[07:49] <bootlkjkgf> mornin' All
[14:03] <tumbleweed> !dmb-ping
[14:03] <bdrung> o/
[14:03] <Laney> hallo!
[14:03] <micahg> o/
[14:04] <tumbleweed> well, that's quorate, not that we have anything on the agenda
[14:04] <smartboyhw> Oh what does !dmb-ping do/
[14:05]  * stgraber waves
[14:05] <tumbleweed> it pings the developer membership board members
[14:05] <tumbleweed> #startmeeting Developer Membership Board
[14:05] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Sep 24 14:05:42 2012 UTC.  The chair is tumbleweed. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[14:05] <tumbleweed> #topic Review of previous action items
[14:06] <tumbleweed> #subtopic laney to delete network-manager packageset
[14:06] <tumbleweed> I assume that's blocked on my LP branch
[14:06] <Laney> yeah, that
[14:06] <Laney> how's that going
[14:06] <Laney> ?
[14:07] <tumbleweed> nobody is reviewing it
[14:07] <Laney> naughty OCR?
[14:07] <micahg> tumbleweed: have you tried to get someone in #launchpad-dev to review it?
[14:07] <Laney> or nobody likes to touch soyuz?
[14:07] <tumbleweed> the soyuz problem
[14:08] <bdrung> nobody want's to touch the old Russian technology? ;)
[14:08] <tumbleweed> rick_h punted to wgrant or SteveK, but neither of them have looked at i tyet
[14:09] <Laney> cjwatson: are you able to review LP MPs? ;-)
[14:10] <cjwatson> Laney: No
[14:10] <cjwatson> Laney: Nagging #launchpad-dev generally works for me
[14:10] <Laney> apparently there's some kind of fear factor
[14:10] <Laney> so it should be more targetted
[14:10]  * tumbleweed shall nag harder
[14:10] <tumbleweed> it's a *trivial* patch
[14:10] <cjwatson> Laney: Like I say, it works for me for my extremely Soyuz-heavy MP distribution
[14:11] <cjwatson> Sure, the odd reviewer gives
[14:11] <cjwatson> up
[14:11] <cjwatson> But I've had plenty of reviewers other than William and Steve deal with my patches as well
[14:11] <tumbleweed> I need feedback on style and deletion semantics more than anything else
[14:11] <tumbleweed> anyway, that's blocking all the action items, that I can see
[14:12] <tumbleweed> except
[14:12] <tumbleweed> #subtopic stgraber to add ppu for lexical to fwts
[14:12] <tumbleweed> done, according to the minutes
[14:12] <stgraber> yep
[14:12] <tumbleweed> so
[14:12] <tumbleweed> #topic any other business
[14:12] <bdrung> do we want to discuss libreoffice?
[14:15] <bdrung> who will be at the UDS?
[14:15] <micahg> o/ for AOB
[14:16]  * tumbleweed will
[14:16]  * bdrung will be (thanks to being sponsored)
[14:16] <tumbleweed> (yeah, that)
[14:16] <micahg> we actually won't have a meeting scheduled for UDS this time :)
[14:16] <Laney> everyone?!
[14:16] <Laney> that's sad :(
[14:16] <Laney> the UDS meetings are fun
[14:17] <stgraber> I'll be there
[14:17] <micahg> we can still meet to plan though :)
[14:17] <bdrung> do we want a meeting?
[14:17]  * xnox a bunch of rebels
[14:17] <Laney> #vote ban xnox
[14:17] <Laney> +1
[14:17] <Laney> :-)
[14:17]  * xnox told you so
[14:17] <tumbleweed> +1 on UDS meetings being fun
[14:18]  * xnox probably will be banned now....
[14:18] <bdrung> tumbleweed: then let's schedule one
[14:18] <stgraber> I'm sure we can arrange a special DMB meeting for any applicant at UDS :)
[14:19] <tumbleweed> do we also want a private UDS meeting?
[14:19] <tumbleweed> bdrung: prepared to organise it?
[14:19]  * micahg would actually prefer to keep the extra sessions to a minimum as UDS is only 4 days this time around (well, time permitting, sure, why not)
[14:19] <stgraber> however, if we do, I'd prefer we don't have another meeting to discuss the DMB itself as UDS is a day shorter and I'm pretty sure my list of stuff to discuss won't be...
[14:19] <bdrung> tumbleweed: i will be on vacation tomorrow
[14:20]  * stgraber is always happy to discuss DMB stuff over lunch though
[14:20] <tumbleweed> well, what's more important to us then?
[14:21] <tumbleweed> applicants?
[14:21] <stgraber> I don't think we really have that many stuff to discuss outside of applicants. So I think we should schedule one public meeting. If we have applicants, we'll take them, if we don't, we'll discuss DMB stuff for an hour
[14:22] <tumbleweed> works for me
[14:22] <bdrung> me too
[14:22] <tumbleweed> I suspect we'll be doing some hallway discussion on PPU issues
[14:23] <tumbleweed> #action tumbleweed to schedule a DMB session at UDS
[14:23] <meetingology> ACTION: tumbleweed to schedule a DMB session at UDS
[14:23] <tumbleweed> micahg: you had something?
[14:23] <micahg> yeah
[14:24] <micahg> so, the issue came up last week that a docs team member couldn't upload docs for a derivative even thought the docs are owned by the docs team, I was wondering if we should be proactive here and create a docs packageset and invite people to apply for it
[14:25] <micahg> (someone with upload rights to ubuntu-docs already)
[14:25] <bdrung> sounds good
[14:26] <stgraber> well, in most cases flavours have a completely separate doc team from ~ubuntu-docs, so not having upload rights makes sense...
[14:27] <ogra_> sudo sync
[14:27] <ogra_> oops
[14:27] <micahg> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ doesn't agree :)
[14:27] <tumbleweed> if there are people who need this, I'd say invite the applicants, but no need to create the packageset until we have a member
[14:28] <bdrung> +1 for tumbleweed's suggestion
[14:28] <micahg> tumbleweed: right, yeah, was thinking to discuss with the person in question and if desired have a formal application proposed
[14:28] <tumbleweed> ok
[14:29]  * micahg guesses that's not what he originally said, but makes more sense
[14:31] <tumbleweed> anything else?
[14:31] <bdrung> no
[14:31] <tumbleweed> next chair
[14:31] <tumbleweed> stgraber: I guess
[14:32] <micahg> date of next meeting?
[14:33] <bdrung> October, 8th according to our plan
[14:33] <micahg> Oct 8 is a legal holiday in US and CA
[14:33] <stgraber> I won't be there on the 8th
[14:33]  * micahg neither
[14:33] <stgraber> IIRC both barry and cody-somerville said they wouldn't either
[14:33] <tumbleweed> tsk tsk - it's a public holiday here today (national braai day)
[14:34] <tumbleweed> ok, so Oct 22nd
[14:34] <stgraber> tumbleweed: yeah, the fact that it's a public holiday doesn't really matter to me, it's more the fact that I'll be coming back from a conference and preparing a trip to Europe ;)
[14:34] <bdrung> i will be there on Oct. 8th
[14:34]  * tumbleweed can make the 8th
[14:34] <Laney> can't we just have it on the 15th?
[14:35] <micahg> and then another meeting on the 22nd?
[14:35] <Laney> no
[14:35] <micahg> push off a week so we can have one at UDS ;)
[14:35] <micahg> (that was a question)
[14:35] <Laney> a happy ending for all
[14:35] <bdrung> i should be able to attend on the 15th
[14:35] <Laney> just shift by a week
[14:36] <tumbleweed> as long as we don't clash with the techboard
[14:36] <stgraber> 15th would work, though I'd appreciate if we can shift it back post-UDS as otherwise we risk getting in conflicts with the TB meeting
[14:36] <Laney> silly TB
[14:36] <micahg> well, the meetings are only supposed to be 1 hr
[14:36] <stgraber> (oh, and I also kinda like "working" on Mondays so if I can avoid having 2 hours worth of IRC meetings on the same day, that'd be nice ;))
[14:37]  * micahg already has that :)
[14:37] <stgraber> yeah, I have that on Wednesdays, so not looking forward to having more of that ;)
[14:37] <tumbleweed> 15th, UDS, back to the normal schedule?
[14:38]  * bdrung agrees
[14:38] <stgraber> sounds good
[14:38] <tumbleweed> done
[14:38] <tumbleweed> #endmeeting
[14:38] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Sep 24 14:38:23 2012 UTC.
[14:38] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-09-24-14.05.moin.txt
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[14:38] <micahg> well, that still gives us 2 weeks in a row (UDS, post UDS)
[14:39] <tumbleweed> if we have no applicants, we can skip one
[14:39] <micahg> should we skip the post UDS meeting?
[14:39] <stgraber> I don't mind two weeks in a row if we have applicants
[14:39] <bdrung> micahg: depends on the amount of applications
[14:39] <Laney> decide then
[14:39] <micahg> right, that (enough applicants) would be a nice problem to have I guess
[18:01] <jdstrand> o/
[18:01] <mdeslaur> o/
[18:01] <jjohansen> \o
[18:01] <sarnold> \o/
[18:01] <tyhicks> hello
[18:02] <jdstrand> #startmeeting
[18:02] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Sep 24 18:02:06 2012 UTC.  The chair is jdstrand. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[18:02] <jdstrand> The meeting agenda can be found at:
[18:02] <jdstrand> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[18:02] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[18:02] <jdstrand> I'll go first
[18:03] <jdstrand> I think I am done with the audits for the time being. there are a couple left, but they aren't important. maybe we can use those later for training on uaudit
[18:03] <jdstrand> which means I can actually get back to helping out with updates
[18:03] <mdeslaur> \o/
[18:03] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: seriously :)
[18:04] <mdeslaur> :)
[18:04] <jdstrand> in addition to that, I'm on community this week, and plan to train sarnold on UCT
[18:04] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: you're up
[18:04] <mdeslaur> I just published ghostscript. I have emacs and freeradius to test
[18:05] <mdeslaur> I'm currently working on transmission
[18:05] <mdeslaur> and will attack the CVE list with a chainsaw after that
[18:05] <mdeslaur> what's it from me
[18:05] <mdeslaur> sbeattie: you're up
[18:05] <sbeattie> I'm trying to finish up eglibc
[18:05] <mdeslaur> sbeattie: do, or do not, there is no try.
[18:06] <sbeattie> then I'll move on to focusing on apparmor, starting with the dbus ppa
[18:06] <sbeattie> that's pretty much it for me
[18:06] <sbeattie> micahg, you're up
[18:07] <micahg> I've got Thunderbird 15.0.1 (this week or we skip it), and I'm trying to finish up webkit for oneiric
[18:07]  * micahg hugs sbeattie
[18:07] <micahg> oh, and it's a short week for me (off Wed)
[18:07] <micahg> that's it for me
[18:08] <micahg> tyhicks: tag
[18:08] <tyhicks> I'm finishing up ruby1.9.1 and rubygems. Fought with the test scripts last week and found another issue that I had to roll into the ruby1.9.1 update, so it fell into this week.
[18:09] <tyhicks> After that, I hope to start on some apparmor work
[18:09] <tyhicks> if that's not yet ready, I'll try to fit in one more update
[18:09] <tyhicks> that's it for me
[18:09] <tyhicks> jjohansen: you're up
[18:09] <jjohansen> I finally have access to the QA machine where the apparmor QRT failure was happening so I need to look into that.
