 We shall simply presume he has a beard, but he's made it invisible through a currently undisclosed algorithm." -- haha, numa acuma vazui ca la info is si exemple. : ).
[20:49] <fdd> mda, si alan cox, chiar am vrut sa-l mentionez.


[09:29] <rmg51> Morning
[11:52] <icey> ahoy
[12:08] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[22:39] <princedimond> hmmm mornign to critters?? what critters would be in an IRC channel... cats have already taken over youtube and instagram ... we cant let them have IRC too!!!!!


[01:17] <redelmann> hi, simple question, can i access to my juju enviroment from differen machine i create it? just having a juju backup?
[01:18] <redelmann>  bootstrap instance is in aws


[12:27] <steve_> i downloaded the nvidia driver from nvidia's website
[12:27] <Daviey> steve_, is it not supported out of the box?
[12:27] <steve_> 1.0 9755
[12:28] <steve_> so far, i can launch the nvidia x-server setting
[12:28] <steve_> it detects my tv
[12:28] <steve_> but image is only black/white
[12:28] <steve_> however, when i boot/shutdown, i get the ubuntu splash in normal color on both tft monitor and tv
[12:29] <steve_> with out of the box, max resolution appeared to be 1024x768 too
[12:30] <steve_> whenever i manually change xorg.conf, i must be doing something wrong,
[12:30] <steve_> i only get console, and have to restart gdm with the original xorg.conf
[12:33] <steve_> ideally, i'd like the tv not to be a clone or extension of the pc screen
[12:35] <Daviey> steve_, if you using closed source drivers - why not use ubuntu's binary's?
[12:36] <steve_> new to ubuntu, i followed some howto's, noob is an understatement in my case :)
[12:37] <steve_> would you advice it is better for me to try and remove the current nvidia driver?
[12:38] <Daviey> wait 1
[12:39] <steve_> ok
[12:39] <Daviey> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia  <--- that's quite a good guide
[12:40] <steve_> ok thank you, i'm going to start over with that info
[01:50] <superm1> Hey guys
[01:53] <Daviey> boo
[01:56] <Daviey> superm1, hey
[02:17] <superm1> Daviey, you say my ubiquity changes?
[02:17] <Daviey> i did say anything ;)
[02:17] <Daviey> didn't!
[02:18] <Daviey> Daviey, if your gonna be pedantic, at least get it right <grin>
[02:19] <Daviey> superm1, /mythbuntu/ubiquity/src/ubiquity-1.4.1mythbuntu1/ubiquity/frontend/ubiquity.glade  <- definitely that file you changed?
[02:23] <gardengnome> kinda OT, but... do any of you use amarok? it's crashing here all the time and i'd like to find a fellow ubuntu user.
[02:24] <gardengnome> complaining together is much more fun
[02:25] <Daviey> gardengnome, not used it significantly - i prefer rhythmbox
[02:25] <Daviey> can you reproduce it?
[02:25] <a5benwillis> Can anyone tell me how to get rid of "hdb i/o errors" while trying to install Ubuntu 6.10????
[02:25] <a5benwillis> trying to install so I can install myth of course :)
[02:25] <Daviey> a5benwillis, simple answer - try 7.04
[02:26] <a5benwillis> think its a driver issue?
[02:26] <Daviey> dunno tbh - but the mythpackages in feisty are *much* better
[02:26] <gardengnome> Daviey: it happens daily, but i don't have any specific procedures to make it happen. but you're right, i should get a backtrace instead of whining
[02:26] <Daviey> gardengnome, or just try and drop as many Qt apps as you can
[02:27] <gardengnome> Daviey: what do you mean by "drop"?
[02:27] <gardengnome> ah
[02:27] <gardengnome> i'm exclusively using KDE
[02:27] <gardengnome> gnome gives me fits. ;)
[02:27] <Daviey> that is fixable
[02:28] <Daviey> apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[02:28] <gardengnome> no, i really don't ant to.
[02:28] <gardengnome> want*
[02:28] <Daviey> heh
[02:28] <gardengnome> i'd rather eat broken glass
[02:28] <gardengnome> you know, it's just one of these things. :)
[02:28] <gardengnome> or i'd rather go back to fluxbox
[02:29] <Daviey> I used to be a huge KDE fan... but since gnome 2+ i quite like it
[02:30] <gardengnome> i never liked those bloaty desktop environments
[02:30] <Daviey> How did i get to have 33 instances of firefox open?
[02:30] <gardengnome> gnome takes too much 'freedom' away from its users...
