[00:11] <zul> jamespage:  when you get in https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/horizon/2014.1.rc2/+merge/214856
[00:27] <resno> how do you restart the network manager in 14.04?
[00:27] <resno> /etc/init.d/networking just sits
[00:27] <resno> service network-manager restart just sits
[00:27] <sarnold> resno: hah, don't run that. that's a recipe for killing your machine
[00:27] <sarnold> resno: why is network-manager on your server in the first place?
[00:28] <resno> i dunno, im just trying to get my static ip :(
[00:28] <resno> it didnt do anything
[00:28] <resno> so i tried just interfacing directly with ifconfig
[00:29] <resno> heh, rhetorical question and run ftw :)
[00:29] <sarnold> resno: the 'best' way to configure networking on servers is to edit /etc/network/interfaces and once it is set up correctly 'ifup eth0' or whatever
[00:29] <resno> ah ifup now?
[00:30] <sarnold> resno: yeah. and when you've got some time, figure out what dragged network-manager onto your machine and do your best to get it back off :) it's tolerable (barely) for laptops but servers deserve better :)
[00:31] <resno> so, hopefully im not in a lost state
[00:31] <resno> my ip is somehing i dont expect and "ifup eth0" says interface already configured
[00:31] <sarnold> hrm
[00:32] <sarnold> is it one of the 169.xxx whatever "local" network addresses?
[00:32] <resno> ah, there we go
[00:32] <sarnold> or did you get assigned a DHCP from your pool? :)
[00:32] <resno> ifdown then ifup :)
[00:32] <sarnold> \o/
[00:32] <resno> is the upstart not used anymore?
[00:33] <sarnold> ifdown doesn't always manage to clean things up depending upon changes you may make to /etc/network/interfaces -- nie that it did the job this time
[00:33] <sarnold> resno: check out /etc/init/network* -- there's a huge pile of interacting scripts to manage networking :/
[00:34] <sarnold> resno: thankfully ifup/ifdown has continued to work even in the upstart age :)
[00:35] <resno> ah ok.
[01:48] <Cinos> Is the fixed OpenSSL (1.0.1g) available for Ubuntu Server? Trying to upgrade tells me it's the latest version, although it's showing up as being 1.0.1c
[01:49] <mwhudson> which series?  it's not necessarily been updated to 1.0.1g everywhere, but the fix has been ported everywhere it was needed
[01:49] <mwhudson> afaik
[01:49] <Cinos> Series?
[01:49] <Cinos> How do I check that
[01:49] <shauno> http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-2165-1/   if your installed version matches the versions listed at the end, you're cool
[01:50] <Cinos> So I don't need to upgrade my openssl if I'm using those versions?
[01:50] <Cinos> I have 12.10
[01:51] <cfhowlett> Cinos dude!  12.10 is end of life and no longer supported = and you're stressing ssl?  upgrade, dammit!
[01:51] <sarnold> cfhowlett: heh, 12.10 has another mumble-weeks life left
[01:51] <cfhowlett> !12.10|sarnold
[01:51] <sarnold> cfhowlett: it's 13.04 that's been dead..
[01:52] <Cinos> How would I even upgrade?
[01:52] <cfhowlett> sarnold d'oh!  okay then.  I mis-spoke.  sorry, cinos
[01:52] <sarnold> cfhowlett: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -u upgrade  :)
[01:52] <Cinos> One of my servers is showing as being 12.04
[01:52] <sarnold> Cinos: 12.04 is an LTS release, it will be supported for another three years :)
[01:52] <Cinos> ah
[01:53] <cfhowlett> Cinos 12.04 has 5 years support, but current is 12.04.4 so : sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade    will bring you current
[01:53] <Cinos> okay
[01:53] <Cinos> I do that regularly
[01:53] <cfhowlett> sarnold : 5 years
[01:53] <sarnold> Cinos: but for your 12.10 machine, pay attention to its end of life when it comes; probably sudo do-release-upgrade will do the right thing, but pay attention when it happens
[01:53] <Cinos> okay
[01:54] <Cinos> Anyway, so should I just be fine with the current version of OpenSSL that I have?
[01:54] <sarnold> Cinos: have you rebooted or restarted all your services after installing the update?
[01:54] <Cinos> It hasn't installed any updates
[01:55] <sarnold> Cinos: you may also wish to regenerate private keys and assume they have been compromised; perhaps expire web sessions, etc..
[01:55] <Cinos> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade just returns that there are no packages to update
[01:55] <cfhowlett> Cinos apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:55] <sarnold> Cinos: and dpkg -l libssl* returns those right versionnumbers?
[01:55] <Cinos> Same result
[01:55] <Cinos> one sec
[01:55] <Cinos> nope, it's showing 1.0.1c and 0.9.8o
[01:56] <sarnold> Cinos: ah, sorry, I forgot that dpkg cuts off version numbers :( try dpkg -l libssl* | cat
[01:56] <sarnold> that'lltrick it into showing the full width output
[01:56] <Cinos> it's showing the full length
[01:56] <Cinos> I see things like "1.0.1c-3ubuntu2.7"
[01:56] <mwhudson> right
[01:56] <mwhudson> that's what sarnold is asking for :)
[01:56] <Cinos> ah
[01:57] <sarnold> yay, 3ubuntu2.7 is the 'fixed' version at http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-2165-1/
[01:57] <mwhudson> you can see here that this version includes the fix: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssl/1.0.1c-3ubuntu2.7
[01:57] <mwhudson> so this isn't version 1.0.1g it's version 1.0.1c + fixes
[01:58] <Cinos> ah, so no need for me to panic
[01:58] <Cinos> I haven't upgraded since before today
[01:58] <sarnold> Cinos: you may have the unattended-upgrades package installed
[01:58] <Cinos> hm
[01:59] <sarnold> Cinos: that will install security updates periodically; but this update also requires restarting affected services and since so many things use openssl, we've just recommended rebooting.
[02:57] <BasedGeek> hey folks anybody know anything about running a gopher server?
[02:57] <BasedGeek> pygopherd to be specific?
[03:00] <sarnold> I can't believe I call myself a neckbeard without having run a gopherd myself.
[03:00]  * BasedGeek sighs deeply
[03:02] <sarnold> heh, looks like an awesome tool :)
[03:34] <hallyn> gopher!  oh  how i miss gopher
[03:36] <BasedGeek> any tips on running pygopherd?
[04:53] <valeech> hello! is this a good channel to get help with MaaS and JuJu?
[05:31] <[ghost]> im running ubunut server 12.04 i'm trying to setup openvpn to connect to my server remotely. internal connection works i just can't connect to the internet. i tried bridge but no luck any suggestions.
[06:37] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:17] <hadifarnoud> how can I just update SSL?
[08:18] <hadifarnoud> I mean openSSL
[08:23] <cfhowlett> hadifarnoud is this for the heartbleed issue?
[08:24] <hadifarnoud> yes cfhowlett
[08:25] <cfhowlett> hadifarnoud according to the discussion in main channel, the upgrade has already rolled out on supported versions, although the version doesn't display the new number.    do sudo apt-get upgrade
[08:25] <cfhowlett> hadifarnoud ask in #ubuntu for more info
[08:25] <hadifarnoud> cfhowlett: that's the thing. I don't want to upgrade anything else
[08:26] <cfhowlett> hadifarnoud ask in #ubuntu for more info
[10:08] <rbasak> jamespage: I think I need to flag bug 1302192
[10:09] <rbasak> jamespage: seems pretty critical to me. Everyone uses ping.
[10:09] <rbasak> jamespage: something to do with the way ISOs are built maybe?
[10:09] <jamespage> rbasak, maybe - that might be installed in the image-bit of the installer
[10:10] <jamespage> rbasak, can you give cjwatson a ping about this?
[10:10] <rbasak> Will do
[11:07] <jamespage> beisner, roaksoax: is maas now functional from the ISO?
[11:07] <jamespage> reference bug 1298559
[11:21] <zul> jamespage:  https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/horizon/2014.1.rc2/+merge/214856
[11:35] <jamespage> zul, +1 on horizon
[11:41] <Siebjee> when is the new openssl version 1.0.1g being released as ubuntu package ?
[11:42] <bekks> Siebjee: It was released two days ago.
[11:42] <Siebjee> I don't see it in the repo on packages.ubuntu.org/
[11:42] <Siebjee> for any release
[11:42] <bekks> Siebjee: http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-2165-1/
[11:42] <bekks> Siebjee: The version was not bumped, the fix was applied.
[11:54] <rbasak> kirkland: are you planning to take care of bug 1304777?
[11:56] <rbasak> kirkland: also, what implications does a server cert change have, OOI? Does this break pollinate? I don't see any fallback.
[11:56] <rbasak> Why does it not default to using the PKI?
[12:37] <caribou> Is it a total waste of my time to try to use juju's local provider to deploy openstack ?
[12:37] <zul> jamespage:  neutron rc2 is out do you want me to take it?
[12:40] <jamespage> zul, sure
[12:40] <jamespage> caribou, you can do it but you have to use the juju add-machine --to kvm:0 to create instances for nova-compute, quantum-gateway and other bits
[12:40] <jamespage> caribou, see hazmat's email to the juju ML
[12:41] <caribou> jamespage: ok, thanks I'll look for that
[12:57] <caribou> jamespage: is hazmat's email in a recent thread ?
[13:04] <cfhowlett> filippo.io/heartbleed/   asks for a hostname to test vulnerability - how do I proceed
[13:04] <patdk-wk> dunno, ubuntu doesn't run that website
[13:05] <cfhowlett> patdk-wk how/where can I test the heartbleed patch?
[13:13] <alex88> cfhowlett: put the hostname?
[13:14] <cfhowlett> alex88 what hostname might we normally use for testing such as this?
[13:14] <alex88> cfhowlett: the hostname of the server you want to check for that bug
[13:14] <alex88> well, the endpoint more than the server
[13:14] <cfhowlett> alex88 got it.  thank you.
