[05:27] <m0n5t3r_> anyone up? are rc-proposed updates released daily?
[05:28] <m0n5t3r_> I just installed the OTA for version 121, now there's no more keyboard for entering the passphrase :))
[05:31] <m0n5t3r_> (works after one more reboot)
[06:19] <undertasker> Morning. Can I change the behavior of the BQ Aquaris when both volume keys are pressed? Currently it's making a screenshot, but I don't need screenshots. I'd like to toggle the camera light instead.
[06:20] <nhaines> Nope.
[06:20] <nhaines> That'd be a bad thing to make configureable, but I certainly wouldn't mind some other cool combination that turned on the camera light.
[06:40] <undertasker> Can I somehow access the LED?
[06:42] <Stanley00> undertasker: you mean notification led?
[06:46] <undertasker> Yes
[06:48] <Stanley00> undertasker: code in your app or you just want to see the led lightup? I know that there is some device files in /dev/ for those leds
[06:48] <undertasker> As Dekko can't notify me of received emails in the background, I thought I could maybe run a script via cron, that checks for emails and turns on the LED.
[06:50] <Stanley00> undertasker: look like a perfer job for /dev/ files, your can run find /dev/ -iname '*led*' or find /dev/ -iname '*light*' to find those files then
[06:51] <Stanley00> undertasker: but well, you can try contact dekko author's for the support is prefer :3
[06:56] <undertasker> Dekko is a somewhat strange app. It doesn't notify me when there are new emails, but when new mail arrive while it is in the background, and I then put it to focus and open it's account overview, it already shows the number of received emails behind the account name.
[06:57] <undertasker> So It seems that it indeed polls the mail server in the background, it just doesn't have a notification mechanism (yet?).
[06:57] <DanChapman> undertasker Dekko only fetches mail in the foreground, so as soon as it is focused it runs as quick as possible to determine everything that's changed
[06:57] <DanChapman> undertasker: take a look at https://bitbucket.org/snippets/dekkoproject/dEejr/experimental-notifications
[06:58] <DanChapman> it's isn't a complete solution but it works ok for now. Were currently working out the best solution for getting notifications working properly
[06:59] <undertasker> Great! Exactly what I need!
[07:00] <DanChapman> undertasker: If you find after a while dekko keeps crashing in the background just delete ~/.cache/dekko.dekkoproject/notifications/* and it should resolve it
[07:03] <undertasker> To be honest, I was thinking of returning the phone, because I have to monitor several email account constantly. That's one of the main reasons why I carry around a smartphone.
[07:04] <undertasker> I only tried Ubuntu because of security concerns.
[07:05] <undertasker> Hm. I can't find tweakgeek in uApp Explorer.
[07:06] <Stanley00> undertasker: it's open.uappexplorer, not uapp explorer :3
[07:09] <undertasker> How could I misplace this?
[07:09] <Stanley00> undertasker: here is the link https://open.uappexplorer.com/app/tweakgeek.mzanetti :P
[07:10] <RAOF> I believe that https://code.launchpad.net/~nikwen/account-polld/imap-mails is the feature you're looking for; IMAP support for notifications.
[07:14] <undertasker> And how do I install the openstore app?
[07:24] <undertasker> Stanley00: How do I install the openstore app?
[07:24] <Stanley00> undertasker: I didn't, so I can't tell you that :P
[07:25] <DanChapman> undertasker: use the browser app and go to https://open.uappexplorer.com/docs#install download it from there and follow the other steps
[07:32] <undertasker> Can't download it on the phone, the browser always wants to open it. I'll try to download it on the PC and push it via adb.
[07:33] <Stanley00> undertasker: yeah, the browser can download the file in near future... maybe in OTA7
[07:34] <Stanley00> but now, I have to use wget for download files
[07:38] <undertasker> Indeed, we have wget. Could've thought of that.
[07:38] <undertasker> But adb push also worked.
[07:44] <undertasker> About this USB mode setting in TweakGeek: Does this enable USB tethering?
[07:44] <undertasker> If so, is there also reverse tethering?
[08:18] <mcphail> DanChapman: do the dekko push notifications keep working if you migrate from 3G to wifi and vice versa?
[08:37] <undertasker> Not for me, currently they don't work at all (at least on 3g).
[08:39] <undertasker> But maybe I'm doing something wrong, got the phone just yesterday.
[08:40] <undertasker> BTW: is it normal that the phone reboots when I'm trying to mount a smb share?
[08:46] <DanChapman> mcphail: yes it should do. It watches the connectivity API so will kick off a new connection when network becomes available.I haven't extensivley tested that yet though. IIRC it's also set in limited bandwidth mode so it should be really light on network usage
[08:46] <mcphail> DanChapman: cheers. Any way to get it to flash the LED? I only get a notification on the icon in the dock, rather than anything in the notification area
[08:48] <DanChapman> mcphail: the led should flash when you get a notification. So are you not receiving them?
[08:50] <mcphail> DanChapman: yes, they are coming thoriugh. When I switch on my screen I can see the number of new mails over the icon. But nothing in the notification area and no LED
[08:51] <ogra_> undertasker, you could surely hack it
[08:52] <ogra_> by default android-gadget-service only offers forward tethering
[08:52] <ogra_> (oops, didnt notice my window was scrolled back)
[08:54] <DanChapman> mcphail: ahh the emblem count update works seperately to the notifications. You should also be getting notifications in the message tray though. :-( Did you restart Dekko after enabling notifications?
[08:58] <mcphail> DanChapman: yes, and tried rebooting the phone as well
[09:01] <mcphail> And dekko is ticked on the "Notifications" settings page
[09:06] <jnxd> Hello. I very recently got my bq Aquaris E5, and I'm trying to connect via wifi
[09:07] <jgdx> Laney, hi, you got a moment? It's re: 1492260
[09:07] <jgdx> bug 1492260
[09:07] <jnxd> the problem however is, that I am on my Univ network, where I have to enter my username and password, whose options do not show up at all here
[09:08] <Laney> jgdx: yeah but I don't know much about why it might happen
[09:08] <jgdx> Laney, I have a slight suspicion that the worker thread is running in the gui thread.
[09:09] <Stanley00> jnxd: you can try as answer here http://askubuntu.com/questions/598980/ubuntu-touch-wireless-peap-workaround
[09:10] <jgdx> Laney, and qt says at this point that you should never subclass qthread. So i'm wondering if something has changed in qt5 (or qt4.8).
[09:12] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy No News is Good News Day! 😃
[09:12] <Laney> jgdx: It was the advice to subclass and implement run()
[09:13] <jgdx> Laney, it was, but it's not anymore.
[09:14] <Laney> well, is it this part that's causing the problem?
[09:14] <Laney> that QThread is for building the object initially
[09:14] <Laney> then we use QtConcurrent to filter it when you search
[09:14] <Laney> did you check where it happens?
[09:14] <Laney> that'll help to identify the place to look
[09:15] <guest42315> uh, taking screenshots locks the UI for 5 seconds https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1494480
[09:15] <jgdx> Laney, it's just a theory. But if I'm throttling the filter calls, we still have lag.
[09:15] <jgdx> Laney, also, if I print stuff from the worker thread, it's printed twice. I.e. it builds the stuff twice.
[09:17] <Laney> when does that happen?
[09:17] <Laney> when you first enter the panel or when you first search?
[09:18] <jgdx> the first search starts the worker, then at some point (maybe the second search), the worker starts once more.
[09:18] <Laney> you could try to make that map building happen when you enter the panel instead
[09:19] <Laney> might make loading it slower but then you can eliminate or not this part
[09:19] <jgdx> right, that's fine, but should it run twice?
[09:20] <Laney> no probably not
[09:20] <Laney> I'm suggesting that you find out if this is the real problem if that is the bug you want to fix
[09:20] <Laney> if it runs twice but has 0 impact then maybe a lower priority
[09:23] <undertasker> My GPS stopped working again, but I'm not in the mood to do another factory reset. Any other ideas?
[09:24] <jgdx> Laney, okay.
[09:25] <Laney> jgdx: Seems you're supposed to use moveToThread now, that's probably worth doing too
[09:25] <jgdx> Laney, right. Does this mean that signals from the worker is handled in the gui thread?
[09:26] <jnxd> Stanley00: Thanks for the tip. Though now I'm wondering if doing anything such will void the warranty. I got it in my hands literally hours ago.
[09:27] <Stanley00> jnxd: Sadly I'm sure about that.
[09:27] <undertasker> mcphail: Same here. Tweaked Dekko to not suspend, enabled notifications, rebooted. I can see the number of new mails in the icon after a while, but no notifications.
[09:29] <Stanley00> jnxd: I don't have my phone here now. Can you check the wifi setting to see if there's any enterprise authentication method besides wpa2?
[09:29] <Laney> jgdx: maybe, but it's not meant to do much work there
[09:29] <Laney> jgdx: it might not be wise to emit resultReady for every single location
[09:30] <Laney> maybe batch these
[09:30] <jgdx> Laney, yes, this event is seen by the model object quite often.
[09:32] <jnxd> Stanley00: It's not even showing WPA2
[09:32] <jnxd> just an IP
[09:34] <jnxd> I'm using my own laptop as a hotspot, and it's using WPA
[09:41] <Stanley00> jnxd: hmm... look like the only method you can try is the link above. You may ask your provider if you care about warranty
[09:43] <jnxd> Stanley00: that'd be bq, most like. I'll look around
[09:43] <jnxd> thanks
[09:53] <Laney> blah
[09:53] <Laney> is the wily image just busted?
