19:50] <vish> charlie-tca__: ok , thanks for checking.. :) i was confused since i'v reported a similar issue ;) > Bug #503286
[19:50] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 503286 in linux "Bluetooth killswitch does not remember previous session state" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/503286
[19:51] <vish> tyranos: yes
[19:51] <charlie-tca__> vish: done
[19:51] <hggdh> tyranos: ideally yes, unless you are 100% sure they have the exact same packages and hardware
[19:51] <hggdh> (which, BTW, I never am sure of)
[19:54] <montel> Launchpad is so slow for me :(
[19:54] <tyranos> thx god they dont have same hardware , the laptop is a samsung r60 + , this laptop is a linux nightmare , with atheros which is now fixed but still not good enough , and an ati graphix and no more resume since a custom of hardy s kernel , fn-keys broke worst battery life ever :P
[19:54] <hggdh> heh
[19:56] <tyranos> i have like 4 major problems with that laptop , which i use as a secondary computer
[19:57] <tyranos> can i use my ubuntu forum login or should i make a new one for bugs.launchpad
[19:58] <hggdh> tyranos: I am not sure (been long ago I started here), but I think you can use it on both places (or it is the fora that allows in to login with OpenId from LP, not sure).
[19:59] <hggdh> so... please try ;-)
[20:01] <tyranos> turns out i already have but never used it
[20:03] <tyranos> so now i m coming to what is bugging me , y do i have to include an attachement , y doesnt ubuntu-bug do that
[20:04] <hggdh> if the package you are reporting against has a hook, then it should collect most of the necessary data automagically
[20:06] <montel> I'm sure there has to be a duplicate of Bug #509305
[20:06] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 509305 in firefox-3.5 "UBUNTU:FF finds youtube PLUGSIN missing, konqueror works" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/509305
[20:07]  * micahg was going to look at that later, but since you asked montel
[20:07] <tyranos> i just got this error in launchpad" Oops! ,Sorry somethin just went wrong in launchpad we've recorded what happened .............)
[20:07] <tyranos> lol
[20:08] <montel> micahg: :]
[20:08] <micahg> montel: user has swfdec-mozilla and adobe-flashplugin installed
[20:08] <micahg> probably removing swfdec will work
[20:08] <montel> what's swf-dec?
[20:08] <micahg> !info swfdec-mozilla > montel
[20:09] <maco> montel: its a Free flash plugin (instead of adobe's)
[20:09] <tyranos> thx for the help guys , but you should work on making bug reporting easier
[20:09] <maco> good enough for youtube, not so good for things like flash games
[20:09] <montel> ah. i was thinking of Gnash
[20:09] <micahg> montel: just another one
[20:09] <montel> mhmm.
[20:10] <vish> tyranos: any suggestions? :) [sometimes we get used to old ways]
[20:10] <hggdh> tyranos: welcome, and we do listen :-)
[20:11] <tyranos> i ve been using ubuntu since 2006 and never filed a bug , well i have to , ill be back later and make some suggestions
[20:11] <tyranos> i have to go
[20:12] <maco> heh i filed my first bug report after like a month...and then it turned out to be pebkac and i was wasting seb128's time, though i did get him nice & confused when grep didn't return what he expected :P
[20:12] <montel> micahg: How did you find out that he had swf-dec installed?
[20:13]  * montel has to go
[20:13] <vish> tyranos: the launchpad error with "we've recorded what happened" doesnt meanthe bug was filed... :(  did you try again and file bug?
[20:13] <micahg> montel: FF has an apport hook which attached several files, the one called profile_default_pluginreg.dat.txt has the plugin information
[20:17] <tyranos> vish, hggdh,  well that is what pisses me off the bugreporting tool is buggy itself (nothing is perfect but this should be a priority ) , i normaly try to fix things myself and contribute if i can but never filed a bug , however finaly today i made it here to this chat and when i comeback later i ll finish what i started and report like 5 bugs that are really bugging me  ,and many thx
[20:17] <vish> tyranos: the bug reporting tool wasnt the problem , launchpad site , seems to have had a temporary problem
[20:18] <hggdh> tyranos: a bit of bad luck with launchpad, I would say. Please do not that ruin your day.
[20:20] <tyranos> no guys , im cool it is just this frustration  , and maybe i can help making reporting bugs easier, cya later
[20:20] <hggdh> tyranos: thank you, and hope you can back later
[20:30] <vish> is there a way to search the bugwatches and find if the bug watch exists in an other lp bug?
