[16:13] <dthacker> Ahmuck: file a bug in launchpad
[16:13] <Nole> i know this isnt kubuntu related but could you fry a 56k modem if you aren't grounded while touching it?
[16:14] <Walzmyn_> you can fry anything if you're not grounded when you touch it
[16:14] <Ahmuck> icy iguanna
[16:14] <Nole> ok thats what i think i did to my modem
[16:14] <Ahmuck> that will be the next one ... har har har
[16:14] <Nole> icy iguanna nice one
[16:14] <_Enissay_> hey, i copiying a verry big file from/to a windows partition and i got a lot of "Could not change permissions for file" messages, how to stop those messages?
[16:14] <MilitantPotato> Ahmuck: the lack of extensions is why I'm using firefox 2 still
[16:14] <Kiry> firefox beta ad block doesn't seem to be working
[16:15] <MilitantPotato> Ahmuck: I do agree that installing firefox 3 out of the box isn't the best idea IMO.
[16:15]  * dthacker beats head against desk
[16:15]  * Kiry slips a pillow between head and desk
[16:15] <Ahmuck> *shrugs*, i'm using it for now, waiting for firebug
[16:15] <Ahmuck> working around the bugs
[16:15] <Walzmyn_> dthacker, what did the desk do to you?
[16:15] <Algyz> _Enissay_:  first: sudo konqueror
[16:15] <Algyz> _Enissay_:  then copy ;)
[16:15] <Ahmuck> i'm split on the decision, to be considered stable, it should be stable, to get to stable you need testing, and what better way then to release it in a distro
[16:16]  * dthacker notes that the firefox bug fixers probably don't hang around this channel waiting for bugs to fix, and that if you really want a problem fixed, you should file a bug in launchpad
[16:16] <Ahmuck> kinda like ms testing of vista :-)
[16:16] <_Enissay_> the command to copy is...?
[16:16] <Algyz> dthacker:  I think mozilla developers have lots of work now :)
[16:16] <Algyz> _Enissay_:  it's "cp"
[16:16] <ubuntu> Hi i have a problem, i just installed 8.04 and when booting i get to the part where grub is about to load still in bios screen and it stops loading 'Grub _' i'm currently on livecd
[16:16] <Ahmuck> dthacker: point exactly.  if ff3 is b5, then why include it in a LTS version
[16:16] <Algyz> _Enissay_:  sudo cp /file /file
[16:17] <_Enissay_> Algyz: lol, thanks
[16:17] <Algyz> ;)
[16:17] <Walzmyn_> ubuntu, have you tried re-installing?
[16:17] <dthacker> Ahmuck: If you want to make an impact in an organization run by committees, get on the committee
[16:17] <ubuntu> brub?
[16:17] <Walzmyn_> ubuntulog, the whole thing
[16:17] <Walzmyn_> bah
[16:18] <Eruaran> He's using a live cd
[16:18] <Ahmuck> dthacker: to much red tape
[16:18] <Corban> i don't think that will work...coz i get same problem when trying to install fedora
[16:18] <Algyz> Corban:  just a moment
[16:18] <Eruaran> toh
[16:18] <MilitantPotato> Corban: Did you just install linux for the first time?
[16:18] <Corban> no
[16:18] <MilitantPotato> Corban: Try this, go into your BIOS, set your SATA controller to RAID
[16:19] <Eruaran> Corban: youre getting a Grub error during boot ?
[16:19] <Algyz> Corban:  did it boot earlier?
[16:19] <dthacker> bb;
[16:20] <Corban> ok...i had sabayon linux installed then formated and clean installed kubuntu
[16:20] <Nole> MilitantPotato: i installed 2d and now it wont recognize my play cd
[16:20] <Corban> it boots after a sabayon install
[16:20] <Corban> but not after kubuntu or fedora install
[16:21] <Eruaran> hmm ok
[16:21]  * Eruaran wonders what is different about a Fedora or Kubuntu install to Sabayon
[16:21] <MilitantPotato> Nole: http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=49
[16:21] <MilitantPotato> there's a guide
[16:21] <Corban> while in bios screens, it gets to the text GRUB and then goes no further
[16:22] <Mekzholan> Ahmuck: Firefox 3 also seems to use the theme for the 2 version - and thus has display bugs :(
[16:22] <Eruaran> Corban: I've heard of a grub boot error before, but I've never had it myself
[16:22] <Walzmyn_> corban does liveCD have a re-install grub option?
[16:22] <BluesKaj> howdy folks
[16:22] <Corban> i don't know
[16:22] <Corban> i'll check
[16:22] <Mekzholan> Kubuntu 8.04 also destroyed the mailto: functionality in firefox as well as the links in thunderbird
[16:22] <Eruaran> you can fix grub
[16:22] <Mekzholan> not very nice :(
[16:22] <Walzmyn_> Corban, just a shot in the dark
[16:22] <Eruaran> Mekzholan: I gave you a link for that
[16:23] <Eruaran> Mekzholan: its in the ubuntu forums
[16:23] <Mekzholan> Eruaran: I know :) Thanks :) - but why isn't that workinhg out of the box?!
[16:23] <Corban> i don't think so
[16:24] <Corban> man i was so stoked when i could boot the 8.04 livecd as 7.10 or Gutsy would not boot
[16:24] <Eruaran> Mekzholan: the default software that comes with kubuntu works out of the box
[16:25] <DarthFrog> Eruaran: Except compiz, which seems to do nothing
[16:25] <Leeuw> I messed with some settingz and now if I try to login om IRC with Kopete x resets; what's goimng on, any ideas ?
[16:25] <DarthFrog> Other than limit the pager to only two desktops.
[16:25] <Eruaran> DarthFrog: you have to install compiz as far as I know
[16:25] <Corban> grub is wack
[16:25] <DarthFrog> Eruaran: Been there, done that.
[16:25] <Mekzholan> Eruaran: Firefox also comes with (K)ubuntu, it's one of the packages. It is also one of the major applications, not a special one
[16:26] <DarthFrog> Leeuw: Delete that IRC account and create another.
[16:26] <Eruaran> DarthFrog: apparrently its easy in kubuntu 8.04, no messing around, just install
[16:26] <Walzmyn_> DarthFrog, you can make more than 2 desktops in compiz - the option is not labled desktops it's kinda non-intutive
[16:26] <Leeuw> that was my first hunch, but I didn' t mess with kopete, think still it' ll work ?
[16:26] <DarthFrog> Eruaran: Been there, done that.  Doesn't do anything.
[16:26] <Leeuw> DarthFrog: that was my first hunch, but I didn' t mess with kopete, think still it' ll work ?
[16:26] <Eruaran> Mekzholan: such is life
[16:26] <MilitantPotato> Corban: do you see the grub menu at all?
[16:27] <DarthFrog> Walzmyn_: Do you know if there is any documentation for using Compiz in Kubuntu Hardy?
[16:27] <Eruaran> DarthFrog: ok
[16:27] <Ahmuck> DarthFrog: compiz does work, to get real functionality from it you need to install the compiz settings manager, however, good luck.  once the settings are set, if you remove the compiz settings manager, your screwed.  in addition, it screws up the desktop pager somehow.
[16:27] <DarthFrog> Leeuw: Give it a shot.  Can't hurt.
[16:27] <Ahmuck> imho, compiz on kubuntu is alpha
[16:27] <Corban> i see no grub menu
[16:27] <Leeuw> DarthFrog: true
[16:27] <Corban> just the text GRUB
[16:27] <Walzmyn_> DarthFrog, not specifically - check the wiki
[16:27] <Corban> and it stops
[16:27] <Leeuw> DarthFrog: I will
[16:28] <MilitantPotato> !grub
[16:28] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[16:28] <Eruaran> Mekzholan: its fixed now isnt it ?
[16:28] <DarthFrog> Ahmuck: Tnx.  I'll check that out.
[16:28] <MilitantPotato> Corban: try and repair grub
[16:28] <MilitantPotato> Corban: can be done from the Live CD
[16:28] <Ahmuck> Mekzholan: did you do a upgrade?
[16:28] <Corban> how do u do that
[16:28] <DarthFrog> I was at a Hardy release party last night.  Compiz was being demoed.  I was blown away. :-)
[16:28] <Corban> just re-install or is there a special way to do it?
[16:29] <Mekzholan> Eruaran: "such is life" doesn't help to convince people coming from windows...
[16:29] <MilitantPotato> Corban: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto#head-f60bd54bfea5b5afbbb8eab20586240d973cdde3
[16:29] <MilitantPotato> Corban: do you know how to mount drives?
[16:29] <Mekzholan> Eruaran: didn't have time to fix the mailto: thing yet, but I'm sure it'll help. It won't fix the Thunderbird problem though
[16:29] <Corban> vagually
[16:29] <Leeuw> DarthFrog: strange... I'm on pidgin now, deleted kubuntu and made new, went nicely, tried #ubuntu (old) and kopete crashed, no x-reset though; lemme go back to KDE and try it all; thanx sofar, we' tre gettin'  there me thinx
[16:29] <MilitantPotato> sudo mkdir /media/sda
[16:29] <Mekzholan> Ahmuck: yes, just did an upgrade from 7.10 to 8.04
[16:30] <MilitantPotato> sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/sda
[16:30] <MilitantPotato> and such
[16:30] <Ahmuck> Mekzholan: i had the same problem.  it does not appear that a full install has that problem
[16:30] <MilitantPotato> do a mkdir, then mount in that dir
[16:30] <Corban> i know that much
[16:30] <Corban> what do i need to mount
[16:31] <DarthFrog> Corban:  A drive partition to mount.
[16:31] <MilitantPotato> probably just your root partition for linux
[16:31] <MilitantPotato> if you installed grub to it
[16:31] <Mekzholan> Ahmuck: which problem (theme, mailto:, or thunderbird links)? how did you solve it?
[16:31] <Eruaran> Mekzholan: So what you're telling me is that if you have one problem using Kubuntu youre going to start whining and do the dummy spit and talk about Windows ? Go back to Windows then... Its not like Windows does not have more than its fair share of problems... Seriously I get really sick and tired of that kind of attitude: People will bend over backwards to solve their Windows problems, but if they have one problem with a
[16:31] <Eruaran> GNU/Linux distribution they throw a tantrum and whine about everything under the sun not working 'out of the box'... seriously, have you installed vanilla Windows lately ?
[16:31] <Corban> ok
[16:32] <Corban> i just have never manually edited linux partitions b4...only windows paritions
[16:32] <DarthFrog> Eruaran: You're condemning the poor fellow to Vista! :-)
[16:32] <Corban> i have been a linux user for the last month
[16:32] <Ahmuck> Eruaran: i use windows, yes.  but i don't have these type of bugs
[16:32] <Minnozz> Hello, when I don't have mixer in the drop-down list of KMix, does that mean there is no driver installed or something? I don't have any sound right now (Just installed 8.04)
[16:32] <Corban> hehe, i moved from vista to linux
[16:33] <Ahmuck> Eruaran: i don't use Vista, Vista is not windows LTS edition
[16:33] <MilitantPotato> Iha
[16:33] <Corban> btw all the help is greatly appreciated
[16:33] <DarthFrog> Corban: Then you should be well  motivated.
[16:33] <alnis> Corban: 1. Boot from your live CD
[16:33] <Mekzholan> Eruaran: common mate, have you eaten rooten mountain oysters?!?
[16:33] <Eruaran> The point remains the same. At work I've seen more than enough problems with Vista...
[16:33] <alnis> 2. Find on which partition you have /boot/grub
[16:33] <BluesKaj> Eruaran, good rant ! :)
[16:34] <Eruaran> BluesKaj: thx :P
[16:34] <Corban> ok i'm really lost with linux partitions
[16:34] <Ahmuck> no offence, but pointing out the flaws is what improves the distro.  some of you are like micrsoft flunkies (shhhh, don't talk to loud.  let's hide those flaws for as long as we can)
[16:34] <Leeuw> DarthFrog: am back in KDE now, tried it, same sh*t, x-reset; now on pidgin in KDE, no prob; what on earth could it be ?
[16:35] <Mekzholan> Eruaran: there are different reasons I'm using Linux - for quite a few years now. And the problem is not that I have to fix these problems. The problem is that Kubuntu gives a sub optimal user experience here
[16:35] <alnis> 3. from the console, type " grub" to enter grub shell
[16:35] <MilitantPotato> Linux tip: If you want things to work properly, avoid newly released software.
[16:35] <Ahmuck> Mekzholan: theme
[16:35] <DarthFrog> Mekzholan: Marcel Gagne has written several excellent books on coming to Linux from Windows.  Perhaps you might find them useful.
[16:35] <Ahmuck> MilitantPotato: heh, avoid kubuntu hardy for three months
[16:35] <Eruaran> Mekzholan: I tried to help...
[16:35] <alnis> 4. mount that partion in grub shel:
[16:36] <CygnusX1> Ahmuck: Ah...so this really is a beta release?
[16:36] <CygnusX1> Wait for service pack1?
[16:36] <Corban> whats the root password for livecd?
[16:36] <CygnusX1> heh
[16:36] <BluesKaj> well , I have some issues with Hardy , altho relatively minor they are still a PITA. For example the shut procedure is flawed on my setup. Gotta use the 3finger salute to get out of hardy.
[16:36] <DarthFrog> Leeuw: Use Adept to totally remove Kopete, including all the config files.  Then re-install it.  Worth a shot.
[16:36] <Ahmuck> DarthFrog: so, your telling me, the book explains why coming from windows to linux you will be loosing many hairs?
[16:36] <alnis> corban: none
[16:36] <Mekzholan> Eruaran: something that Windows users (which we are trying to convince to try Linux) are not seeing (e.g. becaus they are using a monolithic system and not a very variable one like Linux with different desktop environments)
[16:36] <Corban> ok..thnx
[16:36] <MilitantPotato> Corban:
[16:36] <BluesKaj> err shutdown procedure
[16:36] <MilitantPotato> find /boot/grub/stage1
[16:36] <Corban> none didn't work
[16:37] <Corban> in terminal
[16:37] <MilitantPotato> should be ubuntu
[16:37] <MilitantPotato> iirc
[16:37] <Corban> alka konsole
[16:37] <Algyz> !lv | alnis
[16:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lv - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[16:37] <Leeuw> DarthFrog: I just did , pray to the big chip in the sky while I try
[16:37] <Algyz> alnis:  #ubuntu-lv
[16:37] <DarthFrog> Ahmuck: Well, I don't know about that.  But it explains, very well, much that a Windows user needs to know.
[16:38] <Corban> none of the below are working .. "" "ubuntu" "kubuntu"
[16:38] <DarthFrog> Leeuw: And if Pidgin works for you, then use it.
[16:38] <Mekzholan> Eruaran: I appreciate your help very much, but ranting about windows when there's a but in the distribution of our choice wasn't very helpfull...
[16:38] <Eruaran> Mekzholan: I don't believe in trying to convince people. If someone really wants change, they will go for it. Others will look at you like you're a Jehovas Witness for even mentioning Linux. I'm not into the hard sell.
[16:38] <Leeuw> It does, but I like Kopete better, and I can' t stand loose ends in my rig
[16:38] <DarthFrog> Eruaran: Zigzactly!
[16:38] <MilitantPotato> Corban: try sudo su
[16:38] <Leeuw> DarthFrog: it worked befor
[16:38] <Corban> ok
[16:39] <Leeuw> DarthFrog: before I went xploring
[16:39] <DarthFrog> Leeuw: Try creating a different account in Kubuntu and see if Kopete works from that new account.
[16:39] <Mekzholan> Eruaran: isn't more convincing for people if they try something new that that works much better thant their old crap? I wasn't talking about force feeding... ;)
[16:40] <Mekzholan> Ahmuck: did you solve the theme problem? I've just installed a 3.0 beta 5 theme and it's (a bit) better - but still not there...
[16:40] <Eruaran> If someone wants change they will welcome it. If someone had to have it sold to them, they will look at every little fault under a microscope and complain. You can't help that person because they don't really want it, they want to go back to what they were using before.
[16:41] <mih> ?
[16:41] <DarthFrog> Mekzholan: You have your experience and emotional reaction to that experience.  We can validate that reaction but cannot invalidate it.
[16:41] <Corban> hmmm
[16:41] <Corban> i have 3 different GRUBS installed in the MBR it seems
[16:41] <Minnozz> Anyone else having problems with sound (aka: no sound) on Hardy Heron?
[16:41] <Leeuw> DarthFrog: back again... reset again....   I did notice however that there' s 2 kopetes now, one regular and one kde4; where the * dd that come form... WIll try to remove both and reinstall; but meantime I' ll ask dif question, because my hunch sez that' s where the problem iz...
[16:41] <MilitantPotato> Corban: wow.
[16:42] <Corban> grub stage 1, 1.5 and 2
[16:42] <DarthFrog> Leeuw: Try creating a different account in Kubuntu and see if Kopete works from that new account.
