[15:15] <nottrobin> is there a standard place to store information about relations?
[15:16] <nottrobin> inside juju instances?
[15:16] <nottrobin> I'm writing a charm that requires mongodb
[15:16] <nottrobin> and I have a hook called "mongodb-relation-joined"
[15:17] <nottrobin> inside that hook, I need to store the hostname of the joined environment so my application can retrieve it to connect to it
[15:17] <nottrobin> how should I do that?
[15:56] <Tug> nottrobin, I think what you are looking for are the `relation-set` and `relation-get` commands
[15:58] <nottrobin> Tug: I can use relation-set and relation-get in my hook to retrieve / store the details of the relation, but what about my application? It can't be expected to know it's running in a juju environment. But it still needs to know what hostname to look for mongodb on
[15:58] <Tug> nottrobin, I guess you either have to start your app from the charm or modify a config file
[15:59] <Tug> or set environment variables
[15:59] <nottrobin> Tug: right. I'm trying to make the charm as generic as possible - IE have very little knowledge of the app's structure
[15:59] <nottrobin> Tug: yeah I was thinking of setting environment variable
[15:59] <nottrobin> Tug: but that seems to be impossible using Python
[16:00] <Tug> nottrobin, you can do bash commands in Python
[16:00] <bodie_> does anyone know whether it's possible to use coreos fleet as a deploy target with juju somehow?  can I write an extension provider if that option doesn't yet exist?
[16:01] <nottrobin> Tug: but you can't set environment variables
[16:01] <nottrobin> Tug: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1506010/how-to-use-export-with-python-on-linux
[16:02] <Tug> noodles775, https://docs.python.org/2/library/os.html#os.environ
[16:02] <Tug> srry
[16:02] <Tug> nottrobin, https://docs.python.org/2/library/os.html#os.environ
[16:02] <nottrobin> setting an environment vaiable would be my perfect solution but I can't work out how to do it
[16:02] <nottrobin> Tug: right, but os.putenv fails
[16:03] <nottrobin> you can happily set the local os.environ dictionary, but it won't actually update the environment
[16:03] <Tug> I personnaly don't like environment variables, it's not a clean way to pass information (imo)
[16:04] <nottrobin> it's perfect for information about the environment
[16:04] <Tug> yeah for a program
[16:04] <nottrobin> right
[16:04] <Tug> like DEBUG=true start_my_prog
[16:05] <Tug> out of curiosity, what type of application is it ?
[16:05] <nottrobin> wsgi
[16:06] <nottrobin> the one I'm testing it with is django, but it could be flask or werkzeug
[16:07] <Tug> mm I see, have you looked at the python-django charm to see how they did it ?
[16:08] <nottrobin> good idea, I'll have a look
[16:08] <Tug> look like they are modifying an upstart script
[16:08] <Tug> did look for long
[16:08] <Tug> * I did not look for long
[16:14] <nottrobin> Tug: where did you see that?
[16:15] <nottrobin> Tug: I can see it writes the DB settings to <app_dir>/juju_settings/20-engine-%(engine_name)s.py
[16:15] <nottrobin> Tug: but I can't see how that file then gets used
[16:20] <nottrobin> Tug: yeah the settings get read by some lines injected at the bottom of settings.py
[16:20] <nottrobin> Tug: a very django-specific solution
[16:21] <hazmat`> bodie_, not really re coreos.. not entirely sure how that would work, you could run full os ubuntu containers inside of a coreos machine, and then basically register them as machines for a juju deployment.. i've got some simple client side plugins that do api machine provisioning for digital ocean, etc. if your going down that road.. alternatively getting charms that directly do docker (for image based deploys) else its just the container as a machine.
[16:22] <hazmat`> nottrobin, reading backlog, but typicaly way to address this issue is to have a standard way to configure your application, that the hooks can inject/render the relation config into
[16:24] <hazmat`> Tug, just about every paas uses env variables to pass config in... (heroku, dotcloud, cloudfoundry, openshift) etc.
[16:24] <hazmat`> its effectively the lowest common denominator across language runtimes.. but agreed that it has caveats (runtime manipulation etc)
[16:25] <hazmat`> nottrobin, ie. your app reads config from file, and hooks write that file, and can either restart the process, or send signal if they change it.
[16:26] <hazmat`> nottrobin, which wsgi framework out of curiosity?  pyramid and django both make this easy... flask requires some mucking about to get the plumbing right (re config from file) imo.