[02:30] <gardengnome> heh
[02:31] <gardengnome> i usually have like 200 tabs open in firefox
[02:31] <Daviey> I'm scared of tabs
[02:31] <gardengnome> hum
[02:31] <gardengnome> is that related to your gnome habit?
[02:31] <gardengnome> ;)
[02:31] <Daviey> where did superm1 go?
[02:32] <gardengnome> he's still logged in
[02:32] <Daviey> he asked me a question - the disappeared
[02:32] <Daviey> bed time is looming
[02:32] <gardengnome> true
[02:32] <gardengnome> 2:30 here
[02:33] <Daviey> your worse than i am!
[02:33] <gardengnome> why? i've got another four weeks without school
[02:35] <Daviey> heh.. i've got another 8 hours before work
[02:35] <Daviey> better get some sleep
[02:35] <Daviey> nn
[02:35] <gardengnome> pure luxury ;)
[02:35] <gardengnome> g'night
[02:38] <superm1> Daviey,
[02:38] <superm1> i'm here
[02:40] <gardengnome> wb superm1
[02:40] <gardengnome> he's gone ;)
[02:40] <superm1> oh
[02:42] <steve_> hi daviey, are you still around?
[02:50] <gardengnome> superm1: have you got a few minutes? someone pointed out to me that "libmyth-0.20-dev" should be called "libmyth-dev" - you can't have two libmyth-0.XX-dev packages isntalled concurrently because the some files would conflict.
[02:51] <superm1> gardengnome, i'll be around in a few min
[02:51] <superm1> and we can chat then
[02:51] <superm1> ill ping you
[02:51] <gardengnome> k
[03:09] <superm1> gardengnome, i'm not so sure about that
[03:10] <superm1> let me double check what files are installed
[03:11] <superm1> ah your right, you wouldnt be able to install two concurrently
[03:11] <gardengnome> superm1: it looks like marillat is going to rename it to libmyth-dev
[03:11] <superm1> ok
[03:11] <superm1> i'll merge his changes after he makes them then
[03:11] <gardengnome> tino keitel contacted him about that issue
[03:11] <superm1> to make sure that we do it the same
[03:11] <gardengnome> he is also the guy who told me about it. i can forward you that email
[03:11] <gardengnome> ah, good
[03:12] <superm1> thanks for letting me know
[03:12] <gardengnome> i suppose he's going to use versioned depends to make sure that libmyth-dev matches the correct version of libmyth-0.xx-dev
[03:12] <gardengnome> it's all sitll a big miracle for me ;)
[03:13] <superm1> \:)
[04:20] <seabag> hi al;l


[06:08] <cpaelzer> @pilot in
[06:44] <artur> Hello, may I request a sponsor to review this ticket? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-ucm-conf/+bug/2042902
[06:44] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2042902 in OEM Priority Project "ucm2: soundwire: add rt713 SDCA device" [Critical, In Progress]
[06:50] <cpaelzer> Hi artur, give me a few minutes then I'll have a look
[07:12] <cpaelzer> artur: ok I see you have adressed the former issues raised by paride and athos
[07:13] <cpaelzer> artur: Just a check - are you around for questions if I find more that needs to be sorted out, or would you expect me to just elave whatever the final state is in the bug on launchpad?
[07:17] <mkukri> im looking for review on this: https://code.launchpad.net/~mkukri/ubuntu/+source/zlib/+git/zlib/+merge/456176
[08:58] <mkukri> hmm can someone explain why libarchive 3.7.2-1ubuntu2 is marked as deleted, and now the known broken build libarchive 3.7.2-1ubuntu1 is marked published instead?