[16:42] <Eruaran> Corban: that might be part of the problem ? ;)
[16:42] <Leeuw> DarthFrog: very good idea, since it did work in XFce...   will try later
[16:42] <Corban> ok
[16:42] <Corban> gona reboot and see if that worked
[16:42] <Corban> wish me luck
[16:42] <Eruaran> good luck
[16:43] <Leeuw> DarthFrog: first I' ll ask dif question, cause my hunch sez that could be source of trubble...
[16:43] <reisi> hi everyone! in case there's devs on the channels great job with kde4-remix
[16:44] <Ahmuck> Mekzholan: as far as i know.  i went with a full install of kubuntu after working with some bugs on the upgrade
[16:44] <Mekzholan> DarthFrog: no need for invalidation. I'm writing it here so that the problems can be solved (via an update) for all of those that won't write here (and esp. for those that tried kubuntu and are turned away by those litte inconveniences)
[16:45]  * Ahmuck is thinking about a re-install again to see if i can't fix the compiz settings retention thingy
[16:45] <Ahmuck> so, i'm curious, who is here from canocial (paid) as damage control on for this release?
[16:45] <Leeuw> I ticked to ' off'  some setting in KDE that said something like 'scan KDE at boot'  something like that, it had a warning that after changing stuff it could break the system; I forogot about it, did a lot of tweaking, and then the troubles began; missing start-menu (xcuse win-terminology), and trouble with IRC on Kopete, among other stufff; sys seeems right now again, but kopete keeps crashing on initiate IRC;...   I can' t find that setting back, wher
[16:46] <MilitantPotato> Ahmuck: do you own all the files in your home directory?
[16:46] <Eruaran> Mekzholan: sorry if I offended... I've had to deal with a few unresonable people lately...
[16:46] <Ahmuck> MilitantPotato: yes.  i have several partitions, one for virtual box, one for data, one for home, one for /var/www one for /usr/local, so it's trivial for me to wipe and reload
[16:47] <DarthFrog> Ahmuck: I've been running Hardy since Alpha 3.  Doesn't need damage control.  That a few people have problems with it doesn't translate to a universal experience.  A few people will have problems with anything new, one just hopes that it's not the same few people each time. :-)
[16:48] <Ahmuck> MilitantPotato: i've found the quickest way to "refresh" is to backup things like konversation logs, etc. and then do a "rm -rf ." on my home directory from a command prompt tty
[16:48] <Algyz> DarthFrog:  I had problems with upgrade. Huge problems :)
[16:48] <Eruaran> Downloading was much faster tonight
[16:48] <sui> hi
[16:48] <Ahmuck> MilitantPotato: that way i can tell if the problem is buried in my /home or in some other setting in /
[16:48] <DarthFrog> Algyz: Then backup /home and re-install instead of upgrading?
[16:48] <MilitantPotato> it took my wife's PC 8 hours to download 8.04
[16:48] <Ahmuck> before re-install
[16:48] <reisi> bittorrent worked fine yesterday, after you found a torrent file from somewhere :)
[16:49] <MilitantPotato> Ahmuck: sounds like a plan :)
[16:49] <Ahmuck> MilitantPotato: as an upgrade?
[16:49] <MilitantPotato> Ahmuck: via adept yes
[16:49] <Eruaran> How do I seed stuff with ktorrent so everyone can see it ?
[16:49] <Corban> ok back
[16:49] <reisi> Eruaran: i guess there was a post about that on the forums
[16:49] <sui> Eruaran: you do automatically
[16:49] <Corban> didn't work
[16:49] <MilitantPotato> Corban: did you follow that full guide?
[16:49] <Corban> i followed the repair part....whats the link again
[16:50] <MilitantPotato> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto#head-f60bd54bfea5b5afbbb8eab20586240d973cdde3
[16:50] <Corban> thnx
[16:51] <Eruaran> sui: not one that I've gotten via torrents already... I want to seed my kubuntu iso's that I have on my computer that aren't already being seeded by ktorrent...
[16:51] <Eruaran> reisi: I'll check
[16:52] <Ahmuck> Eruaran: locate a torrent for what you want to seed.  point the download to that directory.  at that point, ktorrent will check the iso and then begin seeding
[16:53] <Eruaran> thanks Ahmuck
[16:53] <sui> Eruaran: when you download a torrent file you normally have a column in which you can read the data you seed
[16:54] <sui> wuah, completely misunderstood the question ;)
[16:54] <Eruaran> sui: yes I know... but I have the kubuntu-desktop iso here which I ftp'd
[16:54] <Leeuw> I ticked to ' off'  some setting in KDE that said something like 'scan KDE at boot'  something like that, it had a warning that after changing stuff it could break the system; I forogot about it, did a lot of tweaking, and then the troubles began; missing start-menu (xcuse win-terminology), and trouble with IRC on Kopete, among other stufff; sys seeems right now again, but kopete keeps crashing on initiate IRC;...   I can' t find that setting back, w
[16:54] <Walkboss> Hello. I'm having a bit of trouble with my kubuntu installation. I decided to move my /home folder onto a new partition but kdm just crashes on login
[16:55] <MilitantPotato> Corban: sudo apt-get install gparted
[16:56] <kaminix> How do I make Kontact not close itself but only minimize to tray when I push the X button?
[16:56] <Walkboss> Any ideas on why this is happening?
[16:56] <sui> Eruaran: can you move the iso to your torrent-folder?
[16:56] <Corban> thn
[16:56] <MilitantPotato> Corban: make sure your linux is set active, and boot
[16:56] <Ahmuck> Walkboss: ln -s /newpartition /oldhomedirectory may fix it
[16:56] <Ahmuck> temporarily
[16:56] <sui> Eruaran: and restart ktorrent. perhaps this makes the download happen
[16:56] <Corban> it is
[16:56] <Odd-rationale> kaminix: edit the kamil pref the enable tray
[16:56] <Corban> i'm wanting to dual boot Kubuntu & OSx86
[16:56] <Odd-rationale> kmail
[16:56] <DarthFrog> Walkboss:  Did you edit the /etc/fstab file appropriately?
[16:56] <Leeuw> Walkboss: you have to do that sort of thing from another system, like a live cd, because the sys can' t go without a home folder; if you removed the old one you have to somehow remount the new one as /home; I ' m not to familiar thoug with xactly how to do that; anyoen ?
[16:56] <MilitantPotato> Corban: is the primary drive set as bootable?
[16:57] <Corban> well yeh otherwise i wouldn't see GRUB
[16:57] <Walkboss> I didn't edit it manually. I did a fresh install with sda1 as / and sda2 as /home
[16:57] <Corban> i need to wipe and rebuilt MBR
[16:57] <DarthFrog> Walkboss:  And is sda2 mounting properly as /home?
[16:58] <Walkboss> Yes
[16:58] <Corban> as i think i have like 6 different instances of GRUB in it
[16:58] <Walkboss> I can access the files via console
[16:58] <flaccid> hooray! i have the but where computer crashes with ati prop. driver when logging out with hardy!
[16:58] <DarthFrog> Walkboss: Anything in the log files?
[16:58] <Walkboss> but when I try to login, kdm crashes and restarts
[16:58] <Corban> stage1 is active i'm sure
[16:58] <Corban> tho
[16:58] <Walkboss> Where would I find those?
[16:58] <Odd-rationale> kaminix: look in settings --> configure kmail --> appearence --> system taray
[16:58] <Odd-rationale> tray
[16:58] <DarthFrog> Walkboss: /var/log is the usual place.
[16:59] <Walkboss> Ok, one second. I'm on a different computer
[16:59] <Leeuw> flaccid: congratulation !   Wanna buy my obsolete nvidia-card ? ;-)
[16:59] <BluesKaj> Corban, you may want to check the /boot/grub/menu.lst , to make sure "hiddenmenu" isn't enabled. Disable it by placing a # in front of it. Alt+F2, kdesudo kate /boot/grub/menu.lst
[16:59] <Corban> i see
[17:00] <Corban> yeh it's enabled
[17:00] <flaccid> Leeuw: i have a notebook
[17:00] <Leeuw> flaccid: ehehehe
[17:00] <flaccid> :0
[17:00] <BluesKaj> place a # there so the menu is no longer hidden
[17:00] <Corban> lets try again
[17:00] <VousDeux> I cannot, for the life of me, seem to figure out how to modify the list of programs that are on the K-Menu. Can someone help me out?
[17:00] <Leeuw> flaccid: i CAN THROW IN A SOLDERING IRON AND AN CROWBAR ?
[17:00] <flaccid> if you stop shouting
[17:01] <Jucato> !caps | Leeuw
[17:01] <ubotu> Leeuw: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[17:01] <Leeuw> sorry fer capslock folks, I'm gonna take it off
[17:01] <Jucato> VousDeux: modify in what sense? you can right-click on the K Menu icon and select Menu editor
[17:01] <fildo> yay for caps locks u goon
[17:01] <Leeuw> flaccid: I know, sorry, it's to close to tab , really...
[17:01] <fildo> im all for cyber bullying :)
[17:01] <flaccid> fildo: you got initial hardy bugs?
[17:02] <fildo> yeah, major crash on logout
[17:02] <flaccid> ati or nvidia?
[17:02] <fildo> after first boot
[17:02] <fildo> nv mate
[17:02] <flaccid> but only happened once? mine is happening on every logout
[17:02] <VousDeux> Jucato: I'm trying to remove some programs that have been uninstalled, and move some items to other spots that make more sense to me. The Menu Editor option does not appear when I right-click.
[17:02] <fildo> uhm, mines a bit slow on the logout, but ive only tried it twice, its a fresh box
[17:03] <flaccid> im dissapointed
[17:03] <MilitantPotato> mine won't shut down
[17:03] <MilitantPotato> have to use rseiub every time
[17:03] <flaccid> seems pretty common problem
[17:03] <Jucato> VousDeux: KDE 3?
[17:03] <flaccid> rseiub?
[17:03] <Walkboss> ok DarthFrog.
[17:03] <fildo> why not released with kde4 ?
[17:04] <MilitantPotato> alt+ctrl+sysRQ   +  RSEIUB
[17:04] <MilitantPotato> emergency safe restart
[17:04] <VousDeux> Jucato: No, KDE4...I asked in #kubunto-kde4, but I didn't get any response yet.
[17:04] <SlimeyPete> fildo: kde4 doesn't work very well yet, for many people
[17:04] <Leeuw> VousDeux: click right on the menu-button, not the menu itself
[17:05] <Leeuw> VousDeux: or doesn' t that go on 4 /
[17:05] <Leeuw> ?
[17:05] <Jucato> VousDeux: first, to "refresh" the menus when you have uninstalled something, you can run the command "kbuildsycoca4"
[17:05] <fildo> fair enough
[17:05] <fildo> dosnt surprise me with the amount of bugs around
[17:05] <Walzmyn_> kde4 is imcomplete, lots of options not in yet
[17:05] <fildo> now im dissapointed
[17:05] <Walkboss> The only things that look remotely relevant are "(WW) NV: No matching Device Section for Instance (BusID PCI:0:10:3) found" -- which I'm guessing is something to do with the device section in xorg.conf. I guess that isn't relevant at all
[17:05] <Jucato> VousDeux: second, try running the command "kmenuedit4" to manually start the menu editor
[17:05] <fildo> newyas seeyas
[17:06] <VousDeux> Okay, thanks.
[17:06] <Walkboss> also: "Atom 4, CARD32 4, unsigned long 4" whatever that is supposed to mean
[17:08] <MilitantPotato> Speaking of not being able to shutdown, has anyone found a fix for it?  It starts closing aps, the GUI goes black and everything stops responding.  I can't open a TTY and shutdown that way.
[17:09] <Ahmuck> ctl-alt-f9 ?
[17:09] <emss> how do you disable konquerors scrollbars?
[17:09] <Minnozz> can anyone help me with fixing my audio under Hardy Heron?
[17:10] <VousDeux> Okay, the kmenuedit4 does not appear to exist yet, but kmenuedit loaded. Thanks again.
[17:10] <Jucato> VousDeux: hm.. strange... but ok :)
[17:10] <VousDeux> Oh, haha, I guess kmenuedit doesn't work on KDE4 menu...I'll bother the other channel about it...thanks anyway.
[17:11] <Ahmuck> is there a kubuntu-kde4 channel?
[17:11] <VousDeux> at least I know I can stop searching for it :)
[17:11] <Odd-rationale> Ahmuck: yes
[17:12] <Ahmuck> i'd be interested in that channel name, i'd like to see what problems is happening in kubuntu-kde4
[17:12] <Eruaran> Whats a good sharing site to set my tracker to so people can see it and it will start uploading ?
[17:12] <Walkboss> I've tried mounting sda2 (the partition with my home files in it) to a random mount point and having /home on the main partition. This worked fine so the I changed sda2 to mount under /home via the "Disks and Filesystems" settings, which also worked until I rebooted and am now unable to login to KDE
[17:15]  * Ahmuck sit's down for pizza
[17:16] <Minnozz> is there a known problem with SoundMAX chips and 64bit Linux?
[17:16] <BluesKaj> Minnozz, in the terminal type alsamixer
[17:17] <Minnozz> BluesKaj: "alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory"
[17:19] <Leeuw> I ticked to ' off'  some setting in KDE that said something like 'scan KDE at boot'  something like that, it had a warning that after changing stuff it could break the system; I forogot about it, did a lot of tweaking, and then the troubles began; missing start-menu (xcuse win-terminology), and trouble with IRC on Kopete, among other stufff; sys seeems right now again, but kopete keeps crashing on initiate IRC;...   I can' t find that setting back
[17:20] <BluesKaj> Minnozz, agian in the terminal, ' lspci | grep audio '
[17:20] <BluesKaj> again
[17:20] <Minnozz> BluesKaj: no output
[17:21] <x-X-x> so far so good on hardy heron
[17:22] <x-X-x> bit dissapointed that kde4 is still not finished and i had to installed kubuntu hardy heron kde3 version not remix
[17:22] <BluesKaj> ok Minnozz, just ' lspci ' this time..look for a line with 'audio controller ' in it
[17:23] <Minnozz> BluesKaj: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02)
[17:23]  * Minnozz note to self: use `grep -i'
[17:23] <BluesKaj> !intel-audio
[17:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about intel-audio - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:24] <x-X-x> anyone else having trouble downloading themes for emerald ??
[17:24] <x-X-x> on hardy ?
[17:25] <BluesKaj> looks like you need to download the drivers for the Intel Corporation 82801H, but I'm not sure. IIRC , there are some issues with Intel audio devices on kubuntu
[17:26] <x-X-x> i have intel integrated audio and it works fine on nix
[17:26] <Minnozz> BluesKaj: hmm okay, thank you :)
[17:26] <tobias> hi anybody, i just was upgrading to hardy (from 7.10) using the upgrade-wizard. now it crashed, firexfox won't run and i don't know what to do. can you help me?
[17:26] <BluesKaj> x-X-x, we're talking about Intel products , not integrated
[17:27] <Minnozz> BluesKaj: AFAIK this is an integraged chip...
[17:27] <BluesKaj> yes, most are
[17:27] <Algyz> tobias:  what you have now?
[17:27] <Minnozz> * integrated
[17:27] <x-X-x> Blueskaj kk sorry
[17:27] <tobias> Algyz: my system running as before, only some apps won't start
[17:28] <Algyz> tobias:  well, to be honest, I reinstalled whole system after upgrade :D :(
[17:28] <tobias> Algyz: the wizard simply dissapeared
[17:28] <BluesKaj> Minnozz, try the Intel support site for linux drivers
[17:28] <Algyz> tobias:  run them from terminal
[17:28] <tobias> Algyz: how?
[17:29] <Algyz> tobias:  $firefox
[17:30] <Algyz> tobias:  probably you'll see errors in terminal
[17:31] <ubuntu> ciao peolpe, qualcuno mi sa dire come operare da root in un live cd_
[17:31] <Odd-rationale> !it | ubuntu
[17:31] <ubotu> ubuntu: Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[17:31] <Algyz> !it | ubuntu
[17:31] <emilsedgh> !it | ubuntu
[17:31] <Odd-rationale> too slow ;)
[17:31] <emilsedgh> :P
[17:31] <Algyz> :)
[17:32] <Arehucas> hola??? alguien en español??'
[17:32] <Odd-rationale> !es | Arehucas
[17:32] <ubotu> Arehucas: Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[17:32] <ubuntu> thanks
[17:32] <Algyz> !es | Arehucas
[17:32] <Odd-rationale> too slow again....
[17:32] <Arehucas> ok, tanks
[17:32] <Algyz> :D
[17:32] <Odd-rationale> 2 -0
[17:32] <Algyz> Odd-rationale:  you won ;)
[17:33] <tobias> Algyz: hm, calling dkpg from the terminal seems to continue the update process...would the wizard perform any actions that won't be done this way and i need to do them manualley
[17:33] <Odd-rationale> Algyz: what client are you using?
[17:33] <Algyz> Odd-rationale:  kvirc+beer
[17:34] <Odd-rationale> Algyz: konversation is good.
