[04:28] <paultag> Any DDs around to review ( and upload if you're feeling rowdy ) a small package I maintain? It fixes two bugs, package is not in Testing, only Unstable.
[04:29] <paultag> My mentor is out for a few weeks -- I put the dsc on my personal server ( that's how we usually work ) -- http://me.pault.ag/fbautostart_2.7182-2.dsc
[04:29] <paultag> pbuilds fine, ran lintian with --pedantic, came out great.
[04:29] <persia> You might also want to try #debian-ubuntu@OFTC
[04:30] <paultag> persia, I don't like bugging them, seems like it's usually quiet in there, and I don't want to get everyone awake for such a small package :)
[04:31] <persia> Folk read backscroll, and there's a greater concentration of DDs there than here :)
[04:31] <persia> Since it's not -mentors, you won't even be repeating yourself
[04:31] <paultag> persia, cool. Cheers, thanks
[06:49] <dholbach> good morning!
[08:24] <hrw> hi
[08:54] <Rhonda> I guess it's fine to remove jaunty from wiki.ubuntu.com frontpage in the supported release section?
[08:55]  * Rhonda . o O ( done )
[09:12] <persia> Rhonda, Indeed, it ought be fine to do so.
[11:41] <ari-tczew> ScottK: got a time today?
[11:42] <ScottK> Probably, but not for at least an hour.
[12:02] <ari-tczew> ScottK: got a time today?
[12:04] <Rhonda> That were only 20 minutes.
[12:05] <persia> Indeed.
[12:07] <\sh> ari-tczew: you queried me
[12:14] <ari-tczew> \sh: that's right, I wanted to ask about depends on firefox | abrowser | www-browser, but chrisccoulson answered to me yesterday on mozilla team channel. The merge is here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wysihtml/0.13-5.1ubuntu1
[12:15] <ari-tczew> Rhonda: hmmm, I lost my internet connection 35 minutes ago. I didn't know whether my question has been sent.
[12:16] <\sh> ari-tczew: oh well, I'm not the right person for <insert your fav browser package here> ;)
[12:16] <ari-tczew> \sh: but you put this depends to package, so I would ask you.
[12:16] <Rhonda> ari-tczew: That's what the irclogs are useful for, to check. :9
[12:17] <Rhonda> ari-tczew: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/11/03/%23ubuntu-motu.txt
[12:18] <\sh> ari-tczew: ah...that was long time ago..and actually, we are shipping firefox / mozilla foo instead of debians iceweasel/ape/snake/dog/foo ;)
[12:18] <ari-tczew> thanks Rhonda. probably I lost connection after my message. really 16/1 mbit is not enough? :)
[12:18] <Laney> doesn't firefox Provide: iceweasel?
[12:19] <\sh> Laney: in old times no...I think I touched it during gutsy cycle...so long time ago
[12:19] <Laney> probably makes more sense for it to provide abrowser anyway
[12:19] <Rhonda> \sh: It's not "debian's". The reason for the renaming was to unbrand it, not to debian-brand it.
[12:19]  * Laney has thought about this not at all
[12:20] <\sh> Rhonda: yes..but regarding upstream of ubuntu == debian ;) that's what I wanted to say...:)
[12:20] <persia> Rhonda, While that was the rationale, has anyone else (excluding Debian derivatives) adopted that?
[12:23] <ScottK> persia: If others had it would then be an alternative brand, not an unbrand, so I think that's beside the point.
[12:25] <persia> ScottK, I agree it's beside the point of Debian rebranding it, but I think it may be the source of the perception that it is a Debian brand.
[12:25] <Rhonda> persia: Well, ubuntu did unbrand it to "abrowser" in the beginning, and I didn't follow what other distributions did.
[12:25] <persia> And I ask out of genuine curiosity, rather than in an attempt to suggest Rhonda is misinformed (as this is clearly not the case)
[12:27] <persia> "abrowser" is still about, and suffers from the same issues (although because the patchset/branding for abrowser differs from that of iceweasel, they oughtn't have the same name)
[12:28] <\sh> is someone firm with python setuptools and why it doesn't execute install_data action during install anymore, when you overwrite it with your own class?
[12:28] <ScottK> OK.  I read that as "the change Debian made" rather than Debian's brand.
[12:28] <ScottK> \sh: I think barry is your man for that question.
[12:28] <directhex> IceWeasel(tm)(r)
[12:29] <\sh> ScottK: thx :)
[12:30] <ScottK> ari-tczew: What's up?
[12:30] <persia> directhex, Actually, precisely the opposite.
[12:31] <ari-tczew> ScottK: could you take a look is package ttf-ubuntu-title mergeable?
[12:31] <ScottK> ari-tczew: Do you have a proposed merge?  Last time I looked it made my head hurt.  It wasn't clear to me if Debian or Ubuntu had the correct source.
[12:32] <ari-tczew> ScottK: No, I don't. I'm also confused what's going there.
[12:32] <ScottK> ari-tczew: I think the first question is to establish what's the authoritative upstream for the package.  This will take a bit of detective work.
[12:34] <ari-tczew> mhm
[13:00] <zesoze> hi where can I get help  for Makefile?
[14:28] <ari-tczew> crimsun: ping
[15:32] <ari-tczew> DktrKranz: could you take a look on merge package hp-ppd - is it merge or sync?
[15:34] <DktrKranz> ari-tczew: hp-ppd is unmergeable, IIRC
[15:34] <ari-tczew> DktrKranz: due to versions in debian/changelog?
[15:36] <DktrKranz> exactly: dpkg --compare-versions 0.9-0.1 gt 0.9ubuntu2; echo $? => 1
[15:37] <DktrKranz> and, IIRC, ubuntu2 alreaedy has the NMU included
[15:41] <ari-tczew> ok thanks. I must report a bug against MoM - blacklist merges
[15:50] <eolo999> hi, how do i get a list of open bugs related to python packages?
[15:51] <ScottK> eolo999: Look for the ~pythonistas and ~pythoneers teams in Launchpad and the bug lists for each.
[15:52] <eolo999> thx
[15:52] <eolo999> ;)
[15:55] <eolo999> ScottK: 2 bugs there (pythonistas+pythoneers), am I wrong?
[15:55]  * ScottK looks
[15:56] <eolo999> ok found
[15:56] <eolo999> i have to list subscribed packages
[15:56] <ScottK> Looks like you have to do https://bugs.launchpad.net/~pythonistas/+packagebugs
[15:56] <ScottK> Yes.
[15:58] <bilalakhtar> ScottK: Are the ~python{istas,eers} subscribed to ALL python packages?
[15:59] <ScottK> bilalakhtar: No.  They are subscribed to the ones doko and myself noticed.  If some need adding, let me know.
[15:59] <bilalakhtar> okay
[17:10] <ari-tczew> cjwatson: could you take a look, whether if you delete package hp-ppd, does MoM will regenerate again?
[17:24] <cjwatson> ari-tczew: what's wrong with it?
