[03:48] <sacarlson> what path in git should I use to be able to pull the latiest at all time?  like git clone git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/?
[03:55] <CarlFK> sacarlson: "latest" isn't well defined.  do you want stable or dev?  if dev, then mainline or some experimantal branch.  if main, then ubuntu or linus's?  I think I can go on...  so what do you want?
[03:55] <sacarlson> I guess dev
[03:55] <sacarlson> I want the top master
[03:56] <sacarlson> or at least a path to it I can alway go back
[03:57] <sacarlson> I want to compare what I now run in a webcam driver ibmcam with all that ubuntu has or will have.   I already have the master from kernel.org I would like to compare ubuntu to that also
[03:57] <CarlFK> git clone git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-intrepid.git ubuntu-intrepid
[03:58] <CarlFK> that's what I have from when I was doing something... sounds like what you want.. maybe.
[03:58] <sacarlson> I thought we already have like maverick or something and beyond that
[03:58] <CarlFK> "...from when I was doing something"
[03:58] <sacarlson> and if new comes is I pull will that move from intrepid to maverik?
[03:59] <CarlFK> no.  but maverick is stable. dev is natty
[04:00] <sacarlson> but I thought releases were in alpha order  like abcd   intrepid is like I J K L M   maybe maverick dev would be above that?
[04:01] <CarlFK> what comes after M? :)
[04:01] <sacarlson> N?
[04:01] <CarlFK> yes.
[04:01] <CarlFK> and what does *N*atty begin with...
[04:02] <sacarlson> n
[04:02] <CarlFK> or are you still not understaning my git line?
[04:02] <CarlFK> I was trying to debug a kernel crash back in intrepid time.  so that was what I was pulling back then.
[04:03] <sacarlson> I don't see the N in your git line
[04:03] <CarlFK> dev is natty
[04:03] <CarlFK> today.
[04:03] <sacarlson> clone git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dev  ?
[04:04] <jk-> git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-natty.git
[04:04] <jk-> ^ sacarlson
[04:04] <sacarlson> ok good enuf
[04:04] <CarlFK> jk-: thanks.
[04:14] <sacarlson> jk-: CarlFK:  that was perfect just what I was looking for thanks you guys
[04:15] <CarlFK> cool.  sorry my help was confusing
[04:43] <crimsun> bjf[afk]: hmm, <IP_ADDRESS>, presumably?
[04:44] <crimsun> ^ RE: [Applied] Maverick update to <IP_ADDRESS> upstream stable release
[04:46] <bjf[afk]> crimsun, heh, yup
[08:49] <jjohansen> smb: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/684875
[08:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 684875 in linux (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Patch to Natty 2.6.37-virtual breaks non-EC2 users (affects: 1) (heat: 14)" [High,Confirmed]
[10:05] <rsajdok> Is there any guide, wiki page for kernel bug triage? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BugTriage/BugDay
[10:15] <Kano> hi apw , do you know when 37rc5 will be available in mainline
[12:06] <hrw> morning
[12:07] <hrw> can kernel maintainers give me opinion on bug 682681?
[12:07] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 682681 in linux (Ubuntu) "allow to build linux-source package only (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/682681
[12:09] <Kano> hrw: which arm system do you use?
[12:10] <hrw> Kano: now only pandaboard, have also beagleboard b7/c3 and several <armv7a ones
[12:12] <hrw> Kano: why you ask?
[12:12] <Kano> well tegra 2 would be interesting
[12:13] <ogra_ac> there is work going on in the #ac100 channel for porting it to at least .36
[12:14] <ogra_ac> and google has a branch too for chromeos on tegra2
[12:14] <ogra_ac> someone would have to make either of these upstreamable ;)
[12:14] <Kano> i am more interested in xbmc on a small system
[12:15] <ogra_ac> then i'd rather suggest a pandaboard
[12:15] <Kano> but of course a webbrowser + flash would be cool
[12:15] <ogra_ac> it has all codecs and 3D drivers available
[12:15] <hrw> panda also has unstable memory and slow usb bus
[12:16] <hrw> you get 1GB chip where <700MB works
[12:16] <ogra_ac> tegra 2 is a pain because nvidia pulled all important functions into a binary daemon
[12:16] <Kano> and those do not work?
[12:17] <ogra_ac> and the 3D driver only works with certain kernels (same goes for the X server, only for certain X releases)
[12:17] <Kano> i thought it had full openmax accelleration and there must be a xbmc branch for that
[12:17] <ogra_ac> panda comes with full oüpenmax support by default in ubuntu
[12:17] <ogra_ac> and is way way cheaper
[12:18] <Kano> did you try the openmax xbmc branch?
[12:18] <ogra_ac> beyond that tegra2 doesnt have any NEON support
[12:18] <ogra_ac> not yet, but we have a spec for a mediacenter edition on the panda for natty
[12:18] <ogra_ac> so it will be tested
[12:20] <Kano> nice, boxee, a xbmc clone will not use tegra 2 as they wanted first, they now use atom
[12:20] <ogra_ac> yep
[12:20] <cking> wonder what changed their mind?
[12:20] <ogra_ac> which is silly ... they should have taken omap4 from the beginning ;)
[12:21] <ogra_ac> cking, i would guess missing NEON and flash issues
[12:21] <cking> shame
[12:21] <hrw> ogra_ac: atom+ion gives you codecs and ability to run any OS
[12:21] <ogra_ac> hrw, yeah, and eats about 10x the power
[12:21] <ogra_ac> and needs a fan etc etc
[12:22] <cking> who want's a noisy box to watch video?
[12:22] <ogra_ac> atom users ;)
[12:22] <cking> it's 'cos they are used to a whirring sound back in the good old VHS and Betamax days
[12:22] <ogra_ac> hehe
[12:22] <Kano> Atom CE4100 is no ion
[12:23] <hrw> tomboy arghhhhh... looks like I will have to run internal wiki or something...
[12:23]  * ogra_ac recommends tiddlywiki
[12:35] <hrw> ogra_ac: save does not work in chromium
[12:39] <ogra_ac> ah, bad
[12:40]  * hrw -> strace tomboy
[13:54]  * cking wishes jimmy wales would stop nagging me every time I use wikipedia
[14:11] <JFo> or his cronies
[14:11] <JFo> their pleas are deafening in their silence
[14:11] <cking> yep
[14:24] <pgraner> JFo, where is your Ubuntu Kernel Hot Bugs by Team script located
[14:25] <JFo> pgraner, here: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/jfo/kernel-buglist-by-team.html
[14:25] <JFo> oh the script
[14:25] <JFo> one sec
[14:26] <JFo> here: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/canonical-qa-tracking
[14:26] <JFo> pgraner, ^
[14:26] <pgraner> JFo, bzr?
[14:26] <JFo> yessir
[14:26] <JFo> it is in the misc-scripts directory
[14:26]  * pgraner felt a little piece of him die with that statement
[14:26] <JFo> but I plan to move all of that over to our kteam-tools git branch
[14:27] <JFo> heh
[14:28] <pgraner> JFo, ok so you get manually generate the bug file list and feed it to the script?
[14:28] <JFo> yessir
[14:28] <JFo> currently
[14:30] <pgraner> JFo, ok
[14:36] <jdstrand> JFo: hi! so I just upgraded to the latest natty kernel and things are slightly strange. for one, music playback over the network (daap) is choppy and imap in evolution is slow. have you seen any network performance issues with 2.6.37-8.21?
[14:37] <jdstrand> JFo: in terms of bugs
[14:37] <JFo> jdstrand, I have not noticed any, but that doesn't mean there isn't any
[14:37] <JFo> let me have a look at the bugs
[14:37] <jdstrand> JFo: let me move one that I just filed with evolution over
[14:38] <jdstrand> JFo: rebooting into the maverick kernel 'fixed' it
[14:38] <JFo> excellent! thank you :)
[14:38] <jdstrand> JFo: bug #686584
[14:38] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 686584 in linux (Ubuntu) "IMAP message list regeneration is slow after deleting an email (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/686584
[14:39] <jdstrand> JFo: now, I had initially ubuntu-bug'd evolution, so it doesn't have the kernel bits attached. shall I do that?
[14:39] <JFo> jdstrand, yes, please :)
[14:39] <JFo> and thank you
[14:47] <jdstrand> JFo: ok, I apport-collected the bug and adjust the title and description to be more 'kernely'
[14:47] <jdstrand> s/adjust/adjusted/
[14:48] <JFo> jdstrand, thank you very much
[14:49] <jdstrand> sure thing
[15:24] <jdstrand> JFo: just so you don't waste time-- I invalidated that bug. I don't know what went wrong and need to investigate more
[15:24] <jdstrand> JFo: sorry for the noise
[15:24] <JFo> jdstrand, no worries
[15:24] <JFo> thanks for letting me know
[15:24]  * jdstrand nods
[15:25] <JFo> I'd be interested still in what you find
[16:06] <cking> bjf, wanna do the 1 hour kt meeting warning?
[16:06] <bjf> ##
[16:06] <bjf> ## Ubuntu Kernel Team Meeting - Today @ 17:00 UTC - #ubuntu-meeting
[16:06] <bjf> ##      agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[16:06] <bjf> ##
[16:16] <Sarvatt> anyone have any recommendations on which commits to start reverting from https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/natty-changes/2010-November/001282.html that might make grub stop loading after a reboot (but works on a cold boot)? 2.6.37-2.10 and earlier work fine, everything later hangs at the grub loading screen after rebooting on my i386 netbook. mainline kernels all work fine
[16:20] <tgardner> Sarvatt, its been busted since -2.10 ? thats a lot of kernels.
[16:21] <tgardner> the i386 specific patches seem like a good candidate for revert
[16:21] <Sarvatt> yeah, haven't been able to warm boot that thing in a long time and finally got around to looking at it
[16:22]  * Sarvatt nods
[16:22] <tgardner> likely anything with nx in the commit log
[16:22] <tgardner> fortunately, it looks like -2.10 to -3.11  wasn't an upstream rebase
[16:25] <cking> bjf, BTW, I think I fixed that fwts hang, it's in the PPA for testing.
[16:25] <Sarvatt> I manually edited the efi setup variables on this aspire one to enable NX since it didn't have the option in bios so might be my fault :) I just saw people also mentioning grub hanging early like I'm getting on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/683775
[16:25] <bjf> cking, cool
[16:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 683775 in linux (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Natty Alpha 1, i915 has blank screen after boot (affects: 12) (dups: 5) (heat: 92)" [High,Fix released]
[16:26] <tgardner> Sarvatt, you could try bisecting. there aren't that many patches between Ubuntu-2.6.37-2.10..Ubuntu-2.6.37-3.11
[16:36] <Sarvatt> doing that now, will file a bug on it
[16:36] <Sarvatt> thanks for the help
[16:39] <bjf> ##
[16:39] <bjf> ## Kernel team meeting in 20 minutes
[16:39] <bjf> ##
[16:53] <bjf> ##
[16:53] <bjf> ## Kernel team meeting in 5 minutes
[16:53] <bjf> ##
[17:06] <bjf> apw, about?
[17:10] <apw> bjf, am indeed now
[17:15]  * JFo goes for some lunch
[17:48] <sconklin> this is really interesting, probably required reading for any network geek https://gettys.wordpress.com/2010/12/06/whose-house-is-of-glasse-must-not-throw-stones-at-another/
[18:17] <GrueMaster> Someone please tell me an automated script misfired and I don't have to retest Bug #673504 yet again.
[18:17] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 673504 in linux-ti-omap4 (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "Pandaboard chooses a new IP address on each boot (affects: 2) (heat: 20)" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/673504
[18:19] <GrueMaster> This fix has been in proposed since Nov 17.  I tested it on Nov 23.  It should have been released to maverick-updates.
[18:21] <Sarvatt> tgardner: yep you were right, ed6f363a412661f45a1db9c3456db2f9d5057612 i386: NX emulation is the commit that broke warm boots on this netbook
[18:22] <tgardner> Sarvatt, hmm, kees might be interested in this
[18:23] <Sarvatt> updating the machine now and i'll file a bug on it
[18:23]  * kees scratches his head
[18:23] <JFo> GrueMaster, it fired because there is an open task (the main one which is normally meant for development)
[18:24] <JFo> if it isn't needed in Natty, I'd say you are ok
[18:24] <Sarvatt> it hangs on "GRUB loading..." unless I cold boot, kernel selection menu doesn't even pop up
[18:24] <GrueMaster> This is a separate kernel.
[18:24] <kees> Sarvatt: please subscribe me; NX emu hasn't changed in a few releases.
[18:24] <GrueMaster> I have already tested this in Maverick (and yes, it is needed in Natty).
[18:25] <JFo> looks like pitti wants verification for the one he built
[18:25] <JFo> per the last comment
[18:25] <GrueMaster> Natty is currently running 2.6.35-903.17 because 2.6.35-903.19 (with the fix) has been rotting in proposed.