[20:30] <vish> user found upstream bgo for Bug #387846 , but seb has closed the bug as a dup.. [i cant find dup ]
[20:30] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 387846 in nautilus "Nautilus moves icons around when loading image thumbnails" [Low,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/387846
[20:34] <micahg> vish: this was listed in one of the upstream bugs: bug 401840
[20:34] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 401840 in nautilus "View of files scrolls up when thumbnails are being created" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/401840
[20:36] <vish> micahg: hehe , i didnt think of checking the upstream dups.. ;) aweome ,thanks :)
[20:36] <vish> awesome*
[20:37] <micahg> vish: one the LP -> upstream interaction gets going again, maybe LP can push it's bug #s upstream to b.g.o like it does to b.m.o
[20:37] <micahg> s/it's/its/
[20:38]  * vish wonders what's the progress on that bug... checks liferea for bug#  ;)
[20:40] <vish> Bug #506158 still in progress :(
[20:40] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 506158 in malone "checkwatches hammers the remote server when asking for changed bugs" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/506158
[20:52] <hggdh> well, at least they are looking at it
[20:52]  * hggdh now knows why bugzilla.gnome.org is sooo slow sometimes ;-)
[20:54] <vish> ;)
[20:55]  * vish hopes they prioritize Bug #414401 higher :)  ... getting tired of subscribing folks who hit-n-run bugs
[20:55] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 414401 in malone "Automatically subscribe users to bug mail when they post a comment" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/414401


[00:00] <evils[m]> blei: i really hope i'm wrong about this, but i think you're gonna have to do some scripting with computer vision stuff :(
[00:00] <blei> thats not how tool search works.
[00:01] <blei> if i wanted to build one myself the job would be done.
[00:01] <evils[m]> that is how tool search ends...
[00:02] <blei> contact sheets have been around as long as the internet, we probably have a tool for detecting the objects and splitting them into their own image files, without requiring that the designer used a grid
[00:02] <evils[m]> maybe see if you can find a computer vision channel, they'll be able to tell you what you should use instead of CV xD
[00:03] <sarnold> evils[m]: hehe :)
[00:03] <Bashing-om> evils[m]: Well ! At least you now know what the cause of the issue :D for comparison my /boot/ >> https://termbin.com/b1el .
[00:04] <evils[m]> Bashing-om: nah, i knew the symlink was wrong yesterday
[00:04] <evils[m]> getting the 5.15 stuff next to it is a step forward, but i still have to figure out how that symlink is generated
[00:06] <sarnold> blei: this seems promising "MULTICROP crops and unrotates multiple images from a scanned image. The images must be well separate so that background color shows between them."  http://www.fmwconcepts.com/imagemagick/multicrop/index.php
[00:11] <Bashing-om> evils[m]: Well consider - you have to have vmlinuz <IP_ADDRESS>.52 installed in order to symlink to it --- what shows ' dpkg -l | grep linux- ' // where we are looking at what version of linux-generic is installed.
[00:14] <evils[m]> i don't understand your message
[00:15] <evils[m]> oddly though, dpkgs -l shows up to 5.4.0-99-generic, but the newest in /boot is -21
[00:19] <Bashing-om> evils[m]: Were me in this case I would try and re-install linux-generic // ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt install --reinstall linux-generic ' . See if that pulls in the latest kernel.
[00:23] <evils[m]> i had been reinstalling linux-image-generic, but linux-generic seems to make no difference
[00:25] <Bashing-om> evils[m]: Back up one more step - - apt depends linux-generic says linux-image-generic as well as linux-headers-generic must be installed :(
[00:26] <evils[m]> linux-headers-generic was already installed
[00:28] <evils[m]> ls /
[00:28] <evils[m]> woeps
[00:33] <murmel> evils[m]: can you verify, that 5.15 installed correctly? afaik some had issues with /boot being too small
[00:33] <evils[m]> i have no idea how to verify that
[00:33] <murmel> evils[m]: I guess, just skim through your apt log?
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[00:39] <evils[m]> that's the entire log
[00:39] <evils[m]> also confirms 5.15 is installed, but 5.4 is detected instead by update-initramfs
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[00:55] <murmel> evils[m]: can you paste apt policy?
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[00:56] <evils[m]> bit long, it's chrome, bunch of jammy (and only jammy) sources, no pinned packages
[00:57] <murmel> evils[m]: how much freespace do you have on /boot?
[00:58] <evils[m]> 282MB
[00:58] <RacerXY> how install untbu?/
[00:58] <murmel> hm that's also enough
[00:58] <murmel> RacerXY: https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/install-ubuntu-desktop#1-overview
[00:59] <murmel> evils[m]: is linux-generic-hwe-22.04 installed?
[00:59] <RacerXY> damn that didnt go as planned ;D
[00:59] <evils[m]> murmel: it is not
[00:59] <murmel> evils[m]: can you please pull that in ;)
[01:02] <evils[m]> what's `hwe`?
[01:02] <murmel> evils[m]: it's the hardware stack enablement, which is installed by default on desktops
[01:02] <sarnold> hardware enablement
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[01:04] <evils[m]> that made no difference
[01:04] <evils[m]> (i removed the 5.15 initrd's that i had semi-manually generated earlier)
[01:06] <murmel> evils[m]: are the linux images the only packages which are "local" installed?
[01:06] <evils[m]> considering initrd and vmlinuz haven't been touched since 2020, i suspect something went wrong long ago
[01:06] <sarnold> evils[m]: hey, is this a container or something?
[01:06] <evils[m]> nope, it's my dad's desktop
[01:06] <sarnold> evils[m]: it's so strange that asking to install new hwe kernel things downloads SIX KILOBYTES of stuff rather than 100 megabytes
[01:07] <sarnold> evils[m]: hmm. okay.