[17:25] <ari-tczew> cjwatson: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/11/03/%23ubuntu-motu.html#t15:32
[17:25] <ari-tczew> due to mistake versions in d/changelog. similiar case as with ilohamail
[17:26] <cjwatson> I don't see why asking MoM to regenerate would make the slightest bit of difference
[17:26] <cjwatson> perhaps I'm not understanding your question
[17:27] <ari-tczew> cjwatson: we can't merge this one. I want to hide it on MoM.
[17:27] <ari-tczew> cjwatson: and some packages needs hide as well
[17:27] <cjwatson> the bit of your question that confused me was "does MoM will regenerate again?"
[17:27] <cjwatson> if your request is to get rid of hp-ppd from the merge list, then I can do that
[17:28] <ari-tczew> cjwatson: ya, so please do this :)
[17:28] <cjwatson> in future, please file this sort of thing as a bug against merge-o-matic.  I think I already asked for this a couple of weeks ago
[17:29] <ari-tczew> cjwatson: file a bug for every package?
[17:30] <cjwatson> file a bug for each action you wish a merge-o-matic admin to take
[17:31] <ari-tczew> cjwatson: hmm. or file a one bug for the same action. then updating bug for new action in this same case.
[17:31] <cjwatson> this means that it won't forever be bottlenecked on just me (while it's true that I'm the only active MoM admin right now, I'm sure that won't always be the case)
[17:31] <cjwatson> one bug per action
[17:32] <cjwatson> if you go around reopening bugs for updated actions then I'm guaranteed to get confused.
[17:32] <cjwatson> and if you aggregate multiple things into the same bug then I'll probably end up picking a random subset of them to do
[17:33] <ari-tczew> cjwatson: hmm. I've noticed that you're tired working on MoM (or due to pings on you to MoM). sorry then.
[17:33] <cjwatson> huh?  no, I'm asking for you to use a more convenient form for reports so that I can process them more effectively
[17:33] <cjwatson> I'm not tired of it
[17:34] <cjwatson> I just don't want IRC to be the mechanism by which I'm asked for this sort of thing, because it will get lost
[17:34] <ari-tczew> cjwatson: I got the point. I'll report with list including a couple of packages to hide on MoM.
[17:34] <cjwatson> and IRC forces me to make a choice between (a) interrupt whatever I'm doing to take the action or (b) forget about it, neither of which is ideal
[17:34] <cjwatson> thank you
[17:35] <cjwatson> I think I probably need to add a way to merge-blacklist a single version
[17:36] <ari-tczew> cjwatson: I just wanted to file a wish against MoM. [16:41] <ari-tczew> ok thanks. I must report a bug against MoM - blacklist merges
[17:36] <cjwatson> otherwise you'll never find out about future Debian versions of hp-ppd
[17:36] <cjwatson> that would be Invalid, since it already has a way to blacklist merges
[17:36] <cjwatson> what it doesn't have is a way to blacklist individual versions from merging
[17:37] <ari-tczew> cjwatson: hmmm. maybe should be created a separate department like - blacklist.hmtl
[17:37] <ari-tczew> html*
[17:37] <cjwatson> if you want the merge-blacklist published, file a bug for that, sure
[17:38] <ari-tczew> cjwatson: then we won't loose informations about blacklisted merges
[17:38] <cjwatson> oh, no, I'd rather just blacklist individual versions
[17:39] <ari-tczew> cjwatson: versions? but I'm afraid about: <cjwatson> otherwise you'll never find out about future Debian versions of hp-ppd
[17:39] <cjwatson> that's what blacklisting individual versions would fix
[17:39] <cjwatson> I know what I mean :)
[17:39] <ari-tczew> cjwatson: mhm.... let's do this then.
[17:39] <cjwatson> already working on it
[17:40] <ari-tczew> cjwatson: so - report bug or not? ;)
[17:41] <cjwatson> report a bug please
[21:54] <xteejx> Hia ll
[21:54] <xteejx> Hi all
[21:55] <xteejx> package threadscope FTBFS, build-dep on libghc6-ghc-events-dev, but its not in our repos. It is in unstable ??
[21:55] <xteejx> I mean it IS in unstable, can it be synced over?
[21:55] <persia> xteejx, Try `rmadison -u debian ...`
[21:55] <geser> xteejx: or the PTS
[21:55] <persia> Check the NEW queue: it may already have been.
[21:55] <xteejx> persia: How do I do that?
[21:55] <micahg> xteejx: it's in natty, might be in NEW
[21:55] <persia> ( https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+queue )
[21:56] <xteejx> ahhh :) thanks
[21:56] <xteejx> persia: Nope, not int eh queue
[21:56] <xteejx> not in the *
[21:57] <geser> published 20 hours ago
[21:57] <micahg> xteejx: it's in natty, just needs to be given back then
[21:57] <geser> the binaries
[21:57] <xteejx> given back??
[21:57] <micahg> xteejx: the build given back for another try to build
[21:57] <geser> "ask" the buildds to try again
[21:57] <xteejx> ohhh is that done manually?
[21:58] <persia> Yeah, needs someone to press the button.
[21:58] <geser> yes
[21:58]  * persia goes to press some buttons
[21:58] <xteejx> in that case, can I ask that threadscope be done too, its only the build-dep stopping it afai can see
[21:58]  * geser points persia at ubuntu-build if he prefers to use a keyboard instead
[21:59]  * xteejx points at a cow in the field ... is that it?
[21:59]  * xteejx presses an udder......ummm that didn't seem to work!?
[21:59] <persia> geser, Thanks.  I'll try that next time.
[22:00]  * micahg didn't know it was that easy
[22:00] <persia> xteejx, threadscope given-back on all architectures
[22:00] <persia> micahg, If something didn't build, and you have upload rights, a rebuild can be requested.
[22:00] <xteejx> persia: Wow, either its easy or you work extremely fast, both are good ;) PS Thank you :)
[22:00] <micahg> persia: that I know, I was just looking at ubuntu-build, it's real simple
[22:00]  * persia usually encounters failure records from the ubuntuwire FTBFS page, so already has the buttons present
[22:00]  * micahg is thinking to extend ubuntu-build for packagesets
[22:01] <geser> micahg: give-back a whole packageset?
[22:01] <persia> micahg, How so?
[22:01] <micahg> geser: no, just report on it
[22:02] <persia> Oh, that's a good idea.  Please do.  Remember that a package can be in an arbitrary number of packagesets
[22:02] <micahg> persia: indeed, but it would be easier to see if any of the packages in my package set are FTBFS if there was a tool that just looked at those packages
[22:03] <geser> that wouldn't be too hard to implement
[22:03] <persia> Err, yeah.  And if I manage to pull off my MOTU hat, I can even see how that might be a good idea.
[22:04] <geser> perhaps I'll implement it when I find some time for coding (if micahg doesn't get it done before me)
[22:04] <geser> micahg: can you file a wishlist bug for it?
[22:05] <micahg> geser: sure, I'll take a look at teh FTBFS page code this weekend and see if there's an easy way to select by packageset
[22:07] <micahg> geser: I think there should be 2 changes, 1. packagesets added to FTBFS page, 2.  Individual packageset lists
[22:07] <geser> micahg: shouldn't be that hard, as ubuntu-build can already operate on a package list, you would just need to populate that package list from the packageset instead of the command line
[22:08] <persia> micahg, For 1) do you mean a per-package list, or separations?
