[00:13] <mornfall> Riddell: Hi.
[00:18] <seele> whoa, Riddell on a weekend?
[00:35] <mornfall> And goodnight.
[00:35]  * mornfall passes out...
[02:30] <yuriy> wiki.kubuntu.org broken? I get cyclic link errors
[02:30] <yuriy> wiki.ubuntu.com works fine
[02:31] <vorian> kubuntu.org works for me
[02:31] <vorian> woah
[02:31] <Jucato> vorian: add the wiki. part
[02:31] <Jucato> :)O
[02:31]  * vorian needs reading lessons
[02:32] <vorian> "KDE detected a link or series of links that results in an infinite loop"
[03:48] <vorian> latest kde updates did not agree very well with my system
[04:03] <nixternal> hola
[04:03] <vorian> heya nixternal
[04:03] <Jucato> olah
[04:03] <Jucato> er.. aloh
[04:04] <nixternal> stupd ad password at work expired and I need to log into vpn to build a beta3 for testing tonight
[04:04] <nixternal> oh well, they will have to wait untill tomorrow
[04:04] <vorian> maybe you can fix kde tonight?
[04:05] <nixternal> what's wrong with it?
[04:05] <Jucato> it's fundamentally broken
[04:05] <vorian> the last update, well, bricked
[04:05] <Jucato> :)
[04:05] <nixternal> on intrepid?
[04:05] <vorian> kdm did not work
[04:05] <vorian> yes,
[04:06] <vorian> kde will not start
[04:06] <nixternal> hrmm, still don't have an intrepid install around here
[04:06] <vorian> that's about as far as I got
[04:06] <nixternal> my dev desktop is broke and I need to get yet another mobo, cpu, and ram
[04:07] <vorian> i know that with the latest builds, something changed with kde.mk/cdbs
[05:30] <skreechmiester> vorian: KDM as well as KDE will not start?
[07:54] <santhosh> Hi all
[07:54] <santhosh> kde-l10n-ml missing in kde4 of kubuntu ...
[07:54] <santhosh> http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu/pool/main/k/
[07:55] <santhosh> it is there in debian experimental http://packages.debian.org/experimental/kde/kde-l10n-ml
[07:55] <santhosh> can somebody tell me how we missed it...?
[08:46] <Tonio_> hi there
[08:46] <Tonio_> kde4 broken here, is that known problem ?
[08:46] <Tonio_> all I can see in packages changelogs is a switch to cdbs kde4..... that shouldn't brek anything
[08:47] <Tonio_> strace konqueror shows like an  infinite loop....
[08:49] <Tonio_> s/brek/break
[09:07] <gnomefreak> its possible that cdbs broke something but i would think it would have caused a FTBFS not break anything after builds
[09:27] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: true that
[09:27] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: btw, I can confirm the current behavior on several machines
[09:27] <Tonio_> and only todays update causes that
[09:27] <gnomefreak> i just did alot of them this maybe an hour ago
[09:29] <Tonio_> and no issue on your side ?
[09:29] <Tonio_> I had to reboot to see that everything was just broken
[09:29] <gnomefreak> Tonio_: havent booted to kde4 yet and since you say its broke i will trust you
[09:30] <Tonio_> :)
[09:30] <gnomefreak> :) i will most likely test it today
[09:30] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: well even kdm is broken here, so if it worked for you..... means that kde4 certainly works
[09:30] <gnomefreak> Tonio_: you mean on hardy or intrepid its broke?
[09:31] <gnomefreak> i saw updates on intrepid
[10:22] <Riddell> humph
[10:22] <Jucato> uh oh. that doesn't sound good :/
[10:24] <gnomefreak> its too early to think
[10:25] <Jucato> tell that to my Discrete Math homework :(
[10:25] <gnomefreak> im sure your in a later time zone if you are up and doing homework
[10:26] <gnomefreak> it ~0500
[10:26] <Jucato> any time is too early to think about sets and relations :(
[10:26] <gnomefreak> well 5:26
[10:26] <Jucato> but yes. 12 hours ahead of you
[10:26] <gnomefreak> Jucato: true
[10:26] <gnomefreak> dinner time sounds good right after breakfast than bed right after dinner
[10:27] <Jucato> er.. right :)
[10:27] <gnomefreak> my trash wont empty
[10:28] <_StefanS_> hello
[10:28] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: wooah, long time no see :)
[10:28] <Jucato> _StefanS_!!!! omg!
[10:28] <_StefanS_> Jucato: !
[10:28] <Jucato> tell that to yourself! :)
[10:28] <_StefanS_> so how's things ?!
[10:28] <_StefanS_> yes, I know i'm the one who's been off :)
[10:28] <Jucato> doing great. I haven't been "present" lately either :)
[10:29] <Jucato> I'm here digitally only but not mentally or spiritually
[10:29] <_StefanS_> oh, like always :)
[10:29] <_StefanS_> so hows the kde4 shaping for intrepid ?
[10:29] <_StefanS_> wondering if there was something I could help out with
[10:30] <Jucato> hm.. that I wouldn't know. I'm kinda clueless on what needs to be done still. though docs are definitely a huge todo, and I'm waiting for nixternal or jjesse for their plans ;)
[10:32] <Riddell> and now I can't even make a working chroot
[10:32] <Jucato> _StefanS_: the Todo list is above, though I'm not sure if the wiki.kubuntu.org cyclic problems have been resolved (you can use wiki.ubuntu.com)
[10:32] <Riddell> humph
[10:33] <_StefanS_> Riddell: hey :)
[10:33] <Jucato> ouch :(
[10:33] <_StefanS_> Jucato: oka, I will look at it, maybe there's something I can do
[10:33] <Jucato> wiki.kubuntu.org is still "down"
[10:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: kde4 completly broken for me atm.... even kdm doesn't start since the rebuild for cdbs kde4.mk....
[10:34] <Ash-Fox> I am so fedup of stuff being down all the time :/
[10:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: aware of the issue ?
[10:34] <Riddell> Tonio_: seem to be
[10:35] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: also broken here, all I get is a busy hour-glass and no kdm
[10:35]  * Jucato is just upgrading now after 2-3 days.. will probably be joining the chorus soon
[10:36] <Riddell> Jucato: I suggest not to
[10:37] <Jucato> hm. ok.. it's on my test laptop anyway.. but ok :)
[10:37]  * Jucato cancels :)
[10:38] <_StefanS_> uhm, KubuntuIntrepidDefaults, things like the changes for kickoff and such, are they being worked on ?
[10:39] <Riddell> _StefanS_: not currently (except the favourites should be done), patches very welcome
[10:39] <gnomefreak> is amarok 1.86-0ubuntu2 pre release of 2.0?
[10:39] <Jucato> regardig favorites, Kontact is still not there (2-3 days old)
[10:39] <Jucato> gnomefreak: should be
[10:39] <gnomefreak> Jucato: thanks for some reason i thought they released it
[10:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: I tried to strace konqueror, but all I get is a kind of infinite loop...
[10:40] <Jucato> gnomefreak: alpha 2 to be exact
[10:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: no way to get a usable trace to debug
[10:40] <gnomefreak> ah ok ande someone is using 3 already? that sound wrong
[10:41] <Riddell> Jucato: wiki.k.o fixed
[10:41] <Jucato> Riddell: koolio. thanks :)
[10:42]  * Jucato points vorian and yuriy ^^^ :)
[10:44] <gnomefreak> why does it look like amarok2 doesnt have engines packages all engine packages xine ect..
[10:44] <gnomefreak> sorry amarok-kde4
[10:44]  * Jucato got lost in the sentence
[10:45] <gnomefreak> Jucato: ther eis np engine packages for amarok-kde4
[10:45] <gnomefreak> damn
[10:45] <Jucato> :D
[10:45] <gnomefreak> there is no ...
[10:45] <Jucato> too early to type
[10:46] <Jucato> gnomefreak: probably because amarok-kde4 needs only to depend on phonon?
[10:46] <Jucato> then phonon takes care of the backend
[10:46] <gnomefreak> libloudmouth1-0 libqt0-ruby1.8
[10:47] <gnomefreak> no phonon package being installed so maybe the -desktop package installed it
[10:47] <Jucato> yeah. kde4 depends on phonon. so it's probably already there
[10:48] <gnomefreak> yep thats how i got it :)
[11:08] <Riddell> well, it doesn't seems to be to do with the cdbs change
[11:14] <davmor2> Riddell: That's really bad, what happened?
[11:15] <Riddell> davmor2: no idea
[11:15] <davmor2> so no smoke testing today's iso then :)
[11:19] <Riddell> davmor2: best not I guess :(
[11:19] <Riddell> however I've just got it to work, so maybe I will be able to track down what caused the problem
[11:19] <davmor2> Riddell: I'll have a look at live and see if it works
[11:32] <Riddell> hmm, I think I found the problem in my desktop translations patch
[12:01] <davmor2> Riddell: on a plus side it seems to work from this mornings daily live iso :)
[12:01] <Riddell> gosh, really?
[12:02] <davmor2> Riddell: No I said it for effect ;) :P
[12:02] <Riddell> davmor2: does folderview work?
[12:02] <davmor2> no there is no desktop on the desktop :)
[12:05] <Riddell> this is clearly some definition of "work" which is different to that from which I have been used
[12:13] <davmor2> Riddell: as in there is no folder view Desktop on the actual desktop :P
[12:23] <davmor2> Riddell: You can't add it either which you could before :(
[12:24] <thefish_> hello
[12:26] <thefish_> I updated 8.10 this morning and kde broke, apparently being worked on now - if anyone wants a guinea pig, i can test etc :)
[12:29] <Riddell> thefish_: you need to wait for kde4libs_4.1.0-0ubuntu7 to hit the archives
[12:30] <davmor2> Riddell: if you push out a new cd let me know :)
[12:31] <thefish_> Riddell: thanks :)
[12:32] <thefish_> it is up on some now, or still being made?
[12:33] <Riddell> thefish_: still compiling
[12:33] <thefish_> k, thanks :)
[13:21] <Riddell> hmm, kubuntu-default-settings is a mess
[14:09] <apachelogger> Riddell: very true
[14:09] <txwikinger> what is wrong with kde4 when the mouse pointer does not show?
[14:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: still working on making it simpler
[14:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: the problem is that I have to check setting by setting f it is still available and required for kde4
[14:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: that'll take me a few days to complete the task...
[14:22] <Riddell> Tonio_: well I just uploaded a version so make sure you bzr merge (or update)
[14:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: sure
[14:56] <yuriy> still not OK to upgrade?
[14:57] <yuriy> Tonio_: isn't jontheechidna working on k-d-s?
[15:00] <Tonio_> yuriy: no idea
[15:00] <yuriy> you were talking about that right ^^?
[15:03] <Riddell> he was yes
[15:04] <nixternal> mornin'
[15:04] <yuriy> Tonio_: http://jtechinda.blogspot.com/2008/08/more-on-kubuntu-intrepid-plasma.html
[15:05] <Nightrose> *nod*
[15:06] <Nightrose> sorry wrong channel
[15:08] <yuriy> hmm I think I'll take not wanting to shutting down for fear of having a broken KDE as an opporunity to test hibernate
[15:24] <Riddell> 4.1.0-0ubuntu7 is now on the main archive site
[15:29] <thefish> Riddell: thanks, that update fixed it all
[15:31] <Riddell> yay
[15:32] <thefish> although now the system tray is gone :(
[15:32] <thefish> hehe
[15:41] <apachelogger> hm, I think I like the new adept updater
[15:41] <jjesse> thats in a ppa isn't it?
