[06:22] <dcraven> whyameye_: Probably with a sudo prepended to it.
[06:23] <whyameye_> dcraven: okay, because that isn't happening. I have something broken. Let me investigate and come back if I am confused...
[06:25] <philc1> for backports, should I be using ubuntuforums.org/backports or ubuntuforums.org/udp? what's the difference?
[06:25] <philc1> ubp
[06:26] <dcraven> philc1: I use /backports, but I dunno what ubp is.
[06:26] <philc1> dcraven: thanks
[06:27] <nickrud> dcraven, out of curiosity, just what backports are you using?
[06:28] <dcraven> nickrud: To be honest, I've lost track. I get updates from there every few days it seems that replace my non-backports versions. Firefox and gaim I think are both backports now, among others.
[06:28] <philc1> mono backports =)
[06:28] <philc1> and j2sdk1.5
[06:28] <nickrud> dcraven, hmm, I haven't really looked at it -- mono?
[06:29] <nickrud> lol
[06:29] <dcraven> nickrud: Yeah, and mono.
[06:29] <dcraven> 1.1.7
[06:30] <nickrud> I think, since breezy is closed to me for the moment, I'll stroke my 'next app fix' mania by looking at backports through aptiude.
[06:30] <Cybermagellan> anyone here ever use proftp?
[06:30] <crimsun> the daemon? yes.
[06:31] <Cybermagellan> crimsun, how do you change the directory that your given access to?
[06:31] <dcraven> nickrud: My machine is really a hodge-podge between hoary, breezy, and backports now. I dunno what is from where anymore.
[06:31] <count0nz> dcraven, oh thats evil :)
[06:31] <nickrud> dcraven, learn aptitude, it will tell you all
[06:31] <crimsun> Cybermagellan: the default one, or...?
[06:32] <crimsun> Cybermagellan: have you checked the docs on proftpd's web site?
[06:32] <Cybermagellan> Yeah I wanna change my default directory to /
[06:32] <nickrud> and save your ass from time to tome
[06:32] <Cybermagellan> reading now....
[06:32] <dcraven> nickrud: Well I can tell what is from where one package at a time, but I don't know how to get a list of all backported packages installed for example.
[06:32] <count0nz> aptitude rocks ;)
[06:32] <Cybermagellan> but figured I'd ask
[06:32] <Laforge> Ok does anyone know how to set up a network for cable?
[06:33] <nickrud> dcraven, there's a really useful search ability in aptitude, but I have to relearn it each time i use it.
[06:33] <nali0th> Laforge: plug it in?
[06:33] <Laforge> It is but i don't get internet
[06:34] <Laforge> I have a network driver, and for network all it has is Moden no eth0
[06:34] <nickrud> dcraven, aptitudes's search handling is the only printed document I keep
[06:34] <nali0th> Laforge: is your modem operational?
[06:34] <dcraven> nickrud: heh
[06:34] <timeless_> i installed vlc but i have no sound
[06:34] <Laforge> Yes, but it is set for dial-up
[06:34] <Laforge> i use cox
[06:34] <kestas> does mysql support joint queries?
[06:34] <nali0th> Laforge: you DO have a cable modem, right?
[06:34] <Laforge> Yes
[06:35] <nali0th> Laforge: if you have all cables properly hooked up, you might cycle power on the cable modem.  anything beyond that, i'm lost
[06:36] <Cybermagellan> Laforge, yeah where are you located?
[06:36] <Laforge> Well i think it is something about drivers for my card
[06:36] <Laforge> CA
[06:36] <Cybermagellan> Laforge, I am on Cox Cable
[06:36] <Cybermagellan> in AZ
[06:36] <Laforge> so am i
[06:36] <crimsun> timeless_: pgrep esd
[06:36] <Cybermagellan> What kinda network card do you have?
[06:37] <Laforge> ADMtek
[06:37] <james_> Does LVM come with a performance hit?
[06:37] <Cybermagellan> It has Linux drivers?
[06:38] <Laforge> yea but i don't know how to install
[06:38] <Laforge> it is a .c file
[06:38] <james_> cc file.c -o file
[06:39] <Laforge> http://members.driverguide.com/driver/detail.php?driverid=334721
[06:39] <Laforge> that is one but when you open the linux folder all there is, is a text fiel
[06:39] <timeless_> anyone knows how to install libddcss
[06:39] <Laforge> file*
[06:39] <thr1ce> join #slackman
[06:39] <thr1ce> oops
[06:39] <timeless_> libdvdcss
[06:39] <nickrud> thr1ce, I though you swore that off :)
[06:40] <thr1ce> haha
[06:40] <thr1ce> i'm on hoary, yes
[06:40] <thr1ce> would like to be running breezy, but.....
[06:40] <_simple> anybody here turn their moms onto ubuntu?
[06:41] <_simple> oO weird question
[06:41] <nickrud> but you can't give up the old stuff, huj?
[06:41] <count0nz> he needs his fix
[06:41] <thr1ce> just trying to get ahold of someone, actually
[06:41] <count0nz> sure sure thats what thay all say
[06:41] <_simple> my mom hits the virus scanner like every day, gets about 20 on average, usually plus that, and her computer runs like shit, on windows, my ram at 512mb would be like a 80% used and now on ubuntu it's at 30% load always and what not
[06:41] <tritium> _simple, actually, yes.  I did.
[06:42] <count0nz> Admit that you have a problem :)
[06:42] <_simple> i've been trying to
[06:42] <_simple> i'm going to slip a fake virus floppy into her comp
[06:42] <timeless_> anyone knows where i can get libdvdcss xine said i need it to play dvds
[06:42] <_simple> and then..like tell her the only way to fix it is go through the live cd :D
[06:42] <crimsun> timeless_: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:42] <_simple> to save her hassle.
[06:42] <_simple> she should give me something for this
[06:42] <count0nz> :)
[06:42] <nickrud> lol
[06:42] <Laforge> I found this about tulip driver
[06:42] <Laforge> ftp://ftp.scyld.com/pub/network/tulip.c
[06:42] <Laforge> tulip is the one i need
[06:43] <thr1ce> ick, tulip
[06:43] <thr1ce> I don't like the tulip driver :(
[06:43] <crimsun> Laforge: what's wrong with tulip.ko distributed in Hoary?
[06:43] <Laforge> i don't have it
[06:43] <_simple> i'm such a good son..
[06:43] <Laforge> or don't now where it is
[06:43] <Laforge> or how to load it
[06:43] <Laforge> lol
[06:43] <dcraven> tulip has worked well for me for years.
[06:43] <TheKark> why?
[06:43] <crimsun> sudo modprobe tulip
[06:43] <thr1ce> modprobe tulip
[06:43] <count0nz> _simple, sounds good to me :)
[06:43] <thr1ce> sudo modprobe tulip *
[06:44] <Laforge> for me?
[06:44] <thr1ce> still getting used to sudo :)
[06:44] <crimsun> Laforge: none other than yourself
[06:44] <Laforge> ok
[06:45] <Laforge> so what was that suppose to do?
[06:45] <thr1ce> load the tulip driver
[06:45] <crimsun> Laforge: just return you to a prompt
[06:45] <Laforge> ok it didn't look like it did anything
[06:45] <thr1ce> if it doesn't spit anything back out, it worked
[06:46] <Laforge> ok
[06:46] <Laforge> so now what?
[06:46] <thr1ce> now...use the internet, hopefully
[06:47] <crimsun> configure it. If you're in GNOME, use the Network preference
[06:47] <thr1ce> try to ping a site; if it doesn't work, you must set it up
[06:47] <crimsun> otherwise, edit /etc/network/interfaces, then issue the apprpriate command
[06:48] <_simple> how do i configure gnome bittorrent for certain ports to be linsteded for?
[06:48] <nickrud> Laforge, system->admistration->networking, should get you going
[06:48] <_simple> well what's "url open error (111 "connection refused") meaning?
[06:48] <Laforge> yea i am there looking but all i see is moden in the network list
[06:49] <thr1ce> no ethernet connection?
[06:49] <nickrud> Laforge, are you sure you are using a tulip card?
[06:50] <TheKark> what in the hell is a tulip card?
[06:50] <Laforge> not tulip but ADMtek on google talks all about tulip
[06:50] <TheKark> if anyone mind me asking
[06:50] <drummer87> hey.. i've recently set up samba shares and can view the shares on my XP box... _but_... it looks as if the files are writable, but i'm sure that's not safe as they are on ntfs
[06:50] <thr1ce> TheKark, tulip is a module used for ethernet driver
[06:50] <TheKark> onboard?
[06:50] <nickrud> TheKark, i was using a bit of shorthand, a card that uses the tulip driver
[06:51] <thr1ce> not necessarily
[06:51] <dr_willis> drummer87,  you are accessing 'shares' on a xp machine?
[06:51] <drummer87> is this right? i don't want to try and find out it's not safe.. or haw can i make them ro
[06:51] <drummer87> shared folders
[06:51] <bob2> drummer87: then they're not writable
[06:51] <nickrud> the only card/driver I have any real experience with :)
[06:51] <bob2> drummer87: linux won't mount a ntfs filesystem writable, at all
[06:51] <Laforge> so any idea what i should do?
[06:51] <pikaaa> artgh
[06:51] <pikaaa> i cant boot from cd-rom
[06:51] <thr1ce> dont' write to ntfs...it's a bad choice
[06:51] <dr_willis> drummer87, if they are on a XP box  - then they are written to by the XP os :P and thus should be safe.
[06:51] <pikaaa> is there a way to get into the setup with a floppy
[06:51] <crimsun> Laforge: use the Network config tool in System>Preferences
[06:52] <drummer87> i can view them and when i look at preferences.. it says i own them and have write access??
[06:52] <Laforge> All i see in System>Preferences is network proxy
[06:52] <dr_willis> drummer87,  if its a ntfs 'drive' that is shared by linux .. then Linux is doing the read/writing - and you do NOT want linux to be writing to them.