[22:08] <micahg> geser: and I can already do that with edit_acl.py in the u-a-t
[22:08] <micahg> persia: just added to the list like the sponsorship queue
[22:09] <persia> Ah, that ought be fairly easy, indeed.
[22:10] <geser> micahg: you mean an additional column with the package sets or seperates lists (like for main, universe, etc.) for the package sets? or would you prefer seperate pages for each package set?
[22:10] <micahg> maybe I can even do it tonight on my way home
[22:10] <micahg> geser: additional column
[22:10] <micahg> geser: separate lists might be nice as well, but that can come later
[22:11] <geser> might be hard to find the needed space for the additional column without making the other ones too narrow
[22:12] <micahg> geser: we used to have 3 more arches listed, I think I can make it fit ;)
[22:12] <geser> I was happy to be able to make some columns a little bit wider when some architectures got removed
[22:12] <micahg> geser: would you prefer listing by packageset instead of the current setup or as another page?
[22:13] <geser> micahg: if I would be interested in one specific package set, I would prefer to have them in a seperate list (or even page) instead of searching for them in the whole list
[22:14] <micahg> geser: indeed, but if there's not included in this list, MOTUs might work on the packageset packages where the unseeded need love
[22:14] <micahg> *they're
[22:16] <geser> hmm
[22:16] <micahg> geser: where can I find the code for the FTBFS page?
[22:18]  * micahg tried lp:ubuntuwire-website
[22:18] <geser> micahg: https://code.launchpad.net/~geser/+junk/qa-ftbfs or follow the link at the end of the FTBFS page
[22:19] <micahg> geser: would you prefer a merge proposal or a diff?
[22:19]  * geser didn't know of lp:ubuntuwire-website
[22:20] <geser> micahg: merge proposal would probably be better to credit you but a diff works too (what's easier for you)
[22:20] <micahg> merge is easier in this case
[22:21] <geser> I'm also thinking about replacing the genshi templates with jinja (or mako)
[22:21] <micahg> bzr: ERROR: Invalid http response for https://code.launchpad.net/~geser/%2Bjunk/qa-ftbfs/.bzr/branch-format: Unable to handle http code 405: expected 200 or 404 for full response.
[22:21] <geser> interesting
[22:22] <ajmitch> that's a bit odd
[22:23] <geser> just tested "bzr branch lp:~geser/+junk/qa-ftbfs" myself and it worked for me
[22:23] <ajmitch> proxy breaking it?
[22:23] <micahg> user error :-/
[22:24]  * micahg branched the URL instead of lp:
[22:24] <persia> I don't think the source of the tools that happen to be hosted on ubuntuwire are really the same project as ubuntuwire-website.
[22:24]  * ajmitch thought that worked, maybe it's only bazaar.lp.net urls that do
[22:29] <geser> micahg: what about a column which contains only a checkmark if the package is part of a package set and display the packages sets in a tooltip for it? that wouldn't use that much space (additional to the table for each package set)
[22:33] <persia> Trick there is immediate visual identification for packageset developers.
[22:34] <persia> But I agree it would be nice not to degrade the experience too much for MOTU (who are likely to be processing the bulk of the page anyway) to support the addition.
[22:36] <geser> persia: for MOTUs is the mark that the package belongs also to a package set (which one can be seen in the tooltip) and for package set developers are the list with only their package set listed
[22:36] <persia> Oh, now that's a cool idea.  Yeah, with selection view, tooltip is completely sufficient.
[22:37] <persia> And MOTU can use the presence in *any* packageset as a hint that it may not be a priority (as MOTU)
[22:40] <ebroder> Hmm, dumb question, but is there a quick way to get a list of packages I'm TIL for?
[22:41] <geser> visit MoM and search for your name
[22:41] <ebroder> Ah, cool. Looks like I'm off the hook for now :)
[22:42] <ari-tczew> ebroder: or visit http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~lucas/merges.html and search your LP account name
[22:44]  * ari-tczew is afraid about remaining merges in universe. Number can't fall down under 75 this week.
[22:44] <persia> ebroder, In general, if you don't have packages for which you feel you have special expertise that will make it easier to proceed (e.g. complex merge and you've been working with Debian to sort it, but it shouldn't be merged because there is an upload to experimental that would be a sync expected next week), don't worry about being TIL.  Someone who needs the update will poke you, or someone will just do the trivial merge post-DIF.
[22:45] <ebroder> persia: Yeah, sure. I'm just trying to be more responsible this cycle than I was last one
[22:45] <persia> ari-tczew, The number of outstanding merges is not a useful metric, without a detailed understanding of the status of development on the Debian side for each package on the list.
[22:45] <ari-tczew> persia: what do you mean? forwarding delta to Debian?
[22:45] <persia> ebroder, Focus on fixing bugs and being responsive to communication.  Everything else is process wash.
[22:46] <persia> ari-tczew, Unless you inspect each case in detail, you can't know things like whether the delta is already in Debian VCS, or there are pending uploads to experimental sitting in a team staging repo, or similar.  As a result, the raw number may have absolutely no relation to the work to be done.
[22:47] <ari-tczew> persia: I always check whether delta is incorporated in Debian.
[22:48] <ari-tczew> and I don't understand why grabing changes from Debian is wrong.
[22:48] <ari-tczew> persia: That's not like I don't cooperate with Debian. Lately I gained ace-of-penguins Ubuntu = Debian.
[22:48] <persia> Grabbing changes from Debian isn't wrong.  It's impossible to know the state of delta incorporation for the vast majority of packages, as they don't have documented public pre-upload source availability.
[22:51] <ari-tczew> persia: do you know how many changes in Ubuntu are not documented in detail? Looking on your POV, we should do nothing, because there are no details!
[22:52] <persia> What?  I only said the number that appear in MoM is a useless statistic, not that we shouldn't do merges.
[22:52] <ari-tczew> persia: okay I have upload access and let me go working, if I'm not doing anything critical.
[22:54] <persia> You are doing critical stuff.  Please keep doing so.
[22:55] <ari-tczew> persia: we never will understand in this case
[22:56]  * ScottK has mashed retry on all the powerpc FTBFS due to archive skew or the python2.7 FTBFS.
[22:57] <ScottK> powerpc	2	 39 jobs (2 hours 10 minutes) <-- And it built a number already.
[22:57] <ScottK> ari-tczew: He's not telling you not to do work.  He's just telling you not to worry about counting merges.
[22:58] <ari-tczew> ScottK: ok
[22:58] <persia> ScottK, Thanks for the translation :)
[22:58] <micahg> ScottK: PM?
[22:59] <ScottK> Sure
[23:01] <kklimonda_> ScottK: the python-visual ftbfs will take some time so I've assigned it to myself for now. I have to get gtkmm updated first.
[23:01] <ajmitch> python-visual broke again?
[23:01] <ScottK> kklimonda_: Thanks.
[23:02] <ScottK> ajmitch: Needs a rebuild for boost transition, but the gdk-pixbuf .la file disappeared out from under it, so now it's untangling not caring about .la anymore.
