[09:33] <Se7h> and i haven't slep
[09:34] <Ribs> Sleep is for sisseys
[09:34] <Se7h> lol
[09:34] <Se7h> ;P
[09:34] <Se7h> no
[09:34] <Se7h> its for tired ppl
[09:34] <Se7h> ;P
[09:39] <defunkt> need some more help guys :(
[09:39] <Se7h> shoot
[09:39] <defunkt> i am not sure if ubuntu supports my geforce 5500+ OC
[09:40] <defunkt> cause it is reading my video as generic nvidia video card
[09:40] <defunkt> and i installed q3 and i think it is running liek shit cause of it
[09:41] <Se7h> dreamer deja vu ?
[09:41] <Se7h> ;P
[09:41] <Se7h> now ur turn to help
[09:41] <defunkt> :)
[09:42] <defunkt> well if yall could help me out i would owe you big time
[09:42] <Synek> defunkt: what driver you have?
[09:42] <Se7h> well
[09:42] <Se7h> it would be nice if he wake up
[09:42] <Se7h> Synek generic
[09:43] <Synek> oh
[09:43] <Se7h> defunkt synaptic for "nvidia"
[09:43] <Synek> ;)
[09:43] <defunkt> synek: it says it's just the generic nvidia driver
[09:44] <Synek> follow the Se7h
[09:44] <Synek> :)
[09:44] <Synek> synatpic for nvidia, choose, install, have hope ;)
[09:45] <defunkt> well i have an issue right here
[09:45] <defunkt> i got the drivers from the nvidia site - the newest ones
[09:45] <defunkt> and i logged into root
[09:45] <Se7h> defunkt no need
[09:45] <defunkt> term
[09:46] <defunkt> well i want the newest ones tho
[09:46] <Se7h> why?
[09:46] <defunkt> all of these have been installed
[09:46] <defunkt> and it's running like shit
[09:46] <Synek> why so? to have + 0,1 fps in q3? ;-)
[09:47] <defunkt> well
[09:47] <defunkt> right now i am running about 2fps
[09:47] <defunkt> it's really reallly really slow
[09:47] <defunkt> and choppy as hell
[09:47] <Se7h> thats because u'r using the "nvidia" driver
[09:47] <defunkt> what else can i use
[09:47] <dreamer> sorry :P
[09:47] <Se7h> u need "nv" driver
[09:47] <Ribs> Nvidia's latest driver works fine here.
[09:48] <Ribs> Se7h: erm, that's bad advice
[09:48] <Se7h> is it ?
[09:48] <Ribs> the nv driver has no 3D acceleration at all
[09:48] <Se7h> well..works for me
[09:48] <Ribs> it will make games slower, if anything
[09:48] <Se7h> not for me
[09:48] <defunkt> what should i do? :(
[09:48] <Agrajag> Se7h: what games are you playing?
[09:48] <Ribs> Well, you stick with your Software rendering then :)
[09:48] <defunkt> gah
[09:48] <defunkt> i want to use this nice 5500+
[09:49] <Ribs> but if you actually want to use the 3D chip on your card, you need the nvidia driver
[09:49] <defunkt> it's on there
[09:49] <defunkt> and installed
[09:49] <Ribs> defunkt: what values does glxgears give?
[09:49] <defunkt> but running at like too
[09:49] <defunkt> how do i check that
[09:49] <Se7h> Agrajag doom3 for ie
[09:49] <Se7h> ;P
[09:49] <Agrajag> defunkt: run glxgears
[09:49] <Ribs> defunkt: open a terminal
[09:49] <Ribs> decklin: Run 'glxgears'
[09:49] <Agrajag> Se7h: then there's no way in herll you're using nv.
[09:49] <Ribs> let it run for a few seconds, then close it
[09:50] <Ribs> you'll get FPS values in the console
[09:50] <Se7h> lolol
[09:50] <crimsun> defunkt: glxinfo|grep vendor
[09:50] <defunkt> 11.8
[09:50] <Ribs> 11.8 fps?
[09:50] <defunkt> yeah
[09:50] <Ribs> ribs@zeus:~ $ glxgears
[09:50] <Ribs> 41544 frames in 5.0 seconds = 8308.800 FPS
[09:50] <defunkt> NVIDIA corporation
[09:50] <Ribs> That's what I'm getting
[09:50] <Ribs> so there is something wrong here.
[09:51] <defunkt> yeah
[09:51] <crimsun> defunkt: you should have 3 lines of "NVIDIA Corporation"
[09:51] <Se7h> Ribs "here" ?
[09:51] <Se7h> dont think so
[09:51] <crimsun> for server glx vendor, client glx vendor, and OpenGL vendor
[09:51] <defunkt> server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
[09:51] <defunkt> client glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
[09:51] <defunkt> OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
[09:51] <crimsun> correct
[09:51] <Ribs> Se7h: What?
[09:51] <Se7h> forget it
[09:51] <Se7h> lol
[09:51] <crimsun> glxinfo|grep rendering
[09:52] <defunkt> direct rendering: Yes
[09:52] <Ribs> defunkt: send me your x configuration file
[09:52] <crimsun> defunkt: and when you try, say, the doom3 demo, it plays fine?
[09:52] <defunkt> no i ran the q3 file
[09:52] <defunkt> err q3 game
[09:52] <dreamer> sigh, still no luck
[09:52] <defunkt> loaded like shit
[09:52] <defunkt> ribs: how do you see that?
[09:52] <Ribs> How do I see what?
[09:52] <defunkt> xconfiguration file
[09:52] <Ribs> oh, right
[09:53] <Ribs> it's in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[09:53] <Ribs> send it to me via XChat's send file feature
[09:53] <defunkt> do you want me to pm it to you?
[09:53] <defunkt> oh ok
[09:53] <neoxed> i have linux installed right now is there any way i could just pop a windows xp cd in and take say 150 gigs of space and make it ntfs and still have linux useing 150?
[09:53] <Ribs> /dcc send Ribs /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[09:54] <Ribs> That should do it
[09:54] <Ribs> neoxed: no
[09:54] <Ribs> neoxed: Windows doesn't really co-operate with Linux
[09:54] <defunkt> accept?
[09:54] <neoxed> partisons
[09:54] <Ribs> heh, whoops :)
[09:54] <Mesta> hey all, I seem to recall that security bugs are not looked after in testing.  Is this true?  Are there security issues with running hoary?
[09:54] <defunkt> ribs you'll see it's using the generic driver
[09:55] <Ribs> defunkt: No, it's using the nvidia driver
[09:56] <Ribs> the generic part is just the name xfree has given your card
[09:56] <Ribs> You can call it 'This is my gfx card' for all it matters
[09:56] <defunkt> oh ok
[09:56] <Ribs> I think there is a conflict here
[09:56] <dreamer> hmm
[09:56] <Se7h> uh?
[09:56] <dreamer> okay, xfree86config knows that I have those video modes listed, but gnome doesn't
[09:56] <dreamer> gnome/metacity
[09:57] <Ribs> You see there are comments at the top of the file? lines that start with # ?
[09:57] <Ribs> You need to put a # at the beginning of lines I tell you, this is known as 'commenting out' lines. It basically tells xfree to ignore those lines.
[09:57] <defunkt> are you talking to me ribs?
[09:57] <Ribs> yes
[09:58] <Ribs> 	Load	"GLcore"
[09:58] <Ribs> 	Load	"dri"
[09:58] <defunkt> what do you need me to do?
[09:58] <Ribs> comment those lines out
[09:58] <defunkt> ok
[09:58] <Ribs> right at the bottom, there are three lines about DRI
[09:58] <Ribs> comment those three out as well
[09:59] <Ribs> That should be it
[09:59] <defunkt> looking
[09:59] <defunkt> hold on
[09:59] <Ribs> now, restart X with 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart' -- warning, this will shut down anything you have running on your desktop, including XChat
[09:59] <Se7h> brb
[09:59] <Ribs> With any luck, that will solve your problem
[10:00] <Ribs> defunkt: oh, remember to save the file first :)
[10:00] <defunkt> just those two?
[10:00] <defunkt> two lines*?
[10:01] <Ribs> and the last three lines
[10:01] <Ribs> Section "DRI"
[10:01] <Ribs> 	Mode	0666
[10:01] <Ribs> EndSection
[10:01] <Ribs> that lot
[10:02] <defunkt> ok just those 3 then
[10:02] <Ribs> and the two before I mentioned
[10:02] <Ribs> five lines in total
[10:02] <defunkt> ok rad
[10:02] <defunkt> then i gotta log out and back in or i am set
[10:02] <Ribs> well, save it
 now, restart X with 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart' -- warning, this will shut down anything you have running on your desktop, including XChat
[10:02] <defunkt> ya
[10:03] <Ribs> it saved okay, right?
[10:03] <defunkt> yep
[10:03] <Ribs> you ran the editor as root?
[10:03] <defunkt> yep
[10:03] <Ribs> good man
[10:03] <Ribs> and good luck
[10:03] <defunkt> do i have to logout and back in?
[10:03] <Ribs> no, do what I pasted
[10:03] <Ribs> then you'll be asked to log in again
[10:04] <defunkt> ok rad ty! i will be back in a second!
[10:04] <defunkt> <3
[10:04] <Ribs> hopefully
[10:04] <Synek> ;)
[10:04] <Se7h> lol
[10:05] <Se7h> whats the x server deamon ?
[10:05] <Se7h> (to kill it
[10:05] <Ribs> Se7h: What HAVE you done?
[10:05] <Se7h> uh?
[10:05] <Se7h> stroke some keys ?
[10:05] <Se7h> ;P
[10:05] <Ribs> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart tends to restart X
[10:06] <Ribs> replace restart with stop to kill off X completely
[10:06] <Se7h> but i want to terminate it
[10:06] <Se7h> not reastart
[10:06] <Ribs> hrm, defunkt isn't back yet
[10:07] <defunkt> whew
[10:08] <Ribs> did it work?
[10:08] <defunkt> had a scare there
[10:08] <Ribs> heh
[10:08] <defunkt> yeah it worked!
[10:08] <Ribs> glxgears result?
[10:08] <defunkt> hold on lemem try it out
[10:08] <defunkt> 58802
[10:08] <defunkt> holy shit no way
[10:08] <Ribs> sorted
[10:09] <Ribs> erm
[10:09] <defunkt> ok now to get the sound working in quake!
[10:09] <Ribs> did you miss a decimal point there?
[10:09] <Ribs> that result is higher than mine
[10:09] <defunkt> yeah my bad
[10:09] <Ribs> which it shouldn't be :P
[10:09] <defunkt> 5882
[10:09] <Ribs> that's better, heh
[10:09] <Synek> hehehe
[10:09] <neoxed> can some one on windows connect to my hnome meeting?
[10:09] <Se7h> lol
[10:09] <neoxed> gnome
[10:09] <RuffianSoldier> anyone here?I love Hoary
[10:10] <Ribs> neoxed: Ask in a Windows channel :P
[10:10] <Se7h> lolol
[10:10] <neoxed> no
[10:10] <neoxed> i mean can any one
[10:10] <Se7h> well
[10:10] <Ribs> COMPLY!
[10:10] <neoxed> as in just persay
[10:10] <Se7h> what i want is to run the nvidia.run
[10:11] <Mesta> I see that universe does not receive security updates but does hoary recieve sucurity updates?
[10:11] <sirfred> Humm, Evolution is a little broken, isn't it (Hoary) ?
[10:11] <Ribs> Mesta: warty does recieve updates
[10:11] <RuffianSoldier> Hoary rocks!
[10:12] <Mesta> I mentioned hoary
[10:12] <Mesta> not warty
[10:12] <sirfred> Some icons don't show on the compose window, is that a known problem?
[10:13] <Mesta> Yes I hear it rocks, but I'm willing to try it if it recieves security updates.  Thus my question.  It can rock and recieve updates, can't it?
[10:13] <sirfred> Also, some times the spamc programs it spawns are really memory hungry.
[10:13] <lamont_r> Mesta: generally speaking, warty-security updates are being propogated into hoary.  Not sure if that's a committed activity or not, but I expect it to continue.
[10:13] <sirfred> I'm thinking about switching to thunderbird, is that a good idea?
[10:13] <defunkt> damn, now i just gotta get the sound working lol
[10:14] <dreamer> hmm
[10:14] <Se7h> Ribs
[10:14] <Se7h> 62542 frames in 5.0 seconds = 12508.400 FPS
[10:14] <Se7h> ;P
[10:17] <Synek> sirfred: why don't you try?
[10:17] <sirfred> Synek: Just too lazy to migrate all my mail.
[10:17] <sirfred> Synek: Also, evolution is more than a mail client.
[10:18] <sirfred> Synek: I like the clock integration, for example.
[10:18] <Mesta> thanks Lamont_r but I don't think it's commited 'cause I just found, "We only fix bugs in our stable releases which truly affect overall system security" <http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SecurityUpdateProcedures/view?searchterm=hoary%20security%20update>.
[10:18] <sirfred> Anyway, I've seen that there's a new evolution version on the repository, let's try with that.
[10:18] <lamont_r> Mesta: it's not committed.
[10:18] <lamont_r> but it does tend to happen
[10:18] <Synek> sirfred: fine by me ;-)
[10:19] <lamont_r> Mesta: that's only talking about released versions (==warty).  hoary is still in active development
[10:20] <jdub> good morning freedom lovers
[10:20] <lamont_r> morning jdub
[10:20] <lamont_r> is there a power strip where you are?
[10:20] <ajmitch_> hi jdub
[10:20] <jdub> this morning in #ubuntu, we'll have a LIVE SIMULCAST of the big meeting in matar
[10:20] <jdub> er
[10:20] <jdub> in #ubuntu-meeting :-)
[10:20] <jdub> i will be madly typing
[10:20] <ajmitch_> fun
[10:21] <jdub> and hopefully getting useful input from the other typists in the room ;-)
[10:21] <ajmitch_> who has the job of thrashing out what people say on the keyboard?
[10:21] <Mesta> I'm at a standstill.  You'd assume that they'd be putting in the security fixes as they go else they'd have a stable version with security issues for the next release date
[10:21] <jdub> if there is input for the meeting from the channel, i will speak
[10:21] <ajmitch_> Mesta: new packages are uploaded all the time into hoary
[10:21] <ajmitch_> security fixes included
[10:22] <ctd> jdub: What times this? :)
[10:22] <lamont_r> Mesta: it's more a function of the work load on the people doing warty-security, mixed with their guess of how fast the fix will come from sid.
[10:22] <ajmitch_> often a new version will fix the problem instead of just a security patch
[10:22] <lamont_r> since the distro team is pretty much all running hoary, we care...
[10:23] <Mesta> k I'll upgrade, and test the ppc sound issues and hopefully get better sound support for ppc
[10:23] <ajmitch_> jdub: so can we submit our wishlist for hoary & beyond? :)
[10:23] <xoxoxo> hello again. how can i get the source code of the current kernel (<IP_ADDRESS>) with apt-get?
[10:23] <Mesta> thks
[10:24] <crimsun> xoxoxo: sudo apt-get install linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS>
[10:24] <xoxoxo> crimsun, is that the kernel source with patch?
[10:24] <crimsun> xoxoxo: it's the patched version of the source used to build the kernels in ubuntu, yes
[10:24] <miqorz> <IP_ADDRESS>? 2.6.9 is safer
[10:25] <crimsun> 2.6.9 is only available compiled by ubuntu in hoary, however, miqorz. :)
[10:25] <xoxoxo> crimsun, do they store the patches separately? i want to see what patches ubuntu use for the stock kernel.
[10:25] <miqorz> crimsun: I don't use Ubuntu currently. *shrug*
[10:25] <xoxoxo> miqorz, 2.6.9 not available in the repository, afaik
[10:25] <miqorz> kernel.org
[10:25] <miqorz> ;)
[10:26] <xoxoxo> eh i am talking about the distro kernel, not stock one ;)
[10:26] <miqorz> ive been using 2.6.9-ac6 for what feels like forever
[10:27] <crimsun> (jdub must be typing furiously ;-)
[10:28] <miqorz> he's doing something furiously
[10:31] <miqorz> ahh
[10:31] <miqorz> i love Rush
[10:31] <crimsun> (got some Camel blaring in my headphones)
[10:31] <miqorz> hehe
[10:32] <miqorz> i listen to literally anything
[10:32] <miqorz> Dimmu Borgir to Michelle Branch
[10:32] <crimsun> yep
[10:32] <xoxoxo> anybody knows how to get firefox 1.0 from repo?
[10:32] <xoxoxo> i guess i must use hoary (?)
[10:32] <crimsun> xoxoxo: only officially in hoary
[10:32] <miqorz> it should be in debian unstable
[10:32] <crimsun> xoxoxo: you can just download the deb and dpkg -i if you really want it
[10:32] <crimsun> xoxoxo: though you know you don't get to complain if stuff breaks ;)
[10:33] <miqorz> Rush makes excellent gaming music
[10:33] <miqorz> :D
[10:33] <xoxoxo> in debian unstable? but people always tell me not to install from debian repo, since it may not work in ubuntu (?)
[10:33] <Synek> xoxoxo: get the source and compile it for yourself
[10:33] <ajmitch_> there's a firefox backport for warty somewhere
[10:33] <crimsun> hoary repo, xoxoxo.
[10:33] <miqorz> xoxoxo: Maybe, Maybe not.
[10:33] <miqorz> Not too sure.
