[07:19] <ara> good morning all
[07:27] <thekorn> good morning ara
[07:28] <ara> morning thekorn!
[08:41]  * ara reboots
[13:37] <davmor2> morning fader_
[13:37] <fader_> Howdy davmor2 and everybody
[13:38] <davmor2> fader_: how's things stateside
[13:39] <fader_> davmor2: A bit cold, but at least my corner of the country didn't get anything like the snow we were promised
[13:39] <fader_> How's Wolverhampton?
[13:39] <davmor2> fader_: No that'll be along today dude :)
[13:40] <davmor2> wolves got a dusting lasting night looks all xmassy
[13:40] <fader_> Heh
[14:39] <dqueer> PLS tell me somebody how to login liveCD lucid?
[14:41] <davmor2> dqueer: user ubuntu no password
[14:43] <dqueer> Thanks
[14:43] <davmor2> dqueer: you should need to do that though so file a bug
[14:50] <davmor2> shouldn't even
[14:50] <davmor2> cr3: morning dude
[14:51] <cr3> davmor2: hey dude, how's life in isd?
[14:51] <davmor2> busy but fun
[15:20] <alexmoldovan> hello nagappan, i've heard you have the same problem with X when hitting ENTER
[15:23] <cr3> alexmoldovan: you might have to wait a bit for an answer because he's on the west coast, but he'll be around eventually
[15:27] <ara> cr3, alexmoldovan: what problem is that?
[15:29] <davmor2> alexmoldovan: that issue for me got fixed by todays kernel update.
[15:29] <alexmoldovan> i found that on some ATI and Nvidia models, hitting enter in the terminal blocks the system
[15:30] <davmor2> ara: it happened on login, if you hit enter at anytime on the desktop eg trigger update-manager type in your pass and hit enter, and so on
[15:30] <fader_> I thought that was a feature, to keep you from wasting too much time on your computer
[15:31] <davmor2> no danger there for you then dude ;)
[15:31] <persia> The workaround for the press-enter-to-freeze-the-machine-after-boot is to remove plymouth.
[15:31] <persia> But it ought get reinstalled later, because not having it can cause other issues.
[15:32] <fader_> persia: According to bug 516412 it's been fixed now
[15:32] <davmor2> persia: as I say todays update made it go away for me at least :)
[15:32] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 516412 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "Pressing <Enter> causes X to freeze (affects: 70) (dups: 16)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/516412
[15:32] <fader_> So you shouldn't even need to do that :)
[15:32] <persia> Oh good.
[15:33] <fader_> davmor2: You're able to upgrade cleanly today?  Update manager and apt-get are barfing on libgtk2 for me
[15:33] <fader_> Though my lucid machine is PPC, so I'm not entirely worried
[15:34] <davmor2> fader_: I did an install of 20100210 and then upgraded to the latest with no issues
[15:35] <fader_> Meh, I haven't updated my system in ~2 weeks, so I can wait another day to see if it gets fixed.
[15:35] <ara> I haven't had any issues, but I am using nvidia-driver-ppa
[15:35]  * fader_ really doesn't want to reinstall from scratch.
[15:41] <davmor2> fader_: out of curiosity what happens if you hit ctrl-alt-F1 login via the tty and then run apt-get/aptitude?
[15:42] <fader_> davmor2: I would assume the same thing that happens when I run it in a gnome-terminal:
[15:42] <fader_>  libgtk2.0-bin: Depends: libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.19.5-1ubuntu2~ppa1) but 2.19.4-1ubuntu1 is to be installed
[15:42] <fader_> Why would running it on a vt make any difference?
[15:43] <davmor2> fader_: ah sorry I thought you said that it was gtk causing it not to work, rather than it not being installable
[15:43] <fader_> davmor2: Ah, gotcha.  I could have been clearer there :)
[15:44] <davmor2> so I was thinking cut out gtk end of issue :)
[15:59] <ara> fader_, did you try this: http://q-funk.blogspot.com/2010/02/ubuntulucid-recovering-from-yesterdays.html
[15:59] <davmor2> ara: just finished reading that :)
[16:00] <fader_> ara: No, but I'll give it a shot.  I'm skeptical, as it's apt-get that's barfing rather than dpkg
[16:00] <fader_> It's entirely possible that it's a result of some ppa I've got turned on too -- I haven't really dug into it yet
[16:06] <davmor2> ara: I don't know that fader_ comes in here like he owns the joint waffles about problems he hasn't even looked at, and then has the nerve to whinge about them. :D
[16:06] <fader_> :P
[16:06] <fader_> davmor2: All I did was ask if today's update worked for you!
[16:06] <ara> :D
[16:06]  * fader_ storms off in a huff muttering about Wolverines or something.
[16:07] <davmor2> :D lol
[16:08] <Q-FUNK> alexmoldovan: I'm told that you work in the testing lab?  could you test a boot of Lucid on all the AMD Geode-based hardware you have on hand?  LTSP support on Lucid is at stake. possible regressions since Hardy.
[16:10] <fader_> Q-FUNK: What issue are you looking to reproduce?
[16:11] <Q-FUNK> fader_: two things: 1) on some LX800-based hardware I have, kernels since Karmic don't boot anymore.  there's a regression in the ACL code that makes the kernel crash loudly. I need to verify whether it affects only this platform or some other Geode-based products.
[16:11] <Q-FUNK> it could easily be a BIOS issue on this particular hardware vendor's platform.
[16:12] <fader_> Most of the stuff we have in the lab is Intel-based... I'll see if we have anything with an AMD Geode
[16:13] <Q-FUNK> 2) there seems to be regressions, possibly cause by recent changes in X server core that result in pixmap support being broken on xserver-xorg-video-geode.  again, I need to check whether this only affects this ION603, or all Geode-based products.
[16:13] <Q-FUNK> fader_: the thin clients you have are all geode-based.
[16:13] <fader_> Q-FUNK: Cool, I was just about to ask if you could narrow it down to a type of hardware, as I'm not familiar with Geode
[16:13] <Q-FUNK> some with a Geode GX, others with a Geode LX.  cr3 might remember which one has which.
[16:13]  * fader_ nods.
[16:14] <fader_> cr3: ^^^ off the top of your head do you remember if/where we have anything like this?
[16:14] <Q-FUNK> afaik you should have one ThinCan DBE61-PXE, plus a large collection of no-name products based on the old AMD reference designs.
[16:15] <Q-FUNK> I gave one dbe61 to cr3 in UDS Prague to keep as a reference in the lab.
[16:16] <Q-FUNK> you had some other Geode-based sample products from customers who had paid for certification.
[16:17] <fader_> Cool, should be a matter of just getting cr3 to take a look and tell us where they are :)
[16:17] <Q-FUNK> :)
[16:17] <fader_> He's promised device searching is coming so in the future we won't have to bug him to go scrape the db for us :D
[16:18] <Q-FUNK> smal black boxes the size of a small stack of CD, some of them in a small stand to keep them vertical on the desktop.
[16:19] <fader_> Unfortunately I'm not in Montreal so I can't look, but with that description maybe alexmoldovan can
[16:19] <fader_> alexmoldovan: ^^^
[16:19] <Q-FUNK> yes, hence why it had been suggested that alexmoldovan might be able to help.
[16:19] <fader_> Right :)
[16:19] <fader_> The description of the devices should help a great deal
[16:20] <cr3> alexmoldovan is currently in the lab, he should be in here shortly
[16:46] <alexmoldovan> I'm here
[16:49] <Q-FUNK> ah :)
[16:50] <alexmoldovan> so, what do you guys need...?
[16:53] <Q-FUNK> please scroll up
[16:57] <persia> Q-FUNK: Would you mind replacing your blog script with somethinng like "sudo sed -i 's#copy_exec /lib/udev/firmware.sh#copy_exec /lib/udev/firmware#' ?
[16:57] <persia> We try not to encourage users to run sudo against arbitrary download stuff.
[16:57]  * persia credits Rhonda with the snippet
[16:58] <Q-FUNK> I would. I don't condone anonymous arrogance.
[16:58] <persia> anonymous arrogance?
[16:59] <Q-FUNK> and this topic doesn't belong this this channel.
[17:00]  * persia only mentioned it because of backscroll 60 minutes ago referencing the post
[17:00] <persia> Q-FUNK: Ah, sorry.  That was 7 minutes before your join.  My apologies for confusion.
[17:03] <Q-FUNK> persia: just that the tone of whichever anonymous coward who posted that snipet as a comment on my blog was totally uncalled for.  the snipet itself is fine.
[17:03] <persia> Q-FUNK: Makes perfect sense.
[17:04] <Q-FUNK> besides, the above substitution could probably be made shorter.
[17:04] <Q-FUNK> but again, it's off-topic for this channel, IMHO.
[17:04] <persia> Indeed.  I just did `sed -i s/ware.sh/ware/` myself, although that's probably technically less correct.
[17:05] <persia> And fixed so that the current recommendation is `apt-get dist-upgrade` :)
[17:09] <alexmoldovan> Q-FUNK: we have 4 small thin clients here in Montreal. 2 with geode, the other 2 i don't know
[17:12] <Q-FUNK> I didn't dare put apt-get dist-upgrade or aptitude full-upgrade.  it can easily remove too much stuff, especially when packages are constantly in transition.
[17:12] <persia> True, but I'm even more inclined to agree with you that we're drifting from topic : for a friendly suggestion, that's fine, but for a debate, I think it's not worth it :)
[17:13] <Q-FUNK> indeed
[17:15] <Q-FUNK> alexmoldovan: IIRc all the thin clients you have in MTL have a geode.
[17:16] <Q-FUNK> differnet geode generations but all geodes anyhow
[17:16] <alexmoldovan> ok
[17:16] <alexmoldovan> I'll see what i can do
[17:16] <Q-FUNK> thanks!
[19:19] <nagappan> alexmoldovan, yes :)
[19:20] <nagappan> alexmoldovan, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/519505
[19:20] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 519505 in xserver-xorg-video-nv (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Pressing Enter or using sudo command with NVidia driver hangs / reboots the system (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New]
[19:20] <nagappan> thanks cr3 :)
[20:15] <alexmoldovan> right, I'm on the machine


[01:55] <Darkwing> rbelem:  ping
[02:10] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: bug 989915 ... if Qt is built with icu it will try to use it for unicode stuffs
[02:10] <apachelogger> so at best it should be a recommends
[02:10] <apachelogger> also it has absolutely nothing to do with the reported bug as Qt will simply use the builtin unicode tables
[02:11] <apachelogger> also if I am not mistaken ICU will be used for more locale stuff in Qt 5
[02:11] <apachelogger> not that it matters ^^
[02:12] <apachelogger> ah, nvm, has something to do with the report ^^
[02:12] <apachelogger> except it certainly aint an error ^^
[02:12] <apachelogger> so, either recommends or suggests or wontfix
[02:13]  * apachelogger would favor suggests or wontfix to keep it leightweight which is particularly beneficial for apps like murmur
[02:13] <apachelogger> so it might just as well be wontfix as suggests makes no difference :P
[02:13] <apachelogger> anyhow
[02:13] <apachelogger> nights
[02:22] <valorie> sweet dreams to the apachelogger
[03:44] <Linkmaster> question about the jump from 11.10 to 12.04: I noticed in liveCD's and a couple installs on my friends computers that there is now no longer the ability to install theme files locally. e.g., in the desktop theme, 11.10 there's an option to 'install theme', however, there is no such option in 12.04(only allowing to look at the theme section). This is nice to prevent confusion, but quite often, a lot of the themes are found via downloading
[03:44] <Linkmaster>  from kde-look, etc. etc. Was this intentional, or an overlook?
