[00:01] <Seeker`> completely OT, but this is amazing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YS0vGq0QsE
[06:18] <mapppps> Hi all
[07:05] <MooDoo> howdy all
[07:18] <DJones> Morning
[07:19] <DJones> Hmmh, is playing minecraft for 35 hours + really worth an entry as a guiness world record and even a news report on the bbc technology news page
[07:39] <zmoylan-pi> maybe if you die in an internet café in korea immediately afterwards?
[07:39] <diplo> Morning, and no DJones :)
[07:40] <zmoylan-pi> i think my longest game session was about 15 hours in 80s playing tau ceti
[07:41] <JohnHunt> gosh
[07:41] <zmoylan-pi> i wanted to play the game start to finnish in 1 session
[07:41] <JohnHunt> I've forgotten our new co-workers name
[07:41] <JohnHunt> carl
[07:41] <JohnHunt> phew
[07:42] <zmoylan-pi> give him a t-shirt or base ball cap with carl on it in a qr code :-P
[07:42] <JohnHunt> qr code lol
[08:16] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:01] <selinuxium> Hi all o/
[09:09] <MooDoo> howdy selinuxium
[09:19] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Tuesday, and happy Ada Lovelace Day! 😃
[09:19] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:26] <davmor2> JamesTait: the most loosely tied in song containing the words love and lace that I can think of :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofLasLNVQ7w
[09:34] <JohnHunt> much emoji
[09:49] <Myrtti> I bought some Taylors decaffinated coffee the other day so I could have coffee in the evening without ruining my sleep. Turns out it's actually quite nice! WHODATHUNKIT
[09:50] <selinuxium> 'lo MooDoo  :)
[09:53] <JamesTait> davmor2, I'll let you off with that one.
[09:57] <selinuxium> Any one here played with juju?
[10:03] <JohnHunt> Myrtti: with the decaf stuff as long as you use more of it it is ok
[10:52] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:52] <MooDoo> howdy bigcalm
[11:03] <bigcalm> o/
[15:35] <Azelphur> Got to the bottom of my FedEx customs shenanigans
[15:35] <daftykins> for them thar displays again?
[15:35] <Azelphur> yup
[15:36] <daftykins> oh they holding up the shipment now?
[15:36] <Azelphur> they are definitely trying to play me, I got the commodity code they chose for my monitors, https://www.gov.uk/trade-tariff/commodities/8528498000 ...
[15:36] <Azelphur> yes they are, and they are trying to charge me 14% because they chose ^ as my commodity code
[15:36] <daftykins> CRTs!
[15:37] <zmoylan-pi> they hate you because you ordred crts :-)
[15:37] <Azelphur> I didn't order CRTs, they are LED monitors
[15:37] <diddledan> seems lcd aren't subject: https://www.gov.uk/trade-tariff/commodities/8528593100
[15:37] <zmoylan-pi> they hate you because you *didn't* ordr crts then :-)
[15:38] <diddledan> I guess that's because of environmental concerns?
[15:38] <Azelphur> diddledan: indeed they aren't, neither are leds, which is what these monitors are
[15:38] <daftykins> well, LED backlit LCDs
[15:38] <diddledan> led screens are lcd
[15:38] <daftykins> apart from OLED, they are no more LED than virgin media are providing fiber tubes ;)
[15:39]  * Azelphur shrugs
[15:39] <Azelphur> I told them to use this code, https://www.gov.uk/trade-tariff/commodities/8528593900
[15:40] <daftykins> looks good
[15:41] <diddledan> I think my one would be more appropriate
[15:42] <diddledan> but seems there's not much difference with the two
[15:44] <Azelphur> yea not a whole lot of difference
[15:46] <diddledan> at least if they decide it's an incorrect filing you can get them to change it to the alternative which means your duty goes from 0% to 0% :-p
[15:46] <Azelphur> diddledan: yea, mainly trying to drop the 14% on CRTs
[15:47] <diddledan> haha, lance henrikson is in a new film called "harbinger down" where he uses his catchphrase from jaws slightly altered to "we're gonna need a bigger bucket"
[15:48] <zmoylan-pi> he wasn't in jaws
[15:48] <diddledan> you sure?
[15:48]  * zmoylan-pi bets a euro
[15:48] <diddledan> who was in jaws then?
[15:49] <zmoylan-pi> scheider?
[15:49] <diddledan> aah
[15:49] <diddledan> my bad
[15:49] <diddledan> still funny
[16:02] <diddledan> wow, there's someone touting an hdmi computer-stick with 8GB of rams: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/magicstick-most-powerful-pc-stick-8gb-ram#/
[16:07] <zmoylan-pi> 2015 will be the year of the desktop you lose in your pocket :-)
[16:07] <diddledan> indeed
[16:08] <daftykins> ooh my Dell UK have the new XPS 13 9350 :D
[16:08] <diddledan> \o/
[16:08] <diddledan> when you buying? :-p
[16:08] <daftykins> when i'm rich
[16:09] <diddledan> lol
[16:10] <daftykins> http://accessories.euro.dell.com/sna/PopupProductDetail.aspx?c=uk&l=en&cs=ukbsdt1&sku=452-BBOO&price=140.19
[16:10] <daftykins> single cable USB, external displays and LAN 8D
[16:12] <diddledan> \o/
[16:12] <diddledan> I like docking stations
[16:12]  * diddledan docks his port
[16:13] <daftykins> 'tis proper thunderbolt over USB
[16:13] <diddledan> ooh?
[16:13] <daftykins> http://www.dell.com/uk/business/p/xps-13-9350-laptop/pd?ref=PD_OC
[16:13] <diddledan> I thought thunderbolt used a display-port-compatible system
[16:14] <daftykins> well it throws display protocols over so depending on the breakout at the other end, it can go into multiple socket types for video ja
[16:14] <diddledan> aah
[16:14] <daftykins> since DP goes out into DP, HDMI or i think VGA too
[16:14] <daftykins> i think i might get one tbh :P it seems really nice
[16:15] <diddledan> yeah DP has an analogue set of wires, like dvi
[16:15] <awilkins> I have a DP > HDMI adapter
[16:15] <diddledan> I believe DP is just HDMI without the licensing
[16:15] <daftykins> just a shame you can't get the top end model with a FHD display, they make you go up to 4K
[16:15] <awilkins> And a DP > VGA adapter
[16:15] <daftykins> pretty much, far higher signal speed than common HDMI though... bit higher than HDMI 2.0 too i think
[16:15] <awilkins> Yeah, the DP connector looks JUSt like an HDMI only the plug is shifted to the side and the housing lost a corner
[16:15] <diddledan> yeah I think DP is a superset
[16:16] <awilkins> Not sure if you need active circuits
[16:16] <diddledan> most DPs these days use the mini-DP plug/socket IIRC
[16:16] <awilkins> My DP > HDMI adapter has enough room for some circuitboard in
[16:16] <diddledan> lil square thingy
[16:16] <daftykins> "6. Thunderbolt™ 3 supporting: Power in/charging, PowerShare, Thunderbolt 3 (40Gbps bi-directional), USB 3.1 Gen 2 (10Gbps), VGA, HDMI, Ethernet and USB-A via Dell Adapter (sold separately)"
[16:16] <awilkins> And of course, Thunderbolt and USB-C are the same physical thing
[16:16] <daftykins> http://i.dell.com/sites/imagecontent/products/PublishingImages/xps-13-9350-laptop/laptop-xps-13-9350-pdp-polaris-09.jpg
[16:17] <diddledan> I like the concept of USB-C
[16:17] <awilkins> USB-C for all the things
[16:17] <diddledan> finally a single connector for evarythang
[16:17] <awilkins> I still think Apple are being wanky by only putting one in a Macbook Air though
[16:17] <diddledan> tis a shame Microsoft didn't put it on their new surfaces
[16:17] <popey> I'm sad more laptops don't have it
[16:17]  * awilkins apologises for mildly unsafe comment in family channel
[16:18] <popey> maybe next gen ones will
[16:18] <popey> which is interesting that apple lead the way on that
[16:18] <awilkins> They took the whole "one port for everything" tagline too seriously though
[16:18] <diddledan> awilkins, as in they only put one port on the device?
[16:18] <awilkins> Yup
[16:19] <diddledan> yeah, that's a bit sucky
[16:19] <diddledan> means you're requried to use a hub
[16:19] <awilkins> Especially since it's now the charge port
[16:20] <daftykins> trust me Apple don't lead the way, they always just try and push new connectors and mostly end up failing - costing their customers plenty in the process :P
[16:20] <daftykins> case in point, firewire A and B
[16:21] <popey> usb
[16:21] <popey> they led on that
[16:21] <zmoylan-pi> and horrible lightning cables
[16:22] <awilkins> I hate Firewire
[16:22] <awilkins> I dunno why it's named that, but I always get a shock off it
[16:22] <awilkins> Maybe that IS why
[16:23] <popey> They led the way on firewire, which was better than the other options at the time.
[16:23] <diddledan> firewire uses plugs that can be coerced into connecting backasswards thereby ruining the devices at both ends
[16:23] <popey> along with sony
[16:23] <awilkins> Firewire lets hackers pwn your machine because it has a DMA controller
[16:23] <awilkins> As does Thunderbolt
[16:23] <zmoylan-pi> bring back scsi.... :-)
[16:24] <popey> RS-232 9-pin D ftw
[16:24] <popey> s/9/25/
[16:24] <zmoylan-pi> i know a song about rs-232...
[16:24] <awilkins> Is it "RS-232 / RS-232 / RS-232 / Interface Lead"  ?
[16:24] <m0nkey_> Darn Canada Post. They've had a package for me since yesterday evening (scanned at around 10pm) .. Yet it didn't go out for delivery today. I'm a sad m0nkey_ :(
[16:25] <awilkins> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDlj0jBtYmQ
[16:25] <zmoylan-pi> you beat me to it :-)
[16:26] <daftykins> awilkins: shock off firewire? it doesn't even provide power :)
[16:27] <awilkins> It always feels ... buzzy
[16:27] <awilkins> Maybe I have a grounding problem
[16:27] <diddledan> daftykins, it does!
[16:27] <zmoylan-pi> i was always shocked by dodgy coax network cable
[16:28] <daftykins> D: must've been a later addition?
[16:28] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi, I'm always shocked by my birds' nest of cables - it is a mess!
[16:34] <daftykins> oh that thing i linked appears to provide video output and gigabit LAN just from a standard USB 3.0 port, Dell UK don't appear to list their thunderbolt adapter yet.
[16:37] <daftykins> handy page on thunderbolt 3 over USB C: https://thunderbolttechnology.net/blog/thunderbolt-3-usb-c-does-it-all
[16:53] <popey> o/50
[17:35] <zmoylan-pi> diddledan: you're gonna need a bigger kayak... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUld0tszSG8
[18:01] <m6lpi> lol
[18:02] <m6lpi> bigger paddle more like
[18:27] <daftykins> any of you lot active that are ops in #ubuntu? tux38 needs ejecting and sooner rather than later.
[18:31] <diddledan> $ eject /dev/tux38
[18:31]  * diddledan joins #ubuntu to see the damage
[18:31] <zmoylan-pi> ditto
[18:32] <daftykins> oh my bad it was taken care of
[18:32] <daftykins> 4 mins ago
[18:32] <daftykins> catching up on some work here ^_^
[18:33] <diddledan> bah
[18:33] <zmoylan-pi> humbug?
[18:33]  * zmoylan-pi proffers bag
[18:37] <Myrtti> sorry, I was off to eating my most excellent Tesco curry
[18:41] <daftykins> :D
[18:44] <Myrtti> I prefer their korma and chicken tikka masala to any I've had in UK...
[18:44] <Myrtti> ahem
[19:03] <daftykins> heh
[19:03] <daftykins> i had a really nice lamb curry down in Lewes with my friends
[19:04] <diddledan> just watched chappie - he's adorable
[19:04] <daftykins> ooh i was gonna check that out, good call
[19:04] <daftykins> also that one with the big podgy robot
[19:05] <diddledan> big hero 6?
[19:05] <directhex> that is indeed a big podgy robot
[19:06] <daftykins> that's the one :D
[19:06] <daftykins> diddledan in saving me from looking things up \o/
[19:06] <directhex> i'm waiting for inside out to come out on blurry.
[19:06] <diddledan> I really wanna see inside out, too
[19:06] <directhex> saw it on the plane to boston last month
[19:07] <directhex> and watched it again on the flight back
[19:07] <diddledan> lol
[19:07] <directhex> it's that good. holy hell.
