[08:11] <echylo> found entry in ubuntuguid
[08:12] <floater> BiteMeBill heheh, gotta stay far from that thing :)
[08:13] <BiteMeBill> floater: You read it that fast?  Took me over an hour I was laughing so hard.
[08:13] <Coily> should group read "root:x:0:USERNAME"?
[08:13] <AcidMaX> Coily, yes I believe so, each username would be seperated by commas just like any other group.
[08:14] <floater> 3 pages , wasn't so long
[08:14] <AcidMaX> i dont understand why you are doing it though.
[08:14] <Coily> gotcha
[08:14] <AcidMaX> sudo does essentially the same thing.
[08:14] <floater> yeauuuu, hmm now back to installing things
[08:14] <Coily> wouldnt i have to use sudo though?
[08:14] <BiteMeBill> floater: Yea but can't see when laughing so hard that your crying.
[08:14] <AcidMaX> yes but that is quite simple.
[08:14] <AcidMaX> "sudo su"
[08:14] <AcidMaX> enter your pass and you are root.
[08:15] <BiteMeBill> floater: Maybe it just sounds too familiar to me.  LOL
[08:15] <Suvroc> back
[08:15] <dbt`veritas> I'm trying to install the nvidia drivers. I changed the x86free-4 config file. I go reboot(of course x doesn't work b/c the cfg is changed and i need to install the nvida drivers) but now I can't login to root. My root password doesn't seem to work and I can't change hte files back b/c  Ican't login to root. Any suggestions?
[08:15] <Suvroc> ems.. i still can't get my joypad to work
[08:16] <AcidMaX> dbt`veritas, did you try booting into single user mode?
[08:17] <dbt`veritas> i changed my inittab to runlevel 1
[08:17] <dbt`veritas> no i didn't
[08:17] <dbt`veritas> how do i do that?
[08:18] <dbt`veritas> the emergency boot from grub?
[08:18] <AcidMaX> dbt`veritas, here is something that might help
[08:18] <AcidMaX> http://ubuntuguide.org/#rescuemode
[08:18] <dbt`veritas> awesome, thanks
[08:19] <Pointwood> so, what would you guys recommend instead of rhythmbox?
[08:19] <lucien> Beep !
[08:20] <floater> heyy do I open gnome back from the console with command "gnome" ?
[08:20] <lucien> Beep-media-player, definately ! @ Pointwood .
[08:20] <floater> if I type ctrl-alt-backspace I am in full-console mode
[08:20] <lucien> definitely*
[08:20] <randabis> beep or xmms
[08:20] <BiteMeBill> floater: isn't it startx?
[08:20] <randabis> amarok is decent too
[08:21] <floater> ohh, thanks :P
[08:21] <BiteMeBill> floater: I'm just guessing.
[08:21] <Pointwood> thx
[08:21] <lucien> That was hilarious.
[08:21] <lucien> I actually pressed ctrl-alt-backspace. Why did I do that ?
[08:21] <Coily> apparantly being root still doesnt allow for the creation of files/folders in nautilus
[08:22] <lucien> Yes, it does.
[08:22] <floater> lucien, so how did you come back? :D
[08:22] <floater> startx ?
[08:22] <Coily> then ive done something wrong
[08:22] <lucien> No, it restarted gnome.
[08:22] <randabis> floater, if gdm is running, then it will start back up
[08:22] <Pointwood> I tried Juk, but got no sound from that
[08:22] <lucien> Just logged in.
[08:22] <randabis> it restarted gdm, not gnome
[08:22] <floater> gdm hmm
[08:22] <lucien> Coily: sudo nautilus ?
[08:22] <floater> what's gdm and how can I run it
[08:23] <Coily> whaddya know
[08:23] <randabis> gdm is gnome's display manager. It provides you with a graphical login screen
[08:23] <floater> ok
[08:23] <randabis> if you're using ubuntu you should already haave it running
[08:23] <Coily> is there anyway to not have to use sudo for nautilus?
[08:23] <floater> well I tried ctrl+alt+backspace but it didn't boot back to login screen, I just had the console login
[08:24] <PPC_Guy> hello all. is there a specific channel for the ppc port? Or is this the right one?
[08:24] <randabis> floater, are you running warty or hoary?
[08:24] <floater> ho ary
[08:24] <randabis> that's why
[08:24] <floater> alrighty
[08:24] <randabis> for some reason gdm doesn't start back up in hoary
[08:24] <rapha> Hey, how am I supposed to add/remove network interfaces in the latest Hoary? Where's the button gone?
[08:24] <randabis> you can start it back up manually though
[08:24] <floater> how to run gdm from console
[08:25] <randabis> sudo gdm
[08:25] <floater> i'll try.. brb
[08:26] <BiteMeBill> Everytime I ctrl+Alt+backspace it just reboots gnome to the splash screen.  How did he get it to boot him into just terminal?
[08:27] <randabis> BiteMeBill, it's like that in hoary
[08:27] <BiteMeBill> randabis: Oh ok.
[08:27] <BiteMeBill> Thanks
[08:27] <randabis> warty just restarts gdm
[08:27] <floater> alright... it said gdm already running!
[08:27] <zul> BiteMeBill, alt-fn
[08:27] <randabis> well you could sudo killall gdm
[08:27] <floater> then I typed startx and it booted back to this gnome or windowed or x-windows mode
[08:28] <floater> without going to login screen
[08:28] <floater> I had to login in console first though
[08:28] <floater> well at least works that way... good to know things
[08:28] <Menaherann> hey gys... my laptop doesn't move from the login screen after i input, caN ANYONE HELP WITH THAT ONe?
[08:28] <randabis> CTRL ALT F1-F6 will give you a console also without killing your x session
[08:29] <BiteMeBill> Did lucien try it again?
[08:29] <floater> yeauh.... just needed that "rebooting of gnome" to update some installations so I was curiouz
[08:29] <randabis> dunno
[08:29] <floater> hehe
[08:29] <Lech> I got problem during installation. Instalator does not find my CDROM drivers, I got DVD/CDR combo...
[08:29] <BiteMeBill> LOL
[08:30] <Lech> and i have no drivers for that
[08:30] <Menaherann> no clue here
[08:30] <surrounder> uugmmm
[08:30] <surrounder> where did the xorg.conf go in hoary ? :-/
[08:30] <BiteMeBill> clueless here too
[08:30] <randabis> dunno, you could maybe try using the Array 4 CD instead of the Warty cd
[08:31] <surrounder> or XF86Confi....
[08:31] <randabis> it should be /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:31] <surrounder> hmm it isn't...
[08:31] <john__> i have a java prog i want to install... do i just do "java -jar program.jar" ??
[08:31] <randabis> then you might still be running xfree
[08:31] <john__> this is a fresh ubuntu install
[08:32] <shock> man i love ubuntu!
[08:32] <surrounder> randabis: well...can't find /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 either...
[08:32] <surrounder> but I _am_ in X
[08:32] <randabis> you'll need the java runtime environment
[08:32] <shock> i just earned 50 easy euro by installing ubuntu for someone :D
[08:32] <randabis> that is very strange
[08:32] <Menaherann> ok.... does anybody have any clue of what going on inside this laptoop?
[08:32] <shock> :happymode:
[08:32] <surrounder> lol @ shock
[08:32] <randabis> Menaherann, no :/
[08:32] <surrounder> shock: lucky dude ;)
[08:32] <rapha> shock: I'm still doing it for free here :)
[08:32] <BiteMeBill> shock: you should feel guilty.
[08:33] <Lech> rapha, could you help me?
[08:33] <shock> me too - I do it for friends free of charge
[08:33] <shock> but companies trying to save money by hiring student for this....
[08:33] <john__> thanks
[08:33] <Menaherann> hmm, did you read my problem, though?
[08:33] <shock> I would have done it for free.... deleting windows is such a pleasure
[08:33] <randabis> yes
[08:33] <randabis> your laptop freezes after trying to logon
 <-- try logging in in console?
[08:34] <Menaherann> well the cursor moves vry well it just on top of a blck screen
[08:34] <Menaherann> how????????????????
[08:34] <Coily> well i added myself to root in group, but i still have to sudo su/type my user password to open programs
[08:34] <Xappe> anyone here that uses cvscedega?
[08:34] <BiteMeBill> Menaherann: hold on let me find an artical that was posted to day someone said something about that.
[08:34] <rapha> Lech: Maybe; what is your problem?
[08:34] <shock> just do alt+ctrl+f2 when the login screen is there
[08:34] <Menaherann> thank you biteme bill (funny name)
[08:34] <shock> then login
[08:35] <shock> shutdown gdm
[08:35] <Menaherann> type then shutdown gdm?
[08:35] <shock> jo
[08:35] <shock> no
[08:35] <shock> nonono
[08:35] <Lech> Rapha: at installation Unbuntu does not find my cdrom drive (i got combo DVD/CDR on IDE) i mean it boot CD, but later it writes me that it have no drivers for that
[08:35] <shock> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[08:35] <randabis> you might be having a problem with ACPI
[08:35] <Menaherann> lett's try that shock
[08:36] <rapha> Hmm
[08:36] <mpq> what's a good music player for linux?
[08:36] <Coily> is there a way to avoid having to sudo su/typing user password to use certain apps?
[08:36] <BiteMeBill> Menaherann: scroll down to the tweaking sections and see if this is the same as you.  http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=9650
[08:36] <Shark24> can anybody help me to mout windowsxp partition? i can't reach it . /mnt folder is emty  :(
[08:36] <randabis> that was for Menaherann...in which case you would need to tell grub not to use acpi
[08:36] <Lech> installer asks me for drivers on floppy or to choose manually
[08:36] <rapha> Lech: Sorry, haven't ever had that before. Try speaking to one of the developers directly, or try #debian.