[18:09] <jjohansen> /me needs to finish writing up some notes on the current apparmor work and get together with tyhicks and sbeattie on apparmor dbus, and stacking/labeling and get back to debugging stacking.
[18:10] <jjohansen> or hrmm, continue debugging ...
[18:10] <jjohansen> that is it for me sarnold your up
[18:10] <sarnold> I'm finally finished with the generic employee new starter tasks; I've made good progress on the UE/Security new-starter tasks.
[18:11] <sarnold> this week I'm finishing those up, starting triage, and getting trained on UCT :)
[18:11] <mdeslaur> sarnold: \o/
[18:11] <sarnold> I've got a few questions about alioth, but perhaps those should be handled out-of-bounds?
[18:11] <jdstrand> yeah
[18:11] <sarnold> okay, then I'm finished :) jdstrand, your turn
[18:12] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[18:12] <jdstrand> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[18:12] <jdstrand> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[18:12] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/ccid.html
[18:12] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/libapache2-mod-auth-openid.html
[18:12] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/teamspeak-client.html
[18:12] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/batmand.html
[18:13] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/modsecurity-apache.html
[18:13] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[18:13] <jdstrand> There are a lot of merge opportunities for packages listed in http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/d2u/. Performing these updates is a great way to help Ubuntu and bolster your developer application.
[18:13] <jdstrand> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[18:15] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: can I have a pony?
[18:15]  * jdstrand hands mdeslaur a pony
[18:16] <jdstrand> and with that...
[18:16] <mdeslaur> \o/
[18:16] <jdstrand> #endmeeting
[18:16] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Sep 24 18:16:06 2012 UTC.
[18:16] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-09-24-18.02.moin.txt
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[18:16] <jdstrand> mdeslaur, sbeattie, micahg, tyhicks, jjohansen, sarnold: thanks!
[18:16] <sarnold> a pony in every pot?
[18:16] <mdeslaur> thanks jdstrand
[18:16] <tyhicks> thanks!
[18:16] <jjohansen> thanks jdstrand
[18:16] <sbeattie> jdstrand: thanks
[18:16] <micahg> thanks jdstrand
[18:16] <jdstrand> np


[08:27] <mup> Bug #1882045 changed: pool admins can't create subnets <rbac> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1882045>
[08:30] <mup> Bug #1882048 changed: Normal users can't customize preseeds <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1882048>
[08:33] <mup> Bug #1882053 changed: Normal users can't create dhcp snippets <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1882053>
[08:39] <mup> Bug #1888720 changed: Provide scripts for each phase of deployment <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1888720>
[08:42] <mup> Bug #1888720 opened: Provide scripts for each phase of deployment <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1888720>
[08:48] <mup> Bug #1888720 changed: Provide scripts for each phase of deployment <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1888720>
[08:48] <mup> Bug #1896541 changed: CentOS deployments should use rack controller as built-in proxy server <seg> <sts> <MAAS:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1896541>
[08:48] <mup> Bug #1921658 changed: Can't compose kvm host with lvm storage on maas 2.8.4  <sts> <sts-sponsor-dgadomski> <MAAS:Won't Fix> <readline (Ubuntu):Fix Released> <readline (Ubuntu Bionic):Incomplete by seyeongkim> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1921658>


[07:33] <Admiral_Chicago> is there a specific page I can visit so I can learn more about ReadAhead and more specific stuff about upstart/teardown
[07:34] <Admiral_Chicago> i have the idea of how they work, i would like more of the tech details


[00:48] <davecheney> clong: we don't recommend that
[00:48] <davecheney> --to takes off all the safety guards
[00:48] <davecheney> and allows you to deploy two units onto the same machine when they might conflict for resources
[00:49] <davecheney> that is a situation that charm authors do not cater for
[00:49] <davecheney> hence we don't recommend that
[00:49] <davecheney> having said that, the juju-gui charm can be deployed --to 0 as we have verified it does not conflict
[01:00] <clong> haha.. thanks dave.
[01:01] <clong> I'll restrict it to just juju-gui on the bootstrap machine then. That makes more efficent use of me hardware resources.
[01:03] <marcoceppi> clong: I've used the bootstrap node for postgresql and mysql without much issue mongodb is not bootstrap safe though
[01:04] <clong> Ahh ok. Good to know. Well it all seems like it's going well now I've fixed up the dns issues.  I created subdomain cloud.cuttingedge.com.au and it's doing what it should now
[01:07] <clong> marcoceppi: Now I have juju-gui installed and I'm on the browser,  long does it take a charm to deploy and what feedback will juju-gui give me?
[01:25] <marcoceppi> clong, you'll see the bat at the bottom of the charm. yellow is pending, red is error, green is good to go
[01:25] <marcoceppi> bar*
[01:25] <marcoceppi> you can also run juju status to watch from the command line
[01:26] <clong> Ok this is cool. juju-gui is rolling stuff out for me. I have a couple of experiments going. Building a mysql server and mediawiki and have added a relationship between them. Once I'm successful with those I'm going to move onto getting the openstack implemented. I think that's going to be tricky, trying to manage openstack vm's alongside the baremetal.
 I'm liking the "watch juju -v status" in cli
[01:28] <clong> It's a beautiful thing. You guy's have done an awesome job
[01:29] <marcoceppi> clong: you can drop the -v at this point. you can also get the status of just a service. so like juju status juju-gui will only show the GUI details
[01:30] <clong> I'm looking forward to putting it to good use on my 4096 real cores x 16 virtual cores once it's openstacked :)
[01:30] <marcoceppi> clong: rockin'!!
[04:35] <clong> Hi Guy's. I'm now able to roll out charms using juju-gui yay. However, I have just tried to setup mysql, memcache and mediawiki with a relationship from mediawiki -> memcache and mediawiki -> mysql:db. mysql and memcache show up as good and started however mediawiki has errored. Here's the juju status for mediawiki: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6050089/  . The error is:  error: hook failed: "config-changed" . The machine is up, webserver is up but there are 2 symb
[04:35] <clong> olic links pointing to non existent files. These are /etc/mediawiki/AdminSettings.php and /etc/mediawiki/LocalSettings.php Any ideas??
[04:44] <clong> Here is the log of where I think the hook error has occurred on the deployed mediawiki machine: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6050119/
[04:59] <marcoceppi> clong: weird, it deployed OKay for me a week ago.
[05:00] <marcoceppi> clong: you can run `juju resolved --retry mediawiki/0` to see if it was a temporary thing. That will mark the unit as resolved and attempt to retry the hook
[05:52] <clong> marcoceppi: yep i'll try that
[06:06] <clong> Hmm... When I go back to the juju-gui I've lost all of the icons on the canvas except the cache connector line .
[06:12] <clong> Hmm I think I'll kill the env and try something different
[06:12] <clong> Why because I can and it's juju :)
[06:23] <clong> So when you destroy services in juju-gui, is that meant to also destroy the machine or do you have to do that in the CLI?
[09:47] <clong> Hi All. I've just installed open stack following matthew scott's you tube vid and I'm now wondering where i can get the default logins for the dashboard etc from?
[09:47] <clong> The onlything that failed to install btw out of the stack was Cinder. I'll look into that later.
[09:56] <melmoth> clong, the keystone charm create a admin user. The password is defined in the config file you used to deploy keystone
[10:14] <clong> I didn't know I had to define a config file for the keystone charm in juju-gui so I didn't. I'll check the details in the juju-gui for keystone settings.
[23:02] <hazmat> marcoceppi, ping


[12:06] <ubotu> New bug: #126655 in hotkey-setup (main) "thinkpad-keys polls too frequently and is a major culprit of CPU wakes" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126655
[02:05] <ubotu> New bug: #126669 in totem (main) "it froze up" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126669
[02:10] <ubotu> New bug: #126667 in computertemp (universe) "computertemp crashed with AttributeError in preferences_min_temp_changed()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126667
[02:36] <ubotu> New bug: #126670 in k9copy (universe) "K9Copy fails with dvdauthor error" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126670
[02:36] <ubotu> New bug: #126671 in gdesklets (universe) "blue and green channels swapped in frame colour" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126671
[02:36] <ubotu> New bug: #126672 in totem (main) "it said era" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126672
[02:41] <ubotu> New bug: #126673 in kdeedu (main) "Kvoctrain can't make sense of comma-separated words" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126673
[02:55] <ubotu> New bug: #126674 in gnome-media (main) "glimagesink not an option under gstreamer-properties video output" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126674
[02:55] <ubotu> New bug: #126675 in Ubuntu "AT&T 2Wire 802.11g USB Wireless Adapter" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126675
[03:40] <ubotu> New bug: #126683 in gnome-art (universe) "Unable to exit gnome-art on Feisty" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126683
[04:00] <ubotu> New bug: #126685 in anjuta (universe) "anjuta build-deps need to be more specific" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126685
[04:10] <ubotu> New bug: #126688 in hal (main) "Regression: Many USB devices not detected or mounting" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126688
[04:16] <ubotu> New bug: #126689 in rubrica (universe) "Missing file or invalid name in code" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126689
[04:20] <RAOF> How can I link a bug to multiple packages?
[04:23] <ScottK> RAOF: Open a task in "another distribution" pick Ubuntu and then the other package name.
[04:24] <RAOF> Ah.  Intuitive :)
[04:24] <RAOF> Thanks
[04:25] <ScottK> Like much of Launchdap.
[04:25] <RAOF> Indeed
[04:25] <ScottK> Since Ubuntu uses it, I'm sure it's Free, so feel free to download the source and <<<<<<<<<<<< Nevermind.
[04:26] <ubotu> New bug: #126691 in rubrica (universe) "Spouse's name field not working" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126691
[04:26] <ScottK> But I'm not bitter or anything.
[04:27] <RAOF> Heh.  "Sometime" isn't very comforting
[04:29] <ScottK> Additionally, I think he's got it backwards.  He says he can't free it until it's making money.  I think it can't make money until it's Free.
[04:32] <ssweeny> I thought they didn't want a bunch of incompatible launchpad clones in the wild
[04:32] <RAOF> Which makes a certain amount of sense
[04:32] <RAOF> But maybe not enough
[04:32] <ScottK> Heh.
[04:33] <ScottK> That's one of the rationales.
[04:33] <ScottK> BTW ssweeny I responded to your latest comment on backports
[04:33] <ssweeny> i see
[04:34] <ScottK> If they don't want a bunch of stuff called launchpad, they can do that with Trademark policy much as Mozilla Corp does with FF/Tbird.  No need to close the code.
[04:34] <ScottK> But I've done 4 hour IRC rants on LP should be free and I don't care to do it tonight.
[04:39] <RAOF> Incidentally, can someone change bug #126207 to "medium" priority?  That seems to be where it fits.
[04:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 126207 in xine-lib "Fails to catch Xv errors properly with fglrx driver" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126207
[04:48] <ScottK> ssweeny: Let me know when you have an updated debdiff for your anjuta bug fix.
[04:48] <ssweeny> ScottK, i uploaded it a few minutes ago
[04:49] <ScottK> Ah
[04:49] <ScottK> I'll have a look once the package I'm fixing starts building.
[04:49] <ssweeny> thanks
[04:50] <RAOF> Just to check, the "todo" bug status isn't yet rolled out, right?
[04:50] <ubotu> New bug: #126693 in totem (main) "Totem no leyo dvd" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126693
[04:53] <ScottK> ssweeny: One more tidbit...  All changes must be mentioned in debian/changelog.  That includes changing the maintainer.  "  * Changed maintainer to MOTU" is sufficient.
