[06:16] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:40] <xylo> Morning
[12:26] <Aphrek> hey all - can anyone point me in the right direction of setting up bridging to a local network. I have the bridge setup but I cannot ping anything from the guest except the host IP.
[12:27] <Aphrek> basically following - I used the tutorial at - https://fabianlee.org/2019/04/01/kvm-creating-a-bridged-network-with-netplan-on-ubuntu-bionic/
[12:27] <Aphrek> only thing I changed was the interface name..
[12:28] <Aphrek> I suspect theres some routing I'm missing - but I'm completely new to this (kvm)
[12:48] <lordievader> Aphrek: Could you give some more details of your network setup?
[12:48] <lordievader> `ip addr show` and `brctl show` for example
[12:51] <Aphrek> just sorting now - any preference on sharing results? Is pastebin still a thing?
[12:52] <sdeziel> Aphrek: I don't know if libvirt does this by default but I'd check if `sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward` gives you 1
[12:52] <Aphrek> sdeziel: yep - gives me 1
[12:53] <sdeziel> Aphrek: good, maybe a firewall/NAT issue then?
[12:53] <Aphrek> everything works fine btw straight after the initial install when the connection uses NAT
[12:53] <Aphrek> sdeziel: yep, thats where I'm a bit stuck
[12:53] <lordievader> Aphrek: Yes, pastebin please.
[12:53] <lordievader> !paste
[12:56] <Aphrek> is there an alternative to paste.ubuntu.com
[12:57] <Aphrek> just tried to sign up & I'm getting an invalid auth email when trying to confirm the account
[12:57] <sdeziel> https://www.termbin.com/ works well
[12:59] <Aphrek> thakns
[12:59] <Aphrek> thanks
[13:00] <Aphrek> from the host ip addr show gives:
[13:00] <Aphrek> https://termbin.com/2ds5
[13:01] <Aphrek> brctl show gives:
[13:01] <Aphrek> https://termbin.com/a46x1
[13:14] <lordievader> Aphrek: Can you reach your gateway from br0?
[13:14] <Aphrek> lordievader: do you mean from the host or guest?
[13:16] <lordievader> From the host (the machine from which you gave the output of `ip a s`)
[13:17] <Aphrek> I see - sorry, yes I can
[13:18] <lordievader> And can you reach the vms from the host?
[13:20] <Aphrek> yes, I can ping it
[13:21] <Aphrek> and the reverse it true - I can ping the host from the vms
[13:21] <Aphrek> *is
[13:22] <lordievader> Just pinging things from vms to outside doesn't work?
[13:23] <Aphrek> thats right - I've tried setting a static IP / gateway as well as DHCP - nothing works.
[13:23] <Aphrek> everything works fine post standard install when NAT is setup - but not when I introduce the bridge
[13:25] <lordievader> Do you require a nat?
[13:26] <Aphrek> I could use it either way I suppose. I was just hoping to have the vms exposed to the network in the same way as a physical machine
[13:27] <lordievader> What I mean is, should the hypervisor do the NATting or do you have a router somewhere performing NAT (judging from the IP address I'd say the latter).
[13:27] <Aphrek> oh I see
[13:28] <Aphrek> it was the hypervisor doing the natting
[13:31] <lordievader> Aphrek: Alright, could you share your `sudo iptables-save` output?
[13:32] <Aphrek> lordievader: https://termbin.com/cn6t
[13:35] <lordievader> Aphrek: You don't have any NAT rules related to your normal connection. Are you sure that the hypervisor should do the NATting?
[13:36] <lordievader> Erm, do vms get addresses in the 122.0/24 or in the 0.0/24 subnet?
[13:36] <Aphrek> sorry - I'm not entirely sure what you mean - I have a bog standard home network, the server is on the network & after the initial setup I was using a NATed connection but after the bridge I assumed I was no longer natting?
[13:38] <lordievader> The translation of a network onto an address happens somewhere. For normal home networks the translation from a <IP_ADDRESS> network happens at the router to the ISP assigned address.
[13:39] <lordievader> I expect that this was your situation. But you said that the hypervisor was doing the natting.
[13:39] <Aphrek> right - I'm getting confsed then with the NAT conneciton you can use for a VM on KVM
[13:39] <Aphrek> apologies, I'm feeling somewhat out of my depth.
[13:41] <lordievader> In the simplest case your hypervisor doesn't do any natting. That way the vm's are just other clients on the network, connected to a virtual switch (the bridge interface).
[13:41] <Aphrek> right - got you.
[13:41] <Aphrek> thanks
[13:42] <lordievader> What IP address does your vm have?
[13:43] <Aphrek> <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:44] <Aphrek> thats a static config after the dhcp didnt work
[13:44] <lordievader> And can you ping the router/gateway from the vm?
[13:45] <Aphrek> no, that doesnt work
[13:46] <lordievader> Keep the ping running and on the hypervisor run `sudo tcpdump -i br0 icmp`, do you see icmp ping requests going through and replies coming back?
[13:46] <Aphrek> ok, 2 secs
[13:48] <Aphrek> no nothing on the host
[13:49] <Aphrek> the vm when pinging says: From <IP_ADDRESS> icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable
[13:49] <Aphrek> and so on
[13:49] <Aphrek> the ping was set to <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:49] <lordievader> From the vm what is the output of `ip r`?
[13:52] <Aphrek> https://imgur.com/a/1JlTOSt
[13:52] <Aphrek> excuse the picture
[13:54] <lordievader> Hrmm, that looks fine. On the hypervisor what is the output of `sysctl net.ipv4|grep ip_forward`?
[13:55] <Aphrek> https://termbin.com/g578
[13:59] <sdeziel> Aphrek: stupid question but are you sure the VM you are testing with is the one using `vnet0` ?
[13:59] <lordievader> Right, ofcourse I meant `sudo sysctl net.ipv4|grep forward`.
[14:00] <sdeziel> if br0 is meant as a pure bridge (no NAT), ip forwarding shouldn't matter
[14:01] <Aphrek> https://termbin.com/0y4i
[14:04] <Aphrek> sdeziel: in terms of the VM all I've done is change the network source to the bridge I created..
[14:05] <sdeziel> Aphrek: OK, just checking cause you have 2 virtual NICs it seems
[14:05] <Aphrek> https://imgur.com/a/7GAqlML
[14:07] <Aphrek> thanks sdeziel - everything is a fresh install inc the host/hypervisor
[14:07] <Aphrek> I then followed the tutorial mentioned..
[14:07] <Aphrek> sorry - I know I'm not being incredibly helpful
[14:07] <Aphrek> I do appreciate you both helping out though
[14:08] <lordievader> You did fully poweroff the vm and start it again after the change of network source?
[14:08] <Aphrek> I'm sure I did - but I'll try again
[14:08] <sdeziel> Aphrek: to keep things simple, how about you turn off the other VM?
[14:09] <sdeziel> then we'd be sure the vnetX we see is the one from the VM you are debugging
[14:09] <Aphrek> good idea
[14:09] <Aphrek> I'll shut both down now and start up the one we've been looking at
[14:09] <sdeziel> sounds good
[14:10] <sdeziel> Aphrek: then please paste `ip addr show` again
[14:10] <Aphrek> will do
[14:11] <Aphrek> just booting up the vm
[14:11] <Aphrek> ip addr show on the host?
[14:12] <lordievader> yes
[14:12] <Aphrek> https://termbin.com/xqk5
[14:13] <sdeziel> Aphrek: try that ^ tcpdump again while pinging from the VM to anywhere
[14:13] <Aphrek> right
[14:14] <Aphrek> same as before
[14:14] <Aphrek> no output
[14:14] <sdeziel> Aphrek: `sudo tcpdump -ni br0 arp` ?
[14:16] <Aphrek> still pinging on the vm?
[14:18] <sdeziel> Aphrek: yes
[14:18] <Aphrek> ok - theres quite a bit of output - how long shall i run it for?
[14:18] <Aphrek> does it matter?
[14:20] <sdeziel> are you seeing traffic from the VM's MAC?
[14:21] <Aphrek> theres no mac but the only thing VM related is the ip in:
[14:21] <Aphrek> 14:17:55.061869 ARP, Request who-has <IP_ADDRESS> tell <IP_ADDRESS>, length 28
[14:21] <sdeziel> Aphrek: in fact, can you now ping the <IP_ADDRESS> from the VM
[14:21] <sdeziel> Aphrek: OK good, those ARP requests are from your VM trying to get to the gateway (assuming .1 is its IP)
[14:22] <Aphrek> yes
[14:22] <Aphrek> I can ping <IP_ADDRESS> from the vm - do you need the host running anything ?
[14:24] <sdeziel> Aphrek: I take it that the host uses <IP_ADDRESS> as gateway too and can ping it, right?
[14:24] <Aphrek> yes thats right
[14:25] <sdeziel> Aphrek: do you see something with `sudo tcpdump -ni ens160 | grep -F '<IP_ADDRESS>'`
[14:30] <Aphrek> https://imgur.com/a/zzev6YD
[14:36] <Aphrek> jeess - its working
[14:36] <sdeziel> hmm, so it looks like those packet make it out on your network
[14:36] <Aphrek> I restarted the host - as a last ditch thing
[14:36] <Aphrek> and it now works
[14:36] <Aphrek> crikey
[14:36] <sdeziel> oh how surprising
[14:36] <Aphrek> I know
[14:37] <Aphrek> wouldnt suprise me if it was my doing somehow - I dont see where though
[14:37] <Aphrek> thanks for taking the time on this - I really appreciate it and have learned quite a bit :)
[14:37] <Aphrek>  and lordievader of course
[14:38] <sdeziel> anyway, this br0 setup is cleaner as you don't have to deal with firewalling/NAT'ing on the host, you leave that out to your home router
[14:38] <lordievader> Good to hear it is solved 👍
[14:38] <Aphrek> thanks! first time to ubuntu-server & its been a pleasure :)
[14:38] <sdeziel> :)
[14:38] <Aphrek> have a good one guys, back to work :)
[15:48] <Muligan> has anybody here any experience w/gfs2 or ocfs2 by any chance?
[17:14] <kurts_allenai[m]> I'm trying to connect SSSD on our Ubuntu Server 20.04 instance to our AD server. I can authenticate via kinit before joining the realm and "adcli info" says that nothing is wrong. The issue I'm having is with pam_sss. It always gives the error "User not known to the underlying authentication module" when someone logs in. Even though the user is in AD. It's like pam isn't syncing with AD at all. Anyone have ideas on a fix?
[17:34] <Muligan> sarnold, thanks for the response last night, after looking at a few more things, I'm looking at ocfs2 deployment
[17:35] <Muligan> however, I'm waiting for this meeting here in 90min if I even need to take this route or not.
[17:36] <sarnold> Muligan: here's hoping something easier comes around :) ocfs2 had a lot of enthusiasm ~dozen years ago, maybe more, but I don't know if it's had much attention and care since then


[16:44] <jdstrand> hi!
[16:44] <tyhicks> hello!
[16:45] <tyhicks> #startmeeting
[16:45] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Apr  6 16:45:07 2015 UTC.  The chair is tyhicks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:45]  * sbeattie o/
[16:45] <tyhicks> The meeting agenda can be found at:
[16:45] <tyhicks> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[16:45] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Announcements
[16:46] <tyhicks> Thanks to Johan Van de Wauw (johanvdw) for security updates (14.04 through Vivid) for the community supported postgis (LP: #1438875) package last week. Your work is very much appreciated and will keep Ubuntu users secure. Great job! :)
[16:46] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[16:46] <tyhicks> jdstrand: you're up
[16:46] <jdstrand> like last week, this week is snappy focused
[16:47] <jdstrand> the security yaml bits landed last week for both apparmor and snappy and now I am writing review tools tests for that
[16:48] <jdstrand> the framework policy bits landed last week for apparmor and is in review now for snappy. I wrote the review tools tests for that last week
[16:48] <jdstrand> after I finish the security yaml review tools tests, I'm going to proceed to the hashes.yaml review tools tests
[16:49] <jdstrand> I started the seccomp policy bits last week and will pick that up this week
[16:49] <jdstrand> that's it from me
[16:49]  * sbeattie is up
[16:49] <sbeattie> I'm on community this week.
[16:50] <sbeattie> I have some more apparmor patches to review as well as trying to tie things up so we can do a trusty SRU with the python tools based on a 2.9.2 release
[16:50] <sbeattie> And gcc-pie testing is still on my plate.
[16:50] <tyhicks> perfect
[16:51] <sbeattie> that's the priorities for my week. tyhicks, you're up.