[08:36] <Lech> ok, thanks anyway
[08:36] <randabis> Coily technially yes, but I'm not divulging that information for ethical reasons
[08:36] <Coily> mplayer is one of the best
[08:37] <Xappe> Shark24, have you created the mountpoints then?
[08:37] <bert_> howdy
[08:37] <BiteMeBill> Shark24: http://ubuntuguide.org/#windows  The steps are right there.
[08:37] <bert_> anyone else having problems installing bluefish (hoary)?
[08:37] <Shark24> yes
[08:37] <Menaherann> is prompting me with password
[08:37] <Lech> me Bert
[08:37] <shock> right mena
[08:37] <shock> type your password
[08:37] <albi1> shark24, try at console sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt -o umask=0000
[08:37] <Einzelganger> What is the correct place (on Ubuntu or Debian) to install dll's, different packages do it in different places: /usr/share/dotnet/mono/package or /usr/lib/mono/package or /usr/lib/package ?
[08:37] <randabis> uh
[08:38] <Menaherann> ok...
[08:38] <randabis> you might wanna make it a folder in mnt such as /mnt/winxp
[08:38] <Coily> will someone tell me
[08:38] <Menaherann> now is asking me to login again?
[08:38] <randabis> I make a folder in my home directory and set it as a mount point
[08:39] <randabis> Einzelganger, typically /usr/lib/package
[08:40] <dbt`veritas> AcidMax, thanks for the help...I
[08:40] <dbt`veritas> *Im back in linux
[08:41] <dbt`veritas> Though I don't have the drivers installed...
[08:41] <dbt`veritas> I got class in a few, I'll work on this later....cya all
[08:42] <Menaherann> ok shock what exactly was this?
[08:43] <CyberSnooP> Does anyone have a pointer to a "how to make qt beautiful" doc ?
[08:43] <rubenv> CyberSnooP: face it, QT is but-ugly ;)
[08:43] <rubenv> *ducks*
[08:43] <CarlK> whats the scoop on playing flash files?
[08:43] <CyberSnooP> yep faced that :)
[08:44] <CyberSnooP> but now I would like to see the good side of QT, or a skype / esvn / k3b implementation in gtk :)
 -- the gdm shutdown?
[08:44] <shock> or what?
[08:45] <AcidMaX> dbt`veritas, your welcome.
[08:45] <Menaherann> that and the fact that i have to log in agian mnext?
[08:46] <mestapheles> anyone know if hoary's kernel deep sleeps ibooks G4 wit ati radeon 9200 yet?
[08:48] <mpq> I don't know how to compile
[08:49] <CyberSnooP> apt-get install build-essential  and follow the INSTALL document for whatever you wish to compile
[08:54] <sri> so, I'm still having some issues with hoary and the x cursor
[08:54] <sri> when I do a drag or something I get a box with black and transparent lines
[08:55] <Coily> is myplayer-586 still available for install?
[08:55] <sri> I had to put a jimac cursor in order to get it show arrows anyways
[08:55] <sri> how do I get X to just use the built in defaults and not use any x cursors?
[09:00] <tolstoy> Guys: when you delete your xorg.conf or XFree86-4 config file, how do you get X to regenerate it based on your dpkg-reconfigure settings?
[09:01] <sri> interesting..x11 got updated
[09:01] <sri> perhaps that will fix my problems
[09:02] <bert_> Hi, does anyone know how i can clear my MUINE 'album library' ???
[09:03] <LinuxJones> tolstoy, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (Warty) or xserver-xorg (Hoary)
[09:03] <bert_> oh i've got it already. it was in the faq. sorry for bothering!
[09:05] <ren0> Hello I am having problems with usb sticks
[09:06] <ren0> They are no longer being automagically detected
[09:07] <tatterdemalionpr> hmmm anyone familiar with audacity
[09:07] <albi1> ren0, can you please plug in your memory stick and afterwords open a terminal type dmesg and report the last few lines?
[09:08] <tatterdemalionpr> every time i run it it'll give me > error init the audio layer
[09:09] <tatterdemalionpr> the audio i/o layer, my mistake
[09:10] <ren0> albi1, sda: assuming drive cache: write through
[09:10] <ren0>  /dev/scsi/host1/bus0/target0/lun0: p1
[09:10] <ren0> Attached scsi removable disk sda at scsi1, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
[09:10] <ren0> USB Mass Storage device found at 3
[09:11] <ren0> Hope that wasn't a flood...
[09:12] <ren0> lsusb Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0ea0:6828 Ours Technology, Inc. OTI-6828 Flash Disk
[09:13] <tatterdemalionpr> it all worked before, but then i played with the leveles in the mixer
[09:14] <tatterdemalionpr> i think i broke something =o)
[09:14] <Shambler> does ne1 know why the preview of video files in nautilus isn't working any longer? (newest hoary)
[09:14] <floater> hey, I installed the windows codecs and dvd-capability and now I can open my simpsons dvd from my dvd-drive, but it is lagging quite much and I didn't have anything in subtitles menu... with that totem player.... Should I maybe install that xine-ui or xmms to get it working better.. or fix some of my settings to make totem play it better?
[09:14] <albi1> reno, stay at the terminal ;-) try: sudo mount /dev/sda /mnt/
[09:16] <albi1> ren0, if you look  with nautilus, do you find your files in /mnt ?
[09:17] <albi1> floater, i recommend xine, i use it myself...
[09:17] <dbt`veritas> apt-get intall flashplayer-mozilla doesn't work. it says: E: Couldn't find package flashplayer-mozilla
[09:17] <dbt`veritas> NET SPLIT
[09:18] <dbt`veritas> apt-get intall flashplayer-mozilla doesn't work. it says: E: Couldn't find package flashplayer-mozilla
[09:18] <ren0> albi1, No not there
[09:18] <iapx8088> dbt`veritas, I'm surpried it doesn't say intall unknown action
[09:19] <floater> dbt`veritas: your source.list isn't up to date or wronly updated
[09:19] <albi1> ren0, next try ;-) sudo umount /mnt - is there a error message?
[09:19] <floater> probably
[09:20] <floater> dbt`veritas: do you use hoary or warty ?
[09:22] <Palle> Someone have connected via cable a nokia communicator with multisync ?!?
[09:23] <ren0> umount: /mnt: not mounted
[09:25] <albi1> ren0, it is a little bit of guessing, i know, but we should figure out where the error could be...so let's try another one:
[09:25] <albi1> sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
[09:25] <albi1> ...and please report any output if there is one!
[09:26] <albi1> ;)
[09:27] <moZer> when's the next release due?
[09:28] <ren0> mount: you must specify the filesystem type...fat32 i think
[09:29] <ren0> sudo mount fat32 /dev/sda1 /mnt???
[09:30] <tatterdemalionpr> hello yall
[09:31] <floater> hi yaa
[09:31] <terraces> Hello. I've just upgraded to hoary and my gnome's top/bottom menubars have disappeared. How can I re-add them ?
[09:31] <floater> hey how can I "not-group" similar tabs in the taskbar ?
[09:31] <albi1> ren0, we are getting closer :) sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt
[09:31] <tatterdemalionpr> how might i go about finding what particular deb package contains libmp3lame.so?
[09:32] <tatterdemalionpr> assuming there is one
[09:32] <Bandit> hello boys and girls
[09:33] <[m0rph] > hi
[09:33] <moZer> tatterdemalionpr:  apt-cache search libmp3lame.so
[09:33] <ren0> sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt ...That worked
[09:33] <moZer> but i'd guess it's in "lame" :-)
[09:33] <umarmung> terraces, you have no panels at all?
[09:33] <ren0> How do I make that automagic again?
[09:34] <Xappe> ren0, edit your fstab
[09:34] <tatterdemalionpr> thanks brother
[09:34] <albi1> ren0, Great! You said, they where automagically recognised, but now, not anymore...did you do something special (upgrade, new hardware....)??
[09:35] <ren0> Just usual apt-get update followed by apt-get upgrade
[09:35] <tatterdemalionpr> and if i get no reply?
[09:35] <terraces> umarmung, no, not at all.
[09:35] <ren0> Its the hal thing that does this automagic?
[09:35] <albi1> ren0, the magic lies in the so called hotplug-system, which manages "hotplugable" devices as sticks, mice...
[09:36] <moZer> tatterdemalionpr:  try apt-cache search lame
[09:36] <albi1> ren0, do you have an usb-mouse?
[09:36] <moZer> you might need to add some sort of non-free apt source
[09:36] <moZer> can't help you anymore, don't even run ubuntu
[09:37] <ren0> I just put a second stick in it worked fine!?
[09:37] <umarmung> terraces, is gnome-panel still running?
[09:37] <FAST> is it possible to import thunderbird's email from windows to linux?
[09:37] <CyberSnooP> FAST, yep, you can even share the mailboxes between windows and linux
[09:37] <tatterdemalionpr> ok some stuff came up
[09:38] <tatterdemalionpr> but how do i find out which of them packages contains the correct library
[09:38] <michele> hi, just installed unbuntu on a Thinkpad 600E. Runs ok, but still a few problems. At boot the system tries to mount nfs partitions before starting the network. At least this is my impression. Can anybody confirm?
[09:38] <FAST> do you just copy the  /documents and settings/name/application data/thunderbird folder into linux directory?
[09:38] <albi1> ren0, hmmm strange...
[09:38] <floater> hey, I can't edit my mozpluggerrc in hoary now because ubuntuguide.org's help for warty differs
[09:38] <floater> how should I do it?
[09:38] <tatterdemalionpr> either libmp3lame.so.0.0.0 or libmp3lame.so
[09:38] <CyberSnooP> Well, just create a new profile, copy the old prefs.js and the mailbox directories and search and replace in your prefs.js
[09:38] <albi1> ren0, the second stick was detect automatically?
[09:38] <terraces> umarmung, humm no. got 'command not found', and 'broken package' on install. Is that the package that create menubars ?
