[00:00] <bsnider> cd
[00:00] <bruce89> Aquaraptor: not many people downloading the daily image, so torrents would be useless
[00:00] <Aquaraptor> oh? it's CD?
[00:00] <Aquaraptor> the ibex beta images I saw were all DVD
[00:00] <Aquaraptor> huh.
[00:00] <bsnider> uh...ok
[00:00] <eXonius> DVD images?
[00:00] <Aquaraptor> like, an ISO image for a DVD-R
[00:00] <Aquaraptor> 4GB
[00:00] <eXonius> Yes
[00:01] <eXonius> I thought we talked about jpeg files and stuff :D
[00:01] <Aquaraptor> hahah
[00:01] <bruce89> with at least all of main on i
[00:01] <Aquaraptor> well a DVD going at 1MB/s will still take 2 hours to download, so I'll get a CD image
[00:02] <Aquaraptor> one thing I do wonder, is there any real advantage to getting the 64bit build? I'm not using more than 4GB RAM or anything
[00:02] <eXonius> I thought it had to do with the processor unit
[00:02] <bruce89> Aquaraptor: yes
[00:02] <Aquaraptor> what is it?
[00:03] <Aquaraptor> from what I've heard you don't get much of a performance gain
[00:03] <bruce89> Aquaraptor: AMD64 has SSE2 as default
[00:03] <Aquaraptor> as long as the same software runs on both with no issues all go ahead and get it
[00:03] <bruce89> It's worth it for futureproofing
[00:03] <Aquaraptor> huh; ok.
[00:04] <bruce89> Depends how much you like non-free stuff though
[00:04] <Aquaraptor> and I do
[00:04] <Aquaraptor> FOSS makes 0% difference to me
[00:04] <eXonius> Is there any Ubuntu support pro here that can help me? :D
[00:04] <Aquaraptor> I like mah MP3s, M4As, and MP4s, thxvrymuch :)
[00:05] <bruce89> that's fine
[00:05] <bsnider> i'm guessing you're not richard stallman then
[00:05] <Aquaraptor> very much no
[00:05] <Aquaraptor> I like to be operating system generic
[00:05] <bruce89> Aquaraptor: all those codecs are in fact FOSS
[00:05] <Aquaraptor> I have computers running windows, osx, os9, unixes, everything
[00:05] <bruce89> legally a bit dodgy though
[00:05] <Aquaraptor> bruce89, that;s cool too, as long as they play my media ;)
[00:06] <Aquaraptor> what I've found is if you try and use a bit of everything you get a better view or what does what best, not necessarily what is "better"
[00:06] <AkariChan> odd
[00:06] <bruce89> Aquaraptor: such as
[00:06] <AkariChan> ibex are CDs, as far as i saw them
[00:06] <kulight> Aquaraptor: im with you first everything needs to work then will talk ideology
[00:07] <Aquaraptor> kulight, *exactly*
[00:07] <Aquaraptor> AkariChan, I guess the DVDs I saw were some option then
[00:07] <Aquaraptor> lemme get the link again
[00:07] <bruce89> I'm interested as to what non-free stuff you'd want to use
[00:08] <Aquaraptor> bruce89, well I was under the impression that the codecs were non-free, as I've had to add non-free sources before to get them
[00:08] <bruce89> not as such
[00:08] <Aquaraptor> interesting
[00:08] <bruce89> patent non-free, but the source is there
[00:09] <bruce89> under a free licence
[00:09] <kulight> if the codecs are free why they are not in the default intasll ?
[00:09] <Aquaraptor> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/intrepid/beta/ <- are the DVD torrents and images I found
[00:09] <bruce89> kulight: they are legally dodgy
[00:09] <Aquaraptor> huh
[00:09] <bruce89> kulight: patents and so on
[00:09] <kulight> so they are not open source
[00:09] <Aquaraptor> well I hope in ibex it's easier to add them, I remember having to jump through a few hoops in hardy
[00:10] <bruce89> kulight: depends which ones you mean
[00:10] <bruce89> lame, faad are
[00:10] <jianfei> kulight: how to install the codecs
[00:10] <Jordan_U> kulight: They are Free in countries that don't have horrible patent laws :)
[00:10] <AkariChan> Aquaraptor: sure.
[00:10] <Aquaraptor> kulight, there can be open source things with shady licenses, though
[00:10] <bruce89> screw patent law
[00:10] <bruce89> and hope for Dirac
[00:10] <AkariChan> Aquaraptor: those are CD images.
[00:11] <Aquaraptor> for example they might have open sources, but the owners might say "not to be included in any operating systems by default ever" in the license
[00:11] <Aquaraptor> AkariChan, show me a cd capable of holding 4.1GB of data :P
[00:11] <kulight> one of the first things i do after a new install is installing ubuntu-restricted-extras and the medibuntu repos
[00:11] <Aquaraptor> (without ridiculous compression)
[00:11] <bruce89> I don't
[00:11] <bruce89> they install a load of nonsense
[00:11] <bruce89> such as the non-free Java, when there's a free one
[00:12] <bsnider> bruce89, screw all IP "law" -- but an unjust law i not a law at all. we might have to follow it due to the fear of violent reprisal, but that doesn't make unjust laws just
[00:12] <AkariChan> why not?
[00:12] <kulight> free java is buggy
[00:12] <bruce89> don't care
[00:12] <AkariChan> a good example is windows.
[00:12] <AkariChan> fully installed takes 2.8Gb.
[00:12] <bruce89> and also, it WORKSFORME
[00:12] <Aquaraptor> yeah I get sun java myself
[00:12] <kulight> i do
[00:13] <Aquaraptor> then again there are about 5 java applets I *ever* use
[00:13] <Jordan_U> kulight: Sun Java IS Free AFIK
[00:13] <bruce89> Jordan_U: nope
[00:13] <bruce89> not yet
[00:13] <AkariChan> Aquaraptor: if you have ever seen ripkits of games (not that i wanted to talk about piracy here). a 1.2Gb uha rip of a game will expand to 8.4Gb installed.
[00:13] <Jordan_U> bruce89: Still?
[00:13] <bruce89> OpenJdk is though
[00:13]  * Jordan_U sighs
[00:13] <Aquaraptor> AkariChan, then why distribute the DVDs at all?
[00:13] <bruce89> Aquaraptor: no internet access perhaps
[00:14] <Aquaraptor> so that would be like downloading the plethora of debian ISOs, I presume
[00:14] <Jordan_U> Aquaraptor: The DVD's contain all of main
[00:14] <Aquaraptor> Jordan_U, aha ok, thanks for clarifying
[00:14] <AkariChan> Aquaraptor: there will be MORE programs in it?
[00:14] <AkariChan> simply that.
[00:15] <kulight> does any one know if the current version of the kernel in ibex is the final release ?
[00:15] <Aquaraptor> more... that are installed by default or are merely available for isntall through apt (ie the DVD is in the aptsoruces file)
[00:15] <bruce89> only useful if you are installing somewhere without net access
[00:15] <bsnider> kulight, yes
[00:15] <bruce89> otherwise it's a waste of quota
[00:16] <kulight> thats realy bad :(
[00:17] <bsnider> kulight, that's your view. this kernel is the greatest piece of technology in the world
[00:17]  * Aquaraptor is happy to have a local no-name brand ISP with no quotas and 1.5mega-bytes- down
[00:17] <kulight> and problematic cose there are many HP laptops that wont work
[00:17] <bruce89> Aquaraptor: bytes?
[00:17] <kulight> bsnider: u got me wrong
[00:17] <AkariChan> Aquaraptor: think of it as the whole repository (non-updated) will be in the DVD
[00:17] <kulight> on my desktop its realy great
[00:17] <Aquaraptor> bruce89, you heard me!
[00:18] <bsnider> kulight, the current kernel is the final 2.6.27 release. the kernel team will be bugfixing it until intrepid is released though
[00:18] <Aquaraptor> 1.5megabytes a second down.
[00:18] <Aquaraptor> something like 11megabits, whatever 1.5 x 8 is.
[00:18] <Aquaraptor> (13)
[00:18] <kulight> i hope they do
[00:18] <bruce89> Aquaraptor: here they like changing the speed
[00:18] <bruce89> can be 110 Kb/s
[00:18] <rom1v> if this problem is not resolved : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/269904
[00:18] <bruce89> up to ~500
[00:18] <Aquaraptor> mine is nice an consistant, no busy hours or anything like that
[00:18] <rom1v> I hope compiz OR nvidia will be downgraded?
[00:18] <bruce89> and a 30 GB limit per month
[00:19] <bsnider> kulight, you _might_ consider submitting a bug for your problem
[00:19] <Aquaraptor> unfortuantely I only get 70kilobytes a second up, so my server gets stressed at times
[00:19] <kulight> bsnider: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/262066
[00:20] <bruce89> the other houses' traffic is monitored too
[00:20] <kulight> bsnider: this and its dupes
[00:20] <bruce89> for advertising that is
[00:20] <bsnider> kulight, well there you go! the system works!
[00:21] <kulight> my system still dosent :(
[00:21] <bsnider> maybe next time you shouldn't buy from hewlett crapperd
[00:21] <Aquaraptor> har har har
[00:22] <kulight> sorry i got that one for free i didnt choose
[00:22] <bsnider> call hp's help desk and demand that the issue be fixed by them
[00:22] <kulight> but its no reason for it not to work
[00:23] <kulight> windows and hardy works
[00:23] <bsnider> how do you know it's a kernel problem?
[00:23] <kulight> cose 2.6.26 worked fine
[00:24] <bsnider> i'm not convinced
[00:24] <bsnider> have you used top or system monitor to find what the cpu is doing?
[00:24] <kulight> im not the only one with that conclution look at the bug report
[00:25] <kulight> yes its stuck at 800MHz instead of 1.8
[00:26] <zyrorl> :(
[00:26] <zyrorl> i just wish wireless support wasn't broken for intel wireless cards
[00:27] <bsnider> kulight, you could try booting the fedora snapshot cd that was released today
[00:28] <kulight> if it uses 2.6.27 i will try
[00:28] <bsnider> it does
[00:28] <kulight> ok ill try tomarow its getting late
[00:29] <zyrorl> i can't get wpa to work on my intel wireless on intrepid with a lot of networks
[00:29] <zyrorl> works on some but not others
[00:29] <zyrorl> when it used to have no problemso n hardy
[00:29] <kulight> thank u it will help narrowing the problem
[00:30] <zyrorl> well i'm not sure if its the wpa supplicant , dhclient or the wireless driver, one of them is fubar
[00:30] <bsnider> zyrorl, if it's network-manager, you could try wicd instead
[00:31] <zyrorl> wicd didnt solve it
[00:31] <zyrorl> basically it looks like the wpa authenticates, but it can't obtain an ip
[00:31] <zyrorl> so it gives up
[00:31] <bsnider> you tried changing wpa supplicant drivers for it?
[00:31] <zyrorl> though when i connect directly to the modem using lan, it'll work, if i turn off wpa, it works
[00:31] <zyrorl> if i set the ip to manual
[00:31] <zyrorl> it also works, though no traffic comes through for about 60 seconds
[00:32] <zyrorl> and then it works, but its kinda unstable
[00:32] <zyrorl> i don't know how to change the supplicant drivers..
[00:32] <zyrorl> i'm using a intel wireless 4965AGN card
[00:32] <zyrorl> atm its using the iwlagn driver
[00:32] <bsnider> it's in wicd
[00:32] <zyrorl> i'll have to try
[00:33] <bsnider> no, do or do not, there is no try
[00:33] <zyrorl> i will do:P
[00:33] <zyrorl> brb
[00:34] <Jangari> I'm having a screen resolution problem. When I try to use an external monitor at its highest resolution (1650x1050 or so) I'm asked to enable virtual resolution settings in xorg.conf, and it does it for me, but then it screws the entire xsession and I can't see anything except for a background of vertical stripes roughly resembling the colours in intrepid, and a mouse.
[00:35] <Jangari> how can i get the highest res out of my monitor without screwing my xsession?
[00:38] <AkariChan> anyone had any idea where can i find the .config of intrepid?
[00:40] <d4t4min3r> i have a question
[00:40] <d4t4min3r> i had my compiz.real crash
[00:40] <d4t4min3r> thats what it told me
[00:41] <Jangari> it recovers
[00:42] <d4t4min3r> this is a known issue?
[00:42] <d4t4min3r> it seems that compiz is still working properly
[00:43] <Jangari> exactly
[00:44] <Jangari> it's happened to me a few times. It looks like firefox or whatever crashes, but a minute later everythings working again (although all on a single workspace) and it tells you that compiz.real crashed
[00:45] <DanaG> iwlagn.... iw laggin'. =þ
[00:45] <Jangari> can i force ubuntu to allow more screen resolutions by literally writing them into the xorg.conf?
[00:46] <bruce89> AkariChan: .config?
[00:46] <DanaG> How would I go about getting Pulse 0.9.13 on my own box?
[00:47] <zyrorl> argh
[00:47] <zyrorl> bsnider - no go
[00:47] <zyrorl> the only wpa supplicant that even tries to connect is WEXT
[00:47] <zyrorl> it gets stuck at obtaining an ip address
[00:47] <zyrorl> and i tried choosing the different DHCP clients
[00:47] <zyrorl> none worked
[00:48] <DanaG> Odd... my root is full, and it didn't warn me.
[00:50] <Jordan_U> DanaG: Do you have a separate /home ?
[00:50] <Kattollikisd> is the 8.10 good?
[00:50] <AkariChan> i meant .config as in the .config for the kernel
[00:51] <AkariChan> but nevermind that, i guess i had a copy
[00:51] <AkariChan> :_
[00:51] <AkariChan> :)
[00:51] <zyrorl> grr:(
[00:51] <Jangari> it has a few bugs at the moment Kattollikisd, but it's also better in a few areas so far
[00:51] <zyrorl> i hate this issues
[00:51] <zyrorl> d4t4min3r - yeah i've been getting compiz.real crashes as well
[00:51] <AkariChan> quick question, step wise, make menuconfig , then make, make modules_install, make install
[00:52] <AkariChan> is that correct for the kernel building?
[00:52] <DanaG> Yeah, /home is separate.
[00:52] <Kattollikisd> I hate bugs :(
[00:52] <sarir> jockey closes all the time
[00:52] <sarir> i cannot activate my drivers
[00:52] <DanaG> Aah, no wonder it's full... time for me to remove nexuiz.
[00:52] <Kattollikisd> Jangari, is theres bugs easy to fix?
[00:53] <sarir> nvidia graphic driver (no the 177 recommended one and no the 173 version)
[00:53] <Jangari> probably for some
[00:53] <sarir> anybody can help me?
[00:53] <DanaG> Or maybe just sudo aptitude clean.
[00:53] <Kattollikisd> Jangari, ohhh
[00:53]  * zyrorl thinks wireless is fubar in intrepid:(
[00:53] <Mimi> wicd  all the way  :)
[00:53] <zyrorl> mimi - done that
[00:53] <zyrorl> still fubar
[00:53] <Mimi> poo :(
[00:53] <Jordan_U> DanaG: File a bug report, there is probably a bug in the way that the check for a full file system is being done that doesn't take into account multiple partitions
[00:53] <zyrorl> wont get an ip address
[00:53] <bruce89> doesn't help hardware/kernel bugs
[00:53] <zyrorl> exact same issue as network manager
[00:53] <Jangari> i needed a fresh installation badly, my system was full of redundant software, issues, bugs and so on. Now i have a half-workable beta system
[00:54] <zyrorl> i have tried fresh install, tried upgrade
[00:54] <zyrorl> both fail
[00:54] <zyrorl> :(
[00:54] <Mimi> coudlnt you have waited another month? :P
[00:54] <zyrorl> doesnt mean it'll be fixed by then
[00:54] <bsnider> sarir, yeah, yeah
[00:54] <Jangari> no
[00:54] <Jordan_U> zyrorl: What chipset?
[00:54] <zyrorl> it seems to work on some wpa networks, some work
[00:54] <bruce89> I upgraded about 2 months ago, it was fine
[00:54] <Jangari> couldn't
[00:54] <zyrorl> intel 4965 AGN
[00:55] <sarir> bsnider, what? is there something i can do?
[00:55] <Kattollikisd> Jangari, I really don't know If I gonna do those upgrade to the 8.10, I had a really bad experience with the 7.10 to 8.04
[00:55] <Jangari> at least intrepid supports dual-connections now, wired and wireless
[00:55] <zyrorl> if i disable the wpa, it works fine
[00:55] <sarir> bsnider, is it a bug?
[00:55] <zyrorl> Jangari thats true
[00:55] <bsnider> sarir, explain your problem in detail please
[00:55] <Jangari> i hated having to disconnect from one to connect to the other
[00:56] <zyrorl> it also supports a third or more connections:)
[00:56] <Jangari> i might try installing these 237 software updates and see if it fixes some of the issues
[00:56] <Jangari> oh, great!
[00:56] <sarir> bsnider, i just need to activate the graphic driver nvidia
[00:56] <zyrorl> i was able to use my HSDPA card, at the same time as ethernet and wireless
[00:56] <zyrorl> which was nice
[00:56] <Jangari> i wonder if you can direct certain ports through certain connections
[00:56] <zyrorl> i dontk now
[00:56] <zyrorl> its not configurable
[00:56] <bsnider> sarir, which graphics card do you have?
