[00:00] <_ZeuZ_> Because: it's one hell of a bitacoured filesystem
[00:00] <_ZeuZ_> secure, and fast
[00:00] <DexterF> got some update trouble. some fglrx packages messed with libGl, now on upgrading aptitude complains it can't overwrite /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2
[00:00] <_ZeuZ_> also,easily critable
[00:00] <_ZeuZ_> either way, it's my FS of choice
[00:00] <_ZeuZ_> Crap, the keyboard map on that system got dislocated... how can I get it back to normal?
[00:00] <raket> okay, so tried it, and I don't see anything special (yet!) in kde4... how can I revert the changes?
[00:00] <flaccid> meh
[00:01] <_ZeuZ_> x'D
[00:01] <intelikey> :)
[00:02] <raket> i *could* just reinstall kubuntu, since this is a fresh install...
[00:02] <intelikey> :)
[00:02] <Fujisan> comrad stdin
[00:02] <flaccid> raket: whats the problem sorry
[00:02] <Fujisan> i love you
[00:03] <stdin> Fujisan: I advise you to stay on topic in here too
[00:03] <DexterF> can anyone make something of this?  http://pastebin.ca/1009869
[00:03] <Fujisan> kthnx i value your advise
[00:03] <raket> there isn't any problem, I was just trying it
[00:03] <Fujisan> stdin
[00:04] <flaccid> raket: what do you want to rever sorry?
[00:04] <raket> oh, I upgraded to kde4
[00:04] <intelikey> DexterF i could print it and make a paper airplain...
[00:04] <DexterF> intelikey: ...
[00:04] <flaccid> raket: do you need the diskspace?
[00:05] <raket> why do you ask... I might
[00:05] <raket> need it
[00:05] <flaccid> no need to remove unless you need the diskspace. remove kde4-core if you need t but
[00:05] <raket> how much is it?
[00:06] <flaccid> dunno
[00:06] <Fujisan> is there a channel esp. for kde4
[00:06] <intelikey> DexterF you could "force-upgrade" the package
[00:06] <flaccid> Fujisan: see topic
[00:06] <Fujisan> i just started a new project
[00:07] <flaccid> DexterF: remove the cdrom source and fetch updates then try again - same problem?
[00:07] <raket> flaccid: I know I can just go back to kde3, but when I log in into it, I receive some errors about things missing
[00:07] <DexterF> flaccid: checking...
[00:07] <intelikey> DexterF   sudo dpkg -i --force-upgrade /cdrom//pool/main/m/mesa/libgl1-mesa-glx_7.0.3~rc2-1ubuntu3_i386.deb       you might check the man page on dpkg first.    follow that with sudo apt-get install -f   and you should be good to go
[00:07] <DexterF> intelikey: force how? man page says zilch
[00:07] <DexterF> ah...
[00:09] <intelikey> !removekde
[00:09] <flaccid> raket: what errors
[00:09] <DexterF> flaccid: hm.. fetches another 600MB now... well see what happens...
[00:09] <intelikey> remove all kde* and install kubuntu-desktop
[00:09] <raket> well hold on, I'll log into it and I'll tell you
[00:10] <flaccid> cool
[00:10] <raket> intelikey: is that for me?
[00:10] <intelikey> if you want to go that route  yes.
[00:10] <intelikey> i like to offer alternative ways to achive the desired end.
[00:10] <DexterF> intelikey: I think even if your line helps this will happen again on every libGL update. I made fglrx debs myself and something must have gone wrong when uninstalling them with dpkg-divert.
[00:11] <flaccid> raket: you don't know why the errors are there nor if kde4 created them..
[00:11] <raket> flaccid: i think kde4 removed some of the starting programs
[00:11] <flaccid> starting programs?
[00:12] <raket> well, I am speculating here, I am still new
[00:12] <flaccid> kde4 doesn't remove programs..
[00:12] <intelikey> DexterF hmmm ok.    so you think it's your package that is causing that ?     dubble check the pre/post\//inst/rr scripts in your package...
[00:12] <flaccid> yeah speculation is not good for a newbie
[00:12] <raket> at least I am telling you that I did. :)
[00:12] <flaccid> hehe
[00:13] <intelikey> speculation is always good, as long as it is treeted as such.   it expands horizions of thought.
[00:13] <DexterF> intelikey: "my" package isn't exactly right. the ati fglrx installer comes with command line switches to build distro specific packages. amongst them kubuntu. so ati fscked up. as usual.
[00:13] <flaccid> i tend to differ
[00:14] <intelikey> DexterF understood.
[00:14] <DexterF> intelikey: still have those debs tho - where do I find the rr scripts usually?
[00:15] <intelikey> /var/lib/dpkg/info/*  ???
[00:16] <DexterF> intelikey: thanks
[00:16] <intelikey> welcome
[00:18] <jay_> anybody running kubuntu on a dell laptop?
[00:18] <intelikey> wow i have 7500 files in there.
[00:18] <Plummet> ok, how do stop kubuntu from starting all the programs i had open when i turned off the computer
[00:19] <raket> okay... here's the error window I get "Error - KDE Par..." Malformed URL    system:/
[00:19] <intelikey> close them and turn it off the same way ?
[00:19] <Plummet> k
[00:19] <intelikey> Plummet or set kde to start with an empty session
[00:19] <linux_> Hello.
[00:19] <linux_> Can anyone help? Here is my problem: http://img406.imageshack.us/my.php?image=panelproblem1og3.png
[00:19] <raket> and "Error - KDE Par..." Malformed URL    trash:/
[00:19] <Plummet> intelikey: where is that setting?
[00:19] <raket> are these just the shortcuts?!
[00:20] <linux_> It's KDE 4.0 only.
[00:20] <flaccid> linux_: thats a bug
[00:20] <linux_> Every distro that includes KDE 4.0 has this issue.
[00:20] <intelikey> Plummet the first is case specific.  the latter is universal.    the setting is in   kcontrol  some place.
[00:20] <linux_> Yes, but how do I fix it?
[00:20] <Plummet> intelikey: thank you
[00:20] <jay_> i can't find drivers for connecting my machine to a hp 4315 on a windows computer
[00:20] <flaccid> linux_: wait
[00:20] <intelikey> Plummet welcome.
[00:20] <linux_> I'm on OpenSUSE 11.0 now.
[00:20] <raket> flaccid: any ideas?
[00:20] <flaccid> linux_: this ks kubuntu support
[00:21] <linux_> flaccid, if you use Kubuntu KDE 4.0 it has this issue. :)
[00:21] <flaccid> raket: huh?
[00:21] <flaccid> linux_: i know. its a bug.
[00:21] <linux_> OK, I just want to know a workaround.
[00:21] <xtreme_juice> does anyone know how to configure webmin?
[00:21] <flaccid> raket: thats usually a bug
[00:21] <flaccid> !webmin | xtreme_juice
[00:21] <linux_> Who gives a flying fuck if it's a bug.
[00:22] <linux_> SERIOUSLY>
[00:22] <flaccid> !language | linux_
[00:22] <linux_> I'm sorry.
[00:22] <flaccid> linux_: i care very much thank you.
[00:22] <linux_> But.. you can't just sit there and say it's a bug.
[00:22] <linux_> HELP FIX IT.
[00:22] <stdin> !caps | linux_
[00:22] <flaccid> don't shout linux
[00:22] <_ZeuZ_> any idea of a good GUI for tcng?
[00:22] <intelikey> Plummet there are also  cli  ways to achieve that end.   maybe look into deleting the files in ~/.kde/Autostart or ~/.kde/share/config/  something... saved_state  maybe.
[00:22] <linux_> If I didn't use caps you wouldn't get my point.
[00:22] <flaccid> linux_: im not a kde developer
[00:22] <linux_> I'm not asking you to be.
[00:22] <stdin> linux_: we can all read lower-case
[00:22] <flaccid> linux_: i got your point right from the start thank you
[00:23] <linux_> All I'm asking is to tell me a workaround.
[00:23] <flaccid> linux_: in order to fix it, you need to have the skillset of a kde developer
[00:23] <linux_> If you don't have one, DON'T say anything.
[00:23] <flaccid> linux_: i don't know of a workaround.
[00:23] <linux_> It's as simple as that.
[00:23] <linux_> Then DON'T say anything.
[00:23] <flaccid> linux_: lol
[00:23] <linux_> I KNOW it's a bug.
[00:23] <_ZeuZ_> linux_ what was your problem again?
[00:23] <flaccid> i can say what i want. this is freenode lol
[00:23] <flaccid> danke
[00:23] <_ZeuZ_> lol
[00:23] <stdin> if you can't say anything nice
[00:23] <_ZeuZ_> just when I was about to try to be useful...
[00:23] <intelikey> :)
[00:23] <intelikey> ^5 stdin
[00:24] <jay_> does anybody have experience setting up samba
[00:24] <flaccid> well all want bugs fixed with a snap of a finger. the real world is different.
[00:24] <stdin> now
[00:24] <flaccid> jay_: yeah
[00:24] <DexterF> intelikey: hm, seems like the postrm wasnt run when I removed the package. good thing I made backups...
[00:24] <stdin> linux_: please don't disregard the channel rules here, they are there for a reason and we enforce them
[00:25] <intelikey> DexterF k
[00:25] <stdin> linux_: if you feel you can't or don't want to follow them, you're free to part
[00:25] <DexterF> this ATi card so has to go
[00:25] <stdin> there we go then
[00:26] <flaccid> DexterF: why do you not update your system and install latest restricted driver from repos?
[00:26] <Plummet> i lost the title bar on every window..that ever happen to anyone?
[00:26] <raket> so intelikey, I like your idea of "remove all kde* and install kubuntu-desktop" but I just wanna know what am I doing with it.
[00:26] <DexterF> flaccid: because the restricted driver blows chunks like nothing blows chunks since chunk blowing began
[00:27] <flaccid> DexterF: im using it atm. whats the specific problem with it?
[00:27] <mattelacchiato> hi there
[00:28] <DexterF> unfortunately I was stupid enough recently to try and see for myself the hard way after happpily using the free driver but after all the fanboi praise on Moronix, sorry, Phoronix I thought I give it another try. now I'm facing package db mayhem.
[00:28] <Agent_bob> sorry,  i have to run.
[00:28] <flaccid> DexterF: yeah looks to me like you stuffed it up for no reason..
[00:28] <mattelacchiato> can sb. help me to use ALSA with no pulseaudio?
[00:29]  * mattelacchiato got Kubuntu 8.04, of course
[00:29] <DexterF> flaccid: well, after all it *would* be nice if I could run a game or if Google Earth ran a tad hotter. but all I got was a years old bug reintroduced in 8.4 that causes the system to stall when using 3D after a while
[00:30] <DexterF> this pulse audio - is it mandatory? all I hear so far is it is bad news
[00:30] <flaccid> DexterF: is the bug on launchpad?
[00:30] <raket> intelikey!?
[00:31] <mattelacchiato> DexterF: pulseaudio was disabled when i've installed kubuntu. but it was using single-playback-only-OSS instead
[00:32] <DexterF> flaccid: this isn't anything canonical can fix, it's a ATi-fscking-fglrx thing. I've been with ATi since fglrx 2.xy hence talking from experience.
[00:32] <mattelacchiato> so i turned pulse on, but i would prefer to use alsa without pulse
[00:32] <flaccid> im confused why all these sound systems and servers are being developed instead of making the existing ones work. ah well
[00:32] <DexterF> mattelacchiato: uh.. so its pulse or oss?
[00:33] <flaccid> DexterF: i play games a lot an d that stuff with the driver and never had that problem so im trying to understand it
[00:33] <mattelacchiato> default: it seemed to be oss
[00:34] <nimrod> i have a problem in Kubuntu 7.10...before i can play radio on streamtuner i must turn of every aplication
[00:34] <Plummet> i seem to have lost window borders, how to fix?
[00:34] <DexterF> flaccid: games like...?
[00:34] <DexterF> and on what card
[00:35] <flaccid> DexterF: nexuiz, enemy territory, ppracer etc.
[00:35] <flaccid> DexterF: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 [Mobility Radeon 9600 M10]
[00:35] <flaccid> nimrod: what is streamtuner?
[00:36] <nimrod> streamtuner is a shoutcast-radio tuner .feks
[00:36] <flaccid> nimrod: where did you insall streamtuner from?
[00:36] <nimrod> i installed it from adept
[00:36] <DexterF> flaccid: nexuiz, good example, I tried that recently. lotsa display corruption, stutters. it goes to 45fps but has a glitch every 0.5sec or so
[00:36] <DexterF> x800xt, rv420
[00:37] <flaccid> well yeah i guess you are right then - can ati in place of nvidia
[00:38] <jayman20086> kubuntu laptop can't install right driver for hp 4315 printer shared in windows
[00:39] <DexterF> after 7 years ATi I will finally. just played the PR game too long. shame, since the *hardware* is solid
[00:39] <flaccid> well ati and nvidia still have much to go to support *nix properly or at least linux. im waiting for them to support xrandr so dual displays are easy.
[00:40] <flaccid> nimrod: the project seems to have stopped. you could submit a bug on launchpad, but im thinking the problem is how streamtuner uses sound - it could be OSS and not ALSA
[00:41] <Plummet> someone take a looky at this forum forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?pid=148421 which describes my problem...they didnt find an answer
[00:41] <flaccid> streamtuner is also gtk based so it could be something to do with that. if you launch streamtuner from konsole, do you get an errors/warnings about the sound?
[00:42] <flaccid> Plummet: not the right place for help. this is kubuntu support.
[00:42] <DexterF> where does apt store the debs it gets?
[00:42] <nimrod> flaccid: ok
[00:43] <DexterF> nvm, var/cache/apt/archives
[00:43] <jayman20086> glad i can get help
[00:43] <nimrod> i haven't tried that, flaccid
[00:43] <Plummet> flaccid: i am using kubuntu and have the same problem
[00:45] <flaccid> Plummet: this is with compiz? if so there is #compiz-fusion for help
[00:45] <flaccid> !effects
[00:45] <DexterF> flaccid: ATi still hasn't even managed to get Xv on a second head working. to name one.
[00:46] <flaccid> Xv ? damn, my card is listed above...^
[00:46] <flaccid> !compiz
[00:46] <Plummet> flaccid: i am running standard kubuntu, just DLd and installed yesterday
[00:46] <flaccid> Plummet: see above
[00:47] <Plummet> flaccid: i dont have compiz.
[00:48] <flaccid> Plummet: that doesnt' make sense, because the link you posted is about compiz.
[00:50] <Plummet> flaccid: the problem they describe is identical to mine, but im running kubuntu straight out of the box (no compiz)
[00:50] <nimrod> me to
[00:50] <flaccid> Plummet: explain the problem please
[00:50] <naught101> Plummet: it might sound similar, but it's not, because you're using a different window manager...
[00:54] <wells_> any one know any french help chan ?
[00:55] <Jucato> !fr | wells_
[00:55] <wells_> tkx :)
[00:57] <xtremejuice> how do i configure ebox?
[01:03] <raket> alright folks, I was on an interesting konsole trip so bear with me... I did apt-get remove kde* to remove all kde stuff... then when I tried to apt-get install kde-desktop the system returned an error... something about dependencies...
[01:04] <raket> but I *was* able to reinstall kde-desktop using "sudo aptitude update" and "sudo apt-get aptitude install kubuntu-desktop"
[01:04] <flaccid> xtremejuice: did you try google?
[01:04] <raket> *I meant to write reinstall kubuntu-desktop
[01:05] <flaccid> !info kde-desktop
[01:05] <flaccid> no such package raket. whats the actual problem atm? if you have errors with apt, perhaps pastebin for perusal?
[01:06] <raket> flaccid: I meant to type kubuntu-desktop
[01:06] <flaccid> ah ok
[01:07] <raket> i wanted to play around, since this is fresh installation, but would a reinstall be agood idea?!
[01:07] <flaccid> i don't know what your problem is atm..
[01:07] <flaccid> and if kubunt-desktop installs ok and nothing else is stuffed up then it should work fine.
[01:07] <raket> it seems that there're no problems... but I wanted to ask just in case
[01:08] <flaccid> np. yeah the packaging system is designed with integrity in mind
[01:08] <roger__> I am looking for assistance with acpi.  My current issue is that i can get the pc to go into suspend mode but resuming it locks up the pc. I have to do a hard reboot.  I am running Kubuntu Hardy 8.04 with all updates, Nvidia proprietary drivers, a Gigabyte GA-7VAXP with a +2800 Amd Processor, Nvidia GeForce 5200 W/ Dual Monitors.  Logs show no sign of the system trying to resume from suspend mode.  Anyone know anything i can check or where
[01:08] <roger__> to look?
[01:09] <raket> flaccid: why did aptitude work anyway!?
[01:09] <flaccid> roger__: i guess the best i can offer for advice is !bugs
[01:09] <flaccid> raket: huh?
[01:10] <roger__> That's the info i keep getting.  Is acpi that buggy?
[01:10] <raket> apt-get install kde-desktop didn't work
[01:10] <raket> dammit!