[09:53] <Laney> applications (including scopes) just don't start
[09:53] <popey> probably
[09:53] <popey> its never tested
[09:54] <Laney> wah
[09:55] <mcphail> Hmm - odd. Just got a proper email notification through
[09:55] <ogra_> Laney, indeed it is ... gcc transition ...
[09:56] <ogra_> Laney, the C++ libs wont be able to run the apps ... needs a new framework definition and rebuilds for all apps against that new framework
[09:56] <Laney> even the in archive things?
[09:56] <ogra_> not sure about them ...
[09:56] <Laney> the "Scopes" thing doesn't start
[09:56] <ogra_> depends on their deps i guess
[09:56] <Laney> and neither does ubuntu-system-settings
[09:57] <Laney> how can I get a shell on this thing?
[09:58] <ogra_> hmm, yyou have no terminal app either i guess ?
[09:59] <ogra_> silly question ... indeed if you have no scopes you couldnt run it
[10:01] <DanChapman> mcphail: hmm that's odd then. Does the log show anything useful? Also check the IMAP logs under ~/.cache/dekko.dekkoproject/logs. Oh... are you using gmail and using online accounts for it? The notifications won't work for online accounts at the moment if that's the case
[10:01] <jgdx> Laney, it ran twice because, the plugin was instantiated twice (first in pagecomponent.qml, and then choosetimezone.qml). FYI :)
[10:02] <mcphail> DanChapman: I do have a gmail account set up, but I've been testing on my home server IMAP account
[10:03] <Laney> ogra_: I can get to recovery...
[10:03] <Laney> jgdx: oh right yeah
[10:04] <ogra_> Laney, well, you would need to hack one of the persistent android properties to force adb on ... and then hack the adbd upstart job to start regardless of the lock scren state
[10:04] <ogra_> or touch /userdata/.adb_onlock
[10:05] <Laney> how do I touch it?
[10:06] <ogra_> from recovery
[10:06] <ogra_> (it might be mounted as /data not /userdata there though, you have to check ... )
[10:07] <Laney> I have /data/media
[10:07] <mcphail> DanChapman: now I'm getting notification, LED and vibration! I think my phone is getting used to the idea...
[10:07] <Laney> are these meant to be empty?
[10:07] <Laney> also /datadata ...
[10:07] <ogra_> no, but perhaps not mounted by default ...
[10:07] <ogra_> there should be an fstab entry for /data or /userdata
[10:07] <ogra_> moun tit
[10:08] <Laney> oh yes I have this
[10:10] <ogra_> Laney, /userdata/android-data/property/persist.sys.usb.config needs to contain: mtp,adb
[10:10] <ogra_> that will force adb on
[10:10] <ogra_> (create the file if it doesnt already exist)
[10:11] <ogra_> with that and the adb_onlock file in place you should then be able to adb shell into it
[10:11] <Laney> ok I did the first bit
[10:11] <Laney> not sure which is the actual /userdata directory in the end
[10:11] <Laney> /data/user-data # ls
[10:11] <Laney> phablet
[10:12] <ogra_> well, there are subdirs ... like user-data android-data atc
[10:12] <Laney> seems to contain the home directory?
[10:12] <ogra_> if the mount has that, thats the device bcoming /userdata
[10:12] <ogra_> right
[10:12] <ogra_> it contains all writable data
[10:12] <Laney> is /userdata/phablet mounted at /home/phablet in the end?
[10:13] <ogra_> well, /userdata/user-data/phablet iirc
[10:13] <ogra_> its a bind mount in the end ... on top of /home/phablet
[10:16] <Laney> ok, well, I just touched it in /data and /data/user-data to be more sure
[10:16]  * Laney reboots
[10:17] <Laney> FAIL
[10:17] <ogra_> how ?
[10:18] <Laney> device not found
[10:18] <ogra_> (what does adb devices show)
[10:18] <Laney> none
[10:18] <ogra_> hmm, but you edited /userdata/android-data/property/persist.sys.usb.config ?
[10:18] <Laney> yes I made that file alongside the other ones in there
[10:18] <ogra_> hmm
[10:18] <ogra_> then adbd should come up
[10:18] <Laney> even if I could get to the terminal the keyboard also isn't working :)
[10:19] <ogra_> hard to say whats wrong there without logs
[10:19] <ogra_> (you could perhaps capture syslog from /userdata/system-data/ via recovery though)
[10:20] <Laney> how do I get to the system itself?
[10:20] <Laney> is that one of the .img files?
[10:20] <m0n5t3r_> I think you can boot from fastboot mode with an adb-enabled recovery
[10:21] <Laney> yeah I'm in that
[10:21] <Laney> that's how I have any shell to it at all
[10:22] <m0n5t3r_> then you should be able to mount the userdata partition and see the syslog
[10:24] <m0n5t3r_> I had an issue a while ago with the phone not booting at all after a seemingly successful bootstrap
[10:26] <m0n5t3r_> it had a log in /tmp/recovery.log, where it was complaining it can't mount the sd card; popper an SD card in, flashed again and it worked
[10:26] <m0n5t3r_> no idea why, though
[10:27] <Laney> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12334796/ syslog
[10:29] <ogra_> Laney, /var/log/upstart/android-tools-adbd.log ?
[10:29] <Laney> doesn't exist
[10:29] <ogra_> hmm, then upstart doesnt even attempt to run it ...
[10:30] <ogra_> which means  lxc-android-config doesnt emit the android event (which it should do when the container is up)
[10:30] <ogra_> you could bluntly hack the android-tools-adbd.conf upstart job to something like: "start on startup" or so
[10:31] <undertasker> Any help with the GPS, please? It stopped working again after one day. Where to start looking?
[10:35] <undertasker> tvoss, are you here?
[10:37] <Laney> woah
[10:37] <Laney> I got it into "DOWNLOAD MODE"
[10:51] <Laney> now can't get to fastboot any more
[10:51]  * Laney sucks
[10:59] <Laney> did I break something!?!?<"£:%T@KW£:T?KW
[11:01] <undertasker> What device?
[11:02] <Laney> nexus 4
[11:02] <Laney> got it
[11:02] <Laney> was having it plugged into usb messing things up?
[11:03] <undertasker> normally not
[11:03] <Laney> worked first time after I removed it
[11:03] <Laney> could be coincidence
[11:03] <m0n5t3r_> extra button pressed by mistake? :)
[11:04] <Laney> tried like 9999 times
[11:04] <undertasker> Where are the change logs for the rc images? Can't find them
[11:06] <m0n5t3r_> changelogs would be useful, indeed... maybe even displayed when there is an update available
[11:08] <ogra_> undertasker, http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/vivid/ (scroll to the bottom)
[11:08] <ogra_> http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/vivid/20150911.changes is todays build
[11:09] <ogra_> undertasker, where is also a more detailed one at http://people.canonical.com/~lzemczak/landing-team/ubuntu/vivid/
[11:10] <ogra_> hmm, or not, seems lukasz stopped generating them
[11:11] <ogra_> s/where/there/
[11:11] <m0n5t3r_> ogra_: is this rc-proposed?
[11:12] <ogra_> m0n5t3r_, yes
[11:12] <Laney> something is messed up
[11:12] <Laney> start on startup doesn't work
[11:12] <ogra_> then try on dbus or some such
[11:13] <Laney> I made a start on startup foo.conf
[11:13] <Laney> and there's no log file for this either
[11:13] <ogra_> weird
[11:13] <ogra_> talk to the upstart maintainer ... oh, wait ... there is none :P
[11:14] <Laney> someone else try wily plz
[11:14]  * ogra_ hides
[11:17]  * Laney goes around turning over rocks
[11:17] <Laney> found you
[11:17] <ogra_> haha
[11:18] <Laney> so yeah, no idea how to test if this whoopsie stuff works now :(
[11:18]  * davmor2 takes of his ogra_ mask and hopes the real ogra_ got away
[11:18] <popey> Laney: would you like me to test something on a nexus 4?
[11:18] <popey> i have one here I can flash with wily
[11:19] <popey> (I mean, wily isn't used by anyone so it's kinda largely irrelavent whether it works or not)
[11:19]  * ogra_ hugs davmor2
[11:19] <davmor2> Laney: wily mako is in bootloop hell I think iahmad can you confirm I'm not mixing up the devices
[11:19] <Guest38281> i use wily
[11:19] <Guest38281> o_O
[11:20] <ogra_> Guest38281, dont... really
[11:20] <ogra_> wily will never officially see a device ...
[11:20] <ogra_> and is generally broken
[11:20] <popey> never?
[11:20] <ogra_> never
[11:20] <ogra_> wily+1 will :)
[11:21] <ogra_> until then we stay with vivid
[11:21] <iahmad> davmor2, I haven't tried mako myself, I tried krillin and it was. evanwang reported the same problem for mako too.
[11:21] <davmor2> Laney: ^
[11:21] <Guest38281> i can't even compile unity8 on vivid+overlay
[11:21] <iahmad> davmor2, Laney https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1490398
[11:21] <Guest38281> wily is better :))
[11:22] <ogra_> Guest38281, not really, given the C++ stack is completely incompatible
[11:22] <Guest38281> i'm joking :P
[11:22] <ogra_> there was an ABI bump :)
[11:23] <diwic> hmm, my krillin device is black and does not seem to turn on (this was after a reboot after a recent update)
[11:23] <diwic> what tricks are there to see how dead it is and how to revive?
