[13:28] <BluesKaj> Hiyas al
[13:29] <BluesKaj> a=all, not just a guy named al :)
[17:04] <billybigrigger> -ca is up to 38 idle users now? wow :P hehe
[17:08]  * genii-around slides billybigrigger a coffee
[17:08] <billybigrigger> just in time! i almost had to get up and get my own hah
[17:09] <billybigrigger> genii-around: thanks for saving me from that!
[17:09] <genii-around> Heh, anytime
[20:34] <khoover> hey, willwh, what's up with all the # and . in the default WP css?
[22:45] <willwh> khoover: I have no idea - like I said, not really a WP dude ;]
[22:47] <khoover> willwh, well, what does # before a...shit, what do you call the tags a css rule modifies inside the sheet?


[01:25] <fluvvell> looking for some pointers with mythbuntu-diskless, I have dhcp and pxe booting working, but my nbd-server is not playing ball. I end up at  Negotiating:  on the client
[01:25] <fluvvell> sorry Negotiation:  then it seems to hang, but comes back to the initramfs  prompt sometime later.
[02:11] <stratagem_bot> I should be able to pass-thru digital audio from hdmi going to tv, and out to a speaker/amplifier system right?  logitech Z-5500
[02:12] <stratagem_bot> I tried setting audio output device to ALSA:hdmi, speakers 5.1, upconvert, digital output device to default, and enabled dolby/dts
[02:13] <stratagem_bot> also turn off use internal volume controls
[02:23] <stratagem_bot> I see hdmi as device 0,3 and mythfronend setup even lists alsa:digital, hdmi, and plughw:0,3 but none of them work?
[05:22] <oobe> Hi Im running mythbuntu 10.04 for a few months with out problems
[05:22] <oobe> now all of a sudden the frontend takes ages to load
[05:23] <oobe> and then crashs half the time
[05:23] <oobe> and its slow and unresponsive when it does work at all
[05:23] <oobe> after googleing i see im not the only one with this problem
[05:23] <oobe> i didnt see a solution though
[05:23] <oobe> is anyone aware of what im talking about and able to give some useful advice
[06:11] <mrand> oobe: did an upgrade occur that triggered the slowness?
[06:16] <oobe> probably i didnt notice exactly when cause i rarely shutdown the FE and restarted it
[06:16] <oobe> i use pm suspend
[06:16] <Chaorain> I'm having a slight problem, Mythtv plays wmv files but I don't get any audio, help please?
[06:18] <oobe> some wmv files use various codecs that ffmpeg is yet to support you can try using an alternate player
[06:18] <oobe> like mplayer or vlc
[06:19] <Chaorain> works in vlc just fine but I'm trying to get all my media in one place
[06:19] <rhpot1991> stop using a closed format?
[06:19] <Chaorain> got it from a website
[06:19] <rhpot1991> tell them to stop using a closed format :) (and don't hold your breath)
[06:19] <Chaorain> when I make videos I will explicityly NOT use wmv
[06:21] <oobe> yea i know how it is
[06:21] <oobe> i come accross video files made by the dumb and lazy windows loving fools too
[06:22] <oobe> people use wmv cause it is easy and they make the mistake of thinking it is widely supported cause its part of windows
[06:23] <oobe> and windows makes the mistake of not releasing codec info
[06:23] <oobe> it would only help them in the long term
[06:24] <oobe> it would make they're shit more accepted
[06:24] <Zinn> oobe: Please watch your language.
[06:24] <oobe> Zinn, please watch your automated responses
[06:24] <Zinn> Hi oobe, something I can help you with today?  I am a bot, use !help to see what I can do.
[06:26] <Zinn> oobe: you watch your non automated responses :)
[06:26] <oobe> ok haha
[07:03] <fluvvell> Does anyone know if diskless-server is going back into mcc at some stage?
[16:42] <tgm4883> fluvvell, only if one of the devs decides to port the plugin from the old MCC
[16:42] <tgm4883> the dev that was responsible for that got busy with school
[16:49] <aurodionov> tests
[20:17] <dewman> so i just noticed that newegg has refurbished hd homeruns for 89.00....
[20:21] <tgm4883> nice
[20:21]  * tgm4883 is waiting for the HDPVR to get cheap
[20:21] <tgm4883> although is you need a tuner thats a great price
[20:30] <Azelphur> tgm4883: btw I solved that weird transparency problem by being a noob and reinstalling Ubuntu
[20:30] <Azelphur> dunno what caused it \o/
[20:34] <rhpot1991> dewman: HDHR is great, and thats a pretty good price
[20:58] <dewman> rhpot1991, thats what I was thinking.....
[20:58] <dewman> I might have to get one...
[21:01] <rhpot1991> dewman: what kind of tuners do you have now?
[21:09] <dewman> rhpot1991, a frame grabber....ecck...http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Pinnacle_PCTV_HD_Card_%28800i%29
[21:09] <Zinn> [www.mythtv.org] Pinnacle PCTV HD Card (800i) - MythTV
[21:10] <rhpot1991> dewman: yes, buy a HDHR immediately
[21:10] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, is the HDHR have analog at all?
[21:10] <rhpot1991> tgm4883: does analog exist anywhere?
[21:10] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, a few places
[21:10] <tgm4883> comcast still does it
[21:10] <rhpot1991> tgm4883: most cable stations moved their analog to clear QAM
[21:11] <rhpot1991> so in theory you can pick that up until comcast turns it off
[21:11] <rhpot1991> I just ignore it cause I know one day it will go away
[21:11] <rhpot1991> tgm4883: my comcast gave out DTAs a while back
[21:11] <tgm4883> I was just saying, if it doesn't, then the only benefit the HDHR has over his current card is it has a 2nd tuner
[21:11] <rhpot1991> tgm4883: its not a frame grabber
[21:11] <dewman> less load on my poor little system.
[21:11] <rhpot1991> and it does multirec
[21:12] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, his card is a digital+analog card
[21:12] <tgm4883> digital cards just write the stream to the disk
[21:12] <rhpot1991> ah, good catch
[21:12] <tgm4883> it's already compressed
[21:12] <tgm4883> so analog is all that matters when talking about frame grabbers and software encoding
[21:12] <rhpot1991> well mutirec and the fact that the HDHR is a good device are still reason enough to get one IMO
[21:13] <dewman> =)
[21:13] <rhpot1991> extra tuners is always a good thing
[21:13] <tgm4883> Thats a big confusion when people switched over to digital, everyone was like, "all of the digital tuners suck, they don't have hardware encoding"
[21:59] <Azelphur> tgm4883: do you happen to know if there's a way of me getting the version of MythFrontend that's in Lucid, on Karmic?
[21:59] <Azelphur> I have some funky hardware that won't boot anything beyond Karmic :(
[22:00] <tgm4883> yes
[22:00] <tgm4883> autobuilds :)
[22:00] <Azelphur> which one do I want, 0.23?
[22:00] <tgm4883> hmm
[22:00] <tgm4883> sec
[22:01] <Azelphur> yea my PC has 0.23.0+fixes24158
[22:01] <tgm4883> what are you running on lucid?
[22:01] <Azelphur> so probably 0.23 :)
[22:01] <Azelphur> everything is on 0.23+fixes24158 atm
[22:01] <tgm4883> yea you can upgrade to 0.23.1 on karmic
[22:02] <tgm4883> only thing that is wonky on karmic is themes don't autobuild
[22:02] <tgm4883> and ATM, vdpau is broke
[22:02] <Azelphur> hehe, no VDPAU on said funky hardware
[22:02] <Azelphur> I'm installing it on a photo frame \o/
[22:08] <Azelphur> tgm4883: hmm, 0.23.0++fixes25362-0ubuntu0++mythbuntu1 is what the ppa seems to give me
[22:08] <Azelphur> I don't think that works with my backend :(
[22:11] <tgm4883> Azelphur, why wouldn't it?
[22:12] <Azelphur> I seem to remember protocol errors, it's nearly done installing so we'll find out soon enough :p
[22:12] <tgm4883> any 0.23.0 version should be compatible with any other 0.23.0 version*
[22:12] <Azelphur> go little photo frame, go :p
[22:12] <tgm4883> *except for a few builds
[22:12] <Azelphur> (MythTV on a photo frame \o/)
[22:13] <tgm4883> what are you installing it on?
[22:13] <Azelphur> a digital photo frame
[22:14] <Azelphur> :D
[22:23] <tgm4883> Azelphur, which one?
[22:23] <Azelphur> the Joggler
[22:24] <Azelphur> http://yourfamily.o2.co.uk/o2familyjoggler/
[22:24] <Zinn> [yourfamily.o2.co.uk] O2 - O2 Joggler: touch-screen device to organise family life.
[22:24] <Azelphur> it's a calendar/photo frame/video playing/youtube type thing
[22:24] <tgm4883> nice
[22:24] <Azelphur> I did it a while back but it messed up, been meaning to set it up again
[22:25] <Azelphur> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgwjPRBAFrU
[22:25] <Zinn> [www.youtube.com] YouTube - Joggler running mythtv with gesture support
[22:25] <Azelphur> here it is being a happy Joggler.
[22:33] <Azelphur> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/August%202010/2010-08-20%2022.23.08.jpg
[22:33] <Azelphur> \o/
[22:33] <Azelphur> clearly needs more MythTV
[22:34] <Zinn> [dl.dropbox.com]
[23:33] <quinten> hi
[23:33] <quinten> i'm trying to make an iso of a dvd that has a scratch
[23:33] <quinten> any good tools to make a copy that ignores the scratches?
[23:33] <quinten> i have a feeling it will still be watchable even with the errors
[23:38] <quinten> i remember this software existing for CDs
[23:41] <Azelphur> quinten: maybe dd
[23:43] <quinten> Azelphur, already tried dd
[23:44] <quinten> i'm looking for something like cdparanoia
[23:45] <Azelphur> will it play in VLC?


