[04:20] <micahg> andreserl: I made the patch for testdrive in Lucid to support Vbox 3.2
[04:21] <andreserl> micahg, I saw it but haven't had the time to SRU it, and I might be SRUing (or probably backporting) a new upstream release with fixes
[04:21] <andreserl> that I'd like to see in Luicd
[04:22] <micahg> andreserl: stuff that you could backport into -updates?
[04:22] <andreserl> micahg, yeah just backport from maverick to lucid
[04:22] <andreserl> micahg, I'm going to upload a new upstream this week
[04:23] <micahg> andreserl: that probably won't work as they're totally different versions, but crazier things have happened
[04:23] <andreserl> that I'll probably request to backport, I just need to add one more feature to it
[04:23] <andreserl> micahg, all the new changes to testdrive work in Lucid, since I'm coding in Lucid
[04:23] <micahg> andreserl: oh, for -backports it would be fine :)
[04:23] <andreserl> yeah backports :)
[04:24] <micahg> andreserl: k, well, if you don't SRU anything, can you upload my fix or subscribe sponsors if you don't have the time
[05:38] <EzraR> anyone seen Persia?
[05:38] <EzraR> ;)
[05:44] <nigelb> EzraR: yeah, he's back from vacation, but still busy apparently
[05:44] <nigelb> he'll be back online in a few days
[05:45] <EzraR> thank you
[07:01] <dholbach> good morning
[08:37] <geser> good morning
[09:15] <huats> morning
[10:17] <BlackZ> StevenK: are you working on the opal merge?
[11:51] <BlackZ> didrocks: thanks for your fix in e-d-s
[11:51] <didrocks> BlackZ: you're welcome :)
[13:14] <asac> if that doesnt help i will just review etc
[13:14] <asac> oops
[13:15] <asac> would someone be available to review http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/render-bench
[13:15] <asac> ?
[13:15] <asac> :-P
[13:22] <alf__> Hi all! Does anyone have some time for reviewing render-bench (XRender benchmark): http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/render-bench ?
[13:28] <asac> persia: can you help alf__ ?
[13:28] <asac> (getting connnected)
[15:23] <rsajdok> I try to execute this command:
[15:23] <rsajdok> debdiff fsniper_1.3.1-0ubuntu3.dsc fsniper_1.3.1-0ubuntu4.dsc > fsniper.debdiff
[15:23] <rsajdok> I get error:
[15:23] <rsajdok> http://paste.ubuntu.com/456410/
[15:23] <rsajdok> Why? I made my gpgkey
[15:24] <StevenK> rsajdok: That isn't a error, it's warning you it can't check other peoples public keys
[15:29] <rsajdok> StevenK: but if a file, which I did, "fsniper_1.3.1-0ubuntu4.dsc" should not be properly checked?
[15:32] <StevenK> rsajdok: If you signed that file, you shouldn't get that notice for it, yes
[15:52] <Daviey> rsajdok: What are you doing with fsniper?
[15:53] <rsajdok> Daviey: reading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/devweek1001/FixSmallBugs
[15:54]  * Daviey looks
[15:54] <rsajdok> StevenK: I added line: 'export GPGKEY=62D51E30' to ~/.bashrc
[15:54] <rsajdok> Do I have to do more something else?
[15:56] <arand> rsajdok: Do you have DEBFULLNAME and DEBEMAIL set the same as your key? And does debuild -S finish without errors?
[15:57] <carstenh> rsajdok: | Warning: You do not seem to have interdiff (in the patchutils package)
[15:57] <carstenh> rsajdok: you should install this
[15:58] <arand> That should be in ubuntu-dev tools I assume..
[15:58] <arand> *ubuntu-dev-tools (package)
[15:59] <rsajdok> arand: yes, these values are the same
[15:59] <carstenh> I hope not
[15:59] <persia> arand: patchutils actually
[15:59] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: could you use a syncpackage script for sponsorship?
[15:59] <ari-tczew> oh, persia come back
[15:59] <rsajdok> arand: ubuntu-dev-tools is already the newest version.
[16:01] <arand> Well supposedly ubuntu-dev-tools Depends: devscripts Recommeds: patchutils, but yea, if you don't have patchutils install it...
[16:04] <arand> rsajdok: Your DEB vars should be setup like so (in ~/.bashrc): http://paste.ubuntu.com/456431/
[16:05] <arand> Oh, and you should have quotation marks around the space-separated vaulues as well ↑↑
[16:05] <rsajdok> ok, I do not have installed patchutils
[16:06] <rsajdok> thanks all  of you
[16:10] <rsajdok> In this guide, the lack of information about the package "patchutils" https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/devweek1001/GetStarted/
[16:11] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: what's this in relation to?
[16:12] <carstenh> rsajdok: what's the output of the following command?
[16:12] <carstenh> grep -i recommends /etc/apt/apt.conf /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/*
[16:12] <rsajdok> carstenh: sorry, i must go home :) bye
[16:13] <carstenh> nevermind ...
[16:13] <carstenh> dholbachs fault ...
[16:14] <carstenh> apt-get install --no-install-recommends ubuntu-dev-tools ... does of course not install patchutils
[16:15] <carstenh> hmm, on the other side debdiff is not mentioned on this page, so it was not missed by him ( sorry dholbach )
[16:15] <dholbach> carstenh: what are you talking about?