[15:41] <Riddell> yes ~mornfall
[15:42] <jjesse> coolthanks
[15:54] <Riddell> thefish: that system tray issue is a bit of a mystery
[15:55] <thefish> Riddell: wierd one, i have been moving it around, deleting, re-adding etc, and it re-appeared
[15:55] <thefish> still has the issues with icons half-coloured though
[15:55] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/debdiffs/kdeaccessibility_4.1.0-0ubuntu2_to_ubuntu3.diff
[16:00] <Riddell> apachelogger: uploading
[16:00] <apachelogger> thank you
[16:01] <Riddell> yay, compositing works again with new X
[16:01] <Riddell> so, I think I'll turn it on by default
[16:01] <Riddell> and see who complains
[16:01] <yuriy> Riddell: no blacklist/whitelist?
[16:02] <apachelogger> uhh, that is gonna be funny :D
[16:02] <yuriy> or is that already built-in?
[16:02] <apachelogger> yuriy: I think kwin has a builtin one
[16:02] <apachelogger> at least it had at some point
[16:03] <apachelogger> thinking abou tit
[16:03] <Riddell> it does but I'll replace it with the one from Ubuntu's compiz
[16:03] <apachelogger> Riddell: I don't think turning it on by default is a good idea
[16:04] <Riddell> so it should break only as much as Ubuntu
[16:04] <apachelogger> the nvidia driver is still leaking memory big time
[16:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, compiz doesn't expose this memleak issue :|
[16:05] <yuriy> apachelogger: it is? :O
[16:05] <yuriy> that would explain things... would that show up as memory used by Xorg?
[16:05] <Riddell> we should be able to blacklist nvidia easily enough
[16:05] <apachelogger> yuriy: I thik so
[16:06] <yuriy> apachelogger: but only with composite on?
[16:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: then I am all for turning it on :)
[16:06] <apachelogger> yuriy: yes
[16:06] <yuriy> because I have Xorg leaking memory with composit off
[16:06] <yuriy> and no (additional) problems with desktop effects on
[16:07] <apachelogger> aaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh gzip: stdout: No space left on device
[16:07]  * apachelogger invokes pbuilder clean
[16:07] <apachelogger> mornfall: btw, new upgrade doesn't handle 'no space left on device' issues very graceful
[16:07]  * apachelogger had to kill it
[16:08] <mornfall> apachelogger: Should be somewhat better in alpha6.
[16:08] <Riddell> does any upgrade handle that well?
[16:08] <apachelogger> mornfall: ok, cool
[16:08] <mornfall> Riddell: Well, in the first place, it shouldn't try to upgrade. ;)
[16:09] <mornfall> Without enough space that is.
[16:09] <apachelogger> Riddell: hehe, at least more reasonable ;-)
[16:09] <mornfall> But that's TBD on this side of the fence.
[16:10]  * Riddell gets volume key shortcut working in KDE 4 and rejoices
[16:10] <apachelogger> uhm
[16:10] <apachelogger> my /boot is full
[16:10] <apachelogger> -.-
[16:11] <apachelogger> so much for auto-kernel-removal-glory
[16:17] <jpds> apachelogger: You can't "apt-get autoremove" kernels.
[16:17] <jpds> It's blocked by: /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01autoremove
[16:17] <apachelogger> jpds: didn't they include some feature that only 3 kernels or something are installed?
[16:18] <apachelogger> maybe I was having visions
[16:45] <thefish> where shoudl i report bugs with kubuntu 8.10?
[16:48] <jjesse> thefish: on launchpad
[16:48] <jjesse> include intrepid in the subject line
[16:48] <jjesse> at least thats what i would do
[16:49] <thefish> jjesse: ok, launchpad for kubuntu?
[16:49] <thefish> sorry, clueless, it seemed like there were separate bits
[16:49] <jjesse> thefish: yes kubuntu uses launchpad just like ubuntu does
[16:50] <thefish> cool, so lauchpad is launchpad, no differentiation between each *buntu?
[16:50] <jjesse> thefish: correct
[16:51] <jjesse> launchpad is used for lots of things in *buntu
[16:51] <thefish> cool, thanks
[16:52] <jjesse> np
[16:54] <yuriy> thefish: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Bugs/Reporting <- see that, and let me know if it's not helpful/could be improved
[17:00] <thefish> yuriy: thank you, thats helpful and i cant suggest any improvements on the info there
[17:45] <mornfall> http://web.mornfall.net/stuff/adept-tag-search-3.png (a semi-mockup, and I'm going home... leave comments if you so desire...)
[17:45] <mornfall> The expand query checkbox is a temporary hack.
[17:45] <mornfall> See you around.
[17:48] <yuriy> mornfall: what is [not] supposed to mean?
[18:14] <mornfall> yuriy: It'll make it possible to exclude packages with a given tag from the search.
[18:33] <Riddell> humph, can't get KShortcut to work with Qt.Key_LaunchE
[19:02] <yuriy> mornfall: oh. fairly unintuitive IMO.
[19:02] <yuriy> daskreech and I had a little brainstorming session about this a few months ago, I'll try to find the log
[19:03] <mornfall> Try... Although I'd be surprised if it gets any better than this. Don't forget that we have tooltips.
[19:04] <mornfall> (And mouse-over highlighting...)
[19:04] <mornfall> (But yeah, it seems that it's the same story as ever... people will complain it's not intuitive enough, but noone will suggest an actual better solution...)
[19:05] <mornfall> At least that's what I anticipate.
[19:06] <yuriy> mornfall: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/01/02/%23kubuntu-devel.html
[19:08] <yuriy> a couple hour long discussion, interesting stuff about 01:40 to 02:45
[19:13] <dhuv> hello all
[19:15] <dhuv> I am wondering if this would be the appropriate place to ask a kopete question regarding creating a skin for the chat window
[19:15] <Nightrose> #kopete
[19:15] <mornfall> yuriy: Well, basically it says you want "don't care, want, don't want' -- so that's exactly that we have. The presentation suggestions are, radios and checkboxes, mostly. Checkboxes have only 2 states, so you need to drop one (don't want has to go).
[19:15] <dhuv> Nightrose: thanks
[19:15] <mornfall> yuriy: Radios are even less intuitive.
[19:15] <Nightrose> you're welcome
[19:15] <mornfall> yuriy: What options are left?
[19:16] <mornfall> yuriy: Since "don't want" is not as common as "want", I have clicking the tag mark it as "want" (and render it in boldface), clicking it's "[not]" to boldface the not, leaving it alone -> don't care.
[19:17] <mornfall> "[not]" shows "Exclude packages tagged [whatever tag] from the search" or so.
[19:17] <mornfall> As a tooltip, that is.
[19:26] <mornfall> And I also happen to think it's a definite improvement over 2.1.
[19:30] <yuriy> that it is
[19:35] <Riddell> "XF86XK_LaunchD,             Qt::Key_LaunchF"  why?  just why?
[19:42] <SolarWar> heyo,  can someone advocate/comment on my superawesome package of Qlix- a program that allows one to easily transfer music to MTP devices (like the zune)
[19:42] <SolarWar> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=qlix
[19:43] <SolarWar> i figure people here are more interested in QT apps than ubuntu-motu :)
[19:45]  * Riddell takes a keek
[19:47] <jjesse_> whats a keek :)
[19:47] <Riddell> SolarWar: build failure :(
[19:48] <SolarWar> oh noo!
[19:49] <SolarWar> Riddell, pastebin ?
[19:50] <Riddell> SolarWar: added as comment on revu
[19:51] <Riddell> there's a new libmtp
[19:51] <SolarWar> oh
[19:51] <SolarWar> damn it :)
[19:53] <SolarWar> is there a place i can find the current versions of packages in intrepid?
[19:54] <Riddell> launchpad.net/ubuntu
[19:55] <SolarWar> oh thats cool, i can now merge the new upstream of qlix and revu
[19:57] <Riddell> sorted
[20:08] <yuriy> !info kompare-kde4 intrepid
[20:09] <yuriy> hmm, I wonder why that shows up on my system
[21:03] <mornfall> yuriy: http://web.mornfall.net/stuff/adept-tag-search-4.png
[21:05] <Riddell> yuriy: adding http://paste.ubuntu.com/34170/
[21:07] <mornfall> Oh, I should release alpha6 tomorrow to expose this all-new all-shiny tag "cloud" thingy.
[21:07] <Riddell> sounds very web 2.0
[21:09] <mornfall> Yeah, buzzword-compliant.
[21:10] <Riddell> mornfall: when do you think would be a good time to upload adept 3?  (given then adept 2 is currently broken)
[21:10] <mornfall> Riddell: Well, beta 1 comes to mind... (that comes after alpha 6).
[21:10] <Riddell> sounds like a plan
[21:11] <mornfall> I expect some bugs in alpha 6, I give it a 5-day or so window to flesh those out and then make a beta.
[21:11] <mornfall> And from beta on, it's just bugfixes.
[21:11] <yuriy> mornfall: what's the difference?
[21:12] <mornfall> yuriy: That's "in-action" shot -- some tags are selected (the boldface ones).
[21:12] <mornfall> You can see how the selection corresponds to the packages shown.
[21:13] <yuriy> mornfall: it's still not in anyway clear that you're supposed to click "not".. can it be a button or something?
[21:13] <mornfall> yuriy: No.
[21:13] <mornfall> yuriy: It has a mouseover highlight. That's gotta be enough.
[21:13] <mornfall> Button will be *very* ugly there.
[21:14] <yuriy> true
[21:14] <mornfall> If people are curious, they'll at least point at it. I'd hope.
[21:29] <nixternal> let me try this again....howdy!
[21:38] <Riddell> morning nixternal
[21:38] <nixternal> morning? it is 15:38 here :P
[21:39] <SolarWar> Riddell, thanks for pointing out the libmtp incompatibility. I have fixed it now- if you have time please take another look :)
[21:42] <Riddell> SolarWar: compiles!
[21:42] <SolarWar> yay!
[21:42] <SolarWar> i guess that means that my pbuilder enviroment works too :)
[21:42]  * SolarWar <3s pbuilder
[21:44]  * nixternal loves ant-rpm
[21:44]  * nixternal steps on the ant
[21:44] <nixternal> foo rpmbuilder
[21:45] <Riddell> SolarWar: advocated
[21:45] <SolarWar> :) thanks
[21:53] <txwikinger> nixternal: It is mornign somewhere
[22:43] <ScottK> nixternal: All I know about RPM is that I can use alien to turn it into a .tar.gz with all the patches on the outside for easy finding.
[22:43] <Riddell> there was a time when I knew some command line arguments to RPM that made it do stuff
[22:43] <Riddell> it didn't last long
[22:44] <desrt> Riddell; did you check out that kio-umountwrapper bug?
[22:44] <ScottK> I learned that learning I didn't want opensuse's klamav patches, but I did want Fedora's so I could get it working with clamav 0.93.
