[12:23] <pirast> hi, does edubuntu's ltsp support com ports at the clients?
[12:25] <kgoetz> i think in edgy/feisty, i'm fairly sure dappers wont
[01:18] <Bhaskar> ltsp is built in or not in edubuntu
[01:19] <kgoetz> 'built in'?
[01:20] <Bhaskar> ya
[01:20] <Bhaskar> kgoetz, i mean already packaged or not
[01:20] <kgoetz> workstation install is stand alone, in dapper the default install has ltsp from the start
[01:20] <kgoetz> its packaged, and installable after the install
[01:21] <Bhaskar> edubuntu having ltsp in live cd
[01:21] <Bhaskar> or not
[01:21] <kgoetz> dunno.
[01:22] <Bhaskar> so separate package, need to download?
[01:23] <kgoetz> (in dapper) one type of install has ltsp by default, the other type you need to isntall it after
[01:23] <Bhaskar> dapper mean in 6.06 or ?
[01:24] <Bhaskar> edubuntu 6.06  or 6.10
[01:25] <kgoetz> dapper=6.06
[01:26] <Bhaskar> ltsp not in 6.10?
[01:26] <kgoetz> yes its in there, but i havent used it for that, so i dont know how it works exactly
[01:26] <Bhaskar> need to install ltsp extra in edubuntu 6.10?
[01:28] <kgoetz> .......
[01:28] <kgoetz> no, for the logs
[01:37] <ajmitch> kgoetz: it's ok ;)
[01:38] <kgoetz> ajmitch: its a worry for me, i'm delivering training soon ;)
[01:38] <ajmitch> hah
[01:38] <ajmitch> "umm this linux thingy, you do that & then this"
[01:38] <kgoetz> speaking of which... *goes back to writting training material :S*
[01:38] <kgoetz> lol
[01:42] <kgoetz> rockprincess: !
[01:42] <rockprincess> hi kgoetz!
[01:43] <kgoetz> :)
[02:06] <rockprincess> what are you up to, kgoetz? ;)
[02:08] <rockprincess> hi highvoltage!
[02:08] <rockprincess> wb kgoetz
[02:08] <highvoltage> hi rockprincess!
[02:09] <kgoetz> ty
[02:09] <kgoetz> hi highvoltage
[02:12] <highvoltage> hey kgoetz
[02:13] <kgoetz> night all. hopefully not as knackerd when i wake u ptomorrow
[02:19] <rockprincess> hehe
[03:47] <pygi> ogra_, ogra : poke
[03:49] <ajmitch> hello pygi
[03:49] <pygi> hi ajmitch
[05:25] <ubotu> Announcement from my owner (Seveas): ubotu will be offline for maintenance
[05:59] <juliux> hi jsgotangco
[05:59] <jsgotangco> hi!
[06:00] <jsgotangco> how's it going juliux
[06:00] <juliux> not to bad
[06:00] <juliux> cebit is over now
[06:03] <tallman> hello everybody
[06:05] <jsgotangco> err?? who went to cebit?
[06:08] <juliux> jsgotangco, i;9
[06:08] <juliux> jsgotangco, we hade a ubuntu community booth on cebit
[06:08] <jsgotangco> ohhhhh
[06:09] <juliux> only  4qm but ok
[06:26] <tallman> is it possible to invite ubotu to #ubuntu-ru for example?
[06:33] <tallman> is it possible to invite ubotu to #ubuntu-ru for example?
[06:36] <tallman> !gcompris
[06:36] <ubotu> gcompris: Educational games for small children. In component main, is optional. Version 7.4-3ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 294 kB, installed size 1044 kB
[08:39] <flevour> hello there from italy
[08:40] <flevour> i'm part of an ngo and we're bringing some laptops to Eritrea (East Africa)
[08:40] <flevour> i'm deciding what version of edubuntu it would be better to use 6.06 LTS or 7.04?
[08:45] <angela__75> hello there
[08:48] <angela__75> help please
[08:51] <Tm_T> !helpme
[08:51] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[08:52] <Tm_T> so, say what is your problem and we might can help you then :)
[08:54] <angela__75> oh thanks!
[08:55] <angela__75> i logged before and asked the same question: I'm part of a ngo and we are sending some laptops to eritrea... which version would you install? Is 6.06 lts still more reliable than the future 7.04?
[08:57] <Tm_T> aah, different nick so can't tell ;)
[08:57] <angela__75> i wasn't sure the other client worked properly so i changed... now using gaim
[08:57] <Tm_T> well, 6.06 should have long support but I assume (wihtout knowing at all) that there's been important progress during a year
[08:58] <Tm_T> well it did ;)
[08:59] <angela__75> ;-) thanks... It won't be possible to have constant assistance there so i need a very stable version
[08:59] <Tm_T> I understand
[08:59] <Tm_T> so, I assume that 6.06 is more stable but 7.04 has more features
[08:59] <Tm_T> but as I said, I don't really know ;)
[09:00] <angela__75> is it possible to know which version of the main apps are present in 6.06?
[09:01] <Tm_T> sure, http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/
[09:01] <Tm_T> for example
[09:02] <angela__75> oh thanks very much
[10:39] <sbalneav> Afternoon all
[10:39] <Burgundavia> hey sbalneav
[10:39] <Burgundavia> sbalneav: do you run asterisk?
[10:40] <juliux> hi sbalneav
[10:40] <sbalneav> Burgundavia: No, not at this point, but it looks like I will soon :)
[10:40] <Burgundavia> heh
[10:41] <Burgundavia> I am looking around. there is no ideal solution for us ubuntu/debian users
[10:41] <Burgundavia> debian stable is one major version behind
[10:41] <Burgundavia> there is nobody building 1.4.x in a timely fashion
[10:41] <Burgundavia> and the non-debian prepackaged distros have terrible security release policies
[11:19] <Burgundavia> sbalneav: I have a half written blog post/internal company email about the various asterisk options and their up/downsides


[18:57] <slashd> o/
[18:58] <rafaeldtinoco> o/
[18:58] <sil2100> o/
[18:59] <rbasak> o/
[18:59] <rafaeldtinoco> #startmeeting Developer Membership Board Meeting
[18:59] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Jun 15 18:59:58 2020 UTC.  The chair is rafaeldtinoco. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[18:59] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[19:00] <ddstreet> o/
[19:00] <rafaeldtinoco> #chair rafaeldtinoco
[19:00] <meetingology> Current chairs: rafaeldtinoco
[19:00] <rafaeldtinoco> #topic Review of previous action items
[19:00] <rafaeldtinoco> ddstreet: should i start with your items ?
[19:01] <ddstreet> sure, i think most are done
[19:01] <rafaeldtinoco> alright
[19:01] <rafaeldtinoco> ddstreet follow up on packageset owning team for ubuntu-mate (carried over)
[19:01] <ddstreet> done, team's created and pkgset is moved over to using it
[19:02] <rafaeldtinoco> I have a question regarding the team creations to the end
[19:02] <rafaeldtinoco> moving on
[19:02] <rafaeldtinoco> ddstreet to handle PPU rights of tux{math,paint,type},x11vnc for alkisg ahead of edubuntu packageset removal in the future
[19:02] <ddstreet> done
[19:02] <rafaeldtinoco> ddstreet send out announcement for oSoMoN addition to mozilla packageset (rolled over)
[19:02] <ddstreet> yep sent, done
[19:02] <rafaeldtinoco> ok.. now my stuff
[19:02] <ddstreet> one addition first
[19:02] <rafaeldtinoco> sure
[19:02] <ddstreet> briefly
[19:03] <ddstreet> as alkisg should now have all the upload rights needed from the edubuntu pkgset, we should add a action item to remove it, unless there is any other reason for keeping it
[19:04] <rafaeldtinoco> what happened to the seeds, do u know ?
[19:04] <rafaeldtinoco> i can add filters to pkgset scripts, but they are basically creating the sets coming from existing seeds
[19:04] <ddstreet> no, i haven't looked at it other than adding alkisg's upload pkgs
[19:04] <rafaeldtinoco> ok.. let me add an action to myself here
[19:05] <rbasak> The packageset scripts have a list of autogenerated packagesets, don't they?
[19:05] <rafaeldtinoco> rbasak: yep, I can simply filter out edubuntu
[19:05] <rafaeldtinoco> im wondering about the seeds existance
[19:05] <rafaeldtinoco> should we care ?
[19:05] <rbasak> I thought was an inclusion list rather than an exclusion list?
[19:06] <rafaeldtinoco> its a shell script with an array currently
[19:06] <rbasak> But yeah, we could be good citizens and remove the seed too
[19:06] <rafaeldtinoco> and then germinate runs through all generated files
[19:06] <rafaeldtinoco> ok, for the seed removal we will need an aa
[19:06] <rafaeldtinoco> #action rafaeldtinoco to check edubuntu seed <-> pkgset relationship (generation) and if edubuntu pkgsets can be dropped
[19:06] <meetingology> ACTION: rafaeldtinoco to check edubuntu seed <-> pkgset relationship (generation) and if edubuntu pkgsets can be dropped
[19:06] <ddstreet> and we should probably manually remove edubuntu from groovy, right?  but leave it untouched from focal and earlier?
[19:06] <rbasak> That might be more of a release team or AA thing, yeah
[19:06] <rafaeldtinoco> if you all agree ^
[19:07] <rbasak> Presumably the image generation machinery needs disconnecting if it isn't already
[19:07] <rbasak> +1
[19:07] <rafaeldtinoco> hum. true
[19:07] <ddstreet> +1
[19:07] <rafaeldtinoco> it will be a good exercise to understand in deep the correlation
[19:07] <rbasak> Yes - I'd love to learn from you when you're done figuring it out :)
[19:07] <rafaeldtinoco> ddstreet: yes (for the groovy removal part)
[19:08] <rafaeldtinoco> yep the pkgsets changes emails are about the re-start once im done
[19:08] <rafaeldtinoco> let me move to my items
[19:08] <rafaeldtinoco> and we can catch up after
[19:08] <rafaeldtinoco> rafaeldtinoco to follow up with TB / packageset tooling on ubuntu-studio-uploaders being added to ubuntustudio packageset for upload rights
[19:08] <rafaeldtinoco> >  Archive Upload Rights for ubuntu-studio-uploaders: archive 'primary', package set 'ubuntustudio' in groovy
[19:08] <rafaeldtinoco> done
[19:08] <rafaeldtinoco> rafaeldtinoco to handle request "Adding lubuntu-update-notifier to the Lubuntu package set" (carried over)
[19:08] <rafaeldtinoco> > Archive Upload Rights for lubuntu-dev: archive 'primary', package set 'lubuntu' in groovy
[19:08] <rafaeldtinoco> done
[19:09] <rafaeldtinoco> rafaeldtinoco to complete documentation on existing packageset tooling, and discuss the current (large) delta in the packagesets that need adjusted (rolled over)
[19:09] <rafaeldtinoco> > Work in progress, move to long term please.
