[00:00] <luiscinema> ah
[00:00] <luiscinema> good
[00:00] <luiscinema> is me
[00:00] <luiscinema> and
[00:00] <luiscinema> not
[00:00] <FloodBot1> luiscinema: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:00] <luiscinema> aha
[00:00] <luiscinema> tell me
[00:00] <luiscinema> please
[00:00] <luiscinema> your world is beautiful
[00:00] <matt_489> Hi folks - I'm looking to buy a new laptop. Project Sputnik sounds awesome, but I'd like to know if there is something better. Is the thinkpad x-1 carbon compatible and better?
[00:00] <luiscinema> or not
[00:01] <luiscinema> hi
[00:01] <luiscinema> matt
[00:01] <FloodBot1> luiscinema: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:01] <Jeruvy> luiscinema don't flood
[00:01] <luiscinema> ok
[00:01] <luiscinema> ich dont flood
[00:01] <luiscinema> matttt
[00:02] <luiscinema> congratulations by your new laptop
[00:02] <luiscinema> ist crazy
[00:02] <Jeruvy> luiscinema if you are looking to chat this is the wrong channel.  Feel free to ask you support question though.
[00:02] <luiscinema> am sorry
[00:05] <luiscinema> what is it?
[00:05] <luiscinema> ubuntu studio or ubuntu
[00:06] <luiscinema> I use ubuntu studio and you?
[00:07] <luiscinema> ahhh thi is  a  bored....
[00:08] <matt_489> If there is a better channel to ask this on, I'll go there.
[00:10] <Catalystic> http://www.uberent.com/pa/
[00:12] <luiscinema> flood bot 2
[00:12] <TheUsD> Anyone in here worked with HotBrick firewalls?
[00:13] <TheUsD> Or know of a good channel to get information about them
[00:14] <TheUsD> #routers
[00:16] <wilee-nilee> TheUsD, I doubt there is a channel, not here for sure.
[00:22] <Nick119119> Hello, All of you Ubuntu channel  goers! I'm having an instalation error, if someone could help me out I would be incredibly greatful
[00:23] <fwe>  i was in project that was failing and as a result got my probation period extended. they said my programming skills were not that good. however an expert programmer was brought in and the project is still failing. the project manager and i had had an argument and that is why he tried to sabotage me. do you feel the boss knows the truth now?
[00:23] <wilee-nilee> !details | Nick119119
[00:24] <Nick119119> It's just a weird error, I have it on disk and choose to install, but when I get to the part where it's supposed to ask if I want to install over or alongside win7, it just instead asks me to delete win7 or choose 'something else', and I'm trying to install ubuntu 13.04 64 bit
[00:24] <badzavrza> http://www.california-roleplay.org/
[00:24] <badzavrza> http://www.california-roleplay.org/
[00:24] <FloodBot1> badzavrza: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:25] <wilee-nilee> Nick119119, post a screenshot of gparted, sounds like you have 4 primary partitions already the limit in a mbr setup.
[00:25] <wilee-nilee> !imagebin
[00:25] <Nick119119> I do have ubuntu 12.04 installed, but I'm trying to install over that
[00:25] <wlin> LL
[00:26] <mfdl> can anyone help me out with a weird networking problem? My samba share activates only after a user logs in. However, my monitor died on me and I want to continue accessing my files via the share.
[00:26] <wilee-nilee> Nick119119, Then use the something other option and point the install at that partition and mount is /
[00:27] <mfdl> actually, never mind the share just showed up after refreshing
[00:27] <wilee-nilee> Nick119119, YOU lose what is there do you need anything in 12.04?
[00:27] <Nick119119> How can I tell which partition has my old Ubuntu? sda3 says windows loader, but the rest say nothing. And no, I already backed up all of my old data
[00:27] <Gabboz> Hi.  Ubuntu 12.04 server.  Is it possible to mount a location between two servers with ssh?  As I understand it sshfs is a FUSE item.  Thanks.
[00:28] <psusi> wilee-nilee, you don't if you don't check the format box
[00:28] <wilee-nilee> Nick119119, Open gparted on the live cd take a screen shot and imagebin it, prtsc key takes a pic.
[00:28] <psusi> Gabboz, so what if it's fuse?
[00:28] <wilee-nilee> psusi, Ah, would not do that myself.
[00:28] <Gabboz> can fuse run on server version?
[00:28] <psusi> yea
[00:28] <psusi> you can run anything you want on server
[00:29]  * Catalystic is listening to 03 - Highpersonic Whomen - Critical Moments (Daytripper Mix).mp3
[00:29] <Gabboz> ok. lets pretend I have somewhere.com port 600 as a ssh.  what cmd syntax would I use to mount a dir on the other server?
[00:29] <musca> you can send anything through ssh tunnels
[00:29] <Gabboz> musca, i agree i just dont know how to set as a mount
[00:30] <Nick119119> http://imagebin.org/261935
[00:30] <psusi> Gabboz, not sure, never used sshfs myself... check the man page
[00:32] <wilee-nilee> Nick119119, Did you install ubuntu from windows originally, I see no ext type partitions.
[00:33] <Nick119119> Yes, I didn't have a blank disk or usb at the time. That's why I installed 12.04 inthe first place, it had a windows installer
[00:34] <wilee-nilee> Nick119119, YOu have 4 primary partitions you can not add another. You will have to deal with saving what you need from one there, then making a extended in its place for logical types for the ubuntu and swap.
[00:35] <ccclipsss> I'm trying to dual boot Ubuntu with Linux Mint but when I try to create a boot disk via DVD I can't boot from the CD no matter what route I go (adjusting bios settings and such), and a USB doesn't even show up.
[00:35] <Nick119119> Alright, newb question time then, how do I specifically see what is on one of the partitions?
[00:35] <psusi> ccclipsss, how did you burn the cd?
[00:36] <wilee-nilee> Nick119119,  You might want to check with the ##windows channel understanding the partitions you have and what is there.
[00:36] <ccclipsss> psusi Startup Disk Creater and unetbootin
[00:36] <ccclipsss> When doing the DVD I used k3b
[00:37] <Nick119119> Okay, thank you very much!
[00:37] <Gabboz> psusi, works well. syntax is odd with non-default port but works.. thanks
[00:37] <wilee-nilee> Nick119119, I would also make sure this is a mbr not uefi gpt setup, I assume it isn't but ths is rather important
[00:37] <wilee-nilee> *this
[00:38] <psusi> ccclipsss, well then you have to figure out how to tell your bios to boot that drive
[00:38] <ccclipsss> psusi When I try to change the boot order, I make the CD drive the main priority and that doesn't work, and when I try to manually select it, it doesn't show up at all.
[00:39] <ccclipsss> If it makes a difference this was originally a windows 8 computer.
[00:39] <Gabboz> ccclipsss, is secure boot involved?
[00:39] <psusi> ccclipsss, which iso are you using?  you might go into the bios and see if there's an option to disable secure boot, it can cause problems
[00:40] <ccclipsss> I believe secure boot is enabled.
[00:40] <Gabboz> turn it off
[00:40] <ccclipsss> I will try to disable it.
[00:40] <psusi> it it came with windows 8 it had secure boot enabled... it's required for the windows 8 logo
[00:40] <ccclipsss> While I'm in the BIOS menu are there any other options I should look at and/or possibly adjust?
[00:41] <Gabboz> ccclipsss, boot order is convenient but not necessary
[00:41] <ccclipsss> Thanks guys, I'll give it a shot.
[00:41]  * Catalystic is listening to 01 - Stereofeld - Zwirbeldrusenfunk.mp3
[00:41] <psusi> another sticking point with windows 8 is that when you tell it to shut down, it really just hibernates, making booting another os a problem... disable "fast boot"
[00:41] <ccclipsss> Okay.
[00:42] <Gabboz> psusi, interesting.  where is that setting in win8?
[00:42] <psusi> dunno, I stopped using windows after xp
[00:42]  * Gabboz still has to use win stuff.
[00:42] <Gabboz> ahh its a common entry in blogspace
[00:43] <Catalystic> a friend of mine tell me that windows svhost is a trojan
[00:43] <con-man> how do I change/disable the alt hotkey for the sidebar?
[00:46] <ccclipsss> psusi I disabled secure boot and it still didn't work. When I go into the boot options it doesn't even show my CD drive. If I put my Ubuntu boot disk in it will load up the way it's supposed to, and it will show my CD drive in boot options.
[00:47] <ccclipsss> However, any other boot disk I try does not work.
[00:47] <ccclipsss> I burned the Ubuntu disk in Windows 8. I have burned the others in Ubuntu.
[00:47] <Gabboz> ccclipsss, is your machine a whitebox or a brand name?
[00:48] <ccclipsss> it's an HP
[00:48] <Gabboz> have you googled your make model with install ubuntu?
[00:48] <Gabboz> see if others went through same issue?
[00:48] <ccclipsss> I will try that now.
[00:48] <Gabboz> HP what?
[00:48] <Gabboz> u tryin to install 12.04 or something newer?
[00:49] <Tex_Nick> Catalystic:  http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/what-is-svchostexe-and-why-is-it-running/
[00:49] <ccclipsss> hp 2000-2b43dx
[00:49] <ccclipsss> I'm trying to dual boot Ubuntu 12.04 with Linux Mint 13 KDE.
[00:49] <ccclipsss> I already have Ubuntu installed.
[00:50] <Gabboz> ah
[00:51] <ccclipsss> For some reason I am unable to create a boot disk that works. I go through all of the procedures to create it, even using google to find alternate methods to create one, but it just doesn't work. But it puzzles me because the Ubuntu boot disk works just fine.
[00:51] <wilee-nilee> ccclipsss, Not much difference between mint and ubuntu other than desktops, which are available in the ubuntu repos, and some codecs included on the mint install.
[00:52] <ccclipsss> wilee-nilee Thanks. I'll look into that. It doesn't satisfy my curiosity of why boot disks aren't working though :\
[00:52] <Gabboz> ccclipsss, have you MD5d the ISO you downloaded?
[00:52] <psusi> ccclipsss, what?  you just said that it works, and that it doesn't
[00:53] <ccclipsss> psusi The Ubuntu boot disk works just fine. However, any other boot disk I create with any other OS on it does not work.
[00:53] <psusi> ccclipsss, well, you'd have to take that up with the other OS then ;)
[00:54] <wilee-nilee> ccclipsss, I am not up on W8 stuff so on that I can't help, the boot disk not sure, the usb's should show on a computer that new. There is a boot from menu outside the bios I use rather then the bios to boot other media...etc, I assume it is there in a uefi.
[00:55] <ccclipsss> Gabboz I have not MD5d any ISO that I have downloaded.
[00:55] <wilee-nilee> !md5sum
[00:55] <Gabboz> ccclipsss, i would verify what you downloaded is what was intended.. get the md5 from mint and cross reference
[00:55] <wilee-nilee> mint should have the sums to compare
[00:55] <Gabboz> yup
[00:58] <foobArrr> I have a strange problem since upgrading to 13.04. I'm using xfce with compiz. when I have several maximized windows, somtimes when I click the X to close a window, not the window in the front but a window in the back gets closed. I tried with both gtk-window-decorator and emerald, same result. any ideas?
[00:58] <Gabboz> foobArrr, have you tried this scenario in another user account?
[00:59] <foobArrr> Gabboz: no, but I will now :)
[00:59] <Gabboz> just to rule out userspace issue
[00:59] <deviantintegral> is there a way to back up an mdadm superblock before rebuilding with --create -- assume-clean? is it worth even trying?
[01:00] <Gabboz> deviantintegral, might wana gloss over this for ideas.. http://askubuntu.com/questions/69086/mdadm-superblock-recovery
[01:01] <rhizome> my usb key is not mounting well. i have pmount installed and nothing in fstab (and i'm pretty sure nothing relevant in udev)
[01:02] <deviantintegral> thanks Gabboz. google is failing because it keeps confusing ext superblocks with mdadm superblock
[01:03] <psusi> deviantintegral, why would you try to recreate the array in the first place?  this is generally a bad move
[01:04] <deviantintegral> psusi: i have 3 drives, 2 were throwing smart warnings. Got replacements, and started to swap / rebuild the drive that was closer to death. During the rebuild the other drive failed :(
[01:05] <psusi> deviantintegral, time to restore from backup then
[01:06] <deviantintegral> so, now I'm trying to rebuild with the other drive. The main issue is, I can't --assemble them because the newer drive thinks the drive I've put back in is failed
[01:06] <deviantintegral> since it's on the same device node
[01:06] <deviantintegral> yeah, this set might be toast.
[01:08] <akurilin> Quick question, what do you do if the ethernet card on one's motherboard is not detected by Ubuntu 12.04 at install?
[01:08] <ccclipsss> Gabboz I checked the md5 and the one I download matches the one on the Mint website.
[01:08] <Gabboz> ccclipsss, do you have another PC to test this disc with?
[01:08] <ccclipsss> Unfortunately I don't, but I could possibly get one tomorrow. I'll give that a shot.
[01:08] <Gabboz> fyi, i have seen some distros simply not boot to a PC and never did discover why
[01:09] <Moonlightning> Every time I boot my laptop, it seems to take about half a minute to ready the swap device. I think that's because it's encrypted; is there anything I can do to make that faster? It's kind of annoying.
[01:09] <spark_> i need help ... i can't use my netbook at all i am using ubuntu 10.04 lts and got some weird beheviour like when i click it seams that i can't interact any thing it just grab it and move it , it is annoying. i tryed to reboot did nothing the problem  is still on, it was running fine this morning and now it just does that alt lock thing wich make my netbook unusable at all , some one knows about that ?
[01:09] <wilee-nilee> ccclipsss, Have you checked the boot from menu outside the bios, sometimes computers wont boot a disc or usb otherwse.
[01:09] <ccclipsss> wilee-nilee I have, and the CD drive doesn't even show up in the menu.
[01:09] <wilee-nilee> !10.04 | spark_
[01:10] <wilee-nilee> !eol | spark_
[01:10] <ccclipsss> wilee-nilee It shows up if I put the Ubuntu boot disk in, which I burned with Windows 8, but any image I burn in Ubuntu doesn't show up.
[01:10] <ccclipsss> Perhaps it is a problem with the way I am creating the boot disk?
[01:11] <wilee-nilee> ccclipsss, Really, I wonder of uefi setups are different here, a tweak needed to see it.
[01:11] <wilee-nilee> ccclipsss, YOu want to burn it as an image is all.
[01:11] <ccclipsss> I have an option in the boot menu to boot from UEFI, but all of the directories lead to dead ends.
[01:11] <Gabboz> ccclipsss, i make ISOs with the gui, i right click on the .iso and choose write disc.  if you want cmd line you can go that way too
[01:11] <spark_> wilee-nilee thank's for that but since unity does not work with my cg at all i can't use the newer release
[01:11] <ccclipsss> Gabboz I have attempted it that way as well.
[01:12] <alexandergranase> #join #frogatto
[01:12] <foobArrr> Gabboz: I couldn't reproduce it in a quick test with a second user account
[01:12] <wilee-nilee> spark_, Cool, there are about 50 desktops to choose from though, 10.04 is not supported here is all, just a heads up, I would get a supported OS.
[01:13] <ccclipsss> My only theory is that Ubuntu isn't burning the images properly, maybe because it doesn't agree with my hardware the way Windows 8 did. I will take your advice and attempt to see if it works on another computer in order to rule that out.
[01:16] <Gabboz> foobArrr, then you can either re-create your account or wipe the settings...unless you wish to track down the exact setting causing your issue
[01:17] <Gabboz> ccclipsss, the write to disc option might work better for you too
[01:17] <Frazzled> Hello
[01:18] <Frazzled> Anybody here know why an Ubuntu installation would crash?
[01:18] <SDr> hi guys, on linode dashboard, my ubuntu box shows extreme CPU, and outgoing traffic spikes around 8am, for which I can't see any relevant record in /etc/crontab .any suggestions on how to locate what's going on in there?
[01:18] <ikonia> SDr: I suspect it's worth just asking linode directly
[01:19] <ccclipsss> Gabboz is it possible that the issue is Ubuntu writing it to an -rw disc?
[01:19] <cristiangomez> hi
[01:19] <foobArrr> Gabboz: I wish to track down the exact setting causing the issue, starting from scratch would be to much work. but I don't even know where to start. (If all else fails, I'll restore the 12.10 backups, I guess)
[01:19] <ikonia> SDr: the linode builds are not ubuntu builds, but custom spins, and they are on potentially over subscribed hosts
[01:19] <ikonia> SDr: also you won't be able to see "everything" that goes on , so ask linnode for help
[01:19] <Gabboz_AFK> foobArrr, no need.. just copy/move your data to the new user account and move on
[01:19] <Jeruvy> Frazzled how did it crash?  Can you review /var/log/messages?