[17:34] <Algyz> Beer is slowing process/accesing to keyboard :D
[17:34] <Algyz> Yeah, I know
[17:34] <Odd-rationale> Algyz: especially with nick completition
[17:35] <Odd-rationale> with tab, i get a list of names that begin with the same letter(s).
[17:35] <Algyz> Wow :O
[17:35] <Odd-rationale> In order of last spoken. not alpha betical
[17:36] <BluesKaj> ppl compalin about konversation not contain autolisted servers, but i don't miss that anymore :)
[17:36] <Algyz> I'll think about that, actually I'm not using Kubuntu now :)
[17:36] <Odd-rationale> Algyz: so if you spoke last before Arehucas, your nick would appear first in the list.
[17:36] <Odd-rationale> s/after/before
[17:37] <Algyz> Odd-rationale:  bsd 6.3
[17:37] <Odd-rationale> Algyz: freebsd?
[17:38] <Algyz> pcbsd
[17:38] <Odd-rationale> ok.
[17:38] <Algyz> easier to manage :)
[17:38] <Algyz> kubuntu just in next partition ;)
[17:38] <v6lur> what's the least painful way to rip some 20 CDs?
[17:38] <BluesKaj> Algyz, how's the hardware recognition with pcbsd ?
[17:39] <Algyz> BluesKaj:  more or less okay
[17:39] <Odd-rationale> Algyz: so pc-bsd --> freebsd as Ubuntu --> Debian ?
[17:40] <Algyz> BluesKaj:  well, my network card is down always during boot, though I tried different methods
[17:40] <Algyz> Odd-rationale:  something like that
[17:40] <Algyz> pcbsd is freebsd with installer, kde and some stuff
[17:40] <Algyz> not a fork
[17:41] <livingdaylight> Algyz, is it better than DesktopBSD?
[17:41] <Algyz> livingdaylight:  you can install desktopbsd-tools
[17:42] <livingdaylight> DesktopBSD is an os
[17:42] <Algyz> It is possible also with freebsd, they are in ports
[17:42] <Algyz> FreeBSD is an OS ;)
[17:43] <Algyz> Both above mentioned are only couple of packages with FreeBSD kernel
[17:43] <livingdaylight> i'm waiting for a pc-bsd or desktopBSD to do in the bsd world what ubuntu did in the Linux
[17:43] <Algyz> You can try pcbsd, good luck
[17:43] <livingdaylight> Algyz, true... but the installer n'stuff makes it noob friendly
[17:44] <Algyz> That's good :)
[17:44] <livingdaylight> last time i tried pcbsd it wasn't quite there yet... mainly lacking driver support
[17:44] <Algyz> But you can compile proudly
[17:44] <Algyz> http://img161.imageshack.us/my.php?image=desktopaskc9.png
[17:44] <Algyz> Looks like this
[17:44] <Algyz> Most things are working
[17:45]  * Algyz sorry for a little offtopic
[17:45] <Odd-rationale> Algyz: so it includes ff by default?
[17:45] <Algyz> Odd-rationale:  yes
[17:45] <BluesKaj> yeah same here, but it's been 3 yrs since i tried bsd ...it was on an old pc and the hardwre wasn't recognized
[17:45] <Algyz> <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:46] <BluesKaj> wel, most of it
[17:46] <Algyz> BluesKaj:  it's up to you now ;)
[17:46] <Odd-rationale> I might give it a spin in virtualbox.... I don't want to bork my new Hardy install... :)
[17:46] <Algyz> But... but kubuntu is also good :)
[17:46] <BluesKaj> no, I'll stick with kubuntu
[17:46] <Odd-rationale> does bsd use grub?
[17:47] <BluesKaj> lilo I think
[17:48] <Algyz> Odd-rationale:  I'm using Kubuntu GRUB to boot this stuff
[17:48] <Algyz> Don't install *BSD booter
[17:48] <Algyz> If you're using Linux in the same comp
[17:50] <Algyz> BluesKaj:  well, I gave just 15 GB for this another OS :)
[17:57] <livingdaylight> Algyz, another reason i don't use pcbsd; small community and empty support #channels
[17:59] <Algyz> livingdaylight:  good reason (seriously)
[18:00] <livingdaylight> Algyz, presumably you're not having those issues in kubuntu?
[18:03] <VousDeux> Is there a cursor theme editor? I have loaded a cursor theme, but two of the cursors are inverted...I would like to fix it if I can.
[18:03] <woddf2> Hello
[18:03] <Makuseru> What would you say the easiest way to upgrade to 8.04 from 7.10 would be?
[18:04] <woddf2> If KDE 4 crashed at start for me before in 7.10 Gutsy, will it crash at start in 8.04 Hardy?
[18:04] <Algyz> Makuseru:  you mean downgrade, isn't it? :D
[18:04] <Makuseru> Algyz: umm, what?
[18:04] <Arehucas> alguen me puede pasar de nuevo la direccion del irc hispano?
[18:05] <Algyz> Ah, OK, I misunderstood
[18:05] <Algyz> Arehucas:  la puta madre ;)
[18:05] <Makuseru> Algyz: oh, haha. i thought you were saying 8.04 wasnt as good as 7.10
[18:05] <Arehucas> jajaja, lo siento, tengo un caco que no veas
[18:05] <Arehucas> como entro en el irc hispano
[18:05] <Algyz> Makuseru:  well, I just reinstalled all the stuff
[18:05] <Arehucas> que me da que aqui son giris
[18:05] <Corban> well still no luck....i wiped my mbr i think...and now installing hardy for the 3rd time
[18:05] <Algyz> Arehucas:  O follamos todos, o la puta ol rio ;)
[18:05] <Arehucas> jajajajaja
[18:06] <Arehucas> venga, yo me la follo primero, despues los demas
[18:06] <Arehucas> jajajajaja
[18:06] <VousDeux> woddf2: unless you have a system specific bug, I would have to say no; because I have KDE4 on Hardy and it is loading just fine.
[18:06] <woddf2> Did it crash for you in Gutsy?
[18:06] <Arehucas> como veo los canales del irc?
[18:06] <woddf2> I mean
[18:06] <Arehucas> que hace un monton que no utilizo el mirc, me da que casi una decada
[18:06] <woddf2> VousDeux: Did it crash for you in Gutsy?
[18:07] <Algyz> !es | Arehucas
[18:07] <ubotu> Arehucas: Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[18:07] <Arehucas> gracias, y lo siento
[18:07] <Algyz> ;)
[18:07] <VousDeux> woddf2: I didn't have it in Gutsy...that's why I said unless you have a system specific bug...
[18:07] <woddf2> Oh...
[18:08] <woddf2> Did anyone else use KDE 4 in Gutsy?
[18:08] <VousDeux> woddf2: I think I understand now that your question is whether or not an upgrade to Hardy would fix your KDE4 problem...I don't know the answer.
[18:09] <dave11> I cant get flash to fullscreen firefox 5 beta, is this a known bug?
[18:09]  * trident523 is afriad of the regular #ubuntu
[18:10] <woddf2> I want to know because I am debating whether or not to uninstall GNOME.
[18:10] <linuxguymarshall> Can I uninstall programs from a Kubuntu DVD. For example, if my computer locks up because of a program (As it seems to happen with my NVIDIA drivers quite often) can I uninstall these from a DVD? Because sure I could uninstall this from a terminal but what if I don't know the package name. Is this possible?
[18:10] <woddf2> I have personal data that I cannot back up because I do not have a CD burner.
[18:10] <trident523> linuxguymarshall: Like, remove it from the livecd boot?
[18:10] <linuxguymarshall> trident523:Preferably, or from text mode.
[18:10] <trident523> woddf2: It was working in hardy for me... but that's generally not the same now.
[18:11] <woddf2> trident523: Did you have KDE 4 in Gutsy? How stable was it?
[18:11] <trident523> woddf2: I never tried it in gutsy, sorry.
[18:11] <woddf2> Oh
[18:11] <SlimeyPete> linuxguymarshall: you mean you want to be able to boot the livecd/dvd, and then remove a package from the Kubuntu installation on your hard disk?
[18:12] <woddf2> Did anyone else use KDE 4 in Gutsy?
[18:12] <trident523> woddf2: But it's sort of wonky in hardy anyhow. (some stuff missing...etc.)
[18:12] <corban> success
[18:12] <kernco> How do I set up dual-monitors in KDE4?
[18:12] <corban> i fixed the mbr
[18:12] <trident523> kernco: What kind of graphics card do you have?
[18:12] <VousDeux> any idea why Kubuntu almost always thinks my battery is dead?
[18:13] <kernco> trident523: Nvidia 8800
[18:14] <linuxguymarshall> SlimeyPete:Yeah, sure it's a security issue but is there an easy hack to place a backdoor in my own system that would be only accesable through a custom Live CD. BTW, this is just a local machine that is not connected to the internet that I am talking about
[18:14] <trident523> I think xinerama still works now...
[18:14] <VousDeux> It doesn't seem to matter whether I have it plugged in or not, it keeps doing stuff like dimming the screen.
[18:14] <trident523> !xinerama | kernco
[18:14] <ubotu> kernco: xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead
[18:14] <amrush> hey all .. I have a problem logging out of a session .. everything goes black and i have to turn the computer off and boot it again .. anyway can help ..
[18:14] <linuxguymarshall> amrush:How long has this been happening?
[18:14] <SlimeyPete> linuxguymarshall: you could probably do it via a chroot, however I wouldn't be able to tell you exactly how. Might be worth googling a chroot howto and going from there.
[18:15] <linuxguymarshall> SlimeyPete:Thanks
[18:15] <amrush> yesterday, just upgraded to heron ..
[18:16] <linuxguymarshall> amrush:Did it happen as soon as you upgrade or did it take some time?
[18:16] <daimadoshi> Hi ! is anyone else having issues with the updateing process ? i cant even get past the fetching part
[18:16] <NightBird> ....hm...
[18:16] <amrush> linuxguymarshall: since i upgraded, i can't log out ..
[18:17]  * NightBird is still having problems with starting kubuntu from cd... it does the splash page, then dumps me at the BusyBox prompt
[18:17] <trident523> daimadoshi: Well, the servers are still being attacked with thousands upon thousands of downloads...
[18:17] <NightBird> it does it for kubuntu 32 and 64 bit, as well as ubuntu 64..
[18:18] <trident523> NightBird: Are you using wubi?
[18:18] <mischel> hello
[18:18] <trident523> mischel: Hi! This is #kubuntu.
[18:18] <mischel> i am new here
[18:18] <NightBird> trident523: nope, booting from the cd
[18:18] <NightBird> I don't have windows installed at all on my laptop actually
[18:18] <daimadoshi> trident523:i figured that it wouls be super slow, but not that i would get time outs
[18:18] <mischel> not bad not bad this programm
[18:19] <aleman> hello
[18:19] <daimadoshi> trident523:thanks though... it just confirmed my suspicions
[18:19] <trident523> NightBird: Oh. Hm... have some sort of different hard drive setup? (RAID...etc?)
[18:19] <trident523> daimadoshi: Heck, I got around to updating my old server.
[18:19] <trident523> daimadoshi: It was still running 6.06, with no updates installed. I'm still catching up. :P
[18:19] <NightBird> trident523: it's a classic single 2.5" laptop harddrive
[18:20] <mitko> само да попитам ако някой знае как да премахна искането на парола и потребител при стартиране на убунту нека каже ще съм благодарен
[18:20] <trident523> NightBird: Well, whenever I got the buisybox message, it meant that my hard drive was loaded incorrectly.
[18:20] <trident523> !ru | mitko
[18:20] <ubotu> mitko: Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке  / Pozhalujsta posetite #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke
[18:21] <mitko> българия
[18:21] <NightBird> there is an error stating "This (id 10ec:8139) is not an 8139C+ compatible chip" "8139cp 0000:08:02.0: Try the '8139too' driver instead."
[18:21] <NightBird> trident523: kubuntu 7.10 installed and ran from it just fine
[18:22] <trident523> NightBird: Have you asked #ubuntu? Sorry... I don't know of those sort of issues.
[18:22] <NightBird> I'll ask there since it happens to both distros
[18:23] <trident523> NightBird: I'm sort of avoiding #ubuntu right now... my brain can't take that many messages at once.
[18:24] <NightBird> trident523: I'm hoping nickname highlight will save me :P
[18:24] <linuxguymarshall> Does anyone use Automatix in KDE?
[18:24] <Dragnslcr> Hopefully no
[18:24] <dinart> i can't find the "Hardware information" on my ubuntu
[18:25] <dinart> in the help there are some refereces to it
[18:25] <dave11> !automatix
[18:25] <ubotu> Automatix is no longer developed or supported by its creators and is not recommended, supported or needed by Ubuntu. See http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html and « /msg ubotu WorksForMe »
[18:25] <trident523> linuxguymarshall: People sort of avoid automatix now... it's too much of a hasle.
[18:25] <dinart> i'm having some difficulties in installing my wireless usb adapter
[18:25] <trident523> dinart: What kind of wireless adapter?
[18:25] <dinart> !dwl g132
[18:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dwl g132 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:25] <trident523> ... oh.
[18:26] <linuxguymarshall> Dragnslcr: What are the downsides to using it? My friend just got Kubuntu but hates to compile source and work with a terminal. Is there a coultions besides Automatix for him?
[18:26] <aziz> quick question: I'm going to shrink an ext3 partition. Does qtparted also relocate the files if they reside in the blocks that are being freed?
[18:26] <trident523> dinart: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?s=a38135418b72be6d4dd28d70d4474e0d&p=909727&postcount=4
[18:26] <Dragnslcr> linuxguymarshall- has he tried Adept?
[18:27] <trident523> dinart: I follow outdated directions simetimes.
[18:27] <Dragnslcr> linuxguymarshall- most modern distributions have package managers these days
[18:27] <monolith> I upgraded to Hardy from 7.10 and now my sound doesn't work, Not in KDE not in KDE 4.  Can I state he just moved from Using M$ his whole like and ever worse just switched from Vista
[18:27] <trident523> vurv: What drivers are you using?
[18:27] <vurv> but nvidia-glx-new is installed
[18:28] <trident523> vurv: oh. What card?
[18:28] <vurv> FX 5200
[18:28] <vurv> everything was working fine in Feisty
[18:28] <Dragnslcr> linuxguymarshall- good for him, but what does liking pictures have to do with installing programs?
[18:28] <vurv> no issues
[18:28] <vurv> does glx-new have to be reinstalled or something?
[18:28] <trident523> vurv: Try running sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ... and chosing nvidia, not nv at drivers.
[18:28] <vurv> k, sec
[18:28] <ignman> how do I access the ubuntu default screensavers through kububntu?
[18:29] <monolith> trident523: Wait, scratch that. I just realised the 'PCM' slider was set to minimum in KMix. Sorry about that...
[18:29] <linuxguymarshall> Dragnslcr:He likes less text. He likes to click on an exe file and be done. Sure he can dig around the web for a .deb or install wine but for some reason everyone I convert hates package managers
[18:29] <trident523> monolith: Happens, people were up in arms about my model that the headphone port didn't work.
[18:30] <trident523> monolith: turns out, no one thought about the headphone slider/it got fixed in 8.04.
[18:30] <trident523> linuxguymarshall: What's wrong with a list? Click it off, click install... sit back and relax?
[18:31] <Dragnslcr> linuxguymarshall- if they prefer hunting around dozens of websites instead of typing in a name (or even just part of a name or description) and clicking the Install button, I don't know what else you can tell them
[18:31] <monolith> trident523: Ahh, I'm haveing some other problems with the upgrade though. Amarok won't read from the MySQL database I use for it's database properly.
[18:31] <Dragnslcr> linuxguymarshall- it really doesn't get much easier than Adept
[18:31] <navetz> can somebody please help me get a mail server set up?
[18:31] <trident523> monolith: Well, you're better than I. I use sqlite. :P
[18:31] <vurv> trident523: hm, didn't ask me for that
[18:32] <vurv> just a bunch of keyboard questions
[18:32] <vurv> hm
[18:32] <trident523> vurv: Well, try restarting and see what happens?
[18:32] <vurv> nothing
[18:32] <linuxguymarshall> Dragnslcr:Yeah, I know.  It seems to have reset all the track data after the upgrade for when I just load tracks via Album view. It's started a new playcount for example. But when I load the same song with a dynamic playlist. the orginal data apperas...
[18:33] <trident523> vurv: Hmm.
[18:33] <Dragnslcr> linuxguymarshall- Adept Install (KMenu -> Add/Remove Programs) even organizes everything by category
[18:33] <Dragnslcr> Er, Adept Installer
[18:34] <matrix> where i am
[18:34] <trident523> monolith: Well, maybe the newer amarok writes some data differently? Try asking their devs... maybe submit a bug?
[18:34] <monolith> trident523: Righty, I'll take this to the #amarok chanel. Thanks for the help anyway!
[18:34] <linuxguymarshall> Dragnslcr:Ok. I will relay that on to him
[18:35] <trident523> Y'know, if I am really on #kubuntu... I should be running KDE.