[11:23] <diwic> I'm probably just not pressing the right combination of keys
[11:23] <diwic> to make it boot
[11:37] <Laney> davmor2: no bootloop, I get unity8 but it mostly doesn't work
[11:38] <Laney> popey: if it works then I was going to test if you can enable and disable reporting crashes across a reboot now
[11:45] <Laney> ok I re-flashed with --developer-mode and have adb in session now
[11:46] <ogra_> +1
[11:46] <Laney> so where to look to find out why all is bad? :)
[11:47] <Laney> oh noes, no keypad to enter my pin to unlock the phone
[11:47] <ogra_> touch /data/.adb_onlock ... from recovery
[11:47] <ogra_> that makes it skip the greeter check
[11:47] <Laney> i'm already in
[11:48] <ogra_> ah
[11:48] <Laney> just now can't unlock it :P
[11:48] <Laney> unless there is a way from adb
[11:48] <ogra_> hmm. not that i know of
[11:48] <undertasker> What's now wrong? Get https://system-image.ubuntu.com/channels.json: dial tcp <IP_ADDRESS>:443: connection refused
[11:49] <ogra_> network issue ?
[11:49] <undertasker> No, the rest of the internet works
[11:49] <ogra_> and where do you see that
[11:50] <undertasker> Ah, now it works.
[11:51] <undertasker> When running ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel=ubuntu-touch/rc/bq-aquaris.en
[11:52] <ogra_> ah
[11:55] <Stanley00> quick question: Let say I flash my BQ with ubuntu-device-flash with different channel, does that mean all old rom from BQ is replaced or just part of the rom is replaced?
[12:00] <davmor2> Stanley00: depends how you install and which components have changes
[12:01] <undertasker> Rebooting into recovery to flash
[12:01] <undertasker> Failed to enter Recovery
[12:01] <undertasker> Is this a serious problem?
[12:02] <tvoss> undertasker, I'm around
[12:02] <undertasker> tvoss: My GPS stopped working again overnight.
[12:02] <undertasker> Where should I start looking?
[12:02] <tvoss> undertasker, okay, what is the exact scenario we are looking at?
[12:03] <davmor2> undertasker: adb is not enabled in recovery, you would need to flash with the --recovery-image recovery.img image can be located https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/ChannelsToFlash#Image_Testing_Channels
[12:04] <Stanley00> davmor2: so, if ubuntu-device-flash download the *full* image, and upgrade from that. Does that replace all the old rom from BQ?
[12:04] <undertasker> I got the BQ4.5 two days ago. Did an OTA to latest stable. Then I noticed that the GPS isn't working. Did a factory reset yesterday, GPS worked. Today, some effect as before, no GPS fix.
[12:05] <davmor2> Stanley00: if you change to any channel other that stable it removes the image that came on the phones
[12:06] <undertasker> I just changed to rc channel and flashed r27. Let's see if this changed something.
[12:06] <Stanley00> davmor2: ah, I see. Thank you very much.
[12:07] <undertasker> tvoss: No, still no gps.
[12:07] <jnxd> Can someone tell me whether or not Bluetooth can be used for file transfer in bq aquaris e5?
[12:07] <tvoss> undertasker, so what is the exact scenario in which you are testing whether the gps works?
[12:08] <Stanley00> jnxd: I can receive file via bluetooth, but I don't know how to send file with it :3
[12:08] <undertasker> I tested all GPS applications I could find, none gets a position. SensorStatus shows "Found supported backend", but all position data is empty.
[12:09] <undertasker> After the factory reset yesterday, it worked immediately.
[12:09] <undertasker> Needed only a minute for a fix.
[12:09] <Stanley00> jnxd: and, btw, are you the one ask about wifi with username/password sometime ago?
[12:10] <tvoss> undertasker, the interesting bit is: you cannot be sure that it acquired a fix by gps
[12:10] <tvoss> undertasker, would you mind sending me the output of /var/log/messages and logcat?
[12:11] <undertasker> I'm relatively sure, as I used here in the car on my way home, and it showed the accurate position on the map all the time.
[12:11] <undertasker> tvoss: Already searched for logcat, but couldn't find it. Is it only in the devel images?
[12:12] <undertasker> adb logcat
[12:12] <undertasker> /bin/bash: line 0: exec: logcat: not found
[12:12] <tvoss> undertasker, it should be in the usual images, too
[12:12] <tvoss> popey, ^
[12:13] <undertasker> tvoss: If it is, then it's not in the search path
[12:13] <tvoss> undertasker, that's maybe true, you also might to run it with sudo
[12:13] <popey>  /android/system/bin/logcat
[12:13] <popey> ^
[12:13] <tvoss> undertasker, probably best to adb shell into the phone
[12:13] <tvoss> popey, thank you
[12:13] <popey> np
[12:14] <undertasker> tvoss: Just running find on the phone
[12:14] <tvoss> undertasker, see popey's reply :)
[12:16] <undertasker> tvoss: found it. It's indeed not in the path
[12:17] <undertasker> Does it need parameters?
[12:17] <ogra_> just /system/bin/logcat please :)
[12:18] <ogra_> no need to go through multiple bind mounts for this
[12:18] <tvoss> undertasker, nope
[12:18] <undertasker> Well, it does nothing
[12:19] <undertasker> tvoss: And /var/log/messages doesn't exist
[12:19] <tvoss> undertasker, did you run it as sudo?
[12:20] <tvoss> undertasker, try sudo dmesg
[12:20] <ogra_> undertasker, /var/log/messages has been dropped years ago in ubuntu :)
[12:20] <undertasker> No, dumb. Sorry.
[12:20] <ogra_> alll logs are aggregated into /var/log/syslog nowadays
[12:20] <undertasker> D/mnl_linux( 6919): mtk_gps_sys_gps_mnl_callback: MTK_GPS_MSG_FIX_READY,GET_RTC_FAIL
[12:20] <ogra_> and you say /system/bin/logcat doesnt output anything ?
[12:21] <ogra_> ah
[12:21] <Laney> ok change of tactic, which channel is daily builds of stable-phone-overlay + vivid?
[12:22] <ogra_> Laney, rc-proposed
[12:22] <Laney> thx
[12:22] <undertasker> tvoss: http://pastebin.com/Kinp8YpB
[12:25] <jnxd> Stanley00: yes that was me, the wifi guy
[12:26] <Stanley00> jnxd: I just see my E5, you can connect to hidden wifi network and choose wpa2-enterprise there.
[12:27] <Stanley00> jnxd: wpa2-enterprise is kind of complicated, so you may need to ask the IT in your universe for the right config
[12:29] <undertasker> That's the reason why we have a separate "bring your own device" wifi network here
[12:31] <undertasker> tvoss: Any idea?
[12:33] <undertasker> BTW, when I tested the GPS on my way home yesterday, I noticed that the position jumped to a few kilometers away here and there, for a short time. I thought it was the GPS itself, but it may as well have been a communication problem
[12:51] <Guest623467> ogra_, managed to build wily proposed branch. conclusion wily = the best
[12:51]  * Guest623467 hide
[12:51] <ogra_> lol
[12:57] <tvoss> undertasker, looking
[12:57] <undertasker> tvoss: Thanks
[13:01] <tvoss> undertasker, okay, so all the fixes reported by the chipset are marked as invalid (see GPGGA lines)
[13:01] <tvoss> undertasker, it seems like the chipset is unable to determine correct time, I will investigate the issue
[13:02] <tvoss> undertasker, http://aprs.gids.nl/nmea/#gga
[13:03] <tvoss> undertasker, thanks for the data :)
[13:03] <undertasker> tvoss: Thanks for your help.
[13:03] <undertasker> Am I the only one having this problem? Because it's a brand new bq4.5, and i didn't do anything special.
[13:06] <tvoss> undertasker, we fixed a bunch of issues around gps, but I personally haven't seen this rtc issue before
[13:07] <undertasker> may pop up more frequently, now that the bq phones arrived in stores all over the world.
[13:10] <jnxd_> Stanley00: I hope you haven't replied in the time I got disconnected :/
[13:12] <Stanley00> jnxd_: did you get this? "you can connect to hidden wifi network and choose wpa2-enterprise there."
[13:13] <jnxd_> Stanley00: yes. To that I asked if you were able to get options for all username, password, and proxy.
[13:14] <Stanley00> jnxd_: I didn't get your question then. You can set username, password, but I'm not sure about proxy, let me check for that
[13:14] <jnxd_> Stanley00: I'll try asking the IT guy but I'm not sure how interested and experienced he'd be with ubuntu phones.
[13:15] <jnxd_> Stanley00: Sorry my institute's network is kinda peculiar in all these terms
[13:16] <Stanley00> jnxd_: with wpa2-enterprise, you need to know at least authentication method, I think the IT guys can help you with that.
[13:17] <Stanley00> jnxd_: about the proxy, I can't see anything like that in the setting :(
[13:19] <jnxd_> Stanley00: okay then. It'd be progress if we can get to even a username.
[13:20] <Stanley00> jnxd_: ah, found it, you can follow this url, http://askubuntu.com/questions/614462/network-proxy-settings-bq-aquaris-e4-5 , but it's not so easy
[13:23] <jnxd_> Stanley00: I guess I'm gonna soon say bye bye to my warranty :/
[13:25] <Stanley00> jnxd_: haha... I think I lot that 2 days after I got mine. It's totally worth it for rc image :3
[13:26] <jnxd_> rc image?
[13:26] <jnxd_> say, do you get OTA's?
[13:27] <jnxd_> I will probably survive the warranty voidance, but It's gonna be a royal pain if I lose that.
[13:27] <undertasker> Configuring Linux to use a proxy is always a pain in the back. You'll always find programs that ignore the environment variables. I gave up and use sshuttle instead.
[13:28] <undertasker> Stanley00: Is there an overview of differences/new functions between stable and rc?
