[06:13] <jasoncohen> stevenj, a) did you run with sudo - "sudo apt-get update", b) do you have synaptic open, c) are you using apt-get at the moment?
[06:13] <BTJustice> Is there a network status icon that can be displayed by the clcok to show IP address, speed, and such?  If so, how?
[06:13] <arbir> thanks jasoncohen i am getting it via apt ... this is so easy to use this distro is :-)
[06:14] <MagicFab> skalpel: not sure if this can lead you somewhere... but here: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=50054
[06:14] <bob2> levander: oh, for my laptop, yeah
[06:14] <skalpel> bob2: can you help me with installing a program from shell script?
[06:14] <stevenj> jasoncohen, I had synaptic open...err opps
[06:14] <bob2> skalpel: not unless you're a jillion times more specific
[06:15] <bob2> levander: not even hacked together, it's just a one line rsync all that's in my shell history
[06:15] <levander> bob2: ah, yeah, i see.  That's really one of the few reasons I *really* want udftools.  So that I can backup with rsync and hard links.  Wouldn't have to change my dvd-rw for months and would have a full backup nightly...
[06:15] <jasoncohen> !tell arbir about multimedia
[06:15] <jasoncohen> arbir, now install more stuff ;)
[06:15] <bob2> levander: the udf format supports hardlinks?
[06:16] <levander> bob2: I would assume.  I haven't checked because I can't even get it working.  I'll go see if I can find out now.  I think I saw a reference somewhere that it did.
[06:17] <bob2> I'd be pretty surprised if it did
[06:17] <arbir> awesine jasoncohen
[06:17] <arbir> *awesome*
[06:17] <BTJustice> Is there a network status icon that can be displayed by the clcok to show IP address, speed, and such?  If so, how?
[06:17] <arbir> where is the kdm config file... i can only see the gdm config file under /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf
[06:18] <stevenj> cool now firefox is now taken out of the "official" bp thanks for the help :) :)
[06:18] <jasoncohen> BTJustice, yes
[06:18] <levander> bob2: still looking, but I know iso9660 with Rock Ridge supports soft links...
[06:18] <bob2> BTJustice: asking over and over is kinda annoying
[06:18] <jasoncohen> BTJustice, right click an empty space on the top panel, choose add to panel and then choose "Network Monitor"
[06:18] <bob2> BTJustice: did you look at the applets you already have?
[06:19] <levander> BTJustice: you tried #gnome?
[06:19] <jasoncohen> click on the network monitor to get ip/gateway/subnet and activity info
[06:19] <nate__> hello
[06:20] <skalpel> bob2: the usual way to install a program in linux uiis to use the 'install' shell script, correct?
[06:20] <jasoncohen> BTJustice, it will show signal strength on the panel for wireless
[06:20] <jasoncohen> quite nice
[06:20] <arbir> got it :-) i found it
[06:20] <bob2> skalpel: no, not at all
[06:20] <arbir> man..... now i am finding this channel inspiring
[06:20] <bob2> skalpel: again, you're being annoyingly vague
[06:20] <jasoncohen> skalpel, in ubuntu- the usual way is to use apt-get or syanaptic (or aptitude) to install the .deb package from ubuntu's servers
[06:20] <bob2> skalpel: if you're trying to install something in particulr, say so
[06:20] <arbir> is going down to his basement to check on his server
[06:21] <bob2> skalpel: the general method is "sudo aptitude install blah"
[06:21] <jasoncohen> skalpel, for a new user- you'll want to use synaptic which is a graphical program to install/remove/upgrade packages
[06:21] <skalpel> bob2: console tools o.2.3
[06:21] <jasoncohen> very simple to use
[06:21] <skalpel> jasoncohen: i can use synaptic, but this does not have a package, at least i do not think so
[06:21] <nickrud> BTJustice, I use the netspeed package, I think it will give you the data you are looking for
[06:21] <skalpel> i am curious about installing programs that are NOT in synaptic
[06:21] <jasoncohen> skalpel, what package?
[06:21] <bob2> skalpel: it's priority: important, so you almost certainly already have it
[06:21] <jasoncohen> skalpel, you probably just need to enable universe or multiverse
[06:21] <bob2> skalpel: also, do not install critical things like console-tools from source, unless you really do know what you're doing
[06:22] <jasoncohen> um, console-tools is in main
[06:22] <bob2> skalpel: the optimal solution depends on the software you are talking about
[06:22] <redtech_> omg.  i just reinstalled and it installed grub
[06:22] <jasoncohen> sudo apt-get install console-tools
[06:22] <jasoncohen> redtech, heh
[06:22] <skalpel> bob2: you are right, i do have it
[06:22] <nickrud> redtech, and, did it work :)
[06:22] <skalpel> bob2: where are programs like that usually stored? because i do not know what the executable would be named
[06:22] <jasoncohen> skalpel, if you find you're missing applications you want enable universe and multiverse and there's a 99% chance it'll have what you want
[06:23] <redtech_> slamming my head intot he wall?  well yes!   heh yeah grub worked
[06:23] <bob2> skalpel: dpkg -L console-tools | grep /bin
[06:23] <benplaut> can someone recommend to me a good, cheap router that is reliable? at my school, our router only lets some people connect, and many of us (me included) won't connect. i'm making a fundraiser to get us a new one, but i need to know what, first :P
[06:23] <jasoncohen> skalpel, main/restricted only has 3,000 packages or so. if you enable universe & multiverse you'll have over 16,000 to choose from!
[06:23] <benplaut> somehwere around $20-30
[06:23] <bob2> skalpel: that will print all files in the package, that include /bin in their (in practice, all the programs it installed)
[06:23] <bob2> benplaut: an old pc with a few network cards and linux
[06:23] <jasoncohen> benplaut, there are plenty of good wired routers in that price range
[06:23] <benplaut> wireless
[06:23] <bob2> any old PC will be handle the bandwidth your school has
[06:23] <skalpel> bob2: alright
[06:23] <bob2> then stick a wireless card in it
[06:23] <jasoncohen> benplaut, 802.11g?
[06:24] <benplaut> yeah
[06:24] <bob2> linksys wrt54g's are quite nice, tho
[06:24] <stevenj> now with backports everything is working good again...I never noticed gaim have room lists...that must be something new...kinda neat anyway
[06:24] <auk> ray: i'm thirteen
[06:24] <Madpilot> greetings, ubuntunians
[06:24] <benplaut> bah... too expensive
[06:24] <benplaut> hello Madpilot
[06:24] <xaque> hell
[06:24] <xaque> *o
[06:24] <jasoncohen> benplaut, $20-30 is cutting it too close...you're going to get crap for that price
[06:24] <benplaut> oh, and the term is now "ubunut"
[06:24] <xaque> hello
[06:24] <benplaut> jadoncohen: bah... i have a cheap no-name in my house that is great, but that was just luck :P
[06:24] <jasoncohen> stevenj, room lists are available for yahoo - not AIM
[06:24] <jasoncohen> did you add a new account?
[06:25] <stevenj> jasoncohen, well I only use yahoo actually....but I never room lists before upgrading...
[06:25] <jasoncohen> benplaut, and i bought a cheap netgear router and spent hours on tech support with them because of problems i had...i went through 6 ...count 'em - 6 routers!
[06:25] <benplaut> well, i guess i'll just go for a more expensive WRT54G, then :(
[06:25] <jasoncohen> benplaut, they ended up sending me a router 2x the price that still had problems so i run both in router + static AP mode and it still doesn't work that well
[06:25] <benplaut> this one we have that doesn't work is a DLink... my ... is it a Planet brand? is fine
[06:26] <benplaut> hmm
[06:26] <stevenj> jasoncohen, in any case it works just like I remember the real yahoo msg working :)
[06:26] <jasoncohen> stevenj, yeah- gaim is nice...especially for multiple accounts
[06:26] <skalpel> has anyone else had trouble with add/remove programs not working?
[06:26] <benplaut> uboto ubuntu is an ubuntu fanatic
[06:26] <benplaut> woops
[06:26] <jasoncohen> skalpel, that's because you've installed smeg and thus pyxdg .14
[06:27] <stevenj> jasoncohen, I will defin. create a new account..I logged into a room and forgot...crap I dont want them to see my real account name....:o
[06:27] <jasoncohen> skalpel, python-xdg .14 broke gnome-app-install (is that what it's called)...there's a patch
[06:27] <skalpel> jasoncohen: i did not realise this would be a problem
[06:27] <jasoncohen> skalpel, one sec
[06:27] <skalpel> jasoncohen: where at?
[06:27] <skalpel> jasoncohen: ok
[06:27] <nickrud> jasoncohen, don't dis Amaranth
[06:27] <benplaut> hi Amaranth :P
[06:27] <bob2> Amaranth: dude, conflict with gnome-app-installer if you're going to break it
[06:27] <bob2> Amaranth: (in the pyxdg package, that is)
[06:27] <jasoncohen> nickrud, huh?
[06:27] <Amaranth> bob2: Talk to backports guys.
[06:27] <bob2> wtf
[06:27] <nickrud> jasoncohen, np, a joke
[06:28] <jasoncohen> nickrud, i didn't- in fact he helped me get smeg working
[06:28] <nickrud> I hunt those who hide :)
[06:28] <bob2> Amaranth: where are they on IRC?
[06:28] <Amaranth> err, here and -devel
[06:28] <benplaut> !ubunut
[06:29] <ubotu> hmm... ubunut is an ubuntu fanatic
[06:29] <benplaut> hehe... nice
[06:29] <bob2> bah
[06:29] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, do you know the webpage for the fix?
[06:29] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: nope, lost in bugzilla
[06:29] <jasoncohen> i can't find it...i searched all gnome-app-install bugs on ubuntu bugzilla
[06:29] <levander> bob2: from http://www.osta.org/specs/pdf/udf260.pdf (Official UDF spec) section <IP_ADDRESS>: "Hard links to directories are not allowed".  I assume that that means to hard links to regular files are allowed.    I've not seen this with debian.  xfontsel only shows one pt size for truetype fonts, and they look very bad.  What an I screwing up here?
[06:32] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, at least i can find all the bugs on a package in BTS!
[06:32] <bob2> Amaranth: searching seems to be less important on the BTS since it's so easy to find all the bugs on a package
[06:32] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: err, and you can't in bugzilla?
[06:32] <jasoncohen> skalpel, i can't seem to find it
[06:32] <skalpel> jasoncohen: if i un-install smeg will it work again?
[06:32] <jasoncohen> i'll try bugzilla
[06:33] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, bugzilla only shows 11 bugs on gnome-app-install - none that i'm looking for
[06:33] <jasoncohen> skalpel, no- the problem is the new python-xdg
[06:33] <bob2> levander: no, ranting at developers is just annoying to them, too; filing details bugs is the way to get things fixed and noticed
[06:33] <Amaranth> skalpel: and if you have backports enabled you have to get rid of it
[06:33] <skalpel> i believe i do have backports enabled. how do i get rid of it?
[06:33] <Amaranth> personally i find gnome-app-install in hoary to be basically useless, appearently most people agree with me
[06:34] <benplaut> Amaranth: how's Smeg going?  :P
[06:34] <dbernar1> who knows how to make a picture file out of a movie file?
[06:34] <Amaranth> seeing how this was broken for probably a month before anyone noticed
[06:34] <bob2> mencoder + png output
[06:34] <jasoncohen> skalpel, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11871
[06:34] <skalpel> how do i find out which version of the kernal i am using?
[06:34] <jasoncohen> skalpel, download and apply the patch
[06:34] <jasoncohen> it's easy
[06:34] <bob2> Amaranth: it's broken in hoary? or only broken when the new pyxdg is installed?
[06:34] <skalpel> ok
[06:34] <bob2> skalpel: uname -r
[06:34] <Amaranth> benplaut: hasn't at all since the last screenshot i showed you
[06:35] <Amaranth> bob2: pyxdg
[06:35] <dbernar1> bob2: great! what do I do? read something on mencoder perhaps?
[06:35] <bob2> Amaranth: if the latter, I think that just suggests that "people who used those backports don't use g-a-i"
[06:35] <nickrud> lol
[06:35] <Amaranth> bob2: the overlap between smeg and backports users and g-a-i users is very small
[06:35] <Amaranth> yeah, what you said
[06:35] <benplaut> Amaranth: well, i really don't care much anymore, considering that .75 is the last version for Hoary...
[06:35] <levander> bob2: I filed a bug at launchpad about a week ago.  Nobody's responded.
[06:35] <jasoncohen> bob2, well, in breezy gnome-app-install will actually show enough applications + info that it might actually be useful
[06:36] <Amaranth> benplaut: it'll work in hoary, you'll just see things in smeg differently than in the real menus
[06:36] <levander> bob2: looking at launchpad, the vast majority of the bugs have no response to them.
[06:36] <bob2> ok, I've never used it, I just get annoyed by baseless assertions :)
[06:36] <bob2> levander: yes, there's very few universe people
[06:36] <Amaranth> benplaut: because 0.8 will let you put in separators and reorder things but the menus don't actually support that in hoary
[06:36] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, what crap... a search for gnome-app-install doesn't show bug 11871 on package gnome-app-install
[06:36] <bob2> and LP is the friendliest system to reply to bugs with
[06:37] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: you didn't define your search terms properly
[06:37] <levander> bob2: i've actually been looking at doing it myself, but think that wishful thinking, i've never done hardware level coding.
[06:37] <nickrud> levander, give them a chance, bug squashing always comes late
[06:37] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, it says "enter a bug # or some search terms" -  a package name is a search term
[06:37] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, how should i have done it?
[06:37] <dbernar1> ok,. well, I hjust got an email from this email address<EMAIL_ADDRESS>It says: "Call out Gouranga be happy!!!\nGouranga Gouranga Gouranga ....\nThat which brings the highest happiness!!"
[06:37] <dbernar1> weird ppl.
[06:37] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: simple search doesn't search against package names
[06:38] <nickrud> oh, Gourandga
[06:38] <dbernar1> you know something about this?
[06:38] <nickrud> yeah, google it, there's a lot
[06:38] <dbernar1> ok
[06:38] <dbernar1> good idea
[06:38] <nickrud> :)
[06:38] <levander> nickrud: that's kind of why i'm asking right now, don't mean to rant, but am just wondering if anybody's heard of anybody working on udftools.  So that there is somebody to squash bugs on udftools late.  I'd be more than happy if udftools were working for breezy.
[06:38] <dbernar1> gta?
[06:38] <skalpel> jasoncohen: i seem to be having trouble installing this patch, can you help me out?
[06:39] <dbernar1> wtf I dont care about that...why did someone send me this? Spam?
[06:39] <jasoncohen> skalpel, download  gnome-app-install-v3.tar.gz, then "tar zxvf gnome-app-install-v3.tar.gz" and cd gai. then "sudo ./install-gai.sh
[06:39] <f_newton> spam?
[06:39] <nickrud> levander, I have had hopes for udftoos for years. Don't hold your breath
[06:39] <f_newton> spam and eggs or just spam?
[06:39] <dbernar1> not sure even if its spam yet.
[06:39] <benplaut> ubotu smeg is Simple Menu Editor for Gnome- you can find it in the Backports repository, or at http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=67
[06:39] <ubotu> ...but smeg is already something else...
[06:39] <benplaut> woops
[06:39] <levander> nickrud: ack! years? damn
[06:39] <Amaranth> benplaut: grr
[06:39] <levander> nickrud: okay, guess I can officially forget it then.
[06:39] <benplaut> hmm
[06:40] <skalpel> jasoncohen: i did that and i got a bunch of errors saying 'directory does not exist' would you like me to paste it?
[06:40] <benplaut> didn't show up when i tried before
[06:40] <nickrud> levander, good move
[06:40] <levander> nickrud: just wish somebody would have told me that before I spent two and a half days of free time about a week ago trying to get it working.
[06:40] <f_newton> go to rafb.net/paste or something
[06:40] <benplaut> ahh... when /msging ubotu, dont use a "!" :P
[06:40] <jasoncohen> skalpel, what directory? what gave you the error?
[06:40] <jasoncohen> skalpel, paste in #flood
[06:40] <dbernar1> so you guys think its spam or someone trying to scare me?
[06:40] <nickrud> levander, I hadn't looked for a while, thanks for being my scout ;P
[06:41] <`Xenocide> question about video: does totem work with .mkvs well yet?