[22:45] <Riddell> desrt: kio-umountwrapper is pretty well fdoving's domain, but I havn't heard from him
[22:46] <desrt> who packages kubuntu, anyway?
[22:46] <Riddell> loads of people
[22:46] <desrt> community folk, i guess?
[22:47] <nixternal> desrt: if everything is running smooth, then I package Kubuntu...if it is broke, well then that is everyone else :P
[22:47]  * nixternal goes home
[22:47] <desrt> :)
[22:47] <Riddell> multiple communities
[22:49] <yuriy> hmm so in doing some of the upgrades (or possibly for some other reason) my KDE session has been gradually falling apart. does anybody know how to log out gracefully if the dialog won't launch anymore?
[22:50] <ScottK> yuriy: How about fire up Konsole and sudo shutdown-P now
[22:50] <ScottK> with a space between shutdown and -P
[22:51] <desrt> that's no more graceful than alt+ctrl+backspace
[22:52] <yuriy> oh well, I guess I'll shut down
[22:54] <apachelogger> smarter: available for an hardy backport?
[23:07] <vorian> yo yo yo
[23:08] <apachelogger> oh
[23:08] <apachelogger> hey vorian
[23:08]  * apachelogger thinks vorian is going to do the backport ;-)
[23:08] <vorian> of the fixed kde stuff?
[23:08]  * vorian is updating right now
[23:08] <vorian> i can work on that tonight
[23:09]  * apachelogger is debdiffing
[23:09] <vorian> i see
[23:10] <vorian> apachelogger: 22:09:08 < slangasek> vorian: ping
[23:10] <vorian> 22:09:23 < vorian> slangasek: yessir
[23:10] <vorian> [23:10] <vorian> 22:09:46 < slangasek> vorian: hi, looks like you sponsored the upload of monkeystudio to NEW?
[23:11] <vorian> 22:10:02 < vorian> yes
[23:11] <vorian> 22:10:18 < slangasek> vorian: and it looks like monkeystudio is embedding copies of Qt Designer and  qscintilla, which are already in the archive... is there a good reason for  them to be embedded?
[23:11] <vorian> hurry
[23:11] <vorian> !
[23:11] <apachelogger> qscintilla is removed in monkeystuido's SVN due to my request :P
[23:11] <vorian> crap
[23:12] <apachelogger> they include it because at that time the released qsc was not recent enough
[23:12] <apachelogger> dunno about the designer stuff though
[23:12] <vorian> crap
[23:12] <vorian> i hate this
[23:12]  * apachelogger actually thought drebellion made an svn snapshot featuring at least the removed qsc
[23:12] <vorian> care to chime in over in ubuntu-devel
[23:13] <apachelogger> vorian: you uploaded :P
[23:13] <vorian> thanks
[23:13]  * apachelogger gets popcorn and switches focus to u-d
[23:14] <apachelogger> vorian: well, from my point of view slangasek shoudl just reject it if he isn't happy
[23:14] <vorian> </3
[23:14] <apachelogger> this gives us the possiblity to but more pressure on upstream to remove that stuff ;-)
[23:14] <vorian> roger that
[23:14] <vorian> i'll suggest it then
[23:15]  * apachelogger sings the QA song
[23:15] <vorian> which is what?
[23:15] <vorian> i hate being such a n00b
[23:16] <apachelogger> I hate it, I hate it, I hate it a lot lalalalala - the QA is eating my CPU, the QA is eating my RAM, the QA is eating my time - I hate it, I hate it, I hate it a lot lallalalalala
[23:16] <vorian> haha
[23:16]  * apachelogger testbuilds kde4libs with uberimportant patch
[23:17] <yuriy> apachelogger: popping up fluffy bunnies on every application launch?
[23:18] <apachelogger> Oo
[23:18] <apachelogger> that feature is available since KDE 0.1
[23:18] <apachelogger> my patch is ensuring they get killed properly at quit :P
[23:18] <Nightrose> ohhhhhhhhhhh apachelogger
[23:18] <Nightrose> that will make some people very happy
[23:19] <Nightrose> (if it is what i think it is :P)
[23:19] <Nightrose> including me
[23:19] <apachelogger> well, otherwise I wouldn't do it ;-)
[23:19]  * apachelogger is karma addicted
[23:20] <Nightrose> ;-)


[12:51] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:02] <Oldport> hi
[13:02] <Oldport> whatsip
[13:06] <BluesKaj> relaxing morning coffee, Oldport , and you?
[13:07] <Oldport> pretty good
[13:07] <Oldport> i found a shiny 20$ coin
[13:07] <Oldport> i never seen anything like it
[13:07] <BluesKaj> really ? ...US or....?
[13:08] <Oldport> yeah
[13:08] <Oldport> its from 1911
[13:08] <Oldport> really crazy
[13:08] <Oldport> http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/6782/dp170361.jpg
[13:08] <Oldport> look at it
[13:09] <Oldport> you ever seen anythiig like that
[13:09] <BluesKaj> din't think Canada struck any 20 buck coins
[13:10] <BluesKaj> nope, never saw
[13:10] <Oldport> http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/8132/dp170360.jpg
[13:10] <Oldport> thats the other side
[13:10] <BluesKaj> comemerative  ?
[13:11] <Oldport> i havent a clue
[13:11] <BluesKaj> doesn't show any significant/special event
[13:12] <Oldport> i think its just straight money
[13:12] <Oldport> not some memorabilia
[13:12] <BluesKaj> yeah, seems so
[13:12] <Oldport> also
[13:12] <Oldport> i think it might be gold
[13:12] <Oldport> i dunno i should probably have someone look at it
[13:13] <BluesKaj> where did you find it?
[13:13] <Oldport> grandma's
[13:13] <Oldport> but this is even before her time
[13:14] <Oldport> thats like 100 years ago
[13:14] <BluesKaj> numismatic expert can evaluate it, but usually for a fee
[13:15] <BluesKaj> or research it on google
[13:17] <BluesKaj> http://www.nfasales.com/twentydollargold.htm , scroll down to 1911
[13:18] <Oldport> wow
[13:18] <Oldport> pricing are insane
[13:18] <Oldport> what is this MS64  PR67
[13:20] <BluesKaj> dunno , may the auction company's inventory number or something like that
[13:22] <Oldport> well i need to have someone look at it no question :)
[13:22] <Oldport> prices vary between 1000$ to 1,000,000
[13:22] <BluesKaj> oh absolutely
[13:23] <Oldport> oh thats the grade
[13:23] <Oldport> MS thing is grade for quality
[13:23] <Oldport> i guess condition
[13:24] <Oldport> PR = Poor, FR = Fair, AG = Almost Good, G = Good, VG = Very Good, F = Fine, VF = Very Fine, XF (EF) = Extra Fine, CH = Choice, AU = Almost Uncirculated, BU = Brilliant Uncirculated, MS = Mint State (Uncirculated or Unc.), PR = Proof
[13:28] <BluesKaj> from the picture your coin looks darn good to me


[16:14] <eeejay> howdy folks
[16:14] <eeejay> cr3, how is your new office?
[16:17] <eeejay> hey fader
[16:18] <fader_> eeejay: howdy
[16:18] <fader_> eeejay: So where in the world are you now? :)
[16:18] <eeejay> fader_, do you have preseed files for the synaptic autoinstall?
[16:18] <eeejay> fader_: and possibly, a dhcpd.conf?
[16:19] <fader_> eeejay: Ah, man I totally forgot to get those to you!  Sorry :(  What email address should I send them to?
[16:20] <eeejay> fader_: no probs
[16:20] <eeejay> fader_: eitani at gnome org
[16:22] <fader_> eeejay: On their way.
[16:23] <eeejay> fader_: thanks, sir!
[16:23] <fader_> eeejay: No problem, just several days late :P
[16:29] <ara> hey eeejay :)
[16:29] <ara> eeejay, nice trip back?
[16:29] <eeejay> hey ara. wasn't bad, slept a lot :)
[16:30] <ara> eeejay, nice :)
[16:53] <cr3> eeejay: hey dude, the office is pretty cool. still lots of problems to iron out, but nothing I can't handle
[16:58] <eeejay> cr3, i am sure you could!
[16:59]  * eeejay forgot his power cable at home. need to head back to get it soon. ugh
[16:59] <eeejay> until then, no virtualbox


[06:30] <CIA-34> ubiquity: superm1 * r4276 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/frontend/gtk_ui.py):
[06:30] <CIA-34> ubiquity: Restore functionality to set the GTK slideshow size based on a
[06:30] <CIA-34> ubiquity: configuration file that was lost in r4123.1.37.
[06:32] <superm1> ev, this will certainly cause the window size to bounce up when someone finishes all the pages - if that's troublesome, perhaps it's worthwhile to parse the slideshow.conf earlier on to set the initial window size
[07:34] <CIA-34> ubiquity: superm1 * r4277 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/frontend/gtk_ui.py):
[07:34] <CIA-34> ubiquity: Parse the slideshow size when the GTK frontend first starts to
[07:34] <CIA-34> ubiquity: prevent the window resizing later.
[07:34] <superm1> ^that actually gives a much better result
[07:36] <superm1> i'll do an upload with that so people can get around to figuring out their slideshows besides dylan
[07:39] <CIA-34> ubiquity: superm1 * r4278 ubiquity/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog):
[07:39] <CIA-34> ubiquity: Automatic update of included source packages: grub-installer
[07:39] <CIA-34> ubiquity: 1.55ubuntu1, partman-basicfilesystems 63ubuntu7, partman-efi
[07:39] <CIA-34> ubiquity: 21ubuntu1.
[07:40] <CIA-34> ubiquity: superm1 * r4279 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.3.16
[15:03] <rylord> morning
[15:21] <rylord> yawn
[21:36] <CIA-34> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1356 ubuntu/ (7 files in 2 dirs): Move to 2.6.35-20 kernels.
[21:37] <CIA-34> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1357 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20100211ubuntu24


 Redid the downloads page. I suck at UX, someone honestly tell me how bad it sucks at your convenience XD should take 5 mins/low pressure
 @nestormarius @Eickmeyer @kc2bez arraybolt3 ^^^^
 @tsimonq2 looks good, it gives me 90's vibe :D
 Not sure if that's a good thing 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
 @tsimonq2 you should add a line break after the Noble Numbat download button
 @tsimonq2 also, it needs some padding (left and right) - similar to the 22.04.3 and 23.10 download buttons (just copy the code from those buttons)
 @tsimonq2 those download buttons are very nice!
 @tsimonq2 I would have made rounded corners to those blueish boxes and give a bit more space to the text at the top. Other than that, it looks great!
 Thank you for the feedback :D I'll make adjustments within the next hour. If you or anyone else thinks of anything more, feel free to speak up!
 @tsimonq2 `<i class="fa fa-magnet""></i> should be <i class="fa fa-magnet"></i>`
 Notice the double ""
 It's on both download buttons for 22.04.3 and 23.10
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/0faddbda/file_10280.jpg
 You forgot to add the second div (<div class="xbutleft">). Don't forget to close it too ;)
 Easy fix :D
 And you should probably also add the magnet link because the style is broken right now with it... Like I said, just copy the code from the 22.04.3 or 23.10 download buttons to Noble.