[16:51] <tyhicks> we need to get that trusty SRU out the door very soon
[16:51] <sbeattie> yeah
[16:51] <tyhicks> it is good to hear that we're getting close :)
[16:52] <tyhicks> I'm on bug triage this week
[16:52] <tyhicks> Vivid systemd/sbuild/schroot/kernel bugs (LP: #1427264) (LP: #1438942) (LP: #1439849)
[16:52] <tyhicks> Restart work on AppArmor kernel keyring mediation for user data encryption
[16:52] <tyhicks> Finish up the patches to fix bug #1430532 and send them out for review
[16:53] <tyhicks> and either sarnold or myself need to get to the python-cryptography MIR (LP: #1430082)
[16:53] <tyhicks> that's it for me
[16:53] <tyhicks> sarnold: you're up
[16:53] <sarnold> I'm on cve triage this week
[16:54] <sarnold> I finally feel like I'm getting the hang of the serverstack environment for openstack testing, too, which is nice; some things can be done via yaml and some things probably just need to be done via juju ssh --all
[16:55] <sarnold> of course I still don't know why installing some new python glance libraries prevents new glance image uploads; the changes involved are about validating certificates, so perhaps it's supposed to fail now..
[16:56] <sarnold> and since test runs there take either ten minutes or an hour and ten minutes, there'll be some time for small tasks, perhaps a MIR or apparmor patch review
[16:56] <sarnold> that's it for me, tyhicks?
[16:56] <tyhicks> sarnold: how about bumping the version of the current in-archive glance, without making any other changes, and seeing if glance image uploads work then?
[16:58] <tyhicks> we can continue the conversation offline
[16:58] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[16:59] <tyhicks> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[16:59] <tyhicks> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[16:59] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/lib3ds.html
[16:59] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/libextlib-ruby.html
[16:59] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/openarena.html
[16:59] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/xmonad-contrib.html
[16:59] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/lemonldap-ng.html
[16:59] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[16:59] <tyhicks> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[17:00] <tyhicks> jdstrand, sbeattie, sarnold: Thanks!
[17:00] <tyhicks> #endmeeting
[17:00] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Apr  6 17:00:35 2015 UTC.
[17:00] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-04-06-16.45.moin.txt
[17:00] <sbeattie> tyhicks: thanks!
[17:01] <sarnold> thanks tyhicks!
[17:02] <jdstrand> thanks tyhicks! :)


[06:27] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:43] <schnoodles> Hey everyone. I am currently running Kubuntu in VMWARE (have for ages) and all of a sudden the network has dropped and it seems I cant connect to NAT. Their wasnt even any connections in the settings. I just added a wired ethernet. I was wondering if anyone know why the network would have dropped and how I can get it back,.
[10:46] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 My laptop fan running constantly...How do i fix it? Help
 After installing Kubuntu..
[12:50] <lordievader> How is the cpu usage?
 29-40 percentage
[12:53] <lordievader> That is not very idle. Do you happen to have lm-sensors installed?
 How to check that?
[12:54] <lordievader> Open a terminal and run `sensors`.
 It's showing:- command sensors not found.
[12:55] <lordievader> Run `sudo apt install lm-sensors`.
 I did not opened a single application on my laptop but still my laptop fan running constantly..
[12:55] <lordievader> Then let it detect your sensors with `sudo sensors-detect` (selecting yes for most things)
 Ok
 I am installing lm-sensors
 While installation my cpu usage is 83-90 percentage
[12:58] <lordievader> That is to be expected, your cpu has to do work.
 Ok i have installed sensors
 What to check here?
[13:00] <lordievader> You also ran the sensors-detect command?
 Yes
[13:00] <lordievader> Could you pastebin the output of `sensors`?
[13:00] <lordievader> !paste
 Ok
 peace@peace-IT:~$ sensors
 coretemp-isa-0000
 Adapter: ISA adapter
 Package id 0:  +61.0°C  (high = +100.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
 Core 0:        +56.0°C  (high = +100.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
 Core 1:        +61.0°C  (high = +100.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
[13:02] <lordievader> Right, for next time please do use a pastebin service.
[13:03] <lordievader> For a laptop those numbers are not entirely strange. However, to say that it is very cool... no.
[13:04] <lordievader> You might want to check what is making the cpu usage ~20% when idle. It could be enough for the cpu to not clock down, leading to higher temps.
 Ok
 i'll check it.
 Thanks
 My laptop has hybrid GPU(Intel+Nvidia) so is that related to GPU.
 Specifically nvidia..
[13:09] <lordievader> That may play a role, if the nvidia card is not powered down when it is not in use it does consume power (and is therefore adding heat).
 When idle, CPU usage is 93%
 in between 34-93 %
 I have checked Processes as well, and only System Monitor  CPU usage is 1.3%
[13:15] <lordievader> That is not 'idle' 😋
[13:15] <lordievader> What is it doing? Which process is taking all that cpu?
[13:18] <BluesKaj> sounds like an Optimus gpu system, they can be iffy to set up
 don't Which process is taking all that CPU usage but when i checked it on system monitor processes (plasma-systemmonitor : 2.0%, telegram-desktop :  3.0 %, kwin_x11 : 0.8%)
 only three processes are running..
 *know
[13:19] <lordievader> I'd keep a `top` or `htop` open sorted on cpu usage and look for what is eating away at the cpu.
 but on system monitor overview section, CPU usage is 40-51% now
[13:20] <lordievader> I don't think the system monitor tells the whole picture.
 ok
[13:20] <lordievader> Is it an old laptop?
 not old or not new
 middle
 Ok, now my laptop got freezed.
 Only cursor is functioning..
 I am texting from mobile now..
[13:23] <lordievader> Interesting. Can you still go to a tty? (ctrl + alt + f1, for example)
 No
 I tried but not working
[13:25] <lordievader> ctrl + alt + f2 is also not working? The cursor still works though?
 I think my laptop has some problems, i tried most of linux Distro (Ubuntu, Manjaro, Arch Linux, Debian 11, Zorin,  MX Linux and many more) but on every Distro my laptop got freezed..
 And same thing is happening with Kubuntu now..
 Not working (re @IrcsomeBot: <lordievader> ctrl + alt + f2 is also not working? The cursor still works though?)
[13:26] <lordievader> Still, the cursor does work?
 Yes
[13:27] <lordievader> Well that means the kernel is not entirely dead.
 Ok
 What to do now?
[13:27] <lordievader> At this point I'd check if the disk is still ok and if it is perform a memory test.
[13:27] <lordievader> If all these distros have these kind of issues it is most likely a hardware issue.
 I think it's hardware issue on my laptop (re @IrcsomeBot: <lordievader> If all these distros have these kind of issues it is most likely a hardware issue.)
 Again i have to move back to Windows😔😩
[13:29] <lordievader> If it is a hardware issue, Windows has the same problem...
 No, Windows is working perfectly.
[13:30] <lordievader> That is odd.
 I trying all the linux distribution from last 28 days, i guess
 Every linux distribution are freezing on my laptop..
[13:31] <lordievader> Well, anyhow. Start by checking the smart stats of your hard drive. Install `smartmontools` and then run `sudo smartctl -a /dev/sd<disk-letter>`.
 It will work perfectly for one day(after installation) but on the next day it starts freezing.
[13:32] <lordievader> You are specifically looking for reallocated sectors or pending sectors. Those should report zero for a healthy disk.
 Ok, i have restarted my laptop (re @IrcsomeBot: <lordievader> Well, anyhow. Start by checking the smart stats of your hard drive. Install `smartmontools` and then run `sudo smartctl -a /dev/sd<disk-letter>`.)
 I'll check it now
 https://imgur.com/xmPpBcu
 https://imgur.com/QT3ikC6
 please check it.
[13:39] <lordievader> That looks okay.
[13:40] <mybalzitch> I don't understand why KDE won't automatically lock my screen at times. or even put it to sleep.
[13:40] <mybalzitch> *put the monitor to sleep
[13:40] <lordievader> IIRC, ubuntu automatically installs memtester (in the grub menu). Next step is to run that for a couple of hours. The longer the better.
 CPU usage:- https://imgur.com/undefined
 Hi @BlueKaj, are you a bot?
[13:42] <lordievader> Arent we all?
 CPU History:- https://imgur.com/undefined
[13:44] <lordievader> Student, those are broken links
 ok, CPU Usage:- https://imgur.com/Kdjo9Un     CPU history: https://imgur.com/7ySdLTb
[13:47] <lordievader> I would not call that idle.
[13:49] <lordievader> Student, what is the output of `top -bn 1 -o '%CPU'`?
 ok, you want me to close all the application and than take a screenshot?
 how to check that?
[13:50] <lordievader> !paste
[13:50] <lordievader> Just copy and paste the output to https://paste.ubuntu.com
[13:53] <BluesKaj> @Student, not a bot, just an old linux user
 How to check this? (re @IrcsomeBot: <lordievader> Student, what is the output of `top -bn 1 -o '%CPU'`?)
[14:03] <lordievader> Run that in a terminal
 when i run that command: i am getting greater than symbol ">"
 no text
 https://imgur.com/wjkJbz5
[14:06] <clickwir> you need one more ' after CPU
[14:07] <clickwir> top -bn 1 -o '%CPU'
[14:07] <lordievader> Exactly, now your shell is waiting for you to complete the '.
 ok got it
 Should i copy the output and paste it on https://paste.ubuntu.com or should i send it on imgur.com
[14:09] <lordievader> What ever is easiest (we are interested in the lines at the top)
 https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kdPFsYZdNw/
[14:11] <lordievader> Your systemd-journal process is going haywire. Perhaps a `sudo systemctl restart systemd-journald` fixes that .
 I ran this command : sudo systemctl restart systemd-journald
 but no output from last 1min
 https://imgur.com/50iVS3r
[14:19] <lordievader> Likely too busy with "something" to respond to your request to restart.
 ok. i'll restart and run that command
 by the way, what is the purpose of that process?
 Restarted but no output from last 2mins. (re @IrcsomeBot: <lordievader> Likely too busy with "something" to respond to your request to restart.)
[14:26] <clickwir> That process is for collecting and storing logs, usually it's a pretty quiet process and you never hear of it.
 But i am not getting any output by running that command.. Showing same after restarting.. (re @Student: https://imgur.com/50iVS3r)
 Got this output :- https://imgur.com/aId8vWM
[14:42] <Santurysim> Hello, does grub-install support installing grub signed with my keys?
[15:02] <nicolas_> Hello there,
[15:02] <nicolas_> I am very new to kubuntu ... about 3 days, I have searched but I cannot find how to make the menu show me 'grade' or 'grid' of icons, as well as in favorites instead of seeing a tiny icon and text I prefer the ones bigger icons, do you know if you can do that configuration?
[15:02] <nicolas_> https://ibb.co/ByK3DCK
[15:02] <nicolas_> https://ibb.co/XSp1fYv
[15:04] <nicolas_> https://ibb.co/1q6fTxM
[15:05] <nicolas_> I would like to configure everything as in favorites.
[15:05] <nicolas_> Can anyone help me?
 Right click the Kubuntu Menu icon - and change menu format.
 Rest you can find under system settings
[15:15] <alkisg> Do you mean that you have recompiled grub? Or that you want to add your own key to MOK, so that you can use it later on to load a kernel and modules?
[15:21] <Santurysim> alkisg: I have my own secure boot keys (pk, kek and image signing key in db), and I want grub-install to sign grubx64.efi with image signing key so everything can boot directly without shim?
[15:21] <nicolas_> Right-clicking on the Kubuntu menu icon - and changing the menu format.
[15:21] <nicolas_> Only the option to change Favorites appears.
[15:21] <nicolas_> https://ibb.co/ByK3DCK
 Configure Application Menu - option
[15:26] <nicolas_> yes: Configure Application Menu - option
[15:26] <nicolas_> https://ibb.co/WPr5Rjg
[15:27] <nicolas_> and
[15:27] <nicolas_> https://ibb.co/ByK3DCK
[15:29] <nicolas_> No option to change menu, only favorites.
 Finally found a solution to fix High CPU usage..  Here is the solution: (re @Student: CPU usage:- https://imgur.com/undefined)
 The systemd-journald is service in Linux OS that collects and stores the logging data.
 On some Linux distributions it is often found that systemd-journald service is consuming more than 90% or some times nearly 100% of CPU resources.
 So here's a fix for this problem...
 Open your terminal and type following command.(You can use text editor of your choice.)
     $ sudo nano /etc/default/grub
 Find a the line that begins with
[15:37] <nicolas_> https://ibb.co/cFGjpxT
 Sorry - Its s" Show Alternatives
[15:38] <nicolas_> https://ibb.co/Lvd2CFX
[15:44] <nicolas_> Now he inverted the menu, placing the icons first and then the categories.
[15:44] <nicolas_> Also went to the top of the screen (left).
[15:44] <nicolas_> https://ibb.co/Lvd2CFXhttps://ibb.co/sKGPbFp
[15:45] <nicolas_> https:/ibb.co/sKGPbFp
[15:46] <nicolas_> I will reboot
[15:54] <nicolas_> trying to search google if they have any way to centralize the simple menu
[16:23] <nicolas_> I've already checked it out and there is no option to centralize the simple menu.
[16:23] <nicolas_> So unfortunately it's putting the whole bar to the left or the tiny icons.
[16:23] <nicolas_> Thank you so much for all the help.
 try latte dock from Muon package manager
[19:42] <cutotopo> hello everyone! i have a question: is there a way to use kde with wayland on kubuntu 20.04 lts?
[19:44] <genii> !info plasma-workspace-wayland  focal
[19:45] <genii> Yep.