[04:12] <doctormo> pleia2: It was good meeting you today :-)
[04:39] <pleia2> doctormo: you too! :)
[15:49] <doctormo> pleia2: Is this tool jono is talking about useful to your IRC lessons?
[15:49] <doctormo> pleia2: should we mention that it should be in cahoots with the learning team?
[15:50] <pleia2> doctormo: possibly, it's a bit unclear


[12:07] <LaserJock> bddebian: hmm, no
[12:08] <LaserJock> interesting
[12:09] <LaserJock> I like how there are lots of little sites with Debian packages that nobody bother's to put in the archives
[12:09] <bddebian> :-)
[12:09] <bddebian> They built scilab with debhelper :-(
[12:09] <LaserJock> at least they are sane ;-)
[12:09] <bddebian> Heh :-)
[12:11] <bddebian> Oh well gotta head home, talk to you all later
[12:11] <LaserJock> cya bddebian
[12:23] <crimsun> oh god, eye-stabbity sound fun
[12:32] <theCore> is it possible to get mplayer source package?
[12:32] <crimsun> do you mean upstream upstream or the version we use?
[12:32] <crimsun> the former is at www.mplayerhq.hu; the latter is ``apt-get source mplayer''
[12:32] <theCore> well, I just need the debian/ folder
[12:33] <theCore> apt-get source doesn't work with mplayer
[12:33] <crimsun> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/m/mplayer/mplayer_0.99+1.0pre7try2+cvs20060117-0ubuntu8.diff.gz
[12:33] <crimsun> yes it does.
[12:33] <crimsun> do you have the deb-src line for multiverse?
[12:33] <theCore> Hmm... maybe not
[12:35] <theCore> deb-src for multiverse was missing
[12:35] <theCore> thanks crimsun
[12:35] <crimsun> np
[01:03] <nexu> is it save to dist-upgrade to edgy for dbus atm?
[01:04] <crimsun> I wouldn't.
[01:04] <crimsun> you /may/ be able to get away with using it in a chroot
[01:05] <nexu> so how about just using the dbus 0.62 from edgy in dapper?
[01:08] <ajmitch> morning
[01:08] <crimsun> 'morning ajmitch
[01:08] <crimsun> nexu: you have rope, of course you can hang yourself
[01:08] <crimsun> nexu: why is 0.62 critical?
[01:08] <nexu> crimsun: x_X
[01:08] <nexu> crimsun: dev testing
[01:08] <nexu> crimsun: no its not critical
[01:08] <crimsun> nexu: then use edgy in a chroot
[01:09] <nexu> k
[01:09] <nexu> or i might go copmile dbus 0.62 myself ...
[01:10] <crimsun> sure, you're free to do whatever
[01:10] <nexu> just asking :>
[01:11] <nexu> yeah wait, i'll brb..gonna jump off a flat
[01:32] <zul> hey
[01:33] <ajmitch> hi zul
[01:34] <ajmitch> morning jsgotangco
[01:34] <jsgotangco> good morning ajmitch
[01:35] <zul> hey ajmitch how is the land down under?
[01:35] <jsgotangco> heh
[01:41] <ajmitch> so much work...
[01:42] <zul> quit complaining ;)
[01:44] <zul> hehehe...someone said merge
[02:10] <crimsun> probably not a good idea to use edgy's sudo
[02:10] <ajmitch> how broken is it today?
[02:12] <crimsun> bug 51246
[02:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 51246 in sudo "1.6.8p12-4ubuntu1 update causes parse errors" [Critical,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/51246
[02:13] <ajmitch> a good thing I enable root on my systems
[02:18] <TheMuso> there is a newer version.
[02:18] <TheMuso> (edgy)luke@marlon:~/Projects/Ubuntu_Development/edgy/sources/speech-dispatcher$
[02:18] <TheMuso> apt-cache show sudo | grep Version
[02:18] <TheMuso> Version: 1.6.8p12-1ubuntu6
[02:18] <TheMuso> No sorry, that is an older one.
[02:18] <TheMuso> thanks for the heads up.
[02:19] <LaserJock> hmm, this is interesting. Anybody know how to remove lines from a file without reading the whole thing?
[02:20] <zul> sed
[02:20] <Kyral> grep :P
[02:20] <LaserJock> don't you still have to read the whole file?
[02:20] <crimsun> your question is phrased a bit strangely
[02:20] <Kyral> quickest way to nuke blank lines is....
[02:20] <LaserJock> crimsun: sorry
[02:20] <Kyral> grep -v ^$ <file>
[02:21] <LaserJock> got an email from my local LUG, a guy has a 2.3 GB file that he wants to remove the first 300 lines of
[02:21] <Kyral> yikes
[02:21] <LaserJock> so he wants to remove the lines without having to deal with the rest of the file
[02:22] <azeem> that's possible with either head or tail I think
[02:22] <Kyral> how many lines?
[02:22] <Kyral> total?
[02:22] <LaserJock> not sure
[02:22] <LaserJock> lots I'm guessing
[02:22] <azeem> hrm
[02:22] <Kyral> well, you can do it with tail
[02:22] <Kyral> but you need to know the number of lines
[02:22] <azeem> that would write out everything, no?
[02:22] <truz_`24> run wc on it :-)
[02:22] <Kyral> tail -n (number of lines infile - 300) >> newfile
[02:22] <Kyral> wait
[02:23] <LaserJock> the first thing he tried was sed '1,300d'
[02:23] <azeem> I think he wants to evade the "newfile"
[02:23] <Kyral> tail -n (number of lines in file - 300) filename  > filename
[02:23] <Kyral> there you go
[02:23] <crimsun> ick
[02:23] <truz_`24> isn't that going to read the file into memory?
[02:23] <crimsun> tail +301 foo
[02:23] <azeem> Kyral: that still writes stuff, no?
[02:23] <Kyral> no
[02:23] <Kyral> well, TECHNICALLY
[02:24] <Kyral> but it clobbers the file with itself :P
[02:24] <Kyral> > clobbers whatever the target is, >> appends :P
[02:24] <azeem> well, "write stuff" as in shove 2GB in memory and later back on disk
[02:24] <truz_`24> so how can u move the file pointer 300 lines down?
[02:24] <Kyral> dunno
[02:24] <Kyral> oh I KNOW!
[02:24] <truz_`24> I know you can do it with a c program
[02:24] <Kyral> vim <file>
[02:24] <crimsun> you don't need wc, just use tail by itself
[02:24] <truz_`24> so there has to be a *nix utility to do it
[02:24] <Kyral> then in vim
[02:24] <azeem> Kyral: dude
[02:24] <Kyral> 300dd :P
[02:25] <azeem> I think a small C program should be easiest
[02:25] <Kyral> you'd still need to load it into memory doncha?
[02:25] <truz_`24> no
[02:25] <azeem> Kyral: no
[02:25] <truz_`24> You just move the file pointer down
[02:25] <Kyral> heh, been a while since I messed with C++ File I/O
[02:26] <Kyral> and I was never good at it in the first place
[02:26] <Kyral> Ruby FTW :P
[02:31] <zul> LaserJock: you could use perl :)
[02:32] <LaserJock> somebody suggested:
[02:33] <LaserJock> BYTES=$(head -300 nameofbigfile.txt | wc -c)
[02:33] <LaserJock> dd if=nameofbigfile.txt of=truncatedversion.pl ibs=$BYTES  skip=1
[02:47] <bmonty> has anyone decided the process for requesting syncs?  open a bug and subscribe the archive team?
[02:47] <crimsun> that's what I've been doing, and the ones I've opened have been processed within a couple hours of my filing them
[02:48] <bmonty> are you addind build logs and such or just requesting the sync?
[02:48] <crimsun> I've titled all mine: "[Edgy MoM]  Please sync foobar version-# from Debian Sid"
[02:49] <crimsun> in the bug report I've linked to REPORT and underneath it said "Ok to override Ubuntu change{,s}"
[02:49] <bmonty> ok, thanks crimsun
[02:50] <crimsun> I keep a browser tab open to the june '06 edgy-changes, and it refreshes every 3 minutes
[02:50] <bmonty> what is the URL for that?
[02:50] <crimsun> that way I can Find before I ../grab-merge.sh
[02:50] <crimsun> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edgy-changes/2006-June/thread.html
[02:50] <zul> crimsun: how does that script work...
[02:51] <crimsun> zul: grab-merge.sh basically wgets
[02:51] <zul> yeah i know that part but what arguments does it take?
[02:52] <crimsun> source package name
[02:52] <zul> ah ok...so something like grab-merge.sh abuse-sdl right?
[02:53] <bmonty> zul: yup, except I'm working that one ;)
[02:53] <zul> bmonty: er that was an example
[02:53] <bmonty> zul: ok, just wanted to make sure we don't duplicate any effort
[02:54] <crimsun> yeah, bmonty and I have history of toe-stomping ;)
[02:55] <bmonty> crimsun: :)
[02:55] <bmonty> for the record I'm going to work the package that have my name next to them in the universe list
[02:55] <crimsun> yeah, that's what I'm doing
[02:55] <zul> good idea
[02:56] <crimsun> (except I'm taking bzflag atm)
[03:05] <TheMuso> What does one do with the changelog if the only conflicting files are config.sub and config.guess?
[03:06] <TheMuso> Do we change the MOM entry to one of our own?
[03:06] <bmonty> TheMuso: request a sync
[03:06] <bmonty> you would want to override the ubuntu package with the version from debian
[03:07] <TheMuso> Ah but the package I am working on has ubuntu-specific changes. A sync is not the right thing to do in this instance.
