[05:27] <zage> Good day, everyone.
[05:27] <zage> Does anyone know of a good snippets manager for ubuntu? Preferrably cross-platform.
[06:44] <dholbach> good morning
[09:11] <popey> dholbach: if you get a chance can you pls review terminal and calendar updates in the store?
[09:25] <dholbach> popey, sure
[09:29] <dholbach> popey, approved
[09:34] <popey> thanks dholbach
[14:00] <gundo> appdev
[14:24] <popey> dholbach: if you get a moment could you please review music and clock which I just uploaded to the store? cc ahayzen nik90
[14:37] <dholbach> popey, clock is done - I can't see music
[14:37] <popey> dholbach: sorry, just requested manual review, my bad
[14:40] <dholbach> popey, I don't know what's happening with clock
[14:40] <dholbach> it says:
[14:40] <dholbach> Latest uploaded version: 3.5.364 --- Current approved version: 3.5.364 --- Published version: 3.4.305
[14:42] <popey> stupid website
[14:42] <popey> dholbach: I didn't autopublish
[14:43] <popey> \o/ done, thanks dholbach
[14:46] <nik90> popey: Just curious, but why is Clock update size 1.1 MB? I don't remember it being more than 500 Kb to be honest.
[14:47] <popey> nik90: oh blimey, what have I done?
[14:47]  * nik90 thinks back to if he added any image/sound assets to clock source to make it big.
[14:47] <ogra_> you shouldnt have added all the android watch clockfaces
[14:48]  * popey temporarily unpublishes while we look at it
[14:48] <popey> 2.6MB in po alone
[14:49] <didrocks> popey: when you have time and/or want to play with things, please have a try at http://people.canonical.com/~didrocks/tmp/splitthebill.didrocks_1.0_armhf.click
[14:50] <nik90> we added a couple of svgs.. but should at most be an additonal 5 Kb.
[14:50] <popey> nik90: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12263449/
[14:50] <popey> file sizes over time
[14:50] <popey> didrocks: kk
[14:50] <popey> nik90: you agree that looks reasonable?
[14:51] <nik90> popey: hmm yes it does
[14:51] <didrocks> popey: this is my example apps for the futures videos. it should have a default "non archive mode" (until you save your first bill, it will always presents you the "bill split mode"). You can add and manage attachments, it tries to follow best design team practices, contenthub (share/import/see in default app) integration, location service, u1db storage, new listviews (swapping to dismiss),
[14:51] <didrocks> themeable…
[14:52] <didrocks> popey: opened to any suggestions/remarks ;)
[14:52] <didrocks> ah, and currency converter :p
[14:52] <didrocks> (saving the currency rates from the date you added the bill)
[14:52] <didrocks> + small dialogs for date/time saving, and so on…
[14:52]  * didrocks tried to hit a large part of our API in one app example
[14:53] <popey> didrocks: first suggestion, make it a fat click so it works on intel machines :)
[14:53] <didrocks> popey: stupid question, how do I do it? :p
[14:54] <didrocks> zbenjamin never gave me the option in the IDE! :)
[14:54] <popey> indeed, blame him
[14:54] <didrocks> more seriously, I should just build it and click package manually?
[14:55] <popey> i have a script which does that
[14:56] <popey> didrocks: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12263491/
[14:56]  * didrocks wget -o popey.sh :p
[14:57] <popey> :þ
[14:57] <didrocks> oh, you harcoded cmake :p
[14:57] <popey> yeah, sorry :)
[14:58] <didrocks> of course qmake .. isn't as flexible :p
[14:58]  * didrocks looks
[14:58] <didrocks> popey: thanks! I'll try to get one soonish
[15:01] <popey> I wouldn't worry too much, can't imaging there's many people who would grab that click and put iton a desktop?
[15:02] <didrocks> I don't guess so
[15:03] <nik90> popey: clock store page doesn't show screenshots, changelog .. not sure if the app scope takes time to show the updated content.
[15:03]  * nik90 reboots phone for good measure
[15:03] <ahayzen> nik90, same for me
[15:04] <popey> the store is broken
[15:04] <popey> IMO
[15:04] <popey> beuno: ^
[15:04] <nik90> haha
[15:04] <beuno> the store is down
[15:05] <beuno> as is SSO
[15:05] <popey> \o/
[15:05] <nik90> oh
[15:05] <ahayzen> hah
[15:05] <beuno> as are... other things
[15:05] <beuno> the clouds are angry
[15:06] <beuno> it's back now
[15:08] <mhall119> beuno: did we forget to appease the cloud gods?
[15:08] <nik90> beuno: clock page still doesnt show screenshots, author information or anything except for reviews.
[15:08] <beuno> mhall119, you never know what they want for dessert
[15:08] <beuno> nik90, link?
[15:09] <nik90> beuno: just long-hold clock app on the phone.
[15:09] <nik90> s/long-hold/long-press
[15:10] <mhall119> oh man, one-star reviews on the clock app.....
[15:10] <mhall119> "The new icon doesn't show the *real* time"......does any other platform update the clock's app icon in real time?
[15:10] <beuno> nik90, I wonder if something's caching
[15:10] <beuno> it all seems fine here
[15:11] <nik90> beuno: ah okay..I will wait a while.
[15:11] <beuno> nik90, can you try rebooting the phone for me?
[15:11] <beuno> just to double check
[15:11] <nik90> sure
[15:11] <mcphail> mhall119: a live-updated icon would be extremely cool, though
[15:12] <nik90> mhall119: iOS 7 does it .. http://www.engadget.com/2013/06/14/ios-7-clock-app-icon-shows-the-current-time-to-the-second/
[15:12] <mhall119> mcphail: sure, unless you like battery life
[15:12] <didrocks> mhall119: android does
[15:12] <mhall119> nik90: really? wow
[15:13] <mcphail> The podbird parrot icon could flap her wings when there is a new episode
[15:13] <nik90> anyway we have a bug tracking this feature and it affects clock, calendar. Unity8 is also added.
[15:13] <nik90> mcphail: lol..is it a parrrot? I never asked :D
[15:14] <nik90> beuno: reboot did not fix the issue.
[15:14] <mcphail> nik90: well, I'm no ornithologist...
[15:14] <beuno> nik90, ack, looking into it more deeply now
[15:14] <nik90> beuno: FYI, popey did update the screenshot and changelog for this new clock app update.
[15:14] <nik90> thnx
[15:15] <mhall119> didrocks: clock and calendar icons on my Android tablet are static
[15:15] <didrocks> mhall119: can be a TouchWiz feature
[15:15] <didrocks> (I have the samsung clock app)
[15:15] <mhall119> ah, could be
[15:15] <mhall119> yay fragmentation!
[15:15] <didrocks> mhall119: yep, seems it is: http://phandroid.com/2015/03/10/samsung-galaxy-s6-touchwiz-clock-calendar-icon-time-date/
[15:19] <beuno> nik90, and now?  :)
[15:21] <popey> i see no screenshots here either
[15:21] <popey> rebooted retail krillin phone
[15:21] <beuno> popey, of anything?  or just the clock??