[16:27] <nottrobin> hazmat`: the projects I want to use it with at the moment are flask and django
[16:27] <nottrobin> hazmat`: that's why environment variables are perfect
[16:27]  * hazmat` nods
[16:28] <nottrobin> hazmat`: if I can just say "the mongodb hostname will be in the environment variables "MONGODB_HOST"
[16:28] <nottrobin> hazmat`: than writing your app to make use of that is simple
[16:28] <nottrobin> *then
[16:28] <hazmat`> nottrobin, so i'd suggest an upstart file which sources an environment file for each then.. alot of packages do this.. ie source /etc/default/$package_name  in a pre-exec upstart script
[16:29] <hazmat`> though you might want a different location than that.. but then the hooks just write to the env variable file, and restart the service after modifying the config
[16:29] <nottrobin> hazmat`: right so charmhelpers has a helper method which saves "export ..." lines into a scriptrc file inside the charm directory
[16:29] <nottrobin> hazmat`: but I couldn't work out how that file then gets sourced
[16:30] <nottrobin> hazmat`: do you know of a link that could explain how to configure upstart scripts to me?
[16:30] <nottrobin> hazmat`: I'm relatively new to this charming stuff
[16:31] <lazyPower> nottrobin: upstart has some really complete documentation. http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/
[16:31] <hazmat`> nottrobin, so re upstart looking at the docs (cookbook) or extant ones in packages is pretty good. it might be easier to just have a wrapper script that execs  the actual startup after sourcing your env variable file.
[16:32] <lazyPower> dont let that page intimidate you, in practice you usually only  need ~ 5 or 6 lines to build an upstart job that will do what you want it to do.
[16:32] <lazyPower> o/ hazmat`
[16:33] <nottrobin> hazmat`, lazyPower: thanks I'll get reading
[16:33]  * hazmat` heads out to the airport
[16:34] <lazyPower> nottrobin: here's a good example upstart script for you: https://github.com/chuckbutler/starbound-charm/blob/master/contrib/starbound-universe.conf
[16:35] <lazyPower> the only thing i read in the feedback above it doesn't exhibit is the environment variables. which are set with an 'env' keyword.
[16:36] <nottrobin> lazyPower: presumably it could source a file which did the actual exporting of variables
[16:37] <lazyPower> right
[19:36] <cruisibesares> hey juju guys. I just joined your mailing list the other day as im trying out this technlolgy for a proof of concept. I see that there has been a substanital amount of work on the vagrant provider recently which is great. I personally would like to use maas with virutal box so it will mirror my final deploy as close a possible. I found this blog post http://marcoceppi.com/2012/05/juju-maas-virtualbox/ and got that all set up and run
[19:36] <cruisibesares> ning. I got annoyed about having to power up all the boxes by hand durning commissioning so i built a little listener in go that basically just listens for the wake on lan packet and then look through the virutalbox boxes on the virulization host and uses the command line to power the right box on. So far it works like a charm (no pun intended) the only thing that is still kinda annoying me is that i have to use the gui to set the p
[19:36] <cruisibesares> ower type for each of the servers to wol of each server. This is more of a maas issue but is there a way that i can configure maas so that it will always use the wol power type by default?
[19:37] <lazyPower> cruisibesares: you can use KVM in leu of VirtualBox with the virsh provider to achieve non-manual powerup/powerdown
[19:37] <lazyPower> I'm using that on a server i have here in my house with great success.
[19:38] <lazyPower> i'm not really familiar with Virtualbox's WOL capabilities, unfortunately
[19:47] <cruisibesares> yeah it doesn't have any by default
[19:48] <cruisibesares> i just built a service that listens on port 9 and then calls the api
[19:48] <cruisibesares> the wol protocol is easy enough and i wanted to keep it on my mac
[19:48] <cruisibesares> that all works now somehow haha
[19:50] <cruisibesares> only hichup that i have at this point is the fact that after i run this maas maas nodes accept-all
[19:50] <cruisibesares> they all have power type set to
[19:50] <cruisibesares> --------
[19:51] <cruisibesares> if this makes no sense at all i can write it up a little better provide some examples and push it up to the maling list
[19:52] <cruisibesares> oops sorry network dropped out for a second
[20:00] <lazyPower> cruisibesares: it's an interesting use case, and I think others would benefit from your experience. If you have the time to post to the list, i'd love to read up on your specific testing implementation.
[20:00] <cruisibesares> alright i
[20:01] <cruisibesares> will fix up the read me and post what i have soon
[20:09] <cruisibesares> i think that im going to need to tweak the enlist_userdata file but i would like to avoid messing around with files included in the package
[23:28] <jokoka> yt ythhrt q;pk g


[08:22] <Mikaela> meetingology - quick security update means https://github.com/ProgVal/Limnoria/commit/4f6a5e7db9ee586120fda8138b5e3210ad54a011 however unlikely that scenario is and I was apparently two updates behind, but no one had thought to fire me for it if anyone else has been following meetingology :)


 https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2545549
 @KMyers check out that print!