[03:07] <TheMuso> But the only conflicts are those I mentioned.
[03:08] <bmonty> get the latest debian version, add the ubuntu changes, include the ubuntu changelog entries in the new version
[03:08] <bmonty> and the changelog entry could be something like "Resynchronize with Debian."
[03:09] <bmonty> changelog entry for the new version that is
[03:09] <TheMuso> Ok.
[03:12] <LaserJock> TheMuso: but make sure to include old Ubuntu changelog entries
[03:13] <TheMuso> LaserJock: Yeah I know. Mom has done all of that for me, except the config.* changes, which are moot anyway.
[03:14] <bmonty> hmmm...I wonder if MoM could be configured to ignore bootstrap files?
[03:28] <bmonty> doh, I just made a mistake :(
[03:28] <bmonty> forgot to use the -v option on dpkg-genchanges
[03:28] <LaserJock> doh
[03:31] <crimsun> hmm, you're not using the merge-genchanges?
[03:31] <crimsun> (I don't, but I pass its contents to debuild)
[03:33] <bmonty> I'm not using merge-genchanges...where do I get it?
[03:33] <crimsun> it'll be in ../
[03:33] <crimsun> that is, one level above the extracted source
[03:33] <bmonty> ok, I see it
[03:42] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:42] <bmonty> hi bddebian
[03:42] <bddebian> Hi bmonty
[03:45] <zul> TheMuso: ping
[03:45] <TheMuso> hmm ok. Looks like the grab-merge.sh script can't handle versions with a : in them.
[03:45] <TheMuso> zul: pong
[03:46] <zul> TheMuso: new grub has beep support
[03:46] <TheMuso> Cool.
[03:46] <TheMuso> Grub 2 you mean?
[03:46] <zul> nope grub1
[03:46] <zul> er...for edgy
[03:46] <bmonty> TheMuso: yeah, I had the problem also
[03:50] <crimsun> looks like it just needs to be escaped
[03:50] <crimsun> just ping keybuk about it tomorrow
[03:52] <ajmitch> I guess I should do some merges before bddebian does them all
[03:53] <bddebian> pfft
[03:53] <crimsun> love finding merge candidates that are really syncable
[03:59] <bddebian> If there is install/foo:: in a cdbs rules, is that just for $package foo?
[04:01] <bddebian> I still don't understand how the hell scilab-3.0 builds and 4.0 seems to install completely differently
[04:02] <bmonty> this control file is totally screwed
[04:03] <bmonty> package A depends on package B, and package B has it on the conflicts line and conflicts itself
[04:03] <crimsun> the conflicts aren't versioned?
[04:03] <bmonty> nope
[04:04] <crimsun> bddebian: yes, just for foo
[04:04] <bddebian> bmonty: Nice
[04:05] <bddebian> crimsun: Then how the f**k is scilab-3.0 building
[04:06] <crimsun> that's usually a sign to move on to another package and come back to it after a space
[04:06] <bmonty> is it policy for a package with python2.3-foo and python2.4-foo to conflict each other
[04:07] <bddebian> crimsun: If that is the case then cdbs will build in debian/foo/ right?
[04:07] <crimsun> bddebian: given an adequately high dh_compat, yes
[04:07] <bddebian> 4?
[04:07] <crimsun> yes, it should
[04:08] <bddebian> Then why the hell do the .install files look like this: ?
[04:08] <bddebian> debian/tmp/usr/lib/scilab/X11_defaults/
[04:08] <bddebian> debian/tmp/usr/lib/scilab/config/
[04:08] <bddebian> debian/tmp/usr/lib/scilab/contrib/
[04:09] <bddebian> Of course now that I look at it, I'm not quite sure why it's broken into three binaries anyway
[04:11] <crimsun> the install files be broke
[04:11] <crimsun> anyhoo
[04:12] <crimsun> back in 90 mins
[04:12] <Hawkwind> crimsun: We're timing you, not a minute late you hear!
[04:12] <Hawkwind> Heh
[04:25] <shawarma> If anyone would care to take a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2524 it would be much appreciated.
[04:28] <ogra> shawarma, hey its nearly 4:30 what are you still doing here ?
[04:30] <jsgotangco> same for you ogra :P
[04:30] <ogra> :P
[04:30] <ogra> i have an excuse, i had a meeting with debian ltsp :P
[04:30] <jsgotangco> heh
[04:31] <ogra> no, actually i was planning to be in bed 2h ago :)
[04:31] <jsgotangco> sounds like it went well...
[04:31] <ogra> yup
[04:32] <ogra> shawarma, at a first glance through my tired eyes the packaging looks fien
[04:32] <ogra> *fine too
[04:32] <bddebian> Fuuuuck
[04:33] <zul> no thanks
[04:34] <bddebian> Ah Mr. Knowitall, you want to help me with this? :0)
[04:36] <shawarma> ogra: I've got another exam tomorrow that I'm trying to prepare for.
[04:37] <shawarma> ogra: Somehow packaging random software seems more appealing. :-)
[04:38] <shawarma> ogra: For some odd reason I never manage to get any sleep before any of my exams. I always stay up *all* night preparing for them.
[04:51] <bmonty> good night everyone
[04:51] <shawarma> bmonty: G'night.
[06:31] <chillywilly> anyone know how I can have a certain script/command executed when I power up a laptop that was hibernated via gnome-power-manager?
[06:47] <imbrandon> chillywilly, might have better luck asking in #ubuntu ( as this is the packagers chan )
[08:15] <Toadstool> 'morning
[08:15] <Hobbsee> hi Toadstool
[08:15] <Toadstool> hey Hobbsee
[09:30] <rob> when using pbuilder I'm getting the following error: I/O error : Attempt to load network entity http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.2/docbookx.dtd
[09:31] <rob> and ideas?
[09:31] <crimsun> happens periodically, just retry
[09:31] <rob> I have been for the last 8 hours or so
[09:32] <crimsun> does it load for you in a Web browser? (it does here)
[09:32] <rob> yes
[09:33] <crimsun> hmm.
[09:33] <crimsun> you might be able to get away with using --nonet
[09:34] <crimsun> that is, presuming you have docbook as a build-dep
[09:35] <crimsun> hmm
[09:35] <rob> docbook2x, yeah
[09:36] <crimsun> ah, you may need docbook-xml then
[09:36] <crimsun> since docbook-xml is only a Recommends for docbook2x
[09:38] <rob> hmm, never needed it before
[09:41] <crimsun> I dunno beyond that, sorry
[09:43] <AnAnt> lionelp: u there ?
[09:43] <lionelp> yep
[09:44] <AnAnt> lionelp: thanks for your comments on vim
[09:44] <lionelp> oh, you're welcome :)
[09:44] <AnAnt> lionelp: I need to understand few stuff though
[09:44] <AnAnt> lionelp: where can I get the release that's in edgy ? (I did enable dapper-backports)
[09:45] <lionelp> search vim on http://package.ubuntu.com with edgy release
[09:45] <AnAnt> lionelp: does that mean that I have to do update in pbuilder ? as I am always building for dapper
[09:45] <lionelp> you will find it
[09:45] <AnAnt> k
[09:45] <AnAnt> that edgy release won't work for dapper I guess, right ?
[09:46] <crimsun> different toolchain. It may not work.
[09:47] <AnAnt> ic
[09:47] <AnAnt> crimsun: errr, that answer was for which question ?
[09:48] <crimsun>  < AnAnt> that edgy release won't work for dapper I guess, right ?
[09:48] <AnAnt> crimsun: ok, thanks
[09:48] <AnAnt> lionelp: you said "release should be set to edgy, not expermental". does that mean that I have to do update in pbuilder ? as I am always building for dapper
[09:49] <AnAnt> lionelp: btw, I left that 'release' as is from the Debian repos
[09:49] <lionelp> If you plan to build package for REVU, you should update you pbuilder to dapper yes
[09:50] <lionelp> AnAnt: I understand, but we are talking for packages in Ubuntu, not Debian. So we use Ubuntu release, not Debian
[09:50] <AnAnt> lionelp: you mean update to edgy ?
[09:50] <dsas> Don't you want an edgy pbuilder?
[09:50] <lionelp> your pbuilder yes
[09:50] <lionelp> not necessary your complete machine
[09:52] <AnAnt> lionelp: what if I left pbuilder at dapper (ie. didn't update it to edgy), that won't be correct ?
[09:52] <AnAnt> lionelp: the thing is I build packages so that they would also work for my dapper
[09:52] <lionelp> you can build your package for dapper ever if your changelog is for edgy
[09:52] <lionelp> but that alose means that you will not do a complete check
[09:53] <lionelp> also
[09:53] <AnAnt> ic
[09:54] <lionelp> you can have several pbuilder
[09:54] <AnAnt> lionelp: let me make sure I understand correctly. So I don't have to update my pbuilder to edgy, but in the changelog I should put the word edgy instead of 'unstable' or 'experimental', right ?
[09:54] <lionelp> right
[09:55] <lionelp> in that case, your source package will be correct
[09:55] <AnAnt> ok
[09:55] <AnAnt> thanks
[09:57] <AnAnt> lionelp: should I put ubuntuX in  version the release ? or that does not matter ?
[09:58] <lionelp> you mean the package version number or the Ubuntu release ?
[09:58] <AnAnt> huh?
[09:58] <lionelp> for ubuntu release in changelog, you only use codename ("dapper", "edgy")
[09:59] <AnAnt> like ubuntu0 or ubuntu1 , in version yes
[09:59] <AnAnt> is that a must or optional?
[09:59] <lionelp> it is a must as it is a build for Ubuntu
[09:59] <AnAnt> k
[09:59] <lionelp> you should add "ubuntu1" at the end of the Debian package rebuild
[10:00] <lionelp> (and if you do another package version ubuntu2, etc.)
