[06:10] <tux_> mpq, good
[06:10] <ewhitten> I have no idea.  I'm trying them now
[06:10] <crimsun_> DeepSpaceAnt: we're investigating. For now, it's a workaround.
[06:11] <mpq> it looks like I'm on hoary now
[06:11] <mpq> I think
[06:12] <DeepSpaceAnt> oh, you guys also know why when playing wmv's in totem the sound doesnt work? Its all choppy (i tried totem-gstreamer and the other totem-)
[06:12] <crimsun_> mpq: COLUMNS=120 dpkg -l libc6|grep ^ii|awk '{print $3}'
[06:12] <mpq> what is that?
[06:12] <crimsun_> mpq: prints the package revision of libc6 installed.
[06:13] <mpq> now all the windows are crammed into the left side
[06:13] <mpq> how do I fix that?
[06:13] <allnames> hi all
[06:13] <crimsun_> mpq: that command tells me whether you've upgraded to hoary
[06:14] <allnames> wat do i do if i want to upgrade an application in ubuntu using internet ..
[06:14] <tux_> wow
[06:14] <mpq> 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu8
[06:14] <allnames> cab someone pls tell me...wat do i do if i want to upgrade an application in ubuntu using internet ..
[06:14] <tux_> allnames, try synaptic
[06:14] <tux_> in the console
[06:15] <tux_> type "sudo synaptic"
[06:15] <crimsun_> mpq: yep, that's hoary
[06:15] <allnames> tux: in gentoo ... i did emerge -u app
[06:15] <tux_> nice
[06:15] <tux_> =)
[06:15] <mpq> all the open program buttons in the bottom of the toolbar are crammed into the left side
[06:15] <tux_> i know
[06:15] <mpq> how do I fix that?
[06:15] <allnames> tux: lol.. wat i mean is .. is it as easy as that in ubuntu?
[06:15] <tux_> almost
[06:15] <tux_> but no compiling ... for the most part
[06:16] <tux_> allnames, look or the ubuntu wiki
[06:16] <allnames> i like compiling : S...
[06:16] <tux_> complete howto on there
[06:16] <allnames> tux: can u pls give me the url
[06:16] <crimsun_> mpq: adjust the properties of the bar
[06:16] <tux_> er, i like using things.. not waiting
[06:17] <tux_> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrontPage
[06:17] <allnames> has any1 installed ubuntu on their laptop?
[06:17] <mpq> crimsun_ and do what?
[06:17] <tux_> allnames, yes
[06:17] <|junit|> allnames: yes
[06:17] <allnames> i would like ot know how good it is with touchpad and wireless
[06:17] <ewhitten> and I'm playing world of warcraft in a window now too. ;)
[06:17] <|junit|> both worked amazing for me
[06:17] <snowblink> Does anyone know how to configure mutt/postfix to set the return path to the sender as opposed to the user?
[06:18] <crimsun_> mpq: you can adjust the width
[06:18] <ImagistTD> tux, talk to me man, you're my only hope!  (the chipset version is A06, just checked my drivers disk)
[06:18] <allnames> tux && junit : can u pls tell me if u had problems using ur touchpad and wireless card
[06:18] <crimsun_> mpq: sorry, I'm not in front of a hoary desktop atm, so I can't walk you through it.
[06:18] <mpq> I don't see an option for width
[06:18] <tux_> allnames, not me
[06:18] <tux_> no issues with that at all
[06:18] <tux_> using a Dell 7500 inspiron
[06:18] <tux_> mpq, me neither
[06:19] <ewhitten> Dell c840 latitude here
[06:19] <ImagistTD> Dell 1100 here
[06:19] <allnames> tux: oh ok ...what i wanted to know was.. does it .. detect wireless access points well.. adn if i need to break my head to enable it.. and touchpad
[06:19] <tux_> need a Qemu img for Hoary
[06:19] <tux_> D505 here
[06:19] <ImagistTD> maybe we can get the whole inspiron series here
[06:19] <ewhitten> tux_:  you have suspend-to-disk going?
[06:19] <elmaya> inspiron8500 here
[06:19] <tux_> ewhitten, on the inspiron.. yes
[06:19] <elmaya> and it sucks
[06:20] <tux_> this one only to ram
[06:20] <DeepSpaceAnt> oh, you guys also know why when playing wmv's in totem the sound doesnt work? Its all choppy (i tried totem-gstreamer and the other totem-)
[06:20] <tux_> D505 that is
[06:20] <mpq> how do I resize the window buttons in hoary?
[06:20] <|junit|> works good with centrino
[06:20] <elmaya> use mplayer
[06:20] <ewhitten> mpq: what window buttons?
[06:20] <mpq> the buttons in the toolbar
[06:20] <tux_> DeepSpaceAnt, did you optimize your HD with hdparm?
[06:20] <ewhitten> with your running programs?
[06:20] <mpq> yeah
[06:21] <mpq> they're all crammed into the left side for some reason
[06:21] <ewhitten> mpq:  see that little vertical bar all the way to the left of those icons?
[06:21] <ewhitten> probably right after the little desktop button
[06:21] <ewhitten> right click that, choose Preferences, then select the Size tab.
[06:22] <mpq> it's always on minimum size for some reason
[06:23] <ewhitten> mpq:  the sizing can get a little funky yes.  try upping your min. size to something like 512 pixels
[06:23] <mpq> sounds like a bug
[06:23] <DeepSpaceAnt> tux_, what would that have to do with that?
[06:23] <DeepSpaceAnt> tux_, i dont get the same problems in mplayer
[06:24] <mpq> maybe I should get used to using workspaces
[06:24] <ewhitten> they are rather helpful.
[06:24] <tux_> DeepSpaceAnt, you are setting the Hard Drive parameters such as using DMA
[06:24] <tux_> google and look at the howto on Orielly
[06:25] <|junit|> I am looking for a linux book, do you guys have any recommendations?
[06:25] <DeepSpaceAnt> k
[06:25] <Xirdneh> hi there, can someone help me, dmsg say this: ndiswrapper version 0.10 loaded (preempt=yes,smp=no)
[06:25] <Xirdneh> ndiswrapper (wrapper_init:2286): loadndiswrapper failed (1536);check utils version mismatch... what utils is it talking about?
[06:26] <Guest_386> junit, For a good linux command reference book, you might want to try o'reilly's LInux Pocketbook guide.
[06:26] <DeepSpaceAnt> tux_, it looks more like a problem with software: this is the error in terminal: ffmpeg_audio_dec: error decompressing audio frame
[06:26] <tux_> ah, yea
[06:26] <tux_> did ya google for that error?
[06:26] <|junit|> I'm kinda lookin for an actual book... but a quick guide would be good to have
[06:26] <DeepSpaceAnt> tux_, yae, quite a bit::P
[06:26] <Guest_386> Yeah, I couldn't suggest a book, but that guide is invaluble.
[06:27] <snowblink> |junit|: tldp.org
[06:27] <ImagistTD> Anyone know how to make Ubuntu install on a Dell Inspiron 1100 with Pentium 4 and Chipset Version A06?  It hangs on "Retrieving nic-extra-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386-di" and the usual "linux noacpi pci=noapic" workaround isn't working.
[06:27] <Xenguy> |junit|: FWIW -> http://www.togaware.com/linux/survivor/
[06:28] <crimsun_> ImagistTD: those kernel parameters are reversed
[06:28] <crimsun_> ImagistTD: pci=noacpi noapic   <--
[06:29] <ImagistTD> Thank you!  I'll be back, hopefully via Gaim in Ubuntu.
[06:29] <|QuaD|> still installing ubuntu via qemu
[06:30] <delltony> anyone ever heard of gaim-w that is suppose to add video and voice to gaim? if so where about might i find the deb package for this?
[06:31] <|QuaD|> delltony: gaim-vv
[06:31] <GregoryD> what file holds the information for iptables?
[06:31] <|QuaD|> delltony: its EXTREMELY outdated iirc
[06:31] <|junit|> this is a good channel =D
[06:32] <|QuaD|> |junit|: thanks... i guess :)
[06:32] <delltony> oh
[06:32] <|junit|> ha
[06:32] <delltony> then in that case nevermind
[06:32] <|QuaD|> delltony: why?
[06:32] <delltony> you said extremely outdated
[06:32] <delltony> no need in having something outdated
[06:32] <|QuaD|> delltony: once they are mature enough, tehy will be put in gaim
[06:32] <|QuaD|> delltony: yeah
[06:32] <delltony> i just wish there was a way cause there kinda is if you konkw the room name
[06:33] <delltony> but my thought is a way to list the room names on that instant messenger thing
[06:33] <delltony> some folks don't like chat personally i do but anyway
[06:33] <delltony> oh and speaking of chat
[06:33] <DeepSpaceAnt> anyone know why i get : ffmpeg_audio_dec: error decompressing audio frame
[06:33] <DeepSpaceAnt>  when playing wmv's in xine (happens in gstreamer too) but doesnt happen in mplayer
[06:33] <delltony> has anyone successfully gotten paltalk 7.0 to run on wine? if so how
[06:34] <|junit|> What is a good CD Burning GUI?
[06:34] <delltony> i have winetools running
[06:34] <delltony> k3b
[06:34] <tux_> lol
[06:34] <|junit|> I use Gnome
[06:34] <DeepSpaceAnt> graveman
[06:34] <tux_> yea, k3b is the best
[06:34] <DeepSpaceAnt> |junit|, graveman
[06:34] <delltony> k3b rocks however how do you get it to auto su?
[06:34] <SiRrUs> |junit| k3b works fine
[06:34] <delltony> i have did that setup thing it ask but it always fails
[06:34] <delltony> so i have to sudo k3b it
[06:34] <|junit|> under gnome?
[06:34] <DeepSpaceAnt> |junit|, gravemen uses gtk, workes perfectly with gnome
[06:35] <DeepSpaceAnt> |junit|, its in the rep. just search under synaptic
[06:35] <SiRrUs> delltony type gksudo k3b
[06:35] <tux_> delltony, user group issue... check permissons on tmp folder and make user part of burning group
[06:35] <delltony> ok thats a new one on me man gksudo ?
[06:35] <tux_> works for me
[06:35] <SiRrUs> delltony with hoary you dont need to worry about it
[06:36] <delltony> not running hoary yet
[06:36] <delltony> tried to get it up and running on 2 attempts both failed so ill just wait
[06:36] <SiRrUs> :)
[06:36] <GregoryD> what file holds the information for iptables?  I'm switching from windows and I need to use identd to or a fake ident to connect to some irc servers so I need to edit it
[06:36] <ImagistTD> hi, I'm back
[06:36] <ImagistTD> no luck
[06:37] <delltony> i mean i could set here and pull my hairs out trying to get it working but i think it would be pointless considering its not released yet :)
[06:37] <delltony> just my thought
[06:37] <crimsun_> ImagistTD: did you try each option singly? "noapic" for instance.
[06:37] <mebaran151> how do I make apt restore the init script for inetd
[06:37] <mebaran151> I didnt touch
[06:37] <mebaran151> it
[06:37] <|junit|> im likin graveman =d
[06:37] <|junit|> =D
[06:37] <mebaran151> but it keeps complaining that it cant fix it
[06:37] <DeepSpaceAnt> |junit|, :) have fun
[06:37] <crimsun_> mebaran151: --reinstall install
[06:37] <|junit|> im gonna go install hoary
[06:37] <|junit|> later
[06:37] <mebaran151> thanks
[06:38] <ImagistTD> here's what I typed after boot: linux pci=noapci noapic.  I also tried pci=noapic noacpi in case I mistyped it
[06:38] <ImagistTD> cromsun_, no
[06:38] <ImagistTD> i'll try that
[06:38] <crimsun_> ImagistTD: typo on pci=noaCPi
[06:38] <mebaran151> I dont want to break a whole bunch of dependency
[06:38] <mebaran151> but I would like to use xinetd
[06:38] <delltony> SiRrUs: i did a man on gksudo trying to get an understanding of it what exactly does it do? is it a group sudo or something just curious to learn new commands thanks
[06:38] <mebaran151> and remove inetd regular
[06:39] <mebaran151> netkit-inetd
[06:39] <crimsun_> brb
[06:39] <ImagistTD> crimson, that's what I typed.  above it a typo
[06:39] <GregoryD> gksudo = sudo for the window system
[06:39] <ImagistTD> *is
[06:39] <delltony> aww ok thanks
[06:40] <ImagistTD> I'm going to go try every possible combination of noa with the letters c, p, and i after them that I can think of until something works
[06:40] <ImagistTD> I;m very frustrated
[06:41] <GregoryD> useful since some programs will install an icon with the command gksu <filename>... and since ubuntu doesn't have root by default, it won't let ya run em
[06:43] <SiRrUs> delltony here you go The command is a frontend to sudo. Its primary purpose is to run graphical commands that need root without the need to run an X terminal emulator and using su or sudo directly
[06:43] <delltony> ok
[06:43] <delltony> so do you do it only once?
[06:43] <delltony> and it sets it up?
[06:43] <delltony> or do yo uhave to issue gksudo k3b each go round?
[06:43] <SiRrUs> nope everytime it starts
[06:43] <delltony> ok
[06:44] <tim> looking for help setting up plone on warty, any luck?
[06:44] <delltony> so basically in a way its a dummie sudo to fool the application so to speak
[06:44] <SiRrUs> :)
[06:45] <GregoryD> delltonY: make an icon and use gksudo k3b as the command
[06:45] <delltony> sounds good to me and you said it automatically installs an icon for you?
[06:45] <delltony> yeah i did that
[06:45] <delltony> working fine actually
[06:45] <delltony> and thanks for the help
[06:45] <GregoryD> not for kde files, I don't believe
[06:45] <GregoryD> you can add it to a menu, though
[06:46] <SiRrUs> delltony any time
[06:47] <delltony> tell me i hear alot about hoary not working with backports and all tht good stuff, well i have used backports and my question is this. when hoary becomes offical will i have major issues upgrading or will there be away to remove the backports so the upgrade with hopefully go smooth?
[06:47] <ImagistTD> still no luck
[06:47] <ImagistTD> I entered the parameters separately
[06:48] <ImagistTD> all they did was create different speeds of flickering when the install hangs
[06:48] <SiRrUs> delltony sorry i dont know anything about backports :)
[06:49] <delltony> thats cool maybe you can help on this one you know of any way to get paltalk to work on wine. i believe the frankscorner method is way outdated
[06:49] <delltony> for its version 5.0 and pal is on 7.0 now
[06:50] <delltony> the winedebuger comes up but unfortunately for me i hve no idea how to understand it :(
[06:51] <SiRrUs> delltony try crossover think you can get a 30 day trial to see if you like it
[06:51] <delltony> i tried that and really didn't like it
[06:51] <delltony> cause winetools seems just like crossover
[06:52] <delltony> and why pay for something that you already have to the most part :)
[06:52] <SiRrUs> :)
[06:57] <SiRrUs> got very quiet in here
[06:57] <GregoryD> yeah, I still can't figger out my issue :)
[06:57] <SiRrUs> ?
[06:57] <mpq> I just realized it was a mistake to install windows on a ntfs partition
[06:58] <GregoryD> I need to figure out where the rules for iptables is stored so that I can edit them to use identd to connect to some irc servers
[06:58] <ImagistTD> installing windows is always a mistake
[06:58] <mpq> it was only for games
[06:58] <ImagistTD> I know, just joking
[06:58] <Guest_386> bye!
[06:58] <ImagistTD> I'm on windows right now
[06:58] <mpq> I know it was a mistake
[06:59] <ImagistTD> I'm losing hope in my ever switching to linux
[06:59] <Mr_Smiley> :(
[06:59] <mpq> I'm uninstalling it once I get a better gaming pc
[06:59] <mpq> this laptop is not good for gaming
[06:59] <SiRrUs> mpq just buy an Xbox
[07:00] <GregoryD> I buy consoles if I wanna play video games
[07:00] <ImagistTD> a dell?  you probably have the same problem as I if it's a dell
[07:00] <mpq> xbox doesn't play the sims 2
[07:00] <mpq> and I already have one
[07:00] <GregoryD> as long as linux runs my emulators, I'm A-OK :)
[07:00] <Mr_Smiley> :D
[07:01] <neighborlee> :)
[07:01] <mpq> if I can figure out how to run the sims 2 in wine, I wouldn't need windows
[07:01] <linux101> I just installed the newest ubuntu realese and it isn't making use of both procs. do i need to recompile the kernal with smp suport or is there an esier way
[07:01] <mpq> but I don't think I can
[07:01] <mpq> for that matter, I can't even access the windows partition
[07:02] <mpq> so I don't think I can run it
[07:02] <neighborlee> mpq, can't access it ?
[07:02] <heydude> im gonna try out the livecd- will that run how ubuntu will normally run
[07:02] <GregoryD> Sony needs to give me a computer powered by 8 cell processors
[07:02] <GregoryD> I would be happy
[07:02] <mpq> it tells me I don't have permission to access the partition
[07:02] <ImagistTD> the sims 2 has huge graphics
[07:02] <neighborlee> GregoryD, me too LOL
[07:02] <ImagistTD> I'm surprised that you can run it at all on a laptop
[07:02] <mpq> heydude, it would probably be slower
[07:02] <SiRrUs> linux101 why not just aptitude the kernel
[07:03] <mpq> because it will be running off the cd
[07:03] <diego> hi all. i know this SOUNDS stupid but it's what i'm experiencing and is 100% reproducible on my machine. any .pdf i upload becomes corrupt. checked this with attachments on gmail and hotmail. jpg attachment worked fine. i'm on hoary. would someone else be kind enough to see if it's just me? this is important to me as i got a 0 on an assignment i spent 5 hours doing yesterday because i couldn't print it.