[18:25] <JFo> hmmm
[18:25] <GrueMaster> IT HAS BEEN TESTED!
[18:25] <JFo> I'd defer to pitti on the what, where and why
[18:25] <JFo> as I am not in on his thought process
[18:26] <JFo> :)
[18:26] <GrueMaster> JFo: Not trying to yell at you directly.  Just pissed at the overall inefficiency of the release process.
[18:26] <kees> Sarvatt: which kernel are you talking about for ed6f363a412661f45a1db9c3456db2f9d5057612 ?
[18:27] <GrueMaster> I had to retest a couple of networking fixes in Lucid on other platforms 5 times before they were released.  Each retest was because they sat in -proposed until a security patch clobbered them before they were mainlined.
[18:27] <Sarvatt> kees: 2.6.37-2.10 is fine, everything after 2.6.37-3.11 hangs on a warm boot and it doesn't happen in the mainline kernels, I bisected between those two kernels and that was the bad commit
[18:28] <kees> Sarvatt: and this netbook can warmboot maverick's kernel?
[18:28] <kees> Sarvatt: also, I see that as a5f82c0456fa4f0bf55779c055006dfc18314615 not ed6f363a412661f45a1db9c3456db2f9d5057612
[18:28] <Sarvatt> yeah maverick's kernel is fine
[18:28] <JFo> GrueMaster, I understand :)
[18:29] <Sarvatt> http://paste.ubuntu.com/540721/ is the bisect log
[18:29] <kees> so strange. that whole patch just pokes at userspace limits.
[18:29] <JFo> <-errand bbiab
[18:32] <kees> Sarvatt: ah, and you started with Ubuntu-2.6.37-3.11
[18:32] <kees> and due to rebasing the commit SHAs are different. got it.
[18:32] <bjf> GrueMaster, I've fixed the tag on that bug and added a comment, that's all that needed to be done.
[18:33] <GrueMaster> Thanks, bjf.
[18:35] <bjf> Home: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/ || Maverick Kernel Version: 2.6.35 || Ubuntu Kernel Team Meeting - December-14 - 17:00 UTC || If you have a question just ask, and do wait around for an answer!
[18:35] <tgardner> bjf, methinks pitti's update scripts have run amok
[18:36] <GrueMaster> Great.  All we need is more mok's in the system.  :P
[18:37] <bjf> tgardner, thanks for the heads up, we'll get it straightened out
[18:37] <GrueMaster> While I understand that these scripts are designed to improve the kernel team's productivity, they can greatly increase the workload on others.  Maybe a review is in order?
[18:37] <bjf> sconklin-lunch, ^
[18:38] <bjf> GrueMaster, there are many scripts being run against LP not just kernel scripts
[18:38] <bjf> GrueMaster, these in particular belong to pitti and the SRU team
[18:39] <GrueMaster> ok.  Didn't know what team he was on.
[18:41] <GrueMaster> But I have been hit by other kernel team scripts in the past.
[18:41] <sbeattie> bjf: does the linux (not the ti-omap4) changelog reference 673504 for some reason? And why does the ti-omap4 changelog reference 673509?
[18:41] <bjf> GrueMaster, noted
[18:42] <sbeattie> (the reason I ask is because the changelog's what the SRU team's scripts look at)
[18:45] <sbeattie> the reason I ask is because, when pitti peruses http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html to see what's been verified and is safe to move from -proposed to -updates, unless 673509 gets verified, he'll hold off on promoting the ti-omap4 kernel.
[18:45] <bjf> sbeattie, i understand
[18:46] <sbeattie> when it seems that the only issue that affects 2.6.35-903.19 has been verified already, and it's sat for longer than 20 days, and so should probably be approved.
[18:46] <sbeattie> err, s/20 days/7 days/
[18:51] <bjf> sbeattie, it referenced those two bugs because the patch against the ti-omap4 branch referenced them as BugLinks
[18:52] <sbeattie> bjf: anyway, I'd approach pitti and point it out to him that the ti-omap4 kernel in -proposed can be promoted.
[18:55] <kees> Sarvatt: what hardware is the warmboot failure happening on? (or is that already in the bug report?)
[18:58] <Sarvatt> kees: it's an acer aspire one AOA150, just finished upgrading the 300something packages to file the bug
[18:59] <Sarvatt> it's a little special because the NX enable/disable options aren't exposed in the bios but I enabled the option manually via efi setup vars, can't disable it again without reflashing
[19:00] <Sarvatt> but I see people reporting a similar problem that might be related on other bugs (hangs at the GRUB loading screen in natty) so might not be isolated to this one
[19:01] <kees> Sarvatt: but you isolated this to the NX-emu code. It hasn't changed. :(
[19:03] <kees> Sarvatt: if you're booting 32bit -3.11, you shouldn't have my forced NX on fixes, so we should only be dealing with the nx-emu patch
[19:03] <kees> Sarvatt: then the variables are the NX bit itself, really.
[19:04] <kees> Sarvatt: are you booting -generic or -generic-pae ?
[19:12]  * tgardner --> lunch
[19:14] <Sarvatt> kees: -generic only, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/686705
[19:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 686705 in linux (Ubuntu) "System hangs at GRUB loading screen every warm boot since 2.6.37-3.11 (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New]
[19:17] <JFo> entirely wrong menu option selected :)
[19:19] <GrueMaster> JFo: Pie wasn't on the menu.  :P
[19:19] <JFo> unfortunately no :-(
[19:20] <JFo> and I looked everywhere
[19:20] <JFo> :)
[19:42] <Sarvatt> kees: would seeing if it happens on generic-pae be a useful data point?
[19:43] <kees> Sarvatt: for -3.11, it would, yes.
[19:55] <Sarvatt> kees: 2.6.37-3.11 generic-pae works
[19:55] <Sarvatt> so does 2.6.37-8-generic-pae
[19:58] <kees> Sarvatt: okay, well, that supports the idea that the NX-emu patch is bad. I still don't understand how it's different from maverick yet.
[19:59] <kees> Sarvatt: I added another comment to the bug; can you verify the "nx-test" behavior for -3.11 -generic and -generic-pae ?
[19:59] <Sarvatt> sure thing, on it now
[19:59] <kees> Sarvatt: I'm suspecting the fastsyscall use, but again, that didn't change from maverick, and I don't see how that would stop a warmboot. *scratch head*
[20:18] <ilmari> how do i compile just a single module (i915) for my current kernel from a patched ubuntu kernel tree?
[20:18] <ilmari>  I've checked out the tag corresponding to my currently running kernel, copied /boot/config-$(uname -r) to .config and run make LOCALVERSION= EXTRAVERSION=-23-generic drivers/gpu/drm/i915/i915.ko
[20:19] <ilmari> then I copied that to /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/... and did update-initramfs, but on reboot it refuses to load, complaining "i915: no symbol version for module_layout"
[20:51] <kees> tgardner: so, I'm at a loss on bug 686705. the only other thing I can think of is to build a kernel with natty's nx-emu reverted and put in maverick's nx-emu back in. the only thing that changed was the use of disable_nx, but I don't see anything wrong with it on visual inspecition between the two patches.
[20:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 686705 in linux (Ubuntu) "System hangs at GRUB loading screen every warm boot since 2.6.37-3.11 seemingly due to nx-emu patch (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/686705
[20:52] <tgardner> kees, I'll look in a bit.
[20:55]  * ilmari resorts to building the entire kernel
[20:56] <ilmari> eek: temp1:       +96.0°C  (crit = +100.0°C)
[20:56] <ilmari> ah, at 97°C the fan sped up and promptly got it down to 90°C
[20:59] <ilmari> also, the CPU got throttled from "turbo mode" to 1.2GHz (it's nominally 2GHz)
[21:31]  * jjohansen -> lunch
[21:36] <tgardner> kees, doesn't seem like there is anything in that NX patch that would be affected by a warm boot.
[21:37] <kees> tgardner: my thoughts exactly. :(
[21:41] <tgardner> kees, its likely some BIOS issue. Sarvatt did say he'd been hacking on it to get NX enabled. I wonder if we could get anything info by booting with earlyprintk=vga ?
[21:42] <tgardner> anything-->anymore
[21:45] <kees> tgardner: ironically, he didn't need to do anything to get hw NX enabled since my NX unmasking patch is in the later natty kernels.
[21:45] <kees> (and other people with similar ASUSes reported success with it)
[21:46] <tgardner> kees, huh.
[21:48] <Sarvatt> I was going to live with that but ran across comments like this one in another bug making me think it might be more widespread so I put what I found out there  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/683775/comments/21 (this person has the opposite experience that I do though)
[21:48] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 683775 in linux (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Natty Alpha 1, i915 has blank screen after boot (affects: 12) (dups: 5) (heat: 92)" [High,Fix released]
[22:02] <apw> kees, do we 'undo' the nx-emu protection?  restore the segments before calling reboot?  perhaps they are surviving the warmboot on this system ... we do use a variety of reboot methods on different h/w for warmboot
[22:03] <kees> apw: there's nothing really to undo, iiuc -- it's just the cs limit. but no, there's nothing that undoes it before reboot.
[22:03] <apw> kees, and the grub behaviour is different on natty as it is trying to go into graphics mode so we may need to call an option rom we do not on maverick
[22:04] <kees> oh... well that's interesting.
[22:04] <kees> would cs limit affect that?
[22:04] <apw> kees, so if the warmboot on this machine doesn't restore them it may leave us with much of memory not executable in ring0 or somethign right?
[22:05] <kees> apw: well, dunno about ring0, I thought the cs limit would just trigger in ring3.
[22:05] <kees> apw: where is the common "rebooting now" function? we could add something there maybe...
[22:07] <apw> kees, may be worth finding out if Sarvatt is fixed by using gfxmode=text (or whatever it is) as that reverts us more to the maverick boot sequence
[22:07] <apw> (thats a grub option)
[22:07] <kees> I will add that to the bug, excellent.
[22:08] <kees> hm, not sure it's gfxmode=text, still looking
[22:09] <apw> kees, its set gfxpayload=text in grub
[22:09] <kees> oh, not  set linux_gfx_mode=text
[22:09] <apw> that variable ends up in the otehr onem, so i think either
[22:10] <kees> okay, will add
[22:10] <apw> kees, he'll prolly need to do that in the /etc/grub/default somehow
[22:11] <apw> kees, likely he will know how, its a common debug technique right now
[22:11]  * apw wanders off to watch some DS9
[22:12] <Sarvatt> this is with gfxpayload=text
[22:13] <kees> Sarvatt: ah, where do you use that? all I could find was /etc/default/grub GRUB_TERMINAL=console
[22:14] <Sarvatt> GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=text
[22:14] <Sarvatt> it's in my grub.cfg with that in /etc/default/grub
[22:15] <kees> okay. well... dang. that rules that out.
[22:36] <ilmari> if anyone can point me in the right direction regarding how to build individual patched drivers for a specific ubuntu kernel I'd love to write up a wiki page about it
[22:37] <ilmari> even just rm debian/stamps/stamp-build-generic && fakeroot debian/rules binary-generic takes far too long when only one driver is changed
[22:37] <ilmari> ignoring the initial build which takes yonks and gigabytes


[23:40] <scudco_w> micahg1: whenever i unlock my computer caps lock goes back to being caps lock
[23:40] <lordlouis1> excelent :)
[23:40] <micahg1> scudco_w: as in screensaver?
[23:40] <scudco_w> no as in Ctrl+Alt+L
[23:41] <Arthur_> i just installed 8.10 dual boot with 8.04 on my laptop. i conect to the internet using my CDMA sprint card. after install i try to conect using the auto conect my modem is on Modem = /dev/ttyUSB1 acording to gnome-pp auto detect and i get wvdial to conect but when i use the auto conect feature it seems to be looking for ttyUSB0 there is no auto detect modem in network manager? and there is no way to manually edit it? so now how do i tell th
[23:41] <micahg1> what does Ctrl+Alt+L do in ubuntu?
[23:41] <lordlouis1> well, i have a question, is there an command-line application that allow to upload documents to googledocs?
[23:41] <lordlouis1> micahg1: that command locks the screen
[23:41] <munkh> hello
[23:42] <keffie_jayx> can anyone give me some help withUbuntu NEtbook Remix
[23:42]  * micahg1 is leaving due to lack of knowledge
[23:42] <lavagolemking> michahg1: Ctrl+Alt+L locks your screen.
[23:42] <keffie_jayx> I am trying to get it to work without using gnome-panel
[23:42] <ashu> hi
[23:42] <keffie_jayx> it seems gnome-panel is still actively using the desktop
[23:43] <_DEL> !test
[23:43] <keffie_jayx> so when I open an app it breaks the netbook-launcher app
[23:43] <ashu> i have problem with my laptop detecting camera connected through firewire
[23:43] <_DEL> solexious|netbk, hold Alt, grab the window and move it, is that what you are talking about?