 Mm
[21:02] <ahoneybun> There we go
 IRC Telegram bot is back up
 I was just being dramatic trying to be funny. But I'm not funny.
 Lol


[00:55] <Phanthom_Thief> hi
[00:55] <Phanthom_Thief> hi evilnick, degville, pmatulis and davidcalle
[00:58] <davidcalle> Hi Phanthom_Thief, welcome
[08:08] <heeral> hi
[08:10] <davidcalle> heeral: hello and welcome o/
[08:14] <heeral> i have to create a app or web page in ubuntu or else?
[08:32] <heeral> ubuntu 17.10 is not avauilable so which version we download
[08:39] <davidcalle> heeral: 16.04 will do fine, which task are you doing?
[08:41] <heeral> installation of ubuntu
[08:42] <davidcalle> Ah ok :) So yes, 16.04 will be fine!
[08:43] <heeral> sorry we got it on ubnutu site
[08:55] <Sounit> hi
[08:55] <davidcalle> Sounit: hello and welcome o/
[09:06] <parthpro> hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
[09:06] <parthpro> who are u?
[09:09] <parthpro> hiii heral work is going on
[09:09] <davidcalle> parthpro: hi and welcome
[09:09] <parthpro> thank u
[09:10] <parthpro> how many task are of this?
[09:10] <parthpro> like installation are of that
[09:18] <Varun__> hi
[09:18] <davidcalle> Hi Varun__ , welcome
[09:18] <Varun__> Thank You :)
[09:18] <Varun__> What should I do in this task now?
[09:19] <davidcalle> Varun__: is it the How-to tutorial task?
[09:19] <Varun__> Yes.
[09:21] <davidcalle> Ok, read through each step of the tutorial and try to actually do step 8, you need to submit a screenshot of the result to finish the task
[09:21] <davidcalle> ...
[09:57] <heeral> hi
[09:57] <heeral> if ubuntu os will install in virtual machine
[09:58] <heeral> it will apply
[10:00] <davidcalle> heeral: sure!
[11:38] <LyzardKing_> Hi! I'm the maintainer for ubuntu-make. I need to change the page in wiki.ubuntu.com, but it's set to immutable. Do I need to join the wiki editorson launchpad to be able to edit it?
[11:38] <davidcalle> LyzardKing_: yes, should do the trick
[11:39] <LyzardKing_> Ok, thanks!
[11:39] <davidcalle> LyzardKing_: I'll approve you
[11:39] <LyzardKing_> Great! Thank you!
[11:42] <LyzardKing_> request sent! Another question is, the tool is on github, and the up to date ppa is on my launchpad account (one of the changes I need to do to the wiki...). Can I link to my ppa on the wiki?
[11:50] <LyzardKing_> davidcalle: Thanks for approving the membership. The page still says immutable, is it an option to change or do I just need to wait a while? also, as I asked, can I add a "personal" ppa in the wiki?
[11:50] <davidcalle> LyzardKing_: I was checking the recent activity on ubuntu-make related things, I guess it would be useful for you to chat with willcooke in #ubuntu-desktop to get access to the ubuntu-desktop/ubuntu-make (unless the Desktop team is not willing to host these packages anymore), but yeah, as the maintainer, feel free to add your PPA, of course
[11:51] <davidcalle> popey: do you know why it's still immutable? ^
[11:52] <popey> hm?
[11:52] <popey> oh
[11:52] <popey> logout, log back in, make sure you tick the box which has the group name in when you go through the u1 sign on dance
[11:52] <LyzardKing_> Ok, now I can edit!
[11:52] <popey> and when in the wiki, do a refresh
[11:52] <popey> hahah, magic
[11:52] <davidcalle> Thanks popey :)
[11:52] <popey> np
[11:52] <popey> thanks for sorting scummvm out
[11:53] <LyzardKing_> the magic of logging out and in...Thanks!!
[11:53] <popey> I pushed it to the store last night
[11:53] <davidcalle> popey: thanks!
[11:53] <popey> 2.0.0 in stable :)
[11:54] <davidcalle> \o/
[13:55] <aarindom> hi
[13:55] <davidcalle> Hi aarindom, welcome!
[13:57] <aarindom> hi i am from google code in
[13:57] <aarindom> a student
[13:57] <aarindom> claimed the task
[13:58] <davidcalle> Yes, I figured, do you need help with a task?
