[00:36] <wrst> chibihogoshino it is a might dead today but been too pretty out to be trapped inside
[01:09] <chibihogoshino> lol
[01:09] <chibihogoshino> i dont know what outside it
[01:10] <wrst> ha ha chibihogoshino you should really give it a try its nice
[01:10] <chibihogoshino> to many people are outside
[01:11] <wrst> not if you find the right spots :)
[01:12] <chibihogoshino> spot of outside with no people.. i dont believe it
[01:15] <wrst> you must be in a city chibihogoshino there are spots like that everywhere!
[01:15] <chibihogoshino> lol calling knoxville a city
[01:15] <wrst> that's a city to me
[01:16] <chibihogoshino> hehe
[01:21] <wrst> really
[01:34] <chibihogoshino> http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/imagegallery/image_feature_1892.html
[01:34] <chibihogoshino> before and after photo of sendai japan
[01:37] <wrst> wow chibihogoshino :\
[01:37] <chibihogoshino> at the bottom you can get a full res photo
[01:39] <wrst> yeah that's awful deal
[01:40] <chibihogoshino> yeah
[03:00] <cyberanger> and the plant there has a serious leak
[03:01] <cyberanger> compared to what they're saying
[03:12] <wrst> cyberanger you will be happy to know I now have quassel on my android
[03:12] <wrst> serious radiation leak not good at all
[03:12] <cyberanger> wrst: depends, is it alpha quality
[03:13] <wrst> hmm alpha or pre alpha. using quasseldroid
[03:13] <wrst> but a new Dec crew has been making strides on it
[03:13] <chris4585> wrst, later tonight I'm going to download alpha 3 and install it on a extra computer :D
[03:14] <chris4585> I really want to try unity on something besides virtualbox..
[03:14] <wrst>  I need a tab key
[03:14] <wrst> its pretty good now chrris4585
[03:14] <cyberanger> wrst: yeah, the 1st loop (normally closed) vented steam into the containment chamber, raising the chamber's pressure to double the limits of it's design
[03:15] <cyberanger> so they released some steam outside into the air
[03:15] <cyberanger> but that fails to explain caesium
[03:16] <cyberanger> which could be due to the fuel rods breaking down, so they might have had a meltdown and breach
[03:16] <wrst> oh not good
[03:17] <cyberanger> well, if they weren't detecting caesium, it's just minimal short lived isotopes like nitogen-16, which is ok, short lived
[03:18] <cyberanger> they've detected and failed to explain caesium release
[03:18] <cyberanger> which makes me wonder
[03:19] <cyberanger> at least it wasn't an RBMK-1000 design, like chernobyl
[03:19] <cyberanger> becuase it probally would have blown
[03:19] <wrst> yes
[03:19] <cyberanger> 3MI was a meltdown, and it held
[03:20] <cyberanger> so this might be a small step up
[03:20] <wrst> you know your nuclear reactors cyberanger
[03:21] <chris4585> indeed
[03:21] <cyberanger> ever since I did a paper on it back in High School, it's been an area of study I suppose
[03:23] <wrst> and you aren't terribly far from one yourself
[03:23] <cyberanger> yeah, 11 miles, 19.5km
[03:24] <cyberanger> and I'd be part of the evac plans, via ARES
[03:24] <cyberanger> if something were to happen
[03:24] <wrst> well goodnight everyone
[03:25]  * wrst heads to bed early due to the government clock tinkering
[03:25] <cyberanger> wrst: night
[03:25] <cyberanger> lol
[03:25] <wrst> night cyberanger, chris4585
[03:26] <chris4585> g'night wrst
[03:26] <chris4585> cyberanger, I'm about 15 - 20 miles from a nuclear power plant
[03:29] <cyberanger> chris4585: crystal river?
[03:31] <cyberanger> crystal river energy complex?
[03:35] <chris4585> cyberanger, yep
[03:36] <cyberanger> thought so, other two (out of three) are south of miami
[03:36] <chris4585> its funny because from the local beach, you can see the plant off to the side
[03:36] <chris4585> ah
[03:36] <chris4585> so wait in FL there are only 3 nuclear power plants?
