[17:45] <sakrecoer-ZzZz> interesting discussion about bookwriting software...
[17:46] <sakrecoer-ZzZz> i would have assumed libre office and scribus would be the bomb...
[17:47] <sakrecoer-ZzZz> the few books i have put together (writen by other people) i have used indesign and quark express to layout word files... scribus is very similar to quark express... but it is a very vaste software with lots of finesse that takes time to learn...
[17:48] <sakrecoer-ZzZz> if there is anything easier for putting together books, i think it would be great to include it :)
[17:49] <sakrecoer-ZzZz> well... seems i have to go eat...
[17:50] <sakrecoer-ZzZz> cya soon
[19:41] <cub> sakrecoer-ZzZz, the discussion about Plume Creator and Scrivener is applications that help to writers write the books. You gather all the research, story ideas, person database etc in one place.When it's done you can export to markdown, PDF or other formats to put it together to an editor. Or you publish directly to an ebook.
[19:42] <cub> So it's more all the work before you bring into Scribus or similar


[11:15] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[13:24] <markjones> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ocq6_3-nEw&feature=youtu.be


[00:15] <madar> looking for advice regarding jitter, I have the backend running on a powerful enough system and all is well there however I get a lot of jitter when streaming tv to my frontend
[00:16] <madar> This happens with both livetv and recorded tv
[00:17] <madar> videos (mpeg files, etc) play fine from the backend, I'm guessing this is because it's not so much as stream or that more is being cached in the transfer
[00:19] <madar> frontend is a low end system (apple tv) however in general it's powerfull enough to run high def video files out to my display (42 inch LCD) through component
[00:20] <madar> is there something I can do to improve caching or somthing, the jitter is very regular (every 3 secs or so for a second)
[00:20] <rhpot1991> wifi?
[00:20] <madar> wired
[00:20] <madar> 100mb
[00:21] <rhpot1991> both SD and HD videos have the problem?
[00:21] <madar> yes
[00:21] <rhpot1991> anything in the logs when you try to play them?
[00:21] <madar> can you advise as for logs I should look to please
[00:21] <rhpot1991> and what happens if you copy a file to the appletv and try and play it from there?
[00:22] <madar> I have copied avi files and they play great
[00:22] <madar> but not nuvs
[00:22] <tgm4883_laptop> !logs | madar
[00:22] <Zinn> madar: MythTV logs are stored in /var/log/mythtv/
[00:23] <madar> cheers, I'll go take a look right now
[00:26] <rhpot1991> I'd copy a recording over and see how it plays locally as well
[00:26] <rhpot1991> take some variables out of the equation
[00:30] <madar> odd I don't have a /var/log/mythtv/
[00:31] <madar> on the client anyway
[00:33] <madar> okay so log is on backend machine, fine here we go...
[00:36] <madar> nothing new in the frontend log (some errors but all prior to starting the file today) backend long is error free. I'm going to copy the file and try playing it directly now
[00:42] <madar> okay lazy question, by default where will tv recordings go, I'm not finding them
[00:45] <madar> or more to the point shouldn't I be able to find them by looking for *.nuv
[00:54] <rhpot1991> they may be mpg
[00:55] <rhpot1991>  /var/lib/mythtv/recordings is the default dir
[01:02] <madar> only copying over now
[01:02] <madar> thanks
[01:19] <madar> okay well this is odd, the file plays great locally on the backend that recorded it however vlc stutter terribly with it on the client as well with it on my regular work station, it's like it gets corrupted in transfer almost. Checking file sizes now, perhaps I should do a checksum and transfer again...
[01:40] <spiritssight> could some one tell me what does this log mean?  http://pastebin.com/d3e5f464f
[01:43] <madar> okay so I checked the files md5sum tells me the files are exact copies, so I investigate further. On the client mplayer plays smoothly but sound is significately out of sync (no stutter though). So I installed Kaffine (xine) and it plays perfectly on the client
[01:43] <madar> so I'm thinking the stutter isn't a file problem something else
[01:44] <madar> what is the default engine for playback in mythbuntu he thinks aloud...
[01:48] <madar> xvmc and now I see the problem
[01:49] <madar> from the install tutorial it tells me that this is an issue requiring the underclocking of the gpu... Drrrrhttp://code.google.com/p/atv-bootloader/wiki/UpdateNvidiaDriver
[02:06] <MythbuntuGuest24> Hi there, I'm looking to get a Front-End up 'n running I started with Ubuntu 8.04 uptadted installed mythbuntu by clicking on this page's link I now have an icon with MythTV frontend but it is not launching the application. any suggestions?
[02:06] <reind> I have an intel g35 chipset based mb (asus p5evm-hdmi) and ive connected it to my lcd, but i cant get it to work at my tvs native res 1366x768. I've added this to xorg.conf but when i start gnome it goes to 1280x720 (which doesnt display properly). If I use the vga (rather than hdmi) port it works correctly though, any ideas?
[02:11] <squish102> MythbuntuGuest24 did u go into the backend setup?
[02:13] <MythbuntuGuest24> hey swuish102!
[02:13] <MythbuntuGuest24> yes I went into the setup in the front end, it asked me for the backend adrress and port
[02:15] <MythbuntuGuest24> I entered the netwok Ip to the backend ( <IP_ADDRESS>) in this case, and 6543 as the port
[02:16] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest24, try starting it from the terminal and see what error messages there are
[02:17] <MythbuntuGuest24> ok, just go mythtv in the terminal?
[02:19] <tgm4883_laptop> mythfrontend i think
[02:22] <MythbuntuGuest24> TGM... this is what I get when I type mythtv in the terminal :::
[02:22] <MythbuntuGuest24> 2008-07-14 18:19:48.106 Using runtime prefix = /usr, libdir = /usr/lib
[02:23] <MythbuntuGuest24> ?^?^?^?^?^ 'ill paste it line by line
[02:24] <MythbuntuGuest24> 2008-07-14 18:19:48.113 XScreenSaver support enabled
[02:24] <MythbuntuGuest24> 2008-07-14 18:19:48.113 DPMS is active.
[02:24] <MythbuntuGuest24> 2008-07-14 18:19:48.114 Empty LocalHostName.
[02:24] <MythbuntuGuest24> 2008-07-14 18:19:48.114 Using localhost value of poyogi-laptop
[02:24] <MythbuntuGuest24> 2008-07-14 18:19:48.115 Testing network connectivity to <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:24] <MythbuntuGuest24> 2008-07-14 18:19:48.131 New DB connection, total: 1
[02:32] <MythbuntuGuest24> TGM... I'm going to head out for an hour should get right back I hope you are around then. thanks again guys
[03:01] <thedarkone> hey all
[03:02] <thedarkone> does mythweb_session is that suppose to be a table in mysql?
[03:05] <spiritssight> I am  having trouble watching TV in mythTV I am using the open-source drivers for the ATI radeon mobile M5 x1300
[06:50] <Xavura> Can anyone help, I want to use my usb device with MythTV and have no idea how
[07:31] <clarkey> hi I have a problem trying to enable DRI for some reason it seems it is loaded in the Xorg.0.log as all looks good and I get messages indicating it is loaded and working but then when I run glxinfo it is reported that direct rendering is not on any ideas?
[09:05] <astro_> anyone here using a ms mce keyboard?
[14:14] <laga> re
[15:13] <laga> Uploading to mythbuntu-trunk-0.22-ppa (via ftp to ppa.launchpad.net)
[15:13] <laga> trunk builds should show up in a few hours :)
[15:17] <laga> i haven't updated the theme packages yet so you will have to use a core theme. and for the love of god, don't use these builds unless you know what you're doing
[16:44] <whoDat_> hmm 8.04.1 is just bug fixes?
[16:44] <tgm4883_laptop> whoDat_, yep
[16:45] <tgm4883_laptop> bug fixes and updated packages
[16:45] <tgm4883_laptop> nothing you can't get from a apt-get upgrade
[16:45] <whoDat_> kinda afraid to do an upgrade.. everything is working great right now
[16:46] <squish102> whoDat_ so what are you running?
[16:46] <whoDat_> 8.04
[16:47] <squish102> ok, im still on 7.x ubuntu and too scared to go to 8
[16:47] <whoDat_> i recently switched from knopmyth and like mythbuntu much better, except knoppmyth had a nice backup feature from the myth menu
[16:48] <whoDat_> squish: in your case i would prolly buy another hard drive and install 8.04 on that ;)
[16:49] <squish102> i was hoping to find some success stories here, before i screw up a perfectly working implementation :(
[16:49] <whoDat_> with 8.04? it works great for me
[16:49] <laga> backups?
[16:49] <whoDat_> laga: yeah thats where if it screws up, you have something to go back too ;)
[16:50] <squish102> backups? i always seem to live life on the edge
[16:50] <laga> yeah, especially if it's your master's thesis or something like that ;)
[16:51] <squish102> well being a fool that i am, all imprtant docs r on google apps
[16:59] <jphillip> just backup your mysql and learn to live without the recordings that are lost
[16:59] <jphillip> unless you have some huge amount of hard drive space
[17:01] <whoDat_> heh
[17:46] <thedarkone> anyone here
[17:47] <laga> they're all gone
[17:47] <thedarkone> i see
[17:47] <thedarkone> well i mess up my sql database
[17:48] <thedarkone> any way too restore it to stock
[17:53] <astro_> anyone here using a microsoft mce keyboard?
[18:03] <ownatsch> hi, i bought a hauppauge hvr-4000 and installed it with multifrontend drivers (as seen in http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-4000) so the driver whent well and the kernel output shows what it should, but somehow i cant manage to connect to the dvb-t frontend although i got "scan" to find channels ... thanks
[18:08] <jphillip> thedarkone sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database
[18:08] <thedarkone> thank jphillip
[18:16] <ownatsch> so for a start i'm trying to get a picture in mplayer, but due to lack of experience in the dvbt area i'cant get it to connect to /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend1 where the dvb-t adapter should be any help?
[18:17] <jphillip> np thedarkone
[18:24] <ownatsch> ok, rtfm ... :( mythtv doesnt handle multiple frontends ... some ln -s to a different adapters should do the job
[18:32] <ownatsch> so, i got that far, configured the dvb-t card in mythbackend, scaned for the channels, that workd, linked it to epg input but when i start the tv in mythtv i get this in the kernel output: mythfrontend.re[12530]: segfault at 3d4 ip 7f41a1cf9d51 sp 4425b360 error 4 in ld-2.7.so[7f41a1ce6000+1d000] help! , please
[19:34] <Logrusmage> I'm getting a upnp not foudn error when I try to enter setup. I put in my (correct) user/pass and it tells me it cannot log into server? and loops. Does anyone know what's wrong?