[19:53] <cutotopo> i tried installing it but it just shows a black screen and i have to hard reset the pc
[19:53] <cutotopo> the file ~/.local/share/sddm/wayland-session.log says  there is a dbus-update-activation-environment: warning: error sending to systemd: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ChildExited: Process org.freedesktop.systemd1 exited with status 1" error
[20:53] <webchat36> hi
[20:54] <webchat36> i use kubuntu 20.04 end i have lost pictures .thunterbird document folder
[20:55] <webchat36> all data inside lost
[20:58] <webchat36> the files were not deleted from me
[20:58] <webchat36> μυ ψομπθτερ θσεδ ονλυ φρομ με
[20:58] <webchat36> my computer used only from me
[21:35] <mparillo> Wayland support is improving on Intel.
[22:59] <johnI9_> hi
[22:59] <johnI9> hi


[09:24] <Duke`> I've noticed a little performance regression between dri-20100121 and dri-20100127 packages
[09:46] <bryceh> trick is measuring it
[16:24] <Sarvatt> yep same here Duke`, its just glxgears though
[16:46] <Duke`> Sarvatt, ok, no regression on quake3 for example?
[16:47] <Duke`> I may still git bisect, for curiosity
[16:47] <Sarvatt> none here for openarena or qgears2, its more like glxgears got sped up 50% for a few weeks rather than it dropped back to normal now :D
[16:48] <Duke`> I hoped that normal would be the 50%+ :D
[16:48] <Sarvatt> i noticed it went back down around the 24th or 25th
[16:49] <Sarvatt> intel: Remove DRI1 junk from blit glBitmap.
[16:49] <Sarvatt> around that time in mesa
[16:49] <Sarvatt> i looked at the log when i noticed it was slower
[17:06] <Duke`> hum, junk code removal making it slower?
[17:08] <Sarvatt> nah not pointing at that commit specifically, was just saying that was the time frame where it happened here
[17:14] <Duke`> ok


[00:03] <kenvandine> cyphermox, i uploaded the gtk patch from ted for fallback icons
[00:03] <kenvandine> in unapproved queue
[00:04] <cyphermox> awesome, thanks
[00:05] <kenvandine> np
[00:44] <TopWinStudio> hello everybody.
[00:44] <TopWinStudio> i need some help,please!
[00:45] <TopWinStudio> i installed the gnome3 in ubuntu 10.10 like this:
[00:45] <TopWinStudio> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3
[00:45] <TopWinStudio> sudo apt-get update
[00:46] <TopWinStudio> sudo apt-get install gnome-shell
[00:46] <TopWinStudio> but the desktop didn't change.but why?
[00:48] <RAOF> TopWinStudio: (1) I'm not sure if the gnome3 ppa actually supports 10.10 (rather than the current development release that will become 11.04), (2) You'd need to select the gnome-shell session at GDM.
[00:50] <TopWinStudio> thanks.is the 11.04 stable now?
[01:36] <hyperair> hi. what package do i assign a bug to when there's an issue with language packs?
[01:39] <jcastro> vish: did someone notice that the file copy icon in the indicator area (the nautilus one) is now a mouse pointer?
[07:14] <vish> jcastro: yup, i've noticed it, maybe its a MarkDecision™ ? I dont know and dint ask.. ;)
[07:44] <pitti> Good morning
[08:11] <didrocks> good morning
[08:11] <mvo> hey didrocks, good morning
[08:11] <didrocks> hey mvo, how are you?
[08:12] <mvo> good, thanks! not fully awake yet, but the tea is redy now so it won't take long
[08:17] <didrocks> :)
[08:19] <glatzor> mvo, morning
[08:20] <glatzor> mvo, just fixed another refactoring leftover in watch_lock
[08:20] <mvo> glatzor: awsome!
[08:20]  * mvo hugs glatzor
[08:20] <glatzor> mvo, how can I avoid that acquire mounts a cdrom? I am working on a test case for ProvideMedium
[08:23] <mvo> glatzor: apt_pkg.config.set("acquire::cdrom::nomount", "1") should work
[08:24] <mvo> glatzor: then you also need to point it to the right directory "acquire::cdrom::mount" "/path/to/dir" should work
[08:24] <mvo> glatzor: let me know if there are problem,s you may have to turn off udev automounting too, but I think it will just work with the two above config options
[08:28] <glatzor> mvo, apt-get install silly-base -o 'Dir'=/tmp/tmpq8796Btmp -o 'Acquire::cdrom::/tmp/tmpq8796Btmp/media/cdrom::mount'=False -o 'Acquire::cdrom::mount'=/tmp/tmpq8796Btmp/media/cdrom -o 'APT::CDROM::NoMount'=1 -o 'Dir::State::Status'=/tmp/tmpq8796Btmp/var/lib/dpkg/status  -o 'Acquire::cdrom::AutoDetect'=False"
[08:29] <glatzor> /tmp/tmpq8796Btmp ist das chroot
[08:29] <mvo> so that works now?
[08:29] <glatzor> no
[08:29] <mvo> out of curiosity what is/was the problem with the provide medium
[08:29] <glatzor> keeps asking for the medium
[08:29] <mvo> oh, hold on a sec then, let me check
[08:30] <glatzor> a moment i can share my branch
[08:31] <glatzor> adding the cdrom works nicely:
[08:31] <glatzor> +        os.system("echo 'Test CDROM' | apt-cdrom add -m -d %s "
[08:31] <glatzor> +                  "-o 'Acquire::cdrom::AutoDetect'=False "
[08:31] <glatzor> +                  "-o 'Dir'=%s" % (mount_point, self.path))
[08:33] <glatzor> the original provide medium error seems to be a python-dbus issue
[08:34] <mvo> what does Debug::Acquire::cdrom "1" print? if you add that to the test?
[08:35] <glatzor> 0% [Wird verarbeitet]CDROMMethod::Fetch cdrom:[Test CDROM]/repo/./silly-base_0.1-0update1_all.deb
[08:35] <glatzor> Looking for CDROM at /tmp/tmpomDDIVtmp/media/cdrom/
[08:35] <glatzor> ID 2 30789ebfc1ce94dc618fd4b6547ca0a2-2
[08:35] <glatzor> ID 1 5ec68c75c4024592762a172ee9b1fdcc-1
[08:35] <glatzor> Medienwechsel: Bitte legen Sie das Medium mit dem Namen
[08:35] <glatzor>  »Test CDROM«
[08:35] <glatzor> in Laufwerk »/tmp/tmpomDDIVtmp/media/cdrom/« ein und drücken Sie die Eingabetaste (Enter).
[08:36] <mvo> does the id match? the one that got printed by add?
[08:38] <glatzor> ach in der tat
[08:39] <glatzor> Verwendeter CD-ROM-Einbindungspunkt: /tmp/tmpOtJb3ytmp/media/cdrom/
[08:39] <glatzor> Identifizieren ... [2f96a8a50411c379e304302e4878845b-2]
[08:39] <glatzor> Durchsuchen des Mediums nach Index-Dateien ...
[08:39] <glatzor> 1 Paketindizes, 0 Quellindizes, 0 Übersetzungsindizes und 1 Signaturen gefunden
[08:39] <glatzor> Bitte geben Sie einen Namen für dieses Medium an, wie zum Beispiel »Debian 5.0.3 Disk 1«:
[08:39] <glatzor> Name: 'Test CDROM'
[08:39] <glatzor> Dieses Medium heißt:
[08:39] <glatzor> »Test CDROM«
[08:39] <glatzor> Reading Package Indexes... Fertig
[08:39] <glatzor> Schreiben der neuen Quellliste
[08:39] <glatzor> Quelllisteneinträge für dieses Medium sind:
[08:39] <glatzor> deb cdrom:[Test CDROM]/repo/ /
[08:39] <glatzor> Wiederholen Sie dieses Prozedere für die restlichen Disks Ihres Satzes.
[08:39] <glatzor> the ids are different
[08:39] <mvo> it will use the .disks/ dir on a writable medium to identify the disk, but it needs to stay the same, i.e. no creating/recreating in a tmpdir
[08:40] <mvo> well, the "disk" ;)
[08:40] <mvo> so the more "frozen" the whole cdrom dir stays, the happy this will be
[08:40] <glatzor> mvo, what should the content of .disks be?
[08:40] <glatzor> mvo, I could also use a symlink
[08:41] <glatzor> the mount point dir doesn't get modified between the apd-cdrom and apt-get call
[08:41] <mvo> glatzor: usually it contains build info and stuff, let me check how much its actually using it, for now it may be enough to just populate iwth with a info file
[08:41] <mvo> glatzor: hmmm
[08:41] <mvo> glatzor: ok, if it does not get modified, there goes my theory :/
[08:42] <mvo> still worth tryint to add .disk/info if that does not work I would appreciate if you could push the branch and I dig a bit deeper into it
[08:43]  * glatzor hugs mvo!
[08:43] <glatzor> info file is enough!
[08:43] <mvo> excellent :)
[08:43]  * mvo hugs glatzor
[08:44]  * mvo HUGS glatzor again for all the nice fixes that are currently flooding in
[08:44]  * glatzor is just fixing his own bugs :)
[08:45] <mvo> … and makes millions of users happy with this!
[08:51] <rodrigo_> morning
[08:53] <didrocks> hey glatzor, rodrigo_!
[08:57] <seb128> hello desktopers
[08:57] <seb128> hey didrocks rodrigo_
[08:58] <seb128> how are you?
[08:58] <rodrigo_> hi seb128, didrocks
[08:59] <didrocks> salut seb128
[09:03] <pitti> bonjour seb128, ca va didrocks
[09:04] <pitti> hey rodrigo_
[09:04] <didrocks> ça va bien pitti ;) you?
[09:04] <pitti> glatzor: servus!
[09:04] <pitti> didrocks: feeling old!
[09:05] <didrocks> pitti: oh right! Happy birthday :-)
[09:05] <pitti> merci!
[09:06] <seb128> hey pitti, ca va bien! et toi ?
[09:06] <didrocks> pitti: is that what you asked for your birthday? a working and shiny beta2? :-)
[09:06] <seb128> pitti, oh? happy birthday!
[09:06] <pitti> didrocks: yeah, it's a nice gift, isn't it? :-)
[09:06] <rodrigo_> hey pitti, happy birthday!
[09:06] <pitti> seb128: merci!
[09:07] <pitti> rodrigo_: gracias
[09:07] <rodrigo_> :)
[09:07]  * pitti sobs "31"
[09:07] <pitti> I was 24 when I started all this. working on Ubuntu makes you grow old :)
[09:08] <seb128> ;-)
[09:08] <seb128> same here
[09:08] <seb128> well I'm not 31 yet but that's coming :p
[09:23] <seb128> bah
[09:23] <seb128> compiz just locked
[09:23] <seb128> didrocks, those locking issues are keybinding related right? I never had a lock before using super to open a place which I just did
[09:23] <seb128> which doesn't work anyway
[09:24] <didrocks> seb128: you mean global freeze?
[09:24] <seb128> no, I mean compiz freeze
[09:24] <seb128> not sure what difference you make
[09:24] <didrocks> yeah, UI freeze anyway
[09:24] <seb128> I switched to a vt and stopped compiz and restarted it and I'm fine
[09:24] <seb128> so it's only compiz
[09:24] <seb128> it's not a box freeze
[09:25] <didrocks> so yeah, it's a freeze where compiz wait on a key receive signal by xlib
[09:25] <seb128> ok
[09:25] <didrocks> right, but the whole ui is frozen then as compiz doesn't refresh
[09:25] <seb128> I'm happy I don't use the keyboard ;-)
[09:25] <didrocks> seb128: clap your hands, it's the future :-)
[09:25] <seb128> btw in case I didn't tell it before be opening the places with the keyboard sucks
[09:26] <seb128> I sit on super key and did press letters like 10 times
[09:26] <didrocks> seb128: how?
[09:26] <didrocks> yeah
[09:26] <didrocks> this is a compiz issue
[09:26] <seb128> then I unpressed super and it showed the place...
[09:26] <didrocks> sam proposed a fix which broke the rest of key handling
[09:26] <didrocks> (in compiz)
[09:26] <seb128> ok
[09:26] <didrocks> so the fix has been "backlog"
[09:27] <seb128> so I guess "known bug but not on the natty list"
[09:27] <didrocks> yes
[09:27] <seb128> thanks
[09:27] <seb128> I will stop complaining there ;-)
[09:27] <didrocks> yw, sorry for that, but I can't do anything from the unity side :)
[09:27]  * didrocks tests a natty installed in // on his netbook. First ubiquity slideshow and "waow"
[09:28] <didrocks> (my netbook was stucked, couldn't type in gdm, nothing, last week-end)
[09:31] <seb128> pitti, bah, I though for a minute that we unfroze and that the queue got flushed when reading the other channel :p
[09:32] <pitti> hehe, me too; my heart stopped for a second
[09:54] <htorque> didrocks, bug 711561 seems only half fixed. if i enable the desktop cube plugin, i'm getting the following: http://paste.ubuntu.com/593917/ - after disabling unity & co, the desktop will be a mess
[09:55] <htorque> however, after enabling the cube, i can re-enable unity and the cube/rotation plugins work fine
[09:55] <htorque> [i tested this after a unity --reset, just to be sure]
[09:56] <didrocks> htorque: yeah, hence my latest comment. This seems to be a bug in ccsm though or libcompizconfig, patch welcomed
[09:56] <didrocks> htorque: it's something we don't support at all, I just relaxed the dependency.