[23:43] <scudco_w> so anyone else know how to permanently map caps lock to Esc
[23:43] <Guest33605> Hey there
[23:43] <ashu> i am not able to get the video...
[23:43] <Guest33605> why do my updates fail?
[23:44] <Arthur_> i just installed 8.10 dual boot with 8.04 on my laptop. i conect to the internet using my CDMA sprint card. after install i try to conect using the auto conect my modem is on Modem = /dev/ttyUSB1 acording to gnome-pp auto detect and i get wvdial to conect but when i use the auto conect feature it seems to be looking for ttyUSB0 there is no auto detect modem in network manager? and there is no way to manually edit it? so now how do i tell th
[23:44] <ashu> i am using ubuntu and my pc is lenovo Y530..
[23:44] <EvilAIM> guest, maybe the reps are over used atm
[23:44] <EvilAIM> guest, try changing the location of your repo
[23:44] <keffie_jayx> I read in the iki abor the llok and feel section., that I need to configure gnome-panel to mimic the standar UNR setup but wht does that mean?
[23:44] <Guest33605> repo?
[23:44] <TATANKA> hi, i unblock services settings and deselected kdm and my login window doent work anymore, can somebody help me please?
[23:44] <ashu> anybody faced te same issue?
[23:45] <Guest33605> change the channel?
[23:45] <keffie_jayx> if anyone can give me a hand it would be awesome https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UNR
[23:45] <Guest33605> Okay, I used to get updates and they would run, now they dont
[23:45] <Guest33605> so what do I do
[23:45] <munkh> come help me
[23:46] <Guest33605> anyone?
[23:46] <sstoveld> hey guys, linux newb here, can anyone give me a hand with vsftpd?
[23:46] <Guest33605> no one?
[23:46] <solexious|netbk> _DEL, yes, that what i mean
[23:46] <Guest33605> I barely got on here....
[23:46] <Ghabit_> Advise me please, I doubt which of ubuntu to install 32 or 64 bit?
[23:46] <Guest33605> SO why are my updates failing?
[23:46] <oCean_> Guest33605: Do you want us to guess what is wrong? It might be helpful when you share some details. What are you trying to do, which way, and very important, what are the error messages you get
[23:47] <solexious|netbk> _DEL, but when the windows reaches the top of my screen it stops
[23:47] <Ienorand> what is the package for the volume control app called?
[23:47] <oCean_> !patience | Guest33605
[23:47] <Arthur_> anyone know about the network manager in 8.10 its looking for my cdma card on USB0 but my modem is on USB1
[23:47] <solexious|netbk> _DEL, mouse keeps moving up but the window stays still
[23:47] <lordlouis1> Guest33605: have you tried apt-get upgrade?
[23:47] <TATANKA> please help, i have been looking and find nothing on forums :( my newbie on ubuntu and really need help
[23:47] <sstoveld> im having a problem with vsftpd. when i try to start it up using 'sudo vsftpd' i ger this error: 500 OOPS: could not bind listening IPv4 socket
[23:47] <Guest33605> I dont know how to do any of that
[23:47] <ratdeimos> ,k
[23:48] <lordlouis1> Guest33605: in a terminal, type sudo apt-get upgrade
[23:48] <solexious|netbk> !ask TATANKA
[23:48] <Guest33605> Okay, will do...sorry about my impatience
[23:48] <lordlouis1> Guest33605: got it?
[23:48] <TATANKA> hi, i unblock services settings and deselected kdm and my login window doent work anymore, can somebody help me please?
[23:48] <munkh> how activing yahoo messenger
[23:48] <basti> sstoveld, dont run it as root
[23:48] <munkh> tady mate czech
[23:49] <wubi_pain> Can anyone please help me to unhork a Wubi install with a corrupted boot.ini file?
[23:49] <erUSUL> TATANKA: do this on terminal « sudo update-rc.d kdm defaults »
[23:49] <oCean_> sstoveld: it sounds like something is already running on ftp port (21) be it vsftpd, or an other running ftp server
[23:49] <erUSUL> TATANKA: that would add kdm again to services
[23:49] <Arthur_> i just installed 8.10 dual boot with 8.04 on my laptop. i conect to the internet using my CDMA sprint card. after install, i try to connect using the auto connect my CDMA card is on Modem = /dev/ttyUSB1 acording to gnome-ppp auto detect and i get wvdial to connect, but when i use the auto connect feature it seems to be looking for ttyUSB0,,, there is no auto detect modem in network manager? and there is no way to manually edit it? so now ho
[23:49] <solexious|netbk> How can I allow windows to go above the top of the screen? When they get there the window stops moving
[23:49] <sstoveld> basti, when i dont start as root i get this: 500 OOPS: could not bind listening IPv4 socket
[23:49] <TATANKA> let me try erUSUL, thanks
[23:49] <Guest33605> here is what I get
[23:49] <Guest33605> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[23:49] <Guest33605> mick@ubuntu84:~$ dpkg --configure -a
[23:49] <Guest33605> dpkg: requested operation requires superuser privilege
[23:49] <Guest33605> mick@ubuntu84:~$
[23:50] <FloodBot2> Guest33605: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:50] <oCean_> Guest33605: that means that you have to start your command with "sudo"
[23:50] <erUSUL> Guest33605: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[23:50] <sstoveld> oCean_, is there a built in ftp client that runs automatically? this is pretty much a fresh install. im on 9.04 alpha 6
[23:50] <Guest33605> ah
[23:50] <Arthur_> is there a bug zilla channel?
[23:50] <erUSUL> sstoveld: wget can do ftp and lftp is installed by default iirc
[23:51] <oCean_> sstoveld: not that I am aware of. But: all jaunty discussions/issues belong in #ubuntu+1 channel, since it is still beta release
[23:51] <oCean_> sstoveld: just a hint to check: run "sudo netstat -anp | grep 21" to see what program is listening on port 21
[23:53] <Arthur_> i just installed 8.10 dual boot with 8.04 on my laptop. i conect to the internet using my CDMA sprint card. after install i try to conect using the auto conect my modem is on Modem = /dev/ttyUSB1 acording to gnome-pp auto detect and i get wvdial to conect but when i use the auto conect feature it seems to be looking for ttyUSB0 there is no auto detect modem in network manager? and there is no way to manually edit it? so now how do i tell th
[23:54] <Guest33605> looks like that worked.  So sudo eh?  would be nice if the error said that.  It says everything else...thanks a bunch...looks like the updates are running now.
[23:54] <sstoveld> oCean_, lol, i get a big long list of stuff after that command. btw, its not really a jaunty issue i dont believe. i just need to do some basic work with vsftpd for a class assignment
[23:54] <thewrath> how do i bcakup my private keys and move themt o another machine?
[23:54] <TATANKA> erUSUL: it says that the link already exist :S
[23:55] <lordlouis1> Guest33605: when the optput says something like "you need administrator privileges to..." that seems to need sudo
[23:55] <lordlouis1> to work
[23:55] <vjacob> what kind of processor type should be chosen when compiling a kernel on an intel atom cpu?
[23:55] <erUSUL> TATANKA: then kdm should start when the system boots
[23:55] <Guest33605> good to know....guess you can tell I am not a linux genius...thanks for your patience
[23:55] <TATANKA> erUSUL: ok rebootin hope it works now :D
[23:55] <lordlouis1> regardless
[23:55] <kozhy> somebody with a macbook 3.1 and .config file ?
[23:55] <Droopsta915> Is there other websites like Linux Outlaws?
[23:56] <wubi_pain> Can anyone please help me to unhork a Wubi install with a corrupted boot.ini file?
[23:56] <erUSUL> vjacob: is not there an option for atom? if not choose generic x86
[23:56] <Guest33605> quit: Leaving
[23:57] <vjacob> erusul: currently the kernel i'm compiling is set for pentium-m
[23:57] <Huufarted> Can someone else check wiki.compiz-fusion.org?  The page is blank for me.  Anybody else?
[23:57] <TATANKA> erUSUL: didnt work :( again i have the text login
[23:57] <Gnea> wubi_pain: not until you post some details on the problem
[23:57] <oCean_> sstoveld: yeah, you'' have to browse through the output to find (somewhere in upper lines) some listening process, where in 3rd field it says <your_ip>:21. Or just look for "ftp"
[23:57] <vjacob> erusul: currently the kernel i'm compiling is set for pentium-m
[23:58] <wubi_pain> Gnea: That is the problem.  What more do you want to know?
[23:58] <Gnea> wubi_pain: no, that's a symptom. the problem is with boot.ini and anything that's going wrong.
[23:58] <kozhy> somebody with a macbook 3.1 (santa rosa) and .config file ? my kernel dont work
[23:58] <Gnea> wubi_pain: in order to get help here, you need to provide detail - not the other way around. :)
[23:59] <wubi_pain> Gnea: I can't tell you anthing more about boot.ini, because I can't find it.
[23:59] <sstoveld> oCean_, i dont seem to see anything relating to port 21 or ftp
[23:59] <Gnea> wubi_pain: so, if I understand you correctly, you're saying you can't boot the system off of the hard drive at all?


[00:54] <colinmarc> Hi, I'm getting a complete system crash whenever mdadm tries to recover or create a raid array. When I try in recovery mode there is a call trace, but it is missing from the logs
[00:57] <colinmarc> any ideas?
[00:59] <jk-> colinmarc: do you get the call trace reported in the 'dmesg' output ?
[01:01] <colinmarc> I'm not sure
[01:01] <colinmarc> it doesn't say, and it's not present in any of hte logs
[01:01] <colinmarc> the*
[01:02] <colinmarc> btw... I'm running 9.04 x64 (I'm not in the wrong room am I?)
[01:02] <jk-> colinmarc: no, this chan is the right one.
[01:03] <jk-> just run 'dmesg', it'll dump the contents of the kernel log
[01:03] <colinmarc> I just reproduced the error, it reads like [    65.XXXXXX] [<ffffxxxxxxx>] etc
[01:03] <colinmarc> well it doesn't let me type or enter anything once the error happens
[01:03] <jk-> ah.
[01:03] <jk-> can you get a photo of the screen?
[01:04] <mase_wk_> colinmarc: can you enable serial output on the machine ?
[01:04] <colinmarc> hmm... let me try. It might be a minute
[01:04] <colinmarc> for the picture. what do you mean, serial output?
[01:05] <jk-> colinmarc: serial cable connection to another computer
[01:05] <mase_wk_> the kernel will be able to output its logging via serial
[01:05] <mase_wk_> you can connect to it with minicom or by cat /dev/ttyx
[01:06] <mase_wk_> though i would suggest minicom
[01:06] <colinmarc> hm. I imagine I would need my desktop for that and it's a windows machine and also disassembled right now. Also I don't know if I have the correct cables or anything
[01:07] <colinmarc> but I'm taking a picture...
[01:07] <mase_wk_> i'm having some problems building a kernel package on 8.04 which will automatically run update-initramfs. I am passing the --initrd flag to make-kpkg
[01:07] <mase_wk_> is there something else I need to do ?
[01:07] <mase_wk_> colinmarc: ok
[01:09] <colinmarc> alright, I've got a picture. Can I send it through irc?
[01:10] <jk-> colinmarc: maybe file a bug, and attach the screenshot?
[01:10] <colinmarc> erm
[01:11] <mase_wk_> I've also tried setting the environment variable but that doesn't seem to make it either.
[01:11] <colinmarc> let me put it up on imageshack
[01:13] <colinmarc> http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/7349/img4876o.jpg that's the entire screen
[01:13] <colinmarc> no cursor at the bottom or anything
[01:13] <colinmarc> okay, not the entire screen, but almost
[01:13] <colinmarc> it's a projector which is why there's no border or anything
[01:14] <jk-> colinmarc: can you scroll up at all? (chift+pgup?)
[01:14] <colinmarc> nope
[01:24] <colinmarc> I thought it might be a sata controller bug, but it's just intel ICH7 as far as I know and it's switched to AHCI
[01:30] <jk-> apw / ogasawara: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/394371 looks fixed?
[01:30] <ubot3> Malone bug 394371 in linux "boot failure after 2.6.31 kernel upgrade" [High,Incomplete]
[01:33] <ogasawara> jk-: indeed, I'll get it cleaned up
[01:36] <colinmarc> so, am I out of luck?
[01:37] <jk-> colinmarc: i think a serial console would help us a lot here
[01:37] <jk-> other options are to try a more recent kernel; what are you using at the moment?
[01:38] <colinmarc> the latest 9.04
[01:38] <colinmarc> err, I'd check btu I'm currently fscking
[01:38] <colinmarc> whichever is on the download page right now
[01:38] <jk-> sure, ok
[01:44] <colinmarc> 2.6.28
[01:53] <DanaG> oh yeah, so the go7007 in upstream seems to be broken.
[01:53] <DanaG> build fail: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.32-rc1/BUILD.LOG
[01:55] <DanaG> Might be good to disable it.