[01:11] <raket> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop didn't work
[01:11] <flaccid> um i guess you can say that acpi problems or power management problems in general are frequent
[01:11] <raket> :)
[01:11] <flaccid> !info kubuntu-desktop
[01:11] <flaccid> raket: what is the actual error.
[01:11] <flaccid> . = ?
[01:11] <genii> roger__: Do you have a swap partition and if so how large is it compared to your RAM size?
[01:11] <raket> sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop did work
[01:12] <flaccid> genii: does suspend mode = suspend to ram ?
[01:12] <flaccid> raket: right so there is no problem, sweet.
[01:13] <frank23> I setup a samba share but it doesn't even show up as a share in the Remote places on the same computer
[01:13] <raket> well yes, but I was wondering what is the difference, if you know
[01:13] <raket> between hte commands
[01:13] <roger__> Yes i have a swap, 1.5g same as ram
[01:13] <flaccid> raket: between which two commands?
[01:14] <roger__> genii: yes suspend to ram
[01:14] <raket> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[01:14] <raket> sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[01:14] <raket> the first one didn't work
[01:15] <flaccid> raket: aptitude is a dif program. they do the same thing essentially.
[01:15] <flaccid> raket: the first one probably didn't work because it needs to be run under sudo
[01:15] <raket> I ran both with sudo
[01:15] <flaccid> !doesntwork | raket
[01:16] <flaccid> fyi raket we need t know the actual error to be able to pinpoint the problem
[01:16] <raket> I asked for speculation (again), since I don't have the error on my desktop anymore
[01:16] <raket> if you want to know, I can point you at a website though
[01:16] <Choreboy> Help! I'm stuck in a rickroll
[01:16] <flaccid> raket: yeah the realm of possibility is very large. not a good idea to guess in science.
[01:16] <Choreboy> how do you force quit a program?
[01:17] <Choreboy> I'm about to throw this laptop out the window
[01:17] <flaccid> Choreboy: usually using ksysguard or kill in konsole
[01:17] <Choreboy> how do you kill? I don't know much about LInux
[01:17] <sacha_> ctrl+alt+esc on some distros
[01:17] <naught101> Choreboy: ctrl+esc
[01:17] <naught101> ten find teh app and kill it
[01:17] <genii> roger__: Perhaps try adding line: SUSPEND_MODULES="ehci_hcd"                into    /etc/pm/config.d
[01:17] <sacha_> makes your mouse pointer in to skull bones
[01:17] <wesley> is kde4.0.7 already there ?
[01:18] <wesley> i mean kde4.0.4
[01:18] <stdin> wesley: no
[01:18] <naught101> otherwise, run ps -e | grep name-of-app
[01:18] <flaccid> Choreboy: kill pid (pid is the process id as per ps) or you can killall programname (eg. killall konversation)
[01:18] <Choreboy> not working. It's looping and I can't close firefox because of the popup it keeps giving
[01:18] <sacha_> kubuntu still uses 4.03 wesley
[01:18] <sacha_> Choreboy: open up a konsole and type:       killall firefox
[01:18] <flaccid> Choreboy: killall firefox
[01:18] <flaccid> or do a kill -9 pid
[01:18] <wesley> stdin do know i they release it today ?
[01:19]  * genii waits for konversation-kde4
[01:19] <Choreboy> Sweet Spaghetti Monster, you people are my heroes.
[01:19] <roger__> genii: thanks will give that a try.
[01:19]  * sacha_ waits for kaffeine-kde4, kopete-kde4
[01:19] <stdin> genii: you'll be waiting a while ;)
[01:19] <raket> one more question, how much space should I leave for Kubuntu, since I want to move my /home directory on another partition
[01:19] <stdin> wesley: possibly
[01:19]  * wesley is waiting for every kde4 update
[01:19] <genii> stdin: I suspect so as well
[01:19] <flaccid> thats the problem with kde4 - its going to be ages for everything to be ported to it
[01:20]  * sacha_ waits for knetworkmanager-kde4 which will actually be ported very soon
[01:20] <stdin> genii: I think it's planned to release with 4.2
[01:20] <flaccid> knetworkmanager won't even run on my kde4
[01:20] <Choreboy> Was the popup a script? Would NoScript block that?
[01:20] <sacha_> the kde3 version flaccid?
[01:20] <flaccid> sacha_: yeah
[01:20] <sacha_> works fine here in 8.04
[01:20] <roger__> genii: i'm confused.  I went to the file you sent me to and it is an empty directory
[01:20] <wesley> flaccid that strange it runs fine here under 8.04
[01:20] <flaccid> yeah i have a bug where most things that need systray won't load into it
[01:21] <genii> roger__: Thats fine. It just means there are no default options to it currently
[01:21] <sacha_> ouch
[01:21] <flaccid> pretty much the reason why im on kde3 atm
[01:21] <wesley> flaccid i only need like 2 kde3 apps
[01:21] <roger__> so what would i name the file i would put in here to add the new options?
[01:22] <genii> Gah, 4.2! <gets out next year's calendar>
[01:22] <sacha_> i only use 2 kde3 apps too -- konversation and kaffeine
[01:22] <sacha_> oh and knetworkmanager
[01:22] <sacha_> genii: i think 4.2 is end of year
[01:22] <genii> roger__: 1 minute I'll find the reference I got it from
[01:22] <wesley> kde4.2 is planned around christmas time
[01:22] <Daisuke_Laptop> sacha_, what year though?
[01:23] <sacha_> this year
[01:23] <flaccid> 4.2 is what we need - just a long time off unfortunately. but kudos to the devs.
[01:23] <Daisuke_Laptop> realistically?
[01:23] <sacha_> yes
[01:23] <sacha_> 6 months for 4.1->4.2 is pretty realistic
[01:23] <AndreSantos> My Ethernet connection is not working and i dont have a clue why, can someone help me trying to find out ?
[01:23] <AndreSantos> Im on kubuntu 8.04
[01:24] <Daisuke_Laptop> are we talking about the same kde?
[01:24] <sacha_> yes
[01:24] <genii> roger__: Make any filename there and put the line in it (the filename doesn't matter)
[01:24] <flaccid> AndreSantos: what happens when you select wired from knetworkmanager?
[01:25] <flaccid> AndreSantos: this is a wired ethernet connection?
[01:25] <wesley> kde4.1 will be lot faster than the current kde4
[01:25] <roger__> genii:  gonna give it a try...be back
[01:25] <AndreSantos> [flaccid]: When i enable it, it just desables... yes
[01:25] <AndreSantos> wires.
[01:25] <AndreSantos> wired.
[01:25] <genii> roger__:  This fix is per: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/211572
[01:25] <Daisuke_Laptop> history: from 3.1 to 3.2 was... over a year
[01:25] <sacha_> qt4.4 is meant to make it faster but i dont notice too much difference
[01:25] <flaccid> what do you mean it just disables?
[01:26] <AndreSantos> flaccid i click enable... it enable but 1 sec later its setted as disabled
[01:26] <sacha_> Daisuke_Laptop: thats a completely different release with different goals and a different schedule
[01:26] <Daisuke_Laptop> i'm hoping for it by the end of the year, but kde4 introduces a lot more new things than 3 did, so...  forgive me, but i'm not holding my breath.
[01:26] <flaccid> AndreSantos: please pastebin /etc/network/interfaces and /var/log/messages
[01:26] <sacha_> Daisuke_Laptop: idea is a lot of the stuff is introduced now by kde4.1, so 4.2 wont be hard to do in 6 months
[01:26] <Daisuke_Laptop> but for the most part, past X.2, 6 months seems to be the norm
[01:27] <wesley> sacha i do i runed only the live cd alpha and konqeuror and other programs open faster
[01:27] <AndreSantos> flaccid im going to type it on pastebin, since i got no connection on the laptop
[01:27] <sacha_> wesley: the alpha where plasma wasnt working?
[01:28] <AndreSantos> flaccid hold on.
[01:28] <genii> sacha_: I'm in same boat with knetworkmanager and konversation ... stranely starting knetworkmanager from alt-f2 reports kdeinit errors but it runs anyhow
[01:28] <genii> *strangely
[01:28] <sacha_> i dunno, never run it manually
[01:28] <cleath> Hello
[01:28] <wesley> sacha it was working but only half but we have to wait till finaly it looks promising
[01:28] <cleath> how's everyone today?
[01:28] <flaccid> AndreSantos: ok. just do interfaces file then and check /var/log/messages after you click wired and see if it puts anything in there - it should put NetworkManager messages
[01:29] <AndreSantos> [flaccid]: ok
[01:29] <sacha_> wesley: nuno is designing a completely new plasma theme right now. api in the alpha was getting rewritten so it was complete mess :P
[01:29] <raket> mr. flaccid, I have one more question for you! :) sorry if you already saw it.. but, how much space does average Kubuntu system need, since I would like to move my /home directory on another partition...
[01:29] <cleath> I really like ubuntu, first time in awhile i've been able to stay on a linux based OS without having to switch to windows for some reason or another
[01:29] <sacha_> how much space does the /home need? or the kubuntu install? raket
[01:30] <raket> sacha_: Kubuntu
[01:30] <sacha_> raket: /dev/sda1             75300188   7957672  63547564  12% /
[01:30] <AndreSantos> flaccid http://pastebin.com/m2a786639
[01:30] <flaccid> raket: depends. i guess at least 3G is advised, 5G min. preferable
[01:31] <sacha_> raket: im using 7 gigs right now. but i have a lot of development stuff on here. compiled a lot of stuff and working ona few projects
[01:31] <raket> flaccid: alright, I was thinking about 5gb too... thanks again! :)
[01:31] <genii> stdin: Offhand you may know, how would you specify application A goes in systray A and application B goes in systray B ?
[01:31] <cleath> Anyone have experience with using kubuntu as a radius server?
[01:31] <raket> sacha_: thank you too!
[01:32] <stdin> genii: afaik, there is only one systray. though there can be multiple instances of it it's the same
[01:33] <flaccid> AndreSantos: the interface in question is eth0? what is eth2 and ath0 ?
[01:33] <AndreSantos> flaccid eth1
[01:33] <genii> stdin: Rightclick on bar allows multiple systray widget to be added.... just curious if a way to use them :)
[01:34] <genii> stdin: I had 5 by accident
[01:34] <AndreSantos> flaccid the one in knetworkmanager is eth1
[01:35] <stdin> genii: yeah, you can have more than one systray widget, but the system tray thing is "standardised" by freedesktop.org, so unless all DEs provide ways of using more than one systray there can only be one "real" one
[01:35] <genii> stdin: Ah, OK. Thanks
[01:35] <flaccid> AndreSantos: change your interfaces file to this: http://pastebin.com/m152c6ec4 then close knetworkmanager, then do a sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart then start knetworkmanager and see if it works now
[01:36] <constanza> Olas!
[01:36] <genii> !spanish | constanza
[01:37] <constanza> Olas!
[01:37]  * genii sips his coffee
[01:39] <Agent_bob> i like #kubuntu so much better than #ubuntu   ...
[01:39] <flaccid> me too
[01:40] <Agent_bob> shhhh lets don't tell people about it.    they will come in here and spoil this channel too    ;/
[01:40] <genii> I like both for different reasons. More laid back here however.
[01:41] <AndreSantos> [flaccid]: k, gonna try it
[01:42] <AndreSantos> flaccid just that 2 lines?
[01:42] <flaccid> yeah only localhost is required unless setting up static
[01:43] <AndreSantos> ok
[01:43] <weswh-> is there any way to enable mp3 support while running off of the livecd?
[01:44] <flaccid> weswh-: yeah just the same as you would normally
[01:44] <Agent_bob> weswh- just like enabling it from installed
[01:44] <flaccid> !mp3 | weswh-
[01:44] <genii> weswh-: Anything you could install on a regular system can also be installed on a livecd system, up to the size of your RAM
[01:47] <Agent_bob> genii you know.   actually one could add some disk space to the unionfs and install anything.
[01:47] <alucardromero> My expertise isn't video editing, but what can I use to edit video?  Mainly to overlap text on the video.
[01:47] <genii> Agent_bob: Yup
[01:48] <genii> Agent_bob: Your average user has no idea though, they try to install somethng like kde4 then wonder why they run out of space....  (on casper)
[01:48] <Agent_bob> yeah.
[01:49] <Agent_bob> can anyone answer alucardromero  ?
[01:49] <AndreSantos> flaccid just a question, is there a way to active/deactive these devics without knetworkmanager? i personally hate it.
[01:49] <alucardromero> I just read on ubuntuforums... looks like Cinelerra is gonna be the ticket.
[01:50] <alexbobp> I'm having problems figuring out what sound server is running so I can replace it with the sound server I want running.  What's the best way to find out what program is directly using my audio hardware?
[01:50] <flaccid> AndreSantos: sure is, you can do it in the interfaces file or run dhclient manually on the device..
[01:51] <Agent_bob> alexbobp fuser ?
[01:51] <Feijo_BR> how to configure Konversation to auto register when I enter?
[01:51] <AndreSantos> flaccid how do i run it manually?
[01:51] <flaccid> AndreSantos: eg. sudo dhclient eth1
[01:52] <AndreSantos> [flaccid]: k.
[01:52] <flaccid> in interfaces you can do iface eth1 inet dhcp
[01:52] <genii> AndreSantos: To release dhcp lease use sudo dhclient -r eth1          as example
[01:53] <alexbobp> Agent_bob: on /dev/dsp?
[01:53] <Agent_bob> alexbobp yeah
[01:53] <alexbobp> That returns nothing, but I also can't write to /dev/dsp; I get "device is busy"
[01:53] <AndreSantos> flaccid is it safe to remove knetworkmanager?
[01:53] <alexbobp> so I think whatever is using the hardware is not using it through OSS
[01:53] <flaccid> alexbobp: this should help: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux-Gamers-HOWTO/x696.html
[01:54] <Agent_bob> errr should be alsa
[01:54] <flaccid> AndreSantos: not really. in theory it should be, but ive seen problems when removing it
[01:54] <AndreSantos> kk
[01:54] <Agent_bob> oss is not default in ubuntu
[01:54] <flaccid> alexbobp: alsa is default in kubuntu
[01:55] <alexbobp> flaccid: thanks.  I don't think it's alsa, though, because the alsa process is not running.
[01:55] <AndreSantos> flaccid is it the same for wireless connection? the dhcp command
[01:56] <flaccid> alexbobp: there is no process alsa..
[01:56] <flaccid> AndreSantos: yes but of course it will only work if the wireless network is insecured
[01:56] <styles> Hey, how do I remove ALL the shit from Knome? I like Gnome
[01:56] <alexbobp> flaccid: no?  then what would I kill to unlock the hardware?
[01:56] <genii> Knome?
[01:56] <alexbobp> I want to run pulseaudio.
[01:57] <zOap_kde> I lost my bottom panel, in kubuntu 8.04 Remix how do I get it back? it's not called kicker anymore..
[01:57] <genii> !puregnome | styles
[01:57] <partition_proble> hi all,i've problem with hard disc partition,it has corrupted,and i've to find exact cylinder of a partition to recover it,which tool do i have to use?
[01:57] <AndreSantos> flaccid and if it secured? how do i configure the essid and password? from the terminal
[01:57] <flaccid> alexbobp: if its locked then a a non alsa program is using the device
[01:57] <Agent_bob> !pulseaudio | alexbobp
[01:57] <flaccid> !pulseaudio | alexbobp
[01:57] <flaccid> dang
[01:58] <flaccid> zOap_kde: plasma
[01:58] <Agent_bob> :)
[01:58] <zOap_kde> flaccid, so i just type that in run? didnt work..
[01:58] <alexbobp> so pulseaudio does not replace alsa?  does it use alsa?
[01:58] <alexbobp> how can I find the non-alsa program using the device?
[01:59] <flaccid> AndreSantos: you usually do it in the interfaces file. it depends on the type of encryption. you can do it manual without the interfaces file but it gets complicated (wpa_supplicant)
[01:59] <partition_proble> anybody help me?
[01:59] <styles> genii: I did that. "sudo aptitude remove kubuntu-desktop" I still have all the programs it installed though.
[01:59] <flaccid> zOap_kde: im not sure, ask in #kubuntu-kde4 or #kde
[01:59] <NickPresta> styles, the kubuntu-desktop package is just a metapackage. It isn't actually anything.
[02:00] <styles> NickPresta: Whats the entire package? I had Ubuntu, then I got KDE Desktop last night. It also installed other KDE programs.
[02:00] <AndreSantos> [flaccid]: may i ask u how +- the interfaces file should look like? when connecting to a wireless secured
[02:00] <NickPresta> styles, did you install KDE stuff via the 'kubuntu-desktop' packge?
[02:00] <styles> I want to get rid of the programs and KDE. I didn't know Gnome already hadt he veature.
[02:00] <styles> NickPresta: I think it did. I ran the command over night to dl the ~105MB or something sided package
[02:01] <NickPresta> styles, I would remove kubuntu-desktop and then remove the applications in the Remove Kubuntu section
[02:01] <flaccid> AndreSantos: whats the encryption type?