[19:09] <rafaeldtinoco> #action rafaeldtinoco to move pkgset tooling documentation to long term
[19:09] <meetingology> ACTION: rafaeldtinoco to move pkgset tooling documentation to long term
[19:09] <rafaeldtinoco> rafaeldtinoco to handle getting gnome-shell into ubuntu desktop exceptions list
[19:09] <rafaeldtinoco> > Archive Upload Rights for ubuntu-desktop: archive 'primary', package set 'ubuntu-desktop' in groovy
[19:09] <rafaeldtinoco> done
[19:09] <rafaeldtinoco> rafaeldtinoco to handle "Refresh the packagesets" mailing list item (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2020-April/001486.html)
[19:09] <rafaeldtinoco> done ^
[19:09] <rafaeldtinoco> @ddstreet lets talk about this one after I finish my items
[19:09] <rafaeldtinoco> per your previous email
[19:10] <ddstreet> ack
[19:10] <rafaeldtinoco> rafaeldtinoco to look into mailing list item "Including yaru-theme in the ubuntu-desktop set" (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2020-April/001487.html)
[19:10] <rafaeldtinoco> > Archive Upload Rights for ubuntu-desktop: archive 'primary', package set 'ubuntu-desktop' in groovy
[19:10] <rafaeldtinoco> done
[19:10] <rafaeldtinoco> rafaeldtinoco to look into mailing list item "Include fprint packages in the ubuntu-desktop set" (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2020-April/001488.html)
[19:10] <rafaeldtinoco> >    Add libfprint to exceptions for ubuntu-desktop pkgset
[19:10] <rafaeldtinoco> committed
[19:10] <rafaeldtinoco> > $ edit-acl add -S {groovy,focal,eoan,bionic} -s libfprint -P ubuntu-desktop -t upload
[19:10] <rafaeldtinoco> done
[19:10] <rafaeldtinoco> rafaeldtinoco to handle "Packages to Remove from ubuntustudio packageset" (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2020-May/001497.html)
[19:10] <rafaeldtinoco> > Done with the pkgset tool re-run for Groovy.
[19:10] <rafaeldtinoco> rafaeldtinoco to handle "Applying packageset exceptions transitively" (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2020-May/001501.html)
[19:11] <rafaeldtinoco> > Work in progress, move to long term please.
[19:11] <rafaeldtinoco> #action rafaeldtinoco to document exceptions inclusion for DMB team
[19:11] <meetingology> ACTION: rafaeldtinoco to document exceptions inclusion for DMB team
[19:11] <rafaeldtinoco> ok
[19:11] <rafaeldtinoco> we have no applications today
[19:11] <rafaeldtinoco> should we discuss anything here
[19:11] <rafaeldtinoco> or at the end ?
[19:12] <ddstreet> i guess just the mailing list items?
[19:12] <rafaeldtinoco> #topic Outstanding mailing list requests to assign
[19:12] <rafaeldtinoco> jackd2 for ubuntustudio packageset (Erich Eickmeyer)
[19:12] <rafaeldtinoco> ddstreet: ^
[19:13] <ddstreet> rafaeldtinoco so, i don't really understand your email reply, but i think that's because i don't understand the tooling yet
[19:14] <rafaeldtinoco> let me clarify for you then
[19:14] <rafaeldtinoco> in single terms
[19:14] <rafaeldtinoco> simple
[19:14] <rafaeldtinoco> all pkgset inclusion/exclusion is done by the tooling.. for -devel only
[19:14] <rafaeldtinoco> based on the existing seeds for the -devel version.
[19:15] <rafaeldtinoco> if there is a pkg that is in the wrong pkgset (server instead of ubuntustudio, lets say)
[19:15] <rafaeldtinoco> we have one file to be updated to mark it as an exception
[19:15] <rafaeldtinoco> the tooling will be ran 2 or 3 times a week and send an email with the changes
[19:16] <rafaeldtinoco> if no complains, the changes will be applied (to devel, based on seed, again)
[19:16] <ddstreet> so, packages can only be in a single packageset?
[19:16] <rafaeldtinoco> good question
[19:17] <rafaeldtinoco> there are seeds that extend other seeds
[19:17] <rbasak> AIUI, there are various edge cases that are handled poorly or have surprising results
[19:17] <rafaeldtinoco> rbasak: +1 on what you said
[19:17] <rafaeldtinoco> the logic is a big python batch with lots of edge cases
[19:17] <rbasak> When we've tried to clean these up in the past, different DMB members have had different opinions on what the answer should be
[19:17] <rafaeldtinoco> that part is the one I still have to work on
[19:18] <ddstreet> so with this example, was it wrong for me to add jackd2 to ubuntustudio packageset?
[19:18] <ddstreet> because that would break some other packageset?
[19:18] <rafaeldtinoco> so with that example
[19:18] <rbasak> I think for now we have to just keep adding exceptions case-by-case, and longer term it'd be nice to specify what the behaviour should be and then start adjusting the tooling to head towards that goal.
[19:18] <rafaeldtinoco> for all previous versions .. doing by hand was correct (because we are not automatically updating those).
[19:18] <rafaeldtinoco> for groovy .. the correct thing was to put it as an exception.. so instead of "server" it would be "ubuntustudio" in the next automatic generation changes
[19:19] <rafaeldtinoco> an email would be sent to us saying that it was about to add the source package (jackd2) to ubuntustudio
[19:19] <rafaeldtinoco> we would not complain and the changes would be committed
[19:19] <rafaeldtinoco> rbasak: yes
[19:19] <rafaeldtinoco> i want to put what we have "in production"
[19:19] <rafaeldtinoco> and read the batch better
[19:19] <rafaeldtinoco> and document what it does (with germinate output)
[19:19] <rafaeldtinoco> and we can maybe discuss
[19:19] <ddstreet> so our packageset list doesn't include 'hidden' packagesets like 'server'? https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/packagesets/groovy/
[19:20] <ddstreet> or do you mean 'ubuntu-server'
[19:20] <rbasak> ddstreet: a consequence of manually adjusting an automatic packageset is that the next time the tooling is run, it might try to undo what you did, and then the person running it has to either go with it or code up an exception. Sometimes that's hard to do. The alternatives are to fix the tooling before making the adjustment, or to leave the uploader stuck without the packageset change. None of
[19:20] <rbasak> these options are good :-/
[19:20] <rafaeldtinoco> ddstreet: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/H4GBJFYpNK/
[19:20] <ddstreet> right, i was clear that my addition of jackd2 might be undone later, which is why i added the follow-up in the agenda to see if the seed update was all that's needed
[19:21] <rafaeldtinoco> the jackd2 case I'll re-check
[19:21] <rafaeldtinoco> actually
[19:21] <rafaeldtinoco> I replied to you on that already
[19:21] <rafaeldtinoco> right ?
[19:21] <rafaeldtinoco> (just checking)
[19:21] <rbasak> ddstreet: yeah and to be clear I'm fine with your approach.
[19:21] <ddstreet> ok, maybe it's just me who doesn't see the link between the seeds and packagesets, i'm hoping to get a clearer picture once the tooling is documented...
[19:22] <ddstreet> maybe i should just read the existing tooling now
[19:22] <ddstreet> well, not *now*, but i mean before refactoring
[19:22] <rafaeldtinoco> #action rafaeldtinoco add jackd2 as an exception (from ubuntu-server to audio-plugins perhaps)
[19:22] <meetingology> ACTION: rafaeldtinoco add jackd2 as an exception (from ubuntu-server to audio-plugins perhaps)
[19:22] <rbasak> In the case that a package is only seeded from one place, it'll end up in the corresponding automatic packageset if there is one.
[19:22] <rbasak> If it's seeded from more than one place, then the tooling has various logic to try and resolve it.
[19:22] <rbasak> That's the extent of my knowledge :)
[19:23] <rafaeldtinoco> yes
[19:23] <rafaeldtinoco> rbasak: said correctly
[19:23] <rbasak> (and when I say seed, I probably mean germinate - it doesn't matter whether the package is directly or indirectly seeded)
[19:23] <rafaeldtinoco> there are some decisions made to see where the package will stay (and now it even reads the pkg dependencies)
[19:23] <rafaeldtinoco> this part was made by iain in last change
[19:24] <rafaeldtinoco> im about to enter that batch code now =)
[19:24] <rafaeldtinoco> ddstreet: let me document something "quick" for the next meeting
[19:24] <rafaeldtinoco> "what to do instead of edit-acl for -devel"
[19:24] <rafaeldtinoco> - guaranteeing seed is good
[19:25] <rafaeldtinoco> - editing exceptions file and commiting
[19:25] <rafaeldtinoco> - waiting pkgset auto re-generation
[19:25] <rafaeldtinoco> type of thing
[19:25] <ddstreet> +1 would definitely help me
[19:25] <rafaeldtinoco> #action rafaeldtinoco to create, for now, a small "what-to-do" for pkgset changes in -devel
[19:25] <meetingology> ACTION: rafaeldtinoco to create, for now, a small "what-to-do" for pkgset changes in -devel
[19:25] <rafaeldtinoco> #action rafaeldtinoco to put pkgset tooling to automatically update pkgsets (crontab)
[19:25] <meetingology> ACTION: rafaeldtinoco to put pkgset tooling to automatically update pkgsets (crontab)
[19:25] <rafaeldtinoco> ok
[19:26] <rafaeldtinoco> that was it on my side for this #)
[19:26] <Laney> YEAHHHHH
[19:26] <rafaeldtinoco> =)
[19:26] <rafaeldtinoco> ddstreet: should I move on to TB bugs ?
[19:26] <ddstreet> sure
[19:26] <rafaeldtinoco> #topic Open TB bugs
[19:26] <Laney> The idea is that flavour developers get to maintain their own stuff, btw, and 'their own stuff' is defined as the things in their flavour, i.e. what they seed
[19:27]  * Laney runs
[19:27] <rafaeldtinoco> Laney: +1 and dont go to far
[19:27] <rafaeldtinoco> Packageset modification for ~ubuntu-mate-uploaders
[19:27] <rafaeldtinoco> @ddstreet fix released ^
[19:27] <ddstreet> yep
[19:27] <ddstreet> though
[19:28] <rafaeldtinoco> I have a question about this
[19:28] <ddstreet> just for my own info, should the devel release have been done differently?
[19:28] <ddstreet> (or any of it)
[19:28] <rafaeldtinoco> devel should be done automatically (through seed updates -> pkgset changes OR by exceptions file being changed)
[19:29] <rafaeldtinoco> ah for this change
[19:29] <rafaeldtinoco> no
[19:29] <rafaeldtinoco> sorry, this is just a permission change
[19:29] <rafaeldtinoco> right ? from person to the team
[19:29] <ddstreet> i think just uploader change is totally separate from the tooling, right?
[19:29] <ddstreet> yep
[19:29] <rafaeldtinoco> that is the exact question I have
[19:29] <rafaeldtinoco> who defined we would start creating the teams ?
[19:29] <rafaeldtinoco> i mean, is there anything we should follow ?
[19:30] <rafaeldtinoco> (start creating dev groups with dmb permissions)
[19:30] <ddstreet> there's some docs in the kb
[19:30] <ddstreet> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/KnowledgeBase
[19:30] <rafaeldtinoco> because this change gives DMB the power to add/remove people from pkgsets
[19:31] <ddstreet> yep
[19:31] <rafaeldtinoco> should we do this ad-hoc like you're doing ?
[19:31] <rafaeldtinoco> or try to guarantee all pkgsets have their respective devel group ?