[23:02] <ajmitch> as logn as I don't need to touch boost again...
[23:02] <kklimonda_> :D
[23:03] <ScottK> ajmitch: I'm sure we can arrange something.
[23:03] <kklimonda_> ajmitch: next boost is on me ;)
[23:03] <DktrKranz> ari-tczew: FYI, GNUstep transition complete, now it's just a matter of clearing NBS packages.
[23:03] <kklimonda_> (famous last words)
[23:04] <persia> kklimonda_, Brave words, but thanks!
[23:05] <ScottK> Halleluah (sp?)! A new Boost maintainer.
[23:06]  * ScottK passes the torch.
[23:06] <ebroder> ScottK: He said next boost, not all boosts :-P
[23:06] <ScottK> ebroder: Then he's TIL so as long as the rest of us are careful ....
[23:06] <ebroder> Ha!
[23:08]  * persia kinda likes TIL being a level to force people to keep doing stuff rather than a blocker to other people doing stuff
[23:08] <persia> s/level/lever/
[23:10] <ScottK> kklimonda_: Just let me know when you have stuff to review.
[23:42] <xteejx> vpb-driver has been updated in unstable, but doesn't appear on MoM, how come?
[23:43] <Laney> it was only done today
[23:44] <xteejx> ohh right, does it take a few days to update, and would it normally show that?
[23:44] <DktrKranz> xteejx: it won't be on mirrors in lesser than an hour and a half, you have to wait until then
[23:45] <xteejx> thats no prob, but it will show up right?
[23:45] <Laney> yeah I usually give at least a day for Debian stuff to be visible to the Ubuntu tools
[23:45] <xteejx> oh ok, just wondered is all :) thank you
[23:45] <Laney> if it's urgent then you can grab it from incoming/ftp.d.o directly sooner
[23:45] <DktrKranz> (already there)
[23:45] <xteejx> I'll have a look tomorrow, time for bed methinks
[23:46] <xteejx> night all :)


[15:01] <teward> tsimonq2: it's good that ublockorigin is now blocking that, but that won't affect all ad blockers and such.
[15:02] <teward> tsimonq2: unrelated, you have messages in your PMs you ignored
[19:44] <NacreousDawn596> hello everyone
[19:44] <NacreousDawn596> I need help please
[19:44] <NacreousDawn596> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/0e620d76cc19df4508be490c95a13586/pasted.txt
[19:45] <NacreousDawn596> can anyone told me why I have this error when trying to install lubuntu?
[19:45] <NacreousDawn596> tell*
[19:45] <NacreousDawn596> _panic_
[19:45] <kc2bez> You should use our support channel.
[19:45] <kc2bez> !support
[19:45] <NacreousDawn596> ok


[14:52] <kendell> just got a new laptop, an asus vivo book 510. Ubuntu mate 22.04 installs just fine, so does the new lts, 24.04 but the new LTS appears with a broken desktop.
[14:53] <kendell> package manager removes parts of mate then errors out installing others. I'm guessing that's why the desktop breaks. I'm on 22.04 lts for now
[14:55] <tomreyn> 24.04 release date is april 25 - which build were you using?
[15:00] <kendell> last build I used was april 10th. It looks like we're using a new installer


[01:18] <cade> whatup
[01:20] <mup> PR snapd#13119 opened: tests: validate the snaps with homedirs work well after refresh snapd to stable <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13119>
[01:21] <cade> same
[01:21] <cade> is anyone here real
[02:36] <mup> PR snapd#13120 opened: interface: make theme access functions generic so can be reused for other interfaces <Needs Documentation -auto-> <Created by robert-ancell> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13120>
[06:31] <Syron> Is it really a good default for snap to keep multiple older versions of core, specifically for it to keep multiple older copies of uid 0 / suid binaries available for execution even after they have been patched?
[06:32] <Syron> I was just checking and cleaning some stuff and found it interesting that I had multiple copies of passwd and others
[06:32] <Syron> really it just needs the most current where a user can execute it
[08:27] <mup> PR snapd#13121 opened: overlord: allow the firmware-updater snap to install user daemons <Created by jhenstridge> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13121>
[11:18] <mup> PR snapd#13116 closed: apparmor: disable vendoring again <Created by mvo5> <Closed by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13116>
[12:12] <ogra> Syron, snaps have an automatic rollback feature on error, for that the last known good version needs to be kept (but it is disabled and unmunted, so nobody without root access would be able to access it ... beyond the fact that it is readonly)
[12:20] <mup> Issue snapcraft#4317 closed:  Integrate craft-cli's "streaming brief" mode into Snapcraft <Enhancement> <Created by tigarmo> <Closed by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/issues/4317>
[12:20] <mup> PR snapcraft#4331 closed: enable "streaming brief" CLI mode <Created by tigarmo> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4331>
[12:21] <ogra> Syron, also ... see topic, better post such questions in the forum, this channel is only very rarely monitored nowadays and mostly just a "bot log" for commits
[12:50] <mup> Issue snapcraft#4316 closed: Legacy (?) builds may result in inconsistent version being set <Bug> <Needs Information> <Created by cmatsuoka> <Closed by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/issues/4316>
[13:34] <mup> PR snapd#13122 opened: aspects: add query API to aspectstate with filters  <aspects> <Created by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13122>
[13:49] <mup> PR snapd#13123 opened: gadget,osutil: add support for fat16 partitions <Run nested> <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13123>
[15:50] <mup> PR snapd#13118 closed: i/apparmor: support for home.d tunables from /etc/ <⚠ Critical> <Squash-merge> <cherry-picked> <Created by Meulengracht> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13118>
[16:05] <mup> Issue snapcraft#4314 closed: Raise error when using `BUILD_FOR` envvars on multi-arch and unknown builds <Enhancement> <Created by mr-cal> <Closed by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/issues/4314>
[16:05] <mup> PR snapcraft#4332 closed: environment: error when build-for arch variable cannot be evaluated <Created by mr-cal> <Merged by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4332>
[16:35] <mup> PR snapd#13107 closed: i/b/shared-memory: handle "private" plug attribute in shared-memory interface correctly <Squash-merge> <Created by MiguelPires> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13107>
[16:40] <mup> PR snapd#13124 opened: release: 2.60.3 <Squash-merge> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13124>
[17:05] <mup> PR snapd#13124 closed: release: 2.60.3 <Squash-merge> <Skip spread> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13124>
[17:51] <mup> PR snapd#13125 opened: release: 2.60.3 (#13124) <Skip spread> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13125>
[18:31] <mup> PR snapcraft#4334 opened: requirements: update craft-parts to 1.24.1 <Created by cmatsuoka> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4334>
[18:51] <mup> PR snapcraft#4335 opened: build(deps-dev): bump pyramid from 2.0.1 to 2.0.2 <Dependencies> <Python> <Created by dependabot[bot]> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4335>


[00:39] <DanaG> Argh, unity is completely broken for me.  As soon as I try to click anything, it hangs.... and then if I vt-switch away and back, the whole screen is blank white!