[19:58] <javatexan> anyone using mythbuntu on a 486?
[20:00] <javatexan> I have an old 486SX that I could use for mythbuntu, but the kernel crashes at install saying there is no math coprocessor....I can compile kernel to have math emulation on, but then how do I get it on the box with the rest of the mythbuntu stuff
[20:02] <jphillip> prob not worth your time and efforts
[20:03] <javatexan> lol
[20:05] <javatexan> probably right....I really just want to put linux on it...I keep running into this same install problem...so I am wondering if I can build the fs somewhere else, then copy it to the little guy using dd or something and have it work....My guess is that only ubuntu or such has a generic enough kernel to really handle the move from a DualCore 2.2 to a 486SX...LOL   any ideas?
[20:07] <jphillip> might have to build the kernel yourself
[20:07] <javatexan> The main reason I am doing this is because I found this really cheap SOC board that is a RISC pretending to be a 486 with no math coproc.  It runs at 400MHz/ pc104 ... Sweet.  I just happen to have this old 486 to test with first
[20:08] <javatexan> yes..I will have to build the kernel, do you think the build on one machine, transfer to another will work?
[20:08] <javatexan> even though the processors are so different?
[20:28] <jphillip> !help
[20:28] <Zinn> Use ! followed by a topic to get help on the topic (if it exists) example: !logs.  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].
[20:40] <sohocoke> hi, i'm running into issues with the wythweb flv stopping after a few seconds of playback, probably due to ffmpeg not being fast enough. this is in turn probably because my cpu is a celeron 433mhz. short of getting faster hardware, is there anything i can do to optimize ffmpeg performance? i just installed ffmpeg from myth-control-center, so perhaps i could get better performance compiling it myself? any advice appreciated.
[20:45] <jphillip> sohocoke get better hardware :)
[20:46] <jphillip> you could in theory create the flv's ahead of time with a user job
[20:53] <sohocoke> jphillip: can i do that for all scheduled recordings?
[21:00] <astro_> is anyone here using a microsoft mce keyboard with the current mythbuntu?
[21:23] <ophiuchus> hello. does anyone have a working lirc with serial remote (mythbuntu 8.04)?
[21:28] <jphillip> sohocoke you can make a user job run on recordings when they finish
[21:28] <jphillip> doesn't have to be on all either, can be on individual ones
[21:39] <sohocoke> it'd be nice if i could make a recording automatically transcode to flv when it finishes.. but how painful is the config?!
[21:43] <jphillip> ideally you could find the code for ffmpeg in mythweb, and just put that into a user job and use that
[22:26] <hads> sohocoke: Don't know about the mythtv job but something like `ffmpeg -i $INFILE -ar 22050 -ab 32 -f flv -s 320x240 $OUTFILE` should do that
[22:26] <hads> You'll need to make sure your ffmpeg has flv support
[22:27] <hads> Also reading further up the scrollback, you'd have to hack mythweb to support pre-encoded streaming files I belive.
[22:31] <sohocoke> so what should i do a burn-in test with my new box?
[22:41] <szakulec> do I have to do anything special to make sure mytharchive uses my cutlist if I select it? it's always failed in the past
[23:13] <szakulec> I'd like to upgrade my FFmpeg install to the current SVN version- does anyone test the different myth parts with newer versions?
[23:15] <KaffeeTasse> Hallo allerseits....
[23:17] <KaffeeTasse> Ich habe mythbuntu ganz neu auf der Kiste drauf. Aber irgendwie hat der Sendersuchlauf nicht richtig gefunzt. Könnte mir da mal jemand freundlicherweise helfen?
[23:22] <KaffeeTasse> hmmmmm,,,,,,,bitte....
[23:23] <laga> KaffeeTasse: englisch?
[23:23] <laga> in #mythtv-de findest du noch mehr deutsche
[23:24] <KaffeeTasse> sorry....wusst ich nit, dann gehe ich mal zu den deutschen mythtv'lern. Thx


[01:28] <rjelte> I have a question that's more UK related than Ubuntu, but hopefully you'll be able to help me: I'm setting up international shipping for a web store, and I'm getting some unfamiliar options for "Administrative Areas" (mostly counties).
[01:29] <rjelte> I'm getting some normal ones like Bedfordshire and Blackpool, but I have quite a few that look like this:  (UK13), (UK83), (UK85).
[01:29] <rjelte> Do those have any significance, or are they just an artifact of the internationalization library?
[06:49] <bootkigftrgds> Morning Aloha All..
[06:50] <redtape> Is it release day today ??
[06:51] <redtape>                                     .... as in 13.04 ?
[06:52] <redtape> Right , I'm off for a paper .. I expect a response within 17.8 minutes ..
[07:03] <MartijnVdS> redtape: could be yes
[07:06] <redtape> MartijnVdS:  Ahh-ha  .. I will be installing 13:04 at the coffee shop ... Coffee Republic Ho !
[07:09] <Myrtti> probably not
[07:15] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: there aren't going to be too many changes though.. probably
[07:15] <MartijnVdS> april 25th is official release day, according to the wiki
[07:16] <Myrtti> it's always a Thursday.
[07:16] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: ah.. hadn't noticed that before
[07:17]  * MartijnVdS upgrades anyway.
[07:17] <MartijnVdS> Must be my inner rebel.
[07:17] <Myrtti> usually the last Thursday of the month
[07:21] <popey> Morning.
[07:21] <MartijnVdS> \o popey
[07:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning one and all.
[07:33] <BigRedS> Good Morning!
[08:11] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:11] <MartijnVdS> \o
[08:16] <JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy St George's Day! :-D
[08:17] <SuperMatt> a happy st georges day to you too
[08:18] <SuperMatt> how many dragons do you plan to slay today?
[08:20] <JamesTait> LOTS!
[08:20] <JamesTait> Big ones, too.
[08:21] <AlanBell> save the dragons!
[08:21] <JamesTait> But the dragons eat our users' files and change their passwords and break their networks.
[08:23] <AlanBell> they are just misunderstood
[08:24] <czajkowski> still baffling how ye don't celebrate the day
[08:24] <czajkowski> nor why ye actually celebrate st. patricks day
[08:25] <JamesTait> I tried getting to know one of these dragins once. Chomped my files right there in front of me. No word of apology nor explanation.
[08:26] <JamesTait> I donned my mithral shield and slew him with my vorpal sword.
[08:26] <JamesTait> He hasn't chomped any more of my files.
[08:30] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:30] <directhex> are you sure it was a dragon and not a sysadmin?
[08:31] <SuperMatt> sysadmins don't break stuff!
[08:31] <SuperMatt> I spend all my time fixing stuff other people break D:
[08:32] <mungbean> we had squirrels/rats chomp through our datacentre fibre last month \o/
[08:34] <SuperMatt> good stuff
[08:45] <NET||abuse> great fun, i have to re-connect every day cause sky bounces my ip :(
[08:46] <directhex> BT don't bounce mine, although my DSL was down for a bit last night
[08:51] <SuperMatt> my BT IP only changes if I get disconnected
[08:53] <selinuxium> MORNING ALL   O/
[08:53] <selinuxium> Oops.. Shouty greeting..
[08:54] <bigcalm> VirginMedia only seem to change my IP if they have been dicking around with things
[08:55] <SuperMatt> which is most of the time?
[08:57] <bigcalm> Hehe
[08:57] <bigcalm> Thankfully it's not as nutty as I sometimes make out
[09:06] <SuperMatt> http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/48683090696/when-you-realize-youre-using-your-own-library-wrong
[09:07] <bigcalm> Ha
[09:12] <SuperMatt> I must confess I've been on the wrong end of my own code in the past
[09:28] <NET||abuse> must consider moving isp
[09:29] <NET||abuse> i only get 1024 up and 17000 down,, could do better
[09:29] <NET||abuse> been with sky for about a year and few months,, what's contract exit like anyone know?
[09:30] <NET||abuse> what's the recomendation on isp's in here?
[09:31]  * popey is on virgin cable
[09:32] <popey> http://www.speedtest.net/result/2663970246.png
[09:33] <NET||abuse> mmm not bad
[09:33] <mungbean> virgin is very region dependent
[09:33] <mungbean> they tend to oversubscribe badly
[09:33] <NET||abuse> last test i did was 8Mb/s down, 700Kb/s up
[09:33] <NET||abuse> really upsetting when you're expecting 25Mb/s
[09:33] <popey> erk
[09:33] <popey> "up to" ☹
[09:33] <NET||abuse> yup, kinda sucky
[09:33] <NET||abuse> oh yeh, up to 25Mb/s,, you might hope for 16 or 18
[09:34] <NET||abuse> but 8.... blech
[09:34] <popey> mine rarely goes below what you see above
[09:34] <popey> my wifi is more of a bottleneck than my net connection
[09:34] <Laney> Our new product boasts an up to 100% success rate!
[09:34]  * popey reboots to confirm bugs
[09:35] <NET||abuse> popey: saw the tail end of your interview with brian lunduke yesterday
[09:39] <mungbean> have laptop plugged into a monitor capable of 1920x1200 but only 1440x900 maximum offered ? any ideas?
[09:44] <popey> NET||abuse: it's on youtube now
[09:44] <popey> SING HOSANA, BUG FIXED!
[09:45] <NET||abuse> yeh, was just cooking dinner when the live stream was half way through,, didn't wait to see when it would be ready for regular youtube viewing
[09:46] <NET||abuse> will have to watch it now
[09:54] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:01] <mungbean> morning
[10:02] <mungbean> what a beautiful day
[10:02] <popey> yes!
[10:02] <mungbean> i sit at a window with sunlight again now
[10:02] <popey> it's a "blind up" kind of day
[10:02] <popey> maybe even a windows-open day
[10:02] <NET||abuse> arghghg,, evil day star!!
