[12:24] <WeirdAl> #
[12:25] <vixus> XD Yep
[12:25] <vixus> Computers... out to get you at any moment.
[12:25] <dabugas> WeirdAl: is it a dvd or a divx?
[12:25] <dabugas> vixus: is that why we use linux? to avoid all this ;)
[12:26] <vixus> yes.
[12:26] <vixus> but... I meant computers in general.
[12:26] <dabugas> :)
[12:27] <vixus> I mean, Linux > Windoze... but I have to keep Windows for games (and parents)
[12:27] <dockane> is there no way to configure the display within the window system ?
[12:28] <dabugas> vixus: i don't play games. except for mame stuff. i mean, if you have ms pacman, who cares for 3rd graphics :p
[12:29] <vixus> tut tut. Half-Life 2 and FS2004 are taking up my computer time.
[12:29] <Rattboi> FS
[12:29] <vixus> flight simulatr
[12:29] <Rattboi> oh
[12:30] <Nostromo^> how come when i use sudo some things require my password to be retyped and others don't? what decides that?
[12:30] <funky> in what package is the synaptic gnome applet ?
[12:31] <vixus> dabugas: libgnome It's already the latest version!!!
[12:31] <vixus> Nostromo^: If you've typed it in once for that app/command, you don';t have to do it again
[12:31] <dabugas> vixus: when you apt-get install bluefish
[12:31] <dabugas> what does it say?
[12:32] <vixus> it installed fine I think.
[12:32] <Nostromo^> vixus, gotchya. thanks.
[12:32] <vixus> Nostromo^: np
[12:32] <Nostromo^> Vixus, and what's with the no root password question the installation process? is it an ubuntu design call?
[12:33] <vixus> Yes.
[12:33] <Nostromo^> s/the/in the/
[12:33] <vixus> You just have to use your user password with sudo.
[12:33] <vixus> It makes it much simpler for newbies.
[12:33] <odie5533> Anyone know how to use vmware on ubuntu?
[12:33] <dabugas> Nostromo^: there's an article about this at the ubuntu wiki, explaining ubuntu's rationale behind this decision
[12:33] <WeirdAl> oh, sorry, went miles away.
[12:34] <WeirdAl> dabugas: it's everything.
[12:34] <Nostromo^> thanks dabugas and vixus, i'll look into it. Though I'll probably just remove myself from admins and use root when I need too. seems more secure that way.
[12:34] <WeirdAl> DVDs do it, DivXs do it, xmms does it
[12:34] <WeirdAl> xmms seems to always do it though.
[12:34] <vixus> dabugas: Let me check bluefish.
[12:35] <dabugas> WeirdAl: did this begin after you did something in particular or was it never playing correctly?
[12:35] <KeithWeisshar> does ubuntu and kubuntu release at the same time
[12:35] <WeirdAl> I don't know. I've only had Ubuntu for a couple of days so I don't know what it was like before.
[12:35] <WeirdAl> Yesterday, all sound was out of synch, even if I rebooted. Today it seems to be fine.
[12:36] <KeithWeisshar> i'm having problem with the ubuntu live cd, it's not detecting my 3c509b nic
[12:36] <vixus> dabugas: Nope, open url still doesn't work.
[12:36] <Quinn_Storm> KeithWeisshar: try doing a modprobe 3c509...I have the same nic and the driver works...
[12:37] <dabugas> vixus: try running bluefish from a console and see what error it spits out
[12:37] <dabugas> WeirdAl: 1) restarting rarely does anything in linux 2) did you update or change anything between today and yesterday?
[12:38] <KeithWeisshar> do i need to do a modprobe 3c509 every time i boot up in order to access the internet
[12:38] <Nostromo^> Should my diskonkey be auto-mounted? it's a bit disappointing that it doesn't.. im on hoary, amd64 (/var/log/messages shows that the kernel detected the device)
[12:38] <WeirdAl> I did an upgrade when I turned it on today and there was nothing to do.
[12:38] <WeirdAl> so I was up to date yesterday.
[12:38] <KeithWeisshar> the live cd is very slow
[12:38] <dabugas> KeithWeisshar: you just add it to /etc/modules
[12:38] <WeirdAl> Can't think of anything else I'd done, unless it was something in my previous session that was still running and caused the sound to be out of sync.
[12:39] <Nostromo^> KeithWeisshar, no, it should auto-load it whenever it's needed. you just need to have a line in /etc/modules.conf which is roughy like "alias eth0 3c509", which you probably already do.
[12:39] <vixus> dabugas: Oh, it's working... It was a problem with my FTP.
[12:39] <vixus> dabugas: Thnaks
[12:39] <dabugas> no prob, vixus
[12:39] <KeithWeisshar> i'm only running from live cd
[12:40] <vixus> dabugas: I can even play with creating directories.
[12:40] <dabugas> KeithWeisshar: i don't know how to rectify that. i guess you'll have to do it everytime. theoretically you could create a bootdisk that loads the live cd and has a script to simply load your module but that sounds like a lot of hassle :)
[12:41] <WeirdAl> Can I put a CD-eject icon on my launcher bar?
[12:41] <ruffian> Hello
[12:41] <Frafraxy> hello ruffian
[12:41] <ruffian> How can you choose the screen resolution at login?
[12:41] <ruffian> i can't seem to find it anywhere
[12:41] <KeithWeisshar> should i order the ubuntu cd and have it shipped to the computer user group
[12:42] <Frafraxy> how can i change the boot sequence?
[12:42] <ruffian> Hey Frafraxy
[12:42] <dabugas> WeirdAl: not that i know of; but i've only been using ubuntu for a couple of days
[12:42] <Frafraxy> i'm using a hoary-amd
[12:42] <dabugas> a few days, actually
[12:42] <ruffian> Frafraxy: You need to go into bios
[12:42] <ruffian> wait
[12:42] <WeirdAl> Apparently if I remove totem I'll remove ubuntu-desktop.
[12:42] <KeithWeisshar> is hoary-amd only for athlons
[12:42] <ruffian> You mean choosing between windows and ubuntu Frafraxy?
[12:42] <Frafraxy> no,
[12:43] <WeirdAl> but totem is starting to annoy me and I don't want it, and I don't like the idea of removing something called ubuntu-desktop
[12:43] <dabugas> Frafraxy: maybe there's a better way, i just edited /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[12:43] <dabugas>  to permanently change my resolution
[12:43] <Frafraxy> it try to sync to ntp.ubuntu*
[12:43] <Frafraxy> and then it try to connect
[12:43] <dabugas> WeirdAl: don't worry about it. ubuntu-desktop is just a dumb package: it just requires several packages, removing it will not them.
[12:44] <dockane> debugas, i do not have that file but want to edit the resolutions.
[12:44] <WeirdAl> OK then :-)
[12:44] <dockane> where do i find it ?
[12:44] <dabugas> dockane: are you on hoary with xorg?
[12:44] <Frafraxy> can i exchange?
[12:45] <dockane> Linux T12ubuntu 2.6.10-2-686 #1 Thu Jan 27 13:39:43 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[12:45] <dockane> is this hoary ?
[12:45] <oz__> has anyone a solution for Bug 6920 https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6920 tey? DMA failing for some (DVD) devices
[12:45] <dabugas> WeirdAl: be aware that if you update ubuntu later, from warty to hoary or something you must check out the newer ubuntu-desktop to see if they've added any nifty new things you may have missed :)
[12:45] <KeithWeisshar> when i boot from the live cd it tries to sync to the ntp time server and fails
[12:46] <KeithWeisshar> it tries to sync to ntp.ubuntulinux.org
[12:46] <WeirdAl> Well I'm already on hoary
[12:46] <ruffian> KeithWeisshar: Tired other servers?
[12:47] <WeirdAl> Keith: what sort of network card are you using?
[12:47] <dockane> debugas : only haven got a xorg.conf
[12:47] <WeirdAl> My laptop wouldn't do it because I had to do extra messing around to get the PCMCIA card to work.
[12:47] <KeithWeisshar> 3c509b isa
[12:47] <Frafraxy> can i disable the sync to ntp.ubuntulinux.org at boot?
[12:47] <WeirdAl> You can press ctrl-c when it does it.
[12:47] <WeirdAl> That'll skip it.
[12:48] <KeithWeisshar> the link light doesn't come on when i boot from the live cd
[12:48] <dabugas> dockane: maybe, not sure :) anyway what is your xserver? in order to have the file i mentioned you have to have xserver-xfree86, if you have xorg (which i think hoary has) the file may be different but it should be somewhere in /etc
[12:48] <gnert> I upgraded Hoary earlier today, and after rebooting I no longer had internet access. There already seem to be a few posts about this on the forums, but no solutions so far... anyone else have this problem?
[12:48] <ryle> #ubuntu
[12:48] <membreya> Frafraxy: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#permanentlydisableenableboot-upservice
[12:48] <Frafraxy> thanks, membreya
[12:49] <dabugas> membreya: he's on a live cd, tho
[12:50] <dockane> debugas, yes you are right. there is xorg.conf in /etc/X11 but the solution i got from google tells me to change vert and horsync-> these entries are not in my xorg.conf
[12:50] <funky> anyone using linux-wlan-ng drivers ?
[12:50] <KeithWeisshar> should i order the 5.04 cd via shipit
[12:50] <funky> i havent prism2_cs, it just comes with prism2_usb
[12:50] <dabugas> dockane: i can't be sure, but that sounds dubious.
[12:53] <bolamix> hi again
[12:53] <bodhi> hi
[12:53] <dockane> well a lot of people have problems with linux on thinkpads, esecially with then savage graphic chipset. all the solutions require this xf86config or whatever. i ve installed ubuntu from cd and the only resolution i can change to is 640 and which more and more is annoying because a lot of windows are out of sight
[12:54] <bolamix> i just installed fglrx-control from package manager
[12:54] <bodhi> has hoary changed to X from XFree?
[12:54] <bolamix> can anyone tell me where to find it now please?
[12:54] <dockane> cd=dvd
[12:54] <Frafraxy> how i can do for format a disk with fat32?
[12:55] <KeithWeisshar> is bittorrent the fastest way to download ubuntu
[12:55] <bolamix> yes bittorrent is fastest i think
[12:55] <gnert> bodhi; Yeah.
[12:55] <dockane> KeithWeisshar, think so.
[12:56] <KeithWeisshar> do you have bittorrent 4.0.1
[12:56] <KeithWeisshar> i use bittorrent 4.0.1 to download the iso
[12:56] <bolamix> i haven't used bittorrent on ubuntu yet, but on winblows it's way faster than the regular web download
[12:56] <shank_> Frafraxy, mkfs.vfat?
[12:56] <dockane> gnert, any idea how to do tis things :
[12:56] <dockane> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=117305&highlight=IM+thinkpad+t0
[12:57] <dockane> ?
[12:57] <bolamix> food time, i'll come back later with more ati questions ;)
[12:57] <KeithWeisshar> download bittorrent 4.0.1 from www.bittorrent.com. it's better than bittorrent 3.4.2 and has an upload rate limiter slider in it and a new gui
[12:57] <dockane> i cant find anyway to this because ive only got a xorg.conf
[12:57] <bolamix> already learned a few useful things, thx all
[12:57] <bodhi> i see, i upgrade to Hoary, should i change something to my nvidia conf?
[12:57] <chtitux> hello
[12:58] <goldfish> hi
[12:58] <bodhi> gnert: i see, i upgrade to Hoary, should i change something to my nvidia conf?
[12:58] <chtitux> I have installed Xfce and I want to come back to KDE but Xfce is the default wmanager ... Where can I change that ? There is bothing about it in kdmconfig in kconfig . grep -Ri "xfce" /etc/ , nothing interant too ...
[12:59] <dockane> how do i change the display settings in gnome ?
[12:59] <WeirdAl> damnation
[12:59] <WeirdAl> totem != totem movie playe
[12:59] <WeirdAl> r
[01:00] <dockane> i do not want to change the resolution but the display settings
[01:00] <gnert> dockane; Do the same modifications in xorg.conf. It's basically the equivalent of XF86Config.
[01:02] <WeirdAl> OK, all my DivX movies are out of synch, but some of them ever so slightly.
[01:02] <dockane> gnert, yes but i am not an experienced linux user and not able to add some lines there. the only thing i can do is changing existing entries. so still looking for lines like
[01:02] <dockane> HorizSync to 30.0-70.0
[01:02] <dockane> VertRefresh 50.0-90.0
[01:02] <WeirdAl> In that way where you have to look closely or watch for ages before you notice.
[01:03] <gnert> bodhi; I'm afraid I don't have experience with the nvidia drivers.
[01:03] <gnert> dockane; Oh, okay... just a second.
[01:03] <claint> hmm, my cdrecord doesn't work.... does nautilus write isos?
[01:03] <bodhi> ok, ty, gnert
[01:04] <gnert> dockane; Are you able to find 'Modes "800x600" "640x480"' somewhere in there?
[01:04] <gnert> Or something similar.
[01:05] <dockane> gnert may i give you a query with the file and explain the problem ?
[01:05] <gnert> Sure, go ahead.
[01:06] <dockane> so thats basically my screen section
[01:06] <dockane> but the cahnge resolution function in gnome only gives me 640
[01:07] <jroes> ubuntu is so hot :)
[01:08] <dockane> gnert so the first think i would like to change is the standardmonitor to generic1024 or seomthing else... just to try if this is the problem
[01:08] <dockane> if not i would like to try the solution from my google research, but there only xfconfig is described and NOT xorg.conf
[01:09] <chtitux> I have installed Xfce and I want to come back to KDE but Xfce is the default windows manager ... Where can I change that ? There is bothing about it in kdmconfig in kconfig . grep -Ri "xfce" /etc/ , nothing interant too ...
[01:09] <dockane> to bee precise its xf86config-4
[01:10] <gnert> dockane; You should be able to do all the things described for XF86Config-4 in xorg.conf. The structure is similar.
[01:10] <goldfish> dockane: are u running warty or hoary?
[01:10] <goldfish> damn
[01:10] <goldfish> nm
[01:10] <alterim> hi anyone got experience of installing ndiswrapper to use wireless pci card?
[01:11] <dockane> dont know uname -a tells me :
[01:11] <dockane> Linux T12ubuntu 2.6.10-2-686 #1 Thu Jan 27 13:39:43 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[01:11] <hgoesm> cann someone help me: i get an error fatal IO errot 104 (connection reset by peer) on X server "0:0" after 0 requests (o kononw processed) Its an ubuntu server
[01:11] <gnert> dockane; You're running Hoary in case you have xorg.conf.
[01:11] <dockane> yes
[01:11] <dockane> so o
[01:11] <dockane> its hoary
[01:11] <chtitux> hgoesm, xhost +localhost or something ...
[01:11] <WeirdAl> someone remind me where mounts are listed?
[01:12] <chtitux> mount
[01:12] <chtitux> :)
[01:12] <WeirdAl> _
[01:12] <dockane> just type mount
[01:12] <hgoesm> i tried to run startx after installation
[01:12] <alterim> i'm trying to install ndiswrapper; anyone help?
[01:12] <chtitux> hgoesm, run xhost +localhost
[01:12] <hgoesm> mom
[01:13] <dockane> the device manager in gnome is not able to change monitor/display related stuff ?
[01:13] <goldfish> alterim: apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils
[01:13] <hgoesm> xhost: unable to open display ""
[01:13] <alterim> goldfish how can i do this when i have no net connection?
[01:13] <gnert> dockane; Are you able to modify xorg.conf by hand?
[01:14] <Odaeus> Hi, does anyone know why the installer would not be able to see existing partitions? Fdisk can see them fine but the installer wants to create a blank table.
[01:14] <hgoesm> i want to have fluxbbox
[01:15] <dockane> gnert of course i am
[01:15] <hgoesm> cann someone help me: i get an error fatal IO errot 104 (connection reset by peer) on X server "0:0" after 0 requests (o kononw processed) Its an ubuntu server
[01:17] <underlord> does ext3 store the modified property of files at the time the last byte is writen, if not how much error can i expect?
[01:17] <gnert> dockane; Right. You posted that URL before, are you unable to do the changes described there? I get the impression that the problem you have is that you're unable to do the things described for XF86Config to xorg.conf... right?
[01:17] <goldfish> alterim: ermm... that will pose a problem :)
[01:17] <dockane> gnert, nope thats not the point,
[01:17] <dockane> .
[01:18] <alterim> i am a new user. am i better off with 4.10 or 5.04?
[01:18] <xvlun> hi, yesterday i upgraded my system to hoary, and unfortunately i am experiencing problems with evo and dbus: ** ERROR **: Not enough memory to set up DBusConnection for use with GLib aborting...
[01:18] <dockane> the point is that there is NO (!) line like described on the url in my xorg
[01:18] <xvlun> the whole debug output is here: http://rafb.net/paste/results/jKykHp67.html
[01:19] <hgoesm> help me pls
[01:19] <gnert> dockane; Oh, sorry, I misunderstood. Anyway, I don't see any obvious problems with the Screen section.
[01:19] <dockane> .conf, maybe due to the fact that xf86config is described and not xorg.conf
[01:19] <alterim> hmm i'm trying to establish if 4.10 or 5.04 preview is best for me
[01:19] <gnert> dockane; Oh, which line?
[01:19] <Bazzi> alterim wait till april 6th and get hoary stable ;)
[01:20] <alterim> until then use?
[01:20] <Bazzi> what you use now :P
[01:20] <gnert> dockane; HorizSync and VertRefresh?