[02:03] <mase_wk_> is there a mailing list for the ubuntu kernel ?
[02:04] <DanaG> yeah, I think there is one somewhere.  I just prefer to use either IRC or gmane.
[02:06] <mase_wk_> yeh i normally like irc but i'm having some issues that no one seems to know the answer to so i thought i'd post to the list rather
[02:08] <DanaG> I think the wiki thing in /topic has a link to the mailing list.
[02:08] <mase_wk_> your right , found it thanks
[05:10] <joshua__> hi all
[05:12] <joshua__> I'm taking a introduction to Operating Systems class and would like to modify the pid_t fork(void) system call as an experiment
[07:32] <micahg> would an ipod not mounting be a kernel bug?
[07:39] <amitk_> micahg: that would depend on what dmesg is saying.
[07:41] <micahg> I have bug 434295
[07:41] <ubot3> Malone bug 434295 in ubuntu "Ipod won't mount in 9.04" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/434295
[07:52] <amitk_> micahg: that bug doesn't have much information. Could you run 'apport-collect -p linux 434295' ?
[07:53] <amitk_> micahg: or actually 'apport-collect -p linux-image-`uname -r` 434295'
[07:53] <amitk_> More info here -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/KernelTeamBugPolicies
[07:54] <micahg> amitk_: sorry, it's not my bug, I was attempting to move it to the proper package
[07:54] <micahg> I can post the request in the bug though
[07:56] <amitk_> micahg: that bug doesn't have any info to help fix the bug except that ipod mount doesn't work. And the fact that the ipod shows up as storage and then disappears seems to indicate something else..
[08:00] <micahg> amitk_: ok, I'll leave it for someone else with broader knowledge to figure out then
[08:01] <amitk_> micahg: it is a good idea for him to run that command though, to collect the necessary info
[08:03] <micahg> Thanks, I'll add it to the bug report.
[09:53] <amitk_> apw: Can we update the firmware for the rt2870 from http://www.ralinktech.com.tw/support.php?s=2 ? There is a potentially newer version of firmware in the RT3070USB(RT307x) driver on the page (newer date, larger file size)
[09:53] <amitk_> apw: how can I tell if the firmware doesn't regress the older cards?
[09:54] <smb> amitk_, I am not sure he can hear you
[09:54] <amitk_> smb: he went deaf?
[09:55] <smb> amitk_, Not exactly just on vacation
[09:55] <amitk_> smb: ohh. All week?
[09:55] <smb> No, supposed to be back tomorrow
[09:55] <amitk_> ack
[09:56] <smb> amitk_, But my feeling would be that firmware update might regress older cards. Depends on how the driver decides to pull it in.
[09:56] <smb> Some load different firmware versions for different hw
[09:57] <amitk_> smb: the file name is the same. But the "newer" one is shipped with a different driver with a newer date.
[09:58] <smb> amitk_, That feels a bit risky. But that is just a guess
[13:41] <amitk_> rtg: hi! Got a firmware question.
[13:42] <rtg> amitk: shoot
[13:42] <amitk_> Can we update the firmware for the rt2870 from http://www.ralinktech.com.tw/support.php?s=2 ? There is a potentially newer version of firmware in the RT3070USB(RT307x) driver on the page (newer date, larger file size)
[13:42] <amitk_> rtg: how can I tell if the firmware doesn't regress the older cards?
[13:43] <rtg> amitk: AFAIK testing is the only way. Can you get ant info from RT ?
[13:43] <amitk_> do you have a contact there.
[13:43] <amitk_> ?
[13:43] <rtg> not me.
[13:43] <rtg> amitk: how about one of our OEM team mates?
[13:45] <amitk_> let me ask about...
[14:28] <ericm> some one reported a failure to detect SMP with recent karmic kernel on AMD 4800+ x2
[14:28] <ericm> do that have any relationship with apic?
[14:29] <ericm> I seem to remember with hardy I'll have to explicitly add "noapic" to boot a kernel on my AMD 4000+ x2
[15:09] <JFo> ogasawara: I had the suspicion about the latest Karmic in those two, but I wanted to make sure the mainline build info was in there. Is that wrong?
[15:13] <JFo> manjo!
[15:14] <manjo> JFo, hi!
[15:14] <JFo> howdy
[15:14] <manjo> hello sir
[15:15] <JFo> how are you?
[15:15] <manjo> doing ok.. and you ?
[15:15] <JFo> sorry I completely forgot to get you another cigar before I left Atlanta
[15:15] <JFo> not too bad :)
[15:15] <manjo> :) not a problem ... pete is around in austin now
[15:16] <JFo> brb, need to step outside for a minute
[15:21] <JFo> back
[15:22] <JFo> yeah, you guys have fun in Austin :)
[15:22] <manjo> did not get a chance to meet him
[15:22] <JFo> you didn't?
[15:23] <manjo> nope ... probably he is pretty busy & tired from all the travel
[15:23] <JFo> I thought you worked with him :-P
[15:23] <manjo> heh
[15:23] <JFo> yeah, he does travel alot
[15:24] <manjo> you left atlanta right before the floods :)
[15:31] <JFo> I know, good timing on my part :)
[15:32] <JFo> One of my colleagues I met in San Francisco is from there. He sisn't even know it was happening until I told him
[15:32] <JFo> didn't*
[15:50] <bjf> **
[15:50] <bjf> ** Ubuntu Kernel Team Meeting - Today @ 17:00 UTC - #ubuntu-meeting
[15:50] <bjf> **
[16:03] <ogasawara> JFo: I'll preparing an email back to ya about the 5 bugs you triaged, i'll send it in a bit
[16:13] <akgraner_> ping ogasawara
[16:31] <JFo> no problem ogasawara
[17:08] <gioele> hello
[17:09] <gioele> What is the meaning of SAUCE, found in a few place in linux-image change logs?
[17:10] <smb> gioele, Usually marks patches that are specific to the ubuntu kernel (iow not gone upstream)
[17:13] <gioele> smb: I see. Is is an initialism or an acronym of anything?
[17:14] <smb> gioele, Not so much, just making the stew more tasty with sauce ;-)
[17:14] <gioele> :)
[17:24] <rtg> smb, its short for 'special sauce'
[17:24] <smb> rtg, :) Ok, for me any sauce is good
[17:38] <ogasawara> akgraner: oops, missed your ping earlier
[17:38] <ogasawara> akgraner: let me know if you need something
[17:43] <JFo> ogasawara: thanks for the feedback
[17:44] <ogasawara> JFo: np, definitely fwd any other bugs you want reviewed
[17:44] <JFo> certainly
[17:44] <JFo> maybe soon you won't have to check behind me :-P
[19:12] <smoser> hey all,
[19:13] <smoser> the acpiphp.ko module is required for hotplug support in kvm guests (bug 364916)
[19:13] <ubot3> Malone bug 364916 in linux "When running Ubuntu as an Eucalyptus VM instance, module acpiphp is not available to be loaded, complicating the use EBS volume" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/364916
[19:13] <smoser> is there a way that this module could be automatically loaded?
[19:14] <rtg> smoser, I think you'll have to insmod it via initramfs
[19:14] <smoser> note, i'm not interested in /etc/modules or /etc/initramfs-tools/modules, but rather in the module being magically loaded when necessary across the board (similar to how I vaguely understood that e1000.ko is loaded)
[19:15] <smoser> that make sense ?
[19:16] <smoser> we definitely *can* modify our initramfs for uec and/or our vmbuilder output images. but a broader solution would be for that module to automatically load when running on "hardware" that supported it
[19:17] <rtg> smoser, there doesn't seem to be anything in the driver that will trigger loading
[19:17] <rtg> smoser, I think I could build it into the kernel.
[19:20] <smoser> rtg, what would you think about that ? is that something reasonable ?
[19:21] <rtg> smoser, yes, its quite reasonable for the ec2 kernel. I'm just trying to figure out how acpiphp gets built at all.
[19:21] <smoser> not relavant for ec2. only for uec (-virtual: -generic-pae or -server)
[19:22] <rtg> smoser, oh, that explains it. I'll have to look a bit closer at the server. dunno if I can build it in for sure.
[19:22] <smoser> ec2 does this via some other xenish hotplug mechanism (i'm not quite sure). acpiphp is how kvm does it
[19:26] <rtg> smoser, I think you're gonna have to go the initramfs route.
[19:27] <smoser> i accept your answer, but just curious, why not build in?
[19:31] <rtg> smoser, regression potential for existing platforms. its kind of a major hunk of code to impose at this late date.
[19:31] <smoser> fair enough
[20:17] <MyXelf_> hello
[20:19] <MyXelf_> can please somebody look at bug 435917
[20:19] <ubot3> Malone bug 435917 in linux "BUG: scheduling while atomic: swapper - using ppp [kernel 2.6.31-10.35-generic]" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/435917
[20:22] <rtg> MyXelf_, looking
[20:22] <MyXelf_> thanks
[20:26] <rtg> MyXelf_, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/435917/comments/4
[20:26] <ubot3> Malone bug 435917 in linux "BUG: scheduling while atomic: swapper - using ppp [kernel 2.6.31-10.35-generic]" [Undecided,New]
[20:45] <rtg> smb, still around? have you seen anything like bug #435917 ?
[20:45] <ubot3> Malone bug 435917 in linux "BUG: scheduling while atomic: swapper - using ppp [kernel 2.6.31-10.35-generic]" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/435917
[20:45] <rtg> I have memories of something like this in Jaunty
[20:46] <smb> rtg, Only partially. Hm, not immediatly...
[20:46] <rtg> smb, look at the end of the dmesg
[20:46] <MyXelf_> i can't tell for sure, but it never happened in jaunty
[20:47] <MyXelf_> at least the frozen system
[20:49] <smb> rtg, Yes, I vaguely remember having seen something like this before. But cannot recall whether we came to a solution
[20:49] <rtg> smb, I'm gonna mark it as a regression so it stays on the radar
[20:50] <smb> rtg, Yeah, and maybe assign it to me, too.
[20:50] <rtg> smb, doen
[20:50] <rtg> done*
[20:51] <smb> rtg, ok
[20:51] <rtg> smb, do you know how to tag a bug? The LP options keep moving around
[20:52] <smb> a sec
[20:53] <smb> Its another of these little yellow fellows. I'd put regression-potential into it, if that is ok for you
[20:53] <rtg> smb, thats exactly what I was looking for. thanks.
[20:54] <smb> rtg, done. These little buttons are somewhat easy to overlook
[20:55] <MyXelf_> smb, rtg: can i do anything else to be of help?
[20:55] <rtg> maybe after the 4th or 5th time you remind me, I'll start to remember
[20:55] <rtg> smb, ^^
[20:55] <smb> MyXelf_, Not atm. I must get my head into it tomorrow
[20:56] <rtg> MyXelf_, your bug should get some attention later this week. I've milestoned it for release
[20:58] <MyXelf_> wow, that's awesome
[20:58] <MyXelf_> thanks both of you
[20:59] <rysiek|pl> hi guys
[20:59] <rysiek|pl> any living souls around?
[21:00] <rysiek|pl> anybody heard about -ck's BFS?
[21:00]  * rysiek|pl teases. probably everybody here has heard about that
[21:00] <rtg> rysiek|pl, I've read Ingo's responses.
[21:00] <rysiek|pl> rtg: to the new -ck's scheduler? where?
[21:01] <rtg> LKML
[21:01] <rtg> there was quite a flurry a couple of weeks ago when Colin initially announced it.
[21:02] <rysiek|pl> rtg: care to sum-up in a sentence? I'd rather not digging through LKML
[21:02] <rtg> it ain't ready for prime time.
[21:02] <ali1234> cyanogenmod for g1 uses bfs
[21:02] <ali1234> i think that's the only place real users are using it yet
[21:03] <rysiek|pl> rtg: that we all know. question is: a). is there a chance guys at kernel.org will ever consider pluggable schedulers; b). are there any other reasons (besides code maturity and doesnt-scale-to-4096-cores) not to use it?
[21:04] <rtg> rysiek|pl, frankly, you'll have to ask Ingo et al those questions.
[21:04] <rysiek|pl> rtg: ok, thanks; thought you might had that covered ;)
[21:04] <rtg> I've zero exposure to it
[21:04]  * rysiek|pl 's gotta test the bugger
[21:05] <rysiek|pl> I suppose this question had to come up here already, but what the hey
[21:06] <rysiek|pl> any chances on including -ck/BFS in ubuntu? as a testing kernel maybe?
[21:06] <rtg> rysiek|pl, pretty unlikely unless it gets into staging or something.
[21:07] <rysiek|pl> mhm
[21:07] <rysiek|pl> and any other scheduler, for that matter?