[10:03] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:03] <mungbean> wow
[10:03] <mungbean> not on mile end rd
[10:03] <mungbean> sirens and pollution
[10:03] <NET||abuse> mungbean: yeh, not on Old Street neither
[10:03] <brobostigon> morning mungbean
[10:04] <brobostigon> morning davmor2
[10:04] <popey> http://popey.com/webcam/
[10:04] <popey> lovely sunny day
[10:05] <NET||abuse> good postelevensespreprelunch12oclocktee brobostigon
[10:05] <brobostigon> NET||abuse: :)
[10:22] <NET||abuse> anyone used soemthing like oric.com to find ways to watch your tv stories without resorting to bad thins?
[10:23] <popey> Bad Things ™
[10:24] <directhex> b-b-b-b-b-baaad to the booooone
[10:25] <NET||abuse> :P yeh, i don't like using methods that could ultimately get me in trouble to watch shows i want to watch. So i have a netflix account(come on html5 version) and I've looked at love film and just saw blinkbox which i'll checkout
[10:25] <NET||abuse> love film just is too limited
[10:25] <popey> I tried blinkbox and didnt see a very good selection
[10:25] <NET||abuse> it's just so easy to use a torrent,
[10:25] <popey> much like netflix
[10:26] <popey> although I watched all of dexter on netflix so that was nice
[10:26] <NET||abuse> yeh, i've been wathcing house of cards.. netflix
[10:26] <NET||abuse> is dexter up to date?
[10:26] <NET||abuse> i found uk netflix is often behind on seasons
[10:26] <popey> dexter is, yes
[10:26] <NET||abuse> oh, didn't realise..
[10:27]  * mungbean isn't sure he would want to watch stuff that isn;t already on UK telly
[10:27] <SuperMatt> if you're using the netflix-desktop program, just press ctrl+t and go to mediahint.com ;)
[10:27]  * popey is using netflix on android
[10:27] <NET||abuse> mediahint..interesting, will add that to my checkout list tonight.
[10:27] <NET||abuse> yeh, i've been using netflix-desktop so that's working great.
[10:28] <NET||abuse> my nexus 7 is dead at them moment, have to rma it, but the compholio project is working fine for me
[10:28] <NET||abuse> i hear they're working on html5 version, but it might be 2014 bofore that happens..
[10:28] <mungbean> what happened to the n7 NET||abuse ?
[10:29] <NET||abuse> well i've 2 n7's, oen for me and one for the missus, her one stopped charging, and i replaced it.. then both ehr and my one again stopped charging..
[10:30] <mungbean> :-|
[10:30] <mungbean> whats the problem?
[10:30] <mungbean> charger?
[10:30] <NET||abuse> i'm really supprised, I only use hte official charger, and i charge my phone for the last 18months from the same charger and plugs as i use for the nexus, but they just seem to be flakey
[10:30] <NET||abuse> no, charger is fine, my phone still charges of it no issues.
[10:30] <NET||abuse> but that's 3 n7's that have just died on me
[10:30] <mungbean> stopped charging while it had some charge, or the charge ran low and wouldn't charge?
[10:30] <NET||abuse> i have both with me today, was going to start RMA on them at lunch today
[10:31] <NET||abuse> i think the latter
[10:31] <NET||abuse> though, when i plug in my one,, i get a flicker of a few lines of static snow on the screen when i try to power it up while plugged in
[10:31] <mungbean> i had that with my touchpad HP
[10:32] <popey> ropey conector?
[10:32] <NET||abuse> anyway, not to worry, google will hopefully replace em.
[10:32] <popey> usb really is the worst set of connectors ever
[10:32] <NET||abuse> popey: not sure to be honest.
[10:32] <mungbean> TP ran low, cable broke a bit, which resulted in the TP displaying the screen all night that says "use a better charger". this ran the battery down too low to re-charge it
[10:32] <NET||abuse> i dont' think so.. seem solidly connected
[10:32] <mungbean> had to replace battery
[10:33] <mungbean> now i'm paranoid when the battery goes below 30%
[10:37] <mungbean> looks like all change in july so gonna wait till then to buy my wifey a n7
[10:37] <mungbean> and maybe pick up a bargain
[10:38] <NET||abuse> what's gonna change in july?
[10:39] <mungbean> new model of n7
[10:39] <mungbean> maybe cheaper again
[10:40] <mungbean> plus the old models will be cheapy cheap
[10:40] <mungbean> google just wanna shift units, rather than profit on these
[10:40] <NET||abuse> yeh, just read on the new iteration
[10:40] <NET||abuse> hmm, not sure i am ready to invest in new hardware
[10:41] <NET||abuse> just spend money on setting up home server.
[10:41] <NET||abuse> and some family stuff to pay for next 3 months
[10:42] <bigcalm> My goodness I hate sql server
[10:44] <mungbean> linux-headers-3.2.0-41-generic depends on linux-headers-3.2.0-41; however: Package linux-headers-3.2.0-41 is not installed.
[10:45] <mungbean> ^^ trying to install linux kernel and headers from deb , as advised by launchpad
[10:45] <mungbean> what's going on here?
[10:46] <BigRedS> are you using   dpkg -i   or   apt-get install   ?
[10:46] <mungbean> dpkg -i blah.deb
[10:46] <popey> so install headers too?
[10:46] <popey> do both
[10:46] <popey> dpkg -i *.deb
[10:46] <mungbean> i did
[10:46] <BigRedS> yeah, dpkg doesn't pull in dependencies, it just detects them
[10:46] <mungbean> sudo dpkg -i linux-headers-3.2.0-41-generic_3.2.0-41.65~spcreverted30ae292_amd64.deb linux-image-3.2.0-41-generic_3.2.0-41.65~spcreverted30ae292_amd64.deb
[10:46] <BigRedS> apt-get -f install will pull the dependencies in if they're in the repos
[10:47] <mungbean> yeah that didn't work
[10:47] <BigRedS> ah, no, you're not installing from the repos
[10:47] <mungbean> no
[10:47] <BigRedS> what does just   dpkg -i linux-headers-3.2.0-41-generic_3.2.0-41.65~spcreverted30ae292_amd64.deb   say?
[10:47] <popey> where'd that come from?
[10:47] <mungbean> bug 1140716
[10:48] <mungbean> BigRedS: it gives the error i posted up there &^^^
[10:48] <popey> you'll also want extras
[10:48] <mungbean> nothing else in the directory http://people.canonical.com/~sconklin/
[10:48] <popey> there are 3 in there
[10:48] <mungbean> http://people.canonical.com/~sconklin/precise-revert-4c443ec/
[10:49] <popey> image, headers, extras
[10:49] <mungbean> in http://people.canonical.com/~sconklin/precise-revert-4c443ec/ ?
[10:49] <mungbean> you are looking in quantal
[10:50] <popey> ah, i am
[10:50] <mungbean> look in precise
[10:50] <mungbean> and v<IP_ADDRESS>
[10:50] <mungbean> maybe i'll wit until it's generally available
[10:51] <mungbean> but it's embarrassing if you are looking at facebook for 10 seconds and your screen freezes for a 30 secs just as your boss walks over
[10:58] <mungbean> i wonder if download.opensus.org gets throttled for ubuntu usrs...easily the slowest repo i have
[10:58] <hoover> hi folks
[11:01] <popey> I'm getting ~4MB/s here
[11:01] <popey> 10% [[11:01] <popey> and thats from mirror.ox.ac.uk, so not their box
[11:01] <davmor2> popey: 100%[[11:02] <mungbean> apt-get update takes forever on that line
[11:02] <mungbean> the actual package install is quick
[11:02] <popey> use a different mirror?
[11:03]  * popey wonders if his "which is the best mirror" script still works
[11:03] <mungbean> but the package donwload is quick
[11:04] <popey> what's slow?
[11:04] <mungbean> apt-get update
[11:04] <mungbean> fetching headers
[11:04] <mungbean> just on the Hit http://download.opensuse.org  Release.gpg
[11:04] <mungbean> Hit http://download.opensuse.org  Release
[11:04] <mungbean> Hit http://download.opensuse.org  Packages
[11:04] <mungbean> lines
[11:04] <Laney> google's repo does that too
[11:04] <mungbean> always has done, every pc i owned
[11:04] <popey> yeah
[11:04] <mungbean> takes longer than rest of list combined
[11:13] <bigcalm> Had a shock this morning. Switched on the workstation and got a grub error that it couldn't find the harddrive and gave the uuid. ctrl-alt-del gave the same response. Power cycling fixed the issue. Not how one wants to start the day
[11:17] <BigRedS> I hate UUIDs in grub
[11:17] <MooDoo> hello all
[11:17] <popey> lo
[11:17] <brobostigon> afternoonings MooDoo
[11:18] <MooDoo> :)
[11:18] <brobostigon> :)
[11:19] <knightwise> hey everyone
[11:19] <MooDoo> everyone ok?
[11:19] <bigcalm> Unlikely but mostly
[11:19] <bigcalm> How are you MooDoo?
[11:19] <popey> http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/geary-a-beautiful-modern-open-source-email-client
[11:19] <popey> not gonna do it are they?
[11:20] <MooDoo> bigcalm: I'm well thanks :)
[11:20] <brobostigon> MooDoo: just tryinh something new that i found when shopping the other day, butter made with goats milk, on my lunch sandwiches.
[11:20] <MooDoo> brobostigon: yun
[11:20] <MooDoo> yum
[11:20] <brobostigon> MooDoo: yes, and i can have it aswell, as i am allergic to cows milk.
[11:22] <bigcalm> :(
[11:22] <mungbean> is buffalo mozzarella really from buffalo?
[11:22]  * mungbean :S
[11:22] <bigcalm> Buffalo milk
[11:23] <bigcalm> mmmmm
[11:23] <mungbean> what does buffalo mlk taste like?
[11:23] <brobostigon> no idea.
[11:23]  * bigcalm shrugs
[11:24] <bigcalm> Only had it in mozzarella :D
[11:24] <MooDoo> time to go home yet?
[11:24]  * bigcalm is home \o/
[11:24] <MooDoo> :p
[11:24] <bigcalm> Oh, wait a moment
[11:26] <MooDoo> I was working at home this morning before I went to the dentist, it's so much more fun working from home
[11:27] <popey> it is when it's http://popey.com/webcam like that out
[11:27]  * brobostigon fears dentists, :(
[11:27] <popey> today is the first day of the kids back at school
[11:27] <popey> peace!