[01:20] <alterim> (is so tired of these fundamental linux comments, and the smileys that accompany them)
[01:20] <goldfish> hehe
[01:20] <alterim> hmm, right
[01:20] <Bazzi> alterim what are you using now?
[01:20] <alterim> xp
[01:21] <Bazzi> so you can wait another 2 weeks, can't you?
[01:21] <alterim> not really
[01:21] <goldfish> try warty
[01:21] <Bazzi> then download hoary now
[01:21] <alterim> i've got 5.04 preview on another partition which i'm trying to get online
[01:21] <goldfish> maybe
[01:21] <goldfish> hrmm...
[01:21] <hgoesm> is it normal that xorg.conf und XF86Config-4 are empty in ubuntu???
[01:21] <alterim> but it seems to be a bit glitchy
[01:21] <alterim> menus keep vanishing
[01:21] <Bazzi> whats wrong?
[01:21] <Bazzi> huh
[01:22] <hgoesm> bzzi u meen me
[01:22] <alterim> the main three menus, you click on them and they oepn but you can't see them
[01:22] <alterim> like they are opening behind the desktop
[01:22] <dockane> gnert, yes
[01:22] <dockane> something like
[01:22] <dockane>  HorizSync 31.5 - 37.9
[01:22] <dockane> VertRefresh 50.0 - 70.0
[01:22] <Bazzi> alterim that looks.....weir
[01:22] <Bazzi> weird
[01:23] <alterim> well, what determines wether one should use 4.10 or 5.04
[01:23] <alterim> is there actually ANY difference at all?!
[01:23] <goldfish> 5.04 is more bleeding edge
[01:23] <gnert> dockane; You should have 'Section "Standardbildschirm"' somewhere in there, do you?
[01:23] <claint> alterim: new packages in most things. X is different.
[01:23] <alterim> but i want to know what that means to me
[01:24] <goldfish> ermm..
[01:24] <claint> alterim: i am about to install hoary over my warty in a few minutes, than i might tell you more. ;-p
[01:24] <goldfish> lol
[01:24] <gnert> dockane; Er, sorry, 'Section "Monitor"'.
[01:24] <alterim> well i've been using hoary for a few days
[01:24] <hgoesm> is it normal that xorg.conf und XF86Config-4 are empty in ubuntu???
[01:24] <dtudosie> hi everybody
[01:24] <alterim> and i just thought installing 4.10 over it might be a more sensible option seeing as i'm such a newb
[01:24] <claint> alterim
[01:25] <dtudosie> I have a question about epson printers in ubuntu (hoary)
[01:25] <claint> alterim : hoary giving you problem,s?
[01:25] <dockane> gnert, u
[01:25] <alterim> well, i've tried to follow a guide on setting up a wireless card with no success
[01:25] <alterim> and also i'm having problems occasionaly with menus disapearing
[01:26] <alterim> application/places/system etc
[01:26] <xf__> hi there; trying to get ubuntu (hoary) running on an older machine, can't get the kernel booted
[01:26] <alterim> the menus open, but behind the desktop!
[01:26] <claint> alterim : guys in #wireless usually help people about their problems i have heard.
[01:26] <gnert> dockane; All you need to do, as far as I can tell, is to add those two lines to 'Section "Monitor"'.
[01:26] <claint> alterim : the menu thing i don't know about.
[01:26] <xf__> getting: "Cannot open root device "hda1" or unknown-block(0,0)", then "VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)"
[01:27] <xf__> any clues?
[01:27] <dtudosie> I have setup my epson printer on the parallel port and managed to print but when I want to query for the ink level I have some issues... : mtink freezes and escputil is saying that the printer does not respond...
[01:27] <dtudosie> anybody has an ideea ?
[01:27] <xf__> it's definitely on hda; i can boot using the warty live cd, and mount hda1 fine
[01:27] <claint> xf__ : i get a VFS error on boot as well, butu it is because VFS doesn't recognize reiserfs, and the error is different along the lines of reiserfs:unknown partition type or something.
[01:28] <xf__> this is ext3, i think - or whatever hoary does as default
[01:28] <xf__> i can boot the hard drive fine in a different machine... just not this machine that it is in
[01:28] <hgoesm> why does my ubuntu don't find any screens???
[01:28] <xf__> seems ihave to pass a different root= option or something?
[01:28] <xf__> any ideas?
[01:28] <hgoesm> and the xserver config files are empty
[01:29] <alterim> hey #wireless sounds good
[01:29] <alterim> what network?
[01:29] <dockane> gnert,  what could be the worst effect if i add these lines ?
[01:29] <claint> alterim : this network, freenode.
[01:29] <alterim> also can someone tell me how to bookmark irc sites (chatzilla/firefox)
[01:29] <dockane> so in general lines from a x86config can be transferred  to a xorg.conf ?
[01:29] <alterim> i understand i can bookmark say, this irc channel in firefox's standard bookmarks menu
[01:29] <alterim> ?
[01:30] <dtudosie> well... I'll repeat my question then...: I have setup my epson printer on the parallel port and managed to print but when I want to query for the ink level I have some issues... : mtink freezes and escputil is saying that the printer does not respond... anybody have an ideea ?
[01:30] <alterim> save me typing /server irc.freenode.net /join #ubuntu everytime
[01:30] <hgoesm> xorg.conf is empty too
[01:30] <gnert> dockane; X not starting up, which can be easily fixed by removing those two lines. And yes, in general lines from XF86Config can be transferred to xorg.conf.
[01:30] <keffo> wheres all hoary updates? no updates for over 2-3 days :<
[01:30] <claint> somebody said yesterday that hoary doesn't use the xorg.conf
[01:30] <ruffian> I still can't find how to change the resolution of the login screen?
[01:30] <xf__> nobody?
[01:30] <Bazzi> keffo apt-get update :P
[01:30] <alterim> would it simply be: irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu
[01:30] <alterim> ???
[01:30] <keffo> ...
[01:31] <claint> keffo: silence before the stable ones i guess.
[01:31] <Bazzi> there were upates yesterday and 2 days ago :P
[01:31] <dtudosie> claint: strange... my hoary uses xorg.conf
[01:31] <Frafraxy> kernel		/boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda1 ro console=tty0 quiet splash vga=791 splashimage=(hd0,0)/boot/grub/frag.xpm.gz
[01:31] <claint> well, i am going hoary ;-p. i'll see it when i get there. catch you guys later.
[01:32] <Frafraxy> it doesn't funct
[01:32] <Frafraxy> i must delete vga=791 for activate splashimage?
[01:33] <Frafraxy> who can help me?
[01:33] <chtitux> Frafraxy, nobody, but you can try
[01:33] <Frafraxy> ok
[01:33] <dtudosie> anybody printing with epson in ubuntu (hoary) ? if so, did you managed to get the ink level or change the cartridge ?
[01:34] <alterim> ok well i figured it out myself
[01:34] <alterim> i added bookmark: irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu
[01:34] <goldfish> cool
[01:35] <bolamix> has anyone got a clue on setting my display to 1024*768? right now it won't go over 832*624
[01:35] <bolamix> video card is ATI 264VT
[01:35] <dabugas> is there app for gnome/gtk like kppp; i mean with a guy, not wvdial
[01:35] <dabugas> guy=gui
[01:36] <bolamix> and I'd love to be able to connect to my favorite DC hubs too, can't figure out how to install dcgui
[01:37] <dtudosie> bolamix: I recommend dcgui-qt... tried dcgui.. didn't managed to get it to wok...
[01:38] <bolamix> yup i tried to install qt on warty, now i'm on hoary and haven't tried again
[01:38] <bolamix> but i failed miserably on warty, to many things to compile and i didn't know where to find the programs i installed afterwards
[01:38] <bolamix> *too
[01:38] <dtudosie> I have compiled the 0.3.5...
[01:39] <dtudosie> well I remember I have installed some dev thing before it worked...
[01:39] <bolamix> k so it's feasible obviously... i probably need a little more in-depth understanding of how linux works :p
[01:40] <dtudosie> dcgui however, is installing ok (fast from synaptic) but I could not use it...
[01:40] <azad> hey there
[01:40] <WeirdAl> Right, torrents...
[01:41] <WeirdAl> Can I run a torrent from the console?
[01:41] <azad> what do i have to download if i want java?
[01:41] <dtudosie> no too gnome-like... to many features.. difficult to use....
[01:41] <HappyPills> I'm performing the upgrade to hoary atm
[01:41] <WeirdAl> e.g. torrent ~/torrents/something.torrent ~/torrents/something/
[01:41] <WeirdAl> And then it'll just do it there.
[01:42] <HappyPills> when it finishes downloading will I have to start closing applications? I'm not sure
[01:42] <dtudosie> azad: I've doenloaded the .bin from sun and converted it to debian package... then installed it...
[01:42] <alterim> is there any way to make su - work in ubuntu?
[01:43] <alterim> instead of having to use root terminal
[01:43] <azad> yes.. you need to set a pass alterim
[01:43] <azad> you can use sudo, too
[01:43] <azad> dtudosie: i'll try that
[01:44] <dtudosie> azad: found somewhere on the web the steps.. probably you'll find them too.. I don't remember the details...
[01:44] <azad> well.. i think i can unpack it since it's a rpm and alien it then
[01:45] <dabugas> i'm off
[01:45] <dabugas> bye all
[01:45] <dtudosie> ok: tha last try with epson printing... does it ring a bell to anybody ?
[01:45] <[nrx] > hi.
[01:46] <azad> hm.. no dtudosie
[01:46] <goldfish> you can install java from the .bin aswell
[01:46] <azad> i can?
[01:46] <dtudosie> ok azad, thanks anyway for the answer...
[01:46] <goldfish> yeah
[01:46] <[nrx] > anyone fancy giving me a hand with a postfix problem?
[01:46] <goldfish> azad: instructions are on ubuntuguide.org
[01:46] <goldfish> azad: cant remember off-hand
[01:46] <azad> hmh
[01:47] <azad> okay, i'll have a look there too
[01:47] <azad> I'm learning.. there might be some day in far future when i'll be able to get my ATI working :)
[01:47] <goldfish> :)
[01:48] <dtudosie> ok, see you guys... one last (off topic) question: anybody run into software cost evaluation ? (I'm looking for some info on that filed)
[01:49] <[nrx] > anyone come accross this error message... "postalias: fatal: open database /etc/aliases.db: Unknown error<PHONE_NUMBER>"?
[01:51] <dtudosie> timeout (on the off-topic question): by
[01:51] <Kazuhiro> any one know of some good guides to setting up a 32bit chroot on ubuntu?
[01:53] <[nrx] > no ideas? :/
[01:54] <WeirdAl> When I install xine, it doesn't appear in the menu until I reboot... how to I force just the menu to reset?
[01:55] <Rocha> WeirdAl, you can simply log in and out again
[01:55] <oly> um, help please i just rebooted my puter and now net dont work, i can ping my router but not the modem, works fine in windows and on other computers
[01:55] <Quinn_Storm> WeirdAl: pkill -SIGUSR1 gnome-panel
[01:55] <oly> so i am a bit stumped as to, why its stopped working on that, computer in hoary
[01:55] <WeirdAl> I'll do the log-out-log-in thing
[01:55] <oly> any suggestions ?
[01:55] <WeirdAl> thx
[01:56] <manager> anyone else having problems with the new intel HD-audio chipset? (azalia) :s
[01:56] <Seveas> oly, are you using shcp?
[01:57] <xf__> hi, is there any known issues with VP_IDE (via ide) support with the default hoary kernel/initrd?
[01:57] <CappO> hello, i just installed the ubuntu hoary preview on my laptop, now at startup the laptop hangs at starting hotplug subsytem, anyone an idea ?
[01:57] <xf__> i'm getting "Cannot open root device "hda1" or unknown-block(0,0)" on a system with via ide ports.  kernel doesn't even appear to see the hard drives.
[01:57] <xf__> this is hoary.  warty sees it fine.
[01:58] <selinium_> Hi guys, I have installed apache and php4.3.10 using synaptic. I thought php4.3.* contianed the GD library.... but it does not show in the Ubuntu installed version. ANy idea why?
[01:59] <Seveas> selinium_, apt-get install php4-gd
[01:59] <Seveas> and php4-gd2 for gd2 support
[02:00] <Seveas> CappO, hangs, or just takes a very long time?
[02:00] <selinium_> Cheers Seveas!
[02:00] <Seveas> xf__, have you tried the latest live and/or installer cd's?
[02:00] <CappO> no hangs, does nothing at all
[02:00] <CappO> i can wait all day, and nothing comes
[02:00] <Seveas> CappO, any special h/w plugged in?
[02:01] <Seveas> try booting into safe mode, that should give more output (so more clues to what can be done)
[02:01] <CappO> erm i only have my wifi pcmcia card plugged in and my cdrom is pludgged in
[02:01] <Seveas> try withot the pcmcia card (should not matter, but you never know)
[02:01] <black_Nightmare> hey there
[02:01] <Seveas> hi
[02:02] <CappO> i even installed as following: linux pci=noacpi, cuz i read something about that on the forum
[02:02] <CappO> but didnt help
[02:02] <CappO> i'll try recovery mode
[02:02] <Seveas> that has nothing to do with hotplug
[02:02] <Seveas> please try boting into safe mode and see what errors hotplug gives you
[02:02] <CappO> ok
[02:02] <CappO> will do
[02:02] <Seveas> good luck
[02:02] <CappO> thank you
[02:03] <xf__> Seveas: this is what i'm using
[02:03] <[nrx] > any suggestions, also, on getting the Device Manager working without firing up and crapping out straight away.
[02:04] <selinium_> Seveas: THanks, works like a dream! you star
[02:04] <Seveas> [nrx] , try launching hal-device-manager from a terminal and see if it gives errors
[02:04] <[nrx] > yeah, loads of them lol
[02:05] <[nrx] > s'ok. i need to wait till i've fixed my postfix problem before i dabble with that
[02:05] <Seveas> [nrx] , can you paste these errors to some pastebin?
[02:05] <CappO> Seveas, now running in recovery mode, it does nothing at : starting hotplug subsystem, and i don't see anything more then when i was not in the recovery mode
[02:05] <azad> gnr
[02:06] <[nrx] > Seveas, thanks but I'll leave that particular problem for the moment.. unless you want to help me resolve a postfix problem
[02:06] <azad> isn't there a apt package to get java? not the development kit
[02:06] <Frafraxy> i would like put a splash screen in grub
[02:06] <Frafraxy> title		Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.10-5-amd64-generic
[02:06] <Frafraxy> root		(hd0,0)
[02:06] <Frafraxy> kernel		/boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda1 ro quiet splashimage=/boot/grub/frag.xpm.gz
[02:06] <Frafraxy> initrd		/boot/initrd.img
[02:06] <Frafraxy> savedefault
[02:06] <Frafraxy> boot
[02:06] <Seveas> CappO, is it possible to try a livecd and see whether that works
[02:06] <Frafraxy> but it doesn't work
[02:06] <Seveas> Frafraxy, please don't paste in the channel...
[02:06] <Frafraxy> Seveas, excuse
[02:06] <Seveas> [nrx] , sorry, don'y know much about postfix, but i could give it a try
[02:06] <HappyPills> sweet, 35 minutes until the packages for hoary have downloaded
[02:07] <SysFail> you on a 9600 modem?
[02:07] <CappO> hmm
[02:07] <Frafraxy> who can help me?
[02:07] <[nrx] > it seems to be a known problem... but with no solutions to resolve it
[02:07] <Seveas> azad, http://www.ubuntuguide.com for java instructions
[02:07] <CappO> gonna browse the forum a little more
[02:07] <azad> couldn't connect to remote server Seveas
[02:07] <SysFail> me either
[02:07] <Seveas> hmm, that's odd
[02:08] <azad> isn't there an apt packet?
[02:08] <[nrx] > dpk --configure postfix gives an error "Unknown Error<PHONE_NUMBER>"
[02:08] <Seveas> then go to the forum and search for 'java install instructions'
[02:08] <Seveas> azad, no, due to legal issues with java
[02:08] <Seveas> see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:08] <azad> mh..
[02:08] <azad> thanks
[02:09] <Seveas> [nrx] , is that all the output you get from dpkg?
[02:09] <sihen> could someone possible help me out with a dosbox problem?
[02:09] <[nrx] > there's more after that, but that's the gist of the error
[02:09] <Seveas> if so maybe tryin apt-get install --reinstall postfix will help
[02:09] <[nrx] > the rest stems from that problem
[02:09] <oly> where does ubuntu, block addresses, as this looks like what is happening ?
[02:09] <sihen> hello [nrx]  :)
[02:09] <[nrx] > Seveas, that gives the same error
[02:10] <CappO> Seveas, i read something about blacklisting the pci modules, when you load with a livecd, could this have anything to do with starting hotplug subsystem
[02:10] <[nrx] > i'm tried "newaliases" and all sorts.. changing permissions of the file and it doesn't work
[02:10] <kresten> Hi guys! How do I install from a .bin-file?
[02:10] <oly> why it woudl all of a sudden added itself is bejond me, but i can see no other reason
[02:10] <[nrx] > hi sihen
[02:10] <bolamix> woohoo after much tinkering i got my display to 1024*768... luverly
[02:10] <kbrooks> oly: ubuntu doesnt even block addresses
[02:10] <sdeppert> can someone help me with something?
[02:10] <Seveas> oly, what do you mean?
