[01:34] <smspillaz> duflu: next-day-pong
[01:35] <MCR1> haha
[01:35] <duflu> smspillaz: Huh?
[01:35] <smspillaz> duflu: you pinged me at 5pm yesterday
[01:36] <duflu> smspillaz: Whatever it was I solved it... :/
[01:36] <duflu> Can't remember
[01:36] <smspillaz> it was probably about the xsync stuff
[01:36] <duflu> No, don't think so
[01:36] <duflu> smspillaz: Hmm, actually it was about how to reproduce anything slower than 60 FPS, so yeah
[01:37] <duflu> Clearly I need a slower machine with nvidia
[01:37] <duflu> And I did try a dirt-cheap nvidia card too
[01:37] <smspillaz> duflu: I found the cause
[01:38] <duflu> smspillaz: Yeah looks like it might be related to the LLVMpipe window movement regression I reported too
[01:38] <smspillaz> I've noted it in bug 1027211
[01:38] <smspillaz> just working on something that could work now
[01:38] <duflu> But I have been thinking about reverting the damage repair method to be asynchronous again
[01:38] <duflu> smspillaz: I know, just saying it might apply more to the other bug :)
[01:38] <smspillaz> duflu: well, I think you might be able to get away with removing the XSync in damage repair
[01:39] <smspillaz> unless there's a race condition I'm not aware of
[01:39] <duflu> smspillaz: The XDamage functions are synchronous too. They should not need another XSync
[01:39] <smspillaz> duflu: yeah
[01:39] <smspillaz> duflu: interesting though, removing that got me about 10fps
[01:40] <smspillaz> duflu: can you double check by breaking in _XReply in XDamageSubtractRegion ?
[01:40] <duflu> smspillaz: But weirdly at the time I swear I got damage artefacts without it and had a good reason.. ?
[01:40] <smspillaz> duflu: yeah I remember you saying something about that
[01:40] <duflu> smspillaz: Later... I am hours away from being able to look at code. It's the start of my day. Not sure where yours lies
[01:40] <duflu> lays?
[01:41] <smspillaz> duflu: I have a meeting at 12 today and thats it
[01:41]  * smspillaz somehow to conned into doing rails
[01:41] <smspillaz> *somehow got
[01:41] <duflu> smspillaz: rails?
[01:41] <smspillaz> duflu: ruby on rails
[01:41] <duflu> smspillaz: That's what I thought. OK
[01:42] <smspillaz> duflu: I'm doing this internship / volunteer position thingy with http://bighelpmob.org/
[01:43] <duflu> smspillaz: Cos you're generous... and bored :)
[01:43] <smspillaz> and I get sucked into things
[01:43] <smspillaz> and seem to be procrastinating getting that startup off the ground
[01:43] <duflu> smspillaz: I was criticising your complaint about holidays and then realized when I was at your age, I worked through the summer holiday too
[01:43] <smspillaz> workahol ;-)
[01:44] <duflu> 5/7ths pure alcohol
[01:44] <smspillaz> XD
[01:44] <duflu> Oops, 2/7ths
[01:44] <smspillaz> I see what you did there
[01:45] <smspillaz> 5/7ths also works
[01:45] <smspillaz> as to 7/7ths
[01:45] <smspillaz> *as does
[01:46] <smspillaz> duflu: anyways, what I was thinking of for the nvidia slowdown was to restore parts of the code that didn't immediately send geometry updates to the server but make it opt-in instead of opt-out
[01:46] <duflu> smspillaz: If that really is the main problem then we should stop. Sit on your hands. Sending geometry updates to the server is something we should do.
[01:47] <smspillaz> duflu: ah, sorry, delay sending those updates
[01:47] <duflu> Hence I was going to analyse the damage repair and again glib source priorities
[01:47] <smspillaz> duflu: it should be possible to do it right - this is what mutter is doing AFAICT
[01:47] <duflu> smspillaz: Yes but we have a feedback problem, probably. --> https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz/+bug/1025586
[01:48] <smspillaz> duflu: not really, its literally just that the nvidia driver can't handle ConfigureWindow requests at the same time as doing opengl
[01:48] <smspillaz> nfi why
[01:49] <smspillaz> (erm, can't handle a continuous stream of them)
[01:49] <duflu> smspillaz: Yeah that's a big issue, but maybe it's hard to distinguish multiple problems while the above bug exists
[01:51] <smspillaz> duflu: okay, sorry I stand corrected, mutter does do that
[01:51] <smspillaz> must be something else we do around that area
[01:51]  * duflu afk
[02:05] <fginther> bschaefer, I updated https://code.launchpad.net/~fginther/nux/add-code-coverage/+merge/138007 per your comments
[03:31] <smspillaz> duflu: ok, I have a workable solution to this problem, will have it up by tomorrow \o/
[03:34] <duflu> smspillaz: I'm still in analysis and will test your proposals against both bugs
[03:34] <smspillaz> duflu: the problem is a quasi-feedback-loop
[03:35] <duflu> As always, good software development is 80% of the time thinking and only 20% typing. Anything more than that is dangerous
[03:36] <smspillaz> duflu: nvidia chokes on XConfigureWindow, as expected, however because it chokes we get more time to send it more XConfigureWindow requests
[03:36] <smspillaz> which makes it choke even more
[03:36] <smspillaz> I'm part of the way done with it
[03:37] <duflu> smspillaz: So that sounds like the LLVMpipe bug. Please propose against that
[03:37] <duflu> And maybe nvidia too.
[03:38] <smspillaz> duflu: nah its just nvidia
[03:40] <smspillaz> duflu: unless llvmpipe has exactly the same problems
[03:40] <smspillaz> (eg with moving opengl around)
[06:14] <didrocks> Mirv: hey, around?
[06:26] <didrocks> Mirv: sorry, was disconnected in case you answered :)
[08:36] <didrocks> Mirv: still not around?
[08:42] <sil2100> didrocks: what's up?
[08:42] <didrocks> hey sil2100 :) I wanted to ask Timo to fix the python-support for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/google-mock/+bug/1076891
[08:42] <didrocks> so that we can fix google-mock MIR match
[09:14] <didrocks> sil2100: did what I say makes sense? if Mirv isn't around, are you taking that one? (should be easy)
[09:18] <sil2100> didrocks: I'll check up on that one in a moment then, I *should* be able ;)
[09:24] <didrocks> sil2100: excellent! thanks :)
[09:43] <seb128> sil2100, Mirv, didrocks: somebody wants to ask details on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/974242 about how the verification failed for that guy who just changed the verification-done to failed... it will block the SRU if it stays in this state
[09:44] <didrocks> seb128: I'll let that to mterry to handle it :)
[10:11] <MCR1> bschaefer: Are you still here ?
[10:12] <MCR1> bschaefer: Just FYI: I commented on the nux-reduce-scopes MP. Everything with it should be okay - I doublechecked it...
[10:26] <sil2100> didrocks: just now looking at the google-mock thing - hm, so you want to include python-support in main as well?
[10:27] <sil2100> Or is it possible to get rid of that dependency in google-mock?
[10:28] <didrocks> sil2100: did you read the comment? :)
[10:28] <didrocks> it is about NOT including it in main
[10:28] <didrocks> but moving to dh_python
[10:29] <sil2100> Ok, so removing python-support ;)
[10:29] <didrocks> yep
[15:20] <fginther> Trevinho, ping
[15:20] <Trevinho> fginther: pong
[15:22] <fginther> Trevinho, the proposed fix for the bamf 'kill No such process' issue is now building under jenkins. The build environment appeared to have been affected by a number of orphaned process on the build machine. After a reboot the builds are working again.
[15:22] <fginther> Trevinho, here's a build log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1414882/
[16:25] <fginther> Trevinho, can you suggest a reviewer for https://code.launchpad.net/~fginther/bamf/ignore-kill-return/+merge/138316
[16:26] <Trevinho> fginther: that script was initially written by tedg, even if I applied few modifications...
[16:27] <Trevinho> fginther: it looks good here btw
[16:27] <tedg> Yeah, we really should be switching to xorg-gtest when possible though.
[16:27] <tedg> That's the way forward :-)
[16:28] <didrocks> sil2100: hey, did you get any time to work on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/google-mock/+bug/1076891?
[16:29] <didrocks> oh you did!
[16:29] <didrocks> sil2100: thanks a lot :)
[16:29] <didrocks> sil2100: ah, it needs tweaking! :)
[16:29] <fginther> Trevinho, tedg, thanks for looking
[16:32] <sil2100> didrocks: probably! :)
[16:32] <sil2100> didrocks: comments are welcome!
[16:32] <didrocks> sil2100: I commented!
[16:32] <sil2100> Since right now I'm molesting ibus ;p
[16:33] <didrocks> sil2100: leave ibus alone! :)
[19:03] <fginther> bschaefer, can you take approve https://code.launchpad.net/~fginther/nux/add-code-coverage/+merge/138007 if it looks good now?
[19:03] <bschaefer> fginther, yup!
[19:04] <bschaefer> fginther, cool, im happy with that change, thank you!
[19:07] <fginther> Trevinho, tedg sorry to nag, but can https://code.launchpad.net/~fginther/bamf/ignore-kill-return/+merge/138316 be approved for merge?
[19:10] <tedg> fginther, Yeah, Trevinho approved it, just forgot to set the overall status.
[19:10] <tedg> I set that now
[19:10] <tedg> Hmm, alesage, do you know if bamf autolands?
[19:11] <fginther> tedg, yes it does
[19:11] <tedg> fginther, Okay, I would have expected a review by Jenkins...
[19:11] <alesage> my work here is finished
[19:12]  * fginther adds support for bamf ci jobs to his todo list
[19:12] <tedg> Ah, okay.
[19:39] <bobweaver> was unity2d dropped because no one wanted to port 4.X to 5 and qml2 ?  because nokia stoped for qml1.0 support ?
[19:40] <bobweaver> I want a real reason why as llvm is not all that great. or was it $ on canonical ?
[19:41] <bobweaver> I am asking this after watching Rick spencers thing on ubuntu on air
[19:43] <bregma> bobweaver, I believe it was dropped because it required a completely duplicate effort to maintain two identical desktops with two codebases
[19:44] <bregma> no sane entity would want to do that
[19:44] <bobweaver> bregma,  so in other words no moe money for qt devs ?
[19:44] <bobweaver> and no need for 2 things that do one thing
[19:44] <bregma> I don't know why one was chosen over the other, but I understand it was a difficult decision
[19:44] <bobweaver> well I guess that the next question is just that ^^
[19:45] <bregma> and most of the Qt devs were rolled into the since Unity project, so it wasn;t a money thing
[19:45] <bobweaver> why nux c++ stuff because it was house ?