[00:56] <Jangari> what about vpn?
[00:56] <zyrorl> from the gui
[00:56] <zyrorl> vpn works too
[00:56] <sarir> system-driver hardware bsnider and then i have two options nvidia graphics driver 173 or 177 recommended
[00:56] <Jangari> out of the box?
[00:57] <zyrorl> supposedly it'll use whatever your default gateway is
[00:57] <zyrorl> yeah
[00:57] <zyrorl> well
[00:57] <zyrorl> no
[00:57] <DanaG> One thing NetworkManger also can't do:
[00:57] <Jangari> oh sweet, i see
[00:57] <zyrorl> you have to install network-manager-pptp or openvnc
[00:57] <zyrorl> openvpn even
[00:57] <zyrorl> and vpnc
[00:57] <DanaG> You can't set which network profiles use which NIC.
[00:57] <zyrorl> but other than that yeah
[00:57] <bsnider> sarir, i need to know the exact card you've got in there
[00:57] <Jangari> well, it has the option for vpn connections right there
[00:57] <DanaG> So, if you have multiple NICs, you're out of luck.
[00:57] <zyrorl> DanaG - you can always mess with routing tables
[00:57] <sarir> bsnider, give me a command please
[00:57] <zyrorl> its not that bad a deal
[00:57] <bsnider> lspci
[00:57] <Jangari> so as long as you have the docs from the network, it should work
[00:58] <DanaG> Whenever I plug in my ethernet cable, it tries to connect as a client on br0.... which does not contain that ethernet port!
[00:58] <sarir> !paste
[00:58] <DanaG> lspci -nn is more useful.
[00:58] <DanaG> n twice, for name and number.
[00:58] <Phlosten> howdy all
[00:58] <DanaG> So, wired networking doesn't work on cable insertion.  It's rather annoying.
[00:58] <zyrorl> seriously though... anyone got any ideas on how i can get around this wpa issue in intrepid?
[00:58] <sarir> bsnider, http://paste.ubuntu.com/56482/
[00:58] <zyrorl> danag:(
[00:58] <DanaG> My br0 is the NAT-ed bridge I attach my VMs to.
[00:58] <zyrorl> tried wicd?
[00:59] <Jangari> okay, I might go and take a ride while my upgrades are downloading
[00:59] <DanaG> I'm the host.... so why is it trying to connect as a client?
[00:59] <bruce89> zyrorl: not again
[00:59] <Jangari> or, while my downgrades are uploading
[00:59] <DanaG> I set my WPA2 network to be a "System Setting".
[00:59] <bsnider> sarir, alright now run dkms status
[00:59] <zyrorl> bruce89 - i've tried pretty much everything i've read up on on ubuntuforums
[00:59] <DanaG> I also removed and then re-added the profile before making it a "System Setting"
[00:59] <zyrorl> and nothing helps
[00:59] <zyrorl> i've even reset the modem settings from scratch just incase
[01:00] <sarir> bsnider, the dkms is not installed
[01:00] <zyrorl> its almost annoying enough to have to downgrade back to hardy:S
[01:00] <sarir> i'll do it now
[01:00] <bruce89> zyrorl: I meant saying "try wicd", you're the 3rd to say that now
[01:01] <zyrorl> i've done that
[01:01] <zyrorl> if you read up
[01:01] <zyrorl> i've tried wicd
[01:01] <zyrorl> same problem
[01:01]  * bruce89 stays out of this
[01:01] <sarir> bsnider, what i should do now?
[01:01] <zyrorl> doesnt get an ip if trying to connect to wpa
[01:01] <sarir> :-/
[01:02] <bsnider> sarir, install nvidia-glx-177
[01:02] <sarir> bsnider, thanks
[01:02] <bruce89> !date
[01:02] <bruce89> !release-date
[01:02] <bruce89> !schedule
[01:02] <Mimi> the 30th
[01:03] <bruce89> better upgrade the other machine to avoid the rush then
[01:03] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/256054
[01:03] <sarir> bsnider, it's working.. the shell at least i mean
[01:03] <sarir> :-)
[01:03] <bsnider> what is working?
[01:03] <sarir> it is installing
[01:04] <Mimi> Goodness. I haven't ever had a problem with Ubuntu since Edgy, and now I got stutter sound problems. *sob!*
[01:04] <sarir> nvidia-177-kernel-source nvidia-settings
[01:04] <DanaG> yay: kernel BUG at /build/buildd/linux-2.6.27/net/mac80211/ieee80211_i.h:764!
[01:04] <bsnider> sarir, you also need to alter your xorg.conf file
[01:04] <sarir> bsnider, ok..
[01:04] <sarir> yes
[01:05] <bruce89> Mimi: interestingly, Edgy was the first after a LTs
[01:05] <Volkodav> anybody installed on dell Vostro200 ?
[01:05] <bsnider> relpace it with this one http://paste.ubuntu.com/56368/
[01:05] <sarir> i saw something like that in the message ... bsnider
[01:05] <bruce89> and so is Intrepid
[01:05] <Volkodav> ethernet card id not recognized, install flakes out at 59 %
[01:06] <DanaG> great... plugging in an rtl8187 card just broke, like, everything.
[01:07] <DanaG> I can't kill Firefox, and I don't think I'll be able to log out...
[01:07] <zyrorl> :(
[01:07] <DanaG> killall -9 firefox....... hangs.
[01:07] <zyrorl> argh
[01:07] <bsnider> ctrl-alt-bkspc
[01:07] <zyrorl> i give up on this mofo
[01:07] <DanaG> killall -9 killall......... hangs.
[01:07] <DanaG> =þ
[01:07] <zyrorl> i'll make it set static ip for now
[01:08] <zyrorl> i'm not going to turn off wireless security on the network for the sake of a bug :P
[01:10] <bruce89> þhingvellir
[01:10] <Mimi> wow vlc has changed quite a bit...
[01:11] <bruce89> Mimi: courtesy of a Qt 4.x interface
[01:11]  * Mimi stuffs herself with cookies so she makes no comments
[01:11] <zyrorl> yeah vlc looks nicer now
[01:12] <zyrorl> its been like that in the 0.9.0 tree for a while
[01:12] <bruce89> WxWidgets programs have a knack of looking like garbage
[01:12] <zyrorl> yeah
[01:12] <zyrorl> mind you
[01:12] <zyrorl> the volume control rainbow look is totally faggy.
[01:13]  * bruce89 fails to see how a interface can look like a cigarette
[01:13]  * zyrorl was meaning like gay rainbow flag
[01:13]  * bruce89 was trying to be humourous
[01:14] <zyrorl> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pride_flag_(LGBT_community)
[01:14] <zyrorl> :P
[01:14] <zyrorl> indeed:P
[01:14] <bruce89> I never let the facts get in the way of a gag
[01:16] <DanaG> Yay, latest nm update I installed fixed the ifupdown(br0) thing.
[01:16] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and what that rtl8187 did: killed anything currently using wifi.
[01:18] <zyrorl> cool
[01:18] <zyrorl> maybe it'll unfuck my issues, but i seriously doubt it since its also affecting wicd:(
[01:18] <Mimi> !language
[01:18] <Mimi> :D
[01:18] <bsnider> zyrorl, if you want to be banned, continue to use language like that
[01:19]  * burner doesn't fear the f-bomb but wasn't down with the homophobia
[01:20]  * Hobbsee agrees with bsnider and burner, and also, incidently, has banning powers.
[01:20] <bsnider> Hobbsee, you're sarah hobbs right?
[01:20] <Hobbsee> bsnider: yes
[01:21] <bsnider> i like you gxine package
[01:21] <zyrorl> k
[01:21] <Hobbsee> bsnider: oh good!  So it works well for you?
[01:21] <bsnider> it works better than totem, although obviously it isn't as polished as totem
[01:21] <Hobbsee> bsnider: i was glad to see it fixed the mute bug...although it looks completely different
[01:21] <Hobbsee> and a few other crashers.
[01:22] <zyrorl> burner - homophobia means you're afraid of gay people, i'm not scared or dislike them.
[01:22] <zyrorl> and how do you know i'm not gay?
[01:22] <Hobbsee> zyrorl: inappropriate for here.
[01:22] <Hobbsee> zyrorl: out of all the language that you *could* use, i'm sure you can avoid the inappropriate stuff.
[01:22] <Hobbsee> english isn't that small
[01:23] <burner> anyone here hip to thunderbird status in intrepid?  any chance we'll see a 3.0 of sorts before release?
[01:23] <bsnider> if they'd polish up gxine's gui, it could possibly replace totem
[01:23]  * burner wishes gnomefreak were here
[01:23] <DanaG> What's new in Thunderbird 3.0?
[01:23] <bruce89> bsnider: no chance
[01:24] <burner> DanaG: as of yesterday, tabs :)
[01:24] <zyrorl> thunderbird meh.
[01:24] <DanaG> I tried the Firefox 3.1 with XULRunner 1.9.1.... and the package segfaulted during install.
[01:24] <burner> DanaG: but a whole heap of other changes as well... imap works swimmingly
[01:24] <bruce89> sounds about right
[01:24] <DanaG> Did it not before?
[01:24] <zyrorl> i'm pretty happy with evolution
[01:24] <burner> DanaG: it was just slow
[01:24] <zyrorl> i think its mostly better than thunderbird, especially for exchange support
[01:25] <DanaG> Handy thing I did: link Evolution calendars to Thunderbird / Sunbird calendars.
[01:25] <burner> interesting... i'm curious about this... how well does your exchange supoprt work?
[01:25] <bruce89> calendars come to mind
[01:25] <DanaG> That way the things appear in my date-time thingy, and the desktop environment itself gives me reminders.
[01:25] <burner> i can't use my evolution reliably with exchange... i lose email!!!
[01:26] <zyrorl> burner really? i haven't got any issues, did you mean as in lose email when sending? i find that for some reason it puts sent email in the local mail box folder
[01:26] <DanaG> Aah, it worked this time... must've been the out-of-space issue.
[01:26] <zyrorl> but other than that it seems to work really well.. and i've finally got it to connect to the GAL
[01:26] <DanaG> What's new in FF 3.1?
[01:26] <bruce89> YMMV
[01:26] <zyrorl> figured out you need to forward the gal server port
[01:26] <zyrorl> so now i cna get the global contact list:D
[01:26] <burner> zyrorl: i mean that email is out on the server, i see it with thunderbird via imap, or with owa, but evolutiond oesn't show it
[01:27] <burner> zyrorl: also the calendar has always been sketchy
[01:27] <DanaG> What is new in FF 3.1?
[01:27] <burner> not that thunderbird and lightning talk to an exchange calendar, but evolution advertises support, it's not great
[01:28] <burner> DanaG: speed dial, porn mode
[01:28]  * bruce89 bets they'll bump it up to 3.5
[01:28] <zyrorl> weird..
[01:28] <zyrorl> what exchange server verison?
[01:28] <bsnider> DanaG, supposed to have better flash 10 support
[01:28] <zyrorl> our office runs 2k3
[01:28] <zyrorl> maybe 2007 is buggh
[01:29] <DanaG> Oh, fixes windowless?
[01:29] <zyrorl> evolution calendar works mostly, i occasionally have issues... kinda solved by restarting it
[01:29] <burner> we're on 2k3 as well, but I haven't played too much with evolution in intrepid yet... hardy was rough for me
[01:29] <bsnider> DanaG, supposedly
[01:29]  * burner believes the windowless fix when he sees it
[01:29] <Hobbsee> !upgrade
[01:29] <burner> flash is such a bane on my linux existence
[01:30] <zyrorl> i found flash 10 works better
[01:30] <bruce89> I wish flash would snuff it
[01:30] <zyrorl> flash is okay, it'd be better if adobe supported the product better in linux rather than keep feeding us buggy versions
[01:30] <zyrorl> or open the damn thing up
[01:30] <DanaG> Yup, Windowless works.
[01:30] <bruce89> pointless rubbish
[01:30] <burner> for sure on flash 10, but still... I know they won't fix the dual monitor support problem with fullscreening.  fullscreen always fulls to the "default" screen even if it originates on the other
[01:31] <zyrorl> burner, i found that problem happens even in windows
[01:31] <zyrorl> which #@$#@$'s me off
[01:31] <bruce89> adverts and a pointless video container
[01:31] <burner> if moonlight gets streaming video sites, i'll be all about it... moonlight is MS but at least more free than flash
[01:31] <bruce89> useless distraction
[01:31] <zyrorl> bruce89 - its got some very useful features in it
[01:32] <burner> hulu rules... i watched hte pres debate there since I don't have a tv
[01:32] <DanaG> Grr:  This message may contain a virus or there is not enough disk space. Skip this message?
[01:32]  * bruce89 hopes for Dirac/HTML5/Theora etc.
[01:32] <zyrorl> i'm all for it
[01:32] <DanaG> root is no longer full...
[01:32] <zyrorl> opera supports it:D
[01:32] <DanaG> home is not full...
[01:32] <DanaG> and the partition with the FF and TBird profiles... is not full.
[01:32] <bruce89> zyrorl: as does WebKit
[01:33] <zyrorl> firefox is the only backwards browser that doesnt
[01:33] <bruce89> not surprisingly
[01:33] <zyrorl> and ie
[01:33] <bruce89> same thing
[01:33] <zyrorl> as much as people whinge about how opera isn't open source, i'm very happy with the way they put out constant snapshots and are really responsive to fixing the issues people report
[01:33]  * bruce89 hopes for WebKit only Epiphany in 2.26
[01:33] <zyrorl> and it runs fast as hell
[01:34] <zyrorl> webkit i havent got a lot of experience with short of using it in konqueror
[01:35] <zyrorl> which i open up very seldomly
[01:35] <zyrorl> i find it chokes a lot on badly written banking sites
[01:35] <bruce89> konqueror doesn't use it yet AFAIK
[01:35] <zyrorl> oh
[01:35] <zyrorl> i thought it did.., is it still in khtml?
[01:35] <bruce89> as I said, I think so
[01:36] <emet> I heard a rumor that OOo will make it into the final release
[01:36] <zyrorl> ah konqueror with kde4 uses webkit
[01:36] <emet> OOo 3
[01:36] <bruce89> zyrorl: good
[01:36] <bruce89> as does GIMP's help browser, until they disabled it in Intrepid
[01:37] <zyrorl> kinda funny in a way how apple forked khtml to create webkit and its coming full circle
[01:37] <emet> !flashplayer-nonfree
[01:37] <emet> !info flashplugin-nonfree
[01:37] <OneTB> I am getting a "Failure to mount cdrom" while installing xubuntu 8.10 from a usb.  anyone know anything about that?
[01:38] <jeff__> i've just installed intrepid beta and enabled nvidia driver 177 and compiz, my screen doesnt refresh very well at all now. sometimes i go to a web page and the page doesnt appear to have changed until i click on it. its the same with applications. they dont update until i click on them or something. any idea what could cause this and how to fix it?
[01:39] <zyrorl> jeff__ - yeah i've had that issue too
[01:39] <zyrorl> no idea
[01:39] <zyrorl> it kinda went away
[01:39] <zyrorl> on its own
[01:39] <zyrorl> which is really strange
[01:39] <jeff__> zyrorl, its so annoying havnig stuff just linger on the screen
[01:39] <zyrorl> agreed
[01:39] <zyrorl> its fubar
[01:39] <zyrorl> tried downgrading the driver?
[01:40] <OneTB> I am getting a "Failure to mount cdrom" while installing xubuntu 8.10 from a usb.  anyone know anything about that?
[01:41] <Hobbsee> jeff__: known problem.  Nvidia haven't released updated drivers, for the X in intrepid.
[01:41] <Jangari> OneTB: did you just put the iso on a usb drive?
[01:41] <jeff__> Hobbsee, nuts.
[01:41] <Hobbsee> jeff__: although i think you can do a metacity --replace & and it doesn't happen
[01:42] <bruce89> compiz really is more trouble that it's worth
[01:42] <Hobbsee> bruce89: for those with non-free drivers, yes...
[01:42] <jeff__> Hobbsee, yeah but then there's no compiz :0
[01:42] <Jangari> can i force ubuntu to allow more screen resolutions by literally writing them into the xorg.conf?
[01:42]  * burner likes compiz :)
[01:42]  * bruce89 likes Metacity
[01:42] <OneTB> Jangari: I set up the usb drive with syslinux
[01:42] <burner> Jangari: worth a shot
[01:42]  * jeff__ is made whole by compiz.
[01:42] <zyrorl> compiz has a lot more useful thingsthan just eyecandy
[01:43] <Hobbsee> jeff__: well...
[01:43] <Mimi> Like ADHD help. I love it.
[01:43] <Hobbsee> jeff__: actually, you might be able to use the older version of compiz, too
[01:43] <burner> anyone hip to the new theme happenings?  who has the final say?
[01:43] <zyrorl> i find the widgets layer to be quite useful, and window groups are a blessing
[01:43] <jeff__> zoom is great too
[01:43]  * bruce89 likes window managers that manage windows
[01:43] <Jangari> my widescreen monitor is displaying 4:3 and my external monitor won't go beyond 1024x768 when it's actually 1650x1050
[01:43] <Hobbsee> zyrorl: it's changing, mark has the final say.
