[17:43] <toma> Tonio_: pinh
[17:49]  * jpatrick gives toma an g
[17:49] <toma> jpatrick: pinhg does not make sense to me, but thanks ;-)
[17:51]  * mhb gives toma an s/h/g/
[17:51] <toma> o, i can choose between them ? ;-)
[17:58] <Tonio_> toma: pong ?
[18:05] <mhb> Riddell: how's the KDE4 CD, by the way?
[18:05] <mhb> Riddell: are the seeds unstuck now?
[18:05] <mhb> sorry for the polling
[18:06] <mhb> I guess this approach is not really polite, some "bus mastering" would be a much better way
[18:08] <Riddell> well, as it happens...
[18:08] <Riddell> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-kde4/daily/20080215/
[18:08] <Riddell> now I should say that those were only created a minute ago and I have zero idea of if they'll actually work
[18:09] <Riddell> I expect the package choice will have gaps in it
[18:09] <Riddell> I wonder if live CDs will work
[18:09] <smarter> Riddell: the files in http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-kde4/daily/20080215/source/ are empty
[18:10] <Riddell> please don't sue me!
[18:10] <smarter> just letting you know ;)
[18:11] <jpatrick> smarter: not here
[18:11] <jpatrick> oh wait..
 what, we have to provide sources?</mepis>
[18:11] <smarter> ;)
[18:14] <mhb> awesome work, hooray for Riddell
[18:26] <Riddell> so, anyone want to try it and see what happens?
[18:28] <toma> Tonio_: hi
[18:28] <smarter> I will if there was a live version
[18:29] <Riddell> there isn't
[18:30] <toma> Tonio_: if you have hacking questions, please mail me or find me, I'll can help you, but I might be less available on this channel next weeks.
[18:36] <txwikinger> xorg leaked 2G of memory in less than 24 days :(
[19:05] <jouellette> Hi, Can anyone help me create a .deb package? It uses cmake and I"m having issues building the package correctly
[19:06] <jouellette> I've read the tutorial on creating .debs but I can't figure out how to config the rules file to work with cmake
[19:06] <jpatrick> jouellette: you've come to the right place
[19:06] <jouellette> Woot!
[19:07] <jouellette> I'm trying to package a Plasmoid I wrote..
[19:07] <jpatrick> ok
[19:08] <jouellette> but I can't seem to be able to get dh_make to create a rules file that works...
[19:11] <jpatrick> jouellette: I'm not sure what the current last one looks like, but look into the yakuake-kde4 package for an example
[19:12] <jouellette> jpatrick: how can I look into a .deb without installing it?
[19:12] <jouellette> I think I just built the .deb....
[19:12] <jpatrick> jouellette: make sure you have hardy deb-src's in your /etc/apt/sources.list, apt-get update and apt-get source yakuake-kde4
[19:13] <ScottK2> jouellette: ark filename.deb will do it.
[19:13] <jpatrick> jouellette: dpkg -c filename.deb - will print it's contents
[19:14] <ScottK2> jouellette: or debc binarychangesfile.changes will do it too
[19:15] <jouellette> Thanks for the help, I looked into that .deb and all the files are there... I just need to mod the control and such files and it'll be done...
[19:15] <jouellette> Thanks again for the help, it's very appreciated
[19:15] <jpatrick> It's our speciality
[19:16] <jouellette> I can't wait for 4.1, I'm fine with 4.0.1 but there's a few things that are bugging me.. :)
[19:18] <smarter> jouellette: if you want to see what a packaged plasmoid looks like: apt-get source kepas
[19:18] <jpatrick> smarter: did that get though NEW?
[19:19] <smarter> jpatrick: yes ;)
[19:19] <jpatrick> smarter: gentil
[19:19] <smarter> jpatrick: that's not the right word :}
[19:19] <Riddell> jouellette: which tutorial did you read?
[19:20] <ScottK2> smarter: I reuploaded qdevelop yesterday before the freeze.  Next time when we're close to a freeze, please don't ask to have the package rejected.  Just bug fix it after it's out of New.
[19:20] <jpatrick> smarter: damn
[19:20] <smarter> bbl
[19:20] <smarter> jpatrick: we use "cool" in french too
[19:20] <jpatrick> smarter: lame
[19:21] <jouellette> Riddell: the Package building tut.
[19:21] <jpatrick> Riddell: probably mine
[19:22] <jpatrick> don't sue me!
[19:22] <Riddell> jouellette: which one, there's lots :)
[19:22] <Riddell> ?
[19:22] <jouellette> Riddell: they are all the same... :) just copy and pasted.. :)
[19:22] <jouellette> let me get a list of links.. :)
[19:22] <jpatrick> jouellette: does it have: "Kubuntu Tutorials Day - Packaging 101" on the front page?
[19:23] <jouellette> http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/337 | https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-chap.html
[19:23] <jouellette> jpatrick: I did see that one.. but that looked just like the ubuntu one.. just blue.. :)
[19:23] <jpatrick> ah right
[19:24] <jouellette> I hadn't seen the IRC chat transcript though...
[19:25] <jpatrick> jouellette: you don't want to, that's why I made the PDF :)
[19:32] <smarter> ScottK2: sorry for that, someone advised me to do that, he uploaded my package too
[19:33] <jpatrick> aplg
[19:37] <ScottK2> smarter: Who do you think uploaded your package?
[19:38] <ScottK2> smarter: I uploaded it both times, so something is a bit confused.
[19:40] <smarter> ScottK2: gpocentek uploaded it and at some point there was two qdevelop packages in NEW
[19:41] <smarter> he forgot to remove the package from revu I think
[19:43] <ScottK2> smarter: That's odd because normally one will get rejected.  Then I'm additionally grumpy because I wasted time yesterday re-reviewing and uploading the package.
[19:44] <ScottK2> Please let people who are involved with a package know what's going on.
[19:47] <smarter> ScottK2: I didn't know that the package was still on revu, but sorry again ;)
[19:49]  * ScottK2 mumbles something about checking and moves on.
[20:46] <ryanakca> kwwii: good, we've settled on the last mockup on the wiki page
[20:46]  * ryanakca grumbles at all the Kubuntu meetings being on Wednesdays...
[20:47] <jpatrick> ryanakca: they're on Saturdays too
[20:48] <mhb> ryanakca: like the last one which was on Saturday
[20:48] <ryanakca> jpatrick: heh, nevermind then :)
[20:48] <ryanakca> doesn't really matter if I make them or no... I'm not exactly what you could call "essential" or even "important" to the project :)
[20:49] <jpatrick> ryanakca: we all are
[20:50] <ryanakca> jpatrick: lol, I don't think I've been to a meeting in the past 3 months... ok. "essential" or "important" to the meeting then.
[20:50] <nixternal> ryanakca: aren't you managing the website transition? that is pretty important right there.  I ditched it for mutt :P
[20:57] <nixternal> really?
[20:58] <nixternal> Pine was awesome back in the 90s....Mutt was great, but Pine was just awesome
[20:58] <nixternal> I have been thinking about reverting back from KMail, but I have just gotten to used to it
[20:59] <ryanakca> yeah... I already had a .muttrc set up from a few years back, and it "just worked"... and I didn't feel like having to go through patching and rebuilding or something of the sort to get GPG support
[21:00] <ryanakca> nixternal: KMail (KDE3) doesn't like KDE4 here... which is why I use mutt...
[21:01] <nixternal> really? it works pretty good for me thus far
[21:01] <ScottK> ryanakca: That's why I use KDE3.
[21:01] <ryanakca> nixternal: I don't feel like having a seperate X session just to run a few KDE3 apps... and with mutt I can access my email from school too when I ssh in to do my C++ stuff :)
[21:01] <nixternal> seeing as KMail for KDE 4 is starting to mature a bit, I have been thinking of building a kdepim-kde4 package to give it a try
[21:01]  * jpatrick wonders what happened here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/56129/
[21:02] <nixternal> jpatrick: that is an easy one to fix...just read the error message it gave ya :p
[21:02] <jpatrick> dpkg-buildpackage: host architecture i386 -> Aborting with an error
[21:03]  * ryanakca goes to finish his kalzium patch
[21:04] <ryanakca> ... except I have no clue how to convert the atomic weight into g/cm^3 :)
[21:05] <nixternal> jpatrick: hahaha, I was being a wise ass with that one...because, there simply isn't a reason/error stated with the abort
[21:07] <ScottK> nixternal: If there was a kdepim-kde4 package, I would sign up for testing it in Hardy.