[09:38] <umarmung> terraces, yes
[09:39] <terraces> ok. thanx I'll try to install it in a few days
[09:40] <ren0> yes as sdb
[09:40] <albi1> ren0, because if yes it could be that a module was missing, and because of mounting by had it was loaded...
[09:40] <albi1> ...but had my own strange adventures with hotplug already :-|
[09:41] <Coily> what does a woody version mean?
[09:41] <ren0> tried to drag and drop into it. "Error while copying into "/media/sdb". The destination disk is read-only."
[09:42] <albi1> ren0, has the stick a hardware-lock (a small switch on the side) to write-protect it?
[09:42] <Coily> anyone know anything about "woody" versions?
[09:43] <albi1> coily, woody is the codename for the now stable version of woody, which will be replaced by "sarge" soon, hoipefully
[09:43] <albi1> ..of debian of course, sorry
[09:43] <albi1> woody=stable version of debian
[09:44] <ren0> doesn't appear to. I'll have to umount and check both.
[09:44] <Coily> gotcha
[09:44] <Coily> why would synaptic ask me to update to a woody version?
[09:44] <johns_> exit
[09:45] <Coily> of a pkg
[09:45] <johns_> damn wrong window
[09:45] <Coily> im on ubuntu...
[09:46] <albi1> coily, did you install some other packages not in universe or multiverse or so...?
[09:46] <orion_114> hey guys where can I get Ubuntu source code ?
[09:46] <terraces> The -f option on apt-get install doensn't seem to force package install when unmet dependencies. Is there another option to do this ?
[09:47] <Coily> hm ya i guess i should pin my installs?
[09:47] <albi1> apt-get --help |more
[09:47] <ren0> albi1, sdb is automagically being detected. No hardware lock visible.
[09:48] <albi1> coily, maybe ;-) normally, when dpkg requests something it is right, even if one doesn't want it to... ;-)
[09:48] <bubbanga> question when using xmms how do you get it to be stereo instead of mono, i know my soundcard is stereo but it wants to playeveryting in mono :(
[09:48] <ren0> mount: block device /dev/sda1 is write-protected, mounting read-only
[09:49] <albi1> ren0, could it be possible that there is something wrong with the sticks...?
[09:50] <ren0> I am checking in my other laptop..
[09:50] <Coily> ill hope for the best :x
[09:50] <ren0> Plus they work in windows
[09:50] <albi1> ren0, hmmmm....
[09:51] <albi1> *scratching*
[09:52] <albi1> ren0, let's go back to square one: let's umount all sticks: closing all nautilus windows and tkae the terminal
[09:52] <ren0> Just plugged a usb mouse in. works great.
[09:53] <tatterdemalionpr> does locate need to like re cache ever
[09:54] <tatterdemalionpr> or is it doing a new search every time?
[09:54] <tatterdemalionpr> does it have a list file any where that needs to be refreashed
[09:55] <tatterdemalionpr> does anyone even know what im talking about
[09:55] <kent> has any one noticed that some updates in Hoary keeps stop the network? I upgraded just recently and I could not get it to work without a restart :(  Im not sure which package is messing it up though :(
[09:56] <ren0> In both computers i get the message mount: block device /dev/sda1 is write-protected, mounting read-onl
[09:57] <tatterdemalionpr> man computers are stupid!
[09:57] <ds> is the warty live CD supposed to bring up eth0?
[09:57] <apokryphos> argh
[09:58] <Coily> is there a linux plugin for embedded media player?
[09:58] <Bandit> that was a nasty split
[09:58] <shock> hrhr
[10:00] <Bandit> i am running hoary when it reboots now it doesnt not start x by itself anyone know how to set x to start auto
[10:00] <ren0> I am giving up. My girlfreind has distracted me with a glass of fine South African wine. Try again on the weekend.
[10:00] <shock> bandit: dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[10:00] <bubbanga> how do you get xmms to play in stereo i have it currently set to alsa output  and for some reason the volume slider doens't change the volume
[10:01] <shock> should do it
[10:01] <albi1> ren0, nice evening...then
[10:01] <ren0> Thanks albi1
[10:01] <Bandit> shock thankyou
[10:01] <shock> np
[10:03] <arj> i had some problems with user accounts
[10:03] <arj> somebody can help me?
[10:03] <shock> u did?
[10:03] <shock> whats the prob
[10:03] <arj> the problem is that i can't login!
[10:03] <arj> during installtion
[10:03] <arj> the installer asked me
[10:04] <arj> to choose a fullname for a user
[10:04] <arj> then put the username and password
[10:04] <arj> but when i completed installation
[10:04] <arj> and i wrote the username and password
[10:05] <arj> in the login gap
[10:05] <arj> it didn't do login
[10:10] <spiral> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[10:10] <spiral> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[10:11] <spiral> hmmm... is there a problem with the ftps ?
[10:11] <root> can anyone tell me how can I add 1152 and over refresh rates to ubuntu..I know my monitor supports but I can't see them in list
[10:12] <shock> anyone: what was the boot parameter for single user?
[10:12] <johns_> try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[10:12] <TreadingSoftly> Hi folks, i'm trying to get beagle working with gsf-sharp in hoary. However, ./autogen.sh for gsf-sharp throws up a complaint about not having a high enough version of gtk-sharp. I pulled gtk-sharp off the mono cvs. If I make install gtk-sharp will it screw up my system or is that relatively safe? NB the autogen for gtk-sharp says it isn't included various "optional assemblies" e.g. gnome-sharp.dll glade-sharp.dll panelapplet-sharp.dll... etc. Doe
[10:12] <tritium> shock, single
[10:12] <root> thanks
[10:13] <shock> thx
[10:13] <johns_> and @root: are you _really_ on irc on you root account?
[10:13] <root> hahah yea...just going just goin
[10:13] <root> byee
[10:14] <johnnygeargrinde> I have a Dell laptop running Warty, I am having trouble with my touch pad, how can I alter it?
[10:15] <TreadingSoftly> johnnygeargrinde: what sort of trouble?
[10:15] <johnnygeargrinde> i.e. When I slide my finger across the pad it sometimes goes foward in pages and sometime goes back in pages
[10:16] <Coily> is there a defrag app installed with ubuntu
[10:16] <johns_> Coily: no need for it
[10:16] <johnnygeargrinde> I would like to change the sensitivity
[10:16] <johns_> try xset
[10:17] <Coily> whys that
[10:17] <TreadingSoftly> johnnygeargrinde: probably, the sensitivity can be changed with Preferences > Mouse
[10:17] <johnnygeargrinde> thank you
[10:17] <johns_> with that you can set the mouse sensitivity
[10:17] <Coily> er why no need for defrag
[10:17] <TreadingSoftly> johnnygeargrinde: that held true with my Thinkpad T40 anyhow... although I don't know how to configure more advanced touchpad functions
[10:17] <johns_> it's no fat32 coily
[10:18] <johnnygeargrinde> ok I will try it
[10:18] <shock> er
[10:18] <shock> question:
[10:18] <shock> single user mode
[10:18] <Coily> what prevents ext3 from getting fragmented
[10:18] <shock> root password for maintenance?
[10:18] <shock> O_o
[10:18] <shock> any hint?
[10:19] <johns_> Coily: why should a filesystem fragment?
[10:19] <tritium> shock, there is none
[10:19] <TreadingSoftly> shock: I believe you can set the root password by going into a root session with sudo -s -H then running passwd
[10:19] <tritium> ^^^ is correct
[10:19] <TreadingSoftly> shock: (seems to work for me)
[10:19] <shock> i have a root password
[10:19] <Coily> rather what about ext3 prevents frafmentation...
[10:19] <shock> its just that the login by arj wont work
[10:19] <eruin> anyone know who created gartoon?
[10:19] <TreadingSoftly> shock: arj?
[10:20] <bubbanga> can someone please help me with setting up volume in xmms please?
[10:20] <shock> hey in this channel
[10:20] <shock> ;)
[10:20] <shock> he's
[10:20] <darkx> A friend of mine was wondering if the AMD64 version of ubuntu could run 32 bit apps as well?
[10:20] <arj> me
[10:20] <shock> :)
[10:20] <darkx> (his wording not mine ^^)
[10:20] <TreadingSoftly> shock: i see
[10:20] <tritium> shock, you set it up, then
[10:20] <shock> so - any way around the maintenance?
[10:20] <bubbanga> for some reason the gnome slider will not change its volume only if i switch gnomes slider to master mono but in xmms i have it set to pcm what gives
[10:20] <Coily> johns_ rather what about ext3 prevents frafmentation...
[10:20] <jrydberg___> do I have to do anything special to upgrate from 4.1 to Hoary, except altering sources.list and do a dist-upgrade?
[10:20] <TreadingSoftly> shock: i, at least, am still confused on exactly what you're trying to do...
[10:20] <johns_> Coily: it's just smart in the way it allocates blocks 'n stuff
[10:21] <johns_> fat32 is a moron
[10:21] <johns_> ;)
[10:21] <shock> logon to single user to set the new password/user
[10:21] <TreadingSoftly> jyrdberg__: pray?
[10:21] <shock> as he is lacking a lice cd of any sort
[10:21] <TreadingSoftly> jyrdberg__: and it helps if your warty install is relatively fresh and untampered with
[10:21] <tatterdemalionpr> oh yeah!
[10:21] <tatterdemalionpr> it works
[10:22] <tatterdemalionpr> im gunna go celebrate, thanks guys!!
[10:22] <shock> wow - major x upgrades in hoary
[10:22] <shock> :)
[10:22] <jrydberg___> crap, GRUB can't handle my new disk!
[10:22] <TreadingSoftly> shock: do you mean you're trying to create another user account?
[10:22] <tritium> shock, you set a root password but forgot it?
[10:22] <Coily> imagine "_" as a file __________ one file gets deleted __ _______, how can smart allocation prevent that
[10:23] <shock> no! argh! I am not that weird to forget any root password!