[02:01] <styles> NickPresta: weres the Remove Kubuntu sectoin?
[02:01] <NickPresta> styles, http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome
[02:02]  * genii just sips his coffee
[02:02] <styles> were do I type this?
[02:02] <styles> Becuase it looks like it will try and over ride the current Gnome.
[02:02] <styles> Alt+f2 or w/e
[02:03] <sacha_> yeah anywhere
[02:03] <NickPresta> styles, you can run it within a terminal. the changes won't happen in real time.
[02:04] <styles> NickPresta: Okay thanks
[02:04] <Feijo_BR> clone multimedia keyboard have special driver for kubuntu?
[02:05] <Agent_bob>
[02:06] <Agent_bob> alexbobp umm  what does   fuser /dev/snd/*   return?
[02:06] <Dr_willis> weird - i just booted into Kubuntu and the keyboard wasent working.. but its working here under windows, and in the bios.
[02:06] <wad> I downloaded a program (simutrans), unzipped it, and moved the directory into /var/games/. It's currently owned by root:games. I'd like to make this game available to everyone who logs onto this computer. What's the Right Way to do this, the proper Linux way?
[02:07] <alexbobp> Agent_bob: /dev/snd/controlC0:   8502
[02:07] <Agent_bob> add -u  for user name
[02:07] <Jucato> wad: add your user (or any user) to group "games"?
[02:08] <wad> Jucato: okay. I'll give it a try. Thanks!
[02:08] <flaccid> wad: chmod -R 775 on the directory
[02:08] <alexbobp> wad: you could "chmod a+rx" on it to make it so everybody can read and execute it.
[02:08] <alexbobp> Agent_bob: /dev/snd/controlC0:   8502(alex)
[02:08] <Agent_bob> or -v for verbose
[02:09] <alexbobp>  /dev/snd/controlC0:  alex       8502 F.... (alex)kmix
[02:09] <NickPresta> wad, what about in /usr/local/games?
[02:09] <alexbobp> Agent_bob: should I close kmix then?
[02:09] <wad> NickPresta: ah...
[02:09] <Agent_bob> sorry i had to consult the man page.  i'm not an fuser user really.    and kmix is the culprit.
[02:09]  * wad tries some of these suggestions.
[02:10] <Agent_bob> alexbobp i would say adjust it to use the pulseaudio insted
[02:10] <wad> The executable is located here: /usr/games/simutrans/simutrans
[02:10] <flaccid> yeah as per man hier it should be in /usr/share/games
[02:10] <wad> That's not in the path.
[02:10] <wad> Oh, okay.
[02:10]  * wad moves it
[02:10] <genii> Dr_willis: This a bluetooth keyboard?
[02:10] <flaccid> sorry /usr/local/games NickPresta is right
[02:11] <Dr_willis> genii,  nope. Normal usb keyboard. Been working fine for me for ages under linux
[02:11] <NickPresta> wad, you can put it anywhere you want really. it is your system. FHS suggests /usr/local/games.
[02:11] <Dr_willis> dident notice any kernel updates today either. was some other updates
[02:11] <wad> okay
[02:11] <Agent_bob> Dr_willis did you test   alt+sysrq+r   ?
[02:11] <flaccid> NickPresta: what is FHS?
[02:12] <flaccid> yeah /usr/local/games is most appropriate as per man hier :)
[02:12] <wad> And the ownership should be root:games, right?
[02:12] <Jucato> !fhs
[02:12] <^u^> Dr_willis: there's been a few complaints of that lately
[02:12] <Dr_willis> Agent_bob,  nope. alt-ctrl-bs dident work. i ended up hitting the power button to reset. I also noticed the G15 daemon dident see the lcd and run its clock either
[02:12] <genii> Dr_willis: Mostly intel chipset in the box? If so maybe try kernel option of usb-handoff
[02:12] <Matt1728> !pdf
[02:12] <Jucato> flaccid: ^^^^ Filesystem Hierarchy Standard
[02:12] <alexbobp> Agent_bob: now pulseaudio runs, and pavucontrol can connect.  Amarok seems to play audio, but nothing comes from the speakers.
[02:12] <NickPresta> Thanks Jucato :)
[02:12] <Jucato> did I spell hierarchy right?
[02:12] <Matt1728> can someone help me find a program that can edit PDF files
[02:12] <Dr_willis> No intel chipset here. amd64 cpu, nvidia video. I tried moving the usb plug also.
[02:13] <flaccid> Jucato: thanks
[02:13] <Jucato> yep.. I did!!! for the first time! :P
[02:13] <NickPresta> I believe so. It looks right to me :P
[02:13] <flaccid> wad: it should be root:root i think the games user is for /usr/games
[02:13] <Agent_bob> Dr_willis i can't ctrl+alt+anything until i use the sysrq+alt+r  to reset the keyboard    that's why i mentioned it.
[02:14] <Daisuke_Laptop> Matt1728, are you just looking to take a document and make a pdf out of it?
[02:14] <cleath> i have a amd64 nvideo laptop
[02:14] <alexbobp> Agent_bob: I can play audio with mpg123 and aplay, but not through pulseaudio.
[02:15] <flaccid> alexbobp: and you followed the howto ?
[02:15] <Agent_bob> alexbobp i've never messed with pulseaudio  and i'm on dapper so....  sorry.
[02:15] <Matt1728> Daisuke_Laptop: i have a pdf file from class and i want to add my info to it
[02:15] <Daisuke_Laptop> ah
[02:15] <Daisuke_Laptop> not sure then
[02:15] <alexbobp> flaccid: yes, I followed it.
[02:16] <Daisuke_Laptop> !pdfedit
[02:16] <Daisuke_Laptop> !info pdfedit
[02:16] <Daisuke_Laptop> there ya go :)
[02:16] <flaccid> alexbobp: i guess google and !bugs if someone can't help
[02:16] <Agent_bob> Matt1728 print it to ps and edit that. then save as something reasonable
[02:16] <wad> flaccid: It seems to be working now. I put it in /usr/share/games/simutrans. And I just exectute the executable specifically. Works!
[02:16] <Daisuke_Laptop> Agent_bob, pdf is perfectly reasonable
[02:17] <Daisuke_Laptop> do you just have a grudge against adobe?
[02:17] <Agent_bob> Daisuke_Laptop umm yeah   freedom.
[02:17] <flaccid> wad: thats the wrong location as /usr/share/games is Static data files for games in /usr/games but thats cool..
[02:17] <flaccid> pdf is ratified now
[02:18] <Daisuke_Laptop> as flaccid said...
[02:18] <wad> oh
[02:18] <flaccid> pdf is open standard now (iso32000) :)
[02:18] <Daisuke_Laptop> scribus, print to pdf, pdfedit, all work
[02:18] <Jucato> standard? yes. open? hm...
[02:18] <flaccid> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_Document_Format
[02:18] <wad> Oops, I meant to say /usr/local/games
[02:18] <Daisuke_Laptop> and it's not like there aren't any open readers for them either,
[02:18] <wad> Sorry!
[02:18] <Jucato> anyway, such is not the place for ISO discussions :)
[02:19] <flaccid> it was mentioned in passing only
[02:19] <flaccid> :)
[02:19] <flaccid> wad: coolio
[02:22] <miron> Where can I get the module  Lingua::EN::Tagger?
[02:23] <miron> I'm a kde newbie, used to gnome
[02:23] <wad> Okay, so I made an icon to launch the game. It works! I'd like to put it into the menu structure for all users to see.
[02:23]  * wad starts fiddling with the menu
[02:23] <flaccid> wad: right click kmenu and edit
[02:23] <flaccid> cool
[02:23] <wad> flaccid: Ah, yep. Cool.
[02:24] <wad> Nice.
[02:24] <Agent_bob> "open standard"   does not in anyway make a thing free.    now, i've made my OT remark on the subject. i'll quit.
[02:25] <flaccid> thing is what exactly?
[02:27] <flaccid> i don't see what costs..
[02:29] <wells_> re tout le monde
[02:29] <wells_> une tite question vite vite
[02:29] <Jucato> !fr | wells_
[02:30] <wells_> comment miger de ubuntu 8.04 64 bit ( Gnome) vers Kubnutu 8.04 64 bit
[02:31] <Jucato> wells_: this is the English channel. not the French channel
[02:40] <sacha_> hehe cool: http://nuno-icons.com/images/estilo/babes.png
[02:51] <aaroncampbell> Adept downloaded a bunch of packages that I selected, then as it went to install, it prompted for licenses on Java, and I clicked past the first, causing it to quit.  Is there a way to tell apt to just install what's already been downloaded (without having to go through and selec each package from the list again)?
[02:51] <flaccid> aaroncampbell: i don't think so
[02:52] <aaroncampbell> There's no way to see the data that has been downloaded?  Where does it download them to?
[02:52] <Kyral> someplace in /var
[02:52] <Kyral> IIRC
[02:52] <nosrednaekim>  /var/cache/apt/archives
[02:52] <richard_> i am really confused with kubuntu 8.04, i want to type this command:SUDO GEDIT /ETC/MODULES, but I do not know where to type it?
[02:53] <richard_> which program do I use?
[02:53] <flaccid> yeah but then you would have to create an apt-get install command for what you want the apt cache and that would take time. also the apt cache would include other downloads from past..
[02:53] <^u^> !konsole
[02:53] <Agent_bob> richard_ in the first place don't type that.   that will only error out with bash: SUDO not found.
[02:53] <Agent_bob> case is important
[02:54] <Agent_bob> richard_ konsole
[02:54] <richard_> my computer does not shut off after Kubuntu shuts down, this is supposed to fix it
[02:55] <^u^> richard_: and gedit is for gnome - it is a terminal command - try kdesudo kate
[02:56] <richard_> how do I open kdesudo kate
[02:56] <Agent_bob> richard_ konsole
[02:56] <flaccid> richard_: just run the command in konsole
[02:57] <Agent_bob> or in your irc client...   /exec kdesudo kate /etc/modules
[02:57] <Agent_bob> if you can't find the konsole launcher in the kmenu
[02:57] <nosrednaekim> I did not know about that... haha
[02:58] <^u^> richard_:  K-menu -> System -> Konsole - then type kdesudo kate /etc/modules
[02:58] <Agent_bob> nosrednaekim you didn't know about  /exec ?
[02:58] <Jucato> :D
[02:59] <Agent_bob> nosrednaekim  /exec -o ls -ldh $HOME
[02:59] <Agent_bob> :)
[02:59] <richard_> the command failed
[02:59] <richard_> i did find kate
[02:59] <Bobi_bogor> E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room
[02:59] <Bobi_bogor> E: Error occurred while processing update-apt (NewFileVer1)
[02:59] <Bobi_bogor> E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/mirror.its.ac.id_ubuntu_dists_gutsy_universe_binary-i386_Packages
[02:59] <Bobi_bogor> E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
[02:59] <Bobi_bogor> what should i do?
[02:59] <Jucato> you should use a pastebin next time :)
[03:00] <Bobi_bogor> ok
[03:00] <Bobi_bogor> sorry
[03:00] <Bobi_bogor> help me please
[03:00] <Jucato> what were you trying to do?
[03:00] <Bobi_bogor> sudo apt-get update
[03:00] <flaccid> googlin errors is a good idea
[03:01] <Bobi_bogor> im newbie here
[03:01] <flaccid> np
[03:01] <Agent_bob> nosrednaekim the -o makes it output to the channel so don't use it on things that might flood...
[03:01] <flaccid> i think you need to up your cache limit bob
[03:02] <^u^> richard_: linux is case sensitive - kdesudo kate /etc/modules
[03:02] <Bobi_bogor> how
[03:02] <nosrednaekim> :)
[03:02] <richard_> i may have missed a space after kate?
[03:02] <Jucato> Agent_bob: you shouldn't have told him that... it would have given me the chance to kickban :)
[03:03] <Agent_bob> Jucato the example i listed wouldn't flood anyway  :)
[03:03] <^u^> richard_: there should be a space
[03:03] <flaccid> Bobi_bogor: try adding APT::Cache-Limit "16777216"; to  /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/70debconf
[03:03] <Jucato> Agent_bob: you should have given him a "better" example :)
[03:03] <Agent_bob> lol
[03:03] <Bobi_bogor> ok
[03:03] <Agent_bob> /exec -o ls -ldh $HOME
[03:03] <Agent_bob> take the    ^ d out of it
[03:04] <Jucato> richard_: just press Alt+F2 and copy-paste the command: kdesudo kate /etc/modules
[03:04] <Jucato> Agent_bob: don't you mean "replace d with r"? ;)
[03:04] <richard_> it opened
[03:05] <Agent_bob> nah  just the home dir will be flood enough
[03:05] <Jucato> er. I meant R :)
[03:05] <Agent_bob> maybe   s/d/A/
[03:05] <Jucato> right :)
[03:06] <richard_> i am supposed to enter this line:apm power_off=1, do I just add it below what is already there?
[03:06] <Agent_bob> umm uhh
[03:06] <Agent_bob> yes
[03:07] <^u^> richard_: yep
[03:07] <richard_> do I have to select "Edit" or just copy it in?
[03:07] <^u^> richard_: just type it in
[03:07] <Agent_bob> you are already in a text editor...
[03:07] <^u^> richard_: then save and close
[03:07] <Bobi_bogor> still get error message
[03:08] <richard_> any idea if this works? or is there a chance I will screw it up real good?
[03:08] <Ketrel> By default Kubuntu seems to be mounting vfat with shortname=winnt, how can I change the default?
[03:09] <Agent_bob> Ketrel -o option ?
[03:09] <Ketrel> Agent_bob: I mean when it automounts when I plug it in
[03:10] <Agent_bob> Ketrel idk.   sorry.
[03:10] <flaccid> Bobi_bogor: try sudo aptitude clean
[03:10] <Agent_bob> have no idea where ubuntu puts that info
[03:11] <flaccid> Bobi_bogor: failing that, try, sudo rm -vf /var/lib/apt/lists/*
[03:11] <richard_> are you still there >^u^<
[03:11] <Bobi_bogor> yes
[03:11] <Bobi_bogor> fail
[03:11] <flaccid> Bobi_bogor: does this work? sudo apt-get update -o APT::Cache-Limit=25165824
[03:11] <^u^> richard_: yep
[03:12] <Bobi_bogor> trying
[03:12] <richard_> doyou know anything about this line helping to shut down the computer when kubuntu shuts off?
[03:12] <Bobi_bogor> thank god
[03:12] <Bobi_bogor> its working
[03:12] <Bobi_bogor> THANK'S
[03:12] <richard_> I would really hate to get messed up now, I am just learning linux
[03:12] <Bobi_bogor> thanks a lot
[03:12] <flaccid> no problem
[03:12] <ere4si> richard_: nope - ^u^ don't
[03:13] <flaccid> Bobi_bogor: i'd probably still file a bug if i were you. please do if you can
[03:13] <ere4si> richard_: ^u^ = ere4si
[03:13] <kamui> Does XORG read its configuration file from another file other than xorg.conf?
[03:13] <Bobi_bogor> i dont understand
[03:13] <flaccid> !bugs | Bobi_bogor
[03:13] <flaccid> Bobi_bogor: that error shouldn't happen, so filing a bug will help the project
[03:14] <Bobi_bogor> ok
[03:14] <Agent_bob> kamui not normally.   but if you use startx to start xorg it will use the xorg.conf in your home dir if there is one
[03:14] <flaccid> kamui: yes, there is a user settings file iirc
[03:14] <ere4si> richard_: where id you get the command from?
[03:14] <Bobi_bogor> thanks ya
[03:14] <Bobi_bogor> makasih
[03:14] <ere4si> *did
[03:14] <richard_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1714220&postcount=9
[03:14] <kamui> flaccid, agent_bot: could you then explain why I've removed all the pointers from /etc/xorg.conf yet my mouse, trackpad and touchscreen still work?
[03:15] <flaccid> i think its .xinitrc or something
[03:15] <Agent_bob> kamui /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[03:15] <kamui> yep
[03:16] <Agent_bob> kamui and mouse will work without a listing
[03:16] <myk_robinson> test
[03:16] <ere4si> richard_: that is old but it shouldn't do harm - reboot and try
[03:16] <Agent_bob> defaults
[03:16] <flaccid> kamui: not sure. you could check the /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see what its doing
[03:16] <flaccid> you may have to explicitly disable them in xorg.conf
[03:16] <richard_> thanks...I will try it out
[03:17] <richard_> all I have  to do is copy & paste it after the last line that is already there?
[03:17] <kamui> agent: shmitt!  is there a way to disable this behavior?  Im pretty sure its using a generic event driver which breaks the touchscreen
[03:17] <myk_robinson> running kubuntu on a new laptop w/Dual Core. Do i need to insatll a different kernel to take advantage of dual ocre?
[03:18] <nosrednaekim> myk_robinson: nope
[03:18] <flaccid> myk_robinson: nope
[03:18] <kamui> shoot
[03:18] <myk_robinson> okay. i thought maybe i had to install an smp kernel.. the generic is fine, though?
[03:18] <Agent_bob> kamui setting up the touchscreen should superseed the default  and thus "fix" it.