[03:37] <cyberanger> well, sites, 2 reactors at Turkey Point, in Flordia City
[03:38] <cyberanger> one reactor at Crystal River, shared with 4 coal
[03:38] <chris4585> ah
[03:38] <cyberanger> and 2 more reactors at St. Lucie
[03:38] <chris4585> I have no idea where any of those are lol except crystal river
[03:38] <cyberanger> which is in port St. Lucie
[03:39] <cyberanger> Flordia City is in Miami-Dade county, south of Miami
[03:40] <chris4585> ah
[03:41] <cyberanger> and port St. Lucie is actually north of west palm beach by roughly 50 miles
[03:41] <chris4585> we often go to Ft. Lauderdale / Miami for my step dad's family
[03:43] <cyberanger> the plant itself is 45 miles from west palm beach's airport
[03:43] <cyberanger> Flordia City is between Miami and Key Largo, been there myself once then
[03:46] <cyberanger> I wonder if the NRC ever figured out the cause of the containment gap they found (and I suspect caused) when replacing the steam generators in 2009
[03:48] <cyberanger> Crystal River had a kinda unique design, the containment walls allways have rebar, but crystal river also had steel tension wires too, further protection
[03:48] <chris4585> cyberanger, you remember the coal plant accident right after christmas about 3 years ago in roane county?
[03:49] <chris4585> that was pretty crazy.. it was literally 15min drive from my house
[03:49] <cyberanger> but when they cut a hole to replace the steam generators, they cut the tension cable, when the tension left, I think that triggered a shift, creating the small holes
[03:49] <cyberanger> the coal ash spill, not a good day for sure
[03:50] <cyberanger> oh, no, that's too recent
[03:50] <chris4585> yeah that was pretty bad, I've been within 500 ft of ash area before it happened and it was beautiful
[03:50] <cyberanger> I guess that was Dec. 2008
[03:51] <chris4585> around there
[03:51] <chris4585> it was the 26th if I remember right...
[03:51] <chris4585> or 24th
[03:51] <cyberanger> 22nd or earlier
[03:51] <cyberanger> hit the news on the 22nd
[03:51] <chris4585> I knew it was close to there
[03:53] <cyberanger> that's part of our problem
[03:54] <cyberanger> people allways cite nuclear's lack of storage or any way to deal with the waste really
[03:54] <cyberanger> but coal ash is the same way
[03:54] <cyberanger> solar is rare, too small still
[03:54] <cyberanger> geothermal isn't that big here (could be though)
[03:55] <cyberanger> and hydro can't do it all
[03:58] <cyberanger> there is no power without a downside
[03:59] <cyberanger> I'm just glad MTR mining is being stopped
[03:59] <cyberanger> it's progress
[04:03] <chris4585> cyberanger, personally.. as a civilization I believe we are doing pretty shitty considering our intelligence is high enough to choose cleaner technologies, but we choose not to
[04:04] <cyberanger> cleaner isn't clean
[04:04] <cyberanger> I agree, but keep that in mind
[04:05] <cyberanger> I'd goto solar here (well, maybe not here, exactly, too much shade) or setup wind at my folks
[04:06] <cyberanger> the thing is, it's dark at night, my folks have high winds, to the point of bypassing the generators to avoid damage
[04:06] <cyberanger> which means connecting battries to the system
[04:07] <cyberanger> between the construction components, the battries acid levels
[04:07] <cyberanger> and hydro floods areas as a river is dammed up
[04:07] <chris4585> yes wind was what I was thinking about, but off watermill technology I think could also work well..
