[08:27] <akabigbro> well, lets put it this way: The Intel Pro Wireless is supported under all of the distributions, but you have to compile it yourself...under Ubuntu I did not have to compile the driver for the ipw1100
[08:28] <tritium> Amaranth, where new packages are placed before they're put into the pool.
[08:28] <akabigbro> ipw2100
[08:28] <Amaranth> tritium: afaik they just go straight to the pool
[08:28] <tritium> I see.
[08:30] <farruinn> magneto, so says Jeff Waugh: "This is a temporary reversion to the upstream menu layout while we port our changes to the new upstream menu system It's more important that the new menu code is tested than we have our changes present in the devel branch of Ubuntu."
[08:32] <magneto> farruinn- thanks Im familiar with that just wanted to ask a specific question if I could catch the right person but I will use email and the mailing lists
[08:32] <tritium> I'm just too excited about evolution 2.0.3 -- this bug is finally fixed: http://bugzilla.ximian.com/show_bug.cgi?id=67991
[08:33] <farruinn> magneto, ok.  I think the key word in that e-mail is *temporary*, so I'm sure the problems that people are experiencing aren't permanent
[08:33] <wezzer> greetings from fresh installed ubuntu :)
[08:34] <|QuaD-__> wezzer: nice :)
[08:35] <hub> wezzer: I just upgraded from Debian
[08:35] <hub> today
[08:36] <wezzer> :)
[08:36] <wezzer> Ubuntu is very nice
[08:36] <magneto> faruinn- i know that cmon its the dang dev branch- there are some issues that arent in the mailing list or in the forums that might just be administrative moves and not just things that are broken
[08:36] <trans_err> I want to run a vncserver to share :0, but vncserver says that a vnc is already running at :0... an examination of my jobs reveals no such thing
[08:37] <farruinn> vino is your vnc server
[08:37] <trans_err> no, i removed vino
[08:37] <farruinn> oh, no idea then
[08:37] <trans_err> vino doesn't have the java client
[08:37] <|QuaD-__> trans_err: i think sharing :0 is difficult
[08:38] <trans_err> |QuaD-__, vino did it
[08:39] <magneto> farruinn- i know :) but i do appreciate the attempt
[08:41] <farruinn> magneto, no offense meant, it's just that there are people of many varying levels of experience/knowledge on this channel
[08:41] <|QuaD-__> trans_err: interesting
[08:41] <|QuaD-__> we need a ncurses client for thunderbird :)
[08:41] <magneto> i know farruinn thats why i said i appreciate the attempt - i know you guys are here helping
[08:44] <catdog> zenpod: sorry been afk. mplayer's download page is here http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html. All you need do is take the latest source (v1.0pre5), codecs (essential package), fonts (arial, western) and skin (blue). Download them into your home directory and follow the howto.
[08:47] <farruinn> I'm having trouble with mysqld.  It appears to be listening (I've commented out skip-networking) but it's not accepting connections. I have _no_ mysql knowledge
[08:47] <farruinn> Any thoughts?
[08:47] <catdog> zenpod: as I say, the font pakage's version number varies slightly from that on the howto page, but if you just change the number appropriately it should work without problem.
[08:48] <akabigbro> so there is no hardware matrix that I can reference?
[08:49] <catdog> zenpod: Also, if you're planning to use mplayer's mencoder to make DivX files, install lame and liblame dev from M
[08:49] <catdog> zenpod. bah. ...from the Marillat repos.
[08:49] <farruinn> akabigbro, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupport ?
[08:51] <farruinn> aka, I see ipw2100 and ipw2200 listed, looks like people have had more luck with the 2200, or the 2100 hasn't been tested much
[08:52] <akabigbro> farruinn: that was very helpfull, the DWL-650+ is supported just as the ipw2100 and yes the ipw2200 is; Thank you very much.
[09:01] <nowlin> is it possible to get thom's networkmanager to work in debian??
[09:02] <palle1> can't i burn iso and bin files in k3b???
[09:02] <magneto> palle1 iso yes bin no
[09:03] <Ribs> iso2bin soon fixes that
[09:03] <Ribs> Gnome can burn .iso files itself anyway
[09:03] <magneto> for bins u need an app to change them to iso's  google for bin cue to iso its a commandline app that will  -i defer to ribs
[09:03] <palle1> magneto: what should i do if i wan't to burn bin then?
[09:03] <magneto> iso2bin
[09:03] <Ribs> erm
[09:03] <Ribs> bin2iso :)
[09:03] <palle1> okay thanx
[09:04] <Ribs> I knew what I meant :P
[09:04] <farruinn> Ribs, haha, I was wondering about that =)
[09:04] <Ribs> *I* knew what I meant, that's all that matters
[09:09] <britt_radiofree> can someone confirm that typeahead does not work in epiphany?
[09:10] <LinuxJones> Does anybody have any experience with hosting a BitTorrent stream ?
[09:10] <|QuaD-__> LinuxJones: no, but i don't assume its that hard, whats the problem
[09:11] <painiac> anyone here knows how i can update my glibc? its not in apt-get apparently
[09:11] <|QuaD-__> painiac: warty or hoary
[09:12] <painiac> warty on amd64
[09:12] <painiac> its 2.2 now should get it to atleast 2.3.3
[09:12] <LinuxJones> |QuaD-__, I am looking for some statistical comparison between traditional file transfer methods like ftp and Bittorrent. I need to know how much potential bandwidth savings you gain by using BT over say FTP or Http.
[09:12] <|QuaD-__> warty is frozen... so it won't be put into their archives
[09:13] <|QuaD-__> painiac: you can pull the source from hoary
[09:13] <|QuaD-__> and compile it
[09:13] <painiac> how do i do that?
[09:13] <|QuaD-__> LinuxJones: hmm
[09:13] <|QuaD-__> couldn't tell you there... i don't think you "save" any
[09:13] <LinuxJones> |QuaD-__, I know it is going to vary depending on client's behind routers etc.. jsut a head to head comparison
[09:13] <farruinn> painiac, I think the easiest way is to do it through synaptic
[09:13] <|QuaD-__> you still transfer the same size files
[09:13] <LinuxJones> |QuaD-__, eh ?
[09:13] <magneto> linuxjones- google theres plenty of info out there
[09:14] <LinuxJones> |QuaD-__, yeah but the clients help with the distribution as well
[09:14] <Synek> Hm
[09:14] <LinuxJones> magneto, ya :)
[09:14] <|QuaD-__> LinuxJones: you aren't saving bandwith... transferring a 70mb file is 70mb on ftp, http, and bt
[09:14] <catdog> painiac: Well, you can change the appropriate lines in /etc/apt/sources.list so they read hoary rather than warty, do your upgrade, then change them back.
[09:14] <|QuaD-__> i would actually imagine that bt is worse
[09:14] <|QuaD-__> but i odn't know for sure
[09:15] <magneto> tru quad - with loss and errors
[09:15] <LinuxJones> |QuaD-__, but the clients help with distributing the data to each other as opposed to getting it all from 1 server
[09:15] <Synek> Actually if you have a good pipe bt is more effcient
[09:15] <farruinn> catdog, wouldn't that break his apt?
[09:15] <Synek> you don't rely on one's server speed
[09:15] <zenpod> Can anyone tell me where I can find the industrial theme for the warty firefox?
[09:15] <catdog> painiac: but don't blame ubuntu if things break....
[09:15] <magneto> linuxjones - sometimes i download 350mb for a 320mb file with bt
[09:15] <|QuaD-__> LinuxJones: right
[09:15] <|QuaD-__> magneto: i was thinking about the extra connections causing extra overhead
[09:15] <catdog> farruinn: well, yes :)
[09:16] <painiac> catdog wouldn't dare
[09:16] <|QuaD-__> magneto: i didn't think about errors
[09:16] <LinuxJones> magneto, that's odd
[09:16] <|QuaD-__> LinuxJones: no it isn't
[09:16] <|QuaD-__> LinuxJones: there are errors all the time
[09:16] <catdog> I've used hoary's version of ndiswrapper like that.
[09:16] <magneto> Linuxjones- no its common
[09:16] <magneto> moreso with bt than ftp scp http
[09:17] <farruinn> painiac, I think if you add the hoary repository to your sources.list but then go to synaptic's "expert" preference pane and select warty as the default archive you'll be safe
[09:17] <|QuaD-__> and the bt requires more cpu time, because it does checksums regardless of your preferences
[09:17] <LinuxJones> magneto, Isn't tracker information also downloaded to get the different bits from different clients. Maybe that adds to the overhead as well
[09:17] <farruinn> painiac, that way you can add specific packages from hoary while maintaining a warty install
[09:17] <|QuaD-__> LinuxJones: this stuff to the overhead is soo small, the point is that a 70mb file IS a 70mb file
[09:17] <farruinn> painiac, but really I would suggest you just go with what's in warty, I mean it's not that stale
[09:17] <LinuxJones> magneto, I't research time regardless ;)
[09:17] <newtolinux> how would i update every package on my system?
[09:18] <catdog> farruinn: that's essentially what I meant
[09:18] <|QuaD-__> LinuxJones: what do you need the data for
[09:18] <farruinn> newtolinux, sudo apt-get upgrade
[09:18] <farruinn> at the terminal
[09:18] <magneto> Linuxjones: is it for server load issues?
[09:18] <LinuxJones> |QuaD-__, a project I am working on for later this fall
[09:18] <LinuxJones> magneto, yes
[09:18] <|QuaD-__> what type
[09:19] <LinuxJones> |QuaD-__, distribution of lots and lots of data :D
[09:19] <newtolinux> Reading Package Lists... Done
[09:19] <newtolinux> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[09:19] <newtolinux> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[09:19] <newtolinux> does tha mean im fully uptodate?
[09:19] <farruinn> yes
[09:19] <magneto> linuxjones-  could be a cheap solution
[09:19] <painiac> farruinn, i need that lib to install Q3 and ET
[09:19] <magneto> depending on a few things
[09:19] <painiac> wont install on AMD64 with the 2.2 version
[09:19] <|QuaD-__> magneto: its not ideal in EVERY situation
[09:20] <newtolinux> another question, how long does it take to receive cd's orderd at the ubuntu site
[09:20] <magneto> im assuming the data changes daily weekly - disparate locations
[09:20] <farruinn> painiac, ok, if there's aren't warty packages for those then you probably want to go with what I mentioned before
[09:20] <LinuxJones> magneto, I am thinking that RSS combined with BT will work quite nicely, I guess I will goto a BT irc channel and ask some questions. Thanks for the info guys :)
[09:20] <magneto> quad- of course not- but he obviously wants a nonstandard solution
[09:20] <painiac> will try it :)
[09:20] <magneto> gl linuxjones
[09:21] <LinuxJones> |QuaD-__, ftp or http is far too expensive for my limited budget
[09:21] <LinuxJones> ty :)
[09:21] <|QuaD-__> painiac: ?