[00:39] <Volkodav> what do they plan for final kernel on the 16th ?
[00:42] <DanaG> UnknownMethodException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Unknown method: GetGroupProperties is not a valid method of interface org.ayatana.dbusmenu
[00:46] <DanaG> ERROR:dbus.connection:Unable to set arguments () according to signature u'vvvvv': <type 'exceptions.TypeError'>: More items found in D-Bus signature than in Python arguments
[00:46] <DanaG> That's me trying to d-feet (dbus debugger) dbusmenu.
[00:47] <DanaG> So not only does dbusmenu not work, it won't let you debug it to find out if that GetGroupProperties is really missing.
[01:00] <h00k> So, I keep having telepathy-butterfly crash on me, Empathy keeps respawning it, what's a good way to get a gdb backtrace on this?
[01:01] <h00k> Oh, hey, "Already running programs"
[01:01] <h00k> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Backtrace
[01:05] <h00k> Yeah, not sure that's going to work
[02:16] <brobinson_> does anyone know how to display japanese charaters in browsers on meerkat
[02:16] <brobinson_> ?
[03:19] <avi_> Is that PolicyKit bug fixed in the Beta?
[03:34] <switz_> Does anyone know whether the nvidia drover issue has been fixed in 10.10 yet?
[03:38] <bjsnider> it will not be fixed until the new 256.53 driver is uploaded tot he archive. that will happen soon probably
[03:55] <johnjohn101> when will nvidia be supported in 10.10?  I can't seem to get any driver to work
[03:55] <bjsnider> it will not be fixed until the new 256.53 driver is uploaded to the archive. that will happen soon probably
[03:56] <johnjohn101> within the next week or so?
[03:57] <johnjohn101> it's ok, i just miss my wobbly windows
[04:00] <bjsnider> within the next week certainly
[04:00] <johnjohn101> thanks...  I'm enjoying 10.10,  some crashes but otherwise ok
[04:04] <johnjohn101> so if I've downloaded all of Monday's updates am I close to the beta or will I have to wait until next week ( via upgrade)
[04:08] <avi_> Any reason I can't use Maverick Beta (when it's out) as my main OS? Any glaring issues with it?
[04:08] <bjsnider> the software is updated constantly. you will always have the latest packages if you do updates every few hours
[04:14] <johnjohn101> avi_: I'm not supporting ubuntu,  but if it's your personal and you're just messing around I'd say it's ok,  I wouldn't do it for any production or have to have machines
[04:15] <avi_> johnjohn101, Yeah, it's my personal machine. I'll probably wait for the RC/GM though.. It's not really worth the risk/hassle I don't think..
[04:16] <johnjohn101> i just upgraded my personal machine to 10.10.   it doesn't have nvidia, I had some problems with some apps crashing
[04:17] <johnjohn101> I love doing the upgrades throughout the development process.  beta  is much much more stable than alpha 3
[04:37] <johnjohn101> I was able to compile the lastest nvidia driver and it works with 10.10
[04:54] <edgy> Hi, I changed the resolution but every time I reboot my screen goes back to a default settings. why?
[05:04] <johnjohn101> edgy: what vid card are you using?
[05:04] <edgy> johnjohn101: ATI 5850
[05:06] <johnjohn101> do this  System -> Preferences -> Monitors  but say no to vendors tool
[05:06] <johnjohn101> and chose from there
[05:09] <edgy> johnjohn101: I am using kubuntu
[05:10] <edgy> johnjohn101: what's the command the launch the gnome version?
[05:11] <johnjohn101> gnome-display-properties
[05:23] <voss749> So whats been the experience so far with 10.10
[05:26] <S4ry> voss749, so far so good for me
[05:27] <S4ry> 10.10 is , lighter , fast  , stable ...
[05:31] <edgy> do fglrx works or not yet?
[05:42] <S4ry> edgy, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1520442
[05:42] <edgy> any one know how I label btrfs disk?
[05:43] <S4ry>  -L, --label name
[05:43] <S4ry>  , Specify a label for the filesystem.
[05:44] <S4ry> http://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org
[05:45] <edgy> S4ry: the problem is it's already created, I want to change it without removing data
[05:48] <edgy> S4ry: what comman you want me to pass -L to?
[05:48] <avi_> edgy, Can't gparted do that?
[05:48] <avi_> edgy, And that would be the mkfs command he's talking about,
[05:49] <edgy> avi_: no, gparted doesn't support btrfs, when the option is disabled
[05:49] <edgy> avi_: and mkfs would remove the data so what are my options?
[05:50] <avi_> edgy, Ah right. That's a toughie.. I'm not really sure about btrfs support.. It's not to be compatible fully with Ubuntu till Natty.. Might I ask what you've got a btrfs partition for?
[05:51] <avi_> because if it's mission-critical, you could always dd the partition and then mkfs and dd it back.
[05:51] <edgy> avi_: I just created my /home /backup partions in btrfs
[05:52] <avi_> hmm. So would it be possible to dd them?
[05:52] <avi_> Like I said, btrfs isn't supported in Maverick so it's probably best to stay away from btrfs entirely.
[05:52] <edgy> avi_: the problem is my /home and the backup partition is around 500G and I have no other drive to back it up
[05:52] <avi_> edgy, Yes that would be a problem :/
[05:53] <edgy> avi_: i heard its stable enough and would like to try it ;)
[05:53] <avi_> edgy, Well I honestly don't know how to go about helping you if that's the case.
[05:53] <avi_> edgy, Sorry :(
[05:53] <avi_> edgy, And yeah, it IS stable, but it's not *supported* yet.
[05:54] <avi_> edgy, Meaning most disk utilities won't support it, and iirc, you can't even grub directly to it..
[05:54] <edgy> avi_: np dear, I thought changing the label is very easy and google should return back a result easily but alas
[05:54] <avi_> edgy, You've gotta make some ext4 thing as a cover.
[05:54] <avi_> edgy, Yeah sure. Well I've gotta run. Good luck! :)
[05:54] <edgy> avi_: bye
[06:34] <DanaG> I've been using btrfs, and it's given me some kernel oopses sometimes.
[06:34] <DanaG> And even hard-locks on my btrfs usb stick, any time I tried a second time to mount (after an oops).
[06:37] <S4ry> DanaG, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/btrfs
[06:38] <DanaG> I do already have a backup system in place.
[06:39] <DanaG> So if Maverick btrfs dies, I boot Lucid from my HDD and restore SSD partition from backup.  Probably in ext4.
[06:42] <S4ry> DanaG, Okay.
[08:34] <Gumby> hi all.  Im looking to get vdpau working.  Is it just the restricted driver I need to enable or do I also need to install a vdpau specific driver?
[08:36] <S4ry> Mmm ,
[08:36] <S4ry> does it depends on witch software you will use for that
[08:37] <S4ry> You may also want to active your driver through ubuntu's restricted drivers
[08:38] <S4ry> I think mplayer may work
[08:38] <S4ry> And smplayer
[08:39] <Gumby> the restricted driver is enabled.
[08:40] <Gumby> I am trying to run mythfrontend
[08:40] <Gumby> and the error is "Failed to open VDPAU backend libvdpau_nvidia.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
[08:42] <S4ry> the Drive is nvidia !