[04:54] <ssweeny> ahh, sorry
[04:54] <ssweeny> need me to do it again?
[04:54] <ScottK> Please.
[04:54] <ScottK> Did you test build your change?
[04:54] <ssweeny> yeah
[04:54] <ScottK> Cool.
[04:55] <ScottK> We should continue this in #ubuntu-motu.  It's slightly off topic here.
[04:55] <ssweeny> ok
[04:55] <ubotu> New bug: #126694 in firefox (main) "Adobe Flash does not display properly on linux version of Firefox" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126694
[05:00] <ubotu> New bug: #126695 in democracyplayer (universe) "Xine bindings fail to check return values for errors" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126695
[05:02] <calc> locks are expensive
[05:03] <calc> bought 5 door knobs/locks cost ~ $350
[05:04] <RAOF> Not bad.
[05:06] <ubotu> New bug: #126696 in syncropated (universe) "syncropated fails to start (0.2.0-0ubuntu4)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126696
[05:06] <calc> only two of them are actually locks the other 3 are just knobs
[05:16] <ubotu> New bug: #126697 in kid3 (universe) "Please merge kid3 from debian unstable" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126697
[05:16] <ubotu> New bug: #126698 in evolution (main) "error while fetching mail" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126698
[05:33] <chowmeined> well yea
[05:33] <chowmeined> adobe flash player has never really worked properly
[05:35] <ubotu> New bug: #126700 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "Kernel compile fails at ieee80211_sta.o with error 1/2" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126700
[05:50] <ubotu> New bug: #126702 in Ubuntu "user images not shown when logging back in" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126702
[06:01] <ubotu> New bug: #126704 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "Hard freeze when reading from SATA disk on promise 20376 sata (MSI k7N2ILSR)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126704
[06:25] <ubotu> New bug: #126705 in Ubuntu "Cannot disable Week Count in gnome panel clock calendar." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126705
[06:30] <ubotu> New bug: #126707 in kpowersave (universe) "kpowersave won't stop hibernating when triggered by power button" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126707
[06:45] <ubotu> New bug: #126709 in kdenetwork (main) "can't activate database sets in kdict" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126709
[06:45] <ubotu> New bug: #126710 in Ubuntu ""Linu" non-sequitur displayed while Ubuntu is resuming" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126710
[07:01] <ubotu> New bug: #126711 in Ubuntu "very slow external network access" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126711
[07:51] <ubotu> New bug: #126714 in openoffice.org (main) "oocalc memory leak in chart" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126714
[08:36] <ubotu> New bug: #126717 in pidgin (main) "Pidgim status icon on horizontal panel does not scale properly" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126717
[09:05] <ubotu> New bug: #126718 in evolution (main) "Spanish Translation error" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126718
[09:31] <ubotu> New bug: #126719 in gdm "GDM does not kill resistant user processes after logout" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126719
[09:36] <ubotu> New bug: #126720 in ubufox (universe) "opening link from external application should open new tab" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126720
[10:09] <dholbach> good morning
[10:11] <thekorn> good morning dholbach
[10:13] <dholbach> hey thekorn
[11:15] <ubotu> New bug: #126726 in tomboy (main) "show webpage title and favicon instead of the address" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126726
[11:30] <ubotu> New bug: #126727 in firefox (main) "[Firefox]  security update release <IP_ADDRESS> available from upstream" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126727
[11:35] <ubotu> New bug: #126728 in desktop-effects (main) "desktop-effects cannot move opened windows" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126728
[11:50] <ubotu> New bug: #126729 in gnome-terminal (main) "sometimes the remote host stops communication (freezing)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126729
[11:50] <ubotu> New bug: #126732 in yakuake (universe) "Yakuake + Compiz/Beryl + multiple shells = X Crash" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126732
[11:56] <ubotu> New bug: #126731 in php5 (main) "php5-cli, php5-cgi, libapache2-mod-php5 to provide php5" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126731
[12:01] <ubotu> New bug: #126733 in Ubuntu "Fuji Finepix F47 camera usb disk not properly mounted" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126733
[12:11] <ubotu> New bug: #126735 in Ubuntu "edubuntu 2<IP_ADDRESS> live cd's stay on gdm" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126735
[12:15] <ubotu> New bug: #126736 in Ubuntu "edubuntu 2<IP_ADDRESS> live cd's ubiquity/grub problem on install" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126736
[12:25] <ubotu> New bug: #126737 in kino (main) "kino " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126737
[12:25] <ubotu> New bug: #126738 in dbus (main) "Please merge dbus (1.1.1-3) from debian unstable" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126738
[12:30] <ubotu> New bug: #126739 in gnome-panel (main) "Changing desktops" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126739
[12:45] <ubotu> New bug: #126741 in clusterssh (universe) "cssh fails completely" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126741
[01:10] <ubotu> New bug: #126745 in ubiquity (main) "Installer crashed" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126745
[01:30] <ubotu> New bug: #126746 in phpldapadmin (universe) "phpldapadmin depends on php5-cgi" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126746
[01:55] <ubotu> New bug: #126750 in evolution (main) "exchange mail keeps on crashing, can't send emails through exchange" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126750
[02:01] <ubotu> New bug: #126752 in hal (main) "Ubuntu doesn't see my ISA ensoniq vivo90 soundcard." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126752
[02:45] <ubotu> New bug: #126755 in desktop-effects (main) "Firefox auto-scrolling leaves tracks with DE enabled" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126755
[03:00] <ubotu> New bug: #126756 in Ubuntu "evince won't install" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126756
[03:00] <ubotu> New bug: #126757 in desktop-effects (main) "Want edge resistance" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126757
[03:02] <hggdh> dholbach: morning, sir. I updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses so that all references to crash file loading in a bug will say "upload (as an attachment)"
[03:02] <dholbach> hggdh: ah, that's great - thanks a lot
[03:03] <hggdh> dholbach: my pleasure
[03:40] <ubotu> New bug: #126759 in ldapscripts (universe) "_ldapinit doesn't work with default slapd configuration" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126759
[03:50] <ubotu> New bug: #126760 in meta-kde (main) "KDE: Transparency problem when coming from an empty desktop" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126760
[04:21] <ubotu> New bug: #126763 in edubuntu-meta (main) "My desktop still works, but not the taskbar. I can't quit properly. " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126763
[04:25] <ubotu> New bug: #126764 in libnet-arp-perl (universe) "no x86-64 package" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126764
[04:30] <ubotu> New bug: #126765 in totem (main) "totem cannot play anything." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126765
[04:45] <ubotu> New bug: #126769 in update-manager (main) "update manager fails to athenticate latest update to update-manager <IP_ADDRESS> and update manager-core <IP_ADDRESS>, will not install until it does" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126769
[04:45] <ubotu> New bug: #126770 in Ubuntu "dns failed but I can get IPs through 'dig'" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126770
[05:06] <ubotu> New bug: #126773 in mozilla-thunderbird (main) "Spell checker isn't very smart. Worst on the market" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126773
[05:25] <ubotu> New bug: #126774 in apt (main) "package update proceeds without adequate disk space" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126774
[05:25] <ubotu> New bug: #126775 in update-notifier (main) "Update Notifier does not work" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126775
[05:35] <ubotu> New bug: #126776 in udev (main) "/dev/disks/by-uuid not mounted in expert LVM install" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126776
[05:40] <ubotu> New bug: #126777 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "no sound with SB450 HDA Audio" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126777
[05:40] <ubotu> New bug: #126778 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "oops in bcm43xx when resuming from suspend" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126778
[05:46] <ubotu> New bug: #126779 in totem (main) "totem video player does not play file" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126779
[05:56] <ubotu> New bug: #126780 in firefox (main) "Firefox deletes passwords when clearing private data and it shouldn't" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126780
[06:05] <ubotu> New bug: #126781 in mythtv (multiverse) "myth-tv failed to upgrade properly on distribution upgrade" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126781
[06:20] <ubotu> New bug: #126784 in openoffice.org (main) "Line Spacing is Wrong" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126784
[06:20] <ubotu> New bug: #126785 in gthumb (main) "gthumb can't load cameradriver from kernel" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126785
[06:25] <ubotu> New bug: #126782 in evolution-exchange (main) "Evolution Locks Exchange Account" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126782
[06:56] <ubotu> New bug: #126792 in texmacs (universe) "texmacs with maple 10 does not work" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126792
[06:56] <ubotu> New bug: #126793 in python2.5 (main) "zlib module broken in python 2.5" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126793
[07:10] <ubotu> New bug: #126450 in getdeb "Sonata 1.2.1 is already in Debian unstable" [Wishlist,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126450
[07:16] <ubotu> New bug: #126797 in gdm (main) "gdm shows the default gnome theme for a second on shutdown" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126797
[07:21] <ubotu> New bug: #126798 in hal (main) "hal doesn't allow several valid options for NTFS filesystems" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126798
[07:21] <ubotu> New bug: #126799 in 915resolution (universe) "915resolution update broken" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126799
[07:21] <ubotu> New bug: #126800 in casper (main) "[gutsy]  20070718 Live CD ttys are misnumbered" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126800
[07:50] <ubotu> New bug: #126803 in synaptic (main) "update icon in upper taskbar , when clic on it ,got an error message" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126803
[07:56] <ubotu> New bug: #126805 in firefox (main) "[gutsy]  Firefox on 20070718 Live CD asks which user profile to use" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126805
[07:57] <ubotu> New bug: #126806 in Ubuntu "Unable to move files from internal to external HD" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126806
[08:16] <ubotu> New bug: #126808 in Ubuntu "ATI Radeon 8500 unworkable 3D" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126808
[08:26] <ubotu> New bug: #126810 in Ubuntu "failed to initialize HAL! (Gutsy 2007-07-18 i386)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126810
[08:26] <ubotu> New bug: #126811 in Ubuntu "libqt4-core doesn't renders well the edit buffer in a compiled application (LyX 1.5.0RC2)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126811
[08:30] <ubotu> New bug: #126812 in udev (main) "video4linux devices have no static mapping" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126812
[08:30] <ubotu> New bug: #126813 in gnome-panel (main) "When screen minimizes it is gone forever." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126813
[08:35] <ubotu> New bug: #126814 in gedit (main) "gedit doesn't always start with my custom color theme" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126814
[08:50] <ubotu> New bug: #126817 in gftp (main) "can't move bookmark into bookmark folder" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126817
[09:25] <ubotu> New bug: #126823 in Ubuntu "AMD TurionX2" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126823
[09:25] <ubotu> New bug: #126824 in boost (main) "libboost-python-dev, libboost-iostreams-dev missing .a files" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126824
[09:30] <ubotu> New bug: #126825 in gnome-volume-manager (main) "External ext3 disk doesn't auto-mount" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126825
[09:35] <ubotu> New bug: #126826 in compiz (main) "Mouse doesn't work on some fullscreen games when unredirect fullscreen windows is on" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126826
[09:51] <ubotu> New bug: #126828 in example-content (main) "[gutsy]  gimp-ubuntu-splash file has 2.2 in it while gimp is 2.3.18" [Low,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126828
[09:51] <ubotu> New bug: #126829 in qt4-x11 (main) "Redraw problems in Qt 4.3.0" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126829
[10:01] <ubotu> New bug: #126831 in meta-kde (main) "package kde-core 5:47 failed to install/upgrade: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126831
[10:10] <ubotu> New bug: #126837 in nautilus (main) "Speed slow copies" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126837
[10:15] <ubotu> New bug: #126838 in firefox (main) "Google Groups Page" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126838
[10:15] <ubotu> New bug: #126839 in firefox (main) "i cant access my mail on myspace" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126839
[10:16] <Knightlust> oh my...