[18:36] <JoshOvki> trident523: does that mean i should really be just in  #kubuntu-kde4 ?;)
[18:36] <linuxguymarshall> In my Linux Format magazine I got the other day it had a dvd with some programs, FreeBSD,Ubuntu 7.10 and KDE4 Live. What OS is the KDE 4 live most likely build off of?
[18:37] <trident523> linuxguymarshall: OpenSUSE.
[18:37] <trident523> linuxguymarshall: It's probably this: http://home.kde.org/~binner/kde-four-live/
[18:37] <BluesKaj> trident523, there is an #ubuntu room :)
[18:37] <linuxguymarshall> trident523:Thanks
[18:38] <DreadKnight> !ldap
[18:38] <ubotu> LDAP is the Lightweight Directory Access Protocol. For more information and installation instructions, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenLDAPServer
[18:38] <trident523> BluesKaj: I'm afraid of it... too many people around after a release.
[18:39] <trident523> Eh. Switching to KDE... running more KDE apps than GTK apps.
[18:39] <Odd-rationale> trident523: good choice!
[18:39] <v6lur> what's the quickest way to rip some 20 CDs?
[18:39] <Odd-rationale> v6lur: one at a time...
[18:39] <linuxguymarshall> v6lur:Starting now
[18:40] <yakuzi> i've a problem: i did a clean install with 8.04, but now kontact keeps crashing on me (like some e-mails don't show while they are there, quickly followed with a crash)
[18:40] <BluesKaj> therte were alotta ppl here 2 days ago too , but I guess a lot still don't understand that kde is the better desktop :)
[18:40] <linuxguymarshall> What media player do you guys use?
[18:41] <Algyz> linuxguymarshall:  try some of them
[18:41] <trident523> Hello again.
[18:41] <BluesKaj> kaffeine is a good one
[18:41] <JoshOvki> linuxguymarshall: VLC for videos and amarok for music
[18:41] <Algyz> totem also good
[18:41] <Odd-rationale> kaffeine works great for me too
[18:41] <linuxguymarshall> JoshOvki:that is what I am currently using
[18:42] <Odd-rationale> is there a qt/kde vlc frontend in the repos?
[18:42] <v6lur> Odd-rationale, linuxguymarshall, :D
[18:42] <v6lur> i meant, which program or so...
[18:43] <Odd-rationale> v6lur: k3b works great
[18:43] <Odd-rationale> brb. got to check the integrity of an iso I just burnt for a friend...
[18:44] <v6lur> ok, will try... right now i'm using konqueror and it's "virtual folders" feature, but it takes ~ 30 min per disc :(
[18:45] <Odd-rationale> v6lur: I never used that virtual folder feature.
[18:45] <Odd-rationale> v6lur: how does that work?
[18:45] <Odd-rationale> copy/paste?
[18:45] <tanio> hola..
[18:45] <linuxguymarshall> If my dad has a Windows server with all the music stored on it How can I access it through Amarok. Currently I can access it throught
[18:45] <tanio> que hay ..por aqui
[18:46] <linuxguymarshall> Konquerer but not throught amarok
[18:46] <tekteen> !es | tanio
[18:46] <ubotu> tanio: Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[18:46] <tanio> mucha gracias ..Ñ=
[18:46] <trident523> linuxguymarshall: Well, two ways.
[18:46] <v6lur> Odd-rationale, you insert audio CD, open it in konqueror, and it shows several "virtual" files and directories there
[18:46] <v6lur> mp3, ogg, etc
[18:46] <Odd-rationale> v6lur: I noticed that.
[18:47] <trident523> linuxguymarshall:the way I do it is through tangerine and DAAP sharing... which can take some configuration.
[18:47] <v6lur> you an just drag them from there
[18:47] <Odd-rationale> v6lur: so If I want flac, just open the flac folder?
[18:47] <v6lur> yep
[18:47] <v6lur> and drag from there
[18:47] <Odd-rationale> copy/paste, done?
[18:47] <v6lur> yes
[18:47] <v6lur> but
[18:47] <trident523> linuxguymarshall: Tangerine is an app that you run on the host PC... then you can connect to it in amarok by setting up a share... it's not too hard.
[18:47] <v6lur> but it's terribly slow
[18:48] <v6lur> tried soundkonverter earlier, but that wasn't much faster eitherquicker
[18:48] <v6lur> either*
[18:48] <coreymon77> hey everyone, meet Berzerker
[18:48] <Odd-rationale> v6lur: i doubt k3b would increase the speed though
[18:48] <Odd-rationale> since they probably use the same backend
[18:49] <v6lur> i feared that
[18:49] <trident523> linuxguymarshall: To do DAAP in amarok go to settings -> configure amarok -> media devices -> add -> pick music share ... and be done.
[18:49] <Odd-rationale> anyways. brb...
[18:49] <coreymon77> Berzerker: so, what exactly is the matter
[18:49] <v6lur> anything else to try?
[18:49] <Berzerker> well, after I installed, I would hold option on boot up and a second drive would not show up
[18:49] <Berzerker> I'm trying to avoid using refit
[18:51] <trident523> Berzerker: Did you... uh, install boot camp... and follow the directions?
[18:51] <Berzerker> I didn't do it with boot camp
[18:51] <Berzerker> I supposed I should though
[18:52] <coreymon77> i would think so probably
[18:52] <trident523> Berzerker: Well, let me find some good directions for that.
[18:52] <coreymon77> better off using bootcamp
[18:52] <Berzerker> Well I know how to do it
[18:52] <Berzerker> I just didn't do it with that
[18:52] <trident523> Berzerker: Just remember to replace the formatted windows drive.
[18:52] <jhutchins> Berzerker: You have to have a bootloader that will show both options, refit, elilo, some versions of grub will.
[18:53] <dinart> to the one that helped me with dwl g132
[18:53] <dinart> thank you ^
[18:53] <dinart> ^^
[18:53] <coreymon77> jhutchins!!!!
[18:53] <dinart> i'm at the wireless conection now
[18:53] <jhutchins> ...Or so i hear about elilo & grub.  Most people use boot camp, but I think refit's pretty good.
[18:53] <coreymon77> i havent talked to you in ages!
[18:53] <trident523> dinart: No problem.
[18:54] <Dragnslcr> Hm, has anyone tried upgrading from the DVD and gotten a permission denied error on kdesu /cdrom/cdromupgrade?
[18:54] <jhutchins> When I installed kubuntu on a mini, it wouldn't boot to the OS-X install any more until I installed refit.
[18:54] <dinart> trident523:  just worked ^^
[18:54] <coreymon77> Berzerker: youre prob better off using either bootcamp or refit, and im better at helping once kubuntu is installed and booted :p
[18:54] <Berzerker> heh
[18:54] <terrestre> kde4 in heron its stable? or better just kde3?
[18:54] <coreymon77> jhutchins: hows it going man?
[18:54] <coreymon77> terrestre: its been stable for a while
[18:55] <trident523> terrestre: In heron is's okay... some stuff is a bit odd for me still.
[18:55] <coreymon77> terrestre: just not enough to make it the default
[18:55] <trident523> terrestre: ... it does run. That's good.
[18:55] <jhutchins> coreymon77: Crazy full time job these days.
[18:55] <coreymon77> thats why kubuntu hardy is not an lts
[18:55] <coreymon77> canonical prob didnt want an lts with kde4 still not fully stable
[18:56] <terrestre> so better kde3 for a noob?
[18:56] <coreymon77> terrestre: as of now, yes
[18:56] <trident523> terrestre: debateable.
[18:56] <coreymon77> jhutchins: still havent gotten around to getting some sort of cloak, or becoming a kubuntu member huh?
[18:56] <chairmeleon> anyone here running audacious?
[18:57] <terrestre> mmm
[18:57] <coreymon77> Berzerker: so ya, try it with BC
[18:57] <Berzerker> partitioning now
[18:57] <jhutchins> No, I mostly work with CentOS, and run Mandriva by choice, so I'm a bit out of touch with kubuntu.
[18:57] <terrestre> coreymon77, trident523 thanks for your opinion
[18:57] <trident523> chairmeleon: Uh... why?
[18:57] <Seven_Six_Two> can I have kde3 and kde4 installed at the same time?
[18:57] <Dragnslcr> terrestre- probably better to stick with KDE3 for now. KDE4 is still missing a few things that are supposed to be ready for 4.1
[18:58] <coreymon77> Seven_Six_Two: yup
[18:58] <terrestre> Dragnslcr, thanks
[18:58] <Berzerker> does it matter if I install from a DVD or not?
[18:58] <crash> howdy
[18:58] <Berzerker> like I downloaded the CD image, but I put it on a DVD
[18:58] <jhutchins> Berzerker: For what it's worth, we're doing about six sites using dual mac mini's for banking servers.
[18:58] <Seven_Six_Two> coreymon77, thanks. I'm going to try it..
[18:58] <trident523> chairmeleon: Most things have other codecs... you don't need to really use that... unless you want to.
[18:58] <Dragnslcr> Berzerker- that shouldn't matter
[18:58] <Berzerker> ok
[18:58] <jhutchins> Berzerker: nope.
[18:58] <Berzerker> will install now
[18:58] <Berzerker> brb
[18:58] <chairmeleon> trident523: what do you mean other codecs?
[18:58] <jhutchins> Time for lunch, laters.
[18:58] <chairmeleon> I want a simple winamp clone, so I went for audacious, the audio player
[18:59] <terrestre> its some one using ufw?
[18:59] <chairmeleon> but I can't stop it from opening multiple instances
[18:59] <trident523> chairmeleon: Well, there are plenty of other media players that I (opinion follows) think are better... and support more stuff.
[18:59] <Dragnslcr> Bleh, wish the DVD upgrade would work. I hate sucking up the servers' bandwidth when I don't really need to
[18:59] <Seven_Six_Two> chairmeleon, wouldn't xmms be closer?
[18:59] <chairmeleon> Seven_Six_Two: can't find it in hardy heron repos, think audacious replaced it
[19:00] <chairmeleon> trident523: ok, gimme one?
[19:00] <chairmeleon> sure you guys are not thinking about audacity, the recording software?
[19:00] <Seven_Six_Two> chairmeleon, well it would be a simple build I think. Or just install a deb by hand
[19:00] <trident523> chairmeleon: Well, you are in kubuntu... so, kaffiene as an audio player is good, amarok as a bloated manager... JuK...
[19:01] <chairmeleon> trident523: what were you thinking outside of kubuntu/kde?
[19:01] <trident523> chairmeleon: Rythmbox, totem, and some older stuff that I used to use.
[19:01] <trident523> chairmeleon: Probably because I never liked xmms.
[19:02] <chairmeleon> trident523: well, I myself run rhythmbox in gnome, but my dad wants a dead simple winamp clone
[19:03] <trident523> chairmeleon: dead simple? When was winamp ever... simple? :P
[19:03] <crash> well
[19:03] <crash> that was annoying
[19:03] <crash> wth happened
[19:03] <Frederick> folks which program can I use to generate a restauration point in my system?
[19:03] <trident523> chairmeleon: Anyhow... beep player is the other fork, and I think is still in the repo.
[19:03] <yao_ziyuan> my normal user account is "yaoziyuan"
[19:03] <trident523> Frederick: Full backup is the easiest way to go.
[19:03] <yao_ziyuan> i checked it out in System Settings -> User Accounts
[19:04] <chairmeleon> trident523: bmp won't run, complaining that dbus is not on, while it certainly is
[19:04] <yao_ziyuan> i found out that it has the power to "Administer the System"
[19:04] <yao_ziyuan> why?
[19:04] <Frederick> trident523: how?
[19:04] <yao_ziyuan> when i want to administer the system, i need to sudo or kdesu
[19:04] <coreymon77> thats right yao
[19:04] <yao_ziyuan> why does User Accounts say this normal account can "administer the system"?
[19:04] <trident523> Frederick: Well, Keep is a kde program that does full backups of files... then all you need to do if things go south is re-install and put the files back in.
[19:05] <coreymon77> it means that you are allowed to use the sudo or kdesu command yao
[19:05] <trident523> yao_ziyuan: because people tend to not mind sudo privledges... you can de-sudo them though. But I on;y remember how to do that in gnome.
[19:05] <sigma_1234> is there a problem with video playback in hardy? slight jerks in the video
[19:06] <coreymon77> yao_ziyuan: you can disallow someone to use the sudo command
[19:06] <yao_ziyuan> trident523: ah
[19:06] <trident523> sigma_1234: Probably related to your graphics card. Or something.
[19:06] <yao_ziyuan> i'm actually trying to create another user account "backup" of the same class as "yaoziyuan"
[19:06] <trident523> Eh, kde4 didn't load my audiomixer. See you all again on the flipside.
[19:06] <yao_ziyuan> in case some virus/trojan ruined "yaoziyuan"'s startup scripts (such as ~/.kde/Autostart)
[19:07] <sigma_1234> no it worked fine in gutsy. and on my laptop its even worse
[19:07] <coreymon77> umm, linux virus?
[19:07] <yao_ziyuan> and took over the system by spawning multiple processes that recover each other if i kill any of them
[19:07] <coreymon77> do those even exist?
[19:08] <karaluh> i've got problems booting hardy with 2.6.24 kernel
[19:08] <yao_ziyuan> if a virus takes control of account "yaoziyuan",
[19:08] <coreymon77> no virus could do anything without the root password, so, they are pretty much powerless
[19:08] <coreymon77> yao_ziyuan: even still
[19:08] <yao_ziyuan> does it also mean it takes control of the user group "yaoziyuan"?
[19:08] <Dragnslcr> coreymon77- sure you can write a script that deletes the user's files and starts spawning new processes
[19:08] <coreymon77> yao_ziyuan: unless it has the root password, a virus cant do jack
[19:09] <Dragnslcr> coreymon77- you just have to get the user to execute the script
[19:09] <Boohbah> coreymon77: it can delete all files owned by your user
[19:09] <yao_ziyuan> coreymon77: but it can put things in ~/.kde/Autostart?
[19:09] <coreymon77> good point
[19:09] <Boohbah> coreymon77: it can also escalate its privileges to root using a local exploit on your user account
[19:09] <psyco> hello
[19:10] <trident523> Hi, psyco, this is #kubuntu.
[19:10] <yao_ziyuan> Boohbah: is the "local" exploit recently disclosed in slashdot/wired.com which is a CPU-based attack? :)
[19:10] <coreymon77> i think he knows that trident
[19:11] <karaluh> hardy kernel doesn't recognize any drives, what can i do?
[19:11] <trident523> coreymon77: Hi, coreymon77, you are coreymon77. This is #kubuntu. I am trident. The sky is blue.
[19:11] <coreymon77> lol
[19:11] <coreymon77> its actually grey right now where i am :P
[19:11] <terrestre> oooh i read the most funny post about the world new ubuntu uncomplicated firewall
[19:11] <Boohbah> yao_ziyuan: well if, you're talking about the recent vmsplice local kernel exploit, yes :)
[19:11] <psyco> Can someone help me. I am currently partitoning my HD. I want to install /home on a seperate partion (I know how to do that) but I also want to install two distros so that I can dual boot. Can onyone help me with that? Like how to partiton the parts??
[19:11] <psyco> XD thanks trident523
[19:12] <trident523> psyco: While I have no idea how to do either of those things... what's the other distro you are thinking of? (always interested in stuff like that)
[19:13] <psyco> Well I am going to install Kubuntu then have another one open for experimenting with different distros.
[19:13] <trident523> psyco: Well, I bet if you install kubuntu second, it will have the correct GRUB settings...
[19:13] <karaluh> psyco: do you want to have /home shared between those two distros?
[19:14] <trident523> psyco: Or, use the super GRUB disk, and fix it each time. But I'm not to sure.
[19:14] <psyco> karaluh: yes
[19:14] <trident523> too*
[19:14] <psyco> trident523: grub confuses me (shiver, ugh grub.....), I'm sure there is a simpler way
[19:15] <trident523> psyco: Use LILO? :P
[19:15] <psyco> 0.o
[19:15] <karaluh> psyco: i'm not sure if it is a good idea, but if you realy want to you have to create at least 4 partitions
[19:16] <trident523> Aw crimitey.  Time for a re-boot.
[19:16] <psyco> I see..
[19:16] <dinart> my ubuntu has no mp3 codec
[19:16] <dinart> can someone tell me one?
[19:17] <psyco> karaluh: I think it is possible and practical, I just want to know :
[19:17] <BluesKaj> dinart, sudo apt-get install libk3b2-mp3 , then, sudo aptitude install libxine1-ffmpeg
[19:17] <psyco> Do I just have like two partitions with mountpoints / and then a /home?
[19:17] <psyco> (and a swap)
[19:17] <Boohbah> ahh, libk3b2-mp3
[19:17] <Boohbah> i was looking for that the other day
[19:18] <Boohbah> why doesn't ubuntu distribute mp3 with k3b? license/royalty issues?
[19:18] <trait> does anybody know where kadressbook saves its adresses?