[01:20] <Gabboz_AFK> ccclipsss, shouldnt matter. .i STILL use cd/rw :P
[01:20] <Frazzled> One sec!
[01:20] <Gabboz_AFK> back later
[01:20] <Maple__> Hi. On 12.04 LTS Desktop, the clock is persistently getting slow by a minute or a few after several days; in Time & Date settings, the time is retrieved automatically from the Internet, yet it's still a few minutes behind.
[01:20] <Maple__> I have to click it again to make it select the right time...
[01:21] <Frazzled> Just for further information, this is not the only Linux Distro I have had difficulty installing: I haven't been able to install Xubuntu 12.04 LTS or 13.04 either.
[01:21] <ikonia> Maple__: what source are you syncing your clock from
[01:21] <ccclipsss> I think I will install a windows partition and see if it works that way before I go on the hunt for another PC to attempt this on.
[01:21] <Jeruvy> Maple__ is this on a Virtual machine?
[01:21] <cristiangomez> ALLChaN
[01:22] <Frazzled> Maple__ You might be having an issue with that watch battery in the motherboard if the other OS has time issues as well.
[01:23] <Frazzled> @jeruvy: It's saying it's an issue with ubiquity 2.14.6; it's a Bug; 2.9.2-0ubuntu8
[01:24] <Jeruvy> Frazzled hmm, I no nothing about ubiquity sorry.
[01:24] <Frazzled> I have this Ubuntu install on a pendrive and installed it on another machine; it's working fine...
[01:25] <Frazzled> This machine has not been able to install anything today.
[01:25] <Frazzled> Xubuntu 12.04, Xubuntu 13.04, Linux Mint 15, Ubuntu 13.04....
[01:26] <Frazzled> The difference here is that Ubuntu actually reports an issue while the other say there's a "read" error.
[01:26] <Jeruvy> Frazzled read errors can indicate a bad/going bad HDD.
[01:27] <Moonlightning> Every time I boot my laptop, it seems to take about half a minute to ready the swap device. I think that's because it's encrypted; is there anything I can do to make that faster? It's kind of annoying.
[01:27] <ikonia> unencypt it ?
[01:27] <Frazzled> Hmm... I ran UBCD and tried the Seagate utility and it said the HDD was fine though.
[01:27] <ikonia> why have you encypted it in the first place ?
[01:28] <Moonlightning> Security reasons.
[01:28] <ikonia> Moonlightning: really..you have data that is THAT sensative in swap
[01:28] <Frazzled> Lol, typical reason for encryption...
[01:28]  * Moonlightning is paranoid. >.>
[01:28] <mpsan> Hello ALL: Would UBUNTU 13.04 + KDE=KUBUNTU 13.04?
[01:29] <ikonia> Moonlightning: what data do you think is beign held in swap that is that sensitive
[01:29] <ikonia> encyption for the average user is just a waste of time and effort.
[01:29] <Frazzled> @mpsan: basically
[01:29] <Frazzled> Any ideas Jeruvy?
[01:29] <gordonjcp> encrypting swap is just silly
[01:29] <gordonjcp> disk encryption generally is a waste of time
[01:30] <gordonjcp> it's a great way to lose data, but other than that
[01:30] <Jeruvy> Frazzled I'd be suspicious of that disk.
[01:30] <mpsan> OK, My UBUNTU 13.04 works from DVD in trial mode. KUBUNTU 13.04 does not! It gets to a few icons and then the screen is garbage. KUBUNTU 12.10 is OK!
[01:31] <gordonjcp> Frazzled: read errors from the hard disk?
[01:31] <Moonlightning> Ehh, I dunno, there are people around here that know how to take a hard disk out of a laptop…
[01:31] <ikonia> Moonlightning: so ?#
[01:31] <Moonlightning> So I don't quite trust them.
[01:31] <Frazzled> gordonjcp: No, my Ubuntu 13.04 installer crashed from pendrive and is saying it's a ubiquity issue
[01:32] <ikonia> Moonlightning: yes, but really....what "secure" data do you have that's being held in swap ?
[01:32] <gordonjcp> Frazzled: tried another pen drive?
[01:32] <gordonjcp> why are you even using swap, anyway?
[01:32] <Moonlightning> Anything might end up in swap if I run out of memory
[01:32] <gordonjcp> what is this, 1983?
[01:32] <ikonia> Moonlightning: yes, but really.....
[01:33] <gordonjcp> Moonlightning: two things
[01:33] <ikonia> Moonlightning: you've chosen to encypt swap...there is an overhead for that
[01:33] <Frazzled> gordonjcp: I have tried, between 2 pendrives, Xubuntu 12.04 LTS, Xubuntu 13.04, Linux Mint 15, and Ubuntu 13.04
[01:33] <gordonjcp> Moonlightning: disk encryption causes way more problems than it solves
[01:33] <gordonjcp> Moonlightning: also
[01:33] <gordonjcp> you're just not that interesting
[01:33] <gordonjcp> Moonlightning: sorry to have to break it to you like this, but no-one cares about your unencrypted data
[01:33] <Moonlightning> Fair enough. My question is, can I make that overhead a little less noticeable?
[01:33] <ikonia> Moonlightning: no
[01:33] <gordonjcp> Moonlightning: nope
[01:33] <ikonia> Moonlightning: get a faster laptop
[01:34] <gordonjcp> Moonlightning: disk encryption will cripple the performance of your machine and there is no way round it
[01:34] <Moonlightning> hahaha, that's a good idea. :p
[01:34] <gordonjcp> Moonlightning: at best you'll lose 10%
[01:34] <gordonjcp> at worst, you'll *get* 10%
[01:35] <gordonjcp> Moonlightning: oh and if you ever have disk problems, all your data is gone for good
[01:35] <Frazzled> Anybody know anything about "ubiquity"?
[01:35] <gordonjcp> Frazzled: yes, it's the installer framework that Ubuntu uses
[01:35] <ikonia> Frazzled: why don't you just askt he real question
[01:36] <Moonlightning> gordonjcp: isn't that true even if you don't use FDE? ;)
[01:36] <Frazzled> I did, but... lol.
[01:36] <gordonjcp> Moonlightning: no, because with many disk failures you can at least get some of the data back
[01:36] <Frazzled> My Ubuntu 13.04 install crashed: the 4th Linux install crash of the day.
[01:36]  * Moonlightning shrugs
[01:37] <Moonlightning> I'll keep that in mind. :p
[01:37] <gordonjcp> Frazzled: then you're doing something wrong
[01:37] <ikonia> Frazzled: any more detail than that ?
[01:37] <wheatthin> is a compiz a must for gnome classic?
[01:37] <Frazzled> Like...?
[01:37] <gordonjcp> Frazzled: it's impossible to say
[01:37] <gordonjcp> Frazzled: you haven't told us what's wrong
[01:37] <Frazzled> The other 3: Xubuntu 12.04 LTS, Xubuntu 13.04, and Linux Mint 15 didn't give specific errors, stating there was a read error when trying to get more info.
[01:37] <wheatthin> !compiz
[01:38] <gordonjcp> Frazzled: a read error suggests the disk may be failing
[01:38] <jason__> join xubuntu-devel
[01:38] <gordonjcp> Frazzled: without knowing what the error message was, it's impossible to say
[01:38] <Frazzled> Ubuntu 13.04 stated that Ubiquity crashed due to a "bug"
[01:38] <ikonia> Frazzled: so why is this "ubiquity"
[01:38] <gordonjcp> Frazzled: that's useless
[01:38] <gordonjcp> Frazzled: post the error message *verbatim*
[01:39] <ikonia> Frazzled: so think it through, 4 different distros fail with a complaint on disk, one of them a more generic bug with "ubiquity" - what does that suggest to you
[01:39] <Frazzled> I figured, since I used this install on another machine and it is working fine.
[01:39] <Jeruvy> Frazzled the read error is more telling
[01:39] <gordonjcp> Frazzled: what is common to all the attempts you've made to install?
[01:39] <Jeruvy> with read errors anything could fail.
[01:39] <Frazzled> I am already thinking it is a hardware issue, but I have already ruled out: memory, hard-drive, cpu and am left with PSU, motherboard
[01:40] <ikonia> Frazzled: how have you ruled them out ?
[01:40] <Frazzled> But I wanted to know if anybody could help me figure if this was at all a software issue.
[01:40] <Frazzled> Verbatim error message?
[01:40] <gordonjcp> Frazzled: have you tried the USB stick on another machine?
[01:40] <ikonia> Frazzled: why would it be a software issue, 4 different versions of the distro are failing, 3 with specific warning about disk reads
[01:40] <Frazzled> Well...
[01:40] <TheUsD> what is a good channel for router/firewall support?
[01:40] <ikonia> Frazzled: apply logic, 3 fail with a complaint about disk, 1 with a more generic failure that could be caused by lack of disk
[01:41] <ikonia> Frazzled: where do you see the problem being....
[01:41] <Frazzled> Yes, I have. And it worked. But a failed installation sounds like a HDD like you said earlier...
[01:41] <Jeruvy> TheUsD you can try ##networking
[01:41] <gordonjcp> Frazzled: it wouldn't necessarily be reading from the drive it's installing onto...
[01:41] <TheUsD> Jeruvy: thank you
[01:41] <ikonia> thats the whole point, it reads from the palce it's installing from
[01:41] <Frazzled> That's what I was thinking...
[01:41] <Frazzled> These are two different USB sticks that I have tried.
[01:42] <gordonjcp> Frazzled: so, have you tried the USB stick on a different machine?
[01:42] <Frazzled> And one is verified to work.
[01:42] <TheUsD> Jeruvy: it takes me to ##overflow    same channel?
[01:42] <gordonjcp> TheUsD: you probably need to be registered on freenode
[01:42] <Frazzled> Yes, I have.
[01:42] <Jeruvy> TheUsD like gordonjcp said.
[01:42] <gordonjcp> Frazzled: and...?
[01:42] <ikonia> Frazzled: ok so you then go up a level and look at the usb controller it's plugged into, or down a level and the data on the drive
[01:43] <gordonjcp> ffff, this is like pulling teeth
[01:43] <gordonjcp> I'm off to bed
[01:43] <Frazzled> And it worked fine on the other machine.
[01:43] <ikonia> Frazzled: ok so you then go up a level and look at the usb controller it's plugged into, or down a level and the data on the drive
[01:43] <gordonjcp> Frazzled: right, then there is a fault with the machine you're installing onto
[01:43] <Frazzled> Sorry gordon, I explained this in detail twice, lol, but I can do it again.
[01:44] <Frazzled> I have come to that conclusion as well. I am merely here to see if anybody has any clue as to why Ubiquity to crash, aside from a hardware issue.
[01:44] <Frazzled> Ubiquity would crash*
[01:45] <ikonia> Frazzled why focus on Ubiquity when you are clearly looking at a hardware problem ?
[01:45] <ikonia> Frazzled: your other distros are spelling it out clean and simple for you
[01:45] <Frazzled> Because I don't know enough about the Linux installer to rule out the possibility of a software issue.
[01:45] <ikonia> Frazzled: again, apply logic
[01:45] <Frazzled> Hence, why I am here.
[01:45] <ikonia> Frazzled: 3 of them are saying "we can't read from teh disk...."
[01:46] <ikonia> Frazzled: a 4th is giving a genric error, which could be also caused by a lack of disk
[01:46] <ikonia> Frazzled: why are you not looking at why it can't read from the disk....
[01:46] <Frazzled> Well, I came so that more experienced fellows like yourself could tell me, "No, it's clearly a hardware issue." So thank you.
[01:46] <ikonia> why are you looking at Ubiquity
[01:47] <Frazzled> I am simply trying to understand why it crashed. You are saying it is a HDD issue, so now I have to go run more tests on the HDD...
[01:47] <ikonia> Frazzled: I'm not saying it's a hard disk error
[01:47] <ikonia> Frazzled: I'm saying it can't read from the hard disk
[01:48] <Frazzled> So would that be the installer or the HDD itself, or is that too difficult to determine?
[01:48] <ikonia> Frazzled: you have given us no information
[01:48] <ikonia> Frazzled: however, again, apply logic
[01:48] <ikonia> Frazzled: 4 distros have this problems
[01:48] <Frazzled> What kind of information should I provide?
[01:48] <ikonia> Frazzled: different versions
[01:49] <Frazzled> I am rather new to this IRC chat. I usually solve  my problems myself, but decided to give this a try.
[01:49] <ikonia> Frazzled: is it likely to be a bug in all distros or likely to be a problem with that hardware/interface ?
[01:49] <ikonia> Frazzled: have you searched the bug database to see if this is a known bug ?
[01:49] <Frazzled> I understand that it is a localized issue. I am trying to determine whether it is specific to the installer or the HDD.
[01:50] <ikonia> Frazzled: re-read what I just said
[01:51] <owahi> Hi.  My touchpad has stopped working and I can't figure out why.  I have run xinput and determined that it is detected and enabled but it still doesn't work.  any ideas?
[01:52] <Frazzled> Ok ikonia. May I ask what you are suggesting is the issue, specifically?
[01:52] <ikonia> Frazzled: that's what you need to do, but the symptom is clear "I can't read this disk"
[01:53] <ikonia> Frazzled: so why - is the data bad, is the disk bad, is the controller it sits on bad, is the controller it sits on supported, is there a known bug, have I searched for the bug,
[01:53] <Frazzled> Ok. So it sounds like a hardware issue.
[01:53] <ikonia> Frazzled: NO !
[01:53] <ikonia> Frazzled: the problem is it can't read the disk
[01:53] <ikonia> Frazzled: you have to work out why
[01:53] <ikonia> look at the suggestions I just made in 10 seconds of thought
[01:53] <ikonia> work through them
[01:54] <ikonia> apply logic, discount what you can PROVE works
[01:54] <Frazzled> But the installer has worked elsewhere, so wouldn't that suggest that the data comprising the installer is functional?
[01:54] <ikonia> and make sure it's "works in linux" not "I've tested it in windows"
[01:54] <ikonia> Frazzled: it suggests the data is good yes, not %100, but certainly leans that way
[01:55] <Frazzled> Right... so... the other suggestion is the disk being bad: which I can assume it is not. Again not 100%, but it seems that way based on the UBCD tests.
[01:55] <ikonia> again no
[01:55] <ikonia> Frazzled: think it through
[01:55] <Frazzled> Then the controller being supported. Are you referring to the USB controller?
[01:55] <ikonia> you've JUST told me the installer works on another PC, so you know the disk is "ok"
[01:55] <ikonia> Frazzled: come on - think about this
[01:56] <Frazzled> I meant HDD not Pendrive, sorry.
[01:56] <ikonia> Frazzled: 1.) verify the usb / installer on another PC -so you know it is STILL a good disk with good data
[01:56] <Frazzled> I guess you are using Pendrive = disk in this instance.
[01:56] <Frazzled> Sorry, my mixup.
[01:56] <ikonia> Frazzled: 2.) once that is done and you can have a reasonable ammount of confidence both a re good, move up a level and look at the next step in the chain,
[01:56] <ikonia> Frazzled: the interface between teh installers disk and the computer, the usb port
[01:57] <Frazzled> Well, the other computer with this "disk's" installation is still working without any issues, so far.
[01:57] <ikonia> Frazzled: then move up another level, is there any known bugs with this controller in linux - if so what are they
[01:57] <ikonia> Frazzled: are you kidding me ?
[01:57] <ikonia> Frazzled: you've used a pen drive to install an OS onto another computer, that computer is still working so the pen drive must still be "ok"
[01:57] <Frazzled> Ok, well, do you  have any ideas as to how I'd test if the USB controller is supported?
[01:58] <Frazzled> Is that faulty thinking?
[01:58] <ikonia> Frazzled: massive !!!
[01:58] <ikonia> Frazzled: you've installed from that pen drive
[01:58] <ikonia> the install worked
[01:58] <Frazzled> How so?
[01:58] <ikonia> is that current computer using the pendrive at all
[01:58] <ikonia> after the install
[01:58] <Frazzled> No.
[01:58] <ikonia> Frazzled: right - so why does that prove the pendrive is still good and the data is still good ?