[01:43] <jeff__> unfold cube
[01:43] <burner> Jangari: nvidia?
[01:43] <Jangari> hmm, not sure actually, how would I find out?
[01:44] <burner> Jangari: run "lspci |grep VGA" from a terminal
[01:44]  * burner is sure there's some hip gui way to do so, but i'm not sure off the top of my head
[01:45] <Jangari> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02)
[01:45] <orbish> Jangari i had a similar problem, but this is a longshot... do you have a KVM switch?
[01:45] <Jangari> you're going over my head now
[01:46] <Hobbsee> jeff__: ah, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/269904
[01:46] <orbish> ok nevermind, a kvm switch allows you to connect multiple computers up to a single mouse/keyboard/monitor
[01:46] <OneTB> Jangari: The issue I have is that I get about 4 steps into the alt. installer, and it fails to detect the cdrom and won't progress
[01:46] <Jangari> but there was another symptom: when I tried to force my monitor to display at full res, it asked me to enable virtual resolution settings in xorg.conf, but that screwed x altogether and I had to dpkg recofigure
[01:46]  * Mimi hi 5's all .   One update and sound now works :D   Now, to fix being unable to boot unless it's by recovery mode ;p
[01:47] <Jangari> no orbish, i don't, i just have a laptop and an external monitor which i'm trying to set up as parallel desktops
[01:47] <tictac232434> Hello
[01:47] <orbish> jangari do a ' sudo ddcprobe'
[01:48] <Jangari> before i figured out what was wrong, i'd reinstalled intrepid 4 times
[01:48] <orbish> look for your external monitor and see if edid fails
[01:48] <tictac232434> When i try to open my Music or Pictures or any folder really Vlc player comes up and starts playing them all at once how do I disable this?
[01:48] <Jangari> ddcprobe?
[01:48] <Jangari> not found
[01:48] <orbish> k one sec
[01:49] <tictac232434> When i try to open my Music or Pictures or any folder really Vlc player comes up and starts playing them all at once how do I disable this?
[01:49] <Jangari> hang on, let me get changed, i just had a shower
[01:49] <bruce89> !flood
[01:49] <orbish> sudo apt-get install xresprobe
[01:49] <orbish> that will give you ddcprobe
[01:50] <bruce89> tictac232434: right click on file, properties, open with tab
[01:50] <orbish> then do sudo ddcprobe, see if your external monitor's edid fails
[01:50] <OneTB> I am getting a "Failure to mount cdrom" while installing xubuntu 8.10 from a usb.  anyone know anything about that?  The failure is within the Alt installer.
[01:52] <tictac232434> Bruce: I can't even open folder
[01:52] <tictac232434> Or Vlc player will pop up and start trying to play everything in folder
[01:53] <OneTB> :-( ???
[01:54] <Jangari> doing it now orbish
[01:55] <Jangari> okay, what am i looking for orbish?
[01:55] <tictac232434> Fixed it
[01:56] <tictac232434> I uninstalled Vlc
[01:56] <Jangari> that's not a fix, tictac232434
[01:56] <tictac232434> and am going to re-install
[01:56] <Mimi> i fixed all my ubuntu problems by uninstalling it
[01:56] <orbish> you want to find your external monitor
[01:56] <orbish> and see if EDID fails
[01:56] <tictac232434> Shit Jang ur right..
[01:57] <tictac232434> It does not fix it
[01:57] <Jangari> will it just say "edid: fail"?
[01:57] <tictac232434> well temp does...
[01:57] <orbish> Jangari: it will give you some modes and then it will say edid: twice, the second one will say fail
[01:57] <tictac232434> Jang: Do you know how to fix this error?
[01:58] <Jangari> the second one says 1 3
[01:58] <Jangari> no tictac232434, but I'd attempt looking into the gnome preview settings, and then seeing if vlc is the default media player, and trying to disable this issue somewhere there
[01:59] <OneTB> nothings?  nothing at all?  I am getting a "Failure to mount cdrom" while installing xubuntu 8.10 from a usb.  anyone know anything about that?
[01:59] <Jangari> orbish: http://paste.ubuntu.com/56496/
[02:01] <orbish> jangari: see if this helps out https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/194760
[02:01] <OneTB> excellent
[02:05] <Jangari> i don't think that's the issue orbish, see my pastebin, ddcprobe returns everything you'd expect
[02:05] <Jangari> it's just not going through to the screen resolution config
[02:07] <orbish> yea it was a stab in the dark, i was having that problem and it turned out to be EDID
[02:08] <orbish> see if my thread helps though, i found a way to rig it
[02:08] <orbish> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=942381
[02:09] <tictac232434> Jang: Ok thank you
[02:12] <Jangari> okay, i'll check it out, thanks orbish
[02:12] <bobbyd> hi
[02:12] <Jangari> bugger, i have to remember how to edit fstab again
[02:13] <bobbyd> when I click Places->Home Folder I get "Could not open location 'file:///home/rob' Failed to execute child process "audacious" (No such file or directory)" where is that menu defined so I can go and fix it?
[02:13] <bobbyd> Jangari: sudo nano -w /etc/fstab
[02:20] <m0u5e> hi, when compiz is on, my windows have trouble drawing the contents correctly (i've noticed this with naut + firefox), I've read that others have experienced this problem as well... I've switched back to metacity, and it seems to work fine... any ideas on how to fix it or is a fix already being triaged?
[02:23] <bobbyd>  got weird white title bars, I just turned off compiz for now
[02:26] <wastrel> there's a known bug with nvidia and compiz
[02:27] <bobbyd> ok
[02:27] <bobbyd> I'm on Nvidia, so that's probably it :)
[02:28] <orbish> !nvidia
[02:33] <Pretto> is there a python lib for manpages?
[02:33] <Jangari> what should I put in the fstab for 'options' for a data partition that I want to mount every boot at startup?
[02:33] <Jangari> and 'pass' gets 2 right? since my root partition gets 1?
[02:41] <Hirato> I just thought I'd complain as many other have, that the 'snow' and 'cube atlantis' compiz plugins are currently broken :D
[02:41] <Jangari> meh
[02:49] <bsnider> there won't be any other dvidia drivers before the 180 series, so this is it for awhile
[03:00] <DanaG> !find efifb
[03:03] <aidan_> okay more monitor business, I restarted after ugraded a ton of packages, and now the screen resolution dialogue supports higher resolutions
[03:04] <aidan_> except when I try to use the resolution my 22" supports, it asks me to enable virtual resolution settings, which is precisely what triggered the problem last time
[03:05] <aidan_> the problem being x is totally disabled. From the login screen on, everything is either white, or a bunch of vertical striped resembling the colours of the default intrepid background
[03:05] <aidan_> stripes*
[03:05] <aidan_> grr
[03:12] <Jangari> when I mount my data partition, nautilus has this note saying "these are files on a picture CD, open f-spot?" which is of course totally wrong, can i get rid of that?
[03:16] <bsnider> Jangari, known bug
[03:19] <m0u5e> hmm i think i figured out the compiz redraw bug
[03:19] <m0u5e> rolling back nvidia drivers has solved the problem for me, i don't get a redraw problem anymore
[03:21] <m0u5e> mm here, if anyone else is interested seems to be a regression from hardy in gnomelibcanvas
[03:22] <m0u5e> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libgnomecanvas/+bug/272316
[03:32] <soreau> Hello. Which version of compiz-fusion will ship with Ibex?
[03:56] <rmmm> haj
[03:57] <rmmm> Im on ubuntu amd64 8.04
[03:57] <rmmm> is it a good idea to upgrade to interpid - I want to see how are recent kernels handling my laptop
[03:57] <rmmm> if I just do an upgrade, things will probably more-or-less work?  or probably computer would not even boot or not boot to X?
[03:59] <soreau> ! ibex
[04:00] <soreau> So far as graphics drivers and kernel versions go, which graphics card are you using?
[04:02] <soreau> Which version of compiz-fusion will ship with Ibex anyway?
[04:04] <RAOF> 0.7.8
[04:06] <soreau> RAOF: I'll strangle you!
[04:06] <soreau> xD
[04:07] <soreau> Thanks man
[04:10] <nickrud> soreau, you can answer version questions at packages.ubuntu.com as well
[04:11] <soreau> Yea, I figured that out by now. Just testing the support here
[04:12] <Cycom> so...why does fglrx remove xorg?
[04:12] <RAOF> Cycom: Because it breaks Xorg.
[04:12] <RAOF> Don't install it :)
[04:12] <Cycom> oh, ok.
[04:12] <soreau> WTF?!
[04:12] <Cycom> RAOF: wouldn't it be better to like...not have it in the repos?
[04:12] <soreau> RAOF: Can you explain that a bit more?
[04:13] <soreau> I only hope this will be fixed before the release
[04:13] <RAOF> soreau: fglrx doesn't support Xserver 1.5.  Furthermore, it diverts libdri, and installs an older version which means Xorg won't start at all while fglrx is installed.
[04:13] <Cycom> soreau: well, I think that's up to AMD/ATI :/
[04:14] <RAOF> soreau: We'd love it to be fixed before release.  Up to ATI :(
[04:14]  * soreau is so glad he's using gentoo as primary and ubuntu as secondary
[04:14] <wastrel> heh
[04:14] <soreau> windows comes in last, regardless if it's in third place or not in his partition scheme
[04:14] <wastrel> so both ati and nvidia are broken in intrepid
[04:15] <soreau> Nice. That's what I like to hear
[04:15] <Cycom> radeon works fine...
[04:15] <soreau> wastrel: What's wrong with nvidia?
[04:15] <Cycom> I'm using it right now on my X1400
[04:15] <wastrel> compiz is b0rkish
[04:15] <soreau> Cycom: Not if you have a card that' too new for radeon
[04:15] <Beeftube> hi sexy people :D , is 8.10 still on schedule for october 30?
[04:15] <Cycom> I just wanted to compare it to the fglrx drivers. Guess that aint' gonna happen.
[04:15] <soreau> Cycom: X1400??
[04:15] <soreau> That's great news
[04:15] <Cycom> soreau: Mobility Radeon, yeah
[04:15] <soreau> Awesome
[04:16] <Cycom> I had it running on an X1300 back in 8.10 a4 or 5
[04:16]  * soreau notes that !ati needs updating in !cf
[04:16] <Cycom> and it worked fine on my Nvidia GeForce Go 7300 as well (the alternate card in this laptop :) )
[04:16] <soreau> Cycom: Is there no way to force version xorg 1.4.2?
[04:17] <soreau> Or I guess I should ask RAOF ..
[04:17] <Cycom> I dunno...
[04:17] <Cycom> haven't bothered with it.
[04:17] <Cycom> I just reinstalled intrepid over vista like...30 mintes ago.
[04:17] <soreau> RAOF: Is there any way at all to get fglrx working in ibex by downgrading and such trickery?
[04:17] <Cycom> soreau: why would you though?
[04:17] <soreau> Or are you guys hoping ati will fix things soon
[04:17] <Cycom> your card isn't supported?
[04:18] <soreau> Cycom: No, I just cannot stand the open drivers for games and google earth, though compiz works ok besides blur plugins
[04:18] <Cycom> god, I had forgotten how friggen awesome it is to use a package manager to install stuff instead of manual downloads on the internet.
[04:18] <Cycom> soreau: why would you use blur anyhow? :/
[04:18] <Cycom> soreau: I like being able to read stuff as I move it!
[04:19] <soreau> I test the open drivers every six months to check for improvement and they just don't do as much as fglrx can
[04:19] <Cycom> soreau: also, I have a desktop running windows for gaming, so that's a non-issue
[04:19] <soreau> Cycom: That is not the point
[04:19] <Cycom> bah. that'll change.
[04:19] <Cycom> the OS drivers will catch up
[04:19] <soreau> The point is, the driver should implement these features
[04:20] <soreau> Cycom: It's nice to know that they've made it as far as the X1400, but still, much work needs to be done
[04:20] <Cycom> *shrug* true that
[04:21] <Cycom> but they're still playing catchup.  Once they get a break and get even with closed-source development on other drivers, we'll be golden.
[04:21] <Cycom> What'd be really awesome is to see all of AMDs driver team start pumping stuff into linux repos.
[04:21] <soreau> I use fglrx religiously because after all the potential installation woes, it works really great
[04:22] <soreau> I really cannot wait for dri2, this will be great for compositing WM's and linux 3d apps
[04:29] <Cycom> I just want exchange e-mail to function correctly.
[04:29] <Cycom> I still can't search my GAL
[04:29] <wastrel> eew
[04:29] <wastrel> also what's GAL?
[04:29] <Cycom> Global Address List
[04:30] <Cycom> I use exchange because work uses exchange.
[04:30] <Cycom> Evolution likes to poop itself for some reason.
[04:30] <Cycom> Works great on pop e-mail though.
[04:35] <wastrel> evo makes me cry
[04:40] <Cycom> yikes. when did Xorg.conf start containing NOTHING?
[04:48] <soreau> Cycom: You shouldn't need an xorg.conf file at all..
[04:49] <Cycom> that's all well and good, but what if I want to change stuff?
[04:49] <soreau> You create an xorg.conf file and use it
[04:51] <Cycom> OH YES! SWEET JESUS YES! MY MIGHTY MOUSE WORKS WITHOUT ANY CONFIGURATION!
[04:51]  * Cycom does the happy dance
[04:51]  * soreau is somehow not surprised or thrilled
[04:52] <Cycom> dude, for the last 3 releases of ubuntu it didn't work
[04:52] <Cycom> in fact, in alpha 4 it didn't QUITE work (horizontal scroll was reversed)
[04:52] <Cycom> the fact that I can now connect it without even THINKING is pretty amazing.
[04:52] <soreau> And linux keeps moving forward. I am happy, but not surprised
[04:53] <Cycom> That's not what has me so excited soreau.  What has me excited is that Linux has 'brain-dead-simple' install of the mighty mouse with full feature support before even WINDOWS does.
[04:54] <leftyfb> Hey, where's the wallpaper they talk about in this article? http://tinyurl.com/49ov8p   They said it came in an update, but on 3 machines I don't see it.
[04:54] <Cycom> It gives me hope soreau. It gives me hope.
[04:54] <AkariChan> do i need to do a reinstall of intrepid when it is released ? (i have the beta currently installed)
[04:54]  * soreau hopes Cycom will come to terms with himself and linux
[04:55] <soreau> AkariChan: Updates should do it, but I would recommend a fresh install
[04:55] <Cycom> soreau: I had lost faith for a while.  I saw bugs in Hardy being closed as 'fix released' because they didn't appear in Intrepid Alpha 4.  I saw stuff regressing as the alphas progressed.  It made me sad soreau.  It made me very sad.
[04:56] <soreau> leftyfb: Perhaps they're reserving it for the official release?
[04:56] <leftyfb> soreau: the article author says "and I say this because as of last night (October 10th), they replaced that ugly wallpaper introduced in the beta release with one that really represents the Intrepid Ibex"
[04:57] <leftyfb> to me sounds like he got it from an update
[04:57] <soreau> Cycom: My mentality is if it works hardware wise, it can and will work driver and software wise on any OS. But this is just my theory
[04:57] <bsnider> leftyfb, what did they replace it with?
[04:57] <soreau> leftyfb: If he shows no proof of this, I would find that claim subjective
[04:58] <leftyfb> bsnider: read the article
[04:59] <leftyfb> soreau: it's softpedia ... they're usually pretty good with the accuracy of their ubuntu articles
[04:59] <soreau> leftyfb: Is it just some image you're looking for?
[05:00] <leftyfb> soreau: not exactly. Was just curious if it was in the repo's somewhere that I was missing
[05:01] <leftyfb> WinNT? really?
[05:02] <soreau> heh
[05:03] <AkariChan`> nope
[05:03] <AkariChan`> wine'd mirc
[05:06] <Cycom> ew.
[05:07] <AkariChan`> call it ugly, but i need to do it this way.
[05:30] <frybye> the update that just got done notified that there was a new logout-button system and tried to automatically update it but then said that it could not be found or was at a non-default location that that I need to update it manually.. how to do this??
[05:30] <Cycom> hey, any idea where totem_config went to in intrepid?
[05:31] <frybye> Cycon - have you tried to da a file search for locating it...?
[05:31] <Cycom> yeah
[05:31] <Beeftube> cycom it is in the usr\bin I think
[05:31] <Cycom> I think it's under a different name now
[05:31] <frybye> i c
[05:32] <frybye> so does smbdy know how I should manually update the logout button thingy...???
[05:33] <frybye> right clicking on the existing one and going to -preferences- does not give an -update- option.. just access to different user menus or whatever...
[05:43] <Cycom> so no-one knows where the totem xine config file went in 8.10?
[06:33] <Omar87> Hi, I just installed Ubuntu 8.10 into my laptop, but unfortunately it didn't recognise eth0.
[06:35] <Omar87> I'm using my other machine, which also has Kubuntu 8.10 on it, but it's woking perfectly and has recognised Eth0.
[06:35] <Omar87> Any help please??