[07:03] <linux101> hmm didn't think of that
[07:03] <SiRrUs> :)
[07:03] <ImagistTD> kay, one last try
[07:03] <diego> linux101: yeah there smp kernel is your best bet :P
[07:04] <diego> the*
[07:04] <mpq> is it possible to access ntfs partitions outside of windows?
[07:04] <mpq> because I don't think it is
[07:04] <diego> mpq: yes
[07:04] <delltony> as in mounting them?
[07:04] <ImagistTD>  I had an error when the boot disk was "Loading components of the Ubuntu Installer". Everything goes fine until it comes to "Retrieving nic-extra-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386-di". Then the screen flickers (looks like an infinite loop)
[07:04] <mpq> I think I read somewhere that it would be read-only
[07:04] <diego> mpq: do something like `mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/point/
[07:04] <mpq> if so, it wouldn't help me
[07:04] <diego> mpq: oh...
[07:05] <mpq> I can't install the sims 2 outside of windows
[07:05] <mpq> and I can't run it from the partition in hoary
[07:05] <ImagistTD> I'm running on a Dell Inspiron 1100, Pentium 4, version A06 chipset
[07:05] <diego> mpq: yeah, if you want stable read&write support between win&lin, i think fat is the way to go
[07:05] <mpq> which would require that I uninstall windows
[07:05] <SiRrUs> anyway good night everyone
[07:05] <Mr_Smiley> you can read ntfs partitions fine, just not write
[07:06] <diego> mpq: no..windows comes with an ntfs->fat32 conversion utility i think
[07:06] <mpq> really?
[07:06] <delltony> it does?
[07:06] <mpq> I thought it was only the other way
[07:06] <diego> hehe, i think it does both
[07:06] <delltony> i don't think it is i think its only one way honestly
[07:06] <diego> i'll boot and check if you'll see if .pdf attachments work for you...deal?
[07:06] <mpq> windows doesn't like fat
[07:06] <mpq> so I don't see why it would
[07:07] <heydude> hey- will the live CD - run the same as a normal install- i wanna see how fast the os works
[07:07] <mpq> it won't be as fast as the install
[07:07] <heydude> k
[07:07] <diego> heydude: negative, reading off a cd is much slower than reading off a hd
[07:07] <mpq> because it will be limited by cd read speed
[07:07] <heydude> ok
[07:07] <diego> mpq: deal?
[07:08] <mpq> huh?
[07:08] <diego> if you'll check if .pdf file uploads (such as in a html-based e-mail attachment), i will look for that ntfs->fat32 tool
[07:08] <zenrox> delltony,  it does work bolth ways
[07:09] <mpq> if I convert NTFS to FAT32 will it destroy the data?
[07:09] <diego> preferable
[07:09] <diego> **cough** i mean no
[07:09] <mpq> if I had a choice I wouldn't have windows at all
[07:10] <mpq> but my sister is addicted to the sims 2 and my computer is the only one in the house that can handle it
[07:10] <heydude> can someone help me partition a drive
[07:10] <heydude> im trying to have a dual boot- windows/linux - i dunno what the hell im doing
[07:10] <ImagistTD> I'm going to try something from the documentation again
[07:10] <diego> will someone check the reproducibility pdf attachment issue i'm having (posted in detail 7-8 minutes ago), please?
[07:10] <ImagistTD> I may know what I did wrong
[07:10] <delltony> where in xp? cause i tried it before i know partition magic 8 will do it
[07:10] <mpq> heydude: do you know what partition windows is on?
[07:11] <heydude> no
[07:11] <heydude> i dl'd a tool
[07:11] <heydude> partition magic or something
[07:11] <mpq> you downloaded partition magic?
[07:11] <heydude> something like that
[07:12] <mpq> are you sure it's partition magic?
[07:12] <diego> sounding illegal, roofle
[07:12] <delltony> yeah and converted it with partitoin magic i couldn't find any other way to do it after reading the forums
[07:12] <delltony> http://www.ntcompatible.com/thread18987-1.html
[07:13] <heydude> i downloaded a zip file online with some things
[07:13] <heydude> is there another program i can use
[07:13] <heydude> an open source one?
[07:13] <mpq> partition magic is retail
[07:13] <sulkd> mpq, you don't want fat32.. believe me... fat32 has a 4gig filesize cap
[07:13] <heydude> k
[07:13] <tux_> qtparted on knoppix
[07:13] <tux_> works good
[07:13] <diego> come on, no one in here is nice enough to check if a .pdf http upload works for them on hoary?
[07:14] <tux_> just had to slip that in
[07:14] <mpq> what about fat?
[07:14] <sulkd> ?
[07:14] <delltony> that is true too what sulkd  said
[07:14] <mpq> is there a cap on FAT?
[07:14] <tux_> fat is very limited...
[07:14] <tux_> that is why ms uses ntfs now
[07:15] <mpq> I can't use NTFS outside of windows
[07:15] <tux_> right
[07:15] <delltony> if you have two boxes you can
[07:15] <mpq> I don't have two boxes
[07:15] <linux101> ms should switch to rieserFS
[07:15] <delltony> you can samba into it
[07:15] <sulkd> mpq, yeah.. each file can only be 4 gigabyte... which doesnt suit me since I have some dvdr images
[07:15] <mpq> each file?
[07:15] <tux_> and using ext3 in windows is not really working .. except for reading
[07:15] <mpq> I thought you meant the entire partition
[07:16] <sulkd> mpq, well you can read ntfs just fine..
[07:16] <diego> tux_: ext3 in windows? how?
[07:16] <mpq> but I can't write to it
[07:16] <mpq> which doesn't help
[07:16] <sulkd> mpq, maybe what you need is a flash unit for carrying files between linux and windows
[07:16] <mpq> I have that
[07:16] <mpq> but that's not the point
[07:16] <sulkd> ok
[07:16] <tux_> diego, there is an opensource app called explorerext2 or some such
[07:16] <sulkd> yeah
[07:16] <mpq> the problem is that the I only have windows to run the sims 2
[07:16] <diego> tux_: cool, i'll have to check that out sometime
[07:16] <sulkd> the flash things suck anyway, I think they even are fat formatted
[07:16] <delltony> he is wanting to dual boot windows linux if i understand him right
[07:16] <mpq> if I could run it in linux I could uninstall windows
[07:16] <mpq> but I can't
[07:16] <tux_> diego, handy tool
[07:17] <delltony> mpq then in that cause use that free vmware qeum i thnk it is
[07:17] <tux_> mpq, why uninstall windows...
[07:17] <delltony> case even
[07:17] <mpq> I can't
[07:17] <tux_> just delete the partition
[07:17] <tux_> or rather format it
[07:17] <mpq> if I uninstall windows I can't run games
[07:17] <tux_> lol
[07:17] <zenrox> mpq, i have many games installed
[07:17] <mpq> my sister is addicted to the sims 2 and my computer is the only one that can run it
[07:17] <linux101> thats why i keep windows for the games
[07:18] <delltony> dude like i stated run that vmware program that is the free one i forget the name someone can help me with that
[07:18] <tux_> mpq, that is why i have another system .. just for windows crap... got the system from the dumpster
[07:18] <sulkd> oh come on, we all know that if you want to run games it's best to just use windows and not even bother with cedega..
[07:18] <delltony> but i use vmware personally to play games and what have you
[07:18] <mpq> I can't afford another box
[07:18] <tux_> delltony, i think qemu will do that for you
[07:18] <mpq> if I could I sure wouldn't dual boot
[07:18] <delltony> yeah thats it
[07:18] <delltony> thanks for the name
[07:18] <sulkd> delltony, run games in a windows that is run over an emulator?
[07:18] <tux_> mpq, nice to hear
[07:18] <delltony> yeah i run windows xp full install in vmware
[07:18] <delltony> and the games work fine
[07:19] <sulkd> mpq, can you afford another hdd ?
[07:19] <delltony> haven't tested all games
[07:19] <mpq> no
[07:19] <delltony> but once like deer hunter and all work fine
[07:19] <mpq> I'm broke
[07:19] <sulkd> ah been there..
[07:19] <zenrox> mine games are all installed nativly
[07:19] <sulkd> I have this 60 gig here.. would give it to you if you were in my area
[07:19] <mpq> where are you?
[07:19] <delltony> mpq: have you tried qemu?
[07:19] <sulkd> mpq, Iceland :]
[07:19] <mpq> heh
[07:19] <diego> i'm sorry to repost but if everyone else is going to be an ass and ignore me, i'll be an ass and keep asking:
[07:19] <diego> hi all. i know this SOUNDS stupid but it's what i'm experiencing and is 100% reproducible on my machine. any .pdf i upload becomes corrupt. checked this with attachments on gmail and hotmail. jpg attachment worked fine. i'm on hoary. would someone else be kind enough to see if it's just me? this is important to me as i got a 0 on an assignment i spent 5 hours doing yesterday because i couldn't print it.
[07:20] <mpq> I guess you'd be pretty sure that I'm not in the area
[07:20] <delltony> haha thats a sure way to get no help :)
[07:20] <ficusplanet> Hey, do the recent hoary kernels have inotify 0.18?
[07:20] <mpq> if you're in iceland
[07:20] <ficusplanet> (wanting to try the new beagle)
[07:20] <diego> delltony: wtf do you suggest i do?
[07:20] <mpq> I'd help but I don't have any .pdf files
[07:20] <sulkd> mpq, well.. 290k people here... 6 billion in the world...
[07:20] <delltony> just be patient and don't call folks ass for one
[07:20] <mpq> lol
[07:21] <diego> mpq: use this one then http://www.authentica.com/index_files/products/white_papers/prwp_11_final.pdf (from google)
[07:21] <delltony> diego upload me a pdf i don't care
[07:21] <delltony> ill open it and see
[07:21] <mpq> wait... I have no place to upload
[07:22] <diego> i upload it, download it, and it's corrupt. i want to see if it's just me or if it's someone else
[07:22] <|QuaD|> i am getting sick of installing this on qemu.... i am going to definitely back up the image when i am done :)
[07:22] <sulkd> diego, how do you download it?
[07:22] <diego> mpq: no web-based e-mail account?
[07:22] <delltony> diego dcc it to me or whatever
[07:22] <diego> sulkd: using gmail for all this (and also tried with hotmail)
[07:22] <GregoryD> zip your file, unzip on other end
[07:22] <diego> GregoryD: the zipping worked for me...jpg's worked. but why does this happen?
[07:23] <sulkd> diego, bummer..
[07:23] <GregoryD> if it's only a pdf and no other binary, then you shouldn't have a problem ;)
[07:23] <delltony> i thought i read somethign about corruption in open office on the forums
[07:23] <delltony> but i think it was doc files though
[07:23] <diego> i can open the .pdf on my hard drive before sending fine
[07:23] <sulkd> diego, could be some ascii transfer mode shit.. but I kind of doubt it over HTTP
[07:23] <diego> i send it, and it only uploads a portion of the pdf
[07:23] <sulkd> oh
[07:24] <linux101> where do i run make menuconfig in ubuntu?
[07:24] <mpq> will non-root commands work in a root terminal?
[07:24] <delltony> diego you have a link?
[07:24] <delltony> or a file i can look at
[07:24] <OmniColos> hmm anyone using network-manager?
[07:25] <ficusplanet> OmniColos: I am.
[07:25] <diego> delltony:  hmm...i could e-mail it, /msg me if you wish
[07:25] <delltony> sure
[07:25] <delltony> one thing have you tried
[07:25] <hoary_> exit
[07:25] <delltony> tarball it
[07:25] <hoary_> exit
[07:25] <hoary_> exit
[07:25] <delltony> and then send so it doesn't get a potential mime conversion?
[07:25] <OmniColos> ficus it says I need network-tools to compile...
[07:26] <diego> delltony: well i've taken a look at the corrupt pdf and there appears to be no english in it
[07:26] <delltony> cause for example in a php instance if you upload a jpg with cough cough ie
[07:26] <delltony> its a pjpeg
[07:26] <delltony> instead of jpe
[07:26] <OmniColos> I'd use the package but it cant be found from the people.umbuntu.com entry suggested on the ubuntu page...
[07:27] <ficusplanet> OmniColos: Do you mean wireless-tools?
[07:27] <sulkd> linux101, uhm, if you want to build your own kernel you must download the sources, unarchive them, and then do it from the directory it expands to
[07:27] <randabis> crap crap crap
[07:27] <randabis> sudo broke
[07:27] <linux101> o right forgot about that rrrr
[07:27] <OmniColos> yeah... and synaptic says they are installed
[07:28] <sulkd> randabis, broke?
[07:28] <mpq> I have a problem
[07:28] <ficusplanet> OmniColos: Install libiw-dev.  You need to be using hoary to build the cvs, by the way.
[07:28] <mpq> the touchpad on my laptop is too sensitive
[07:29] <mpq> when I use a USB mouse it works fine
[07:29] <mpq> but the touchpad moves too fast
[07:29] <tux_> mpq, you can download and install the touchpad drivers
[07:29] <OmniColos> hoary?! <sigh>
[07:29] <tux_> to control it
[07:29] <sulkd> mpq, spend some time with it.. it will help your womanizing skill.. heh :]
[07:29] <mpq> ...
[07:29] <tux_> google for them
[07:29] <randabis> sulkd, yeah it won't let me sudo
[07:29] <mpq> it works
[07:29] <tux_> yea
[07:29] <tux_> mine too
[07:29] <mpq> but it's too sensitive
[07:29] <randabis> sudo must be setuid root
[07:29] <ficusplanet> OmniColos: It isn't too hard to get netapplet going in warty.  Do you want to try that?
[07:29] <mpq> the cursor moves too fast
[07:29] <tux_> but better control using those drivers
[07:30] <OmniColos> will network manager work at all with warty?
[07:30] <mpq> I don't know what to google for
[07:30] <ficusplanet> OmniColos: Not the newer cvs, no.  The last release probably would, though.
[07:30] <ficusplanet> 0.3.1, I think
[07:30] <tux_> mpq, it's a synaptics or alps touchpad
[07:30] <sulkd> randabis, hehe... then you have no choice but to put "init=/bin/bash" into your /boot/grub/menu.lst and reboot and change it..
[07:30] <OmniColos> I'll try it.  just seem to have trouble getting connected with the airport...
[07:30] <tux_> the package is on sourceforge.net
[07:31] <sulkd> randabis, just put it at the "kernel" line... then remove it when you're done fixing your system
[07:31] <ficusplanet> Oh, older airport or airport extreme?
[07:31] <tux_> google for touchpad drivers linux
[07:31] <OmniColos> reg airport
[07:31] <sulkd> randabis, put it at the end of the line.. the parsing is slightly fubar
[07:31] <randabis> hmm ok
[07:31] <OmniColos> orinoco
[07:31] <ficusplanet> cool
[07:31] <sulkd> randabis, and no quotes
[07:31] <tux_> OmniColos, good card
[07:32] <sulkd> randabis, just something like kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-3-k7 root=/dev/sda2 ro quiet splash init=/bin/bash
[07:32] <OmniColos> i think the network I connect to does not broadcast its presence :P
[07:32] <ficusplanet> OmniColos: OK.  Do you have the essid?
[07:32] <OmniColos> tahnx tux, I guess I lucked out?!
[07:33] <sulkd> randabis, or wait... selecting that "recovery mode" thing at boot might also work, I guess
[07:33] <OmniColos> I think so... I wont be able to test till tomorrow tho
[07:33] <randabis> just one problem...lol can't edit menu.lst with no root haha...I'll have to edit it at boot
[07:33] <randabis> brb
[07:33] <poningru> can someone connect to irc.mozilla.org ?
[07:33] <poningru> I cant connect
[07:33] <sulkd> randabis, try the recovery mode
[07:33] <ficusplanet> OmniColos: OK, you can run "sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid yournetwork" where wlan0 is your wireless card
[07:34] <poningru> anyone?
[07:34] <poningru> no ok
[07:34] <poningru> thnx guys
[07:34] <Jeremy_D> hello all :D
[07:34] <OmniColos> I think wlan0 would be "airport" no?
[07:34] <tux_> welcome Jeremy_D
[07:34] <mpq> I found a solution
[07:35] <ficusplanet> OmniColos: No.  Run iwconfig and see which interface has wireless extensions.
[07:35] <tux_> cool
[07:35] <mpq> I put the mouse on top of the keyboard
[07:35] <OmniColos> ok
[07:35] <Jeremy_D> does anyone know where i can find some nice themes for unbuntu?
[07:35] <mpq> since it's an optical mouse it still works
[07:35] <tux_> lol
[07:35] <tux_> that is funny
[07:35] <mpq> and the keyboard is flat because it's a laptop
[07:36] <OmniColos> ah ok :D
[07:36] <OmniColos> eth1 :D
[07:37] <sulkd> mpq, if it were me and budget were tight, I'd sell the laptop and assemble a decent desktop system.. everything is mad cheap now, especially stuff that used to be expensive like CRTs.. all the plebeians are buying LCDs these days
[07:37] <tux_> yea, ifconfig -a is your friend
[07:37] <mpq> I can't exactly sell the laptop
[07:37] <mpq> my mom got it for me so I could take it to school when I start taking classes again
[07:37] <tux_> lol
[07:38] <sulkd> mpq, ah
[07:38] <helquist> is there anyone in here?
[07:38] <tux_> helquist, lol, yes
[07:38] <mpq> once I get more money I'm getting a decent desktop for games
[07:38] <sulkd> randabis, everything ok again?
[07:38] <OmniColos> ok ficus I'll give that a try :D
[07:38] <ficusplanet> OmniColos: That will assign the essid.  If there is wep, let me know.  Otherwise, just run "sudo dhclient eth1"
[07:38] <helquist> I just upgraded to hoary and now I don't have any sound
[07:38] <randabis> sulkd, no lol
[07:38] <sulkd> IamJacksUsername, lol.. nice nickname
[07:38] <randabis> I'm not sure how to fix it lol
[07:38] <helquist> I have an abit nforce2 motherboard
[07:39] <sulkd> randabis, did you try hitting escape just before boot and selecting "recovery mode" ?