[08:45] <S4ry> it sounds like there's either a driver installation problem, libvdpau installation problem
[08:45] <S4ry> , or a packaging error
[08:45] <Gumby> I think I may have found the problem
[08:46] <Gumby> I chose an older nvidia driver from the restricted modules list
[08:46] <Gumby> will install and re-test
[08:46] <S4ry> Aha ,
[08:46] <S4ry> Okay.
[08:47] <S4ry> We must always active the 'Recommended Drive model'
[08:48] <S4ry> Should reboot too ..
[08:48] <Gumby> yes.  I got a bit confused there when setting up.
[08:48] <Gumby> normally I would
[08:48] <Gumby> not sure what I was thinking
[08:48] <S4ry> Ah , yeah
[08:48] <Gumby> or if I even was
[08:49] <S4ry> :) easy on yourself .. we all do miss up things
[08:49] <S4ry> Put your mind on free :D
[08:53] <Gumby> yep, that was the problem
[08:55] <S4ry> Yeah , it's always forgetting the simple things .. that whould take it to an issue or something
[11:16] <zetheroo1> is 10.10 going to have Gnome 3?
[11:17] <Sary> zetheroo1, not quite sure .. maybe in natty
[11:18] <Sary> Well , it looks like it wont
[11:18] <zetheroo1> yeah ... just got this link from someone
[11:18] <zetheroo1> http://techie-buzz.com/foss/ubuntu-10-10-will-not-have-gnome-shell.html
[11:19] <zetheroo1> that is great news
[11:37] <om26er> "Firefox will not make 10.10" what does that mean?
[11:38] <nigelb> om26er: meaning 4.0 will not make it
[11:39] <nigelb> maybe it needs updating
[11:40] <nigelb> jussi: can you add to the topic that "Firefox 4.0 will not make 10.10" instead of whats there?
[11:40] <jussi> lol
[11:40] <Sary> Whats up with that FF 4 hype :)
[11:41]  * nigelb hugs jussi :)
[11:41] <nigelb> jussi: thank you
[11:42] <jpds> jussi: I had no idea Firefox made releases happen.
[11:42] <nigelb> lol
[11:58] <sab0> i am almost new user in ubuntu linux,can any one please tell me how to setup skype from CLI
[11:58] <om26er> sab0, download skype from skype.com
[11:58] <sab0> om26er, then?
[11:59] <om26er> sab0, double click and it will be installed.
[11:59] <om26er> sab0, are you using 32-bit or 64-bit Ubuntu?
[12:00] <sab0> om26er, i mo not sure
[12:00] <sab0> om26er, can you please tell me how could i check my ubuntu version on my machine?
[12:00] <om26er> sab0, http://www.skype.com/intl/en-us/get-skype/on-your-computer/linux/
[12:02] <sab0> ok
[12:03] <sab0> i was also trying to apt-get update from cli but to download only 327.2MB it showing it will take 16 hours+,my internet connection is quite good then why its taking to much time?
[12:07] <om26er> sab0, skype installed?
[12:07] <sab0> om26er, not yet
[12:07] <sab0> om26er, please tell me after download how can i install it from cli
[12:08] <om26er> sab0, you dont need to install it from terminal. if you just double click it will open with the installer
[12:08] <om26er> sab0, if you are using Ubuntu 10.04 you can install skype from Softwar-Center
[12:09] <sab0> om26er, ok.I was just trying to lear
[12:09] <sab0> om26er, ok.I was just trying to learn...:)
[12:10] <S4ry> Cool
[12:11] <S4ry> You can also install it with a command line , sudo apt-get install skype
[12:11] <om26er> sab0, the place where you download skype. cd there from terminal and type sudo dpkg- i sky<tab>
[12:11] <sab0> om26er, ok
[12:11] <om26er> S4ry, in Lucid only :) its not in partners of Maverick yet I think
[12:12] <S4ry> Well , lemme check
[12:13] <S4ry> Wow
[12:13]  * om26er wishes for skype to support indicator-applet
[12:13] <Hew> anyone using UNE maverick know how to open file browser?
[12:13] <S4ry> E: Package 'skype' has no installation candidate
[12:13] <om26er> Hew, hm. open terminal and type nautilus and add it to the unity launcher
[12:14] <Hew> om26er, yea that's what I've been doing for every alpha/beta so far :S, I hope there's a high importance bug about this
[12:14] <nigelb> S4ry: enable parter repository from Software Sources
[12:15] <om26er> Hew, Ya dash only supports access to files. other files operations are a little difficult
[12:16] <S4ry> it's enable .. you mean the partner or the partner(Source Code ) ..
[12:16] <S4ry> enabled*
[12:17] <om26er> skype is not in Maverick Partners Yet: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/skype
[12:17] <Hew> well it displays a pretty layout of my empty home folder, but when the first thing I need to navigate to is /var/crash it's a real pain (especially when crashes are occurring while I'm trying to get there)
[12:18] <Hew> root (or "My Computer") should be an option under "Files and Folders"
[12:19] <S4ry> Guys , on Software sources .. does the murriane-daily/ppa partner(Source Code ) should be check!
[12:19] <S4ry> checked*
[12:20] <S4ry> i got this from the terminal output .. N: Ignoring file 'murrine-daily-ppa-maverick.list.save' in directory '/etc/apt/sources.list.d/' as it has an invalid filename extension
[12:48] <Hew> om26er, do you know which package a bug should be filed against about this?
[12:51] <Hew> or anyone
[12:52] <nigelb> Hew: Places -> Computer?
[12:52] <nigelb> what more are you looking for?
[12:52] <nigelb> The bookmarks also should have a File System entry
[12:52] <Hew> nigelb, netbook edition
[12:53] <nigelb> Ah, sorry
[12:53] <Hew> np
[12:54] <yofel> S4ry: see bug 611925 for the .save files
[12:56] <S4ry> yofel, :) alright
[13:14] <JohnFlux> Hi all
[13:14] <JohnFlux> the ibus packages in 10.04  cause plasma-desktop to leak memory at a rate of about 250KB a minute.
[13:15] <JohnFlux> The ibus developers have fixed it, but ubuntu ships with the old packages
[13:17] <patdk-wk> hmm, I hadn't noticed that, and I do lots of ibus stuff
[13:17] <patdk-wk> but then I don't use plasma-desktop
[13:17] <patdk-wk> but this is the 10.10 channel anyways, and could care less about 10.04 :)
[13:18] <JohnFlux> patdk-wk: where do I talk to 10.04 developers?
[13:18] <patdk-wk> make a backport ticket on launchpad
[14:41] <JoshuaL> gwibber working for anyone else with twitter? :)
[14:44] <charlie-tca> JoshuaL: see this - http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/2116
[14:44] <JoshuaL> ty
[15:33] <Volkodav> hmm is google docs down or is it me ? can't upload anything for 2 days now
[17:34] <Volkodav> I have troubles with third-party repos lately - none of them seem to fetch and even when they work always get the message about in directory '/etc/apt/sources.list.d/' as it has an invalid filename extension
[17:34] <Volkodav> what's up with that ?