[19:32]  * rbasak doesn't follow
[19:32] <rafaeldtinoco> rbasak: last changes coming from ddstreet
[19:32] <rafaeldtinoco> like this
[19:32] <rafaeldtinoco> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+bug/1881666
[19:32] <ddstreet> changing the ubuntu-mate packageset uploader from an individual to a team
[19:33] <ddstreet> note that this was the last 'flavor packageset' that *was not* set to team-uploader
[19:33] <ddstreet> so now, all the flavor packagesets have team uploaders
[19:33] <rafaeldtinoco> ah was it ?
[19:33] <rbasak> The main thing is that we own the team, and nobody else apart from the DMB can change its membership
[19:33] <rafaeldtinoco> ok.. so my question is dead
[19:33] <rbasak> That seems correct
[19:33] <ddstreet> rbasak so team members can't add other members?
[19:33] <rbasak> There's also the stuff about ~ubuntu-dev vs. ~ubuntu-upladers which is covered in the docs I think?
[19:33] <rbasak> Correct
[19:34] <rbasak> That can be done with a delegation, but the team must explicitly have that
[19:34] <ddstreet> we should make sure not to add anyone to an uploader team as 'administrator' though, right?
[19:34] <rbasak> Right
[19:34] <ddstreet> unless they have a delegation
[19:34] <ddstreet> ack
[19:34] <rafaeldtinoco> hum.
[19:34] <rafaeldtinoco> that is new to me, will have to read
[19:35] <ddstreet> rbasak rafaeldtinoco note that i did update the dmb kb with some clarification steps
[19:35] <rafaeldtinoco> ddstreet: tku, ill read it carefully
[19:35] <ddstreet> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/KnowledgeBase?action=diff&rev2=33&rev1=27
[19:35] <ddstreet> or just check the 'info' tab to select diffs
[19:35] <rafaeldtinoco> cool
[19:35] <ddstreet> i think everything i added is correct, but please do correct anything as needed
[19:35] <rbasak> Delegations documented here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers/TeamDelegation
[19:36] <rafaeldtinoco> alright, got homework on this
[19:36] <rafaeldtinoco> anything else on this discussion ?
[19:36] <ddstreet> we should link the teamdelegation from our kb page
[19:36] <ddstreet> if it isn't already
[19:37] <rafaeldtinoco> #action rafaeldtinoco link teamdelegation from dmb kb page when reading ddstreet updates
[19:37] <meetingology> ACTION: rafaeldtinoco link teamdelegation from dmb kb page when reading ddstreet updates
[19:37] <rafaeldtinoco> ill do it since I'll read it again
[19:37] <ddstreet> thanks
[19:37] <rafaeldtinoco> #topic PPU addition for ~alkisg
[19:37] <rafaeldtinoco> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+bug/1881653
[19:37] <rafaeldtinoco> fix released also ^
[19:38] <ddstreet> yep
[19:38] <rafaeldtinoco> do I have to check groovy for this one ?
[19:38] <rafaeldtinoco> ah it was permission only
[19:38] <rafaeldtinoco> nm
[19:38] <rafaeldtinoco> ppu, ok moving on
[19:39] <ddstreet> right, and next one is ppu also i think
[19:39] <rafaeldtinoco> #topic PPU addition for ~rcj
[19:39] <rafaeldtinoco> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+bug/1866679
[19:39] <rafaeldtinoco> fix released also
[19:39] <ddstreet> yep, and while the tb bug doesn't list groovy, i am pretty sure he already had ppu for groovy
[19:39] <rafaeldtinoco> cool
[19:40] <rafaeldtinoco> #topic Select a chair for the next meeting
[19:40] <rafaeldtinoco> rbasak: can u chair the next one ?
[19:40] <rafaeldtinoco> you're the next on the list
[19:41] <rafaeldtinoco> I can change it later if you can't
[19:41] <rafaeldtinoco> #topic Any other business
[19:41] <rafaeldtinoco> ok..
[19:41] <rafaeldtinoco> any other stuff to be discussed ?
[19:42] <ddstreet> nothing else from me
[19:42] <rbasak> rafaeldtinoco: sure
[19:42] <rafaeldtinoco> rbasak: tku
[19:42] <rafaeldtinoco> ok.. im calling it in ... 5
[19:42] <rafaeldtinoco> 4
[19:42] <rafaeldtinoco> 3
[19:42] <slashd> Just as an fyi ... I'll need to catch up on the current todo, but I'm back after a few weeks of absence.
[19:43] <rafaeldtinoco> slashd: welcome back =)
[19:43] <rafaeldtinoco> slashd: you will be chairing after rbasak
[19:43] <ddstreet> glad to have you back slashd :)
[19:43] <rafaeldtinoco> fyio
[19:43] <rafaeldtinoco> 3
[19:43] <slashd> rafaeldtinoco: no problem for the chairing order
[19:43] <rafaeldtinoco> 2
[19:43] <rafaeldtinoco> 1
[19:43] <rafaeldtinoco> #endmeeting
[19:43] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Jun 15 19:43:46 2020 UTC.
[19:43] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2020/ubuntu-meeting.2020-06-15-18.59.moin.txt
[19:43] <slashd> \o
[19:43] <rafaeldtinoco> thank you everyone !
[19:44] <rafaeldtinoco> have a nice evening!
[19:44] <ddstreet> thanks! o/


[06:54] <YoBoY> good morning
[07:20] <bassem> YoBoY, good morning
[07:21] <bassem> YoBoY, BTW, I didn't get yet the answer, about ubuntu-CC.org
[07:21] <YoBoY> hi bassem
[07:22] <YoBoY> if you contacted Matthias, you just need to wait now
[07:22] <bassem> YoBoY, I did!
[07:22] <bassem> and I'm waiting
[07:23] <YoBoY> and if you don't have an answer after some days (one week) you can ping the loco council here
[07:24] <bassem> YoBoY, who exactly? or anyone ?
[07:24] <czajkowski> bassem: what's up ?
[07:24] <YoBoY> czajkowski: he want to request a ubuntu-CC.org domain
[07:25] <czajkowski> what team is that for ?
[07:25] <bassem> czajkowski, Emirates Team
[07:25] <bassem> czajkowski, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EmiratesTeam
[07:26] <czajkowski> bassem: ok as far as I know it needs a RT to be requested I'm just about to head out the door to work can you email me and I'll follow up on it today for you
[07:26] <czajkowski> bassem: email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and I'll have some more information for you soon ok
[07:26] <czajkowski> and we also need to get you on the LD
[07:27] <bassem> czajkowski, I add our team on launchpad to locoteams project, I've read that is enough to be listed in LD!
[07:27] <bassem> right?
[07:28] <bassem> *I've added
[07:28] <czajkowski> not seeing it http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/
[07:28] <czajkowski> I have to go will look into it later
[07:28] <czajkowski> please email me and I can follow up on it ok.
[07:29] <bassem> czajkowski, https://launchpad.net/~emirateslocoteam
[07:29] <czajkowski> bassem: EMAIL
[07:29] <bassem> czajkowski, ok I will do
[07:29] <bassem> thanks
[07:34] <BigWhale> Greetings
[08:04] <dholbach> good morning
[09:42] <daker> cjohnston, pong
[12:46] <kim0> Ronnie: howdy .. Just edited the wiki page for maps
[12:46] <Ronnie> hey kim0 ill have a look
[12:46] <kim0> Ronnie: Hey, I'd like to blog about it today to attract more minds into working on this .. sounds good ?
[12:47] <Ronnie> the more developers, the better in this case
[12:47] <kim0> wanna write the core posting ?
[12:49] <Ronnie> im not very good at writing motivating texts
[12:50] <kim0> hehe no problemo ..
[12:50] <kim0> I'll do it then
[12:50] <Ronnie> great
[13:01] <mhall119> morning
[13:01] <mhall119> czajkowski: how ya feeling?
[13:09] <mhall119> cjohnston: ping
[13:28] <nigelb> oh yay, mhall119 is back!
[13:32] <mhall119> yup
[13:32] <mhall119> a little bit sun burnt, and a lot tired, but I'm back
[13:36] <nigelb> :)
[14:42] <czajkowski> mhall119: not good
[14:45] <mhall119> :(
[16:46] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAppDeveloperWeek starting in 15 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[17:15] <cjohnston> mhall119: pond (leaving in a minute)
[17:24] <mhall119> pond?
[17:24] <mhall119> lol, just ping me when you're available
[17:33] <nigelb> mhall119: so that's where they get all the water to put out fires :p
[18:27] <sense> AlanBell: Your meetbot is awesome!
[18:43] <cjohnston> mhall119: im back
[18:45] <mhall119> cjohnston: hey, just curious as to what additional changes you had to make to the summit qrcodes branch
[18:47] <cjohnston> just a couple words
[18:50] <cjohnston> changed to Ubuntu Circle of Friends from circle of friends
[18:51] <cjohnston> it needs: "Once you have the software, run it and select "
[18:51] <cjohnston> i dont remember what else
[18:54] <cjohnston> Daviey: any chance you can review the remaining branches for summit and push live?
[19:08] <mhall119> Daviey: there's a db migration in there, so make sure to get a db backup before pushing
[19:11] <Daviey> I won't do this today. currently on the road, will be too tired when i get home
[19:11] <Daviey> It's something i can probably do tomorrow
[19:11] <Daviey> mhall119, we need to get you access.
[19:14] <locodir-user> i have a question
[19:14] <locodir-user>   Im writting a script, one of the headers is Files with EUID and GUID owned by root... I need a command that lists those files... Im assuming it should be done with a single line command.Please help me
[19:14] <mhall119> Daviey: if you can, I'd be happy to take over
[19:16] <Daviey> mhall119: Probably something to sort out @ UDS.
[19:16] <locodir-user> anyone? please me with this problem
[19:16] <AlanBell> locodir-user: hi
[19:16] <mhall119> locodir-user: EUID?
[19:17] <locodir-user> ya
[19:22] <locodir-user> please help me with this problem
[19:22] <AlanBell> locodir-user: not sure I understand the problem
[19:22] <AlanBell> and the main support channel is #ubuntu
[19:22] <AlanBell> you want to list files belonging to root or something?
[19:23] <locodir-user> ya
[19:23] <locodir-user> rott
[19:23] <locodir-user> root*
[19:23] <AlanBell> find -user root
[19:23] <AlanBell> should do it
[19:25] <locodir-user> its a script
[19:25] <locodir-user> i want to list all the files
[19:29] <locodir-user> what should i do
[19:31] <AlanBell> locodir-user: well that does list all the files owned by root
[19:31] <AlanBell> in a single line command
[19:31] <AlanBell> and it does it recursively
[19:34] <locodir-user> so this is the answer?
[19:34] <locodir-user> find -user root
[19:35] <AlanBell> it is an answer, to the question I think you asked :)
[19:36] <locodir-user> thanks :)
[20:18] <cjohnston> daker_: / Ronnie pping
[20:18] <Ronnie> cjohnston: pong
[20:21] <cjohnston> Ronnie: can you look into the current trunk of summit and the current trunk of light-django-theme? I'm showing an issue with the top-nav on some pages with top-nav display
[20:25] <Ronnie> cjohnston: on what pages?
[20:26] <cjohnston> /uds-o/
[20:26] <cjohnston> and maybe sponsorship
[20:34] <Ronnie> cjohnston: how to import some sort of live data?