[07:39] <IamJacksUsername> I'm not allowed to talk about it sulkd
[07:39] <randabis> I just did init=/bin/bash
[07:39] <helquist> what modules do I need to play sound.  I think the onboard sound uses the alsa driver
[07:39] <randabis> I was able to get root that way, but I don't know how to fix sudo heh
[07:39] <sulkd> IamJacksUsername, heheh.. his name was Robert Johnson..
[07:40] <randabis> lol I should have re-enabled root while I was at it
[07:40] <OmniColos> network authentication is WPA
[07:40] <OmniColos> data encryption is TKIP
[07:41] <OmniColos> EAP method is TTLS
[07:41] <randabis> this was my own fault I admit
[07:41] <OmniColos> Tunnel Auth Protocol is PAP
[07:41] <randabis> I stupidly did chmod 777 /usr
[07:41] <randabis> haha
[07:41] <OmniColos> I hope those are supported?!
[07:41] <IamJacksUsername> I'm trying to access a suse harddisk with the Ubuntu array 3.5 live CD. Someone told me to look with "cat /proc/mounts" (because the mount said already mounted or dir busy). What should I look for in the cat output to find here hda1 is?
[07:42] <Dreamer3> ok, who is working on the xfce page?
[07:42] <lucid> just installed ubuntu in vmware, think I'll be dumping stupid, slow, ugly winxp for this beautiful linux distro ;]
[07:42] <Mr_Smiley> nice
[07:42] <IamJacksUsername> here>where
[07:42] <OmniColos> ficus thank you for your help, wish me luck :D
[07:42] <ficusplanet> OmniColos: They're supported, but I've never used them.  :/  I know NetworkManager is going to support them soon, too.
[07:42] <Dreamer3> lucid: why'd you install it in vmware?
[07:42] <ficusplanet> OmniColos: Good luck.
[07:42] <Dreamer3> lucid: you should be running linux in vmware until ubuntu
[07:43] <Dreamer3> lucid: windows xp i mean under linux
[07:43] <Dreamer3> *under
[07:43] <|QuaD|> how do i view installed packages... dpkg -l right?
[07:43] <OmniColos> are you using ppc too ficus?
[07:43] <Dreamer3> |QuaD|: yeah
[07:43] <|QuaD|> it is giving me uninstalled packages too :(
[07:43] <ficusplanet> OmniColos: No.  I'm on a Dell, unfortunately.
[07:43] <ficusplanet> OmniColos: But NetworkManager rocks.
[07:43] <Jeremy_D> i am downloading theme files, how do i install them, i have tried to use the theme installer, but it doesnt seem to be working
[07:44] <|QuaD|> dpkg -l is showing me all packages
[07:44] <Jeremy_D> i am trying to install it by clicking on the XML file, but that doesnt work, theres nothing else to use to install it
[07:44] <lucid> well, I've been a windows user forever
[07:44] <mpq> I've been a windows user until less than two weeks ago
[07:44] <Jeremy_D> why mpq?
[07:44] <lucid> i dabble with linux now and again being a web developer
[07:45] <lucid> but that's about it
[07:45] <Jeremy_D> yeah me as well
[07:45] <mpq> why? Because I installed ubuntu?
[07:45] <OmniColos> I was gonna ask a 1394 question... I got raw1394 running with the mknod hack but it is very sluggish getting dv
[07:45] <Jeremy_D> same with me lucid, its not my main system, but i play with it
[07:45] <mpq> I could do away with it entirely if my sister wasn't addicted to a pc game
[07:45] <OmniColos> and the output is unreadable
[07:45] <DeepSpaceAnt> heydude, 1/2 the time when im away from my comp and i come back, i come back to see that my comp is frozen, what logs do i see to find out whats causing the freezing?
[07:46] <OmniColos> why do you say unfortunately dell?
[07:46] <mpq> doesn't dell suck almost as much as windows?
[07:46] <qlo-xael> Hello, i JUST installed ubuntu, very interesting
[07:46] <ficusplanet> OmniColos: It's just bulky, ugly, and loud.
[07:46] <mpq> linux is neat
[07:46] <_LC_> hi all
[07:46] <lucid> i love the default theme
[07:47] <mpq> a lot faster than the resource hog that is windoze
[07:47] <jesuel> OoOo,
[07:47] <Jeremy_D> i love kde's default theme
[07:47] <DeepSpaceAnt> heydude, 1/2 the time when im away from my comp and i come back, i come back to see that my comp is frozen, what logs do i see to find out whats causing the freezing?
[07:47] <OmniColos> welll it seems linux perks up any machine :D
[07:47] <Jeremy_D> much more customization
[07:47] <lucid> my friend has been pimping ubuntu for ages, finally got a CD off him
[07:47] <qlo-xael> i have a question and a problem, my question is can i get back to real console mode?
[07:47] <mpq> once I can get my old computer to turn on, I'm going to install ubuntu on it
[07:47] <OmniColos> I'm just happy I dont need osx
[07:47] <qlo-xael> i cant seem to get out of X
[07:47] <lucid> OmniColos, you're running it on ppc?
[07:47] <snowblink> qlo-xael: CTRL+ALT+F1
[07:48] <Jeremy_D> os x is awesome :)
[07:48] <OmniColos> yeah on an ibook 700mhz
[07:48] <Jeremy_D> i am a windows, linux, os x user :)
[07:48] <qlo-xael> thanks, second, when i installed it, i dont remember ubuntu asking for a root password
[07:48] <Jeremy_D> same with some distributions of linux
[07:48] <OmniColos> awsome OSX may be but I am not at home on it
[07:48] <snowblink> qlo-xael: root is locked.  Have installed & re-installed quite a few times - whenever I reboot, the machine hangs on the "GRUB loading, please wait..." msg?
[07:49] <ficusplanet> OmniColos: So ubuntu seems to work well on that iBook?  How about suspend and such?  I ask because I have a friend with the same machine.
[07:49] <lucid> can i kill -9 gnome?
[07:49] <Jeremy_D> wow this is a bit hectic, there needs to be different rooms for all this lol
[07:49] <DeepSpaceAnt> heydude, 1/2 the time when im away from my comp and i come back, i come back to see that my comp is frozen, what logs do i see to find out whats causing the freezing?
[07:49] <OmniColos> suspend is wierd... I am still playing with it... and I think I messed up installing powerfrefs :D
[07:49] <ficusplanet> lucid: Just do ctrl+alt+f3 and then telinit 3 to kill x
[07:49] <qlo-xael> smashing
[07:50] <OmniColos> disk IO seems sluggish it take like 15min to copy a cd to hd
[07:50] <OmniColos> but q2 runs fullscreen about 60fps
[07:50] <ficusplanet> OmniColos: Hmmm ... you might have udma disabled.
[07:51] <OmniColos> I think so too
[07:51] <OmniColos> like disk operations hog the cpu
[07:51] <ficusplanet> OmniColos: sudo hdparm -i /dev/hda
[07:51] <mpq> I've been running folding@home near constantly
[07:51] <mpq> and my computer still runs well
[07:51] <mpq> linux is neat
[07:52] <OmniColos> brb, lemme switch machines...
[07:52] <Jeremy_D> i like the whole atmosphere of the ubuntu users
[07:52] <Jeremy_D> its not like other distros of other users...
[07:53] <OmniColos> hmm says udma2 mode active
[07:53] <ficusplanet> Jeremy_D: Yeah, the community is great.  And it's growing and getting more involved all the time.
[07:54] <ficusplanet> OmniColos: Try the same command on /dev/hdc
[07:54] <ficusplanet> (that should be your cdrom)
[07:54] <Jeremy_D> ficusplanet, I heard that unbuntu is fairly new...
[07:54] <ficusplanet> Jeremy_D: Yes, the first official release was in october of last year.
[07:54] <_LC_> Can anyone help me with an installation problem? Have installed & re-installed quite a few times - whenever I reboot, the machine hangs on the "GRUB loading, please wait..." msg?
[07:55] <Jeremy_D> ficusplanet, wow it's doing pretty good then, i would say.
[07:55] <OmniColos> mdma2 active on CDROM
[07:55] <ficusplanet> Jeremy_D: Yeah.  It's obviously filling a big need because all kinds of people are flocking to it.
[07:55] <OmniColos> no UDMA
[07:55] <Jeremy_D> ficusplanet, I mean it makes me feel much more comfortable with linux, knowing that there is help and a bit of thought put into the ease of use.
[07:56] <heydude> why does deep space ant keep saying
[07:56] <heydude> heydude, 1/2 the time when im away from my comp...
[07:56] <OC_Linux> <--omnicolos on ibook
[07:57] <Jeremy_D> ficusplanet, i have played with linux for almost two years and in that time, never got anything installed. now i know my way around computers i have 9 years excperience and im a IT graduate.
[07:57] <OmniColos> I love ubuntu :D
[07:57] <Jeremy_D> ficusplanet, ubuntu was the first linux disto i was able to actually install something
[07:57] <OmniColos> I am migrating from xp/2k
[07:58] <Jeremy_D> xp --> 2k why?
[07:58] <ficusplanet> Jeremy_D: Awesome.  Congratulations.  Things should be getting much easier in the next releases.  The first was actually somewhat rushed because they needed to organize their development team.
[07:58] <OC_Linux> no from xp/2k --->> linux :D
[07:58] <izo> r/cl
[07:58] <Jeremy_D> oh! :P
[07:59] <Jeremy_D> ficusplanet, well i love seeing whats new and using the latest technology, its great!
[07:59] <Jeremy_D> ficusplanet, i started out with mandrake 9 and when they did the big switch to 10 it was really exciting.
[07:59] <myzt1qu3> hello
[08:00] <myzt1qu3> i want help with "Ubuntu" system installation
[08:00] <qlo-xael> how generally successful is a new kernel install in ubuntu?
[08:00] <OC_Linux> if ubuntu recognizes the 3c940 on my p4 box I'll be very happy
[08:00] <qlo-xael> i mean is it easy
[08:00] <snowblink> qlo-xael: are you building or using apt?
[08:00] <mpq> ubuntu was the first one I successfully ran
[08:00] <da_bon_bon> why doesnt hoary update to OOo 1.1.4 ?
[08:00] <myzt1qu3> hello????
[08:01] <mpq> I tried using knoppix but I didn't know how to burn an image
[08:01] <da_bon_bon> myzt1qu3: what help ?
[08:01] <myzt1qu3> i cannot even startx
[08:01] <qlo-xael> i just compiled 2.6.10 for slackware not too long ago and it seemed to work fine, only my man pages broke
[08:01] <qlo-xael> now i'm considering compiling in ubuntu, just curious how reliable
[08:01] <qlo-xael> maybe i shoudl try aptget or dselect?
[08:02] <OC_Linux> I was not able to comlplete the gentoo install and I had the mandrake boot problem on this ibook...
[08:02] <stuNNed> is gamin fubared when it comes to NFS?
[08:02] <snowblink> qlo-xael: thought you may be refering to the latest security updated kernel
[08:02] <OC_Linux> so I tried Gnoppix live and that worked great, found out it was based on Ubuntu, so that was my next stop
[08:03] <OC_Linux> and it installed like melted butter on toast
[08:03] <OC_Linux> synaptic is incredible...
[08:04] <ficusplanet> OC_Linux: Yeah, it is much improved in hoary, too.
[08:05] <OC_Linux> I'm still apprehensive about upgrading to hoary...
[08:05] <zenrox> not me
[08:05] <crimsun_> if you dist-upgrade to hoary _right now_, it's safe
[08:05] <zenrox> yep
[08:05] <ficusplanet> Eh, the preview release release is march 9th.  If you're apprehensive, just wait till then.
[08:05] <crimsun_> the inotify and abi breakage was reverted, so you're safe
[08:06] <OC_Linux> I'm still looking for something like "Ghost" for linux that save partitions
[08:07] <Jeremy_D> can someone help me with installing a theme
[08:07] <OC_Linux> before I upgrade
[08:07] <Jeremy_D> i am wanting this theme http://art.gnome.org/themes/gtk2/712/
[08:08] <da_bon_bon> anyone here using openoffice.org2 ?
[08:08] <randabis> okay I've got root back...now to fix sudo
[08:09] <DeepSpaceAnt> 1/2 the time when im away from my comp and i come back, i come back to see that my comp is frozen, what logs do i see to find out whats causing the freezing?
[08:09] <snowblink> Jeremy_D: http://art.gnome.org/faq.php
[08:09] <snowblink> DeepSpaceAnt: maybe check your logs
[08:09] <da_bon_bon> DeepSpaceAnt: maybe the screensaver
[08:09] <snowblink> DeepSpaceAnt: /var/log/*
[08:09] <OC_Linux> J its easy: open the theme app from the desktop menu
[08:10] <arbeck> I just did an apt-get of gnome-devel, and I want to run glade.  gnome-devel installs glade-gnome-2, do i need to apt-get glade as well?  If not what is the command to run it, since it didn't create a menu item
[08:10] <OC_Linux> then you can grag the file link from the browser to the listed thems themes
[08:10] <qlo-xael> what X configuration file does ubuntu use?
[08:10] <Jeremy_D> thank you ill try
[08:10] <Jeremy_D> thanks a lot
[08:10] <snowblink> qlo-xael: xorg or xfree?
[08:10] <OC_Linux> damn cool
[08:10] <qlo-xael> which is default?
[08:10] <snowblink> qlo-xael: are you on warty or hoary?
[08:11] <qlo-xael> warty
[08:11] <da_bon_bon> qlo-xael: /etc/X11/XF86config-4
[08:11] <snowblink> qlo-xael: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[08:12] <_LC_> Can anyone help me with an installation problem? Have installed & re-installed quite a few times - whenever I reboot, the machine hangs on the "GRUB loading, please wait..." msg?
[08:12] <qlo-xael> thanks
[08:13] <OC_Linux> D hmm actually it did not work... I got too excited..
[08:13] <arbeck> never mind, it's glade-2
[08:14] <randabis> alright, everything is gravy now
[08:14] <crimsun_> DeepSpaceAnt: are you running Hoary?
[08:14] <DeepSpaceAnt> heydude, 1/2 the time when im away from my comp and i come back, i come back to see that my comp is frozen, what logs do i see to find outyes
[08:14] <DeepSpaceAnt> ye
[08:14] <DeepSpaceAnt> syes
[08:14] <DeepSpaceAnt> crc, opps yes lol
[08:14] <crimsun_> DeepSpaceAnt: COLUMNS=120 dpkg -l linux-image-$(uname -r)|grep ^ii|awk '{print $3}'
[08:15] <DeepSpaceAnt> crimsun, 2.6.10-19
[08:15] <da_bon_bon> DeepSpaceAnt: latest, huh :)
[08:15] <DeepSpaceAnt> da_bon_bon, :)
[08:16] <crimsun_> DeepSpaceAnt: are you actually _running_ -19, though, or have you not rebooted since you last updated && upgraded?
[08:16] <DeepSpaceAnt> da_bon_bon, my hardware is barely supported, the newer the software the better its supported :)
[08:16] <GregoryD> where are the iptables rules stored in ubuntu?
[08:16] <da_bon_bon> crimsun_: mustnt it be && dist-upgraded ?
[08:16] <arbeck> has anyone here installed eclipse?
[08:16] <crimsun_> DeepSpaceAnt: frequent lockups (hard hangs) are a symptom of -17
[08:16] <DeepSpaceAnt> crimsun, i just rebooted, remember i crash like every time i go get something  lol
[08:17] <GregoryD> what's there to install with eclipse?  download, unzip, and go
[08:17] <arbeck> GregoryD: this is true... I was just wondering what is a logical place to put it besides my home directory
[08:17] <crimsun_> GregoryD: depends on the tool you use. If you use vanilla iptables, in /var/lib/iptables/
[08:17] <da_bon_bon> can hoary's grub use splash images ?
[08:18] <crimsun_> GregoryD: that presumes that you've read the instructions and have saved "inactive" and "active" rulesets
[08:18] <DeepSpaceAnt> da_bon_bon, Usplash was delayed to post-hoary i think
[08:18] <da_bon_bon> DeepSpaceAnt: usplash is different
[08:18] <crimsun_> DeepSpaceAnt: check /var/log/syslog* for kernel oops/panic messages
[08:18] <DeepSpaceAnt> da_bon_bon, i know:)
[08:19] <snowblink> arbeck: /opt ?
[08:19] <da_bon_bon> DeepSpaceAnt: btw, what is usplash ?
[08:19] <GregoryD> crimsun: I just know that I apparently have rules, because I can do an iptables -L and get em, but I haven't found the actual file that contains them
[08:19] <myzt1qu3> hello
[08:19] <da_bon_bon> myzt1qu3: what happened ?
[08:19] <arbeck> snowblink: sounds good... i don't actually have anything in there yet
[08:19] <crimsun_> GregoryD: those are stored in memory.
[08:20] <snowblink> arbeck: man hier
[08:20] <crimsun_> GregoryD: are you using vanilla iptables or another tool like firestarter, shorewall, etc.?
[08:20] <GregoryD> they're automatically generated?
[08:20] <DeepSpaceAnt> crimsun_, nop, nothing about a panic
[08:20] <GregoryD> vanilla iptables... haven't touched anything yert
[08:20] <DeepSpaceAnt> :(
[08:20] <crimsun_> GregoryD: /var/lib/iptables/  then
[08:21] <da_bon_bon> brb. need to reboot after an update.
[08:21] <GregoryD> all I really want to do is open port 113 for identd when I connect to irc servers that need it
[08:21] <crimsun_> DeepSpaceAnt: what is happening immediately preceding the hard lockup?