[10:23] <tritium> shock, please explain then
[10:23] <shock> not even the one set @ campus 4 years ago :P
[10:23] <TreadingSoftly> shock: no problem, man, but i think we're still a bit confused here
[10:23] <shock> arj has forgotten his password/username he used to install the system
[10:23] <Coily> ubuntuguide.org has some methods
[10:24] <shock> now he's screwed
[10:24] <johns_> Coily: linux caches files before they get written to disk
[10:24] <TreadingSoftly> shock: ah... hmmm...
[10:24] <shock> and since i think he's a guy - being screwed is one of the last things he would want
[10:24] <tritium> shock, have him reboot into single user mode and reset the user's passwd
[10:24] <shock> thats what i was telling him to do
[10:24] <johns_> so when that cache is flushed, ext2 or whatever can figure out the best way to store everything
[10:24] <shock> but single user asks for a root password
[10:24] <keyshawn2> howdy. i have a quick question about nautilus. [yes, i did look in its help files about it]
[10:25] <keyshawn2> how do i configure it so that it DOES NOT open up a new window every time I enter a new folder ?
[10:25] <fraggsta> Here's a question:  Can I install CVSCedega and have WINE (from the ubuntu packages) installed concurrently?
[10:25] <shock> ok - this is so stressfull I'm gonna take my beer out for a walk and a smoke on the balcony
[10:25] <shock> brb
[10:25] <fraggsta> I noticed the wineinstall script for CVSCedega said that I already had a version of WINE installed and that I should remove it first.
[10:25] <tritium> man, if that were the least of my stresses, I'd be a happy man
[10:26] <johns_> keyshawn2: edit>preferences>behaviour
[10:27] <G2> perl or python?
[10:27] <fraggsta> ruby ;)
[10:28] <LinuxJones> G2, Python :)
[10:28] <Xappe> fraggsta, shouldn't cedega be able to run regular programs as well as games?
[10:28] <G2> LinuxJones, Perl!!!
[10:28] <Xappe> installed the cvs yesterday
[10:29] <fraggsta> Xappe, no, there are many programs cedega does not run as well as WINE.  Cedega is good at DirectX and the rest of its code is rather old.  I have several programs that work in WINE, but not Cedega.
[10:29] <roal2000> Hi. i get a couple of MD5Sum mismatches when doing apt-get update under Hoary. Does anyone know about this?
[10:29] <Xappe> fraggsta, ok
[10:29] <Xappe> i only need the gamesupport since there is a linux version of dc++ nowadays
[10:30] <fraggsta> is there?  wow
[10:30] <Xappe> yes, installed it yesterday too...not 100% stable, but it's seems better than valknut...
[10:31] <randabis> roal2000, I'm getting the same md5sum mismatches
[10:31] <Xappe> *it
[10:31] <shock> re
[10:31] <shock> *njam @ beer*
[10:31] <fraggsta> where is it?  the DC++ site has a source link, is that it?
[10:32] <Xappe> fraggsta, w8 i'll fetch the url for you
[10:32] <arj> shock didn't work
[10:32] <Xappe> fraggsta, http://linuxdcpp.berlios.de/articles.php?um=index
[10:32] <Anubis> http://xfce-goodies.berlios.de/images/xfce4-weather-plugin.png
[10:32] <shock> i kno
[10:32] <Xappe> get the source by cvs and compile with scons
[10:32] <shock> :(
[10:32] <shock> enter root password
[10:32] <shock> :/
[10:32] <Anubis> how do I get that on my taskbar?
[10:33] <arj> there is NOT root password
[10:33] <shock> i know
[10:33] <shock> figured that out just after u left :(
[10:33] <shock> crap
[10:33] <tritium> arj, root account is disabled by default
[10:33] <roal2000> randabis: good to know that im not the only one
[10:33] <shock> u shure u dont have an ancient knoppix somewhere??
[10:33] <arj> I read this
[10:34] <arj> but what can i do then?
[10:34] <Xappe> well if you need the root account, just activate it
[10:34] <arj> i don't need a root account
[10:34] <arj> i need a VALID account
[10:34] <roal2000> randabis: has this ever happened to you before?
[10:34] <shock> yes
[10:34] <arj> it seem i've not created account at all
[10:34] <shock> u need the installation account
[10:34] <blah09> has anyone tried using a usb gamepad with linux?
[10:35] <fraggsta> Xappe, hey thanks - that's made my day :)
[10:35] <shock> any clue about if u misstyped the username?
[10:35] <shock> any variations tried?
[10:35] <Xappe> fraggsta: hehe, it made my day yesterday :)
[10:35] <arj> i'm sure
[10:35] <fraggsta> Xappe, for some reason I've never had much luck with dcgui..hopefully this will work better
[10:35] <arj> i've typed it right
[10:35] <Xappe> fraggsta, valknut has a horrible gui
[10:35] <sri> does anybody get this?
[10:36] <sri> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  MD5Sum mismatch
[10:36] <sri> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/source/Sources.gz  MD5Sum mismatch
[10:36] <Bandit> anyone know if some of the repositories are down
[10:36] <sri> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz  MD5Sum mismatch
[10:36] <fraggsta> Xappe, is valknut the QT one?
[10:36] <tritium> sri, yes, just wait a while and try again
[10:36] <sri> tritium: ok.
[10:36] <surrounder> anyone familiar with mpd under ubuntu/debian ?
[10:36] <Xappe> fraggsta, valknut is dcgui-qt
[10:36] <fraggsta> surrounder, yeah
[10:36] <Bandit> thank you tritium
[10:36] <Xappe> fraggsta, linuxdcpp is gtk :)
[10:36] <surrounder> fraggsta: wel...I can connect to my running server, but it won't play, can't find any error messages either, ideas?
[10:37] <tritium> Bandit, :)
[10:37] <fraggsta> surrounder, can you look in /etc/mpd.conf and tell me what audio output plugin it is using?
[10:37] <darkx> hm why does the gnutella-gtk package not install a binary?
[10:38] <darkx> anyone had that problem?
[10:38] <surrounder> fraggsta: nothing there about that, but thanks for pointing out that file, I think I will manage from here :)
[10:38] <fraggsta> surrounder, the errors should be in /var/log/mpd/mpd.log (at least that's what my config file tells me)
[10:39] <Xappe> are there any good studio software for linux (something similar to soundforge or such programs)
[10:39] <tritium> Xappe, have you looked at audacity?
[10:40] <Xappe> tritium, no, but i'll check it out
[10:40] <Xappe> thinking of setting up a studio computer for my band
[10:40] <arj> what is hotplug subsystem?
[10:40] <fraggsta> surrounder, also just try installing mpc and doing "mpc play" - it might give you more helpful errors - the other thing I can tell you is that for some reason when I last tried forcing the audio output to ALSA it wouldn't play anything - also, you need to add the "mpd" user to the "audio" group (/etc/group) for anything to play
[10:41] <floater> hey is there a way to see my running processes in windows-alike window ?
[10:41] <floater> some ctrl+esc or something wasn't it in general in linux or?
[10:41] <tritium> Xappe, this new live CD is based on ubuntu: http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=demudi
[10:42] <unperson> floater: Applications->System Tools->System Monitor
[10:42] <Xappe> tritium, ah, nice
[10:42] <floater> ohh, thx
[10:43] <unperson> floater: No idea if there's a way to use a key sequence to bring it up, but you can put it as an applet in the panel.
[10:44] <surrounder> fraggsta: great, thanks for your help :)
[10:44] <floater> :) it's alright... thanks
[10:44] <fraggsta> surrounder, any luck yet?
[10:44] <arj> what is hotplug subsystem?
[10:44] <arj> it occur 6 fatal error while booting
[10:44] <AcidMaX> anyone install clearlook ?
[10:45] <drwho> im trying to get the various package mirrors to work that are on the ubuntu wiki but am having little luck anyone know of a good repository other then the archive.ubuntu. one for hoary packages?
[10:45] <AcidMaX> I installed clearlook but I am trying to install http://www.crystalgnome.org/gtkclear.htm and not sure the download is just icons, where do they go?
[10:45] <fraggsta> arj, hotplug *should* generate events the OS can understand when you plug in/remove removable devices:  ie USB/firewire/CDs
[10:45] <arj> ok
[10:46] <arj> and what could the cause of these fatal errors?
[10:46] <arj> *could be
[10:46] <lexhider> anyone else having problems with 'apt-get update' w/ hoary?
[10:46] <fraggsta> arj: can you do "sudo grep hotplug /var/log/messages" and tell me what it says?
[10:46] <arj> if i was on ubuntu, maybe
[10:46] <fraggsta> :(
[10:46] <arj> but i can't logon
[10:47] <arj> as i said before
[10:47] <fraggsta> ohshi
[10:47] <fraggsta> could you ssh into it from another machine?
[10:48] <arj> have only one pc
[10:48] <drwho> ubuntu needs a mirror select app like gentoo it would make the repository situation alot easier
[10:48] <arj> :/
[10:48] <cthulfuego> drwho: What, like apt-setup?
[10:49] <lexhider> Packages downloads but then I get: MD5Sum mismatch
[10:49] <mjt> he
[10:49] <arj> if you tell me how can i logon i can try to see and tell you what it says
[10:49] <arj> :/
[10:49] <mjt> i just solved this same prob (MD5Sum) a few hour ago
[10:49] <mjt> fsvo "solved"
[10:50] <Lineman> mjt how??
[10:50] <fraggsta> arj, can you get to the console perhaps?  press ctrl+alt+f1 and hope that you see a black and white logon screen
[10:50] <arj> :)
[10:50] <arj> ok
[10:50] <arj> but if it doesn't accept my username and password?
[10:50] <mjt> Lineman, lexhider: what version of apt do you have right now?
[10:51] <arj> the problem is not the graphical logon or the console
[10:51] <Lineman> not sure how would i tell?