[19:45] <bregma> *single Unity project
[19:45] <bregma> I really have no inside information on what motivated the final decision
[19:46] <bobweaver> I mean it makes sense but the only fact is that llvm is not working all that well for me
[19:46] <bregma> it's still a work in progress
[19:47] <bobweaver> I am not trying to fight for 2d here I just want a clear understanding of why I should learn nux and why I should learn welll learn more c++
[19:47] <bregma> Qt is also C++
[19:48] <bobweaver> if unity 3d was used which it is I am sure that there is a smarrter person then me that can tell me why these things are best to learn or why what thye work on is what they love
[19:48] <bobweaver> bregma,  I know that they are libs
[19:48] <bobweaver> but thanks :)
[19:49] <bobweaver> Like I could list of the top of my head why I love to use qml right , I am sure that there are people in this channel that can also do that with say compiz nux ect
[19:50]  * bobweaver is trying to get motivated ;?
[19:52] <bobweaver> Like Nux will be able to do X in the future that we could not see X doing in the future , kinda
[19:56] <bregma> Nux can do crazy things with shader (GPU) programming that Qt requires direct OpenGL programming on a canvas for
[19:56] <bregma> doing the same in QML requires extending QML using Qt and Open
[19:56] <bregma> OpenGL
[19:57] <bobweaver> what is wrong with opengl (es) rendering ?
[19:57] <bobweaver> thanks for this bregma  I really like this subject
[19:58] <bobweaver> so you are talking about libdeclaritive shaders from qt community ?
[19:59] <bobweaver> I guess what I do not understand about what you said ^^ is the "QML requires extending QML using Qt and Open"   what do you mean by "Open"  ?
[20:00] <bregma> OpenGL
[20:00] <bobweaver> TBH I have only been using qml and programming for 1.5 years
[20:00] <bobweaver> well qml 6 months maybe year
[20:01] <mhall119> bobweaver: I think the big difference is that Nux is a toolkit build on OpenGL, where at Qt has to go through abstraction layers before it gets to OpenGL
[20:01] <mhall119> which makes Qt portable, but also heavier
[20:02] <bobweaver> so I guess that I have to figure out why the shader system is different then the one used in Nux to see the great things that it offers
[20:02] <bobweaver> atp right now I am just learning how to layer things in nux
[20:02] <mhall119> I wouldn't expect "great things" in the way of features
[20:02] <mhall119> Nux is, after all, a very new toolkit
[20:03] <mhall119> but it should be fast and light and work well anywhere OpenGL support exists
[20:03] <bobweaver> mhall119,  something that I always thought about you is that you are easy to talk with about these types of things even if I am new and dont understand some things
[20:04] <bobweaver> bregma,  is also awesome j/s
[20:05] <bobweaver> so how does compiz and all this play togeather with Opengl
[20:05] <mhall119> bobweaver: It's easy for me to talk about things in a non-technical way, when I know so very little about the technical side of it :)
[20:05] <bobweaver> like can or how are there any limits on compiz and open gl
[20:06] <bobweaver> If there are *
[20:06] <mhall119> Compiz itself is kind of limited by X, and being a window manager for X
[20:06] <mhall119> Unity has had to work around some of those problems with things like Bamf
[20:06] <mhall119> since X doesn't have any concept of "this window belongs to this application"
[20:09] <bobweaver> mhall119,  I think that I need to go through more of the old code esp  the src/pirvate-unity-2d stuff so I can understand more of how the libs where all being drawn together. ATM I have bo clue where I would even start on that with 3d. besides just looking at #import's and then reading there libs
[20:09] <bobweaver> maybe there is a way to break the chain so to say
[20:11] <bobweaver> after I learn that maybe I will have a much better understanding of how unity as a whole is geared , and not just reading dash/* ect for unity 3d as I see that it is importing libs I just do not know what some of these libs do Or even how I can use them
[20:12] <bobweaver> I think that that right there is super impoant if I want to learn how to design anything in unity 3d. But I could be wrong.  There is no book called "How to become a unity developer " :)
[20:14] <bobweaver> or even better "How to become a unity developer for dummies "  though them books are junk anyways. maybe there is book for that but it is about gaming platform :)
[20:14] <bobweaver> of to learn thanks all
[20:14] <mhall119> mhr3: bschaefer: ^^ any chance someone from the Unity team could spare an hour and to a hangout/classroom session on this?  Seems it would help more than just the TV devs, but also anybody interested in contributing to Unity
[20:16] <mhall119> an ubuntuonair.com session with screen sharing would be fantastic
[20:20] <bobweaver> mhall119,  I would be there shit bro I would call into work
[20:20] <bobweaver> woops sorry about lang
[20:21] <bobweaver> got excited
[20:21] <Klap-in> bobweaver :)
[20:48] <bschaefer> mhall119, sorry, was on lunch
[20:49] <bschaefer> mhall119, hmm when would this hangout session be?
[20:51] <bschaefer> bobweaver, and how to become one? Fix bugs :)
[21:44] <mhall119> bschaefer: any time, any day
[21:46] <bschaefer> mhall119, cool, well I could, or I could help find someone else as I don't have a webcam
[21:48] <mhall119> bschaefer: we need to get you a webcam
[21:51] <bschaefer> mhall119, well I could possibly go out and find one out in the world
[21:52] <mhall119> there's this little place called "amazon.com" on the interwebs
[21:53] <bschaefer> o there is...that is right...and they have all my info...interesting...
[21:53]  * bschaefer goes to browse through the dash
[22:00] <mhall119> OMG! product listings that are relevant to your search terms! Oh the Humanity!
[22:03] <bregma> the question is, do we want bschaefer on a webcam or will that frighten too many prospective developers?
[22:04] <bregma> think of the children
[22:04] <mhall119> bregma: the internet has seen worse, the entire Canonical Community team was on camera for 24 hours
[22:05] <bregma> explain why my internet was down at the time
[22:06] <mhall119> I believe several ISPs and at least 2 foreign governments shut down access because of it
[22:08] <bschaefer> mhall119, bregma yes, think of them
[22:08] <bschaefer> are you volunteering bregma haha?
[22:09] <bregma> I don't have a webcam and I'm not going to get one
[22:09]  * bregma stick out his tongue
[22:09] <bregma> the last thinh I want is for my daughter to start using it while online
[22:09] <bschaefer> haha
[22:10] <bschaefer> well that makes sense


[08:26] <seb128> goood morning desktopers!
[08:29] <nteodosio> Good morning, seb128!
[08:34] <seb128> nteodosio, hey Nathan, how are you?
[08:36] <nteodosio> Very good, thanks! What about you, seb128?
[08:36] <seb128> I'm alright thanks!
[12:12] <jbicha> good morning
[14:50] <lissyx> seb128, do you know what would be triggering a /run/xxx path on the host without depending on gvfs?
[14:50] <lissyx> I'm trying to check if an upstream fix for https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1775497 works indeed
[14:50] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Mozilla bug 1775497 in Firefox Build System "[Flatpak] [Snap] Do not remember download directory as XDG Document portal directory but user-selected directory" [S4, New]
[14:51] <seb128> lissyx, you mean /run/user/<UID>/doc/<DOCID>/ ?
[14:51] <seb128> that's from the xdg document portal
[14:56] <lissyx> yes
[14:56] <lissyx> but i dont rememberr when we get one
[14:56] <seb128> the portal set it up but I don't know the details of how that's working
[15:15] <lissyx> seb128, ok /tmp/ does the trick
[15:15] <lissyx> (and the xdg-desktop-portal patch does not fix the issue at the firefox level)
[19:41] <KGB-0> gnome-settings-daemon Jeremy Bicha 400304 * commented merge request !14 * https://deb.li/OXo7


[04:44] <inetpro> Maaz: tell Kilos power restored just now
[04:44] <Maaz> inetpro: Righto, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[05:12] <Kilos> morning nlsthzn  and others
[05:21] <nlsthzn> hey uncle Kilos
[05:25] <Kilos> i wonder if inetpro  has had power restored yet
[05:26] <nlsthzn> yup
[05:26] <nlsthzn> maaz was supposed to tell you
[05:26] <nlsthzn> @08:44
[05:29] <Kilos>  <Maaz> By the way, inetpro on freenode told me "tell Kilos power restored just now" 27 minutes and 28 seconds ago
[05:29] <Kilos> i missed the second one. easier to just read first line
[05:29] <Kilos> lol
[05:31] <Kilos> now i just wait for a mail from the cc okes nlsthzn
[05:31] <Kilos> no meeting to attend
[05:31] <nlsthzn> ah so your nomination is in then :)
[05:31] <nlsthzn> good luck :D
[05:31] <Kilos> ya ty
[05:32] <Kilos> and elacheche from my africa channel
[05:33] <nlsthzn> :)
[05:34] <nlsthzn> been an OK week-end for SA rugby too
[05:34] <nlsthzn> only the cheetahs not winning
[05:34] <nlsthzn> *yawn*
[05:34] <Kilos> lol ya apart from the bulls
[05:35] <nlsthzn> bulls won at least :)
[05:35] <Kilos> oh did the bulls win
[05:35] <nlsthzn> didn't play well
[05:35] <nlsthzn> 1 point
[05:35] <Kilos> wow i watched the game and forgot
[05:35] <nlsthzn> >.<
[05:35] <nlsthzn> I guess it happens with age :p
[05:35] <Kilos> just know the sharks game was shocking
[05:36] <Kilos> but nice to see a rev taking note of how they cheat
[05:36] <Kilos> ref
[05:36] <nlsthzn> about time
[05:37] <Kilos> its a big thing with them to play guys off the ball to prevent them getting in the fray
[05:37] <nlsthzn> they been doing that for ages
[05:37] <Kilos> ya
[05:37]  * nlsthzn hears the little bundle of wind stir again... poor thing having a tough time of it the last week
[05:38] <Kilos> i think the tmo must be given the power to blow the whistle as well
[05:38] <nlsthzn> put his flag out
[05:38] <Kilos> ya
[05:39] <Kilos> remark on you comment
[05:39] <Kilos>  nlsthzn hears the little bundle of wind stir again... poor thing having a tough time of it the last week
[05:39] <Kilos> oh shame
[05:40] <nlsthzn> kept mom awake which is why I am not at a work thing today... keeping him in the front of the house with me while mom sleeps...
[05:40] <nlsthzn> so far having a better than average snooze so I am glad
[05:40] <Kilos> shame, whats wrong
[05:41] <nlsthzn> my wife can take a lot... had a c section that people didn't believe she had as she was up and about... but mess with her sleep >.< oh boy :p
[05:41] <nlsthzn> winds and cramps
[05:41] <nlsthzn> keeps him awake, gets over stimulated and then can't sleep more
[05:41] <nlsthzn> vicious cycle
[05:41] <Kilos> ai!