[01:07] <murmel> I wonder if something is up with the zsys stuff :S no idea, never tried it
[01:07] <sarnold> evils[m]: I haven't really figured out zsys stuff .. and I haven't been following along very closely. But I think I'd be very tempted to apt purge all the 5.4 stuff
[01:08] <murmel> and then? having no kernel available?
[01:09] <evils[m]> sarnold: about the six kb, maybe it's because linux-generic was already installed?
[01:09] <sarnold> murmel: well, I'm rather hoping that once all the *old* stuff is purged, it'll be easier to get boot entries and initrds for the *new* kernels
[01:10] <murmel> evils[m]: can you please paste "apt list --installed | grep installed,local"? I still wonder if maybe the upgrade went wrong
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[01:10] <sarnold> murmel: it's certainly a risk that it'd be unbootable from then on, if you can't convince the newer kernels to install; depending upon how badly broken it is, maybe it'd even be impossible to put the old stuff back
[01:10] <murmel> sarnold: hm how would you get them if there are no new kernels + enough space
[01:11] <sarnold> murmel: "enough space"?
[01:11] <evils[m]> removing the 5.4 stuff is tempting, but i get a sensible warning, and i would really think it would detect 5.15 regardless of 5.4 being installed
[01:11] <murmel> there are 290megs free on /boot, which is definitely enough, (afair there were issues with too small /boot)
[01:11] <murmel> but can't remember that wel
[01:11] <murmel> l
[01:19] <evils[m]> and i'd think i'd see an error or at least a warning about insufficient space
[01:20] <sarnold> yeah, if that were the problem it'd probably be more visible
[01:22] <murmel> yeah, just wanted to point out that there were issues, and I am not 100% sure if do-release-upgrade or the gui would show that
[01:22] <murmel> as I found a bug where the upgrade crashes if you apt update on a different window
[02:36] <K2X4B> chat
[03:17] <jhutchins> murmel: I hardly think that's a bug.
[03:18] <murmel> jhutchins: so a different apt process can kill the apt upgrade of do-release-upgrade? pretty sure that _is_ a bug
[03:20] <jhutchins> The problem with making a system idiot proof is that they keep making better idiots.
[03:29] <xxy> after installing katoolin ,start command "katoolin" , i get error "bash: /usr/bin/katoolin: /usr/bin/python: bad interpreter: No such file or directory
[03:29] <xxy> ", i have installed python3 and python2 on my pc ,
[03:29] <murmel> jhutchins: idk, I was just working on the side and I wanted to look something up (can't remember what) and apt broke. and honestly I assumed the upgrade just runs in the background without any interference
[03:30] <jhutchins> murmel: Unverified assumptions are frequently a source of difficulty.
[03:30] <murmel> xxy: you would need to go to the katoolin support, as it's not in the ubuntu repos
[03:31] <jhutchins> xxy: Regardless of what you have installed, does /usr/bin/python exist?
[03:31] <xxy> jhutchins: it doesn't exist
[03:32] <jhutchins> xxy: Is python-minimal installed?
[03:33] <jhutchins> murmel: I would say that was a fairly basic system problem, not at all katoolin specific.
[03:34] <xxy> jhutchins: no, i try to install python-minimal first
[03:34] <jhutchins> xxy: /usr/bin/python is usually a symbolic link (in my case to python2).  You could try creating the link manually, but something should have created it for you.
[03:34] <jhutchins> !python
[03:35] <jhutchins> I doubt if that's of any use.
[03:37] <enigma9o7> python-is-python2 or python-is-python3
[03:37] <jhutchins> xxy: murmel may be right, a step-by-step install guide for katoolin might suggest how to enable it.
[03:38] <jhutchins> enigma9o7: Care to make sense of that?
[03:39] <jhutchins> xxy: What Ubuntu install are you running that doesn't have that link (and didn't have python2 installed by default)?
[03:39] <enigma9o7> I mean, install whichever one of those you want, it'll create the appropriate simlinks for you.
[03:39] <jhutchins> enigma9o7: Ah, a shell command perhaps?
[03:40] <jhutchins> Still, that shouldn't be necessary on a stock install.
[03:40] <themill> jhutchins: no recent releases have /usr/bin/python
[03:40] <jhutchins> themill: Nobody said he was on a recent release.
[03:40] <enigma9o7> no, for example `sudo apt install python3-is-python`
[03:41] <enigma9o7> or i mean `sudo apt install python-is-python3`
[03:41] <jhutchins> enigma9o7: Ah, that might work.  Still don't know why it'd be necessary.  Maybe the function faries have been fixing my system when I was asleep.
[03:41] <themill> jhutchins: «<jhutchins> Still, that shouldn't be necessary on a stock install.» is quite wrong.
[03:42] <jhutchins> Ok, he's all yours then. I clearly don't know anything about python.
[03:42] <xxy> jhutchins: my os is 20.04 , python3 is installed with os , and python2 is installed manually,
[03:42] <enigma9o7> Starting with the Debian 11 (bullseye) and Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (focal)
[03:42] <enigma9o7>  releases, all python packages use explicit python3 or python2
[03:42] <enigma9o7>  interpreter and do not use unversioned /usr/bin/python at all. Some
[03:42] <enigma9o7>  third-party code is now predominantly python3 based, yet may use
[03:42] <enigma9o7>  /usr/bin/python.