[09:57] <didrocks> htorque: basically, cube and wall provides a feature, called "largedesktop" IIRC
[09:57] <didrocks> unity depends on it
[09:57] <didrocks> then, it seems that when you switch to enable one plugin with that feature (which conflicts with other plugins in that features) ccsm doesn't really know to handle this (it should try to remove the conflict first)
[09:57]  * Sweetshark reads backlog ...
[09:58] <Sweetshark> pitti: Happy Birthday!
[09:58]  * Sweetshark mumbles: "31? young grasshopper!"
[09:58] <pitti> thanks Sweetshark !
[09:59] <didrocks> htorque: hence the fact it removes unity. Anyway, I've enough to fix with what support already :) but a volonteer contribution on that (shouldn't be that complex to make the check of deps once the whole "transaction finished") is more than welcomed :)
[09:59] <htorque> didrocks, but this is definitely no unity bug?
[09:59] <mvo> ohhh, happy birthday pitti :)
[09:59] <pitti> mvo: :) danke
[09:59] <htorque> pitti, happy birthday!
[10:00] <didrocks> htorque: no, this is a ccsm or libcompizconfig one
[10:01] <Sweetshark> pitti: could you approve the FFe for bug 753584?
[10:02] <glatzor> mvo, the test is in rev 637. the provide_medium method works :)
[10:02] <glatzor> mvo, but the package manager seems to fail and I cannot identify the reason.
[10:02] <htorque> didrocks: good, thanks! as for "patches welcome" i guess i'm the wrong guy unless it's a one-liner :P
[10:03] <didrocks> htorque: heh :)
[10:07] <lucazade> ping rodrigo_
[10:12] <rodrigo_> hey lucazade
[10:12] <rodrigo_> lucazade, thanks for coming!
[10:12] <lucazade> :) glad to help
[10:13] <rodrigo_> lucazade, ok, so can you please 'bzr get lp:~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/natty/gnome-settings-daemon/really-fix-649809' first?
[10:14] <rodrigo_> lucazade, and edit debian/patches/series and comment out all the lines (adding a '#' at the beginning of each line) except for the last one (93_wait_for_xsettings...)
[10:15] <lucazade>
[10:15] <lucazade> rodrigo_  ok
[10:15] <rodrigo_> lucazade, then rebuild, with 'bzr bd -- -b'
[10:15] <rodrigo_> lucazade, then install the packages it will create under ../build-area and try that
[10:15] <lucazade> perfect I'll try (didn't know this 'bzr bd')
[10:16] <rodrigo_> lucazade, you'll need to install bzr-builddeb
[10:16] <rodrigo_> lucazade, with this, we'll know if it's one of the ubuntu patches
[10:17] <rodrigo_> lucazade, oh, before loging in, can you go to a vt and:
[10:17] <seb128> rodrigo_, one of the user said that the issue is also on debian when you asked to uninstall ubuntuone-client-gnome
[10:17] <seb128> rodrigo_, but I guess we can still verify
[10:17] <mvo> glatzor: thanks, I will have a look in a bit
[10:18] <rodrigo_> $ gdb /usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon/gnome-settings-daemon $pid_of_gdm'sgsd
[10:18] <lucazade> rodrigo_ ok
[10:18] <rodrigo_> seb128, yes, but I'm out of ideas, so trying everything
[10:18] <rodrigo_> lucazade, on the (gdb) prompt just type 'c' and then log in and inmediately go back to the vt and enter 'thread apply all bt' in the (gdb) prompt
[10:19] <seb128> rodrigo_, can't we simply make g-s-d takes over any running xsettings manager when starting rather than bailing out?
[10:19] <rodrigo_> seb128, it's not possible afaik, not until the X property is gone from the gdm's gsd
[10:19] <seb128> ok
[10:20] <rodrigo_> seb128, but the problem lucazade and another guy are still having seem to really be g-s-d is taking too long to finish
[10:20] <rodrigo_> which might be a gdm bug if so
[10:20] <rodrigo_> since it should wait for it to finish
[10:20] <lucazade> rodrigo, when I try to build I get this: "bzr: ERROR: Unable to find the needed upstream tarball: gnome-settings-daemon_2.32.1.orig.tar.gz.
[10:20] <seb128> pitti, sorry about the "opinion", small bug in my greasemonkey it does that sometimes but's meant to be "invalid"
[10:20] <lucazade> "
[10:21] <pitti> seb128: how can it be invalid?
[10:21] <seb128> pitti, it's still not a gdm bug, it's a gtk one and there is a fix in the natty queue
[10:21] <pitti> seb128: that icon clearly is broken..
[10:21] <pitti> seb128: ah, can we make it a duplicate then?
[10:21] <seb128> pitti, because it's a duplicate but I can't be bothered to search for numbers for every single duplicate filed or I would do nothing else from my day
[10:21] <pitti> lucazade: try bzr bd -S
[10:21] <pitti> seb128: ah, ok
[10:21] <rodrigo_> lucazade, wget http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/gnome-settings-daemon/2.32/gnome-settings-daemon-2.32.1.tar.gz and rename it to gnome-settings-daemon_2.32.1.orig.tar.gz on the parent folder of the branch checkout
[10:21] <pitti> seb128: so I misunderstood that then, sorry
[10:21] <seb128> pitti, no worry, sorry about the suboptimal handling
[10:22] <rodrigo_> not sure why, but debian/watch fails also sometimes for me to get the upstream tarball
[10:22] <rodrigo_> I guess it hits an out-of-date mirror
[10:22] <seb128> pitti, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/69317309/gtk%2B2.0_2.24.4-0ubuntu1_2.24.4-0ubuntu2.diff.gz
[10:22] <seb128> pitti, you have the bug reference in there ;-)
[10:22] <pitti> ah :)
[10:22] <seb128> (easier when the uploadis in the queue than searching though launchpad)
[10:23]  * pitti dupes it then
[10:23] <kamstrup> dpm: Just a heads up - I just added a string freeze exception rq on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+bug/754424
[10:24] <seb128> pitti, thanks
[10:24] <rodrigo_> lucazade, oh, before typing 'c' in (gdb) prompt, please type this: 'set logging on'
[10:24] <pitti> Sweetshark: bug updated (it's a bug fix, not an FFE)
[10:25] <rodrigo_> lucazade, that would save the output to gdb.txt
[10:25] <rodrigo_> lucazade, so that you can pastebin that
[10:25] <lucazade> rodrigo_ ok
[10:27] <mvo> glatzor: it looks like its trying to run the debconf preconfigure stuff in the wrong directory (i.e. not in the chroot)
[10:27] <mvo> glatzor: let me check further
[10:31] <GunnarHj> pitti: Hi Martin!
[10:31] <GunnarHj> pitti: Could you please sponsor https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/gdm/profile/+merge/57218 ? kirkland was supposed to do it, but he seems to have got busy with other stuff, and I'm  worrying about "Main Release Freeze". (It's about changes to three lines of code, so it shouldn't take long.)
[10:31] <pitti> hey GunnarHj
[10:32] <pitti> test -f "$HOME/.profile" && ( . "$HOME/.profile" ) && . "$HOME/.profile"
[10:32] <pitti> GunnarHj: hmm -- would you mind changing that to just || true?
[10:32] <pitti> first it only takes half the time, second there might be stuff in .profile which doesn't get along well with being run twice
[10:33] <glatzor> mvo, the debconf message are fine. it just cannot open the passwords.dat - but this is just a warning
[10:34] <GunnarHj> pitti: You are the third person who suggests that. ;-)  I succeeded in convincing kirkland that it's not working. Pls see comments on the MP.
[10:35] <mvo> glatzor: ok, I have in the chroot log "required operation requires superuser priviledges" (from dpkg). so something with the wrapper, I'm digging
[10:35] <glatzor> mvo, ahhhh I know
[10:35] <glatzor> mvo, thanks for pointing me to this
[10:35] <pitti> GunnarHj: right, just ( . profile) won't work, that's a new shell
[10:35] <pitti> GunnarHj: I thought about
[10:35] <pitti> set +e
[10:36] <pitti> . profile
[10:36] <pitti> set -e
[10:36] <dpm> kamstrup, thanks for the heads up. Do you think you could give me an updated .pot file I could manually upload into LP, so that translators don't have to wait for the upload and can start translating straight away?
[10:36] <mvo> glatzor: ok, cool - what is it :) I'm curious as well!
[10:36] <pitti> GunnarHj: sourcing .profile twice sounds error prone, I'm afraid I'm not willing to merge this that late
[10:36] <pitti> GunnarHj: wrapping in +e/-e sounds safer to me
[10:36] <kamstrup> dpm: possibly - i'm just checking with the release team whether they +/-1 it
[10:37] <dpm> kamstrup, ok, when/if you get the confirmation, just ping me with the template if possible and I'll upload it and send a notice to translators
[10:37] <dpm> thanks!
[10:38] <glatzor> in the aptdaemon.test.Chroot.setup() method the dpkg-wrapper is configured. but aptdaemon, which is launched in the background, cannot access the apt_pkg.config object in the actual test file
[10:38] <kamstrup> dpm: sure thing
[10:38] <rodrigo_> lucazade, everything going all right? let me know if you have any problem
[10:39] <lucazade> rodrigo_ still building!
[10:39] <rodrigo_> lucazade, ok :)
[10:42] <GunnarHj> pitti: If you hesitate about patch 43_..., it's the change to patch 36_... I'm anxious that it gets uploaded.
[10:42] <GunnarHj> pitti: But set +e sounds like it should work, so I can change to that.
[10:42] <GunnarHj> pitti: If I do, should I really "set -e" afterwards, considering that -e is not set in Xsession by default?
[10:42] <pitti> GunnarHj: oh, it's not? why does it fail then?
[10:43] <pitti> oh, due to syntax errors, not failed programs
[10:43] <seb128> kamstrup, you might want to ask about your ffe on #ubuntu-release
[10:43] <pitti> GunnarHj: set +e won't help with syntax errors indeed
[10:43] <vish> pitti: no need UIFe either for Bug 753584 ?
[10:43] <vish> pitti: i think Sweetshark meant to tag it UIFe instead of FFe
[10:43] <pitti> GunnarHj: but I don't think we should penalize everyone by running stuff twice just to try and guard against broken .profiles IMHO
[10:44] <pitti> vish: still, it's a bug, isn't it?
[10:44] <pitti> at least I consider it as that
[10:44] <lucazade> rodrigo_ ... failed at the end : "Now signing changes and any dsc files...
[10:44] <lucazade> Could not find a signing program (pgp or gpg)!
[10:44] <lucazade> debuild: fatal error at line 1256:
[10:44] <lucazade> running debsign failed
[10:44] <vish> pitti: not a bug,IMO, its just something new and shiny they want to have ;)
[10:44] <lucazade> bzr: ERROR: The build failed.
[10:44] <lucazade> "
[10:44] <rodrigo_> lucazade, yeah, don't worry about that, the .deb's are under ../build-area
[10:45] <lucazade> correct!
[10:45] <GunnarHj> pitti: Ok. Would it be possible for you to upload only the 'safe' revision, or should I remove the .profile part from the MP?
[10:45] <vish> pitti: icons are already there, but they wanted to use the new LibO icons
[10:45] <pitti> GunnarHj: as you prefer; if I merge it and drop the xsession stuff from it, it will appear as merged although it isn't really, but I guess it doesn't matter?
[10:46] <GunnarHj> pitti: Aha, think I change it then. Easily done. :)
[10:46] <GunnarHj> pitti: Getting back in a few minutes.
[10:50] <lucazade> rodrigo_ installed... i've tried without gdb for the moment and the issue is no more present.. it looks like it is something in ubuntu patches.. now i'm going to use gdb
[10:50] <rodrigo_> lucazade, wait, can you please try a few times to re-confirm?
[10:50] <lucazade> ok
[10:51] <rodrigo_> lucazade, then, if you have time, enable patches one by one
[10:51] <rodrigo_> lucazade, well, I'll let you know some patches that can be enabled safely, to save you some builds
[10:51] <lucazade> perfect
[10:51] <rodrigo_> lucazade, well, I don't want to steal lots of time from you, so do you have time to do the rebuilds (5 or 6)?
[10:52] <lucazade> maybe not now, in the afternoon I can do some tries
[10:52] <seb128> no need to do a new build each time
[10:52] <rodrigo_> lucazade, ok, let me find the safe patches
[10:52] <seb128> you can go in the build dir, apply a patch and run "debuild binary"
[10:52] <seb128> it will not clean and build again but just do "make" and "make install" again basically
[10:52] <rodrigo_> seb128, ah, cool, and that creates the new .deb's?
