[12:11] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: i haven't got my tars in th parent named properly
[12:11] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: oh, sorry.  my brain must have spun off or something
[12:11] <PriceChild> ?
[12:12] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: yep, you need to name it as xvidcap_versionprior to the -0ubuntu1.orig.tar.gz
[12:12] <Hobbsee> i think i misunderstood you
[12:12] <PriceChild> hmm ok
[12:13] <PriceChild> ok i've messed up the parent dir... dunno what's what now
[12:13] <PriceChild> I made a backup of the actual folder... so will restore things
[12:14] <Hobbsee> heh
[12:14] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: ok...
[12:15] <PriceChild> so i need 2 tars in the parent dir...
[12:15] <PriceChild> xvidcap-1.1.4p1.tar.gz & xvidcap-1.1.4p1.orig.tar.gz ?
[12:15] <PriceChild> and the "orig" has its /debian folder removed
[12:16] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: correct?
[12:18] <Hobbsee> yes
[12:18] <PriceChild> ok :)
[12:19] <PriceChild> now i can just run debuild -S and all should be perfect
[12:19] <PriceChild> This package has a Debian revision number but there does not seem to be
[12:19] <PriceChild> an appropriate original tar file in the parent directory;
[12:19] <PriceChild> (expected xvidcap_1.1.4p1.orig.tar.gz)
[12:19] <PriceChild> Ok so i'm guessing i'll rename the orig tar to have an underscore...
[12:20] <Hobbsee> you've missed the - between p1 and 4
[12:20] <PriceChild> there isn't one on the original tar/
[12:21] <PriceChild> why should i put one in now?
[12:21] <Hobbsee> oh, i thoguth there was
[12:21] <PriceChild> nope :)
[12:21] <PriceChild> ok
[12:21] <PriceChild> everything runs through "near" perfectly
[12:21] <Hobbsee> what's the first line of debian/changelog again?
[12:21] <PriceChild> xvidcap (1.1.4p1-0ubuntu1) feisty; urgency=low
[12:22] <PriceChild> before it was: xvidcap (1.1.4p1) unstable; urgency=low
[12:22] <Hobbsee> ah right
[12:22] <PriceChild> anyway
[12:22] <Hobbsee> so it needs to be xvidcap_1.1.4p1.orig.tar.gz
[12:22] <PriceChild> yup i did that
[12:22] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, right, you got caught by that
[12:23] <PriceChild> :)
[12:23] <Hobbsee> nwo try debuild -S again?
[12:23] <PriceChild> i'm learning :)
[12:23] <PriceChild> i did
[12:23] <Hobbsee> :)
[12:23] <PriceChild> first error:
[12:23] <Hobbsee> did it complain?
[12:23] <PriceChild> dpkg-source: warning: source directory `./xvidcap-1.1.4p1-0ubuntu1' is not <sourcepackage>-<upstreamversion> `xvidcap-1.1.4p1'
[12:23] <Hobbsee> did you change the name of that dir?
[12:23] <Hobbsee> or did that get done with dch -i?
[12:23] <PriceChild> yes
[12:23] <PriceChild> no
[12:23] <PriceChild> it got changed to -p2
[12:23] <PriceChild> so i manually changed the folder
[12:23] <PriceChild> and the control file
[12:24] <Hobbsee> oh right
[12:24] <PriceChild> was that not sufficient?
[12:24] <PriceChild> thanks for spending so much time on me with this btw :)
[12:24] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: it was, you want the source dir to be named xvidcap-1.1.4p1, not with the -0ubuntu1 in it
[12:24] <Hobbsee> dch fixes it for you, which is what most people use
[12:25] <PriceChild> ok
[12:25] <PriceChild> all the files like the dsc that were created... shall i get rid of those before trying again?
[12:26] <PriceChild> or is will they just be written over when i build again?
[12:26] <Hobbsee> they'll be overwritten the next time you run debuild -S
[12:26] <PriceChild> ok :)
[12:27] <PriceChild> closer..... :)
[12:27] <PriceChild> E: xvidcap_1.1.4p1-0ubuntu1_source.changes: bad-distribution-in-changes-file feisty
[12:27] <PriceChild> guessing that doesn't matter
[12:28] <PriceChild> W: xvidcap source: out-of-date-standards-version 3.6.1 (current is 3.7.2)
[12:28] <PriceChild> should i have changed that?
[12:28] <PriceChild> the wiki said fine as 3.6.1
[12:28] <PriceChild> Hobbsee :)
[12:28] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: yep.  wiki needs updating, too
[12:28] <PriceChild> ok
[12:29] <PriceChild> he he can i do that? :P
[12:29] <Hobbsee> run linda thru it too
[12:29] <PriceChild> i will do
[12:29] <Hobbsee> if you have an account for it, sure
[12:29] <PriceChild> he he :P
[12:29] <PriceChild> hmm.... i'm looking at a html... don't know where the actual wiki page it
[12:29] <PriceChild> *is
[12:30] <Hobbsee> hmmm.  seems not to be
[12:30] <PriceChild> well that's by view...
[12:30] <PriceChild> *my
[12:30] <PriceChild> I know the real bit is there somewhere
[12:31] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: blame LaserJock
[12:31] <PriceChild> nevermind
[12:31] <PriceChild> anyawy
[12:31] <PriceChild> ok so changed to 3.7.2
[12:31] <PriceChild> one step closer :D
[12:31] <Hobbsee> :)
[12:31] <PriceChild> dpkg-genchanges: not including original source code in upload
[12:31] <PriceChild> dpkg-buildpackage (debuild emulation): source only, diff-only upload (original source NOT included)
[12:31] <PriceChild> those sound omnious but guessing its ok
[12:32] <Hobbsee> that's fine
[12:32] <PriceChild> good
[12:32] <Hobbsee> (you need the source tarball included, as it's not already in ubuntu)
[12:32] <PriceChild> W: xvidcap source: changelog-should-mention-nmu
[12:32] <PriceChild> not sure what the W means... i know E means error, so don't know whether the above means i should change something
[12:32] <PriceChild> Does that last comment you said require me to do something?
[12:33] <PriceChild> Hobbsee :P
[12:34] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: why thump me?
[12:34] <PriceChild> the wiki docs are a bit out of date...
[12:34] <LaserJock> we have wiki docs ?!? ;-)
[12:34] <PriceChild> ok not wiki docs then...
[12:34] <PriceChild> http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-debhelper.html
[12:34] <PriceChild> needs changing i think for feisty?
[12:35] <PriceChild> Standards-Version: 3.6.1
[12:35] <PriceChild> Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 4)
[12:35] <PriceChild> to 3.7.2 and >= 5 ?
[12:35] <LaserJock> well, it hasn't been written for feisty yet
[12:35] <PriceChild> he he ok :)
[12:35] <LaserJock> it's still pretty early for that
[12:35] <PriceChild> thump her back then :)
[12:36] <LaserJock> I should have enough info in there though to know what values to use
[12:36] <LaserJock> the problem is trying to write docs for the next release before it happens ;-)
[12:36] <ajmitch> everyone blames Hobbsee...
[12:37] <PriceChild> she's the one teaching me! :)
[12:37] <crimsun> I just blame LaserJock. He's an easy mark.
[12:37] <PriceChild> anyway Hobbsee: W: xvidcap source: changelog-should-mention-nmu
[12:37] <PriceChild>  not sure what the W means... i know E means error, so don't know whether the above means i should change something
[12:37] <crimsun> ah crap, I think my name's in that guide, too.
[12:37] <PriceChild> lol
[12:38] <LaserJock> crimsun: yeah
[12:38] <LaserJock> :p
[12:39] <PriceChild> lol :)
[12:43] <PriceChild> Hobbsee? :)
[12:43] <Fujitsu> Morning LaserJock.
[12:44] <LaserJock> hi Fujitsu
[12:46] <ajmitch> as usual
[12:46] <PriceChild> yay wb Hobbsee :)
[12:46] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: that's because it's ALWAYS YOUR FAULT!  duh :P
[12:46] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: w means warning, and we dont have nmu's in ubuntu, as we dont really have maintainers in ubuntu
[12:47] <PriceChild> ok cool
[12:47] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: and no you dont have to do anything with what i said before
[12:47] <PriceChild> what's a nmu?
[12:47] <PriceChild> ok gd gd :)
[12:47] <Hobbsee> non maintainer upload
[12:47] <PriceChild> ok cool :)
[12:47] <PriceChild> W: xvidcap source: source-nmu-has-incorrect-version-number 1.1.4p1-0ubuntu1
[12:47] <Hobbsee> you should mentoin that you had to take out the upstream debian/ directory in the changelog though
[12:47] <PriceChild> guessing that's because it doesn't recognise ubuntu verstion numbers
[12:47] <Hobbsee> ignore it - that's debian specific
[12:47] <Hobbsee> yep
[12:47] <PriceChild> Hobbsee as far as i know we didn't do that in the end...
[12:48] <PriceChild> You thought it was decent enough and we just "edited" a few thigns
[12:48] <PriceChild> ok lintian finishes...
[12:48] <PriceChild> and it starts a gpg signing
[12:49] <PriceChild> Now we come to a problem
[12:50] <PriceChild> quite a big problem....
[12:50] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: yeah, sorry, just remembered it
[12:50] <Hobbsee> what problem?
[12:50] <Hobbsee> you dont have a gpg key?
[12:50] <PriceChild> well i don't think gpg works through the proxy here
[12:50] <PriceChild> (oh and i haven't got a gpg key with the same name as the one it's searching for during the build)
[12:51] <Hobbsee> you can specify the correct gpg key with debuild -S -kyourkeyID
[12:51] <Hobbsee> why wouldnt it?
[12:51] <PriceChild> *does*
[12:51] <PriceChild> is there a spaec between -k and the keyid
[12:51] <PriceChild> or is it -kyourkeyID
[12:51] <Hobbsee> nope
[12:51] <Hobbsee> the latter
[12:53] <PriceChild> argh
[12:53] <PriceChild> debsign: gpg error occurred!  Aborting....
[12:53] <PriceChild> debuild: fatal error at line 1151:
[12:53] <PriceChild> running debsign failed
[12:53] <PriceChild> :(
[12:53] <Fujitsu> PriceChild: Are you using a GPG agent at all?
[12:53] <Fujitsu> If so, it'll fail... It's a known bug.
[12:53] <pygi> PriceChild: dont tell me you are using seahorse :P
[12:53] <Fujitsu> You'll have to comment out the appropriate line in ~/.gnupg/gnupg.conf as well.
[12:54] <pygi> Fujitsu: and not very nice one
[12:54] <Fujitsu> pygi: True.
[12:54] <Hobbsee> oh come *on*!!!
[12:54] <Hobbsee> hurry up and upload
[12:54] <PriceChild> :)
[12:54] <Hobbsee> Uploading via ftp cinepaint_0.21-2-0ubuntu1.dsc: done.
[12:54] <Hobbsee> Uploading via ftp cinepaint_0.21-2.orig.tar.gz:
[12:54] <StevenK> Cinepaint is large...
[12:54] <PriceChild> pygi: ask me no questions and i'll tell you no lies
[12:54] <Hobbsee> it is
[12:55] <pygi> PriceChild: heh :)
[12:55] <PriceChild> ~/.gnupg/gnupg.conf is empty
[12:55] <Hobbsee> however, i'd prefer to merge it after MOM has a go at it, as opposed to before.  and the versioning was screwed up
[12:55] <Fujitsu> Maybe it's gpg.conf, then.
[12:55] <PriceChild> that's the one :)
[12:55] <PriceChild> thanks
[12:55] <joejaxx> you all want to see something funny?
[12:56] <joejaxx> http://fluxbuntu.org/crashyedgy.png << that is my edgy install
[12:56] <joejaxx> fresh install*
[12:56] <PriceChild> ok i haven't got a clue what the "appropriate line" is... P
[12:56] <Hobbsee> joejaxx: lovely...i hate that
[12:56] <Fujitsu> Something about the agent, PriceChild.
[12:56] <LaserJock> joejaxx: way to go!
[12:57] <PriceChild> god we're so close i can almost smell it....
[12:57] <joejaxx> LaserJock: :D
[12:57] <Fujitsu> joejaxx: Nice.
[12:57] <PriceChild> argh
[12:58] <PriceChild> i commented the line out
[12:58] <PriceChild> and now it doesn't even ask me for passcode before failing
[12:58] <Hobbsee> you could just disable the agent...
[12:58] <PriceChild> ok i must not have saved it...
[12:59] <Hobbsee> ah ha!  done :)
[12:59] <PriceChild> YES!!!!
[12:59] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:00] <PriceChild> :)
[01:00] <PriceChild> he he
[01:00] <PriceChild> i love the tm
[01:00] <PriceChild> right
[01:00] <PriceChild> now...
[01:00] <PriceChild> I'm not sure if i've got this gpg key uploaded to the servers...
[01:00] <PriceChild> I should sort that out
[01:00] <PriceChild> never had to use it before...
[01:00] <joejaxx> Hobbsee: haha that is funny
[01:00] <joejaxx> :)
[01:01] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: ajmitch can fix it
[01:01] <Hobbsee> !revu
[01:01] <ubotu> REVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[01:01] <PriceChild> pardon?
[01:01] <PriceChild> I don't speak motu yet :)
[01:03] <PriceChild> $ gpg --send-key ????????
[01:03] <PriceChild> gpg: sending key 58A21A62 to hkp server subkeys.pgp.net
[01:03] <PriceChild> ?: localhost: Connection refused
[01:03] <PriceChild> gpgkeys: HTTP post error 7: couldn't connect: Connection refused
[01:03] <PriceChild> that's a bit wierd....
[01:04] <PriceChild> I need to be able to do this to get my key on launchpad....
[01:04] <PriceChild> so that i can put it onto revu...
[01:04] <PriceChild> ok i can do this...
[01:05] <Hobbsee> hrm
[01:05] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: revu has to have signed stuff, doesnt it?
[01:05] <ajmitch> yes
[01:05] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: got another place that you can upload to?  it doesnt have to be REVU
[01:05] <PriceChild> No... i wanna sort this out :)
[01:05] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: heh.  revu is where you're goign to try to upload it
[01:06] <PriceChild> I can upload my key to http://subkeys.pgp.net without using cli
[01:06] <PriceChild> i can do it via http...
[01:06] <PriceChild> I don't know what happenned to my old key... I'm going to look after this one though
[01:08] <PriceChild> OK what just happenned... :(
[01:08] <PriceChild> hmm no i think that's ok...