[21:08] <nixternal> maybe I will do that then...just do an svn export and put it in my ppa
[21:08] <ryanakca> nixternal: so would I :)
[21:08] <ScottK> nixternal: Why PPA?  Why not in Hardy?  I think KDE4 is a good candidate for a blanket feature freeze waiver.
[21:09] <nixternal> well, maybe they will release a beta for 4.0.2 or soon
[21:09] <nixternal> I will ask winterz if they are planning on it, or toma if he knows anything?
[21:10] <toma> nixternal: ?
[21:11] <nixternal> do you know if there will be a kdepim release, like a beta release, anytime soon?
[21:12] <toma> nixternal: no, not really, we are planning for 4.1.0, so there will be beta releases
[21:12] <nixternal> roger that
[21:12] <toma> nixternal: but that's in a couple of monthes
[21:12] <toma> -e
[21:12] <nixternal> how is akonadi thus far? is it complete yet?
[21:13] <yuriy> really too bad it won't be used by kdepim in 4.1
[21:13] <toma> nixternal: it's getting there rapidly
[21:13] <nixternal> groovy
[21:13] <toma> yuriy: it's unrealistic to do that
[21:14] <yuriy> i understand
[21:14] <toma> yuriy: we just want the kdepim apps to be stable for 4.1.0
[21:14] <toma> then we have 6 months to 4.2.0 to port to akonadi
[21:14] <toma> in the meanwhile Mailody is porting to akonadi to find the most crucial bugs
[21:15] <toma> yuriy: we don't want to mix porting to kde4 with porting to a new framework
[21:16] <toma> yuriy: both are very sensitive to introducing bugs
[21:17] <toma> and we are playing with user data, like addresses and mail. we don't want to mess it up. it's not KChess
[21:17] <nixternal> lol
[21:32] <tekteen> I am learning PyQt and am wondering if there is something easy I can make as practice. What did you guys do?
[22:16] <ryanakca> Riddell: did you get my /msg ?
[22:17] <Riddell> oh aye


If someone uses 18.04 and prints stuff from Qt apps (like Okular, KMail, etc), please test the Qt packages in -proposed for regressions. There is a fix for default paper size (which should now match what you configured in system settings).


[17:35] <elacheche> Hello nzoueidi :) How are you doing? Hello folks!
[17:44] <nzoueidi> Hey elacheche :D
[17:44] <nzoueidi> I am fine back to the old day - using weechat in my gentoo :') :D
[17:44] <nzoueidi> How are you?
[17:45] <elacheche> Gentoo!! o_O :D Welcome to the club :D :D x) :D Since when you're using Gentoo? x)
[17:45] <elacheche> I am good thanks :)
[17:52] <nzoueidi> haha I have been using probably from March
[17:53] <nzoueidi> using it*
[17:53] <nzoueidi> I think I will stick with it :D
[17:55] <elacheche> Good choice :D I was using it for more than 2 years on my personnal laptop, I love it, I hate the compiling time.. But, that's not Gentoo's fault, it's my old Core2Duo fault.. Everything gonna be alright when I get a modern CPU :)
[17:56] <nzoueidi> Yeah, am trying tho customize it so, it can serve the need of the work
[17:56] <nzoueidi> They use a lot windows :')
[18:05] <elacheche> :D x)


[07:43] <dholbach> hey hey
[08:15] <Mister_Q> morning o/
[08:18] <svij> morning!
[17:20] <dholbach> all right my friends - I call it a day - see (some of) you at UbuCon!


[08:24] <DanaG> The FAQ really doesn't cover how to go about installing Ubuntu-Mobile in a VM, which is i386 architecture.  The lpia kernel lacks the pcnet driver that Virtualbox emulates.
[08:29] <DanaG> And "mccaslin-lpia' and 'menlow-lpia' are not very descriptive, either.
[08:38] <DanaG> Or rather, they may be very descriptive if you look up those terms, but they're not self-defining.
[08:38] <amitk> DanaG: For x86 compatibility, you want to use the mccaslin kernels (I assume you are trying the moblin ones)
[08:40] <DanaG> Well, I'm not sure where to start.
[08:40] <DanaG> I installed a base ubuntu console system in Virtualbox, and installed the ubuntu-mobile metapackage, but it seems that's not a correct way of doing it.
[08:41] <DanaG> But while I was at it, I tried the -ume kernel, and I noticed that it lacks the pcnet32 module needed for the VM's ethernet adapter.
[08:41] <DanaG> Is there a specific list somewhere, describing the difference between the -ume and the -generic kernels?
[08:42] <DanaG> Oh, and I'm on Hardy, but I could also try it from Gutsy in a VM if that'd make things better.
[08:43] <amitk> DanaG: Gutsy will definitely improve things, Hardy is still a bit raw and the compat version isn't even working.
[08:44] <amitk> DanaG: In Ubuntu, you will find 'lpia' and 'lpiacompat' flavours of the kernel. I guess you know which one to try.
[08:44] <amitk> I am not sure about the pcnet32 though.. let me check.
[08:45] <DanaG> Looking in the package manager on the host, the only result for '-lpia' is xen-hypervisor-lpia.
[08:46] <DanaG> If possible, I'd like to run the bootstrap without having to do a full Ubuntu install in a VM.... but oh yeah, I already have the base there.  I guess I can start the image builder in that system.
[08:52] <amitk> DanaG: Exactly. Run image-creator inside your Gutsy or Hardy system - it should create the needed rootstrap for you
[08:54] <DanaG> Aah, I'll have to do that tomorrow when I'm on campus -- 3 megabits at home doesn't cut it, but even WiFi at school (if the servers are fast enough) will work well.
[08:58] <DanaG> I'm glad Virtualbox has USB support -- that'll let me hand a 'pegasus'-based USB ethernet adapter to the guest.
[09:31] <dholbach> hey seb128 :)
[09:32] <dholbach> hey amitk :)
[09:32] <seb128> hello dholbach
[09:32] <amitk> dholbach: Hey Daniel, Happy new year
[09:32] <dholbach> to you guys too :)
[09:37] <DanaG> oh yeah, dholbach: are you the one who created the 'oransun' theme?   (sources.list line: deb http://daniel.holba.ch/art-builder/publish/ ./ )
[09:38] <dholbach> DanaG: no, I'm sorry - it was let me look it up
[09:39] <dholbach> Iacopo Masi
[09:39] <dholbach> iacopo-masi in Launchpad
[09:39] <DanaG> aah.  I see, the name confused me.
[09:40] <DanaG> Anyway, this Zen metacity theme works well with it:  http://jp.bizet.free.fr/themes/gnome.html
[10:26] <asac> raji: just open a bug and ping me about it ;)
[13:56] <asac> raji: i plan to do an update of nm-applet tomorrow or so btw.
[22:30] <inuka>  ping bryce,
[22:33] <bryce> yes?
[23:35] <lakrit1> hi, where can I find the source code for gnome-volume-applet? Is it the same as gnome-volume-manager?
[23:36] <lakrit1> sorry, wrong channel =)


[08:45] <jphilips> any particular reasons Unit193
[08:45] <jphilips> we could like to the magnetic link or a .torrent file hosted on xubuntu.org
[08:49] <Unit193> Because at the end of the day, it's not really official, it's still a "community build" so a mention in the notes seems fine, but a link on the download page seems a bit too official, at least to me.
[09:00] <jphilips> what would it take to make it official?
[10:17] <bluesabre> I am so sorry for the amount of bug mail many of you just received :)
[16:26] <jphilips> bluesabre: might have been good to have a link from each launchpad bug to the github issue
[16:27] <bluesabre> jphilips: it's there, on the right
[16:27] <bluesabre> and at the top
[16:27] <jphilips> see it on the right but not at the top
[16:28] <bluesabre> Which bug?