[10:17] <bdmurray> hrm?
[10:27] <Amaranth> bdmurray: why did you mark https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/124285 triaged?
[10:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124285 in compiz "compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,Triaged]
[10:28] <Amaranth> that's a pretty useless stacktrace
[10:28] <bdmurray> I thought the stacktrace was more informative than that.
[10:29] <bdmurray> What would you do with it now?
[10:30] <Amaranth> well, since it looks like half-dpkg, half-compiz i'd probably ask for steps to reproduce
[10:30] <ubotu> New bug: #126834 in nautilus (main) "applets" [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126834
[10:31] <bdmurray> ah, that looks familiar now actually
[10:31] <bdmurray> clamav was having errors installing due to a kernel issue
[10:31] <bdmurray> so a kernel update might fix it
[10:37] <ubotu> New bug: #126841 in galculator (universe) "galculator: constants don't work, decimals get cropped" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126841
[10:41] <ubotu> New bug: #126845 in iptables (main) "TARPIT extension broken" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126845
[10:45] <ScottK> bdmurray: The clamav issue was because of a kernel problem related to accessing /var/log.  I don't imagine compiz does that.
[10:46] <ubotu> New bug: #126846 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "LED on Wifi switch on laptop not working" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126846
[10:46] <ubotu> New bug: #126847 in kdepim (main) "kleopatra-3.5.6-0ubuntu6 fails to generate SSL keypair using gpgsm" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126847
[10:46] <ubotu> New bug: #126848 in gnome-menus (main) "[gutsy]  Places menu contains 2 Desktop and Documents items" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126848
[10:47] <bdmurray> ScottK: the top of the bug report mentions setting up clamav-daemon
[10:47] <ScottK> Right.
[10:48] <ScottK> Ah.  Yes.  I just read the title.
[10:48] <ScottK> Funny how title and content don't relate at all.
[10:48] <ScottK> I agree.  A dupe of the kernel bug.
[10:48] <bdmurray> Yeah, especially for an apport bug report.
[10:50] <ubotu> New bug: #126849 in Ubuntu "piix module not included in initramfs" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126849
[10:54] <rendero> Bug #120278
[10:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120278 in wxwidgets2.8 "[Gutsy]  VLC Crashes instantly fails to Start" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120278
[10:55] <ubotu> New bug: #126851 in cryptsetup (universe) "cryptdisks.functions ignores crypttab entries" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126851
[10:58] <ScottK> bdmurray: I duped it to the relevant kernel bug btw.
[10:59] <bdmurray> ScottK: cool, thanks
[11:00] <ubotu> New bug: #126854 in Ubuntu "wifi connection crash on firefox start" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126854
[11:01] <ubotu> New bug: #126419 in compiz (main) "compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV in exit() (dup-of: 122941)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126419
[11:05] <ubotu> New bug: #126855 in devscripts (main) "Missing dependency for devscripts" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126855
[11:08] <nealmcb> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay contradicts itself on where people should go - #ubuntu-devel or #ubuntu-bugs?  " Come to #ubuntu-devel on freenode IRC. Normal bug squashing activity takes place in #ubuntu-bugs also on freenode IRC.   "  versus  (in the next section) "  The next Hug Day is 20 July 2007, in all timezones. It will take place in #ubuntu-bugs on Freenode.   "  Which is right?
[11:10] <ubotu> New bug: #126857 in network-manager-pptp (universe) "network-manager-pptp doesn't connect VPN if wireless is manually configured" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126857
[11:11] <ScottK> bdmurray would be the one to answer that question ^^^
[11:12] <bdmurray> ubuntu-bugs
[11:12] <bdmurray> so here!
[11:20] <ubotu> New bug: #126859 in Ubuntu "kernel panic when using dhclient on some wifi network" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126859
[11:26] <ubotu> New bug: #126860 in Ubuntu "Suddenly dropped from sudoers list" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126860
[11:31] <ubotu> New bug: #126861 in Ubuntu "OpenGL crashes x61s" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126861
[11:41] <ubotu> New bug: #126863 in Ubuntu "Panic: CPU too old (after installing Gutsy i386 server) " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126863
[11:41] <ubotu> New bug: #126864 in alsa-driver (main) "[GUTSY] mistyped sound module name in alsa-base" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126864
[11:41] <ubotu> New bug: #126865 in evince-gtk (main) "evince starts larger than screen" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126865
[11:44] <Nafallo> hahaha
[11:44] <Nafallo> i686 on server IIRC :-)
[11:48] <calc> bdmurray: hmm is there a way to force them to?
[11:48] <Nafallo> bdmurray: I rather have the bug than them giving up since they couldn't find the package.
[11:48] <bdmurray> Nafallo: absolutely but it just makes for a lot of extra work
[11:48] <calc> Nafallo: it seems a lot of bugs are just filed against no package due to laziness
[11:49] <bdmurray> calc: not at the moment
[11:49] <Nafallo> calc: well. there is a solution to that :-)
[11:49] <calc> sometimes no package is the right place to file it, at least not against a regular package anyway
[11:49] <Nafallo> calc: LART THEM!
[11:49] <calc> Nafallo: some users do file bugs against the right package but file duplicate bugs on purpose, i think LARTing them wouldn't help much
[11:49] <calc> Nafallo: in those cases locking their account might help though ;)
[11:49] <Nafallo> lol
[11:50] <calc> and then there is the duplicate filing via apport which needs a solution when it fails due to package installs ;)
[11:51] <calc> *cough* i might have gotten bitten by that last week ;)
[11:51] <calc> luckily i have great people here that merge the bugs for me
[11:52] <Nafallo> *s*
[11:53] <nealmcb> bdmurray: so should I update the wiki page to just point people here for bug day?
[11:54] <bdmurray> nealmcb: I did that already but if you could double check that would be great.
[11:55] <nealmcb> ahh - so you did.  I was thinking of taking out the other reference.  I'll shorten it a bit
[11:55] <ubotu> New bug: #126869 in Ubuntu "Please sync ll-core 1.9.1-1 from Debian Unstable (Main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126869
[11:58] <nealmcb> bdmurray: I took out the second "also" - "Normal bug squashing activity takes place in #ubuntu-bugs at other times also."
[11:59] <bdmurray> nealmcb: cool, thanks
[12:03] <nealmcb> bdmurray: see you friday :-)


[21:06] <evhan> lucidone: Note the default-backend service is optional, so you may be able to skip it for now and the controller will still work.
[23:47] <lucidone> evhan: I've charmified the backend service alright. controller itself needs ClusterRole _and_ Role .. although I wonder if it can live with just the ClusterRole rules
[23:49] <evhan> Right, it might be that it creates both but only needs one depending on how you decide to deploy the controller.
[23:53] <evhan> Looks like it creates both when RBAC is enabled.
[23:54] <evhan> It only* creates both.
[23:55] <evhan> And when the controller isn't scoped.
[23:56] <evhan> So I'd guess you can do just the Role if you restrict the controller, and vice versa. But, totally guessing.


[01:39] <CarlFK> what is the command to add a repository key?  2eb11aeda224c43c
[01:40] <CarlFK> to a rasp pi running rasbpian, so add-apt-repo isnt' working for me
[01:40] <Psi-Jack> Raspbian != Ubuntu, either.
[01:40] <Psi-Jack> Not supported /here/
[01:41] <CarlFK> Im using a ubuntu ppa.  does that help?
[01:42] <Psi-Jack> Of course not.
[01:44] <oerheks> are you sure that ppa has candidates for your arm thingy?
[01:46] <CarlFK> yep
[01:48] <CarlFK> https://launchpad.net/~carlfk/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+build/19322467           Architecture:           arm64
[01:48] <skyliner_369> can a luascript be pointed to a dll, and treat said dll as a black box?
[01:49] <Biessie> How can i make a script run in a screen at bootup? i have a cs1.6 HLDS that i want to beable to screen -r HLDS to load it up and see console and alt +a+d to get out and go on about my day
[01:54] <oerheks> Biessie, you ask about windows cs1.6 HLDS  in here?
[01:54] <Biessie> Windows cs1.6 HLDS using a 'screen' ?
[01:55] <Biessie> hmm
[01:55] <InnovAnon-Inc> lol what is windows? does run.BAT still run at boot?
[01:56] <Biessie> no but what i am asking is how to run a script in a screen at startup, regardless of what the script may be
[02:00] <bparker> how am I supposed to configure my networking in an ubuntu docker container if the image doesn't come with any tools
[02:01] <bparker> there's no ip, ifconfig, route, ping, *anything*
[02:03] <Biessie> Would this work adding to rc.local? --> su - username -c "screen -dm -S ./home/drake/cs16server/hlds_run -console -game cstrike +port 27015 +map de_dust2 +maxplayers 12 -pingboost 1 +ip <IP_ADDRESS>"
[02:05] <bparker> Biessie: there's no reason to use su in rc.local, it already runs as root
[02:05] <bparker> another option would be to run that using the @reboot tag in your crontab
[02:06] <Biessie> What if i want it to run as the user 'drake'
[02:06] <bparker> oh I see
[02:06] <Biessie> change username to drake
[02:06] <bparker> yes then crontab of the user itself
[02:06] <bparker> with @reboot works
[02:06] <Biessie> 10-4!
[02:06] <Biessie> thanks bparker
[02:06] <bparker> np
[02:07] <Biessie> testing it out. rebooting my box and my BNC is on same box. brb
[02:15] <skyliner_369> I'm wondering if there's a universal symbol for showing that something's under development or a work in progress
[02:17] <hwdyki> i have a custom apt repo which i'm trying to apt-mirror. but is giving me an error. see: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/WCBFyJy2vV/
[02:24] <Sven_vB> is there a reasonable distinction between a regular file, and a hard link to a regular file?
[02:24] <bparker> no
[02:26] <Sven_vB> thanks!
[02:26] <bparker> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/170444/how-to-find-out-a-file-is-hard-link-or-symlink
[02:26] <bparker> there are those methods however
[02:27] <Sven_vB> afaik that can only count whether "additional" hard links exist, not distinguish them, right?
[02:28] <bparker> all hard links have at least 2 links
[02:28] <bparker> so it is a distinguishing factor
[02:28] <Sven_vB> yeah I meant that none of the file's directory entries are more "true"/"legit"/"original" than the others
[02:28] <housecat> there's nothing to distinguish. a "regular file" is just a hard link where there aren't any other hard links floating around
[02:28] <housecat> correct
[02:29] <bparker> right, there's no way to know which file came first besides the ctime
[02:29] <Sven_vB> "stat hardlink.file | grep -i inode" ??? the quality of a lot of answers on SO is amazing. in a bad way.
[02:30] <bparker> I can't even browse the site, they block my host
[02:30] <Sven_vB> :D
[02:31] <Sven_vB> wait but StackExchange worked for you? aren't they the same network?
[02:31] <Sven_vB> (also I actually meant SX.)
[02:32] <bparker> maybe broken is a better word
[02:32] <Sven_vB> also the next answer, stat --printf '%h\n' ??? well maybe their flavor of stat doesn't have --format
[02:33] <Sven_vB> yeah their stylesheets don't work for me either. it's always an extra cringe if people let me view their website but ban me from downloading their stylesheets for some paranoia reason.