[01:09] <PriceChild> we're getting there...
[01:11] <PriceChild> ok key sorted out :)
[01:11] <PriceChild> now to do revu
[01:12] <nixternal> dput revu *_source.changes
[01:13] <PriceChild> Could the REVU admins re-sync the REVU uploaders keyring please?
[01:13] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: ^
[01:13] <PriceChild> he he :P
[01:13] <PriceChild> ty Hobbsee :)
[01:13] <PriceChild> I can just tell that after all of this.. my package is gonna get flamed out :) :P
[01:13] <joejaxx> where does ubuntu keep its core dumps?
[01:13] <joejaxx> near the binary?
[01:14] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: unlikely
[01:14] <PriceChild> I hope not :)
[01:14] <joejaxx> core dumps of applications
[01:14] <joejaxx> rather
[01:14] <PriceChild> what with master Hobbsee by my side :)
[01:14] <Hobbsee> joejaxx: /var/cache/crash or something?  somewhere in /var
[01:14] <joejaxx> ok
[01:14] <StevenK> /var/cache/approx, I think.
[01:15] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: heh.   i can still nitpick :P
[01:15] <PriceChild> :)
[01:15] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: trust me, revu stuff gets very picked over a lot before it gets uploaded
[01:15] <PriceChild> yeah :)
[01:15] <PriceChild> it has to be :)
[01:18] <PriceChild> ping: ajmitch
[01:18] <ajmitch> yes?
[01:18] <PriceChild> hey could you resync the REVU uploaders keyring please?
[01:19] <ajmitch> have you joined the team on launchpad?
[01:19] <PriceChild> yup
[01:19] <PriceChild> you can even have LaserJock's doc hat in return... :P
[01:20] <ajmitch> no thanks
[01:20] <PriceChild> fine :)
[01:20] <crimsun> gotta maintain our mere mortal status.
[01:21] <PriceChild> :)
[01:22] <PriceChild> :)
[01:22] <Hobbsee> crimsun: i thought you were a deity too?  or is that only bddebian?
[01:23] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: crimsun is beyond such things
[01:23] <crimsun> Hobbsee: the trinity is bddebian, laserjock, and imbrandon.
[01:23] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: ahhhh
[01:23] <Hobbsee> crimsun: heh
[01:23] <Hobbsee> bddebian: dream on.  oh, and get merging some more :P
[01:25] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: patience..
[01:25] <Fujitsu> (and a couple of my merges are waiting on new packages :P)
[01:26] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: But everybody wants the latest new crack NOW!
[01:27] <PriceChild> ajmitch: any news on revu sync?
[01:27] <ajmitch> PriceChild: patience...
[01:27] <PriceChild> sorry :)
[01:27] <ajmitch> it takes awhile
[01:27] <PriceChild> i can imagine :)
[01:28] <PriceChild> Hobbsee...
[01:28] <PriceChild> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU says i should use "debuild -S -sa"
[01:28] <PriceChild> to include source...
[01:29] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: yep.   you do.  actually, i thought that it said the source was included by default
[01:29] <PriceChild> OK... so i should redo with -sa
[01:29] <Hobbsee> where it said original source included, at the end of the build
[01:29] <Hobbsee> you shouldnt need to, but check REVU when it gets there
[01:30] <PriceChild> "dpkg-genchanges: not including original source code in upload" appears half way through
[01:31] <PriceChild> that mean i should have used -sa ?
[01:31] <Hobbsee> hmm.  yes, you do need to then
[01:31] <PriceChild> he he ok :)
[01:33] <PriceChild> nope can't see anything with that
[01:34] <Hobbsee> odd
[01:34] <Hobbsee> i thoguth it was there
[01:34] <PriceChild> ok sorted
[01:34] <PriceChild> dpkg-genchanges: including full source code in upload
[01:35] <PriceChild> "dpkg-buildpackage (debuild emulation): source only, diff-only upload (original source NOT included)" was there before
[01:37] <Hobbsee> ahhh :)
[01:37] <Hobbsee> rofl @ the 4th comment.  i should try that :P
[01:37] <Hobbsee> http://blogs.smh.com.au/business/archives/2006/11/why_cant_we_all.html
[01:38] <PriceChild> the long one/
[01:39] <Hobbsee> yes
[01:39] <PriceChild> he he
[01:41] <PriceChild> that'sso great :)
[01:41] <PriceChild> I worked in EDS for a couple of weeks on work experience
[01:41] <PriceChild> several years ago... lol
[01:41] <PriceChild> i NEVER EVER want to work in an office ever again lol
[01:42] <Hobbsee> haha
[01:42] <PriceChild> Have you seen "The Office"?
[01:42] <PriceChild> and i'm talking the english version...
[01:42] <Hobbsee> mind you, the company was shoddy...so i played various bits of solitare :P
[01:42] <ajmitch> PriceChild: try & upload to revu now
[01:42] <Hobbsee> nope
[01:42] <PriceChild> the american office is good, just not up to the english standards
[01:42] <PriceChild> thankyou ajmitch
[01:44] <PriceChild> Ok... i have to chagne my /etc/dput.cf to make it go to revu....
[01:44] <PriceChild> but i have no dput file...
[01:44] <PriceChild> i'm guessing i don't have the required software installed
[01:46] <joejaxx> wow
[01:46] <joejaxx> gnome fails to load
[01:46] <joejaxx> all i get is the ubuntu wallpaper
[01:47] <PriceChild> uploading :)
[01:47] <PriceChild> Successfully uploaded packages.
[01:47] <PriceChild> Go team!!!
[01:47] <joejaxx> oh well as long as i have tty2+ssh and tty3+links i am ol for the moment
[01:47] <joejaxx> PriceChild: haha what are you uploading? :)
[01:48] <PriceChild> We've finally got xvidcap packaged for feisty
[01:48] <PriceChild> lol
[01:48] <PriceChild> ok... newb question... where actually is revu?
[01:49] <Hobbsee> revu.tauware.de ?
[01:49] <Hobbsee> it should be in the !revu link
[01:49] <PriceChild> ty :)
[01:49] <joejaxx> bbl sudo sudo shutdown -r now :D
[01:51] <PriceChild> argh... trying to decrypt password...
[01:52] <Hobbsee> seems it hasnt hit REVU yet
[01:53] <PriceChild> still trying to recover password...
[01:53] <joejaxx> wow
[01:53] <PriceChild> I can't decrypt it :(
[01:53] <joejaxx> sudoshutdown -r now did not work i had to force shutdown
[01:53] <Hobbsee> so much to review :(
[01:53] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: review all of REVU, kthnksbye!
[01:53] <joejaxx> Hobbsee: how many packages a day do you all get?
[01:54] <Hobbsee> joejaxx: to review?
[01:54] <PriceChild> Could you help with this....
[01:54] <PriceChild> ahhhh....
[01:55] <PriceChild> its decrypting as "None" because the database hasn't caught up yet lol
[01:55] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: Noooooooo
[01:55] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: fun.
[01:55] <PriceChild> sorted now :)
[01:56] <Hobbsee> ahh, here it is
[01:56] <PriceChild> where is it...
[01:56] <PriceChild> wooo found it :D
[01:57] <Hobbsee> interesting
[01:57] <PriceChild> what?
[01:57] <PriceChild> what have i done :(
[01:57] <PriceChild> hmm its uploaded the dir as well...
[02:00] <ajmitch> PriceChild: no, it unpacks it so that people can look at it
[02:00] <PriceChild> Ah k :)
[02:00] <PriceChild> clever :)
[02:01] <ajmitch> +Package: xvidcaphitecture: any
[02:01] <ajmitch> glad that's in the control.save
[02:01] <ajmitch> mind cleaning up some of the extra files like that?
[02:02] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: there we go, i added a whole heap of stuff
[02:02] <Hobbsee> then ajmitch can go thru it with a fine tooth comb :P
[02:02] <ajmitch> I'm not good at reviewing
[02:02] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: sure you are, you pick up everything
[02:03] <ajmitch> lies, all lies
[02:03] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:03] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3467
[02:04] <PriceChild> Thanks Hobbsee :)
[02:04] <PriceChild> just reading :)
[02:04] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: refresh it?
[02:05] <PriceChild> yeah i've got it :)
[02:05] <PriceChild> uu and another one
[02:05] <PriceChild> you're too generous :)
[02:05] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:05] <Hobbsee> (you dont need the original ones, really)
[02:05] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: see what i mean about being nitpicky?
[02:05] <PriceChild> its constructive :)
[02:05] <PriceChild> ok
[02:06] <PriceChild> so can i get rid of all the makefile stuff in debian
[02:06] <PriceChild> but NOT the rest of the dir...?
[02:08] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: what/where is compat?
[02:09] <ajmitch> debian/compat
[02:10] <PriceChild> he he figures ;)
[02:10] <Hobbsee> time for work
[02:10] <Hobbsee> bye!
[02:11] <PriceChild> he he
[02:11] <PriceChild> ajmitch... care help me fix some of Hobbsee's issues? I'm not sure where I'm meant to mention that I had to repack the original tarball
[02:12] <PriceChild> or anyone else that's around?
[02:46] <PriceChild> Could anyone help me refine my package?
[02:50] <PriceChild> Anyone?
[02:50] <pygi> PriceChild: perhaps
[02:50] <PriceChild> I just two things :)
[02:50] <PriceChild> yay :)
[02:50] <PriceChild> ok
[02:50] <pygi> PriceChild: but it's very late, as in 2:51am
[02:50] <PriceChild> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3467
[02:51] <PriceChild> 1:50 here :(
[02:51] <PriceChild> " Please mention that you had to repack the original tarball, due to an upstream debian/ dir " - where should i put this?
[02:51] <pygi> PriceChild: k, so what you need?
[02:51] <pygi> PriceChild: changelog
[02:51] <PriceChild> ok
[02:51] <PriceChild> and also
[02:51] <PriceChild> "In debian/rules, thats a very odd way to patch things - why not use the standard patching stuff? See http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/patch-rules"
[02:51] <PriceChild> so should i just replace the entire rules script with the one from that link?
[02:52] <PriceChild> those rules in there atm are what came from the author...
[02:52] <pygi> dunno, haven't looked at your rules :)
[02:52] <PriceChild> he he :)
[02:53] <pygi> PriceChild: note that most upstream entries for building packages are bad
[02:53] <pygi> unless they are debian/ubuntu developers, or good contributors, whatever ^_^
[02:53] <pygi> PriceChild: I could take more look at that once I wake up if it's not urgent?
[02:53] <PriceChild> not urgent.... I'd just like to get it done :)
[02:54] <PriceChild> thanks for your help :)
[02:54] <PriceChild> much appreciated
[02:54] <pygi> PriceChild: no worries ^_^
[02:54] <pygi> PriceChild: could you just paste me a changelog somewhere pls for a sec?
[02:54] <PriceChild> the changelog in my package?
[02:55] <pygi> PriceChild: yup
[02:55] <minghua> PriceChild: are you patching anything at all?  I am completely confused by your debian/rules
[02:55] <pygi> PriceChild: and btw. that patch-rules are just examples ^_^
[02:55] <pygi> PriceChild: paste me rules also
[02:55] <pygi> minghua: :P
[02:55] <PriceChild> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32452/ that's the changelog
[02:55] <minghua> PriceChild: also you probably don't want Makefile.am and Makefile.in in debian/ directory
[02:55] <PriceChild> I've removed those
[02:56] <pygi> PriceChild: why different mail in changelog, and in control?
[02:56] <pygi> oh, original maintainer
[02:56] <PriceChild> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32453/ that's rules
[02:56] <pygi> sec, lemme read more
[02:56] <PriceChild> pygi: this package is extremely odd... has been hell go get this far :)
[02:56] <PriceChild> baptism of fire :)
[02:57] <crimsun> now you know why bddebian, laserjock, and imbrandon are deities.
[02:57] <PriceChild> ?
[02:57] <crimsun> see what you just typed.
[02:57] <PriceChild> still confused
[02:58] <pygi> PriceChild: what are you patching? cannot see any patches (but once again, didn't saw the package), and it's odd :-/
[02:58] <PriceChild> i don't think i'm patching anything.... :S
[02:59] <PriceChild> Ok...
[02:59] <PriceChild> from the start....
[02:59] <PriceChild> on xvidcap's SF page they offer a deb and a tar.gz
[02:59] <PriceChild> the tar.gz contains the debian folder
[02:59] <PriceChild> its not really a proper orig
[02:59] <pygi> you should contact author and tell him not to provide such things :)
[03:00] <PriceChild> I did
[03:00] <PriceChild> he said tough... this is how to use it
[03:00] <PriceChild> so with help from Hobbsee I've sorted things out
[03:00] <PriceChild> and got everything we need
[03:00] <PriceChild> I've kept most of his debian folder as Hobbsee thought it was okish... changing whatever i've needed to
[03:00] <pygi> right, well PriceChild, I'd recommend reading on patch-rules, to get idea how patching is done
[03:01] <PriceChild> lol
[03:01] <pygi> altought no idea what you are patching/or not right now
[03:01] <PriceChild> do i even need it?
[03:01] <PriceChild> Hobbsee's been following me... and she thinks i should...
[03:01] <PriceChild> In debian/rules, thats a very odd way to patch things - why not use the standard patching stuff? See http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/patch-rules
[03:01] <pygi> PriceChild: I saw ^_^
[03:02] <PriceChild> So i'm wondering if i should just change the rules i have with the ones fromt hat site
[03:02] <pygi> PriceChild: well, if you'r gonna include some patches =)
[03:02] <pygi> PriceChild: you cant just replace :)
[03:02] <PriceChild> he he ok
[03:02] <pygi> PriceChild: that's just an example :)
[03:02] <PriceChild> I haven't got any patches as far as i know...
[03:02] <PriceChild> its just wierd how she suggested "why not just use" if I can't use it
[03:03] <pygi> I'd rather suggest you keep some patching mechanism in place, not to fix that package later
[03:03] <pygi> PriceChild: dunno, ask her
[03:03] <pygi> PriceChild: she was always smarter then me :P
[03:03] <PriceChild> ha ha :)
[03:03] <PriceChild> hmm ok
[03:03] <PriceChild> Well maybe i should leave it as is for the night
[03:03] <pygi> PriceChild: but as I see it, you can't use it "out of the box" :)
[03:04] <minghua> PriceChild: also, I believe you can ask your questions in the REVU comments
[03:04] <PriceChild> as in i can't use the patching thing she gave me out of the box?