[05:42] <Kilos> old name popped up in head merbentyl
[05:42] <Kilos> wasnt that for winds and cramps
[05:44] <Kilos> and we found with ian , putting him on tummy to sleep let winds come out easy
[05:46] <nlsthzn> trying anything so thanks ;)
[05:46] <nlsthzn> :)
[05:47] <Kilos> good luck, we had 3 months where one had to stay awake and watch, because if he squeeled once he stopped breathing
[05:48] <Kilos> he got more bum whacks in his first 6 months that most get it a lifetime
[05:52] <nlsthzn> :(
[05:52] <nlsthzn> alls well that ends well
[05:52] <Kilos> yeah
[05:53] <Kilos> took 3 months in incubator and 3 months by us for his lungs to develope to the stage where we got some sleep
[05:54] <Kilos> haha and now he is balder than me already
[05:55] <nlsthzn> :)
[06:26] <Kilos> hi spinza  you flooding freenode again hehe
[06:27] <Kilos> something to do with your clients login methinks
[06:31] <Kilos> nlsthzn  why are list peeps so hard to get to meetings?
[07:09] <nlsthzn> not everyone sees the need for the meetings... most people use the loco as a source of free tech support... they don't want to assist etc...
[07:11] <Kilos> ai!
[07:13] <Kilos> now this new wiki page has taken over on google so i cant find the old list of members on launchpad
[07:13] <Kilos> was 73 i think
[07:18] <nlsthzn> this one? - https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-za
[07:18] <nlsthzn> 83 currently
[07:19] <Kilos> ya thats it ty nlsthzn
[07:19] <nlsthzn> googled "ubuntu-za launchpad" was the 4th link
[07:20] <Kilos> hi JoTraGo
[07:20] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[07:20] <Kilos> man nlsthzn  you know google isnt my friend
[07:20] <Kilos> i ask the wrong questions
[07:20] <nlsthzn> :)
[07:24] <Kilos> hmm...
[07:34] <Kilos> i think ive bitten off more than i can chew
[07:35] <Kilos> i need the pro to come back from church
[07:38] <nlsthzn> the way to eat an elephant is one bite at a time
[07:40] <Kilos> hahaha always a clever answer
[07:43] <Kilos> nlsthzn  have you got time to write a quick tutorial on how to get a launchpad id and join ubuntu-za
[07:43] <Kilos> oh joining is from the site hey
[07:44] <Kilos> spinza  ping
[07:45] <Kilos> nlsthzn  for noobs that know nothing
[08:03] <Kilos> hi SDCDev
[08:19] <nlsthzn> sorry uncle Kilos ... will look into something later... currently I need to get a shower and become human to run some errands and get back on nappy duty etc :p
[08:21] <Kilos> lol np
[09:03] <Kilos> so is there a was to subscribe or whatever its called so i can be mailed when new members join here
[09:03] <Kilos> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-za
[09:03] <Kilos> s/was/way
[09:24] <Kilos> hi hexdream
[09:24] <hexdream> Hi Kilos
[09:24] <Kilos> this is better than email imo
[09:25] <hexdream> Thanks for the reminder to join up with ubuntu-za
[09:25] <Kilos> we need all you lug guys here
[09:25] <hexdream> much faster
[09:25] <hexdream> yeah
[09:26] <hexdream> So things are pretty quiet today?
[09:26] <Kilos> remind wwk about the meet here on tueday night at 20.00 please
[09:26] <Kilos> yeah peeps are at church
[09:26] <Kilos> we are never as busy as #ubuntu
[09:27] <Kilos> i get lost there
[09:27] <Kilos> oh ya and kick vincent as well, he has been scarce here
[09:30] <hexdream> Things have been very quiet here LUG-wise.
[09:30] <Kilos> peeps are too busy trying to make a living
[09:31] <Kilos> we are always active with something or other here
[09:32] <hexdream> yeah. I just got myself a midi keyboard... going to try teach myself how to use it... of course that m3eans le3arning the audio applications, and jack.
[09:32] <Kilos> lol
[09:32] <hexdream> clearly I'm a sucker for punishment
[09:33] <hexdream> and looking at my typing I think I need some coffee
[09:35] <Kilos> lol
[09:35] <hexdream> brb
[09:35] <Kilos> ok
[09:36] <Kilos> hi Jacques_StrY
[09:36] <Jacques_StrY> Hi
[09:47] <nlsthzn> nice to see the some interaction with the LUG's :D
[09:52] <Kilos> ya
[09:52] <Kilos> i want to get them all involved
[09:53] <Kilos> we all have the same basic goal imo
[09:54] <hexdream> World domination!
[09:54] <Kilos> lol kinda
[09:54] <Kilos> hi captine
[09:54] <captine> hi there Kilos
[10:07] <Kilos> hexdream  we arent a channel tied to our topic. we try help with everything here
[10:08] <hexdream> Does anyone here have any experience with jack?  I'm thinking of setting up my system to run only through jack to keep apps like vlc from breaking while I muck around with various other audio apps.
[10:11] <nlsthzn> I messed with it a little bit some time ago but stopped...
[10:11] <nlsthzn> to much of a pita
[10:12] <Jacques_StrY> why is setting up a vlan connection in ubuntu such a pain...
[10:12] <Jacques_StrY> been trying to get it to work for 2hours+ with no luck
[10:14] <Kilos> just now freenode is going to ban spinza
[10:16] <Jacques_StrY> Anyone here have experience with vlan setup on ubuntu?
[10:17] <Kilos> there was someone did it a while ago
[10:18] <Kilos> wait for pro to return and tell him fixit
[10:19] <Jacques_StrY> haha well i'll keep trying will he's available
[10:19] <Jacques_StrY> not*
[10:19] <Kilos> lol
[10:23] <Kilos> he will most likely first tell you man this or that, then rtfs in caps and then he will help you
[10:24] <Kilos> stubborn old goat
[10:24] <Jacques_StrY> yea :)
[10:25] <Kilos> and when he sees what i have said he will login with an ai!
[10:25] <Kilos> id be lost without my pro
[10:25] <Jacques_StrY> haha
[10:27] <Jacques_StrY> i think it could be that my virtualbox is interfering
[10:27] <Kilos> oh you running that as well
[10:27] <Jacques_StrY> gonna try on another pc
[10:35] <Kilos> Jacques_StrY  once you got it working write a nice easy how to for us and post the link on trello please
[10:36] <Jacques_StrY> haha will do
[11:12] <Jacques_StrY> tried it on another pc but still no success
[11:12] <Jacques_StrY> vlan interface shows correctly in ifconfig but I can't ping out to vlan network
[11:13] <Jacques_StrY> can't ping vlan from another pc ass well
[11:13] <Jacques_StrY> as*
[11:27] <Kilos> hmm...
[11:27] <Kilos> you not doing rtfs
[11:28] <Kilos> vlan is a virtual lan right
[11:34] <Kilos> oh ethewrnet too
[11:34] <Kilos> ai!
[11:35] <Kilos> just when i thought v was for virtual
[12:49] <Jacques_StrY> nah vlan is virtual lan
[12:49] <Jacques_StrY> so you can connect to two seperate networks on one NIC
[12:49] <Kilos> same as virualbox
[12:50] <Jacques_StrY> in a way cause virtualbox can create vpn's for the guest operating systems
[12:50] <Kilos> this whole virtual think tips my head
[12:50] <Jacques_StrY> that's why I thought it might be interfering but on another system it didn't want to work too
[12:52] <Kilos> eish
[12:52] <Kilos> call mr fixit. you are missing something simple
[12:53] <Jacques_StrY> i have used it allot on windows systems but this my first time setting up on linux so I'm probably doing something wrong
[12:56] <Kilos> ya small thing you are missing im sure
[12:58] <Kilos> did you google?
[12:58] <Kilos> pro will say google is your friend
[12:58] <Kilos> http://www.microhowto.info/howto/configure_an_ethernet_interface_as_a_vlan_trunk_on_debian.html
[12:59] <Kilos> oh thats eth
[12:59] <Kilos> ai!
[13:10] <Jacques_StrY> lol i've been googling the whole time
[13:10] <Jacques_StrY> still am
[13:10] <Kilos> its a stupid thing i think
[13:10] <Kilos> nlsthzn  tell him man
[13:35] <stickyboy> Raise your hand if you like the Universe.
[13:35] <stickyboy> Kilos: ?
[13:37] <Kilos> hi8 stickyboy
[13:37] <Kilos> hi too
[13:37] <Kilos> help Jacques_StrY  setup a vlan please
[13:39] <smile> hi :)
[13:39] <Kilos> hi smile
[13:40] <smile> hi Kilos
[13:40] <smile> especially for you ;)
[13:40] <Kilos> hee hee
[13:42] <smile> I was translating a website to Afrikaans
[13:46] <stickyboy> Kilos: Working on server... and reading this about the Eagle Nebula: https://medium.com/starts-with-a-bang/the-most-amazing-hubble-image-ever-f9e7604fe106
[13:47] <stickyboy> LOL Kenyans always say "Africans" instead of "Afrikaans".
[13:47] <stickyboy> Ok, not always. But I've heard it a few times and I chuckle.
[13:47] <Kilos> here afrikaans is the language
[13:48] <stickyboy> Kilos: Yes. :)
[13:48] <Kilos> african is the peeps that live in africa
[13:48] <Kilos> wbb
[13:48] <stickyboy> But its similarity is obviously confusing. :P
[13:48] <stickyboy> ... because it's kinda similar to the name of the continent. :P
[13:49] <smile> stickyboy: you still chuckle? :p
[13:50] <stickyboy> Yes, because I know the difference and I hear people talk about it who mix the two.
[13:50] <Kilos> ya
[13:50] <Kilos> help them
[13:52] <Kilos> stickyboy  i asked you for a favour man
[13:52] <Kilos> help Jacques_StrY  he is having probs setting up vlan on linux
[13:55] <stickyboy> Kilos: Oh hehe.
[13:55] <Kilos> Jacques_StrY  state what you have done and tried
[13:56] <Kilos> lol
[13:56] <stickyboy> Uh, never done that.
[13:56] <Kilos> sigh
[13:56] <Kilos> you lug okes are supposed to know everything
[13:57] <Kilos> maybe you better join an ubuntu group somewhere for more knowledge
[13:57]  * Kilos hides
[14:01] <stickyboy> :P
[14:01] <stickyboy> Kilos: To be honest, I think I'm burned out.
[14:02] <Kilos> oh my
[14:02] <Kilos> time for leave
[14:02] <stickyboy> Kilos: I think I need a sabbatical.
[14:02] <stickyboy> Or maybe a Ferrari.
[14:03] <Kilos> lol
[14:03] <Kilos> ferraris are good ya, you can escape anything
[14:04] <stickyboy> lol
[14:04] <stickyboy> Going to the US next week.
[14:04] <stickyboy> But will only be slightly relaxing.
[14:04] <Kilos> work or play?