[10:00] <AnAnt> btw, I thought REVU was for both Ubuntu & Debian, or am I wrong ?
[10:00] <lionelp> no, it is only for Ubuntu
[10:00] <AnAnt> ok
[10:00] <AnAnt> thanks a lot
[10:01] <AnAnt> was there a problem with REVU yesterday ?
[10:01] <AnAnt> nothing that I uploaded yesterday is there
[10:01] <Hobbsee> AnAnt: you need to be a part of the REVU maintainer group to be able to upload
[10:01] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-universe-contributors/+members
[10:02] <AnAnt> Hobbsee: well I am I guess, because I did upload stuff before
[10:03] <lionelp> AnAnt: it is quite new
[10:04] <AnAnt> lionelp: new ?
[10:04] <lionelp> before, you did not have to be a member of ubuntu-universe-contributors to upload in revu
[10:05] <AnAnt> oh
[10:05] <AnAnt> new system
[10:05] <Hobbsee> anyone know what libhamlib-dev got replaced by?
[10:06] <AnAnt> so, how to be member?
[10:06] <Hobbsee> AnAnt: join it, and wait for approval
[10:06] <AnAnt> ok
[10:06] <AnAnt> thanks
[10:06] <crimsun> Hobbsee: hamlib-dev ?
[10:07] <AnAnt> now, I am mixed up, what is this channel for & what is #launchpad for ?
[10:07] <Hobbsee> crimsun: b-d is libhamlib-dev
[10:07] <Hobbsee> crimsun: where does hamlib-dev exist?
[10:08] <crimsun> Hobbsee: libhamlib-dev is only valid in Debian testing/unstable (and thus Ubuntu Edgy)
[10:09] <Hobbsee> crimsun: yes, so why cant my edgy pbuilder find it?
[10:09] <crimsun> Hobbsee: libhamlib* actually replaces hamlib*
[10:09] <crimsun> Hobbsee: because hamlib 1.2.5-6 hasn't been synced yet.
[10:10] <Hobbsee> crimsun: right, so i just ignore this package until it has been synced?
[10:10] <crimsun> Hobbsee: right
[10:10] <lionelp> AnAnt: this channel is for contributing to the Universe repository of Ubuntu
[10:10] <crimsun> Hobbsee: ...or file a sync request for hamlib
[10:10] <crimsun> Hobbsee: which you shouldn't need to do, since it'll be synced automatically
[10:10] <Hobbsee> yeah
[10:10] <lionelp>  #launchpad is for talking of launchpad the collaborative tool that Ubuntu used to manage the distro
[10:11] <AnAnt> oh
[10:12] <lucas> somebody has a script to file a "request sync" bug ?
[10:15] <sivang> morning all!
[10:20] <Hobbsee> morning sivang!
[10:22] <AnAnt> Hobbsee: ok, so I am now registered, I can upload using dput now ?
[10:22] <Hobbsee> AnAnt: have they approved you yet?
[10:22] <AnAnt> Hobbsee: they ?
[10:22] <AnAnt> Hobbsee: Registration completed successfully
[10:23] <AnAnt> Hobbsee: that's what I got
[10:23] <Hobbsee> AnAnt: yes, but there's a difference between registration and approval
[10:23] <AnAnt> Hobbsee: also I got that I am "not an active member of any Launchpad teams."
[10:23] <AnAnt> Hobbsee: how do I know about approval ?
[10:24] <Hobbsee> AnAnt: what's your launchpad page?
[10:24] <AnAnt> https://launchpad.net/people/aelmahmoudy
[10:26] <Hobbsee> raphink: ping?
[10:26] <raphink> pong?
[10:26] <raphink> what's wrong?
[10:26] <AnAnt> that rhymes
[10:27] <raphink> hehe
[10:27] <anibal> crimsun: ping
[10:28] <Hobbsee> raphink: can AnAnt get approval to the REVU group?
[10:29] <raphink> haven't seen a request
[10:29] <Hobbsee> raphink: apparently he just joined
[10:29] <raphink> havent received anything
[10:29] <raphink> let me have a look
[10:29] <anibal> raphink: could you please review my first ubuntu package?
[10:30] <raphink> anibal: haven't got time for that now
[10:30] <raphink> AnAnt: please request addition to the group, then i'll approve you
[10:31] <AnAnt> raphink: where's that ?
[10:31] <raphink> AnAnt: add a GnuPG key to your LP account prior to do that, too
[10:31] <TheMuso> What is the revu launchpad team for?
[10:31] <raphink> AnAnt: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU
[10:31] <raphink> TheMuso: getting upload rights to REVU
[10:31] <AnAnt> ic
[10:31] <TheMuso> Um ok. I thought that wasn't needed.
[10:31] <anibal> raphink: what do I need to get into REVU?
[10:33] <Hobbsee> anibal: get approval to join https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-universe-contributors/+members
[10:33] <nexu> get the page about how to join REVU basically
[10:33] <raphink> anibal: same question as AnAnt, same answer : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU
[10:33] <nexu> get to read*
[10:34] <raphink> so I don't feel like I write doc for nothing ;)
[10:34] <nexu> :)
[10:34] <AnAnt> I did join REVU long time ago
[10:34] <AnAnt> but it seems that system changed or so
[10:35] <raphink> AnAnt: it changed last week
[10:35] <raphink> ;)
[10:35] <raphink> REVU is heading towards LP integration
[10:35] <Hobbsee> raphink: that's got nothing about the recent launchpad team that you have to be added to, to upload, that i can see
[10:36] <Hobbsee> raphink: (thank goodness for that!)
[10:36] <raphink> Hobbsee: I'm not sure to understand your sentence
[10:36] <raphink> but if I understood it, my answer is : "you don't need to be added to the team if you're already on REVU"
[10:36] <raphink> but new REVU uploaders need to
[10:36] <rob> I'm on both :)
[10:36] <Hobbsee> raphink: now you have to join the group at https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-universe-contributors/+members to upload - that doenst seem to be in that revu page
[10:37] <AnAnt> raphink: ok, I requested to join universe team now
[10:37] <raphink> Hobbsee: I updated the page though :s
[10:37] <AnAnt> and imported my gpg key in launchpad too
[10:37] <raphink> Hobbsee: please read the page again, carefuly ;)
[10:38] <Hobbsee> raphink: can you give me a section of text you're referring to - i cant see it
[10:38] <raphink> It is not necessary to GetYourKeySigned, but it is a good idea anyway. In order to upload to REVU, you will need to be added to the REVU keyring. Be sure that you have a [WWW]  Launchpad account and that you have added your GPGKey to it. Then ask to [WWW]  be added to the Ubuntu Universe Contributors team. One of the REVU admins will add you then to the group (== Upload rights for REVU). You don't need a password to upload packages, only to log
[10:38] <raphink> .
[10:38] <Hobbsee> raphink: ah right
[10:39] <raphink> I fixed it last week
[10:39] <raphink> :p
[10:40] <raphink> ok added new members
[10:41] <AnAnt> raphink: thanks, so now I can use dput as I used to do before ?
[10:41] <ajmitch> raphink: ran revu-key update on tiber?
[10:41] <ajmitch> it takes a little while
[10:42] <raphink> ajmitch_: it's running right now
[10:42] <raphink> yes it takes some time
[10:43] <raphink> :)
[10:43] <raphink> update done
[10:44] <AnAnt> ok, I have a question, when I make a new version of a software, it doesn't create a .orig tarball, is that correct ?
[10:45] <ajmitch_> hi \sh
[10:47] <AnAnt> hmmm, didn't upload still ?!
[10:47] <dsas> AnAnt: I believe that the upstream .orig file shouldn't have changed so there's no need for a new one.
[10:48] <AnAnt> dsas: it did change, what I meant, is that it doesn't call the original tarball .orig
[10:49] <AnAnt> dsas: it called it freedict_1.4-1ubuntu0.tar.gz
[10:49] <ajmitch> AnAnt: it shouldn't be creating a tarball at all
[10:49] <AnAnt> without .orig
[10:49] <ajmitch> you must make the .orig.tar.gz by renaming the upstream tarball
[10:50] <sivang> hey \sh
[10:50] <\sh> moins
[10:51] <Hobbsee> welcome back ajmitch
[10:52] <ajmitch> for a few minutes, at least
[11:01] <AnAnt> ajmitch: ok, the thing is this, there was freedict-1.3, I added another dictionary to it, hence I thought I would bump the version to 1.4, is that ok so far ?
[11:06] <AnAnt> ajmitch: hence, I renamed the source directory to freedict-1.4
[11:08] <StevenK> File a bug in LP, as per usual?
[11:16] <AnAnt> ok, fixed it
[11:18] <AnAnt> btw, I still can't upload anything
[11:19] <AnAnt> although I am now a contributor in universe
[11:19] <AnAnt> dput doesn't give me a problem
[12:10] <StevenK> Are people grabbing onto merges/syncs?
[12:10] <tseng> yes
[12:10] <tseng> grab some
[12:10] <StevenK> How are we declaring ownership?
[12:50] <AnAnt> btw, I still can't upload anything, although I am now a contributor in ubuntu universe. Although dput is not giving any errors, but I see nothing that I have uploaded today on REVU. Can anyone help ?
[12:51] <ajmitch> what have you uploaded, and with what version?
[12:55] <AnAnt> bitlbee-1.0.3
[12:55] <AnAnt> what u mean, what version ?
[12:55] <ajmitch> the exact version
[12:56] <ajmitch> as given in debian/changelog
[12:57] <AnAnt> bitlbee (1.0.3-1ubuntu0) edgy
[12:58] <Amaranth> err
[12:58] <Amaranth> should be 1.0.3-0ubuntu1
[12:58] <ajmitch> and you didn't put your gpg key on launchpad
[12:58] <ajmitch> so there's nothing for the keyring update script to grab
[12:58] <AnAnt> why ubuntu1 ?