[11:27] <brobostigon> :)
[11:28] <knightwise> ever since I saw armageddon .. i fear dentists and their drils
[11:29] <MooDoo> popey: my son starts school in sept, having to purchase uniforms and everything
[11:29] <popey> heh, expensive
[11:30] <Laney> send him in a potato sack
[11:30] <MooDoo> yeah and for a 4 year old that's taller than normal, we're having to get bigger sizes.....whay oh why am I so tall lol
[11:31] <davmor2> MooDoo: you have no-one but yourself to blame
[11:32] <MooDoo> davmor2: shush you
[11:33] <davmor2> MooDoo: Well you could blame your Missus but I reckon she'll find out what you said and we won't hear from you for a few weeks while the hospital puts you back together ;)
[11:34] <MooDoo> davmor2: thankfully she doesn't know about IRC and doesn't know it's logged :p
[11:34] <Laney> that can be fixed
[11:35] <davmor2> MooDoo: More than one person ready to drop you in it, man you are popular :)
[11:35]  * MooDoo takes a bow, I thank you :)
[11:36] <Laney> muhaha
[11:36] <knightwise> echo log.txt >><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:36] <Laney> MooDoo: saw your post about coworking spaces; do you work from home?
[11:36] <MooDoo> Laney: no
[11:36] <Laney> bah
[11:37] <MooDoo> just thought it was a great idea
[11:37] <Laney> need more east midlands home workers
[11:38] <directhex> knightwise,  ever since I saw armageddon .. i fear aerosmith
[11:38] <davmor2> Laney: you are welcome to trundle over to wolves some time and join me and bigcalm and moreati :)
[11:38] <Laney> now what time in the morning would i have to get up for that v_v
[11:39] <MooDoo> Laney: it would be nice
[11:39] <Laney> davmor2: 06:37 train
[11:39]  * Laney splutters
[11:39] <davmor2> Laney: where abouts are you then
[11:39] <Laney> nottm
[11:40] <davmor2> Laney: drive it's only an hour and a half :)
[11:40] <Laney> i don't drive
[11:40] <Laney> could cycle ...
[11:40] <davmor2> That's no excuse :)(
[11:40] <davmor2> - (
[11:41] <davmor2> Laney: Yeah cycle we'll see you in a month, you might be fired by then but you get to co-work :)
[11:41] <Laney> heh
[11:41] <Laney> probably only take a solid day
[11:42] <MooDoo> Laney: looked at http://nottinghack.org.uk/ ?
[11:42] <Laney>  67.0 mi, 6 hours 25 mins
[11:42] <Laney> MooDoo: yeah, thought it was more for electronics stuff though
[11:43] <Laney> although they do advertise it as a co-working space
[11:43] <MooDoo> yeah
[11:44] <czajkowski> Laney: you in london this week
[11:44] <Laney> no
[11:45] <Laney> same problem as getting to wolverhampton, with the added cherry on top that it costs about 85 quid
[11:45] <Laney> i maintain that more stuff should be in the east mids
[11:47] <MooDoo> Laney: there is another place in nottingham that's nice to work at
[11:47] <czajkowski> Laney: find me a venue and we can do a hackntalk there :)
[11:47] <directhex> i am an even-handed and neutral person when it comes to the east and west midlands
[11:47] <directhex> partly because i live right on the border between them both
[11:47] <czajkowski> http://hackntalkjune.eventbrite.com/
[11:47] <Laney> czajkowski: the hackspace would probably be good for that
[11:47] <Laney> not that i've got anything to do with it
[11:47] <Laney> MooDoo: malt cross?
[11:49] <MooDoo> Laney: lol no antenna
[11:49] <Laney> never 'eard of it
[11:49] <Laney> looks trendy
[11:50] <MooDoo> it's not bad, £25 a year member ship quite cheap
[11:51] <Laney> interesting
[11:57] <NET||abuse> ughh,, scp'ing a video down off my hom eserver to work, 76Kb/s,,,,, argh
[11:57] <mungbean> Arm Holdings was the strongest stock on the main index, up 8.3 per cent at 941.5p after it reported a 31 per cent rise in first-quarter pre-tax profits, helping it to repeat existing full-year profit guidance.
[11:57] <mungbean> \o/
[11:58] <NET||abuse> :) I knew they'd say that...
[11:58]  * NET||abuse made bad judge dred reference
[11:59] <MooDoo> NET||abuse: yes it was bad :)
[11:59]  * NET||abuse is ashamed of himself
[12:02] <MooDoo> NET||abuse: so you should be, now give me 15 hail fedoras and 20 I love suse's as penance ;)
[12:03] <NET||abuse> neverrr.... i worship at the alter of gentoo and satanic linux!
[12:03] <NET||abuse> i've never actually built gentoo,
[12:03] <NET||abuse> or done an LFS
[12:03] <NET||abuse> would be interesting.
[12:04] <NET||abuse> ahh, who has time.
[12:05] <NET||abuse> hmm, killed a mail backup i was doing, scp stabillised at 111KB/s
[12:06] <NET||abuse> still pretty crap
[12:18] <NET||abuse> ok, there's a new one.. so the nexus7 trouble i was having,,, the thing wont charge,, qa girl in my office says to me, she had charging problem with her phone, it went nuts and then wouldn't charge off the wall cahrger, but she put it into the computer,, and that fixed it.. i just did the same with my now 3 weeks dead n7.....
[12:18] <NET||abuse> magic...
[12:18] <NET||abuse> well.. we'll see,, the google symbox and the nexus X came up,, then it shut down again.
[12:20] <NET||abuse> ok, google and nexus came up again... i quickly switched over to mains..... and pooof!!!
[12:20] <NET||abuse> ij ust got my home screen... but now it says power off----- shutting down.
[12:21] <NET||abuse> hmmm, how do you stop it booting up and power down over and over.
[12:21] <brobostigon> NET||abuse: maybe ask in #android
[12:22] <NET||abuse> fair point
[12:22] <brobostigon> :)
[12:23] <NET||abuse> oh god.. ok it wnet through another boot cycle, then got static on speakers and light snow on screen..
[12:23] <NET||abuse> for about 3 seoncds
[12:23] <hoover> hi folks
[12:24] <mungbean> how many devices can you attach to one netflix user account?
[12:25] <mungbean> are you allowed simultaneous streams?
[12:26] <popey> mungbean: i dont think there's a limit
[12:26] <MooDoo> hello hoover
[12:27] <popey> you dont attach devices, you just login and use it
[12:27] <popey> it doesn't know one device from another
[12:27] <popey> they probably dont allow multiple device streaming simultaneously, but not tried it
[12:27] <mungbean> hmm
[12:28] <mungbean> even still, i bet a lot of people shared logins
[12:28]  * popey tries it
[12:28] <popey> i share my spotify login
[12:28] <mungbean> with mrs popey?
[12:28] <popey> ya
[12:29] <mungbean> if multiple streaming is allowed then its a wonder they get more than one customre at all
[12:29]  * popey has the same programme streaming on two devices
[12:29] <popey> but both on same IP
[12:30] <mungbean> The current plan lets subscribers stream to two different devices at the same time using one subscription, the new plan allows streaming to four devices at once.
[12:31] <mungbean> http://www.businessinsider.com/netflix-shareable-accounts-2013-4
[12:31] <popey> nice
[12:33] <mungbean> my whole extended family could use that
[12:35] <Daviey> popey: I was digging through my family tree, turns out we are related. Can i be sharing your netflix pls?
[12:39] <bigcalm> Proxy!
[12:46] <mungbean> is it as nice as it looks outside?
[13:28] <BigRedS> allegedly
[13:28] <BigRedS> I've just been informed so by someone recently back from lunch
[13:28] <brobostigon> sunny and blues skies and 15c, here.
[13:29] <mungbean> been outside, v nice
[13:29] <mungbean> hayfever, but warm
[13:30] <mungbean> 17c her
[13:30] <mungbean> pwncloud y u stealing all my cpu?
[14:02] <BigRedS> pwncloud?
[14:03] <ging> does anyone know a simple way to setup an ubuntu box for texting to allow root login with a blank password (not using ssh key) ?
[14:06] <bigcalm> rz5HjF7Xzm9U
[14:06] <mungbean> nice password
[14:06] <bigcalm> Fiddle sticks
[14:07] <bigcalm> Thanks
[14:07] <mungbean> ssh root@bigcalm
[14:07] <mungbean> # rm -rf /
[14:07] <bigcalm> Yay for cloaks
[14:08] <mungbean> ging: for "texting"?
[14:11] <ging> testing
[14:15] <BigRedS> init=/bin/bash
[14:16] <ging> i meant over ssh
[14:17] <BigRedS> not that I can think of; closest you'll get is probably an ssh key, really
[14:17] <popey> why not using an ssh key?
[14:18] <popey> well, you can edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config and allow password logins and allow root logins
[14:18] <BigRedS> yeah, but that just allows passworded root logins, he wants no-password root login
[14:18] <popey> well you have to allow that initially
[14:18] <popey> then blank the password
[14:19] <BigRedS> oh, I'm sure I tried that somewhere before and it didn't work...
[14:20] <Laney> there's an sshd_config option for that too
[14:20] <Laney> PermitEmptyPasswords or something
[14:21] <BigRedS> ahh
[14:23] <mungbean> you do know it's a bad idea though?
[14:23] <BigRedS> not universally...
[14:28] <ging> so if i set a root password and then blank it, it should let me in with the right sshd config? how do i blank the root password after enabling it?
[14:33] <ging> do i want to blank out the hash in the shadow file? or maybe put ! or * ?
[14:35] <mgdm> that'd lock the account, surely
[14:35] <ging> seems to
[14:35] <ging> but it won't allow me to change the password to nothing
[14:39] <mungbean> sudo sed -i 's/nullok_secure/nullok/' /etc/pam.d/common-auth
[14:40] <mungbean> might help
[14:40] <mungbean> warning : may shag your system
[14:42] <shauno> that looks familiar.  nullok will accept passwordless root, nullok_secure will accept passwordless root from devices listed in /etc/securetty
[14:44] <mungbean> there's also a nopasswdlogin group its worth adding the user to
[14:47] <popey> ging: whats the purpose of this?
[14:47] <popey> i.e. why not use keys?
[14:48] <mgdm> I'm wondering if it's to time how long the machine takes to get 0wned :)
[14:48] <BigRedS> do dictionary attacks bother trying "root" and ""?