[02:11] <Seveas> kresten, depends on the program, usually running the bin file works
[02:11] <oly> what would be stopping it get paste a range though, for example if its on 192.168.2 i can access anything on that range
[02:11] <oly> but not get past it, to 192.168.1
[02:11] <Unipal> Please help, lots of dependency problems during install on Hoary on AMD64 with AMD64 ISO
[02:11] <oly> which is the modem
[02:11] <kbrooks> oly: firewall
[02:11] <oly> nope, no firewall in place
[02:11] <Seveas> sdeppert, maybem if you state your problem
[02:11] <kbrooks> oly: ubuntu doesnt block private addresses
[02:11] <sdeppert> well I cant add users or install drivers with out being in root how do I do that?
[02:11] <sihen> could someone possible help me out with a dosbox problem?
[02:11] <oly> i am using same connection on here and this is ubuntu
[02:11] <kbrooks> sdeppert: use sudo
[02:12] <oly> all i did was reboot my computer, and it stopped working
[02:12] <kresten> Seveas, how? Is there a special syntax? (I'm trying to install JDK5.0).
[02:12] <Seveas> oly, maybe you upgraded dhclient to a faulty version
[02:12] <sdeppert> will that work with installing flash?
[02:12] <kbrooks> oly: UBUNTU DOES NOT BLOCK PRIVATE ADDRESSES BECAUSE IT CANT
[02:12] <SysFail> www.java.com they have the linux installer and really good directions
[02:12] <Seveas> kresten, see www.ubuntuguide.org or the forums or http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:12] <Seveas> kbrooks, don't shout please
[02:13] <Seveas> and Ubuntu can blick these
[02:13] <bolamix> guys, what OS should I choose for installing valknut dcgui? debian or source? i'm using hoary
[02:13] <kbrooks> dude.
[02:13] <Seveas> oly, there is a bug in the second-to-latest version of dhclient that stops dhclient from working...
[02:14] <kbrooks> Seveas: RFCs are the final say in this
[02:14] <Unipal> Please help, lots of dependency problems during install Hoary on AMD64 with AMD64 ISO
[02:14] <scoon> anyone here compile their own kernels and use ndiswrapper ?
[02:14] <Seveas> kbrooks, iptables (which Ubuntu uses) can block anything
[02:14] <Seveas> please give me an RFC that says it can't
[02:14] <kresten> Seveas, tnx.
[02:15] <Seveas> scoon, ndiswrapper is built into the ubuntu kernel... (as a module)
[02:15] <kbrooks> it can, but u cant just go and block private addresses without a firewall
[02:15] <[nrx] > Seveas, any other ideas?
[02:15] <sdeppert> this is the first time I used unbuntu is this a good easy distro to use?
[02:15] <Seveas> kbrooks, iptables IS the firewall
[02:15] <Seveas> [nrx] , sorry, not really
[02:15] <kbrooks> sdeppert: yes
[02:15] <[nrx] > ok
[02:15] <Seveas> sdeppert, yes :)
[02:15] <scoon> Seveas, not my question
[02:15] <[nrx] > th box seems to have locked up :o
[02:15] <scoon> Seveas, i roll my own kernels
[02:15] <Unipal> Does anybody run Hoary on AMD64?
[02:15] <sdeppert> thanks I used almost every one that you can think of
[02:15] <scoon> hence my question
[02:16] <Seveas> scoon, then what is the problem?
[02:16] <sdeppert> nope I just have an athlon xp
[02:16] <HappyPills> yes. a friend of mine does run Hoary on AMD64
[02:16] <Unipal> HappyPills, Please help, lots of dependency problems during install on Hoary on AMD64 with AMD64 ISO
[02:16] <scoon> Seveas, i am trying out ndiswrapper for my card to see if it will work better than the linux drivers out there.
[02:17] <scoon> i need to build ndiswrapper module and just wanted to see if someone else has done this b4
[02:17] <scoon> and if it is a worth while solution
[02:17] <HappyPills> I'm afraid I can't help, don't know enough about it. my friend just mentioned that he only uses Ubuntu for it's AMD64 compatibility
[02:17] <Seveas> ndiswrapper works fine for me (asus card, broadcom chip) both hand-made kernels and ubuntu ones
[02:17] <HappyPills> he actually can't stand linux based systems
[02:17] <sdeppert> does anyone know how to install ati drivers on here?
[02:17] <scoon> Seveas, so for your hand rolled kernels, how do you build the ndiswrapper module ?
[02:17] <Seveas> Unipal, if you give some more details, maybe people can actually help
[02:17] <Unipal> nobody is perfect :D
[02:17] <sdeppert> i'm not very familuar with the root command
[02:18] <Seveas> scoon, pfoo, that's a long time ago i did that...
[02:18] <sdeppert> not root sudo I mean
[02:18] <scoon> oh well
[02:18] <scoon> brute force it is then
[02:18] <scoon> thanks
[02:18] <scoon> anyway
[02:18] <Seveas> hand-made actually isn;t really hand made
[02:18] <Seveas> downloaded ubuntu kernel source and made some changes :)
[02:18] <scoon> Seveas, i roll my own kernels from kernel.org
[02:19] <scoon> use a couple of patchsets that i like
[02:19] <Unipal> the installation ends up with "unable to install initrd"
[02:19] <scoon> and work well for me.
[02:19] <Seveas> ah
[02:19] <scoon> don't want to use deb's
[02:19] <[nrx] > any way to recover a locked up box?
[02:19] <[nrx] > without rebooting
[02:19] <Unipal> before that I have a lot of dependency errors
[02:19] <Seveas> Unipal, what is the first error you get?
[02:20] <Seveas> scoon, you might try #ubuntu-kernel for advice, but usually it is quiet there, so you might have to wait a bit
[02:20] <Unipal> Seveas: I have a big messagefile. which one do you mean?
[02:20] <scoon> Seveas, eh.  thanks.  i will just do it on my own and see what happens. :)
[02:20] <Seveas> Unipal, the very first error you get usually indicetes where things start to go wrong
[02:20] <Seveas> scoon, good luck :o)
[02:21] <scoon> Seveas, thx
[02:22] <Unipal> Seveas: it starts with installing the programs with "ignoring pre-dependancy problems"
[02:23] <Seveas> Unipal, do you have a complete file with all the output?
[02:24] <jpizza> hi
[02:24] <Unipal> Seveas: yes, but on other machine
[02:24] <strongob> how can i configure apt-get to be used with a proxy?
[02:24] <Unipal> Seveas: the first fatal error is that there is no floppy
[02:24] <Dr_Acemaster> how come one can't copy and paste in xchat, the whole line, ie w/ the time stamp, or am I missing something?
[02:24] <Unipal> I don't have one installed
[02:24] <[nrx] > Dr_Acemaster, there's no reason why not
[02:25] <Dr_Acemaster> [nrx] : it only wants to select the text, and not the time stamp
[02:26] <Seveas> strongob, read the manpage :)
[02:26] <Seveas> Unipal, is it possible that you mail me this file?
[02:27] <Unipal> Seveas, I first going to look after the floppy problem
[02:28] <Seveas> no floppy available should not be fatal
[02:28] <Seveas> I have no floppy in my machine and it works fine
[02:28] <Unipal> Seveas, after that I will contact you. What is your email?
[02:28] <[nrx] > excuse my complete ignorance: How do I stop services etc starting at boottime?
[02:29] <[nrx] > same as usual?
[02:29] <Seveas><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:29] <WeirdAl> Why won't Firefox's plugin finder do anything?
[02:29] <Seveas> [nrx] , chmod -x /etc/init.d/servive_name :)
[02:29] <smouche> Dr_Acemaster, I'm clueless about x-chat, and the time stamps aren't showing on my screen (don't want them to) but if you have logging enabled
[02:29] <smouche> you could copy from the log
[02:29] <[nrx] > Seveas, thanks :)
[02:29] <Unipal> Seveas, thanks!
[02:29] <Dr_Acemaster> smouche: I suppose that's an option
[02:29] <Seveas> [nrx] , do not try update-rc.d since that will be useless after an upgrade of the package :)
[02:30] <Dr_Acemaster> smouche: what irc client are you using?
[02:30] <smouche> x-chat, but like I said, I'm clueless
[02:30] <[nrx] > what is trashapplet?
[02:30] <oly> i just chucked in a live cd, can i login as root to the installed version ?
[02:30] <Seveas> the trashcan applet on your desktop
[02:30] <smouche> But I like keeping a link to the logs on the desktop
[02:30] <oly> so i can run updates
[02:30] <Seveas> in the bottom right corner
[02:31] <Hannes_> whoo
[02:32] <Hannes_> the new human-theme is nice++
[02:32] <Seveas> :)
[02:33] <[nrx] > Seveas, running about 8 processes?
[02:33] <Hannes_> the titlebar is nice
[02:33] <Hannes_> and so is the gdm-login
[02:33] <Seveas> [nrx] , that's odd
[02:33] <[nrx] > indeed
[02:33] <[nrx] > mind you, my install process was odd :)
[02:33] <Seveas> :)
[02:34] <Seveas> try kill-em-all :)
[02:34] <[nrx] > yeah lol
[02:34] <[nrx] > total stab in the dark.. anyone tried getting a DWL-G650+ wlan card working in ubuntu?
[02:34] <netmonk> how do I format a partition under ubuntu?
[02:35] <HappyPills> parted
[02:35] <Absenth> is warty able to mount ntfs on the default install?
[02:35] <HappyPills> I think can do it
[02:35] <Seveas> Absenth, yes
[02:36] <nmsa> netmonk: mkfs.ext3
[02:36] <Hannes_> [nrx] : tried ndiswrapper?
[02:36] <HappyPills> oooh, forgot about that one
[02:36] <Absenth> Seveas, danke.
[02:36] <[nrx] > Hannes_, not as yet
[02:36] <Hannes_> my DWL-510 works with it
[02:36] <[nrx] > haven't started playing yet
[02:36] <Seveas> Absenth, but (as all linuxes) read-only
[02:36] <Hannes_> just have to use realtek drivers :P?
[02:36] <Hannes_> -?
[02:36] <Seveas> ntfs write support is only possible with expensive commercial stuff
[02:36] <Absenth> Seveas, no problem.  I just want to archive an old "my documents" directory.
[02:36] <Hannes_> *edited raltek drivers
[02:37] <netmonk> nsmsa, and where do I set which partition?
[02:37] <[nrx] > lspci throws out a pile of crap ;o
[02:38] <nmsa> netmonk: mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdc3 ... for example, to format the hdc3 partition
[02:39] <netmonk> nmsa, thank you
[02:40] <nmsa> u r welcome
[02:41] <black_Nightmare> could someone tell me what could be wrong here? ... was running the hoary preview installer on my pc and....
[02:41] <HappyPills> I thought ntfs write support was possible by scanning a windows xp partition and installing the native windows drivers...
[02:42] <HappyPills> 10 minutes before Hoary starts installing for me
[02:42] <black_Nightmare> as soon as it gets to the 'ubuntu base system' bar [or something]  it sits at 0% for a while then error-warns that it can't find the cdrom or a mirror
[02:42] <black_Nightmare> any idea whats with that? ^
[02:42] <black_Nightmare> I tried restart the installion twice and tried 'copy packages to hd' once .. both came to same error
[02:43] <Seveas> black_Nightmare, that could be a defective CD, try burning one at very low speed
[02:44] <black_Nightmare> sevas... 16x ?
[02:44] <black_Nightmare> thats what it was already burned at
[02:44] <St0n3-C0l> 4x :P
[02:44] <black_Nightmare> hmm tell you what..let me abort the setup and try the livecd cdr and see... since its from same burner and brand...brb :p
[02:44] <Seveas> St0n3-C0l, yes indeed
[02:44] <black_Nightmare> *yanks out vga cable to plug to my pc*
[02:45] <St0n3-C0l> I burned my CD at 4x :P bcoz my CD-RW speed is 8x :
[02:45] <Seveas> i dont know why los speed is neccessary sometimes (i burned the cd's at 48x) but it has been reported to help
[02:45] <Jesterace> better quality burn sometimes
[02:46] <Jesterace> i burn dvd's at a slower speed
[02:46] <Seveas> just buy a good burner :o)
[02:46] <St0n3-C0l> Your system cannot afford that much speed :P
[02:46] <aroooo> I burn dvd's at 8x and cd's at 16x even though I could burn both faster
[02:46] <aroooo> slower burns are better burns
[02:46] <St0n3-C0l> aroooo: I agree!
[02:46] <Jesterace> heh i have a 16x dvd-rw drive
[02:46] <Jesterace> and a 8x dvd-rw drive
[02:47] <aroooo> plus I am not in some huge hurry
[02:47] <St0n3-C0l> both are dvd-rw ?
[02:47] <St0n3-C0l> eh
[02:47] <scullder> b'jour tout le monde
[02:47] <Jesterace> both are dual-layer rw
[02:47] <Jesterace> one in each machine
[02:47] <scullder> bon j'ai un problme depuis que j'ai fait des mises  jour hier
[02:47] <Seveas> b'jour monsieur ou madame scullder
[02:47] <aroooo> if there is not time to do something right, theres not time to do it
[02:47] <scullder> euuh sorry
[02:47] <St0n3-C0l> Jerterace: Lend me one :P
[02:47] <Seveas> scullder, we do speak english in here...
[02:47] <Jesterace> St0n3-C0l: hehe
[02:48] <bodhi> hi, whick package should i download to install a new kernel? I mean linux-image-X.X.X but anything else?
[02:48] <aroooo> 696
[02:48] <Seveas> bodhi, are you on mac or intel?
[02:48] <aroooo> or 686-smp
[02:48] <St0n3-C0l> 686 ?
[02:48] <aroooo> yea
[02:48] <Seveas> just install linux-d8d
[02:48] <aroooo> 686
[02:48] <Seveas> 686
[02:48] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[02:48] <Seveas> or linux--ppc
[02:48] <bodhi> intel
[02:48] <St0n3-C0l> I installed linux-image-2.6.11 and guess what ;)
[02:48] <bodhi> 686
[02:49] <Seveas> or linux-686-smp (for P4 with hyperthreading or multi-processors)
[02:49] <Seveas> well than, just install linux-686
[02:49] <aroooo> thats what im using
[02:49] <St0n3-C0l> when I boot into GNOME my system got freeze
[02:49] <Seveas> and it will be kept up-to-date
[02:49] <bodhi> p4 without hyper
[02:49] <Seveas> linux-686 it is :o)
[02:50] <bodhi> ok, ty
[02:50] <claint> a'right. i am now hoary. and there are alot more updates now
[02:50] <claint> ! '-p
[02:51] <St0n3-C0l> good :P
[02:51] <bodhi> how can i block a package in apt?
[02:51] <bodhi> i mean a package i dont want to update anymore
[02:52] <St0n3-C0l> so just don't touch that :P
[02:52] <CB201> hey guys, I have a quick question: is there a way I can force a program to open in windowed mode via the terminal?
[02:53] <CB201> or am I stuck running all my games, etc. fullscreen? ;-)
[02:53] <Seveas> bodhi, read the man page for apt
[02:54] <netmonk> does anyone know if with waht program I can listen online radio in Ubuntu?
[02:54] <bolamix> hi again
[02:54] <smouche> bodhi, if you have synaptic package manager, there's a command to "lock package" in the package menu.  that might be the easiest, but I haven't tried it.
[02:54] <xvlun> netmonk, rhythmbox
[02:54] <Seveas> netmonk, totem with xine as backend
[02:54] <_d4vid> hi all
[02:54] <bolamix> getting the following error while trying to ./configure a prog: "configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check"
[02:54] <bolamix> anyone knows what i can do to correct this?
[02:54] <xvlun> a.k.a. Musicplayer in your multimedia menu
[02:54] <Seveas> bolamix, apt-get install build-essential
[02:54] <bodhi> ok, ty Seveas and smouche
[02:54] <smouche> Bodhi:  sorry-- it's "lock version"
[02:55] <bolamix> ah sweet thx seveas
[02:55] <Seveas> CB201, depends on the program
[02:55] <rowanjl> I just did my first install of 4.10, so far everything has gone wrong.
[02:55] <Seveas> rowanjl, that's not good
[02:56] <rowanjl> The first thing, tried to login as the user created during setup, gnome couldn't write anything to the home dir, so I chmoded and chowned the users dir
[02:56] <Seveas> if it has gone so wrong that you want to retry completely, you could try Hoary
[02:56] <Seveas> rowanjl, was it owned by root?
[02:56] <bolamix> seveas : "E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[02:56] <bolamix> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?"
[02:56] <rowanjl> I don't know, but that worked.
[02:56] <St0n3-C0l> bolamix: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[02:56] <Seveas> bolamix, you cannot run apt-get / synaptic / update-manager at the same time
[02:57] <bolamix> oops that was it then
[02:57] <Seveas> probably one of them is running already
[02:57] <bolamix> i just closed synaptic
[02:57] <oly> okay, things are gettin silly now, i have got 3 netowrk cards install they all work with the live cd except wifi one, which needs extra software
[02:57] <bolamix> thx
[02:57] <rowanjl> There are no icons on the gnome desktop, and for some reason only about 2 of the fonts work
[02:57] <netmonk> thanks, Seveas and xvlun
[02:57] <Seveas> rowanjl, maybe your install cd was bad
[02:57] <oly> yet in hoary, i can not ping past the router, so there must be some software thats causing this
[02:57] <Seveas> these things happen if the cd is bad
[02:57] <rowanjl> hmmr
[02:58] <Seveas> oly
[02:58] <rowanjl> Should I delete the user and start over?
[02:58] <bic> hallo, i have just adjusted my display by xvidtune, but how can make the settings permanent, so i couldnt need to make it every start?