[16:17] <carstenh> dholbach: rsajdok complained that a missed package on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/devweek1001/GetStarted/. this was missed due using --no-install-recommends, but since debdiff is not mentioned on this page there is not an error
[16:17] <dholbach> oh, I see
[16:17] <dholbach> thanks for that
[16:17] <dholbach> must have missed it
[16:18] <carstenh> how could you miss it if debdiff is not mentioned on this page?
[16:19] <dholbach> this was a live session
[16:19] <dholbach> it's very easy to make that kind of mistake
[16:19] <dholbach> and luckily people usually have command-not-found installed
[16:19] <dholbach> which will give them a hint
[16:21] <carstenh> dholbach: the reason to highlight you was not to accuse you but to point you to this in case you want to fix it, but looks like there i nothing to fix
[16:22] <dholbach> carstenh: in the session afterwards: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/devweek1001/FixSmallBugs
[16:23] <dholbach> 17:28	dholbach	debdiff fsniper_1.3.1-0ubuntu2.dsc fsniper_1.3.1-0ubuntu3.dsc > fsniper.debdiff
[16:23] <dholbach> 17:30	dholbach	you might also need the patchutils package, so please install that too
[16:23] <dholbach> but I'll make sure to get it right for the session I give this time :)
[16:23] <carstenh> looks like you though of everything :)
[16:23] <carstenh> +t
[16:24] <dholbach> carstenh: no, I guess the mistake really happened during the session
[16:24] <dholbach> carstenh: but it was brought up in #ubuntu-classroom-chat so I corrected myself in #ubuntu-classroom
[16:24] <dholbach> I'll test it this time in a chroot beforehand :)
[16:24] <dholbach> thanks for bringing it up carstenh
[16:25] <Daviey> dholbach: Next time, please don't fix a bug it seems i may have introduced pls :)
[16:25] <dholbach> Daviey: what? :)
[16:25] <Daviey> dholbach: I think that fsniper doc fix you did in that session was my oops.. :)
[16:26] <dholbach> oh, ok :)
[16:26] <Daviey> not certain.. it was a package i originally debianzed.. but someone else took it over.. so it was either me or him
[16:26] <Daviey> quite exciting having a bazillion people loom at your mistake :P
[17:10] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: relation?
[17:12] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: i.e. what are you referring to
[17:13] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: then you should ask which bug.
[17:13] <ari-tczew> this is a bug 599002
[17:14] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: oh, so you are saying I should use syncpackage rather than wait for archive admins to sync?
[17:14] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: would be nice
[17:15] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: effect is the same
[17:15] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: ok
[17:16] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: you should set -n UPLOADER_NAME (me) and -b BUG
[17:27] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: thanks! and as you see, we don't need waiting for archive admins :)
[17:28] <ari-tczew> I encourage you to use it for other sponsorships done by you tumbleweed
[17:28] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: yeah, probably will, thanks
[17:28] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: no, it's me thanks for you - quick response!
[20:31] <arand> It'd be great to get Bug #198724  fixed for 1010, but what is it that actually needs doing to make it happen? It seems likel it's currently just blocked for no reason (I've used a rebuilt amd64 version just fine..)


[01:54] <amireldor> so it's<EMAIL_ADDRESS>-- right?
[01:54] <amireldor> no flame wars plz
[01:55] <amireldor> I'm a "Vim cream" user
[02:26] <ed> Hello. Could someone help me with a highly technical grub rescue problem?
[02:27] <Guest79022> Is anyone here?
[02:32] <vamg-pe> Por favor, necesito contactarme (webcam o voz) con alguien que sepa y me pueda ayudar a instalar y configurar bien, particionando y redireccionando la "Carpeta personal (/home)" a una partición nueva o disco duro para datos en Ubuntu 14.04 LTS, Ubuntu Studio 14.04 LTS, Lubuntu 14.04 LTS y Xubuntu 14.04 LTS. Desde ya gracias.
[02:33] <vamg-pe> ¿Hay alguien aquí?
[02:35] <vamg-pe> Please, I need to contact (webcam or voice) someone who knows and can help me to install and configure fine, partitioning and redirecting the "personal folder (/ home)" to a new partition or hard disk for data in Ubuntu 14.04 LTS Ubuntu Studio 14.04 LTS, 14.04 LTS and Lubuntu Xubuntu 14.04 LTS. Thanks in advance
[02:36] <vamg-pe> Is anybody here?
[09:44] <iftikhar-tutul> I am using Openerp on my cloud server
[09:44] <iftikhar-tutul> when it takes so much time to start this application on browser
[10:47] <belkinsa> Please ask in #ubuntu, iftikhar-tutul, since this is a supprot question not a LoCo related quested.
[10:47] <belkinsa> question*
[15:57] <amireldor> is jose here?
[16:19] <Geochr> Ubuntu Greece received the package with DVDs yesterday!!!
[16:19] <Geochr> I hope all teams received too soo...!
[16:19] <Geochr> soon*


[01:16] <mikedep333> rhpot1991, oh, thanks!
[01:17] <mikedep333> bahh, $50 for a one time update: http://www.amazon.com/Garmin-n%C3%BCMaps-Onetime-Navigator-America/dp/B0026MTATW/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1294103771&sr=8-2
[01:17] <mikedep333> only 3/5 stars
[01:17] <mikedep333> $73 for a lifetime update, with only 4 /5 stars: http://www.amazon.com/Garmin-n%C3%BCMaps-Lifetime-America-Updates/dp/B001PKTFM8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1294103771&sr=8-1
[02:54] <jthan_> andrew: Victorinox money clip w/ knife andw hat not built in. I recently broke my money clip and haven't replaced it yet. I thought that was fitting for a scout
[04:09] <ChinnoDog> tar_over_netcat++
[04:09] <ChinnoDog> lzop_compressed_tar_over_netcat++
[04:12] <ChinnoDog> That is so cool seeing all my files go into tar on one screen and see them dumped out a few seconds later on my other screen
[11:56] <SamuraiAlba> mornin, lamalex
[11:56] <SamuraiAlba> How is Maine?