[06:41] <f_newton> dbernar1, how in the world would anyone know... what are you talking about, maybe I just came in late
[06:41] <nickrud> dbernar1, it is definite spam
[06:41] <dbernar1> great.
[06:41] <levander> nickrud: think i'm going to modify that bug entry i put in to say that if it's not working, they should at least put a note in the package so people don't waste time trying to get it to work.
[06:41] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, can i just search by package name?
[06:41] <dbernar1> f_newton: not important, its spam.
[06:41] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: for some reason i can't bring that bug up with a search :P
[06:41] <nickrud> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gouranga dbernar1
[06:41] <f_newton> spam is an unfortunate result of letting the eastern block get internet access
[06:41] <dbernar1> I just never get sp[am, that is why I was like....wtf./..
[06:41] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: this have never happened before...
[06:42] <jasoncohen> i personally think debian BTS is more straightforward...more options but searching by maintainer, package name, bug description was easy
[06:42] <Xenguy> dbernar1: it only gets better :P
[06:42] <f_newton> lol Xenguy
[06:42] <dbernar1> haha
[06:42] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, i can't figure out how to just search by package name...i want all bugs on gnome-app-install.
[06:42] <Goodspeed> i accidently deleted the top panel!!
[06:42] <dbernar1> Im opening a new email address, it seems.
[06:42] <f_newton> xenguy when ubuntu upgrades its version of evolution you will get a darn good antispam tool
[06:42] <Goodspeed> can i get it back?!?
[06:42] <jasoncohen> why does ubuntu use bugzilla?
[06:42] <dbernar1> or not yet, whatever.
[06:43] <dbernar1> ok, sorry to bother you guys.
[06:43] <f_newton> anyone who is anyone in the software biz uses bugzilla
[06:43] <Xenguy> f_newton: evo is integrating an anti-spam tool?
[06:43] <levander> f_newton: bugzilla is a bitch to administer, I use roundup which is much easier to
[06:43] <f_newton> the junk mail filter in the newer version that fedora uses is much better then the one ubuntu uses
[06:43] <Goodspeed> is there anyway to get the top panel with the date and time back if you delete it?
[06:44] <jasoncohen> f_newton, why...it's not that good
[06:44] <f_newton> sure Goodspeed
[06:44] <Goodspeed> how?
[06:44] <dbernar1> Goodspeed: well for one, you can cerate a new uiser. that will do it.
[06:44] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&component=gnome-app-install ?
[06:44] <Goodspeed> what about my current one?
[06:44] <f_newton> right click on your taskbar and choose add to panel
[06:44] <dbernar1> Another thing is that you can add "a" panekl, and give it twhat you want on it.
[06:44] <jasoncohen> f_newton, i thought debian BTS was far better at finding and reporing bugs. reportbug and listbugs were great
[06:44] <Xenguy> f_newton: I use spamassassin currently; it seems to catch 95% or whatever
[06:44] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: basically what it comes down to is that bugzilla is easier for casual users
[06:44] <dbernar1> I heard of someone getting it back without even doing anything, some kind of reset.
[06:44] <f_newton> well I get on average 15 pieces of junk per hour
[06:45] <dbernar1> not not doing anything, but just resettings.
[06:45] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: developers are more important in BTS, users are more important in bugzilla
[06:45] <f_newton> i imagine it would be a lot worse without assasin
[06:45] <levander> f_newton: you gotta change your email address man, that's ridiculous
[06:45] <dbernar1> pretty bad.
[06:45] <jasoncohen> heh...i want BTS back
[06:45] <Goodspeed> i dont have the task bar
[06:45] <nmsa> where can I find sudo history ? is there a complete log of all commands since ever installed ?
[06:45] <f_newton> levander its what happens when you have web site
[06:45] <f_newton> sites
[06:45] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, so, you can't just use BTS and make an easy to use website?
[06:45] <dbernar1> Goodspeed: whats a task bar? a bar with squares representing apps, like the bottom one in windows?
[06:45] <Xenguy> levander: after a few years, that's what seems to happen with spam
[06:46] <f_newton> yep
[06:46] <levander> f_newton: you can't get boxtrapper or something to stop that?
[06:46] <skalpel> i think i just ran out of things to fix in ubuntu. what do i do now? =)
[06:46] <f_newton> i have a spam email acct in hotmail
[06:46] <Goodspeed> no f_newton said clikc on the taskbar
[06:46] <Goodspeed> all i have is the bottom one that shows my active programs
[06:46] <f_newton> I get about 60 a day
[06:46] <levander> Xenguy: I've had my email address for years, get about 15 a day
[06:46] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, where is the advanced search functionality for ubuntu's bugzilla...i don't think that debian's BTS site was hard to use at all. why do you think it's too difficult for users?
[06:46] <Goodspeed> i deleted the top one
[06:46] <xaque> skalpel: go to disneyland!
[06:46] <dbernar1> click on the bottom panel, and select new panel,
[06:46] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, i'm having a more difficult time using bugzilla
[06:46] <f_newton> goodspeed then click on that one... do you want the upper taskbar back?
[06:46] <Goodspeed> yea
[06:46] <Goodspeed> i want all of it back
[06:46] <Goodspeed> :(
[06:46] <Xenguy> levander: I get a lot also (I don't even know how much anymore honestly)
[06:47] <f_newton> I think you can restore it hang on a sec
[06:47] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, i see...edit search at the bottom brings up advanced search options
[06:47] <f_newton> yer talking gnome right?
[06:47] <toran> does anyone know how to get magnet links working with firefox in ubuntu?
[06:47] <Goodspeed> yeap
[06:47] <f_newton> good
[06:47] <johnnybezak> hey guys, is there a way to set proxy settings for epiphany ?
[06:47] <f_newton> I refer kde problems to .... uh the round file... no someone else
[06:47] <johnnybezak> (i just got my wireless card working with dnis :D )
[06:47] <Xenguy> Ubuntu's Firefox seems to default to opening text files with 'gedit'; how can I convince FF to open text files with a different editor?
[06:47] <jasoncohen> f_newton,
[06:47] <skalpel> how do i install a kernel patch from a .diff file?
[06:47] <jasoncohen> f_newton, but both fedora and ubuntu have thunderbird 1.0.6
[06:48] <jasoncohen> why does fedora have a newer junk filter?
[06:48] <f_newton> thunderbird wont resize in my small lappy screen to set up properly
[06:48] <f_newton> so it sux to mke
[06:48] <f_newton> uh me
[06:48] <skalpel> is there a better aim client for gnome than gaim? on ethat has more functions, such as direct connection?
[06:48] <levander> jasoncohen: fedora doesn't freeze packages and only release bug fixes.  They release new functionality after they make their release.
[06:48] <f_newton> ok Goodspeed you there?
[06:48] <Goodspeed> yeap
[06:48] <Veon> Hi! Does anyone know if there is somekind of program for Ubuntu Linux like ISObuster?
[06:48] <nickrud> johnnybezak, I think epiphany respects system->preferences->network proxy
[06:49] <f_newton> find a blank spot on your lower task bar and right click
[06:49] <jasoncohen> levander, i know- but as i said the security team made an exception for mozilla products. ubuntu has the latest version of thunderbird- 1.0.6
[06:49] <levander> skalpel: i looked for something like that once, never found one
[06:49] <f_newton> Goodspeed, click on new panel
[06:49] <jasoncohen> Veon, if you just want to burn an iso, you can right click the iso and choose burn to disk from nautilus :)
[06:49] <f_newton> drag that sucka up to the top spot
[06:49] <johnnybezak> nickrud: roger that ill check it out
[06:49] <jasoncohen> Veon, gnomebaker is also quite nice
[06:49] <levander> jasoncohen: my bad, didn't read whole conversation
[06:49] <skalpel> levander: i know netscape comes with aim but i would rather not use that browser
[06:50] <nickrud> johnnybezak, let me know for the future, I use epiphany a lot
[06:50] <Veon> jasoncohen, No I need to open an nrg file
[06:50] <f_newton> then go to that new task bar right click and start the add to panel stuff
[06:50] <johnnybezak> nickrud: you don't know what that's called from the cli do you ?
[06:50] <jasoncohen> levander, heh- i'm not a newb. I know how ubuntu & fedora operate
[06:50] <f_newton> until you get it back like you want it
[06:50] <f_newton> k?
[06:50] <Goodspeed> ok
[06:50] <levander> skalpel: when I looked, I didn't even find that netscape had it.  You've found more than I did.
[06:50] <johnnybezak> nickrud: yeah sure :)
[06:50] <jasoncohen> Veon, ah, ok
[06:50] <Veon> Anyone here know how to open an .nrg file?
[06:50] <aru> skalpel: I use gaim and haven't had a problem with it, whats the down fall of it?
[06:51] <dbernar1> Goodspeed: another way to do it would be to add a new user. Yo9u could not name it the same as this one, tho, so...I mean, not suer which would take less time.
[06:51] <f_newton> but yes thunderbird does have a superior junk mail filter
[06:51] <Goodspeed> nah ill just put everything back
[06:51] <Goodspeed> its not like its going to be hard
[06:51] <xaque> veon: i think .nrg files are created by nero
[06:51] <`Xenocide> veon: i think k3b can open a .nrg CD Image, but you'd have to install it and KDE
[06:51] <benplaut> nero for linux?
[06:51] <BeefTube> can we play soldst with ubuntu wine?
[06:51] <levander> aru: i personally just don't like the UI.  Looks to cutesy to me.  Plus don't like the way it opens new tab windows for everything.
[06:51] <BeefTube> soldat
[06:51] <benplaut> you don't have to install all of KDE, just about 2 libs
[06:51] <skalpel> aru: well i just noticed that i was not able to establish a direct connection with another aim user, something that the windows client does.
[06:51] <levander> aru: it's all preference stuff though why I don't like it.
[06:51] <benplaut> it's not as bad as people think
[06:51] <Madpilot> you can run K3B without the entire KDE desktop
[06:51] <f_newton> I like gnome a lot levander
[06:52] <f_newton> oh you mean thunderbird?
[06:52] <skalpel> how do i install a kernel patch from a .diff file?
[06:52] <levander> f_newton: I was just talking about gaim
[06:52] <f_newton> thunderbird is a superior mail ui
[06:52] <aru> skalpel: theres always the kopete if you want to install the kde crap
[06:52] <skalpel> aru: i do not =)
[06:52] <Veon> `Xenocide, hmm, I'll see if I can do without opening it then.
[06:52] <f_newton> ah gaim ... u can change its look n feel
[06:52] <aru> skalpel: good :)
[06:52] <HrdwrBoB> aru: or you could stab your eyes out with a hot poker
[06:52] <Veon> Thnx for the help guys!
[06:52] <levander> skalpel: you know the gaim developers hang out in #gaim
[06:52] <skalpel> i already made the mistake of switching to kde once, i am done withit
[06:52] <aru> heh
[06:52] <skalpel> levander: ok
[06:52] <f_newton> I wish thunderbird would resize for me
[06:52] <f_newton> sigh
[06:52] <f_newton> I would not use evo again
[06:52] <jay> Anyone care to help me out with getting windows back? x.X
[06:52] <nickrud> skalpel, skoal :)
[06:52] <benplaut> i like KDE, but my computer is too slow for my tastes when using it
[06:53] <levander> skalpel: why didn't you like KDE?
[06:53] <skalpel> because gnome is better
[06:53] <skalpel> imo
[06:53] <johnnybezak> haha nice answer
[06:53] <SquareGuy> skalpel, i'll second that ;)
[06:53] <skalpel> k
[06:53] <benplaut> jay: instert windows CD, press enter a few times, wait around for a few hours for it to finish
[06:53] <levander> skalpel: oh, i see you've done very in depth comparison...
[06:53] <nickrud> rofl
[06:53] <jay> Problem is I don't have a windows cd.
[06:53] <johnnybezak> sorry anyone know what the gnome proxy settings tool is called (cli command)
[06:53] <benplaut> ahh
[06:54] <levander> jay: that is a problem
[06:54] <skalpel> i installed kubuntu first, and i liked it
[06:54] <skalpel> i just like gnome better
[06:54] <jay> I need to download and burn the image, but I do not know how to install things with linux.
[06:54] <skalpel> i might get bored and go back to it someday but i doubt it
[06:54] <benplaut> well then, jay, my friend, you can either spend $200+, or... other methods
[06:54] <aru> jay: what are you trying to do?
[06:54] <benplaut> actually, it wouldn't be illegal as long as you use your own key, right?
[06:54] <levander> skalpel: i've been meaning to check out e17.  I used to use DR16 and loved it.  Till it got kind of dated.
[06:54] <jay> correct
[06:55] <SquareGuy> jay, are you saying that you need to burn an iso image of windows?
[06:55] <dbernar1> ya jay, you trying to download a windows iso, burn it to a cd and install windows?
[06:55] <jay> So that I can get out of linux, yes.
[06:55] <jay> yes.
[06:55] <levander> jay: get out of linux? linux is this bad???
[06:55] <dbernar1> get the iso then
[06:55] <dbernar1> right click on it.
[06:55] <f_newton> wait a second..so that you can get out of linux/
[06:55] <f_newton> ?
[06:55] <f_newton> why?
[06:55] <dbernar1> burn to cd, and burn it
[06:55] <jay> To hard, when I don't know the commands etc.
[06:55] <dbernar1> the rest you surely know.
[06:55] <f_newton> is it that tough for you?
[06:56] <dbernar1> linux is nice...^_^ like cats.
[06:56] <aru> jay: maybe we can help you work through the difficult parts?
[06:56] <nickrud> jay, if you'll join #flood, I have a stanza you need to add to /boot/grub/menu.lst. If you have a standard windows install, it'll work
[06:56] <levander> jay: lol, that's the whole fun of linux at first.  Learning so much about your computer....
[06:56] <f_newton> Ive heard every thing now
[06:56] <jay> It is when I don't know the commands and things to install software, files and programs on linux.
[06:56] <SquareGuy> jay, well just use a linux cd-burner.  i must admit i prefer k3b.  its a niced gui so you wont need command line
[06:56] <skalpel> levander: very true
[06:56] <maxgoetz> kitties!!! ^_^
[06:56] <dbernar1> jay installing is too easy
[06:56] <levander> jay: nickrud is assuming you didn't blow away your windows install when you installed linux.  Did you blow it away?
[06:56] <nickrud> heh, levander
[06:56] <jasoncohen> jay, you can install an iso in nautilus by right clicking and choosing burn to cd..you can also use gnomebaker or k3b
[06:56] <jasoncohen> many choices and all are easy
[06:56] <jay> That's exactly what I did.
[06:56] <skalpel> does anyone ever thing that one day irc and the linux terminal will be integrated succesfully and safely?
[06:56] <f_newton> jay... look, slow down and do a little reading... or just go back to windows
[06:56] <jay> Deleted the windows partition.
[06:56] <skalpel> that would be nice.
[06:57] <dbernar1> jay sudo aptitude install programName...3 seconds, installed
[06:57] <levander> jasoncohen: that will make the cd bootable just doing that?
[06:57] <f_newton> jay read the instructions before you take the medicine
[06:57] <dbernar1> System>Admin>Synaptic---a gui program for installing anything.
[06:57] <aru> jay: if you want to msg me I can walk you through the GUI way of doing most things you want in Linux
[06:57] <benplaut> dbernar: nah... just apt-get. don't make it too complicated
[06:57] <jay> alright
[06:57] <f_newton> dont ya just wish you'd taken the blue pill instead sometimes?
[06:57] <dbernar1> benplaut: what? I think you have something confused...
[06:57] <SquareGuy> hell you can have my windows cd ;)
[06:58] <f_newton> lol ive got a few he can have too
[06:58] <jay> lol i love the people on this chat
[06:58] <jasoncohen> levander, isos are images - usually of bootable disks. you don't have to do anything to make them bootable
[06:58] <jay> so very kind =/
[06:58] <f_newton> well we wont be so nice to a windows user...
[06:58] <levander> jasoncohen: ah, okay, didn't know
[06:58] <f_newton> lol
[06:58] <levander> at least jay gave linux a try
[06:58] <dbernar1> benplaut: sudo aptitude search|install|remove vs sudo apt-get install|remove apt-cache search, I think the first is easier.