[13:30] <Stanley00> undertasker: well, I'm currently on rc-proposed. I usually get update daily :3
[13:30] <ogra_> undertasker, stable and rc are essentially the same
[13:31] <undertasker> So I should try rc-proposed. maybe the gps problem is fixed then.
[13:31] <ogra_> rc is just the final QA stage before an image goes into stable ... it will only get updated shortly before a stable promotion
[13:31] <Stanley00> jnxd_: well, I think you can just reflash the rom from BQ and no one will know about what you did :P
[13:31] <ogra_> rc-propoased is the automated daily build ... without any QA
[13:32] <Stanley00> undertasker: yeah, I would not recommend rc-proposed for daily use.
[13:33] <undertasker> So rc it is.
[13:34] <jibel> ogra_, we QA rc-proposed. there are automated sanity tests, weekly manual review, and bi-weekly exploratory testing
[13:36]  * ogra_ uses it daily :)
[13:36] <ogra_> bu you need to be aware that bugs or regressions can slip through
[13:36] <ogra_> code that lands gets a lot of QA before landing, usually it is relatively safe to use
[13:36] <ogra_> it is jjust missing the final QA of the code in context with the built image
[13:36] <Stanley00> jibel: I just knew about the automated test. What is the result of weekly and biweekly test then?
[13:37] <ogra_> jibel, you Qa rc-proposed the same time as users use it ;)
[13:37] <ogra_> so if i user rc-proposed i dont have any QA
[13:37] <jibel> ogra_, true :)
[13:37] <ogra_> :)
[13:38] <ogra_> undertasker, as i said, rc is exactly the same as stable ... until a few days before a new stable goes out
[13:38] <ogra_> it is the staging space for the final stable image
[13:38] <ogra_> you either want stable ot rc-proposed ... using rc makes not much sense unless you want to help with final testing of stable images
[13:40] <jibel> Stanley00, as ogra_ said we don't block rc-proposed builds on failed results but identify issues to fix before the OTA. So if you use rc-proposed you might hit regressions  that would have been blocked in the stable image.
[13:40] <ogra_> but you also see the fixes coming in :)
[13:40] <jibel> yeah otherwise no release ;)
[13:41] <undertasker> I'll try rc-proposed. The phone is new, so I won't lose important data if I have to reflash and reset it.
[13:42] <undertasker> I'll reset it anyway, and look if the gps problem comes back.
[13:42] <Stanley00> jibel: oh, I see
[13:43] <Stanley00> anyway, I just need to install some apps, and copy some MB of books in case of a reflash :3
[13:44] <ogra_> Sd cards FTW :)
[13:45] <stakewinner00> One question about the bq phone. Why BQ e4.5 have 2 sim cards and only 1 SD card? I think it's better to have 2 SD card and 1 sim card...
[13:46] <Stanley00> stakewinner00: what?!
[13:48] <stakewinner00> Stanley00, my bq have two slots for sim cards, and one slot for a SD card.
[13:48] <Stanley00> ogra_: ah, I've never try an sdcard. Can I save all installed apps/config and data on it? Or in other words, can sdcard mount as /home/phablet?
[13:48] <undertasker> you could use one big SD card and partition it in half.
[13:48] <ogra_> Stanley00, currently only data
[13:49] <ogra_> and no, it gets mounted under /media/phablet/ same as on desktop
[13:49] <jgdx> bfiller, mpt, kenvandine: /usr/share/zoneinfo fyi
[13:50] <undertasker> BTW: I tried to mount a smb share, and this crashed my phone. Is cifs support even official?
[13:50] <Stanley00> ogra_: ah, thanks. I'll keep my only sdcard for my primary phone then :3
[13:51] <ogra_> undertasker, not yet, no
[13:51] <ogra_> (i dont think we even build the module)
[13:51] <ogra_> undertasker, there is work in the filemanager app going on to use smb mounts in that app ... not sure where that stands, i think popey was involved
[13:51] <mpt> jgdx, binary files? wot
[13:53] <undertasker> ogra_: well, mount did take -cifs as an argument without complaining, but then the phone rebooted
[13:53] <ogra_> well, i dont think the kernel has cifs
[13:54] <undertasker> If only I had Kodi, it comes with inbuilt cifs support
[13:56] <undertasker> Where can I request a kernel with cifs support?
[13:57] <ogra_> sounds like a good project to learn click packing ;)
[13:57] <undertasker> I don't need a file manager, i just want to mount a network share.
[13:57] <ogra_> (well, probably not ... kodi isnt actually for starters i guess :) )
[13:57] <ogra_> yeah, i doubt we'll support it in kernel
[13:58] <ogra_> you would have to roll a module yourself
[13:58] <undertasker> Well, someone in the mood to build the modules?
[13:59] <undertasker> Ok ok, I'll install a build environment myself.
[14:00] <undertasker> What do i need? md4.ko, cifs.ko, nls_utf8.ko ?
[14:00] <ogra_> no idea
[14:01] <ogra_> i'd use menuconfig on the kernel source and diff the two configs (before and after enabling cifs)
[14:01] <undertasker> Not the worst idea.
[14:01] <Guest623467> so guys... scrolling inertia died in all webaps
[14:02] <Guest623467> inertia dead X-(
[14:02] <Guest623467> is there a way to debug this? i have no idea how
[14:02] <undertasker> jtag to the phone
[14:02] <ogra_> Guest623467, try swiping to the app overview, then see if it scrolls again
[14:02] <ogra_> i noticed something similar the last days on my MX4
[14:03] <Guest623467> ogra_, nope. inertia still dead :D
[14:03] <Guest623467> yep i'm on mx4
[14:03] <ogra_> Guest623467, well, then in the app log
[14:03] <Guest623467> "stable"
[14:04] <Guest623467> and someone helped me to build unity8 on vivid+overlay :))
[14:04] <Guest623467> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1494704
[14:04] <Guest623467> i still have to try it :>
[14:10] <Guest623467> ogra_, https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1494770
[14:11] <ogra_> Guest623467, oooh, *that* ... try holding the home button til it goes to the home screen then go back to the app
[14:11] <ogra_> i noticed that too, must be realted to touching the home button during scrolling or so
[14:12] <Guest623467> ogra_, omg that worked :D
[14:13] <ogra_> pmcgowan, ^^
[14:13] <ogra_> thats around since a while
[14:13] <Guest623467> should i add it to the bug report?
[14:13] <ogra_> another issue that i didnt file yet is that the home button stays active if you lock the screen
[14:13] <ogra_> i just added it ;)
[14:13] <Guest623467> :))) yay
[14:14] <ogra_> that stayig active is really annoying ... if you put down the phone you accidentially touch it because you hold it where the button is ... and if you unlock your app went to bg
[14:15] <pmcgowan> ogra_, you punged?
[14:15] <Guest623467> yep pretty annoying
[14:15] <ogra_> pmcgowan, bug 1494770
[14:15] <ogra_> pmcgowan, for your collection :)
[14:16] <pmcgowan> ogra_, why does that fix it?
[14:16] <ogra_> there is another one where scrolling hangs completely
[14:16] <pmcgowan> bah
[14:16] <ogra_> and only moves on if you shortly switch to the spread
[14:16] <pmcgowan> ogra_, is this only webapps?
[14:17] <ogra_> pmcgowan, i rarely use other apps, hard to tell :)
[14:17] <ogra_> but i think so
[14:17] <pmcgowan> ok
[14:17] <Guest623467> only webapps works with qml
[14:35] <Guest623467> ogra_, are you on the stable channel on mx4?
[15:10] <kenvandine> Elleo, any update on that bug with unity8 when malit restarts?
[15:10] <kenvandine> Elleo, and what's the bug number?
[15:17] <cwayne_> is it possible to have a usermetrics string take a variable for units?
[15:19] <Elleo> kenvandine: will just try to find it, I think jgdx opened the bug we reported for it, but greyback mentioned that it was a known issue with the shell rejecting OSK connections after a restart that I think he said dandrader|afk had been looking at?
[15:20] <Elleo> kenvandine: here we go: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1492185
[15:20] <kenvandine> Elleo, thx
[15:21] <Elleo> no problem :)
[15:23] <kenvandine> dandrader|afk, any eta on a landing for the fix for bug 1492185?
[15:39] <dandrader> kenvandine, landers are on holiday today
[15:39] <dandrader> kenvandine, it's in silo 27
[15:39] <kenvandine> dandrader, cool, thanks!
[15:47] <popey> Laney: on wily, did you try any pure qml apps to start - like music for example
[15:48] <Laney> I tried... phone? system-settings and something else
[15:48] <popey> all binary apps
[15:48] <Laney> do you see this?
[15:48] <popey> qml ones would avoid the gcc issue
[15:48] <Laney> what gcc issue?
[15:48] <popey> well, whatever the issue is with compiled apps not being launchable on wily
[15:48] <popey> sorry, may not be gcc specifically
[15:49] <Laney> ubuntu-system-settings comes from the archive
[15:49] <Laney> so if there's any ABI issue there we should be worried
[15:49] <Laney> and I didn't have any crashes in /var/crash
[15:49] <popey> hm. okay.
