[00:05] <slangasek> lamont: acorn appears to not be helping
[00:08] <slangasek> cjwatson: ok
[00:43] <slangasek> lamont: can you tell me what's going on with acorn? I've killed off the livefs attempts after 5h+ with no response
[01:55] <doko__> uploaded a gcc-4.5 build to the devirtualized ubuntu-toolchain-r ppa, please kill it, if it blocks other builds (should only happen for powerpc, sparc and ia64)
[01:59] <lamont> slangasek: lock file removed.
[01:59] <lamont> go me
[01:59] <lamont> and typo fixed in the @reboot crontab entry that should have done that
[02:00] <slangasek> lamont: oh, bah
[02:00] <slangasek> ok
[02:00] <slangasek> lamont: well, that's much better than the alternative scenarios, then :) will switch back to acorn for the next builds
[02:01]  * ScottK got a couple of armel livefs build failure mails for Kubuntu Netbook, but no logs attached.  Anything I need to worry about?
[02:01] <lamont> slangasek: did you want the existing builds killed?
[02:01] <slangasek> lamont: doesn't matter
[02:01] <slangasek> ScottK: nope
[02:01] <ScottK> OK
[02:01] <lamont>  /bin/bash /home/buildd/bin/BuildLiveCD -s dove -d lucid kubuntu-netbook
[02:01] <lamont> slangasek: ^^ that one is running now, I killed the other one.
[02:02] <slangasek> ScottK: that was me killing off the builds on acorn to move them back to clementine - should have kubuntu-netbook/armel posted in a couple of hours
[02:02] <ScottK> OK
[02:02] <lamont> mostly I'm curious how long it takes
[02:02] <ScottK> I'd appreciate it if someone would binary New libcatalyst-perl.  It's my upload so I shouldn't.  It's got another possible sync request behind it depening on how a depwait resovles itself.
[02:03] <slangasek> lamont: less than an hour would be nice :)
[02:03] <slangasek> ScottK: looking
[02:03] <ScottK> Thanks.
[02:03] <lamont> slangasek: lets see how we do
[02:03] <ScottK> Should be clear enough, perl module sync'ed from Debian.
[02:04] <slangasek> ScottK: done
[02:04] <ScottK> Thanks.
[02:04]  * ScottK hopes before the publisher started...
[02:04]  * ScottK looks
[02:05] <ScottK> Nope, after.
[02:05] <ScottK> No biggie.
[02:12] <ScottK> Would it be possible to respin just Kubuntu ia64 live and alternate?  They were built with obsolete packages because ia64 was behind.  It's caught up now.
[02:20] <lamont> hrm.. that reminds me, I should burn ia64 install media and see how it does
[02:23] <ScottK> I know that port has at least one actual user because I've seen a bug filed specifically mentioning it was with the ia64 version of a package.
[02:23] <doko__> lamont: any idea on the glib2.0 issue on sparc?
[02:25] <slangasek> ScottK: sure - I actually haven't done any ports spins yet except for kubuntu-netbook, I can fire that one off now
[02:27] <ScottK> OK,  powerpc then too.
[02:27] <ScottK> I've got actual testers lined up for that one.
[02:29] <lamont> doko__: none at all.  go ahead and kill faure with it, just make sure you're capturing output off-machine
[02:30]  * lamont updates the chroot
[02:32] <doko__> lamont: I only have a remote machine for testing, so I'd like to play safe. Would you mind an upload not running the testsuite on sparc?
[02:33] <lamont> doko__: try a testbuild of that on faure?
[02:34] <doko__> lamont: just with the disabled testsuite?
[02:34] <lamont> yeah
[02:34] <doko__> doing ...
[02:34] <lamont> slangasek: if you kick ia64 media, I'll go test that tonight, too
[02:34] <lamont> doko__: dist-upgrade is still running, I'll install the build-deps when that finishes
[02:35] <doko__> lamont: I'll try on my local machine first
[02:37] <ScottK> slangasek: A few more Universe syncs if you have a moment: http://paste.debian.net/69817/
[02:42] <ScottK> Also a stack of binary removals (I can put this in a bug if you want a paper trail, but it's in the spirit of the supportable binaries spec: http://paste.debian.net/69818/
[02:49] <lamont> BEGIN fdupes <-- slangasek
[02:49] <lamont> :-(
[02:50] <lamont> doko__: build-deps all there on faure, fwiw
[02:51] <lamont> doko__: if you get one that builds ok on faure, and I'm asleep/afk, feel free to have a GSA make the semi obvious change around 'glib2.0' in /usr/share/launchpad-buildd/slavebin/sbuild-package on one of the sparc buildds
[03:07] <lamont> slangasek: well... the mksquashfs run _started_ before the hour was up...
[03:09] <slangasek> hmm :)
[03:10] <slangasek> well, at least it's parallel :)
[03:10] <lamont> 2-3 minutes before, mind you
[03:10] <lamont> one core.
[03:11] <slangasek> lamont: well, there's http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/ports/daily/current/ if you want to test some ia64
[03:11] <slangasek> (liveCD still building)
[03:12] <slangasek> ScottK: syncs running; looking at the binary removals now, no bug, I'll just point at you by name in the removal message ;)
[03:13] <ScottK> slangasek: OK.    The followon build to libcatalyst-perl succeeded.
[04:08] <slangasek> lamont: ubuntu-server/ia64 done
[04:11] <lamont> ta
[06:55] <ara> morning
[07:38] <pitti> Good morning
[07:41] <ara> morning pitti
[07:41]  * slangasek waves
[08:03] <ara> slangasek, generic tests are not in the tracker for a good reason?
[08:11] <slangasek> ara: sheer forgetfulness on my part about their existence; posted nowv
[08:11] <ara> slangasek, ok, thanks
[08:11]  * slangasek looks over the build set list to make sure he hasn't missed anything else
[08:12] <slangasek> I think that's it
[10:17]  * pitti reviews the current universe packages
[10:18] <slangasek> pitti: mind that audacious is on ubuntustudio
[10:18] <pitti> right, I have the x/myth/studio manifest files here for comparing
[10:19] <slangasek> pitti: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+queue?queue_state=1 helps, sets are marked
[10:20] <pitti> slangasek: ah, nice; is that reliable enough to not having to consult the x/myth/studio CD lists?
[10:21] <slangasek> dunno
[10:21] <slangasek> cjwatson: ^^ is it? :)
[10:21] <pitti> well, I think at this point I check them anyway
[10:21] <pitti> seems the only candidate is mpich2
[10:33] <cjwatson> I would double-check the CD lists if I were you
[10:33] <cjwatson> treat it as a guide ...
[10:42] <pitti> cjwatson: *nod*
[10:45] <wgrant> It's as reliable as the information LP is given...
[10:51] <cjwatson> wgrant: yes, I know - I'm the one giving it the information :-)
[10:51] <cjwatson> so I know how (un)reliable that is as yet
[10:52] <wgrant> Ah, right.
[11:36] <slangasek> ev: bug #543032 is still marked as "fix committed"; is this resolved in the wubi we currently have on the RC images?
[11:37] <ev> slangasek: I just set it to Fix Released.  It's fixed on the RC images.
[11:37] <slangasek> ta
[11:41] <ogra> slangasek, i just hit a prob with a missing option in livecd-rootfs on omap. STRIP_VMLINUZ is not set to no so we dont have vmilnuz in the /target during install, http://paste.ubuntu.com/419134/ would fix that (and also clean up the ugly separate if statement)
[11:43] <slangasek> ogra: what do you mean, "wouldn't save any space"?
[11:44] <ogra> ?
[11:44] <slangasek> your comment in the patch
[11:44] <ogra> its not my comment
[11:44] <slangasek> oh
[11:44] <ogra> i just copied it 20 lines up
[11:44] <slangasek> right
[11:44] <ogra> so we can use the case statement instead of adding a complicated if
[11:45] <ogra> makes no sense to handle it separately
[11:45] <ogra> http://paste.ubuntu.com/419136/ has the full case statement after my change for better understanding
[11:48] <ogra> save any space:  uImage is created additionally, either for use in flash or for use in /boot (fi /boot can be ext2 like in dove) stripping vmlinuz actually breaks the install (ubiquity tries to copy it from casper/ to not also have it in the squashfs)
[11:49] <ogra> in dove or omap images casper only carries uImage not vmlinuz so it wouldnt "save any space" to remove a nonexisting duplicated file
[11:49] <ogra> (that comment is super silly formulated not sure who wrote it)
[11:50] <slangasek> right - it's not that it doesn't save space, it's that it breaks the install :)
[11:50]  * ogra fixes the last sentence to make it clearer
[11:50] <ogra> yeah
[11:51] <ogra> http://paste.ubuntu.com/419150/
[12:06] <lool> slangasek: Just pushed a qemu-kvm fixing the qemu-$arch and qemu-system-$arch man pages; do you think it is reasonnable to include between RC and final or shall I move to a SRU bug?