[03:04] <minghua> PriceChild: that way you don't need to catch the commenter on IRC
[03:04] <PriceChild> Shall i upload everything I've fixed.... which is everything but this one issue....
[03:04] <pygi> PriceChild: right :)
[03:04] <PriceChild> and make the cmment
[03:04] <PriceChild> *comment
[03:07] <PriceChild> Ok i've reuploaded with the one change missing
[03:07] <PriceChild> which I can ask for help with while people nitpick abotu everything else that is wrong with it :)
[03:10] <Toadstool> hiya!
[03:11] <PriceChild> hi
[03:11] <Toadstool> hey PriceChild
[03:11] <PriceChild> :)
[03:25] <PriceChild> All sorted
[03:25] <PriceChild> well almost :)
[04:01] <psusi> how long does it usually take for uploads to get built and listed on packages.ubuntu.com?
[04:05] <crimsun> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/defrag/0.73pjm1-8ubuntu1 lists successfully built on i386
[04:05] <crimsun> packages.ubuntu.com does not sync as often as you might like.
[04:05] <crimsun> (and never when you really need it to ;-)
[04:24] <psusi> kick ass
[04:24] <psusi> what about amd64?
[04:27] <psusi> buit on amd64 just fine for me
[04:35] <psusi> wha?
[04:35] <psusi> this is weird
[04:35] <psusi> it built on amd64 but not ia64
[04:44] <psusi> is there a way to have build daemons attempt to build a package just for debugging purposes, and not have it go into the archive?
[04:45] <psusi> i.e. I want to try and fix the warnings causing build failure on these other architectures, but I don't have them here to test building on, and I'd hate to make 3 uploads before finally getting it right
[04:45] <crimsun> no, but you can set up an sbuild locally.
[04:46] <psusi> sbuild?
[04:47] <chillywilly> how does that help if he doesn't have the archs locally?
[04:47] <crimsun> (what the buildds use)
[04:47] <psusi> ohh... that's different than pbuilder?
[04:47] <crimsun> yes.
[04:47] <psusi> and yea, how does that help without the machine to run it on?
[04:47] <chillywilly> get shell access ;)
[04:47] <crimsun> if you're that pressed, you can either bug lamont, or use qemu
[04:48] <crimsun> s|bug|beg|
[04:48] <psusi> qemu only does i386 I thought?
[04:48] <crimsun> does it?
[04:48] <psusi> beg lamont for what?
[04:48] <crimsun> access to an ia64 machine.
[04:48] <psusi> ahhhh
[04:48] <chillywilly> I think qemu does other archs
[04:48] <psusi> hrm....
[04:49] <psusi> I thoguht it was only i386, but I'll check into that
[04:49] <chillywilly> look at the changelog on the website
[04:49] <chillywilly> seems lots of arch support has been added
[04:49] <chillywilly> of other archs
[04:50] <Toadstool> hmm.. is there something wrong with the +packages page on LP? I get a timeout error
[04:51] <psusi> hrm... can't pull up the changelog on lp?
[04:56] <joejaxx> hello all i am trying to see if i should package my application ie is it useful to anyone other than me lol
[04:56] <joejaxx> it is basically chroot+versioning
[04:57] <psusi> looks like ia64 qemu support is still in development
[04:58] <psusi> I gues I'll have to beg lamont for ia64 shell access... where can I find him?
[05:01] <joejaxx> and you can have multiple chroots
[05:01] <joejaxx> snapshots of them
[05:02] <joejaxx> hmm guess not
[05:02] <psusi> I'd upload it to revu
[05:02] <joejaxx> psusi: well i mean
[05:02] <psusi> and post on the mailing lists asking for testers and feedback
[05:03] <joejaxx> i am not going to package it if i am the only one that needs chroot environment+versioning
[05:03] <psusi> why not?
[05:04] <joejaxx> because no else needs it if that is the case
[05:04] <joejaxx> lol
[05:05] <psusi> even if nobody else wants it, it's handy for yourself to have it packaged... and the easiest way to get others to try it is to package it
[05:05] <joejaxx> psusi: yeah i guess
[07:30] <Hobbsee> hey all
[07:30] <Hobbsee> hey ajmitch
[07:30] <LaserJock> I was afraid the Universe would implode or something when I say crimsun had quit
[07:30] <LaserJock> s/say/saw/
[07:30] <ajmitch> LaserJock: not possible
[07:30] <ajmitch> crimsun *can't* quit
[07:31] <LaserJock> I'm glad it was only a temporary imbalance in the force
[07:31] <ajmitch> it was merely our perception of the reality of IRC
[07:31] <ajmitch> since he was still connected to freenode, but a different freenode to us
[07:32] <LaserJock> "there is no freenode"
[07:32] <ajmitch> OPN? :)
[07:32] <Mez> LaserJock, "you cannot bend the freenode, just let the freenode bend"
[07:34] <LaserJock> I just hope crimsun doesn't offer me any colored pills
[07:34] <Mez> Take the BLUE one
[07:34] <Mez> the BLUE one!!!! :P
[07:34] <joejaxx> haha
[07:35] <elkbuntu> "sorry, i dont do drugs" :
[07:35] <Hobbsee> nah, not in the mood for that
[07:35] <Mez> elkbuntu, drugs are bad, mmk ?
[07:35] <elkbuntu> ;)
[07:36] <Mez> Hobbsee, purple pills! I want one!
[07:36] <joejaxx> lol
[07:36] <Hobbsee> Mez: me too!
[07:36] <Mez> crimsun, do you have any polka dot pills?
[07:36] <Mez> crimsun, or any pacdots?
[07:36] <ajmitch> elkbuntu: so where are those incriminating photos of jono?
[07:36] <joejaxx> pacodts :P
[07:36] <joejaxx> bah
[07:36] <joejaxx> pacdots
[07:36] <LaserJock> ajmitch: look on planet.gnome.org
[07:36] <joejaxx> ajmitch: on the internet lol
[07:37] <ajmitch> LaserJock: I'm sure they're not all there
[07:37] <LaserJock> ajmitch: no, but there is 1
[07:37] <LaserJock> and some other good UDS ones
[07:37] <ajmitch> aha, kikidonk to the rescue! :)
[07:39] <joejaxx> LOl the jono bottle dance
[07:39] <elkbuntu> bahahaha...
[07:39] <elkbuntu> my bottle dance photo is better, if lacking clarity
[07:40] <ajmitch> elkbuntu: as he was drinking?
[07:40] <elkbuntu> ajmitch, no... a bit more obviously dancing
[07:41] <ajmitch> elkbuntu: the two are not mutually exclusive :)
[07:42] <ajmitch> hm, a photo with me in it - that's rare
[07:42] <LaserJock> really? I didn't see one
[07:42] <elkbuntu> heh. i got several of your back
[07:42] <ajmitch> LaserJock: http://www.flickr.com/photos/kikidonk/298871717/in/set-72157594378965670/
[07:43] <LaserJock> I always like playing "Where's Mitchie?"
[07:43] <ajmitch> hah
[07:43] <LaserJock> dholbach is so photogenic
[07:43] <ajmitch> always
[07:43] <joejaxx> lol
[07:44] <LaserJock> so smiley
[07:44] <ajmitch> seems that every photo of jono here has him drinking
[07:44] <Mez> dholbach is sexah
[07:44] <StevenK> ajmitch: Read his blog, jono says he has been out drinking for 2 weeks straight now. :-)
[07:44] <ajmitch> StevenK: I could believe that
[07:45] <elkbuntu> hehe
[07:45] <TheMuso> Hey all.
[07:45] <ajmitch> I wonder if canonical will cover costs of a liver transplant
[07:45] <StevenK> Muahaha
[07:45] <ajmitch> hey TheMuso
[07:45] <Mez> StevenK, however, jono is a lightweight
[07:45] <StevenK> Mez: Oh?
[07:46] <Mez> StevenK, apparently he was outdrunk by jorge castro
[07:46] <StevenK> Ah.
[07:46] <elkbuntu> haha, yes, quite.
[07:47] <ajmitch> poor jono
[07:49] <elkbuntu> im thinking i should put up my version now
[07:49] <joejaxx> elkbuntu: haha
[07:49] <joejaxx> :P
[07:49] <joejaxx> hmm
[07:49] <joejaxx> fluxbox (0.9.14-2)
[07:49] <elkbuntu> anyone disagree?
[07:49] <joejaxx> if there was a first ubuntu modification
[07:49] <joejaxx> whould it be
[07:49] <joejaxx> 0.9.14-2ubuntu1?
[07:49] <ajmitch> 0.9.14-2ubuntu1
[07:49] <joejaxx> ah ok:)
[07:49] <ajmitch> elkbuntu: please do so
[07:51] <StevenK> elkbuntu: And then link it here.
[07:51] <StevenK> elkbuntu: Or I might be forced to drive over there and see it for myself.
[07:51] <elkbuntu> StevenK, you ever doubted i would?
[07:51] <ajmitch> StevenK: that's not a short drive
[07:51] <StevenK> It isn't?
[07:51] <joejaxx> Lol
[07:52] <ajmitch> well it's a bit shorter than if I were to drive
[07:52] <ajmitch> surely you're not that desperate to see photos?
[07:52] <StevenK> ajmitch: Aside from the fact that you can't?
[07:52] <ajmitch> StevenK: minor details
[07:52] <StevenK> Meeting elkbuntu is also a reason. :-P
[07:53] <StevenK> dpkg-deb: building package `aircrack' in `../aircrack_0.6.2-3ubuntu1_all.deb'.
[07:53] <StevenK> Hooray!
[07:53] <ajmitch> yay crack!
[07:53] <Hobbsee> its lying
[07:53] <elkbuntu> StevenK, i intend to get as far as your part of this rock for LCA... i'm *hoping* to anyway
[07:53] <joejaxx> StevenK: oh no lool
[07:53] <ajmitch> shame I may not make it for LCA
[07:53] <joejaxx> StevenK: wait until pbuilder fails :)
[07:53] <StevenK> That was a pbuilder.
[07:53] <joejaxx> :P
[07:54] <StevenK> elkbuntu: Hum. I thought you were Sydney. Oh, well.
[07:54] <elkbuntu> hah. not quite. Albury
[07:54] <ajmitch> hence my comment
[07:54] <StevenK> Hrrm, Albury is no fun.
[07:55] <elkbuntu> im at least in the right state :)
[07:55] <StevenK> elkbuntu: Heh. :-)
[07:56] <elkbuntu> i regret to admit however, i was born the other side of the border. wodonga had the obstetrics monopoly at the time
[07:56] <StevenK> Heh
[07:56] <StevenK> elkbuntu: I won't hold it against you. :-)
[07:57] <Mez> StevenK, that sounds like a dodgy chat up line
[07:58] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: run.
[07:58] <Hobbsee> :P
[07:58] <elkbuntu> rofl
[07:59] <elkbuntu> seems so
[07:59] <StevenK> Hence why he's now hiding in .nz?
[08:00] <ajmitch> recovering
[08:00] <LaserJock> mhm
[08:00] <LaserJock> Aussie overdose
[08:00] <TheMuso> I've only had the privelage of meeting StevenK and Hobbsee so far.
[08:01] <StevenK> I daresay meeting me isn't a privledge.
[08:01] <joejaxx> ajmitch: oh by the way what do you think of grsecurity?
[08:01] <joejaxx> Mez: the blue pill
[08:02] <Mez> the PURPLE pill ;)
[08:02] <joejaxx> Lol
[08:03] <joejaxx> oh shoot
[08:03] <ajmitch> joejaxx: run far away
[08:04] <joejaxx> ajmitch: away from grsec?
[08:04] <TheMuso> StevenK: Why not? I certainly think it is.
[08:04] <ajmitch> joejaxx: the author's a certified nut
[08:05] <ajmitch> it'll never be in the mainstream kernel, for one
[08:05] <joejaxx> ajmitch: oh wow
[08:05] <StevenK> TheMuso: I'm one of these lovely people that doesn't have a high opinion of himself.
[08:05] <joejaxx> ajmitch: is the concept behind it that bad?
[08:05] <elkbuntu> joejaxx, and have kurt stop you from killing a bus driver
[08:06] <joejaxx> haha yes and kurt
[08:06] <TheMuso> StevenK: Well that is a shame.
[08:06] <joejaxx> lol
[08:06] <joejaxx> elkbuntu: that bus ride was hilarious rofl
[08:06] <elkbuntu> i wasnt on it, but the storyteller has skill
[08:06] <joejaxx> yes it was REALLY funny
[08:07] <ajmitch> joejaxx: which bus ride was that one?
[08:07] <joejaxx> ajmitch: well it was the one where the bus driver was talking about his wife
[08:07] <ajmitch> joejaxx: grsec author refuses to integrate with the lsm hooks, for one
[08:08] <ajmitch> joejaxx: ok, so not the one where the bus driver took us on the scenic tour for about 45 minutes as he got lost
[08:08] <StevenK> ajmitch: They don't trust the LSM hooks?
[08:08] <joejaxx> ajmitch: and about how she used to be a Mann (ie the last name before he married her)
[08:08] <ajmitch> StevenK: more like projectile vomiting, head spinning sort of reaction
[08:08] <StevenK> Hah
[08:09] <joejaxx> ajmitch: no not that one haha
[08:09] <joejaxx> its alive its alive! fluxbox that is
[08:09] <joejaxx> hopeuflly pbuilder does not complain
[08:10] <joejaxx> hello Burgundavia
[08:10] <Burgundavia> hey joejaxx
[08:10] <whiprush> hi guys.
[08:11] <ajmitch> hey whiprush
[08:11] <whiprush> joejaxx: dang dude, I saw you at UDS and I never introduced myself.
[08:11] <whiprush> hi ajmitch
[08:11] <Burgundavia> whiprush: NM hates me
[08:11] <ajmitch> slacker
[08:11] <joejaxx> whiprush: really?
[08:11] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: how do I test if dbus is up or not?
[08:11] <whiprush> joejaxx: yeah, I was the fat hispanic guy hanging around ajmitch
[08:11] <whiprush> Burgundavia: NM?
[08:11] <joejaxx> whiprush: oh ok
[08:11] <Burgundavia> whiprush: network manager
[08:12] <whiprush> Burgundavia: welcome to the club?