[15:50] <Laney> I could try to look more but everyone tells me wily is meant to be broken which isn't very motivating
[15:51] <Laney> or not 'meant', but not intended to work, or something
[15:51] <Laney> :)
[15:51] <popey> right
[15:52] <sergiusens> Laney, the gcc 5 abi change was unfortunate and basically broke continuity of the 'stable base system' that was supposed to be
[15:54] <Laney> sergiusens: no doubt, but everything in the path to system-settings is in the archive which should be free of ABI problems
[16:05] <morphis> Chipaca: btw. what do you think about that external poller work? (just asking as you seem to be one of the guys being active on this)
[16:08] <Chipaca> morphis: i haven't looked into how it's been done, much, but i did suggest it be done :)
[16:08] <Chipaca> so i'm glad somebdoy did it
[16:08] <morphis> :)
[16:08] <morphis> Chipaca: basically I added a click hook to get a .json file into .local/share/account-polld/pollers/<app id>.json
[16:08] <morphis> which includes the name of the poller executable
[16:09] <morphis> then simply just executing that and parsing the output as json and pushing that out as notifications
[16:09] <morphis> misses security things completely atm
[17:21] <jgdx> dandrader, re: silo 27. Would it be possible to confirm that the test fixes the failing test before landing?
[17:21] <jgdx> s/test/fix :)
[17:46] <dandrader> jgdx, I guess so
[17:51] <TenLeftFingers> I'm in a Pillo hotel and the E4.5 doesn't connect to the network because the browser doesn't present the routers "Start surfing" page as Firefox does on the laptop. Is there a way I can debug/provide helpful info on this issue for a bug report besides just describing the problem?
[18:55] <TenLeftFingers> Ah, I believe it's covered by this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webbrowser-app/+bug/1422534
[22:27] <Elleo> zsombi: think I've figured out what's going wrong with trailing/leading list items being super difficult to press: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1486008 (comment 13)
[23:06] <designbybeck> best install instructions for phone on nexus 5?
[23:06] <designbybeck> I"m guessing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install but was wondering if any other links are recommended
[23:09] <designbybeck> ah dang, Nexus 5 isn't supported?
[23:09] <designbybeck> Android has been doing crazy things the past few days...so I figured now would be a good time to try. I do have a Nexus 7....guess I could just try it on there
[23:53] <ahoneybun> designbybeck: the N5 is support by a community port


[01:11] <thumper> anyone want a quick easy review?
[01:11] <thumper> https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8754
[01:30] <acwork> Hello, can anybody explain to me what files control the system setting on a LXC container provisioned with JUJU?
[01:48] <thumper> acwork: what problems are you having?
[01:48] <thumper> acwork: also, which version of juju
[01:51] <acwork> Version of juju 2.3, I have installed an openstack cluster and I am trying to set the bridge interface on the LXC containers to a higher MTU.
[01:52] <acwork> I was hoping to be able to persistently set the mtu for the LXC containers.  Not sure how to do that from JUJU.
[01:59] <thumper> I think that juju sets the MTU on the containers based on the host device MTU
[01:59] <thumper> the settings for each particular container aren't touched after creation
[01:59] <thumper> so the standard lxc commands on the host could be used to tweak the containers
[02:08] <acwork> So if I set the mtu via dhcp then the container should inherit the that on creation?
[02:08] <kelvinliu_> would anyone have a quick look this tiny fix ?  https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8755  thanks.
[02:16] <acwork> not having luck with the lxdbr0 interface mtu
[02:20] <thumper> acwork: I'm sorry, you are outside my networking knowledge
[02:20] <thumper> I just know that juju doesn't do anything special with the MTU of the containers
[02:20] <acwork> okay thanks for the response
[02:22] <thumper> kelvinliu_: lgtm
[02:23] <kelvinliu_> thumper, thx,
[02:39] <jam> acwork: bionic or xenial? and what version of Juju? Generally when we create the bridges for containers we should set the MTU on the bridge to the same MTU as the original device, and when we create the MTU for containers we should set it to the MTU of the bridge they are being added to. But as Tim said, I don't think we update that post-create
[02:43] <acwork> Xenial , juju 2.3
[02:50] <anastasiamac> can i have areally tiny review https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8756 (without this change, tabular status with only machines is not separated from controller info)...
[02:51] <anastasiamac> thumper: this is the bit that i have removed from my last pr but really needs to be in :) m checking develop now...
[02:52]  * thumper looks
[02:53] <thumper> anastasiamac: hmm...
[02:53] <thumper> how will this be in 2.3?
[02:53] <thumper> the one we are releasing now?
[02:54] <anastasiamac> thumper: yuck :( but so far i have only seen machine section only... i doubt many systems will have just one section in display....
[02:54]  * thumper nods
[02:54] <thumper> fair enough
[02:54] <thumper> anastasiamac: let's get it merged
[02:54] <anastasiamac> thumper: the scary bit is the one where there could 2 lines...
[02:54] <thumper> anastasiamac: I have one for you
[02:55]  * anastasiamac checking what sections displayed may end up with 2line separation
[02:55] <thumper> why two lines?
[02:56] <thumper> it seems like there needs to be a bit of highter level thought about who is putting in newlines and why
[02:56] <thumper> https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8754
[02:57] <anastasiamac> because 'applications' ended up with a new line and say 'offers'... so if u have an output with application and offers (no machines) u'll have 2 lines... so rare but possible...
[02:58] <anastasiamac> thumper: yes, i could re-work it to ensure that some central place is responsible for newlines...
[02:58] <anastasiamac> thumper: files changed 156!?
[02:58] <thumper> I'm ok with rare
[02:58] <thumper> yeah, but look at the changes
[02:58] <thumper> there are two global replaces :)
[02:58] <anastasiamac> thumper: i thought u'd b... but in the long term, i'd like newlines mngmt :)
[02:59] <thumper> anastasiamac: I agree, we should rework with better logic
[02:59] <thumper> but it isn't urgent
[02:59] <anastasiamac> thumper: k. then don;t worry about my pr. I'll ping when m ready again
[02:59] <anastasiamac> but i'll look at urs :)
[02:59] <thumper> anastasiamac: I approved your PR
[03:00] <anastasiamac> \o/
[03:00] <thumper> anastasiamac: I'm saying we should add better logic later
[03:00] <anastasiamac> well, 'later' will b in the next hour at most ;)
[03:03] <anastasiamac> thumper: lgtm
[03:09] <babbageclunk> does anyone have a nice trick for a scrollable but still refreshing `juju status` command for when you can't just watch status because there are too many applications and units in your model to fit on one screen?
[03:11] <anastasiamac> babbageclunk: use smaller font on ur console to fit everything? :)
[03:11] <anastasiamac> babbageclunk: but srsly, i do not :(
[03:12] <babbageclunk> anastasiamac: done that already but there are limits! I'm getting old. :(
[03:13] <anastasiamac> babbageclunk: yes :( the only thing that i could do was to not display empty sections... is there something in particular that u r watching? maybe u can filter status to only show what u want?
[03:14] <babbageclunk> yeah, that's probably the solution, but it's a hassle in this case since I have lots of different applications
[03:15] <babbageclunk> ooh, I didn't realise the filtering took wildcards too!
[03:16] <babbageclunk> yay thanks anastasiamac
[03:16] <anastasiamac> babbageclunk: \o/
[03:16] <anastasiamac> babbageclunk: yes, we'd need to be very explicit in new docs about how powerful status actually is :D
[04:14] <anastasiamac> thumper: updated 8756 to have explicit start/end section methods... hopefully it's clearer as too what needs to happen...
[04:22] <thumper> anastasiamac: here's one for you https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8757
[04:24]  * thumper takes a deep breath before addressing merge conflicts
[05:06] <thumper> babbageclunk: you around?
[05:06] <babbageclunk> thumper: yup
[05:06]  * thumper waves at alexisb's autojoiner
[05:06] <thumper> babbageclunk: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8757
[05:06] <thumper> babbageclunk: very simple branch
[05:06] <babbageclunk> curses!
[05:06] <babbageclunk> ha, looking
[05:07] <babbageclunk> ooh, that is suimple
[05:07] <babbageclunk> simple
[05:07] <thumper> yeah
[05:07] <thumper> very
[05:08] <babbageclunk> thumper: approved
[05:09] <thumper> thanks
[05:18]  * thumper EODs
[07:34] <manadart> Anyone able to take a look at https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8752 ?
[07:44] <wallyworld> manadart: lgtm modulo a lack of expert LXD knowledge :-)
[07:45] <manadart> wallyworld: Thanks.
[09:47] <manadart> For review; softens the default networking verification/creation when local LXD server is clustered: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8760
[10:45] <stickupkid> manadart: i'm looking now...
[10:46] <manadart> stickupkid: OK, thanks.
[10:49] <stickupkid> manadart: lgtm
[10:51] <manadart> stickupkid: Ta.
[11:45] <rick_h_> stickupkid: watch out, saw some other status stuff landing from anastasiamac, just a heads up.
[11:45] <rick_h_> and morning party people
[12:18] <stickupkid> rick_h_: thanks, will do
[15:23] <stub> cory_fu: Do you know if there is a way to get a wheelhouse.txt like such as ' cassandra-driver --global-option="--no-cython"
[15:23] <stub>  ' to do what I mean? I think I need add options for when charms.reactive bootstrap is installing the contents of the wheelhouse into the venv
[15:31] <stub> hmm, I look out of luck. The base layer is just doing pip install wheelhouse/*, rather than something like pip install -r wheelhouse.txt
[15:31] <cory_fu> stub: Hrm.  I don't think so.
