[00:28] <Pici> what
[00:29] <Hobbsee> he ended up in ubuntu-ops.  i'm unsur ewhy that's so surprising to him
[00:38] <PriceChild> he asked to be unbanned in #ubuntu, in #freenode
[00:39] <PriceChild> so i told him come here
[00:39] <PriceChild> no idea what the ban is about
[00:55] <Pici> I think he was confused that you were in both locations
[00:55] <PriceChild> perhaps
[00:55] <jdong> is PriceChild applying for sainthood too??
[00:56] <PriceChild> jdong: what've I done now?
[00:56] <jdong> 20:55 <+Pici> I think he was confused that you were in both locations
[00:56] <PriceChild> jdong: haven't applied yet, need a little more practice.
[00:56] <Pici> You'd need to be dead too :/
[00:56] <Pici> Or is that getting printed on US money?
[00:58]  * jdong thinks of mean joke, but decides not to say it....
[01:39] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-chicago, Spaceman3750 said: ubotu j1mc is <reply> The destroyer of all things doc related
[01:50] <ubotu> Flannel called the ops in #ubuntu (grey_)
[01:51] <Pici> eh
[01:51] <PriceChild> Amaranth: what was that link? :
[01:51] <Pici> It was just an irc link.
[01:51] <Amaranth> PriceChild: some irc channel
[01:51] <PriceChild> would that really go to a channel? :/
[01:51] <Amaranth> which looks 4chan related
[01:51] <Amaranth> yes
[01:51] <PriceChild> there's no prefix
[01:51] <Amaranth> oh, then it might not
[01:52] <Amaranth> i dunno, i guess it depends on the server?
[01:52] <PriceChild> odd how it join/parted yes
[01:52] <PriceChild> doesn't it require a prefix, to stop users/channels getting confuseD?
[01:53] <Hobbsee> which link?
[01:53] <PriceChild> 01:50:28 < ~grey_> irc://irc.delinked.us/chanchan
[01:53] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[01:53] <Hobbsee> trillian will obey that
[01:54] <Hobbsee> er, cz, actually
[01:55] <robby_kane> ok so im here asking to get unbanned is that posible?
[01:56]  * AndrewB prods PriceChild
[01:56] <Pici> robby_kane: one moment please :)
[01:56] <robby_kane> hay may i form a request to get unnband?
[01:56] <robby_kane> oh ok sorry :)
[01:56] <robby_kane> i can wait
[01:56] <Pici> robby_kane: Do you recall why you were banned?
[01:57] <robby_kane> for posting lines of errors that the terminal gave me when thay told me not too..... also thay always aked me what is rong and i couldent explain it without doing so but ya
[01:57] <robby_kane> im realy sorry for spamming the channel
[01:57] <PriceChild> !paste | robby_kane
[01:57] <ubotu> robby_kane: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[01:58] <PriceChild> robby_kane: you were given that advice by ubotu ^
[01:58]  * PriceChild wonders why you claimed different reasons for being banned in #freenode.
[01:58] <robby_kane> ahh well i dint understand it at the time lol XD
[01:58] <PriceChild> robby_kane: got it now?
[01:58] <robby_kane> yes that i understand
[01:59] <PriceChild> Good good.
[01:59] <robby_kane> how about being banned in ##linux?
[01:59] <PriceChild> We're only #ubuntu people.
[01:59] <robby_kane> ok ok :)
[01:59] <robby_kane> i hate this chair brb
[01:59] <PriceChild> !guidelines | robby_kane
[01:59] <ubotu> robby_kane: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[01:59] <PriceChild> robby_kane: go read that too please.
[02:00] <PriceChild> (including the page linked to)
[02:00] <nalioth> robby_kane: ##linux-ops is your next stop
[02:02] <robby_kane> ok so im unbanned?
[02:02] <robby_kane> i can go to linux next if u want :)
[02:03] <nalioth> robby_kane: it is up to you where you go from here :)
[02:05] <robby_kane> ok ok so i read all the guidlines and i am verry sorry can i get unbanned >'_'<
[02:11] <robby_kane> so is there enything i can do to get unbanned?
[02:11] <robby_kane> can i try and bribe u?
[02:12] <PriceChild> robby_kane: right so you understand why and how we use pastebin, I'll unban you, please abide by the channel guidelines :)
[02:13] <robby_kane> ya ok cool so now sex no spam no pastes of randomw junk and no trolling/ flameing
[02:13] <robby_kane> got ya...
[02:13] <robby_kane> :-*
[02:13] <nalioth> civility is all we ask  :)
[02:14] <robby_kane> but im only human XD
[02:35] <nikrud> is anyone else getting annoyed by the dal.net recuiters. It's getting a bit repetitious
[02:36] <nalioth> nikrud: not recruiters.  trolls on a chaos campaign.
[02:36] <nikrud> seemed polite enough, but it's annoying
[02:37] <Pici> nikrud: its been going on for quite a while
[02:38] <nikrud> Pici: I've seen it before, but now it's like almost daily. Come into ubuntu, ask a couple questions, then pm and recruit.
[02:38] <nikrud> eh. Just wanted to complain at someone
[02:39] <nalioth> nikrud: call in the airstrikes! full napalm run!
[02:39]  * nikrud sidles away from nalioth  (again ;P)
[02:46] <Pici> nikrud: I usually drop a note in #freenode with the persons nick and host info when I get those.
[02:47] <nikrud> Don't know if I want to escalate that far. I'll see how they took my last, hard brushoff first.
[02:48] <nalioth> nikrud: they will outnumber you by proxy
[02:49] <nikrud> nalioth: they're all out of that one channel there? Sigh
[02:49] <nikrud> anyway, it's more of an annoyance than anything else. I've had worse things happen in my life
[03:22] <ubotu> FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (clone flood)
[03:22] <ubotu> Netham45 called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[03:23] <tritium> Gee, thanks, Floodbot3
[03:23] <Pici> heh
[03:23] <tritium> Gee, thanks, Floodbot2, rather.
[03:23] <Pici> Bots were probably lagged.
[03:23] <tritium> I guess
[03:23] <Pici> Or they just don't like you.
[03:24] <tritium> And now I don't like them ;)
[04:50] <ubotu> SNuxoll called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic (SidStudios)
[04:53] <ubotu> In #ubuntuforums-beginners, paultag said: !learn paultag is sweet
[05:37] <nikrud> floodbots in #ubuntu are acting up again
[05:37] <tritium> They sure are
[05:38] <nikrud> so do some magic :)
[05:38] <tritium> I have no control of the floodbots
[05:38] <tritium> In fact, I got muted myself today by one of them.
[05:38] <nikrud> that's why it would be magic, I guess.
[05:38]  * tritium eyes FloodBot2
[05:38] <nikrud> how did that happen?
[05:38] <tritium> I was being particularly helpful, I guess.
[05:39] <nikrud> lol, flooder
[05:39] <tritium> I think the bots lagged, and saw that I was responding to too many people, or something.
[05:39] <tonyyarusso> what sort of acting up tritium ?
[05:39] <tritium> Let that be a warning to you ;)
[05:39] <nikrud> heh
[05:39] <tritium> tonyyarusso: lagging, and then muting the most helpful people
[05:39] <tonyyarusso> lol...
[05:40] <tritium> :)
[05:40] <tonyyarusso> LjL: Maybe there should be some kind of exception to the flood detection based on whether there is a nick prefixed in the message, and it changes on each line.
[05:40] <nikrud> tonight, after the recent flood. they were playing patty cake with each other, seems to have settled out
[05:40] <tritium> tonyyarusso: good suggestion
[05:42] <tritium> Well, good night, folks.
[05:42]  * tonyyarusso notes that it's easier said than coded
[05:43]  * nikrud notes that goes without saying
[05:44] <ubotu> In #ubuntuforums-beginners, paultag said: !learn paultag is awsome
[06:02] <Amaranth> I don't see anything wrong with the floodbots
[06:02] <Amaranth> they did exactly what they were supposed to do
[06:12] <tritium> Amaranth: not exactly
[06:12] <Amaranth> two of them set +J instead of one
[06:13] <Amaranth> then they deopped each other until only one was opped
[06:13] <tritium> Perhaps they're working properly at the moment, but not earlier.
[06:13] <Amaranth> they were when nikrud said something here, as far as i can see
[06:14] <tritium> Yes, but not earlier than that when I was muted.
[06:16] <Black_Magic_> Err, Can i ask Why i was banned from #Ubuntu?
[06:20] <nikrud> Amaranth: I probably jumped the gun, true
[06:20] <tritium> Black_Magic: I believe it was for running a bot.
[06:20] <Black_Magic> huh...
[06:20] <Black_Magic> I havent had a bot in #Ubuntu
[06:20] <tritium> Johnny4 auto-responded to a bot factoid request
[06:20] <tritium> @btlogin
[06:21] <tritium> Black_Magic: ring a bell?
[06:22] <Black_Magic> Oh Well then Sorry i just was adding AI to it so it joins channels it likes it just scans channels and chooses random also i was adding tcl scripts so it has features
[06:22] <Black_Magic> sec... telnetting it
[06:22] <Black_Magic> to see what channels it was joining
[06:23] <tritium> Black_Magic:
[06:23] <tritium> 2008-03-20T06:44:13 <tonyyarusso> !8ball are you a bot
[06:23] <tritium> 2008-03-20T06:44:16 <Johnny4> tonyyarusso, my 8-ball says how appropriate, you fight like a cow...
[06:23] <tritium> Black_Magic: after that, tonyyarusso banned you.  Please talk to him.
[06:23] <Black_Magic> wtf...
[06:23] <Black_Magic> how did he know the !8ball thing?
[06:24] <Black_Magic> second Im adding #Ubuntu to Blacklist for Toys ect
[06:24] <nikrud> Black_Magic: these guys have been around the block.  But you play around the edges too much.
[06:26] <Black_Magic> Well its a new bot and a buddy is helping my Make AI
[06:26] <Black_Magic> nikrud, Please Explain "Skating Around the Edges"
[06:26] <nikrud> Black_Magic: skating around the edges is pushing the envelope ;)
[06:27] <Black_Magic> Oh Sorry Im not trying to push the envelope well Im Sorry for my bots responds and ill make sure that all scripts keep him away from Ubuntu's Official channels
[06:28] <stdin> phobos_anomaly needs a ban in #u due to (failed) dcc attack
[06:28] <nikrud> Black_Magic: you'll need to talk to tonyyarusso about it as tritium says. I'll talk to you later, it's bedtime
[06:28] <Black_Magic> Hes away cleaning up..
[06:32] <tritium> stdin: thanks.
[06:33] <Black_Magic> Well thanks for your help and sorry for my bot Joining #Ubuntu and disturbing it.
[06:34] <tritium> Black_Magic: just talk to tonyyarusso later.  I expect he'll take care of it.
[06:34] <Black_Magic> tritium: Ok mm Want to come to ##Black_Magic and help me find bugs in my bot?
[06:35] <tritium> Black_Magic: no, thanks.  I'm going to bed.
[06:35] <Black_Magic> Oh ok thx anyways
[06:36] <tritium> Sure, good night.
[06:54] <tritium> Watch out for phobos_anomaly.
[06:58] <Black_Magic> me?
[06:58] <tritium> Black_Magic: no, note to the other ops
[06:58] <tritium> Good night.
[07:00] <ompaul> Black_Magic, might I ask what you are still doing here?
[07:00]  * ompaul is just curious
[07:01] <Black_Magic> ompaul: Waiting for the one who banned me from #ubuntu to come back
[07:01] <ompaul> i.e. has you gots a wiki page done?
[07:01]  * Black_Magic Whoops forgot about it :P
[07:01] <Black_Magic> oh i remeber why the thing wouldnt load my user prefrences
[07:02] <Black_Magic> first time users have to set them then submit but it wouldnt load
[07:04] <Black_Magic> Also im not talking because dont want to annoy ops
[07:08] <Black_Magic> AAnyone know where i can get the ubotu source?
[07:10] <ompaul> !bot
[07:10] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[07:10] <Black_Magic> i know that ubotu is supposed to be opensource
[07:11] <ompaul> did you bother to read that link?
[07:12] <elkbuntu> ompaul, clearly not
[07:12] <ompaul> I am gone
[07:12] <Black_Magic> i am reading it
[07:12] <Black_Magic> i just remeber reading it when i first knew about ubotu  and i dont remeber any Source downloads
[07:20] <jussi01> Hobbsee: poke back?
[07:45] <tonyyarusso> Black_Magic: oh hey, looks like you're on the same host as your bot eh?
[07:45] <Black_Magic> yep
[07:45] <tonyyarusso> Black_Magic: Seeing the backscroll here, looks like the major points have been covered, but one other thing:
[07:45] <Black_Magic> Ive been waiting  ^^
[07:45] <Black_Magic> No Bots aloud in Ubuntun channels
[07:45] <tonyyarusso> While as long as it stays out of ubuntu channels we don't really care, I'd suggest that most channel owners don't appreciate unauthorized bots joining.
[07:46] <tonyyarusso> You might consider modifying the code so that it instead messages you with the channels it was considering, giving you an opportunity to contact the channel owner first before authorizing it.