[15:21] <popey> just clock
[15:22]  * popey checks the store to see if they are there
[15:22] <popey> oh, i see
[15:22] <popey> it's reverted back to "ready to publish"
[15:22]  * popey presses publish
[15:22] <popey> I guess the cloud went down just at the point I hit publish previously
[15:22] <popey> try now nik90
[15:22] <popey> works here
[15:26] <mhall119> works here now too
[15:27] <dholbach> balloons, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Components
[15:28] <dholbach> balloons, updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Bugs as well
[15:30] <mzanetti> Sir popey, meeting time :)
[15:30] <mzanetti> ack
[15:30] <mzanetti> wrong channel :D
[15:30] <mhall119> also, I believe sir popey is on holiday
[15:30] <mzanetti> oh... that slacker
[15:31] <mzanetti> balloons, hey, wanna chat about reminders-ci? we'd have our reminders weekly atm
[15:32] <balloons> mzanetti, I may have something more to say pretty soon. I was bogged down by some bugs in jenkins that prevented me from getting a run in. As usual, your timing means I have a proper solution to try now
[15:32] <mzanetti> balloons, I'd be in a hangout if you wanna join. but we can also do next week if you're not ready yet
[15:33] <balloons> I can hang in a hangout sure
[15:33] <mzanetti> balloons, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/calendar/ZGF2aWQucGxhbmVsbGFAY2Fub25pY2FsLmNvbQ.hmi0jtgolt85guqu500jhnu8s0?authuser=1
[15:33] <balloons> no bueno
[15:36] <mzanetti> :)
[15:36] <mzanetti> balloons, anyhow... we don't have to do this today... I've invited you to the reminders weekly. you can join optionally whenever you feel there's something to say about reminders QA
[15:39] <balloons> mzanetti, ahh, now google likes me, but you are all gone, hah
[15:40] <mzanetti> hah, I can return
[15:40] <nik90> beuno, popey: Yup I see it now. thnx
[16:12] <Mirv> thanks everyone for music, terminal, calendar and clock updates, eagerly downloading. yesterday OTA-6, today these, good times to be switching to ~full Ubuntu usage! :)
[17:09] <ogra_> popey, hmm, after update my datetime indicator only shows "unnamed" events :/
[17:09] <ogra_> seemingly also from the wrong calendar
[17:10] <ogra_> hmm, actually its the same event 4 times
[17:15] <popey> ogra_: odd
[17:15] <ogra_> popey, http://i.imgur.com/A9Oeh2r.png
[17:16] <ogra_> my default calendar is ubuntu orange ... it seems ot show "Personal" from the local disk (which is disabled everywhere)
[17:44] <rpadovani> dholbach, why did you reset the Avengers page? It was a useful collection of links...
[17:44] <dholbach> rpadovani, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Components
[17:44] <dholbach> rpadovani, it's linked from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Bugs
[17:45] <rpadovani> dholbach, <3 awesome, thanks!
[17:45] <dholbach> avengers wasn't really to find and it's a project which isn't really used any more :)
[18:22] <moesi> hello! can someone tell me if it is possible to use the ubuntu-sdk in an ubuntu-virtualbox-guest system? It seams that my device (BQ4.5) cant be tunneled to the guest system.
[18:23] <moesi> its not detected
[22:54] <zbenjamin> popey: no option to make fat packages in the IDE? Not true. Just use qmake
[23:03] <nik90> zbenjamin: are you sponsoring to convert core-apps cmake to qmake :D ?
[23:03] <zbenjamin> nik90: well if it were just for me i would vote for core apps to use qmake yes
[23:03] <zbenjamin> except there is a really good reason to not use it
[23:03] <popey> there's voting
[23:04] <popey> and there's patches
[23:04] <popey> the two are not the same :)
[23:04] <nik90> zbenjamin: what's the good reason to not use it atm?
[23:04] <zbenjamin> nik90: not use qmake? I have none :D
[23:04] <zbenjamin> nik90: maybe if your project build is extremely complex
[23:05] <nik90> zbenjamin: I think the complexity will come with the autopilot and qml tests I suppose.
[23:05] <zbenjamin> popey: yeah sure, after i finished doing the day job i'll patch the core apps to use qmake ;)
[23:05] <nik90> ;)
[23:05] <zbenjamin> nik90: nah, tests are not that complex
[23:05] <popey> :)
[23:05] <zbenjamin> nik90: usually that means compiling something, and executing the result , both is doable
[23:05] <popey> I am not wedded to cmake at all, but right now we have a system that works
[23:06] <nik90> +1
[23:06] <zbenjamin> popey: yeah, i guess there is no real reason to change that as well. But if someone starts a new project i'd go with qmake
[23:06] <zbenjamin> after all its a matter of taste and we will continue to support both
[23:07] <zbenjamin> nik90: ah btw, the patch for the runconfigurations should have landed already
[23:07] <nik90> zbenjamin: damn, I forgot to update my laptop just a few minutes back to test that. Will test tomorrow. Need to sleep soon.
[23:08] <popey> sleep! great idea
[23:08] <nik90> gnite all :)
[23:08] <zbenjamin> nik90: or maybe not, need to ask timo again tomorrow
[23:08] <zbenjamin> nik90: have a good night
[23:08]  * popey enters ACPI mode S3
[23:08] <zbenjamin> popey: you too :D


[02:36] <DR01D-Engineer> anyone know how to record whats coming out of my computer, no mic or anything, just directly recording to a file the audio my computer sends to the speakers
[02:38] <DR01D-Engineer> i cant see anything relevant on qjack
[10:38] <sab> Hi - can anyone tell me how to configure two GPU's thanks
[11:12] <jussi> sab: is it optimus?
[11:12] <jussi> if so: http://geek.co.il/wp/2012/02/19/nvidia-optimus-on-ubuntu-12-04
[11:12] <jussi> I havent tried that, but Im told it works
[15:16] <Guest29069> so how about that low latency kernel?
[15:16] <holstein> ?
[15:16] <holstein> you mean, how is the performance?
[15:17] <holstein> i find it still depends on the hardware support to a large degree
[15:17] <holstein> Guest29069: grab the live iso, fire it up and try it
[15:17] <Guest29069> Yeah. I just started using studio. I haven't noticed much a difference in its ability to process audio
[15:17] <holstein> i find most folks dont need low latency anyways
[15:18] <holstein> Guest29069: well, thats not what hte kernel is intended for
[15:18] <Guest29069> what is it intended for?
[15:18] <holstein> its quite specifically designed to provide lower latency
[15:18] <holstein> without a compromise on the system such as the older realtime kernels did.. with laptops for example
[15:18] <Guest29069> In order to allow to more powerful processing right?
[15:18] <holstein> the lowlatency is a nice compromise for everyone
[15:18] <holstein> Guest29069: nope
[15:18] <holstein> Guest29069: just lower latency
[15:19] <holstein> Guest29069: the "power" will come from the machine
[15:19] <Guest29069> Well its certainly not intended to speed up the system. thatd be a real time kernel. or am i wrong?