[06:52] <thr1ce> System->admin
[06:53] <thr1ce> then networking
[06:53] <bob2> drummer87: if you're using samba to share a ntfs partition, it will not be writable
[06:53] <thr1ce> ethernet doesn't show up?
[06:55] <Laforge> no
[06:56] <nickrud> Laforge, as a simple start, lsmod | grep tulip, does it respond with tuilp and some numbers?
[06:56] <Laforge> in terminal?
[06:56] <nickrud> Laforge, yeah
[06:56] <thr1ce> yup
[06:57] <Laforge> so do i type lsmod | grep tulip
[06:57] <_simple> i installed bittornado but can't find it, why is that?
[06:57] <drummer87> so.. can you assure me that when i go to 'smb://XPbox/SharedDocs/' in nautillus i won't be able to write anything? even though the properties say otherwise (755)?
[06:57] <nickrud> Laforge, exactly
[06:57] <thr1ce> lsmod | grep -i tulip
[06:57] <bob2> _simple: dpkg -L bittornado | grep bin
[06:57] <bob2> _simple: it's about 10 little programs
[06:57] <dr_willis> _simple,  i think it will pop up if you try to download a torrent file.
[06:57] <timeless_> anyone knows how to install libdvdcss
[06:57] <bob2> drummer87: why don't you just try it?
[06:57] <nickrud> thr1ce's works too
[06:57] <_simple> nah, gnome is popping up
[06:57] <bob2> timeless_: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:57] <timeless_> thanks
[06:58] <_simple> i did that bob2  but nothing
[06:58] <Laforge> ok came back with tulip 46112 0
[06:58] <drummer87> i don't want to mess anything up.. my mum will have my head :)
[06:58] <nali0th> timeless_: ubuntuguide.org
[06:58] <_simple> well nto nothing
[06:58] <thr1ce> that's good; it means the tulip module is successfully loaded
[06:58] <_simple> what is the command to launch it?
[06:58] <_simple> btornado or what
[06:58] <thr1ce> are you srue your network card uses tulip?
[06:58] <nali0th> thr1ce: ya think we need a bot to give out the help URLs, about every 15 minutes? heh
[06:58] <thr1ce> no kidding!
[06:58] <thr1ce> hehe
[06:58] <bob2> _simple: dude, read what I said
[06:59] <TheKark> god bittorrent is starting to blow
[06:59] <bob2> _simple: it's 10 little programs.
[06:59] <_simple> i did read
[06:59] <_simple> and i did what you said
[06:59] <nickrud> what ever happend to lexxan's bot, i thought it might be a keystroke saver
[06:59] <bob2> _simple: and you're not thinking then...those are the programs in the package
[06:59] <_simple> if only it said how to launch bittornado
[06:59] <bob2> _simple: duh, LISTEN
[06:59] <bob2> you don't "launch bittornado"
[06:59] <dcraven> nickrud: It got booted I think.
[06:59] <bob2> it's 10 little programs the do different things
[06:59] <bob2> if you want to download one torrent, use btdownloadcurses
[06:59] <_simple> they aren't showing up.
[07:00] <thr1ce> use python
[07:00] <_simple> oh
[07:00] <Laforge> I am almost 100% sure it uses tulip
[07:00] <_simple> heres an idea for me, go gui.
[07:00] <nickrud> dcraven, yeah, I don't know much about irc, let alone bots, but I am tired of copying and pasting that link and the root sudo link and the binary drivers link
[07:00] <TheKark> azureus
[07:00] <TheKark> or gnome bittorent client
[07:00] <bob2> yay for not trying to figue out things for yourself
[07:00] <_simple> bittornado*
[07:00] <_simple> yeah.
[07:00] <_simple> american way.
[07:01] <dr_willis> http://www.legaltorrents.com/index.htm   - for some legally free torrents :P
[07:01] <_simple> or should i know ti overnight?
[07:01] <bob2> nickrud: fix your irc client so you can do bin<tab> and get it
[07:01] <_simple> that always never works
[07:01] <dcraven> nickrud: Depending on the client, you can make shortcuts pretty easily.
[07:01] <bob2> _simple: did you read the list of programs? or just stare blankly?
[07:01] <bob2> the names are pretty clear.
[07:01] <_simple> i gave it a glance, didn't read a one.
[07:01] <bob2> good on you
[07:01] <dcraven> nickrud: In irssi, I type rootsudo<TAB> and get http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[07:01] <nickrud> gack, you telling me I need to switch to irssi, and learn something?
[07:01] <_simple> i'm sure it isn't difficult at all
[07:01] <bob2> nickrud: I'm sure xchat can do completion, too
[07:02] <timeless_> /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh this command doesn't work
[07:02] <_simple> only i've been using bittornado gui for awihle, and that's how i like using it
[07:02] <_simple> dear me.
[07:02] <bob2> timeless_: did you read the wiki page?
[07:02] <timeless_> it says no binary deb availbel
[07:02] <thr1ce> ok...i'm off to bed
[07:02] <dcraven> nickrud: Like bob said, I don't think irssi is revolutionary in that respect.
[07:02] <timeless_> yeah
[07:02] <thr1ce> good night all
[07:02] <timeless_> i sayed to run that sript
[07:02] <timeless_> script
[07:03] <nickrud> huh, I'm clueless here, so I'll go read or experiment, or someting
[07:03] <timeless_> bob u there
[07:04] <philc1> there are many automakes in synaptic; how do I chose which one to use when building from the CLI?
[07:04] <bob2> philc1: depends what you want to do with it
[07:04] <philc1> bob2: I want to run .configure using automake-1.9
[07:04] <bob2> philc1: you don't use automake when you run ./configure
[07:04] <_simple> | error(s):[01:04:46]  Problem connecting to tracker - <urlopen error (111, 'Co |
[07:05] <bob2> philc1: you don't need automake installed at all to do that
[07:05] <_simple> bob2: using the non gui just for you
[07:05] <philc1> bob2: I mean autogen
[07:05] <_simple> so the torrent ubuntu offers for the ubuntu dvd isn't working?
[07:05] <_simple> or up.
[07:05] <bob2> apparently so
[07:05] <_simple> how useful
[07:05] <bob2> yeah
[07:05] <bob2> they took it down just to annoy you
[07:05] <_simple> no so i would annoy you about it
[07:05] <nali0th> what does "automake" do?
[07:06] <bob2> the admins have been notified, they'll fix it when they have time
[07:06] <_simple> indeed
[07:06] <bob2> philc1: depends which version the software expects.
[07:06] <_simple> thanks for the help bastard :p
[07:06] <bob2> philc1: automake1.5 is the safest, iirc
[07:06] <bob2> _simple: you're such a pleasure to help, too
[07:06] <dcraven> Feel the love.
[07:06] <nickrud> I can, I can
[07:06] <mpm> g14: : thanks for the help before with the gnome-volume-manager; I'm enjoying learning and using xfce right now; it helps to be able to do everything without relogging :-)
[07:07] <bob2> nali0th: it lets you write software makefiles as skeletons describing just how you want to build your software
[07:07] <philc1> bob2: is there no way to arbitrarily set which automake you want to use? in gentoo you set the nv var WANT_AUTOMAKE=1.8 for example
[07:07] <_simple> feel it all over me please
[07:07] <_simple> i'll give out nickels
[07:07] <bob2> nali0th: then it converts them into ones 100 times longer that do all sorts of neat standard stuff
[07:07] <bob2> philc1: I don't know what you mean.  you can trivially install whichever one you want, and use whichever you like.
[07:07] <bob2> I'm not sure why gentoo would make you use one
[07:08] <kakalto> One thing I like about ubuntu is the originality.
[07:08] <kakalto> I have got 5 different errors on the same program so far...
[07:08] <psychonate|trave> lol
[07:08] <bob2> kakalto: have you filed a bug?
[07:08] <daniels> philc1: export AUTOMAKE=automake-1.8; export ACLOCAL=aclocal-1.8
[07:08] <kakalto> bob2, no
[07:08] <philc1> daniels: thanks
[07:08] <kakalto> bob2, it's my issue
[07:08] <daniels> bob2: he's talking about when using the automake wrapper with multiple versions installed
[07:08] <bob2> oh
[07:08] <daniels> gentoo has the mandrake wrapper
[07:08] <bob2> ah
[07:09] <kakalto> huh?
[07:09] <nali0th> bob2 ah, i stand mesmerized (iow, i havnt a clue....but i asked)
[07:09] <bob2> hah
[07:09] <bob2> nali0th: next time you compile something, glance at how long the Makefile.am is compared to the Makefile.in, that's what automake did
[07:10] <nali0th> bob2 ok will do
[07:11] <Laforge> that is my only problem, setting up ethernet
[07:12] <thechitowncubs> +1 people on Ubuntu (dad is converted)
[07:12] <philc1> daniels: this doesn't seem right: export AUTOMAKE=automake-1.7 && export ACLOCAL=aclocal-1.7 && automake --version
[07:12] <philc1> automake (GNU automake) 1.4-p6
[07:13] <thechitowncubs> thats 5/6 comps converted to ubuntu (the sixth one won't be converted,scanner issues, windows only programs, etc :/
[07:13] <nickrud> I working on mine
[07:14] <dcraven> I don't even have automake 1.4 installed.
[07:14] <dcraven> All others though.
[07:15] <nali0th> thechitowncubs: yes, i'm at a friends house converting him
[07:15] <Laforge> ... man i want to get this to work
[07:15] <daniels> philc1: right.  those variables change the behaviour of autoreconf, not automake.  use update-alternatives to configure the behaviour of automake.
[07:16] <dcraven> I've condemned all of my friends to an unopposed life of Windows useage.
