[00:45] <maclesea> hi, I have an Ubuntu Touch Nexus 4 latest updates (devel channel) - how do I get my Google contacts to sync to the phone? I have tried this, but to no avail: http://askubuntu.com/questions/360554/how-do-i-sync-google-contacts
[00:52] <wxl> maclesea: how many contacts do you have?
[00:52] <maclesea> 150+
[00:53] <maclesea> I'm a very popular person ;-)
[00:53] <wxl> that may be part of the problem
[00:54] <wxl> i have a lot too and i'm having the same problem
[00:54] <wxl> with -devel-proposed
[00:54] <wxl> have you tried the adb solution?
[00:55] <maclesea> yes - it said it could not connect to Gnome keyring...I'll need to run through it again to get you the exact error
[00:56] <wxl> harumph
[00:56] <wxl> i have "no such datastore"
[00:56] <maclesea> I had to guess my way through some of it...the instructions are out of date
[00:56] <wxl> did you try adding --keyring=no?
[00:57] <maclesea> in the command where you enter "Google_Contacts" I switched that to "Google"
[00:58] <maclesea> that got me past the "no such datastore" issue
[01:01] <wxl> bah wow this isn't working for me either
[01:05] <maclesea> yeah, it's kinda lame :-\  it's set up to sync out of the box...it just doesn't do it... I wonder if the official Ubuntu Touch phones that are being sold have the same issue...
[01:05] <wxl> you should file a bug
[01:05] <wxl> but meanwhile you might want to switch to the rtm channel and see
[01:09] <maclesea> yeah, I'll file a bug... thanks for your time :-)
[01:54] <Nikesh> Which touch devices does Ubuntu run best on?
[02:01] <elimisteve> Nikesh: Canonical officially supports the Nexus 4
[02:01] <elimisteve> and the new Aquaris from BQ just came out, as you've probably heard
[02:02] <elimisteve> rumor has it that the Meizu MX4 -- which has much better specs than those other 2 phones -- will be on display at Mobile World Congress in about 2 weeks, running Ubuntu Touch
[02:02] <Nikesh> Ahh
[02:02] <Nikesh> awesome!
[02:03] <elimisteve> Sounds like Ubuntu Touch runs pretty well on the Nexus 5, but I'm not sure everything works
[02:03] <elimisteve> I'm currently deciding between buying a Nexus 4, and waiting at least a few months to buy the MX4 (I'm in the US)
[02:08] <Nikesh> Would you use either of them with a carrier, or just as a tablet?
[02:10] <elimisteve> Nikesh: I'm not expecting Ubuntu Touch to be my daily driver/main phone quite yet, so I plan to use my Nexus 5 (running Android) as a wifi hotspot that the Ubuntu Touch device connects to to get internet access
[02:10] <elimisteve> that drains both batteries, but at least I'll have 4G internet on both, and use Ubuntu Touch more and more until it's the only phone I need :-)
[02:11] <Nikesh> Ah, awesome
[02:11] <elimisteve> I need to be able to do encrypted SMS, tethering, and a couple other things that I don't think Ubuntu Touch can do at present
[02:11] <Nikesh> Btw, do you have any experience with any Android laptops? They seem interesting..
[02:12] <elimisteve> I don't.  I'm on a Chromebook right now, whose SSD I replaced with a much bigger one, and threw Xubuntu on here
[02:12] <elimisteve> so that's what I've done, cheap laptop-wise
[02:13] <Nikesh> Ah, how do you find Xubuntu functions on it?
[02:13] <elimisteve> it's great, thanks to https://www.distroshare.com/distros/get/14/
[02:13] <Nikesh> I asked about Chromebooks in #ubuntu and was quickly shutdown.. one person said that it "doesn't truly run ubuntu"
[02:14] <elimisteve> which customized Xubuntu to work well on the Acer C720 Chromebook
[02:14] <elimisteve> well ChromeOS can't do everything I need, so I can understand not being content with that
[02:14] <Nikesh> Yes, ChromeOS can't do everything I need, but the Chromebook hardware is appealing to me, for that it is very lightweight
[02:15] <Nikesh> I mostly do web development with vim/node/testing in browsers, and occasionally image editing in gimp
[02:15] <elimisteve> but the hardware is solid, especially for $340!  I basically have an $800 laptop for $400  http://smile.amazon.com/Acer-C720-Chromebook-11-6-Inch-4GB/dp/B00FNPD1OY/
[02:15] <Nikesh> So I am looking for a device that is light, but has good performance for those tasks
[02:15] <Nikesh> Thanks for the links
[02:15] <elimisteve> cool. I'm a Go/Python/JS developer and use this machine for that purpose
[02:16] <Nikesh> Ah awesome
[02:16] <elimisteve> this one's a bit better: http://smile.amazon.com/Acer-C720-3404-11-6-Inch-Chromebook-Granite/dp/B00KOUIZBC/
[02:17] <Nikesh> Ah, and you say that you upgraded the SSD?