[16:28] <jphilips> https://bugs.launchpad.net/menulibre/+bug/1877645
[16:28] <jphilips> https://bugs.launchpad.net/menulibre/+bug/1882619
[16:28] <bluesabre> It's linked in the Assigned to column
[16:28] <jphilips> oh okay. thought it would be text somewhere more visible :D
[16:29] <bluesabre> Yeah, nice feature in LP, not quite as nice presentation
[16:29] <bluesabre> :)
[16:29] <jphilips> adding a comment with the link like how xfce did with bugzilla is the easiest thing to spot :D
[16:29] <bluesabre> Requires a lot more work
[16:30] <bluesabre> (Wasn't an automated process, connecting all of those on the LP side)
[16:30] <jphilips> definitely wouldnt want you to do it if it required alot of work.
[16:31] <jphilips> so has bug reporting on menulibre on launchpad been closed?
[16:31] <bluesabre> It can still be reported against the ubuntu package
[16:31] <bluesabre> But the main issue tracker is on GitHub now
[16:31] <bluesabre> Since it's not a xubuntu-specific project/package
[16:34] <jphilips> is lightdm not already translated?
[16:34] <bluesabre> Not fully
[16:34] <bluesabre> Translations in LP have been really slow the last few years
[16:35] <jphilips> so the translation on xubuntu's transifex is not limited to just xubuntu then
[16:36] <bluesabre> Xubuntu is effectively the maintainer for lightdm-gtk-greeter, and it's a core app
[16:36] <jphilips> working on our list of default apps by comparing it with windows and other linux distros - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TiVcXNSfiDkwIIonz5WyBFAcTkg-hw7iIVzDH6_gsME/edit#gid=0
[16:51] <jphilips> which flavors/distros are using lightdm-gtk-greeter?
[16:52] <bluesabre> Xubuntu, Ubuntu Studio, Ubuntu Budgie, Ubuntu Mate, Fedora Xfce (I think), Debian Xfce
[16:52] <bluesabre> It's pretty widely used
[17:00] <jphilips> okay let me put out a call for contributors and CC those distros in it :D
[18:12] <Unit193> ...I'd really prefer actual reasoning rather than "But they're doing it", what do *we* need and what do *our* users want, not what does Manjaro's users want (because Manjaro is better at being Manjaro than we are, obviously.)
[18:32] <jphilips> you can find some of my reasoning for the ones proposed in the ML here - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2020-March/011877.html
[18:34] <jphilips> community feedback on social media has also been pulled for some things like for whether a gui package manager is useful - https://twitter.com/Xubuntu/status/1245327919825801217
[18:37] <Unit193> That's what gnome-software claims to be.
[18:40] <Unit193> Last time someone brought up Synaptic, snap support and how well it was maintained were both brought up.  I'd still say it works better than the center, but that's just me. :P
[18:45] <jphilips> synaptic works alot better than center, maybe not for easy discoverability of apps, but definitely for management.
[18:46] <jphilips> from the distros listed, only xubuntu uses gnome software, all the rest use something else
[18:46] <jphilips> :D
[18:47] <Unit193> That's not interesting, what would be interesting is which Ubuntu flavors use it, or another center.
[18:47] <jphilips> ubuntu uses snap store, ubuntu mate uses boutique, kubuntu uses discover
[18:48] <jphilips> not sure what lubuntu and the newer flavors use
[18:48] <Unit193> Moun, for KDE IIRC.
[18:49] <jphilips> moun is the package manager not the software center
[18:49] <Unit193> Seems nothing seeds synaptic.
[18:51] <Unit193> Pros: It actually works, it doesn't randomly turn into a snap.  Cons: It isn't the most user friendly, if it breaks nobody but us has to care, no snap support.
[18:54] <jphilips> would assume if you installed chromium it would still install the snap
[18:55] <jphilips> those who want user friendly go for software center, those who want more control go with synaptic
[18:56] <jphilips> bluesabre: ubuntu mate doesn't seem to be using lightdm gtk greeter
[18:57] <bluesabre> Based that on `apt-cache rdepends`, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2nrDY6f7YH/
[18:58] <bluesabre> Yes, chromium would still install the snap, because there is no deb-packaged chromium in ubuntu
[19:00] <jphilips> bluesabre: ubuntu has mahjong installed by default ;)
[20:05] <jphilips> seems mate and budgie use the slick-greeter
[20:05] <jphilips> budgie uses gnome software
[23:04] <jphilips> have others seen this before, that thunar and a few other xfce apps have no icons in software - https://imgur.com/weyehGM.png
[23:06] <jphilips> guess it must be the same no icon bug reported before the release. seems it still hasn't been fixed
[23:25] <jphilips> anyone know what the green 1 in the installed tab means


[19:11] <brandor5> Hello everyone: I'm trying to use autopilot to install openstack... after pluggin in my maas info and hitting continue i get the following error: "error: flag provided but not defined: --up-tools"
[19:15] <brandor5> anyone have any idea what's going on?
[19:30] <brandor5> anyone?


[00:17] <setuid> Is there an easy way to have rhino parse commadline args? Something like 'rhino script.js 234', where I want to pass that number in as argv[0]
[00:17] <setuid> I'm trying to test a windsock program, want to throw a random pile of degrees at it
[00:18] <Unit193> setuid: Hello, I think you've found the wrong channel, you might want a specific rhino channel or perhaps #ubuntu?
[00:18] <setuid> arg, wrong channel, I'm sorry. It jumped me from #javascript to here
[00:20] <Unit193> \o/
[05:27] <Tm_T> hola
[05:36] <Unit193> Howdy, Tm_T.


[02:41] <MangoBoy> Hi i got a problem loosing taskbar in pcmanfm and would need a clue .. also got problem with vlc only works maximized...
[02:43] <MangoBoy> I would truly be thankfull for any hints.. I am verry comfuced about theming and frames and windowmanaging..
[03:01] <holstein> MangoBoy: vlc for audio?
[03:01] <holstein> the video only plays full screen?
[03:01] <holstein> if you are using compiz, try not using compiz..
[04:32] <elspru> hi how do I make my second monitor as the other virtual desktop
[04:35] <SpyderZ> Okay, so I'm at the edge of my abilities, and I'm looking for help installing a java program from source. I'vec compiled it, and I can get it to run, but I don't know how to "Install" it from here. ;?
[04:37] <holstein> elspru: not sure about that.. i have only ever extended the current desktop to it
[04:37] <SpyderZ> By "Install" I mean getting it from the compiled source directory to the rest of the filesystem, and with a link in the launcher. I'm sure this is entry level stuff, so I'm sorry to bother about it. ;?
[04:39] <holstein> SpyderZ: i have only ever run java apps like this "java -jar '/path/to/.jar'"
[04:39] <holstein> !java
[04:40] <elspru> apt-get install default-jre
[04:40] <holstein> if that doesnt help, you'll need to ask the maintainer of the application how you are meant to run it
[04:42] <SpyderZ> Heh, I have the JRE, JDK, and ANT which this program required to compile it. After compiling it, I can use "ANT run <App Name>" to run it, but I'm looking to make it a permanent addition to my desktop.
[04:45] <holstein> i mean, if its running, its running.. you can add the startup script to a launcher
[04:59] <SpyderZ> As I'm relatively new to the Linux filesystem. What I'm trying to do is the Linux equivilent of moving the compiled directory to the Linux version of "Program Files", and then yes, adding it to the Launcher. One of the potential misconceptions I have is that once compiled, I didn't think I'd need to continue using "ANT" to run it. This may just be ignorance on my part. Even so, I'm trying to "Correctly" set this program up like the
[04:59] <SpyderZ> through the software center.
[05:01] <holstein> SpyderZ: you can set it up however the maintainer makes that possible and however you would like.. what would i do? make a launcher with the startup script in it
[05:04] <SpyderZ> So the command ANT run <App> is a perfectly acceptable way to have things "Running
[05:04] <SpyderZ> " in Linux?
[05:05] <holstein> SpyderZ: in java
[05:05] <holstein> SpyderZ: thats a java app
[05:05] <holstein> SpyderZ: you didnt get if from "linux" or from lubuntu.. or from the software center.. if thats how the application is intended to run, then its fine
[05:06] <SpyderZ> Mkay. There's obviously a lot I need to familiarize myself with in Linux.  It asks me for a username and password.