[19:18] <trait> Boohbah
[19:18] <Dragnslcr> Boohbah- mp3 is patented
[19:18] <Seven_Six_Two> how long do the servers normally get hammered for a new release?
[19:18] <trait> somehow i made it woking with mp3
[19:18] <trait> but do not remember atm
[19:18] <Boohbah> trait: somewhere in ~/.kde/share/apps/
[19:18] <BluesKaj> dinart, you might need to add the medibuntu sources to your sources.list or package manager
[19:18] <Berzerker> no dice on it showing up
[19:18] <trait> yes somewhere :)
[19:18] <Berzerker> I guess I'll have to install refit
[19:18] <Boohbah> trait: yeah i think that libk3b2-mp3
[19:19] <Frederick> folks flash seems to have died in my machien I have no error message justa grey screen any ideas?
[19:19] <trait> maybe :)
[19:19] <karaluh> psyco: 1st for kubuntu /, 2nd for other distro /, 3rd for swap and 4th for /home
[19:19] <Dragnslcr> psyco- you'll need at least a home partition, two system partitions (one for each OS), and a swap partition
[19:19] <Dragnslcr> psyco- depending on what CPU you have, it might be better to experiment with other distributions by installing them into virtual machines
[19:20] <Berzerker> brb
[19:20] <Boohbah> libk3b2-extracodecs in hardy, apparently
[19:20] <psyco> karaluh: I think I found a guide on google.
[19:20] <BluesKaj> trait, try kontact/contacts
[19:20] <karaluh> Dragnslcr: but you don't have shared home then
[19:21] <Boohbah> karaluh: yeah but you're not going to actually use all those distros
[19:21] <Boohbah> karaluh: and you can setup shared folders in virtualbox
[19:22] <Dragnslcr> karaluh- true, but there may be a way to fake it (or just copy /home and/or rsync it between the host and VM)
[19:22] <Boohbah> psyco: ^^
[19:22] <psyco> Boohbah: Well I have an amd athlon 2200+ I think. Its 1.8Ghz
[19:22] <yao_ziyuan> i failed to duplicate my current user account :(
[19:22] <Boohbah> psyco: how muchRAM?
[19:22] <yao_ziyuan> i created one using exactly the same options as the original "yaoziyuan"
[19:22] <Dragnslcr> psyco- an older Athlon XP?
[19:22] <psyco> Boohbah: 512, but I'm thinking about getting another 1GB soon/
[19:22] <yao_ziyuan> it can't login to a kde session
[19:22] <psyco> Yes. Its an old PC
[19:22] <Boohbah> yao_ziyuan: they can't have the same UID
[19:22] <yao_ziyuan> Boohbah: they don't
[19:23] <yao_ziyuan> the system says its preferences folder is in use by another session
[19:23] <Boohbah> yao_ziyuan: your new user is in the same groups as your old user?
[19:23] <trait> BluesKaj , there is no folder called kontact
[19:23] <yao_ziyuan> Boohbah: no, it's in "backup_1"
[19:23] <yao_ziyuan> Boohbah: it's called "backup"
[19:23] <karaluh> Dragnslcr: i think dual boot is easier to set up
[19:24] <Berzerker> heh
[19:24] <BluesKaj> trait, look in the kmenu for am app called kontact
[19:24] <Berzerker> forgot to enable
[19:24] <Boohbah> yao_ziyuan: that's the primary group, you need to add it to all the other groups to give it access, like 'adm disk dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev scanner lpadmin admin netdev powerdev vboxusers'
[19:24] <yao_ziyuan> i added
[19:24] <yao_ziyuan> just like "yaoziyuan" has
[19:24] <Berzerker> forgot to enable it. heh
[19:24] <yao_ziyuan> "admin", "dip", ...
[19:24] <Boohbah> does backup1 have a home folder?
[19:24] <trait> i'm using an other homefolder and don't want to add a new user
[19:25] <yao_ziyuan> Boohbah: yes
[19:25] <Boohbah> and wirte permissions to it?
[19:25] <trait> bj
[19:25] <trait> BluesKaj
[19:25] <bebop_> x
[19:25] <yao_ziyuan> Boohbah: write permissions i'm not sure, but i assume
[19:25] <yao_ziyuan> Boohbah: you can try it yourself:
[19:25] <Berzerker> brb
[19:25] <Dragnslcr> karaluh- could be. I haven't done much with either dual-booting or virtualization. Especially if it's an older Athlon, the virtualization might not work as well as on a CPU that supports it in hardware
[19:26] <yao_ziyuan> Boohbah: in kubuntu's system settings -> user accounts, create a new account and use the same options from your current normal user account
[19:26] <karaluh> Dragnslcr: exactly
[19:26] <yao_ziyuan> Boohbah: and then lock the current account and start a new session with that new acc
[19:26] <BluesKaj> trait, it's in the internet list
[19:26] <yao_ziyuan> *acct
[19:26] <Dragnslcr> One of these weekends I'll spend some more time trying to get the networking setup correctly for a VM
[19:27] <trait> what do you mean BluesKaj
[19:27] <coreymon77> Dragnslcr: network problems?
[19:27] <yao_ziyuan> Login Name: backup
[19:27] <coreymon77> Dragnslcr: need some help?
[19:27] <yao_ziyuan> Real Name: Backup
[19:27] <yao_ziyuan> User ID: 1001
[19:27] <yao_ziyuan> Primary Group: backup_1
[19:27] <yao_ziyuan> Home DIrectory: /home/backup
[19:27] <yao_ziyuan> Shell: /bin/bash
[19:28] <yao_ziyuan> Privileges and groups: just use yaoziyuan's, verbatim
[19:28] <yao_ziyuan> Password: make one
[19:28] <yao_ziyuan> then start a new kde session with this new account
[19:28] <yao_ziyuan> it will fail
[19:29] <BluesKaj> trait in the kmenu
[19:29] <trait> atm im using kde4
[19:30] <bebop_> un canal de puros gringos ? que flojera
[19:30] <JoshOvki> !fr | bebop_
[19:30] <ubotu> bebop_: Ce canal est en anglais uniquement. Si vous avez besoin d'aide ou voulez discuter en francais, merci de rejoindre #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr
[19:30] <Berzerker> coreymon77: now it's giving me no bootable device
[19:30]  * JoshOvki hopes he got the correct language
[19:31] <BluesKaj> !es | bebop_
[19:31] <ubotu> bebop_: Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[19:31] <bebop_> gracias
[19:31] <BluesKaj> da nada
[19:31] <BluesKaj> or is it de nada , I forget
[19:34] <epimeth> ahoy everybody!
[19:34] <trait> BluesKaj its in .kde/share/apps/kabc :)
[19:34] <yao_ziyuan> i googled this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=700630
[19:35] <yao_ziyuan> maybe it's a bug
[19:35] <yao_ziyuan> anyone can create a new user account that can successfully log into a new kde session?
[19:36] <yao_ziyuan> i think maybe a ubuntu session can do this easier
[19:36] <dinart> how can i edit menu.lst
[19:36] <dinart> it say's i'm not the owner
[19:36] <dinart> but i want to edit the boot sequence
[19:37] <psyco> What is a reasonable partition size just to hold linux and not /home
[19:38] <azUBUNTU> join #kubuntu-kde4
[19:39] <BluesKaj> trait, normally whan ppl ask about an app we direct them to the kmenu not the folder in the /home/user dir
[19:40] <zen-xstat> hello everyone, i'm having some trouble to compile ndiswrapper under kubuntu-gutsy, it fails with no rule to make asm-offsets.c needed by asm-offsets.s. Do you know how can I fix this?
[19:40] <coreymon77> zen-xstat: first thing, what card are you using?
[19:41] <zen-xstat> bcmcoreymon77: 06:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM94311MCG wlan mini-PCI (rev 01)
[19:42] <Dragnslcr> coreymon77- ideally I want to get the bridge working so that the VM and host can connect to each other normally (my computer has two Ethernet ports, so the VM can use a separate port from the host)
[19:42] <trait> don't understand you, BluesKaj
[19:42] <coreymon77> zen-xstat: wow, never heard of the card
[19:42] <coreymon77> you sure its not bcm4311
[19:43] <coreymon77> you sure theres that 9 in there?
[19:43] <zen-xstat> coreymon77: I have installed ndiswrapper-common and ndiswrapper-utils-1.9 from repositories but no kernel module found in packages
[19:43] <coreymon77> zen-xstat: are you sure your card has that 9 in there
[19:43] <zen-xstat> coreymon77: it is a copy-paste
[19:43] <coreymon77> hmm
[19:43] <BluesKaj> trait , i thought you were looking for your email contact list , so i told you where to find it the easiest way , is that clear ?
[19:43] <coreymon77> darn, cause if it was jsut 4311, that would be much easier
[19:44] <epimeth> does anybody know how to connect kontact with exchange?
[19:44] <trait> ah ok :)
[19:44] <zen-xstat> coreymon77 i think that if i can get ndiswrapper working properly the windows driver will work, but i cant compile clearly
[19:44] <Berzerker> ok
[19:44] <Berzerker> I got it
[19:45] <coreymon77> zen-xstat: hmm, sorry, its been a long while since i used ndis
[19:45] <coreymon77> Berzerker: it worked?
[19:45] <ubuntu> guys, i've lost GRUB, and i started my computer with a live CD so i can reinstall it... i mounted my / partition, i chroot'd there, and when i tried to do grub-install, i noticed my hda didn't exist under /dev
[19:45] <Berzerker> yes
[19:45] <Berzerker> I had to resync the partition tables with refit
[19:45] <ubuntu> any idea how to make it appear so i can make grub-install ?
[19:45] <zen-xstat> coreymon77: maybe there is a problem in the kernel sources provided in gutsy or the kernel headers...
[19:46] <Berzerker> coreymon77: how do I connect my bluetooth mouse?
[19:46] <coreymon77> Berzerker: umm, with bluetooth :P
[19:46] <zen-xstat> coreymon77: thanks anyway
[19:46] <coreymon77> Berzerker: what are you using now?
[19:47] <BluesKaj> ubuntu , why are installing grub seperately ,...it's automatic with the live cd install
[19:47] <Berzerker> the trackpad
[19:47] <Berzerker> it's horrible
[19:47] <Berzerker> I want to use the mightymouse
[19:47] <ubuntu> BluesKaj: i reinstalled windows
[19:47] <BluesKaj> oops
[19:47] <BluesKaj> after installing kubuntu I'll bet
[19:47] <yao_ziyuan> i just went to a gnome session
[19:47] <Berzerker> what's the firefox 3 package called
[19:47] <yao_ziyuan> and created a new user there
[19:47] <BluesKaj> !grub
[19:47] <ubuntu> BluesKaj: yup
[19:47] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[19:47] <Berzerker> and is it on apt?
[19:47] <yao_ziyuan> and logged into a new kde session using that new user
[19:48] <yao_ziyuan> man, you have to admit that gnome is a more mature desktop
[19:48] <coreymon77> Berzerker: bluetooth is built in right?
[19:48] <coreymon77> Berzerker: isnt the might mouse corded?
[19:49] <yao_ziyuan> or kubuntu hardy is just too young?
[19:49] <BluesKaj> yao_ziyuan, you mean old and wrinkled
[19:49] <Berzerker> coreymon77: I have the wireless one
[19:49] <ubuntu> BluesKaj: what i usually do after loosing it (after reinstalling windows) is bootup with a livecd, mount / partition, chroot there, then grub-install /dev/hda and that's it... but now, my hda disk is no longer appearing under /dev :(
[19:49] <yao_ziyuan> BluesKaj: if you use the Nimbus gnome theme and Ubuntu Hardy's default wallpaper, it seems gnome is very cool
[19:50] <BluesKaj> ubuntu, do you have super grub boot disk ,if not it's highly recommended for solving the boot/grubmenu prob
[19:50] <coreymon77> Berzerker: well, go into system settings
[19:50] <coreymon77> Berzerker: and enable bluetooth
[19:50] <coreymon77> then pair this thing like usual
[19:50] <Berzerker> it's enabled
[19:50] <psyco> What will happen if I partition TWO / mount points??
[19:51] <coreymon77> Berzerker: then pair with your mouse
[19:51] <Berzerker> it says connected
[19:51] <Berzerker> but it doesn't work
[19:51] <coreymon77> it says you are connected?
[19:51] <Berzerker> connected to wireless mouse
[19:51] <Berzerker> and it gives the mac address
[19:52] <BluesKaj> yao_ziyuan, being an old windows guy , i prefer the familiar look of kde :)
[19:52] <coreymon77> okay, so, its just not responding?
[19:52] <yao_ziyuan> BluesKaj: me too
[19:52] <yao_ziyuan> BluesKaj: but let me give you a look of my gnome desktop
[19:53] <karaluh> can anyone help with unbootable hardy kernel?
[19:53] <coreymon77> Berzerker: have you tried restarting
[19:54] <Berzerker> I got it
[19:54] <Berzerker> I did it via the command line
[19:55] <coreymon77> okay then
[19:55] <Berzerker> hcitool -scan
[19:55] <Berzerker> and sudo hidd --connect
[19:55] <Berzerker> etc.
[19:55] <BluesKaj> karaluh, pls explain
[19:55] <coreymon77> sorry im not of much help, my kubuntu box doesnt have bt
[19:55] <Berzerker> it's fine, I did it before, I just forgot how
[19:55] <Berzerker> quick google search helped
[19:55] <coreymon77> im assuming wifi works fine
[19:55] <Berzerker> nope
[19:55] <karaluh> BluesKaj: after upgrade i've got kernel panic on hardy kernel
[19:55] <coreymon77> Berzerker: yay, thats what im good at
[19:56] <karaluh> BluesKaj: gutsy one drops to busybox
[19:56] <szymon_g> hi
[19:56] <coreymon77> Berzerker: so, chipset?
[19:56] <Berzerker> hold on
[19:56] <Berzerker> my dad needs me to work on somethi00:14:51:D2:AE:88ng
[19:56] <Berzerker> something*...
[19:56] <karaluh> BluesKaj: there are no disk devices on /dev
[19:56] <Berzerker> mac address for my mouse, if anyone wants it
[19:56] <Berzerker> :P
[19:56] <Berzerker> afk
[19:56] <Berzerker> coreymon77: sorry, bbl
[19:57] <coreymon77> k, no problem
[19:57] <karaluh> BluesKaj: the kernel panic message is abount not being able to mount root
[19:57] <szymon_g> ekhm, i just installed kubuntu 8.04 on my computer, and i wonder : where is wizzard? after deletion of default .kde folder kubuntu restores default view instad of giving me a possibility to change it (like in 3.x.x) :|
[19:57] <karaluh> BluesKaj: i bootet with rescue cd
[19:57] <BluesKaj> karaluh, is it an older pc ?
[19:58] <andrew_> are there any Kubuntu developers online ?
[19:58] <karaluh> BluesKaj: 3-4 years
[19:58] <coreymon77> karaluh: #kubuntu-devel
[19:59] <BluesKaj> hmm karaluh , strange , and you can't drop down to gutsy ?
[20:00] <karaluh> BluesKaj: gutsy kernel gives me busybox with no disk devices
[20:00] <BluesKaj> or the older kernel rayjer
[20:01] <yao_ziyuan> BluesKaj: http://tinyurl.com/54tptk
[20:01] <The_ManU_212> i want 3d acceleration what to install for nvidia 6600gt?
[20:01] <yao_ziyuan> everybody see my ubuntu desktop: http://tinyurl.com/54tptk
[20:02] <karaluh> BluesKaj: i reverted initramfs to the one generated on gutsy
[20:02] <yao_ziyuan> ain't it cool :)
[20:02] <karaluh> BluesKaj: and it worked
[20:02] <BluesKaj> karaluh, good
[20:03] <BluesKaj> yao_ziyuan, nice ...doesn't make me want to change to gnome tho :)
[20:03] <karaluh> BluesKaj: but i would like to get 2.6.24 working
[20:04] <BluesKaj> karaluh, try upgrading with adept on the older kernel
[20:04] <karaluh> BluesKaj: tried that with no luck
[20:06] <andrew_> mount.nfs reports "internal error" when trying to connect to a server
[20:06] <BluesKaj> hmm karaluh , sorry I'm not really well versed in handling kernel panics ... coreymon77 ?
[20:08] <andrew_> andrew@apollo:~/Download/DEB$ sudo mount /zeus
[20:08] <andrew_> [sudo] password for andrew:
[20:08] <andrew_> mount.nfs: internal error
[20:08] <andrew_> andrew@apollo:~/Download/DEB$
[20:09] <coreymon77> BluesKaj: you think im any better?
[20:10] <coreymon77> i have no clue
[20:10] <BluesKaj> coreymon77, I thought I'd ask anyway  :)
[20:12] <BluesKaj> We don't seem to have many of the regular "heavy Hitters" / "Gurus" here today :(
[20:12] <coreymon77> i just dont know anything about kernel panics
[20:12] <bent_> They're all fighting off the throng that appears to be #ubuntu, my guess.
[20:12] <coreymon77> ???