[06:58] <f_newton> no he gave up as soon as he ran into something he had to think about
[06:58] <jay> That's what I intend to do, I just need to learn the commands etc
[06:59] <jay> I mean I don'
[06:59] <jay> I don'
[06:59] <jay> I don
[06:59] <levander> ubuntu should institute a neighborhood linux buddy program for guys like jay
[06:59] <jay> gah keyboard lol
[06:59] <nickrud> so, jay, you can't boot windows anymore? Is that true?
[06:59] <benplaut> dbernar1: don't make him install more than he needs...
[06:59] <jay> I don't even know sudo*
[06:59] <f_newton> jay... ubuntu is about as plug n play as it gets
[06:59] <benplaut> apt-get is fine
[06:59] <levander> jay: you know you can have both windows and linux installed on the same computer?
[06:59] <jay> I don't have any trace of windows or the cd.
[06:59] <dbernar1> benplaut: I dont get your point...is aptitude not installed by default or something?
[06:59] <desrt> f_newton; for devices that it supports...
[06:59] <JDahl> Is an ssh connection auto killed if it takes up too many ressources? I am running some large jobs remotely, and my job keeps getting killed (the same job ran fine at work a couple of hours ago)
[06:59] <levander> but jay, what is it you want to do with Linux but can't?
[06:59] <benplaut> no, it isn;t
[06:59] <benplaut> AFAIK, anyway
[06:59] <f_newton> well it is true I choose my hardware with linux in mind
[06:59] <dbernar1> hm. I thought it was.
[07:00] <dbernar1> ok, well, good to learn.
[07:00] <f_newton> windows will kiss any one
[07:00] <f_newton> the whor5e
[07:00] <f_newton> '''
[07:00] <jay> Well in instructions, to download most software...
[07:00] <nickrud> benplaut, are u sure, I've been using it since day one
[07:00] <shammy> i have to install ndiswrapper to get my wifi to work, i just downloaded Linux kernal 2.6.10 for the source, where do i extract the tarball to? /usr/src/linux-2.6.10 ?
[07:00] <jay> It says login as root
[07:00] <SquareGuy> hmm did i get booted or was my connection flakey?
[07:00] <jay> I do not know how to properly use the sudo command.
[07:00] <benplaut> nickrud: i thought not, but... if you guys say so... maybe
[07:01] <Marble2> How can I disable that stupid warning when I open a .wmv file by double click?
[07:01] <f_newton> jay my business forces me to use ms publisher so I even use that on my linux box
[07:01] <nickrud> benplaut, I may have got it out of reflex :)
[07:01] <dabaR> it is too simple. Just prepend sudo to the command you eed to run as root.
[07:01] <levander> jay: don't install software from all over the internet.  Just use apt-get from the command line to download from the ubuntu repositories.
[07:01] <f_newton> I dont use windows os at all period for any reason
[07:01] <dabaR> then it asks for a password, and you type in yours, and thats it.
[07:01] <levander> jay: apt-get downloads and installs the programs with just typing one command
[07:01] <nickrud> jay, start by reading the following:
[07:01] <nickrud> !rootsudo
[07:01] <ubotu> somebody said rootsudo was at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[07:01] <dabaR> for the next 15 minutes, sudo does not ask for a pasword.
[07:01] <jasoncohen> shammy, you don't need kernel source, you want kernel-headers and both can be obtained from synaptic/aptp-get
[07:01] <benplaut> can someone here with a vanilla install please check if aptitude is installed by default?
[07:01] <xaque> or use synaptic, that's a gui program
[07:02] <dabaR> it seems it is not, according to ubotu, it is optional.
[07:02] <NoHope> hi all
[07:02] <levander> jay: actually, newbs are supposed to use synaptic.  But, you just click a few buttons, the software downloads and installs automatically even then though.
[07:02] <f_newton> as far as I know it is cuz I have it
[07:02] <benplaut> ah
[07:02] <dabaR> ya, synaptic all the way, I think.
[07:02] <NoHope> hey, how can I get gmake from the apt-get?
[07:02] <nickrud> benplaut, aptitude is depended on by ubuntu-base, so, it's installed by default
[07:02] <jasoncohen> shammy, "sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[07:02] <benplaut> hmm
[07:02] <SquareGuy> maybe he can try "sudo apt-get install windows" sorry, couldn't resist
[07:02] <ilba7r> jay you can install anysoftware you want without command line <window style installer> press system with your mouse > Adminstration > synaptic
[07:02] <levander> NoHope: try 'apt-cache search gmake' see if anything comes up
[07:02] <Gorth> guys my xmms freezes whenever i try to play a song
[07:02] <nickrud> benplaut, apt-cache rdepends aptitude
[07:02] <Gorth> how do i kill it
[07:02] <Gorth> it like
[07:02] <shammy> jasoncohen: I tried running synaptic, and it wouldn't open, even though an hour or so before it worked fine. I tried running it from terminal and gtk gave me an error saying it cant be displayed, why would that happen?
[07:02] <Gorth> own't go away
[07:03] <f_newton> hey is there an ubuntu book out there anywhere?
[07:03] <ilba7r> its a gui installer, you can also use linux like window
[07:03] <f_newton> maybe jay can ... oh I dont know... read the help section manual?
[07:03] <jasoncohen> shammy, is it already open
[07:03] <levander> jay: as long as you don't have a windows iso, why don't you fire up synaptic to see what you can install?
[07:03] <jasoncohen> shammy, ps -ax | grep synaptic
[07:03] <benplaut> Gorth: type, in the terminal, xkill, and then click on it's window
[07:03] <NoHope> levander, nothing equals...
[07:03] <dabaR> benplaut: it turns out it is insatlled on default.
[07:03] <Marble2> How can I disable that stupid warning when I open a .wmv file by double click?
[07:03] <Gorth> ah
[07:03] <dabaR> with xine?
[07:03] <Gorth> thanks benplaut
[07:03] <aru> !tell jay about !java
[07:03] <f_newton> its not xine its any of them
[07:04] <Gorth> so what do ya'll recommend for media
[07:04] <benplaut> Marble2: set the file type default to something that can open it correctly
[07:04] <SquareGuy> Amaranth, you there?
[07:04] <aru> doh
[07:04] <neoego> hey guys, do you know how I can get the ubuntu administration apps to ask me to login as root, rather than with my normal user password?  I turned off my admin privileges for my user account, and now I cant access the admin apps.  Is there a simple way to make my computer more like a typical linux box?  I've already added a root account.
[07:04] <levander> NoHope: go to packages.ubuntu.com and search for it there.  Make sure you are search *contents of packages* and *hoary*
[07:04] <Gorth> i don't like bulky programs
[07:04] <aru> !tell jay about java
[07:04] <xaque> gstreamer rocks
[07:04] <Amaranth> SquareGuy: sorta
[07:04] <Gorth> xmms seemed compact, but it's broken!
[07:04] <NoHope> levander, ok.
[07:04] <SquareGuy> Amaranth, i hear ya
[07:04] <benplaut> Gorth: totem for videos, and i don't listen to music :P
[07:04] <Gorth> :D thanks benplaut
[07:04] <Marble2> benplaut: it can open it, it just gives me an annoying message...
[07:04] <shammy> jasoncohen: for "sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`, Where does it get it from? the install disc?
[07:04] <xaque> i use my ipod for all music
[07:04] <xaque> and totem for movies
[07:04] <f_newton> totem-xine  totem alone sux
[07:04] <levander> NoHope: if it's not there, you're outta luck getting it from an official repository.  Could check backports, but I don't use it so don't know how.
[07:05] <Amaranth> SquareGuy: what's up?
[07:05] <SquareGuy> Amaranth, nadda.  i didnt get a chance to setup my radius server, maybe tomorrow
[07:05] <jasoncohen> shammy, your apt sources
[07:05] <jasoncohen> could be a cd- or network
[07:05] <NoHope> levander, oh, maybe it won't be necessary no more... I could use [make] , I'm installing PostgreSQL from source.
[07:05] <NoHope> levander, thx.
[07:06] <dabaR> well, see ya later.
[07:06] <aru> !java
[07:06] <ubotu> [java]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[07:06] <levander> NoHope: yeah, make really sounds to me like something that'd be easier from the command line anyway.
[07:06] <shammy> jasoncohen: but I don't need a working net connection do I?
[07:07] <levander> shammy: it depends on how you're sources.list file is set up, and if the package you want is even on the disc.
[07:08] <nickrud> shammy, no, the headers are on the cd that was copied to your disk
[07:08] <levander> shammy: yeah, but most people use a working internet connection (like the one you're using to talk in this irc channel)
[07:08] <nickrud> hm, repositories, sources, and sections :)
[07:09] <shammy> levander: i'm not on ubuntu at the moment, my wifi works fine on windows since it has the drivers.
[07:09] <levander> shammy: i think nickrud is more aware of what you're wanting, i'd listen to him, not me
[07:09] <nickrud> hah, I thought so, until shammy mentioned wifi :)
[07:10] <Sputn1k> after kernel compile, when i starting new kernel i get this: Kernel panic-not syncing :VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (0,0)
[07:10] <Sputn1k> Where is the problem?
[07:10] <shammy> I think i've got it, "sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`"
[07:10] <nickrud> shammy, yes, that's a well formed command
[07:10] <BTJustice> Here is a dumb question I guess.  How do I install the latest version of Firefox.  I downloaded it but don't know how to install it.
[07:10] <skalpel> does anyone else have trouble with strange audio chirps when gnome tries to play sound events overtop of playing music?
[07:10] <Gorth> so are there any xmms alternatives?
[07:10] <shammy> nickrud: that's because jasoncohen told me it :)
[07:11] <levander> Where do we go to see "linux recommended hardware"?  Like these wifi cards that everybody's having trouble with.  I've got my eyes on an nForce motherboard, but know about nVidia's reputation with the drivers for their graphics cards.
[07:11] <nickrud> good source
[07:11] <jasoncohen> shammy, not if you have a cd source
[07:11] <nickrud> ah sources dispute :P
[07:11] <shammy> jasoncohen: what would the command be if I'm using the cd as the source?
[07:11] <levander> BTJustice: I'd remove whatever you downloaded and do 'sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox'
[07:11] <deprave_> hi, a have a crap load of terminals open on one screen for irc etc, is there a program that keeps all of these terminals like, coagulated and you just click on tabs or something to swtich to and from different terminals?
[07:12] <nickrud> shammy, use the same one. That is an accurate way to get the headers for your installed kernel
[07:12] <levander> deprave_: i think you want a program called screens
[07:12] <deprave_> no i'm using screens, i don't want something to keep them all detached
[07:12] <jasoncohen> shammy, well, what dose "sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` . it might actually be in your apt cache in which case it'll just install from there
[07:12] <levander> deprave_: but gterm has tabs if that's what you want
[07:12] <jasoncohen> *does
[07:12] <skalpel> how do i install a kernel patch from a .diff file?
[07:13] <shammy> jasoncohen: but it would work either way, right>
[07:13] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, if you try to install a package that's available on the CD and on network sources, which will apt prefer?
[07:13] <sproingie> deprave_: gterm and konsole both have tabs.  konsole you can use shift and the arrow keys to navigate them, dunno for gterm
[07:13] <levander> deprave_: actually, think it's called gnome-terminal, not gterm
[07:13] <jasoncohen> shammy, should...i never install off the cd. i have broadband
[07:13] <drcode> hi al
[07:13] <drcode> all
[07:13] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: CD
[07:14] <drcode> how I can mount .cue + .bin file?
[07:14] <bimberi> jasoncohen: if the latest version is on the cd it will install from there
[07:14] <JDahl> deprave_, I think fluxbox is famous for uncluttering terminals using a taskbar or something
[07:14] <Amaranth> drcode: Stop downloading illegal movies and/or applications. :P (bin2iso or bchunk)
[07:14] <shammy> well nickrud said it would work, so i'll go try it
[07:14] <skalpel> how do i install a kernel patch from a .diff file?
[07:15] <drcode> thanx
[07:15] <deprave_> ok i will try out konsole thanks sproingie
[07:15] <xkuseme> can someone help me? ubuntu keeps freezing on my is that known problem?
[07:15] <nickrud> shammy, first, let me look at your /etc/apt/sources.list (I'm sorta at work, I've missed all but your last message)
[07:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> xkuseme: when does it freeze?
[07:16] <levander> xkuseme: too vague of description.  We'd need to know more.  Maybe check /var/log/syslog to see if you can find anything out?
[07:16] <xkuseme> Kamping_Kaiser: haven't found a pattern yet
[07:16] <xkuseme> levander: i need to reboot first
[07:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok. are you running Hoary?
[07:16] <xkuseme> levander: Kamping_Kaiser only mouse is working
[07:16] <levander> xkuseme: why? just open the file
[07:17] <levander> xkuseme: ah, i see
[07:17] <xkuseme> levander: it froze
[07:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> xkuseme: kill x
[07:17] <pestilence> sproingie: you can set the keystroke preferences in gnome's terminal to be identical to konsole's
[07:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> ctrl+alt+backspace
[07:17] <levander> xkuseme: how are you typing into this channel if your keyboard doesn't work?
[07:17] <xkuseme> Kamping_Kaiser:evetything is frozen
[07:17] <xkuseme> levander: i am on the laptop
[07:17] <levander> xkuseme: ah okay, go ahead and reboot
[07:17] <jasoncohen> shammy, it didn't work?
[07:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> xkuseme: so you cant kill x?
[07:17] <xkuseme> levander: ok rebooting now
[07:18] <xkuseme> Kamping_Kaiser: no keyboard is completely useless
[07:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh
[07:18] <levander> xkuseme: you've ever read a log file before?
[07:18] <levander> xkuseme: if not, it's gonna take some patience to read and figure out the format
[07:18] <xkuseme> levander: yes, but not very experienced to be honest
[07:18] <xkuseme> levander: this is a pretty new install, only 3 days old
[07:19] <levander> xkuseme: well, just try to figure out where the logging in that file started for the reboot your doing on it now, then look just above it to see if you notice any error messages.
[07:19] <[Spooky] > levander: swedish ? :)
[07:19] <BTJustice> It says Firefox is already the latest version which it isn;t since the one on here is 1.0.2
[07:19] <xkuseme> levander: ok i am back in now
[07:19] <skalpel> how do i install a kernel patch from a .diff file?
[07:19] <levander> [Spooky] : no, I'm an American who stereotypically only speaks English, sorry.
[07:19] <skalpel> where is the linux kernel located in ubuntu?
[07:19] <levander> xkuseme: 'less /var/log/syslog'
[07:20] <nickrud> skalpel, with extreeeme carefulness :)
[07:20] <levander> skalpel: /boot/vmlinux??????? - question marks represent characters I don't remember
[07:20] <[Spooky] > levander: ok you have like a common used nick... here in sweden hehe
[07:20] <BTJustice> levandar: refox is already the latest version which it isn;t since the one on here is 1.0.2
[07:20] <levander> [Spooky] : really, I had no idea it was common in Sweden.
[07:21] <skalpel> does anyone know if the ubuntu kernel has the vesafb-tng patch written in?
[07:21] <xkuseme> levander: less /var/log/syslog only tells me [2]  8164
[07:21] <nickrud> BTJustice, the security repository for ubuntu has  1.0.6-0ubuntu0.1
[07:21] <levander> BTJustice: you've haven't 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade'.  The latest firefox in the repositories is 1.0.6
[07:22] <levander> xkuseme: there's only one linux in your /var/log/syslog??
[07:22] <BTJustice> Let me try that command, brb.
[07:22] <levander> only one line*
[07:22] <xkuseme> levander: yes
[07:22] <levander> BTJustice: that's gonna put all the latest security updates and bug fixes on your system.
[07:22] <nickrud> BTJustice, you need to have security in your repositories for tos commands to work
[07:22] <levander> BTJustice: you're supposed to run that command periodically to get those on your system.
[07:23] <levander> xkuseme: check /var/log/syslog.0
[07:23] <xkuseme> levander: no i mean if i view the entire file not. but for "less /var/log/syslog"
[07:23] <levander> xkuseme: I don't understand.
[07:23] <levander> xkuseme: you can explain again what you mean?
[07:23] <xkuseme> http://rafb.net/paste/results/vrj47t41.html
[07:24] <xkuseme> levander: can you look at this?