[07:16] <philc1> daniels: will look into. thanks
[07:17] <nickrud> dcraven, that is the height of tolerance, you have my kudos :)
[07:18] <dcraven> nickrud: My friends and family phone me enough now because they can't print... I can't imagine what it would be like if I tried to install Linux for them.
[07:19] <nickrud> dcraven, that's the dark side of allowing people to use windows, it's easy
[07:19] <Laforge> So if i activate the modem, i don't have to input info for dial up and such?
[07:19] <dcraven> nickrud: They all have a Linux LiveCD though for when their machines become too slow to use properly, or if their setups get b0rked somehow.
[07:20] <dcraven> nickrud: Everyone they know uses it, and it's all they've ever seen. The easiness is questionable I think.
[07:21] <arnav> ubuntu is a good distro
[07:21] <dcraven> nickrud: I find it quite frustrating in comparison personally.
[07:21] <arnav> but linux sucks overall
[07:21] <jasoncohen> ubuntu supports ntfs partitions by default right? Neither Ubuntu or the Debian sarge installer allow you to choose ntfs in the install process but with debian at least i was able to simply add an entry in fstab
[07:21] <jasoncohen> can i do the same in ubuntu?
[07:21] <dcraven> arnav: To each their own.
[07:21] <nickrud> dcraven, it's easy, because we can point them at somebody else. Being someone's sysadmin can be a pain
[07:21] <Acer> About how long can I expect it will take before I get my ubuntu CDs?
[07:21] <dcraven> nickrud: Easier for me, yes. But I don't think easy in general. Certainly not easy on my nerves.
[07:23] <JDahl> dcraven, it would be easy... you ssh to their box and fix the problem
[07:23] <JDahl> dcraven, I hate nothing more than when father calls me about some obscure problem in Excel (I havent used Windows since 98, but somehow he trusts my knowledge on the matters to be infinte)
[07:23] <nickrud> dcraven, yeah, I get the calls, and for me it is a real pain because since I've been doing this for a long time, people assume I know their issues. Like I said, the dark side calls :)
[07:23] <bob2> arnav: #lame-trolling, kthx
[07:23] <bob2> jasoncohen: sure
[07:23] <bob2> jasoncohen: putting it in the installer is kinda silly, since you can't do anything with them but read them
[07:24] <dcraven> JDahl: I've thought of the ssh thing, but I don't think it's really practical. If I wanted to be a system admin, I'd apply for a job.
[07:24] <Laforge> Does anyone know how to set up an ethernet connection
[07:25] <jasoncohen> bob2, so, why should you have to edit the fstab immediately after booting if you could do it easily from the installer?
[07:25] <jasoncohen> just inform the user in the installer that NTFS is read only
[07:25] <bob2> jasoncohen: it should detect it automatically and add them to fstab for you without asking
[07:25] <dcraven> JDahl: As for the point about Excell problems and the like, I feel your pain. "So you've been taking computer science for 4 years and you don't know how to install a printer?"... Geez.
[07:26] <Acer> [01:27:51]  [Acer] : About how long can I expect it will take before I get my ubuntu CDs?
[07:26] <jasoncohen> btw, does ubuntu download security updates in second stage install? it seemed to have semi-up to date packages
[07:26] <bob2> Acer: no need to repeat, when did you order?
[07:26] <dcraven> Acer: I'm guessing nobody knows.
[07:27] <Acer> Today.
[07:27] <TheKark> hey, anyone have grub freeze at Grub Loading Please Wait?
[07:27] <bob2> then weeks
[07:27] <nickrud> Acer, mine took 8 weeks, for hoary
[07:27] <Acer> whoa tricc.
[07:27] <Acer> alright.
[07:27] <bob2> it should not take that long
[07:27] <dcraven> Acer: I ordered mine a few days prior to release, and still waiting.
[07:28] <thechitowncubs> Hey guys, how can i take a screenshot of a movie playing?
[07:28] <Acer> How long ago was the release? I just recently started looking into ubuntu...
[07:28] <nickrud> I couldn't figure out who would send me a package from switzerland, it took so long
[07:28] <thechitowncubs> In mPlayer
[07:28] <thechitowncubs> mplayer*
[07:28] <dcraven> Acer: I can't remember.. A month maybe?
[07:28] <thechitowncubs> when i try to print screen it is only blue
[07:28] <bob2> Acer: beginning of april
[07:28] <Acer> Ah, ok
[07:29] <bob2> thechitowncubs: what are you trying to do?
[07:29] <dcraven> Acer: Yeah.. I think it was the 10th.
[07:29] <JDahl> dcraven, my point is just this: being a remote problem fixer for someone using windows isnt necessarily easy - at least I find it hard
[07:29] <bob2> ie mplayer can just output pngs for you
[07:29] <thechitowncubs> Take a screenshot of a movie playing
[07:29] <geneo93> april 8 it was released
[07:29] <thechitowncubs> is there a way to do it from the GUI or via a keyboard shortcut?
[07:29] <Acer> So I might as well just download it then... What are the advantages to having a shipped CD over just downloading it?
[07:30] <Acer> Other than distributing it
[07:30] <bob2> daniels: is there any terrible hack to capture xvideo areas in a screenshot?
[07:30] <dcraven> JDahl: Yeah, it sucks.
[07:30] <bob2> Acer: nicely packaged and pressed
[07:30] <daniels> bob2: hmm, it should work
[07:30] <Acer> Ok
[07:30] <Acer> I think I'm going to go into work on monday and download / burn hoary
[07:30] <jasoncohen> the account created in the install process is askin to the root account in other distros?
[07:30] <Acer> and toss it on one of my linux boxes
[07:30] <jasoncohen> why can't you setup a non-administrative account?
[07:31] <dcraven> jasoncohen: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[07:31] <Acer> Thanks guys.
[07:31] <bob2> jasoncohen: of course you can, it told you all about this during the install\
[07:31] <jasoncohen> thanks
[07:31] <dcraven> jasoncohen: make another user, it is non-admin.
[07:31] <mpm> I have a friend that's super worried that if he enters IRC he might catch some virus or something (he's on windows) is there really a significant threat of invasion/hacking via irc??
[07:31] <daniels> bob2: hm no, turns up as colourkey
[07:31] <daniels> bob2: not that I'm aware of, sorry
[07:32] <dcraven> mpm: If he has the balls to go on the internet with a Windows box, he might as well go on IRC too.
[07:33] <nickrud> mpm, dcraven lol
[07:33] <dcraven> mpm: Tell him he's probably already infected, so he has little to lose.
[07:34] <JDahl> mpm, it depends alot on what IRC channels he goes to. If he goes to warez channels the chance is very real
[07:34] <mpm> he's seriously not really a newb though, he's the type to be behind multiple firewalls and flash his router firmware weekly
[07:34] <mpm> JDahl: good point
[07:34] <nickrud> dcraven, be carefull the darkside is present :)
[07:35] <kestas> mpm why would you need to be behind multiple firewalls?
[07:35] <kestas> seems a bit superfluous
[07:35] <dcraven> kestas: Sounds cool?
[07:35] <mpm> need?  I don't know;
[07:35] <kestas> haha yes theres always that
[07:36] <mpm> lol
[07:37] <rj`> I need some help -- I have 2 harddrives -- 1 harddrive contains my ubuntu installation -- the other is a 40gig harddrive -- i went to transfer the entire harddrive to the new 40 gig (im replacing it) are there any tools for this?
[07:37] <jasoncohen> is ubuntu going to patch firefox so that it can download extensions?
[07:38] <dcraven> rj`: cp -a? That might work.
[07:38] <dr_willis> Hmm.. I have been downloading extensions with my firefox
[07:38] <crimsun> add -p, too
[07:38] <dcraven> rj`: I'd have someone confirm that though...
[07:39] <crimsun> though I'd use tar with shell redirection
[07:39] <jasoncohen> dr_willis, how?
[07:39] <dcraven> crimsun: I think -a includes -p.
[07:39] <rj`> thanks
[07:39] <jasoncohen> dr_willis, i just tried with an updated firefox in ubuntu and it complains i need to upgrade to 1.0.4
[07:39] <crimsun> dcraven: yep
[07:39] <rama> totem-xine installation still wouldn't play mp3. what could be wrong?
[07:40] <nickrud> isn't there a howto on upgrading a drive?
[07:40] <seth> Are there any programs out there that allow scanning of NetBIOS across a network?
[07:40] <dr_willis> jasoncohen,  im useing the extensions I loaded befor perhaps.. lets see if i can install any NEW extensions
[07:40] <rexykik> can anyone help me out?
[07:40] <kestas> rj`: do you have only one partition?
[07:40] <dcraven> I'm out.. Later all.
[07:40] <kestas> rj`: youll need to copy all of it over to 1 partition, making sure you have a swap partition, and then reinstall grub
[07:41] <kestas> later dcraven
[07:41] <dr_willis> jasoncohen,  yep - that seems to be the case. its useing the old extensions and complaing about the new version also - lol
[07:41] <kestas> seth: nmblookup?
[07:41] <kestas> Places>Network servers anyway
[07:42] <rexykik> I just installed Kubuntu and some of my packages are corrupted...the Kcontrol package, which obviously holds a good deal of weight under KDE, seeing as many things have dependencies on it. I want to fix it, but apt-get isnt working, so I was told I need to delete all the partials from my partial directory and then apt-get update apt-get install...which directory is the partials directory?
[07:42] <nomasteryoda> nmap -sP <IP_ADDRESS>/24 ?
[07:42] <kestas> what do you mean corrupted?
[07:42] <seth> rexykik, ask in #kubuntu
[07:43] <nickrud> rj`, http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Hard-Disk-Upgrade/ , it's old school, but still works
[07:43] <rexykik> says when i apt-get upgrade that the kcontrol tarball is corrupted
[07:43] <seth> rexykik, ask questions about Kubuntu in #kubuntu.