[06:24] <tsimpson> manacit: it should log you in automatically,  but try ubuntu:ubuntu (or maybe lubuntu:lubuntu)
[06:27] <manacit> It looks like blank/blank should work, but it throws me right back at the login screens
[06:27] <manacit> I'm not sure if its that something is crashing, or if I'm doing it wrongs
[06:28] <manacit> Wrong rather
[06:29] <tsimpson> I'd guess it's the former
[06:32] <Noskcaj> manacit, make sure you have an official release, you sometimes get stuff like that in daily's
[06:32] <Noskcaj> or you didn't md5
[20:19] <poq> Hi all. Why is self-written gtk app looks like windows 2000? Lubuntu 12.04 http://tau.rghost.ru/private/42347095/ed87dc7599a4d70c354a1b23ffaceaaa/image.png
[22:22] <linuxman> hi
[22:23] <linuxman> i am not able to listen to audio on my headphones,  i am using lubuntu 12.10
[22:23] <linuxman> on the alsa mixer, i have selected my card to be the "usb headphones", however sound i still coming through my speakers, not headphones.
[22:26] <linuxman> this happens only on lubuntu..
[22:35] <linuxman> bump


[05:36] <Squirm> morning
[06:24] <Kilos> morning all :-)
[06:38] <HawkiesZA> Morning Kilos
[06:56] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[06:57] <Vince-0> hi Kilos !
[07:14] <Kilos> hi morgs
[07:14] <morgs> morning
[07:51] <Kilos> môre inetpro
[07:59] <Kilos> morning gwood
[08:00] <Kilos> HawkiesZA, are you familiar with 3g and network manager
[08:01] <Kilos> i just wanna check that the signal strength shown on nm shouldnt vary if one can see the tower should it?
[08:02] <Kilos> shows full strength on fone but on nm it is up and down here
[08:03] <Kilos> wanna fone and rev 8ta a bit , but dont want to seem too stupid
[08:06] <HawkiesZA> Nah, signal could vary on the modem but not on the phone
[08:07] <Kilos> aw
[08:07] <Kilos> so its then their equipment that sucks
[08:07] <Kilos> ty
[08:08] <HawkiesZA> Kilos, no, it's just the nature of 3G
[08:08] <Kilos> oh
[08:15] <HawkiesZA> Does the modem drop completely or is it just fluctuating?
[08:29] <Kilos> it shows normally 3 bars but latelt drops to 1 bar then i only get 1650 b/s
[08:29] <Kilos> latest
[08:29] <Kilos> and opening links takes forever
[08:31] <Kilos> thats surely them clamping it?
[08:36] <Kilos> got them on fone now
[08:57] <Symmetria> Kilos, check this: http://valhalla.clue.be/~vort/wildlife/cheetah.jpg
[08:58] <Symmetria> (yes, its 2.4 meg big, but that is such an awesome shot)
[08:59] <Kilos> lol Symmetria
[08:59] <Kilos> you gone camera mad
[09:00] <Kilos> just busy with 8ta
[09:00] <Symmetria> Kilos lol you gotta admit though thats such an awesome shot
[09:00] <Kilos> they opening a new case as the old one was closed
[09:00] <Kilos> grrr
[09:01] <Kilos> yip Symmetria beautiful
[09:01] <Kilos> now get 8ta to fix whatever they gotta fix
[09:05] <Kilos> you shoulda called them and said smile for the shot
[09:05] <Symmetria> lol
[09:06] <Symmetria> I got a few more of them actually cleaning each other but aint editted them yet and their res is so huge its not practical to put them online till I dot hat
[09:06] <Kilos> tell me something first
[09:07] <Kilos> is there a way i can hassle my 8ta connection till it speeds up
[09:07] <Kilos> or hassles them so they fix it asap
[09:08] <Kilos> you arent the network guru for nothing
[09:08] <Kilos> morning superfly
[09:09] <superfly> hi Kilos
[09:09] <Symmetria> Kilos
[09:09] <Symmetria> 8ta is part of telkom
[09:09] <Symmetria> therefore, its broken by nature
[09:09] <Symmetria> and any fixing it would be defying the very laws of the universe
[09:09] <Symmetria> ;p
[09:10] <Kilos> hahaha help me force them to fix it man
[09:10] <Kilos> it was good for a long time
[09:11] <Kilos> or i gotta start tweeting their CEO daily and i hate twitter
[09:43] <trender> (.)(.)
[09:43] <trender>   __
[09:44] <inetpro> good morning Kilos, and everyone else
[09:45] <Kilos> lo inetpro
[09:49] <HawkiesZA> Morning inetpro
[09:50] <inetpro> 02/05 11:09:31 <Symmetria> and any fixing it would be defying the very laws of the universe
[09:51] <Kilos> lol
[09:51] <inetpro> Maaz: Symmetria ++ [fixing Telkom would be defying the laws of the universe]
[09:52] <inetpro> it's a sad case
[09:53] <Kilos> we just gotta tweet the ceo inetpro
[09:53] <inetpro> so much potential there yet so little effort that seems to be channeled in the direction to fix things up
[09:54] <Kilos> will see now after this mornings fone call
[10:07] <Kilos> inetpro, its no good just sitting back and complaining , all 8ta peeps must let them selves be heard then only will something happen
[10:08] <Kilos> when waves get big you gotta jumps to keep head above water
[10:08] <Kilos> jump
[10:08] <inetpro> Kilos: my problems with 8ta are relatively minor
[10:08] <Kilos> its called rocking the boat
[10:08] <Kilos> speed?
[10:09] <Kilos> thats my only prob now
[10:09] <inetpro> my speed is quite stable
[10:09] <Kilos> connection does drop but speed sucks
[10:09] <Kilos> doesnt
[10:09] <Kilos> stable at how much?
[10:10] <inetpro> yes it slows down at times and yes sometimes I have connectivity issues but I can live with those at the price that we pay compared to other networks
[10:11] <inetpro> my 8ta connection is more stable than Vodacom
[10:11] <Kilos> my only prob is the speed
[10:12] <Kilos> there seems to be a connection prob between customer care and the technicians
[10:12] <Kilos> this morning the data guys told me the case i was working on  had been closed
[10:13] <Kilos> but the customer care peeps kept saying they are logging on it and reporting
[10:25] <Kilos> wbb going to kde
[10:29] <Kilos> hmm...
[11:49] <inetpro> Maaz: ftp
[11:49] <Maaz> Dump FTP! http://www.43folders.com/2008/07/14/dump-ftp see also: FTP must Die!! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie
[11:50] <inetpro> Maaz: thanks
[11:50] <Maaz> inetpro: Okay :-)
[11:50]  * inetpro feels better now
[11:59] <Vince-0> surp durp
[11:59] <Vince-0> checking out Jaque Raymer's custom distro: http://www.makululinux.com/ - looks to be Ubuntu based
[13:03] <Kilos> hmm...
[13:04] <Kilos> trying to remastersys on kde today
[13:16] <HawkiesZA> Looks like that's becoming System Imager
[13:17] <HawkiesZA> http://www.remastersys.com/
[13:17] <HawkiesZA> Dev sounds angry
[13:31] <Kilos> it works on ubuntu now we see the kde result
[13:39] <Kilos> takes a long time to make that custom dvd though
[13:43] <Kilos> actually the custom iso , burning the dvd is chop chop
[13:48] <magespawn> afternoon all
[13:50] <HawkiesZA> yo magespawn
[13:52] <magespawn> what's up today?
[13:52] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[13:52] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[13:52] <Kilos> you win laddy?
[13:53] <magespawn> looks like it
[13:56] <Kilos> yay what did you find?
[13:58] <magespawn> looks like the one switch was getting overloaded and would drop the internet off, as it has the least amount of traffic
[13:59] <magespawn> but we are still running the monitering software
[13:59] <Kilos> ah
[14:00] <Kilos> in winsucks?