[21:07] <rtg> rysiek|pl, same criteria
[21:09] <rysiek|pl> right
[21:09] <rysiek|pl> thanks
[21:12] <ali1234> rysiek|pl: i live in hope that someone will make a ppa for it
[21:12] <ali1234> actually there's already a ppa but no packages in it yet
[21:13] <rysiek|pl> interesting
[21:14] <rysiek|pl> gotta look into that
[21:14] <rysiek|pl> ali1234: maybe you know how hard/time consuming is setting-up a ppa?
[21:15] <ali1234> no, i've no idea, sorry. i know how time consuming a kernel bisect is though :/


[03:31] <kline> someone might want to revert that and consider setting +t (only ops can set topic)
[03:35]  * tsimonq2 's personal opinion is to only set +t if it happens again, I'd like (as a MOTU) to be able to edit the topic
[03:36] <tsimonq2> (rcbugs doesn't exist any more)
[03:38] <tsimonq2> Side note, anyone know who has access to @ubuntudev on Twitter?


[20:51] <MikeRL> Anyone here?
[20:52] <MikeRL> Dropped by yesterday, but it was a Sunday so I left as well.


[00:11] <Pici> hmm. zorglu
[00:12] <Seeker`> mmm?
[00:12] <Pici> It was the only author's name that I didnt recognize from ubottu's factoid.db
[00:30] <dood> i see im still redirected to the ops channel
[00:30] <dood> i take the ban on me is still active
[00:36] <Seeker`> if you are still being redirected here, then yes it is still acrive
[00:36] <Seeker`> *active
[01:49]  * genii sips
[01:54] <Seeker`> hi
[02:13] <genii> Seeker`: Hi
[02:14] <Pici> Can someone with a better grasp of spanish/portuguese than I help barreto in #kubuntu ?
[02:15] <genii> Pici: He seems advertising something anyhow
[02:17]  * genii resorts to babelfish
[02:17] <Pici> hes gone anyway
[02:17] <genii> Too bad.
[02:17] <genii> Inglês somente aqui. Nenhumas propagandas aqui!
[02:17] <Pici> proagandas?
[02:18] <genii> When I used "advertise" instead of "advertisements" it came out more like "announcement" in the translation
[02:20] <elky> propaganda is one of those words that is anglicised into a niche meaning, rather than the original broad meaning.
[02:21] <Pici> Is it? Interesting.
[02:21] <elky> Pici, it has a much more emotional application in english than in the romantic languages.
[03:22] <dood> hello all
[03:23] <Seeker`> hi
[03:24] <elky> ah, the chatter formally known as thadood?
[03:24] <dood> yes that would be me
[03:24] <dood> ive come to ask for my ban to be lifted , i was in here 2 days ago and formally apologized and was givin the link to read the rules
[03:24] <dood> i was told to speak with you about the ban
[03:25] <elky> let me look through my logs, it might take a few minutes
[03:25] <dood> ok
[03:29] <elky> dood, the ban is lifted. thank you for learning from your mistakes and making amends. please keep the guidelines in mind.
[03:29] <dood> elky: i certainly will , thank you very much :D
[03:35] <genii> That was unusually civil.
[03:35] <nickrud> hi genii
[03:36] <genii> nickrud: Hiya
[03:36]  * genii makes another urn of coffee for channel consumption
[03:38] <nickrud> ah, I had to give up coffee, all caffeine.
[03:39] <nickrud> I've quit smoking as well. Life intruded, hard, recently
[03:40] <elky> life without caffeine. isnt that like stopping breathing?
[03:40] <nickrud> pretty close. I cheat.
[03:41] <genii> I get withdrawal signs just thinking about life without caffeine.
[03:42] <genii> Pici: The portuguese fellow advertising a site earlier seems to have returned and speaking perfect english.
[03:43] <genii> No, sorry. It's not
[03:43] <Pici> genii: curious
[03:43] <genii> Pici: I mis-read the name, apologies.
[03:44] <nickrud> I've gotten to the point that withdrawal symptoms are the normal state of affairs
[05:22] <genii-around> jussi01: Core seems down or so :(
[05:26] <genii> Back up, apparently.
[06:11] <genii> 1:10AM so I'm out. See you in about 8 hours.
[08:05] <TheMuso> Has anybody asked in here about getting a UDS cloak for <IP_ADDRESS>?
[08:06] <nalioth> no?
[08:07] <elky> nalioth, could you follow that up please?
[08:07] <TheMuso> nalioth: Ok, would you be ok to set one up? From memory, a cloak is usually set up for the IP address/hostname of the venue in which UDS is held.
[08:08] <elky> usually a nat one to stop stuff freaking out at all the connections
[08:08] <nalioth> yes, i understand
[08:11] <nalioth> requested
[11:11] <elky> madbuntu is castawayz from yesterday
[11:12] <elky> ... or earlier than yesterday.
[14:21]  * genii wanders to the coffeepot
[14:33] <tsimpson> someone should check in on #ubuntu-installer and #ubuntu-translators for Allah_kegyeltje trolling
[14:33] <tsimpson> (someone with powers)
[14:41] <ikonia> for the record can someone keep an eye on eagles in #kubuntu-offtopic I've just logged into to see him making some pretty rash accusations
[14:46] <tsimpson> ikonia: when was the accusation made?
[14:46] <ikonia> he started at 14:00 according to my log, building up to it - I've just called him out on it
[14:47] <ikonia> he looked a fool in #kde last night telling people who he was developing fixes for plamsa and how he'd been using linux for 9 years stargin with suse 9 which was released 4 years ago - and didn't like being called out about it
[14:47] <ikonia> so he now brings it up that people are calling him idiots etc
[14:48] <ikonia> rather than the fact he was caught telling lies to people - again !
[14:48] <tsimpson> all I see is "<eagles0513875> lets just say some people around the kubuntu community just drove me over the edge yesterday"
[14:48] <genii> That kid never seems to learn.
[14:48] <ikonia> tsimpson: keep reading
[14:49] <ikonia> genii: he makes a rod for his own back then claims the world is against him when he's busted
[14:50] <genii> ikonia: I don't usually have an issue with him but then again I don't hang out much in #kde and some of the other dev channels
[14:51] <ikonia> I like his enthusasim
[14:51] <ikonia> just can't deal with the lies
[14:52] <tsimpson> ah, I see what you mean
[14:58] <ikonia> done
[15:00] <jussi01> someone just point him to #gentoo then go watch the fun in there...
[15:00] <ikonia> I am
[15:00] <ikonia> I'm asking rasonable questions in #kubuntu-offtopic and he's just parroting them in #gentoo
[15:00] <ikonia> is he that silly to not realise I'm in the channel and can see him do it
[15:00] <genii> Probably.
[15:00] <elky> ikonia, answer one of them and see if he figures.
[15:01] <ikonia> ha ha
[15:03] <elky> oh noes, i has to compilez stuffs
[15:06] <genii> Man. You guys are really hammering on him on #k -ot
[15:07] <Mamarok> genii: he doesn't diserve better, he is on our nerves since months
[15:08] <ikonia> genii: I dont' think so, just a discussion,
[15:08]  * genii makes more coffee
[15:08] <genii> ikonia: Well it's all civil so far :)
[15:11]  * elky resists the temptation to bait.
[15:13] <elky> the entertainment stopped :(
[15:14] <ikonia> #gentoo has stopped providing answers
[15:14] <elky> haha
[15:15] <ikonia> 15:11 < eagles0513875> where would i find the initramfs
[15:15] <ikonia> 5:11 <@DrEeevil> wherever you put it
[15:15] <ikonia> 15:13 < eagles0513875> blarg think i need to start  ovr yet again
[15:15] <ikonia> same approach in #gentoo then
[15:15] <Mamarok> omg, he is doing that in #gentoo now?
[15:15] <elky> apparently
[15:17] <Mamarok> let's hope for him he survives...
[15:17] <Mamarok> ok, work awaiting, bbl
[15:18] <elky> i think #gentoo is more likely to mock than abuse.
[15:21] <ikonia> 15:19 < eagles0513875> DrEeevil: is there any way i can save my isntall from booting off the live cd
[15:21] <ikonia> 15:19 <@DrEeevil> eject the cd?
[15:21] <ikonia> golden
[15:22] <elky> wait, so he's now directly asking the guy who's mocking him?
[15:22] <ikonia> yes
[15:22] <elky> rofl
[15:23] <elky> what did i just catch the end of?
[15:23] <ikonia> fixing grub
[15:23] <ikonia> some other kind soul explained hitting "e" to edit on the fly
[15:23] <ikonia> standby for "what do I put now" questions
[15:24] <elky> damn, he noticed me join #g
[15:24] <Seeker`> you shouldnt be following then :P
[15:24] <Seeker`> do they not publicly log their channel?
[15:25] <genii> Maybe we should all join there and make him *really* paranoid
[15:25] <ikonia> I'm being open, I'm curious about how he gets on
[15:25] <elky> as am i
[15:26] <elky> just have to fix grub. yeah, that sounds 'almost finished' to me
[15:26] <ikonia> "where does initrd go" ? not quite on top of it yet
[15:27] <ikonia> fingers crossed he may learn with gentoo
[15:27] <genii> ikonia: Gentoo is a sink-or-swim thing
[15:28] <ikonia> yes, hence my curiosity
[15:29] <MikhailGorbachev> What are Ubuntu's saystem requirements?
[15:29] <Seeker`> MikhailGorbachev: this isn't a support channel
[15:30] <MikhailGorbachev> It is now.
[15:30] <elky> no it's not.
[15:30] <MikhailGorbachev> Yes it is, because I'm not able to join the normal support channel (#ubuntu).
[15:31] <MikhailGorbachev> I was able to join yesterday, but not today--even though I didn't do anything in the channel yesterday other than ask about patents.
[15:31] <Seeker`> MikhailGorbachev: yuo seem to be unable to decide on a nickname
[15:31] <elky> Flannel, this is one of yours.
[15:32] <MikhailGorbachev> Seeker`: Why is that a problem?
[15:32] <MikhailGorbachev> A psuedonym doesn't have to be static for people to recognize you.
[15:33] <elky> i didnt recognise you. our ban tracking system did.
[15:33] <MikhailGorbachev> Ban tracking system? You mean the IRCd.
[15:34] <Seeker`> its not a problem as such, but you seemed to accquire a cloak, which is the only reason you were able to join the channel yesterday
[15:34] <Pici> no, our ban tracking system.
[15:34] <christel> MikhailGorbachev: i think you've had sufficient warnings about your trolling young ms. york
[15:34] <MikhailGorbachev> A cloak? I don't think so.
[15:34] <jussi01> heh
[15:35] <elky> christel, since i cant even see why flannel banned him, care to share?
[15:35] <christel> sorry about that, she's been hitting half the network over the past two days claiming to be some financial advisor working for cnbc or similar
[15:35] <elky> haha
[15:35] <Seeker`> elky: try looking the TheKmartTroll
[15:35] <elky> Seeker`, ah, so ban evasion on this particular host then?
[15:35] <christel> and for fun and giggles she posts her full name, telephone number, age and address on slashdot as comments
[15:35] <Seeker`> there should be an "at" in there too
[15:35] <christel> (that bit i never quite understood)
[15:36] <elky> christel, age being 'should be getting parental supervision' range?
[15:36] <christel> 18 alas
[15:36] <Seeker`> elky: They were in #ubuntu as TheKmartTroll and MartinLKing, PMing people and telling them to get the ops to say "Ich spreche deutsch" in #u or the spamming in PM would continue
[15:37] <christel> (but why she'd post her details in comments on /. articles is a great mystery to me)
[15:37] <christel> yeah, TheKmartTroll was her, and MadMoney and a few others
[15:37] <elky> aha, this merely was not caught in the 100 lines.
[15:38] <christel> her registered (and cloaked) account is/was gremlin
[15:38] <christel> if that rings any bells
[15:38] <christel> she also has been known to use the nick PresidentBush
[15:38] <Seeker`> elky: It is in TheKmartTroll's record in -ops
[15:39] <Seeker`> christel: yeah, was in #u under that cloak yesterday, which I banned
[15:39] <christel> *nod*
[15:40] <elky> this is out of my usual online times, i suppose this is how i've escaped this enthralling tale.
[15:40] <Seeker`> I suppose being halfway round the world, you get to see a different set of trolls
[15:40] <elky> yeah. the delightful hindi kids.
[15:40] <Seeker`> oh?
[15:40] <christel> she used to use the nick coffeebsd a couple of years back
[15:41] <elky> Seeker`, umakant and grossgrape
[15:41] <Seeker`> latter nick rings a bell
[15:42] <elky> it's my nickname for the guy who does attributefruit nicks
[15:42] <Pici> elky: So what brings you to this hour of the day?
[15:42] <elky> Pici, annual leave :D
[15:43] <Pici> elky: Oh, for how long?