[13:15] <alex88> np
[13:18] <jamespage> caribou, 'fast containers & dev workflow with juju 1.18'
[13:19] <caribou> jamespage: ok got that. I also found a blog post from stokachu who talks about it
[13:22] <beisner> jamespage, roaksoax: as of yday's iso, no.
[13:22] <jamespage> beisner, hmmm
[13:24] <beisner> jamespage, will be kicking off that and other amd64 iso test runs shortly
[13:24] <jamespage> beisner, ack - lemme know if that fails asap - we need to get that nailed before FF IMHO
[13:25] <beisner> jamespage, ack, I agree.  if the feature is on the menu, we should make sure it works.  alt would be to rm the menu item and force install via apt.
[13:26] <jamespage> roaksoax, do you have time to work on this?
[13:27] <roaksoax> jamespage: on what exactly? the bug from maas iso install?
[13:27] <jamespage> roaksoax, yes
[13:27] <roaksoax> jamespage: i can try to look at it tonight
[13:27] <jamespage> roaksoax, I need a definate
[13:27] <jamespage> this is a critical release bug
[13:28] <roaksoax> beisner: do you have the link for the ISO you are testing?
[13:29] <beisner> hi roaksoax.  yep it's the daily build.  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/current/     http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/current/trusty-server-amd64.iso
[13:30] <roaksoax> jamespage: i'll give it a look now and let you know
[13:30] <jamespage> roaksoax, thanks
[13:31] <zul> jamespage:  https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/neutron/2014.1.rc2/+merge/214947
[13:32] <jamespage> zul, +1
[13:51] <zul> jamespage:  we should be fine in the icehouse CA now (libvirt regression from yesterday)
[13:52] <jamespage> zul, looks weird but works OK "pc-i440fx-trusty"
[13:52] <jamespage> lol
[13:54] <zul> jamespage:  yeah
[13:54] <zul> jamespage:  rhel does the same thing apparently
[13:55] <zul> jamespage:  ceilometer testsuites have been disabled for the longest time so im whipping that back into shape
[13:56] <jamespage> zul, ok - but I remember they depend on a running MongoDB - is that still true?
[13:57] <zul> jamespage:  oh hell yes
[13:58] <zul> jamespage:  im just gonig to get the tests to use sqlite by default
[13:58] <jamespage> zul, OK
[13:58] <zul> we are also missing a dependency on oslo.vmware as well
[14:12] <kirkland> rbasak: I've opened an RT
[14:12] <rbasak> kirkland: AIUI, it's the package that needs fixing, no?
[14:13] <rbasak> With the pem embedded in it? That bug came from IS.
[14:13] <kirkland> rbasak: yes
[14:13] <kirkland> rbasak: okay, updating now...
[14:14] <rbasak> kirkland: OOI, why aren't you using PKI by default?
[14:16] <kirkland> rbasak: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1wj2HNoFguP6JycBB-uDHQKACyQQuEacjaK68cWQxTE0/edit#slide=id.g2b85e07b3_367
[14:16] <kirkland> rbasak: slide 48
[14:16] <kirkland> rbasak: sorry, slide 45/46
[14:17] <rbasak> kirkland: I see, OK. I suppose the trade-off is that older cloud images will now never successfully pollinate? That strikes me as a potential attack vector in itself, though I suppose no worse than a DoS.
[14:18] <kirkland> rbasak: it is a calculated tradeoff, unfortunately
[14:18] <rbasak> Understood. Fair enough.
[14:19] <kirkland> rbasak: the good news is that the bundled cert is actually working as designed :-)
[14:19] <kirkland> rbasak: ie, we changed the cert on the server (for a very good reason)
[14:19] <kirkland> rbasak: and now pollinate is appropriately "failing"
[14:21] <kirkland> rbasak: and, fwiw, you can certainly manually override pollinate's options, and disable the --cacert /etc/pollen/cert.pem --capath /dev/null options
[14:26] <beisner> jamespage, roaksoax:  confirmed 'internal server error' is result of maas install from trusty 2014-apr-09 daily ISO.  bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+source/maas/+bug/1298559
[14:30] <jamespage> zul, promoting proposed->updates for icehouse
[14:30] <jamespage> zul, ceph will follow shortly
[14:32] <jamespage> zul, in ceilometer?
 we are also missing a dependency on oslo.vmware as well
[14:34] <aliesky> Hello everyone
[14:35] <aliesky> I have a question about networking and dns-nameservers
[14:35] <zul> jamespage:  yeah python-oslo.vmware is missing as a build-deps, pydist picks it up anyways
[14:36] <aliesky> I have a PC with two NIC, each NIC with a different network, and each network have it's own DNS Servers
[14:36] <aliesky> how to configure both nameservers?
[14:37] <aliesky> do I need to declare them separately in the network.conf file?
[14:38] <bekks> there is no network.conf file. There is /etc/network/interfaces and you declare both on one line.
[14:38] <bekks> aliesky: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/network-configuration.html
[14:38] <aliesky> bekks: sorry, my bad
[14:39] <aliesky> bekks: but each network interface have it's own configuration, and I can declare dns-nameservers in both
[14:39] <jrwren> aliesky: you cannot. dns does not work that way
[14:40] <jrwren> aliesky: choose one to prefer.
[14:41] <aliesky> jrwren: so i just put the dns-nameservers in one card?
[14:43] <bekks> aliesky: define them on the interface with the default route.
[14:43] <aliesky> bekks: got it, thanks
[14:43] <jrwren> aliesky: like bekks said, put nameservers under each correct interface, so that if one interface is down your resolv.conf will get written to use the up interface
[14:45] <aliesky> jrwen: then the main config will be the one in the preferred card, unless it be down, correct?
[14:55] <jamescarr> where does /usr/share/dict/words come from?
[14:55] <jamescarr> is there a package for it?
[14:57] <rbasak> jamescarr: $ dpkg -S /usr/share/dict/words
[14:57] <rbasak> diversion by dictionaries-common from: /usr/share/dict/words
[14:57] <rbasak> diversion by dictionaries-common to: /usr/share/dict/words.pre-dictionaries-common
[14:57] <ogra_> jamescarr, dpkg -S /usr/share/dict/words
[14:57] <rbasak> wamerican, dictionaries-common: /usr/share/dict/words
[14:57] <jamescarr> thanks
[15:30] <jrwren> alex88: there is no such thing as a preferred interface.
[15:33] <alex88> jrwren: wut?
[15:33] <alex88> oh nm, it wasn't for me :)
[15:33] <jrwren> alex88: sorry, misdir
[15:33] <jrwren> aliesky: there is no such thing as a preferred interface.
[15:42] <semiosis> jdstrand: jamespage: sarnold: any update re: the glusterfs MIR?  LP bug 1274247
[15:57] <jdstrand> semiosis: sarnold is performing it now. I imagine it will be completed today or tomorrow
[15:57] <semiosis> thats great! thanks
[16:47] <jamespage> semiosis, jdstrand: that could be late for enabling the support in libvirt
[16:48] <jamespage> hallyn, zul: ^^
[16:48] <zul> jamespage:  apparently you need qemu support as well
[16:49] <jamespage> \o/
[16:49] <zul> jamespage:  too late imho
[16:49] <jamespage> jdstrand, semiosis: I'll defer to zul and hallyn for an opinion on timing
[16:50] <zul> hallyn:  too late imho
[16:50] <semiosis> only qemu needs glusterfs support enabled.  afaik libvirt doesnt need anything special
[16:51] <semiosis> well thats to be expected
[16:51] <semiosis> only been waiting 2+ years for this MIR, what's another 6 months right?
[16:53] <semiosis> disappointed that this was stalled pending security review for 6 weeks and only got looked at after it was too late
[16:53] <semiosis> 6 weeks!
[16:56] <zul> semiosis:  yes well the security team is a bit overworked we love them anyways
[16:56] <semiosis> i can relate
[17:03] <semiosis> I appreciate all your efforts
[17:18] <hallyn> yeah that is really too bad.  but we can enable it in a ppa at least
[17:19] <hallyn> tbh i got the impression from patches rolling by that glusterfs in libvirt had some issues still, but if i'm not mistaken on that then enablnig it lets us help stabilize it...
[17:30] <hallyn> zul: can you reproduce bug 1305191 ?  (I suspect it has something to do with the change in machine type name from trusty to pc-i440fx-trusty, maybe he upgraded qemu packages between install and first boot??)
[17:50] <beisner> hallyn, zul:  I'm upgrading my trusty virt machine host (it's a week old), then will also put some cycles into bug: 1305191
[17:52] <hallyn> beisner: great, thx
[17:53] <zul> beisner:  cool thanks
[17:59] <zul> hallyn:  yep right after i try to fix samba
[18:00] <hallyn> zul: may?
[18:00] <hallyn> sorry,
[18:02] <zul> hallyn:  no worries
[18:13] <zul> beisner:  should show up here when it builds https://launchpad.net/~zulcss/+archive/samba
[18:24] <beisner> hallyn, zul: unable to reproduce bug 1305191 on up-to-date trusty
[18:24] <zul> beisner:  sweet
[18:30] <hallyn> beisner: phew.
[18:30] <hallyn> maybe i should've kept 'trusty' as an alias to the new type
[19:10] <Shutterstrom> Good evening. Just a quick question: what happens with my settings in config files when using apt-get upgrade? Are they lost or will the system try to merge old and new settings?
[19:13] <bekks> Shutterstrom: Personal configs are unchanges, global configs are asked to be modified on a per file basis.
[19:13] <Shutterstrom> say that I have done some edits in the config file for sshd and if the program gets upgraded, will theses changes be overwritten or till this be taken care of when using apt-get.
[19:15] <bekks> Shutterstrom: global configs are asked to be modified, personal configs are left unchanged.