[14:00] <Kilos> shame
[14:00] <magespawn> no linux, i left a laptop plugged into their network
[14:00] <tonberryE352> burn the switch
[14:01] <Kilos> ah
[14:01] <magespawn> the switch is probably faulty, so yes tonberryE352, time for a new one
[14:13] <Kilos> interesting to watch remastersys working, it does lotsa stuff
[14:15] <Kilos> tempporarily copies /var and /etc to somwhere
[16:31] <Kilos> oh my, remaster sys did something to kde, boots to prompt and i forgot the command to start the gui
[16:31] <Kilos> didnt do anything to unity
[16:32] <Kilos> when i use sudo service kdm start it says its already running
[16:32] <Kilos> grrr
[17:23] <magespawn> Kilos ping
[17:23] <Cantide> magespawn pong
[17:24] <Kilos> magespawn, pong
[17:24] <Kilos> hi Cantide
[17:24] <Cantide> hello Kilos and magespawn :)
[17:24] <magespawn> hi Cantide
[17:24] <Kilos> you supposed to great before chatting
[17:24] <magespawn> Kilos: is it not startx?
[17:25] <Kilos> oh ya that sounds familiar ty magespawn
[17:26] <magespawn> np
[17:30] <Kilos> lo Trixar_za
[17:51] <Trixar_za> lo Kilos
[17:51] <Kilos> lo Trixar_za
[17:53] <Kilos> wb Vince-0
[17:53] <Vince-0> hey
[17:54] <Vince-0> bbl
[17:54] <Kilos> hehe
[18:14] <inetpro> good evening
[18:14] <inetpro> Kilos: did startx work?
[18:16] <Kilos> i still on unity inetpro
[18:16] <Kilos> wb
[18:45]  * Squirm looks around
[18:46] <Squirm> hi
[18:46] <Kilos> hi Squirm y
[18:52] <superfly> I doubt startx will be of any help - kdm runs startx, in essence. it's more likely a problem with graphics card drivers
[18:53] <Kilos> ive tried nvidia-173 reinstall but same thing superfly
[18:53] <Kilos> and kdm
[18:54] <superfly> Kilos: did you try purging nvidia-304 ?
[18:54] <superfly> then again, nvidia-173 should have removed 304
[18:54] <Kilos> nope where would that have got in?
[18:55] <nuvolari> o/ hi oom Kilos
[18:55] <nuvolari> lo superfly
[18:55] <Kilos> i think once before i installed xorg and it came right but not sure anymore
[18:55] <nuvolari> lo Squirm , ThatGraemeGuy, inetpro
[18:55] <Kilos> lo nuvolari
[18:56] <superfly> hi nuvolari
[18:56] <superfly> nuvolari: Pyramid + Google App Engine = yummy
[18:59] <nuvolari> meh, I'm off GAE for the time being. Boss can't make up his mind on using GAE or not
[18:59] <superfly> nuvolari: I'm fiddling with a Python app for GAE
[18:59] <superfly> then I don't have to care about scalability
[19:00] <nuvolari> it is refreshing taking a break from JEE - GAE was fun!
[19:00] <nuvolari> hello Cantide
[19:00] <Cantide> hello :)
[19:09] <Kilos> superfly, so what do i try if startx dont work
[19:09] <superfly> Kilos: startx won't work
[19:09] <Kilos> uh oh
[19:09] <superfly> Kilos: startx is an old command which should not be used unless you know why you're using it
[19:10] <nuvolari> *cough* I was under impression that it should, well, start X :P
[19:10] <superfly> nuvolari: if you'd been keeping track of Kilos's conversation, you'd see why startx won't work
[19:11] <nuvolari> oh, sorry, not been keeping track
[19:11] <Kilos> did remastersys kill it?
[19:11] <superfly> Kilos: what does /var/log/Xorg.0.log say?
[19:11] <Kilos> sec lemme try find it
[19:12] <superfly> Kilos: it's a file, not a command. You want to look for lines that start with "EE"
[19:12] <superfly> [    27.955] (EE) ...
[19:12] <Kilos> i can do that from this drive to that one cant i?
[19:13] <superfly> Kilos: as long as you have the drive mounted, and you're looking at the right file
[19:13] <Kilos> ok lemme try
[19:16] <Kilos> aw cant open it
[19:17]  * inetpro taking an early nap
[19:17] <inetpro> good night everyone
[19:17] <Kilos> there is /var/log/Xorg.1.log that i can open
[19:17] <nuvolari> o/ night inetpro
[19:17] <Kilos> night inetpro
[19:18] <Kilos> sleep tight
[19:19] <Kilos> eek its massive
[19:19] <Kilos> (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)
[19:20] <Kilos> is that it superfly ?
[19:20] <superfly> Kilos: that looks like one of them. is this on the other drive?
[19:20] <superfly> Kilos: are you sure you're not looking at this hard drive?
[19:21] <superfly> where's your other hard drive mounted?
[19:22] <Kilos> ini went from home to it
[19:22] <Kilos> it shows on the launcher as mounted
[19:23] <Kilos> called 18g filesystem
[19:27] <superfly> OK. are there any other lines that start with EE ?
[19:27] <Kilos> that might also be mavericks
[19:28] <Kilos> whew three drives on one pc can bamfoozle one when there are probs
[19:32] <Kilos> eish internet even slow on slexy.org
[19:39] <Kilos> superfly, im not getting even the short good one pasted to slexy
[19:40] <Kilos>  and sukkeling to stay up here now. will remove maverick tomorrow and go from there. ty for the help
[19:41] <superfly> OK
[19:42] <superfly> Kilos: that bit of an error message you showed me says that you don't have the nVidia drivers insdtalled
[19:43] <Kilos> i dunno why i installed nvidia-173 when i was logged in on the prompt
[19:43] <Kilos> but actually i saw something funny too
[19:44] <Kilos> saw gdm somewhere ant that kde boots differently to others so maybe i installed gdm sometime
[19:44] <Kilos> i will try sudo gdm start there and see  if thats it
[19:44] <Kilos> but tomorrow
[19:45] <Kilos> night all sleep tight
[19:45] <superfly> Kilos: do you have both gdm and kdm installed?
[19:45] <superfly> no wonder you're having issues!
[19:45] <Kilos> i dunno superfly
[19:45] <Kilos> will boot with only that drive in then i cant make mistakes
[19:46] <Kilos> hehe i do funny things when head crooked
[19:46] <Kilos> and it was running so lekker too
[19:46] <Kilos> night


[01:56] <devral> my ubuntu server install keeps hanging and I don't get it..it hangs right after "Freeing unused kernel memory: 1102k freed"
[01:58] <devral> two things that may help are: "VFS: Mounted root ext4 filesystem readonly" and "ext3-fs sda2 error: couldn't mount because of unsupported optional features (240)" and also "ext4-fs sda2: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode Opts: null"
[01:59] <dandkburt> Devral
[02:00] <dandkburt> is it the server or the desktop your trying to install
[02:01] <devral> it's the server. I've had it installed for months. it was working, then just started doing it suddenly after a power failure
[02:02] <dandkburt> what ver
[02:03] <devral> 12.10
[02:03] <dandkburt> can I pm you
[02:03] <devral> sure
[04:58] <petey> hello would anyone know why my /etc/mysql/my.cnf would be empty?
[04:59] <sarnold> petey: it's easy to empty a file with > -- just > /etc/mysql/my.conf would do it
[04:59] <petey> how do i repopulate it with the information it needs to run properly?
[04:59] <petey> mysql -V and all the jazz of creating databases works, i just cant optimize my mysql config!
[06:08] <Yuvraj> hi
[09:38] <jolaren> I was fiddling and trying to get my certificate to work but now after switching everything back I can't get my website to be displayed outside the lan :(.. what did I Do?
[09:41] <jolaren> I solved it by disabling 443 in ports.conf
[09:41] <jolaren> hmm
[11:34] <lolyp0p> hi all, i'm trying to set up a vpn connection on a server I only can acces via ssh(or a 6ours-train-trip), so I'm a bit afraid to do it as if I make the server lose internetconnection, I'd be very annoying for me... I tought about using this step-by-step http://cviorel.easyblog.ro/2009/02/09/how-to-set-up-a-vpn-server-on-ubuntu/ , does anyone have any "better" guide? (server : ubuntu 10.04)
[11:35] <lolyp0p> (ifconfig output : http://paste.ubuntu.com/5667063/)(my main problem is I'm not used to work on server and the ifconfig output isn't the same as on a normal computer, I don't know what I should put in "remoteip" and "localip"))
[14:20] <GeekDude> What is the best/easiest way to view and edit your firewall?