[19:08] <daftykins> hrmm Fargo s2 just started
[19:08] <directhex> and it's the most emotionally scarring film in disney history. screw simba's dad and bambi's mom and the toy story 3 furnace
[19:09] <daftykins> is this the one about a lass's emotions?
[19:10] <daftykins> yesh it is the one i'm thinking of
[19:11] <directhex> that's the one
[19:36] <directhex> and now i'm sorta crying from just listening to the soundtrack on youtube. it's a hell of a film!
[19:36] <daftykins> ;_;
[19:36] <daftykins> i don't think my emotions need that right now!
[19:42] <directhex> apparently the original up script had an extra 30 seconds of crushing despair, so this is my reaction to the "happy" final cut
[19:46] <zmoylan-pi> squirrel!!
[19:48] <daftykins> ooh i saw one in St Albans!
[19:48] <daftykins> we don't have them over here
[19:49] <zmoylan-pi> they released a bunch of red squirrels on wooded hill near me to repopulate the red squirrel population after they were decimated by the greys... saw one squished on road outside my place...
[19:52] <daftykins> :S
[19:56] <zmoylan-pi> i have seen a grey cross the road safely so they can learn i suppose. if they live long enough or see other squirrels do it
[20:20] <diddledan> we all know what happens when a grey crosses the road: http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi3516832537/
[20:20] <daftykins> i was riding past one of the world war 2 tunnels dug by locals under duress of the occupying German forces, today
[20:20] <daftykins> some extend for miles under the island
[20:20] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/gxdwvfnftvl2nih/VID_20151013_140922.mp4?dl=0
[20:21] <daftykins> wee little vid of ones entrance :P
[20:33] <diddledan> I'm not sure it's a good idea to video someone's entrance :-p

[20:34] <daftykins> tee-hee!


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[04:00] <veebers> Would anyone have an idea where qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-ui-toolkit-plugin-gles:armhf might exist? I'm attempting to cross build unity8 using sbuild, but fails due to availability of some packates
[04:00] <veebers> packages*
[06:59] <Mirv> mzanetti: FTBFS qtsystems https://launchpadlibrarian.net/210872327/buildlog_ubuntu-wily-i386.qtsystems-opensource-src_5.0~git20141206~44f70d99-0ubuntu4~wily1~test1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[07:15] <tsdgeos> ah merge \o/
[07:15]  * tsdgeos runs the merge script
[07:43] <mzanetti> Mirv, welcome back
[07:43] <mzanetti> Mirv, fixing
[07:48] <mzanetti> Mirv, sent you the updated patch via mail
[07:56] <Mirv> mzanetti: thanks! and thanks! :)
[08:11] <Mirv> mzanetti: hmm, weird
[08:12] <Mirv> mzanetti: succeeded on amd64, failed on i386 https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-016/+sourcepub/5193274/+listing-archive-extra
[08:16] <Mirv> mzanetti: oh, you have a typo at least... https://launchpadlibrarian.net/210875792/qtsystems-opensource-src_5.0~git20141206~44f70d99-0ubuntu4~wily1~test1_5.0~git20141206~44f70d99-0ubuntu4~wily1~test2.diff.gz
[08:17] <Mirv> UBUNTU_UNUTY
[08:17] <Mirv> I'll try fixing that
[08:24] <tsdgeos> did we break shell rotation with latest landing?
[08:24] <tsdgeos> my bq doesn't rotate anymore on latest vivid+ppa
[08:25] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: can you repro? ↑
[08:28] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, rotates for mew
[08:28] <mzanetti> *phew*
[08:29] <mzanetti> or well... with the latest OTA that is
[08:29] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: try flashing todays image?
[08:29] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: with apps opened or without?
[08:29] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, but also the phone where I still have the last silo on rotates
[08:29] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, trying with the browser app
[08:30] <mzanetti> dash alone is not supposed to rotate (for now)
[08:30] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: i mean the shell itself, it's supposed to rotate too, no?
[08:30] <tsdgeos> oh
[08:30] <tsdgeos> ok :D
[08:30] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, yeah... we probably want to enable that
[08:30]  * tsdgeos still has a bit of fever from the weekend
[08:30] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, however, that makes it != 40 or 50 or 90
[08:30] <tsdgeos> and it's still too hot :(
[08:30] <mzanetti> so a bit of a discussion attached to that
[08:30] <mzanetti> yeah still hot here too
[08:31]  * tsdgeos wishes his new flat with AC was finished
[08:31] <mzanetti> for some reason it seems to have rained over night throughout germany, but it missed Ulm, which usually is known for being rather a rather rainy place
[08:31] <seb128> mzanetti, tsdgeos, rotation still works for me on bq with rc-proposed 57
[08:31] <seb128> just as a fyi
[08:32] <mzanetti> thanks seb128
[08:32] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, man... you got an AC in there... that's nice
[08:32] <tsdgeos> well we have months of hot weather, not a few days :D
[08:34] <Mirv> mzanetti: hmm, nope, not enough https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-016/+sourcepub/5193291/+listing-archive-extra
[08:36] <mzanetti> Mirv, dammit :) Dunno why, but it builds here without those includes. will add the other too
[08:36] <greyback> plenty of cool air and water in Ireland right now, fancy making a trade?
[08:37] <mzanetti> Mirv, ok, added that other include too, let's hope.
[08:42] <Mirv> mzanetti: testing
[08:42] <Mirv> mzanetti: ..while fixing the UNUTY :)
[08:42] <mzanetti> I did fix that too :D
[08:43] <Mirv> mzanetti: ah, thanks, that pointed me to the fact that the new download had "(1)" in it..
[08:44] <mzanetti> ok... should have versioned them
[08:44] <mzanetti> but didn't think it would require so many retries :D
[08:44] <Mirv> also I need to add a/ b/ there
[08:45] <mzanetti> hmm... I c
[08:46] <mzanetti> Mirv, bzr diff can do that. I've sent another one :D
[08:46] <mzanetti> maybe I should just push the code :D
[08:48] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, do you have a script that checks all open MPs for conflicts and posts the results?
[08:49] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: posting the results is manual
[08:49] <mzanetti> :)
[08:49] <tsdgeos> but it does indeed check all open MPs
[08:50] <tsdgeos> which is sad since i means it also checks the WIP ones
[08:50] <tsdgeos> which nowadays almost means abandoned instead of WIP
[08:50] <tsdgeos> so we have zillions of conflcits there
[08:50] <tsdgeos> but since it's in order
[08:50] <tsdgeos> once i get to lp:~mterry/unity8/lock-during-call i can stop looking
[08:52] <tsdgeos> i think i posted the script before
[08:52] <tsdgeos> i can post it again if you want
[08:52] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: ↑
[08:52] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, sure, why not
[08:53] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: merge http://paste.ubuntu.com/11829951/
[08:53] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: branch cleaning check http://paste.ubuntu.com/11829953/
[08:57] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, I think the strip tags one supports copy paste of the whole acticereviews page somehow itself
[08:58] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: ? can't parse ?
[08:58] <mzanetti> ?
[08:59] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: didn't understand the sentence
[08:59] <mzanetti> ah :D
[08:59] <mzanetti> the strip-tags script, you can that run alone with something like, "strip-tags.py < cat" or so
[09:00] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, then just copy/paste the whole activereviews website into it
[09:00] <mzanetti> and it'll eat it
[09:00] <mzanetti> but I have to fiddle with it again each time
[09:00] <mzanetti> so you script might be easier
[09:00] <tsdgeos> ah
[10:08] <Mirv> mzanetti: ok, seems good now. all built, 016 for wily and 017 for vivid-overlay. can you do some quick testing for at least the vivid one? and what'd be the test plan to give to the QA, "just check the bug fix"?
[10:09] <Mirv> I mean, what areas touching QScreenSaver could theoretically affect that they'd want to test
[10:10] <mzanetti> Mirv, I don't think anythig uses QScreenSaver
[10:10] <Mirv> tsdgeos: I've made a todo item for myself about that asyncimageprovider fix, now that I'm back from holidays (for two weeks). I assume that's for vivid too?
[10:10] <Mirv> mzanetti: ok then it'd be "just check the bug fix"
[10:10] <Mirv> tsdgeos: I mean, the thumbnailer using the async provider is targeted to vivid too?
[10:10] <mzanetti> Mirv, some apps in the store do, like BigMovingText. That should start working when the branch and the apparmor fix land
[10:10] <mzanetti> Mirv, will do the testing, yes
[10:11] <tsdgeos> Mirv: i think so yes
[10:11] <Mirv> mzanetti: thanks, ok.
[10:11] <Mirv> tsdgeos: and thanks
[10:14] <tsdgeos> thank you :)
[12:55] <tsdgeos> cimi: ping
[13:07] <cimi> tsdgeos, pong
[13:08] <tsdgeos> cimi: for https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/previewcommentinput/+merge/262959 i was wondering if we should do Math.max(commentTextArea.implicitHeight, commentTextArea.implicitHeight.implicitHeight)
[13:08] <tsdgeos> just in case default button height grow in the future
[13:13] <cimi> tsdgeos, you mean submitBUtton.implicitheight?
[13:14] <ChrisTownsend> greyback_: Hey, thanks for the help.  Yeah, cgmanager is already running.
[13:14] <tsdgeos> cimi: indeed i do, sorry :D
[13:14] <tsdgeos> wrong c&p
[13:14] <ChrisTownsend> I thought I would stop the email noise now:)
[13:14] <greyback_> ChrisTownsend: hmm, then you'll need help from tedg probably
[13:14] <ChrisTownsend> greyback_: Yeah, but he's on vacation this week:-(
[13:14] <cimi> tsdgeos, done
[13:16] <greyback_> ChrisTownsend: :( Perhaps seb128, do you know about cgmanager and how ubuntu-app-launch creates cgroups for processes?
[13:16] <seb128> I don't
[13:16] <seb128> tedg probably does
[13:17] <ChrisTownsend> seb128: Does launching any app work for you on Unity8 running Wily?
[13:17] <seb128> ChrisTownsend, yes, if that's an upgraded system you might have cgmanager not enabled and need to "systemctl enable cgmanager"
[13:18] <ChrisTownsend> seb128: Ok, I'll try that, but I see cgmanager running in ps:
[13:18] <ChrisTownsend> root       802     1  0 08:44 ?        00:00:00 /sbin/cgmanager -m name=systemd
[13:19] <tsdgeos> pstolowski: i'm top approving https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/previewcommentinput/+merge/262959 is there any change somewhere to document this new widget being available we need to do?
[13:20] <seb128> ChrisTownsend, k, dunno then, wfm on an upgraded system and on a daily image just built earlier
[13:21] <ChrisTownsend> seb128: Didn't seem to help.  I probably borked my machine somewhere along the way (not sure how) since it works for you.
[13:21] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, okay; the doc is part of the unity-scopes-api docstrings of preview widget class; i can do the change, if you can just drop me an email with summary of all the new stuff that would be great
[13:21] <ChrisTownsend> greyback_: seb128: Thanks guys for your help.
[13:21] <tsdgeos> pstolowski: for now is that one widget only, others are in review, coding
[13:21] <seb128> ChrisTownsend, what error do you get?
[13:22] <tsdgeos> cimi: can you email pstolowski the new widget name, fields? ↑
[13:22] <ChrisTownsend> seb128: In ~/.xsession-errors, I get:
[13:22] <ChrisTownsend> upstart: Failed to spawn application-legacy (ubuntu-system-settings-) main process: unable to setup cgroup: Unknown error 196609
[13:22] <ChrisTownsend> upstart: Failed to spawn application-legacy (ubuntu-system-settings-) post-stop process: unable to setup cgroup: Unknown error 196609
[13:22] <ChrisTownsend> Seems kind of a weird place for the error to get logged though, but meh.
[13:24] <seb128> yeah
[13:30] <tsdgeos> dandrader: you run the whole suite and not just that one test in the loop, right?
[13:32] <tsdgeos> dandrader: also I have to run make testTutorial for it to fail
[13:32] <tsdgeos> not the xvfb variant
[13:37] <dandrader> tsdgeos, "make testTutorial" I run only once and it passed
[13:41] <tsdgeos> dandrader: still fails here :/
[13:49] <tsdgeos> dandrader: for some reason http://paste.ubuntu.com/11830957/ seems to fix it, any idea why that would happen?
[13:51] <dandrader> tsdgeos, ok, failed here as well. funny the "while" loop didn't stop
[16:00] <mzanetti> dandrader, hey, found the problem with the missing libandroid-properties-dev in apt-get build-dep
[16:00] <dandrader> mzanetti, so, what was it?