[06:36] <omar> Hi, I just installed Ubuntu 8.10 into my laptop, but unfortunately it didn't recognise eth0.
[06:36] <omar> I'm using my other machine, which also has Kubuntu 8.10 on it, but it's woking perfectly and has recognised Eth0.
[06:37] <omar> Any help please??
[06:38] <omar> Anybody there?
[06:50] <omar> Hi, I just installed Ubuntu 8.10 into my laptop, but unfortunately it didn't recognise eth0.
[06:50] <omar> I'm using my other machine now, which also has Kubuntu 8.10 on it, but it's woking perfectly and has recognised Eth0.
[06:50] <omar> Anybody there?
[06:51] <omar> Any help please??
[06:51] <jianfei> omar
[06:51] <jianfei> yes
[06:51] <jianfei> what is the NIC?
[06:51] <omar> NIC?
[06:51] <jianfei> the card
[06:51] <omar> Speedtouch
[06:51] <jianfei> cant help
[06:51] <omar> This is the modem.
[06:51] <jianfei> sorry mate
[06:52] <omar> How do I know the card?
[06:53] <Omar87> jianfei: How dow find out what card do I have?
[07:04] <techno_freak> Omar87, lspci | grep Ethernet
[07:13] <leishmaniac> so it's pretty unstable?
[07:21] <daisha> Hey all...  I'm having a little problem with nvidia-settings.  I'm on 8.10, freshly updated, with the nvidia 173 driver (178 overworks my GPU fan), and whenever I try (as su) to commit changes to xorg.conf from nvidia-settings, it throws a seg fault and borks my config.  Any ideas?
[08:13] <nhorning> Hi
[08:13] <nhorning> I'm using chroot to access my ibex installationg
[08:13] <nhorning> and update it
[08:13] <nhorning> and it can't seem to see my net connection
[08:13] <nhorning> I've done this successfully before
[08:14] <nhorning> but I can ping archive.ubuntu.com from the live cd root
[08:14] <nhorning> and I can't do it from my ibex root
[08:14] <nhorning> is their a command I'm forgeting?
[08:14] <Hobbsee> nhorning: what's in /etc/resolv.conf?
[08:14] <Hobbsee> (on the chroot'd system)
[08:15] <nhorning> just  a sec
[08:15] <nhorning> whats the text based txt editor again?
[08:15] <Hobbsee> vi?
[08:15] <Hobbsee> nano?
[08:15] <nhorning> yeah
[08:15] <nhorning> just a sec
[08:16] <nhorning> # Generated by NetworkManager
[08:16] <nhorning> thats it
[08:17] <nhorning> one line
[08:17] <nhorning> commented out
[08:17] <Hobbsee> ahh.  you need the address of your nameserver in there
[08:17] <Hobbsee> as in, nameserver <iP address>
[08:17] <nhorning> whats my name server?
[08:17] <nhorning> oh, can I just copy that over form my livecd root?
[08:19] <nhorning> it's all about using copy and paste in terminals...
[08:20] <nhorning> ok, done
[08:20] <nhorning> lets try this again
[08:20] <nhorning> hey how bout that
[08:20] <nhorning> don't ever let me say you never did anything for me...
[08:20] <anolis> my sound is broken.. when i run alsaconf it reports that no pci devices were found, although lspci and lshw both list my 2 sound devices
[08:21] <foormea> hi
[08:22] <Bineagle> i have a problem when compiling my c source file after gcc file.c i have this msg (gcc: r.c: No such file or directory
[08:22] <Bineagle> gcc: no input files
[08:22] <Bineagle> )
[08:22] <foormea> anyone under intrepid/kde? i'm contemplating switching now to intrepid, is it stable enough for daily use? is it usable just like kde3? or should i wait for the official release or even later?
[08:23] <Hobbsee> nhorning: yes
[08:23] <Hobbsee> nhorning: hehe :)
[08:23] <Hobbsee> !b-e | Bineagle
[08:24] <Lynoure> foormea: What kind of monitor setup you have? Because it seems to be mightily frustrating at least in cases where you use laptop, sometimes with external monitor
[08:24] <Lynoure> foormea: seems stable enough, though, but plenty of kde3 stuff there still underneath/within
[08:25] <foormea> Lynoure: simply a laptop without an external monitor. i have high expectations on input language support though: i need english, french and chinese
[08:25] <ter> hi, it's midnight here - trying to get past migrating about 700MB of email from evolution into intrepid. I backed up in 8.04 evolution, restored in 8.10 evolution OK. The conversion to sqlite never seems to complete. There is no visible indication of any progress, and evolution will not launch. This is for a user who must have evolution working. Appreciate any work around.
[08:25] <anolis_> did anyone reply to my question? computer froze.
[08:26] <Lynoure> foormea: so, same I'm frustrated with. I have found no way to get the external resolution come right at boot, so I need to open Display settings (not change anything, just open) every time, and then resize the panel
[08:26] <nhorning> I can only hope the latest upgrades fix network manager for me
[08:26] <Bineagle> ubottu: i download all package but just i need to compile file.c (classic c)
[08:26] <anolis_> Lynoure: have you tried manually setting resolution in /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[08:26] <foormea> Lynoure: okay then. i won't be too edgy and i'll just wait for kde4 to mature a bit more then i think :)
[08:26] <Lynoure> foormea: another thing that bothers me is that a lot of things just die instead of getting saved in a session
[08:26] <foormea> oh
[08:27] <Lynoure> anolis_: no, was not needed in the released version, so I did not fiddle with that yet.
[08:28] <foormea> Lynoure: could you please tell me if you can add languages yet in the system settings? last time i tried kde4 on hardy there was no (apparent) way to add languages or input chinese under kde4
[08:28] <freaky_t> umm, suddenly i can't play mp3s anymore it says file format not supported anyone knows what i can do?
[08:28] <Lynoure> foormea: I have Finnish and English, I have no idea about Chinese, sorry
[08:28] <crdlb> Bineagle: what command are you using exactly? and what are you trying to compile?
[08:29] <foormea> Lynoure: okay thank you
[08:30] <Bineagle> crdlb: i'm student & i need to compile my c source file (classic c) with gcc cmd (please what is the cmd to compile and run the file)
[08:31] <crdlb> Bineagle: what command are you trying?
[08:32] <Bineagle> crdlb: gcc file.c -o file.o
[08:33] <crdlb> and that fails with a file not found error about 'r.c'? O_o
[08:34] <nhorning> I shouldn't be alarmed if I see ocasional warnings in the text while doing an apt-get dist-upgrade should I?
[08:35] <Bineagle> crdlb: after compiling i found file.out i cant run it
[08:35] <crdlb> I can't imagine how that could happen unless you're using #include "r.c" (which is poor style, headers should have a '.h' extension)
[08:35] <ter> nhorning: as long as the dist-upgrade completes
[08:36] <crdlb> Bineagle: you mean file.o? what happens exactly?
[08:36] <nhorning> ok, thats what I thought
[08:36] <nhorning> you know, just going though the process of fixing linux after I do a bone head thing and break it
[08:36] <nhorning> ...
[08:36] <nhorning> makes me love linux even more
[08:37] <Bineagle> i compile from .c to .out using gcc file.c
[08:37] <crdlb> 'gcc file.c' will create an 'a.out'
[08:37] <nhorning> you can't brows the net while your trying to fix a hosed installation of vista...
[08:37] <nhorning> I'm pretty sure...
[08:38] <crdlb> unless you specify an output name with -o
[08:39] <Bineagle> i dont specify any output name only gcc file.c --------> a.out
[08:39] <crdlb> yes
[08:39] <Bineagle> and i want to run my program
[08:39] <crdlb> so you run ./a.out
[08:41] <Bineagle> its ok it run,thankyou
[08:49] <nhorning> ok
[08:49] <nhorning> done updateing,
[08:49] <nhorning> here goes nothing...
[08:50] <Ayabara> hi. when I run kde4, the network manager either doesn't work or doesn't start by itself
[08:51] <Ayabara> I believe I sometimes have found it in "ps aux" and killed the process. After restarting knetworkmanager or nm-applet, it works fine.
[08:53] <ccooke> ... gnome-keyring-manager seems not to exist in Intrepid. Is there any replacement for the functionality?
[08:57] <ccooke> In fact... is there *any* mechanism for seeing what networks you have configured in network manager?
[08:58] <crdlb> ccooke: seahorse is its replacement
[08:58] <ccooke> crdlb: okay. How do I access that in the menu?
[08:59] <ccooke> er... it also only seems to know about ssh keys
[09:01] <crdlb> I have no idea; all I know is that ubuntu is using it as a replacement for g-k-m
[09:01] <crdlb> and it supposedly can do everything g-k-m can plus a lot more
[09:01] <ccooke> um. It appears to have no functionality in common!
[09:01] <ccooke> damn. time to go and submit a bug report.
[09:03] <ccooke> Hmm. Log it against network-manager or ... well, Ubuntu, I guess?
[09:03] <crdlb> what exactly is the bug?
[09:04] <Shai-tan1> Hi guys. Anyone else had problems with ebox in Intrepid server?
[09:04] <ccooke> It is not currently possible to see what wireless networks you have configured.
[09:05] <ccooke> Whcih is basic functionality of every other OS. Hell, every other *wireless device* does it.
[09:05] <crdlb> I'm not using intrepid ATM, but is there no nm-editor entry in the nm-applet menu?
[09:06] <Jordan_U> ccooke: What are you talking about?
[09:06] <ccooke> Jordan_U: I think that's fairly obvious, if you read what I wrote :-)
[09:06] <crdlb> clearly not
[09:06] <Jordan_U> ccooke: Right click the applet -> Edit Connections
[09:07] <ccooke> Jordan_U: that configures devices.
[09:07] <crdlb> it lists configured access points ...
[09:07] <ccooke> where in that does it list the *wireless networks* I have configured?
[09:07] <ccooke> No it doesn't
[09:07] <crdlb> unless that doesn't run nm-editor
[09:07] <Jordan_U> ccooke: In the wireless tab ?
[09:08] <ccooke> ahhh! Okay, right. I had nothing there.
[09:08] <Shai-tan1> !ebox
[09:08] <hyperair> hello. where should i go to bug somebody about a bug regarding pm-utils?
[09:09] <ccooke> (I'm currently restoring everything from a backup - I've previously used gnome-keyring-manager to import my old keyring contents. Been looking around for the functionality)
[09:09] <techno_freak> ccooke, seahorse?
[09:09] <Jordan_U> hyperair: I assume you have filed a bug report?
[09:10] <ccooke> before I configured my base network, it said "Auto wlan0" in there, which made me assume it's an interface to /etc/network/interfaces
[09:10] <ccooke> Which I should probably still submit as a bug, but a very minor one :-)
[09:10] <Jordan_U> ccooke: It's not
[09:10] <Shai-tan1> !intrepid
[09:10] <ccooke> Jordan_U: yeah, I can see that now. It's quite an improvement on previous stuff.
[09:11] <hyperair> Jordan_U: yes i have. it was pretty active, then activity stopped.
[09:11] <hyperair> Jordan_U: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/267141w
[09:11] <Lynoure> ccooke: they don't let you choose the severity for the bug anyway :) (unless that has changed very recently)
[09:11] <hyperair> whoops
[09:11] <hyperair> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/267141
[09:11] <ccooke> techno_freak: the interface is appalling, but it looks like it's capable
[09:12] <ccooke> ah, no.
[09:12] <hyperair> ccooke: what seems to be the problem?
[09:12] <ccooke> It doesn't read gnome keyrings.
[09:12] <wgrant> seahorse does so.
[09:13] <hyperair> ccooke: go to applications->accessories->password and encryption keys, and go to the last tab "Passwords"
[09:13] <ccooke> Okay. Now, how do I import the keys from a backup keyring?
[09:14] <hyperair> ccooke: try key->import
[09:14] <hyperair> i've never done somethingl ike that before
[09:15] <ccooke> hyperair: I tried that already. You get an amusingly poorly-written error dialog:
Couldn't import keys</b></big>
[09:15] <ccooke> file:///home/ccooke/.gnome2/keyrings/default.keyring: Invalid file format
[09:15] <hyperair> heh.
[09:16] <hyperair> the tags are still there eh
[09:16] <wgrant> Could well be a mistranslation.
[09:16] <hyperair> should file a bug lol
[09:16] <ccooke> I mean, this isn't a bug any more - there's now a completely different (and better) interface for networks.
[09:16] <wgrant> ccooke: You might have to use gnome-keyring-manager. How did you generate the backup?
[09:16] <ccooke> (well, the tags being there is!)
[09:16] <ccooke> wgrant: rsync :-)
[09:16] <wgrant> Ah.
[09:16] <ccooke> wgrant: and gnome-keyring-manager doesn't exist in intrepid
[09:16] <ccooke> which is where I started on this whole thing :-)
[09:16] <wgrant> So you might just copy the old keyring over the new one.
[09:16] <hyperair> yea
[09:16] <wgrant> If you've not got anything useful in there.
[09:16] <hyperair> that's what i was thinking lol
[09:17] <hyperair> or you could just dump it there and make it a new keyring
[09:17] <hyperair> default2.keyring or something
[09:17] <ccooke> wgrant: the old one was created in... Gutsy or Feisty, I think
[09:17] <ccooke> I'd rather not blanket-overwrite, since I can't be sure what's stored in the new one
[09:18] <ccooke> anyone know of a tool to dump the format?
[09:18] <hyperair> ccooke: why don't you back up the current one, then just overwrite
[09:18] <hyperair> that way you can reverse the changes if they're bad
[09:18] <ccooke> true.
[09:18] <wgrant> Hmmm.
[09:18]  * ccooke tries restarting...
[09:22] <Ibrahim> hello, I installed intrepid on my laptop, I have used opensource graphic driver of ati radeon, compiz is working well and opengl and video flickering no more exist. But there are a lot of bugs on intrepid now. I installed hardy now, Is that possible to install that radeon driver which comes with intrepid to hardy heron? Thanks.
[09:23] <hyperair> Ibrahim: probably not without rebuilding the package at the very least. the xorg version in intrepid isn't the same as hardy's
[09:23] <ccooke> ... That would be a 'No', then
[09:23] <ccooke> Obviously the way network keys are stored has changed :-/
[09:24] <hyperair> ccooke: aw =(
[09:24] <ccooke> damn
[09:24] <ccooke> I guess I'd better manually install gnome-keyring-manager
[09:26] <Ibrahim> yes I know xorg version is different in intrepid. As you said that is not possible or not?
[09:26] <hyperair> Ibrahim: probably not
[09:27] <hyperair> Ibrahim: what bugs are you experiencing in intrepid?
[09:29] <ccooke> Ah, that's better!
[09:30] <ccooke> (running gnome-keyring-manager via ssh from the backup server, which is still running Gutsy :-)
[09:30] <hyperair> lol
[09:30] <Ibrahim> hyperair, thanks for your answers. I have experienced the bugs one of them, I am using intel wireless 3945, I think there is a bug in kernel system freezing most of boot process.
[09:31] <hyperair> Ibrahim: i'm using the same driver as you, but my wireless chip is intel 4965. i don't seem to have a bug with the kernel freezing
[09:31] <Ibrahim> Second one; I cannot install windows network printer. There is another bug in Samba system config package
[09:31] <hyperair> Ibrahim: you don't install a network printer from samba, you install it from sys->admin->printing
[09:32] <Ibrahim> yes I tried that in there but that cannot find any machine or printer to install
[09:33] <hyperair> windows printer via samba
[09:33] <hyperair> and then you key in the address yourself
[09:34] <AnAnt> what's the pan0 interface for ?
[09:34] <Ibrahim> I was install printers in hardy without any problem but I cant sucess in intrepid
[09:34] <wgrant> AnAnt: Bluetooth. Personal Area Network.
[09:34] <AnAnt> wgrant: how do I use it ?
[09:35] <hyperair> Ibrahim: can't help you there, my windows printer is at home in a different country
[09:35] <ccooke> Right. Thanks for the help, everyone :-)
[09:36] <hyperair> ccooke: np
[09:36] <hyperair> now where do i go to bug someone about a pm-utils bug?
[09:36] <AnAnt> wgrant: btw, the "hcitool dev" reports a different different bluetooth, than "ifconfig pan0", why's that ?
[09:36] <ccooke> Importing them 15 wireless networks by hand is annoying, but *so* much less so than losing all those keys :-)
[09:37] <hyperair> lol ccooke
[09:38] <crdlb> 15? :o
[09:38] <crdlb> I guess you weren't a linux user in the pre-NetworkManager days :P
[09:38] <Ibrahim> ok thanks, and also boot process takes more time and programs displaying in taskbar while starting
[09:39] <ccooke> crdlb: heh. Actually, I was a Debian user before Ubuntu started - since around 1999 IIRC (and various other distros before that)
[09:40] <ccooke> I wrote my own scripts to handle it. Network-manager is, now, better than any of them. Which makes me happy!
[09:41] <zyrorl> hyperair mm kernel freezing?
[09:42] <wgrant> AnAnt: I've no clue. I lack Bluetooth hardware.
[09:42] <AnAnt> ok
[09:43] <zyrorl> its kinda funny that so close to release date there's so much broken stuff still in intrepid
[09:44] <wgrant> zyrorl: LikeE?