[19:16] <Shutterstrom> bekks: Thanks! Well, I haven't encountered this yet, but the thought have struck me. But now I know. Thanks!
[19:17] <hallyn> oh, can't ahve multiple aliases, so that woudn't work
[19:26] <t_dot_zilla> did ubuntu push the updated version of openssl to 12.04 yet?
[19:26] <mdeslaur> t_dot_zilla: we did on monday. see http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-2165-1/
[19:45] <funcoland1> i'm having an issue with the trusty PXE install. it gets to a point where it's looking for the "trusty-updates" repository to get some packages I guess? and it hangs with a 404. i don't understand why it's triyng to reach out to it
[19:45] <funcoland1> it's looking for http://<mypxeserver>/Ubuntu-Trustyx64/dists/trusty-updates/Release then blam.. 404 and hangs for 10+ minutes. the installation does continue after that long period however.
[19:45] <bekks> 404 is pretty obvious, isnt it?
[19:46] <funcoland1> yeah it can't be found.. it's looking for trusty-updates though which isn't on the disc
[19:46] <funcoland1> i don't know maybe there's a preseed command that says "don't look for trusty-updates" ?
[19:47] <bekks> ship a customizes sources.list then.
[19:47] <jpds> Maybe you should just make your server sync trusty-updates ?
[19:47] <jpds> There's nothing there but it's going to need it... eventually.
[19:48] <funcoland1> i guess that is an option to just sync that entire directory or even repository to the server,  but i mean all of the before generations of ubuntu i've been able to do PXE installs off of with files that were included on just the disc
[19:50] <jpds> Right, sounds like you're missing trusty-updates.
[20:13] <xpistos> Hey all. how do I remove medibuntu stuff from my server list?
[20:14] <bekks> xpistos: you can use ppa-purge
[20:15] <xpistos> bekks: ppa-purge medibuntu or do I need to find a specific ppa
[20:16] <bekks> xpistos: you need to specify the ppa name
[20:16] <xpistos> bekks: 10-4 Thanks.
[20:16] <bekks> xpistos: ?
[20:16] <xpistos> bekks: It means "acknowledged"
[20:16] <bekks> ah :)
[20:21] <xpistos> bekks: I don't have a medibuntu listed in my sources.list file? but I know it is there cause when I try to update they fail out
[20:21] <xpistos> oh wait. I see it now
[20:32] <justizin> xpistos: check /etc/sources.list.d/
[20:32] <justizin> oh, you found it ;d
[20:33] <xpistos> justizin: I didn't have anything in sources.list.d
[20:34] <xpistos> I found a item in sources.list and then commented it out
[20:38] <bekks> xpistos: No you have to remove all packages that where installed from that ppa
[20:40] <xpistos> bekks: I will make sure to do that as well.
[21:50] <kyloor> Hey all. I have two servers each with three spare 1Gb NICs. I'd like to transfer data between them, but my switch doesn't support bonding. Any suggestions on how I can use all three without having to manually divide up the copy operation?
[21:51] <kyloor> I can actually directly connect NICs from server to server.
[21:56] <ikonia> kyloor: there is no benifit to what you want to do
[21:57] <ikonia> if your switch doesn't support bonding, it probably won't deal with 6 x 1gb interfaces maxed out anyway
[23:11] <Cinos> I have lost my root password. I'm assuming the only things I can do from here are reinstall or manually edit the passwords file somehow, right?
[23:11] <bekks> !password
[23:12] <makara_> Cinos, mount the disk onto another PC, or LiveCD in and chroot to create a new user
[23:13] <sarnold> bekks: heh, cool, that's usefull :)
[23:13] <Cinos> Thank you


[02:43] <arand> Would it be possible to just ban by filter for those messages just seen in #ubuntu...
[02:46] <arand> In addition, shouldn't Floodbot catch that..?
[02:49] <Pici> The bots thought there was a network issue and were not taking action.
[02:49] <Pici> They should be okay now though


[01:48] <ijbgreen> hi
[01:48] <ijbgreen> i have an issue over Unity
[01:49] <ijbgreen> vware in all his flavors not runs over Unity always crash
[06:24] <purvesh> my top bar had gone after applying unity in ccsm so it means i cant control windows even cant move some where + alt and Tab not working in ubuntu 11.04
[06:25] <BigWhale> What happens if you press CTRL-ALT-T?
[06:27] <purvesh> BigWhale, nothing ... even alt+ Tab is not working
[06:27] <purvesh> BigWhale, first Thanx for reply :)
[06:28] <BigWhale> CTRL-ALT-F1 should probably work
[06:29] <BigWhale> then login and restart compiz
[06:29] <purvesh> that brings me to normal terminal type window
[06:29] <BigWhale> yes... login
[06:29] <purvesh> k
[06:29] <BigWhale> then do export DISPLAY=":0.0"
[06:29] <BigWhale> and compiz --replace
[06:29] <BigWhale> if this doesn't help... then I'm out of ideas :)
[06:30] <purvesh> BigWhale,  how do i restart compiz ? and where is export display
[06:30] <BigWhale> after you login with your username just enter
[06:30] <BigWhale> export DISPLAY=":0.0"
[06:30] <purvesh> k
[06:30] <BigWhale> compiz --restart
[06:30] <purvesh> thanx
[06:30] <BigWhale> err
[06:30] <BigWhale> compiz --replace
[06:39] <purvesh> if i do "compiz restart" then it shows unknown job and if i try compiz --restart then also it showz "compiz (core) -warn : unknown option 'restart' and in second link compiz (core) -fatal : unknown option 'couldn't open display' "
[06:39] <purvesh> BigWhale, if i do "compiz restart" then it shows unknown job and if i try compiz --restart then also it showz "compiz (core) -warn : unknown option 'restart' and in second link compiz (core) -fatal : unknown option 'couldn't open display' "
[06:40] <BigWhale> Hmm
[06:40] <BigWhale> it is compiz --replace
[06:40] <BigWhale> sorry
[06:40] <purvesh> BigWhale, k
[06:41] <purvesh> BigWhale, let me try
[06:41] <purvesh> BigWhale, couldn't open display !
[06:42] <BigWhale> did you export DISPLAY=":0.0"
[06:42] <purvesh> BigWhale, even i had tried repair wizard of ubuntu
[06:43] <purvesh> BigWhale, nope once it accept restart or replace then i put
[06:43] <Omega> try this
[06:43] <purvesh> BigWhale, or i can put directly export ?
[06:43] <Omega> sudo killall -9 compiz && unity
[06:44] <BigWhale> you have to type export DISPLAY=":0.0" before everything else
[06:44] <Omega> ^ is my swiss knife of compiz crashes
[06:44] <Omega> no
[06:44] <Omega> unity does that for you
[06:44] <BigWhale> oh?
[06:44] <Omega> yep
[06:44] <Omega> it does all the magic for you
[06:45] <Omega> starting compiz, setting the display :)
[06:45] <purvesh> Omega, BigWhale, really what should i try tell me, m confuse ?
[06:45] <BigWhale> what happens if you're running two displays? :>
[06:45] <Omega> purvesh: sudo killall -9 compiz && unity
[06:45] <BigWhale> purvesh, do what Omega suggested. :)
[06:46] <Omega> do that in the TTY (ctrl-alt-F1)
[06:46] <BigWhale> Anyway, I'll bbl... :)
[06:46] <Omega> :>
[06:46] <Omega> It's almost 2am here, I gotta go to bed soon.
[06:48] <Omega> did it work purvesh?
[06:50] <purvesh> Omega, thanx for that command it is automatically set to only :0  not to :0.0
[06:51] <purvesh> Omega, but my problem not solved should i restart ubuntu or what ?
[06:52] <purvesh> Omega, because without top bar i cant work, i can even move any normal window as well as any application windows it stick to top only automatically
[06:52] <Omega> what did you change in ccsm?
[06:54] <Omega> purvesh: do you want to reset what you changed in ccsm?
[06:54] <purvesh> Omega, i had click on first cube desktop then after that clicked on Unity which i had seen here first time on ubuntu 11.04 then it shows some conflict some flip n all i had not read at that time bcz at that time only window stick to top so some text are hiding beside that
[06:55] <purvesh> Omega, ya if it is set to normal default view then also its fine
[06:55] <Omega> gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/compiz-1
[06:55] <Omega> unity --reset
[06:55] <Omega> that will reset app compiz settings
[06:55] <purvesh> Omega, ohk thanx let me try
[06:55] <Omega> all*
[07:02] <purvesh> BigWhale, Omega, at there i can't type any command bcz it stuck at unknown 9791 error some i can't type
[07:03] <purvesh> Omega, i had tried at ctrl+alt+F1
[07:05] <purvesh> BigWhale, Omega, should i restart my both this gui and that display ?
[07:07] <purvesh> Omega, you there ?
[07:09] <Omega> yes, restart
[07:09] <Omega> I need to sleep now though
[07:09] <Omega> try asking for help in #ubuntu
[07:11] <purvesh> Omega, Thanx a lot for helping me !
[07:31]  * LLStarks sighs
[07:31] <LLStarks> another fitt's law bug
[07:32] <LLStarks> manually closing the ctrl+f search in firefox will invoke the trash bin in 90% of attempted mouse-overs of the X to close it
[07:32] <LLStarks> while one could ctrl+f and then press escape, this is not ideal or user apparent
[07:42] <LLStarks> ubott, i demand you to educate everyone about bug 776930
[08:00] <oSoMoN> good morning
[08:00] <LLStarks> good morning
[08:25] <larsemil> 1st. thanks for wonderful unity, best thing that happened to ubuntu IMO.
[08:27] <larsemil> 2nd. :) What to do if unity bar does not minimize, stays open. anything to do about that
[08:27] <larsemil> njpatel: you know you are my favourite developer, i asked a friend to give you biggest hug next time he runs in to you over at canonical
[08:28] <larsemil> so you know why next time aswede hangs around your shoulders
[08:34] <njpatel> larsemil, hah, thank you :)
[08:35] <larsemil> noone got an idea on what to do when unitypanel does not want to minimize?