[07:46] <Black_Magic> i usualy ask but i made an AI Where it randomly picks one channel every 30Mins and joins
[07:47] <elkbuntu> Black_Magic, bad move... that could get your host registered as a bot net and banned from the network
[07:47] <tonyyarusso> Yeah, just have the AI action be to message you instead of joining, you know what I'm saying?
[07:47] <tonyyarusso> You could even add a command like @authorize channel that you could manually give it after checking in with the owners of its choice
[07:49] <tonyyarusso> Like I said, it's not really our immediate concern, but in terms of "best practice" and what you'll want to do to stay on the right side of the line with freenode in general you'll want some minor modifications.
[07:50] <tonyyarusso> (I'm also going to be amused at the equation of randomness to AI, btw)
[07:51] <ubotu> In ubotu, Hirvinen said: !no, version is <reply> To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type « lsb_release -a » in a !shell. Version number is of the form <year of release>.<month of release with a possible leading zero>. See !release for more information on releases.
[07:53] <jussi01> !version
[07:53] <ubotu> To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type « lsb_release -a » in a !shell
[07:54] <Black_Magic_> Sorry for leaving so sudden
[07:55] <Black_Magic_> X-Server froze and i couldnt do anything so had to reboot
[07:55] <Black_Magic_> forceably
[07:55] <tonyyarusso> I see - what's the last thing you saw?
[07:55] <Black_Magic_> You where telling me about recoding
[07:56] <elkbuntu> Black_Magic_, did you see us tell you why?
[07:56] <Black_Magic_> no
[07:56] <elkbuntu> well, you could get confused with a botnet, and banned from the network
[07:57] <Black_Magic_> Also the AI i was making is for finding IRC Buddies it joins and searches for 30mins for the Nick that you sujested and if not there it switches channel but i had set the plugin to all channels (the ! Plugin) so during the time its there it could be activated
[07:58] <tonyyarusso> We don't particularly care what the purpose is or how it works - we just think you should turn off any random joining.  Have it check with you first instead.
[07:58] <Black_Magic_> Well tony Will you Whip up a TCL Script to make it do that?
[07:58] <tonyyarusso> Nope - that'll be your job :)
[07:59] <Black_Magic_> Aw :P Well sorry about my bot joining  could you explain all the stuff about recoding and stuff because i only saw a small bit
[07:59] <Black_Magic_> then everything froze :/
[07:59] <elkbuntu> Black_Magic, finding irc buddies for what purpose?
[07:59] <elkbuntu> nobody wants to be buddies with a bot
[08:00] <Black_Magic_> elkbuntu: Its suppose to work like !findbuddy <buddynick>
[08:00] <tonyyarusso> You mean /whois?
[08:00] <Black_Magic_> Like buddies of yours that you met and then havent seen in a while
[08:00] <Black_Magic_> it searches IRC Channels on the network and tries to find that nick
[08:00] <Black_Magic_> and then invites them to the base channel that youve set
[08:00] <elkbuntu> Black_Magic, so long as it's not being used for spam, which it sounded like
[08:01] <tonyyarusso> So, whois combined with automatically spamming the results...
[08:01] <Black_Magic_> it doesnt message them
[08:01] <tonyyarusso> Well what does it do?
[08:01] <Black_Magic_> it just invites to My channell
[08:01] <tonyyarusso> And how's a message in the server window different from a message in a PM window?
[08:02] <elkbuntu> Black_Magic, it sounds like a recruiter bot to me
[08:02] <Black_Magic_> recruiter..?
[08:02] <Black_Magic_> i mean the bot theres a recruiter bot
[08:02] <Black_Magic_> Like say You met nickrud once in a channel
[08:03] <Black_Magic_> and you became good friends but you hadnt seen him for a while
[08:03] <Black_Magic_> so you do !findbuddy nickrud
[08:03] <Black_Magic_> and it finds him invites him and then tells you what channel it was
[08:03] <tonyyarusso> The proper thing to do would be to /whois him to see if he's online, if yes then go back to the channel you met in, and chat there like you had before.
[08:03] <elkbuntu> Black_Magic, or, use memoserv
[08:04] <tonyyarusso> Your method would be considered spam, yes.
[08:04] <tonyyarusso> right, memoserv would be the else { } there
[08:05] <elkbuntu> Black_Magic, so by your logic, companies are entitled to put you on a mailout list if you've bought from them before?
[08:05] <elkbuntu> without asking you
[08:05] <Black_Magic> no...
[08:05] <elkbuntu> well you're employing the exact same methodology here
[08:05] <tonyyarusso> and invite you to take part in their new special offer!
[08:06] <elkbuntu> tonyyarusso, swap 'offer' with 'channel' and bingo
[08:06] <Black_Magic> Well ill just crash the project of the find buddy i just didnt know about memo server ect
[08:06] <tonyyarusso> yeah, memoserv is pretty sweet really  /me took a while to find out about it too
[08:07] <elkbuntu> Black_Magic, there's no problem you making your bot do other things, just intrusive things like hunting people is generally bad and annoying
[08:07] <Black_Magic> Also since IRC is not like IM i thought it would be useful to help find buddies maybe if i did keep it just set the bot to stay in channel for about 2mins instead of 30? the 30 was just incase he just joins it..
[08:07] <elkbuntu> Black_Magic, many irc clients can keep buddy lists anyway
[08:08] <Black_Magic> elkbuntu: Well idk where to get modules and such so i have to have friends make em for me
[08:08] <elkbuntu> Black_Magic, it's the perfect type of project to teach yourself programming with. try python
[08:08]  * Hobbsee eyerolls
[08:09] <Black_Magic> well i have Supybot and Eggdrop based bots around just all on diffrent networks
[08:09] <Hobbsee> a great idea, putting a bot into a large channel, without checking if it's always silent.
[08:09] <Hobbsee> then you should have a clue about lobotomising.
[08:09] <Black_Magic> so if the bot was silent i wouldnt be in this bunch :P
[08:09] <elkbuntu> no, we would have caught it eventually
[08:10] <elkbuntu> we have to check our thousand users regularly to catch out telltale botnets
[08:10] <elkbuntu> they're notoriously bad at hiding
[08:10] <Black_Magic> hmm can i know exactly how you detect them?
[08:10] <Black_Magic> if they dont speak and such?
[08:10] <tonyyarusso> probably with black magic :)
[08:11] <Black_Magic> it could just be an auto-joiner
[08:11] <Black_Magic> lol Shh :P
[08:11] <Tm_T> tonyyarusso: white magic
[08:11] <Hobbsee> Black_Magic: so, you failed.
[08:11] <elkbuntu> Black_Magic, we've had practice
[08:11] <Hobbsee> Black_Magic: try in small,unimportant channels, and learn to run a bot there.
[08:11] <Black_Magic> lol see thats kind of boring no one to talk to but a learning bot..
[08:11] <elkbuntu> when you've been doing this for years like we have, you learn how to spot the bad things
[08:12] <Hobbsee> so, stick it in -uncensored.  they talk there.
[08:12] <Black_Magic> it has a brain.. and learns from things in channels too
[08:12] <Hobbsee> it != you.
[08:12] <Hobbsee> you need to make it behave.
[08:13] <Black_Magic> usualy it just stays quiet and listens when joins channels
[08:14] <Hobbsee> you should *ensure* it does that before putting it in any channels you don't ahve access to, or that are big.
[08:14] <Hobbsee> a good thing to do would be to remove the characters that it responds to
[08:14] <Hobbsee> or force it to be muted
[08:14] <elkbuntu> a learning, hunting bot? i can almost picture how he was going to have it... him: gee, i wonder where steve is ... *bot runs off to ask every nick and ident that matches 'steve' if they know someone called black_magic*
[08:14] <tonyyarusso> Usually should be always, especially when there are functions built into bots to make it so.  btw, for the supybot end of things, the documentation on supybot.com and the #supybot channel are very useful.
[08:14]  * elkbuntu shudders
[08:15] <elkbuntu> very bad idea dude :)
[08:15] <tonyyarusso> There's even a #supybot-bots channel where you can go test.
[08:15] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: they can be interesting.  one of mine learns.
[08:15] <Black_Magic> lol mine learns too
[08:15] <Black_Magic> it has a brain file :P
[08:15] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, yeah, i have one on another network
[08:15] <Black_Magic> it learns from phrases and if you say a keyword in a phrase it states that
[08:15] <Hobbsee> Black_Magic: fortunately, i'm good enough of a botmaster to make it shut up when it's not there, and not to have it in channels where it shouldn't be.
[08:15] <Hobbsee> Black_Magic: you don't, and therefore aren't.
[08:16] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: yeah, mine's on another
[08:16] <Black_Magic> Hobbsee: Well ive only been using bots for about a week IM LEARNING
[08:16] <Black_Magic> and i dont have a mentor so im trying
[08:16] <Hobbsee> Black_Magic: then you have *NO REASON TO PUT IT IN #UBUNTU WITHOUT THINKING*
[08:16] <Black_Magic> not good with dcc and this /msg bot name command stuff
[08:17] <tonyyarusso> You can learn, but you MUST learn in your own channel, not something like #ubuntu.  That should be very plainly obvious, given the consequences otherwise.
[08:17] <Black_Magic> Well can you tell me if it joins any channels its not supposed to because im about to power it up again and send it to ##Black_Magic
[08:17] <Hobbsee> Black_Magic: you can't do that yourself?
[08:17] <tonyyarusso> It is _your_ responsibility, not ours.
[08:17] <elkbuntu> dude, if you dont know what it's doing, dont touch it
[08:18] <Black_Magic> Making sure it doesnt go into UBUNTU was my point
[08:18] <Black_Magic> not the other channels
[08:18] <Hobbsee> it had better not go into any other channels tha tfall into the ubuntu namespace, or else you can probably expect something for your cluelessness...
[08:18] <Hobbsee> adn it won't be pleasant.
[08:18] <elkbuntu> Black_Magic, if it ever shows up in ubuntu channels again, you wont recover usage of them so quickly
[08:19] <tonyyarusso> Frankly, we have about three times as many things to keep track of as any sane person can put up with as it is.  I, for one, go to school full time and work three jobs, and make time for Ubuntu stuff.  I really can't be babysitting bots.  It's much more efficient for me to simply kill them as soon as they look like they might waste some of my time.
[08:19] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: which is exactly why there's a "no unofficial bots" policy in any of the channels.
[08:19] <tonyyarusso> yup
[08:19] <Black_Magic> I knew i shoudl of just shut up as soon as i finished waiting and got a reply and successfully undid ban and then tweaked bot
[08:20] <Black_Magic> My big mouth got yall all rambled Have fun Cya later
[08:20] <Hobbsee> Black_Magic: btw, having it in there at all makes it bannable.
[08:20] <Hobbsee> if you hadn't figured thatout
[08:20] <Hobbsee> it's not just talking bots.
[08:20] <tonyyarusso> Well, if his modification does actually work, he's #freenode's problem now.
[08:22] <elkbuntu> he's sure as hell better not make it hunt
[08:24] <Hobbsee> if it gets caught spamming, then...
[08:25] <elkbuntu> yup
[08:25]  * Hobbsee should go back to class
[08:26] <jussi01> have fun Hobbsee
[08:26] <Hobbsee> will do
[08:52] <elkbuntu> black_magic is darkmystere? i know that nick from somewhere...
[08:55] <Seeker`> elkbuntu: yes
[08:56] <Seeker`> I also told him yesterday or the day before to keep his bots out of #ubuntu* channels, as it is against policy
[08:56] <elkbuntu> Seeker`, so this wasnt the first time?
[08:57] <Seeker`> he had a bot in #ubuntu-offtopic for a couple of mins the other day, but it parted / he told it to part after a minute or two
[08:57] <Seeker`> I only noticed after it had quit
[08:58] <Seeker`> It was called Mind_Freak
[08:58] <elkbuntu> this one was a much more sedate name
[08:58] <elkbuntu> andrew4 or something lame like that
[08:59] <Seeker`> I dont think he is really sure what he is doing
[08:59] <tonyyarusso> Johnny4 (they've gone as high as 7)
[08:59] <tonyyarusso> Now going by Reaper`
[09:01] <Seeker`> He is a regular in -uk
[09:02] <Seeker`> Black_Magic that is
[09:03] <elkbuntu> ah
[09:04] <elkbuntu> tonyyarusso, /they/?!
[09:04] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: in -uc, has cycled through various nicks
[09:04] <elkbuntu> how many does he have going?
[09:04] <elkbuntu> oh
[09:05] <Seeker`> This all started when he realised that ##ubuntu-uncensored didn't have ubotu
[09:06] <elkbuntu> oh dear
[09:07] <popey> there is an ##ubuntu-uncensored?