[04:08] <cyberanger> and damns can burst, it has destroyed wild life has their ecosystem changes overnight
[04:09] <cyberanger> current grid design, current ideas of giant plants, that's gotta stop first
[04:10] <cyberanger> we'd have to switch to a system where operators of the grid could remotely manipulate a MAINS switch, for line repair (doable in theroy with some of the mesh networking tests being done for  smart grid technology)
[04:11] <cyberanger> and every 5 houses in a rual area, ever 15 in a city could generate
[04:12] <chris4585> I like the idea of selling my energy (solar power) to the grid
[04:12] <cyberanger> that wouldn't perfectly offset everything, but we might as well use the hydro we have already, and keep some stations on standby, in case
[04:13] <cyberanger> chris4585: the flaw in that is the hazards to linemen currently, if your generating enough to sell, and don't disconnect from the grid while they're doing repair
[04:13] <cyberanger> they can easily mistake a hot wire for a dead line
[04:14] <cyberanger> thus that remote signal
[04:14] <chris4585> then why not just send out a signal to turn off the line?
[04:15] <cyberanger> and the power needed for that is so low, that could easily be a 12vdc car battery and a 20 watt solar power, set to allways be off grid, power fails, it defaults to disconnecting from the grid
[04:15] <cyberanger> current grid design had the utilities in full control, that's what they did
[04:16] <cyberanger> unfortunately, current design is from the 1950's
[04:17] <chris4585> my point is, we're not cavemen anymore, why are we still stuck in this painfully slow era where politics means everything?  my point from earlier was humanity makes me sad
[04:17] <cyberanger> well, becuase everything is politics, yeah, sad
[04:19] <cyberanger> we're making progress, unfortunately, not at the rate that we wired this country the 1st time
[04:27] <cyberanger> I'd like to get a dual system here, but not sell to the grid
[04:27] <cyberanger> just use as much power off grid as I can, buy from the grid
[04:27] <cyberanger> I'm not on coal power here, hydro and nuclear
[04:28] <cyberanger> so I can see trying not to use the grid, but given some constraints here, the heat and ac, water heater and fridge would probally have to stay on the grid
[04:29] <cyberanger> my computers could be all offgrid
[04:29] <chris4585> cyberanger, what if the solar panels became cheaper?
[04:30] <cyberanger> cheaper to buy, still the problem of apartment lifestyle, and the production of them not being too clean
[04:30] <cyberanger> but when I move, get a house, I see it more likely that I could run everything on solar
[04:30] <cyberanger> but I'd like a dual option
[04:31] <cyberanger> wind and solar perhaps
[04:33] <cyberanger> I dunno if I would sell to the grid (opting to just insure I don't have to buy from it)
[04:38] <cyberanger> if I didn't have access to the grid, say a remote part of montana, or the grid was small (like the alaskan bush, where only the town is connected) I'd have a dual system, wind and solar, on battries, and a diesel generator
[04:38] <cyberanger> insure I could stay running long term
[04:41] <cyberanger> I'd sell to the grid once everyone was running a smart grid system that'd make it safe for a lineman
[06:32] <chibihogoshino> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/yokosonews
[06:52] <chibihogoshino> cyberanger: ^^
[06:52] <cyberanger> lol
[06:53] <cyberanger> saw it 20 minutes ago ;-)
[06:53] <chibihogoshino> where
[06:53] <chibihogoshino> i just got home
[06:54] <cyberanger> (and I think you sent it yesterday too, perhaps, seen mutiple ustream.tv links from mutiple people, relating to this)
[06:54] <cyberanger> well, you pinged me 20 minutes and 22 seconds afterwords
[06:54] <chibihogoshino> this is live tho
[06:55] <chibihogoshino> from japan .. i didnt know if you were watching it or not
[06:55] <cyberanger> true, but it's hit a point where I'm mostly focused on the reactor site north of toyko
[06:55] <cyberanger> just cause japan allways has live news
[06:55] <cyberanger> and I gotta look at the middle east too
[06:56] <cyberanger> libya, iran, iraq
[18:15] <wrst> another exciting day


[08:18] <geser> mdeslaur: Hi, is bug #1004845 interesting for the security team?
[09:33] <doko> cjwatson, graphviz
[09:33] <doko>  - debian/patches/linkage: Add more explicit library linkage to cope with
[09:33] <doko>       'ld --no-copy-dt-needed-entries'.