[08:12] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: hard to say, depends if it wants the session or system bus
[08:12] <ajmitch> dbus is a nightmare
[08:12] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: update-manager says to me: warning: could not initiate dbus
[08:12] <Burgundavia> and I am having NM reconnect every 5 minutes
[08:12] <ajmitch> probably fixed by logging out & back in
[08:13] <StevenK> NM also uses dbus.
[08:13] <ajmitch> or rebooting :)
[08:13] <ajmitch> the whole world uses dbus
[08:13] <Burgundavia> I just rebooted
[08:13] <Burgundavia> it didn't fix it
[08:13] <ajmitch> "modprobe dbus"
[08:13] <Burgundavia> dbus needs to deal with itself dying, period
[08:13] <whiprush> ajmitch: so dude you think desktop drapes is doable for feisty in universe?
[08:13] <ajmitch> whiprush: sure, why not?
[08:13] <whiprush> ajmitch: rock on.
[08:13] <Burgundavia> now that we are finally at 1.0, that better be something they fix
[08:14] <whiprush> Burgundavia: 1.0.1, see planet.
[08:14] <elkbuntu> http://www.geekosophical.net/?p=42
[08:14] <elkbuntu> StevenK, --^
[08:14] <Burgundavia> whiprush: ya, saw that
[08:14] <ajmitch> elkbuntu: pity it's so grainy
[08:14] <elkbuntu> i know
[08:14] <elkbuntu> it's a crap camera
[08:14] <StevenK> elkbuntu: Yay
[08:14] <whiprush> ajmitch: you mentioned some packaging issues the last time we talked, you have them on bzr someplace? the author is keen of making the fixes upstream.
[08:14] <joejaxx> elkbuntu: rofl
[08:15] <whiprush> hi elkbuntu!
[08:15] <elkbuntu> whiprush, someone gave me an excuse to post it! yay!
[08:15] <joejaxx> elkbuntu: that is funny
[08:15] <joejaxx> :P
[08:16] <StevenK> Heh
[08:16] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: it appears that the session bus is fine
[08:17] <ajmitch> whiprush: nope, haven't made any changes
[08:17] <Burgundavia> maybe my system bus is toast
[08:17] <whiprush> ajmitch: wasn't it all wrong wrt the ubuntu cli policy?
[08:17] <ajmitch> whiprush: sure, but I haven't made any changes
[08:17] <whiprush> oh oh
[08:18] <StevenK> ajmitch: Heathen!
[08:18] <whiprush> ajmitch: if you commit we can adopt those changes upstream.
[08:18] <whiprush> author is more than willing to make it work(tm) for MOTU
[08:18] <ajmitch> StevenK: sorry?
[08:18] <StevenK> ajmitch: Installing Vista
[08:18] <ajmitch> StevenK: oh it's already installed
[08:18] <ajmitch> has been for awhile in vmware
[08:18] <StevenK> Oh dear.
[08:19] <whiprush> ajmitch: we're just not very familiar with ubuntu mono stuff, so we just kind of copied and pasted from other packages
[08:19] <ajmitch> whiprush: tell me which packages, they'll probably need fixed
[08:19] <whiprush> ajmitch: I'm talking about the drapes package.
[08:20] <whiprush> last we talked you were looking at it and you mentioned something about not being conformant to the ubuntu mono standard.
[08:21] <ajmitch> whiprush: yes, I understand that
[08:21] <ajmitch> but you just said you copied breakage from elsewhere
[08:21] <whiprush> oh, I must have mispoke.
[08:21] <whiprush> what I meant to say was that we probably copied breakage from elsewhere.
[08:22] <whiprush> aka ... we did the "what deps do other mono packages have?"
[08:22] <whiprush> and then probably just copied and pasted those.
[08:23] <ajmitch> aha
[08:25] <whiprush> ajmitch: so basically, when my student wrote the program I was like "find another mono program and just copy their packaging, we'll figure out the rest later."
 DiscoverStation ships with w32codecs
[08:37] <whiprush> ajmitch: Should I go wake him up? he's sleeping on one of my couches. :)
[08:37] <ajmitch> whiprush: just that it needs a few things like having automake, etc run
[08:37] <ajmitch> haha
[08:37] <whiprush> Burgundavia: in the US?
[08:37] <Burgundavia> whiprush: oh yes
[08:37] <whiprush> ajmitch: we had poker nite here, he's all passed out.
[08:38] <ajmitch> nah, I'm heading downstairs to cook some dinner in a couple of minutes
[08:38] <whiprush> Burgundavia: wow, nice one.
[08:38] <ajmitch> I'll harass him later
[08:38] <Burgundavia> holly crap: http://distrowatch.com/index.php?dataspan=1
[08:38] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: that is worrying
[08:38] <Burgundavia> look at where Mint is
[08:38] <whiprush> ajmitch: he's "dem" on #gnome-hackers
[08:38] <ajmitch> k
[08:39] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: worrying
[08:39] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: very worrying.  :D
[08:39] <ajmitch> whiprush: I've been a tutor at uni, don't worry :)
[08:39] <joejaxx> Linux Mint is based outof ireland
[08:39] <whiprush> ajmitch: :d
[08:39] <whiprush> LINUX MINT!!!
[08:41] <joejaxx> the problem i see with these derivatives is that they do not really work closely with the ubuntu community
[08:41] <joejaxx> its like
[08:41] <joejaxx> ubuntu is here
[08:42] <joejaxx> and these derivatives are on planet number 10
[08:42] <ajmitch> few derivatives do work closely
[08:42] <joejaxx> yeah
[08:42] <ajmitch> do you have any of your fluxbuntu stuff in yet?
[08:43] <joejaxx> ajmitch: nope stillworking on it
[08:43] <joejaxx> the problem that is going to arise is
[08:43] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: it does, it's quite sensible
[08:43] <joejaxx> i cannot include the fluxbuntu configuration files
[08:43] <joejaxx> without rebuilding rox-filer, fluxbox and wdm
[08:44] <ajmitch> why can't you?
[08:44] <ajmitch> because they can't have things set at runtime?
[08:44] <ajmitch> or what is the issue?
[08:44] <joejaxx> ajmitch: well i have configuration files and according to what laserjock told me
[08:45] <joejaxx> i cannot have a default-settings package
[08:45] <joejaxx> overwritten the configuration files of wdm, rox and fluxbox
[08:45] <LaserJock> well, I didn't say you couldn't have one
[08:45] <joejaxx> which goes against debian policy
[08:45] <joejaxx> :)
[08:47] <joejaxx> so i actually have no idea what i am going to do when fluxbuntu-* gets into universe
[08:47] <Hobbsee> what's hte problem with having a default-settings package?
[08:47] <Hobbsee> handle it however kubuntu does it
[08:47] <joejaxx> Hobbsee: they probably rebuild the kde packages
[08:48] <joejaxx> i guess
[08:48] <joejaxx> i do not think i can do that
[08:48] <ajmitch> joejaxx: diversions, alternatives, etc
[08:48] <joejaxx> for universe
[08:49] <joejaxx> ajmitch: ?
[08:50] <joejaxx> well the fluxbox package built without a problem
[08:50] <Hobbsee> joejaxx: is a motu?
[08:50] <joejaxx> nope
[08:50] <joejaxx> my own repository
[08:51] <ajmitch> joejaxx: did you get your key signed at UDS?
[08:51] <joejaxx> no i did not
[08:51] <ajmitch> a shame
[08:51] <joejaxx> yeah
[08:51] <LaserJock> joejaxx: why not?!?
[08:51] <ajmitch> perfect opportunity to do so
[08:51] <joejaxx> it is quite unfortunate
[08:51] <Hobbsee> ah
[08:52] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: KDE uses cascading config dirs
[08:52] <ajmitch> is there anyone around who can sign your key still who will be trusted?
[08:52] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: i thought it might.
[08:52] <joejaxx> ajmitch: you mean in nj?
[08:52] <joejaxx> no i do not think so
[08:52] <ajmitch> joejaxx: wherever you are..
[08:53] <ajmitch> you really should have tried to get it signed at UDS
[08:53] <joejaxx> i was one of two people from nj
[08:53] <ajmitch> surely there'll be a DD within range
[08:53] <LaserJock> yeah
[08:53] <ajmitch> nj isn't that big :)
[08:53] <joejaxx> nope
[08:53] <joejaxx> checked
[08:53] <joejaxx> no one in nj
[08:54] <ajmitch> hard to believe
[08:54] <ajmitch> considering that there are 5 DDs in this city
[08:54] <joejaxx> unless that page has updated since someone posted the link in this channel
[08:55] <joejaxx> NC
[08:56] <joejaxx> NM
[08:56] <joejaxx> no nj
[08:56] <joejaxx> lol
[08:56] <Mez> joejaxx, why didnt you get it signed at UDS?
[08:56] <ajmitch> hm, jaldhar_ may be NJ
[08:56] <ajmitch> & he lurks in this channel too
[08:56] <joejaxx> Mez: because i was not actually thinking about getting my key signed while i was there
[08:57] <joejaxx> i was more focused on the specs
[08:57] <Mez> joejaxx, you shoulda poked ajmitch - he's usually willing (specially when he's just had to create a new key!)
[08:57] <joejaxx> lol
[08:57] <LaserJock> poor joejaxx
[08:57] <Mez> didnt they have a keysigning party ?
[08:57] <ajmitch> Mez: no, too many people
[08:57] <joejaxx> it is quite alright
[08:57] <Mez> ajmitch, ah, i thought with mako there and all,
[08:57] <Mez> he usually likes a lot of signing
[08:58] <LaserJock> well, he was going to do one
[08:58] <joejaxx> by the time i will need my key signed there will probably be another opportunity
[08:58] <Mez> joejaxx, UDSfeisty+1
[08:58] <ajmitch> joejaxx: you may need it signed to be a MOTU
[08:59] <joejaxx> well yes
[08:59] <joejaxx> but i do not think i am at that point yet
[09:00] <ajmitch> I hope you will be soon
[09:00] <ajmitch> best to get this fluxbuntu stuff in asap
[09:01] <joejaxx> oh ok
[09:02] <LaserJock> mhm
[09:02] <LaserJock> that's what I did
[09:02] <Simon80> anyone in toronto or vaughan areas that want to sign a key?
[09:02] <Mez> thats what I did
[09:02] <Mez> before I http://www.biglumber.com/x/web?qs=toronto
[09:02] <joejaxx> ajmitch: yeah probably so
[09:02] <Simon80> Mez: I know, but just wondering
[09:02] <joejaxx> the problem is
[09:02] <Mez> before I lost my key :D
[09:03] <joejaxx> we are nowhere near final
[09:03] <LaserJock> joejaxx: doesn't matter really
[09:03] <Mez> and Keybuk#
[09:04] <joejaxx> LaserJock: but it means the seeds and packages will change alot
[09:04] <joejaxx> until we get to final
[09:04] <LaserJock> still good to get them in the repo
[09:04] <LaserJock> get testing, etc.
[09:05] <joejaxx> hmm
[09:19] <joejaxx> LaserJock: fluxbuntu users are crazy haha http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=301689
[09:19] <joejaxx> :P
[09:20] <ajmitch> yeah I saw that one & cringed
[09:20] <joejaxx> yeah
[09:21] <minghua> anybody using aptitude in feisty?
[09:21] <ajmitch> minghua: sure
[09:22] <minghua> ajmitch: do you see bug 72012 and bug 72112?
[09:22] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 72012 in aptitude "aptitude pegs cpu for extended period of time on startup (again)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/72012
[09:22] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 72112 in aptitude ""initalizing package status" process so slowly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/72112
[09:22] <minghua> this is really annoying here when I want to do some MOTU work
[09:23] <StevenK> Use a chroot like most people do this early? :-P
[09:23] <joejaxx> hmm i need a jbuilder feisty chroot
[09:24] <StevenK> What's jbuilder? :-P
[09:24] <ajmitch> minghua: nope
[09:24] <joejaxx> my application
[09:24] <StevenK> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 74M 2006-11-18 17:25 /var/cache/pbuilder/base-feisty-amd64.tgz
[09:24] <ajmitch> minghua: runs perfectly fine for me on the laptop & desktop
[09:24] <StevenK> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 74M 2006-11-18 17:26 /var/cache/pbuilder/base-feisty-i386.tgz
[09:24] <joejaxx> StevenK: chroot+versioning
[09:24] <zakame> afternoon MOTUs!
[09:25] <minghua> there should be some trigger to this aptitude slowdown, then
[09:25] <ajmitch> StevenK: some of us just decided to upgrade anyway
[09:25] <StevenK> joejaxx: I use a few wrappers around pbuilder, works well.
[09:25] <siretart> morning
[09:25] <zakame> hi siretart
[09:25] <joejaxx> StevenK: not for what i do
[09:25] <siretart> ajmitch: I just the removed the (broken) trac installation from tiber
[09:26] <StevenK> I have one to build, one to upgrade and one to login. What else do you need to do?
[09:26] <joejaxx> StevenK: i had to write my own to aide me in building livecds from scratch
[09:26] <siretart> ajmitch: we now use launchpad anyway
[09:26] <joejaxx> you cannot build livecd's in a pbuilder environment
[09:26] <StevenK> joejaxx: Ah. Live CDs I haven't touched.
[09:26] <joejaxx> its fun
[09:27] <joejaxx> :)
[09:27] <ajmitch> hey siretart
[09:27] <zakame> should be extra fun
[09:27] <joejaxx> zakame: yeah it is
[09:27] <ajmitch> siretart: I don't think any of us used trac there :)
[09:28] <joejaxx> especially when things do not work they way you want them to :P
[09:28] <zakame> right
[09:30] <joejaxx> nice it finished
[09:31] <joejaxx> ajmitch: yeah pretty much
[09:32] <joejaxx> i do not get how they are on distrowatch already
[09:32] <joejaxx> there is supposed to be a 90 days period before you get on there lol
[09:32] <whiprush> joejaxx: crack-of-the-day
[09:33] <Burgundavia> joejaxx: they likely paid for advertising
[09:33] <Burgundavia> that is how Ubuntu ce did it
[09:34] <joejaxx> Burgundavia: oh ok
[09:34] <joejaxx> whiprush: lol
[09:34] <joejaxx> interesting
[09:35] <zakame> yo Hobbsee
[09:35] <minghua> I nuked my /var/lib/aptitude/, now it goes back to normal
[09:35] <joejaxx> minghua: i was doing feisty testing
[09:35] <minghua> but I lost all my "auto-installed" status :-(
[09:35] <joejaxx> until none of my input devices worked
[09:35] <Hobbsee> hey zakame
[09:35] <joejaxx> minghua: :\
[09:36] <minghua> the less of two evil, I suppose
[09:36] <joejaxx> minghua: all i could do what boot up to gdm haha
[09:36] <minghua> the "auto-installed" thing is not that important on a development system anyway
[09:36] <joejaxx> it was fine when i first dist-upgraded to it
[09:36] <joejaxx> but i guess the following updates killed  it
[09:36] <minghua> joejaxx: speaking of testing feisty, my box still refuse to boot by itself now
[09:37] <Hobbsee> haha
[09:37] <joejaxx> minghua: really?