[09:07]  * popey takes his clothes of and joins
[09:08] <Seeker`> mmm. Hob.bsee posted a log of something that happened in there, and it just so happened that it caught the beginning of him asking why there wasn;t an ubotu, and suggesting that they get together and code a replacement
[09:12] <Tm_T> hahah
[09:13] <Tm_T> popey: beware, you're not alone there
[09:13] <elkbuntu> Tm_T, i think that's now a problem of the *other* people, more than a problem of popey's
[09:13] <popey> \o/
[09:13] <elkbuntu> ###
[09:13] <elkbuntu> tehehe
[09:14] <Tm_T> elkbuntu: not really, IF me is there
[09:14]  * popey hugs elkbuntu
[09:14] <Tm_T> then it definately is popey's problem
[09:14]  * Seeker` considers joining, just to see what is going on
[09:14] <popey> nothing
[09:14] <elkbuntu> Tm_T, my point is, popey doesnt need the warning
[09:14] <elkbuntu> Seeker`, dont, you're giving them the attention they dont really need
[09:14] <Tm_T> elkbuntu: hm, true, thanks <3
[09:14] <popey> "them"
[09:14]  * popey wonders if he is one of
[09:14] <popey> "them"
[09:15] <Tm_T> popey: you don't need attention, so yes
[09:15]  * Tm_T hides
[09:16]  * Seeker` disappears
[09:27] <jpatrick> Seeker`: http://hobbsee.com/ubotu/emma_conditions you seen this?
[09:28] <elkbuntu> please stop talking about this here
[09:29] <jpatrick> ok
[09:57] <Myrtti> Tm_T: you think it would be safe for me to tell what I accidentally did yesterday at -ot?
[09:58] <Tm_T> Myrtti: it's never safe per se, but go ahead =)
[09:58] <Myrtti> you're right of course
[10:00] <elkbuntu> which was what?
[10:01] <jussi01> Myrtti: dont!! :P
[10:01] <Myrtti> I'll say it cryptically
[10:02] <Myrtti> pedo mellon.
[10:03]  * jussi01 hugs Myrtti
[10:07] <Myrtti> jussi01: did you get it ;-)
[10:07] <jussi01> Myrtti: no, didnt understand, but I already know what you did ;)
[10:07] <Myrtti> dang :-P
[10:08]  * jussi01 saw it happen
[10:08] <Myrtti> I need lunch
[10:08] <Myrtti> bad
[10:08] <jussi01> go eat then :d
[10:09] <Tm_T> don't eat me
[10:09]  * Tm_T hides
[10:10]  * jussi01 takes a bite out of Tm_T, after pulling him out from behind the couch :P
[10:14] <ajmorris|AFK> i was just wondering where ubotu is hosted? is it a private server?
[10:15] <Tm_T> is
[10:15] <ajmorris|AFK> kk
[10:27] <Seveas> ajmorris|AFK, anything else we can do for you?
[10:27] <ajmorris|AFK> ah, hello Seveas
[10:28] <ajmorris|AFK> hmm... with your ubotu, how did you define the message that it says when it doesnt have a factoid... like i dont know anything about <factoid>
[10:29] <Seveas> that's somewhere in the config
[10:29] <Seveas> @config list encyclopedia
[10:30] <Seveas> @config list plugins.Encyclopedia
[10:30] <ubotu> #database, #prefixchar, #searchorder, alert, aptdir, datadir, notfoundmsg, packagelookup, public, and relaychannel
[10:30] <ajmorris|AFK> ok, thankyou, i couldnt find it, but ill keep looking :)
[10:30] <Seveas> @config plugins.Encyclopedia.notfoundmsg
[10:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about %s - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:30] <Seveas> that's the message, %s will be replaced by the factoid
[10:30] <ajmorris|AFK> ah kk, tks
[10:32] <Seveas> ajmorris|AFK, please see the /topic -- no idling in here, bot questions are better in #ubuntu-bots
[10:32] <ajmorris|AFK> oh, sorry
[10:32] <ajmorris|AFK> is that a please get out?
[10:32] <ajmorris|AFK> :P
[10:33] <Seveas> yes
[10:33] <ajmorris|AFK> well, tks again
[10:33] <ajmorris|AFK> cya
[11:40] <Mez> damn stalkers :P
[11:40] <Pici> er? okay.
[11:41] <elkbuntu> Mez, that's not a stalker, it's your reflection... step away from the mirror.
[11:41] <Mez> elkbuntu, freenode devs following me to other areas ...
[11:42] <elkbuntu> who?
[11:42] <Mez> spb :P
[11:42] <Mez> lol
[11:42] <Mez> I just went into another server, and there he was talking hehe
[11:43] <elkbuntu> lol
[11:44] <Pici> Qtpaxa: Good morning, how can we help you today?
 and i'm stalking you two spb, Mez
[11:44] <Mez> argh!
[12:07] <ubotu> dgjones called the ops in #ubuntu (seppo)
[12:07] <ubotu> Trae called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[12:10] <ubotu> unop called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[12:10] <Pici> bleh
[12:42] <PriceChild> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=728879
[12:43]  * Pici facepalms
[12:44] <jpatrick> poor guy
[12:44]  * jussi01 headdesks
[12:44] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, someone joined the ESR club?
[12:51]  * Myrtti tags the thread with "ICT Darwin Award" tag
[13:07] <Mez> Myrtti, unfortunately, tags are not available until the next release of the forum software.
[13:08] <Mez> Lobby your local admin :D
[13:13] <PriceChild> Mez: we've got a test site going 8-)
[13:13] <Mez> PriceChild, you do ?
[13:13] <Mez> Can I see?
[13:14] <PriceChild> Mez: nope, its broken sorry.
[13:14] <Mez> PriceChild, broken?
[13:14] <PriceChild> Just giving the standard database error error.
[13:15] <Mez> PriceChild, what database error though?
[13:15] <Pici> So, when are you copying test to production?
[13:15] <PriceChild> "The database has encountered a problem."
[13:15] <PriceChild> whenever its ready? I'm just a lacky, i don't do these important things.
[13:16] <Mez> PriceChild, view the source ;) the Full error message is in a HTML comment
[13:16] <Mez> MySQL Error   : Unknown database 'uf37'
[13:17] <PriceChild> pffft, not really worrying
[14:00] <PriceChild> Installing ubuntu on a machine with an annoying graphics card for the first time, and wooo bulletproof X :D
[15:00] <Mez> @btlogin
[15:37] <ubotu> FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join)
[15:37] <ubotu> FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join)
[15:37] <ubotu> FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join)
[15:38] <jpatrick> great
[15:38]  * Pici watches
[15:39] <Mez> not a netsplit ...
[15:39] <Mez> !staff | whomp the mass join ?
[15:39] <ubotu> whomp the mass join ?: Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel or Gary,  I could use a bit of your time :)
[15:40] <PriceChild> Seveas: feature, not bug :P
[15:41] <Pici> damn, alot of people in -ungregged
[15:42] <Seveas> !staff
[15:42] <ubotu> Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel or Gary,  I could use a bit of your time :)
[15:42] <Seveas> we could use some k-lines
[15:42] <Seveas> Pici, bots I guess
[15:43] <Seveas> !staff | -unregged is now full of bots
[15:43] <ubotu> -unregged is now full of bots: Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel or Gary,  I could use a bit of your time :)
[15:45] <Pici> there we go
[15:45] <Pici> Thanks staff :)
[15:45] <Javid> let's have an explanation of why I'm banned.
[15:45] <Javid> since the one who did it isn't responding
[15:45] <Javid> too busy banning half the channel, presumably.
[15:46] <Seveas> Javid, 'Ethnic cleansing' is uncalled for.
[15:46] <Javid> well then what the hell are you doing :P
[15:46] <nalioth> what a lovely person
[15:46] <seisen> hey Pricechild can I get my cloak back?
[15:48] <Mez> -unregged is still full of clones
[15:48] <Pici> yes
[15:48] <Mez> s/clones/bots/
[15:48] <nalioth> Mez: patience
[15:49] <Mez> ah, didnt see you there nalioth :D
[15:49] <nalioth> there is another channel with thousands of them
[15:49] <nalioth> we are investigating
[15:49] <Seveas> fun
[15:49] <Seveas> nalioth, would it be good to have +rR or +i on?
[15:49] <nalioth> Mez: that's a quick way to get klined  :)
[15:50] <Mez> nalioth, sorry - was just looking how many were there
[15:50] <Pici> How many?
[15:50] <Mez> 868 in that channel
[15:50] <Mez> (from what it said)
[15:50] <PriceChild> Mez: /names
[15:51] <Mez> PriceChild, doesnt always show truly though
[15:51] <Pici> Peak for #ubuntu-unregged@freenode: 925 > Thu Mar 20
[15:51] <PriceChild> Mez: better than being klined.
[15:51] <Mez> * Can't end /NAMES command for #J: channel not found
[15:52] <jpatrick> ubotu: tell busfahrer about paste
[15:52] <Mez> PriceChild, I'm pretty sure that if I WAS klined - then 1) Staff would realise the mistake as at least 2 of them know the nickname or 2) It wouldnt take to long to get unklined by emailing the right place
[15:52]  * Pici thinks that channel is a black hole now, doesnt suggest joining.
[15:52] <Mez> PriceChild, that is of course unless I do something that I'm not meant to
[15:53] <Pici> Mez: What if the channel was turned into one of those places where auto-klines happen?
[15:54] <PriceChild> Mez: still, is it worth minutes other people's time to fix? And names work for me.
[15:54] <Mez> Pici, see #2 and PriceChild I wanted a count ... :P Which you dont get with /names
[15:55] <Pici> Mez: I know :), nal already gave me the curiousity killed the cat speech once before :)
[15:55]  * PriceChild wonders what irssi does to count them on join
[15:57] <Mez> Pici, shouldnt that be curiosity klined the cat ?
[15:57] <Pici> fyi: /names -count #channel works in irssi
[15:57] <Seveas> LjL, err, the floodbots now gang up on people
[15:57] <Seveas> that's not good :)
[15:57] <Mez> Seveas, gang up ?
[15:57] <Pici> how so Seveas?
[15:57] <Mez> do explain ?
 jake2point0: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
 jake2point0: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
 jake2point0: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[15:58] <jpatrick> haha, err
[15:58] <Pici> Idont see that.
[15:58] <Seveas> odd, channel isn't +z
[15:59]  * jpatrick neither
[16:00] <Mez> * FloodBot2 sets mode -z #ubuntu
[16:00] <Mez> * FloodBot2 removes ban on %jake2point0!*@*
[16:00] <Mez> It +z's and -z's as it mutes people to track when they stop flooding
[16:00] <Seveas> ah of course
[16:00] <Mez> which is probably why you saw all three saying it
[16:01] <Mez> hmm - looks like an arguments brewing
[16:02]  * Mez wonders who has the task of klining everyone and is flooding the network with kline commands
[16:02]  * Mez watches #freenode for staffer Excess Floods
[16:11] <Seveas> <-- jake2point0 has quit (K-lined)
[16:12] <Seveas> nalioth, wasn't that just a simple flooder?
[16:13] <Mez> yeah, he was flooding his Xorg.conf
[16:13] <Seveas> but not something hideously k-linable
[16:13] <Pici> Maybe hes guilty of something else somewhere else...
[16:13] <Seveas> he actually was in for help
[16:14] <Seveas> Pici, could be
[16:14] <Mez> * jason_ has quit (K-lined)
[16:14] <Mez> * jason_<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu-unregged
[16:14] <Mez> under a minute ?
[16:14] <Seveas> diff. ip?
[16:14] <Seveas> --- [jason_]<EMAIL_ADDRESS>: Jason Ganetsky
[16:14] <Seveas> --- [jason_] irc.freenode.net :Thu Mar 20 16:11:41 2008
[16:14] <Seveas> --- jason_ :End of WHOWAS
[16:14] <Mez> o_O
[16:15] <Mez> Kline evader ... nice
[16:15] <Pici> Same realname on whois and whowas
[16:15] <Mez> can you get a kline for evading an accidental kline I wonder?
[16:23] <nalioth> jake 2.0 unklined
[16:23] <nalioth> Mez: depends
[16:25] <Mez> nalioth, on whether it's me ? :P
[16:25] <Seveas> yes
[16:25] <Mez> :P
[16:25] <Seveas> you should always be k-lined
[16:25]  * Mez is surprised he hasnt been before
[16:26] <Mez> think the last time I was klined on any network was when I klined myself
[16:26] <Seveas> nalioth, can you fix that? :)
[16:26] <Mez> dont think I've ever been klined otherwise
[16:26] <nalioth> Seveas: he just missed it this last time
[16:26]  * jussi01 got caught in a #ubuntu accidental kline once
[16:27] <Mez> /kline #ubuntu ?
[16:27] <jussi01> no lol
[16:29] <Mez> I'm sure some of the staff feel like that sometimes
[16:29] <Mez> You know though - thats the first botnet attack that I've seen that didnt actually ... do anything
[16:29] <Pici> "Oh, its #ubuntu again"
[16:29] <Mez> It sorta just got muted and redirected to -unregged
[16:29] <Mez> where it did nothing
[16:29]  * Mez pets FloodBot
[16:30] <jpatrick> Mez: I think it's best that way... :)
[16:30] <Mez> jpatrick, I'm not complaining :D i'm happy about it
[16:46] <mneptok> hmmm ... my GF has the movie "Failure To Launch" on a CD, and i'm wondering if NASA uses an acronym for that. if so, it's lawlesome.
[16:46] <nalioth> faster than light?
[16:46]  * Pici nods
[16:46] <mneptok> that meets the same acronym criteria until we get a static warp shell
[16:47] <Mez> http://www.itc.nl/~bakker/nasa.acr.html
[16:47] <mneptok> bah, no FTL
[16:47] <Mez> IOBM = In ocean By Mistake
[16:47] <Mez> LMAO
[16:47] <mneptok> IOBM could also mean constipation
[16:48] <Pici> i/o
[16:48] <mneptok> right. it could also mean coprophilia.