[09:34] <doko> wondering why this is still needed
[09:37] <diwic> TheMuso, still up?
[09:40] <diwic> Or - for anyone who listens - I'm having the trouble that "dpkg-buildpackage -S" complains about "the diff modifies the following upstream files" and then lists the entiere .bzr directory
[09:41] <diwic> ah wait
[09:41] <tumbleweed> what's the .bzr directory doing in your orig tarball?
[09:41] <cjwatson> doko: I didn't look very hard since the dh_python2 patch is still needed; I'm about to look at the build failure
[09:42] <diwic> tumbleweed, I used "dpkg-buildpackage -S" instead of "bzr builddeb"
[09:42] <diwic> inside a merge-mode branch
[09:42] <tumbleweed> right
[09:42] <diwic> problem solved
[09:42] <cjwatson> dpkg-buildpackage -S -I.bzr would probably have fixed it too
[09:43] <cjwatson> or indeed just -I
[09:43] <cjwatson> DEBUILD_DPKG_BUILDPACKAGE_OPTS="-i -I -uc -us"  in ~/.devscripts, debuild -S
[09:43] <cjwatson> may as well use the available tools :)
[09:44] <doko> cjwatson, thanks. maybe the changelog entry is wrong, and it should be --as-needed
[09:45] <cjwatson> I thought I was fairly careful about writing that entry
[10:13]  * diwic is about to upload to the Ubuntu archive for the first time in his life, feels a little scary :-)
[10:17] <StevenK> diwic: The upload processor does not bite.
[10:17] <StevenK> diwic: Hard, at least.
[10:18] <diwic> StevenK, but the bug reports will if I did something wrong ;-)
[10:18] <diwic> StevenK, but not that many use quantal yet I assume
[10:18] <Laney> most of them are probably in here :-)
[10:19] <diwic> Laney, :-)
[10:19]  * diwic anxiously waiting for the upload processor's reject or accept
[10:21] <diwic> accepted :-)
[10:26] <xnox> diwic: on my laptop, my mic now disappeared
[10:27] <diwic> xnox, please clarify "now" :-)
[10:28]  * xnox wait.... diwic's package is not build yet. Prank fail!
[10:28] <diwic> xnox, haha
[10:31] <Laney> zul: Daviey: Are you aware of the nova-common upgrade failure? There is a typo in nova-common.postinst on line 26.
[10:32] <Laney> /var/lib/dpkg/info/nova-common.postinst: 33: /var/lib/dpkg/info/nova-common.postinst: Syntax error: "fi" unexpected (expecting "then")
[10:33] <Laney> actually even if I fix that it bails trying to parse my config file
[10:33] <Laney> bah humbug
[10:59] <directhex> Laney, nova-common?
[11:00] <directhex> oh, cloud lala
[11:29] <l3on> some core developer here? I need a sru sponsor for bug 921430
[11:38] <zul> Laney: please open up a bug and ill get to it today
[11:44] <mdeslaur> geser: yes, thank
[11:44] <mdeslaur> thanks
[11:50] <Laney> zul: did, bug #1005479
[11:54] <zul> Laney: thanks
[11:54] <Laney> np
[12:17] <Laney> zul: Don't forget the nova-manage half of the bug. The commit I see only fixes the syntax error.
[12:17] <zul> Laney: yeah
[12:20] <Laney> cool, thought you might have missed it due to the Fix Committed. :-)
[12:25] <Daviey> Laney: i was no.. no.. thanks for identifying it
[12:39] <ahasenack> hi guys, could I interest a sponsor in #1004678? :)
[12:59] <Daviey> ahasenack: have you seen the lintian output? http://pb.daviey.com/DhW0/
[13:00] <ahasenack> no, I haven't
[13:00]  * ahasenack checks
[13:26] <ahasenack> Daviey: should I add overrides for the ones that don't apply?
[13:26] <ahasenack> Daviey: or just explain them in the bug?
[13:28] <Daviey> ahasenack: well, it's only guidance really.. i just saw a large volume.. where most or normally easily resolvable.. which ones are not?