[14:05] <smile> stickyboy: no tesla for you? :p
[14:07] <stickyboy> smile: Actually, that's better.
[14:10] <Kilos> stickyboy  for how long are you going?
[14:11] <stickyboy> Kilos: 2 weeks.
[14:11] <smile> :)
[14:11] <Kilos> ah well enjoy what you can and persevere through the rest
[14:12] <stickyboy> Kilos: Mos def.
[14:12] <stickyboy> Gotta eat a bunch of Mexican food.
[14:12] <Kilos> lekker man
[14:12] <Kilos> they make good food
[14:14] <stickyboy> haha yeah
[14:15] <stickyboy> http://www.privacyfoundation.ch/de/service/server.html
[14:15] <stickyboy> Swiss Privacy DNS servers..
[14:15] <stickyboy> Stop using <IP_ADDRESS>, people. :P
[14:19] <Kilos> do you understand what they say in that link?
[14:21] <Kilos> ah found the english button
[14:21] <stickyboy> Kilos: I only copy the numbers aahahah
[14:23] <Kilos> lol
[14:23] <Kilos> always read the fine print
[14:24] <Kilos> thats normally where the catches lie
[14:25] <stickyboy> Kilos: So much wisdom
[14:25] <Kilos> lol
[14:26] <Kilos> hi captine
[15:04] <Jacques_StrY> Sorry was out for a bit
[15:06] <Kilos> we noticed haha
[15:06] <Jacques_StrY> >.<
[15:06] <Jacques_StrY> those servers pull some serious bandwidth
[15:06] <Kilos> im still looking for someone to help you
[15:06] <Kilos> hey smile
[15:07] <Kilos> Jacques_StrY  needs help with vlan setup
[15:07] <smile> hi :p I'm no vlan guy, sorry
[15:07] <Jacques_StrY> haha
[15:07] <Jacques_StrY> np i'm not in a hurry with the vlan setup
[15:07] <Kilos> sigh
[15:08] <Jacques_StrY> it's for at home
[15:08] <Jacques_StrY> so no rush
[15:08] <Kilos> someone here knows, and we will dig him out sooner or later
[15:08] <smile> Jacques_StrY: a VLAN at home? :o
[15:09] <Jacques_StrY> lol testing out the setup at home to implement later at work
[15:09] <Kilos> so then its important man
[15:09] <Jacques_StrY> smile: and my setup at home is pretty overkill
[15:09] <Kilos> explain in noob language what you are doing
[15:10] <Kilos> i bash my way through stuff
[15:10] <Kilos> then cry and someone feels sorry for me and helps
[15:10] <smile> Jacques_StrY: maybe you wanted the porn separated ;)
[15:10] <Jacques_StrY> smile: That was supposed to be a  secret!
[15:11] <smile> sorry o.O
[15:11] <Jacques_StrY> >.<
[15:11] <Jacques_StrY> haha
[15:11] <Jacques_StrY> So I setup a IPFire router that handles the internet for a portion of the network
[15:12] <Kilos> smile meeting here tuesday night hey
[15:12] <smile> Kilos: okay! :D what time?
[15:12] <Kilos> 20.00 our time
[15:12] <Jacques_StrY> That way I have good QOS and can easily switch between internet lines if main internet drops
[15:12] <smile> good plan, yes :p
[15:12] <smile> you use multiple ISPs?
[15:13] <Jacques_StrY> smile: Well if adsl drops in total I can then switch to wireless
[15:14] <smile> :)
[15:14] <smile> I have VDSL :D
[15:14]  * Jacques_StrY cries
[15:15] <Jacques_StrY> we can't get anything faster than 4mb here
[15:15] <smile> Jacques_StrY: no 4G yet?
[15:16] <Jacques_StrY> We have but I push too much bandwidth to go permanent 4g
[15:16] <smile> I see
[15:17] <smile> what about multiple ISP connections?
[15:17] <Jacques_StrY> the problem is our dsl goes of regularly at home
[15:18] <Jacques_StrY> bout once every 3-4 months and usually almost a week
[15:18] <smile> satellite internet! :D
[15:18] <smile> :o
[15:18] <smile> here every year two times
[15:18] <Jacques_StrY> for some reason lighting loves our exchange etc..
[15:18] <smile> usually a few days
[15:19] <smile> internet exchange? which one do you use?
[15:19] <Jacques_StrY> i'm confused, dsl area exchange
[15:21] <Jacques_StrY> I'm with Afrihost as ISP but they have been super stable
[15:23] <Jacques_StrY> but I need to use vlan on my file servers cause they have to be accessible on both networks and that's where the problem is
[15:23] <Jacques_StrY> smile: You guys so lucky with VDSL :)
[15:24] <smile> Jacques_StrY: fiber is coming to the city near me
[15:24] <smile> ;)
[15:26]  * Jacques_StrY cries again...
[15:26] <Kilos> Jacques_StrY  im just guessing
[15:26] <Kilos> have you run traceroute and tracepath
[15:26] <Kilos> and the other on was route -n i think
[15:27] <Kilos> if they on they same network they must be accessible somehow
[15:27] <Jacques_StrY> Well route -n displays the main network and the vlan as expected
[15:28] <Kilos> and you can ssh into the servers?
[15:29] <Kilos> oh no if you cant ping them you wont
[15:29] <Jacques_StrY> i'm currently logging in via ssh on main network but no luck on vlan
[15:30] <Kilos> there must be a way
[15:30] <Jacques_StrY> Probably something small and obvious I'm missing
[15:30] <Kilos> wait for fly and pro
[15:31] <Kilos> can you see their ip addys
[15:32] <Jacques_StrY> network only main IP - vlan not responding
[15:32] <Kilos> unplug and replug
[15:32] <Jacques_StrY> But I can ping own vlan IP from self >.<
[15:33] <Jacques_StrY> So vlan supposed to be on
[15:36] <smile> Jacques_StrY: it's some years, but it's coming :)
[15:36] <smile> professional, big companies already have it
[15:37] <Jacques_StrY> Oh well, RTB will get it someday...
[15:44] <Kilos> Jacques_StrY  guessing again
[15:44] <Kilos> isnt your firewall blocking them
[15:44] <Kilos> or router firewall
[15:44] <smile> is RTB Roatan? :)
[15:45] <Kilos> rustenburg
[15:45] <Jacques_StrY> >.<
[15:45] <Kilos> same place ian stays
[15:45] <Jacques_StrY> well could maybe be ubuntu firewall
[15:45] <Jacques_StrY> i'll check
[15:58] <captine> Jacques_StrY, ADSL going down sucks.  I have been fortunate... very little down time
[16:00] <Jacques_StrY> we we of for a few days bout 2 weeks back - tree fell on telephone lines - getting used to it :)
[16:02] <Kilos> wb nlsthzn
[16:02] <Kilos> Jacques_StrY  did you try running route -n from the servers
[16:03] <Kilos> and other commands
[16:04] <Jacques_StrY> well ifconfig and route -n both show the interface correctly
[16:05] <Jacques_StrY> Well something is wrong vlan interface shows packets sent but none recieved
[16:06] <Kilos> inetpro  ?
[16:07] <stickyboy> Fixed OCSP stapling on my blawggggg.
[16:07] <stickyboy> https://mjanja.ch/
[16:07] <stickyboy> Now your browsing should be milliseconds less. Yay? https://mjanja.ch/
[16:09] <Jacques_StrY> Nice - didn't even know about OCSP stapling >.<
[16:09] <Kilos> lol
[16:09] <Kilos> i still don
[16:09] <Kilos> t
[16:10] <nlsthzn> o/
[16:13] <Kilos> the guys that know will hide tonight Jacques_StrY
[16:14] <stickyboy> Kilos: That's super deep, d00d.
[16:14] <Kilos> haha
[16:14] <Jacques_StrY> haha
[16:17] <stickyboy> OCSP stapling has to do with how a client determines the server's HTTPS certificate is valid. :D
[16:18] <stickyboy> I can't get over how beautiful this article is... https://medium.com/starts-with-a-bang/the-most-amazing-hubble-image-ever-f9e7604fe106
[16:23] <Jacques_StrY> that looks ridiculous
[16:35] <captine> i really dislike juniper networks vpn through IS. What a pain to get working on 64bit ubuntu
[16:38] <Jacques_StrY> AND IT IS WORKING!
[16:38] <Jacques_StrY> sorry for caps
[16:38] <Kilos> oh wow what did you do Jacques_StrY
[16:39] <Jacques_StrY> it would seems that i was using the wrong term for what I was trying to do
[16:39] <Kilos> write it all down
[16:40] <Kilos> ai! you bad as me
[16:40] <Jacques_StrY> in fact I don't want vlan but IP aliasing
[16:40] <Jacques_StrY> with vlan you need network switch support, which I don't have
[16:41] <Jacques_StrY> and the only difference between them in /etc/network/interfaces
[16:42] <Kilos> sjoe
[16:42] <Kilos> well glad you found it
[16:42] <Jacques_StrY> is vlan you use ex. eth1.0 and ip aliasing eth1:0
[16:42] <Jacques_StrY> just had to replace the "." with ":"
[16:42] <Kilos> well done
[16:43] <Jacques_StrY> >.< well I learned allot with all the google searched so wasn't that bad
[16:43] <Jacques_StrY> TY
[16:45] <Kilos> now the lurkers can show their faces
[16:45] <Jacques_StrY> haha
[16:45] <Kilos> Jacques_StrY  write it down
[16:45] <Jacques_StrY> did thanks :)
[16:46] <Kilos> see, that was a tiny thing
[16:46] <Jacques_StrY> Yep
[16:47] <Kilos> linux is good, but very tricky
[16:47] <Jacques_StrY> But it's good the Pro's not here, being spoon fed isn't good
[16:47] <Kilos> shup you i need to eat outa spoons
[16:47] <Jacques_StrY> linux has a way of showing your illiteracy
[16:48] <Jacques_StrY> been learning that the hard way from the day i started using it
[16:48] <Kilos> ouch
[16:48] <Kilos> i was worse im sure
[16:49] <Kilos> went to #ubuntu for help and couldny keep up and in their lists the tell you use apt-get or aptiude commands but dont tell you about sudo
[16:50] <Kilos> then fly found me foundering and brought me here
[16:51] <Kilos> lol i even chatted to maaz and wondered why it gave such funny replies
[16:51] <Kilos> and im sure everyone remembers my "whats sudo"
[16:51] <Jacques_StrY> took me a while to figure out the bot too >.<
[16:53] <Jacques_StrY> Maaz: put on the kettle
[16:53] <Maaz> Jacques_StrY: *blink*
[16:53] <Kilos> shame poor fly had to explaind everything step by step
[16:53] <Kilos> such patience
[16:53] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee on
[16:53]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[16:53] <Kilos> Maaz  with cremora
[16:53] <Maaz> Ah! At last someone with taste
[16:53] <Kilos> Maaz  and milk
[16:53] <Maaz> Now you're talking
[16:54] <Kilos> inetpro  coffee time
[16:54] <Kilos> its safe to come out now
[16:57] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[16:59] <Kilos> Maaz  ty
[16:59] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[17:35] <Jacques_StrY> brb
[18:09] <Kilos> hi Mopkop
[18:09] <Mopkop> Hello!