[03:18] <flaccid> yeah smp support is in it
[03:19] <myk_robinson> thank you,good night
[03:19] <flaccid> myk_robinson: you can see SMP in uname -a
[03:19] <flaccid> good night
[03:19] <kamui> Agent_bob: it doesnt
[03:19] <myk_robinson> you are correct
[03:19] <kamui> thas why I was trying to remove everything but the touchscreen
[03:19] <Agent_bob> !touchscreen
[03:19] <myk_robinson> how can i see processor info in command line?
[03:19] <kamui> and then I discovered that removing everything doesn't disable anything
[03:19] <flaccid> myk_robinson: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[03:19] <Ketrel> Anyone else know how to change? (Kubuntu seems to be mounting vfat with shortname=winnt, how can I change the default?)
[03:20] <flaccid> !mount | Ketrel
[03:20] <flaccid> !ntfs | Ketrel
[03:20] <Agent_bob> kamui it's not being overwritten at startup time is it?
[03:20] <flaccid> in fstab Ketrel. see above guide
[03:20] <kamui> Agent_bob: if it is, its restored after
[03:21] <kamui> I just suspect its using a supplementary file, or like you said autoconfiguring for some reason
[03:21] <Ketrel> flaccid: to be more clear, I'm talking about when I plug in my thumbdrive
[03:21] <Ketrel> it's fat32, and mounting with shortname=lower, I just want to change the default to shortname=mixed
[03:21] <flaccid> ah ok
[03:21] <Agent_bob> kamui hmmm that being an xorg issue  you might ask in   #ubuntu and see if anyone that knows will answer
[03:21] <Ketrel> any idea how I'd change the default there?
[03:22] <flaccid> one sec Ketrel
[03:22] <Ketrel> k
[03:24] <kamui> been tryin Agent_bob also finally just asked in xorg
[03:24] <kamui> but I doubt Ill get an answer tonight
[03:24] <flaccid> Ketrel: i believe its in /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/20-storage-methods.fdi just trying to work out what to do exactly
[03:25] <flaccid> Ketrel: just change <append key="volume.mount.valid_options" type="strlist">shortname=</append> to <append key="volume.mount.valid_options" type="strlist">shortname=mixed</append> i gues
[03:25] <^u^> richyes
[03:25] <^u^> oops
[03:27] <Ketrel> flaccid: still automounts it as shortname=lower
[03:27] <Ketrel> here's a question, there something I can do so search the contents of all the files to see if any actually say shortname=lower?
[03:27] <Agent_bob> kamui i wish i knew.   even google doesn't seem to know.
[03:28] <flaccid> Ketrel: there are few entries in the config file, did you change all of them?
[03:28] <Ketrel> lemme check in case I missed one :
[03:28] <flaccid> Ketrel: there is no lower word in that file by default
[03:29] <Ketrel> flaccid: I meant in case it wasn't that file if I could seach for all files that would have the text "shortname=lower"
[03:29] <Ketrel> but I'm checking what happens
[03:29] <Ketrel> I did miss an instance
[03:29] <flaccid> you could do that, but would take a long time and you don't even know if its driver by such text
[03:30] <flaccid> Ketrel: you probably need to sudo /etc/init.d/hal restart as well
[03:30] <Ketrel> ok, I changed all instances (didn't restart hal yet), but now it says
[03:30] <Ketrel> /dev/sdb1 on /media/ANDREWUSB type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,noatime,uhelper=hal,flush,uid=1000,utf8
[03:31] <Ketrel> (notice it doesn't say shortname at all)
[03:31] <Ketrel> in that case, is it mixed?
[03:31] <flaccid> i don't know
[03:31] <flaccid> i don't even know what shortname option is :)
[03:32] <Ketrel> I forget what it does, though I do know in order for it to work with a certain product it has to be on mixed
[03:32] <kamui> Agent_bob: yea, been searching for the last 2 hours
[03:32] <kamui> nothing is coming up
[03:32] <kamui> I can't believe im the first person to have an issue with xorg autodetection
[03:32] <flaccid> Ketrel: test the product
[03:33] <flaccid> kamui: there is #xorg as well
[03:33] <Agent_bob> kamui someone has to be first...
[03:33] <flaccid> im sure many people have had xorg detectin issues..
[03:33] <Ketrel> It wouldn't be a good idea to do that, because I don't have a windows computer handy, and if I've done it wrong, it'll break
[03:33] <kamui> flaccid: its practically deserted, been asking in there too
[03:33] <kamui> Agent_bob: this sucks to be THAT person at THIS moment
[03:34] <flaccid> kamui: keep searching google i guess. i don't know much in that area sorry
[03:34] <kamui> its all good guys, appreciate the effort though
[03:35] <flaccid> kamui: logout crash is more frustrating than that for a lot of users atm :)
[03:35] <Ketrel> Other question, is there any way to mount without being root?
[03:35] <luis86> hoola
[03:36] <flaccid> Ketrel: sure is. add the dev to fstab and specify the 'users' option
[03:36] <Ketrel> kk
[03:36] <Ketrel> thx
[03:36] <flaccid> np
[03:37] <Choreboy> Can someone tell me, is there a kopete channel?
[03:37] <Choreboy> and how do I join different channels? I don't really know IRC.
[03:37] <flaccid> Choreboy: #kopete and /join #kopete
[03:38] <Choreboy> beautiful. Thanks.
[03:38] <flaccid> np
[03:40] <Ketrel> flaccid: I edited the file and restarted hal, if I have anything other than "shortname=" it doesn't use shortname at all
[03:40] <Ketrel> while that file seems to be related, it seems to be pulling the value from elsewhere
[03:41] <flaccid> Ketrel: i guess its possible ubuntu has implemented differenty. let me check google on the config
[03:43] <Ketrel> flaccid: that's what I'm doing too
[03:45] <flaccid> Ketrel: i think that sets the options valid only
[03:45] <flaccid> im not sure what to do to change the default options. google is a bit vauge here
[03:47] <Ketrel> flaccid: Well I'm running a grep on the word lower, hopefully it'll turn up something
[03:47] <flaccid> Ketrel: sows on here how to do it with gconftool: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/svn/general/hal.html
[03:49] <Ketrel> flaccid: I'll read that now, thx
[03:50] <firecrotch> flaccid, Ketrel: sorry to butt in, but what are we trying to accomplish here?
[03:50] <flaccid> change default mount option for usb keys with hal to shortname=mixed with vfat
[03:50] <flaccid> we can find how to set the valid options but not the options itself
[03:50] <abdou> salu
[03:51] <ryan-c> how can I change the refresh rate on my screen?
[03:53] <thev> Hi, anyone know how to activate thumbnail previews in Konqueror? I'm in file mode, and when I mouse over a file the infobox has a preview, but the thumbnails are all generic
[03:53] <firecrotch> flaccid, Ketrel: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=40951
[03:53] <thev> I swear this worked in gutsy... I don't know what's up in Hardy now (fresh install)
[03:54] <firecrotch> it's for ArchLinux, but it should apply to Ubuntu too, afterall, Linux is Linux is Linux
[03:55] <flaccid> firecrotch: hmmm, whats the key value for it?
[03:55] <flaccid> hey there are other unixes hal runs on :p
[03:56] <firecrotch> flaccid:  Heh yeah :) No idea what the key value is
[03:57] <flaccid> firecrotch: there is no solution on that page.
[03:57] <firecrotch> flaccid:  True, but it tells you how hal settings like that are changed
[03:58] <Ketrel> firecrotch: I have no idea what to do though XD, and I still don't know where it's getting the default of "lower" from
[03:58] <flaccid> Ketrel: it will have to be in here somewhere heh http://people.freedesktop.org/~david/hal-spec/hal-spec.html
[03:59] <firecrotch> "lower" is the default.  Just because it is.
[04:02] <flaccid> its crazy that we can't find this
[04:02] <firecrotch> I think I've got it
[04:02] <Ketrel> oh?
[04:03]  * flaccid raises both eybrows
[04:03]  * Ketrel raises all three
[04:03] <firecrotch> Give me a moment, I just have to write up the XML
[04:03] <davf> anyone using fprint or thinkfinger with kubuntu hardy?
[04:04] <flaccid> nice firecrotch
[04:05] <thechris> I have the following issue with initrd:  "/dev/ram not found"
[04:05] <thechris> any ideas ?
[04:05] <flaccid> thechris: ubuntu version and media type please?
[04:07] <thechris> 8.04 and a partition on my box that holds an ISO of the liveCD
[04:08] <flaccid> so is this booting from cd or hard disk?
[04:08] <thechris> hard disk
[04:08] <thechris>  /dev/sda7
[04:09] <flaccid> so did it just start happening? or what triggered it
[04:09] <thechris> I'm attempting to intall from an image stored on a HDD
[04:11] <flaccid> thechris: im a bit confused. you boot with what exactly? whats the process you are trying here
[04:12] <firecrotch> Ketrel: append this to /etc/hal/fdi/preferences.fdi: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10661/
[04:12] <firecrotch> after you make a backup of the originial, of course
[04:13] <firecrotch> Ketrel:  You'll have to restart hal after that
[04:13] <flaccid> ah <merge key="volume.shortname" type="string">mixed</merge>
[04:13] <flaccid> pretty basic
[04:13] <thechris> i boot using grub with /boot/vmlinuz and /boot/initrd.gz with root=casper and an option for something like a 1G ram disk (didn't calculate it out)
[04:13] <Ketrel> firecrotch: trying that now
[04:13] <firecrotch> I would *think* that that is the correct key
[04:14] <flaccid> thechris: so what OS do you boot and how do you access the installer in the ISO?
[04:14] <Ketrel> one problem firecrotch, I can't appeand it as I don't have that file at all
[04:14] <flaccid> i guess touch it Ketrel?
[04:14] <flaccid> create it
[04:15] <will00> i have thunderbird installed on my computer, and recently its stopped getting mail from my gmail account.
[04:15] <robf_> whats the name of that lil update manager that ran initially,  cos I can't find it on the menu and I forget what its called :p
[04:15] <firecrotch> Ketrel:  Odd, you should have it.........
[04:15] <thechris> flaccid: i accessed the ISO originally from linux using mount -o loop.  From there i did a cp -a to copy all files to the partition which i formatted with mke2fs -j or such
[04:15] <flaccid> robf_: adept_manager ?
[04:15] <robf_> flaccid: is it?  I thought that was just a package manager
[04:15] <will00> it says the connection to server pop.gmail.com timed out
[04:15] <robf_> this thing would occasionally annoy me saying "time to update blah blah blah"
[04:16] <flaccid> robf_: sorry adept_updater
[04:16] <firecrotch> I've also come across this: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/archive/index.php/t-157228.html
[04:16] <robf_> and I closed it,  but apparently its not gonna come back automagically
[04:16] <robf_> rather it ran that one time,  and now I forget its name
[04:16] <robf_> I don't think it's adept
[04:16] <flaccid> robf_: adept_notifier
[04:16] <Ketrel> Since I don't have it, does that file need any additional info in it?
[04:16] <robf_> ah ok
[04:17] <Ketrel> firecrotch: with just that info in the file, there's no change
[04:17] <robf_> i figured it'd have some things to update,  but it's not griping
[04:17] <robf_> oh werll
[04:17] <o0Chris0o> what folder does ubuntu store the apps? trying to change default app
[04:17] <robf_> its so odd coming from gentoo to kubuntu and although everyone says its for noobs,  lol I often feel lost :(
[04:17] <flaccid> thechris: so are you saying that you can no longer boot because of this error, but you could before when you did all that stuff?
[04:17] <robf_> *Shrug* thanks though
[04:17] <ppibburr> Ketrel whats the filename?
[04:17] <firecrotch> Ketrel:  http://forums.fedoraforum.org/archive/index.php/t-157228.html has some settings that supposedly work for this
[04:18] <firecrotch> Ketrel:  Any .fdi file in /etc/hal will be parsed when hal starts, so you could put that in a new file
[04:18] <thechris> flaccid: no, i can boot into an OS, just not the liveCD stored in a seperate partition.
[04:18] <robf_> flaccid: although I am now using adept, this still doesn't look like the thing I'd used
[04:19] <robf_> not sure what it was... oh well this works
[04:19] <fildo> morning
[04:19] <thechris> its a way to get an install without a CD.  never lose the install CD, and have a faster version of the LiveCD
[04:19] <flaccid> thechris: i didn't know that you could boot an iso
[04:20] <robf_> flaccid: why could ya?
[04:21] <flaccid> robf_: huh
[04:21] <robf_> flaccid: you can make grub do some nifty things ;)
[04:21] <robf_> it's a straight up hack though
[04:21] <flaccid> thats pretty cool
[04:21] <thechris> no, the ISO is just a file.  i mounted the ISO using mount -o loop and copied the files to a new partition using cp -a
[04:21] <robf_> we used to have a box that had like 5 different iso stored systems that would mount and boot from em
[04:22] <flaccid> thechris: i understand now
[04:22] <robf_> the isos were on cf cards
[04:22] <Ketrel> firecrotch: I'm trying the one from fedora, will report back in a moment
[04:22] <robf_> flaccid: completely solid state box,  nifty stuff
[04:22] <flaccid> im not sure if direct copying it will work
[04:22] <robf_> but it requires hacking up grub a bit =s
[04:22] <Ketrel> didn't work
[04:23] <ppibburr> the livecd can be installed to a partition, and have another as persistent
[04:23] <flaccid> thechris: when searching google with that error, there were bugs in the past, but thats about it
[04:23] <firecrotch> Ketrel:  That's weird.... can you paste the output of lshal?
[04:24] <ppibburr> i think thats how slax, gets installed
[04:24] <flaccid> thechris: perhaps following process like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent will have more success
[04:24] <Ketrel> firecrotch: looking through it now, will pastebin in a moment
[04:27] <alakhia> hi, can anyone help with wireless connectivity?
[04:27] <Ketrel> firecrotch: this is 50 lines starting with the one containing /dev/sdb1
[04:27] <Ketrel> http://pastebin.ca/1010056
[04:28] <xchiamiov> alakhia: I'll give it a shot
[04:28] <ppibburr> maybe
[04:28] <alakhia> i upgraded to hardy and now my wireless is shot
[04:28] <alakhia> it connected the first time i booted but not anymore
[04:28] <xchiamiov> what kind of card do you have?
[04:28] <flaccid> alakhia: what happens when you select the network in knetworkmanager?
[04:28] <thechris> flaccid: hmm, i can't find isolinux on the cd though
[04:29] <flaccid> thechris: isolinux is so you can do it on fat. i can't find anything on direct copying livecd to a partition..
[04:30] <flaccid> it could purely be a bug still
[04:30] <alakhia> flaccid: this is the weird part ... my access point seems to be rebooting while my laptop connects
[04:30] <flaccid> maybe you are not doing anything wrong... maybe in theory you can just direct copy
[04:30] <ppibburr> syslinux ...
[04:30] <alakhia> knetworkmanager shows the name of my network EECS
[04:30] <flaccid> alakhia: thats no good. can't help with a faulty AP...
[04:31] <xchiamiov> alakhia: seems from the perspecitve of your computer, or looking at the router cp?
[04:31] <robf_> heh adept crashes if you change the search terms mid search it seems
[04:31] <alakhia> but it wasn't doing that before I upgraded
[04:31] <alakhia> xchiamiov: not sure what you mean
[04:31] <xchiamiov> alakhia: do you have any other wireless computers (or OSs) you can test things with?
[04:31] <xchiamiov> alakhia: let me see if I can clarify
[04:32] <ppibburr> copy cd contents to part, now you need a boot loader.
[04:32] <firecrotch> Ketrel:  Okay, then we want: <append key="volume.policy.mount_option.shortname=mixed" type="bool">true</append>
[04:32] <alakhia> i have a desktop which is what I'm using to type right now
[04:32] <firecrotch> At least, I think that will do it
[04:32] <xchiamiov> alakhia: when you say, "it appears to be rebooting", how are you getting that?
[04:32] <alakhia> my wife's laptop uses winxp and I think she can connect fine
[04:32] <flaccid> ppibburr: he is using grub but gets the no /dev/ram error which was fixed years ago
[04:32] <Ketrel> firecrotch: is that in place of <merge...
[04:32] <firecrotch> Ketrel:  Yeah
[04:32] <alakhia> xchiamiov: it's a 2wire access point / router and firewall all in one
[04:32] <nimrod> how can i get access to #python ?
[04:33] <flaccid> [13:29] <flaccid> alakhia: what happens when you select the network in knetworkmanager? <-- what does knetworkmanager do it should have a dialog
[04:33] <xchiamiov> nimrod: what client are you using?
[04:33] <ppibburr> i would bet that a boot disk, where you can pass boot params will get ya there
[04:33] <nimrod> Konversation
[04:33] <alakhia> xchiamiov: it has 3 lights: power, internet, local networking
[04:33] <firecrotch> Ketrel:  Wait wait, it says it's mounting as shortname=mixed....
[04:33] <xchiamiov> nimrod: if you're on the right network, file -> join channel
[04:34] <alakhia> flaccid: I already have configured knetworkmanager
[04:34] <Ketrel> where's it say that?