[09:10] <bulldog98> !find FindKDEGames.cmake
[10:25] <Mamarok> claydoh: I send a last warning to that new guy on the kubuntu-users-list, including the same again in German, that is the last warning from me, if he refuses to stick to it I will remove him
[10:27]  * apachelogger looks up drama
[10:29] <Mamarok> apachelogger: you will know immediately who I am talking about
[10:30] <apachelogger> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
[10:30] <apachelogger> Mamarok: the html fanboi?
[10:31] <apachelogger> sweet baby jesus
[10:32] <apachelogger> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2012-May/056461.html
[10:32] <Mamarok> not only HMTL, also not formatting his mail to make them readable and top-posting (the latter he apparently can) and yes, confusing a technical mailing list with a religious discussion list
[10:32] <apachelogger> that mail
[10:32] <apachelogger> is all that in one place
[10:35] <apachelogger> truth be told that is rather boring though ... something like a right wing guy insulting people or calling them cheap socialist bstds for using floss would have been more enjoyable :P
[10:35] <Mamarok> wait, he only just joined and already starts writing to one guy only and increasingly mixes religion into it, that is a no-go
[10:36] <Mamarok> there are enough religion-themed mailing lists out there, ours is definitely not the place for that
[10:36] <apachelogger> yeah, no question he is misbehaving
[10:36] <apachelogger> but I was hoping for something more ^^
[10:36] <Mamarok> and we already sent him PM to ask him to improve
[10:37] <Mamarok> today I sent the 3rd, after that I will simply remove him
[10:37] <apachelogger> +
[12:43] <apachelogger> anyone got time for a SRU?
[12:50] <CIA-122> [kubuntu-default-settings] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* debian/changelog Since plymouth has no epoch this is a no-brainer (LP: #1005512)
[12:53] <CIA-122> [kubuntu-default-settings] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* (2 files in 2 dirs) Set name of our default Plasma activity to desktop. This does not introduce a new string as Desktop is also the name upstream uses, so localization is already present (LP: #1004917)
[13:43] <Mamarok> oh my, I did it...
[13:50] <CIA-122> [kubuntu-default-settings] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* (2 files in 2 dirs) * Set battery and wireless plasma widget key bindings (opening power management and networkmanagement respectively) * Refactor keybinding code in plasma default layout to be reusable and scale better for future endeavors
[14:02] <apachelogger> opinions on bug 820175 anyone?
[14:19] <apachelogger> oh gawd
[14:19] <apachelogger> I just lost applications due to activities
[14:19] <apachelogger> great
[14:19] <apachelogger> \o/
[14:24] <Ezim> is it only for me or is the boot-up speed better in 12.04 then 11.10?
[14:24] <Ezim> must be combo of upstart and new kde-release... of course kubuntu teams magic
[14:48] <apachelogger> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=300759
[14:48] <apachelogger> ....
[14:48] <apachelogger> one dialog as wrong as they come
[14:49] <Ezim> apachelogger, do you mean krunner?
[14:49] <apachelogger> no, I mean plasma activities' application autoluncher
[14:49] <Ezim> apachelogger, I see.. sorry
[14:51] <Ezim> is there known bug in 12.04 when pressing on updating notificier the middle of the screen goes black?
[14:52] <apachelogger> bug 993672
[14:52] <apachelogger> too much text without linebreaks and Qt refuses to paint it, leading to the black window
[14:53] <Ezim> apachelogger, so is there any patch for it coming to 12.04?
[14:55] <apachelogger> that's what the bug says, no?
[14:56] <Ezim> oki
[15:11] <Mamarok> apachelogger: would it be asking too much to set bug versions in Plasma?
[15:12] <BluesKaj> hey all
[15:13] <Mamarok> apachelogger: you are ruining my efforts... /me goes crying in a corner
[15:14] <apachelogger> Mamarok: I dids
[15:14] <Mamarok> not for all, see the messages you jsut got
[15:14] <Mamarok> and there is a version field when you submit it, then you don't have to come back
[15:14] <apachelogger> Mamarok: see #kde-sysadmin
[15:15] <Mamarok> crap
[15:20] <apachelogger> Mamarok: FWIW, the ones I set the version on are the ones where I noticed it being unspecified and was unsure about having defined it ^^
[15:21] <Mamarok> OK. But what is wrong with toma: everytime I tell the facts (cause these are facts) he dismisses it a assumptions. I was right each time
[15:22] <Mamarok> and it is ruining my effort, it's not like I didn't triage about a thousand plasma bugs to set versions...
[15:23] <apachelogger> Mamarok: he is in a bad mood it seems
[15:23] <Mamarok> he is ALWAYS in a bad mood
[15:23] <Mamarok> I have never seen him otherwise, at lest not to me
[15:25] <Mamarok> and "file a bug report" is like forgetting about it if you don't point the responsible people on it on IRC
[15:26] <Mamarok> at least for b.k.o bugs. Those that were solved I had to specifically ask them to
[16:18] <debfx> ScottK: could you please have a look at bug #997826
[16:52] <Treora> Good day, I have a short question: I run Kubuntu, and want to start hacking KDE; do I now have to install whole KDE again from sources, or can I just get some headers to use the already installed KDE version?
[16:53] <Treora> Even just for starting with a simple "Hello World" KDE/Qt program, I get the impression that I need to install the complete KDE sources.
[17:19] <JontheEchidna> Treora: there are development headers for the various parts of KDE. The most basic one is a package called kdelibs5-dev
[17:19] <JontheEchidna> which should be enough for a hello world type app
[18:07] <Mamarok> Treora: you can also install kdevelop, that should drag in the necessary libraries
[18:10] <Mamarok> Treora: also have a look here: http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started and here: http://flossmanuals.net/kde-guide/
[18:30] <Darkwing> rbelem: ping
[18:30] <rbelem> Darkwing, pong
[18:30] <Darkwing> rbelem: you were looking for me the other day?
[18:30] <rbelem> Darkwing, :-)
[18:30] <rbelem> Darkwing, yup
[18:30] <Darkwing> rbelem: You got an image yet?
[18:30] <rbelem> Darkwing, yeah... but video
[18:30] <Darkwing> What's up with the video?
[18:31] <rbelem> Darkwing, it just outputs to hdmi
[18:31] <rbelem> Darkwing, i found that link that points to the code the redirect the video to the lcd
[18:32] <Darkwing> rbelem: here is an updated ICS for them... Maybe there is something in the kernal or, source we can use... https://github.com/allwinner-ics
[18:32] <Darkwing> rbelem: you tried it?
[18:33] <rbelem> Darkwing, but i would not like to spend too much time with hardware setup. i would like to focus on kubuntu-active
[18:33] <rbelem> Darkwing, nice
[18:33] <Darkwing> rbelem: Okay, I'll do some digging into the HDW setup. Can you send me the links that you found?
[18:33] <rbelem> Darkwing, yup
[18:34] <Darkwing> david.wonderly @ kubuntu . org
[18:34] <Darkwing> thanks rbelem
[18:34] <Darkwing> my new server is almost up :D
[18:35] <Darkwing> dual core 3.4ghz with 2GB ram and a TB HD for personal server stuff.
[18:36] <rbelem> Darkwing,http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/04/28/how-to-create-your-own-debian-ubuntu-image-for-mele-a1000-allwinner-a10-based-stb/
[18:36] <rbelem> Darkwing, :-D
[18:36] <Darkwing> rbelem: ohhhhh YAY!
[18:37] <Darkwing> I'll have this running soon. :D
[18:38] <rbelem> Darkwing, i already have an image with kubuntu active. the problem is just the video :-(
[18:38] <Darkwing> rbelem: you have the source for that image?
[18:38] <Darkwing> uploaded somewhere?
[18:38] <rbelem> Darkwing, if you want.. i can upload it to my server
[18:39] <Darkwing> rbelem: Sweet. Then I can just wget pull it and work on that.
[18:39] <rbelem> Darkwing, you can play with this old image http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/a10_image/
[18:40] <rbelem> for now
[18:40] <Darkwing> rbelem: I'll use that for now :D
[18:40] <Darkwing> rbelem: you keep working on active and I'll get this running on the tablet.
[18:40] <Darkwing> :D :D
[18:41] <rbelem> Darkwing, you will need a mini hdmi to see the output
[18:42] <Darkwing> rbelem: Got one.
[18:42] <Darkwing> I think.
[18:42] <rbelem> Darkwing, nice :-0
[18:42] <rbelem> oops
[18:42] <rbelem> :-)
[18:42] <Darkwing> I'll BRB


[01:16] <Lando-SpacePimp> Wut
[01:20] <Scunizi> I'm trying to locate the installed location of argyll from the repos.. Any ideas?
[01:23] <varuna> how do u join other channels
[01:26] <Unit193> /join #kubuntu-offtopic  for example.
[01:27] <Scunizi> dpkg -L argyll
[01:27] <endernyash> Hi
[01:27] <endernyash> Somebody can help me?
[01:29] <drleviathan> endernyash, you must first state your problem.
[01:37] <endernyash> how can I install graphics card drivers?
[01:43] <jan-olof> what graphic card you have?
[01:43] <endernyash> GT 440
[01:48] <jan-olof> system settings / additional drivers
[04:28] <AussieFello> hello all. i have a question... if a driver is included in say kubuntu 3.4, will the said driver exist in the following releases of kernel?
[05:01] <AussieFello> i have a question...
[05:01] <AussieFello> i was wondering if it's possible to have 3 or 4 linux distro's on the one hard drive? will grub let me boot into more than 2 OS's?
[06:19] <valorie> AussieFello: yes, you can put as many on there as you can fit
[06:30] <AussieFello> valorie thanks mate
[06:30] <valorie> have fun!
[06:31] <valorie> AussieFello: if you are instead talking about different desktops, like: xubuntu-desktop, unity-desktop etc.
[06:31] <valorie> you can have as many as you can stand
[06:31] <valorie> lol
[06:33] <AussieFello> nice one mate
[06:33] <AussieFello> i appreciate your effort
[06:49] <AussieFello> errr. valorie.. are you saying that i cant install 3 or more OS's on a single harddrive???
[06:50] <valorie> sure
[06:50] <AussieFello> originally you said i could.. now you're saying it's desktops?
[06:50] <valorie> many people "dual boot" with a linux distro and windows for instance
[06:50] <AussieFello> but i want more than dual....