[20:34] <Ronnie> of is there some sample data
[20:35] <cjohnston> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam/SummitJam
[20:35] <cjohnston> Ronnie: ^
[20:35] <cjohnston> at the bottom there is a .db
[20:37] <Ronnie> cjohnston: whats wrong with the top-nav?
[20:37] <Ronnie> ouch: no such column: schedule_attendee.crew -> on uds-o/
[20:38] <cjohnston> ./manage.py migrate
[20:38] <Ronnie> here the top-nav is good, no erros
[20:41] <Ronnie> cjohnston: ^
[20:41] <Ronnie> can you make a screenshot of yours
[20:41] <cjohnston> Ronnie: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2494160/Screenshot-Ubuntu%20Developer%20Summit%20-%20Chromium.png
[20:42] <Ronnie> cjohnston: and you use the trunk of light-django-theme?
[20:43] <cjohnston> yes
[20:43] <cjohnston> ubuntu-community-webtheme/light-django-theme
[20:43] <Ronnie> hmm strange
[20:43] <Ronnie> i tested both ff4.0 and chromium
[20:44] <cjohnston> mhall119 couldnt see it either
[20:44] <Ronnie> ff 3.6.10 is good too
[20:44] <cjohnston> can you prepare summit for use with the top-nav?
[20:44] <Ronnie> cjohnston: do you have any plugins, did you clreay your cache
[20:44] <cjohnston> so that maybe we can push that out tomorrow?
[20:44] <cjohnston> ya
[20:44] <cjohnston> I dunno what it is... I guess we can push it and see if its just me
[20:45] <Ronnie> no, i have no time to change the top-nav. im not familiar with summit, and my time is limited.
[20:45] <cjohnston> ok
[20:45] <cjohnston> I'll see what I can figure out from the LD code
[20:45] <Ronnie> yes, shouldnt be that hard
[20:47] <Ronnie> cjohnston: other question, do you know how to convert databases, i want to switch from mysql to postgres (django app). how can i migrate the data?
[20:47] <cjohnston> no idea
[20:47] <Ronnie> oke
[20:47] <Ronnie> i tried to make a dump to sql, but somehow psql is complaining
[20:48] <cjohnston> no idea
[20:48]  * cjohnston is off for a bit
[20:48] <Ronnie> oke
[21:11] <RBecker> How many of you guys are in South Carolina?
[21:12] <serfus> Idea: when you log in to LD, a link to your loco team should be maybe next to the "Logged in as" down there. i think it would be comfortable
[21:13] <cjohnston> serfus: we already have something in the works
[21:13] <serfus> RBecker, probably #ubuntu-us-sc  would be full of people from South Carolina :-)
[21:14] <serfus> cjohnston, oh good
[21:14] <RBecker> preeety empty
[21:14] <serfus> ah too bad
[21:14] <RBecker> I'm thinking of starting one locally
[21:14] <RBecker> like in the county
[21:16] <RBecker> http://www.ubuntusc.com/ (the website they have listed) is about body piercing
[21:17] <serfus> RBecker, have you tried to contact the team?
[21:17] <RBecker> there's no contact set
[21:17] <serfus> you can try at the mailing list
[21:17] <RBecker> that's true
[21:18] <serfus> RBecker, you should also contact the launchpad team owner
[21:19] <RBecker> I'll do both
[21:19] <RBecker> I would love to join it if it's active, if not I may start one locally
[21:19] <serfus> the team consists 31 people, which is a great start
[21:20] <RBecker> I only got interested in LoCo because TWIL mentioned it in their latest video
[21:20] <serfus> it's always good to try and rebuild a team (or revive if it's dead) rather then starting a new one from scratch
[21:21] <RBecker> makes sense
[21:21] <serfus> LoCos are awesome :)
[21:22] <RBecker> there's only 4 real people in the IRC channel
[21:25] <serfus> ya it seems like the team has not been active for a long time
[21:26] <serfus> if you have the time and guts, go ahead and make it work again :)
[21:26] <RBecker> I would love to see it back in action
[21:29] <serfus> i'm off now, you shouldstick around, other great people here will assist you. just sometimes this channel is a bit quiet so don't take it personally
[21:29] <RBecker> I'm used to dead IRC channels
[21:29] <RBecker> No worries :)
[21:29] <serfus> ;P good night world


[09:23] <Bader> elacheche: je n'ai pas trouvé dans l'API Wikipedia comment trouver des utilisateurs, dans bugzilla il n'y a pas de champ location ou country, l'API launchpad ne semble pas permettre de rechercher des utilisateur sur des champs, et j'aimerai me concentrer sur le site le plus populaire en tunisie et il me semble que c'est hackerrank
[09:23] <Bader> je pense que ça devrait être possible avec wikipedia mais je n'ai pas encore trouvé comment
[11:01] <elacheche> Bader: Years ago, I created a script to get Official Ubuntu Members list from LP.. I'll take a look and try to hack it to get list by Country + Karma (Karma isn't stable, so even if someone was EXTREAMLY active a year ago, he can end up wth 0 karma by now)..
[13:06] <Bader> elacheche: basically you scrapped LP, isn't it?
[13:06] <elacheche> Nop! I used the api
[13:06] <Bader> and I'm thinking about the fact that it could be discriminatory against contributors to other distros :s
[13:08] <elacheche> Years ago, there was a Tunisian contributor who only contributes to Ubuntu translation (via lp only), and she was not active in any community locally or internationnaly.. I only knew about her because a friend knew her.. I even can't rememebr her name.. Only the face and the fact that she had thousands of karma
[13:11] <elacheche>  btw, I agree that lp api is not cool at all.. LP itself is very slow, same for the api, I was trying to get info about mirrors from lp, the information I needed wasn't available via the api, I ended scarpping it :/
[13:11] <elacheche> But, info about users are available via the api
[13:36] <Bader> they're no location field but... timezone could be used to find them
[16:27] <elacheche> You can use TZ or Loco Teams membership
[23:23] <Bader> elacheche: you're member of the egyptian loco team. I think that timezone could be more efficient


[10:02] <sacarde> hi
[10:03] <sacarde> I read that ubuntu18.04server will have text-installer
[10:04] <sacarde> it will be the same as the lubuntu-alternate ?
[12:42] <xnox> no
[12:42] <xnox> well, current ubuntu server ships with the d-i installer (which i believe is what lubuntu-alternate uses) which will be available
[12:43] <xnox> if you are talking about "new" server installer, that is something brand new, and not used by lubuntu-alternate.
[13:20] <sacarde> about new text installer... it will configure keyboard by pressing keys?
[13:22] <sacarde> like alternate-installer
[13:28] <xnox> sacarde, keyboard selection page has landed; but i have not tried it out yet.
[13:33] <sacarde> what does "has landed" mean ?
[14:36] <xnox> sacarde, as in, it's on the new server image...
[14:37] <xnox> sacarde, http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2018/02/rfc-new-ubuntu-1804-lts-server-installer.html ?!
[15:36] <sacarde> this feature too? (... Alternatively, it can detect your keyboard layout. You will be asked to press some keys...)


[19:13] <ibeardslee> morning
[19:23] <Atamira> morena
[19:27] <olly> morning
[20:30] <ajmitch> morning
[20:35] <hads> morning
[21:13] <mwhudson> morning
[21:13] <mwhudson> ... i think anyway, it's hard to be sure


[06:04] <cgmb> ginggs: thank you so much! that takes so much stress off
[06:05] <cgmb> rocm stack still a few small issues here and there, but this is looking like a smashing success
[06:05] <cgmb> *still has a
[06:07] <cgmb> gringgs: the hipfft problem seems to be that LTO does not work with the HIP language
[06:07] <cgmb> I've disabled LTO explicitly in hipfft 5.7.1-2... I'll verify that that will fix the FTBFS on noble amd64
[07:49] <cgmb> why do some build failures not include a build log?
[07:49] <cgmb> e.g., https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hipblas/5.5.1-4/+build/28130438?
[08:15] <ginggs> cgmb: that means the connection to the builder was lost, and needs a manual retry
[08:15] <ginggs> (done for hipblas)
[08:34] <zhsj> now sure if it's too late for sync ccls (bug 2063085), for migrating build-dep to llvm-default(llvm-18)
[08:34] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Bug 2063085 in ccls (Ubuntu) "Sync ccls 0.20240202-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2063085
[08:36] <zhsj> s/now sure/not sure/...
[08:38] <cgmb> ginggs: thanks! It built successfully. Now all I need is someone with a Raptor Talos II to let me know if it actually works...
[08:43] <ginggs> zhsj: .
[14:30] <bdrung> on a noble unity system: the logout hangs for ~3 minutes. Any hints how to debug that?
[15:57] <tsimonq2> bdrung: Check your user-level systemd units, that should give you a few hints.
[15:58] <bdrung> tsimonq2, i have a failed org.freedesktop.IBus.session.GNOME.service and org.gnome.SettingsDaemon.XSettings.service on my logged-in system
[17:19] <cgmb> my last request for noble is to rebuild rocsparse, rocthrust and hipcub without changes
[17:19] <cgmb> (the struggle of header-only libraries)
[17:20] <cgmb> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rocsparse/+bug/2063139
[17:20] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2063139 in rocthrust (Ubuntu) "Please rebuild using rocprim 5.7.1-2" [Undecided, New]
[17:20] <cgmb> there's a Navi 22/23/24 bug from an older version of rocprim baked into the current binaries
[17:21] <cgmb> it's a minor bug and the workaround is simple and familiar to users, but the fix is easy too
[17:22] <cgmb> if it's too late, we can always SRU it
[18:04] <tertitten> Hi, I'm trying to figure out how to debrand the new noble installer, the slides are not a problem, however I'm strugling with finding how I can change/ de-brand the initial steps, can someone point me in the right direction? Thanks.
[18:39] <jbicha> tertitten: did you read https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-desktop-provision/blob/main/README.md & the linked configuration guide?
[18:55] <tertitten> jbicha: Reading now, thanks
[21:49] <mwhudson> well https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cctbx/2023.12+ds2+~3.17.0+ds1-4build3/+build/28134723 is confusing


 http://blog.checkpoint.com/2017/03/15/check-point-discloses-vulnerability-whatsapp-telegram/
 Still no update...
 For the Nexus 6 or Watch?
 Watch
 It is coming, It normally happens in waves.


[10:05] <akiva-thinkpad> !ping
[10:05] <akiva-thinkpad> cool
[10:05] <akiva-thinkpad> ports no longer blocked
[18:09] <aquarius> OK, who, other than Ken, knows about the Content Hub? I can't work out for the life of me how to use it :(
[18:33] <ahayzen> aquarius, what are you trying todo with it?
[18:51] <aquarius> ahayzen, I have a list of the filenames of files in my app's data folder, and I show them in a ListView. I would like tapping a filename to show a list of apps on the phone which I can share that file to, and then choosing an app to open that file in that app.
[18:51] <ahayzen> ok
[18:51] <aquarius> ahayzen, and I cannot work out how. A ContentPeerPicker presumably has something to do with it.
[18:52] <ahayzen> yeah it will do... i've only done an import (need to still implement export for music)..but this may be useful..