[01:59] <ikonia> Frazzled: you're machine has not crashed....so ??? it's not using the disk in question
[01:59] <moyam01> how do i make iptables show me a list of TABLES (not chains)
[01:59] <GreekFreak> hi all
[01:59] <Frazzled> That isn't the only machine that the pendrive has installed to and both machines have worked.
[01:59] <ikonia> Frazzled: you're not listening
[02:00] <GreekFreak> I have the following rights to a directory (I am the owner) "drw-rw-rw-" yet when I try to cd into it, it says permission denied
[02:00] <ikonia> GreekFreak: it's actually missing x - you need execute to be able to "see" what's in the directory
[02:00] <ikonia> GreekFreak: add the excute to the owner
[02:01] <GreekFreak> ikonia, oh... thank you
[02:01] <Frazzled> But if the disk installs correctly 2/3 times, with the 1/3 not working also giving issues for other installations, shouldn't the issue be localized to the 1/3 machine?
[02:01] <ikonia> GreekFreak: it's a bit backward
[02:01] <ikonia> Frazzled: ok - so the first install doesn't work, but the second 2 do ?
[02:01] <Frazzled> The first worked, the second hasn't, the third has.
[02:01] <ikonia> Frazzled: so you've verified the disk AFTER you hit this problem and got a good install ?
[02:01] <Frazzled> Yes, on another machine.
[02:02] <ikonia> Frazzled: ok, so you can have a good level of confidence the disk is valid
[02:02] <Frazzled> Well... I have reason to discount it as the issue, so, I suppose, lol.
[02:03] <GreekFreak> ikonia, lol
[02:03] <Frazzled> So now, you mentioned the USB controller...
[02:04] <ikonia> Frazzled: you basically need to work backwards through the problem, you can discount physical media and data with a reasonable level of confidence, so apply logic, what's the next link in the chain
[02:05] <Tex_Nick> Linux continues to rule supercomputers ... http://www.zdnet.com/linux-continues-to-rule-supercomputers-7000016968/
[02:05] <ikonia> Tex_Nick: that is nothing to do with this channel, please don't post that sort of thing
[02:06] <Tex_Nick> ikonia: sorry posted to the wrong channel ... i'll watch it better
[02:06] <follower> what would be the best way to back up my data and perform a clean install?
[02:06] <ikonia> follower: get external drive, copy data off, boot install meddia, do clean install
[02:06] <Frazzled> Well, now I've stepped into the broad world of electronic components and all that entails as being the issue, lol.
[02:06] <follower> if i have no external drive?
[02:07] <ikonia> follower: buy one
[02:07] <Frazzled> lol
[02:07] <ikonia> follower: or use any spare disk media you have
[02:07] <Frazzled> follower: how many GB are we talking?
[02:07] <follower> around 25 gigs
[02:09] <Frazzled> ikonia: I've performed Memtest86 on the machine in question and it found errors, so I took out a stick and it passed. So, I've ruled out memory as being the issue. At this point, I think I'll install a Windows OS and see if it runs stably or not, lol.
[02:09] <ikonia> Frazzled: what good will that do ?
[02:09] <Frazzled> follower: do you have any DVDs?
[02:09] <ikonia> Frazzled: I'm going to stop progressing this now with you as it's clear you're not listening
[02:09] <ikonia> Frazzled: I've advised you to NOT validate this with windows as it proves nothing
[02:09] <Frazzled> ikonia: Well, what are you trying to tell me? lol
[02:10] <ikonia> Frazzled: "lol" - I don't find it funny, you're wasting my time.
[02:10] <Compy> Does ubuntu have any facility for emulating a USB device? For example, I have a USB serial device (arduino) that I want to record, unplug, and then "play back" into the system as if its connected.
[02:10] <ikonia> Frazzled: best of luck, taking it forward, and I suggest you actually pay attention to the next guy that helps
[02:10] <Frazzled> ikonia: I guess I am a bit dense. Just tell me what you want me to do.
[02:10] <follower> i have many dl dvds
[02:10] <ikonia> Compy: not native as part of ubuntu but there is a program that can do it
[02:11] <ikonia> Compy: I've seen it used, but I can't think of the name.
[02:11] <Frazzled> follower: Do you have any individual files that exceeds 4.5 GB?
[02:11] <Compy> ikonia: Well drag! I've been messing around with umockdev but it looks like it only supports storage devices.
[02:11] <tking> i imported some c++ project file to ubuntu from mac but when i run the on the terminal i see "permission denied" but when i create a new project i don't get it. I imported these via code blocks
[02:11] <follower> i have none
[02:12] <Frazzled> follower: Ok, then I suggest backing up your files to DVDs and then doing a clean install after that.
[02:12] <ikonia> Compy: I'm certain there is one for usb and I've seen it used in less than 6 months ago, so I know it's still valid
[02:12] <Frazzled> ikonia: Are you still mad at me? lol
[02:12] <follower> thanks Frazzled
[02:12] <ikonia> Frazzled: again "lol" - I don't find it funny.
[02:12] <Compy> ikonia: Yeah well that gives me some hope. I'll continue my googling and see what comes about. Many thanks for the response :)
[02:12] <Frazzled> follower: Np.
[02:12] <ikonia> Compy: I'm having a quick look myself,
[02:13] <ikonia> Compy: I'm sorry I can't remember it quickly
[02:13] <Compy> No sweat, I'm sure with the flurry of information that comes through here, it gets pushed out rather quickly.
[02:14] <ikonia> Compy: ooh there is also a dummy usb host module, have you looked at that
[02:14] <ikonia> Compy: (I've not tried it myself)
[02:14] <Compy> Got a link?
[02:14] <ikonia> Compy: looks likt it's part of the kernel
[02:14] <ikonia> Compy: http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/drivers/usb/gadget/dummy_hcd.c
[02:15] <Compy> oh, I also remember "gadget"
[02:15] <Compy> hmm
[02:15] <Frazzled> ikonia: Well, I am sorry if I am upsetting you. You suggested that I follow the next step in the chain, but the only thing after the USB controller is an electrical issue, such as a power deficiency, voltage instability, motherboard misregulation and other hardware issues that I don't know how to individually attend to.
[02:15] <ikonia> Frazzled: I explained many more steps earlier, thus backing up you are not listening/paying attention even further
[02:15] <Compy> ikonia: Thanks for the link! I'll read up on it and see if I can get it compiled and loaded.
[02:15] <ikonia> Frazzled: I suggest seeing if someone else in the channel will help
[02:16] <ikonia> Compy: just having a look for the other thing I remember
[02:16] <Compy> The more info the merrier, I appreciate you looking into it!
[02:16] <Frazzled> ikonia: I may not have seen it, I am sorry. Would you mind repeating?
[02:17] <ikonia> Compy I know the other one was good, hence why I'm trying to find it, the guy using it was very impressed
[02:17] <ikonia> Frazzled: I've gone over it multiple times, I'm not progressing this futher, sorry
[02:18] <Frazzled> ikonia: I am sorry for making this an undesirable experience for you. I appreciate you trying to help me.
[02:18] <ikonia> Frazzled: no problem.
[02:18] <Compy> yeah, people keep suggesting USB IP for it, which is not really in the realm of what I need to do, though I guess I could sift through their client source code to see how they're setting it up.
[02:18] <ikonia> Compy: just seen a few posts on lkml and the usb sub system lists that speak positive of gadget too
[02:19] <ikonia> Compy: http://www.linux-usb.org/gadget/
[02:19] <ikonia> Compy: again - not what I was looking for, but more detail on the earlier comment
[02:19] <Compy> ikonia: yep, much appreciated there. I'm still looking myself. :)
[02:21] <nerdtron> when i create a pool, what is a good pgnum?
[02:21] <nerdtron> ooppss sorry, wrong channel
[02:24] <Dayofswords> nerdtron: when making a pool, always be sure to maintain it to avoid algae and scum.
[02:25] <texla> oops
[02:26] <krz> topic should include latest version of ubuntu!
[02:27] <xlaire> hello
[02:27] <wilee-nilee> Heh it says 10.04 supported.
[02:28] <xlaire> how to mount my memory stick in ubuntu? i know its automatic
[02:28] <wilee-nilee> server is but not desktop
[02:28] <wilee-nilee> xlaire, memory stick, this a ram or usb?
[02:29] <xlaire> wilee-nilee, usb
[02:29] <tking> i imported some c++ project file to ubuntu from mac but when i run the on the terminal i see "permission denied" but when i create a new project i don't get it. I imported these via code blocks
[02:29] <xlaire> wilee-nilee, in terminal
[02:29] <wilee-nilee> xlaire, you can add it to fstab if you want a mount at boot or just leave it plugged in or plug it in. Will it not mount?
[02:29] <xlaire> no
[02:30] <xlaire> i unmount it
[02:30] <wilee-nilee> xlaire, That was 2 questions
[02:30] <xlaire> but i want to mount it again
[02:30] <xlaire> and i want to know the terminal command
[02:30] <xlaire> hehhe two question?
[02:30] <wilee-nilee> sudo /dev/sdXX /mnt  I believe
[02:30] <xlaire> ok let me try
[02:31] <xlaire> thx wilee-nilee
[02:31] <wilee-nilee> I believe that s wrong someone will tell you
[02:31] <chaotix> hi...   how do i make an application the default application, if it is NOT listed in the default applications in 'details'?
[02:31] <somsip> wilee-nilee: sudo mount /dev/sdXX /mnt (missing mount in wilee-nilee's)
[02:31] <chaotix> i forget, but i think there is a file somewhere
[02:31] <xlaire> how
[02:31] <xlaire> i see
[02:31] <xlaire> thx somsip
[02:32] <wilee-nilee> somsip, Thanks I rarely mount from the terminal, I forgot it.
[02:32] <somsip> wilee-nilee: np
[02:32] <xlaire> i think i understand now the command
[02:32] <Frazzled> ikonia: I re-read what you have said and realized I accidentally skipped over a few things. Sorry about that.
[02:32] <Frazzled> ikonia: But I won't ask you for more help, so don't worry about that.
[02:34] <xlaire> any tricks
[02:34] <xlaire> how to know what sdaxx number is my memory stick?
[02:35] <somsip> xlaire: sudo fdisk -l
[02:35] <xlaire> wow you're good
[02:35] <xlaire> thx man
[02:35] <somsip> xlaire: then you need to establish which one it is based on size
[02:35] <xlaire> thx somsip
[02:36] <somsip> xlaire: np
[02:43] <parallels> hello all
[02:43] <parallels> can anyone tell me how to install ubuntu on MacBook Pro?
[02:44] <wilee-nilee> !apple
[02:44] <phong_> hi guys
[02:44] <wilee-nilee> !mac
[02:44] <wilee-nilee> parallels, ^^^
[02:44] <parallels> yes wilee-nilee
[02:45] <wilee-nilee> parallels, The bot has a link for you.
[02:45] <parallels> ^^^
[02:46] <parallels> wilee-nilee how to download the driver to play dvd?
[02:47] <chaotix> where is the file located with the default applications to open files?
[02:54] <SuperLag> Is there a way to roll back to a previous version of a package you upgraded? In this case, it's google-chrome-stable
[02:54] <DHR> just bumped into https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-terminal/+bug/980710.  Very confusing: a black-on-black terminal looks like it isn't working at all.
[02:54] <SuperLag> As much as I can't stand Flash, I still need it... and today's update to version 28 broke Flash.
[02:57] <nimbiotics> I am using Ubuntu Studio 13.04; How do I install the Startup Application Manager?? TIA!
[03:02] <somsip> SuperLag: give me an example of a site that isn't working - I'll test on my v28
[03:06] <nerdtron> nimbiotics: is there no software manager in ubuntu studio?
[03:07] <loganlee> how to use ubuntu to browse the internet?
[03:07] <nimbiotics> nerdtron: yes, but I cant finf any application for "Startup Application Manager" or "Startup Application"
[03:07] <nimbiotics> nerdtron: do you know what that application is called?
[03:08] <yva> hey, is there a way to check whether fstab mounted a partition correctly? the disk was empty in the first place
[03:09] <somsip> yva: dmesg should have an error if there is a problem
[03:09] <loganlee> !internet
[03:10] <loganlee> !epiphany
[03:10] <loganlee> !firefox
[03:10] <somsip> loganlee: you come here often with very basic questions. Can you explain exatly what you are trying to do on the internet, given that you are already connected to the internet
[03:11] <yva> somsip, no errors when I grep 'sda' so I guess everything is ok?
[03:11] <somsip> yva: it's a fair guess. Why do you suspect an error?
[03:13] <yva> somsip, nope it's not. it's in fact giving me an error when I try to copy data (not enough space)
[03:14] <somsip> yva: output of df -h ?
[03:14] <yva> somsip the line in fstab is UUID=XXX /data    ext4   users,noauto     0      0
[03:15] <nerdtron> nimbiotics: i'm sorry, i'm using kde, and kde has its own manager
[03:15] <yva> somsip, yep it doesn't show up when I do df -h
[03:15] <somsip> yva: seems fair but I'm no fstab expert. Output of sudo fdisk -l ?
[03:15] <tking> i imported some c++ project file to ubuntu from mac but when i run the on the terminal i see "permission denied" but when i create a new project i don't get it. I imported these via code blocks
[03:15] <nerdtron> nimbiotics: ubuntu studio is XFCE right?
[03:16] <D-coy> m4v o7
[03:17] <hikenboot> hello I easily got vnc server working on ubuntu 13.04 desktop version but am not having any luck getting it running on the server 12.04 version all I get is a grey screen it doesnt seem to want to load the gnome session I was curious as to how the desktop 13.04 works in this area I find no startup script under the name vncserver and no ~/.vnc directory
[03:18] <hikenboot> what file runs it under /etc/rc0.d .. /etc/rc6.d/ ?
[03:18]  * payals tests
[03:19] <somsip> !test | payals
[03:20] <nimbiotics> nerdtron: KDE
[03:20] <yva> somsip, everythign looks normal. just tried to change the tabs and reboot but it still doesn't show up
[03:20] <xlaire> .
[03:21] <loganlee> .users
[03:21] <nimbiotics> nerdtron: I'm using KDE also. Good thing is with the help from SunStar @ #ubuntustudio; I already found it under launcher -> settings -> settings manager -> Session and Startup Manager. Thanks a lot anyways!
[03:21] <loganlee> .user
[03:21] <somsip> yva: so it is present and working, but not auto-mounted? Can you mount it manually? Any dmesg errors when you try to do that>
[03:22] <yva> somsip, when I mount it manually I cannot copy to it
[03:24] <somsip> yva: And is this the 'no room' message? Maybe it's something hardware on the drive. Is it old or dodgy?
[03:24] <loganlee> so......
[03:25] <yva> somsip, ok I now got it to work (using defaults instead of auto,user) but I don't have permissions
[03:25] <yva> to copy
[03:26] <loganlee> sudo cp
[03:26] <somsip> yva: is that when you mounted manually or from fstab and a reboot> so your fstab is now just 'defaults' and not '
[03:27] <somsip> yva: ..not 'user,noauto'?
[03:27] <yva> yep, it's mounted as root.
[03:27] <Nautilus__> I've booted to a 12.04 LTS Live CD and would like to save some of the files from the XP HD. Is there a DVD burner included in 12.04 LTS? Where to find it?
[03:27] <yva> from fstab changing 'user,noauto' to defaults
[03:27] <somsip> yva: so if your fstab is fixed, maybe unount and 'mount /dev/sda' might pick it up from fstab
[03:27] <somsip> *umount
[03:28] <yva> nope, I just rebooted. It works but it's mounted as root
[03:28] <loganlee> chroot
[03:28] <somsip> loganlee: do you have a support question or will this just be more of your usual behaviour?
[03:29] <somsip> yva: what permissions did /data have before mounting? I'm not sure where I'm going with this, just trying to ask questions that make sense...
[03:29] <akurilin> Quick question: if I don't see eth0 under ifconfig, does that mean the ethernet controller isn't detected or that the drivers aren't there?
[03:29] <yva> no sure, thanks for trying
[03:30] <loganlee> akurilin: driver not loaded i think
[03:30] <yva> should I specify uid & gid?
[03:31] <akurilin> loganlee, do you have any advice for how to deal with this situation? Is there a general approach?
[03:31] <lotuspsychje> is there any way to hide a /home/user completely so another user cant even see the folder?