[06:50] <valorie> you're in kubuntu, therefore I brought up desktops
[06:51] <valorie> because one can install many desktops on top of Ubuntu base
[06:51] <valorie> KDE, GNOME, Xfce, and a few others
[06:51] <AussieFello> you know what i was asking
[06:52] <valorie> right, grub can deal with whatever you give it
[06:52] <AussieFello> ok then
[06:52] <AussieFello> cause you never heard people talk about tri-boot
[06:53] <valorie> yes, people do that
[06:53] <valorie> often it's easier to just install in a VM
[06:53] <valorie> but some do triple or quadruple boots
[07:56] <msaeed> hi all
[07:56] <AussieFello> :)
[07:57] <AussieFello> welcome here msaeed
[07:57] <msaeed> thanks sir
[09:06] <Graf_Westerholt> I am missing the kworldclock widget. Will it come back?
[09:07] <AussieFello> only you can answer that Graf_Westerholt
[09:07] <AussieFello> :)
[09:07] <Graf_Westerholt> AussieFello, I do not understand.
[09:08]  * AussieFello shrugs
[09:10] <Graf_Westerholt> And the Comic Strip widget is not working. :(
[09:10] <AussieFello> what version are you running Graf_Westerholt?
[09:11] <Graf_Westerholt> KDE Plasma 5.4.2, Kubuntu 15.10
[09:12] <AussieFello> you'd think it shouldnt be buggy considering its shipping with all systems :/ hrmm
[09:12] <AussieFello> how old is your hardware?
[09:13] <Graf_Westerholt> AussieFello, here is my hardware: http://www.sysprofile.de/id177503
[09:13] <valorie> Graf_Westerholt: some of the widgets are returning
[09:13] <Graf_Westerholt> valorie, do you know about the Comic Strip and kworldclock widget?
[09:13] <valorie> but the work now is mostly on preparing for Wayland
[09:14] <valorie> I don't know about those, no
[09:14] <AussieFello> the only thing i can think of is the dual monitor setup?
[09:15] <Graf_Westerholt> AussieFello, why should be dual monitor a problem with Comic Strip?
[09:15] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:15] <Graf_Westerholt> lordievader
[09:16] <lordievader> Hey Graf_Westerholt
[09:21] <Graf_Westerholt> Is Comic Strip widget working for you?
[09:22] <lordievader> Seems so.
[09:22] <lordievader> Don't really use it.
[09:23] <Graf_Westerholt> lordievader, does it show a comic strip when you set a comic?
[09:23] <lordievader> Yes.
[09:23] <Graf_Westerholt> Maybe the config file is brocken. Does someone know where it is?
[09:27] <Graf_Westerholt> I just found wordview on my Kubuntu. :D
[09:28] <AussieFello> what did you find?
[09:28] <AussieFello> i hope you fixed your problem
[09:28] <Graf_Westerholt> A programm called wordview.
[09:28] <Graf_Westerholt> I am trying to find the config file for the Comic Strip Widget.
[09:32] <AussieFello> why not uninsall and reinstall Graf_Westerholt?
[09:32] <valorie> most configs are now in ~/.config
[09:32] <Graf_Westerholt> AussieFello, I do not understand.
[09:32] <valorie> AussieFello: what would that do?
[09:33] <AussieFello> reset the config settings
[09:33] <valorie> very rare something like that is worthwhile
[09:33] <valorie> config settings are just text files
[09:33] <valorie> easily edited
[09:33] <AussieFello> ok good
[09:33] <AussieFello> :_)
[09:34] <valorie> uninstalling doesn't purge configs however -- one must --purge if you want to do that
[09:34] <Graf_Westerholt> valorie, I cannot finde something like comic in ~/.config
[09:34] <ubone> in .kde
[09:35] <valorie> since it's a plasma widget, I presume it will be in a plasma rc or so
[09:35] <valorie> ubone: not since 15.10
[09:35] <lordievader> Not since Plasma5 ;)
[09:35] <valorie> now we have ~/.local and ~/.config
[09:35] <ubone> ah ok im happy with kde4.13
[09:36] <valorie> the .kde stuff for unported applications still work
[09:36] <Graf_Westerholt> valorie, it seems to be that my kwallet is using an old config file.
[09:36] <valorie> if you have unported applications that need kwallet, yes
[09:36] <valorie> you'll have two
[09:36] <valorie> the old, and the new
[09:36] <Fritigern> Graf_Westerholt: The config for the Comic Strip widget can be found in ~/.local/share/plasma_engine_comic/
[09:37] <valorie> ah, sorry for leading you astray, Graf_Westerholt
[09:37] <Graf_Westerholt> valorie, no problem.
[09:37] <Graf_Westerholt> valorie, most you are a good help. :)
[09:37] <valorie> almost 2am, probably time to sleep!
[09:38] <Fritigern> Good idea. I'm off to bed too
[09:38] <AussieFello> how are you going to config that file?
[09:39] <Graf_Westerholt> Fritigern, i renamed this directory but Comic Strip still loads the setted comics.
[09:39] <Graf_Westerholt> So the config file must be somewhere else.
[09:40] <General_Martok> can somebody help me how to install my mouse drivers? I still loaded and depressed the tar.bz2
[09:40] <General_Martok> I'm new in kubuntu till yesterday
[09:41] <Graf_Westerholt> General_Martok, normally,you do not need to install mouse drivers.
[09:41] <General_Martok> my roccat savu has multiple options. They only fit with special drivers
[09:44] <General_Martok> http://sourceforge.net/projects/roccat/files/ there I loaded the roccat-tools but don't know how to install the unpacked folder
[09:46] <Graf_Westerholt> General_Martok, did you try to set actions for the mouse buttons with khotkeys?
[09:47] <Graf_Westerholt> General_Martok, you press ALT+F2 and enter khotkeys and press enter.
[09:51] <Graf_Westerholt> valorie, when I start KWalletManager, it shows me old passwords.
[10:03] <General_Martok> @Graf: No I didn't try. There are mouch further options like light colour etc. in my mouse. So I need the driver pack installed
[10:08] <lordievader> General_Martok: There seems to be an ppa available for it: https://launchpad.net/~berfenger/+archive/ubuntu/roccat
[10:09] <lordievader> No need to compile stuff, add the ppa and install the package.
[10:33] <Graf_Westerholt> When I set an e-mail signature from a file in KMail, it says “The signature file is not valid”. I used this file in Kubuntu 15.04 and it worked fine.
[10:35] <Graf_Westerholt> And why is everything in Kontact named “korganizer” in the title bar?
[10:36] <General_Martok> @lordievader: I'm new in linux and kubuntu. How can I install PPA? Thank you for your support yesterday (Guest 10010011)
[10:38] <lordievader> General_Martok: Open a terminal (Konsole): sudo apt-add-ppa ppa:berfenger/roccat&&sudo apt-get update&&sudo apt-get install roccat-tools
[10:40] <General_Martok> sudo: apt-add-ppa: Befehl nicht gefunden
[10:40] <General_Martok> It doesn't work
[10:41] <Graf_Westerholt> General_Martok, just copy the command.
[10:41] <Graf_Westerholt> General_Martok, you wrote it wrong.
[10:42] <General_Martok> I copied: sudo apt-add-ppa ppa:berfenger/roccat&&sudo apt-get update&&sudo apt-get install roccat-tools - and it doesn't work
[10:42] <Graf_Westerholt> General_Martok, right, I tested it and the command is not found.
[10:44] <Graf_Westerholt> General_Martok, try sudo add-apt-repository ppa:berfenger/roccat
[10:44] <Graf_Westerholt> General_Martok https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Paketquellen_freischalten/PPA#Kommandozeile
[10:47] <lordievader> Ah that was it...
[10:47] <lordievader> Long time ago...
[10:47] <Graf_Westerholt> lordievader :D
[10:48] <Graf_Westerholt> I wonder why General_Martok quitted.
[10:49] <Graf_Westerholt> wb General_Martok
[10:50] <General_Martok> thx, my System crashed
[10:50] <General_Martok> so i didn't saw your last messages
[10:51] <General_Martok> can you repeat pls?
[10:52] <lordievader> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:berfenger/roccat &&sudo apt-get update&&sudo apt-get install roccat-tools
[10:52] <Graf_Westerholt> General_Martok, try sudo add-apt-repository ppa:berfenger/roccat https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Paketquellen_freischalten/PPA#Kommandozeile
[10:53] <General_Martok> lordivaders command now worked
[10:53] <Graf_Westerholt> General_Martok :)
[10:54] <General_Martok> so I don't have to use yours Graf?
[10:55] <Graf_Westerholt> General_Martok, my is the same.
[10:55] <General_Martok> ok
[10:55] <lordievader> I copied his ;)
[10:55] <General_Martok> what does I have to do now?
[10:56] <Graf_Westerholt> General_Martok, start the roccat-tool. :D
[10:56] <Graf_Westerholt> General_Martok, I would try to enter rocca in the terminal and press the tab button.
[10:57] <Graf_Westerholt> If it complete the command, it exists and you can press enter.
[10:57] <General_Martok> doesn't work
[10:59] <Graf_Westerholt> General_Martok, maybe you can find the new program in the k-menu.
[11:03] <General_Martok> its not there
[11:03] <Graf_Westerholt> General_Martok, sorry, I do not know the name of the program.
[11:05] <lordievader> General_Martok: You ran the full command?
[11:05] <General_Martok> i ran: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:berfenger/roccat &&sudo apt-get update&&sudo apt-get install roccat-tools
[11:06] <lordievader> Did it error somewhere?
[11:07] <lordievader> General_Martok: From the sourceforge page:  GUI applications for configuring the devices. Usually they can be found in the settings menu of your desktop.
[11:07] <lordievader> Perhaps it is under the systemsettings.
[11:09] <General_Martok> can I insert the Terminal Output in teh chat? I think it did errors
[11:10] <Graf_Westerholt> General_Martok, if it is more then three lines: http://paste.kde.org
[11:10] <lordievader> !paste
[11:11] <Graf_Westerholt> lordievader :)
[11:11] <General_Martok> https://paste.kde.org/pig158txo
[11:12] <General_Martok> its german output
[11:12] <Graf_Westerholt> General_Martok, no problem. ;)
[11:13] <Graf_Westerholt> General_Martok, right, it did not install. :D
[11:13] <Graf_Westerholt> apt is locked
[11:14] <Graf_Westerholt> Maybe another instance of apt was running or crashed and the lock remained.
[11:15] <General_Martok> what can i do?
[11:16] <General_Martok> reboot?
[11:16] <Graf_Westerholt> General_Martok, I think you can solve this without reboot, but I think for this it might be faster to reboot. Then try the command from lordievader again.
[11:18] <Graf_Westerholt> And you have to run 'sudo adduser username roccat' with your username.
[11:18] <General_Martok> i think the command now wirked: https://goo.gl/QaOYno
[11:19] <Graf_Westerholt> General_Martok, yes, seems good.
[11:19] <Graf_Westerholt> General_Martok, now run 'sudo adduser username roccat' with your username.
[11:19] <General_Martok> worked
[11:19] <General_Martok> :)
[11:19] <Graf_Westerholt> :)
[11:20] <General_Martok> User added
[11:20] <Graf_Westerholt> :)
[11:20] <Graf_Westerholt> Now try to run roccat-tools
[11:21] <General_Martok> the app says no ISKU found.
[11:21] <General_Martok> but its there :)
[11:21] <General_Martok> the app is there
[11:22] <Graf_Westerholt> I guess you have to reboot again to take the new added group for your user. :D
[11:22] <General_Martok> thank you very much!!!