[18:09] <Mopkop> Playing some minetest
[18:09] <Kilos> se vir pa ian sal hom hierdie week epos
[18:10] <Mopkop> Ok, ek maak so :)
[18:10] <Kilos> danke
[18:14] <Mopkop> Plesier!
[19:38] <inetpro> good eveneing
[19:38] <Jacques_StrY> Good evening
[19:38] <Mopkop> Good evening inetpro!
[19:39] <inetpro> sjoe, all waiting for me to say something?
[19:39] <inetpro> :-)
[19:39] <inetpro> how is everyone here?
[19:39] <inetpro> oh and hi Kilos also
[19:42] <inetpro> ai!
[19:43] <inetpro> clearly he's engaged with some gaming activity or...
[19:44] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[19:44] <Mopkop> lol
[19:44] <Kilos> wb
[19:45] <inetpro> why are you guys so quiet this evening?
[19:45] <Kilos> you arent here
[19:47] <inetpro> ai!
[19:47] <inetpro> but when I'm here others even leave
[19:47] <Kilos> hehehe
[19:47] <Kilos> no
[19:48] <Kilos> you and fly are the corner stones here
[19:48] <inetpro> look ^^, neil just slipped out the door
[19:48] <Kilos> nappy time
[19:48] <inetpro> :-)
[19:49] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[19:49]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[19:49] <Kilos> hes been doing it all day
[19:49] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee please
[19:49] <Maaz> Kilos: Yessir
[19:49] <inetpro> one last cuppa virtual java for the night
[19:50] <inetpro> while we still have lights
[19:50] <Kilos> wow already
[19:50] <inetpro> see, next one out
[19:50] <Kilos> seems like storm taking its time to get here tonight
[19:50] <Kilos> read logs man he has bad connection
[19:51] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:52] <Kilos> sometime we gotta go to lp so i can merge the africa site
[19:53] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro and Kilos!
[19:53] <Kilos> oh inetpro  g+ and tweet place please
[19:53] <Kilos> Maaz  danke
[19:53] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[19:53] <Kilos> ive done lists
[19:53] <inetpro> Maaz: dankie
[19:53] <Maaz> Groot plesier inetpro my vriend
[19:53] <inetpro> Kilos: cool, what did you add?
[19:54] <Kilos> you guys all work tomorrow hey
[19:54] <Kilos> i want to go see what you did
[19:54] <Kilos> i mean i want to bring it here
[19:54] <inetpro> Kilos: g+ event does it's own thing, no need to touch that
[19:54] <Kilos> ok
[19:54] <Kilos> tweet  place
[19:55] <inetpro> tweet place, we can do tomorrow
[19:55] <Kilos> we?
[19:55] <Kilos> how many usses in your wee
[19:55] <inetpro> Kilos: "...so i can merge the africa site"
[19:55] <inetpro> you have something to merge?
[19:56] <Kilos> doesnt merge mean bring it to your pc?
[19:56] <smile> good night :)
[19:56] <Kilos> night smile
[19:56] <Kilos> sleep tight
[19:56] <Mopkop> Good night smile!
[19:56] <smile> thanks ;) you too
[19:57] <inetpro> Kilos: merge = combine or cause to combine to form a single entity
[19:57] <inetpro> gnight smile
[19:57] <Kilos> ai!
[19:57] <Kilos> just as well i couldnt get lp working
[19:57] <Kilos> again
[19:57] <inetpro> Kilos: like water, milk and coffee
[19:58] <Kilos> my ubuntu-africa here is empty
[19:58] <Kilos> deleted the old one
[19:58] <inetpro> one guy provides milk, another water and yet another coffee
[19:58] <Kilos> lol
[19:59] <Kilos> i only turned the kettle on
[19:59] <inetpro> and the main guy merges them together to make a perfect drink
[19:59] <Kilos> ohi superfly
[19:59] <superfly> hi Kilos
[20:00] <inetpro> hello superfly
[20:01] <inetpro> Kilos: so far I think superfly only came with the water
[20:01] <Kilos> no man he did everything
[20:01] <inetpro> at least it's still steaming hot
[20:01] <inetpro> so you can make something with it
[20:01] <Kilos> lol
[20:01] <inetpro> just need some more ingredients
[20:02] <Kilos> what did you put there inetpro
[20:02] <Kilos> the other contact info etc
[20:02] <Kilos> we can rope in Mopkop  too remember
[20:02] <Mopkop> Yea. I'm game :)
[20:03] <Kilos> maybe it can go live before the cc decides on council members
[20:03] <superfly> i need to figure out how to play minetest with my cardboard
[20:03] <Kilos> lol
[20:04] <inetpro> Kilos: uh, I was powerless, remember!?
[20:04] <Kilos> yes
[20:04] <superfly> inetpro: your normal excuse :-P
[20:04]  * inetpro has a good excuse
[20:04] <Kilos> but only till 7 am
[20:04] <inetpro> :-)
[20:04] <Kilos> thats 15 hours ago
[20:05] <inetpro> ai!
[20:05] <inetpro> ok, ok, I was lazy also
[20:05] <Kilos> hee hee
[20:05] <inetpro> and I was afk as well
[20:05] <Kilos> what has to be done still before it can go live
[20:05] <inetpro> Kilos: ingredients!!!
[20:06] <superfly> Kilos: coffee, according to inetpro, which I think he said he's providing
[20:06] <Kilos> man i told you i could get in to lp to see it
[20:06] <Kilos> all avy
[20:06] <Kilos> aha
[20:07] <Kilos> inetpro  put the coffee
[20:07] <Kilos> please
[20:07] <inetpro> Kilos: what information do you want people to see on the site?
[20:07] <Kilos> links to the same stuff as on our site
[20:07] <Kilos> get ubuntu etc
[20:08] <Kilos> i dont know what list to use there i already getting many mails
[20:08] <Mopkop> Maybe a page to link all the different LoCo's?
[20:08] <Kilos> yes please Mopkop
[20:09] <inetpro> isn't that dynamic kind of stuff that is better hosted on the wiki as is?
[20:09] <Kilos> or a link to the wiki with the missing ones
[20:09] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AfricanTeams#preview
[20:10] <inetpro> I wouldn't put that on the website
[20:10] <Kilos> ok
[20:10] <Kilos> thats why you are here
[20:11] <Mopkop> Usually when designing a website I work backwards. I start by thinking what people would type in to Google to get to our site. And then I build the site based on what I think they would like to see on the site.
[20:11] <Kilos> im the greeter bot remember, already you have me running around serving coffee
[20:12] <Kilos> too late to go backwards Mopkop
[20:12] <Kilos>  http://ubuntu-africa.snyman.info/
[20:12] <Kilos> thats a must
[20:12] <Kilos> maybe something to tell peeps to refresh a few time
[20:13] <Kilos> i think this is about the best site out there
[20:13] <Mopkop> That's just a template. I'm thinking of the content.
[20:13] <inetpro> eish! The wiki very slow again this evening
[20:14] <inetpro> Kilos: that is really just en empty shell
[20:14] <Kilos> prettiest shell out there
[20:14] <Kilos> the refresh bit is very cool
[20:14] <Kilos> well done my fly
[20:15] <inetpro> lol
[20:15] <Kilos> hopefully my last list mail brings more peeps
[20:15] <Mopkop> People would want to know what Ubuntu Africa does, how to join the team, where to get support and so on. Working backwards also helps with SEO.
[20:16] <Kilos> that is in our site already just needs links changed
[20:17] <Kilos> Mopkop  do the thing
[20:17] <Kilos> um
[20:17] <Mopkop> Yes I like the theme also. Well done superfly!
[20:17] <Kilos> bzr thing
[20:17] <Kilos> and work backwards then
[20:17] <Mopkop> On Ubuntu-africa?
[20:17] <Kilos> ill be here
[20:17] <Kilos> yes
[20:17] <inetpro> why?
[20:18] <Kilos> well point him there to see whats done inetpro
[20:18] <Kilos> to your merge thing
[20:18] <Kilos> and dont start the why thing again
[20:19] <inetpro> lol
[20:19] <Kilos> hehe
[20:19] <Kilos> and i need a link so i can see
[20:19]  * inetpro needs to change strategies
[20:19] <Kilos> not a lp page
[20:19] <inetpro> the why trap is failing
[20:19] <Kilos> lol
[20:19] <Kilos> nono
[20:19] <Kilos> hehe
[20:20] <Kilos> im not 3 im 63
[20:20] <inetpro> Kilos: who?
[20:20] <Mopkop> Haha
[20:20] <Kilos> who what?
[20:20] <Mopkop> Kilos: Which branch should I get?
[20:21] <inetpro> who is the site for?
[20:21] <Kilos> the latest one inetpro put there
[20:21] <Mopkop> Ok...
[20:21] <Kilos> it is for all of us inetpro
[20:21] <inetpro> no
[20:21] <Kilos> dont forget its for all of africa but driven by za
[20:22] <inetpro> Mopkop: lp:ubuntu-africa
[20:22] <Kilos> thats why i asked this morning about my team twit
[20:22] <inetpro> Kilos: keep it simple, stay static with just the bare minimum
[20:23] <Kilos> i will promote the site my team built
[20:23] <Kilos> tell Mopkop
[20:23] <Kilos> Mopkop  listen to the man hey
[20:24] <Kilos> we dont want slow eye candy
[20:24] <Kilos> we want fast efficient info site
[20:24] <Kilos> the template thing is all the pretty we need
[20:25] <Kilos> right or wrong inetpro  ?
[20:25] <Mopkop> Haha, Yes even though I still think CMS is best for team projects. At least we have a fast site.
[20:25] <Mopkop> lp:ubuntu-africa is still the same as last?
[20:25] <Kilos> fast is the answer in todays world
[20:25] <Mopkop> And I still can't see the pictures, without putting in that Javascript thingy.
[20:25] <inetpro> Kilos: yes and no
[20:26] <Kilos> explain
[20:26] <Kilos> this isnt an afrikaans channel ja nee
[20:26] <inetpro> Kilos: yes it's the same but no it was reversed to remove your twit pages and then merged with the new theme
[20:27] <Kilos> is the theme the template
[20:27] <inetpro> so in effect, the fly has really done all the work still
[20:27] <Kilos> yes as he says as usual
[20:27] <Kilos> but we love him for it
[20:28]  * inetpro merely assisted by mixing the ingredients
[20:28] <Kilos> and its constructive work that will live on after him
[20:29] <Kilos> what ingredients?