[10:33] <miqorz> My friend uses debian sources without issue.
[10:34] <xoxoxo> well, but technically why .deb from debian repo would break in ubuntu???
[10:34] <miqorz> No clue.
[10:34] <crimsun> depends on the specific versions of dependencies it's compiled against
[10:34] <smo> in itself, it probably won't.  if you let it pull in dependencies, it can get messy  (I went there)
[10:34] <ajmitch_> xoxoxo: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MarkusHubig
[10:35] <miqorz> My only experiences with debian were soley with "debian"
[10:38] <miqorz> I hate waiting for crap to download
[10:38] <miqorz> *sighs*
[10:38] <xoxoxo> ok, i expect firefox 1.0 (and others) will be backported to warty soon
[10:38] <ajmitch_> xoxoxo: see link above :P
[10:39] <xoxoxo> ajmitch_, yeah thanks, i am trying to get it
[10:39] <ajmitch_> there won't be 'official' backports that I'm aware of
[10:39] <miqorz> Any non gnome/non kde users even bother with ubuntu?
[10:39] <Synek> yup
[10:39] <miqorz> Interesting.
[10:40] <Synek> migorz : i prefer fluxbox
[10:40] <smo> I've a feeling I'm about to become one of them .. watching gnome start on a p233 /w 32Mb isn't fun
[10:40] <Synek> heh, i get q for g ;)
[10:40] <Tomcat_> Can somebody go to http://studiwiki.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/ and tell me if they see a big "w3 studi"?
[10:40] <miqorz> I use Enlightenment
[10:40] <miqorz> =)
[10:40] <Synek> smo: so switch anr try
[10:40] <xoxoxo> hm... i want to get the 2.6.9 from hoary. where can i get the .deb?
[10:41] <miqorz> just compile it?
[10:41] <Synek> ?
[10:41] <Synek> :)
[10:41] <xoxoxo> miqorz, i prefer kernel with patch
[10:41] <miqorz> so patch it?
[10:41] <Synek> xoxoxo: don't completly rely on .debs
[10:41] <xoxoxo> it take time to collect patches, doesnt it?
[10:41] <miqorz> ...
[10:41] <Synek> hm
[10:41] <miqorz> Patchsets my man.
[10:41] <smo> Tomcat_: I don't see "w3" on there at all, in image nor text
[10:42] <Tomcat_> xoxoxo: There's a 2.6.9 kernel as Ubuntu package on the Power Management Testing (PMTesting) page on the Ubuntu wiki... I doubt it's for production use though.
[10:42] <Tomcat_> smo: Regular MoinMoin wiki then?
[10:42] <smo> yup
[10:42] <Tomcat_> smo: Okay, thanks... I guess they changed the IP and my DNS didn't catch up.
[10:42] <miqorz> i use alan cox's patchset aka ac sources
[10:43] <xoxoxo> Tomcat_, can you give me the url of 2.6.9?
[10:43] <Tomcat_> xoxoxo: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PMTesting
[10:43] <xoxoxo> anyway, what kind of patches ubuntu do on kernel? just for driver or smt else?
[10:44] <Tomcat_> xoxoxo: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelHowto/view?searchterm=kernel <--- This is a list of all patches and howto compile...
[10:44] <crimsun> xoxoxo: the changelogs for linux-image-`uname -r` have more info :)
[10:45] <Tomcat_> xoxoxo: Argh no... only howto there... here's the list of patches in the warty kernel: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WartyWarthogKernel/view?searchterm=kernel
[10:49] <smo> nice touch .. it's realised this is a laptop, and added battery-stat and wireless applets accordingly
[10:53] <xoxoxo> yeah kernel mostly like stock kernel, just some more patches for devices
[10:54] <dreamer> finally got it working, didn't have the correct refresh rates specified :)
[10:54] <dreamer> next question ;)
[10:55] <GoldeNArX> sup
[10:55] <dreamer> when I start up, it defaults to the networking profile that tries to use my router for dns queries .. which for some reason doesn't work. I set up a secondary configuration but it won't default to that
[10:55] <xoxoxo> apt-get install linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS> get me the tarball, and everything mixed insice. is there anyway to get the kernel source with a separate directory for patches, so i can see closely what patches in?
[10:55] <xoxoxo> s/insice/inside
[10:58] <crimsun> xoxoxo: diff -uNr against a stock <IP_ADDRESS> kernel :)
[11:05] <wood1> Hi everybody
[11:05] <jblack> aThe conference is interesting this morning.
[11:06] <wood1> Did you go there ?
[11:06] <jblack> There's a big discussion going on right now about commoditizing configuration
[11:06] <jblack> wood1: I'm there right now.
[11:07] <wood1> Wow, really
[11:07] <wood1> What's going on there ?
[11:07] <wood1> By the way, were you invited or are you one of the Ubuntu Developers ?
[11:07] <ajmitch_> wood1: see #ubuntu-meeting
[11:07] <wood1> thnaks
[11:07] <wood1> thanks
[11:08] <xoxoxo> anybody knows how can i get the list of file of a package in repo (that is not installed yet)?
[11:08] <jblack> wood1: I'm one of the developers
[11:08] <crimsun> xoxoxo: dpkg-deb -c foo.deb
[11:08] <xoxoxo> crimsun, but .deb is still in repo, not in my machine yet ?
[11:09] <xoxoxo> jblack, will there be proceedings of the meeting?
[11:09] <Tomcat_> [10:49:54]  [smo]  nice touch .. it's realised this is a laptop, and added battery-stat and wireless applets accordingly <--- Check out the cpufreq applet too! :)
[11:10] <crimsun> xoxoxo: yes.
[11:10] <jblack> xoxoxo: jdub is summarizing in #ubuntu-meeting. I'm sure that somebody is keeping a log
[11:11] <xoxoxo> crimsun, i mean i want to see the file list of package that is still in repo, not yet in my machine. is that possible?
[11:11] <smo> Tomcat_: Would it be useful on a P1?  ;o)
[11:12] <Tomcat_> smo: I think it's useful on any processor that supports multiple frequencies... :>
[11:12] <crimsun> xoxoxo: for Debian proper, yes, there is infrastructure. I do not know if Ubuntu has similar structure up and running for the equivalent of packages.debian.org
[11:13] <xoxoxo> if not, i think this is where ubuntu should improve.
[11:14] <crimsun> I'm fairly certain the infrastructure just needs to be enabled
[11:14] <xoxoxo> anyway, to see the file list in debian, i must go to the website packages.debian.org? so even in debian, i cannot see file list from my console?
[11:14] <crimsun> xoxoxo: not for what you wish to do, no
[11:14] <wood1> Hi Amaanth, are you there ?
[11:15] <crimsun> xoxoxo: presuming you want: dpkg-deb -c http://foo/bar.deb
[11:15] <crimsun> Conectiva has extended apt to handle remote locations, but afaik those changes have not been merged into Debian's apt
[11:16] <xoxoxo> crimsun, is that possible? but as an enduser, i dont care about the repo address, so that is the bad solution
[11:16] <lamont_r> postfix TLS patch from upstream (albeit non-prod, snapshot).  WOOT!
[11:17] <crimsun> xoxoxo: then I don't understand your question: aren't you asking about the contents of a _remote_ package?
[11:17] <crimsun> xoxoxo: one that resides on a remote server but isn't installed on your local system?
[11:18] <wood1> Why is it so difficult to log on to a remote Ubuntu Machine from other Ubuntu machine in X-Windows?
[11:18] <wood1> How do I do that ?
[11:18] <lamont_r> wood1: by default, ubuntu listens on no ports.
[11:18] <wood1> Doesn't Ubuntu have some kind of RDP thing ?
[11:18] <lamont_r> so, on the remote machine, apt-get install ssh-server
[11:19] <lamont_r> or openssh-server...
[11:19] <xoxoxo> crimsun, yeah the way you tell me work, but that doesnt satisfy me much. i expect smt simple like this: "dpkg-deb -r vim". suppose -r mean i will get the data from remote repo, not local.
[11:19] <lamont_r> openssh-server
[11:19] <wood1> Well I can connect using SSH
[11:19] <xoxoxo> well, i am looking for something like that
[11:19] <wood1> But I want to connect using X-Windows
[11:19] <mjr> you can run X programs via ssh by using the -X switch
[11:19] <lamont_r> xdmcp, or just splatting xterms at the remote machine?
[11:20] <lamont_r> there are issues with cleartext in most such uses...
[11:20] <crimsun> xoxoxo: hmm, I see now.
[11:20] <lamont_r> but again, you would need to tell X to listen on more than <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:20] <crimsun> xoxoxo: add it to the suggestions on the wiki
[11:20] <lamont_r> wood1: actually, you'd need to tell X to listen on a tcp socket, period.
[11:20] <xoxoxo> crimsun, i meant in idealy way, user dont care where is the repo. he just want to get the file list of certaint package
[11:20] <mjr> also, you can share a whole gnome desktop with the VNC protocol by using Vino, if you must
[11:21] <crimsun> xoxoxo: yep. One should also consider if multiple sources have the same package. (e.g., what apt-cache policy will reveal)
[11:21] <wood1> mjr, could you please elaborate a little more on that thing ?
[11:22] <wood1> How do I do that ?
[11:22] <mjr> "apt-get install vino"
[11:22] <xoxoxo> crimsun, i will fill in my wish into wiki. what is the exact url for the wishlist?
[11:22] <spacey`ki> computer > desktop preferences > remote desktop
[11:22] <spacey`ki> wood1
[11:22] <spacey`ki> allow other users to view your desktop
[11:23] <crimsun> xoxoxo: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IdeaPool
[11:24] <wood1> Remote Desktop RDP is fine for Windows XP, how do I connect to other Ubuntu machine ?
[11:24] <wood1> using Remote Desktop
[11:25] <wood1> Which protocol should I use to connect from an Ubuntu Machine to other Ubuntu Machine using Remote Desktop ???
[11:26] <mjr> as I said, "with the VNC protocol"
[11:38] <warty_girl> hi and thanks for ubuntu!!! it is so good!
[11:40] <wood1> Hmm, good to see a warty_girl in a Ubuntu chat forum
[11:40] <crimsun> wood1: Tsjoklat is, too.
[11:40] <wood1> That's surprising. Women using Linux too
[11:41] <mjr> tell that to my so ;)
[11:41] <crimsun> not at all surprising. Women, after all, use computers. :)
[11:41] <mjr> or, indeed, about half the women I happen to know ;)
[11:41] <wood1> Well most Women do care about which Operating System they use
[11:41] <warty_girl> why is surprising that a woman uses linux?
[11:42] <Simira> warty_girl: I'm working on an article about Ubuntu and women, as a result of the Ubuntu conference
[11:42] <wood1> Well in my company which has more than 1000 staffs which has more than 400 women, only the guys uses Linux.
[11:43] <wood1> Anyway, that' very good sign
[11:43] <Simira> warty_girl: you should join Debian-women if you're interested. A wiki-page will be up on Ubuntu soon.
[11:43] <warty_girl> in my company all people are using linux
[11:43] <Tsjoklat> link Simira?
[11:43] <agenteo> someone print successfully from GIMP in ubuntu? With me I can't, it prints white pages... its first line is %!PS-Adobe-3.0
[11:44] <Simira> for Debian-women? hhtp://women.alioth.debian.org
[11:44] <Tsjoklat> Treenaks mentioned that I should contact you Simira :)
[11:44] <wood1> warty_girl, Are you sure ?
[11:44] <Simira> there's not much info yet, but it's coming in time
[11:44] <warty_girl> yes i am
[11:44] <smo> I have warty up and running in a small netcafe .. I see plenty of both gender using it each day without even noticing.  (a plumber once told me, if no-one notices what you've done, you've done it right)
[11:44] <siimo> agenteo, i can but im printing to a windows SMB print server
[11:44] <crimsun> smo: precisely
[11:44] <Q-FUNK> warty_girl: which company is that?
[11:44] <Simira> Tsjoklat: are you at the conference?
[11:45] <Tsjoklat> Simira no I am not, but a few people I know were there and they mentioned that you are a girl too
[11:45] <wood1> Hum, that's a good thing
[11:45] <Tsjoklat> long story, but it boiled down too that I was looking for females
[11:45] <warty_girl> a small company dealing with tropical fish
[11:45] <Simira> Tsjoklat: sure I am. And gotten really inspired to do some work on women in linux
[11:45] <wood1> Well people in your CyberCafe must have inquired why MSN Messenger looks a bit funny
[11:46] <Tsjoklat> Simira I got pointed at to linuxchic you heard of that?
[11:46] <Simira> linuxchix, yes. I know a member there.
[11:46] <warty_girl> :))))
[11:46] <Tsjoklat> Simira I sent them hunting for females at the conference :)
[11:46] <smo> wood1: I have a small front-end for gaim written in mono, so that they're presented simply with user/pass/service  (it writes out an accounts.xml then launches gaim).  it looks different, but it's easier than trying to maintain aim/yahoo/msn on a windows machine
[11:47] <Simira> folks in Mataro, you must make sure the bof notes comes up on the wiki!  I've only been onboard this summer  (and warty's been there for the last 6 weeks)
[11:48] <wood1> Why don't you use a pirated version of windows
[11:48] <warty_girl> sending videos to companies threatening with jail for using ms/adobe sw
[11:48] <jdub> Tsjoklat: we had a great debian/ubuntu women bof yesterday
[11:48] <Tsjoklat> jdub I heard .. I wish I could have been there
[11:48] <wood1> So before, you used to use Windows
[11:48] <wood1> in your cafe
[11:48] <siimo> warty_girl, whats so illegal about using that software? unless they were pirated copies
[11:48] <jdub> Tsjoklat: should have minutes out soon
[11:49] <Potaje> wenas
[11:49] <warty_girl> siimo, it is no ilegal
[11:49] <siimo> well what would you be threatened then
[11:49] <smo> wood1: Yes, that's what was there when I got there
[11:49] <Q-FUNK> warty_girl: that's because you joined EU.  Russia still thrives on pirate copies of everything.
[11:49] <warty_girl> siimo, but bsa behaved as if you were a thief unless you proved otherwise
[11:49] <Tsjoklat> jdub I am glad that there is 'more' out there.. I never heard of debian women or linuxchix before
[11:49] <wood1> Well what made you switch from Windows in Linux for your cafe ?
[11:49] <jdub> Tsjoklat: whoa! you should join up :)
[11:49] <siimo> well you could easily prove that
[11:50] <warty_girl> Q-FUNK, it happened long before eu
[11:50] <jdub> Tsjoklat: we should have something cool for ubuntu too :)
[11:50] <Simira> jdub: yes, how did that bof go? I'm working on an article about Debian-women and Ubuntu
[11:50] <Tsjoklat> jdub I am/did!
[11:50] <jdub> Tsjoklat: :-)
[11:50] <Tsjoklat> jdub yes.. and whatever you are planning... you can count me in
[11:50] <wood1> Still, Linux has a long long way to catch up with MS-Windows
[11:50] <warty_girl> and i think it is better these days. they cannot do such thing in EU - like invade private property
[11:50] <Q-FUNK> warty_girl: did it?  How come CZ bent so quickly to the BSA goons?
[11:50] <jdub> Tsjoklat: no plans so far for ubuntu - perhaps we should start a wiki page
[11:50] <Simira> jdub: we're working on it, but thinks splitting up from d-w isn't too smart. Though we're setting up something on the wiki soon.
[11:50] <smo> wood1: they were previously outsourced (maintanance) thru a local IT firm.  the machines were frankly a mess.  about a third could actually sign-on to msn, most but not all could print, one was infected with something that was attempting to send emails twice every second.
[11:51] <jdub> Simira: sweet!
[11:51] <warty_girl> Q-FUNK, because MS and our government - very personal friends
[11:51] <smo> wood1: So I presented a slightly modified LiveCD that just behaved, and didn't require expensive bolt-on software to keep windows sane
[11:51] <Tsjoklat> jdub it might be a good idea to put on that wiki links to nix pages for women
[11:51] <wood1> warty_girl, what is the name of your government ?
[11:51] <Q-FUNK> warty_girl: ah you cz == uk.  very nice.  not.
[11:52] <Q-FUNK> s/you/so
[11:52] <wood1> smo, why didn't you use a Strong Anti-Virus and a Firewall Software for your cafe ?
[11:52] <warty_girl> wood1 - tehy call it democracy :) but if this is a democracy, i do not want it
[11:52] <wood1> Hum, UK, Tony Blair
[11:52] <Q-FUNK> democrazy.
[11:53] <Tsjoklat> I find Tony Blair rather hot
[11:53] <wood1> Well my sister and brother-in-law are also in UK
[11:53] <Tsjoklat> hahahah
[11:53] <smo> wood1: Because the problems are deeper than that on public terminals.  You want no persistant settings at all, etc.
[11:53] <wood1> Well I used to run a Cyber Cafe using Windows NT and Windows XP machines too
[11:53] <Tsjoklat> waaa what are we talking about? politics and religion don't go very well in here people
[11:54] <warty_girl> but it is really getting better in th EU
[11:54] <Q-FUNK> smo: come to think of it, a live-CD option makes absolute perfect sense for that.  good point.
[11:54] <warty_girl> for example all government pages were IE only.