[03:42] <enigma9o7>  .
[03:42] <enigma9o7>  This is a convenience package which ships a symlink to point
[03:43] <jhutchins> enigma9o7: Wouldn't it be just as easy to manually create a link?
[03:44] <enigma9o7> If you know what you're doing, sure.  Those packages exist for convenience.
[04:28] <GimblySonOfOdin> Hello, I keep getting this error when trying to mount an external HDD via USB:  "mount: /media/extern2: /dev/sdb already mounted or mount point busy"   but when I try to unmount it, it says "umount: /dev/sdb: not mounted".    Can anyone tell me what's going on with this?
[04:29] <ravage> try sdb1
[04:30] <GimblySonOfOdin> That device doesn't exist.  It was working fine until I lost power, now it's not working. It's running and spinning fine..
[04:31] <gry> Have you tried to shut down the computer gracefully and then boot it up again?
[04:31] <GimblySonOfOdin> I did, multiple times.  I should also add the HDD is encrypted with LUKS and gets decrypted at boot time at the same time as the main drive
[04:32] <GimblySonOfOdin> Running  "sudo cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdb /mount/tmp"     gave me "Cannot use device /dev/sdb which is in use (already mapped or mounted)."   after thinking about it for a couple of seconds
[04:40] <ravage> the 3rd argument of cryptsetup is a name for the mapper device to be created. not a mountpoint
[04:41] <ravage> given that /dev/sdb is really your luks device ""sudo cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdb crypto" should create /dev/mapper/crypto
[04:41] <ravage> and then you mount /dev/mapper/crypto to your mountpoint. if that devices has a mountable filesystem
[04:42] <GimblySonOfOdin> Ahh, thanks. Trying it out
[04:43] <GimblySonOfOdin> Same issue, unfortunately. This error is returned by the cryptsetup command: "Cannot use device /dev/sdb which is in use (already mapped or mounted)."
[04:43] <ravage> "sudo lsblk --fs" should print everything already in use
[04:46] <GimblySonOfOdin> I see it listed there:     sdb ->  luks-07{...hash}      ext4 (FSTYPE column)          but there is no mountpoint listed
[04:48] <ravage> !paste | GimblySonOfOdin
[04:48] <GimblySonOfOdin> is it safe to post the UUIDs?
[04:48] <ravage> nothing secret about them really
[04:51] <GimblySonOfOdin> https://dpaste.com/FUXJLTTE6
[04:52] <ravage> so do you have something like /dev/mapper/luks-07....
[04:53] <GimblySonOfOdin> yes, I see it there
[04:53] <ravage> try "sudo fsck.ext4 -y /devmapper/luks-07..."
[04:53] <ravage> + /
[04:56] <GimblySonOfOdin> idk what that did, but it completed without any errors
[04:56] <ravage> "sudo mount /dev/mapper/luks-07495c3d-a5a6-411d-b42a-ed1ff3cf3c33 /media/extern2"
[04:56] <GimblySonOfOdin> That did it!
[04:57] <GimblySonOfOdin> But why did it start failing out of nowhere is the question.. it was working fine for months. Everytime the computer would boot up, it would get decrypted and mounted to the correct location
[04:57] <ravage> i have no idea how you automounted that before really
[04:59] <GimblySonOfOdin> I guess I'll have to figure out another way to do it. Maybe some update broke it..
[05:00] <GimblySonOfOdin> Thank you @ravage !
[05:00] <ravage> yw
[08:09] <JoeBk> hello
[08:16] <cornduck> hey im a masochist and im still running xenial in some legacy environment and i think python 2.7 is broken in here
[08:16] <cornduck> pip install docker-py will try to install requests 2.28.1 which is incompatible with python 2.7
[08:16] <cornduck> and pip install requests==2.27.1 will cause pip to begin crashing with a syntax error
[08:17] <cornduck> pip install -U pip also crashes with a syntax error and maybe this is where i should be digging
[08:17] <oerheks> xenial is eol.
[08:17] <oerheks> good luck with that
[08:18] <cornduck> that's probably the real answer oerheks
[08:19] <cornduck> https://termbin.com/d3j5
[08:20] <cornduck> obviously the newest version in the apt tree is 8.1.1-2ubuntu0.6
[08:28] <geirha> and python 2.7 is also EOL
[08:30] <oerheks> ' pro security-status'
[08:30] <oerheks> https://ubuntu.com/pro/beta
[08:31] <oerheks> i hope people do not think support is for all packages
[08:44] <cornduck> why do people have to update software why can't they just chill
[09:01] <akossh> cornduck: It is important to update for security fixes
[09:02] <oerheks> pip-i-doo
[09:02] <akossh> sometimes also for new features,
[09:02] <oerheks> but this is an EOL issue, not worth looking into.