[15:31]  * stub wonders if there is some sort of setup.cfg to override pip
[15:32] <cory_fu> stub: We should probably add something like that.  It does seem like it would be needed for several packages.  I'm actually surprised it hasn't come up yet
[15:32] <cory_fu> stub: A non-ideal solution would be to create your own WheelhouseTactic in your layer
[15:32] <stub> I've tripped over it before, but just used deb dependencies to avoid chasing it at the time
[15:33] <cory_fu> There are some bugs around custom tactics that are only fixed in edge, though
[15:36] <stub> I could stick a file in lib/charms/layer/__init__.py or similar that monkey patches the base layer ;)
[15:39] <need-help> I'll repost this from #conjure-up
[15:39] <need-help> Hi, I'm trying to use conjure-up to deploy CDK, but I'm getting failures both on my Mac as well as using an Ubuntu 16.04 jump box. The Mac attempt fails on the kubectl step, while the Ubuntu jump box fails on the cni integrations
[15:39] <need-help> The CNI integration fails due to not being able to associate an instance profile with a running ec2 instance, but it looks like this is because it takes a few seconds for instance profiles in IAM to finish provisioning
[15:40] <need-help> Can't add a sleep 60s to the bash script because it's an uneditable squashfs read-only mount for snap
[15:41] <stub> cory_fu: It also broke with the 'natsort' package, which declares a dependency in its setup.py of 'argparse ; python_version < 2.7'
[17:04] <cory_fu> I answered need-help in #conjure-up but for posterity, the cloud integration stuff is being overhauled in https://github.com/conjure-up/spells/pull/191 which includes a fix for the profile delay
[17:48] <spiffytech> cory_fu: I'm trying the updated AWS/k8s steps you suggested to needs-help earlier, and conjure-up is failing, with the enable-cni step complaining that 'juju trust' isn't a command. Do I need a newer version of juju to use conjure edge, or that spells branch?
[17:49] <cory_fu> Hrm, it should fall back to setting the config
[17:50] <spiffytech> I cloned the spells branch, and used the Snap conjure-up/juju to do `conjure-up --spells-dir /path/to/spells/repo --channel=edge`. That's all that's necessary, right?
[17:52] <spiffytech> I didn't see any new configuration options for AWS integration either, like I see for e.g., the Helm or Prometheus spells.
[17:53] <kwmonroe> spiffytech: cory_fu: i wonder if it's actually failing, or if the stderr from this is just being displayed: https://github.com/conjure-up/spells/blob/k8s-integration/canonical-kubernetes/steps/04_enable-cni/ec2/enable-cni#L10
[17:53] <kwmonroe> iow, may need a 2>/dev/null if it's just leaky output
[17:53] <spiffytech> Possible
[17:53] <spiffytech> I do get a big red message telling me conjure failed, though.
[17:54] <spiffytech> It tells me to check the generic conjure log, which has this. I can't understand the problem from this alone. http://haste.spiffy.tech/hizexudiru.coffee
[17:55] <kwmonroe> spiffytech: if your deployment is still around, does "juju config aws credentials" say anything?  (don't tell us what it says, btw)
[17:55] <spiffytech> Sorry, I tore it down already.
[17:56] <spiffytech> I can run it again, if there are no other suggested changes to make first.
[17:56] <kwmonroe> spiffytech: you have a local spells directory cloned, right?
[17:56] <spiffytech> Yep, `git clone -b k8s-integration https://github.com/conjure-up/spells.git juju-spells-`
[17:59] <kwmonroe> spiffytech: may as well try to gobble up the stderr if you're gonna run it again.. adjust your spells directory ./canonical-kubernetes/steps/04_enable-cni/ec2/enable-cni to add a 2>/dev/null on line 10:  if ! juju trust -m "$JUJU_CONTROLLER:$JUJU_MODEL" aws 2>/dev/null; then
[17:59] <spiffytech> Okay
[17:59] <kwmonroe> spiffytech: it's just a guess on my part that the stderr is causing conjure-up to bark unnecessarily
[17:59] <spiffytech> Change made, running conjure-up now.
[18:00] <cory_fu> Just having output on stderr wouldn't cause it to explode, but it's possible the check is not falling through as intended or that something else is blowing up and the stderr message is masking or confusing it
[18:03] <cory_fu> It definitely could use the 2>/dev/null bit, though
[18:05] <cory_fu> spiffytech: What channel of the conjure-up snap are you using?
[18:06] <spiffytech> GA
[18:06] <spiffytech> GA download, plus the --channel=edge flag when running it on the command line
[18:11] <cory_fu> Ok, mine failed on the AWS charm, which died with "AWS was not able to validate the provided access credentials"
[18:12] <cory_fu> I've not seen that before
[18:13] <cory_fu> Wait, that's odd.  I have another model from another run, and that's the one that failed
[18:13] <cory_fu> Oh, ha.  Now they've both failed.  Lovely
[18:15] <cory_fu> It looks like it's not setting the credentials correctly via the config options
[18:15] <spiffytech> kwmonroe: I reran conjure-up and got the same failure. `juju config aws credentials` prints out a single line, looks like a token.
[18:17] <cory_fu> spiffytech: Yes, that's expected.  It's actually base64 encoded.  If you run it through base64 -d, it will have "null" as the key and secret
[18:17] <cory_fu> Which is not expected
[18:17] <kwmonroe> yup spiffytech - me too.  cory_fu, from ~/.cache/conjure-up/canonical-kubernetes/deploy-wait.err:
[18:17] <kwmonroe> DEBUG:root:aws/0 workload status is error since 2018-05-24 18:13:38Z
[18:17] <kwmonroe> ERROR:root:aws/0 failed: workload status is error
[18:17] <kwmonroe> cory_fu: any my aws status log: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wpHGm5nJqv/
[18:19] <kwmonroe> and the hook error: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BVvSTw5JV2/
[18:20] <cory_fu> spiffytech, kwmonroe: Damn.  It looks like the format of `juju credentials --format=json` changed between stable and beta
[18:21] <cory_fu> Anyone know how to tell jq to pick one key or another, whichever has a value?
[18:24] <kwmonroe> sorry, i always have to search stackoverflow anytime i get near jq
[18:24] <jhobbs> two jq's and a grep :)
[18:25] <kwmonroe> yas!
[18:26] <cory_fu> kwmonroe, spiffytech: PR updated, I'm testing the fix now
[18:29] <spiffytech> Great
[18:34] <cory_fu> Seems to be working.  Feel free to pull the branch and test yourself as well
[18:35] <kwmonroe> jq if then else?!?!  i've seen it all.
[18:35] <cory_fu> kwmonroe: :)
[18:35] <cory_fu> I'm sure there's a nicer way to do that, but I like that it's all in one command
[18:37] <kwmonroe> cory_fu: updated branch and juju config aws credentials is 2legit2quit
[18:39] <cory_fu> kwmonroe: I'm glad that spiffytech helped catch this before stokachu's merge finger got too twitchy.  ;)
[18:40] <kwmonroe> lool, true dat
[18:42] <kwmonroe> cory_fu: remind me the order of step scripts.. it's before-config, before-wait, and after-deploy, right?  and the before-wait happens when you click the final Deploy button?
[18:43] <cory_fu> kwmonroe: Yep.  It's a little confusing, because before-wait is after the deploy is started but before juju-wait is called.  after-deploy is after juju-wait finishes, and is a legacy name
[18:44] <cory_fu> kwmonroe: This list is in order of the phases, though it's not explicit about exactly when each is run: https://github.com/conjure-up/conjure-up/blob/master/conjureup/consts.py#L41-L46
[18:44] <cory_fu> I should at least add comments there
[18:51] <cory_fu> Have to run, changing locations again
[18:51] <cory_fu> bbiab
[18:56] <kwmonroe> cool cory_fu! TIL more phases
[18:57] <kwmonroe> cory_fu: my deployment completed with the updated spells branch. nice job!
[18:57] <kwmonroe> spiffytech: ^^ fyi
[19:01] <spiffytech> Excellent! Thanks a bunch!
[21:05] <bdx> kwmonroe: supsup
[21:05] <bdx> kwmonroe: cs:~omnivector/slurm-node and cs:~omnivector/slurm-controller
[21:10] <kwmonroe> roger that bdx
[21:16] <bdx> kwmonroe: thanks
[21:16] <bdx> Oooo a shiny https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nCcvwKjfMZ/
[21:21] <kwmonroe> bdx: took 'em both to the prom
[21:22] <bdx> kwmonroe: I see that, thank you!
[21:24] <zeestrat> Yay
[21:43] <cory_fu> kwmonroe: I made a small update to the logging in the spell PR; mind taking a look?
[22:38] <thumper> rick_h_: not sure if you are around, but know status of https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1770051 ?
[22:38] <mup> Bug #1770051: ERROR detecting credentials for "localhost" cloud provider: adding certificate "juju": Unknown request type  <lxd> <juju:Fix Committed by manadart> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1770051>
[22:40] <rick_h_> thumper: per the bug that's fixed last week?
[22:40] <thumper> rick_h_: yeah... got an email from the bug from ryan saying he is still seeing it
[22:40] <thumper> just looking up the hash
[22:41] <thumper> rick_h_: hmm... the comment mentions c173 which is tip of develop
[22:41] <thumper> bollocks
[22:44] <veebers> kelvinliu: ah, that seems like the issue you where hitting the other day ^^
[22:47] <rick_h_> thumper: where's the email?
[22:47] <rick_h_> thumper: I don't see anything in the bug that ryan commented
[22:53] <rick_h_> thumper: do you mean this one? https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1771885
[22:53] <mup> Bug #1771885: bionic: lxd containers missing search domain in systemd-resolve configuration <bionic> <network> <juju:Fix Committed by ecjones> <juju 2.3:Fix Released by ecjones> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1771885>
[22:53] <rick_h_> that one has some back/forth right now as we collect more details on the failure from the OS folks
[22:58]  * rick_h_ steps back away and will keep an eye out for thumper replies
[23:13] <thumper> rick_h_: no, I was getting emails on that bug
[23:14] <thumper> rick_h_: although ryan is now saying it is resolved...