[18:52] <aquarius> Also, every example I can find shows a Page with a ContentPeerPicker in it, and the app pushes that Page onto a PageStack. But my app doesn't have a PageStack, it has Tabs, so I don't know how to even show the Picker, even if I could get it working, which I can't. :)
[18:52] <ahayzen> https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/+junk/hub-exporter
[18:53] <aquarius> Yeah, I've done import; Readability appears in the browser's Share menu. It's being a source for sharing (without being a source for other apps that want to import a file) that I can't work out.
[18:53] <aquarius> Yup, I've been looking at the hub exporter code, which as far as I can tell is the nearest thing to actual documentation of this stuff, but it's pretty impenetrable :(
[18:54] <ahayzen> so what have you got working so far?
[18:55] <aquarius> nothing. The actual ContentHub code is complaining about not having peers, but Ken's hub-importer doesn't even *mention* PeerModelLoader, so I have no idea where one of those comes from
[18:55] <aquarius> I can't even get started -- I can work out so little about this stuff that I don't even know what I don't know, if you see what I mean!
[18:56] <ahayzen> he has a ContentPeerPicker {}
[18:57] <ahayzen> IIRC the way his works is to load up activeTransfer with the items to transfer
[18:57] <ahayzen> then it then picker is shown
[18:57] <ahayzen> then it calls __exportItems(url)
[18:58] <aquarius> He does, and I have one too, but when I try to use it, I get "file:///usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/qml/Ubuntu/Content/ContentPeerPicker.qml:229: TypeError: Cannot read property 'peers' of null"... and that code line is  "model: customPeerModelLoader ? customPeerModelLoader.item.peers : peerModelLoader.item.peers"... that is, it's expecting to have a PeerModelLoader or a CustomPeerModelLoader, and Ken doesn't
[18:58] <aquarius> have one, so I don't get how any of it works :)
[19:01] <ahayzen> ugh i fear i'm going to have to figure this out for music soon as well :-)
[19:03]  * ahayzen wonders if that is a type "customer" https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/qml/sdk-15.04/Ubuntu.Content.ContentPeerPicker/#customerPeerModelLoader-prop
[19:03] <ahayzen> *typo lol
[19:03] <aquarius> I have been assuming that that's meant to be "custom", yeah :)
[19:03] <ahayzen> it says *optional*
[19:03] <aquarius> but that is far from the worst fault in the documentation
[19:04] <aquarius> ya, I *think* that if you want to provide your own peermodelloader you can set that to override the system one
[19:04] <aquarius> but I don't seem to *have* the system one, and I don't know how to set it up, because the hub-importer never mentions it!
[19:04] <ahayzen> when you look at this page https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/qml/sdk-15.04/Ubuntu.Content/ your just like which Content* thing do i want?!
[19:05] <aquarius> this stuff is totally indecipherable; the docs are either low-level API docs or high-level handwavy "the content hub is for exchanging files between apps" stuff. There are no explanations of *how to use it* :(
[19:05] <ahayzen> what does you code look like currently?
[19:06] <aquarius> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11868377/
[19:06] <aquarius> but that's not useful
[19:06] <aquarius> because I'm literally just altering stuff at random ;)
[19:06] <aquarius> and clicking the listitem throws "ContentPeerPicker.qml:229: TypeError: Cannot read property 'peers' of null"
[19:08] <ahayzen> "ContentType.Uknown" https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/qml/sdk-15.04/Ubuntu.Content.ContentType/
[19:08] <ahayzen> who wrote these docs ? lol
[19:08] <aquarius> is there an app which can share a file to other apps, so I can look at the source? mzanetti's Tagger does it, I think, but I don't understand that either :)
[19:09] <ahayzen> yeah camera, gallery do as well IIRC
[19:09] <mzanetti> aquarius, huh? you mean content hub?
[19:09] <ahayzen> yup
[19:09] <aquarius> mzanetti, I do
[19:10] <mzanetti> aquarius, ~mzanetti/+junk/contenthubtest
[19:10] <mzanetti> this is a test app I use when I do something with contenthub
[19:10] <aquarius> ooh, that sounds useful ;)
[19:10] <mzanetti> it can share and receive anything
[19:10] <mzanetti> not 100% finished yet
[19:10] <aquarius> thank you! I shall look at that
[19:10] <mzanetti> I plan to publish to store once it's ready... but should work fine for most parts already
[19:12] <ahayzen> aquarius, also just found this which is a text only exporter http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/+junk/hub-text-exporter/view/head:/Main.qml which looks quite simple compared to the others
[19:15] <aquarius> mzanetti, what's the difference between "share" and "export"?
[19:15] <ahayzen> haha
[19:16] <aquarius> that's in the content hub api, it's not a peculiarity of mzanetti's app. But nothing describes what the difference is!
[19:16] <ahayzen> i did know the difference at one point...
[19:19] <mzanetti> aquarius, export is to "save" a file, share is to post it to facebook etc
[19:19] <mzanetti> aquarius, depending on which one you select you'll notice different apps showing up in the ContentPeerPicker
[19:20] <ahayzen> mzanetti, how does that filter it? by the type of content?
[19:20] <mzanetti> two things. ContentType and handler (share vs export)
[19:21] <ahayzen> ah ok so by having destination: [music] .. we only appear under export IIRC ?
[19:21] <mzanetti> not necessarily... every app accepting content can specify both
[19:22] <mzanetti> you can also write an app to share music
[19:22] <ahayzen> yeah i need to make music a source of music at some point
[19:22] <ahayzen> so then you could go from the Clock and pick a track for your alarm
[19:23] <ahayzen> or your ringtone whatever
[19:26] <aquarius> since my app is basically like the file manager, I think I'd want a combination of both, but I don't know how to do that either..
[19:28] <mzanetti> aquarius, for sending things to other apps you need: the apparmor policy content_exchange_source
[19:29] <mzanetti> in your app have a "share" button, onClicked show a ContentPeerPicker with contentType: ContentType.All (or restrict to whatever) and handler ContentType.Share
[19:30] <mzanetti> onPeerPicked, create a new ContentItem, set the url property to your file and and set it's state to Charged
[19:31] <aquarius> ok, that makes sense; let me try that
[19:33] <mzanetti> then you can add a "save" or "open with..." button and do exactly the same, but set the picker's handler property to ContentHandler.Destination
[19:33] <mzanetti> for receiving content it's a bit different then...
[19:42] <aquarius> Simplest imaginable approach: all I want to do is show a ContentPeerPicker (I'm not even trying to do the transfer yet, so we'll screw up when a peer is picked), code at http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11868561/ and it throws error "ContentPeerPicker.qml:229: TypeError: Cannot read property 'peers' of null" on startup... presumably because I don't set a PeerModel? Or something? Confused
[19:50] <mzanetti> aquarius, hmm... are you running it on the desktop?
[19:51] <aquarius> ah. I am. That may be it. I'll try it on the phone, then...
[19:54] <aquarius> same error...
[19:55] <aquarius> ContentPeerPicker10.qml:186: TypeError: Cannot read property 'peers' of null
[20:12] <aquarius> let me try your contenthubtest and work out what's different :)


[05:30] <nuvolari> oh hi
[05:30] <nuvolari> fp
[05:46] <inetpro> good mornings
[05:50] <Squirm> morning
[06:04] <mazal> Morning everyone
[06:18] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy mazal and others
[06:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo
[06:18] <Kilos> did you see that lava in the code?
[06:18] <Kilos> its massive
[06:19]  * Symmetria murders his cats
[06:19] <Symmetria> I couldnt find my car keys ANYWHERE
[06:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> in the code?
[06:19] <Symmetria> eventually I walk outside, and there is the cat with the keys swatting them around like they are some new toy
[06:19] <Kilos> ya man the stuff you read
[06:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> massive how? i don't follow
[06:20] <Kilos> goes on and on
[06:20] <Kilos> source all over
[06:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> still not following
[06:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> are you talking about lava that you found somewhere?
[06:21] <Kilos> the lava area is massive and from many source areas
[06:21] <Kilos> you found it with the mining drill
[06:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> uh
[06:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> ok, not really sure where the code comes into it, but ok
[06:22] <Kilos> i was wondering if you could read the code and see where there is lava
[06:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh
[06:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> no
[06:23] <mazal> Morning Kilos , ThatGraemeGuy , Symmetria
[06:23] <Kilos> hi Symmetria
[06:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> the code describes how things work, how a pick wears, how much health an apple gives you, how common iron is, etc.
[06:23] <mazal> Symmetria, it could be worse , it could have been in the fridge :)
[06:23] <Kilos> say morning before cat stories
[06:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> the actual world contents are in the database and that isn't easily readable
[06:23] <Symmetria> lol morning :P sorry Im just frustrated
[06:23] <Symmetria> boss is gonna love my reason for being late for our meeting
[06:23] <Symmetria> cat stole my keys
[06:23] <Kilos> oh ok ty ThatGraemeGuy
[06:23] <Symmetria> :P
[06:24] <mazal> hehehe
[06:24] <Kilos> hahaha
[06:24] <mazal> Reminds me of the " the dog ate my homework " thing :)
[06:25] <mazal> ThatGraemeGuy, I build me one of those mining lasers this weekend. Love it
[06:25] <Symmetria> ;p always knew pussy be crazy
[06:25]  * Symmetria runs
[06:25] <mazal> Just takes lots of crafting and resources to get it up to mk3
[06:25] <Kilos> you modern way is to say i was busy
[06:25] <Kilos> when asked with what you say stuff
[06:27] <mazal> Oom Kilos , have you check out yet what a watercan does to lava. Wow I love that thing
[06:27] <mazal> Takes tones of water and just one drop is like a small dam hehehe
[06:28] <Kilos> yip busy fighting like that now, used 10 diamond picks up on obsidian already
[06:28] <mazal> Don't you have a laser yet ?
[06:28] <Kilos> oh water can no i just use one bucket
[06:28] <mazal> Make a watercan
[06:28] <mazal> Is worth it
[06:29] <Kilos> yes but thats dangerous near lava it can spread it
[06:29] <mazal> Yesterday I almost destroyd a whole lake of lava with just one drop from watercan
[06:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: a water can is like a bucket except it holds 16 water not just 1
[06:29] <Kilos> sjoe
[06:29] <mazal> And 1 drop is much more water , that's the thing
[06:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> no it isn't
[06:29] <mazal> A water drop from can goes much wider than bucket
[06:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> its a water source block just like any other
[06:30] <mazal> Not for me
[06:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> ai
[06:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> another one that wants to argue with the code
[06:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> ok then
[06:30] <Kilos> i try control the water so is doesnt convert all the running lava as well
[06:30] <mazal> Usually from a bucket it kills 4x4 lava
[06:30] <mazal> From the can is much wider
[06:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> go to a big flat area, put down water from a bucket, count how far it goes
[06:31] <Kilos> hahaha
[06:31] <mazal> It was flat area
[06:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> repeat with water from a can
[06:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> if its different i'll give you R500
[06:31] <mazal> Was a big flat lake
[06:31] <mazal> I was making ready for second drop and saw the water just keeps going and changed much wider lava to obsidian
[06:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> ok
[06:32] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy, have you played minecraft?
[06:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: i could never bring myself to spend R300 on something that seemed kinda pointless
[06:33] <Kilos> i was wondering if it also has the new mods we are using
[06:33] <Kilos> ai!