[16:01] <mzanetti> dandrader, in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/extra-ppas.list there's only the overlay ppa, but not the deb-src entry for the overlay
[16:01] <mzanetti> so build-dep will fetch stable vivid deps
[16:01] <dandrader> mzanetti, hmm, ok
[16:01] <dandrader> mzanetti, so I suppose in wily we don't have this problem then
[16:02] <mzanetti> yep
[16:02] <mzanetti> it's a overlay-ppa thing only
[16:02] <dandrader> mzanetti,  makes sense. thanks for the info
[16:02] <mzanetti> dandrader, you can just copy the entry and change deb to deb-src, apt-get update and then do the build-dep
[16:02] <mzanetti> it works fine


[00:37] <axisys> sudo apt-get update gives this on lucid
[00:37] <axisys> *** glibc detected *** /usr/lib/apt/methods/http: munmap_chunk(): invalid pointer: 0x00007fb1bd37b460 ***
[00:37] <axisys> any suggestion?
[00:37] <axisys> just rebooted and still same error
[00:38] <sarnold> anything in dmesg?
[00:39] <axisys> no.. I thought glibc bug was fixed that was introduced on Aug 4th
[00:50] <xperia> hi all. i need to install and load the reiser4 kernel module on a ubuntu-server. can somebody tell me how can this be done? i have already formated a partition by installing the needed tools like progsreiser4 and using mkfs.reiser4 but i am not able to mount it. it say always unknow filesystem. i guess this is because i need to load the kernel module for this filesystem also.
[00:51] <sarnold> xperia: try "modprobe reiserfs"
[00:54] <axisys> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/eglibc/+bug/1352504 worked
[00:55] <xperia> sarnold: thanks a lot will try it out and report back!
[00:58] <sarnold> axisys: oh I'm sorry, I forgot all about that one :(
[01:03] <xperia> sarnold: modprobe reiserfs loads the old module instead the new one reiser4. becoause of this i am still getting the error message "unknow filesystem »reiser4«"
[01:03] <xperia> when i try to mount the reiser4 partition.
[01:04] <sarnold> xperia: oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize reiser4 hadn't been merged: "Reiser4 has a questionable future and no immediate plans for merging into the Linux kernel." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reiser4
[01:07] <xperia> sarnold: okay thanks for the info. looks like i need to compile it to get it load on 14.04
[01:08] <sarnold> xperia: yeah. oh well, thatshouldn't be too horrible. check out the kernel-package package -- it can help building kernel debs for easy dpkg -i  :)
[01:12] <xperia> sarnold: cool will just do it. i really want this reiser4 kernel module
[06:35] <Sling> I have postfix using mysql as a backend for some information, but postfix is jailed to /var/spool/postfix so it can't access the mysql socket. I've fixed this by creating a mount point "/var/run/mysqld /var/spool/postfix/var/run/mysqld bind defaults,bind 0 0" in fstab and this mounts fine and works like a charm
[06:36] <Sling> but, when rebooting, it complains that /var/run/mysqld doesn't exist and halts booting
[06:36] <Sling> when I skip it, and manually say 'mount /var/spool/postfix/var/run/mysqld', it works fine again
[06:36] <ikonia> /var/run/mysqld is created after the file system mounts
[06:37] <ikonia>  /var is also "ram" as I recall, rather than an actual disk
[06:37] <Sling> hmm, that would explain it, any decent way of fixing this without hacking around?
[06:37] <Sling> well /var isn't in ram, there is persistent log storage there
[06:37] <Sling> maybe /var/run
[06:38] <ikonia>  /var /run is I think
[06:38] <Sling> tmpfs on /run type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,size=10%,mode=0755)
[06:38] <Sling> so the '/run' outside of var is, yea
[06:38] <ikonia> if you look though /run is a symlink to /var/run
[06:39] <Sling> looks like a normal folder to me
[06:39] <ikonia> I've not got an ubuntu box at hand to verify, I'm working from memory
[06:39] <ikonia> I could be wrong on that
[06:39] <Sling> drwxr-xr-x  16 root root  600 Sep 12 08:29 run
[06:39] <Sling> in .
[06:39] <Sling> er, in /
[06:39] <Sling> but anyway, a way to 'late' mount this?
[06:39] <Sling> or should I then make an upstart script that depends on mysql
[06:40] <Sling> weird thing is that this works fine on another ubuntu 12.04 box, which is the same version as this box but might be a few packages behind
[06:41] <Sling> oh wait, I added 'nobootwait' there
[06:41] <ikonia> I'm not sure of the best way I'd handle this
[06:41] <ikonia> nobootwait - I don't think that will work, try it though
[07:41] <thejoecarroll> can anyone say whether there is an official recommendation regarding using ubuntu's own apt repositories for 14.04 to install puppet-common (http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/admin/puppet-common) as opposed to using puppet labs' release repository (as described here: https://docs.puppetlabs.com/guides/install_puppet/install_debian_ubuntu.html)? any pros/cons for either option?
[07:42] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:43] <lordievader> thejoecarroll: Standard Ubuntu policy would be to pull everything from their repo, as they might apply Ubuntu specific patches. However the puppet version from the puppet repo works fine on Ubu Trusty.
[07:44] <thejoecarroll> thanks lordievader
[08:25] <xperia> hi all. how can i upgrade the kernel easy to 3.15 on a ubuntu 14.04 kernel ? i really need to run 3.15 Kernel instead 3.13
[08:28] <lordievader> !info linux-image-generic
[08:29] <lordievader> xperia: For Trusty that is not possible. Besides 3.15 is EOL.
[08:37] <xperia> lordivader: hmm is not 3.15 the new kernel that will be used in the comming ubuntu version 14.10 ? what do you mean with EOL End Of Life?
[08:39] <lordievader> xperia: Yes, EOL = End Of Life. 14.10 uses 3.16. See https://www.kernel.org/
[08:39] <lordievader> !info linux-image-generic utopic
[08:40] <lordievader> Perhaps if 3.17 is released before the kernel freeze of oct 9 that one will be included.
[08:45] <Sachiru> In terms of stability would it be wise to upgrade to 14.10 if you are currently running 14.04?
[08:46] <brontosaurusrex> on 14.04, is there any firewall on by default?
[08:47] <lordievader> No. It is never adviced to upgrade an development release.
[08:47] <brontosaurusrex> i'am getting "upnphttp.c:1043: warn: HTTP Connection closed unexpectedly" when running minidlna
[08:47] <lordievader> brontosaurusrex: Yes. UFW is installed per default, UFW is a frontend to IPTables.
[08:48] <lordievader> brontosaurusrex: I don't think that is a firewall problem.
[08:48] <brontosaurusrex> lordievader: ok, any guesses?
[08:49] <brontosaurusrex> "ufw status verbose" says inactive
[08:49] <lordievader> brontosaurusrex: The server/client program. Something closes the connection. A firewall will prevent the connection from ever being setup (if instructed to do so...)
[08:50] <xperia> lordievader: okay thanks.
[08:58] <brontosaurusrex> well, the gupnp-tools are showing my server
[08:58] <brontosaurusrex> among many others on this network
[09:02] <brontosaurusrex> also xbmc is finding/playing my stuff, so i guess its working somehow
[09:04] <xperia> lordievader: i really need to get the ubuntu kernel sources for 3.15. how can i obtain them on a 14.04 system ? i looked for ppa but could not find anything.
[09:04] <lordievader> xperia: You know that compiling your own kernel is unsupported here?
[09:06] <xperia> this is new to me as i am on a ubuntu 14.04 ubuntu server and thinked here i am right to ask that simple question. where should i go then ?
[09:07] <xperia> okay will try #ubuntu-devel then! lets see
[09:07] <lordievader> xperia: The sources of the 3.15 kernel can be found here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/utopic/amd64/linux-image-generic/<IP_ADDRESS>.7
[09:08] <lordievader> xperia: What I ment was that compiling your own kernel is not supported by Ubuntu.
[09:08] <Odd_Bloke> xperia: #ubuntu-devel is for the development of Ubuntu itself, I don't think you'll get much help there.
[09:08] <Odd_Bloke> xperia: Why do you need 3.15 specifically?
[09:08] <xperia> ahh okay thanks a lot will just try it out.
[09:08] <lordievader> xperia: #ubuntu-kernel would be your best bet.
[09:08] <lordievader> But I suppose they will tell you the same.
[09:08] <xperia> Odd:Bloke: for reiser4 support
[09:09] <xperia> Odd_Bloke:
[09:09] <Odd_Bloke> reiser4 is still a thing?
[09:10] <xperia> Odd_Bloke: for One Billion small Files and more there is no better File System Choise or do you think else ?
[09:11] <Odd_Bloke> Sorry, that wasn't a very constructive thing to say.
[09:12] <Odd_Bloke> xperia: Have you tried http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2014/06/install-upgrade-linux-kernel-3-15/ ?
[09:13] <xperia> Odd_Bloke: reiser4 just got new features especially for ssd drives only a few days ago and this patches work only with kernel 3.15 versions. thanks for the link will just check it out.
[09:15] <xperia> Odd_Bloke: ahh i need to build the 3.15 Ubuntu Kernel from sources to enable resier4 support. the link lordievader posted looks very good. will help me a lot.
[09:15] <lordievader> xperia: If you are going to build a kernel, build 3.16. Like I said 3.15 is EOL.
[09:16] <lordievader> xperia: And when things break and you are asking for support mention that you are running a custom kernel.
[09:19] <xperia> lordivader okay then i will try to build the 3.15 Kernel Version. I hope it will work with the reiser4 3.15 patches.
[09:19] <xperia> ehh sorry 3.16
[09:30] <xperia> lordievader: sorry to ask this stupid question but what ppa do i need to add on a 14.04 system to be able to fetch the ubuntu kernel sources ?
[09:32] <lordievader> xperia: Since you don't have the utopic sources simply download them from launchpad.
[09:36] <xperia> thanks. you just gave me the idea to add the utopic sources to the /etc/apt file :-)
[09:37] <lordievader> xperia: No don't do that.
[09:37] <lordievader> xperia: That's a really bad idea.
[09:38] <lordievader> xperia: Please read what I type.
[10:46] <e-DIO-t> anyidea about a 3Tb RAID1 read as 800Gb RAID1 via 12.04.3 LTS / Uefi install ?
[11:09] <a_ok> Is there a non X boot configuration manager that can handle ubuntu's divided boot configuration?
[11:09] <ubuntunoob> hi guys. i want to upgrade my running production servers to the supported version of ubuntu. i only have ssh access to my servers and was wondering what is the best way to go about it
[11:09] <ubuntunoob> 13.10 at the moment and wish to upgrade to 14+
[11:10] <ubuntunoob> i understand 14.4.1 is prefferable in terms of suport period
[11:16] <ubuntunoob> anyone here?
[11:16] <cfhowlett> icu
[11:16] <lordievader> ubuntunoob: That surely is possible.
[11:16] <cfhowlett> !install
[11:17] <pmatulis> morning
[11:18] <a_ok> For some reason ubuntu is the only distro that is a pain in the boot. I really hope that migration to systemd is going to be fast. Else we still have upstart junk together with legacy sysvrc and systemd unit files to manage...
[11:18] <ubuntunoob> what about, sudo do-release-upgrade?
[11:18] <ubuntunoob> is it safe to do it over ssh?
[11:19] <cfhowlett> !eolupgrade | ubuntunoob, you'd have to do an eolupgrade.
[11:19] <a_ok> yes it is however it is recommended to at least have means of "physical" access
[11:20] <cfhowlett> ubuntunoob, how remote is your "remote"
[11:20] <ubuntunoob> another country
[11:20] <a_ok> ubuntunoob, also use screen
[11:20] <ubuntunoob> i have email support from the vps company and they are fairly responsive
[11:21] <cfhowlett> ubuntunoob, sounds like a solution is possible.   can your server be taken off-line for the upgrade?
[11:21] <ubuntunoob> yes
[11:23] <cfhowlett> ubuntunoob, peaches & cream!  read the install alternatives link. Never done one myself, but I'm pretty sure you can enable an EOLupgrade via ssh.
[11:23] <a_ok> ubuntunoob, do make sure you use screen or another type of multiplexer that has reconnect functionality
[11:24] <maxb> cfhowlett, ubuntunoob: Saucy is still present on the main archive, so I don't think the special provisions for an upgrade from a release which has been demoted to old-releases need apply
[11:24] <cfhowlett> maxb, you almost certainly know more than I - help?