[11:22] <lordievader> Logging out and in is enough.
[11:22] <Graf_Westerholt> I wanted to be sure.
[11:22] <lordievader> Logging out and in is enough.
[11:23] <lordievader> Whoops, wrong window.
[11:23] <General_Martok> I have to go in a few mins. I will test it later.  I will come back :)
[11:23] <Graf_Westerholt> :D
[11:23]  * Graf_Westerholt should go, too.
[11:23] <General_Martok> have a nice day @all
[11:23] <Graf_Westerholt> And do some real life stuff.
[11:24] <General_Martok> yes me too
[11:24] <Graf_Westerholt> :D
[11:24] <General_Martok> cu
[12:32] <diego_> hop
[12:32] <diego_> holla
[12:37] <lordievader> o/
[13:50] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:52] <hazamonzo> BluesKaj: Howdy
[13:52] <BluesKaj> Hi hazamonzo
[16:23] <w8tah> How do I get a program to start automatically at boottime?
[16:25] <hazamonzo> w8tah: This should help
[16:25] <hazamonzo> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBootupHowto
[16:25] <hazamonzo> You want to play around with init.d
[16:26] <w8tah> hazamozo thank you
[16:26] <hazamonzo> w8tah: You're welcome. It might also be worth googling if there is a GUI to make it easier for you
[16:26] <hazamonzo> I know there are some for ubuntu
[16:27] <w8tah> ok
[16:28] <hazamonzo> w8tah: It looks like there is a GTK app called BUM (Boot Up manager) that you can install that gives you a GUI for managing bootup services
[16:28] <hazamonzo> I've never used it but if you'd like to try you can install it with
[16:28] <hazamonzo> sudo apt-get install bum
[16:29] <w8tah> Wow! very cool.  I'll take a look at that
[16:29] <w8tah> Thank you
[16:30] <hazamonzo> No worries. Im just testing it myself :)
[16:31] <hazamonzo> w8tah: http://www.marzocca.net/linux/bumdocs.html
[17:49] <YujiSaeki> Anyone else have an issue with using their scroll-wheel while moving their mouse? In Firefox I can scroll while moving my mouse anywhere (using scroll-wheel). KDE, nope. Not sure where any setting is for this, if it exists.
[17:50] <sam57> hi
[17:50] <sam57> :D
[17:50] <YujiSaeki> A bit quiet it seems, sam57.
[17:52] <sam57> I'm new in kubuntu, may i ask a question ??
[17:52] <YujiSaeki> I'd say go for it.
[17:55] <sam57> wifi connection disconnect after a few minutes, i try some way to fix but didnot work :(
[17:55] <YujiSaeki> Well that could be any number of things, really.
[17:57] <sam57> I turn off ipv6 one way but didnot work for me this solution
[17:58] <YujiSaeki> sam57: You can establish a connection but it disconnects after some time? Seems signal-related, or driver/OS-related.
[17:58] <sam57> yes that work good
[17:59] <sam57> after turn off and then turn on it work good for few minutes
[17:59] <YujiSaeki> sam57: Is it overheating, the chipset?
[17:59] <sam57> hmm...
[18:00] <YujiSaeki> I ran into that problem with a few RTL/RL/BCM chipsets before.
[18:00] <sam57> idk about that
[18:00] <YujiSaeki> Are other clients okay? Can they establish and keep connections always?
[18:01] <sam57> yes , befor i installed kubuntu, i had ubuntu 15.10 and thats work good
[18:02] <sam57> this problem when did i installed kubuntu
[18:02] <sam57> 15.10
[18:02] <YujiSaeki> sam57: I'd think it would be a driver issue then, or OS. I've never had luck with Kubuntu working reliably with my Atheros cards, but that may just be a fluke with me. Perhaps you can research what chipset your card uses and see if there are known problems or issues with it, and perhaps check the driver being used by Kubuntu.
[18:04] <sam57> thank you so much :)
[18:04] <YujiSaeki> sam57: You're welcome. I hope your issue gets resolved. : )
[18:05] <sam57> thnak bro
[18:05] <sam57> thanks*
[18:07] <YujiSaeki> ;)
[18:32] <Guest77266> Hi
[18:33] <Guest77266> \join
[18:35] <Guest77266> I'm sorry but I'm unable to undestand how this works.
[18:35] <Guest77266> sorry for the inconvineince caused
[18:35] <Guest77266> Thank you
[18:40] <dexter__> Hey guys, quick question. I'm using a AVerMedia - GL310 LGP Lite capture card under windows to capture gameplay footage from a console. Is it likely that WINE would play nice with a USB device or have I got no chance?
[21:22] <Quantos> Hey guys, I'm sure this is an easy one - Ctrl+Alt+T doesn't seem to open term for me on KDE
[21:23] <Quantos> I'm running v 15.10
[21:24] <lordievader> That shortcut doesn't do anything by default, can be set up to open the terminal though.
[21:24] <Quantos> Okay, what's the default one lordievader?
[21:25] <Quantos> Or is there a how-to on setting that up?
[21:26] <lordievader> Quantos: Systemsettings -> Shortcuts -> Custom -> Right click -> new shortcut, the rest is straightforward.
[21:26] <Quantos> Oh okay man, thank you very much
[21:32] <Quantos> Thanks lordievader, that was quick and painless
[21:33] <lordievader> ;)
[21:36] <genii> The other way is right-click on Application Menu button, Edit Applications...System...Konsole...Advanced tab ..."Current Shortcut Key"
[22:57] <Finh> Guys, just booted the 15.10 into live session and it ask for password... is there one ?
[22:58] <genii> should just be username kubuntu without a pass
[22:58] <Finh> okies, ty for answering, I'll go try again


[00:00] <somerville32> ah, it has
[00:00] <crimsun> retour: likely not.
[00:04] <retour> crimsun: was working fine yesterday
[00:04] <somerville32> lol
[00:04] <somerville32> Now the server didn't come back up
[00:04] <somerville32> I'm screwed, lol
[00:04] <somerville32> oh
[00:04] <somerville32> :D
[00:04] <somerville32> Back up
[00:08] <somerville32> Thanks crimsun
[00:08] <somerville32> How do I use Xnest?
[00:27] <TheSheep> somerville32: like any other x server, only you need to run it from x
[00:28] <squirrelpimp> hi
[00:28] <squirrelpimp> is dsniff broken in gutsy?
[00:29] <squirrelpimp> it doesn't work. outputs nothing to stdout where it should
[00:29] <squirrelpimp> any ideas?
[00:31] <nikolam> Maybe I could test it here at me if you tell me what you are trying to do?
[00:32] <nikolam> Just to make shure is it gutsy or your install
[00:32] <nikolam> squirrelpimp,
[00:33] <squirrelpimp> actually i was just playing with it for a paper i have to write for university
[00:33] <nikolam> what command were you using and you think it does not work?
[00:33] <squirrelpimp> i ran several variations of "dsniff -n -i eth0" and then issued http requests
[00:33] <nikolam> Maybe I can try it here
[00:33] <squirrelpimp> containing user/pass authentication information
[00:34] <nikolam> let me try
[00:34] <squirrelpimp> i'm not sure if this is supposed to work, thanks for your effort so far,
[00:34] <squirrelpimp> i'm booting into bt2 in a vmware right now to see what i get there
[00:36] <nikolam> just a sec, it seems that 80% of my logins are https :)
[00:36] <nikolam> looking for http one :)
[00:36] <squirrelpimp> :)
[00:37] <nikolam> And where should I get output from dsniff?
[00:37] <squirrelpimp> i just tried the same commands on bt2 where they worked
[00:37] <nikolam> On console or on some file?
[00:37] <squirrelpimp> right on the console
[00:37] <nikolam> I get nothing on console with http password entering
[00:38] <nikolam> I get nothing on console with http password entering
[00:38] <squirrelpimp> ok
[00:38] <nikolam> with sudo dsniff -n -i ppp0
[00:38] <squirrelpimp> my x just crashed
[00:38] <nikolam> ?
[00:38] <squirrelpimp> ok,so that seems to be a bug then
[00:38] <nikolam> Inside vmware?
[00:39] <squirrelpimp> my xserver just crashed... no the real one
[00:39] <squirrelpimp> crap
[00:39] <squirrelpimp> i hit the wrong keys
[00:39] <squirrelpimp> :)
[00:39] <nikolam> You could report if you think it`s a bug, to launchpad.
[00:39] <nikolam> I dodn`t used to use dsniff before btw
[00:41] <squirrelpimp> theres a bug already, i also mentioned my confirmation earlier but as i need that for university i just asked here and i might mention there, that another xubuntu-user saw that too
[00:43] <nikolam> ok :)
[00:43] <nikolam> I just hope that we are using the right command for dsniff
[00:44] <squirrelpimp> yes, it worked instantly on bt2
[00:44] <squirrelpimp> btw... there was that tool to resize and move windows in a script?
[00:45] <squirrelpimp> i'd like to distribute autostarted applications at login time automagically
[00:45] <squirrelpimp> :)
[00:45] <nikolam> I dont know. Anyone?
[00:45] <nikolam> btw, what is ct2>
[00:45] <nikolam> bt2
[00:46] <squirrelpimp> backtrack, a security tools distribution
[00:46] <nikolam> oh :)
[00:47] <nikolam> Ok, thank you for reporting or confirm that bug anyway ;)
[00:49] <squirrelpimp> it's called devilspie
[00:49] <squirrelpimp> i just found it
[00:49] <squirrelpimp> :)
[01:00] <nikolam> squirrelpimp, Nicee, I will give it a try myself :)
[01:13] <tuga3d> hi all
[01:14] <tuga3d> how can i make a deb package from a scons build?
[01:14] <nikolam> hi
[01:14] <tuga3d> :)
[01:14] <nikolam> I just compiled myself iceape yesterday.
[01:15] <nikolam> First install source : make some dir ane apt-get source scons
[01:15] <nikolam> (as user-you)
[01:15] <tuga3d> i've compiled some aplications with scons, but i can do an deb package for distribution. do you know how i can do it?
[01:16] <nikolam> And apt-get build-dep <package>
[01:18] <nikolam> I used to go to debian dir in source
[01:18] <nikolam> and use README.source
[01:18] <nikolam> it is saying: dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us -rfakeroot
[01:19] <tuga3d> oh, iĺl try that
[01:19] <tuga3d> do that work with scons?
[01:20] <nikolam> I dont know. Maybe you should read what instructions are in ./debian/README.source for every package?
[01:20] <tuga3d> yep, but that package isn't on the repositories.
[01:21] <mcsnakes> eej allemaal
[01:22] <mcsnakes> hi
[01:25] <nikolam> hello
[01:25] <mcsnakes> hello
[01:26] <mcsnakes> what if you have removed your startbalk?
[02:04] <barbender> hi folks, i am having a problem with seg fault in mplayer on gutsy install any ideas ?
[02:05] <tuga3d> good night! time to bed
[03:16] <mikubuntu> help... my friend just plugged an eth0 card into this old desktop but i can't get connection... when i run the connection mgr, it doesn't offer the choice including broadband, auto dchp connection, etc...
[03:28] <iateshaggy> han anyone help?