[20:12] <coreymon77> whats going on in ubuntu?
[20:12] <bent_> And my nick got stolen before I forgot to identify.
[20:12] <coreymon77> bent_: no worries
[20:13] <bent_> 8.04 came out recently. People have problems, and IRC attacked.
[20:13] <bent_> ... they attacked IRC*
[20:13] <coreymon77> bent_: you can get your nick back
[20:13] <coreymon77> bent_: whats your normal nick?
[20:13] <BluesKaj> or they're hiding out and letting we apprentices hold the fort under the hardy onslaught :)
[20:13] <bent_> trident523... and I like identified, but I forgot to... login.
[20:13] <coreymon77> bent_: okay then ghost the person
[20:14] <coreymon77> bent_: is this nick linked to your other one?
[20:14] <bent_> coreymon77: How does one go about doing that?
[20:14] <bent_> coreymon77: Nope.
[20:14] <coreymon77> bent_: do you have an alt nick?
[20:14] <karaluh> ok, i'll try my luck on #ubuntu then :)
[20:14] <bent_> coreymon77: Nah, didn't get around to it. :/
[20:14] <evil> how i can change the background of the kicker bar
[20:14] <BluesKaj> karaluh, yeah thy might be of more help ATM
[20:15] <coreymon77> bent_: well register an alt under the same password as your regular nick
[20:15] <coreymon77> bent_:  then type /msg nickserv link trident523 [your password]
[20:15] <coreymon77> bent_: then /msg nickserv ghost trident523
[20:15] <coreymon77> bent_: then /nick trident523
[20:16] <ilpanda> 7list
[20:16] <harley> evil: open kcontrol and go to Desktop --> Panels.  Then click on the Appearance tab and you'll see it under Appearance tab
[20:16] <trident523> Thanks, coreymon77.
[20:17] <harley> *under Panel Background
[20:17] <coreymon77> no problemo!
[20:17] <psyco> When installing a linux distro, is there an option to skip the boot loader installation??
[20:17] <trident523> psyco: depends on the installer
[20:17] <coreymon77> psyco: and why would you want to do that, you kinda need the bootloader to boot
[20:17] <chosig> silly package managers... making apache a dependency in the php5 deb...
[20:17]  * trident523 just tried to boot his i386 system with the i686 disk. Sigh.
[20:18] <psyco> coreymon77: If I want to install two linux distros but Id ont want the second to write over GRUB.
[20:18] <epimeth> does anybody know how to connect kontact with exchange?
[20:18] <coreymon77> wouldnt it just write over grub with grub, updating it? or am i mistaken
[20:19] <psyco> I dont know but I read that the first disto disappears from the list.
[20:19] <coreymon77> okay then, i must be mistaken
[20:20] <Dragnslcr> chosig- did you try installing php5-cli instead?
[20:20] <psyco> trident523: SO for example. Does kubuntu have that option?
[20:21] <trident523> psyco: I didn't see it when I use ubiquity (regular ubuntu installer,) but I did accidently do it once in some other installer. Forgetting to install a bootloader. That was a fun day.
[20:21] <harley> If you install the command line base system from the alternate cd you get a more debian like installer you can choose to install grub or not
[20:22] <psyco> trident523: lol ok
[20:23] <chosig> Dragnslcr: ah, thanks... (still don't understand why apache's a dependency tho :P)
[20:23] <Dragnslcr> chosig- of php5, or php5-cli?
[20:24] <harley> Anyone here know why the cd icon doesn't pop up on the desktop when I put in a cd?
[20:25] <iskaldur> hi, im having trouble with k3b: it doesn't access any cddb info, even though i have remote CDDB queries enabled. is there some special server i need to use? (im using freedb2.org, port 80)
[20:25] <chosig> Dragnslcr: apache2 installes with php5
[20:27] <tsb> I'm trying to complete the 8.04 install by doing -f install, but I'm getting "ubuntu-desktop: Depends: rss-glx but it is not installable"
[20:27] <Level15> hi. does any of you guys have by any chance the OS-L icon set?
[20:27] <Level15> the download link is broken :(
[20:33] <Dragnslcr> chosig- "php5" may be a metapackage that installs the Apache module. php5-cli is probably just the CLI executable
[20:44] <danya_> Hi , I'm on Ubuntu 7.10 .. I was looking for my trash icon but i cant find it :S .. how can I get it back ?
[20:45] <trident523> danya_: in KDE? Well...
[20:46] <dennister> so how's the feedback as to how hardy's working out since the release?
[20:46] <trident523> danya_: I think you cam make a shortcut to *yourhomedirectory/.trash
[20:46] <trident523> dennister: Just like 7.10, extreme hit, and extreme miss. Luckily, I got an extreme hit... ubuntu booted on this computer.
[20:46] <danya_> dennister : no Gnome
[20:47] <harley> dennister:  Works fine for me
[20:47] <VousDeux> What command can I execute to modify my touchpad settings? The keyboard & mouse settings don't even have it listed.
[20:47] <chris__> I am having a problem with my CD-ROM, just installed Kubuntu last night, I put a CD-RW in the drive with my files, to put back on my system. says unable to identify CD-Rom format, any ideas? I am new. Plz bare with me
[20:48] <trident523> chris__: Well, two things could have gone wrong. the disk might have not been finished burning when you burned it, or something is wonky with the support for your drive in ubuntu. Try another CD... see if that works.
[20:48] <xenol> hello, i would like to ask if kde4 is enough stable for everyday work
[20:48] <trident523> chris__: Even an audioCD.
[20:49] <chris__> damn, I hope I didn't lose my shit lol
[20:49] <trident523> xenol: Stable when it works.
[20:49] <chris__> k..trying another disc
[20:49] <dennister> if someone has it working well, i need to know if there's a file called 'netkit-inetd' in the hardy repositories
[20:49] <jussio1> !ohmy | chris__
[20:49] <ubotu> chris__: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[20:50] <chris__> my bad, sorry
[20:50] <chris__>  :(
[20:51] <dennister> harley: could u pls check if netkit-inetd exists in the hardy repositories?
[20:52] <dennister> i'd really appreciate it
[20:52] <BluesKaj> dennister,
[20:52] <dennister> hi BluesKaj :)
[20:52] <xenol> when is documentation for HH is supposed to be added plz?
[20:52] <trident523> dennister: I don't see it. I see netkit-ping.
[20:52] <BluesKaj> inetd.conf updater is a package in adept
[20:52] <chris__> ahh must of been the disc
[20:52] <chris__> oh man, does that suck
[20:52] <chris__> I think I am gonna cry
[20:53] <BluesKaj> but don't see a netkit-inetd, dennister
[20:53] <dennister> ok, that's one problem...i mean i did install the release candidate on one test server, and the file i needed for the pxeinstall server wasn't available, but was hoping the full release would bring it back
[20:54] <dennister> BluesKaj: so you have hardy isntalled and its working well for u?
[20:54] <Itaku> on 8.04 how do i change the clock to 12 hour?
[20:55] <BluesKaj> yes dennister
[20:55] <BluesKaj> working quite well
[20:55] <trident523> Itaku: Hm, is it because your local normally uses 24hr clock? I'ma go look.
[20:55] <dennister> i certainly did like what i saw with xubuntu in the release candidate...but if it doesn't serve my needs...but then again, gutsy on the other server that's more established is giving me a rash, too :(
[20:55] <albuntu> hello. i have 20 upgradable in adept manager after upgrading from gutsy to hardy and when i do full upgrade it doesnt do anything and "apply changes" remains inactive
[20:55] <ksjdf> Hi. I got two sidebars in Dolphin. How do I remove one of them? couldn't find the setting.
[20:56] <dennister> and i liked kde4 at first, too...then got frustrated with it
[20:56] <trident523> !time | Itaku
[20:56] <ubotu> Itaku: Information about using and setting your computer's clock on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuTime - See https://help.ubuntu.com/7.10/server/C/NTP.html for information on usage of the Network Time Protocol (NTP)
[20:56] <psyco> what is the terminal command to see info on your HD's?? like partions and stuff
[20:56] <harley> ksjdf: you can remove the left sidebar by pressing F8 or the right sidebar with F9
[20:56] <BluesKaj> dennister , except adept updater keeps wanting to upgrade an already upgraded amarok , but otherwise fine
[20:56] <miloszg> psyco: sudo fdisk -l
[20:56] <trident523> albuntu: You might have broken packages, open adept, and look for them.
[20:56] <psyco> miloszg: ty
[20:57] <dennister> BluesKaj: did u do a clean install, or use dist-upgrade?
[20:57] <xenol> !mysql | xenol
[20:57] <martha> hi guys
[20:57] <martha> i've got a question
[20:57] <trident523> !ask | martha
[20:57] <ubotu> martha: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[20:57] <ksjdf> harley: It worked! thanks
[20:58] <harley> np
[20:58] <albuntu> trident523: no i dont have broken packages. just checked them
[20:58] <psyco> how do I find out my HD space??
[20:58] <chris__> this the exact error I get when the DVD-R I put in with my files.... "mount: block device/dev/scd0 is write-protected, mounting read-only, mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/scd0, missing codepage or helper program, or other error"
[20:58] <xenol> !mysql | xenol
[20:58] <miloszg> psyco: df -h
[20:58] <trident523> albuntu: Hm... dunno, sorry.
[20:58] <martha> how can i mount a bin/cue image?
[20:58] <psyco> miloszg: ty again
[20:58] <BluesKaj> distupgrade , but I used the US repos , cuz the Canadian one swewre so slow last week ...as it was it took 2 1/2 hrs from upgrade to reboot
[21:00] <dennister> k, that's good to know...on the gutsy server there's real probs witht he translation-en-CA areas
[21:00] <BluesKaj> dennister , I recommend using the US repos ,... check the speed of the canada ones if you have them just by doing sudo apt-get update
[21:00] <BluesKaj> youll see how slow they are
[21:01] <trident523> psyco: I just found out something related to GRUB... ubuntu dosen't have to install the GRUB boot loader...
[21:01] <dennister> yes, i do see...and still ignoring all the Translation-en_CA sources
[21:01] <trident523> psyco: Right at the "Ready to install" screen, click advanced... then there us an un-tick for bootloader.
[21:02] <psyco> trident523: &YES Awesome thanks so much
[21:02] <chris__> this the exact error I get when the DVD-R I put in with my files.... "mount: block device/dev/scd0 is write-protected, mounting read-only, mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/scd0, missing codepage or helper program, or other error"  any ideas?
[21:02] <trident523> psyco: Reinstalling another computer, just found that out.
[21:02] <BluesKaj> dennister , this my sources.list if youd like to copy the 'debs"
[21:02] <BluesKaj> http://www.pastebin.ca/998673
[21:02] <psyco> trident523: lol Thanks so much
[21:03] <dennister> are there any sql-ledger/postgres users in here? that's my other issue that's driving me totally bonkers...want to ditch sql-ledger for ledgersmb, but i can't because the backup portion of sql-ledger says it's missing a table, so i can't do the backup without backing up the problem, too
[21:03] <dennister> BluesKaj: thx :)
[21:03] <trident523> chris__: Try asking #ubuntu... maybe they know?
[21:03] <NDPTAL85> Anyone else having problems with the Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 4 ISO? I've tried to install it on two drives and after it finishes installing I can't get it to boot.
[21:03] <trident523> dennister: I saw the word SQL... but that's it. :P
[21:04] <trident523> NDPTAL85: Did you verify your burnt disks?
[21:04] <NDPTAL85> trident523: Yes
[21:04] <dennister> lol @ trident523
[21:04] <trident523> NDPTAL85: I don't know of any major trouble... it might not be installing GRUB correctly... or something.
[21:05] <dennister> maybe i should just print the whole bloody inventory and start from scratch
[21:06] <Berzerker> coreymon77: back
[21:06] <Berzerker> coreymon77: you there?
[21:06] <dennister> <------feels like crying
[21:06]  * psyco is rather happy. #kubuntu is depressing....
[21:06] <Berzerker> what's the package to control a synaptics touchpad
[21:07] <dennister> xserver-xorg wacom or something like that
[21:07] <trident523> >.> dell. What boot option is "Normal!"
[21:08] <dennister> Berzerker: xserver-xorg-input-wacom
[21:08] <Berzerker> what
[21:08] <dennister> i just looked it up in system services
[21:08] <Berzerker> it's like a program
[21:08] <Berzerker> synaptics-manager or something
[21:09] <trident523> Berzerker: I'm using a synaptics... and I didn't install anything else. Ajusting it isn't something important to me.
[21:09] <Berzerker> I want to turn it off
[21:09] <Berzerker> or at least disable tap-clicking
[21:09] <dennister> Berzerker: ur probably right...i just see wacom all over my xorg.conf file, and i stop it from starting at boot because i don't need it?
[21:09] <trident523> Berzerker: Har, I have a button for it that's not part of the keyboard.
[21:10] <nodesert> Is there anyone we can tell me why kde4 kicker is not working on my Kubuntu 8.04
[21:10] <nodesert> ?
[21:10] <Itaku> on 8.04 how do i change the clock to 12 hour?
[21:10] <PhilRod> Berzerker: look up syndaemon
[21:10] <PhilRod> might do what you want
[21:10] <Berzerker> Itaku: right click on date
[21:10] <Berzerker> Date and Time Format
[21:10] <jussio1> nodesert: Id suggest asking in #kubuntu-kde4
[21:11] <Berzerker> Time & Date tab
[21:11] <Itaku> i looked there before
[21:11] <nodesert> Itaku:right click the clock and click format time and tab
[21:11] <Berzerker> Itaku: it's there
[21:11] <Berzerker> I just changed it right now
[21:11] <x_link> Hi
[21:11] <fdoving> Itaku: systemsettings -> regional & language -> time & dates -> timeformat
[21:11] <Berzerker> PhilRod: that may be it
[21:11] <x_link> Isn't xmms in hardy?
[21:12] <albuntu> can anyone help me with this ? after the upgrade to hardy i lost my wireless connectivity. i have a intel 3945abg. no propietary drivers showing although
[21:12] <fdoving> x_link: no.
[21:12] <Berzerker> PhilRod: says package not found
[21:12] <x_link> fdoving: Okey, that really sucks =/
[21:12] <Itaku> it says HH:MM:SS
[21:12] <Berzerker> yes
[21:12] <Itaku> theres no 12 hour option
[21:12] <Berzerker> change it
[21:12] <dennister> fdoving: long time no see :)
[21:12] <harley> x_link: try audacious
[21:12] <fdoving> x_link: you can use 'beep-media-player' it's similar.
[21:12] <Berzerker> Itaku: the down arrow next to it
[21:12] <fdoving> hi dennister. :)
[21:13] <Berzerker> is the a firefox 3 beta package that can install from apt?
[21:13] <Berzerker> or do I have to build it
[21:13] <harley> from apt
[21:13] <trident523> Berzerker: fx3b5 comes with hardy.
[21:13] <Itaku> ok i changed it and its not updating
[21:13] <Berzerker> I can't find it
[21:13] <Itaku> its still 24 hour
[21:13] <Berzerker> Itaku: restart KDE
[21:13] <dennister> fdoving: do u know postgresql? and secondly (perhaps not as important) sql-ledger? u know so much...
[21:13] <trident523> Berzerker: ... like, it's the default browser. It shows up to me as the regular firefox package.
[21:13] <SlimeyPete> Berzerker: apt-get install firefox
[21:13] <Berzerker> default for me is konqueror
[21:14] <Berzerker> SlimeyPete: that installs FF2
[21:14] <x_link> harley: Okey.
[21:14] <x_link> fdoving: Okey.
[21:14] <coreymon77> Berzerker: hehe, sorry, playing wii
[21:14] <harley> apt-get install firefox-3
[21:14] <Berzerker> harley: nope
[21:14] <SlimeyPete> hrm, coulda sworn I did "apt-get install firefox"
[21:14] <Berzerker> coreymon77: heh
[21:14] <SlimeyPete> which pointed me at firefox-3
[21:14] <coreymon77> Berzerker: its apt-get install mozilla-firefox-3
[21:15]  * trident523 crosses fingers that this CD drive dosen't crap out like the last did.
[21:15] <Berzerker> still no lol
[21:15] <coreymon77> Berzerker: or, if worst comes to worse, apt-cache search is your friend
[21:15] <harley> Berzerker: apt-get install firfox-3.0
[21:15] <Berzerker> it's 3.0
[21:15] <Berzerker> yeah
[21:15] <harley> *firefox-3.0
[21:16] <amir__> How do I tell kde to display password in clear text?
[21:16] <harley> amir__: You mean so you can see your password?
[21:16] <amir__> yes
[21:16] <PhilRod> amir__: don't think it allows you to do that
[21:16] <amir__> Ugh.
[21:16] <harley> I don't think you can, but I'm not positive
[21:17] <amir__> Alright. thanks
[21:17] <sepeck> no OS will allow that
[21:17] <coreymon77> Berzerker: so, wifi, you wanna get that working?
[21:17] <NightBird> well... it would appear that I'm running 8.04 now... not sure what I did to fix the problems I was having... but it looks like it works now..