[16:49] <mneptok> and now, i need to STFU
[16:49] <mneptok> "that line" is right behind my toes.
[17:01] <the_humble_noob> hello.
[17:02] <Pici> the_humble_noob: How can we help you todaY?
[17:02] <the_humble_noob> I have been banned (for argumentativeness I think)
[17:03] <the_humble_noob> Was really frustrated with a wireless problem.. and was not getting the help I was hoping for. After using caps I was banned.
[17:03] <the_humble_noob> Anyway.. needless to say.. I am feeling somewhat stupid now.
[17:03] <Pici> Okay, let me take a look here at our logs, one moment.
[17:03] <the_humble_noob> If someone could please unban me that would be great.
[17:04] <mneptok> the_humble_noob: you do realize that there are people of all skill levels in #ubuntu?
[17:04] <the_humble_noob> If not.. thanks for the great service and time everyone puts in.
[17:04] <the_humble_noob> yeah.
[17:04] <jpatrick> !guidelines | the_humble_noob: if you haven't seen these, please read them
[17:04] <ubotu> the_humble_noob: if you haven't seen these, please read them: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[17:04] <mneptok> from a cursory glance, it looks like people misunderstood you, and you got pretty steamed.
[17:04] <mneptok> AP vs ad-hoc?
[17:05] <the_humble_noob> Yes... i even drew a diagram for one of them.. they still diddnt get it.. I was really frustrated because It would be such an easy thing to fix in XP.. but in linux .. i have been trying to sort it out for HOURS :-)
[17:05] <the_humble_noob> hence.. the new nick (NOOB) because i really dont know whats going on in ubuntu half the time..
[17:06] <the_humble_noob> i would say i know like maby 10 percent of how to solve some problems on ubuntu.
[17:06] <mneptok> i feel your pain. getting people to understand exactly what the problem is can be frustrating.
[17:06] <the_humble_noob> anyway.
[17:06] <the_humble_noob> I thought it was pretty simple.
[17:06] <mneptok>  /whois mneptok
[17:06] <mneptok> i *feel* your pain
[17:06] <mneptok> but walk away, hmm?
[17:07] <the_humble_noob> what do you mean?
[17:07] <mneptok> just ... walk away.
[17:07] <the_humble_noob> er...
[17:07] <mneptok> there comes a point, usually it hits me just before a diagram, when i think "i'll do IRC again in a couple hours." ;)
[17:07] <the_humble_noob> the humble noob goes away to re-evaluate life.
[17:07] <jpatrick> the_humble_noob: his cloak maybe..
[17:08] <mneptok> there's no point getting that frustrated. they won't listen, and ops will get peeved.
[17:08] <the_humble_noob> indeed.
[17:08] <the_humble_noob> Sometimes i think it is easier to just work without irc.
[17:09] <the_humble_noob> anyhow.
[17:09] <the_humble_noob> Thanks.. if someone could let me know.. how long does this ban last for?
[17:09] <LjL-Temp> @btlogin
[17:10] <mneptok> the_humble_noob: usually 24h before the op that banned you (Seveas in this case) revisits the issue.
[17:10] <LjL-Temp> aw stupid nickname
[17:10] <jpatrick> the_humble_noob: you were banned by Seveas
[17:10] <mneptok> the_humble_noob: he may be listening, and may catch scrool, and unban you before (or after) that.
[17:10] <jpatrick> the_humble_noob: seems you !attitude-d | him...
[17:12] <the_humble_noob> yeah.. was frustrated at that point .. because I wasnt swearing at anyone or anything really outragious .. but was annoyed that they were all asking me to go buy a wireless router.. which would defeat the entire purpose of using linux to bypass having to buy a router and having to buy xp .. to use "urchased solutions:"
[17:12] <the_humble_noob> *purchased
[17:12] <Mez> the_humble_noob, smoothwall ?
[17:12] <the_humble_noob> ?
[17:12] <Mez> router - no box = smoothwall
[17:13] <the_humble_noob> oh
[17:13] <the_humble_noob> cool
[17:13] <Mez> best software based router I've found ever
[17:13] <Mez> http://www.smoothwall.org/
[17:13] <the_humble_noob> would smoothwall enable me to be able to connect my laptop to my pc.. through wifi?
[17:13] <nalioth> the_humble_noob: was there anything else we could help you with?
[17:14] <Mez> the_humble_noob, #smoothwall
[17:14] <the_humble_noob> no.. probably not. This isnt a support channel for ubuntu right? .. so i guess I will be going now.
[17:14] <mneptok> the_humble_noob: ping Seveas here this time tomorry. or just try to /join #ubuntu
[17:15] <the_humble_noob> bye.
[17:15] <the_humble_noob> thanks.
[17:16] <mneptok> that left a somewhat better impression
[17:16] <Seveas> there's nothung humble about that guy
[17:16] <mneptok> the nick change was a bit funny
[17:17] <nikrud> maybe a little humbled.  USA! USA!
[17:39] <Seveas> safe to say from canadistan :p
[17:40] <mneptok> EURSA! EURSA! EURSA!
[17:42] <LjL-Temp> CARTHAGE! CARTHAGE!  Rome, or *Tunis*? duuuuuuude. ;)
[17:43] <Seveas> GOLGAFRINCHAM! GOLGAFRINCHAM! GOLGAFRINCHAM!
[17:43] <Mez> :P
[17:43]  * Mez realises everyone is voiced
[17:43] <LjL-Temp> that's a point
[17:44] <Gary> fail
[17:44] <Mez> :P
[17:44] <mneptok> IOBM
[17:44] <Mez> lol @ mneptok
[17:46] <LjL-Temp> bah ok i shouldn't op from mirc
[17:46] <Seveas> LjL-Temp, wrong button? :)
[17:46] <LjL-Temp> Seveas: wrong client
[17:46] <Seveas> @lart LjL-Temp
[17:46] <LjL-Temp> i'll investigate konversation over x :P
[17:47] <Pici> nikrud: aww.. I wanted to put something witty in the kick message
[17:47] <nikrud> heh. I'm a man of few words
[17:48] <nikrud> besides, it might have been considered baiting, outside the coc. I guess I saved you :)
[18:09] <jussi01> Jucato: go to bed, or Ill banforward you to ##bed :P
[18:09] <Jucato> :P
[18:09] <Jucato> just need to fire up this email begging some relatives for a N800 :D
[18:17] <jussi01> hrm, we need to fix that factoid
[18:17] <jussi01> !sex
[18:17] <ubotu> Some things are inappropriate for #ubuntu-ops. Controversial topics, which always turn into flamewars: war, race, religion, politics (unless related to software licencing), gender, sexuality, drugs, spreading propaganda, questionable legal activities, removing of oneself from the planet (except by space or time travel) are not for here, perhaps #off-topic or ##politics. Microsoft software in ##windows (Please note Policy)
[18:17] <jussi01> if called in a different channel, it still says -ops
[18:17] <jussi01> what the variable to call the channel its in?
[18:18] <jussi01> !-sex
[18:18] <ubotu> sex is <alias> o4o - added by Seveas on 2007-11-15 00:10:10
[18:18] <LjL-Temp> jussi01: hm?
[18:19] <jussi01> LjL-Temp: call the o4o factoid somewhere othere than here
[18:19] <LjL-Temp> !-o4o
[18:19] <ubotu> o4o aliases: religion, sex - added by LjL on 2006-12-21 03:36:09
[18:19] <jussi01> the cahnnel is always -ops
[18:19] <LjL-Temp> !o4o
[18:19] <ubotu> Some things are inappropriate for #ubuntu-ops. Controversial topics, which always turn into flamewars: war, race, religion, politics (unless related to software licencing), gender, sexuality, drugs, spreading propaganda, questionable legal activities, removing of oneself from the planet (except by space or time travel) are not for here, perhaps #off-topic or ##politics. Microsoft software in ##windows (Please note Policy)
[18:19] <Seveas> !o4p =~ s/#ubuntu-ops/$chan/
[18:19] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ops, Seveas said: !o4p =~ s/#ubuntu-ops/$chan/
[18:19] <Seveas> !o4o =~ s/#ubuntu-ops/$chan/
[18:19] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ops, Seveas said: !o4o =~ s/#ubuntu-ops/$chan/
[18:19] <Seveas> @login
[18:19] <ubotu> OK
[18:19] <Seveas> !o4o =~ s/#ubuntu-ops/$chan/
[18:20] <ubotu> I'll remember that Seveas
[18:20] <Seveas> somebody screwed up the factoid
[18:20] <jussi01> thanks Seveas, I had forgotten it :)
[18:20] <jussi01> yeah, looks that way
[18:20] <LjL-Temp> it's been made shorter
[18:20] <LjL-Temp> so i think i know who to point to :P
[18:21] <jussi01> heh
[18:21] <Seveas> LjL-Temp, you originally vroke it
[18:22] <Seveas> no, I'm reading logs wrong
[18:22] <Seveas> Hobbsee broke it
[18:22] <Seveas> (logs in ubotu suck, they're puzzling)
[18:23] <LjL-Temp> Seveas: blame the author
[18:23] <Seveas> yeah
[18:23] <Seveas> he sucks
[18:30] <Seveas> --> ey-nonymous<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu
[18:32] <nalioth> not mudkips! oh noes!
[18:33] <LjL-Temp> aw come on, you're jumping in joy and clapping your hands
[18:55] <ubotu> In ubotu, Sulabh said: !foo is Lets have a meeting bar
[18:55] <ubotu> In ubotu, Sulabh said: !foo is Lets bar
[18:56] <ubotu> In ubotu, Sulabh said: !foo is the bar
[18:56] <ubotu> In ubotu, Sulabh said: !foo is jpt
[18:56] <Myrtti> !botabuse > Sulabh
[20:06] <ubotu> In ubotu, flipstar said: this is okay for me
[20:25] <bodhi_zazen> 'lo everyone
[20:26] <bodhi_zazen> just a FYI really
[20:26] <bodhi_zazen> the beginner team made a new channel, #beginners-help
[20:26] <bodhi_zazen> I do not know it this will be a logn term channel or not, but is there any need to make it an official ubuntu channel ?
[20:27] <bodhi_zazen> The intent is to offer support to new users who show up on #ubuntu
[20:27]  * PriceChild is confused
[20:27] <PriceChild> (and by the way earlier, you meant 'the ubuntuforums beginner team' ?
[20:28] <bodhi_zazen> yes that team
[20:29] <bodhi_zazen> There was a conversation you had with some of the team members re: starting an irc channel and learning how difficult it can be
[20:29] <PriceChild> I had? When?
[20:29] <bodhi_zazen> I guess they are going to learn ...
[20:29] <bodhi_zazen> yea, with Tronx
[20:29] <bodhi_zazen> when you and he were disussing #ubuntu
[21:33] <ubotu> Lamego called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[21:38] <jrib> "he better watches his ass" heh...
[21:40] <Tm_T> ?
[21:55] <jrib> Tm_T: comment from a banee
[22:08] <Tm_T> oke
[22:17] <ubotu> FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[22:17] <ubotu> FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[22:19] <ubotu> FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[22:19] <ubotu> FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[22:19] <ubotu> FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[22:27] <Czessi> Hi, this morning I become my Kubuntu Member. It would by nice, if someone can set the Member cloak for me. My Launchpad profile is https://launchpad.net/~czessi . Thanks a lot
[22:28] <LjL-Temp> Czessi, please ensure that you have an alternate nickname set up and linked to your primary nickname, and also that an email address is set in nickserv (it can be marked as hidden)
[22:28] <LjL-Temp> !register
[22:28] <ubotu> By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about registering your nickname: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration - Type « /nick <nickname> » to select your nickname.
[22:28] <LjL-Temp> (some other piece of that page :)
[22:32] <LjL-Temp> Czessi_, you can ask for "czessi_" to be dropped if you like, it's last been used a long time ago (ask in #freenode)
[22:36] <Czessi_> LjL-Temp: ok, thanks. i will check this
[22:37] <LjL-Temp> at any rate i need a linked nickname (any linked nickname) for the cloak
[22:38] <Czessi> ok
[22:40] <Gary> czessi_: I was watching your chat here, thats why :p
[22:41] <LjL-Temp> Gary: linked and email set?
[22:42] <Gary> yep
[22:42] <Gary> to the primary Czessi nick
[22:42] <LjL-Temp> Gary, could you, please
[22:43] <LjL-Temp> Czessi__, you should have received an email about your cloak
[22:46] <Gary> Czessi__: once you have finished with nicknames, can you /nick to your primary nick for me?