[09:03] <larsemil> its a reboot then
[10:15] <kzmdmzk> Hi, is anyone able to comment on the status of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD#Treatment%20of%20hardware%20device%20detection ?
[12:18] <jayneil> hey all..i have Intel dual core processor, 2.5gb ram, nvidia geforce 7600(256Mb) and still I am not able to run Unity.
[12:19] <jayneil> so any suggestions..?
[17:05] <cg> I was wondering if I could get some help. I upgrade to Natty the other day, and now my ctrl-f in all applications that support searching, does not work. Has anyone else experienced this?
[17:15] <elricl> cg Do u mean super key +f?
[17:15] <davidcalle> jcastro, i'm reading on Linux Journal that you demonstrated the Books Lens at Penguincon. THANK YOU!
[17:42] <iggyology_> hi people
[17:43] <iggyology_> I'm having bug issues with Unity
[17:43] <iggyology_> the app icons are broken
[17:45] <iggyology_> ???
[17:45] <iggyology_> anyone here?
[17:49] <iggyology_> anyone here?
[17:49] <iggyology_> that can help me with unity
[17:50] <iggyology_> I'm debating switch to xubuntu because ubuntu's unity seems to be bugged without support
[17:50] <iggyology_> so come one people aren't these bots messaging your iphones or something???
[17:52] <jamalta> iggyology_: why don't you try asking in #ubuntu? There's usually more actives ready to help there.
[17:52] <iggyology_> I am
[17:52] <iggyology_> everyone hates unity and ubuntu
[17:52] <iggyology_> ha!
[17:52] <iggyology_> they say it's too new and not that great
[17:52] <iggyology_> and it's bugged and no one is supporting it enough
[17:53] <iggyology_> to which I am learning that they are right
[17:53] <iggyology_> even though I like the look
[17:53] <iggyology_> so far most people prefer the XFCE environment
[17:54] <iggyology_> it seems to be better refined
[17:54] <iggyology_> less of a weekend project than Gnome
[17:56] <iggyology_> this is my first impression people.... take it for that
[17:56] <iggyology_> not for an experienced position
[17:59] <iggyology_> sorry if I offended someone
[18:00] <iggyology_> I'm just trying to understand the billion faces of Linux
[18:02] <cyphermox> iggyology_, if you're running into bugs, I guess the best is for you to file a bug report against unity to let the developers know, and ask specific questions if it may be worked around
[18:02] <cyphermox> iggyology_, but support questions would usually go better in #ubuntu
[18:03] <iggyology_> cyphermox, I'm in #ubuntu, but strangely enough there are a lot of xubuntu users! Gof figure!
[18:03] <cyphermox> heh, you can still ask questions
[18:04] <hall> is there a list of more serious "known problems" with the unity environment? it is hard searching bug reports for the troubles i have (basically, it does not work at all)
[18:04] <cyphermox> hall, not sure if there is, but my guess is that would be on wiki.ubuntu.com or just in the bug reports against unity
[18:04] <hall> driver issues, system requirements, that kind of thing
[18:04] <cyphermox> if it doesn't work, you can probably track that down to the graphics card though
[18:05] <hall> it starts up and draws stuff all over the place, menus are invisible and applications only use half of the screen no matter what
[18:05] <cyphermox> hall, or file a new bug, and developers can go mark it a duplicate afterwards if necessary ;)
[18:05] <hall> yeah, i guess
[18:05] <cyphermox> hall, are you using multiple monitors?
[18:06] <hall> external monitor, VGA
[18:06] <hall> laptop with X3100 graphics
[18:06] <cyphermox> so yeah, the laptop with an extra external monitor
[18:06] <hall> yes, but i'm only using the external, not the laptop one
[18:07] <cyphermox> oh ok
[18:07] <cyphermox> so yes, I'd assume it's best you file a bug. don't forget to use "ubuntu-bug unity" to do so
[18:08] <iggyology_> cyphermox, can you tell me how to fix an icon in the launch bar that isn't working. Someone in #ubuntu said that it's got something to do with getting away from sudo and going to gksudo.
[18:09] <iggyology_> I have no idea how to do that
[18:09] <cyphermox> iggyology_, which icon?
[18:10] <iggyology_> Firefox and Thunderbird
[18:10] <iggyology_> the other ones work fine
[18:10] <iggyology_> like LibreOffice Writer
[18:10] <cyphermox> I don't think any of them really has anything to do with sudo
[18:10] <iggyology_> or Ubuntu Software Center
[18:10] <iggyology_> that works
[18:10] <cyphermox> is there a white arrow on the left side of the firefox icon?
[18:11] <iggyology_> no white arrow
[18:11] <iggyology_> it's not open
[18:12] <iggyology_> sys-mon flickers when i click on the Firefox icon, but nothing opens.... no process
[18:12] <cyphermox> ok
[18:12] <cyphermox> then please put what you see in the file .xsession-errors in a pastebin -- like paste.ubuntu.com
[18:12] <iggyology_> everything works when I open a command window
[18:13] <iggyology_> You mean what I see when I do a command window?
[18:13] <cyphermox> no
[18:13] <cyphermox> there should be a hidden file called .xsession-errors in your home directory. that will likely contain messages if firefox can't be started by unity, telling us why
[18:14] <iggyology_> oh
[18:14] <cyphermox> but it can be pretty big and verbose, so don't just paste it in the channel, use a pastebin
[18:14] <iggyology_> I'll have to find it, I'm not familiar with that stuff
[18:14] <iggyology_> I've never used pastebin either
[18:14] <iggyology_> lol
[18:14] <iggyology_> can you walk me through getting the hidden file
[18:15] <cyphermox> open a command window and type:  gedit ~/.xsession-errors
[18:16] <iggyology_> k
[18:16] <cyphermox> then open a browser, go to paste.ubuntu.com, copy and paste all that stuff in there, and give us the link
[18:17] <iggyology_> ok
[18:17] <iggyology_> got the document...
[18:17] <iggyology_> pasting
[18:18] <iggyology_> wow, yeah, it's big :)
[18:19] <iggyology_> I see what you mean
[18:19] <iggyology_> so the link is
[18:19] <iggyology_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/603356/
[18:19] <iggyology_> whew...
[18:20] <iggyology_> I wondered what was going on in #ubuntu when people kept posting hyperlinks to that website
[18:20] <iggyology_> What a good idea
[18:22] <cyphermox> iggyology_, er.. so I guess this is a netbook? can you open software center or does that one also not work?
[18:22] <iggyology_> software center works fine
[18:22] <iggyology_> yes, it's an acer aspire one
[18:22] <iggyology_> D255E
[18:23] <cyphermox> iggyology_, did you change the firefox launcher in any way, or is this a new install?
[18:23] <iggyology_> I wanted to know if pasting my .xsession-errors exposes confidential information like the stuff on my keyring?
[18:23] <iggyology_> This is a new install
[18:23] <iggyology_> actually I uninstalled and reinstalled twice already
[18:23] <cyphermox> iggyology_, no, it should be just error messages
[18:23] <iggyology_> ok
[18:24] <iggyology_> I'm assuming that it's taking you a little while to sift through the document for signs of trouble?
[18:24] <cyphermox> i'm not sure, there's quite a lot of stuff there... if you press the windows key on your keyboard and type firefox (or click on the firefox icon in the dash), can you start it then?
[18:25] <iggyology_> yes i can start it from there
[18:26] <iggyology_> can I clear the errors and redo the issue?
[18:26] <cyphermox> ok. in that case is the firefox icon still not showing an arrow, or is there a second firefox icon in the launcher?
[18:26] <cyphermox> iggyology_, no need, the log is fine
[18:26] <iggyology_> ok
[18:28] <cyphermox> iggyology_, is the firefox icon still not showing an arrow, or is there a second firefox icon in the launcher?
[18:30] <iggyology_> ... now the icon is gone from the launcher
[18:30] <cyphermox> but firefox is running?
[18:30] <iggyology_> and when I try to drag a new one in... the new icon disappears... no firefox isn't running
[18:31] <cyphermox> I thought you were able to start it from the dash
[18:31] <iggyology_> no
[18:31] <iggyology_> i can only start it from terminal or
[18:31] <iggyology_> "Applications"
 i'm not sure, there's quite a lot of stuff there... if you press the windows key on your keyboard and type firefox (or click on the firefox icon in the dash), can you start it then?
 yes i can start it from there
[18:31] <cyphermox> right
[18:32] <cyphermox> so what I suggest is, right click the firefox icon from your launcher and uncheck "Keep In Launcher"
[18:32] <iggyology_> this thing you call the "dash" is the problem i think
[18:32] <iggyology_> i did that
[18:33] <cyphermox> then start it from Applications or wherever you manage to start it from, and once firefox starts and the icon appears, right click on the icon and check Keep In Launcher again
[18:35] <iggyology_> for some reason it's busy working on something
[18:35] <iggyology_> just a sec
[18:36] <iggyology_> Ok
[18:36] <iggyology_> so I have a Firefox window open on the desktop, but there is nothing in the "dash"
[18:37] <iggyology_> program open, but no icon in dash....
[18:37] <iggyology_> lol!
[18:37] <cyphermox> iggyology_, well, in that case I'm not sure what else to try
[18:38] <iggyology_> wait, aren't you a unity developer?
[18:38] <cyphermox> iggyology_, I did *some* development on unity, but I can't say I know it inside out ;)
[18:38] <iggyology_> is the Firefox icon supposed to show up in the launcher when there is a window open?