[02:33] <bparker> two wgets a minute apart, one worked immediately and now every attempt just hangs
[02:34] <bparker> Connecting to unix.stackexchange.com (unix.stackexchange.com)|<IP_ADDRESS>|:443... connected.
[02:34] <bparker> stuck here forever
[02:35] <bparker> now it works again... now it doesn't, seconds apart. same ip
[02:35] <bparker> I call tht broken
[02:35] <bparker> that*
[02:35] <Sven_vB> I agree.
[02:39] <Drecondius> Ok, so I added a disk to fstab to automount to /home/disk but when I point steam to it, it says there isn't enough room, the disk partition is almost 1tb (swap space excluded) but the primary home directory isn't quite that large, only 60 or so gb. What do i need to modify in fstab for it to "see" the entirety of the free space?
[02:40] <Drecondius> Should I simply have it mount to a directory in mnt and symlink it, if so, how to i get it to be writable?
[02:41] <Sven_vB> Drecondius, what does "df -h /home/disk" report when run as the same user as steam?
[02:42] <Drecondius> same user as now, or does steam make it's own hidden user?
[02:43] <Drecondius> it shows only 1% used
[02:43] <Drecondius> "dev/sdi2       869G   72M  825G   1% /home/disk"
[02:43] <noj357> hi, how'd I go about changing the title bar height in gnome 3.36?
[02:44] <noj357> am I creating a gtk.css in ~/.config/gtk-n/
[02:44] <Drecondius> so should I just have it mount in /mnt/disk and symlink /home/disk ?
[02:45] <Drecondius> I don't need to change owner of the disk, because I'm not gonna be the only one using it, but  I would like to make sure it can be written to, at least by steam and it's group's users
[02:47] <Drecondius> Wait, do i use spaces or tabs in or does it matter in fstab?
[02:47] <Drecondius> the format isn't the same as it was when i wrote it before reboot
[02:52] <Drecondius> better question, it didn't require authentication to mount, but it's requiring auth to unmount. Is that normal?
[02:56] <Drecondius> steam still only reports the disk as having 35.1 gb which is bs .....
[03:26] <Drecondius> if I make a / on one hdd and do /home on a seperate hdd, will I still be able to use some of the space on the / disk for personal files, ex put something like minecraft on that drive and steam library on the /home drive? or do I need to have some creative maneuvering with links?
[03:58] <kel_> channel safe now?
[04:25] <naribia> so I'm trying to install (headless) amd drivers and stuck with "The following packages have unmet dependencies: amdgpu-lib32 " then lists a bunch of dependecies, and then "E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages."
[04:26] <naribia> not sure how to fix this, this is a brand new ubuntu server 18.04.4 installation
[04:26] <naribia> ive tried apt install -f, didn't do anything
[04:27] <lotuspsychje> naribia: unmet dependencys mostly occur when adding external ppa's to your system and conflict with apt
[04:27] <naribia> hm, I never added any ppa's, brand new installation
[04:28] <lotuspsychje> naribia: can you pastebin the apt output please?
[04:36] <naribia> lotuspsychje: https://pastebin.com/H9Gm2E6r
[04:48] <guiverc> naribia, your pastebin shows held packages, and software from 3rd party sources (such as PPAs) https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=all&searchon=names&keywords=amdgpu-lib32
[04:54] <oerheks> never seen this too; missing arch i386?? sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386
[05:09] <naribia> guiverc: does this mean I need to add some sort of ppa?
[05:10] <naribia> I'm referencing the amd driver installation manual, it doesn't say anything about needing that though
[05:10] <naribia> https://amdgpu-install.readthedocs.io/en/latest/preamble.html
[05:11] <guiverc> no, you've already got one added (wherever amdgpu-lib32 came from); follow oerheks suggestion would be first I'd suspect
[05:12] <oerheks> never seen an command that installes amdgpu-lib32 ..
[05:13] <naribia> ah
[05:13] <naribia> yeah dpkg --add-architecture i386 then apt update seems to have solved it
[05:13] <naribia> I'm just installing amd drivesr I downloaded from their website
[05:15] <oerheks>  just installing amd drivers .. sure, but you only need to run the install script
[05:15] <naribia> right, the install script came to that error
[05:16] <oerheks> no, it did not.
[05:18] <naribia> uuh, the pastebin I shared was me installing amdgpu-lib32 manually to bring that error but that was the error the install script generated (the end of it anyways) and after I added i386 the install script seems to be working (so far, its still running)
[05:28] <abhijit> Hi Guys. i have set the bluetooth headphone mic volume to highest on 20.04, and still other person hear my voice in low volume. is there any way to fix tis bluetooth headphone mic issue?
[06:01] <nite`> Hey, there's something wrong with the fonts i see question marks instead of special characters (using ubuntu 18.04)
[06:05] <abhijit> nite`, everywhere or only is few apps like web browser? only for English or you are using other language?
[06:05] <abhijit> is=for
[06:06] <nite`> I've notice when i'm using WeeChat
[06:07] <abhijit> nite`, did you try changing font settings from WeeChat setting panel?
[06:09] <nite`> yeah, i'm not sure if it's the font settings
[06:13] <nite`> 06:11:09 â~U Option changed: weechat.look.prefix_same_nick = "â¤·"  (default: "")
[06:13] <nite`> this is an example
[06:14] <red_shift>  Are you a prick? Do you like to have (mostly imagined) power? Be an OP today!
[06:14] <red_shift><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:15] <lotuspsychje> !ops | red_shift up to no good
[06:15] <red_shift> snitches get stitches, bitches!
[06:17] <lotuspsychje> tnx dax
[06:20] <abhijit> nite`, not sure then. maybe you should try in #weechat ?
[06:21] <nite`> ok thanks for trying :)
[06:22] <virmaha> hello, my wifi is disabled by hardware switch
[06:22] <virmaha> rfkill unblock all doesn't work
[06:22] <virmaha> pressing fn + f2 doesn't work
[06:23] <virmaha> echo 0 > /sys/class/rfkill/rfkill0/hard doesn't work
[06:23] <virmaha> what to do?:|
[06:24] <anon_moose> anyone here use Yubikey?
[06:54] <skyliner_369> how do I set the compose key in 20.04?
[07:51] <aje> moo
[08:09] <ducasse> skyliner_369: 'setxkbmap -option compose:caps' will map caps lock to compose
[08:09] <idstam> How do I add a known wifi network that is currently out of range? (I'm on ubuntu 20.04)
[08:35] <OnceMe> somoene with webcam from logitech? is it working on ubuntu?
[08:45] <oerheks> OnceMe, tons of logitech webcams, which one?
[08:45] <OnceMe> c920
[08:46] <OnceMe> oe`
[08:46] <OnceMe> oerheks:
[08:47] <oerheks> no bugreports on that one
[08:49] <OnceMe> cool homie
[08:49] <OnceMe> no issues with logitech
[08:49] <OnceMe> its a good brand
[08:58] <lotuspsychje> oO
[08:59] <addc182> any recommendations for a system checkpoint/rollback tool?
[09:00] <lotuspsychje> !borg | addc182 could try this
[09:00] <OERIAS> firewire should have been the standard over USB
[09:00] <lotuspsychje> OERIAS: we dont take hardware polls here
[09:02] <dan01> Old question, can Ubuntu be installed on a T2 Macbook? :D
[09:03] <oerheks> what are the specs?
[09:03] <oerheks> processor/ram/gpu?
[09:04] <dan01> 2019 macbook pro 16", 16 GB RAM, core i-9,AMD Radeon Pro 5500M 4 GB
[09:04] <lotuspsychje> liveusb test dan01
[09:04] <dan01> It's the T2 chip problem that didn't allow Linux access to theS SSD
[09:04] <dan01> lotuspsychje: ... that's right.
[09:10] <lotuspsychje> dan01: also interesting: https://gist.github.com/gbrow004/096f845c8fe8d03ef9009fbb87b781a4
[09:23] <user217_> what is differences between "cp -r" and "cp -R" ?
[09:25] <oerheks> man cp is clear about that
[09:25] <rjb> user217_: cp --help or man cp would tell you.
[09:25] <rjb> ^^
[09:26] <user217_> rjb: really helpful, thanks
[09:26] <oerheks> spoiler, -R is equal to -r
[09:28] <OERIAS> lotuspsychje, it wasn't
[09:28] <OERIAS> *wasn't a poll
[09:28] <OERIAS> It was something I typed on the wrong channel
[09:28] <OERIAS> I was having  discussion on USB vs FireWiere
[09:29] <OERIAS> *Firewire
[09:49] <luna_> On the testing branch of the Gorilla now
[10:04] <eliyahutbr> Hello folks. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ft9Nx7Wk4G/ whats up with the "E: The method 'ftp' is unsupported and disabled by default. Consider switching to http(s). Set Dir::Bin::Methods::ftp to "ftp" to enable it again."?
[10:06] <oerheks> i think you did something like this? https://askubuntu.com/questions/1187236/how-to-re-enable-ftp-on-secondary-ubuntu-debian-server-to-pull-updates-from-main
[10:07] <oerheks> remove that 99local-ftp as in that example to fix it
[10:08] <eliyahutbr> i need a file name as an argument, no?
[10:08] <eliyahutbr> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/hsgv4sNrrY/
[10:09] <oerheks> that step created the FTP error..
[10:09] <oerheks> remove the file
[10:09] <oerheks> you know how you got there, right?
[10:10] <eliyahutbr> yeah
[10:11] <eliyahutbr> removed the file
[10:12] <eliyahutbr> so now what?
[10:12] <eliyahutbr> btw, this is all due to me screwing around trying to import a root crt file
[10:14] <oerheks> now you can run apt update again?
[10:15] <eliyahutbr> nope
[10:22] <eliyahutbr> i am a bit worried about not being able to upgrade...
[10:34] <boktan> how to point domain name to virtualbox without open port on ubuntu server
[10:58] <Fudge> how do you get your old kernels to show, i thought shift should do it. also what can i type into the grub menu to boot an old kernel, linux-image-5.3.0-53-generic broke my sound/networking and im blind so trying to get old kernel to play ball
[10:59] <Fudge> this shitty lenovo chipset needs kicking
[11:04] <eliyahutbr1> posted this an hour ago. not trying to spam. just seeing if maybe someone else has any ideas. "Hello folks. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ft9Nx7Wk4G/ whats up with the "E: The method 'ftp' is unsupported and disabled by default. Consider switching to http(s). Set Dir::Bin::Methods::ftp to "ftp" to enable it again."?"
[11:08] <Fudge> that's a bad conn
[11:17] <tatertots> Fudge: please don't use profanity such as "shitty"
[11:22] <tarelerulz> I'm instaling Kdev and why is my system needing to install linux-image 5.4 ?
[11:27] <tarelerulz> lots  problems random programs not installing
[11:33] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[11:50] <tarelerulz> I got Ubuntu 20.04 awhile ago and I can't install a lot of apps. it said something about updating my kernel ,but why you need to do that to install an app?
[11:50] <Ben64> what exactly was the message
[11:50] <lotuspsychje> tarelerulz: always keep your system up to date, before doing anything else
[11:52] <tarelerulz> That did not work ,but its kind of been messed up. it says apps install but they don't work , some stuff flat out does not install. I have not do anything but install Ubuntu . It seem odd to be so broken
[11:52] <lotuspsychje> tarelerulz: pastebin the errors as adviced by Ben64
[11:52] <lotuspsychje> volunteers can take a look for you with more details
[11:57] <tarelerulz> https://pastebin.com/YXkdwQ7G
[11:58] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic
[11:59] <lotuspsychje> tarelerulz: can you pastebin the output of: sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade please
[12:01] <tarelerulz> what does that do?