[08:21] <crimsun_> GregoryD: by default Ubuntu doesn't configure any iptables rulesets
[08:21] <DeepSpaceAnt> screensaver i suppose, since thats the last thing on the screen
[08:23] <crimsun_> DeepSpaceAnt: are you using binary-only graphics drivers?
[08:23] <DeepSpaceAnt> crimsun_, yup, ati 9700 pro fglrx
[08:23] <DeepSpaceAnt> crimsun_, damn, them:(
[08:24] <crimsun_> DeepSpaceAnt: try disabling the screensaver via System>Preferences>Screensaver>Display Modes>Mode>Disable Screen Saver
[08:25] <DeepSpaceAnt> k
[08:25] <crimsun_> (err, he didn't need to quit for that setting adjustment)
[08:26] <myzt1qu3> haha
[08:26] <myzt1qu3> he'll be back for sure
[08:26] <myzt1qu3> or maybe he was booted to another OS
[08:26] <myzt1qu3> :)
[08:27] <raph_> salut
[08:27] <da_bon_bon> anyone on hoary experiences this -  on right click to panel and "Add to Panel" it crashes ?
[08:27] <hikaru79> I'm on hoary, da_bon_bon and it didn't happen to me
[08:28] <hikaru79> I just tried it
[08:28] <raph_> ich bin franzsich
[08:28] <hikaru79> Quick question, everyone
[08:28] <da_bon_bon> hikaru79: latest updates ?
[08:28] <raph_> i am french
[08:28] <hikaru79> If I use the NVidia binary drivers, and I installed them succesfully, and afterwards I updated my kernel completely (from 386 to 686), do I need to reinstall the binary drivers or is it smart enough to still work despite the new linux-686?
[08:28] <hikaru79> da_bon_bon, of course +)
[08:29] <hikaru79> *=)
[08:29] <da_bon_bon> raph_: #ubuntu-fr
[08:29] <myzt1qu3> how do i configure xfree86 for my graphics card(nvidia geforce fx 5200)????
[08:30] <raph_> thank tou
[08:30] <crimsun_> hikaru79: presuming you used a Ubuntu-compiled kernel, you need to install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[08:30] <crimsun_> myzt1qu3: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:30] <da_bon_bon> anyone know why "Add to Panel" on hoary crashes ?
[08:31] <da_bon_bon> i filed a bug report and will put some debug stuff there.
[08:31] <da_bon_bon> any suggestion meanwhile, coz it seems it happens only to me.
[08:31] <chado> ok why does /var/log/messages show this
[08:31] <chado> localhost -- MARK --
[08:31] <hikaru79> crimsun, asuming I upgraded the restricted-modules too
[08:32] <hikaru79> I've got everything related to the kernel upgrade
[08:32] <hikaru79> *d
[08:32] <hikaru79> But do I need to reinstall the actual 'glx' package?
[08:32] <crimsun_> chado: because nothing was added to it
[08:32] <crimsun_> chado: it's normal.
[08:32] <mpq> erg
[08:32] <chado> why spam that though?
[08:32] <mpq> the screen lock password screen is ugly in hoary
[08:33] <crimsun_> hikaru79: no need to reinstall 'nvidia-glx'
[08:33] <hikaru79> crimsun, OK, thank you =)
[08:33] <da_bon_bon> mpq: its ur user password
[08:33] <chado> anyone know where i can uncomment a line that excludes that?
[08:33] <mpq> I know
[08:33] <crimsun_> chado: it's not spam. It's an indicator that syslog is functioning normally but nothing was filtered into that log file.
[08:33] <mpq> I just said that it looks ugly compared to warty
[08:33] <hikaru79> Well, good night, #ubuntu
[08:33] <hikaru79> See you all in the mornin' =)
[08:34] <da_bon_bon> mpq: oh ugly..
[08:34] <chado> crimsun_ my question is, how can i change that output
[08:35] <chado> i have scripts to read messages, and i dont need to see that spam at the last lines
[08:36] <snowblink> chado: you could always script to ignore that line...
[08:36] <crimsun_> chado: the smart method is as snowblink suggested.
[08:36] <da_bon_bon> how do i confirm whether udev is running on hoary ?
[08:37] <chado> why does that aritrary line have to be logged
[08:37] <chado> arbitrary rather
[08:37] <snowblink> chado: so you know it's running
[08:37] <crimsun_> chado: but if you insist, read the syslog.conf (or syslog-ng.conf) man page for filtering options
[08:37] <crimsun_> chado: it is not arbitrary, as I've stated twice now. :)
[08:37] <chado> thanks
[08:37] <kakalto> holey cow
[08:37] <kakalto> I didn't realise how different sound is on windows, from linux
[08:37] <snowblink> kakalto: apt-get moo
[08:37] <chado> as a second question, does debian do that as well by default?
[08:37] <kakalto> it's so crap!
[08:37] <kakalto> snowblink :D
[08:38] <crimsun_> chado: afair, yes.
[08:38] <kakalto> this music is so clear!!
[08:38] <zenrox> yep
[08:38] <da_bon_bon> can some go here and help me ? http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=167478 i filed the report
[08:38] <chado> thanks guys
[08:39] <OmniColos> heh "Expected Results:
[08:39] <OmniColos> Must'nt Crash"
[08:40] <OmniColos> nite nite all
[08:40] <da_bon_bon> where is the universal xine config, not the user-specific one
[08:40] <da_bon_bon> OmniColos: :)
[08:41] <OmniColos> thanks again, for the help :D
[08:42] <Xirdneh> hi there, can anyone tell me how i can fix the problem when kernel cant assign an IRQ to a specific device (wireless card)
[08:45] <crimsun_> Xirdneh: if it's a laptop, my suggestion is to look on the wiki/forum
[08:45] <crimsun_> there are quite a few quirks listed by manufacturer & model
[08:45] <pocket> ?
[08:46] <tezza> crimsun, that MARK in /var/log/messages - i can't find anything in man syslog.conf or /etc/syslog.conf about taking that out?
[08:46] <crimsun_> tezza: (you're not supposed to remove it. It's a _good_ thing.)
[08:47] <crimsun_> tezza: (e.g., a "heartbeat")
[08:47] <tezza> fair enough ;oP not much to log on this system anyway - just a lot of mark's ;oP
[08:50] <kakalto> does anyone know what the visualboy advance package is called under hoary?
[08:53] <bosewicht> ok, anyone here know anything about httpd.conf?
[08:54] <HcE> httpd.conf, you're running apache 1.x ?
[08:55] <bosewicht> this is prob #15 asking this question here nobody answers..i've searched everywhere and haven't found an answer..... my /username/public_html will not work
[08:55] <bosewicht> yeah apache 1.x
[08:55] <bosewicht> i've tried everything..but for some reason it won't allow me to serve pages from that dir
[08:56] <HcE> bosewicht: what char do you use as public_html module thingy
[08:57] <HcE> ~ is the default
[08:57] <HcE> ie: /~<username>
[08:57] <bosewicht> yeah, the user is web  so it would be /home/web/public_html then for the addie it's messak.net/~web
[08:57] <HcE> bosewicht: and are your /home/<username> and /home/<username>/public_html chmod a+x ?
[08:58] <HcE> if not, apache can't get into your dir
[08:59] <HcE> bosewicht: and you have enabled the UserDir?
[09:01] <bosewicht> yeah, i enabled it...i also tried changing my root dir to public_html...but i kept getting a error..i had it working before but i switched my server over to ubuntu and didn't save my old httpd.conf
[09:03] <HcE> what does the server say in error.log?
[09:14] <calamari> glade2 = a+
[09:25] <rvirani> how do I install monodevelop on ubuntu?
[09:26] <mpq> I'm not getting any sound in flash files
[09:27] <mpq> how do I remove the old version of firefox from my computer?
[09:29] <MorphDK> hey.. how do I install KDE in hoary? i added the universe repository in synaptic, but it tells me that most of the packages will not be installed :(
[09:30] <randabis> try kde-core first
[09:30] <randabis> sudo apt-get install kde-core
[09:30] <Tsjoklat> MorphDK, you should check out the wiki for kubuntu
[09:31] <MorphDK> randabis, i can't..
[09:32] <MorphDK> arts, kdebase and kdelibs depends, but will not be installed..
[09:33] <MorphDK> randabis, you there?
[09:34] <MorphDK> :'(
[09:35] <MorphDK> dang.. thx for helping
[09:43] <ryan_> is there an uptime script thing in x-chat ?
[09:47] <tweek> hello :)
[09:48] <tweek> i get this error when trying to install KDE,
[09:48] <tweek>  Depends: kde-amusements but it is not going to be installed
[09:48] <tweek>  Depends: kdeaddons but it is not going to be installed
[09:48] <tweek>  Depends: kdemultimedia but it is not going to be installed
[10:02] <MorphDK> need help with the installation of KDE on Hoary.. :(
[10:05] <MorphDK> anybody?
[10:05] <MorphDK> i added the hoary KDE repository to synaptic, but it is still missing a lot of dependencies
[10:07] <Mr_Smiley> sorry i'm a gnome person
[10:08] <randabis-laptop> KDE repository?
[10:08] <zenrox> me too
[10:08] <sid77> hi
[10:08] <Mr_Smiley> well you'd think most ubuntu users would be gnome users :)
[10:08] <randabis-laptop> you ARE doing apt-get update after changing sources.list correct?
[10:09] <randabis-laptop> xfce user here, though I dabble with gnome sometimes
[10:09] <Mr_Smiley> yeah well xfce is sorta gnome :P
[10:10] <Mr_Smiley> but not really
[10:10] <MorphDK> yes
[10:10] <sid77> I've just upgraded warty kernel, but there is no sign of linux-restricted-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>-5... are they on the way?
[10:10] <randabis-laptop> I like more speed, less bloat
[10:10] <Mr_Smiley> haha yeah
[10:10] <MorphDK> randabis-laptop, yes i do
[10:10] <Mr_Smiley> my computer can handle gnome fine enough though
[10:10] <MorphDK> randabis-laptop, and it IS able to find some kde packages now, but still not enough
[10:11] <reed_> how do I install a theme?
[10:11] <reed_> I downloaded the gtk2 theme milk 2.1
[10:12] <randabis-laptop> MorphDK, post your /etc/apt/sources.list at pastebin.com
[10:12] <reed_> the index.theme file says not a valid theme format
[10:12] <randabis-laptop> and link me
[10:12] <randabis-laptop> reed_, use gnome-theme-manager
[10:13] <reed_> is it not the same as Preferences-->Themes?
[10:13] <MorphDK> randabis-laptop, there you go!
[10:13] <randabis-laptop> link
[10:13] <MorphDK> http://pastebin.com/242437
[10:14] <reed_> it is, and that's what I have been using
[10:14] <randabis-laptop> I already know what's wrong
[10:14] <reed_> it says file format not valid when i try to install milk
[10:14] <randabis-laptop> ALL of your sources are commented
[10:14] <MorphDK> randabis-laptop, nice.. what?
[10:14] <randabis-laptop> uncomment all of the deb deb-src lines
[10:15] <randabis-laptop> you do that by removing the # from them
[10:15] <randabis-laptop> then save, run apt-get update
[10:15] <MorphDK> oh.. my bad
[10:16] <MorphDK> damn.. there are still unmet dependencies
[10:17] <randabis-laptop> you ran apt-get update?
[10:17] <MorphDK> yep
[10:17] <MorphDK> and it succeded..
[10:17] <randabis-laptop> paste the new sources.list
[10:17] <randabis-laptop> at pastebin
[10:17] <MorphDK> oh.. hang on..
[10:17] <MorphDK> i missed a line
[10:18] <randabis-laptop> make sure all of them are uncommented
[10:19] <MorphDK> yep.. i forgot the lines in the middle of the file.. now it works :)
[10:19] <reed_> so what kind of theme does gnome-theme-manager need?
[10:20] <MorphDK> installing.. thank you randabis-laptop
[10:20] <randabis-laptop> there ya go
[10:20] <randabis-laptop> not a problem
[10:20] <reed_> i can't get this downloaded Milk2.1 to work
[10:20] <reed_> does it use gtk2 themes?
[10:20] <randabis-laptop> yes it uses gtk2 themes
[10:20] <reed_> or metacity files?
[10:21] <reed_> which file do i need to install to get it to work?
[10:21] <randabis-laptop> you could try the install theme thing on the compressed tarball of the theme if you still have it
[10:21] <reed_> i've tried installing the index.theme file, the gtk-2 folder, other files, none of them worked
[10:21] <reed_> oh
[10:22] <randabis-laptop> another way to is put the theme folder into .themes
[10:22] <randabis-laptop> a hidden folder
[10:23] <reed_> cool that worked
[10:23] <reed_> thanks a lot!
[10:23] <randabis-laptop> np
[10:27] <membreya> hey all
[10:28] <Okys> hey
[10:30] <randabis-laptop> hello
[10:36] <AndyFitz> got my first ubuntu kernel panic today
[10:37] <AndyFitz> aiee
[10:37] <randabis-laptop> ouch
[10:39] <daleboRt> Running warty, firefox won't print to my printers. Only to the postscript printer. Openoffice recognises it, though.
[10:41] <scizzo> y0
[10:50] <aleitner> anybody else sees weird behavior with quoted text when replying to a message in evolution (hoary)?
[10:50] <daleboRt> Running warty, firefox won't print to my printers. Only to the postscript printer. Openoffice recognises it, though. Any ideas?
[10:50] <scizzo> aleitner: yes
[10:51] <scizzo> aleitner: you mean that the editing is weird? inline and stuff like that?
[10:51] <spiral> hi
[10:51] <aleitner> scizzo: yes, the quotation marks ('>') seem to magically stick. you cannot move them by inserting a blank line
[10:52] <aleitner> scizzo: has a bug report been filed already? do you know the reference number, or even a workaround?
[10:54] <scizzo> aleitner: I haven't actually had time to look for a bug about that
[10:55] <scizzo> :(
[10:55] <aleitner> i see
[10:55] <aleitner> have you found a workaround?
[10:58] <|QuaD|> anyone here running kubuntu (ie ubuntu with kde)
[10:59] <linuxboy> I read a review on hoary, and there was talk of an Ubuntu Update Manager. Is there one of those in warty?
[10:59] <|QuaD|> linuxboy: can i reccomend upgrading to hoary?
[11:00] <linuxboy> |QuaD|: I will. Im just waiting till its official. It is easy to upgrade from warty to hoary?
[11:00] <|QuaD|> linuxboy: yeah
[11:00] <|QuaD|> hoary is pretty stable now
[11:01] <linuxboy> |QuaD|: when hoary comes out, and i get the cd. How do I upgrade?
[11:01] <daleboRt> Anyone help me out with the command to start a print job in ubuntu?
[11:01] <|QuaD|> linuxboy: you don't need the cd
[11:01] <|QuaD|> can do it through the net :)
[11:01] <linuxboy> |QuaD|: i know. But I want to do it from the official cd. My net connection is slow.
[11:02] <|QuaD|> linuxboy: hmm, i amnot really to surehow you would go about doing that... i only know the net way :)
[11:02] <daleboRt> linuxboy, you'd add the cd as an apt repository, change your apt config to hoary, and do a dist-upgrade
[11:03] <aleitner> ok, gotta go. thanks scizzo
[11:03] <linuxboy> |QuaD|: how do you do it through the net?
[11:03] <|QuaD|> linuxboy: do you use synaptic or apt-get?
[11:04] <linuxboy> |QuaD|: both. How did you do it? like daleboRt described?
[11:04] <|QuaD|> linux... i modify my /etc/apt/sources.list (or something like that) file, change warty to hoary
[11:05] <daleboRt> Anyone help me out with the command to start a print job in ubuntu? using cups?
[11:05] <linuxboy> |QuaD|: then apt-get dist-upgrade?
[11:06] <|QuaD|> linuxboy: apt-get update
[11:06] <|QuaD|> then i do an apt-get upgrade
[11:07] <|QuaD|> though there are people for and against both
[11:07] <linuxboy> |QuaD|: and nothing broke?
[11:07] <daleboRt> linuxboy, the beauty of apt
[11:07] <|QuaD|> i have been running hoary for a while now (since like end of oct)
[11:07] <|QuaD|> but nothing has broke
[11:07] <|QuaD|> i don't think anything will break
[11:08] <linuxboy> i got some non-ubuntu packages (custom packages) will then be affected?
[11:08] <|QuaD|> linuxboy: hard to tell
[11:08] <linuxboy> :) Well come april... ill find out :)
[11:09] <|QuaD|> linuxboy: alright....
[11:09] <daleboRt> anyone tell me how to print a ps or pdf file on the coommand line?
[11:09] <daleboRt> or any way?
[11:09] <daleboRt> using cups?
[11:10] <daleboRt> cupsdoprint -P hpoffice
[11:10] <daleboRt> er..ahem
[11:25] <mpq> how do I play dvds?
[11:25] <tweek> put it in the cd tray
[11:26] <mpq> what program?
[11:26] <tweek> totem
[11:26] <tweek> is nice
[11:27] <mpq> Totem could not play 'dvd://'. Failed to find any supported stream in file "dvd://"
[11:27] <tweek> codecs are cool
[11:27] <mpq> it's a dvd... what kind of codec do I need?
[11:27] <tweek> sudo apt-get install xine
[11:27] <tweek> it comes with soem codecs
[11:33] <binks> anyone seen this error using sox
[11:33] <binks> sox: error while loading shared libraries: libmp3lame.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:34] <binks> i have lame installed
[11:34] <binks> sorry morning everyone how rude i am
[11:35] <linuxboy> binks: its afternoon :)
[11:35] <binks> not here it aint and v cold too
[11:35] <linuxboy> binks: here... hot :)
[11:35] <binks> just had to dice car for the wife
[11:35] <binks> lol ;)
[11:38] <larsrohdin> why are somethings "held back" when i run apt-get upgrade?