[02:58] <oly> yep
[02:58] <Seveas> rowanjl, maybe it's best to completely start over
[02:58] <Seveas> other things might have gone wrong
[02:58] <rowanjl> :/
[02:58] <Seveas> oly, can you paste your /etc/network/interfaces file somewhere
[02:58] <bolamix> noob question: how do you get up one directory in terminal?
[02:59] <rowanjl> If I start over, its not going to change anything
[02:59] <smouche> rowanjl, Seveas is right; I had all kinds of install problems till I set my burner to the slowest speed possible.  I think ubuntu likes a very slow burn...
[02:59] <oly> um, maybe give me a sec, depends if i can get it of that machine :p
[02:59] <Seveas> rowanjl, indeed
[02:59] <Seveas> you need a new cd
[02:59] <rowanjl> smouche, this is a cd I had sent to me from you guys :)
[02:59] <Seveas> burn it slowly (say 4x)
[02:59] <Seveas> owww
[02:59] <SysFail> i burned it at 42x
[02:59] <Seveas> that is more
[02:59] <Seveas> odd
[02:59] <rowanjl> It would take me weeks to actually download an ISO
[02:59] <Seveas> SysFail, i burned at 48x without a hickup, but some people are not that lucky
[02:59] <smouche> bolamix, "cd .."
[03:00] <rowanjl> So I ordered a few CDs one to keep and a few to hand out
[03:00] <Seveas> rowanjl, does the livecd work?
[03:00] <sdeppert> does anyone know how to install flashplayer on this thing?
[03:00] <rowanjl> Seveas, yeah
[03:00] <Seveas> sdeppert, goto http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:00] <sdeppert> ok
[03:01] <Seveas> rowanjl, then maybe erasing your ubuntu installation and starting over can help
[03:01] <St0n3-C0l> sdeppert: Flashplugin ?
[03:01] <waltermh> i have a 24x cd burner and i couldnt burn it at 24x without error before in debian or fedora, havent tried it where i am now, but i think k3b which i use just doesnt handle buffer underrun protection well
[03:01] <rowanjl> Seveas, I have done this twice now
[03:01] <sdeppert> yeah
[03:01] <Seveas> both times the same error>
[03:01] <sdeppert> it wont let me install it
[03:01] <rowanjl> Seveas, yeah
[03:01] <smouche> heh, well, I'm not one of "you guys", rowanjl, and maybe "them guys" burned it wrong    ;-)
[03:01] <St0n3-C0l> sdeppert: apt-get install flashplugin
[03:01] <Seveas> rowanjl, have you explicitely erased your installation before the second attempt?
[03:01] <St0n3-C0l> there are two flashplugins
[03:02] <rowanjl> heh, got an axe? :)
[03:02] <sdeppert> sweet
[03:02] <rowanjl> Seveas, the last one was on another hard drive
[03:02] <St0n3-C0l> one is non-free and another one is flashplugin
[03:02] <Clarinet> hello
[03:02] <sdeppert> thanks
[03:02] <bic> hallo, i have just adjusted my display by xvidtune, but how can i make the settings permanent?
[03:02] <rowanjl> I'm going on a burner hunt
[03:02] <St0n3-C0l> NP get anyone of them
[03:02] <Clarinet> guys is ubuntu stable for webserver stuffs ?
[03:02] <Seveas> rowanjl, than i'm out of options :S order some hoary cd's in a few weeks, maybe you have more luck with those
[03:03] <Seveas> Clarinet, definitely yes
[03:03] <rowanjl> I'll probably have to go back to fedora for a few weeks then
[03:03] <CB201> sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[03:03] <rowanjl> Thanks for the... eh... talking :)
[03:03] <bolamix> goodness me, i'd never managed to have the "make" command work before.... awesome
[03:03] <Seveas> :)
[03:04] <rowanjl> See you later
[03:04] <MadHadron> Good heavens.  I haven't been in a channel this full in years...
[03:04] <Seveas> lol MadHadron
[03:04] <bolamix> lol
[03:04] <Seveas> just be glad that not everybody is talking at the same time
[03:04] <bolamix> i haven't been on IRC at all for years
[03:04] <MadHadron> I mean, I knew there was a community, but when my client scrolls through two screens to print the member list.
[03:05] <MadHadron> bolamix, I have to admit the same, but even when I Was I was in small channels mostly.
[03:05] <Clarinet> Seveas, because i`m going to run website spider , so what do you think ?
[03:05] <Seveas> MadHadron, that is just the tip of the iceberg
[03:05] <bolamix> i like this ubuntu community already
[03:05] <Seveas> i don't know website spider but ubuntu is very suitable as a webserver os
[03:05] <Seveas> Clarinet, if you want no gui stuff installed, then install with the server option :)
[03:06] <Seveas> that gives you ubuntu-base and some server stuff i believe
[03:06] <bolamix> my first linux install (3 days old) and already I get nice & friendly help... wow
[03:06] <black_Nightmare> ok I'm stuck at one dialog..it says linux-i386 linux-preview-i386 and linux-preview-2.10??-i386 something
[03:06] <black_Nightmare> which three choice should I use?
[03:06] <MadHadron> bolamix, Is this unusual?
[03:06] <Seveas> bolamix, that really depends on who is in the channel :)
[03:06] <alterim> can someone help me with ndiswrapper?
[03:06] <WeirdAl> OK my DVD playback sucks :-(
[03:06] <WeirdAl> it's jerky, like a badly-encoded DivX
[03:06] <MadHadron> WeirdAl, skipping?
[03:06] <Clarinet> Seveas, so whats Ubuntu and Kubuntu ?
[03:06] <bolamix> seveas: well i'm a lucky n00b then :D
[03:06] <Seveas> black_Nightmare, neither
[03:06] <WeirdAl> Mad: yeah
[03:06] <Seveas> you need 686
[03:06] <WeirdAl> But only the video
[03:07] <MadHadron> WeirdAl, you might try sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/dvd
[03:07] <black_Nightmare> seveas...there's only three choice or 'go back'
[03:07] <Seveas> Clarinet, kubuntu is ubuntu, but with kde instead of gnome
[03:07] <sdeppert>  i tried to install the flash plugin and it says that that version is obsolete
[03:07] <MadHadron> (Though I might check that command against the manpage if I were you)
[03:07] <WeirdAl> ok.
[03:07] <Seveas> black_Nightmare, which verison of ubuntu do you have?
[03:07] <black_Nightmare> seveas.. hoary preview
[03:07] <Seveas> have you enabled the internet repositories?
[03:07] <Clarinet> Seveas Arabic support ?
[03:08] <alterim> can someone tell me the easiest way to access a floppy from ubuntu?
[03:08] <Seveas> Clarinet, don't know about that
[03:08] <smouche> Clarinet, Kubuntu is awesome.  (as is gnome Ubuntu, but tastes differ)
[03:08] <WeirdAl> Also, if I play from the beginning the sound is out of sync, but if I skip ahead to the same place the sound is fine.
[03:08] <Seveas> alterim, use mtools
[03:08] <Seveas> see the manpages for mcopy, mcd, mdir
[03:08] <MadHadron> Clarinet, Probably.  Search for arabic in aptitude
[03:08] <sdeppert> Is ther another way to get flash plugins to work
[03:08] <Seveas> or in a gui: i think nautilus can handle them :)
[03:08] <alterim> i want to save a few .debs from within xp firefox onto floppy
[03:08] <Clarinet> ok
[03:08] <black_Nightmare> sevas...so...which three should I pick?  I don't want to have to click 'go back' :p
[03:08] <MadHadron> sdeppert, Go to Macromedia's site, and install the plugin
[03:08] <alterim> then use them within linux
[03:08] <Clarinet> thank you guys
[03:08] <Clarinet> cya
[03:08] <alterim> the easiest and quickest way!
[03:09] <Seveas> black_Nightmare, have you enabled internet repositories?
[03:09] <Seveas> alterim, the easiest way is mounting your windows partitions
[03:09] <MadHadron> alterim, Is you floppy already formatted and everything?
[03:09] <sdeppert> I tried that but it wont let me install it
[03:09] <black_Nightmare> sevas..dunno only seen partitioner then ubuntu base installion [where I'm still sitting at now I think]
[03:09] <WeirdAl> MadHadron, there's -d in man dor hdparm but no -1
[03:09] <WeirdAl> for
[03:09] <Seveas> black_Nightmare, ah ok, you're installing it now?
[03:09] <black_Nightmare> yeah
[03:10] <Seveas> install either, they're the same
[03:10] <WeirdAl> Also, the DVD drive is /dev/hdc.
[03:10] <black_Nightmare> okie ty
[03:10] <Seveas> but you MUST upgrade after installing ubuntu :)
[03:10] <MadHadron> WeirdAl, Alright.  I don't use hdparm more than once in a blue moon.
[03:10] <black_Nightmare> brb *yanks vga cable once again*
[03:10] <kbrooks> Seveas: wtf?
[03:10] <Seveas> kbrooks, ?
[03:10] <kbrooks> Seveas: upgrade to WHAT
[03:11] <Jesterace> black_Nightmare needs a kvm :P
[03:11] <Seveas> kbrooks, on 686, you should install a 686 kernel :)
[03:11] <WeirdAl> Oh I see. The 1 turns it on.
[03:11] <pao> hi all :-)
[03:11] <Seveas> but the install cd only has 386 kernels
[03:11] <bolamix> "configure: error: bzlib headers not found. install bzlib devel package" <<<< any idea where to find this? too many diff links on google o_O
[03:11] <pao> how I set phone preferences for kde appls?
[03:11] <MadHadron> bolamix, apt-get install libbz-dev
[03:11] <kbrooks> Seveas: you are ALL wrong
[03:11] <bolamix> thx again
[03:11] <bolamix> << humbled
[03:11] <pao> I've just installed eric and kphone...
[03:12] <pao> but they have huge, big menu fonts...
[03:12] <Seveas> kbrooks, do you care to elaborate on that?
[03:12] <pao> How do I change those...
[03:12] <kbrooks> bolamix: search for the right terms
[03:12] <pao> ?
[03:12] <kbrooks> Seveas: i will, in a sec
[03:12] <CB201> does anyone know how to make my terminal window transparent?
[03:12] <kbrooks> bolamix: you want to search 'bzlib devel package'
[03:13] <selinium_> HI guys, numpty question coming up.... What is the location of the disk drive?
[03:13] <lindo> lol
[03:13] <burn> what
[03:13] <Seveas> selinium_, inside your computers casing i think :)
[03:13] <oly> okay, Seveas http://www.d0t.co.uk/interfaces.txt i have put the file there so you can look
[03:13] <bolamix> thx kbrooks, i did search for this, but i get lots of .rpm packages... anyway managed to find it thru synaptics
[03:14] <selinium_> Seveas: i was waiting for that! as in the path. Would help if i asked the right question!
[03:14] <Seveas> :)
[03:14] <burn> selinium_, depends on the device
[03:14] <Seveas> selinium_, there are several possibilities there
[03:14] <Seveas> indeed, which device do you mean
[03:14] <selinium_> burn: the disk drive, a la A:\ in windows
[03:14] <kbrooks> bolamix: if you want to search for a certain package on google, then 'debian ... package' (fill in '...') should do
[03:14] <Seveas> selinium_, the floppy drive
[03:15] <burn> selinium_, yikes
[03:15] <selinium_> floppyu drive
[03:15] <Seveas> that's /dev/fd0
[03:15] <WeirdAl> Much smoother now, Mad, thanks.
[03:15] <burn> /dev/fd0 usually
[03:15] <Seveas> or /dev/floppy
[03:15] <oly> that file looks okay to me, does not look like theres anything that would stop my computer getting past the router
[03:15] <pao> solved it... installed kcontrol...
[03:15] <WeirdAl> Sound is still out of sync though :-(
[03:15] <burn> but you really need to read a *nix primer
[03:15] <selinium_> Cheers guys...
[03:15] <selinium_> ?me hangs his head in shame
[03:15] <MadHadron> WeirdAl, Glad to help.  I had the same problem.
[03:15] <EfaistOs> why icant create an audio cd usign mp3 with k3B ?
[03:16] <kbrooks> oly: ubuntu's sponsor does not block any private ports you have
[03:16] <Seveas> oly, can you paste the output of ifconfig -a there too
[03:16] <oly> okay, yeah it may not, but somethin =g on the puter is stopping it none the less :p
[03:16] <kbrooks> oly: errrr, substitute ports with ip addresses
[03:16] <burn> selinium_, only time and diligent use of non windows will changes that
[03:16] <Seveas> kbrooks, i'm still curious about why i was wrong
[03:16] <bolamix> i hardly dare report the next error....... "checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!"
[03:16] <kbrooks> Seveas: ty for reminding me
[03:17] <oly> i new what ya ment, its either an update or something that was installed :p
[03:17] <kbrooks> Seveas: hold  on
[03:17] <projectmayhem> anyone here use kubuntu?
[03:17] <MadHadron> selenium, Don't erase it, just let it go out of date.
[03:17] <Seveas> bolamix, apt-get install xlibs-dev
[03:17] <Seveas> bolamix, which application are you trying to compile?
[03:17] <MadHadron> selenium, That's what I did --- about eight years of just free software now, and my friends don't ask me for Windows help anymore. (:
[03:17] <selinium_> burn: I have refused to boot in windows for 2 months now. Only having to revert to use some graphics packages.
[03:17] <bolamix> seveas: amazing
[03:18] <bolamix> i'm trying to install dcgui-qt
[03:18] <MadHadron> bolamix, You need the development libs for X
[03:18] <bolamix> missing various libraries apparently
[03:18] <selinium_> MadHadron: Fabulous, I have spent too much time with 'friends' brocken PC's littering my office!
[03:18] <bolamix> currently installing this
[03:18] <Seveas> bolamix, dcgui-qt is in the repositories!
[03:18] <kbrooks> Seveas: ok, you CAN have 386 and 686
[03:18] <MadHadron> bolamix, Ubuntu, for space reasons, doesn't come with the dev packages by default.
[03:18] <kbrooks> Seveas: kernel/comp
[03:18] <Seveas> kbrooks, of course you can
[03:18] <kbrooks> and vice versa
[03:18] <Seveas> i didn;t say you cannot
[03:19] <Seveas> but on 686 you dhould use 686 kernels

[03:19] <kbrooks> Seveas: why?
[03:19] <oly> okay, Seveas http://www.d0t.co.uk/ifconfig.txt
[03:19] <Seveas> the optimizations using 686 instructions are useful
[03:19] <oly> got that one to, now
[03:19] <WeirdAl> Can anyone tell me why my sound is delayed when playing a movie?
[03:19] <WeirdAl> DVD, DivX, anything really.
[03:19] <projectmayhem> can anyone help me with a KDE problem? i seem to have lost my "minimized windows" bar and my desktops bar... :-/
[03:19] <Seveas> kbrooks, because otherwise you do not use the full capacity of your processor
[03:19] <TarGit> anyone got Enemy Territory working on AMD64?
[03:19] <WeirdAl> It seems to be in sync if I skip straight to some point in the movie, but if I play it from the beginning it's not in sync.
[03:19] <MadHadron> WeirdAl, Running the default GNOME?
[03:20] <WeirdAl> Yeh
[03:20] <EfaistOs> how to make a cd audio with gnome application ?
[03:20] <WeirdAl> On Hoary
[03:20] <mjr> WeirdAl, that might be a gstreamer problem, try switching to totem-xine
[03:20] <javiolo> any help with samba ?
[03:20] <WeirdAl> I'm using Xine.
[03:20] <WeirdAl> I uninstalled gstreamer
[03:20] <mjr> WeirdAl, okay, then it's not :)
[03:20] <WeirdAl> :-0
[03:20] <WeirdAl> :-)
[03:21] <Seveas> oly, are you sure hoary ifup gets the mapping right?
[03:21] <lindo> Anyone got Enemy Territory working on AMD 64 ?
[03:21] <oly> no idea, Seveas
[03:21] <projectmayhem> uh WeirdAl try watching it on kaffeine or amaroK instead?
[03:21] <BuffaloSoldier> EfaistOs: you can try Graveman or Gnomebaker
[03:21] <oly> it used to if it dont now
[03:21] <MadHadron> WeirdAl, I remember issues under warty from time to time with DVDs going out of sync in the sound, but I always just paused and played them.
[03:22] <MadHadron> WeirdAl, Yes, try different players.  vlc's another one to check.
[03:22] <Seveas> oly, can i PM you, i think that's better now it's getting crowded :)
[03:22] <oly> cuz like i say it was working this morning, and a reboot broke it :p
[03:22] <oly> yeah sure
[03:22] <projectmayhem> WeirdAl actually i think amaroK only does audio, scratch that...
[03:22] <projectmayhem> WeirdAl mplayer maybe as well
[03:23] <burn> why is the hoary-updates repository commented out by default in hoary?
[03:23] <Unreal02> hello everybody
[03:23] <goldfish> hi
[03:23] <burn> the comments say it for major post release bug fixes - seems like it should be active by default
[03:23] <projectmayhem> burn great question. just uncomment it and ignore the ignorance...
[03:23] <WeirdAl> OK I'll try them ... let's have a look.
[03:23] <Unreal02> He Echylo, leuk een keer een andere belg te zien
[03:23] <Seveas> burn, because it is not yet active
[03:24] <Echylo> hehe :)
[03:24] <Seveas> using it would give errors
[03:24] <Echylo> #ubuntu-nl
[03:24] <Echylo> zitten er daar geen? :p
[03:24] <burn> hmm
[03:24] <projectmayhem> burn do you know if there is a multiverse repository for hoary?
[03:24] <Unreal02> i would like to use ubuntu on a slower pc, do you guys know any tricks to tweak gnome ?