[21:17] <Berzerker> windows will probably let you
[21:17] <Berzerker> because it's windows.
[21:17] <Berzerker> coreymon77: yeah
[21:17] <coreymon77> :P
[21:17] <amir__> What's so wrong with that? I don't care about people looking over my back!
[21:18] <coreymon77> Berzerker: okay, now for what im good at
[21:18] <psyco> Berzerker: XD yeah
[21:18] <coreymon77> Berzerker: chipset?
[21:18] <Berzerker> coreymon77: heh
[21:18] <sepeck> no, it won't but you are free to promote your product by saying untrue things about another if it's the only way yours is superior
[21:18] <Berzerker> hold on
[21:18] <trident523> amir__: Screen grabbers have a harder time with dots.
[21:18] <amir__> Ok, finoe
[21:18] <amir__> s/finoe/fine/
[21:18] <NightBird> I still never got the live cd's to work... but I managed to get my old install booted and working right, after which I finished the upgrade, and fixed the wireless device(using b43 now rather than ndiswrapper), and it appears to be working...
[21:18] <NightBird> I think
[21:18] <Berzerker> 0b:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR5418 802.11abgn Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01)
[21:19] <trident523> NightBird: My card magically worked after last night's update too.
[21:19] <sepeck> I haven't had anyluck with the online update.  I am going to try the cd update method
[21:19]  * NightBird attempts a few things before declaring it all working..
[21:19] <coreymon77> Berzerker: is it the airport card?
[21:19] <Berzerker> yes
[21:19] <coreymon77> airport extreme correct?
[21:19] <NightBird> trident523: yours magically worked? lucky.  I had to beat mine into submission before it worked...
[21:19] <Berzerker> coreymon77: yes
[21:19] <NightBird> of course, I'm used to having to do that with my wireless card...
[21:20] <trident523> NightBird: Well, I beat it into submission before finishing the update last night... 5 clean installs, 3 different ndiswrappers... a mess.
[21:20] <coreymon77> NightBird: i got smart, when my previous wifi card died on me, i researched a bit to find a card that would work out of the box
[21:20] <NightBird> trident523: ah, yeah, I tried reinstalling ndiswrapper several times, as well as the drivers... then I tried b43, and I had to download and install the firmware, then it worked
[21:21] <NightBird> coreymon77: yeah, well, I'm still using the wireless driver my laptop came with
[21:21] <VousDeux> What is klipper and why does it keep my CPU at 100%?
[21:22] <NightBird> er... device... but oh well
[21:22] <coreymon77> NightBird: well ya, my linux box is a desktop, so i just got the airlink101 awlh4030
[21:22] <Berzerker> coreymon77: so uhm...halp?
[21:22] <Berzerker> lol
[21:22] <Dragnslcr> VousDeux- it's the copy/paste clipboard
[21:22] <Dragnslcr> VousDeux- no idea why it'd be using the CPU like that
[21:23] <VousDeux> hmmm...I wonder why I can still copy/paste even after I kill it
[21:23] <coreymon77> Berzerker: ya, from what i know, you are prob gonna have to use the madwifi stuff
[21:23] <Berzerker> I've used it before
[21:23] <Berzerker> It's worked sometimes
[21:23] <Berzerker> last few times I used it, it didn't work
[21:23] <Berzerker> lol
[21:23] <Berzerker> oops
[21:23] <Berzerker> you might want to fix that
[21:24] <jussi01> hrm
[21:24] <NightBird> also; is there a way to blacklist drivers for a livecd startup?
[21:24] <VousDeux> thanks Dragnslcr
[21:24] <Dragnslcr> No problem
[21:24] <Berzerker> I was just about to change it back
[21:24] <Berzerker> Official Kubuntu support | FAQ: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FAQ | Get Hardy Kubuntu (KDE3) CDs https://shipit.kubuntu.org | Pastes: http://paste.ubuntu.com | Chat in #kubuntu-offtopic | KDE 4 support in #kubuntu-kde4 | 8.04 Released! http://kubuntu.org/news/8.04-release Party in #ubuntu-release-party
[21:25] <Berzerker> that's thedsdf topic, anyway
[21:25] <coreymon77> Berzerker: okay then, lets do this
[21:25] <Berzerker> coreymon77: kk
[21:26] <Berzerker> coreymon77: what about the audio out
[21:26] <coreymon77> Berzerker: give me a sec
[21:27] <coreymon77> Berzerker: okay, make sure that the madwifi-tools package is installed
[21:27] <jermain> hi, can anyone tell me how i find out the ip of my gateway?
[21:27] <Berzerker> jermain: ifconfig
[21:27] <jermain> thanks
[21:28] <jermain> but several numbers show up, how do i recognize the gateway?
[21:28] <Berzerker> coreymon77: ok, that's installed
[21:28] <Berzerker> jermain: it should be the first 3 numbers of your local IP then .1
[21:28] <Berzerker> so <IP_ADDRESS>, or something like that
[21:28] <nodesert> how can i disable xgl
[21:28] <ferrao> hi ppl
[21:29] <algyz> !hi | ferrao
[21:29] <ubotu> ferrao: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[21:29] <Berzerker> lol
[21:29] <jermain> thank you Berzerker :)
[21:29] <Berzerker> np
[21:29] <coreymon77> Berzerker: okay then
[21:29] <coreymon77> Berzerker: so, type iwconfig
[21:29] <algyz> ifconfig
[21:29] <Berzerker> no wireless extensions
[21:29] <coreymon77> Berzerker: tell me if you see ath0 or ath1 or anything like that
[21:29] <Berzerker> no
[21:29] <Berzerker> eth0 and lo
[21:29] <algyz> lol ;)
[21:30] <coreymon77> not good
[21:31] <Berzerker> lol
[21:31] <coreymon77> is there a madwifi tools app in your kmenu somehwere
[21:31] <Berzerker> no
[21:32] <Berzerker> sudo modprobe ath_pci sudo modprobe wlan_scan_sta
[21:33] <Berzerker> what about those
[21:33] <Berzerker> do I need to do that
[21:33] <coreymon77> try it
[21:33] <coreymon77> couldnt hurt
[21:34] <Berzerker> nope
[21:34] <Berzerker> still nothing
[21:35] <coreymon77> Berzerker: okay then
[21:35] <coreymon77> what does wlanconfig do for you
[21:36] <Berzerker> gives me 3 usage lines
[21:37] <coreymon77> Berzerker: pastebin them
[21:37] <Berzerker> they're not long
[21:37] <Berzerker> usage: wlanconfig athX create [nounit] wlandev wifiY
[21:37] <Berzerker>             wlanmode [sta|adhoc|ap|monitor|wds|ahdemo] [bssid | -bssid] [nosbeacon]
[21:37] <Berzerker> usage: wlanconfig athX destroy
[21:37] <Berzerker> usage: wlanconfig athX list [active|ap|caps|chan|freq|keys|scan|sta|wme]
[21:38] <coreymon> tell me if this does anything
[21:38] <coreymon> sudo wlanconfig ath0 create wlandev wifi0 wlanmode sta
[21:40] <ferrao> what a diferent ubuntu e xubuntu?
[21:40] <coreymon77> ferrao: ubuntu=gnome xubuntu=xfce
[21:40] <kristian__> xubuntu is with xfce4 deskstopp
[21:40] <Berzerker> coreymon: ioctl: no such device
[21:41] <fdoving> ferrao: ubuntu uses gnome by default, xubuntu uses the lighter xfce.
[21:41] <coreymon77> okay dokey
[21:41] <ferrao> the best is?
[21:41] <kristian__> kde 4
[21:41] <fdoving> your choice.
[21:41] <coreymon77> Berzerker: maybe you should take a look at this, im assuming you are familiar with compiling?
[21:41] <coreymon77> ferrao: its all personal preference
[21:41] <Berzerker> yes
[21:42] <coreymon77> Berzerker: okay then
[21:42] <jussio1> !best | ferrao
[21:42] <ubotu> ferrao: Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose, depending on your preferences, features you require, and other factors. Do NOT take polls in the channel. If you insist on getting people's opinions, ask BestBot in #ubuntu-bots.
[21:42] <coreymon> http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/FirstTimeHowTo
[21:42] <coreymon> that might help
[21:42] <ferrao> sorry my question, is 1st i install Uguntu
[21:43] <coreymon77> Berzerker: search around there, you mind find something that helps
[21:43] <Monika|K> in the system menu (next to the K menu) there is now after upgrading to hardy an entry "documents" which leads nowhere ... can someone tell me how to remove it?
[21:44] <ferrao> Alguem fala portugues?
[21:45] <jussio1> !pt | ferrao
[21:45] <ubotu> ferrao: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado.
[21:45] <ferrao> tks ppl
[21:45] <Berzerker> coreymon77: FATAL: Module wlan is in use.
[21:46] <coreymon77> Berzerker: ah ha!
[21:46] <coreymon77> Berzerker: good
[21:47] <coreymon77> Berzerker: what command produced that error
[21:47] <Berzerker> ./madwifi-unload.bash
[21:47] <coreymon77> Berzerker: did you bring down te wlan interface
[21:47] <coreymon77> ?
[21:47] <Berzerker> how
[21:47] <coreymon77> wait a sec
[21:47] <coreymon77> does wlan appear in iwconfig
[21:47] <coreymon77> ?
[21:47] <Berzerker> no
[21:48] <coreymon77> go to system prefs
[21:48] <coreymon77> then network prefs
[21:48] <Berzerker> yeah
[21:48] <coreymon77> what interfaces are listed
[21:48] <Berzerker> eth0
[21:49] <coreymon77> that it?
[21:49] <Berzerker> yes
[21:49] <coreymon77> try this
[21:49] <coreymon77> sudo ifconfig wlan0 up
[21:49] <Berzerker> no such device
[21:49] <coreymon77> sudo ifconfig wlan up
[21:50] <Berzerker> wlan0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
[21:50] <kristian__> na8ti
[21:50] <Berzerker> same thing
[21:50] <Berzerker> only wlan:
[21:50] <coreymon77> hmm
[21:50] <coreymon77> so wait, it says that you are using it, yet it doesnt seem to appear
[21:50] <Berzerker> I'm going to remove the modules
[21:50] <Berzerker> and try with thiswlan0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
[21:50] <Berzerker>  version
[21:50] <Berzerker> oops
[21:51] <coreymon77> okay
[21:51] <coreymon77> sorry im not much help, its wierd, madwifi cards should just work by now
[21:52] <eht> i installed hardy, but with wrong keyboard layout... how can i change that on the console. ?    i have tried 'dpkg-reconfigure console-data' but that makes no change ?
[21:52] <coreymon77> umm, you cant just go and change in in system prefs?
[21:52] <Berzerker> it's not working
[21:52] <Berzerker> still doesn't show it
[21:52] <Berzerker> even though I got no errors
[21:53] <coreymon77> you got no errors from what?
[21:53] <Berzerker> compiling
[21:53] <coreymon77> compiling what?
[21:53] <Berzerker> madwifi
[21:54] <coreymon77> you mean the thing that they showed you?
[21:54] <Berzerker> yes
[21:54] <Berzerker> oh hold on a second
[21:54] <coreymon77> ?
[21:55] <Berzerker> nope nvm
[21:55] <Berzerker> still didn't work
[21:55] <coreymon77> umm, this might help
[21:56] <coreymon> http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Ubuntu
[21:57] <Berzerker> still nothin
[21:57] <Berzerker> g
[21:57] <coreymon77> you disabled the thing?
[21:57] <Berzerker> yes
[21:58] <coreymon77> okay
[21:58] <gloopy> Hi
[21:58] <coreymon77> now try doing the unload.bash
[21:58] <Berzerker> same error
[21:58] <coreymon77> what is using it
[21:58] <Berzerker> dunno
[21:59] <coreymon77> try restarting
[21:59] <ferrao> what last BERYL?
[21:59] <gloopy> I'm trying to install 8.04, but the installer doesn't detect one of my hard drives
[21:59] <flipstar> i'm having trouble playing a dvd..could it be an bad dvd or so ? http://pastebin.com/d4037c596
[21:59] <coreymon77> maybe that will help out
[21:59] <Berzerker> restart the computer or restart KDE
[21:59] <coreymon77> comp
[22:00] <flipstar> two others just played fine
[22:01] <v6lur> any way to force reading CDs at max possible speed?
[22:01] <v6lur> eject .x 52 seems to have zero effect
[22:01] <v6lur> -x 52*
[22:02] <Berzerker> nope
[22:02] <Berzerker> nothin
[22:02] <Berzerker> g
[22:02] <coreymon77> still cant unload?
[22:03] <Berzerker> oh no
[22:03] <Berzerker> it unloaded
[22:03] <Berzerker> no FATALs
[22:03] <Berzerker> ok now what
[22:03] <coreymon77> the unload.bash worked?
[22:03] <Berzerker> yes
[22:03] <coreymon77> yay!
[22:03] <jussio1> !enter
[22:03] <ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[22:03] <daemon3> The servers still seem pretty busy.  It's taking me about 10 hours to upgrade!
[22:04] <daemon3> ...at a fast connection!
[22:04] <coreymon77> Berzerker: okay then, do you have the madwifi source dled?
[22:04] <Berzerker> yes
[22:04] <Berzerker> I'm pretty sure I already installed it, before I restarted
[22:04] <Berzerker> should I just try to modprobe again?
[22:06] <coreymon> http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/FirstTimeHowTo
[22:06] <coreymon77> go through the instructions there, just to be sure
[22:07] <noam_> hey... i've heard people complaining that hardy broke sound support in flash. is that true? are there workarounds?
[22:08] <daemon3> With an upgrade, once I download the packages, do I need to be connected to the net any more?
[22:08] <Berzerker> still nothing is showing up
[22:08] <Berzerker> coreymon77
[22:08] <GrahamA> daemon3: Any reason you'd need to disconnect?
[22:08] <coreymon77> Berzerker: did you go through all of the steps
[22:09] <coreymon77> ?
[22:09] <Berzerker> yes
[22:09] <coreymon77> up to and including the modprobe part
[22:09] <coreymon77> ?
[22:09] <Berzerker> yes
[22:09] <daemon3> GrahamA: I'd rather not explain.
[22:09] <GrahamA> Are you really power conciencous?
[22:10] <daemon3> It's not about power.
[22:10] <coreymon77> Berzerker: so, iwconf still doesnt give you anything?
[22:10] <Berzerker> yup
[22:10] <GrahamA> daemon3: Is it an actual good reason?
[22:10] <GrahamA> Are you on dialup or something?
[22:10] <daemon3> GrahamA: Yes there is a reason.  It's not dial up.
[22:10] <daemon3> GrahamA: I just don't want to explain.  Thanks you.
[22:11] <Warod> Any idea what stuff might stop me from changing content of a file under /sys/devices/platform/ ?  applesmc module in use and trying to change min speed of the fan.
[22:11] <coreymon77> Berzerker: maybe its time you went to the madwifi support channel
[22:11] <coreymon77> Berzerker: #madwifi
[22:11] <daemon3> But am I able to disconnect form the net once I download the instlal packages for Hardy?
[22:11] <Warod> Worked fine before I upgraded the system from beta to release version.
[22:11] <Berzerker> I'm there
[22:11] <Berzerker> hold on
[22:11] <GrahamA> daemon3: I'm 80% sure you could if you needed to and 100% sure it's a bad idea
[22:12] <daemon3> Thanks, GrahamA
[22:12] <coreymon77> daemon3: i wouldnt
[22:12] <coreymon77> daemon3: dont say we didnt warn you if something messes up
[22:12] <daemon3> I know, coreymon77.  I guess I won't.
[22:13] <daemon3> It's just that the way I connect to the internet is very limited and the download is takign so long. (the guess time ranges from 4 - 9 hours).
[22:14] <daemon3> ...and that's at 90 kb/s
[22:14] <GrahamA> Tell me about it
[22:14] <psyco> How much space does kubuntu require minimally?
[22:14] <GrahamA> daemon3: I'm on Virgin Media... the ISP of the hour
[22:14] <coreymon77> Berzerker: do you have any idea what to ask on that channel?
[22:14] <daemon3> psyco: Probably about 10 G.
[22:15] <daemon3> Maybe less.
[22:15] <f00f> I just got 8.04 :)
[22:15] <flipstar> psyco: minimal of minimal ~500mb
[22:15] <f00f> can kde3 and kde4 exist concurrently without problems?
[22:15] <psyco> daemon3: What if /home is on a different partition??
[22:15] <daemon3> f00f: How logn did it take you?
[22:15] <f00f> daemon3: lol server was packed.. I did it overnight
[22:15] <BonesolTeraDyne> psyco: I wouldn't install it in a partition of less than 2 GB.
[22:15] <psyco> OK.
[22:15] <yakuzi> do you guys know an easy (fast) way to change the icon of the trashcan while all other icons stay the default crystal-svg icon theme? i know i can change them all by hand, but i did it once and after a while i could do it again (some update reversed it or something)
[22:15] <GrahamA> daemon3: Might be a better idea to download the ISO because if it cocks up you'll know.