[10:52] <seb128> yes
[10:52] <rodrigo_> seb128, ah, great
[10:53] <rodrigo_> lucazade, ^^
[10:53] <seb128> it just start from "make" rather than doing it all over
[10:53] <pitti> dpkg-buildpackage -b -us -uc -nc
[10:53] <pitti> -nc -> "no clean"
[10:53] <seb128> pitti, "debuild binary" is easier to type ;-)
[10:53] <lucazade> apply a patch in series file ?
[10:53] <pitti> this is so exceptionally useful that I have a "dreb" alias for it :)
[10:53] <pitti> seb128: ^ not for me :)
[10:53] <seb128> lol
[10:53] <seb128> ok, you win ;-)
[10:53] <rodrigo_> and how does he apply a patch on the build dir?
[10:54] <seb128> lucazade, you can usually just patch -p1 < debian/patches/num_patch
[10:54] <rodrigo_> ah, ok
[10:54] <lucazade> seb128 ... ok good to know I'll try
[10:55] <lucazade> rodrigo_ anyway Im doing some reboot and logout ... system is stable
[10:56] <rodrigo_> lucazade, ok, so you can safely enable 01__xrdb.patch, 02_fix_randr.patch, 02_missing_libs.patch, 03_maintainer_mode.patch, 05_disable_corner_tapping.patch, 05_use_xrecord.patch, 07_dont_display_autostart.patch, 12_monitor_network_fs.patch, 30_pkgconfig-path.patch, 91_update_gvc_source.patch and 92_datetime_fixups.patch
[10:57] <rodrigo_> lucazade, ok, let me know what you find out, I'll have a look at the other patches myself in the meantime to see what might be wrong there
[10:57] <rodrigo_> I guess the guy complaining about the bug being in debian is because debian doesn't have the upstream fix
[10:57]  * rodrigo_ checks
[10:58] <lucazade> rodrigo_ ok ... I'll let you know asap
[10:58] <rodrigo_> lucazade, no hurry, and thanks a lot for your help :)
[10:58] <lucazade> np
[11:01] <rodrigo_> lucazade, oh, and btw, no need for the gdb part of the instructions for now, just enable the patches, and when you see the problem again, let me know which patch and we'll do some debugging if I can't find the issue myself, ok?
[11:02] <rodrigo_> lucazade, that would make things quicker for you
[11:02] <lucazade> rodrigo_ yes, of course..
[11:02] <rodrigo_> ok, thanks again :)
[11:03] <lucazade> rodrigo_ first issue! "Applying patch 92_datetime_fixups.patch
[11:03] <lucazade> patching file plugins/datetime/gsd-datetime-mechanism.c
[11:03] <lucazade> Hunk #1 succeeded at 628 (offset -241 lines).
[11:03] <lucazade> Hunk #2 succeeded at 639 (offset -241 lines).
[11:03] <lucazade> Hunk #3 FAILED at 891.
[11:03] <lucazade> 1 out of 3 hunks FAILED -- rejects in file plugins/datetime/gsd-datetime-mechanism.c
[11:03] <lucazade> Patch 92_datetime_fixups.patch does not apply (enforce with -f)
[11:03] <lucazade> make: *** [debian/stamp-patched] Errore 1
[11:03] <lucazade> dpkg-buildpackage: error: debian/rules build gave error exit status 2
[11:03] <lucazade> debuild: fatal error at line 1335:
[11:03] <lucazade> dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -D -us -uc -b failed
[11:03] <lucazade> bzr: ERROR: The build failed.
[11:03] <lucazade> "
[11:03] <rodrigo_> lucazade, yes, start from the 1st patch, since the patches build on each other
[11:03] <rodrigo_> well, some patches like this one do
[11:04] <lucazade> i've enabled all the patches you told me were ok
[11:04] <rodrigo_> ah, right
[11:04] <rodrigo_> ok, disable that one then, it needs some previous ones
[11:04] <lucazade> ok
[11:05] <lucazade> brb
[11:09] <pitti> kamstrup: responded to the bug with some alternative suggestions how to avoid the string break
[11:18] <GunnarHj> pitti: Ok, dropped the .profile stuff. https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/gdm/profile/+merge/57648
[11:20] <pitti> GunnarHj: merged and uploaded, thanks!
[11:29] <GunnarHj> pitti: Thanks! Think I'll still look into the +e idea. I'll let you know.
[11:29] <glatzor> mvo, mei was für a schwere geburt. aber jetzt sollte der test laufen :)
[11:29] <pitti> GunnarHj: it will help with the most common problem of having failing program calls, but if you say that Xsession already isn't set -e, it won't help
[11:30] <glatzor> mvo, I wonder why I get the unbalanced action groups warnings
[11:30] <pitti> GunnarHj: you wanted to guard against syntax errors, right?
[11:34] <GunnarHj> pitti: Right. But my assumption has been that there are occurrences of configurations that somehow makes Xsession run with -e being set, even if the Xsession code does not include it. Otherwise I don't understand bug 678421.
[11:35] <pitti> GunnarHj: in this case it would help
[11:36] <GunnarHj> pitti: That's what I thought. But what about my assumption? Does it make sense to you?
[11:38] <lucazade> rodrigo_ applied patch 6-appindicator and the issue is now present (going to check again)
[11:38] <rodrigo_> lucazade, yeah, that seemed the culprit to me, so looking at the code
[11:39] <rodrigo_> lucazade, can you just enable the rest and leave that one disabled to check it's indeed the culprit?
[11:39] <lucazade> yes yes was going to do
[11:39] <rodrigo_> lucazade, ok
[11:39] <pitti> GunnarHj: off the top of my head I wouldn't know how, unless you also modified the Xsession script
[11:41] <GunnarHj> pitti: Maybe, In that case, I should just ask a question to the bug reporter and set the status "Incomplete"?
[11:41] <pitti> GunnarHj: that bug talked about syntax errors, not failed program calls
[11:42] <glatzor> mvo, a simple             with self._cache.actiongroup():
[11:42] <glatzor>                 pkg.mark_install() results in an unbalanced action group error
[11:42] <GunnarHj> pitti: Yes. Not sure what you mean now. I'm also talking about syntax errors.
[11:43] <fta> pitti, hi, any idea what bug 759635 could be about?
[11:43] <pitti> GunnarHj: right, and set -e doesn't help you there :)
[11:43] <pitti> or set +e
[11:44] <GunnarHj> pitti: As far as I understand, as long as -e is not set, syntax errors does not make the process stop.
[11:44] <GunnarHj> pitti: Doesn't +e disable -e, so to say?
[11:45] <pitti> GunnarHj: right
[11:45] <pitti> GunnarHj: syntax errors always kill the program, as you can't even parse the shell script then
[11:45] <pitti> GunnarHj: try e. g.
[11:45] <pitti> echo begin
[11:45] <pitti> echo ${HOME/m/x/}
[11:46] <pitti> echo end
[11:46] <pitti> i na file
[11:46] <pitti> in a file
[11:46] <pitti> and then run it with bash (works) and dash (fails, as ${x/from/to} is a bashism)
[11:47] <GunnarHj> pitti: Will do. Getting back in a while.
[11:47] <pitti> GunnarHj: it does fail, it was just an example to point out the difference between a failing program call and a syntax error
[11:50] <GunnarHj> pitti: Does it mean that my examples in the comments on https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/gdm/profile/+merge/57218 actually tested for failed program calls, not syntax errors?
[11:51] <pitti> GunnarHj: calling "wrongsyntax" is not a syntax error, it's just a failed program call
[11:51] <pitti> which set +e would ignore
[11:52] <pitti> GunnarHj: so there a set +e/set -e wrapper would do fine (but shouldn't be necessary really as Xsession isn't set -e)
[11:52] <pitti> GunnarHj: the original bug mentioned a bashism in ~/.profile
[11:52] <lucazade> rodrigo_ enabled all patches but #6 ... no issues
[11:52] <GunnarHj> pitti: I see. Then I give up. For now, that is. :)  Thanks for the lesson!
[11:53] <rodrigo_> lucazade, ok, looking at the code, so as soon as I have some fix, I'll post a link to a package on the bug
[11:53] <rodrigo_> lucazade, so not stealing more time from you anymore :)
[11:53] <lucazade> rodrigo_ ok .. I'll look at the bug report, ask me if you need testing
[11:54] <rodrigo_> lucazade, yes, I'll need some testing as soon as I've got a fix, as the issue does not happen to me
[11:54] <rodrigo_> lucazade, but yes, just keep track of the bug, so thanks again for your time
[11:54] <lucazade> rodrigo_ ok see you!
[11:54] <rodrigo_> lucazade, bye!
[11:56] <kamstrup> pitti: thanks! I added a reply
[11:56] <pitti> kamstrup: me too :)
[12:01] <Sweetshark> vish: ping?
[12:02] <rodrigo_> hmm, I remember jcastro posting some URL for unity tricks, does anyone know where is it? also, is that where we should redirect people?
[12:02] <rodrigo_> didrocks, ^
[12:02] <didrocks> rodrigo_: which kind of tricks? his video or shortcuts?
[12:03] <didrocks> rodrigo_: there were something else IIRC on askubuntu with a "unity tag"
[12:03] <rodrigo_> didrocks, shortcuts and other things, iirc
[12:03] <rodrigo_> oh, will try askubuntu
[12:04] <didrocks> http://askubuntu.com/questions/28086/unity-keyboard-mouse-shortcuts
[12:04] <rodrigo_> ok thanks
[12:04] <rodrigo_> I guess the best thing is to send people to http://askubuntu.com/questions/tagged/unity
[12:04] <rodrigo_> right?
[12:04] <rodrigo_> seems to have a lot of stuff
[12:05] <didrocks> yeah
[12:05] <didrocks> that's what he pointed
[12:13] <didrocks> seb128: the accessibility icon beeing the generic "unknown icon" in gdm is a known issue I guess?
[12:18] <vish> Sweetshark: pong
[12:20] <seb128> didrocks, yes
[12:20] <didrocks> seb128: ok thanks
[12:20] <seb128> didrocks, there is a fixed package in the queue waiting for the freeze to relax
[12:20] <seb128> yw
[12:20] <didrocks> ok, excellent then :)
[12:22] <Sweetshark> vish: I will ask about getting bug 753584 sponsored from https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-art-pkg/humanity/release any final words about that one?
[12:22] <vish> Sweetshark: nope, we just need to point the changelog to Natty and release :)
[12:24] <Sweetshark> vish: great!
[12:25] <seb128> rodrigo_, what patch is creating the gsd issue?
[12:25] <rodrigo_> seb128, the appindicator one
[12:25] <seb128> weird
[12:25] <seb128> rodrigo_, are we sure?
[12:25] <rodrigo_> seb128, I think the keyboard one, still checking
[12:26] <rodrigo_> seb128, lucazade enabled all patches but that one and it works, but with that one enabled, he sees the problem again
[12:26] <Sweetshark> vish: about bug 758854 and related issues: IMHO the icons in our humanity theme in LO and outside of it should be the same. So if there are new icons in humanity-icon-theme, the same should also be updated to the LO theme. Right?
[12:26] <seb128> rodrigo_, ok, weird, did he get a stacktrace of where it hangs with it?
[12:27] <rodrigo_> seb128, no, didn't want to steal more time from him, but I will ask him again in the afternoon if I don't see where the problem is
[12:27] <Sweetshark> vish: (not for natty, but for O)
[12:28] <seb128> rodrigo_, ok, thanks for investigating it
[12:28] <rodrigo_> seb128, thanks go to lucazade :)
[12:28] <vish> Sweetshark: right now, its not an issue they are same.. actually he got confused by the first bug and thought we needed to create new icons for humanity in LibO colors.. not sure if we will be changing those icons too much, but if we do i'll let you know
[12:30] <vish> Sweetshark: the humanity icons in libO package are mainly rendered png versions of what we have in humanity, just that it is a PITA searching and using the right icons names :D
[12:33] <Sweetshark> vish: indeed.
[12:38] <fta> pitti, ping
[12:39] <seb128> fta, you should better ping with context, he's taking a break but other people might be able to reply
[12:40] <fta> seb128, it's above, melted within a thread :(
[12:41] <seb128> the chromium apport bug you listed?
[12:41] <fta> apport hooks (bug 759635)
[12:41] <fta> no idea what's going on there
[12:43] <mvo> glatzor: maybe something for juliank?
[12:58] <chrisccoulson> fta - you seem to be misusing the second parameter to add_info in your script
[12:58] <fta> chrisccoulson, yep, just figured it out
[12:58] <chrisccoulson> that's not a string, but is an object that allows you to interact with the user (ask questions, and stuff like that)
[12:58] <chrisccoulson> ah :)
[12:59] <fta> it's a apport.ui.HookUI instance (now?). i wonder why it worked before
[13:00] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure why it worked before. perhaps that changed, but i don't think so :/
[13:04] <seb128> hum
[13:04] <seb128> "We're Sorry. Firefox had a problem and crashed."
[13:04] <chrisccoulson> oh?
[13:05] <chrisccoulson> did you get the crash dialog? (i assume so)
[13:05] <seb128> it's still on screen
[13:05] <chrisccoulson> can you submit it?