[03:24] <Echylo> there is a guide
[03:24] <Unreal02> so it uses lesser RAM, or just starts faster
[03:24] <burn> projectmayhem, deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multiverse works for me
[03:24] <Echylo> unreal what kinde of pc you have?
[03:25] <bajas_76> Has anybody got php4 and apache2 working with hoary?
[03:25] <bolamix> (15:18:30) Seveas: bolamix, dcgui-qt is in the repositories! <<<< do you have time to explain please?
[03:25] <projectmayhem> Unreal02 just turn off anything fancy graphically. gnome is pretty fast and not that flashy compared to KDE
[03:25] <Echylo> if you use the simple theme
[03:25] <bolamix> currently getting an error with dclib on ./configure
[03:25] <Unreal02> now i'm using a P4 but i want to use ubuntu on a pentium 2 +-300Mhz, 128RAM
[03:25] <Echylo> it runs smooth here on a pII mmx 433mhz and 192ram
[03:25] <bogus-> it's not dcgui-qt anymore!!
[03:26] <bolamix> " DCLIB must be installed. Use --with-libdc=<path> to set correct path." <<< how can i find the correct path?
[03:26] <bogus-> it's valknut nowadays
[03:26] <bolamix> yup it's valknut, i know that
[03:26] <Bazzi> bolamix locate libdc
[03:26] <projectmayhem> Unreal02 yeah, just be really specific about not using any graphical features that will slow down your pc. gnome shouldn't give you any problems
[03:26] <Seveas> bolamix, just apt-get install dcgui-qt
[03:26] <bolamix> downloaded the valknut package, trying to install
[03:26] <Seveas> you don't neat to manually compile it
[03:26] <Echylo> although projectmayhem, the compositing works here too (shadows)
[03:26] <bolamix> i don't? damn
[03:26] <Unreal02> in windows you can disable or clean up the startup entries of the reg,
[03:26] <Unreal02> isn't this possible in gnome ?
[03:26] <bolamix> it sucks being a noob :p
[03:27] <MadHadron> Unreal, It should run just fine on such a machine.
[03:27] <Echylo> yup
[03:27] <bolamix> "E: Couldn't find package dcgui-qt"
[03:27] <projectmayhem> Echylo wow really. that's surprising. I guess ubuntu is just that fast and light!
[03:27] <Seveas> bolamix, enable universe
[03:27] <Echylo> yea
[03:27] <Echylo> don't say he's fast then
[03:27] <Echylo> but I can work with it
[03:27] <WeirdAl> Oh, I should also point out that I get sound out of sync when I use xmms as well.
[03:27] <Echylo> so :)
[03:27] <javiolo> anyone have experience with webmin ?
[03:27] <MadHadron> bolamix, It's time for my compulsory response: when I was a newbie, we spent two months trying to make X work on Trident VLB cards!
[03:27] <Unreal02> and where can i disable all of that eye-candy ?
[03:28] <MadHadron> WeirdAl, How does xmms get out of sync?  It's audio only, isn't it?
[03:28] <WeirdAl> Well it's out of sync with the controls
[03:28] <bolamix> Seveas: bolamix, enable universe <<< um sorry, how do i do this?
[03:28] <Echylo> javiolo throw it away :p
[03:28] <Echylo> edit the conf files :p
[03:28] <WeirdAl> So I press next, and then half a second later the next song actually starts.
[03:28] <WeirdAl> I tried changing the buffer length but it wasn't htat.
[03:28] <WeirdAl> that
[03:29] <Seveas> bolamix, sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:29] <Seveas> they are in there, but commented out
[03:29] <MadHadron> WeirdAl, Well, in xmms you might have the Crossfade plugin on, but if it's everywhere, then I have to wonder if it's esd being screwy.
[03:30] <zyga>  WeirdAl: try different audio-out plugin
[03:30] <MadHadron> Seveas, Actually I just discovered that synaptic has a nice interface to adding the repositories as well.
[03:30] <projectmayhem> anyone been able to get w32codecs installed in hoary?
[03:30] <zyga> WeirdAl: alsa has the best response time for me, esd lags a second
[03:30] <MadHadron> project, Yes.
[03:30] <Echylo> U need repo marillion no?
[03:30] <Vjaz> Bah, is there still no user interface for modifying the menus in Gnome 2.10 / Hoary?
[03:30] <Seveas> MadHadron, i always forget gui things, /me is a terminal fan :)
[03:30] <projectmayhem> MadHadron did you just apt-get it?
[03:30] <MadHadron> project, Get the essential-codecs package from mplayerhq, and put all the files therein in /usr/lib/win32
[03:30] <Echylo> vjaz on the wiki there exists a little how to
[03:30] <MadHadron> project, No, I didn't check if it was in marrilat.
[03:30] <Echylo> Vjaz and some programs
[03:31] <zyga> Vjaz: it's under development as I heard
[03:31] <projectmayhem> madhadron thanks thanks
[03:31] <MadHadron> Seveas, I discovered it while helping someone.
[03:31] <Echylo> on the wiki of ubuntu there are 3 programs to edit the menu with
[03:31] <Vjaz> Echylo: I know how to make a .desktop-file, but I would really rather have some proper interface for it...
[03:31] <Echylo> only I need to get them working :p
[03:31] <bolamix> got universe enabled, thx
[03:31] <Vjaz> zyga: Ok... it should be. :-P
[03:31] <MadHadron> Seveas, My default environment is larswm, which just about classifies me.
[03:31] <Echylo> well look at those programs then
[03:31] <projectmayhem> hey... this is gonna sound really lame, but how do you use wine? I installed it but don't know how to get programs to run in it...
[03:32] <Echylo> wine 'test.exe'
[03:32] <Vjaz> I liked it how I could just right click on the menu and tell it to add a new entry in Gnome 2.8.
[03:32] <zyga> projectmayhem: associate .exe with wine and just click on .exe files ;]
[03:32] <MadHadron> project, Or without the quotes.  Think of it as opening exe's as files.
[03:33] <bolamix> ok i did apt-get install dcgui-qt......... last question I hope: how do i run it?
[03:33] <projectmayhem> ok, how do i associate .exe files with wine? can i get to them in hoary with a mounted ntfs partition?
[03:33] <MadHadron> bolamix, dcgui from the shell I imagine
[03:33] <MadHadron> bolamix, Unless it gets put into the menus
[03:33] <projectmayhem> also i'm getting a failure status of 1....
[03:33] <bolamix> k thx, i'm very not familiar with this
[03:33] <bolamix> i thought it might be put in the menus but it's not
[03:33] <javiolo> anyone have experience with webmin ?
[03:33] <bolamix> have to find out how to add it
[03:33] <zyga> projectmayhem: [assuming gnome]  right click on an .exe file and choose open with, lookup wine and you're done
[03:33] <MadHadron> bolamix, You might have to log out and back into get it
[03:33] <bolamix> oh right
[03:34] <MadHadron> bolamix, I don't remember if GNOME has live updated menus
[03:34] <bolamix> i'll try that
[03:34] <projectmayhem> zyga actually its kde here, i'm running kubuntu (which is great, btw)
[03:34] <MadHadron> (Though some environments do)
[03:34] <bolamix> biab then
[03:34] <MadHadron> project, And has one advantage over GNOME in particular...
[03:34] <zyga> projectmayhem: ah, then I'm not sure (didn't use kde for a while now)
[03:34] <Unreal02> how is it possible that websites are shown much bigger in FF under Linux, than with Windows ?
[03:34] <MadHadron> project, The arts sound system is a far better system than esd.
[03:34] <Unreal02> the fonts are just huge
[03:35] <MadHadron> Unreal, If you go to Edit->Preferences, you can shrink them.
[03:35] <MadHadron> Unreal, Or hit Ctrl -
[03:35] <MadHadron> Unreal, Fonts are a matter of user preference with webpages
[03:35] <projectmayhem> madhadron esd?
[03:35] <MadHadron> project, Enlightened Sound Daemon
[03:35] <Unreal02> ok, but the menus in FF are bigger than within XP as well
[03:35] <WeirdAl> zyga: How do I get the system to use alsa?
[03:36] <WeirdAl> Currently it's using esd and blocking the sound card.
[03:36] <MadHadron> project, It won't handle 48kHz sound, but my Vaio only plays 48kHz.
[03:36] <zyga> WeirdAl: not the whole system, just xmms
[03:36] <zyga> WeirdAl: check preferences
[03:36] <projectmayhem> madhadron ahh. so do you know a lot about kde? i'm having a little bit of trouble here, i crashed my system yesterday and lost some, uh key features to my desktop
[03:36] <projectmayhem> madhadron haah that's good!
[03:36] <WeirdAl> Yeah. It can't play because the sound card is blocked by esd
[03:36] <zyga> WeirdAl: the little 'o' in xmms' gui
[03:36] <MadHadron> project, Such as?
[03:36] <zyga> WeirdAl: then find output plugins
[03:36] <zyga> and switch to alsa
[03:37] <MadHadron> WeirdAl, Go to System->Preferences->Sound
[03:37] <WeirdAl> I did tha
[03:37] <MadHadron> WeirdAl, and tell it not to start the sound server at startup
[03:37] <WeirdAl> But I just killed esd and now it works.
[03:37] <WeirdAl> ah.
[03:37] <zyga> you might need additional packages but I'm not sure
[03:37] <projectmayhem> madhadron well my panels that show the four desktops and the panel that shows all of my open windows...
[03:37] <zyga> MadHadron: no, WeirdAl is talking about xmms in particular gnome menus won't help him
[03:37] <WeirdAl> I'm not...
[03:37] <MadHadron> zyga, It says esd is blocking the sound card.
[03:38] <WeirdAl> I want xine to use it too.
[03:38] <WeirdAl> See if that works.
[03:38] <MadHadron> zyga, Therefore he must turn it off before he can use Alsa directly
[03:38] <Unreal02> what is the password for root on the live-cd ?
[03:38] <WeirdAl> Is there a way of setting the system up to use Alsa instead of esd in the first place?
[03:38] <Unreal02> i try to use su to gain root-rights, but it doesn't work
[03:38] <WeirdAl> I'm making assumptions that alsa is a sound server.
[03:38] <MadHadron> WeirdAl, Not really.
[03:38] <MadHadron> WeirdAl, No, Alsa is the Linux kernel's sound architecture
[03:39] <Seveas> Unreal02, use sudo
[03:39] <zyga> MadHadron: ah, didn't see that - sorry
[03:39] <Seveas> there is no root password :)
[03:39] <MadHadron> WeirdAl, You might try switching over to KDE and trying that.
[03:39] <WeirdAl> I'll see if this works first
[03:39] <projectmayhem> madhadron also my speakers don't work, but that's unrelated...
[03:39] <Unreal02> thanks
[03:40] <WeirdAl> Damn, I suddenly crave custard
[03:40] <WeirdAl> Maybe I need more sugar.
[03:40] <wooozy> Is an old serial mouse still supported in ubuntu ???
[03:40] <WeirdAl> I appreciate this is not an Ubuntu issue, though.
[03:40] <WeirdAl> :-)
[03:40] <WeirdAl> mmmm....
[03:41] <projectmayhem> woozy probably, have you tried it?
[03:41] <Seveas> wooozy, i think so (but am not 100% sure)
[03:41] <alterim> MadHadron	WeirdAl, I imagine. It's still in the kernel.
[03:42] <wooozy> I have my serial mouse connected
[03:42] <wooozy> cursor pops up on the screen but no movement is possible
[03:42] <projectmayhem> wooozy well does it work?
[03:42] <projectmayhem> woozy oh
[03:42] <WeirdAl> Alsa is playing DVDs in sync.
[03:42] <MadHadron> woozy, The cursor will always be there, mouse or no
[03:42] <WeirdAl> I conclude that esd sucks.
[03:42] <MadHadron> WeirdAl, esd is an atrocious kludge.
[03:43] <wooozy> reconfigging with xconfconfig does not help either
[03:43] <projectmayhem> weirdal that's pretty much the issue
[03:43] <WeirdAl> I shall let my noobs know.
[03:43] <projectmayhem> weirdal haha! way to inform the community
[03:43] <WeirdAl> I've converted several people to Linux by showing them what to do :-)
[03:43] <MadHadron> woozy, Stupid question: have you restarted X since reconfiguring?
[03:43] <projectmayhem> WeirdAl i'm about to do the same by setting up ubuntu onto my friend's laptop.. she's a little computer inept so it could take some time...
[03:44] <kresten> Does anybody know how to execute a .bin-file?
[03:44] <WeirdAl> :-)
[03:44] <WeirdAl> I posted a guide at a forum for people who are not stupid; just scared.
[03:44] <projectmayhem> kresten um.. i think sh filename.bin
[03:44] <Seveas> kresten, ./filename.bin
[03:44] <projectmayhem> kresten oh ok there you go
[03:44] <wooozy> yeah restarting and reconfiguring but nothing seems to jumpstart it...
[03:44] <Seveas> of course cd to the right folder first
[03:44] <MadHadron> kresten, chmod +x filename.bin, then what Seveas said.
[03:44] <kresten> ok
[03:44] <Seveas> and replace filename with the actual name
[03:44] <Seveas> and listen to MadHadron  :)
[03:44] <MadHadron> wooozy, And you used dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (or xserver-xfree86 on warty)?
[03:45] <kresten> MadHadron, tnx.
[03:45] <projectmayhem> madhadron isn't warty xorg?
[03:45] <kresten> Seveas, tnx.
[03:45] <Unreal02> do you have to install a seperate codec to play mp3 files ?
[03:45] <MadHadron> project, Not that I know of.
[03:45] <wooozy> I used xorgconfig
[03:45] <Seveas> Unreal02, yes
[03:45] <Seveas> apt-get install w32codecs will give you the whole package
[03:46] <projectmayhem> unreal02 yeah, go to ubuntuguide.org
[03:46] <MadHadron> wooozy, Try the dpkg one; it probably has better autoprobing.
[03:46] <MadHadron> Seveas, Oh, is that where they are?
[03:46] <projectmayhem> unreal02 they have w32codecs and gstreamer plugins
[03:46] <Seveas> MadHadron, yep :)
[03:46] <Seveas> it's on marillat
[03:46] <projectmayhem> unreal02 or at least how to install them
[03:46] <projectmayhem> seveas what is marillat?
[03:46] <MadHadron> Seveas, Now I'm mildly embarrassed at having hard installed the thing.
[03:46] <MadHadron> project, Marillat is a semilegal repository of useful packages
[03:47] <projectmayhem> madhadron haha... semi-legal, just the way i like it ;)
[03:47] <Seveas> projectmayhem, Christian Marillat is a Debian developer who has a repository with nice stuff like mplayer and w32codecs
[03:47] <Seveas> als msttcorefonts is a FAP
[03:47] <wooozy> Madhadron,  wich package should i reconfigure??
[03:47] <MadHadron> wooozy, xserver-xorg on hoary; xserver-xfree86 on warty
[03:47] <projectmayhem> seveas could you tell me exactly what to add to my sources.list file so i could get to it? i really need those w32 codecs...
[03:48] <Seveas> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main
[03:48] <Seveas> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[03:48] <Seveas> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[03:48] <apokryphos> projectmayhem: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:48] <projectmayhem> seveas thanks!
[03:48] <MadHadron> If you're on warty, you just want the testing line
[03:48] <MadHadron> If you're on hoary, you want the unstable line
[03:48] <Seveas> If you're on crack, you want another line :)
[03:48] <MadHadron> So you have your floppy with those two debs?
[03:48] <projectmayhem> madhadron hoary here
[03:49] <projectmayhem> seveas no only kaffeine
[03:49] <MadHadron> Whoops, wrong window
[03:49] <Seveas> caffeine is good
[03:49] <projectmayhem> seveas haha yeah i like it better than kaffeine for sure... confusing interface!
[03:49] <projectmayhem> caffeine just makes me happy :)
[03:50] <Seveas> i dislike almost everything on linux that starts with a K
[03:50] <Bazzi> Seveas so do I
[03:50] <Bazzi> ;)
[03:50] <apokryphos> Eek. Why?
[03:51] <Bazzi> sonn we will get KWindows ;)
[03:51] <Bazzi> soon
[03:51] <apokryphos> Not exactly, but close; the libraries are being ported, yes.
[03:51] <projectmayhem> seveas ouch. i'm a kde fan here... but i appreciate gnome too. they both have ups and downs to them
[03:51] <MadHadron> project, I think GNOME's user interface design is a little better, but it's unuseable for me due to esd.
[03:51] <Seveas> it's all a matter of taste
[03:51] <MadHadron> KDE tends to be technically somewhat ahead.
[03:52] <projectmayhem> seveas gnome is really quick and really pretty, but kde is just easier for me... and for my windows-abusing family :-/
[03:52] <apokryphos> More options (or "more bloated", if you're a gnome-user :P)
[03:52] <Seveas> MadHadron, but at the cost of prepending that stupid K everywhere
[03:52] <Bazzi> gnome looks more mature IMO
[03:52] <Seveas> (and other dislikes)
[03:52] <Seveas> but once again, it's a matter of taste :)
[03:52] <apokryphos> Seveas: Well, gnome's not far off with its G.
[03:52] <projectmayhem> bazzi yeah, its very mac-osish whereas kde is definitely more windowsish
[03:53] <Seveas> projectmayhem, indeed
[03:53] <MadHadron> Seveas, Yes, but I'm about as impartial as you'll get.  I don't much care for color or mice on my desktop.