[12:01] <frad> on turning the computer on first thing I see is the vendors name. I want to hide it. How do I do that?
[12:01] <frad> ablank screen with thecompany's logo
[12:02] <lotuspsychje> tarelerulz: update your system
[12:02] <tarelerulz> really my system this messed up because I did not update and try to install apps only?
[12:03] <tarelerulz> Is that normal?
[12:04] <lotuspsychje> tarelerulz: for a stable & secure ubuntu system, always first update your system to latest
[12:04] <lotuspsychje> tarelerulz: after that, you can choose what you want to do
[12:06] <tarelerulz> It seems like ok , if do fresh install , it seems like it should work if you only install like one or two apps. I mean I did get there stable version from them. It seem odd to be that broken
[12:09] <InnovAnon-Inc> "should" is a moral statement. the stable variant of ubuntu may still require security patches and bugfixes if problems are discovered at a later date than it was released.
[12:13] <mrec> does anyone know x11vnc? any idea how to get the keyboard work properly?
[12:14] <mrec> the keymaps are nothing but chaos with vnc
[12:14] <tarelerulz> does it matter if you do a mulit boot system for update?
[12:33] <vlt> mrec: Often depends on the client.
[12:51] <MapMan> Hi! I'm running a django app on ubuntu with nginx. All works well. I have an REST API endpoint that's reachable via browser or Postman. The problem is, my Slack app that's supposed to send POST requests to the endpoint is unable to do so. Any idea how to troubleshoot this? I'm not seeing anything in nginx or UFW logs. Anything else I should try?
[12:57] <DarkTrick> hm... would be nice if the update mechanism had a "download and update later"-functionality like on ios
[12:59] <oerheks> there is a setting for that, in updates settings
[12:59] <oerheks> when there are security updates > download automaticly
[13:03] <vlt> MapMan: Does the slack app know and use the CSRF token?
[13:04] <tomreyn> MapMan: system logs can be viewed using the journalctl command. other than that, this sounds a lot more like a django / pthon question. you'll probably find separate channels here on freenode for those. ask !alis is needed.
[13:26] <anarhist> hello, how do i file a bug? when i do ubuntu-bug package, in the browser i get "invalid open-id"
[13:26] <anarhist> it used to work
[13:27] <lotuspsychje> anarhist: what is the issue about exactly?
[13:28] <anarhist> lincity-ng doesn't start. it tries to create a directory, but creates a file
[13:28] <lotuspsychje> anarhist: wich ubuntu version does it happen on?
[13:28] <anarhist> 18.04
[13:29] <anarhist> i know that bugs are not fixed lately normally ppl just wait until support ends and they mark them with 'won't fix'
[13:29] <anarhist> but i thought that maybe something will happen and that'll change
[13:30] <lotuspsychje> anarhist: ubuntu-bug lincity-ng
[13:31] <anarhist> that's what i did
[13:31] <lotuspsychje> anarhist: you got a launchpad account?
[13:31] <anarhist> yes, but it doesn't ask me to enter it
[13:31] <anarhist> Invalid OpenID transaction
[13:31] <anarhist> i just get that error and that's it
[13:38] <lotuspsychje> anarhist: i just tryed it on 20.04 and it loops me back to desktop with a small resolution, is that what happens for you?
[13:39] <anarhist> are you talking about lincity or ubuntu-bug?
[13:39] <lotuspsychje> lincity
[13:39] <anarhist> no, for me it doesn't start
[13:39] <anarhist> 1 sec, i'll show you
[13:39] <lotuspsychje> hmm ok, different bug then
[13:40] <anarhist> lotuspsychje, https://pastebin.com/Przmh7e2
[13:41] <anarhist> it creates an empty file and then gets upset that it is not a directory
[13:41] <lotuspsychje> anarhist: you installed lincity from their site instead of the repos?
[13:41] <anarhist> sudo apt-get install lincity-ng
[13:42] <anarhist> otherwise i would not try to report it to ubuntu
[13:42] <lotuspsychje> !info lincity-ng bionic
[13:45] <lotuspsychje> lemme reboot holdon
[13:48] <lotuspsychje> Anarchic: try a new LP account?
[13:52] <lotuspsychje> anarhist: ^
[13:53] <lotuspsychje> anarhist: try to delete: ~/.lincity-ng and re-run the game
[13:54] <anarhist> it just does that, that is why i did first ls
[13:54] <anarhist> to show that it's not there
[13:55] <lotuspsychje> anarhist: seems like an older bug: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/59680
[14:17] <snowhawk> hello
[14:17] <lotuspsychje> welcome snowhawk
[14:17] <snowhawk> whats up?
[14:18] <lotuspsychje> support is up snowhawk
[14:18] <snowhawk> I am trying to find a reliable thumb drive and a tool kit to open up my Mac
[14:18] <snowhawk> https://www.ifixit.com/Store/Tools/Essential-Electronics-Toolkit/IF145-348?o=2
[14:18] <snowhawk> found this so far, unless i can find a better deal somewhere else
[14:18] <lotuspsychje> snowhawk: try ##hardware perhaps
[14:18] <snowhawk> i did
[14:19] <lotuspsychje> snowhawk: we can only take ubuntu issues here, hope you understand
[14:26] <snowhawk> Why do you guys prefer Ubuntu over other distros?
[14:26] <Psi-Jack> Personal choice.
[14:26] <snowhawk> whats better though?
[14:27] <Psi-Jack> "better" is one's own opinion.
[14:27] <snowhawk> and i guess you can install KDE ?
[14:27] <snowhawk> or Enlightenment E17
[14:27] <akem_> Large community and tutorials, good support, lots of packages.
[14:27] <snowhawk> Ever run Ubuntu on a Macbook?
[14:28] <snowhawk> I tried running it in VirtualBox, but I dont have enough RAM
[14:28] <Psi-Jack> Do you have an Ubuntu actual question? This is an Ubuntu channel.
[14:28] <snowhawk> i was just wondering about the operating system
[14:29] <snowhawk> and games support
[14:34] <uebera||> Hi. Can someone explain the rationale behind "The current version must *and two or more previous versions of a file should be available* if support for by-hash is indicated with the Acquire-By-Hash in the Release file." to me? (https://wiki.debian.org/DebianRepository/Format#indices_acquisition_via_hashsums_.28by-hash.29)
[14:34] <uebera||> I don't see a use case here… (cross-posted from #debian in the hope that it reaches different eyes, sorry.)
[14:45] <tomreyn> uebera||: if you'll be sorry for posting something off-topic here then just don't post it in the first place, so you don't need to be sorry.
[15:20] <eelstrebor> i've been trying find a way to upgrade or roll back a distro without creating all these permissions and file ownership and users and group issues. doesn't appear to be a way to do so. so i spend the better part of the day manually fixing these issues. sometimes 2 days.
[15:21]  * eelstrebor wouldn't have had to roll back if could've got printing to work on 20.04 (as well as other issues)
[15:22] <eelstrebor> besides, a fresh upgrade from 18.04 to 20.04 caused all those file and ownership permission issuses just like when i upgraded from 16.04 to 18.04
[15:24] <isene> Upgrading from 19.10 to 20.04 on my Dell XPS15 using update-manager - toward the end of "Installing the upgrades" it stops at "EFI boot entry: Input/output error." and I cannot get past that. How to fix?
[15:24]  * eelstrebor guesses he'll have to wait for 20.04.X to come out - but the hassle.........
[15:27] <isene> Here's the errors I encounter: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jxwYJJncnH/
[15:28] <isene> Any help to circumvent this issue would be highly appreciated - as this is my working machine and I don't want to leave it midway in an install like this...
[15:30] <isene> I should add that I have had efi-issues when doing regular apt-get upgrades - and then I run this script and all is well: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/yKhQc8MCDF/
[15:33] <isene> Do I terminate the upgrade, run that script and go back to the upgrade? Or is that to risky?
[15:36] <ThinkT510> eelstrebor: perhaps a backup would be prudent before attempting an upgrade so it would be much easier to restore it to what it was if anything goes wrong
[15:36] <eelstrebor> ThinkT510, did that
[15:38] <eelstrebor> trying to find a way to restore users after a fresh install without having to manually recreate them also. simply backing up the passwd and group files and restoring them is no help
[15:39] <ThinkT510> eelstrebor: i was thinking more of an image backup (such as using dd) so restoring would be as simple as issuing a dd
[15:41] <eelstrebor> ThinkT510, that takes a really long time to do with a 4TB drive but I'll have to do that since it'll take less time to restore and i won't have to sit in front of the pc for hours on end typing on a keyboard
[15:42] <ThinkT510> eelstrebor: yes, the caveats are time and space but the simplicity does remove much of the headache
[15:44] <eelstrebor> ThinkT510, but that won't help much on a fresh upgrade like going from 18.04 to 20.04
[15:45]  * eelstrebor might just change from bionic to focal in sources.list and upgrade that way
[15:48] <leftyfb> eelstrebor: you should need to restore the /etc/shadow file for the passwords to be the same
[15:49] <leftyfb> eelstrebor: or at least, the entries from the shadow file. I do not recommend just copying over the password, group or shadow files from another system
[15:49] <leftyfb> eelstrebor: it's pretty trivial to script creation of users and restoring from backup
[15:52] <eelstrebor> i'll have to give that a try and hopefully get they done before any more attempts to upgrade
[15:52] <Sven_vB> would it make sense to have each manual sudo attempt be approved by another computer on the LAN? so someone would have to hack both at the same time to escalate privileges.
[15:55] <leftyfb> Sven_vB: you want #ubuntu-security for such discussions
[15:55] <Sven_vB> leftyfb, thanks!
[15:55] <leftyfb> Sven_vB: but a quick answer would be, look into 2fa: https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/configure-ssh-2fa#1-overview
[15:56]  * eelstrebor wonders if he mentioned that virtualbox didn't work properly on 20.04......
[15:57] <leftyfb> eelstrebor: This is a support channel. If you'd like help with an issue, please ask for helping resolving 1 issue at a time. To rant or discuss Ubuntu, feel free to go to #ubuntu-offtopic
[16:34] <Helenah1> How do I remove the static warranty notice from the bottom of the MOTD?
[16:34] <Helenah1> I'm trying to set a custom MOTD because it doesn't get seen...
[16:35] <Helenah1> s/because/but
[16:37] <leftyfb> Helenah1: /etc/default/motd-news ... change "ENABLED" to 0
[16:37] <frad> .
[16:39] <Helenah1> leftyfb: No, I don't want to disable the dynamic MOTD feature, I want to remove the static warranty notice that is shown last.
[16:41] <leftyfb> Helenah1: look in /etc/update-motd.d/
[16:42] <Helenah1> I already have been playing around in /etc/update-motd.d, it only contains files for the dynamic MOTD feature, none of them contain a warranty notice.
[16:42] <Sven_vB> does ubuntu come with a default read-only empty directory for user accounts that shall not have home directory?
[16:43] <ioria> Helenah1, maybe is in /etc/legal ( but honestly no idea)
[16:43] <Sven_vB> or should I just put "/"?
[16:44] <Helenah1> Damn, why didn't I see that?!
[16:44] <Helenah1> o.o
[16:44] <Helenah1> Like... that filename is self-descriptive...