[02:18] <elimisteve> Nikesh: yup, using this guide -- http://www.androidcentral.com/how-upgrade-ssd-your-acer-c720-chromebook
[02:19] <Nikesh> Thanks!
[02:19] <Nikesh> What size do you have on it?
[02:19] <Nikesh> So the C720 isn't ARM, then?
[02:19] <elimisteve> bought the 128GB one for $65
[02:20] <elimisteve> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00EZ2E8NO/
[02:21] <elimisteve> going from a 32GB SSD to a 128GB SSD is huge :-).  If I need more than 100GB of data stored locally, I can put it on an external drive
[02:22] <elimisteve> soon I hope to run Ubuntu literally everywhere!  Desktop, laptop, servers, and soon -- smartphone
[02:23] <elimisteve> I didn't buy the convergence story at all when I first heard it, but the way that people keep buying smartphones but needing bigger screens or better keyboards, it seems to be happening...
[02:23] <Nikesh> hm, convergence story?
[02:24] <elimisteve> yes, see many talks from Mark Shuttleworth, and http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-Convergence-Is-Working-Check-Out-Grreat-Flashback-App-Video-461548.shtml
[02:26] <Nikesh> Funny, I've really wanted a Chromebook for its hardware, but I didn't want to give up Ubuntu. I'm happy you've shared all this!
[02:28] <Nikesh> The RAM cannot be upgraded?
[02:37] <Nikesh> Do you have a link for how to install HugeGreenBug's Xubuntu? Would you say it runs natively, or like someone in #ubuntu said, it runs on top of ChromeOS?
[02:38] <elimisteve> Nikesh: RAM can't be upgraded, no; it's 4GB forever
[02:38] <elimisteve> Nikesh: it absolutely does not run on top of ChromeOS
[02:38] <elimisteve> it natively runs on this device
[02:38] <elimisteve> ChromeOS is gone
[02:38] <Nikesh> ah, good :D
[02:40] <Nikesh> What's the install process? Do you have a link to a guide perhaps?
[02:40] <elimisteve> looking...
[02:41] <elimisteve> you must enable Legacy Boot mode, so you can install a non-ChromeOS OS  http://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/developer-information-for-chrome-os-devices/acer-c720-chromebook#TOC-Developer-Mode
[02:42] <Nikesh> Do you use a flash drive to install?
[02:42] <elimisteve> then I think I wrote Xubuntu to an SD card, then booted the Chromebook with that
[02:42] <Nikesh> Aha
[02:43] <elimisteve> the forums in https://www.distroshare.com/distros/get/14/ are VERY helpful
[02:43] <elimisteve> from that DistroShare page --
[02:43] <elimisteve> How to install:
[02:43] <elimisteve> - Follow this guide: http://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/764181-how-to-install-linux-on-an-acer-c720-chromebook. It explains how to install Bodhi Linux instead of standard Ubuntu and also explains how to dual boot. Just replace the Bodhi Linux iso with the one from this site.
[02:43] <elimisteve> works great, and I'm probably about to set a friend up with the same configuration
[02:44] <elimisteve> it's light enough to carry around at < 3lbs, it's fast thanks to 4GB RAM and the SSD, and because Xubuntu is a light-weight OS
[02:44] <elimisteve> recommended for sure!
[02:44] <elimisteve> anyway, I must go for now
[02:44] <Nikesh> Thanks for all the help
[02:44] <elimisteve> I want the MX4, but I may just get a Nexus 4 so I can develop apps now :-D hard to wait...