[09:18] <cornduck> akossh: laaaaaame
[09:19] <cornduck> i mean i agree thank you akossh oerheks giesen
[10:10] <Guest2> Hello, I’m about to get an XPS 13 9315 and am wondering if anyone knows if theirs still driver issues with Ubuntu 22.0.4, specifically with fan noise, or if those issues can be fixed whenever the kernel gets updated since I plan on wiping the original 20.0.4 install before installing 22.0.4.
[10:21] <oerheks> i read no fix for fan issues, also webcam is not working? https://askubuntu.com/questions/1428961/dell-xps-13-webcam-not-recognized-under-ubuntu-22-04-1
[10:23] <oerheks> same page, this answer might give a fix? https://askubuntu.com/a/1438468 >> oem-somerville-psyduck-meta
[10:23] <Guest2> Ok Thanks.
[11:26] <knstn> I'm using 20.04 and when I use Chrome, the sound doesn't work (mic and speakers). When I use other software, like Firefox, Slack, etc, mic and speakers work fine. Is that a bug or something?
[11:38] <akossh> knstn: sounds like a bug or misconfiguration
[11:39] <akossh> is 20.04 using pulseaudio? or was there a switch to pipewire?
[11:40] <akossh> pulseaudio remembers, which app uses which input/output on which device..
[11:41] <akossh> It is possible, that chrome sends audio to a different output (like HDMI), while others use an analog output of a sound card
[11:43] <akossh> I use pulseaudio on gentoo, the "pavucontrol" tool usually helps to find out what goes where
[11:48] <knstn> I will re-install it first, and then check pulseaudio/pipewire. I have no idea what 20.04 is using.
[12:16] <tykling> hello :) is it me or is there no zfs option in the ubuntu 22.04 server installer? I see it in the desktop installer. Thanks!
[12:46] <pablo_> hola
[13:03] <mr_claus> hi, i lost the possibility to boot, it stops in the grub shell. in my ESP parition there is a directory ubuntu which will be seen at the boot stage. inside this directory there is also a file grub.cfg which search the rootfs, setting the prefix and as third line setting the configfile. if i run these three commands in a manual way i can boot ubuntu, but it still stop booting without putting the commands manually, any ideas why these
[13:03] <mr_claus> file will not executed?
[13:12] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:16]  * fergal32 waves hello
[13:36] <murmel> tykling: there is no zfs option for server, as it's still beta, and _probably_ won't get ever released as stable
[13:37] <tykling> murmel: I see. That is very sad news indeed.
[13:38] <tykling> murmel: I don't understand why though?
[13:39] <murmel> tykling: the ambitions for zsys were quite high, so canonical gave up on it over time, and it almost didn't even make it into 22.04 (last second it was included so installs won't break)
[13:41] <tykling> but it is available in the desktop installer?!
[13:45] <lotuspsychje> tykling: there are also bug(s) currently on zfs on 22.04 + encryption (just for info)
[13:45] <tykling> okay well I hope it will be ready for 24.04 LTS :) see you in a couple of years
[13:46] <lotuspsychje> tykling: maybe if enough people in the ubuntu community speak out their voices, things could change?
[13:46] <tykling> lotuspsychje: let's hope so!
[14:06] <DocMors> has anyone manager it to get Chromium to run without SNAP
[14:07] <DocMors> managed
[14:50] <alkisg> I used to copy the 18.04 version to this ppa for 20.04 and then 22.04; then I decided it wasn't worth it anymore and switched to google-chrome.deb: https://launchpad.net/~ts.sch.gr/+archive/ubuntu/chromium-browser/+packages
[16:14] <dman777> hello, anyone using .net 3.1 in ubuntu? I have 20.04 LTS with .net 3.1 installed. I also have mono installed because visual studio code has to use mono for .net 3.1. However, VS code is not finding the mono executable even when I set it in settings
[16:19] <alkisg> vscode isn't using mono at all, it's using electron
[16:20] <alkisg> Ah you mean for development, not for its own execution, never mind ignore me then :)
[16:58] <localhost_> how can I see internet data consume per process
[17:00] <sokan> hey ho! I want to compile a java program via javac but I can't seem to find the command. Ι just did sudo -i apt-get install openjk-17-jdk but the command is still not there. What do I do?
[17:01] <ogra> more interesting, why did you use -i for sudo ?
[17:01] <ogra> 🙂
[17:01] <murmel> lol
[17:02] <sokan> eh. Minor issue :P
[17:02] <sokan> Wanted to have a clean shell environment
[17:02] <ravage> also that package does not exist :D
[17:02] <sokan> jdk*
[17:03] <murmel> minor misstype, but the file should be in -headless which gets installed
[17:03] <ravage> javac is part of openjdk-17-jdk-headless
[17:03] <ravage> if you have that installed it should also link javac to that version
[17:04] <ravage> if not try update-alternatives
[17:04] <ogra> sudo update-alternatives --list java
[17:05] <ogra> seem "man update-alternatives" about how to use it
[17:05] <ogra> *see
[17:07] <sokan> thanks :))
[17:47] <murmel> did something change with snapd? I can install/remove stuff without any root rights
[17:48] <ogra> murmel, if you "snap login" you tell snaps that you own the machine and are allowed ... so it will not ask for sudo anymore
[17:48] <ogra> s/sanps/snapd/
[17:48] <ogra> i guess you logged in at some point
[17:48] <murmel> ahh news to me ;)
[17:48] <murmel> yeah yesterday because of uc
[17:49] <ogra> documented "somewhere" 🙂
[17:49] <murmel> probably /dev/null
[17:49] <arraybolt3> ogra: Might be worth documenting that here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/999046/install-snaps-without-root
[17:52] <ogra> arraybolt3, feel free ... "snap help login" has the details
[17:52] <ogra> murmel, nah ^^^
[17:52] <ogra> just not on the web or in the docs or the other docs 🙂
[17:58] <jhutchins> ogra: How are you supposed to know to look up "login" if you don't know that feature exists?