[07:43] <rexykik> thanks
[07:43] <rexykik> i'm going
[07:44] <rama> for mplayer is there a special repository?
[07:45] <HrdwrBoB> nickrud: heh I just stick it in the storage server :)
[07:45] <HrdwrBoB> keep this machine on a paltry 40gb
[07:45] <Laforge> i will be back later with my problem when more people are online
[07:46] <jasoncohen> dr_willis, the extension problem is known. Mandrake just included a patch to fix it. The only solution right now is to use 1.0.4 which is what i did on my debian box
[07:47] <jasoncohen> unstable had 1.0.4 a day after it was released i believe
[07:47] <nickrud> HrdwrBoB, I've been running on 2 disks, 15 &30 GB for a while. Get's interesting, sometimes
[07:47] <HrdwrBoB> ouch
[07:47] <nickrud> I like challenges
[07:47] <HrdwrBoB> I have 200gb,20gb,40gb,40gb,80gb,120gb,120gb disks
[07:48] <HrdwrBoB> so all up... a lot of storage
[07:48] <nickrud> plus I'm obviously a lot cheaper than you :)
[07:48] <jasoncohen> hmm, i never thought i would actually like gnome
[07:48] <jasoncohen> but gnome 2.10 on ubuntu is very nice
[07:48] <johndal> hi there
[07:48] <jasoncohen> HrdwrBoB, i have a 80 GB, a 160 GB, a 160 GB, a 160 GB
[07:48] <nickrud> but, it's time for a change, I'm finally gonna get another machine
[07:49] <johndal> Im havina a problem
[07:49] <jasoncohen> a 425 GB LVM for mythtv, and the rest for the OS
[07:49] <johndal> could you please help me _
[07:50] <nickrud> The only real downside, I have to actually learn about lvm and friends
[07:51] <jasoncohen> if ubuntu did automatically mount my windows partition where would it be located?
[07:51] <jasoncohen>  /mnt ?
[07:52] <nickrud> jason_, mount as a command in a terminal will tell you what is automatically mounted
[07:53] <saber_> if you type "fdisk -l" it will list the available partitions on the system
[07:53] <nickrud> heh, jasoncohen ^^
[07:53] <jasoncohen> as i suspected, it wasn't mounted
[07:53] <zaydana> hey... what packages should i install to start dev work?
[07:54] <zaydana> or is there a FAQ about it somewhere?
[07:54] <zaydana> i'm thinking anjuta, g++, etc
[07:54] <saber_> well, it depends. what will you be developing? :)
[07:54] <zaydana> games
[07:54] <kestas> in what?
[07:54] <nickrud> zaydana, build-esential gets you the basics
[07:54] <zaydana> c++
[07:54] <kestas> 3d or non-3d?
[07:54] <zaydana> i use clanlib (www.clanlib.org) so i'm gonna need to compile that for myself
[07:54] <zaydana> well, both
[07:54] <zaydana> but I use openGL
[07:55] <zaydana> i've already got the fglrx-dev package
[07:55] <zaydana> anything after build-essential?
[07:55] <moist> /back
[07:56] <bigfoot> hi. in windows OS, to select multiple items, you can hold down CTRLwhile clicking the desired items. How do we do this in Ubuntu/Linux?
[07:56] <moist> whats the command to reverse the /away command
[07:56] <linuxamoeba21> bigfoot: same way
[07:56] <nickrud> bigfoot, the same
[07:57] <bigfoot> linuxamoeba21, nickrud, it does not work for me.
[07:57] <nickrud> eh
[07:57] <linuxamoeba21> im trying to install the amarok music player, which i can do fine from the ubuntu packages, but there are no ubuntu packages for the engine plugins!
[07:58] <bigfoot> however, selecting a range of items using Shift works
[07:58] <linuxamoeba21> (so i can't play mp3s)
[07:58] <crimsun> linuxamoeba21: (in universe)
[07:58] <nickrud> bigfoot, all I can say is I did it today
[07:58] <linuxamoeba21> found it but dependencies fail
[07:59] <crimsun> on?
[07:59] <linuxamoeba21> amarok-engines:
[07:59] <linuxamoeba21>   Depends: amarok (=1.2.3-1) but 2:1.2.3-1ubuntu4 is to be installed
[07:59] <linuxamoeba21>  Depends: amarok-gstreamer but it is not going to be installed
[07:59] <linuxamoeba21>  Depends: amarok-xine but it is not going to be installed
[07:59] <bigfoot> when I use CTRL, and then press and hold mouse button, it drags the window
[07:59] <bob2> linuxamoeba21: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[07:59] <linuxamoeba21> ...?
[08:00] <bob2> which part of that confused you?
[08:00] <w0wie> i gots a quarm, my util-linux package is installed but /sbin/getty seems not to be in /sbin nor is hwclock, any ideas how i can get these installed
[08:00] <linuxamoeba21> nevermind
[08:00] <bigfoot> Holding CTRL and then pressing mouse turns the mouse arrow into  a plus sign, and it functions as a dragger/move window.
[08:00] <zaydana> rj...
[08:00] <zaydana> do i know you?
[08:01] <bob2> w0wie: what has happened to your disk?
[08:01] <jasoncohen> how do i set filepermissions on a read-only ntfs partition?
[08:01] <rj`> zaydana: ?
[08:01] <jasoncohen> i want users to be able to access it
[08:01] <nickrud> bigfoot, what machine are you running on, the alt key does the move window thing for me
[08:01] <zaydana> nm, i know somebody called rj on anoher network
[08:01] <bob2> jasoncohen: same as with any other non-unix filesystem, with mount options.  umask=002 is probably what you want
[08:01] <w0wie> bob2: i installed libc6 breezy by accident, so i updated to breezy which decided to rid me of it
[08:02] <linuxamoeba21> its there
[08:02] <crimsun> linuxamoeba21: you don't have universe enabled
[08:02] <bigfoot> nickrud, i'm running a pentium type of PC.
[08:02] <bob2> w0wie: file a bug if no one else has, I guess
[08:02] <crimsun> linuxamoeba21: and why do you have sarge listed?
[08:02] <bob2> breezy = you get to keep the pieces
[08:02] <zaydana> lmao
[08:02] <w0wie> hehe
[08:02] <zaydana> now i look at the nicklist "rj-away_" is the same person i know fmo the other server
[08:02] <jasoncohen> bob2, thanks
[08:02] <zaydana> tis a small world
[08:03] <linuxamoeba21> crimsun: uh... dont remember. its late.
[08:03] <nickrud> bigfoot, hang around, and ask again, there's a control for that, I just don't remember it
[08:03] <linuxamoeba21> how do i do the universe thing? i thought i had it but i reinstalled recently
[08:03] <ivoks> for what?
[08:03] <bigfoot> nickrud,  maybe i somehow changed the default setting, but if so, i don't  remember what i did.
[08:04] <ivoks> bigfoot: what's the problem?
[08:05] <nickrud> ivoks, bigfoot is having problems with control selecting files in nautilus, it's moving windows, instead of selecting files
[08:05] <ivoks> huh
[08:05] <nickrud> heh, not a clear exposition, on rereading
[08:06] <nickrud> bigfoot, please repeat
[08:06] <crimsun> linuxamoeba21: Synaptic>Settings>Repositories
[08:07] <linuxamoeba21> crimsun: i added deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[08:07] <crimsun> linuxamoeba21: eeek
[08:07] <linuxamoeba21> per the ubuntu website
[08:07] <ivoks> why does everybody uses that?
[08:07] <ivoks> linuxamoeba21: which site?
[08:07] <linuxamoeba21> crimsun: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:07] <bigfoot> ivoks, In windows, to select multiple items, one holds down the CTRL button while selecting the desired items. I can't get the same effect in Ubuntu. Perhaps I made some changes on one sleepy night and I don't know how to undo it. The ALT function (to select a range of items) works fine, though.
[08:08] <Burgundavia> bigfoot, you running breezy?
[08:08] <ivoks> bigfoot: alt? range? shift is for range
[08:08] <bigfoot> Burgundavia, nope. i'm running hoary 5.04
[08:08] <Burgundavia> bigfoot, ok, just wondering
[08:08] <tennlaw207> later
[08:08] <linuxamoeba21> crimsun: so whats the real repository im supposed to add?
[08:09] <bigfoot> ivoks, you're right. I meant Shift.
[08:09] <bigfoot> Shift works fine for range.
[08:09] <ivoks> bigfoot: so, insted selecting file, it moves you window?
[08:09] <crimsun> linuxamoeba21: Ubuntu's "real" universe.
[08:09] <bigfoot> ivoks, yes.
[08:09] <linuxamoeba21> ...
[08:09] <linuxamoeba21> where>
[08:09] <ivoks> bigfoot: system -> pref -> windows
[08:09] <ivoks> bigfoot: choose another key for moving windows
[08:09] <crimsun> linuxamoeba21: deb http://CC.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary universe
[08:10] <crimsun> linuxamoeba21: (CC being country code)
[08:10] <ivoks> bigfoot: alt, for example
[08:10] <linuxamoeba21> roxx
[08:11] <ferchO> hi... anyone know of a way to run microsoft office 2003 on ubuntu.. i think crossover office doesnt work with office 2003
[08:12] <Burgundavia> ferchO, is OpenOffice not good enough?
[08:13] <bigfoot> ivoks, it works! I made my "Windows" key the key for moving windows. Do you recommend using the Windows Key this way?
[08:13] <bigfoot> How do you use the Windows Key?
[08:13] <bigfoot> By the way, I am using a Japanese (106 key) keyboard. Is there a way I could make use of the other special keys?
[08:13] <linuxamoeba21> crimsun: success! many cool points are bestowed upon thee
[08:14] <ivoks> i use windows key for some window actions, like win+q, win+s, win+w, win+a, win+m, but that's me...
[08:14] <nickrud> hmm, I can't see the terminal in there
[08:14] <ivoks> time to go...