[07:24] <BTJustice> thanks
[07:24] <levander> xkuseme: looking
[07:24] <Trace> Hello, Does Ubuntu contain gpart?
[07:24] <Trace> Actually,  I think gpart is a very useful tool and i try to find gpart in Ubuntu but with no luck
[07:24] <benplaut> Trace: not by deafult
[07:24] <benplaut> install it with Synaptic
[07:24] <bimberi> Trace: it's available in the universe repository
[07:25] <nickrud> Trace, yes, try gparted
[07:26] <strykewulf> hey guys if i restart will i have to turn apache back on?
[07:26] <strykewulf> hey guys if i restart will i have to turn apache back on?
[07:27] <Trace> nickrud, gparted is not the same with gpart, am i right?
[07:27] <Madpilot> they seem to be 2 different apps
[07:27] <levander> xkuseme: you know about how long your system had been frozen before restarting?
[07:27] <Trace> Does gpart have any GUI? or does it run just in terminal?
[07:27] <Madpilot> speaking of which, will gparted work gracefully with SATA drives?
[07:27] <nickrud> hm, I think that gparted is a gnome frontend to gpart
[07:27] <levander> Trace: I think it's gparted
[07:27] <BTJustice> That says there are 0 packages to upgrade.  HTGat makes no sense since the latest Firefox is 1.0.6 and hte installed one in Ubuntu is 1.0.2
[07:28] <xkuseme> levander: the first time about a min then i rebooted and the second time same at most 2 min.
[07:28] <nickrud> BTJustice, how about posting your /etc/apt/sources.list on pastebin
[07:28] <BTJustice> What is pastebin?  You mean paste it here?
[07:28] <levander> Anybody know what a /dev/vcs? or /dev/vca? file is for? It's from xkuseme syslog paste
[07:29] <xkuseme> levander: the only thing that changed since i have this problem is that i tried to set up mutt. i got fetchmailconf with aptitude and configured it. after running that i was getting this, i don't know if that has anyting to do with it
[07:29] <nickrud> BTJustice, I mean, I have 1.0.6 :)
[07:29] <pestilence> Trace: gparted is graphical
[07:30] <levander> xkuseme: i'm thinking it's usb, let me keep looking
[07:30] <Trace> pestilence, thx, let me install it first.
[07:31] <xkuseme> levander: only usb device connected is mouse
[07:31] <BTJustice> nickrud: So how do I get it?
[07:32] <Madpilot> !pastebin
[07:32] <ubotu> rumour has it, pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood
[07:32] <Madpilot> BTJustice: see ubotu's post
[07:33] <levander> xkuseme: you can paste /var/log/syslog.0 also?
[07:33] <nickrud> BTJustice, replace your /etc/apt/sources.list with http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[07:34] <BTJustice> Done.
[07:34] <nickrud> then,       sudo aptitude update; sudo aptitude upgrade
[07:34] <BTJustice> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/328144
[07:34] <noname_> Uhh
[07:34] <noname_> I just ran Quake3 and for some reason it fucked my resolution
[07:34] <nickrud> I rest my case
[07:34] <noname_> brb
[07:34] <melio> is the amd64 build well supported with software?
[07:35] <melio> specificly multimedia stuff
[07:35] <Burgundavia> melio, most of the free stuff is there
[07:35] <Burgundavia> melio, w32codecs does not exist, nor does flash
[07:35] <melio> oh no flash
[07:35] <melio> bummer
[07:35] <f_newton> pretty much the same as fc4
[07:35] <blackgecko> anyone knows what do i have to do to get rid of configure: error: termcap support not found
[07:35] <melio> should I just get the i386 stuff?
[07:35] <xkuseme> levander: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/914
[07:36] <sproingie> flash works fine on the 32 bit firefox
[07:36] <sproingie> you want to do a lot of multimedia stuff, you may as well just run a 32 bit dist tho
[07:36] <melio> sproingie,  i'm just gonna do 32bit
[07:36] <melio> never mind the 64bit till they do more work with it
[07:36] <concept10> f_newton, you brought Melio to Ubuntu land?
[07:36] <darmou> does anyone know about the sys logs and where they go, I know in debian syslogs get sent to root is that the case with ubuntu?
[07:36] <f_newton> yep
[07:36] <concept10> Great!
[07:36] <melio> concept10,  I'm a slut
[07:36] <sproingie> the 64 bit works fine, just some individual apps don't
[07:36] <f_newton> lol
[07:36] <melio> I try everything
[07:37] <f_newton> yeah he was easy
[07:37] <concept10> heh
[07:37] <sproingie> macrodobe doesn't have flash for amd64 for instance.  ghc also sucks on amd64, but i doubt you need that
[07:37] <concept10> Has anyone tried OOo 2.0 beta yet with Hoary?
[07:37] <melio> sproingie,  I'm just gonna use i386
[07:37] <f_newton> OOo beta sux dude
[07:38] <f_newton> I am glad to see ubuntu still has a stable version
[07:38] <darmou> when will the new ver of oo be released?
[07:38] <concept10> f_newton, you dont like it?  is it unstable?
[07:38] <nickrud> once only, because I do my work with openoffice
[07:38] <sproingie> ubuntu more or less only has a stable version, the "unstable" is more like debian experimental
[07:38] <skalpel> does anyone have any advice for cleaning up the inter-action between gnome and my sound server? it seems choppy and chirpy.
[07:38] <concept10> sproingie, the unstable is in the repos
[07:39] <concept10> f_newton, You just hit a great point
[07:39] <melio> ubuntu has gnome/kde choices at install time right?
[07:39] <grover> and when they say unstable, they mean it
[07:39] <sproingie> concept10: yes it is, but when ubuntu says unstable it means it, whereas you can get away with running sid most of the time
[07:39] <levander> xkuseme: it looks like you didn't have this problem yesterday?
[07:39] <blackgecko> anyone knows what do i have to do to get rid of configure: error: termcap support not found im trying to install asterisk
[07:39] <BTJustice> So how do I update Firefox 1.0.2 to 1.0.6 correctly?
[07:39] <grover> melio: no, if you want kde get kubuntu
[07:39] <xkuseme> levander: correct, first time today
[07:39] <melio> grover, I want gnome
[07:39] <sproingie> you do not need kubuntu for kde
[07:39] <sproingie> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[07:39] <nickrud> melio, no, you can get the ubuntu disk, or the kubuntu disk; that's what you'll install. after install, you can have both
[07:40] <concept10> f_newton, I never installed FC4, it looks nice but seems to have stability issues
[07:40] <xkuseme> levander: do you see anything odd in the file?
[07:40] <melio> kde bothers me like a little sister with too many toys and she leaves em in the hall way and I step on the barbie heads and she screams and yells at me
[07:40] <sproingie> works from vanilla ubuntu just fine
[07:40] <f_newton> concept10, fc4 sux horribly
[07:40] <f_newton> at first it runs great then it degrades
[07:40] <nickrud> melio, best description of kde I've heard
[07:40] <sproingie> mmm like windows
[07:40] <skalpel> i noticed that the kubuntu install of kde seemed to look better than using install kubuntu-desktop. anyone have an idea of why?
[07:40] <f_newton> Ive had to install it about 11 times since it came out
[07:40] <melio> nickrud,  lol
[07:40] <skalpel> does anyone have any advice for cleaning up the inter-action between gnome and my sound server? it seems choppy and chirpy.
[07:40] <concept10> f_newton, have you had any problems with ubuntu yet?
[07:40] <skalpel> can i make my music player have priority over sound events in gnome?
[07:41] <f_newton> none to really speak of
[07:41] <sproingie> f_newton: i was going to try fc4, but the damn installer for it doesn't even support the most common onboard NIC amd64 users have (forcedeth)
[07:41] <f_newton> some problems with early cxoffice version
[07:41] <nickrud> skalpel, you can turn off sound events, if that's what you mean
[07:41] <melio> sproingie, my onobard nick works in it
[07:41] <melio> sproingie, msi motherboard
[07:41] <skalpel> nickrud: well no, i like the sound events, i just do not want them to interrupt my music player
[07:41] <f_newton> the problem with fedora is the people in charge in my opinion.... this is not a fact so dont take it as gospel
[07:41] <sproingie> f_newton: then i find they don't have anything like dist-upgrade, you're expected to just reinstall when fc5 comes out to get the new base configuration
[07:41] <nickrud> skalpel, not going to happen, all sounds are equal
[07:41] <levander> xkuseme: yeah, I'm preparing a paste for you now
[07:42] <sproingie> melio: asus motherboard.  nvidia chipset.  a good half of all amd64 motherboards i'd say
[07:42] <melio> I think fedora is more like running a beta. then they want to admit
[07:42] <f_newton> sproingie any upgrading is done at your own risk with usually bad results regardless of os ...windows mac or linux
[07:42] <skalpel> nickrud: ok. i guess that is a good thing in the long run
[07:42] <melio> sproingie,  via chipset here
[07:42] <xkuseme> levander: cool thanks
[07:42] <sproingie> f_newton: naw, it's usually seamless with debian
[07:42] <concept10> f_newton, I agree with that, thats in my opinion also, although Red Hat contributes alot to GNOME
[07:42] <BTJustice> So how do I update Firefox 1.0.2 to 1.0.6 correctly?
[07:42] <melio> sproingie,  I was actually afraid of nvidia chipsets when they came out for amd64
[07:42] <bluefoxicy> Real friggin' cute.
[07:42] <melio> sproingie, dono why. just fraidy cat I guess
[07:42] <bluefoxicy> the lights on cable modems are typically hooked up as passthrough for the data line, and LEDs have a very short rise/fall time for energizing, so they almost perfectly represent the bitstream of the transmissions.  Very nice.
[07:43] <f_newton> yeah gnome is the big reason ive stuck with redhat
[07:43] <concept10> BTJustice, disable backports and then uprade
[07:43] <bluefoxicy> in other words
[07:43] <BTJustice> http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/upgrade/
[07:43] <Burgundavia> sproingie, the upgrade path in ubuntu is about the best on any distro I have seen, but is far from perfect
[07:43] <sproingie> melio: they work dandy.  i'm astonished fc4's installer doesn't support them
[07:43] <f_newton> do you know how happy I am to find a debian based gnome distro?
[07:43] <BTJustice> concept10:  How do I do that?
[07:43] <melio> sproingie,  that is kinda odd actually.
[07:43] <bluefoxicy> if I want your IRC password (plaintext sent when you /identify), I could just use a telescope and some computer hardware I'd hack up, and have it read your cable modem's lights ;P
[07:43] <sproingie> Burgundavia: the upgrade mechanism comes from debian.  naturally it ain't perfect
[07:43] <bluefoxicy> very nice :P
[07:43] <skalpel> is there a way i can set a delay for programs loading on startup until after the desktop background has been set?
[07:43] <melio> mabye fedora's coders don't got the boards so they don't know how to support em
[07:43] <Burgundavia> sproingie, mostly you just need to iron out changes in programs
[07:44] <concept10> BTJustice, comment the backports repos in /etc/apt/sources.list or just un-check them in the repos section in Synaptic
[07:44] <f_newton> I am gonna run n get a burger...bbiaf
[07:44] <melio> f_newton, run and get a salad for me
[07:44] <concept10> f_newton, where you going?
[07:44] <BTJustice> How do you comment?  I am a n00b.
[07:44] <f_newton> melio ask questions...visit the ubuntu site etc check it out first but I love it so far
[07:44] <melio> but yet I'm lazy and ask people to get me food
[07:44] <melio> :P
[07:44] <melio> f_newton, I will. thanks
[07:45] <nickrud> BTJustice, may I pm you?
[07:45] <BTJustice> sure
[07:45] <f_newton> concept10, probably jack in the box why??? you out running around?
[07:45] <concept10> put a # in front of the repo
[07:45] <levander> xkuseme: I don't know how to fix it, but this information will probably help in your research http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/916
[07:45] <f_newton> if yer free concept10 I can take suggestions
[07:45] <concept10> f_newton, I need to make a food run myself, I just woke up
[07:45] <blackgecko> anyone knows what do i have to do to get rid of configure: error: termcap support not found im trying to install asterisk
[07:45] <levander> Anybody else who wants to look at it, it's a fairly neat summary of xkuseme's problem
[07:45] <f_newton> well ya wanna find a close dennys halfway or something?
[07:46] <f_newton> or whatever?
[07:46] <haffe> Hi, does anybody have the time to help me with fglrx?
[07:46] <sproingie> haffe: laptop or desktop?
[07:46] <haffe> desktop
[07:46] <levander> blackgecko: 'echo $TERM', what's it say?
[07:46] <f_newton> I got gas in the car n cash in my pocket
[07:46] <sproingie> haffe: fire away, maybe i can help
[07:46] <Burgundavia> haffe, have you look at wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto ?
[07:46] <concept10> f_newton, maybe later this week we may meetup, I have to get up early, I might just make a sandwich
[07:46] <f_newton> ok yer choice
[07:46] <concept10> Okay.
[07:46] <f_newton> then Im headed to jack in the box
[07:47] <blackgecko> levander: xterm
[07:47] <sproingie> haffe: oh yah, definitely look at BinaryDriverHowto first :)
[07:47] <f_newton> my stomach is making this funny growling noise
[07:47] <concept10> heh
[07:47] <f_newton> bbiaf
[07:47] <skalpel> f_newton: punch it a couple times
[07:47] <f_newton> no way
[07:47] <levander> actually blackgecko, that error may be saying you don't have the termcap libraries installed on your system?
[07:47] <skalpel> is there a way i can set a delay for programs loading on startup until after the desktop background has been set?
[07:47] <xkuseme> levander: thanks, i am looking thru it
[07:48] <haffe> sproingie, Now I have.
[07:48] <concept10> blackgecko, you might want to try the asterisk channel
[07:48] <levander> blackgecko: i'd try 'apt-cache search termcap' to see if anything comes up
[07:48] <levander> xkuseme: or use synaptic, which is the ubuntu recommended way of looking for it
[07:48] <toad3030> there anybody that can help me with p2p and my mouse pls, nobody in #cedega
[07:48] <blackgecko> levander: yeah but all ive found with apt-cache search termcap was termcap-compat and is installed
[07:48] <Burgundavia> skalpel, why do you want to do that?
[07:48] <xkuseme> levander: use synaptic for what
[07:49] <levander> xkuseme: no, sorry, that was meant for blackgecko
[07:49] <PurpleMotion> (AOL voice) You've got movies.
[07:49] <PurpleMotion> be back y'all
[07:49] <haffe> My problem is that I have installed the drivers, changed my xorg.conf, but when I restart I get the following. http://pastebin.com/328148
[07:49] <melio> concept10,  hey dude
[07:49] <concept10> melio, hey.. whats going on
[07:49] <melio> concept10,  I'm scared to install ubuntu.
[07:50] <concept10> melio, why?
[07:50] <toad3030> exit
[07:50] <concept10> melio, do you have broadband?
[07:50] <melio> well I'm worried I won't beable to run java and mp3 players and dvd n stuff
[07:50] <melio> yeah I got broadband
[07:50] <levander> blackgecko: try reading the documentation inclued with the distribution of asterik to see if there's some termcap library you need.  And if so, where can you download it.  Also, can do searchs on packages.ubuntu.com that are more extensive than 'apt-cache search' for termcap
[07:50] <skalpel> burgundavia: i have xchat set to use transparency but it does not work when i have it startup with gnome because it starts before the background gets set.
[07:50] <melio> I wanna use the illegal mp3 codecs n stuff
[07:50] <regeya> guh.
[07:50] <melio> and the united states goverment doesnt let linux be free
[07:51] <melio> lol
[07:51] <concept10> melio, you will be able to do all of that if you want
[07:51] <melio> ok so does it use repositories?
[07:51] <levander> mmmmm, melio, how does the united states govt not let linux be free?
[07:51] <melio> it's not rpm based right?
[07:51] <psychonate> debian-based
[07:51] <regeya> melio: add multiverse to your sources.list if you want to take responsibility for that
[07:51] <blackgecko> levander: thank you ill try that its the first time i get stuck installing it, ive done in other distros but this time i just get lost (not an ubuntu user)
[07:51] <skalpel> burgundavia: can you help me?
[07:51] <xkuseme> levander: is there a xorg log file?