[13:58] <aarindom> yes about the tutorial
[14:00] <davidcalle> aarindom: ok, what kind of help do you need?
[14:01] <aarindom> i have a windows 10 but it is mentioned ubuntu 16.04
[14:02] <davidcalle> Ah right, you can only do this tutorial on Ubuntu. One way who be to install Ubuntu with VirtualBox
[14:02] <davidcalle> would be*
[14:05] <aarindom> can you help me in installing ubuntu
[14:07] <nikigameplay> I can help you installing ubuntu
[14:08] <davidcalle> aarindom: you could follow this guide https://blogs.systweak.com/2017/08/how-to-install-ubuntu-on-windows-10-using-virtualbox/
[14:10] <nikigameplay> I had to install ubuntu on VMWare because website didn't let me to download normally because my laptop is Lenovo and there's an issue with Lenovo laptops
[17:35] <Dhruv> hi
[19:33] <Abhy> Hi!


[06:06] <jdeslip> Why aren't all weekends long? ;)
[06:10]  * pleia2 could use a long weekend
[06:10] <pleia2> on call went swimmingly until tonight when it...didn't
[06:10] <pleia2> now I'm all tired and need a weekend :)
[15:36] <Guest30477> ok heres a wierd one. for the last couple of weeks i sign in like normal it lets me in here on this chat as jamie. today i sign in and im supposed to be guest 30477 wth???
[15:38] <jamie_> wow that was wierd i sign out and then sign back in and now im me again.... wierd
[17:56] <MarkDude> Video from my talk at LUGOD >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ad6kHE-S1x0
[17:56] <MarkDude> Linux is a cult, but a good cult
[18:06] <iheartubuntu> Is it hard to move around on BART with the tux costume?
[18:06] <iheartubuntu> What if you need to use a toilet?
[18:06] <iheartubuntu> Has the penguin ever been pick-pocketed?
[18:07]  * MarkDude could both run, and do Kung Fu in the suit
[18:07] <iheartubuntu> Do you get free things at stores or restaurants for wearing the costume?
[18:07] <MarkDude> Not yet
[18:07] <iheartubuntu> Does the suit make you popular with the ladies :) ?
[18:07] <MarkDude> Well, silence is the better part of Valor
[18:08] <MarkDude> You can see my online album for that answer
[18:08] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: sometimes! http://princessleia.com/images/journalpics/112010/mark_melissa_lyz_halloween.jpg
[18:08] <MarkDude> Does not hurt at all, let's put it that way ;)
[18:09] <MarkDude> AMAZINGLY
[18:09] <iheartubuntu> Apparently not! One penguin to 3 ladies is a pretty good ratio. Almost like Russia.
[18:10] <MarkDude> lol
[18:11] <kdub> in america, penguins ride the subway
[18:11]  * MarkDude does not judge, but one of those folks was most likely a dude
[18:11] <kdub> in soviet russia, subways ride the penguins
[18:11] <MarkDude> lol
[18:12] <kdub> not my best, but i couldnt pass up the russia reference
[18:13] <MarkDude> http://picasaweb.google.com/tuxwingsgroup/Halloween#5537241955528906578
[18:13] <MarkDude> I think I should remove the GK watermark from the Halloween pics
[18:14] <MarkDude> pleia2, has lived in cali for a enough time that she was not as shocked at the nightclub scene there
[18:14]  * iheartubuntu checks internet for penguin costumes
[18:14] <MarkDude> $32 shipped
[18:15] <iheartubuntu> does thee, uhhhhh, size of the theee, uuuuhhh, flippers make a difference?
[18:15] <iheartubuntu> or beak?