[11:54] <wood1> Well I think EU is going after Microsoft because of it's money or cash
[11:54] <Tsjoklat> hey pitti :)
[11:54] <pitti> Hi Tsjoklat
[11:54] <warty_girl> now we have a law that forbids it. and my friend are actualkly now hired by government to repair that
[11:55] <Tsjoklat> mmm well I'll go kill some compiling
[11:55] <Tsjoklat> thanks for the heads up jdub
[11:55] <Q-FUNK> warty_girl: to forbid what?  the BSA's "pay first and complain later" approach?
[11:55] <wood1> smo, how is your Cafe setup now ?
[11:55] <wood1> Do you run from a central Server or are you using a peer to peer network setup ?
[11:56] <smo> wood1: Simply put, a LiveCD in each machine.  Atleast until their contract with the 3rd-party firm runs dry
[11:56] <cristiano> hi guys anyone knows how to start sound server for the SearchandRescue game???thank u!^_^
[11:56] <warty_girl> Q-FUNK to forbid IE only inaccesible web pages paid from taxes and by government
[11:56] <alexissoft> hi
[11:57] <Q-FUNK> warty_girl: oh, that's really great. FI needs that too.  this country is completely sold to M$.
[11:57] <smo> wood1: modified slightly to include java/flash/mplayer-plugin, but it makes a great public terminal.  the worst damage they can do is steal a 5-cent cdr
[11:57] <Q-FUNK> smo: ...and discover the benefits of Ubuntu at home.
[11:58] <smo> Q-FUNK: I've already handed out most of the CDs I ordered :o)
[11:58] <cristiano> noone to help me with this?!?:(((
[11:59] <Q-FUNK> smo: you might as well have a strategy of ordering a stack of Ubuntu Lice Cd and insist that whoever you've never seen before takes it home after.
[11:59] <Q-FUNK> .... live
[12:02] <wood1> smo, I got your point
[12:02] <wood1> By the way, did you have to pay for Windows before switching to Linux ?
[12:02] <will_> holy cow!
[12:02] <warty_girl> have to go, c u , bye :)
[12:02] <smo> wood1: It came with the machines
[12:03] <ajmitch_> yes, it came with my machine about 8 years ago
[12:03] <ajmitch_> I only used it for a couple of years
[12:03] <smo> Well, the company was there before I was even in this country .. buying decisions were nothing to do with me ;o)
[12:04] <Synek> huh
[12:05] <Synek> i'm on my way to introduce ubuntu into lab in my Institute
[12:05] <Synek> it's kinda hard work for librarian,  as admin is ms-neophite
[12:08] <wood1> Well what would be the "Phrase" to tell the Windows people to switch to Ubuntu Linux ?
[12:09] <Simira> I don't think there are one
[12:09] <smo> I didn't .. I rolled a LiveCD that included most the things I guessed people would need (ie, browser plugins), then just produced it whenever there was problems
[12:09] <smo> actions, not words :o)
[12:09] <Simira> the functionality is as good, but different
[12:10] <wood1> Well Linux still has about 15 years to catch up with Windows
[12:10] <Simira> ?
[12:11] <cemetric> In my opinion most "hard-core" windows companies wil not switch to Linux for one reason ... the money
[12:11] <Q-FUNK> smo: which tools did you use to roll the custom CD?
[12:11] <cemetric> Linux doesn't cost money in itself that we all know
[12:12] <wood1> Well there are costs behind the picture
[12:12] <Q-FUNK> cemetric: retraining on a completely different platform costs more than you think.
[12:12] <cemetric> but if you have to reschool all the users to be able to use linux and rebuild your home made apps to work on linux
[12:13] <cemetric> Q-FUNK: that's what I mean ... they don't just for that reason
[12:13] <wood1> For example, if all our staffs were made to switch to Linux, the company will have to get fire most of the people or pay the training course for learning Linux
[12:13] <Q-FUNK> rewriting the custom apps for a new platform is a small cost, compared to retrianing a whole company's worth.
[12:14] <cemetric> wood1: that's true yes
[12:14] <wood1> And not to mention how long it may take for them to learn Linux if at all
[12:14] <smo> Q-FUNK: annoyingly, I couldn't get the cloop modules to build, which is what morphix uses .. so I still have to boot into ubuntu's livecd each time I want to roll a module for it
[12:14] <wood1> The saying: "There is no such thing called a Free Lunch"
[12:14] <smo> (a morphix module, being what ends up in the filesystem, not a kernel module)
[12:14] <wood1> is almost true
[12:15] <cemetric> yes ... and it's not only the people at the company but also their customers offcourse ... especially if you're a service oriented company
[12:15] <Q-FUNK> from that perspective, downloading an ISO costs bandwidth.
[12:15] <agenteo> siimo: what do you specify in the printer?
[12:15] <smo> wood1: For perspective, you said you had around 1000 staff?  This is a small indy coffee shop with 4 fulltime staff & 1 schoolkid for random evenings
[12:15] <wood1> Oh, speaking of Customers base, 99.9 % of our customers are using Windows
[12:16] <agenteo> siimo: I've been suggested with the default printer and the printer model is Postscript level 2
[12:16] <smo> wood1: The kind of place where paying 40-60 USD per hour for someone to de-gunk windows does make an impact
[12:16] <cemetric> wood1: yes try convincing them to switch to linux ... good luck
[12:16] <Tomcat_> Question: When I start ScummVM, it can't detect how to produce sound because the Gnome click sound is still playing. When I start it from terminal it works perfectly. Any way to fix this without using one of the many workarounds?
[12:17] <Synek> Let's face it; most poeple use boxes to www-browsing, imessaging and writew some docs
[12:17] <lamont_r> Tomcat_: easiest way is to kill esd.. :-)
[12:17] <lamont_r> although that's not really a solution
[12:17] <Rawplayer> why should i use ubuntu and not debian?
[12:17] <Tomcat_> lamont_r: That'll disable Gnome sounds altogether, right? :P
[12:17] <arthur> i'm getting this message in bootup: "server is already active for display 0"
[12:17] <lamont_r> Tomcat_: probably
[12:18] <Tomcat_> Rawplayer: Because Ubuntu "just works", while you have to do most stuff manually in Debian.
[12:18] <lamont_r> I know that the sound mess is somethign that's getting attention for hoary
[12:18] <Tomcat_> lamont_r: Okay... if it's being recognized I can live with a workaround... I just want it addressed :P
[12:18] <Rawplayer> is there gonne be a port for sparc64?
[12:18] <lamont_r> Tomcat_: yeah
[12:19] <Tomcat_> lamont_r: Well.. thanks. I thought about it being a problem in esd... I'll try a few things. :o
[12:19] <smo> Rawplayer: personally, the biggest attraction for me is scheduled releases.  Not having to jump on unstable because I know it'll be bang-up-to-date in another 6 months
[12:19] <lamont_r> Rawplayer: I know that fabbione has been working on a sparc port, dunno if it was 32 or 64 bit off the top of my head.
[12:20] <PotajiTo> wenas
[12:20] <arthur> i'm getting this message in bootup: "server is already active for display 0". and, the he tries to restart X server on display :0 agian, but fails.. any1 couild help me?
[12:20] <Rawplayer> ok thanks
[12:21] <wood1> One of the most evident problems facing the Linux World is that they have too too much choice and people end up making no choices
[12:22] <arthur> wood1: i like the choices from free software.... Linux/FS is all about choices!
[12:22] <wood1> Why can't the Linux World use just 1 standard set of policies and implement them to work smoothly
[12:23] <smo> Because you can't keep everyone happy, all of the time?
[12:23] <wood1> Arthur, what's free can be  a blessing but could also be a curse
[12:23] <arthur> wood1: oh yeah... the standarts... Linux world really need standarts...
[12:25] <arthur> my X just works if I do an: "/etc/init.d/gdm stop" and then startx
[12:25] <Q-FUNK> there are 2 opposite goals:  1) I wanna change my desktop and favorite media player whenever _I_ want to.  2) give us ONE standard, so that we can deploy it.
[12:25] <wood1> By the way, what would happen if just for the sake of argument, Windows goes Open Source too ?
[12:25] <wood1> Just like the Red Hat guys
[12:26] <arthur> but at boot i'm getting this message ~: "server is already active for display 0"
[12:26] <wood1> Do you get the graphical login ?
[12:26] <arthur> wood1: nope
[12:26] <wood1> Which part of the booting process ?
[12:27] <arthur> wood1: i get the Nvidia screen, but after that, he tries to load gdm, and fail with that message
[12:27] <Q-FUNK> wood1: I think that where RH won is when they gave the business world ONE standardized distro.
[12:28] <Q-FUNK> wood1: however, since RH wnet the "give us all your money" way and decided that desktop ain't worth it, Ubuntu can now fill that niche. :)
[12:28] <daniels> guys, discussion of red hat off topic, yeah?
[12:28] <tuxJr_14> hi
[12:28] <tuxJr_14> i'd been wondering why ubuntu doesn't have kde
[12:29] <arthur> daniels: the discussion started about FS
[12:29] <arthur> tuxJr_14: the CD don't have KDE, but u can get this with apt
[12:30] <tuxJr_14> arthur: okie
[12:30] <Q-FUNK> daniels: discussion of how Ubuntu can benefit from other distro's withdrawal from certain market segments.
[12:30] <rm> is it possible to download ISO (CD or DVD) snapshots of whole ubuntu repository?
[12:31] <arthur> wood1: could u help me with tha
[12:31] <arthur> t?
[12:31] <wood1> arthur, can you get to the bash shell ?
[12:32] <smo> rm: You should beable to roll your own with debian-cd  (I've never tried tho), but I don't believe there's any images already there
[12:32] <rm> I see...
[12:32] <arthur> wood1: yeah, i'm at irssi now... and X just works if i go to shell, stops gdm, and do an startx manually, if i try to restaret gdm it fails too
[12:33] <rm> I plan to download debian sarge snapshot ISOs then, and try its packages in ubuntu
[12:33] <thenuke> you mean you are going to download EVERY app what apt-get is able to get ?-)
[12:34] <daniels> wood1: (my opinion is that choice is fantastic, but people shouldn't be *forced* to take them; my mum shouldn't have to decide between desktop environments, hotplug vs discover vs udevd, whtaever)
[12:34] <rm> well... whole sarge is 14 CDs
[12:34] <wood1> Auther are you at the root console now
[12:34] <rm> apps sorted by popularity
[12:34] <arthur> wood1: yeah
[12:34] <rm> I am told that it's enough to have only first 3 CDs or so
[12:35] <rm> so maybe I'll download 3...5 first images
[12:35] <wood1> can you got to /var/lock ?
[12:35] <wood1> arthur
[12:35] <arthur> wood1: i deleted .X0-lock and no worked too
[12:36] <wood1> do you have /var/lock/console ?
[12:36] <arthur> wood1: what to do on /var/lock ?
[12:36] <smo> It sounds like something's trying to launch X twice?  If it's getting as far as the nvidia logo, then atleast one X server had launched.  Why it's then trying to launch a second is bizzare
[12:37] <arthur> ls /var/lock: apache2 and lvm
[12:37] <Q-FUNK> daniels: now that you mention it, I'g getting tired of dvel changing its mind from hotplug->discover->udev wash/rince/repeat.
[12:37] <wood1> arthur, just type:   mkdir -p /var/lock/console
[12:37] <arthur> wood1: and now?
[12:38] <arthur> smo: yeah, it's exactly that
[12:38] <wood1> type:  touch /var/lock/console/YOUR_USERNAME
[12:38] <daniels> Q-FUNK: 'dvel'?
[12:39] <arthur> wood1: ok
[12:39] <Q-FUNK> devel :)
[12:39] <wood1> Now you can reboot the machine and hope that the problem will get solved
[12:40] <arthur> wood1: can u explain what i maded here?
[12:40] <daniels> Q-FUNK: er, we only had discover for the first month or so, while it was still internal; we used hotplug on the understanding that it was only a stopgap and that we'd do better for hoary, and we are, with udevd
[12:41] <Q-FUNK> daniels: udev is a real mess.  I don't like it at all.  it breaks gpm.
[12:41] <jdub> udev *rocks*
[12:42] <tuxJr_14> Q-FUNK: can elaborate: "it breaks gpm"
[12:42] <daniels> Q-FUNK: you dislike udev because gdm doesn't work with it, in some non-specific manner?
[12:42] <tuxJr_14> s/can/can you
[12:43] <Q-FUNK> daniels: if I use udev, X cannot find gpmdata
[12:43] <Tsjoklat> sjoerd needs a gf.. a dog.. a teddybear?
[12:43] <sjoerd> hehe
[12:43] <Q-FUNK> daniels: if I remove udev, X suddenly can find gpmdata.
[12:44] <arthur> wood1: ?
[12:44] <wood1> Well we just created a console for the Username
[12:45] <arthur> wood1: i'll try here....
[12:48] <Q-FUNK> daniels: so... I would hardly call that a non-specific abstract dislike.
[12:48] <tuxJr_14> one question: does the ubuntu website really need https?
[12:48] <arthur> wood1: no worked
[12:49] <arthur> wood1: but i have another info... first X loads at term 7, and one other on term 8. i get the error on the 8. i guess the nvidia logo appeared on term 7
[12:50] <arthur> smo: *this* is really bizarre!
[12:50] <smo> arthur: precisely why I'm butting out.  I can't see what'd cause that, so I'm little help
[12:50] <daniels> Q-FUNK: so you need one line to tell udev about gpmdata, or whatever.
[12:51] <arthur> chmod -x to prevent gdm from load at boot?
[12:52] <Q-FUNK> daniels: probably, yes.
[12:52] <daniels> Q-FUNK: ...
[12:52] <smo> arthur: odd question, but are there any other *dm's in /etc/init.d/  ?
[12:53] <arthur> smo: nope
[12:53] <arthur> but i get gdm and xfree86-common, this is ok, right?
[12:53] <smo> I have both, and my machine appears sane
[12:54] <arthur> chmod -x gdm, i'll restart now, and see what happens
[12:56] <koke> maybe "echo /bin/true >  /etc/X11/default-display-manager" ??
[12:59] <arthur> ok, now gdm don't loaded at boot (of course), but running: /etc/ini.d/gdm start i get the same error, so, i guesse the problem is with gdm
[01:00] <arthur> and other thig: after bootup, i get this message: /etc/init.d/rc: line 30 /etc/rc2.d/S99gdm: Permission denied
[01:01] <smo> That one's easy .. you just did -x on it, so when it tried to execute it, it's no longer allowed
[01:02] <arthur> smo: right.... but what should i do now? install another graphical login? reinstall gdm?
[01:02] <smo> When it tells you there's already a server running, can you alt+F7 to that server?  ie, is it really running?
[01:03] <arthur> smo: when go to tty7 i just get an mouse
[01:04] <arthur> maybe /etc/init.d/gdm is trying to reload X?
[01:05] <smo> beats me .. I'm just grasping at straws because it felt better than ignoring you in silence :/  I can't for the life of me figure out why gdm would try to launch X more than once
[01:07] <smo> (I've had it set to do that in the past, but it openned them on different displays without being told to.  It does it well if it does it on purpose)
[01:07] <arthur> smo: ok, thanks! i'm installing xdm now, i guess the problem will be solved for now... my parents don't know how to stop gdm, and startx to get gnome working... :)
[01:08] <arthur> i'll restart now with xdm to see if this will work
[01:12] <arthur> as expected with xdm it worked...
[01:17] <jdub> reminder, meeting simulcast in #ubuntu-meeting
[01:19] <Tsjoklat> jdub I take it that that isn't for me :P
[01:19] <jdub> it's for everyone
[01:20] <Tsjoklat> what is it about jdub?
[01:20] <Simira> Rosetta, translation tool
[01:20] <jdub> see https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MataroSessionsWorkshops
[01:20] <Tsjoklat> oh interesting
[01:20] <Tsjoklat> when is this meeting?
[01:21] <Simira> now :)
[01:21] <jdub> it's been going since this morning :)
[01:21] <jdub> see /topic too :)
[01:21] <Tsjoklat> I saw it jdub but I thought it was for Mataro ppl only
[01:21] <jdub> it's for not mataro people
[01:22] <jdub> because mataro people are right here already :)
[01:22] <Tsjoklat> ah duh then jdub :P
[01:29] <wood1> Who are the exact audience for the #ubuntu-meeting ?
[01:30] <Simira> Ubuntu-community people and Canonical-people
[01:30] <Tsjoklat> the queen of England :P
[01:30] <Tsjoklat> very interesting wood1
[01:31] <wood1> Well what do I really need to create my own customized version of Ubuntu ?
[01:32] <jaroug> hi
[01:32] <wood1> Well I guess that that meeting is for advanced developers having extensive knowledge of some programming languages
[01:33] <jaroug> somebody can say me in which package are xcompmgr and transset under ubuntu hoary ?
[01:34] <wood1> Why am I having problems in my typing box as I type my words
[01:35] <wood1> If I go back a few words and then type something, the next words gets deleted instead of shifting to the right
[01:35] <StoneChucker> have you pressed your 'insert' key by misktake?
[01:36] <Solatis> hey all :)
[01:37] <Solatis> i couldn't find a direct anwser of this on the website: it is said that Ubuntu is based on debian, does it also have a package-management compared to debian (such as apt), or is it solely based on 6-months releases ?
[01:37] <jaroug> is there a packages web search engine for ubuntu ?
[01:37] <Simira> you have apt-get and synaptic
[01:37] <Simira> synaptic is graphical and very nice
[01:38] <jaroug> Simira: i'm not on ubuntu
[01:38] <jaroug> that's why i ask this :)
[01:38] <Simira> it's an answer to Solatis as well
[01:38] <Simira> about web, I'm not sure
[01:38] <Solatis> Simira: haha thanks :)
[01:39] <jaroug> Simira: otherwise can you tell me in which package are xcompmgr and transset ?