[07:51] <melio> regeya,  way over my head man
[07:51] <concept10> melio, Yes. it uses repos but not rpms
[07:51] <melio> so it uses source?
[07:51] <levander> xkuseme: i'll look...
[07:52] <melio> does it compile everything like gentoo or something?
[07:52] <concept10> melio, .debs are precompiled
[07:52] <Madpilot> !repos
[07:52] <Burgundavia> skalpel, sorry, I have no idea how to do that
[07:52] <ubotu> I guess repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[07:52] <regeya> there's a handy howto on the ubuntu wiki, don't remember where
[07:52] <regeya> it's not strictly illegal, though it's shady
[07:52] <regeya> ianal
[07:52] <levander> xkuseme: yeah, look in /var/log for all your system log files
[07:52] <Madpilot> melio: see ubotu's post for more information on Ubuntu's repos
[07:52] <melio> debs are the packages for debian right?
[07:52] <Madpilot> ^^^
[07:52] <skalpel> can someoen tell me how to add a delay to a startup program in gnome?
[07:52] <levander> melio: yes
[07:52] <melio> are they better then rpm?
[07:52] <Madpilot> !mp3
[07:52] <ubotu> mp3 is probably read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[07:52] <melio> or just a clone of
[07:52] <Burgundavia> skalpel, you are actually running against what the devs are doing, because they are trying to parallelize the process
[07:53] <levander> skalpel: try #gnome, apparently no one here knows
[07:53] <concept10> melio, I promise you, you will enjoy .debs better than .rpms, they configure and install much cleaner
[07:53] <melio> I'm guessing if you build a package manager. you try to beat the competition :P
[07:53] <melio> concept10,  excellent
[07:53] <concept10> melio, what kind of box do you have?
[07:53] <melio> I'm just sick of "hat everything"
[07:53] <redtech__> what is the linux way to share directories?  not with/for windows.  Or is the use of samba just the easiest?
[07:53] <melio> concept10,  amd64 2.0ghz 1gig ram, 200gig hd
[07:54] <jasoncohen> melio, they are better at handling dependencies because debs all for conflicts and dependencies as well as recommends and suggests. the quality of deb packages and the apt-get system/synaptic is probably the best package management system available in linux
[07:54] <melio> geforce 6800
[07:54] <levander> xkuseme: /var/log/kern.log may have the reason you're freezing too.  It's the kernels private log.
[07:54] <batman> Hi, I need some tips on Nautilus, pm me plz !!
[07:54] <jasoncohen> *debs allow for
[07:54] <melio> jasoncohen,  thanks
[07:54] <concept10> melio, the install will take 25 mins or less, let'er rip
[07:54] <melio> I appreicate a person who can type and not get kicked by a floodbot
[07:54] <jasoncohen> melio, i loved apt-get after transferring from mandake. synaptic is much better than the gui crap in mandrake
[07:54] <sproingie> uh, deb doesn't handle deps any more than rpm does
[07:54] <jasoncohen> faster, more powerful and easier to use
[07:54] <levander> redtech__: nfs is an alternative that's supposed to be faster than samba.  But, when connecting with Windows machine, samba is supposed to be more stable.
[07:54] <melio> 89% complete on the download
[07:54] <sproingie> please don't conflate .deb with apt
[07:54] <concept10> redtech__, why are you logged in three times?
[07:55] <melio> and rod stewart is streaming. (I refuse to say podcast)
[07:55] <jasoncohen> melio, sproingie is right. you can use apt with rpm packages
[07:55] <redtech__> my laptop just died.  one shuold ping out. and I forgot to logout from work =)
[07:55] <auk> hmm, could someone please explain to me or give me a link to the philosophy behind nto adding new features to software in repositories after a distro release?
[07:55] <melio> yeah I'v used apt with rpm
[07:55] <redtech__> levander, thanks
[07:55] <melio> auk: that's opensource
[07:55] <Ianpeters> hello, can anyone help me with Nautilus?
[07:55] <levander> auk: so that you can have more features after the release
[07:56] <sproingie> auk: stability.  you cannot guarantee that the API didn't change between patchlevels.  hell, the linux kernel is notorious for it
[07:56] <nickrud> auk, basically, stable means even the bugs stay: you work around them, because they're dependable
[07:56] <melio> concept10,  do you accept the terminology of "podcast"
[07:56] <xkuseme> levander: in the kernel log is there anything that i shouldn't paste into a forum?
[07:56] <melio> you do realize it's apple marketing that deems anything streaming as a podcast. and only media refers to as that
[07:56] <auk> sproingie: is not it mroe work to create a complete new version, integratign security features only?
[07:56] <sproingie> auk: by not adding feature releases, you can focus on patching the existing release instead of letting third party developers use the stable system as a playground
[07:56] <concept10> melio, yeah for the CNN crowd or people that are into market buzzwords
[07:56] <melio> cnn crowd uses MACS
[07:56] <melio> they belive in apple buzz words
[07:57] <levander> xkuseme: no idea, i don't think so, only thing i'd be worried about is networking daemons config, and maybe their logging
[07:57] <melio> because they're stupid
[07:57] <windex> auk, the primary reason is that it makes it easier to split up in-development tasks. you set a goal for the next release, and try to hit that goal. if you try to backport all your changes to the last version, it's more problems than it's worth, imho.
[07:57] <sproingie> auk: security patches tend to be released separately for most major apps
[07:57] <levander> xkuseme: i'm gonna have to go to bed soon. It's very late in the USA.
[07:57] <melio> windex.. dude
[07:57] <auk> sproingie: seperately of what?
[07:57] <concept10> Ianpeters, what is your problem
[07:57] <sproingie> auk: but yeah sometimes it's a bit gratuitous.  firefox is like that.  but the funny thing is, they just updated firefox to a non-security release with features ... and it broke
[07:57] <sproingie> auk: separately from feature releases
[07:57] <auk> windex: i am not talkign about core thigns, liek kernel etc
[07:57] <auk> gtg
[07:58] <melio> windoex same windex on efnet right?
[07:58] <windex> melio, i sell dell's. did you need one?
[07:58] <auk> sorry, i'll be back later
[07:58] <melio> windex: efnet?
[07:58] <windex> erm, not really?
[07:58] <sproingie> auk: backports deals with feature releases, and it's now an official project
[07:58] <melio> oh ok I know your counterpart :P
[07:58] <windex> i am windex.org windex.
[07:58] <Ianpeters> concept10, is there a way to NOT have Nautilus resize to a small window everytime you start it?
[07:58] <levander> Is it the impression that the fedora guys have to deal with more problems because they release new functionality into their released version?
[07:58] <sproingie> fedora's newer, is all
[07:58] <windex> k, afk -- gotta move keyboard to other box temp.
[07:58] <melio> he's the ownedbywindex.com guy
[07:59] <jasoncohen> sproingie, yeah but the security team is using the new upstream release for firefox products because it's so damn difficult to backport the security fixes and there are so many of them and so often
[07:59] <sproingie> and frankly, fedora's got a lot more interesting tech, like selinux
[07:59] <levander> sproingie: so, there's no perceived benefit of freezing features in the industry?
[07:59] <sproingie> 'course the gimped installer and the lack of dist-upgrade kept me from fedora
[07:59] <jasoncohen> sproingie, that's why warty's firefox never got patched...it received fixes for 53 CVE's last week!
[07:59] <levander> fedora's been around longer, ubuntu's working on some neat things
[07:59] <melio> only a subaru owner would read Drive
[07:59] <melio> lol
[07:59] <TheSham> could anyone in here help me with ndiswrapper? everyone in it's channel has been idle for atleast 8 hours. I've installed it but can't get the drivers installed
[07:59] <nickrud> sproingie, if you're willing to be a testbed, fedora seems ok
[07:59] <sproingie> levander: feature freezes are a way of life in the industry.  they're a novelty in the open source world
[08:00] <concept10> Ianpeters, small window?  im not sure about that.. I do not see any options
[08:00] <levander> sproingie: but if fedora seems no less stable than ubuntu, what's the point?
[08:00] <sproingie> levander: the linux kernel itself is the worst offender.  a 0.0.1 release will make drastic changes to API's
[08:00] <concept10> TheSham, what card do you have
[08:00] <levander> sproingie: ah, didn't know that about the kernel
[08:00] <Ianpeters> concept10, neither do I but it's irritating that nautilus doesn't remember windowsize....or have I missed something?
[08:00] <jasoncohen> levander, is fedora actually that stable?
[08:00] <TheSham> it's a usb adapet, netgear WG111
[08:00] <lenoxmo>  fiona
[08:00] <lenoxmo> ups
[08:00] <Shish> What's the grub command line option to set runlevel? I want to be able to choose "boot to X" or "boot to multi-user text" from grub, but I can only get X and single-user text :|
[08:01] <skalpel> how do i install a windows border theme?
[08:01] <sproingie> levander: it's stable, but how stable does it remain over time, and how easy is it to maintain over time, that's the question
[08:01] <concept10> Ianpeters, increase the default zoom
[08:01] <levander> jasoncohen: no idea, i've never used it.  Was going to try it, but noticed the support community on the internet is much better for ubuntu than fedora.
[08:01] <concept10> Ianpeters, do you mean spatial ?
[08:01] <Razor-X> hmmmm
[08:01] <Razor-X> I can't edit my XFce settings
[08:01] <sproingie> levander: fc4 didn't even support the last kernel revision to support fglrx just before release.  i've no idea whether it made it in by release time or not
[08:02] <levander> jasoncohen: not only #ubuntu vs. #fedora, but also #debian vs. #rhel.  I got to debian sometimes for questions.  #rhel is flat dead.
[08:02] <jasoncohen> the problem with fedora is that their base of packages is quite small - extras and main. many packages must be gotten from unoffiicial and often conflicting sources. mp3 support from livna which conflicts with dag which has openvpn, webmin which conflicts with axel (which is generally horrible) that has nessus and myth etc.
[08:02] <anwar> hi, why does my resolv.conf keep changing after some time?sometimes i can't acess the net because of it.i used pppoeconf to connect to the net btw.
[08:02] <TheSham> concept10: I downloaded the reccomended driver, but my problem is this, When I try to open ndiswrapper under util, nothing happens and when I run it in a terminal it immediately dissapears. I'm not sure how it works, i'm assuming since there is no actual app open that it is a service, so i tried ndiswrapper -i <filename> and I get ndiswrapper not a command
[08:02] <sproingie> jasoncohen: oh god yes, i forgot about that mess
[08:02] <levander> sproingie: but the way they do things, can't they release fglrx after they make their release?
[08:02] <HrdwrBoB> anwar: DHCP will change it
[08:02] <Ianpeters> concept10, no, not spatial. I mean, whenever I open Nautilus it's resized to a small window. I want it to start maximized
[08:02] <jasoncohen> levander, the people in #debian are very knowledgable but also often very arrogant, unhelpful and mean
[08:02] <HrdwrBoB> anwar: and ppp connections that set the DNS
[08:02] <concept10> TheSham, ndiswrapper is a driver wrapper
[08:03] <deprave_> hihihi!
[08:03] <sproingie> levander: fat lot of good it does me if it doesn't work tho
[08:03] <Burgundavia> levander, releasing a new fglrx may require kernel changes, etc.
[08:03] <concept10> !ndiswrapper
[08:03] <ubotu> well, ndiswrapper is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[08:03] <levander> anwar: dhclient.conf changes it.    But, really, I've never had a problem with them. Might be that I'm pretty thick skinned?
[08:03] <concept10> Ianpeters, Oh, okay, I have no idea on how to do that
[08:03] <sproingie> Burgundavia: god knows every patchlevel to the kernel requires fglrx changes.  they just rearranged the agp and pci api for whatever reason between 2.6.10 and 2.6.12
[08:03] <Razor-X> gpd: I liked it on my other distros
[08:03] <Ianpeters> ok thx
[08:03] <anwar> HrdwrBoB: it's all ok on startup but I suddenly noticed that I can't browse or do anything and when I check the resolv.conf I don't see my dns servers there.i only see <IP_ADDRESS>(my gateway ip)
[08:04] <jasoncohen> sproingie, fc4 got horrible reviews for multimedia - crappy sound problems (crackling with sblive) and very severe issues even getting DVDs to play
[08:04] <Burgundavia> sproingie, linus and co don't care about binary drivers. It is too hard to support them
[08:04] <TheSham> concept10: I've been following the wiki and all is good up to this point, except the next step says  use ndiswrapper tool to install the driver with "ndiswrapper -i filename.inf", i tried that in a terminal and i get "ndiswrapper is not a command", or something to that affect
[08:04] <levander> sproingie: so, basically, your criticism of fedora isn't there release model, but that they don't stay on top of getting some applications packaged that you think they should?
[08:04] <sproingie> Burgundavia: apparently he doesn't even care about the source parts of drivers, since he can't keep an API stable between *patchlevels*
[08:04] <anwar> levander:maybe, how do i fix it?
[08:04] <melio> levander, repository wars don't help
[08:05] <levander> jasoncohen: that about fc4 does make it sound like redhat's not staying on top of things with fedora
[08:05] <concept10> TheSham, did you install or compile _ndiswrapper_ ?
[08:05] <melio> levander,  OS is fine, patches are slow
[08:05] <sproingie> Burgundavia: i'm not asking for a stable abi, but a stable source level api between 0.0.x revisions isn't too much to ask for
[08:05] <levander> melio: i'm not starting a war, i'm trying to get an opinion.
[08:05] <nickrud> linux 2.6, the unstable one.
[08:05] <melio> levander,  noo. There's Wars amongst repositories.. some will break your os
[08:06] <levander> anwar: not sure, sorry, just thought it would help to maybe help you localize your problem
[08:06] <melio> levander,  repo owners tend to fight. and one standard doesnt pass to another repo. so it'll trash your box
[08:06] <f_newton> yeah
[08:06] <melio> so you gotta know. first hand. who runs the good repos with fedora. or your Os will crap out. period
[08:06] <Razor-X> hmmm, can anyone help me get XFce running?
[08:06] <levander> melio: what are you talking about?
[08:06] <melio> inside knowledge like that .. is not posted anywhere either
[08:06] <f_newton> the infighting with fc4 right now reminds me of a debian chat room
[08:06] <concept10> levander, that is a true statement that melio said... Thats why I like ubuntu, everything is consolidated
[08:06] <TheSham> concept10: yes, I did, I followed the install wiki and compiled it into the kernel source. although on the make I got a couple errors saying gcc command not found, or whatever the error is
[08:06] <anwar> levander:ok thanks. btw dhclient.conf is empty
[08:06] <melio> levander,  do you know what repositories are?
[08:06] <levander> melio: oh, fedora has repository wars, now I understand.
[08:06] <melio> ok
[08:07] <melio> But it's an inside politics gig thing
[08:07] <concept10> TheSham, that means you didnt compile it
[08:07] <sproingie> hm, there's badly maintained debs as well, giving you only one source to screw things up
[08:07] <stian> what was the command to show program and cpu usage?
[08:07] <concept10> TheSham, you need build-essential
[08:07] <melio> you gotta be cool with the concept that repos are ran by people, and people don't follow standards
[08:07] <levander> melio: all I use is official ubuntu repositories here, not even backports.  I'd probably do the same if I went to fedora with redhat repositories.
[08:07] <sproingie> ghci for example.  segfaults on startup
[08:07] <f_newton> yeah they are after some grand glorious Im head cheese award or something
[08:07] <melio> levander,  see that's important.. offical ubuntu means something
[08:07] <melio> offical fedora repos don't supply ALL the software
[08:07] <jasoncohen> levander, ubuntu has a HUGE advantage over RH
[08:07] <jasoncohen> levander, over fedora i mean
[08:07] <levander> melio: they don't have official Red Hat repositories for fedora?
[08:07] <melio> yes they do
[08:08] <concept10> TheSham, this is a better wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[08:08] <levander> jasoncohen: okay, what is this huge advantage?
[08:08] <melio> but they only support very little software on them
[08:08] <TheSham> concept10: what is build-essential? the wiki said make distclean, make, make install should compile and install both the kernel module and userspcae utilities
[08:08] <Shish> stian: top shows an updating table of processes which is good to glance at, ps is more flexible for specific detail
[08:08] <f_newton> debian based?