 If you want rounder corners, you can add border-radius: 10px; to the xbox class.
 Like this : https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/75d47d62/file_10281.jpg
 A little padding should make the whole box more stylish ;) : https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/28a9f6b6/file_10282.jpg
 @tsimonq2 you actually inform users to download the ISO via the magnet link, so must add it :P
 Like this :P : https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/a516ac92/file_10283.jpg
 @tsimonq2 there, I fixed it for you 😆
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/cf8bcdab/file_10284.jpg
 Here's the current source for that page specifically : https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/1df255d3/downloads.html
 Will run through your suggestions, otherwise you're welcome to provide an updated copy :D
 New download page @tsimonq2 looks good!
 @tsimonq2 Agreeing with everything @nestormarius mentioned. Just needs padding. I was going to use photography/videography terms like headroom/footroom which might've been not not the right words, but I haven't had my coffee yet. 😁
[16:20]  * genii stashes his beans
[16:33]  * lubot [matrix] <arraybolt3> swaps out genii's coffee beans for pinto beans
[16:34] <tsimonq2> poor genii :O
[16:36] <genii> heh
 @tsimonq2 The downloads page is nice! I'll try not to ruin it :P


[10:55] <rbasak> OOPS-983305a608e84a8e8bfab8bb3737ec06 when trying to register upstream https://github.com/liske/needrestart against the Ubuntu needrestart package so that I can add an upstream bug task
[10:55] <rbasak> I'm puzzled as to how the registration form had auto-filled the upstream URL already
[11:40] <cjwatson> rbasak: could you file a bug, please?
[11:41] <cjwatson> "AttributeError: 'str' object has no attribute 'args'" so clearly something wrong
[11:54] <rbasak> cjwatson: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1941742 thanks
[12:28] <ricotz> hello :), while accessing the git repo at https://git.launchpad.net/~libreoffice/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice I am still getting the following warning
[12:28] <ricotz> remote: warning: garbage found: ./objects/pack/tmp_pack_LE9kWj
[12:28] <ricotz> seems the repack didn't help
[20:29] <evilyoda> Hi, I can't log in and the error message told me to come here
[20:29] <evilyoda> The Error ID: OOPS-700be423964567252d308b0e0ad1591b
[23:47] <evilyoda_> Is there anyone here who could help with my launchpad login issue?
[23:48] <sarnold> oh dang :(
[23:49] <sarnold> I'm not on the launchpad team, so all I've got is vague memories, but I've got a vague memory that oops messages like yours can come from problems with email addresses -- like the email address is used for two accounts, or something like that
[23:55] <evilyoda_> Hrm, alright, thanks for the info :-)


[01:40] <o0Chris0o> hey guys/gals anyone know where I can get the latest code/plugin for the supybot aka "ubottu"
[01:41] <stdin> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~tsimpson/ubuntu-bots/tweak
[01:41] <o0Chris0o> ty
[01:41] <o0Chris0o> again
[01:41] <o0Chris0o> lol
[01:42] <stdin> you can just do "bzr co http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~tsimpson/ubuntu-bots/tweak", but you'll want to setup  the bot first
[01:42] <o0Chris0o> alright, doing that now
[01:42] <stdin> which reminds me, I'm supposed to make a howto for it sometime
[01:42] <o0Chris0o> ahh I take it, its your bot?
[01:42] <o0Chris0o> your code
[01:43] <stdin> well, I help run the bot, and I've added/changed some of the code after ubotu went away
[01:43] <o0Chris0o> ahh I see what happen to him
[01:43] <stdin> it was originally made by seveas
[01:43] <o0Chris0o> "it"
[01:43] <Pici> Seveas wrote the initial plugins
[01:43] <o0Chris0o> ahh
[01:44] <stdin> so make a dir for the bot and run "supybot-wizard" in it
[01:44] <RoAkSoAx> Pici, how about the factoids database ? where can i find it?
[01:44] <stdin> that should guide you through most of it
[01:45] <o0Chris0o> alright I used the adept installer in kubuntu just have to find where it installed it too
[01:45] <stdin> RoAkSoAx: http://jussi01.com/web/ last link
[01:45] <Pici> RoAkSoAx: I'm actually not sure where the most recent one is
[01:45] <RoAkSoAx> i'm planning in translating it since botijo is not around...
[01:45] <Pici> nevermind
[01:45] <RoAkSoAx> thanks stdin Pici =)
[01:45] <Pici> RoAkSoAx: Who ran botijo?
[01:45] <RoAkSoAx> Pici, jpatrick = jdavies
[01:46] <stdin> o0Chris0o: you make a dir for it, just and run the command I mentioned
[01:46] <Pici> RoAkSoAx: Have you pinged him about it?
[01:46] <o0Chris0o> in consoel?
[01:46] <stdin> o0Chris0o: yep
[01:46] <o0Chris0o> ok
[01:46] <RoAkSoAx> Pici, i think he asked canonical (rt ticket) to host it... but haven't seen him online in a while
[01:47] <RoAkSoAx> and besides, not all of the factoids in ubottu are/were in botijo
[01:54] <o0Chris0o> have to isntall PsySQlite
[01:55] <stdin> yep, pythin-sqlite
[01:55] <o0Chris0o> the latest one?
[01:55] <o0Chris0o> they have 2 diff versions
[01:55] <stdin> the one called "python-sqlite"
[01:56] <stdin> and you'll want python-tz
[01:56] <o0Chris0o> k
[01:56] <stdin> install these from adept/apt
[01:59] <o0Chris0o> hmm, I installed pysqlite, the wizard is still saying that it encounterd a problem
[01:59] <stdin> what does it say?
[02:00] <o0Chris0o> well I am looking at the avaialbe plugins
[02:00] <o0Chris0o> "Factoids"
[02:00] <stdin> you don't need the "Factoids" plugin
[02:00] <o0Chris0o> oh ok
[02:00] <stdin> but you do need the python-sqlite package
[02:01] <o0Chris0o> ok
[02:01] <stdin> the bot uses another factoid plugin called Encyclopedia
[02:08] <o0Chris0o> cool
[02:08] <o0Chris0o> that was the easiest bot I ever set up
[02:08] <o0Chris0o> lol
[02:08] <o0Chris0o> very informative
[02:08] <o0Chris0o> now that the bot is installed
[02:09] <stdin> did you make tell it to create a separate plugin dir too?
[02:09] <stdin> /path/to/your/bot/plugins
[02:09] <stdin> it would have created it for you if you did
[02:12] <o0Chris0o> it didnt' ask me
[02:12] <o0Chris0o> :(
[02:13] <o0Chris0o> or do I start it up
[02:13] <o0Chris0o> and do a command
[02:13] <stdin> is there a "plugins" dir there?
[02:13] <o0Chris0o> yup
[02:13] <stdin> then it did it by default then :)
[02:13] <o0Chris0o> ahh
[02:13] <o0Chris0o> ok
[02:14] <stdin> now you need to grab the plugins form launchpad, do "bzr co http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~tsimpson/ubuntu-bots/tweak" somewhere (probably best not to do it in the bot dir)
[02:15] <o0Chris0o> oh really alright, If igured the bot dir would be fine
[02:15] <o0Chris0o> I can do it on my home directory
[02:15] <stdin> i tend not to, but it may not matter
[02:16] <stdin> just copy everything in the new "tweak" dir to the plugins dir of the bot
[02:16] <o0Chris0o> ok
[02:17] <o0Chris0o> in console correct?
[02:17] <o0Chris0o> or in the webpage
[02:18] <stdin> from a console
[02:18] <o0Chris0o> what is bzr anyways? had to install it first
[02:19] <stdin> it's a revision control system
[02:19] <o0Chris0o> I see
[02:19] <stdin> like cvs or svn
[02:19] <o0Chris0o> hah the bot took my op privy away
[02:20] <stdin> then you need to install the "sqlite" package and create the base database for factoids, or use the ubuntu one
[02:20]  * stdin wonders what license the ubuntu.db is under
[02:21] <o0Chris0o> is there an kubuntu one or is thjat ubuntu
[02:21] <o0Chris0o> how do I set the bot to identify?
[02:22] <stdin> most servers will take the nickserv pass from the server pass
[02:23] <o0Chris0o> hmm
[02:23] <stdin> the ubuntu.db has all the factoids from all the ubuntu channels
[02:24] <stdin> you set supybot.networks.<the network you told it>.password to the password
[02:24] <o0Chris0o> k
[02:25] <stdin> if you're editing the .conf file, you'll need to shut the bot down first, because it'll overwrite on exit
[02:30] <o0Chris0o> ok
[02:30] <o0Chris0o> how do I shut him down lol I closed out of the console
[02:31] <stdin> use @quit in the channel if you're identified
[02:31] <stdin> you'll have to /msg bot identify <username> <password> first if not
[02:31] <o0Chris0o> ok
[02:33] <o0Chris0o> hrmm not working
[02:33] <stdin> which bit?
[02:34] <o0Chris0o> I identified but it doesn't say anything
[02:34] <o0Chris0o> and I tried @quit
[02:34] <o0Chris0o> still nothing
[02:34] <stdin> does it say anything with bot: ping
[02:35] <o0Chris0o> no
[02:36] <stdin> it probably died when you closed the term then
[02:36] <stdin> now it's just a ghost
[02:36] <o0Chris0o> ahh
[02:36] <o0Chris0o> makes sense
[02:36] <stdin> you use "supybot -d file.conf" to get it to background
[02:36] <stdin> but you can edit the conf file now
[02:37] <o0Chris0o> alright
[02:38] <o0Chris0o> where do I find the file
[02:38] <o0Chris0o> freenodeAuth?
[02:38] <stdin> it's the <bot>.conf file
[02:38] <stdin> in the bot dir
[02:38] <o0Chris0o> ahh
[02:39] <o0Chris0o> I am looking in the tweak folder duh me
[02:39] <stdin> most of the setting you can keep the same, just make sure it's set the way you want
[02:39] <o0Chris0o> ok
[02:40] <stdin> and see if it says anything about "Encyclopedia" yet
[02:45] <o0Chris0o> not yet, I am rading through the list
[02:47] <stdin> ok, when you have the setting there to what you want, start the bot and when it joins you channel do @load Encyclopedia then @quit, that should write a load of new config options in that you can edit
[02:47] <stdin> you can edit them via the bot too, but for the fist time it's easier to edit the file
[02:50] <o0Chris0o> ok
[02:51] <o0Chris0o> how can I make myself immune
[02:52] <stdin> immune from what?
[02:56] <o0Chris0o> umm it makes me a regular user
[02:56] <o0Chris0o> not an op
[02:56] <stdin> the bot?
[02:57] <o0Chris0o> yeah
[02:57] <stdin> I've never seen it do that
[02:58] <stdin> does it get op access in your channel?
[02:58] <o0Chris0o> yeah I gave it op, then it deopped me
[02:59] <PriceChild> why do you need it doing these things, when we have chanserv?