[13:26] <andrew> Morning
[13:47] <ChinnoDog> om nom sheetz breakfast sandwich
[13:48] <jedijf> nom fail, watery oatmeal
[13:48] <jedijf> trade ya
[14:02] <ChinnoDog> I like my oatmeal watery. But, then I cook it extra long so it congeals correctly
[14:09] <waltman> It's easy to fix watery oatmeal -- just cook it a little longer so some more water boils off.
[14:11] <ChinnoDog> That happens too but first the oatmeal turns to glue, which is good if there is a lot of water because it becomes thicker, but bad if you didn't use enough water
[14:12] <ChinnoDog> my oatmeal: one packet, add extra water, cook until polymerized
[14:12] <ChinnoDog> then, add splash of milk
[14:12] <andrew> This sounds too much like science
[14:13] <ChinnoDog> It is! It also conserves oatmeal, and calories.
[14:14] <jedijf> oatmeal_conservation--
[14:14] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: sometimes I just think you are soooo odd
[14:15] <waltman> ChinnoDog: Hint: you don't get to lecture the rest of the channel about the proper way to prepare oatmeal if your first ingredient is "one packet".
[14:15] <jedijf> waltman++
[14:15] <jedijf> even though, I too, am a packet guy
[14:16] <jedijf> waltman: oatmeal alert - best oatmeal in philly - coventry deli - 20th& market
[14:16] <waltman> I will on rare occasions make instant, but it's much better if you cook real rolled oats.
[14:16] <jedijf> i once, stopped for oatmeal, got towed, and didn't care - that's how good it is
[14:17] <ChinnoDog> I don't eat instant anymore. For awhile Quaker was making packets that had uncooked oats in it. I bought those because it was easier (and more portable) than mixing flavorings into uncooked and measuring out
[14:17] <ChinnoDog> If you have a recipe to duplicate the flavorings in uncooked oats, I am interested in that!
[14:17] <waltman> I use sugar-in-the-raw.  It's got enough flavor that I don't feel the need to add anything else.
[14:18] <andrew> http://i.imgur.com/6edYs.png
[14:19] <ChinnoDog> That isn't enough. WhenI was a kid I was never able to add enough stuff to the unflavored packets in my oatmeal variety pack to make them palettable
[14:40] <lamalex> SamuraiAlba, pretty nice
[14:40] <lamalex> I'm a little homesick but that's expected
[14:53] <ChinnoDog> lamalex: what are you doing in Maine?
[14:53] <lamalex> living
[14:56] <ChinnoDog> I must be.. behind. You moved to Maine?
[15:13] <lamalex> yeah
[15:14] <ChinnoDog> lamalex: when did that happen?
[15:14] <lamalex> a week ago
[15:15] <ChinnoDog> Do you know anyone else up there?
[15:19] <jedijf> you're behind, so go with he knows pleia2
[15:20] <ChinnoDog> pleia2 does not live in Maine
[15:32] <andrew> Didn't she used to live in maine?
[15:33] <ChinnoDog> Knowing someone that used to live where you are doesn't count. :-p
[15:35] <lamalex> ChinnoDog, no not really
[15:35] <lamalex> I'm pretty much on my own
[15:35] <lamalex> it was kind of a dumb decision
[15:36] <andrew> Go on
[16:03] <erstazi> anyone know a free cellphone carrier lookup service?
[16:04] <ChinnoDog> You mean to identify carrier based on number?
[16:06] <waltman> lamalex: Why did you move to Maine?
[16:07] <erstazi> ChinnoDog: correct.
[16:07] <waltman> Job?
[16:10] <lamalex> waltman, no reason
[16:11] <waltman> crazy!
[16:20] <ChinnoDog> lamalex: Where specifically do you live?
[16:22] <waltman> In a log cabin somewhere deep in the north woods, I bet.
[16:39] <lamalex> no, Portland
[16:39] <lamalex> although I've been looking at land out towards the mountains
[16:39] <lamalex> it's pretty cheap
[16:48] <mikedep333> hey lamalex
[16:48] <lamalex> Hey
[16:50] <mikedep333> I hope you're finding portland nice and bike friendly.
[16:52] <lamalex> wrong portland
[16:52] <lamalex> Maine
[16:52] <lamalex> erm
[16:52] <mikedep333> oh
[16:52] <lamalex> there are still lots of bike lanes and stuff up here
[16:52] <lamalex> just also snow and ice
[16:52] <mikedep333> yeah
[16:53] <mikedep333> as opposed to freezing rain
[16:53] <waltman> Are you finding it cold and snowy? :)
[16:53] <lamalex> waltman, not yet, it hasn't been any worse than philly
[16:53] <mikedep333> it was snowy a week ago!
[16:53] <lamalex> we're getting snow again this weekend though
[16:53] <lamalex> it was in the 50s over the weekend
[16:53] <mikedep333> yeah
[16:53] <mikedep333> it's 40' today
[16:54] <mikedep333> wow, a freenode channel where we can use fahrenheit!