[11:24] <a_ok> cfhowlett, yep i have done it nothing special about it
[11:24] <lordievader> I'd say "sudo do-release-upgrade" will still work at this time.
[11:24] <ubuntunoob> ok, i will go read the eol guide now. thank you
[11:25] <maxb> Don't worry about the EOL guide, 13.10 is not that old. You are simply in the position of doing a normal upgrade
[11:26] <maxb> (though remote)
[11:27] <maxb> I believe you just need a standard run of 'do-release-upgrade', paying attention to the things it tells you about running the upgrade in a screen session, and having some sort of emergency plan in place for if the worst happens and boot fails
[11:28] <lordievader> do_release_upgrade opens a screen itself.
[11:28] <cfhowlett> maxb, what's the command flag to dry run???
[11:28] <maxb> dry run?
[11:29] <cfhowlett> maxb, "don't execute" but show output
[11:30] <lordievader> cfhowlett: It has a sandbox mode, but I don't know if that is what you mean.
[11:30] <cfhowlett> ubuntunoob, actually, do-release-upgrade will show the upgrade plan and await one more authorization initialize so do that.
[11:30] <maxb> Does do-release-upgrade have one of those? I can't see that it would be particularly helpful, as a release upgrade is sufficiently complex that a dry run won't be very representative
[11:31] <ubuntunoob> ok so i am doing it on a test server first and running do release upgrade without screen (because you said it opens up its own screen)
[11:33] <lordievader> ubuntunoob: Err, do open your own. It will probably detect it. But better be safe than sorry.
[11:35] <a_ok> ubuntunoob: Also when you want to stay on LTS releases edit /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades (and set prompt to lts)
[11:37] <ubuntunoob> than you, i am doing it now
[11:39] <ubuntunoob> after editing to lts, closing all important running processes, backing up important stuff, opening a screen and running d--release-upgrade it says - Checking for a new Ubuntu release No new release found
[11:40] <cfhowlett> ubuntunoob, eol upgrade option then
[11:40] <ubuntunoob> tried running - apt-get-upgrade, still no go
[11:40] <ubuntunoob> cfhowlett, what do you mean by that?
[11:40] <cfhowlett> !eolupgrade
[11:42] <ubuntunoob> ok, gonna do some more reading now and try it out. thanks
[11:59] <ubuntunoob> in the requirements section it says i should have some sources, such as this one: ## EOL upgrade sources.list # Required
[11:59] <ubuntunoob> deb http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ CODENAME main restricted universe multiverse
[12:00] <cfhowlett> ubuntunoob, CODENAME = trusty         for 14.04
[12:00] <ubuntunoob> and that i should replace CODENAME to my release, so is that the new or the old release?
[12:00] <ubuntunoob> so the new, ok
[12:01] <cfhowlett> ubuntunoob, errrr false. oldrelease = name of your old distro
[12:01] <cfhowlett> !13.10
[12:02] <cfhowlett> ubuntunoob, "saucy" in your case.
[12:02] <ubuntunoob> thank you, i am looking it up now
[12:05] <ubuntunoob> i looked for them here: /etc/apt/sources.list and the necessary sources are not present. should i edit the sources.list file and write those sources myself?
[12:05] <cfhowlett> ubuntunoob, paste your sources.list
[12:05] <cfhowlett> !paste
[12:07] <ubuntunoob> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8326629/
[12:09] <cfhowlett> ubuntunoob, OK, as I stated : never done an EOL upgrade but as I read it, you have point all those debs to the old release repos.
[12:10] <ubuntunoob> so this i what i intend to add
[12:10] <ubuntunoob> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8326642/
[12:10] <cfhowlett> ubuntunoob, looks like nope
[12:10] <cfhowlett> ubuntunoob, those do NOT point to the OLD RELEASE repos
[12:12] <cfhowlett> ubuntunoob, look at the EOL wiki.  the /etc/apt/sources.list   ##EOL upgrade sources.list    must be edited so CODENAME = saucy
[12:14] <ubuntunoob> i think i get it, something like this - deb http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ saucy main restricted universe multiverse -----should work then
[12:14] <cfhowlett> ubuntunoob, make this easy.  rename your current sources.list to SAVEDsources.list   then save the EOL upgrade sources.list as the new /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:25] <ubuntunoob> i added the sources to the new sources.list file and when i ran "aptitude update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade" it had many errors. had 404 page not found errors and W: Failed to fetch
[12:29] <ubuntunoob> i found this "https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TrustyUpgrades" and i think it is going to work. gonna try now
[12:30] <ubuntunoob> same as before "No new release found"
[12:31] <Mip> Hi Folks - nfs-kernel-server stops working shortly after clients make a connection. I saw this in dmesg http://pastebin.com/tECnbRWj - any ideas? Thanks
[12:38] <cfhowlett> ubuntunoob, do not ADD the new sources - replace the sources.
[12:39] <ubuntunoob> yeah, i did that
[12:40] <ubuntunoob> i am now following http://askubuntu.com/questions/453883/upgrade-from-13-10-to-14-04-no-new-release-found
[12:40] <ubuntunoob> i am also trying it as root so now i am trying as a non root
[12:45] <smoser> Phibs, did you get sorted ?
[12:54] <ubuntunoob> i followed a guide and performed the following steps: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8326879/
[12:54] <ubuntunoob> as a non root user with sudo privelages
[12:55] <ubuntunoob> and yoooooooohooooooooooooo it works!
[12:55] <ubuntunoob> No LSB modules are available. Distributor ID: Ubuntu Description:    Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS Release:        14.04 Codename:       trusty
[12:57] <ubuntunoob> i am still a bit concerned about how this was done because i do not understand what happened, which is fine for my test server but can you please reassure me so i can reproduce these steps in my production server?
[12:58] <cfhowlett> ubuntunoob, line 13 - correct command = sudo do-release-upgrade
[12:59] <ubuntunoob> that is what i thought, so i can safely do this on my production server? there is nothing that is not kosher here?
[13:00] <cfhowlett> ubuntunoob, no other errors on your test box, right?
[13:01] <ubuntunoob> seems fine
[13:01] <ubuntunoob> i am gonna check the main functions like lamp etc before i continue
[13:01] <cfhowlett> ubuntunoob, then put  a brew in the freezer, launch your udpate, retrieve said brew and watch the magic
[13:02] <ubuntunoob> yeah the magic happened!!!
[13:02] <ubuntunoob> and the brew was delecious
[13:02] <cfhowlett> :)  congrats on a job well done.
[13:02] <ubuntunoob> thank you
[13:03] <cfhowlett> ubuntunoob, happy2help
[13:03] <ubuntunoob> i have another question though
[13:03] <cfhowlett> ask
[13:03] <ubuntunoob> i do not want to be locked out of my production serrver that is protected by key file
[13:04] <ubuntunoob> should i accept password authentication and maybe some other stuff i dont know of before upgrading?
[13:04] <cfhowlett> ubuntunoob that stuff is completely over my head. ask in main #ubuntu channel.
[13:04] <ubuntunoob> ok thank you for all of your help
[13:05] <ubuntunoob> btw you can fix the answer given in ubuntu forums to include do- instead of do if you like http://askubuntu.com/questions/453883/upgrade-from-13-10-to-14-04-no-new-release-found
[13:22] <xperia> lordievader: wanted just tell that i was able to recompile finally the Linux Kernel with Reiser4 Support. Created just a wiki about this on the ubuntu help page => https://help.ubuntu.com/community/reiser4#preview Thanks a lot for the Help!
[13:23] <lordievader> xperia: No problem. Have fun ;)
[13:24] <ikonia> xperia: any reason you are using reiser4 ?
[13:25] <xperia> ikonia: storing over one billion data files with a size of 500 to 800 Bytes leave no other choise than using reiser4 on linux as file system. everything else sucks!
[13:26] <ikonia> xperia: despite it not being part of the kernel, you still think that it's an option for you ?
[13:28] <xperia> ikonia: it is activly developed. it just gor a few days back support for ssd trim and i will join the developer team and donate money to reiser4. So yes it is the only option for me if i want have a fast and unlimited file system.
[13:29] <ikonia> no critique, just wondered how you felt about basically using a "dead" file system as far as the kernel's native suppport is concerned
[13:31] <dasjoe> xperia: out of interest, have you tried ZFS for that?
[13:31]  * cfhowlett is too polite to mention that the namesake murdered his wife
[13:33] <xperia> dasjoe: i thinked to use XFS but from what i have read when it comes to handling of very small files reiser4 beat every other filesystem.
[13:33] <korylprince> Hello all. I've got a 3 drive RAID 5 with mdadm. One of these drives is starting to give SMART errors, so I've added another drive to the RAID. It is adding as a spare; Can I force it to sync because I know this other drive is going to die soon...
[13:34] <ikonia> korylprince: mark the other one as failed
[13:34] <ikonia> korylprince: and the spare will take over
[13:36] <korylprince> Thanks!
[13:43] <Odd_Bloke> xperia: Would be interested to know if the amount of time spent actually processing will outweight the amount of time spent working out how to get reiser4. ;)
[13:51] <xperia> Odd_Bloke: indeed let see. this billion file storage and access file system on linux is something that is a work on progress since years. See red hat research about this here => http://www.redhat.com/summit/2011/presentations/summit/decoding_the_code/thursday/wheeler_t_0310_billion_files_2011.pdf
[13:55] <Odd_Bloke> xperia: A lot has changed since 2011; btrfs is (pretty much) production-ready.
[13:58] <xperia> Odd_Bloke: ohhh i had very bad experience with btrfs on ubuntu! i can not recommend btrfs even i used the latest version on the newest ubuntu kernel version like recommended. the troughput was compared to ext4 very very bad. i talked with the btrfs people and they could not understand it. i used a simple loop to store hundreds of millions data on a ssd disk and btrfs was absolute non usable...
[13:58] <xperia> ...for such a task.
[13:59] <jrwren> btrfs also uses LOTS of memory compared to other file systems.
[14:00] <jrwren> xperia: are you going to profile reiser4 v. xfs?
[14:04] <jrwren> xperia: also since I did not see it mentioned, reiserfsprogs pkg is for reiserfs3, reiser4progs is pkg for reiserfs4
[14:04] <jrwren> xperia: and the kernel module is there by default.
[14:05] <xperia> jrwren: do you mean with profile doing a benchmark. is not my plan as i would need to erase the reiser4 ssd partition and replace it with xfs to make such a profile. phronix maked a benchmark testing the latest reiser4 filesystem and it was pretty well. they said however to avoid XFS for small Files and istead use reiser4 see => http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=reiser4_linux35&nu
[14:05] <xperia> m=1
[14:06] <xperia> yeah reiserfs is supported but not the newer reiser4 version. everytime i try to mount a reiser4 partition on ubuntu it gives me the error message FileSystem not supported.
[14:06] <jrwren> xperia: i highly recommend comparing the two yourself. Those benchmarks are rarely if ever accurate.
[14:07] <jrwren> xperia: ah, i see now you are correct. Sorry about that.
[14:08] <xperia> yes lot of people said it to me to use xfs. i will do for sure at one time. ext4 and so on can not be used because of the inode limitation. So only Reiser4 and XFS is the option. and from what is know XFS has big disatvantages when it comes to deal with lot of Sub Directory's
[14:12] <jrwren> That has not been my experience.
[14:12] <jrwren> When you say "lot of" do you mean on order of millions, or billions?
[14:31] <Mip> Gotta leave for a bit now, but look forward to discussing nfsd with you folks when I return. Thanks!
[14:43] <xperia> jrwren: millions. your experience with XFS makes me really eager to try out really XFS also. looks like you are very happy with XFS! did you als tryed reiser4 before to compare the experience with this two file systems?
[14:51] <jrwren> xperia: sadly no. after losing all my data to reiser3 many many years ago, I never touched reiserfs again.
[14:59] <xperia> jrwren: ahh understandable. losing all data is never good.
[15:36] <StolenToast> huh
[15:36] <StolenToast> finch seems to have disappeared from my system
[15:48] <StolenToast> wow it really is gone
[15:48] <StolenToast> not just the package but all configs too
[16:30] <Phibs> smoser: no 0;
[16:30] <smoser> Phibs, can you explain more ?
[16:30] <smoser> you're on precise ?
[16:31] <Phibs> yeah
[16:32] <Phibs> so we're installing packages from the ubuntu cloud archive
[16:32] <Phibs> and if I have the cloud keyring installed... they fail saying untrusted
[16:32] <Phibs> if I remove the cloud keyring pkg, they install...
[16:37] <TJ-> Phibs: Do you have an example package that causes it?