[11:39] <Pluk> cuz they have errors
[11:40] <larsrohdin> Pluk, so its, nothing i need to upgrade?
[11:40] <Pluk> nope
[11:40] <larsrohdin> Pluk, key thanks!
[11:40] <Pluk> thay will get fixed > new version > and next upgrade they will be upgraded too
[11:41] <Pluk> prolly only takes a day
[11:41] <larsrohdin> ok, in hoary you mean?
[11:41] <Pluk> hoary could take a little longer i think
[11:41] <Pluk> _could_
[11:42] <larsrohdin> no, i upgraded to hoary another day in about 40 mins... but it didn't work any good for me so im back in warty and waiting for the stable release
[11:43] <fsc> yeah, i noticed that xorg got held back in my upgrade to hoary...which is good from my perspective because i wasn't ready to take the plunge
[11:44] <larsrohdin> fsc, i want xorg bad! because im using ati-gfx card... cant get my tv-out woorking
[11:44] <fsc> i don't care about tv-out, but i have an ATI card too and i heard there were problems with ATI drivers
[11:44] <linuxboy> i thought a package held back during a upgrade is because theres a dependency that it needs. Thats why if you dist-upgrade it works
[11:44] <mjr> fsc, what ati card?
[11:45] <mjr> up to 9250 there are free drivers, less problems
[11:45] <fsc> mjr: 9600 mobile
[11:45] <mjr> righto
[11:45] <larsrohdin> fsc, yeah ati is a bit weird... im just waiting for my fortune to grow and thne im getting me a 6800 gt=)
[11:45] <fsc> this is a laptop and not an alienware so i have no choice in the matter
[11:46] <larsrohdin> fsc, aawww... too bad
[11:46] <Pluk> the xorg-ati driver is pretty good though, it even has clock throttling
[11:46] <fsc> not really.. i don't game in linux anyway and i'll just use xfree until things get better
[11:46] <Pluk> if you can live without 3d
[11:46] <fsc> yeah, that's a possiblity
[11:46] <binks> can anyone shed some light on netpbm make fail
[11:47] <binks> ../sysdeps/i386/elf/start.S:98: undefined reference to `main'
[11:47] <binks> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[11:47] <binks> make[2] : *** [thinkjettopbm]  Error 1
[11:47] <binks> make[2] : Leaving directory `/home/binks/netpbm-10.26/converter/pbm'
[11:47] <binks> make[1] : *** [pbm/all]  Error 2
[11:47] <binks> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/binks/netpbm-10.26/converter'
[11:47] <binks> make: *** [converter/all]  Error 2
[11:47] <larsrohdin> Pluk, yeah thats what ive heard to... so before i can afford a nvidia-card, im waiting for hoary and xorg
[11:47] <fsc> it's a linker error
[11:47] <binks> how do i fix it i v new to linux
[11:47] <fsc> binks, sounds like there is no main function
[11:48] <Pluk> i first had an ati 9800
[11:48] <binks> is that a prob with the netpbm d/l
[11:48] <binks> or my system
[11:48] <fsc> binks, no idea
[11:48] <binks> :)
[11:48] <Pluk> after 6 months went back to the store and asked if they would want o trad eit for an nvidia 5900xt
[11:48] <Pluk> i even got ?35 back
[11:49] <Pluk> i know the ati is better... in windows
[11:49] <Pluk> but i dont even have windows on that comp :)
[11:49] <Pluk> got also a 9600mobile in this laptop here
[11:50] <fsc> I play farcry in my windows partition with the 9600 mobile and it works great. what a beautiful game
[11:50] <binks> silly me netpbm already installed
[11:51] <binks> i am sooooooo stupid
[11:51] <Pluk> it even plays HL2 and doom3 ate decent speeds/qual
[11:51] <Pluk> at*
[11:51] <fsc> i deleted doom3
[11:52] <fsc> too freaking dark
[11:52] <larsrohdin> fsc, me too=) sucked=)
[11:52] <Pluk> scared the * out of me
[11:52] <Pluk> then againg im prolly a sissy
[11:52] <pepsi> ;)
[11:52] <fsc> farcry absolutely rocks with its vast, lush outdoor scenes
[11:53] <fsc> and vehicles
[11:53] <larsrohdin> Pluk, naaa... doom3 is scary, hell im scared of doom2=)
[11:53] <Pluk> hehe yeah
[11:53] <Pluk> i was hooked to doom2
[11:53] <binks> u need to play enemy-territory online its mint
[11:53] <Pluk> i played urban terror for ages
[11:53] <Moonglory> Hi guys
[11:53] <Moonglory> I really need help
[11:53] <Pluk> but now im more into mmorpg
[11:54] <larsrohdin> yeah, but i wasn't that old when i played doom2 so that scared the * out fo me=)
[11:54] <fsc> so how come ATI's drivers don't work with xorg?
[11:54] <Pluk> waiting for guildwars
[11:54] <larsrohdin> Moonglory, what can we do for you
[11:54] <fsc> is xorg any faster than xfree? is the only thing you get out of xorg transparency?
[11:55] <larsrohdin> does any of you run fluxbox?
[11:55] <fsc> larsrohdin, i have in the past
[11:55] <fsc> larsrohdin, on an old thinkpad 166
[11:55] <Tsjoklat> fsc, it does dishes too on a good day
[11:55] <larsrohdin> is there anyway to change the direction of the desktop wheeling?
[11:56] <larsrohdin> it feels so wrong
[11:56] <fsc> no idea
[11:56] <fsc> been a while
[11:56] <larsrohdin> fsc, darn=) ok ill have to keep looking
[11:56] <larsrohdin> not that is all that important, but you want to get the perfect feeling...
[11:57] <Pluk> hmm desktop wheeling in xfce4 is the wrong way too
[11:59] <larsrohdin> yeah, but im sure ive seen like a patch or something that can change it... but i don't know where
[12:00] <Nermal> is vmware in multiverse or universe ?
[12:00] <Nermal> I know you need a regkey
[12:00] <pepsi> you need to download it
[12:00] <pepsi> and run the setup program
[12:00] <Nermal> ah.. ook
[12:01] <Nermal> sorry.. coming from gentoo where it's in portage.. stricter licence rules for ubuntu it would seem
[12:01] <mjr> fsc, there are incremental improvements; eg. better 3d support for my 9250 ;)
[12:01] <pepsi> its pretty painless.. though you should follow the faq on the wiki for making it work after reboots without running vmware-config.pl again
[12:03] <pepsi> Nermal, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/VMware
[12:03] <Nermal> thankyou :)
[12:04] <sleeper> hay algun espaol por aqui?
[12:04] <sleeper> necesito ayuda con el abuntu por favor
[12:04] <binks> is cjpeg-mmx same as jpeg-mmx
[12:04] <sleeper> someone speak spanis?
[12:04] <P3L|C4N0> sleeper, #ubuntu-es
[12:05] <sleeper> thx
[12:05] <binks> just im trying to install mjpeg-tools
[12:06] <SCB> if u got a 50 mb /boot partition within the 1024 limit everything should work out fine?
[12:09] <sleeper> hola
[12:09] <bagan_jermal> does anyone know where could i found more information on ubuntu, where it compare with other distribution of linux?
[12:09] <sleeper>  necestito algo de ayuda porfavor
[12:11] <P3L|C4N0> sleeper, cual es tu problema?
[12:11] <fsc> ingles
[12:11] <romaia> bagan_jermal: try distrowatch.com/
[12:13] <Knuti> Just installed Linux,   im a noob.    Hotplug dont work. X dont work. And i cant get in online
[12:14] <Knuti> heeeeeeeeeelp meeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[12:14] <Knuti> sniffle
[12:14] <fsc> Knuti, what graphics card do you have?
[12:15] <Knuti> aeolus 6800,  nivida based gpu
[12:15] <Knuti> im stuck on the dos-like window
[12:16] <fsc> well, you better work on networking first
[12:16] <fsc> so at least you can get online
[12:17] <fsc> Knuti, are you using wireless?
[12:20] <Knuti2> My inet craSHED
[12:20] <Knuti2> as  i said,  i have aeolus 6800, nvidia based gpu
[12:22] <bagan_jermal> romaia: thanks.
[12:23] <Knuti2> i need help :(
[12:27] <cef> amazing.. I got 186kB/sec out of the ubuntu archive from AU.. *grin*
[12:28] <cef> make that 388kB/sec
[12:29] <HiddenWolf> cef: stop it, you are making me jealous
[12:29] <cef> HiddenWolf: I'm just on cable..  I (and others as I noticed in ubuntulinux.org...) having problems installing on NewWorld Blue G3 Mac...Anyone knows the answer? http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-7452.html   Thanks!
[12:30] <cef> but I'm guessing it just means my cable provider has finally fixed the upstream bottleneck to the US/UK
[12:30] <HiddenWolf> cef: I could get 10mbit/10mbt here, but that'd cost 20 euro's more, so now I'm stuck on 512/256 :-)
[12:30] <Knuti2> Im stuck on 1024\512
[12:31] <cef> HiddenWolf: heh... how much is 512/256 itself? (for comparison)
[12:31] <Knuti2> someoen please help me..   Imma noob.  help the noobs :D :P
[12:32] <HiddenWolf> cef: 63kb / 30kb
[12:32] <cef> HiddenWolf: i mean euros *grin*
[12:32] <HiddenWolf> cef: 30. for 50, i get 20 times that speed. :-)
[12:33] <cef> HiddenWolf: damn that's a nice improvement for the cost
[12:33] <bonee> ne screenshots
[12:34] <HiddenWolf> cef: Yup, but unfortunatly, a bit out of budget.
[12:34] <muscibot> hi every1
[12:34] <muscibot> could any1 tell me how to stream video off the internet
[12:34] <muscibot> and save it onto r comp
[12:35] <cef> HiddenWolf: heh. that 512/256 is about what we pay here for 256/64
[12:35] <muscibot> Any1??
[12:36] <HiddenWolf> cef: for Holland, what I pay is expensive
[12:36] <cef> HiddenWolf: and that 10mbit/10mbit you can get.. well it's about the cost of our cable.. which is about 10mbit/128k
[12:37] <HiddenWolf> cef: yeah, that one is a treat. I live in a converted office building, used to belong to an ISP. fibreglass in-building
[12:37] <bonee> what is the different between gnome and KDE
[12:37] <cef> HiddenWolf: yeah well.. here in AU, that's better than we get. we have mebbe 2-3 DSL providers that can do better than 1.5m/512k (about 8M/1.5M if you're close enough to the exchange)
[12:37] <Nermal> bonee, a lot :)
[12:38] <Nermal> one is QT based, one is GTK based
[12:38] <Nermal> best off going to kde.org and having a look around, and then going to gnome.org and looking around :)
[12:38] <Nermal> *avoids flamewar*
[12:38] <cef> and because of the base, the way the apps are written is somewhat different, and is in many ways reflected in the user interface
[12:38] <Nermal> is gnome C and kde C++ as well ?>
[12:39] <mjr> Nermal, at the core, yes
[12:39] <Nermal> all I know is that kde apps take a looong time to compile :|
[12:39] <mjr> tough both have bindings for other languages as well (gnome still a bit ahead on this, I think, though not as much as it used to)
[12:39] <muscibot> jeez...does no1 know how?:
[12:40] <mjr> (of course, there's the detail that Qt-using stuff isn't actually C++, but some C++Qt-stuff that needs to be preprocessed into real C++ ;)

[12:41] <b_e_n_z> VDSL here is cheaper than ADSL!!!
[12:41] <b_e_n_z> VDSL = 10Mbps up and down
[12:42] <cef> b_e_n_z: unfortunately for AU, the population density isn't high enough to drop the price to a decent cost
[12:43] <b_e_n_z> ADSL 3Mbps = US$19... VDSL 10Mbps = US$17
[12:43] <bonee> where can i get those connection with those price
[12:44] <bonee> i live is Logn Beach CA
[12:44] <bonee> USA
[12:44] <b_e_n_z> i am not in the usa
[12:49] <Thom_Holwerda> fabbione, are you here?
[12:49] <ik-G4> hai
[12:50] <Nermal> muscibot, asfrecorder
[12:50] <Nermal> and talk properly ffs
[12:50] <fabbione> Thom_Holwerda: yes, but i am very busy
[12:50] <Nermal> "ffs" <- only appreviated to avoid swearing :)
[12:50] <Nermal> s/pp/bb
[12:51] <Nermal> why didn't I create a seperate home partition *Sob*
[12:51] <Thom_Holwerda> fabbione: okay, i won't bother you then other than saying that it was an error on my end with th einstaller... i managed to use the debian mini.iso, not the ubuntu one...
[12:51] <kalila> how can I find what is eating up my CPU? gnome's CPU applet shows 100% activity, the fan won't stop, and top doesnt show any processes eating up that much
[12:52] <fabbione> Thom_Holwerda: ok thanks for the info
[12:53] <Thom_Holwerda> fabbione: however, i filed this bugreport ( https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6606 ) since there is a problem with the installer not recognizing netw. hardware, colin watson told me to file it
[12:54] <Nermal> kalila, even if you sort by P in top ?
[12:54] <kalila> Nermal: yeah
[12:54] <Nermal> hum.. swapping ?
[12:54] <kalila> 0% used
[12:55] <Nermal> hum
[12:55] <kalila> X is most with 5%
[12:55] <Nermal> does ps ax show any with a lot of cpu time ?
[12:55] <Nermal> it's not throttling or something is it ?
[12:56] <kalila> Nermal: what do you mean?
[12:56] <Nermal> well.. from what you said it sounds like a laptop
[12:56] <Nermal> its not cpufreq stepping down the cpuspeed or acpi throttling the cpu is it ?
[12:57] <kalila> Nermal: i tried atop, and the bitch was rhythmbox
[12:57] <kalila> thanks :)
[12:59] <Nermal> ah :)
[12:59] <Nermal> wonder why top didn't show it
[01:08] <Coily> how can i add http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/pool/universe/ to my repositories?
[01:09] <Coily> or rather, why isnt it in sources.list?
[01:09] <tweek> #manaworld
[01:09] <tweek> oops
[01:09] <r3v3rb> love day 2morro :) yay
[01:09] <viper12> Just edit sources list and add it colly.  Ubuntu has set things up to be 'easier' for the 'lesser' user.....(not as much clutter.).  The more 'power-user' the more you'll know to add.
[01:10] <viper12> the basic noob doens't have a clue, or really have a 'need' for those sources.
[01:11] <viper12> an ubuntu 'philosophy' decision.
[01:11] <cef> is hoary reasonably unbroken at the moment?
[01:11] <Coily> gotcha just making sure there werent any "we don't want you installing these packages for your own sake" stuff
[01:12] <viper12> nods to colly.  It really does make sense though.  they want to get this distro to be as easy as xandros for the noob, but extensible as straight up deb as you progress.  I really like that.
[01:13] <viper12> as for hoary, I'm running array 4 on a compaq laptop and it seems pretty solid, but I'm not makin' it sweat either. ;)
[01:14] <viper12> I just wish azureas would optimize their bit client a bit more. p.o.s. sucks resources like an old whore still.
[01:16] <tgana> hello
[01:16] <viper12> hola
[01:16] <Nermal> hello :)
[01:17] <tga> I'm having some trouble getting my Orinoco card to work with Ubuntu.. I set the right WEP key with iwconfig but the router still won't talk to me
[01:18] <tga> should I be doing more than just `iwconfig eth1 key dead-beef-12`?
[01:18] <viper12> just a quick 'basic' techie reminder question.........did you set the eesid with the right case in the name? (hate to ask, but that was my problem with my wifi. lol
[01:19] <tga> I just did an "essid any" and iwconfig shows the link to the AP, signal strength and all that
[01:19] <tga> so I assume it's a WEP problem
[01:20] <viper12> yeah........if you're router is a specific sid...........then I'd make sure and set it just in case.  I had the same good 'contact' light deal until I set the sid.
[01:20] <viper12> "any" let me see that it was yackin'.........but until I told it the name...........da-nada.
[01:21] <tga> viper12: I tried setting a bogus essid, then "any" and it found the right one
[01:21] <r3v3rb> anyone know how to create a .deb for the repositories
[01:22] <viper12> Mine 'found' the right one as well tga...........it just wouldn't "do" anything else.
[01:22] <tga> interesting
[01:22] <viper12> once I set the name.........poof and gosh it all went like it was s'posed ta.
[01:22] <Tommy> does ubuntu has a decent partition program for when you want to install it but still need to make partitions?
[01:22] <CarlK> how do I figure out what window managers are avalible for hoary?
[01:23] <tga> Tomcat_: yes, but don't rely on it for any partition resizing
[01:23] <viper12> Of course I'm seeing that issue with the hoary live cd as well.  Its not asking for the eesid about 75% of the time for some reason.........shrugs.
[01:23] <tga> the installer asks once, then it's impossible to make it ask again
[01:23] <viper12> Carl, natively, its gnome, gnome gnome.  lol.  but you can apt any of em' and they work.
[01:24] <Tommy> argh, then i'll find some other prog to resize my current partition with
[01:24] <tga> that's step 2 after I get wifi to work, apt-get install openbox ion2
[01:24] <viper12> I used qparted tommy........worked like a charm.
[01:24] <tga> I used it too.. it did ok on my ntfs part but hosed my ext3
[01:24] <Tommy> viper12: but you already had a linux distro installed?
[01:25] <tga> Tommy: if you want a nice interface to it you can use qtparted from a livecd
[01:25] <tga> otherwise iirc the installer comes with the text version of it
[01:25] <CarlK> I pretty much want to run Firefox and XMMS, or some gui mp3 player - any recomendation for WM?
[01:25] <viper12> it hosed the ext3? wow.  mine rolled and even fixed a prob with the ntfs part.