[09:44] <wgrant> It's always a rush at the end.
[09:45] <hyperair> zyrorl: what? no i don't experience any kernel freezing, why?
[09:45] <zyrorl> well i'm getting all kinds of wireless networking issues
[09:45] <zyrorl> compiz.real crashing
[09:45] <wgrant> Have you reported them?
[09:45] <zyrorl> windows not updating correctly
[09:46] <wgrant> nvidia?
[09:46] <zyrorl> ie, you load a page, it finishes loading and nothing shows up until you scroll the page or something
[09:46] <zyrorl> happens as well when you click from tab to tab
[09:46] <zyrorl> where the contents of that tab don't quite show up
[09:47] <crdlb> that's a bug in the new nvidia driver
[09:47] <wgrant> I believe that's a bug with the proprietary nvidia driver.
[09:47] <wgrant> Which we cannot do a thing about.
[09:47] <wgrant> So we are not the people to complain about.
[09:47] <zyrorl> well the intel wireless driver isn't proprietary
[09:47] <zyrorl> and thats playing up
[09:47] <wgrant> Correct.
[09:47] <crdlb> you can switch to version 173 if your card is supported
[09:47] <wgrant> Have you filed a bug for that?
[09:47] <wgrant> If not, I revoke your right to complain.
[09:47] <zyrorl> no but i've seen similar ones logged
[09:48] <zyrorl> so i didn't want to add a redundant bug
[09:48] <wgrant> Numbers?
[09:48] <zyrorl> sec
[09:48] <hyperair> well i'm on iwlagn using iwl 4965 and no issues here
[09:48]  * wgrant is using an ipw2200 fine.
[09:48] <zyrorl> i'm having issues with loading dhcp on wpa networks
[09:48] <hyperair> as for compiz.real crashes, i didn't see any
[09:48] <zyrorl> i'm also on a 4965
[09:48] <zyrorl> all kinds of issues
[09:48] <wgrant> And a beetle has just crawled under one of my keys. What a stupid beetle.
[09:49] <hyperair> zyrorl: a log would be nice.
[09:49] <zyrorl> which log would you like?
[09:49] <AnAnt> crdlb: is there a problem in nvidias version 177 with compiz ?
[09:49] <AnAnt> crdlb: compiz core dumps here
[09:50] <crdlb> AnAnt: there do seem to be some issues ...
[09:50] <AnAnt> crdlb: bug 281696
[09:50] <hyperair> well i'm also using intel gma965 and have no issues =p
[09:50] <AnAnt> ok
[09:50] <hyperair> apart from 3d stuff flickering =(
[09:50] <hyperair> like glxgears
[09:50] <zyrorl> basically, i try to connect to my network using wpa, it tries to get an ip and it can't, if i disable wpa, works perfectly, if i plug into my lan it works fine, it used to work perfectly using hardy and no other laptop on the network on similar chipset has issues
[09:50] <hyperair> it just won't stop flickering
[09:50] <wgrant> hyperair: We'll likely have that fixed for Jaunty, with DRI2.
[09:50] <zyrorl> i then tried doing sudo dhclient wlan0
[09:50] <hyperair> wgrant: can't wait.
[09:50] <zyrorl> no ip either
[09:51] <zyrorl> so i have to force a static ip
[09:51] <zyrorl> tried rebooting router, resetting all settings
[09:51] <hyperair> i'm happy to note that xv now supports compositing
[09:51] <crdlb> if DRI2 doesn't get punted again :P
[09:51] <zyrorl> nothing seems to do the work
[09:51] <wgrant> hyperair: It's because we can't currently support redirected OpenGL, which is needed to have things working properly in Compiz.
[09:51] <wgrant> hyperair: I thought we used textured video in most cases now.
[09:51] <wgrant> crdlb: We can hope.
[09:51] <hyperair> wgrant: what?
[09:51] <wgrant> zyrorl: Does it work if you give it a static IP address?
[09:51] <wgrant> hyperair: Which bit?
[09:51] <zyrorl> yes
[09:51] <hyperair> i remember textured video was the one that had issues with compositing in hardy
[09:51] <zyrorl> wgrant yes. it works.
[09:52] <hyperair> wgrant: overlay was disabled in hardy
[09:52] <hyperair> wgrant: now it's using overlay i reckon
[09:52] <zyrorl> makes it hard though because not every wireless network i connect to i'll know the ip ranges used
[09:52] <wgrant> hyperair: We had textured video disabled for a while, but I thought it was reenabled now.
[09:52] <wgrant> zyrorl: Do you have a bug number for me?
[09:52] <crdlb> hyperair: moe the window around and you'll be able to tell if it's an overlay
[09:52] <hyperair> zyrorl: can you post the syslog snippet starting from when you try connecting?
[09:52] <crdlb> (the video won't keep up with the window if it is)
[09:53] <AnAnt> ok, I'll try the 173 then
[09:53] <hyperair> wgrant: oh so it was textured that was disabled? looks like i mixed it up
[09:53] <zyrorl> wgrant - gimme a moment
[09:53] <wgrant> hyperair: Yes, there were performance issues.
[09:53] <hyperair> my test was this: reduce the opacity of totem, and the video disappears
[09:53] <wgrant> It's still not as fast, but it's fine.
[09:53] <crdlb> hyperair: that works too :>
[09:54] <crdlb> hyperair: what does 'xvinfo' show?
[09:54] <crdlb> only the overlay, or is textured listed too?
[09:54] <hyperair> both textured and overlay is enabled
[09:54] <hyperair> i know only one of them was present in hardy
[09:54] <zyrorl> 263963
[09:54] <zyrorl> wgrant ^
[09:54] <hyperair> well at least i can now watch videos and do work at the same time now
[09:54] <wgrant> Bug #263963
[09:55] <hyperair> zyrorl: my campus uses wpa2 enterprise and i have no probs
[09:55] <wgrant> hyperair: Mine too.
[09:56] <wgrant> I use plain WPA in other places too.
[09:56] <zyrorl> i use wpa2 , but i tried setting normal wpa1 and that also didnt work
[09:56] <wgrant> Not the same chip, but it shows it's not toooo broken.
[09:56] <wgrant> zyrorl: Does WEP work?
[09:56] <wgrant> zyrorl: Have you tried different APs?
[09:56] <hyperair> wel i don't have any other wifi access other than at home, but that uses wep because one of my desktops doesn't support wpa
[09:56] <zyrorl> wgrant yes
[09:56] <zyrorl> different ap's some work, some dont
[09:56] <hyperair> zyrorl: blame it on the AP. got a log?
[09:57] <zyrorl> hyperair i would blame it on the AP but it worked fine under hardy
[09:57] <hyperair> oh.
[09:57] <zyrorl> i don't have a log yet
[09:58] <zyrorl> i'll have to disconnect from this terminal window and attempt to reconnect to give you a syslog
[09:58] <zyrorl> sec
[09:58] <zyrorl> as i'll lose network connectivity
[09:58] <zyrorl> brb
[09:58] <hyperair> ik see
[10:03] <nhorning> ok, silly easy question
[10:03] <nhorning> how do install a package with aptitude
[10:03] <nhorning> I'm trying to install wicd though a chroot
[10:03] <wgrant> aptitude install somepackage
[10:04] <nhorning> oh
[10:04] <nhorning> ok
[10:04] <nhorning> I can just do that from the command line?
[10:04] <wgrant> Yes.
[10:04] <nhorning> ok
[10:04] <nhorning> but just for interest
[10:04] <nhorning> I do I do it through the ascii gui
[10:04] <crdlb> the aptitude "gui" is useless ...
[10:04] <hyperair> useless, i agree
[10:04] <nhorning> yes, but I'm in it right now
[10:04] <hyperair> i just use apt-get
[10:04] <hyperair> =p
[10:04] <crdlb> so exit it
[10:05] <nhorning> and I'm about one key stroke away
[10:05] <nhorning> from marking it
[10:05] <hyperair> lol
[10:05] <hyperair> don't be lazy
[10:05] <nhorning> but I can't figure it out
[10:05] <hyperair> you've put out so many more keystrokes just asking your question here  =p
[10:05] <nhorning> but I want.... to .... know....
[10:05] <zyrorl> back
[10:05] <zyrorl> okay
[10:05]  * wgrant has never used it.
[10:05] <zyrorl> i'll put it up on pastebin
[10:05] <nhorning> fine
[10:05] <nhorning> I'll exit the gui...
[10:06] <hyperair> lol
[10:06] <nhorning> ok, I type aptitude install wicd?
[10:06] <nhorning> ok, I'm doing that then...
[10:07] <zyrorl> http://paste.ubuntu.com/56580/
[10:07] <zyrorl> hyperair
[10:07] <zyrorl> thats the syslog entries
[10:07] <Jordan_U> nhorning: Is there a reason you want to use wicd over network-manager?
[10:07] <nhorning> yes
[10:07] <zyrorl> btw wicd wont work either
[10:07] <nhorning> network manager doesn't work
[10:07] <zyrorl> i tested that as well
[10:07] <fincan> hi, any1 here with raid setup?
[10:07] <nhorning> I've been down for a week
[10:07] <Jordan_U> nhorning: Doesn't work in what way?
[10:07] <nhorning> and wicd is about to unistall it once I hit y
[10:07] <wgrant> nhorning: Then we should probably fix Network Manager, rather than installing something else...
[10:08] <wgrant> !doesn't work | nhorning
[10:08] <nhorning> yeah
[10:08] <nhorning> it does all of those things...
[10:08] <nhorning> look it tries to connect
[10:08] <nhorning> but when it gets to "requesting network address"
[10:08] <nhorning> it's sits there forever, and then says disconnecting
[10:08] <FormallyeLVis> !ati
[10:09] <zyrorl> nhorning - i get the exact same problem
[10:09] <nhorning> really?
[10:09] <nhorning> did you fix it?
[10:09] <zyrorl> have you got intel 4965?
[10:09] <zyrorl> i didnt
[10:09] <zyrorl> its still broken
[10:09] <zyrorl> i had to make my ip static
[10:09] <zyrorl> and then it'll connect
[10:09] <nhorning> well
[10:09] <Jordan_U> zyrorl: nhorning: Have you filed a bug report?
[10:09] <nhorning> I don't think I can do that in net cafe's
[10:09] <zyrorl> true
[10:09] <zyrorl> you cant
[10:09] <hyperair> zyrorl: sounds to me like a defective dhcp server
[10:10] <zyrorl> its not defective
[10:10] <zyrorl> i plug it into the lan port on the same router, it works
[10:10] <zyrorl> if i turn off wpa it works
[10:10] <hyperair> damn strange
[10:10] <hyperair> eh?
[10:10] <nhorning> multiple netcafe's do not have defective dhcp servers
[10:10] <zyrorl> other pcs on teh network connect just fine
[10:10] <hyperair> hmm
[10:10] <hyperair> so the encryption isn't working quite right
[10:10] <nhorning> yeah
[10:10] <zyrorl> mine worked under hardy, just yesterday
[10:10] <nhorning> I'm typing this through a hardy live cd
[10:10] <hyperair> from what i see, your card's sending the DHCPDISCOVER requests
[10:10] <nhorning> hardy works fine
[10:10] <hyperair> but the dhcp server isn't repying
[10:10] <zyrorl> second i switched to intrepid it broke
[10:10] <hyperair> replying*
[10:10] <zyrorl> yeah
[10:11] <Jordan_U> zyrorl: nhorning: Have you filed a bug report?
[10:11] <nhorning> it's been broken since I did the upgrade
[10:11] <nhorning> look,
[10:11] <zyrorl> Jordan_U - other people have
[10:11] <nhorning> I want to fix it
[10:11] <KR-data> I upgraded to Kubuntu 8.10 beta, and after the upgrade I get this message when trying to log on http://paste.ubuntu.com/56581/ What can I do?
[10:11] <nhorning> I'll file a bug report when I have a working net connection
[10:11] <Jordan_U> zyrorl: Can you link to the bug report?
[10:11] <nhorning> yeah, please link me there too
[10:12] <hyperair> zyrorl: do you have a log for a successful connect to the AP?
[10:12] <hyperair> zyrorl: like on hardy/
[10:12] <zyrorl> yes
[10:12] <nhorning> of course, I guess you would be doing that by definition
[10:12] <wgrant> Does it work if you run dhclient?
[10:12] <zyrorl> oh
[10:12] <wgrant> Bug #263963
[10:12] <zyrorl> not on hardy, but i can always get the livecd
[10:12] <zyrorl> and do it
[10:12] <hyperair> zyrorl: it would be great to compare the two logs
[10:12] <zyrorl> wgrant no
[10:12] <zyrorl> same thing
[10:12] <zyrorl> i'll go burn myself another copy of hardy and run it on livecd
[10:12] <nhorning> ok,
[10:12] <wgrant> zyrorl: OK, what if you run wpa_supplicant manually and then dhclient? If not, it's probably a kernel bug, so I'll triage it
[10:13] <nhorning> so in the meantime I'm installing wicd
[10:13] <zyrorl> well i tried sudo dhclient wlan0
[10:13] <nhorning> I'm one key stroke away..
[10:13] <zyrorl> and that just constnatnly kept trying to get the ip and no responses
[10:13] <zyrorl> nhorning - didn't fix my problem
[10:13] <zyrorl> i tried that
[10:13] <zyrorl> no go
[10:13] <zyrorl> even pump as dhcp
[10:13] <zyrorl> and the other option
[10:13] <zyrorl> nothing
[10:13] <KR-data> when I try to logon I get this message http://paste.ubuntu.com/56581/
[10:13] <zyrorl> wgrant - not sur ehow to run wpa supplicant manually
[10:13] <KR-data> what can  I do?
[10:14] <hyperair> hmm
[10:14] <hyperair> hmm
[10:14] <hyperair> i noticed something
[10:14] <nhorning> hmm, I'm not sure the installatoin succeded
[10:14] <hyperair> "Wireless event too big"
[10:15] <zyrorl> i used to get those under hardy anyway
[10:15] <zyrorl> don't think thats teh cause
[10:15] <hyperair> zyrorl<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:15] <hyperair> what's WMM?
[10:15] <fincan> any1 here with 8.10 on RAID setup?
[10:15] <hyperair> bug #267063
[10:16] <hyperair> fincan: i don't, but i've done one on hardy before. what seems to be the problem?
[10:16] <zyrorl> my router doesn't have wmm support
[10:16] <zyrorl> i dont believe
[10:16] <hyperair> zyrorl: ah yes, it's a different bug. sorry
[10:17] <nhorning> hmm, when I tried to install wicd from a chroot
[10:17] <fincan> hyperair: I have problem about dual-boot, there is no problem with ubuntu boot after grub xp selection, it is frozen
[10:17] <nhorning> it says usr/bin/dpk returned an error code (1)
[10:18] <nhorning> package failed to install...
[10:18] <zniavre> !nvidia
[10:18] <nhorning> trying to recover
[10:18] <nhorning> ok, I'm going to see if I can finish the install from the ibex gui
[10:18] <hyperair> fincan: xp? okay, dual boot i haven't tried.
[10:19] <fincan> hyperair: thx anyway
[10:19] <hyperair> fincan: you're doing RAID using mdadm right?
[10:19] <hyperair> does windows xp even support that?
[10:19] <fincan> hyperair: installed with dmraid
[10:20] <hyperair> huh dmraid? how did you configure it?
[10:20] <hyperair> well, that's the first time i've heard of dmraid
[10:20] <hyperair> i only use mdadm before
[10:21] <fincan> hyperair: it is very easy to config and install,  http://wiki.auzigog.com/My_Ubuntu_(7.10)_Installation
[10:21] <KR-data> after upgrading I get this message when trying to log on http://paste.ubuntu.com/56581/ What can I do?
[10:22] <fincan> hyperair: there was a painfully bug between linux and raid for 2 years, but finally it is over, now this boot problem is new :)
[10:22] <hyperair> what bug?
[10:23] <fincan> hyperair: after livecd boot, 1 hdd of the raid0 members goes to offline and seems as broken
[10:23] <fincan> hyperair: with 8.10 beta it is pver
[10:24] <fincan> hyperair: from 7.04 till 8.10 long period huh? :)
[10:24] <hyperair> oh well, i've never really tried with raid-1
[10:25] <hyperair> sorry
[10:25] <hyperair> i mean i've only doen with raid-1
[10:25] <hyperair> not raid-0
[10:25] <hyperair> if i wanted raid-0 i'd just use lvm
[10:25] <hyperair> much easier to configure than raid
[10:25] <zyrorl> hyperair i-m just burning a copy of ubuntu now
[10:25] <zyrorl> hardy
[10:26] <fincan> hyperair: the guide I used is so easy ,you should check it :)
[10:26] <zyrorl> i'll be putting the logs up, you be around in about 15 mins?
[10:26] <hyperair> zyrorl: i will.
[10:26] <hyperair> fincan: no, lvm is easier to manage in a long run. i looked at your guide already
[10:26] <zyrorl> thanks for your help so far btw, i appreciate it
[10:26] <hyperair> fincan: and mdadm looks to be easier to handle than dmraid
[10:27] <hyperair> fincan: either way i wouldn't touch raid on a non-server system. between data redundancy and maximizing the storage i have, i pick the latter
[10:27] <fincan> hyperair: well can I install ubuntu with mdadm easily as weel as the my used guide?