[08:14] <ivoks> bye all
[08:14] <crimsun> cya
[08:14] <linuxamoeba21> thanks very much. later all
[08:15] <bigfoot> ivoks, thank you!
[08:15] <ivoks> np
[08:16] <rj`> i cant switch to virtual consoles with my logitech multimedia keyboard -- any ideas?
[08:16] <rj`> ctrl+alt f1 dosnt work
[08:16] <rj`> but works fine in other workstations running ubuntu
[08:16] <Tritis> Push your flock key
[08:16] <ferchO> Burgundavia i read on their page that crossover wont run office 2003
[08:16] <Tritis> F-Lock
[08:16] <rj`> oh
[08:16] <rj`> thank you!
[08:17] <Tritis> rj`: you're welcome.  You should also be able to map the F-Alternate keys to stuff using the Keyboard Shortcuts menu
[08:17] <rj`> Tritis: thank's good tip!
[08:17] <Burgundavia> ferchO, Try openoffice, and if that doesn't work, then try office 2003 under crossover. I remember reading something about it too
[08:19] <ferchO> i dont like openoffice
[08:20] <ferchO> its too slow
[08:20] <jasoncohen> i really like the gnome desktop environment that ubuntu uses. It's very slick
[08:20] <jasoncohen> and i've been using KDE for a year and a half
[08:20] <nickrud> I'd like to learn a bit about using irc more effectively, cane some one point me to a useful url?
[08:20] <crimsun> irchelp.org
[08:21] <jasoncohen> ubuntu seems to have all the advantages of debian w/ security updates and a much better default gnome interface
[08:21] <nickrud> umm, more along the lines of getting the most out of particular clients
[08:22] <jasoncohen> nickrud, what client are you using currently?
[08:22] <nickrud> xchat, but I'm willing to learn something better
[08:22] <blackM00RE>  i have a problem : when using wvdial it says NO DIALTONE <> how can i stop wvdial looking for DIALTONE and get it to dial straightly ? same goes for all the other dialers
[08:22] <nevyn> atX3 :)
[08:22] <sunburnt> what version of ubuntu is the freeby they snail mail, HD install or Live CD?
[08:23] <nickrud> nevyn, me?
[08:23] <nevyn> no blackM00RE
[08:23] <crimsun> sunburnt: both
[08:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> sunburnt. x86 live and install, ppc and EM64T/AMD64 install
[08:23] <sunburnt> The DVD?
[08:23] <blackM00RE> nevyn > i mean the other dialers reports the same error that no DIALTONE FOUND
[08:23] <nevyn> right.
[08:24] <nevyn> put X3 in your modem initialisation string.
[08:24] <blackM00RE> how do i stop the dialers looking for dialtones ?
[08:24] <blackM00RE> where nevyn ? can u show me the whole string ?
[08:24] <nevyn> at&fX3
[08:25] <blackM00RE> ok ill try and then get back to you ..
[08:25] <blackM00RE> thanks nevyn
[08:25] <sunburnt> crimsun - Kamping_Kaiser: They mail the DVD?
[08:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> dont know
[08:26] <jasoncohen> is there a w32codec package for ubuntu- for windows media and quicktime formats?
[08:26] <Burgundavia> sunburnt, no
[08:26] <Burgundavia> jason_, in hoary-extras, as part of the ubuntuforums.org backports porject
[08:26] <jasoncohen> ok
[08:26] <jasoncohen> i think i hadn't added that source when i searched the last time
[08:27] <Burgundavia> nickrud, docs on what?
[08:27] <Burgundavia> jason_, you can drop marillat when you switch to that
[08:27] <nickrud> Burgundavia, docs that tell me, with no effort on my part, how to irc better :0
[08:27] <sunburnt> The Ubuntu versions offered are based on processor type & nothing's said about Live or HD.
[08:28] <sunburnt> There's no way to tell them what you want!
[08:28] <count0nz> sunburnt, the ship-ip cd's you get are both
[08:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> using shipit.
[08:28] <Burgundavia> sunburnt, you get both
[08:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> if using x86
[08:29] <Burgundavia> you get both for all archs
[08:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> have they changed the system?
[08:29] <Burgundavia> as Ubuntu has live cds for all 3 arches
[08:29] <sunburnt> OH! ... DUH!   I'm just catching up here, sorry about that!
[08:29] <nickrud> count0nz, what docs are you working on?
[08:29] <Burgundavia> they added amd64 and ppc live for hoary
[08:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> you didnt get live on ppc/amd/em64t for warty
[08:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah
[08:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> ta, thanks
[08:30] <count0nz> nickrud, mail server with av scanning imap, pop3 fetchmail
[08:30] <blackM00RE> another probelm : when i login(mine is autologin to a user) then it says HUL Error ? i resintalled HUL but still same thing happens. WHat to do ?
[08:30] <seth> Hey guys, what bit torrent client do you all use?
[08:31] <count0nz> seth, useing Azureus here just seems (pretty to me)
[08:31] <sunburnt> Does anyone know if the Terminal Server works with the HD install, Knoppix & Kanotix both break the term. server on HD.
[08:31] <nickrud> count0nz, good ones, imap and ldap for evo I maybe can contribute
[08:32] <tga> btdownloadcurses in screen is teh rules
[08:32] <count0nz> nickrud, np :) it will we a wiki page so anyone can add to it
[08:32] <seth> THe thing is, I need a GUI. I can work from CLI, but I prefer to have a GUI.
[08:33] <infie> can anyone recommend a nice firewall for my ubuntu machine which is sharing an internet connnection for a LAN?
[08:33] <nickrud> count0nz, I like having my contacts and mail separate from my home, I can kill things left and right and not lose anything important
[08:33] <jasoncohen> that's interesting. ubuntu has openoffice 2 even though debian does not
[08:33] <tga> you don't "work" a torrent sith, you just fire and forget
[08:33] <count0nz> nickrud, just have to sit down and start working on the server and geting things planed out nicely
[08:33] <infie> or is iptables in startup script ok nowadays?
[08:33] <count0nz> nickrud, same
[08:34] <infie> is there a "standard" ubuntu firewall thingummy?
[08:34] <count0nz> nickrud, you mean mailspool ? or mail on a seperate server?
[08:34] <Burgundavia> infie, I would try firestarter
[08:34] <infie> ta
[08:34] <Burgundavia> infie, it will configure iptables for you
[08:34] <liable> infie: have a look at firestarter or guarddog
[08:34] <nickrud> infie, shorewall is in main, which means it gets security support, firestarter is available and works
[08:35] <sunburnt> ANYONE....... Does Terminal Server work in the HD install of Ubuntu?   Or does no one use it?
[08:35] <peaceyall`> hey
[08:36] <nickrud> count0nz, i keep my mail in a Maildir in a separate partition, and use courier and procmail to drop mail there.
[08:36] <seth> sunburnt, yes it does.
[08:36] <count0nz> nickrud, i am not the best person in the world at writeing docs i just thourt theres no docs and if i use a wiki page people can help make it better
[08:36] <seth> sunburnt, I use it to get into my Win32 machine from work and at school.
[08:36] <count0nz> kewl :) ok sounds good when i start the wiki i'll tell you
[08:36] <sunburnt> seth: your sure?     Knoppix & Kanotix haven't fixed the problem yet, even in latest releases.
[08:36] <nickrud> count0nz, k
[08:37] <peaceyall`> when i close the lid on my laptop, it goes to hibernation mode , how can i stop that form happening
[08:37] <peaceyall`> ?
[08:37] <count0nz> going out :) (nooooooo)
[08:37] <seth> sunburnt, yes, I'm sure. Hell, I'm connected to my Win32 machine right now through the terminal server.
[08:37] <liable> peaceyall`: look in /etc/acpi/events, and change the lid one
[08:37] <peaceyall`> ok
[08:37] <peaceyall`> thanx
[08:37] <seth> I'm going to watch Kung Fu Hustle though, so I'm out guys, Later.
[08:37] <rixth> Is there any extension which would allow one to watch emnedded .wmvs?
[08:38] <sunburnt> seth: sorry,  just making sure as I've waisted a lot of time on the other Linuxes.
[08:39] <blackM00RE> another probelm : when i login(mine is autologin to a user) then it says HUL Error ? i resintalled HUL but still same thing happens. WHat to do ?
[08:41] <tnlaw2> my bitch
[08:41] <nickrud> rixth, I use mozilla-mplayer, it plays most everything I point it at in epiphany
[08:41] <tnlaw2> was it nice?
[08:42] <tnlaw2> i need help i have wheeler wireless
[08:42] <tnlaw2> how do you install the sue extractor?
[08:43] <rixth> nickrud, thanks, I'll take a look.
[08:43] <nickrud> rixth, there are things it fails on, but not many
[08:45] <saber_> i can't believe there are so many people here on a friday night
[08:45] <saber_> heh.. i can't believe i'm here
[08:45] <liable> saber_: saturday arvo here :)
[08:45] <blackM00RE> Help me : when i login(mine is autologin to a user) then it says HUL Error ? i resintalled HUL but still same thing happens. WHat to do ?
[08:46] <saber_> saturday is not too far off here, liable :)
[08:47] <nickrud> blackM00RE, could you post the complete error message to pastebin.com
[08:47] <blackM00RE> nickrud no erro message <> only a popup window saying HUL Erro and red cross logo with it
[08:49] <nickrud> huh, HUL error is greek to me, maybe you can log into a console, to a tail -f /var/log/messages, and get more info there
[08:49] <liable> apt-get update, apt-get -f install?
[08:49] <nickrud> blackM00RE, I mean set that up, then try logging in again
[08:49] <liable> oops
[08:49] <blackM00RE> ok nickrud
[08:51] <edwin> what is the default root password?
[08:51] <edwin> ubuntu setup didn't ask me for any root password
[08:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> your passworde
[08:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> *password
[08:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> there is no root password.