[18:39] <cyphermox> you could always restart your session, or try to reset the compiz and unity settings (that's "unity --reset")
[18:39] <cyphermox> yes, if it's open it should show up
[18:40] <cyphermox> it might not be at the top if you removed the original launcher icon, but it will appears somewhere in the launcher
[18:41] <iggyology_> nope, it's nowhere in the launcher even though I'm looking right at the open firefox window
[18:41] <iggyology_> it's showing on the sys-mon though
[18:42] <iggyology_> ughhhhh I think I'll uninstall the damn thing and try over
[18:42] <spikeb> yeah, that's a known bug i believe :(
[18:43] <iggyology_> I wonder who's working on unity, because it seems like someone is having some premature release issues :) lol
[18:44] <iggyology_> at least call it a beta!
[18:44] <iggyology_> that way people can stick with something like XFCE until the beta is done
[18:44] <iggyology_> or at least help people switch to gnome classic until the bugs are squashed
[18:47] <iggyology_> This all smells like people who have jobs trying to use noobs to fix their projects so they have shi* they can impress their bosses with and get promotions
[18:48] <iggyology_> one guy said that he spent a whole year getting xubuntu where he wanted it... then the next 3 doing tweaks
[18:49] <iggyology_> he was in #ubuntu scraping his knees on the floor trying to get help
[18:49] <iggyology_> Windows is sitting on a pile of our money laughing at us as we fudge ourselves with this stuff
[18:51] <iggyology_> and the virus's are so bad now... it's like I say... If we're the smartest creatures on the planet... than the Earth is fu**ed.
[18:53] <iggyology_> :) coming from the genious that spelled viruses "virus's" :)


[03:44] <Unit193> Jordan_U: Did you restart the daemon? (Or fix it already?)
[03:47] <Jordan_U> Unit193: Yes (and no).
[03:49] <Unit193> Here's a paste of /usr/share/README.xscreensaver http://paste.ukikie.tk/?c36e5cec633b3aba#kIF5ST5uuGdcN2mtYmmMnfvY16QUIGDN4eiyU8HFUqw=
[03:49] <Unit193> Bah, /usr/share/doc/rss-glx
[03:57] <Unit193> That get it?
[04:00] <Jordan_U> Unit193: Thanks. I now can use XSpirograph, but not SpirographX (the latter is far superior to the former IMHO).
[04:01] <Jordan_U> Unit193: I tried the script first, then adding the lines manually, neither worked (SpirographX is still not an option in xscreensaver-demo).
[04:02] <Jordan_U> Unit193: Is it working for you?
[04:05] <Unit193> I see it in the list, but changed it to match the format of the rest of the config.
[04:05] <Unit193>   GL: 				spirographx --root			    \n\
[04:05] <Unit193> (That clearly being a good paste....)
[04:09] <Jordan_U> Unit193: Thanks, it's now working. I have my favorite screensaver back :)
[04:09] <Unit193> Great, now you should submit a bug report. ;)
[04:11] <Jordan_U> Will do (though not tonight).
[04:11] <Unit193> Righto, have a good one.
[10:38] <ssrvm> hi
[12:22] <Halexander9000> Greetings from Eastern Europe! Could someone help me restore my sound output from my computer? I have an ASUS EEE PC 904HD running UBUNTU, and today while watching a Youtube video, the audio just upped an muted itself. Tried the audio mixer, everything was set to high, still nothing. Tried Pavucontrol from the console, still nothing. Could someone please help me?
[12:23] <Halexander9000> I even rebooted. Still nothing.
[12:31] <ikonia> Halexander9000: you're running Ubuntu, #ubuntu is the best place to ask (as you are doing so now)
[12:32] <Halexander9000> Well, I do have the lubuntu interface.
[12:34] <kanliot> did you install ubuntu, then lxde? Halexander9000
[12:35] <Halexander9000> Yup.
[12:37] <kanliot> so pavucontrol wasn't muted or anything?
[12:38] <Halexander9000> Nope. Tried Alsamixer in the console. Still, nothing. I even disabled the Auto-mute function.
[12:39] <kanliot> did you try a cold boot?
[12:39] <kanliot> and verify your headphones aren't broken?
[12:42] <Halexander9000> I did.
[12:44] <Halexander9000> In fact... now that you mention it. I plugged my headphones and the sound it working. I unplug then, and the internal speakers don't work.
[12:45] <kanliot> good coz i was outta ideas
[12:45] <kanliot> :)
[12:45] <head_victim> Sounds like a dry solder joint inside the case somewhere.
[12:45] <kanliot> yeah, some youtube got in that soder jointings
[12:45] <Halexander9000> ... but the speakers have been working since 2008.
[12:46] <Halexander9000> ...
[12:46] <Halexander9000> Har-har...
[12:54] <head_victim> And on that note, good night all
[15:17] <fluffyguy> Im having odd sound issues ( silent/loud sound jumps) ,my question is would I have problems with pulse audio?
[15:24] <dirk> I'm trying to install lubuntu 12.04 ppc on my old and trusty Pismo ... to no avail. I've tried the regular install disk - it keeps failing telling me that it cannot mount the root device
[15:25] <dirk> next stop: alternative installer. I get halfway through the install but then it typically freezes when installing the packages, always at 6% progress
[15:25] <dirk> I've booted the alternative installer and ran the check target - it fails reproducibly on the locales_2.13....deb package
[15:26] <dirk> yes, I've compared the MD5 sums of the downloaded isos ... they match
[15:32] <fluffyguy> dirk you could try Bodhi linux
[15:34] <dirk> never heard of that ... how does it compare to lubuntu?
[15:34] <fluffyguy> Well its lighter due to E17 ,too "fancy" for my liking but it is really fast
[15:35] <fluffyguy> I prefer LXDE due to its minimalistic look
[15:39] <dirk> err, are you sure Bodi is for powerpc?
[15:43] <fluffyguy> dirk try it,if it wont work puppy linux is a way to go.  Honestly if you want faster response you could try ask at #ubuntu
[15:43] <dirk> ok thanks
[18:30] <smile> bye :p
[19:16] <melodie_> hello
[19:54] <gfom> I have no login screen.  I think I did this on purpose when I set up this box a couple of months ago, but the point of this computer is different now, and it needs to be multi user with a login screen.  I've no idea how to fix this.
[19:55] <bioterror> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#Stop_autologin_For_release_12.04_and_on_.28LightDM.29
[19:57] <gfom> bioterror, thanks
[20:27] <akls> new windows appear with the size of the screen, but not maximized. is it ok?...


[06:08] <webchat47> anyone having problems with latest Slack on ubuntu 21.10 daily build?
[06:32] <guiverc> webchat47, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/slack/+bug/1943568 maybe - click "affects me too"
[06:35]  * guiverc meant click "affects me too" if the bug reports matches your issue... (sorry I wasn't clear)
[15:00] <Eickmeyer> guiverc: To be fair, I don't think slack is the problem. I've had the same symptoms with all electron-based apps in impish for the past week.
[15:00] <Eickmeyer> I'm trying to narrow-down the cause.
[19:48] <JanC> sounds like it's GPU-related ?
[19:51] <JanC> or maybe communication between the process that does the GPU rendering & some other process?
[19:53] <JanC> Eickmeyer: it might be useful to check if all people with this issue have nvidia non-free driver?
[19:54] <Eickmeyer> JanC: Yeah, that's what I'm working on. Unfortunately I noticed this on the 460 nvidia driver and the 470 nvidia driver. Seems to work when --no-sandbox is passed to the electron app, and it seems as though snaps and flatpaks are unaffected.
[19:55] <JanC> also, this bug report mentions a non-standard kernel also...
[19:55] <Eickmeyer> guiverc, JanC: I had to invalidate that bug, it's for the wrong "slack". We don't carry Slack in that reopos.
[19:55] <Eickmeyer> JanC: I'm using the standard kernel.
[19:55] <Eickmeyer> Long story short: ALL Electron apps are affected.
[19:56] <JanC> still, it would probably invalidate that bug report even if it was a supported package
[19:56] <Eickmeyer> Also tested Atom, VSCode, and Element.
[19:56] <Eickmeyer> JanC: Yes, it would.
[19:57] <JanC> https://xanmod.org/ kernel
[19:57] <Eickmeyer> One must pass --no-sandbox to get Atom and VSCode to work, Element seems to use a different Electron.
[19:57] <JanC> I suppose it's something for gamers & such
[19:57] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, idk.
[19:59] <Eickmeyer> I'm going to throw-out an email to ubuntu-devel@ to get some input. This only reared its head in the past week or so.
[19:59] <Eickmeyer> Probably two weeks ago.
[20:00] <JanC> might be useful to look at what build/runtime dependency packages were (significantly) changed recently
[20:01] <Eickmeyer> It would be runtime deps.
[20:20] <Eickmeyer> So far, everything is pointing at a gtk update from Sep 3rd.


[07:18] <slyon> mgariepy: thanks a lot for creating the report and providing context!
[11:31] <mgariepy> slyon, you are welcome that's what i like about opensource :D haha
[17:50] <Guest28> Hello! How can i generate an .yaml file based upon the interfaces i have up?