[16:55] <mikedep333> ok, lunchtime
[17:11] <waltman> Wait, so 50F, that's 10C, right?
[17:12]  * waltman ducks
[17:13] <andrew> yes
[17:24] <mikedep333> exactly 10C
[17:24] <mikedep333> 32F = 0C
[17:25] <mikedep333> +18F = +10C
[17:25] <pleia2> that's not how it works
[17:25] <pleia2> oh, I see what you are saying
[17:25] <pleia2> :)
[17:25] <mikedep333> I thought 1.8F = 1.0C
[17:25] <mikedep333> yeah
[17:25] <pleia2> yeah
[17:25] <pleia2> I thought you were adding something
[17:26] <andrew> just use w|a like i did
[17:26] <mikedep333> 50 = 32 + 18
[17:26] <andrew> -40=-40
[17:26] <mikedep333> 32 being the freezing in F
[17:27] <mikedep333> and if you add 18F, which is the same as added 10C
[17:27] <mikedep333> 68F = 20C = room temperature
[17:27] <mikedep333> *same as adding 10C
[17:36] <andrew> pleia2: I hear they discontinue calendars every december
[17:38] <pleia2> the calendars end, they don't discontinue :P
[17:38] <pleia2> they'd been releasing Disney Days calendars since at least 1997, I've had one every year since then
[17:38] <pleia2> none for 2011 :(
[17:38] <andrew> you don't have a W&G calendar?
[17:39] <pleia2> I have a W&G wall calendar, not a daily one
[17:39] <pleia2> and I only have the wall calendar because it was shipped to me by a company in the UK for promoting some of their new products, they're usually stupid expensive to get here
[18:08] <SamuraiAlba> Netgear - Used for skeet shooting.
[18:09] <mikedep333> SamuraiAlba, yup, nice blue target
[18:10] <mikedep333> although their cheap plastic consumer products deserve more to be used as a target than their blue metal products
[18:12] <andrew> I have one of their blue metal things... apparently the power adapter isn't covered under the lifetime hardware warranty
[18:12] <waltman> pleia2: I picked up a lovely WWF penguin-a-month calendar at Borders last week for 50% off :)
[18:13] <andrew> suggestions as to where to get a 12VDC 1Amp adaptor for a reasonable cost?
[18:13] <waltman> Radio Shack?  Microcenter?
[18:13] <waltman> Home Depot?
[18:15] <andrew> Home Depot would have them?
[18:15] <waltman> I confess I don't even know what it is. :)
[18:16] <waltman> But Lowes and Home Depot both stock lots of electrical stuff.
[18:16] <pleia2> I don't actually have a very good place to put a wall calendar
[18:17] <waltman> oh, THAT'S what it is.
[18:17] <waltman> doubtful on the depot.
[18:18] <SamuraiAlba> I have a WPN824 v1
[18:18] <waltman> possible on microcenter
[18:18] <SamuraiAlba> Dang thing reboots whenever the phone rings or the microwave is used, and then DHCP craps out
[18:20] <ChinnoDog> Are you sure that the outlet it is plugged into is properly grounded?
[18:21] <andrew> tested on multiple outlets, and with an identical (working) adapter
[18:28] <ChinnoDog> How cheap do you want to be? http://www.sciplus.com/index.cfm/go/front.tagged/tag/DC
[18:29] <ChinnoDog> Oh. None of those adapters meet your specs
[18:29] <andrew> Ideally something that works...
[18:29] <andrew> most i've found are about $20 (product + shipping)
[18:31] <ChinnoDog> Wait, your router uses 12 watts? 12v @ 1A seems like a lot...
[18:33] <andrew> it's a http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833122203
[18:34] <mikedep333> andrew, I may have one
[18:34] <mikedep333> there are adjustable adapters
[18:34] <mikedep333> ChinnoDog, that's the absolute max, but yeah
[18:34] <mikedep333> as in the TDP, including power spikes
[18:35] <ChinnoDog> oh. I thought we were talking about something much smaller than that.
[18:36] <mikedep333> andrew, good news. I have Linksys 12V 1A adapter. I think it's a spare
[18:37] <mikedep333> looks like the standard size plug
[18:38] <mikedep333> yeah, it fits in my netgear switch which takes 12V 1.2A
[18:39] <andrew> Now I have to remember where you are located, I was thinking for a moment that I was in #plug, but I'm not.
[18:58] <mikedep333> can anyone suggest any videos for my youtube playlist?
[18:58] <mikedep333> http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=21BA3922659341DA
[18:59] <mikedep333> "Silly Portrayals of Hacking"
[19:03] <mikedep333> nm, found this
[19:03] <mikedep333> http://io9.com/5643388/the-10-goofiest-computer-hacking-scenes-in-cinema-history
[19:58] <ChinnoDog> Is Android on a tablet just like Android on a cell phone, only bigger?
[19:58] <andrew> Is iPad just like iPhone, only bigger?
[19:59] <waltman> pretty much, yeah
[19:59] <andrew> http://www.begeek.fr/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/691404701.jpg
[20:00] <waltman> I mean, it's the same OS, but apps can do more with the increased screen real estate.
[20:00] <andrew> potentially
[20:00] <waltman> it's an iOS world, we just live in it.
[20:00] <andrew> last I checked, Android hasn't been designed to optimally take advantage of tablets
[20:00] <waltman> speaking of which, the Apple App Store goes live on Thursday.
[20:01] <andrew> (and actually limits screen size if you want to official market)
[20:01] <andrew> waltman: so.. what linux has had for years, apple will finally get?