[09:21] <palle1> when i try to open an iso file in k3b it says "could not open document!"
[09:21] <farruinn> painiac, just keep in mind that's what I *would* do, not saying I've ever done it ;-)
[09:21] <AndyR> lo ppl
[09:21] <|QuaD-__> LinuxJones: don't forget, people have to sitll have the tracker and fully downloaded fil on there come to seed
[09:21] <farruinn> palle1, nautilus or cdrecord aren't working?
[09:21] <magneto> palle1 - choose burn data disc
[09:21] <painiac> farruinn, doesn't matter, its on a test machine, it it is fuckz0red i just reinstall
[09:22] <painiac> firt it = if
[09:22] <magneto> palle1- permissions?
[09:22] <farruinn> painiac, haha, those machiens are always the most fun!
[09:22] <painiac> especially since it is not mine :)
[09:22] <palle1> nautilus is working cdrecord i don't know...
[09:22] <painiac> its for a friend of my brother, he wanted a new PC but no more windows :p
[09:23] <LinuxJones> |QuaD-__, yeah but I am hoping people will be generous :)
[09:23] <painiac> so i'm trying out this distro to see if it would be good for him
[09:23] <MFen> all right, all the howtos are lying. how do you enable nfs on ubuntu?
[09:23] <painiac> i'm a gentoo user myself
[09:23] <farruinn> palle1, if you just right-click on the iso in nautilus you get the option to burn to disc
[09:23] <|QuaD-__> LinuxJones: how much bandwith do you need?
[09:23] <newtolinux> question, how long does it take to receive cd's orderd at the ubuntu site?
[09:23] <|QuaD-__> i pay 3.95/month for 5GB and 110 gb of transfer per month
[09:23] <palle1> aha, ok thnx farruinn =)
[09:23] <|QuaD-__> i can hook you up with the guy
[09:23] <MFen> i've added our network addresses to /etc/hosts.allow, i've fixed /etc/default/portmap and it still binds to localhost
[09:23] <MFen> what's the problem?
[09:24] <MFen> o
[09:24] <MFen> i get connection refused on e.g. showmount
[09:24] <MFen> and netstat -l shows that the services are bound to localhost.localdomain
[09:24] <magneto> Quad- what about php and mysql? can I get the info too :)
[09:24] <LinuxJones> |QuaD-__, Off the top of my head about 150 gig/month
[09:24] <catdog> newtolinux: I don't know, but don't expect them anytime soon if you've only just requested (I think the region of 6-8 weeks might be accurate - anyone?)
[09:24] <|QuaD-__> magneto: sure pm me
[09:25] <LinuxJones> |QuaD-__, wtf, that's incredible. Wherre are the servers located in the US ?
[09:25] <|QuaD-__> florida
[09:25] <painiac> farruinn, were do i find what to add to sources.list?
[09:25] <palle1> when i doubleclick on the iso-file it seems corrupted files and folders are named ______ ___  ____ _______
[09:26] <palle1> or it's suposed to be like that?
[09:26] <|QuaD-__> magneto, Linuxjones: instead of talking here, pm me about this, because its offtopic
[09:27] <farruinn> painiac, just create a new line that mimics the line already there (deb http://archive....) but enter hoary instead of warty
[09:27] <painiac> oh ok
[09:27] <painiac> thx
[09:28] <Muskrat>  Suppose that real objects acted like subatomic particals (ie: quantinum physics). Now, you have a manufacturing plant, in which you package toys for Mattel. On your input conveyor belt, you have a random assortment of Barbie dolls and Kens. Half the toys, no matter the type, come with a white shirt, while the other half come with a black shirt.
[09:28] <Muskrat>
[09:28] <Muskrat> At the first juntion, you have a machine in which will split the inputted dolls into a Ken conveyor belt and a Barbie conveyor belt. At the end of these lines, you package the dolls and ship them out. The stores are happy that the Kens are in the Ken boxes, and the Barbies are in the Barbie boxes, but would like the different Kens and Barbies to be packaged with a label saying if they have a white or a black shirt to make them easier to org
[09:28] <Muskrat>
[09:28] <Muskrat>  When you ship out your boxes to the stores, they soon call back and complain about a packaging mistake. What was the mistake?
[09:31] <|QuaD-__> LOL
[09:33] <newtolinux> anyone know how long it takes to ship the ubuntu cd's?
[09:34] <scoon> newtolinux, a while.  some ordered in October and have yet to get them
[09:34] <scoon> others seem to get them pretty quick
[09:35] <Muskrat> took about 3 months for me to get them
[09:35] <newtolinux> :/
[09:35] <Ribs> Given it's free, you can't complain :P
[09:36] <Muskrat> yup
[09:36] <Synek> ;)
[09:36] <z99tms> Hey folks..........anyone have any trouble getting their dialup working?
[09:36] <z99tms> I downloaded gnome-ppp, but it won't detect my modem
[09:36] <Synek> nope, isdn just working fine
[09:36] <z99tms> toshiba laptop
[09:36] <Muskrat> I had forgotten, it arrived and i was like wtf is ubuntu
[09:37] <ulisse> Hi all
[09:39] <hypa7ia> hey anyone know how to enable incoming ssh on the livecd?
[09:41] <Ribs> sudo /etc/init.d/sshd start ?
[09:42] <Ribs> sudo /etc/init.d/ssh start ?
[09:42] <Ribs> (no d)
[09:43] <Ribs> I'm just guessing here
[09:43] <Ribs> prehaps it's not on there at all
[09:43] <Ribs> *shrug*
[09:43] <hypa7ia> i think it isn't :-/
[09:43] <farruinn> is sshd part of the default install?
[09:43] <hypa7ia> nor the livecd
[09:46] <RuffianSoldier> http://img19.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img19&image=screenshot6zb.png
[09:47] <hypa7ia> nice, RuffianSoldier
[09:47] <lizdeika> now thats one sick desktop
[09:47] <RuffianSoldier> TY
[09:47] <RuffianSoldier> Its BeatrIX Linux - its based off Ubuntu and Knoppix
[09:47] <hypa7ia> what do you use for the dock?
[09:47] <RuffianSoldier> GDesklets
[09:48] <RuffianSoldier> I added hoary repos just ot get it lol
[09:48] <|QuaD-__> RuffianSoldier: thats when i upgraded to hoary :)
[09:48] <RuffianSoldier> Ya BeatrIX uses Ubuntu repos - and its Knoppix remeastered
[09:48] <RuffianSoldier> its very slick
[09:49] <hypa7ia> neatoooo
[09:49] <hypa7ia> i want hoary :-/
[09:49] <hypa7ia> last attempt trashed everything tho :-((
[09:49] <Ribs> hypa7ia: Wait until April :P
[09:49] <Ribs> April fool! mwhahaha
[09:50] <hypa7ia> i'll wait till there's a slightly more working installer
[09:50] <hypa7ia> then do a clean hoary install
[09:50] <afonit> if anyone on here is doing the horay updates, does it include inkscape .40?
[09:51] <BockBilbo> hello
[09:52] <Ribs> yes
[09:52] <Ribs> 0.40-1
[09:53] <magneto> hypa- im running hoary - no crashes here
[09:54] <hypa7ia> it wasn't a crash... i was a dumbass and didn't switch to utf-8 before upgrading...
[09:55] <magneto> ohhhh upgrade
[09:55] <theine> what's this new /.dev directory I suddenly have?
[09:55] <magneto> i didnt dare try that
[09:55] <magneto> i just backed up  my /etc and /home/ and /boot and did a new install
[09:56] <hypa7ia> i tried installing
[09:56] <hypa7ia> but the cd didn't get my lappy's cd drive
[09:59] <magneto> hypa - thats weird - im running on a dell now with dvd-cdrw-  that could be fixed though hypa :)
[10:01] <hypa7ia> yeah, i'm sure it will be
[10:10] <|QuaD-__> i have this crontab listing: * */3 * * * php -r "include(dsafdsafds);"
[10:10] <|QuaD-__> i want it to happen every 3 hours, but it happens every minute or so
[10:11] <|QuaD-__> and it emails me everytime it happens
[10:11] <|QuaD-__> how can i stop it from eamiling me and time it right
[10:15] <strestout1_> anyone here? i'm having a big problem with ubuntu since i updated to hoary
[10:15] <housetier> |QuaD- to stop from emailing redirect the output to /dev/null
[10:16] <|QuaD-__> so just add a >null?
[10:16] <strestout1_> oh good people are here...since i update to hoary yesterday, when i put my login name and password and hit enter, my entire system freezes
[10:17] <farruinn> strestout1_, is this only at gdm or at the command line too?
[10:17] <strestout1_> gdm
[10:17] <Ribs> strestout1_: Which is why you shouldn't be using hoary unless you really know what you are doing.
[10:17] <Ribs> do yourself a favour, go back
[10:18] <farruinn> strest
[10:18] <strestout1_> yes?
[10:18] <painiac> farruinn, i added the sources and stuff, but i can't find the glibc-package :s
[10:18] <farruinn> painiac, I thinkt he package it libc6
[10:18] <strestout1_> problem with going back to warty is that my mouse kinda quits working after a while
[10:18] <padlefot> thats XF96
[10:19] <padlefot> not worty
[10:19] <farruinn> strestout1_, try going to pseudo terminal 1 (alt+ctrl+F1) and login there
[10:19] <padlefot> *86
[10:19] <strestout1_> it will still move, but i cant click anything
[10:19] <strestout1_> np...ty farruinn
[10:19] <farruinn> strestout1_, if you can login there then try to mv .ICEauthority .ICEauthority.old
[10:19] <farruinn> that may or may not work though because usually if that's the problem y ou get an error from gdm
[10:19] <farruinn> as opposed to a freeze
[10:20] <strestout1_> i was hoping there would be an easier fix than going back to warty...i will try that today farruinn
[10:21] <strestout1_> thanx again
[10:22] <karlheg> Applications | Multimedia | Music Player does not work.  Is this known?  FAQ?  Where?
[10:23] <Ribs> karlheg: works just fine here.
[10:23] <karlheg> Here it just hangs and makes no sound.
[10:23] <Ribs> Does sound in general work?