[23:14] <thumper> I'm confused
[23:15] <thumper> but looks now like we are good
[23:20] <kelvinliu> veebers, yes, i got this error before on lxc 3.
[23:45] <wallyworld> vino: just a few small tweaks. the main one is to re-use the existing addService struct in the status test, instead of making a new one. plus the handing of endpoint bindings in the status formatter - the value can be assigned directly rather than making a map and copying values
[23:47] <vino> wallyworld: ok let me take a look.


[00:01] <arand> When I'm running a script from hydrazine which wants to authorize access I'm getting "Please input your password for the keyring" which password does this refer to?
[00:02] <arand> (after I've authorized access via the web browser)
[00:21] <arand> ^ Hmm, it appears I worked ym way around it by installing python-gnomekeyring...
[02:44] <tsmith> I cannot for the life of me figure out how to create a release for a project of mine!! I can't eeven find the place to create milestones! I've googled for about 3 hours now. Please please please someone help.
[02:48] <lifeless> tsmith: whats the project?
[02:49] <wgrant> tsmith: You create milestones and releases inside a series of your project. https://help.launchpad.net/Projects/SeriesMilestonesReleases might be a helpful overview of the model.
[02:49] <tsmith> https://launchpad.net/phpu-training
[02:49] <wgrant> (if you don't know what a series is, you probably want trunk)
[02:49] <tsmith> i want the release off of trunk.
[02:49] <lifeless> tsmith: click on 'trunk series  ' on the left hand side of https://launchpad.net/phpu-training
[02:50] <lifeless> tsmith: then click on 'create release' on the mid-right side of the page.
[02:50] <tsmith> oh oh my god
[02:50] <tsmith> lifeless, thank you so very very very much.
[02:51] <tsmith> lifeless, what is a milestone, exactly?
[02:51] <tsmith> LIke the reason I'm releasing this is b/c i finished the multiauth library..
[02:51] <tsmith> is that the milestone?
[02:52] <lifeless> a milestone is an arbitrary marker
[02:52] <lifeless> project downloads hang off of releases, which hang off of milestones.
[02:53] <tsmith> do milestone names have to be unique across all of launchpad?
[02:53] <lifeless> they have to be unique in your project
[02:54] <tsmith> lifeless, you're much much much better than the existing documentation (http://blog.launchpad.net/coming-features/linking-project-releases-in-launchpad-to-milestones)
[07:57] <IlikeMoose> how long after submitting a bug to launchpad should you expect to see a response email containing the number of the bug if it has been accepted?
[08:34] <czajkowski> IlikeMoose: straight away
[08:44] <mgedmin> any ideas why 'curl https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1031642/+attachment/3244425/+files/logs2html.py.diff' produces no output?
[08:44] <mgedmin> wget -O - on the same URL works fine
[08:45] <wgrant> mgedmin: curl doesn't follow redirects by default, probably.
[08:45] <mgedmin> oh, really? wow
[08:45] <Peng> Yeah, curl -v looks like it isn't following the redirect.
[08:45] <wgrant> The -L option may be handy
[08:46] <mgedmin> yeah, curl -L works
[08:47] <mgedmin> any reason why launchpad doesn't follow the HTTP recommendation of returning a human-readable body content that explains the redirect and mentions the new location??
[08:47] <wgrant> Probably because every other client in the world follows redirects by default :)
[08:48] <wgrant> But we could.
[08:49] <mgedmin> but, wow, not following redirects by default?  wow, curl, you amaze me
[08:49]  * mgedmin headdesks
[08:49] <wgrant> Heh
[08:52] <jml> hi. https://code.launchpad.net/~james-w/pkgme-service/log-downloads/+merge/117819 has been up for 8 hours with no diff.
[08:53] <wgrant> jml: You'll see that the branch failed to scan.
[08:53] <jml> wgrant: Will I?
[08:54] <mgedmin> in case anybody cares: "Unless the request method was HEAD, the entity of the response SHOULD contain a short hypertext note with a hyperlink to the new URI(s)." -- http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec10.html#sec10.3.3
[08:54] <wgrant> jml: Note the lack of revisions on https://code.launchpad.net/~james-w/pkgme-service/log-downloads
[08:54] <mgedmin> personally, I feel curl is more in the wrong here
[08:55] <wgrant> [2012-08-01 23:50:45,994: INFO/PoolWorker-2] Retrieving history from bzrlib.
[08:55] <wgrant> [2012-08-01 23:50:46,036: INFO/PoolWorker-2] Job resulted in OOPS: OOPS-ed69e1bac8822e89d44b42851ddd520a
[08:56] <wgrant> Bad bot.
[08:56] <wgrant> jml: That branch looks pretty broken.
[08:56] <jml> wgrant: works just fine for me via bzr
[08:56] <wgrant> RevisionNotPresent: Revision {ubuntu@server-13843-20120726154335-qbvhsrci6g53odpe} not present in "Graph(StackedParentsProvider(bzrlib.repository._LazyListJoin(([CachingParentsProvider(CallableToParentsProviderAdapter(<bound method CHKInventoryRepository._get_parent_map_no_fallbacks of CHKInventoryRepository('lp-internal:///~james-w/pkgme-service/log-downloads/.bzr/repository')>))], []))))".
[08:58] <wgrant> Um
[08:58] <wgrant> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1124876/
[08:59] <wgrant> revno: 1
[08:59] <wgrant> modified: src/djpkgme/tasks.py
[08:59] <wgrant> Something is a little off.
[08:59] <wgrant> jml: How does it look for you?
[08:59] <jml> wgrant: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1124878/
[09:00] <wgrant> last-revision looks correct...
[09:00] <wgrant> Right, that's a bit more plausible.
[09:00] <wgrant> But you cheated by using an existing repo :)
[09:02] <wgrant> jml: bzr check on the lp: URL crashes
[09:02] <jml> wgrant: ah ok.
[09:03] <wgrant> wgrant@lamuella:/tmp$ bzr branch lp:~james-w/pkgme-service/log-downloads
[09:03] <wgrant> bzr: ERROR: No such file: 'homepage.html-20120313222053-nn7riwtsskyte0l2-1'
[10:05] <om26er> hey! wasn't the dowtime supposed to start at 11am UTC ?
[10:06] <om26er> i see this http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=223007
[10:07] <mgz> om26er: this is the normal fastdowntime... plus some scrambling
[10:08] <om26er> mgz, when is it expected to get back ?
[10:08] <wgrant> 7 minutes ago :)
[10:10] <om26er> ah working now :)
[10:14] <wgrant> om26er: Yeah, sorry, a bit of a glitch with the DB patching process.
[10:14] <wgrant> Something caused replication lag during the patch, which glued everything up.
[10:15] <om26er> wgrant, all fixed now ;-)
[10:15] <wgrant> Yep
[10:15] <wgrant> Note that we still have PPA build downtime at 11UTC
[13:22] <cjohnston> Outside of events such as UDS, is 'participation essential' for blueprints really used for anything/capable of anything, or is it no different than subscribing to a blueprint?
[13:24] <czajkowski> cjohnston: sprints use them
[13:25] <cjohnston> How do sprints use the participation essential? do things get scheduled around that?
[13:26] <czajkowski> cjohnston: not sure about that perhaps to track them for their work
[13:26] <czajkowski> cjohnston: why do you ask ?
[13:27] <cjohnston> changes to summit that I want to discuss the wording on participation essential
[13:28] <czajkowski> cjohnston: post to lp users
[13:29] <czajkowski> cjohnston: or https://launchpad.net/~launchpad-dev  might make more sense
[17:44] <SpamapS> Something broken on code hosting?
[17:44] <SpamapS>      6kB     4kB/s | Fetching revisions:Get stream source
[17:44] <SpamapS> bzr pull's keep stopping there
[18:45] <SpamapS> !losaping
[18:47] <lifeless> SpamapS: thats not watched for on this channel
[18:47] <lifeless> SpamapS: or anywhere these days :)
[18:47] <SpamapS> ah
[18:47] <SpamapS> well, I cannot push or pull lp branches
[18:47] <lifeless> a) its webops now, and b) they are insulated from random public queries ;)
[18:48] <lifeless> SpamapS: testing myself
[18:49] <lifeless> SpamapS: I see similar symptoms; escalating
[18:54] <lifeless> SpamapS: try having more patience
[18:54] <lifeless> SpamapS: took 6 minutes for my test; clearly something bong
[19:09] <SpamapS> Write failed: Broken pipe
[19:09] <SpamapS> lifeless: not going so well for me.. been waiting about 5 minutes
[19:10] <czajkowski> SpamapS: well they are working on it atm
[19:14] <SpamapS> czajkowski: thanks, I'll just wait for a status update :)
[19:15] <cielak> hello everyone
[19:15] <cielak> I have a problem pushing bzr branches to launchpad
[19:15] <cielak> can anyone give me a hand?
[19:15] <czajkowski> cielak: yes we curretnly have some code hosting isues
[19:16] <cielak> alright, then I will wait patiently, thanks czajkowski!
[19:18] <dobey> i wonder if my missing UDD branch update is due to similar/same issue
[19:19] <czajkowski> dobey: I suspect so
[19:19] <mmrazik> thedac: srry. I was on different server
[19:20] <thedac> mmrazik: czajkowski lifeless: so mmrazik's script is polling sequentially but I suspect may be the cause of the codehosting degredation
[19:20] <dobey> czajkowski: did the issues start yesterdayish?
[19:20] <czajkowski> dobey: it's intermittent
[19:20] <dobey> ah
[19:21] <thedac> mmrazik: can the script be stopped for a few minutes to see if things clear up and we can confirm that is the problem?