[13:29] <geser> ahasenack: which ones do you intend to override?
[13:29] <ahasenack> Daviey: I have to check them all, but for example the one about dh_python isn't, because the rules file checks the ubuntu release and then decides which python system to use
[13:30] <ahasenack> this package builds on lucid, natty, oneiric, precise and quantal
[13:30] <Daviey> ah!
[13:30] <ahasenack> that probably also explains the "ancient standards version"
[13:30] <ahasenack> since we can't (easily) adjust the control file depending on the target release
[13:31] <Daviey> nah, that one can be ignored.. that is Standards: in debian/control.. we don't really follow that.
[13:31] <ahasenack> about the diff, I will have to check, since we build from branches, I guess it's looking for the 12.04.X previous orig file or something
[13:31] <ahasenack> substvar we need
[13:32] <ahasenack> it's the only way to adjust dependencies depending on the target release
[13:32] <ahasenack> (that I know of)
[13:32] <Daviey> Ubuntu policy is wedged at 3.8.2 :)
[13:32] <ahasenack> what is the one for lucid? How do I find that out?
[13:32] <Daviey> ahasenack: what about the patched files? Are they needed?
[13:32] <Daviey> ahasenack: lucid is 3.8.2
[13:33] <Daviey> anyway, that isn't an issue.
[13:33] <ahasenack> ok, I can bump that to 3.8.2 then
[13:33] <ahasenack> about the patched files, I'll have to check
[13:33] <ahasenack> I basically just did a dpkg-buildpackage -S
[13:33] <ahasenack> actually, hm, that didn't generate a diff file here
[13:33] <ahasenack> but a landscape-client_12.05-0ubuntu1.tar.gz
[13:34] <ahasenack> like a native package
[13:34] <ahasenack> what is the base tarball your build used? 12.04.3?
[13:34] <Daviey> ahasenack: bzr bd -S
[13:36] <ahasenack> so, this "Looking for a way to retrieve the upstream tarball"
[13:36] <ahasenack> it looks for a specific "make" target, right? Something like get-upstream-source
[13:36] <ahasenack> which I don't think we have
[13:37] <ahasenack> so it does "Using pristine-tar to reconstruct landscape-client_12.05.orig.tar.gz."
[13:37] <ahasenack> how does that bit work? What is pristine-tar?
[13:37] <ahasenack> sorry if these are basic questions, we can take this elsewhere, or just point me somewhere
[13:38] <geser> ahasenack: for the substvar warning: check if you need ${source:Version} or ${binary:Version} instead of ${Source-Version} which is deprecated (see also http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/lucid/en/man5/deb-substvars.5.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2006/09/msg00230.html)
[13:38] <ahasenack> geser: ah, thanks. I'll see also if those work in lucid, our minimum version
[13:40] <geser> the linked manpage is from lucid, so it should work there too
[13:40] <ahasenack> thanks
[13:40] <Daviey> ahasenack: you really should apply for per package upload for this :)
[13:40] <ahasenack> Daviey: with all these mistakes?
[13:40] <ahasenack> Daviey: and I will, but after our june release
[13:41] <Daviey> ahasenack: hah, there isn't anything significant here.. I only raised it because there were a fair few.  There are many packages in the archive in a worse state.  What matters more is the interest to incrementally improve it, which is what you are doing :)
[13:42] <ahasenack> Daviey: ok, so let me address some
[13:42] <ahasenack> Daviey: I should unsubscribe sponsor while I do this, right?
[13:44] <Daviey> ahasenack: ok.. Yes, unsubscribe.. i'll follow this through.
[13:44] <ahasenack> Daviey: ok, thanks for the review
[13:49]  * apw has just scratch installed a precise system without the 'third party' box ticked and now rhythmbox fails to see mp3s and the button to 'installed the required ...' just fails, clearly not intended behaviour; its looking for a python2.7 id3 muxer, any idea what its called?
[13:50] <Daviey> apw: ubuntu-restricted-extras ?