[03:00] <o0Chris0o> its for another network :) he is helping me set it up
[03:00] <PriceChild> ah
[03:04] <stdin> look for AutoMode in the config
[03:05] <o0Chris0o> ok
[03:05] <o0Chris0o> weird, the bot is still in the channel, so it might not be a ghost
[03:06] <stdin> see if pgrep supybot shows anythign
[03:06] <o0Chris0o> came back with 7450
[03:06] <stdin> then it's running and that's the PID
[03:07] <o0Chris0o> ahh
[03:07] <o0Chris0o> hmm wonder why I couldn't authenticate
[03:07] <stdin> maybe the network block unidentified messages or something
[03:08] <o0Chris0o> yea
[03:11] <o0Chris0o> blah
[03:15] <o0Chris0o> how do I shut it down then if I can't seem to do it for some odd reason
[03:15] <stdin> kill $(pgrep supybot)
[03:15] <o0Chris0o> thanks
[03:18] <o0Chris0o> now I wonder where my info is to log on
[03:18] <stdin> it should have asked you for a username and password when running supybot-wizard
[03:25] <o0Chris0o> now I wonder where my info is to log on to the bot, and make sure its assigned to me
[03:25] <o0Chris0o> oops
[03:25] <o0Chris0o> yeah
[03:25] <o0Chris0o> it did, thats what I don't understand
[03:26] <o0Chris0o>  I use /msg identify user pass
[03:26] <o0Chris0o> msg bot
[03:35] <stdin> o0Chris0o: we're going to have to either carry on tomorrow or maybe someone else can help, it's too late and I need sleep ;)
[03:36] <o0Chris0o> np, I'm sure I can try to figure out on my own :)
[03:36] <o0Chris0o> thanks for the help
[03:36] <o0Chris0o> appreciate it
[03:37] <stdin> you can ask jussi too when he's awake, he knows about ubottu's config
[03:37] <stdin> anyway /me sleeps
[03:38] <o0Chris0o> alright thanks agian stdin
[03:38] <o0Chris0o> have a good night
[03:59] <o0Chris0o> hey guys/gals anyone else here familiar with ubottu's functions and setting up?
[05:48] <Myrtti> hum?
[06:00] <o0Chris0o> hello Myrtti
[06:00] <o0Chris0o> what you hum? about
[06:00] <o0Chris0o> my quuestion?
[06:18] <o0Chris0o> anyone around? I need some help setting up my supybot using ubuntu factoids
[07:20] <o0Chris0o> hey jussi01, stdin said you will be up sometime soon :-p hopefully you can help me setup the files for ubottu that you helped tweak so I can run on another bot on a diff network :)
[08:21] <o0Chris0o> whats up
[08:21]  * o0Chris0o needs help setting up suppybot using ubuntu factoids
[08:50] <jussi01> o0Chris0o: Im here, but $work is interrupting, I may be able to help you later. you could also ask in #supybot
[08:50] <o0Chris0o> alright np jussi01 no one isn't around in there now :) I will be idling
[09:00] <o0Chris0o> have fun at work :)
[17:25] <jdavies> OK
[17:26] <ubuntero-ar> (13:11:35) modo (+b<EMAIL_ADDRESS>) por pedro_
[17:26] <ubuntero-ar> (13:11:47) Ha sido expulsado por pedro_: (a jugar a otro lado.)
[17:26] <pedro_> ubuntero-ar: this is why i kicked you from the ubuntu-cl channel: http://www.gnome.org/~pvillavi/insultos.txt
[17:26] <Myrtti> wth
[17:27] <ubuntero-ar> cuando?
[17:27] <pedro_> I don't know why you and your friends joined there to insulting us in the first place
[17:27] <ubuntero-ar> entre a cambiarme el nick, de que insulto hablas?
[17:28] <pedro_> ubuntero-ar: read the log if you can't remember what you did.
[17:29] <jdavies> tambien: "ubuntero-ar<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu-cl"
[17:33] <Myrtti> that log looks intresting
[17:33] <RoAkSoAx> Pienso que ellos están infringiendo el CoC y creo que no solo atacan a #ubuntu-cl sino a toma la comunidad...
[17:34] <mruiz> they were insulting without reasons
[17:35] <jdavies> ubuntero-ar: por favor, leese: http://doc.ubuntu-es.org/LoCo:Lineamientos_de_conducta_para_canales_de_IRC - para leer de como se deberia comportar en un canal de IRC de Ubuntu
[17:35] <jdavies> ubuntero-ar: y tambien: http://doc.ubuntu-es.org/C%C3%B3digo_de_Conducta
[17:38] <RoAkSoAx> i believe they have did that on purpose... because they are aware of how they need to behave, they are just attacking the -cl channel...
[17:41] <jdavies> appears to have gone quite
[18:06] <o0Chris0o> anyone around? I need some help setting up my supybot using ubuntu factoids
[18:51] <stdin> o0Chris0o: boo
[19:04] <o0Chris0o> hey!
[19:04] <o0Chris0o> lol
[19:04] <stdin> how far have you gotten?
[19:04] <o0Chris0o> umm
[19:05] <o0Chris0o> I'm in a empy apt folder
[19:05] <o0Chris0o> I made a sources.list file
[19:06] <stdin> there are 2 script in the Encyclopedia dir, update_apt and update_apt_file
[19:06] <stdin> you need to edit those to point to that dir and then run them
[19:07] <o0Chris0o> yes the both point to this dir
[19:07] <o0Chris0o> how do I run them? cuz their not runnign for me
[19:07] <stdin> just cd to Encyclopedia and do "./update_apt", then "./update_apt_file"
[19:08] <o0Chris0o> bash: update_apt: command not found
[19:08] <stdin> did you put the ./ in?
[19:09] <o0Chris0o> ahh
[19:11] <o0Chris0o> I get this error http://rafb.net/p/zYWni313.html
[19:12] <stdin> you sure it's /home/Documents not /home/<your username>/Documents ?
[19:12] <o0Chris0o> dang it
[19:14] <o0Chris0o> ok this one didn't work ..
[19:14] <o0Chris0o> chris@chris-desktop:~/Documents/Bot/plugins/Encyclopedia$ ./update_apt
[19:14] <o0Chris0o> E: Archive directory /home/chris/Documents/Bot/plugins/Encyclopedia/apt/cache/archives/partial is missing.
[19:14] <stdin> then just "mkdir-p /home/chris/Documents/Bot/plugins/Encyclopedia/apt/cache/archives/partial"
[19:14] <stdin> * "mkdir -p /home/chris/Documents/Bot/plugins/Encyclopedia/apt/cache/archives/partial"
[19:15] <o0Chris0o> ok done, and it worked
[19:16] <o0Chris0o> what do I exactly put in or name the sources.list to?
[19:16] <stdin> you need to name it <release>.list
[19:17] <stdin> so, dapper.list, edgy.list. feisty.list, hardy.list etc
[19:17] <o0Chris0o> fiesty is 7.0 right? hardy is 8.04?
[19:18] <stdin> yeah, you'll want to make sure there are deb-src lines too
[19:18] <o0Chris0o> hmm ok
[19:19] <o0Chris0o> how would I do the deb-src lines in the hardy.list file
[19:21] <stdin> they are the same as the "deb http://...." lines, but replace "deb" with "deb-src"
[19:22] <o0Chris0o> in the .list file? its blank
[19:22] <stdin> you have to create the .list files
[19:23] <o0Chris0o> I guess thats where I am stuck on how to create them
[19:23] <stdin> they are the same as the /etc/apt/sources.list file
[19:23] <stdin> just replace the release name with the one you want
[19:24] <o0Chris0o> yeah I made the sources.list file, it is blank
[19:24] <o0Chris0o> I renamed it to hardy.list
[19:24] <o0Chris0o> and hardy.status
[19:24] <stdin> how did you make it?
[19:24] <o0Chris0o> create a new file
[19:24] <o0Chris0o> txt
[19:25] <o0Chris0o> didn't say exactly how to create it in the read me
[19:25] <stdin> then you should probably open it and insert some text ;)
[19:25] <o0Chris0o> ahh ok
[19:25] <stdin> copy/paste from /etc/apt/sources.list and then edit
[19:25] <o0Chris0o> k
[19:30] <o0Chris0o> ok
[19:30] <o0Chris0o> got that file copied over
[19:31] <stdin> then you'll need to rerun the update_apt and update_apt_file scripts again
[19:31] <o0Chris0o> k
[19:32] <o0Chris0o> k done
[19:33] <stdin> have you got the factoid database yet?
[19:34] <o0Chris0o> yah I copied the info from the read me into myfactoids.db in data folder
[19:34] <o0Chris0o> I think that is what I was supose to do
[19:34] <stdin> you don't copy the text, you need to input that into sqlite
[19:34] <o0Chris0o> yeah I did but it didn't do anything
[19:35] <stdin> define "didn't do anything"
[19:35] <o0Chris0o> wait nvm, thats what I did, I did sqlite myfactoids.db and it made it to a binary file
[19:35] <stdin> ok, good :)
[19:35] <stdin> have you set your config to point to that yet?
[19:36] <o0Chris0o> bot config?
[19:36] <stdin> the .conf file
[19:37] <o0Chris0o> the bot.conf? or another file?
[19:37] <stdin> yes, the bot.conf
[19:38] <o0Chris0o> I don't think so
[19:38] <stdin> have you loaded the plugins yet with the bot?
[19:38] <o0Chris0o> I think I did
[19:38] <o0Chris0o> lol
[19:38] <o0Chris0o> let me see
[19:38] <stdin> ie: @load Encyclopedia
[19:38] <o0Chris0o> yeah I did earlier, I thought I did it right
[19:38] <o0Chris0o> gonna start the bot up
[19:39] <o0Chris0o> how do I start it in konsole and have it run in background?
[19:39] <stdin> have you told the bot where to find the database yet?
[19:40] <o0Chris0o> I don't think I did this properly its not working o.o
[19:40] <o0Chris0o> so Id on't think I loaded the plugin correctly
[19:40] <stdin> you need to make sure supybot.plugins.Encyclopedia.datadir, supybot.plugins.Encyclopedia.aptdir and supybot.plugins.Encyclopedia.database
[19:41] <stdin> *are set to the right thing
[19:41] <o0Chris0o> hmm
[19:41] <o0Chris0o> ok
[19:42] <o0Chris0o> @config on the bot or through console?
[19:42] <stdin> either
[19:44] <o0Chris0o> this is where I got confused last night and thought I messed something up doing this on the bot lol I dunno
[19:45] <stdin> you set supybot.plugins.Encyclopedia.database to myfactoids
[19:45] <stdin> supybot.plugins.Encyclopedia.datadir to where ever the database is located
[19:45] <stdin> supybot.plugins.Encyclopedia.aptdir to the apt dir you made
[19:46] <stdin> and then @reload Encyclopedia should apply the settings
[19:47] <o0Chris0o> yeah,  I know how to get to the path, but how do set it per say, sorry for all the questions, I am new at this and not really that sohphisticated lol
[19:47] <stdin> you do @config <variable> <value>
[19:47] <stdin> like: @config supybot.plugins.Encyclopedia.database myfactoids
[19:49] <o0Chris0o> ahh
[19:56] <o0Chris0o> alright lets see if this worked
[19:57]  * o0Chris0o crosses fingers
[19:59] <o0Chris0o> hmm
[19:59] <o0Chris0o> not working...I am testing it by typing "!wifi" as it should bring info about setting up wifi, but it comes back with "o0Chris0o: Error: "wifi" is not a valid command."