[01:39] <Simira> jaroug: not in ubuntu myself now
[01:39] <jaroug> arg :)
[01:40] <jaroug> Solatis: are u in ubuntu ?
[01:40] <Solatis> i think i'm gonna switch from gentoo to ubuntu on my workstation for a while... i don't know, after 3 years of gentoo i feel like something new... and it's going to be a relief not having to compile all the time :)
[01:40] <Solatis> jaroug: nahhh, i'm in Gentoo right now
[01:41] <wood1> Gentoo Linux is great for learning Linux but bad for your daily work
[01:41] <jaroug> AAAAARRRRRRRGGG
[01:41] <jaroug> people on #ubuntu aren't in ubuntu
[01:41] <jaroug> i may have to serach in #freebsd
[01:42] <Solatis> wood1: mwoah i don't know, it does the trick for me... but indeed, the learning curve was awesome and you learn a lot from it
[01:42] <wood1> You spend more time maintaining your Gentoo System rather than doing your daily works
[01:42] <wood1> But what happens after you have reached the peak of that learning curve ?
[01:43] <daniels> guys, offtopic!
[01:43] <wood1> Anyway, Solatis, you probably did a good thing installing Gentoo
[01:43] <jaroug> daniels: are u in ubuntu ?
[01:44] <daniels> jaroug: yeah
[01:44] <wood1> I have always tried installing a source based Linux distro
[01:45] <wood1> Solatis, by the way, have you installed other source based Linux distro besides Gentoo ?
[01:45] <jaroug> daniels: \o/ yeah \o/ can u say me in wich package are transset and xcompmgr (i'm not in ubuntu)
[01:45] <lamont_r> wood1: still pretty off topic...
[01:45] <Solatis> wood1: yeah i've done LFS and slackware too
[01:45] <daniels> jaroug: if you're using hoary, just in 'transset' and 'xcompmgr' respectively
[01:45] <Solatis> but indeed, o/t :)
[01:45] <daniels> jaroug: but they're not in warty
[01:46] <jaroug> daniels: arf i'm in debian and hoary's source, i install xorg, but i can't find tose packages :/
[01:47] <jaroug> and add*
[01:47] <daniels> jaroug: you need to enable 'universe'
[01:47] <jaroug> ?
[01:47] <wood1> Solatis, What is the exact reason for you to desert Gentoo for Ubuntu ?
[01:48] <Solatis> wood1: what i said earlier... really, i've been working with gentoo for 3 years now, and i want to try something new
[01:48] <jaroug> daniels: what ?
[01:48] <Solatis> i really like package management, but i don't like the debian community
[01:48] <Solatis> ubuntu seems fresh and new
[01:49] <Solatis> i like to try it, i really attach a lot of value to a distro's community
[01:49] <Q-FUNK> jaroug: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[01:50] <wood1> I see Solatis
[01:50] <jaroug> okai Q-FUNK thx
[01:50] <jaroug> daniels: thx
[01:50] <wood1> Solatis, guess what, I am  trying to do the opposite
[01:51] <Solatis> wood1: :)
[01:54] <Solatis> sheesh... how i missed an installer while setting up the distro :)
[01:58] <kent> Solatis, and the one in Ubuntu is kind of good aswell. My brother is no computer-geek, but i helped him install Ubuntu over the phone. :)
[01:59] <Solatis> cool, that must mean something :)
[02:01] <Rawplayer> lol
[02:01] <Rawplayer> ye a high telephone bill
[02:01] <Rawplayer> that does it mean ;)
[02:02] <Q-FUNK> Joey has been making a lot of network installation tests recently. I really ought to try that soon.
[02:02] <Einzelganger> I have warty installed but want some hoary packages (like gtk2-easytag). I have added hoary and warty repisotories in synaptic and set "warty" to the default distribution in the settings. Now if go to a package and do force-version to the hoary-version, and click apply, I see the "latest version" of the package jump for a second to the hoary one, and then back to the warty one, and if I try to install it installs the warty version. Am
[02:02] <Einzelganger>  I doing something wrong, or is this is (known/solved ?) bug
[02:03] <Solatis> Rawplayer: huh, you here too ? :)
[02:04] <kent> Einzelganger, i dont think you should mix hoary and warty.
[02:19] <Cred> Hello. Is there a tool like The All Seeing Eye or GameSpy for Ubuntu?
[02:20] <Cred> Ah, google is my friend again.
[02:24] <ulisse> hi channel
[02:25] <Cred> Hi
[02:26] <Cred> Ok another question, I'm having trouble getting ATI to work with games. fglrxinfo tells me that all modules have been loaded, 3D apps work the way they should..
[02:26] <ulisse> I'm trying to install ubuntu warty on a new pc, wit an Abit MoBo, and I get an error:
[02:27] <ulisse> Ubuntu seems to be unable to find cdrom during install
[02:32] <FCC> can anyone help with a networking problem?
[02:33] <mjr> possibly, if you ask
[02:33] <scoon> nice
[02:33] <scoon> -ly
[02:34] <FCC> :)
[02:34] <FCC> well, i can see my puter on my wondows network,
[02:34] <FCC> but when i try to connect to my Ubuntu system, it asks for a username and password
[02:34] <FCC> any suggestions?
[02:35] <FCC> leaving it blank does no good
[02:35] <FCC> using my ubuntu sign in name does no good
[02:35] <mjr> okay, windows stuff, then I don't know much
[02:35] <Solatis> hmmm, should printing be automatically configured on ubuntu using cups, or should i do some manual things ?
[02:35] <FCC> yeah, i figured it had to do with ubuntu asking for a login name
[02:36] <scoon> FCC prolly cuz you did not add your user to the samba passwd list
[02:36] <FCC> ohhh
[02:36] <FCC> hmm
[02:36] <mjr> Solatis, you probably want to go computer / system settings / printing
[02:36] <FCC> let me check
[02:36] <scoon> FCC do a man smbpasswd
[02:36] <FCC> scoon, sorry newbie
[02:36] <mjr> but I don't know if it should do something automagic, as I don't have a printer :)
[02:36] <scoon> FCC what are you sorry for
[02:36] <scoon> FCC did you KILL someone
[02:37] <scoon> ? ? ?
[02:37] <FCC> not understanding what you meant by doing a man smbpasswd
[02:37] <scoon> open up a terminal
[02:37] <FCC> ok, there
[02:37] <scoon> and type man smbpasswd
[02:37] <FCC> ok
[02:37] <scoon> man is the command for manpages
[02:37] <scoon> which is short for manual
[02:37] <scoon> yes read
[02:37] <scoon> the best/worst part about linux
[02:37] <scoon> so to get more used to it
[02:37] <FCC> ok, i see it now
[02:38] <scoon> readover man man
[02:38] <FCC> gotcha!
[02:46] <ulisse> Ubuntu seems to be unable to find cdrom during install, someone can help me?
[02:48] <jordi> ulisse: what kind of motherboard?
[02:48] <ulisse> jordi, Abit Guru
[02:49] <FCC> sudo nano -w /etc/samba/smb.conf
[02:49] <ulisse> jordi, Guru with an "m" in front, like the symbol for "micro"
[02:49] <FCC> edited for file sharing
[02:49] <FCC> smbpasswd
[02:49] <jordi> hmm, do you know what IDE hw it has, what module is it loading?
[02:49] <FCC> added my username to the list
[02:49] <FCC> and i'm all set!
[02:49] <FCC> thanks guys!
[02:50] <StevenR> quick question, if i remove gnome from ubuntu, how much of it will fail to work (admin tools, etc)? How difficult is it to replace kdm as login manager, and kde as default desktop?
[02:50] <ulisse> jordi, I tried the modules suggested by ubuntu in the manual config, but with no results
[02:50] <ulisse> jordi, wait a minute, I'll retry and tell you the message
[02:52] <jordi> ulisse: sorry, gotta go, my battery is about to die any minute.
[02:52] <ulisse> jordi, it says that are missing ide-mod and ide-probe-mod
[02:52] <jordi> ulisse: I dont know if this is fixed in Warty; try to boot, switch to console 2 and "modprobe ide-generic" before doing anything else.
[02:53] <ulisse> ok, thank you
[02:53] <Kamion> StevenR: we have some people working on a KDE variant of Ubuntu at the moment
[02:53] <StevenR> Kamion: cool :D
[02:53] <jordi> ulisse: maybe Kamion can tell you if the sata driver capturing normal ide controllers was fixed in warty, I have to pwoerdown.
[02:53] <StevenR> Kamion: but that doesn't answer my question
[02:53] <Kamion> StevenR: I don't know how easy it is; most of the desktop-level admin tools are GNOME, so you'd have to replace them
[02:54] <ulisse> jordi, thank you very much
[02:54] <StevenR> ahh ok
[02:54] <Kamion> ulisse: I have no idea on that I'm afraid
[02:54] <Kamion> StevenR: we'll be more likely to be able to answer that question in a month or two
[02:55] <StevenR> ok, thanks Kamion
[02:55] <ulisse> Kamion, I think the MoBo is too young... maybe i'll install hoary on April...
[03:21] <Solatis> hmmm, is NFS available by default in ubuntu?
[03:23] <Solatis> ah, installing nfs-common did the trick :)
[03:23] <Pacchio> how can install eciadsl for ubuntu?
[03:24] <Pacchio> :\
[03:25] <Pacchio> ?
[03:28] <Pacchio> nobody?
[03:29] <hearsay> Pacchio: apt-get install eciadsl (?)
[03:30] <Pacchio> but without eciadsl where i get?
[03:30] <hearsay> Pacchio: ?
[03:31] <Pacchio> apt-get download from internet or not
[03:31] <llun_ved> hello guys
[03:32] <hearsay> Pacchio: you don't have a /etc/apt/sources.list do you?
[03:33] <hearsay> Pacchio: type the following: "apt-get install eciadsl  -s"
[03:34] <hearsay> Pacchio: the -s is for testing, nothing is really installed, try it
[03:34] <llun_ved> i have a question regarding USB and ZIP drive. The prototype system I installed it onto will not see these devices. I am have been using Linux (redmond free) since Oct 2003 and know how to add devices to fstab. But these alterations did not work. Any suggestions?
[03:35] <erich> daniels: Hi, thanks for your strace. I somehow managed to strace my xserver. But it didn't improve my boot time much - the lastest graph (45 seconds) uses this information. still my original boot time of 30 seconds was a lot better.
[03:36] <kent> hearsay, Pacchio,  eciadsl is in universe. If you dont have a working modem then you cant get it, and since eciadsl is supposed to make the modem work, its a big problem :(
[03:36] <daniels> erich: typically works much better on starting a new server (i.e. sudo strace -e file -o foo Xorg :1, from within an existing session)
[03:36] <daniels> whatever you do, don't gdb it from the same machine; you catch a signal, gdb halts the x server, so you can't switch away to gdb to continue it
[03:37] <daniels> readahead is a very fickle beast
[03:37] <daniels> if you run it after the apps that need the stuff read ahead are run, you lose, obviously
[03:37] <daniels> and if you're doing it *while* you're doing other disk-slamming io, you've already lost
[03:38] <hearsay> kent: how would you chat without net access?
[03:38] <daniels> (you'll note on our charts that we run it in parallel with hotplug -- on thom's machine, which actually runs it, unlike scott's -- so we get hotplug slamming other resources and sleeping, while readahead slams the disk, uncontended)
[03:38] <erich> daniels: yes, that was what i did, run gdm with an xvnc, and startx.
[03:39] <erich> daniels: my init is highly parallelized, that probably is why it actually gets worse with readahead
[03:41] <kent> hearsay, i dont use eciadsl, but my brother once had to use it. And he had that problem, since ubuntu dont ship ecidadsl, which he needed to get the net working. He got tired of his modem and bought a real ethernet-modem instead. It seems like a bad idea not to have eciadsl in main, since some people need it to get universe.
[03:41] <daniels> erich: cups seems to be quite horrific
[03:42] <erich> yeah, i was considering delaying startup of cups, mysql and apache to get my login screen faster.
[03:42] <erich> but my init doesn't really have a concept of delaying things right now... i could of course just insert a "sleep" at the right place.
[03:43] <llun_ved> hmm ... i guess i don't know the secret salute
[03:44] <pb2371> hi guys, this might be just a general linux question or maybe with ubuntu it works different. How do I change runlevel? In other words, how do I make sure I can start the system and it will stay in single user mode?
[03:44] <BlacKnight|> hey, could someone try to dcc me a file please?
[03:44] <pb2371> this is something I would like to do in order to perform some maintenance
[03:45] <kent> pb2371, /etc/inittab
[03:45] <pb2371> kent: I know that but what else?
[03:45] <BlacKnight|> any file
[03:45] <Solatis> hmmmm
[03:45] <BlacKnight|> i need to test whether bitchx and firewall work
[03:45] <pb2371> just edit id:5 to id:1?
[03:45] <Solatis> how come i get this message when trying to do any root-related setup:
[03:46] <Solatis> ``Failed to rund gdmsetup as user root: Child terminated with 1 status"
[03:46] <Solatis> and when i run it directly as root:
[03:46] <Solatis> root@solatis3:~ # gdmsetup
[03:46] <Solatis> (gdmsetup:22602): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[03:46] <kent> pb2371  change tho id:1 yes.
[03:46] <Solatis> root@solatis3:~ #
[03:46] <pb2371> BlacKnight|: ok go on
[03:46] <pb2371> kenthanks I'll try
[03:47] <pb2371> kent: thanks I'll try
[03:47] <BlacKnight|> go on?
[03:47] <pb2371> BlacKnight|: do you want to send or receive?
[03:47] <BlacKnight|> receive
[03:48] <pb2371> I am willing to do but don't know how with chatzilla
[03:48] <pb2371> 8)
[03:48] <BlacKnight|> ok
[03:48] <erich> daniels: is there a way to order files by the sequence they are stored on the disc, or maybe a kernel interface to monitor file accesses?
[03:48] <kent> BlacKnight|, i can send if you want to.
[03:49] <pb2371> kent: you may as well tell me how to do that?
[03:49] <BlacKnight|> yes please
[03:49] <kent> pb2371, im using x-chat. Its just a matter of clickong on a user and choosing "send file" :)
[03:50] <kent> BlacKnight|, seems to work :)
[03:50] <BlacKnight|> wierd
[03:50] <kent> BlacKnight|, btw, its a cool sound to use as default in gaim :)
[03:50] <daniels> erich: the ideal case is xfs, where you have an online repacker, so you can tell the kernel to make a certain group of files contiguous on-disk
[03:50] <BlacKnight|> why dosesnt xdcc work when i try to d/l from xdcc channels?
[03:50] <BlacKnight|> is there a diff b/w xdcc and dcc?
[03:52] <BlacKnight|> anyway i'm going tgo sleep
[03:52] <BlacKnight|> night
[03:52] <erich> daniels: that would be a reason to switch to xfs. ;-)
[03:52] <kent> BlacKnight| godnight
[03:52] <daniels> erich: aye
[03:54] <xukun> what do I need to change to get those smal nice fonts during ubuntu boot messages?
[03:55] <punkrockguy318> hey i'm thinking about switching to ubuntu but i have some questions
[03:55] <punkrockguy318> does ubuntu add menu icons on application installation?
[03:55] <magnuscanis> sometimes
[03:55] <punkrockguy318> why not all the time?
[03:55] <magnuscanis> ? - still, it's easy enough to add your own
[03:55] <punkrockguy318> okay
[03:56] <punkrockguy318> and did ubuntu come up with a cd burning solution besides nautilus?
[03:56] <magnuscanis> not sure, haven't explored that side of things yet but I'm fairly sure there are alternatives available
[03:56] <punkrockguy318> okay
[03:56] <punkrockguy318> is gnucash available? or some other money management system?
[03:56] <magnuscanis> I've only been using Ubuntu for just over a week myself, btw.
[03:57] <punkrockguy318> oh
[03:57] <mjr> gnucash is available in universe
[03:57] <punkrockguy318> okay
[03:57] <punkrockguy318> do you find the universe packages stable?
[03:57] <magnuscanis> I've not had any problems with them yet :)
[03:57] <mjr> yes
[03:57] <Solatis> .. anyone has any idea why all root-administrative programs don't work on my system ? I really didn't do anything special with it yet, didn't mess with any permissions or so
[03:57] <punkrockguy318> hmm
[03:57] <Solatis> root@solatis3:~ # gdmsetup
[03:57] <Solatis> (gdmsetup:4039): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[03:57] <Solatis> root@solatis3:~ #
[03:58] <Pacchio> hearsay, now i'm at work
[03:58] <mjr> did you do a su - ?
[03:58] <magnuscanis> Solatis, are you using sudo?
[03:58] <Solatis> no i am not using sudo at the moment, but when i use sudo it does it too; it doesn't load it from the menu either
[03:58] <Pacchio> i've downloaded eciadsl.....deb
[03:59] <punkrockguy318> hmm i might give ubuntu a try
[03:59] <Pacchio> and dpkg -i .....