[10:24] <karlheg> This is a fresh Warty install on a laptop with i810 audio.
[10:24] <Ribs> Do you hear that funky ubuntu tune when you log in?
[10:24] <entil> hello all
[10:24] <karlheg> Yes.
[10:24] <karlheg> Sounds for desktop events play.
[10:24] <andrea> hi
[10:24] <karlheg> Yup.
[10:24] <karlheg> I like it.
[10:24] <entil> do you have time for a stupid question concerning installation from a usb cdrom drive?-)
[10:24] <karlheg> Ubuntu is what Debian belongs being.
[10:24] <entil> ie. has anone accomplished this? :)
[10:24] <karlheg> Does your BIOS boot it?
[10:24] <beb0s> entil: not me, sorry
[10:24] <Ribs> enabl: if the BIOS can boot from it, I suspect you'll be okay
[10:25] <karlheg> Hmmm... but when linux takes over, it must load driver for that USB CD.
[10:25] <entil> karl: I must boot from pxe, and it goes pretty well pretty far, it says it mounted root ext2, must be the initrd, but then the kernel dies with VFS unable to mount root
[10:26] <karlheg> PXE?  So you are net booting, not booting the USB CD
[10:26] <entil> I tried pretty much anything, /dev/cdrom, /dev/usb/cd, /dev/sd, /dev/sda and all that, /dev/scd
[10:26] <entil> oh no, that is not possible
[10:26] <entil> I must change the root to point to the usb device for this to work
[10:26] <karlheg> /dev/scd0 ?
[10:26] <entil> of course I might be able to nfsroot the ubuntu installer
[10:26] <entil> tried and failed
[10:26] <karlheg> or /dev/scd
[10:27] <entil> but if I do that I must almost certainly recompile a kernel for the installer
[10:27] <entil> and /dev/scd failed
[10:27] <carthikSchool> I need the kernel-source for my version of the kernel-image and it is not in the ubuntu repository. So can I use the debian repository's kernel?
[10:27] <entil> I have tried nine roots so far
[10:27] <karlheg> History Channel on today... really cool shows about AI and Robotics.
[10:27] <karlheg> carthikSchool, Probably.
[10:27] <masquerade> does anyone know if ubuntu uses kernel sources directly from debian or do they patch their own
[10:28] <entil> but there are some things that puzzle me, like, what does devfs=mount,dall really really mean?
[10:28] <thoreauputic> entil: the device will have a number (/dev/sda1 or something ) not just /dev/sda
[10:28] <carthikSchool> karlheg, it's my one and only laptop :)
[10:28] <magneto> they patch their own masquerde
[10:28] <carthikSchool> masquerade, :)
[10:28] <karlheg> They may be patched for that quiet boot option and perhaps bootsplash.
[10:28] <entil> I'd also like to know why the ubuntu kernel config is not included anywhere, or if it is, why is it so well hidden? :)
[10:28] <karlheg> The Debian one will work fine though.
[10:28] <masquerade> carthikHome__, sometimes the wording makes all the difference :P
[10:28] <Kirsch> hey guys, i'm trying to install Oracle 9i, the installer is GUI based but my server doesn't have XFree on it, so I am trying to launch the gui-based installer from my laptop, i am SSHing into the server via ssh -X <IP_ADDRESS> and i do "export DISPLAY=<IP_ADDRESS>:0.0" and try and run it but the installer exits saying could bring up display, my laptop (<IP_ADDRESS>) is Ubuntu 4.1
[10:28] <karlheg> Isn't it in /boot/config-* ?
[10:28] <magneto> entil hidden?
[10:29] <magneto> yes
[10:29] <cameron45> hey, is there any automated way to get apt-get'ed packages to show up in the gnome menu?
[10:29] <magneto> yes kerlheg
[10:29] <masquerade> entil, it might be in .config :P
[10:29] <magneto> add them yourself cameron
[10:29] <cameron45> update-menu does nothing visible
[10:29] <cameron45> magneto, that's the only way?
[10:29] <entil> uhm /boot is probably on the cd image
[10:29] <karlheg> Kirsch, You should not need to 'export DISPLAY=...' since 'ssh -X' should already do that.  'ssh -X root@server' should work.
[10:30] <magneto> cameron45 unless thats openbox update-menu doesnt do that
[10:30] <entil> no it's not
[10:30] <entil> err
[10:30] <entil> and not on the initrd
[10:30] <magneto> cameron45 not just OB but flux  etc
[10:30] <Kirsch> karlheg: ok wel, it doesn't seem to be working either way... does my server need something so that I can bring up the GUI?
[10:30] <karlheg> cameron45, install 'apt-src', fix it by adding a .desktop file, and send a patch to the right place.
[10:30] <karlheg>  apt-src install programpackage
[10:31] <karlheg> ;-)
[10:31] <entil> hmm :P
[10:31] <karlheg> xauth
[10:31] <karlheg> sshd
[10:31] <cameron45> but update-menus generates all these nice .desktop files... gnome just ignores them
[10:31] <karlheg> Whatever libraries the installer program you are running needs to link against.
[10:31] <karlheg> See first if you can launch 'xeyes'.
[10:32] <karlheg> If it's looking at you, your connection is fine.
[10:32] <magneto> cameron45 compare those to what you have in `/.gnome2.
[10:32] <karlheg> ... or some X application to test with.
[10:32] <Kirsch> karlheg: i installed xterm on the server to test it and it says "xterm Xt error: Can't open display: <IP_ADDRESS>:0.0"
[10:32] <cameron45> they showed up in ~/.gnome2/apps/
[10:32] <karlheg> cameron45, Ah.  Hmmm... not sure.  There must be a way.
[10:32] <magneto> cameron45 compare those to what you have in `/.gnome2./vfolders/
[10:33] <karlheg> Wrong display.  It should be looking for one on <IP_ADDRESS>:10 or so.
[10:33] <magneto> cameron45 compare those to what you have in `/.gnome2./vfolders/applications
[10:33] <karlheg> ... with ssh -X.
[10:33] <karlheg> Make sure the sshd has X forwarding enabled.
[10:33] <karlheg> (at the server)
[10:33] <Kirsch> how?
[10:33] <beb0s> Kirsch: look in /etc/ssh/sshd.config
[10:33] <cameron45> find . | grep  vfolder  shows nothing at all
[10:34] <karlheg> emacs /etc/ssh/sshd.config
[10:34] <Kirsch> ForardX11 Yes is there
[10:34] <karlheg> dpkg --purge vi
[10:34] <karlheg> !
[10:34] <cameron45> magneto, i don't have a vfolders anywhere in my home
[10:34] <magneto> cameron45: applications:/// from nautilus unless you are current in hoary-              cameron /home/user/.gnome2/vfolders/applications
[10:34] <thoreauputic> and of course the ssh -X is an upper case X (seems obvious but it's caught me a few times)
[10:34] <karlheg> Ok.
[10:34] <entil> mmyeah
[10:34] <Kirsch> rather "X11Forwarding yes"
[10:34] <karlheg> How about 'xeyes'?
[10:34] <entil> I tried to omit the root= option even, no bonus
[10:35] <entil> VFS: Cannot open root device "<NULL>" or unknown-block(8,3)
[10:35] <cameron45> magneto, ok, i see my gnome menu
[10:35] <entil> does anyone please have the ubuntu kernel config or a pointer to it so I can see if I'm fighting a windmill here :P
[10:35] <oly> hi, any filesystems supported in both windows and linux other than fat32 ?
[10:35] <oly> cuz fat32 partitions have to be small
[10:36] <entil> ohyeah, it gets worse than this
[10:36] <entil> because usb-storage is a module
[10:36] <karlheg> oly: vfat
[10:36] <entil> is there a way to specify modules to be isntalled on the bootparam line?
[10:36] <magneto> entil what are tryin to do
[10:36] <oly> thanks karlheg will check it out
[10:37] <magneto> usb drive?
[10:37] <karlheg> oly: it's the windows 98 file system... basically fat32 with long file names
[10:37] <entil> magneto: I boot the ubuntu installer, it loads linux but dies on the aforementioned VFS panic, when I try to install from a usb drive
[10:37] <karlheg> Kirsch, Any luck?
[10:37] <oly> okay but can partitions be bigger than 30gb ?
[10:37] <magneto> ohhh
[10:37] <oly> i want to format a 60gb hard disk to access with windows and linux
[10:37] <entil> and now I should basically know if I must, if I can, nfsroot the installer OR install the usb-storage module on the bootparam line
[10:37] <karlheg> Kirsch, What OS / Distro is on the server?
[10:37] <Kirsch> karlheg: nope
[10:37] <Kirsch> karlheg: RHFC2
[10:38] <magneto> entil: have you checked in the ubuntuforums?
[10:38] <magneto> im sure there is a work around entil
[10:38] <entil> BUT it would have to do the insmod between mounting the initrd and the vfs death
[10:38] <cameron45> magneto, so how do i get the debian menus into applications://
[10:39] <magneto> so youre installing from a usb cd drive entil - hold on let me check something
[10:39] <karlheg> Kirsch, 'ssh -X server', 'xterm'.
[10:39] <karlheg> Does that do anything?
[10:39] <entil> no bonus on the forums (or I'm blind)
[10:40] <magneto> cameron: ~/.gnome2/vfolders/
[10:40] <beb0s> any of you have upgraded a debian/sid to hoary ?
[10:40] <entil> sure there are some topics like "Installation error" but they could contain anything and I dunno
[10:40] <entil> maybe I should read through every message but that'd take too long :>
[10:40] <karlheg> entil, perhaps you could install 'by hand' using the Live CD?
[10:40] <oly> looks like vfat has same limitations though it just supports long file names
[10:41] <oly> so i can not use that with a 60gb hard disk
[10:41] <entil> karlheg: I wonder if I can even boot the live cd if I can't boot the installation cd any better than this
[10:41] <karlheg> oly, you probably just need an external server directory over SAMBA ?
[10:41] <karlheg> Try.
[10:41] <entil> the funniest point is that I should just get this so far going that my sister can install by herself, it's her laptop and I don't really have time to do the geeky things I'd do if it were my own laptop
[10:42] <oly> i need a file system supported by window and linux that also supports paritions larger than 60gb
[10:42] <karlheg> Kirsch, 'ssh -X root@server', 'echo $DISPLAY' ?
[10:42] <oly> well no, the hard disk is not set up yet :p
[10:42] <entil> oly: there are tools like ext2fsd or somesuch for windows that allow access to ext3 filesystems; I heard one exists for reiserfs too
[10:42] <oly> ah, cool thats what i need
[10:43] <oly> i can not use ntfs cuz then i can not write to the partition
[10:43] <oly> resierfs would be ideal
[10:43] <karlheg> Anyone get 'network-manager-gnome' to work?