[18:15]  * MarkDude is sending one to FUDcon for the end of week. Im sure I will be known as that kooky Ubuntu guy with the suit
[18:16] <MarkDude> Well the beak is more interesting than I originally thought :D
[18:16] <iheartubuntu> thats what i was thinking
[18:16] <MarkDude> You can still put your hand out thru the flipper
[18:17] <MarkDude> *Universal Truth*;
[18:17] <MarkDude> Anything you can do with a hand, is infinitely funnier with a flipper
[18:17] <MarkDude> If you dont believe anything else I say, believe that
[18:20] <kdub> MarkDude, lets be fair, the /northern/ california nightclub scene :)
[18:21] <kdub> we've got more of a kesha-wannabe vibe down here :D
[18:21] <MarkDude> and plastic surgery/enhancements also :D
[18:22] <MarkDude> You have no shortage of dudes that dress like chicks tho
[18:22]  * MarkDude was born and grew up in San Diego
[18:23] <pleia2> kesha-wannabe vibe is less of a culture shock than... the castro on halloween
[18:24] <pleia2> (I'd think anyway)
[18:24] <kdub> MarkDude: i live in PacificBeach, all those problems are in 'epidemic' status in my neighborhood :P
[18:24] <kdub> pleia2: probably true
[18:26]  * MarkDude grew up in PB
[18:26] <MarkDude> Apparently Cher is not the most popular outfit anymore- it is Lady Gaga
[18:26] <pleia2> california is a whole different world from where I grew up
[18:27] <MarkDude> Well Philly has created new and better swear words- they made it an artform
[18:27] <pleia2> I grew up in Maine :)
[18:28] <pleia2> Philly was just a stop along the way
[18:28] <MarkDude> Yes, I forgot
[18:28] <pleia2> the reluctant gypsy that I am
[18:28] <iheartubuntu> i heard maine is not very business friendly. lotso f taxes n stuff
[18:28] <MarkDude> well it is still a Masters degree in cursing from what i understand
[18:28] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: yeah, it's a tourist state, florida is similar
[18:28] <iheartubuntu> i miss VT and NH
[18:29] <MarkDude> Grandmas are even willing to teach the proper way to drop F-bombs
[18:29] <MarkDude> iheartubuntu, Jan 15th- I was wondering if I should have worn shorts
[18:29] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: I love Maine, but career prospects are slim outside of the tourist industry, so I left
[18:29] <iheartubuntu> i would think maine is similar
[18:29] <MarkDude> It costs so much to live here for a reason
[18:30] <MarkDude> California's crappy cities are often better than other states great cities
[18:30] <MarkDude> So says the 3rd generation Californian :D
[18:30] <iheartubuntu> heres a computer related Q... can computers and other electronics that are turned OFF survive an EMP?
[18:32] <MarkDude> Dont most things that produce EMP leave a residual?
[18:33] <MarkDude> Tubes can operate after nuclear bomb
[18:34] <MarkDude> So later this Summer, *penguin party* hit SF either wear a penguin suit- or a white shirt and black shirt unbuttoned
[18:35] <kdub> iheartubuntu: probably not. emp's induce voltages accross the circuitry regardless of whether its on or off
[18:35] <iheartubuntu> yah i think tubers would be fine... but more complex circuits like computers im curious if they would still work. im gonna get an old western electric 500 series dial phone just in case
[18:36] <MarkDude> Anything that was made before the 555 circuit might be fine
[18:37] <MarkDude> Many cars wont run, since they have computers also, even the *dumb* ones have chips
[18:37] <iheartubuntu> i dont recall my 1974 vw bus having any electronics
[18:38] <iheartubuntu> i miss that too :)
[18:38] <akk> Nearly anything new enough to have fuel injection (except a few of the early Bosch k-jetronic) has a computer.
[18:39]  * kdub thinks the pre-computing timing mechanisms for engines are pretty cool
[18:41] <MarkDude> I agree - the adjustments that are made are crazy
[18:42] <akk> Engines run a lot more efficiently and cleanly with the computer stuff, though.
[18:42]  * MarkDude was a mechanic for a bit, I loved the old trucks and cars- you could pretty much climb into the engine compartment
[18:42] <MarkDude> Not after nuclear fallout
[18:42] <MarkDude> Mad Max situation, you need the older stuff
[18:43] <akk> Sure.
[18:43] <MarkDude> And guns strapped to your car :D
[18:43] <akk> And a source of gasoline, oil, machine tools to make parts, ...
[18:43] <MarkDude> And of course, your endless quest for gasoline
[18:44]  * akk can just see carefully filing down that new replacement carburator jet by hand ...
[18:44]  * MarkDude just imagined himself in that scenario--- wearing the suit of course
[18:44] <MarkDude> Giving the talk humoungous or whatever that dudes name is giving the speech before they attack
[18:45] <MarkDude> Yes I need help :)
[18:45] <akk> A rich fantasy life makes life fun. :)
[18:49] <MarkDude> True.
[18:49]  * MarkDude is not  big fan of boring
[18:52]  * kdub installs faraday cage around car computer
[18:56] <MarkDude> With nuclear fallout- a rate that wont maybe kill you - can kill chips with background radiation
[18:57] <MarkDude> Russian had a bomber that was made with tubes
[19:02] <iheartubuntu> I bet the stereo on that bomber was awesome :)
[19:02] <akk> lol
[19:08] <pleia2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/705265
[19:08] <pleia2> fix committed, now we just wait for release \o/
[19:10] <akk> Yay!