[02:44] <elimisteve> you bet, Nikesh
[03:07] <kyoei> Can anyone get notifications from the gmail app or Dekko? Is there anyway to set a polling interval?
[03:14] <elimisteve> kyoei: don't know, but I have a ton of questions like that for myself and may buy a Nexus 4 to install Ubuntu Touch onto so I can answer them all :-)
[03:15] <elimisteve> kyoei: I've been told that Ubuntu Touch can be run in the emulator that comes with the ubuntu-sdk package
[03:27] <kyoei> elimisteve: I have N4, with touch installed. I was running devel channel, but just changed to rtm. Seem to be getting notifications now, but still don't get push, and can't set polling interval.
[03:27] <kyoei> elimisteve: Also, doesn't seem to be anyway to get notifications from dekko
[03:33] <Nikesh> elimisteve: what do you think of the C720's battery life? Also, does 4GB seem to suffice for your development needs? What are your heaviest applications and how do they perform? I am trying to decide between this Chromebook and a regular laptop around the same price with a bit better performance/ram/processor, but heavier..
[03:43] <kyoei> Nikesh: I have c720 running ubuntu mate. It's the old 2g version. Works great. Flashed johnlewis firmware after removing write-protect screw, then coreboot.
[03:43] <kyoei> Nikesh: Battery life is 6-8 hours easy
[03:46] <Nikesh> Hm, i wonder what johnlewis firmware is? coreboot?
[03:58] <Nikesh> elimisteve: what about printing and scanning?
[04:02] <elimisteve> Nikesh: yes I get good battery life on my C720. For some reason I got better battery life when using Bodhi Linux, and not as good on Xubuntu, but it's still good. Not sure exactly what it is
[04:03] <elimisteve> Nikesh: well once you have Xubuntu installed, I mean, it's a regular, full Linux distro, so there shouldn't be any limitations there
[04:03] <elimisteve> printing over the network or via USB should work fine
[04:03] <elimisteve> I will say that having just 2 USB ports kinda sucks
[04:04] <Nikesh> aha
[04:04] <Nikesh> thanks for all the feedback
[04:05] <elimisteve> sure
[04:05] <Nikesh> what's the most intensive thing you use it for, and how well does it perform?
[04:07] <Nikesh> I am on a tiny 1.6ghz atom/1gb ram netbook, so most anything will feel faster, but I really want to make a wise upgrade.
[04:09] <elimisteve> Nikesh: the most intensive thing... having 50+ tabs open is pretty intensive
[04:10] <elimisteve> running all 4 components of a distributed system, each in its own Docker container, works really well
[04:10] <elimisteve> never had issues with the CPU, but for my use cases, if I have enough browser tabs open, I can run out of RAM
[04:12] <elimisteve> I used a netbook for a few years before I got 2 Chromebooks, and going from 1-2GB of RAM and a 5400rpm HD to 4GB RAM and an SSD makes a world of difference
[04:12] <Nikesh> sounds pretty good. i can barely have more than 4 tabs open..
[04:12] <Nikesh> i have to make very conservative browser navigations
[04:13] <elimisteve> but read other reviews for sure :-)
[04:13] <Nikesh> Chromebooks seem to be the cheapest way to get a lightweight laptop with an SSD
[04:13] <elimisteve> my co-workers have 16GB of RAM on their laptops, and that would be awesome
[04:13] <elimisteve> agreed
[04:13] <Nikesh> 16gb, wow
[04:13] <elimisteve> portability is really important to me, but not to most people
[04:13] <elimisteve> yeah, but those are like $1300 or $1600
[04:14] <Nikesh> my budget is <=500 right now
[04:14] <Nikesh> and yes, portability is quite important to me, too
[04:14] <Nikesh> even just around my own house :)
[04:19] <elimisteve> ah
[04:19] <elimisteve> ha okay then, a Chromebook sounds like a good choice
[04:30] <Nikesh> yeah! :D
[04:50] <Nikesh> btw, do you use any mini pcs for cloud storage?
[04:55] <Nikesh> maybe better to just get an external usb hdd
[09:13] <elimisteve> What's the best/easiest way to run Ubuntu Touch on my Nexus 5? MultiROM? Is there anything can't do with the MultiROM version that I _can_ do by installing UT onto my N5 some other way?