[10:43] <oly> if i can use it in windows
[10:43] <oly> will see if i can find an app that allows this then
[10:43] <entil> oly: I'm afraid I don't know any more than this, my gut says reiserfs is very beta, and either way, I don't think it's native access, only a browser tool, so be warned
[10:43] <karlheg> oly, I think you're just stuck with small partition size.  Do you need files that big, or just that much space?  Why not split it into multiple partitions?
[10:44] <entil> Yet another Duel Boot/Grub problem <- Duel Boot almost describes my situation ;)
[10:44] <oly> i could split it just seems silly when its used for media files :p
[10:44] <karlheg> Can't XP combine drive letters on one mount tree now?
[10:44] <karlheg> How big are they?  9.4 Gib, right?
[10:44] <oly> anyway thanks for help
[10:45] <oly> do not think reiser fs is beta
[10:45] <karlheg> Don't tell us.
[10:45] <entil> usb-storage-device-bootable installer
[10:45] <entil> oh bugger
[10:45] <oly> its part of ubuntu cuz i am using that now :p
[10:45] <entil> that's MarksHoaryGoals
[10:45] <entil> +from
[10:45] <entil> so I guess that's that with that?
[10:45] <entil> but that's also last edited a month ago
[10:47] <magneto> entil try usb-uhci
[10:48] <entil> magneto: how can I insmod on the kernel commandline?
[10:49] <entil> hmm
[10:49] <entil> can someone please point me to the direction of the ubuntu kernel config?
[10:50] <entil> if I can make a new <IP_ADDRESS> based on that one, I can email the list on how I got this to work
[10:50] <entil> or hmm
[10:50] <entil> MAYBE it's included in the actual .deb
[10:50] <entil> I'm also a bit tired, it's almost midnight here in finland, please forgive my rambling :)
[10:50] <ilmari> entil: /boot/config-`uname -r`
[10:50] <magneto> entil: open another terminal ctrl-alt f3
[10:51] <beb0s> entil: same time here in italy :-)
[10:51] <entil> ilmari: ok, I must then download the deb
[10:51] <magneto> entil: insmod usb-uhci
[10:51] <entil> beb0s: I thought you were in +1 of us
[10:51] <entil> note that the server from which I boot is my desktop debian sid
[10:51] <magneto> entil: at what point does the install crash
[10:51] <entil> magneto: that is not good, sorry :P I can not insmod here
[10:52] <beb0s> entil: aren't you on CET ?
[10:52] <entil> it mounts the initrd (or something ext2 as root) and then panics with VFS: cannot find root device
[10:52] <entil> beb: gmt+2
[10:52] <entil> if that's cet :)
[10:52] <entil> I can't remember anything but gmt/utc+-something :)
[10:52] <magneto> entil: so you get no prompts it just dies right away?
[10:52] <entil> magneto: exactly
[10:53] <entil> a run-of-the-mill kernel panic
[10:53] <magneto> entil: no boot or press enter option
[10:53] <entil> I bypassed isolinux with the pxe setup
[10:53] <entil> append DEBCONF_PRIORITY=critical vga=normal initrd=/ubuntu_initrd.gz ramdisk_size=10240 root=/dev/scd init=/linuxrc devfs=mount,dall rw --
[10:53] <entil> that's what I boot with
[10:54] <entil> ubuntu_initrd.gz is the same as the standard initrd.gz of ubuntu but iwth /etc/modules added with usb-storage
[10:54] <entil> but that's no bonus either because this crashes before it has the chance for fs access
[10:54] <beb0s> entil: it's 11pm here ... (but I'm also tired :-)
[10:55] <entil> but really, I thank you now and try to do some studies for school.. I will download the ubuntu kernel deb tomorrow and see what I can make of it
[10:55] <magneto> why dont u try appending usb-uhci which is what the usb-storage uses to connect to any usb device or ohci or ehci
[10:55] <entil> magneto: where on the bootparam can I do this?
[10:55] <magneto> "usb-uhci" inline with your other params
[10:56] <magneto> then try the other usb modules if that doesnt help
[10:56] <magneto> usdb-ohci
[10:56] <magneto> usb-ohci rather
[10:56] <magneto> and usb-ehci
[10:56] <imka> i wonder when the ubuntu cd's will arrive. they'd make great xmas presents
[10:56] <magneto> different hardware use different usb drivers
[10:56] <entil> just perfect, the battery died
[10:56] <magneto> lol
[10:56] <entil> brb gotta get the recharger
[10:56] <imka> is there any1 who ordered some and still didnt get them
[10:56] <imka> ?
[10:57] <entil> magneto: usb-storage should depmod all of them I think
[10:57] <RuffianSoldier> how do I change the GDM theme?
[10:57] <magneto> entil: ubuntu's install cd has an issue with usb devices for some people
[10:58] <entil> append DEBCONF_PRIORITY=critical vga=normal initrd=/ubuntu_initrd.gz ramdisk_size=10240 usb-storage root=/dev/scd init=/linuxrc devfs=mount,dall rw --
[10:58] <entil> that's what you're suggesting?
[10:58] <magneto> Ruffian- login manager
[10:59] <magneto> no entil
[10:59] <entil> usb-uhci yes
[10:59] <entil> but it is not enough without usb-storage, I'm pretty sure
[11:00] <magneto> how come you cant boot normally
[11:00] <magneto> no bios options?
[11:00] <entil> the laptop bios supports only floppy, hd and pxe
[11:00] <entil> and pxe booting per se is a trivial task to set up
[11:00] <magneto> yeah youre right on the storage part
[11:01] <entil> but I thank you, I will try to do my version of the ubuntu kernel for this pxe install tomorrow or during the weekend, subscribe to the list and speak there
[11:01] <magneto> try that- yeah  i dont like debian kernels or ubuntus myself
[11:01] <entil> (there's very little chance that I will ever use web forums that don't use mail lists as a backend)
[11:02] <entil> I use -cko of kem.p.lodz.pl/~peter/cko myself, based on dr. kolivas' -ck of kernel.kolivas.org :)
[11:02] <magneto> entil: ubuntuforums has some forums which are precisely that
[11:02] <entil> magneto: mirrored off the lists?
[11:02] <entil> EXCELLENT
[11:02] <entil> I'm writing a program to do this, but it has been idle for many months
[11:02] <magneto> same here ckoverloaded3 2.6.9
[11:02] <entil> my approach is a pluggable extension of the enemies-of-carlotta mail list manager
[11:03] <entil> but now eoc is pluggable too, I should take some time to do some rewriting and new code
[11:03] <entil> and now I'm digressing and rambling when I should study, shower and sleep at the same time, not do irc or ubuntu :D
[11:03] <magneto> lol
[11:03] <entil> thanks again and good night, cya on the list or here on irc later!
[11:03] <magneto> same here
[11:08] <pepsi_> okay, so to upgrade to hoary, i update my sources.list, upgrade, and THEN fix my locale?
[11:08] <pepsi_> on my laptop i changed my locale before upgrading
[11:08] <pepsi_> and it didnt look like i was sposed to do that
[11:09] <Kamion> pepsi_: right
[11:09] <craig> hello people.. Could I ask a question that isn't exactly ubuntu related..?
[11:11] <craig> anybody?
[11:11] <thoreauputic> craig: don't ask to ask - go ahead - if we think it's off topic we'll just flame you unmercifully (joke) :)
[11:12] <craig> ok.. I'm trying to convice GStreamer to output files of decompressed music.. This is what I got so far gst-launch-0.8 filesrc location=/music/palookaville/wonderful_night.mp3 ! mad ! filesink location=wonderfulnight.wav
[11:12] <[nir] > ???
[11:12] <craig> the problem is.. the file is unreadable..
[11:13] <[nir] > hello
[11:13] <craig> I've no idea of what to do next .. heck, I even tried just changing the file extension in hope that it might work
[11:14] <farruinn> [nir]  what's up?
[11:14] <[nir] > can i use debian packages ?
[11:15] <[nir] > all fine .. started to use suse today .. and its really suks .. hard to set language and to get gnome .. i think that distro will be fine for me
[11:15] <farruinn> [nir] , yes
[11:15] <thoreauputic> craig: have you looked at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats as in the /topic? I don't know if it might help, but might be worth reading
[11:15] <craig> O... I have the right plugins installed
[11:16] <thoreauputic> OK - just a suggestion
[11:17] <[nir] > ubuntu got a good hardware support. like its auto install 3button mouse,sound card and stuff ?
[11:19] <[nir] > ?
[11:20] <the_gummibear> is there a way to see what files a user accessed on the samba server?
[11:20] <the_gummibear> cause the logs are only showing when somebody joined
[11:21] <shmoolik> hello
[11:21] <craig> Hey again, just got the solution.. craig: you're outputting raw data, not a wav file
 ahh.. ok, so if it was .raw
 craig: if you nwant to have a wav file, you need to add a wavenc element, like ... ! mad ! wavenc ! filesink
[11:22] <craig> yay! one step closer to a G3b of sorts
[11:22] <jcole> what env variable do i set to '/usr/bin/gcc-3.2' so make-kpkg uses gcc 3.2 ?
[11:22] <[nir] > is there any cdrw program on gnome that compares to k3b ?
[11:23] <craig> no I don't think so
[11:23] <craig> well, not in usability..thats why I'm trying..
[11:23] <Quest-Master> How can I make a symbolic link in Nautilus?
[11:24] <Mabus> Is there anything wrong with mono* in hoary ?
[11:24] <jcole> Quest-Master: right click a file and select "Make Link"
[11:24] <Quest-Master> XD that was way too obvious.
[11:24] <Quest-Master> Thanks.
[11:25] <pepsi_> Quest-Master: or control-shift drag
[11:29] <confrey> hi everybody
[11:29] <ficusplanet> I'm playing around with the indubstrial theme to try and make tab-close buttons look better with other icon themes.  Is there anyway that I can chnage the style for buttons on tabs but leave normal buttons intact?
[11:30] <confrey> why can't I see correctly bold characters in OpenOffce?
[11:30] <GotD0t> confrey: i noticed that, it prints fine but it doesn't display them... im assuming you're using warty
[11:30] <Mabus> ficusplanet: just use > to select it more specificaly.
[11:30] <ficusplanet> Mabus, Thanks.