[14:21] <resno> ufw
[14:21] <resno> comes to mind
[14:22] <resno> GeekDude: best / easiest is subjective
[14:22] <resno> some would say, iptables is the best (direct control)
[14:22] <resno> others would say ufw is good
[14:22] <resno> i personally use cfs...
[14:24] <shauno> iptables wins points for viewing, simply because it'll show them no matter what frontend (ufw etc) created them.  but if you even have to ask, it's probably going to fail you on all other fronts.
[14:36] <halvors> I'm trying to setup nagios3 on ubuntu-server 13.04.
[14:37] <halvors> I found that there is a lot of commands in the /usr/lib/nagio3/plugins folder. But none of this can actually be used as a service in my switch.cfg file...
[14:37] <halvors> Is there any way i can actually use all these plugins that i've installed?
[14:41] <Pici> halvors: you'd need to define commands for them.
[14:41] <halvors> hmm.
[14:41] <halvors> In the /etc/nagios3/conf.d/services_nagios2.cfg?
[14:41] <Pici> You may want to check out nagios's online documentation, it can get kind of complicated.
[14:42] <halvors> Shouldn't this been included by the package?
[14:42] <Pici> I don't know what a default nagios3 install looks like anymore, sorry.
[14:42] <halvors> Pici: Nagios's documentation and ubuntu's nagios package seems to differ when it comes to configuration files...
[14:43] <halvors> Pici: Do you know any services.cfg file i can get from the net that covers all the plugins?
[14:44] <Pici> halvors: its all very fluid. You can call the files whatever you want as long as they are referenced in your nagios.cfg file
[15:20] <halvors> Pici: Do you know the command for monitoring the port status using snmp
[15:21] <ZarroBoogs> halvors: Sorry, I don't have any snmp commands setup on my nagios install here, and even if I did, I don't know the MIB for that.
[15:22] <halvors> hmm. The commands seems to be "check_snmp!-C public -o ifOperStatus.1 -r 1 -m RFC1213-MIB" in the nagios docs, but that doesn't work on ubuntu.
[15:22] <halvors> Also width the ubuntu package...
[16:02] <guma> when I am trying to do gcore I am getting at times this messages... warning: Memory read failed for corefile section, 1048576 bytes at 0x7f700846c000. What can cause this? (Ubuntu 12.10 x64)
[16:28] <sarnold> guma: does /proc/pid/maps show that area lacking read permission?
[16:28] <guma> sarnold: let me check
[16:30] <guma> sarnold: I never looked this befroe. I am new to this. I am assuming you asking me to check range for 0x7f700846c000?
[16:31] <sarnold> guma: yeah
[16:32] <guma> sarnold: 7f700846c000-7f700866b000 ---p 0000c000 08:12 2097441                    /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libnss_files-2.15.so
[16:32] <guma> I guess so :)
[16:32] <guma> why would this be?
[16:35] <sarnold> good question :) I wonder the utility of a mapping with no privileges..
[16:38] <halvors> I'm trying to use snmp with nagios, but are getting the error "Error: Service check command 'check_snmp' specified in service 'Uptime' for host 'infected-tech' not defined anywhere!"
[16:38] <halvors> Anyone knows why?
[16:50] <andol> halvors: Well, have you defined the service command check_snmp anywhere? :)
[16:51] <andol> halvors: Unsure on how familiar you are with Nagios, but having a check_snmp service command is separate from possibly having a binary withthe same name.
[16:52] <andol> halvors: As an example, take a look in /etc/nagios-plugins/config/ping.cfg and you will see the service command check_ping using the check_ping plugin, but also a bunch of other service commands relying on the same plugin
[16:53] <guma> sarnold: I am wondering is ubuntu has some special security "enabled" that does lock some areas...
[16:53] <sarnold> guma: not that I'm aware of..
[16:54] <guma> sarnold: what makes me think about this that this is libnss.
[16:56] <sarnold> guma: on my bash, libc, libdl, libtinfo, libnss_files, libnss_nis, libnsl, libnss_compat all have mode ---p ...
[16:56] <guma> ok
[16:56] <guma> ok so perhaps this is how it is and gdb should just be "silent" about this...
[16:57] <guma> I was just worrying that something really odd going on. But looks like you have this too :)
[17:28] <Quest> hi
[17:30] <halvors> andol: But why isn't it there by default?
[17:30] <Quest>  Is there ANY way, if I have multiple dsl / internet connections (e.g 2mbps, 1 mbps, 2 mbps) , to use them as a combined strength of 5 mbps?
[17:33] <halvors> andol: What will the command be then?
[17:33] <sarnold> Quest: chapter 4 of the LARTC guide may help: http://lartc.org/howto/
[17:40] <Quest> sarnold,  hm.. so its possible?
[17:41] <RoyK> Quest: not for single connections, but you can combine them so that different connections use varying paths
[17:41] <sarnold> Quest: yeah; I'd have thought it would require running a routing daemon to do a good job, but that guide makes it look surprisingly feasible.
[17:42] <Quest> k
[17:42] <RoyK> sarnold: no point in running a BGP or OSPF daemon without one on the other end of the links
[17:42] <sarnold> RoyK: indeed.
[17:42] <sarnold> RoyK: aka "well beyond my pay grade" :)
[17:44] <RoyK> but yes, it's possible with some LARTC tweaks to make it work (somehow)
[17:53] <Quest>  when i press tab key when typeing a path name like /etc/apache2  at the point /etc/apac   when tab is pressed. it doesnot auto completes the name to apache2 . rather it adds a tab space.   this behavriour is different from all the vps I ever used. why is that? aim on ssh
[17:54] <zatricky> Quest: Is bash-completion installed and are you using bash or a different shell?
[17:55] <andol> halvors: Well, does any of the commands in /etc/nagios-plugins/config/snmp.cfg satisfy what you need to check? Otherwise, just create your own, and use them as examples/inspiration.
[17:56] <andol> halvors: I mean, the way the service commands are defined is all about what parameters you want to be able to pass to the plugin.
[17:56] <Quest> zatricky,  iam on ssh by console
[17:56] <Quest> zatricky,  I dont know about bash completeion
[17:57] <RoyK> Quest: which shell?
[17:57] <RoyK> Quest: ps $$
[17:57] <sarnold> Quest: dpkg -l bash-completion will tell you about the bash-completion package
[17:57] <RoyK> sarnold: bash doesn't need that for tab expansion - that package just makes it better
[17:57]  * RoyK guesses Quest is using dash
[17:58] <RoyK> (or tab completion, even)
[17:59] <tonyyarusso> Does anybody actually understand what makes the MOTD say "X packages are security updates"?  I just had that in there, but doing an 'apt-get -s upgrade' everything was from -updates, not -security.
[18:00] <jdstrand> tonyyarusso: /etc/update-motd.d/90-updates-available
[18:01] <Quest> RoyK,  I have command concole in my linux OS. and the vps iam sshing is also linux
[18:01] <jdstrand> tonyyarusso: note that security updates are copied from security.ubuntu.com (ie, -security) to archive.ubuntu.com (ie, -updates) within an hour of publication
[18:01] <RoyK> Quest: ps $$ ?
[18:01] <jdstrand> tonyyarusso: for mirroring
[18:01] <tonyyarusso> jdstrand: aaah, hrm.  So there must be some separate marker then.
[18:02] <Quest> sarnold,    bash-completion                            1:1.3-1ubuntu8                             programmable completion for the bash shell
[18:02] <Quest> RoyK,  ps $ ? whats that
[18:02] <zatricky> type the "ps $$" in the shell without the quotes
[18:02] <RoyK> ps $$ prints the process info of the current process (your shell)
[18:02] <zatricky> its two dollar-signs
[18:02] <sarnold> Quest: is it 'ii ' or some other status? 'ii ' indicates installed without error
[18:03] <Quest> RoyK,  yes. i noticed that the differenct amoungs other vps and this is that its only shows $  rather  user@someipt$
[18:03] <Quest> sarnold,  ii
[18:03] <RoyK> Quest: its output should be something like this http://paste.ubuntu.com/5668131/
[18:03] <jdstrand> tonyyarusso: looks like /usr/lib/update-notifier/apt-check is what generates the actual message
[18:04] <Quest> mine is like this
[18:04] <Quest> PID TTY      STAT   TIME COMMAND
[18:04] <Quest>  3371 pts/0    Ss     0:00 -sh
[18:04] <RoyK> Quest: chsh -s /bin/bash
[18:05] <sarnold> RoyK: another guess well guessed.  But 'sh' is not very friendly. 'bash' is friendlier to more people.