[13:51] <apw> Daviey, will give it a go, so i know what to report in the bug
[13:52] <Daviey> apw: scrub that, bug 888847
[13:58] <apw> Daviey, gah thats a real sucky user experience indeed, install bad then ugly will install from the button in rhytmbox ... ick
[14:08] <ScottK> xnox: We use version specific build-deps for boost much more than Debian, so it ends up being a bit different.
[14:08] <xnox> ScottK: ok, thanks. good to know.
[14:41]  * xnox open browser window, type into the address bar `apt-cache search package<RET>`, stare at the google results, experience the utter confusion of not seeing terminal output.
[14:42] <geser> did google find anything useful?
[14:51] <tumbleweed> cjwatson: care to merge fonts-tlwg? it being out of date is responsible for at least 2 FTBFS packages
[14:53] <cjwatson> tumbleweed: I think I've tried but it was tediously hard; I'll have another go ...
[14:53] <tumbleweed> yay :/
[14:54] <cjwatson> or maybe that was the indic font cluster
[14:54] <tumbleweed> it's responsible for cjk not building on i386 which creates other tex uninstallability problems
[14:57] <cjwatson> oh, hey, I think this can be a sync actually
[14:57]  * cjwatson test-builds to check
[15:09] <cjwatson> tumbleweed: yep, it was a sync after all - done, thanks for the prod
[15:09] <tumbleweed> thanks
[18:51] <ahasenack> hi, any idea why lintian (invoked by debuild -S) would be complaining about the original-maintainer field?
[18:51] <ahasenack> W: landscape-client source: unknown-field-in-dsc original-maintainer
[18:52] <ahasenack> and it's in fact XSBC-Original-Maintainer in the control file
[18:52] <ahasenack> (no clue what XSBC means, other than maybe a bank in Hong Kong ;)
[18:53] <broder> ahasenack: you can safely ignore that
[18:53] <broder> XSBC- means that the field is an extension ('X') and should be copied to the .dsc ('S' - source), .deb ('B' - binary), and .changes ('C') files
[18:53] <broder> when it gets copied it's without the XSBC- prefix
[18:54] <broder> so the dsc file ends up with "Original-Maintainer"
[18:54] <ahasenack> ok, and lintian is wrong then?
[18:54] <broder> yeah. the version of lintian in quantal shouldn't complain anymore
[18:54] <ahasenack> so a bug was filed already I assume?
[18:55] <ahasenack> or, is unneeded
[18:59] <ahasenack> broder: thanks, I added a lintian override for now
[18:59] <Laney> there's no need to override for that
[19:01] <ahasenack> well, I didn't know about this "bug", and my colleagues who are going to review my branch probably also don't
[19:01] <ahasenack> so I added an override with a comment
[19:01] <ahasenack> better than having this question pop up again in the future when someone new comes along I think
[19:02] <ahasenack> ah, found the bug
[19:02] <ahasenack> #158667
[19:02] <ahasenack> but
[19:02] <ahasenack> that's old
[19:03] <Laney> anyone uploading the package will be used to seeing it
[19:41] <hallyn> hey - seabios until now has been tracked separately in debian and ubuntu.  i'm syncing from debian.  do i use the ubuntu changelog with debian entries with newer entries above that?  Or is that not good enough because older debian entries are not really reflected?
[19:41] <hallyn> i.e. ubuntu version is at 0.6.2-0ubuntu3, debian had jumped from 0.6.1-something to 1.6.3.
[19:42] <hallyn> so i was thinking i would just have the 1.6.3+ entries prepended to the ubuntu changelog, and that's it
[19:42] <geser> hallyn: "sync" like taking the Debian package without any additional Ubuntu delta or are you merging?
[19:44] <hallyn> geser: well we'll see, but so far it looks like a sync will work
[19:45] <geser> if it's a sync then all Ubuntu delta (including the changelog entries) get dropped
[19:45] <hallyn> geser: oh really?  I didn't know that.  cool.  thanks.