[08:51] <IIIEars> edwin - Ubuntu has the root password disabled by default. it uses the sudo model
[08:52] <nickrud> edwin, there is no root password, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:52] <elric> hello I am about to install ubuntu but I have a question... are rtl8139a nics supported out of the box?
[08:52] <nalioth> elric: yes they are
[08:53] <IIIEars> YES! - they work great!
[08:53] <elric> nalioth, thanks
[08:53] <nickrud> damn, I should be count brass
[08:53] <nalioth> elric: those nics are like roaches
[08:53] <IIIEars> "roaches"?
[08:53] <nalioth> elric: the chipsets are in everything (it seems)
[08:53] <IIIEars> oh
[08:53] <peaceyall`> would it screw up my system if i delete /etc/acpi/lid.sh to stop hibernation on closing my lid?
[08:53] <fortran01> I am in a dialup. Is there some way to speed apt?
[08:54] <elric> yes, cheap cards... sort of decent for home use.
[08:54] <Boohbah> fortran01: give it a nice swift kick
[08:54] <nalioth> fortran01: get another account with your ISP and a modem that "shotguns"
[08:54] <peaceyall`> fortran01 unless u know a dsl proxy then no
[08:54] <nickrud> fortran01, no, you need a script to download overnight
[08:54] <IIIEars> fortran - there are CDs available by mail at no cost
[08:54] <IIIEars> there is an "Add Ons" CD also
[08:54] <nickrud> fortran01, apt-get --download-only
[08:55] <nalioth> elric: they may be cheap, but i've never had a bit of trouble with em
[08:55] <fortran01> CDs with the apt repository?
[08:55] <Boohbah> how exactly is the root login disabled, through PAM config?
[08:55] <IIIEars> Quite a few apps for Ubuntu yes
[08:55] <nickrud> Boohbah, you can add one, sudo passwd root
[08:55] <nate_> can anyone tell me how to stop my HD from spinning down after 5 secs on my laptop???
[08:56] <nate_> while running on batteries?
[08:56] <fortran01> if I use synaptic, and after clicking some stuff, are they downloaded to some repository in my local hard disk?
[08:56] <IIIEars> There is a way to make your system less secure by using the old fashioned root model also. - edit two files
[08:57] <nalioth> fortran01: yes to /var/cache/apt/
[08:57] <IIIEars> Obviously, - I am kinda partial to sudo - grin
[08:57] <billytwowilly> fortran01: if you select install and the download screen pops up then yes... Then they are installed, then the debs are deleted
[08:57] <nalioth> IIIEars: i thought the easy way to make your sys insecure was brought to you by microsloth
[08:57] <Boohbah> nickrud: so if you give root a passwd you can actually login as root? because the wiki says root login disabled
[08:57] <nalioth> billytwowilly: really? my debs are cached where i just wrote
[08:58] <nickrud> Boohbah, yeah, but instead of giving root a password, use sudo -i
[08:58] <IIIEars> lol - Install, Connect, Reinstall - lol
[08:58] <fortran01> nalioth: if I stop at the middle of the download, can I continue, or start from the beginning?
[08:58] <edwin> how do i use the apt? where can i get some article on it?
[08:58] <billytwowilly> mine aren't.
[08:58] <billytwowilly> edwin: man apt
[08:58] <nickrud> Boohbah, it's linux, you can do what you want, ubuntu has just selected a particular security model
[08:58] <nalioth> fortran01: it will p/u where you left off
[08:59] <nalioth> edwin: easy way: synaptic (a program)
[08:59] <fortran01> p/u?
[09:00] <nalioth> fortran01: p/u Pick Up
[09:00] <IIIEars> Ubuntu unlike many other distributions doesn't "Lock" you into anything. Suse and Linspire come to mind.
[09:00] <nickrud> Boohbah, it that sounded disjointed sorry.  I use sudo, because it's another security layer. If you really want a root password, sudo passwd root will allow you to set one
[09:01] <billytwowilly> IIIEars: how does suse lock you in?
[09:01] <nalioth> Boohbah: i like sudo cuz it keeps the spontaneous reinstalls down to a minimum
[09:01] <infie> I installed firestarter...
[09:01] <fortran01> nalioth: thanks much
[09:01] <infie> # DHCP configuration generated by Firestarter
[09:01] <infie> ddns-update-style interim;
[09:01] <infie> ignore client-updates;
[09:01] <IIIEars> The Gecko? - just tried to get packages using apt get it wasn't even installed.
[09:01] <nickrud> Boohbah, but using sudo -i will, for all practical purpose, be sufficient
[09:01] <infie> /etc/dhcpd.conf line 2: expecting a parameter or declaration.
[09:01] <infie> ddns-update-style
[09:01] <infie> ^
[09:01] <infie> /etc/dhcpd.conf line 3: expecting a parameter or declaration.
[09:01] <infie> ignore
[09:02] <infie> anyone familiar with firestarting hurting /etc/dhcpd.conf?
[09:02] <IIIEars> zapped that lizard with dd - lol
[09:02] <Boohbah> nickrud: i understand that, i don't use ubuntu, i don't think sudo is a good idea, and i'm wondering exactly how it's done, which i suspect must be a certain configuration of PAM
[09:03] <nickrud> Boohbah, your initial user created under ubuntu is added to the admin group, and the admin group is given all rights in /etc/sudoers.
[09:03] <nickrud> no pam, just sudoers
[09:04] <peaceyall`> wat does the command chvt 12 do?
[09:04] <IIIEars> Boohbah - It's not very hard to change edit the sudoers file and another file for remote root login
[09:04] <IIIEars> << I am kinda new at this so don't take what i say as gospel.
[09:04] <Boohbah> nalioth: spontaneous reinstalls? your box installs without your intervention? ;)
[09:05] <IIIEars> I appreciate the extra layer of security
[09:05] <_simple> why is java proving to be a bitch to install and use for me?
[09:05] <nalioth> Boohbah: when i used to use the non-sudo distros, i occasionally <ahem> caused myself spontaneous reinstalls
[09:06] <nickrud> _simple, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java method three
[09:06] <nalioth> Boohbah: spontaneous = unplanned or unexpected
[09:06] <_simple> yeah
[09:06] <_simple> i've tried two of those so far :D
[09:06] <IIIEars> Ubuntu = Senedipitous and welcome. - grin
[09:06] <nalioth> Boohbah: usually preceded by "OH SH**!! wtf have i done?!?"
 - Oops knowledge gap is showing - brb
[09:09] <nickrud> nalioth, a sort of in joke,
[09:10] <nickrud> we've talked before
[09:10] <nickrud> sort of, you've taken the next step there, now here
[09:10] <nickrud> 's a new next step
[09:11] <IIIEars> nickrud - were can i find a really old xaw library?
[09:11] <nalioth> nickrud: ah
[09:11] <xMaximex> how do I configure properly lm_sensors ?? The temperature and fan speed are not the same in linux than in the bios
[09:11] <nickrud> IIIEars, you don't want anyting other than xorg, why do you want it
[09:11] <IIIEars> xscrabble - is whining for the bad old days. - lol
[09:11] <nalioth> nickrud: sort of like how CherryOS emulates a PPC at 10x your system speed?
[09:11] <Boohbah> nickrud: i guess that is a good point of using sudo, to save yourself from acidentally doing bad things logged in as root, but i usually leave a root terminal open all the time and just use a different color for the bash prompt to tell it from a normal user
[09:12] <nickrud> IIIEars, you still messing with that, I thought you were trying mplayer
[09:12] <nickrud> Boohbah, I do the same, except the whole damn background is vivid red
[09:13] <IIIEars> I struggled with it. finished it i thought and came up with a a screen ful of entertaining errors - going to try again in a week or two
[09:13] <arnav> ubuntu is a good distro
[09:13] <arnav> but linux sucks overall
[09:13] <nickrud> once burned is a lesson learned
[09:14] <Kimppa> Hi. I get the following error when trying to play an mp3 with amarok: "[Gstreamer Error]  Could not determine type of stream". I've tried to change the engine but it doesn't help. xmms plays mp3s just fine
[09:14] <bob2> arnav: please /msg me if you plan to do anything other than joining and saying that over and over
[09:14] <tga> arnav: thank you for your insight, enjoy using whatever it is you're using, goodbye
[09:14] <bob2> Kimppa: did you install gstreamer0.8-mad?
[09:14] <IIIEars> Xscrabble - looks easier?
[09:14] <jasoncohen> what do i need in order to install the build-deps for mythtv?
[09:15] <jasoncohen> it says there is no mythtv source package
[09:15] <Kimppa> bob2: not sure... but what's weird is that amarok stopped wotking WHILE I was listening to mp3 with it
[09:15] <bob2> Kimppa: did you change anything since then? e.g. update anything?
[09:15] <Kimppa> bob2: yes, I have gstreamer0.8-mad installed
[09:15] <nalioth> Kimppa: sounds like a windoze error to me
[09:16] <Kimppa> bob2: "I didn't do anything"... at least I can't remember doing anything special while it happened. I've updated my system several time since, tho
[09:16] <deFrysk> Kimppa, if you use amarok in gnome set outputsink to esd of gstreamer-engine
[09:17] <bob2> Kimppa: hm, ok.
[09:17] <Kimppa> deFrysk: that's what I have
[09:17] <deFrysk> Kimppa, is the mp3file "valid"
[09:17] <deFrysk> ?