[08:08] <jasoncohen> levander, debian
[08:08] <f_newton> heh
[08:08] <sproingie> debian is its own blessing and curse
[08:08] <melio> levander,  a full install of fedora is about what you will find on offical fedora repos
[08:08] <jasoncohen> levander, ubuntu can take any of debian's 16,000+ packages and all they have to do is slightly modify the dependencies
[08:08] <grover> how is it a curse?
[08:08] <levander> melio: that's fuckin scarry.  I assumed that Red Hat's fedora repositories would be a lot like ubuntu's repositories.
[08:08] <melio> levander,  additional things that popup later will most likly be on the next release cycle
[08:08] <concept10> TheSham, review that... You must have development tools to be able to compile it
[08:09] <levander> jasoncohen: good point
[08:09] <levander> melio: oh, that is bad.
[08:09] <melio> levander,  I wouldnt know the differnce. I just now finished the 32bit version install cd. so I dono :P
[08:09] <jasoncohen> levander, fedora has about 1800 packages...ubuntu has 16000
[08:09] <f_newton> heh I took a rh rpm and used alien (thanks to concept10) and made it a ubuntu deb package
[08:09] <melio> levander,  add the wrong repo and you can waste your box with fedora
[08:09] <melio> it's happened to many
[08:09] <melio> including me
[08:09] <melio> brb
[08:09] <f_newton> even with the so called right repo melio
[08:09] <melio> yep
[08:10] <jasoncohen> levander, if you want some uncommon packages, you will face a nightmare on fedora
[08:10] <melio> thats why I said "a terrorist could kill linux boxes with control over a repo"
[08:10] <levander> melio: You mean you don't know how much software the Red Hat fedora repositories have? What is it that you wouldn't know?
[08:10] <levander> melio: The wrong repo can do the same with ubuntu.
[08:10] <melio> levander,  I'm running fedora
[08:10] <f_newton> levander they add packages to the extras repo daily
[08:10] <melio> I'v never booted ubuntu
[08:10] <melio> I'm about to burn an install cd now
[08:10] <crispynix-v6> melio: that's why all(?) packages are signed these days and apt 0.6.x lets you know if they're not.
[08:10] <melio> I'll compare it later :P
[08:10] <jasoncohen> levander, for example, if you want openvpn from dag you can't install amarok from extras because the 2 repos don't work together. dag has lots of good stuff but it prevents you from using livna/extras which is more official/more reliable
[08:11] <levander> jasoncohen: Think I'm gonna start a list of the applications I use under ubuntu, and start seeing if they have it under fedora in the redhat repositories.  Only thing I know of that they don't have that I use is svk.
[08:11] <jasoncohen> levander, also, fc4 was released quite a while ago in june and dag and other unofficial repos still don't have packages for fc4
[08:11] <crispynix-v6> melio: well, all packages from official repos. 3rd-party repo maintainers usually don't bother.
[08:11] <crispynix-v6> melio: (you have to use apt-key add etc. to add their keys manually)
[08:11] <f_newton> jasoncohen, yes they do
[08:12] <levander> jasoncohen: are dag and extras both official Red Hat repositories for fedora?
[08:12] <melio> crispynix-v6, right. same with yum
[08:12] <f_newton> no
[08:12] <melio> keys don't matter
[08:12] <melio> sure you got the right stuff
[08:12] <levander> jasoncohen: dag is just a commonly used repository for fedora?
[08:12] <melio> but that doesnt mean the repo manager puts the packages together with a standard
[08:12] <jasoncohen> levander, let's see- off the top of my head, fedora doesn't have gaim-otr, openvpn, webmin, nessus
[08:12] <melio> levander,  yes
[08:12] <melio> dag weirs
[08:12] <jasoncohen> levander, yeah- dag isn't official
[08:12] <f_newton> thats the problem there is no standard
[08:12] <levander> jasoncohen: don't use any of those
[08:12] <sproingie> dag is not an official repo, but dag is really good at packaging
[08:12] <melio> same with atrpms
[08:12] <windex> random words of advice: if you buy a glass desk, your optical mouse won't work.
[08:13] <f_newton> atrpms are terrible
[08:13] <f_newton> lol windex
[08:13] <sproingie> dag's stuff is quite good
[08:13] <levander> windex: mouse pad
[08:13] <melio> windex: unless you spraypaint a mousepad image under it like I did
[08:13] <crispynix-v6> melio: indeed, you could get something nasty from official repositories, but with digital signing and non-anonymous maintainers, it'd be easy to track down the weakest link.
[08:13] <jasoncohen> f_newton, atrpms are the worst
[08:13] <f_newton> yes
[08:13] <jasoncohen> f_newton, they can trash a system
[08:13] <nickrud> windex, I found that out this week :)
[08:13] <jasoncohen> like using marillat on ubuntu, heh
[08:13] <f_newton> they do trash many a system
[08:13] <windex> levander, i haven't owned one for YEARS. i wound up having to put down a piece of paper and use masking tape to secure it
[08:13] <melio> brb
[08:13] <levander> lol windex
[08:13] <windex> ill buy a mouse pad next time i see one :D
[08:14] <levander> gotta sleep guys, very late in USA
[08:14] <windex> the good news is that my new desk is quite sexy.
[08:14] <nickrud> windex, you will need a lot of you, I think
[08:14] <windex> glass + steel = mmm.
[08:14] <Razor-X> I think i'm going to reinstall xfce
[08:14] <f_newton> I spent two days with yum in an endless loop of errors trying to update my fedora... when I asked for help I got the old "well it works for me" and the "its your fault" bit from the gurus
[08:15] <windex> nickrud, meh. lame joke!
[08:15] <jasoncohen> f_newton, on debian, basically everything but the illegal multimedia codecs are packaged officially- and obviously the same for ubuntu
[08:15] <Razor-X> brb people
[08:15] <nickrud> best kind
[08:15] <f_newton> jasoncohen, I like the way deb updates and operates
[08:15] <sproingie> yum has improved lately, but golly is it ever pokey on everything prior to fc4
[08:15] <jasoncohen> f_newton, the only advantage to fedora i can see is that they have security support on more apps and you get new upstream versions
[08:15] <esac> are there any gui tools for doing traffic shaping/QoS  ?
[08:15] <f_newton> but until ubuntu never found a native gnome distro
[08:15] <windex> http://www.studiorta.com/catalog/details.cfm?catalog_id=223 <-- desk. :D
[08:15] <f_newton> selinux is a good idea jasoncohen
[08:15] <jasoncohen> f_newton, yeah- i used KDE before using ubuntu
[08:15] <windex> although i put the keyboard tray on the other side.
[08:15] <sproingie> esac: there may be webmin modules
[08:16] <esac> webmin ?
[08:16] <jasoncohen> f_newton, true- how is their implementation?
[08:16] <Razor-X> back
[08:16] <f_newton> pretty good
[08:16] <jasoncohen> is ubuntu planning to use selinux at any point?
[08:16] <sproingie> esac: webmin is a nice web-based control panel app
[08:16] <Razor-X> I like KDE, it's nice
[08:16] <esac> ah cool taking a look
[08:16] <sproingie> esac: does nearly everything you can imagine
[08:16] <nickrud> pretty, my steel has holes drilled through it, more industrial
[08:16] <f_newton> yeah weve been thru this already Razor-X
[08:17] <Razor-X> f_newton: yeah, XFce went bonkers on me
[08:17] <f_newton> sorry
[08:17] <f_newton> I really like gnome so I choose a distro that bases its wm on it
[08:17] <Razor-X> eh?
[08:17] <Razor-X> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[08:17] <Razor-X> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[08:17] <Razor-X> what's up with that?
[08:18] <esac> can i just apt-get install webmin ?
[08:18] <windex> Razor-X, you're either not root or you're running apt/aptitude/synaptic more than once.
[08:18] <Razor-X> never mind ;)
[08:18] <concept10> jasoncohen, yes. ubuntu is working on it.  There is also HardendDebiam
[08:18] <Razor-X> windex: yeah, I ran it together
[08:18] <sproingie> what. the. hell.
[08:18] <windex> Razor-X, bad razor-x.
[08:18] <Razor-X> i'll use zsh's included stuff for that then
[08:18] <jasoncohen> concept10, just read the selinux breezy goal
[08:19] <jasoncohen> concept10, looks like lots of interesting new features will be in breezy...can't wait
[08:19] <windex> i really wish people wouldn't use selinux. sigh.
[08:19] <sproingie> i want to install gtk-qt on the 32bit side, and it insists on pulling down all of perl, libflac, and kdelibs to go with it
[08:19] <jasoncohen> windex, why?
[08:20] <windex> jasoncohen, i prefer to use grsecurity, and selinux is largely incompatible and incomplete in comparison.
[08:20] <melio> how come there's no md5 keys for these cds that you can download for ubantu installs
[08:21] <melio> wait found em int he dir
[08:21] <windex> melio, i beleive there is a signature for them on the mirror sites..
[08:21] <windex> melio, damn, beat me.
[08:21] <melio> yeah not on the webpage tho
[08:21] <melio> but the mirror is on the page at the bottom. too lazy to look there I guess.
[08:21] <jasoncohen> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/PackageDependencyManagement looks really good. synaptic will then have the same ability to remove a package + it's unneeded dependencies
[08:21] <jasoncohen> like aptitude can currently
[08:22] <windex> jasoncohen, as long as ubuntu's method of using selinux does not break the entire system if a kernel is not built with selinux enabled (like redhat enterprise does).. i'll be fine. :)
[08:22] <nickrud> jasoncohen, the last line is very relevant
[08:22] <jasoncohen> you can easily disable it in fedora
[08:22] <sproingie> windex: how does grsecurity compare to rsbac?
[08:23] <windex> sproingie, i've never used rsbac.
[08:23] <deprave_> konsole rocks, thanks whoever suggested it
[08:23] <deprave_> how do i save the settings
[08:23] <melio> why do they call ubuntu voodoo linux?
[08:23] <melio> "voodoo"
[08:23] <sproingie> windex: it was like the original before selinux came around and linus blessed it
[08:23] <jasoncohen> nickrud, well, aptitude's interface isn't exactly attractive. if synaptic could do what aptitude could, it would be even better than it is now
[08:23] <sproingie> melio: i don't know, because it rhymes?
[08:23] <melio> I'v heard it several times
[08:23] <windex> sproingie, i've been using grsecurity for almost as long as it's existed, so i suppose i'm a little biased. :)
[08:23] <jasoncohen> and it's currently the best gui tool for installing/upgrading and removing packages on any distro i've used
[08:23] <melio> ubuntu and voodoo. oh I can see that
[08:23] <esac> ok. ive installed webmin. how do i connect to it ?
[08:23] <f_newton> as far as I am concerned ... an os has to work and be stable enough for me to run my ministry on
[08:24] <f_newton> i simply cant be reinstalling every other day or worrying about what updates are good or bad
[08:24] <sproingie> it's african, people figure all africans are witch doctors with bones through their noses
[08:24] <concept10> esac, yourip:10000
[08:24] <melio> sproingie, how is it african?
[08:25] <melio> does that make fedora redneck?
[08:25] <melio> cause it's made in north carolina?
[08:25] <windex> sproingie, selinux and grsecurity have diffrent methods, though. selinux is about containing damage and access during a successful compromise. grsecurity is about both preventing an application exploit from functioning _and_ containing damage after a successful compromise.
[08:25] <sproingie> melio: uh... it's an african word.  the distro's home is based in south africa.
[08:25] <melio> sproingie,  isnt that spelled afrikan then?
[08:25] <sproingie> melio: if you're dutch i suppose.  it's not an afrikaans word tho
[08:26] <f_newton> sproingie, that is bullshit
[08:26] <f_newton> sorry for the languag3e
[08:26] <nickrud> jasoncohen, as far as I've been able to see, synaptic can do all that aptitude can, just not as easily
[08:26] <f_newton> most of africa is desert and there aint no bones to be had
[08:26] <f_newton> dung beetles maybe
[08:26] <f_newton> see what happens when ya cut down all the trees?
[08:26] <jasoncohen> nickrud, new users want a gui usuaully and synaptic fills that role
[08:26] <nickrud> jasoncohen, so, I try to translate :)
[08:26] <jasoncohen> i personally like apt-get - i just wish it could remove unneeded dependencies
[08:26] <concept10> esac, did you get it?
[08:26] <melio> sproingie,  I'm not dutch :P
[08:26] <jasoncohen> it's faster than aptitude and can download source & build from source, get build dependencies, show source & package info - more than aptitude can do
[08:26] <melio> ok lemme boot this and see how it works
[08:26] <melio> wish me luck
[08:26] <sproingie> f_newton: yep, just commenting on stereotypes
[08:26] <concept10> jasoncohen, why dont you use aptitude from cmd line?
[08:26] <f_newton> I know a few afrikanners that live here in texas.... very nasty minded people these guyz are
[08:26] <jasoncohen> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemUpgradeTool should make distribution upgrades easier
[08:26] <sproingie> f_newton: afrikaaners or texans?
[08:26] <melio> texans are worse :P
[08:27] <concept10> jasoncohen, sudo aptitude remove foo
[08:27] <f_newton> uh apartheid escapees
[08:27] <sproingie> lyndon johnson was a texan, he rocked
[08:27] <jasoncohen> concept10, other than removing unneeded dependencies i have no reason to and i find apt-get faster
[08:27] <f_newton> part of the old dutch afrikanners
[08:27] <windex> i used to work with a peurto rican who was raised in texas and he was a .. colorful individual.
[08:27] <jasoncohen> concept10, and because of apt's bug, apt & aptitude can't be used together
[08:27] <sproingie> f_newton: can't paint 'em all with that brush.  mark shuttleworth is a south africa native too
[08:27] <jasoncohen> concept10, can aptitude and synaptic be safely used together?
[08:27] <nickrud> sudo aptitude purge foo
[08:28] <sproingie> f_newton: well not "native".  white south african that is
[08:28] <nickrud> jasoncohen, that is the 64 dollar question
[08:28] <windex> jasoncohen, apt's bug? i've been using aptitude for everything on both ubuntu and sarge.
[08:28] <windex> jasoncohen, but i wasn't aware apt was buggy.
[08:28] <sproingie> tho "shuttleworth" doesn't really sound too dutch
[08:28] <f_newton> I was told that afrikanner is a certain type of dutch settler who espouses the apartheid philosophy
[08:28] <concept10> jasoncohen, yes, but not at the same time I would *presume*  I used aptitude to correct my firefox problems
[08:28] <jasoncohen> windex, if you use apt & aptitude together, aptitude's cache will get horribly out of wack and it will try installing random packages you have removed
[08:28] <esac> got it, thanks concept10  .. was busy trying to get traffic shaping working
[08:28] <esac> im tired of downloading torrents during the day and not being able to ssh in :)
[08:28] <concept10> esac, np
[08:28] <f_newton> those guys make a texas redneck look liberal
[08:28] <jasoncohen> windex, even after an aptitude update...the problem can only be removed by purging and re-installing aptitude
[08:28] <windex> jasoncohen, that's no good. ah well, as it turns out, i don't use apt. :)
[08:29] <nickrud> I've wondered, but not enought to test, does synaptic and aptitude maintain the same database for removing unused packages?
[08:29] <sproingie> nickrud: yes, they're both just front-ends to the apt database
[08:29] <windex> jasoncohen, why does debian / ubuntu ship both apt and aptitude? my understanding was that aptitude is a replacement for apt.
[08:29] <nickrud> sproingie, so is apt-get, but, aptitude maintains something extra
[08:29] <GudyUbuntu> hi, could someone help me regarding opengl? I'd like to know the module that corresponds to openGL, I've find freeglut but it seems that this one is in fact simply a module on top of openGL. The reason I'm asking is that in order to compile some ogl librairies, it sounds like I have to recompile ogl with the option -fPIC
[08:29] <sproingie> windex: apt is not an application
[08:29] <jasoncohen> windex, it is
[08:30] <sproingie> windex: apt is the whole system.  aptitude is an app for it
[08:30] <jasoncohen> windex, you shoul duse aptitude or apt-get
[08:30] <Iceman-AMD64> Need more 64 bit software ...
[08:30] <sproingie> windex: and aptitude doesn't have super-cow powers, apt-get does
[08:30] <concept10> everything the common person want to know about apt:http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html
[08:30] <f_newton> yeah well Iceman-AMD64 wait and there will be as time goes omn
[08:30] <f_newton> uh on
[08:30] <nickrud> libapt is what apt-get and aptitude an synaptic use
[08:30] <windex> sproingie, ... super-cow powers.