[19:11] <akk> That was fast.
[19:25] <pleia2> yeah, it's one of the projects I don't feel guilty about telling people to report a bug for since I know it won't get ignored
[19:26] <pleia2> (and you won't need to wait 6 months for the fix to be released, in the next version of the OS)
[19:44] <kdub> i dont know if bugs are actively ignored in most projects, they're just not the most productive thing to do :)
[19:45] <kdub> err, not the most /fun/ and productive
[19:46] <akk> You can argue about why they're ignored but it doesn't change the fact that they're ignored in many projects.
[19:47] <iheartubuntu> prays my ubuntuone paid acct will work with 11.04
[19:49] <kdub> akk: true, never hurts to understand the problem in an attempt to improve the turnaround time
[19:50] <kdub> sounds like a good blog article for me to write about :D
[20:14] <jamie_> hello everyone
[20:15] <pleia2> g'day jamie_
[20:15] <jamie_> hi pleia2 how is your day?
[20:15] <pleia2> jamie_: it's a monday, but not as bad as some so far :) you?
[20:16] <jamie_> how much do you want to hear? :)
[20:17] <pleia2> hehe
[20:18] <jamie_> i got the regular case of the monday crap
[20:18] <MarkDude> Oh speaking of cults, here are some pictures from the loud music show on Sat http://picasaweb.google.com/tuxwingsgroup/SeveredFifthJan222011#
[20:18] <pleia2> jamie_: that's no fun
[20:18] <jamie_> spent most of the day on tis project of trying to put ubuntu on a zipit which was a total bust
[20:19] <pleia2> I think my monday is less monday today because I was on call this weekend (and actually had to do some work)
[20:19] <jamie_> oh and my wife told me last night she wants  a divorce
[20:19] <pleia2> jamie_: oh no! I'm sorry
[20:20] <MarkDude> Sorry to hear that
[20:21] <jamie_> its ok i guess i kinda saw it coming but heck of a way to start the week
[20:21]  * pleia2 just had her 2 year divorciversary
[20:29] <mpontillo> =( http://www.amazon.com/dp/0609805797 this is a good book if you think it's recoverable
[20:34] <jamie_> anyone else try doing that zipit thing?
[20:34] <jamie_> pleia2,  congratulations i guess
[20:35] <jamie_> or is it condolences how does that work?
[20:35] <pleia2> a bit of both
[20:35] <pleia2> it was the most painful experience of my life
[20:36] <jamie_> this is my second marriage. ending the first one sucked but im so uch more in to this girl than i was the first.
[20:36] <jamie_> and i have a 10 month old son with her as well
[20:37] <pleia2> wow, that must be difficult
[20:40] <jamie_> its getting there
[20:40] <jamie_> you have any kids pleia2?
[20:40] <pleia2> jamie_: fortunately not
[20:40] <pleia2> I hope to eventually though :)
[20:41] <jamie_> i hope you do some day they can really be a blessing in your life
[21:49] <MarkDude> http://blogs.fedoraproject.org/wp/fifthpillar/2011/01/24/you-can-be-a-geek-and-still-rock/
[21:49] <MarkDude> Jonos show.
[23:18] <iheartubuntu> I noticed all my files appeared missing on my 8GB USB drive while browsing in Nautilus, but I can see everything if I use Dolphin. Anyone know how to fix this in Nautilus? I hope my drive isnt "going
[23:19] <iheartubuntu> '"going"
[23:23]  * kdub raid-1's all my usb drives (nrly) :)
[23:24] <pleia2> akk: still dislike grub2?
[23:24] <pleia2> debian squeeze defaults to it, which means I officially have to get over my reservations and suck it up
[23:24] <akk> pleia2: Yes -- afaik they haven't fixed any of the problems.
[23:25] <pleia2> siigh
[23:25] <akk> I haven't actually tried it in a while -- it messes up too much stuff to try it casually just to see if they fixed things and nobody mentioned it.
[23:25] <akk> Why do you have to use it?
[23:25] <pleia2> I didn't even realize squeeze defaulted to it until today, I went to look at my menu.list in a new install and got a surprise
[23:26] <akk> Oh, you have to use it because it installed it without asking?
[23:26] <pleia2> at work we like to keep in sync with debian policy as much as possible when it comes to defaults, tends to make upgrade paths and general maintenance easier
[23:27] <akk> It's not that big a deal for machines that only have one system installed.
[23:27] <pleia2> we have at least one server that have been running debian since potato, upgraded from release to release
[23:27] <akk> It's really only a horror if you're trying to maintain several different root partitions/systems on the same machine.