[11:30] <Mabus> ficusplanet: read the CSS spec on Selectors (section 2 or something)
[11:31] <ficusplanet> Mabus, Oh, CSS is used in the gtkrc files?
[11:31] <Mabus> ficusplanet: err.. 5 :)
[11:31] <Mabus> oh
[11:31] <Mabus> ficusplanet: I thought it was CSS.
[11:31] <ficusplanet> Mabus, No, sorry, the config file for a theme, actually.
[11:31] <Mabus> I don't think you can use CSS in gtkrc, no.
[11:31] <Mabus> ah, right.
[11:31] <Mabus> aaah - I thought you was talking about the industrial theme for Firefox.
[11:31] <Mabus> for some weird reason.
[11:33] <zerokarmaleft> Mabus, afaik all the dependencies for mono in hoary haven't been updated to 1.04
[11:33] <Amaranth> zerokarmaleft: Most of them haven't.
[11:34] <zerokarmaleft> Mabus, and 1.05 just came out today but the differences are fairly insignificant
[11:34] <Amaranth> err, isn't hoary using 1.1.x though?
[11:34] <Amaranth> or will that not be out before hoary is stable?
[11:34] <zerokarmaleft> Amaranth, i should hope not
[11:35] <confrey> GotD0t, yes, I'm using Warty; I noticed that's happening while using Nimbus Roman, while using some other fonts the bold chars are readble right
[11:35] <zerokarmaleft> 1.1.x is the dev branch
[11:35] <Amaranth> libgconf-cil libgecko-cil libglade-cil libglib-cil libgnome-cil libgtk-cil libgtksourceview-cil mono-assemblies-base mono-jit mono-mcs monodoc-base monodoc-manual
[11:35] <Amaranth> thats all the stuff that will get removed from my system is i upgrade mono :p
[11:35] <Amaranth> zerokarmaleft: What do you think GNOME 2.9.x is?
[11:36] <GotD0t> confrey: you might want to try pulling the MS fonts off the repos so it will default to times new roman
[11:36] <zerokarmaleft> something i don't want to install again until it becomes 2.10 :p
[11:36] <Mabus> zerokarmaleft: yes, mono-assemblies-base is the problem now; it's still 1.0.2.
[11:37] <Mabus> alright, I'll just wait a couple of days and see :)
[11:37] <Mabus> thanks
[11:37] <DagaZ> what version of kde is there for ubuntu? and is it possible to use kiosktool with that version?
[11:37] <def|nap> kde :X
[11:38] <Amaranth> DagaZ: I believe it's 3.3.1
[11:38] <Riddell> DagaZ: warty has KDE 3.2, hoary has some but not all KDE 3.3
[11:38] <confrey> GotD0t, I'm not using MS fonts, not yet
[11:38] <Amaranth> holy crap, warty has KDE 3.2?
[11:38] <Amaranth> isn't that over a year old?
[11:39] <DagaZ> ok.. then the kiosktool should work just fine.. thx Amaranth and Riddell
[11:39] <Riddell> DagaZ: there are no packages for kiosktool but you're best to use the most recent kiosktool sources anyway
[11:39] <Bols> hi!
[11:39] <GotD0t> confrey: theres nothing wrong with them ;-) personally i think they look cleaner... as well as the fact that i LOVE courier new and you can't get it outside of the msfonts package
[11:39] <PotajiTo> i isntall kde 3.3.1 with debain unstable repos, it works perfect
[11:39] <Riddell> Amaranth: 3.3 was released in August which is about when warty packages were chosen
[11:39] <Bols> Does someone know where I can find the packages list included in the ubuntu livecd, plz?
[11:39] <Riddell> I have KDE 3.3 packages to fill in the missing ones from hoary
[11:39] <jcole> Amaranth: ya, lol, wasn't gnome 2.8 was over 1 week old when ubuntu released? ...
[11:40] <Amaranth> ;)
[11:40] <confrey> DagaZ, what's kiosktool?
[11:40] <Riddell> jcole: that's different since Canonical emply the gnome release manager it gets special treatment
[11:41] <Riddell> confrey: nice GUI for locking down the desktop so users can't mess things up
[11:41] <DagaZ> confrey: a tool to lockdown features in kde.. mostly for cruel admins like me.. or parents
[11:41] <jcole> the only thing i like about kde is k3b
[11:41] <Riddell> DagaZ: for admins mostly, stops users doing things like moving toolbars about, moving desktop icons, browsing outside their home directory, running programmes they shouldn't, saves a lot of admin time for small fixes
[11:42] <[BTM] gee> someone that plays quake3 ? got some problems with Sys_Error: GLimp_Init() - could not load OpenGL subsystem
[11:42] <Quest-Master> Does anyone here use Codeweavers' CrossOver Office?
[11:42] <defunkt> yeah i do
[11:42] <jcole> [BTM] gee: ln -s your open gl libs into quake 3
[11:42] <DagaZ> Riddell: sure does.. uses it on the internet-caf I am running.. works like a charm
[11:42] <Quest-Master> It lets you use Adobe and Macromedia's products in Linux
[11:42] <Bols> ok, I found it : http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/warty-release-install-i386.list
[11:42] <Quest-Master> defunkt: Have you gotten Photoshop 7 to work?
[11:42] <ficusplanet> Quest-Master, I use it.
[11:42] <defunkt> yep
[11:42] <confrey> what the correct --device to pass to cdrdao to run it from shell? --device 0,0,0 is not working, neither ATA:0,0,0 neither ATAPI:0,0,0
[11:42] <Riddell> DagaZ: ah, you were saying not asking :)
[11:43] <defunkt> pm me quest
[11:43] <[BTM] gee> jcole that should do it?:)
[11:43] <jcole> Quest-Master: i've been using adobe 7 for almost a year on cxoffice
[11:43] <Quest-Master> I'll PM you too ficusplanet
[11:43] <DagaZ> Riddell: confrey was the one asking ;)
[11:43] <jcole> [BTM] gee: ya, it's a known issue
[11:44] <|trey|> confrey, /dev/hdX (depending on physical location of cdrom)...
[11:44] <|trey|> confrey, probably hdc...
[11:44] <[BTM] gee> oh k jcole tnx man
[11:46] <confrey> DagaZ, |trey|, wow, I didn't think it was so simple...
[11:46] <goonie> can anyone help me with errors I get on boot? hw_random and something to do with failing to load floppy drive module
[11:46] <|trey|> confrey, :)  thank 'ide-cd'  :)
[11:48] <|trey|> goonie, what do the errors say? do you know the module for your floppy drive?
[11:49] <goonie> I do not have a floppy drive.. how to I remove this module from boot?
[11:49] <jcole> [BTM] gee: 'glxinfo' reports direct rendering right?
[11:49] <|trey|> goonie, add the module to /etc/hotplug.d/blacklist
[11:50] <|trey|> goonie, ahh... /etc/hotplug/blacklist ... sorry
[11:50] <[BTM] gee> jcole of course
[11:50] <[BTM] gee> think its what you said before
[11:50] <[BTM] gee> with the link to the quake3
[11:50] <cbkm> Hi, don't suppose someone can answer a quick question for me... What apt source do I need to get teh libasound2-dev package?
[11:51] <confrey> help! I dont' know what's happened, but xmms is not working; it was working yesterday, now, running it form shell, I have this msg : cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:51] <confrey> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!
[11:52] <catdog> cbkm: an apt-cache policy tells me it's in main
[11:52] <|trey|> cbkm, doesn't say... I see the package though... wouldn't make sense for it to not be in main  :/
[11:52] <|trey|> confrey, why do you use XMMS?
[11:53] <|trey|> confrey, *shudder* @ gtk1.2  :(
[11:53] <confrey> I like it, it's all
[11:53] <goonie> trey: I added floppy to my blacklist.. now the other error seems to have something to do with the keyboard since the icelandic layout is not working
[11:53] <|trey|> confrey, beep-media-player or zinf
[11:54] <confrey> |trey|, ok I'll try them, but why my xmms is not working now!
[11:54] <cbkm> catdog/|trey|: oh, whoops, my mistake... :(  - I only uncommented the warty-security lines O:)
[11:54] <cbkm> ...thanks ;)
[11:54] <|trey|> goonie, ahh... 'dpkg-reconfigure base-config', should give you the same question as during install related to that...
[11:54] <catdog> nw :)
[11:54] <|trey|> confrey, who knows.. I don't like that app  :/
[11:55] <|trey|> confrey, I avoid gtk1.2 like the plague...
[11:55] <|trey|> Ugliest toolkit after Motif ever...
[11:55] <goonie> i installed warty on 2 acer laptops and only one of them failed on the icelandic layout.. the other one works fine
[11:56] <|trey|> goonie, why are you saying this? just go reconfigure it...
[11:57] <|trey|> goonie, dpkg-reconfigure debconf first and make it ask "low" priority questions...
[11:57] <olorin>           http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ | Lists: http://lists.ubuntu.com/ | Bugs:
[11:57] <olorin>           http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/ | CDs order before 12th Nov have been shipped, you can still
[11:57] <olorin>           order CDs |  For MP3 etc info: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats |
[11:57] <olorin>           Please use http://paste.plone.org | Yes the actions menu is getting fixed
[11:58] <Quest-Master> jcole and ficusplanet: My serial number won't work when I am trying to set it up, no matter what.
[11:58] <goonie> thx trey, i'll figure this out :)
[11:58] <|trey|> Thing is, I just told him how to fix it  :/


[03:10] <MadRush> who's awake?
[03:11] <MadRush> id to learn a bit about linux on transformer infinity / nvidia tegra3 SoC ...
[03:11] <MadRush> lilstevie: would you happen to be available/
[03:12] <lilstevie> awake yes, available? only kinda
[03:13] <MadRush> what's the current state of linux on a tegra system? are there any insurmountable hurdles to a full distribution taking advantage of the nvidia hardware?
[03:14] <MadRush> ...and if you've got a page to read i'd gladly do that rather than make you type a lot
[03:15] <lilstevie> well that depends, there are a few things which simply do not have a purpose under linux :p
[03:16] <lilstevie> the graphics stuff has been a pretty bumpy ride, but it looks like it will be working fine soon with the nexus 7 demo
[03:19] <MadRush> what few things are you talking about? also can you elaborate on the bumpy ride / nexus 7 demo
[03:21] <lilstevie> well when are you going to use the accelerometer or gyroscope in ubuntu :p
[03:21] <lilstevie> also the magnetometer
[03:22] <lilstevie> those 3 things currently do not work on the tf201 at least, I would expect mostly across the board though, cause they are things that people don't think about
[03:22] <MadRush> dont care about any of those things
[03:22] <lilstevie> as for the bumpy ride, nvidias drivers have been pretty bad
[03:22] <MadRush> they have drivers out for tegra3?