[19:23]  * mmrazik is thinking
[19:23] <thedac> mmrazik: how long has this script been running?
[19:24] <mmrazik> thedac: months
[19:24] <thedac> oh, interesting
[19:25] <mmrazik> thedac: but we are adding projects so the number is probably growing
[19:26] <thedac> possibley we hit a tipping point
[19:26] <thedac> possibly
[19:27] <dobey> is it constantly polling bzr branches directly or something?
[19:27] <czajkowski> thedac: could be the two scripts combined from the QA folks doing this :/
[19:27] <mmrazik> there is jenkins polling the bzr branches
[19:28] <mmrazik> and the other script is using launchpadlib to check for new merge proposals
[19:28] <thedac> yeah, these are the top connections https://pastebin.canonical.com/71404/
[19:29] <thedac> mmrazik: you can see yours and victors are far and away the greatest number
[19:29] <mmrazik> right
[19:29] <mmrazik> let me shutdown our jenkins to see if it helps
[19:29] <mmrazik> ok?
[19:29] <czajkowski> mmrazik: thanks
[19:30] <thedac> sounds good
[19:30] <mmrazik> thedac, czajkowski: done
[19:31] <mmrazik> but TBH if we are then problem then we are probably screwed
[19:31] <mmrazik> and essentially I have no idea how we can do continuous integration
[19:32] <thedac> I still see victor's connections comming in. but let's test as is
[19:32] <james_w> mmrazik, why do you have to poll the branches if you are polling the merge proposals?
[19:33] <dobey> oh wow. that's a lot more connections than u1 even
[19:34] <mmrazik> james_w: right. When thinking about it the bzr polling is relatively small part of it and you are right we don't need it
[19:34] <mmrazik> in most cases the polling is on a daily basis anyway
[19:34] <mmrazik> so it shouldn't be responsible for huge numbers
[19:34] <mmrazik> I mean the bzr polling
[19:35] <james_w> mmrazik, those connection numbers don't suggest daily polling
[19:35] <james_w> unless you have 30000 projects
[19:36] <mmrazik> james_w: right. What I'm saying is that that most of the projects are just watching for new merge proposals (every 5 minutes)
[19:36] <mmrazik> instead of polling daily on bzr trunk
[19:36] <james_w> mmrazik, the merge proposal polling isn't included in those numbers
[19:36] <mmrazik> oh
[19:36] <mmrazik> so its just via bzr?
[19:36] <james_w> those numbers are only when a bzr branch is actuall fetched/checked
[19:37] <james_w> anything using launchpadlib goes over http rather than bzr
[19:37]  * mmrazik is thinking
[19:38] <mmrazik> so it means we are (polling or branching) bzr 30+14k/day
[19:39] <mmrazik> right?
[19:40] <james_w> yeah
[19:40] <james_w> bzr lp:something calls
[19:40] <james_w> or bzrlib.Branch.open() or whatever if you are using bzrlib
[19:41] <mmrazik> right
[19:44] <mmrazik> ok. there is probably something weird happening
[19:44] <mmrazik> as the numbers really don't add up to 30k
[19:44] <mmrazik> let me check once our jenkins is up again
[19:47] <lifeless> who is still having issues ?
[19:47] <james_w> mmrazik, are you using bzrlib at all, or just calling out to bzr?
[19:49] <mmrazik> james_w: I think both. I believe the jenkins bzr plugin is using bzr directly. I start to suspect there might be something wrong in this part.
[19:50] <mmrazik> james_w: we are using bzrlib to do some merging. But that is not happening that often
[19:50] <lifeless> the bzr plugin shells out to be
[19:50] <lifeless> bzr
[19:50] <czajkowski> SpamapS: are you still having issues?
[19:50] <mmrazik> we are essentially using tarmac
[19:50] <james_w> mmrazik, it's sometimes possible to accidentally open a lot of connections with bzrlib
[19:50] <james_w> but if you're using the tarmac codebase it's likely ok
[19:50] <mmrazik> yeah. I'm importing a class from tarmac
[19:50] <mmrazik> and using that
[19:51] <SpamapS> czajkowski: checking
[19:53] <james_w> it's possible that it's that script
[19:53] <SpamapS> still having issues
[19:53] <SpamapS> trying to bzr push to lp:~clint-fewbar/charms/precise/nagios/add-monitors-2
[19:54] <SpamapS> and trying to pull lp:ubuntu/gearmand
[19:54] <mmrazik> james_w: which script. The one using the Branch stuff from tarmac?
[19:54] <james_w> mmrazik, yeah, I
[19:54] <james_w> 'd suspect that over the jenkins bzr plugin
[19:54] <james_w> unless you have the bzr plugin set to poll the branch on * * * * *
[19:55] <mmrazik> I'm just looking at the configs
[19:55] <mmrazik> there are several projects with that
[19:55] <mmrazik> like ~10 or so
[19:55] <mmrazik> which is then ~14k connections
[19:55] <mmrazik> a day
[19:55]  * mmrazik is just changing those
[19:57] <james_w> mmrazik, do you have the poll log from one of those you could put in a pastebin?
[19:57] <james_w> it's possible it calls bzr twice per poll?
[19:58] <mmrazik> let me check
[19:59] <mmrazik> james_w: https://pastebin.canonical.com/71406/
[20:01] <james_w> right, so that's just one connection
[20:01] <mmrazik> I will be changing the configuration now in a batch for all the projects
[20:01] <mmrazik> to poll */15 * * * *
[20:01] <mmrazik> can we check the numbers in two days or so?
[20:02] <mmrazik> I guess the numbers for today will be still high
[20:03] <mmrazik> can I turn on our jenkins now?
[20:03] <mmrazik> (the polling has been changed)
[20:05] <lifeless> SpamapS: please try with -Dhpss and paste the log from that invocation of bzr
[20:07] <SpamapS> its worth noting that bzr break-lock works fine
[20:08] <SpamapS> lifeless: nothing prints out until I ctrl-C the waiting push...
[20:08] <SpamapS> lifeless: then I just get one extra line
[20:08] <lifeless> SpamapS: it goes to ~/.bzr.log
[20:08] <SpamapS> HPSS calls: 16 (0 vfs<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:09] <SpamapS> Oh
[20:11] <lifeless> SpamapS: can you get a hung process going all the time please (e.g. put that in a loop or something)
[20:11] <lifeless> Want to see if we can spot it server side
[20:12] <SpamapS> lifeless: sure its hung now, should I leave that and give you the log as-is w/ the hung process?
[20:12] <lifeless> bac: SpamapS: You guy aren't on the same ISP or anything ?
[20:12] <lifeless> SpamapS: yes please
[20:12] <bac> lifeless: i'm on road runner.  SpamapS?
[20:12] <lifeless> bac: SpamapS: this has roughly the same symptoms I would expect from a pMTUd blackhole
[20:13] <lifeless> SpamapS: can you try pastebinning > 1K of text to paste.ubuntu.com ?
[20:13] <SpamapS> Time Warner
[20:13] <bac> hmm
[20:13] <SpamapS> lifeless: I am trying actually
[20:13] <SpamapS> same failure
[20:13] <lifeless> ok
[20:13] <SpamapS> trying to pastebin bzr.log
[20:13] <lifeless> so, not codehosting per se.
[20:13] <SpamapS> MTU issues?
[20:13] <lifeless> Dis be network biatches.
[20:14] <bac> lifeless: this started happening around 15:30UTC
[20:14] <lifeless> both paste.u.c and b.l.n are in the same network
[20:14] <SpamapS> cpe-76-94-208-1.socal.res.rr.com
[20:14] <lifeless> thedac: ^
[20:14] <SpamapS> thats me btw
[20:14] <SpamapS> 21:  canonical-2.mpr1.bsn004.pnap.net                     95.851ms pmtu 1476
[20:15] <thedac> interesting, a rounting issue perhaps?
[20:15] <thedac> SpamapS: can you do an mtr or traceroute and pastebin it?
[20:17] <SpamapS> http://pastebin.com/GxhHDJ00
[20:19] <SpamapS> dropping my MTU to 1476 makes everything work
[20:20] <bac> SpamapS: adjusted mtu on your router?
[20:20] <SpamapS> anyway, I have to run to lunch. bbiab
[20:20] <thedac> interesting
[20:21] <SpamapS> bac: no I only dropped MTU on this one machine behind my router
[20:21] <SpamapS> so I suspect the others would have the same issue
[20:22] <elmo> there's a currently a GRE tunnel in your path to the UK
[20:22] <elmo> so you (and anyone else with broken PMTUd) is going to be seeing brokeness
[20:22] <elmo> we're changing the routing announcements to work around this (i.e. avoid the GRE tunnel)
[20:24] <lifeless> elmo: we're sure we're not breaking ptmud ourselves - e.g. the tunnel acting as a blackhole [usually if an endpoint is unroutable or firewalled...]
[20:24] <lifeless> ?
[20:25] <bac> lifeless: verified i can push with mtu lowered
[20:25] <elmo> bac: the routing's already been changed; please confirm, you should be coming in via datahop or L3, not internap?
[20:30] <bac> elmo: i cannot confirm.  traceroute is timing out
[20:30] <elmo> bac: try mtr
[20:35] <bac> elmo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1125869/
[20:35] <bac> elmo: so, yes, l3
[20:35] <elmo> bac: cool, thanks
[21:14]  * SpamapS is back
[21:20] <SpamapS> elmo: just to confirm, I am also good with MTU of 1500 now ... and tracepath does not show any MTU drop
[21:51] <lifeless> mmrazik: your job wasn't the issue, but turning down your probes to be less frequent is useful :)