[09:37] <Hobbsee> yes, me too
[09:37] <joejaxx> ajmitch: yes me too
[09:37] <minghua> I need to be dropped to an initramfs shell and give it a lift
[09:37] <minghua> joejaxx: yeah, no kidding
[09:37] <joejaxx> minghua: wow
[09:38] <ajmitch> minghua: oh that problem, I had that :)
[09:38] <joejaxx> i remember trying to fix my feisty install
[09:38] <joejaxx> boooting up on edgy live
[09:38] <minghua> That's what I said "now it doesn't boot after upgrade" a few days ago here
[09:38] <joejaxx> and mounting /dev/hda1 and chrooting in
[09:38] <minghua> anyway
[09:38] <ajmitch> took about 6 minutes of waiting, and 10 seconds of running the right script to get it to boot
[09:38] <sivang> morning all
[09:38] <Hobbsee> oh dear.  so i should not be dist-upgrading to feisty?
[09:38] <Hobbsee> hey sivang
[09:38] <joejaxx> Hobbsee: you already started?
[09:38] <sivang> Hobbsee: why not?
[09:38] <joejaxx> hello StevenK
[09:38] <joejaxx> bah
[09:39] <joejaxx> sivang:
[09:39] <Hobbsee> joejaxx: i'm on a live cd now, why not
[09:39] <Hobbsee> sivang: because it's broken?
[09:39] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: you know it's going to be broken in weird & wonderful ways
[09:39] <sivang> Hobbsee: what's broken in it?
[09:39] <joejaxx> Hobbsee: :)
[09:39] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: true
[09:39] <Hobbsee> sivang: see what ajmitch said
[09:39] <minghua> ajmitch: heh.  do you use LVM as well?
[09:39] <ajmitch> minghua: yes, LVM+RAID
[09:39] <sivang> ajmitch: are folks not able to boot?
[09:39] <LaserJock> my feisty is working fine
[09:39] <joejaxx> i should create another partition and debootstrap myself a mini feistyinstall
[09:39] <minghua> I don't have RAID, but I have root on LVM
[09:39] <Hobbsee> well, if it only wont boot on LVM+RAID, i'm not effected
[09:39] <Hobbsee> s/effected/affected/
[09:40] <ajmitch> took 3 minutes for RAID to come alive, and 3 minutes of waiting for root filesystem before I had to start LVM myself
[09:40] <sivang> there is a mdadm breakage, but after I remove it everything is fine (minus flashplugin-nonfree that is going to get sroted when a debconf issue is fixed in debian)
[09:41] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: raid
[09:41] <Hobbsee> ahh
[09:41] <sivang> ajmitch: there is some spec to make sure LVM plays nicely with upstart's event model,  maybe Scott has been naughty over the last couple of days? ;-)
[09:41] <ajmitch> sivang: no, scott hasn't touched it yet - I was at some of those bofs
[09:42] <sivang> ah, I see
[09:42] <siretart> Hobbsee: which bug are you talking about?
[09:42] <joejaxx> i need a filesystem that does dynamic resizing like with the vmware harddrive images
[09:42] <sivang> ajmitch: was it worth it btw to arrive at UDS yourself ? /me is curious if he should have sold some hardware to fund going htere ;)
[09:42] <Hobbsee> siretart: wasnt mentioning a specific one.  however, i'm hoping some of my bugs will be fixed
[09:42] <ajmitch> sivang: of course
[09:43] <sivang> ajmitch: damn! I know I could have done fine without my desktop and printer :p
[09:43] <LaserJock> who needs a printer?
[09:43] <joejaxx> LaserJock: when i submit fluxbuntu to universe i can then attach the packages to fluxbuntu on launchpad right?
[09:43] <sivang> LaserJock: indeed
[09:43] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: only a wimp
[09:43] <sivang> ajmitch: how come?
[09:43] <LaserJock> joejaxx: yeah
[09:43] <joejaxx> LaserJock: oh ok
[09:44] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: REAL people dont need printers.
[09:44] <joejaxx> LaserJock: i was not going to enable malone until they were in
[09:44] <sivang> write, they copy by hand
[09:44] <LaserJock> yeah, my lab mates aren't convinced
[09:44] <LaserJock> our color laserjet has been down for over a week
[09:44] <LaserJock> and they are kinda getting upset with me ;-)
[09:44] <joejaxx> oh wow
[09:44] <sivang> ajmitch: you mean you get it back by enjoying the experiencing and being able to influence where ubuntu is going? ;)
[09:45] <ajmitch> that too
[09:46] <joejaxx> bbl everyone
[09:46] <LaserJock> nah, he just wanted to get sloshed with the rest of the gang
[09:46] <ajmitch> haha
[09:46] <siretart> ajmitch: is your machine with root on lvm on raid running feisty already? known breakage?
[09:46] <LaserJock> and take super sekret pics of the inner working of Google
[09:46] <ajmitch> siretart: yes & yes
[09:46] <siretart> is there a bug number I could subscribe to?
[09:46] <ajmitch> siretart: at least fabbione knows about it on irc, I haven't submitted a bug
[09:47] <siretart> ok
[09:47] <siretart> upgrading to feisty delayed..
[09:47] <ajmitch> I don't know if it's just race conditions
[09:47] <ajmitch> but it's just timeouts in initramfs when loading things
[09:47] <ajmitch> I can still run the lvm script & have everything come up just fine
[09:48] <siretart> you mean out of the initramfs?
[09:48] <ajmitch> yes
[09:50] <minghua> ajmitch: if I want to report a bug, which package should it be against?
[09:51] <ajmitch> I was going to file one against mdadm, but it seems it's not just that?
[09:51] <Simon80> I tend to avoid using ubuntu unstable release, I just gave up and use gentoo when I get impatient
[09:51] <ajmitch> or are you using lvm+raid?
[09:51] <LaserJock> minghua: you're supposed to be fixing them, not creating more ;-p
[09:51] <Simon80> ....ubuntu is well ahead of gentoo in a few areas though,I'd say
[09:51] <Simon80> releases*
[09:52] <minghua> no I am not using RAID
[09:52] <minghua> only LVM
[09:52] <ajmitch> ok
[09:52] <minghua> so it's not likely mdadm's fault
[09:52] <ajmitch> then I don't know
[09:52] <ajmitch> since I'm using an edgy kernel still
[09:52] <minghua> LaserJock: I am pretty sure said bug belongs to main :-)
[09:53] <LaserJock> still
[09:53] <minghua> I'll look at my upgrade log then
[09:53] <minghua> this breakage happened without a kernel upgrade
[09:54] <minghua> so something writing to initrd is responsible
[09:54] <ajmitch> mdadm triggers update-initramfs
[09:54] <minghua> LaserJock: BTW did you looked bug 71851?  I can't reproduce
[09:54] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 71851 in xdrawchem "the program was closed unexpectedly" [Unknown,Unknown]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71851
[09:55] <minghua> the bug and patch looks quite reasonable though
[09:56] <LaserJock> minghua: I say we remove it from the archives :-0
[09:56] <palski> minghua: for me it happened everytime
[09:57] <LaserJock> works fine for me
[09:57] <minghua> palski: apparently it's a bit environment dependent :-(
[09:57] <LaserJock> is it a locale issue?
[10:01] <palski> minghua: Upstream haven't commented that patch at all, so I cannot say anything, but I thought hobbsee already uploaded it :)
[10:02] <palski> no sorry, that was other bug never mind
[10:03] <LaserJock> palski: so any time you use the text tool it crashes?
[10:04] <palski> yes
[10:04] <minghua> palski: do you use GNOME or KDE?
[10:04] <palski> gnome
[10:04] <minghua> palski: locale and X keymap?
[10:05] <palski> and i'm not the only one :)
[10:05] <palski> en_US.UTF-8
[10:06] <LaserJock> palski: what does dpkg -l | grep xdrawchem give you?
[10:07] <Burgundavia> Hobbsee: pretty easy, but you will not get a new kernel yet, due to no linux-image meta packages
[10:07] <Hobbsee> Burgundavia: awww.  thought i could manually install it
[10:07] <Burgundavia> you can
[10:07] <Hobbsee> there's l-r-m, which i'll need, so it should be okay
[10:08] <palski> ii  xdrawchem                                  1.9.9-1ubuntu1
[10:08] <Hobbsee> i'm presuming l-m hasnt been updated due to not building on all arches?
[10:08] <LaserJock> palski: :/
[10:09] <Burgundavia> I am sticking with the older kernel for right now, due to the only piece I need from lrm being my networking
[10:09] <minghua> I am out of ideas on this xdrawchem bug
[10:09] <LaserJock> I don't see why it works for some and not others
[10:13] <LaserJock> geeze, freenode seems a bit flaky today
[10:14] <ajmitch> quite
[10:14] <Hobbsee> today?  more like for the last month or so
[10:14] <StevenK> Hah
[10:15] <LaserJock> palski: I would think that would come up as an error when compiling
[10:17] <minghua> LaserJock: not in C
[10:17] <LaserJock> darn, yet another reason not to learn C ;p
[10:18] <nixternal> bah
[10:19] <ajmitch> StevenK: isn't that a music thing?
[10:19] <LaserJock> as in, know how to write it or know how to swear at it?
[10:19] <StevenK> Then again, my C skills were minimal when I became a DD.
[10:19] <StevenK> Now they're slightly less minimal. :-P
[10:19] <TheMuso> StevenK: I know a little. I know the syntax for the most part, but I don't know the necessary header files one needs to include to use different functions in glibc. :)
[10:20] <TheMuso> But given well commented code and well named functions, I can usually read some code and work out what it is trying to do.
[10:20] <TheMuso> kernel code being the exception however.
[10:20] <StevenK> Which is usually good enough.
[10:20] <minghua> actually it's C++, but the idea is the same :-)
[10:21] <StevenK> Applying patches from ALSA upstream and slight fixes.
[10:21] <TheMuso> Oh yeah, and well named variables.
[10:21] <StevenK> int x; double y; long int z;
[10:22] <TheMuso> I personally don't like single letter variables being used in loops, as one doesn't know what tat variable is supposed to represent in terms of the content it is helping to address etc.
[10:22] <TheMuso> or it makes it harder anyways.
[10:22] <StevenK> I don't mind single letter variables in *short* loops.
[10:22] <TheMuso> yeah short loops are ok.
[10:23] <TheMuso> But even in shell programming, I use variables that state what content is being addressed.
[10:24] <TheMuso> C++ on the other hand is totally out of the question.
[10:25] <StevenK> My C++ knowledge is ... swiss-cheese like
[10:25] <LaserJock> all my Fortran loops are single letter variables :-)
[10:26] <TheMuso> LaserJock: I hope your code is very well commented. :)
[10:26] <LaserJock> comments?
[10:27] <LaserJock> you can put comments in your code? ;-)
[10:27] <TheMuso> \/c
[10:28] <LaserJock> I spent like 4 hrs trying to decipher my bosses fortran the other day
[10:28] <LaserJock> at like 3:00am
[10:28] <LaserJock> StevenK: good luck with that
[10:31] <LaserJock> it's a love, hate relationship
[10:31] <LaserJock> I love it for data manipulation
[10:32] <LaserJock> bed time
[10:32] <LaserJock> cya all
[10:34] <minghua> okay, I think I finally have a consistent aptitude status database now
[10:46] <Simon80> lol
[10:49] <ajmitch> night all
[10:52] <minghua> night ajmitch
[10:54] <siretart> gn8 ajmitch
[10:55] <Hobbsee> crimsun: yay!  :)
[10:57] <TheMuso> Release of what? :)
[10:57] <crimsun> (it just hit feisty-changes)
[10:57] <StevenK> HAH!
[10:57] <StevenK> flashplugin-nonfree
[10:57] <TheMuso> Oh... That crap. :)
[11:08] <sivang> crimsun: cool
[11:09] <sivang> crimsun: I take it Bart fixed the debconf issue/
[11:09] <sivang> ?
[11:20] <sivang> hrm
[11:20] <sivang> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-data_4%3a3.5.5a.dfsg.1-1ubuntu5_all.deb (--unpack):
[11:20] <sivang>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kinfocenter/cdinfo/index.cache.bz2', which is also in package kcontrol
[11:20] <sivang> Hobbsee: known ? :)
[11:20] <sivang> Errors were encountered while processing:
[11:20] <sivang>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-data_4%3a3.5.5a.dfsg.1-1ubuntu5_all.deb
[11:20] <sivang> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[11:30] <Shadowpillar> sup
[11:31] <Shadowpillar> bzflag is under universe, am I correct?
[11:31] <geser> yes, it's in universe
[11:36] <Shadowpillar> who built it?
[11:36] <Shadowpillar> I need to know how all the .in files in debian/ were generated
[11:36] <Shadowpillar> what command and all
[11:36] <Shadowpillar> generated into the actual files
[11:36] <Shadowpillar> such as changelog.in being generated into changelog
[11:36] <Shadowpillar> etc
[11:45] <Gloubiboulga> look at the debian/buildsnap script
[11:46] <Gloubiboulga> line 20 :)
[11:46] <Shadowpillar> Gloubiboulga: so do I just run buildsnap?
[11:48] <Gloubiboulga> I guess
[11:48] <Gloubiboulga> I'm trying it
[11:48] <Gloubiboulga> `./debian/buildsnap cvs`
[12:05] <Hobbsee> sivang: not known.
[12:08] <Hobbsee> sivang: can you paste me that again please?  i'm out of irssi now
[12:08] <Hobbsee> sivang: that being said, i'll need someone in core dev to upload it, and i'm nto sure if there are more fixes
[12:09] <Hobbsee> sivang: please file, and subscribe me to it.
[12:12] <Shadowpillar> Gloubiboulga: thanks
[12:40] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: testbuilding entity
[12:40] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: Ok.