[14:48] <mungbean> yes
[14:48] <mungbean> [citation needed]
[14:51] <mungbean> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/10008707/Toddlers-becoming-so-addicted-to-iPads-they-require-therapy.html
[14:52] <mungbean> my toddler has a tantrum if you snap his bread stick in two before putting it in the bowl, or if you ask him to take off his shoes, or ask him to wash his hands...
[14:52] <mungbean> or if you speak "DADDY STOP TALKING"
[14:53] <mungbean> warning : don't read the ridiculous comments on teh article
[14:53] <shauno> that's becoming common sense on the internet in general :/
[14:53] <popey> hmm
[14:53] <popey> i dont think we've ever really suffered with tantrums
[14:53] <popey> maybe I'm blotting that out
[14:53] <mungbean> wow
[14:54] <mungbean> screaming like a banshee for 20mins
[14:54] <popey> they're 9 and 6 now so that was ages ago
[14:54] <mungbean> trashing the bedroom
[14:54] <popey> nope, never had that
[14:54] <popey> nope
[14:54] <bigcalm> Next door has a tantrum prone child.   When I broke my nose, I also split my upper lip in two. Big scar down my nose stops things from growing
[15:08] <bigcalm> Haha
[15:08] <AlanBell> popey: monkeytail all the way
[15:08] <popey> hah
[15:09] <AlanBell> raring ringtail
[15:09] <popey> ooh, french have legalised same sex marriage and adoption
[15:09] <popey> \o/
[15:09] <bigcalm> \o/
[15:10]  * AlanBell decides to get adopted
[15:10] <popey> ooh, good idea
[15:10] <popey> a couple of rich sugar daddies
[15:12] <bigcalm> Heh
[15:12] <SuperMatt> shame the french refuse to legalise being another race
[15:13] <popey> que?
[15:13] <SuperMatt> oh, I just think the french are quite racist
[15:13] <BigRedS> hahaha
[15:13] <popey> gosh
[15:13]  * BigRedS mulls the possible irony
[15:13] <popey> indeed
[15:13] <SuperMatt> I know it's a bit of a generalisation
[15:13] <BigRedS> it's also sort-of what you're criticising them for
[15:14] <SuperMatt> I know!
[15:15] <SuperMatt> well, I'm against their anti-headscarf laws
[15:15] <Myrtti> iihhhhh ♥ http://www.flickr.com/photos/gemmacorrell/8499889901/
[15:16] <diplo> Afternoon all
[15:16] <bigcalm> Myrtti: that's sweet
[15:17] <Pendulum> Myrtti: awww :)
[15:18] <SuperMatt> wooooo, I finally have my bind views replicating!
[15:22] <davmor2> popey: better still a couple of rich sugar mommies
[15:24] <popey> I'm happy to accept the horrid imbalance that means two guys will likely earn more in this hypothetical situation
[15:24] <bigcalm> davmor2: popey might prefer sugar daddies
[15:25] <MooDoo> what?  lol coming in halfway through a conversation again lol
[15:25] <davmor2> popey: but you are a lot less likely to have one of them fancy you in my scenario :)
[15:28] <Laney> O_O
[15:28] <bigcalm> The topic may have strayed a little?
[15:29] <Laney> HOW BOUT THAT UNITY!
[15:29] <bigcalm> Tis a wondrous thing
[15:30] <davmor2> bigcalm: how are you getting on with it now as a day to day system?
[15:30] <AlanBell> I should totally try it again
[15:31] <bigcalm> davmor2: fine on my 3 monitor workstation. Still a little iffy on my laptop though
[15:31] <AlanBell> all the new 13.04 hotness should be in place now I guess
[15:31] <BigRedS> I still dislike it pinching alt
[15:31] <bigcalm> Only left alt though
[15:31] <BigRedS> yeah, but that's the one I use
[15:32] <BigRedS> alt+arrow keys
[15:32] <bigcalm> :)
[15:32] <AlanBell> I haven't used virtualbox for a while, I might be able to cope with the HUD now
[15:32] <davmor2> BigRedS: it doesn't.  You just need to keep alt presses
[15:32] <davmor2> pressed even
[15:32] <BigRedS> davmor2: yeah, I think I worked that out before. But I'm apparently not capable of using a keyboard properly :)
[15:33] <BigRedS> I've so far resuisted the urge to remap the hud to some other key, but I think I will in the not too distant future
[15:33] <AlanBell> it was only when the host grabs it from a virtualised guest OS that I got annoyed with it
[15:33] <BigRedS> I've still not used the hud intentionallyu
[15:33] <bigcalm> davmor2: what's the firefox plugin to record and playback web page interactions?
[15:33] <BigRedS> anyway, hometime! :)
[15:33] <bigcalm> Don't seem to have it installed on this machine
[15:33] <AlanBell> the firefox hud integration is kinda cool, I wrote a thing for OpenERP to expose the menu options to the HUD
[15:34] <davmor2> bigcalm: say what now?
[15:35] <bigcalm> davmor2: Selenium, thanks
[15:36] <davmor2> bigcalm: ah right so simple selenium testdriver  or sst is the one we use you'll find it on LP
[15:36] <davmor2> bigcalm: that is the one where you use python to code with
[16:28] <ging> popey: the reason was there was a script that tested test script i needed to run that connects to test machines via ssh and then tries to connect to connect to the other various test machines but the script was not built for ubuntu, i make it work with keys in the end
[17:08] <ali1234> http://jsfiddle.net/NgDhy/21/ ... getting somewhere
[18:20] <ukbeast> anyone on ubunyu 13.04 beta2?
[19:25] <AlanBell> ukbeast: yeah
[19:25] <AlanBell> or on a fully updated 13.04
[19:48] <kvarley-phone> I got a shirt from the Ubuntu shop, ripped open the plastic bag it was in, tried it on and it doesn't fit. Can I return it? The FAQ says they must be as new and in original packaging.
[20:02] <Laney> i doubt a plastic bag counts for those purposes
[20:04] <kvarley-phone> Laney: OK, thanks :)
[20:32] <mungbean> kvarley-phone: too big or small?
[20:35] <kvarley-phone> mungbean: small, I went off the chest size but its too tight on my arms
[20:36] <mungbean> We detected a login attempt with valid password to your Yahoo! account
[20:36] <mungbean> from Turkey :-|
[20:37] <shauno> nice holiday?
[20:37] <mungbean> had 9 chars , letters and numbers]
[20:38] <mungbean> with diificult secret questions
[20:39] <mungbean> something suspcious
[20:53] <mungbean> even more strange was that it was from a mobile device in turkey
[20:55] <shauno> or something masquerading as a mobile device, for various reasons
[20:55] <diddledan> geoip lookups may have been flawed
[20:58] <mungbean> however they logged in , and then went to mail
[20:58] <mungbean> i haven't logged in to yahoo for weeks
[20:59] <mungbean> and haven't looked at mail in > 2 yrs
[20:59] <mungbean> i use it for flickr
[21:00] <mungbean> and while i was in a meeting
[21:00] <mungbean> from <IP_ADDRESS>
[21:00] <shauno> oh it's worth changing your password for, etc
[21:00] <mungbean> oh for sure
[21:01] <mungbean> but it's all a bit weird
[21:01] <shauno> just saying that not all 'mobile devices' really are.  get_iplayer calls itself a mobile device so that it gets mp4 instead of flash, for instance
[21:01] <shauno> it's also a free pass for a lot of capatcha schemes
[21:01] <mungbean> true
[21:01] <diddledan> don't you love when geeks get involved in naming:
[21:01] <diddledan> netname:        TurkTelekom
[21:01] <diddledan> descr:          TT ADSL-TTnet_dynamic_gay
[21:02] <mungbean> 	16:07	Browser	 Mail Access	Turkey
[21:02] <mungbean> 		16:07	Yahoo! Mobile	 Logged In	Turkey
[21:02] <mungbean> better check what app i have installed on my phone
[21:02] <mungbean> if its official flickr one
[21:06] <mungbean> another meerkat on the way \o/
[21:07] <brobostigon> lol
[21:13] <popey> mungbean: where did the notification from from?
[21:14] <mungbean> popey: yahoo
[21:14] <mungbean> they emailed me on my alternative adress
[21:14] <mungbean> kind of "just checking but this might not be you"
[21:15] <Laney> Click this link and enter your credit card number to reset your password
[21:16] <mungbean> lol no it was genuine yahoo
[21:16] <mungbean> and you can see login history on the yahoo site
[21:17] <Laney> yahoȯ.com
[21:17]  * Laney stops trolling :P
[21:17] <brobostigon> yahwoooo.com
[21:18] <mungbean> maybe they were checking my mail for twitter/other subs
[21:18] <mungbean> just got the local freecycle i never realised i had 900 messages from
[21:18] <zleap> so are we going tobe able to get cd's of 13.04
[21:19] <Laney> https://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=1076 these look nice
[21:20] <diddledan> zleap, afaik canonical won't be selling cd/dvds of the release, but you may be able to get copies from third parties
[21:21] <diddledan> such as linuxemporium if they still provide that service
[21:34] <popey> zleap: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/loco-contacts/2013-April/006307.html
[21:34] <popey> "no"
[21:50] <zleap> ok thanks
[22:07] <Daviey> who still uses cd's anyway?
[22:08] <zleap> cds dvds
[22:08] <zleap> Daviey, i have a nice collection of ubuntu cd's here
[22:08] <zleap> even 4.04 (not complete 2 cd set) but its a wallet and cd
[22:09] <zleap> i think its 4.04 anyway
[22:09]  * zleap has a pc with no cd or dvd drive its a pain sometimes
[22:09] <zleap> blank dvd x50 = cost of 1x 4gb or 8gb flash disk
[22:13] <directhex> there was no 4.04
[22:13] <directhex> 4.10?
[22:14] <zleap> yeah that then sorry
[22:14] <zleap> 2 cds in a wallet
[22:14] <zleap> anyway i am off
[22:14] <zleap> nte
[22:14] <zleap> nite
[23:38] <ali1234> i think i finally nailed the sharing button thing: http://dev.drumoff.tv/share/
[23:38] <ali1234> now i just need to figure out where to put them on the page


[04:45] <jam> morning all
[08:52] <Chipaca> 1 2 3 tasting
[08:57] <Chipaca> jam, niemeyer, do you read me?
[09:06] <niemeyer> Moin!