[01:25] <tga> btw, does ubuntu come without mp3 support?
[01:26] <CarlK> hmm, good q...
[01:26] <tga> CarlK: openbox is nice and simple
[01:26] <viper12> carl...........gnome works just fine with those apps.
[01:26] <CarlK> viper12 - P1-233mhz box -
[01:26] <viper12> ouch
[01:26] <tga> as I said, openbox is nice and simple :)
[01:26] <viper12> nev mind. lmao
[01:26] <scizzo> tga: find the RestrictedFormats in the wiki and that will give you answers for that
[01:26] <Coily> is there a way to automatically install the dependencies of a package with dpkg?
[01:27] <scizzo> tga: you know there are different laws in different countrys...
[01:27] <scizzo> :)
[01:27] <tga> scizzo: yeah, I was sorta expecting it, just making sure
[01:27] <CarlK> and so far, i can't get anything but 640x480
[01:27] <Coily> anyone?
[01:27] <tga> first time I tried linux I couldn't get more than 320x200
[01:27] <viper12> kinda hard to answer that question without knowing specifics on hardware (video).
[01:28] <viper12> of course with a p1-233 box,.................yikes.
[01:29] <r3v3rb> anyone know how to create a .deb for the repositories
[01:29] <r3v3rb> i would like to create a deb for graveman 0.3.8
[01:30] <viper12> to put in ubuntu's repos?
[01:30] <r3v3rb> to let everyone share the joy of easy gtk/gnome cd burning of mp3 and ogg and dvd
[01:30] <r3v3rb> well to submit for inclusion
[01:30] <viper12> I hate to say this, but have you checked their website?  I believe there's a section for submitting and such there.
[01:31] <tga> here I go again, maybe this time I can get wifi to work
[01:31] <r3v3rb> but how do i create the deb to submit ?
[01:31] <flosch> hi
[01:31] <viper12> of course, DVD........ain't gonna happen f3.
[01:31] <ups> r3v3rb: there's a thread in the forum on that
[01:32] <r3v3rb> sweet thanks ups
[01:32] <viper12> too many sticky legal questions regarding dvd.
[01:33] <r3v3rb> not dvd video but dvd data disks
[01:33] <viper12> the words "mp3" and DVD in the same sentence give some licensers the shakes though. heh heh
[01:33] <r3v3rb> not everyone uses dvd-r for dodgy movies...
[01:34] <r3v3rb> some of us download our distro's that way too you know :)
[01:34] <Thom_Ubuntu> hehe
[01:34] <viper12> I hear you on that one.  My comment was regarding 'official' repositories.  universe/multi /etc. would prolly work.
[01:34] <r3v3rb> mp3 burning is not the same as mp3 encoding afaik
[01:34] <r3v3rb> true
[01:35] <viper12> tell that to the frickin' RIAA though.  -j/t
[01:35] <r3v3rb> it may not make it into official but i think it should be there
[01:35] <viper12> nods.
[01:35] <r3v3rb> so my mp3's i buy online i cannot burn to cd, yet the cd i buy i can record to tape to play in my wife's car !! RIAA go suck !
[01:36] <r3v3rb> :D
[01:36] <viper12> hey.......I can watch galactica for free (well paid cable), but if I d/l the same ep on net.............i'm ebil.
[01:36] <viper12> lmao
[01:37] <viper12> Our legal types as well as the entertainment industry are still about 10-15 years behind the curve....as usual.
[01:38] <viper12> Of course those very same arguments swirl around licensing and lawsuits in the unix world as well.
[01:38] <muscibot> hi room again
[01:38] <viper12> hola
[01:38] <muscibot> where can i get asfrecorder for ubuntu
[01:38] <r3v3rb> arggghhh, what we all need is an OS that locks us out from doing anything... we could call it 'Longhorn' !!
[01:39] <viper12> nobody gets ass free 'round here.  (sorry...couldn't resist.
[01:39] <viper12> :D
[01:39] <thechitowncubs> Hellow
[01:39] <thechitowncubs> I am having trouble installing ubuntu hoary
[01:39] <viper12> combine longhorn with the fritz chip and that stupid TC initiative and that's about the size of it r3
[01:40] <viper12> hola chito
[01:40] <thechitowncubs> I was not expecting to be greeted by a command prompt instead of a GUI
[01:40] <thechitowncubs> what do I need to do
[01:40] <viper12> startx.
[01:40] <viper12> heh heh
[01:40] <thechitowncubs> do i need to apt-get anything?
[01:41] <Thom_Ubuntu> mmm it happened after rebooting?
[01:41] <thechitowncubs> how do I startx?
[01:41] <Thom_Ubuntu> i've had problems with hoary/x86 as well
[01:41] <viper12> actually, seriously........try that.  if it barfs
[01:41] <muscibot> is nermal here?
[01:41] <Nermal> thechitowncubs, startx perhaps ?
[01:41] <Thom_Ubuntu> it doesnt install a certain package and then it quits the installer
[01:41] <viper12> did you have install failures..................ahhh. read about that.
[01:41] <thechitowncubs> and how do you quit IRSSI?
[01:41] <Nermal> muscibot, ?
[01:41] <Nermal>  /quit ?
[01:41] <thechitowncubs> because i am stuck in it =/
[01:42] <Nermal> yay!
[01:42] <muscibot> hey man u said that i must use asfrecorder right
[01:42] <Nermal> well.. for asf and wmv streams
[01:42] <Nermal> mplayer can save quicktime to disk
[01:42] <muscibot> yeah...but i cant get it for linux tho\
[01:42] <Nermal> eh ?
[01:42] <Nermal> I didn't realise you could get it for anything else
[01:43] <viper12> um....is this recorder a win app?
[01:43] <thechitowncubs> It said the command was not found
[01:43] <Nermal> it might not be in ubuntu, but I'm coming from a gentoo background where it's in portage
[01:43] <muscibot> i think so
[01:43] <Nermal> no .. its not
[01:43] <Thom_Ubuntu> thechitowncubs, there is a problem with the hoary installer
[01:43] <thechitowncubs> what do you mena
[01:43] <Nermal> why the fsck would I recommend a windows app ?
[01:43] <muscibot> where can i get it
[01:43] <Nermal> give me some credit
[01:43] <cblack> lo folks
[01:43] <Thom_Ubuntu> did it say anything about not being able to install a certain paxckage?
[01:43] <r3v3rb> viper12, usted es espaol
[01:44] <thechitowncubs> I didn't try to install anything yet
[01:44] <muscibot> no...it said on the website that is was for win
[01:44] <remi_> bonjour a tous
[01:44] <Nermal> muscibot, http://justfuckinggoogleit.com/?q=asfrecorder
[01:44] <muscibot> lol
[01:44] <Thom_Ubuntu> thechitowncubs, then X is not installed either, :)
[01:44] <muscibot> thnx
[01:44] <viper12> no habla r3
[01:44] <Nermal> yes, the link does work :P
[01:44] <remi_> je viens d'installer Ubuntu sur un iMac
[01:44] <thechitowncubs> what is that package name
[01:44] <remi_> mais il est un peu lourd
[01:45] <ezsquirt> remi_: tu peux rejoindre le canal #ubuntu-fr celui ci est en anglais
[01:45] <remi_> thinks
[01:45] <Nermal> thechitowncubs, did you do a minimal install or something ?
[01:45] <thechitowncubs> i just hit enter
[01:45] <thechitowncubs> so, i guess it was normal
[01:45] <muscibot> THAT LINK IS AWESOME!!!!
[01:45] <Nermal> urgh
[01:45] <Thom_Ubuntu> thechitowncubs, ha you have to install ubuntu itself-- you start from the CD, then it installs the base system, after that you need to reboot and it is suposed to install the remaining software, including the GUI
[01:45] <muscibot> HAHAHAHAHA
[01:45] <thechitowncubs> Oh, well I guess it didn't do that, it just restarted to a program called Aptitude.
[01:46] <Thom_Ubuntu> i know
[01:46] <thechitowncubs> And I had no idea what to install
[01:46] <Thom_Ubuntu> thats the problem i mentioned
[01:46] <viper12> hoary does have some issues with acpi on some boxes.........and if aptitude came up.........she's bonked.
[01:46] <Nermal> muscibot, it has it's uses ;)
[01:46] <Thom_Ubuntu> th einstaller failes
[01:46] <thechitowncubs> =(
[01:46] <remi_> I have installed Ubuntu on one iMac
[01:46] <muscibot> lol
[01:46] <thechitowncubs> my regular ubuntu worked
[01:46] <Thom_Ubuntu> i had it on this x86 box as well thechitowncubs
[01:46] <Skid> hi how do I enable gnome to automatically add programs that i install to the applications menu?
[01:46] <remi_> but it's not very speed
[01:46] <Thom_Ubuntu> Skid, it is supposed to do that already :)
[01:46] <thechitowncubs> Is it fixible?
[01:46] <Thom_Ubuntu> restart x for that
[01:46] <thechitowncubs> fixable
[01:46] <Nermal> Skid, it should do I think.. maybe famd needs to be active
[01:47] <Skid> TheButteryWonder: it doesn't
[01:47] <Skid> I've got fam installed.. but I can't find "famd"
[01:47] <Thom_Ubuntu> Skid, restart gnome/x
[01:47] <Nermal> or do a killall gnome-panel and it should respawn
[01:47] <Skid> and fam is running..
[01:47] <Nermal> hmm..
[01:47] <Skid> Thom_Ubuntu: I dont want to have to always restart x
[01:47] <Skid> that's the thing :)
[01:47] <Thom_Ubuntu> or just press ctrl+alt+backspace
[01:47] <Nermal> urgh.. no
[01:47] <Thom_Ubuntu> well you have to
[01:47] <Nermal> don't do that
[01:47] <Skid> that's just stupid
[01:47] <Skid> I dont want all my apps killed :)
[01:47] <zeedo> Skid: killall gnome-panel
[01:47] <Nermal> just do a killall -HUP gnome-panel
[01:47] <thechitowncubs> Thom- what do you need to do to fix it =/
[01:47] <Nermal> but there must be a better way
[01:47] <Skid> can i h
[01:47] <Skid> ya
[01:48] <Skid> well I searched for famd (as coming from gentoo..)
[01:48] <Nermal> hmm
[01:48] <Nermal> Skid, aye.. me too
[01:48] <Skid> but fam was only returned, insatlled...
[01:48] <Skid> fam is running
[01:48] <Thom_Ubuntu> thechitowncubs, i dont know... you can always install ubuntu warty, and do a dist-upgrade from there to hoary (the one that fails)
[01:48] <Nermal> hmm
[01:48] <Skid> but it's not "smart"
[01:48] <muscibot> thanks nermal..ill let u know if it works
[01:48] <Skid> sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't
[01:48] <muscibot> cheers
[01:48] <Nermal> muscibot, it's not in apt ?
[01:48] <thechitowncubs> Ill just wait till the Final =/
[01:48] <thechitowncubs> later
[01:48] <muscibot> huh?
[01:48] <Skid> also, while I'm on the subject, how can I enable the rest of the menu, rather than just gnomes (such as when I'm in fluxbox/xfce)
[01:48] <Tirno> Hi, I had the possibly misguided idea to move to hoary and now my wireless doesn't want to talk to me
[01:49] <Nermal> well.. aptitude search asfrecorder returns nothing ?
[01:49] <Thom_Ubuntu> now whats wrogn with ctrl+alt+backspace :s
[01:49] <Nermal> Thom_Ubuntu, it kills X without quitting any apps properly
[01:49] <Tirno> using network setting gui, I try to activate the wireless card and it promptly de-activates it again
[01:49] <Nermal> just wrenches X out from underneath them
[01:49] <Thom_Ubuntu> oh
[01:49] <Thom_Ubuntu> well i dont really care i barely use my x86 anyway ;)
[01:49] <Nermal> plus it kills all the apps you are using etc
[01:49] <Thom_Ubuntu> Nermal, that i understood
[01:50] <Nermal> Tirno, what does things like /var/log/messages show ?
[01:50] <Nermal> or dmesg ?
[01:50] <Nermal> and what happens if you manually up the interface ?
[01:51] <r3v3rb> gtg. l8r
[01:51] <gus_> sorry to just pop into your conversation like this :: but does anyone know if there are md5 sums for the newest hoary install i386 iso?
[01:51] <muscibot> nermal it doesnt work...
[01:51] <Nermal> what doesn't
[01:51] <muscibot> asf
[01:51] <Nermal> which bit
[01:52] <viper12> tirno........which wifi card are you using? is it an atheros chipset?
[01:52] <Nermal> ffs... read how to ask a question...
[01:52] <muscibot> well i extract it and its and exe file
[01:52] <Nermal> oh for christs sake
[01:52] <Tirno> it is on an intel centrino proc
[01:52] <muscibot> what???
[01:52] <Tirno> I think
[01:52] <Nermal> what video do you want to stream ?
[01:52] <Tirno> Nermal: I have nothing recent in /var/log/messages
[01:53] <|junit|> One other question: I noticed that Apache2 still tries to load on boot, even though I removed it using sudo apt-get remove apache2
[01:53] <Tirno> viper12: it worked on warty
[01:53] <viper12> I'm running hoary on same setup tirno........and I gotta tell you first off make SURE you type in the essid properly.  if thats wrong (even caps) it'll barf. ( i oughta know.
[01:53] <muscibot> its for my dad
[01:53] <Nermal> WHAT FORMAT
[01:53] <muscibot> http://xgen.vitalstream.com/mcasx.asx?media=1889745&package=1834578&vsus=&vsps
[01:53] <muscibot> i dunno
[01:54] <Nermal> apparently asfrecorder has both windows and linux version in the tarball
[01:54] <CarlK> how do I tell apt-get to install the Recommended packages too?
[01:54] <Tirno> viper12: so I can't hunt for wireless networks whose essid I don't know?
[01:54] <muscibot> ok
[01:54] <Nermal> Tirno, sure..
[01:54] <Nermal> Tirno, iwlist <interface> scan
[01:54] <Nermal> will list the ones it finds
[01:54] <muscibot> how do you install the linux one ...i got it in zip form
[01:55] <Scognito> hi all
[01:55] <Nermal> look in the file I guess
[01:55] <Nermal> should be an executable
[01:55] <Scognito> i got this message when i boot:
[01:55] <Scognito> "WARNING: .udevdb already exists on the old $udev_root!"
[01:55] <viper12> sure you can tirn........I'm talking about getting it to work on the one you want........mine kept crapping because it found two open networks that used 'any'.......and the signal was so bad it kept crappin' out.
[01:55] <Scognito> what it means?
[01:55] <Tirno> Nermal: how do I describe the interface
[01:55] <Nermal> Scognito, it means the udev db already exists on the old udev root
[01:55] <Scognito> i tried to remove /dev/.udevdb and reboot, but got same error
[01:55] <Nermal> Tirno, wlan0 ?
[01:55] <Nermal> Scognito, hum
[01:56] <Scognito> Nermal, in fact it is strange
[01:56] <CarlK> Quality=4/100  ?!!  it is 4' from the AP...
[01:56] <Scognito> and, every time i try to reboot or halt my machine i got "/ busy" when unmounting
[01:56] <Tirno> oops... iwconfig doesn't see my eth1
[01:57] <Nermal> huym
[01:57] <Tirno> which is where the wireless is if I remember correctly
[01:57] <Nermal> what does ifconfig eth1 up do ?
[01:57] <viper12> also tirno........check device manager and make sure its listed in there.  if not.........you've gota prob.
[01:57] <Nermal> sounds like it's not picking up the card
[01:57] <Nermal> what does dmesg give you ?
[01:57] <Scognito> me?
[01:58] <Nermal> noo... Tirno
[01:58] <Coily> every morning around 6:30 my mounted partitions start reading/writing, is there some sort of scheduled app that comes with ubuntu?
[01:58] <Tirno> nermal: am checking dmesg
[01:58] <Nermal> Coily, cron?
[01:58] <Nermal> :)
[01:58] <CarlK> Coily - probably "locate"
[01:58] <viper12> naw coily.........its bill gates trying ta sabotage ya. ;-)
[01:58] <muscibot> how do you run a makefile
[01:59] <Coily> cron? locate? how can i disable these
[01:59] <CarlK> Coily - turn off the box. ;)
[01:59] <Coily> :O
[01:59] <viper12> lol
[01:59] <Nermal> why would you want to ?
[01:59] <Nermal> they are running for your benefit
[02:00] <Coily> right now im having problems with my cpu overheating so cpu stress lags me, not too fun
[02:00] <Gagatan> muscibot: by issuing 'make' on the commandline ;) or ./Makefile if its executable
[02:00] <Coily> how long should it last?
[02:00] <Nermal> Coily, depends on how many files you have
[02:00] <Nermal> couple of minutes usually
[02:00] <viper12> sounds like hdd access is the LEAST of your concerns with that one (overheat0.
[02:00] <muscibot> i did but if says make: *** No rule to make target `makefile'.  Stop.
[02:00] <tga> viper12, major suckage
[02:01] <Tirno> so, no mention of eth1 in dmesg
[02:01] <viper12> hey tga. huh?
[02:01] <Nermal> muscibot, no documentation in the tarball ?
[02:01] <Coily> ya im running semi-stable right now...
[02:01] <tga> viper12, the card works just fine, it's dhclient that won't grab an address
[02:01] <muscibot> nope
[02:01] <Nermal> Tirno, what card is it
[02:01] <viper12> ahh hmm.
[02:01] <Tirno> gah! where do I find the wireless chipset in the device manager gui
[02:01] <Nermal> Tirno, forget "device manager" crap
[02:02] <Nermal> thats windows talk
[02:02] <Tirno> ok
[02:02] <Nermal> lspci is a good tool
[02:02] <Nermal> will list all the pci devices
[02:02] <tga> eek, these fonts are fugly
[02:02] <viper12> nermal..........that ain't cool.  there IS a gui dev manager that lists the devices.  If the user isn't as comfortable as SOME are on the command line, thats the FIRST place to look.