[20:02] <waltman> linux has an app store?
[20:02] <andrew> In concept, assuming that it's  like a repository system
[20:03] <waltman> only at a high level
[20:04] <waltman> I have to admit that the iPhone app store, for being an evil corporate monopoly and all that, is actually quite nice.
[20:04] <ChinnoDog> An Ubuntu app store would be awesome
[20:04] <waltman> it would
[20:04] <pleia2> that's what the software center is
[20:05] <pleia2> there are paid applications in it
[20:05] <ChinnoDog> There are?  I never go in there. lol
[20:05]  * ChinnoDog goes to look
[20:05] <waltman> and...is it awesome?
[20:05] <pleia2> in addition to all the free ones
[20:05] <pleia2> waltman: it is!
[20:06]  * waltman also confesses he runs debian, not ubuntu :(
[20:06] <pleia2> I think there are only 3 paid apps at the moment
[20:06] <waltman> hah
[20:06] <ChinnoDog> This app store is not awesome. WEhre are the paid apps?
[20:06] <waltman> but hey, you've got to start somewhere!
[20:06] <ChinnoDog> s/WEhre/where
[20:07] <pleia2> ChinnoDog: there isn't a different between paid and free in the interface, there are like 20,000 free and 3 paid ;)
[20:07] <pleia2> s/different/difference
[20:08] <ChinnoDog> Oh. So, they have a repo but then you have to license it to use it?
[20:08] <pleia2> actually, there should be a "for purchase" section
[20:08] <pleia2> brukkon is a paid app
[20:08] <pleia2> and fluendo
[20:09] <ChinnoDog> Oh. The software center in 10.10 on my desktop has a For Purchase. The one on my laptop in 10.04 is not as organized.
[20:09] <pleia2> I don't think 10.04 has any paid apps
[20:09] <pleia2> 10.10 is when they added it to the software center
[20:10] <ChinnoDog> Well, that is interesting. I don't think it is well known or popular enough to get any developers to scrable to put anything in it though
[20:10] <pleia2> you're an ubuntu developer and didn't know about it..?
[20:10] <ChinnoDog> At least, nothing that didn't already exist as a paid app for linux.
[20:10] <pleia2> I think that would be unusual, it's been talked about a lot
[20:10] <pleia2> planet, news, articles
[20:10] <ChinnoDog> I never have a reason to open software center!
[20:11] <ChinnoDog> I didn't even know what it looked like.
[20:11] <pleia2> heh
[20:11] <ChinnoDog> I always install from command line, synaptic, or ubuntu-tweak
[20:11] <pleia2> but you're saying you wished something existed and it does, I figured you would have at least looked to see if it existed before you complained ;)
[20:13] <ChinnoDog> The Ubuntu implementation of the "app store" is not the same as iPhone / Android, but not because of its functionality. On those platforms you have to go through the store to get pretty much everything.  IN this case, it is a part of the OS that new users see and others may never see.
[20:14] <ChinnoDog> I have not published any apps, but I think the allure of iPhone app store and Android market for developers is that you can publish something and people will find it, because it will be shoved in front of them the instant they search for it or something like it.
[20:15] <ChinnoDog> In Ubuntu (and linuxes in general) it is not nearly as easy to accidentally discover a useful application. You have to go on a hunt.
[20:16] <waltman> I think the allure of the app store for many iphone developers is that they'll make some money off of their app.
[20:17] <ChinnoDog> Right, but that will not happen unless 95% of the people out there are exposed to your app
[20:17] <waltman> Well, they're different sorts of apps.  Most things I use on Linux can't be summed up with 3 or 4 screenshots.
[20:18] <waltman> they're by their nature much more visual
[20:18] <ChinnoDog> Shareware would work well in Ubuntu because it is easy to add/remove it whenever you wish, and apt will clean up after it
[20:19] <waltman> and they've got a professional marketing staff making sure the front page is all shiny
[20:19] <ChinnoDog> Unlike a certain other operationg system...
[20:22]  * SamuraiAlba hides his 9 windows 7 home premium licenses...
[20:28] <andrew> plural?
[20:28] <andrew> wait
[20:28] <andrew> 9
[20:28] <andrew> why?
[20:29] <andrew> At 9, wouldn't it be easier to manage if you had pro instead of home?
[20:30] <andrew> @ping
[20:30] <andrew> That reminds me
[20:30] <andrew> bts3685|1ps: ping me when you get a chance
[20:33] <SamuraiAlba> Hey.5 at GFs
[20:33] <SamuraiAlba> oops
[20:33] <SamuraiAlba> 5 at GFs
[20:33] <SamuraiAlba> 3 at grammies
[20:33] <SamuraiAlba> and a spare license to go on GFs sisters PC
[20:34] <SamuraiAlba> Went legit :O
[20:34] <waltman> I don't know you people anymore!
[20:34] <SamuraiAlba> I run Ubuntu 10.10 on my lappie and desk
[20:35] <pleia2> ChinnoDog: I think you'll find yourself a very unusual Ubuntu user who doesn't know about the software center, it's what all new users use to get applications
[20:35] <pleia2> synaptic is pretty much gone, most new users won't touch the command line
[20:36] <andrew> I'm wating for the day: < ChinnoDog > I just installed Ubuntu xx.xx and I can't find Synaptic. How an I supposed to install new software other than using the command line?