[08:30] <jasoncohen> anyways, i'm off to get sleep
[08:30] <concept10> !apt
[08:30] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, apt is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetHowTo/
[08:30] <sproingie> windex: apt-get moo
[08:30] <sproingie> windex: aptitude moo
[08:31] <Iceman-AMD64> f_newton whats out there now .... any links you can guide me to
[08:31] <jasoncohen> anyone know how the gdmroadmap is going?
[08:31] <windex> sproingie, someone spent too much time on that.
[08:31] <nickrud> dependency handling is what libapt is about, the rest just use it
[08:31] <f_newton> not me sorry... I run 32bit ststems
[08:31] <jasoncohen> it's a bounty but it's shown as deferred
[08:31] <sproingie> windex: aptitude does have minesweeper built in tho
[08:31] <jasoncohen> sorry...pending
[08:31] <f_newton> but as 64 gets more prevalent so will the apps for it
[08:31] <Iceman-AMD64> just moved up myself ... so on the hunt ...;)
[08:31] <Razor-X> hahahaha!!!!
[08:31] <windex> sproingie, nevermind. 'moo' is minor compared to including minesweeper.
[08:31] <Razor-X> I removed aptitude
[08:32] <Razor-X> OMG, that was so stupid
[08:32] <Razor-X> it is in the repos, right?
[08:32] <sproingie> Razor-X: apt-get install it, no biggie
[08:32] <TheSham> concept10: i ran into a little trouble with that wiki at this command: sed -e "s/misc/kernel\/drivers\/net\/ndiswrapper/g" debian/rules > debian/temp.  What page are you using?
[08:32] <nickrud> Razor-X, just get back ubuntu-base, aptitude will follow :)
[08:33] <esac> concept10: i am getting access denied when trying to connect .. i put https://user:pass@host:10000/
[08:33] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, current nobody is working on it, afaics
[08:33] <TheSham> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[08:33] <concept10> TheSham, the format is wrong
[08:33] <TheSham> step five
[08:33] <windex> sproingie, even if you remove dpkg you can recover by using a horribly long and tedious process of uncompressing the deb file and going through the setup steps manually.
[08:33] <Gorth> what's ubuntu's version of update-env
[08:33] <sproingie> windex: yeah but life sucks in the meantime
[08:33] <concept10> esac, you have to edit the Allow section in the config file
[08:33] <concept10> esac, gimme a sec
[08:33] <fortyoz> anyone know why i can't install ubuntu-desktop from a base woody -> hoary ?
[08:34] <TheSham> concept10: what is the proper command?
[08:34] <sproingie> Gorth: debconf i think.  it's not quite the same, sometimes it's better sometimes it's worse
[08:34] <Gorth> thanks sproingie
[08:34] <sproingie> Gorth: you never run it manually
[08:34] <Gorth> :O
[08:34] <Gorth> why not
[08:34] <concept10> TheSham, could you give me a link to the page you are using?
[08:34] <windex> sproingie, one time when 'woody' was telling people to upgrade dpkg, one of my coworkers went, what the hell is that, i don't need that... it wouldn't let him remove it, so he force removed it.. then realized what he'd done. :)
[08:34] <sproingie> Gorth: it runs automatically
[08:34] <TheSham> concept10: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[08:34] <f_newton> heck I am almost completely set up with my ubuntu install and it only took two days
[08:34] <f_newton> thats pretty good
[08:34] <Gorth> i just installed glib, but the ./configure for xmms says i still don't have glib installed!
[08:35] <nickrud> Gorth, why not just aptitude install xmms?
[08:35] <Gorth> when i did that the xmms was screwy
[08:35] <TheSham> concept10: it's step 5
[08:35] <Gorth> when i clicked play
[08:35] <Gorth> the button would stay depressed
[08:35] <Gorth> and it wouldn't respond to anything
[08:35] <viyyer> is it ok to upgrade from warty to hoary ?
[08:35] <f_newton> where are these names coming from?
[08:36] <f_newton> good lord
[08:36] <f_newton> warty hoary woody
[08:36] <f_newton> lol
[08:36] <viyyer> hehe
[08:36] <nickrud> rodents and toys
[08:36] <windex> f_newton, gotta name them something. debian uses characters from toy story.
[08:36] <sproingie> alliterative too
[08:36] <sproingie> i'm waiting for "wascally wabbit"
[08:36] <Gorth> any suggestions for my xmms woes :(
[08:37] <nickrud> Gorth, it's probably sound server issues
[08:37] <concept10> TheSham, try this instead        sed -e "s/misc/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/g" debian/rules > debian/temp
[08:37] <Gorth> doggone
[08:37] <Gorth> i thought my sound was workin fine!
[08:37] <nickrud> and cheap sound chips thrown in
[08:37] <sproingie> there's supposed to be a permanent experimental fork to replace the ever-changing names of the unstable
[08:37] <sproingie> i believe they're calling that one "Grumpy Groundhog"
[08:37] <TheSham> concept10: there was a specific error with that other command when it got to the "s part, it wasn't a recognized flag or something
[08:37] <sproingie> more like experimental than sid tho
[08:37] <windex> sproingie, that makes me feel pain.
[08:37] <TheSham> should I try it anyway?
[08:38] <sproingie> debian experimental should be called babyface.  it makes me think of that spider creature
[08:38] <viyyer> is it possible to have a smooth distupgrade from 4.0 to 5.0 ??
[08:38] <sproingie> far as i know it doesnt have a name tho
[08:38] <nickrud> Gorth, if your sound is working fine (the login sound, for example) try changing the option for sound output in xmms to esound
[08:39] <concept10> esac, use this http://webmin.com/faq.html
[08:39] <Gorth> thanks nickrud
[08:39] <concept10> TheSham, remove the s  and see what it does
[08:39] <Razor-X> any WM I install doesen't work
[08:39] <TheSham> alrighty concept10, thanks alot
[08:40] <concept10> TheSham, does it work>
[08:40] <windex> ok. it's almost 2:00am
[08:40] <Gorth> !
[08:40] <ubotu> Gorth: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[08:40] <windex> im going to go smoke a cigarette and then go to bed. :)
[08:40] <Gorth> it was default to OSS
[08:40] <windex> bye kids.
[08:40] <Gorth> esound works!
[08:40] <Gorth> hooray
[08:40] <Gorth> thanks guys
[08:41] <Razor-X> even E had its hangups too
[08:41] <Razor-X> any advice there, or should I just stick to my KDE and leave it at that?
[08:42] <GudyUbuntu> so, no one for that openGL issue?
[08:43] <GudyUbuntu> what I'd need in fact is simply a linux / ubuntu guru to compile two small .c files for me ... I've even modified the source code to reflect 64bits pointers instead of 32 ... so I guess it's mainly a matter of knowing how to do it :)
[08:44] <Razor-X> also, anyone here use mpd?
[08:44] <f_newton> GudyUbuntu, thats the story of life ... Its mainly a matter of knowing how
[08:44] <concept10> f_newton, is JIB still open this time of night?
[08:45] <mebaran151__> I cant figure out for the life of me why udev will not make the snd devices
[08:45] <mebaran151__> the modules load
[08:45] <f_newton> lol 24/7 dude
[08:45] <mebaran151__> but it does not make any of the the pcm devices
[08:45] <mebaran151__> and alsa complains it can not find any cards
[08:45] <f_newton> just the drive thru though
[08:45] <concept10> f_newton, i forget, ive havent lived in dallas much since I was 18
[08:45] <anacron> helou helou, what to do when ubuntu freezes at the login screen, i installed nvidia drivers and it won't work because of that
[08:46] <f_newton> cant say as I blame ya concept10
[08:46] <GudyUbuntu> f_newton, how about you help me, so that I learn? you know in the end, that's not even for me, I'm working on a project, and there's this plugin which requires openGL ... I'd like to test it on linux, but I've installed a 64bits linux, and of course the library I'm using is only compiled for 32bits systems ...
[08:46] <Razor-X> anacron: change your xorg.conf to use ``vesa'' again
[08:46] <f_newton> GudyUbuntu, i dont have the knowledge or the skill
[08:46] <parabolize> anacron, or nv
[08:46] <anacron> Razor-X: how can i change it if my computer freezes totaly
[08:46] <Razor-X> GudyUbuntu: then compile it for 64 bit, no?
[08:46] <nmsa> someone knows the port gnomenetmeeting is listening to?
[08:46] <Razor-X> anacron: Ctrl+Alt+F1
[08:46] <parabolize> anacron, no keys?
[08:47] <anacron> wont work
[08:47] <mebaran151__> Razor-X: I hate my snd card
[08:47] <anacron> nothing will work at that point
[08:47] <anacron> no keys, no mouse
[08:47] <nickrud> anacron, boot in recovery mode, and change /etc/rc2.d/S13gdm to K13gdm, then reboot
[08:47] <mebaran151__> damn alsa channel is always empty
[08:47] <rowanjl> Perhaps I'm missing something, but I've just installed all the mono packages I need, except one: MonoDevelop... I can't find it! Is there a repo I should add for warty that has it?
[08:47] <Razor-X> mebaran151__: it seems i've customized my box so much, WMs refuse to install
[08:47] <mebaran151__> rowanjl: universe
[08:47] <GudyUbuntu> Razor-X, sure, but I'm getting an error when (I think) linking, about needing to recompile with -fPIC
[08:47] <anacron> nickrud: with ubuntu install cd?
[08:47] <mebaran151__> Razor-X: that is funny
[08:47] <parabolize> anacron, or use a live cd to edit xorg.conf
[08:47] <mebaran151__> very very funny
[08:48] <mebaran151__> refuse?
[08:48] <Razor-X> mebaran151__: it seems so
[08:48] <nickrud> anacron, recovery should be in your grub menu
[08:48] <rowanjl> mebaran151__, I have universe, but its not there
[08:48] <anacron> nickrud: ok
[08:48] <mebaran151__> do they just say no to your drugged out partition
[08:48] <Razor-X> GudyUbuntu: hmmmm... :(
[08:48] <Razor-X> i'm not sure of the source, so, I don't know
[08:48] <GudyUbuntu> and I'm using the option, (at least I think), so either I'm doing something wrong, or I need to recompile the whole ogl libs or something else ...
[08:48] <nickrud> anacron, you'll get a console, you can call nano to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf from there
[08:48] <GudyUbuntu> how about I send you the modified sources and script I have, and you try to compile it?
[08:48] <GudyUbuntu> :'(
[08:48] <anacron> nickrud: great, thanks
[08:48] <Razor-X> GudyUbuntu: no thanks ;)
[08:49] <Razor-X> I want to get mpd to play
[08:49] <GudyUbuntu> Razor-X, you'll get your name in the Azureus 3DPlugin author for that !
[08:49] <rowanjl> If mono develop is supposed to be under universe, what is it called?
[08:49] <viyyer> hellooo
[08:49] <Razor-X> so that if I try an switch X sessions, my music keeps playing
[08:49] <Razor-X> GudyUbuntu: meh!
[08:49] <Razor-X> GudyUbuntu: so, this is for Azureus?
[08:49] <nickrud> anacron, when you're done, change gdm back to S13, then sudo invoke-rc.d gdm start will get you back to normal
[08:49] <GudyUbuntu> indeed
[08:49] <GudyUbuntu> http://azureus.sourceforge.net/plugin_details.php?plugin=3DView
[08:49] <Razor-X> Razor-X: what'd you pass to the configure script?
[08:49] <Razor-X> errr
[08:50] <Razor-X> GudyUbuntu: what'd you pass to the configure script?
[08:50] <anacron> nickrud: can't i just edit the xorg.conf, do i have to do that as well?
[08:50] <GudyUbuntu> heh, there's no configure script, only a makefile ....
[08:50] <GudyUbuntu> let me zip it and host it somewhere
[08:50] <nickrud> anacron, the rc2.d stuff is adjusting running services
[08:50] <xero> hey... really quick.  does anybody know the default password on the livecd of ubuntu hoary???
[08:50] <Razor-X> GudyUbuntu: did you get it from CVS?
[08:51] <anacron> nickrud: okay, so its impossible without doing some changes
[08:51] <nickrud> anacron, yes, if you truly lock up during boot
[08:51] <supernix> If you were going to take over the world and exchange every Windows install for Kubuntu as a desktop OS could Kubuntu do that ?
[08:51] <rowanjl> So can anyone tell me where to find monodevelop for warty?
[08:51] <Razor-X> supernix: I would think so
[08:51] <esac> im sure there is a faq, but when will breezy be usable (i.e., when will X work ?)
[08:51] <GudyUbuntu> Razor-X, no I grabbed the sources of the 32bits GTK version, I edited them to replace int by longs whenever there are pointers, and I'm trying to compile them ...
[08:51] <nickrud> no, the world would rebel :)
[08:51] <supernix> Has Kubuntu become that user friendly so far with that level of hardware support ?
[08:51] <anacron> nickrud: well i have to write that down somewhere, im at work now, so i can test it right now :)
[08:52] <RocketD> Is anyone here familiar with fwbuilder? If so how does it run on ubuntu and what are your thoughts on it? I am looking for a decent firewall/router to run on Ubuntu.
[08:52] <viyyer> anyone who's tried a warty to hoary upgrade ?
[08:53] <GudyUbuntu> Razor-X, http://play.aelitis.com/gudy/opengl.tar.gz
[08:53] <esac> supernix: personally ive ran every windows system since 3.0, and have used linux since slackware 3 days .. ive ran about 100 different distros/versions .. and kubuntu/ubuntu is #1 for me
[08:53] <onkarshinde> Now GNOME 2.12 being in Beta stage, will Breezy have GNOME 2.12?
[08:53] <f_newton> so the numbering sequence of ubuntu... this is 5.04  that means version 5 upgrade 4?
[08:53] <rowanjl> I've googled for Monodev and warty, but nothing comes up
[08:53] <f_newton> mono is ms proprietary isnt it?
[08:53] <rowanjl> O_o
[08:53] <Gorth> argh
[08:53] <Gorth> now xmms only works when i use sudo to open it
[08:54] <f_newton> poor gorth
[08:54] <nickrud> f_newton, no, .net is proprietary, mono's implementation is not
[08:54] <supernix> Ty for your input
[08:54] <esac> no, mono is ximian
[08:54] <Gorth> its properties are 755!!
[08:54] <f_newton> k
[08:54] <Gorth> :(
[08:54] <supernix> I have started pitching in my support of ubuntu as well
[08:54] <esac> f_newton: http://www.mono-project.com/Main_Page
[08:54] <Gorth> any suggestions, guys? :(
[08:54] <Gorth> i've had a rough time getting used to ubuntu
[08:54] <supernix> I put a banner on my site to help increase exposure and hopefully will help my friends to make the change from Windows to Linux
[08:55] <supernix> Ubuntu/Kubunut in particular
[08:55] <Gorth> when i'm a regular user
[08:55] <Choubaka> f_newton: Ubuntu get's its version number based on the day it's released.
[08:55] <Gorth> and i type xmms
[08:55] <Gorth> it doesn't do anything!
[08:55] <LasseL> Gorth, chown gorth:users /usr/bin/xmms ??
[08:55] <Gorth> no errors - nothing!
[08:56] <onkarshinde> Does Breezy contain GNOME 2.12?
[08:56] <Choubaka> or, rather, year and month. :P
[08:56] <anacron> supernix: now when i can play games with linux there is no reason why i should use windows, and thats great
[08:56] <Gorth> lassel: still nothing :(
[08:56] <rowanjl> onkarshinde, someone told me that Ubuntu always has the latest gnome, so yes
[08:56] <gorilla_> LasseL, no... it shouldn't ne necessary to chnage the permission on xmms itself.. the per5mission problem is elsewhere
[08:57] <melio> sup
[08:57] <viyyer> thank you ubotu
[08:57] <Gorth> dobo@bunito:~$ xmms
[08:57] <Gorth> dobo@bunito:~$
[08:57] <Gorth> that's all it does!
[08:57] <rowanjl> Gorth, tried removing it and installing it again?