[13:05] <seb128> I'm pondering telling mozilla or not
[13:05] <chrisccoulson> i want to make sure it's nothing to do with me ;)
[13:05] <seb128> I don't like much sending browser datas over the internet
[13:06] <seb128> "Submitting your report" has a "broken icon" icon btw
[13:06] <seb128> bah
[13:07] <seb128> I submitted the crash but the stupid thing didn't give me an url about where it landed or anything
[13:07] <ogra_> is the broken icon on gdm for a11y already reported somewhere ?
[13:07] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - that's ok. if you go to about:crashes, you can get the URL from there
[13:07] <seb128> ogra_, yes
[13:07] <ogra_> (while you talk about broken icons) :)
[13:07] <ogra_> ah, great, thanks
[13:07] <seb128> chrisccoulson, https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/pending/f61a67ff-f55d-4863-b2d8-28e672110414
[13:08] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[13:08] <seb128> well it's spinning and has a retry counter
[13:08] <seb128> I did ctrl-W while in the natty queue with a filter on shotwell if that's of any use
[13:09] <seb128> there was no other tab open
[13:09] <seb128> chrisccoulson, https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/f61a67ff-f55d-4863-b2d8-28e672110414
[13:09] <chrisccoulson> hmmm
[13:09] <chrisccoulson> i really need to start generating breakpad symbols from gtk and glib, and submitting those too
[13:10] <chrisccoulson> unfortunately, it's crashing on a thread with no symbols at all :(
[13:10] <seb128> there is no apport crash or anything I can deal with it locally?
[13:11] <chrisccoulson> no, it's blacklisted in apport
[13:15] <glatzor> mvo, mpt: I made a small path which would allow to overwrite the lintian warning if a package of bad quality should be installed
[13:15] <glatzor> patch
[13:15] <mvo> glatzor: ok
[13:17] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - oh, i see some gtk criticals on shutdown if i do ctrl+w with a single tab on the natty queue
[13:17] <chrisccoulson> could be a clue ;)
[13:17] <chrisccoulson> (firefox-bin:8216): Gtk-CRITICAL **: IA__gtk_clipboard_get_for_display: assertion `!display->closed' failed
[13:18] <rodrigo_> ok, lunch time, bbl
[13:20] <glatzor> mvo, lp:~glatzor/software-center/force-bad-quality
[13:25] <mvo> thanks glatzor, looking
[13:26] <cyphermox> ogra_, broken a11y icon: I think it's supposed to be in the queue too, or at least the fix would have been yesterday, if it does fix it ;)
[13:26] <ogra_> cyphermox, yeah, i just wanted to know if i should file it
[13:27] <cyphermox> ogra_, it was filed already
[13:27] <ogra_> yup
[13:39] <seb128> pitti, ok, sorry to ask but do you have any clue when uploads might start being reviewed and get in? any likely it will be today?
[13:39] <pitti> seb128: not yet, as we are still testing; I certainly hope/think tonight
[13:40] <seb128> ok
[13:42] <chrisccoulson> pitti - can i get an ACK for bug 758895? :)
[13:48] <pitti> chrisccoulson: ack for what? it's just a bug fix?
[13:48] <tjaalton> hm, what have I broken since the unity menu search doesn't find anything
[13:49] <chrisccoulson> pitti - oh, i wasn't sure whether i should ask, or just go ahead and upload it :)
[13:49] <pitti> chrisccoulson: go!
[13:50] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - i had a look at the greasemonkey menu issue yesterday (the multiple separators)
[13:50] <chrisccoulson> it looks a pain to solve with my current menu design :(
[13:50] <chrisccoulson> i might have to leave it that way for natty ;)
[13:51] <tjaalton> and super-key stops working
[13:51] <tjaalton> meh
[13:53] <pitti> tjaalton: as a first measure, try unity --reset ?
[13:54] <pitti> it seems there's still a lot of churn - for me, tiling broke again
[13:56] <pitti> chrisccoulson: would you mind having a quick look at http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-desktop-team.html#chrisccoulson ?
[13:56] <pitti> chrisccoulson: "Figure out how to provide system-wide settings in /etc in the new world" seems we should postpone this or just drop? (I remember that you said that it's not really supposed to work that way)
[13:57] <chrisccoulson> pitti - i can guess we can close that one as DONE. i've already figured it out, i just haven't implemented it yet ;)
[13:57] <pitti> heh, it says "figure out", so fine :)
[13:57] <chrisccoulson> the mozilla-devscripts one can be postponed
[13:58] <chrisccoulson> and i guess i should probably fix webfav
[13:58] <pitti> was about to ask, is that actually necessary?
[13:58] <chrisccoulson> probably not, now we got rid of most of our extensions
[13:58] <pitti> we just ship packaged extensions for e. g. langpacks, which seems fine?
[13:58] <pitti> chrisccoulson: so feel free to switch to DROPED
[13:58] <pitti> DROPPED, too
[13:58] <chrisccoulson> does anyone actually use webfav?
[13:59] <chrisccoulson> nobody reported a bug about it not working
[13:59] <pitti> we used to in the past on netbook
[13:59] <pitti> -- natty/main armel deps on webfav:
[13:59] <pitti> ubuntu-netbook
[13:59] <pitti> -- natty/universe amd64 deps on webfav:
[13:59] <chrisccoulson> tbh, i've not been tracking extensions that much this cycle (they aren't on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Natty/Firefox4/XULRunner20Transition)
[13:59] <pitti> netbook-launcher-efl
[13:59] <pitti> that's it
[14:00] <pitti> I'm looking at http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-desktop-team.html#mozillateam now
[14:00] <pitti> and wonder if I can just kill the ones without rdepends
[14:00] <pitti> micahg: ^
[14:01] <chrisccoulson> we can kill libgtk2-mozembed-perl
[14:01] <tjaalton> pitti: didn't help, plus now the launcher is stacked below every window :)
[14:01] <chrisccoulson> gtkmozembed has been removed from mozilla now anyway
[14:01] <chrisccoulson> which means, anything using gtkmozembed will be disappearing next cycle
[14:02] <pitti> chrisccoulson, micahg: libjavascript-perl, ubuntu-it-menu, mediatomb, libgtk2-mozembed-perl have no rdepends whatsoever, can I kill?
[14:05] <chrisccoulson> pitti - libjavascript-perl and libgtk2-mozembed-perl can definitely go
[14:05] <chrisccoulson> i'm not so sure about mediatomb. i think some people are still using that
[14:05] <chrisccoulson> and i'm not sure about ubuntu-it-menu.
[14:06] <chrisccoulson> pitti - i'd get rid of it. it's easily available from addons.mozilla.org
[14:06] <chrisccoulson> it doesn't really fit the criteria for keeping it in the archive :)
[14:07] <chrisccoulson> it's also easily discoverable from the addons-manager
[14:07] <pitti> right
[14:07] <chrisccoulson> oh, nice. i did a search for "ubuntu" in the addons manager and got this: http://www.webgapps.org/addons/askubuntu
[14:07] <chrisccoulson> jcastro ;)
[14:10] <mterry> tedg, morning!
[14:11] <pitti> chrisccoulson: actually, what's the problem with mediatomb?
[14:11] <mterry> tedg, just FYI for today's releases hopefully: https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/indicator-datetime/update-after-resume/+merge/57574 and https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/indicator-applet/global-desc-update-callback/+merge/57533
[14:11] <chrisccoulson> pitti - i don't want to make myself too unpopular ;)
[14:12] <pitti> chrisccoulson: no, I mean, I don't actually see a xulrunner 1.9.2 dep
[14:12] <chrisccoulson> pitti - oh, ok. i'm not sure why that's on the list then :)
[14:12] <tedg> mterry, Cool, definitely!
[14:13] <pitti> chrisccoulson: http://paste.ubuntu.com/594001/
[14:13] <chrisccoulson> huh, why is conkeror on there? i thought that was done already, unless someone reverted it
[14:14] <mterry> tedg, look at that second one especially, as I would imagine it would cause problems all the time, instead of the relatively rare crash, so I might have not understood something
[14:14]  * kenvandine grumbles at how long it takes for dh_girepository to run on dbusmenu
[14:14] <pitti> tuxguitar loks fine as well
[14:14] <chrisccoulson> yeah, tuxguitar was fixed with the swt-gtk change
[14:14] <mterry> kenvandine, I have a testing version of the packaging that strips out a lot of the packaging, including the gir packages for dbusmenu  :)  Runs super fast
[14:14] <kenvandine> i am sure :)
[14:15] <kenvandine> it takes much longer on dbusmenu than any of the others i build regularly
[14:15] <chrisccoulson> pitti - moonlight-plugin-mozilla is bogus (there's a recommend on xulrunner-1.9.2, but it depends on firefox)
[14:15] <chrisccoulson> that should probably be cleaned
[14:16] <chrisccoulson> mozplugger is ok. that depends on firefox | xulrunner-2.0 | xulrunner-1.9.2 (plus many others)
[14:16] <pitti> xulrunner-1.9.2 <- libjdic-java <- paros (only user of libjdic-java)
[14:17] <pitti> libgtk-mozembed-ruby1.8 is real, though
[14:17] <pitti> libgtk-mozembed-ruby1.8 has no real rdepends (just the libgtk-mozembed-ruby metapackage)
[14:17] <pitti> so in theory we could just drop this entirely, or at least ignore for natty
[14:18] <pitti> chrisccoulson: want me to do a mozplugger upload with dropping the recommends?
[14:18] <chrisccoulson> pitti - from popcon "34884 paros                            308    13   248     8    39 (Unknown)"
[14:18] <chrisccoulson> i'd probably just drop that ;)
[14:19] <pitti> fine for me
[14:19] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, feel free to do a mozplugger upload to drop the recommends
[14:19] <chrisccoulson> i can do a moonlight upload to drop the recommend there too
[14:19] <pitti> chrisccoulson: sorry, mozplugger is fine
[14:19] <pitti> no recommends
[14:19] <pitti> just alternative depends
[14:19] <chrisccoulson> ah, yes
[14:20] <pitti> chrisccoulson: also a non-default recommends, so no worries
[14:20] <chrisccoulson> conkeror is also ok - those are alternative depends too
[14:21] <pitti> the wrong way around, but yeah
[14:21] <pitti> (it should depend one the latest one first)
[14:22] <chrisccoulson> pitti - oh, i need to fix that then
[14:22] <chrisccoulson> conkeror users should be installing the latest version
[14:23] <pitti> chrisccoulson: so by and large it's eclipse now, right?
[14:23] <rickspencer3> hello all
[14:23] <pitti> chrisccoulson: webfav doesn't depend on xulrunner -- is the problem that it doesn't work with ffox 4.0?
[14:23] <pitti> hey rickspencer3
[14:24] <chrisccoulson> pitti, right
[14:24] <chrisccoulson> it probably just needs maxVersion changing, it's quite a simple extension
[14:24] <didrocks> hey rickspencer3
[14:24] <rickspencer3> hey didrocks
[14:25] <rickspencer3> pitti I hear there were some hickups overnight with building a couple of ISOs?
[14:25] <seb128> hey rickspencer3
[14:25] <pitti> rickspencer3: yes, the DC pretty much broke down due to some hw failures, so building the latest images got delayed quite much; but all fine now
[14:25] <rickspencer3> heya seb128
[14:25] <rickspencer3> pitti thanks man
[14:26] <rickspencer3> what's the word on the street regarding beta 2?
[14:26] <pitti> nothing OMG any more, AFAICS
[14:26] <kenvandine> :)
[14:26] <kenvandine> looking pretty good to me
[14:27] <pitti> chrisccoulson: want me to fix conceror, and you look into webfav?
[14:27] <chrisccoulson> pitti - sure, can do
[14:27] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[14:30] <pitti> chrisccoulson: uploaded, I'll send the fix to Debian
[14:30] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[14:39] <chrisccoulson> pitti - webfav tested and uploaded
[14:40] <chrisccoulson> oh, assuming i can upload that :/
[14:41] <chrisccoulson> oh, i can. that's ok
[14:41] <chrisccoulson> "Archive Upload Rights for ubuntu-mozilla-uploaders: archive 'primary', package set 'mozilla' in natty" \o/
[14:43] <chrisccoulson> i'd like to get bug 709125 fixed :)
[14:45] <pitti> chrisccoulson: splendi!
[14:46] <pitti> ... d
[14:46] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[14:49] <seb128> bah
[14:49] <edwardc> pitti: happy birthday ! # just got notification from skype ;)
[14:49] <chrisccoulson> wtf - on the firefox-4 blueprint, someone has requested feedback from me "I am a user, have Linux on 3 computers in daily use, I find some of the changes in Firefox not convenient,in particular the location of the tab bar, it is more difficult to useand not at all logical. Also the date and time app has lost it's temperature setting..."
[14:49] <pitti> edwardc: oh, thanks :)
[14:49] <seb128> natty on the 10v ssd starts is 29:78
[14:49] <seb128> it was like 15 seconds in lucid
[14:49] <pitti> seb128: it's hilarious, isn't it?
[14:49] <pitti> seb128: we had it down to 10.3 in the best case..