[09:08] <jam> morning Chipaca
[09:11] <Chipaca> Woo, it works! Good morning
[09:14] <jam> back in a bit, working on math homework :)
[09:26] <Chipaca> I was running low on things, went to one supermarket yesterday after dinner and there was a bunch of stuff I couldn't get. So I had an early breakfast and came to a different supermarket only to find it was only open for OAPs until 9... Hence irccloud
[09:27] <Chipaca> On the upside I got everything but tea, now
[09:56] <Chipaca> facubatista: thank you for letting me know. "checkpoint" is just a note to myself, "this is how far I got"
[09:57] <Chipaca> glad you were able to get deeper into it with gustavo y'day
[10:51] <Chipaca> hmm, how can we avoid pydoc showing the license as the module's description?
[10:55] <jam> If there are 3 spheres of radius 1, inside a cylinder of height 2 with radius just enough to hold the spheres, what is the fraction of volume of the cylinder occupied by the spheres.
[10:55] <jam> been a long time since I did that kind of math.
[10:55] <jam> was kind of fun
[11:11] <Chipaca> facubatista, jam, niemeyer, WDYT? https://github.com/chipaca/operator/blob/docs-take-2/README.md
[11:12] <facubatista> Muy buenos días a todos!
[11:12] <niemeyer> Hey hey
[11:12] <Chipaca> facubatista: ｇｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｄ  ｍｏｒｎｉｎｇ！
[11:12] <facubatista> aló aló
[11:13] <facubatista> jam, volume of the cylinder minus 2 * volume of the sphere
[11:13] <Chipaca> facubatista, jam, niemeyer, to be clear i'm asking if you like the README, the TBD links are still TBD :)
[11:13] <facubatista> (as you had two spheres)
[11:14] <facubatista> Chipaca, will read
[11:14] <niemeyer> Chipaca: I like how it starts, but there's something missing before "testing your charms"
[11:14] <Chipaca> niemeyer: "breaking your charms"
[11:14]  * Chipaca hides
[11:14] <niemeyer> Chipaca: The part of the current document that explains the overall strategy for writing the charm seems important
[11:15] <Chipaca> niemeyer: I can put the minimal requirements for writing a charm there, then
[11:16] <Chipaca> the current "recommendation" for the layout is not nice, and I'd like us to stop recommending it, or at least to not make it so front-and-centre
[11:16] <niemeyer> Chipaca: Yeah, it seems important to provide some kind of "north" to people that open an editor and need to do something
[11:16] <Chipaca> sounds good
[11:17] <Chipaca> I had that, but then it got too long winded and so i nuked it. I should've instead pared it down... :)
[11:18] <Chipaca> also, note i mention rpdb but that's just because i wanted to see how it tasted, having a "require this, and optionally this other thing to get this extra bit"
[11:19] <Chipaca> and it seems to be fine
[11:19] <facubatista> Chipaca, even before; I think it's valuable to mention at least once that this is about charms in the intro before getting started
[11:19] <Chipaca> I'll try :)
[11:19] <facubatista> I don't want people reading "The Operator Framework provides a simple, lightweight, and powerful way of encapsulating operational experience in code" and thinking "nice, k8s"
[11:20] <Chipaca> what is k3s, btw?
[11:20] <facubatista> "nice, ansible"
[11:20] <facubatista> etc
[11:20] <Chipaca> so I should mention juju and charms in that same sentence, then
[11:21] <Chipaca> I think we still had a tiny bit of space before the mobile rendering got pushed off screen, so it should work
[11:21] <facubatista> "The Operator Framework provides a simple, lightweight, and powerful way of building charms, the best way to encapsulate operational experience in code."
[11:25] <Chipaca> facubatista: *juju* charms?
[11:27] <facubatista> Chipaca, or maybe the charm word itself is a link to somewhere which includes what is a charm
[11:27] <Chipaca> googling "what is a juju charm" is not a nice look
[11:28] <facubatista> Chipaca, shall we provide a PR on that readme? how we can add comments?
[11:28] <Chipaca> facubatista: I'll push a PR shortly
[11:28] <Chipaca> i linked to the WIP one to see if I was completely MFT
[11:28] <niemeyer> k3s is a self-contained k8s..  Think microk8s, but a different implementation of it
[11:29] <Chipaca> looks like somebody took a planer to the 8
[11:33] <facubatista> Chipaca, "MFT"?
[11:33] <Chipaca> er
[11:33] <Chipaca> facubatista: urinating outside of the appropriate receptacle
[11:33] <Chipaca> probably a grulic-ism
[11:34] <facubatista> is understable also in the rest of .ar, I guess
[11:36] <Chipaca> :)
[11:37] <jam> Chipaca, k3s is a minimialist install/installer of kubernetes. https://k3s.io/
[11:38] <jam> Missing the F'n Target
[11:40] <facubatista> Chipaca, use capital P in Python unless you're really meaning the command; we'll not use rpdb; "dive into the tutorial" I thought it was telling me to go off and read more about juju and charms, but it looks it's an operator itself tutorial?;
[11:41] <Chipaca> ok wrt python
[11:41] <facubatista> Chipaca, "pydoc3 ops.testing has the details for that" you're telling me to clone the project and run a command just to see more about testing harness? gross
[11:41] <Chipaca> tutorial is our tutorial
[11:41] <Chipaca> facubatista: until we have something better, that is the best i can do
[11:41] <Chipaca> i mean, yes, gross, but what else should i do?
[11:42] <Chipaca> extra gross because pydoc's description will be the copyright (eww)
[11:43] <facubatista> ack
[11:52] <Chipaca> jam: heh, i like that backronim :)
[11:53] <Chipaca> backronym
[11:58] <jam> seems they are conducting "National Sanitization" over the weekend, and will be restricting grocery store access, etc. So I need to do grocery shopping before the weekend, and chances are good they will get overwhelmed if I'm late.
[11:58] <jam> My wife just found out from her work, so we're heading out. I'll try to be back for standup.
[11:59] <Chipaca> jam: good luck!
[11:59] <Chipaca> facubatista: https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/190 FWIW
[11:59] <Chipaca> I'm going for a run, and then a quick lunch
[12:38] <facubatista> everybody: this is refreshed now https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zKwzo26bNVFgohaRB_kdUCsFPY3OcjfcpQklGpkOHpc/
[13:23] <Chipaca> facubatista: ack
[15:49] <facubatista> niemeyer, Chipaca, this is refreshed with all we talked about: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zKwzo26bNVFgohaRB_kdUCsFPY3OcjfcpQklGpkOHpc/
[15:49] <facubatista> note that having one env var is nice and simple, it complicates a little the case for multiple hooks, there is one comment (the only one I left) for this
[16:16]  * facubatista -> lunch
[16:37]  * facubatista -> lunch, for real now
[16:37]  * Chipaca intercepted facu before his lunch
[16:37] <Chipaca> mea culpa, mea culpa, etc
[17:47]  * facubatista is back
[17:50]  * Chipaca celebrates
[18:20] <Chipaca> I'm going to go ahead and EOD
[18:20] <Chipaca> y'all be good
[20:26]  * facubatista eods


[03:41] <bkerensa> epic fail... so Canonical sent a DHL tracking number to mailing list and I "rejected" it but checked forward to me well it never forwarded
[03:41] <bkerensa> =/
[04:01] <nathwill> i'm super flabbergasted by ubuntu mailing lists
[04:01] <nathwill> they seem all kinds of messed up
[06:00] <bkerensa> nathwill: why?
[15:29] <tgm4883> nathwill, what did you do besides take the webpage list of contributors and match it against our roster?
[15:29] <tgm4883> I only get 10 names
[15:32] <tgm4883> bkerensa_, our only roster is on LP now right?
[15:32] <tgm4883> we removed the one from the wiki?
[16:09] <tgm4883> bkerensa_, nathwill so I just did a quick program using the LP API to compare the contributors webpage against our LP roster   https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-us-or/+junk/get-contributors
[16:10] <tgm4883> I get 10 contributors from our team, which is far less that the power point IIRC
[16:16] <nathwill> second tgm4833, checkin'
[16:16] <nathwill> pretty sure the contributors page was all i checked
[16:16] <nathwill> i'm branching your api toy
[16:16] <nathwill> :)
[16:21] <nathwill> blaaah.... can't remember if i'm on debian or rhel system, keep using wrong pkg mgr
[16:31] <tgm4883> nathwill, yea I didn't see anywhere else to get that sort of data
[16:32] <tgm4883> but I didn't see different teams listed anywhere either
[16:49] <nathwill> tgm4883, so i didn't document what i did anywhere, but essentially it was wget the membership page, wget the credits page, grep the membership page to get the members list, then grep the credits page for the each of the resultant list
[16:49] <tgm4883> nathwill, which membership page did you use?
[16:49] <tgm4883> the one on LP?
[16:49] <nathwill> tgm4883, yessir
[16:49] <tgm4883> hmm
[16:49] <tgm4883> do you recall the numbers from your PP?
[16:49] <nathwill> yeah. it's confusing now trying to get back to it
[16:49] <nathwill> PP?
[16:50] <tgm4883> power point
[16:50] <nathwill> ah
[16:50] <nathwill> i have the power point still, actually
[16:50] <nathwill> let me snag it
[16:51] <nathwill> tgm4883: http://ubuntuone.com/0Lwalz3TGBdHTyEmf45lrb
[16:51] <nathwill> yay ubuntuone
[16:51] <nathwill> i mean, the numbers you're showing are matching my results
[16:52] <nathwill> looks like the report said > 20% contribution for 12.04
[16:52] <tgm4883> ah I misremembered the info
[16:52] <nathwill> you're probably thinking of the goal we want to hit for quantal
[16:52] <nathwill> ~50%
[16:53] <tgm4883> nah, I was thinking 20% of all contributors
[16:53] <nathwill> uh
[16:53] <nathwill> yeah no
[16:53] <tgm4883> which would be a lot bigger number
[16:53] <nathwill> though that would've been impressive
[16:53] <nathwill> nice work on that list-contributors script btw
[16:53] <tgm4883> thanks
[16:53] <nathwill> you should publicize that, and we can try to get some inter-loco competition going
[16:54] <nathwill> :)
[16:54] <tgm4883> Maybe if we can pull the contributors list from a better spot
[16:54]  * nathwill nods
[16:54] <nathwill> we should check with whoever generated the list on how they got that
[16:54] <tgm4883> it's easy enough to fix it up for easier changing of the loco team
[16:54] <nathwill> i imagine it's a uniq'd list of merged branches that made it into 12.04
[16:54] <tgm4883> who would know how that list was made?