[15:19] <holstein> Guest29069: i did a LUG presentation called "linux is not magic".. it will not make the machine "better" or "faster"
[15:19] <holstein> Guest29069: nothing will make the system "faster"
[15:20] <holstein> something might utilize the hardware better.. or be more appropriate for an inteded purpose
[15:20] <Guest29069> Except a better gpu, a ssd, and optimum ram
[15:20] <holstein> such as, *if* you need lowlatency.. and most people dont
[15:20] <holstein> there are 2 specific cases where latency matters.. realtime effects processing and software synthesisers
[15:21] <holstein> other than that.. it really is not needed
[15:21] <Guest29069> Before giving studio a shot, I tried researching it. and my conclusion was that a low latency kernel basically gives the process time to finish (causing lag on intensive processes) and that extra allows software like jack to add effects (in real time) to the audio in a more efficient manner.
[15:22] <Guest29069> the result is a slower system
[15:22] <holstein> if you need low latency, you'll figure out what it is and how to get it
[15:22] <holstein> if you dont, i say, dont bother
[15:22] <holstein> most folks dont need JACK.. but if you do, its handy
[15:22] <Guest29069> I'm not trolling lol  but the whole thing confuses me.  am I right about the above though>
[15:23] <Guest29069> ?
[15:23] <holstein> its tricky
[15:23] <Guest29069> Okay, gotcha
[15:23] <holstein> but, not.. its not a slower system necessarily
[15:23] <holstein> Guest29069: think of it this way
[15:23] <holstein> if i press play... how long does it take for that audio to come form the speakers?
[15:23] <holstein> half a second?
[15:24] <holstein> does it matter?
[15:24] <Guest29069> Nope
[15:24] <holstein> whay if it happened almost instantly?
[15:24] <holstein> would that be a faster system?
[15:24] <Guest29069> I couldnt tell
[15:24] <Guest29069> lol
[15:24] <holstein> not necessarily.. arguably better configured for realtime audio
[15:25] <holstein> if i wanted to play a keyboard, and have the computer create a sound and play that sound.. then the timing becomes more important
[15:25] <Guest29069> Right.  So a low latency kernel is obviously useless for functions like audio playback.  But it would give processing software more power, not speed! but power?
[15:25] <holstein> i want that sound to happen as close to when i push that button as possible
[15:26] <holstein> i want it to seem like a keyboard
[15:26] <holstein> realtime
[15:26] <holstein> i did that with some software on a celeron 900mhz without JACK... just alsa... with pianoteq.. as pretty much a piano appliance
[15:26] <holstein> the configuration of that machine gave me quite low latency
[15:27] <holstein> doesnt matter that its "old" or "slow"
[15:27] <holstein> and the configuration didnt make it faster.. just more appropriately configured for the taks i wanted to use it for
[15:28] <holstein> in one hardware scenario i have, i have a USB device that performs better and with lower latency with a generic kernel rather than a realtime one
[15:28] <holstein> the kernel version matters in that case.. the generic one supports that device better
[15:29] <holstein> still... no change to the computer in any way... its still the same speed.. its just about hardware support and software configuration
[15:30] <Guest29069> Okay
[15:30] <Guest29069> I think I understand better.
[15:30] <holstein> Guest29069: its tricky... and im not a kernel dev.. i just use the software/hardware
[15:31] <Guest29069> So the kernel doesnt affect how much software uses the CPU, like throughput?
[15:31] <holstein> Guest29069: sure.. it can.. its software and its open.. it can effect whatever you want it to effect
[15:31] <holstein> but, its not magical
[15:31] <holstein> the realtime kernel isnt something that makes the machine faster
[15:32] <holstein> just helps hopefully give priority to things to faciliate low latency
[15:32] <holstein> things that would cause a drastic drain of a laptop battery for example
[15:32] <holstein> OR overheat a machine
[15:33] <holstein> its a trade off... if you are wondering why its not like that "out of the box"
[15:33] <holstein> or, why we dont ship with this setting optimally set for audio out of the box
[15:33] <Guest29069> Okay! So a low latency kernel would be beneficial if I wanted to process audio in real time.  Recording audio I know hardly uses any cpu, but processing that audio (as in adding effects in real time) can be really intensive.  The kernel would slow that processing software
[15:33] <Guest29069> down to the point where
[15:34] <Guest29069> all of its inputs find an output
[15:34] <Guest29069> no matter how long it takes
[15:34] <holstein> thats more like it..
[15:34] <holstein> kind of like a hard coded priority to the audio processing
[15:35] <holstein> when something says "lets not give priority to the audio because of x" maybe the kernel says.. "nah, we're ok with that risk, keep it rolling"
[15:35] <Guest29069> Thats mostly what I want to do with studio.
[15:36] <holstein> well, this is what i do professionally.. and i seldom need low latency
[15:36] <holstein> i have several jack profiles.. and rarely need the lower latency one
[15:36] <holstein> but, if you are doing software synths live, you'll want it
[15:36] <holstein> at least something like 8ms or so
[15:37] <holstein> if i can get close to 5ms stable, i feel good about it.. but when mixing down, i bump it up to 80+ms or so
[15:37] <holstein> i dont feel i need to unecessarily tax the machine when applying plugins or whatever when the timing isnt crucial at mixing/mastering
[15:37] <holstein> also depends on the rig
[15:38] <Guest29069> Well thank you a lot! It makes sense now, and my conclusion is that I don't really need the kernel either for most situations.
[15:38] <holstein> Guest29069: i still have a 10.04 install on my main audio production rig. i have several kernels that i boot for different reasons.. kind of like dual booting
[15:39] <holstein> back then, the differences were more drastic though
[15:39] <Guest29069> I'll keep it though, just in case.  and I understand, considering now most computers ship with dual core processors and at least 2 gigs of ram
[15:39] <holstein> i find i can do most everything i need with the current low-latency kernel, though i do get lower latency with the older realtime one in 10.04.. not that that is why im keeping 10.04 around
[15:40] <Guest29069> Did they switch to Gnome after 10.04?
[15:40] <holstein> well.. thats a different story
[15:40] <Guest29069> Why do you keep 10.04 around then? haha
[15:41] <holstein> in 10.04, ubuntu and ubuntustudio shipped gnome2 as default
[15:41] <holstein> when main ubuntu went unity, we (ubuntustudio) went xfce
[15:41] <holstein> that was around 11.04
[15:41] <Guest29069> Oh yeah, I meant unity, not gnome
[15:42] <holstein> nah.. i keep 10.04 around for stability.. and because i just havent taken the time to migrate fully
[15:42] <holstein> Guest29069: i do work on that rig occasionally.. its mission critical
[15:42] <holstein> not that i dont trust 12.04.. i just havent taken the time to migrate.. i have a 12.10 install on a hard drive in that machine and it tested OK for the time i had to test
[15:43] <holstein> i try and test the 64bit versions on that machine
[15:43] <holstein> we have more 32bit testers
[15:43] <Guest29069> I had a lot of problems with 12.04 on my rig with my video card.