[02:03] <Nermal> viper12, device manager is very ambiguous
[02:03] <Nermal> it could mean different things on different DE / WM or different distros
[02:03] <Tirno> I'm comfortable with both
[02:03] <Nermal> command line is a lot easier over irc
[02:03] <Tirno> I just have zero clue as far as hardware is concerned
[02:03] <Tirno> so I don't know what I'm looking for
[02:03] <Nermal> "type this" vs "move your mouse to this, then click this, then this, then you should see this.."
[02:04] <Nermal> Tirno, do you know what card it is ?
[02:04] <Tirno> err...
[02:04] <Nermal> that would help lots :)
[02:05] <Tirno> because I'm not sure which thing it is that's supposed to identify the card
[02:05] <CarlK> so there isn't an apt-get switch to get the Recommended packages?
[02:05] <Nermal> Tirno, I meant you personally
[02:05] <Tirno> Since they've begun integrating wireless inside laptops, I've just been answering yes and saying activate and hoping for the best
[02:05] <Nermal> as in "I went and bought this card"
[02:06] <Nermal> ah... it's integrated .. centrino ?
[02:06] <Tirno> I went and bought this acer laptop
[02:06] <Tirno> yeah
[02:06] <Nermal> right..
[02:06] <Nermal> so it will be using the ipw stuff
[02:06] <Tirno> I mentioned that earlier, sorry didn't realised you missed it
[02:06] <Nermal> np :)
[02:06] <Nermal> hmm. so it will be ipw2100 but more likely ipw2200
[02:06] <viper12> As far as it goes.  If its a centrino based chipset (intel)........in the device manager GUI, its going to be listed most likely as: PRO/Wireless LAN xxxx  mini PCI adapter.
[02:06] <Nermal> does lsmod give you any modules name ipw
[02:06] <viper12> (looking at a centrino machine as we speak.)
[02:07] <tritium> CarlK, you can always use apt-cache show
[02:07] <Nermal> lspci and the kernel are my device managers
[02:07] <CarlK> tritium - how will that help?
[02:07] <Tirno> ipw2200
[02:07] <Nermal> so the module is loaded.. .thats good
[02:07] <tritium> CarlK, It'll only show you the info you want to know.  Then, you can install the recommend packages.
[02:07] <Nermal> its just not upping the wifi card :|
[02:08] <Nermal> which is odd.. it should appear somewhere in dmesg :|
[02:08] <Nermal> and iwconfig doesn't show any wireless cards ?
[02:08] <Tirno> ah
[02:08] <Tirno> sorry
[02:08] <Tirno> I did dmesg|grep eth1
[02:08] <Tirno> grepping ipw2200 says load faled
[02:09] <Nermal> hmm.. maybe the firmware failed to load :|
[02:09] <Tirno> ipw2200: ipw2200_boot.fw load failed
[02:09] <Tirno> yep
[02:09] <Tirno> unable to load firmware: 0xFFFFFFFE
[02:09] <Nermal> ok.. so the firmware isn't loading onto your card.. so that could be a firmware version issue or it could be a pci issue
[02:09] <muscibot> AARG!!!
[02:09] <muscibot> this freeking thing
[02:09] <viper12> ipw2200.  you should check compatibility stuff.  the ipw2100 (over here) is working with hoary array4.
[02:10] <Nermal> I would just try booting with pci=noacpi noapic and see what happens... as a quick check
[02:10] <viper12> good call there nermal.
[02:10] <Nermal> that was a good fix when I worked for SUSE ;)
[02:10] <viper12> what 'brand' laptop is it Tirno?
[02:10] <Tirno> acer travelmate 4000
[02:10] <Nermal> as hoary has a newer kernel and it may not like the acpi implementation
[02:10] <viper12> nods.  definitely do the no acpi install.
[02:11] <Tirno> oh...
[02:11] <viper12> you're ipw is a full rev higher than the compaq x1000 widescreen I'm looking at. (ipw2100).
[02:11] <Nermal> so hit space for the menu on boot, then hit "e" to edit the boot options and plonk pci=noacpi noapic on the end of the kernel line
[02:11] <Nermal> then hit "b" to boot it
[02:11] <Tirno> right
[02:11] <muscibot> i cant find asfrecorder as a tgz file only as a freeking zip file
[02:11] <Nermal> alternatively add those two to the end of the kernel line in /boot/grub/menu.lst :)
[02:12] <Nermal> note one is acpi and one is apic, they are two different things
[02:12] <Nermal> just to confuse you :)
[02:12] <viper12> lmao
[02:12] <tritium> muscibot, what's the problem with that?
[02:12] <muscibot> well i dont know how to install it as an exe file
[02:12] <Nermal> its not an exe file
[02:12] <Nermal> it contains both
[02:12] <Nermal> you have to compile the linux version
[02:13] <Nermal> though I just do emerge asfrecorder *cough* ;)
[02:13] <muscibot> it contains a exe and makefile but i dont know how to makefile
[02:13] <Tirno> where do I put it in grub's menu.llst
[02:13] <Nermal> is there no INSTALL file ?
[02:13] <Nermal> to read ?
[02:13] <muscibot> nope
[02:13] <Nermal> Tirno, on the end of the kernel line you want to use
[02:13] <|junit|> is there any risk involved in upgrading to hoary from woary with apt-get?
[02:13] <|junit|> lol
[02:13] <|junit|> hoary
[02:13] <muscibot> there is just exe file and makefile
[02:14] <Nermal> |junit|, there is some risk, but it worked for me
[02:14] <Nermal> apparently aptitude can be better for big upgrades
[02:14] <Nermal> just make sure things like X are shut down
[02:14] <|junit|> k
[02:14] <viper12> um junit......hoary is still not 'final'..........so there might be if you've tweaked with stuff on warty.....but its not that 'scary'.
[02:14] <tritium> |junit|, you may encounter some difficulties
[02:16] <krism> mms
[02:16] <Tirno> oops... just realised I might have done something really silly and overreached myself. I didn apt-get dist-update and then apt-get upgrade
[02:16] <krism> sorry
[02:16] <|junit|> have any of you used OpenOffice 2 beta?
[02:16] <tritium> |junit|, yes
[02:16] <afonit> can't get it to install
[02:16] <afonit> or else I would
[02:16] <|junit|> Hmm, i couldn't get it to install either
[02:16] <Nermal> Tirno, not the other way round ?
[02:16] <afonit> I don't want to build it, just wanna do it from apt
[02:16] <CarlK> I used OO 1.9
[02:16] <|junit|> with their debian instructions
[02:16] <Tirno> err
[02:17] <Tirno> not sure which way round
[02:17] <tritium> openoffice.org2 is available in Hoary
[02:17] <Nermal> well normally you do update then upgrade ;)
[02:17] <Nermal> tritium, it is ? :)
[02:17] <Tirno> point being, i don't think I ever typed the line dist-upgrade
[02:17] <Nermal> wheee
[02:17] <tritium> Nermal, yep
[02:17] <tritium> for a while now ;)
[02:17] <Tirno> I did dist-update then upgrade
[02:17] <Nermal> much faster apparently
[02:18] <Nermal> it's update then dist-upgrade
[02:18] <Tirno> hmm
[02:18] <Nermal> I think
[02:18] <Tirno> maybe I did do it right then
[02:18] <Tirno> :/
[02:18] <tritium> you have to update before you can upgrade
[02:19] <Tirno> I updated
[02:19] <afonit> tritium:  I am in hoary, and when i try to do it through apt it says "opeonoffice.org2-common: depends: openoffice.org2-core(>1.9.64)but it is not installable"
[02:19] <afonit> and I am current as of this morning
[02:19] <Tirno> what I'm specifically worried about is whether there's a difference between dist-upgrade and just upgrade
[02:19] <afonit> maybe it is because I am amd64
[02:19] <tritium> afonit, the day I installed, all the dependencies were available
[02:19] <viper12> have fun all....gotta blaze.
[02:19] <afonit> on ubuntu 64
[02:20] <afonit> tritium, are you on amd64?
[02:20] <tritium> afonit, nope
[02:20] <afonit> nuts
[02:20] <afonit> I am quite happy with ubuntu though, and I finally got an nvidia card that is supported
[02:20] <afonit> makes such a huge difference, it is amazing
[02:21] <tritium> Tirno, there is a big difference.
[02:21] <Parallax> _
[02:22] <Nermal> christ
[02:22] <Nermal> almost did cdrecord dev=/dev/hda hoary-install-i386.iso
[02:22] <RU63> hiya, i installed kde, hoary, and i can't find the terminal in it.
[02:22] <adamh> How do I suggest a package for inclusion in Ubuntu?
[02:23] <Tirno> Oh and there's something vaguely annoying in the warty install procedure: I selected swiss-french keyboard, but english language. And my login screen has defaulted to american keyboard. Only big difference is the switch between letters y and z, which I unfortunately have one of in my password
[02:23] <RU63> where is terminal in kde?  there is nothing on the desktop
[02:23] <adamh> i.e., how do I suggest "Here's a tarball, there ought to be a .deb for it"? :)
[02:23] <Nermal> RU63, should be a shell icon
[02:23] <tritium> Nermal, you can use nautilus to burn CDs too
[02:23] <Tirno> where do I report that/check whether it's fixed in hoary
[02:23] <Nermal> tritium, bah... nah :)
[02:23] <Nermal> this is gentoo atm :|
[02:23] <Nermal> don't trust it ;)
[02:23] <tritium> Nermal, ah, I see ;)
[02:23] <adamh> (and how do I confirm that nobody else has already suggested what I'm suggesting?)
[02:23] <Nermal> about to blat it and install hoary
[02:23] <RU63> Nermal, there is nothing, I had to type xchat into the Run Command to get here
[02:24] <Nermal> that doesn't sound right :|
[02:24] <tritium> adamh, what is it?
[02:24] <adamh> tritium: pyphany
[02:24] <RU63> Nermal, i did choose the mswindows look when i went through the wizard
[02:24] <adamh> (Python bindings/loader for Epiphany)
[02:25] <Nermal> _why?_
[02:25] <RU63> Nermal, could that be it?
[02:25] <Tirno> nermal: I did pci=noapci noapic
[02:25] <Nermal> Tirno, any joy ?
[02:25] <RU63> Nermal, wanted to see what would happen
[02:25] <Tirno> it said it doesn't know option noapci
[02:25] <Tirno> it's just finishing the boot now
[02:25] <Nermal> well.. now you've seen it does it pretty well.. you get nothing useful, and everything is pretty broken
[02:25] <mjg59> Tirno: pci=noacpi
[02:25] <Nermal> they've got it down to a tee eh ?
[02:25] <mjg59> Not pci-noapci
[02:25] <Nermal> noacpi
[02:26] <Nermal> not noapci
[02:26] <Nermal> *embeds head in desk*
[02:26] <Tirno> oh fuck
[02:26] <Tirno> gah
[02:26] <Nermal> collegues giving me odd looks
[02:26] <tritium> adamh, you can file a bug with Severity "enhancement"
[02:26] <adamh> tritium: Against what package?
[02:26] <Tirno> I reread each of the words to make sure it was right
[02:26] <adamh> Erm, what "Product" rather
[02:26] <Riddell> RU63: konsole should be in the k-menu or on the taskbar or you can run it through alt-f2
[02:26] <tritium> adamh, epiphany, I guess
[02:26] <adamh> tritium: All right, thanks :)
[02:26] <Nermal> Tirno, :)
[02:26] <tga> hmm.. hoary time, let's see how this goes
[02:27] <tga> warty~=sarge, hoary~=sid?
[02:27] <tritium> adamh, it's just an idea
[02:27] <tritium> tga, not really
[02:27] <RU63> Riddell: there is nothing... k menu has no apps
[02:27] <tga> is warty 'stable' and hoary 'unstable'?
[02:27] <Nermal> yah
[02:27] <adamh> tritium: There're only 6 "products" in Bugzilla... none of them is Epiphany. I guess I file against Ubuntu :)
[02:27] <tritium> tga, yes, but when Warty was frozen, it was a snapshot of sid
[02:28] <RU63> Riddell: i have to run programs in run command
[02:28] <adamh> Oh, "package" -- gotcha :)
[02:28] <tga> sounds good
[02:28] <tga> so is hoary roughly comparable to sid?
[02:28] <RU63> Riddell: when i click on Configure Desktop, nothing happens
[02:28] <tritium> tga, yes, roughly speaking
[02:28] <tga> RU63, it's so smart it configures the desktop automatically
[02:29] <RU63> tga, i want it to be dumb!
[02:29] <RU63> i want terminal badddd!
[02:29] <tga> RU63: panic sequence: ctrl+alt+backspace
[02:30] <RU63> tga, did that already
[02:30] <Tirno> ah
[02:30] <tga> 689 upgraded, 146 newly installed, 14 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[02:30] <tga> hoooly
[02:30] <Tirno> nermal: all options recognized this time
[02:30] <Tirno> now to see whether it loads the card this time
[02:31] <RU63> i musta missed a package
[02:31] <Tirno> so where is it I go to give feedback on the install procedure?
[02:31] <Riddell> RU63: where is "Configure Desktop"?
[02:32] <muscibot> damn
[02:32] <RU63> Riddell: when i right click on it
[02:32] <Tirno> Nermal: still failed to load firmware
[02:32] <RU63> Riddell: even configure panel doesn't work
[02:32] <muscibot> the friggin asfrecorder wont read asx streams
[02:32] <Riddell> RU63: that's the broken freedesktop menus, try installing gnome-menus and see if that fixes it
[02:32] <Nermal> Tirno, hmm
[02:33] <RU63> Riddell: k, brb... gonna have to leave X
[02:33] <Tirno> hmm dmesg also tells me: local apic disabled by bios -- reenabling
[02:34] <Nermal> hmm
[02:34] <Nermal> interesting
[02:34] <Tirno> acpi also seems to be claiming to doing some stuff
[02:35] <tga> if only I could disable the APIC.. it freezes this lappy every time I use a function key
[02:35] <tritium> tga, you tried noapic?
[02:35] <RU63> Riddell: It worked.. thanks :)
[02:35] <tga> tritium: yeah, it doesn't help
[02:35] <tritium> tga, what about nolapic?
[02:36] <RU63> Riddell: I woulda never thought that installing gnome-menus would work for KDE
[02:36] <tga> tritium: don't know about that one
[02:36] <zeR> Hello, i downloaded the hoary ISO and burned it, but when i want to install i get an error that acpi-modules-2.6.10-2-386-di_2.6.10-14_i386.udeb is corrupt. Anything i can do?
[02:36] <cblack> burn it at a slower speed
[02:37] <tritium> tga, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/dellat/view?searchterm=nolapic
[02:37] <zeR> cblack: you think it is a burning error?
[02:37] <Tirno> or download it again. I had checksum problems on my warty download
[02:37] <Riddell> RU63: it's a known problem, it's on my TODO list to fix sooner rather than later
[02:37] <cblack> zeR, yep
[02:37] <tritium> tga, it may also work in your situation.  It's worth a try
[02:37] <tga> tritium: very interesting, thank you
[02:37] <tritium> yep
[02:38] <zeR> cblack: i watched the md5sums right now. The one on the server is another like i have on my hd now
[02:38] <RU63> Riddell: thanks again for helping, ltr
[02:38] <Tirno> so, is there any way for me to revert back to warty, which still recognized my wireless?
[02:38] <remi> How do you do to install Nvu with apt-get ?
[02:39] <cblack> zeR, burn it again. slower speed.
[02:39] <zeR> cblack: ok, i will try that..thank you!
[02:39] <tritium> remi, if it's in the package repositories, just like any other package
[02:39] <tritium> Tirno, not easily
[02:40] <fsc> should i get a linux-image-smp package for a p4-hyperthreading?
[02:40] <Tirno> sounds like I get to reinstall the whole system :D
[02:40] <CarlK> I had a CD problem - I was able to wget the image to the local box, then unmount /cdrom and mount the image - then let the install finish
[02:41] <Tirno> Will the problems I've been having with hoary be fixed by time it's released?
[02:41] <krism> Tirno : wtf?
[02:41] <CarlK> lol
[02:41] <zeR> cblack: could you give me the correct command (for cdrecord) to burn the iso image?
[02:41] <cblack> not off the top of my head. i just burned it via nautilus in gnome
[02:42] <krism> zeR : cdrecord -dev=/dev/... -tao filename.iso
[02:42] <krism> where -dev=/dev/.. is your devic ename, e.g. "/dev/hdc"
[02:42] <CarlK> isn't it just dev, not -dev?
[02:43] <zeR> is it bootable then?
[02:43] <krism> CarlK: ubuntu 'hack' i assume. it's usually 'dev 0,0,0' for scsi disk, but.
[02:43] <krism> zeR: yes, the ubuntu CD is bootable.
[02:43] <zeR> i mean, cdrecord makes it bootable automatically
[02:43] <zeR> ?
[02:43] <krism> CarlK: for dealing w/ IDE burners directly; cdrecord didnt (doesnt?) natively support ide
[02:44] <krism> zeR: yes.
[02:44] <krism> zeR: if the ISO is bootable, any program that burns the ISO makes.. a bootable disk.
[02:44] <mjr> krism, it does nowadays, at least the one that's actually distributed
[02:44] <Tirno> krism. hoary borked my wireless
[02:44] <krism> mjr: the official one, or ubuntu?
[02:44] <Tirno> so I'm goinh back to warty
[02:44] <zeR> ah, that was my last CD i had..
[02:44] <LinuxJones> The Warty nvidia-glx reverted back to version 1.0-6111 from August.