[20:36] <pleia2> hehe
[20:38] <andrew> I admit I'm still clinging to synaptic (well, mostly the command line)
[20:38] <andrew> But honestly, I just opened USC, searched for 'svn' and Bazaar is the top result
[20:38] <ChinnoDog> There is always aptitude!
[20:39] <ChinnoDog> Although, that is not part of the default install anymore...
[20:39] <andrew> aptitude & vim-full
[20:52] <SamuraiAlba> ok... How do I run multisystem as root?
[20:57] <waltman> aptitude++
[20:57] <waltman> what does synaptic give you that aptitude doesn't?
[20:58] <deejoe> an s?
[20:58] <ssweeny> a gtk gui?
[20:58] <deejoe> yeah, that
[20:58] <deejoe> ;-)
[20:58] <waltman> Oh, I was thinking it was a command-line app.
[20:59] <SamuraiAlba> gtk gui
[20:59] <andrew> What do you mean by "run multisystem as root"?
[20:59] <deejoe> ssweeny: thanks for the "gtk" qualifier.  I've started to get a little  . . . hurt . . . with the idea that ncurses interfaces are somehow not considered "graphical" simply because the are character-addressable rather than pixel-addressable
[21:00] <SamuraiAlba> http://liveusb.info/dotclear/index.php?
[21:00] <SamuraiAlba> En Francais
[21:00] <ssweeny> deejoe: i spend enough of my time buried in ncurses interfaces to appreciate them
[21:01] <deejoe> \o/
[21:03] <MutantTurkey> anyone know if a good usb debugging tool?
[21:04] <andrew> I prefer canned air
[21:05] <deejoe> -.-
[21:05] <andrew> We are talking about getting bugs out of USB, right?
[21:14] <DJAshnar> How do I login as ROOT in Ubuntu 10.10?
[21:15] <MutantTurkey> DJAshnar: use su
[21:15] <DJAshnar> how do I use it?
[21:15] <ChinnoDog> sudo su -
[21:15] <MutantTurkey> yep, or su if you know the root password
[21:16] <DJAshnar> the app multisystem says not root
[21:16] <MutantTurkey> i am getting quite angry at my new android phone, the usb isn't working anymore after the samsung update, i tested on two linux boxes and now i'm giving up home, i reset it but that didn't work :|
[21:17] <MutantTurkey> ssweeny: nothing wrong with ncurses.
[21:17] <DJAshnar> http://liveusb.info/dotclear/
[21:18] <DJAshnar> trying to run that app as root
[21:22] <DJAshnar> MutantTurkey,  which phone is it? and what carrier?
[21:22] <MutantTurkey> DJAshnar: at&t Samsung GalaxyS Captivate
[21:23] <DJAshnar> GSM?
[21:23] <MutantTurkey> gsm?
[21:23] <DJAshnar> Is AT&T a GSM carrier?
[21:23] <MutantTurkey> i have no idea what gsm is
[21:24] <DJAshnar> nm.  Found they are.  Return your fone
[21:24] <ChinnoDog> Yes, AT&T is GSM
[21:24] <DJAshnar> Buy a Nokia N900
[21:24] <DJAshnar> Debian deriviative :)
[21:24] <DJAshnar> Best phone I have seen.  Android is a pale shadow
[21:24] <ChinnoDog> The answer to "how do I fix this?" should rarely be "stop using it"
[21:24] <andrew> but... does it have angry birds?
[21:24] <MutantTurkey> Android OS is brutally crappy.
[21:25] <DJAshnar> ummm...
[21:25] <DJAshnar> no AB
[21:25] <andrew> MutantTurkey: compared to?
[21:25] <MutantTurkey> andrew: linux
[21:25] <ChinnoDog> MutantTurkey: did you look online to see if the update killed/crippled the USB for anyone else?
[21:25] <DJAshnar> Android sucks rotten goat compared to it.
[21:25] <MutantTurkey> ChinnoDog: yeah i've been doing some googleing around.
[21:26] <andrew> MutantTurkey: Mind being a bit more specific on that response?  I don't know of anyone who runs vanilla linux on their phone.
[21:26] <DJAshnar> http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/
[21:26] <DJAshnar> there u go :)
[21:26] <MutantTurkey> andrew: lol
[21:27] <MutantTurkey> the only output i get from dmesg is like this http://pastebin.com/t61eLH86
[21:27] <mikedep333> MutantTurkey, you updated your captivate from samsung's website?
[21:27] <mikedep333> and it said the update was for the AT&T model?
[21:27] <mikedep333> DJAshnar, the N900 does not do AT&T's 3G frequencies
[21:28] <mikedep333> he'd only be on 2G
[21:28] <MutantTurkey> mikedep333: the only update it did was from the little dialog box under settins
[21:28] <MutantTurkey> i figured that would be safe ._,
[21:28] <mikedep333> otherwise, I would have bought one for myself on AT&T
[21:28] <mikedep333> MutantTurkey, and it updated?
[21:28] <mikedep333> like, a big update?
[21:28] <mikedep333> took minutes?
[21:28] <MutantTurkey> yes
[21:28] <MutantTurkey> it had to reboot and then went to a little update screen and then booted regularly
[21:28] <MutantTurkey> then a few days later i tried to add more music to my phone and the usb wasn't working
[21:29] <mikedep333> MutantTurkey, I wouldn't put it beyond AT&T to put some sort of DRM on their USB connection. After all, they don't allow sideloading of apps.
[21:29] <mikedep333> what are you using to connect your phone?
[21:29] <mikedep333> what software are you using on linux?