[03:59] <magnuscanis> I can understand it not working without sudo :) but I'm mystified otherwise
[03:59] <punkrockguy318> arch is nice... but there really isn't enough developers
[03:59] <magnuscanis> punkrockguy318, Ubuntu is certainly worth a look
[03:59] <magnuscanis> It's my favourite distro so far (admittedly not looked at v. many)
[03:59] <punkrockguy318> magnuscanis, i installed it on my buddy's pc and it seemed nice
[04:00] <punkrockguy318> my mother wants to use linux... and arch wouldn't be for her
[04:00] <punkrockguy318> it's not reliable enough
[04:00] <Solatis> what's the default password for sudo ?
[04:00] <Solatis> it's not the same as for su - :)
[04:00] <magnuscanis> Solatis, it should be your own user password that you set up on first install
[04:00] <Solatis> which kind of... ehrm... looks strange :)
[04:00] <Solatis> ahhh ok
[04:00] <punkrockguy318> Debian unstable was just too confusing... even for a linux expert
[04:00] <Solatis> ahhh crap that explains all those admin tools not working
[04:01] <Solatis> i was using the root password :)
[04:01] <magnuscanis> I'm surprised there is one, unless you set it specifically
[04:01] <Solatis> i set it, i personally don't like sudo...
[04:01] <punkrockguy318> how do you compare ubuntu to fedoracore3?
[04:01] <Solatis> as in, i don't like having to type sudo in front of every command
[04:02] <hearsay> Pacchio: everything allright now?
[04:02] <Pacchio> now i'm at work tonight try at home
[04:02] <Solatis> besides, i want to maintain my linux systems generic - in all the other systems i su -, it would be 'weird' to do su -s -H (or what was it) on the ubuntu workstation :)
[04:02] <magnuscanis> Solatis, I'm getting used to sudo although I still prefer su for some stuff (e.g. if I want to run several root commands together)
[04:03] <Pacchio> where is the conf for eciadsl?
[04:03] <Solatis> yeah exactly, and when i'm setting up my system like right now, i really want that a lot :)
[04:03] <magnuscanis> I have set up a root password so that I have both options available but I use sudo most of the time
[04:03] <mike998> I find that sudo su is useful if I am going to be doing a fair bit of admin on my system
[04:04] <reformed> sudo bash for me
[04:04] <Pacchio> is there an how to for ubuntu and eciadsl???
[04:04] <thenuke> what is eciadsl :I
[04:04] <Pacchio> modem adsl drivers
[04:04] <Pacchio> usb
[04:05] <magnuscanis> I hadn't thought of doing sudo su :-/
[04:05] <magnuscanis> or sudo bash
[04:05] <Pacchio> :\
[04:07] <pb2371> BlacKnight|: do you mind a quick send "test"
[04:09] <Cred> If installing new versions with dpkg should old version be removed first? I'm trying to update ATI drivers.
[04:09] <wezzer> hello all
[04:09] <magnuscanis> hi
[04:09] <wezzer> how do you do?
[04:10] <kent> Cred, if you update with synaptic or apt then it should be upgraded automatic.
[04:11] <magnuscanis> wezzer, I'm fine thanks.  And you?
[04:11] <wezzer> fine :)
[04:11] <wezzer> just came from a flight
[04:11] <Cred> kent, this I'm going to do manually. Downloaded an package from (apparently) daniels homepage (fglrtx).
[04:13] <kent> Cred, i just read the man-page for dpkg, and although im not sure, it  seems like dpkg will remove the old and upgrade to the new.
[04:14] <Nivlem> ogra: You up and about?
[04:15] <Cred> kent, I was unsure about that too. It's lacking command "upgrade" so I guess it's safe to just install "over" the old.. Well, I'll try.
[04:15] <Nivlem> Can anyone explain how it would be possible that mac-fdisk shows /dev/sdb and the partition map when this device isn't plugged in and hasn't been since before reboot this morning?
[04:16] <kent> Cred, try it and see how it goes. Just do a "dpkg -l" and see if you find two versions there :)
[04:17] <Cred> kent, nope. Only one, seems to be working. I need to .. reboot (since it's fglrx) to see if it really works..
[04:19] <kent> Cred, press "ctrl+alt+backspace". You dont need to reboot to restart X (and the drivers for it).  Perhaps logout first.
[04:21] <llun_ved> Hehe. It took me months to get out of the "Reboot" mentality after any system change.
[04:21] <Synek> eheh
[04:21] <llun_ved> Then I learned life was actually plesant.
[04:22] <kent> its not realy the worlds most worst thing to reboot,  but its some times realy not needed.
[04:24] <llun_ved> kent: I have a 120 clients and three servers. Only one is a Linux box in a closed MS shop. I really despize "reboots"
[04:24] <Nivlem> Where would ubuntu be getting bad information about devices attached to it via firewire? hotplug, or udev
[04:25] <Marceldebian> Hi. Where do you find the changelogs for Hoary packages ? Thanks
[04:25] <Potaje> wenas
[04:25] <Solatis> http://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/ubuntu.png
[04:25] <Solatis> anyone knows where to get this wallpaper ?
[04:26] <kent> llun_ved, my biggest problem is when i have azureus or something like that running a download of, like say..a good movie (The young once!). Those times i realy hate it when i need to reboot.
[04:28] <llun_ved> heh
[04:29] <Cred> kent, I've got problems ;)
[04:30] <llun_ved> It is almost sheer joy to come home to my Linux box. I currently drive Slackware with Dropline GNOME. I am seriously looking at Ubuntu. My only issues have been wiith an internal Zip drive and a USB Flashdrive.
[04:32] <llun_ved> I believe the design behind Ubuntu is on the right track for professional-level Linux.
[04:32] <Nivlem> llun_ved: Well all I can say is that Ubuntu picked up all 3 of my firewire devices that are connected externally through a hub..worked great..don't think you will have any problems...
[04:32] <kent> Cred, the driver is not working?
[04:33] <Cred> kent, [fglrx:firegl_unlock]  *ERROR* Process 5148 using kernel context 0
[04:33] <Cred> I guess the driver would work but something is mixed up..
[04:33] <wezzer> hey, does ubuntu's kernel work with ati drivers ok?
[04:33] <Cred> Sure
[04:33] <kent> Cred, perhaps try to reboot? it might be that it uses a kernel module that needs to be reloaded?  Im not an expert ;)
[04:34] <Cred> kent, I tried rebooting. Two times already..
[04:34] <llun_ved> I am impressed that Ubuntu doesn't have massive over bloat. Albeit it was my first "Debian" install.
[04:35] <llun_ved> The decompression of files took me by surprise.
[04:35] <cuser> hello everyone
[04:35] <Gwildor> hi
[04:35] <llun_ved> hello
[04:35] <kent> Cred, revert to the old drivers, perhaps?
[04:35] <cuser> I just got a copy of the software and I am yet to try it
[04:36] <Gwildor> what are you waiting for?
[04:36] <cuser> can anyone tell me what kind of packages it supports
[04:36] <Marceldebian> No one knows where I can access the changelog for a particular ubuntu package ?
[04:36] <Gwildor> cuser, .deb
[04:36] <cuser> I tried the live cd and really I am impressed
[04:37] <cuser> is it very good for networking and development
[04:37] <cuser> thanks Gwildor
[04:37] <Gwildor> idk.....one computer....dont develop
[04:37] <Gwildor> np :)
[04:38] <cuser> so assuming I want to develope on it where do i get necessary packages to install
[04:38] <Gwildor> cuser, synaptic......apt-get
[04:38] <originalbrownste> does anyone know if BT still use usb cable modems please?
[04:39] <cuser> pls Gwildor dont get what is synaptics
[04:39] <Brennos> just wondering is the ppc64 platform supported under Ubuntu?
[04:39] <Gwildor> cuser, GUI for apt-get
[04:39] <Gwildor> Brennos, yup
[04:39] <cuser> ok
[04:39] <Gwildor> Brennos, sorry.....there is ppc...so i think so
[04:39] <cuser> thanks
[04:40] <Gwildor> g5's are 64 bit.......it should go
[04:40] <Brennos> sure?
[04:40] <Gwildor> g4'2 are too...arent they
[04:40] <Brennos> g4's are 32bit
[04:41] <Cred> kent, kent now it works.
[04:41] <Cred> kent, I didn't update linux-restricted
[04:42] <Gwildor> Brennos, g4 is 64
[04:42] <originalbrownste> Ive got a mate who is about to try ubuntu (i already use it) but thought I would check out if it can detect and install drivers for usb modems so anyone using one please?
[04:42] <llun_ved> oh good lord. doesn't this moron know i check my system logs. brb. got to drop someone.
[04:42] <Gwildor> Brennos, look here     http://www.apple-history.com/noframes/body.php?page=gallery&model=g4_quicksilver
[04:43] <Gwildor> Data Path: 64 bit
[04:43] <jdub> good morning freedom lovers
[04:43] <miausX> hi!!
[04:45] <Rotund> hello
[04:46] <Rotund> anyone know if hoary's new kernel includes inotify support?
[04:46] <Cred> Too bad BF1942 still crashes :(
[04:46] <miausX> no idea Rotund
[04:46] <kent> Gwildor, usb-modems are a hell for all linux distributions.  You will have to use the  eciadsl-driver, and its realy hard.  (If you meen usb-modems, like non-ethernet modems.)
[04:47] <kent> Ohmer, that should have been to originalbrownste and not Gwildor :(
[04:47] <Gwildor> tis ok :)
[04:48] <miausX> hum... I'm trying to run bootlogd, I have enabled it in /etc/default/bootlogd, but I see that Ubuntu uses a "new console device" (major 5, minor 1). In the man page, section bugs, the author sais that I need to append a line to the kernel boot options, console=<something>
[04:48] <kent> haha,  and i wrote the last message to ohmer, which i didn't meen to. haha, im tired :)
[04:49] <originalbrownste> kent, thanks, I remember in the past seeing posts about it being difficult and wondered if it had become any easier, I guess his best bet then is to get a compatible adsl router
[04:49] <originalbrownste> kent, he's never used linux before and i want it to work for him
[04:49] <kent> originalbrownste, or getting an ethernet-modem. I think the companys doing the usb-modems dont release specs and stuff, so making drivers is hard :(
[04:50] <miausX> any idea about what should I put in console=? please, excuse my bad english ;)
[04:51] <originalbrownste> kent, yes with a standard ethernet connecter
[04:51] <kent> originalbrownste, that sounds as if it will work. After the internet is working, using ubuntu is very easy :)
[04:51] <Rotund> miausX: it goes in your grub.conf
[04:51] <Rotund> It should be under boot I believe
[04:52] <miausX> Rotund, humm... yes, I know, I put that on /boot/grub/menu.lst, but I don't know what to put in console=
[04:52] <Rotund> sorry, they haven't updated yet.  it's in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:52] <miausX> hehehe, yes :)
[04:52] <Rotund> oh =)
[04:52] <Rotund> I don't know that part.  I thought it had said
[04:53] <originalbrownste> kent, yep it sure is, I was amazed how it detected everything on my computer correctly - particularly my internal usb 7in1 card reader - it just worked!!!
[04:53] <originalbrownste> kent, Im not used to such luxuries :)
[04:53] <miausX> Rotund, I'll try console=/dev/tty1 (and pray) ;D
[04:54] <Rotund> there ya go
[04:56] <kent> originalbrownste, i dont have much devices, but those i have work well :)
[04:56] <originalbrownste> kent, what did you use before ubuntu?
[04:57] <kent> originalbrownste, Fedora Core. it workes good aswell, but i like ubuntu better.
[04:59] <originalbrownste> kent, ah Fedora Core, I nearly gave that another go, I hadn't tried it since they'd introduced 'yum' package management, before that at least rpm systems where hell.  I always loved Debian so when I heard about Ubuntu I had to try it and now I'm sold on it!
[05:01] <kent> originalbrownste, my only problems is that it boots very slow, :(
[05:01] <Hikaru79> Hey, can anyone think of a Linux distribution who's LiveCD comes with Sun's Java compiler? (And preferrably some sort of IDE, but not neccesarily)?
[05:01] <scoon> Hikaru79, no
[05:01] <Hikaru79> =( None?
[05:01] <scoon> Hikaru79, good luck getting one with that as well
[05:02] <kent> Hikaru79, dont sun have a live cd now?  it might come with suns java  ;)
[05:02] <scoon> Hikaru79, maybe you would find one w/ one of the free java's
[05:02] <Hikaru79> =O Sun have a LiveCD? For Solaris, you mean?
[05:04] <jdong> anyone alive in here?
[05:04] <originalbrownste> im hangin on!
[05:05] <kent> Hikaru79, http://lists.samba.org/archive/linux/2004-January/009336.html    i have not found the livecd (just did a quick search now) but that page mentions it..
[05:05] <originalbrownste> im recovering from my company xmas do - ive been ill for the last 12 hours :(
[05:06] <foo_>  hi all, someone could tell me how to set up a dialup connecton with beatrix?
[05:07] <Hikaru79> foo_, try #beatrix
[05:08] <Gwildor> foo_, getting the run around??
[05:08] <Gwildor> foo_, no help in knoppic?
[05:09] <Gwildor> knoppix?
[05:09] <Gwildor> originalbrownste, it is a knoppix/ubuntu based live cd with gnome2.8
[05:10] <originalbrownste> Gwildor, ah
[05:10] <Gwildor> originalbrownste, thats is beatrix, the cat is the logo, and also shares the name
[05:10] <originalbrownste> hehe
[05:10] <Hikaru79|Breakfa> Thanks, kent :)
[05:10] <Hikaru79|Breakfa> At least I know what to look for now
[05:11] <Gwildor> there is another cat oscar........the server for beatrix is oskartix
[05:11] <originalbrownste> your kidding me right?
[05:11] <Hikaru79|Breakfa> no, originalbrownste, he's serious :P But oskartix hasn't been released yet
[05:12] <originalbrownste> ah, vapour ware, :)
[05:12] <Gwildor> originalbrownste, the plan is to have workstations with flash drives, with no free space, and save all of your work on the server
[05:13] <Gwildor> originalbrownste, would b for like an office
[05:13] <Gwildor> but bea is usable at home as well..............not default like that
[05:14] <Gwildor> originalbrownste, http://watsky.net/
[05:14] <Gwildor> originalbrownste, http://www.watsky.net/next.html
[05:16] <originalbrownste> Gwildor, just reading the 'what is it' page, very interesting
[05:16] <Gwildor> yeah
[05:17] <Gwildor> originalbrownste, hmmm, the "what it is" lik sends me to downloads?
[05:18] <originalbrownste> Gwildor, http://www.watsky.net/whatisit.html
[05:18] <originalbrownste> Gwildor, its working for Me?
[05:19] <nixman> anyone knows where the kernel-source package (<IP_ADDRESS>) is for the kernel that came with ubuntu (hoary) ? apt does not see any kernel-source-2.6.8.*
[05:19] <jdub> nixman: apt-cache search linux-source
[05:19] <llun_ved> I was just reading an e-mail and it triggered a question. Is there a way to put Ubuntu on a USB falshdrive
[05:20] <llun_ved> flashdrive
[05:20] <StyXman> wow, so much people
[05:20] <StyXman> hi all
[05:20] <StyXman> simple quetion:
[05:20] <originalbrownste> hi
[05:21] <wood1> Hi to all
[05:21] <StyXman> is it sane to mix debian/unstable with haory?
[05:21] <nixman> jdub, thanks
[05:21] <Pacchio> anyone use adsl usb modem with ubuntu?
[05:21] <StyXman> er, hoary?
[05:21] <wood1> By the way guys, how many of you have already received the free Ubuntu CDs ?
[05:21] <kent> StyXman, i would not do it.
[05:21] <StyXman> kent: aha?
[05:21] <gangalino> how do you check the version of debian Warty Warthog is?
[05:22] <StyXman> wood1: I know people in .ar and .uy who already received the cd's
[05:22] <Pacchio> with fedora core 3 i have no problem for modem adsl usb
[05:22] <Gwildor> llun_ved, beatrix is working on it.....will be done soon...just working ouyt the bugs
[05:22] <jdub> gabe: cat /etc/lsb-release
[05:22] <kent> StyXman, well, ubuntu unstable have bleeding-edge packages, so why mix the two?
[05:22] <Pacchio> but ubuntu i want try it :)
[05:22] <StyXman> kent: hmm
[05:23] <Bobalamer> hello
[05:23] <StyXman> kent: I think hoary as bleeding edge, and unstable as leading edge (i.e., just a little behind)
[05:23] <wood1> Amaranth, are you there ?
[05:23] <StyXman> but afaik unstable has more soft, is it so?
[05:23] <Pacchio> is there an italian here?
[05:24] <kent> StyXman, well, with ubuntu unstable i mean hoary, and mixing them seems like a bad idea, since i cant see what the other have that the other one dont. ?
[05:24] <StyXman> Pacchio: what modem? I've had problems with the amigo
[05:24] <Pacchio> ericsson hm120dp
[05:24] <wood1> Well 50% of Internal modems don't work in Linux
[05:24] <StyXman> kent: you said ubuntu unstable?
[05:24] <Pacchio> external is
[05:24] <wood1> But 95% external modem's work well in Linux
[05:24] <llun_ved> Gwildor, ty. I am new to Ubuntu. So I am not aware of who is working on what. From what I have seen and played with, I like what the Ubuntu development team are doing with this Linux.
[05:25] <Pacchio> how install it?
[05:25] <kent> StyXman, i ment ubuntu hoary :)  Horary=unstable, sort of.
[05:25] <wood1> Install what ?