[22:48] <Czessi__> Gary: yes, i'll create fix an alternate nick for my notebook nick (Czessi-m)
[22:54] <Czessi> LjL-Temp, Gary: finished, Czessi is my primary Nick and my alternate nicks are: Czessi_, Czessi__, Czessi-m, Czessi-m_ and Czessi-m__
[22:54] <Czessi> thanks
[22:54] <LjL-Temp> wow :)
[22:55] <Gary> loadsa nicks :p
[22:55] <ompaul> Czessi, you sure you got enough ;-)
[22:55] <LjL-Temp> well i have more but then again :)
[22:55] <Czessi> ompaul: yes ;)
[22:56] <Gary> Czessi: and you also now have a shiny cloak
[22:56] <LjL-Temp> Gary: thanks
[22:56] <Gary> well done on ubuntu membership \o/
[22:56] <Czessi> cool, thanks a lot :-)
[23:04] <LjL-Temp> hey what is my bot doing in £kubuntu
[23:05] <Myrtti> because they luvz it
[23:06] <Myrtti> <3
[23:08] <TheSheep> what's Łkubuntu?
[23:08] <TheSheep> Łukasz's Ubuntu?
[23:18] <mneptok> "pound"
[23:18] <Pici> if you say so
[23:21] <LjL-Temp> i'm on the wrong keyboard layout
[23:22] <Pici> both bots are in #ubuntu, I muted ubotwo, but it'll probably send out a double message when !this > that is used
[23:22] <LjL-Temp> but i never made it join
[23:23] <Pici> I'm just telling you what I see
[23:23] <LjL-Temp> yeah
[23:25] <ompaul> LjL, will you ask it to leave or will I?
[23:26] <LjL-Temp> did already
[23:26] <ompaul> ack
[23:27] <ompaul> * peeps[work] has quit ("No, I do not use *sham*poo! I only use real poo. Nothing but the best poo for my wigs.")  <-- forwarded to here
[23:28] <Pici> eh?
[23:28]  * Pici has no problem with that quit message
[23:29] <LjL-Temp> certainly seen worse
[23:29] <ompaul> concur
[23:29] <ompaul> however it is pushing an envelope or am I being too touchy?
[23:30] <nalioth> ompaul: take a walk ( that's a harmless old joke )
[23:30] <Pici> I think you're being too touchy, and if nal was here... er
[23:30] <Pici> (if nalioth was here he'd say something and then go off muttering about dalnet or something)
[23:31] <ompaul> k
[23:31]  * ompaul goes for a walk
[23:31] <ompaul> until tomorrow folks
[23:32] <ompaul> I should have known - if you have to ask ... etc
[23:45] <Gary> tsk... dalnet tsk... mumble mumble
[23:47] <nalioth> tsk, that guy Gary. . . . mumble mumble
[23:47] <PriceChild> tsk in general tks tsk mumble mumble...
[23:58] <Myrtti> nitey night kids <3


 @oMarceloVentura, o/
 @oMarceloVentura, 😢
 what did you say?
 @reamann, 😱
 (Document) http://vps.tsimonq2.net:9090//file_1291.mp4
 good afternoon, guys!
 @Schyken would know, he's the only person who does that kind of programming ;)
 (Document) http://vps.tsimonq2.net:9090//file_1296.mp4


[00:00] <crimsun> mateusz: you'll probably find https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelMaintenance#head-ef6ca858b4b97c1ad30639e34d92abb11ef37cf8 useful, but I recommend you inspect updating it for a hardy SAUCE one.
[00:00] <crimsun> inspect->consider working on
[00:03] <mateusz> crimsun: I am not using hardy
[00:04] <crimsun> mateusz: that's fine; I merely mentioned consider benefitting others.
[00:05] <mateusz> crimsun: there must be a reason why this patch is from 2006 now in mainline of kernel
[00:06] <mateusz> no in mainline
[00:31] <mateusz> crimsun: is ubuntu 2.6.22 kernel modifed ?
[00:31] <mateusz> crimsun: I thought the sources are vanilla
[00:31] <mateusz> so it should be possible to applay patch on <IP_ADDRESS>
[00:32] <crimsun> mateusz: yes, the Ubuntu kernels are modified.
[00:32] <mateusz> quilt or dpatch ?
[00:32] <mjg59> No
[00:32] <crimsun> mateusz: git.  https://kernel.ubuntu.com
[00:32] <mateusz> heh.. but the tar.bz shouldnt be modified
[00:33] <mateusz> then how am I suppose to applay patch which only applays on vanilla while preserving all ubuntu patches ?
[00:34] <mjg59> If it only applies to vanilla, then the Ubuntu patches would be unlikely to apply after you applied it
[00:49] <mateusz> mjg59: if I want to make a patch for current ubuntu kernel
[00:49] <mateusz> mjg59: what I should do?
[00:49] <mateusz> mjg59: for the 2.6.22-14 I guess this one is in gutsy
[00:50] <mjg59> Grab the kernel source, and generate a patch against it
[00:50] <mateusz> from git?
[00:50] <mateusz> or from source package /
[00:50] <mjg59> If you don't want it to go to the main distribution, then just apt-get the source
[00:51] <mateusz> No, I want it to go to main dist
[00:52] <mjg59> Then the best way is to pull the git tree, make your change, commit it and then publish your git tree
[00:52] <mjg59> Then you can ask<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to pull from your tree - best way is to file a bug report and mention that in the pull request
[00:52] <mjg59> But only critical bug fixes are likely to be applied against the gutsy tree
[00:53] <mateusz> this is serious bug
[00:53] <mateusz> as there are packages in gutsy
[00:53] <mateusz> which need that patch
[00:53] <mateusz> they're useless
[00:54] <mateusz> and its very misleading
[00:55] <mateusz> mjg59: is it possible to use hardy as desktop?
[06:58] <pitti> Good morning
[06:59] <dholbach> good morning
[08:06] <warp10> Good morning!
[08:07] <pitti> hi warp10
[08:08] <warp10> pitti: :)
[09:04] <pitti> does anyone know a good shell pendant of wait(..., NOWAIT), i. e. checking if a backgrounded process finished? "jobs | grep Done" smells too much like a hack to me
[09:04] <seb128> hey pitti
[09:04]  * pitti hugs seb128
[09:04]  * seb128 hugs pitti
[09:07] <soren> pitti: test -d /proc/$pid ?
[09:08] <soren> or
[09:08] <soren> ps -p $pid > /dev/null
[09:10] <pitti> soren: hm, that could work; so I just need to convert the jobspec (%1) to a pid
[09:11] <pitti> jobs -l
[09:11]  * pitti notices that jobs -s and -r options don't actually work
[09:12] <persia> jobs -r works for me
[09:12] <pitti> -r shows "done", and -s shows "Running" ones for me
[09:13] <pitti> heh, maybe I should just trap SIGCHLD
[09:14] <soren> pitti: Can't you just grab the pid when you just started it?
[09:14] <soren> From $!..
[09:15] <pitti> oh, handy
[09:15] <soren> Very :)
[09:15] <pitti> (that's not in man dash)
[09:15] <soren> Sure it is.
[09:15] <pitti> nor in man bash
[09:15] <soren> In the "Special parameters" section.
[09:16] <soren> !            Expands to the process ID of the most recent background command executed from the current shell.
[09:16] <soren> For a
[09:16] <soren>                   pipeline, the process ID is that of the last command in the pipeline.
[09:18] <lool> I do find these $.* expansions hard to grep for in the *sh man pages too  :)
[09:19] <soren> lool: I usually just grep for something like ! and then scroll up and down a bit :)
[09:23] <pitti> soren: ah, too bad; the process needs to be fg'ed/wait'ed on, otherwise it'll stay in ps output forever as Z
[09:23] <pitti> soren: (likewise, kill -0 keeps succeeding)
[09:23] <pitti> bah
[09:24] <pitti> oh, hm, now it works; odd
[09:24] <pitti> while kill -0 $!; do
[09:24] <pitti> ok, that seems to do the trick
[09:26] <soren> dash has a "wait" builtin.
[09:26] <soren> AFAIR
[09:26] <pitti> right, but that blocks
[09:26] <soren> point
[09:26] <pitti> I want to move fsck into the background, update usplash in teh foreground
[10:21] <soren> When is the source changes file supposed to contain the Description field?
[10:21] <soren> I see that it changed with my new dpkg merge and I'm wondering if I bollocksed it up somehow.
[10:22] <pitti> that's news to me, too
[10:22] <soren>   * Some code refactoring on dpkg-genchanges and bug fixes in the generation
[10:22] <soren>     of the Description: field. As a result, source only uploads will no more
[10:22] <soren>     have Description fields.
[10:22] <soren> That explains it :)
[10:22] <soren> Ok, so I didn't break it. \o/
[10:23] <thegodfather> soren: did you complete the libvirt transition now?
[10:23] <pitti> well, I guess few, if any, people actually want to read that
[10:23] <thegodfather> (vs libxen)
[10:23] <soren> thegodfather: I belive I did so on Friday.
[10:24] <thegodfather> soren: ok thanks
[10:25] <soren> :)
[10:25]  * thegodfather prepares a new cluster upload
[10:25] <soren> Yay!
[10:26]  * soren taps his fingers waiting for the clock to hit 11:29 so that he can get shiny, new, working server install iso's. Whee!
[10:28] <pochu> soren: the gtk-vnc patch is used by your virt-* combo keys stuff, am I right? I'm wondering whether it makes sense to forward the patch to the Debian maintainer, but I thought it would only make sense if the virt-* maintainers were going to use it. But as he maintains virt-viewer I think I'll forward it to him and let him decide if he wants it or not
[10:29] <soren> pochu: No, they're entirely separate.
[10:30] <soren> pochu: The patch enables an extension to the VNC protocol that sends key codes rather than keysyms over the wire. This alleviates practially all problems you might encounter if you're not using US keymapping everywhere.
[10:30] <soren> pochu: The combo keys stuff is just a one-liner. (assuming we're talking about the same combo keys stuff)
[10:41] <Riddell> pitti: can you move the feisty and gutsy packages of bug 184149 to -updates sometime?  they've been verified by sru-verification
[10:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 184149 in kdelibs "[hardy]xembed and flash support patches doesn't work for konqueror" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184149
[10:42] <pitti> Riddell: yes
[10:44] <lool> soren: I saw this in a cl when updating: http://paste.ubuntu.com/4426/ perhaps it's worth cherrypicking the dpkg-gensymbols changes?
[10:46] <pitti> Riddell: done; doing kitchensync now, too
[10:49] <Riddell> thanks
[10:50] <soren> lool: dpkg <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu1 will be uploaded later today.
[10:51] <eradicus>  /j #ubuntu-kernel
[10:51] <eradicus> oops
[10:52] <lool> soren: Excellent; thanks!
[11:33] <tkamppeter> hi pitti
[11:35] <pitti> hi tkamppeter
[11:57] <tkamppeter> pitti, have you seen my mails about the Brother driver packages?
[11:58] <pitti> tkamppeter: yes, and answered one which was incomplete; your review was good otherwise
[11:59] <slytherin> elmo: lamont: Is it possible preseed the debconf question for j2sdk package on buildd. batik has an FTBFS currently and uses j2sdk as build dependency.
[12:05] <tkamppeter> pitti, your answer did not arrive in my mailbox, did you send it only to Jeremy?
[12:06] <pitti> tkamppeter: no, To: was you, and CC: was Jeremy and Saïvann
[12:10] <tkamppeter> It really did not arrive at me, I even looked into my spam folders.
[12:11] <pitti> tkamppeter: let me boot my notebook and check if it's stuck in its local MTA
[12:21] <pitti> oh, argh
[12:21] <pitti> there are 24 mails stuck in the local MTA, sorry
[12:23] <pitti> ok, flushed
[12:24] <pitti> tkamppeter: you should get it any second now
[12:28] <tkamppeter> pitti, I got them now. Thanks.
[12:29] <pitti> tkamppeter: thanks for poking me about this; I now added a 'stuck MTA' check into my .bashrc :)
[12:30] <Hobbsee> pitti: like the mega killall gnome script?
[12:30] <pitti> much less intimidating :)
[12:30] <Hobbsee> awww
[12:30] <pitti> mailq | grep -v 'is empty'
[12:30]  * Hobbsee wonders what else pitti has
[12:38] <slytherin> pitti: Sorry I couldn't be available on weekend for testing jockey. Have you created handler for broadcom?
[12:39] <pitti> slytherin: yes, and tested by TheMuso; I uploaded it to Hardy this morning (2ubuntu3), so maybe you can test that version in the archive?
[12:39] <slytherin> pitti: Ok. I will do it tomorrow probably
[12:39] <pitti> slytherin: great, thanks
[13:03] <geser> pitti: please give back: gutsy-wallpapers feisty-gdm-themes. They failed to upload due to main -> universe demotion. Thanks.
[13:05] <Hobbsee> geser: (done)
[13:06] <geser> Hobbsee: thanks
[13:58] <DarkSun88> Hi all
[14:09] <Mithrandir> pitti: why is it the ConsoleKit dbus policy allows root to send to "org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit.Manager" with a member of "OpenConsoleWithParameters", but disallows others to use the member "OpenSessionWithParameters"?  (Note different member parameter)
[14:10] <pitti> re
[14:10] <seb128> StevenK: could you update bluez-utils to 3
[14:10] <seb128> 3.26?
[14:10] <pitti> geser: done
[14:10] <Hobbsee> seb128: (he'll probably be asleep by now)
[14:10] <Mithrandir> seb128: any interesting changes or just because it has a higher version number?