[20:01] <stdin> is supybot.plugins.Encyclopedia.prefixchar set to !
[20:01] <o0Chris0o> yeah I made that change in the bot.conf
[20:02] <stdin> before or after you started the bot?
[20:02] <o0Chris0o> I'll dbl check to make sure
[20:02] <stdin> do @config supybot.plugins.Encyclopedia.prefixchar
[20:03] <o0Chris0o> and reload?
[20:03] <^Tech-Help^> hi where can i get a bot like Ubottu? Specifically im looking for the factoid thing so i can do <nick> | <factoid>
[20:03]  * stdin is going to have a busy day
[20:03] <o0Chris0o> !google supybot
[20:03] <Pici> ^Tech-Help^: The code is available here: http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots you'll need to be running supybot
[20:04] <^Tech-Help^> ok thanks :D
[20:04] <stdin> o0Chris0o: did you edit the config file before or after starting the bot?
[20:04] <o0Chris0o> before
[20:04] <o0Chris0o> I just changed it useing the bot config
[20:04] <o0Chris0o> should I reload it to make sure?
[20:04] <stdin> o0Chris0o: then try doing !foo is bar
[20:05] <Myrtti> well, he was fast
[20:05] <o0Chris0o> nope,, not valid command
[20:05] <o0Chris0o> unlike me :-p
[20:06] <Pici> Myrtti: He'll be back
[20:06] <Myrtti> he will
[20:07] <stdin> o0Chris0o: does @list show Encyclopedia ?
[20:07] <o0Chris0o> yes it does
[20:08] <Pici> Myrtti: see
[20:08] <^Tech-Help^> Pici  i went to that site but im not seeing a download link or anything
[20:08] <o0Chris0o> lol
[20:08] <o0Chris0o> ^Tech-Help^: first you should download the supybot
[20:08] <^Tech-Help^> lol
[20:08] <^Tech-Help^> i have
[20:08] <stdin> o0Chris0o: what does @config supybot.reply.whenAddressedBy.chars show?
[20:09] <Pici> stdin: Would the tweak branch be the best to give out now?
[20:09] <o0Chris0o> !,@
[20:09] <^Tech-Help^> i need the module that ubottu uses so i can do !<factoid> | <nick>  but i cant find it
[20:09] <stdin> Pici: it's the most up-to-date, and the one ubottu is running from
[20:09] <stdin> o0Chris0o: set it to just @
[20:09] <Myrtti> Pici: lol
[20:10] <o0Chris0o> ok
[20:10] <Pici> ^Tech-Help^: Download the branch from https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~tsimpson/ubuntu-bots/tweak
[20:10] <stdin> you'll need to install bzr to grab it
[20:10] <^Tech-Help^> omg isnt there a direct link Pici?
[20:11] <Pici> ^Tech-Help^: omg there isnt
[20:11] <^Tech-Help^> :(
[20:11] <stdin> bzr co http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~tsimpson/ubuntu-bots/tweak /path/to/my/bot/plugins
[20:11] <stdin> setup your supybot first
[20:12] <Myrtti> ^Tech-Help^: the development is ongoing process
[20:13] <^Tech-Help^> im so lost, what do i need to get !<Factoid> | <nick>  ?   all i see is a huge list of files not sure what im supposed to be looking for here
[20:13] <o0Chris0o> I get this erro while starting up the bot http://nopaste.com/p/aCaS8IFc9
[20:14] <Pici> ^Tech-Help^: You need the encyclopedia plugin
[20:14] <stdin> o0Chris0o: you can ignore that probably
[20:14] <o0Chris0o> ok
[20:14] <o0Chris0o> I changed it to just @
[20:14] <stdin> try !foo is bar
[20:14] <^Tech-Help^> Pici  from this? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~tsimpson/ubuntu-bots/tweak/files
[20:14]  * o0Chris0o sighs
[20:15] <o0Chris0o> no go
[20:15] <o0Chris0o> not a valid command
[20:15] <stdin> ^Tech-Help^: bzr co http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~tsimpson/ubuntu-bots/tweak /path/to/my/bot/plugins
[20:15] <Pici> ^Tech-Help^: Preferably using what stdin has been saying
[20:15] <stdin> o0Chris0o: did you set it with @config ?
[20:15] <stdin> you need a working supybot first though
[20:15] <stdin> ^Tech-Help^: ↑
[20:16] <^Tech-Help^> yep i got that far stdin
[20:16] <o0Chris0o> set the !foo is bar command with @config?
[20:16] <stdin> o0Chris0o: no, I mean did you set the supybot.reply.whenAddressedBy.chars variable with @config
[20:17] <o0Chris0o> oh yah
[20:17] <^Tech-Help^> oh man im still not seeing a DIRECT link for Encyclopedia plugin
[20:17] <o0Chris0o> I changed it to @ like you said
[20:17] <^Tech-Help^> how hard can this be? LOL
[20:17] <o0Chris0o> so it should be @foo is bar
[20:17] <o0Chris0o> it gets fun ^Tech-Help^
[20:17] <Pici> ^Tech-Help^: If you are doing that command in a terminal, you will have downloaded the plugins
[20:20] <^Tech-Help^> ok now we're getting somewhere lmao at first i thought that was a URL i didnt see the "bzr co" sorry guys ;)
[20:22] <o0Chris0o> foo is not working
[20:23] <o0Chris0o> !foo is bar or @foo is bar
[21:11] <^Tech-Help^> Ok i got the encyclopedia plugin how do i load it? i tried @Load Encyclopedia but it returns : <LinuxFan> @load Encyclopedia
 Error: "@load" is not a valid command.
[21:12] <stdin> what does InfoBOT: config supybot.reply.whenAddressedBy.chars  show?
[21:13] <^Tech-Help^> show !
[21:13] <^Tech-Help^> shows*
[21:13] <^Tech-Help^> ok someone told me to use @
[21:14] <stdin> if it shows !, then do !config supybot.reply.whenAddressedBy.chars @
[21:14] <stdin> then it'll change to @
[21:14] <^Tech-Help^> now i get <InfoBOT> LinuxFan: Error: No module named sqlite
[21:14] <stdin> install the packages "python-sqlite"
[21:14] <^Tech-Help^> ok thanks, brb
[21:14] <stdin> and you'll need the package "sqlite" if you want to create your own database
[21:15] <^Tech-Help^> ok i installed python-sqlite
 LinuxFan: The operation succeeded.
[21:16] <^Tech-Help^> woot were getting somewhere now :)
[21:16] <stdin> have you set the database yet?
[21:16] <^Tech-Help^> no lol
[21:16] <stdin> do you want to use your own, or the one ubottu uses?
[21:17] <^Tech-Help^> i can add to the ubottu one later?
[21:17] <^Tech-Help^> add factoids i meant
[21:17] <stdin> yeah, it'll be hosted on your machine, you can do what you want with it
[21:18] <^Tech-Help^> yeah i'd like to use ubottu's then
[21:18] <stdin> then download http://jussi01.com/ubuntu.db and save to the data subdirectory of the bot
[21:19] <^Tech-Help^> ok brb
[21:19] <jussi01> damn, that hilights me all the time...
[21:19] <stdin> then make sure supybot.plugins.Encyclopedia.database is set to "ubuntu" and supybot.plugins.Encyclopedia.datadir is set to the dir you downloaded it to
[21:20] <stdin> then @reload Encyclopedia and it should work
[21:20] <stdin> jussi01: serves you right for having a website with you nick in it :p
[21:20] <jussi01> hehe
[21:22] <^Tech-Help^> ok i downloaded it....and put it in /home/linuxfan/Supybot-0.83.2/data     you lost me on those other two steps though
[21:23] <stdin> to set the variables you do @config <variable> <value>
[21:24] <stdin> so @config supybot.plugins.Encyclopedia.database ubuntu
[21:24] <stdin> and @config supybot.plugins.Encyclopedia.datadir /home/linuxfan/Supybot-0.83.2/data
[21:24] <stdin> then @reload Encyclopedia
[21:24] <stdin> and should be done
[21:26] <^Tech-Help^> hmmm
[21:26] <^Tech-Help^> they said succeeded but when i do
 !offtopic  | LinuxFan
 LinuxFan: Error: "offtopic" is not a valid command.
[21:27] <stdin> did you change config supybot.reply.whenAddressedBy.chars to @ yet?
[21:27] <^Tech-Help^> no but i replaced it with ! and it kept saying "operations succeeded"
 @config supybot.plugins.Encyclopedia.database ubuntu
 Error: "@config" is not a valid command.
 Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[21:28] <stdin> it won't reply with the factoid if supybot.reply.whenAddressedBy.chars and supybot.plugins.Encyclopedia.prefixchar are the same
[21:29] <^Tech-Help^> i have to use @<factoid> | <nick>  ?
[21:29] <stdin> if ! is the bot command char, then you need to use ! instead of @ and change supybot.plugins.Encyclopedia.prefixchar to something other than !
[21:30] <^Tech-Help^> im still getting errors
[21:30] <stdin> what errors?
 LinuxFan: Error: "elaborate" is not a valid command.
 !offtopic  | LinuxFan
 LinuxFan: Error: "offtopic" is not a valid command.
 @config supybot.plugins.Encyclopedia.database ubuntu
 !offtopic  | LinuxFan
 LinuxFan: Error: "offtopic" is not a valid command.
 @offtopic | LinuxFan
[21:31] <nalioth> whoa.
[21:31] <^Tech-Help^> im trying eveything lol
[21:31] <nalioth>    /msg ubottu paste
[21:31] <^Tech-Help^> sorry for the flood
[21:31] <stdin> what is supybot.plugins.Encyclopedia.prefixchar set to?
[21:31] <stdin> and supybot.reply.whenAddressedBy.chars
[21:32] <^Tech-Help^> first one you asked is @
[21:32] <^Tech-Help^> second is !
[21:32] <stdin> then you use ! to give commands to the bot, and @ to get factoids
[21:33] <stdin> so instead of @config, use !config
[21:33] <^Tech-Help^> i think i did that
[21:33] <^Tech-Help^> infact i know i did
[21:33] <stdin> so what's supybot.plugins.Encyclopedia.database set to?
[21:34] <stdin> last time you just said it gave the error "@config is not a valid command."
[21:34] <^Tech-Help^> its set to ubuntu
 !config supybot.plugins.Encyclopedia.database
 LinuxFan: ubuntu
[21:34] <stdin> and have you reloaded the Encyclopedia pugin?
[21:34] <^Tech-Help^> yes ill try it again though
[21:35] <stdin> then just try @hi, if you try to use | with your own nick, it'll try to /msg you, and I'm guessing you haven't registered the nick and set the bot to identify
[21:36] <jussi01> may I humbly suggest that #ubuntu-bots would be a better place for this discussion?
[21:36] <^Tech-Help^> yeah i identified already
[21:36] <^Tech-Help^> its just not working
 !screenlets | LinuxFan
 LinuxFan: Error: "screenlets" is not a valid command.