[03:31] <loganlee> akurilin: maybe lsmod
[03:31] <somsip> yva: You should set the permissions for what you want final access to be. Eg root:users and 775
[03:33] <yva> somsip, oups something is going out of control. just have bad swap file entry when I turn it on
[03:33] <Nautilus__> does 12.04 LTS have a DVD burner built in? I'm not use to Unity at all, unsure where to look.
[03:34] <yva> msg at startup: "panic occured, switching back to text console"
[03:34] <loganlee> Nautilus__: k3b?
[03:34] <somsip> yva: so...have you been trying to write to a disk formatted as swap?
[03:34] <Nautilus__> loganlee: where to look for it?
[03:35] <yva> nope, just added uid and gid
[03:35] <somsip> Nautilus__: xfburn is a fairly small install. Or brasero. k3b uses KDE so carries a lot of extra dependencies
[03:36] <Nautilus__> somsip: It's a Live CD environment, can I install things such as that ?
[03:37] <somsip> Nautilus__: yes, but they will be lost on reboot
[03:37] <Nautilus__> somsip: where do they go? just ram?
[03:38] <somsip> Nautilus__: long time since I used live cd. I believe the filesystem is mounted into a tmpfs in ram, so they will be installed there
[03:38] <Nautilus__> ok, thanks
[03:38] <Tex_Nick> Nautilus__: if you can try a persistent USB
[03:38] <Nautilus__> somsip: oh, add via Software Center?
[03:39] <Nautilus__> Tex_Nick: would that have to be a blank stick?
[03:39] <somsip> Nautilus__: I don't use it, but I imagine it woudl work
[03:42] <Tex_Nick> Nautilus__: depends on size if stick ... and available memory ... blank would be easiest
[03:44] <yva> somsip, ok it's now working. I had to do another chown on /data
[03:45] <somsip> yva: glad you got it sorted
[03:45] <yva> another question: the global menu don't seem to work for a number of programs (eg gedit). any idea why?
[03:45] <jdownloadhelpplz> evening all.
[03:45] <somsip> yva: I don't use it so no idea
[03:46] <jdownloadhelpplz> i'm needing help with jdownloader on 13.04... anyone with experience or java/ubuntu expertise?
[03:48] <jdownloadhelpplz> i've had to re-install jdownloader after updating to 13.04 and now my dl file is gone :@
[03:48] <jdownloadhelpplz> everything else carried over... not sure why jdownloader failed on me.
[03:49] <jdownloadhelpplz> which is strange since i remember opening a file from that folder but after i rebooted it was gone.  the filename is still on my recently opened documents list.
[03:53] <yva> nobody for help with the global menu not working/being enabled in gedit?
[03:53] <jdownloadhelpplz> i'm not sure there's anyone really here tbh, yva
[03:54] <ur0pl> i try to install ubuntu on my new gigabyte ud5 motherboard and when it installs it cannot mount my usb drive... it says "usb 2-4: nbew  high-speed usb device number 4 using ehci_hcd"  "device not accepting address 4, error -32... then it goes to device 5
[03:54] <loganlee> yva: try alt-f2
[03:55] <ur0pl> it says "unable to find a medium containing a live file system" BUT i am booting off of a installation disk
[03:55] <ur0pl> wtf
[03:55] <yva> loganlee, I don't see how this would help
[03:56] <ur0pl> =(
[03:57] <ur0pl> i didn't have this issue until i got this new motherboard
[03:57] <ur0pl> does it not like that my motherbaord has usb 3 and stuff?
[03:58] <wilee-nilee> ur0pl, Please do not swear in the channel or use acronyms doing so.
[03:58] <ur0pl> i am sorry if i offended you
[03:58] <ur0pl> i did not mean to do so
[03:58] <ur0pl> i am an idiot
[03:59] <S_sounds> that was weird
[04:00] <S_sounds> sorry - had irc issue.  does anyone know how a folder might be lost during an update install?
[04:00] <akurilin> What do you do when a network card is "UNCLAIMED" according to lshw?
[04:01] <wheatthin> akurilin, module not claiming a device?
[04:01] <wheatthin> I think that's what he meant
[04:02] <S_sounds> i updated, booted, i had a folder, was able to access a file, then after a reboot the folder and file was gone, although the file name is still listed in the media player.
[04:02] <wheatthin> S_sounds, hmm was it on the desktop?
[04:02] <cyrano_> I currently have sound, however no sound devices are showing up in the sound manager. So I am not able to change the volume or mute. While watching things in VLC the sound has no issues, however if I watch a youtube video th sound is very choppy yet the video isn't.
[04:03] <akurilin> wheaties, I guess so? I'm not sure what it means. The effect is that the network card isn't showing up at all under ifconfig.
[04:03] <S_sounds> it was in the home folder i made.  I want to say it was the update, but my other folders i made in home are still there.
[04:03] <wheatthin> <-- tis wheatthin :)
[04:04] <akurilin> wheatthin, sorry!! :)
[04:04] <wheatthin> akurilin, is the module loading?
[04:04] <akurilin> wheatthin, I'd love to check that, where do I start?
[04:04] <S_sounds> even more confusing, it was a 3rd party app, so i thought maybe the update got rid of it, but after installing other 3rd party apps their folders magically sprung back up.
[04:04] <wheatthin> akurilin, I believe   lsmod
[04:04] <S_sounds> like calibre found its files back.
[04:05] <anthony123124> hello there
[04:05] <wheatthin> S_sounds, odd
[04:05] <wheaties466> im that asshole, sorry guys
[04:05] <akurilin> wheatthin, which specific module should I be looking for?
[04:05] <wheatthin> akurilin, what device are you trying to locate?
[04:05] <S_sounds> if it's just gone i'd be at peace with it, but the fact that i was able to open it, then lost after a reboot and install... just confuses me.
[04:05] <akurilin> wheatthin, an ethernet controller
[04:06] <mn2010> #ubuntu is busy as ever.
[04:06] <wheatthin> akurilin, yes, but this ethernet controller has a name/model
[04:06] <akurilin> wheatthin, Intel I217LM
[04:07] <utusan> akurilin: best to do lspci first to id your controller
[04:07] <S_sounds> it's REALLY confusing because when i booted after my initial install all my firefox tabs and chromium tabs opened, after reboot, they were back to home pages.
[04:07] <utusan> ops, never mind
[04:07] <S_sounds> so something really screwy happened w/o my knowing.
[04:08] <akurilin> utusan, It's at 00:19.p Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation Device 153a (rev 04)
[04:08] <utusan> akurilin: do lsmod | grep ether
[04:08] <wheatthin> well then module is loaded
[04:08] <akurilin> utusan, that return nothing unfortunately
[04:08] <wheatthin> lsmod | grep intel
[04:09] <akurilin> wheatthin, a bunch of hits, but all for snd_hda_intel
[04:09] <ur0pl> i try to install ubuntu on my new gigabyte ud5 motherboard and when it installs it cannot mount my usb drive... it says "usb 2-4: nbew  high-speed usb device number 4 using ehci_hcd"  "device not accepting address 4, error -32... then it goes to device 5
[04:09] <ur0pl>  it says "unable to find a medium containing a live file system" BUT i am booting off of a installation disk
[04:10] <S_sounds> it's not like ubuntu to suddenly lose a folder/file that was there before.... i've done this before and it never deleted a hard file.
[04:10] <wheatthin> S_sounds, did you try finding it in the terminal?
[04:10] <S_sounds> nautilus but not terminal.
[04:10] <wheatthin> akurilin, well I know for sure it's loading
[04:10] <wheatthin> yes I knows this.. but if it's there in the terminal then you have it hidden
[04:12] <S_sounds> never had to find a file through terminal - wheatthin:  % locate "qqqq" (w/o quotes) is that good?
[04:12] <wheatthin> S_sounds, if you've recently updatedb
[04:13] <S_sounds> i have.
[04:13] <wheatthin> then yes
[04:13] <wheatthin> as long as it's your file name is qqqq
[04:14] <wheatthin> akurilin, yeah the net is returning that to be a snd device
[04:14] <S_sounds> sweet will get back to you.
[04:14] <wheatthin> akurilin, paste me the output for lsmod
[04:14] <wheatthin> pastebinit rather
[04:15] <akurilin> wheatthin, yep, just a sec
[04:16] <S_sounds> whoa whoa whoa... wheatthin i know you're busy but check this: terminal found the files... but the folders aren't there in nautilus. o.O
[04:16] <loganlee> ..
[04:17] <wheatthin> S_sounds, try moving them to a different folder
[04:18] <akurilin> wheatthin, http://pastebin.com/QxqaAifc
[04:18] <wheatthin> akurilin, I believe it's a realtek usb dongle? or built in ethernet?
[04:19] <akurilin> Built-in ethernet into this specific motherboard http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Q87ME/#specifications
[04:19] <akurilin> *in
[04:20] <S_sounds> O.O... terminal says file doesn't exist even though it just found the file. :|
[04:21] <distilledchaos> i've been trying to get my displaylink adapter to play nice with ubuntu 13.04
[04:21] <distilledchaos> and i think i need xserver-xorg-video-displaylink
[04:21] <distilledchaos> but it's not available from apt-get for 13.04
[04:21] <jrib> S_sounds: have you put your exact input and output in a pastebin?
[04:21] <S_sounds> working on in jrib
[04:22] <distilledchaos> so i guess i should try to build from source?
[04:22] <yva> nobody to help get the globalmenu etup?
[04:22] <S_sounds> wheatthin: jrib: check this O.O http://pastebin.com/vLrqNHXL
[04:22] <akurilin> wheatthin, forgot to inline you, oops. Again: Built-in ethernet into this specific motherboard http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Q87ME/#specifications
[04:22] <wheatthin> akurilin, Hmm ask ubuntu didn't come up with an answer yet either ;/ I'm thinking you'd have to recompile kernel or install a module.. someone else might have more info ;/
[04:23] <tucemiux> !gnome
[04:23] <jrib> S_sounds: ls -l /home/sibilance/.jdownloader/downloads/0614.wmv
[04:23] <akurilin> wheatthin, any suggestion for where to continue the search in these situations?
[04:23] <akurilin> wheatthin, ubuntu forums?
[04:23] <tucemiux> is gnome the default is 13.04??
[04:23] <distilledchaos> unfortunately it looks like xserver-xorg-video-displaylink requires the xf86Resources.h header file
[04:23] <distilledchaos> tucemiux: negative
[04:23] <wheatthin> akurilin, yeah unfortunately ;/
[04:23] <distilledchaos> well sorta
[04:24] <distilledchaos> unity is
[04:24] <tucemiux> distilledchaos, then unity is still the default on 13.04 or XFCE ?
[04:24] <S_sounds> ls: cannot access <...> no such file or directory jrib
[04:24] <distilledchaos> yeah
[04:24] <tucemiux> all right thanks! im going t install gnome then
[04:25] <jrib> S_sounds: then the file does not exist.  Locate gives you results based on databases that were created in the past
[04:25] <distilledchaos> yesss
[04:25] <jrib> S_sounds: you can run « sudo updatedb » and try your locate command again if you wish
[04:25] <S_sounds> oh.  (._. )
[04:25] <distilledchaos> this has been useful for me, jrib: http://www.webupd8.org/2012/10/how-to-get-complete-gnome-3-desktop-in.html
[04:25] <akurilin> wheatthin, no worries, thank you so much for looking into this.
[04:25] <tucemiux> how do I install gnome  on ubuntu? :-(
[04:26] <jrib> distilledchaos: why are you sending me this?
[04:26] <S_sounds> jrib... ty.
[04:26] <reisio> tucemiux: install gnome-shell
[04:26] <reisio> tucemiux: you already have most of GNOME
[04:26] <S_sounds> i guess the file is gone :/
[04:26] <distilledchaos> woops
[04:26] <distilledchaos> sent to wrong person
[04:26] <tucemiux> reisio, no i dont, gnome never crashed the way it is doing it and quite often
[04:26] <distilledchaos> tucemiux that url was for you: http://www.webupd8.org/2012/10/how-to-get-complete-gnome-3-desktop-in.html
[04:26] <tucemiux> i never used thunar!
[04:27] <tucemiux> distilledchaos, is gnome3 stable though????
[04:27] <reisio> tucemiux: you could be using Xubuntu I s'pose
[04:27] <reisio> tucemiux: not as stable as GNOME 2 had been
[04:27] <tucemiux> reisio, no, im using ubuntustudio
[04:27] <distilledchaos> tucemiux has been for me
[04:27] <tucemiux> distilledchaos, i dont want to go for gnome 3, I want stability with gnome 2 (classic)
[04:28] <distilledchaos> okay
[04:28] <wheatthin> gnome classic is still gnome 3 isn't it?
[04:28] <tucemiux> o.O
[04:28] <reisio> wheatthin: yes
[04:28] <distilledchaos> anybody got any ideas about xserver-xorg-video-displaylink and xf86Resources.h?
[04:28] <reisio> tucemiux: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/pureubuntu plus sudo apt-get install gnome-shell should do you
[04:28] <reisio> distilledchaos: ideas?
[04:28] <DreadKnight> hello, the record audio software is not usable for some reason; I did changed some input settings in order to make that work with some desktop recorders, but still haven't managed to this the audio one working, while audacity works fine, any suggestions?
[04:29] <bigroomsmallhous> i reccomend linux 12 (lisa) but that is later
[04:29] <distilledchaos> reisio: i'm trying to get my displaylink adapter to play nice with 13.04
[04:29] <distilledchaos> which as far as i can tell requires xserver-xorg-video-displaylink
[04:29] <distilledchaos> which isn't available via apt-get for 13.04
[04:29] <distilledchaos> so i'm trying to build from source
[04:29] <distilledchaos> which requires said header file
[04:30] <tucemiux> reisio, i dont want pure ubuntu, i want whatever it is I have with gnome2
[04:30] <wheatthin> distilledchaos, I'd look into what the newer release of xserver-xorg brings you
[04:30] <reisio> tucemiux: GNOME 2 is unmaintained
[04:30] <wheatthin> tucemiux, you can get gnome 3 classic which looks and acts like gnome 2
[04:31] <reisio> tucemiux: you could try http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/download#ubuntu but I'm not sure I'd recommend it
[04:31] <wheatthin> you just have to install gnome 3 first and select classic via xsession
[04:31] <reisio> tucemiux: Xfce is the sanest choice for people who want something like GNOME 2
[04:31] <distilledchaos> wheatthin: not quite sure what you mean
[04:32] <wheatthin> distilledchaos, when you install gnome 3 shell, it comes with gnome classic which looks and acts just like gnome 2
[04:32] <S_sounds> well wheatthin and jrib, thanks.  it didn't work out well for me but now i know what really happened.
[04:32] <tucemiux> reisio, I want ***stability***, xfce is crashing my pc
[04:32] <zugaaz> how do i install the official nvidia geforce driver in ubuntu
[04:32] <reisio> tucemiux: no it isn't
[04:32] <zugaaz> ?
[04:32] <reisio> tucemiux: Ubuntu is
[04:32] <S_sounds> night all.
[04:32] <reisio> zugaaz: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[04:32] <reisio> S_sounds: night
[04:33] <distilledchaos> wheatthin: not quite sure what you mean in your comment about xserver-xorg
[04:33] <distilledchaos> not gnome 3 classic
[04:34] <wheatthin> newer versions of xserver might give you what you want instead of compiling something that didn't come in the ubuntu repos or ppa's
[04:34] <tucemiux> reisio, all i know is that nowadays im using XFCE and the thing is crashing but Ill use the software installer, i dont think i want to install mate or find out what it is
[04:34] <reisio> tucemiux: MATE is the only remotely maintained version of GNOME 2
[04:35] <reisio> though efforts to make GNOME 3 _behave/appear_ like GNOME 2 are ongoing
[04:36] <utusan> akurilin: you should use e1000e drivers
[04:36] <zugaaz> i have the nvidia.run file
[04:36] <wheatthin> yup best linux compadible
[04:36] <zugaaz> but i don't know how to install it
[04:37] <tucemiux> reisio, i just used the software center and installed what they have there, hopefully my machine will then be stable otherwise I'll be forced to restart from scratch with 12.04
[04:37] <wheatthin> zugaaz, umm that's not supported here
[04:37] <reisio> tucemiux: I doubt it will be; like I said, Xfce is perfectly stable, so it's probably some other aspect of your distro acting up
[04:37] <wheatthin> zugaaz, as it's a proprietary driver
[04:37] <reisio> perhaps the extras that ubuntu studio installs
[04:39] <z0> ubottu:
[04:39] <akurilin> utusan, what's the idea behind them? Are they supposed to work across most Intel ethernet controllers?