[15:43] <holstein> that can happen
[15:44] <holstein> we dont have any control over those drivers
[15:44] <holstein> Guest29069: keep in mind, ubuntustudio *is* ubuntu.. for generic things like that, you can sometimes get better support searching "ubuntu" instead of "ubuntustudio"
[15:45] <holstein> Guest29069: not that im kicking you out of here.. its just that it can be slow here, if you are not finding help for things like graphics and other non-audio specific things
[15:45] <Guest29069> I understand
[15:45] <holstein> i got dual head configured in 12.10 easily enough with the proprietary nvidia driver
[15:46] <holstein> that was one of the things i needed to learn to implement in xfce since i was used to gnome2
[15:47] <Guest29069> Well thanks for your help. I must get going.
[21:24] <pecc> my audio dies randomly when connected to dock, disconnect/reconnect helps every time but only until the next time, audio worked 40 min perfectly when disconnected from dock, after reconnecting failed in 10 min -- anyone have any ideas?
[21:27] <pecc> visited #ubuntu but they're having a shortage of audio-knowing peeps
[21:32] <len-dt> whats "dock"?
[21:36] <pecc> docking station for my laptop
[21:36] <len-dt> Ah, so the audio doesn't go through the dock then?
[21:36] <pecc> (also known as "the thing that has all the connections and jacks I lost when my lappy blew up)
[21:37] <pecc> apparently it doesn't... which is hugely annoying because I don't have an integrated audio jack these days
[21:38] <pecc> I need to get my dock and my Quantal playing nicely together because no dock = no music, no Net
[21:38] <pecc> any ideas? :/
[21:39] <len-dt> Does the dock have much in the way of circuitry? or is it mostly like a "breakout box"? That takes a big connector and breaks it down to smaller plaugs?
[21:39] <pecc> (this also happened when I had Precise... I updated the system in hopes of fixing this specific problem)
[21:39] <len-dt> I guess I am asking if there are any changes to the kernel modules that are loaded with the unit docked or not.
[21:41] <pecc> uh.... it's pretty much just a glorified USB hub with a bit of board, a LAN card, and some additional connections for audio in/out, serial, parallel, and old type keyboard and mouse
[21:41] <pecc> plus a fan
[21:42] <pecc> giffen 46753
[21:42] <pecc> and I have no idea whether there's anything affecting kernel modules or not
[21:43] <len-dt> but you are using the onboard sound card?
[21:43] <pecc> I'm not entirely sure
[21:43] <pecc> I think it's possible the original sound card went with the power button board
[21:43] <pecc> = dead
[21:43] <len-dt> Does the dock just plug into a USB port or is it a bigger connector?
[21:43] <pecc> USB
[21:44] <len-dt> Not internal sound then.
[21:44] <pecc> o.o
[21:44] <pecc> cat /proc/asound/cards
[21:44] <pecc>  1 [Set            ]: USB-Audio - C-Media USB Headphone Set
[21:44] <pecc>                       C-Media USB Headphone Set at usb-0000:00:1d.7-1.4.5, full speed
[21:45] <len-dt> I would guess you are not trying to do low latency sound stuff, just listening to whatever sound there is.
[21:45] <pecc> yeah
[21:46] <len-dt> I have not had problems using a USB audio interface.
[21:47] <len-dt> But I am very careful to make sure I use a USB connector that is not used for anything else. That is not a hub. But the only problem I have had when I had other things using the same port was xruns.
[21:48] <len-dt> (pops and clicks some times)
[21:48] <len-dt> My netbook wireless interferes with the audio :P
[21:49] <pecc> I'll try switching the dock directly to my lappy (it's now connected via hub)... I might drop off the channel but will be back
[21:49] <len-dt> k
[21:49] <pecc> yay no disconnect
[21:50] <pecc> now... have to wait
[21:50] <pecc> to see if the audio starts acting up again.
[21:51] <len-dt> I figured
[22:05] <pecc> *sigh*
[22:05] <pecc> it acted up again
[22:05] <pecc> more ideas?
[22:16] <len-dt> when it acted up did it add anything to dmesg?
[22:16] <len-dt> or syslog?
[22:29] <pecc> how do I check?
[22:40] <pecc> found syslog
[22:40] <pecc> cannot submit urb (err = -27) seems to happen consistently before disconnect-usb messages
[22:52] <pecc> och dem, some googling and an audio dev say this is not a simple issue :I


 @papasfilms [By Wind hellas], Lol worst company ever. I have installed ut on a oneplus3 but havent checked the Sim signal etc. and I have Vodafone.
 I think flashing ut is easier than flashing lineage really
 If you need any help send me a msg, I'm Greek too
 @saligari [If you need any help send me a msg, I'm Greek too], feel free to join the @welcomeplus room to help too :3
 we're currently trying to help someone flash his tablet
 [Edit] we're currently trying to help someone flash his tablet over there
[04:38] <ubptgbot> Ryan Nicholl was added by: Ryan Nicholl
[04:40] <ubptgbot> <Ryan Nicholl> Hello. Has anyone attempted to install Ubuntu on an Walmart Onn Pro 8" Tablet? It's a $90 tablet and I thought it'd be decent to experiment with, with high availability so I bought a few. I have one I don't mind bricking.
 @Ryan Nicholl [Hello. Has anyone attempted to install Ubuntu on an Walmart Onn Pro 8" Tablet? I …], hi, have you seen our devices page at devices.ubuntu-touch.io? it is all explained there
[04:48] <ubptgbot> <Ryan Nicholl> It's not listed...
[04:48] <ubptgbot> <Ryan Nicholl> Does nobody reverse engineer the blobs?
 i believe there's an explaination concerning devices not listed.......
 but no, reverse engineering the blobs is a multi  year high investment low return project on its own
 (Photo, 419x414) https://irc.ubports.com/xkDQrAEJ.png your best bet is that link over there
 @Ryan Nicholl [Hello. Has anyone attempted to install Ubuntu on an Walmart Onn Pro 8" Tablet? I …], To the best of my knowledge no one has attempted porting to that device yet. Info on how you can port yourself is at http://docs.halium.org/en/latest/porting/first-steps.html … and … http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/Intro.html …
[04:51] <ubptgbot>  Also http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/halium_9/Halium_9_GSI_porting.html
 well, it's android 10, so will have to wait for halium 10 i guess
 assuming kernel and stuff are available
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 @klaartje_b [Excuse me as I do the happy dance.], Be sure to log it :-)
 @saligari [If you need any help send me a msg, I'm Greek too], Thanks!
[07:14] <ubptgbot> Something Else was added by: Something Else
[07:14] <ubptgbot> <Something Else> hi, is there any way to donate with paysafe cards?
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[07:49] <ubptgbot> <Ryan Nicholl> is there any tablet I can buy that is compatible with ubuntu?