[23:28] <akk> Well, or if you have several kernels -- it does make the boot menu sort of awful even with only one root partition.
[23:28] <pleia2> well, no worries about that here, one kernel, one root partition
[23:28] <pleia2> using software raid and LVM, but that's a whole different layer
[23:29] <pleia2> I was a bit worried about our systems that still run lilo (a lot of them!) but someone revived lilo for squeeze
[23:29] <DarkwingDuck> Yay, tomorrow  finally have a computer again
[23:30] <pleia2> yay :) what happened to the old one?
[23:31] <DarkwingDuck> My lappy broke
[23:31] <pleia2> oh right, and you're getting a new one
[23:31] <DarkwingDuck> But, I found somone who had an extra laptop and donated it.
[23:31] <pleia2> all coming back to me now
[23:31] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[23:31] <DarkwingDuck> I almost turned it dowm
[23:32] <DarkwingDuck> *down
[23:32]  * pleia2 finds http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/tutorials/6991/2/ and now all she wants to do is put fishies on her grub
[23:33] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[23:33] <DarkwingDuck> But, I have a good production machine for SCALE
[23:34] <akk> pleia2: Once you get used to a graphical grub screen, the plain one is awfully boring.
[23:34] <kdub> my goal for scale is to have a decent wayland setup running for everyone to see
[23:34] <pleia2> I had a custom lilo years ago
[23:34] <akk> That's from the Monterey Bay Aquarium, btw.
[23:35] <pleia2> http://princessleia.com/images/MyImages/screen/leiaLiloPhoto.jpg
[23:35] <DarkwingDuck> I'll have KDE, GNome and XFCE on my new system
[23:35] <pleia2> (sorry, yeah, I had gentoo and xp installed back then, I grew out of it!)
[23:35] <akk> pleia2: haha, nice image
[23:35] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[23:35] <pleia2> I still need to get down to the Monterey Bay Aquarium
[23:35] <DarkwingDuck> We need some spindles
[23:36] <akk> also, "leialilo" sounds much better than "leiagrub"
[23:36] <DarkwingDuck> on blank CDs
[23:36] <DarkwingDuck> on/of
[23:36] <DarkwingDuck> this way we can burn CD if needed
[23:37] <pleia2> erichammond is bringing some
[23:37] <pleia2> it's on the wiki
[23:38] <pleia2> "Bringing 200. Let me know if we might need more."
[23:38] <DarkwingDuck> kk
[23:38] <DarkwingDuck> I'll get back up to speed tomorrow night
[23:39] <kdub> question about scale, is it like an exhibit or something?
[23:39] <pleia2> it's a conference
[23:39] <DarkwingDuck> and Expo
[23:39] <DarkwingDuck> there is a large room with all sorts of booths
[23:39] <DarkwingDuck> and there are talks
[23:40]  * kdub should have probably put a talk together, maybe next time :)
[23:40] <pleia2> akk is speaking :)
[23:42] <kdub> well, even if i don't have a talk to give, i can still have an interesting bleeding edge build on my laptop and try to show it off :)
[23:42] <kdub> akk: what are you speaking about?
[23:43] <akk> kdub: Writing GIMP scripts and plug-ins
[23:43] <DarkwingDuck> Nice Akk
[23:43] <DarkwingDuck> I was going to but decided against it.
[23:53]  * kdub uses gimp. if i were approx. 2 smidgens better, i'd feel better about publishing my works
[23:58]  * MarkDude has never used photoshop-  GIMP serves my purposes well. I hope to see your session akk
[23:59] <DarkwingDuck> Mark, you're going to make it again?
[23:59] <MarkDude> DarkwingDuck, I better- I have 2 talks there :D
[23:59] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[23:59] <DarkwingDuck> Will be good to see you again.


 Just tested latest  Jammy ISO install in Hyper-V running on Windows 11 - all good
[09:03] <guiverc> :)
 have to try everything - just for kicks (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <guiverc> :))
 Bug #1942638 occurred on todays ISO 01-12-2021 would help if someone could try this on VM or Baremetal https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/calamares-settings-ubuntu/+bug/1942638  tks
 I came here just to warn about something that happened to me while trying to download lubuntu iso.
 https://docs.lubuntu.net/lubuntu_installation_on_old_computers.html
 This link shows me a stacktrace that looks really bad to me.
 this : https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/508316f0/file_3570.jpg
 Lubuntu dot net is not the official website. The Lubuntu project has no control over it. https://lubuntu.me is the official page. (re @Havege: I came here just to warn about something that happened to me while trying to download lubuntu iso.
 https://docs.lubuntu.net/lubuntu_installation_on_old_computers.html
 This link shows me a stacktrace that looks really bad to me.)
 https://lubuntu.me/downloads for the download links. (re @Havege: )
 Sh_t! Ok, sorry. (re @kc2bez: Lubuntu dot net is not the official website. The Lubuntu project has no control over it. https://lubuntu.me is the official page.)