[10:51] <AcidMaX> anyone know how i install http://www.crystalgnome.org/gtkclear.htm ?
[10:51] <arj> the problem is that there is not a user account
[10:51] <mjt> Lineman: dpkg -p apt will tell you (for one0
[10:51] <Anubis> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz: MD5Sum mismatch
[10:51] <lexhider> mjt: 0.6.31
[10:51] <mjt> fun
[10:51] <Lineman> Version: 0.6.32
[10:52] <mjt> in short: *my* problem went away when i upgraded apt from 0.6.30 to 0.6.32 (manually, by d/loading .debs from archive.ubuntu.com and installing them with dpkg)
[10:52] <mjt> but there's nothing really relevant in changelog
[10:53] <stuNNed> are there snapshots of hoary anywhere besides livecd?
[10:54] <mjt> I noticied it (MD5Sum mismatch) yesterday and asked here several times but no answers
[10:54] <apokryphos> stuNNed: All Linux distros look the same ;); mainly KDE/Gnome that effects the look. I can give you mine though, if you want.
[10:54] <Lineman> could the repositories be down?
[10:55] <LBM> i have the same problem
[10:55] <mjt> right now the repository machine is up and running
[10:55] <mjt> (or else we all will be having different probs - like unable to connect etc)
[10:55] <Bandit> you sure :)
[10:56] <apokryphos> all repositories seem fine to me
[10:56] <Bandit> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  MD5Sum mismatch
[10:56] <Bandit> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/source/Sources.gz  MD5Sum mismatch
[10:56] <Bandit> that is from a machine that usually works
[10:56] <Gusto_> Bandit: i get the same
[10:57] <Gusto_> just stopped working
[10:57] <randabis> Yeah it's a hoary-wide problem right now guys
[10:57] <Gusto_> sometime today
[10:57] <Lineman> there are several of us getting the same
[10:57] <randabis> I suggest trying again in a few hours
[10:57] <Gusto_> :-)
[10:57] <Lineman> thank you randabis
[10:57] <TreadingSoftl1> any hoary beagle users here?
[10:57] <cthulfuego> no, i have a cat
[10:58] <randabis> hah
[10:58] <TreadingSoftl1> cthulfuego: but does it find things for you? :)
[10:58] <randabis> I'm still not sure what beagle even is...lol
[10:58] <Bandit> apokryphos we must be checking different ones ;)
[10:58] <TreadingSoftl1> cthulfuego: (and i'm not talking about dead mice)
[10:58] <cthulfuego> TreadingSoftl1: Yep! Mainly live bird and toy mice, though.
[10:59] <TreadingSoftl1> randabis: it's an advanced desktop search program currently in beta for gnome ... kinda like Apple's recently announced Spotlight
[10:59] <randabis> ah
[10:59] <cthulfuego> TreadingSoftl1: Is it apt-get installable?
[10:59] <randabis> I don't have much use for that presently
[10:59] <TreadingSoftl1> cthulfuego: no
[11:00] <Gusto_>  can I use yum in ubuntu?
[11:00] <hybrid> i got an 504 unknown error  when i apt-get dist-upgrade can i still go on?
[11:00] <TreadingSoftl1> cthulfuego: instructions for hoary install of beagle are here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryBeagleInstallHowto ... though I've hit a bit of a snag with one of the extensions :(
[11:01] <cthulfuego> Hmm, snags...
[11:01] <Gusto_> whats beagle?
[11:02] <jdub> Gusto_: www.gnome.org/projects/beagle/
[11:03] <Gusto_> jdub: thanks
[11:03] <cthulfuego> TreadingSoftl1: That all seems just a little bit too much like work ;-)
[11:03] <randabis> Gusto_, why would you want to use yum...
[11:03] <randabis> apt > yum
[11:04] <hybrid> yea it is
[11:04] <Gusto_> I like yum better, dont know why really.
[11:04] <randabis> I don't think anyone has made yum work with debian systems
[11:05] <lexhider> Is there an apt-get flag for ignoring the md5sum, because I'm downloading the Packages, it just reports a mismatch.
[11:05] <randabis> hybrid, I would suggest laying off on any apt-getting for the moment
[11:06] <randabis> there seems to be a big problem going on in hoary's repositories atm
[11:07] <Burn`> yep, somebody knows when its fixed?
[11:07] <wdh> lexhider, same for me..
[11:07] <randabis> just hold off on your updating for now...I'm sure it will be fixed soon
[11:08] <randabis> A lot of upstreaming has been going on today so it's possible there was a mistake somewhere along the way
[11:09] <wdh> and lexhider md5sums arent something you want to ignore imho
[11:10] <cthulfuego> No, coz if they don't match, data in the files has changed.
[11:10] <hybrid> randabis : why]
[11:10] <randabis> why what?
[11:10] <Coily> has anyone managed to get mplayer to work with the downloadwith extension?
[11:10] <hybrid> oo ok
[11:10] <randabis> ah okay
[11:11] <cthulfuego> maybe the 'md5sum' app used to generate the lists was h4xx0r3dz and is now outputting false data.
[11:11] <mjt> ok, so my upgrading apt was just happen right when the md5sum prob went away temporarily, it had nothing to do with the problem
[11:11] <hybrid> well will it mess anything up cuz i already got alot of packages
[11:11] <randabis> lol
[11:11] <rapha> When I have a password which I use for WEP encryption, how do I know what that password is in HEX?
[11:12] <randabis> the packages you already go "should" be okay...I think it would be best to hold off until it it is fixed though
[11:12] <GeneralCody> rapha, convert it to hex
[11:12] <hybrid> ok
[11:12] <hybrid> so just exit out of the terminal?
[11:12] <cthulfuego> hybrid: It probably will. Just don't *install* any of them.
[11:13] <rapha> GeneralCody: Just so, using the ASCII table?
[11:13] <lexhider> I'll try again later, bye.
[11:13] <hybrid> ok thanx
[11:14] <hybrid> ok thank you
[11:14] <jrydberg___> I got an error 18 (Selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by BIOS) from GRUB.  Do you think it would help to make a own partition for /boot and put it first on the disk?
[11:14] <cthulfuego> rapha: Just use a little util to convert. Shall I write one in C?
[11:14] <GeneralCody> rapha, U have your WEP in Decimal, right?
[11:15] <GeneralCody> rapha, then u must use a dec-->HEX converter
[11:16] <rapha> GeneralCody: Well, no. It's a password, like "jimmy123"...
[11:16] <mjt> iwconfig understands both string and hex form
[11:16] <cthulfuego> rapha: http://www.cafuego.net/hex.c
[11:16] <hybrid> i remember this tool in winblows called simple tool kit
[11:16] <GeneralCody> ok. there is plenty of tools to convert that to HEX. Just google it
[11:17] <hybrid> and in it it had a decimal hex binary and a few other converters
[11:17] <cthulfuego> rapha: Compile it with 'make hex', then run it as ./hex password
[11:17] <hybrid> found it at astalavista
[11:17] <cthulfuego> Probably even printf %X at the console works.
[11:18] <mjt> iwconfig ethX key s:jimmy123 should work
[11:18] <mrzero> hi there, i'm having some md5sum problems with the ubuntu archives when i'm apt-get updating .. anone know what to do/are others experiencing the same problem? Worked earlier today
[11:18] <mjt> everyone's having md5sum problem
[11:18] <cthulfuego> mrzero: Yes, stop running updates for now.
[11:18] <mrzero> okey :)
[11:18] <mjt> because md5sum in the repository indeed does not match
[11:19] <cthulfuego> Could someone add that to the topic?
[11:19] <mjt> btw, where you guys store your WEP passwords in ubuntu?
[11:19] <grendel> hello
[11:19] <cthulfuego> mjt: I just pop mine in interfaces and chmod 600 it.
[11:20] <mjt> cthulfuego: with iwconfig?
[11:20] <spiral> hi
[11:20] <spiral> hmmm... is there a problem with archive ?
[11:20] <spiral> "W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)"
[11:20] <mjt> spiral: yes there is ;)
[11:20] <grendel> guys, got a question about Xorg slowness in Hoary
[11:20] <spiral> mjt: so that's normal & not a problem on my computer ?
[11:20] <mpq> I don't know how to install mplayer
[11:20] <cthulfuego> mjt: No, I add "wireless_key eth0 s:MyPwdD" in interfaces
[11:20] <mjt> spiral: just wait, it's a problem in the archive site
[11:21] <spiral> mjt: all right :-)
[11:21] <randabis> spiral, it's a general problem with hoary's repos atm
[11:21] <mpq> I downloaded it but I don't know what to do with it
[11:21] <grendel> I'm running the up to date Hoary on ThinkPad G41 and I'm seeing a weird behavior with the display slowness
[11:21] <kobs> Hello... is it possible to use Hoary KDE packages on a Warty system? Warty KDE packs are a bit old :/
[11:21] <grendel> can anybody give a hand?
[11:21] <spiral> randabis: all right, thanks
[11:21] <cthulfuego> Not without an amputation, sorry
[11:22] <hybrid> lol
[11:22] <mjt> warty have KDE? i didn't know...
[11:22] <kobs> in universe
[11:22] <mjt> ah ok
[11:23] <kobs> so... i guess that's a no :|
[11:23] <grendel> kobs, edit your /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:23] <mjt> well, give it a try kobs, why not?
[11:23] <rapha> cthulfuego: In principle this works, but it doesn't output a 26-character long value
[11:23] <kobs> i guess
[11:23] <grendel> kobs, append 'universe' to your deb line referring to the archive
[11:23] <kobs> yea, i will try that now
[11:23] <grendel> kobs, doesn't matter, do it in synaptic
[11:24] <kobs> just wasnt sure if hoary packages would work in warty
[11:24] <grendel> it all boils down to editing sources.list anyway
[11:24] <kobs> im new to *debian
[11:24] <mjt> kobs: you will have to upgrade some more packages for that to work
[11:24] <jason_> evening folks
[11:24] <kobs> hmm okay, thank you
[11:24] <grendel> so, anyboy in the know of the hoary's Xorg?