[20:29] <inetpro> ai!
[20:30] <Mopkop> Lol.
[20:30] <Mopkop> So far just the coffee I think.
[20:30] <Kilos> you sent Mopkop  to a blank site with only template
[20:31] <Kilos> there should be a link to #ubuntu-africa
[20:31] <superfly> Mopkop: a CMS is a security nightmare waiting to happen... only in the case of WordPress, it's been happening for the last 10 years.
[20:31] <Kilos> and if someone wants to do it a mailing list
[20:31] <superfly> (and WordPress isn't a CMS in the real sense either)
[20:32] <superfly> Kilos: I'm going to set up ubuntu-africa.info at the end of this month
[20:32] <Mopkop> superfly: I can confirm that. I've been hacked with Joomla once.
[20:32] <Kilos> cool ty superfly  ill try get the guys to do something there
[20:32] <superfly> Mopkop: Joomla is just a mess
[20:33] <Kilos> did you look at what the pro proposed superfly
[20:33] <superfly> Mopkop: if I *have* to use PHP, I use Drupal. Otherwise I'd rather use static, or something written in Python
[20:34] <superfly> Kilos: I'm not sure if I'm following... you'll have to explain it to me,.
[20:34] <Kilos> superfly  inetpro  did something there and its waiting for approval
[20:34] <superfly> oh
[20:35] <superfly> I'll go have a look
[20:35] <Kilos> ty
[20:35] <inetpro> Kilos: oh?
[20:35] <Kilos> oh my
[20:35] <inetpro> superfly: no
[20:35]  * inetpro has added nothing else, just yet
[20:35] <Mopkop> superfly: Never tried Drupal before. CMS is good when many people have to collaborate, and you have 800+ pages. I can't find a good CMS static generator. I thought of making one myself.
[20:35] <superfly> Kilos: yeaah, I don't see anything
[20:35] <Kilos> eish
[20:36] <superfly> Mopkop: static site generators are too technical for most plebs
[20:36] <superfly> (and dominees)
[20:36] <Kilos> lol
[20:37] <Kilos> inetpro  where are the ingredients
[20:37] <Mopkop> Lol, then a Joomla-static-converter. :) That would be nice :)
[20:37] <superfly> inetpro: what's your proposal, oom?
[20:37] <inetpro> Kilos: last I remember was where I struggled to get you to visit a simple web page
[20:37] <Kilos> nono man moppie doen dit soos vlieg dit doen hy weet van
[20:38] <inetpro> Kilos: https://trello.com/c/hRfmh5Kd/45-build-ubuntu-africa-site
[20:38] <Kilos> sigh
[20:39] <Kilos> what you want there inetpro  ? a comment?
[20:39] <inetpro> superfly: what more do we need other than on the trello checklist?
[20:41] <inetpro> in other words, the crucial items for now are: 1. Content for the Front page, 2. Get involved page and 3. IRC page
[20:41] <Mopkop> Do we just need the 3 things on the checklist for the site to go online?
[20:41] <superfly> inetpro: I think that's probaby all.. apart from a couple of links to the wiki
[20:41] <superfly> inetpro, Mopkop: pretty much
[20:42]  * inetpro can agree on that
[20:42] <inetpro> we can always discuss anything else later
[20:43] <Kilos> is the hosting and config your stuff superfly  ?
[20:43] <superfly> Kilos: yes, I'll organise that.
[20:43] <Kilos> cool ty so Mopkop  and inetpro  are tied to the rest
[20:45] <Mopkop> Ok, can we remove the current pages. The 'tags' and 'RSS'. I really do not see the use for it in a static site.
[20:45] <Mopkop> And 'Archive'
[20:45] <Kilos> superfly  inetpro  ^^
[20:46] <inetpro> yes and Source
[20:47] <Mopkop> Just one more question. Are the picture suppose to not show in the trunk version of the site? Just wondering if it is not maybe a problem with my Nikola
[20:48] <Kilos> oh i was missing nikola
[20:48] <superfly> Mopkop: I'm not sure if they'll work locally, because I think I address some things as though you're on the internet
[20:48] <superfly> Mopkop: that's easy. edit the conf.py file
[20:48] <superfly> (your first question)
[20:49] <Kilos> superfly  whats that thing you doing minetest on
[20:49] <inetpro> Mopkop: nikola --version
[20:50] <superfly> Kilos: want to do, not am. Google Cardboard.
[20:50] <Kilos> is that a thing like a pi
[20:50] <superfly> ek moet gaan slaap. nag mense
[20:50] <Mopkop> superfly: Yes I know about the menu thingies. I just thought the bootstrap Javascript you added to the site is missing in the trunk. If I copy-paste that code in the footer into my local copy and make a file to contain the script, it works locally.
[20:50] <Mopkop> inetpro: Nikola v7.3.1
[20:50] <Kilos> sleep tight superfly
[20:50] <Mopkop> Nag superfly!
[20:51] <inetpro> Mopkop: I have v7.3.0 and I see pictures
[20:51] <inetpro> lemme upgrade quick
[20:52] <superfly> Mopkop: oh, did I forget to commit the file? ai.
[20:53] <superfly> remind me tomorrow evening, I'll go add it
[20:53] <Mopkop> Ok, I'll do that.
[20:53] <superfly> anyway, night night
[20:53] <inetpro> works for me
[20:53] <Mopkop> inetpro: That is what I was afraid of.
[20:54] <Mopkop> Let's see, maybe it's just firefox.
[20:55] <inetpro> sorry Mopkop, maybe I was just not understanding your issues
[20:55] <Mopkop> Nope, not just with Firefox.
[20:56] <Mopkop> Maybe it's not branching the new commits.
[20:56]  * inetpro is lost now
[20:57] <inetpro> Mopkop: not branching the new commits?
[20:58] <Mopkop> I mean, maybe an older version is still stored, and the update command doesn't work.
[20:58] <inetpro> Mopkop: did you create your own branch?
[20:58] <Mopkop> No.
[20:59] <Mopkop> Let's see let me just delete everything and start over again.
[20:59] <inetpro> start by doing that before you edit anything
[20:59] <inetpro> Mopkop: I use the instructions as found at https://trello.com/c/wLYOqOld
[21:00] <inetpro> just use ubuntu-africa in stead of ubuntu-za
[21:00] <Kilos> w00t i see it
[21:01] <inetpro> ai!
[21:01] <inetpro> time running out again
[21:01] <Mopkop> webassets might be the problem. Nikola uses a lot of add-ons
[21:01] <Kilos> all day i forgot about the long nikola routine
[21:03] <Kilos> why is the kasbah missing
[21:03] <Kilos> whatever a kasbah is
[21:03]  * inetpro heading off to get some sleep
[21:03] <inetpro> good night
[21:03] <Kilos> night inetpro  sleep tight
[21:03] <Kilos> ty for the help
[21:04] <Mopkop> Nag!
[21:04] <Kilos> se jy ook nag seun?
[21:05] <Mopkop> Ek gaan ook nou gaan slaap, sodra ek uigefigure het waarom webassets nie wil install nie.
[21:05] <Kilos> ok dankie vir die hulp.lekker slaap
[21:05] <Kilos> het jy nikola build gedoen
[21:06] <Kilos> van die trunk af
[21:07] <Mopkop> Ja, dieselfde probleem...
[21:07] <Kilos> ai!
[21:07] <Kilos> dit loop mooi hier in chrome
[21:07] <Mopkop> Ek is seker dit is een of ander add-on vir Nikola wat nie gelaai is nie.
[21:07] <Kilos> en ek like nie chrome nie
[21:07] <Mopkop> Kom ons probeer dan Chrome...
[21:08] <Mopkop> Chrome dink alles wat ek intik wil ek Google :(
[21:09] <Kilos> lol
[21:09] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s25uEMOMOr
[21:09] <Kilos> daar is als wat nikola build moet gaan haal
[21:12] <Mopkop> Dankie!  Ja ek dink ek gaan maar slaap. En aan sukkel sodra my taak klaar is môre. Lekker slaap oom!
[21:19] <Kilos> jy ook dankie
[21:19] <Kilos> sien jou more
[21:19] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight


[01:38] <Unit193> Logan: I updated it https://launchpad.net/~unit193/+archive/ubuntu/staging/+sourcepub/6482713/+listing-archive-extra
[01:49] <Logan> Unit193: context? :P
[01:50] <Unit193> Logan: Pinged you a few months back, this doesn't even need to pull a new version in.  This enables the use of indicators, IIRC unity doesn't support the systray now?
[01:50] <Logan> I have no clue
[01:50] <Logan> I use Ubuntu headlessly :P
[01:52] <Unit193> I noticed in Xubuntu, at least with my theme, it looks nicer this way too. :P
[01:54] <Unit193> https://github.com/christophgysin/pasystray/issues/36 I think I'd seen this, is why.
[01:54] <Logan> README.md:57-58 claims that it's necessary in Ubuntu 13.04+
[01:54] <Logan> if I upload this, will you forward a patch to Debian?
[01:55] <Logan> it can't hurt for them to build-depend on it as well
[01:56] <Unit193> Last I saw Debian had removed a couple appindicator packages, since Ubuntu runs on snapshots it's harder to maintain.
[01:57] <Logan> https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/libappindicator
[01:57] <Logan> they still look pretty present to me :P
[01:57] <Logan> I mean, it's orphaned, but it exists
[01:57] <Unit193> This one is still there, though QA maintained.
[01:57] <Unit193> Aye.
[01:57] <Logan> worst case, the Debian maintainer says no
[01:57] <Logan> but I'd rather not carry a delta wherever possible
[01:58] <Logan> but yeah, I'll upload
[02:01] <Unit193> Wish you could do deriv based build-deps like you can with patches.  Best you can do is force --enable-appindicator/--disable-appindicator in d/rules based on --derives-from.
[02:06] <Unit193> Oh heh, fixes https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pasystray/+bug/1470483 too.
[02:29] <Logan> Unit193: the distro-specific quilt series causes more problems than it solves
[02:30] <Logan> because the Debian maintainers often forget that an Ubuntu series exists
[02:30] <Logan> and don't add patches to it that are relevant to both Debian and Ubuntu
[02:30] <Unit193> Heh, there is that.  Though in the case of deluge the maintainer is the same.  I actually forwarded him a patch that allows Ubuntu to directly sync.
[02:30] <Logan> or they forget to refresh the patches upon a new release, and it refuses to build in Ubuntu accordingly
[02:31] <Logan> but it's fine in Debian, of course :P
[02:31] <Logan> that's good to hear
[02:31] <Unit193> And by 'forwarded', I mean I dumped the diff in a pastebin and memoserv'd him. :P
[02:33] <Unit193> Anyway, I need to find more MOTU/sponsors so I'm not pinging you all the time.