[03:53] <Seveas> the Mac OSX interface im(ns)ho is the best interface ever
[03:53] <projectmayhem> seveas of course, none of them work iwth my iPod so what do i care??
[03:53] <Seveas> lol projectmayhem :)
[03:53] <projectmayhem> seveas yeah, osx kicks windows ass, if only because its unix based
[03:53] <Seveas> bsd even
[03:53] <EfaistOs> someone gave me some application to burn audio cd under gnome ... but i dont remember ...
[03:54] <Seveas> nautilus
[03:54] <Seveas> gnomebaker
[03:54] <Seveas> (or gnome-baker)
[03:54] <projectmayhem> seveas haha, just that mac os doesn't have half the apps that windows does, and don't get me started on gaming
[03:54] <apokryphos> EfaistOs: or perhaps K3B ;)
[03:54] <EfaistOs> apokryphos, I dont want QT libs .. :)
[03:54] <Seveas> projectmayhem, therefore i was just talking about the interface :)
[03:54] <kbrooks> Seveas: what does imnho mean
[03:54] <Bazzi> whats with the stuff I hear about bunring cds/dvds with linux seems there are lotsa bad media burned?
[03:54] <apokryphos> In my not so humble opinion
[03:54] <Seveas> in my (not so) humble opinion
[03:55] <MadHadron> Bazzi, I've never made a bad CD
[03:55] <EfaistOs> gnomebaker which package ?
[03:55] <projectmayhem> seveas haha true. but i do love an operating system that has never crashed on me :)
[03:55] <Seveas> EfaistOs, probably gnomebaker :)
[03:55] <MadHadron> Bazzi, But I've not had incredible luck burning DVDs yet...but I haven't with this drive under Windows either.
[03:55] <Bazzi> mmmh.
[03:55] <kbrooks> Bazzi: before you burn a CD, check the md5sum
[03:55] <EfaistOs> Bazzi, not true
[03:55] <projectmayhem> bazzi if you own nero for windows you can get it for linux too
[03:55] <EfaistOs> Seveas, nope ...
[03:55] <Unreal02> is it possible to install the codecs when you are running the livecd ?
[03:55] <Raenor> hey guys, i have a little problem with the 64bit version of ubunto
[03:55] <Bazzi> highlight spree, yay \o/
[03:56] <Seveas> Unreal02, not yet i believe
[03:56] <Raenor> can somebody help me
[03:56] <Unreal02> ok
[03:56] <Seveas> that's planned for the next version of the livecd
[03:56] <Bazzi> yeah when I migrate fully I'll use nerolinux i think
[03:56] <projectmayhem> raenor that depends...
[03:56] <MadHadron> Raenor, Well, what's the problem?
[03:56] <Seveas> (due in 6 months )
[03:56] <MadHadron> Bazzi, You might as well use k3b instead.
[03:56] <Raenor> well it doesnt want to load x
[03:56] <projectmayhem> raenor ouch...
[03:56] <Bazzi> MadHadron that has a "k" in its name.
[03:56] <Raenor> and it gives an error with the pci
[03:57] <apokryphos> EfaistOs: why not? Are you low on space?
[03:57] <projectmayhem> i had that problem with SuSE (aggggh curse that evil distro)
[03:57] <MadHadron> Bazzi, And?
[03:57] <Raenor> i think that it is because of the pcix video card
[03:57] <Bazzi> MadHadron nvm ;)
[03:57] <projectmayhem> bazzi trust me on this one nerolinux works really well
[03:57] <EfaistOs> I can't find gnome-baker ... :'(
[03:58] <apokryphos> EfaistOs: it's not in the repositories, I believe.
[03:58] <Bazzi> projectmayhem k I'll trust you on that then, but currently I only have the OEM of nero and that doesnt allow me to use nerolinux
[03:58] <projectmayhem> bazzi ahh, looks like you'll have to find some less than legal means of obtaining your copy then ;)
[03:58] <projectmayhem> not that i advocate such practices!
[03:58] <Bazzi> no, I'll just buy nero
[03:59] <projectmayhem> bazzi not a bad idea, its worth it
[03:59] <MadHadron> Bazzi, Try the free alternatives first.  Many of them are as good.
[03:59] <Bazzi> since I use it all the time anyways
[03:59] <Bazzi> MadHadron its the habit thing, I sue nero for say 6 years now
[03:59] <Bazzi> *use
[04:00] <projectmayhem> aww bazzi no way man thats like saying "i won't switch over to linux cuz i've used windows for 10 years!"
[04:00] <projectmayhem> bazzi and we know that THAT is a sin!
[04:00] <apokryphos> Am I the only one who thinks it's grossly frivolous to ignore using another Linux app because it's based on another desktop environment? Personally, I tend to use whatever's best for the job. I don't ignoe the GIMP because it's GTK.
[04:00] <Bazzi> well I'm using crossplatform software mostly anyway.
[04:00] <Bazzi> so I'm happy I can use the same software on windows and linux
[04:00] <Bazzi> I also use xchat on windows for example
[04:00] <projectmayhem> apokryphos no i do it all the time, i use gedit all the time and i use kde
[04:01] <Seveas> apokryphos, dunno, but i don;t want the overhead of all qt stuff for just one little app
[04:01] <Seveas> so i always stick to gnome
[04:01] <kbrooks> apokryphos: that comment applies to me, too
[04:01] <apokryphos> Seveas: Are you low on space?
[04:01] <Seveas> nope
[04:01] <projectmayhem> hey all thanks for the help, i'm out like a trout
[04:02] <apokryphos> so what's the problem? Surely you want to try out other K programs when they're out? Do you settle for GTK alternatives even when there's possibly other ones that do the job better?
[04:02] <apokryphos> Programs like amaroK and K3B seem pretty unrivalled to me.
[04:02] <apokryphos> just as GIMP is.
[04:02] <Seveas> i never found a single kde app for which there is no gtk app that is at least just as good
[04:02] <MadHadron> apok, Sure, and the same applies to console apps
[04:02] <apokryphos> Seveas: Well, you have two examples there.
[04:03] <Seveas> i don't like k3b and don't know amarok
[04:03] <Seveas> what is amarok?
[04:03] <MadHadron> Seveas, Amarok is a very well designed music player
[04:03] <Seveas> ah
[04:03] <apokryphos> as far as I have seen, it is by far the best MP3 player out on the market
[04:03] <MadHadron> Seveas, It also interfaces extremely nicely with k3b
[04:03] <MadHadron> apok, Ogg, please.
[04:04] <apokryphos> You don't "like" K3B is very easy to say. To argue that there's is at "least as good a gtk app" is farfetch'd. Which app do you think is as good on gtk?
[04:04] <St0n3-C0l> How do I remove any Program from my GNOME menu ?
[04:04] <apokryphos> MadHadron: err, what?
[04:04] <MadHadron> apok, Oh, just being silly.  I switched entirely to ogg vorbis about five years ago.
[04:05] <WeirdAl> MadHadron, was the command hdparm -d1 /dev/dvd?
[04:05] <MadHadron> WeirdAl, I believe so.  You said there was no 1.
[04:05] <WeirdAl> It's gone off the screen and I'm trying to pass it on :-)
[04:05] <WeirdAl> Yes, it turned out the 1 was for on
[04:05] <apokryphos> I think there are a lot of better K apps, but mostly the different apps are a matter of flavour (i.e. kontact vs. evolution). amaroK and K3B are the obvious ones.
[04:05] <n4cht> k3b is just a frontend for cdrecord.  does it really matter if it's a gtk or qt app?  stop being a wuss and use CLI.
[04:05] <WeirdAl> ta
[04:05] <St0n3-C0l> Who Use KDE here without using Kubuntu :P
[04:05] <apokryphos> St0n3-C0l: Kubuntu is KDE with Ubuntu ;-)
[04:05] <cas> hi, i need to extract an rar file and like to do it with fileroller. All i can find in the repositories is the GPL'ed unrar wich can't handle 3.0 files. Is there a way to integrade it with fileroller/synaptic or do i need to install the packages from rarlabs?
[04:05] <apokryphos> n4cht: hehe. :D
[04:06] <MadHadron> n4cht, <chuckles> If I'm burning an ISO, sure.
[04:06] <Seveas> n4cht, cli is good :)
[04:06] <St0n3-C0l> apokryphos: I know but that lists it into other version
[04:06] <St0n3-C0l> I am talking bout using GNOME with KDE
[04:06] <apokryphos> True
[04:06] <apokryphos> St0n3-C0l: right here.
[04:06] <St0n3-C0l> Leave anybody knows how do I remove my Programs from GNOME menu ??
[04:07] <St0n3-C0l> both Add/Remove things
[04:07] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell St0n3-C0l ubugnomemenu
[04:07] <Pyre> St0n3-C0l: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20705
[04:08] <Kazuhiro> im on hoary, having issues with xpdf not opening files, any idea's?
[04:08] <St0n3-C0l> Pyre is your bot ?
[04:08] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[04:08] <apokryphos> yeah
[04:08] <Amaranth> I had one of those in here.
[04:08] <Amaranth> UbuntuBot
[04:08] <Kazuhiro> it was ok, but now its not working, any other pdf viewers?
[04:08] <Kazuhiro> included in default install?
[04:08] <Amaranth> I got in trouble for spamming because i was giving it commands and it was sending output to the channel.
[04:09] <n4cht> it's easy to burn an audio cd with cdrecord, just make a dir of mp3s/oggs, and mkisofs, then burn the iso.   of course, it is a lot easier just to drag+drop point and click with a frontend.
[04:09] <MadHadron> n4cht, That's not an audio CD...
[04:09] <apokryphos> Amaranth: I'd find it very hard to argue the position that there shouldn't be bots; what did they say? Was there excessive posting from him?
[04:09] <Amaranth> n4cht: That makes an audio CD? are you sure it doesn't make an mp3 data cd?
[04:09] <St0n3-C0l> Thanks apokryphos ;)
[04:09] <EfaistOs> Amaranth, agree with you ...
[04:09] <Amaranth> apokryphos: I got to keep it here, I just couldn't let it talk in the channel.
[04:09] <n4cht> doh.  yeah.  brainfart.
[04:10] <CarlK> mkisofs isn't used for audio
[04:10] <apokryphos> ergh
[04:10] <EfaistOs> n4cht, it will be just an data cd ..
[04:10] <EfaistOs> s/an/s
[04:10] <EfaistOs> s/s/a
[04:10] <Amaranth> apokryphos: It wasn't talking much at all. No one ever used it (useless when it PMs, people asking for help don't notice) so when it dropped one day I just left it down.
[04:10] <apokryphos> oh
[04:10] <n4cht> audio cds require burning each individual track.  *hangs head*  can ya tell it's been a while since i've bothered making an audio cd?  all of my cd players will play mp3 cds.
[04:11] <EfaistOs> gnomebaker looks pretty good ... but i can't find it ...
[04:11] <Amaranth> it's in hoary universe, iirc
[04:11] <St0n3-C0l> gnomebaker ??
[04:11] <EfaistOs> n4cht, you're lucky .... but what about others who don't have mp3 players ?
[04:11] <St0n3-C0l> Whats this
[04:11] <EfaistOs> a thing like K3B ...
[04:11] <EfaistOs> gnomebaker.sourceforge.net
[04:12] <apokryphos> Amaranth: I don't think it is.
[04:12] <Amaranth> it is
[04:12] <Amaranth> i have it
[04:12] <n4cht> i only listen to CDs in the car.   a cd player that will play mp3 cds costs like $100.  (if you don't mind a really cheap brand, you can get 'em as low as $50)
[04:13] <apokryphos> Amaranth: my apt-get output and http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/ beg to differ :P
[04:13] <Seveas> there arr ogg players too
[04:13] <Seveas>  :)
[04:13] <Seveas> Amaranth, gnomebaker is not in hoary universe
[04:13] <[nrx_] > allo
[04:13] <Amaranth> apokryphos: Then someone made a special package for it with an ubuntu2 tag and left the debian maintainer name.
[04:13] <Seveas> :)
[04:14] <[nrx_] > anyone fancy helping me get sound working?
[04:14] <[nrx_] > :)
[04:14] <Lemonzest> anyone else having trouble with todays update?
[04:14] <apokryphos> Amaranth: heh. Could you www.pastebin.com your sources.list?
[04:14] <Amaranth> they're the default
[04:14] <apokryphos> I think there's a repo for it flying about, but it's almost certainly not in Universe.
[04:14] <Lemonzest> i install the i386 build and then the ati xorg drivers
[04:14] <Lemonzest> and restart
[04:14] <Lemonzest> and its fine
[04:15] <Lemonzest> then i run the unbuntu updater
[04:15] <n4cht> yanno, there's a nautilus cd burning frontend?   i just noticed that when doing a search for apps to test out.
[04:15] <Lemonzest> and everything dl's fine
[04:15] <Amaranth> Lemonzest: "today's update" for me is just some dhcp stuff
[04:15] <AcidWolf> quick question is it possible to install Grub as my bootloader
[04:15] <Lemonzest> but on reboot, the internet is dead
[04:15] <St0n3-C0l> how to use .dsc file ?
[04:15] <Amaranth> AcidWolf: It's the default.
[04:15] <[nrx_] > AcidWolf, yes
[04:15] <Seveas> Lemonzest, that is a dhcp problem
[04:15] <n4cht> cdrtoaster is a qucik and easy tcl/tk app for burning audio cds.
[04:15] <Lemonzest> i have nForce3 Gigabit lan
[04:15] <AcidWolf> Amaranth its not on my machine
[04:15] <Seveas> you need the ubuntu3 dhcp packages
[04:15] <Seveas> the ubuntu2 ones are broken
[04:16] <St0n3-C0l> AcidWolf: in MBR ?
[04:16] <Seveas> just spent some time with oly resolving the same problem :)
[04:16] <Lemonzest> how do i get them? with no connection?
[04:16] <Amaranth> that explains the dhcp update
[04:16] <AcidWolf> im using Ubuntu PPC Haory
[04:16] <SiRrUs> AcidWolf grub is the ubuntu default
[04:16] <Lemonzest> or will the daily install cd include them?
[04:16] <Seveas> Lemonzest, i can e-mail them to you than you can put them on a floppy/usb stick
[04:16] <AcidWolf> SiRrUs mine is using Yaboot
[04:16] <conor> hi there
[04:16] <Amaranth> Seveas: You just scared the crap out of me. I thought what I just installed was going to break my connection.
[04:16] <[nrx_] > hi
[04:16] <kbrooks> yaboot?
[04:16] <Lemonzest> nah its ok
[04:16] <kbrooks> wtf
[04:16] <Seveas> Amaranth, lol :)
[04:17] <AcidWolf> yes Yaboot
[04:17] <macewan> whoa, I just read that you guys are the Code breakers from PyMusique. that sounds like some sort of secret society or something - http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/2142.html
[04:17] <conor> has anyone ever tried replacing the debian sources with ubuntu ones in sources.list and then dist-upgrading? if so, what were the results
[04:17] <EddieX> Anyone using Warty, and has only black opengl windows? (using nvidia)
[04:17] <n4cht> ok, for those of you not wanting to use k3b, or deal with doing track-by-track CLI cdrecord...  cdrtoaster, and eroaster are both pretty nice.  :)
[04:17] <conor> generally i want to know if its possible to install ubuntu from a debian base
[04:17] <[nrx_] > conor, i did that last night and it's fine :)
[04:17] <macewan> *smak - wrong window
[04:18] <conor> [nrx_] : hrrmm... now i'm tempted
[04:18] <[nrx_] > i ran all my files locally, though
[04:18] <conor> [nrx_] : how do you mean?
[04:18] <Lemonzest> any idea why the dhcp package borked?
[04:18] <[nrx_] > this lappy has a b0rked cdrom so i just shared out one from a winbox, smbmount and there we go.
[04:18] <[nrx_] > i.e. in my sources.list I didn't specify pages.. i specified lan locations :)
[04:19] <[nrx_] > i cheated, too. ran an ftpd on the winbox with the root set to the cd drive to start with
[04:19] <[nrx_] > heh
[04:19] <[nrx_] > then, mounted the share as /packages and set that file:/packages in the sources.list
[04:19] <[nrx_] > apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:19] <[nrx_] > and here i am
[04:20] <[nrx_] > this was all done from a couple debian boot floppies
[04:20] <conor> ah
[04:20] <conor> so you didn't have a complete debian install on the box?
[04:20] <[nrx_] > no, though it's all the same principle
[04:20] <AcidWolf> how do i get to the MBR through gui to play with bootloader
[04:21] <[nrx_] > just changing the preferences file and sources.list files to your ubuntu lot :)
[04:21] <n4cht> wow!  the nautilus cd burning frontend is really slick, and it was already installed with ubuntu.
[04:21] <CarlK> [nrx]  - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LocalNetInstall
[04:21] <[nrx_] > what's that?
[04:21] <conor> well you've only got ubuntu packages. if i did it over an existing debian install i'd have an insane mix of debian and ubuntu packages on it
[04:21] <conor> i'd have dubuntu
[04:21] <CarlK> a web page.
[04:22] <dopp0> Hi. My gnome is taking some minutes before starting, but I couldn't find a reason for that. Where can I see what is taking so long to start? After starting, gnome is fast and normal
[04:22] <[nrx_] > leet new distro
[04:22] <[nrx_] > ;p
[04:22] <restrex> hi guyz
[04:22] <HappyPills> just finished upgrading to hoary, the only thing that appeared to break is ndiswrapper =P
[04:22] <Seveas> dopp0, can you be more precise about when it stalls?
[04:23] <[nrx_] > im about to start playing with ndiswrapper
[04:23] <[nrx_] > is it easy enough?