[12:08] <slangasek> lool: well, doko wanted an update of this package anyway for the static binaries to rebuild against current glibc (which includes code fixes); if we get actual fixes of known bugs in the process, that's better
[12:09] <slangasek> lool: but, since were revving anyway, please fix the qemu-kvm-extras-static postinst to not call 'start' directly as this isn't chroot-safe - it should use invoke-rc.d instead
[12:09] <lool> slangasek: http://paste.ubuntu.com/419170/ is the debdiff I uploaded
[12:09] <slangasek> (there was a discussion on #ubuntu-devel about this a few hours ago)
[12:10] <lool> slangasek: that gives out warnings though
[12:11] <slangasek> lool: not when called from a maintainer script
[12:11] <lool> slangasek: Re-upload ubuntu7 or ubuntu8?
[12:12] <slangasek> whichever you prefer
[12:12] <lool> I'll go for ubuntu8 for bzr imports then
[12:12] <ogra> slangasek, so would it be ok to upload livecd-rootfs with http://paste.ubuntu.com/419150/ to fix omap netbook images ? (only touches dove and omap)
[12:14] <slangasek> ogra: is that the part that has to get uploaded, or the part that lamont has to pull from bzr?  I never remember
[12:14] <lool> In theory this part is pulled daily
[12:14] <ogra> i think lamont syncs the package to the live builder
[12:14] <lool> or perhaps even updated before builds, I'm not sure
[12:15] <ogra> and that happens daily
[12:15] <lool> the part which required manual interaction in the past was the wrapper which calls the real script
[12:15] <lool> (IIRC etc.)
[12:15] <slangasek> the BuildLiveCD sample wrapper
[12:15] <lool> yes
[12:15] <slangasek> ogra: yes, please upload
[12:15] <ogra> thanks :)
[12:16] <slangasek> I imagine we need omap respun after this is published
[12:16] <lool> slangasek: is ubuntu7 -> ubuntu8 http://paste.ubuntu.com/419174/
[12:17] <slangasek> lool: looks good to me
[12:17] <lool> kirkland, doko_: FYI couple of qemu-kvm uploads in unapproved
[12:17] <lamont> BuildLiveCD comes from outside the chroot and is a manual propagation
[12:18] <lamont> ogra: ^^
[12:18] <doko_> lool: mine was just a rebuild
[12:19] <lamont> doko_: does this mean that satinash is getting close on oo.o?
[12:19] <lamont> Started 1 day, 1 hour, 17 minutes, 8.6 seconds  ago.
[12:19] <cjwatson> I've managed to reproduce bug 558382
[12:20] <cjwatson> it looks as though it's something to do with maximising extended partitions
[12:20] <cjwatson> which is nasty - it suggests that there's a possibility of problems any time you have free space around your set of logical partitions
[12:21] <cjwatson> e.g. during auto-resize
[12:21] <cjwatson> I'm working on gathering more information now that I have a saved kvm snapshot that reproduces it
[12:21] <ev> for what it's worth, michaelforrest just ran into that and I'll have logs just as soon as he's done with an install, if you need them.
[12:22] <doko_> lamont: the last succeeding one was 1d 19h ...
[12:23] <ogra> slangasek, uploaded, there is another one char typo fix from lamont in the debdiff he didnt upload yet, hope thats ok
[12:24] <cjwatson> ev: I think I'm good, thanks
[12:24] <ev> okay, cool
[13:38] <slangasek> ev: hmm, usb-creator-gtk gives a wholly non-obvious error message when it doesn't have permissions to read the source .iso... is that worth a bug report?
[13:38] <slangasek> ("doesn't have permissions" -- NFS)
[13:42] <ev> slangasek: yes please
[14:45]  * Riddell cries over bug 567243
[14:50] <kirkland> slangasek: fyi, i'm looking at ttx's rackspace package renames
[14:58] <cjwatson> Riddell: oh in ainm Dé, not another one
[15:01] <Riddell> ainm D?
[15:01]  * slangasek happily absorbs the Irish
[15:03] <slangasek> kirkland: ack
[15:04] <pitti> sounds similar to "nomen dei" -> "in god's name"?
[15:05] <slangasek> yep
[15:20] <cjwatson> yes
[15:21] <cjwatson> D e-fada (e-acute) for the Unicode-impaired
[15:27] <cjwatson> slangasek: right, I've figured out the partitioning problem
[15:28] <cjwatson> the bug is an overenthusiastic application of optimal alignment to extended partitions in partman-base (it's only needed for partitions that directly contain filesystems)
[15:28] <cjwatson> when we try to create a new logical partition next to existing logicals, partman maximises the extended partition to make room, and then minimises it again around the new set of logical partitions
[15:29] <cjwatson> I was incorrectly constraining the maximised extended partition to optimal alignment (which is normally a 1MiB grain)
[15:30] <slangasek> cjwatson: heh, nice!  errata for RC, or is this horrid enough to warrant a respin?
[15:30] <cjwatson> this meant that if the extended partition was non-optimally-aligned at the end (e.g. cylinder-aligned from all sorts of possible older installations), we tried to maximise it, but sometimes actually ended up rounding *down* the end position
[15:30] <cjwatson> which meant that maximising the extended partition failed, so there was no room to create new logical partitions inside it
[15:30] <slangasek> heh
[15:30] <cjwatson> horrid enough> so that's more or less my question
[15:31] <cjwatson> it will fail rather than corrupt data, I think, and it's not new - at least beta-2 had the same problem and I think beta-1 as well.  OTOH I don't think we can release with partman this way, and in some ways I'd rather test it in the RC
[15:31] <cjwatson> but I'm open to either
[15:32] <cjwatson> the diff is http://paste.ubuntu.com/419280/
[15:33] <cjwatson> and for the record it would require respinning everything
[15:33] <cjwatson> so if that's too much of a headache, we can put it off
[15:34] <cjwatson> I'm not sure how to errata it short of "the partitioner might just not work"
[15:34]  * charlie-tca thought it was just my equipment failing at times
[15:35] <slangasek> after hitting the failure, is there any way to recover, other than waiting for an ISO with the fix?
[15:36] <slangasek> based on what I've seen of the ISO testing timeline for the betas, I think a broad-spectrum respin today would push us to Friday on the RC, unfortunately
[15:37] <slangasek> unless we mustered a lot of extra testing support quickly, and that would probably expend our reserves for next week
[15:37] <charlie-tca> For me, the only way out has been to run the liveCD, delete the partitions, then run the install again
[15:39] <slangasek> I'm ok with an erratum of "the partitioner might just not work, and spit <error message>; if you hit this you can delete the partitions by hand, or wait for the final release next week"
[15:42] <cjwatson> there might be fiddly technical ways to recover, such as manually resizing your existing logical partitions to slightly different boundaries
[15:43] <cjwatson> deleting partitions wouldn't be a good recommendation since they'll be people's existing partitions
[15:43] <slangasek> ah
[15:43] <cjwatson> "wait for an ISO with the fix" is probably the sanest recommendation by some way
[15:43] <slangasek> right
[15:43] <cjwatson> ok, so I can drop this into the archive and we can land it last thing Thursday, or something
[15:44] <slangasek> sounds good to me
[15:46] <cjwatson> it should have occurred to me to just try manually laying out a disk matching the reported partman log, and then I'd have found it more quickly
[15:46] <cjwatson> but hindsight is 20/20
[15:58] <kirkland> slangasek: okay, rackspace stuff looks okay, i'm going to approve them from the new queue
[15:58] <kirkland> slangasek: do i also need to remove the old ones from the archive?
[15:59] <slangasek> kirkland: the old ones need removed from the archive, yes
[16:03] <kirkland> slangasek: k
[16:06] <kirkland> slangasek: done
[16:06] <slangasek> kirkland: thanks - bugs reports closed?
[16:06] <kirkland> slangasek: i'll blacklist too
[16:06] <slangasek> ok
[16:06] <kirkland> slangasek: changelog mentioned the bug number; i'll double check
[16:49] <kirkland> is it too late to upload byobu with a newly merged set of translations?
[17:00] <pitti> kirkland: but they would just get stripped anyway?
[17:00] <kirkland> pitti: ?
[17:00] <pitti> kirkland: you might upload the new .po files directly to LP, to shortcut their import?
[17:03] <pitti> kirkland: packages in main don't ship translations (*.mo) anyway
[17:20] <kirkland> pitti: oh?  okay.  where do their *.mo's go then?
[17:20] <kirkland> pitti: how do they get sucked up?