[12:58] <AnAnt> ajmitch: I did
[12:59] <AnAnt> oh, that was a ssh key
[12:59] <ajmitch> AnAnt: it's not listed on your launchpad page
[12:59] <AnAnt> sorry
[01:01] <AnAnt> what is the keyserver ?
[01:02] <ajmitch> just use the openpgpkeys link on the left
[01:02] <ajmitch> the key should be on any of the common keyservers
[01:04] <AnAnt> oh ok, done
[01:04] <AnAnt> waiting for the email, thanks
[01:54] <AnAnt> ok, I put my PGP key, and tried to upload again, now dput gives me error 553
[01:55] <ajmitch> because the files are already there
[01:55] <ajmitch> and the key isn't synced across yet
[01:57] <AnAnt> oh
[01:57] <AnAnt> ajmitch: umm, how do I know if it is synced or not
[01:58] <ajmitch> you would have had to ask one of us
[01:58] <AnAnt> ajmitch: you mean, that after the key is synced, the files I uploaded (before putting the key) will be on REVU ?
[01:59] <ajmitch> no
[01:59] <ajmitch> well
[01:59] <ajmitch> the files are still there
[01:59] <ajmitch> I'll remove them, and you can upload again
[01:59] <ajmitch> btw, you should not change the upstream version of freedict just because you made a change to it, unless you are upstream yourself
[02:00] <AnAnt> oic
[02:00] <AnAnt> k
[02:00] <AnAnt> I did issue dcut command
[02:00] <ajmitch> that's like adding a patch to firefox & calling it firefox 1.6
[02:00] <ajmitch> dcut doesn't work for revu
[02:01] <AnAnt> oh
[02:16] <zul> hey
[02:16] <ajmitch> hi zul
[02:16] <zul> hey ajmitch how goes it?
[02:16] <ajmitch> alright, you?
[02:17] <zul> good just having breakfast
[02:17] <yvesC> hi.
[02:18] <yvesC> I would see pysycache in universe. http://pysycache.org/ . It's software for 3-6 kids, mouse-based amusement.
[02:18] <yvesC> pygame based.
[02:19] <AnAnt> ajmitch: thanks, I am uploading now
[02:23] <AnAnt> ajmitch: as for freedict, when I add the new dictionary, I get this problem in dpkg-buildpackage  "dpkg-source: cannot represent change to ara-eng-20041030.tar.gz: binary file contents changed"
[02:24] <ajmitch> which is why you can't add in binary files like that, but have to do workarounds like with uuencode, etc
[02:25] <AnAnt> oh
[02:25] <StevenK> Wahh.
[02:25] <StevenK> It's been that long since I merged and synced that I've lost all my clues.
[02:27] <TheMuso> StevenK: yeah. if you are out of the loop for even a couple of weeks, it can sometimes take a while to catch up.
[02:28] <ajmitch> hi StevenK
[02:32] <Gloubiboulga> Hello MOTU world
[02:34] <TheMuso> Hey Gloubiboulga
[02:34] <Gloubiboulga> hello TheMuso :)
[02:36] <StevenK> While watching xemacs21 build.
[02:36] <StevenK> My poor amd64. xemacs21 is a bitch to build.
[02:37] <TheMuso> heh
[02:37] <ajmitch> peddle faster!
[02:38] <StevenK> I'm already peddling at 2.8GHz
[02:43] <lfittl> siretart: ping
[02:44] <siretart> lfittl: yes?
[02:44] <ajmitch> hi siretart
[02:44] <lfittl> siretart: could you approve my membership for the ubuntu-universe-contributors team, so I can upload to revu again?
[02:45] <ajmitch> siretart: I'll sync keys again
[02:45] <lfittl> ajmitch: thanks :)
[02:45] <ajmitch> since it was still in the history of another shell
[03:15] <Gloubiboulga> is there an edgy chroot on tiber?
[03:15] <Gloubiboulga> edgy pbuilder*
[03:19] <raphink> not yet I think
[03:19] <Gloubiboulga> thanks raphink, et salut ;)
[03:20] <raphink> non y'a pas je confirme
[03:20] <raphink> il faudrait en faire un
[03:20] <\sh> salut:)
[03:20] <Gloubiboulga> guten tag \sh
[03:21] <raphink> hi \h
[03:21] <\sh> ok...let's wait until 800GB are formatted with ext3 *boring*
[03:21] <\sh> just FA Installing an ubuntu 6.06 server :)
[03:21] <Hobbsee> hi \sh
[03:22] <Hobbsee> & raphink & Gloubiboulga
[03:22] <\sh> huhu raphink, Gloubiboulga, Hobbsee, and all the rest of the motu crew :=)
[03:22] <Gloubiboulga> hello Hobbsee
[03:22] <raphink> )
[03:25] <Hobbsee> thanks ogra
[03:25] <ogra> heh
[03:26] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:26] <ajmitch> hm, hobbsee jam
[03:28] <Hobbsee> hehh
[03:32] <chipmonk010> im having some trouble uploading to revu is this the place to ask?
[03:32] <AnAnt> chipmonk010: when was your last successful update ?
[03:32] <chipmonk010> this is the first one
[03:33] <Hobbsee> chipmonk010: are you part of the REVU group in launchpad?  see the topic
[03:33] <chipmonk010> yes was just added a few minutes ago
[03:34] <chipmonk010> i tried uploading yesterday and the upload froze now im getting  Error '553 Could not create file.'
[03:36] <chipmonk010> i tried using dcut to remove the partially uploaded file *.dsc but no luck
[03:36] <ajmitch> because dcut can't be used on revu
[03:36] <ajmitch> and you need to ask an admin
[03:36] <Hobbsee> i think you'll probably need a revu admin to remove the partially uploaded .dsc file?
[03:37] <Hobbsee> ajmitch is volunteering :P
[03:37] <chipmonk010> lol
[03:37] <StevenK> Oh, damn.
[03:38] <Hobbsee> you know you want to ajmitch
[03:38] <ajmitch> I already did it
[03:38] <Hobbsee> oh good
[03:38] <TheMuso> Don't pressure the poor bloke, come on guys.
[03:38] <StevenK> I ought to run merge-genchanges
[03:38] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: :P  whyever not?
[03:38] <chipmonk010> thanks guys
[03:38] <TheMuso> Maybe because he might have other things to do?
[03:38] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: what, like sleep?
[03:38] <Hobbsee> nah...it's not even midnight yet.
[03:39] <Hobbsee> :P
[03:39] <sivang> StevenK: merge-genchanges is part of dpkg?
[03:40] <StevenK> sivang: No, MoM's grab-merge.sh generates it.
[03:41] <ajmitch> StevenK: how bad was your upload of xemacs21?
[03:41] <sivang> StevenK: hmm, I should finally go and read Scott's email about edgy MOM
[03:41] <chipmonk010> oh before i upload again, my package is a fix for the mythv package already in the repos, is revu for new packages only?
[03:41] <StevenK> ajmitch: I should have run merge-genchanges, and didn't.
[03:42] <ajmitch> StevenK: which means?
[03:42] <chillywilly> yo
[03:43] <StevenK> ajmitch: The .changes file contained only my changes, not every change since the last version in edgy.
[03:43] <TheMuso> So where are you guys putting your merged packages for those who aren't MOTUs yet?
[03:43] <Hobbsee> chipmonk010: no, you can upload there
[03:43] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: revu
[03:43] <TheMuso> ah ok
[03:43] <ajmitch> StevenK: so that only matters for what's on the changes list
[03:43] <ajmitch> it's not going to be a bad upload
[03:43] <ajmitch> sure, some people will yell at you & all
[03:43] <StevenK> Well, it's my first upload.
[03:44] <StevenK> And I'm a pedantic bastard.
[03:44] <chipmonk010> Hobbsee: ok cool thanks again
[03:51] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: you've just got time
[03:54] <TheMuso> Yeah I know.
[04:19] <lfittl> could somebody review and upload http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2539 for me? (just a new upstream version, no new package)
[04:27] <Gloubiboulga> lfittl, I'm having a look
[04:27] <lfittl> :)
[04:27] <chipmonk010> i successfully uploaded a package to revu but i cant see it at http://revu.tauware.de/ nor can i recover my passwd does ne one know could i have to do something more the dput?
[04:29] <lfittl> chipmonk010: the package takes approx. 5 min after your upload until it shows up
[04:31] <chipmonk010> its been like 45mins still nothin
[04:32] <lfittl> chipmonk010: then ask one of the revu admins about it
[04:38] <Hobbsee> chipmonk010: what's your login for launchpad?
[04:39] <chipmonk010> Hobbsee: "chipmonk010"
[04:39] <Hobbsee> chipmonk010: join this team:  https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-universe-contributors/+members
[04:39] <Toadstool> re
[04:40] <Hobbsee> heya Toadstool
[04:40] <chipmonk010> Hobbsee: im already a member
[04:40] <Toadstool> hey Hobbsee
[04:40] <lfittl> chipmonk010: is this your upload http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2541 ?
[04:40] <Hobbsee> chipmonk010: oh yeah.  sorry - thought it was sorted by alphabetical order
[04:41] <chipmonk010> yes thats it! thanks
[04:41] <lfittl> np ;)
[04:44] <chipmonk010> Hobbsee: did u do something or did it just show up?
[04:44] <Hobbsee> chipmonk010: i didnt do anything to it
[04:45] <chipmonk010> Hobbsee: strange oh well thanks neway
[04:50] <Gloubiboulga> lfittl, some files are missing in you packages, but maybe it's an upstream problem (investigating)
[04:50] <lfittl> Gloubiboulga: which files do you mean?