[02:41] <Logan> Unit193: haha, it's okay
[02:41] <Logan> I'm off for the summer, so I need things to do :P
[02:41] <Logan> then I'm going to start my full-time job!
[02:41] <Unit193> Nice, where at?  Or rather, what at?
[02:42] <Logan> Site Reliability Engineer at LinkedIn :3
[02:42] <Unit193> Hmm.
[02:43] <Logan> they contribute to the open source community!
[02:43] <Unit193> What springs to mind is more the recent breaches. >_>
[02:43] <Unit193> But, that's nice at least!
[02:43] <Logan> gah
[02:43] <Logan> right, so
[02:44] <Logan> the breach actually happened in 2012
[02:44] <Logan> it's being...resurfaced now
[02:44] <Logan> they obviously have proper salting and hashing on their passwords at this point
[02:44] <Unit193> I remember that one, actually.  That's certainly good, at least they did learn.
[02:45] <Logan> for sure
[02:45] <Unit193> Also, here pretty soon we may be pinging you (and someone else) to review a new package for Universe. >_>
[02:46] <Logan> oh dear :P
[02:47] <Logan> you know how I feel about new packages in Ubuntu
[02:47] <Unit193> Understandably, though path of least resistence and all. >_>
[02:48] <Logan> what package is it?
[02:48] <Unit193> xfdashboard.
[02:49] <Logan> there's an ITP!
[02:49] <Logan> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=788332
[02:49] <Unit193> Logan: Look who filed it and how long ago. :P
[02:49] <Logan> oh hi bluesabre
[02:50] <Unit193> Tadaaaa.  Yep.  pkg-xfce isn't so interested either, yey.
[02:50] <bluesabre> uh oh, what'd I do?
[02:50] <Logan> why not? I figured they'd package anything starting with "xf"
[02:50] <bluesabre> pickier than you'd expect :D
[02:50] <Unit193> Logan: Because there's a lot of bugreports and not a lot of people taking care of it.  Pretty much, it's just Corsac at this point.
[02:51] <bluesabre> it's not like things that start with g or k :)
[02:53] <Unit193><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:53] <Logan> :(


[00:00] <mwhudson> oh maybe google-guest-agent just needs a mir
[00:01] <mwhudson> rbalint: why is there no MIR for google-guest-agent?
[00:03] <RAOF> Hm. I'm not actually sure where you're looking :)
[00:03] <mwhudson> RAOF: https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/log/groovy/2020-08-16/22:07:05.log
[00:03] <RAOF> You might be a more proficient britney-whisperer than me ;)
[00:03] <mwhudson> i guess it's in update_output.txt too?
[00:04] <mwhudson> ah yes https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_output.txt, search for "Trying easy from"
[00:05] <mwhudson> i wonder what is making the gce-compute-image-packages in release uninstallable
[00:06] <mwhudson> oh json-c
[00:07] <mwhudson> ok so the ways forward here are 1) to delete the gce-compute-image-packages from proposed (and probably google-compute-engine-oslogin) and upload a rebuild of gce-compute-image-packages
[00:07] <mwhudson> 2) promote google-guest-agent to main
[00:08] <mwhudson> 3) wait for vorlon or doko or someone to wake up
[00:08] <mwhudson> RAOF: thoughts? :) ^
[00:09] <mwhudson> i guess 1) is probably better
[00:09] <mwhudson> it'll annoy balint but i think it's just a matter of fixing changelogs and reuploading
[00:12] <RAOF> (1) seems like a reasonable way forward?
[00:14] <mwhudson> RAOF: can you perform the nuking then?
[00:16] <RAOF> Why would we need to remove google-compute-engine-oslogin? You're just going to upload a no-change-rebuild for gce-compute-image-packages for json-c, right?
[00:17] <mwhudson> RAOF: because the version of gce-compute-image-packages in release builds packages that are built by the version of google-compute-engine-oslogin in proposed
[00:17] <mwhudson> RAOF: let me check version numbers before you do anything though
[00:18] <RAOF> Oh! It's a separate source package now; I missed that.
[00:18] <mwhudson> RAOF: yes, version numbers mean google-compute-engine-oslogin has to go
[00:18] <mwhudson> RAOF: yeah, extra confusion! i wonder if this is why excuses.html is opaque about this
[00:22] <RAOF>  mwhudson Ok, done. Let's get icu migrated, and please coordinate with balint!
[00:23] <mwhudson> RAOF: thanks!
[00:23] <mwhudson> i wonder if i need to wait for a publisher run before uploading or anything
[00:23] <mwhudson> i guess i'll find out!
[00:26] <mwhudson> so far so good
[00:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: qgis [amd64] (groovy-proposed/universe) [3.10.9+dfsg-1ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[01:16] <mwhudson> debian-cloud-images/amd64 has unsatisfiable dependency
[01:16] <mwhudson> would be nice if it said which
[01:19] <mwhudson> oh fai
[01:19] <mwhudson> care factor: low
[01:38] <vorlon> mwhudson: well I tried a force hint on gce-compute-image-packages but britney doesn't seem to care; cc: Laney
[01:39] <mwhudson> vorlon: i figured it out, RAOF to the rescue
[01:40] <mwhudson> well RAOF and some patience
[01:41] <mwhudson> haha oh god
[01:41] <mwhudson> vorlon: https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/log/groovy/2020-08-17/00:08:21.log
[01:41] <RAOF> 🤘
[01:41] <mwhudson>   File "/home/ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/code/b2/britney2/excusefinder.py", line 622, in find_actionable_excuses
[01:41] <mwhudson>     assert valid == {x for x in excuses if excuses[x].is_valid}
[01:41] <mwhudson> AssertionError
[01:41] <mwhudson> vorlon: is this your fault?
[01:42] <mwhudson> i.e. is this because of your hint
[01:59] <mwhudson> ubuntu-archive: feel like cherry-picking https://salsa.debian.org/release-team/britney2/-/merge_requests/50 or somethign like that into our britney?
[01:59]  * mwhudson lunches
[02:24] <mwhudson> things are moving!
[02:26] <mwhudson> although not json-c?
[02:26] <mwhudson> so icu and json-c were not entangled after all?
[02:26] <mwhudson> anyway json-c should go next time
[03:26] <mwhudson> wtf https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kamailio/5.4.0-2
[03:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: new-session-manager (groovy-proposed/primary) [1.3.2-0ubuntu1]
[03:33] <mwhudson> oh i think britney ran while a dep was being published maybe?
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[06:27] <cpaelzer> so many mails of things accepted now, that must mean ICU transitioned over the weekend
[06:27] <cpaelzer> \o/
[07:39] <mwhudson> cpaelzer: yep, after some encouragement
[07:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: google-compute-engine-oslogin (groovy-proposed/primary) [20200507.00-0ubuntu2]
[07:52] <mwhudson> rbalint, ubuntu-archive:  google-compute-engine-oslogin is back in NEW
[07:52] <LocutusOfBorg> hello, nobody can accept haskell-gi-gtk and haskell-gi-gdkx11 please?
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[08:08] <Laney> nice one mwhudson!
[08:09] <vorlon> mwhudson: looks to me like google-compute-engine-oslogin conflicts with the previous publication; did you use copy-package?
[08:09] <vorlon> (done now)
[08:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: rejected google-compute-engine-oslogin [source] (groovy-proposed) [20200507.00-0ubuntu2]
[08:10] <mwhudson> vorlon: no i reuploaded
[08:10] <vorlon> mwhudson: right, that doesn't work :)
[08:10] <mwhudson> vorlon: where do you copy-package from?
[08:11] <vorlon> mwhudson: "opy-package -b -e 20200507.0-0ubuntu2 --force-same-destination --auto-approve -s groovy-proposed -y google-compute-engine-oslogin" (the auto-approve is AA-only though)
[08:11] <mwhudson> vorlon: gce-compute-packages needs the same trick when google-compute-engine-oslogin has published so i can practise :)
[08:11] <mwhudson> vorlon: ok
[08:12] <mwhudson> vorlon: did you see the traceback i think you hint was causing up above?
[08:12] <vorlon> mwhudson: yah but it's 1am here so I'll have to look in the morning
[08:12] <Laney> that'll be hard to reproduce
[08:13] <mwhudson> vorlon: fair, i was wondering why you are still around
[08:13] <Laney> and probably hard to reason about after the fact
[08:13] <mwhudson> Laney: force something that isn't migrating because of component mismatches maybe?
[08:13] <mwhudson> actually if i copy the new gce-compute-packages in it might start happening i guess
[08:13] <mwhudson> given the hint is still there
[08:14] <mwhudson> (if thats what is causing it)
[08:14] <Laney> p'raps, but I guess we /don't/ want to force it in now :p
[08:14] <mwhudson> right
[08:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted qgis [amd64] (groovy-proposed) [3.10.9+dfsg-1ubuntu1]
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[08:15] <Laney> I was thinking we could do something like save the archive state in https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses/groovy/
[08:15] <mwhudson> ah maybe
[08:16] <mwhudson> wouldn't that be rather huge?
[08:17] <Laney> laney@snakefruit:/home/ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/data$ du -hs groovy groovy-proposed/
[08:17] <Laney> 484M	groovy
[08:17] <Laney> yeah not small :(
[08:17] <Laney> 24M	groovy-proposed/
[08:18] <mwhudson> you could get fancy and store diffs to previous or something but ehh
[08:18] <Laney> commit them to git ;-)
[08:20] <mwhudson> yes
[08:20] <Laney> accidental not terrible idea?
[08:21] <mwhudson> Laney: yes, i think so
[08:22] <Laney> I'll file it, unlikely to work on it myself right away though
[08:24] <Laney> ... & dropped that force hint
[08:27] <Laney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/britney/+bug/1891871
[08:30] <mwhudson> oh huh i just copied the old gce-compute-image-packages back, which looses the changelog for the version i uploaded today
[08:31] <mwhudson> ah well, it's not very interesting
[08:31] <mwhudson> *loses
[08:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: evolution-data-server [s390x] (groovy-proposed/main) [3.37.90-1] (i386-whitelist, ubuntu-desktop)
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[09:51] <LocutusOfBorg> Unpacking dh-python (4.20200804ubuntu1) ...
[09:51] <LocutusOfBorg> dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/dh-python_4.20200804ubuntu1_all.deb (--unpack):
[09:51] <LocutusOfBorg>  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/debhelper/autoscripts/postinst-pycompile', which is also in package python2 2.7.17-2ubuntu4
[09:51] <LocutusOfBorg> doko, ^^
[09:52]  * LocutusOfBorg fixes so sphinx can proceed a little bit
[09:53] <mitya57> LocutusOfBorg: this is Debian #968046
[09:54] <mitya57> And thanks for helping with sphinx migration :)
[09:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted evolution-data-server [amd64] (groovy-proposed) [3.37.90-1]
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[09:58] <LocutusOfBorg> yep, I added the bug reference when I uploaded it on groovy
[09:58] <LocutusOfBorg> I need sphinx to migrate because of libcdio entanglement
[09:58]  * LocutusOfBorg afk for few hours
[10:03] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, about rgain3, the last blocker for the other big transition, we might have got an API/ABI breakage
[10:03] <LocutusOfBorg> https://github.com/chaudum/rgain/issues/29
[10:03] <LocutusOfBorg> since the package is new, out from testing because of Debian bug: #968186, what about kicking it out from release pocket?