[17:21] <pitti> kirkland: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/TranslationLifecycle explains the whole process in detail
[17:21] <pitti> kirkland: in short, the .mo files are stripped, the po files imported into LP, merged with translation updates, and re-exported into language-pack-*
[17:22] <jdstrand> slangasek: I have an apparmor profile change to address bug #566207
[17:23] <jdstrand> slangasek: I'd like to add an abstraction to apparmor (already in trunk), and then update evince to use the new abstraction. if this is not appropriate, I can just adjust evince for lucid and make said changes in maverick
[17:23] <kirkland> pitti: okay, i'm just realizing i haven't merged translations into byobu in several months, got some complaints from people who contributed translations and weren't seeing them in the package
[17:23] <jdstrand> slangasek: what do you think?
[17:24] <pitti> kirkland: they don't need to be
[17:25] <kirkland> pitti: okay, thanks
[17:26] <slangasek> jdstrand: I think it's appropriate to make the change for lucid, but I'm inclined to defer to SRU - from the bug log, it seems to me that this bug only affects certain remote-display configurations?
[17:26] <jdstrand> slangasek: presumably, yes
[17:26] <jdstrand> slangasek: I can adjust the bug accordingly for SRU
[17:26] <slangasek> and AIUI doesn't block use of evince, just throws some errors
[17:27] <slangasek> so yeah, I think SRU is best
[17:27] <jdstrand> slangasek: no, it blocks evince on a remote display. but there may be an unrelated issue that makes that not work anyway
[17:27] <slangasek> ah
[17:27] <slangasek> still, --> SRU please
[17:27]  * jdstrand nods
[17:28] <ogra> jdstrand, in the case the user subscribes there you dont have any session dbus running
[17:28] <ogra> so evince has nothing to connect to
[17:29] <ogra> s/subscribes/describes/
[17:29] <ogra> even fixing apparmor will not get him running evince
[17:29] <jdstrand> ogra: right, so it tries to start one with dbus-launch (which fails due to apparmor)
[17:29] <jdstrand> ogra: so it isn't possible to get evince running on a remote display?
[17:30] <ogra> well, you need a session dubs running first
[17:30] <ogra> *dbus
[17:30] <jdstrand> ah right, I see what you are saying
[17:30] <ogra> gnome-session does that automatically, if you log in via ssh that doesnt happen
[17:31] <jdstrand> still, the profile should be adjusted, it is then up to the user to get the session bus going
[17:31] <ogra> indeed
[17:31] <ogra> the apparmor issue is definately valid but will likely not fix the issue for the user
[17:32] <jdstrand> ogra: thanks
[17:54] <stgraber> slangasek: ping
[18:55] <doko__> slangasek: I'd like to upload gcj-4.4 for lucid, fixing stack-unwinding on armel, followed by an ecj upload. currently testing on jocote. ok, or sru?
[18:56] <davmor2> Wubi isn't being pulled in on Xubuntu cd's
[19:00] <charlie-tca> That wouldn't require complete retesting, but we do have users that use it
[19:14] <stgraber> slangasek: Quick status update on Edubuntu, we're still waiting on the final artwork, for now we reverted on the old one and I'll try to call Iain Farrell tomorrow morning (just noticed I had written his office and cell numbers ;)). highvoltage is working on a small change in our scripts that will be uploaded in a few hours (I hope), we'll then need a respin to include these changes.
[19:57] <highvoltage> slangasek: package uploaded
[20:49] <lamont> doko__: any progress on glib2.0 vs sparc?
[20:51] <doko__> lamont: no, can look at it tonight. would disabling the testsuite work for an upload? I fear, my machine will be not accessible as well
[21:03] <lamont> doko__: put together a source package with the test suite disabled for sparc, toss that (signed) on faure, and start the build.  I'll check it later and see how it did and then pester slangasek about upload perms. sound good?
[21:05] <doko__> lamont: ok
[21:27] <cr3> I fixed a bug in checkbox which might be release critical, how can I assess whether it's really release critical or whether it should be an sru?
[21:28] <doko__> seb128: while trying to build glib2.0
[21:28] <doko__>  fakeroot debian/rules clean
[21:28] <doko__> /usr/share/gnome-pkg-tools/1/rules/check-dist.mk:19: Unknown distribution: lucid
[21:28] <doko__> what does depend on that?
[21:29] <seb128> doko__, don't bother about that one
[21:29] <seb128> doko__, it's an hook to avoid experimental source upload to unstable in debian
[21:29] <seb128> doko__, it just displays warning in other scenarios
[21:30] <doko__> ok
[21:55] <doko__> lamont: faure:~doko/tmp
[22:13] <ScottK> Unless I'm just really unlucky, Bug 567536 may be important and no mvo.
[23:16] <ScottK> Also, the pending opendkim upload is mine, so I'd apprecaite it if someone would accept it.  The only non-bugfix bit is a build system change that defaults off.
[23:26] <slangasek> stgraber: pong
[23:26] <slangasek> doko__: gcj-4.4, ecj> SRU, I'm afraid
[23:27] <doko__> ok
[23:27] <slangasek> stgraber, highvoltage: ok; so you want a respin for RC with the edubuntu-artwork upload?
[23:28] <highvoltage> slangasek: that would be very nice thanks
[23:28] <slangasek> ScottK: 567536> looks like a duplicate of the one mvo has already been working on?
[23:29] <ScottK> slangasek: OK.  ccheney wasn't sure if it was still a work in progress or a fix had already been 'done'.
[23:29] <ScottK> (which I found out after I pinged here)
[23:30] <ScottK> BTW, I used Ubuntu for the first time today.  The failed upgrade is a new Dell laptop that arrived today with Ubuntu preinstalled.
[23:30] <slangasek> oh no, mvo was struggling with it all day today - I'm quite sure the fix isn't done
[23:31] <ScottK> OK
[23:33] <slangasek> highvoltage: so this upload is the rollback to the previous artwork?
[23:34] <highvoltage> slangasek: eek, no, unless I did something horribly wrong
[23:34] <slangasek> highvoltage: oh, all debdiff is showing me is that there are different logos; I was trying to understand what's going on based on stgraber's comments
[23:34] <slangasek> highvoltage: is this the /final/ artwork, then?
[23:36] <highvoltage> slangasek: we still don't have anything from Canonical, so I decided to replace the place-holders with the old Edubuntu logo, since we don't have any word on when it will be ready
[23:36] <slangasek> highvoltage: ok :/
[23:36] <highvoltage> slangasek: and I'm concerned that the archive might go into deep freeze with a bunch of "New Edubuntu Logo Here" messages in place
[23:37] <slangasek> edubuntu-artwork accepted
[23:37] <highvoltage> thanks again
[23:38] <highvoltage> my dream is that one there will be an artwork team as efficient as the release team :)
[23:38] <highvoltage> s/one/one day/g
[23:50] <bdrung> can someone let audacious in?
[23:57] <slangasek> edubuntu-artwork publishing, ISO trigger set
[23:58] <slangasek> bdrung: it's seeded on the ubuntustudio images, so that would break the RC freeze?
[23:58] <bdrung> ups
[23:59] <bdrung> slangasek: what's the process for seeded packages in the RC freeze?


[02:31] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/8ewxsl3e2t1na6m/AABRwvabCWsS_03wGG2h81R-a?dl=0
[02:31] <daftykins> well that was a mission and a half
[02:31] <daftykins> now it's draining water down to the compressor evaporation vessel properly and is clean inside out \o/
[02:31] <daftykins> now i just need beer to fill it with...
[02:32] <daftykins> maybe food too, but less so on that front
[02:39] <zmoylan-pi> rum cake? :-)
[02:40] <zmoylan-pi> sherry trifle
[02:40] <daftykins> o0
[02:42] <zmoylan-pi> or bernards lolly from black books... http://gifsoup.com/view/2705130/black-books-lolly.html
[02:44] <daftykins> :D
[02:44] <daftykins> never watched that
[02:44] <zmoylan-pi> omg, go get black books
[02:44] <zmoylan-pi> did you like father ted?
[02:44] <daftykins> hells yes :>
[02:44] <daftykins> that's practically law
[02:44] <zmoylan-pi> then black books will press all the right buttons
[02:45] <daftykins> vewy gewd
[02:45] <daftykins> buying the Batman game the other day i got a free bluray of the Dark Knight series, i should throw that in to see how good it looks
[02:45] <daftykins> despite already having a 1080p rip *whistle*
[02:47] <zmoylan-pi> and just in case as you somehow missed black books you have seen the i.t. crowd also from same folk
[02:47] <daftykins> saw an ep or two but didn't get the appeal hugely
[02:48] <zmoylan-pi> you didn't see the 'it's vista' 'we're going to die!' scene then...