[17:59] <ogra> jhutchins, snap help ...
[17:59] <sarnold> jhutchins: hopefully you read the help before you executed the command
[18:00] <jhutchins> This sounds a lot like the old 1337 response of "just read the code".
[18:00] <ogra> jhutchins, well, woever experiences the "oh i dont need sudo" *has* already run snap login
[18:01] <jhutchins> I really don't know anybody who reads help before they try the command.  They rightfully expect the command without arguments to return something useful.
[18:01] <ogra> s they know about the existence of the command
[18:01] <ogra> *so
[18:01] <jhutchins> ogra: The above illustrates that your argument is fales, he did not know that the command existed even though he had run it.
[18:01] <jhutchins> false.
[18:01] <ogra> lol ...
[18:02] <ogra> how would you not know that something you executed manually existed ... you *did* actually execute it
[18:03] <ogra> (and this is very interactive if you do not give it your credentials as well on the commandline)
[18:04] <ogra> i admit that people's memory is short though ... but that's people's problem 🙂
[18:09] <ash_worksi> on 22.04 I can't keep my screen from dimmin
[18:09] <ash_worksi> dimming
[18:12] <murmel> ash_worksi: did you disable it in the settings -> power?
[18:12] <ash_worksi> I thought so
[18:12] <ash_worksi> looking
[18:12] <ash_worksi> yes
[18:13] <murmel> are we talking dimming or blanking?
[18:13] <ash_worksi> dimming
[18:13] <ash_worksi> but
[18:13] <ash_worksi> when I opened settings it stopped
[18:14] <ash_worksi> I'll see if it happens after I close the window
[18:15] <ash_worksi> yeah, seems to have stopped after reopening the settings window
[18:15] <ash_worksi> I wonder if the computer fully goes to sleep if it will return
[18:15] <ash_worksi> checking...
[18:16] <ash_worksi> doesn't seem to have affected it
[18:17] <ash_worksi> weird, but whatever; I'll report back if it ends up reverting for some reason
[18:17] <murmel> ash_worksi: definitely weird, as it works for me perfectly fine
[18:18] <ash_worksi> murmel: the other weirdness is sometimes my console (so far it's only the console that does this) bleeds behind the ubuntu sidebar (name for that?)
[18:18] <ash_worksi> I have to minimize and remaximize to restore it to it's proper size
[18:19] <ash_worksi> I haven't figured out any rhyme or reason for when this happens though
[18:19] <ash_worksi> it seems to be the case when I have left my console in the background for an extended period of time
[18:19] <murmel> can't say anything about that as I disable that extension
[18:20] <ash_worksi> I don't think it's called the "launcher"
[18:20] <ash_worksi> home bar?
[18:21] <murmel> dock ;)
[18:21] <ash_worksi> dock!
[18:21] <ash_worksi> yes
[18:21] <jhutchins> Many names, some for different functions.
[18:21] <ash_worksi> murmel: what is this extension you speak of?
[18:22] <murmel> ash_worksi: ubuntu-dock
[18:22] <ash_worksi> oh, that is, you don't have any dock at all
[18:22] <murmel> yeah
[18:24] <ash_worksi> my guess is that the autohide is glitchy
[18:24] <ash_worksi> I don't have autohide enabled
[18:24] <ash_worksi> but if I were to guess at whats causing the problem
[18:26] <jhutchins> ash_worksi: Sometimes some of the apps don't properly respect auto-hide.
[18:26] <jhutchins> Oh, not enabled.
[18:26] <jhutchins> Possibly just a "gnome knows best" feature.
[18:31] <ash_worksi> jhutchins: well, whatever it is, it's definitely a glitch in 22.04
[18:32] <ash_worksi> I just can't figure out what circumstances produce this, since it's just when I flip back to the window at some point in time, I notice I can't see part of it.
[18:33] <ash_worksi> oh it's dimming again!
[18:34] <ash_worksi> after about 22 seconds
[18:34] <ash_worksi> 25 actually
[18:36] <ash_worksi> even with the settings window open
[18:36] <ash_worksi> I guess I didn't wait long enough last time
[19:01] <arraybolt3> Hoping there's someone who's a networking wizard who can help me out here. How on *earth* do I give an IPv6 address to netcat? Is it different for when I'm trying to listen on an IPv6 port vs. connecting to an open one? And if so, what are the two different ways of doing this?
[19:02] <eelstrebor> why does ubuntu 20.04 give me 4 cores for zram swap while 22.04 only has zram0?