[15:43] <elky> a week
[15:43] <Pici> (Holiday today in the US too)
[15:43] <Seeker`> bank holiday in the UK
[15:43] <elky> nah, this is genuine non-holiday leave
[15:44] <Pici> Mamarok: feel free to ban, was aparrently caught by an autokick in #ubuntu
[15:44]  * ikonia is enjoying monday off work
[15:44]  * Pici too
[15:44]  * Myrtti had bank holiday on Thursday
[15:44] <ikonia> enough - nigger = ident
[15:45]  * ikonia is quick draw
[15:45] <Pici> Well, yes, thats what triggered the #ubuntu akick
[15:45] <Mamarok> thx ikonia :)
[15:45] <ikonia> ah
[15:45] <ikonia> I didn't see the auto kick
[15:45] <jussi01> parrot again :/
[15:46] <ikonia> !staff | parrot spamming multiple channels #ubuntu #kubuntu #debian ##c++
[15:46] <ikonia> actaully just seen cristel is active
[15:46] <ikonia> christel even
[15:48] <christel> thank you, gone :)
[15:48]  * ikonia bows
[15:49] <ikonia> as in bows thankingly, not "takes a bow"
[15:49]  * Pici applauds ikonia
[15:49] <jussi01> arent we having a fun day today...
[15:50] <elky> christel, btw, madbuntu is our proxy wielding friend from the other day (castawayz). has not been problematic aside from spewing rubbish all evening.
[15:50] <christel> lovely! ill keep an eye open :)
[15:51] <ikonia> jussi01: it's a great day ! get on board
[15:51] <jussi01> ikonia: I am on board... it is a good day!
[15:51] <Pici> elky: You mean the person who just joined -offtopic?
[15:53] <elky> Pici, the very same.
[16:03] <elky> ikonia, how is your lesson from sensai eagles going?
[16:03] <ikonia> good good
[16:03] <elky> learning lots?
[16:03] <ikonia> yup
[16:04] <ikonia> there is nothing too gentoo at all any more
[16:04] <ikonia> you setup about 5 files for your arch/local mirror/etc and then type emerge
[16:04] <elky> where would you be without his astute guidance?
[16:04] <ikonia> it's lost it's under the hood fiddling
[16:04] <ikonia> up the creek without a paddle
[16:07] <ikonia> I think I will go and feed, give me time to absord my lesson
[16:08] <elky> indeed a good idea
[16:18] <jussi01> *g*
[16:21]  * elky waits for the reaction.
[16:21]  * Mamarok munches her popcorn
[16:25]  * Mamarok holds her breath...
[16:26] <elky> hehehe
[16:33] <elky> ikonia, 9 has been shortened to '5-6'
[16:41] <Mamarok> nini elky :)
[16:41] <Mamarok> you never sleep?
[16:42] <elky> Tue May 26 01:42:09 EST 2009
[16:43] <Mamarok> yes, I know :)
[16:44] <Mamarok> if you work the next day that is really late
[16:47] <elky> yeah, <3 annual leave.
[16:47]  * Myrtti has coffee
[16:49] <elky> ugh, if ikanobori heads to #u-w, im hunting J down and finding some way to torment him...
[17:23]  * genii sips and catches up on scroll
[17:48]  * ikonia looks for ban syntax help
[17:49] <Seeker`> what do you need help with?
[17:49] <ikonia> fixed it
[17:49] <ikonia> fat fingered hidden typo
[17:49] <ikonia> christel: you still active ?
[17:50] <christel> HAI
[17:50] <ikonia> hai !
[17:50] <christel> i am! :D
[17:50] <ikonia> christel: quick query, not sure if you can get info quickly but is the kline on the user "vertix" still active ?
[17:50] <ikonia> apologies, should have asked in #freenode
[17:53] <christel> i could look, only i have no idea what theyre ip may be
[17:53] <ikonia> pool.ukrtel.net was the mask
[17:53] <christel> but i would assume so as iirc it was recent?
[17:54] <ikonia> yes, in that case the user is back using the nick ravelon
[17:54] <christel> sorry, i was distracted by ljl talking about his lovely weather!
[17:54] <christel> thank you for heads up!
[17:54] <ikonia> 58-138-124-91.pool.ukrtel.net
[17:54] <ikonia> that was the old klined ip
[17:54] <ikonia> and I'm sure you can see the new one :)
[17:54] <christel> yah! thank you <3
[17:55] <ikonia> no problem, thanks
[17:55] <ikonia> feeding time again
[18:29] <Seeker`> xray7224: how can we help you?
[18:29] <xray7224> hello i was told to join this channel by Flannel to sort something out about #megworld a channel ive read is a "trollpid" its not. I am the owner/founder of #megworld and i would like to sort any problems you may have with the channel
[18:30] <xray7224> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/05/24/%23ubuntu-ops.html
[18:30] <Seeker`> elky: you still about?
[18:31] <Myrtti> hopefully not
[18:31] <Myrtti> way past beddybye time of little elkies
[18:31] <xray7224> I am not however saying some of my members don't/havn't trolled i am happy to work with you to stop them tolling i don't support any orgonise trolls on channels if i see them happerning or any of my ops we will stop them
[18:31] <Seeker`> fair enough
[18:32] <xray7224> mr_bo_jangles from the logs is one of my ops who addmitadly use to troll but he assures me he has stopped
[18:32] <Seeker`> xray7224: I'm not 100% sure about this, but I think that it has been observed that there have been several attacks from a set of people that are also in #medworld
[18:32] <Seeker`> *megworld
[18:33] <xray7224> id like to appologise for any problems my channel has cause there are periods of time in my channel where no op is present which is unfortunate but we have got another op yesterday who should be able to cover this
[18:34] <xray7224> id like to suggest if groups of people who do come from #megworld you inform us as well and me and my ops will be happy to work with you to try and stop them trolling on your channels
[18:35]  * Seeker` wonders if there is an easy way to communicate this to the other ops here
[18:36] <Flannel> mark it... and.... uh
[18:38] <jussi01> Seeker`: we have a mailing list...
[18:39] <Seeker`> true
[18:39] <Mamarok> !!
[18:40] <Seeker`> !punctuation
[18:40] <nalioth> Amaranth: bazhang Daviey DLange elky elky_work fdoving Flannel Gary genii ikonia j-dizzle jpds jrib Martinp23 mez mneptok Myrtti nickrud pleia2 popey Pricey robotgeek Seeker` SportChick SWAT Tm_T topyli tritium tsimpson vorian   please review the past few minutes
[18:40] <nalioth> why bother the mailing list?
[18:41]  * genii reviews
[18:42] <nickrud> cuz I get that but not stuff here on a regular basis right now:?
[18:42] <Mamarok> oh, right, I'm not on that list
[18:43] <Mamarok> xray7224: thanks for stopping by
[18:43] <jussi01> nalioth: because then we can point back at it easily? then the people who are not active right now have a better chance of seeing it?
[18:44] <xray7224> Mamarok: its fine i don't want trolling in other irc channels as much as you dont
[18:47] <jussi01> xray7224: Thanks again. We have a no idle policy here, we will see you next time :)
[18:48] <xray7224> ok well if you do come across any trolls pop by #megworld-op or #megworld explain ur a ubuntu op and tell us who the problem is and hopefully we can resolve it together
[18:48] <xray7224> bye
[18:50] <topyli> gah missed him
[18:50] <topyli> i wonder what megworld is
[18:50] <Seeker`> topyli: you can always PM
[18:50] <topyli> aye
[18:50] <Seeker`> topyli: and with a realname of "Jessica" I would suspect its not a "him"
[18:51] <topyli> right :)
[18:55] <mneptok> Mamarok: are you on the ubuntu-ops team?
[18:55] <Mamarok> mneptok: yes, for #kubuntu
[18:56] <Seeker`> Mamarok should be on the access list for here
[18:56] <Mamarok> Seeker`: I think jussi01 added me
[18:57] <Seeker`> part and come back, see if ou get a +v
[18:57] <mneptok> Mamarok: and please join the Launchpad team
[18:58] <Seeker`> nope
[18:58] <Mamarok> hm, did that work?
[18:58] <Seeker`> nope, no +v
[18:58] <jussi01>  no, you have to be accepted into the ircops team to get +v here
[18:58] <ikonia> #megworld again
[18:58] <ikonia> topyli: it's a troll pit
[18:58] <Seeker`> ikonia: ?
[18:59] <ikonia> topyli: sebsebseb, xray7224 sockets, and others
[18:59]  * jussi01 leaves now
[18:59] <Seeker`> ikonia: did you not read what xray7224 said?
[18:59] <ikonia> I mentioned it he other day
[18:59] <ikonia> no, but I also doubt it automatically
[18:59] <Mamarok> ok, what do I do next, join the launchpad Team?
[18:59] <topyli> i'm not aware of any free software related project by that name anyway. yet it's on freenode
[19:00] <Pici> Tr
[19:00] <ikonia> Tr ?
[19:00] <Pici> er, lag
[19:00] <ikonia> ah
[19:01] <Mamarok> Seeker`: what's the name of the team again?
[19:01] <mneptok> Mamarok: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-irc
[19:01] <Seeker`> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-irc
[19:01] <Mamarok> thx :)
[19:01] <ikonia> nalioth: what am I supposed to be looking at in the previous minutes, I don't see it
[19:02] <mneptok> ikonia: /lastlog xray7224
[19:02] <ikonia> yeah I see it
[19:02] <Mamarok> ok, done
[19:02] <ikonia> taken with a pinch of salt
[19:03] <mneptok> Mamarok: Zuerich?!
[19:03] <Mamarok> mneptok: no, Fribourg
[19:03] <mneptok> Mamarok: we get trolls and abusive users. this is no place for neutrality.
[19:03] <Mamarok> Zürich is just the time zone :)
[19:03] <mneptok> ach so.
[19:03] <Mamarok> :)
[19:03] <Seeker`> ikonia: no reason to doubt it atm though
[19:03] <Mamarok> well, the Swiss neutrality has always been ... relative
[19:04] <Seeker`> ikonia: should give them a chance
[19:04] <ikonia> Seeker`: I don't doubt "him" just a channel filled with known problem users that have there own 4 - 5 way channel group wont' change anything
[19:04] <ikonia> they all lurk in ##chatandsupport ##supportandchat ##sebsebseb #megworld
[19:04] <ikonia> same - 5 - 6 peoples
[19:05] <ikonia> the fact that sebsebseb reads these logs and points people to them shows that they know what they are doing
[19:11] <Seeker`> I'd point the finger at ##sebsebseb then, rather than #megworld
[19:11] <ikonia> totally
[19:12] <ikonia> but #megworld is just as bad due to lack of op
[19:13] <Seeker`> ikonia: as xray said, they are addressing the situation
[19:13] <ikonia> yes, I don't doubt he will
[19:15] <genii> Strange. I''m pending approval since  2008-10-15  according to https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-irc/+members
[19:15] <ikonia> I've been pending aproval for ages
[19:15] <Mamarok> ...
[19:15] <genii> ikonia: So I guess is not a pre-requisite then for +v here
[19:17] <Mamarok> hm, what does that mean for me?
[19:17] <Seeker`> Mamarok: it means that someone will get round to giving you +v eventually :)
[19:18] <Mamarok> :)
[19:20] <mneptok> Pricey elky nalioth ^^^^^^^
[19:56] <AncientSocrates> hello
[19:56] <ikonia> AncientSocrates: do you have any business here ?
[19:56] <AncientSocrates> just curious mamm
[19:56] <AncientSocrates> maam
[19:56] <ikonia> !idle | AncientSocrates
[19:56] <AncientSocrates> ok ubottu
[19:56] <ikonia> thanks
[19:56] <ikonia> he's one of the megworld trolls
[19:58] <Mamarok> ma'am ikonia :)
[19:58] <ikonia> if you like
[20:02] <Seeker`> hi xray7225
[20:02] <xray7225> hi Seeker
[20:02] <Seeker`> how can we help you AncientSocrates?
[20:03] <xray7225> who is that
[20:03] <Seeker`> you
[20:03] <xray7225> i dont think so
[20:03] <Seeker`> bearing in mind you were just told that you shouldn't idle in this channel
[20:03] <xray7225> look at my nick again
[20:03] <Seeker`> oh, I do
[20:03] <ikonia> xray7225: please leave
[20:03] <Myrtti> it's mostly the ident and hostname that gives you away
[20:03] <xray7225> traitors
[20:03] <Seeker`> excuse me?
[20:04] <ikonia> just boot him
[20:04] <ikonia> he's just been kicked from #megworld and now wants to troll here again
[20:04] <xray7225> look i will make freenode burn either you like it or not
[20:04] <ikonia> it's a pointless discussion
[20:04] <Seeker`> was that a threat against the network?
[20:04] <Mamarok> right, everybody wants somwthing at the same time again in #k
[20:04] <xray7225> i will
[20:05] <Seeker`> xray7225: were you jsut threatening the network?
[20:05] <ikonia> Mamarok: need a hand ?