[06:33] <Kilos> that much
[06:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> and now i can't bring myself to spend R300 on it because minetest is good enough for now
[06:34] <Kilos> minetest is great was wondering if it isnt more advanced than minecraft
[06:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> doubt it, minecraft has huge money behind it, minetest is just a bunch of people that are doing it for fun
[06:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> spend some time browsing the minecraft wiki and you'll see even without mods its WAY more complex
[06:35] <mazal> Right at the beginning I was concidering minecraft , but after all the mods was loaded I am also in the " why spend money when minetest is good enough " boat
[06:35] <Kilos> being opensource hasnt it got more peeps helping with dev work
[06:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> don't know
[06:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> but its a bunch of people who do it as a fun thing
[06:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> minecraft has a team of devs whose job it is to code minecraft all day long
[06:37] <Kilos> yeah , and we score
[06:37] <Kilos> oh ok
[06:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Minecraft_Wiki, take a look you'll see
[06:38] <Kilos> too much to read
[06:38] <Kilos> sjoe
[06:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: we have enough stainless steel blocks for the reactor now. i need to start making concrete and blast-resistant concrete sometime and then we can build it
[06:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> need to find a good location and then also i want to look into one of the area ownership mods to prevent accidental damage to the reactor building
[06:41] <Kilos> cool ill start making some tonight, i spose they are in the recipes
[06:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> last thing we need is someone accidentally firing a mining laser blast at the reactor building :-o
[06:42] <Kilos> yeah we dont want a kernobil thing
[06:42] <Kilos> that russian one that blew
[06:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> there are a few mods that allow you to define ownership of an area so nobody can dig blocks unless they are the owner
[06:43] <Kilos> im scared of using that mk3 lazer unless im past everything and everyone
[06:43] <Kilos> thats good
[06:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> i was thinking i can sign in to the game as the superadmin player, then make it, then even i can't accidentally damage it when i log in with my normal player
[06:43] <Kilos> found marble now deep down
[06:44] <Kilos> thats a good idea
[06:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> i have a lot of marble but as yet haven't found any good use for it
[06:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> except maybe a big marble building
[06:45] <Kilos> did you take the uranium too?
[06:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> i did
[06:45] <Kilos> cool
[06:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> we have 21 fuel rods already
[06:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> that's 3.5 weeks' worth
[06:45] <Kilos> we should have enough to keep going a while
[06:46] <Kilos> whew how many uranium  ingots in a rod?
[06:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> 120 uranium lumps goes into 6 fuel rods
[06:46] <Kilos> whew
[06:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> 5 lumps makes 1 enriched uranium ingot, and 4 of those ingots go into 1 fuel rod
[06:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> and 6 rods are needed for the reactor to be powered
[06:47] <Kilos> wow hungry monster hey
[06:47] <Kilos> now well need lots of hv cable and converters
[06:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> it is, but it generates a ton of power
[06:48] <Kilos> is the toolbox only mv
[06:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> and unlike solar its avaialble constantly
[06:48] <Kilos> oh you must go see the power from my lv setup
[06:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> yes only mv
[06:48] <Kilos> power up lots with extra arrays
[06:49] <Kilos> building batteries and all that stuff is very time consuming
[06:50] <Kilos> i was thinking of getting solar power in the deep but that will take forever to craft and build
[06:51] <Kilos> those mv generators eat coal
[06:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> not really sure why you even built all that
[06:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> you can travel home and back so quickly now with travelpoints its unnecessary
[06:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> or else some geothermal generators
[06:53] <Kilos> yes wasnt thinking of porting at the time but its handy for everyone to charge things and repair tools there
[06:54] <Kilos> will look into geothermal tonight if i member
[06:54] <Kilos> would be nice to be able to use lava for power
[06:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> geothermal generator does
[06:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> but its LV only, & only makes 300EU
[06:55] <Kilos> but just plug into a big source not put buckets full into generator
[06:55] <Kilos> oi thats too min
[06:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> geothermal generator works by putting lava next to one side and water next to the other side
[06:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> but yeah, only 300EU
[06:56] <Kilos> hmm...
[06:57] <Kilos> not matter how much water and lava is used?
[06:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> so if you want to upconvert to MV you need 34 geothermal setups
[06:57] <Kilos> eish
[06:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> because a supply converter requires 10000EU on the input side
[06:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> it does matter
[06:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> if you have 1 block of water and 1 lava you only get 25% output
[06:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> 75EU
[06:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> the max is 300 and that's with 2 blocks of water and 2 lava
[06:58] <Kilos> yeah then what if you use like 20 blocks of lava on one side
[06:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> then nothing, the code doesn't care
[06:58] <Kilos> oi
[06:59] <Kilos> i was thinking of a dam next to a large lava source
[06:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> i built one but it didn't last long, takes too long to charge a mk3 laser on a LV battery
[06:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> in the laser mining area i have an hv generator and battery
[06:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> that battery charges the mk3 in a couple of minutes
[07:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> i don't worry about a tool workshop because my tools don't wear significantly when i'm laser mining
[07:00] <Kilos> ya i put 2 there in the deep
[07:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> you must go see it, its massive already
[07:00] <Kilos> i will go look again
[07:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> i keep having to patch up when the lava comes through as well
[07:00] <Kilos> whew
[07:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> but its at the far side of my channel where i walk, so its not even dangerous
[07:01] <Kilos> why not go up and kill the source?
[07:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> because its several layers deep and i already have a chest full of obsidian
[07:03] <Kilos> hahaha
[07:03] <Kilos> pity water only converts one layer at a time hey
[07:03] <Kilos> major work
[07:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> exactly
[07:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> the amount of work it takes me to just patch up the lava every time i laser it open is minimal
[07:04] <Kilos> ya
[07:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> the lava is right at the edge of the laser's range
[07:04] <Kilos> ah
[07:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> if it was in the middle it'd be different
[07:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> then i'd water it and just use the laser to remove the obsidian as i go along
[07:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> the problem with that laser mining area is more that i'm getting closer to -300
[07:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> and after that there's no uranium, so i need to branch off and start another one eventually
[07:06] <Kilos> whew
[07:07] <Kilos> with the pads it makes life so much easier
[07:07] <Kilos> i still keep falling off narrow roads
[07:08] <Kilos> ah found a use for marble
[07:08] <Kilos> we can build a white house for the reactors officials to live in
[07:09] <Kilos> the govt
[07:10] <Kilos> the pro and son are staying in mazals house, bart has no time to worry about a home as well
[07:32] <charl> morning Kilos, ThatGraemeGuy
[07:32] <Kilos> hi charl
[07:32] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[07:32]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[07:32] <Kilos> hi Spekko
[07:36] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[07:37] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[07:37] <Maaz> charl: Sure
[07:37] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[07:39] <Vince-0> hi Kilos
[07:39] <charl> hi Vince-0
[07:40] <mazal> Ai , it's one of those days
[07:47] <charl> hi mazal
[07:57] <mazal> Morning charl
[08:07] <nuvolari> good grief :P can't turn my back for 2 hours! Coming back and I have to take leave to catch up on IRC
[08:07] <nuvolari> hi oom Kilos, Vince-0, charl, mazal
[08:08] <Kilos> lo nuvolari
[08:08] <Kilos> lol
[08:08] <mazal> Ho nuvolari
[08:08] <mazal> hi even
[08:09] <Kilos>  #ubuntu-za-minetest
[08:09] <charl> hi nuvolari
[08:10] <mazal> One hash oom ?
[08:11] <Kilos> lol nee man ek terg want ons praat baie van minetest hier
[08:11] <mazal> o
[08:11] <mazal> Is nogal , ons gaan raas kry
[08:11] <Kilos> baie interesante speletjie
[08:12] <Kilos> by wie
[08:12] <mazal> Wie ookal die baas is hier :P
[08:12] <Kilos> die hoe vonk
[08:12] <Kilos> hy te besig om te kom lees
[08:13] <Kilos> is mos hy ne?
[08:14] <mazal> Ek het geen idee van wie oom praat nie
[08:14] <Kilos> highvoltage
[08:15] <mazal> But , having a ZA minetest support/discussion site/channel might actually be not a bad idea
[08:16] <Kilos> can one rename irc channels
[08:16] <mazal> I would like to know how many ZA'ers knows about and plays the game
[08:16] <Kilos> we can use ##ubuntu-za-social
[08:16] <mazal> Would be good if one could promote it more as well
[08:16] <Kilos> maybe rename it if that can be done
[08:17] <Kilos> most peeps dont have the time mazal
[08:17] <mazal> I think minetest deserves some more credit and promotion. Such a great project and since I started it I hardly ever touch my expensive games anymore lol
[08:18] <Kilos> lol
[08:18] <mazal> I was thinking more amongst gamers oom.
[08:18] <Kilos> ash
[08:18] <mazal> People who already play games. Get them to know about and try out the game
[08:18] <Kilos> ahtoo
[08:19] <Kilos> i think what makes it great is playing with friends who helpmekaar
[08:19] <mazal> And I can attest that it runs better on Ubuntu than on Win 7 ( cos I play on 3 different pc's ) so it will sommer be some publicity for Ubuntu as well
[08:20] <Kilos> i wouldnt enjoy it much if peeps were stealing things and attacking you all the time
[08:20] <mazal> Yeah indeed , rules is always needed in a game like this
[08:21] <Kilos> like on the main site they always fighting
[08:21] <mazal> On the forum ?
[08:21] <Kilos> i lose enough by mistakenly trashing the wrong things
[08:21] <mazal> lol
[08:21] <Kilos> um
[08:22] <Kilos> i forget the link
[08:22] <mazal> I sometimes forget where I left something
[08:22] <Kilos> the one the game can go to
[08:22] <Kilos> haha i do that all the time
[08:23] <Kilos> better to have a few gold chests than all the plain ones
[08:23] <Kilos> only the crafting is hard work
[08:24] <mazal> I have a chest room with nice names and stuff. But sometimes I have some random building materials as I was building and then put them seperate close by. Then 3 weeks later " I am sure I have some of this bricks somewhere "
[08:24] <Kilos> maybe not on chests but on everything else
[08:24] <Kilos> lol
[08:24] <Kilos> old age
[08:25] <mazal> I must learn to clean up my building site when the building is done and go put it at my home
[08:25] <Kilos> do you carry a chest around to place at other jobs
[08:26] <mazal> Nope
[08:26] <mazal> Is to easy to craft one
[08:26] <Kilos> make a gold one
[08:26] <Kilos> then make a wrench
[08:26] <mazal> I must concider that way
[08:26] <mazal> I am mostly a builder and every now and then I go work on a new building
[08:26] <Kilos> then fill the chest then when job done pick up the full chest and take it home
[08:27] <mazal> Good idea oom , gonna do that
[08:29] <mazal> Shees my Thunderbird looks really strange after update
[08:29] <mazal> Especially the "write" screen
[08:50] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy, have you the info on how the reactor building must be please, ill try build one on creative to see
[08:50] <Kilos> i cant find that link you gave
[09:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: https://github.com/minetest-technic/technic/blob/master/technic/machines/HV/nuclear_reactor.lua, line 100
[09:18] <Kilos> ty sir
[09:20] <Kilos> eeeek
[09:21] <Kilos> pictures man not code
[09:21] <Kilos> sjoe ek sukkel met my volk
[09:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> :-o
[09:22] <Kilos> lol thats all code i see
[09:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> it isn't 1980 anymore, you should probably use more modern terms
[09:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> "workers" maybe for a start
[09:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> and the picture is from line 103 to 113
[09:23] <Kilos> volk=nation
[09:25] <Kilos> i have no idea what to do with that. must i use it in a terminal?