[18:12]  * RoyK has no idea why dash should be the default shell, since it's not like we're killing our computers running bash
[18:13] <sarnold> RoyK: it might be a reasonably VPS setting though, they might give him only 128 M or something. if you're not using those extra features, that extra megabyte might be awesome :)
[18:13] <Quest> hm
[18:13] <RoyK> setting SHELL=/bin/bash in /etc/default/useradd makes bash the standard shell for new users
[18:13] <Quest> )
[18:14] <Quest> :)
[18:14] <Quest> hm
[18:14] <Quest> the admin made my account incompitentlt
[18:14] <Quest> y
[18:15] <RoyK> sarnold: really? normally you're not logged into the box most of the time, and using dash really sucks
[18:16] <RoyK> in my 'raidtest' vm, ps v $$ tells me RSS for bash is 3376kB - not a whole lot
[18:17] <Quest> how to give /home/usename folder to the 'username' ?
[18:17] <sarnold> RoyK: I'd prefer to have it for tab-completion, but on a slow-enough link, tab completion uncertainty makes me prefer typing commands entirely...
[18:18]  * RoyK generally isn't using that slow links :P
[18:18] <sarnold> RoyK: it's jarring when on poor-quality wifi.. :)
[18:18] <Quest> the admin has sucked
[18:18] <RoyK> sometimes, ok, some Edge link out in the middle of nowhere - that can be rather bad
[18:19] <RoyK> Quest: what's bad? just the shell?
[18:19] <RoyK> that's default, btw, not the admin's fault
[18:19] <zatricky> or when the server you're looking at has unexplained high load and you need to figure it out
[18:19] <Quest> the shell is ok now. but he made my account by my name and gave my home folder as root owner
[18:19] <Quest> RoyK, ^
[18:19] <RoyK> Quest: hehe
[18:20] <Quest> RoyK,  how to own my home folder?
[18:20] <RoyK> Quest: should have just added you with 'useradd -m <username>' to have that created automatically owned by you
[18:20] <RoyK> Quest: do you have sudo access?
[18:20] <Quest> I guess
[18:20] <RoyK> sudo -i
[18:20] <Quest> I guess i couldnt without sudo access?
[18:20] <RoyK> no
[18:20] <RoyK> that's part of standard unix security
[18:21] <Quest> ya. i can sudo
[18:22] <RoyK> sudo -i; cd ~yourusername; cp -R /etc/skel/. .; chown -R yourusername:yourusername .
[18:22] <Quest> what wil  cp -R /etc/skel/ do
[18:23] <RoyK> the 'skeleton' of what should be in a homedir is in /etc/skel. that's stuff like .bashrc. if those files are there already, you don't need that part
[18:23] <RoyK> I just guessed they're not, since the dir was owned by root
[18:23] <Quest> hm
[18:25] <Quest> RoyK, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5668208/
[18:26] <RoyK> Quest: first, check if you have those files in /etc/skel/ in your homedir - just 'ls -a' in both $HOME and /etc/skel/
[18:27] <RoyK> Quest: then, if you don't, first sudo chown -R $USER:$USER $USER
[18:27] <zatricky> strictly-speaking not sure if this is server-related - battling to find a ppa or repository for sickbeard - any hints on where I should look?
[18:27] <RoyK> then cp -R /etc/skel/. . # with the dots and spaces
[18:28] <Quest> RoyK,  chown Masood /home/Masood              made drwxr-xr-x  2 Masood root 4096 Mar 27 20:45 Masood
[18:28] <RoyK> Quest: $USER:$USER, not just $USER
[18:28] <RoyK> you want the group to be changed too
[18:29] <Quest> hm
[18:29]  * RoyK wonders what sort of admin that creates usernames with initial caps
[18:29] <Quest> :) dumb admin
[18:29] <sarnold> heh
[18:29] <RoyK> no, it doesn't matter, it's just bad practice
[18:29] <zatricky> I was under the impression that a username could *not* be uppercase
[18:30] <Quest> done . Masood@li53-245:/home$ sudo chown Masood:Masood /home/Masood
[18:30] <Quest> drwxr-xr-x  2 Masood Masood 4096 Mar 27 20:45 Masood
[18:30]  * RoyK hasn't even thought of using anything but lowercase
[18:30] <RoyK> Quest: looks ok - pastebin 'ls -a $HOME'
[18:30] <sarnold> don't forget the -R ...
[18:31] <RoyK> sarnold++
[18:31] <RoyK> Quest: sudo chown -R Masood:Masood /home/Masood
[18:31] <RoyK> otherwise you'll only chown the dir, not its content
[18:32] <Quest> thanks !
[18:33] <Quest>  ls -a $HOME
[18:33] <Quest> .  ..
[18:33] <RoyK> ok, do 'cd; cp -R /etc/skel/. .'
[18:33] <RoyK> cd without arguments will send you to $HOME
[18:35] <Quest> where do i need to be while doing cd; cp -R /etc/skel/. .
[18:35] <RoyK> logged in as your user. cd alone will take you to your homedir
[18:36] <RoyK> Quest: or cp -R /etc/skel/. $HOME if you're nervous
[18:36] <Quest> RoyK, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5668248/
[18:37] <RoyK> Quest: what? no .bashrc or anything in /etc/skel/?
[18:37] <sarnold> o_O
[18:38] <Quest> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5668250/
[18:38] <RoyK> well, copy those into your homedir
[18:39] <RoyK> the cp -R command should certainly do that for you
[18:39] <Quest> RoyK,  i should cp -R    while iam in /etc/skel?
[18:39] <RoyK> just tried locally here, and it does
[18:39] <RoyK> 20:36 < RoyK> Quest: or cp -R /etc/skel/. $HOME if you're nervous
[18:40] <sarnold> yeah, my cp -R works as expected and copied the dotfiles too...
[18:40] <Quest> Masood@li53-245:/etc/skel$ cp -R
[18:40] <Quest> cp: missing file operand
[18:41] <RoyK> Quest: did you try the full command I gave you, or just cp -R? ;)
[18:42] <Quest> :/etc/skel$ cp -R /etc/skel/. .
[18:42] <Quest> cp: `/etc/skel/.' and `./.' are the same file
[18:42] <RoyK> Quest: run cd alone first to go to $home, or cp to $HOME
[18:42] <RoyK> I'm rather certain I said that
[18:43] <Quest> iam at home now. what should i type?
[18:43] <RoyK> 20:39 < RoyK> 20:36 < RoyK> Quest: or cp -R /etc/skel/. $HOME if you're nervous
[18:43] <Quest> k
[18:43] <Quest> done
[18:44] <RoyK> ls -a $HOME
[18:44] <Quest> .  ..  .bash_logout  .bashrc  .profile  www
[18:44] <RoyK> then try to log out and in again
[18:45] <Quest> .  ..  .bash_history  .bash_logout  .bashrc  .cache  .profile  www
[18:46] <Quest> RoyK,  ok?
[18:46] <sarnold> woo.
[18:46] <sarnold> Quest: now try your cd /etc/apa<tab> and see what happens. :D
[18:47] <Quest> sarnold,  that worked ages ago :)
[18:47] <Quest> RoyK,  RoyK,  so all that was for making these  bash ,cache , profile dires visible? why were they so important?
[18:47] <RoyK> your prompt should be good now too
[18:47] <Quest> yes it is
[18:47] <RoyK> Quest: no, it was to make your shell work as it should
[18:47] <Quest> hm
[18:48] <Quest> why were those files important?
[18:49] <sarnold> Quest: they're mostly important if you want to make changes to them; having the skeleton versions gives you a reasonable starting point and good comments in the files showing you some simple changes you can make
[18:49] <Quest> RoyK,  you said the admin must have done useradd -m <username> . thats the correct way of doing? if so . what would be the gourp name I would be associated to?