[14:10] <pitti> Mithrandir: hm, good question; might be a typo
[14:10] <seb128> Mithrandir: the new gnome-bluetooth requires the new version
[14:10] <Mithrandir> seb128: ok
[14:11] <seb128> Mithrandir: I'm pinging StevenK because he did the previous update, if you want to do it you are welcome ;-)
[14:12] <Mithrandir> pitti: yes, that was what I was wondering.  And I'm wondering how I'm going to write something that is to CK like how seahorse, gpg-agent, ssh-agent and friends are to their programs.
[14:12] <Mithrandir> seb128: yeah, pondering it, to take my brain away from being fried on OverdoseKit.
[14:13] <pitti> Mithrandir: I'll file a bug upstream and see what they say
[14:13] <Mithrandir> pitti: coolie
[14:17] <pitti> Mithrandir: freedesktop bug 14459; I checked that it's still like that in git head
[14:17] <ubotu> Freedesktop bug 14459 in Daemon "Typo in dbus.conf: OpenConsoleWithParameters()" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14459
[14:17] <pitti> Mithrandir: thanks for pointing out
[14:18] <Mithrandir> pitti: happy to help.
[14:24] <zul> pitti: when you get a chance can you look at the vblade MIR again.
[14:27] <pitti> zul, soren: dnsmasq? why can't kvm etc. use our standard dhcp3-server?
[14:27] <pitti> in hardy we try to *reduce* duplication, not introduce more of it :/
[14:31] <pitti> zul: vlade> ack
[14:31] <zul> pitti: thanks
[14:39] <mateusz> Is Ubuntu kernel patched with hdaps_protect ?
[14:41] <Ko_deZ> Hi all
[14:41] <Ko_deZ> I am playing with pbuilder, and having some problems
[14:42] <Ko_deZ> I am trying to compile the latest dvb-apps (linuxtv project), and it fails.
[14:42] <Ko_deZ> http://pastebin.com/d1a7bb138
[14:43] <Ko_deZ> actually it fails when compiling on my local system as well.
[14:43] <soren> pitti: Because dnsmasq is small and lovely unlike that other thing.
[14:43] <Ko_deZ> Could anyone give me a hint on what makes this error appear?
[14:44] <Ko_deZ> I am running kubuntu 7.10
[14:44] <pitti> soren: but we have used and supported dhcp3-server for years, and suddenly pulling in another one sounds bad both maintenance and support-wise
[14:46] <soren> pitti: The alternative is to maintain weird, ugly patches to stuff like libvirt.
[14:47] <Riddell> Ko_deZ: talk to upstream
[14:47] <pitti> soren: to change the called command from dnsmasq to dhcp3d?
[14:47] <soren> pitti: You realise they're not cli compatible?
[14:48] <pitti> sure
[14:48] <soren> pitti: ...and that dnsmasq also provides dns.
[14:48] <cjwatson> mateusz: #ubuntu-kernel would be more effctive
[14:48] <cjwatson> effective
[14:48] <soren> pitti: and is made for this particular scenario..
[14:49] <pitti> soren: why not have the dhcp server just pass the host nameserver?
[14:49] <pitti> soren: can you please list some reasons in the MIR?
[14:49] <Ko_deZ> Riddell: I have been trying to get help on their irc channel for a while. No luck. I was hoping someone could tell me if there is a dev or header file I need to install for this.
[14:50] <pitti> TBH, we have enough bugs on dhcp3, we don't really need more from dnsmasq
[14:50] <pitti> and we should check this with the support team, too
[14:50] <pitti> soren: I perfectly see the rationale for dnsmasq on an embedded system like openwrt
[14:51]  * soren is on the phone
[14:51] <pitti> but on a server which is beefy enough to run kvm it hardly matters
[14:51] <soren> Gimme 5 minutes.
[14:51] <pitti> soren: ah; no problem, take your time :)
[14:51] <pitti> (random note: just got a wrt54 on the weekend, with openwrt; nice toy!)
[14:53] <Mithrandir> there, new bluez-{libs,utils} uploaded.
[14:54]  * seb128 hugs Mithrandir
[14:54] <seb128> Mithrandir: thanks
[14:54] <seb128> crevette: ^
[15:10] <Riddell> evand: tm_t has been talking to you about windows profile for qt ubiquity?
[15:11] <evand> Riddell: indeed, in the middle of a conversation with him now about it
[15:11] <evand> I'm unfamiliar with COSS.fi though.
[15:12] <Riddell> evand: if he gets it are you happy to answer his questions about the debconf side?
[15:13] <tjaalton> coss.fi is an organization promoting the use of open-source software in Finland
[15:13] <evand> Riddell: yeah, I basically said the important bit is the core migration-assistant C code.  Things outside of that, like the ubiquity GUI bits are either bonus, or can be learned along the way (Debian policy, debconf, if needed at all)
[15:14] <Riddell> evand: surely it's not much use without a GUI?
[15:16] <soren> pitti: I've added a bit of info to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionDnsMasq
[15:16] <evand> well no, it's not.  But my point was that the GUI is a small aspect of the code nowadays.  It's just a matter of updating the KDE ubiquity UI to match the GTK side.
[15:17] <evand> Riddell: ^
[15:17] <Riddell> evand: ok, thanks
[15:17] <evand> But it's a just a treeview with the GTK set/get code already there, so it should be a simple port.
[15:18] <pitti> soren: why do we need bind for kvm in the first place?
[15:19] <selckin> soren: debian maintance link 404's
[15:19] <pitti> soren: and our libc already DTRT for resolv.conf changes
[15:19] <soren> pitti: It's for libvirt. Does it say kvm?
[15:19] <soren> That's a mistake.
[15:19] <pitti> well, yeah, libvirt
[15:20] <soren> pitti: Why? Er.. Becuase I'm running virtual machines in it that would like to lookup stuff in dns?
[15:20] <soren> pitti: libc does not come into play at all.
[15:20] <soren> pitti: er.. for dns lookups at least.
[15:20] <soren> pitti: And we don't need bind. We need dnsmasq :)
[15:21] <pitti> my question is, why do we need a nameserver at all?
[15:21] <soren> ..
[15:21] <pitti> the guests can just use the host's nameserver (that works fine for me at least)
[15:21] <soren> Tons of reasons.
[15:21] <soren> a) the host's dns might change.
[15:21] <soren> b) you might move your vm to another host.
[15:22] <pitti> ^ good reason
[15:25] <soren> selckin: Fixed. Thansk.
[15:25] <soren> alias Thansk=Thanks
[15:25] <soren> ah..
[16:04] <dholbach> can somebody moderate my ubuntu-devel-announce mail?
[16:05] <dholbach> mvo: your stuff in OpenSUSE and Slackware: http://blogs.warwick.ac.uk/bweber/entry/untitled_entry_1/ - http://www.fredemmott.co.uk/blog_133
[16:18] <mvo> dholbach: meh, cool!
[16:18] <seb128> mvo: what is cool?
[16:19] <mvo> seb128: command-not-found seems to become popular in other distros as well
[16:19] <seb128> ah, nice
[16:19] <seb128> mvo: what distro is using it now?
[16:20] <dholbach> seb128: opensuse and slackware
[16:21] <seb128> slackware has a packaging system now? ;-)
[16:23] <mvo> heh :)
[16:35] <asac> soren: avail?
[16:35] <soren> asac: Wazzup?
[16:36] <asac> soren: lol :) ... what do you think about nm vpn plugins going to main?
[16:37] <asac> soren: i assume you know better how well upstream deals with security updates and how much they care about stable branch maintenance
[16:38] <asac> soren: and maybe you know about any blocker that might lead to a bad user experience
[16:38] <soren> asac: I'm afraid noone gives much attention to the vpn plugins.
[16:38] <soren> asac: Last I checked, they never even had a proper release. I've always just grabbed a random svn checkout.
[16:39] <asac> ok. i think that would be enough of a blocker to disqualify them from entering main :/
[16:39] <asac> who maintains them upstream? is it the same team that does NM ?
[16:40] <soren> asac: I'm not sure to be honest. I'd ask on the mailing list if I were you.
[16:40] <asac> soren: ok ... do you speak for all vpn plugins or just the vpnc one?
[16:40] <soren> I haven't looked into them for over a year and even then I mostly just did the packaging and wrote a few small patches.
[16:41] <asac> ok thanks
[16:41] <soren> asac: vpnc and openvpn, but I have the feeling it's true for all three (or four if the ipsec one was ever finished).
[16:41] <soren> ...things might have changed over the last year, but I haven't seen much activity about them on the nm mailing list.
[16:42] <asac> yeah
[16:43] <soren> I think the functionality is really cool, but I'm afraid this is one of the times where the lack of activity can't be excused by "if it works, don't fix it" :)
[16:44] <asac> right ... there are definitly a few bugs that might justify some activity
[16:44] <soren> Quite so.
[17:12] <DarkSun88> Hi all
[17:22] <wasabi> So... the 'kvm' module keeps loading... even though I have it black listed... and it's incompatible with vmware (causes system to crash). Why might the blacklist be ignored in this case?
[17:46] <pitti> Mithrandir: got a response from CK upstream; so it's really s/Console/System/ in the dbus conf
[18:17] <TeXnicer> Moin!
[18:17] <TeXnicer> Is this english?
[18:18] <TeXnicer> Nihongo? Farsi? Francais? Neederlaans?
[18:19] <_MMA_> TeXnicer: DO you want to know the language of the channel? If so, its English.
[18:19] <thom> english
[18:19] <TeXnicer> Rgr. Thx.
[18:20] <TeXnicer> Well, this IS a support question, while I was redirected from #ubuntu-de -> #debian-de -> #ubuntu-devel... looking for help concerning my Harddiskdrive
[18:20] <mjg59> TeXnicer: Then I'm afraid this isn't the right place to ask
[18:20] <TeXnicer> 2.5" Toshiba 6GB rather old, was accessed well under 6.10, since 7.10 I get bad bootmessages
[18:21] <TeXnicer> like in pata and /grub/menu.lst   ... any clue -- or at least where to look?
[18:22] <TeXnicer> mjg59: Where might be the right place to ask or lookup?
[18:23] <TeXnicer> BTW: Where can I push forward the translation-programm (german)?
[18:24] <_MMA_> TeXnicer: #ubuntu #ubuntu-forums or the Ubuntu Forums themselves.
[18:24] <_MMA_> Sorry, #ubuntuforums
[18:24] <TeXnicer> mma just got forwarded? LOL
[18:24] <TeXnicer> ubuntu-forums
[18:26] <TeXnicer> Thx! Go ahead! Keep it on, folks... I thank you for such an nice distri!
[18:26] <_MMA_> TeXnicer: I'm gonna say bad hardware or something to do with the libata transition. Anymore than that, I would say look into the places above.
[18:30] <TeXnicer> hardware seems to be okay under 6.10
[18:30] <TeXnicer> i try in -forums now, thx&bye!
[19:21] <bSON> hi
[19:21] <bSON> (05:31:11 PM) denisw: where does apport save the apps for which it shouldn't show any bug reporting dialogs for?
[19:21] <bSON> oops, yeah the question is copy-pasted here ;)
[20:28] <geser> pitti: it looks like pkg-create-dbgsym got broken, all builds fail with "dpkg-gencontrol: failure: cannot read -: No such file or directory
[20:28] <geser> Error: parsed ddeb section or priority is empty
[20:28] <geser> make: *** [binary-arch] Error 1"
[20:29] <geser> e.g. http://launchpadlibrarian.net/11875738/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-amd64.netpbm-free_2%3A10.0-11.1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[20:33] <seb128> are the LANG and LANGUAGE formats described somewhere?
[20:34] <slangasek> ebman 7 locale?
[20:34] <slangasek> seb128: man 7 locale?
[20:43] <seb128> slangasek: no LANG or LANGUAGE there on my hardy
[20:43] <seb128> ups
[20:43] <seb128> no, no description or what they contain
[20:43] <slangasek> hmm, ok
[20:43] <seb128> slangasek: the issue is
[20:44] <seb128> $ cat /etc/default/locale
[20:44] <seb128> LANG="fr_FR.UTF-8"
[20:44] <seb128> LANGUAGE="fr_FR:fr:en_GB:en"
[20:44] <seb128> or gdm use LANGUAGE
[20:44] <seb128> and complains about fr_FR not being a valid locale
[20:44] <seb128> which is right
[20:44] <slangasek> hmm
[20:44] <seb128> and I'm not sure on whether gdm is wrong to expect locales there or if LANGUAGE should be fr_FR.UTF-8:en_GB.UTF-8:etc
[20:44] <slangasek> LANGUAGE isn't supposed to be a list of locales, but a list of languages
[20:45] <slangasek> but it's a GNU extension, I don't know where it's documented
[20:45] <seb128> is that written somewhere?
[20:45] <seb128> hum, k
[21:02] <geser> soren: the new dpkg seems to cause many FTBFS on the buildds
[21:03] <LaserJock> pitti: any ETA on when the gutsy lang packs in PPA will make it to -updates?
[21:06] <slangasek> geser: how do you know it's the new dpkg?  the new dpkg was uploaded some time ago, was it not installed on the buildds until now?