[19:46] <geser> for a sync the package gets copied as is from Debian
[19:46] <geser> we merge only the old Ubuntu changelog entries when merging
[19:46] <hallyn> that makes sense.  i'd just never sync'd :)  thanks
[19:49] <hallyn> geser: I'm googling, but not seeing a howto (only for merging).  Do I do a 'dch -i' and say sync from debian, or not even that?  Do I just pull-debian-source; debuild -S; dput ?
[19:50] <geser> hallyn: "syncpackage --force seabios"
[19:51] <hallyn> geser: thanks again
[19:51] <geser> I usually do a test build to check that it builds before syncing
[19:52] <geser> test build in a quantal pbuilder
[19:52] <hallyn> right.
[19:59] <goddard> my program won't build because I think some libraries changed location after my upgrade or something.  How do I keep my development enviornment from breaking?
[20:01] <geser> can you be a little more precise?
[20:05] <goddard> i am using find_package to find the GL header files and other required files
[20:06] <goddard> http://pastebin.com/yG8DWTwc
[20:07] <goddard> it isn't working
[20:07] <goddard> it says I have the package installed but when I do apt-file glu.h or gl.h it finds nothing
[20:08] <goddard> im new to all this stuff so it would be cool to know some tricks so this doesn't happen
[20:08] <goddard> one of the most annoying parts of c/c++ is library linking at least for me especially after an OS upgrade
[20:10] <Daviey> ahasenack: Hey, any progress?
[20:11] <ahasenack> Daviey: finished a branch against our trunk addressing several of those
[20:11] <ahasenack> Daviey: it will need to go through the review process we have
[20:11] <ahasenack> Daviey: I'm a bit confused with native vs non-native packages, our trunk has debian/* in it, so it's a native package in that regard
[20:12] <ahasenack> Daviey: but ubuntu has a diff and an orig.tar.gz, so it's non-native there. And the diff is about debian/changelog, debian/control and some po files
[20:12] <ahasenack> Daviey: I'm thinking about releasing a tarball without the debian/* stuff
[20:13] <ahasenack> Daviey: and in this branch I also made it explicit that our upstream build is native, let's see how that goes (debian/source/format with "3.0 (native)")
[20:14] <ahasenack> just pushed, btw: lp:~ahasenack/landscape-client/client-package-lintian-fixes
[20:19] <Daviey> ahasenack: yeah, a native package shouldn't have a *debian*.tar.gz
[20:19] <ahasenack> Daviey: it wasn't even version 3
[20:19] <Daviey> ahasenack: Okay, i'll take a look in the morning, unless you are in a hurry?
[20:20] <ahasenack> Daviey: oh, no, it's fine, and that's not even the upload proposal yet, it's just to address these issues in our trunk first
[20:20] <ahasenack> Daviey: then I will redo the branch in that bug asking for the upload
[20:22] <Daviey> ok, super.
[21:35] <stgraber> cjwatson: can you let the TB minutes through? (devel-announce)
[21:37] <cjwatson> stgraber: done
[21:41] <stgraber> cjwatson: thanks
[21:55] <sladen> stgraber: +1 for the minutes
[23:41] <RAOF> SpamapS: Doing/done an SRU sweep?


[11:47] <czajkowski> airurando: http://pix.ie/ubuntuie/albums
[11:48] <czajkowski> all under one roof
[11:49] <airurando> czajkowski: excellent :)
[11:50] <czajkowski> :D
[11:51] <airurando> They copied them over as the old links in the reapproval application to your account still work.
[11:51] <czajkowski> nods
[11:51] <czajkowski> yup
[11:51] <airurando> extremely excellent :)
[11:52] <czajkowski> aye they;ve been pretty helpful alright
[11:52] <airurando> they sure have
[11:52] <airurando> excellent service
[11:52] <airurando> above and beyond
[11:52] <airurando> the ubuntuie account looks a lot healthier now
[11:52] <czajkowski> nods
[11:53] <airurando> hopefully we can get all folks to post to that account from now on.