[07:49] <ubptgbot> <Ryan Nicholl> I cannot seem to buy the ones listed
 @Ryan Nicholl [is there any tablet I can buy that is compatible with ubuntu?], With Ubuntu or Ubuntu Touch? Plenty with Ubuntu, only the listed for Ubuntu Touch. Ask me in off topic if you're interested in which ones will run straight Ubuntu, or Ubuntu with Unity 7
 @Ryan Nicholl [is there any tablet I can buy that is compatible with ubuntu?], [Edit] With Ubuntu or Ubuntu Touch? Plenty with Ubuntu, only the listed for Ubuntu Touch. Ask me in off topic (overflow) if you're interested in which ones will run straight Ubuntu, or Ubuntu with Unity 7
 @YougoChats [Be sure to log it :-)], I've posted all that I know on the UT forum for others to find! And right now it just started getting Telegram / Teleports notifications too. I may be getting tired of that soon but for now it's super nice. 🤩
 @klaartje_b [I've posted all that I know on the UT forum for others to find! And right now it …], Once you've had enough, you can change the notification settings per chat.
 @imraniqbal [Once you've had enough, you can change the notification settings per chat.], On Teleports, I assume. That sounds like a plan.
 (Photo, 1080x767) https://irc.ubports.com/WONxXzvn.png
 😘👍
 @klaartje_b [On Teleports, I assume. That sounds like a plan.], ^ You can hit the the chat name and then change the notifications for the chat.  But you can do this from any connected Telegram client.  Personally, I do it all from Telegram Desktop.
 Oh that's even better. Found it, thank you!
[10:09] <ubptgbot> urotuleloMh was added by: urotuleloMh
[10:14] <ubptgbot> Christian6447 was added by: Christian6447
 Is it possible to unlock your UT device using your fingerprint?
 @papasfilms [Is it possible to unlock your UT device using your fingerprint?], yes
 @thisisthethirdshoukosaccount [yes], Thanks!
 Usually yes, so long as the device has a fingerprint reader and that functionality has been implemented.
 I can see on the website that it is
 so it "should" work
 that
 That's the magic word: should
[10:26] <ubptgbot> <Dolinta Cristian> hi all, how to install kernel source for 4.4.156-danctnix+, need this to install anbox arm64
 (Photo, 280x590) https://irc.ubports.com/7ZNepQAU.png
 Lavender?
[11:19] <ubptgbot> <Dolinta Cristian> yes
 lavender kernel should already support Anbox
 you just need to install images manually
[11:37] <ubptgbot> DonBock78 was added by: DonBock78
[11:50] <ubptgbot> <Dolinta Cristian> @NotKit [lavender kernel should already support Anbox], ok but when i install from official ubports documentation i get message that anbox for arm64 is not availeable yet
[11:50] <ubptgbot> <Dolinta Cristian> https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/dailyuse/anbox.html#how-to-install
[11:56] <ubptgbot> <Dolinta Cristian> @NotKit [lavender kernel should already support Anbox], could you send link to install images?
 (Sticker, 423x512) https://irc.ubports.com/9ps0HqAG.webp
 @Dolinta Cristian [could you send link to install images?], see https://gist.github.com/Vince1171/69cdcb2e90f2c70e3ee24de93da8caac
[11:58] <ubptgbot> <Dolinta Cristian> thanks
 @amyosx [<reply to media>], This is my new pog emote btw
 @amyosx [This is my new pog emote btw], It made me feel super validated just now. 🙏
[12:12] <ubptgbot> Danny was added by: Danny
 Hi guys, can I install Ubuntu touch on Oppo A12?
 Hi. No, we do not have support for Oppo devices other than OnePlus
 @NotKit [Hi. No, we do not have support for Oppo devices other than OnePlus], Ok. Thanks for the quick reply. Cheers!
 Attn developers: do you know how GREAT of an OS you have had a hand in producing? Seriously it is quite a feat. My N5 is faster than my 2 year old Moro G6. Love using UT! pPlus with a lot of people dropping WhatsApp I miss less and less from android all the time :—)
 I'm waiting for GPS and Whatsapp support so i can switch
 Also idk if my games would also make the jump
 [Edit] Also idk if my games would be able to also make the jump
 @Cerealesgratis [I'm waiting for GPS and Whatsapp support so i can switch], gps is there
 Does it work with gps localizers?
 My family needs to know where I am when outside
[13:45] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> @Cerealesgratis [I'm waiting for GPS and Whatsapp support so i can switch], isnt there anbox
 @Cerealesgratis [I'm waiting for GPS and Whatsapp support so i can switch], for WhatApp support please contact Whatsapp :3
 @Cerealesgratis [Does it work with gps localizers?], what do you mean "gps localizers"?
[13:51] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> @Cerealesgratis [My family needs to know where I am when outside], In PureMaps you can indeed share your position.
 @TotalSonic [Is there a folder these are imported into which I can manually delete them from?], The workaround is to add one more new image, then select for deleting, it only works when a new image has just been added
 I have a branch. Where I am redesigning that page, only one bug left to fix(but not a regression)
 I do need help on it, haven't been able to figure it out
[14:02] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> I personally don't feel a need of whatsapp
[14:03] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> it's not that hard to switch to matrix or signal, or whatever non-datamining service
 i don't either, but my family does
[14:03] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> @Cerealesgratis [i don't either, but my family does], can you get them to switch? let me go find a flyer
 @Fuseteam [what do you mean "gps localizers"?], life360 for example
 switch to something else
 @Heng Ye [can you get them to switch? let me go find a flyer], nope, they won't
 already tried
 @UniversalSuperBox [I'm not sure, but I thought there was a problem with deleting them when you only …], havent been able to delete custom background images for a long time
 @Cerealesgratis [life360 for example], it won't work, unless someone develops a similar app
 @Cerealesgratis [life360 for example], [Edit] it won't work in principle, unless someone develops a similar app
 it was probably overlooked in testing because it does work momentarily if you add a image first
 @Cerealesgratis maybe a solution is to carry another phone in backpack or somewhere that can do that and WhatsApp
 [Edit] @Cerealesgratis maybe a solution is to carry another phone in backpack or somewhere that can do that and WhatsApp to connect via web client
 https://github.com/ubports/system-settings/pull/208 @TotalSonic
 @NotKit [@Cerealesgratis maybe a solution is to carry another phone in backpack or somewh …], That's a solution
[14:07] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> @NotKit [@Cerealesgratis maybe a solution is to carry another phone in backpack or somewh …], hrmmm does that mean can setup a VPS running android and connect web client...
 @Heng Ye [isnt there anbox], does it run apk games?
 Hi folks, are the 64bit versions of ubsync and wake-it in progress?
 yes, but he also wants GPS tracker thing
 Also I have to check if my phone is even compatible
[14:07] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> @Cerealesgratis [does it run apk games?], depends what you mean by games. There are many different games. Chess will probably work
 @Cerealesgratis [does it run apk games?], no graphics acceleration yet
[14:08] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> @mateosalta [no graphics acceleration yet], chess will work i think
 I see
 ultimate 3d chess ;0 ?