[16:38] <minus1999> Yesterday I was able to successully set up a ubuntu file server, i then tried to set it as a webserver, following the official ubuntu guide, i was able to get as far as installing and configuring squid. then today, for some reason none of my home computers(mac and windows) see the shared samba folder. what could be the reason? the server is visable but attempting to browse it gives a error saying "windows cannot access the s
[16:38] <Phibs> TJ-: python-mock
[16:38] <Phibs> 1.x with 'cloud' in the name
[16:39] <TJ-> Phibs: And which repository/ies  are added to sources.list?
[16:39] <Phibs> 1s
[16:39] <smoser> Phibs, i can't reproduce that here.
[16:39] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8328347/
[16:40] <Phibs> hmm
[16:40] <Phibs> yeah I tried it in a separate box and it worked fine
[16:40] <Phibs> I really have no idea why it was being dumb :(
[16:40] <Phibs> how do I figure out what key is needed for a specific .deb?
[16:41] <Phibs> repo was this
[16:41] <Phibs> deb http://ubuntu-cloud.archive.canonical.com/ubuntu precise-updates/icehouse main
[16:41] <TJ-> Phibs: "pastebinit < <(sudo apt-get install <pkg>)"
[16:42] <Phibs> also, I am hitting this repo, via another box where I used apt-mirror
[16:42] <Phibs> woudl that cause any issues ?
[16:42] <Phibs> TJ-: getting another box spun up to paste error
[16:43] <minus1999> Yesterday I was able to successully set up a ubuntu file server, i then tried to set it as a webserver, following the official ubuntu guide.
[16:43] <minus1999>  i was able to get as far as installing and configuring squid.
[16:43] <Phibs> what does squid have to do with a web server
[16:43] <minus1999>  then today, for some reason none of my home computers(mac and windows) see the shared samba folder. what could be the reason?
[16:44] <minus1999> it was in the guide
[16:44] <minus1999> this if my first time, i was just following the guide
[16:44] <minus1999> Today the server is visable but attempting to browse it gives a error saying "windows cannot access the server" "check the spelling of the name." any ideas what may be the issue? or a search term i should use? Im probably searching wrong because im not finding anything. thanks.
[16:46] <lordievader> !patience | minus1999
[17:00] <Phibs> TJ-: still getting box set up to break ;0
[17:06] <RoyK> I would think this bug affects a few more people than just me :P https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mdadm/+bug/1364091
[17:12] <Free95> hey all, trying to use vmbuilder to build a saucy (14.04) VM on precise (12.04) base… process hangs on "Base system installed successfully", tried updating to latest python-vm-builder via precise-proposed still nothing
[17:12] <Free95> anyone else have an issue like this?
[17:16] <lordievader> Free95: The way I create/install VM's remotely is by starting them with virt-install and then connecting to their vnc server.
[17:17] <Free95> lordievader, what if you're trying to make a minimal OS install? aka JeOS?
[17:17] <lordievader> Same applies.
[17:18] <lordievader>  If that minimal OS goes to a vm that is.
[17:18] <Free95> Oops, confused girt-manager with girt-install haha
[17:18] <Free95> *g-> v
[17:19] <zul> hallyn: ping
[17:19] <zul> hallyn: what does lxc-start --share-net do?
[17:20] <hallyn> zul: never heard ot it
[17:20] <hallyn> oh.
[17:20] <zul> hallyn: its in the man page :)
[17:20] <hallyn> so it'll grab the /proc/pid/ns/net of target pid and connect the container to that namespace
[17:21] <hallyn> so two containers can share a netns
[17:21] <zul> hallyn: so if i create an netns using the ip command before starting the container and specify that pid it will use that netns?
[17:22] <hallyn> yeah, well so lon gas you have a pid sitting in that netns, yes
[17:22] <zul> hmm. interesting
[17:23] <Free95> lordievader, the thing that stinks is that I can't specify what packages I want to install right on the command line
[17:23] <lordievader> Free95: I suppose you are trying to install Ubuntu. Take the mini iso or do a debootstrap install.
[17:23] <zul> hallyn: so if i presetup somethign like 50 netns namespaces, i should just able to start an lxc-container from one of the random 50 netns containers i started
[17:24] <hallyn> yeah
[17:24] <hallyn> if that's what you wanted :)
[17:24] <zul> hallyn: do you need to configure anything in the lxc config file?
[17:25] <Free95> lordievader, vmbuilder is basically a frontend to debootstrap.. I guess the real question is, how can I easily provision VMs without building the ubuntu cloud infrastructure first?
[17:25] <hallyn> zul: not sure
[17:26] <hallyn> checking whether all the network setup is ignored in thta case
[17:26] <lordievader> Free95: I have no experience with cloud things. I don't think I can help you with that.
[17:26] <Free95> me neither haha
[17:27] <Free95> well I guess I'll just have to setup a basic ubuntu image and just clone it any time I want to make a new VM quickly :-/
[17:28] <hallyn> zul: i think you'll want to set lxc.network.type = none in the config file
[17:28] <zzxc> Hey Guys, Does anyone know how to limit the number of tunnels through sshd?
[17:28] <zul> ok cool thanks
[17:31] <zzxc> We have a chrooted sftp connection. We're getting ddos by the user when he can't access a file, it crashes his service without terminating the sftp connection then launches another sftp connection.
[17:31] <Phibs> TJ-: yeh can't repro anymore...
[17:31] <Phibs> TJ-: question is, why would the ubuntu cloud stuff install if the key isn't installed, is that stuff signed w/ the normal ubuntu key?
[17:33] <zzxc> Since its ftp though a ssh tunnel, limiting the number of session doesn't work. We had over 1000 open sftp connctions earlier today.
[17:37] <RoyK> zzxc: http://nixcraft.com/showthread.php/13764-SSH-limit-number-of-simultaneous-logins-attempts-for-each-user something like that?
[17:42] <zzxc> RoyK: Hmmm thats actually an interesting idea. I don't know if it will work since they don't actually have an session assoicated with them.
[17:43]  * RoyK tries
[17:46] <RoyK> zzxc: works for me
[17:46] <zzxc> RoyK: Really? Awesome!
[17:47] <RoyK> erm
[17:47] <RoyK> no
[17:47] <RoyK> it doesn't
[17:47] <RoyK> I tried to ssh in twice (limit 2), and then sftp failed
[17:47] <RoyK> but several sftp sessions don't count
[17:49] <zzxc> Hahaha, yeah thats what I was worried about. Thank you for you're help though. I'm going to see if there is a configation on the sftp side to limit the number of concurrent connections. Otherwie I'm going to have to use something like tcpserver to create a firewallish like thing.
[17:49] <zzxc> But Seriously, thank you for the effort.
[17:50] <RoyK> :)
[17:52] <RoyK> zzxc: it might be easier to do it in iptables
[17:53] <RoyK> zzxc: but that'll mean maximum connections from an address, not a user
[17:53] <RoyK> zzxc: MaxSessions should stop this, though, but seems it doesn't
[17:54] <zzxc> RoyK: Yeah, the ip address is used by multple users.
[17:54] <RoyK> bingo
[17:56] <TJ-> zzxc: Could you use pam_limits with maxlogins ?
[17:56] <zzxc> RoyK: The issue with using maxSession is that sftp doesn't use a session.
[17:56] <RoyK> zzxc: ah
[17:57] <RoyK> zzxc: could it be possible to configure it to use one?
[17:58] <zzxc> TJ-: You mean the /security/limits.conf bit?
[17:59] <TJ-> zzxc: Yes
[18:00] <TJ-> zzxc: e.g/ "username hard maxlogins 2"
[18:00] <zzxc> TJ-: Yeah, actually thats what Royk suggested as well. You can still use as many sftp connections as you want.
[18:00] <Aison> can I use /etc/network/interfaces.d for multiple network configuration files?
[18:00] <TJ-> zzxc: really? they share a log-in?
[18:01] <zzxc> RoyK: Huh I didn't think of that. Thats worth looking into
[18:02] <RoyK> zzxc: please share if you find a solution :)
[18:02] <zzxc> TJ-: On my system yes. RoyK was actually the one who tested it though (and thank you again for that). I've been digging though some things.
[18:03] <zzxc> RoyK: Yep, gladly.
[18:04] <RoyK> TJ-: tested it - see above - set limit to 2, logged in twice with ssh, after that sftp failed, but with 10ish sftp sessions, no problems if the number of ssh logins weren't too high
[18:32] <Mip> I’ve been struggling to keep nfsd up and running, and when it fails, clients who have nfs shares mounted from this server eventually hang. The problem *seems* to go away if I require both server and client to use vers3. Have any of you had this issue?
[18:32] <Mip> Using 14.04.1 on both server and client.
[18:33] <bekks> Mip: Those issues are common when you use either nointr and/or hard as mount options.
[18:33] <sarnold> soft is your friend
[18:34] <Mip> bekks: thanks - I have been using soft as an option, and still had the problem. Same options now, only I’ve added vers=3 to server and client, and it seems more stable. Any other thoughts?
[18:34] <bekks> Mip: Enforce "intr" too.
[18:35] <Mip> bekks: how/where would I do this?
[18:35] <bekks> Mip: Just use intr in addition to soft.
[18:36] <Mip> bekks: ok, in fstab on client. Am I losing much by requiring my nfs mounts to be made using vers=3?
[18:37] <bekks> Mip: Since you are asking the answer is no ;)
[18:38] <Mip> bekks: - thanks! I’m going to continue to test, but I could reliably get tainted kernels using nfs4, but could not for the life of me find a solution. I’m surprised the problem isn’t more widespread.
[18:38] <bekks> Mip: Tainted kernels? Can you please pastebin that?
[18:39] <Mip> bekks: sure - I pasted this one this morning, but I’ll do it again here: http://pastebin.com/tECnbRWj
[18:40] <Mip> bekks: last line shows the kernel tained (after 2nd crash)
[18:41] <bekks> Are you using ACL over NFS?
[18:41] <Mip> Not intentionally
[18:42] <sarnold> note line 8 says 'Not tainted' -- it could be that the first null-pointer exception taints the kernel for future BUGs..
[18:42] <sarnold> .. to save people from wasting time trying to troubleshoot the second or third problem, when the first one is probably the source of the issues
[18:43] <RoyK> zzxc: rssh might be the answer
[18:43] <RoyK> zzxc: that is, if you don't need to allow logins for the users
[18:43] <zzxc> zzxc: I'm actually using rssh. Is there a limt feature in that?
[18:44] <zzxc> RoyK: ^^ For some reason I typed my own name...
[18:44] <RoyK> hehe
[18:45] <RoyK> zzxc: sec
[18:46] <zzxc> RoyK: Huh, I found a guy using a very simalar set up with a very simalar situtation.
[18:46] <zzxc> A chrooted sftp jail using rssh with 1000+ concurrent sftp connections which caused our system to crash.
[18:47] <RoyK> this one? http://sourceforge.net/p/rssh/mailman/message/22190380/
[18:49] <zzxc> Haha yep
[18:52] <Mip> sarnold: to what do you attribute the cause in line 8?
[18:52] <Mip> It’s definitely nfsd, right?
[18:54] <sarnold> Mip: alomst certainly, yes. please do file a bug on that if you haven't yet :)
[18:57] <Mip> sarnold: though I’ve been using linux for several years, I’m not sure I *know* how to file a bug. Where would be the appropriate place?
[18:58] <Free95> lordievader, so I got virt-install working…. but I'm doing the install manually. How do I pressed and stuff? For instance, I'd like to setup the disk partitions automatically
[18:59] <lordievader> Free95: I have no experience with preseed or kickstart. But I'm sure someone else here can assist you with that ;)
[18:59] <Free95> aw man, you got me this far and that's it? :P haha
[18:59] <sarnold> Mip: the easy thing to do is trigger the bug again and then run "ubuntu-bug linux"
[19:00] <RoyK> zzxc: seems like most of the world wants to find a solution to this :P
[19:00] <pmatulis> Free95: what's your question?
[19:01] <Mip> sarnold: I’ll look into that. Any way I could use a copy of dmesg that I created after I saw the bug? I cat’d it to a file.
[19:01] <zzxc> RoyK: Yeah, I've noticed that too. I mean it seems like a pretty simple thing.