[16:55] <tgm4883> *cough* slangasek *cough*
[16:55] <nathwill> i think dholbach
[16:55] <nathwill> if you check the wiki revision history, it looks like he put it up
[17:03] <slangasek> hmm?
[17:20] <bkerensa_> nathwill: the release team handles the credits
[17:29] <tgm4883> muahahaha
[17:30] <tgm4883> nathwill, pull down rev2 and run it with -h
[17:32] <tgm4883> rev3 that is
[17:34] <tgm4883> hmm, 18343 loco teams
[17:34] <tgm4883> it would take a long time to run a report on all teams :/
[17:36] <nathwill> hehe
[17:37] <tgm4883> ubuntu-ca takes a long time to run
[17:38] <nathwill> tgm4883, i'd suggest converting the percent to an actual percent and trimming it to .1
[17:39] <tgm4883> that makes sense
[17:42] <bkerensa_> tgm4883: ImportError: No module named BeautifulSoup
[17:42] <bkerensa_> =/
[17:42] <tgm4883> bkerensa_,  python-beautifulsoup
[17:42] <tgm4883> you need to install that
[17:42] <tgm4883> it's in the repos
[17:42] <bkerensa_> what module is that though?
[17:42] <bkerensa_> I have never heard of that py module
[17:44] <nathwill> it's the beautifulsoup module!
[17:44] <nathwill> :D
[17:46] <bkerensa_> tgm4883: is there any way to compare loco to loco?
[17:46] <bkerensa_> :P
[17:46] <tgm4883> bkerensa_, not  yet
[17:46] <bkerensa_> or maybe even just have a loco specific flag
[17:46] <tgm4883> we should add a feature request list somewhere
[17:46] <bkerensa_> -l loconame
[17:46] <bkerensa_> :D
[17:46] <tgm4883> bkerensa_, use -h, I have that ;)
[17:46] <bkerensa_> tgm4883: you should blog about this
[17:46] <bkerensa_> would be epic
[17:46] <tgm4883> bkerensa_, I will, just need to add some more features/bug fixes to it first
[17:47] <tgm4883> but before that, I need to track down some phishing emails that just went to a bunch of people here :(
[17:48] <bkerensa_> tgm4883: so with the flag can I just put ubuntu-uk ?
[17:48] <tgm4883> yes
[17:48] <bkerensa_> kk
[17:49] <bkerensa_> I imagine its gonna take awhile
[17:49] <bkerensa_> they have 954 members
[17:49] <tgm4883> yea, it takes longer for the bigger teams
[17:49] <tgm4883> that will probably take 5 minutes
[17:54] <nathwill> wouldn't they be ubuntu-us-ca?
[17:54] <tgm4883> nathwill, not according to their wiki
[17:54] <nathwill> hrm
[17:54] <bkerensa_> tgm4883: wow UK has like one of the largest rosters
[17:54] <nathwill> ubuntu-canada
[17:54] <bkerensa_> and we still almost nearly punish them in commits
[17:54] <bkerensa_> >.<
[17:54] <bkerensa_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1051297/
[17:54] <bkerensa_> were off by like two contributions
[17:56] <tgm4883> contributors
[17:57] <bkerensa_> ahh
[17:57] <bkerensa_> it doesnt look at commits?
[17:57] <tgm4883> nope
[17:57] <bkerensa_> :( oh
[17:57] <tgm4883> it would take a lot longer to run I think
[17:57]  * bkerensa_ was just singing praise to your script
[17:57] <bkerensa_> :P
[18:01] <nathwill> yeah, ubuntu-uk is massive... script seems to handle it pretty darned well though
[18:01] <tgm4883> nathwill, fixed, rev 7
[18:02] <bkerensa> =/
[18:02] <nathwill> pulling
[18:02] <bkerensa> thefinn93's vps is trying to use my nick
[18:02] <bkerensa> :(
[18:02] <nathwill> ha
[18:03] <nathwill> :) me gusta
[18:03] <bkerensa> Ugh I had to go out to Beaverton yesterday.... it was not so fun :P
[18:05] <nathwill> shopping with a lady is rarely fun
[18:05] <nathwill> they have much more stamina for it than i do.
[18:07] <tgm4883> anyone know of a way to see who owns a google form?
[18:08] <bkerensa> nathwill: :P I was not shopping in beaverton =/
[18:08]  * bkerensa had to go loan money to that one friend
[18:08] <nathwill> thought you were done w/ that...
[18:10] <bkerensa> I kind of am... but they have a kid and I kind of didn't wanna see their kid sleeping in a car or something like that so I gave them a loan
[18:10] <bkerensa> =/
[18:10] <bkerensa> it was pretty big too... enough to get their rent covered so he better pay me on Friday =x
[18:12] <nathwill> tgm4883, you should build an error handler for "team not found"
[18:12] <tgm4883> yea probably
[18:12] <nathwill> on the other hand... it's clear that there's an error, lol
[18:13] <nathwill> bbiaf, lunching
[18:32] <tgm4883> bkerensa, out of the stats provided, what would be the best to compare two teams?
[18:32] <bkerensa> uhh idk =/
[18:32] <tgm4883> I'm thinking contributors percent vs self
[18:38] <bkerensa> tgm4883: thats perhaps a good way
[18:38] <bkerensa> tgm4883: it would be interesting to eventually have a way to gather commits that are accepted into branches
[18:49] <tgm4883> bkerensa, revision 8 for you
[19:11] <bkerensa> tgm4883: nice I gotta check out my new desktop stereo system :D
[19:11] <bkerensa> its so amazing :D


[00:07] <mparillo_> Probably Kubuntu wire which feeds Planet KDE and Planet Ubuntu.
[02:30] <ahoneybun> damn it KCM
[08:00] <sick_rimmit> Good Morning
[08:04] <Riddell> hola
[08:27] <Tm_T> Riddell: testers factoid updated
[08:27] <Riddell> thanks Tm_T
[08:52] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:05] <Riddell> hola chicos
[09:09] <clivejo> :( I hate Windows, its been installing all night and still only at Installing update 126 of 206
[09:10] <clivejo> thats me put in a bad mood for the day
[09:17] <Riddell> ooh that's bad, I tried to upgrade to windows 8.1 when I got fed up for it telling me too and it took all night and in the morning it said "upgrade failed, will now downgrade" and it took another day to get back to 8.0
[09:17] <soee_> Riddell: looks like ksysguard issue has been fixed
[09:18] <Riddell> soee_: yep it finally transitioned, still waiting on plasma-desktop
[09:18] <soee_> atleast it doesn twant to remove plasma-dekstop  anymore :)
[09:19] <clivejo> I really want to format it and put Kubuntu on it
[09:21] <soee_> nd done :) no errors
[09:26] <clivejo> is wayland already in wily?
[09:27] <Riddell> clivejo: you know you want to
[09:27] <Riddell> clivejo: there's some wayland bits around but nothing uses it yet, you need the latest kwin from git to do that
[09:27] <clivejo> not my machine though!  It was full of virus'ssssss
[09:36] <clivejo> will wily be based on wayland?
[10:34] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[10:39] <clivejo> hi BluesKaj
[10:39] <BluesKaj> hi clivejo
[12:27] <mparillo> ximion: You willing to be the subject of a Kubuntu Wire Post? Do you have any sites you might want mentioned (other than the kubuntu membership application)? If you have a G+ Identity, I can also post a link to that via the Kubuntu G+ account.
[12:29] <ximion> mparillo: you could mention my blog (blog.tenstral.net), on G+ I am +MatthiasKlumpp
[12:42] <soee_> upgraded my development server (web dev) from debian 7 to debian 8 and it works much better i must say :)
[12:49] <soee_> Riddell: each nvidia driver version needs some special configuration to work in sddm >
[12:49] <soee_> *with sddm
[12:56] <ximion> Debian 8 is a gorgeous release :)
[13:44] <BluesKaj> quote, "The Kubuntu team are committed to releasing 15.10 in October. Updates, bug fixes and future releases are currently uncertain." Who wrote tha on the Wily alpha release page.  Seems irresponsible, it's creating speculation and rumours already about Kubuntu's demise.
[14:56] <palasso> BluesKaj: I think Riddell wrote it according to history: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/Alpha1/Kubuntu?action=diff&rev2=45&rev1=44
[14:56] <palasso> It's already reported on phoronix
[14:57] <BluesKaj> palasso, yes, thanks for that, I realized that after I posted my remarks
[17:36] <ahoneybun> this link will still be active right? http://kubuntu.org/community
[18:08] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[18:08] <_Groo_> Riddell: sooo, what is this stuff phoronix is talking about, about kubuntu future?
[18:14] <ahoneybun> hey Etriaph
[18:14] <Etriaph> Hey man
[18:14] <Etriaph> How goes it?
[18:17] <ahoneybun> http://i.imgur.com/QlrYf6D.png
[18:17] <ahoneybun> what do you think Etriaph
[18:18] <Etriaph> Is it a DVD insert?
[18:19] <Etriaph> "Know someone who does not now about Kubuntu?" <-- should be "not know about"
[18:21] <Etriaph> Where it says "Try it. Love it, Share it!" could maybe read "Try it. Love it? Share it!" ?
[18:22] <ahoneybun> opps lol
[18:23] <Etriaph> It's visually appealing, I would suggest (other than the typos) is not using the Ubuntu font for anything but the Kubuntu trademark.  Oxygen Sans is the default KDE font, that would be the choice I'd make to keep the typography distinct between brand and content.
[18:23] <ahoneybun> yes Etriaph it is a DVD
[18:24] <ahoneybun> true, I was thinking about that
[18:25] <Etriaph> Also maybe swap the Kubuntu with the text on the bottom of the two coloured pages so it reads: Kubuntu before the version number, same on the other side with the "Try it. Love it? Share it!"
[18:26] <Etriaph> People tend to put brand names before any other particulars or slogans.
[18:28] <ahoneybun> other then those though, looks good Etriaph?
[18:28] <Etriaph> Yes, sorry if that seems like a list :D
[18:28] <ahoneybun> done. uploading
[18:28] <Etriaph> I've worked with a lot of designers and learned to put their hats on when I needed to.  :D
[18:29] <ahoneybun> nice, Etriaph http://i.imgur.com/gG8mtzP.png
[18:30] <Etriaph> That looks excellent Aaron.