[16:44] <Helenah1> ioria: Thank you very much, I'm going to see if removing that file will remove the notice.
[16:44] <Sven_vB> interesting. is that file read by getty?
[16:44] <Helenah1> Sven_vB: I'll tell you in a minute
[16:44] <ioria> Helenah1, mv it maybe, not remove
[16:45] <Sven_vB> my getty man page doesn't list it
[16:45] <Sven_vB> oh it doesn't list "motd" at all
[16:45] <Helenah1> ioria: Yes, whenever a user logs into... that file is read and displayed.
[16:45] <Helenah1> ioria: Thank you once again! :)
[16:46] <ioria> Helenah1, ok, np
[17:11] <amosbird_> Hi, what's the best way to apply this patch to current running kernel ?  https://raw.githubusercontent.com/da-cali/linux-x1-tablet/master/trackpoint.patch
[17:12] <zutat> better not apply it to a running kernel
[17:13] <amosbird_> can I have it compiled to a new module ?
[17:13] <amosbird_> I don't want to replace the entire kernel
[17:13] <amosbird_> and is there a way to have the module work after kernel update?
[17:13] <amosbird_> ...
[17:29] <donofrio> what does it mean when rsycn cannot sycn 1.5 gb anymore but when you make it 1.4 gb then it works, was working with larger files now not
[18:00] <DerHorst> donofrio: any error message?
[18:12] <pa> hi
[18:13] <pa> is there a way, or a ppa, with ffmpeg with qsv (quicksync video) acceleration?
[18:13] <pa> since it's present on 90% of the pc, it would make sense if it had ..
[18:13] <pa> i found instructions for building it from source, but it's overwhelming..
[18:13] <pa> shouldn't it be default, in ubuntu?
[18:14] <pa> or isn't it because it relies on proprietary code?
[18:25] <birdman007> what is the best way to do full disk encryption if ive already installed ubuntu
[18:27] <Xard> snap packages don't seem to get access to alsa midi sequencer even if connected to not audio but alsa
[18:27] <sarnold> Xard: please do file bug reports on those things, I really wouldn't be surprised if you're the first to think of it ;)
[18:28] <eelstrebor> leftyfb, fine - i'll just leave if i can't provide info or feedback - the fact is that ubuntu 20.04 was ready for issue and things like that cause a lot of grief for people - and yes i've been known to donate money to help develop ubuntu - goodbye
[18:28] <sarnold> birdman007: copy off the data you want, reinstall, copy the data back
[18:28] <eelstrebor> ubuntu 20.04 was NOT ready
[18:28] <Xard> (as a side note managed to get vulkan working for a snap package after some fiddling)
[18:29] <Xard> though which would be the place to do these reports?
[19:23] <Guest84182> in ubuntu, what is a good way to throttle my gpu. My screen is turning white periodically, and it seems to get worse the colder my laptop is.
[19:23] <Guest84182> I have a monero miner going but that is only the cpu
[19:54] <corshmock> Hello Folks.  I hope you are all very well today
[19:55] <corshmock> Would anyone know of a decent OneDrive client for 20.04 ?
[19:56] <sarnold> there's a 'onedrive' package; is it decent?
[19:56] <corshmock> Thanks sarnold, would you know of any links?  If it's decent :)
[19:57] <snowhawk> hey
[19:58] <sarnold> corshmock: the Homepage: field lists https://github.com/abraunegg/onedrive
[20:02] <tomreyn> that's not the one which is in ubuntu unfortunately
[20:02] <sarnold> o_O
[20:02] <tomreyn> its a fork of what's in ubuntu
[20:03] <snowhawk> hey
[20:03] <snowhawk> how long does it take to load youtube.com for you guys?
[20:03] <snowhawk> it takes me like 5-7 seconds. is that normal?
[20:03] <sarnold> probably, it's an insanely heavy webpage
[20:04] <tomreyn> snowhawk: it could be, depending on a couple factors including your hardware, resource allocation, and network connectivity
[20:04] <snowhawk> i am hoping it will load faster once i get an SSD and more RAM
[20:06] <tomreyn> and sorry, i was wrong about "not the one in ubuntu", the newer ubuntu releases do track the abraunegg fork. i was looking at bionic which still has the original https://github.com/skilion/onedrive
[20:07] <tomreyn> snowhawk: how much ram do you have now, which ubuntu release and graphical desktop are you running?
[20:07] <tomreyn> oh 20.04 for the release, i guess.
[20:07] <snowhawk> I'm not running Ubuntu yet, but I plan on it
[20:07] <snowhawk> I have a Mac with 4gb ram
[20:07] <tomreyn> oh ok
[20:07] <snowhawk> and a normal hdd
[20:08] <tomreyn> 4 gb ram is just the bare minimum. and i don't know how well the mac will work, depends.
[20:08] <tomreyn> definitely replace the hdd *if you can*
[20:09] <snowhawk> im buying an SSD, RAM (16gb) .. usb drive, and a tool kit ….tonight
[20:09] <sarnold> snowhawk: you'll love life with more ssd andmore ram, but my nvme system with 16 gigs, and gigabit fibre, still takes ~six seconds to load the youtube frontpage. it's a terrible experience.
[20:09] <snowhawk> but the new SSD should help with webpages opening?
[20:09] <snowhawk> really?
[20:09] <snowhawk> that makes me feel better.
[20:09] <snowhawk> i was feeling outdated with this hardware
[20:10] <sarnold> yeah, I think youtube devs don't ever use their thing at their parent's house :)
[20:10] <snowhawk> but if it takes that long for you to load youtube, i feel better
[20:10] <EriC^^> ssd definitely is nice, but i dont think it will load any pages quicker, might get firefox to start up quicker though
[20:11] <snowhawk> i deal with a LOT of icon bounces
[20:11] <EriC^^> those icons that show instead of pictures til they load?
[20:11] <bluejaypop> I'm trying to use a pc as router gw with 2 eth cards, but something is not working. I have in the main eth card a IP already setup and with internet, 2nd with 1st IP of the different subnet already setup, I added another pc and trying to use the main IP of 2nd NIC from my pc router as GW but is not working i'm not getting internet on 2nd pc.
[20:11] <bluejaypop> Someone can point me to the right direction? this is ubuntu server 20.04 LTS
[20:12] <EriC^^> bluejaypop: i think you have to set it in the network manager to share connection with other connections
[20:12] <sarnold> bluejaypop: did you set the sysctl to allow ip forwarding?
[20:12] <bluejaypop> sarnold, yes
[20:12] <snowhawk> firefix seems to load pages faster
[20:13] <snowhawk> but the last time it took 8 seconds to load youtube homepage
[20:13] <EriC^^> bluejaypop: click edit connection on the connection that's between the 2 pc's and set it to shared to other computers instead of auto dhcp
[20:14] <sarnold> snowhawk: how about *fast* webpages? eg https://zfsonlinux.org/ ?
[20:14] <bluejaypop> EriC^^, I have no graphics. But I can follow up.
[20:15] <EriC^^> bluejaypop: maybe this is helpful https://makandracards.com/makandra/46300-ubuntu-share-internet-connections-with-other-computers
[20:16] <bluejaypop> let me check thnk you
[20:16] <snowhawk> yea, everything seems to load fast except youtube
[20:31] <bluejaypop> EriC^^, i tried and i see the pings from 2nd PC to the router PC, but I don't see router PC reply back to PC 1
[20:33] <EriC^^> bluejaypop: maybe there is some firewall rules in play?
[20:34] <EriC^^> bluejaypop: if nobody here knows, there is also ##networking here on freenode
[20:34] <bluejaypop> i did but no reply :/
[20:35] <sarnold> bluejaypop: does ip route get  on various IP addresses onthe various hosts give output you expect?
[20:42] <bluejaypop> sarnold, i think i found the problem: 20:41:06.057473 ARP, Request who-has <IP_ADDRESS> tell <IP_ADDRESS>, length 28
[20:43] <bluejaypop> that's what tcpdump shows when i want to ping from .195 (pc example) to 192 (router pc)
[20:43] <sarnold> bluejaypop: heh, I was going to ask if the arp tables all looked sane but apaprently arp(8) isn't the recommended tool any more, and I can't find what replaced it..
[20:43] <sarnold> bluejaypop: do both machines have proper network address and CIDR?
[20:43] <bluejaypop> yes
[20:44] <tomreyn> ip neigh
[20:44]  * sarnold socially-distantly hugs tomreyn
[20:44] <sarnold> thanks :D
[20:44] <tomreyn> :)
[20:45] <bluejaypop> this is the scenario: i have 2 IPs from DC, 1 is for vmware server and 2nd is another ip in same subnet, but I asked for more IPs and they gave me different subnet, so I created a VM router pc with 2 NIC, I have now internet correctly in the VM router but on VM test i'm not getting internet, so I assume the problem is the ARP table.
[20:48] <tomreyn> you might need proxy_arp - but first of all check with the DC as to which gateways you should be using and whether prxying arp is ok with them
[20:49] <tomreyn> basically they should be able to tell you what you need to do to achieve what you're after
[20:50] <bluejaypop> yes i think i will open a TT
[21:28] <odp> looking to buy an nvidia video card. is there a way i can confirm drivers are available?
[21:33] <sarnold> odp: https://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/159360/en-us
[21:33] <sarnold> odp: there's a handful of nvidia driver versions packaged in ubuntu
[21:34] <sarnold> odp: nvidia apparently is agressive in dropping support for old hardware, so if you're buying, it might be worth sticking to the newer end of that supported hardware list
[21:34] <odp> thanks sarnold
[21:35] <odp> the card i'm looking at is on here
[22:21] <metbsd> https://pasteboard.co/Jb8dCGE.jpg
[22:21] <metbsd> help
[22:21] <alexa> Hello, dear fellows
[22:21] <metbsd> does ubuntu really support lvm installation?
[22:21] <alexa> May I ask a question regarding Conky?
[22:22] <guntbert> !ask | alexa
[22:22] <sarnold> alexa: you can ask, maybe someone else uses conky
[22:22] <alexa> why is my conky different when started with system startup than when I manually start it?
[22:22] <alexa> I have YES to both draw_outline and draw_shades — none of them appear when started with the system.
[22:22] <sarnold> metbsd: yes, I did an lvm install on ubuntu server on my power9 machine a fwe weeks ago..
[22:23] <alexa> Otherwise told, it looks like Conky makes different between User and System. Cause when the user starts it, it works well. When started by the system, some features lack.
[22:52] <sveinse> I'm trying to run ubuntu 20.04 on a VB VM, and I'm getting lots of hash sum mismatches on apt update.  I also tried changing to the se.archive.ubuntu.com, but that didn't help
[22:57] <sveinse> sarnold: What is the official URL to use there?
[22:57] <sarnold> sveinse: archive.ubuntu.com
[22:58] <sveinse> sarnold: thanks. same failure there
[22:59] <sarnold> sveinse: try this one instead https://mirrors.xmission.com/ubuntu/
[22:59] <sarnold> sveinse: using https may be able to defeat silly caching proxies
[23:01] <leftyfb> sveinse: check the date/time on the VM
[23:02] <sveinse> sarnold: for the latter first: I evidently don't have update CAcerts, because https does not work due to cert error. I'll try the alternate repo. Time and date on VM is fine
[23:02] <sarnold> sveinse: hmm..
[23:03] <sarnold> sveinse: there's a workaround on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ca-certificates/+bug/1881533 for the cert issue
[23:03] <sarnold> sveinse: or you could download the update by hand https://usn.ubuntu.com/4377-1/
[23:06] <sveinse> sarnold: uhmmmmm. I *have* ca-certificates 20190110ubuntu1.1 already installed. I think this VM is completely bonkers. Let me start over.