[04:40] <utusan> akurilin: not sure but try modprobe e1000
[04:40] <myth> in #gentoo-chat
[04:40] <myth> typo
[04:40] <wheatthin> tis #ubuntu :)
[04:41] <suore> Hi Why after instalation Nvidis drivers, during booting i cannot see ubuntu Logo, with 4  litter circles look like big dots, only i can see text Ubuntu 13.04, wih small dots.....
[04:41] <suore> ??
[04:43] <myth> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0
[04:43] <wheatthin> !ot | myth
[04:43] <distilledchaos> alright this has gone nowhere
[04:43] <distilledchaos> pretty sure libraries are not the right version...
[04:43] <distilledchaos> gettings things like too many arguments when trying to make
[04:44] <holstein> distilledchaos: confirm that they are incorrect, or not
[04:44] <wheatthin> distilledchaos, making them with sourced packages outside ubuntu repo's aren't supported
[04:44] <wheatthin> and I might add aren't recommended
[04:44] <holstein> ^^ that too. doing that means that you are OK going out on your own, support wise
[04:45] <distilledchaos> well i don't see any other options
[04:45] <wheatthin> distilledchaos, try a ppa that offers newer stuff
[04:46] <holstein> distilledchaos: the xswat ppa? you have that installed?
[04:46] <distilledchaos> nope.  i take it i should?
[04:46] <holstein> i like ppa's, becuase its easier to remove the individual packages, or purge the ppa if things go wrong
[04:46] <holstein> distilledchaos: its a way to get the newer packages that may or may not "fix" whatever issue you are having
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[04:47] <FloodBot1> ur0pl: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[04:47] <AlexLikeRock> source : http://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html
[04:48] <AlexLikeRock> Ubuntu's trademark policy prohibits commercial redistribution of exact copies of Ubuntu, denying an important freedom.
[04:48] <AlexLikeRock> As of October 2012, Ubuntu sends personal data about users' searches to a server belonging to Canonical, which sends back ads to buy things from Amazon.
[04:48] <AlexLikeRock>  This does not, strictly speaking, affect whether Ubuntu is free software, but it is a violation of users' privacy. It also encourages buying from Amazon, a company associated with DRM as well as mistreatment of workers, authors and publishers.
[04:48] <AlexLikeRock> This adware is one of the rare occasions in which a free software developer persists in keeping a malicious feature in its version of a program.
[04:48] <holstein> AlexLikeRock: you have something support related you need help with?
[04:49] <ur0pl> sorry, i went to antoher room, and something happened
[04:49] <ur0pl> something hit my keyboard
[04:49] <AlexLikeRock> ubuntu its a spy ?
[04:49] <AlexLikeRock> ubuntu go to evil
[04:49] <AlexLikeRock> now its friend of Micro$oft
[04:50] <holstein> AlexLikeRock: ? ubuntu is free.. you can try it live and see if you like/want it. you can remove what you are linking above.. do you have a support question?
[04:50] <distilledchaos> x-swat doesn't have anything for displaylink
[04:50] <ur0pl> Ubuntu install recognizes and can "ennumerate" my two usb "3.0/2.0" but it cannot do that with my 8 usb "2.0/1.0"  slots on my gigabyte ud5 board
[04:50] <AlexLikeRock> hoschi,   Ubuntu's trademark policy prohibits commercial redistribution of exact copies of Ubuntu, denying an important freedom
[04:50] <ur0pl> i do not understadn
[04:50] <holstein> AlexLikeRock: you can redistribute what you want.. its all open. but, ubuntu is ubuntu
[04:51] <AlexLikeRock> what about the  " freedom."
[04:51] <AlexLikeRock> ?
[04:51] <holstein> AlexLikeRock: if you dont have a support question, please go to the offtopic channel
[04:51] <wheatthin> distilledchaos, what release do you have?
[04:51] <holstein> AlexLikeRock: canonnical is free to do what they are doing. and you are free to use it, or do *exatly* as ubuntu is doing, and make your own
[04:52] <distilledchaos> 13.04
[04:52] <distilledchaos> xserver-xorg-video-displaylink is only available for 12.04 and 12.10
[04:52] <distilledchaos> as far as i'm aware, that's the package i need
[04:52] <holstein> distilledchaos: then you'll need to use 12.04
[04:52] <holstein> !12.04
[04:52] <AlexLikeRock>  policy prohibits commercial redistribution of exact copies of Ubuntu
[04:52] <holstein> its still supported
[04:52] <distilledchaos> yep.  unfortunately, it doesn't have drivers for newer hardware i need
[04:53] <distilledchaos> 13.04 is the oldest version that supports most of the hardware
[04:53] <holstein> AlexLikeRock: so? whats the question? are you wanting to make a copy of ubunt and rebrand it? you can always ask for permission. but you can just build what you want from scratch
[04:53] <holstein> distilledchaos: sounds like you'll have to make some decisions... maybe dual boot
[04:54] <distilledchaos> one piece of hardware is for the display, 13.04 required, and the displaylink doesn't work on it
[04:54] <distilledchaos> if i dual boot i don't get dual monitors...
[04:54] <wheatthin> distilledchaos, check xserver-xorg-core
[04:54] <distilledchaos> for what...?
[04:54] <wheatthin> newer versions..
[04:54] <holstein> i would add that ppa i mentioned as well, and test
[04:54] <AlexLikeRock> holstein,  i can not do a  project   with ubuntu , like tails , black track , etc, etc
[04:54] <distilledchaos> of something related to displaylink?
[04:54] <wheatthin> distilledchaos, yup
[04:55] <holstein> AlexLikeRock: whats your question?
[04:55] <holstein> AlexLikeRock: back track is not ubuntu.. it might use ubuntu as the base
[04:55] <AlexLikeRock> now
[04:56] <xangua> !ot | AlexLikeRock holstein
[04:56] <SuperLag> somsip: sorry, went away... now I'm back. plus.google.com is one
[04:56] <ur0pl> Ubuntu recognizes and can "ennumerate" my two usb "3.0/2.0" but it cannot do that with my 8 usb "2.0/1.0"  slots on my gigabyte ud5 board. I do not understand, i thought ubuntu would be up to day with technology
[04:57] <holstein> ur0pl: i would run lspci and see what the hardware id's are.. i would be open to the fact that not all hardware is able to be supported out of the box by linux
[04:57] <distilledchaos> i don't understand how to check xserver-xorg-core
[04:58] <Ben64> distilledchaos: what hardware do you have that is unsupported in 12.04?
[04:58] <wheatthin> distilledchaos, which version is currently installed, and check which is currently available as ppa
[04:58] <distilledchaos> Ben64: apple hardware >.>
[04:58] <distilledchaos> i got a macbook pro as a work computer
[04:58] <distilledchaos> and i need to dual boot ubuntu
[04:59] <holstein> !macbook
[04:59] <Ben64> distilledchaos: what specifically though? you can get the 13.04 kernel in 12.04
[04:59] <distilledchaos> hmmm
[04:59] <distilledchaos> thunderbolt
[04:59] <distilledchaos> for display
[04:59] <distilledchaos> wouldn't 12.10 work too?
[04:59] <distilledchaos> xserver-xorg-video-displaylink is supported there was well, i believe
[04:59] <Ben64> you might want to try the new kernel with 12.04 then, dunno if thats a xorg thing or a kernel thing
[04:59] <Ben64> 12.04 is supported till 2017
[05:00] <distilledchaos> i'm pretty sure it's a kernel thing
[05:00] <holstein> 12.04 is LTS.. i would use it instead of 12.10 if i had a choice
[05:00] <holstein> distilledchaos: confirm that it is, or not...
[05:00] <distilledchaos> i don't need lts
[05:00] <Ben64> 12.10 is supported for... a while but 13.04 stops in January 2014, so ... yeah
[05:00] <Ben64> well if you want it to continue working properly, 12.04 is the best choice
[05:00] <ur0pl> holstein, it is gigabyte ud5, it is a very popular board
[05:00] <Ben64> as long as it works with the newer kernel*
[05:01] <distilledchaos> how would i go about using the newer kernel with 12.04?
[05:01] <holstein> ur0pl: sure.. but he popularity is not the key.. ubuntu cant ask for support for it. it might need to have information or support from the vendor in order to work properly..
[05:01] <distilledchaos> also, why is it a better choice than 12.10, besides long-term support?
[05:01] <Ben64> thats the reason
[05:01] <holstein> distilledchaos: because 12.10 is EOL *much* sooner
[05:02] <distilledchaos> i just need it to last the summer
[05:02] <ur0pl> holstein, does ubuntu have better hardware support than xubuntu/ and this might work on that?
[05:02] <ur0pl> or maybe i can try 13.04 instead of 12.04?
[05:02] <Ben64> why try to upgrade to 13.04, which doesn't support what you want, when 12.04 works till 2017
[05:02] <holstein> ur0pl: xubuntu *is* ubuntu.. same kernel..
[05:02] <reisio> ur0pl: and even GNU/Linux, all distros have the same hardware support, essentially
[05:02] <ur0pl> maybe 13.04 instead of 12.04 will support it
[05:02] <Ben64> what kernel do you have running? (uname -a)
[05:02] <Ben64> ur0pl: ^
[05:02] <holstein> ur0pl: the versions can matter.. 12.04 instead of 13.04..
[05:03] <distilledchaos> anyway, how do i get the newer kernel with 12.04?
[05:03] <Ben64> i think it does it by default on new installs of 12.04
[05:03] <ur0pl> holstein, i bet i could try to change a bios setting to fix this
[05:03] <distilledchaos> huh
[05:03] <ur0pl> maybe it is uefi?
[05:03] <Ben64> !info linux-generic-lts-raring precise
[05:05] <xangua> Ben64: last time i tried that lts-raring in 12.04 an update came and uninstalled xorg lol...then decided to upgrade to raring :)
[05:06] <Ben64> :o
[05:06] <Ben64> there is also linux-image-hwe-generic
[05:06] <Ben64> !info linux-image-hwe-generic precise
[05:06] <Ben64> hmm... still 3.2
[05:07] <jony_easyrider> how can be checked when was started phpmyadmin server or to show the running time?
[05:07] <holstein> distilledchaos: is this all for dual head support?
[05:07] <distilledchaos> pretty much
[05:07] <Ben64> jony_easyrider: phpmyadmin isn't a server, its more like a web page...
[05:07] <holstein> distilledchaos: you shouldnt assume that that is a function that can be implemented on that hardware with drivers in linux
[05:08] <distilledchaos> for now i just want to get the displaylink adapter recognized
[05:08] <distilledchaos> i'll deal with dual head support later
[05:08] <jony_easyrider> Ben64, ok, it would be similar help if I could check if cron it executes it's stored commands or not
[05:08] <holstein> distilledchaos: you have no graphics?
[05:09] <distilledchaos> holstein: ...?  i do
[05:09] <holstein> distilledchaos: im just not clear on what the issue is.. you have graphics on the internal GPU on a macbook? and that is "displaylink" ?
[05:10] <distilledchaos> displaylink is a type of usb display adapter
[05:10] <distilledchaos> basically, this is my issue: http://askubuntu.com/questions/289018/how-do-to-install-the-display-drivers-for-a-displaylink-usb-monitor-on-13-04
[05:10] <distilledchaos> but it's never been solved
[05:11] <holstein> distilledchaos: so, that is for dual head, then, correct?
[05:11] <wheatthin> distilledchaos, in osx does it act as intel and nvidia?
[05:12] <holstein> distilledchaos: according to what you linked, i might try the fedora live CD mentioned and make note of all the versions of everything relevant
[05:12] <jeff____> i'm using a regular version of g xchat and it doesn't give me an option to connect to a server other than the ones listed.  Does anyone know how to do that?
[05:12] <distilledchaos> holstein: one step at a time, just trying to get the adapter recognized first
[05:12] <distilledchaos> which is part of that question
[05:13] <distilledchaos> wheatthin: don't know?  i would imagine it switches between each depending on power
[05:13] <holstein> distilledchaos: and, you tried the xswat ppa?
[05:13] <distilledchaos> yes
[05:13] <holstein> distilledchaos: no luck?
[05:13] <wheatthin> distilledchaos, those still aren't supported by linux I don't think
[05:13] <distilledchaos> wheatthin: what, displaylink?
[05:13] <user_> anyone know how to save al live form to google drive
[05:14] <distilledchaos> holstein: i'm guessing i'd need to restart to see if it helped?
[05:14] <wheatthin> it's more than that
[05:14] <distilledchaos> wheatthin ?
[05:14] <holstein> distilledchaos: so, you havent tried the pacakges from the ppa then?
[05:14] <distilledchaos> i upgraded after adding the ppa
[05:14] <distilledchaos> but
[05:14] <distilledchaos> haven't installed any packages
[05:14] <holstein> distilledchaos: thats what i would do.. try the PPA.. sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade .reboot and try it
[05:14] <distilledchaos> i'll reboot then
[05:14] <distilledchaos> did the first two steps
[05:15] <holstein> distilledchaos: then, i would load that fedora live CD and see what they have in there by default
[05:15] <distilledchaos> k
[05:15] <wheatthin> it acts differently than displaylink
[05:17] <akurilin2> wheatthin, utusan, apparently the new e1000e drivers seem to do the trick. Need to download them, build and replace the existing ones and it's good to go.
[05:18] <wheatthin> :)
[05:18] <wheatthin> akurilin2,
[05:18] <wheatthin> noo.. you can modprobe e100e
[05:18] <wheatthin> e1000e
[05:18] <akurilin2> wheatthin, I did, but it did nothing
[05:19] <AlexLikeRock> What if Microsoft bought Ubuntu?
[05:19] <AlexLikeRock> http://www.osattack.com/humor/what-if-microsoft-bought-ubuntu/
[05:19] <AlexLikeRock> 1st – All open source code would “mysteriously” self implode leaving no trace it ever existed.
[05:19] <AlexLikeRock> 2nd – Integration of IE6.0 for all non EU downloads.
[05:19] <AlexLikeRock> 3rd – Silverlight becomes the only supported media player.
[05:19] <FloodBot1> AlexLikeRock: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:19] <wheatthin> should be in the kernel for a long while now
[05:19] <akurilin2> wheatthin, right, but what if this was a matter of versions of that driver?
[05:20] <wheatthin> akurilin2, then a newer kernel should be installed
[05:20] <wilee-nilee> AlexLikeRock, #ubuntu-offtopic is the channel you want
[05:20] <AlexLikeRock> * You have left channel #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:33] <evilroots> hey
[05:33] <evilroots>  i need help getting the nidvida drivers for my card working manuly as addonal drivers dont show my card
[05:33] <evilroots> i chmod 777 the files and then ran it
[05:34] <evilroots> but it said i needed to ne root so i went root then it said something else about an x server running and i need to shut it off
[05:34] <evilroots> i doonoo want to do
[05:34] <evilroots> i just wanna play games under unbutu
[05:35] <wilee-nilee> evilroots, what does lsb_release -a  say
[05:39] <jony_easyrider> how can be checked if cron launch a stored command?
[05:39] <wheatthin> jony_easyrider, by checking your syslog
[05:41] <evilroots> wilee-nilee, lsb_release -a says
[05:41] <evilroots> dj@dj-desktop:~$ lsb_release -a
[05:41] <evilroots> No LSB modules are available.
[05:41] <evilroots> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[05:41] <evilroots> Description:	Ubuntu 13.04
[05:41] <evilroots> Release:	13.04
[05:41] <FloodBot1> evilroots: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:41] <evilroots> Codename:	raring
[05:42] <jony_easyrider> wheatthin, how can I check the syslog?
[05:42] <wheatthin> evilroots, then it should work
[05:42] <wheatthin> umm   cat /var/log/syslog
[05:42] <wheatthin> search through it
[05:44] <wheatthin> evilroots, you might need to generate an xorg.conf file first tho
[05:46] <manjush> hi, does anyone know data science analytics channel on irc
[05:46] <wheatthin> nope not ubuntu topic I don't think
[06:00] <iceroot> what is the programname for the sound-applet in the systray? i need to restart it because its having errors but i cant restart my x-session
[06:00] <sebell> hello all
[06:01] <Grivvel> Does anyone know why upstart might be respawning a process terminating during the pre-stop script? As far as I can tell from the documentation, terminating during pre-stop should be totaly legal.
[06:02] <sebell> can anyone here help a n00b set up Vidalia?  I'm insecure about the terminal in ubuntu still, and don't know very many commands, makes it hard to set up and use tor.