[19:01] <Free95> hey pmatulis, I'm used to using vmbuilder to make my VMs, including with essential packages etc… but there's a serious debootstrap bug somewhere that has recently appeared and I cannot create trusty VMs
[19:02] <sarnold> Mip: if you don't want to go -that- far, you could just file a bug at launchpad against linux and paste in the dmesg .. the bots iwll nag you for more details and if you're still running that kernel, you can probably placate them well enough
[19:02] <Free95> so I'm trying to find functionality that's similar in nature to debootstrap… basically automate as much of the install as possible
[19:02] <sarnold> Mip: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+filebug
[19:03] <RoyK> zzxc: there's #openssh which may have some smart heads
[19:03] <Mip> sarnold: okay - excellent! THanks so much, and if I can’t get far enough, I can get it to happen again. I’ve seen it happen on this server, as well on a dell pc that was using as a test box to rule out hardware on this server.
[19:04] <sarnold> Mip: very nice )
[19:05] <Mip> sarnold: Man, I am *so* happy I’ve been able to make this stop happening. So, “intr” as an option in addition to “soft” will help to keep my clients from hanging if my nfsd stops running?
[19:06] <Free95> so pmatulis do you have any experience with something like automating installs?
[19:06] <sarnold> Mip: at least you'll be able to ^C or kill the things. it might not be awesome but I always missed it when I forgot to include it on my mount lines.. :) hehe
[19:08] <Mip> sarnold: Cool. Well, I’ll test that too, so I can see what I’m up against. I had been mounting the nfs share, and then using that share as my rsnapshot root. I’d like to be able to trust that again….
[19:09] <RoyK> zzxc: I can see you're in there - did you ask there?
[19:11] <pmatulis> Free95: you can combine preseed with either virt-install or pxe.  it's a fairly big topic so you'll need to study these main pieces yourself and then come back with questions with whatever doesn't work
[19:16] <pmatulis> Free95: it works well, except preseed is exacting and requires a lot of tests/troubleshooting to get right
[19:32] <zzxc> RoyK: Sorry I missed that
[19:33] <Free95> pmatulis, this seems like a pretty good tutorial: http://agilesysadmin.wordpress.com/2013/09/09/simple-unattended-ubuntu-install-in-a-vm/
[19:33] <zzxc> RoyK: Yeah I already asked. their solution was to use tcpserver, and that it couldn't be solved simply using just sftp.
[19:34] <SturmFlut> I already asked a couple of days ago but maybe the crowd is different at this time of day: Does anyboady here run Ubuntu for ARM64 on an actual ARM64 machine?
[19:34] <zzxc> RoyK: But Honestly with everything else I have on my plate I don't want to have to work through adding an additional piece to the stack.
[19:35] <Mip> sarnold: Not sure if you’re still around, but I just submitted the bug. Thanks again for your help!
[19:35] <zzxc> SturmFlut: Are theere already market ready arm-64 servers out there?
[19:36] <SturmFlut> zzxc: Yes, by different manufacturers. I am currently doing a bit of market research for my employer and would like to talk to other people running ARM64
[19:36] <sarnold> Mip: great, thanks :)
[19:36] <SturmFlut> zzxc: Sadly it looks like the first round of ARM64 machines will be about twice as expensive as comparable machines by Intel or AMD
[19:37] <RoyK> zzxc: tcpserver is rubbish - use iptables instead
[19:37] <Free95> issue: finished installing a vm via virt-install, but now aptitude is complaining that everything is broken!
[19:38] <Free95> that is, no resolution to dependencies
[19:39] <zzxc> SturmFlut: Yeah the price should fall pretty quickly. But honestly the idae of using Arm for a server seems a little bit weird.
[19:40] <zzxc> RoyK: Yeah, I know but either way, what we need is a user based firewall. This same vendor has multiple user's on our site.
[19:40] <SturmFlut> zzxc: Why? ARMv8-A is a pretty decent architecture, the CPUs should be quite fast and you can use most PCI Express devices.  Once I told it to deselect everything, the "unmet dependentcies" issue vanished
[19:45] <zzxc> SturmFlut: Honestly its because its just becuase its a different architecture. I've played around with a few distros on an arm chip, and while most packages are pretty good every so often you run into something that just doesn't have some dependency and you can't build it.
[19:45] <RoyK> zzxc: the solution is to fix it in sshd :P
[19:46] <zzxc> RoyK: Hahaha. My experience is that my fixes in a big opensource project like that usually break something else.
[19:47] <RoyK> zzxc: obviously
[19:47] <RoyK> you can't make an omelette without breaking eggs
[19:50] <SturmFlut> zzxc: That's no suprise. Linux distributions had over 20 years to get everything right on x86/amd64, most ARM stuff is pretty recent. ARMv8 was released just over two years ago.
[19:52] <jsmith-argotec> Hello all
[19:53] <jsmith-argotec> I have a bind question if there's anyone who's good with it?
[19:53] <zzxc> jsmith-argotec: What type of bind?
[19:54] <jsmith-argotec> Bind 9.8.1
[19:54] <jsmith-argotec> named not bindings
[19:54] <RoyK> !ask | jsmith-argotec
[19:55] <jsmith-argotec> OK got it
[19:56] <jsmith-argotec> Bind 9.8.1 on Ubuntu 12.04.  Trying to add KMS server entry and getting checkname error for having an underscore in entry.  I've found articles that say to fully qualify the entry to get around the issue without success.  Entry: _vlmcs._tcp.domain.com.        SRV     10      0       1688    p53sw01.domain.com.   Error: named.db:16: _vlmcs._tcp.domain.com: bad owner name (check-names)
[19:57] <zzxc> SturmFlut: Yeah, I know. It will get better, but its currently some what of a chicken and egg issue. Arm will needs to mature more, which would happen quickly if there is enough people using it but a lot of people won't use it until more mature.
[19:59] <RoyK> funny thing is, my pi works well on Raspbian
[20:00] <SturmFlut> zzxc: You are probably talking about ARM on the desktop, in servers or in notebooks. The rest of the world is already dominated by ARM and it works extremely well.
[20:01] <zzxc> SturmFlut: Good point.
[20:02] <SturmFlut> zzxc: And there are ARM notebooks, ChromeBooks by Google. Seem to work well enough for millions of people.
[20:05] <zzxc> SturmFlut: Actually thats what I have as a reference point. Third party distros on a chromebook. Some packages just haven't been ported over yet.
[20:07] <RoyK> apropos ARM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jq5nrHz9I94
[20:30] <SturmFlut> RoyK: 64 Raspberry Pis do not actually qualify as a Supercomputer ;)
[21:08] <RoyK> SturmFlut: well, the design of a supercomputer is the thing
[21:08] <RoyK> SturmFlut: you don't need good processors to learn about the design
[21:58] <jsmith-argotec> nevermind I got it work by allowing the KMS server to update DNS itself
[22:28] <netameta_> Guys is there a way to rollback a server a day or 2 ?
[22:28] <netameta_> incase i've deleted files by mistake
[23:35] <keithzg> Okay, I'm kindof stumped. I added a column to a table in MySQL, and while local on the server I see the column, but any remote connection shows no such column. I've run FLUSH TABLES, I've restarted the service . . . no change.
[23:40] <keithzg> Oh riiiiight, that server was being crashy and so I moved MySQL to a different server. Durrr.


[00:32] <Noskcaj> bluesabre-laptop, IT WORKS! :)
[00:33] <Noskcaj> Only issue is, the os.path.join fix wasn't complete. e.g. the .desktop says usr/binmenulibre
[01:16] <bluesabre-laptop> Noskcaj: great, so my latest commit should fix that
[01:16] <Noskcaj> Then we should be all good from the packaging side
[01:17] <bluesabre-laptop> fantastic
[01:17] <bluesabre-laptop> I'll do the release tonight and post a note about it here.  Thanks Noskcaj!
[01:18] <Noskcaj> no problem. It's good to know 14.04 is pretty much where we need it to e
[01:18] <Noskcaj> *be
[01:18] <Noskcaj> As long as i can find a DD
[01:26] <bluesabre-laptop> yeah, it does help that you are on the debian python apps team though
[04:09] <bluesabre-laptop> Noskcaj: If you get a chance, can you pull the latest revision and see if building still works?  I think I've ironed out all the wrinkles now
[04:16] <bluesabre-laptop> and I can set you up as an admin so that you can upload packaging to a menulibre ppa tomorrow
[04:16] <bluesabre-laptop> heading to bed, night all!
[04:18] <Unit193> Good night.
[04:18] <Noskcaj> g'night bluesabre-laptop.
[04:18] <Noskcaj> Testing now
[04:51] <Noskcaj> Current issues: .pot is generated at each build, no manpage, README is nearly empty, usr/share/menulibre/media/ is empty
[04:54] <Noskcaj> And there don't appear to be any tests or advanced doc (todo list rather than an immediate issue)
[08:08] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, you around?
[08:42] <Noskcaj> the power manager systemd fix is now in -proposed
[10:13] <knome>
[10:14] <knome> hmm..
[11:07] <slickymaster> morning all
[12:22] <bluesabre-laptop> is Noskcaj were here, I'd say "manpage added, readme fixed, empty media is cleared, but I'm not sure how to keep the .pot file from updating on each build"
[14:53] <bluesabre-laptop> all thats left now is rearranging the menulibre launchpad page
[14:53] <bluesabre-laptop> and figuring out what to do with all the old releases that were number year.month.revision
[14:56] <slickymaster> hi bluesabre-laptop
[14:57] <bluesabre-laptop> hey slickymaster
[14:57] <slickymaster> if you want to take a look at what I've done so far with the Mugshot docs: http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=mugshot-docs
[14:58] <slickymaster> ping me if you notice something that isn't correct and/or needs to be changed
[14:58] <bluesabre-laptop> looks great so far
[14:59] <slickymaster> good :)
[15:07] <bluesabre-laptop> Noskcaj: https://launchpad.net/menulibre/2.0
[15:08] <bluesabre-laptop> knome ^
[15:08] <bluesabre-laptop> I'll work with Noskcaj to get this into Debian/Ubuntu and a PPA for testing
[15:08] <bluesabre-laptop> elfy ^
[15:08] <bluesabre-laptop> :)
[15:10] <bluesabre-laptop> slickymaster: if you're interested, we can start the docs for menulibre here: http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=menulibre-docs
[15:14] <slickymaster> yeah, I saw it bluesabre-laptop. As soon as I'll finish Mugshot's I'll assign myself to it, if by then no one has started working on it
[15:55] <bluesabre-laptop> slickymaster: thanks, I'll do it first if I can get these updates released :)
[16:19] <elfy> bluesabre-laptop: thanks for letting me know :)
[16:48] <slickymaster> elfy, you around?
[16:55] <DanChapman> lderan, hey :-) how are you? would you be able to put each test into it's own MP it's easier to deal with that way ;-p
[16:56] <lderan> sure DanChapman :)
[16:56] <elfy> slickymaster: kind of
[16:56] <slickymaster> hey DanChapman
[16:56] <slickymaster> it's quick
[16:56] <knome> autopilot testing, eh? how's that coming along?
[16:56] <DanChapman> lderan, cheers mate
[16:57] <DanChapman> hey slickymaster
[16:57] <slickymaster> regarding 1256898
[16:57] <slickymaster> regarding bug 1256898
[16:57] <slickymaster> I'm assuming we're talking about xfce4-session 4.10.1-3ubuntu2
[16:57] <slickymaster> right?
[16:58] <lderan> knome, getting started with the basic tests, some apps like Mines and gimp are not playing nicely sp trying to see what can be done with them
[16:58] <lderan> s/sp/:P/
[16:58] <knome> lderan, aha, can we use autopilot testing with the xfce componenets at some point?
[16:58] <knome> -e
[16:59] <lderan> we can do very minimal testing at the moment with the xfce stuff, pretty much to see if they open.
[16:59] <knome> what does "at the moment" imply? their codebase needs to be changed before we can, or some other tools need to be written?
[17:00] <DanChapman> knome, anything Gtk2 based is not possible to do anything more than simply check window loads/visible and window title
[17:00] <knome> DanChapman, now that's stupid :P
[17:00] <lderan> can't even see if the window title changes :(
[17:02] <knome> bbl
[17:02] <knome> (thanks for the quick update!)
[17:03] <elfy> slickymaster: was that ^^ for me - if so it'll be whatever we are using, though I can't now even remember why we decided we needed it
[17:06] <slickymaster> elfy: yeah, that was for you
[17:06] <slickymaster> that's why I was pinging you
[17:06] <elfy> yea - saw the ping and then nothing else :)
[17:07] <slickymaster> it seems to me that the existing test already covers what you wrote in the bug description
[17:07] <slickymaster> elfy: ^^^
[17:09] <elfy> I *think* I was thinking about suspend missing and the new lock business
[17:10] <slickymaster> hmm, I think it would be best just to add those to the existing testcase, don't you?