[10:28] <zyrorl> besides you can get decent enough backups using incremental backups just store them ona n external drive or nfs
[10:28] <hyperair> fincan: yes.
[10:28] <hyperair> fincan: but as usual, windows is the foreign factor
[10:28] <hyperair> you never know whether it will or will not work
[10:29] <hyperair> stupid damn thing.
[10:29] <fincan> yeah my problem is dualboot
[10:29] <hyperair> zyrorl: i don't have enough backup media for that kind of stuff.
[10:29] <fincan> and I ll try it too :)
[10:29] <zyrorl> storage is cheap and plentiful these days
[10:29] <KR-data> ok, seems that my only choise is to bugreport and downgrade
[10:29] <KR-data> how do I go back to 8.04
[10:29] <KR-data> ?
[10:29] <hyperair> zyrorl: i'm a cheapskate person.
[10:29] <zyrorl> ah
[10:29] <zyrorl> student?
[10:29] <fincan> hyperair: any other guide, or I can install it like dmraid guide?
[10:30] <hyperair> different
[10:30] <hyperair> but there are guides, yes
[10:30] <hyperair> in fact, most of the guides for RAID on linux will use mdadm
[10:30] <hyperair> however, i noticed that dmraid has support for software bios raid, whatever that is
[10:30] <hyperair> mdadm is only software raid
[10:30] <zyrorl> okay brb i'm going to chuck hardy livecd on:)
[10:30] <hyperair> zyrorl: okay
[10:33] <zyrorl> booting up now
[10:33] <zyrorl> annoyingly enough another annoying issue i get is rdesktop is a pain in thea rse now you can't go from full screen to windowed anymore
[10:35] <hyperair> i didn't know it was possible to begin with
[10:35] <zyrorl> ill log that one later
[10:35] <KR-data> anyone who knows how I switch from gdm to kdm?
[10:35] <zyrorl> yeah you go altctrl enter
[10:36] <hyperair> KR-data: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm i think
[10:36] <KR-data> doesn't work, have tried :(
[10:36] <KR-data> it gives me the menu and all that, but the change doesn't work :(
[10:38] <zyrorl> hyperair - worked perfect sec getting pastebin
[10:39] <zyrorl> http://paste.ubuntu.com/56587/
[10:39] <zyrorl> there you go
[10:39] <zyrorl> :)
[10:40] <zyrorl> as you can see on line 49 event too big comes up but its not a problem ing etting a dhcp address
[10:41] <KR-data> could someon tell me either how to go back to 8.04 or how to fix that xmodmap problem??
[10:43] <hyperair> zyrorl: lemme take al ook
[10:43] <hyperair> zyrorl: WMM is enabled on your router
[10:43] <hyperair> zyrorl: see lines 50-54
[10:43] <zyrorl> mm weird i dont think i can turn it off though
[10:44] <zyrorl> assuming i could, why would it work fine in a previous version and not on the latest
[10:45] <hyperair> zyrorl: regression.
[10:45] <hyperair> zyrorl: basically it's the same bug as i pointed out earlier
[10:45] <zyrorl> which bug sorry?
[10:45] <zyrorl> okay i've turned off wmm, found it under qos settings
[10:46] <zyrorl> do you think that'll fix the issue though?
[10:48] <hyperair> well you could always try
[10:48] <zyrorl> i'll reboot it back into intrepid see if it makes a difference
[10:48] <hyperair> nobody posted back
[10:48] <zyrorl> which bug number was the one you pointed out earlier
[10:49] <hyperair> Bug #267063
[10:55] <zyrorl> hooray
[10:55] <zyrorl> it works!
[10:55] <zyrorl> disabling wmm fixes the issue:D
[10:55] <zyrorl> even though of course that wont solve my problem on other networks that i have no control over, at least at home and in the office it'll be fine
[10:56] <zyrorl> until someone fixes it
[10:56] <hyperair> hahah
[10:56] <hyperair> =)
[10:56] <hyperair> well, go into the bug and start bugging people
[10:58] <h4wk0> bug #1
[11:01] <hyperair> lol
[11:06] <zyrorl> hyperair - posted:)
[11:06] <zyrorl> hopefully someone will be able to take it up and fix it
[11:07] <hyperair> =) yeah
[11:07] <ubuntu> my ethernet is now known as pan0 and everything is broken :(
[11:07] <zyrorl> pan0 is bluetooth
[11:09] <ubuntu> oh, it never used to show that, it says network = disabled logical name is pan0
[11:10] <zyrorl> eth0 is your ethernet
[11:10] <zyrorl> if you type ifconfig -a
[11:10] <zyrorl> does eth0 come up
[11:12] <ubuntu> i'm using cd at the moment to connect, but was using wicd to connect to internet - that broke after update and I can't connect or install anything
[11:15] <kalyan> has any one observed the way plasma is leaking memory .. i have observed from xrestop that plasma is using memory even if we hover the widget handles .. my xorg is using 400 MB of memory before restart
[11:16] <zyrorl> plasma is for kde yah/
[11:20] <kalyan> other apps are working fine except for plasma .. which is leaking like hell .. i have to restart X for every 10 hours
[11:29] <zyrorl> sweeet
[11:29] <zyrorl> worked out the issue
[11:29] <hyperair> zyrorl: what?
[11:44] <hyperair> huh wtf. evince grabs my media keys! is it supposed to do that?
[12:25] <TuX_Claudiu> hi, i have a problem, i'm unable to find my floppy device in /dev, i tried to install my grub on floppy, but i don't have any floppy in /dev how do i fix this ?
[12:35] <ibbuntu> when I click on the folders in my 'Places' menu nothing happens, apart from the 'Computer' icon. What can I do to fix this?
[12:37] <nhorning> ok
[12:37] <nhorning> I'm still trying to fix my network
[12:37] <nhorning> it pauses at "aquiring a network adress"
[12:37] <nhorning> and then doesn't connect
[12:38] <nhorning> I've installed wicd and that doesn't work either
[12:38] <nhorning> manually connecting produces...
[12:39] <nhorning> wifi0: unknown hardware address type 801
[12:39] <nhorning> wifi0: unknown hardware address type 801
[12:39] <nhorning> anybody out there?
[12:39] <Hobbsee> no
[12:39] <nhorning> dang
[12:39] <nhorning> remember me?
[12:39]  * Hobbsee suggests tryign the old method
[12:39] <Hobbsee> yes
[12:40] <nhorning> whats the old method?
[12:40] <Hobbsee> does your /etc/resolv.conf still have anything useful in it, to start with?
[12:40] <nhorning> on my ibex installation?
[12:40] <Hobbsee> yes
[12:40] <nhorning> let me see..
[12:41] <nhorning> just the nameservers I put in there
[12:42] <nhorning> when I was updateing with a chroot
[12:42] <Hobbsee> ok, good.  that counts as useful
[12:42] <Hobbsee> you're connecting a wifi card - presumably that's flashing and alive?
[12:42] <Hobbsee> or at least showing an LED?
[12:43] <nhorning> well
[12:43] <nhorning> I'm pretty sure
[12:43] <nhorning> it's internal
[12:43] <Hobbsee> fair enough
[12:43] <nhorning> but look, I can see all the available connection
[12:43] <nhorning> s
[12:43] <nhorning> both the network managers I've used have shown them to me
[12:43] <Hobbsee> oh, what encryption is it using?
[12:44] <nhorning> I'm in net cafe's
[12:44] <nhorning> I've always set it on none
[12:44] <Hobbsee> right, so it's open?
[12:44] <nhorning> yeah
[12:44] <nhorning> I don't have a net connection at home
[12:44] <nhorning> I'm in korea
[12:45] <Hobbsee> so, if you sudo killall NetworkManager, iwconfig wifi0 essid <network name>, then run sudo dhclient wifi0, does it get you an address?
[12:45] <nhorning> i haven't done that
[12:45] <Hobbsee> i figured.  try it :)
[12:45] <nhorning> oh
[12:45] <nhorning> I've done that with everything but the kill all
[12:46] <nhorning> when I try to connect manually it gives me
[12:46] <Hobbsee> nm won't let you take over the interface if it's still alive
[12:46] <nhorning> ok
[12:46] <Hobbsee> last i checked, anyway
[12:46] <nhorning> so I have to try it with sudo killa all
[12:46] <Hobbsee> yep
[12:46] <nhorning> let me show you what I typed in
[12:47] <nhorning> sudo ifconfig <interface> down
[12:47] <nhorning> sudo dhclient -r <interface>
[12:47] <nhorning> sudo ifconfig <interface> up
[12:47] <nhorning> sudo iwconfig <interface> essid "ESSID_IN_QUOTES"
[12:47] <nhorning> sudo iwconfig <interface> mode Managed
[12:47] <nhorning> sudo dhclient <interface>
[12:47] <nhorning> I put in wifi0 where it said interface
[12:47] <nhorning> I thought maybe I should also try it with wlan0
[12:48] <ibbuntu> it appears that my home folder's 'Open with...' was associated with 'alien' rather than 'Open Folder'. Why did this happen on upgrading to Intrepid?
[12:49] <Hobbsee> nhorning: iwconfig will tell you which interface it regards as the real one
[12:49] <Hobbsee> but that should be working
[12:50] <nhorning> well, it says my wireless card it's self is wlan0
[12:50] <nhorning> but when I connect through the live cd
[12:50] <nhorning> and use my network tools to look up my interfaces
[12:50] <nhorning> only wlan0 has and ip
[12:50] <nhorning> and wifi0 says "unknown device"
[12:51] <nhorning> err, unknown interface
[12:51] <Hobbsee> right, so it's rpobably wlan0
[12:52] <nhorning> ok, I'm going to try to connect manually with wlan0
[12:52] <nhorning> network tools is calling that my wireless Interface in both installations
[12:52] <nhorning> but when I do the lshw -C or whatever
[12:53] <nhorning> it says my wireless card is wifi0
[12:53] <Hobbsee> strange
[12:54] <nhorning> but in hardy it connects
[12:54] <nhorning> and in ibex it doesn't
[12:54] <nhorning> so should I try to connect manually using both the wifi0
[12:54] <nhorning> and the wlan0?
[12:56] <nhorning> ok
[12:56] <nhorning> seeing no response, I will go do that.
[13:04] <JediMaster> hey guys, I've been running intrepid since early alpha and for about the last 10 days or so I can't seem to get VLC to display any video at all, it plays mostly without any errors but just no video
[13:04] <kane77> hi, is OO.org 3.0 planned for intrepid?
[13:05] <Tm_T> kane77: backports if nothing else
[13:06] <kane77> well I just thought, gimp 2.6 appeared just recently in repositories, and OO is released monday so there's still time to make it into intrepid final
[13:06] <Tm_T> kane77: needs freeze-exception
[13:11] <JediMaster> hmm, ok fixed that issue, I tried every single video output for vlc and it didn't work, I reset the preferences and video works
[13:11] <Tm_T> awww
[13:11] <JediMaster> next thing, I've noticed all video on all players seems to "tear" as if the v-sync wasn't right
[13:12] <veloc1ty> same with me
[13:12] <JediMaster> I remember someone saying something about one of the xorg settings needed for the visual affects that was casuing it
[13:12] <veloc1ty> mplayer doesn't have the problem
[13:12] <veloc1ty> but all others.. including flash
[13:13] <JediMaster> I'm getting it on mplayer too
[13:15] <veloc1ty> mh.. i've installed it after upgrading
[13:15] <veloc1ty> maybe that's why
[13:15] <veloc1ty> but mplayer is the only player wich is working proper for me at the moment
[13:16] <JediMaster> it's all watchable, but in high action scenes they all "tear"
[13:16] <veloc1ty> jepp
[13:16] <JediMaster> got a decent graphics card too, a geforce 8800 gtx
[13:17] <alteregoa> yeah i use those things for folding@home
[13:17] <JediMaster> with the gpu version?
[13:18] <JediMaster> me too =)
[13:18] <JediMaster> not at the moment mind you
[13:19] <alteregoa> yes
[13:19] <alteregoa> just needs a bit of tricks
[13:21] <petererer> i just upgraded to intrepid from hardy. when starting up the system beeps repeatedly...
[13:22] <veloc1ty> that's the new welcome music :>
[13:23] <veloc1ty> mh no, i didn't have that.. startup works smooth and quiet
[13:31] <Stevko> I just learned, that there is already final version of OOo3 (or tomorrow will be officially). Will that be in intrepid?
[13:37] <petererer> it mentioned something about v86d not being available, so i installed that, but no difference :o
[13:38] <petererer> hmm, in fact it does it when switching to console... and the console does not appear :(
[13:39] <Nhorning> you still here hobbs?
[13:40] <Nhorning> hello?
[13:43] <Nhorning> hello?
[13:43]  * Hobbsee suggests using tab completion
[13:44] <Tm_T> awww
[13:44] <Nhorning> there you are
[13:44] <Nhorning> so yeah, it didn't connect
[13:45] <Nhorning> No DHCPOFFERS recieved
[13:46] <Hobbsee> darn
[13:47] <Nhorning> any ideas
[13:47] <d4t4min3r> anyone having any issues with firefox acting like its full screen
[13:48] <d4t4min3r> http://www.webbhawk.com/images/site/Screenshot.png
[13:48] <d4t4min3r> thats a screen shot
[13:48] <Hobbsee> Nhorning: nope.
[13:48] <Nhorning> great...
[13:48] <mroc> hi all.  having some trouble.  after friday's update, when i boot up my laptop, it boots fine, gdm comes up, but the mouse cursor is frozen.  the cursor for the text input login line blinks, but no text appears.  the keyboard works (ctrl-alt-print scrn combo for soft reboot) and when I try to switch to a  virtual terminal (ctrl-alt-f1) i get nothing but a blinking underscore cursor.  so...any ideas?
[13:48] <Hobbsee> d4t4min3r: hit f11?
[13:49] <d4t4min3r> i have its not set to full screen
[13:49] <Nhorning> would it help If I gave you the output?
[13:49] <Hobbsee> Nhorning: probably not, i've always found it's tended to work, even when i've had to do it by hand.
[13:49] <d4t4min3r> you can still see the menu
[13:49] <Hobbsee> d4t4min3r: does that happen on your other apps?
[13:50] <Nhorning> dhcpd.conf?
[13:50] <d4t4min3r> just firefox.. but its supper annoying because i cant see my other apps.. i have to hit alt+tab
[13:50] <d4t4min3r> compiz function to scroll through
[13:51] <Stevko> Looks like window manager is not running, but it would affect all apps (and alt+tab would not work)
[13:51] <AnAnt> anyone managed to use the pan0 interface ?
[13:52] <petererer> hmm, removing usplash stops the beeps
[13:52] <Hobbsee> Stevko: that's what i was thinking (although the metacity alt-tab should still work)
[13:53] <Stevko> When I stop my window manager, alt+tab does not work.
[13:53] <Nhorning> hmmm, maybe I have a 3rd party driver that got black listed in the update...
[13:57] <mps002> hi everyone, I just tried to upgrade to Intrepid, but I think some of the packages didn't download properly, and now when I start my lappy, I get to login just fine, I login and then all I have is orange background and mouse, can someone help me get this fixed?
[13:57] <veloc1ty> d4t4min3r, i had that issue with firefox
[13:57] <veloc1ty> after another update / restart it was gone
[13:57] <linny> mps002: can you login in failsafe mode /
[13:57] <d4t4min3r> veloc1ty, interesting
[13:57] <linny> ?
[13:58] <d4t4min3r> veloc1ty, im updating now maybe it will be fixed
[13:58] <mroc> trying not to be impatient.....but i can't login, use the touchpad on my laptop, or see any keyboard input....or ctrl-alt-f1 into a virtual terminal.   any ideas where to start??
[13:58] <veloc1ty> yeah hopefully :)
[13:58] <mps002> how do I do that?
[13:58] <veloc1ty> ws pretty annoying
[13:58] <mps002> linny: sorry, how do I do that
[13:58] <veloc1ty> always had to hit f11 twice to get the menus back
[13:59] <linny> mps002: from the gdm/login screen select the sessions butoon and select it see if you can login and run an update
[13:59] <Stevko> mroc: not even ctrl+alt+backspace works?
[14:00] <mroc> ctrl-alt-backspace restarts X, but it brings me to the exact same place.
[14:00] <mps002> linny: so far successful, thank you very much
[14:00] <petererer> hmm, beeping gone but still no console :o
[14:01] <mps002> linny: woops, spoke too soon, now I got the login sound and my normal background, but no file menu or anything of that sort, I'll try terminal mode
[14:01] <linny> mps002: i must admit i had numourous errors upgrading from hardy so in the end i did a fresh install of ibex and its running fine
[14:01] <linny> mps002: yea terminal will work
[14:02] <mps002> linny: just run update-manager -d?
[14:02] <linny> you allready did that right ?
[14:03] <linny> mps002:  just apt-get update ,apt-get upgrade and see what is says
[14:03] <AkariChan> is there a gui based (or frontend) program that can calculate md5sum of a file in ubuntu?