 @wayneTBT [Hi folks, are the 64bit versions of ubsync and wake-it in progress?], ubsync is a bit diffy, the dev has been struggle with getting it ported to arm64 for a while now
 as for wake-it looks up the repo
[14:12] <ubptgbot> KMSaidy was added by: KMSaidy
 hmmm github we so need to get a github action thingie going 🤔
 @mateosalta how difficult would it be to get a arm64 version of wake-it?
 oh, I would have to look at it
 [Edit] @mateosalta how difficult would it be to get a arm64 version of wake-it going?
 that was a cool app made by nathan osman
 it is indeed xD
 @Fuseteam [ubsync is a bit diffy, the dev has been struggle with getting it ported to arm64 …], Oh, thats a pity
 I took over maintenance since I don't think he is on ubuntu touch anymore
 @wayneTBT [Oh, thats a pity], iirc there were some hardcoded shenanigans going on
 @Fuseteam [ubsync is a bit diffy, the dev has been struggle with getting it ported to arm64 …], [Edit] Oh, thats a pity. Its a super useful app (in my world at least)
 @Fuseteam I forwarded your message to my saved messages will take a look on one of my nights off ;)
 thanks o7
 Ok, thanks for the update folks
 welcome to the community @KMSaidy
 hey today i installed ubuntu tuch on my redmi note 7 pro,and i am sending the message from ubuntu touch,but i am facing a huge problem with the font,i cant see the 'Bangla' font in any where on the device
 bangla as in the language?
 @Fuseteam [welcome to the community @KMSaidy], thanks 😍
 @Fuseteam [bangla as in the language?], no
 what do you mean with a 'bangla' font?
 hm, sometimes font problems can be fixed with ubuntu instructions https://shunnobindu.wordpress.com/2016/11/25/fix-bangla-font-problem-in-ubuntu/
 but you would have to mount the system r/w
 i mean if text are unreadable that sounds like a issue
 @Fuseteam [what do you mean with a 'bangla' font?], bangla is a language,i mean bangla is not listed on ubuntu touch language list
 @Fuseteam [i mean if text are unreadable that sounds like a issue], yes
 thats the problem
 @mateosalta [hm, sometimes font problems can be fixed with ubuntu instructions https://shunno …], thanks,i am going to cheak it
 Apparently redmi note 8 pro is not compatible
 you might only be able to get it displayed? someone would have to create a keyboard, system translation, ect
 sorry for the bad English
 ah right that's an issue yes, but uh this is somewhat 2-3 fold, are you looking to get the os to display everything in bangla or are you just looking to make bangla text readable, or are you looking to type bangla text?
 or all three of 'em
 @KMSaidy [sorry for the bad English], this might be easier https://askubuntu.com/questions/858178/how-to-install-bangla-font-in-ubuntu-16-04
 @mateosalta [this might be easier https://askubuntu.com/questions/858178/how-to-install-bangl …], hmm looks like making it readable might be easiest of the bunch hehe
 but on the phone:
 @mateosalta [this might be easier https://askubuntu.com/questions/858178/how-to-install-bangl …], [Edit] hmm looks like making it readable might be easiest of the bunch to fix hehe
 @mateosalta [but on the phone:], i mean that would mean ut has to ship it no?
 @mateosalta [but on the phone:], [Edit] i mean that would mean ut just has to ship it no?
 @Fuseteam [ah right that's an issue yes, but uh this is somewhat 2-3 fold, are you looking …], i want both.read and write  … but at first i need to display bangla text on browser,telegram messages
 sudo mount -o remount,rw /
 sudo apt update
 sudo apt install fonts-beng
 in the terminal app
 @mateosalta [this might be easier https://askubuntu.com/questions/858178/how-to-install-bangl …], should i follow this?
 those three commands i put up there ^^
 ok
 thanks thanks
 follow the commands mateo gave for now: … ```sudo mount -o remount,rw / … sudo apt update … sudo apt install fonts-beng```
 for brevity :P
 [Edit] follow the commands mateo gave for now: … ```sudo mount -o remount,rw / … sudo apt update … sudo apt install fonts-beng … sudo``` `mount -o remount,ro /`
 ok i will tell you the result
 [Edit] follow the commands mateo gave for now: … ```sudo mount -o remount,rw / … sudo apt update … sudo apt install fonts-beng … ````sudo mount -o remount,ro /`
 sudo apt install fonts-beng
 er clipboard
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-keyboard/+bug/1500627
 oh, looks like we need to do some google research on these two old apps?
 wonder if anyone kept an old archive of the old apps
 oh my 🤔
 was probally a app where you type, and then copy the output?
 this makes me very curious 🤔
 i think we may have to contact anupam 🤔
 I will send a email from launchpad, but a post from 2016...
 well, long shot
 hmmm yeah
 nothing to lose i suppose
 their last activity seems to be somewhere in 2020 so yeah worth a shot
 cool, sent.
 hey boss!thanks a lot
 now i can see bangla text
 nice
 Dhonnbad vai(bangla)= thanks bro(english)
 now what to do for bangla keyboard leyout?
 that would be harder
 in desktop usually i use avro phonetic on ibus
 @mateosalta [that would be harder], 😑
 can i do that in ubuntu touch
 ?
 yeah so that will be harder, we'll need first know how typing bangla works than we create a keyboard layout for it
 ibus is more for a physical keyboard
 oh, it that made in qt?
 hm, this could be intresting
 hmmmm
 #notes
 https://github.com/OpenBangla/OpenBangla-Keyboard
 depending on the phone this might work in libertine?
 or long shot it might compile since it is qt,
 @KMSaidy can you do two things for me? … - create an issue on github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch that bangla text is not readable … - create an issue on github.com/ubports/keyboard-component that we are missing a bangla keyboard layout
 @Fuseteam [yeah so that will be harder, we'll need first know how typing bangla works than …], in android i use Ridmik keyboard. … bangla has different type of keyboard leyout
 yes we will need to create that layout
 @Fuseteam [@KMSaidy can you do two things for me? … - create an issue on github.com/ubports/u …], https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/1617
 @UniversalSuperBox [https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/1617], oh hey its an open issue 👀
 @UniversalSuperBox [https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/1617], ok brother
 @UniversalSuperBox [https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/1617], looks like we 'just' need an extra package @UniversalSuperBox
 at least for display
 yeh
 i agree
 it so easy think to do
 but the keyboard is fact
 its the easiest of the bunch, keyboard will take a bit more time
 should i open for keyboard?
 yes please do
 ok
 hey morp browser is not opening
 eh?
 its only loading
 yeah
 but i used it some time ago
 maybe close it and open it again?
 just found out the name of our keybaord " Maliit" means small in Filipino
 yay, search results
 yay lol
 wikipedia once had the word on this page at one time
 (Photo, 625x130) https://irc.ubports.com/TpWgSbnB.png
 so with our keyboard— i really should look into how bangla input works 🤔
 cant find it on the current page though...
 oh hey 👀
 .....so with our keyboard we use a maliit plug in it is fairly easy to add an additional layout, the iss— i mean the question with bangali is does it work differently than our existing methods?