[10:20] <elimisteve> ...okay, running Ubuntu Touch on my Nexus 5 thanks to MultiROM
[10:39] <dobby5> Moin ich hoffe einfach mal das jemand hier deutsch kann weiß jemand von euch ob es eine Ubuntu touch version für sony xperia z 2 gibt ?
[10:41] <dobby5> Hello, does anyone of you whether it 's An Ubuntu Touch version for the Sony Xperia z2 ?
[11:06] <svij> dobby5: it's not listed here (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices), so no.
[11:08] <elimisteve> I'm getting permissions errors 'sudo apt-get update' on Ubuntu Touch on my Nexus 5, running via MultiROM
[11:08] <elimisteve> I've been instructed not to 'apt-get upgrade', so don't worry -- I won't do that
[11:08] <elimisteve> I've even enabled developer mode
[11:08] <elimisteve> and rebooted
[11:08] <elimisteve> Any idea how to safely mount / as rw instead of ro
[11:08] <elimisteve> ?
[11:09] <elimisteve> "W: Not using lockeing for read only lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock" is the error
[11:09] <elimisteve> is mounted read-only, and /var is on the same partition as /, so that seems to be the issue
[11:11] <elimisteve> nevermind, found the answer at http://askubuntu.com/a/399723/125596
[11:13] <ogra_> you can use the phablet-config command from the phablet-tools package (in the equally named PPA), it has a --writable-image option
[11:13] <svij> is there a working script for creating screenshots over adb for krillin? This doesn't work → http://people.canonical.com/~j-lallement/touch/mirfbdump
[11:13] <ogra_> svij, phablet-screenshots from phablet-tools
[11:13] <ogra_> err
[11:14] <ogra_> phablet-screenshot ... no s
[11:14] <svij> ogra_: thx
[11:14] <ogra_> you want the version from the phablet-tools PPA
[11:14] <ogra_> (unless you run vivid on your PC :) )
[11:14] <svij> or how can I fix that the speaker symbol are present when doing it through the buttons
[11:16] <ogra_> you cant ... a fix is in the works though
[11:16] <svij> ah I see, so it's not my fault.
[11:16] <ogra_> until then phablet-screenshott is your best option
[11:16] <ogra_> no, it is unity8's fault :)
[11:17]  * svij needs to find his ubuntu laptop…
[11:25] <popey> i have my own odd screenshot taking script
[11:25] <popey> which automatically resizes the pic and then uploads to my webspace
[11:26] <popey> then echo's the url so you can copy/paste it easily
[11:45] <zapa_> any idea when the next ubuntu flash sale will happen? Got my yearly bonus from work!
[11:50] <ogra_> zapa_, not sure, but surely soon
[11:51] <zapa_> couldn
[11:51] <zapa_> couldn't get it last sale! Went into a meeting 4 minutes after it started and the site kept hiding the payment details!
[11:51] <zapa_> hoping things will be less stressed now! And with the bonus, I can get the E4.5 and have enough for a possible future ubuntu tablet!
[11:52] <ogra_> yeah, it was totally overloaded
[11:52] <ogra_> seems bq wasnt actually expecting such a run :)
[11:52] <zapa_> no one was!
[11:52] <zapa_> co-workers kept joking saying I'll be one of the 4 costumers!
[11:52] <ogra_> haha
[12:07] <zapa_> wooho, finall have Mutant Gangland running on N4 with ubuntu
[12:08] <zapa_> runs like crap though
[12:12] <ogra_> zapa_, well, you might need to make the framework support MIr properly
[12:12] <svij> ogra_: phablet-screenshot works fine, thanks for the hint
[12:12] <ogra_> or is that html5 based ?
[12:12] <zapa_> yeah, lots of work before I can move the games to it.
[12:12] <zapa_> ogra_: nope, C++ + SDL/GLUT depending on which host I'm using. First time "porting" something.
[12:13] <ogra_> ah
[12:13] <ogra_> well, Mir understands SDL2 afaik
[12:13] <zapa_> yep! Was thinking of rolling my own SDL2 framework using sturmflut's github template, but it doesn't run on the device (it does deploy)
[12:14] <ogra_> he is usually around in this channel during the week ... i'm sure he'll happily help
[12:14] <zapa_> and since most of my game's code is in LUA, I'd just need to setup the backend for handling images
[12:14] <ogra_> nice
[12:17] <elimisteve> definitely a good sign that BQ wasn't ready!