[06:03] <xangua> sebell: or you can use the bundle provided at tor web, as themselves suggest
[06:04] <Grivvel> sebell: Is there a reason you aren't just using the browser bundle that does everything for you?
[06:04] <sebell> xangua: I did actually get that far.  :)  I don't know how to use the bundle with any other applications though.
[06:05] <sebell> or if I can
[06:05] <benbloom> Im getting input/output errors on /etc/mtab /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/resolv.conf.tmp. I think this is due to bad sectors on the microSD card being used as my root FS. is there a way to bypass these sectors?
[06:07] <prooz> Nooooooo....... James Gandolfini
[06:07] <prooz> R.I.P.
[06:08] <sebell> ^^
[06:08] <prooz> What? That's not ^^
[06:08] <prooz> It's :(
[06:09] <sebell> oops.  sorry, that was meant to be an agreement about what you said.  heard about it on public radio
[06:09] <sebell> not ^_^  I agree.  T_T
[06:10] <djapo> hello world, i have managed to pair my btheadset with my py but cant play audio out of it any help or advice
[06:10] <djapo> i have tryied an asound.conf but it trows an error libasound_module_pcm_bluetooth.so  no such file ...
[06:10] <Ben64> djapo: with your.... py?
[06:11] <sebell> Grivvel: I want to use tor with anything that connects to the web now lol.  recent events have got me paranoid and I feel the need to learn a bit more about anonymity.
[06:11] <djapo> rewtraw: computer
[06:11] <yva_> hi, I just install 13.04 and I can seem to find a way to have alt-tab to not group windows together (the old alt-tab). Is there a way to change that?
[06:11] <Ben64> !tor | sebell
[06:12] <sebell> thanks for the manuals.  :D  I shall now go read them.
[06:13] <drparazit> Всем привет. Русские есть?
[06:13] <aeon-ltd> !russian
[06:17] <sebell> what does ! mean when you use it thus: !russian
[06:20] <Ben64> sebell: its a trigger for the bot
[06:22] <sebell> Ben64: thanks.  I have a lot to learn.
[06:23] <xrfang> I try to use kvm on command line with this: sudo kvm -curses -hda vdisk.img -cdrom precise-server-amd64.iso, but it just show me a black screen with 640 x 480 Graphic mode in the middle
[06:23] <xrfang> what's wrong?
[06:26] <Ben64> xrfang: you might want to try #qemu on irc.oftc.net
[06:30] <benbloom> Im getting input/output errors on /etc/mtab /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/resolv.conf.tmp. I think this is due to bad sectors on the microSD card being used as my root FS. is there a way to bypass these sectors?
[06:31] <Ben64> benbloom: you should start with fsck
[06:32] <benbloom> Ben64: is there a way to do it without rebooting?
[06:32] <Ben64> benbloom: well yeah, just unmount the card
[06:33] <xrfang> Ben64, #kvm let me ask the "Ubuntu people" :(
[06:33] <xrfang> they said this problem is caused by "you are trying to install a graphics mode guest OS", but I am trying to install ubuntu server
[06:33] <xrfang> the server disc is in graphics mode?
[06:33] <Ben64> xrfang: i'd recommend virtualbox or something for what it seems like you want to do
[06:34] <benbloom> it's my root FS Ben64 how would I unmount while running?
[06:34] <xrfang> also, is it possible to install the so called SDL driver
[06:34] <Ben64> benbloom: how do you have a sd card as your root partition....? are you on ubuntu?
[06:34] <xrfang> Ben64, my purpose is to setup a VM development environment in pure TEXT mode
[06:34] <Ben64> xrfang: ok?
[06:35] <benbloom> yup. I'm running 12.04 armhf on a trimslice microPC
[06:35] <Ben64> you might want #ubuntu-arm then... but you should take the card out and fsck on another computer
[06:36] <DONKEEZ> how do make my backspace key go back one page in firefox
[06:36] <sebell> Ben64: if I already installed tor from the ppa:ubun-tor/ppa repository, should I uninstall it before getting it from the torproject repository?
[06:37] <Ben64> DONKEEZ: it's the first link if you google for ---- backspace back firefox
[06:37] <xrfang> Ben64, I will try virtualbox
[06:37] <Ben64> sebell: dunno, i don't use it
[06:38] <DONKEEZ> Ben64 thanks
[06:38] <DONKEEZ> link?
[06:38] <Ben64> come on, learn to use google. it was the first link on the first query i tried based on what you want
[06:39] <benbloom> k Ben64. thanks for pointing me to arm support channel. I'll just have to wait until I can power down the unit and run fsck.
[06:42] <Asad2005> When i issue date >> filename  the date in filename is displayed ok but when doing the same thing in cron the output is like this "خ يون 20 01:02:05 AST 2013" is this an encoding issue? and how can it be resolved?
[06:44] <Ben64> Asad2005: use a script
[06:44] <Tex_Nick> Ben64 : i think the ubottu factoid needs to be revised to reflect what you just stated ???
[06:44] <Ben64> Tex_Nick: clarification?
 come on, learn to use google. it was the first link on the first query i tried based on what you want
[06:45] <Asad2005> Ben64: a secript for just one command that is to put time stamp of a log inside text file?
[06:45] <Tex_Nick> as compared to !google
[06:45] <Tex_Nick> !google
[06:46] <Ben64> Tex_Nick: well that just says don't tell people to "google it", i said the exact query i used which gave the answer in the first result
[06:46] <Ben64> i'm just not going to do all the work
[06:48] <Tex_Nick> Ben64 : yes sir i just meant that i think ubottu should say something more like USE GOOGLE ... ;-)
[06:48] <Ben64> well i agree just telling people to google something without knowing the answer lies there is kind of rude
[06:51] <Asad2005> its only the month name is not in english
[06:52] <jpds> Asad2005: date -R ?
[06:52] <Tex_Nick> Ben64 : ok and i have to say you're one of the most polite in this chan & most knowledgeable was a personal thought ... probably shouldn't have posted that
[06:52] <Ben64> Tex_Nick: no its fine, don't worry
[06:53] <Hyperiant> I need some help getting good video drivers for my aging craptop; anyone willing to go to the trouble to help out?
[06:53] <THE_DUDEZ0R> suppose in the ddwrt  router im connected to, my  pc   appears as foo-pc, and I want to change that in my  system  so  the router displays someOtherName-pc, what exactly do i need to change?
[06:54] <reisio> what's the problem?
[06:54] <Hyperiant> The drivers I have don't seem to support OpenGL, and run very slow on things the laptop should be able to run well (it doesn't appear to use hardware acceleration in anything)
[06:54] <th0r> THE_DUDEZ0R, probably the computer's hostname
[06:55] <adam_> I keep getting "could not find main class" in a java package that works on other machines :(
[06:57] <energizer> How do I losslessly convert a png to pdf? "convert x.png x.pdf" seems to mess up some pixels or something
[06:57] <Asad2005> jpds: Thanks i will try it
[06:57] <THE_DUDEZ0R> th0r, I already knew that thanks
[06:57] <Smiche> Hello. I installed fglrx and now my graphic's got worse i used aticonfig to change the resolution but there are still some weird lines on the screen
[06:58] <Smiche> and Catalyst control center wouldnt start
[06:58] <Smiche> do I need to install any other packages except fglrx? Cause catalyst control center quits with an error saying that i have no gfx card drivers
[06:58] <Slart> energizer: I'll have a look.. give me a sec
[06:59] <Smiche> Also my compiz doesnt work anymore and the windows have weird buttons for minimizing resizing and quitting
[06:59] <Ben64> Hyperiant: what laptop, what video card, which ubuntu?
[07:00] <Hyperiant> Toshiba Satellite M115-S1061, the internal card (I couldn't tell you what the exact info is without running a command I don't remember), Xubuntu 13.04
[07:00] <energizer> Slart i can show you what i mean. where should i put the files?
[07:00] <Hyperiant> not having drivers is a general ubuntu issue though, right?
[07:00] <alexandergranase> I would not say drivers for ubuntu is an issue anymore
[07:01] <alexandergranase> It was a few years ago but it works a lot better nowadays
[07:01] <Hyperiant> Non-open-source drivers that support OpenGL for legacy integrated cards
[07:01] <Hyperiant> or, heck, open source is fine, as long as it functions properly
[07:02] <Smiche> Can some1 help me with my problem :X?
[07:02] <energizer> Slart Files are here http://ge.tt/8elSErj
[07:02] <energizer> its a small difference, but nonetheless
[07:02] <Ben64> Hyperiant: lspci | grep -i vga
[07:04] <Hyperiant> Ben64: ATI RC410M [Mobility Radeon Xpress 200M
[07:04] <Slart> energizer: ah.. I was just going to ask you for that.. so far I've tried with a test suite for png files and those all worked nicely using convert.. I'll try your image
[07:04] <Ben64> Hyperiant: :S not a very good chance of getting that working i fear
[07:05] <Hyperiant> It worked on Windows; the only reason I switched to Linux at all was because I'm told it runs faster
[07:05] <distilledchaos> I downgraded from 13.04 to 12.04, now the computer's internal display does not function, and the external monitor is at a lower, fixed resolution
[07:05] <Ben64> Hyperiant: ati doesn't support their old cards on linux
[07:06] <reisio> distilledchaos: why'd you downgrade
[07:06] <energizer> Slart i put both the png and the pdf up there. I guess what I want is something that makes the text smoother in the pdf, because it looks weird when zoomed-out-- inconsistent line-widths, etc.
[07:06] <Ben64> Hyperiant: run "lshw -C VIDEO" and see which driver is in use
[07:06] <distilledchaos> reisio: xserver-xorg-video-displaylink is only supported on 12.04 and 12.10
[07:06] <distilledchaos> and i need it
[07:07] <Hyperiant> Ben64: driver=radeon
[07:09] <reisio> distilledchaos: what is it?
[07:09] <Ben64> Hyperiant: from what i'm reading, that should do 3d
[07:10] <Ben64> Hyperiant: try pastebinning the outputs of the following two commands... "dmesg | grep drm" and "LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo"
[07:10] <Hyperiant> what's that command that creates a pastebin out of a command?
[07:11] <kostkon> !info pastebinit | Hyperiant
[07:11] <Slart> energizer: I can't really reproduce your results.. they look kind of the same when opened in an image-viewer and pdf-reader.. when I open them both in Gimp they look exactly the same so it might just be that your pdf-reader does something with the pdf
[07:12] <sudheera> Hi from where can I find feature request for ubuntu, I want to start contributing to ubuntu
[07:12] <energizer> Slart: oh holy shit you're right. In a different pdf viewer its way nicer...
[07:12] <reisio> sudheera: launchpad.net, methinks
[07:12] <kostkon> !contribute | sudheera
[07:12] <somsip> !contributing | sudheera
[07:12] <somsip> kostkon: ah - close :)
[07:12] <reisio> !contributization
[07:12] <kostkon> :P
[07:13] <somsip> reisio: hehe
[07:13] <Hyperiant> how do I use the pastebinit command in conjunction with a regular command?
[07:13] <Smiche> can some1 help me with finding the right drivers for my gfx card?
[07:13] <reisio> Hyperiant: regular | pastebinit, possibly
[07:14] <reisio> Hyperiant: or pastebinit $(regular)
[07:14] <somsip> !paste | Hyperiant
[07:14] <reisio> Smiche: ?
[07:14] <energizer> thanks slart
[07:14] <THE_DUDEZ0R> Hyperiant, you issue pastebinit /path/to/file
[07:14] <Smiche> the open source driver gets me GPU lockup CP stall sometimes and when i install fglrx from terminal the screen goes blurry with weird lines on the same resolution and compiz quits working
[07:15] <Smiche> now im trying to install the fglrx driver from amd's site that is for linux but it says it works for kernel 3.4 and mine is 3.5
[07:15] <THE_DUDEZ0R> where file contains the text you want to pastebin. issue pastebinit --help for some options
[07:15] <Ben64> Smiche: don't use the site, use the repository
[07:15] <Ben64> !ati | Smiche
[07:15] <wilee-nilee> Hyperbyte, command | pastebinit  is correct
[07:16] <Slart> energizer: you're welcome
[07:17] <Smiche> my graphic's card isnt in the supported list
[07:17] <Hyperiant> Ben64: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5782799/  LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo returns "glxinfo not installed"
[07:18] <safridzal> Smiche: paste here the result of this command: lspci -nn | grep VGA
[07:18] <Ben64> Hyperiant: well that looks good. can you run "glxgears" ? you'll probably need to install something for that to work
[07:18] <Smiche> lspci -nn | grep VGA
[07:18] <Smiche> oops
[07:18] <Smiche>  ATI RV670 [Radeon HD 3870] [1002:9501]
[07:18] <safridzal> on terminal
[07:19] <safridzal> afaik, you can use fglrx-legacy
[07:19] <Smiche> ye i keep forgetting ctrl+c doesnt work on terminal
[07:19] <safridzal> Smiche: you can block the text using mouse, and paste that text using middle click
[07:20] <safridzal> Smiche: open synaptic, reload, then search for fglrx legacy.
[07:20] <Smiche> should i first uninstall the driver i installed from amd's site?
[07:20] <energizer> Ctrl+Shift+C also copies in the terminal
[07:21] <Hyperiant> Ben64: glxgears runs
[07:21] <safridzal> yes.. if you've install the *****.run, you have to uninstall it first
[07:21] <Ben64> Hyperiant: then you have 3d!
[07:23] <Smiche> i think i have to restart first
[07:23] <Smiche> brb
[07:24] <Hyperiant> Ben64: The issue isn't the inability to support 3D, it's the ability to use hardware acceleration and support the versions of OpenGL that are used to run games ><
[07:24] <Ben64> Hyperiant: 3d = hardware acceleration
[07:25] <Hyperiant> Ben64: I was told radeon didn't support hardware acceleration, that's why fglrx is so much faster
[07:26] <Ben64> you won't be able to game on it anyway
[07:26] <reisio> yeah... because there's no such thing as games that don't require excessive 3d
[07:26] <Ben64> the Radeon Xpress 200M gets a benchmark score of 21
[07:26] <reisio> or is that all 'game' as a verb means anymore? 3d gaming? :p
[07:26] <Smiche> how to find broken packages?
[07:26] <Hyperiant> I'm only looking to run stuff like Torchlight, which works at 30 FPS in XP, and Awesomenauts, which is a purely 2D game
[07:27] <reisio> Smiche: how do you know they're broken if you can't find them
[07:27] <Ben64> compare that to my video card... the GeForce GTX 650TI ---- 2690
[07:27] <reisio> awesomenauts is 2d?
[07:27] <Smiche> when i ran synaptic said theres one broken package
[07:27] <Ben64> my card got 128 times higher of a score
[07:27] <reisio> hrmmm, maybe it is
[07:27] <Smiche> autormove would fix it?
[07:27] <reisio> Hyperiant: either it'll work or it won't, try
[07:28] <Smiche> i havent installed fglrx legacy just restarted after uninstall ***.run file
[07:28] <Smiche> and synaptic comes up with this error
[07:28] <kostkon> reisio, it's 2d looking 3d game like most of the 2d games nowadays
[07:28] <kostkon> a*
[07:29] <Hyperiant> reisio: Torchlight runs at a smooth 8 FPS before crashing on character select, and Awesomenauts refuses to even launch, though I blame buggy clients and poor drivers considering they worked just fine in XP
[07:29] <reisio> I was getting it confused with the other 'nauts
[07:29] <Ben64> Hyperiant: then maybe you should use windows xp?
[07:29] <reisio> Hyperiant: that's one way to approach it
[07:29] <reisio> me, I'd blame manufacturers that don't release decent drivers
[07:29] <Ben64> ati cards aren't very supported
[07:29] <reisio> sure they are
[07:29] <reisio> but not all of them are 100% perfectly supported
[07:29] <Ben64> old ones ati doesn't even want to hear about
[07:29] <reisio> you've found one
[07:30] <Ben64> its like 10 years old
[07:30] <reisio> not all things are 100% perfectly supported on Windows XP, either
[07:30] <Ben64> the fglrx driver no longer supports it
[07:30] <jpds> Ben64: Well, of course.
[07:30] <jpds> Ben64: You have to move on at some point.
[07:30] <Ben64> yep
[07:30] <alexandergranase> I have abandoned amd and ati a long time ago, always issues with those two
[07:30] <alexandergranase> Intel and nvidia works a lot better i find always
[07:30] <Hyperiant> thing is, from the research I've done, fglrx worked for it a year or so ago; can't I use the old version of the driver to get decent drivers again?