[17:35] <gnomefreak> Volkodav: we do not support 3rd party repos please see the authors of those repos
[17:36] <Volkodav> I mean they are all ppa repos
[17:36] <yofel> Volkodav: the messages are just apt being too verbose since recently
[17:36] <yofel> those file are created when the ppas are disabled on upgrade
[17:36] <Volkodav> ok I can ignore messages that';s fine
[17:37] <Volkodav> like .new or .old those I can remove/ignore
[17:38] <yofel> I'll look at it again, there's a setting to turn them off, but most users don't use the command line so it shouldn't be much of an issue
[17:38] <yofel> (there is about about them)
[17:38] <yofel> *is a bug
[17:39] <Volkodav> ppa's are disabled on each upgrade ?
[17:40] <gnomefreak> Volkodav: yes they are not official repos and can break things
[17:41] <gnomefreak> wouldnt the setting be in software sources menu
[17:51] <jpds> Volkodav: They should all end in .list I believe.
[17:51] <Volkodav> yes
[17:52] <yofel> jpds: yes, but disabled ppas have an empty .list file and the old .list file is saved as .list.save
[17:52] <yofel> (iirc)
[17:52]  * gnomefreak went through */sources.list and remove all # disabled.... update and everything works fine. mind you i have over 10 PPAs
[17:54] <yofel> right, but we're talking about files in sources.list.d
[17:55] <yofel> apt didn't complain before, but the new up is being uneccessary verbose :/
[17:55] <gnomefreak> i guess its a good thing i dont have any in there
[17:55] <gnomefreak> this was just upgraded on monday
[17:56] <gnomefreak> that would make 6 upgrades and 4 fresh installs and havent seen that issue ever
[17:58] <yofel> well of course, as that's new in apt 0.8
[17:58] <yofel> (or do you mean 6 upgrades to mav?)
[17:59]  * yofel handles all sources in sources.list too so I only saw that warning when I tried to reproduce an update-manager bug once ^^
[18:00] <kklimonda> disabling ppas on upgrade isn't really good enough - do we also downgrade all package to official versions before upgrading?
[18:01] <gnomefreak> kklimonda: no
[18:02] <gnomefreak> going from Lucid to Maverick it should only need to run up not down
[18:02] <kklimonda> I'd actually add something like /var/lib/warranty and first time user adds some PPA or 3rd party repository I'd delete this file ;)
[18:02] <kklimonda> and then I'd make it impossible to report bugs without this file or asking for help.. mmm.. a perfect world..
[18:03] <gnomefreak> problem alot of people have is they think PPAs are stable because they are from Ubuntu communilties and they are not stabole
[18:03] <yofel> haha, we already make sure apport doesn't report ppa bugs (can be overriden somehow I think though)
[18:04] <yofel> and now that ppa-purge is in the archive maybe we should work on embedding that into update-manager for natty
[18:05] <kklimonda> (removed CoC-violating comment about people as general)
[18:05] <gnomefreak> yofel: that was thought to be enabled at one point but hell you can file bugs on PPAs i just dont remember the link at least for mozilla team and apport should run *-collect and add the info. well did for gwibber and such
[18:05] <kklimonda> gnomefreak: heh, that's probably one of the problems - the other being that people want to run the latest and greatest
[18:06] <gnomefreak> kklimonda: yep and if you ant fix it or dont understand it DONT USE IT
[18:06] <gnomefreak> :) not you but people in general
[18:06] <yofel> gnomefreak: actually there are projects for mozilla or kde ppa's that are used for bug tracking, and iirc apport can be told to use those instead of ubuntu
[18:06] <kklimonda> the problem with PPAs is that there are PPAs created by Ubuntu developers and PPAs created by random people. Some of them may even be authors of software that is in PPA but they have no idea about packaging.
[18:07] <kklimonda> I still think we should have something like "Trusted PPA"
[18:08] <gnomefreak> if you cant fix it dont use it. If you dont understand it than dont use it. dont ev ery use it during devel cycle if the above apply
[18:08] <yofel> kklimonda: you might want to read the discussion about rejecting ubuntu-tweak in universe on the motu ML, they discussed preferring one ppa over others there too
[18:08] <gnomefreak> i trust my packaging. but like mozilla team daily PPa it is built by bots not people
[18:09] <kklimonda> gnomefreak: but some ppas like ~x-swat/x-updates or ~ubuntu-audio-dev/ppa are crucial for some users and the former is actually the only way of getting updated drivers on stable releases
[18:09] <gnomefreak> i have 5 or 6 PPAs that are not my personal that i can upload to :)
[18:09] <kklimonda> yofel: I did
[18:09] <gnomefreak> kklimonda: they can download the .debs ;)
[18:10] <gnomefreak> but can still break no matter how stable. you forget 1 depends and you can be in trouble
[18:10] <kklimonda> gnomefreak: but they are being tested by the same people that are responsible for X stack in ubuntu itself :)
[18:11]  * gnomefreak wonders if the sound one will fix my sound issue
[18:11] <gnomefreak> right
[18:11] <kklimonda> gnomefreak: or (in case of ~ubuntu-audio-dev) by people responsible for sound stack
[18:12] <yofel> IMHO ppa's aren't better or worse than -backports. As the only requisite for that is that it builds on the release it should be backported to
[18:12] <kklimonda> gnomefreak: and there are good reasons to use both of them - that's the second thing I recommend when people have problem with sound (first being installing linux-backports-modules-<release>-<kernel>_
[18:12] <kklimonda> yofel: -backports are done by MOTU, are limited only to "leaf packages" and are being tested for upgrades
[18:12] <yofel> ah
[18:13] <kklimonda> yofel: you can add some PPA with "elemental nautilus" and get a gazilion of libraries that either conflict now or later.
[18:13] <gnomefreak> if i dont know the people that upload to the PPAs and the userts wanting them it is unlikely that i will suggest them. the minute you get someone without a clue than you get blamed for giving it to them
[18:13] <yofel> right :/
[18:14] <gnomefreak> brb smoke than figure out googleearth-package.
[18:14]  * gnomefreak looking to not spend all day on packagin it if i can avoid it
[18:19] <gnomefreak> might be easier to grab for mediubuntu and customize it and add a PPA for it
[18:19] <gnomefreak> that is tomorrow during coffee i think
[19:32] <vish> hehe , i wonder why i read kklimonda mail to BC as "they just want to get their itch fixed"  ;p
[19:38] <tembrae> hello, can anyone help me with compiling screem? i get an error exit code saying GLIB version is incorrect but it says GLIB is wrong version. also its not in the repo, would the karmic one work? how would i add karmic repo?
[19:39] <tembrae> *it says GLIB package not found :)
[19:45] <antonpiatek> Anyone know how to install a maverick vserver on a debian box? upstart is causing it to fail
[20:23] <kklimonda> hmm.. ctrl+l to reply to list in Evo just broke o.O
[20:24] <kklimonda> hmm.. maybe because Evo doesn't recognize the message as originating from ML..