[05:25] <Gwildor> llun_ved, that was from #beatrix......it is a ubuntu/knoppix based live cd with gnome 2.8
[05:25] <wood1> Pacchio
[05:25] <Bobalamer> what are the progam in ubuntu to setup the Xconf ?
[05:25] <Pacchio> driver modem
[05:25] <tim1> has anybody here some experience with beagle ?
[05:25] <wood1> Are you in your bash terminal ?
[05:25] <StyXman> er, maybe hoary>=unstable? in package versions...
[05:26] <Pacchio> nope now i'm at work
[05:26] <Gwildor> llun_ved, the dev hands in the room alot....name is oskar...something
[05:26] <StyXman> and also, hoary has xorg :)
[05:26] <gangalino> how do you find the debian version of warty?
[05:26] <Pacchio> but i'll find u
[05:26] <llun_ved> ah
[05:26] <wood1> So your home PC has Ubuntu installed
[05:26] <wood1> and you probably dual boot that with Windows
[05:26] <StyXman> gangalino: simple, is not debian
[05:26] <Pacchio> yes at home
[05:26] <kent> StyXman, dont get my wrong ubuntu hoary and debian unstable is not the same. I just ment that ubuntu hoary could be regarded as ubuntu unstable right now.
[05:27] <wood1> Well when you go back home, open the GNOME bash terminal
[05:27] <StyXman> ah
[05:27] <Gwildor> llun_ved, watsky.net if you want to read more
[05:27] <StyXman> kent: ok, let me see if i have the facts right
[05:27] <Pacchio> wood1 ok and after
[05:27] <wood1> Pacchio and login as root
[05:27] <wood1> or Just do:  sudo -s
[05:27] <Pacchio> dpkg -i eciadsl....?
[05:27] <wood1> After that
[05:28] <wood1> at the terminal $ type:    pppconfig
[05:28] <StyXman> does hoary have the same # of packages than unstable? unstable has ~16k now...
[05:28] <wezzer> hey, what kind of internet radios does gnome's music play? I didn't get .m3u station to work...
[05:28] <kent> StyXman, dont know that. But do you realy need all of them? I think not.
[05:28] <StyXman> wood1: won't it be pppoeconf?
[05:28] <Pacchio> but i must install eciadsl?
[05:29] <gangalino> ubuntu is debian-based, right? I ask because I want to install a late version of aim
[05:29] <wood1> Are you using a Dial-Up modem or ISDN modem ?
[05:29] <Pacchio> at home adsl modem
[05:29] <StyXman> kent: well, not *all*, but I use debian becuase its soft availability
[05:29] <Pacchio> usb
[05:29] <wood1> Are you using the PPPoE protocol ?
[05:29] <StyXman> gangalino: switch to hoary then
[05:29] <Pacchio> wood1, i think yes
[05:30] <gangalino> how about just answering my original question, which would simply let me install 1 package instead of upgrading the whole OS
[05:30] <StyXman> gangalino: well, I mixed a little debian and ubuntu, but hasn't tested it very much
[05:30] <jdong> unfortunately lots of time, you can't do that
[05:30] <StyXman> it *seems* to work
[05:31] <jdong> especially as warty diverges from sid and hoary
[05:31] <gangalino> I just remembered- uname -r
[05:31] <Pacchio> when i install the package eciadsl.deb i don't find the eciadsl-conf.tk
[05:31] <gangalino> much simpler
[05:31] <StyXman> gangalino: that gives you kernel version
[05:31] <noda> daniels: ping
[05:32] <StyXman> I have debian unstable, but uname -r gives me 2.4.19-via8237
[05:32] <gangalino> how do the ubuntu kernel versions match up against debian kernels?
[05:32] <noda> daniels: bug #1503 has been marked a duplicate of #1258 (which was solved), but I still experience #1503.
[05:32] <noda> gangalino: They have more features!
[05:33] <StyXman> noda: that's interesting
[05:33] <Treenaks> tim1: get 2.6.9
[05:33] <Treenaks> tim1: :)
[05:33] <Pacchio> :\
[05:33] <Pacchio> wood1, ...
[05:33] <tim1> tim@ubuntu ~ $ uname -r
[05:33] <tim1> 2.6.9-1-686-smp
[05:33] <tim1> :)
[05:33] <noda> mmm, smp...
[05:33] <UrkeMMI> hi
[05:34] <gangalino> this is what I'm asking about- http://www.aim.com/get_aim/linux/latest_linux.adp?aolp=#features which 1 should I try to install?
[05:34] <UrkeMMI> how I can change time of files in ubuntu?
[05:34] <originalbrownste> cya all
[05:34] <GotD0t> gangalino: that version will probably have adds and be annoying, just use gaim
[05:35] <noda> gangalino: Why not use gaim? It's installed by default
[05:35] <gangalino> I want to get file transfers and put up my buddy icon- real high-level stuff ya know
[05:35] <noda> gangalino: Gaim does that
[05:36] <gangalino> how do I configure my own buddy icon?
[05:36] <StyXman> gangalino: take it as if it were a debian 3.0+
[05:36] <noda> gangalino: Edit your account
[05:36] <daniels> noda: what sort of laptop do you have?
[05:36] <noda> daniels: Dell Inspiron 600m, with Radeon 9000 Mobility
[05:36] <daniels> noda: ok, you almost certainly are seeing #3300, then
[05:37] <noda> daniels: Yes, but #3300 was fixed
[05:37] <daniels> in 2.6.9, yes
[05:37] <noda> daniels: (and it *was* fixed, I don't get crashes any more)
[05:37] <wood1> Pacchio, how do you connect to the Internet with your modem from Home ?
[05:37] <daniels> right
[05:37] <noda> daniels: So should I put a comment on #1503?
[05:38] <wood1> Treenaks, how are you ?
[05:38] <gangalino> thanks for helping an idiot like me out
[05:38] <wood1> are you there ?
[05:38] <Treenaks> wood1: ish
[05:38] <wood1> Well long time no see
[05:38] <Pacchio> with windows for now
[05:38] <daniels> noda: yeah.  does changing it to chvt 1, solve it for you?
[05:38] <wood1> How do  you connect to the Internet from Windows ?
[05:38] <noda> daniels: One sec :)
[05:39] <wood1> Why don't you query your modem using: pppconfig ?
[05:39] <noda> daniels: nope
[05:39] <daniels> noda: and it works if you uncomment the chvt line?
[05:40] <noda> daniels: Could it be that when the Radeon driver is unloaded the screen is turned on?
[05:40] <wood1> Does it show in the Device Manager list in>Computer>System Configuration> Device Manager ?
[05:40] <daniels> noda: looks like it's just the radeonfb driver sucking
[05:40] <daniels> noda: alternately, does it work if you change it to 'chvt 1; sleep 3'?
[05:40] <noda> daniels: Works when I comment the chvt line
[05:41] <wood1> Treenaks, do you have any idea about openMosix Linux Clustering ?
[05:41] <noda> daniels: You mean sleep 3; chvt 1? (the other doesn't work)
[05:41] <Treenaks> wood1: yes, google.com
[05:41] <noda> daniels: Neither works :)
[05:41] <wood1> You see, I have to look after some 12 Pentium II machines where I have installed Ubuntu Linux
[05:42] <wood1> But the problem is that they are very slow and I was thinking about using Linux Clustering to lessen the burden
[05:42] <noda> daniels: I have both radeon and vesafb modules loaded... is that normal?
[05:42] <daniels> noda: radeon is DRI for X
[05:43] <noda> daniels: Okay, just checking :)
[05:43] <daniels> radeonfb might give you more joy than vesafb, but I can't remember how to enable it off the top of my head
[05:43] <wood1> So can somebody give me some hints about using some kind of Linux Clustering to use the 12 Linux machines into a single cluster
[05:44] <noda> daniels: Hrm. Well, I don't really have that much time to play around right now, actually. I have a huge exam on Tuesday in a class I'm not doing well in :)
[05:44] <wood1> Pacchio, have you tried detecting your ISDN modem using:   ppppoeconf  ???
[05:44] <noda> daniels: Should I reopen the bug, or should I just come here and bug you when I have more time? :)
[05:45] <Pacchio> pppoe = ethernet?
[05:45] <wood1> Pucchio, pppoeconf
[05:45] <Pacchio> for ethernet modem
[05:45] <daniels> noda: if you reopen, that's cool
[05:45] <wood1> Point to Point Protocol over Ethernet
[05:45] <wood1> pppoe
[05:45] <Pacchio> it is
[05:45] <noda> daniels: Okay, will do
[05:45] <daniels> noda: cheers
[05:46] <Pacchio> my modem is adsl usb
[05:46] <wood1> Well I think PPPoE is not your case
[05:46] <wood1> Just type: pppconfig
[05:46] <noda> daniels: Thanks for your help. And now, I must go wrap my head around bode plots :)
[05:46] <wood1> And see if that program detects your USB Modem
[05:46] <daniels> noda: g'luck with your exam
[05:46] <noda> daniels: Thanks :)
[05:46] <Pacchio> ok wood1
[05:47] <Pacchio> tonight i try
[05:47] <Pacchio> now i can't
[05:47] <wood1> Do you know the Port that your USB Modem connects in Windows ?
[05:47] <jdong> daniels: while I'm here, are there any plans for a packages.ubuntu.com?
[05:47] <daniels> jdong: not sure, sorry, but it would certainly be cool
[05:48] <jdong> yeah, definitely
[05:48] <jdong> daniels: The winehq wine-20041201: any plans to put it in Hoary....
[05:48] <jdong> I don't like backporting apps to Warty that are newer than Hoary! LOL
[05:49] <jdong> but it seems to be in nice working condition.
[05:49] <GotD0t> does anybody know how to set the default browser to be firefox, but make it so it always opens on the same display... ive tried adding the -display=0.0 or w/e command to the default browser... and it works from my 0.1 display, but if i try to open a link from my 0.0 display it tries to open a new instance of firefox instead of opening in a new tab or window
[05:50] <jdong> something about mozilla-x-remote-client or something like that??
[05:50] <mjr> I think you want to write a wrapper script that explicitly tells it to use .0
[05:50] <mjr> (or try xinerama)
[05:51] <daniels> jdong: again, i'm not sure, sorry; since it's in universe, it wouldn't be done by our core team, but i'm sure an eager packager from the community could jump in to help ...
[05:51] <GotD0t> mjr: well it always opens it up on the correct display, its just when it gets opened from .0 it tries to open another firefox instance
[05:52] <mjr> oh right, parse error
[05:52] <jdong> daniels: It's already packaged into a .deb specifically for Warty; I don't see much more effort than an upload to include it!
[05:52] <GotD0t> mjr: i dont like xinerama, i like my two distinct desktops
[05:53] <jdong> daniels: discussion here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=6745
[05:54] <daniels> jdong: looks pretty slick.  i'll check it out, kick me in a few days if i haven't done anything useful
[05:54] <daniels> x breaking time now
[05:55] <jdong> lol, go have fun!
[05:55] <GotD0t> daniels: how about some acceleration fixing time ;-)
[05:55] <jdong> if you can find bin laden and fix the whole palestinian border thing too.....
[05:55] <jdong> what an act for humanity!
[05:55] <jdong> (I'll backport it to warty ;))
[05:56] <Pacchio> http://eciadsl.flashtux.org/download.php
[05:56] <Pacchio> that are the drivers
[05:59] <CaseysZ28_> morning everyone
[06:01] <CaseysZ28_> i have an amd64 machine and i want to install gkrellm but it is not in the repsoitories
[06:01] <CaseysZ28_> how would i do this?
[06:02] <jdong> can you apt-get source --compile it?
[06:02] <CaseysZ28_> i tried to download the source from freshmeat.net and compile it but it didn't work
[06:03] <CaseysZ28_> i read in the forums that the sarge packages would work but i can't find those either
[06:06] <Fwiffo> does anyone know id the lrmi library is availible anywhere for ubuntu?
[06:06] <Fwiffo> I can't seem to find a .deb for it
[06:07] <CaseysZ28_> does apt-get source --compile not download the dependencies?
[06:07] <mjr> no, apt-get build-dep for them
[06:10] <jcoventry> hello
[06:10] <jcoventry> i have successfully installed vlc and gnome-vlc onto Ubuntu linux...but when i select 'VLC for GNOME' from the Multimedia menu in the Applications list, nothing happens!
[06:11] <jcoventry> anyone?
[06:12] <amathis> jcoventry: try running it command line and see if it outputs errors
[06:13] <jcoventry> it does.
[06:18] <CaseysZ28_> ok i have all of the dependencies but libgtop-dev
[06:19] <CaseysZ28_> and it is not in the repositories
[06:19] <CaseysZ28_> how to get it?
[06:20] <wezzer> anyone who'd like to help me with a soundcard problem?
[06:21] <CaseysZ28_> what kind of card?
[06:21] <wezzer> I have 2 soundcards, one is integrated to motherboard and another is PCI-soundblaster-audigy
[06:21] <CaseysZ28_> modprobe emu10k1
[06:21] <wezzer> problem is, that there is no alsaconf in ubuntu so I can't define default-soundcard
[06:21] <wezzer> so ubuntu sets integrated card to default, because it modprobes it first
[06:22] <wezzer> any ideas how can I set that it founds SB audigy first and sets that as a default-soundcard?
[06:22] <CaseysZ28_> try turning off the one on the board
[06:22] <wezzer> I need 2 soundcards
[06:22] <wezzer> that's why I can't
[06:22] <CaseysZ28_> it set my sound blaster live first over my built on sound
[06:24] <CaseysZ28_> does the audigy show up in the device manager?
[06:24] <wezzer> yes it does
[06:25] <__learner__> hi
[06:25] <wezzer> hi
[06:26] <CaseysZ28_> try to apt-get install alsa-utils and see if that gives you alsaconf
[06:26] <amathis> jcoventry: what are the errors?
[06:27] <wezzer> CaseysZ28_: "alsa-utils is already the newest version."
[06:27] <CaseysZ28_> my card is using the OSS drivers
[06:27] <CaseysZ28_> k
[06:28] <defunkt> anyone have quake3 working in ubuntu in here?
[06:28] <wezzer> CaseysZ28_: should I have universe added before apt-get install alsa-utils?
[06:28] <CaseysZ28_> i have universe and multiverse added and it gave me the same thing
[06:29] <wezzer> okay...
[06:30] <jcoventry> amathis: Illegal instruction
[06:32] <CaseysZ28_> when you run alsamixer what card does it show for you?
[06:32] <wezzer> motherboard integrated one
[06:35] <zanni> hello
[06:36] <GotD0t> hi
[06:36] <zanni> I have one problem whit the boot of ubuntu in one ubuntu
[06:36] <GotD0t> what happens?
[06:37] <zanni> only boot the macos
[06:37] <zanni> :(
[06:37] <GotD0t> oh
[06:37] <zanni> the yaboot.conf is missing
[06:37] <GotD0t> i don't know about dual booting with OS X
[06:38] <zanni> :( thanks...
[06:38] <foursti> How do I open secure shell connection from outside?
[06:39] <GotD0t> you need a SSH client and you need to know the IP of the server comp
[06:40] <foursti> we have all that information, how do i enable that specific port?
[06:40] <GotD0t> are you behind a router?
[06:41] <foursti> yes
[06:41] <mjr> have you installed openssh-server?
[06:41] <mjr> if not, install it
[06:41] <GotD0t> what type of router?
[06:41] <GotD0t> foursti: look in the doccumentation for your router on how to enable port forwarding
[06:41] <foursti> we installed ssh-server, we know how to configure the router is there a port we have to open for the server itself? is it 22
[06:43] <foursti> How do I start ssh-server on my linux?
[06:43] <GotD0t> it is 22
[06:43] <GotD0t> but i suggest openssh-server
[06:44] <GotD0t> look at the man pages for it
[06:46] <foursti> We got openssh-server. I will read man pages on how to start it.  Thanks for help.
[06:50] <jdub> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8800/
[06:50] <jdub> ^ theora stream
[06:51] <Treenaks> jdub: poke a hole in the firewall! :)_
[06:52] <pluesch0r> evening! is it possible to execute 32-bit code when running amd64?
[06:52] <pluesch0r> in ubuntu, that is ..
[06:53] <Treenaks> pluesch0r: that depends on the 32-bit code and how it's linked and everything
[06:54] <pluesch0r> Treenaks: i'm merely thinking 'bout the macromedia flash plugin. ;)
[06:54] <moquist> anybody here speak French?
[06:54] <pluesch0r> since i can compile anything else on my own.
[06:54] <Treenaks> moquist: ask again in #ubuntu-fr
[06:54] <Treenaks> pluesch0r: you don't need to compile, get the packages from universe
[06:54] <moquist> Treenaks: might have better luck there, yeah.  :)
[06:54] <Treenaks> pluesch0r: and I think flash is one of the "notably unsupported" packages
[06:54] <Treenaks> moquist: :)
[06:54] <jcoventry> can anyone help me
[06:55] <Treenaks> jcoventry: that depends on the problem :)
[06:55] <Synek> :)
[06:55] <maruen> somebody could help me how to install xfce in ubuntu?
[06:55] <mjr> pluesch0r, eg. the openoffice package does that, but it's kinda kludgish; if you really need to run 32-bit packages, your best bet is to probably set up a 32-bit chroot environment
[06:55] <jcoventry> i have successfully installed vlc and gnome-vlc onto Ubuntu linux...but when i select 'VLC for GNOME' from the Multimedia menu in the Applications list, nothing happens!
[06:55] <pluesch0r> i see .. well, that's the same problem as on debian, then.