[23:06] <sarnold> sveinse: oooooookay, that's crazy
[23:07] <sarnold> sveinse: another cause of hash sum mistmatches that I see every few years is tcp offloading
[23:07] <sarnold> sveinse: it's drastically less common than apt-cacher-ng or ISP-provided proxies, but it still happens..,
[23:08] <sveinse> sarnold: or that the installer crashed at some cruical part while installing, leaving the system in a strange state
[23:08] <sarnold> sveinse: heh, I see bug reports from that every few days, but not usually hash sum mismatches due to it
[23:13] <sveinse> Heh, "installer crashed" on the second try. Yup, something fishy here.
[23:15] <sarnold> o_O
[23:15] <sarnold> is there anythiung in dmesg on either host or guest?
[23:16] <tds> sveinse: fwiw, openssl and gnutls handle those expiry issues differently - I think apt uses gnutls which handles it particularly badly?
[23:17] <tds> without having tested, i wouldn't be surprised if it still fails if the server is sending you back an expired cert in the chain; you could test directly with gnutls-cli or something
[23:26] <Sbur3> I've noticed in my menu of programs in Ubuntu a load of things that are blue rectangles with "LSP" on them.  How do I get rid of them?  Or do I need them?
[23:39] <sveinse> sarnold: third run installed ok and apt updated completely fine, so I'll cross my fingers and hope it'll keep that way. Thanks. (I got to go for other tasks.)
[23:39] <snowhawk> anyone here dual boot?
[23:39] <sarnold> sveinse: aha, cool, I hope this one works fine :)
[23:39] <sveinse> snowhawk: I do
[23:39] <snowhawk> which operating systems?
[23:39] <sveinse> snowhawk: Win10 and 18.04 and 20.04
[23:40] <snowhawk> How do you like the latest version of Ubuntu?
[23:41] <sveinse> It's great. This is on my dev machine, so I use it for daily work.
[23:41] <snowhawk> What all do you use it for?
[23:41] <snowhawk> i cant really see it playing games, like windows can
[23:43] <sveinse> snowhawk: I don't play on it no. My use is pretty simple: browser, console, vscode for development, lot and lot of python. Spotify for music which works nice with snap
[23:45] <sveinse> If I shall be completely honest, Windows has become increasingly unix/linux/posix-friendly lately, so I tend to stay longer and longer in Win10. And I do find the same work and dev environment there as I do on linux. -ish.
[23:45] <sveinse> But I am a Linux user by heart btw
[23:47] <sveinse> E.g.  But, I'm digressing into OT. I'm done.
[23:49] <snowhawk> What do you guys think about dual booting macOS/Linux
[23:49] <snowhawk> or maybe just a virtualbox for linux to live in
[23:55] <alexeightsix> i use linux for work (coding) and win10 for games only.. best of both worlds
[23:58] <leftyfb> !ot | snowhawk
[23:58] <corshmock> Hello Folks


[15:05] <TheMuso> AlanBell: Kubuntu accessibility session in #ubuntu-uds-bonaire5 if you are around.
[16:24] <fregl> TheMuso: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo lists the accessibility list. I'm not sure which page you are referring to?
[19:07] <Pendulum_> AlanBell: a11y session is right now in antigua 3
[21:18] <TheMuso> AlanBell: So how far along is the eZoom focus tracking code? Or are you unsure at the moment.
[21:20] <AlanBell> unsure
[21:20]  * AlanBell fires up another machine to test it on
[21:22] <TheMuso> No hurry, just curious.
[21:26] <TheMuso> Pendulum: Are you subscribed to gnome-accessibility-devel?
[21:52] <AlanBell> TheMuso: can't get it to do the last step of the install instructions, the BUILD_GLOBAL=true cmake ../accessibility bit
[21:53] <Pendulum> TheMuso: I don't think so, but i'll check


[04:05] <jbicha> fossfreedom: it looks like Ubuntu Budgie ships lots of icon themes! see bug 1669663
[07:55] <fossfreedom> jbicha: thanks for the pointer - can confirm Moka already has a symlink for org.gnome.Nautilus.  Pocillo inherits from Moka which itself inherits Faba.  The others we have to live with because of various recommendations on other dependent packages :(
[10:35] <fossfreedom_> ok ... running commentary on a git bisect of mutter...
[10:35] <fossfreedom_> git bisect bad / git bisect good 2.23.90
[10:36] <fossfreedom_> git bisect good
[10:46] <fossfreedom_> git bisect bad
[11:00] <fossfreedom_> git bisect good
[11:16] <fossfreedom_> git bisect good
[11:20] <fossfreedom_> https://github.com/GNOME/mutter/commit/383ba566bd7c2a76d0856015a66e47caedef06b6
[11:27] <fossfreedom_> confirmed - final git bisect bad displays the above commit
[11:45] <fossfreedom_> jbicha: I built a mutter v2.23.91 package with a reverse patch of that commit.  All is well.  I really don't understand though the code behind that commit - and the logic in the linked bugzilla report though :(
[13:05] <fossfreedom_> jbicha: also talked to ikey (upstream) - similarly scratching his head :/
[14:03] <jbicha> fossfreedom_: could you file a mutter bug upstream?
[14:27] <fossfreedom_> jbicha: sure - https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=779538
[14:40] <jbicha> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mutter/3.23.91-0ubuntu1.1


[00:35] <pleia2> I have an ubuntu question!
[00:35] <pleia2> does ubuntu come with pidgin? or is it some other irc/IM client thing?
[00:35] <raevol> pleia2: you've come to the right place
[00:35] <pleia2> hehe
[00:35] <raevol> pleia2: empathy
[00:36] <raevol> but it's just an apt-get install away
[00:36] <pleia2> found http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community today and my head exploded (they mention gaim!)
[00:36] <darthrobot`> Title: [Community | Ubuntu | Ubuntu]
[00:36] <pleia2> so I am writing the bug, and am like "wait, it's not even pidgin anymore, is it?"
[00:36] <raevol> :o
[00:36] <raevol> hehehe
[00:37] <pleia2> so does ubuntu call it empathy, or would a new user be looking for something else?
[00:37] <ianorlin> yes
[00:38] <ianorlin> both lubuntu and xubuntu have pidgin
[00:39] <ianorlin> note apt-cache depends ubuntu-desktop | grep [package] works here
[00:39] <ianorlin> or for the different flavors
[00:40] <pleia2> yeah, I use xubuntu and irssi, I know nothing of these desktop things ;)
[00:40] <ianorlin> those are metapackages that say what the distribution contains by defualt
[00:41] <ianorlin> if you had one flavor and wanted another for example
[00:41] <pleia2> yeah
[00:41] <pleia2> just wasn't sure what I was looking for (empathy)
[02:59] <nhaines> My VPS is running really stable and with no problems.  I should probably upgrade it from 12.04.3 to trusty.
[16:09] <raevol> happy Friday!!
[19:12] <bkerensa> pleia2: uh oh look who showed up ^
[19:12] <bkerensa> :)
[19:14] <MarkDude> ALL Hail Tux the Magnificent!
[19:15] <pleia2> hey MarkDude, long time, no see
[19:17] <MarkDude> True story
[19:18] <MarkDude> The short version of recent events has been dealing with most levels of Maslows Pyramid
[19:19] <MarkDude> http://www.broadreachtraining.com/images/misc/maslow1.jpg
[19:19] <darthrobot`> Content type: [image/jpeg] Size: [50072]
[19:19] <MarkDude> Much better now. Had to re-arrange some matters to help Gma.
[19:20] <pleia2> good for you :)
[19:20] <MarkDude> And not that anyone cares, I *still* love Hello Kitty too much- and have a pink HK cover on my evil iphone
[19:21] <MarkDude> XD
[19:21] <pleia2> I see your iphone and raise you an xbox360
[19:21] <bkerensa> pff
[19:21] <bkerensa> I see your Xbox 360 and raise it an Xbox One
[19:21] <bkerensa> :D
[19:21] <MarkDude> Good deal.
[19:21] <pleia2> MarkDude: did you see my pink keyboard? :)
[19:21] <pleia2> http://princessleia.com/images/journalpics/012014/wasd_pink_2.jpg
[19:21] <darthrobot`> Content type: [image/jpeg] Size: [101198]
[19:22] <pleia2> it's my favorite thing <3
[19:22] <MarkDude> Very cool
[19:23] <MarkDude> I likely getting married this Summer also
[19:23] <pleia2> :D!
[19:23] <pleia2> congrats
[19:23] <pleia2> getting married is fun, there is cake
[19:24] <MarkDude> I can understand and speak more Filipino, and even learnin' to sing it
[19:24]  * ianorlin likes the pink keyboard picture
[19:25] <MarkDude> I am looking up wedding traditions- and want to include some of the cool ones- like the Italian candied almonds (but I wont ask gf to carry traditional horseshoe-lol)
[19:25] <pleia2> ianorlin: thanks :)
[19:35] <bkerensa> MarkDude: oh please video more of you singing Filipino :)
[19:35] <bkerensa> MarkDude: Are you going to Scale12x?
[19:37] <MarkDude> less than 10% chance I can get done what I need in time to make SAcale
[19:37] <bkerensa> MarkDude: well if things change and you can get a ride lmk your welcome to bunk... I have a suite at the Hilton
[19:38] <MarkDude> Now I am working on tha dance moves too. Its rather a new process for me to learn
[19:38] <bkerensa> :D
[19:38] <MarkDude> Ok chances have improved to 23% or so with that offer dude :D
[19:39] <bkerensa> MarkDude: you also learning Eskrima?
[19:39] <MarkDude> Ang galing galing.
[19:40] <MarkDude> This is the song I should have a version of in next few weeks
[19:40] <bkerensa> MarkDude: Will jono be your best man? :) He could wear a barong Tagalog
[19:41] <jono> MarkDude, you are getting hitched? congrats!
[19:41] <jono> marriage is awesome
[19:42] <MarkDude> Lyrics in English http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070321162205AAAaXRs
[19:42] <darthrobot`> Title: [Can anybody translate this lyric in a philipino song?]
[19:42] <MarkDude> I AM wearing a Barong Tagalog- they are made of pineapple fiber
[19:43] <bkerensa> heh
[19:43] <MarkDude> Josie is wearing short wedding skirt- and thigh high go-go white boots
[19:43] <bkerensa> I want a pineapple fiber mousepad <3
[19:45] <MarkDude> My friend Rich is helping do groom's Datu (representative) role and my Dad is leading the traditional Pamanhikan in having our families meet http://www.weddingsatwork.com/culture_traditions.shtml
[19:45] <darthrobot`> Title: [WeddingsAtWork.com Culture - Filipino Pre-Wedding Rituals and Traditions]
[19:46] <MarkDude> There are some Catholic rituals invloving cord and a veil,etc for actual ceremony I have had to learn about. Sorta reminded me of a possibly similar studying pleia2 did ;)
[19:47] <MarkDude> Maqrrying in Vegas- and having ceremony /bigass party in Bay
[19:49] <MarkDude> Jono- "Ihaw na" (sounds like e-how naw)  translates to lets bbq in Tagalog - lol
[19:49] <jono> :-)
[21:42] <jyo> http://www.sears.com/trendnet-mini-gbic-single-mode-lc-module-teg/p-SPM7016119308
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