[03:22] <lilstevie> MadRush, see :p as I said "a few things that simply do not have a purpose under linux" :p
[03:22] <lilstevie> yes
[03:23] <lilstevie> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2tGHfmM-TU <-- nexus 7 demo
[03:24] <MadRush> uh who did that, it wasnt cannonical was it?
[03:26] <lilstevie> that was canonical from what I am lead to believe
[03:27] <MadRush> hmm apparently.
[03:29] <lilstevie> when it comes to the infinity I am working towards a single kernel that supports all 3 tegra3 transformers
[03:29] <MadRush> i see
[03:29] <lilstevie> to some degree it is already possible, I just need to look into side effects
[03:29] <MadRush> what exactly are you doing to achieve that?
[03:29] <MadRush> are you patching the kernel or something/
[03:30] <MadRush> and, are HDMI out, speakers, cameras all working?
[03:30] <lilstevie> well the latest source drop from asus has all 3 devices support code
[03:30] <lilstevie> hdmi out <- I don't own a microhdmi cable. speakers <- oh boy are they fun, yes with bugs. cameras <- no
[03:30] <lilstevie> hdmi out should just work
[03:30] <lilstevie> but I honestly don't know
[03:31] <MadRush> well, i have a tf700t ... is there anything i can do to contribute?
[03:31] <lilstevie> sound is either on, or off, no variation
[03:31] <lilstevie> cameras I haven't even looked into at this stage
[03:31] <lilstevie> MadRush, have you done any kernel dev, or do you at least know C
[03:31] <MadRush> hdmi is the important one in my book, so i can use it as a desktop eventually
[03:32] <lilstevie> hdmi would be nice, but it is another thing that I have to buy just to test with, cause I will probably only use it once in the whole time the tf201 is in use
[03:33] <MadRush> ive yet to do kernel hacking but i think nows a good time to start.  im handy with a few languages; over the summer i participated in an undergraduate research program where i attempted to write a javascript web app... NOT an expert but im a good learner
[03:33] <MadRush> ...what i mostly learned was a strong disdain for javascript and it makes me appreciate c/c++ and especially java.
[03:34] <MadRush> and as i continue this project i really wish we had a linux admin because im spending too much time screwing with my debian server and very little time writing javascript / php code.
[03:57] <lilstevie> heh
[03:58] <lilstevie> my issues are that I have been sidetracked with other projects
[03:58] <lilstevie> like wheelie
[04:00] <MadRush> whats wheelie
[04:01] <MadRush> is linux on the tf700t doable right now? if so, do you have a URL (or several) i can look at/
[04:02] <lilstevie> http://androidroot.mobi/t3_nvflash/ <-- this is wheelie. If you have not done it yet (and you haven't updated to the .30 ics update, or further (read jb)) do it
[04:03] <lilstevie> and it might be, but I do not have anything on hand that you could read
[04:05] <MadRush> hmm would it suit me to read about how to do it on a tf201?
[04:06] <lilstevie> not really, cause I haven't written anything up yet, been far too busy
[04:07] <MadRush> aside from wheelie and ubuntu porting to transformers, what keeps you busy?
[04:08] <lilstevie> life?
[04:09] <MadRush> if you dont mind my asking, are you a professional programmer, a student perhaps?
[04:09] <lilstevie> I am a teacher
[04:10] <lilstevie> well student teacher
[04:10] <lilstevie> but I have a lot of assignments
[04:12] <MadRush> computer science or something else?
[04:12] <lilstevie> something else
[11:43] <asiekierka> anyone with a TF101?
[12:11] <lilstevie> asiekierka, maybe
[12:11] <asiekierka> great
[12:12] <asiekierka> because i'm trying to get Ubuntu on my TF101 for the 42nd time...
[12:12] <asiekierka> the funny thing is, when i did it the first time half a year ago, it worked first try
[12:12] <asiekierka> but i think i got it
[12:12] <asiekierka> actually, i'm pretty sure i did
[12:13] <lilstevie> heh
[12:14] <asiekierka> man, is it just the version of OLiFE i found
[12:14] <asiekierka> or is it incredibly buggy?
[12:14] <asiekierka> ext3c doesn't work, had to change to ext3
[12:14] <asiekierka> and now i had to update the ubuntu rootfs as it didn't detect it from the main installer
[12:15] <asiekierka> many many little issues... but oh well
[12:15] <lilstevie> it is extremely buggy :)
[12:15] <asiekierka> ...hang on a second.
[12:15] <asiekierka> *checks README*
[12:15] <asiekierka> "(c) 2011 Steven Barker<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:15] <asiekierka> *facepalms*
[12:15] <lilstevie> however the rootfs shouldn't matter as long as it is named correctly
[12:15] <asiekierka> yeah
[12:15] <asiekierka> it worked for the first five tries
[12:15] <asiekierka> on the sixth i had to put it in separately
[12:15] <lilstevie> heh, I have been meaning to update it
[12:16] <asiekierka> i wish i could get arch linux working
[12:16] <asiekierka> favourite distro
[12:19] <asiekierka> currently I get as far as to "VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown block (0,0)"
[12:19] <asiekierka> and that only happens when i hold volume-up for 1 second
[12:20] <asiekierka> is there any more manual but WORKING way of installing Ubuntu on TF101?
[12:20] <lilstevie> heh
[12:20] <lilstevie> well most people just go dual boot
[12:21] <lilstevie> fwiw the issue is the initramfs is too big
[12:21] <asiekierka> trying that now...
[12:21] <asiekierka> ugh
[12:21] <asiekierka> brb
[12:40] <asiekierka> lilstevie: installed with dualboot, same error :|
[12:42] <lilstevie> asiekierka, with ubuntu as secondary?
[12:42] <lilstevie> (do that as a kernel update
[12:42] <asiekierka> i tried ubuntu as primary
[12:42] <asiekierka> lemme try ubuntu as secondary
[12:42] <asiekierka> also too late
[12:42] <asiekierka> i already did a full one... oh well
[12:42] <asiekierka> i have time
[12:43] <lilstevie> heh
[13:00] <asiekierka> [23157.551042] usb 6-1: device descriptor read/64, error -71
[13:00] <asiekierka> should i be rather seriously worried?
[13:00] <asiekierka> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1294846/
[13:00] <asiekierka> happens when i try to get into APX mode after yet another failed install ._.
[13:01] <asiekierka> this time the battery went low
[13:01] <asiekierka> on rootfs install
[13:01] <lilstevie> probably cause the battery is flat
[14:24] <SoulShadow> man, chroembook looks so good if ubuntu could get ported onto it


[01:40] <nblracer> hey
[01:42] <HedgeMage> hi nblracer
[01:44] <nblracer> i been on and odd off of this channel, for the past month
[01:44] <nblracer> im looking for a way to do roming profiles
[01:45] <nblracer> or better yet have a user auth with other computers on the network then sync files, that meet some requirements date range and size
[01:46] <HedgeMage> not sure off the top of my head: the only lab I have running is all thin clients
[01:46] <nblracer> this is small network, 5 computers some wired some wireless on a G network
[01:47] <nblracer> thin will not work, :(
[01:48]  * HedgeMage nods
[01:48] <nblracer> i was thinking i could maybe write a bash script or even a small program to sync user data
[01:49] <nblracer> but im some what new to linux, so...
[01:49] <HedgeMage> I'm sure you could script something with rsync, just not sure of the particulars without a central file server for home dirs
[01:50] <HedgeMage> (standalone machines sharing a file server are easy)
[01:51] <nblracer> well it would look for the client with the newest user data to sync with, but
[01:51] <nblracer> my problem/consern would be how to remotly auth?
[01:51] <HedgeMage> not sure
[01:52] <nblracer> like where are the keys stored, and what kind of hash is used
[01:52] <nblracer> and would it be secure?
[01:54] <nblracer> do you know where i can get more info or/and help?
[02:06] <HedgeMage> the general #ubuntu chan maybe, it's not an edu-specific question
[02:11] <nblracer> yea that channel is over populated imo
[02:31] <HedgeMage> it happens to good channels that support popular projects
[02:32] <HedgeMage> you get used to it
[02:32] <HedgeMage> nblracer:  In a busy channel, it is customary to preface a comment with the name of the primary person/people you are speaking to, like this, so their clients will make those statements stand out.
[05:50] <lobaman> hi there. i just need some advice. whats the best torrent client for edubuntu?
[05:53] <LaserJock> what version of Edubuntu?
[05:55] <lobaman> 7.10
[05:55] <kgoetz> anyone here familiar with edubuntus bzr doco structure?
[05:55] <lobaman> i have tried ktorrent. but is there any other which is better?
[05:58] <LaserJock> kgoetz: I am
[05:58] <LaserJock> kgoetz: what's up?
[05:58] <LaserJock> lobaman: transmission and deluge are the popular ones
[05:59] <LaserJock> lobaman: I don't know if either are in the the 7.10 repos
[05:59] <LaserJock> but I'm sure you can find a .deb somewhere
[06:02] <kgoetz> LaserJock: i have the checkout of edubuntu-hardy, and i'm wondering what dirs i need to take note of for proof reading. just edubuntu?
[06:03]  * kgoetz notices [x,k]ubuntu stuff in there too
[06:04] <LaserJock> kgoetz: umm, there shouldn't be
[06:04] <LaserJock> kgoetz: where are you getting the branch?
[06:05] <kgoetz> LaserJock: some months ago, but from   parent branch: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-doc/edubuntu-hardy/
[06:06] <kgoetz> when i run 'bzr status' theres lots of 'unknown' dirs (including the [k,x]ubuntu's.
[06:06] <kgoetz> i'm using shared repository for my edu/k/ubuntu doc checkouts (incase thats relevent)
[06:07] <lobaman> thanks LaserJock
[06:08] <LaserJock> kgoetz: yeah, the k,x,ubuntu dirs are not actually in the branch
[06:09]  * kgoetz checks if bzr has a 'kill all unknown files' option
[06:10] <kgoetz> not that i can find.
[06:26] <kgoetz> i just finished rm'ing all the dirs bzr didnt know about, and its much less scary :)
[06:38] <LaserJock> kgoetz: yeah :-)
[06:39] <LaserJock> kgoetz: are you planning on doing some doc work?