[14:03] <mps002> linny: thing is, I think I need to redownload the update files
[14:03] <Myrtti> AkariChan: sure "md5sum"
[14:03] <Myrtti> oh, frontend
[14:03] <AkariChan> frontend :)
[14:03] <linny> well it will still connect it should do you dont need gui for internets
[14:04] <Myrtti> my brain not function, having the first cuppa coffee today
[14:04] <mps002> linny: crap, it can't connect, I use a wireless connection
[14:05] <mps002> linny: when I ran update manager, it said I had six broken packages that need fixin
[14:05] <linny> hmm youll prolly need to find an ethernet cable some place
[14:05] <mroc> Stevko: any ideas where to start?
[14:05] <W8TAH> hi folks - fiddling around again -- doin an inplace upgrade of kubuntu 8.06 (kde) using the instructions online - tell it the kdesudo "adept_manager --dist_upgrade_devel" comand and the process starts and gets as far as the section on preparing for the upgrade adn then it vanishes
[14:06] <linny> mps002: did you follow is instructions to fix them ?
[14:06] <W8TAH> tried running from console  -no error messages - -it just stops without any indication of what might be wrong
[14:06] <Stevko> mroc: not really. First idea was that keybord does not work at all, but as I see it is not so.
[14:06] <mps002> linny: yeah, I tried, but it didn't work
[14:07] <Stevko> AkariChan: I believe that some file manager (maybe krusader) can do it.
[14:07] <mroc> Stevko: keyboard shows no input, but it does function.  i don't really have a place to start.  i've run the update through the recovery kernel boot option but no fix.
[14:08] <wtgee> Hello...anyone know how to turn off the touchpad while typing?
[14:10] <mps002> wait, now I'm not sure how to fix the broken packages, do I need to download anything, or shouldn't they be archived? I haven't apt-get cleaned in a long time
[14:10] <wgrant> wtgee: Aha, excellent. Another willing victim. Wait a sec while I pull up some links.
[14:10] <nhorning> Fixed!
[14:10] <nhorning> It's a bug
[14:10] <nhorning> a kernal bug
[14:11] <wtgee> wgrant: I guess that's a good thing.... :)
[14:11] <nhorning> I had to boot with the old kernal
[14:11] <wgrant> nhorning: The wireless stuff?
[14:11] <nhorning> yeah
[14:11] <nhorning> I guess I can reinstall network manager now
[14:12] <nhorning> I found it in the forums when I looked up
[14:12] <wgrant> nhorning: I'll triage the bug appropriately.
[14:12] <nhorning> thankyou
[14:12] <AkariChan> ah ok thanks
[14:13] <mroc> anyone else have input?  frozen mouse cursor, no text input, keyboard functional, can't login, no virtual terminal with ctrl-alt-f1
[14:13] <wgrant> wtgee: Hmm, I just realised that my solution is probably broken as of Friday night. I'll fix it now.
[14:13] <wtgee> wgrant: No worries, just let me know and I can test.
[14:14] <nhorning> I looked it up under  "No DHCPOFFERS" recieved
[14:14] <nhorning> apparently it doesn't effect static IP's or incripted networks
[14:14] <nhorning> only open networks
[14:17] <wgrant> wtgee: You're not using amd64, I hope?
[14:17] <nhorning> dang
[14:17] <W8TAH> can someone point me to the download location for alternate CD's for 8.10 beta?
[14:18] <nhorning> now my sound doesn't work
[14:18] <mroc> found an error message - (EE)  RADEONHD(0) returned 12 Gray levels.  can i force a different driver to see if this fixes the freezing issue? ati x1270
[14:18] <nhorning> is that an easy issue with pulse?
[14:18] <wgrant> mroc: Remove xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd
[14:18] <mroc> wgrant: ok.  anything else go along with that step
[14:19] <W8TAH> nm - found it
[14:19] <wgrant> mroc: Reboot
[14:20] <mps002> linny: well, thanks for the help, I think I'm just gonna dl the Ibex CD and install again :S
[14:21] <linny> mps002: im sorry i couldnt help you more mate
[14:22] <linny> mps002:  and thats what i did and it worked much better
[14:24] <bpat1182> I'm trying to install 8.10 on my AMD 64 desktop, and when it finishes, (1) it spits out the CD but then immediately pulls it back in and locks the drive so I have to manually retrieve it (i.e. with a paperclip) and (2) it boots up to a point where it says "GRUB _" and the underscore blinks.... how can I fix it?
[14:28] <wgrant> wtgee: Grab and install http://people.ubuntuwire.com/~fujitsu/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics_0.15.2-0ubuntu4+wgrant1_i386.deb. Although it's a new driver, it's only one of the included executables that has been altered.
[14:29] <wgrant> wtgee: You can then follow https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad#syndaemon
[14:29] <wgrant> wtgee: Except due to the changes in that package, you don't need to hack around and enable SHMConfig.
[14:29] <wtgee> wgrant: I should have mentioned I'm on 64bit, can I still use that driver?
[14:30] <wgrant> wtgee: There's a bug in some client->server X interactions we're trying to sort out that break this on amd64, unfortunately.
[14:30] <wgrant> We'll hopefully have a fix within a few days, but it's proving rather hard to pin down.
[14:31] <leachim6> hey
[14:31] <andresmh> any idea what's wrong with this command?  deb http://deb.opera.com/opera/ stable non-free
[14:31] <andresmh> i get deb: command not found
[14:31] <leachim6> if I download the intrepid beta, can I upgrade to the official release later ?
[14:31] <jrib> !final | leachim6
[14:31] <jrib> :)
[14:31] <leachim6> deb is not a command
[14:31] <wtgee> wgrant: So I shouldn't  try this, correct?
[14:31] <leachim6> awesome
[14:32] <wgrant> jrib: How the heck did you do that in less than a second?
[14:32] <jrib> wgrant: he asked in #ubuntu and I told him to come here
[14:32] <wgrant> wtgee: Correct, sorry.
[14:32] <wgrant> jrib: Ah. That helps.
[14:32] <bpat1182> I'm trying to install 8.10 on my AMD 64 desktop, and when it finishes, (1) it spits out the CD but then immediately pulls it back in and locks the drive so I have to manually retrieve it (i.e. with a paperclip) and (2) it boots up to a point where it says "GRUB _" and the underscore blinks.... how can I fix it?
[14:32] <jrib> I mean, I'm telepathic
[14:32] <wtgee> wgrant: No problem...I will ping you in a day or so to check back.  Thanks.
[14:34] <edgy> Hi, I am using kubuntu and when I log I need to put the password twice to connect to my wireless network. do you know of this problem?
[14:35] <leachim6> wgrant, he is just that amazing
[14:35] <leachim6> did you guys know that rhythmbox can read itunes podcast urls ?
[14:36] <leachim6> for instance itpc://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=115594899
[14:36] <jrib> wgrant: I did have a ubottu factoid completion on irssi at one point though
[14:37] <petererer> hmm, my second screen does not work :(
[14:38] <petererer> pops up a blank window with the title 'Error'
[14:38] <wgrant> petererer: Which graphics card?
[14:39] <leachim6> jrib, wow, that often huh...
[14:39] <petererer> nvidia
[14:39] <leachim6> easier than answering the same question 50 bagillion times though
[14:39] <petererer> hmm, it's gnome-panel that's not working
[14:39] <petererer> or rather, just the launchers on the panel
[14:40] <petererer> the menu works, launchers don't
[14:40] <petererer> once the 'error' window has appeared, no gnome-panel responds
[14:40] <petererer> ah... 100% cpu :o
[14:41] <andresmh> i just installed 8.10 on a thinkpad x300, how can start to try to figure out why is it that the mic doesn't work?
[14:42] <mroc> wgrant: thanks for the help.  removing xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd did get rid of that error but it didn't solve the larger problem of my mouse cursor being frozen and gdm not displaying any typed characters  (and thus i still cannot login).  with the 2.6.24- kernel that's still in the grub list i can get to a virtual terminal but no further with the graphical system.   any help?
[14:42] <wgrant> mroc: Ensure that you have xserver-xorg-input-all installed.
[14:45] <andresmh> what should I select: HDA Intel (ALSA mixer),  Analog Devices AD1984A (OSS Mixer)?
[14:45] <wgrant> andresmh: The former.
[14:45] <mroc> wgrant: just checked...it wasn't.  that seems odd....would the cleanup from the partial upgrade updating have removed that package?  because friday's update is what caused this issue and it prompted for a partial upgrade during update
[14:45] <andresmh> what's the difference wgrant
[14:45] <andresmh> ?
[14:45] <zx80user> is there a guide anywhere to getting an nvidia card to work on intrepid? I can only use the free software driver at the moment, which is fine for most things, but not games :(
[14:45] <wgrant> mroc: That's it. Those uploads of mine tripped up so many users. I'm quite pleased.
[14:46] <mroc> wgrant: haha - well that seems to have fixed the problem for me.  thank you so much for your help.
[14:46] <wgrant> mroc: We needed to break ABI without a proper ABI bump... so we needed some crafty Conflicts, Breaks and Depends, which would have had apt-get confused for about 3 hours.
[14:46] <wgrant> This is why one should always check what is going to be removed.
[14:46] <wgrant> np
[14:46] <shingoki> My eee has stopped using intel drivers (I think) - compiz is not on, and gl/2D performance is terrible
[14:47] <shingoki> any idea how to check/turn it back on?
[14:47] <wgrant> shingoki: pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[14:47] <Stevko> zx80user: same "problem" here
[14:47] <andresmh> i'm trying to get the mic to work. I remember when installing a previous 8.10 alpha skype worked at first try but I am now using the latest 8.10 and I can't seem to make it work
[14:47] <wgrant> zx80user: How old is your card?
[14:48] <Stevko> wgrant: I have same problem and my card is quite old
[14:48] <andresmh> the soundin options in skype are HDA Intel, hdmi, headset and pulse
[14:48] <shingoki> hm actually there is lots of stuff about "(II) intel(0): I2C" on the end of it
[14:48] <zx80user> wgrant a few years
[14:48] <andresmh> HDA intel has two options actually: hw:intel0 and plug,hw:intel,i
[14:48] <shingoki> underrun on pipe B
[14:48] <wgrant> Stevko, zx80user: Only the newer two of the four nvidia drivers work with the new X server. nvidia are being very, very slow to update.
[14:48] <wgrant> andresmh: Try Pulse.
[14:49] <wgrant> shingoki: That's not abnormal.
[14:49] <zx80user> ah thanks wgrant, just have to wait then :(
[14:49] <wgrant> zx80user: Welcome to the magic of proprietary software.
[14:49] <shingoki> Nothing that looks like a huge error, but it is quite big, I'll paste it in a sec
[14:49] <Stevko> wgrant: and do you know about some card that does not have these problems?
[14:50] <shingoki> Ibex still doesn't let me actually output to a second monitor though, which was about the only thing that didn't work perfectly in hardy ;)
[14:50] <andresmh> pulse didn't work wgrant :(
[14:50] <wgrant> Stevko: Intel or newer nvidia.
[14:51] <wgrant> andresmh: No idea. Skype is strange.
[14:51] <andresmh> what's a better way to test my mic?
[14:52] <andresmh> i tried the soundrecorder and it didn't seem to work either wgrant
[14:52] <wgrant> andresmh: Applications->Sound & Video->Sound Recorder.
[14:52] <wgrant> Hmm, damn.
[14:52] <wgrant> Looks like you should file a bug.
[14:52] <zx80user> wgrant I thought we had hopes of a fully free nvidia driver RSN
[14:52] <Stevko> I had problems with recording anything from mic - until I removed pulseaudio
[14:52] <shingoki> http://pastebin.com/m69cf8a2f
[14:52] <andresmh> very strange. i was so excited when i tried the livecd of the previous alpha and soundin had worked out of the box
[14:53] <wgrant> zx80user: It's coming... but it's a lot of work.
[14:54] <zx80user> wgrant, I can imagine
[14:54] <andresmh> on the other hand with this latest release now my Verizon WWAN modem works out of the box :)
[14:55] <wgrant> shingoki: "#
[14:55] <wgrant> (EE) intel(0): Cannot support DRI with frame buffer width > 2048."
[14:55] <andresmh> how do I check what ALSA driver I'm using?
[14:55] <shingoki> wgrant:  ah this is the stupid virtual thing it set, isn't it?
[14:55] <wgrant> shingoki: It is.
[14:55] <andresmh> I found a blog entry reporting this about the thinkpad x300:
[14:55] <andresmh> Getting sound working was the trickiest part. The 2.6.24 ALSA driver does not support the sound chip. I removed the old sound modules, and then downloaded a recent alsa-driver snapshot.
[14:56] <orbish1> hello everyone
[14:56] <wgrant> shingoki: I think it might be able to be worked around with DRI2, but I really don't remember. Until then, you'll have to live with either a big Virtual, or DRI.
[14:56] <shingoki> wgrant: What's the nice way to get rid of it? It must have done it when I tried to get 1920x1200 on external monitor ;)
[14:56] <wgrant> shingoki: Open up /etc/X11/xorg.conf, remove the line.
[14:56] <shingoki> cool
[14:57] <Stevko> I have this error: "[    2.014411] uvesafb: Getting VBE info block failed (eax=0x4f00, err=-3)". Can I get rid of that (I would not mind removing that uvesafb thing completely)
[14:57] <shingoki> wgrant: Just the "Virtual" line, or the whole Display Subsection?
[14:57] <orbish> i have a question that will help me and a few other people out
[14:58] <andresmh> wgrant: is ALSA driver being used for Audio IN as well as OUT?
[14:58] <wgrant> andresmh: Yes.
[14:58] <orbish> i use a kvm switch, it blocks EFID data, so Xorg doesn't play nice with it, is there a way to "freeze" a successful xorg config?
[14:58] <wgrant> shingoki: If the Display subsection has nothing else in it, kill it.
[14:58]  * wgrant heads to bed.
[14:58] <andresmh> wgrant: and where do I find out what version of ALSA driver i have?
[14:59] <shingoki> wgrant: Thanks for the help :)
[14:59] <wgrant> shingoki: np
[14:59] <wgrant> andresmh: I'm too tired to think about that. You'll have to ask someone else.
[14:59] <wgrant> Night all.
[14:59] <shingoki> night
[14:59] <andresmh> wgrant: thanks. good night!
[15:00] <shingoki> wgrant: That fixed it by the way :)
[15:00] <wgrant> shingoki: Excellent.
[15:08] <teoti> Quick most likely easy question
[15:08] <teoti> How do I install a .ttf font here on izzy?
[15:09] <teoti> ibex*
[15:09] <teoti> :P
[15:09] <orbish> haha umm lemme look around
[15:10] <teoti> after googling I found this, http://www.wikihow.com/Install-True-Type-Fonts-on-Ubuntu but none of the mentioned directories existed
[15:10] <teoti> I'm thinking they were moved and locate can't seem to locate them :P
[15:11] <orbish> of all the help i've given out the past two days, i'm stumped on fonts, typical
[15:11] <orbish> lemme look around
[15:11] <Myrtti> teoti: mkdir ~/.fonts
[15:12] <Myrtti> copy all the fonts you've downloaded there
[15:12] <Myrtti> ught
[15:12] <Myrtti> that wikihow is *SO* *WRONG*
[15:12] <Myrtti> hrhhhrhrhrhrhrhr
[15:12] <Stevko> I found package: fontmatrix - featureful personal font manager
[15:13] <teoti> hehe myrtti i figured -.-
[15:14] <Myrtti> basically having the fonts in .fonts should be enough, though you should update the font cache.
[15:15] <orbish> any developers on?
[15:15] <teoti> cool
[15:25] <andresmh> any tips on how to go about getting my mic work on  Intrepid?
[15:25] <andresmh> at some point i had tried a livecd and mic had worked out of the box
[15:25] <teoti> hmm made fonts dir, cleared fonts cache reopened gimp, still no new font :(
[15:25] <h4wk0> Right my desktop seems to be stable on 8.1
[15:25] <h4wk0> Lets get my laptop on there :D
[15:27] <andresmh> now i installed the latest intrepid and my mic is not working
[15:27] <andresmh> i have an intel 82801H audio card
[15:27] <andresmh> sound output works fine
[15:29] <Omar87> Hi, I just installed Ubuntu 8.10 into my laptop, but unfortunately it didn't recognise eth0.
[15:30] <Omar87> I'm using my other machine now, which also has Kubuntu 8.10 on it, but it's woking perfectly and has recognised Eth0.
[15:30] <Omar87> Any help please??
[15:30] <void^> intel ethernet device?
[15:31] <Omar87> void^:, I guess, I'm not sure.
[15:32] <void^> if you installed the beta instead of a daily build it probably has the e1000e driver blacklisted
[15:33] <Omar87> void^: But when I tried to check the ifconfig from an older version of Kubuntu, the eth0 was recognised and everything was okay.
[15:35] <Omar87> void^: Or did they disable the e1000e?
[15:35] <void^> they did.
[15:35] <Omar87> void^: Uh-huh, that explains everything..
[15:35] <void^> i suggest you find some other way to update, such as wireless or a pcmcia nic.
[15:36] <Omar87> void^: Well, I'll see what I can do.
