[19:14] <elfy> balloons: so if I wanted to add for example xubuntu-core to the xubuntu bit of http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/315/builds
[19:14] <elfy> how would I do that
[19:18] <balloons> elfy, as a product?
[19:18] <elfy> or as a standalone thing
[19:19] <elfy> balloons: no idea really - never had to do much with the image tracker
[19:19] <elfy> mmm
[19:19] <elfy> actually it would be better if it was standalone if that's possible
[19:20] <elfy> balloons: basically we are doing a really basic xubuntu - the bones of the thing we're doing is https://sigma.unit193.net/~unit193/core.html
[19:20] <elfy> but we need to be able to test it and check results
[20:23] <balloons> elfy, so is it a new image then, or simply a new test for the minimal iso?
[20:23] <elfy> it uses the minimal then pulls our new package
[20:25] <elfy> didn't think about it like that actually - so it'll end up being a new testcase obviously - I don't think I can add what needs to be added product wise though
[20:26] <balloons> Yea, I don't want to arbitrarily create a new product either.. Might consider discussing it on -release
[20:26] <balloons> with a mail perhaps
[20:26] <elfy> mmm
[20:27] <knome> no new products please ;)
[20:27] <elfy> you know what - I'm rapidly losing interest
[20:27] <balloons> knome, lol.. I think I'd prefer to see it as a testcase
[20:29] <knome> a testcase or a "build"
[20:29] <elfy> if we get that far I'll just ask people on our mailing list where we've some control over what we need
[20:29] <knome> or a testsuite..
[22:14] <balloons> elopio, ping
[22:57] <elopio> balloons: pong. I'm not sure if it's the same topic as on the other chanel.
[23:10] <elopio> balloons, robotfuel: that's the problem when we try to follow style guidelines that are not on pep8
[23:10] <elopio> it's open to discussion
[23:10] <elopio> pep8 should cover every small detail :)
[23:11] <elopio> thomi: on autopilot, do you have a good reason for putting the closing parentheses on it's own line? or is just a preference?
[23:20] <thomi> elopio: pep8 gives you two options, this is one of them
[23:21] <thomi> elopio: I like the other option less.
[23:21] <thomi> elopio: so, yes, it's mandated by pep8, but there is another option, but I try and avoid it in AP
[23:23] <elopio> I think that brendan made a good point here
[23:24] <thomi> where?
[23:24] <elopio> for things that are not automatically checked by flake8, it doesn't make a lot of sense to try to enforce them blocking MPs.
[23:24] <thomi> elopio: well, that's up to the project manager. Personally, I'll block MPs to autopilot
[23:25] <thomi> but maytbe others aren't as picky as me
[23:25] <elopio> if pep8 lets the developer choose, I think that there's no good way to keep things fully consistent.
[23:25] <thomi> brendan has a good point, but in my experience I've found that it pays to be *more* picky with code contributions, not less
[23:26] <thomi> in fact: every single time I've thought "yeah, OK, I'll let this in... I don't like it, but it's probably good enough" I've regretted it later, and ended up making the changes myself.
[23:26] <thomi> every. single. time :)
[23:30] <elopio> thomi: yeah, I would prefer everything to be consistent. In that particular case, I find the other option prettier, but still prefer to follow a single rule.
[23:30] <elopio> however, here we are working with many more developers than autopilot
[23:30] <elopio> we can't make all the reviews, nor change everything later.
[23:31] <thomi> elopio: indeed
[23:32] <thomi> for something as trivial as the parenthesis indentation rules, it probably doesn't matter.
[23:32] <thomi> for structural things though, I'd encourage you to be picky
[23:32] <thomi> especially since, if you can explain clearly why you're being picky, you're training the developers at the same time
[23:33] <elopio> balloons: robotfuel: on the sudoku app I'm following the autopilot convention because I had already started after Chris' comment.
[23:33] <elopio> but I think that we should embrace incosinstency in this case.
[23:33] <elopio> thomi: any examples of those structural things?
[23:33] <thomi> elopio: like injecting dependencies in functions rather than hard-coding the call chain, for example
[23:34] <thomi> elopio: or like a class that does more than one thing, or the use of inheritance where composition is more appropriate
[23:34] <thomi> things like that.
[23:35] <elopio> thomi: ok, yes, with that we should be as strict as possible.
[23:36] <elopio> I'll keep the dependencies in mind. As we don't usually unit test the test helpers, I sometimes forget about the dependencies.


[07:53] <iomari891> greetings, when will 22.04 update from 21.10 be availble?
 It already is
[08:19] <iomari891> IrcsomeBot: I just tried to update again and I get: Checking for a new Ubuntu release
[08:19] <iomari891> Please install all available updates for your release before
[08:20] <iomari891> "Please install all available updates for your release before updating"
[08:20] <iomari891> this is after I just did update:upgrade
[08:21] <iomari891> this i show I'm trying to upgrade: sudo do-release-upgrade -m desktop
 Install all the updates
[08:22] <iomari891> IrcsomeBot: I just told you that I did that
 sudo apt full-upgrade
[08:25] <iomari891> IrcsomeBot: did that many time. Nothing to update.