[14:49] <chrisccoulson> asking for help on a blueprint is strange enough, but what on earth is the last sentence about? it seems a bt random
[14:50] <seb128> pitti, right, for some definition of "hilarious"
[14:50] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - lucky you. i can go and make a coffee whilst my laptop boots in natty
[14:50] <seb128> chrisccoulson, it's about indicator-datetime not doing what the GNOME clock was doing ;-)
[14:50] <chrisccoulson> it seems that startup time on rotary disks has regressed quite significantly :(
[14:50] <chrisccoulson> it's slower than it has ever been ;)
[14:51] <seb128> well not only rotary
[14:51] <seb128> like it's twice slower on the 10v ssd
[14:51] <chrisccoulson> that's pretty bad
[14:51] <kenvandine> humm... smoking fast on this thinkpad
[14:51] <seb128> it's start to gdm in 10s and desktop in 20 seconds
[14:51] <seb128> we were down to like 6 seconds
[14:52] <chrisccoulson> yeah, desktop start is the real killer for me too
[14:53] <seb128> bah, I don't like the u1 indicator integration
[14:53] <seb128> like when enabling my account on a new install I get 3 system user lines in the indicator
[14:53] <seb128> which don't really make sense
[14:55] <mterry> chrisccoulson, If a debian package has "Depends: iceweasel | firefox | abrowser", do we change that in Ubuntu to anything?
[14:55] <pitti> didrocks: "Remerge the Quickly template with new API" -- can we safely consider this "postponed"?
[14:55] <pitti> mterry: not necessary to have a delta for it, as we don't have an iceweasel package
[14:56] <chrisccoulson> mterry, no, there's no need to change anything there
[14:56] <seb128> kenvandine, bug #760680, have fun
[14:56] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, the template is even not in ubuntu and we now have python places support, so it will be even better!
[14:56] <mterry> pitti, chrisccoulson: that's what I thought, cool
[14:56] <chrisccoulson> mterry, which package is it?
[14:56] <mterry> chrisccoulson, pytrainer, some sport training app in universe
[14:56] <pitti> didrocks: sorry, does that mean "postpone" or not?
[14:56] <chrisccoulson> mterry, oh. that's doomed anyway
[14:57] <mterry> chrisccoulson, ?
[14:57] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, postpone, can do that once natty is released
[14:57] <chrisccoulson> mterry, it's using gtkmozembed, which is now dead
[14:57] <chrisccoulson> (it's been dropped from mozilla entirely)
[14:57] <kenvandine> seb128, oh joy
[14:57] <kenvandine> ok
[14:57] <mterry> chrisccoulson, ah, right.  :-/  well, I can fix it for natty at least
[14:58] <mterry> (it's currently not launching on startup)
[14:58] <seb128> kenvandine, https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/indicator-applet/+export
[14:58] <pitti> didrocks: mind if I steal bug 595008  from you?
[14:58] <seb128> kenvandine, let me spare you searching for the url ;-)
[14:58] <kenvandine> :)
[14:58] <pitti> didrocks: (in oneiric I'd like to merge with Debian and add dh_translations to it)
[14:58] <seb128> kenvandine, oh, it was in the bug... anyway ;-)
[14:58] <pitti> didrocks: and also update our cdbs rules to use dh_translations
[14:58] <kenvandine> yup :)
[14:58] <didrocks> pitti: well, you did the work, so it's more than fair :)
[14:59] <pitti> didrocks: all of this pretty much belongs together
[14:59] <kenvandine> seb128, need to figure out how to build the package with them...
[14:59] <pitti> didrocks: this bug/WI is different from "write dh_translations", but related of course
[14:59] <chrisccoulson> mterry, http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/2038ba37a2e8 ;)
[14:59] <seb128> kenvandine, get ted to import them in trunk and roll a tarball?
[14:59] <kenvandine> that sounds easy
[14:59] <kenvandine> :-D
[14:59] <seb128> ;-)
[14:59] <kenvandine> tedg_, ^^
[14:59] <mterry> chrisccoulson, yeah, I remember hearing about it.  Just didn't notice this guy was using it
[15:00] <didrocks> pitti: sure, but you did the hard part, so do not hesitate to pick this one :)
[15:00] <pitti> didrocks: ok
[15:00] <chrisccoulson> mterry, there's not much in the archive using it. the other thing is chmsee, but that is already buildable with webkit too
[15:00] <seb128> tedg_, kenvandine: you might need a LINGUAS file in the po dir which list the po available as well
[15:00] <chrisccoulson> which is good, because i use chmsee :)
[15:00] <mterry> heh
[15:07] <pitti> seb128: I think your WI on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/packageselection-desktop-n-improve-photo-printing is probably done or obsolete or so; do you have a current status for this?
[15:08] <seb128> pitti, it's still somewhat on my list but I didn't found anybody who cared or had a clue to reply
[15:08] <seb128> pitti, so postponed I guess
[15:08] <pitti> seb128: ack, tahnks
[15:23] <rodrigo_> lucazade, around?
[15:24] <dpm> Sweetshark, do you think you'll have the chance to look at bug 725746 after the beta? Do you need more info on the report?
[15:25] <lucazade> rodrigo_ yes
[15:26] <rodrigo_> lucazade, have time for some gdb fun?
[15:26] <rodrigo_> lucazade, I think I know what the fix is (building a package for you to test), but if I could get confirmation from gdb, that would be great
[15:26] <lucazade> ok.. you have to guide me
[15:26] <rodrigo_> lucazade, yes
[15:27] <rodrigo_> lucazade, ok, so log out, and on a vt -> gdb /usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon/gnome-settings-daemon $pid_of_gdm_gsd
[15:27] <rodrigo_> lucazade, then (gdb) set logging on
[15:27] <rodrigo_> (gdb) c
[15:28] <rodrigo_> and then log in and inmediately switch back to the vt and CTRL-C + (gdb) thread apply all bt
[15:28] <rodrigo_> lucazade, then just send me the gdb.txt file you will get on the dir where you run gdb
[15:28] <rodrigo_> s/send me/pastebin
[15:29] <lucazade> ok I'll try
[15:29] <rodrigo_> ok thanks
[15:29] <lucazade> I've to switch back to vt as soon as panels appear?
[15:30] <rodrigo_> lucazade, as soon as you can, so once you press ENTER on gdm login screen, switch to the vt
[15:30] <lucazade> rodrigo_ ok
[15:31] <rodrigo_> lucazade, it took a few seconds for the gdm's gsd to die, right?
[15:31] <lucazade> maybe 10sec
[15:31] <rodrigo_> ok
[15:32] <rodrigo_> lucazade, then no need to be superfast, but yes, switch asap
[15:34] <lucazade> after thread apply all bt?
[15:34] <lucazade> ctrl+c?
[15:34] <rodrigo_> lucazade, no, before
[15:34] <lucazade> gdb is still running
[15:34] <rodrigo_> when you switch to the vt, you get gdb running
[15:34] <rodrigo_> so CTRL-C to get to the prompt
[15:35] <lucazade> done
[15:35] <rodrigo_> and then ¡thread apply all bt' on the prompt
[15:35] <rodrigo_> 'thread apply all bt', sorry
[15:35] <lucazade> yep.. and I still have gdb prompt
[15:36] <lucazade> should I exit to get log
[15:36] <lucazade> ?
[15:36] <rodrigo_> yes, after some output, right?
[15:36] <rodrigo_> just press 'c'  to let it finish
[15:36] <rodrigo_> and then 'q' to quit gdb and yes, get the log
[15:38] <lucazade> no output.. infact  gdb.log is empty..."the program is not being run."
[15:38] <rodrigo_> gdb.txt
[15:38] <rodrigo_> oh, empty?
[15:38] <lucazade> yes, i meant gdb.txt
[15:39] <rodrigo_> no other files there?
[15:39] <lucazade> no
[15:39] <rodrigo_> hmm
[15:40] <rodrigo_> lucazade, you did the 'set logging on' right?
[15:40] <lucazade> rodrigo_ yes
[15:41] <rodrigo_> and no output at all when you entered 'thread apply all bt' ?
[15:41] <lucazade> no
[15:41] <lucazade> when I start gdb i get this
[15:41] <lucazade> http://i.imgur.com/U8qVn.jpg
[15:42] <rodrigo_> lucazade, ah, right, you need to run it with sudo gdb ...
[15:42] <lucazade> :)
[15:42] <rodrigo_> default in ubuntu is to not allow users to use gdb
[15:42] <rodrigo_> lucazade, so, can you repeat, please?
[15:43] <lucazade> rodrigo_ yes
[15:43] <rodrigo_> lucazade, ok, so on the vt: sudo gdb /usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon/gnome-settings-daemon
[15:43] <rodrigo_> (gdb) set logging on
[15:43] <rodrigo_> (gdb) c
[15:43] <rodrigo_> then log in and switch back and: CTRL-C and 'thread apply all bt' on the (gdb) prompt
[15:44] <lucazade> and q?
[15:44] <rodrigo_> after 'thread apply...' -> 'q', yes
[15:45] <rodrigo_> lucazade, you're italian? :)
[15:45] <lucazade> yes
[15:45] <rodrigo_> where from?
[15:45] <lucazade> roma
[15:45] <lucazade> this time I saw the output in gdb
[15:45] <rodrigo_> cool, that's ok then
[15:45] <lucazade> but has not been written to txt
[15:45] <rodrigo_> hmm
[15:46] <rodrigo_> lucazade, ah, probably it's in /root/ because you ran it as sudo
[15:46] <lucazade> "the program is not being run. Countinuing. [thread 0xb74dbb70 (LWP 1880) exited] program exited normally. quit
[15:47] <lucazade> this is gdb.txt
[15:47] <rodrigo_> that's all?
[15:47] <lucazade> yep
[15:47] <rodrigo_> oh, are you running the gsd you built with the patches disabled?
[15:47] <lucazade> yes
[15:47] <lucazade> only 6 disabled
[15:47] <rodrigo_> ok, that's it then, you need to re-enable #6
[15:47] <rodrigo_> or wait for my package to build in the ppa
[15:48] <lucazade> this is why I don't gather the log?
[15:48] <rodrigo_> thus we can test if the fix does it
[15:48] <rodrigo_> lucazade, that's why when you get to gdb prompt the program is done, since there is no bug with that patch disabled
[15:48] <lucazade> :)
[15:48] <lucazade> obviously
[15:48] <rodrigo_> yeah :)
[15:49] <lucazade> is your package in building?
[15:49] <rodrigo_> yes, but I can push my branch, if you want to build locally
[15:50] <rodrigo_> i386 is almost done on my ppa, if you use that
[15:50] <lucazade> ok.. give me a link
[15:50] <rodrigo_> to the branch?
[15:51] <lucazade> to ppa
[15:51] <rodrigo_> right, and it's now built, so https://launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/+archive/ppa
[15:51] <rodrigo_> that is -> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/rodrigo-moya/ppa/ubuntu natty main
[15:52] <rodrigo_> it's got 2.32.1-0ubuntu15
[15:52] <lucazade> ok thanks
[15:52] <rodrigo_> lucazade, please do the gdb thing again if possible, just in case the fix is not good, so that we can get the gdb stuff
[15:53] <lucazade> rodrigo_ ok understood
[15:56] <rodrigo_> lucazade, https://launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/+archive/ppa/+files/gnome-settings-daemon_2.32.1-0ubuntu15_i386.deb if you want to just download it instead of adding the ppa and apt-get update
[15:56] <lucazade> ugh... not fixed
[15:57] <rodrigo_> :(
[15:57] <rodrigo_> and what does gdb says?
[15:57] <lucazade> gdb
[15:57] <lucazade> trying
[15:57] <rodrigo_> ok
[16:01] <lucazade> rodrigo_
[16:01] <lucazade> http://paste.ubuntu.com/594064/
[16:02] <rodrigo_> lucazade, ok, so it's in the spot I thought (xrandr plugin) but not in the exact one
[16:03] <rodrigo_> lucazade, looking for a better fix, mille grazie again
[16:03] <lucazade> no problem
[16:05] <rodrigo_> it's gconf blocking it seems :(
[16:15] <mterry> tedg_, when were you planning on doing a dbusmenu release?
[16:18] <tedg_> mterry, I was just getting started on it... do you have a patch planned?
[16:18] <tedg_> mterry, No API changes, so I can do things in any order.
[16:18] <mterry> tedg_, I feel kinda close to that xemacs fix...  I'll know more in a bit
[16:18]  * tedg_ usually starts from the bottom of the stack and works up -- just an FYI
[16:19] <tedg_> mterry, Cool, I'll do it last then.
[16:19] <mterry> tedg_, it also may be indicator-appmenu, FYI
[16:19] <tedg_> both :-)
[16:19] <mterry> tedg_, if I don't get it, we might want to consider blacklisting it?
[16:21] <tedg_> mterry, Okay.
[16:26] <rodrigo_> lucazade, only thing I can find is a memory leak, which I'm not sure it would fix the problem, so can you build my branch and run it (no gdb)?
[16:27] <rodrigo_> lucazade, bzr get lp:~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/natty/gnome-settings-daemon/really-fix-649809
[16:27] <lucazade> rodrigo_ ok going to try
[16:27] <rodrigo_> lucazade, ok thanks
[16:28] <seb128> rodrigo_, why would indicator call hang?