[12:47] <pygi> giskard: any work that needs to be done against n-m?
[12:48] <giskard> pygi, dunno, i've merged it from debian 4 days ago, i didn't tell you where you can get it?
[12:49] <sivang> pygi, giskard : network-manager ?
[12:49] <giskard> yes
[12:49] <sivang> giskard: oh, hi btw :)
[12:49] <giskard> hello :)
[12:50] <pygi> giskard: you have, you have :)
[12:50] <pygi> giskard: but it's not all about packaging a release :)
[12:50] <pygi> giskard: let's write patches, fix stuff
[12:50] <giskard> pygi, ok! what we can do is asking for a revu+upload and then mail all bug submitter
[12:51] <pygi> giskard: sure
[12:51] <giskard> pygi, we already support dbus1
[12:51] <pygi> giskard: you will upload to revu?
[12:51] <giskard> and i've fixed other thing, afaik.
[12:51] <giskard> pygi, revu is used also for main?
[12:51] <pygi> I know, it's all nice, but a lot of users will still have problems :)
[12:51] <sivang> giskard: say, have you ever thought taking any of our local patches to notification-daemon and incorporate them into debian? what about the latest upstream release ChipX86 has done ? any chance to get it in sid soon so we won't have to merge locally in ubuntu? (the upstream fixes los of stuff from our patches and some other reported bug reports)
[12:51] <giskard> pygi, i told tolleg where he can get my dsc diff
[12:51] <pygi> giskard: for whatever is needed that needs review.
[12:52] <giskard> sivang, it's already in pkg-galago..
[12:52] <giskard> i've lost my gpg key, my new one (signed by another DD) is not yet in the debian-keyring
[12:52] <giskard> i'm waiting elmo.
[12:53] <giskard> so i need a sponsor for it.
[12:53] <pygi> oh :P
[12:53] <giskard> (and we have a lot of problem, as we don't ship gtk2.10 in unstable..so i have to prepare 2 different packages)
[12:53] <giskard> time to eat something. see you later
[12:54] <pygi> giskard: any ETA on gtk2.10 and stuff in sid? I cannot package brasero, and stuff
[12:54] <pygi> giskard: bon appetit
[12:54] <giskard> merci
[12:55] <azeem> pygi: not gonna happen before etch, AIUI
[12:55] <pygi> azeem: I know ... sadly
[01:44] <Adri2000> I have a new upstream release for a package, and upstream included my debian/ directory in the tarball, what should I do with that? :s
[01:45] <pygi> Adri2000: repackage
[01:46] <Adri2000> repackage?
[01:46] <pygi> Admiral_Chicago: repackage the source tarball
[01:46] <pygi> to remove the debian/
[01:46] <Adri2000> ok
[01:46] <Adri2000> pygi: /me is Adri2000 :p
[01:46] <pygi> Admiral_Chicago: how does that help me? :P
[01:47] <pygi> Adri2000: and mention that you had to repack the tarball in changelog
[01:47] <Adri2000> ok
[01:48] <Adri2000> upstream wanted to do things good, they integrated all the patches I made for the initial release of the package
[01:48] <Adri2000> but debian/ isn't a good idea
[01:49] <pygi> Adri2000: yes, I understand
[01:49] <pygi> tell it to upstream :)
[01:49] <pygi> Which package is it btw.?
[01:49] <Adri2000> djplay
[01:49] <pygi> ok, never heard :)
[01:49] <Adri2000> it's the "high class live DJing application for Linux" :)
[01:49] <geser> Adri2000: how up-to-date is the shipped debian/ dir?
[01:52] <Adri2000> ubuntu version is -0ubuntu3, the changelog in the shipped debian/dir stops at -0ubuntu2
[01:52] <Adri2000> but between this two versions it was a patch and all the patches are integrated now
[01:53] <geser> imho it doesn't make sense to strip out the debian/ dir and readd the same files in diff.gz
[01:54] <Adri2000> currently, the diff.gz has only debian/changelog :p
[01:54] <pygi> geser: imho it does make sense, but I'm off to lunch
[01:54] <Adri2000> but I don't know if it's good to not show debian/* in the diff.gz
[01:55] <geser> if you repack it you lose to verify the md5sum of the orig.tar.gz against upstream
[01:55] <geser> is it worth it for the debian/ dir?
[01:56] <geser> s/lose to/lose the ability to/
[01:56] <pygi> geser: but you'll call the repackaged tarball .orig.tar.gz
[02:04] <Adri2000> I think I will repack the tarball because I can't see a diff.gz without the whole debian/ dir :/
[02:05] <Hobbsee> repackage it without the debian dir, and copy the debian dir somewhere else to add later.
[02:06] <Adri2000> yep
[02:07] <Hobbsee> seeing as you wont get a diff.gz if there's no diff :P
[02:08] <StevenK> There should always be a diff.gz if the package isn't native.
[02:08] <StevenK> Since it usually contains only the contents of debian/
[02:08] <Hobbsee> StevenK: except when they're using upstream's debian/
[02:09] <StevenK> I tend to avoid those sorts of projects.
[02:09] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:09] <Hobbsee> yeah, well.
[02:10] <Adri2000> anyway I will ask upstream to not do that again in the next release
[02:13] <Chandy> hi
[02:13] <Chandy> How do I get the list of dependent packages for the package Iam listing in a file or giving as an input
[02:20] <geser> pygi: yes, but the md5sum of the repackaged orig.tar.gz will be different from those tar.gz shipped by upstream
[03:01] <bhale> I am at my parents house for the weekend, cleaning up old crap
[03:01] <bhale> I just found a CD labeled Ubuntu Warty RC
[03:01] <bhale> that might be my oldest existing copy
[03:01] <bhale> an inch of dust on it
[03:02] <pygi> geser: doesn't matter too much
[03:04] <giskard> bhale, hello
[03:13] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:30] <Gloubiboulga> hello bddebian :)
[03:30] <bddebian> Heya Gloubiboulga
[03:31] <vil> sorry, wrong window
[03:34] <bhale> hi giskard
[04:54] <crimsun> sivang: yessir
[05:05] <Adri2000> is it safe to remove an uid from a gpg key and readd it (to change the comment)?
[05:06] <Adri2000> I don't want to break it :s
[05:36] <geser> Adri2000: once it is on a keyserver you can't change anything, only add
[05:37] <Adri2000> geser: I can't change an uid?
[05:37] <Adri2000> but I can remove it?
[05:38] <geser> you can remove it on your own copy but not on the one on the keyservers
[05:38] <Adri2000> ah :/
[05:39] <geser> keyservers don't do any authentications, they only merge new key data to the one they have
[05:39] <Adri2000> on if it's the same uid, only the comment changes
[05:39] <Adri2000> s/on/and/
[05:39] <Adri2000> well, is it possible to have two same uids with different comments?
[05:40] <geser> I don't know
[05:40] <Adri2000> ok
[07:23] <PriceChild> ping: imbrandon
[07:24] <pygi> PriceChild, anything I could hep with?
[07:26] <PriceChild> uuu hello :)
[07:26] <PriceChild> yeah... remember hte package i was working on yday?
[07:26] <PriceChild> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3467
[07:32] <PriceChild> pygi: ?
[07:32] <pygi> PriceChild, yes ?:)
[07:33] <pygi> I remember the package, yes
[07:33] <PriceChild> Could you help with the problem outilned in the package upload there?
[07:33] <pygi> the thingy with rules?
[07:33] <PriceChild> yeah
[07:33] <PriceChild> :)
[07:38] <pygi> PriceChild, ergh, dont wanna give wrong advices on that since  Hob' already suggested something I think
[07:38] <pygi> perhaps I just misunderstood
[07:38] <PriceChild> he he ok no problem :)
[07:39] <PriceChild> I'll just wait for her to come on this evening hopefully :)
[07:39] <PriceChild> Thanks for looking
[07:39] <pygi> no worries ^_^
[07:40] <Gloubiboulga> PriceChild: you just need to incude /usr/share/dpatch/dpatch.make in your debian/rules
[07:40] <Gloubiboulga> no need to redefine the already written patch/unpatch rules
[07:40] <minghua> Run a pbuilder build with hard drive DMA turned off is a VERY bad idea :-(
[07:40] <PriceChild> yay thanks for looking :) Gloubiboulga :)
[07:41] <PriceChild> now to understand what you mean... :) - first timer ;)
[07:41] <pygi> PriceChild, is this cdbs stuff?
[07:41] <PriceChild> No
[07:41] <PriceChild> $ cat /usr/share/dpatch/dpatch.make
[07:41] <PriceChild> cat: /usr/share/dpatch/dpatch.make: No such file or directory
[07:41] <Gloubiboulga> PriceChild: sudo apt-get install dpatch :)
[07:42] <PriceChild> there was no "real" source.... it had a debian tree in already
[07:42] <PriceChild> ty Gloubiboulga
[07:42] <Gloubiboulga> np
[07:44] <PriceChild> ok so that file is now there Gloubiboulga.... Do you mean i have to just append all that text to the bottom of my rules file?
[07:45] <minghua> PriceChild: you also want to point people to your new upload, the upid=3468 one
[07:45] <PriceChild> ok sorry
[07:50] <Gloubiboulga> PriceChild: just add "include /usr/share/dpatch/dpatch.make" in your debian/rules
[07:52] <Gloubiboulga> and don't forget to call patch and unpatch
[07:52] <PriceChild> Gloubiboulga: just like that: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32576/ ?
[07:52] <PriceChild> he he you've lost me now...
[07:53] <PriceChild> so "patch:"
[07:53] <PriceChild> before
[07:53] <PriceChild> and "unpatch:" after?
[07:53] <PriceChild> wait no...
[07:53] <Gloubiboulga> ligne 18 : "configure: patch configure-stamp"
[07:54] <Gloubiboulga> and 36 : clean: unpatch
[07:54] <PriceChild> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32577/ better?
[07:57] <Gloubiboulga> I'd put the include at the beginning of the file, and you can remove everything from lign 91 to the end of file
[07:57] <PriceChild> ok
[07:58] <PriceChild> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32579/
[08:00] <Gloubiboulga> yep, it looks better :)
[08:00] <PriceChild> So do you think that's good enough to reupload?
[08:01] <Gloubiboulga> sure
[08:02] <Gloubiboulga> you can remove all the useless commented lines though
[08:02] <PriceChild> he he ok
[08:02] <PriceChild> will do that
[08:03] <PriceChild> shall i leave the extra spaces between lines?
[08:04] <PriceChild> hmm will leave those
[08:04] <PriceChild> easier to read and check...
[08:05] <PriceChild> Gloubiboulga: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32580/
[08:08] <Gloubiboulga> PriceChild: it looks ok
[08:08] <PriceChild> Thanks :)
[08:09] <PriceChild> argh....
[08:09] <PriceChild> its causing debuild to fail now :(
[08:09] <Gloubiboulga> ah
[08:09] <PriceChild> debian/rules:20: *** missing separator (did you mean TAB instead of 8 spaces?).
[08:09] <PriceChild> guess that means line 20...
[08:09] <Gloubiboulga> did you add dpatch to the build-deps ?
[08:10] <pygi> PriceChild, also dpatch to build-deps
[08:10] <PriceChild> ah nope
[08:10] <PriceChild> he he :)
[08:10] <PriceChild> same error...
[08:11] <PriceChild> i added dpatch as a dep in control
[08:11] <pygi> PriceChild, but you don't have separator in rules :p
[08:11] <pygi> read error :)
[08:11] <Gloubiboulga> replace the 8 spaces with a tab at the beginning of the line
[08:11] <joejaxx> hello everyone
[08:11] <PriceChild> ah ok
[08:11] <PriceChild> it meant what it said :P
[08:11] <pygi> hey joejaxx
[08:11] <Gloubiboulga> hello joejaxx
[08:12] <PriceChild> argh...
[08:12] <PriceChild> i bet pastebin has changed all the tabs to 8 spaces hasn't it...
[08:12] <Gloubiboulga> yep, pastebin does this :)
[08:12] <PriceChild> I'll redo the entire thing again on my own to make sure its fine
[08:15] <PriceChild> ok new proble,
[08:15] <PriceChild> dpkg-source: warning: can't parse dependency dpatch
[08:15] <chillywilly> by the power of greyskull...
[08:16] <PriceChild> sorted
[08:16] <PriceChild> forgot a comma
[08:16] <PriceChild> yay done :)
[08:16] <PriceChild> uploading
[08:17] <pygi> Gloubiboulga, could I grab you for a sec?
[08:17] <Gloubiboulga> pygi: sure
[08:17] <PriceChild> Thanks so much guys :)
[08:17] <pygi> Gloubiboulga, http://revu.tauware.de/diff.py?upid1=3058&upid2=3472
[08:17] <pygi> Gloubiboulga, feel free to advocate ^_^
[08:17] <minghua> PriceChild, Gloubiboulgawhy are you guys playing with patch/unpatch in debian/rules when there is nothing to patch (at least I don't see it)?
[08:17] <Gloubiboulga> pygi: the url seems wrong
[08:18] <pygi> Gloubiboulga, ehm, oki, sec
[08:18] <pygi> Gloubiboulga, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3472
[08:18] <Gloubiboulga> minghua: I only looked the debian/rules
[08:18] <pygi> this one :)
[08:18] <PriceChild> minghua: someone else mentioned that the other day.... I'm not compeltely sure, I've just been following Hobbsee's guidance and she said to do this :S
[08:18] <pygi> minghua, there is really nothing to patch, right :)
[08:18] <Gloubiboulga> ah, brasero :)
[08:18] <pygi> Gloubiboulga, yes, what's wrong with it ?:)
[08:19] <PriceChild> So what should i do with the rules file?
[08:19] <pygi> wanted to upload directly, but oh well, let's be polite ^_^
[08:19] <minghua> pygi: isn't brasero already in archive (I remember seeing it the other day)?
[08:19] <pygi> minghua, it is, it was my upload :)
[08:19] <pygi> minghua, new upstream release
[08:19] <Gloubiboulga> pygi: nothing, it seems to be the new burning star :)
[08:20] <pygi> Gloubiboulga, do you know what we'll have in new release? :)
[08:20] <pygi> complete dvd video copy feature, even if encrypted
[08:20] <minghua> pygi: I see
[08:20] <pygi> plugin-azed backends, new libburn support, etc, etc
[08:20] <Gloubiboulga> nice
[08:20] <pygi> Gloubiboulga, also we are dropping n-c-b support since it sucks :P
[08:20] <pygi> and writing our own library for certain stuff
[08:21] <Gloubiboulga> remove the gnome libs and I'll use it :p
[08:21] <pygi> Gloubiboulga, want me to be honest?