[21:09] <seb128> slangasek: the build log he pointed before has the new dpkg installed
[21:10] <seb128> slangasek: and looks like a pkg-create-dbgsym issue, likely created by the dpkg changes
[21:10] <slangasek> seb128: but so does an older, successful build log from earlier
[21:11] <slangasek> er, oh
[21:11] <slangasek> no, now I see the new dpkg, n/m :)
[21:13] <geser> slangasek: dpkg 1.14.16ubuntu1 got uploaded 3 hours ago
[21:16] <geser> slangasek: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/11876179/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-amd64.scrapbook_<IP_ADDRESS>-2ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz might be the same problem but here the package build on i386
[21:31] <slangasek> geser: yes, I was evidently looking at stale archive state and thought dpkg was last uploaded mid-January
[21:53] <soren> Argh, fuck.
[21:53] <soren> slangasek: Got a plan?
[21:54] <soren> slangasek: Any idea what the problem is?
[21:54] <slangasek> soren: no clue at this point
[21:54] <seb128> soren: perfect timing, just when the new GNOME is being uploaded ;-)
[21:54] <slangasek> I was hoping you had a better idea, since you'd done the merge ;)
[21:55] <soren> slangasek: No, I'll look into it right away.
[21:55] <torkel> seb128: re LANGUAGE see http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/manual/html_node/Locale-Categories.html#Locale-Categories
[21:56] <soren> slangasek: Does everything fail?
[21:56] <slangasek> soren: pkg-create-dbgsyms seems to be failing rather consistently, but I haven't verified whether there are cases where it succeeds (I'm not sure how to go about looking those up)
[21:57] <soren> slangasek: Me neither.
[21:57] <soren> No, some things work.
[21:58] <soren> I'm looking at a pure arch:all package that built just fine.
[21:58] <soren> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/11876766/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-i386.kqemu_1.3.0%7Epre11-8_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz
[21:58] <slangasek> a pure arch: all package shouldn't have pkg-create-dbgsyms try to do anything significant though :)
[22:00] <soren> If I don't have pkg-craete-dbgsyms locally everything works, yes.
[22:00] <soren> That explains why I didn't see it while testing.
[22:02] <geser> soren: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/11875714/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-amd64.flex_2.5.34-2.1_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz has some interesting warnings: "Use of uninitialized value in hash element at /usr/bin/dpkg-genchanges line 468."
[22:04] <seb128> torkel: thanks
[22:04] <soren> geser: Erk, yes, that doesn't look too well.
[22:05] <slangasek> soren: I guess it's dpkg-gencontrol that's failing, right? there are a number of changes to that file in the merge; how does pkg-create-dbgsyms invoke it?
[22:05] <soren> slangasek: I'm trying to figure that out.
[22:05] <slangasek> ok :)
[22:07] <soren> The only changes I made to dpkg-genchanges are about Launchad-Bugs-Fixed magic.
[22:07] <soren> At least that was the intent.
[22:07] <soren> :)
[22:07] <geser> soren: but this warning exist also in http://launchpadlibrarian.net/11869736/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-amd64.apt_0.7.9ubuntu9_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz which still used the old dpkg, so nothing new
[22:08] <soren> geser: Lovely, thanks for looking that up! That's likely to have saved me quite a bit of head ache :)
[22:08] <slangasek> soren: right; it's dpkg <IP_ADDRESS> that has the sweeping changes to dpkg-gencontrol
[22:08] <soren> pitti: around?
[22:11]  * soren boggles at the fact that there's logic in pkg-create-dbgsym for debhelper compat level 1
[22:12] <soren> Ah... I've got a good guess as to what's going on..
[22:17] <soren> Er...
[22:17] <soren> I'm no perl guru, but isn't the third argumennt to open supposed to be the flags?
[22:17] <soren> From the new dpkg: open(CDATA, "<", $file)
[22:17] <soren> Kaboom!
[22:18] <soren> The old dpkg:
[22:18] <soren>     open(CDATA, "< $controlfile") ||
[22:20] <blueyed> soren: maybe open(CDATA, "<".$file) was intended (but no perl guru either)
[22:21] <soren> That would probably work, too. I've change it to "< $file".
[22:21] <slangasek> soren: that appears to be legal use of perl open(), but if you want to use the magic '-' value for stdin or stdout it apparently doesn't work so well
[22:21] <slangasek> "In the 2-arguments (and 1-argument) form opening ’-’ opens STDIN and opening '>-' opens STDOUT." perlfunc(1)
[22:22] <slangasek> and if you use the comma, you obviously aren't using the 2-argument form, so. :)
[22:22] <soren> slangasek: How do we fix this?
[22:22] <slangasek> soren: I think the fix you just described would be correct
[22:22] <soren> slangasek: If I just upload the new one, it'll fail to build.
[22:22] <slangasek> will it? are there dbgsym packages built from dpkg?
[22:22] <soren> Sure.
[22:23] <soren> Only dpkg-dev is arch:all.
[22:23] <slangasek> well, upload the fix all the same, and then we can beg a manual bootstrapping from a buildd admin
[22:23] <geser> I've tested the new dpkg-dev with the old /usr/bin/dpkg-genchanges but still the same error
[22:23] <soren> geser: YEs, it's in $PERL/Dpkg/Control.pm
[22:23] <soren> slangasek: Yeah.
[22:23] <soren> lamont: Around?
[22:23] <lamont> yeah
[22:24] <lamont> in this channel anyway. :-)
[22:24] <soren> Are you following this, or should I fill you in?
[22:24] <lamont> soren: --> infinity
[22:24] <soren> Alright.
[22:24] <soren> infinity: Are you following this?
[22:25] <soren> infinity: New dpkg broke the world. A new upload of dpkg will just ftbfs, so I need manual intervention.
[22:26] <geser> soren: iirc there is an option to disable the package mangling, or will it failed for other reasons?
[22:27] <soren> NO_PKG_MANGE will certainly fix it.
[22:28] <soren> NO_PKG_MANGLE, even.
[22:28] <soren> slangasek: What do you think? Upload a fixed version with that, have it built and published, and the upload a new one without NO_PKG_MANGLE?
[22:31] <slangasek> soren: oh, sure, go for it
[22:31] <soren> Will do.
[22:34] <seb128> soren: right I would do that
[22:35] <soren> I'm on it.
[22:36] <soren> infinity: Never mind :)
[22:42]  * soren uploads
[22:42]  * seb128 hugs soren
[22:49] <soren> debian bug 465340
[22:49] <ubotu> Debian bug 465340 in dpkg "dpkg: Broken call to open in Dpkg/Control.pm" [Important,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/465340
[22:54] <soren> I hope "important" is an appropriate severity. I wasn't sure.
[22:58] <xivulon> TheMuso, re accessibility wanted to show current wubi dialog
[22:58] <TheMuso> xivulon: right
[22:59] <xivulon> this is the current version
[22:59] <xivulon> http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/4568/screenshotwubisetupld0.png
[22:59] <xivulon> but I am not too pleased with it
[22:59] <xivulon> as mentioned in the email, wouldn't it be better if the accessibility and mobility options were not mutually exclusive?
[23:00] <TheMuso> xivulon: I was actually going to reply to your email. Braille at this point should not be a check box, because on the live CD boot menu, it can not be used as such. It shoudl be a radio button like the rest.
[23:00] <xivulon> that would translate to all checkbox in the dialog (without "None" option)
[23:01] <TheMuso> xivulon: At the moment this is not possible, due to the way the live CD boot menu works, and I don't think they can be turned on and off in that menu. cjwatson, do you have any idea whether having the accessibility menu act like check boxes, instead of single selectable options only is possible?
[23:01] <TheMuso> And, for many of them, it doesn't make sense. One would either want one, or the other.
[23:01] <soren> Er.... I'm not getting an ACCEPT mail..
[23:04] <seb128> soren: maybe elmo did something again
[23:04] <xivulon> TheMuso, I am no expert, but I would expect that someone might want both visibility and keyboard-modifiers
[23:04] <xivulon> or magnifier + screen reader
[23:04] <seb128> soren: I didn't get accepted mail either for my gnome-desktop upload
[23:05] <soren> seb128: What did you do? Reupload?
[23:05] <TheMuso> xivulon: Yes, however the underlying code on the Linux side doesn't really support this properly yet, and its probably a little too late to go changing it for hardy, as its working quite well at the moment. However, this is certainly something we can look at doing for hardy+1.
[23:06] <seb128> soren: no, the gnome-desktop upload was from 15 minutes ago or so
[23:06] <soren> seb128: Oh, ok.
[23:06] <seb128> soren: but the uploads were not processed this morning neither, some people asked on IRC and elmo fixed it
[23:06] <soren> Hrm..
[23:06] <evand> TheMuso: cjwatson recently added checkbox support to isolinux, so yes, it is possible.
[23:06] <xivulon> casper-bottom can probably take multiple arguments not sure about gfx interface
[23:07] <soren> elmo: Around? It seems that soyuz might be failing to pick up uploads.. Rumour has it that you're the man to fix it.
[23:07] <TheMuso> evand: Ooo ok, I wonder how much work it is to change the a11y menu. If its not too difficult, I could easily hack on the code for casper to get it support such a configuration by thursday.
[23:07] <TheMuso> xivulon: Yes it can take multiple arguments, but its the code that processes those arguments and takes the appropriate action that needs to be changed.
[23:07] <evand> TheMuso: the casper code works with multiple a11y arguments alreayd.
[23:07] <evand> already*
[23:07] <TheMuso> evand: Are you sure?
[23:08] <evand> TheMuso: yes, it processes every /proc/cmdline option.
[23:09] <xivulon> can we the have boot parameters such as accessibility_v1 accessibility_m2 accessibility_braille
[23:09] <TheMuso> evand: I know that, but I am referring to the code withint eh individual cases. We'd need to be sure that one profile doesn't overwrite another's settings./
[23:09] <evand> TheMuso: ah, indeed
[23:10] <evand> xivulon: what's wrong with the way they're currently implemented?
[23:10] <TheMuso> evand: Heh I was the original author of that file back in 2006.
[23:10] <TheMuso> It has since undergone way too many changes to keep track of. :p
[23:11] <evand> TheMuso: heh, indeed :)
[23:11] <geser> soren: luckily today is not friday, usually such things are reserved for fridays
[23:12] <xivulon> evand, IIRC now it sets a single variable
[23:13]  * xivulon looking at code
[23:13] <xivulon> no it does not
[23:14] <evand> indeed, it should work fine as is
[23:14] <xivulon> current implementation is fine, other than the caveat from TheMuso
[23:14]  * TheMuso looks at the code again.
[23:14] <evand> indeed, I was just going to say
[23:14] <evand> TheMuso: be sure to look at the copy from bzr
[23:14] <TheMuso> evand: Yeah I saw your upload.
[23:14] <evand> I have changes in there that haven't made it to the archive yet
[23:14] <evand> ok
[23:14] <TheMuso> I just pulled the latest changes.
[23:14] <evand> fantastic
[23:15]  * TheMuso goes to scour the code now.
[23:16] <soren> Aw, shame on me for not passing proper -vstuff to dpkg-genchanges when merging dpkg.
[23:18] <TheMuso> evand: Any reason why you used orca-customizations.py, and not the standard user-settings.py file?
[23:20] <evand> TheMuso:
[23:20] <evand> whoops
[23:21] <evand> TheMuso: "Generated by orca. DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE!!!"
[23:21] <TheMuso> Fair enough.
[23:21] <evand> orca-customizations.py seems to be the proper place for such things
[23:22] <TheMuso> evand: It also seems that for the magnifier and braille profiles, you've enabled speech when speech is not needed.
[23:22] <TheMuso> s/needed/wanted/
[23:24] <elmo> seb128/soren: I broke soyuz temporarily while doing emergency maintenance for the kernel root exploit - I'm definitely not the go to guy everytime soyuz stops working
[23:25] <evand> TheMuso: I think I just did a simple sed, let me check though.
[23:25] <seb128> elmo: ok, sorry, I though you might have been working on the same thing that this morning
[23:25] <xivulon> better http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotwubisetup1ka0.png
[23:25] <TheMuso> xivulon, evand. The only profile where things get overwritten/are shared between profiles but different settings, are the two motor disability profiles, i.e m1 and m2. I am also not sure as to whether the KDE/XFCE stuff overwrites itself for different profiles, but gconf wise, and orca wise, all other profiles do not break each other.
[23:26] <soren> elmo: Was that this morning or just now?
[23:26] <elmo> soren: this morning
[23:26] <xivulon> TheMuso in this case if both m1 and m2 are true we go with m2
[23:26] <xivulon> I guess
[23:27] <TheMuso> xivulon: Well its up to the code to work that out, but I wouldn't make those two check boxes, however it also depends on the gfxboot possibilities.
[23:27] <soren> elmo: Ok. So cprov/bigjools?
[23:27] <evand> TheMuso: so I did, thanks for catching that.
[23:27] <cjwatson> TheMuso: should be possible to make the access stuff checkbox, though it would change the keyboard navigation a bit (at the moment you'd have to press a number then escape)
[23:27] <cjwatson> TheMuso: but at the moment a menu can only be all-checkbox or all-radio, not a mix
[23:27] <TheMuso> evand: While you're at it, I'll get you to uncomment the enable_esd line in the blindness profile. We can finally have sound using pulse for speech.
[23:27] <TheMuso> cjwatson: Right I thought as much.