[15:37] <Omar87> void^: Can I download the updates from the repository into my other machine and transfer them to the old one?
[15:38] <Omar87> void^: Is that possible?
[15:47] <Omar87> !flood | sysdoc
[15:48] <r00twayne> Wonder if anybody here has any ideas. I am running ubuntu intrepid, connection is wireless broadcom  b43 driver, though i am  experiecing very slow speeds, latency
[15:49] <veloc1ty> what's the rate @ iwconfig?
[15:50] <r00twayne> 1mb
[15:51] <veloc1ty> mh then you should increase it
[15:51] <r00twayne> tried nothing happens
[15:51] <veloc1ty> or is the signal quality bad?
[15:51] <veloc1ty> i have the same broadcom thingy and it works well
[15:51] <r00twayne> signal good its on the other side of the room
[15:52] <veloc1ty> how did you increase the rate?
[15:52] <r00twayne> iwconfig wlan0 rate 11M
[15:53] <veloc1ty> with sudo?
[15:53] <veloc1ty> :s
[15:53] <veloc1ty> sudo iwconfig eth1 rate 24M
[15:53] <veloc1ty> that works for me
[15:53] <void^> try adding fixed
[15:53] <r00twayne> yeahaa  it works,  but i still get packet loss
[15:54] <veloc1ty> mh...
[15:54] <veloc1ty> are you running any applications like bittorrent etc?
[15:54] <veloc1ty> are you a pirate? oO
[15:54] <veloc1ty> :p
[15:55] <omar> void^: Do you recommend I install Hardy Heron now, until Ibex comes out?
[15:55] <r00twayne> like bad packet loss
[15:55] <r00twayne> nope
[15:55] <r00twayne>  fresh install of intrepid
[15:56] <r00twayne> $ ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:56] <r00twayne> PING <IP_ADDRESS> (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data.
[15:56] <r00twayne> 64 bytes from <IP_ADDRESS>: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=36.9 ms
[15:56] <r00twayne> ^C
[15:56] <r00twayne> --- <IP_ADDRESS> ping statistics ---
[15:56] <r00twayne> 3 packets transmitted, 1 received, 66% packet loss, time 2018ms
[15:56] <r00twayne> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 36.904/36.904/36.904/0.000 ms
[15:56] <veloc1ty> wow :s
[15:56] <orbish> haha that's disgusting
[15:56] <r00twayne> ya
[15:56] <veloc1ty> i have that when my microwave is turned on
[15:56] <veloc1ty> is your microwave turned on?
[15:56] <veloc1ty> :F
[15:56] <orbish> or an MRI machine in your house?
[15:57] <r00twayne> works fine with i boot into windows :-S
[15:57] <veloc1ty> shit :D
[15:57] <r00twayne> ya what i said
[15:57] <r00twayne> im outta ideas
[15:57] <veloc1ty> i guess it worked with hardy?
[15:58] <r00twayne> dunno didn't try  oh i am running 64bit version, maybe thats the problem?
[15:59] <veloc1ty> i'm on i368.. and it works well
[15:59] <veloc1ty> sorry, no idea :)
[15:59] <r00twayne> ok i'll give tht i try i guess  what version of broadcom do you have?
[15:59] <orbish> i use wires, otherwise i'd try to help
[16:00] <orbish> anyone good with xorg in here?
[16:01] <omar> Guys, I don't know what to do with my connection, the problem is that e1000e is disabled and therefore I won't be able to connect using eth0.
[16:01] <tab_shift> orbish: what wrong with X ?
[16:01] <sysdoc> orbish, just ask your question
[16:02] <DanaG> e1000e has been fixed in the latest daily builds, and in the latest kernel packages.
[16:02] <orbish> ok i have a kvm switch
[16:02] <omar> DanaG: So it's not disabled now?
[16:02] <orbish> which is blocking EFID settings from reaching videocard/xorg
[16:03] <tab_shift> btw in intrepid pcre.so.0 symlink is missing
[16:03] <orbish> when i use my kvm, resolutions go wacky, when i plug it in directy, prefection
[16:03] <neo14515> hello everybody
[16:03] <orbish> i want to keep my perfect settings, and "freeze" them so i can resume using kvm switch
[16:03] <omar> neo14515: hello.
[16:03] <neo14515> I have display touble since I've upgrade my kubuntu to Intrepid
[16:03] <DanaG> e1000e is not disabled anymore; correct.
[16:03] <mps002> I'm trying to install from the CD, but even in safe-graphics mode, all I get is weird whitish output on the screen
[16:04] <neo14515> every 10 sec I have my display whch start blinking
[16:04] <neo14515> did anyone expience the same trouble ?
[16:04] <DanaG> You can use one computer to download the new kernel packages (needs linux-image-2.6.27-X-generic, where X is ... lemme' check...)
[16:04] <DanaG> Linux GLaDOS 2.6.27-7-generic #1 SMP Fri Oct 10 03:55:24 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[16:05] <DanaG> aah, latest is 7.  You'll need the related linux-image, linux-headers, and linux-restricted-modules packages.
[16:05] <omar> DanaG: So, how do you suggest I update? Is it possible to download the upate packages from the repository from another machine and then tranferring them to my laptop?
[16:05] <neo14515> any idea for the display issue ?
[16:05] <DanaG> Yup.  You can just browse the repo manually.
[16:05] <tab_shift> orbish: email this issue to this emailid<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:05] <mps002> and ctl+alt+backspace does nothing to fix the problem
[16:05] <DanaG> Then put the .deb files on a flash drive, or such.
[16:06] <veloc1ty> r00twayne, i have
[16:06] <veloc1ty> 03:03.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11g
[16:06] <orbish> thank you tab
[16:06] <neo14515> no ctrl+backspace don't change anything
[16:06] <omar> DanaG: Great, can you give me a link, please?
[16:07] <DanaG> Sure.
[16:07] <neo14515> I thought it was a bug caused by the advanced desktop feature but even when I disable them the proble is still here
[16:07] <neo14515> I don't think it's a pb related to xorg
[16:07] <neo14515> because everything was working fine under hardy
[16:07] <mps002> hey, can anyone help me, I'm having some major installation issues, I can't even get the livecd to startup, checked for defects and it says nothing is wrong with it
[16:08] <wtgee> mps002: Did you check the md5sum?
[16:08] <neo14515> did you burn the cd in low speed ?
[16:08] <omar> DanaG: r u there?
[16:09] <DanaG> omar: 32-bit, or 64-bit?
[16:09] <mps002> yeah, the problem is that I get all whitish output on the screen, I can hear the login sound play, but all I see is white
[16:09] <DanaG> I'm digging it up.
[16:09] <omar> DanaG: 32-bit.
[16:10] <DanaG> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-meta/linux-image-generic_<IP_ADDRESS>.8_i386.deb
[16:10] <DanaG> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-meta/linux-headers-generic_<IP_ADDRESS>.8_i386.deb
[16:10] <tab_shift> mps002: can you switch to console VT via ctrl+alt+F2
[16:10] <orbish> how can i find my xorg release information
[16:11] <mps002> tab_shift: nope
[16:11] <tab_shift> orbish: go to system>administration>system logs
[16:11] <mps002> tab_shift: but let me try again because it seemed to have frozen
[16:11] <neo14515> Any idea for the display issue ?
[16:11] <orbish> ty
[16:11] <wtgee> mps002: Try this...and you won't be able to see anything....Alt-F2 and then "metacity --replace"
[16:11] <DanaG> There may not be a restricted-modules package for that kernel version, but it should get you to boot and have ethernet, so you can upgrade the rest through console or through safe-mode Xorg.
[16:12] <mps002> wtgee: ok, hang on
[16:13] <mps002> maaaaan it takes long to boot from livecd
[16:14] <wtgee> mps002: If is going slow once you are up, wait a second or two after Alt-F2 just to be sure the dialog box has popped up...again, you won't see it
[16:15] <mps002> wtgee: I haven't noticed that's done anything, except that a new sound played
[16:15] <k5ehx> new ubuntu beta desn't recognize my DVD player, USB ATA bridge is 0x05ab 0x0060. lsusb shows the bridge, but the DVD is not detected.
[16:15] <mps002> so I think it might have done something strange
[16:15] <linny> any one had vlc problems in ibex ? i get a black screen with sound for the first few minutes of any video ?
[16:16] <wtgee> mps002: You gave it time to login and all that?  It probably won't work the exact second after you log in
[16:16] <mps002> wtgee: yeah, I gave it a little while
[16:16] <neo14515> for the vlc issue try to check what is you video rendering module
[16:17] <neo14515> you should put xv I think if you are using desktop effect
[16:17] <mps002> wtgee: is there any way I can just get it installed without having to download the alternate CD?
[16:17] <linny> neo14515: how would one do that ? in the past vlc has "just worked" thats the good thing avout it imo
[16:18] <wtgee> mps002: You should be able to select an alternate install right upon booting the cd, at the same place you checked the cd for defects
[16:18] <DanaG> mplayer > vlc
[16:18] <mps002> wtgee: tried to use update manager to upgrade, it bonked my lappy, downloaded the CD, and it won't even start properly, just getting really frustrated with the whole thing
[16:18] <k5ehx> what should I check after lsusb to see whether a DVD is detected? Does it create a device somewhere?
[16:18] <neo14515> for the display did anyone have an idea of where I can look to diagnose the pb ?
[16:18] <mps002> wtgee: I'll check
[16:19] <k5ehx> neo14515: pb?
[16:19] <wtgee> mps002: It won't be the graphical installer though...I think that option is there on the beta cd.  anyone know if it is for sure?
[16:19] <mps002> wtgee: I'm not seeing it, unless you mean the OEM install option?
[16:20] <neo14515> pb=problem
[16:20] <k5ehx> neo14515: tools | preferences | video | output <- is that what you're looking for?
[16:20] <neo14515> no for me it's a display problem related to kde4 not vlc
[16:20] <mps002> wtgee: er, mode
[16:21] <wtgee> mps002: No, not the OEM.  What CD did yo download, the beta?
[16:21] <neo14515> it's linny who have troubles with vlc
[16:21] <mps002> wtgee: yeah, the amd64 desktop iso
[16:21] <k5ehx> my mistake, neo14515 :-)
[16:21] <neo14515> no problem
[16:21] <k5ehx> linny: tools | preferences | video | output <- is that what you're looking for?
[16:22] <neo14515> and for kde4 any idea of how to diagnose a display issue ?
[16:22] <wtgee> mps002: And there is no Ctrl-Alt-F1 either once you are in?
[16:22] <linny> k5ehx: thank atm its set to default what should it be ?
[16:22] <mps002> jesus, why does this happen EVERY time with Ubuntu, half the time it starts up all crappy white lines and whatnot, and then just BAM, no explanation, it works suddenly
[16:22] <mps002> I am truly stupified
[16:23] <mps002> you can't install it and pass a sanity test, the two are mutually exclusive /rantoff/
[16:23] <k5ehx> linny: I guess you didn't stick silverware into lightsockets as a four year old like I did then? :-)
[16:24] <k5ehx> linny: mine is set to xvideo
[16:24] <wtgee> mps002: What is the laptop/vid card?
[16:24] <omar__> DanaG: Can you please give me the links again? I lost them.
[16:24] <mps002> wtgee: don't worry about it, it appears to have resolved it self miraculously, thanks for the help though :P
[16:24] <DanaG> oh
[16:24] <DanaG> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-meta/linux-image-generic_<IP_ADDRESS>.8_i386.deb
[16:24] <DanaG> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-meta/linux-headers-generic_<IP_ADDRESS>.8_i386.deb
[16:24] <wtgee> mps002: haha...no problem.
[16:24] <mps002> wtgee: presario v3000, nfore GO! 6150
[16:24] <linny>  k5ehx: thanks
[16:24] <omar__> DanaG: how do I install them?
[16:25] <mps002> a true problem child of the digital world
[16:25] <DanaG> You can hopefully just boot the system, and double-click the files.
[16:25] <mps002> by the by, totally dig the new default background
[16:25] <Nece228> does gnome 2.24 have improved gedit startup time?
[16:25] <batti5> i need help, x wonth detect my monitor resolution
[16:25] <DanaG> Though if you're on nvidia, you may have to switch to a console (ctrl-alt-f1) and sudo dpkg -i <path to deb file>
[16:26] <Nece228> and does gnome 2.24 has improved performance of evince, picture viewer?
[16:26] <batti5> its an intel 810/15 with a compaq 7500 monitor
[16:27] <omar__> DanaG: no, not an Nvidia, but when I double-click them it says that either I'm not allowed to open them, or that they are corrupted.
[16:27] <DanaG> Odd.
[16:28] <omar__> DanaG: would the terminal be the solution?
[16:28] <DanaG> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-meta/
[16:28] <DanaG> You could try a different version.
[16:29] <DanaG> Oh wait, they don't keep old versions around.  Grr.
[16:29] <DanaG> Perhaps the download got corrupted?
[16:29] <orbish> god flash is so buggy
[16:29] <batti5> my computer detects 1024x768 max i have over 1280x1024
[16:30] <DanaG> omar__: try downloading with wget instead of with firefox.  wget is a console app.  Even more handy is wget -C   -- to continue downloads that get interrupted.
[16:30] <orbish> one sec batti
[16:31] <batti5> i tryed "read-edid" it gives me 1024x768 max, its not true!
[16:32] <batti5> a reported i bug, at lauchpad about it
[16:33] <batti5> maybe its the monitor?
[16:33] <orbish> could be giving faulty edid data
[16:33] <orbish> have i showed you this link already? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/194760
[16:35] <batti5> it would be easy if the computer ask my wath your monitor type.
[16:35] <neo14515> finally I've solved the problem my self
[16:36] <orbish> what was it neo
[16:36] <neo14515> if you have trouble with the display and a blinking screen every 10 sec you have to turn off the randr service
[16:36] <mps002> what is randr service?
[16:37] <neo14515> it's a service that detect your screen resolution
[16:37] <orbish> oh really?
[16:37] <mps002> intriguing, hoping I don't have to deal with that
[16:37] <orbish> that might fix my problem too, thanks
[16:38] <neo14515> you welcome
[16:38] <orbish> where'd you find it?
[16:38] <mps002> I wonder if it's meant to be spoken like r-and-r :P
[16:38] <neo14515> you go to system setting
[16:38] <neo14515> than advanced
[16:39] <neo14515> go to service manager
[16:39] <neo14515> and just stop randr
[16:39] <orbish> hmm
[16:39] <orbish> you  using kubuntu?
[16:39] <neo14515> yes
[16:39] <neo14515> if you are using ubuntu
[16:39] <orbish> hmmm
[16:39] <omar__> DanaG: okay, they are good now, but it says there are some unsatisfiable dependencies,
[16:40] <neo14515> you have to go to system administratin than services I think
[16:40] <orbish> services settings, no randr
[16:40] <orbish> i need to turn that off though, that's for sure
[16:41] <neo14515> you might check trough console also
[16:41] <orbish> searching now
[16:41] <neo14515> I think they're a comand line that can help you disable services
[16:42] <batti5> i trundit off, now i can manually set it?
[16:43] <batti5> can you set res trough the konsole?
[16:45] <neo14515> orbish> I found something for handeling service through console
[16:45] <batti5> and?
[16:45] <orbish> link?
[16:46] <neo14515> it's in french, you don't mind ?
[16:47] <neo14515> http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/systeme/services
[16:47] <orbish> i can't speak it, but i'll look at it
[16:47] <neo14515> you'll see it's pretty easy all the command line are given
[16:47] <neo14515> If you need more help just ask
[16:48] <orbish>   bah
[16:48] <batti5> http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fdoc.ubuntu-fr.org%2Fsysteme%2Fservices&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=fr&tl=en
[16:49] <orbish> randr doesn't appear to be in rc.d or whatever
[16:49] <mps002> wow, that has to be one of the fastest installs I've ever done
[16:50] <neo14515> have you tried that : sudo apt-get install sysv-rc-conf
[16:50] <neo14515> and then : sudo sysv-rc-conf --list
[16:50] <orbish> no randr
[16:51] <orbish> linux gods hate me!
[16:51] <orbish> that would have made sense with my problem, i'm trying to stop the autoconfigure or my monitor
[16:51] <batti5> no randr for me to
[16:52] <orbish> i'm going through gconf
[16:52] <neo14515> what kind of trouble do you have orbish ?
[16:52] <orbish> i have a KVM switch, the EFID data doesn't get tranferred through it
[16:52] <orbish> so i ahve to hook my monitor up directly to get my resolutions
[16:52] <orbish> i'm trying to "freeze" a working set up
[16:53] <batti5> my monitor is connected directly to vid card
[16:53] <neo14515> sorry but what is a kvm switch and EFID ?
[16:53] <orbish> batti5 is having problems along the same lines, his efid is returning low resolutions
[16:53] <orbish> KVM switch allows you to connect multiple computers up to a single monitor, keyboard, mouse
[16:53] <s0u][ight> hi guys
[16:54] <W8TAH> im having problems getting the network manager to give me a static ip
[16:54] <W8TAH> on kubuntu beta
[16:54] <orbish> EFID data is on your monitor, xorg reads it and sets up your config automatically now, rather than using xorg.conf
[16:54] <batti5> now wath?