[03:28] <iateshaggy> *can
[03:30] <iateshaggy> anybody?
[03:31] <iateshaggy> i've had an instal go horribly wrong
[03:45] <mikubuntu> iateshaggy, what happened
[03:47] <mikubuntu> help... my friend just plugged an eth0 card into this old desktop but i can't get connection... when i run the connection mgr, it doesn't offer the choice including broadband, auto dchp connection, etc...
[03:47] <mikubuntu> just has choices for modem...
[03:53] <mikubuntu> iateshaggy, what happened maybe i can help.
[03:58] <iateshaggy> it fails to install when installing programs
[03:58] <iateshaggy> pool/main/l/lcms/liblcms1_1.16-5ubuntu3_i386.deb or my disk is corrupt
[03:59] <iateshaggy> message i get when scanning instal disk for errors
[04:02] <mikubuntu> ok, i'm no expert.  are you installing from the live cd, or from the alt installer cd?  alternate installer cd is more reliable during install.
[04:08] <mikubuntu> just has choices for modem...
[04:08] <mikubuntu> help... my friend just plugged an eth0 card into this old desktop but i can't get connection... when i run the connection mgr, it doesn't offer the choice including broadband, auto dchp connection, etc...
[04:18] <iateshaggy> alt instal
[06:14] <gerro> anyone know where I can find all information related to xfce applications menu?
[06:14] <gerro> I wish to do some editing of it
[06:15] <gerro> some themes for it might be nice
[07:45] <jmdc> My monitor goes into standby a couple of seconds into the installation boot. I can still hear the cd spinning though.
[11:54] <cherva> can someone help me fix my sound ? I have Yamaha DS-XG sound card. Xubuntu 7.04 didn't recognized it, so my sister installed alsa from source now this pc has sound but there is a static noise too how to fix that noise ?
[11:54] <gerro> hello
[11:55] <gerro> cherva: did you just install 7.04? latest xubuntu version is 7.10
[11:55] <gerro> cherva: I don't know what to say seeing as you compiled alsa yourself, hmm perhaps a cord is plugged in wrong or there is a short
[11:57] <cherva> gerro i tryed with headphones the noise is still there and it starts when xubuntu is loading so there must be something to do with the drivers
[11:57] <cherva> tried*
[11:57] <gerro> are you sure your plugged into the headphone jack?
[11:57] <cherva> :) yes
[11:57] <gerro> mine has several and some work but sound odd
[11:58] <gerro> cherva: is your computer a custom one or does it have a model code?
[11:59] <cherva> you mean  description: Low Profile Desktop Computer
[11:59] <cherva>     product: OptiPlex G1 350L+
[11:59] <cherva>     vendor: Dell Computer Corporation
[11:59] <cherva>     serial: 3LQDE
[11:59] <gerro> yeah optiplex something sounds like that's it
[11:59] <cherva> but the sound isn't integrated  its on PCI
[12:01] <gerro> sounds like most computers
[12:01] <cherva> lshw comes out with this http://pastebin.com/m47c8da7f  for multimedia
[12:01] <gerro> damn everything I google on this thing isn't in english
[12:02] <cherva> i know :)
[12:02] <gerro> thought I had wrong setting language in cookies or something :/
[12:02] <cherva> when i give up to search something in goole i come here :)
[12:02] <cherva> google*
[12:02] <gerro> might want to try ubuntu pastebin it a bit more legible and speedy
[12:03] <cherva> k
[12:04] <gerro> what does it say under lspci?
[12:05] <gerro> do you get any errors when you do "/etc/init.d/alsa restart"
[12:05] <cherva> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/d1f987d36 nothing interesting
[12:05] <gerro> ah rev 03 just like some people have on forum
[12:06] <cherva> OMG how does my sister have sound on alsa restart i get bash: alsa: command not found
[12:07] <gerro> perhaps your not using alsa
[12:07] <cherva> alsamixer finds my card
[12:07] <cherva> oss has the same problem i tried it
[12:08] <gerro> hmm on gutsy that doesn't work either
[12:08] <gerro> guess its only older ubuntu
[12:08] <gerro> if you can restart the sound daemon in terminal though you could pinpoint any flaws
[12:08] <gerro> oh also check dmesg see if it has any listings about your sound card
[12:09] <cherva> sec
[12:10] <lightwise> hello, i got a question, i just installed xubuntu and im tired of my monitor shutting off after 15 minutes, and i can't find the power management settings to turn this off, any suggestions plz?
[12:12] <cherva> Apps-> Settings -> screensaver preferences -> in display modes look for blank after and in advanced look for display power managment
[12:12] <gerro> lightwise: you  mean the screensaver? does it have any power management options in the bios?
[12:13] <lightwise> i went to the screensaver menu, and there is no advanced.
[12:13] <gerro> yeah no advanced here either
[12:13] <lightwise> ive been searching for a while now.
[12:14] <gerro> is this a desktop computer?
[12:14] <lightwise> ya
[12:14] <gerro> try turning off acpi
[12:14] <lightwise> i am in xfce and they are telling me there isn't any powermanagment window
[12:14] <lightwise> what kind of bullshit is that?
[12:14] <gerro> if fans cut off or it does anything odd turn it back on
[12:15] <lightwise> i mean this looks like a sweet desktop
[12:15] <gerro> just some handle it internally without software
[12:15] <lightwise> but i dont wanna have to giggle my mouse after 15 minutes to keep from my monitor shutting off
[12:15] <lightwise> dude
[12:15] <lightwise> nothing is wrong with my bios
[12:15] <gerro> it sounds like your describing a screen saver.....
[12:15] <lightwise> its the damn desktop software
[12:16] <gerro> what sort of monitor are you using though?
[12:16] <lightwise> im in the screensaver menu now.
[12:16] <lightwise> there is nothing to turn off the power management.
[12:17] <gerro> uncheck activate screen saver when computer is idle
[12:17] <lightwise> i did
[12:17] <lightwise> no screensaver activates.
[12:17] <lightwise> it just turns the monitor off
[12:17] <lightwise> i dunno how to make this any clearer.
[12:17] <squirrelpimp> the computer stopped doing that here, after i unchecked that box
[12:18] <squirrelpimp> lightwise: maybe you  have some powersaving-features configures in your bios?
[12:18] <lightwise> no
[12:18] <gerro> does the monitor do that with other systems?
[12:18] <lightwise> no
[12:18] <lightwise> i think its pretty lame there isn't a menu for this shit.
[12:18] <gerro> for what?
[12:18] <squirrelpimp> lightwise: ever thought of using windows? it has a menu for that
[12:19] <squirrelpimp> :)
[12:19] <lightwise> im not asking too much here.
[12:19] <cherva> gerro there is nothing in dmesg but i still can't find what deamon is responable for my sound
[12:19] <lightwise> pal
[12:19] <gerro> lightwise: so your computer is idle 15 minutes and the monitor cuts off, isn't that a positive feature?
[12:20] <lightwise> ya its real positive when im trying to watch a movie.
[12:20] <lightwise> heh
[12:20] <gerro> I would be surprised if it isn't built into your hardware
[12:20] <squirrelpimp> lightwise: did you check your X-config?
[12:20] <gerro> check the monitors menu
[12:20] <squirrelpimp> i was able to deactivate that in screensavers settings with the above mentioned checkbox
[12:21] <gerro> lightwise: also check your movie players settings most have anti screensaver/idle things to prevent screen from blanking
[12:21] <squirrelpimp> it'd be helpful to have a screenshot of you power-related bios-settings as wel
[12:21] <squirrelpimp> :)
[12:21] <lightwise> im almost sorry i came in here asking for help
[12:21] <lightwise> its like calling comcast.
[12:21] <lightwise> for tech support
[12:22] <lightwise> nothing is in my bio shutting shit off morons
[12:22] <squirrelpimp> what's wrong? we told you where to look
[12:22] <squirrelpimp> now go do that
[12:22] <PriceChild> !ohmy | lightwise
[12:22] <ubotu> lightwise: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[12:22] <lightwise> its xfce, and they deemed it nesessary NOT to put a power management menu in to shut this bullshit off, which is beyond me.
[12:22] <lightwise> k
[12:22] <lightwise> im jus frustrated
[12:22] <squirrelpimp> or open up ssh root accounts and maybe one will look for you
[12:22] <squirrelpimp> lightwise: xfce is a window manager
[12:23] <squirrelpimp> it manages your windows, not your monitor
[12:23] <lightwise> you haven't told me anything i haven't already done squirrel.
[12:23] <gerro> actually xfwm is window manager xfce is desktop environment
[12:23] <squirrelpimp> you can install the gnome-settings-stuff and see, if you find something there
[12:23] <squirrelpimp> sometimes xfce lacks features already implemented in gnome
[12:24] <squirrelpimp> gerro: yes, of coure
[12:24] <squirrelpimp> s
[12:24] <gerro> squirrelpimp: helps to know incase you kill xfwm messing with compiz ^^
[12:24] <lightwise> ive even killed the screensaver process
[12:24] <lightwise> and it still shuts off
[12:25] <gerro> lightwise: can you please just list what model monitor your using
[12:25] <lightwise> why? do you really think my monitor is shutting off itself when in kde and gnome it doesnt?
[12:25] <lightwise> heh
[12:26] <gerro> I don't know really what to think you haven't given any information
[12:26] <lightwise> ya its ok, im about down with xubuntu.
[12:26] <lightwise> done too
[12:49] <xdaniel> hi, how can i know which version of xubuntu i'm using?
[12:52] <xdaniel> hi. Want to upgrade to xubuntu7.10. How can i know which version i'm using now?
[12:54] <predaeus> xdaniel, READ ALL OF THIS: I don't remember the command you are looking for, but you can hit ctrl-alt-F1 to switch to the terminal and read the version and hit ctrl-alt-F7 to get back to X.
[13:00] <xdaniel> it says "Ubuntu 6.10". It doen't make sense...
[13:01] <xdaniel> i'm sure i have installed xubuntu 7.04
[13:06] <shinobi> hey everyone. does anyone have any idea why my xubuntu box would refuse to mount an external fat32 drive partition? it mount a ext3 partition on the same drive.
[13:06] <shinobi> even shows up all four partitions on the desktop on connect, but will not mount the fat32 ones
[13:07] <shinobi> i just upgraded to gutsy an then did some trimming
[13:22] <xdaniel> which error it gives?
[15:03] <kksm19820117> Greetings all.
[15:05] <kksm19820117> I'm  am considering installing Xubuntu - a command line install - from an alternate CD and was wondering if I install xfce later using synaptic, will it automatically install thunar and xfburn, etc...? Is there a way I can find out?
[15:39] <gnomefreak> kksm19820117: you can install xubuntu-desktop i fyou like after server install and it will bring in everything for you that a standard xubuntu install would
[15:40] <kksm19820117> gnomefreak: That's what I'm trying to avoid. I want xfce, but not thunar and mousepad, etc...
[15:41] <gnomefreak> kksm19820117: you can install eerything separate than
[15:42] <gnomefreak> use apt-cache search xfce   sinc eyou will be in text only and install what you think you will need but its gonna be hard to not get thunar if you install any xfce gui apps
[15:42] <kksm19820117> gnomefreak: I can't figure the doifference between xfce and xfwm. If xfwm is only the window manager, that should do the trick, yes?