[02:49] <daftykins> newp
[02:51] <zmoylan-pi> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UC4vz6IbdtY
[02:55] <daftykins> hmm, i can see how it's meant to be funny
[02:58] <zmoylan-pi> the episode with the german internet cannibal was sublime
[04:38] <MartijnVdS> It begins! http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/07/man-killed-by-a-factory-robot-in-germany/
[04:42] <zmoylan-pi> car making robots have been killing people since the 70s i think
[04:43] <daftykins> RotM!
[04:45] <zmoylan-pi> http://www.thinkartificial.org/aesthetics/the-first-human-killed-by-a-robot/
[04:45] <zmoylan-pi> and that excludes things like torpedos or missiles which have certain levels of smarts
[05:36] <mapps> anyone watching mr robot?
[06:44] <bujji> popey:check pm
[06:45] <mapps> ;]
[06:46] <bujji> :)
[06:50] <MooDoo> morning morning
[06:50] <mapps> morn
[06:52] <bujji> after noon
[07:29] <KnightWork> morning everyone !
[07:32] <SuperMatt> morning
[07:34] <KnightWork> Hey SuperMatt
[07:34] <KnightWork> how are you today
[07:37] <diplo> Morning all
[07:37] <SuperMatt> I'm well thank you
[07:37] <SuperMatt> yourself?
[07:38] <KnightWork>  Yep .. little too warm for my taste.
[07:38] <KnightWork> Little neckpain of working on my laptop too long yesterday
[07:38] <SuperMatt> I'm ok now that I'm in the airconditioned office
[07:39] <KnightWork> Same here , worked from home yesterday and I probably got slow-fried to death
[07:42] <awilkins> Heh, the only downside to working at home ; offices have better temperature control systems
[07:43] <awilkins> Of course, whether they are actually switched on is determined by how cheap your employer / the company they lease the office from / is
[07:44] <popey> i bought one of those portable air con units when wifey was pregnant with sophie 11 years ago, it comes out once a year :)
[07:44] <awilkins> My old employer leased offices from Regus and they were seriously cheap
[07:45] <awilkins> They'd shave any cost - cheaper paper towels in the toilets, turning the knob on the AC in their favour
[07:46] <awilkins> Thankfully that extended to not refilling the poison gas dispenser in the toilet (those automatic "air fresheners")
[08:00] <KnightWork> Camped out at the office today aswell
[08:00] <KnightWork> spent most of the day in my darkened home office yesterday
[08:02] <KnightWork> but being away from people (and sunlight) is not always good
[08:04] <TwistedLucidity> Unless you are a vampire
[08:04] <KnightWork> TwistedLucidity: who says i'm not :p
[08:04] <KnightWork>  :[
[08:05] <TwistedLucidity> Fair warning, I had *a lot* of garlic yesterday....
[08:06] <KnightWork> Been working on my XPS13 for the last couple of days now ..
[08:06] <KnightWork> very pleasant to see that ubuntu is ticking 99% of all my requirement boxes
[08:07] <KnightWork> + the XPS is great hardware
[08:08] <popey> ooh
[08:09] <KnightWork> popey:  ?
[08:09] <TwistedLucidity> I read another review that was less than complimentary, shall see if I can find it
[08:09] <KnightWork> TwistedLucidity: not biting you anytime soon :p
[08:10] <KnightWork> popey: i'm pretty pleased. Aside from the touchpad being a little sensitive on 14.04 i don't have any major issues. battery life is great , i don't have the key-repeat issue ... so all is fairly well.
[08:10] <KnightWork> + the hardware is fantastic
[08:10] <TwistedLucidity> KnightWork: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3bftcu/finally_received_my_dell_xps_13_first_thoughts/
[08:11] <KnightWork> I recorded a podcast about the Dell XPs13  , its been scheduled for release in 2 weeks
[08:11] <TwistedLucidity> Not me, so can't attest to how much of the faults are Dell's, Canonical's or just a case of PEBKAC.
[08:28] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:28] <davmor2> Oddly the Song stuck in my head this morning is popcorn
[08:28] <KnightWork> oh god !
[08:28] <KnightWork> horrible 80's synth song
[08:28] <foobarry> aaaaghghghggh
[08:30] <KnightWork> foobarry: i agree :p
[08:30] <KnightWork>
[08:38] <TwistedLucidity> Axle F
[08:41] <foobarry> jan hammer theme from miami vice. my first 12 inch and i didn't even know what miami vice was
[08:42] <KnightWork> Jan Hammer is a great artist !
[08:44] <KnightWork> or this one : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60HpUaCJO6k
[08:44] <TwistedLucidity> Crockett's Tune?
[08:44] <KnightWork> TwistedLucidity: there are a few better ones . The theme song from Miamy vice is great, crockets theme too ...
[08:44] <TwistedLucidity> I like this theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uB1NiNKwueE
[08:45] <TwistedLucidity> The movie reboot was shockingly dreadful.
[08:45] <TwistedLucidity> Well, it was Hollywood; so no real surprise.
[09:00] <foobarry> this is so epic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQDU-2qMre0
[09:01] <foobarry> jan hammer doing epic faces
[09:01] <foobarry> while watching the programme
[09:05] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy "I Forgot" Day! 😃
[09:12] <davmor2> Man that was close I thought you'd forgotten ;)
[09:22] <TwistedLucidity> Forgot what?
[09:25] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:28] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: I forgot
[10:01] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:29] <bigcalm> Is there a way of managing security releases rather than just running dist-upgrade all of the time?
[10:53] <popey> unattended-upgrades ?
[10:53] <popey> !info unattended-upgrades
[10:53] <bigcalm> Yeah, eventually found what our PM wanted. Just the info, not sure we'll do so though
[10:53] <popey> i run that on my mums computer
[11:01] <davmor2> bigcalm: landscape?
[11:01] <bigcalm> Not for this client. But it did cross my mind as well
[11:05] <davmor2> bigcalm: other alternative install byobu it lets you know when there are updates and reboot's required, also if you tie that in with popey unattended updates you'll get an up-to-date security system that will tell you when there are optional updates and when the system needs a reboot for certain packages
[11:19] <diplo> As long as you login to said server :)
[11:38] <KnightWork> hmm.. i need to setup a raspberry pi with a web - ssh interface. Will be pretty helpful to do stuff when i have nothing to do at work
[11:43] <brobostigon> thats easy KnightWork
[11:44] <KnightWork> brobostigon: i know. I have a spare raspberry pi lying around that can do the trick
[11:45] <brobostigon> :) cool.
[11:47] <zmoylan-pi> otherwise the budget would have killed the project outright... :-)
[12:04] <diddledan> mernin
[12:13] <diddledan> yey for generic mailouts from sales companies. Apparently eBay think I'm likely to be interested in Ann Summers bras and knickers. Well I am unsure how they found out about my weekend habbits...
[12:15] <zmoylan-pi> in this heat you could use the bra as a double barrled water balloon launcher...
[12:15] <diddledan> lol
[13:26] <hazrpg> hey all \o
[13:27] <brobostigon> hi hazrpg :)
[13:27] <hazrpg> I have a quick question for you guys, does anyone else suffer from the system locking up due to going into swap too often? I've noticed chrome seems to be the biggest culprit.
[13:28] <hazrpg> chromium doesn't seem to be any better either :(
[13:28] <hazrpg> brobostigon: hey dude :)
[13:32] <popey> i dont get that, no
[13:33] <popey> I use tab suspender in chrome to pause tabs, which seems to help
[13:35] <foobarry> hazrpg: yes
[13:35] <foobarry> in the last 2 weeks
[13:35] <foobarry> my stable system went unstable
[13:35] <foobarry> it has been fine for last coupel of years
[13:46] <hazrpg> popey: I might have to revert to using that again, I use to use that when I had like 30+ tabs open, but now it seems my system has become unstable after around 10+ tabs - which just destroys my workflow... :(
[13:47] <hazrpg> foobarry: I'm so glad its not just me then!
[13:47] <hazrpg> foobarry: I did think it was weird that for years there was no problems and suddenly a stable ubunut become very unstable.
[13:48] <popey> how much ram?
[13:48] <hazrpg> I wonder if Google, or the lovely contribs of Chromium are trying to fix this, because it is very frustrating
[13:49] <hazrpg> popey: varies, my work pc is around 8GB, laptop has 6GB and my colleague has around 8GB on his laptop, and 10GB on his PC - all with the same problems.
[13:49] <popey>   5.1 GiB + 171.7 MiB =   5.3 GiB       chrome (40)
[13:49] <popey> ho ho ho
[13:49] <hazrpg> ?
[13:50] <popey> where my ram went
[13:50] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11810213/
[13:52] <hazrpg> wowza
[13:53] <hazrpg> popey: how much RAM do you have?