[09:25] <Kilos> or paste that somewhere
[09:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> for real?
[09:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> you read it
[09:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> like just normal words
[09:28] <Kilos> i have no idea at all really
[09:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> and it tells you what the structure of the thing should look like
[09:29] <Kilos> i can read it yes but what do i do with what i read
[09:29] <Kilos> ok lemme see again
[09:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> am i on candid camera?
[09:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> you build the structure
[09:29] <Kilos> rofl
[09:33] <Kilos> ill copy/paste that code somewhere , it aint easy to read
[09:33] <Kilos> http://picpaste.com/whew-f56Ukc6v.png
[09:37] <Private_User> lol
[09:37] <Kilos> lemme go do some fencing for a while
[09:37] <Private_User> good day people
[09:37] <Private_User> hi Kilos
[09:37] <Private_User> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[09:37] <Kilos> hi Private_User
[09:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo
[09:38] <Private_User> ThatGraemeGuy: nope, you on oh shucks its schuster
[09:38] <Private_User> LOL
[09:39] <Kilos> haha
[09:53] <Kilos> hmm all the electricity under the sun and now spotlights
[09:53] <Kilos> no
[09:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> eh?
[09:55] <Kilos> i mean superglow things and torches only
[09:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> you really want to wire up every little light to an electrical supply when you're off mining?
[09:56] <Kilos> should have chargable headlamps for miners and neon lights
[09:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> technic has a rechargeable flashlight but it's said to be buggy and thus disabled by default
[09:57] <Kilos> lol when im by lava i forget to put torches up then the water makes obsidian and im in the dark and top to high to put torches
[09:57] <Kilos> ah
[09:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh yeah
[09:57] <Kilos> lava is my biggest chore after crafting upgrades
[09:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> i got into the habit of placing torches around lava before i water it
[09:58] <Kilos> thats a good thing to remember
[09:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> but nowadays i don't bother with watering lava, i just find my way around it
[09:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> obsidian is too much work and has no value at all
[09:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> there should at least be some use to it, to make the effort of mining it worthwhile
[10:00] <Kilos> ya but its lekker to block off the source though because there is lots of ore below where it used to flow
[10:00] <Kilos> obsidian glass is used in some things
[10:00] <mazal> I've mostly just found creative stuff that need some of it , like example obsidian glass and glass doors
[10:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> lava lakes used to be nice because there's typically a lot of good ore visible around it, but with the mining laser even that's irrelevant, i can mine a huge amount of stuff with minimal effort
[10:01] <Kilos> i must still try the drill. the lazer works well but it doesnt cut a clean straight path for me maybe my hand and eye not steady enough
[10:01] <mazal> ThatGraemeGuy, do you know what the "upgrade" slots is for on some electric stuff like some machines and battery boxes and what must be put in there ?
[10:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: it actually fires in a perfectly straight line, your aim is the issue
[10:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> thats why i settled on the method i use now
[10:02] <Kilos> yeah
[10:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> mazal: not sure about battery boxes.... maybe increases the charge it can hold?
[10:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> for machines, from what i understand its mean to make it less power hungry
[10:03] <mazal> You think normal RE batteries goes in there ?
[10:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> haven't read the code to confirm
[10:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> correct
[10:03] <mazal> Will play around with that
[10:04] <Kilos> oh that will be good to know
[10:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> mazal: easiest way is use 1 machine, check what the switchng station reports the load as
[10:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> then add 1 battery, see how it changed the load
[10:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> then the second battery again
[10:06] <mazal> I wonder of those batteries then can run out of life and in turn must be recharged
[10:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> i think recharging is implied by the fact that it is on a power network
[10:07] <mazal> So it should actually recharge by itself
[10:08] <mazal> Defnitely gonna play around with that RE batteries is quick and easy craft and if it helps the network will be worth it
[10:14] <nuvolari> great.  SImilar to fotor for windows
[11:08] <Kilos> hi bertus
[11:15] <Spekko> more Kilos
[11:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> mazal: putting rechargeable batteries in your MV machines seems to be a no-brainer
[11:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> power demand numbers for MV machines with 0/1/2 batteries in upgrade slots...
[11:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> alloy furnace 3000/2000/1000
[11:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> furnace 2000/1000/500
[11:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> grinder 600/450/300
[11:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> compressor+extractor 800/600/400
[11:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> so 1 of each is 7200EU load if they are all in use
[11:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> vs 2600EU with each having 2 batteries
[11:43] <mazal> Wow that is a bigger difference than I expected it would be
[11:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah
[11:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> and re batteries are basically wood, copper & tin
[11:44] <Kilos> sjoe ThatGraemeGuy nust the reactor have 4 layers of concrete under it too and then 2 layers of blast resistant concrete under that as well
[11:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> i.e. cheap and esay
[11:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: no, you just read it wrong
[11:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> i have all we need besides a location
[11:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> if you or superfly have suggestions i'm all ears
[11:48] <Kilos> look in map and see whats available centrally to houses .
[11:49] <Kilos> and or other ventures you have like the pyramid
[11:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> well its you, me and superfly that will use it, nobody else really plays anymore
[11:50] <Kilos> yes mazals house is inetpro and son
[11:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> ah ok
[11:50] <Kilos> they helped with chromium so would be good to add them if possible
[11:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> yes sure
[11:51] <Kilos> they did most of the mining there in the deep where the pad is
[11:51] <Kilos> i was trying to make power stuff
[11:52] <Kilos> some of these power things are weird, connect top bottom or sides varies some i think
[11:53] <Kilos> once reactor up each oke can do his own cabling i think
[11:53] <Kilos> 20 ks of hv cable
[11:53] <Kilos> whew
[11:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> mmm yes
[11:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> need to make more cable, didnt consider that
[11:58] <Kilos> oh ThatGraemeGuy what did i read wrong?
[12:05] <Kilos> oh with the stanles layers too
[12:05] <Kilos> but surely same ubderneeth as surrounding the core
[12:07] <Kilos> sjoe and water
[12:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> its a cube
[12:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> reactor in the centre, then water, stainless steel, blast-resistant concrete and then concrete
[12:08] <Kilos> with water surrounding core except for cable?
[12:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> the outer concrete layer seems to have been made optional recently, but i think you can get radiation damage without it
[12:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> yes
[12:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'll show you later
[12:09] <Kilos> ill try it with cable out the side of core
[12:10] <Kilos> just takes me long putting so many blocks down and falling off hehe
[12:32] <charl> http://mybroadband.co.za/news/smartphones/106988-apple-iphone-ipad-surprise-in-south-africa.html
[12:33] <charl> BlackBerry remains the most used smartphone in South Africa, with 2.9 million devices. However, this number is declining rapidly.
[12:33] <charl> seriously ?! blackberry ?!
[12:33] <charl> i thought they closed down
[12:35] <mazal> Bye everyone , have a nice evening
[12:36] <Kilos> you too mazal
[12:36] <Kilos> too many peeps think bb is an image fone so buy them regardless
[12:38] <charl> very strange
[12:38] <charl> if you buy a bb here you will probably end up getting laughed out
[12:39] <charl> "nobody uses that anymore, what are you, ten years behind the time"
[12:39] <Kilos> lol
[12:39] <charl> what types of apps are there for bb, probably very few
[12:40] <Kilos> ?
[12:40] <Kilos> im not a fancy cell person
[12:40] <charl> me neither, i don't even have a mobile
[12:42] <Kilos> oh they are handy for contact from wherever
[12:51] <charl> hmmm coreos looks promising
[12:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: as far as i understand having the cable come out of the side ought to work as well
[12:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> try it out and see
[12:52] <Kilos> yip so they say. it will save a bit of cable
[12:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> heh
[12:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> if you say so
[12:53] <Kilos> i gotta rebuilt left out some layers of stuff
[12:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> me i prefer to run it out of the bottom and have a cable tunnel
[12:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> don't want cable lying all over above ground
[12:53] <Kilos> ooo that sounds goo too
[12:54] <Kilos> then there must be a tunnel to each house?
[12:54] <Kilos> good
[12:54] <Kilos> all at different levels
[12:54] <Kilos> sjoe
[12:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> i managed to tunnel to the pyramid from my basement, i'm sure a cable tunnel is hardly a challenge :)
[12:55] <Kilos> rofl ya you did a good job there, im impressed
[12:56] <Kilos> the mark3 drill removes only one block at a time like a pick
[12:56] <Kilos> in creative mode, yours removes 4 blocks
[12:56] <Kilos> or is that technique
[12:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> i don't understand you just said 2 comflicting things
[12:57] <Kilos> oi
[12:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> only removes 1 block and removes 4 at a time, which is it?
[12:58] <Kilos> yours in the game when i watched you removed 4 and mine in creative removes 1
[12:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> it has different modes, you shift-click it
[12:58] <Kilos> oh ty
[12:58] <Kilos> i must go back to school and get my dads money back
[12:59] <Kilos> they taught me nothing
[12:59] <Kilos> lol i think it was like R2 a term
[13:01] <Kilos> hahaha sis says 25c a month for 3 of us
[13:05] <Trixar_za> Hey Kilos
[13:06] <Trixar_za> 8ta is running a deal right now - if you buy 500MB for R69, they give you an extra 500MB the next day (so 1GB total)
[13:06] <Trixar_za> Only they messed up and gave me 250MB too
[13:06] <Trixar_za> :P
[13:06] <Trixar_za> So go get it
[13:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos:  http://mt.donaldson.za.net/temp.png
[13:07] <Trixar_za> It only lasts until before the 30th though
[13:07] <Kilos> im hoping ian will get me airtime today R150
[13:08] <Trixar_za> ThatGraemeGuy: What's that?
[13:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: build it in the green area just slightly to the left of the centre of that pic?
[13:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> Trixar_za: map of a section of our minetest world
[13:09] <Trixar_za> Nice
[13:09]  * ThatGraemeGuy pings superfly
[13:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> repeatedly
[13:12] <Kilos> oh no man ThatGraemeGuy im doing it in creative single player
[13:12] <Kilos> oh i didnt see the ?
[13:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> no i'm not saying you must built it, i'm asking if you think that's a good place for it
[13:12] <Kilos> the fly is afk
[13:15] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy, where is your pyramid
[13:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> far from us
[13:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> it needs to be central to people's houses not random far locations
[13:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> you can teleport home to charge stuff
[13:17] <Kilos> ok there is a road that makes a kink left and right on the small road from me to you guys
[13:18] <Kilos> 2 yellow articles show in the kink, is it about there you say?
[13:18] <Kilos> ya porting is lekker
[13:20] <Kilos> where my black road has rails the first branch to the right leads to the kink
[13:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> eh
[13:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> not following
[13:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> approximate co-ordinates?
[13:21] <Kilos> 140 and -60
[13:23] <Kilos> -68 about
[13:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> right by barry's place?
[13:23] <Kilos> oh is that where that is?
[13:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> never mind
[13:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> will check tonight, busy again
[13:24] <Kilos> ok
[13:50] <charl> ah large parts of NL is flooding
[13:50] <charl> and here where i am still sunshine
[13:51] <charl> bbl
[13:51] <charl> need to go home before it comes over here
[13:51] <Kilos> ai!