[15:43] <gnomefreak> kksm19820117: try it i have never installed it separate
[15:43] <kksm19820117> Ah, you mean apps like xfburn use thunar, do they?
[15:43] <gnomefreak> apt-cache show xfwm to see what the depends are
[15:43] <gnomefreak> kksm19820117: they might/sure they do depend on it
[15:44] <gnomefreak> when you use show look at the depends those are what WILL be installed with the app
[15:46] <kksm19820117> Looks like I could avoid thunar. Not bad.
[15:56] <jarnos> Have you got any success with offline IMs when using Pidgin?
[15:58] <jarnos> I continue conversation in #pidgin.
[17:29] <shadebug> can I assume this is a place for me to engage in some unfettered newbtardedness? If so, I was wondering if anybody could suggest some sort of comprehensive wireless networking tools which would allow me to scan for available networks and connect to them and the such
[17:33] <TheSheep> !wifi | shadebug
[17:33] <ubotu> shadebug: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[17:33] <TheSheep> shadebug: for start
[17:33] <shadebug> thank you kindly
[18:44] <freereign> hi
[19:49] <aladinsane> i just changed the filesystem on one of my drive from nfts to ext3 with Gparted, and now i want to be able to use this drive in Xubuntu but Thunar says i do not have the permissions to write to it, how do i change these permissions?
[19:49] <aladinsane> I can see it in Thunar and in Nautilus..
[19:49] <aladinsane> And this is a drive that wil forever be in the system, NOT just a temorary mount.
[19:55] <xue2zhe3> I need to make cheap international calls from America to China. I want to use an SIP client like Ekiga or Wengo. Does anyone have any experience or opinions to share?
[19:59] <aladinsane> I use Wengo for my Voip calls, it works perfectly with Voipstunt, which makes it free..
[20:00] <aladinsane> just install Wengo, and use sip.voipstunt.com as servers when they ask. Create an account on voipstunt.com first..
[20:01] <xue2zhe3> Ok I have 2 votes for Wengo. If I don´t get another vote then Wengo it is.
[20:02] <TheSheep> xue2zhe3: there is also gosspi
[20:02] <TheSheep> xue2zhe3: sorry
[20:03] <TheSheep> xue2zhe3: argh, I forgot the name
[20:03] <TheSheep> xue2zhe3: ah, gizmo
[20:05] <xue2zhe3> Yea I heard about Gizmo, but it is propriatary.
[20:05] <TheSheep> ah, right
[20:06] <aladinsane> I tried about 15 different voip thingies for xubuntu last week cause i wanted to use my voipstunt account, not one exept Wengo worked out good
[20:07] <evil_tech> blarg!! automounting isn't working again
[20:15] <xue2zhe3> Wengo wins! I´l use sip.voipstunt.com as well thanks.
[20:24] <aladinsane> xue2zhe3: i wish i had someone like me i week ago :)
[20:39] <Asbanol> hello @all
[20:40] <Asbanol> Does know how to get the ADI1988 codec to run? - I'm using Xubuntu 7.04
[21:01] <methods> how do i install xubuntu on kubuntu so it comes setup just like xubuntu woul?
[21:08] <zoredache> to install all the packages do an 'apt-get install xubuntu-desktop'
[21:09] <zoredache> After that you would probably want to remove kdm, and any other kde packages you don't want
[21:15] <Maenad> i have xubuntu 7.04 cd, can i install it and upgrade easily to 7.10?
[21:20] <methods> but how do i make it look like it was a xubuntu install ?
[21:36] <zoredache> Maenad: if you put the disk in the drive you can use apt-cdrom to add your cdrom as a source for packages...  then start a terminal and try running the command gksu "update-manager -c"
[21:37] <zoredache> methods: what do you mean 'look like'
[21:39] <Maenad> thanks
[21:50] <methods> i want it to act like i just installed xubuntu and have no kubuntu computer control
[21:50] <methods> but i still want to keep kubutnu installed too
[21:53] <zoredache> methods: that doesn't make sense to me...
[21:53] <methods> imagine you got a shiny new xubuntu cd and installed it
[21:53] <methods> i want it to look like that
[21:54] <zoredache> did you install the xubuntu-desktop package?
[21:54] <zoredache> if so, then that is what you should have
[22:02] <Maenad> is there a GUI tool for configuring netatalk in (x)ubuntu
[22:10] <methods> i dont even have any menu bars and stuff its not a default xfce desktop it looks like a half ass one
[22:42] <flyingfree> hello
[22:42] <flyingfree> If ubuntu is still showing during boot-up but I get the xubuntu login screen did I do something wrong in converting from ubuntu to xubuntu?
[22:43] <zoredache> no
[22:44] <zoredache> you just may want to change the splash screens...
[22:44] <flyingfree> when I converted my dapper from ubuntu to xubuntu it changed the bootup screen to xubntu logo and colors though
[22:45] <flyingfree> then when I upgraded to fiesty and tried the convert I kept the ubuntu logo and colours on the bootup screen
[22:45] <flyingfree> ohhh okay by boot-up screen I mean the little progress bar eh.
[22:46] <zoredache> sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so
[22:46] <zoredache> or at least that is what google suggests
[22:46] <flyingfree> is there a way to install screenlets in the xfce environ?
[22:46] <flyingfree> I have seen lots of gnome based discussion on it but little for xfce
[22:47] <flyingfree> how do you word these google requests to ge such good answers and ae you doing it at the main google web search?
[22:47] <zoredache> my spearch was 'ubuntu splash xubuntu'
[22:48] <flyingfree> in the web search area?
[22:48] <zoredache> and I know nothing about screenlets...
[22:48] <flyingfree> bugger
[22:48] <zoredache> yes, the web search
[22:48] <flyingfree> okay
[22:48] <flyingfree> thanks
[22:48] <flyingfree> anyone else with experience with screenlets in xubuntu?
[22:58] <feliciano> hi there... I'm trying to make xubuntu faster.. and I red to disable some services... But there is some that I dont Know... like avahi-daemon is sure disable it??
[23:00] <evil_tech> you could always google what they do
[23:01] <flyingfree> !screenlets
[23:01] <ubotu> Screenlets are little widgets for your !desktop. Note you must have !Compiz Fusion, !Beryl, xcompmgr, or KWin to run them. You can get them at http://www.screenlets.org/
[23:01] <feliciano> I dont found answer
[23:02] <flyingfree> !compiz
[23:02] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - help in #compiz-fusion
[23:03] <Pumpernickel> Avahi is a Zeroconf network service detection daemon.
[23:04] <feliciano> Pumpernickel.. Ok, I understand that... but I dont know what thats mean... Is usefull for me??
[23:10] <flyingfree> hello
[23:10] <flyingfree> wondering if compiz will work in xfce?
[23:10] <flyingfree> trying to get screenlets in my xfce desktop
[23:11] <flyingfree> running xubuntu fiesty
[23:11] <flyingfree> dshepherd are you from jamaica?
[23:11] <DShepherd> si
[23:11] <flyingfree> ccol
[23:11] <flyingfree> I knew the Mr. Jamaica body builder beck in the early 90's
[23:12] <DShepherd> k
[23:12] <flyingfree> not much traffic here
[23:14] <Maenad> hi i installed netatalk from synaptic package manager. can someone tell me how i would add a user who can connect to it?
[23:24] <tuga3d> hi all
[23:26] <tuga3d> how can i know the shared libs a file uses?
[23:26] <evil_tech> does google earth not work when you use compiz?
[23:31] <tuga3d> anyone
[23:32] <tuga3d> i'm compiling a software and i need to know the dependencies
[23:38] <Pumpernickel> tuga3d: `apt-get build-dep packagename`
[23:38] <Pumpernickel> If it hasn't been packaged for Ubuntu, you'll have to check the project documentation.
[23:39] <tuga3d> it hasn't been :( isn't there some command that tells me what libraries the executable needs?
[23:40] <Pumpernickel> Not if it hasn't been already prepared, no.
[23:41] <tuga3d> ok thanks!
[23:41] <Pumpernickel> flyingfree: Yes, compiz will work.  You'll probably want Emerald, too.
[23:45] <flyingfree> pumpernickel any ideas on how
[23:45] <flyingfree> I am in the compiz channell trying to figure it out
[23:45] <flyingfree> !emerald
[23:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about emerald - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:45] <Pumpernickel> !info emerald
[23:45] <ubotu> emerald: Decorator for compiz-fusion. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3~git20070717-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 198 kB, installed size 956 kB
[23:50] <flyingfree> okay installed
[23:50] <flyingfree> but I am getting a double buffer error when I try to compiz --replace in a terminal
[23:52] <flyingfree> !info cahnge to ubuntu
[23:52] <ubotu> Package cahnge does not exist in gutsy


[00:35] <dtchen> jdstrand: don't know if bug/launchpad-e-mail-tag is worthwhile, so i'm happy to summarise the necessary debugging steps as follows: 1) use autospawn=no, 2) sudo /sbin/alsa force-unload, then reboot
[01:34] <Loongson> Hi
[01:34] <Loongson> MIPS64 is officially supported in Debian
[01:34] <Loongson> Ubuntu get all of its source code from Debian
[01:35] <Loongson> and the Chinese Loongson CPU is MIPS64-compartible
[01:35] <Loongson> If one wants to create an unofficial Ubuntu MIPS64 port
[01:36] <Loongson> are there any existing compile farm in Ubuntu which automate cross-compiling of ubuntu packages (say in Jaunty or Karmic) to MIPS64?
[01:36] <Loongson> How can I set such a project up?
[01:40] <directhex> Loongson, ubuntu doesn't have any MIPS build servers in its standard build service, AFAIK
[01:41] <Loongson> I know........ but how can I set up such a compile farm / cross-compile farm?
[01:42] <Loongson> I would like to get a MIPS64 repository based on Ubuntu source code
[01:42] <directhex> good question. i never got MIPS working in QEMU
[01:44] <Loongson> directhex, have you tried http://www.qemu.org/mips-test-0.2.tar.gz?
[01:44] <directhex> no
[01:44] <directhex> i have a pretty low threshhold for how much effort i'll put into something before going "meh"
[01:45] <Loongson> to get MIPS guest working under qemu, you must use kqemu kernel module (since arch of guest and host different)
[01:45] <Loongson> and you can run the MIPS guest image I suggested
[02:40] <ScottK> Loongson: You might ask NCommander (when he's around).  He has some experience with bootstrapping Ubuntu on new architectures.
[02:40] <Loongson> Hey ScottK!
[02:40] <Loongson> Have you received the email about our 389 directory server?
[02:41] <Loongson> We really should aim to get 389 into Karmic
[02:41] <ScottK> Loongson: I did.  You'd do better to put the package on REVU and ask for reviewers here.
[02:41] <Loongson> but it has to pass through REVU first
[02:41] <ScottK> Loongson: I'm sure, but I've got very limited time to put into such things right now.
[02:41] <Loongson> Packages are already sitting at REVU for a long time
[02:41] <ScottK> Ah.
[02:42] <ScottK> Loongson: Then I'd suggest attending the Ubuntu Server team meeting and bringing it up there.