[18:30] <Etriaph> Now to start burning ISOs :D
[18:30] <ahoneybun> thanks
[18:30] <ahoneybun> I just need to make sure of the artwork is being used right
[18:30] <ahoneybun> if I need to put some names on there
[18:31] <ahoneybun> like "Artwork done by KDE Artwork Team" or something
[18:31] <Etriaph> Well, I'm sure it wouldn't be difficult to figure out who created the wallpaper for Plasma 5.
[18:32] <Etriaph> And though it's likely released under the CC license, it would be nice of you to acknowledge them
[18:35] <ahoneybun> I do want to acknowledge them
[18:35] <ahoneybun> and don't want people to think for even a second that it is my work
[18:36] <ahoneybun> ScottK: I need some legal advise on this: http://i.imgur.com/gG8mtzP.png
[18:36] <ScottK> Legal advice comes from lawyers.
[18:37] <ScottK> I would replace the word legal with free.
[18:38] <Etriaph> ScottK: Good point.
[18:38] <ahoneybun> free advise then?
[18:38] <ScottK> ahoneybun: You can also link to http://www.kubuntu.org/legal if you want.
[18:39] <ahoneybun> I just want credits to be in the right place
[18:40] <ScottK> OK.  I'd replace legal with free and then add a link to the legal page.
[18:44] <ahoneybun> new version: http://i.imgur.com/URNOW0H.png
[18:52] <ahoneybun> ScottK: is that clear enought for a printing and making of DVD's?
[18:53] <ScottK> Except /legal is more than copyright.
[18:54] <ScottK> I would change legal to free and then just say something like, "For details see [link]."
[18:55] <ahoneybun> oh right
[18:58] <ahoneybun> ScottK: better? http://i.imgur.com/yvisXHN.png
[18:59] <ScottK> Better.  I was thinking about putting the for details bit immediately after free to copy and share.
[18:59] <ScottK> Not at the bottom.
[19:00] <ScottK> Then it's clear what it refers to
[19:00] <ahoneybun> maybe a * to link down to it
[19:03] <ScottK> I would just do it as details. and not worry about it.
[19:03] <ScottK> No need to actually display the URL.
[19:04] <ahoneybun> this is a dvd cover
[19:04] <ahoneybun> http://i.imgur.com/Met3BdZ.png
[19:13] <ScottK> That works.
[19:13] <ScottK> Didn't realize it was for printed material.
[19:14] <ScottK> Burying the hyperlink works rather less well in print.
[19:31] <ahoneybun> lol
[19:31] <ahoneybun> working on the back now
[19:31] <ahoneybun> ScottK: so it is all good free wise then?
[19:31] <ScottK> I think so.
[19:31] <ScottK> (IANAL and all)
[19:32] <ahoneybun> awesome
[19:33] <ahoneybun> ScottK: I'll bring this up to the rest of the KC then
[19:33] <ScottK> No.  I don't think it's needed.
[19:33] <ahoneybun> oh?
[19:33] <ScottK> The KC is really for resolving disputes and making high level policy decisions.
[19:33] <ScottK> The KC doesn't need to review DVD jacket designs.
[19:34] <ahoneybun> oh ok but is it really just up for me to make the decision?
[19:34] <ScottK> Send a mail to kubuntu-devel and see if anyone objects.
[19:34] <ScottK> Then JFDI.
[19:34] <ahoneybun> jfdi?
[19:34] <ScottK> Just "really" Do It.
[19:35] <ahoneybun> I'm thinking the F stands for something else lol
[19:35] <ScottK> Thus the quotes.
[19:35] <ahoneybun> XD
[19:37] <ahoneybun> snet
[19:37] <ahoneybun> *sent
[20:05] <clivejo> 24hours later and windows 7 is STILL updating!
[20:28] <sgclark> ahoneybun: stick to 15.04 CDs no one at akademy will want kde4
[20:28] <ahoneybun> I saw that
[20:29] <ahoneybun> sgclark: every nonLTS release gets 9months of suppot
[20:29] <ahoneybun> *support
[20:29] <ahoneybun> not 18 anymore
[20:29] <sgclark> oof ok
[20:29] <ahoneybun> so once 15.10 comes out, users and wait 3 months to move from 15.04
[20:30] <ahoneybun> *can
[20:30] <sgclark> not much we can do, plasma5 will not be backported to trusty. qt5 got to be too much of a hassel.
[20:30] <ahoneybun> oh I see
[20:30] <sgclark> of course 16.04 we will be golden
[20:31] <ahoneybun> that will be a great and awesome releae
[20:31] <ahoneybun> *release
[20:31] <sgclark> yep
[20:34] <ahoneybun> valorie: new DVD artwork: http://imgur.com/a/axpzW
[20:38] <valorie> very nice!
[20:38] <clivejo> ahoneybun: are you putting these on the website for download?
[20:38] <clivejo> also, why dont you put the url on there too
[20:39] <valorie> clivejo: my sympathies about windows
[20:39] <ahoneybun> clivejo: what what?
[20:39] <valorie> I have to use windows to pay bills, and it is a Major Pain
[20:39] <clivejo> for help, support or a chat visit www.kubuntu.org
[20:39] <clivejo> same here valorie
[20:40] <clivejo> I fix them
[20:40] <clivejo> and all I want to do is put linux on them
[20:40] <valorie> well, this is my husband's computer
[20:40] <clivejo> Im so sick to death of Windows is Updating
[20:40] <valorie> and I don't want to be his computer support
[20:41] <valorie> and if I turn our bill paying stuff into linux, guess who will get stuck paying the bills forever?
[20:41] <valorie> no thanks, he can deal
[20:41] <ahoneybun> valorie: I moved my dad to Kubuntu and I stopped being his support after he left Windows lol
[20:42] <clivejo> Id move my mum to Kubuntu, but I know that the printer doesnt work and thats a big deal for her
[20:42] <ahoneybun> also notice on new artwork that I talk about Muon Discover not the Ubuntu Software Center thing lol
[20:42] <ahoneybun> clivejo: Printer/Scanner/Fax worked for me
[20:42] <clivejo> ahoneybun: so people can download the artwork from kubuntu.org
[20:43] <ahoneybun> clivejo: for the dvd?
[20:43] <clivejo> yes
[20:43] <ahoneybun> not a bad idea really
[20:43] <sgclark> it is the default wallpaper
[20:43] <clivejo> and put the website on the artwork
[20:43] <clivejo> maybe beside the downland iso ?
[20:45] <clivejo> while its downloading, you could be printing the cover :)
[20:45] <sgclark> good idea, for folks that go to conventions unprepared like me!
[20:46] <ahoneybun> lol
[20:46] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: I know your awake
[20:46] <ahoneybun> XD
[20:46]  * ahoneybun pushes that idea to ovidiu-florin and puts it on the trello board
[20:47] <clivejo> wow, windows is finally updated. Two days later after a recover!
[20:47] <ahoneybun> damn
[20:47] <clivejo> 4Gb of updates!
[20:47] <ahoneybun> what...
[20:48] <sgclark> heh, they need point releases lol. Unfortunately you get one CD (if your lucky) and that is it, hense the brutal reinstalls
[20:49] <clivejo> I have a huge upload to mapillary to do, my ISP is gonna love me!
[20:50] <ahoneybun> there you go clivejo
[20:50] <clivejo> thanks ahoneybun
[20:50] <clivejo> is there DVD label art?
[20:50] <ahoneybun> np
[20:51] <ahoneybun> I've yet to do that
[20:51] <ahoneybun> was wondering if I should
[20:51] <ahoneybun> I don't have the design to work with from the Design team
[20:52] <ahoneybun> I would think the DVD cost would go up a lt
[20:52] <ahoneybun> *lot
[20:54] <ahoneybun> clivejo: I'll try to get the template
[20:54] <clivejo> more a personal thing
[20:54] <ahoneybun> true but it would be nice
[20:54] <clivejo> I like to print out labels
[20:55] <ahoneybun> cool
[20:57] <clivejo> whats the best M$ Office alt on Windows?
[20:57] <clivejo> LibreOffice?
[20:57] <ahoneybun> LibreOffice
[20:58] <clivejo> Ill intall that on it ;)
[20:58] <ahoneybun> nice
[20:59] <clivejo> what is the difference between still and fresh?
[20:59] <ahoneybun> I think Still: LTS;  Fresh: non-LTS
[20:59] <ahoneybun> 4.4.3 is a great release
[20:59] <clivejo> thats the fresh one?
[20:59] <clivejo> whats on wily?
[21:00] <clivejo> 4.4.2
[21:02] <ahoneybun> http://packages.ubuntu.com/wily/libreoffice
[21:02] <ahoneybun> yep
[21:02] <ahoneybun> might need to be repackaged
[21:02] <clivejo> *hides*
[21:06] <valorie> that is one beast to package, that I know
[21:06] <clivejo> I can imagine
[21:08] <clivejo> does Nixie Pixel use Kubuntu?
[21:09] <valorie> I don't follow her often, but I've never seen that
[21:13] <ahoneybun> see often talks about Ubuntu
[21:48] <ahoneybun> valorie: sgclark clivejo http://i.imgur.com/Xa8zBAy.png
[21:48] <clivejo> could you but the colours as a background?
[21:49] <ahoneybun> that is imgur
[21:49] <ahoneybun> http://imgur.com/a/axpzW
[21:56] <valorie> nice
[21:56] <ahoneybun> :)
[22:00] <clivejo> ahoneybun: I meant something with the colours, like this - http://postimg.org/image/9kq9s9rgh/
[22:00] <clivejo> but away from the blue as its clashing with the gear logo
[22:01] <clivejo> the gear logo around the dvd hole is a nice touch, I likes it a lot
[22:02] <valorie> me too
[22:02] <sgclark> oh neat
[22:03] <clivejo> maybe put the Kubuntu logo at the top, with the full codename in a different font?
[22:18] <clivejo> ahoneybun: something like this? http://s18.postimg.org/ad67q1lyh/Colour_DVD_Label2.png
[22:20] <ahoneybun> I just like one color
[22:20] <ahoneybun> I'll work on some designs for it to look cooler
[23:29] <valorie> perhaps the colors in the background could be dimmed out, or blurred
[23:29]  * valorie needs to go afk again