[21:00] <Sary> 'Sup Maverick
[22:03] <BUGabundo> bRoas
[22:06]  * guntbert tries to decipher that code ... in vain :)
[22:35] <bcurtiswx_> i have an issue with my comp that maybe people in here would be able to help with
[22:36] <guntbert> !ask
[22:36] <bcurtiswx_> im trying to install maverick alpha through CD rom.. i've verified the CD has burnt correctly (not a CD problem), but when attempting to load ubuntu, it gets to plymouth and the dots start going across when all the sudden my cd stops spinning and the dots stop moving
[22:37] <bcurtiswx_> guntbert, i was getting there, lots to type ;)
[22:37] <yofel> that sounds like X failing to start, or maybe it starts on vt8 but doesn't switch you there
[22:38] <bcurtiswx_> yofel, it freezes the entire computer, have to hard reboot
[22:38] <yofel> sysrq+k doesn't work?
[22:38] <bcurtiswx_> yofel, whats sysrq?
[22:39] <yofel> !sysrq
[22:39] <bcurtiswx_> i can try that, but any tips on debugging?
[22:39] <BUGabundo> wiki ?
[22:39] <BUGabundo> !xdebug
[22:39] <BUGabundo> !debugx
[22:39]  * bcurtiswx_ slaps BUGabundo with a large skyscarper
[22:39] <yofel> well, you could replace quiet splash in grub with --verbose, witch should make upstart show what it's doing when the system freezes
[22:39] <bcurtiswx_> skyscraper
[22:40] <bcurtiswx_> how do I access this from a live CD?
[22:40] <Daekdroom> I wish there was a Dichotomy variation of maverick's ambience..
[22:41] <yofel> good question, press left shift maybe? but I seriously don't know. anyone?
[22:41] <voidmage> will the oauthpocalypse fix for gwibber make it in 10.10?
[22:41] <bcurtiswx_> voidmage, yes, after beta tomorrow
[22:42] <voidmage> what about nvidia drivers 256.52 or 256.53?
[22:43] <bcurtiswx_> voidmage, that i do not know
[22:44] <yofel> 256.52 is available in the x-updates ppa and should be uploaded to the archive sometime after beta
[22:47] <bcurtiswx_> so nobody knows how to access grub menu from a live cd.. i'll have to give the shift key a try.. thx yofel
[22:48] <yofel> I haven't tried the *ubuntu* live disk since they changed the boot so I don't know sry
[22:48] <BUGabundo> no
[22:49] <BUGabundo> there's no grub in the live cd
[22:49] <BUGabundo> its just ubiquity
[22:49] <BUGabundo> grub is only on installed disked
[22:49] <bcurtiswx_> BUGabundo, so how would I disagnose my boot issues?
[22:49] <bcurtiswx_> from the liveCD
[22:50] <BUGabundo> hum?
[22:50] <BUGabundo> what !?
[22:50] <BUGabundo> from the live cds?
[22:50] <yofel> BUGabundo: how do you edit the kernel command line on the live dis
[22:50] <yofel> *disk
[22:50] <bcurtiswx_> yeah, look above for whats happening to me
[22:51] <yofel> exp. since the syslinux menu is hidden by default today
[22:51] <yofel> *esp.
[22:51]  * yofel is getting tired...
[22:51] <BUGabundo> yofel: F6
[22:51] <BUGabundo> advanced sub menu
[22:51] <BUGabundo> press ESC then, and edit at will
[22:51] <bcurtiswx_> so what would I edit?
[22:52]  * bcurtiswx_ is doing a network upgrade so has to wait about 40 more minutes to try
[22:52] <BUGabundo> no idei
[22:52] <BUGabundo> vesa?
[22:53] <bcurtiswx_> yofel, what TZ are you?
[22:53] <yofel> Europe/Berlin
[22:53] <yofel> meaning 12:53PM here ;)
[22:53] <bcurtiswx_> Ah, Germany
[22:53] <bcurtiswx_> you mean AM?
[22:54] <yofel> me being tired again... 11:53PM
[22:54] <bcurtiswx_> lol
[22:54] <bcurtiswx_> dinner time here in the states
[22:54] <yofel> (23:54)
[22:54] <bcurtiswx_> 17:54
[22:54] <bcurtiswx_> +02:00GMT ?
[22:54] <BUGabundo> 22:54
[22:55] <BUGabundo> gmt+1 here
[22:56] <yofel> right
[23:08] <charlie-tca> bcurtiswx_: will it boot to the live cd desktop
[23:08] <bcurtiswx_> charlie-tca, nope, this is all before
[23:09] <charlie-tca> hmm, much harder than. the beta is being tested for release tomorrow, it works better than the alpha did
[23:10] <charlie-tca> I think you can hit the shift key during the seconds the two symbols are at the bottom to access the menu
[23:11] <bcurtiswx_> OK, once my network upgrade is done i'll test that
[23:11] <bcurtiswx_> about 15-20 minutes left
[23:23] <brot> i am trying to bisect a bug in the kernel, and need to compile my own kernel packages to do so. running "make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=bisect1 kernel-image kernel-headers" for the vanilla kernel sources fails with: http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/398861/ . can someone tell me what i am doing wrong?
[23:25] <kklimonda> brot: you will have more luck if you ask in #ubuntu-kernel and use LC_ALL=C make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=bisect1 kernel-image kernel-headers so it's in English
[23:26] <brot> thanks for the informations kklimonda, i will try that.
[23:33] <bcurtiswx_> charlie-tca, OK, im in the menu after hitting shift.. where would I go here to try a verbose boot?
[23:35] <bcurtiswx_> found it
[23:37] <charlie-tca> hit F6, delete quiet splash from the end of the line that appears
[23:37] <bcurtiswx_> stdin: error 0
[23:39] <charlie-tca> and, if it fails, the /var/log/syslog should contain the errors
[23:40] <bcurtiswx_> charlie-tca, well it freezes.  so I can't go grab that
[23:41] <bcurtiswx_> im trying a pastebin.. and its not working.. LOL
[23:41] <Some_Person> How (un)stable is maverick at this stage?
[23:41] <bcurtiswx_> charlie-tca, http://paste.ubuntu.com/486991/
[23:42] <bcurtiswx_> i typed all that out... its frozen on my screen.. lol
[23:43] <bcurtiswx_> sysrq doesn't allow me to access the system
[23:44] <kklimonda> Some_Person: pretty stable but YMMV
[23:45] <Some_Person> Are intel graphics working for the new X server?
[23:45] <yofel> here yes, but I get some rendering issues with my 945GME and kwin compositing enabled
[23:46] <bcurtiswx_> hmm, it's trying to load btrfs, should i?
[23:48] <bcurtiswx_> should it*
[23:55] <bcurtiswx_> anyone know the differences between the netbook iso vs the desktop iso... because the netbook one is working fine so far
[23:59] <bcurtiswx_> is there a way I can start a wireless network up through command line?


[18:23] <zi8i> hi all
[18:24] <zi8i> I wanted to help with the documentation of an open source project, and got to the ubuntu site
[18:25] <zi8i> do you recommend just going through the current documentation and proof-reading, eventually adding some comments, or is there anything in particular I should focus on?