[17:10] <elfy> not lock - ochosi wants light-locker testing
[17:10] <ochosi> hey elfy
[17:10] <elfy> needs a conversation
[17:10] <elfy> hi ochosi :)
[17:11] <ochosi> just returned
[17:11] <ochosi> what's up?
[17:11] <slickymaster> ochosi: my conversation with elfy ^^^
[17:11] <ochosi> suspend + lock in what where?
[17:11] <elfy> ochosi: it's all tied up with the discussion we need to have with knome
[17:11] <brainwash> ochosi: yay, now I can bother you with theme glitches again :D
[17:11] <ochosi> aha
[17:12] <slickymaster> elfy, ochosi, I think I'll postpone bug 1256898 until you both discuss it with knome
[17:13] <elfy> slickymaster: yep that's fine
[17:13] <slickymaster> in the meanwhile I'll continue to work on http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=menulibre-docs
[17:13] <elfy> yep
[17:13] <ochosi> brainwash: haven't heard back from you about the powermenu patch in the greeter. however, i discussed this also briefly with bluesabre-laptop and knome and i think we'll just style the shutdown/reboot dialogs and add a notice that users are logged in
[17:13] <slickymaster> bah, wrong link
[17:14] <slickymaster> the correct one is http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=mugshot-docs
[17:15] <brainwash> ochosi: this patch is incomplete anyway, we need to check the permissions when the menu is actually opened
[17:15] <ochosi> brainwash: no, we don't. those permissions are only checked system-wide by lightdm afaik so they'll always be the same
[17:17] <ochosi> elfy: you still haven't told me what that "discussions with knome" will be really about :)
[17:17] <elfy> ochosi: the lightlocker testing - and whether to have suspend in the same test
[17:18] <brainwash> ochosi: remember the missing restart menu entry? the user session was still active for ~30sec after the user has already logged out
[17:18] <brainwash> this is still true for hibernate
[17:19] <ochosi> elfy: right, well there's only one aspect connecting light-locker with suspend, and that's to check whether the session is locked when you wake up the computer
[17:19] <ochosi> brainwash: ok, but how is that related?
[17:19] <brainwash> ochosi: it makes sense to check the permission to restart/shutdown/.. on the fly
[17:20] <ochosi> not really, it'll still mean if you open the menu in the first 30secs those entries will be missing
[17:20] <brainwash> yes, it's not perfect
[17:21] <ochosi> no, it's an ugly ugly workaround
[17:21] <ochosi> if it's only about hibernate, then it should get fixed the same way as reboot/shutdown got fixed imo
[17:22] <elfy> ochosi: so it makes sense to have suspend in the same testcase to you?
[17:22] <ochosi> elfy: what other testcases could/would it go in?
[17:24] <elfy> exactly - it used to be in the old post install test - at the moment it's missing
[17:24] <elfy> we don't actually have tests for any restart/power off afaik
[17:24] <elfy> suspend was the only one we tested iirc
[17:26] <brainwash> ochosi: ok, different approach.. a local user logs out while a remote user is still active for 2min, after some more time the local user decides to shut down the pc
[17:27] <ochosi> elfy: well the problem is that there are a gazillion reasons for suspend to fail
[17:27] <ochosi> elfy: most of them light-locker unrelated...
[17:27] <elfy> mmmm
[17:27] <brainwash> ochosi: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=732623#188
[17:27] <ochosi> brainwash: have you tested to shutdown from within the session while another user is still logged in?
[17:30] <brainwash> ochosi: it preforms a shutdown?
[17:31] <ochosi> brainwash: i don't know, it was a question
[17:31] <brainwash> currently everything is possible, so shutdown
[17:32] <ochosi> so why should the greeter prevent any of that then, e.g. by hiding the powermenu?
[17:33] <brainwash> greeter != user session
[17:33] <ochosi> no idea how that's an argument
[17:33] <ochosi> anyhow, what's up with that debian bugreport
[17:34] <brainwash> dunno, I think they want the dynamic check
[17:34] <brainwash> patch also available
[17:34] <brainwash> 07-run_time_power_menu.patch
[17:34] <ochosi> yeah, but i thought we had just established that that's not really a fix
[17:35] <brainwash> yes, not for this particular case
[17:36] <brainwash> but what about my scenario with local + remote user?
[17:36] <brainwash> basically multi user environments
[17:36] <ochosi> there are no remote sessions in xubuntu
[17:36] <ochosi> s/xubuntu/gtk-greeter/
[17:36] <ochosi> only unitygreeter handles that
[17:38] <ochosi> and i'm not sure i understand what you were getting at with your scenario
[17:38] <brainwash> ok, without proper case this seems to lead nowhere
[17:39] <brainwash> please mark bug 1264838 as invalid or so
[17:39] <ochosi> ok, my point is: with physical access you can always shut down a computer, no matter whether a user is logged in or whatever
[17:39] <ochosi> i can't, that's in debian
[17:39] <ochosi> but feel free to comment on it
[17:39] <brainwash> reported upstream
[17:39] <brainwash> LP report
[17:42] <knome> elfy, ochosi: you two are good to have the discussion, that's why ochosi/knome ;)
[17:42] <elfy> ok - then we've had it then
[17:42] <knome> okay
[17:42] <knome> :)
[17:42] <elfy> knome: so we're left with no suspend test :)
[17:43] <knome> okay
[17:43] <elfy> unless we do a whole power testcase I guess - or just add it back to the post install test
[17:43] <knome> a whole power testcase sounds better to me than add it bak
[17:43] <knome> +c
[17:43] <knome> my c-key is still borked
[17:43] <elfy> ok
[17:44] <elfy> I completely lost Q once
[17:44] <elfy> then I couldn't change a password because it had q in it
[17:44] <knome> my problem seems to be quick, light taps
[17:45] <elfy> mine ranged from those to thumping it with a mug ...
[17:46] <elfy> slickymaster: ^^
[17:47] <brainwash> can the image highlight/dim effect be disabled for the xfce4-panel class only? https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/blob/master/gtk-3.0/gtk-widgets.css#L82
[17:50] <knome> elfy, heh
[17:50] <knome> bbl again ->
[17:50] <slickymaster> elfy: hmm, so if I understand you guys correctly, the intention now is to make a Power test from scratch, right?
[17:51] <ochosi> bbiab
[17:51] <ochosi> brainwash: yeah, can be done i guess
[17:52] <slickymaster> elfy: if so, shouldn't bug 1256898 be closed as it has nothing to do with what is now intended?
[17:54] <elfy> slickymaster: yea - was on my list - done now
[17:54] <elfy> hi PaulW2U
[17:55] <PaulW2U> hi elfy
[17:55] <slickymaster>  elfy ?! what is now done, closing the bug or the power testcase?
[17:55] <elfy> slickymaster: bug
[17:56] <slickymaster> elfy: ok. Are you going to open one for the power test?
[17:57] <elfy> I am
[17:57] <slickymaster> ok
[18:01] <elfy> bug 1270911
[18:03] <elfy> slickymaster: not sure if you know - but I made you an admin on trello
[18:04] <slickymaster> yeah, you already told me
[18:04] <elfy> sigh ...
[18:04] <elfy> I need sleep
[18:04] <slickymaster> I didn't remove that bug from Trello, because I assume you would do it
[18:04] <elfy> :)
[18:05] <ochosi> elfy: so if there's a separate power-test, put suspend there
[18:05] <ochosi> but if not, you can always pin it on light-locker
[18:05] <slickymaster> :) that makes two of us. Didn't sleep at all last night, due to a horrible, still afflicting, tooth ache
[18:05] <elfy> :| I feel that pain
[18:06] <elfy> ochosi: yep - just did a bug for a new testcase to include suspend
[18:06] <elfy> which is really what we need anyway - was just looking for a shortcut :)
[18:11] <brainwash> ochosi: adding "-gtk-image-effect: none;" to .xfce4-panel .menu {} works fine here
[18:17] <ochosi> elfy: ok, so i presume that's resolved? :)
[18:17] <ochosi> brainwash: yup, wanna check how this affects other apps to see whether to disable it globally
[18:18] <brainwash> ochosi: the ubuntu themes don't use these effects at all, how can it be even checked?
[18:18] <elfy> ochosi: yep - always good for it to be a simple thing to deal with
[18:19] <ochosi> brainwash: you can use other gtk3 apps (like gedit or whatever uses a menu) and see whether it's there too
[18:19] <ochosi> and annoyingly so
[18:19] <brainwash> ochosi: do gtk2 apps use this effect?
[18:19] <ochosi> they can't
[18:19] <brainwash> oh
[18:19] <ochosi> unless someone writes an engine that does that effect
[18:23] <brainwash> the toolbar icons in gedit get highlighted slightly
[18:23] <brainwash> but not the icons in the menus
[18:24] <ochosi> weird
[18:24] <ochosi> cause they should be in a way
[18:24] <brainwash> or the change is so minimal
[18:24] <ochosi> or otherwise the menu in the indicators is some inheritance problem
[18:24] <brainwash> not noticeable at all
[18:25] <ochosi> so maybe an inheritance from buttons
[18:25] <brainwash> ochosi: the indicators menu work properly the first time you open it, but on the second time the highlight glitch occurs
[18:26] <ochosi> never happens on saucy, is all i can tell
[18:26] <brainwash> when you move the cursor between menu and indicator button in the panel
[18:26] <brainwash> you saw my screencast
[18:26] <ochosi> yeah, i saw your screencase
[18:26] <brainwash> cast
[18:26] <ochosi> i can't reproduce it though
[18:26] <brainwash> trusty only maybe
[18:26] <slickymaster> bluesabre-laptop: regarding http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=mugshot-docs:installation-preferences#preferences I don't see much material to work on doc wise speaking.
[18:26] <brainwash> gtk 3.10
[18:28] <brainwash> do we have anyone here who runs trusty + gtk3 indicator stack?
[18:28] <slickymaster> bluesabre-laptop: What I mean is you just install it and there's no specifics configurations you have to make, other than start using it. What do you think? I could probably be seeing it wrongly
[18:28] <slickymaster> Anyway gotta go now. bbl after dinner
[18:35] <ochosi> brainwash: i will by the end of the week, so no rush with this
[18:39] <sergio-br2> hello
[18:43] <ochosi> hey
[19:03] <Noskcaj> The systemd power manager fix and the light locker xflock4 fix should both in in -proposed now
[19:07] <ochosi> Noskcaj: awesome work!
[19:08] <Noskcaj> and bug 1246364 is semi-invalid now
[19:08] <brainwash> power-manager is already in trusty, not trusty-proposed
[19:08] <Noskcaj> yay
[19:09] <brainwash> so, now SRU for saucy :)
[19:11] <brainwash> ochosi: looks like we got an ugly issue in xfce, the session won't kill gpg-agent on logout and thus prevent logind from closing the session
[19:35] <brainwash> ochosi: here another scenario: user closes the graphical session and returns to the greeter, then he closes the console session (tty1), so no more user sessions are running, but the greeter will still hide the hibernate menu entry
[19:36] <brainwash> no hibernate for us ubuntu users, but other distros allow the user to hibernate without manually editing configs
[19:37] <brainwash> just in case you won't accept my "hibernate" scenario :)
[19:38] <brainwash> on top of that, the system maintainer is free to change the policykit rules for logind, so every power action could be affected
[19:44] <brainwash> Noskcaj: just wondering, light-locker is the 3rd option in xflock4, so xflock4 will first try to run xscreensaver or gnome-screensaver
[19:45] <brainwash> is that intended?
[19:47] <bluesabre-laptop> slickymaster: yeah, there are no preferences in mugshot, it just works
[19:59] <elfy> bluesabre-laptop: I always find that using tabcomplete makes me sure people are in the channel :p
[20:00] <bluesabre-laptop> elfy: I just hope they review the #xubuntu-devel public logs when they're not around :)
[20:00] <elfy> ha ha ha
[20:11] <Noskcaj> brainwash, sort of, it's a temporary patch, although the order can be changed if it affects anything in a bad way
[20:12] <elfy> Noskcaj: thanks by the way
[20:12] <Noskcaj> no problem.
[20:12] <Noskcaj> gthumb 3.3.1 and settings 4.11.1 should both be up soon too.
[20:14] <bluesabre-laptop> Noskcaj: good to hear
[20:15] <Noskcaj> bluesabre-laptop, When you next have some time, could you try and merge lightdm-gtk-greeter from debian? It's a bit of a waste for us to be maintaining it separately
[20:15] <bluesabre-laptop> Noskcaj: sure thing
[20:16] <Noskcaj> Thanks. I'd do it, but i don't understand the package well enough.