[09:17] <Kimppa> yes it is
[09:18] <deFrysk> Kimppa, perhaps try the xine engine in amarok
[09:18] <deFrysk> that one works fine too
[09:18] <IIIEars> Kimpa - there are some old kazzaa mp3's that will nuke any player on any OS.  - i think RIAA was going through a "phase" - lol
[09:18] <Kimppa> ok... got it working now
[09:19] <_simple> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[09:19] <_simple> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[09:19] <_simple> what does this mean? :/
[09:20] <nickrud> _simple, you probably have synaptic open
[09:20] <bob2> that apt/dpkg/synaptic/aptitude is running elsewhere
[09:20] <bob2> or that one of them crashed and left a lockfile around
[09:20] <_simple> heh i did :/
[09:20] <jasoncohen> i can't find transcode in any of the ubuntu sources
[09:20] <jasoncohen> but i can see gtranscode which depends on transcode..what's going on?
[09:20] <bob2> yes, it fails to build from source anymore
[09:20] <bob2> someone needs to fix it
[09:21] <jasoncohen> apparently transcode isnt' available according ot packages.ubuntu.com
[09:22] <bob2> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/t/transcode/
[09:22] <bob2> as I said, it fails to build from source anymore.  if people want it in ubuntu, someone has to fix it.
[09:22] <bob2> the above link shows you what went wrong with the build
[09:22] <jasoncohen> i didn't know you were speaking to me
[09:22] <jasoncohen> sorry
[09:23] <bob2> it seems to just be a broken build-dep
[09:23] <jasoncohen> can i use the debian testing build?
[09:23] <bob2> np
[09:23] <jasoncohen> that would be a no i guess, heh
[09:23] <bob2> that will probably work
[09:23] <nalioth> jasoncohen: if you like i can post a repo here for transcode
[09:23] <jasoncohen> nalioth, that would be nice
[09:23] <jasoncohen> i need it for mythdvd
[09:23] <nalioth> i got it working on my PPC from here .. hang on and let me find it
[09:23] <nickrud> hm, I guess you have to know the people to get to there
[09:24] <IIIEars> <hand poised over mouse like a cat about to capture the link>
[09:24] <jasoncohen> thanks in advance nalioth
[09:24] <nalioth> jasoncohen: did you look in backports?
[09:24] <jasoncohen> lol, thank god i wrote a dependency list. i just installed 50 mythtv deps in 30 seconds :)
[09:24] <IIIEars> Is it really free? - Gawd years of windows use has me brainwashed.
[09:25] <jasoncohen> nalioth, yes, i have hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[09:25] <jasoncohen> and hoary main universe multiverse restricted ..i.e - everything
[09:25] <chocoIate> i just followed this guie to setup my external usb modem -->> http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/index.php/id;921278514;fp;512;fpid;1626109420 ; how do i know its working though, most of all how do i dial lol
[09:26] <jasoncohen> nalioth, did you find the link to transcode?
[09:26] <peaceyall`> jasoncohen , transcode for avi?
[09:27] <Razor-X> what's a good Linux MPG encoder?
[09:27] <tga> Razor-X: mencoder maybe
[09:27] <peaceyall`> ya mencoder
[09:28] <chocoIate> theres a brief section here that the writer has written and i guess he assumes i should already know what i'm doing but does not assume that i could be a noob who is trying to use linux for the first time and who most probably does not know what he talking about, more over someone trying to setup their modem is likely to be a total noob :S
[09:28] <jasoncohen> transcode - Utility to encode raw video/audio streams
[09:28] <chocoIate> the breif section on how to connect --->> With all the USB modem drivers loaded, you are now ready to connect to the Internet. Insert (or replace) the device location of your USB modem - /dev/usb/ttyACM0 (Red Hat 7.2 uses /dev/input/ttyACM0) - into your Internet connection program or script.
[09:28] <jasoncohen> i don't really know what it's needed for. it's a build dep for mythdvd
[09:28] <chocoIate> which really does not tell me anything
[09:28] <bob2> a build-dep? hah.
[09:28] <nalioth> jasoncohen: transcode rox
[09:28] <bob2> chocoIate: sudo pppconfig
[09:28] <tga> chocoIate: once you have a modem device working fine you can use wvdial
[09:28] <bob2> chocoIate: configure it.  then run "pon"
[09:29] <jasoncohen> actually, i only have hoary-extras
[09:29] <nalioth> jasoncohen: dja get my pm?
[09:29] <jasoncohen> i don't have hoary-backports
[09:29] <jasoncohen> nalioth, i can't just use it from marillat?
[09:30] <nalioth> jasoncohen: try the repos one at a time until you get it either built from source or other
[09:30] <jasoncohen> what exactly is hoary-backports. it looks like it has new package versions
[09:30] <chocoIate> will wvdial be able to detect my usb modem :o
[09:30] <eyequeue> jasoncohen:  you nailed it
[09:30] <nickrud> speaking of marillat, why does the ubuntuguide list stable, testing and unstable as repositories? I mean, it's weird.
[09:30] <nalioth> jasoncohen: backports are newer versions of soft, compiled for hoary
[09:30] <jasoncohen> are they safe to use?
[09:31] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, hoary-backports is bad, because they tend to break upgrades
[09:31] <chocoIate> i shall try it, brb
[09:31] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, hoary-extras are safe to use, becuase they don't contain packages taht are in Ubuntu
[09:31] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, yeah, that's what i was thinking
[09:31] <bob2> nalioth: ubuntu guide is on crack
[09:31] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, I avoid them, but you can try at your own risk
[09:31] <nalioth> bob2 in what way?
[09:31] <nickrud> one place mentions unstable, crimsun said use testing
[09:31] <eyequeue> Burgundavia:  allegedly his use of "~" should eliminate that for hoary->breezy
[09:32] <bob2> er, I meant nickrud
[09:32] <nalioth> bob2 ah, a skid at 79wpm
[09:32] <Burgundavia> eyequeue, oh?
[09:32] <Burgundavia> eyequeue, can you point me at some docs that show that?
[09:32] <eyequeue> Burgundavia:  let me see if i can find a link
[09:32] <nickrud> bob2, yeah, so what's right, or is all of them a break it, and it's yours?
[09:33] <bob2> I don't know why people are using marillat at all
[09:33] <bob2> or why people keep recommending other people do it
[09:33] <nalioth> bob2 cuz it's in the wiki
[09:33] <IIIEars> bob2 - libdvdcss?
[09:33] <eyequeue> Burgundavia:  http://backports.ubuntu.org/faq.php item 9
[09:33] <deFrysk> marrillat I use for the mplayerplug-in
[09:34] <nickrud> bob2, it's a unstable thing, we carried it over
[09:34] <bob2> IIIEars: yes, but there's no need to point apt at it for one package
[09:34] <eyequeue> Burgundavia:  well, plus item 10
[09:34] <apsuva> how to install kde ?
[09:34] <nalioth> night all
[09:35] <nalioth> apsuva: install the "kubuntu-desktop" package
[09:35] <nalioth> night
[09:35] <nickrud> nalioth, I do remember crimsun telling someone to fix the wiki, to point at testing.
[09:35] <nalioth> nickrud: hmm will have to look
[09:35] <nalioth> later
[09:35] <tga> the *-desktop packages are huuge.. 3-400 packages
[09:36] <bigfoot> how do I clear the search words in the Dictionary applet?
[09:37] <IIIEars> eyequeque - is that nerd humor? just page after page of latin.
[09:37] <eyequeue> IIIEars:  huh?
[09:38] <eyequeue> IIIEars:  at http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/faq.php you mean?
[09:39] <IIIEars> Thanks for the link - I am always so-o confused. - grin
[09:39] <eyequeue> Burgundavia:  my bad, obviously i meant s/ubuntu/ubuntuforums/ sorry
[09:39] <eyequeue> IIIEars:  the first time i typed it i left out the forums part, sorry
[09:42] <nickrud> someday there will be an apt-get install <something> which will clear all this up
[09:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> Revenge of the Sith fucking rocks.
[09:44] <jasoncohen> does ubuntu have a meta package for basic tools needed to compile and build from source?
[09:44] <nickrud> jasoncohen, build-essential
[09:44] <eyequeue> jasoncohen:  build-essential
[09:44] <tga> jasoncohen: build-essential
[09:45] <nickrud> that's one apt-get install that clears things up :)
[09:45] <James> hey guys
[09:45] <James> i have a small ? for u
[09:45] <jasoncohen> heh, thanks
[09:45] <jasoncohen> anything else i'll need?
[09:46] <bob2> that's only a basic tool chain
[09:46] <bob2> you need to install whatever other build dependencies the specific thing you're trying to build need
[09:46] <jasoncohen> i know- i mean specific to building
[09:46] <jasoncohen> i have all the mythtv specific dependencies installed ...all 75 or so, lol
[09:47] <nickrud> jasoncohen, ./configure, fix, and repeat
[09:47] <bob2> build-essential is defined as "everything you need to compile a C or C++ hello world program", more or less
[09:47] <jasoncohen> i wrote up a file of all the deps so i could install all of them with one or two apt-get lines
[09:47] <eyequeue> jasoncohen:  sudo apt-get build-dep foo
[09:47] <James> i'm a windows user mainly, know all the ins and outs, right now i'm trying out the Ubuntu Live cd so i can test it out and see if i like it
[09:47] <apsuva> how to superkaramba install?
[09:47] <jasoncohen> eyequeue, mythtv apparently doesn't have a source package so i can't
[09:47] <bob2> apsuva: #kubuntu
[09:47] <HappyFool> James: and? do you?
[09:47] <eyequeue> jasoncohen:  ah, i hadn't seen which app
[09:47] <apsuva> hmm ok thanks
[09:48] <jasoncohen> np
[09:48] <nickrud> James, that's a decent taste of ubuntu
[09:48] <James> however as it was booting up from the rom i gave it my correct screen resolution but it is only at about 640X250
[09:48] <James> oh yes i do
[09:48] <James> i really like it
[09:48] <bob2> James: intel or nvidia vide ocard?