[04:34] <flaccid> alakhia: you still havnt explained its behaviour.
[04:34] <alakhia> manual config  -> configure interface
[04:34] <xchiamiov> nimrod: do you know which network they're on? (freenode, etc.)?
[04:34] <nimrod> no
[04:34] <alakhia> flaccid: oh, sure. I pick EECS when I right click icon in tray
[04:35] <xchiamiov> nimrod: let me see if I can find it
[04:35] <flaccid> alakhia: manual config won't work with WPA, there is nothing to configure manually, you right click and select the AP...
[04:35] <ppibburr> thechris: pastebin your grub setup?
[04:35] <alakhia> gets stuck at 27% and then my router reboots
[04:35] <Ketrel> firecrotch: where's it say that, mount still says it's doing it as shortname=lower
[04:35] <nimrod> xchiamiov:  i get this message: [05:29] [Channel] You need to be identified to join that channel
[04:35] <flaccid> alakhia: and then what happens... what does it do/say
[04:35] <alakhia> how does it know the key?
[04:35] <sparr_> how can i disable the "doesnt provide secure updates" extension check in firefox 3?
[04:35] <flaccid> alakhia: and what does it say at 27%...
[04:35] <flaccid> nimrod: register with freenode to join
[04:35] <xchiamiov> nimrod: to register, do a "/ns register help" and it'll provide you instructions
[04:35] <alakhia> router keep rebooting and netwkmanager gives up and gives me the configure dialog box when it is done
[04:35] <nimrod> ah
[04:35] <xchiamiov> nimrod: err, /ns help register
[04:35] <alakhia> doesn't go past 27%
[04:36] <nimrod> thanks
[04:36] <flaccid> [13:35] <flaccid> alakhia: and what does it say at 27%...
[04:36] <Ketrel> firecrotch: also chaning merge to append makes no difference
[04:36] <ppibburr> alakhia, whats your card chipset?
[04:36] <xchiamiov> nimrod: np, think specific syntax is "/ns register [email] [password]"
[04:36] <firecrotch> Ketrel:  Perhaps ask in #hal ?
[04:37]  * flaccid is trying to find what stage in process is stops at
[04:37] <thechris> ppibburr: i modified syslinux.cfg.  I'm going to try that out.  seems unlikely to work though.  grub has options of vmlinuz /boot=casper root=/dev/ram ramdisk_size=1073741
[04:37] <nimrod> xchiamiov: i would try that :)
[04:37] <alakhia> doesn't say anything ... gives up
[04:37] <Ketrel> firecrotch: hmmm, That might be best at this point :( as I'm lost and nothign seems to be working
[04:37] <alakhia> ppibburr: checking. Is it lspci?
[04:38] <flaccid> alakhia: are you telling me it says 27% but it doesn't say anything else? pastebin /var/log/messages
[04:38] <ppibburr> yea
[04:38] <firecrotch> Ketrel:  I'm lost too, lol.  I know nothing about hal, learning as I go here
[04:38] <flaccid> need to check log
[04:38] <alakhia> Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/wireless 3945 ABG network connection (rev 02)
[04:38] <alakhia> that's from lspci
[04:39] <Ketrel> are we shore it's hal that's doing this and not KDE?
[04:39] <flaccid> i'll wait for the log. also pastebin /etc/network/interfaces
[04:39] <alakhia> flaccid: what to look for in /var/log/messages?
[04:39] <ppibburr> i had same issues, when i upgraded, but they were unique to my card, which is different
[04:39] <flaccid> alakhia: pastebin it so i can lok
[04:39] <alakhia> want the whole thing?
[04:39] <alakhia> flaccid: ok
[04:39] <alakhia> !pastebin
[04:40] <alakhia> give me a minute ... have to copy to desktop from laptop via thumb drive
[04:40] <flaccid> ok
[04:40] <robf_> everytime my screensaver comes on,  the dialogue to enter my pw and such doesn't showe up,  but I have to type it in just the same,  i just cannot see it
[04:41] <ppibburr> tricky :)
[04:41] <Ketrel> firecrotch: I'm going to try asking in KDE and HAL
[04:41] <firecrotch> Ketrel:  Alrighty.  Otherwise, if you get no answer from #hal, maybe try the hal mailing list
[04:43] <nimrod> non of theese syntax are working....should i write in Ubuntu IRC ?
[04:43] <alakhia> ok, thanks ppibburr
[04:44] <flaccid> nimrod: whats not working?
[04:44] <nimrod> flaccid: i try to register
[04:44] <xchiamiov> nimrod: did you get anything from the nickserv when you did "/ns help register"?
[04:44] <flaccid> nimrod: its /msg nickserv register <password>
[04:46] <nimrod> i got it now i think
[04:46] <Ketrel> Ok, here's a different question, in Windows I can drag a picture from firefox to a folder and it will safe it to that folder, is there any way I can replicate this behavior in KDE (3)?
[04:46] <alakhia> flaccid: this is /var/log/messages http://pastebin.com/d7f76dbab
[04:47] <alakhia> And: http://pastebin.com/m5f63764b
[04:48] <flaccid> thanks
[04:48] <xchiamiov> Ketrel: it works for me dragging to konqueror or the desktop, but not dolphin
[04:49] <flaccid> alakhia: this log is after at least 1 attempt to connect?
[04:49] <Ketrel> ok, lemme try opening konquerer
[04:49] <alakhia> flaccid: probably more
[04:50] <flaccid> yeah i think this could be a bug
[04:50] <flaccid> is it eth0 or eth1?
[04:50] <firecrotch> !adeptfix
[04:50] <flaccid> which release is this again alakhia
[04:50] <flaccid> upgraded to hardy?
[04:50] <alakhia> wireless is eth1
[04:50] <Ketrel> xchiamiov: does it keep the filename, or make you rename it?
[04:50] <alakhia> yup
[04:50] <joel> Hello everyone
[04:50] <alakhia> ethernet is eth0
[04:50] <alakhia> previous releases also gave me trouble
[04:51] <xchiamiov> Ketrel: it asks me for a name, true
[04:51] <joel> I am looking at System Settings (KDE4 Kubuntu 8.04) and I can't find the button to become Admin/Root.... Where is it?
[04:51] <flaccid> alakhia: yep i've had this before as well. semi-intermittant
[04:51] <agate> flaccid: ups...i lost the syntax....it was working, but i copied over it...can you tell me the syntax again?
[04:51] <xchiamiov> Ketrel: you're looking for a way to not have to enter a name?
[04:51] <flaccid> agate: for what?
[04:52] <Ketrel> xchiamiov: damn, when I do that, it then says it can't copy some temp file, and xchiamiov: yes
[04:52] <agate> flaccid: to register nickname
[04:52] <alakhia> flaccid: and suspending also messed up networking for me. My hack was to do: /etc/inid.d/networking restart
[04:52] <flaccid> agate: /msg nickserv register <password>
[04:52] <xchiamiov> Ketrel: hmm, actually tested it myself and I get a 0KB file
[04:52] <agate> flaccid: thanks
[04:52] <flaccid> alakhia: have/did you find the interface going up/down a bit?
[04:53] <xchiamiov> Ketrel: but anyways, if you're downloading a bunch of images, there's a nifty extension called downloadthemall you might try
[04:53] <alakhia> flaccid: not sure how I would see that. I didn't run ifup or ifdown myself
[04:53] <flaccid> alakhia: knetworkmanager would notify
[04:53] <alakhia> flaccid: don't think it did that
[04:54] <flaccid> alakhia: look at the log now, note the last entry. then select the network in knetworkmanager and let me know what sort of messages go in the log
[04:54] <agate> how can i set a password?
[04:54] <Ketrel> xchiamiov: unfortunately they're not all on a page, I open the ones want normally and then drag to folder and close tab, and repeat
[04:54] <ppibburr> passwd
[04:55] <flaccid> agate: password for?
[04:55] <agate> flaccid: for my nick
[04:55] <joel> How do I become root in System Settings???
[04:55] <alakhia> flaccid: if my router reboots ... then I'll probably disappear from here as well
[04:55] <alakhia> but i'll be back
[04:55] <flaccid> agate: /msg nickserv set password <password>
[04:56] <flaccid> alakhia: ok. also what make/model is the router/ap ?
[04:56] <agate> thanks flaccid
[04:56] <flaccid> np
[04:56] <xchiamiov> Ketrel: yeah, I can't find anything, sorry
[04:56] <Ketrel> xchiamiov: no worries
[04:57] <Ketrel> it doesn't compare to my main problem
[04:57] <flaccid> joel: you can run system settings under root like this: kdesudo systemsettings -caption "%c" %i %m
[04:57] <Ketrel> which is that I fudged up my winxp machine with SP3
[04:57] <joel> flaccid, why kdesudo? why not sudo alone???
[04:57] <firecrotch> joel:  kdesudo is used for graphical applications, sudo should only be used on the command line
[04:57] <xchiamiov> joel: it's a good idea to use kdesudo for graphic apps
[04:57] <xchiamiov> ^^
[04:58] <joel> ohh
[04:58] <xchiamiov> otherwise it can screw with permissions and such
[04:58] <firecrotch> sudo, if I recall correctly, messes up file permissions
[04:58] <flaccid> yeah sudo is cli only. there are possible problems using it with gui apps
[04:58] <firecrotch> hehe I guess I recall correctly
[04:59] <joel> flaccid, I run kdesudo systemsettings -caption "%c" %i %m and receive a notification box that says Command not found
[05:00] <joel> flaccid, The help file says theres a "Administrator" button... But I can't find it anywhere....
[05:00] <ppibburr> its there :)
[05:00] <aaroncampbell> as per a suggestion in here, I used nvidia-settings to configure my dual screen setup.  Unfortunately, I can't seem to get it how I used to have it.  Now it's like one giant desktep (3360x1050), and it used to be two seperate desktops (1680x1050 & 1680x1050).  Any idea how I can do that again?)
[05:00] <joel> where?
[05:01] <ppibburr> just out of display on the widget
[05:01] <flaccid> joel: sorry there are quotes in there. kdesudo systemsettings should be suffice
[05:01] <alakhia_> am back
[05:01] <joel> flaccid, returns same error
[05:01] <ppibburr> i used to have to tab and guess my way to it, if you got the the same problem
[05:01] <flaccid> joel: if the admin button is gone on relevant snap ins, its most likely a bug
[05:02] <alakhia_> flaccid: only saw one line show up in /var/log/messages
[05:02] <joel> flaccid, yea must be a bug
[05:02] <flaccid> alakhia_: link not ready?
[05:02] <flaccid> joel: um kdesudo systemsettings should work
[05:02] <joel> nope
[05:02] <flaccid> joel: what does which systemsettings return ?
[05:02] <alakhia_> flaccid: dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/eth1 for sub-path eth1.dbus.get.reason
[05:03] <joel> I am coping and paste exactly what you typed
[05:03] <aaroncampbell> My xorg.conf: http://paste2.org/p/26024
[05:03] <joel> joel@BlackBird:~$ which systemsettings /usr/lib/kde4/bin/systemsettings
[05:03] <alakhia_> flaccid: any idea what is going on?
[05:03] <alakhia_> i have no clue
[05:04] <flaccid> joel: try kdesudo `which systemsettings`
[05:04] <joel> that worked :)
[05:04] <flaccid> cool
[05:06] <flaccid> alakhia_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dhcdbd/+bug/93360 and http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=opera&rls=en&hs=5GG&q=dhcdbd%3A+message_handler%3A+message+handler+not+found+under+%2Fcom%2Fredhat%2Fdhcp%2Feth1+for+sub-path+eth1.dbus.get.reason&btnG=Search
[05:09] <alakhia_> flaccid: so this is a known bug? can I do anything about it?
[05:11] <flaccid> alakhia_: don't think so until they fix the bug. the last comment on that bug report pretty much says it all
[05:14] <GothicD3vil> somebody here with compiz?
[05:17] <TerminalVelocity> how many out there use sudo instead of creating a separate root account?
[05:17] <hydrogen> lolwut?
[05:17] <flaccid> TerminalVelocity: hopefully everyone. root is there by default.
[05:17] <alakhia_> flaccid: ok, thanks for your help!
[05:18] <TerminalVelocity> flaccid: so, i've got a general sudo question...
[05:18] <alakhia_> wonder how it worked the first time ... i'll try reinstalling again. That's what I did when I upgraded to fiesty.
[05:18] <TerminalVelocity> if my regular account is comprimised by a hacker...then couldn't he/she use my password to gain access to sudo
[05:19] <flaccid> alakhia_: np
[05:19] <hydrogen> TerminalVelocity: yep
[05:19] <flaccid> TerminalVelocity: well if they have your password and you are in the admin group then they effectively  have sudo and root access and can also set/change the actual root password with sudo passwd root
[05:19] <hydrogen> TerminalVelocity: the thought is that it's a whole lot harder to bruteforce guess a username + password
[05:20] <hydrogen> then it is to just bruteforce guess a password
[05:20] <hydrogen> of course
[05:20] <hydrogen> it would be much easier just to disable remote root logins
[05:20] <TerminalVelocity> hydrogen: so, would it be better to disable sudo and set up a root account instead
[05:20] <hydrogen> no.
[05:20] <hydrogen> I just said why
[05:20] <flaccid> nope.
[05:20] <hydrogen> everyone knows the name of the root account
[05:20] <hydrogen> if you disabled remote root logins
[05:20] <hydrogen> then it would be exactly the same
[05:20] <hydrogen> security wise
[05:20] <flaccid> simply use a strong password and its about as secure as you can get. the point of failure is the password
[05:21] <hydrogen> well
[05:21] <hydrogen> and don't run a ssh daemon if you don't use it
[05:21] <flaccid> and/or consider using a strong vpn..
[05:24] <TerminalVelocity> hydrogen: how does one disable remote root logins
[05:25] <hydrogen> its some option in ssh_config
[05:25] <flaccid> http://www.go2linux.org/disable-ssh-root-direct-login
[05:25] <GothicD3vil> somebody with compiz here?
[05:25] <TerminalVelocity> flaccid: cool, thanks!!
[05:25] <flaccid> np
[05:30] <Nyad> Hi. I am using KDE3 and ive been fiddling with different themes and icon themes. but now when i boot, kicker doesnt start up automatically and when I try log out I can only log out, no restart or shutdown
[05:30] <flaccid> Nyad: are you still using kdm?
[05:30] <Nyad> eys
[05:30] <Nyad> yes
[05:31] <flaccid> but when you call kicker manually it works?
[05:32] <Nyad> it works, except when I click log out it only has has the logout option
[05:34] <flaccid> thats weird. those buttons only dissappear when you start X manually
[05:34] <flaccid> but you believe playing around with themese could of damages something?
[05:35] <Nyad> well thats the only thing I've done since then, but I did install kde-tweak last night and then I removed it
[05:35] <flaccid> what is kde-tweak?
[05:35] <flaccid> !info kde-tweak
[05:35] <flaccid> interesting
[05:36] <flaccid> Nyad: try for help in #kde , im not sure where to start with this one
[05:36] <Nyad> I found it useless
[05:36] <Nyad> ok thanks :)
[05:36] <flaccid> i guess its possible that it borked something which is unfortunate
[05:36] <Nyad> what do you mean borked?
[05:36] <flaccid> broken
[05:38] <firecrotch> Nyad:  can you give me the output of "groups" please?
[05:38] <firecrotch> Nyad:  I think you someone ended up out of the admins group
[05:39] <Nyad> ok how do I do that?
[05:39] <Nyad> $ groups?
[05:39] <firecrotch> yes
[05:39] <Nyad> jason adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev fuse lpadmin admin
[05:39] <firecrotch> Well that blows that theory...
[05:40] <firecrotch> Nyad:  Do you have kde4 installed at all?
[05:40] <firecrotch> or only kde3?
[05:40] <Nyad> only kde3
[05:41] <Nyad> it must be a problem induced by kde-tweak
[05:41] <firecrotch> I will see if kde-tweak does it to me
[05:42] <flaccid> yeah, similar comment on http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/tweaK?content=51170 about it - slightly dif but
[05:43] <firecrotch> flaccid:  I was just about to point to that lol
[05:44] <Nyad> it seems that has some of the solution
[05:45] <flaccid> Nyad: i reckon you disabled it in the panel tab of tweak then remove it
[05:45] <flaccid> you probably need to reinstall it and fix it up
[05:45] <flaccid> so edit the panel and global tabs of tweak which relate to your problem..
[05:47] <Nyad> flaccid: appears to have done it automatically but I will have to install it again to fix it like you said
[05:48] <Nyad> flaccid: ok kicker now starts up
[05:48] <Nyad> that site fixed it
[05:48] <flaccid> the site fixed it?
[05:48] <flaccid> what did you actually do
[05:48] <Nyad> delete the file in here ~/.kde/share/autostart
[05:49] <Nyad> but still no shutdown or restart in logout meny
[05:49] <Nyad> menu
[05:50] <flaccid> um, you don't want to delete the Autostart folder, but you can remove the scripts in it..