[16:28] <rodrigo_> seb128, it doesn't it seems
[16:29] <rodrigo_> I thought app_indicator_set_status did some more work than expected, but that wasn't the problem
[16:29] <rodrigo_> now the memory leak is on gnome_rr_config, from gnome-desktop
[16:29] <rodrigo_> which has some gconf stuff, so maybe that's the issue, since we are leaking it in the patch
[16:30] <lucazade> rodrigo_ don't know if this help: I've tried to remove all indicator from panel but the problem persist
[16:30] <seb128> rodrigo_, oh ok
[16:30] <rodrigo_> lucazade, that won't help, since the indicator stuff is still used, even if you don't have the applet in the panel
[16:30] <lucazade> ok
[16:30] <rodrigo_> we should really check at runtime if there are indicators or not, but I guess that's not the problem here
[16:31] <rodrigo_> or everyone would see the problem
[16:31] <rodrigo_> as gdm doesn't have the indicator applet
[16:32] <rodrigo_> and I haven't been able to see the problem, not only once after 100s of tries
[16:32] <lucazade> strange, is always reproducible on different machines here
[16:33] <lucazade> building..
[16:35] <chrisccoulson> why-oh-why is mimetype handling in firefox such a mess
[16:35] <lucazade> rodrigo_ if I use autologin issue is not present
[16:35] <rodrigo_> lucazade, right, no gdm's gsd in that case
[16:37] <seb128> lucazade, do you set anything non standard on your boxes?
[16:37] <seb128> I never got it in any boxes there
[16:38] <lucazade> removed ubuntuone and some other things, nothing strange... ubuntu software center also
[16:38] <seb128> some other users mentioned not having ubuntuone either but I fail to see how that could be due to it
[16:39] <lucazade> already tried reinstalling ubuntuone
[16:40] <micahg> pitti: good morning, mediatomb, I'm switching to mozjs185, libjdic-java if paros is unused, then drop both
[16:41] <pitti> hey micahg
[16:41] <pitti> micahg: hm, I didn't see anything related to xulrunner in mediatomb
[16:42] <micahg> pitti: we disabled javascript in lucid which was what made it a xul rdepend, but now that we have mozjs, we can reenable it
[16:44] <lucazade> rodrigo_ tried your branch.. no luck
[16:44] <rodrigo_> :(
[16:51] <mterry> tedg_, ok, figured it out.  it's in dbusmenu, will work on a patch
[16:54] <tedg_> mterry, Woot!
[16:55] <dpm> tedg_, mterry, all set for your appdeveloper week sessions later on?
[16:56] <mterry> dpm, yeah
[16:56] <tedg_> dpm, I've changed the topic.  Can I talk about flower aranging?  ;-)
[16:56] <dpm> tedg_, only if you do a videocast :)
[16:56] <tedg_> "Zen of developing software through appropriately placed flowers"
[16:56] <dpm> mterry, awesome
[17:07] <micahg> pitti: BTW, I have gnome-web-photo, just having a little trouble w/DEP-5 in the copyright file, will try to finish it tonight
[17:07] <jcastro> rodrigo_: have those guys submitted any fixes to the gnome 3 stuff yet?
[17:08] <rodrigo_> jcastro, no, I had a merge proposal from jbicha, but he's not from that team
[17:11] <jcastro> rodrigo_: I'll send a follow up
[17:11] <rodrigo_> jcastro, ok
[17:35] <mterry> tedg_, what's your deadline?  I've got it half fixed, but now turns out something else is wrong with how emacs works.  I have a classroom to run in a half hour
[17:38] <tedg_> mterry, I don't specifically have one yet,  kenvandine?
[17:44] <seb128> mterry, well just distro patch the fix tomorrow?
[17:44] <seb128> mterry, it would gave you time for testing without blocking anything
[17:44] <seb128> we don't need every fix to be in today tarball
[17:44] <mterry> ok
[17:44] <mterry> i thought today's was a more lenient push than future.  not that it isn't still a bug
[17:45] <seb128> mterry, well no hurry as well
[17:45] <seb128> I'm just pointing it that backporting a revision as a distro patch tomorrow is an option
[17:46] <seb128> but getting in today upload is fine as well ;-)
[17:59] <Sweetshark> launchpad says unity 3.8.8 was released 22 minutes ago. Does it fix bug 732412? There is no change to the bug yet although it is assigned to the milestone.
[18:01] <seb128> no it doesn't
[18:01] <seb128> DBO, ^
[18:04] <Sweetshark> yikes
[18:05] <Sweetshark> should I work around it by not shipping the "Small Device Format Importer" desktop file? LO still has one release ...
[18:07] <seb128> Sweetshark, it's basically your call, I would not bother
[18:07] <seb128> but for the record I don't see this bug on a stack beta2 install done today
[18:07] <seb128> libreoffice-writer is on the default launcher and starting it matches the icon
[18:08] <seb128> running it from the application place as well
[18:09] <seb128> if the binary which makes it bug is not installed by default it seems somewhat low priority and easier to fix later in an unity upload
[18:21] <kenvandine> tedg_, no big rush
[18:51] <mterry> tedg_, I'm less enthusiastic about fixing this short term.  Maybe let's plan for a distro-patch or blacklisting
[18:52] <mterry> tedg_, the basic problem is that emacs is adding new submenus that are empty (I fixed a bug here where we didn't watch such menus for new items).  But having fixed that, emacs never seems to add more items and my attempts to force it haven't quite worked.  So I need to do some deeper digging
[18:57] <tedg_> mterry, Hmm, okay.  Fixing the empty items is good though.
[18:57] <tedg_> mterry, I'm sure someone else does that.
[18:57] <mterry> tedg_, it's actually a bit worse than that.  I don't believe we watch any submenus added in after the fact
[19:03] <tedg_> mterry, Hmm... yeah, that is worse.
[19:06] <jbicha> I got gnome-session 3 to work with the Ubuntu session but I'm having trouble with Ubuntu Classic
[19:07] <jbicha> I can get either gnome-panel or compiz to start, but not both
[19:11] <bcurtiswx> jbicha, any issues with empathy other than it not working with the me-menu yet
[19:12] <jbicha> bcurtiswx: I don't really use empathy since it doesn't do IRC that well & I don't have need for other protocols these days
[19:13] <bcurtiswx> jbicha, OK.  np.  if you get a change to play around tho, please do and lemme knwo of any issues
[19:13] <bcurtiswx> chance*
[19:25] <Sweetshark> pitti: ping?
[19:26] <pitti> Sweetshark: (on the phone)
[20:48] <mik3> hi all
[20:49] <mik3> all?
[20:53] <pitti> kenvandine: hey Ken
[20:53] <kenvandine> hey pitti
[20:53] <pitti> kenvandine: would you be able to sit in tomorrow's release team meeting?
[20:53] <pitti> kenvandine: it will probably be a very quick one
[20:53] <kenvandine> pitti, sure
[20:53] <pitti> kenvandine: but I'll be in a train tomorrow, with poor or absent connectivity
[20:53] <pitti> kenvandine: thanks; I'll try to update the wiki page in the morning
[20:53] <kenvandine> great
[20:53] <pitti> (still busy doing b2 stuff)
[20:54] <kenvandine> pitti, 1500 UTC?
[20:55] <pitti> yes
[20:55] <kenvandine> ok
[21:07] <chrisccoulson> pitti - i postponed 2 of the remaining WI's on the firefox-4 blueprint now
[21:08] <chrisccoulson> (the eclipse one and the translation one)
[21:08] <chrisccoulson> we're not goint to get eclipse done, and we'll fix translations next cycle anyway
[21:08] <chrisccoulson> **going
[21:08] <pitti> chrisccoulson: ok, thanks
[21:09]  * micahg would like to disable the internal browser in eclipse which would solve the problem
[21:11]  * pitti yays the software-center upload, tackling 3 RC bugs
[21:11] <pitti> tremolux: bug 723911 also has an aptdaemon task, that's also still RC?
[21:12] <pitti> kenvandine: I updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus
[21:12] <pitti> kenvandine: might get some more bug fixes by tomorrow, of course
[21:12] <kenvandine> pitti, thx
[21:12] <pitti> kenvandine: but I guess it'll only be a quick meeting tomorrow anyway
[21:12]  * pitti waves good night, have to get up at 6
[21:12] <kenvandine> good night pitti
[21:13] <pitti> chrisccoulson, kenvandine: in case someone asks, I'll be mostly offline tomorrow, I by and large spend the day in a train
[21:13] <chrisccoulson> good night pitti
[21:18] <didrocks> good night pitti
[21:33]  * didrocks waves good night as well
[21:33] <kenvandine> good night didrocks
[21:33] <didrocks> good evening kenvandine!
[21:37] <kenvandine> hey ronoc
[22:16] <sweeze> gnome3 ppa question:  noticed that LANG and GDM_LANG are no longer getting set upon login from GDM.  temporarily placed "export LANG="en_US.UTF-8"" in /etc/profile, but seems like that shouldn't be the right place to set it?  (no more lang chooser in gdm greeter looks like?)
[23:28] <rickspencer3> pitti was beta 2 like a birthday present you gave yourself?


[01:16] <ScottL> stochastic, you have done some really good stuff with the tasks and workflows
[01:18] <ScottL> do you think that you could work up your alternate to zettberlin's movie soundtrack task soon?
[01:18] <ScottL> i am anxious to wrap up the seeds in the next week to allow time for testing/fixing before the first alpha
[06:22] <stochastic> ScottL, I simply don't have time within the next week to think about touching that page, maybe in a week or two I could get more edits in.
[06:26] <stochastic> ScottL, since your first announcement to list that those workflows would be dictating Natty's meta packages, was only seven days ago, I'd highly advise you to take more time to gather input from the community before solidifying new meta package plans
[06:28] <stochastic> There are a LOT of workflows that need to still be added to that page to encompass what Ubuntu Studio is about.
[07:09] <persia> It's probably safe to have a graduated rollout.  Have a first revision of the changes to the new model based on what is currently available, and then adjust/revise/add as more is learned.
[14:30] <ScottL> stochastic, you are absolutely correct, i am fortunate and grateful for you advice :)
[14:31] <ScottL> i have been thinking about tasks and workflows for quite a while, therefore the time between my email and now seemed much long :P
[14:31] <ScottL>
[14:32] <ScottL> i am curious about which types of workflows you feel are still needed, i had considered it more or less complete except for some small odds and ends
[14:32] <ScottL> this could be a good educational lesson on perspective for me
[14:32] <ScottL>
[14:34] <ScottL> persia, good idea, my goal will be to push the seeds this weekend for your (and/or luke's) review
[14:35] <ScottL> then i'll see about ./update the meta


[01:16] <akgraner> The new edition of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter is now available here:
[01:16] <akgraner> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue190
[01:45] <nhandler> Thanks akgraner
[01:45] <nhandler> akgraner: Think we can change the note about translations? It isn't really a "new way" any more imo
[01:46] <akgraner> nope it's not :-)
[01:46] <akgraner> but there is going to be a lot more changes
[01:46] <akgraner> in the template this week
[01:46] <nhandler> :)
[02:16] <greg-g> yo, thanks for catching my copy/paste error from the membership board for the america's email :)
[02:21]  * nhandler wishes there was some way for his email client to catch those mistakes
[04:41] <akgraner> johnc4510,  pls review for me :-) http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/2025
[04:41] <johnc4510> kk
[04:42] <johnc4510> akgraner: looks good, go ahead and post it please
[04:42] <johnc4510> :
[04:42] <johnc4510> :)
[04:43] <akgraner> thanks will do


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[21:13] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Honestly, oski146 is becoming a help vampire in multiple channels. Don't spend too much energy.
[21:18] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: yeah, getting answers to basic questions is hard. It is obvious many of the words I used were not understood.
[21:18] <RikMills> new haruna releases. test building now
[21:18] <Eickmeyer> RikMills: Thanks!
[21:18] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Yeah, they were cross-posting in multiple channels.
[21:19] <Eickmeyer> I was about to hit them with !patience.
[21:20] <Eickmeyer> RikMills: tangentally-related, k3b was good, no .iso build failures.
[21:22] <RikMills> :)
[21:24] <RikMills> haruna changelog for 0.10.x https://apps.kde.org/en-gb/haruna/
[21:24] <RikMills> build ok with no new build deps
[21:24] <RikMills> I'll put it in a ppa somewhere
[21:25] <RikMills> it is part of the Qt transition in proposed, so may not do an archive upload yet
[21:25] <Eickmeyer> Looks like it's still using yt-dlp | youtube-dl
[21:27] <RikMills> No sure I see that changing
[21:28] <RikMills> build in ppa for anyone to test: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-misc
[21:28] <Eickmeyer> RikMills: Thanks!
[21:28] <RikMills> changed the PPA deps to just release pocket, so it should not depend on the Qt in proposed
[21:29] <Eickmeyer> Cool, that should help with at least giving it a look-see.
[21:30] <RikMills> it also builds ok against proposed, FYI :)
[21:30] <Eickmeyer> Oh, that's good.