[13:53] <popey> 16
[13:55] <popey> GB :)
[13:57] <foobarry> hazrpg: i haz 8gb
[13:57] <foobarry> i've switched to firefox this week as a result
[13:59] <popey> heh, i switched away from ff
[13:59] <foobarry> my screen freezes and disk light comes on
[13:59] <foobarry> and its sudden
[13:59] <foobarry> my window manager seems not to like low RAM, even if there is swap
[14:05] <hazrpg> foobarry: We're having the exact same problem, we're toying with using FF instead too.
[14:07] <foobarry> strange thing is i used to merrily use 50 tabs
[14:07] <foobarry> now its a much lower number, i think chrome has changed something inthe last 2 weeks
[14:08] <hazrpg> foobarry: I agree, I wish I could roll back a few versions before it broke but sadly my apt cache folder hasn't got any earlier versions in there for me to use :(
[14:14] <foobarry> i wonder if you can succesffully use ulimit
[14:14] <foobarry> to restrict the mems given to chrome
[14:15] <popey> won't it then "ooh snap" when it runs out?
[14:18] <foobarry> hazrpg: could always try the beta version
[14:19] <popey> thats even less stable IME
[14:19] <popey> I went to unstable and then went back, but couldn't because my profile had been upgraded
[14:19] <popey> so had to delete it and start agian
[14:19] <foobarry> but might show quite quikcly if the RAM muncher is dead
[14:21] <celesteh> Hi, I have a friend who is having a weird network configuration issue where both the BBC and Netflix think she is connecting from outside the UK. She was able to sort out the netflix part by changing DNS servers, but still can't access iplayer. Any advice?
[14:22] <foobarry> it sometimes happens celesteh
[14:23] <foobarry> channel4 on youtube often used to complain
[14:23] <foobarry> then the next day it would be OK
[14:23] <foobarry> but netblocks of IPs are wrongly reported with geoIP i think
[14:23] <foobarry> try to get a different IP address from teh adsl provider by turning off the router overnight?
[14:24] <celesteh> thanks, foobary. i'll suggest it
[14:25] <celesteh> Unfortunate when it happens during a world cup semifinal :(
[14:25] <popey> also, you can contact the bbc about it
[14:25] <popey> so they can fix it
[14:26] <popey> https://ssl.bbc.co.uk/faqs/forms/adverts-uk/?eid=&id=VQC3NSDMRLCRQH4UEVM1L0I2GK&mid=&uid=478178997
[14:26] <popey> linked from http://www.bbc.co.uk/faqs/online/website_changes
[14:27] <foobarry> firefox doesn't scroll thru tabs with the scroll wheel :(
[14:27] <celesteh> cheers!
[14:27] <popey> i only ever do that by accident
[14:28] <celesteh> Oh yeah, the firefox thing is a bother. i keep trying to scroll and it clicks on the tabs instead.
[14:28] <Azelphur> Hey folks, I just built a new home server on a Gigabyte B85M-D2V which has a Realtek  RTL8111/8168/8411 NIC. It doesn't work, doesn't show up in ifconfig. I read some stuff which says to install r8168-dkms, which I did, but it still doesn't work, I get "module verification failed: signature and/or required key missing - tainting kernel" out of ideas, halp? :)
[14:29] <foobarry> does dmesg or syslog show any more info?
[14:30] <Azelphur> foobarry: https://dl.pushbulletusercontent.com/r7pvrGfAnPae7UGcoAjvWem7ifbxCTXU/IMG_20150702_153009.jpg
[14:32] <foobarry> where did u download the driver?
[14:32] <popey> is it configured in /etc/network/interfaces?
[14:32] <Azelphur> http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/pool/universe/r/r8168/r8168-dkms_8.039.00-1_all.deb
[14:32] <foobarry> http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=13&PFid=5&Level=5&Conn=4&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false#2
[14:32] <popey> sudo ifup p2p1
[14:32] <popey> or sudo dhclient p2p1
[14:33] <popey> why do you need the driver?
[14:33] <Azelphur> popey: sudo ifup p2p1 -> Ignoring unknown interface p2p1=p2p1
[14:33] <foobarry> good point popey, the module seems loaded
[14:33] <Azelphur> Maybe you're right though and I've made incorrect assumptions about the driver
[14:33] <popey> is it in /etc/network/interfaces ?
[14:33] <Azelphur> no
[14:34] <popey> it should be :)
[14:34] <Azelphur> Adding auto p2p1 | iface p2p1 inet dhcp | iface p2p1 inet6 auto
[14:34] <Azelphur> and rebooting :)
[14:35] <Azelphur> it shows up in ifconfig now, but isn't connecting, dhclient p2p1 seems to hang.
[14:36] <popey> dodgy cable?
[14:36] <Azelphur> testing with laptop...
[14:37] <Azelphur> helps if I plug cable in, works now :)
[14:38] <diddledan> yawn
[14:38] <Azelphur> had it unplugged last night when I was fiddling trying to get it working lol
[14:38] <Azelphur> popey: so yea, just needed adding to /etc/network/interfaces I guess, I clearly went down the wrong path there :)
[14:41] <Azelphur> whelp next problem, looks like kvm is broke, probably because I just switched from AMD to Intel and it's all set up wrong?
[14:41] <Azelphur> "Error starting domain: unsupported configuration: guest and host CPU are not compatible: Host CPU does not provide required features: misalignsse, sse4a, svm"
[14:43] <Azelphur> fixed it, woo, now I'm all up and running again
[14:43] <foobarry> now go and eat ice cream
[14:43] <Azelphur> sounds tempting
[14:44] <popey> Azelphur: yay!
[14:47] <diddledan> icecream!!!?!
[14:47] <diddledan> I WANT ICE CREAM!
[14:47] <Azelphur> https://owncloud.azelphur.com/index.php/s/FBYqZQ7y5Vd9K3Y so shiny :)
[14:48] <diddledan> Azelphur: that's nice
[14:48] <diddledan> I do like that it has storage for 10 disks
[14:48] <Azelphur> yea, gives me a lot of room for expansion
[14:49] <diddledan> it's a nice case
[14:49] <Azelphur> indeed, really like it
[14:49] <diddledan> also it's a fractal design which are usually pretty well thought-out cases
[14:50] <Azelphur> phew, the CPU still takes a major beating doing transcoding
[14:57] <Azelphur> https://owncloud.azelphur.com/index.php/s/Ah00Nl8CVWhpSG8 hehe
[14:58] <TwistedLucidity> Azelphur: You appear to have bought a black box, and a smaller black box. Congrats! :-P
[14:58] <diddledan> lol
[14:58] <diddledan> TwistedLucidity: say it like it is
[14:58] <Azelphur> and a smaller black box? o.O
[14:58] <diddledan> Azelphur: with wires poking out
[14:59] <Azelphur> oh I see, the PSU and case :P
[14:59] <Azelphur> amusingly, I had the PSU laying around, bought it years ago
[14:59] <TwistedLucidity> And you shouldn't be transcoding - that's a crime.
[14:59] <TwistedLucidity> Digital thief!
[14:59] <Azelphur> TwistedLucidity: https://xkcd.com/488/ :)
[15:02] <TwistedLucidity> I wish I had time to do something more proper-er with my own home server
[15:03] <diddledan> lol
[15:03] <diddledan> more propererer
[15:04] <TwistedLucidity> Got KVM on it, ownCloud and then...well...life
[15:04] <diddledan> mine's running freenas
[15:04] <TwistedLucidity> Want to bung a DLNA server on there but...life
[15:06] <Azelphur> TwistedLucidity: Emby functions as a DLNA server along with a bunch of other stuff and is real easy to set up
[15:06] <Azelphur> Emby is very polished
[15:07] <TwistedLucidity> Emby is a new one, was thinking of using "Universal Media Server" as it did transcoding etc
[15:07] <Azelphur> TwistedLucidity: emby does transcoding, and it has a web panel and will stream anything from your collection to you in HTML5/WebM
[15:08] <TwistedLucidity> So does UMS, seems I may need to check out Emby
[15:08] <Azelphur> fun
[15:08] <TwistedLucidity> Also need to figure out how to do multicast-proxying.
[15:08] <Azelphur> emby handles metadata and will act as a backend for kodi too
[15:08] <TwistedLucidity> Or how to correctly firewall the "smart" TVs
[15:09] <Azelphur> hehe
[15:34] <mapps> going to a europa league qualifier in a min;D
[15:47] <diddledan> mapps: are you sure you're qualified to do that?
[15:47] <diddledan> oh right, it's a qualifier, so they'll tell you whether you are afterwards?