[21:30] <MutantTurkey> mikedep333: the regular usb cable
[21:30] <mikedep333> yeah
[21:30] <mikedep333> what software on linux?
[21:30] <MutantTurkey> mikedep333: no software
[21:30] <mikedep333> hmm
[21:30] <mikedep333> that may be the problem
[21:30] <MutantTurkey> Arch Linux box, i just use the command line
[21:30] <mikedep333> yeah
[21:30] <mikedep333> what happened before?
[21:30] <MutantTurkey> well before it would recognize it
[21:31] <mikedep333> the phone prompted you to enable usb storage?
[21:31] <MutantTurkey> yes
[21:31] <MutantTurkey> then i did
[21:31] <MutantTurkey> i plugged, linux registered, android prompted, mounted  androided ( i belive, i only did it twice)
[21:31] <mikedep333> they may have made an incompatible update. after all, the only official recognized platform is linux (and maybe OS X), but let's see what we can do
[21:32] <MutantTurkey> :| i also tried enabling usb debugging, rebooting the phone, all the good stuff, tried two different linux boxes as well.
[21:32] <mikedep333> you could install the android SDK. It may help you with mass storage. I've only ever used it for the android debugger (ADB) which is very powerful
[21:32] <mikedep333> http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html
[21:32] <MutantTurkey> i have that installed
[21:33] <MutantTurkey> adb didn't find any phones
[21:33] <mikedep333> did you update?
[21:33] <mikedep333> it has an updater built in
[21:33] <MutantTurkey> yes
[21:33] <mikedep333> and you may have to kill the old adb server or whatever
[21:33] <mikedep333> and run it as root
[21:33] <MutantTurkey> let me re upgrade
[21:33] <mikedep333> ok
[21:34] <MutantTurkey> up to date
[21:34] <mikedep333> hmm
[21:34] <mikedep333> what's the daemon called?
[21:34] <mikedep333> that loads when you run the adb
[21:34] <mikedep333> often I have to run adb as root or with sudo
[21:34] <mikedep333> to make the daemon run
[21:35] <MutantTurkey> okay i'll try that
[21:35] <mikedep333> hold on, let me switch to my linux box
[21:35] <MutantTurkey> daemon started successfully
[21:35] <DJAshnar> ok... know any chants to the old gods?
[21:36] <MutantTurkey> shark bait OOO HA HA
[21:36]  * DJAshnar chants for MutantTurkey
[21:36] <DJAshnar> Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!  Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!  Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
[21:36] <MutantTurkey> starts tribal dance
[21:36] <MutantTurkey> /o/
[21:37] <MutantTurkey> \o\
[21:37] <MutantTurkey> \o/
[21:37] <MutantTurkey>  Phkaaka Phkaaka Phkaaka Chai Chai Raha'hueni Chai Phkaaka Phkaaka Phkaaka Raha'hueni
[21:38]  * mikedep333_ starts booting his android tablet
[21:38] <MutantTurkey> (: thanks bro
[21:38] <DJAshnar> Cat just jumped on the lappy...
[21:39] <DJAshnar> BAD PUSS PUSS!
[21:39] <mikedep333_> oh, right, it's not USB powered
[21:39] <mikedep333_> brb
[21:39] <mikedep333_> like 1-2 mins
[21:40] <DJAshnar> I want a Nook Color.  Rooted.   Cheap ebook readers are B&W only and have management overhead, color e-ink isn't available and color tablets/readers have the same display tech as my phone anyway.
[21:42] <mikedep333_> hmm, ok, I'll just use my phone
[21:42] <mikedep333_> which is much more real supported product
[21:42] <MutantTurkey> :o
[21:43] <ChinnoDog> So, soon as an android phone is released with a large color e-ink display, I'll be there.
[21:43] <mikedep333_> DJAshnar, don't forget about the archos 70
[21:43] <mikedep333_> it's getting amazing reviews on amazon
[21:44] <mikedep333_> http://www.amazon.com/Archos-70-Internet-Tablet-Black/dp/B00422SH5C/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1294177454&sr=1-1
[21:44] <mikedep333_> hmm, I thought amazon was selling it
[21:45] <mikedep333_> it's like all 4 or 5 star reviews. and most of the 4 star reviews are by non-techies and/or before the december firmware update
[21:45] <SamuraiAlba> this multisystem app is gonna make me kick a kitten
[21:47] <mikedep333_> sigh, what's the adb command to list connected devices?
[21:47] <mikedep333_> nm "adb devices"
[21:47] <MutantTurkey> okay
[21:49] <mikedep333_> hmm
[21:49] <mikedep333_> I think adb runs as the daemon
[21:50] <MutantTurkey> it does
[21:51] <mikedep333_> hold on, updating to my SDK tools rev8
[21:51] <mikedep333_> hold on, updating to my SDK tools rev8
[21:53] <mikedep333_> hmm, did my adb get deleted?
[21:55] <mikedep333_> yeah, it looks like they removed the adb
[21:55] <MutantTurkey> i give up :|
[21:57] <mikedep333_> wait
[21:57] <mikedep333_> I have to install the "platform-tools"
[21:57] <mikedep333_> which I'm doing now
[21:59] <mikedep333_> well, regardless
[21:59] <mikedep333_> you're using the sdk revision 8
[21:59] <mikedep333_> which has the android 2.3 stuff
[21:59] <mikedep333_> install the platform-tools package
[21:59] <mikedep333_> go to the platform-tools folder
[22:00] <mikedep333_> run: sudo ./adb kill-server
[22:00] <mikedep333_> then: sudo ./adb devices
[22:00] <MutantTurkey> i have adb currently
[22:00] <MutantTurkey> adb devices returns empty
[22:03] <SamuraiAlba> ok...  I miss Northern Cali. Souther Cali, not so much.