[08:21] <pygi> Gloubiboulga, that is in our plans ^_^
[08:21] <pygi> currently, biggest problem is gnome-vfs since it's rooted deeply into the code
[08:21] <pygi> we'll start modularizing code
[08:22] <Gloubiboulga> I'm glad to read this !
[08:22] <pygi> Gloubiboulga, and once libburn is able to burn dvd's, it'll drop cdrecord for good :)))
[08:22] <Gloubiboulga> we have xfburn in xubuntu, it's still really joung
[08:22] <pygi> Gloubiboulga, I know about xfburn...using it for testing
[08:23] <Gloubiboulga> it still have some annoying bugs
[08:23] <pygi> Gloubiboulga, I know, that's why I'm here to fix :P
[08:23] <Gloubiboulga> it always crashes after blanking a cdrw
[08:23] <pygi> Gloubiboulga, my blog posts and #ubuntu-burning prove it :)
[08:23] <PriceChild> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3473 - uploaded
[08:24] <Gloubiboulga> pygi: I know who I have to ping for burning problems then
[08:24] <pygi> Gloubiboulga, always ^_^
[08:25] <PriceChild> So about the debian/rules file... we don't need it?
[08:25] <Gloubiboulga> pygi: there's no orig.tar.gz uploaded on revu
[08:25] <pygi> Gloubiboulga, read from the bottom
[08:25] <pygi> G0SUB, ergh, really?
[08:27] <pygi> Gloubiboulga, urgh, really?
[08:27] <Gloubiboulga> pygi: don't forget the -sa when building the source package
[08:27] <pygi> Gloubiboulga, yes, that's what I forgot :)
[08:28] <pygi> Gloubiboulga, sorry, lemme fix :)
[08:28] <Gloubiboulga> PriceChild: you need the debian/rules, but not all the patch stuff, since there's nothing to patch
[08:28] <pygi> Gloubiboulga, uploading
[08:30] <pygi> minghua: you are also free to advocate...
[08:32] <pygi> Gloubiboulga, according to dput, all is up
[08:32] <Toadstool> good morning everybody
[08:32] <pygi> hey Toadstool
[08:32] <Toadstool> hi pygi
[08:33] <Gloubiboulga> hey Toadstool
[08:33] <Toadstool> heya Gloubiboulga
[08:34] <Toadstool> Gloubiboulga: long time no see :)
[08:34] <Toadstool> how is it going?
[08:35] <minghua> pygi: trying to find my REVU password :-P
[08:35] <Gloubiboulga> Toadstool: fine, and you ?
[08:35] <pygi> minghua, oki, thank you :)
[08:35] <Toadstool> Gloubiboulga: i'm alright
[08:35] <Mez> pygi: what we advocating?
[08:36] <pygi> Mez, new brasero upload =)
[08:36] <pygi> Mez, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3472
[08:36] <Mez> pygi: thought you wanted me to sponsor?
[08:36] <pygi> Mez, well, yes, but had to be sure it works ... aka REVU, no?
[08:36] <Mez> pygi: but you didnt even poke me
[08:37] <pygi> Mez, I know, you wasn't here :-/
[08:37] <Gloubiboulga> PriceChild: I have to leave in ~10 minutes, I'll review your package tomorrow if nobody does it before
[08:37] <pygi> Mez, sorry :-/
[08:37] <PriceChild> ok thanks :)
[08:37] <PriceChild> enjoy your day
[08:37] <pygi> Mez, you are still free to sponsor, the package works as advertised ^_^
[08:37] <Mez> minghua, try to login
[08:38] <Gloubiboulga> PriceChild: thanks :)
[08:38] <Mez> if it doesnt work it gives you a link to retrieve
[08:38] <PriceChild> Gloubiboulga: i'm not sure which patch lines to remove...
[08:39] <Gloubiboulga> PriceChild: the include line + patch and unpatch
[08:39] <Gloubiboulga> PriceChild: and the dpatch build dependency
[08:40] <PriceChild> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32585/ - should i also remove the patch unpatch on the last line?
[08:41] <minghua> Mez: I know the procedure, thanks.  I just need to find the recovered-and-encrypted password on my computer :-)
[08:42] <Mez> lol - :D
[08:42] <Gloubiboulga> PriceChild: yep
[08:43] <ajmitch> morning
[08:43] <bhale> hi ajmitch
[08:43] <Toadstool> hey ajmitch
[08:43] <PriceChild> Gloubiboulga: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32587/ - i think that's finished then? :)
[08:44] <LaserJock> hmmm
[08:44] <minghua> pygi: you want to look at upload 3474
[08:44] <minghua> morning ajmitch and LaserJock
[08:44] <pygi> minghua, will do
[08:44] <pygi> minghua, well, I'm there already :)
[08:44] <ajmitch> LaserJock: it's ok, as one of the MOTU trinity you'll still have plenty to do :)
[08:45] <minghua> pygi: I was talking about "* pygi is stressed about why .orig.tar.gz isn't up yet :(" :-)
[08:46] <ajmitch> yay, another bddebian!
[08:46] <Gloubiboulga> PriceChild: I have to go, upload your package on REVU, I'll check tomorrow
[08:46] <PriceChild> thanks :)
[08:46] <PriceChild> enjoy yourself
[08:46] <pygi> minghua, I know :P
[08:47] <Mez> pygi: if you want to upload the orig.tar.gz - debuild -S -sa
[08:47] <Mez> not debuild -S -a
[08:47] <pygi> Mez, I know =)
[08:47] <pygi> just made a mistake =)
[08:48] <Mez> s/-a//
[08:48] <LaserJock> yikes, I just sent an email to -devel, hopefully I won't be kicked out
[08:48] <LaserJock> :-)
[08:48] <ajmitch> uh oh
[08:48] <Mez> LaserJock, what have you done noe ?
[08:49] <ajmitch> LaserJock: apt-cache -i unmet..
[08:49] <ajmitch> without the -i, it takes recommends & suggests as well
[08:49] <LaserJock> darn, I wondered about that
[08:49] <LaserJock> that looks better
[08:50] <LaserJock> so 103 and 183 for edgy and sid
[08:50] <ajmitch> compare edgy & etch
[08:50] <ajmitch> for a fair comparison
[08:50] <ajmitch> since sid never releases
[08:51] <LaserJock> well, that's the thing
[08:51] <LaserJock> that's why I said it was maybe a bad comparision
[08:51] <LaserJock> I hate directly comparing them
[08:52] <bhale> man i cant keep up with the motu trinity anymore
[08:52] <LaserJock> bah, who made up this trinity thing?
[08:53] <bhale>  * LaserJock might be in the MOTU trinity but still fears the wrath of the
[08:53] <bhale>           mighty Dennis ;-)
[08:53] <bhale> we made it up a year or so ago to approve UVF
[08:53] <bhale> tired of waiting on mdz
[08:53] <ajmitch> bhale: showing your age
[08:53] <bhale> ajmitch: i found a warty RC this morning
[08:53] <ajmitch> "back in my day"..
[08:53] <bhale> with a ton of dust on it
[08:53] <ajmitch> yeah, you make me feel young
[08:54] <LaserJock> well, I'm not in the MOTU trinity then
[08:54] <Mez> siretart, ping
[08:54] <bhale> LaserJock: neither am I
[08:54] <ajmitch> since I didn't get into it until just after warty release
[08:54] <bhale> it is only for super heros
[08:54] <pygi> Gloubiboulga, you managed to advocate? :P
[08:54] <PriceChild> minghua: regarding the debian/bts what should I do with that?
[08:55] <minghua> PriceChild: I think you should get rid of it and don't install it in debian/rules
[08:55] <PriceChild> ok
[08:55] <PriceChild> ty
[08:56] <PriceChild> I can't see where its installed in debian/rules...
[08:56] <minghua> look harder...
[08:56] <PriceChild> heh e :)
[08:56] <pygi> minghua, found pass? :P
[08:57] <minghua> "cp debian/bts debian/xvidcap/usr/share/bug/xvidcap/control"
[08:57] <minghua> pygi: yep.  did you upload a new package?
[08:57] <pygi> minghua, it should appear in a bit ^_^
[08:58] <minghua> pygi: ping me when it appears
[08:58] <pygi> will do
[08:59] <PriceChild> thanks minghua :)
[09:02] <minghua> PriceChild: in my humble opinion you should reading packaging guides a bit more before doing real packaging
[09:03] <PriceChild> minghua: i agree :)
[09:04] <PriceChild> sorry for being a nuisance  :)
[09:04] <LaserJock> you're not a nuisance
[09:04] <PriceChild> Its just that the ubuntu packaging guides don't really apply to this package
[09:04] <pygi> PriceChild, debian new maintainer guide
[09:04] <PriceChild> that doesn't either really
[09:04] <PriceChild> i've read that
[09:04] <PriceChild> xvidcap is released with a debian dir
[09:05] <PriceChild> and Hobbsee decided that it was probably best to just edit what was there instead of making it all again
[09:05] <LaserJock> PriceChild: well, since you have my doc hat on, why don't you send me a list of things that weren't addressed in the Ubuntu Packaging Guide ;-)
[09:05] <pygi> minghua, ping :)
[09:05] <PriceChild> and also made a proper orig tar by just removing the debian dir and things which you don't normally do
[09:06] <Mez> would a build dep (<< 0.2.4 >> 0.2.1) be valid?
[09:06] <PriceChild> LaserJock: he he :) I don't think it would be too helpful... don't think anyone else packages their source like this guy :)
[09:07] <azeem> Mez: I tink you can add a package twice to B-D, with different version info
[09:07] <azeem> think, even
[09:07] <Mez> azeem, i think that too - but dont reust myself ;)
[09:07] <LaserJock> PriceChild: well, if you do think something should be addressed let me know
[09:07] <Mez> anyone who KNOWs?
[09:07] <PriceChild> will do :)
[09:09] <minghua> PriceChild: asking is okay, and I appreciate your eagerness to help.  it's just sometimes you should try finding the answer yourself before asking
[09:09] <PriceChild> he he yeah
[09:09] <PriceChild> i could definately have found that last one if i'd looked hard enough
[09:09] <PriceChild> I completely understand what you're saying
[09:10] <PriceChild> I'm a mod on ubuntuforums.org believe it or not... and you have to be so patient with people who don't read the sticky entitled "read this to play your mp3s" and just post a new thread saying they don't work lol
[09:10] <PriceChild> Promise i'll try harder :)
[09:10] <Mez> PriceChild, thats the right attitude :D
[09:11] <minghua> PriceChild: try reading Debian Developer's Reference when Ubuntu packaging guide and Debian new maintainer guide are not enough
[09:11] <PriceChild> ok cool
[09:11] <PriceChild> will go find that now
[09:11] <minghua> PriceChild: in your particular case http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/ch-best-pkging-practices.en.html#s-bpp-origtargz
[09:12] <PriceChild> he he... what happenned to working it out myself? ;)
[09:12] <minghua> pygi: I am going to look at brasero now :-)
[09:12] <LaserJock> well, not necessarily working it out yourself, but knowing and using resources ;-)
[09:12] <pygi> minghua, thanks, but I have another upload
[09:13] <minghua> PriceChild: IMO asking what to read is okay, asking what to do (for simple things) is not :-)
[09:13] <PriceChild> he he yeah
[09:13] <PriceChild> uuu i've noticed i haven't mentioned in my new orig.tar.gz how i made it... by removing the debian dir
[09:13] <minghua> pygi: so... I should wait for your next ping?
[09:14] <pygi> minghua, yes, sorry ^_^ Nothing important tho, just dropping one dep that is not needed
[09:16] <pygi> minghua, what help do you need?
[09:17] <Mez> pygi, psychiatric
[09:17] <Mez> minghua, :P
[09:17] <minghua> pygi: it's off-topic here. :-P  But since I doubt I can get help in #ubuntu{,+1} -- I need to figure out how to enable IDE hard drive's DMA when I am dropped into an initramfs shell
[09:18] <pygi> Mez, lol :)
[09:18] <minghua> maybe I should just ask ajmitch how he hand-holds his feisty system to boot :-)
[09:18] <PriceChild> I know how to enable DMA....
[09:18] <PriceChild> i did....
[09:19] <PriceChild> erm
[09:19] <minghua> ajmitch: I was just running local-top/lvm in the initramfs shell, anything else I need to do before exit?
[09:19] <minghua> scripts/local-top/lvm actually
[09:28] <pygi> minghua, ok, now =)
[09:35] <minghua> pygi: I remember you said some package had bad debian packaging, is that brasero?
[09:36] <pygi> minghua, yes, debian packaging sucks very much =)
[09:38] <pygi> still testing the package, I wanna make sure we have the best brasero package ever built
[09:39] <pygi> minghua, IMHO don't advocate package, one glitch went throught
[09:46] <minghua> pygi: sure, when you feel ready.  I am just building the package now
[09:46] <pygi> minghua, you won't be able to build it ^_^
[09:47] <pygi> minghua, http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/brasero-0611181515/brasero_0.5.1-0ubuntu1.buildlog
[09:47] <minghua> oh.  so you are fixing it?
[09:48] <pygi> minghua, yep, just pushed and checking localy
[09:48] <pygi> minghua, trivial bug, slipped throught by accident
[09:55] <jekil> hi
[09:55] <pygi> hello jekil
[10:04] <pygi> minghua, ok, now it's really really ready
[10:04] <pygi> minghua, even I would advocate it ^_^
[10:05] <minghua> pygi: so you've tried building it locally? :-)
[10:06] <pygi> minghua, yup
[10:23] <pygi> minghua, anything good happened? :)
[10:28] <minghua> pygi: sorry, still struggling setting up a feisty pbuilder
[10:28] <pygi> oh,oki
[10:28] <minghua> pygi: the package looks good to me though
[10:28] <minghua> give me some time :-)
[10:28] <pygi> will do ^_^
[10:28] <vil> pygi: hi
[10:28] <minghua> apparently upgrading a sid pbuilder to a feisty one is a bad bad idea
[10:28] <pygi> hey vil :)
[10:28] <pygi> minghua, lol, right
[10:30] <pygi> vil, how are you?:)
[10:34] <vil> pygi: fine. just enjoying weekend
[10:36] <vil> pygi: what about you?