[21:36] <stdin> you're using ! still
[21:36] <stdin> use @
[21:37] <^Tech-Help^> tried @ as well
[21:37] <stdin> what channel is it in?
[21:37] <^Tech-Help^> ok if i do @ i get a PM from that bot yelling at me to <InfoBOT> (In the future, please use a private message to investigate) Screenlets are little widgets for your !desktop. Note you must have !Compiz Fusion, !Beryl, xcompmgr, or KWin to run them. You can get them at http://www.screenlets.org/
[21:37] <stdin> yep, that's it
[21:38] <^Tech-Help^> sigh
[21:38] <^Tech-Help^> i dont want it to pm me
[21:38] <stdin> you told it to tell you, so it told you in pl
[21:38] <stdin> *pm
[21:38] <stdin> try @screenlets | anything
[21:38] <^Tech-Help^> noo if you do that on the official #Ubuntu it says it to the channel
[21:39] <stdin> no, it doesn't
[21:39] <stdin> !help | stdin
[21:39] <stdin> just got a /msg from ubottu :)
[21:39] <^Tech-Help^> ok so some commands will go to pm
[21:39] <^Tech-Help^> is there a way to cahnge the @ to !?
[21:39] <^Tech-Help^> @ is so ugly
[21:40] <stdin> do !config supybot.reply.whenAddressedBy.chars @
[21:40] <stdin> then @config supybot.plugins.Encyclopedia.prefixchar !
[21:42] <^Tech-Help^> ok hmmm if i do !resetpanel | LinuxFan  it once again shoots me a PM :/   but if you do that in the official #Ubuntu it tells you right in the channel
[21:42] <stdin> it checks your nick
[21:42] <stdin> you aren't LinuxFan in #ubuntu
[21:42] <^Tech-Help^> LinuxFan is taken :(
[21:43] <^Tech-Help^> unfortuanatly
[21:43] <stdin> that's why it's /msg'ing you when you try to give yourself a factoid
[21:43] <stdin> just try "!hi | person"
[21:44] <stdin> exactly like that
[21:44] <stdin> dones't have to be a real nick
[21:44] <^Tech-Help^> Ok guys its working great now thanks to all of you, and sorry for causing you guys any Migraines ;)
[21:45]  * stdin scores 2/2
[21:45] <^Tech-Help^> lol
[21:46] <^Tech-Help^> bye guys :D  one noob down.......millions more to go :P


[00:00] <narly> no clue man
[00:00] <narly> im kinda new
[00:01] <narly> http://askubuntu.com/questions/15223/how-can-i-restart-pulseaudio-without-logout
[00:01] <narly> is that what you are talking about?
[00:06] <narly> yo
[00:06] <narly> hello?
[00:51] <narly> anybody here?
[04:25] <the-artist> Good morning everyone!!This is my first time chating into this channel so hello to everyone
[09:15] <mate|33280> Peenious.
[09:15] <mate|33280> I have a large throbbing peenious.
[09:16] <mate|33280> It's three AM and I hafve a lalrge throbbing peenious.
[10:51] <hi> Hi there
[11:15] <ouroumov> flexiondotorg, you have a sec to talk about that mem leak issue?
[11:15] <flexiondotorg> OK
[11:16] <ouroumov> flexiondotorg, if necessary I can try to reproduce using another MATE distro, I have a spare box at home and time this weekend
[11:16] <ouroumov> Would that be helpful?
[11:16] <flexiondotorg> It would :-)
[11:17] <ouroumov> flexiondotorg: Okay. If I'm able to reproduce should I file an issue on github?
[11:27] <flexiondotorg> IIRFC There are issues on GitHub for this, if so, please do update those :-)
[13:05] <guy> good morning
[13:18] <jenandwill> anyone here can give advice about why MAte won't boot 100% of the time for me? Dual boot with windows 10...
[13:35] <kilos102> hello all
[13:37] <kilos102> can i do online remote by smartphone(android)/tablet(win10)?
[13:39] <kilos102> i cant find any app for this in market with support ubuntu mate ;/
[13:44] <alkisg> kilos102: vnc and teamviewer
[14:17] <kilos102> ok thx, and last question is about remote terminal. I want to do remote teminal by other device(like PC/smartphone). Can u send me any good /easy site/vid with solution? (i want to do checking by smartphone in therminal or graphic site)
[14:19] <ouroumov> kilos102, can you install cygwing on the tablet?
[14:20] <ouroumov> cygwin*
[14:20] <alkisg> In windows it's called putty, on google store check for ssh client
[14:20] <kilos102> good ask, moment iwant to check it
[14:20] <ouroumov> Oh right, putty was the name;
[14:20] <ouroumov> Never mind what I said kilos102
[14:20] <kilos102> i know putty/bdwise and more
[14:21] <nomic> z.z.
[14:24] <kilos102> hmmm "select root instal directory"
[14:25] <kilos102> must be "C:/cygwin"?
[14:28] <kilos102> ok i installing
[14:34] <kilos102> yea i have it
[14:36] <kilos102> and working
[14:47] <kilos102> @ouroumov its good working on my tablet
[15:12] <Seferi> Hi, i installed Kali next to ubuntu-mate for dual boot few weeks ago. Ubuntu-mate used to boot and power-off very quickly. now it takes a long time.
[15:12] <Seferi> any ideas?
[15:18] <ouroumov> Hi Seferi
[15:18] <Seferi> Hi
[15:19] <Seferi> I did systemd-analyze blame
[15:19] <ouroumov> There's an ongoing common issue with 16.04 because of the systemd transition, the system can take up to 90 seconds to power down, there's a fix for that mentioned on the forum
[15:21] <ouroumov> Seferi, https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/ubuntu-mate-16-04-lts-common-problems-known-bugs-workarounds/8340
[15:22] <Seferi> dev-sda1. device takes 6 seconds, apparmor. service takes 5
[15:23] <Seferi> on top was networkgmanager with 8 seconds, i masked it
[15:23] <Seferi> but still takes long to boot..
[15:28] <Seferi> something really is hanging on boot..  the harddrive light stops blinking as well..
[15:33] <azsunset> Theme Installer won't run.
[15:33] <Seferi> I did a fdisk -l and it says partition 2 does not start on physical sector boundary
[15:33] <Seferi> might that be a reason for slow boot?
[16:40] <mate|79849> Hi!
[16:40] <mate|79849> I'm trying use http://forums.mate-desktop.org/index.php but all is locked
[16:41] <mate|79849> this forum is closed ?
[16:47] <rahtgaz> All MATE forums now are distributed through the repective distro communities
[16:47] <rahtgaz> See here: http://mate-desktop.com/community/
[16:57] <mate|79849> Thanks
[16:58] <ubuntu-mate> i have some query regarding installation of ubuntu
[16:59] <mate|79849> Do you know maybe how add wallpapers ?  Put to /usr/share/backgrounds/mate/nature/ ?
[16:59] <ubuntu-mate> i have already installed windows os and now i want to make my laptop dual boot but i dont want to format my disk..which option should i choose?
[17:00] <ubuntu-mate> from installation type
[17:10] <logical> i love you all #shareMateLove
[17:46] <ubuntu-mate> +i
[18:58] <marc__> does ubuntu mate offer the best mate experience? or could it possibly some other distro? what made you chose ubunte mate?
[19:07] <mothert> Mate, how do I find it to run a scan?
[19:07] <mothert> Just downloaded Clam-AV need to find it to run it
[19:08] <alkisg> mothert: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ClamAV
[19:10] <alkisg> marc__: are you looking for something like this? http://news.softpedia.com/news/top-five-reasons-why-ubuntu-is-the-most-used-linux-os-491064.shtml
[19:10] <olscumpy> it feels like Ubuntu Mono wastes a lot of space, but it's surprisingly difficult to find anything better. I like how it is pseudo-bold, at least at 13 pt, which makes it very readable. other Mono fonts I've tried at 12 to 14 points tend to be very thin
[19:10] <marc__> thanks :)
[19:11] <olscumpy> anyone using something different? I wish I could nudge ubuntu mono down 1 pt or 2 smaller while still retaining that "pseudo-bold" effect
[19:12] <alkisg> olscumpy: I think that "pseudo bold" depends on your screen dpi
[19:12] <alkisg> So different people with different resolutions will have different points where they see that "bold" effect
[19:13] <alkisg> If you print it with 300 dpi, you don't see a difference between 10 or 15 pt, wrt weight
[19:13] <olscumpy> hm, probably. it applies on both my screens, which are 1600x900 and 1920x1080, but that's still a good point about other people seeing something different
[19:14] <alkisg> I don't think mate has a "per screen" dpi setting
[19:14] <alkisg> It's common to all screens for the same seat
[19:14] <olscumpy> I see
[19:15] <olscumpy> is ubuntu mono thin in your terminal, at defaults?
[19:16] <alkisg> It doesn't look thin to me, no
[19:17] <alkisg> gsettings get org.mate.font-rendering dpi
[19:17] <alkisg> 0 is the default, but you can play with it to increase your dpi
[19:19] <alkisg> Ah it's also available in `mate-appearance-properties`, my default is 96 for my 1920x1080 screen
[19:19] <olscumpy> nteresting
[19:19] <alkisg> And it's Ubuntu Mono 13
[19:20] <olscumpy> yeah, if I pump it to 111 dpi, then 12 pt becomes psuedo bold... but also everything takes up more space haha
[19:20] <olscumpy> thanks for the interesting findings
[22:09] <1JTAA7JPD> Greetings , does anyone here know about ubuntu mate on the raspberry Pi?
[22:15] <1JTAA7JPD> I'm trying to rescue some data from a mate 15.10 install on a pi2 microSD which will no longer boot following a crash,can anyone help?


[22:21] <Beeblebrox-BSD> Hi, custom resolution setting for monitor question: 24" hdmi plugged in as joined display. GPU supports max 2560x1600_60. But laptop and external displays both set at 1920x1080_60. I would like higher rez on the external 24" monitor. OS: Ububntu Groovy, + Gnome + wayland
[22:21] <Beeblebrox-BSD> I tried the Xorg version of Gnome and xrandr newmode/addmode etc, but they don't work either. Posting here, bc got no answers on #Ubuntu channel


 Kubuntu Cafe what's that?? (re @Eickmeyer: That's offtopic for this channel. Feel free to ask in the Kubuntu Cafe.)
 I can't invite you (as much as I'd like), but it's the offtopic (read: non-support) group. (re @ADHIVP: Kubuntu Cafe what's that??)
[03:00] <Mamarok> Eickmeyer: and it is called #kubuntu-offtopic AFAIK
[03:06] <Eickmeyer> Mamarok: That doesn't translate in Telegram, unfortunately.
[03:07] <Mamarok> right, I didn't think about Telegram, which I don't use
 Yes
[08:37] <user|28> hello
[08:38] <Mekaneck> user|28: welcome
[08:38] <user|28> kubuntu is it here right?
[08:38] <Mekaneck> support for kubuntu yes
[08:39] <user|28> what about its privacy settings. is it as bad as in ubuntu? if so, could I change it?
[08:43] <Mekaneck> privacy settings? I didn't find any in Kubuntu. All i do is activate UFW.