[06:56] <mjr> pluesch0r, basically yes
[06:56] <iz> jcoventry, try to start it in a terminal a watch what happens
[06:56] <jcoventry> i get an error
[06:56] <pluesch0r> *sigh*
[06:56] <iz> jcoventry, what sort of error?
[06:56] <jcoventry> iz, the error is "Illegal Instruction"
[06:57] <iz> ai
[06:57] <pluesch0r> mjr: when asking in the debian-channel, the answer to the question when 32bit-binary-support would be added in the amd64-tree was "after sarge" .. is there any information when this will be possible on ubuntu?
[06:57] <Treenaks> pluesch0r: in hoary :)
[06:57] <Treenaks> pluesch0r: (i.e. after warty ;))
[06:58] <mjr> I don't know spesifics
[06:58] <pluesch0r> Treenaks: yeah well, hoary can already be installed.
[06:58] <mjr> (will it really be in hoary?)
[06:58] <Treenaks> pluesch0r: it's not done yet
[06:58] <Q-FUNK> pluesch0r: if you dare try Hoardy, simply substitute all occurences of warty in sources.list, it's already there although it's a moving target.
[06:58] <pluesch0r> Treenaks: is it planned?
[06:58] <Treenaks> mjr: I think it might be
[06:58] <Treenaks> pluesch0r: not really as a goal
[06:58] <pluesch0r> Q-FUNK: i know, did that. broke my system nicely. :)
[06:58] <Treenaks> pluesch0r: more as a "would be nice if"
[06:58] <pluesch0r> i see.
[06:58] <Q-FUNK> pluesch0r: ouch
[06:59] <pluesch0r> Q-FUNK: ah well, i expected it.
[06:59] <pluesch0r> :)
[06:59] <Q-FUNK> tried pinning warty as higher priority in apt/preferences?
[06:59] <pluesch0r> no, i re-installed warty.
[07:00] <pluesch0r> and my laptop will stay on warty.
[07:00] <jcoventry> well, iz??
[07:00] <Q-FUNK> here, I've got the whole sheebang in my sources, and use apt/preferences to sort out the priorities between testing/unstable/experimental/warty/hoary.
[07:00] <Treenaks> jcoventry: I have no idea
[07:00] <pluesch0r> mhm
[07:01] <iz> jcoventry, sorry
[07:01] <jcoventry> damn.
[07:02] <jcoventry> if only Totem Movie Player had QuickTime support...
[07:02] <thomasvs> jdub: ping ?
[07:02] <pluesch0r> so .. what do i need to do to watch flashed webpages on amd64? re-install ubuntu/386 all over again?
[07:02] <thomasvs> jcoventry: FREEDOM !
[07:04] <jcoventry> lol.
[07:05] <mjr> :)
[07:06] <CraHan> is there something I can do to get the gnome menu working correctly again?
[07:06] <CraHan> as an intermediate solution?
[07:06] <Riddell> jcoventry: it should do with the xine backend
[07:06] <jcoventry> riddell, english?:P
[07:08] <Riddell> jcoventry: install totem-xine and w32codecs (the last one comes from the marillat repository)
[07:09] <choisy> hi there
[07:09] <iz> jcoventry, try http://ubuntuguide.org/index.html
[07:10] <jcoventry> ok, riddell.
[07:10] <jcoventry> ok, checking the link, iz
[07:11] <choisy> what is the difference between apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[07:11] <jdub> choisy: dist-upgrade will add and remove packages to resolve the upgrade
[07:11] <mjr> latter may install new packages and remove old ones when required
[07:13] <lil_anthony> whats the file in terminal to edit the ifconfig? like i used it one time before to set my static ip but i need to change it
[07:15] <Tomcat_> lil_anthony: /etc/network/interfaces usually
[07:15] <Tomcat_> lil_anthony: But you might want to check the network setup GUIs Ubuntu has.
[07:15] <lil_anthony> ok thanks i just found it right before you typed
[07:15] <lil_anthony> thanks again
[07:15] <Tomcat_> :]
[07:15] <lil_anthony> i was using interface instead of interfaces
[07:16] <lil_anthony> haha
[07:16] <jcoventry> riddell, i've installed xine
[07:21] <jcoventry> libdvdcss2 installation wont work because it says the package is obselete
[07:21] <Riddell> jcoventry: what sources are you using?
[07:22] <jcoventry> i'm simply trying sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2
[07:23] <jcoventry> riddell, i'm also having problems installing w32codecs
[07:23] <jcoventry> E: Couldn't find package w32codecs
[07:23] <Synek> hm
[07:24] <Synek> I've compiled mplayer and it has everything i need
[07:27] <Shufla> hello :)
[07:27] <Shufla> i think there's problem on www.ubuntulinux.org website
[07:27] <poky> hi
[07:28] <Shufla> i cannot access howto with k3b, where is it?
[07:28] <Shufla> i've used search tool from plone and from wiki to find k3b, there's only italian version...
[07:28] <poky> anyone here who speaks german and can help me with centrino wlan?? :-/ sorry for my bad english
[07:29] <treed> poky: that was pretty good english, actually
[07:29] <jiyuu0> jcoventry, did u add the extra repository?
[07:29] <jcoventry> how do i do that
[07:29] <jiyuu0> http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[07:30] <hearsay> poky:  linux.de
[07:30] <poky> cvxc/join #linux.de
[07:30] <poky> argh sry
[07:30] <sm> hi all.. gnome panel is hanging on startup, anyone know how to reset it to default ?
[07:31] <jcoventry> yes, i have already done that
[07:31] <jcoventry> oh wait,
[07:31] <jcoventry> my mistake, only part of that.
[07:31] <jiyuu0> hehe
[07:33] <jiyuu0> jcoventry, do an apt-get update first
[07:33] <jiyuu0> then only apt-get install <package>
[07:33] <jiyuu0> or use synaptic... easier
[07:34] <jcoventry> ok, am doing.
[07:34] <Maurik> newbie needs sum help: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=7818
[07:34] <jcoventry> ok now what, jiyuu0
[07:34] <jiyuu0> which part did u finish?
[07:35] <jcoventry> the apt-get update
[07:35] <jiyuu0> now apt-get install w32codecs
[07:35] <Maurik> is ubuntu ok to install on ntfs?!
[07:36] <jiyuu0> u can't install on it
[07:36] <Maurik> fuck :@
[07:36] <mjr> Maurik, XP would probably not like you installing on your current C partition
[07:36] <jcoventry> E: Couldn't find package w32codecs
[07:37] <jiyuu0> that's weird... let me check whether the site is down
[07:37] <jiyuu0> jcoventry, u did add these into sources.list right?
[07:37] <jiyuu0>  deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main
[07:37] <jiyuu0> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[07:37] <jiyuu0> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[07:37] <jcoventry> let me check
[07:38] <aleswy> hola
[07:38] <jiyuu0> gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:38] <aleswy> ubuntu in spanish?
[07:38] <jcoventry> yes i did!
[07:38] <jcoventry> heh i use sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:38] <jiyuu0> shud be ok
[07:38] <jcoventry> so whats the prob#
[07:38] <jiyuu0> try use synaptic
[07:38] <Rocha> Hello
[07:38] <jcoventry> ok
[07:38] <aleswy> wich server for spanish ubuntu
[07:38] <jcoventry> search for what?
[07:38] <Rocha> How can I watch videos in Totem?
[07:39] <Rocha> MPEG videos
[07:39] <jiyuu0> w32codecs
[07:39] <Treenaks> aleswy: just get the "normal" ubuntu, and choose Spanish language in the installer
[07:39] <Rocha> I already have that package.
[07:39] <jcoventry> Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.nerim.net stable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_stable_main_binary-powerpc_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[07:39] <jcoventry> i get this error when opening Synaptic...
[07:39] <jiyuu0> ignore
[07:39] <Treenaks> aleswy: next versions will ahve even better localization support/localized versions
[07:39] <jcoventry> k
[07:39] <jiyuu0> that means u haven apt-get update
[07:39] <aleswy> no , chanel in spanish about ubuntu
[07:39] <jiyuu0> jcoventry, once open
[07:40] <jiyuu0> press Reload
[07:40] <Treenaks> aleswy: oh! try #ubuntu-es
[07:40] <jiyuu0> then only search
[07:40] <jcoventry> ok
[07:40] <aleswy> ah ok
[07:40] <aleswy> thank you
[07:40] <jcoventry> it failed to get the ftp.nerim.net ones
[07:40] <jcoventry> but it did the rest
[07:40] <CraHan> holy speedup batman!, that bootup chart seems quite impressive
[07:40] <CraHan> http://www.planetarytramp.net/bootchart/bootchart-20041210-1752.png
[07:40] <CraHan> 35 seconds?
[07:40] <CraHan> impressive
[07:40] <Treenaks> CraHan: you should see daniels's X boot
[07:40] <jiyuu0> jcoventry, no wonder... w32codecs is there
[07:41] <jiyuu0> try ping it
[07:41] <CraHan> Treenaks: what hardware is this?
[07:41] <CraHan> I mean, I have a p3 750MHz laptop
[07:41] <CraHan> just timed my startup until gdm loginscreen and it was 1m34s
[07:41] <CraHan> with hoary and kernel 2.6.9-1
[07:41] <jcoventry> jiyuuO, ?
[07:41] <CraHan> guess I could use some speedup lovin :)
[07:41] <jcoventry> oh yea , lol
[07:42] <jiyuu0> go teminal and ping ftp.nerim.net
[07:42] <Rocha> w32codecs downloads an "essentials..." file
[07:42] <jcoventry> k
[07:42] <jcoventry> PING metroid.nerim.net (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data.
[07:42] <jcoventry> it pinged it
[07:43] <Rocha> It should install the codecs!
[07:43] <mjr> nerim has had intermittent problems
[07:43] <jiyuu0> ya it shud
[07:43] <Rocha> But I can only listen to the mpg sound, but i can't see the image.
[07:43] <mjr> try again a bit later
[07:43] <jiyuu0> actually who maintains nerim?
[07:43] <jcoventry> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[07:43] <jcoventry> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[07:44] <jiyuu0> ether synaptic is open and u try to issue apt-get
[07:44] <jcoventry> i get these errors when doin apt-get install win32codecs
[07:44] <Treenaks> sudo <whateveryoudid>
[07:44] <jiyuu0> close synaptic
[07:44] <jcoventry> ah, of course...
[07:44] <jcoventry> <-- Potn has quit
[07:44] <jcoventry> woops
[07:44] <jcoventry> lol
[07:44] <jcoventry> silly clipboard
[07:45] <jcoventry> E: Couldn't find package win32codecs
[07:45] <RESET> anyone use modem usb adsl?
[07:45] <jiyuu0> jcoventry, is w32codecs
[07:45] <jiyuu0> not win32codecs
[07:45] <Rocha> jcoventry, w32codecs
[07:45] <jcoventry> ok
[07:45] <jcoventry> same error!!!!!
[07:45] <Rocha> You must add the multiverse repository
[07:45] <jcoventry> i did..
[07:46] <jcoventry> we've been through that
[07:46] <jiyuu0> try libdvdcss2
[07:46] <Rocha> Strange
[07:46] <jcoventry> i already have tried libdvdcss2
[07:46] <Rocha> I also can't watch dvd's in totem
[07:46] <jcoventry> E: Package libdvdcss2 has no installation candidate
[07:46] <jiyuu0> jcoventry, when u did sudo apt-get update
[07:46] <jiyuu0> any errors?
[07:46] <jcoventry> yes
[07:47] <jiyuu0> what errors?
[07:47] <jcoventry> Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/stable/main/binary-powerpc/Packages.gz  Unable to fetch file, server said '/debian-marillat/dists/stable/main/binary-powerpc/Packages.gz: No such file or directory  '
[07:47] <jcoventry> Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/unstable/main/binary-powerpc/Packages.gz  Unable to fetch file, server said '/debian-marillat/dists/unstable/main/binary-powerpc/Packages.gz: No such file or directory  '
[07:47] <jcoventry> Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/testing/main/binary-powerpc/Packages.gz  Unable to fetch file, server said '/debian-marillat/dists/testing/main/binary-powerpc/Packages.gz: No such file or directory  '
[07:47] <Synek> powerpc?
[07:47] <jiyuu0> i was about to say the ame
[07:48] <jcoventry> i am on PPC
[07:48] <Synek> oh :)
[07:48] <jiyuu0> oic
[07:48] <jcoventry> lol.
[07:48] <Synek> hehehe
[07:48] <jcoventry> using an imac,...
[07:48] <jiyuu0> i have no experience in imac
[07:48] <jiyuu0> :(
[07:48] <Synek> neither do i
[07:48] <jcoventry> it shouldn't matter
[07:48] <jcoventry> since the software is the same
[07:49] <jcoventry> (ubuntu  that is)
[07:49] <jiyuu0> but based on ur error
[07:49] <jiyuu0> i think u point to wrong repo
[07:49] <jiyuu0> because it can't find it
[07:49] <jcoventry> where could i find the right one
[07:49] <Synek> hm, maybe there isn't w32.. in ppc repo?
[07:49] <jcoventry> thats a thought
[07:49] <Synek> jcoventry: compile one yourself
[07:50] <mjr> ubuntu is the same, marillat exists only for x86, and you can't use x86 windows codecs on ppc
[07:50] <jcoventry> synek, not sure how.
[07:50] <Rocha> I just did "apt-get install w32codecs" and it downloads a "essential-20040704.tar.bz2" to /tmp
[07:50] <Rocha> What do I do with it?
[07:50] <jcoventry> uncompress it
[07:50] <Synek> Rocha: bunzip2 ess...
[07:50] <Synek> then tar -xvf es...
[07:50] <Rocha> tar xjf
[07:50] <Rocha> j for bzip
[07:50] <Synek> cd es..., .configure, make, make_install
[07:50] <mjr> totem-xine should play most usual stuff by itself, as with the rest, you're out of luck; support free codecs
[07:51] <Rocha> ohh, some dll's1
[07:51] <Rocha> ohh, some dll's!
[07:51] <Rocha> Where do I put them?
[07:51] <jiyuu0> copy em to /usr/lib/win32
[07:51] <Rocha> ok
[07:51] <jcoventry> can xine play quicktime files
[07:51] <jcoventry> i managed to install xine
[07:51] <Synek> I've built mplayer .deb, all needed cocdecs included :)
[07:51] <Rocha> the files are already there
[07:52] <jcoventry> can xine play quicktime files?
[07:52] <jiyuu0> if u have the codecs
[07:52] <Rocha> i think apt-get uncompressed them
[07:52] <jiyuu0> yes
[07:52] <jcoventry> has anyone tried using PearPC on x86 ubuntu yet?
[07:52] <mjr> jcoventry, yes it can, those which use supported codecs
[07:52] <kent> how come the fonts in qt/kde programs is so ugly in Ubuntu warty? how do i change them to something better, without installing all the kde desktop,
[07:53] <Rocha> Since the files are already in /usr/lib/win32, totem should use them right?
[07:53] <jiyuu0> shud
[07:53] <Rocha> I'm using totem with gstreamer, i must use xine instead?
[07:53] <jiyuu0> totem with gstreamer not so good
[07:53] <jiyuu0> use gxine or xine-ui
[07:53] <kent> Rocha, i think totem-gstreamer dont use those codecs. The xine-backend will.
[07:53] <jcoventry> has anyone tried using PearPC on x86 ubuntu yet?
[07:54] <Rocha> How can I switch from gstreamer to xine?
[07:54] <kent> jcoventry, what is PearPC?
[07:54] <Rocha> kent, a pc emulator
[07:54] <jcoventry> PearPC is a PPC emulator
[07:54] <kent> Rocha, install totem-xine with synaptic.
[07:54] <jiyuu0> Rocha, jus aptget
[07:54] <Rocha> kent, a ppc emulator
[07:54] <Rocha> kent, ok
[07:54] <RuffianSoldier> upgrading to hoary was a sinch
[07:55] <Rocha> "to be removed, totem-gstreamer, ubuntu-desktop"
[07:55] <Rocha> is this ok?
[07:55] <jcoventry> is there any sort of stickies program for Ubuntu?
[07:55] <Rocha> jcoventry, yellow notes?
[07:55] <jcoventry> yes
[07:56] <Rocha> right-click on the panel
[07:56] <Rocha> Add the applet "Sticky Notes"
[07:56] <jcoventry> ehh one button mouse here
[07:56] <jcoventry> is there a key shortcut for using the contextual menu that the second mouse button is used for?
[07:56] <kent> Rocha, my gnome desktop looks like nearly as good as osx, so why would i use ppc ;)   (http://leviatan.kicks-ass.org/screen-1.png)
[07:57] <kent> Ohmer, it should have been to jcoventry
[07:57] <Rocha> kent, osx is not about the desktop
[07:57] <__learner__> There was a blackout here.
[07:57] <Rocha> kent, it's the best os ever.
[07:57] <jcoventry> kent that is far from mac os x
[07:57] <Rocha> jcoventry, you have a key for that...
[07:57] <Rocha> jcoventry, the ctrl key i think
[07:58] <kent> haha,   this is the second time today i send a message to the wrong person, and then write "oh, it was to the wrong person"  haha, and then xchat turns the "oh," into "ohmer," haha  :)
[07:58] <Rocha> the one that has a strange symbol in it
[07:58] <jcoventry> thats option, rocha
[07:58] <jcoventry> AKA. alt
[07:58] <jcoventry> but neither work
[07:58] <jcoventry> i'll plug in the two button mouse
[07:58] <Rocha> jcoventry, i don't use imac, that was just a guess :)
[07:59] <__learner__> is there any way to set my 5 buttons mouse to work properly (to make the buttons work)
[07:59] <wezzer> anyone who know internet radio which contains talk about linux?