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[00:31] <xerox12327> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[00:31] <xerox12327> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[00:31] <xerox12327> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[00:31] <xerox12327> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[00:31] <xerox12327> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[02:06] <pheizax> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[02:06] <pheizax> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[02:06] <pheizax> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[02:06] <pheizax> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[02:06] <pheizax> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[02:14] <barq1> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[02:14] <barq1> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[02:14] <barq1> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[02:14] <barq1> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[02:14] <barq1> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[03:12] <musician_pro> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[03:12] <musician_pro> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[03:12] <musician_pro> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[03:12] <musician_pro> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[03:12] <musician_pro> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[03:49] <clarjon14> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[03:49] <clarjon14> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[03:49] <clarjon14> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[03:49] <clarjon14> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[03:49] <clarjon14> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[03:51] <wook_> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[03:51] <wook_> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[03:51] <wook_> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[03:51] <wook_> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[03:52] <wook_> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[06:50] <cronic> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[06:51] <cronic> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[06:51] <cronic> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[06:51] <cronic> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[06:51] <cronic> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[07:09] <programmerq5> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[07:09] <programmerq5> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[07:09] <programmerq5> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[07:09] <programmerq5> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[07:09] <programmerq5> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[07:23] <madprops29> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[07:23] <madprops29> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[07:23] <madprops29> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[07:23] <madprops29> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[07:23] <madprops29> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[07:58] <varesa26> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[07:58] <varesa26> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[07:58] <varesa26> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[07:58] <varesa26> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[07:58] <varesa26> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[09:28] <GingerGeek28> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[09:28] <GingerGeek28> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[09:28] <GingerGeek28> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[09:28] <GingerGeek28> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[09:28] <GingerGeek28> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[09:52] <HollyW00d27> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[09:52] <HollyW00d27> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[09:52] <HollyW00d27> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[09:52] <HollyW00d27> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[09:52] <HollyW00d27> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[11:22] <mobijubo26> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[11:22] <mobijubo26> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[11:22] <mobijubo26> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[11:22] <mobijubo26> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[11:22] <mobijubo26> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[11:32] <andirc5089> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[11:33] <andirc5089> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[11:33] <andirc5089> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[11:33] <andirc5089> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[11:33] <andirc5089> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[12:09] <nstr28> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[12:09] <nstr28> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[12:09] <nstr28> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[12:09] <nstr28> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[12:09] <nstr28> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[12:36] <ramsey4> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[12:36] <ramsey4> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[12:36] <ramsey4> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[12:36] <ramsey4> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[12:42] <gpolitis> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[12:42] <gpolitis> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[12:43] <gpolitis> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[12:43] <gpolitis> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[12:43] <gpolitis> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[12:51] <nullrouted> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[12:51] <nullrouted> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[12:51] <nullrouted> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[12:51] <nullrouted> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[12:51] <nullrouted> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[12:53] <Xiti16> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[12:53] <Xiti16> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[12:53] <Xiti16> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[12:53] <Xiti16> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[12:53] <Xiti16> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[13:15] <peaches> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[13:15] <peaches> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[13:15] <peaches> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[13:15] <peaches> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[13:15] <peaches> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[13:38] <Peng5> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[13:38] <Peng5> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[13:38] <Peng5> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[13:38] <Peng5> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[13:38] <Peng5> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[14:52] <Evidlo11> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[14:52] <Evidlo11> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[14:52] <Evidlo11> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[14:52] <Evidlo11> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[14:53] <Evidlo11> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[15:29] <james41382> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[15:29] <james41382> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[15:29] <james41382> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[15:30] <james41382> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[15:30] <james41382> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[16:06] <elenah16> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[16:07] <elenah16> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[16:07] <elenah16> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[16:07] <elenah16> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[16:07] <elenah16> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[16:16] <guntbert21> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[16:17] <guntbert21> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[16:17] <guntbert21> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[16:17] <guntbert21> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[16:17] <guntbert21> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[18:56] <Alucard4200> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[18:56] <Alucard4200> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[18:56] <Alucard4200> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[18:56] <Alucard4200> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[18:56] <Alucard4200> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[20:16] <jcjordyn1206> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[20:16] <jcjordyn1206> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[20:16] <jcjordyn1206> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[20:16] <jcjordyn1206> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[20:16] <jcjordyn1206> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[22:26] <crayfishx17> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[22:26] <crayfishx17> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[22:26] <crayfishx17> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[22:26] <crayfishx17> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[22:26] <crayfishx17> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/


[00:22] <bryceh> Sarvatt, good idea
[00:23] <bryceh> Sarvatt, sometimes I've used pages under http://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Bugs for that sort of work
[00:23] <bryceh> sometimes it helps to start putting bugs into tables with their symptoms
[00:23] <bryceh> Sarvatt, also, I have automatically generated tables for -ati and -intel using the tagged symptoms and chip name
[00:24] <bryceh> if you think that sort of thing could be useful for -nvidia, we can also do one for that
[00:24] <bryceh> however it'd require symptom tagging all the -nvidia bugs, and getting the chip names identified and such
[00:24] <bryceh> I made some scripts for doing this when we tagged -intel and -ati which could probably be modified to work on -nvidia
[00:25] <bryceh> it'd be a bit of work, but I know exactly what needs done.  Let me know if you want to undertake it and I can give specifics.
[00:34] <Sarvatt> ok starting to fill out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Bugs with symptoms and actions to take
[00:35] <Sarvatt> yeah its formatted horribly but thats easy to fix after making a significant list :)
[00:39] <Sarvatt> how do we want to start collecting lists of gpu's that need UMS quirks? a new tag?
[00:40] <Sarvatt> or just mark it when we see it somewhere
[00:45] <bryceh> Sarvatt, in the past I just stuck [Needs quirk] in the subject
[00:47] <bryceh> Sarvatt, afaik most remaining cases where quirks are needed will need done in the kernel, so we'll want a separate bug report for each piece of hw which we can forward to the kernel team to add the quirk
[00:49] <Sarvatt> btw about Backport Xv fixes and other fixes from -intel 2.10 (and 2.11), I really don't think thats going to be possible realistically from looking at it
[00:51] <Sarvatt> time to turn the computer off for tonight, thanks for all the help and getting me into bugcontrol :)
[01:45] <bryceh> Sarvatt, I'd be interested in hearing why not?
[02:04] <Sarvatt> well,  there was *so much* code refactoring between the initial drmmode overlay support addition just after 2.9.0 which we could easily bring in (and manually define DRM_MODE_OVERLAY_LANDED to enable) and the subsequent fixes that might be needed, the later fixes there wont apply to UMS which is like the main target for overlay support anyway (8xx not having textured video) and it might be dependant on PutImage acceleration which was one of the
[02:04] <Sarvatt> major features in 2.10 for decent performance
[02:09] <bryceh> mm, well I can still take a look when I get some time
[02:09] <bryceh> the Xv stuff actually went in pretty early on in the 2.10 tree so I think it has a higher chance of being a clean port
[02:10] <Sarvatt> I still think intel 2.10 might be a better choice at this point, selectively blacklisting KMS initially for 8xx people will guarantee they have vesa and a workable desktop and I still can't find any reports of the 8xx situation being better with UMS, just reports that nomodeset fixed things for them *because* it was forcing vesa to be used as intel couldn't work with it because of being built with --kms-only
[02:10] <bryceh> also I suspect it's self contained away from the stuff which changed
[02:10] <Sarvatt> yeah but there were a huge number of fixes for it throughout the 2.10 cycle (including the removal of UMS overlay so that code didn't get fixed along with the KMS fixes)
[02:21] <Sarvatt> so much for turning the computer off, got stuck updating xorg-edgers stuff since i'm behind :D
[02:37] <Sarvatt> woohoo sold off a bunch of old ram I had lying around, *almost* enough to buy that 8.9" eGalax touchscreen overlay for some evtouch testing :D
[04:19] <Sarvatt> why oh why does apport attach Xorg logs .gz and not in a format gedit can read sometimes? :D
[04:19] <Sarvatt> seems to be only when filed against xserver-xorg-video-intel and not generic xorg like this https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/540017
[04:40] <Sarvatt> xserver 1.7.6 out
[05:42] <tjaalton> yep
[06:16] <tjaalton> bryceh: is versions_current still going to be broken in the foreseeable future? I'd file some sync requests but it's harder to check what there are :)
[06:50] <bryceh> tjaalton, it's going to be broken a little while longer, but it's high on my todo list to fix
[06:52] <bryceh> Sarvatt, not sure it's apport that does that or launchpad
[06:52] <bryceh> but I know launchpad enforces a size limit on individual file uploads
[06:52] <tjaalton> bryceh: ok, I'll check the (short) list manually
[06:52] <bryceh> I assume the compression is to get around that
[06:53] <tjaalton> it's annoying that ffox sometimes doesn't open those itself, but uses file-roller
[06:54] <tjaalton> since it's perfectly capable to open gzipped text
[06:57] <bryceh> tjaalton, agreed
[06:58] <bryceh> heya tjaalton and jpetersen
[06:58] <bryceh> er tseliot and jpetersen :-)
[06:58] <tseliot> hi bryceh
[06:58] <jpetersen> hi bryceh
[06:58] <tseliot> and hi jpetersen
[06:58] <jpetersen> hey tseliot
[07:00] <tseliot> bryceh: can you send me those scripts of yours when you can, please? (i.e. how to close bug reports)
[07:00] <bryceh> tseliot, certainly
[07:00] <bryceh> in fact here I've been drafting the email describing them :-)
[07:00] <tseliot> I remember that something went wrong last time I tried with my scripts (which I lost)
[07:00] <bryceh> tseliot, sent
[07:00] <tseliot> hehe, excellent
[08:16] <Sarvatt> bryceh: pretty sure its apport - /home/robert/Downloads/XorgLog: application/octet-stream; charset=binary
[08:16] <Sarvatt> its 21k
[08:17] <Sarvatt> mime type is screwed up on the file so it doesn't transparently decompress the .gz
[08:19] <Sarvatt> well it doesn't have the .txt extension they usually have either after extracting it, cant imagine it would compress a 21kb file and leave a 1.8mb gpu dump on the same bug uncompressed on purpose..
[08:20] <bryceh> mm ok
[08:21] <bryceh> Sarvatt, might ask pitti for more rationale then
[08:43] <bryceh> seb128, present for you
[08:43] <seb128> hey bryceh
[08:43] <seb128> oh?
[08:44] <bryceh> seb128, http://www2.bryceharrington.org:8080/X/Reports/desktop-bugs/milestone-bugs.html
[08:44]  * seb128 clicks
[08:45] <seb128> oh, I love that list ;-)
[08:45]  * seb128 hugs bryceh
[08:45] <bryceh> :-)
[08:45] <seb128> bryceh, how do you determine what is a desktop component? using the packages the desktop-bugs team is watching?
[08:46] <bryceh> seb128, that's right
[08:46] <seb128> ok, so +packagebugs for the team in launchpad?