[19:02] <pentester> How can I see which application consume my internet data (per process)
[19:02] <arraybolt3> (Context: I have an old HP desktop that I want to connect to the Internet via NetworkManager internet sharing with an Ethernet cable. The desktop is vulnerable to the "Silent Bob is Silent" vulnerability in Intel AMT (I believe), as it is an old enterprise system, so I need to make sure that **nothing** can try to access an open port on the desktop.)
[19:03] <arraybolt3> (My LAN is potentially hostile as my dad isn't careful enough (in my opinion) with what he downloads to his computer.)
[19:04] <arraybolt3> (And I know that IPv4 is NAT'ed by NetworkManager and I can verify that I can't access IPv4 ports that are open on the desktop, but I don't know how to verify if IPv6 is NAT'ed or turned off properly.)
[19:04] <leftyfb> arraybolt3: have you tried #networking?
[19:05] <arraybolt3> Nope, that's not a bad idea though.
[19:05] <sarnold> pentester: try this https://www.gcardone.net/2020-07-31-per-process-bandwidth-monitoring-on-Linux-with-bpftrace/
[19:06] <murmel> arraybolt3: btw, NAT is not an option for ipv6
[19:10] <arraybolt3> leftyfb: Thanks for the suggestion, I have crossposted to #networking.
[19:12] <Phr33d0m> arraybolt3 you should try https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcwFa9OWsAAmt79.png
[19:12] <Phr33d0m> arraybolt3 scratch that, try this instead https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/457670/netcat-how-to-listen-on-a-tcp-port-using-ipv6-address
[19:13] <arraybolt3> Phr33d0m: I get the joke, but that was inappropriate. Can we avoid that from now on? Also, thanks for the second link.
[19:13] <Phr33d0m> sorry about that snowflake, won't happen again
[19:14] <leftyfb> !guidelines | Phr33d0m
[19:18] <Phr33d0m> leftyfb well, I've actually read that and was wondering why do you think I need to re-read it
[19:57] <pentester> I installed kali linux through docker.
[19:57] <pentester> 1. discord installed but not started
[19:57] <pentester> 2. My any new files not stored
[19:57] <pentester> how can I fix it.
[19:59] <leftyfb> !kali | pentester
[20:00] <sarnold> kali is best used on a throwaway laptop
[20:00] <sarnold> something you don't mind reformatting and reinstalling whenever
[20:00] <sarnold> many of the tools require direct access to the networking hardware
[20:01] <bG9s> also many of the tools are installable on ubuntu...?
[20:01] <sarnold> I think they've got hundreds of tools that aren't natively packaged
[20:01] <sarnold> whether any of those tools are *good* is another question
[20:02] <pentester> I'm using ubuntu  VERSION="20.04.4 LTS (Focal Fossa)"
[20:04] <pentester> I installed docker container in my ubuntu version. The docker kali linux image not working discord. data not stored mean not mounted
[20:05] <leftyfb> pentester: we cannot support Kali Linux regardless of how you installed it. You'll also need to seek support for dockers from whoever is the docker image maintainer
[20:22] <ph88^> im running ubuntu in Hyper-V is there any way i can check if there is a firewall blocking port to host ?
[20:24] <lenswipe> hey folks
[20:25] <lenswipe> having trouble with an ipu6 camera on Ubuntu
[20:27] <sarnold> ph88^: iptables -L perhaps?
[20:29] <jhutchins> !kali
[20:29] <ph88^> https://bpa.st/MRHA
[20:29] <ph88^> that's my iptables config
[20:30] <ph88^> does it block port 4000 ?
[20:33] <jhutchins> ph88^: Are you running a firewall within a container?
[20:34] <ph88^> that's what i came here for to find out
[20:34] <ph88^> i'm not using containers btw .. just a virtual machine
[20:35] <lenswipe> Cheese is saying that it can't play from the webcam
[20:35] <lenswipe> and VLC throws an error trying to read form it also
[20:36] <bG9s> ph88^: that looks like default docker rules
[20:36] <ph88^> lenswipe, did you check dmesg ?
[20:36] <rob0> why do you have docker rules if not using docker?
[20:36] <lenswipe> ph88^, i did and it says that it loaded ipu6 firmware
[20:36] <lenswipe> ph88^, the camera meanwhile remains unavailable
[20:37] <ph88^> rob0, not sure something configured it that way
[20:37] <rob0> get rid of them and use a more appropriate ruleset
[20:37] <rob0> also, what Ubuntu version is this?
[20:37] <ph88^> lenswipe, is that ipu6 something really new ?
[20:38] <ph88^> rob0, 22.04
[20:38] <rob0> 20 and later use nftables by default, unless you set update-alternatives to use iptables-legacy
[20:39] <ph88^> i was just showing that because of sarnold his comment
[20:39] <rob0> oh.