[05:50] <flaccid> and probably need to install tweak and re enable the buttons which is in the global panel
[05:50] <Nyad> I kept the folder, just delete the one file in it
[05:51] <flaccid> cool
[05:52] <firecrotch> Nyad:  Can you pastebin the contents of ~/.kde/share/config/ksmserverrc  please?
[05:52] <Nyad> ah heres the problem, kde-tweak, by default disables shutdown and restart from logout dialog
[05:52] <Nyad> problem fixed
[05:52] <Nyad> completely
[05:52] <firecrotch> Nyad:  And then uninstalling it of COURSE doesn't change it back like it should
[05:52] <flaccid> it does hmm
[05:53] <flaccid> uninstall shouldn't change it back nor should install
[05:53] <Nyad> still gotta test it
[05:54] <firecrotch> flaccid:  I think he's still gonna have problems
[05:54] <flaccid> maybe
[05:54] <aaroncampbell> as per a suggestion in here, I used nvidia-settings to configure my dual screen setup.  Unfortunately, I can't seem to get it how I used to have it.  Now it's like one giant desktep (3360x1050), and it used to be two seperate desktops (1680x1050 & 1680x1050).  Any idea how I can do that again?)
[05:54] <aaroncampbell> My xorg.conf: http://paste2.org/p/26024
[05:54] <flaccid> i think you are right about it doing it by default which is not good
[05:55] <firecrotch> Definitely not good
[05:55] <Nyad> I removed it and all is well
[05:55] <Nyad> the off and on was me logging out to test
[05:55] <firecrotch> Nyad: congrats
[05:55] <flaccid> i have not restarted kde yet but i goto the tweak applet and show turn off computer, restart buttons is unchecked!
[05:56] <Nyad> yeah they set that as the default
[05:56] <Nyad> well I must be off, thanks a ton guys
[05:56] <firecrotch> Nyad:  You're welcome
[05:56] <flaccid> well kde-tweak is reminding me of envy or automatix..
[05:56] <flaccid> np
[05:56] <firecrotch> flaccid:  I can't even figure out how to get into kde-tweak lol
[05:56] <flaccid> cia0
[05:57] <flaccid> firecrotch: its a kcontrol snap in
[05:57] <firecrotch> Ah
[05:57] <flaccid> :) i found that out by looking at the package contents lol
[05:58] <firecrotch> What the hell? Alt+F2 doesn't bring up the run dialog
[05:58] <flaccid> check shortcuts, maybe winkeys is on
[05:58] <firecrotch> It used to work just fine....
[05:59] <Nyad> you have to run,  tweak in the run menu. when you get that working that is
[05:59] <firecrotch> and wow, that is definitely a messed up default config for kde-tweak
[05:59] <flaccid> ah so you saying kde-tweak did it firecrotch?
[05:59] <flaccid> !kde-tweak
[06:00] <firecrotch> flaccid:  I'm not sure, I rarely use alt+f2 for anything
[06:00] <flaccid> !tweak
[06:00] <firecrotch> Last time I used it was when I was setting up compiz, which was.... a long time ago
[06:00] <flaccid> ubottu: check the shortcut?
[06:02] <firecrotch> Desktop: Run Command: Alt + F2
[06:02] <flaccid> what a rip!
[06:05] <firecrotch> Eh, no big deal, I never use it anyways
[06:06] <firecrotch> flaccid:  You use kde4 at all?
[06:08] <brinks> can I use synaptic to install madwifi for my toshiba laptop ? or do i use apt-get in a shell ?
[06:09] <davf> can anyone help me with a problem with sound only playing on one side? It only started after installing hardy.
[06:09] <firecrotch> brinks:  toshiba laptop? I'm the guy to ask here.  What model?
[06:09] <flaccid> firecrotch: yeah but its not good enough
[06:10] <firecrotch> flaccid:  any major problems?
[06:10] <flaccid> brinks: synaptic is fine
[06:10] <brinks> firecrotch a135 satallite 2426
[06:10] <flaccid> firecrotch: yeah
[06:10] <firecrotch> brinks:  What wireless card are you using?
[06:10] <flaccid> bugs + lack of features
[06:10] <firecrotch> flaccid:  Does it look pretty though?
[06:10] <brinks> firecrotch . it a built in card ?
[06:11] <flaccid> yeah it looks ok but its still early despite the fact its in prod
[06:11] <davf> Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02)
[06:11] <firecrotch> brinks:  Yes, I need the model of it though.... from a terminal: lspci | grep 802.11
[06:12] <brinks> firecrotch.. ok but i will have to turn of this vista crap to dual boot back into linux..i can go to the toshiba site and find t
[06:12] <firecrotch> davf:  Check the settings in alsamixer
[06:13] <flaccid> davf: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[06:13] <flaccid> what a pain..
[06:13] <davf> I have and they act wierd if I move the slider on the bottom it changes the master volume
[06:13] <firecrotch> flaccid:  Most of that is fixed in Hardy
[06:13] <flaccid> half my help in this channel is just googling heh
[06:13] <flaccid> ah ok
[06:14] <firecrotch> brinks:  as long as I know what card it is, I can help you get it set up :)
[06:14] <brinks> firecrotch; gimme a second ok.. i am on a free lonpoc.CA` wireless , its slow as sh1t ..but free
[06:15] <firecrotch> brinks:  free is always good ;)
[06:15] <brinks> firecrotch: yes in school i got cable.. but free as you said .nice
[06:15] <davf> whats the name of the console app to control the mixing?
[06:16] <firecrotch> davf:  alsamixer
[06:21] <einar> hallo
[06:21] <brinks> firecrotch`: Integrated Wi-Fi compliant wireless: Atheros 802.11b/g wireless-LAN
[06:21] <dwidmann> hi
[06:22] <flaccid> hmm
[06:23] <flaccid> brinks: are you trying madwifi yet?
[06:23] <aaroncampbell> Wasn't there a emerald-themes package before?
[06:24] <KevInAlaska> hello everyone... :) On Hardy, I can't seem to find SMB and NFS to install through Adept... is this not the way to install it?
[06:24] <flaccid> aaroncampbell: probably
[06:24] <flaccid> !samba | KevInAlaska
[06:24] <flaccid> !nfs | KevInAlaska
[06:24] <aaroncampbell> flaccid: what happened to it?  I don't see it now
[06:25] <flaccid> aaroncampbell: what release are you on?
[06:25] <flaccid> brinks: http://madwifi.org/wiki/Compatibility/Atheros
[06:25] <brinks> flaccid: no i have just installed the kubuntu . and was reading about madwifi to fix the issue ? was wondering if it is in a package on ubuntu site before i make install etc
[06:25] <firecrotch> brinks:  madwifi will not work with that card
[06:25] <aaroncampbell> flaccid: hardy
[06:25] <flaccid> brinks: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Madwifi
[06:25] <flaccid> what model is the card sorry
[06:26] <KevInAlaska> thank you... :)
[06:26] <brinks> firecrotch.. ok where is my next help lol
[06:26] <firecrotch> brinks: wait, sorry, it may, actually.  I need the exact model number.  You can probably get it from the Vista Device Manager
[06:26] <brinks> firecrotch one second on my way to look .. brb
[06:26] <davf> ok... I think the problem is kdm mixer. How do I enable seperate channel volume control in kmx?
[06:27] <davf> sorry kmix
[06:27] <firecrotch> How can I run a second X server on a virtual terminal?
[06:28] <CYREX> startx
[06:28] <CYREX> i think thats what you mean
[06:28] <firecrotch> CYREX:  No that doesn't work, since X is running on tty7 already
[06:29] <flaccid> i think its something like startx -- :1
[06:29] <CYREX> yes
[06:29] <CYREX> thats why i said startx
[06:29] <CYREX> startx -- :1
[06:29] <CYREX> startx SPACE -- SPACE :1
[06:29] <CYREX> or :2
[06:29] <CYREX> or :x from 0 to 5 i think
[06:29] <flaccid> !enter | CYREX
[06:30] <firecrotch> Thanks guys!
[06:30] <flaccid> sorry..
[06:30] <CYREX> wasnt using at punctuation was just explaining better sorry
[06:30] <flaccid> all good. i do it  alot too
[06:31] <CYREX> btw how can i send a direct message to somebody
[06:31] <Souseiseki> hi
[06:31] <CYREX> like ubottu did right now
[06:31] <flaccid> CYREX: on irc?
[06:31] <Souseiseki> is there really a way I can have real 5.1 sound on my emu10k1?
[06:31] <CYREX> yes like that
[06:31] <CYREX> Sou: I tried the same
[06:31] <flaccid> a private message or get ubottu to do something?
[06:32] <CYREX> i have a 7.1 here but i cant get my audigy se to work, all speakers sound the same
[06:32] <Souseiseki> same :/
[06:32] <Souseiseki> but i have a live 5.1
[06:32] <CYREX> no i mean like what u just did, Red message
[06:32] <CYREX> new to irc sorry
[06:32] <flaccid> konversation hightlights you nickname in read automatically
[06:32] <flaccid> you can press tab to autocomplete nicknames
[06:33] <flaccid> * i mean highlights in red for you automatically
[06:33] <CYREX> woww nice
[06:33] <CYREX> omggg cool
[06:33] <CYREX> many thanks
[06:33] <flaccid> konversation is mad :)
[06:33] <flaccid> np
[06:33] <CYREX> flaccid: this rocks
[06:34] <Souseiseki> wish the wiki had some guide on getting 4/5.1/7.1 to work :/
[06:34] <CYREX> can you hear sound on all speakers?
[06:34] <Souseiseki> just the front two
[06:34] <davf> Ok, fixed that problem was that alsamixer shows no right channel but not in kmix.
[06:35] <CYREX> a ok let me go look what package i installed for that
[06:35] <CYREX> give me a sec
[06:35] <Souseiseki> but if i turn up the sigmatel surround slider the pcm gets cloned into the back
[06:35] <flaccid> !audigy
[06:35] <Souseiseki> but it is not controlled with the master volume
[06:35] <Souseiseki> it is cloned of the front two speakers and seems 'independent', not true 4/5.1
[06:35] <CYREX> ld10k1
[06:35] <CYREX> thats the one
[06:35] <davf> Anyone using a fingerprint reader with kubuntu?
[06:35] <Souseiseki> games like darkplaces and enemy territory quake wars detect only 2 speakers
[06:36] <CYREX> dependency with liblo10k1-0
[06:36] <flaccid> et uses OSS, not alsa that might be why
[06:36] <flaccid> whats darkplaces, just out of interest?
[06:36] <Souseiseki> some quake engine
[06:36] <Souseiseki> it has multi channel support for audio
[06:36] <Souseiseki> nexuiz uses it
[06:36] <Souseiseki> some game i'm making in the future also uses it
[06:37] <aaroncampbell> as per a suggestion in here, I used nvidia-settings to configure my dual screen setup.  Unfortunately, I can't seem to get it how I used to have it.  Now it's like one giant desktep (3360x1050), and it used to be two seperate desktops (1680x1050 & 1680x1050).  Any idea how I can do that again?) My xorg.conf: http://paste2.org/p/26024
[06:37] <flaccid> nexuiz is cool...
[06:37] <flaccid> aaroncampbell: did you try #nvidia .. some guys there if awake are good at that
[06:37] <Souseiseki> i did do some things for 2.4 if you noticed the new nex beam and sparks ;D heh
[06:37] <flaccid> ah sick Souseiseki!
[06:38] <flaccid> Souseiseki: whats the component in nexuiz that enables the dif binaries for dif platforms/os ?
[06:38] <flaccid> sorry to be OT.
[06:38] <CYREX> btw, anybody know what the new way of doing dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is
[06:38] <Souseiseki> no idea
[06:38] <CYREX> since that wont configure the resolution and video card
[06:38] <flaccid> nw
[06:39] <CYREX> i mean not anymore
[06:39] <flaccid> CYREX: new way? whats your actual issue sir?
[06:39] <giacomo> !it
[06:40] <CYREX> for instance, i install the nvidia drivers, but sometimes the resolutions are not right, so i xserver-xorg and i can configure the video card and resolutions for the xorg.conf
[06:41] <flaccid> CYREX: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg should allow you to select resolutions otherwise, you can do the system settings gui or manual edit of xorg.conf
[06:41] <CYREX> but now, i install the nvidia glx and i get the "ideal resolutions" that rand thinks are good, which they are not, so i do xserver-xorg but it wont work
[06:41] <CYREX> thats what i tried
[06:41] <flaccid> where is the driver from and how recent is the video card?
[06:42] <CYREX> there was this console gui windows thing that pop when i did xserver-xorg in 7.10 but now it does no work. nvidia 6800, and i use the nvidia-glx that are right now in the repos
[06:42] <flaccid> which release of ubuntu?
[06:43] <firecrotch> Note to self: don't run multiple X servers.
[06:43] <CYREX> i have to do a X -config, go edit the xorg, test it out then copy it to the X11 place
[06:43] <CYREX> kubuntu 8.04
[06:43] <flaccid> CYREX: before we proceed, can you run kdesudo restricted-manager-kde and let me know what is there?
[06:44] <CYREX> well dont have that install
[06:45] <flaccid> CYREX: sorry i think you can get to it in system settings without installing it.
[06:45] <CYREX> btw i have the nvidia configure right, my question is only that if there is an alternative to xserver-xorg right now, something that does the same
[06:46] <CYREX> yes found it
[06:46] <CYREX> i thought it sounded familiar
[06:46] <flaccid> well no there is no alternative to it besides what i mentioned
[06:48] <CYREX> ok then, another question for the nvidia stuff, got some new linux users that install the nvidia package from the nvidia site, this package works well the minute you install it BUT after you reset the pc the xorg gives the "nvidia driver is not found" any ideas what is missing, not configure right, whoops forgot it also mentions that the kernel does not have the same version, but when i check it does have it
[06:48] <flaccid> well there is the nvidia-config / nvidia-xconfig binaries which i think can do res for xorg.conf - can't exactly remember
[06:49] <CYREX> nvidia-xconfig yes, configures the xorg
[06:49] <flaccid> hmmm if installed correctly the kernel mod should be there and be persistent. thats a bit of a weird one hmmm
[06:50] <CYREX> also install the nvidia dev package that the nvidia package needed, but that didnt help either...well just making a conversation, thanks for the tip about xserver
[06:51] <flaccid> so what does restricted manager say about the video atm?
[06:51] <Souseiseki> cool hardware midi is working
[06:51] <CYREX> give me sec ill tell you
[06:52] <CYREX> all speakers?
[06:54] <CYREX> nvidia device driver, currently on use
[06:54] <CYREX> activated
[06:54] <CYREX> all good in the restricted
[06:56] <flaccid> CYREX: and are you telling me that the system settings | display and monitor won't let you change the resolution?
[06:57] <CYREX> no no all good flaccid thanks, just wanted to know another way of configuring the monito/video card
[06:58] <flaccid> cool
[07:06] <KevInAlaska> anyone know about file sharing with Kubuntu (hardy) and a macbook (leopard)?
[07:06] <KevInAlaska> might I add.. simple home network
[07:06] <areels> what is the best jabber server for kubuntu?
[07:13] <firecrotch> KevInAlaska:  You'll probably want to use Samba
[07:14] <zeeon> is it possible to download/install konsole used in kde4 on kde 3.5.9 ?
[07:14] <KevInAlaska> firecrotch thank you, I installed samba through apt-get, just need to figure out how to see the files and share them.
[07:15] <CYREX> there is a file in /etc/samba
[07:15] <CYREX> i think is there
[07:15] <CYREX> smb.conf
[07:16] <CYREX> dont remember right now, thats the file you configure
[07:16] <firecrotch> KevInAlaska: http://kubuntu101.blogspot.com/2005/11/how-to-share-files-using-samba.html
[07:16] <firecrotch> Easiest way to set it up
[07:16] <CYREX> OR you can try firecrotch's Excellent link guid
[07:16] <CYREX> whcih includes pics and all to setup samba..try it for FREE
[07:17] <flaccid> !samba | KevInAlaska
[07:20] <ere4si> !cifs
[07:22] <KevInAlaska> firecrotch, thank you for the link. I am reading it now.
[07:22] <firecrotch> KevInAlaska:  you're welcome!
[07:23] <firecrotch> It's pretty much as simple as it is in Windows to share files/folders over a network now
[07:46] <arno> wenn ich per ssh auf 1 System draufkomme,aber nicht nach draussen pingen kann,wobei iptables leer ist,wo würdet ihr ansetzt
[07:47] <mefisto__> has anyone experienced this problem with hardy: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=677329   ??
[07:47] <flaccid> !de | arno
[07:48] <flaccid> mefisto__: hmm is there a bug on launchpad yet?
[07:49] <mefisto__> flaccid: I have no idea. I don't know how to search for bugs effectively
[07:59] <GothicD3vil> can somebody explain me for what is snort
[08:00] <ere4si> !info snort | GothicD3vil
[08:01] <GothicD3vil> which one is better the snort only or mysql and pgsql?