[15:48] <diddledan> yey for someone bringing the idiot kanye down-a-notch: http://www.msn.com/en-gb/music/news/glastonbury-2015-comedian-lee-nelson-invades-stage-during-kanye-set/ar-AAcfij6?ocid=spartandhp
[15:49] <diddledan> oh, is there a new-fangled thing called iphone then? http://view.email.argos.co.uk/?j=fe8f10727c6d077c71&m=fe9915707462007a76&ls=fe2d15707c6c067f701576&l=ff61167871&s=fe6915767760067c7314&jb=ff66167173&ju=fe1815777c66037a731d77&ET_cid=4299314&ET_rid=16242160&r=0
[15:50] <diddledan> "get set for iphone"
[15:51] <diddledan> the greek bailout is nearly at 1.5meeleon!
[15:51] <diddledan> that's nearly a whole percentage
[15:52] <diddledan> (0.1% is nearly a whole, right?)
[15:53] <daftykins> totally!
[15:58] <mapps> lol diddledan the footie
[15:58] <mapps> going to watch
[15:58] <mapps> college europa v slovan bratislava
[16:15] <bigcalm> Is there a way of seeing what disks are in a server but not mounted?
[16:18] <bigcalm> Got it, sudo sfdisk -l
[16:18] <bigcalm> Ta
[16:20] <diddledan> bigcalm: glad I could help
[16:35] <davmor2> bigcalm: did you resolve the switch issue in the end?
[16:36] <bigcalm> davmor2: nope. Didn't have time to do anything else with it that day. Not back in the office until next week
[17:21] <diddledan> where oh where has my leccy gone!
[17:45] <davmor2> diddledan: I think you missed the dear liza, dear liza off the end of that
[20:11] <knightwise> damn its hot
[20:12] <daftykins> mmhmm
[20:17] <zmoylan-pi> we're rapidly reaching the point where the only way to breath is open a window and stick your head in a building...
[20:19] <diddledan> methinks the leccy guys are in for a long night
[20:19] <diddledan> they've just discovered that the fault is roughly directly underneath a load of buses and a fence
[20:20] <diddledan> they haven't started digging that bit yet
[20:20] <daftykins> your neighbourhood got a blackout?
[20:21] <diddledan> just a bunch of flats in my building afaict
[20:21] <diddledan> (not the whole building, however)
[20:22] <daftykins> ah
[20:22] <daftykins> you're in a tall thing?
[20:22] <zmoylan-pi> all those poor smartphone users.  having to start friday with a half charged smart phone...
[20:22] <daftykins> :D
[20:22] <diddledan> nah, a quadrangle
[20:23] <diddledan> I might have a photo I can share. just a sec
[20:23] <daftykins> now the gov will know where your HQ is :O
[20:25] <zmoylan-pi> diddledan will post a pic of mi6 hq to throw them off
[20:26] <diddledan> this is one side - consider that the building also goes behind the camera: https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=847812CA14CFDA17!261207&authkey=!AIWlkCY-6fxEubo&v=3&ithint=photo%2cNEF
[20:27] <diddledan> here's an arty farty different angle: http://1drv.ms/1CO7My1
[20:27] <diddledan> I would get the original of that arty farty one but the pc it's on is offline due to lack of powers
[20:27] <dogmatic69_> wtf, just restarted ubuntu and could not log in. 'cant start session'
[20:27] <dogmatic69_> dropped to terminal and had to install ubuntu-session.
[20:28] <diddledan> the "fault" is under one of those garden things
[20:28] <dogmatic69_> this upgrade to latest version has been less than ideal.
[20:28] <daftykins> o0
[20:28] <daftykins> dist-upgrade?
[20:28] <diddledan> \o/
[20:28] <dogmatic69_> I upgraded a while ago, restarted a couple times
[20:28] <dogmatic69_> actually did not even restart now, I logged out win+L key
[20:28] <diddledan> only got 1 hour left on the battery in this pc
[20:29] <dogmatic69_> came back and borked
[20:36] <diddledan> dogmatic69 how did you upgrade? do-release-upgrade or manual?
[20:37] <diddledan> (the ui counts under do-release-upgrade)
[20:42] <dogmatic69_> do-release-upgrade
[20:42] <dogmatic69_> in terminal
[20:42] <diddledan> hmm that should be fine
[20:42] <diddledan> I wonder what went wonky...
[20:42] <dogmatic69_> and it completely broke my system.. after it kinda finished I had 1500 packages that were in limbo
[20:42] <diddledan> unrelated: "kill the messenger" looks like an intriguing film
[20:42] <dogmatic69_> had to manually sort them out
[20:42] <diddledan> ouch
[20:43] <diddledan> that's crazay
[20:43] <dogmatic69_> ye
[20:43] <dogmatic69_> wonder if I should risk .04 -> .10 now...
[20:43] <diddledan> lol
[20:43] <dogmatic69_> and it boned my vbox install
[20:44] <dogmatic69_> could not start anything, and now its broken again
[20:44] <dogmatic69_> no shared folders mount
[20:45] <daftykins> o0
[20:49] <diddledan> the synopsis for nbc's series "odyssey" sounds like a good plot, too
[20:50] <zmoylan-pi> must be good, cancelled after 1 season
[20:51] <diddledan> really?
[20:51] <zmoylan-pi> http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/american-odyssey-cancelled-nbc-season-2-1201524230/
[20:52] <diddledan> are we back?
[20:53] <diddledan> power is slowly returning
[20:53] <diddledan> things are firing up
[20:53] <diddledan> it's like a jet engine slowly starting in here
[20:58] <diddledan> and back
[22:19] <pashaman> hello
[22:20] <pashaman> anyone else here have an ASUS UX305FA Zenbook laptop?
[22:22] <pashaman> I'm having issues with the laptop brightness keyboard function keys.  Wondering if anyone else had this issue and what they did to correct it.
[22:22] <pashaman> display brightness function keys, I meant to say.
[22:23] <pashaman> Anyone one of you alive in here?
[22:23] <pashaman>  of the dead.
[23:05] <daftykins> hrmm rather patient user there
[23:47] <diddledan> power's off again
[23:48] <ball> diddledan: Caused by the heat?
[23:48] <diddledan> no idea
[23:48] <diddledan> they're digging up a large swathe of garden in the courtyard
[23:49] <ball> Ah, JCBs'll do it, too.
[23:49] <diddledan> no, they're digging the garden to fix it
[23:49] <ball> I wish I hadn't just bought my wife a Mac.
[23:50] <diddledan> oops
[23:50] <diddledan> :-p
[23:51] <ball> It started with an iPad a few years ago, then I got her an iPhone. Now I'm trying to bring it all together but MacOS X and iTunes seem ...suboptimal.
[23:55] <diddledan> it's a slippery slope
[23:55] <diddledan> next it'll be a watch
[23:59] <daftykins> :D
[23:59] <daftykins> and then a divorce *ba-dum-tish*
[23:59] <daftykins> sorry.


[16:25] <dhanvi> i have an error in installing ubuntu
[16:26] <dhanvi> can any one help me with it
[16:27] <dhanvi> ????
[16:54] <x-Na> What is the error?
[22:04] <Noskcaj_> morning darkxst
[22:04] <darkxst> Hey Noskcaj_
[22:04] <Noskcaj_> I've finally got a working laptop again
[22:04] <darkxst> cool
[22:07] <Noskcaj_> Any work items currently or are we waiting for gtk 3.12 to be done?
[22:07] <darkxst> libgweather can be merged
[22:08] <Noskcaj_> will do
[22:09] <darkxst> and would be good to get the ball rolling on upower transition
[22:09] <Noskcaj_> I'm not sure what that one involves, but i'll look into it
[22:09] <Noskcaj_> I need to leave for school now. bye
[22:09] <darkxst> thats a pretty big one though, most rdepends have upstream patches though
[22:10] <darkxst> ok, cya


[01:54] <virtu> heya
[01:54] <virtu> =)
[05:40] <siskel> Hello, I've been trying to set up my 5.1 Speakers in Ubuntu Studio following several howtos yet no success is there anyone that could assist me?
[06:41] <olinuxx> hi here
[06:41] <olinuxx> I search for pbuilder help
[06:41] <olinuxx> someone use it here maybe ?
[09:53] <searli> hola
[09:53] <searli> just a quick question ...
[09:54] <searli> will ubuntu studio run on older hardware?
[09:54] <searli> like dyn:ebolic
[10:04] <searli> I.e what are the minimum requirements ?
[14:17] <tanders12> seali: I'm not sure. I would think that initially it'll run on anything vanilla ubuntu will, but when it comes to task-specific things like video editing and realtime audio is where you're gonna run into problems.
[14:18] <ailo> My experience is, at least 512 MB of memory. 256 is like trying to fit an elephant into a closet, memory-wise.