[08:47] <seb128> bryceh, thanks a lot!
[08:47] <bryceh> seb128, exactly
[08:47] <seb128> that will be handy for looking at lucid tasks
[08:47] <bryceh> glad to know the reports are useful :-)
[08:47] <seb128> bryceh, the page is updated daily I guess?
[08:47] <bryceh> hourly
[08:47] <seb128> even better
[08:47] <seb128> you rock ;-)
[08:47] <bryceh> script takes some time to run, but ~15 minutes
[08:48] <bryceh> that's for desktop as well as X, mozilla, audio, and openoffice
[08:48] <seb128> does that require anything special?
[08:48] <seb128> would it be faster to run from the dc? ie on a people page
[08:48] <bryceh> seb128, there are also JSON reports if you want to pull this data into bughugger
[08:48] <seb128> I don't want to load your server if we can use canonical servers for the same job
[08:49] <seb128> ah, nice
[08:49] <seb128> though I find the webpage easier to read than bughugger screen
[08:49] <bryceh> yeah
[08:49] <seb128> but bughugger let you do query which can be handy too
[08:51] <bryceh> well, the reports are generated from the same data as bughugger so it's not really any extra work to get both
[08:51] <seb128> bryceh, while you are there do you know about a way to "watch" xrandr events?
[08:51] <seb128> like a xrandr --monitor or something
[08:52] <bryceh> not sure what you mean
[08:52] <bryceh> there is xtrace but not sure that's what you're after
[08:52] <seb128> not sure if you read my laptop screen activation issue
[08:52] <seb128> basically if I suspend with external dvi on and laptop lcd off
[08:52] <bryceh> oh you mean for watching for things which poll/set stuff via libXrandr?
[08:52] <seb128> and wake up without the dvi screen
[08:53] <seb128> I get no screen
[08:53] <bryceh> have you seen doign a vt switch brings it back?
[08:53] <seb128> mars 16 20:59:16 <federico>	seb128: server/hw/xfree86/modes/xf86RandR12.c:xf86RandR12EnterVT()
[08:53] <seb128> mars 16 20:59:32 <federico>	seb128: basically see if something runs RRGetInfo() when unsuspending
[08:53] <tjaalton> it does
[08:53] <seb128> is what federico recommended
[08:53] <seb128> so I'm trying to set if RRGetInfo() get called
[08:53] <seb128> yes it does
[08:54] <seb128> set -> see
[08:54] <bryceh> yeah I've seen that one as well (or something similar)
[08:54] <bryceh> afaik there is nothing which watches xrandr events, although they often print into Xorg.0.log
[08:54] <seb128> mars 16 20:51:18 <federico>	seb128: that should already work, BTW - xserver got fixed so that it re-probes the outputs (and sends out RANDR events if appropriate) when it enters from a VT switch, and that happens when you unsuspend...
[08:54] <seb128> mars 16 20:51:34 <federico>	seb128: I don't know if that would be affected by KMS, though
[08:54] <bryceh> tail -f Xorg.0.log *might* get what you need
[08:54] <seb128> I'm trying to figure if that issue is from the xorg side
[08:55] <seb128> ie if that event doesn't get fired on waking up from suspend
[08:55] <bryceh> otherwise I think debug print statements would be needed.  Maybe federico has more clue
[08:55] <seb128> or if g-s-d just doesn't act on it
[08:55] <seb128> ok, thanks
[08:56] <bryceh> I'm curious if the fix for xserver is included for 1.7.6 (which tjaalton will be merging in soonish) or is in newer code than that
[08:57] <tjaalton> I don't think it has anything related last I looked
[08:59] <seb128> it might already be in 1.7.5
[08:59] <seb128> federico said he doesn't know how well that plays with kms though
[09:00] <tjaalton> what is?
[09:00] <bryceh> yeah
[09:00] <seb128> tjaalton, the "re-probes the outputs after suspend"
[09:00] <seb128> he said it's working in non-kms cases
[09:00] <seb128> but he didn't try with kms
[09:00] <seb128> and he was not sure if that could create issues
[09:02] <tjaalton> yeah it's an old commit
[09:02] <tjaalton> from last May
[09:02] <jcristau> the entervt code should still be called on resume
[09:04] <seb128> the xrandr output seems to be correct
[09:05] <seb128> but I'm still unsure if xorg or g-s-d should be activating screens
[09:05] <seb128> well xrandr does list the laptop lcd screen as active
[09:05] <jcristau> sounds like a kernel bug then
[09:05] <seb128> which is wrong since nothing is on screen
[09:06] <seb128> so xrandr seems to list correctly how things should be
[09:06] <seb128> ie what screen should be active
[09:06] <jcristau> it's not just brightness which is off?
[09:06] <seb128> but that doesn't match reality
[09:06] <seb128> no
[09:06] <seb128> if I dock the laptop again xrandr says the dvi is on
[09:06] <seb128> but the monitor led stay on orange
[09:06] <seb128> ie no signal
[09:07] <seb128> I do basically type xrandr before undocking
[09:07] <seb128> while undocked
[09:07] <seb128> and after docking again
[09:07] <seb128> and I get no screen after undocking or docking again
[09:07] <seb128> xrandr correctly list what should be active
[09:07] <seb128> but the screen gets no signal
[13:12] <Ng> man I wish X would timestamp its log entries
[13:12] <jcristau> 1.8 does.
[13:13] <Ng> something keeps making my screen flicker every half an hour or so (I think) and I can't tell if it corrolates with all the EDID stuff in logs
[13:13] <Ng> jcristau: good good :)
[13:17] <Ng> ok, doesn't corrolate with the log
[13:18] <Ng> I can't tell what it is though. I do hope my laptop isn't developing issues
[13:21] <tjaalton> Ng: flickers when it should go to sleep?
[13:22] <tjaalton> probably g-p-m not doing it's business
[13:22] <tjaalton> happens here too
[13:22] <Ng> tjaalton: nup, I'm using it, I just get a tiny little flicker along the bottom, but I work in a maximised window that's sitting on top of nautilus' background window, so it's quite hard to tell if it's a window briefly corrupting or the display as a whole
[13:23] <Ng> I have all the stupid "dim when idle" type options set off, and the display shouldn't be sleeping until it's been idle for half an hour
[13:24] <jcristau> what chip?
[13:24] <Ng> GM45
[13:25] <jcristau> weird.
[13:26] <Ng> yeah
[13:38] <Ng> hrm, I have a horrible feeling this is happening at the driver/hardware level
[14:04] <Sarvatt> Ng: I'd actually see if disabling the client side decorations patches for GTK+ fixes that issue
[14:05] <Ng> Sarvatt: I thought that was already done in Lucid? aiui the CSD stuff is deferred
[14:05] <seb128> Sarvatt, we did disable that one 3 weeks ago
[14:08] <Sarvatt> oh? I've been getting the maximized gnome terminal title changes scrambling my display until I moved the mouse up to the panel that I got from it before since then and just assumed it was still on, sorry
[15:01] <Sarvatt> bryceh: intel apport script is *definitely* too trigger happy, we're getting good bug reports masked because the gpu resets while still dumping and processing the previous reset and thats screwing things up
[15:01] <Sarvatt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/539837
[15:10] <Sarvatt> does it make sense to have the dump udev rule like it is? isn't it getting run even if apport is disabled as it is now since its calling the apport script straight from the udev rule when theres a drm change event with RESET=1 in the env?
[15:11] <Sarvatt> maybe putting it in -dbg where we can ask people to install it later when we ask for more info might be a good idea
[15:24] <Sarvatt> hmm, we could go a step further by putting a modprobe.d conf with options drm debug=4 (or some other value) in the -dbg package for extra good upstreamable reports? bad idea? :D
[15:40] <jpetersen> apport-gpu-error-intel.py seems to crash when there is no 'MachineType' key/value in the report, I attached a patch to https://launchpad.net/bugs/539533
[15:51] <bjsnider> Sarvatt, is the nouveau driver in the edgers ppa for lucid using galium?
[15:51] <bjsnider> ricotz, already posed the question
[16:42] <jibel> tseliot, hi, could you please have a quick look at bug 533970 .
[16:42] <jibel> There are likely duplicates but hard to diagnose. Thanks.
[16:43]  * tseliot has a look
[16:44] <tseliot> jibel: I'm pretty sure that we fixed that in Lucid
[16:44] <tseliot> jibel: in DKMS, that is
[16:46] <jibel> tseliot, the duplicate is from a few days ago in lucid.
[16:47] <tseliot> jibel: was it a dist-upgrade to Lucid?
[16:48] <jibel> tseliot, no
[16:51] <tseliot> hmm...
[16:54] <tseliot> jibel: let me check with cjwatson
[16:57] <jibel> tseliot, ok, thank you
[17:11] <tseliot> jibel: #536711 might be different from #533970. I'll ask further information in the latter report
[17:13] <jibel> tseliot, ok. There are many similar issues. Is there a way to distinguish them before triagers duplicates all of them ?
[17:15] <tseliot> jibel: yes, using DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer should show me what's going on. For example: DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer sudo apt-get install -f
[17:16] <jibel> tseliot, will do on recent reports of that kind. Thanks for your help.
[17:16] <tseliot> jibel: thanks to you
[17:16] <Sarvatt> bjsnider: darn my responses to him got lost, guess I wasn't connected at the time
[17:22] <bjsnider> to ricotz?
[17:22] <bjsnider> what were the responses?
[17:24] <ricotz> Sarvatt, hi
[17:24] <ricotz> Sarvatt, http://paste.ubuntu.com/396815/, compiz gives me not output, seems to fallback to metacity automatically
[17:32] <Sarvatt> ricotz: that looks fine, running compiz --replace in a terminal gives no output at all? if you're using an actual VT you need to use DISPLAY=:0 compiz --replace, not sure if you tried from a VT or gnome-terminal
[17:34] <Sarvatt> try compiz --debug --replace?