[08:02] <ere4si> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snort_(software)
[08:02] <GothicD3vil> thanks
[08:03] <raket> hey folks, my laptop won't recognize the livecd of Kubuntu, so how can I boot into it? under windows there was a nice option to add Kubuntu as a choice of OS in the F8 menu.. is there something similar under Kubuntu? No I don
[08:03] <raket> 't have a floppy drive
[08:04] <raket> hey folks, my laptop won't recognize the livecd of Kubuntu, so how can I boot into it? under windows there was a nice option to add Kubuntu as a choice of OS in the F8 menu.. is there something similar under Kubuntu? No I don
[08:04] <raket> [03:03] <raket> 't have a floppy drive
[08:04] <raket> ooops!
[08:05] <mistiipu>  i just got a crossover connection for a pc (for internet sharing) got working. i just change the other pc by an other and it stoped working. it says a network cable is unpluged. why is that so?
[08:05] <mefisto__> raket: do other bootable CDs boot up? maybe your CD didn't download correctly, or didn't burn properly
[08:05] <ere4si> raket: you need to set the bios to boot from the cd before the hard drive
[08:06] <raket> mefisto__ and ere4si, yes I am aware of all that, but Kubuntu still won't boot up. other cds work
[08:06] <raket> it is an old bios maybe
[08:07] <firecrotch> raket:  Are you sure the CD burned with no errors?
[08:07] <ere4si> raket: done the md5 check on the c?
[08:07] <raket> firecrotch: I already installed Kubuntu with no problem
[08:07] <ere4si> *cd
[08:07] <raket> I just wanted to reinstall it
[08:07] <raket> (don't ask why)
[08:08] <raket> but before I used the "help kubuntu boot" option through windows
[08:08] <mefisto__> raket: how are you burning the CD? k3b does a md5sum check on the iso. other than the download having errors, it might be the CD that's faulty. k3b can also verify the CD data is the same as the iso you downloaded
[08:09] <raket> mefisto__: I already did check the md5sum and the CD for errors, trust me it is all good
[08:09] <GothicD3vil> ere4si can you give me a little help in that which one is better?
[08:09] <mefisto__> raket: does the CD work on other computers?
[08:09] <raket> yes!
[08:09] <raket> :)
[08:10] <raket> I should've add that
[08:10] <ere4si> GothicD3vil: nope - I don't use them - sorry - but have heard snort is ok
[08:11] <mefisto__> raket: then I would try burning on different media. or maybe see if there is a firmware upgrade for the CD drive you are using
[08:12] <mil> is there anybody in there?
[08:12] <ere4si> raket: next is to try another cd in the drive - the cd drive could be the issue
[08:13] <raket> I've already tried using a flash drive on my laptop, and it doesn't work. my desktop PC recognizes it and boots with no problem...
[08:13] <mil> i need a good IDE for C language , can some1 recomand?
[08:13] <mil> ???
[08:14] <firecrotch> raket:  You have windows installed, correct? I think there may be a problem with your CD drive
[08:14] <flaccid> mil: eclipse
[08:14] <ere4si> is there an ide for c - I thought gcc was all there was?
[08:14] <raket> ere4si: I've already tried my DVD that came with the laptop from toshiba, and it works... firecrotch, no I have Kubuntu right now
[08:15] <flaccid> gcc is a compiler not an ide
[08:15] <mefisto__> raket: I've had old CD drives not recognising newer CDs, after finding a firmware upgrade it was able to work with more blank/burned CDs. but there is the risk the firmware upgrade can totally screw the drive
[08:15] <raket> what about Smart Boot Manager?
[08:16] <firecrotch> raket:  What model toshiba laptop is it?
[08:16] <firecrotch> err nevermind
[08:16] <ere4si> raket: if the cd is ok - the drive is ok - your bios is set to boot from the cd first then the os should load - tyhere is no problem
[08:16] <firecrotch> wait.... the toshiba laptop you mentioned... that's the computer we're talking about, right?
[08:16] <firecrotch> excuse my lack of sense right now, no sleep
[08:16] <raket> firecrotch: yes
[08:17] <firecrotch> What model is it?
[08:17] <raket> ere4si: I like your reasoning. it's perfectly wrong
[08:17] <raket> lemme see
[08:17] <ere4si> thank you :)
[08:17] <mistiipu>  i just got a crossover connection for a pc (for internet sharing) got working. i just change the other pc by an other and it stoped working. it says a network cable is unpluged. why is that so?
[08:17] <raket> Satellite A65-S1068
[08:18] <flaccid> mistiipu: its more likely hardware problem
[08:18] <fildo> or a user one
[08:19] <firecrotch> mistiipu:  which machine says that the cable is unplugged?
[08:19] <mistiipu> firecrotch the new one
[08:19] <firecrotch> Running Kubuntu?
[08:20] <raket> Smart Boot Manager is what I used when I was switching from window, so this is from its readme:
[08:20] <flaccid> mistiipu: the links lights work and the other OS has a link?
[08:20] <raket> What's the use of SBM on the CD then ?
[08:20] <raket>   SBM includes an IDE driver that allows us to boot the cds even on
[08:20] <raket>   machines with a BIOS that wouldn't support booting from CD, provided our
[08:20] <raket>   CDROM is an IDE one, that is, so you can make a SBM floppy and boot from
[08:20] <raket>   it and then tell it to boot from your CDROM.
[08:20] <raket>   Also, there are some cases where the BIOS would allow booting from the CD
[08:20] <raket>   but isolinux fails to boot from there, in this case you can either boot
[08:20] <raket>   using a CD other than the first, as the others don't use isolinux, or you
[08:20] <raket>   can make a SBM floppy and boot from this floppy and then tell SBM to boot
[08:20] <raket>   your CDROM.
[08:21] <flaccid> pastebin | raket
[08:21] <flaccid> !pastebin > raket
[08:21] <mistiipu> flaccid it says cable unpluged
[08:21] <mistiipu>  it was working for a pc before. with same settings. i changed the pc. and it stoped working............
[08:21] <raket> ok you! :)
[08:21] <flaccid> mistiipu: well hardware is known to die
[08:21] <mistiipu> what?
[08:21] <flaccid> buy a switch and use a normal cable if possible
[08:22] <flaccid> mistiipu: cables and network cards don't last forever..
[08:22] <mistiipu> flaccid the lan card will be the same.
[08:22] <firecrotch> raket:  can you give me the output of lspci that pertains to your CD-ROM drive?
[08:22] <raket> firecrotch: how do I get that?
[08:23] <raket> (by the way that's a DVD-ROM)
[08:23] <mistiipu> how to clear arp. do i need that?
[08:24] <flaccid> mistiipu: why do you need to clear the arp cache?
[08:24] <flaccid> thats not going to give you a link
[08:25] <firecrotch> raket: To be honest, I don't know how to get the info about the DVD-ROM drive from in Linux.... never had to do it before, but I'm trying to figure it out now
[08:25] <mistiipu> flaccid i changed pcs
[08:25] <raket> honesty is good. :)
[08:25] <flaccid> mistiipu: no need to ever clear arp really
[08:25] <flaccid> mistiipu: http://www.wplug.org/pipermail/wplug/2004-July/022560.html
[08:25] <raket> firecrotch: I think the answer is Smart Boot Manager
[08:26] <raket> i just have to figure out how to use it
[08:26] <firecrotch> raket:  No, I think the problem is you have a crappy DVD drive, like mine
[08:26] <firecrotch> I have a toshiba satellite, and I *always* have problems booting from CD's that I've burned
[08:27] <raket> haha
[08:27] <flaccid> yeah optical drives are not that reliable either
[08:27] <raket> I even had problem booting into a windows cd... although the toshiba DVD still works, weirdly enough
[08:27] <firecrotch> Could be that the CD laser is out of alignment
[08:28] <firecrotch> While the DVD laser is fine
[08:29] <raket> firecrotch: I actually cleaned it with a qtip and some alcohol... it reads CDs/DVDs nicely in any OS, but it has trouble booting them
[08:29] <killer88> hello is there a way to add resolutions inside kubuntu Confige Desktop?
[08:29] <raket> now, how do I install rpm files?
[08:29] <firecrotch> You don't
[08:29] <xiongchiamiov> raket: you need alien
[08:29] <raket> I found Smart Boot Manager on SourceForge
[08:29] <ere4si> !alien
[08:30] <xiongchiamiov> but I wouldn't recommend it
[08:30] <raket> so what should I do!?
[08:30] <xiongchiamiov> there are all sorts of useful triggers here, aren't there?
[08:30] <mistiipu> what i think now  is that. my pc. server. has saved some settings related to the old pc. and when i try to connect the new pc with same wire but (new pc has different lan card) it dont allows it?
[08:30] <xiongchiamiov> raket: I'm assuming there is no .deb file
[08:30] <raket> no
[08:30] <xiongchiamiov> raket: they provide source though, right?
[08:30] <firecrotch> raket:  I would compile it over using alien any day of the week
[08:30] <raket> here
[08:31] <raket> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=4185&package_id=4201&release_id=25481
[08:31] <raket> I think they do
[08:31] <xiongchiamiov> raket: grab the .tar.gz
[08:31] <raket> ok
[08:31] <xiongchiamiov> raket: you know how to install from source?
[08:32] <raket> I vaguelly remember
[08:32] <raket> but not really
[08:32] <killer88> ne one know how to add section in configure desktop that allows changing the resolution??
[08:32] <xiongchiamiov> raket: http://monkeyblog.org/ubuntu/installing/#source
[08:32] <raket> ok
[08:36] <killer88> ne one know how to add section in configure desktop that allows changing the resolution??
[08:37] <mefisto__> add section in configure desktop?
[08:38] <killer88> yes
[08:38] <killer88> is not there
[08:39] <mefisto__> killer88: what are you talking about? what is "configure desktop" that you want to add to?
[08:39] <killer88> there is no place in kubuntu to change resolution i guess
[08:39] <killer88> using nvidia driver
[08:40] <mefisto__> killer88: systemsettings > monitor and display
[08:41] <killer88> ok lol no effect
[08:42] <raket> alright, I've been trying to complie from source for awhile now
[08:42] <killer88> it ask if i want to keep the setting with no resolution changes
[08:42] <raket> I went to the correct directory
[08:42] <killer88> ok brb
[08:42] <raket> and I enter ./configure
[08:42] <firecrotch> raket:  dependency problems?
[08:42] <raket> and it says "no such file or directory"
[08:42] <mefisto__> killer88: there's also krandrtray, but sounds like your xorg.conf needs tweaking
[08:43] <raket> I also installed build-essential
[08:43] <raket> and nothing
[08:44] <raket> any ideas?
[08:44] <ere4si> can you paste the output of   ls -a   of that dir?
[08:45] <firecrotch> there's no configure script
[08:45] <raket> ok
[08:45] <firecrotch> raket:  read the INSTALL file
[08:45] <robf_> raket, firecrotch or it's not got executable permissions =s  although that'd be odd
[08:46] <firecrotch> robf_:  It doesn't have the file.... I downloaded it :)
[08:46] <robf_> ah ok
[08:46] <robf_> just good to be sure :p
[08:46] <raket> so what to do now?
[08:46] <raket> maybe use the rpm!?
[08:46] <firecrotch> NO
[08:46] <robf_> hahah
[08:46] <raket> :)
[08:46] <firecrotch> Read the INSTALL file
[08:46] <raket> ok ok
[08:46] <robf_> try this '$  cat INSTALL'
[08:46] <robf_> or less... or whatever you prefer
[08:47] <firecrotch> more!
[08:47] <robf_> firecrotch: gross.
[08:47] <Choreboy> Can anyone tell me how to get write privileges to lilo.conf file? I need to modify it so I can boot to XP also
[08:47] <firecrotch> robf_:  Just kidding, I hate more
[08:47] <robf_> Choreboy: be root and make it so
[08:47] <robf_> firecrotch: I hate more more
[08:47] <Choreboy> I haven't been able to log in to root from the login screen
[08:47] <firecrotch> robf_:  I hate more less... more or less
[08:47] <robf_> Choreboy: sudo -i
[08:47] <ere4si> kdesudo kate /path/to/file
[08:48] <robf_> heh I gotta get used to telling people the wm/DE way to do things ><
[08:48] <robf_> gentoo usage makes my brain think only in console
[08:48] <firecrotch> robf_:  Yeah
[08:48] <ere4si> sudo nano would do as well
[08:49] <firecrotch> robf_:  My brain has been in console since I started with Linux almost 3 years ago... I started with Gentoo
[08:49] <robf_> firecrotch: I run KDE so I can use konsole
[08:49] <robf_> :-\
[08:49] <Choreboy> would my file path be /root/etc/lilo.conf ?
[08:49] <robf_> Choreboy: /boot/lilo/lilo.conf or /boot/lilo.conf
[08:49] <robf_> also depending on how you set yours up,  or whatever you're using,   you may wish to mount boot first... if it isn't
[08:49] <robf_> mine doesn't on boot.
[08:49] <ere4si> Choreboy: more like /boot/lilo/lilo.conf - browse to it first
[08:50] <Choreboy> my lilo.conf is inside the /etc
[08:50] <robf_> Choreboy: really?  strange,  I've not used lilo in years
[08:50] <robf_> any reason you're not using grub?
[08:50] <robf_> just wondering.
[08:50] <Choreboy> XFS file system
[08:50] <ere4si> Choreboy: then try   locate lilo.conf
[08:50] <robf_> a form of self flaggelation?
[08:50] <robf_> ah ok
[08:50] <Choreboy> GRUB hangs when you use XFS
[08:50] <robf_> Choreboy: first 'sudo updatedb'
[08:51] <robf_> Choreboy: yeh
[08:51] <robf_> when is kde gonna get a clippy so we can just ask it where stuff is =)
[08:51]  * robf_ hides.
[08:51] <ere4si> hehe
[08:51] <ere4si> !grub
[08:51]  * firecrotch falls out of chair laughing
[08:52] <robf_> also Choreboy<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:53] <Choreboy> robf_: thanks, that may be too advance for me at the moment
[08:54] <Choreboy> robf_: I'm still getting my feet wet with *nix
[08:54] <robf_> heh,
[08:54] <robf_> why'd you choose xfs,  just wondering.
[08:54] <Choreboy> just heard it had a higher throughput rate and I'll take any performance advantage I can get on this old beast
[08:54] <robf_> hahah I doubt it'll be noticeable
[08:55] <Choreboy> meh probably not. I HAD Xubuntu on here to try to keep it even lighter
[08:55] <robf_> unless you're doing a lot of drive hammering which if its a archiac piece,  prolly won't be able to do anything that'd actually get performance results from it
[08:55] <robf_> Choreboy: want some pain?   install gentoo on a p 133
[08:56] <Choreboy> hahahaa no thanks
[08:56] <Choreboy> although on something that old Gentoo might be the way to go
[08:56] <robf_> sleep,  look,  compiling,  work, sleep,  look, compiling,  work, look, sleep,  compiling...
[08:56] <Choreboy> I heard it compiles for like 3 days
[08:56] <robf_> 1 week later,  you have a functional desktop
[08:56] <robf_> on a p133 it would
[08:56] <Choreboy> oh my
[08:56] <robf_> well for kde et al
[08:56] <robf_> although it'd be hard to use
[08:57] <Choreboy> well it's either that or Windows 3.1 :-)
[08:57] <robf_> psht,  98 will run on it
[08:57] <Choreboy> for something that old
[08:57] <raket> firecrotch: how do I add the UCL library(http://wildsau.idv.uni-linz.ac.at/mfx/ucl.html) ?
[08:57] <Choreboy> Why would you bother with something so old? No money for anything better?
[08:57] <robf_> hahah
[08:58] <robf_> I dunno
[08:58] <Choreboy> lol I think I've seen some free computers on craigslist that were better specs
[08:58] <ere4si> they make ok gateways
[08:58] <robf_> because it was sitting in my floor collecting dust
[08:58] <firecrotch> raket: sudo apt-get install libucl
[08:58] <raket> cool
[08:58] <Choreboy> should be in a museum getting ooohs and aaaahs from kids who know not of anything before P4
[08:58] <robf_> this box is a q6600 C2Q<EMAIL_ADDRESS>x 435FSB ,  4gb 1600 DD3 2xHD3870 ATI crossfired,
[08:59] <Choreboy> I would love something with good specs but I got downsized so a new computer is not high priority
[08:59] <robf_> on an asus maximus extreme mobo
[08:59] <Choreboy> q6600 is quad right?
[08:59] <robf_> yep
[08:59] <firecrotch> raket:  Actually I think libucl1 is the one you're looking for... that link that you pasted is broken...
[09:00] <Choreboy> that's some mighty fine specs indeed. I think I might stay in my apartment if I had that
[09:00] <robf_> http://www.maj.com/gallery/robeph/robf/02-11-08_2123-2.jpg bad pic but this is her.
[09:00] <Choreboy> I do wishlist builds on newegg all the time
[09:00] <Choreboy> they usually end up similar to that
[09:00] <robf_> heh,  I did that,  and then bought it over about 2 months
[09:00] <raket> firecrotch: libucl1 is already the newest version.