[07:59] <jcoventry> ok two button mouse plugged in
[08:00] <jcoventry> rocha, thanks
[08:02] <anir> hi
[08:02] <anir> help me
[08:02] <Treenaks> just ask a question and we'll answer :)
[08:03] <Treenaks> and ordering people to help you is not likely to work very well either :)
[08:03] <CraHan> Treenaks: I just ran that bootchart app and it says my boottime is 28 seconds
[08:03] <anir> is there anyone to help me plz
[08:03] <Treenaks> CraHan: leet
[08:03] <scoon> anir
[08:03] <scoon> maybe
[08:03] <scoon> anir, what do you need ?
[08:03] <CraHan> Treenaks: yet when I time how long it takes until I see the gdm greeter i get 1m34 seconds
[08:03] <CraHan> Treenaks: do I need to interpret these things in a certain way?
[08:03] <Treenaks> CraHan: dunno, ask the developers
[08:03] <CraHan> hehe ok :)
[08:04] <Treenaks> I think that it takes a while from the end of boot to usable gdm
[08:05] <Rocha> Bye ppl
[08:05] <RubenV> anyone seen those slides with the dbus init system?
[08:05] <RubenV> if i could just remember where i saw em :)
[08:07] <Treenaks> RubenV: on the wiki!
[08:07] <__learner__> who is the guy who asked me about SDL and C++?
[08:07] <__learner__> yesterday.
[08:07] <anir> hi alessio
[08:07] <anir> hello
[08:07] <anir> i am asking for help guys
[08:08] <anir> r u listening???
[08:08] <RubenV> Treenaks: nope, it was on planet gnome i think
[08:08] <anir> heck
[08:08] <anir> is thr anyone ??
[08:08] <RubenV> could be
[08:08] <RubenV> anyway, it looked bloody cool
[08:08] <anir> i dont know how the heck it works
[08:08] <craig_> Ask away anir
[08:08] <anir> i am asking for help u guys
[08:08] <Treenaks> anir: We are here. Just ask your question.
[08:08] <RubenV> and a nice way to ditch those init scripts
[08:08] <anir> hey dudes
[08:08] <anir> plz help me
[08:08] <anir> i have installed ubuntu..
[08:08] <thomasvs> daniels: ping ?
[08:08] <anir> now i dont know what to do
[08:08] <paulproteus> anir: Okay.  What's up?
[08:08] <Treenaks> anir: have you logged in?
[08:08] <anir> i am okay
[08:08] <epotash> so i have a laptop with no floppy drive that im just starting to try to install ubuntu on following http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallWithFloppiesHowto/view?searchterm=network%20install
[08:09] <Treenaks> anir: (typed your name and password)
[08:09] <epotash> has anyone done this, those instructions are not very detailed
[08:09] <anir> i am really new to linux
[08:09] <anir> anir
[08:09] <anir> wildford
[08:09] <mjt> what's the problem with network install, epotash ?
[08:09] <RubenV> Treenaks:  http://people.redhat.com/johnp/dynamic-linux-slides/
[08:10] <anir> can u help me guys??
[08:10] <jiyuu0> anir, what u want to do?
[08:10] <epotash> ubuntu doesnt have its own net install
[08:10] <Treenaks> anir: no! don't type your password here!
[08:10] <epotash> it seems you have to use debian first
[08:10] <jiyuu0> cool
[08:10] <jiyuu0> i was wondering what's that
[08:10] <anir> i have installed ubuntu and i dont know how it works..
[08:11] <wezzer> anir: what do you want to do with ubuntu?
[08:11] <anir> i am looking for a help ..what all i have to install here??
[08:11] <wezzer> play music? send email?
[08:11] <jiyuu0> anir, go read http://ubuntuguide.org
[08:11] <jiyuu0> and play around
[08:11] <anir> cool
[08:12] <anir> i want to switch from windows to linux...so i have to start from somewhere
[08:12] <Treenaks> anir: the ubuntuguide is nice
[08:12] <mjt> btw, anyone know whenever bash-2.05 supports utf8, or is it only in bash-3?
[08:12] <jiyuu0> anir, u won't everything overnight
[08:12] <jiyuu0> just have u play around often
[08:12] <Treenaks> anir: and just playing around will help you get accustomed to the system a it
[08:13] <Treenaks> anir: a bit
[08:13] <Treenaks> anir: click on the menus, look at the programs, things like that
[08:13] <anir> yea cool
[08:13] <anir> i will do it
[08:13] <anir> i am really finding it great
[08:14] <anir> thankx guys
[08:14] <anir> hey u guys are using linux for a long time right???
[08:14] <jiyuu0> i think i shud add a windows alternative program list in ubuntu
[08:14] <veran> should be link to brightside so you can get edge flipping w/ gnome+metacity
[08:14] <Treenaks> anir: you might want to stay here or subscribe to one of the (local language, if your native language is not English) user mailing list
[08:14] <Treenaks> anir: on http://lists.ubuntu.com/
[08:14] <anir> cool
[08:16] <anir> whats so special about linux??
[08:16] <Treenaks> anir: there are a lot of "special" things
[08:16] <jiyuu0> i suggest give google a try... i think u'll get tons of answer
[08:16] <anir> i want to know
[08:16] <Treenaks> anir: why did you try it in the first place? :)
[08:17] <rapha> Hi all!
[08:17] <anir> coz i wanted to shift from windows to linux
[08:17] <Treenaks> anir: it tends to be more stable, it's surrounded by gread support and development communities
[08:17] <anir> yea its stable..thats why i have shifted
[08:17] <Treenaks> anir: if you want to change something, you can (or if you can't program, you can hire someone to do change the program for you)
[08:17] <Treenaks> anir: stuff like that
[08:18] <anir> cool
[08:18] <veran> you can actually FIX things in linux unlike in windows where #1 fix is to re-install the OS
[08:18] <jiyuu0> anir, check this out too http://linuxshop.ru/linuxbegin/win-lin-soft-en/table.shtml
[08:18] <anir> i have tried a demo version of long horn too...
[08:18] <anir> its great
[08:18] <rapha> Speaking of programming, since gnome_icon_theme_* is deprecated, what is used nowadays Treenaks?
[08:18] <sabdf1> anir: it's a more powerful environment, but that comes with some challenges
[08:19] <Treenaks> rapha: I have no idea, I'm not a gnome coder :)
[08:19] <rapha> Oh okay
[08:19] <rapha> Somebody else?
[08:19] <anir> yea i guess it is helpful if u have knowledge of unix
[08:19] <sabdf1> anir: you can customise it, tweak it, fix it, rearrange it, but you need to spend quite some time getting up to speed
[08:19] <Treenaks> rapha: I'm a recovering perl coder (being happy with python :))
[08:19] <rapha> anir: Less and less so
[08:19] <rapha> Treenaks: UGH! PERL!
[08:19] <rapha> :)
[08:20] <Treenaks> rapha: that's why I'm switching to python :)
[08:20] <sabdf1> anir: but more recently it's beginning to become more user friendly, which is what this channel is all about :-)
[08:20] <rapha> But I'll try Python at some point
[08:20] <Treenaks> sabdf1: isn't that one of the things Launchpad will address?
[08:20] <anir> guys.. i have installed ubuntu... now what i have to do..
[08:20] <rapha> anir: That depends on what you WANT to do
[08:20] <anir> they say i have to install some software from the net..where do i go?
[08:20] <__learner__> download
[08:20] <sabdf1> Treenaks: the Launchpad is more developer and community oriented than end-user oriented
[08:20] <jiyuu0> anir, r u using it to chat in this channel
[08:21] <anir> not atall
[08:21] <Treenaks> anir: read the guide jiyuu0 sent you (http://www.ubuntuguide.org/)
[08:21] <sabdf1> hopefully the desktop itself is quite end-user oriented :-)
[08:21] <__learner__> download and instal things via apt/synaptic! Thats really cool!
[08:21] <__learner__> I just love ubuntu
[08:21] <jiyuu0> anir, then u shud...
[08:21] <jiyuu0> first try go online wif it
[08:21] <sabdf1> anir: which software do you need to install?
[08:21] <rapha> So you're telling me there's no GNOME dudes in here?
[08:21] <veran> ubuntu on my laptop/desktop and regular debian on my servers, its sweet
[08:22] <Treenaks> sabdf1: well.. as being an end-user is the first step in becoming a community member/developer :)
[08:22] <sabdf1> too true
[08:22] <anir> i have least knowledge about linux software.. i have been using windows for 7 years..thats why i am here to get help from u guys
[08:22] <sabdf1> the launchpad certainly makes it easier for new users to make a great community contribution
[08:22] <jiyuu0> anir, 1st go to ubuntu and use it go connect to this channel
[08:22] <__learner__> my system has an extra CD drive showing in the system. It does nothing at al. How can I remove it?
[08:22] <Treenaks> anir: the best thing you can do is tell us the program you used to use in windows
[08:23] <Treenaks> anir: we can suggest alternatives
[08:23] <sabdf1> anir: have you tried out the basic software that comes with a standard ubuntu install?
[08:23] <__learner__> showing in the DRIVES section
[08:23] <mtl> I have installed Ubuntu 4.10 and Windows XP Home, now my computer boots to windows, how can I select which operating system to boot ?
[08:23] <mjt> wow that's good question mtl ;)
[08:23] <anir> i have only openoffice
[08:23] <sabdf1> mtl: do you see the grub screen at all during boot?
[08:23] <anir> thats it
[08:23] <mtl> sabdf1: no
[08:24] <mtl> and if i install grub, it doesn't boot windows
[08:24] <mtl> just linux
[08:24] <sabdf1> mtl: do you have the live cd handy?
[08:24] <mjt> where grub gets installed -- in mbr or in the linux partition?
[08:24] <sabdf1> mjt: usually mbr
[08:24] <mtl> sabdf1: what's that?
[08:24] <anir> and while i open openoffice..it really slows down my system..
[08:24] <mjt> i usually install grub/lilo in linux partition, and if win* screws it up, it's just a matter of firing fdisk and changing active partition
[08:24] <sabdf1> mtl: it's a cd you can boot off, brings up a (slow) ubuntu environment, that you can use to analyse your disks and partitions
[08:25] <mtl> ok..
[08:25] <sabdf1> like knoppix, gnoppix...
[08:25] <epotash> i am in the debian install and i want to install ubuntu over network
[08:25] <anir> am i asking some kind of stupid questions guys??
[08:25] <epotash> at what point do i need to do the debootstrap scripts
[08:25] <sabdf1> anir: not at all
[08:26] <anir> thankx
[08:26] <mtl> hmm.
[08:26] <epotash> i just did the partitioning
[08:26] <sabdf1> openoffice takes some time to get started
[08:26] <mtl> I think easiest way is to make a bootdiskette
[08:26] <will> mtl: you need to install GRUB into your MBR and configure it for Ubuntu and WINXP /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:26] <epotash> do i do "execute a shell"
[08:26] <sabdf1> i think that's a major focus for their current development
[08:26] <anir> and hey its not plzying my audio cds why?
[08:26] <mtl> will: i tried it and windows didn't boot.
[08:27] <sabdf1> mtl: did you recover the win boot with fdisk /mbr?
[08:27] <will> mtl: have you got more than one bootable 'flagged' partition/drive?
[08:27] <anir> why its not plzying the cds that played perfectly well in windows??
[08:28] <mtl> sabdf1: isn't it FIXMBR in the recovery console?
[08:28] <epotash> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallWithFloppiesHowto/view?searchterm=network%20install
[08:28] <mtl> will: yes, linux and win partitions.
[08:28] <epotash> how do i "Use debootstrap from Ubuntu to put Ubuntu there instead"
[08:28] <sabdf1> mtl: could be, it's been a while since I had a windows partition :-)
[08:28] <anir> is winamp works in linux?
[08:28] <epotash> anyone know?
[08:28] <sabdf1> anir: there are equivalents
[08:28] <iz> anir install xmms
[08:28] <anir> xmss..okay
[08:29] <sabdf1> xmms
[08:29] <iz> or beep media player
[08:29] <Synek> xmms :)
[08:30] <Garathor> When we are talking about audioplayers, is there anyone that supports the MusePack format? And also gapless playback (for all formats that supports it, also lame-encoded mp3s).
[08:31] <mjt> i think ther's musepack plugin for xmms
[08:31] <anir> xmss works with ubuntu??
[08:31] <iz> Garathor, http://www.usinglinux.org/audio/xmms-musepack.html
[08:31] <asubedi> anyone using evolution+imap here?
[08:31] <mjt> as of gapless.. xmms is having.. "issues" with gapless
[08:31] <Garathor> Yes, you are right, I think i have seen it earlier, must have forgotten. But gapless playback is the most important part, what abour it?
[08:32] <Garathor> XMMS does not play my MP3s gapless at least.
[08:32] <anir> what ur idea guys..which linux is better???
[08:32] <Synek> anir: holy war
[08:33] <mjt> there's a setting somewhere in its config, but even if gapless is turned on, it's still producing some "clicks" between plays
[08:33] <anir> lol
[08:33] <Synek> anir: depends on what you need :)
[08:33] <anir> how bout gentoo?
[08:33] <Synek> Hm
[08:33] <jiyuu0> good for learning
[08:33] <Synek> i disagree
[08:33] <Synek> :)
[08:33] <jiyuu0> if u r patient
[08:33] <anir> i need a very user friendly os..which one is that?
[08:33] <Synek> ubuntu :)
[08:33] <mjt> win? ;)
[08:34] <iz> anir, ask yourself what you want of a os
[08:34] <anir> linux os i am talking bout
[08:34] <Garathor> Oh, that can't be what i want, i want true gapless, excactly on the right sample.
[08:34] <anir> it should be very stable, have a nice user interface.. great graphics..
[08:35] <Synek> anir: you want server? desktop? for games? watching tv/movie?
[08:35] <iz> anir ubuntu
[08:35] <anir> yes
[08:35] <Synek> :)
[08:35] <anir> i want desktop
[08:35] <iz> i play doom3 on a ubuntu desktop
[08:35] <jiyuu0> i play warcraft
[08:35] <Garathor> I wish someone would port foobar2000 to linux.
[08:36] <anir> actually i want to install it on my laptop for business purposses..so i want to get use to it
[08:36] <Treenaks> anir: well, try using openoffice for a bit.. the ultimate office application :)
[08:36] <mjt> i think almost any major linux distribution will do, anir.
[08:36] <anir> i guess ubuntu is the best
[08:37] <mjt> the software is all the same, almost.
[08:37] <paulproteu1> By the way, does anyone have an Ubuntu desktop that looks less boring than the stock GNOME setup?
[08:37] <anir> better
[08:37] <paulproteu1> If so, how did you manage this?
[08:37] <paulproteu1> Also, are there Qt themes available for Ubuntu?
[08:37] <iz> Garathor, maybe this is something for you: http://fondriest.frederic.free.fr/realisations/lamip/
[08:38] <iz> paulproteul install xfce4
[08:38] <rapha> paulproteu1: art.gnome.org, themes.org, themedepot.org, then you can add fonts, change your background picture and whatnot. After lots of playing around I'm back to the default desktop.
[08:38] <anir> i have installed ...but i dont know where the heck they have installed
[08:38] <paulproteu1> Will that retain all the automounting stuff?
[08:38] <paulproteu1> rapha: Right, that's the thing.
[08:38] <rapha> iz: What does XFCE have to do with interesting looks?
[08:39] <paulproteu1> I want someone to recommend me something that's just *better* than this before I start experimenting.  I'm shooting in the dark while experimenting, and I'm trying to recommend Ubuntu to people who just complain it looks ugly.
[08:39] <rapha> paulproteu1: Also be careful with XFCE; changing to that will certainly make some of the Ubuntu functionality unavailable.
[08:39] <iz> rapha nothing but he dont like gnone
[08:39] <anir> it would be great..if u click the site ubuntulinux.com and it scans ur os and provides the necessary updates for the os..is it possible??
[08:39] <mjt> anir: yes
[08:39] <anir> how??
[08:39] <rapha> paulproteu1: Well, then maybe find a set of Aqua themes that could suit your friends. That's what my girl friend uses.
[08:40] <rapha> iz: He just doesn't like the default look.
[08:40] <Treenaks> anir: people are working on a program that runs in the background, and pops up an icon when there are updates
[08:40] <mjt> apt-get / synaptic? ;)
[08:40] <iz> anir there's apt-watch for
[08:40] <Treenaks> anir: for the next version of ubuntu
[08:40] <Garathor> Yes, i read about lamip on hydrogenaudio. Think i'll have to try it :)
[08:40] <anir> it will come somewhere around april/may??
[08:40] <rapha> April.
[08:40] <paulproteu1> I do like GNOME (well, I like KDE more, but GNOME seems more consistently-put-together).
[08:40] <iz> rapha, argh mis understandment
[08:40] <rapha> nm :)
[08:40] <anir> what is GNOME?
[08:41] <rapha> anir: GNOME is the technology underlying Ubuntu's desktop.
[08:41] <iz> paulproteul i use it with gdesklets
[08:41] <rapha> It originally stood for "GNU Network Object Model Environment" or something.