[11:53] <czajkowski> nods
[11:53] <czajkowski> yup
[11:53] <czajkowski> nice to have them in one central location
[11:53] <airurando> definitely
[11:54] <airurando> thanks to you for organising it
[11:54] <czajkowski> np
[11:54] <czajkowski> I want o help as much as possible without editing the wiki so folks dont say I did the work if you get me and whinge if we get re approved saying bias
[12:27] <airurando> czajkowski: sorry popped away for a bit.  I hear what you're saying.
[16:07] <Belserusk>  I ran $ sudo bleachbit       and was returned with          sudo: unable to resolve host My_PC_Name
[16:09] <ebel> oddd
[16:15] <slashtom> you have an entry for MY_PC_Name in /etc/hosts?
[20:49] <airurando> evening ubuntu-ie
[23:19] <czajkowski> howdy


[12:30] <Rinchen> woot
[12:31] <Rinchen> two good things at once
[12:31] <Rinchen> Fridge issues are resolved and the upgrade will go in tomorrow!
[12:31] <Rinchen> and we're done with the LP QA item that delayed the roll-out
[12:33] <beuno> Rinchen, cool!  so 1.1.9 is being rolled out on thursday?
[12:34] <Rinchen> well, I haven't set a new date for LP yet.
[12:34] <Rinchen> We have a backlog of items yet
[12:34] <Rinchen> I'll see how everything looks tomorrow and should be able to set a new release date
[12:35] <beuno> Rinchen, great, sounds like a good day today
[12:36] <Rinchen> well the day was crap but it turned out well :-)
[12:36] <Rinchen> I already have a beer in hand and I'm not done with work yet
[12:36] <beuno> hahah, well, it will end well no matter what then  :p
[12:37] <Rinchen> hehe


[15:01] <mup> Issue operator#156 closed: How to ensure charm apt dependencies <Created by stub42> <Closed by pengale> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/156>
[15:43] <mup> PR operator#822 opened: downgrade breaking-change exception to just a warning <Created by rwcarlsen> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/822>


[17:41] <feurig> Anyone having succes getting jammy to mount nfs3 (ubuntu vs qumulo storage)
[17:45] <SpaceBass> Anyone using Samba4 and SSSD for SSO? I'm trying to get ssh auth with kerberos working. One note, on my 22.04 boxes, sudo net ads keytab create does nothing
[17:56] <sarnold> feurig: udp has been disabled for nfs, maybe double-check your storage supports tcp? https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/jammy-jellyfish-release-notes/24668
[22:45] <feurig> nm
[22:45] <feurig> got it.
[22:45] <feurig> thx


[10:18] <jonzen> ne1 around
[10:19] <jonzen> i need to know where to find server admins at
[19:13] <xubuntu06d> how can i install downloaded app not knowing the password
[21:18] <Omarman> Hi... is there an easy way to update to the latest version of corebird in xubuntu... the version in the repos is 1.6  the latest is 1.7.3
[21:22] <well_laid_lawn> !backports
[21:24] <Omarman> Thanks
[21:26] <krytarik> Try and find some PPA, more likely.
[21:30] <Omarman> Looking around I found I could install a snap.. it has the latest version
[21:30] <Omarman> snap://corebird  seem to be installing right now....
[21:35] <kennyloggins> knome, Quick question - I lost my acessories panel in my menu - how do I get it back to display programs perhaps using menu editor ?
[22:40] <kennyloggins> xangua, ping
[22:41] <xangua> Sup
[22:41] <kennyloggins> What is the xfce default menu called, please ?
[22:41] <xangua> ??
[22:42] <kennyloggins> I mean the mouse panel in the top right ?
[22:42] <kennyloggins> **Left
[22:42] <kennyloggins> is it LibreMenu, or something ?
[22:43] <xangua> Right click the panel, add, search for it?
[22:43] <xangua> I don't remember, haven't used xfce lately
[22:43] <kennyloggins> > xfce4-panel 4.12.1 , right oh cheers.
[22:45] <kennyloggins> I am not able to see accessories in my xfce4-panel, menu anyone halp ?