[18:49] <Quest> sarnold, hm
[18:50] <sarnold> Quest: 'Masood' appeared to work fine (chown didn't complain, anyway) so that should be your group. the 'id' command will show you your id, primary group, and supplementary groups
[18:51] <Quest> great
[18:51] <RoyK> Quest: not *must* have done, *should* have done
[18:51] <Quest> hm
[18:51] <RoyK> but don'1t worry about that
[18:53] <Quest> RoyK,  sarnold  thanks guys !!!!!!
[18:53] <sarnold> Quest: have fun :)
[18:53] <Quest> I will
[18:58] <Quest> I have another question that no one answered . I have this error while mounting a ntfs partition. what can be wrong http://paste.ubuntu.com/5668301/ ?
[19:00] <Quest> windows dont checks it. it says to format it
[19:02] <sarnold> Quest: I've successfully used The SluethKit to recover data from damaged NTFS filesystems in the past: http://www.sleuthkit.org/
[19:02] <Quest> hm
[19:02] <Quest> recuva is also good. but I dont want to see my partition go in recovery
[19:03] <RoyK> Quest: then don't use NTFS :P
[19:03] <Quest> hm
[19:04] <RoyK> I use ext4 and xfs on my systems, depending on how large disk systems I have
[19:04] <Quest> RoyK,  I heard linux ext4 data cannot be recovered as linux dels the files from hd. ntfs or fat32 only dels the reference
[19:05] <RoyK> Quest: well, most filesystems don't have undelete built-in as bad design like fat32 and perhaps ntfs has. they either remove a file when told to, or keep snapshots to allow rollback. the fat32 way is just very bad design
[19:06] <RoyK> Quest: keep a backup - that works - on all filesystems
[19:06] <Quest> is ext3 or ntfs most difficult to recover?
[19:07] <RoyK> neither is hard to recover with a backup ;)
[19:07] <sarnold> Quest: ext4 _can_ be configured to tell the block layer to throw away the data when it is no longer needed, via the 'discard' mount option, but since the TRIM command is a non-queuable command, it somewhat stalls the IO pipeline...
[19:08] <Quest> hm
[19:08] <Quest> is ext3 or ntfs most difficult to recover (assumed theres not backup)
[19:08] <sarnold> Quest: the source code for ext3 is easily available. NTFS source is not. ext3 is likely more recoverable, but .. you should not be in that position in the first place. backups. :)
[19:08] <RoyK> sarnold: I think Quest means he wants extN or whatever fs to misbehave like fat32
[19:09] <sarnold> RoyK: oof. the number of mistakes in fat32...
[19:09] <RoyK> Quest: I want my filesystems to remove a file when I tell them to
[19:10] <RoyK> Quest: if you want snapshots, zfs has it, btrfs has it, lvm has it (somewhat buggy, but hell, better than nothing), xfs might get it soon
[19:12] <Quest> i just wanted to know on which files system files can be recovered most easily if damaged
[19:13] <RoyK> good filesystems don't get very easily damaged
[19:13] <RoyK> fat32 gets very easily damaged, since it's a lousy filesystem
[19:14] <RoyK> ext4 checksums metadata, meaning it'll know if something goes wrong on the lower levels
[19:14] <RoyK> zfs/btrfs checksums everything, meaning it'll know if a single bitflop happened
[19:14] <sarnold> is btrfs really ready for production use?
[19:14] <RoyK> those are self-healing. ext4 is pretty good in that aspect too
[19:14] <RoyK> sarnold: no
[19:15] <RoyK> sarnold: I have it on a couple of machines for testing - works for that, but wouldn't recommend it in prod yet
[19:15] <sarnold> RoyK: okay :) keep me updated. It's souded promising for .. uhh .. six years? :) but I'm still hesitant to try.
[19:15] <Quest> RoyK,  there are many recovery tools for ntfs. are there as good as for ext4?
[19:16] <sarnold> the wikipedia infobox on filesystems needs another entry, "developer keeps home directory in this format: yes/no"
[19:16] <RoyK> sarnold: btrfs raid-[56] was just released in 3.8 (iirc)
[19:16] <RoyK> Quest: I can hardly remember a recovery problem with ext4
[19:16] <RoyK> Quest: it happens very rarely, since the filesystem is rock solid
[19:17] <RoyK> Quest: so keep a good backup and ask if something goes wrong
[19:17] <RoyK> Quest: I've only managed a few hundred linux machines the last 5 years or so, so I may be wrong, but I trust myself on the filesystem part
[19:19] <Quest> ntfs is not as solid as ext4?
[19:22] <RoyK> just use native filesystems
[19:22] <RoyK> on whatever platform
[19:25] <Quest> hm
[20:43] <Quest> I have installed php5 and apache2 but php is not working. i mean .php files are not parsed. rather downloaded. why?
[20:44] <thesheff17> try to restart apache2
[20:48] <genii-around> Hopefully you've installed libapache2-mod-php5 and then for good measure issued:  sudo a2enmod php5     and then sudo service apache2 restart
[21:05] <shodan45> what's the bare minimum space required to get a bootable OS?
[21:06] <Rack27> Hey, I'm having a hard time getting nullmailer to send a mail. The mail log always shows "Temporary error in gethostbyname". Any idea what to do next?
[21:12] <sarnold> Rack27: can you use nc or telnet to connect to your relay's hostname?
[21:14] <Rack27> sarnold, no. Seems that this is not possible
[21:15] <sarnold> Rack27: I asked about nc or telnet since they'll use the standard resolver configuration; iirc, ping has its own resolver configuration.
[21:15] <sarnold> Rack27: can you do any dns from that host?
[21:17] <Rack27> sarnold, sorry, I'm not quite experienced. Trying to learn this, but I can't find any good tutorial for nullmailer online. Someone wrote I have to set up /etc/hosts properly so this can work.
[21:17] <sarnold> Rack27: maybe...
[21:18] <sarnold> Rack27: if your mail relay doesn't have a resolvable hostname, that's a good second option. best is if it actually resolves. :)
[21:22] <Rack27> sarnold: okay, thanks. Will try something ^^
[21:22] <sarnold> Rack27: good luck :)
[21:22] <Rack27> :)
[23:08] <Quest> can any one tell why i cannot hibernate? $ sudo hibernate now .       hibernate:Warning: Tuxonice binary signature file not found. /usr/sbin/hibernate: 481: shift: can't shift that many
[23:10] <holstein> are you running the server edition?
[23:10] <holstein> that might be it..
[23:38] <keithzg> So wait, how in the world would I retrieve a prior version of a file from S3? With versioning enabled, I would've thought it'd be easy, but even the web interface give no option to download specific older versions, much less unofficial tools like s3cmd.
[23:48] <keithzg> Does anyone have any idea? Surely there must be *some* way of retrieving prior versions of files from Amazon S3.


[04:44] <Guest62887> Hello
[04:44] <Guest62887> Can anyone help me set up my own personal free vpn?
[04:49] <Guest62887> Seriously?!?!
[04:53] <coryzard> join/lubuntu
[04:53] <coryzard> OKay
[06:14] <Guest6187> I have the right to a vpn and I will keep trying to create my own everytime my chat or server disconnect because I have that right
[06:14] <Guest6187> who will help me?
[06:19] <Guest6187> Let me rephrase
[06:19] <Guest6187> I need to create a vpn application that only I have access to, can anyone help me?
[06:26] <Guest6187> su
[07:41] <Guest22402> question about nm-tray. after installation and booting up, it cannot connect to wifi, it says wifi connection is lost. but it worked by booting in windows and other linux partition. right now on this lubuntu, i am sharing my phone to connect to the same wifi. so what is the problem about nm-tray?
[07:43] <diogenes_> Guest22402, if it's a fresh install then try rebooting the router.
[07:45] <Guest22402> it is public wifi
[07:45] <Guest22402> no access to router
[07:45] <Guest22402> diogenes_:
[11:16] <cnnx> hi, would lubuntu run on a pentium 3 1ghz with 768 mb? its a computer I have the year 2000
[11:24] <cnnx> ubuntu dropped support for 32bit but debian kept it right?
[11:26] <kc2bez> cnnx: the 18.04 LTS release is the last to have 32 bit. Debian still has 32 bit.