[12:17] <elimisteve> for all that demand, I mean
[12:19] <zapa_> they sold out twice, right? Would that mean they sold a batch that was prepared for another sale?
[12:23] <ogra_> might be, but they are surely able to raise the order at the factory quickly to compensate for that
[12:26] <zapa_> would it take ~1 week to produce 12K phones?
[12:26] <ogra_> no idea :)
[12:42] <elimisteve> ...just SSH'd into my Nexus 5 running Ubuntu Touch... installed nmap, htop, and go... this is awesome!
[12:43] <elimisteve> great work, everyone!
[12:48] <zapa_> ^ yep! With UbuntuTouch I can finally feel like I have a real computer in my pocket
[12:48] <elimisteve> seriously
[12:48] <elimisteve> I had a Sharp Zaurus in 2004, which allowed me to do some cool things, but
[12:53] <elimisteve> having more than 64MB of RAM, or whatever it was, enables much more :-)
[12:53] <popey> heh
[12:54]  * ogra_ would recommend using a chroot over making the system writable though
[12:55] <elimisteve> ogra_: why's that?
[12:55] <elimisteve> security?
[12:55] <ogra_> upgradeability
[12:56] <elimisteve> of the OS? without losing data/packages? What do you mean?
[12:56] <ogra_> if you make the system writeable you get a half working adb and a slightly broken system-image upgrade mechanism
[12:56] <ogra_> err
[12:56] <ogra_> s/adb/apt/
[12:57] <elimisteve> apt is working so far. What's broken?
[12:57] <ogra_> using a chroot you dont need to break the system-image setup and apt will fully work
[12:57] <elimisteve> and what would initial the chroot?
[12:57] <ogra_> you wont be able to upgrade
[12:57] <elimisteve> someone in here said that 'apt-get upgrade' could brick the device
[12:57] <ogra_> the readonly setup uses bind mounts into a writable partition for the writable bits
[12:58] <elimisteve> I installed UT from MultiROM on a N5, if that matters
[12:58] <ogra_> dpkg uses hard links when unpacking pakcage upgrades ...
[12:58] <ogra_> so if an existing package is upgraded and dpkg tries to replace the binary it will fail when trying to create a hardlink across partitions
[12:59] <ogra_> that means at some point your apt setup will break
[12:59] <elimisteve> hmm
[12:59] <ogra_> OTOH ... system-image uses diff upgrades against the readonly fs ... they get applied on toop of the install
[13:00] <popey> zapa_: http://mutantgangland.com/ is your game?
[13:00] <ogra_> if you change it by making it writable your changes will get reverted with the next system-image upgrade
[13:00] <elimisteve> ogra_: that sounds very clean
[13:00] <elimisteve> ogra_: where can I read about this specific chroot setup?
[13:01] <ogra_> install deboostrap and read up about how to use it (there is tons of docs ) .... then just create a chroot in /home/phablet
[13:01] <zapa_> popey: yep
[13:01] <popey> nice!
[13:01] <ogra_> then you can: chroot /home/phablet/mychroot ... and use apt cleanly in there
[13:02] <zapa_> it's offline from buying it for a little while. Going to open it up again once I'm done with alpha 2 and some legal papers (VAT stuff changed, lots of paperwork here to take care off)
[13:02] <zapa_> thinking of putting it up for free on ubuntu touch to get some traction going
[13:02] <popey> that would be awesome
[13:02] <popey> if you need testers on the bq devices, let us know, some of us have them ㋛
[13:02] <zapa_> going to try and get one! You received yours already?
[13:03] <zapa_> last I checked when the website was barely working it would ship to me in march
[13:03] <zapa_> or arrive in march (can't remember, doh)
[13:03] <popey> a few of us work for canonical
[13:03] <popey> so we had the android ones flashed with ubuntu for development / qa
[13:03] <popey> but yeah, i ordered one too, and ETA is march
[13:04] <zapa_> agh got it! I have a N4 running ubuntu right now, but the phone is about to die (speakers are purring and the touch hates the borders.. This was happening since before I flashed it)
[13:04] <zapa_> need a new phone and the BQ hit the right mark
[13:05] <elimisteve> ogra_: what kinds of changes to the system should I only make in the chroot? Package installations... anything else?