[23:06] <pleia2> erstazi: I am a bit jealous of your snow, but I really do love it here
[23:06] <waltman> it's cool and damp, much like JonathanD's basement :)
[23:07] <pleia2> first time living in a city too, it's very novel to have a coffee shop in the same building as where I live
[23:07] <pleia2> haha
[23:07] <erstazi> pleia2: no you are not. We, in Erie, got 38" in 24 hours.
[23:07] <waltman> I'm jealous of the chipotle across the street :)
[23:08] <waltman> a chipotle that sells beer!
[23:08] <lamalex> I wish I had paid more attention in my operating systems and C class where they taught us how to do hex
[23:08] <pleia2> I like 38" in 24 hours!
[23:08] <waltman> lamalex: It would help much with your hex bolts!
[23:08] <waltman> s/would/won't/
[23:08] <lamalex> oh damn, really?
[23:09] <lamalex> see, if I had paid attention I would have known that
[23:09] <waltman> sorry
[23:09] <pleia2> lol
[23:09] <waltman> How can you get a CS degree and not know how to do hex?
[23:09] <lamalex> Temple!
[23:09] <lamalex> woo!
[23:09] <waltman> what did they teach you at Temple?
[23:09] <lamalex> I can do hex
[23:09] <lamalex> just not well
[23:10] <waltman> what's there to know?
[23:10] <lamalex> like I was trying to figure out if I could bit shift 0xff00ff into 0xff0000
[23:10] <waltman> nope
[23:10] <lamalex> right so that's probably why I couldn't figure it out
[23:10] <lamalex> but the fact that I didn't know that bummed me out
[23:10] <lamalex> I could do two shifts though right
[23:11] <lamalex> shift 0xff00ff into 0xff00 and then 0xff00 into 0xff0000
[23:11] <waltman> you could also do 0xff00ff & 0xffff00
[23:11] <lamalex> yah
[23:11] <lamalex> no
[23:12] <lamalex> yah
[23:12] <waltman> or 0xff00ff & 0xff0000
[23:12] <lamalex> right that's why I said no the first time
[23:12] <lamalex> long story short no pleia2 it's not pink but it's red
[23:13] <lamalex> apparently I'm not as bad with hex as I thought, but just am not /comfortable/ around it
[23:13] <lamalex> jthan, pay attention in class
[23:13] <lamalex> good advice
[23:13] <pleia2> red is acceptable
[23:13] <lamalex> otherwise you'll end up like me, with a sweet job but ALONE
[23:14] <lamalex> bald, depressed
[23:14] <waltman> once you get some road salt caked on it, it'll look pink anyway
[23:14] <mikedep333> lamalex, did you state why you moved to portland? I thought Canonical's only US ofice is in Boston.
[23:14] <lamalex> mikedep333 yah i work from home
[23:14] <lamalex> i move for no reason
[23:14] <mikedep333> that's very rational
[23:15] <lamalex> yah, I'm realizing that
[23:15] <lamalex> it sounded like a good idea at the time
[23:15] <mikedep333> famous last words
[23:15] <waltman> It's good to be around other people sometimes.
[23:16] <waltman> Well, I suppose you can take the train down to Boston if you need to visit the home office.
[23:16] <mikedep333> yeah, one reason why I accepted this job in the Philly burbs is that my Dad lives here still, and I have a lot of my HS friends here
[23:16] <lamalex> I traded numbers with someone today, so hopefully I'll have a friend soon
[23:16] <waltman> is she hot?
[23:16] <lamalex> yeah
[23:16] <waltman> yay
[23:16] <lamalex> babe and a hal
[23:16] <lamalex> f
[23:17] <lamalex> and even better, she has a friend who rides bikes
[23:17] <lamalex> so once I meet him, I'm set
[23:17] <lamalex> hm #ubuntu-us-me is invite only
[23:17] <mikedep333> WOW
[23:17] <mikedep333> the ubuntu community has no policy for or against that?
[23:17] <waltman> you need to get in with the local computer/bike geek community there.
[23:18] <mikedep333> maybe they've had disruptive users come in and are locking it down temporarily
[23:18] <mikedep333> when I hung out in #reactos, they sometimes locked down the channel for important meetings
[23:19] <mikedep333> ReactOS btw: http://www.reactos.org/en/index.html
[23:19] <mikedep333> it's basically a GPL clone of windows
[23:20] <mikedep333> they wouldn't exist if it were not for wine's libraries that they can directly import, and being able to base their native implementations of off wine's windows to unix translations (for lack of a better word)
[23:20] <mikedep333> they use other open source projects' code too
[23:21] <mikedep333> I think just like microsoft, they used BSD network code and network CLI utilities
[23:22] <erstazi> trying to find the best merchant for authorize.net
[23:22] <erstazi> finding someone lower than 2.19% is daunting.
[23:43] <jedijf> MutantTurkey: look up - usb is listed in top bar when connected, then you can choose how to mount it
[23:44] <jedijf> MutantTurkey: you can also set that in settings, to happen automagically at connection
[23:44] <jedijf> a little counter-intuitive; like 2 steps, but once you know the secret
[23:44] <jedijf> and to use sdk, have to turn on usb debugging
[23:45] <jedijf> that's thru settings as well ^^^^