[04:50] <lfittl> Gloubiboulga: I am also part of upstream, so I can fix this too
[04:50] <Gloubiboulga> libloki.so.0 for example
[04:51] <lfittl> what file should that be?
[04:51] <Gloubiboulga> which should be a link to libloki.so.0.1.5
[04:51] <lfittl> whats the reason to have this link?
[04:51] <Gloubiboulga> it gives you the soname
[04:52] <Gloubiboulga> 0
[04:52] <lfittl> the soname is the full version, since every release changes the ABI
[04:53] <Gloubiboulga> hmm
[05:03] <sivang> shawarma: ping
[05:05] <lfittl> Gloubiboulga: what are the other files that you think are missing?
[05:06] <Gloubiboulga> lfittl, only this one actually
[05:07] <lfittl> Gloubiboulga: do you think there is something wrong about the soname?
[05:08] <Gloubiboulga> lfittl, not really _wrong_ but usually you find soname like .0 or .0.x, but I've never seen a so.0.1.5
[05:08] <Gloubiboulga> actually, I've seen it once, but it's been changed :)
[05:09] <Gloubiboulga> if the ABI changes in a new release, you just have to switch from .0 to .1, that's not a problem I guess
[05:09] <Gloubiboulga> but I'm not good enough about that to tell you "that's the way it works"
[05:10] <Gloubiboulga> maybe someone else could confirm (or not ;) )
[05:10] <lfittl> then lets ask, anybody here who has enough experience with sonames to help us out?
[05:12] <Mithrandir> : tfheen@xoog ~ > objdump -x  /usr/lib/libssl.so.0.9.7 | grep SON SONAME      libssl.so.0.9.7
[05:13] <Mithrandir> bah
[05:13] <Mithrandir> : tfheen@xoog ~ > objdump -x  /usr/lib/libssl.so.0.9.7 | grep SON
[05:13] <Mithrandir>   SONAME      libssl.so.0.9.7
[05:13] <Mithrandir> so they cerrtainly exist.
[05:13] <Gloubiboulga> ok...
[05:13] <Mithrandir> certainly, even
[05:14] <lfittl> Gloubiboulga: could you upload it then? :)
[05:15] <Hobbsee> hey bddebian!
[05:16] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee
[05:16] <bddebian> Heya gang
[05:18] <Gloubiboulga> lfittl, yep, sorry for the noise
[05:18] <Gloubiboulga> hi bddebian
[05:19] <lfittl> no problem ;)
[05:20] <bddebian> Hi Gloubiboulga
[05:26] <lfittl> Gloubiboulga: thanks
[05:27] <Gloubiboulga> lfittl, thanks you ;)
[05:27] <Gloubiboulga> s/thanks/thank
[05:49] <DanielC> I'm thinking of making a package that would add a menu entry to OpenOffice.org (it'd add Help > User Guide). Are there any problems with changing OOo menus?
[05:50] <DanielC> I mean... would it get rejected on that basis?
[06:02] <Hobbsee> BOO!
[06:02] <bddebian> ahh
[06:02] <Birthday_Kaiser> lol.
[06:05] <Birthday_Kaiser> they arnte very big :)
[06:05] <Hobbsee> no, but why are the defaults so small?
[06:05] <Hobbsee> i think someone needs to do some DPI work with edgy
[06:05] <Birthday_Kaiser> some funny kde reason probalby :)
[06:05] <Hobbsee> Birthday_Kaiser: this is gnome
[06:05] <Birthday_Kaiser> Hobbsee, :o
[06:06] <Birthday_Kaiser> its your comjpute :P
[06:06] <Hobbsee> ;P
[06:06] <Hobbsee> indeed
[06:06] <Birthday_Kaiser> lol
[06:06] <Hobbsee> this is a live cd
[06:06] <Birthday_Kaiser> yay
[06:06] <Birthday_Kaiser> you dont have xterm :OP{
[06:06] <Hobbsee> white on light grey does not work.
[06:06] <Hobbsee> sure i do, that's what i'm chatting from
[06:07] <Birthday_Kaiser> no, your using gnome-terminal
[06:07] <Hobbsee> i started xterm specifically
[06:08] <Hobbsee> Birthday_Kaiser: seems to be,j ust hidden
[06:08] <Birthday_Kaiser> Hobbsee, hehe. like the ohter 1200 apps ;)
[06:11] <bddebian> Heya Birthday_Kaiser
[06:13] <Birthday_kgoetz> hey bddebian :)
[06:13] <bddebian> Hobbsee: ?
[06:14] <Hobbsee> bddebian: no apparent reason why
[06:14] <Birthday_kgoetz> i keep crashing ;'(
[06:14] <bddebian> Hobbsee: OK :)
[06:14] <bddebian> Birthday_Kaiser: So is it your birthday?
[06:15] <Birthday_kgoetz> bddebian: yep :) for 24 hours :)
[06:16] <Birthday_kgoetz> bddebian: i'm 20 today :), the sad thjin is i have spend teh last 2 hours hugging  people online ;)
[06:17] <bddebian> Egads, I could be your father :)
[06:17] <bddebian> Birthday_kgoetz: Well happy birthday
[06:17] <Birthday_kgoetz> thanks bddebian :)
[06:17] <Birthday_kgoetz> omfg. the laptop crashed launching xchat :(
[06:18] <Hobbsee> hey now, you *have* xchat, dont complain :P
[06:19] <Birthday_kgoetz> lol
[06:19] <Birthday_kgoetz> what do you think this is, some ubuntu default crap :P
[06:19] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:20] <Birthday_kgoetz> yay for mandarines and beer
[06:20] <Birthday_kgoetz> and Hobbsee :)O
[06:20] <Birthday_kgoetz> imbrandon: !
[06:20] <Hobbsee> hiya imbrandon
[06:20] <Hobbsee> is imbrandon visible?  hmmm...
[06:20] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee
[06:20] <imbrandon> hey Birthday_kgoetz
[06:20] <Hobbsee> indeed
[06:21] <Birthday_kgoetz> hi imbrandon :)
[06:21] <Hobbsee> ooh!  imbrandon is visible!
[06:21] <Birthday_kgoetz> :(
[06:21] <Hobbsee> why isnt there some form of ksnapshot equivalent?
[06:21] <imbrandon> heh
[06:21] <Birthday_kgoetz> ksnapshot?
[06:21] <Birthday_kgoetz> printscreen?
[06:23] <Hobbsee> bddebian: Kamping_Kaiser imbrandon http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/6869/screenshot4su.png <-- why i'm having trouble.
[06:24] <imbrandon> whats that irssi ?
[06:24] <Birthday_kgoetz> whats the problem :)
[06:24] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yeah, in xterm, on a dapper livecd
[06:24] <Hobbsee> Birthday_kgoetz: see the effects of white on light grey
[06:25] <Birthday_kgoetz> hehe
[06:25] <Hobbsee> and tiny text
[06:25] <Hobbsee> it's not so bad blazingly bright, at the right angle.
[06:25] <Hobbsee> but right now, i'ts unreadable
[06:25] <imbrandon> umm thats just irssi config
[06:25] <Birthday_kgoetz> in xterm your on your own, i can only help in gnome-term
[06:25] <Birthday_kgoetz> :)
[06:26] <Hobbsee> rock!  it'd be readable there!
[06:26] <Hobbsee> anyway, i'm going to sleep
[06:26] <imbrandon> gnight Hobbsee
[06:26] <Birthday_kgoetz> shes gone :(
[06:27] <Birthday_kgoetz> :'(
[06:37] <fbond> is the only thing currently broken in revu password recovery?
[06:37] <fbond> anyone know?
[06:37] <fbond> I see a lot of revu action, but I'm locked out, and have been for several days
[06:38] <fbond> I never bothered memorizing my password cause it was so easy to just recover it
[06:41] <imbrandon> see the last item in the topic
[06:42] <imbrandon> revu has been updated with LP intergration
[07:03] <zul> this is not good.."touch: setting times of `patch-stamp': Function not implemented
[07:03] <zul> edgy chroot
[07:05] <ogra> mount proc
[07:05] <zul> duh...thanks ogra
[07:06] <hub> what is the color difference in MOM output
[07:06] <hub> light green vs medium green?
[07:07] <sivang> so, grab a pbuilder, and the new set of Mom scripts, and start merging right?
[07:08] <sivang> hey Birthday_kgoetz , happy birhtday :)
[07:08] <sivang> how do e co-ordinate who is working on which package?
[07:08] <Birthday_kgoetz> hi sivang :)
[07:09] <Birthday_kgoetz> whats mom?
[07:09] <hub> Birthday_kgoetz: my name is hub, not hug
[07:09] <hub> Birthday_kgoetz: MoM = Merge-o-Matic
[07:09] <Birthday_kgoetz> :S
[07:09] <Birthday_kgoetz> oh, lol
[07:22] <Birthday_kgoetz> hi LaserJock :)
[07:23] <LaserJock> hi Birthday_kgoetz
[07:23] <Birthday_kgoetz> :)
[07:24] <LaserJock> wild guess here, but I'm getting the feeling it's somebody's birthday :-)
[07:24] <Birthday_kgoetz> LaserJock: :) what gave it away :)
[07:27] <hub> so if I resolve a merge from MoM, I'll just dput it to universe?
[07:28] <Toadstool> re
[07:33] <hub> do I need to apply to that: https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-universe-contributors/+members ?
[07:34] <LaserJock> hub: that's for people who want to upload to REVU
[07:34] <hub> ah right
[07:34] <hub> I"m already in Ubuntu-dev
[07:36] <LaserJock> yep, so i think you can just upload the merge
[07:41] <hub> I know I can upload to universe
[07:41] <hub> I was asking if that was the right thing
[07:41] <hub> I'll do it
[07:52] <Tonio_> hi all
[07:52] <_ion> Bono estente.