[13:06] <ogra_> well, everything apt realted
[13:06] <elimisteve> touching anything in /usr/bin and dirs like that, too, I assume?
[13:06] <popey> zapa_: well, good luck with the porting, you know where we are if you need help.
[13:06] <zapa_> thanks o/
[13:07] <elimisteve> not sure what the system image encompases, but that's the read-only part I don't want to change, yes? What system image updates?
[13:10] <popey> ogra_: you choot on the device?
[13:10] <popey> how do you do that without debootstrap?
[13:10] <ogra_> popey, sure, why not
[13:11] <ogra_> you could use the ubuntu-core tarball
[13:11] <popey> ah
[13:11] <popey> although debootstrap has near zero dependencies
[13:11] <popey> all of which are on the phone
[13:12] <ogra_> yes
[13:12] <ogra_> you coudl just install ti as the only extra package and make the system ro again
[13:12] <ogra_> snappy will make this all easier :)
[13:12] <elimisteve> sudo apt-get install debootstrap
[13:12] <popey> i dont want to make my phone rw
[13:12] <ogra_> well, then grab the ubuntu-core tarball
[13:13] <ogra_> untar ... chroot into it
[13:13] <ogra_> (mount /proc, /dev and /sys (dont forget to unmount later) and just use apt)
[13:13] <popey> good call
[13:14] <popey> shame my sd card is vfat :)
[13:14] <popey> could do it on that
[13:14] <ogra_> for advanced users: use an lxc container ;)
[13:14] <elimisteve> haven't made a chroot in a while
[13:14] <popey> \o/ lunch
[13:14] <elimisteve> thanks ogra_
[13:20] <zapa_> btw, any news on canonical going forward with BQ? Would love to see the aquarius E10 tablet with ubuntu on it :D
[13:23] <ogra_> geez, we have only just started ... :)
[13:24] <ogra_> no plans yet, let the first thing prove itself first :)
[13:25] <ogra_> (while that first flash sale was surely a success, it needs show how persistent it is ...)
[13:29] <zapa_> I know :D
[13:30] <zapa_> it's just the fanboy in me being excited by his OS on portable gadgets
[13:31]  * zapa_ goes and draws the ubuntu logo on a piece of paper and sticks it on his altar
[13:33] <elimisteve> ha
[13:33] <popey> :)
[13:33] <elimisteve> we don't know how many devices were actually sold during the first flash sale, do we?
[13:33] <popey> public numbers haven't been given out for commercial reasons
[13:33] <elimisteve> fair enough
[13:33] <popey> but I think it's fair to say demand was "more than bq expected"
[13:34] <elimisteve> yes
[14:39] <lord4163> Is Ubuntu Phone based of legacy Ubuntu? Does it have apt-get for example?
[14:41] <popey>  it is ubuntu
[14:41] <popey> it has apt on it but we don't generally recommend people use it
[14:42] <lord4163> popey: How does the repo look like, does it have all binary packages? so I can install let's say iperf on it?
[14:43] <popey> you probably could
[14:43] <popey> if it's in the archive
[14:43] <popey> the phone has a fork of the archive, which doesn't have everything
[14:44] <lord4163> cool
[14:49] <zapa_> for a second there I was going to say "people shouldn't use apt? But how are they going to install the apps"
[14:51] <lord4163> zapa_: I think popey wants us to install applications by click packages or snappy?
[14:51] <zapa_> yeah but I forgot for a moment that ubuntu touch has a store :D
[14:51] <lord4163> zapa_: has it?
[14:52] <zapa_> yeah!
[14:52] <lord4163> zapa_: unofficial one you mean?
[14:52] <zapa_> nope! official app store
[14:52] <zapa_> you can get scopes and apps from there
[14:53] <lord4163> zapa_: I thought popey told something about an unofficial store on LUP
[14:53] <popey> https://appstore.bhdouglass.com/apps
[14:53] <popey> thats that
[14:54] <popey> unofficial web frontend to our store
[14:54] <popey> uses our ap
[14:54] <popey> *api
[14:54] <zapa_> lord4163: (via google) http://ubuntulife.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Nexus-5-App-Store.png
[14:54] <zapa_> need to learn how to take a screenshot on touch
[14:54] <popey> zapa_: phablet-screenshot, from the phablet-tools package from the ubuntu-sdk-team ppa
[14:55] <zapa_> no way currently on the device itself?