[02:44] <CarlK> man cdrecord: cdrecord [ general options ]  dev=device
[02:45] <mjr> krism, I dunno about the official one, but practically every distro supports it
[02:45] <fsc> tritium, were you using ndiswrapper?
[02:45] <LinuxJones> Did Hoary's version get changed as well ?
[02:45] <fsc> tritium, if so, revert back to warty's ndiswrapper
[02:45] <krism> mjr: ah. the 'proper' way to do it (used to be!) via ide-scsi, but.. dunno what the official method is now. :)
[02:45] <mjr> the official cdrecord guy is a bit of an unco-operative fellow
[02:45] <krism> mjr :)
[02:46] <mjr> krism, 2.6 kernels actually warn upon loading ide-scsi that it's not the recommended way to burn cds nowadays
[02:46] <mjr> (or at least they did when I tried it a while ago)
[02:46] <krism> mjr: ah :)
[02:47] <sfm-paryl> i have a really strange problem... I just installed ubuntu (warty) and everythign appeared to be great.  But as soon as X starts up, I see a brief flash of the screen (everythign working properly) and then it goes black, the desktop flashes up about every 5-10 seconds and it's up for about a second at a time.  What can I do to fix it? It's an LCD monitor, if that helps.
[02:47] <tritium> fsc, sorry, my sound isn't working.. Didn't hear your message.
[02:47] <tritium> fsc, no, I've never used ndiswrapper
[02:48] <tritium> fsc, what are you responding to?
[02:48] <fsc> tritium, you going back to warty
[02:49] <tritium> fsc, you must be thinking of Tirno, or someone else
[02:49] <fsc> tritium, i have sound problems too. gnome does sounds, but i can't play mp3s
[02:49] <fsc> Tirno, i mean
[02:49] <krism> fsc: apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[02:49] <fsc> Tirno, revert back to ndiswrapper in warty
[02:49] <tritium> fsc, my sound problem is from polypaudio -> #define MAX_CONNECTIONS 10
[02:49] <fsc> Tirno, if that's what you're using
[02:49] <fsc> krism, k
[02:50] <fsc> well, just downloaded 2.10 kernel. gonna reboot and do xorg next
[02:50] <krism> fsc: that's the mp3 plugin.
[02:50] <Tirno> fsc??
[02:50] <tritium> fsc, did you install gstreamer0.8-mad?
[02:50] <Tirno> what does that mean and how do I do it?
[02:50] <fsc> tritium, uhmm..no
[02:50] <Montagh> im looking for an mp3 plugin for totem, or get xmms going
[02:50] <fsc> Tirno, are you using ndiswrapper for your wireless?
[02:50] <tritium> fsc, you be able to play mp3 if you do
[02:50] <fsc> tritium, thanks
[02:50] <tritium> you ^ will ^ be able...
[02:51] <fsc> so when i reboot after getting 2.10 i should be in a 2.10 kernel?
[02:52] <Tirno> the wireless in the centrino set
[02:53] <sfm-paryl> can anyone help?  please?
[02:54] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[02:55] <da_bon_bon> anyone on hoary noticed the new gnome-panel packages ?
[02:55] <tritium> da_bon_bon, what about them?
[02:57] <tritium> hey Xappe
[03:00] <Xappe> hello, tritium
[03:03] <da_bon_bon> tritium: thank me for those.
[03:04] <Scognito> hi all
[03:04] <Scognito> why i cannot install freevo on ubuntu?
[03:05] <tritium> da_bon_bon, oh, did you submit a bug?
[03:05] <Scognito>   freevo: Depends: python (< 2.4) ma 2.4-0ubuntu6 is to be installed
[03:05] <Nermal> da_bon_bon, can I thank the thousands of other coders who contribute to open source too ?
[03:05] <Nermal> the ones that don't ask for credit ? :)
[03:05] <da_bon_bon> tritium: i notified of a severe bug that caused gnome ppl to update their cvs and hence ubuntu to update the packages
[03:05] <lapo> hi
[03:06] <tritium> da_bon_bon, good deal
[03:07] <Kyaneos> hi
[03:07] <Xappe> hmm, something is going crazy with my hdd...think it's synaptic...hmm...
[03:08] <kakorna> Hi, i have a question - what can be wrong if the computer stops at 'Preconfiguring packages...' when im doing 'apt-get install xserver-xfree86', its a 3.2ghz so it should work fine - ive tried both warty and hoary - the CD works fine on my laptop, any sugguestions?
[03:10] <da_bon_bon> Nermal: i am not asking for credit.
[03:10] <da_bon_bon> brb. need to restart GNOME.
[03:11] <Xappe> hmm, no updates for polypaudio...
[03:11] <kandinski> does ubuntu live come with a NTFS resizer? I got this laptop from work I want to install linux on, and it hasn't got an XP disk, so I will not be able to reinstall; I have to resize.
[03:11] <tritium> Xappe, I tried to point it out, and got my hand slapped
[03:11] <tritium> Xappe, we had best be patient.
[03:12] <thenuke> why ubuntus installer fails to re-install grub :I
[03:12] <Xappe> tritium, ok...i'll go without soundserver for a while then
[03:12] <tritium> Xappe, you decided not to drop back to esound?
[03:13] <Xappe> yes, that'll just create more work for me later on :)
[03:14] <tritium> I suppose so.
[03:15] <Xappe> and i think they have to fix it or head back to esound quite soon
[03:15] <tritium> Xappe, because of the freeze?
[03:16] <zeR> cblack: it didn't work :( I burned another CD with speed=4..
[03:16] <Xappe> tritium, something like that. i mean, hoary will not be a good release without a somewhat working soundserver
[03:17] <da_bon_bon> tritium: well, that fix wasnt due to me. the crash still occurs
[03:17] <Tirno> zer: is there an md5sum for you to check?
[03:17] <zeR> When i install Ubuntu, it couldn't copy a file from the cd. When i check the integrity of the cd, i get a message that acpi-modules couldn't be verified by the md5sum. Is there any way to install Ubuntu with the ISO-File anyhow?
[03:17] <tritium> Xappe, what I don't get is how an untested sound server that isn't working made it into Hoary after the feature freeze of Feb. 7th
[03:17] <da_bon_bon> zeR: yes.
[03:17] <zeR> da_bon_bon: :) How can i do that?
[03:18] <da_bon_bon> zeR: u know 'bout BT right ?
[03:18] <zeR> da_bon_bon: Bittorrent?
[03:18] <da_bon_bon> zeR: is it hoary / warty ?
[03:18] <da_bon_bon> yes bittorrent
[03:18] <zeR> da_bon_bon: hoary
[03:19] <zeR> da_bon_bon: i don't want to download another BIG package..it took 4 days to download the ISO (I only have ISDN)
[03:19] <da_bon_bon> zeR: ah, then i dont think its possible, unless u find a .torrent for hoary
[03:19] <Xappe> tritium, well, you got a point there. but since hoary still is under development I guess one can't cry out too loud about it...
[03:19] <CarlK> da_bon_bon - not just that... a .torrent for the hoary that zeR had
[03:20] <da_bon_bon> CarlK: right.
[03:20] <zeR> I downloaded hoary from  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/hoary-live-i386.iso
[03:20] <CarlK> zeR - what day?
[03:20] <da_bon_bon> zeR: well, bad. then, i think u do a minimal install then download all off the net
[03:20] <zeR> a few days ago.
[03:20] <tritium> Xappe, I agree, but it's odd
[03:20] <SiRrUs> whats wrong with hoary's sound ?
[03:20] <CarlK> zeR - me too...
[03:21] <Xappe> tritium, yepp
[03:21] <zeR> da_bon_bon: hmpf. Is there a guide how to install from minimal install?
[03:21] <da_bon_bon> zeR: yes, lemme search
[03:22] <SiRrUs> Xappe,tritium  whats wrong with the sound
[03:22] <da_bon_bon> zeR: http://www.binonabiso.com/en/Ubuntu-miniRAM-HOWTO.html
[03:22] <CarlK> wait...  they mention using rsync to get the image.  it might fix it, and eve update it to the current
[03:22] <zeR> da_bon_bon: thx
[03:22] <Xappe> SiRrUs, they switched from esd to polypaudio, and now a lot of thing do not work properly
[03:22] <CarlK> but that would be some freaky magic...
[03:22] <zeR> CarlK: Ah, sounds great!
[03:22] <Xappe> *things
[03:22] <da_bon_bon> zeR: np.
[03:22] <tritium> SiRrUs, polypaudio bails after 10 connections
[03:22] <da_bon_bon> how do i use ALSA instead of ESD ?
[03:23] <SiRrUs> hmmm my sound works fine, what am I doing wrong
[03:23] <tritium> SiRrUs, you upgraded ubuntu-desktop and had esound replaced with polypaudio?
[03:23] <da_bon_bon> anyone got realplayer 10 working on hoary ?
[03:23] <zeR> CarlK: But who is 'they'?
[03:23] <Xappe> SiRrUs, haha, that's one way of looking at it :D
[03:23] <MeMa|Sorcerer> hiho
[03:24] <SiRrUs> I have done daily updates and dist-upgrades since hoary was first available
[03:24] <SiRrUs> and no esd was never replaced
[03:24] <Xappe> SiRrUs, polypaudio got into hoary yesterday
[03:24] <spiral> da_bon_bon: me
[03:25] <spiral> da_bon_bon: but I didn't do anything special to do so
[03:25] <tritium> SiRrUs, it's held back unless you dist-upgrade or manually install ubuntu-desktop
[03:25] <CarlK> zeR - they = http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GettingUbuntu
[03:25] <SiRrUs> like i said dist-upgrade last night as well as 5 mins ago
[03:25] <CarlK> what is the script that tries to identify your sound card?
[03:26] <Xappe> SiRrUs, that's strange
[03:26] <SiRrUs> so it should be shutting down my xmms soon?
[03:26] <Thom_Holwerda> something's wrong here-- apt-get dist-upgrade from warty to hoary only reports 47 packages that will be upgraded
[03:26] <Thom_Holwerda> isnt it supposed to be more
[03:26] <da_bon_bon> spiral: u on hoary ?
[03:26] <da_bon_bon> Thom_Holwerda: >900 for me.
[03:27] <Thom_Holwerda> yeah thats why im confused
[03:27] <da_bon_bon> check ur repos
[03:27] <Thom_Holwerda> just did :s
[03:27] <SiRrUs> let me restart gnome i am pretty interested now :)
[03:27] <SiRrUs> brb
[03:27] <fsc> easy enough. upgraded to 2.10 kernel and xorg. 15 minutes tops
[03:27] <fsc> officially hoary now
[03:27] <Xappe> tritium, do you have any tips for buying a cheap soundcard with hardware mixing?
[03:28] <fsc> tritium, i downloaded gstreamer-mad and still can't play mp3s by the way
[03:28] <da_bon_bon> spiral: didnt it conflict with esd ? u use esd ?
[03:28] <spiral> DagaZ: yeah... on hoary...
[03:28] <tritium> Xappe, no, I've been using a laptop exclusively for 3 years now.  Sorry.
[03:28] <spiral> da_bon_bon: sorry, not DagaZ
[03:28] <da_bon_bon> spiral: ok..
[03:28] <da_bon_bon> spiral: didnt it conflict with esd ? u use esd ?
[03:28] <fsc> all i use is a laptop too.
[03:28] <Thom_Holwerda> i dont get this :s
[03:28] <spiral> da_bon_bon: I use kde rather... so arts...
[03:29] <da_bon_bon> spiral: that explains it.
[03:29] <Xappe> tritium, ok. think i'll try to get one, so I can turn off my built in ac97
[03:29] <spiral> da_bon_bon: but I still have gnome, and this didn't conflict with esd I think
[03:29] <tritium> fsc, you're using Hoary now?  It has pretty decent power management: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryPM
[03:29] <fsc> tritium, yeah
[03:29] <spiral> tritium: except for smart batteries :-/
[03:29] <fsc> tritium, thanks
[03:29] <tritium> Xappe, good luck
[03:29] <SiRrUs> nope sound works great
[03:29] <da_bon_bon> in Sound pref. if i uncheck "enable sound server at startup" will i get sound during normal events ?
[03:29] <tritium> fsc, sure.
[03:29] <fsc> now that i'm in xorg, how do i get shadows?
[03:30] <tritium> spiral, you're not having luck?
[03:30] <gustavor> is there a command which returns the console that i'm logged in?
[03:30] <spiral> tritium: having a smart battery on my laptop, and no power information returned by acpi
[03:30] <Thom_Holwerda> darnit my sources.list is fine-- how can dist-upgrade only list 47 packages??
[03:30] <spiral> gustavor: tty maybe ?
[03:31] <gustavor> spiral, thanks
[03:31] <spiral> Thom_Holwerda: since when ?
[03:31] <Xappe> fsc, turn on your lamp and get yourself in front of it :) or search the forums for xorg composite
[03:31] <zeR> CarlK: How did you think to fix the ISO-file with rsync?
[03:31] <fsc> Xappe, heh
[03:32] <Xappe> fsc, sorry for the bad joke, i just came home from work :)
[03:32] <Thom_Holwerda> spiral, im trying to dist-upgrade from warty to hoary-- did that before and all went fine, now i have a new warty install, on the same machine, that i want to upgrade into hoary, but now it only lists 47 packages to be upgraded, even though my sources.list is all fine
[03:32] <da_bon_bon> zeR: thats an option
[03:32] <spiral> Thom_Holwerda: apt-get update done ?
[03:32] <Thom_Holwerda> doesnt make sense
[03:32] <Thom_Holwerda> yup
[03:32] <spiral> Thom_Holwerda: astonishing
[03:33] <da_bon_bon> Thom_Holwerda: how many mb does it say it needs to get ?
[03:33] <fsc> transparency on gnome-terminal is kindof cool
[03:33] <Thom_Holwerda> 8207 kb
[03:33] <SiRrUs> Thom_Holwerda you sure your sources are correct
[03:33] <Thom_Holwerda> yup
[03:33] <zeR> ah, i now how it can be done without stressing the server :). Using jigit ( http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/JigdoDownloadHowto ) Luck, that i have still a Warty Release installed
[03:33] <Montagh> i use aterm its the lightest ive found
[03:33] <Thom_Holwerda> no im not sure :s
[03:34] <SiRrUs> Thom_Holwerda go here  www.ubuntuguide.org
[03:34] <da_bon_bon> SiRrUs: and how will that help :P
[03:34] <Thom_Holwerda> screw there where two lines all the way at the top that i forgot to edit-- excuse my utter stupidity
[03:35] <Thom_Holwerda> im already done :) forgot two lines in sources.list, they were tucked in between vairous commented lines so they blended right in
[03:35] <Thom_Holwerda> excuse me lol
[03:35] <SiRrUs> da_bon_bon it tells you which ones to add and edit
[03:35] <da_bon_bon> SiRrUs: Thom_Holwerda told that he has done that.
[03:36] <SiRrUs> Thom_Holwerda he also said he forgot to edit 2 lines ]
[03:36] <da_bon_bon> SiRrUs: mea culpa, then.
[03:36] <Thom_Holwerda> alredy works "need to get 407 mb of archives"
[03:36] <fsc> Thom_Holwerda, tha'ts about right. i just upgraded 2 days ago
[03:36] <fsc> Thom_Holwerda, i think mine was about 450 meg or so
[03:36] <Thom_Holwerda> man this must've been my most stupid action in computing history
[03:36] <da_bon_bon> mine was 423mb
[03:37] <fsc> i was getting kickass download speeds.  300kB+
[03:37] <Thom_Holwerda> same here
[03:37] <fsc> i think it was like 15 minutes
[03:37] <Thom_Holwerda> is there a logger on this channel *erm*
[03:37] <Thom_Holwerda> ;)
[03:37] <SiRrUs> everyone upgrading to hoary?
[03:37] <tritium> Thom_Holwerda, yes
[03:37] <Thom_Holwerda> darnit
[03:37] <fsc> SiRrUs, i upgraded to hoary a couple days ago and just upgraded to kernel 2.6.10 and xorg 10 minutes ago
[03:37] <da_bon_bon> i was getting 12-13kbps  ! :(
[03:38] <da_bon_bon> fsc: upgrade to hoary installs xorg by default
[03:38] <Thom_Holwerda> im doign 301kb atm
[03:38] <SiRrUs> fsc nice
[03:38] <Sysace> guys.. can anybody help with a ppc install?  I've completed the first stage of the install, when asked to reboot, I get yaboot, choose gnu/linux, choose Linux (Linux/old are the options), then i get error:  /pci@80000000/pci-bridge@d/pci-ata@1/@0/disk@0:11,\\linux:  No such file or directory
[03:38] <SiRrUs> da_bon_bon not in all cases
[03:38] <fsc> da_bon_bon, yeah, but the xserver doesn't automagically
[03:39] <fsc> da_bon_bon, you'll still be in xfree if you just do a dist-upgrade
[03:39] <Thom_Holwerda> Sysace, pci-ata?
[03:39] <da_bon_bon> fsc: yeah, learnt that the hard way :(
[03:39] <tritium> Thom_Holwerda, http://www.loglibrary.com/show_page/latest/101
[03:39] <khinester> hello
[03:39] <Sysace> Thom_Holwerda:  that's what it says... it's a blue/white mac g3..
[03:39] <fsc> da_bon_bon, that's a good thing in my opinion
[03:39] <da_bon_bon> fsc: not in mine :)
[03:40] <khinester> how do i install apache on an ubuntu server from the shell
[03:40] <fsc> da_bon_bon, why?
[03:40] <Thom_Holwerda> tritium, darn ;)
[03:40] <fsc> the whole upgrade was so simple. ubuntu rocks
[03:40] <Thom_Holwerda> yup
[03:40] <da_bon_bon> Bandit: WTF ?
[03:40] <da_bon_bon> ubuntu kicks ass!
[03:40] <khinester> is it apt-cache search apache