[06:40] <kgoetz> LaserJock: i was thinking of helping with proofreading over the next few weeks (until string freeze)
[06:43] <LaserJock> well, nobody has done anything for hardy so it'd be appreciated
[06:43] <pygi> ah,always the handbook problem ...
[06:43] <LaserJock> since we have a totally different installation method we for sure need to do fix that
[06:44] <LaserJock> and of course s/gutsy/hardy/ stuff
[06:44] <kgoetz> i'm time limited, but i'll try and help out... rather then just chat on irc *grin*
[06:45] <kgoetz> should i open a bug about issues with the docs or try and write a patch? i'm looking at the "what is Linux" section atm.
[06:47] <LaserJock> I think opening a bug and attaching a diff would be the easiest
[06:49] <kgoetz> ok
[06:49] <LaserJock> you can send them to me too if you want
[06:50] <LaserJock> or edubuntu-devel or ubuntu-docs or ...
[06:50] <LaserJock> :-)
[06:50] <kgoetz> :)
[06:50] <kgoetz> i'm at at a mates place atm, but when i have time i'll try and work my way through the docs
[06:50] <LaserJock> nixternal and I are the guys taking care of the bzr repo so as long as it gets to one of us it should work
[06:54]  * kgoetz nod
[06:57] <nixternal> oi
[06:58] <kgoetz> hide!
[06:58] <nixternal> hehe
[06:58] <kgoetz> hey mate
[06:58] <nixternal> howdy
[07:37] <kgoetz> the edubuntu handbook looks quite long
[08:37] <kgoetz> blokes, i notice the requirement is 'US english'. is "administrate" a word in US english?
[08:39]  * kgoetz will go crazy if stuff like that is part of en_US
[08:40] <kgoetz> i notice theres 'administer' and 'administrate' in the same paragraph, so i'll asume ..ate is wrong
[09:33] <kgoetz> perhaps i should stop looking for errors. i just realise di have to fix them when i find them :p
[10:00] <jvanrooyen> Hi all, how do I get my changed login theme to show on my terminals?
[10:00] <jvanrooyen> I'm using Gutsy
[10:19] <kgoetz> jvanrooyen: not sure i get your question
[10:26] <jvanrooyen> kgoetz: the edubuntu login window theme? I changed that and its only showing on the server side
[10:27] <jvanrooyen> kgoetz: when I boot up a client it shows the edubuntu login theme instead of the one I installed?
[10:49] <jvanrooyen> kgoetz: did you get my last msg?
[10:55] <kgoetz> jvanrooyen: yeah, sorry, i'm watching a film
[10:55] <kgoetz> i'm not sure how the clients theming works
[10:57] <jvanrooyen> oh k, because it works fone on the serve side, just struggling with the clients
[13:23] <sakhi> kbye
[21:36] <edistar> will the new edubuntu be released in 8.04 too?
[21:41] <johnny> there may not be an edubuntu 8.04
[21:42] <johnny> it will be ubuntu + educational addons or something
[21:42] <johnny> i'm not sure of the mechanics of it tho
[21:43] <nblracer> why?
[21:43] <johnny> because it doesnt need its' own name
[21:43] <johnny> because all it is is ubuntu + some apps and icons/backgrounds and such
[21:44] <johnny> that way it is easier to have the base desktop be whatever you like
[21:44] <johnny> and just install the extra packages
[21:44] <johnny> like xfce,kde, or gnome
[21:55] <edistar> johnny: it would make the project seem smaller
[21:55] <edistar> and all the LTSP bit?
[21:56] <johnny> will be able to be done via ubuntu install i think
[21:56] <edistar> ok
[21:56] <johnny> for every desktop cd i think
[21:56] <johnny> i'm using ltsp on regular ubuntu right now
[21:56] <edistar> johnny: ah.. easy to set up?
[21:56] <johnny> yes
[21:56] <johnny> just apt-get install
[21:56] <johnny> and a tiny bit of tweaking for network setup
[21:57] <johnny> most people are already using dhcp servers, so tweaking is definitey necessary in 99% of cases
[21:58] <edistar> johnny: ok
[21:58] <edistar> johnny: ssh tunneling default?
[21:58] <johnny> yes
[21:58] <edistar> cool
[21:58] <johnny> hardy is coming out soon, it will have many many fixes for ltsp
[21:58] <johnny> and stability :)
[21:58] <edistar> brilliant :)
[21:59] <edistar> we are using edubuntu at school
[21:59] <edistar> I set it up
[21:59] <edistar> but it's slow
[22:00] <johnny> turn off ssh compression :)
[22:00] <johnny> err ssh tunneling..
[22:00] <edistar> johnny: I don't know why it's slow..
[22:00] <johnny> could be hardware related
[22:00] <johnny> or app related
[22:00] <johnny> hardy will also include firefox 3 which should help
[22:00] <edistar> johnny: yeah, I haven't profiled yet
[22:01] <johnny> i deployed that recently
[22:01] <johnny> much nicer
[22:01] <edistar> nice
[22:01] <johnny> hopefully the OOo folks will continue their work too


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  Time to settle down.
[03:16] <IdleOne> CaptainTrek: you don't need to use the !ops trigger in here :)
[03:16] <CaptainTrek> okay...
[03:16] <CaptainTrek> but nobody did anything, so...
[03:16] <CaptainTrek> *shrugs*
[03:16] <IdleOne> well then again maybe you did in this case
[03:16] <IdleOne> heh
[03:17] <tonyyarusso> well, he didn't, but only because maco already had :)
[03:17] <CaptainTrek> *shrugs*
[03:18] <IdleOne> btw, evening
[03:19] <CaptainTrek> same to you, IdleOne
[03:19] <IdleOne> CaptainTrek: if there is nothing else you need to address, there is a rule about not idling in here.
[03:20] <CaptainTrek> yeah i know
[03:20] <CaptainTrek> someone use /remove on me, since /part isnt working on my system
[03:20] <CaptainTrek> nor is right click
[03:20] <IdleOne> lol
[03:20] <IdleOne> alt f4
[03:20] <IdleOne> or was it ctrl+l
[03:21] <CaptainTrek> cant since xchat will just minimize to the notifications bar xD
[03:21] <CaptainTrek> just do /remove plz
[03:21] <IdleOne> tonyyarusso: can you oblige CaptainTrek :)
[03:21] <IdleOne> haha
[03:57] <IdleOne> Can someone please tell ubottu to take her vitamins :/
[03:57] <IdleOne> she is dragging lately
[04:50]  * mneptok chortles
[04:50] <mneptok> "NTFS shits on Ubuntu."
[04:51] <mneptok> IME, NTFS shits on anything remotely considered "valuable data." even in Windows.
[05:40] <Jordan_U> pakete is trolling in #ubuntu
[05:41] <alket> Can you please ban the user "pakete" from #ubuntu channel beacuse it's a bot ?
[05:47] <mneptok> !ops | banlist on #ubuntu is full
[05:48] <mneptok> @login
[05:48] <Flannel> Mmm, lets see if bt wants to work
[05:49]  * mneptok mutters something about molasses in January
[05:49] <Flannel> mneptok: It's May!
[05:50] <mneptok> right. so no excuse.
[05:50] <Flannel> blah
[05:51] <mneptok> Flannel<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:51] <mneptok> Flannel: ^^ yours from the 11th ^^
[05:51] <mneptok> looks like a randomized nick
[05:51] <Flannel> Is that a ban? or a removal?
[05:52] <Flannel> I just removed a forward, especially for a 60 minute pakete mute
[05:52] <mneptok> 2010-05-11T07:18:39 *** Flannel sets mode: +b<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:54] <Flannel> mneptok: Random nick, but he had come back a few times as various nicks
[05:54] <Flannel> the IP is good
[05:57] <mneptok> k
[06:01] <Flannel> I guess we could probably remove the asmodeus and friends ones from December
[06:05] <Flannel> There's eight
[08:15] <Flannel> |crck|?
[08:15] <tsimpson> no idea
[08:15] <Flannel> Looks like that bug again
[08:17] <Flannel> jpds?
[08:17] <dholbach> good morning
[08:17] <jpds> Flannel: Let everyone calm down for a second.
[08:17] <tsimpson> morning dholbach
[08:18] <dholbach> hi tsimpson
[08:37] <jpds> It's interesting how people echo requests in both #ubuntu and -server.
[08:42] <tsimpson> let's see if I can -r
[09:53] <Jordan_U> in #ubuntu: 01:52 < atokad> the statue of liberty is the ugliest french chick ive ever seen
[10:51] <elky> Oh *JOY* the club people are stalking me again.
[11:53] <tsimpson> quick notice, ubottu.com may go down for a while
[11:53] <tsimpson> hopefully not for a little while yet
[12:27] <arand> ubottu is gone/bust (just in case you didn't know)
[12:28] <jussi> arand: yeah, we are working on a fix as we speak
[12:29] <arand> Great, and there she is!
[12:54] <Pici> eww
[12:55] <jussi> bleh
[13:06] <tsimpson> feel free to remove +r (and deop me) when you want, I'm not paying much attention to #u
 probable troll, just looking to cause confusion
[13:55] <ikonia> I'm watching
[13:55] <IdleOne> imo
[14:06] <IdleOne> I have been on irc for 50 years and that makes my questions more important then others. ANSWER ME!!! waaaa waaaaa waaaaa
[14:06]  * IdleOne got up on the wrong side of the couch :/
[14:33] <Pici> augh. People are annoying today.
[14:34] <jpds> Pici: Just today?
[14:36] <jpds> "i have openssh-server installed but there is no sshd in init.d. what's the problem?"
[14:36] <jpds> That's like the third time that question's been asked today.
[14:50] <Pici> We probably should make a plymouth factoid.
[14:51] <Pici> And revise the older splash-related ones.
[15:32] <tsimpson> ubottu.com is moving, you may see errors
[15:32] <Pici> tsimpson: oh?
[15:32] <h00k> well, someone stop it!
[15:32]  * h00k corners ubottu.com
[15:32] <tsimpson> we have a shiny new server
[15:32] <jpds> ......
[15:32] <tsimpson> ...
[15:33] <jpds> tsimpson: She's on to you!
[15:33] <Pici> ....