[08:59] <cpaelzer> I'm almost done with the former sponsoring case, will have a look mkukri
[09:00] <mkukri> thanks
[09:00] <cpaelzer> mkukri: it is right now moving from -proposed to -release as it completed the migration
[09:00] <cpaelzer> mkukri: look at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libarchive/+publishinghistory
[09:00] <cpaelzer> you'll see the pattern now and in the past
[09:01] <cpaelzer> things get to proposed, then migration checks happen and eventually get published to -release
[09:01] <cpaelzer> currently the one in -proposed has been deleted and the one in -release is there but waits for a completion of the publisher to be "fully there"
[09:02] <cpaelzer> and if you flip open the little triangle at the beginning you'll also see that it was automation that has done that
[09:02] <mkukri> ah okay, sorry for bothering, i guess i hit the window where i only saw the deleted package from proposed but not the released one yet
[09:02] <cpaelzer> which is usually good, the cases archive admins have to step in are usually the weird and more complex ones
[09:02] <cpaelzer> np, I didn't consider it as bothering
[09:23] <cpaelzer> hey mkukri I do not have enough time left for the full depth of zlib
[09:24] <cpaelzer> but I can look for a few things I might see quickly
[09:24] <mkukri> no problem
[09:24] <cpaelzer> the first that I spotted is that nothing of 1:1.3.dfsg-2ubuntu1 was ever uploaded
[09:24] <cpaelzer> that is fine
[09:24] <cpaelzer> but then it should not be in the changelog
[09:24] <cpaelzer> so I'd expect
[09:25] <cpaelzer> 1:1.2.13.dfsg-1ubuntu5 (the last we had) ... 1:1.2.13.dfsg-2 ... (many debian versions) ... 1:1.3.dfsg-3 and then your 1:1.3.dfsg-3ubuntu1
[09:25] <cpaelzer> and then all the comments about replaced/dropped probbaly need to move up to 1:1.3.dfsg-3ubuntu1
[09:25] <cpaelzer> at least https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zlib/+publishinghistory tells me that 1:1.3.dfsg-2ubuntu1 never happened, that is what my statements are based on
[09:28] <mkukri> yeah so i originally merged 1:1.3.dfsg-2ubuntu1, but debian uploaded a new one today
[09:28] <cpaelzer> yep, I understand
[09:28] <mkukri> ill get it out of the changelog i suppose
[09:28] <cpaelzer> and you rebased
[09:28] <cpaelzer> that part is fine
[09:28] <cpaelzer> just make it all part of the one true new ubuntu changelog stanza
[09:28] <cpaelzer> The next is just trying to avoid potential confusion, I see these
[09:28] <cpaelzer> * Replaced the following patches with rebased versions:
[09:29] <cpaelzer> - d/p/410.patch: Add support for IBM Z hardware-accelerated deflate
[09:29] <cpaelzer> and above
[09:29] <cpaelzer> - d/p/s390x: Add optimized crc32 and hardware deflate
[09:29] <cpaelzer> but where is 410 gone
[09:29] <cpaelzer> I found it
[09:29] <cpaelzer> This is style only - so it is up to you, but I'd suggest something like
[09:30] <cpaelzer> - d/p/410.patch -> d/p/s390x/add-accel-deflate.patch : renamed and rebased
[09:30] <mkukri> my isue was that there is not a 1-1 correspondance between the old and new patches. because some old ones are bugfixes that got included in the new patches. but now my patches are also based on one upstream git commit instead of entire pull requests in one
[09:31] <cpaelzer> hmm, let me think how I'd read that case the easierst way then
[09:31] <cpaelzer> I like that you just made per arch subdirs now
[09:32] <cpaelzer> So as a rule of thumb under "Remaining changes" should only be lines that ever existed before
[09:33] <cpaelzer> and the good new "d/p/s390x: Add optimized crc32 and hardware deflate" has not be seen before
[09:33] <mkukri> so 410.patch and s390x-vectorize-crc32.patch, and d/p/1390.patch, and  d/p/lp-2018293-fix-crash-in-deflateBound-if-called-before-deflateInt.patch and are equivalent-ish to the s390x subdir
[09:33] <mkukri> and  d/p/478.patch is roughly the same as the power subdir
[09:33] <mkukri> im working on fixing the changelog
[09:35] <cpaelzer> yeah
[09:35] <cpaelzer> I'm trying to come up with a suggestions
[09:35] <cpaelzer> also d/p/power sounds like a file, but is a dir
[09:37] <mkukri> i have updated it a bit
[09:37] <mkukri> but do you have a suggestion for the dirs?
[09:37] <cpaelzer> yes
[09:37] <mkukri> maybe d/p/power/*.patch: ....
[09:37] <cpaelzer> on it ...
[09:37] <LocutusOfBorg> lvoytek, hello you there? can you please merge lua5.4 from Debian and forward there the Ubuntu delta? to me looks all upstreamable in Debian, I can sponsor if needed
[09:37] <cpaelzer> almost what I had
[09:38] <cpaelzer> mkukri: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kP53vGx274/
[09:38] <cpaelzer> again it is style, no rule
[09:38] <cpaelzer> just trying to suggest to make it more clear what really happened
[09:38] <cpaelzer> feel free to stick to your own words if you do not like it
[09:39] <cpaelzer> and while we are on patches that you have properly split (thanks) to one per commit. How about proper https://dep-team.pages.debian.net/deps/dep3/ ?