[22:16] <flipstar> psyco: i would recommend at least 5gig
[22:16] <psyco> Pecause I gave it 5GB, and at about 72% it said there wasn't enough
[22:16] <GrahamA> daemon3: Trying to download all the packages and then having issues you're likely to f*ck your entire system
[22:16] <GrahamA> And you'd be well and truley snookered
[22:16] <daemon3> GrahamA: Thanks.  I already have the ISO.
[22:16] <f00f> I want to check out KDE4, but I don't want to mess up my KDE3 install
[22:16] <Berzerker> coreymon77: I'm already talking to someone
[22:16] <coreymon77> f00f: no worries, you can have both kde3 and 4 alongside eachother
[22:16] <f00f> coreymon77: awesome! :D thx
[22:17] <f00f> btw.. looove openoffice 2.4 :D
[22:17] <GrahamA> daemon3: Then why use the online updater?
[22:17] <GrahamA> omgwtf?
[22:17] <coreymon77> you can have both at the same time, they are in different directories
[22:17] <flipstar> btw where can i get avisynth.dll ? i'm having trouble playing a dvd.. http://pastebin.com/d4037c596
[22:17] <daemon3> GrahamA: The update CD wouldn't update.
[22:17] <coreymon77> heres my solution
[22:17] <coreymon77> dont get hardy immediately
[22:18] <psyco> If I want home on a differnet partion
[22:18] <coreymon77> wait a few days for everyone to get it and for the initial crucial bugs to be ironed out
[22:18] <daemon3> coreymon77: My solution to me?
[22:18] <psyco> I make a "/" partiton and a "/home" partiton right??
[22:18] <daemon3> ...rather your solutoin for me?
[22:18] <coreymon77> not only is the server less bloated, but bugs are ironed out
[22:18] <BonesolTeraDyne> psyco: right
[22:18] <psyco> BonesolTeraDyne: ok ty
[22:18] <coreymon77> daemon3: if it works for you great, but i was just commenting on what i do
[22:20] <Berzerker> coreymon77: I got it!
[22:22] <Asche_83m> hello! after upgrading to hardy youtube's sound doesn't work anymore
[22:22] <Asche_83m> plz help me
[22:23] <Asche_83m> I already installed libflashsupport
[22:23] <GrahamA> Guys I have an inital crucial bug.
[22:23] <flipstar> is anyone here familar with torrentflux ?
[22:23] <xenol> !sound | Asche_83m
[22:23] <ubotu> Asche_83m: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[22:24] <Berzerker> coreymon77: it works!
[22:24] <tdjacr|away> Can someone review http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=768908 for me?
[22:24] <Asche_83m> thx xenol
[22:25] <GrahamA> No seriously, I've got an ATI Radeon 9800XT pro, which is a bug anyway but we'll run with it, and I've told it time and time again to use fglrx, like... I went tinto xorg.conf and said "Hey, you know what, why don't you, instead of the standard driver use fglrx instead." and I thought we'd get on well... but it stabbed me in the back and left me for some hunky mesa driver which always shows up in fglrx and never leaves me alone.
[22:25] <Asche_83m> though this doesnt really help me
[22:25] <Asche_83m> sound in amarok works fine
[22:25] <Asche_83m> it's flash (youtube), nexuiz (game) that dont work anymore
[22:25] <winterelf> hi.... i m tring to use axfr and i dont have it even in the apt, hou can i get it?
[22:26] <winterelf> trying :P
[22:27] <patrick87> hello
[22:27] <f00f> GrahamA: I'm an ati user, what are you trying to do?
[22:27] <patrick87> can i get the "oxygen" style for KDE3?
[22:27] <Asche_83m> !Players
[22:27] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Audacious, Banshee, Beep Media Player, Listen, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, Exaile, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine - See also !codecs
[22:27] <GrahamA> f00f: Use fglrx
[22:27] <GrahamA> Won't load
[22:27] <GrahamA> I offered it cake.
[22:27] <f00f> GrahamA: and you're on a 9800XT.. hmm
[22:27] <winterelf> some 1?? hi.... i m trying to use axfr and i dont have it even in the apt, hou can i get it?
[22:28] <f00f> GrahamA: did you install the drivers from the ATI website?
[22:28] <Berzerker> I still can't find that package
[22:28] <GrahamA> No.
[22:28] <GrahamA> No I did not.
[22:28] <Berzerker> it's a GUI synaptics touchpad manager
[22:28] <Berzerker> I just don't know what it's called
[22:29] <GrahamA> I've installed them from the restricted drivers manager
[22:29] <f00f> GrahamA: honestly that's the best way to do it.  I tried messing with the ones in the repository, but for ATi you should always be using the latest stuff
[22:29] <GrahamA> I should say
[22:29] <tdjacr|away> Can someone review http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=768908 for me?
[22:29] <f00f> you'll just need to move or delete the /lib/your-kernel-version/volatile/fglrx.ko file after you install the ati drivers.
[22:29] <GrahamA> Before fleeing to use the restricted drivers from the repo, I did try that
[22:30] <matt__> anyone know of a cad program that starts with a p someone recommended a while back that is free, like autocad, and works 100% in wine?
[22:30] <f00f> then run aticonfig --initial
[22:30] <matt__> i was thinking it was progecad, but i don't thini that is it....
[22:30] <f00f> that's the only way I got my HD-2600XT to run
[22:30] <GrahamA> f00f: Sooo... your advice is uninstall the drivers... then get the ATI ones
[22:30] <Berzerker> how can I tell if I'm using the nvidia drivers or not
[22:30] <f00f> GrahamA: yeah, just don't uninstall the restricted drivers package, you might need that for other stuff
[22:31] <f00f> just move or delete that one file after you install the official ATi ones
[22:31] <GrahamA> Not to be cynical but considering this card is ungodly amounts of old... would the repository really be out of date?
[22:31] <f00f> GrahamA: oh.. my bad LOL read it wrong... it's a 9800XT... hmm.. should work...
[22:32] <GrahamA> What do you mean you read it wrong?
[22:32] <GrahamA> 9- 8-0-0 EX TEE
[22:32] <GrahamA> I don't even think it's a real card... my brother decided to overclock it.
[22:32] <f00f> GrahamA: for some reason I read the 9 as a 3... don't ask how lol
[22:32] <GrahamA> Fair enough
[22:33] <ubuntu_> Saludos
[22:33] <malvoro> Hola a todos como estan
[22:33] <f00f> the ones in 8.04 aren't that old either.. hmm..
[22:33] <f00f> GrahamA: what does your xorg.conf look like?
[22:33] <xenol> can anyone tell me if there is any way to install kubuntu in archlinux style?
[22:34] <f00f> just to see try running aticonfig --initial as root
[22:34] <f00f> it might just magically work after that
[22:34] <jussio1> xenol: what is archlinux style??
[22:34] <xenol> jussio1: i mean, u just install base system and then install packages u want
[22:35] <jussio1> !minimal | xenol
[22:35] <ubotu> xenol: The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want (the installer is like the one on the !Alternate CD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[22:35] <jussio1> :)
[22:35] <GrahamA> f00f: http://pastebin.com/d639b4c77
[22:35] <xenol> jussio1: thx m8
[22:36] <jussio1> :)
[22:36] <xenol> !raid
[22:36] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO - For software RAID, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto
[22:37] <Berzerker> coreymon77: you there?
[22:37] <GrahamA> f00f: I've thought of somethin, shouldn't the module loading part be at the top?
[22:37] <xenol> jussio1: any ideas plz if it is possible to use w32codecs, flash, java plugins, opera and skype on 64bit kubuntu?
[22:37] <f00f> GrahamA: maybe... I don't think it matters though
[22:38] <Qwerasdf> I think I broke my computer.
[22:38] <f00f> and try loading "dri" as well
[22:38] <psyco> I think I also broke my PC
[22:38] <f00f> GrahamA: run glxinfo | grep direct and see if you get yes
[22:38] <jussio1> !flash64 | xenol
[22:38] <ubotu> xenol: You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[22:38] <Qwerasdf> Rather, the new kubuntu broke my computer.
[22:38] <GrahamA> f00f: program is not installed
[22:39] <GrahamA> f00f: Gimme a second
[22:39] <iskaldur> hi, im trying to rip some cds using k3b...is there a way to specify the bitrate? or is there a ripping program that will let me?
[22:39] <xenol> jussio1: there aint any HH version of minimal cd :/
[22:39] <GrahamA> f00f: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose)
[22:39] <GrahamA> f00f: omgwtf :'(
[22:39] <jussio1> xenol: really?
[22:40] <Qwerasdf> Every time I try to log in, it just reboots the login menu...
[22:40] <jussio1> xenol: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hardy/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[22:41] <xenol> jussio1: ah sry, i couldnt find one on wiki
[22:41] <jussio1> xenol: dont think the wiki has been updated yryt
[22:41] <f00f> GrahamA: lol.. try aticonfig --initial
[22:41] <jussio1> yet*
[22:41] <f00f> maybe that'll work, just back up your xorg.conf first
[22:41] <GrahamA> Found fglrx primary device section
[22:41] <GrahamA> Nothing to do, terminating.
[22:41] <tdjacr|away> Can someone review http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=768908 for me?
[22:42] <f00f> GrahamA: ok.. under the module section comment out Load "glx"... and put Load "dri"
[22:42] <Qwerasdf> ...So, no help?
[22:43] <xenol> jussio1: thx one more question, with minimal cd, can i install rly only what i want?
[22:43] <GrahamA> f00f: Right... anything else captain or shall I restart X?
[22:44] <Qwerasdf> Great, thanks.
[22:44] <jussio1> xenol: correct
[22:45] <xenol> jussio1: but if i install kubuntu-desktop it means that i will get everything what on live cd? can i install only apps i want?
[22:45] <f00f> GrahamA: restart X :)
[22:45] <f00f> and pray
[22:45] <f00f> lol
[22:46] <jussio1> xenol: no, kubuntu-desktop is a meta which has loads of stuff
[22:46] <GrahamA> Our kernel, who art in x, modprobed be his name...
[22:47] <GrahamA> brb
[22:47] <xenol> jussio1: so if i dont want to install kubuntu-desktop and i will apt-get install for kde, will i get vanilla ked?
[22:47] <xenol> jussio1: kde*
[22:47] <coreymon77> Berzerker: so, is it working?
[22:48] <jussio1> xenol: I dont know, but i assume so.
[22:48] <xenol> jussio1: uhm thx will look on this, really th
[22:48] <xenol> jussio1: uhm thx will look on this, really thx
[22:49] <coreymon> Berzerker: is it working now?
[22:50] <Berzerker> coreymon: yeah
[22:50] <Berzerker> it is
[22:50] <Berzerker> I'm back in OS X, just for a little while
[22:50] <GrahamA> f00f: Hey
[22:50] <flipstar> is anyone here familar with torrentflux ?
[22:50] <Berzerker> to see if everything works ok
[22:50] <GrahamA> IT DIDN'T WORK :'( </wrists>
[22:50] <coreymon> Berzerker: was it working?
[22:51] <Berzerker> yes
[22:51] <Berzerker> it was
[22:51] <coreymon> Berzerker: yay! you got them to list?
[22:51] <Berzerker> yes
[22:51] <Berzerker> I connected also
[22:51] <coreymon> yay!
[22:51] <Berzerker> internet was working fine
[22:51] <coreymon> ???
[22:51] <coreymon> it was
[22:51] <coreymon> ?
[22:51] <coreymon> so i was right!
[22:51] <f00f> GrahamA: hmm.. wait a second.. let's retrace your steps
[22:51] <coreymon> anyways, food time
[22:51] <f00f> you tried to install the ati drivers from the website first right
[22:53] <GrahamA> They worked - yay - then I upgraded and they stopped working - boo - then I tried unintsalling and reinstalling ati drivers from repository, then I tried website drivers
[22:53] <Berzerker> I'm totally drawing a blank on the make a directory command
[22:53] <Berzerker> oh mkdir
[22:53] <Berzerker> lol
[22:53] <GrahamA> THEN I got ragged and reinstalled  from fresh, and put on a fresh install of hardy
[22:54] <GrahamA> And then I installed from repo, never worked, followed instructions, same, here we are
[22:55] <f00f> hmm.. really weird....
[22:55] <f00f> lsmod | grep fglrx
[22:55] <rance> Ive had some problems since the 8.04 upgrade, and I need some help, like first, where did the sound go?
[22:55] <GrahamA> f00f:
[22:55] <GrahamA> fglrx                1555468  0
[22:55] <GrahamA> agpgart                34760  2 fglrx,amd64_agp
[22:56] <f00f> ok.. so since now you haven't attempted to install or upgrade any ati drivers
[22:56] <gloopy> turn the volume up :)
[22:57] <GrahamA> f00f: I used restricted drivers manager
[22:57] <GrahamA> Wait... this is od..
[22:57] <GrahamA> odd...
[22:57] <f00f> lsmod | grep drm
[22:57] <rance> gloopy :) according to kmix, volume is maxed out, no sound
[22:57] <GrahamA> f00f: Nothing showed up
[22:58] <GrahamA> f00f: But according to restricted drivers manager... no propriatry hardware exists...
[22:58] <Berzerker> anyone help with mounting a linux disk on OS X?
[22:58] <GrahamA> Sodding thing!
[22:58] <f00f> hmm
[22:58] <f00f> it is a 9800...
[22:59] <f00f> that might be legacy by now
[22:59] <kk> ASTUPITS
[22:59] <kk> JAJAJA
[22:59] <gloopy> rance I had to klick the green dot above 'front' to hear anything here
[22:59] <f00f> GrahamA: ok.. run amdcccle
[23:00] <GrahamA> f00f: Installing fglrx-control
[23:01] <GrahamA> Ok, it's open
[23:01] <rance> gloopy: already lit for me
[23:02] <Berzerker> coreymon: you there?
[23:02] <f00f> GrahamA: does it have any info for you
[23:03] <weswh-> anyone upgraded from fesity to hardy?
[23:03] <f00f> go to the information page
[23:03] <GrahamA> Yes... yes it does...
[23:03] <f00f> does it see your hardware?
[23:03] <GrahamA> Yes... yes it does...
[23:03] <f00f> now under the opengl part
[23:04] <flipstar> weswh-: this is not a good idea
[23:04] <GrahamA> Mesa... it says nothing but mesa
[23:04] <GrahamA> Mesa this... mesa that...
[23:04] <mefisto__> rance: do you have more than one soundcard?
[23:04] <Xbehave> i have a vista partition in my HD but ubuntu didnt detect it on install, is it possible to boot to it?
[23:04] <f00f> that's bad
[23:04] <weswh-> flipstar: need to stage to gusty? or need to do a full reinstall?
[23:04] <GrahamA> Yes I know that's bad... that's the problem I'm trying to fix.
[23:04] <rance> mefisto__: nope, only one
[23:05] <flipstar> weswh-: both is possible
[23:05] <flipstar> your desicion
[23:05] <GrahamA> f00f: Maybe I offended the mesa gods by calling them kernel
[23:05] <GrahamA> So they've struck me down...
[23:05] <GrahamA> More likely than you think!
[23:05] <f00f> is this installed: xorg-driver-fglrx ?
[23:06] <GrahamA> f00f: Amazingly yes
[23:06] <f00f> something must be up with ubuntu.....
[23:07] <GrahamA> I'm trying to figure it out.
[23:07] <Xbehave> sorry to chime in with no idea whats going on, but, why do you have fglrx? is this an ATI system & whats the original problem?
[23:07] <Xbehave> !grub
[23:07] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[23:08] <f00f> hmm
[23:08] <GrahamA> Xbehave: Yes... I did first think to check It was an ati system :/
[23:08] <f00f> I'm totally lost as to how to fix it...
[23:09] <GrahamA> And the original problem is I keep getting 'mesa' to manage my openGL and It won't give me 3d acceleration
[23:09] <GrahamA> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[23:09] <GrahamA> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
[23:09] <GrahamA> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[23:09] <GrahamA> OpenGL version string: 1.4 (2.1 Mesa 7.0.3-rc2)
[23:09] <GrahamA> As so
[23:09] <BlackThunder> hola
[23:09] <alexandr> uooKo4po
[23:09] <BlackThunder> necesito ayuda
[23:10] <Xbehave> are you on 7.10, on 7.10 i had some ati problems with the prop driver, then i update to a non repo version, i got that problem because i didnt read it properly, ill have a look back over my history see if i can find the guide
[23:10] <BlackThunder> hi
[23:10] <BlackThunder> i need some advice
[23:10] <GrahamA> No I recently went from 7.10 to 8.04
[23:10] <flipstar> BlackThunder: »»> #kubuntu-es
[23:10] <BlackThunder> thanks
[23:11] <GrahamA> Xbehave: I did a fresh install of Hardy
[23:11] <GrahamA> Worked on Gutsy
[23:17] <Xbehave> GrahamA: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Hardy_Installation_Guide