[07:30] <Ben64> amd cpus work great
[07:31] <Ben64> you'd have to use an old version of ubuntu, which isn't supported
[07:31] <Hyperiant> might unsupported ubuntu still run those games?
[07:31] <reisio> Hyperiant: sure
[07:31] <Ben64> if xp works, why try to fix something that isn't broken?
[07:31] <reisio> it's probably broken in other ways :p
[07:31] <Ben64> well yeah, its windows xp
[07:32] <reisio> Hyperiant: do you know which version of fglrx?
[07:33] <Hyperiant> XP is a laggy, run-down, maniacal, bloated crapheap of an OS that takes 5 minutes to boot up on a clean install (and no, I don't know exactly the fglrx version, unfortunately)
[07:33] <Smiche> reisio i tried to install fglrx legacy and i got this error E: /var/cache/apt/archives/fglrx_2%3a8.960-0ubuntu1.1_amd64.deb: subprocess new pre-installation script returned error exit status 1
[07:33] <reisio> Hyperiant: might be your next goal
[07:35] <Hyperiant> reisio: To the best of my knowledge, it looks like 8.543 is the version they dropped support in
[07:35] <Hyperiant> rather, they had support in that version, but dropped it in 8.6
[07:36] <Hyperiant> Though I'm reading from another source that 9.3 still supported my chipset
[07:37] <Hyperiant> http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/legacy/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx?type=2.7&product=<IP_ADDRESS>.3.3.1&lang=English And lo and behold, my chipset is listed there; I assume I have to downgrade before I try using this, though
[07:39] <reisio> that's pretty old
[07:39] <reisio> maybe you should just get a new gpu for $20
[07:40] <Hyperiant> reisio: unfortunately, I have no PCI slot in my laptop
[07:41] <Smiche> heard of tweaks to make an external slot for a pci card but that would look bad
[07:41] <SeanHosie54> Am I in the right place for some support?
[07:41] <reisio> you can open laptops, even though it's not always fun
[07:41] <reisio> SeanHosie54: quite possibly
[07:41] <SeanHosie54> Im having trouble going to sites in my web browsers
[07:41] <Hyperiant> The best thing this has is a PCMCIA slot and I don't think you can get GPUs that fit that
[07:42] <SeanHosie54> it wont let me check my hotmail
[07:42] <Hyperiant> SeanHosie54: What happens when you try to check it?
[07:42] <SeanHosie54> just times out
[07:42] <Hyperiant> also, hotmail was shut down by microsoft earlier this year
[07:42] <Hyperiant> along with MSN messenger
[07:43] <Hyperiant> Outlook.com replaced it
[07:43] <SeanHosie54> no I can check it with my windows8 computer
[07:43] <k1lled> hey guys, where i can ask for help for Router(wifi), i have a problem.
[07:43] <Hyperiant> k1lled: I know a teensy bit about networking, what's your issue?
[07:44] <bazhang> k1lled, ##networking
[07:44] <k1lled> Hyperbyte: can we talk on private?
[07:44] <SeanHosie54> and if I go to isohunt.com and do a search it times out
[07:44] <k1lled> bazhang:  tnx <3
[07:44] <SeanHosie54> it seems to be a issue with only my ubuntu machines
[07:45] <SeanHosie54> Im having trouble going to sites in my web browsers
[07:45] <auronandace> SeanHosie54: what version of ubuntu and what version of browser?
[07:46] <SeanHosie54> 13.04 and latest for all browsers
[07:46] <auronandace> SeanHosie54: when you say latest do you mean ppas or what is in the official repos?
[07:47] <SeanHosie54> from there website it was downloaded
[07:47] <auronandace> SeanHosie54: ppas are not supported here
[07:47] <SeanHosie54> ?
[07:48] <auronandace> SeanHosie54: we can only support stuff that was installed via the official repos here
[07:48] <SeanHosie54> it was downloaded from the ubuntu software center
[07:48] <ouran> hallo
[07:48] <auronandace> SeanHosie54: you just said you got it from their website
[07:48] <SeanHosie54> only opera
[07:49] <SeanHosie54> chome and firefox from ubuntu software center
[07:49] <auronandace> SeanHosie54: you mean chromium, not chrome
[07:49] <k1lled> chromium in software center
[07:49] <SeanHosie54> yes
[07:50] <Smiche> reisio: I installed fglrx as you told me but now my screen looks odd - has some vertical white lines, and compiz effects have stopped working
[07:50] <reisio> as I told you to?
[07:50] <k1lled> chrome is better, download from official website
[07:50] <SeanHosie54> is there a firewall Im unaware of?
[07:50] <reisio> chromium is better, use your package manager
[07:51] <Smiche> well you told me to install fglrx legacy from synaptic as a fix to my driver issues
[07:51] <SeanHosie54> so can anyone help here?
[07:51] <auronandace> SeanHosie54: i'm using chromium now on 13.04 and i can login to my outlook (hotmail)
[07:52] <Joe_DM> SeanHosie54: Is this a home network?
[07:52] <SeanHosie54> yer
[07:52] <SeanHosie54> yes
[07:52] <reisio> Smiche: dunno if I did that...
[07:52] <Joe_DM> you can try changing you dns to somthin like google public DNS
[07:52] <Smiche> okay :S
[07:54] <SeanHosie54> how
[07:54] <Joe_DM> edit /etc/resolv.conf
[07:55] <Joe_DM> any changes you make will be lost on reboot so its good for testing
[07:55] <Joe_DM> replace the line "nameserver x.x.x.x" with "nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>"
[07:56] <Joe_DM> when I say any changes made are lost on reboot I should add that is only if you have resolvcon installed
[07:56] <Joe_DM> which ubuntu does by default
[07:56] <SeanHosie54> I dont know this is giving me the shitts going to just re-install
[07:57] <Joe_DM> why reinstall
[07:57] <SeanHosie54> it was working fine before
[07:57] <Joe_DM> what exactly is the problem, I just got here?/
[07:58] <SeanHosie54> could conky cause browser probs?
[07:58] <auronandace> SeanHosie54: no
[08:11] <pikey5> clear
[08:24] <Twister> hi
[08:25] <Twister> just wondering if anyone could help me with ubuntu terminal command?
[08:25] <somsip> !anyone | Twister
[08:25] <Twister> Trying to do a make; and I'm getting a few errors
[08:26] <somsip> Twister: so it's a compilation from source issue?
[08:26] <Twister> apparently I am missing libcloog-pp10
[08:26] <Twister> however I'm searching Google and cannot find that package to install?
[08:26] <DJones> !find libcloog-pp10
[08:26] <somsip> Twister: http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/libcloog-isl-dev
[08:26] <somsip> Maybe?
[08:26] <Slart> Twister: it's libcloog-ppl0  L instead of 1
[08:27] <somsip> !find libcloog
[08:27] <somsip> Twister: so, possibly, one of those
[08:27] <Twister> ok so with that can I do "sudo apt-get libcloog-ppl-dev and so on"  to isntall the pacakge?
[08:28] <Twister> install*
[08:28] <somsip> Twister: that;s the idea. Not sure how mit and miss this might be given there are 4 candidates...
[08:28] <somsip> *hit and miss
[08:29] <Twister> hmm saying invalid operation
[08:29] <somsip> Twister: sudo apt-get install {package}
[08:29] <llutz> Twister: man apt-get (sudo apt-get install packagename)
[08:29] <Twister> thx will try now
[08:31] <Twister> it worked :)
[08:31] <somsip> Twister: cool
[08:32] <Twister> thanks somsip, llutz, ubottu, DJones, Slart
[08:32] <Twister> I appriciate your help :)
[08:32] <Baribal> Hi. I've tried doing "sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386", but dpkg says "dpkg: error: unknown option --add-architecture". Neither man page nor dpkg --help know of --add-architecture. I'm using <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu7.1 and there doesn't seem to be an update for Precise. Any idea what to do?
[08:33] <somsip> Baribal: what is leading you to need to do that?
[08:34] <Baribal> somsip, the need to use Skype.
[08:34] <llutz> Baribal: according to dpkg changelog, it was added with 1.16.2
[08:34] <somsip> Baribal: I've never heard of that. Most people just install the Skype package and it works (mostly). It did for me. How are you installing Skype?
[08:37] <somsip> Baribal: Note that the Ubuntu dpkg in natty (1.16.0~ubuntu7 (reports <IP_ADDRESS>)), oneiric and precise (<IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu7) uses a different syntax: http://is.gd/osQeGA
[08:38] <pikey5> hallow!! i installed idle-python27 on my ubuntu 13.04,wondering howto make .py file right-click-open-with-idle possible ?
[08:38] <Baribal> somsip, I assume that I have to add some repositories, 'cause by defaut there is no skype package in Precise.
[08:39] <Biomechd> hey guys, i'm trying to use an online program called audiotool but it says that i need flash player to view it. i have flash installed because i can watch youtube and stuff, though. how do i fix this?
[08:40] <wsnipex> skype is in the canonical partner repo
[08:42] <pikey5> why not just go to the official website and download it?
[08:42] <somsip> Baribal: like wsnipex says, just enable the Partner repo
[08:43] <bathman> anyone that can help me make a bootable install cd for ubuntu 8.04 ? to contain a tar file (with the distro ready to use) ?
[08:43] <somsip> !8.04 | bathman
[08:44] <k1l_> !eol | bathman
[08:44] <bathman> somsip : i know, unfortunately 8.04 is the only choice - we have an outdated touchscreen driver
[08:45] <somsip> bathman: then you may struggle to get someone who knows about it. Now is not the best time as this channel is usually busy when more of the western world is awake.
[08:45] <somsip> *busier
[08:45] <bathman> and the 8.04 will be residing in the tar
[08:46] <Ben64> doesn't matter, 8.04 is still not supported
[08:46] <bathman> somsip : ic, forgot about that
[08:46] <Ben64> it's over 5 years old
[08:46] <somsip> bathman: but likely  you'll hit the official response which is, !eol
[08:47] <bathman> so in fact, all i need is a bootcd that can partition and format ext3, and untar to that ext3 partition - that's it
[08:53] <domedagen> Nouveau is causing my fresh instal of 13.04 to crash. Is there a way to change driver without logging in?
[08:54] <reisio> domedagen: crash how?
[08:57] <somsip> domedagen: boot to text mode, login and fix using cli
[08:57] <somsip> !text | domedagen
[08:58] <Slart> domedagen: if you can boot to a terminal instead of X/Gnome you can blacklist the nouveau kernel module
[08:58] <Slart> domedagen: I'm not sure what the backup plan is for X but it's worth a try
[09:03] <Twister> hmm running into some libcurl problems, such as "LIBCURL_CHECK_CONFIG(,"   trying to look how to resolve now just curious if anyone had any ideas
[09:04] <Twister> from what I can gather issue with the ./configure command
[09:05] <Zeev> eclipse makes unity taskbar disappear on 12.04 how can I restart it (on windows it would be start->run->explorer)
[09:06] <reisio> Zeev: ls /usr/bin/*unity* might have a clue
[09:06] <reisio> if 'unity' is actually in the executable name
[09:06] <ActionParsnip> it is
[09:06] <reisio> might check bar / panel / menu
[09:06] <ActionParsnip> try:  unity --replace
[09:07] <reisio> there's nothing for the task bar on its own?
[09:07] <ActionParsnip> no idea there
[09:07] <ActionParsnip> personally
[09:07] <reisio> personally is the way I like it, baby
[09:09] <rocinante_> hola
[09:09] <rocinante_> :)
[09:09] <reisio> shalomx0r
[09:09] <reisio> :D
[09:13] <operatormplik> hy
[09:16] <allanv> any pptp vpn expert here?
[09:16] <DJones> !ask | allanv
[09:17] <DJones> allanv: Just explain your question in detail, if anybody can help, they'll normally reply
[09:18] <azertyui> hello there
[09:18] <azertyui> is it possible to install ubuntu on windows using qemu ?
[09:19] <reisio> azertyui: yup
[09:19] <gordonjcp> azertyui: should be, it'll run in any virtualisation container
[09:19] <azertyui> if yes how reisio
[09:19] <reisio> azertyui: exactly as the qemu docs say
[09:20] <reisio> azertyui: why do you want to?
[09:21] <azertyui> well let me explain what i have done i start download qemu from here http://lassauge.free.fr/qemu/release/Qemu-1.4.2-windows.zip then ubuntu server iso http://releases.ubuntu.mirrors.uk2.net//precise/ubuntu-12.04.2-server-i386.iso
[09:22] <reisio> azertyui: why do you want to use qemu?
[09:22] <azertyui> then i put the iso on qemu folder
[09:22] <Ben64> uh, this isn't qemu support
[09:22] <Ben64> !qemu
[09:22] <Ben64> hmm
[09:23] <Ben64> irc.oftc.net #qemu
[09:23] <rocinante_> !qemu
[09:23] <reisio> it's unlikely he's got a good reason to use qemu for anything at all
[09:23] <azertyui> then i start create a file called run.bat something like that http://paste.ubuntu.com/5783074/ but don't want work
[09:23] <reisio> azertyui: not so much with the listening, are you?
[09:23] <azertyui> yes of course
[09:23] <azertyui> tell me what you want ,
[09:23] <azertyui> ?
[09:24] <reisio> azertyui: why do you want to use qemu?
[09:24] <mathnode> virtualbox on windows would provide you a faster Ubuntu Server Experience™
[09:24] <Ben64> azertyui: this isn't qemu support, that is located at irc.oftc.net #qemu
[09:24] <azertyui> qemu is better known for emulator os
[09:24] <azertyui> that's why i would like to use qemu
[09:24] <reisio> azertyui: mmm, I don't know that it is
[09:24] <Ben64> thats fine, just go to the qemu support
[09:24] <reisio> VirtualBox will be faster, as mathnode says
[09:24] <reisio> and also much simpler to use
[09:25] <azertyui> virtualbox is for dummy
[09:25] <reisio> on a _Unix host_ qemu/kvm will be faster and easier to use, though :)
[09:25] <reisio> azertyui: even if that is so, it'll be faster than qemu
[09:25] <DG8FV-B9TKY-FRT9> !xen
[09:25] <reisio> !spam
[09:26] <azertyui> well when you face with problem is find out solution not by pass with other one
[09:26] <azertyui> well what 's wrong with my config ?
[09:26] <reisio> azertyui: unless the other solution is far superior
[09:26] <reisio> azertyui: that's a question for #qemu
[09:26] <azertyui>  http://paste.ubuntu.com/5783074/
[09:26] <Ben64> azertyui: go. to. the. qemu. support. channel.
[09:26] <azertyui> are you there ? Ben64 reisio
[09:26] <Ben64> no
[09:26] <mathnode> My Virtualisation Solution is better than Your Virtualisation Solution!
[09:26] <azertyui> i m allready there
[09:27] <azertyui> no one
[09:27] <Ben64> then stop asking here
[09:27] <azertyui> actually there
[09:27] <reisio> well it's 5:30am
[09:27] <reisio> maybe let them wake up
[09:27] <allanv> Using Ubuntu Natty 11.04 64bit. Installed pptpd just fine. I enabled the ppp module at my VPS but i encountered new error again "Jun 20 12:48:06 auckland pppd[448]: Please load the ppp_generic kernel module. " I tried to # modprobe ppp_generic
[09:27] <allanv> WARNING: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong into /etc/modprobe.d/.
[09:27] <allanv> FATAL: Module ppp_generic not found.
[09:27] <Ben64> allanv: 11.04 is no longer supported
[09:28] <llutz> azertyui: 176 people in #qemu, not you
[09:29] <azertyui> how to filter if there are online or idle ? llutz
[09:29] <azertyui> seems there is no response to my question
[09:29] <allanv> Ben64: Can you atlest provide a valid link please that pptp on 11.04 64bit is no longer supported?
[09:29] <azertyui> tell me first fi you are present there ?
[09:29] <mathnode> I am going to make a note of this for the next meeting I have with colleagues, with an agenda focused on virtualisation. +1 for qemu because it's harder to use so it must be good. -1 for virtualbox because it's for dummies. Promotion here I come!
[09:30] <gordonjcp> allanv: 11.04 is no longer supported
[09:30] <Ben64> azertyui: stop asking here. this is not qemu support. this is ubuntu support. we can't help you with it.
[09:30] <llutz> azertyui: the channel is on  "irc.oftc.net", not on freenode...