[04:23] <Seveas> [nrx_] , very
[04:23] <AcidWolf> can i get to the MBR through configuration editor to play with the bootloader
[04:23] <Seveas> just run ndiswrapper -i on the drivers inffile
[04:23] <conor> [nrx_] : yeah.. but i have work to do! not going to risk it, will install ubuntu whenever i get round to getting a new pc
[04:23] <HappyPills> it is hell on earth if if your card isn't compatible with the Ubuntu version of it
[04:23] <restrex> when I enable inotify at the /boot/grub/menu.lst, the gnome session paralize when it's booting, when I disable inotify the gnome session starts normally, How can I fix it?? thanks
[04:23] <HappyPills> otherwise it is very very simple
[04:23] <Seveas> and add an alias for your card to the modules
[04:23] <dopp0> Seveas, sure! As soon as I put my username and password in gdm, it gets the "gray" screen (the normal one, the one that appears the splash) and my cursor (mouse), and nothing happens...
[04:23] <n4cht> crap.  it's almost 10:30, i have to leave for work and i'm not even dressed yet.  thank god i'm off tomorrow.
[04:24] <[nrx_] > DWL-G650+?
[04:24] <[nrx_] > lol
[04:24] <dopp0> Seveas, and then it takes some minutes before the splash starting....
[04:24] <restrex> when I enable inotify at the /boot/grub/menu.lst, the gnome session paralize when it's booting, when I disable inotify the gnome session starts normally, How can I fix it?? thanks
[04:24] <Seveas> dopp0, are you on nfs or something?
[04:24] <Seveas> note: nfs NOT ntfs :)
[04:24] <dopp0> Seveas, no :-)
[04:25] <Seveas> restrex, don't use inotify :)
[04:25] <restrex> wtf
[04:25] <restrex> fix that!
[04:25] <restrex> I want to use it
[04:25] <Seveas> restrex, inotyfy is too buggy
[04:25] <restrex> and it's enable =)
[04:25] <Seveas> and if you want to use it, help fixing it
[04:25] <restrex> oh cool
[04:25] <restrex> I think you're a kernel hacker
[04:25] <restrex> bye
[04:25] <Lemonzest> oh and another thing, i get no audio and my webcam dosent work
[04:26] <Seveas> dopp0, hmm then i have no idea... sorry
[04:26] <Lemonzest> yet the audio works from thre live cd
[04:26] <Lemonzest> i have a sb live 5.1
[04:26] <Seveas> maybe dmesg or some log file gives you some clues
[04:26] <Lemonzest> only thing in dmesg is something abour the nforce ide bus
[04:26] <dopp0> Seveas, ok, no prob. but do you know where can I have a log of what's happening in gnome during startup? I tried some of the /var/log/* but nothing useful there
[04:26] <idn> lemonzest cant you get the sound to work?
[04:26] <Lemonzest> everything else is picked up
[04:27] <Lemonzest> no i cant
[04:27] <Lemonzest> but it works from the live cd
[04:27] <idn> have you messed around with alsamixer
[04:27] <Lemonzest> yup
[04:27] <idn> what distro are you using
[04:27] <Lemonzest> in the media thing when you can set which sound daremon
[04:27] <Lemonzest> i have tryed all
[04:27] <Lemonzest> alsa
[04:27] <Lemonzest> oss
[04:27] <AcidWolf> that is really strange that everyone else has GRUB but i dont O_o
[04:27] <Lemonzest> esd
[04:28] <Seveas> AcidWolf, are you in lilo?
[04:28] <Seveas> on*
[04:28] <AcidWolf> no
[04:28] <Lemonzest> does riserfs work with amd64?
[04:28] <AcidWolf> my boot is fully text based
[04:28] <idn> riserfs should work on amd64
[04:28] <AcidWolf> it looks alot like Yaboot
[04:28] <idn> i got an option to use it when i installed 64bit fedora the other day
[04:28] <Lemonzest> yeah i tryed xfs but both lilo and grub would not work on the amd64 build
[04:29] <Dalkus> AcidWolf, LILO installs if GRUB can't for some reason :)
[04:29] <Lemonzest> but the i386 disk is fine
[04:29] <idn> wierd
[04:29] <AcidWolf> oh ok so it would then more than likely be the fact that im on PPC and this is hoary after all so not 100% stable
[04:29] <eyequeue> both grub and lilo are text-based
[04:30] <idn> yeah, i managed to install a splash image for grub after alot of messing arround
[04:30] <MadHadron> AcidWolf, Anything on PPC is going to start as yaboot
[04:30] <MadHadron> And then possibly go to GRUB
[04:30] <AcidWolf> grub does have the little splash screen
[04:30] <AcidWolf> oh ok well that explains it
[04:30] <eyequeue> AcidWolf:  not by default
[04:30] <AcidWolf> oh ok
[04:31] <AcidWolf> so should i let it be or tinker with it
[04:33] <Dalkus> Does Warty ship with Gnome 1.2 or 2.x ?
[04:33] <eyequeue> 2.10
[04:34] <Dalkus> Thanks
[04:35] <Seveas> 2.8 that is
[04:35] <Seveas> 2.10 is hoary
[04:35] <Dalkus> I'm having problems with the 'notification area' docking applet for Gnome (in warty). AMSN's icon *does* appear in it but double clicking dosnt minimise or hide AMSN, nothing happens. Any advice on how to fix this?
[04:36] <Seveas> Dalkus, sounds like you need to change AMSN's configuration :)
[04:36] <Seveas> i don't use amsn though, so i cannot help with that
[04:37] <Dalkus> That's what I thought at fist, but I'm not so sure (since there is no configuration for it.. and it works fine in KDE). Also xMule dosn't seem to appear in the dock when I tell it to
[04:40] <azad> what tool could i use for bunring discs?
[04:40] <azad> nero-like?
[04:40] <Dalkus> k3b :)
[04:40] <Dalkus> I believe nero is also ported to linux
[04:41] <Dalkus> nero-linux rings a bell. Check k3b out though
[04:41] <SiRrUs> azad graveman works good
[04:42] <Dr_Willis> i read a review of the nero.. they sort of said k3b is better at this time
[04:43] <Dalkus> Yeah I think I briefly read the same
[04:44] <MadHadron> k3b has the advantage of being designed for the platform its on.
[04:44] <MadHadron> Dr_Willis, Your nick looks familiar...I don't suppose you used to hang around in #ad&d on Dalnet?
[04:44] <Dr_Willis> MadHadron,  Yep. :P
[04:44] <Dr_Willis> same one.
[04:45] <MadHadron> Aha, I'm Sgath.
[04:45] <Dr_Willis> Dalnet=Spambotnet.
[04:45] <Dr_Willis> :P
[04:45] <Dr_Willis> Whats New dude.
[04:45] <Dalkus> I changed my icon theme for Gnome and some are now missing, for example the desktop icon. How can I choose a new icon for this? I can't seem to find a way
[04:45] <MadHadron> Aside the name, not that much.  I head off to grad school in the fall...they haven't wised upon and kicked me out of school yet.
[04:45] <MadHadron> s/the name/from the name/
[04:46] <black_Nightmare> seveas?
[04:46] <black_Nightmare> hmm *me pokes seveas hehe*
[04:47] <Dr_Willis> MadHadron,  visited an old friend the other day.. his mom had aparently thrown out a lof of his 10+ yr old RPG stuff. Since he haddent touched it in 10+ yrs.. :P
[04:47] <Dr_Willis> ebay material!
[04:47] <Quest-Master> Is the latest XFCE in Hoary repos.?
[04:47] <MadHadron> Willis, <chuckles> Mine's all sitting unused in my family's home.
[04:48] <MadHadron> Willis, Unused except for a Changeling game I was in last year.
[04:48] <Seveas> ohno, the nightmare has returned
[04:48] <Seveas> :)
[04:48] <Dr_Willis> MadHadron,  never even heard of that one. :P
[04:49] <Dr_Willis> MadHadron,  been playing WOrld of Warcraft.. but all the MMORPGS have gotten old.
[04:49] <Dr_Willis> so i hang out in Linux channels and learn stuff
[04:49] <Seveas> black_Nightmare, ping
[04:49] <MadHadron> Willis, More diverting, I'm sure.
[04:49] <black_Nightmare> seveas :p
[04:49] <Seveas> hi :)
[04:49] <Seveas> you called?
[04:50] <black_Nightmare> I've gotten to a desktop now and btw...I noticed that when it was doing internet it grabbed libc6-i686 so I'm guessing its updated itself already?
[04:50] <Dr_Willis> MadHadron,  yea - we got the good old EQ addicts at work we still make fun of.
[04:50] <Quest-Master> Every application takes so long to startup now for some reason
[04:50] <Quest-Master> ;(
[04:50] <Seveas> black_Nightmare, not really
[04:50] <Quest-Master> Even after prelinking
[04:50] <black_Nightmare> seveas..oh ok
[04:50] <Seveas> apt-get install linux-686
[04:51] <black_Nightmare> seveas...do I have to like reboot after that or no?
[04:51] <Seveas> libc6-686 is another extremely important part :)
[04:51] <MadHadron> Willis, Ah, evercrack.  And I never even saw the game.
[04:51] <Seveas> black_Nightmare, yes
[04:51] <Seveas> there is no use in installing a kernel without using it :)
[04:51] <MadHadron> Willis, But my days are pretty full now with mathematics, music, cooking, and getting my swim in.
[04:51] <black_Nightmare> ughh where do I go to do apt-get? :">
[04:51] <MadHadron> black, A terminal
[04:51] <Quest-Master> black_Nightmare: console
[04:51] <Quest-Master> Same thing, a terminal and a console
[04:51] <Dr_Willis> MadHadron,  wait till you are an old man.. and have a wife and step-daughter...
[04:52] <Dr_Willis> MadHadron,  Hmm... shes looking for a Boyfriend.. :P
[04:52] <black_Nightmare> umm could you just (lol) tell me step by step where to go to type this apt-get line?
[04:52] <Seveas> black_Nightmare, applications -> system tools -> root termial
[04:52] <MadHadron> Seveas, You know you're dated when your default mode of interaction is not longer common knowledge.
[04:52] <black_Nightmare> ic..one second seveas let me swap mointor again...
[04:52] <Seveas> lol MadHadron :)
[04:52] <MadHadron> Willis, Oh heavens, don't even think of inflicting me on anyone.
[04:52] <dumbhack> gcc works fine, but I don't have "sockets.h" on my system.  Which package do I have to get to have sockets.h?
[04:52] <MadHadron> Willis, Theoretical physicists who are music bigots aren't folks to saddle anyone with.
[04:52] <Seveas> dumbhack, apt-get install build-essential
[04:52] <black_Nightmare> so applications>system tools>root termial then type 'apt-get install linux-686' right?
[04:53] <Seveas> yes black_Nightmare
[04:53] <black_Nightmare> brb :p
[04:53] <MadHadron> black, Put a sudo before apt-get
[04:53] <Seveas> MadHadron, nope
[04:53] <Seveas> root terminal :)
[04:53] <MadHadron> Yes, just noticed
[04:53] <kev0r> dumbhack: http://www.google.nl/search?hl=nl&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&q=socket.h+download&btnG=Zoeken&meta=
[04:53] <dumbhack> Seveas: I already have the latest version of build-essential
[04:53] <Dr_Willis> MadHadron,  has to be better then the Weed-Smoking parasite she has been seeing.
[04:53] <dross> I'm unable to install mplayer, why?
[04:53] <Seveas> ok, so what are you trying to compile dumbhack ?
[04:53] <dross> libsvga1 isn't available
[04:54] <MadHadron> Willis, In the long term yes, but she's probably less likely to kill them in the short term.
[04:54] <Dr_Willis> MadHadron,  I just read a Book on Quantum stuff the other day.. :P "Schrodingers Rabbits"
[04:54] <Seveas> dross, how are you trying to install it
[04:54] <dross> Seveas: dselect ;)
[04:54] <MadHadron> Willis, I think I've seen the title somewhere, but I avoid pop science books.  They don't resemble anything I know.
[04:54] <Seveas> eeeek
[04:54] <dumbhack> Seveas: I'm trying to write a little C client/server app, and I'm used to using sys/sockets.h
[04:54] <Seveas> dselect is icky :)
[04:54] <dross> Seveas: now apt-get
[04:54] <diana> How can I make my PEAP/EAP work even if I dont need a certificate, cuz in windows the server asks me for the certificate himlesf
[04:54] <dross> Seveas: still not working
[04:54] <MadHadron> dross, As of now you will always you aptitude instead of dselect.
[04:54] <Seveas> dumbhack, sys/socket.h
[04:54] <Seveas> no s
[04:55] <MadHadron> dross, This will be a significant improvement in your quality of life.
[04:55] <Seveas> dross, have you added marillat repos for mplayer?
[04:55] <dross> Seveas: that what?
[04:55] <dross> Seveas: hmm
[04:55] <MadHadron> Willis, Actually, a pop math book I would recommend with only a few reservations is "The Lady Tasting Tea"
[04:55] <Seveas> they contain all semi-legal codec things
[04:55] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell dross uburestricted
[04:55] <Pyre> dross: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:56] <dross> #deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main  ?
[04:56] <diana> How can I make my PEAP/EAP work even if I dont need a certificate, cuz in windows the server asks me for the certificate himlesf
[04:56] <Seveas> yeah, but try unstable
[04:56] <NetwrkMonkey> dross yes memphis is a craphole
[04:56] <apokryphos> dross: that's one of them, yes.
[04:56] <MadHadron> Willis, I don't agree with his interpretation of statistics in many places (since I am a firm holder of the mechanistic, deterministic universe view he claims is gone), but it's got a lot of fun stuff.
[04:56] <dross> NetwrkMonkey: you are right :)
[04:56] <NetwrkMonkey> Nashville's not bad :-)
[04:56] <Seveas> diana, in xsupplicant set the certificate to NONE
[04:57] <dross> I'm unable to getch because theres a key :/
[04:57] <Seveas> dross what do you mean?
[04:57] <NetwrkMonkey> dross, where are you now? alaska?
[04:57] <dross>  GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release: The following signatures could not be verified
[04:57] <apokryphos> dross: ignore it.
[04:57] <dross> NetwrkMonkey: TN
[04:58] <dross> apokryphos: I'm still unable to get the package for svgalib
[04:58] <Seveas> dross: gpg --recv-keys 1f41b907 && gpg --export --armor 1f41b907 > /tmp/marillatkey && apt-key add /tmp/marillatkey
[04:58] <azad> hm how to mount usb stick?
[04:59] <dross> Seveas: hmm
[04:59] <Seveas> azad, plug it in :)
[04:59] <dross> Seveas: may I ask where you got the key from?
[04:59] <Seveas> it should automount
[04:59] <azad> where to?
[04:59] <dross> Seveas: is it on the output of the error?
[04:59] <Seveas> subkeys.pgp.net
[04:59] <Scisla1> how on earth can I upgrade x-window-system-core? it obviously can't do it from w/in Gnome...
[04:59] <Seveas> no, it's on marillat's homepage
[04:59] <MadHadron> Scislal, You can use synaptic
[04:59] <Seveas> Scisla1, boot into rescue mode or safe mode
[04:59] <apokryphos> scizzo: update your x?
[04:59] <Dmitri4enko> ))
[04:59] <apokryphos> Sure you can.
[04:59] <Seveas> and then apt-get upgrade
[05:00] <Roey> crimsun:  hi!!!!
[05:00] <tck> whats the default CUPS login for http://localhost:631 ?
[05:00] <MadHadron> Scislal, But I don't really recommend it if you're trying to go from warty to hoary
[05:00] <apokryphos> scizzo: sorry, wasn't meant for you. ;)
[05:00] <azad> Seveas: where does it mount to?
[05:00] <Seveas> a subdir of /media
[05:00] <Seveas> brb
[05:00] <Dmitri4enko>
[05:01] <claint> cyrillic?
[05:01] <Scisla1> MadHadron:  really? I basically went Hoary right after install (3 wks ago)... should I wait or just never do it?
[05:01] <MadHadron> Scislal, Not sure.  It gave me trouble.
[05:01] <azad> there's nothing in media
[05:01] <MadHadron> Scislal, But I cheated after that and just copied my data off and reinstalled.
[05:01] <azad> only cdrom
[05:01] <black_Nightmare> ok seveas its back to the # prompt (or whatever you like to call it heh) in root terminal and its not even asking anything..not a reboot
[05:02] <black_Nightmare> should I manually reboot or nah?
[05:02] <Scisla1> hmmm...
[05:02] <Scisla1> thanks for the info
[05:02] <MadHadron> I don't suppose anyone remembers Sibelius' first name?
[05:03] <black_Nightmare> hm... *waits for seveas to un-brb hehe*
[05:03] <claint> tck: i guess that is a good question, since you don't have root in ubuntu.
[05:03] <azad> can i manually mount my usb stick
[05:03] <[nrx_] > cany anyone help me with a ndiswrapper problem?
[05:03] <Seveas> black_Nightmare, apt-get will never ask to reboot :)
[05:04] <Seveas> but you should reboot now to use your freshly installed kernel
[05:04] <[nrx_] > "modprobe: Can't locate module ndiswrapper
[05:04] <[nrx_] > "
[05:04] <MadHadron> nrx, You may have to run depmod -a
[05:04] <MadHadron> Always assuming you have ndiswrapper installed
[05:04] <azad> Seveas, can i manually mount it?
[05:04] <[nrx_] > so, if i run depmod -a
[05:04] <Seveas> sure
[05:04] <dross> ...