[08:27] <iomari891> did dist-upgrade also
[08:29] <kc2bez> @iomari891 have you rebooted since your last update?
[08:31] <iomari891> Numerous times
[08:32] <iomari891> I've been battling this since the update was released
[08:33] <iomari891> reinstalling from scratch is not an option.
[08:46] <iomari891> even tried: sudo do-release-upgrade -d -m desktop.
[08:46] <iomari891> still no luck
[08:55] <alkisg> iomari891: what's the output of: grep Prompt /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[09:19] <iomari891> alkisg: Prompt=normal
[09:21] <alkisg> Not sure if it will make a difference but try changing it to LTS
[09:21] <alkisg> I'm not on my PC anymore though so I'm not sure if it's lowercase or uppercase
[09:22] <alkisg> Then run sudo do-release-upgrade -d once more
[09:23] <kc2bez> I think it needs to be lowercase.
[09:34] <kc2bez> @iomari891 do you have any held packages? apt-mark showhold   might help.
[11:02] <iomari891> kc2bez: Just checked. no
[11:05] <iomari891> alkisg: Changed to lts. no difference
[12:15] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 Guys is there a way to easily backup and restore the configuration files between KDE distros? I want to try out Kubuntu 22.04 and 21.10 if 22.04 turns out to have the same graphical issues I found on other 22.04 flavours with the option of easily rolling back to 20.04 if needed cuz this is my work machine
[12:28] <cbreak> IrcsomeBot: is just copying your home directory an option?
 So every config is definitely stored in the home directory and never on another path?
 There's always this feeling of 'I've done so many things, installed so many extras that I don't know in full detail what I've done but I don't want to miss anything'
[12:45] <cbreak> I would expect that all user-specific config is stored in the home dir
[12:46] <cbreak> of course, some things are not user specific, such as firewall rules, login manager settings, ...
 I thought the distro hoppers had a tool to make the process quick
[12:54] <BluesKaj> @Diogo, check your /home/user/.config file(s)
[16:22] <Mrokii> Hello. Can somebody point me to a location where I can learn about how to develop plasmoids?
[18:24] <Reconn> jhello
[18:24] <Reconn> Hello
[18:24] <Reconn> I have a question that
[18:24] <Reconn> When I will install kubuntu
[18:24] <Reconn> will it download all the drivers automatically?
[18:26] <Reconn> IS there anyone who can help me with this issue?
[18:29] <Reconn> God pls
[18:32] <Reconn> Huh this thing is useless
 Photo from Diogo Duarte : https://irc-attachments.kde.org/c37e7894/file_55759.jpg
 Ah hopefully the drop in image quality from telegram doesn't hide the issue
 So... Now on 22.04, with blur activated and window transparency set to 80%, it has a blurring effect but somehow white text manages to get past it.
 Is there a way to change the blurring algorithm? I used to have xfce with picom on dual_kawase and didn't have this issue, how can I attain a similar effect?
[19:13] <Guest4> hey! I'm just now downloading kubuntu to put on a little portable ssd as kind of a toy for testing old computers, etc. any tips?
[19:47] <genii> Too bad they didn't hang around, I did have some tips for them
[19:50] <genii> Like setting GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=true, and disabling the constant naming for ethernet devices so that scripts can be made using generic eth0/eth1 syntax
[20:23] <Mrokii> Hello. Can somebody point me to a site with info about developing plasmoids?
[20:24] <Eickmeyer> Mrokii: Try #kde-devel
[22:01] <valorie> genii: I'm curious -- why do you advocate for setting GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=true ?
[22:01] <valorie> the lack of os-prober was the cause of my laptop being unbootable last week
[22:05] <genii> valorie: Because if you boot from the same drive on multiple different systems and those systems all have other drives, or a bootable USB stick in them when update-grub runs, the grub configuration file on the drive you are using on multiple systems will be invalid and fail
[22:05] <genii> valorie: When the os-prober is disabled it only searches the drive it booted from for other oeprating systems and ignores all others
[22:08] <genii> So when you set this option you can safely update on any arbitrary machine with any arbitrary combination of drives or USB storage devices, so long as the drive you booted from is the one with this set
[22:35] <valorie> I had grub on only one drive and only one installed system
[22:36] <valorie> I have not filed the bug report yet; waiting for my son who helped me through it to provide some feedback about what would be useful info for the devel team
[22:51] <Mrokii> Eickmeyer: Thanks, I'll try there.
 Do you guys know why this happens? 22.04
[23:09] <enigma9o7[m]> I don't.
 If I move the mouse it stops and it doesn't happen always but it is quite frequent (once each half hour)
[23:25] <rioting_pacifist> Wayland sucks is why, switch back to x11 for now and see if it goes away
 How do I do that? I logged out but I cannot find an option to change the session
 Btw, I wasn't on Wayland, at least loginctl tells me this was on X11


[03:27] <phunyguy> handled
[03:28] <Unit193> k-lined.
[04:32] <wileee> could we let mate_ know there is a support standard and channel model, they are not even close to
[04:32] <wileee> on #ubuntu
[10:33] <k1l> AntiSpamMeta seems to have connection issues.