[20:40] <sarnold> ipu6 is a *very* weird new camera thing; my notes on it are from 2020 but there was something about it would work on *certified* systems, perhaps preinstalled stuff only? :( I'm not sure
[20:40] <rob0> anyway, "iptables -L" is not useful. "nft show ruleset" might be. But again, docker rules are garbage. :)
[20:41] <sarnold> rob0: aha, thanks; I've long heard iptables -L was "the best way" to see what rules were loaded
[20:42] <rob0> sarnold: with -v at least it gives complete information, but even there it's harder to follow than "iptables-save -c"
[20:42] <ph88^> rob0, https://bpa.st/EVYA
[20:42] <Dreamer409> ph88^: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Dell has some info regarding IPU6
[20:42] <sarnold> rob0: yah, but iirc not everyone has iptables-save, and installing that might change things :)
[20:43] <sarnold> rob0: so, the -v .. is that for iptables -Lv or is that nft show ruleset -v ?
[20:43] <rob0> who does not have iptables-save? It's another name for the same binary.
[20:43] <rob0> yes, I was referring to adding -v to the iptables -L
[20:44] <Dreamer409> sorry, lenswipe, my link was meant for you :)
[20:44] <sarnold> Dreamer409: awesome! :D
[20:44] <ph88^> lenswipe, maybe compile the driver from source .. dunno
[20:51] <lenswipe> ph88^, tried that, the source just yeilds the same thing as the PPA
[20:51] <lenswipe> Dreamer409, ?
[20:51] <lenswipe> oh
[20:51] <lenswipe> thanks - i'll take a lookbut I think i've read it
[20:52] <bG9s> lenswipe: nothing in the error logs? D:
[20:52] <lenswipe> bG9s, nope
[20:52] <lenswipe> i gotta go - back later
[20:52] <ph88^> i flushed all rules from nftables and still i can't connect from host to vm :(
[20:53] <bG9s> I might need to scroll up but how are you connecting to the vm? just the ip and port?
[21:02] <ph88^> yes just the ip and port
[21:03] <blahboybaz> Does anyone know why there is a firefox 97.0 directory in my desktop directory now? I never explicitly did anything to cause that to happen and I don't belive it was like that before
[21:12] <ph88^> so am i able to get to the apache test page on port 80 from host to vm, see screenshot https://imgur.com/a/7dbBOrO  .. but port 4000 is still blocked for some reason. Already flushed nftables
[21:12] <ph88^> what else can i do ?
[21:13] <anro> join wikipedia-de
[21:26] <bG9s> ph88^: so idk tbh but just wondering if you do a netstat | grep 4000 what ip does it show the vm is listening on?
[21:26] <ph88^> i was just at the part of netstat .. just a sec i will post it
[21:27] <ph88^> so this is from inside the guest/vm   https://bpa.st/YDJQ
[21:28] <bG9s> so I'd say it's only listening on <IP_ADDRESS> and in the configuration you wanna have it listen on <IP_ADDRESS>
[21:28] <ph88^> as it looks like for some reason port 80 is going over IPv6 and port 4000 (which i want) going over IPv4 is that right ?
[21:28] <bG9s> ye that's ok
[21:37] <ph88^> bG9s, i think you found the problem ... i just have to find how to change the configuration
[21:38] <bG9s> hack it
[21:38] <bG9s> :D
[21:39]  * sarnold passes around a gibson
[21:40]  * bG9s tunes in to Find it Quick by Steel Pulse
[21:40] <bG9s> it's not actually an add-on I just typed out the /me
[21:48] <ph88^> seems i'm too noob at the moment to hack it
[21:49] <ph88^> any way to do port foward from <IP_ADDRESS> to <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[21:49] <sarnold> hmm, I'm not sure I understand the question
[21:51] <ph88^> omg i'm going to cry now, after 2 hours i found a workaround
[21:51] <ph88^> https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/187038
[21:51] <ph88^> thanks bG9s because of you i was able to understand what the problem was
[21:54] <bG9s> haha ph88^ congrats
[22:11] <massuse> in Ubuntu, the old EiskaltDC++ does not display unicode messages, please fix rebuild with git
[22:15] <massuse> Unicode hub - dchub.one
[23:08] <eelstrebor> why does ubuntu 20.04 give me 4 cores for zram swap while 22.04 only has zram0?
[23:09] <sarnold> can you rephrase the question?
[23:14] <ravage> cores = devices i guess
[23:17] <sarnold> well that's the thing, I haven't got a clue what he's asking :)
[23:18] <toddc> eelstrebor: 1 core was used on earlier kernels due to buffer issues but new kernels can use all cores as needed   I assume there may be a limit but .. above my skill level
[23:18] <ravage> i use zram on 20.04
[23:18] <sarnold> it defaults to one-per-online-cpu https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/blockdev/zram.txt
[23:18] <ravage> it greate the devices zram0 to zram9
[23:18] <ravage> *creates
[23:19] <ravage> but i dont think i tried it on 22.04 yet
[23:19] <ravage> i just install zram-config on 20.04
[23:19] <ravage> but the CPU has > 10 cores
[23:19] <ravage> so its possible that it just stops there
[23:21] <Gameboy> Hello
[23:30] <Gameboy> Hello
[23:31] <leftyfb> Gameboy: hello. What can we help you with?
[23:33] <Gameboy> leftyfb: At this moment nothing. Thank you. Im just back at irc.
[23:33] <leftyfb> !discuss | Gameboy