 (Photo, 309x670) https://irc.ubports.com/01WYbKAB.png kinda hard to tell :x
 are they just combining characters?
 @KMSaidy is this the keyboard you usually use?
 @mateosalta [are they just combining characters?], it might be yeah 🤔
 might just be able to lay them out in a keyboard, or substitute them in the proper spots
 quick and not so good way - take the emoji keyboard, and just type in all the charecters in the character list
 i think the japanese method may have the needed logic but the actual data might need to be added 🤔
 i'm not sure indic languages work like that
 .....i'm just trying this ridmik keyboard it seems to be a bit more uh nuanced than just combining characters
 ah
 @Fuseteam [i'm not sure indic languages work like that], but we got no complains about Hindi?
 @NotKit [but we got no complains about Hindi?], we just did, toda— wait hindi? do we have hindi support?
 (somehow when I think of India I associate it with "VoLTE" rather than input methods)
 👀
[15:14] <ubptgbot> nologo was added by: nologo
 hey borthers i'm little bit busy now,i will contact later
 so sorry
 cool
 no worries
 hey
 i am there
 @mateosalta [https://github.com/OpenBangla/OpenBangla-Keyboard], should i try this?
 @KMSaidy [should i try this?], long shot
 @Fuseteam [<reply to media>], quick question @KMSaidy is this the keyboard you use on android?
 which phone is this, does libertine work with it?
 @Fuseteam [quick question @KMSaidy is this the keyboard you use on android?], i use ridmik app.and layout is avro whichone is showing in this.... … but not everyone use the avro.there are many more ,like prothabi,jatiyo,iunijoy etc
 @KMSaidy [i use ridmik app.and layout is avro whichone is showing in this.... … but not ever …], that is ridmik that's why i'm asking
 oh wait so the layout in that picture is called avro
 [Edit] oh wait so the layout in that picture is called avro?
 @KMSaidy [i use ridmik app.and layout is avro whichone is showing in this.... … but not ever …], oh wait so the layout in that picture is called avro?
 @KMSaidy [i use ridmik app.and layout is avro whichone is showing in this.... … but not ever …], [Edit] oh wait so the layout in that picture is called "avro"?
 yes
 i now notice ridmik has 3 layouts, is the second layout more popular?
 @mateosalta [which phone is this, does libertine work with it?], Redmi Note 7 Pro (violet). Whether it works probably depends on if he uses Erfan's GSI zip or @mardytardi's port
 its "avro".and its not an official layout bcz it use english font to type bangla,just like you type “A” - it will show you the bangla alphabet that is close to ”A” by the pronunciation. but its huge popular.may bee most populer in mobile devices.but "unijoy" ja
 @mateosalta [just found out the name of our keybaord " Maliit" means small in Filipino], it is so it feels a little weird for me whenever I read it 😄
 and there's no Filipino keyboard or language :( … which actually make sense because we always use English anyway 😅
 @KMSaidy [its "avro".and its not an official layout bcz it use english font to type bangla …], oh cool. which one is better for mobile?
 @NotKit [Redmi Note 7 Pro (violet). Whether it works probably depends on if he uses Erfan …], i used Mardytardi's
 @Javacookies [it is so it feels a little weird for me whenever I read it 😄], 😁
 @Fuseteam [oh cool. which one is better for mobile?], 1) avro … 2)provat … 3)jatio
 if you ask for official layout ist provat or jatio
 could probally put the font characters in  the hold box
 (Photo, 1080x2340) https://irc.ubports.com/ngprGd38.png
 I installed an alternative media viewer (so I can watch the video I record) - can I make this the default player so I can launch it from the camera app?
 @mateosalta [could probally put the font characters in  the hold box], sorry i dont get what you say
 are you saying about avro layout?
 @KMSaidy [1) avro … 2)provat … 3)jatio], thanks can you add these details to the issue you open on github.com/ubports/keyboard-component?
 @mateosalta [could probally put the font characters in  the hold box], i don't think that will work out sadly
 im thinking on how to make the keyboard
 the language is really different, i think its what we call an abjad 🤔
 [Edit] the language is really different, i think its what we call an abjad or abugida not sure 🤔
 [Edit] the language is really different, i think its what we call an abjad or abugida not sure which 🤔
 @mateosalta [im thinking on how to make the keyboard], oh you should make it with avro
 @Paul [I installed an alternative media viewer (so I can watch the video I record) - ca …], no, there's no way to specify default apps for different content on lomiri
 @KMSaidy [oh you should make it with avro], and as a desktop app  avro is open source .....
 can i help you in any way?
 ah found it its an abugida where the next character you type modifies the previous on hmmm that's not unlike korean and thai now i think about it 🤔
 @KMSaidy [can i help you in any way?], sure if you want you could help with making the keyboard layout
 tho it is slight more difficult than a regular layout
 [Edit] tho it is slightly more difficult than a regular layout but it should be doable
 i would ask you to compare it with thai but uh that's probably not so easy
 @Fuseteam [sure if you want you could help with making the keyboard layout], i will be glad
 the difficulty with it is familiarity with the language and languages and work like it
 @Fuseteam [tho it is slightly more difficult than a regular layout but it should be doable], yes
 first thing is first, have managed to open an issue about it?
 [Edit] first things first, have managed to open an issue about it?
 @Fuseteam [the difficulty with it is familiarity with the language and languages and work l …], you can contact me on my inbox
 @Fuseteam [first things first, have managed to open an issue about it?], still no
 do you mean via personal message?
 not
 @KMSaidy [still no], send me a personal message when you find the chance to do that
 @Fuseteam [do you mean via personal message?], yeah
 @KMSaidy [yeah], ok 👍
 ok
 @dohbee [no, there's no way to specify default apps for different content on lomiri], Is it worth me trying to rename the app?
 @Fuseteam [send me a personal message when you find the chance to do that], How?
 @KMSaidy [How?], uh lemme do it the other way around then
 you can message me any time
 even now
 i just did
 @Paul [Is it worth me trying to rename the app?], no.
 (Photo, 1080x2340) https://irc.ubports.com/Df0ZOgZ9.png
 whats wrong
 yeah google doesn't like third parties any more
 eh? that's the web browser 😔
 @dohbee [yeah google doesn't like third parties any more], What the F*
 yeah....