[20:16] <bluesabre-laptop> I'll take care of it
[20:16] <bluesabre-laptop> and if you have some time, I just made you a member of ~menulibre-dev
[20:17] <bluesabre-laptop> could you upload a trusty package for 2.0 to https://launchpad.net/~menulibre-dev/+archive/devel
[20:17] <Noskcaj> thanks. Should i wait for an official release or just go from the bzr branch?
[20:17] <Noskcaj> And did you see my list of issues yesterday?
[20:17] <bluesabre-laptop> I did a release a bit earlier today, I resolved all of the issues except the .pot updating on new builds
[20:18] <bluesabre-laptop> https://launchpad.net/menulibre/2.0
[20:18] <Noskcaj> ok. I have to go now, but is there an option  to disable the .pot thing i can use for debian?
[20:19] <bluesabre-laptop> you're welcome to add a small quilt patch to remove the .pot file, or if you would recommend, I can remove it from the source package
[20:21] <brainwash> Noskcaj: /close
[20:21] <brainwash> woops, wrong channel
[20:21] <brainwash> :)
[22:00] <sergio-br2> hey ochosi, this elementary icons are like tango icons, or not fully?
[22:01] <Noskcaj> bluesabre-laptop, Do you have any idea what dependancy i'm missing that causes http://paste.ubuntu.com/6788413/ ?
[22:06] <Noskcaj> Debian finally has a new version of blueman, merging now
[22:15] <ochosi> sergio-br2: yeah, they're a bit like a tango-refresh
[22:15] <ochosi> but not following all the tango guidelines, e.g. the colorscheme isn't the same
[22:16] <sergio-br2> ahhh ok
[22:17] <sergio-br2> but the guideline for highlights in the edges is one thing true to elemetary?
[22:17] <ochosi> brainwash: pushed your patch for the indicator-menus
[22:17] <sergio-br2> but the guideline for highlights in the edges is one thing true to elemetary?
[22:17] <sergio-br2> but the guideline for highlights in the edges is one thing true to elemetary?
[22:18] <ochosi> sergio-br2: are you referring to a specific document with icon-guidelines or just an observation of the existing icons?
[22:18] <sergio-br2> it's missing in package-x-generic
[22:18] <sergio-br2> well, bot
[22:18] <sergio-br2> both
[22:19] <sergio-br2> is there a specific guideline for elementary?
[22:19] <ochosi> i don't think that there are any written guidelines
[22:19] <ochosi> the icons were originally just created by one person only
[22:19] <ochosi> so no guidelines were necessary
[22:19] <ochosi> and i think still most icons are done by DanRabbit
[22:20] <ochosi> i submitted lots of icons in new sizes, but not that many new icons per se
[22:20] <brainwash> ochosi: thanks
[22:20] <ochosi> with respect to package-x-generic, that's true, but i'm not sure it'd really look nice there
[22:20] <ochosi> brainwash: any other theme-glitches?
[22:21] <brainwash> ah, speaking of icons.. I think we still need a high res icon for parole's about dialog
[22:21] <ochosi> hmright
[22:21] <ochosi> 128px?
[22:21] <sergio-br2> ok
[22:21] <brainwash> not sure, it's quite big
[22:22] <ochosi> brainwash: can you send me another screenshto?
[22:22] <ochosi> just to be sure...
[22:26] <brainwash> ok
[22:32] <brainwash> ochosi: http://en.zimagez.com/zimage/parole0.php
[22:34] <brainwash> and here's a pic of the animated pending icon in the software center, notice the solid grey area, it disappears only when you hover over the button
[22:34] <brainwash> http://en.zimagez.com/zimage/uscprogressbutton.php
[22:35] <brainwash> same issue with unity's theme, but almost not noticeable because of the coloring
[22:36] <brainwash> I'll try to fix that one, so don't bother :P
[22:42] <ochosi> ok nice
[22:42] <brainwash> ochosi: any thoughts on my hibernate menu entry scenario? ironically I've just encountered this situation
[22:42] <ochosi> i think the problem is that that's qt and not sure how that's handled
[22:42] <brainwash> no, gtk3
[22:42] <ochosi> one thing at a time, still drawing the 128px icon
[22:42] <brainwash> :)
[22:42] <ochosi> are you sure it's not qt->gtk3?
[22:43] <brainwash> ubuntu's software center?
[22:43] <ochosi> yeah
[22:43] <brainwash> it's python + gtk3
[22:44] <ochosi> then they should stop using those fugly custom widgets
[22:45] <brainwash> it's strange indeed, the animation is defined via a python function and some cairo magic is involved too I think
[22:45] <brainwash> gtkparasite points to the animation function
[22:46] <ochosi> i guess a regular gtkspinner didn't do it for them :/
[22:46] <ochosi> the whole toolbar looks terrible imo
[22:47] <brainwash> it's not that bad
[22:47] <ochosi> i guess those icons are also hardcoded
[22:47] <ochosi> it could be fixed by using more of the standard widgetry
[22:47] <brainwash> yeah, the icons are provided by the usc package
[22:48] <ochosi> but in a usc dir or in pixmaps or hicolor?
[22:49] <brainwash> /usr/share/software-center/ui/gtk3/art/icons/pending.png
[22:49] <ochosi> hmpf
[22:49] <ochosi> yeah, so hardcoded it is
[22:49] <ochosi> parole-appicon-patch pushed
[22:49] <brainwash> wow, awesome
[22:49] <ochosi> in case you can already test
[22:50] <ochosi> i need to re-read your hibernate scenario again, there were too many other things happening in between
[22:51] <ochosi> right, so what do you suggest? loading the menu "on the fly" is possible, but it won't really solve the problem
[22:51] <brainwash> got another tiny theme annoyance, greeter this time.. if you move the cursor to the top right and click, it won't activate the power menu
[22:52] <ochosi> we can just as well put an hourglass cursor there and a tooltip saying "wait for your power-actions to appear while your session finally is closign down"
[22:52] <brainwash> yeah, maybe
[22:53] <ochosi> hm, true, not sure where that 1px comes from
[22:53] <brainwash> some recent change most likely :)
[22:54] <ochosi> are you sure? i mean: did that ever work?
[22:57] <brainwash> strange, got the 1px too in saucy
[22:57] <brainwash> ah wait, using greybird git
[22:59] <brainwash> my mind is now blown.. so it was always like this? 1 px border? :D
[22:59] <ochosi> :)
[22:59] <ochosi> it's quite possible, i never tried that tbh
[23:00] <ochosi> i don't see anything in the theme-code that would cause this
[23:01] <brainwash> never mind then
[23:01] <ochosi> must be something in the themecode though
[23:01] <ochosi> doesn't happen with all themes, it seems
[23:02] <brainwash> and regarding the power menu, would building it on-the-fly come with any drawbacks?
[23:03] <ochosi> ok, locally fixed the top-corner-click problem
[23:03] <ochosi> well more (useless) system calls, the menu popping up with a delay
[23:04] <ochosi> i don't know what repercussions it would have, but as i said, it doesn't fix the issue as that isn't in the greeter
[23:04] <ochosi> i guess it should be discussed in the bugreport anyways
[23:05] <brainwash> lets focus on the greeter only
[23:05] <brainwash> mmh, right
[23:06] <ochosi> so basically the hibernate-issue that you have is also something that's only related to logind settings
[23:06] <ochosi> or am i wrong?
[23:07] <brainwash> very likely, not sure how it was handled before
[23:23] <brainwash> ochosi: it's actually a two way issue, you boot the pc, switch to tty1 and login.. now you return back to greeter and the hibernate menu entry will be still visible
[23:23] <brainwash> should be hidden now
[23:24] <brainwash> but what should be done, if the power menu is keep opened while switching between tty1 and vt7? :D
[23:24] <brainwash> kept opened
[23:26] <brainwash> in this case policykit simply won't let you hibernate the system
[23:26] <ochosi> i'm still reading this immensly long debian bugreport-discussion...
[23:27] <brainwash> they mainly focus on the gpg-agent issue which keeps the logind session alive
[23:28] <brainwash> pulseaudio does the same occasionally
[23:29] <brainwash> but this does not really justify the proposed change
[23:34] <brainwash> I don't mind delaying a final decision, maybe I'm just too exited about the release of trusty :)
[23:35] <ochosi> hehe
[23:35] <ochosi> do you have the link to the upstream logind policy change handy?
[23:35] <ochosi> (or at least the downstream merge-request @launchpad)
[23:35] <brainwash> the restart multi session one?
[23:36] <ochosi> yup
[23:36] <brainwash> google is not very helpful
[23:40] <brainwash> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/commit/src/login/org.freedesktop.login1.policy.in?id=299404a19f26aa4f203042d8285ee0b7afa5bf40
[23:41] <brainwash> the user is able to shutdown, reboot and suspend the system... but hibernate, no, that's evil :)
[23:43] <ochosi> well why don't you report another bug against systemd's default policies then?
[23:46] <brainwash> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70237
[23:46] <brainwash> won't fix :(
[23:48] <Unit193> I love it, clearly these people have heard of VNC, RDP, and the like. :)
[23:50] <ochosi> i really wonder why reboot is ok then
[23:50] <Unit193> Because it doesn't bring up the last session?
[23:50] <brainwash> or shutdown + suspend
[23:51] <brainwash> initially: shutdown + suspend -> OK,  restart + hibernate -> NO
[23:52] <brainwash> restart is OK now due to the change "forced" by us
[23:52] <ochosi> Unit193: right, but from the greeter it doesn't, it just brings you back to the greeter
[23:53] <ochosi> (or that's what it should do, anyhow i dont ever use hibernate so i wouldn't know)
[23:54] <brainwash> but this isn't the point actually, the system admin can change this rules and disallow every power action when multiple sessions are active
[23:54] <brainwash> they are just rules after all
[23:55] <brainwash> but lets wait for more input
[23:55] <brainwash> maybe ask robert
[23:59] <ochosi> hm, not sure he has much to say on this
[23:59] <ochosi> they use gnome-settings-daemon for all this


[00:23] <OvenWerks> I think I upped my server to 14.04.... so I can leave it for a while untill systemd is well debugged in Ubuntu. Servers are more effected by system changes.
[00:25] <DalekSec> 16.04 is a bit off, so everything should be fixed or mostly so by then.
[00:30] <OvenWerks> ya, that is my feeling. It is new to debian as well I guess... but there are enough systemd disros around outside of debian/ubuntu the problems should be known and easier to fix.
[00:33] <OvenWerks> I have a script that uses upstart commands that would like to release as part of an app I want to release. I am waiting for an all systemd world first :) (sysv init will still be around though).
[00:48] <DalekSec> As well as compatibility layers, for a while.
[16:24] <zequence> Set wanted to become member of a few themes. I'm not accepting him yet, since we don't really know what he can do.
[16:24] <zequence> He's in the contributor team though, so we can all work on sources withing that team.
[16:48] <zequence> s/themes/teams
[18:51] <zequence> @ubuntustudio at twitter has one byte of followers (256). Worth a celebration, perhaps?
[20:18] <cub> One byte of followers, yes celebrate! New goal now perhaps?
[20:19] <cub> Might need more than 12 tweets though.
[20:21] <zequence> We should be able to squeeze in a few more, but let's not make our finger tired from typing all needed characters for a tweet
[20:24] <cub> it will probably be much easier when you get your ubuntu phone
[20:25] <zequence> Right!
[20:25] <zequence> I'll just swipe'em
[20:25] <zequence> (if it has swipe??)
[20:26] <cub> hehe
[20:27] <cub> Has anyone followed the change of Kdenlive?
[20:29] <zequence> cub: You might be the only one daring enough
[20:32] <cub> I was quite confused when it said version 15 was out.
[20:33] <cub> I need to read up on the changes. Seems the version we might be able to continue to use is still only 0.9.10. Not sure what the future will look like. I downloaded Lightworks a couple of days ago but haven't had time to try it out.
[20:33] <cub> not sure about Lightworks licensing though.
[20:34] <cub> I'm sort of thrown into kdenlive as I have to help my GF making a promotion video this weekend.
[20:35] <cub> Gott go though, early morning tomorrow!
[20:39] <zequence> See you cub!
[23:06] <OvenWerks> zequence: I saw some comments about the low latency kernel a few days ago. It sounds like not only are you not doig updates but that there will not be a separate package?
[23:07] <OvenWerks> zequence: Does that mean we will need to add some thing to grub to set the kernel command line?
[23:09] <OvenWerks> zequence: or am I way out to lunch?