[15:33] <h00k> !ubuntu.com
[15:34] <tsimpson> I got a db sync from before that :)
[15:49] <tsimpson> see if it works (especially the BT)
[15:49] <tsimpson> it should be noticeably quicker
[15:51] <jpds> tsimpson: rsync: failed to connect to ubottu.com: Connection refused (111)
[15:52] <tsimpson> yeah, I'm setting up rsync now
[15:52] <Pici> ubottu: forget nickfork-#ubuntu-offtopic
[15:59] <IdleOne> Error: No bansite set, please set supybot.plugins.Bantracker.bansite
[16:10] <tsimpson> that's odd
[16:13] <IdleOne> tsimpson: above error is gone now
[16:14] <tsimpson> IdleOne: some config apparently didn't copy over, so I just did it by hand
[16:14] <tsimpson> any other problems, just ping me
[16:14] <IdleOne> sure thing
[16:29] <Pici> maco: Not to my knowledge.
[16:29] <Pici> Thats what the rootirc factoid was for.
[16:30] <maco> okies
[16:39] <ubot3> In ubot3, ktcao said: what is ubuntu?
[17:49] <_pg_> hey guys, I got banned from #ubuntu, I assume by mistake. any help?
[17:49] <_pg_> I haven't even said anything all day. I never have been warned or anything.
[17:49] <Pici> _pg_: It looks like you have been forwarded to #ubuntu-read-topic due to someone who attempted an irc exploit in our channel. Have you read the topic there?
[17:50] <_pg_> Pici: no. sorry
[17:51] <Pici> failed.
[17:52] <IdleOne> ban list is full
[17:54] <tsimpson> _pg_: you seem to have failed the test
[17:58] <Pici> 70 stale exceptions removed.
[19:08] <tsimpson> ^ stable ubottu :)
[19:09] <Pici> :)
[20:39] <jpds> Hmm.
[20:40] <mneptok> that's an awfully short access list
[20:40] <tsimpson> it's a small channel
[20:51] <maco> koanen_t is confusing me
[20:51] <maco> they were trying to send a troll in #ubuntu over to #fedora to get revenge on some fedora folks and i told them off for it
[20:55] <maco> @login
[20:55] <maco> @mark help
[20:55] <maco> oops
[20:55] <maco> ubottu: help mark
[20:55] <txwikinger> A lot of those trolls/trollbots atm seem to come from the same ip
[20:57] <maco> @mark #ubuntu koanen_t tries to redirect trolls in #ubuntu to #fedora to get revenge on one of their ops. was told in #ubuntu to stop a few times and has been warned in PM of more trouble if they do it again
[22:08] <topyli> good work funkyHat
[22:11] <ikonia> I've applied for access to -server
[22:12] <funkyHat> Thanks ⢁)
[22:16] <ikonia> may lose connection for a while, just changing routers
[22:20] <funkyHat> Maybe it would be worth me applying too? I notice there are only 4 people on the ops factoid in there
[22:22] <jordy240> hi i want to complain about being kicked from offtopic
[22:22] <jordy240> the ops are abusing powers
[22:23] <topyli> hi jordy240
[22:23] <jordy240> i tried to start a conversation about how the 3 os' should consolidate efforts and make a super os and i get kicked, called imature and a troll
[22:23] <topyli> you did much more than that
[22:23] <topyli> or less, rather :)
[22:24] <jordy240> please copy and paste a line that you felt deserved a kick
[22:24] <jordy240> i thought offtopic was supposed to be laid back and not so uptight
[22:24] <topyli> no. you were trolling
[22:24] <jordy240> you guys know this is an internet chat room, right?
[22:25] <jordy240> topyli, it's sooo easy to say someone is 'trolling'
[22:25] <jordy240> however that doesn't answer my question
[22:25] <topyli> #ubuntu-offtopic is a core channel for the ubuntu project, not a "chat room"
[22:25] <jordy240> my request rather
[22:25] <jordy240> right it's a chat room, internet relay chat
[22:25] <jordy240> whatever that's not important
[22:25] <funkyHat> jordy240: you were continually pushing your case that we should "just drop linux and use windows" despite people pointing out some of the flaws in your argument
[22:25] <funkyHat> I'd call that trolling
[22:26] <jordy240> please copy and paste
[22:26] <jordy240> specific quotes
[22:26] <topyli> !guidelines > jordy240
[22:26] <topyli> please study that
[22:26] <jordy240> k. done
[22:26] <topyli> no
[22:26] <jordy240> please copy and paste speicific quotes
[22:26] <topyli> no
[22:27] <jordy240> funkyHat,
[22:27] <jordy240> who is in charge here?
[22:27] <jordy240> who is the top op?
[22:28] <topyli> this is the operators channel, nobody's special. you can do "/msg ubottu appeals" if you really think we're being unfair
[22:28] <jordy240>  IRC council?
[22:28] <jordy240> is this a joke?
[22:28] <topyli> no
[22:30] <topyli> if you would like to talk about the ubuntu channels and how to use them, please stay. otherwise, think about it and come back later
[22:30] <jordy240> well my issue has not been resolved
[22:30] <topyli> it has not. let's resolve it
[22:30] <jordy240> or will you just call me a troll?
[22:31] <topyli> read the guidelines. do you understand them?
[22:31] <jordy240> yes
[22:31] <jordy240> says nothing about trollign
[22:31] <topyli> if you use our channels, you follow those guidelines. agreed?
[22:31] <jordy240> trolling
[22:31] <jordy240> agreed
[22:31] <topyli> trolling is not allowed
[22:32] <jordy240> I can't find anything that says that in the guidlines
[22:32] <topyli> take my word for it, we will remove trolls :
[22:32] <jordy240> what?
[22:32] <jordy240> how is this a resolution? 'take my word for it'
[22:33] <jordy240> also I was not trolling, and other people were happily taking part in the discussion
[22:33] <topyli> well, we take care of the comfortable atmosphere of our channels, and we've found out that trolls don't fit it very well
[22:34] <topyli> there is a whole section in the guidelines btw about being annoying
[22:34] <jordy240> you are just contradicting yourself, and not really maiking any sense
[22:34] <jordy240> linking me to guidlines that are seemingly irrelevant to my issue
[22:35] <jordy240> also I was not trolling
[22:35] <topyli> our operators are in fact instructed to ban trolls on sight
[22:35] <jordy240> sure
[22:36] <topyli> if you stop claiming you were not trolling, we can resolve this. you can simply promise to not do it
[22:36] <jordy240> however I wasn't trolling
[22:36] <jordy240> I made a valide point
[22:36] <jordy240> topyli, <funkyHat> He's not asking *nothing* -- just a stupid question
[22:36] <topyli> i have no way to discuss this, i'm sorry
[22:37] <jordy240> topyli, he called my question stupid!!! without ANY provocation!!!!
[22:37] <jordy240> please ban funkyHat
[22:37] <jordy240> he was trolling me
[22:37] <jordy240> topyli, why did you ban me?
[22:38] <jordy240> heeeelllooo any ops here?
[22:38] <jordy240> topyli
[22:38] <topyli> funkyHat is an operator
[22:39] <jordy240> topyli, he was trolling me, no?
[22:39] <topyli> no
[22:39] <jordy240> called my question stupid when I DID make a fair point?
[22:39] <jordy240> can you please unban me?
[22:39] <topyli> you made no point, you were trolling
[22:39] <jordy240> I was trolling, can you please unban me
[22:39] <jordy240> I apologize
[22:40] <jordy240> topyli
[22:40] <topyli> in the future, you won't do it?
[22:40] <jordy240> sure
[22:40] <jordy240> I won't do it
[22:41] <topyli> you are unbanned. you'll be banned again as needed of course, just like everybody else
[22:42] <knome> s/as/if/
[22:44] <topyli> knome, thanks, good correction
[22:45] <topyli> jordy240, if there is nothing else we can help you with, please part this channel. we need to keep it operator-only. thanks
[22:45] <jordy240> just waiting for another op to settle another matter
[22:46] <jordy240> forget it
[22:48] <Mamarok> @login
[22:48] <Mamarok> @btlogin
[22:52] <Mamarok> tsimpson: I have a problem: yesterday I removed a few of my old bans for #kubuntu, but those still shop up in the bantracker
[22:52] <Mamarok> as not removed
[22:53] <ikonia> Mamarok: they where probably removed while ubottu was dead
[22:53] <tsimpson> maybe it happened while ubottu was wobbly
[22:53] <tsimpson> Mamarok: you should be able to "remove" them again
[22:53] <Mamarok> riight, so let's do it again...
[22:57] <tsimpson> are you sure those are bans?
[22:58] <Mamarok> yes, in my banlist I keep in a notepad
[22:59] <tsimpson> they don't look like bans
[22:59] <Mamarok> let me check again...
[22:59] <tsimpson> I see /removes, but no bans
[22:59] <Mamarok> oops, silly me, only one is a leftover ban, I forgot to remove the kicks from my list, sorry


[13:17] <l3on> There is a problem with countdown #1
[13:17] <l3on> someone could take a quick look?
[13:17] <daker> l3on, newz2000 will fix that
[13:18] <l3on> ok
[18:48] <cjohnston> l3on: its the weekend.. it prolly wont happen till monday
[20:53] <newz2000> sadly, not a message was maid on the internal sysadmin channel since Frida afternoon except for my repeated attempts. :-/
[20:54]  * newz2000 is not sure if this should be call to use the emergency support number
[21:13] <cjohnston> hey newz2000
[21:13] <cjohnston> who woke you up?
[21:13] <newz2000> :-) I don't hibernate on the weekends
[21:13] <cjohnston> you just disappear
[21:14] <newz2000> nah, I just block IRC out or work would consume me
[21:14] <cjohnston> lol
[21:14] <newz2000> it's a serious problem when you like your job. It takes effort to not work too much.
[21:15] <cjohnston> yup
[21:15] <cjohnston> and i dont get paid for it :-/
[21:15] <newz2000> yeah, you are hard working
[21:15] <newz2000> thanks for all you do!
[21:16] <cjohnston> ;-)
[21:16] <cjohnston> anything for you
[21:16] <cjohnston> :-P
[21:16] <newz2000> The biz people who work in the office sometimes / often don't get how much of Ubuntu is not at all done by Canonical
[21:16] <cjohnston> ya
[21:17] <newz2000> Saying that,
[21:17] <newz2000> I think I'm going to enjoy what may be the last nice-enough-for-shorts Sunday of the year
[21:17] <newz2000> ;-) ttyl
[21:17] <cjohnston> Its 90*
[21:17] <cjohnston> cya
[21:27] <nhandler> /80/80
[21:29] <cjohnston> /90/90
[23:20] <yjmbo> banner1.jpg on http://www.ubuntu.com/community/countdown seems to be missing ...
[23:23] <yjmbo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+bug/648425 reported :-)
[23:23] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 648425 in ubuntu-website "banner1.jpg from http://www.ubuntu.com/community/countdown is missing (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]