[14:10] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy, can one put the core in safely and then carry on building the rest of the cube? and then how do you put rods in?
[14:11] <Kilos> and where do you put them in anyway
[14:14] <Kilos> as in when does it go active?
[14:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> right-click it, just like anything else that takes fuel
[14:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> i think it only becomes active if its connected to a power network properly
[14:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> and then if the housing is wrong it melts down
[14:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> i am almost done in creative mode
[14:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> want to test the area protection mod to see if a non-owner can still place fuel in it
[14:18] <Kilos> ok
[14:19] <Kilos> ive rebuilt twice because i either used wrong blocks or left some out
[14:19] <Kilos> twit
[14:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> urgh
[14:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> so with the area protected, only the owner of the protected area can add fuel
[14:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> that sucks
[14:20] <Kilos> ah it says it has no network
[14:20] <Kilos> now to surround it with water
[14:21] <Kilos> dunno how you gonna right click it when its all closed in
[14:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> you leave a manhold like it said
[14:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> manhole even
[14:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> ok so the fuel thing is a slight hassle
[14:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> but we can put a chest next to it for people to leave fuel in and then every now and then i just put fuel in the core
[14:42] <Kilos> ya will have to send koos to recharge
[14:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> rather that than risk accidental damage causing meltdown
[14:42] <Kilos> oh you mean with permissions
[14:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> very expensive to build this thing
[14:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> yea
[14:42] <Kilos> thats fine just no long holidays for you
[14:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> you can check it out on the creative server if you want
[14:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> thing is 6 fuel lasts a week
[14:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> and you can put up to 99 in each of the 6 slots
[14:43] <Kilos> not atm im waiting for data
[14:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> so just keep adding as we have it
[14:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> eventually we should have months' worth
[14:43] <Kilos> thats good
[14:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> cool i'm going to make it meltdown
[14:43] <Kilos> eish
[14:44] <Kilos> what output did it give you?
[14:44] <Kilos> before you blow it
[14:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> 100,000EU
[14:44] <Kilos> thats good hey
[14:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> yes
[14:45] <Kilos> whew
[14:45] <Kilos> run a city with that about
[14:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> i have 5 hv solar arrays which were already pretty expensive to make, and they only make 25,000
[14:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> and then only during less than half a minetest day
[14:45] <Kilos> yeah
[14:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> only start producing a little after sunrise, and stop a little before sunset
[14:46] <Kilos> nuke is the way to go
[14:46] <Kilos> once home connected ill take my solar stuff to the deep
[14:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> um
[14:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> you do realise solar means it needs sunlight
[14:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> and there isn't much of that at -4500
[14:58] <Kilos> yip but it can help keep batteries full
[14:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> um
[14:58] <Kilos> lotsa cable
[14:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> maybe i'm not clear
[14:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> solar panels do not work underground
[14:58] <Kilos> solar up top
[14:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> LOL
[14:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> you want to lay 4500 cables?
[14:59] <Kilos> 5 ks of cable
[14:59] <Kilos> i think im at 4800 or close
[14:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> ok just take some time to realiase how much resources you need for that
[14:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> copper paper rubber whatever goes into cables i can't recall now
[14:59] <Kilos> too much
[15:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> a little
[15:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> not to mention it would take you days to even place that much cable
[15:00] <Kilos> yeah
[15:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> and you have torches in the mineshaft what would stop you
[15:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> so every time there's a torch you have to remove it
[15:00] <Kilos> yeah that too
[15:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> and place a glow glass in a hole in the wall
[15:01] <Kilos> that could be imbedded superglows
[15:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> so yeah, i'll see you in 2016 when you're done
[15:01] <Kilos> hahaha
[15:01] <Kilos> maybe ill just mine somewhere else
[15:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> i played with the HV quarry in creative mode
[15:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> its super cool
[15:01] <Kilos> but its not bad if coal keeps coming in
[15:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> lol
[15:02] <Kilos> what is the quarry
[15:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> i really don't think you understand how deep -4800 is
[15:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> remember before teleporting and before fast mode
[15:02] <Kilos> i do ive been digging there since i started playing
[15:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> it would take 20 minutes just to go down to --3000
[15:02] <Kilos> yes?
[15:03] <Kilos> ya
[15:03] <Kilos> eina
[15:03] <Kilos> i did it often as well
[15:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> now imagine you aren't just climbing straight down you have to sotop at every block to place a cable
[15:03] <Kilos> didnt go fast and didnt have wrench for full chests or niks
[15:03] <SilverCode> does anyone know of any tools that ping a host every X seconds and log the results to a file, and then if it sees a ping take more than Y seconds, it does a tracert to the host and logs that?
[15:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> it will take you a month
[15:03] <Kilos> thats why bart joined
[15:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> well
[15:04] <Kilos> sec sil
[15:04] <Kilos> mtr
[15:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> i am clearly not clear enough, so good luck with your cabling
[15:04] <SilverCode> trying to figure out if my ISP to to blame for lag spikes, or my exchange
[15:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> SilverCode: 10 minutes of bash scripting will get you that ;-)
[15:05] <Kilos> mtr -i2 -s0 -n <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:05] <Kilos> time ping -i2 -s0 -c10 <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: if you have a sec check the other server on port 30001 you can see how cool the quarry is
[15:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> you put it down and it has a face with a pick. turn it with the screwdriver if you want and then it digs in that direction
[15:06] <Kilos> as soon as ian comes online with data ill be there or after 11pm
[15:06] <Kilos> last 2 days were 400+ a day
[15:06] <Kilos> oh my
[15:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> you set a radius, default 4, then it digs a square in the direction of the pick (radius x 2) +1 blocks
[15:06] <SilverCode> ThatGraemeGuy: 10 minutes of bash scripting will send me a path of 3 days of programming
[15:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> so radius 4 it digs a 9x9 square
[15:07] <SilverCode> first 10 minutes trying to do it in bash
[15:07] <SilverCode> next 24 hours trying to do it in C++
[15:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> and it digs to a depth of 100 below the level of the quarry
[15:07] <Kilos> wow
[15:07] <SilverCode> last 48 hours doing it in PHP
[15:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> SilverCode: eh ok
[15:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> most of us don't overengineer to that degree
[15:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'd never get any work done
[15:08] <SilverCode> As a programmer, it is my responsibility to overengineer things
[15:09] <Kilos> oh you actually want to make the tool from  scratch
[15:09] <SilverCode> if we stopped overengineering things, we would be be releasing software every 2nd day and people would stop paying us lots of money
[15:09] <Kilos> sjoe
[15:09] <SilverCode> Kilos: no, I don't, but as a programmer, no other tool is ever good enough, and "I'm sure I can do it better"
[15:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> remind me never to hire you then :-)
[15:10] <Kilos> sjoe
[15:10] <Kilos> commands so much easier
[15:10] <ThatGraemeGuy> it isn't programmers that think like that, its perfectionists :-)
[15:11] <SilverCode> true
[15:11] <SilverCode> but being a perfectionist is what gets most people into programming
[15:11] <Kilos> im gonna connect a switch to reaktor and see what happens
[15:11] <SilverCode> "This sucks, I'm sure it can be done better" ... and a new programmer is born
[15:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> i guess we'll have to agree to disagree
[15:12] <Kilos> eish, in the top it says no network
[15:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> ciao ciao all
[15:12] <Kilos> go safe ThatGraemeGuy
[15:15] <Squirm> hello
[15:15] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[16:39] <superfly> Ohi
[16:40] <Kilos> hi there superfly graeme wants to know where you think the best location for the reactor is
[16:41] <superfly> We chatted a little earlier
[16:42] <Kilos> ah
[16:44] <superfly> ThatGraemeGuy: as a developer, I agree with you.
[16:49] <Gremble> o/
[16:50] <Kilos> hi Gremble
[17:28] <bertus> hey guys
[17:28] <bertus> what are some great ubuntu/linux mint help websites?
[17:29] <bertus> I already use the following: http://www.webupd8.org/ http://www.noobslab.com/ http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/
[17:33] <bertus> hey guys
[17:34] <Kilos> ty bertus
[17:36] <bertus> hey kilos how are you bro?
[17:36] <bertus> still rocking the ubuntu?
[17:36] <Kilos> lol too old to be a bro
[17:36] <inetpro> good evening
[17:36] <bertus> cool
[17:36] <Kilos> always rocking on ubuntu
[17:36] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[17:36] <bertus> version? what flavour?
[17:37] <Kilos> 14.04 unity and kde
[17:39] <Kilos> bertus, have you tried kubuntu
[17:39] <Kilos> the clever guys use kde
[17:39] <Kilos> i use it because i was forced
[17:40] <bertus> yes I don't like kde
[17:40] <bertus> have not tried plasma 5
[17:40] <bertus> Has anyone? Is it good?
[17:40] <bertus> I tried arch, last week! wow that's a bit crazy
[17:41] <bertus> now running linux mint cinnamon edition x64
[17:41] <Kilos> thats for linux geeks
[17:42] <bertus> yep the arch user repository is insane good/bad
[17:48] <bertus> http://dl.fullcirclemagazine.org/issue87_en.pdf
[17:48] <bertus> check this latest one out guys
[18:10] <bertus> are you using kde kilos?
[18:11] <Kilos> atm unity, but i run kde on another drive in this pc and choose at boot which one for the day
[18:11] <Kilos> kde takes getting used to but once you settle in it very lekker
[18:12] <bertus> okay I see, what is the best in your opinion?
[18:12] <bertus> i have tried kde but need to learn more about it
[18:54] <Kilos> kde takes getting used to because everything is different but once you know it it rocks
[19:25] <Gremble> I want to use bspwm. But you need a 3 year diploma to get that set up
[19:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo
[20:05] <Kilos> uh oh ThatGraemeGuy server siek?
[20:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> no
[20:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> had a hiccup it seems, i just reconnected
[20:06] <Kilos> aha
[20:06] <Kilos> ty
[20:06] <Kilos> where are you?
[20:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> at home
[20:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> :P
[20:06] <Kilos> working on power?
[20:07] <Kilos> lol
[20:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> no, i got caught up in creative and discussing nuclear reactor design in #minetest-technic
[20:11] <Kilos> aha i built mine put cores and cables but it dont boot
[20:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'm laser mining
[20:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> no network?
[20:11] <Kilos> no supply
[20:11] <Kilos> supply 0
[20:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> what does the reactor core say when you mouse over it?
[20:12] <Kilos> but i been online then it stopped working so i restartyed now
[20:12] <Kilos> it says core i think
[20:12] <Kilos> right click lets me see cores rods
[20:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> well
[20:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> it does work, so you must have wired something wrong
[20:14] <Kilos> ive tried cable out top and side of reactor into all sides of switch
[20:15] <Kilos> its same as a generator without coal
[20:18] <Kilos> something wrong ThatGraemeGuy peeks look like green spooks now
[20:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> night night all
[20:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> eh?
[20:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> take a screenshot
[20:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> does the game play ok? if so then ignore
[20:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> if not, exit, reconnect
[20:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> same old same old
[20:19] <Kilos> it seems to sec for screenshot
[20:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> night night!
[20:20] <Kilos> ok night'
[22:48] <Kilos> sjoe night guys. sleep tight


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