[08:48] <user|28> well they have privacy settings in ubuntu to disable
[08:48] <user|28> but I couldn't find these in kubuntu so far
[08:49] <RikMills> what do you want to prevent the OS doing?
[08:50] <Mekaneck> hi RikMills :)
[08:52] <user|28> to spy on me
[08:52] <Mekaneck> it doesn't spy on you
[08:53] <user|28> not that i would do anything forbidden, but I also could use windows if that wouldn't matter to me
 may i know what privacy issues do you have in ubuntu? (re @IrcsomeBot: <user|28> what about its privacy settings. is it as bad as in ubuntu? if so, could I change it?)
[08:53] <user|28> but ubuntu does send user data to its home server
 and more practically, you shouldn't expect any privacy at all when you are ui g internet
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[08:54] <Mekaneck> kubuntu doesn't user|28
[08:55] <user|28> so you want to say kubuntu doesn't send user data like ubuntu does? and that's why you can't disable?
[08:55] <Mekaneck> user|28: if you want a bit more privacy, disconnect from the web, don't use any phone etc.. ;)
[08:56] <user|28> that's not what I asked for. I want the same privacy as in debian without canonical
[08:56] <Mekaneck> then use debian
[08:56] <user|28> in ubuntu you disable those settings by the installation, but not in kubuntu
[08:57] <Mekaneck> afaik Kubuntu doesn't send any user stats
[08:57] <Mekaneck> RikMills: right? ^
[09:00] <user|28> that would be interesting to know for sure
[09:01] <RikMills> it is off by default
[09:01] <user|28> how do you know that?
 agreed (re @IrcsomeBot: <Mekaneck> user|28: if you want a bit more privacy, disconnect from the web, don't use any phone etc.. ;))
[09:05] <Mekaneck> user|28: why bother with it if it's off by default?
[09:05] <Mekaneck> just use the OS with the knowledge that it doesn't send any user stats like ubuntu does
[09:06] <Mekaneck> and if you're that in doubt and don't trust it, switch to Debian then :)
 somewhere there is a dossier on you regardless of what you do to circumvent it. (re @IrcsomeBot: <user|28> how do you know that?)
[09:07] <user|28> thank you Mekanek, you convinced me now :)
[09:07] <Mekaneck> :)
[09:10] <user|28> I always thought kubuntu would be straight ubuntu only with a KDE desktop. seems like they are still different
[09:12] <RikMills> also, if you mean info sent with crash reports, the default setting is to ask you if you want to send it. you can just choose not to send
[09:23] <user|28> very good.
[09:23] <user|28> why is it so different than ubuntu. do you know that?
[09:27] <RikMills> for error reports it is not. ubuntu has them set to manual also, which means you get asked if you want to send
[09:29] <Mekaneck> besides the desktop and apps there's not much difference between them user|28
[09:30] <Mekaneck> the base is Ubuntu, just like with all the other ubuntu flavours
[09:32] <RikMills> I'm not really sure where the myth that ubuntu collects users data in any dodgy way comes from
[09:36] <user|28> I guess that's because of the not opensource snap packages. I disabled them and installed the flatpak apps on a virtualbox. today I will install kubuntu fully on my drive instead of mx linux
[09:38] <Mekaneck> there aren't any snap packages install by default unless you, as a user, install them.
[09:38] <Mekaneck> what you say doesn't make any sense.
[09:39] <RikMills> yes, kubuntu has no snaps by default
[09:40] <Mekaneck> neither has Ubuntu
[09:41] <user|28> that might be that there are snap packages installed as I tested that with "list snap", but I also don't want them in Discover. so I purged snapd and installed flatpak and a discover plugin
[09:42] <RikMills> Mekaneck: it does in recent releases. i.e. the snap store
[09:42] <RikMills> https://i.imgur.com/vrFkN4C.png
[09:42] <Mekaneck> RikMills: ah, you're right. Thanks.
[09:44] <RikMills> and kubuntu :) https://i.imgur.com/TvFHWq9.png
 What's the use of Kubuntu Cafe if people can't join or be invited? (re @Eickmeyer: I can't invite you (as much as I'd like), but it's the offtopic (read: non-support) group.)
 Why not create a official Kubuntu Offtopic telegram group instead. :)
 /2740
 2470
 2740
 2T40
 2T4Q
 What should I do
 Plsssssss someone help me
 2T4O
 👍
 with what? (re @villagerrrrrrrrr: Plsssssss someone help me)
 The CAPTCHA (re @Maik_aD: with what?)
 It was confusing
 That what was written
 ah, i see
 /commands@join_captcha_bot
 /difficulty@join_captcha_bot 3
 /difficulty 3
 I dialed down the captcha difficulty a little bit
[14:43] <mdiehl> Hi, does anyone know how to upgrade from 19.04 to 20.04?
[14:52] <Mekaneck> mdiehl: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[14:53] <Mekaneck> best to clean install imho
[14:53] <Mekaneck> faster too
[14:53] <mdiehl> Faster than backup->install->restore ?
[14:53] <Mekaneck> probably
[14:54] <Mekaneck> first you have to go from 19.04 to 19.10 which both are EOL and then 20.04
[14:54] <Mekaneck> so clean install is faster
[14:55] <mdiehl> OK.  I have to do this on 5 computers.  How do I avoid being in this situation when 20.04 is eol?
[14:55] <Mekaneck> i'd also stick with 20.04 LTS since it's longer supported, then when the next LTS comes out upgrade to that.
[14:55] <mdiehl> Surely I won't be doing clean installs each time.
[14:56] <Mekaneck> Kubuntu LTS releases are supported for 3 years
[14:56] <mdiehl> OK, the NEXT lts will be a clean upgrade.
[14:56] <kirvesAxe> Isn't upgrades between LTS versions a bit easier..?
[14:56] <mdiehl> That's what I'm hoping....
[14:56] <Mekaneck> if you keep using 20.04 LTS yes
[14:56] <mdiehl> I don't want to do this again...
[14:56] <mdiehl> Good.
[14:58] <Mekaneck> keep in mind that upgrading isn't always flawless. It works for one user but for the other not, depending on hardware etc. etc..
[14:58] <mdiehl> Sure.
[14:59] <mdiehl> I'll start backup up /home.  8-)
 same thoughts (re @IrcsomeBot: <RikMills> I'm not really sure where the myth that ubuntu collects users data in any dodgy way comes from)
 Well, the channel mods/owners can invite. I don't know why the invite code isn't public. (re @Maik_aD: What's the use of Kubuntu Cafe if people can't join or be invited?)
 Can anyone tell me how big t number is kubuntu users
 Could you ask them? Would be appreciated. (re @Eickmeyer: Well, the channel mods/owners can invite. I don't know why the invite code isn't public.)
 The (re @ADHIVP: Can anyone tell me how big t number is kubuntu users)
 hard to tell (re @ADHIVP: Can anyone tell me how big t number is kubuntu users)
 They're in this channel. @RikMills (re @Maik_aD: Could you ask them? Would be appreciated.)
 ah, ok
 @RikMills ^^
 @RikMills They want invites to -offtopic Telegram group.
 We do not collect any metrics as a flavour that would allow us to know this (re @ADHIVP: Can anyone tell me how big t number is kubuntu users)
 I would quite like to do away with that group rather than grow it (re @Eickmeyer: @RikMills They want invites to -offtopic Telegram group.)
 Fair, but IRC guidelines apply here, and since this channel is bridged to the support channel and that one is bridged to the offtopic channel, it makes sense. Unless the Kubuntu council decides that anything goes here, but that would require coordination with the IRCC as well. (re @RikMills: I would quite like to do away with that group rather than grow it)
 None of that has anything to do with giving new invites
 Well, do you want offtopic conversation here? Because that's what not giving new invites creates.
 offtopic conversations in a supportchannel? No thanks, it also shows on IRC via the bridge
[18:05] <user217_> hello. Can someone help me to identify app? https://askubuntu.com/users/1177229/user216
[18:07] <user217_> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1348615/cant-identify-app
[18:07] <user217_> *sorry, first link - wrong
[18:07] <alkisg> user217_: run ps faux, store it, then xkill, kill the app, then ps faux, then compare the first ps to the second ps and you'll know what you killed
[18:08] <alkisg> xkill allows you to kill an app with a mouse click
[18:11] <user217_> alkisg: can I identify this app without closing/killing window ?
[18:11] <alkisg> Probably, but I don't have the time now to propose a solution for that
[18:12] <user217_> m.b. someone else ?
[18:13] <alkisg> user217_: try `xwininfo`
[18:15] <user|14> i have a problem in my kubuntu os
[18:21] <user217_> alkisg: this is output : xwininfo: Window id: 0x44185cd (has no name)
[18:42] <alkisg> user217_: xwininfo -all
[18:42] <alkisg> Then check the "process id"
[18:53] <user217_> alkisg: the stange thing is that :       Process id: (unknown)   https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wVkWypx5Hc/
[18:55] <alkisg> Well maybe the process has already died and some parent is still holding it up as a zombie. xkill will tell you.
[18:55] <alkisg> You're not running xorg processes as root, are you?
[18:56] <user217_> alkisg: I try `xwininfo -all` with sudo too
[18:56] <user217_> result was the same
[18:58] <user217_> alkisg: "xkill will tell you."   you mean : ps faux + xkill + ps faux ?
[18:58] <alkisg> Yup
[19:05] <user217_> did it was : http.so [kdeinit5] https local:/run/user/1000/klauncherNaKUvc.1.slave-socket local:/run/user/1000/plasmashellrYrfEr.2   ?  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2Rf9Kzjpw7/   https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8rwZySP9Vc/
[19:06] <user217_> alkisg:  if yes - I still dont get what app it was :(
[19:11] <alkisg> Meh that ubuntu pastebin is awful, it requires a login and a browser to get the text
[19:11] <alkisg> http.so is in both pastes, isn't it?
[19:28] <user217_> alkisg: https://pastebin.com/raw/BrcqhuUi   https://pastebin.com/raw/xp9B1HuC
[19:28] <user217_> `http.so [kdeinit5] https local:/run/user/1000/klauncherNaKUvc.1.slave-socket local:/run/user/1000/plasmashellrYrfEr.2`
[19:28] <user217_> as I see - no
[19:49] <alkisg> pastebin requires login to view raw
[20:00] <user217_> https://termbin.com/abr9
[20:00] <user217_> https://termbin.com/cpd7
[20:01] <user217_> @alkisg hope this ^ two is no require login
[20:17] <oem> test
[20:18] <Mekaneck> fail
[20:18] <oem> ;-))
[20:22] <alkisg> user217_: yeah, these don't require login. Check https://askubuntu.com/questions/964590/what-is-the-process-http-so
[20:30] <user217_> @alkisg thnks
[20:33] <bewees> Hi, is using wayland instead of X already stable for Kubuntu >=20.04?
[20:35] <Mekaneck> bewees: no
[20:36] <Mekaneck> it improved though during the last two releases afaik
[20:36] <Mekaneck> it'll be wiser to stay on X with 20.04
[20:36] <bewees> Mekaneck: Okay, then I keep using the default packages. KDE seems to use anyways few wayland libraries already to make use of waylands advantageous
[20:36] <bewees> advantages*
[20:37] <bewees> Thanks!
[20:37] <Mekaneck> np