[14:56] <popey> you can
[14:56] <popey> hold both vol up and vol down
[14:56] <popey> but there's a bug
[14:56] <popey> it captures the volume control on screen :(
[14:57] <zapa_> good enough for development :D
[14:57] <popey> ya
[14:57] <zapa_> unless the problem occurs in that region! I can always offset the viewport a bit
[14:57] <svij> where can I find the german localisation strings of the phone?
[14:59] <popey> svij: for specific apps?
[15:00] <svij> popey: nope, found two mistakes on the lock screen and in the settings
[15:00] <svij> I only found this → https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone-coreapps
[15:00] <popey> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-system-settings
[15:01] <popey> https://translations.launchpad.net/unity8
[15:01] <svij> ah
[15:01] <svij> thx
[15:01] <popey> http://projects.davidplanella.org/stats/utopic/de is good for "what's not been translated"
[15:07] <svij> I don't find the "Checking for updates…" string (system settings → updates) …
[15:08] <svij> oh, never mind.
[15:08] <ogra_> svij,could be in  ubuntu-download-manager i think
[15:09] <svij> found it: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-system-settings/trunk/+pots/ubuntu-system-settings/de/368/+translate
[15:09] <svij> weird thing is, my phone just shows "Aktualisierun…" instead of "Aktualisierungen werden gesucht …"
[15:11] <ogra_> i doubt the whole line would fit anyway
[15:11] <ogra_> but yeah, the text field seems to short
[15:12] <svij> ok, then it's not a translation error
[15:12] <ogra_> more likely an app error, yeah
[15:13] <svij> but it does show "Checking for updates…" in English, which is actually longer than "Aktualisierun…"
[15:13] <ogra_> yeah
[15:13] <svij> so the field is not too short?
[15:14] <ogra_> dunno, file a bug and have someone check :)
[15:14] <svij> I'm not sure where exactly I should file a bug
[15:15] <ogra_> against ubuntu--system-settings
[15:15] <svij> ok
[15:24] <svij> done
[16:27] <zapa_> is there any way to pass CMAKE some arguments from within QTCreator?
[16:28] <zapa_> UbuntuSDK*
[16:29] <zapa_> and found it
[21:22] <ppd> hi. Anyone here on hammerhead with one of the latest vivid-proposed images? Are you able to open click apps beyond the splash screen?
[21:23] <NymeriaFR> Hello guy
[21:23] <NymeriaFR> Have someone a tips for use .torrent in ubuntu-touch ?
[21:27] <mariogrip_> I am trying to port Ubuntu touch to OnePlus One, but i get an Kernel panic: Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! exitcode=0x00000200 (full last_kmsg: http://pastebin.com/igt0TjYw) Please help me
[21:29] <ahayzen> NymeriaFR, if you are looking to do torrenting on your ubuntu-touch device, look at the app called 'DowNow'
[21:30] <NymeriaFR> I would like create an app for download podcast by .torrent
[21:32] <ahayzen> NymeriaFR, probably best to look at how they have done it as they have used libtorrent https://code.launchpad.net/downow
[21:33] <NymeriaFR> I search on ubuntu store
[21:33] <NymeriaFR> there is now app for 'downow'
[21:40] <NymeriaFR> I'm looking source code
[21:40] <NymeriaFR> it seems use docker
[22:30] <NymeriaFr> Hello guys
[22:30] <NymeriaFr> If I use docker for one of my application, is install docker image each time I lunch the application or just once ?


[08:52] <bthomas> morning
[09:01] <Chipaca> 👋
[09:02] <bthomas> morning
[11:11] <bthomas> Chipaca: I am currently patching/mocking the OCI image fetch call for tests. I noticed harness has "add_oci_resource". I tried to use it instead of mocking. I could not get it to work for the use case of just providing a image name that is then injected into a pod spec. Am I misunderstanding its use case ?
[11:14] <Chipaca> bthomas: maybe https://github.com/canonical/operator/blob/master/test/test_testing.py#L832 helps?
[11:19] <bthomas> Thanks. Works Now. Had to setup "registrypath", "username", "password".