[11:24] <mjt> what's so special in the hoary's Xorg?
[11:25] <scoon> anyone here having trouble apt'ing in hoary main today ?
[11:25] <jason_> nothing
[11:25] <grendel> that the i810 driver is acting weird
[11:25] <mjt> scoon: everyone does
[11:25] <grendel> when I switch the desktops, or even alt-tab between windows - SOMETIMES I can see the screen redrawn
[11:25] <scoon> mjt, what is the scoop ?
[11:25] <grendel> like I was running on an i386 machine
[11:25] <randabis> grendel, daniels has been working hard on that driver iirc. There seems to be a lot of problems with it
[11:25] <grendel> and 2 miuntes later, it's instanteneous
[11:25] <kobs> mjt: will apt automatically upgrade those packages for me
[11:25] <grendel> randabis, hm, ok
[11:25] <jason_> scoon:  same issue here
[11:25] <mjt> kobs: yes
[11:26] <kobs> yay
[11:26] <grendel> randabis, I  thought it could have been a HT problem
[11:26] <jason_> scoon: just going to wait a few hours and retry
[11:26] <grendel> it also managed to oops the kernel in drm :)
[11:26] <scoon> jason_, have any idea what is up ?
[11:26] <randabis> hmm
[11:27] <randabis> scoon md5sum errors is what is up :/
[11:27] <grendel> randabis, I'm running self-compiled kernels, and the problem was in intelfb, vesafb works fine
[11:27] <mjt> scoon: apt tells you everything, and md5sums are indeed does not match -- in the repository aka archive.ubuntu.com
[11:27] <randabis> hmm
[11:27] <grendel> but you should see the screen redraw.... :)
[11:27] <grendel> a 3.2Ghz machine and it is slow as mud :)
[11:27] <scoon> mjt, thanks.  I read the err.  I was just curious if anyone new anything more than the OBVIOUS .
[11:28] <mjt> next is to figure out WHY sums does not match in the repository ;)
[11:28] <grendel> randabis, any idea whether the CVS xorg could be better for that driver?
[11:29] <blah09> hey randabis, did your joystick install go flawlessly?
[11:29] <randabis> no clue
[11:29] <rapha> cthulfuego: Okay, we just needed to put "0"s in front of it
[11:29] <rapha> Worked, thanks!"
[11:29] <grendel> ok, thanks anyway
[11:29] <shock> damn... are the ubuntu sources completely bungled for anyone else right now?
[11:29] <jason_> does universe multiverse or restricted have non-free software?
[11:29] <grendel> I'll play with the CVS drivers
[11:29] <grendel> and the intel binary ones
[11:29] <grendel> l8rs
[11:30] <randabis> blah09, it works, if that's what you mean.
[11:30] <blah09> do you have to reboot?
[11:30] <randabis> shock, yes, there are problems
[11:30] <randabis> no
[11:30] <scoon> mjt, the WHY is what i was interested in.  I guess that is in process.
[11:30] <GeneralCody> This is my first night fooling around with ubuntu. Can i find the ATI Radeon drivers in Universe?
[11:31] <mjt> someone with the ops rights please add this damn md5sum thing into the /topic ;)
[11:31] <spiral> GeneralCody: linux-restricted-modules
[11:31] <GeneralCody> oki
[11:31] <spiral> GeneralCody: and xorg-fglrx or xfree86-fglrx or smth like this
[11:34] <blah09> oh you have to plug it in first lol
[11:34] <spiral> blah09: :-)
[11:34] <blah09> i mean for it to create /dev/js0 ;)
[11:35] <blah09> hey mjt, what does mjt stand for if you dont mind me asking
[11:35] <blah09> i know another guy named mjt lol
[11:36] <mjt> i found in spam that there are alot of mjt@something emails ;)
[11:36] <hybrid> anyone have a list of good commands for irssi?
[11:36] <spiral> mjt: nice method :-p
[11:36] <mjt> hybrid: try /help ;)
[11:36] <hybrid> ok thnx
[11:38] <hybrid> mjt  i did /help and /whois mjt in the channel but i got nothing
[11:38] <jason_> anyone kkow if there is an official or unofficial  place to chat in general about the GNU movement?
[11:38] <mjt> blah09: haven't noticied you question.. it's just after my initials
[11:38] <hikaru79> How can I add .ttf fonts to Ubuntu? (For use in OpenOffice, mainly)
[11:39] <hikaru79> jason_, try #gnu
[11:39] <randabis> put them in /home/user/.fonts
[11:39] <hikaru79> =P
[11:39] <cthulfuego> hikaru79: I think you just plonk them in ~/.fonts
[11:39] <mjt> hybrid: try hitting Alt+1 (switching into window #1) -- everything is there.  Alt+number will switch to window #number
[11:39] <hikaru79> Sweet! It's that easy?
[11:39] <randabis> sure
[11:39] <AndyR> lo all
[11:39] <cthulfuego> hikaru79: Well, you could run a remote font server and add them to that if you prefer something harder...
[11:39] <AndyR> ndiswrapper is cool
[11:39] <hybrid> oo ok thnx
[11:40] <blah09> hm
[11:40] <AndyR> got my wusb54g working in a few mins
[11:40] <blah09> anyone use SNES9x?
[11:40] <randabis> installing fonts that way makes them available for your user only though
[11:40] <randabis> gsnes9x yes
[11:40] <hikaru79> randabis, that's fine
[11:40] <Sav> Can someone recomend a ood ftp client? multiple transfers/tabs/etx
[11:40] <randabis> I'm gonna switch back to zsnes when the package is finally updated to 1.400
[11:40] <mpq> I don't know how to compile
[11:41] <hybrid> ./
[11:41] <AndyR> Sav, i use gftp
[11:41] <Sav> AndyR, well me to, im looking for something better
[11:41] <hybrid> mpq : go to the dir you need to be in then type ./name-xxx-version
[11:41] <blah09> i dont know how to start gsnes lol
[11:41] <blah09> and snes9express doesnt work too well
[11:42] <hikaru79> If ~/.fonts doesn't exist, I just create it?
[11:42] <blah09> isnt the command gsnes?
[11:42] <AndyR> Sav, whats wrong with it?
[11:42] <randabis> hikaru79, yes
[11:42] <randabis> remember /home/user/.fonts
[11:42] <randabis> not just /.fonts
[11:42] <hikaru79> Got it :)
[11:42] <Sav> AndyR, cant have more then 1 ftp at a time, cant handla multiple transfers and i cant sent site commands.
[11:43] <mjt> if you aren't afraid of the command line (which is far more productive when you're used to it), try lftp
[11:44] <hikaru79> w00t, it works. Thanks guys.
[11:44] <randabis> np
[11:45] <randabis> blah09, gsnes9x
[11:45] <randabis> err
[11:45] <Sav> mjr, lftp is good, but i'd like a graphcal interface
[11:45] <randabis> hold on
[11:45] <blah09> =/
[11:45] <blah09> i think its broken
[11:45] <blah09> heh
[11:46] <blah09> it puts a link in usr/bin doesnt it?
[11:46] <mjt> Sav: just as i said: if you don't afraid of the command line ;)
[11:46] <mpq> I can't figure out how to change directories in the terminal
[11:46] <randabis> Gsnes9x
[11:47] <randabis> make sure you do Gsnes9x not gsnes9x
[11:47] <blah09> ah got it
[11:47] <wdh> mpq, define 'change'
[11:47] <blah09> thanks randabis
[11:47] <randabis> GSnes9x :p
[11:47] <mpq> I'm trying to figure out how to compile something
[11:47] <randabis> there
[11:47] <mpq> but I don't know how
[11:48] <randabis> rtfw
[11:48] <hybrid> pq It should come with an INSTALL file, but './configure' 'make' 'sudo make install' is what most require.
[11:49] <hybrid> mpq
[11:49] <mpq> huh?
[11:49] <blah09> hey where does snes9x install itself to do you know?
[11:49] <mpq> I don't really understand
[11:50] <hybrid> to compie type ./ in the command line
[11:50] <hybrid> ./configure
[11:50] <mpq> ./MPlayer-1.0pre6a: is a directory
[11:51] <mpq> did I do it wrong?
[11:51] <randabis> you have to cd to that directory
[11:51] <hybrid> mpq : y do you want to compile? just use synaptic
[11:51] <mpq> I think I figured out what I did wrong
[11:51] <hybrid> ok
[11:51] <mpq> I forgot it was case sentitive
[11:52] <randabis> mpq use this guide
[11:52] <randabis> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=94
[11:52] <Lineman> hybrid cause synaptic isnt working at present
[11:52] <hybrid> oo yea
[11:53] <hybrid> srry forgot
[11:53] <Lineman> :)
[11:53] <jrydberg___> so, upgrading to hoary!  i guess it's better to do that from the console rather then from X?
[11:53] <jrydberg___> is there any guide for this?
[11:53] <Xappe> check the wiki and forums for a guide
[11:54] <randabis> jrydberg___, it doesn't matter, but do NOT attempt to do that right now
[11:54] <shingokii> Does anyone know why, after I install nvidia drivers, I can't log out any more?
[11:54] <randabis> the hoary repositories are broken atm
[11:54] <jrydberg___> randabis: why's that
[11:54] <randabis> the hoary repositories are broken atm
[11:54] <Xappe> not for me
[11:55] <Xappe> I had hat md5sum message, but now it's gone
[11:55] <Xappe> *that
[11:55] <hybrid> Xappe : they were on and off to me when i was dist-upgrading
[11:55] <randabis> yeah the md5sum errors seem to be gone for me now too
[11:55] <shingokii> ohhh... I can log out, I just have to wait a while
[11:55] <randabis> I guess it "might" be fixed now
[11:56] <mpq> I want to change what the terminal looks like
[11:56] <randabis> jrydberg___, you "should" be fine now...go ahead and try your upgrade. It doesn't matter if you are in X
[11:56] <hybrid> i am still gonna wait a while
[11:56] <mpq> I want it to be black with white text, like dos
[11:56] <Xappe> i've been dist-upgrading at least three times the last hour without any errors
[11:56] <mpq> is there a way to do this?