[07:59] <bddebian> Heya Tonio_
[08:00] <LaserJock> hi bddebian
[08:00] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[08:04] <highvoltage> hey bddebianisagod and LaserJock
[08:04] <LaserJock> hi highvoltage
[08:05] <highvoltage> LaserJock: how are things?
[08:05] <LaserJock> highvoltage: still sick, but got a driver's license
[08:06] <highvoltage> LaserJock: heh. i wish i could say that :)
[08:06] <LaserJock> highvoltage: could say what?
[08:06] <bddebian> LaserJock: I told you to stay away from those French hookers.. ;-P
[08:06] <highvoltage> LaserJock: that i got my drivers' license!
[08:06] <highvoltage> bddebian: if only they could stay away from him, too!
[08:07] <bddebian> :-)
[08:07] <LaserJock> I'm talking to her on the phone
[08:08] <LaserJock> It's the stupid subway system
[08:08] <LaserJock> highvoltage: I had a driver's license at 16, not having one is really bad for me
[08:09] <hub> I have 2 drivers license
[08:09] <hub> one European, one north american
[08:09] <LaserJock> still haven't gotten new credit and atm cards though, they should be arriving anyday
[08:10] <hub> LaserJock: what happened?
[08:10] <hub> you lost everything?
[08:10] <LaserJock> hub: yeah, pickpocketed on the Paris subway
[08:10] <highvoltage> LaserJock: i have a learners, my biggest incentive for a license is so that i can buy a better car. at the moment it's an 1989 citi golf
[08:10] <hub> LaserJock: never happened to me
[08:11] <hub> LaserJock: and I have taken the subway for YEARS
[08:11] <highvoltage> hub: where do you live?
[08:11] <hub> highvoltage: Ottawa, Canada
[08:11] <hub> highvoltage: used to live in Paris' burb
[08:11] <hub> and Lille
[08:11] <LaserJock> highvoltage: I had to learn to drive early growing up on a ranch, I could drive decently well by the time I was 12
[08:12] <highvoltage> wow. i only learned to drive when i was about 22.
[08:12] <highvoltage> (well, drive car, at least)
[08:12] <hub> I got my license at 19
[08:12] <hub> in France the age is 18 anyway
[08:13] <highvoltage> 18 here too.
[08:13] <hub> you can drink before you can drive ;-)
[08:13] <LaserJock> well, I had to get a driver's license at 16 so I could drive myself to university ;-)
[08:14] <highvoltage> we can only drink from 18 too. and smoke.
[08:14] <LaserJock> smoke at 18, drink at 21 here
[08:14] <highvoltage> LaserJock: wow. we seriously need more liberal laws here :)
[08:14] <hub> in France, they don't care
[08:14] <hub> anybody can buy smokes
[08:14] <hub> and bozze
[08:15] <Toadstool> I've seen kids smoking at 10 in France :(
[08:15] <bddebian> w00t
[08:15] <highvoltage> hub: well, that explains why Paris is so dirty ;)
[08:15] <LaserJock> lol
[08:15] <Toadstool> heh
[08:15] <highvoltage> i've seen kids smoking at 12 in cape town too, but at least they throw their cigarette buds in the bin when they're done ;)
[08:16] <LaserJock> but at least you go to Subway next to Notre Dame, Paris can't be all that bad
[08:16] <hub> highvoltage: compared to what?
[08:16] <Toadstool> LaserJock: as a tourist Paris is a nice town :)
[08:16] <highvoltage> hub: cape town, durban, london
[08:17] <LaserJock> Toadstool: if you keep you wallet ;-)
[08:17] <highvoltage> even jo'burg.
[08:17] <hub> only been to london
[08:17] <hub> not significantly cleaner
[08:17] <Toadstool> LaserJock: that's because the guy noticed you were a foreigner ^^
[08:17] <hub> that's because I never put the wallet in the back pack or the back pocket of the jeans
[08:17] <hub> seriously
[08:18] <Toadstool> yeah
[08:18] <LaserJock> I put it in the front to be careful
[08:18] <highvoltage> london was cleaner than paris was now when i was there last year.
[08:18] <zul> heh when i was in nairobi some kids stole my dad's mirror from his car
[08:18] <highvoltage> at least london has signs "This is a high pick-pocket area" in certain areas :)
[08:18] <bddebian> LaserJock: You were an Evil American so you were a target ;-P
[08:18] <LaserJock> bddebian: of course :-)
[08:18] <Toadstool> tss :)
[08:19] <highvoltage> bddebian: which evil nationilty are you?
[08:19] <LaserJock> at least I had a great bunch of friends around :-)
[08:19] <highvoltage> LaserJock: :)
[08:19] <hub> highvoltage: they have the same announcement in paris subway... in French
[08:19] <bddebian> highvoltage: I am the most Evil of Americans :-)
[08:19] <hub> highvoltage: anyway. Rule #1 pickpockets are everywhere
[08:19] <highvoltage> hub: hehe
[08:19] <hub> rule #2: not seeing any, see rule #1
[08:20] <LaserJock> anyway ...
[08:21] <LaserJock> everybody got there edgy pbuilders ready to go?
[08:21] <bddebian> LaserJock: Sort of :-)
[08:21] <LaserJock> were we going to do a REVU day today?
[08:21] <hub> mine is working
[08:22] <LaserJock> I'm still trying to grab all the -updates and -security stuff on my Dapper box :(
[08:22] <Toadstool> mine is broken 'cause the local mirror doesn't have the latest cpio version... :(
[08:23] <fbond> whenever anyone has a second, I'd love to be approved as a universe contributor
[08:23] <LaserJock> fbond: did you join the LP team?
[08:24] <fbond> that's what I need approval on
[08:24] <LaserJock> as long as you have joined, then somebody will be around to approve it when they can
[08:24] <fbond> ok
[08:24] <LaserJock> they are notified by email when you join
[08:26] <LaserJock> I think siretart is the one that can approve
[08:27] <crimsun> beware that sudo, cpio, and binutils are all horked on Edgy currently
[08:27] <chillywilly> ajmitch: what time is it there?
[08:28] <LaserJock> crimsun: I thought they were fixed recently (at least cpio)
[08:28] <bddebian> Heya chillywilly
[08:28] <chillywilly> hi
[08:28] <crimsun> LaserJock: the first two should be
[08:29] <crimsun> LaserJock: binutils bug only rears its head in stripping
[08:29] <LaserJock> ah
[08:30] <LaserJock> this release cycle is so short, I sure hope things like that  can get ironed out soon
[08:47] <hub> how often update MoM listing?
[08:56] <bddebian> LaserJock: I almost have scilab-4.0 nailed, I think
[08:56] <crimsun> who's uploading merges with MoM still listed in the changelog? :)
[08:56] <bddebian> Not I
[08:58] <bddebian> OK, now I am really confused.  I did a pubilder login --save-after-login, apt-get update, and exit
[08:58] <bddebian> And when I pbuilder build foo, it still can't find x11proto-gl-dev
[09:00] <LaserJock> bddebian: can you put your source package up somewhere?
[09:00] <bddebian> It's not mine
[09:01] <LaserJock> who's is it?
[09:02] <bddebian> Hobbsee's
[09:02] <bddebian> But it works in her and imbrandon's pbuilders
[09:06] <LaserJock> bddebian: oh, then that's quite odd
[09:07] <bddebian> Aye
[09:34] <crimsun> bddebian: you don't have x11proto-gl-dev in http://archive.ubuntu.com edgy/main Packages ?
[09:34] <bddebian> crimsun: If I do an apt-get install from pbuilder login, it works fine
[09:35] <crimsun> ...but?
[09:35] <bddebian> pbuilder build doesn't get it
[09:36] <crimsun> got the source package posted?
[09:36] <crimsun> dsc would be fine for starters
[09:37] <bddebian> No, Hobbsee sent it to me via e-mail
[09:37] <bddebian> Though it might be on REVU by now
[09:37] <bddebian> ksudoku
[09:37] <crimsun> yeah, that is on revu
[09:39] <crimsun> got something funky in your pbuilder, perhaps?
[09:41] <bddebian> Aye but I can't figure out what..
[09:42] <crimsun> and the pbuilder's up to date n' all?
[09:42] <sivang> hey slomo , 'sup? :)
[09:42] <bddebian> I did both a 'sudo pbuild-edgy update --override-config' and tried 'sudo pbuilder login --save-after-login' and apt-get update inside
[09:56] <bddebian> OK, dumb question.  What is PREFIX vs. DESTDIR?
[09:57] <crimsun> prefix is the actual prefix of the path where file are installed
[09:57] <crimsun> normally, /usr
[09:57] <crimsun> destdir is the destination where compiled source is installed into
[09:58] <bddebian> Ah, hmm
[09:58] <bddebian> Man this stupid scilab package is making me feel more stupid than usual :-(
[09:58] <crimsun> so for Debian/Ubuntu packages, prefix is normally /usr, and destdir is normally $(pwd)/debian/$package
[09:59] <bddebian> Well this is what Scientific Computing is doing for scilab..  $(MAKE) -e install PREFIX=$(CURDIR)/debian/scilab/usr DOCNAME=scilab
[10:02] <crimsun> so they're using PREFIX where packages normally use DESTDIR?
[10:02] <crimsun> can you post the Makefile?
[10:03] <bddebian> crimsun: According to Debian.readme, they specifically aren't touching the configuration files
[10:04] <bddebian> But they are using normal debhelper stuff, not cdbs
[10:04] <crimsun> right, but I would need to see the Makefile to understand its semantics
[10:04] <bddebian> Oh, sorry, hang on
[10:04] <crimsun> (well, its syntax but the semantics of the call)
[10:09] <Spec> when is uds-paris?