[20:05] <xray7225> Seeker`: no
[20:05] <xray7225> just a promise
[20:05] <Seeker`> 22:04:21- :xray7225 : look i will make freenode burn either you like it or not
[20:05] <ikonia> just ban him and lets move along
[20:05] <Seeker`> a promomise to do what?
[20:05] <Myrtti> ooh, I want lollipops, can you promise me a lollipop?
[20:05] <ikonia> the more we let this continue with pointlessness the most foolish he will become
[20:05] <Flannel> Myrtti: I will!
[20:05] <xray7225> ikonia: i am at your image
[20:06] <Myrtti> wow!
[20:06] <ikon1a> got that?
[20:06] <Myrtti> ikon1a: can you see the light at the end of the tunnel?
[20:06] <Seeker`> ikon1a: so what are you promising to do?
[20:06] <Myrtti> ikon1a: it's the k-train
[20:06] <Myrtti> *Choochoo*
[20:06] <Mamarok> ikonia: would love to, yes
[20:06] <ikonia> Mamarok: ok
[20:06] <ikon1a> this network wont last long
[20:07] <ikon1a> remember this
[20:07] <Seeker`> ikon1a: why not?
[20:07] <Flannel> Seeker`: that's a yes.
[20:07] <ikonia> ^^ please
[20:07] <ikonia> just boot him
[20:07] <ikon1a> there are others like me
[20:07] <ikon1a> sent to sabotage this network
[20:07] <ikon1a> dont ask why
[20:07] <Seeker`> is this now a matter for staff?
[20:08] <Flannel> Seeker`: pinging them wouldn't be a bad idea.
[20:08] <Flannel> Even if it turns into a non-issue, they might want to be aware of it
[20:08] <Seeker`> !staff | AncientSocrates threatening the network
[20:08] <Seeker`> brb, dinner
[20:09] <ikonia> ace, now getting dcc/pm attacks
[20:09] <ikonia> hes a dlight
[20:09] <ikonia> delight
[20:10] <Myrtti> I'm surprised there's nothing in my /w 1
[20:11] <ikonia> just spoke to staff as he's trolling channels in my name
[20:13] <nalioth> ikonia: good thing you're green  :)
[20:14] <ikonia> ha ha ha
[20:14] <ikonia> Seeker`: for the record xray seems to be doing exactly what he said he would
[20:14] <ikonia> Seeker`: hence why this loon is now playing up
[20:14] <ikonia> nalioth: thanks
[20:15] <nalioth> for the compliment? any time.
[20:15] <ikonia> no, for klining him
[20:15] <Seeker`> ikonia: :)
[20:15] <ikonia> (I assume it was you)
[20:16] <nalioth> assume = ass + u + me
[20:44] <tritium> GOod day.
[20:49]  * jussi01 waves to tritium
[20:49] <Mamarok> jussi01: seems I'm not given voice automagically
[20:50] <jussi01> Mamarok: thats right.
[20:50] <jussi01> Mamarok: have you joined the IRC team?
[20:50] <tritium> Hi jussi01 :)
[20:50] <Mamarok> jussi01: on Launchpad? Yes
[20:50] <jussi01> Mamarok: and been accepted?
[20:51] <Mamarok> don't know, who has to do that?
[20:51] <jussi01> Me. or one of the IRCC
[20:52] <jussi01> Ill look at it.
[20:52] <jussi01> its supposed to be that you are part of the IRC team, then you get auto voice in here, but that doesnt seem to have been followed in some cases
[20:53] <ikonia> I'm still waiting for membership to theluanchpad team
[20:55] <jussi01> ikonia: noted
[20:55] <ikonia> that's ok, wasn't a gripe
[20:56] <ikonia> just saying I get voiced without being on the team
[20:56]  * jussi01 points up to what I just said...
[20:56] <ikonia> yup
[20:57] <jussi01> Let me look into what the policy is, I may have it slightly wrong, Ill get back to you all soon.
[20:57] <ikonia> okey dokey
[21:16] <topyli> jussi01: i just now realized there is a team to join while watching this discussion. been voiced forever :)
[21:16] <Flannel>  !ohmy on sucks?  really?
[21:17] <Seeker`> Flannel: where?
[21:18] <Flannel> in #u, I mentioned it was probably not useful in a query
[21:18] <jussi01> topyli: yeah, I noticed - got the email ;)
[22:26] <Mamarok> ok, I call it a day, gn8 everyone!
[22:26] <jussi01> nini Mamarok
[22:26] <Mamarok> and have fun...
[22:26] <Flannel> Night Mamarok


[01:19] <gartral> hey all, small issue after upgrading from 15.04 to 15.10, my volume control indicator has vanashed\...
[01:20] <Unit193> gartral: Do you have xfce4-indicator-plugin and indicator-sound installed?  If so, can you check your panel plugins for its presence?
[01:22] <gartral> Unit193: yes and yes, and there's a mixer plugin, but it's not the pulse-audio one that open pavucontrol
[01:23] <Unit193> gartral: There's supposed to be an indicator plugin enabled, although alternativly if you have the one from the PPA, there's also xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin! :P
[01:25] <gartral> Unit193: AHHAH, thank you! that fixed that!
[01:29] <Unit193> Sure thing.
[01:30] <gartral> Unit193: somehow the indicator was removed. now I just need to fix my one conky widgit
[08:16] <roy> welcme home
[08:21] <roy> anybode here?
[11:08] <roy__> holla amigo
[11:08] <cfhowlett> !es | roy__


[05:30] <raehta> !help
[10:24] <pc_pc_pc_pc_pc_> testing...
[18:16] <xu-irc19w> :] Hello
[19:24] <owner> Всем привет
[20:34] <derhurensohn> hallo
[21:41] <xu-help68w> Hi there, I'm trying to upgrade my Xubuntu 20.04 LTS to 22.04 LTS, but "sudo do-release-upgrade" fails with "There is no development version of an LTS available.". Should I just wait a couple of days for the Xubuntu team to catch up or am I missing something?
[21:58] <xu-help93w> I have downloaded the new OS twice, onto different USBs and it does everything to install up to the "Restart".   Then, when I hit restart, it displays xubuntu for a couple seconds, then just...ah...nothing.
[21:59] <xu-help93w> P.S.   I've been operating this machine on xubuntu 18.04, then 20.04 for about 3 years with no problems.   I'm not a moron.
[22:31] <xu-irc97w> hello :)
[22:31] <xu-irc97w> Im working on a linux environment cnc machine and i could really use some help
[22:39] <Hibernaut> hypernoob needs help with password, anyone in here?
[22:39] <Bashing-om> !ask | Hibernaut
[22:47] <Hibernaut> kk, clearly, im new ;/ Im working on a linux system for cnc machine and previous owner has lost admin password. this is needed to do network configuration. i am current browsing online forums also. any help is appreciated. (Xubuntu 18.04)
[22:49] <Hibernaut> Administrator Password Recovery needed.
[23:06] <Bashing-om> Hibernaut: Maybe like this: Here are easy instructions to reset your password in Ubuntu: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/resetpassword .
[23:14] <Hibernaut> yes i've seen this and tried, I cannot find this menu. i can enter bios but not GRUB, am i missing something?
[23:17] <Bashing-om> Hibernaut: I know nothing of a CNC machine - but when the bios screen clears try pressing a shift key to get grub's attention.
[23:29] <Hibernaut> It's a small PC running Xubuntu 18.04, the CNC stuff is downstream and not germane to this issue.  i've tried  and seemingly randomly, while trying this method, I got a command line that said "SHELL" otherwise unable to enter GRUB. is it possible that the previous owner somehow locked dow GRUB options?
[23:35] <kryten> Hibernaut: I don't think the latter is even possible to such an extent.  Also, does hitting the Escape key work any better for you?
[23:41] <Bashing-om> Hibernaut: ^^ EFI system - then grub looks for the escape key - only a 3 second winow of opporunity - spam the escape key in this event.
[23:41] <Bashing-om> window*


[08:22] <mup> Bug #1865841 opened: Set NODE_ENV for snap UI builds <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1865841>
[08:28] <mup> Bug #1865841 changed: Set NODE_ENV for snap UI builds <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1865841>
[08:34] <mup> Bug #1865841 opened: Set NODE_ENV=PRODUCTION for snap UI builds <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1865841>
[08:40] <mup> Bug #1865841 changed: Set NODE_ENV=PRODUCTION for snap UI builds <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1865841>
[08:43] <mup> Bug #1865841 opened: Set NODE_ENV=PRODUCTION for snap UI builds <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1865841>
[08:55] <mup> Bug #1865844 opened: Add KVM/LXD host id to machine payload in WS API <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1865844>
[10:19] <mup> Bug #1865859 opened: HTTP Error 415 with iDRAC 9 using Redfish power type <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1865859>
[10:22] <mup> Bug #1865859 changed: HTTP Error 415 with iDRAC 9 using Redfish power type <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1865859>
[10:31] <mup> Bug #1865859 opened: HTTP Error 415 with iDRAC 9 using Redfish power type <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1865859>
[10:37] <mup> Bug #1865859 changed: HTTP Error 415 with iDRAC 9 using Redfish power type <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1865859>
[10:40] <mup> Bug #1865859 opened: HTTP Error 415 with iDRAC 9 using Redfish power type <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1865859>
[11:28] <mup> Bug #1865866 opened: MAAS  attempts creation of ZFS partition without sanity checking the partition table <hwcert-server> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1865866>
[17:07] <mordkoff> Hi..fresh install of MAAS 2.7 -- PXE boot net is IPv6 only. Tried to add my first machine (IPMI is IPv4) and there is no response from MAAS to the bootp from the new machine
[17:08] <mordkoff> in controller summary I see dhcp6 is not green :(
[17:12] <mordkoff> can someone reply so I know this is working at all
[17:44] <mordkoff> sigh
[17:44] <mordkoff> is there anybody out there?
[17:49] <mordkoff> why does snap require apparmor ?
[17:49] <mordkoff> sorry wrong group
[22:02] <mordkoff> Hi all
[22:03] <mordkoff> maas 2.7 installed fresh today, I cannot get my images to sync -- All I get is Waiting for rack controller(s) to sync
[22:03] <mordkoff> Is this a known issue?
[22:22] <mordkoff> tap, tap, tap. Is this thing on?
[22:24] <mordkoff> guess I should do my best Billy Idol imitation.....


 Coz the outside lights are out.   But we play a game in which the community is very close... So, we know of eachother :P
[09:13] <Xethron> superfly: yes, uninstalled rails off all my servers a few days ago...
[09:13] <Kilos> aha Xethron meet magespawn he is in hluwehluwe
[09:14] <Kilos> and the fly wont rest till you are on python
[09:14] <magespawn> 0/
[09:23] <Xethron> superfly: but Ruby is still not bad. And I need to learn Python yes :/
[09:23] <Xethron> hluwehluwe?
[09:24] <Xethron> hello magespawn :)
[09:24] <Kilos> hluhluwe
[09:24] <magespawn> i too play Ingress, not that there is much happening here
[09:25] <Xethron> oooohh
[09:25] <Xethron> With the durban guys
[09:25] <Xethron> Well. close to anyway
[09:26] <Xethron> Well, closer to them than to me :P meh... you get what I mean
[09:26] <Xethron> magespawn: what faction?
[09:26] <magespawn> resistance
[09:27] <Xethron> Ah, how I love this channel :D
[09:27] <magespawn> i am about 300km from Durbs
[09:27] <Kilos> haha
[09:27] <Xethron> No slimeballs around
[09:31] <Kilos> Xethron, you must join our mailing list. there are peeps that need php help now and again
[09:31] <Xethron> haha
[09:31] <Xethron> shame
[09:32] <Kilos> http://bit.ly/MCOujZ
[09:32] <Kilos> hehe
[09:55] <magespawn> superfly could you do this? http://itjobs.mybroadband.co.za/jobs/senior-python-developer-1599475/
[09:57] <superfly> Yup
[09:57] <superfly> magespawn: I can, not that I want to.
[09:58] <magespawn> no was just browsing my broadband it jobs
[09:58] <superfly> ah
[09:58] <superfly> we're actually looking for more Pythonistas
[10:20] <Xethron> I also get a lot of people contacting me looking for people who can program
[10:20] <Xethron> Never know who to ask :(
[10:26] <magespawn> anybody know how to open a .lvf file? video file from a dvr security system probable H.264
[10:33] <Kilos> did you look here magespawn
[10:34] <Kilos> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5927805/how-to-open-mdf-and-ldf-files
[10:42] <inetpro> goeie more Kilos
[10:42] <Kilos> dag inetpro gaan dit goed
[10:42] <Kilos> wats nuus?
[10:43] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn_
[10:43] <Kilos> found i see
[10:43] <deegee_1> magespawn: try this link, might be helpful; http://www.moviecodec.com/video-codecs/i-need-help-with-a-lvf-file-98787/
[10:43] <Kilos> hi deegee_1
[10:44] <deegee_1> hi Kilos o/
[10:44] <Kilos> i think magespawn would like those videos too
[10:44] <Kilos> hi monkey
[10:44] <monkey> hi Kilos
[10:45] <monkey> how goes it?