[17:34] <Sarvatt> try LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose compiz --replace
[17:35] <ricotz> Sarvatt, ok, one moment
[17:37] <Sarvatt> they just merged a nv30 and nv40 unification in mesa and I'm expecting theres problems there you're hitting
[17:37] <ricotz> libGL: OpenDriver: trying /usr/lib/dri/tls/nouveau_dri.so
[17:37] <ricotz> libGL: OpenDriver: trying /usr/lib/dri/nouveau_dri.so
[17:37] <ricotz> libGL: Can't open configuration file /etc/drirc: No such file or directory.
[17:37] <ricotz> libGL: Can't open configuration file /home/rico/.drirc: No such file or directory.
[17:38] <ricotz> ^ output for LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose compiz --replace
[17:39] <ricotz> Sarvatt, is it normal that /etc/drirc is missing
[17:39] <Sarvatt> yep
[17:40] <Sarvatt> only there if you installed driconf or manually changed it
[17:40] <ricotz> ok, didnt do that
[17:42] <Sarvatt> i'm not used to compiz being completely silent like this when theres errors, guess I'm used to having the wrapper still
[17:42] <ricotz> Sarvatt, or is compiz blacklisting nouveau
[17:43] <Sarvatt> nope it shouldn't be, I've used compiz on nv50 recently. i'm digging through the patches now
[17:47] <ricotz> Sarvatt, using "LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose compiz --debug --replace" gives some complains about plugin files (compiz (core) - Debug: Could not stat() file /home/rico/.compiz/plugins/libccp.so : No such file or directory)
[17:47] <Sarvatt> yeah I get that too
[17:47] <ricotz> but i see no problem in that
[17:47] <ricotz> ok
[17:47] <Sarvatt> yeah they're in another package not installed by default
[17:49] <ricotz> Sarvatt, are you the nouveau expert or RAOF?
[17:51] <Sarvatt> i'm confused, it should be doing a printf any time it launches the fallback window manager
[17:51] <Sarvatt> are you using metacity compositing?
[17:51] <ricotz> yes
[17:51] <Sarvatt> ahhh that explains it, cant start compiz with metacity compositing enabled
[17:52] <Sarvatt> thats a global problem not nouveau specific
[17:52] <ricotz> ahh ok, ill check
[17:52] <Sarvatt> metacity --no-composite --replace & (or uncheck the option in gconf) then compiz --replace
[17:53] <Sarvatt> its not actually launching the fallback, metacity is just refusing to give up compositing control to compiz
[17:53] <ricotz> same output as before
[17:56] <Sarvatt> you're sure metacity compositing  is disabled? no transparency? does the screen change to show just the background for a few seconds when you try to start compiz?
[17:56] <ricotz> yes, i am using docky which is a good indicator when compositing is gone ;-)
[18:00] <Sarvatt> pastebin ~/.xsession-errors?
[18:01] <Sarvatt> RAOF: you're using an NV40, have you had any problems like this with xorg-edgers today or yesterday?
[18:02] <ricotz> Sarvatt, no output
[18:02] <ricotz> i think he is still asleep ;-)
[18:02] <Sarvatt> just got my nvidia laptop back, 38 hours to fix all the bad hdd sectors on my wife's old one :( setting up nouveau on there now to see if I have any problems
[18:02] <ricotz> Sarvatt, ok, ty
[18:04] <ricotz> Sarvatt, another thing, are you able to run mutter on your main setup?
[18:04] <Sarvatt> yep thats what I use all the time
[18:05] <ricotz> ok, hoping gnome-shell is usable
[18:05] <Sarvatt> it was here on nouveau about 3 weeks ago when I built it last at least, will check once i get nouveau setup
[18:07] <ricotz> mutter/clutter needs to built against mesa git then?
[18:08] <Sarvatt> superm1 or tseliot: can we add jockey-text commands to the nvidia maintainer scripts in a way where it will get setup right if installing nvidia-current from a console? like in recovery mode
[18:08] <superm1> Sarvatt, you mean the postinst etc?
[18:08] <Sarvatt> yeah
[18:09] <Sarvatt> so it's actually working if you install it in recovery to try to fix things
[18:09] <superm1> i'd say that's probably not a smart idea, because you have no ideas on the state of dbus when that might be running
[18:09] <superm1> and you cant install from a chroot anymore
[18:09] <Sarvatt> ah ok I don't know much about how jockey is set up so I didn't know if it was possible
[18:09] <superm1> not to mention the circular loop of the fact those scripts get called when installing "from" jockey
[18:10] <Sarvatt> oh really? can't install from a chroot? that means I can close a crapload of bugs about it installing against the host kernel thats not available in a chroot
[18:11] <superm1> well it's possible now, but it wouldnt be if that change was made
[18:11] <superm1> at least not easily
[18:11] <Sarvatt> oh I see, there are quite alot of bugs about it not being able to install in a chroot because theres no headers for uname -r available
[18:14] <Sarvatt> ricotz: sorry this is taking awhile, had a few weeks worth of updates to grab
[18:16] <ricotz> Sarvatt, ok
[18:21] <Sarvatt> huh, sudo jockey-text -d xorg:nvidia_current doesn't call update-initramfs?
[18:22] <Sarvatt> need to remove the backlist from the initrd I thought
[18:26] <Sarvatt> guess it does it silently because lbm-nouveau is still loaded 1 second in
[18:28] <Sarvatt> ricotz: sarvatt@arcueid:~$ DISPLAY=:0 compiz --replace
[18:28] <Sarvatt> Launching fallback window manager
[18:28] <Sarvatt> Couldn't find a perfect decorator match; trying all decorators
[18:28] <Sarvatt> Starting gtk-window-decorator
[18:28] <Sarvatt> compiz no workie here either
[18:28] <Sarvatt> but I get messages..
[18:30] <Sarvatt> probably just a transient mesa problem, hopefully it'll be fixed soon :D
[18:32] <Sarvatt> installing your ppa packages and trying mutter
[18:34] <Sarvatt> X crashed
[18:36] <ricotz> Sarvatt, mutter will need to be built against edge mesa, i think
[18:37] <Sarvatt> your PPA works fine on intel
[18:37] <ricotz> mhh ok
[18:38]  * ricotz need to grab dinner
[18:39] <Sarvatt> plymouth is segfaulting and things are all screwed up because of it, ahh
[18:45] <Sarvatt> things are all kinds of screwed up and I can't mess with it remotely (not near the machine now) :(
[18:45] <Sarvatt> Window manager warning: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on display ':0.0'.
[19:16] <ricotz> Sav
[19:16] <ricotz> Sarvatt, using "MESA_DEBUG=1 LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose compiz --debug --replace" brings up a new line "Mesa warning: couldn't open libtxc_dxtn.so, software DXTn compression/decompression unavailable"
[20:34] <bjsnider> nvidia-current needs to conflict with nvidia-xxx-libvdpau to prevent mismatched libvdpau drivers
[20:42] <Sarvatt> thats normal and nothing  to worry about ricotz, it always tries to load that lib since its not able to be distributed with mesa
[20:59] <ricotz> Sarvatt, i have tried with latest mesa git, but it isnt working either
[20:59] <ricotz> so hopefully there is a fix coming soon
[21:00] <Sarvatt> can ya send me your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and dmesg just to look over? compiz isn't working here but I'd like to see how the packages are working on your system otherwise
[21:01] <Sarvatt> guess I should build mesa with debug enabled to troubleshoot it more
[21:02] <ricotz> yes this should generate more output
[21:02] <ricotz> i just used your current packaging now
[21:03] <Sarvatt> oh, you aren't using all of the xorg-edgers packages?
[21:03] <Sarvatt> rebuilt mesa yourself?
[21:03] <ricotz> yes
[21:04] <ricotz> i am using all packages, and for testing i built the mesa git now
[21:06] <Sarvatt> add --enable-debug to the confflags-common section in the rules
[21:07] <ricotz> did you get the Xorg.0.log?
[21:08] <Sarvatt> oh sorry didnt see the PK
[21:08] <Sarvatt> PM
[21:08] <Sarvatt> nope DCC sends are screwed up with my bouncer it looks like
[21:10] <Sarvatt> woohooooo jcristau's patches to move libdrm headers to $(includedir)/libdrm instead of $(includedir)/drm went upstream,  no more interfering with linux-libc-dev half of every release cycle :)
[21:12] <RAOF> Sarvatt: Good morning.
[21:12] <Sarvatt> that gets old fast because linux-libc-dev updates overwrite the libdrm-dev headers when you just use Replaces: linux-libc-dev in libdrm-dev
[21:13] <Sarvatt> heyo RAOF!
[21:13]  * bryceh waves
[21:13] <Sarvatt> can you try xorg-edgers and see if gallium works for you on your NV40 if you get any time today RAOF?
[21:13] <RAOF> Already have done; compiz fails silently.
[21:14] <ricotz> Sarvatt, i sent it to you via email
[21:14] <Sarvatt> thanks ricotz
[21:14] <Sarvatt> looks like you arent alone on compiz failing silently on nv40 right now :D
[21:15] <ricotz> RAOF, hi, was hoping you have an idea, wanted to try nouveau :-)
[21:15] <ricotz> RAOF, did you have time for docky yet?
[21:15] <RAOF> No, sorry.
[21:16] <RAOF> Sarvatt: neverputt SIGSEGVs in nouveau_dri.so; I'd guess edgers is just plain broken for now.
[21:17] <Sarvatt> yeah a crapload of gallium changes in mesa the past few days including the nv30-nv40 unification :(
[21:17] <RAOF> Aaaand that's my morning 10 minutes of xorg-edgers :)\
[21:18] <Sarvatt> building intel gallium now to see what happens when you have both classic and gallium dri drivers available
[22:37] <ricotz> Sarvatt, now i just installed your ppa mesa packages of 20100313 and its working