[11:56] <randabis> edit your profile
[11:57] <jrydberg___> randabis: how stable is hoary right now?
[11:57] <hybrid> when i mount a cd what is the dir path to it
[11:57] <hybrid> ?
[11:58] <rapha> gnight
[11:58] <_|Imanewbie|_> can anyone give me a hand with sound while playing movies in xine?
[11:58] <mpq> what does sudo mean?
[11:58] <_|Imanewbie|_> mpq: superuserdo
[11:58] <hybrid> it is temp root
[11:59] <randabis> jrydberg___, depends on what you mean by stable
[11:59] <jrydberg___> randabis: will it crash ten times per day?


[00:37] <LinDol> hi all, good morning :)
[15:33] <Mneuro> Hi. I'm using Ubuntu-Gnome 14.04 and everything is great except when I open applications, sometimes they are launched behind all of hte other applications and I have to alt tab to bring them into focus.  Is this an issue with compositing on ubuntu gnome?
[15:44] <nisy> Hi all, I find there are several site of gnome, such as at github,at Launchpad,and gnome has its own bugzilla and repository,so what's the rool of these different site, should I work on github or launchpad ?
[22:46] <dumle29-irssi> Hey there. Currently using irssi through the ctrl alt f1 terminal. How would I go about restarting an un responsive gnome desktop?
[22:46] <dumle29-irssi> I was watching a youtube video in full screen, and it sorta just crapped out on me when I decided to leave fullscreen, and now the background is just the default gnome gray of the login screen.
[22:46] <dumle29-irssi> I have had to restart once before because of that (this is a rather old laptop. First gen intel i3 with the intel HD graphics


[00:00] <fullermd> Mmm.  Dig back into the windows (or mac?) binary installer package thingies and see what they had?
[00:03] <SamB_MacG5> I'm updating the mac installer sources, so the latter is right out
[00:03] <SamB_MacG5> (already done!)
[02:05] <SamB_MacG5> fullermd: well, I've discovered that the installer fails to bundle testtools ;-)
[03:13] <fullermd> Sweet!  No test failures!   ;p
[06:03] <SamB_MacG5> fullermd: crashing in the test harness doesn't really count ;-P
[06:05] <fullermd> That's the sort of detail that needs to be glossed over if we're going to declare success and go to the circus instead.
[06:08] <SamB_MacG5> That won't get me a working & tested installer, though, now will it?
[06:09] <fullermd> Well, no, but there's cotton candy and a contortionist.
[06:09] <fullermd> Which is pretty much the same as dealing with installers, really.
[06:11] <SamB_MacG5> Eh, it really seems to mostly be a matter of selecting the versions of packages that go in, and configuring and building them ...
[06:14] <SamB_MacG5> and waiting for the bzr docs to crawl through pdflatex ...
[06:16] <fullermd> Ah, I have this dream that someday I'll find a documentation toolchain that isn't a pile of misery.
[06:16] <fullermd> I expect it will be delivered by my flying pony any day now.
[06:26] <SamB_MacG5> it's the page numbers that get you
[06:27] <fullermd> Nnooo, I'm pretty sure it's the "whole stupid thing" part   :)
[06:28] <fullermd> But you never know.  There might be some bizarre concatenation of circumstances that causes somebody to actually start maintaining and improving [open]jade some day, for instance.
[06:28] <SamB_MacG5> I mean, I'm pretty sure that's why pdflatex gets rerun so many times on each document, even when nothing has actually changed
[06:28]  * SamB_MacG5 was actually wishing someone would do that too
[06:30] <SamB_MacG5> (maintain jade and friends)
[06:30] <fullermd> Or somebody might dream up an XSLT/XSL-FO implementation that is none of "buggy and worthless", "written in java", "expensive proprietary non-cross-platform", or "multiple of the above".
[06:30] <SamB_MacG5> so libxslt is buggy *and* worthless?
[06:31] <fullermd> Well, I presume so just on GP.  But it doesn't handle the XSL-FO side anyway.
[06:31] <SamB_MacG5> oh, right, FO
[06:32]  * SamB_MacG5 isn't sure what's so great about FO
[06:32] <fullermd> I think it stands for "f$*%ing owful".
[06:33] <fullermd> But how else do you define output into a PDF?
[06:33] <fullermd> I mean, I guess you could write an XSLT sheet that translates into manual Postscript.  There are worse fates than having to do that.  Though I have a little trouble thinking of them.
[06:34] <SamB_MacG5> were there even any halfway decent implementations when the spec was frozen, though?
[06:35] <vila> SamB_MacG5: hmm, testtools for 2.3... It's a shame we didn't track that explicitly, so
[06:35] <vila> i'd guess 0.9.2 or 0.9.4
[06:36] <SamB_MacG5> I freely admit that, as a programming language, TeX seems to rival intercal...
[06:36] <vila> and I'm not sure it has ever been bunbdled
[06:39] <fullermd> Well, that's the flip side; given the work, that gives you great PDF-ish output.  But the choices to get HTML suck.
[06:39] <fullermd> I _have_ considered things like XSLT/DSSSL/programmatic transforms to turn $random_SGML_application into TeX for the PDF side.  But I eventually sobered up.
[06:41] <SamB_MacG5> vila: well, since I'm building my own installer *anyway*, it will just take a bit more work to add that ...
[06:41] <fullermd> I s'pose one plausible conclusion from the state of things would be that nontrivial stuff isn't _meant_ to be documented.
[06:41] <SamB_MacG5> fullermd: how does that differ from what jade does?
[06:42] <fullermd> Largely, that I'd have to write it all, which...  uh...
[06:42] <fullermd> No.  Just, no.
[06:43] <SamB_MacG5> well, I mean, I suppose the actual "massage into TeX" part is hidden...
[06:44] <fullermd> I'm not Don Knuth; I'm not about to put *my* stuff on hole for 30 years, so I can write a peripheral thing I'm not really interested in to support it  ;p
[06:44] <fullermd> s/hole/hold/
[06:44] <SamB_MacG5> I thought it was more like 10 years
[06:45] <fullermd> Well, depends what you count as the end.  We're still only a third (a fourth?) of the way to having Vol IV out...
[06:46] <vila> fullermd: just be patient...
[06:46] <fullermd> vila: Yeah, yeah, patience; how long will that take?
[06:46] <SamB_MacG5> but weren't volumes A through E mostly finalized in a decade?
[06:48] <SamB_MacG5> granted, only fools use Volume E directly rather than using the Type 1 conversion ...
[06:49] <vila> SamB_MacG5: from some random notes: 0.9.8 should be ok with 2.4, so that should give you an upper bound
[06:49] <vila> fullermd: not much longer ;)
[06:50] <SamB_MacG5> vila: I was just going to try 0.9.15, since that's the final release supporting Python 2.4 and 2.5
[06:51] <vila> SamB_MacG5: hmm, let say the relationship between bzr and testtools has been a bumpy road so, 0.9.15 *may* include all the needed fixes, otherwise *some* precise older version will be required :)
[06:52] <vila> SamB_MacG5: thanks for working on this though
[06:53] <vila> SamB_MacG5: and don't forget to make a merge proposal against lp:bzr-mac-installers/2.3 when you succeed
[06:53] <SamB_MacG5> vila: of course
[06:53] <vila> cool, even more thanks then ;)
[07:01]  * SamB_MacG5 -> bed
[08:02] <mgz> morning!
[08:12] <jam> morning mgz
[14:56] <delinquentme> Heyyy! anyone know if there are documented issues with Bzr interacting with Git?
[14:56] <delinquentme> could someone tell me aboot dem =P
[14:57] <jelmer_> delinquentme: how do you mean?
[14:57] <delinquentme> jelmer_, does anyone have both running on their system happily
[14:57] <SamB_Mac_> delinquentme: sure
[14:57] <SamB_Mac_> I thought you meant "is bzr-git perfect"
[14:58] <jelmer_> delinquentme: sure, they can be installed together without problems
[14:58] <delinquentme> ok cool
[14:58] <delinquentme> yeah im usually a git kid but I think I might be doing some VC w bazaar
[14:58] <delinquentme> any recommended " go to " tutorials for the newbie?
[14:59] <jelmer_> delinquentme: http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/latest/en/mini-tutorial/
[15:00] <SamB_Mac_> darnit, I should have thought things through before running ./build.py ...
[15:00] <SamB_Mac_> now I'll have to wait for pdflatex :-(
[15:00] <SamB_Mac_> ... or I could reorder the packages in config.py ...
[15:03]  * SamB_Mac_ puts bzr last
[15:03]  * SamB_Mac_ waits for pyqt to fail to build
[15:06] <delinquentme> O_o;;;
[15:06] <delinquentme> im on ubuntu .. and it doesnt come preinstalled?
[15:08] <jelmer_> delinquentme: apt-get install bzr
[15:08] <delinquentme> yeah sudo apt-get install bzr
[15:13] <SamB_MacG5> delinquentme: why would it come preinstalled?
[15:14] <SamB_MacG5> I mean, unless you chose a "install a bunch of development tools and such" option during installation
[15:14] <delinquentme> OMggg it was sooo easy!!!!!
[15:15] <delinquentme> GNU/Linux: Bazaar is probably in your GNU/Linux distribution already.
[15:15] <delinquentme> now a more complex question
[15:15] <delinquentme> how to add / push to a remote repo via ssh
[15:15] <delinquentme> i guess i can google dis.