 @Fuseteam [eh? that's the web browser 😔], Now the way to get gamil?
 what channel are you on btw?
 gamil?
 gmail
 yeah
 and my 'contacts' also
 uh not if google sign in is not working
 [Edit] uh not if google sign in is not working sadly
 is there any browser that can?
 on ut? not currently no
 here's the issue in question https://github.com/ubports/account-plugins/issues/40
 @Fuseteam [on ut? not currently no], shit!
 btw what channel are you on? stable/rc/devel?
 no idea why it's failing in the browser for you though
 yeah that got me curious too
 last i checked it didn't fail in the browser
 but i'm usually on devel
[19:06] <ubptgbot> <Ted Rendol> @KMSaidy [<reply to media>], Ut dont like google ;)
 @Ted Rendol [Ut dont like google ;)], no no no no tis the opposite, google dont like ut
 @Ted Rendol [Ut dont like google ;)], [Edit] no no no no tis the opposite, google dont like ut :p
[19:08] <ubptgbot> <Ted Rendol> @Fuseteam [no no no no tis the opposite, google dont like ut :p], i think so :)
 the secret operating system google hates
 [Edit] __the os google doesn't want you to use__
 [Edit] the os google doesn't want you to use
 i don't think google cares about UT
 or even knows about it
 😂 fair enough
 i doubt there is some conspiracy. so please don't perpetuate any such nonsense in that direction
 it is too proprietary, so we can't predict its behaviour
 that's a good one 😂
 They're Google... they know everything 👀
 i mean i do doubt they care about UT
 we're too small for them to care anyway :P
 Using upstream 5.15 webengine would maybe helped. Google didn't like old chromium I think
 the account plugin issue or the browser issue shown above?
[19:17] <ubptgbot> <Ted Rendol> @dohbee [i don't think google cares about UT], Google trying to protect its property from mobile systems it  not control.  … they follow the development of UT more than us. ha ha
 i am able to log into google on the latest devel, it might be that mardytardi's port uses an older version of morph
 I think that google is trying predict safety based on useragent string - (account plugin) and browser features and behaviour
 @Ted Rendol [Google trying to protect its property from mobile systems it  not control.  … they …], i was joking earlier btw, we aren't big enough for google to care about what we do
 @Danqok [I think that google is trying predict safety based on useragent string - (accoun …], yes its blocking everything that is not a browser
 we need updated webengine and faking some common useragent
 interestingly enough i managed add a google account with the online accounts plugin that ships with unity 7
 @Danqok [we need updated webengine and faking some common useragent], that will likely not help
[19:19] <ubptgbot> <Ted Rendol> @Fuseteam [i am able to log into google on the latest devel, it might be that mardytardi's …], Me to can login , i gree
 @Fuseteam [that will likely not help], then nothing would 😩
 @Danqok [then nothing would 😩], that's the issue we are facing :p
 I am worried too
 [Edit] I am worried too 😀
 @Fuseteam [here's the issue in question https://github.com/ubports/account-plugins/issues/4 …], this issue kinda does give us a bit more insight
 this comment in particular: https://github.com/ubports/account-plugins/issues/40#issuecomment-613547348
 i think it's not so simple
[19:34] <ubptgbot> <Ted Rendol> @Fuseteam [i was joking earlier btw, we aren't big enough for google to care about what we …], Yes but i think at a certain stage of development, they will buy one of the mobile Linux distributions. Just like Microsoft became friends with Linux Suse.
[19:34] <ubptgbot> <Commander Revan> Hello, I installed Ubuntu Touch onto an unlocked Nexus 5 with the windows software but after installation it is stuck on the google screen. any help would be appreciated
 Hello and welcome! Sorry, what is 'the Google screen'?
[19:37] <ubptgbot> <Commander Revan> its just a black screen that says google when it rebooted after install
 Is it the phone's start screen?
 @Ted Rendol [Yes but i think at a certain stage of development, they will buy one of the mobi …], microsoft what now?
 @klaartje_b [Is it the phone's start screen?], yes the bootloader screen
 @Commander Revan [its just a black screen that says google when it rebooted after install], nexus 5 does this sometimes. hold power button to force reboot and it should clear up
 @Commander Revan [Hello, I installed Ubuntu Touch onto an unlocked Nexus 5 with the windows softwa …], that sounds like the installed failed
 @dohbee [nexus 5 does this sometimes. hold power button to force reboot and it should cle …], ohw nvm
[19:40] <ubptgbot> <Commander Revan> I re installed twice. guess 3rd really is the charm
[19:41] <ubptgbot> <Commander Revan> thank you]
 @Commander Revan [I re installed twice. guess 3rd really is the charm], don't reinstall just reboot
 @Commander Revan [I re installed twice. guess 3rd really is the charm], [Edit] don't reinstall just force reboot
[19:41] <ubptgbot> <Commander Revan> i tried that it was still stuck .its all good tho
 @dohbee [i think it's not so simple], nothing ventured nothing gained i guess, if their goal is to secure against man-in-the-middle attacks then who knows maybe it more simple than we'd expect
 @Commander Revan [i tried that it was still stuck .its all good tho], could you get ahold of the logs?
 if anything google ever did was simple, we wouldn't be having such problems in the first place
 well uh true i suppose but considering morph isn't considered "insecure" on the latest devel it does makes on wonder how they are differentiating between the two
 there is also the observation that online accounts does appear to work on ubuntu desktop but not on ut
 but that observation would need to be verified if its even relevant
[19:48] <ubptgbot> <Ted Rendol> @Fuseteam [microsoft what now?], mean 2006 collaboration with novell
 ......that's about 14 ye— uh 15 years ago
 so that sounds like the time before they embraced open source
 anyway that's off topic
 Hi folks, is there any real benefit to running the 64bit version of UT on my Xperia X, especially as there are a few key apps (at least key to me) that I use that arent available on the 64bit install.  If I run the UBPorts installer and select the 32bit verision, will all my apps and settings remain on the device?
 you'd need to reinstall all the apps of course, because 64-bit apps can't run on 32-bit
 i think 64-bit might perform a bit better though? not sure
 ok, I see. But the config and settings, would they remain?
 if you don't wipe data, i guess so
 you can back up first, too
 I see, thanks for your thoughts.  Ah ok, is there a forum post that shows the backup procedure?
 there was one, but i don't have the link
 Ok thanks, I'll have a dig around.
 wake it should be available soon-ish given the maintainer's update record so far
 [Edit] wake it should be available soon-ish given the maintainer's update record so far fwiw
 Ok, thanks for the heads up on that.
 ubsync shouldn't be that hard to get working either
 I appreciate all you efforts and I dont mean to come across as one of those types that wahts this and that.
 [Edit] I appreciate all you efforts and I dont mean to come across as one of those types that wants this and that.
 we know, just providing what we can in info
 [Edit] we know, just providing what we can in info :3
 [Edit] I appreciate all your efforts and I dont mean to come across as one of those types that wants this and that.
 I appreciate that too.
 @dohbee [no.], Cheers!
 @wayneTBT [I appreciate that too.], guess i meant to so we appreaciate your feedback ;)
 Well, I am definitely one of those types who wants this and that, and I'm super happy with UT... because it already does a whole lot of this and that and it is getting better all the time. ❤ … So there!
 well put 😂😂😂
 speaking of which
 i'm not far behind xD
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 What is that keyboard?..
 I was going to impress all y'all with a picture of messages in this group shown on my Pebble... but then I have an OpO and the camera would not focus and the picture came out like crap. 😂
 no such bots here Shaheda
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[23:57] <ubptgbot> <Commander Revan> any support on wearable smartwatches?
 asteriod os has a app, there is rockwork for the old pebble stuff