[05:04] <[nrx_] > what does that do for me and what's next?
[05:04] <Seveas> azad, pmount /dev/sda
[05:05] <claint> azad: ou can manually mount a usb stick of course.
[05:05] <HappyPills> yep, he installed ndiswrapper correctly and loaded the windows drivers for it
[05:05] <dross> its still not working. I can't find any packages for what I want
[05:05] <Seveas> if it doesn't work: try /dev/sda1 or /dev/sdb
[05:05] <azad> kay
[05:05] <black_Nightmare> ah ok seveas ty .. brb one second :p
[05:05] <MadHadron> nrx, Try the insmod again
[05:05] <[nrx_] > again?
[05:05] <MadHadron> nrx, depmod -a rebuilds the index of modules
[05:05] <[nrx_] > ah, okay
[05:05] <dross> grr, dammit
[05:05] <dross> this is frustrating
[05:05] <[nrx_] > and insmod?
[05:06] <[nrx_] > installs a module, I presume
[05:06] <Seveas> dross, libsvga1 is in ubuntu hoary universe
[05:06] <[nrx_] > however, what's the syntax for it?
[05:06] <claint> insmod loads a module, but it is much better to use modprobe
[05:06] <dross> Seveas: I just updated
[05:06] <Seveas> have you enabled universe?
[05:06] <dross> Seveas: I think I do, but I'll check again
[05:06] <[nrx_] > well, a modprobe gives back the same error as before
[05:06] <dross> Seveas: whoops :)
[05:06] <MadHadron> nrx, Whoops, modprobe I mean
[05:07] <dross> Seveas: I forgot which machine I was on :)
[05:07] <Seveas> lol
[05:07] <MadHadron> nrx, Hmm.  Then you don't have the module installed properly
[05:07] <MadHadron> nrx, And I shan't be any more help since I've no experience with ndiswrapper
[05:07] <[nrx_] > depmod -a completes with no output
[05:07] <dross> hmm
[05:07] <[nrx_] > and then modprobe gives the error "Can't locate module ndiswrapper"
[05:07] <Seveas> [nrx] , ls -R /var/lib`uname -r`/ | grep ndiswrapper
[05:08] <azad> what file system got an usb stick?
[05:08] <Seveas> does that give any output?
[05:08] <Seveas> azad, usually vfat
[05:08] <azad> thanks
[05:08] <dross> Seveas: thank you, Its installing
[05:08] <Seveas> :o)
[05:08] <Quest-Master> Would compiling my own kernel speed up things a bit in general? And still keep my system stable and safe
[05:08] <Quest-Master> ?
[05:08] <[nrx_] > Seveas: no such file or directory
[05:08] <Seveas> Quest-Master, usually not
[05:09] <Seveas> [nrx_] , ehm right my bad
[05:09] <Seveas> [nrx] , ls -R /var/lib/`uname -r`/ | grep ndiswrapper
[05:09] <Seveas> forgot a slash
[05:09] <Seveas> argh
[05:09] <Seveas> nooooooooo
[05:09] <Seveas> .me needs coffee
[05:09] <[nrx_] > same error
[05:09] <[nrx_] > lol
[05:09] <Seveas> [nrx] , ls -R /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ | grep ndiswrapper
[05:09] <Seveas> brb, getting coffee
[05:10] <claint>  heheh /var/lib
[05:10] <[nrx_] > gives nothing
[05:10] <Seveas> [nrx] , the the module is not installed :)
[05:10] <[nrx_] > guh
[05:10] <[nrx_] > should i try it from source then?
[05:10] <HappyPills> what is the ubuntu package name for the module itself?
[05:11] <Seveas> have you run make modules-install when baking your kernel?
[05:11] <claint> i think i am gonna go to starbucks to test my wireless
[05:11] <Seveas> HappyPills, [nrx_]  likes to build his own kernel :)
[05:11] <Seveas> hf claint
[05:11] <HappyPills> ah...
[05:11] <[nrx_] > i didn't make my kernel
[05:11] <[nrx_] > ;p
[05:12] <[nrx_] > not as yet.. it's to come later on
[05:12] <claint> nothing big to it.
[05:12] <[nrx_] > no, i mean i'm fiddling with other bits n bobs first
[05:12] <[nrx_] > a new kernel's coming later tonight
[05:13] <[nrx_] > anway. after an apt-get, ndiswrapper was 'installed' and after "ndiswrapper -i file.inf" it was there.
[05:13] <[nrx_] > for instance.. plugging it in..
[05:14] <[nrx_] > "Installed ndis drivers:
[05:14] <[nrx_] > gplus   hardware present
[05:14] <[nrx_] > "
[05:14] <Seveas> apt-get install ndiswrapper installs only the user-space utils
[05:14] <Seveas> NOT the kernel module
[05:15] <Seveas> tou can install ndiswrapper-source and build it yourself of course :)
[05:15] <claint> perhaps your kernel compile is coming earlier than expected [nrx_]  ?
[05:15] <Seveas> just a ./configure, mak, make install dance :)
[05:15] <[nrx_] > think i'll do that
[05:16] <fangorious> anyone using familiar with acpi code? specifically using a custom dsdt in their initrd?
[05:17] <black_Nightmare> seveas ok its back to the ubuntu desktop again :)
[05:17] <SirGrok> Hey, I am a new Ubuntu user (I love it... almost done configuring) and I need help with configuring my sound card (Sound Blaster Audigy 2)
[05:17] <black_Nightmare> anything else important I should apt-get or nah?
[05:17] <Seveas> black_Nightmare, not really :)
[05:18] <Seveas> just enjoy your ubuntu-system :0
[05:18] <Seveas> :)
[05:18] <black_Nightmare> ok ty seveas -- umm allow me to see about using ubuntu-xchat instead of this windows one.......brb :p
[05:18] <Lindo> what p2p software do you guys use in ubuntu ?
[05:18] <SirGrok> Azureus
[05:18] <Seveas> None
[05:18] <Seveas> :)
[05:18] <fangorious> azureus
[05:18] <apokryphos> Limewire
[05:18] <Dr_Willis> Lindo,   none really. :P
[05:18] <Dr_Willis> p2p is Evil! :P
[05:18] <Lindo> ok :P
[05:18] <Lindo> no it aint :P
[05:19] <apokryphos> Dr_Willis: Never!
[05:19] <Seveas> tcp/ip is peer-to-peer :)
[05:19] <Dr_Willis> i just LOVE how i seem to UPLOAD faster then I ever download anything.
[05:19] <SirGrok> Linux has helped me in one area of piracy.... No more software piracy... but for the rest: ARRRRG!
[05:19] <HappyPills> yes... you can download all your latest *cough* linux *cough* distros via p2p
[05:19] <Lindo> hehe
[05:19] <apokryphos> Lindo: It essentially depends on what you're looking for. For MP3s, I use Limewire; for films, I use IRC/torrents (Azureus).
[05:19] <Dr_Willis> HappyPills,  that proves its evil! :p
[05:19] <Seveas> HappyPills, actually that's true
[05:19] <HappyPills> I know it's true =P
[05:19] <Seveas> ubuntu is encouraging bittorent as dowload medium for cd images
[05:19] <Lindo> apokrypos: got a link for limewire ?
[05:20] <MadHadron> Seveas, as they should
[05:20] <navreet> Lindo, giFT works (can connect to FastTrack[Kazaa] )
[05:20] <Lindo> hmmm
[05:20] <apokryphos> %google limewire
[05:20] <Pyre> http://www.limewire.com/ - LimeWire: Running the Gnutella Network
[05:20] <navreet> Lindo, don't forget to gift-setup (and read it carefully)
[05:20] <MadHadron> This is the problem of listening to obscure music.  I can't just hop on the 'net and find it.
[05:20] <navreet> Gnutella sux
[05:20] <apokryphos> navreet: oi ;)
[05:20] <Lindo> k ill try some things :)
[05:21] <Seveas> apokryphos, make that bot respond only to provate messages and no one will know it's a bot :)
[05:21] <Seveas> MadHadron, define obscure?
[05:21] <alle> Hi all!
[05:22] <MadHadron> Seveas, Classical music from the late 3rd to the early 19th century, and certain chamber and symphonic works of the 20th century.
[05:22] <Seveas> hi alle!
[05:22] <MadHadron> Seveas, What I play myself, essentially.
[05:22] <Seveas> MadHadron, that's not obscure
[05:22] <Seveas> that's beautiful music
[05:22] <alle> I have a Lexmark z615 here which I'd like to use with Ubuntu, but it doesn't work...
[05:22] <HappyPills> anyway I off to bed now
[05:22] <Seveas> too beautiful for p2p ")
[05:22] <SirGrok> Hey, I am a new Ubuntu user (I love it... almost done configuring) and I need help with configuring my sound card (Sound Blaster Audigy 2)
[05:22] <MadHadron> Seveas, Maybe I have an odd perspective since I'm on a university campus.
[05:22] <HappyPills> gnight
[05:23] <alle> Lexmark provides a .ppd for cups which I've installed but the printer remains silent
[05:23] <Lindo> apokryphos, what package do i need to get ?
[05:23] <apokryphos> Lindo: the one for Linux :P
[05:23] <MadHadron> Seveas, I think the other issue is that current encoding schemes don't handle multimovement works well
[05:23] <Lindo> not the rpm one i guess
[05:23] <Roben> SirGrok: what is your problem?
[05:23] <Lindo> the other then?
[05:23] <black_nightmare> seveas just one problem -- my keyboard doesnt seem to be the right english one
[05:23] <black_nightmare> err duh see
[05:23] <SirGrok> My 5.1 isn't working.
[05:23] <apokryphos> Lindo: either works
[05:24] <Seveas> black_nightmare, sounds like a locale issue
[05:24] <SirGrok> I don't think that it has loaded the proper drivers..... The sound works, but on 2.1
[05:24] <Lindo> how do install the rpm one then ?
[05:24] <apokryphos> Lindo: use alien
[05:24] <Seveas> dont know much about that though
[05:24] <alle> Can somebody maybe give me a hand with getting this printer to work?
[05:24] <black_nightmare> seveas --- i pick usa english keyboard.....where would i go to check that choice
[05:24] <Roben> SirGrok: ok. I don't know what to do.
[05:24] <apokryphos> Lindo: at least, it worked for me with a previous version, so I guess it's still fine.
[05:24] <SirGrok> Atleast you are honest.
[05:24] <Seveas> black_nightmare, system->preferences->keyboard
[05:24] <Lindo> apokryphos: thx
[05:24] <ch3rn0byl> ok... i installed Ubuntu to a seperate partion in OS X (Apple_UNIX_SVR2) and i was curious of how can i mount it from my OS X terminal?
[05:25] <Roben> SirGrok: =)
[05:25] <ch3rn0byl> it's number is 11
[05:25] <ch3rn0byl> disk0s11
[05:25] <Seveas> SirGrok, you nead to enable a 5.1 plugin
[05:25] <Seveas> search the forums for somthing like that
[05:25] <SirGrok> Seveas, Where is a 5.1 plugin?
[05:25] <Seveas> (i don't know it exactly too)
[05:25] <randabis_> hmm this is weird
[05:25] <ch3rn0byl> i tried "$ sudo mount -o nodev /dev/disk0s11 ~/Desktop
[05:25] <ch3rn0byl> Password:
[05:25] <ch3rn0byl> /dev/disk0s11 on /Users/jake/Desktop: Incorrect super block."
[05:26] <ch3rn0byl> and got that error message
[05:26] <randabis_> My java plugin works in mozilla firefox, but it will not work in mozilla suite or galeon
[05:26] <SirGrok> Actually, I have looked for the list of availible programs (I have found it a couple time... but now I can't. Can you link me there as well?)
[05:26] <randabis_> anyone have an idea why?
[05:26] <black_nightmare> seveas I found that since it thought i was in canada i was supposed to have these billingual/french keyboards
[05:26] <ch3rn0byl> so what else can i do
[05:26] <Seveas> lol black_nightmare :)
[05:26] <black_nightmare> I fixed it now..used usa keyboard layout..now its good.... see???
[05:26] <black_nightmare> :)
[05:26] <randabis_> I'm fairly certain the plugins are in the correct directory
[05:26] <apokryphos> randabis_: haven't seen you here for some time. :)
[05:26] <Seveas> SirGrok, hang on
[05:26] <SirGrok> Seveas, GRACIAS!
[05:26] <randabis_> Yeah, I haven't been online
[05:27] <black_nightmare> sevas I take it that any  opened programs/windows go to the bottom and as more gets added it gets narrower...right?
[05:27] <apokryphos> randabis_: does putting them in ~/mozilla/plugins not work?
[05:27] <Lindo> apokryphos: how does alien work ?
[05:27] <black_nightmare> sevveas -- I see that the screen seem a tad like very quick flickering....thats a sign to maybe raise the refresh rate a bit?
[05:27] <Lindo> i tried starting it up, did nothing
[05:27] <apokryphos> randabis_: *~/.mozilla/plugins
[05:28] <apokryphos> Lindo: see man alien
[05:28] <apokryphos> Lindo: it converts them to .deb
[05:28] <black_nightmare> nevermind figured it out
[05:28] <randabis_> apokryphos, the plugins ARE in that directory
[05:29] <apokryphos> hm
[05:29] <black_nightmare> had to go down one res to finally get 70Hz and it looks smooth now
[05:29] <ch3rn0byl> anyone able to answer my question
[05:29] <randabis_> what's a little strange is that there are TWO .mozillas
[05:29] <randabis_> both appear to be identical
[05:29] <apokryphos> not with the same name, surely?
[05:29] <randabis_> yes
[05:29] <black_nightmare> seveas one problem thou .. its kinda stretched itself off the side of the mointor....should I use the mointor controls or some kind of settings in ubuntu?
[05:29] <apokryphos> is that possible? ;)
[05:29] <typo> could someone confirm a bug for me? to see if it's not something with my config
[05:29] <randabis_> I think it might be a bug in the new Konqueror
[05:30] <typo> it's in the keyboard shortcuts
[05:30] <Seveas> SirGrok, i cannot find it, you should send an e-mail to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>asking for help
[05:30] <randabis_> I'm trying out kubuntu
[05:30] <apokryphos> randabis_: oh, in konqueror? Yes, someone reported that not so long ago. A bug has been filed.
[05:30] <typo> or should I just submit it?
[05:30] <randabis_> because all of my hidden folders have duplicates
[05:30] <randabis_> haha
[05:30] <apokryphos> randabis_: ls -a ~ doesn't show that though, eh?
[05:30] <randabis_> nah
[05:30] <SirGrok> Seveas, Thanks a lot for the attempt.
[05:30] <randabis_> that's why I figured it was konqueror
[05:31] <black_nightmare> nevermind seveas I need to stop asking!! lol I figured setting it to like 11xx something and now a bit of black on sides but at least I can see the whole screen
[05:31] <randabis_> there are three folders in ~/.mozilla: default, firefox, and plugins
[05:31] <Seveas> :)
[05:31] <apokryphos> randabis_: i'll have to check the progress with that report later..
[05:31] <Seveas> lol black_nightmare :)
[05:31] <randabis_> plugins has the java plugins inside
[05:32] <randabis_> AH
[05:32] <randabis_> I think I know why they don't work
[05:32] <randabis_> they seem to be owned by root
[05:32] <apokryphos> heh
[05:32] <randabis_> hmm
[05:33] <stianj> do I do any harm if I change the root password on Hoary? Or to ask another way, what's the default root password? :)
[05:33] <Seveas> stianj, there is no root password by default
[05:33] <Seveas> ubuntu uses sudo
[05:33] <randabis_> I don't know if that's what's wrong...they look like broken symbolic links in terminal (black background with red letters)
[05:33] <Seveas> and it does no harm to change it, but it is not neccessary too
[05:33] <stianj> I kinda knew that, so do it harm to "passwd root"?
[05:33] <stianj> ok
[05:33] <stianj> thanks :)
[05:33] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell stianj ubusudo
[05:33] <Pyre> stianj: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:33] <stianj> thanks :)
[05:34] <stianj> I'm already very familiar with sudo, but sometimes I'm writing "su -" of old habit, and instead of changing that habit right now, I thought I could use both approaches for awhile
[05:34] <stianj> thanks :)
[05:35] <alle> Please, I'm pretty new to all this and have no idea what could be wrong. The driver seems to be setup properly, there's no error message, yet the printer doesn't print :-/
[05:35] <apokryphos> randabis_: that will be an issue. Perhaps try reinstalling that stuff via apt
[05:35] <MadHadron> alle, Using gimp-print?
[05:36] <alle> MadHadron: I'm just using "Computer > System Settings > Printers"
[05:36] <ch3rn0byl> so can anyone help me mount my Ubuntu drive is OS X?
[05:36] <MadHadron> alle, It's the Epson, right?
[05:36] <randabis_> oh I think I've got it now
[05:36] <Vjaz> What was the equivalent of packages.debian.org for Ubuntu?
[05:36] <MadHadron> ch3rnobyl, Can OS X mount Linux partitions?
[05:36] <alle> MadHadron, nope, it's a Lexmark Z615
[05:36] <MadHadron> alle, I mean Lexmark
[05:36] <MadHadron> Yes,
[05:36] <alle> ya
[05:36] <MadHadron> So you're using the gimp-print
[05:37] <MadHadron> When you go to select the driver, don't choose the recommended one.  Choose cups+gimp-print
[05:37] <alle> I also tried to install it as Generic/Something, where it makes a sound and then does nothing
[05:37] <ch3rn0byl> MadHadron: yea it should be able to