[10:10] <LaserJock> it was last week
[10:10] <crimsun> it happened already
[10:10] <Spec> oh, cool
[10:11] <LaserJock> which one?
[10:12] <Spec> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/auto-unmount-notifications
[10:13] <LaserJock> ah
[10:13] <bddebian> crimsun: will a makefile.in do?
[10:14] <crimsun> bddebian: erm, well, we'll see
[10:14] <bddebian> I guess I can make one
[10:16] <Spec> LaserJock: it's not a very impressive spec, but it should've been implemented since breezy ;p
[10:17] <crimsun> no, usability improvements are impressive regardless
[10:17] <crimsun> lots of small improvements win
[10:18] <crimsun> what is most annoying to me at the moment is that external storage via usb/firewire isn't unmounted pre-suspend-to-{ram,disk}
[10:23] <LaserJock> to me there seemed to be a lot of activity around usability and a11y in Paris
[10:23] <crimsun> as there should have been imnsho
[10:24] <LaserJock> I wish I could have gone to all the BOFs :-)
[10:24] <LaserJock> it was really hard picking and choosing
[10:35] <bddebian> Damn, apparently I REALLY don't understand cdbs :'-(
[10:35] <crimsun> there is simply too much inanity in #ubuntu atm
[10:43] <bddebian> crimsun: If you get a sec:  http://www2.bddebian.com:8000/packages/ubuntu/scilab4/
[10:43] <crimsun> I'm firewalled on 8000
[10:43] <crimsun> pretty much firewalled on everything save 80, 22, and 21.
[10:44] <crimsun> (sec, I need to find another host)
[10:44] <LaserJock> crimsun: bummer, I feel your pain, although not quite that much
[10:50] <uniq> i can mirror for you if you want.
[10:51] <uniq> http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/scilab4/
[10:51] <uniq> there you go.
[10:52] <bddebian> Nice
[10:53] <bddebian> crimsun: It seems like even with PREFIX set, it tries to create the $package dir under debian/tmp
[10:54] <crimsun> bddebian: right, so they're using PREFIX where DESTDIR normally is
[10:55] <crimsun> prefix/destdir a non-issue
[10:55] <crimsun> what dh_compat?
[10:55] <bddebian> crimsun: Yeah, the do weird crap like prefix=$PREFIX
[10:55] <crimsun> any .installs?
[10:55] <bddebian> 3 of them
[10:55] <bddebian> Compat 4
[10:55] <crimsun> does debian/rules force it into debian/tmp/ ?
[10:56] <bddebian> I am trying to.  Or do you mean theirs?  scilab-3.0 cdbs did
[10:56] <crimsun> what do the .installs use?
[10:56] <crimsun> meaning scilab-4.0's
[10:56] <bddebian> I know but the scicomputing package or mine?  scicomputing only builds 1 binary
[10:56] <bddebian> They use debhelper
[10:57] <crimsun> whichever package you're having problems with
[10:58] <bddebian> Ah, mine has the following, witch is wrong:
[10:58] <bddebian> debian/tmp/usr/lib/scilab/X11_defaults/
[10:58] <bddebian> debian/tmp/usr/lib/scilab/config/
[11:01] <crimsun> (hi barry!)
[11:03] <bddebian> ?
[11:03] <bddebian> Did you mean what are the .install files?
[11:05] <bddebian> crimsun: Did I lose you?
[11:07] <crimsun> bddebian: yes
[11:08] <bddebian> :-(
[11:11] <crimsun> bddebian: the "yes" was in response to the .install
[11:13] <bddebian> crimsun: Oh, sorry.  scilab.install, scilab-doc.install, and scilab-bin.install
[11:13] <crimsun> bddebian: right, do those use tmp ?
[11:14] <bddebian> The first two lines of scilab.install is what I posted above
[11:14] <crimsun> nod, and fixing those results in...?
[11:15] <bddebian> What do you mean by "fixing" those?  My package doesn't install in temp unless I hack that PREFIX= line
[11:15] <crimsun> source package would work best.   Thanks for your time and hopefully I can catch you later on..
[11:33] <bddebian> Later folks


[20:15] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: not happy with wayland... screen sizes are all wrong. Nothing seems to scale right. I just changed the work space of an application from workspace 3 to workspace 4 and ended up with it displaying on both 3 and 4   :p  exiting one of them exited both so not two instances.
[20:18] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: Ardour was esspecially bad... either the text is readable and the window is bigger than the screen or the text is tiny, tiny. I did not have this trouble with a lower res screen or X. I am guessing I will have to reboot to use waydroid... still feeling my way around with that.
[20:19] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: in the end I am guessing I will create my own application in native Linux so I don't need android
[20:20] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: I've found display scaling with Ardour extremely problematic myself.
[20:32] <OvenWerks> Ardour is a mix of system font size and the scalling config from what I can tell.
[20:35] <Eickmeyer> Yeah. These are very upstream bugs
[20:46] <OvenWerks> the showing of the same app in two workspaces is probably plasma thing. (the wayland part)
[20:46] <OvenWerks> but I have had trouble getting fonts to a reasonable size.
[20:47] <OvenWerks> and when I switched to a wayland session, it seems everything I had set was gone.
[21:08] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Known bug that I talked to the president of KDE about at Summit, and he showed me how to resolve it. Fixed in 23.04.
[21:08] <Eickmeyer> Basically, our XDG config path was in the wrong place for Wayland to pick it u.
[21:08] <Eickmeyer> *up
[21:09] <Eickmeyer> I'm adding Wayland to the default install (but not selected by default) for 23.04
[22:53] <Eickmeyer> ubuntustudio-pipewire-config is approved and landing in lunar. Studio will have it by default, it will be available in -installer for flavors.
[22:54] <Eickmeyer> Simply enables the extra layer for Jack.


[00:26] <bjsnider> it will be ready in a few years
[00:26] <bjsnider> that's what people have been saying for more than a few years
[00:27] <IdleOne> Keep on saying it and one they it will be right
[00:27] <IdleOne> :)
[02:05] <roasted> darkxst: good deal! Ubuntu GNOME in particular made me super curious since I would think Gnome wuold largely be Wayland, but Ubuntu GNOME... there's more of a balance there between the two.
[02:06] <roasted> on the upside, I believe Mir lit a fire under Wayland's tail to get development going. Seems to be going nicely on both fronts now.
[03:22] <roasted> also, in Ubuntu GNOME, I mentioned earliet aht I could not set my away status/availability under the menu in the upper right.
[03:22] <roasted> Someone said they scrolled over it and it worked.
[03:22] <roasted> Which works for me but I cannot CLICK To get the drop down like I used to.
[03:22] <roasted> Not sure if it's a bug or if my particular install is just weird.
[03:31] <bjsnider> third possibility: it is a deliberate choice by the gnome developers
[03:32] <roasted> could be
[03:32] <roasted> not sure it makes much sense though
[03:33] <roasted> then again some choices Gnome has made hasn't made much sense, so... :P
[03:33] <bjsnider> here's what you can do
[03:33] <bjsnider> head on over to gimpnet
[03:33] <bjsnider> go to the gnome-shell channel. all of the developers are in there on a work day
[03:34] <bjsnider> and you just ask them, is what you do
[03:34] <bjsnider> owen has said before that if you can convince them of something, you can change things
[03:34] <roasted> I shall do that
[03:34] <bjsnider> it's not a good time now though
[03:34] <roasted> as it stands I still have to use the cups printing web interface since the gnome printing GUI is neutered
[03:35] <roasted> perhaps I should fir ethat out there too
[03:35]  * bjsnider enjoys sending angry people to gimpnet to complain and whatnot
[03:35] <atrus> anything special you need? i went through the gnome 3.8 printing ui the other day, and it worked much better than it used to. granted, that was on fedora 19.
[03:36] <roasted> atrus: I'll have to give it another shot when I'm done renovating my basement. Currently I have no printers on my LAN since they're stashed elsewhere.
[03:36] <roasted> but last I used Gnome with printing, it didn't pick up either printer.
[03:36] <roasted> It just makes no sense to cut out LPD and manual input capabilities for printers.
[03:36] <roasted> An advanced drop down menu would make far more sense.
[03:37] <roasted> Auto detection by default, or an advanced menu to put things in manually. Bam, winner.
[03:37] <bjsnider> works fine here but i only use epson printers
[03:38] <bjsnider> due to superior linux drivers
[03:38] <roasted> I have an epson printer...
[03:38] <roasted> and an HP laserjet.
[03:42] <bjsnider> you tried to set up an epson printer and it wasn't recognized?
[03:42] <bjsnider> hard to believe
[03:42] <roasted> neither was recognized
[03:42] <roasted> however, I didn't try it on 3.8
[03:43] <roasted> I only hopped on 3.8 about a week ago, and my basement remodel (where my office is) has been going on for a month.
[03:44] <bjsnider> it would have been recognized no matter what
[03:46] <roasted> Well, I didn't see either when I tried last.
[03:47] <bjsnider> check localhost:631
[03:47] <roasted> when I hooked it up via LPD in the CUPS web UI I got both working in no time.
[03:47] <roasted> but the auto detect in GNOME picked up nothing
[03:47] <roasted> tried it a dozen times.
[03:54] <roasted> I wish Gnome ran better on this nettop. AMD E450 just aint doing it.
[10:34] <Munchor> guys you should ask
[10:35] <Munchor> worldofgnome.org to share your need for alpha testers btw :)
[14:32] <roasted> bjsnider: Epson printer showed up right away this time. :D
[17:35] <furycd001> HI I have just installed ubuntu gnome & then gnome fallback session. How do I install & change themes that I have downloaded ??