[14:19] <ailo> And there may be problems with graphics. No flash without a reasonably new graphic card.
[21:27] <komputes> Hey guys can you mark this bug as affecting you: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-media/+bug/324700
[21:28] <holstein> im unclear as to how that is not wishlist
[21:29] <holstein> the art of bug reporting ;)
[21:29] <holstein> komputes: how about we trade?
[21:29] <komputes> holstein: send, let's see
[21:30] <holstein> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+bug/695892
[21:30] <holstein> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+bug/697774
[21:30] <holstein> ^^ those are wishlist
[21:30] <komputes> holstein: not a wishlist because enough people backing it, being presented to DX soon
[21:31] <holstein> i didnt realize wishlist was such a matter of opinion
[21:31] <komputes> holstein: re Bug #697774, are you tring to install studio or server?
[21:31] <holstein> komputes: studio can be installed using that method
[21:31] <komputes> holstein: it's a regression for a lost feature actually
[21:31] <komputes> not a new feature
[21:32] <holstein> hey, a deals a deal
[21:32] <holstein> i'll join if you do :)
[21:32] <komputes> holstein: hadess from GNOME took it out at ~8.04
[21:33] <komputes> holstein: livecd or alternate?
[21:33] <komputes> nm, saw the other bug
[21:33] <komputes> holstein: you assigned Bug #695892 to yourself. will you be fixing it?
[21:34] <holstein> yeah, these are related
[21:34] <holstein> komputes: seems like i might have to
[21:34] <holstein> i thought i would ask at the next meeting about it
[21:34] <holstein> and see if everyone is onboard
[21:34] <holstein> make sure its possible
[21:35] <holstein> im assigned because i didnt want anyone else looking at it necessarily yet
[21:35] <komputes> holstein: I'll definately back you on the LiveCD request
[21:35] <holstein> wastin resources or whatever
[21:35] <holstein> wasting*
[21:35] <holstein> til its a go
[21:36] <holstein> the other one would be a non-issue if we had a live CD
[21:36] <komputes> holstein: as for the other one I'm guessing you tried usb-creator with an alt image?
[21:36] <holstein> komputes: i havent had luck with any alts and usb creator or unet
[21:37] <holstein> have you?
[21:37] <komputes> holstein: i've heard that before
[21:37] <holstein> i can get it to boot
[21:37] <holstein> its the 'locating install medium'
[21:37] <holstein> or locating CD rom
[21:37] <holstein> something like that
[21:37] <holstein> thats where it fails
[21:38] <holstein> unless you do that envolved work-around
[21:38] <holstein> for the server install
[21:38] <holstein> which, actually, i have not done myself
[21:38] <holstein> BUT i suggested it in here twice
[21:38] <holstein> for 10.04 ubuntustudio installs
[21:38] <holstein> and it was reported good
[21:40] <holstein> in both cases
[21:40] <komputes> holstein: not that I can remember. I had a workaround for booting from an ISO file directly but ubiquity is hard headed with that method and won't install
[21:40] <holstein> live CD is the answer i think
[21:40] <holstein> too easy not to do it
[21:40] <komputes> thought there was an alt image usb-creator bug but I must be wrong... or maybe it was markes invalid/incomplete/expired
[21:40] <holstein> and it'll fix that
[21:41] <holstein> and the 'i just insatlled ubuntustudio, and nothing works' stuff i see in here
[21:41] <holstein> at least a bit more
[21:41] <holstein> komputes: OH
[21:41] <holstein> i didnt think about it that way
[21:41] <holstein> this bug would kinda be a duplicate of that
[21:42] <holstein> i'll see if i can find it
[23:46] <thebishop> hellohello
[23:46] <thebishop> i've got a Focusrite Saffire Pro24 (firewire) interface supported by ffado.  I see the RealTime kernel situation has gotten hairy under Maverick.  What's the best solution right now?
[23:48] <holstein> thebishop: hey
[23:48] <thebishop> holstein, whatup
[23:48] <holstein> are you using autostatics PPA ?
[23:49] <holstein> or is it just supported now?
[23:49] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~autostatic/+archive/ppa
[23:49] <thebishop> holstein, i was looking at ubuntu docs which pointed me to abogani's PPA. but it only supports lucid and natty
[23:50] <holstein> thebishop: i used the natty ones
[23:50] <holstein> http://jackschnippes.freeunix.net/index.php/2010/11/04/lowlatency-kernel-and-realtime-kernel-for-ubuntu-10-10-maverick
[23:50] <holstein> just DL'd the .debs
[23:50] <holstein> i think -realtime is not there anymore?
[23:50] <holstein> not sure
[23:50] <holstein> but -lowlatency is working quite well for me in natty with my firepod
[23:51] <thebishop> holstein, well what is the state of things right now?  Searching around it looks like a lot of planning discussions are still going on.  Is Maverick just a bust for audio production?  Are Natty dailys ready to use?
[23:52] <holstein> neither
[23:52] <holstein> i wouldnt use natty yet
[23:52] <holstein> personally
[23:52] <thebishop> k
[23:52] <holstein> my production box is 10.04
[23:52] <holstein> and i dont have a reason to change that
[23:52] <holstein> BUT the -lowlatency kernel is working great in testing
[23:52] <thebishop> holstein, doesn't even look like UbuntuStudio's ppa supports Maverick
[23:53] <holstein> thebishop: thats just aboganis PPA
[23:53] <holstein> no ubuntustudio
[23:53] <holstein> not*
[23:53] <holstein> the ubuntustudio metapackages are in the standard repos
[23:53] <holstein> the realtime kernel got pulled
[23:53] <thebishop> holstein, ppa:ubuntustudio-dev/ppa doesn't have a maverick option
[23:53] <holstein> thebishop: you shouldnt need that PPA
[23:54] <thebishop> it's like 2 years old anyway
[23:54] <thebishop> heh
[23:54] <holstein> thats probably just testing pacakges
[23:54] <holstein> for something
[23:54] <holstein> packages
[23:54] <holstein> not used AFAIK
[23:54] <holstein> thebishop: you'd be fine with 10.04 and autostatics PPA
[23:54] <holstein> or 10.10
[23:54] <holstein> and aboganis natty kernel
[23:55] <thebishop> holstein, autostatic only has lucid and karmic
[23:55] <thebishop> seems like 10.04 is the way to go
[23:55] <thebishop> svn ffado and jack, and that's it
[23:55] <holstein> AFAIK
[23:55] <thebishop> a bit annoying since i already compiled that stuff, but no biggie i guess
[23:56] <holstein> you dont need his PPA with maverick
[23:56] <holstein> since the new stuff is already in place
[23:56] <thebishop> oh ok
[23:56] <thebishop> so just install natty -realtime
[23:56] <holstein> or -lowlatency
[23:56] <thebishop> holstein, both have preempt?
[23:56] <holstein> yup
[23:57] <holstein> thebishop: if you get around to testing natty with FW
[23:57] <holstein> let me know
[23:57] <holstein> i have a few tests i would like to confirm for us
[23:57] <holstein> just find me and ping me before you do any settings changes
[23:57] <thebishop> k
[23:57] <holstein> literally all i did was add myself to the audio group
[23:58] <holstein> and get the -lowlatency kernel
[23:58] <holstein> and natty + the firepod is running great :)
[23:58] <holstein> maybe a little better that lucid with -rt


[11:20] <popey> hulo
[11:20] <popey> where should links that point to http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com be pointed?
[11:21] <popey> given http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com seems dead
[11:25] <davmor2> popey: where did you get the link from?
[11:36] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Multitouch/Testing davmor2
[11:36] <popey> at the bottom
[11:38] <davmor2> popey: I've no idea then I'm afraid.  ara, jibel  ^ can you help popey with this one at all?
[11:39] <ara> davmor2, popey: I didn't even know that testcases.qa.ubuntu.com was dead. Maybe this requires IS intervention?
[11:47] <davmor2> ara: sorry just spotted your reply do you want to handle that or is it just a bug?
[11:48] <ara> davmor2, I am not sure if they are still using testcases.qa.ubuntu.com (I guess they are)
[11:48] <ara> I would rather wait for jibel
[11:48] <davmor2> makes sense
[12:14] <jibel> davmor2, popey , ara qa/summit/loco/harvest/manpages are down, the machine there are on is having issues. The IS is on it to bring it back up.
[12:32] <davmor2> jibel: thanks for the update :)
[12:37] <ara> jibel, thanks for the update!
[12:51] <popey> thanks :D
[16:51] <charlie-tca> Just to be clear, today's Xubuntu desktop image installs
[18:38] <PaoloRotolo> Hi all!


[14:42] <gondoi> utlemming or smoser: you guys around today?
[14:51] <smoser> gondoi, here.