[10:36] <pygi> vil, nice, doing some packaging right now ^_^
[10:39] <vil> pygi, what kind of package? burning I guess
[10:39] <pygi> vil, indeed :)
[10:39] <pygi> vil, I have some others things to package once I finish with this one
[10:42] <vil> pygi, what is it specificaly? just curious
[10:42] <pygi> vil, to name one, "gimmix"
[11:04] <minghua> Hmm, brasero has some really long compiling options
[11:05] <Simon80> is it normal for uupdate to use <upstream-version>-1 as the version
[11:05] <Simon80> ?
[11:05] <pygi> minghua: ^_^
[11:08] <minghua> Simon80: yes, that's normal for Debian
[11:09] <Simon80> but if I wanna make an ubuntu package, that's fine? what do I do?
[11:09] <minghua> Simon80: in ubuntu you have you change that to -0ubuntu1 by hand (or, if you prefer, patch uupdate :-)
[11:09] <Simon80> though I'm not actually targeting this for upload, it's cvs head
[11:09] <Simon80> ah, ok
[11:09] <Simon80> problem solved, haha
[11:09] <minghua> pygi: it builds here :-)
[11:09] <Simon80> why 0-ubuntu1?
[11:10] <Simon80> ohhh, not in debian
[11:10] <pygi> minghua: I know ^_^
[11:10] <Simon80> cause existing packages don't look like that
[11:10] <Simon80> so that's just in the changelog, right?
[11:12] <pygi> minghua: finally, Brasero which doesn't use cdrecord will hit archives ^_^
[11:14] <minghua> pygi: two questions:
[11:14] <pygi> minghua: shoot
[11:14] <minghua> pygi: 1. a tiny thing -- is debian/brasero.dirs really necessary?
[11:15] <pygi> minghua: probably not
[11:15] <minghua> pygi: 2. your versioned dependency in debian/control is pretty tight, but the upstream README only requires GNOME >=2.14 for example, are those versions really necessary?
[11:16] <pygi> minghua: my deps are correct ^_^
[11:16] <pygi> minghua: I talk with upstream every day, and as I said ... I helped to develop Brasero :)
[11:16] <pygi> minghua: let's call README outdated^_^
[11:16] <minghua> pygi: cool, I'll advocate then
[11:16] <pygi> thank you ^_^
[11:17] <minghua> pygi: yeah, poke upstream to update README :-)
[11:17] <pygi> hehe :)
[11:17] <TheMuso> Hey Fujitsu.
[11:19] <Fujitsu> Hi TheMuso.
[11:20] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: For merging, thats a shame
[11:20] <TheMuso> :)
[11:20] <crimsun> Adri2000: I presume you've regression-tested 72370?
[11:21] <Adri2000> crimsun: heeuuu, no, I haven't particularly tested
[11:21] <minghua> hello Fujitsu
[11:22] <pygi> crimsun: since you are here, you could advocate ^_^
[11:22] <crimsun> Adri2000: erm...I feel really uncomfortable uploading a merged source package that hasn't been tested.
[11:22] <Fujitsu> Darn, no Hobbsee around... I need to borrow her long pointy stick of DOOM and nastily injure somebody with it... That somebody decided they needed to repartition one of the computers at school (with actual data on it), and obliterated the primary LVM PV on it.
[11:22] <crimsun> Adri2000: please test it [and/or have someone verify your merged source works correctly]  and note as much in the bug :)
[11:22] <Fujitsu> Hi minghua.
[11:23] <minghua> Hmm, now that I'm thinking about it, does pygi still need two advocates since brasero is already in archive?
[11:23] <crimsun> if a package is already in the archive, newer source just needs to be thrown at upload.uc
[11:25] <minghua> pygi: fix the debian/brasero.dirs and I can sponsor your upload if I am still here ;-)
[11:25] <Adri2000> crimsun: I can't really test because I haven't a pppoe connection with a modem on this computer, but I can try some things to see if it works. but also I rely on the debian package/maintainer :p
[11:25] <pygi> minghua:you mean just remove it? :P
[11:25] <minghua> pygi: (and you don't need to upload to REVU, just point me the source packages)
[11:26] <minghua> pygi: remove and _test_build_ :-)
[11:26] <crimsun> Adri2000: right
[11:26] <pygi> minghua: nah, who needs testing ^_^
[11:26] <crimsun> certainly not non-free packages!
[11:27] <pygi> hehe :)
[11:27] <pygi> will brb, gotta convert to laptop
[11:27] <Fujitsu> Speaking of non-free packages...
[11:28] <imbrandon> moins all
[11:28] <TheMuso> Hey imbrandon.
[11:28] <imbrandon> heya TheMuso
[11:28] <Fujitsu> crimsun, what are you on? If we have a proper Flash 9 in the archive, we can't as easily reject all the bugs!
[11:28] <Fujitsu> Hi imbrandon.
[11:28] <crimsun> Fujitsu: yeah, I was 'fraid of that, too
[11:28] <imbrandon> Fujitsu: horatio is down for a few hours right now for some hardware swapping if you dident notice
[11:28] <Fujitsu> crimsun: :/
[11:29] <crimsun> I just wanted to prevent people from using imbrandon's debs =)
[11:29] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: OK, I haven't had cause to use it much lately, due to work :(
[11:29] <imbrandon> Fujitsu: no worries, just wanted to let you know, the more users i'm getting on there i need to find a way to notify everyone, maybe i'll work on that later
[11:29] <imbrandon> crimsun: ??
[11:29] <crimsun> imbrandon: Flash 9
[11:30] <imbrandon> i never gave my flash 9 debs out ( to anyone but those in here )
[11:30] <imbrandon> no Seveas on the other hand, he did
[11:30] <imbrandon> and does , etc
[11:30] <imbrandon> s/no/now
[11:30] <crimsun> it's not a ding against yours or his
[11:30] <imbrandon> hehe
[11:30] <imbrandon> i know :)
[11:31] <Seveas> imbrandon, I;m having problems with one mirror -- once that's solved I will no longer
[11:31] <crimsun> it's simply preventive maintenance
[11:31] <imbrandon> crimsun: true
[11:31] <imbrandon> Seveas: my mirror ?
[11:31] <Seveas> crimsun, are there plans to backport flash9 to edgy/dapper?
[11:31] <imbrandon> or another one?
[11:31] <Seveas> imbrandon, no
[11:31] <Seveas> the playboymansion one
[11:31] <crimsun> Seveas: I've asked jdong to look at feisty's current source package, and it's in his queue according to -devel backlog
[11:31] <Seveas> ok
[11:33] <imbrandon> ohh Fujitsu do you have the source for your upstream packages? lastnode wanted me to look them over and sponsor them ( or you can too i guess since your a MOTU :P ) into the feisty archive
[11:34] <imbrandon> crimsun: what did you do? bump the version or something? ( sorry i'm just catching up for the day )
[11:34] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: They're at http://people.ubuntu.com.au/~fujitsu/upstream, as mentioned on the Upstream wiki (I believe).
[11:35] <imbrandon> Fujitsu: yea but iirc its just the binarys not the source and dsc etc
[11:35] <crimsun> imbrandon: used an epoch, created the source package with checkinstall, broke all sorts of lintian checks, yanno
[11:35] <Fujitsu> I'd like somebody else to look over them, of course.
[11:35] <imbrandon> i'll look again
[11:35] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: /edgy is the binaries.
[11:35] <imbrandon> crimsun: hahaha right on
[11:35] <crimsun> imbrandon: (in reality) merged w/ sid's
[11:35] <Fujitsu> I think there are a couple of things I need to fix up in that, actually..
[11:36] <imbrandon> oh slick, :)
[11:36] <crimsun> had to increase the delta to deal with our previous attempts to cope with esd and stuff
[11:36] <crimsun> otherwise it's fairly innocuous
[11:36] <imbrandon> Fujitsu: no worries, i'm not in a hurry, he just asked me a few days ago, i told him i would once i had spoke with you since you made the packages
[11:37] <imbrandon> crimsun: ahh
[11:37] <crimsun> you fellers got a nod in the changelog, too
[11:37] <crimsun> crazy pills
[11:37] <imbrandon> hahaha
[11:37] <imbrandon> purple and yellow ones ? hehe
[11:38] <crimsun> The "blue/purple/polka dot pills" release.
[11:38] <imbrandon> rock on :)
[11:38] <pygi> minghua, uploading
[11:38] <imbrandon> man i took the "night off" last night and went to the casino with my little brother, man i'm feeling it today
[11:39] <imbrandon> heh probably should have came home a few hours sooner
[11:39] <imbrandon> good thing is though i walked out with exactly what i walked in with ( only took $20 , yea i'm cheap )
[11:40] <pygi> minghua, k,uploaded to REVU
[11:40] <pygi> minghua, now you should just wait :)
[11:40] <TheMuso> imbrandoimBetter to paly it safe than to loose too much
[11:40] <TheMuso> imbrandon: Better to paly it safe than to lose to much.
[11:40] <imbrandon> true, i just go for fun when i do go, figure even if i loose $20 its worth the night out
[11:41] <imbrandon> :)
[11:41] <Adri2000> crimsun: I have an issue with pppoeconf: the dialogs are really not enough large, you can't read the text, but it's not a regression, it's the same with the edgy package, I don't know if it's don't know if it's only on my system or not, could you test?
[11:41] <TheMuso> gah my typing
[11:41] <imbrandon> heh
[11:41] <crimsun> Adri2000: unfortunately I'm nowhere near a machine capable of testing
[11:41] <Adri2000> s/it's don't know//
[11:42] <Adri2000> someone else could? :)
[11:42] <pygi> Adri2000, pppoeconf always had problems
[11:42] <pygi> Adri2000, ping Zomb (aka Eduard Bloch), hehe :)
[11:42] <Fujitsu> Anybody here have any idea on how I can specify extra paths in the Python module search path thingy?
[11:43] <Adri2000> pygi: he's not the maintainer anymore
[11:43] <pygi> Adri2000, oh,who is it then?
[11:43] <Adri2000> reg, I have already pinged him :)
[11:43] <Adri2000> you can find him on #debian-fr
[11:44] <imbrandon> welp since horatio is down, good time to wipe the lappy and get a fresh install going, bbiab
[11:44] <minghua> Fujitsu: you mean sys.path.append()?
[11:45] <Adri2000> pygi: maybe Zomb orphaned pppoeconf because it always have problems :
[11:45] <pygi> Adri2000, I stand no comment ^_^
[11:45] <Adri2000> :-)
[11:46] <Adri2000> I will wait reg's answer about that
[11:46] <Adri2000> something else: http://adrishost.homeip.net/~adri2000/ubuntu/toupload/djplay/djplay_0.4.1-0ubuntu1.buildlog everything works with this package, but the build log is strange at the end, with dpkg-source
[11:49] <pygi> minghua, you alive  ? :)
[11:55] <minghua> pygi: yes
[11:55] <minghua> pygi: looking at your new package now
[11:55] <pygi> minghua, oki, just so you know I pushed ^_^
[11:55] <pygi> oki
[11:56] <minghua> pygi: bare with me as this is probably the first time I sponsor an upload
[11:56] <minghua> (uploading from Debian, no less)
[11:57] <pygi> minghua, I haven't said nothing =)
[11:58] <pygi> minghua, I won't bug you anymore once I get someone to sign my keys
[11:58] <crimsun> "I reserve the right to bug you even after I get someone to sign my keys" =)
[11:59] <pygi> crimsun, why  that ? :)
[12:00] <pygi> well, ok, I'll bug about some things ... but not about sponsoring uploads...
[12:00] <pygi> crimsun, I could toss so much bugs your way for main inclusion for example ...
[12:01] <imbrandon> hrm how is it that you split a screen again ?
[12:01] <pygi> lol, not bugs, bug patches ^_^
[12:01] <imbrandon> screen as in the program
[12:01] <crimsun> pygi: thanks for the bugs ;)
[12:01] <pygi> crimsun, I meant patches, patches dude :))))
[12:01] <crimsun> =)
[12:01] <imbrandon> hehe
[12:01] <crimsun> ^a S
[12:02] <imbrandon> ahh right, thanks
[12:02] <pygi> crimsun, bare with me, I'm not sleeping at all :P
[12:02] <imbrandon> upercase S threw me
[12:02] <pygi> writing cdrtools replacement is tiresome :)
[12:02] <crimsun> I'd imagine so
[12:03] <pygi> especially without specifications :)
[12:04] <pygi> crimsun, o btw. perhaps you know ... is it possible for example that I send a gpg signed copy of my drivers licence, or something instead of getting my keys signed?
[12:04] <pygi> it's almost a impossible task for me atm :-/
[12:04] <pygi> and I've been hanging like that since ubuntu beginnings
[12:05] <ivoks> urgh...
[12:05] <pygi> ivoks, well, it is :)
[12:05] <ivoks> pygi: you just need to get to zagreb one day or call me when you get
[12:05] <crimsun> pygi: it's really up to whomever you're asking to sign your key
[12:07] <minghua> Hmm, dput won't let me upload if I don't have pygi's public key
[12:07] <minghua> good dput
[12:07] <pygi> minghua, so get my public key ^_^
[12:07] <imbrandon> minghua: no if your sponsoring it, you sign the .changes and upload
[12:08] <minghua> imbrandon: I kept pygi's signature on the .dsc file.  Is that wrong?
[12:08] <imbrandon> ( even if his name is in the changelog )
[12:08] <minghua> the .changes is of course signed by me
[12:08] <imbrandon> yes, you need to sign it to be able for it to be accepted
[12:08] <crimsun> aww, stephan lost his hair
[12:08] <pygi> minghua, just sign dsc with your key
[12:08] <imbrandon> minghua: e.g. you need to debuild -S -sa -kyourkkey
[12:08] <ivoks> minghua: dpkg-buildpackage -S -k[your key ID]
[12:09] <pygi> I think :)
[12:09] <ivoks> imbrandon: :)
[12:09] <imbrandon> :)
[12:09] <pygi> ivoks, he needs to -sa :)))
[12:09] <ivoks> pygi: depends on package
[12:09] <pygi> I know , but oh well :p
[12:09] <minghua> apparently I can't dpkg-buildpackage/debuild as I am in Debian now :-)  (I tested building in a chroot)
[12:09] <crimsun> whoa, jono has a CoB tee
[12:09] <minghua> I believe I am doing okay, I just need to fetch pygi's pub key
[12:10] <minghua> let's see