[08:57] <melio> OK! one issue with the installer
[08:57] <supernix> Yeah anacron I know that is a very big issue with users they must be able to play their favorite games or else it is a no go
[08:57] <Choubaka> I just noticed that it's only 2 months until Breezy is supposed to be released :/
[08:57] <Gorth> yeah :(
[08:57] <nickrud> Why do sound chip providers still not provide decent hardware mixing?
[08:57] <Gorth> rowanjl: yea :(
[08:57] <rowanjl> Gorth, darn
[08:57] <melio> if anyone codes ubuntu, they NEED to setup a defualt resolution picker at install time, otherwise some people are going to have out of range on they're monitors and not know how to fix it
[08:58] <rowanjl> Gah, can anyone tell me how to get monodevelop?
[08:58] <HrdwrBoB> melio: it does
[08:58] <melio> HrdwrBoB,  where
[08:58] <onkarshinde> Anyone used Ubuntu with HP Laptops? I want to know whether SD Card reader works.
[08:58] <nickrud> I mean, my lowly sound fusion on my 6 year old machine does better sound than newer ones
[08:58] <f_newton> melio you install it yet?
[08:58] <melio> because I Just installed it, and it offered no assistance with resolution
[08:58] <Choubaka> onkarshinde: I haven't heard of it working.
[08:58] <melio> f_newton,  running it now
[08:58] <f_newton> kewl
[08:58] <melio> ticked that it didnt give me options for resolution choices
[08:58] <f_newton> what do you think?
[08:59] <onkarshinde> Choubaka: Have you used Ubuntu on HP laptop?
[08:59] <melio> f_newton, I think they need to distribute this with less software preinstalled
[08:59] <f_newton> I had the same problem
[08:59] <Choubaka> onkarshinde: No, I have read the wiki :)
[08:59] <gpd> onkarshinde: my SD card reader on Fujitsu laptop didn't work :(
[08:59] <anacron> im testing hilight so can someone say my nick in the middle of a centence?
[08:59] <melio> f_newton,  I prefer a clean system and my own choice in what I put on it
[08:59] <Choubaka> onkarshinde: apparently SD readers don't work anywhere yet.
[08:59] <gorilla_> what are you after anacron?? :-)
[08:59] <melio> f_newton,  instead I'm forced to remove everything I don't want
[08:59] <f_newton> heh... I understand..
[08:59] <melio> which is fine
[08:59] <nickrud> a decent replacement for cron is anacron, but I don't use it
[08:59] <melio> I'll tolerate that
[09:00] <GudyUbuntu> so, anacron is it working?
[09:00] <anacron> no...
[09:00] <anacron> maybe it's this theme
[09:00] <onkarshinde> Choubaka: gpd: So is it problem with card readers or with drivers in Ubuntu?
[09:00] <f_newton> did you notice, melio how much easier it was to update?
[09:00] <bimberi> rowanjl: monodevelop is in the universe repository
[09:00] <Choubaka> onkarshinde: with drivers in all linuxes I think
[09:00] <anacron> it only hilights if my nick is in the beginning of line
[09:00] <grover> I thought installing ubuntu in server mode left you with no extra pkgs
[09:00] <rowanjl> bimberi, no it isn't...
[09:00] <gpd> onkarshinde: didn't work in any linux distro ... may have been weird card reader... my usb one works fine on desktop
[09:01] <Choubaka> onkarshinde: Other distros don't support them either.
[09:01] <melio> f_newton,  noticing now
[09:01] <rowanjl> bimberi, I searched for 'mono', but there is nothing about mono develop
[09:01] <melio> f_newton: again I prefer less software to have to update
[09:01] <bimberi> !info monodevelop
[09:01] <ubotu> monodevelop: (C#/Java/Nermele/ILasm Development Environment), section universe/devel, is optional. Version: 0.5.1-3 (hoary), Packaged size: 1533 kB, Installed size: 5568 kB
[09:01] <rowanjl> bimberi, for warty?
[09:01] <melio> hence the reason why I clean install with nothing. and do my own software additions. not that I care abotu space
[09:01] <Choubaka> melio: If you want to customise your ubuntu then you can always do the expert/custom install
[09:01] <f_newton> yeah I can understand ... I like a good desktop distro and this seems near perfect to me
[09:01] <melio> Choubaka,  I'm not an expert! :P
[09:02] <melio> and I don't know what I want so I left it defualt
[09:02] <bimberi> rowanjl: sorry - I assumed hoary :/
[09:02] <onkarshinde> Choubaka: Isn't there a way to use ndiswrapper with card readers as we can do with wifi?
[09:02] <f_newton> the expert / default would tell me the packages to choose wouldnt it?
[09:02] <Choubaka> onkarshinde: no.
[09:02] <rowanjl> Nope, I should have said warty in my question, but I got sick of asking
[09:02] <melio> I thought it would ask me for desktop/workstation/server configs. instead it only left me with 2 choices and then did a massive uncompression of all my software that I didnt even ask for
[09:02] <melio> lol
[09:02] <melio> again, I'll tolerate it
[09:02] <melio> no biggie
[09:02] <f_newton> I think they would have to make a default set of packages for the majority of newbie users melio
[09:02] <f_newton> like me
[09:02] <f_newton> lol
[09:02] <f_newton> heh
[09:02] <rowanjl> bimberi, could the hoary package be used for warty?
[09:02] <grover> rowanjl: upgrade to hoary? :)
[09:02] <Choubaka> onkarshinde: ndiswrapper only works because there's some uniform API for wireless devices in Windows..
[09:03] <melio> yeah
[09:03] <mebaran151__> what is the kernel version in Breezy
[09:03] <rowanjl> grover, feel like sending me a cd?
[09:03] <melio> we're all newbies till we figure out what to complain about I guess
[09:03] <Burgundavia> mebaran151__, 2.6.12
[09:03] <melio> :P
[09:03] <mebaran151__> I mean the last version
[09:03] <mebaran151__> 2.6.12.x
[09:03] <grover> rowanjl: you can get ubuntu to send you one for free
[09:03] <mebaran151__> x=?
[09:03] <mebaran151__> find x
[09:03] <Burgundavia> .6
[09:03] <Choubaka> Hmm, When will brezy be frozen?
[09:03] <Choubaka> breezy*
[09:03] <Burgundavia> Choubaka, already past Upstream Version Freeze
[09:03] <Choubaka> I don't remember the timeline :/
[09:03] <rowanjl> grover, thats how I got warty, I submitted for hoary in May, but got nothing
[09:03] <Burgundavia> Choubaka, release is in October
[09:04] <grover> rowanjl: hmm I got mine but yeah it did take a while
[09:04] <rowanjl> Besides, it doesn't really help me today does it?
[09:04] <Choubaka> Burgundavia: Doesn't that mean Gnome 2.12 isn't going to be there?
[09:04] <rowanjl> grover, three months?
[09:04] <Burgundavia> Choubaka, certain things are already excepted, like gnome 2.12
[09:04] <Choubaka> Ah, so.
[09:04] <grumbly> Hey, I'm having some stability issues
[09:04] <grover> rowanjl: possibly, don't remember
[09:04] <Choubaka> Not as strict as debian developers. :)
[09:04] <melio> I'll figure out how to add stuff tommrow I suppose
[09:05] <bimberi> rowanjl: possibly, you could try it, it would be best to gat any uninstalled dependencies from warty repos though
[09:05] <bimberi> s/gat/get/
[09:05] <melio> I guess I'll have to return this stupid fedora core 4 book I paid 50 bux for
[09:05] <onkarshinde> Choubaka: I am getting a new HP laptop for my dad wich has WinXP Pro preinstalled. I want to use Ubuntu on it. I am sure my Dad won't ever use SD card reader, still I wished that it worked.
[09:05] <f_newton> lol melio
[09:05] <rowanjl> bimberi, yep, so what do I add?
[09:05] <f_newton> sorry dude
[09:05] <concept10> melio, heh
[09:05] <melio> get an ubantu for dorks book
[09:05] <nickrud> melio, best refund you'll ever see :)
[09:05] <melio> I'm running riserfs tho
[09:05] <f_newton> ewww
[09:05] <f_newton> reiserfs
[09:05] <melio> figured Id try it out
[09:05] <melio> why would you eww riserfs
[09:05] <Choubaka> onkarshinde: maybe some future update will add support for it. :)
[09:05] <melio> what's wrong with you
[09:05] <f_newton> used it with suse
[09:06] <f_newton> did not like it
[09:06] <melio> why
[09:06] <f_newton> it was messy
[09:06] <melio> did you make you diabetic
[09:06] <Choubaka> riserfs .:D
[09:06] <melio> how?
[09:06] <bimberi> rowanjl: I'd download the package via http://packages.ubuntu.com and attempt to install using dpkg.
[09:06] <melio> riser is sposed to be faster
[09:06] <Choubaka> If you're going to typo it, why not just say "ricerfs" ;P
[09:06] <f_newton> the whole distro was trouble ....9.1pro
[09:06] <richardkillingsw> hey i have a question
[09:06] <melio> Choubaka,  you got an eagle talon tsi with a nice turbo and all wheel drive?
[09:06] <onkarshinde> Choubaka: Thanks for help. BTW October is winter season in India. So waiting for a 'Breezy October'
[09:07] <Burgundavia> bimberi, why did you not use synaptic?
[09:07] <grumbly> Can someone help me out with my system?  It crashes, and I can't seem to find any corelation
[09:07] <rowanjl> bimberi, ok, thanks for the help
[09:07] <Choubaka> melio: none such thing.
[09:07] <bimberi> rowanjl: if there are any dependency issues try to resolve them with apt-get (ie. from warty repositories)
[09:07] <melio> Choubaka,  Then you don't know ricer :P
[09:07] <anacron> grumbly: broken hardware maybe?
[09:07] <rowanjl> bimberi, I will :)
[09:07] <Choubaka> onkarshinde: hehe
[09:07] <grumbly> na... I did a memtest
[09:07] <grumbly> memory is Ok
[09:07] <grumbly> works on other distros
[09:07] <bimberi> Burgundavia: I'm giving some (pretty dodgy :) advice on installing monodevelop on warty
[09:07] <Choubaka> melio: I didn't say I was a ricer ;P
[09:07] <rowanjl> bimberi, but I do have the rest of mono installed, so it should be ok
[09:07] <grumbly> and in freebsd
[09:07] <melio> I don't need a coffee can on my car to make it go faster
[09:07] <melio> it is faster
[09:07] <Burgundavia> bimberi, ah
[09:07] <richardkillingsw> how do make your folders in the root open themselve up for you so you can change them
[09:07] <melio> and riserfs is sposed to be faster
[09:08] <melio> without a coffee can muffler
[09:08] <Choubaka> I wish I had a decent PC box to run breezy on.
[09:08] <richardkillingsw> like adding files and deleting files
[09:08] <Razor-X> but, ReiserFS is only good for a lot of files
[09:08] <f_newton> melio.... sounds like teenage bragging to me
[09:08] <melio> Choubaka,  breezy?
[09:08] <richardkillingsw> on ubuntu
[09:08] <Razor-X> xfs is great for overall performance
[09:08] <Choubaka> melio: (pst. reiserfs)
[09:08] <melio> reiser
[09:08] <melio> whatever
[09:08] <f_newton> breezy is the next release melio
[09:08] <Choubaka> melio: yeah. Take a sneak peek and run it before it's released.
[09:08] <melio> oh i see
[09:08] <melio> why does it require a decent pc?
[09:08] <melio> super graphical?
[09:08] <grumbly> anacron: it's only in gnome2 on ubuntu
[09:09] <Choubaka> no.
[09:09] <Choubaka> I only have a 500MHz 128MB RAM server that's of x86 architecture
[09:09] <melio> i'm not running unstable os's anymore I did that with fc4
[09:09] <grumbly> do you think it unwize to try and build gnome from source?
[09:09] <f_newton> lol melio
[09:09] <nickrud> lol, grumbly
[09:09] <Choubaka> melio: Ubuntu breezy shouldn't break anymore. .)
[09:09] <f_newton> what i didnt like was the attitude about the failures
[09:09] <grumbly> nickrud: ?
[09:10] <Choubaka> melio: there was a period when meltdown was guaranteed.
[09:10] <grumbly> I'm sick of crashing
[09:10] <f_newton> it was always my fault and it works for them
[09:10] <grumbly> only with ubuntu
[09:10] <f_newton> grumbly that doesnt sound right but I would find a distro that you didnt crash on
[09:10] <nickrud> not a good idea, but, if you want to, look at jhbuild from gnome cvs
[09:10] <concept10> what is the keyboard shortcut for screenshot?
[09:10] <kvidell> oh dear god
[09:10] <f_newton> what kind of hardware grumbly?
[09:10] <Choubaka> I wonder how well Ubuntu would work on a powerbook.
[09:11] <grumbly> f_newton: I'm thinking that the CD is funky
[09:11] <kvidell> I forgot I had a screen session with BX running
[09:11] <f_newton> prntscrn
[09:11] <kvidell> This has been here for 45 days and I _forgot_
[09:11] <Choubaka> :)
[09:11] <f_newton> could be you had a bad install
[09:11] <grumbly> f_newton: p4 2.4 intel PEBT2 board, Nvidia GeForce2,
[09:11] <richardkillingsw> how do you get authorization to change root folder on here
[09:12] <kvidell> become root?
[09:12] <f_newton> well thats a lot better then my gear and it works great for me
[09:12] <grumbly> richardkillingsw: chown?
[09:12] <melio> dude
[09:12] <melio> printers are way easyer to install in ubantu then fedora
[09:12] <richardkillingsw> how do you become become root on here
[09:12] <melio> boom done
[09:12] <melio> that was fast
[09:12] <grumbly> sudo
[09:12] <grumbly> su
[09:12] <melio> even detected it properly
[09:12] <richardkillingsw> where at
[09:12] <f_newton> lol melio
[09:12] <grumbly> richardkillingsw: terminal
[09:12] <richardkillingsw> ok
[09:12] <richardkillingsw> is that it
[09:12] <ice_1963> not sarge
[09:12] <richardkillingsw> just sudo
[09:13] <grumbly> richardkillingsw: what are you trying to do?
[09:13] <richardkillingsw> add codecs
[09:13] <richardkillingsw> for video and audio
[09:13] <richardkillingsw> win32
[09:13] <richardkillingsw> codecs
[09:13] <grumbly> you shouldnt need to sudo
[09:13] <richardkillingsw> ok
[09:13] <grumbly> tried using synaptic package manager?
[09:13] <richardkillingsw> you can use that for outside programs
[09:14] <grumbly> What program?
[09:14] <richardkillingsw> or files
[09:14] <grumbly> What program?
[09:14] <grumbly> what files
[09:14] <richardkillingsw> codecs
[09:14] <richardkillingsw> win32 codecs
[09:14] <richardkillingsw> for video and audio
[09:14] <anacron> what do you mean that you don't need sudo for installing win32codecs?, that's bullshit
[09:14] <grumbly> You're not making much sense
[09:14] <grumbly> anacron:  from within gnome?
[09:15] <anacron> yes.
[09:15] <grumbly> you shouldnt need to sudo anything.
[09:15] <grumbly> except some things
[09:15] <richardkillingsw> how do i put codecs in their proper folder on here
[09:15] <anacron> ...
[09:15] <grumbly> OH!!!!!!
[09:15] <grumbly> ok
[09:15] <grumbly> yeah...
[09:15] <grumbly> richardkillingsw: open up terminal
[09:15] <richardkillingsw> ok
[09:15] <grumbly> type su
[09:15] <grumbly> enter password
[09:15] <anacron> don't use su
[09:15] <anacron> use sudo -i
[09:15] <richardkillingsw> ok
[09:15] <richardkillingsw> im confused now
[09:15] <grumbly> that'll work too...
[09:16] <richardkillingsw> what should i really do
[09:16] <anacron> richardkillingsw: read ubuntu wiki
[09:16] <grumbly> what he said
[09:16] <ice_1963> sudo passwd root
[09:16] <anacron> richardkillingsw: there's no need for root account, as you can use sudo
[09:17] <ice_1963> you can use su
[09:17] <richardkillingsw> ok i put sudo passwd root
[09:17] <Razor-X> richardkillingsw: and if you need a root shell, try ``sudo -s''
[09:17] <grumbly> anacron: Why would you even need to use win32 A/V codecs?
[09:17] <grumbly> richardkillingsw: sudo -i