[09:40] <cpaelzer> I could see a Bug: 1742941 / Bug: 1932010  ... 1998470  to be helpful tags
[09:40] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Bug 1742941 in zlib (Ubuntu) "zlib: improve  crc32 performance on P8" [Low, Fix Released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1742941
[09:40] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Bug 1932010 in zlib (Ubuntu) "[21.10 FEAT] zlib CRC32 optimization for s390x" [High, Fix Released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1932010
[09:41] <cpaelzer> and even more, now that they are well split - Origin: upstream, <url>
[09:41] <cpaelzer> I love that to ensure people can easily follow up on how things might have changed since then and to compare if it really is 100% the same as upstream
[09:41] <cpaelzer> next comment would be that you have some changelog lines that are too wide
[09:42] <cpaelzer> please break them
[09:42] <cpaelzer> actually lintian should yell at you
[09:42] <mkukri> some of that is already there, ive cherry-picked the patches from git, and used gbp to export them
[09:42] <mkukri> i can add the origin url tho
[09:42] <cpaelzer> yep, the URL helps as the hash at the top might have been changed by you doing it that way
[09:45] <cpaelzer> as I said, I sadly do not have the time to go deeper
[09:46] <cpaelzer> but I hope that helps that the next reviewer does not stumble over these more superficial things
[09:55] <mkukri> pushed an updated version with the urls, thank you for the comments
[09:57] <mkukri> also, i'd like someone to sponsor this: https://code.launchpad.net/~mkukri/grub/+git/grub/+merge/455991
[09:57] <mkukri> it only affects grub-install, so grub2:src upload is enough and none of the fancy UEFI signing or anything is needed
[10:01] <mkukri> (im also working on upstreaming that patch, but might as well fix ubuntu now)
[10:05] <cpaelzer> artur: completed your case, uploaded to noble
[10:05] <cpaelzer> artur: it needed much more, I hope the updates on the bug help you fur future uploads
[10:06] <cpaelzer> artur: please follow up with testing, updating the debdiffs for SRU uploads and then ask again for sponsoring
[10:07] <cpaelzer> Sorry mkukri my pilot shift is over (started early, need to end early) now and I have other things to attent, but you should have plenty of folks of your team around to have a look right?
[10:07] <cpaelzer> @pilot out
[10:09] <mkukri> yeah no worries. im just leaving the links here in case, but yeah im also trying to get foundations peeps to look at both zlib and this


[00:28] <guiverc> Nick78, are you sure you haven't ruled out hardware issues?  ie. if you boot a very different system (even a *live* system) does it happen there.
[00:29] <guiverc> For filing bugs on Lubuntu (we use the same tracker launchpad as Ubuntu does), please refer to our wiki page - https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/bugs/ ; you use `ubuntu-bug <package-name>` where that page should help identify package names for most things
[00:29] <guiverc> Nick78, ^   , though your issue seems to relate more to kernel, ie `ubuntu-bug linux` I'd bet
[00:31] <Nick78> I am dual booting along with Windows Vista and it appears to run and boot just fine.  I ran a memory test for 10 minutes without errors.
[00:31] <guiverc> 10 mins isn't long for memtest... i usually run them overnight; and if it's a box I want to trust; 1-3 days
[00:32] <Nick78> Yes, I am also seeing this and am wondering if it is still a bug--> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/friendly-recovery/+bug/1790468
[00:32] <Nick78> Thanks...I will run the memory test overnight, tonight.
[00:34] <guiverc> given you say windows works; have you checked drive health (ie. SMART) as it maybe related to the area of disk you've installed Lubuntu on as it'll differ to where windows resides.. ie. ask the drive if it's healthy?    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Smartmontools   but Lubuntu has a GUI tool (https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/3/3.1/3.1.7/kde_partitionmanager.html) but note I'd evalaute drive health from *live* media; ie thumb-drive so drive
[00:34] <guiverc> isn't in use
[00:36] <guiverc> looking at the bug report; I'd not pay any attention to it.. little detail is provided & it's a very old 4.15 kernel
[00:38] <guiverc> also note: you got reponses last time you asked; but you had gone (you can read back IRClogs to check to see if you got replies after you left; people accessing IRC via bridge (ie. telegram, m???) can't see if you leave
[00:39] <guiverc> https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[03:46] <Bill> Hello all, I have been having a problem trying to install lubuntu on my machine.
[04:27] <Nick78> Thank you Chris.  I'm still looking through the logfiles for more responses...
[04:28] <Nick78> Smartmontools and partitionmanager both showed ok, good, or N/A...
[05:13] <Nick78> I am logging off now.  Never found the logfile with my previous conversations but will look some more tomorrow.
[07:30] <feherdj> helo


[12:18] <geo_> Can somone tell me what the difference is between the CD version, and the DVD version?  Like what extra stuff is on the DVD