[09:00] <robf_> christmas assisted
[09:01] <robf_> has nine fans and is a horrible dustmagnet ,  I use dryer sheets over the intakes to keep that rot out
[09:01] <firecrotch> raket:  Hmm... then it must be a different library
[09:01] <raket> hold on, I might be able to install this
[09:02] <Choreboy> nine loud fans? dryer sheets would make it smell lovely
[09:03] <firecrotch> raket: libuclmmbase1 is the package
[09:03] <robf_> hahah it sucks the smell outta the sheets in about 45 minutes...  http://www.maj.com/gallery/robeph/Misc/photo_72.jpg  here's an archaic piece of electronics for ya,  running redhate at that time,  gentoo was a chore on it as well
[09:03] <raket> ok
[09:04] <firecrotch> raket:  You might also need libuclmmbase1-dev
[09:04] <robf_> http://www.maj.com/gallery/robeph/Misc/random_stuff_023.jpg and another... it's down at the bottom
[09:04] <robf_> what're you trying to build anyhow raket
[09:05] <Choreboy> robf_: beauty.
[09:05] <Choreboy> Anyway what was the command for kate to open that file? I got it wrong and Konsole yelled at me
[09:05] <flaccid> dlink ouch
[09:05] <robf_> Choreboy: kate?
[09:05] <flaccid> Choreboy: kate filename
[09:05] <raket> robf_: don't ask! :)
[09:06] <robf_> gvim > kate
[09:06] <flaccid> if the file location has spaces enclose in "
[09:06] <ere4si> kdesudo kate /path/to/file
[09:06] <robf_> or file\ with\ spaces
[09:06] <ere4si> hehe
[09:06] <Choreboy> raket: what model DLINK? I just hacked mine with a firmware from one of their new generations
[09:06] <Choreboy> same chipset.
[09:07] <Choreboy> I also put DD-WRT on a Linksys someone gave me but I could only do the Micro version
[09:07] <firecrotch> Ouch, DD-WRT Micro sucks :(
[09:08] <flaccid> i run wrt-54gl w/ dd-wrt vpn
[09:08] <raket> Choreboy: what!?
[09:08] <raket> :)
[09:08] <Choreboy> raket:
[09:08] <robf_> heh we installed asterisk on a wrt54g
[09:08] <Choreboy> raket: what what?
[09:08] <raket> haha, you used my nick by mistake
[09:08] <crazy_bus> I'm looking for a old second hand video card for my young brother.  I was looking at a GeForce4 Ti4400 and a ATI 9250.  Which of these would work best on kubuntu?
[09:08] <Choreboy> firecrotch: I assume Micro is better than OEM firmware on it
[09:09] <robf_> oh Choreboy ya talking bout in that pic?
[09:09] <firecrotch> Choreboy:  True
[09:10] <flaccid> robf_: how did it go?
[09:10] <robf_> flaccid: asterisk?
[09:10] <flaccid> crazy_bus: i recommend the nvidia
[09:10] <flaccid> yeah
[09:10] <robf_> flaccid: heh well it was with some digium guys,
[09:10] <robf_> flaccid: so it was really hackedu p,  but it worked
[09:10] <flaccid> ok fair enough :)
[09:10] <robf_> had a sipura connected and it was changed to adhoc
[09:10] <raket> firecrotch: I still haven't built btmgr
[09:10] <robf_> so you could make phone calls from it with it in your backpack hooked up to a battery ;p
[09:11] <robf_> if you were in range of a AP
[09:11] <firecrotch> raket:  Still having problems ??
[09:11] <raket> I can't install it, some errors show up
[09:11] <robf_> pastbin em
[09:11] <raket> did you install it by any chance?
[09:11] <Choreboy> robf_: No protocol specified &  kdesudo: cannot connect to X server :0.0
[09:11] <firecrotch> raket: I didn't install it, no
[09:11] <robf_> Choreboy:  eh?
[09:12] <robf_> Choreboy: for what...
[09:12] <Choreboy> kate & the lilo.conf file
[09:12] <flaccid> nice robf
[09:12] <robf_> o
[09:12] <robf_> heh ,
[09:12] <flaccid> Choreboy: try doing it from alt+f2 . seems that its having troubles
[09:12] <firecrotch> raket:  Did you do what the INSTALL file said and edit the makefile ?
[09:12] <crazy_bus> flaccid: so the legacy binary driver for nvidia would be better than the open source reverse engendered ati?
[09:12] <robf_> Choreboy: I dunno,  I'm not good with guis...  just sudo nano -w /etc/lilo.conf
[09:13] <robf_> crazy_bus: I run 2x hd3870 ati's with no probs
[09:13] <robf_> kde4/kubuntu
[09:13] <flaccid> crazy_bus: well fglrx would be better than the xorg ati but nvidia generally is better imo in terms of support (even though im on ati atm)
[09:13] <crazy_bus> flaccid: so they support legacy cards?
[09:14] <robf_> crazy_bus: nvidia driver = same for I think everything but the old riva/tnt card
[09:14] <flaccid> there is nvidia-legacy if needed
[09:14] <flaccid> nvidia-glx-legacy
[09:14] <flaccid> but the normal one or even the glx-new should work
[09:14] <robf_> but if you're running something that old,   you're not gonna wanna even use kde ;p
[09:14] <Choreboy> robf_: I'm not confident enough to try to manuever around in Konsole with that file
[09:14] <robf_> Choreboy: how not?  it's no different than in a window
[09:14] <raket> here
[09:14] <raket> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10694/
[09:15] <robf_> Choreboy: nano is like kate in a console heh...sorta...well not really,  but it's easy
[09:15] <raket> flaccid: that http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org doesn't work anymore
[09:15] <Choreboy> robf_: it gave me a bunch of options I am not familiar with, I'm much more comfortable opening a text file, editing it, then saving it.
[09:15] <robf_> what options?
[09:16] <Choreboy> oh my, let me look again
[09:16] <robf_> just edit it,  hit ctrl-x to quit/save
[09:16] <flaccid> Choreboy: so did you try alt+f2 instead?
[09:16] <robf_> make sure ya use nano -w ,  not just nano,  or it may wrap things ;p
[09:16] <robf_> flaccid: don't do that to him
[09:16] <Choreboy> it didn't let me IN it, I had to choose one of the options before it opened the file
[09:16] <robf_> huh
[09:16] <robf_> expound.
[09:16] <Choreboy> let me do it again and then I can tell you what it says hold please
[09:17] <robf_> lol @ konversation
[09:17] <robf_> You are attempting to paste a large portion of text (67 bytes or 2 lines) into the chat. This can cause connection resets or flood kills. Do you really want to continue?
[09:17] <robf_> raket: why'd you try to install it after it failed make :p
[09:18] <raket> because I don't know what am I doing!?
[09:18] <raket> :)
[09:18] <robf_> raket: I tend to do make && make install,   so it will install on pass.
[09:18] <robf_> if it doesn't make it doesn't install
[09:18] <raket> I see...
[09:18] <flaccid> i tend to verify make first before install
[09:18] <raket> so what could be the problem?
[09:18] <robf_> flaccid: well,  I am :p
[09:18] <raket> I don't understand all that jargon yet
[09:18] <robf_> just install if it actually makes
[09:19] <raket> oh
[09:19] <Choreboy> robf_: http://pastebin.com/d2017a900
[09:19] <raket> I meant the pasted stuff
[09:19] <robf_> && means perform the next command if previous completes with success
[09:19] <robf_> oh.
[09:19] <raket> as in, why it didn't "make"
[09:19] <raket> ?
[09:19] <flaccid> robf_: i don't think its 100% reliable, thus the visual check, i could be wrong but
[09:19] <robf_> see those ERRORS?
[09:19] <robf_> symbol undefined
[09:19] <robf_> something isn't there.
[09:19] <flaccid> robf_: doesn't consider logical problems
[09:20] <flaccid> or mismatch in versions in the build suit or something
[09:20] <raket> yes of course
[09:20] <Choreboy> I don't see errors. I don't know enough to see them :-(
[09:20] <robf_> flaccid: let me rephrase,  something it is expecting,  isn't there,  version notwithstanding
[09:20] <robf_> Choreboy: that is lilo
[09:20] <robf_> .conf
[09:20] <robf_> it'll look the same in kate save the small lil "menu" at the bottom
[09:20] <Choreboy> I opened lilo.conf with Kate and it was much larger
[09:21] <robf_> you can scroll down =\
[09:21] <robf_> try "pgdn" ;)
[09:21] <flaccid> yeah thats a good explanation
[09:21] <firecrotch> raket:  It looks like make succeeded.  Try "sudo make install"
[09:21] <Choreboy> oh my. pagedown indeed.
[09:21] <robf_> make[1]: *** [edd30.bin] Error 1
[09:21] <raket> I tried, it seems that I get the same result
[09:21] <robf_> that did NOT make
[09:21] <robf_> thats a failure
[09:22] <flaccid> well fix up this problem i guess first: make[1]: sgml2html: Command not found
[09:22] <flaccid> !find sgml2html
[09:22] <robf_> Choreboy: :p it has no implicit scrollies... except for the console itself
[09:22] <raket> well what do you suggest? I see the errors...
[09:22] <flaccid> dontl know where that binary is to come from..
[09:22] <robf_> Choreboy: the xterm doesn't know about the filesize in the editor,  or even that an editor is there.
[09:22] <Choreboy> ok I've made my changes, how do I save? just exit?
[09:22] <robf_> ctrl-x
[09:22] <robf_> and follow the prompts
[09:22] <robf_> simple as such
[09:22] <firecrotch> raket: I hate to suggest this... but try the RPM with alien
[09:22] <raket> there's also a source rpm
[09:23] <raket> is that any better?
[09:23] <robf_> heh
[09:23] <robf_> I hate rpms
[09:23] <robf_> also,  its assembly... why oh why
[09:23] <robf_> I'd not even try to look at src and try to figure what it was wanting
[09:23] <Choreboy> OK I think I've done what needs to be done, I'll need to restart to check. I have a feeling you'll see me back here soon :-)
[09:23] <Choreboy> but if not, thanks!
[09:23] <robf_> Choreboy: no worries,  good luck
[09:24] <raket> robf_: were you typing to me?
[09:24] <robf_> raket: yep
[09:24] <robf_> raket: edd30.asm is assembler.
[09:24] <raket> so ignore the source rpm...
[09:24] <robf_> oh ,   I hate rpms in general and steer clear of them,  even if it takes much longer than if I didn't.
[09:24] <robf_> and you can safely ignore my pleas for you to nopt use them
[09:25] <firecrotch> Sadly this is one of the major downfalls of Linux... :(
[09:25] <flaccid> what is the downfall exactlysorry?
[09:25] <firecrotch> Different package formats
[09:25] <flaccid> im not sure how that is a downfall but yeah
[09:25] <robf_> it's not a different package format,  it's improper in all ways!
[09:26] <firecrotch> all of the different distros REALLY need to get on the same page and use ONE FORMAT
[09:26] <robf_> and that is that
[09:26] <robf_> firecrotch: lol@nomoredistros!
[09:26] <flaccid> linux is just a kernel..
[09:26] <robf_> flaccid: yeah but a distro is package management
[09:26] <crazy_bus> the driver select on nvidia's page only lists geforce4mx's.  Not geforce4ti's.  Should this worry me?
[09:26] <flaccid> thats why distros exist. its not one userland. an OS like freebsd however ...
[09:26] <robf_> crazy_bus: nope
[09:26] <flaccid> robf_: nah distro is mainly userland implementatin
[09:26] <robf_> crazy_bus: they typically all use the same thing anyhow ,  regardless of what you choose
[09:27] <mefisto__> there's a .package format that is designed to work with all, right?
[09:27] <robf_> flaccid: well,  that too I spose
[09:27] <robf_> mefisto__: sorta.
[09:27] <firecrotch> flaccid:  yes yes, I realize that, but Linux as a whole will NEVER make it completely, especially in the desktop/home user area, with so much inconsistency
[09:27] <flaccid> robf_: its entirely that which pkg mgmt is a part of.
[09:27] <mefisto__> robf_: well that's the plan? or am I wrong about the intention behind it?
[09:27] <flaccid> firecrotch: maybe. i think the reason at this point why its not like that is more to do with vendor support.
[09:28] <robf_> mefisto__: yeah,  I mean,  rpms work on all things,  so do .debs and ebuilds
[09:28] <robf_> but yeah .package is nifty
[09:28] <Choreboy> oh I've failed miserably :-(
[09:28] <robf_> Choreboy: now what
[09:28] <Choreboy> all I want is an option to boot to windows, is that too much to ask?
[09:28] <firecrotch> flaccid:  That's true
[09:28] <robf_> Choreboy: with lilo?  hrm...
[09:28] <Choreboy> apparently my changes did nothing. Lilo is on the MBR and does not give any options it just goes straight into loading Kubuntu
[09:29] <raket> where does the deb file go though?
[09:29] <flaccid> not sure who suggested lilo when grub is fine?
[09:29] <firecrotch> raket, it should end up in the directory you were in
[09:29] <raket> ah
[09:29] <raket> ok
[09:29] <Choreboy> the install disk suggested lilo over grub
[09:29] <flaccid> Choreboy: which install disk is this srry
[09:30] <Choreboy> it suggested I use the ALTERNATE install disc because lilo was an option whereas it is not on the liveCD
[09:30] <robf_> Choreboy: I just can't say much about lilo,  I dunno it well enough
[09:30] <Choreboy> 8.04 KDE3
[09:30] <SlimeyPete> with lilo you have to run "lilo" to update the MBR, IIRC
[09:30] <Choreboy> did that
[09:30] <SlimeyPete> otherwise your changes won't take affect
[09:30] <flaccid> hmm ok
[09:31] <flaccid> the hardy alternate cd suggested lilo in the install?
[09:31] <SlimeyPete> Choreboy: did it give a reason for suggesting lilo?
[09:31] <SlimeyPete> it doesn't usually do that.
[09:31] <Choreboy> no, the LiveCD suggested using the Alternate CD if I had XFS as a file system because GRUB hangs and LILO does not.
[09:32] <SlimeyPete> oh right
[09:32] <SlimeyPete> blimey... XFS?
[09:32] <flaccid> where is the xfs?
[09:32] <Choreboy> here's the problem, my changes were not saved to the lilo.conf file for some reason
[09:32] <Choreboy> what do you mean where?
[09:33] <raket> firecrotch: I don't think it went in the directory I was at
[09:33] <flaccid> well you chose yes to lilo which i assume meant that you have existing xfs otherwise there would be no reason to choose it
[09:33] <raket> I used sudo alien -i /home/raket/Desktop/btmgr-3.7-1.i386.rpm
[09:34] <raket> and I was in desktop already
[09:34] <xim__> A blob of query comes forth...
[09:34] <xim__> Quick question, to anyone friendly out there... some distros (Knoppix back in the day) I've tried there's so called "network-transparency". So if i open an ogg file via AmaroK then streaming or copying to /tmp happens behind the scenes and stuff JustWorks. I downloaded Kubuntu 8.04 (remix & normal 3.5x) and I've just about given up figuring out why no such thing works. Anyone ever face this problem?! It seems everyone just wants to tell
[09:34] <xim__> me "It JustWorks(R) for me" and such, aggravating!
[09:34] <firecrotch> raket: then it's probably actually in root's home
[09:34] <xim__> :)
[09:34] <firecrotch> raket: /root
[09:34] <Choreboy> I formatted with XFS because I read and heard some things about it having a better throughput which I felt I needed on this old beast
[09:34] <robf_> XFS won't hurt,  it's just annoying to make work
[09:34] <robf_> it's nt a bad file system
[09:34] <crazy_bus> ah.  I found the ti version is in legacy options.
[09:34] <flaccid> xim__: i don't understand your problem.
[09:34] <Choreboy> xim__: I have that problem too! I'd like to hear the answer.
[09:35] <flaccid> Choreboy: no worries
[09:35] <xim__> sweet, i'm not alone
[09:35] <flaccid> can you explain this problem to me clearer
[09:35] <xim__> sure
[09:35] <Choreboy> I try to stream video files with VLC from a windows desktop to a Kubuntu desktop and it ain't happening.
[09:35] <xim__> basically, simple things like accessing ftp shares on a network can only be done if i spend a while at terminal using ftp fuse commands to mount it as a local file system
[09:36] <xim__> then things like media players, cli apps etc will treat it as a local file system
[09:36] <Choreboy> I can see the files, I can copy them locally, but can't transparently stream, if that's the correct terminology
[09:36] <robf_> lol
[09:36] <robf_> vlc from windows,  never tried
[09:36] <robf_> vlc to windows,  works for me
[09:36] <flaccid> right so the problem is that with a mounted smb share they dont' play?
[09:37] <xim__> i was under the impression this was obscenely retarded to be doing when a great network-transparency, gui-goodness, zerconf love exists in newer kde versions and i just wanted in on the fun
[09:37] <xim__> right
[09:37] <Choreboy> vlc from windows. My windows beast has all my HDDs in it.
[09:37] <xim__> smb, ftp.. anything mentioned in the kioslaves on my computer
[09:37] <robf_> ah