[11:20] <facubatista> ¡Muy buenos días a todos!
[11:20] <bthomas> hola facubatista
[11:21] <bthomas> damm I was trying to race you to good morning
[11:21]  * facubatista downgraded the nvidia driver, tired of rebooting and hangs
[11:21] <facubatista> hola bthomas :)
[11:21] <bthomas> This is one reason I only use intel drivers
[11:23] <bthomas> Chipaca: Is there a recommended way to test for charm logic that defers events ?
[11:24] <Chipaca> bthomas: no
[12:58] <facubatista> bthomas, can I use intel drivers with nvidia hardware? :p
[13:00] <bthomas> :-)
[13:03] <Chipaca> facubatista: i mean, you can!
[13:04] <Chipaca> … good luck?
[13:04] <facubatista> Chipaca, ... meeting?
[13:04] <Chipaca> facubatista: can we skip this one?
[13:04] <Chipaca> knees deep in a review it took me all morning to get into
[13:04] <facubatista> Chipaca, yes we can
[13:04] <Chipaca> thank you
[13:10]  * bthomas -> lunch
[14:04] <bthomas> Chipaca: After harness.add_relation and harness.add_relation_unit framework.model.get_relation(PEER) returns None in the charm. Is this expected behaviour ?
[14:24] <Chipaca> bthomas: can i see the code?
[14:25] <bthomas> Chipaca: https://github.com/canonical/mongodb-operator/blob/master/src/charm.py Please see self.peer_relation initialized in __init__
[14:25] <bthomas> I have not yet pushed test code
[14:27] <Chipaca> bthomas: i can only assume that the arguments to add_relation and/or add_relation_unit are somehow lacking
[14:28] <bthomas> Thanks will dig a bit further.
[14:28] <Chipaca> bthomas: what's the first arguemnt to add_relation?
[14:28] <bthomas> Chipaca: name of peer relation
[14:28] <Chipaca> bthomas: so, PEER?
[14:29] <bthomas> Chipaca: Its expansion "cluster"
[14:29] <Chipaca> bthomas: and did you pass in a metadata.yaml to harness?
[14:29] <Chipaca> to Harness() i mean
[14:29] <Chipaca> or is it picking up the one from the charm itself?
[14:30] <bthomas> Chipaca: Isn't metadata.yaml argument to harness optional, because it picks it up from parent directory nif not provided
[14:30] <Chipaca> yes that is what i am asking
[14:30] <bthomas> I suspect this may not be a bug but a concequence of when the charm class is constructed during the test. Since my test on does set_leader, add_relation, add_relation_unit, update_relation_data
[14:31] <bthomas> meant "only does"
[15:54] <mup> PR operator#453 opened: Basic goal-state exposure <Created by justinmclark> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/453>
[17:44] <bthomas> Chipaca: Is there a specific way to remove a related unit in the testing harness ? Or is this just a question of triggering a relation departed event with the unit name as event data ?
[17:46] <Chipaca> bthomas: there is no support for it. Should we add a remove_relation_unit?
[17:47] <Chipaca> del_relation_unit?
[17:47] <Chipaca> in any case there is no support for it today
[17:47] <Chipaca> in the harness i mean
[17:48] <bthomas> Chipaca: I think that will be useful. Which ever way seems appropriate.
[17:49] <Chipaca> bthomas: can you file an issue for it?
[17:49] <bthomas> Chipaca: doing now
[17:49] <Chipaca> it might need some care to support add/del/add/del not breaking stuff :)
[17:54] <mup> Issue operator#454 opened: Facility to test changes when related units depart <Created by balbirthomas> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/454>
[17:54] <Chipaca> bthomas: thanks
[17:55] <bthomas> welcome
[17:57] <bthomas> Chipaca: If feeling better, I will ping jldev tomorrow and see if I can work on this issue in operator framework, at least temporarily. Mongodb is in reasonably good shape and I can return to it soon after.
[17:57] <Chipaca> bthomas: 👍
[17:57] <Chipaca> i'm going to EOD, now
[17:57] <Chipaca> ttfn etc 🙂
[17:58] <bthomas> Me too. night night all
[17:58] <Chipaca> take care
[18:12]  * facubatista bbl
[19:34]  * facubatista is back
[22:47]  * facubatista eods