 It was the first result on DDG. My bad (re @kc2bez: Lubuntu dot net is not the official website. The Lubuntu project has no control over it. https://lubuntu.me is the official page.)
 I almost forgot to thank u.
 Thanks! (re @kc2bez: Lubuntu dot net is not the official website. The Lubuntu project has no control over it. https://lubuntu.me is the official page.)
 You are welcome! (re @Havege: I almost forgot to thank u.
 Thanks!)


[13:49] <rtg> BenC, this is your daily nag about powerpc64-emb
[14:46] <BenC> rtg: ack
[14:47] <rtg> BenC, I would be less persistent except that disabling that flavour is preventing migration out of -proposed.
[15:50] <BenC> rtg: Am I supposed to be testing the ubuntu-zesty master build of powerpc64-emb?
[15:51] <rtg> BenC, master-next
[15:51] <BenC> I’m guessing not, because it built just fine.
[15:51] <BenC> ubuntu/ubuntu-zesty repo or your ubuntu-zesty repo?
[15:52] <BenC> Kicking off a build of ubuntu/ubuntu-zesty#master-next
[15:53] <BenC> Luckily, I remembered I have a 24-core ppc64 system to do builds on…speeding things up
[15:53] <rtg> BenC, git://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-kernel/ubuntu/+source/linux/+git/zesty master-next with the Zesty toolchain
[15:54] <BenC> Ugh…now I gotta dist-upgrade
[15:54] <BenC> Or maybe just build a chroot
[15:54] <rtg> BenC, well, I'm assuming it is toolchain related 'cause this code used to assemble.
[15:55] <BenC> I’ll try it on my current setup and if it succeeds then I’ll build a chroot for zesty toolchain.
[15:55] <rtg> BenC, I can tell you which instruction it hates.
[15:55] <BenC> A file:line would be helpful, thanks.
[15:56] <rtg> BenC, arch/powerpc/kernel/head_64.S:  224
[15:56] <rtg> cmpwi   r3, 0
[16:07] <BenC> Build started from what repo. This will be a good test to see if it’s toolchain or not, at least.
[16:08] <rtg> BenC, cool, thanks.
[16:17] <rtg> BenC, here is a more complete error message: zesty/powerpc/master-next/ubuntu-zesty/arch/powerpc/kernel/head_64.S:217: Error: operand out of range (3 is not between 0 and 1)
[16:17] <BenC> rtg: CONFIG_FSL_FMAN, CONFIG_FSL_BMAN and CONFIG_FSL_QMAN all need to be =y
[16:17] <BenC> They don’t work well as modules.
[16:18] <rtg> BenC, just for that flavor, or all powerpc flavors ?
[16:18] <BenC> for powerpc64-emb and powerpc-e500mc
[16:18] <BenC> It can be turned off for all other flavours, even ppc ones.
[16:18] <rtg> BenC, will do
[16:20] <BenC> ARM may be able to use it as well, but I don’t know of anyone producing consumer grade QorIQ ARM systems.
[16:25] <rtg> BenC, FSL_BMAN/FSL_QMAN do not exist in v4.9 though there is FSL_BMAN_TEST/FSL_QMAN_TEST
[16:33] <amitk> BenC: who knows if it'll every happen (QorIQ consumer grade) after the Qualcomm acquisition
[16:33] <amitk> *ever
[16:35] <BenC> rtg: Right, those can stay as modules
[16:36] <rtg> BenC, I pushed 'UBUNTU: [Config] CONFIG_FSL_FMAN=y for powerpc' to Zesty
[16:36] <BenC> amitk: For ARM, you’re very right. But there is consumer grade (or at least servers) for PPC QorIQ
[16:36] <BenC> rtg: Build passed on trusty…time to build a zesty chroot and retry.
[16:37] <BenC> Toolchain issues are a bit more time consuming.
[16:37] <amitk> BenC: right, I meant for ARM only
[16:37] <rtg> BenC, I was sure it would be :) I'd have tackled this sooner but I don't know PPC assembler
[16:42] <BenC> Seems like some new constraint that cropped up…starting the deeper dive now
[19:06] <BenC> rtg: zesty toolchain based build started...
[22:17] <theravenproject> hellp
[22:17] <theravenproject> hello