[10:45] <Kilos> the kb fell off i see
[10:45] <Kilos> good ty and you laddy
[10:45] <monkey> yesh. not logged into freenode on webchat
[10:45] <Kilos> lol
[10:45] <Kilos> i see that
[10:45] <Kilos> found a gateway
[10:46] <Kilos> glad you can get here sometimes
[10:47] <monkey> this is a very, very slow day
[10:47] <inetpro> Kilos: good and yourself
[10:48] <inetpro> oh and good day to everyone else as well of course
[10:48] <Kilos> same ty. got some meds
[10:48] <Kilos> die goed is duur jong
[10:49] <magespawn> Kilos lvf not ldf but ty anyway
[10:49] <Kilos> ai sorry magespawn
[10:49] <magespawn> deegee_1: thanks looks like a download will give it a go
[10:50] <deegee_1> magespawn: np
[10:51] <monkey> coffee is good to get us through the day :]
[10:56] <deegee_1> Kilos: this is the source url for the vids we talked about ....(part I, II & III) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx93U10Kkro
[10:56] <deegee_1> also some more info here; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Quickly
[10:57] <Kilos> ty deegee_1 will let magespawn  sort the links
[10:58] <deegee_1> ok
[10:58] <deegee_1> tnx Kilos
[10:58] <Kilos> for?
[10:58] <Kilos> all good in pommie land?
[10:58] <deegee_1> :-p
[11:01] <magespawn> thanks guys
[11:02] <monkey> catch you all later peeps
[11:02] <monkey> gots to get back to the graft
[11:03] <Kilos> k mon
[11:03] <Kilos> go well
[11:03] <Kilos> ai
[11:23] <Kilos> Banlam, bakuman julle moet groet nou en dan man
[11:24] <Kilos> ohi barrydk
[11:28] <Kilos> ive got the weirdest prob. 20g drive shows full with maverick on and i cant find any big stuff to use up all that space
[11:28] <Kilos> sisters drive'
[11:28] <Kilos> should all be inside 6 gig
[11:30] <magespawn> is maverick installed on the drive or another os or none at all?
[11:31] <Kilos> only maverick and evo mail and epiphany
[11:31] <Kilos> no movies nothing
[11:31] <magespawn> deegee_1: the link from here worked http://www.elecard.com/en/products/end-user-software/playback/avc-plugin-wmp.html
[11:31] <Kilos> weird
[11:31] <Kilos> with wget magespawn ?
[11:32] <Kilos> will it not be three different ones
[11:32] <magespawn> no unfortunately is for the other os
[11:32] <Kilos> movies
[11:32] <Kilos> videos?
[11:32] <deegee_1> magespawn: glad that could be useful.
[11:34] <magespawn> Kilos can you see what is on the drive by exploring the drive itself
[11:34] <magespawn> ?
[11:35] <Kilos> ya i open home but theres only 8g it shows as. but everything in there is tiny so dont even know where the 8g comes from
[11:36] <Kilos> archives empty too
[11:36] <Kilos> trash empty
[11:36] <Kilos> i dunno
[11:39] <magespawn> not a corrupt file system or a damaged disk?
[11:39] <Kilos> must be corrupt i think but dunno how it happened
[11:41] <Kilos> im just gonna make a backup of evo and clean install for her
[11:41] <Kilos> she got funny email stuff
[11:41] <Kilos> voda eeek
[11:43] <superfly> magespawn: 2 things: (a) have you tried it in VLC? and (b) have you run ffmpeg -i <video> ?
[11:43] <superfly> (b) is what I would do first
[11:44] <magespawn> yes and yes on the win machine but did not want to open
[11:44] <superfly> magespawn: what did ffmpeg say?
[11:45] <magespawn> did not see anything come up
[11:50] <magespawn> i was running it as a wmp plugin
[11:52] <magespawn> looks like i might have been mistaken on that brb
[12:08] <magespawn> rebooting
[12:13] <magespawn> back
[12:30] <magespawn> bbl gotta go out
[16:10] <Kilos> lo hhmmmmmer
[16:11] <Kilos> inetpro, is jy tuis voor die reen
[16:11] <Kilos> ?
[17:05] <magedroid> Evening all
[17:08] <nlsthzn> alo
[17:12] <magedroid> Ppl seem quiet, maybe dinner time
[17:21] <inetpro> Kilos: gelukkig ja
[17:23] <Kilos> hi magedroid nlsthzn
[17:23] <Kilos> jy het nie water in gevat om te laat toets inetpro
[17:23] <Kilos> grrr
[17:26] <Squirm> wow
[17:26] <Squirm> so
[17:26] <Squirm> I got back from jhb at about 3pm yesterday
[17:26] <nlsthzn> hiya uncle Kilos ...
[17:26] <Squirm> got into work at 7:30 and turns out our RAID controller died last night
[17:27] <Squirm> so I was back on my way to jhb at like 8L30
[17:27] <Squirm> s/8L30/8:30
[17:27] <Squirm> just got back now
[17:27] <Kilos> why to jhb?
[17:27] <Kilos> is it up there
[17:28] <Kilos> Squirm, ^
[17:32] <inetpro> Kilos: nee, mal dag
[17:33] <Kilos> bring 2 liter hier , ek sal dit voor jou drink, en as ek die volgende dag hier opkom dan weet jy dis goed
[17:33] <Kilos> hehe
[17:34] <Kilos> as  ek vrek dan gebruik jy dit net op die tuin
[17:35] <Squirm> Kilos: the part wasn't available in their dbn branch
[17:35] <Kilos> ouch
[17:35] <Squirm> it was our main server. the school was kind of computer-less today
[17:36] <Squirm> but it's all up now
[17:36] <Kilos> what part broke?
[17:36] <Squirm> the RAID Controller
[17:36] <Kilos> for a server?
[17:36] <Squirm> yep
[17:37] <Kilos> ah gotcha
[17:37] <Squirm> it's a PCI Card that controls all the Hdd's
[17:37] <Kilos> to sync drives so if one crashes you dont lose anything?
[17:40] <Squirm> hmm, that's one of the options
[17:40] <Squirm> we run RAID 5
[17:40] <Squirm> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID
[17:40] <Squirm> there are a few to choose from. so RAID could also split the load between the installed HDD's
[17:40] <Squirm> and split the data across all the HDD's
[17:40] <Kilos> ah
[17:40] <Squirm> as well as mirror the drives
[17:41] <Kilos> for speed purposes
[17:42] <Squirm> they would improve performance, but I don't know by how much. I don't think RAID Arrays are their for a performance boost. rather they're there for backup purpose
[17:42] <Kilos> interesting
[17:42] <Kilos> reliability and availability, performance, and capacity.
[17:43] <Kilos> lotsa options though
[17:43] <Kilos> too much for my head
[17:56]  * nlsthzn is setting up the gaming rig to stream to the interwebs...
[17:56] <nlsthzn> and in windows fashion I have to reboot now :/
[17:57] <nlsthzn> brb
[18:05] <Squirm> bbiab, going home
[18:06] <Squirm> Kilos: and then you get things like SAN
[18:07] <Kilos> enough Squirm go safe
[18:07] <Squirm> I live like 200m :P
[18:07] <Squirm> away
[18:07] <Kilos> lol
[18:07] <Kilos> dont trip
[18:07] <Kilos> its dark
[18:07] <Squirm> have to return the school vehicle, walk back over the hill and fetch my car
[18:24] <magedroid> Squirm you went all the way to JHB for a raid controller?
[18:32] <Kilos> night guys. sleep tight
[18:47] <smile> hoi :)
[18:50] <magedroid> Good night all
[18:55] <smile> Hi I came here to ask something :D
[18:56] <smile> Is  bloekom Eucalyptus? :)
[18:56] <Cantide> 'o'
[18:58] <smile> Because I read bloekomplantasies
[18:58] <smile> Google Translate says that but I'm unsure
[18:59] <Cantide> I have no idea myself
[18:59] <Cantide> I'm not an Afrikaans speaking >_>
[19:00] <Cantide> speaker *
[19:00] <Cantide> wow, i am tired 'o'
[19:03] <smile> Cantide: I'm looking it up in my dictionary :D
[19:05] <smile> hmm, it's not in there
[19:05] <smile> http://www.majstro.com/dictionaries/Afrikaans-English/bloekom :)
[19:07] <inetpro> smile: ja
[19:08] <inetpro> bloekom = blue‐gum or eucalyptus
[19:10] <inetpro> or De blauwe gomboom
[19:10] <smile> inetpro: rubber? :p
[19:11] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:11] <inetpro> not sure whether they really make rubber from this tree
[19:13] <inetpro> uses: Timber, Pulpwood,  Essential oil,  Herb tea, Honey and Phenolics
[19:14] <inetpro> not that I know what Phenolics is
[19:14] <smile> ok :)
[19:14] <smile> Noorweegse Sendinggenootskap <- do you know something more than me about this subject, inetpro? :)
[19:15] <inetpro> no
[19:16] <smile> :(
[19:16] <smile> I only know that it was a christian group that landed in Natal
[19:17] <smile> and tried to influence the view on religion to more christian
[19:17] <smile> :p
[19:29] <smile> http://nl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Empangeni&diff=34724084&oldid=34723274 :D
[19:41] <smile> bye :)
[19:58] <superfly> inetpro: afaik eucalyptus != blue gum, but I may be wrong
[19:59] <inetpro> superfly: well I know it as the blue gum tree
[20:00] <inetpro> not sure where that comes from though
[20:00] <superfly> i wonder if wikipedia knows?
[20:06] <inetpro> superfly: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eucalyptus_globulus
[20:06] <superfly> I see
[20:07] <inetpro> superfly: The broad juvenile leaves are borne in opposite pairs on square stems. They are about 6 to 15 cm long and covered with a blue-grey, waxy bloom, which is the origin of the common name "blue gum".
[20:09] <superfly> so Eucalyptus is a family of trees... didn't know that
[20:09] <inetpro> never to old to learn :-)
[20:09] <superfly> then again, until the other day I didn't know that most dog breeds we think have been around for thousands of years have only been bred in the last 100 or so years
[20:10] <Guest4051> heya
[20:10] <superfly> german shepherd, rottweiler, pitbulls and bull terriers, amongst others
[20:10] <superfly> Guest4051: hi, have you come to chat about Linux?
[20:10] <inetpro> superfly: maybe he is using Ubuntu
[20:11] <inetpro> then again I doubt
[20:11] <superfly> inetpro and I were just talking about whether or not PulseAudio is actually as good as everyone says it is
[20:11] <Guest4051> no i come to find a girl
[20:11] <inetpro> lol
[20:11] <superfly> Guest4051: I think not... what do you think? PulseAudio, or OSSv4?
[20:11] <superfly> Guest4051: are you desperate?
[20:12] <superfly> heh, he must be to come onto IRC
[20:12] <inetpro> superfly: well done!
[20:12] <Tonberry> pulse is nice if you want network sound streaming
[20:12] <superfly> Tonberry: it's a solution looking for a problem
[20:13] <superfly> I see OSSv4 is now in the repositories
[20:13] <superfly> haven't tried it in a long time
[20:14] <Tonberry>  works for me
[20:14] <superfly> Tonberry: mostly because of our powerful computers these days
[20:15] <Tonberry> true
[20:15] <superfly> all PulseAudio really does is provide yet another layer, or 2, for sound to go through
[20:15] <Tonberry> it is a bit of a hog
[20:15] <superfly> app -> PA ALSA bridge -> PA -> ALSA -> driver -> sound card
[20:16] <superfly> cut out PA and you get app -> ALSA -> driver -> sound card
[20:16] <inetpro> superfly: so what do you do to change over to OSSv4?
[20:16] <inetpro> is it part of oss4-base?
[20:17] <Tonberry> cant we just pick one and stick to it?
[20:17] <inetpro> bye vinc[tab]
[20:17] <superfly> inetpro: a lot of apps are able to use OSS directly (in fact, Skype on Linux used to use OSS, before they migrated to ALSA and now Pulse support)
[20:18] <superfly> and for those that can't use OSS directly, OSS has an ALSA-compatible API
[20:18] <superfly> so you get ALSA-API -> OSS -> driver -> sound card at worst
[20:18] <superfly> inetpro: but also there's a big difference between ALSA's architecture and OSSv4's architecture
[20:19] <superfly> which makes OSS, in general, close to the "bare metal"
[20:19] <superfly> *closer
[20:20] <inetpro> good to see things developing in the linux multimedia world
[20:20] <superfly> inetpro: http://insanecoding.blogspot.com/2009/06/state-of-sound-in-linux-not-so-sorry.html
[20:20] <inetpro> ahh
[20:21]  * inetpro remembers teh negativity
[20:21] <inetpro> the*


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