[23:28] <evand> TheMuso: will do
[23:28] <cjwatson> so from what you were saying from the time being we might be better off staying with what we have
[23:28] <TheMuso> cjwatson: I totally agree. It also makes things harder for those who can't see what they are doing.
[23:28] <TheMuso> As there are more keys to press, with little to no feedback.
[23:29] <xivulon> TheMuso on my side I am ok http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotwubisetup2mn9.png
[23:29] <xivulon> cjwatson have a look at the image above would like to stay close to cd interface
[23:31] <xivulon> so do we go back to all radio buttons?
[23:31] <elmo> soren: normally yes
[23:31] <elmo> soren: mthaddon's fixed it
[23:32] <TheMuso> xivulon: I'd say so, simply because we can't have a mix on the gfxboot menu. However its nice to know that the code is pretty much fine if in the future we wish to change things.
[23:32] <TheMuso> And, that is actually something worth considering for the future.
[23:33] <TheMuso> At the start of the next cycle, I'll see what the community has to say about that idea.
[23:33] <soren> elmo: Excellent. Thanks very much.
[23:34] <evand> TheMuso: enable_esd is on by default.  In fact, the commentted out line actually disables esd.  Any objection to me just removing the comment entirely?
[23:34] <xivulon> last http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotwubisetup3kd3.png
[23:35] <TheMuso> evand: Sorry, I got confused, yes remove that, and the comment above it, thanks.
[23:36] <evand> will do
[23:36] <TheMuso> xivulon: I don't personally care how it looks, as long as it works, and windows screen readers can work with it. Let me know when this is available for testing, and I will test it.
[23:36] <TheMuso> And get others with other screen readers to test it also.
[23:37] <xivulon> TheMuso, tonight wubi build will include that, but it won't work until the new ISO is up with grub-installer/lupin patches
[23:38] <TheMuso> xivulon: Right. Is all of that likely to land for hardy?
[23:38] <xivulon> Should be it'has been released already mostly
[23:38] <TheMuso> xivulon: Ok.
[23:38] <xivulon> But I am not the one in charge...
[23:39] <TheMuso> xivulon: Ok I understand.
[23:41] <TheMuso> cjwatson: I was looking over my logs from the weekend, and noticed talk about dmraid, and its possible inclusion into main, once partman-dmraid or whatever it was gets testing. Woudl you, 1) like me to test it, as I have a PCI card that uses such metadata that dmraid reads, and 2), integrate it into the initramfs error handling spec?
[23:52] <xivulon> TheMuso, last build with accessibility page: http://wubi-installer.org/devel/minefield/Wubi-8.04-alpha-rev411.exe
[23:53] <TheMuso> xivulon: Ok thanks. I'll have a look when I get a chance.
[23:53] <cjwatson> TheMuso: 1) sounds good, coordinate with evand 2) if you have time, absolutely
[23:53] <cjwatson> although I'm not sure how dmraid works with regard to the initramfs
[23:53] <TheMuso> cjwatson: Well I'll have a look at the code at least.


[00:17] <mycosys> anybody here have experience with pre-0.24 OSD theming
[00:18] <mycosys> iamlindoro is having delusions
[06:18] <mycoDA> 10.04lts time
[06:18]  * mycoDA forsees great pain
[07:25] <mycosys> you guys know what do-release-upgrade does that synaptic wont?
[07:25] <mycosys> pretty sure do-release-upgrade will break my install in a nasty way
[07:26] <mycosys> have a number of repos enabled on jaunty that are a fair way ahead of what is standard on karmic
[07:26] <mycosys> ie weekly builds lol, and winswitch, and deluge, and medibuntu
[07:27] <mycosys> have synaptic doing download only atm - so that when it finishes i can chose one or the other
[07:46] <mycosys> aaaaaaaarghhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[07:47] <mycosys> need a way to upgrade without killing the mythbuntu repos
[07:47] <mycosys> you around superm1?
[07:48] <mycosys> tgm4883
[07:48] <mycosys> any of the other super amazing actually helpful people
[13:05] <superm1> mycosys, i'm here now for a little bit
[13:05] <superm1> do-release-upgrade does thing sthat can't be represented in apt
[13:05] <superm1> so conf file migrations, forced package removals
[13:06] <superm1> particularly ordered installs
[13:06] <superm1> it disables 3rd party sources before hand
[13:07] <superm1> it's less likely to break your box than s/jaunty/karmic/, but if it does for some reason, it's better to revert to to that after trying do-release-upgrade (or update-manager -d)
[13:07] <superm1> in any case, if mythbuntu repos are disabled, it's fairly easy to re-enable them
[13:07] <superm1> it's just a conffile change or dpkg-reconfigure mythbuntu-repos
[13:11] <mrand> mycosys, superm1: Note that do-release-upgrade has a little known, but important option that was not the default last time I checked (which has admittedly been a while): "-m desktop"  You'll find it randomly mentioned, or not, in the wiki's and online documentation, and so therefore I can't tell you what it does, but it is typically recommended for systems that are not servers.
[13:12] <superm1> my best guess would be  it probably sets it to -desktop mode, looking for a -desktop meta package
[13:12] <superm1> or installing one if it's not there
[13:12] <superm1> Daviey, ^
[13:14] <superm1> mrand, looking at the source it looks like that's actually now "-m MODE"
[13:15] <superm1> where modes are 'desktop' or 'server'
[13:18] <mrand> superm1: the desktop meta package rings a bell when I asked before.
[13:19] <mrand> superm1: I think the problem that many run into is that it defaults to server (or at least, used to)
[13:21] <mrand> yet the documentation says no such thing
[13:22] <superm1> we didn't start having a metapackage it recognized for a few releases
[13:23] <superm1> probably 8.10 i think
[13:24] <superm1> /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/DistUpgrade/DistUpgradeCache makes references of running in 'desktop' mode because of particular package keys installed
[13:27] <superm1> we have a special key in that config now for mythbuntu-desktop
[13:28] <superm1> it actually might need some work because it calls out mythbuntu-artwork which we dont use any more
[13:31] <mycosys> thx superm1 & mrand
[13:32] <mycosys> saw that mode thing when i did do-release-upgrade --help
[13:34] <mycosys> appreciate the re-assurance
[13:45] <judget> does anyone know what is up with the ppa repos--
[13:46] <mycosys> ?
[13:48] <mycosys> just saw how rude you were on -users - ur not a nice person are you? did you pay your support subscription?
[13:50] <judget> ??
[13:50] <judget> Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/0.24/ubuntu/pool/main/m/mythtv/libmyth-0.24-0_0.24.0+fixes.20110322.c2baf1b-0ubuntu0mythbuntu2_i386.deb 404  Not Found
[13:52] <judget> did not mean to appear rude I was just agreeing with the advice to post the issue here
[13:52] <mycosys> kk
[13:52] <mycosys> not using .24 myself, and not a package maintainer, so dont know
[13:53] <judget> just wanted to let someone know that there may be an issue with the ppa repos
[13:53] <judget> that is one of a series of messages. appears an issue with the ppa site. who should i let know?
[13:53] <mycosys> need to do an update
[13:54] <mycosys> is 20110325
[13:54] <mycosys> sudo apt-get update
[13:55] <judget> ok tx ill try
[14:31] <mycosys> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh is blocking at stopping bluetooth
[14:31] <mycosys> is hanging if i run /etc/init.d/bluetooth stop too
[14:31] <mycosys> any ideas superm1 or mrand?
[14:41] <Daviey> superm1, o/
[14:41] <Daviey> superm1, In regards to looking for a -desktop meta package, that is unreliable.... The current favoured way of seeing if it is a desktop is pidof /usr/bin/X
[14:47] <mycosys> ogod
[14:48] <mycosys> having finished the upgrade, apt-get upgrade -f wants to remove startup-tasks system-services ubuntu-minimal upstart-compat-sysv upstart-logd
[14:48] <mycosys> PLEASE tell me they are depicated in karmic :(
[14:48] <mycosys> daviey? superm1? mrand?
[14:50] <mycosys> they conflict upstart?
[14:52] <Daviey> mycosys, honestly, i have no idea.. you are upgrading TO karmic?
[14:52] <mycosys> uhuh
[14:52] <mycosys> so i can get to lucid
[14:52] <mycosys> still on jaunty
[14:53] <mycosys> looks like they conflict with upstart
[15:27] <mycosys> gotta say you guys are one heck of a lot more helpful than the dudes on #ubuntu
[15:29] <dewman> howdy
[15:30] <dewman> quick question....I just did a o/s reload and due to some wierd items going on, I got the db restored with no issues, but one thing i noticed is that my recording directory and a few other dirs underneath it are owned by messagebus and root
[15:31] <dewman> which is really odd.
[15:31] <dewman> i was originally on 10.04 and went to 10.10
[15:36] <mycosys> not very helpful, but why?
[15:36] <mycosys> 10.04 is lts
[15:38] <mycosys> could try doin what i am doing atm after goin 9.04 to 9.10 - apt get upgrade -f
[15:40] <dewman> o/s reload is already done. =)
[15:41] <mycosys> i am having to do it several times to get it all done
[15:41] <mycosys> plenty of stuff blocking
[15:42] <dewman> its just weird that some of the dir's ownership got changed
[16:56] <mycosys>  is there some way to make karmic wait for fsck to complete on startup BEFORE deciding not to mount a drive and continue on?
[16:56] <mycosys> completed upgrade to karmic, got the shock of my life when i found one of my drives unmounted, eventually figured out fsck was running in the background and it had continued on
[16:57] <mycosys> even seeing its progress would be handy
[18:55] <tgm4883> dewman, it is a little weird that they are now owned by messagebus and root, but I could guess why
[18:56] <tgm4883> it's not odd that they changed ownership after a reinstall
[18:56] <tgm4883> at least not that odd for home users
[19:16] <dewman> tgm4883, yeah odd...Owell, I 775'd and mythtv:mythtv to everything...so it should be all set.
[19:16] <dewman> err, at least to the recording drive
[19:18] <tgm4883> ok
[19:19] <tgm4883> should be working again
[19:29] <qwebirc268> hi all
[19:29] <qwebirc268> i have a microsoft remote
[19:29] <qwebirc268> runring mythbuntu 10.10
[19:29] <qwebirc268> on freshh install remote works but for a few buttons
[19:30] <qwebirc268> used mythcontrol centre to try a new remote
[19:30] <qwebirc268> now the remote doesnt work with mythbuntu
[19:30] <qwebirc268> is this a bug in mythbuntu 10.10?
[19:31] <qwebirc268> remote used to work fine in previous versions
 used mythcontrol centre to try a new remote
[19:39] <tgm4883> What does that mean?
[19:39] <tgm4883> You can't just pick random remotes and expect things to work
[19:40] <qwebirc268> i am using mce remote
[19:40] <qwebirc268> was working
[19:40] <qwebirc268> but some buttons wasnt
[19:40] <tgm4883> ok
[19:40] <qwebirc268> i just went into mythcontrol center to change
[19:41] <tgm4883> brb
[19:58] <qwebirc268> is anyone using devinput for their remote
[20:00] <galorin> Got a nova-t not showing up after a reinstall, I know there is a fix, but can't remember what it is.
[20:02] <qwebirc268> lol great
[20:03] <qwebirc268> whats the use of mythcontrol center if its just going to break things]
[20:03] <galorin> It makes life fun for us.
[20:03] <qwebirc268> i can see in hardware.conf it generates remote = /de/lirc0
[20:04] <qwebirc268> */dev/lirc0
[20:04] <qwebirc268> that doesnt exist
[20:04] <qwebirc268>  ls -al /dev/input/by-path/
[20:04] <qwebirc268> 9 2011-03-26 19:19 pci-0000:00:09.2-event-ir -> ../event5
[20:04] <qwebirc268>  pci-0000:00:0a.2-event-ir -> ../event7
[20:05] <qwebirc268> i am guesing this is my reciever right?
[20:05] <qwebirc268> i have tried to configure the hardware.cong using devinput
[20:05] <qwebirc268> no joy
[20:09] <rhpot1991> qwebirc268: sounds like you have a generic mce device which run as input devices now
[20:09] <rhpot1991> unfortunately there isn't a real easy way to fix missing or incorrect buttons on these
[20:10] <rhpot1991> you could setup lirc to use devinput and then map things in there
[20:16] <qwebirc268> hmm
[20:18] <qwebirc268> so the deafault mappings
[20:18] <qwebirc268>  /usr/share/lirc/remotes/devinput/lircd.conf.devinput
[20:18] <qwebirc268> wont work with mce?
[22:32] <Seeker`> I've got a nova-t 500 remote tha tisn't working after doing an update
[23:47] <Teligard> Hello
[23:47] <Teligard> I'm trying to understand where I'm going wrong in the configuratio of my Ubuntu/Mythbuntu install
[23:48] <Teligard> I get asked 5+ times to enter a new password into mysql
[23:48] <Teligard> I'm wondering if this is normal, or if I need to do something different
[23:52] <Teligard> I'm wondering if 1. this is normal, 2. if this could be part of my issue with getting the backend server properly configured, and 3. if this is what is causing the need for me to do a manual setup of the mythconverg database and addition of the mythtv user
[23:52] <Teligard> I've been dealing with it for the past two days (and countless reinstalls of mythbuntu), and it's driving me batty.