[02:42] <Loongson> need someone to fast-track advocation to make 389 into Karmic, which is before the next LTS
[02:42] <Loongson> how to attend Ubuntu server team?
[02:42] <ScottK> Tuesday at (I think) 1500 UTC or thereabouts.
[02:43] <ScottK> The meetings are on IRC at #ubuntu-meeting.
[02:43] <Loongson> ScottK: is it also by IRC?
[02:43] <ScottK> Yes
[02:43] <ScottK> Loongson: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam
[02:44] <Loongson> ScottK: Thx!  However what is the launchpad user name of "NCommander"?  I can't find this user name at launchpad
[02:46] <ScottK> Loongson: That's his IRC nick.
[02:47] <Loongson> ScottK, but do you know his Launchpad username?
[02:47] <Loongson> maybe I can send him a message through launchpad to ask these things in more detail
[02:48] <ScottK> Loongson: https://launchpad.net/~mcasadevall
[02:49] <Loongson> Thanks a lot!  I will ask him the best way to handle the Ubuntu-MIPS64 project...........
[02:54] <ScottK> Loongson: I do know he's very busy with work, so probably won't have a lot of time, but he might have good advice.
[02:55] <bcurtiswx> has empathy 2.27.4 been uploaded to the repositories yet? (or a better question may be how can i find that out for myself in the future)
[02:55] <Loongson> I will email him
[02:55] <bcurtiswx> for karmic
[02:55] <Loongson> and when he is online, drop him a line.......
[09:32] <AnAnt> Hello, this package http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=monajat needs an extra advocate, bddebian tried to advocate it, but seems he got a problem with the new REVU website, can someone review & advocate pls ?
[11:05] <pkt> Is there a tool that can edit dpkg file metadata?
[11:05] <pkt> e.g., I have an "installer-type" package that downloads and uncompresses a tarball from the internet
[11:05] <RAOF> Your choice of text editor will work.
[11:05] <pkt> (it can't be done otherwise)
[11:06] <RAOF> I'd suggest looking at the flashplugin-installer package, then.  That downloads and uncompresses a tarball from the internet.
[11:06] <pkt> I 'd like something that would run from the postinst
[11:06] <pkt> does this package also delete flash when it is uninstalled?
[11:07] <pkt> hmm, I guess I should check it out in any case
[11:08] <RAOF> Yes, it does.
[11:08] <pkt> cool
[11:20] <pkt> RAOF: no, flashplugin doesn't do what I would want
[11:21] <pkt> it doesn't merge the downloaded files to the installed dpkg metadata
[11:21] <cjwatson> you can't call dpkg re-entrantly from a postinst
[11:21] <pkt> so you can't e.g., use dpkg -S to find flash
[11:21] <cjwatson> sorry, there's no way to do that right now
[11:21] <pkt> I was hoping you could mess with the .list file somehow
[11:21] <cjwatson> no
[11:21] <cjwatson> not remotely safely
[11:22] <cjwatson> any package that does that should have a release-critical bug filed against it
[11:22] <pkt> cjwatson: ok, so this way is a dead end
[11:22] <cjwatson> I'm afraid so - it needs dpkg extensions. The idea's been around for a while but has never been implemented
[11:23] <cjwatson> all current installer packages just plunk the files on the system and live with the fact that dpkg doesn't know about them
[11:23] <pkt> this wouldn't work for me :(
[11:23] <pkt> I would like to be able to install non-free firmware automatically
[11:24] <pkt> e.g., for my USB ADSL modem
[11:24] <pkt> an installer-type package seems to be the only way this can be done
[11:25] <cjwatson> so just do what every installer-type package does, and cope with the fact that dpkg -S doesn't know about it
[11:25] <cjwatson> sometimes you have to be pragmatic
[11:25] <pkt> but then e.g., packagekit needs to be able to ask for the package that contains the specific firmware file to be installed
[11:25] <cjwatson> oh well it might need some special cases
[11:26] <pkt> perhaps I should figure out a way to automatically compile a database of all firmware files in the kernel
[11:26] <pkt> perhaps that could do the trick then
[11:26] <pkt> e.g., lib/firmware/ueagle-atm/blablah.fw -> ueagle-fw-installer
[11:26] <luca__> hi ?
[11:27] <pkt> but it will be a bit of a pain to maintain, unless there is a way for firmware packages to somehow "register" themselves
[11:27] <luca__> i fixed a bug in the usplash source and made now a debdiff .. what i am supposed to do now ? (is my first time)
[11:28] <yofel> hi, I'm trying to fix a bug in zenity right now, but the control file already has a original-maintainer and the current maintainer is the ubuntu-desktop team, what should I do here?
[11:31] <sladen> luca__: excellent!
[11:31] <sladen> luca__: if there isn't already a bug for the issue you've fixed, file one at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usplash/+filebug
[11:31] <luca__> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usplash/+bug/257181
[11:31] <luca__> i did post there (how the hell do i whisper ?)
[11:31] <sladen> luca__: you can then attach the debdiff and mark it as [x] patch
[11:32] <geser> luca__: did you attach the debdiff to the bug you fixed?
[11:32] <luca__> yes
[11:32] <luca__> but i didn't select "patch"
[11:32]  * sladen looks
[11:50] <pkt> cjwatson: there is the solution of including "dummy" files in the package
[11:51] <pkt> cjwatson:  that will be subsequently replaced by the real ones
[11:51] <pkt> cjwatson: but this will mess the md5sums :(
[11:54] <cjwatson> that's indeed also completely wrong
[11:54] <cjwatson> I'm afraid that if some higher layer is depending on dpkg -S and you can't ship the files directly, you're just going to have to add workarounds to the higher layer
[11:55] <cjwatson> (well, dpkg -S or similar things such as Contents files)
[11:55] <Laney> repacking to include licensing fixes that are now upstream is alright, yes?
[11:56] <sladen> luca__: okay, that patch neatly illustrates the problem---but there might be a cleaner way to fix it
[11:56] <luca__> cleaner way ?
[11:56] <luca__> sure change that it just use 8bit mode
[11:56] <luca__> vga= at grub
[11:57] <sladen> luca__: I think there are macros for converting the paletteised colour, to the 15/16/24 bit pixel value that needs working
[11:57] <AnAnt> is there a way to disable a package from being installed ? I tried to add the following to /etc/apt/preferences, but it didn't work:
[11:57] <AnAnt> Package: <package name>
[11:57] <AnAnt> Pin-Priority: -1
[11:57] <sladen> luca__: rather than 3 lines for of  r << X & 0xmask | g << Y & 0xmask
[11:57] <luca__> well not in this source it's in everyfunktion like this.. but the author missed it in usplash_svga_clear
[11:58] <luca__> i just copyed it from usplash_svga_put
[11:58] <luca__> or usplash_svga_put_part
[11:58] <luca__> i didn't watn to write it diffrent then it hte outer funktions :P but good question why he didn't use macros..
[11:58] <sladen> luca__: ahhh, okay.
[11:59] <sladen> luca__: could you put that in the editor comment, along the lines of  "Add missing 16-bit special case for usplash_svga_clear()"
[12:00] <luca__> okay
[12:00] <sladen> luca__: (eg. a message that makes it clear that it's just completeing the set
[12:02] <luca__> öhm
[12:02] <luca__> dch: fatal error at line 627:
[12:02] <luca__> The backup file debian/changelog.dch already exists --
[12:02] <luca__> please move it before trying again
[12:02] <luca__> i pressed a wrong key now i get this
[12:05] <luca__> okay did it .. where should i upload the new debdiff ? I can't edit my old post..
[12:07] <cjwatson> so just add another comment to the bug, attaching the new one
[12:07] <cjwatson> you don't need to edit history to update things
[12:09] <AnAnt> Can someone confirm this syncrequest: LP 399123 ? This fixes a bug making dicoweb uninstallable
[12:14] <luca__> okay i posted the new usplash fix
[12:15] <sladen> luca__: right, now the thing to do is check the changelog and find the last person to have modified it
[12:16] <sladen> luca__: and them ping them directly by IRC/email
[12:16] <luca__> aha .. that does mean ? (lol It's my first time doing this)
[12:18] <luca__> Kees Cook<EMAIL_ADDRESS>made the previous change
[12:26] <yofel> hi, I'm trying to fix a bug in zenity right now, but the control file already has a original-maintainer and the current maintainer is the ubuntu-desktop team, what should I do here?
[12:26] <Ampelbein> yofel: leave it to the desktop team
[12:27] <yofel> ok
[13:21] <bdrung> Zhenech: when will you upload the *-colors packages?
[13:24] <Zhenech> tomorrow from university
[13:26] <bdrung> ok
[13:27] <bdrung> Zhenech: the packages are smaller than the previous ones (especially gnome-colors)
[13:27] <Zhenech> not the binary ones :)
[13:29] <bdrung> but the source ones ;) in ubuntu you upload only sources.
[13:29] <Zhenech> well
[13:29] <Zhenech> in ubuntu...
[13:29] <Zhenech> :P
[14:18] <bdrung> Zhenech: is your internet connection too slow?
[14:20] <Zhenech> bdrung, too crappy, it does 600kbit/s
[14:21] <Zhenech> but stalls often, and ftp-master highly dislikes this
[14:21] <Laney> can't you dput from alioth?
[14:21] <bdrung> then it really needs long.
[14:22] <bdrung> Laney: the packages are not on alioth.
[14:22] <Laney> that's what scp is for
[14:22] <Zhenech> Laney, I could dput from merkel too, but the packages would have to get there somehow
[14:22] <Laney> yeah
[14:22] <Laney> the stalling problem wouldn't be an issue then though...
[14:22] <bdrung> Zhenech: rsync!
[14:22] <Zhenech> well, same problem in some terms
[14:23] <Laney> wouldn't annoy anyone other than yourself :)
[14:23] <Zhenech> :P
[15:27] <e-jat> anyone can help me with this bugs 371890 ?
[16:38] <kurdology> hi
[16:39] <ajeeshr> hi
[16:39] <kurdology> how are you ajeeshr
[16:39] <ajeeshr> fine great
[16:39] <ajeeshr> how r u?
[16:40] <kurdology> thanks
[16:40] <kurdology> you are here for what?
[16:41] <ajish> l am here to ask some questions related to pbbuilder
[16:41] <ajish> i am new to ubuntu build system, till now i have been solaris user now i started using ubuntu
[16:42] <kurdology> in ubuntu i've some question
[16:42] <kurdology> can i asked
[16:42] <kurdology> ?
[16:42] <ajish> yup
[16:42] <ajish> i will try my level best to answer?
[16:42] <ajish> :))
[16:43] <kurdology> how can i to define WI-FI
[16:44] <ajish> i am using default applet for wifi
[16:44] <ajish> NetworkManager applet
[16:45] <kurdology> and about WLAN USB 2.0 ?
[16:46] <ajish> using wlan-n package and configure it
[16:48] <ajish> kurdology did it help?
[16:54] <kurdology> ithink can't help me
[16:55] <ajish> did you install linux-wlan-ng?
[16:56] <kurdology> no
[16:58] <ajish> does it say uncompatible with wlan usb 2.0?