[09:30] <reisio> 'cept for the 115 people in #qemu
[09:30] <Ben64> allanv: you really really should upgrade, especially on a server you're leaving it vulnerable to attack
[09:31] <azertyui> there is also qemu channel available on freenode
[09:31] <azertyui> you can join there llutz
[09:31] <llutz> azertyui: why should i
[09:31] <azertyui> ok
[09:32] <azertyui> hold on
[09:32] <mob001> hi, how to get the last hour CPU statistics in ubuntu
[09:32] <allanv> Ben64: Like apt-get upgrade? Or upgrade it to the latest e.g 12.04?
[09:33] <Ben64> allanv: 12.04
[09:35] <git> hello
[09:35] <vlt> Hello git! I haven’t used you in a long time.
[09:35] <vlt> (Oh … gone)
[09:36] <bpietro> hi, anybody else has this problem: using unity w/ 9 wirt desktops, after some hrs of work some inactive app windows wander from destop to another (typical Skype window, but not only it, open on virt dtp 9, find on any else after 20 minutes) nothing I can't survive, but annoyng
[09:38] <reisio> bpietro: could maybe hack a fix with wmctrl
[09:39] <allanv> Ben64 gordonjcp Thanks! :)
[09:41] <bpietro> reisio: tnx
[09:43] <Shubham_Rao> hi
[09:44] <reisio> hi there Shubham_Rao
[09:45] <bpietro> reisio: see, it's frustrating, workin on dtp 1, skype alert shows, ctrl-alt-9 and stared with empty dtp. For now I want only know: it's only my problem or sbd else found it too?
[09:46]  * reisio shrugs
[09:48] <bpietro> maybe unity bug database research helps
[09:53] <azertyui> llutz: hello
[09:53] <reisio> llutz: hello
[09:58] <Ashael> hello
[09:58] <reisio> 'lo ash
[09:58] <Ashael> 'lo
[09:59] <Ashael> Q: how do I use jokcey to turn on a wireless module?
[09:59]  * Ashael prods sere
[10:00] <sere> Ashael: use the command line : sudo modprobe brcmsmac
[10:01] <Ashael> hmmm
[10:01] <sere> Ashael: that should be all you need to get your wifi up and running
[10:02] <Ashael> it doesn't seem to recognize the networks, but i need to check if they're not offline
[10:03] <sere> Ashael: you should be able to pick up something in the scan
[10:03] <subthalamus> can ubuntu be used with a wsd scanner?
[10:04] <Ashael> sere: the networks here went down this morning, it's possible they're still offline (i'm connected through wired)
[10:04] <reisio> subthalamus: wsd?
[10:04] <reisio> subthalamus: some windows protocol?
[10:04] <sere> Ashael: so you got it working and now it down again ?
[10:04] <reisio> subthalamus: potentially
[10:05] <Ashael> sere: i mean the wireless network here at work
[10:05] <subthalamus> reisio: oki mc342dn
[10:05] <Ashael> the module seems to be on, but it's not picking them up - and they are up.
[10:05] <sweettea> GUYS!  Any advice?
[10:05] <Ashael> have you updated flash?
[10:06] <DJones> subthalamus: There is a list of supported scanners at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Scanners Looking at that, there doesn't appear to much support for Oki scanners
[10:06] <mathnode> Why do we have flash installed again?
[10:07] <Ashael> hmm, now it found the networks
[10:07] <Ashael> but they are all very weak
[10:07] <Ashael> ~30%, should be about 80% or more.
[10:08] <sweettea> I believe I have updated flash yes
[10:08] <sweettea> mathnode: because this is a desktop machine?
[10:08] <mathnode> I mean in general, the scope of media delivered through the intrawebs. I can't remember what provoked me to install it. Probably cat videos.
[10:09] <sweettea> plenty of media comes in flash format
[10:09] <mathnode> There was a cool flash game that came with the last Humble Indie Bundle that was flash, and thus cross platform. Insidios 2 or something.
[10:10] <Ashael> sere: any idea why the networks would be detected as low signal strength when I know it to be high?
[10:11] <gordonjcp> Ashael: interference
[10:11] <sweettea> I also noticed skype does now show up in the package manager now
[10:11] <gordonjcp> Ashael: the "signal strength" display is showing signal to noise ratio, rather than RSSI
[10:12] <Ashael> hmm
[10:12] <sere> Ashael: yea one sec im looking for something
[10:12] <Ashael> gordonjcp: doesn't sound right, it was fine before.
[10:12] <gordonjcp> Ashael: uh-huh, and you know for certain that nothing has changed?
[10:13] <Ashael> no, but my cellphone seems to find it in high signal.
[10:13] <Ashael> which means something has changed with the comp
[10:14] <gordonjcp> Ashael: your phone might be showing RSSI rather than S/N
[10:15] <Ashael> well, it always did, and since nothing has changed with the network, it means the comp is now showing S/N when in the past it showed RSSI - or something is b0rk with the driver.
[10:15] <sere> Ashael: whats your iwconfig say
[10:15] <vnc786> can at a time both 3.5 and 4.04 version of LO can be run. i am having 3.5 installed but want to try LO4.0.4
[10:15] <Ashael> wlan0     IEEE 802.11bgn  ESSID:off/any             Mode:Managed  Access Point: Not-Associated   Tx-Power=19 dBm              Retry  long limit:7   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off           Encryption key:off           Power Management:off            lo        no wireless extensions.  eth0      no wireless extensions.
[10:16] <sere> Ashael: heres my signal strength
[10:16] <sere>           Link Quality=67/70  Signal level=-43 dBm
[10:17] <Ashael> ok?
[10:17]  * Ashael confused
[10:18] <sere> Ashael: try to connect to your server and then run iwconfig
[10:18] <Ashael> my server?
[10:19] <sere> Ashael: sorry its 5:20am here.. im pretty tired :x isp networn / isp .. connect using your wifi card
[10:19] <Ashael> not sure i understand.
[10:20] <sere> Ashael: you are still connect to the net with your ethernet i believe.. try to connect using your wifi card
[10:21] <sere> Ashael: then we can go from there and test
[10:21] <Ashael> which means disconnecting the wired?
[10:21] <Ashael> sorry, i'm pretty clueless when it comes to networks
[10:23] <sere> Ashael: no you dont have to disconnect.. your router will get you another ip
[10:23] <sere> no worries
[10:23] <Ashael> what exactly do you mean by "connect through the wifi"?
[10:25] <sere> Ashael: do you use your wifi card to get an internet connection? What I mean is enter your wifi info essid and wpa password or whatever you use to get to a connection
[10:26] <Ashael> you mean, connect to a wireless network?
[10:27] <sere> Ashael: yea :)
[10:27] <Ashael> heh duh
[10:27] <sere> hehe
[10:27] <Ashael> it no longer picks up any signal :(
[10:27] <sere> Ashael: hmm
[10:27] <N41T> hello there, some one know how to do the log in to freenode?
[10:28] <rravisha> its /msg nickserv identify <password>
[10:28] <N41T> rravisha, Thnx!!
[10:28] <rravisha> no problem
[10:29] <Speiros> Can someone direct me where to go to get help with the webcam program "cheese" please.
[10:31] <gordonjcp> Speiros: just ask in here..
[10:32] <sere> Ashael: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ please pastebin..  sudo lshw -C network .. you might have to installed lshw. if so its sudo apt-get install lshw
[10:32] <Speiros> Ok, thanks gordonjcp.  Sometimes I go to open Cheese, and it doesn't open, just hangs.  Other times it says device can't be found.  But the time which I DO like, which happens, apparently randomly, is when it opens properly.  Why are there such discrepancies?
[10:33] <Speiros> It's opened up as a grey box, at present, and I'll have to force quit to close it.
[10:33] <Ashael> sere: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5783244/
[10:36] <sere> Ashael: everything looks good to me.. try iwlist wlan0 scan
[10:36] <sere> Ashael: that will scan through the console
[10:37] <Ashael> wlan0     No scan results
[10:38] <casshern> hi everyone!
[10:38] <Rarrikins> At login, I am told system load and so on. It repeats the part about how many packages are ready to be upgraded. How do I fix it to show them only once?
[10:43] <sere> Ashael: run lsmod and see if there is another broadcom driver loaded.. could be conflicting with current.. not really sure why it acting up though
[10:44] <Ashael> sere" maybe b43?
[10:45] <sere> Ashael: that could be it.. you dont need that
[10:46] <sere> Ashael: sudo rmmod b43
[10:46] <Ashael> k, what's the command to remove it? iwconfig -r b43?
[10:46] <Ashael> ah
[10:46] <sere> cloe :D
[10:46] <sere> close *
[10:47] <Ashael> sere: I'm going to try and reboot. back in a few, thanks for the help so far!
[10:47] <sere> Ashael: your welcome
[10:52] <Ashael> back
[10:52] <Ashael> sere: i rebooted and the module is off again or something :(
[10:54] <TakumoKatekari> Hi All,I have a problem where Gvim isn't working, it just brings up a grey square which I can't kill or do anything to...
[10:54] <TakumoKatekari> I happened when I upgraded from 12.10 to 13.04
[10:54] <sere> Ashael: run lsmod and see if b43 is there
[10:55] <Ashael> yup :(
[10:55] <adeebnqo> TakumoKatekari: you can't even kill it via the terminal?
[10:56] <Ashael> there are also bcma and ssb
[10:56] <Ashael> which may also be part of it
[10:57] <sere> Ashael: ok lets do this : sudo rmmod b43 && modprobe bmca && modprobe brcmsmac && modprobe brcmutil
[10:58] <Ashael> Module b43 is not currently loaded
[10:58] <sere> Ashael: ok skip that then
[10:58] <monoman> hello
[10:58] <rravisha> hello there
[10:58] <monoman> I'm using Ubunut server here
[10:58] <monoman> command line without X
[10:59] <monoman> it seems fun to use it that way!
[10:59] <sere> Ashael: b43 is probably being started at boot because of the old driver.. in any case we can just blacklist it so it doesnt start on boot
[10:59] <Ashael> sere: no change.
[10:59] <monoman> but I still need to figure out some comman line commands
[11:00] <vlt> !enter | monoman
[11:00] <monoman> Is there a way to remove unneeded packages from apt-get other than the usual apt-get autoremove or apt-get purge?
[11:01] <jrib> monoman: apt-get autoremove is what you want. Before that feature was implemented, there was deborphan.  Why do you ask?
[11:01] <monoman> because I was messing with my ubunut server and I believe I installed a lot of unneeded dependencies
[11:02] <sere> Ashael: go ahead and sudo rmmod ssd : from what im reading that could affect it too
[11:02] <Ashael> ssd or ssb?
[11:02] <sere> Ashael: ssb :)
[11:02] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:03] <monoman> I've got another question, how can I play sounds on Ubuntu server? I installed alsa-utils and tried aplay but I got an error
[11:04] <Ashael> sere: no change. I'm afraid I have to log off now, so thank you very much for all the help. I'll come back when I have the time.
[11:04] <monoman> So, does playing sounds needs X to be installed??
[11:04] <Ashael> bye
[11:05] <sere> Ashael: ok have a good one.. your welcome :)
[11:06] <monoman> Sorry if I repeat my question but I'm not sure it was sent in the first place: does playing sounds require X to be installed??
[11:06] <jrib> monoman: if you installed packages you no longer want, then just remove them.  If you install a package, apt will assume you want it
[11:07] <monoman> Thanks jrib, I removed the packages that I installed myself, but will autoremove remove all the unneeded dependencies??
[11:07] <jrib> monoman: that is how it should work, yes
[11:08] <monoman> jrib: good. Thanks :)  So, do you know any way to play sounds (or even simple beep) using ubuntu server command line?
[11:09] <gordonjcp> monoman: play
[11:09] <jrib> monoman: sorry, I haven't done that in a long time.  I don't remember needing to do anything special though
[11:09] <monoman> gordonjcp: will that play audio files or beep?
[11:10] <monoman> and why the character /a (which should be bell) doesn't play any sound on ubuntu server 12.04?
[11:11] <jrib> monoman: your / is backwards :)
[11:21] <casshern> hahaha very funny... do  you remember?
[11:22] <casshern> any app to record my desktop on Ubuntu 13.04?
[11:23] <DJones> !screencast | casshern
[11:23] <casshern> thank you
[11:29] <casshern> and one more question guys? do you know why all the time my wifi fails in any linux. on win7 i never had issues. my network card is rtl8187 realtek and ralink 5390
[11:29] <wasanzy> I have a server which is having an Internet modem plug to it so it gets DHCP IP no public IP. and I want to setup  VPN on it so that, from my laptop I can ssh to the server, is it possible with openvpn?
[11:30] <ActionParsnip> casshern: omgubuntu has a few, with reviews
[11:30] <oal> any ideas why suddenly I have to press ctrl first in any ctrl+shift/alt+... shortcut?  XD
[11:41] <Layke> Is there a command to "pause" terminal. Basically, I'm running something that pipe lots of output to screen
[11:41] <Layke> I want to stop it so I can read momentairly, and resume every so often
[11:42] <k1l_> casshern: keep it to english in here please or join the spanish channel
[11:42] <k1l_> !es | casshern
[11:42] <bgardner> Layke: Ctrl+S to pause, Ctrl+Q to resume
[11:42] <casshern> ok thanks
[11:42] <reisio> Layke: pause key
[11:42] <th0r> Layke, haven't used it in decades, but ctrl S and ctrl Q used to do the job. And you know you can pipe to less as well
[11:42] <trueif> i have a Problem.i recently installed an nvidia driver from ppa(i don't know remember the version)and also installed the latest nvidia driver from nvidia website.i did that because i had problems with resolution.In adddition i modified /etc/X11/Xorg.0.log and now when i boot it comes with the logo but then it shows a blank screen and i can't do nothing!
[11:43] <MickS> Layke: or run it in screen or script, so you can read/scroll back
[11:43] <trueif> also my laptop is a sony vaio and it came with hybrid gpu,an intel + nvidia
[11:44] <Layke> Yeah, I thought Ctrl+Q would do it. For some reason it isn't when I am SSH'ed in to a remote host. (I assumed that suspend/resume would be to do with your local terminal, but I guess it's the actual environment.. *shrugs*
[11:44] <Layke> I'll pip and less perhaps if that works.
[11:45] <MickS> Layke: for remote jobs I can advise screen... then the job will continue even if your ssh connection drops, and you can pick up the terminal window when you re-login
[11:45] <casshern> danke, see ya
[11:46] <MickS> Layke: (just be sure to start the screen on the remote server of course)
[11:47] <Maple__> how do you prevent the creation of files in ubuntu with a certain name - i.e. asdfgh.log?
[11:48] <trueif> i have a Problem.i recently installed an nvidia driver from ppa(i don't know remember the version)and also installed the latest nvidia driver from nvidia website.i did that because i had problems with resolution.In adddition i modified /etc/X11/Xorg.0.log and now when i boot it comes with the logo but then it shows a blank screen and i can't do nothing!
[11:49] <reisio> trueif: grep EE /var/log/Xorg*log
[11:49] <trueif> reisio, i am the guy from yesterday :D
[11:50] <reisio> trueif: someone was bound to be that guy
[11:50] <MickS> reisio is not from yesterday
[11:50] <trueif> reisio, do you want the output from this?
[11:50] <reisio> I'm from yestermillennium
[11:50] <reisio> trueif: not especially
[11:51] <trueif> then what?
[11:51] <trueif> i believe that if i could unistall the nvidia drivers
[11:51] <MickS> trueif: the output might give you an idea what is wrong
[11:51] <trueif> then the problem would be solved
[11:51] <reisio> trueif: what's stopping you?
[11:51] <trueif> i can't log in
[11:51] <MickS> trueif: you know how to get into a terminal? (press ctrl-alt-F1)
[11:51] <trueif> i can't
[11:51] <MickS> those are your text terminals, outside of X
[11:51] <trueif> look
[11:51] <reisio> trueif: can you CTRL+ALT+F2?
[11:52] <trueif> i boot up then it shows me the logo
[11:52] <trueif> and then a blank screen
[11:52] <reisio> trueif: can you CTRL+ALT+F2?
[11:52] <trueif> i did not tried
[11:52] <trueif> can you tell me more combinations?
[11:52] <trueif> don't boot up all the time
[11:52] <ActionParsnip> trueif: what GPU do you use?
[11:53] <trueif> nvidia gt 640m le
[11:53] <reisio> trueif: X runs on tty7, (CTRL+ALT+F7), try using CTRL+ALT+F2