[14:51] <smoser> whats up?
[14:58] <smoser> gondoi, ^
[14:59] <gondoi> smoser, sorry... quick team huddle brb
[15:14] <gondoi> smoser, okay sorry about that
[15:14] <gondoi> okay, i am looking for some help with setting up cloud-init the proper way
[15:14] <gondoi> i'm having trouble finding docs on the config file syntax/options
[15:15] <gondoi> also, we have images for different distribution releases so versions vary
[15:19] <smoser> gondoi, well the best documentation on config is doc/example/
[15:19] <smoser> and/or the ones that ship in 'config/
[15:19] <smoser> '
[15:19] <smoser> (in source)
[15:35] <gondoi> okay, let me look over those
[15:49] <smoser> gondoi, i'm completley open to improvements in documentation
[15:49] <smoser> (or code!)
[15:49] <smoser> :)
[16:05] <gondoi> smoser, i don't see any examples of /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg, or the files in the .d directory
[16:05] <gondoi> i'm trying to figure out the best working config for cloud-init itself, not necessarily user-data that it parses
[16:06] <smoser> they're one and the same.
[16:06] <gondoi> oh.....
[16:06] <smoser> see 'config/cloud.cfg' as the one that ships with cloud-init (and config/cloud.cfg.d/05_logging.cfg)
[16:06] <smoser> thats kind of a design goal of cloud-init
[16:06] <smoser> whatever you could configure or do when you built the image
[16:06] <smoser> you can do in user-data
[16:07] <smoser> and for the most part that is true
[17:17] <gondoi> smoser, how does backporting work for cloud-init?
[17:18] <gondoi> for example, i think I found a bug, but if I fix it, i assume it will only land in 0.7.3 and above only
[17:19] <smoser> gondoi, well for ubuntu, we can get the fix back into 12.04 (or other previous releases)
[17:19] <smoser> for other distros, whatever their distro policy is.
[17:21] <gondoi> okay
[17:21] <gondoi> thanks smoser
[17:21] <gondoi> i'll get a launchpad issue opened to start with :D
[17:21] <gondoi> then i'll try my hand at patching it
[18:17] <harmw> harlowja: I'm reading over the _write_network stuff in distros/rhel.py
[18:17] <harlowja> yo
[18:17] <harmw> you still need to fix that?
[18:17] <harlowja> i'd still like to get to a non-ubuntu input format
[18:18] <harlowja> i haven't checked the status of netcfg in a while though
[18:18] <harlowja> *netcf [https://fedorahosted.org/netcf/]
[18:18] <harmw> ok, well I haven't verified if rhel_util.translate_network() works - my centos6 instance most certainly didn't configure eth0 accordingly so...
[18:19] <harlowja> oh, it defintly works
[18:19] <harlowja> at least good enough for y!
[18:20] <harmw> i thought so, I probably left some required config
[18:20] <harmw> *out
[18:20] <harmw> netcf looks nice btw
[18:24] <harlowja> ya, its a little more distro-independent
[18:25] <harmw> do you have an example of what cloud-init eventually passes to the translate_network() function?
[18:26] <harlowja> sure
[18:27] <harlowja> btw, are u using openstakc or ec2
[18:27] <harmw> shouldn't be that hard to convert that debian-style blob to freebsd's /etc/rc.conf
[18:27] <harmw> my cloud is openstack, though cloud-init says it took the ec2 datasource
[18:27] <harlowja> k, thats why its not getting called then
[18:27] <harmw> ah
[18:28] <harmw> haven't debugged that part just yet, but thanks
[18:28] <harlowja> the cfgdrive is the main provider of this data
[18:28] <harlowja> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6515839/
[18:28] <harmw> excellent,thanks
[18:29] <harlowja> http://docs.openstack.org/grizzly/openstack-compute/admin/content//config-drive.html
[18:29] <harlowja> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6515844/
[18:29] <harlowja> from a grizzly instance at y!
[18:29] <harmw> i've read about configdrive, it looks nice
[18:31] <harmw> can't cloud-init setup static networking on DHCP nets?
[18:32] <harlowja> sure, if someone provides it that data
[18:33] <harlowja> the ec2 datasource afaik doesn't have that data
[18:33] <harlowja> if it did, then sure, it likely could
[18:33] <harmw> hm hm
[18:33] <harmw> ok
[18:48] <harmw> apply_network() only exists in datasources ConfigDrive, NoCloud and OpenNebula
[18:53] <harlowja> ya, do u know if the openstack ec2 metadata server even provides it?
[18:53] <harlowja> i don't recall if it does
[18:54] <harmw> dont think so
[18:55] <harmw> well, there is a meta-data/local-ipv4 key
[18:57] <harlowja> ya, thats not enough afaik to be useable by apply_network
[18:57] <harmw> nope
[18:57] <harlowja> i think the openstack ec2 could host network config
[18:58] <harlowja> i think most people that use the ec2 metatadata sever though use dhcp
[18:59] <harlowja> *but doesn't mean it has to be that way (of course)
[19:01] <harmw> yea, and besides, the instance already got all required stuff through dhcp
[19:01] <harmw> so reading that and writing it to sysconfig would seem viable
[19:02] <harlowja> depends, the whole 169.blah.blah address stuff imho seems to magical (and hard to debug/reason)
[19:03] <harlowja> configdrive u know pretty much what the source data was, where it is (via blkid) so it can be easily looked at post-boot...
[19:03] <harlowja> $ blkid
[19:03] <harlowja> ...
[19:03] <harlowja> ex: /dev/vdb: SEC_TYPE="msdos" LABEL="config-2" UUID="124A-8C96" TYPE="vfat"
[19:04] <harlowja> and the 169 business means u have to run a external service (that can be DOS'd from user vms)
[19:04] <harlowja> and u have to connect that 169 business via iptables/other
[19:05] <harmw> true, true
[19:05] <harlowja> configdrive simpler imho
[19:05] <harlowja> but to each there own i guess :-P
[19:08] <harmw> :)
[19:12] <harmw> hm, can I attach a configdrive to a running vm harlowja ?
[19:12] <harlowja> not afaik, its created in nova, during the vm creation process, so if it wasn't created during that process, it won't exist
[19:13] <harlowja> and settings in nova.conf turn it on/off
[19:13] <harlowja> force_config_drive=true being the main one i think
[19:14] <harmw> yea, thats to forcefully create a cfgdrive iirc
[19:16] <harlowja> ya, all controlled by https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/virt/libvirt/driver.py#L2516 afaik
[19:22] <smoser> fwiw, i'll be fairly annoying on "change the network interface description code"
[19:23] <smoser> harlowja, harmw
[19:23] <smoser> from the openstack side.
[19:23] <harlowja> agreed
[19:23] <smoser> i'd accept patches for cloud-init to read one or the other
[19:23] <harmw> :)
[19:23] <smoser> but i think it is in general a bad idea to change that on the hypervisor
[19:23] <smoser> as then you're in a situation where either:
[19:24] <smoser> a.) you have to know something about the guest in order to know what to provide it
[19:24] <smoser> b.) you break existing guests
[19:24] <harmw> agreed
[19:24] <smoser> wrt config drive...
[19:25] <smoser> i think looking forward it will go away.
[19:25] <smoser> i think it was a stop gap solution for a time when quantum wasn't really there and many people had issues getting the metadata service set up correcdtly.
[19:25] <harlowja> hmmm, idk
[19:25] <smoser> the dynamic nature of a web service makes it so much more useful.
[19:26] <smoser> example:
[19:26] <smoser> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/+bug/1153626
[19:26] <smoser> ie, on amazon when you attach a new NIC, the metadata service then has information about what the instance should do with that NIC.
[19:27] <smoser> amazon linux has a tool that then takes the udev event, hits the MD service, and runs 'ifup ethX' appropriately.
[19:27] <smoser> all making magic work.
[19:27] <harmw> that sure is nice
[19:27] <smoser> (good magic in this case ... that can be confusing as other times I complain about magic).
[19:27] <harmw> :)
[19:28] <harlowja> ya, its the weird boundary of agents vs init things
[19:28] <harlowja> *active agents
[20:28] <harmw> how nice, freebsd respects the rfc in regards to receiving multiple routes through dhcp
[20:29] <harmw> thus, it just (only) adds the static route to 169.x and not the default route
[22:35] <gondoi> smoser, I have a question about the upstart process... on my rackspace cloud server, it appears the nova-agent in use is waiting for cloud-init to finish before configuring netowrking...
[22:35] <gondoi> this is not good since chef can't be installed at that point
[22:36] <gondoi> although, I can't find the upstart events that would prevent rc 2 from being fired
[22:36] <gondoi> do you have a good handle on upstart events and their dependencies?


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