[16:58] <kurdology> now iam comen with windows
[16:59] <kurdology> because i can't connect with internet in linuc
[16:59] <kurdology> linux
[17:03] <alkisg> Is there a maximum length in the path of the files inside a .deb package? dpkg -i crashes for me when I use some long utf8 sequences as filenames, but it doesn't crash when I use smaller utf8 filenames...
[17:07] <directhex> alkisg, if you can produce a test case, then file a bug
[17:07] <alkisg> directhex: thanks, under which package?
[17:08] <alkisg> debuild -b works, dpkg -i crashes
[17:08] <directhex> alkisg, dpkg
[17:08] <alkisg> directhex: thank you
[17:30] <alkisg> directhex: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dpkg/+bug/401434
[17:31] <alex-weej> does anyone have bzr nautilus working here?
[17:36] <hyperair> is there a way to get debsign to use gpg --no-tty?
[17:52] <hyperair> bah. i ended up having to create a wrapper bash script
[18:10] <geser> hyperair: have you tried to set DEBSIGN_PROGRAM="gpg --no-tty" in your ~/.devscripts?
[18:22] <hyperair> geser: no i didn't.
[18:22] <hyperair> geser: i tried exporting it though
[18:22] <hyperair> didn't seem to work.
[18:29] <slytherin> geser: Got some time to review http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/excalibur-logger ?
[18:33] <hyperair>     *   The changelog does not close a bug from Launchpad. New packages should have a needs-packaging bug and the upload close it using the syntax "(LP: #nnnn)".
[18:34] <hyperair> looks to me like you need to correct your changelog
[18:35] <slytherin> hyperair: It is 'should', not 'must'. :-)
[18:36] <hyperair> well let me bump up the priority a little then.
[18:36] <hyperair> you *must* file a needs-packaging bug and close it using LP: #XXXXX if you're going to be using revu. =)
[18:36] <hyperair> of course, this is just what i say, and you don't have to listen to me (but i'm sure many MOTUs will want it as well)
[18:37] <slytherin> hyperair: Don't worry. I am pretty sure no one else is interested in packaging this.
[18:38] <hyperair> what i meant to say is...
[18:38] <hyperair> do you want a sponsor or not?
[18:38] <slytherin> hyperair: By the way, I am MOTU member myself. As per the convention, I am seeking a cross review.
[18:38] <hyperair> aah i see. O_o
[18:38] <Laney> haha
[18:38]  * hyperair shuts up and remembers why the name sounded so familiar
[18:39] <slytherin> It is preferred that even the MOTUs seek one advocate before uploading the package to archives. :-)
[18:39] <hyperair> that's something i never knew
[18:40] <hyperair> it appears that you're packaging something to do with java. would you be familiar with maven2 build systems by any chance?
[18:41] <slytherin> hyperair: I am not much familiar with maven2 since I never used it myself. I am 'ant' guy. You may want to contact Ludovic Claude. He is working with packaging maven2 in Debian.
[18:41] <hyperair> hmm okay
[18:42] <slytherin> anything in particular you are looking for?
[18:42] <hyperair> how to package software using the maven2 build system
[18:42] <hyperair> i'm interested in packaging microemu
[18:42] <hyperair> bunch of stubs for j2me development
[18:43] <hyperair> it's the key that would allow me to compile (and get the resulting .jar) for remuco distributed
[18:44] <jander99> Hello.  I'm working on a bug and think I have a viable patch for it.  How should I go about getting it looked at? #ubuntu-bugs led me here.
[18:44] <slytherin> hyperair: I could help you create a ant based build for that if it is urgent.
[18:44] <slytherin> jander99: which bug.
[18:44] <hyperair> slytherin: nothing urgent.
[18:44] <jander99> bug 125609
[18:45] <hyperair> slytherin: even if i don't get microemu packaged, the upstream author of remuco will ship some relevant files from microemu in remuco's tarball, which would allow (hopefully) easy compilation of the client.
[18:45] <hyperair> the client being the .jar which sits on mobile phones.
[18:46] <slytherin> hyperair: Yes I know. I have recently used remuco. I agree that having the jar file in archives is good.
[18:46] <hyperair> oh you have?
[18:46] <hyperair> that's awesome
[18:46] <hyperair> if you happen to know a passing archive admin, help me get remuco synced won't you? =)
[18:47] <hyperair> 0.9.0's in debian, sync request acked by Laney
[18:47] <Laney> patience dear boy
[18:47] <slytherin> hyperair: If there is already a sync request then just have some patience.
[18:48] <hyperair> =p
[18:48] <hyperair> i was born impatient
[18:49] <bcurtiswx> hi all, is there a "hello world" type code for me to look at and get an understanding of gnome code?
[18:49] <slytherin> hyperair: I just remembered. Amarok 2 is not in unstable, only in experimental. So unless it is uploaded to unstable, remuco's migration to testing is going to be blocked.
[18:49] <slytherin> jander99: is this bug still present in Ubuntu's latest development version?
[18:49] <hyperair> slytherin: i'm aware of that. (were you the one who asked me about it the other day?)
[18:49] <slytherin> yes
[18:50] <hyperair> either way remuco's uploaded to unstable, and i can't really do anything about amarok2 being missing, and i don't think i'd rather not disable remuco-amarok's build just to get it into testing.
[18:50] <jander99> slytherin: I believe so. I grabbed the source from both the jaunty repo (apt-get source) and the vanilla sources.
[18:51] <bcurtiswx> i do scientific programming in graduate studies, but id like to understand gnome code for helping make patches
[18:51] <slytherin> jander99: Ok. And what solution do you propose?
[18:52] <slytherin> bcurtiswx: Gnome project includes many libraries, applications and development frameworks. What are you exactly looking for?
[18:53] <jander99> slytherin: As the bug stated, the build tools require gccmakedep, which puts a dependency on xutils-dev.  Changing the line in the Makefile to use gcc -M instead of gccmakedep kills the dependency.  Otherwise, the package does not depend on xutils-dev to build.
[18:53] <bcurtiswx> slytherin: basically a place to start and maybe a guide?
[18:54] <slytherin> bcurtiswx: GTK is the GUI toolkit used by gnome. I believe gtk2.0-examples package contains sample codes using GTK.
[18:54] <slytherin> jander99: So either 1. Add build dep on xutils-dev or 2. Build using gcc -M, right?
[18:56] <jander99> slytherin: Correct.  In my opinion the better option in this case would be 2.  There isn't really a need to add another dependency if the requirement to build the package can just as easily be changed.
[18:56] <hyperair> slytherin: do you know of any good resources on building an ant build system?
[18:57] <slytherin> jander99: have you discussed this with Debian maintainer of the package. Because there are no changes to the package in Ubuntu.
[18:57] <slytherin> hyperair: Ant manual. http://ant.apache.org/manual/index.html
[18:58] <hyperair> slytherin: ooh thanks.
[18:59] <jander99> skytherin: I have not.  Since the build dependency on gccmakedep exists in the vanilla package I'm more inclined to contact the original maintainer, so the changes happen at the highest level.  Would that be the best solution?
[19:00] <slytherin> jander99: Of course.
[19:02] <jander99> slytherin: Okay, I'll email the vanilla maintainer and make a note in Launchpad.  On to the next bug. :)
[19:02] <jgoss> 0.
[19:10] <jander99> slytherin: I've opened a bug report to the vanilla maintainer for irqbalance.  What status should bug 125609 have now?
[19:10] <slytherin> jander99: leave the status as it is, add a bug watch for upstream bug.
[19:12] <micahg> slytherin: I think the status should be triaged then
[19:12] <micahg> if there's an upstream report
[19:12] <slytherin> I am not sure
[19:13] <micahg> jander99: let's discuss bug status in #ubuntu-bugs
[19:14] <jander99> slytherin: Thanks for your help today.  Much easier than trying to build a patch. New here, still learning.
[19:15] <slytherin> jander99: You are welcome. :-)
[20:31] <AnAnt> Hello, any REVUers available ?
[21:02] <directhex> depends. what is it?
[21:03] <fabrice_sp> directhex, too late: he's gone :-)
[21:03] <directhex> well, if he expects a REVU in 6 minutes, he's... mistaken
[21:05] <fabrice_sp> for sure
[21:05] <dyfet> well, if your looking for something to revu...
[21:06] <directhex> depends
[21:06] <dyfet> on? :)...
[21:08] <dyfet> I have http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/sipwitch and http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/ccscript pending, and there is some important things in the 389 directory project also pending for a long time...
[21:35] <Zhenech> bdrung, why does dust have xpms in the xfce theme? arent pngs or svgs better?
[21:36] <bdrung> Zhenech: don't know. pngs and svgs are better.
[21:37] <bdrung> Zhenech: but for so small images, it does not make any difference
[21:37] <Zhenech> see http://paste.debian.net/42157/
[21:38] <Zhenech> no idea, didnt look further
[21:38] <Zhenech> just though "XPMs?? wtf, isnt it dead?"
[21:40] <bdrung> Zhenech: the other xfce images are xpms, too?
[21:41] <Zhenech> hm, true :)
[21:41] <Zhenech> preparing build for upload tomorrow
[21:42] <Zhenech> so I dont have to torture my battery :)
[21:44] <MT-> I need some help....
[21:44] <MT-> I did apt-get source dmz-cursor-theme. I went into dmz-cursor-theme-0.4.1/DMZ-White/cursors. I can't open any of the images. I have no idea how and neither does the internet
[21:44] <MT-> perhaps a smart person in here knows that is beyond the internet?
[21:57] <Zhenech> bdrung, built, installed, tested, will upload  - no more nitpicks :)
[21:58] <bdrung> Zhenech: victor said: "I may be wrong, or the info outdated - but I got this from: http://www.xfce.org/xfwm4-theme-howto/"
[21:59] <Zhenech> mhh, will ask upstream how updtodate that is
[22:00] <bdrung> Zhenech: at the bottom there is something about pngs
[22:01] <Zhenech> aye
[22:01] <Zhenech> but thats about xfwm 4..0/4.2
[22:01] <Zhenech> we're at 4.6 now :)
[22:02] <Zhenech> as said, will ask as soon someone is awake over there :)
[22:09] <bdrung> Zhenech: i am already in contact with upstream.
[22:10] <Zhenech> i meant xfce upstream
[22:12] <bdrung> Zhenech: ok, let me know your results.
[22:13] <Zhenech> will do
[22:37] <RoAkSoAx> Hey guys one quick question. Only libraries should be built with -fPIC right?
[22:40] <hyperair> no, binaries can be compiled as well
[22:40] <hyperair> with fPIC i mean
[22:41] <RoAkSoAx> ok thanks ;)
[22:41] <hyperair> codelite's binaries are compiled with -fPIC, just for the record. =)
[22:42] <hyperair> according to gcc's manpage, fPIE is more suited to executables though
[22:42] <hyperair> unless i'm mistaken
[22:43] <RoAkSoAx> Ok. I'll take a look to the manpage. thanks
[22:43] <hyperair> on second thoughts, fPIE looks like a version of fPIC that only works on executables O_o
[22:44] <hyperair> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/hardened/hardened-toolchain.xml <-- this appears to say that fPIE breaks LD_PRELOAD
[22:46] <RoAkSoAx> i see