[15:17] <SamB_MacG5> delinquentme: "bzr help urlspec" may be useful
[15:43] <delinquentme> some kind of log command?  I added files to the repo ... and now I'd like to confirm that I only added the one file.
[15:44] <delinquentme> @_@
[15:44] <delinquentme> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3682817/can-i-edit-the-message-of-an-older-revision-in-bazaar
[15:45] <delinquentme> I cant change the commit message without crapping on the repo?
[15:46] <mgz> delinquentme: you might find it useful to follow <http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/bzr.2.5/en/tutorials/tutorial.html>
[15:46] <delinquentme> yeah I've actually got it open :D
[15:49] <mgz> on changing commit messages, the important thing to understand is that dvcses let you edit history, but it's socially discouraged on public branches, because everyone needs to agree on the history to share changes
[15:49] <mgz> so, if you've just committed something and made a tyop, you just uncommit, then commit again with the fix
[15:51] <mgz> but rather than fixing an error from several months ago by changing all the history since then, you should generally just accept that history is history (though there are ways to do it with everyone's cooperation if it really matters)
[15:58] <barry> hi folks, any possibility of getting a quick fix to the importer failure for gtimelog?  http://package-import.ubuntu.com/status/gtimelog.html#2012-07-04 19:41:22.610986
[16:00] <barry> jelmer_, jam, james_w`, vila, mgz, or maxb (not to leave out any of the usual suspects :) ^^
[16:00] <maxb> oh, it's one of those
[16:00] <barry> ;)
[16:00] <maxb> let's see what it looks like when branched locally
[16:01] <mgz> maxb is quicker on the draw :)
[16:01]  * maxb glares at someone who has introduced a bad launchpadlib version check in lp:udd
[16:01] <maxb> ImportError: Version of launchpadlib 1.10.2 less than 1.9.0
[16:02] <maxb> oh no it isn't :-)
[16:02] <mgz> hm, that was probably me.
[16:02] <mgz> being lazy and not wanting to split and intify
[16:02] <mgz> I'll fix.
[16:07] <delinquentme> a remote repository is called what?
[16:07] <maxb> barry: So this looks pretty easy to fix, in terms of me knowing exactly what data needs to go into udd's sqlite db to make it accept Martin's revisions and move on, but I don't have a neat tool to do that, so I'll need to construct some manual SQL (not that much, 1 line for natty, oneiric, precise, quantal each) - probably take me half an hour to evade other things I'm busy with and get to it, though
[16:08] <barry> maxb: thanks, that's fine.  it's lunch time here in us/eastern.  i *really* appreciate the fix!
[16:08] <mgz> maxb: that sounds painful, is this not something we can hack into a script?
[16:09] <maxb> sure, but not I'm not good enough with bzrlib to do it before I go out for the evening today
[16:10] <mgz> maxb: obviously do what ever is easiest for you, I'm just aware of the fact I'd be stuck if you weren't handling it so some record of what you needed to do would be grand
[16:11] <maxb> mgz: One-line summary - grab the head revision from each series branch, and insert its tag, revid and testament into the revids table
[16:27] <mgz> maxb: <https://code.launchpad.net/~gz/udd/fix_launchpadlib_version_check/+merge/124250>
[16:30] <maxb> mgz: It looks good to me, other than I have no clue what the behaviour is when you compare a string with an int
[16:30] <maxb> I'd have to test that out before I could offer an opinion
[16:30] <mgz> safe but not useful in python 2
[16:30] <mgz> and udd won't be python3ing any time soon.
[16:31] <mgz> I think any str is less than any int in Python 2, which is actually about what we want here
[16:32] <mgz> so 1.0.0-beta < 1.0.0 if launchpadlib were insane enough to do that.
[16:32] <mgz> (as "0-beta" < 0)
[16:33] <maxb> heh
[16:33] <maxb> In that case, MP gets my vote, though I'm not in range of a decent browser to enter it in at the moment
[16:34] <SamB_MacG5> why am I not surprised that easy_install is responsible for breaking my build?
[16:34] <mgz> ...didn't you approve an mp from a bus in the past? have you lost your fancy phone? :P
[16:35] <mgz> SamB_MacG5: that'll learn ya
[16:35]  * SamB_MacG5 really wishes there was a Python option to trace all sys.path changes
[16:37] <SamB_MacG5> anyway, I commented out the bogus .pth line and it seems to be building now ... so maybe I'll be able to test an installer then ;-)
[16:38] <SamB_MacG5> (It was sticking /Library/Python/2.5/site-packages before the stuff from PYTHONPATH)
[16:38] <mgz> you should perhaps wish for the death of .pth files instead
[16:39] <SamB_MacG5> this one was easy_install's creation, though!
[17:28] <maxb> barry: Import completed.
[17:28] <barry> maxb: thanks!
[21:06]  * SamB_MacG5 wonders why the launchpadlib build didn't return nonzero, since it clearly failed ...
[21:16] <jelmer> hmm
[21:32] <SamB_MacG5> huh, this installer project seems to have stale version numbers in it ...
[22:01]  * SamB_MacG5 grumbles about there not being a standard distutils target for running tests


[03:57] <Hawk_> like to try out the newer version of mir in ubuntu touch
[03:57] <Hawk_> can I just installed related debs?
[03:57] <Hawk_> such as https://launchpad.net/~mir-team/+archive/ubuntu/staging/+build/7842048
[03:58] <Hawk_> doing a port of sony xperia L
[03:58] <Hawk_> there is some opengl error. icons are missing
[03:58] <Hawk_> wily seem to be packaged with mir 0.14?
[04:03] <duflu> Hawk_: wily images with Mir 0.15 do exist. They are called the 'devel-proposed' channel
[04:04] <duflu> Technically mixing debs with the touch images is unsupported and can break things. Although we rely on such hacks for testing things
[04:04] <Hawk_> just want to test out
[04:04] <duflu> Yeah, we all install debs, so that's fine. Just don't expect your debs to still be correct after over-the-air updates
[04:05] <Hawk_> :(
[04:05] <Hawk_> wont have over the air updates
[04:05] <Hawk_> this is a xperia L porting
[04:06] <Hawk_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/
[04:06] <Hawk_> is this the image for the devel-proposed branch?
[04:06] <duflu> Hawk_: No problem then. Also if you run out of space:   http://askubuntu.com/a/660886/439189
[04:07] <Hawk_> thanks for the head up on the space. yeah 2GB is running tight it seem
[04:08] <duflu> Hawk_: To get the latest, you should ideally put the phone in fastboot mode. Then:   ubuntu-device-flash touch --bootstrap --developer-mode --channel=devel-proposed
[04:08] <Hawk_> probably wont need 6GB though
[04:08] <duflu> Hawk_: It's shared space (thanks to sparse filesystems). It won't use the space until you actually use the space
[04:08] <Hawk_> I dont have the luxury of ubuntu-device-flash
[04:08] <duflu> Yeah fair point
[04:09] <Hawk_> i am trying to do a porting
[04:09] <Hawk_> fixing opengl issue is out of my league
[04:10] <Hawk_> just trying out any option that might help with the issue
[04:10] <duflu> Hawk_: Actually you probably won't ever need to do OpenGL. It's just all operating system hacking
[04:10] <Hawk_> guess not. thats the reason I would like to try newer version of mir
[04:11] <Hawk_> CM kernel for xperia L totally killed the gralloc hal
[04:11] <Hawk_> causing reboot
[04:12] <Hawk_> AOSP kernel seem to work on most stuff
[04:14] <Hawk_> icons are not showing on dash and app scope
[04:14] <Hawk_> QOpenGLShader::link: "--From Vertex Shader: Error: Symbol textured defined with different precision in vertex and fragment shaders.
[04:15] <Hawk_> unity log have opengl errors
[06:11] <duflu> Hawk_: Sounds like a bug in the latest Unity8. Or a package mismatch. Either way, it's not really a device specific failure
[06:12] <duflu> Sometimes on the bleeding edge, you will bleed a bit
[06:19] <Hawk_> i got the same error for vivid and wily image
[06:19] <Hawk_> i am using the current image in both build
[06:20] <Hawk_> unfortunately, its not affecting the official buid so it might be be noticed or have patch available :(
[06:29] <duflu> Hawk_: The current wily *.img files are unfortunately not being well tested right now. The team is focusing on delivering for vivid-based devices for the moment
[06:30] <duflu> Although vivid should work
[06:30] <Hawk_> i was using vivid all the while
[06:30] <Hawk_> switch to wily to check if issue still exist
[06:30] <duflu> Hawk_: Yeah, let me find where that error is
[06:30] <Hawk_> duflu, need any log from my end?
[06:31] <duflu> Hawk_: Was there anything other than that link message?
[06:31] <Hawk_> there are many different precision in vertex and fragment shaders
[06:31] <Hawk_> I am listing one of those
[06:32] <Hawk_> dont have the device with me atm
[06:33] <Hawk_> in any case, i have never gotten the icons since my port
[06:33] <Hawk_> just for the record
[06:34] <Hawk_> so the opengl error and the missing icons might not be related?
[06:40] <duflu> Hawk_: Actually the toolkit (including icon display) is heavily dependent on OpenGL extensions and sensitive to platform changes
[06:40] <duflu> More than you'd think
[06:41] <duflu> Hawk_: Can you please document the issue here so the relevant people will see it?... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+filebug
[06:42] <duflu> Heh.
[06:42]  * duflu waives to Saviq on that note
[06:42] <duflu> waves
[06:45] <Hawk_> u think its an issue worth logging?
[06:45] <Hawk_> and not due to porting?
[06:48] <duflu> Hawk_: Doesn't matter if it's a mistake of your own making or ours. Logging a bug is a nice formal way to figure out which is true
[06:48] <Hawk_> ok, will do it later when i have the device with me.
[07:00] <Saviq> o/ duflu