[10:04] <LocutusOfBorg> btw please wait before copying back ghc and nodejs so we can finish this transition
[10:04] <LocutusOfBorg> haskell is probably waiting only for autopkgtests
[10:05] <LocutusOfBorg> (and some new queue processing)
[10:08] <LocutusOfBorg> mwhudson<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:08] <LocutusOfBorg> didn't your fix work?
[10:11] <mwhudson> LocutusOfBorg: i just uploaded another go
[10:12] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks!
[10:13] <mwhudson> hm is that the last thing blocking sphinx?
[10:16] <mwhudson> LocutusOfBorg: on +1 stuff again tomorrow (starting in like 9 hours) so feel free to ping here with things that need attention
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[12:46] <Laney> dear sync-mirrors, please sync the mirors, thanks
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[14:19] <juliank> xnox: ^ grub goodness
[14:29] <Laney> huh, one lunch later and it still didn't sync the updated SHA256SUMS.gpg
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[14:45] <Laney> ok there it is
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[15:28] <xnox> juliank:  yeay!
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[18:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted haskell-gtk-sni-tray [armhf] (groovy-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>-2build1]
[18:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted haskell-gtk-sni-tray [riscv64] (groovy-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>-2build1]
[18:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted hamster-time-tracker [amd64] (groovy-proposed) [3.0.2-2]
[18:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted haskell-termonad [armhf] (groovy-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>-1]
[18:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted haskell-termonad [amd64] (groovy-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>-1]
[18:18] <Eickmeyer> ubuntu-archive: I am going to be unavailable for the better part of two weeks fairly soon due to a large relocation. Right now, I have five NEW sources awaiting review: geonkick, dragonfly-reverb, new-session-manager, jack-mixer (all for Ubuntu Studio) and plasma-wallpaper-dynamic (for KDE Plasma). Can we get these reviews expedited?
[18:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: rejected motd-news-config [source] (groovy-proposed) [1]
[19:07] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, rgain3 ping :)
[19:07] <LocutusOfBorg> this should be the last haskell/libcdio/x264 blocker
[19:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: taffybar [amd64] (groovy-proposed/universe) [3.2.2-1] (no packageset)
[19:18] <mwhudson> yay sphinx migrated
[19:39] <LocutusOfBorg> yep
[20:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: glibc (focal-proposed/main) [2.31-0ubuntu9 => 2.31-0ubuntu9.1] (core, i386-whitelist)
[20:34] <seb128> Eickmeyer, it's a bit of a weird choice to have the packaging under another license than the source? why not having the debian/ dir as GPL3+ on new-session-manager (also weird pick as a project name but I guess that's not your doing)
[20:36] <seb128> Eickmeyer, also some of the copyright holders you listed are not mentioned in the source?
[21:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: taffybar [ppc64el] (groovy-proposed/universe) [3.2.2-1] (no packageset)
[21:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: taffybar [arm64] (groovy-proposed/universe) [3.2.2-1] (no packageset)
[21:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: taffybar [s390x] (groovy-proposed/universe) [3.2.2-1] (no packageset)
[22:25] <Eickmeyer> vorlon: Are you around? seb128 had some questions that you didn't ask. I don't know what he's getting at, but those people were mentioned in the git repository. I didn't drum-up those people from nowhere.
[22:26] <Eickmeyer> Either way, new-session-manager is in source NEW. I can always relicense debian/* under GPL-3+ in the future, so I'm sure that's not a blocker.
[22:26]  * Eickmeyer is just getting tired of the back/forth with hours in-between
[23:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: taffybar [armhf] (groovy-proposed/universe) [3.2.2-1] (no packageset)
[23:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: taffybar [riscv64] (groovy-proposed/universe) [3.2.2-1] (no packageset)
[23:55] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: yep, rgain3 removed
[23:57] <vorlon> Eickmeyer: if you've determined the list of copyright holders is correct, it's fine for NEW even if they're not named elsewhere is the source


[00:43] <Logan_> LjL: why didn't FloodBot1 kick the DCC sender?
[00:43] <Logan_> seems somewhat odd
[00:43] <LjL> Logan_: because who cares really? they're banned anyway
[00:43] <Logan_> heh, true
[00:43] <Logan_> I'm surprised at how many people still have that vulnerability
[00:44] <LjL> Logan_: but seriously, kicking would be one more line to put into the send queue. and it's mostly a useless line at that. and we want as little stuff in the send queue as possible.
[00:44] <LjL> sure i could put it into the slow queue, but.
[00:44] <Logan_> mmk
[00:49] <Logan_> LjL: do you know how well Gnome3 works on Natty using that PPA?
[00:49] <Logan_> I'm considering installing it instead of Unity
[00:51] <m4v> !gnome3-#ubuntu+1 | Logan_
[00:52] <m4v> bohh
[00:52] <Logan_> it's just !gnome3 now
[00:52] <m4v> it used to wrok..
[00:52] <Logan_> I had Pici forget the one with the suffix
[00:53] <LjL> Logan_: i haven't tried it (i don't even have natty), but i did hear rumors it actually broke things for people
[00:53] <LjL> IdleOne: maybe i could if i had any access :P
[00:53] <m4v> Logan_: one of our ops is using it, without much trouble afaik. But you know is inestable ..
[00:54] <Logan_> great, thanks!
[00:55] <m4v> he also told me that using ppa-purge works in case it breaks stuff. But I wouldn't trust it still. Be ready for reinstall ;)
[00:57] <arand> I'm wondering if the factoid should specify that it breaks unity, and there is no good safe downgrade path.. Or if that should just be left as implied..
[00:57] <LjL> i think it should
[00:57] <LjL> !gnome3
[00:58] <m4v> the only downgrade path afaik is « sudo apt-get install ppa-purge && sudo ppa-purge ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3 » but I don't know if it is safe or guaranteed to work
[00:58] <LjL> !no gnome3 is <reply> Gnome 3 is not currently supported on Ubuntu. A PPA for natty is available at https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3 but these packages are EXPERIMENTAL and UNSTABLE, will break Unity and possibly other parts of your system, and safe downgrading is not possible.
[01:00] <arand> =) It would be more appropriately named !caveats
[01:00] <LjL> !gnome3 =~ s/$/ Additionally, they may eat your children and cause demons to come out of your nose./
[01:01] <m4v> come on, be serious!
[01:01] <Logan_> hehe
[01:02] <IdleOne> LjL: added, thank you for your attention to detail.
[01:02] <IdleOne> especially the demon out the nose part. I was not aware of that
[08:31] <topyli> trying gnome3 also inevitably makes either unity or gnome-shell suck terribly
[08:31] <Tm_T> awww
[08:32] <topyli> at least everyone who has tried both seems to be forced to post "unity sucks, gnome-shell is awesome" or vice versa on twitter
[08:32] <Tm_T> topyli: then I refuse to test either, I don't like to behave like that
[08:36] <topyli> yeah, think about the damages to the average quality of free software when entire desktops suddenly start to suck :(
[09:26] <cdbs> topyli: You don't like Unity/
[09:26]  * cdbs uses both regularly
[09:27] <topyli> cdbs: i tried it and it was pretty nice, no complaints based on a short trial
[09:28] <cdbs> topyli: And what do you say about Gs?
[09:28] <cdbs> *GS
[09:29] <topyli> it's quite awesome, but i only tested a live cd. not everything worked
[09:30] <topyli> i couldn't get wifi to work for example, or change keyboard layouts
[09:33] <topyli> irc on empathy was also quite amusing :)
[09:50] <jussi> topyli is a K boy now ;)
[09:51] <topyli> ktopyli
[09:52] <MichealH> Kirc :P
[09:53]  * MichealH was tempted to say 'Kircc" :P
[09:53] <MichealH> OMG Bugs everywhere
[09:54] <MichealH> :/
[17:05] <Fuchs> Pici: since you seem to be online, can I ask you something regarding the #ubuntu+1 channel?
[17:05] <Pici> Fuchs: sure
[17:06] <Fuchs> Pici: as far as I am informed you forward people to the regular channel after the new Ubuntu version got released
[17:06] <Fuchs> Pici: if this is correct: how?  With a regular forward bann, masking all masks with *!*@*?
[17:07] <Pici> Fuchs: No. The channel is +i +f #ubuntu
[17:07] <Fuchs> ah, +f, didn't know this one. Thanks, we'll try this out :)
[17:07] <Pici> Let us know if you need any further help
[17:09] <Fuchs> We try it right now, I'll come back to you if it doesn't work. But I just found it in the freenode documentation (guess I used the wrong keywords when I tried to find it) now, so I guess we'll find it out.
[17:09] <Fuchs> Thanks for your help
[17:10] <Pici> np :)
[17:21] <GoThatWay> Hello, can someone help me with my problem after the upgrade? I can't see any menu, i only see the desktop and folders in it... :(
[17:21] <GoThatWay> is it the right channel?
[17:22] <k1l> GoThatWay: this is not that kind of supportchannel :)  try #ubuntu
[17:22] <GoThatWay> woops
[17:22] <GoThatWay> all right thx
[17:22] <Fuchs> Pici: it worked, thanks
[17:22] <k1l> or #ubuntu-it for italien
[17:22] <GoThatWay> thx very much
[17:48] <arand> I am wondering, there are on and off people zealously discouraging people from upgrading... With little motivation other than personal preference and hearsay...
[17:48] <arand> In #ubuntu, that is
[17:49] <topyli> arand: it's off topic to begin with
[17:51] <arand> Yes, true, I guess, though they will obviously claim that they are "helping", well, I guess it's just a matter of taking the encounters...
[17:51] <vish> arand: i've been using the !ot for such folks, and asking them to discuss there..
[17:52] <arand> vish: Yea, that sounds like a good procedure.
[18:14] <JaredisAwesome> I was trying to upgrade from 10.04 to 10.10 last night and my stupidass hit shutdown during the middle of the upgrade. Now whenever I boot its telling me I'm missing some drivers, and that Ubuntu is running in low graphics mode (though i cannot make it past that dialogue). Whenever i try to boot into recovery mode it doesn't seem to fully boot properly either. Is there anything i can do to fix this upgrade? Or should I just do
[18:17] <Pici> JaredisAwesome: This isn't a support channel, try #ubuntu
[18:18] <JaredisAwesome> my bad