[09:48] <jasoncohen> the compile seems to be going fine. i'll be back if something goes wrong, heh
[09:48] <James> i've always loved firefox, and it's always been way above IE for me, I figured if a browser can impress me that much what about another system
[09:49] <James> hold on for one sec, bro is talkin to me
[09:49] <jasoncohen> it took me a while to figure out which deps i needed though becuase apt-get build-dep mythtv missed some for .18 and i had to apt-cache search every single one of the mandrake deps to make sure i had it
[09:49] <jasoncohen> and some of the namings were radically differeant
[09:49] <bob2> mandrake does name things weirdly
[09:49] <jasoncohen> different
[09:50] <nickrud> jasoncohen, a basic rule of thumb is drop any numbers for the lib, and add -dev
[09:50] <eyequeue> jasoncohen:  also be aware you'll typically want the -dev versions of libraries to get your header files
[09:50] <James> aight i'm back
[09:50] <jasoncohen> nickrud, yup, i did that
[09:50] <jasoncohen> but some just couldn't be guessed
[09:50] <James> yea i have navidia
[09:50] <nickrud> jasoncohen, I did the mandrake to debian thing, and I do feel your pain :)
[09:51] <toresbe> bob2: Mandriva! :P
[09:51] <bob2> James: might be a known bug then
[09:51] <jasoncohen> like libcdda0 = libcdparanoia0
[09:51] <James> that was the next place i was to look ;)
[09:51] <jasoncohen> eyequeue, yup, i know that too :)
[09:51] <jasoncohen> nickrud, actually, the switch hasn't been that hard. i really like debian testing and ubuntu is even cooler because it's more polished
[09:51] <James> i've had this problem with windows before, however, it's simple enough to run a diagnostics disk if all else fails, but since i'm running off a rom it's a bit difficult to make it recognize it from another
[09:51] <jasoncohen> though i miss not having gaim-otr
[09:52] <eyequeue> jasoncohen:  apt-cache search stringhere | less   can be your friend (curses for libncurses5w-dev)
[09:52] <James> thanks for the help bob2
[09:52] <toresbe> jasoncohen: What's that?
[09:52] <jasoncohen> i'll have to rebuild from debian's packages
[09:52] <nickrud> jasoncohen, I salivate at etch as a basis for future ubuntus
[09:52] <jasoncohen> off the record messaging
[09:52] <toresbe> jasoncohen: What's that? :P
[09:52] <nickrud> god, I am a geek
[09:52] <jasoncohen> http://www.cypherpunks.ca/otr/
[09:52] <HappyFool> James: if you go System -> Preferences -> Screen resolution, you don't get any better options?
[09:52] <jasoncohen> i build the mandrake rpms for it
[09:52] <eyequeue> jasoncohen:  not the same, but try gaim-encryption
[09:52] <James> that was the first thing i looked at
[09:52] <James> it won't let me change the res.
[09:52] <James> no other options,
[09:52] <James> thanks for the idea though
[09:53] <jasoncohen> toresbe, it provides encryption, perfect forward secrecy (even if one or both partie's keys are stolen no past or future conversations are unmasked)
[09:53] <nickrud> James, as bob2 asked, what video card do you have?
[09:53] <jasoncohen> i have used gaim-encryption
[09:53] <jasoncohen> the developer of gaim-encryption is very nice as well
[09:53] <toresbe> jasoncohen: useless yet cool :P
[09:53] <James> navidia
[09:53] <jasoncohen> but gaim-encryption doesn't have perfect forward secrecy
[09:53] <eyequeue> jasoncohen:  i think -otr is slated for breezy
[09:54] <jasoncohen> yeah
[09:54] <jasoncohen> it's in testing & unstable
[09:54] <James> he said it might be a known bug so i told him i'd look into that next
[09:54] <eyequeue> jasoncohen:  agreed that pfs is a GoodThing
[09:54] <James> just thought i'd give it a wack w/ some ppl
[09:54] <nickrud> James, take a look at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto, it may get you some more res's
[09:54] <HappyFool> he's on a live-cd
[09:54] <nickrud> James, but, you may need to install to have it work
[09:55] <James> yea, i'm giving it a test run
[09:55] <James> aight nickrud thanks for the tips
[09:55] <nickrud> James, if you have a spare 6gb, give it a try
[09:55] <HappyFool> James: well, fwiw, i'm on nvidia at 1024x768, on a full install. haven't had any problems.
[09:55] <James> if i don't install it on my personal laptop i'll def. put it on my desktop
[09:55] <James> Happy, thanks man
[09:56] <James> i think it would run on a full install
[09:56] <bob2> it's not a general thing
[09:56] <jasoncohen> damn...the compile had an error
[09:56] <jasoncohen> "cannot find -lXxf86vm"
[09:56] <jasoncohen> how do i do a search for that file?
[09:56] <HappyFool> jasoncohen: have you tried apt-file ?
[09:57] <bob2> install xlibs-dev
[09:57] <jasoncohen> not yet
[09:57] <jasoncohen> thanks bob2
[09:58] <jasoncohen> how does apt-file work? apt-file search string never gives me anything
[09:58] <nickrud> jasoncohen, packages.ubuntu.com
[09:58] <jasoncohen> apt-file search lXxfr86vm gave nothing
[09:58] <bob2> you need to initialise the apt-file database first
[09:58] <bob2> which means downloading tens of megs of stuff
[09:58] <jasoncohen> bob2, xlibs-dev is already installed
[09:58] <jasoncohen> bob2, how do i do that?
[09:58] <James> i appreciate you guys being so helpful, i have a distaste for being unknowing about any OS
[10:00] <bob2> by reading the apt-file mapage, I guess
[10:00] <eyequeue> i don't know if this is of use there or not: libxxf86vm1: /usr/X11R6/lib/libXxf86vm.so.1.0
[10:00] <bob2> jasoncohen: libxxf86vm-dev
[10:00] <nickrud> and jasoncohen drop the -l from the missing lib, when you search
[10:01] <daniels> (also, it's Xxf86vm, not Xxfr86vm
[10:01] <squareff> how do i AVOID my manua(utomatical)ly edited gconf files (in a bash *script*) be rewritten on gnome shutdown?
[10:01] <jasoncohen> bob2, how did you find that?
[10:01] <squareff> *manua(utomatica)lly
[10:01] <count0food> Nvidia 5500 and 440MX here no problems :)
[10:01] <jasoncohen> ok, the compile is chugging along again
[10:02] <bob2> jasoncohen: http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[10:03] <eyequeue> squareff:  no clue if this would work but, chmod them to 440?
[10:03] <nickrud> squareff, gconfd writes whatever it knows to the users gconf directory on closing, so look at using gconftool-2
[10:03] <squareff> nickrud: can gconftool-2 be used from a script?
[10:04] <nickrud> squareff, you should only need to use it once, and gconfd will remember it
[10:04] <squareff> eyequeue: that's an idea... i will try it
[10:04] <nickrud> the point of gconf, as I see it
[10:05] <Razor-X> what a rush
[10:05] <squareff> can't i just change the xml and then use a gnome tool to just reload the new settings in the memory?
[10:05] <Razor-X> it seems i'm even better in FPSs with a trackball
[10:06] <Deschanel> Does the newest version of Ubuntu will work fine on a m350 Gateway laptop. Because when  I tried the first version of Ubuntu, I got big resolution and color problems..
[10:06] <nickrud> squareff, I make the changes I want using gconf-editor, and it's remembered, I'm not sure what your're trying to accomplish
[10:06] <squareff> i am talking about ~/.gconf/desktop/gnome/peripherals/keyboard/layout/%gconf.xml
[10:06] <bob2> squareff: don't twiddle it directly
[10:06] <tbasten> Is it safe to upgrade to brezzy yet?
[10:06] <bob2> tbasten: no
[10:06] <tbasten> or is there still issues
[10:07] <Deschanel> Does the newest version of Ubuntu will work fine on a m350 Gateway laptop. Because when  I tried the first version of Ubuntu, I got big resolution and color problems..
[10:07] <squareff> nickrud: i don't think i can use gconf-editor in a bash script
[10:07] <Burgundavia> tbasten, there will be issues for a few weeks yet
[10:07] <_simple> what is the bash command to mount an nfts drive ?
[10:07] <count0food> tbasten, lol nooooooooooooooooooooo
[10:07] <tbasten> :P
[10:07] <bob2> Deschanel: no need to ask more than once
[10:07] <hacker54> Obunto Lunix
[10:07] <tbasten> I got a partial breezy system
[10:07] <tbasten> :p
[10:07] <bob2> Deschanel: if you can't find anything on google, then you'll just have to try it
[10:07] <Deschanel> since noone answered it..
[10:07] <nickrud> squareff, is this bash script meant to be used when setting up a new user, a one time thing or some such
[10:08] <HappyFool> _simple: mount /dev/hdb1 /media/windows ?
[10:08] <bob2> no
[10:08] <bob2> you need -t ntfs -o umask==02
[10:08] <bob2> er, umask=002
[10:08] <squareff> nickrud: no, it is meant to be used repeatedly and with the assumption that the user *might* be running gnome
[10:08] <HappyFool> ah, i thought it would auto-detect
[10:09] <hacker54> linux is the shit to use
[10:09] <squareff> nickrud: but changes don't need to be applied to the current session
[10:09] <tbasten> sif linux is still shit to use
[10:09] <netcat> holas wenas
[10:09] <nickrud> squareff, ah, I think I see, and gconftool-2 is what you want for a script
[10:10] <squareff> gconftool-2 is text mode?
[10:10] <jasoncohen> um, i can't seem to find the kernel source for my kernel
[10:10] <nickrud> squareff, yes, a command line tool for manipulating ~/.gconf/desktop/gnome/peripherals/keyboard/layout/%gconf.xml
[10:10] <squareff> nickrud: that's very nice
[10:10] <squareff> thank you
[10:11] <jasoncohen> ah it's called linux-source
[10:11] <jasoncohen> weird
[10:11] <HappyFool> jasoncohen: if you just need headers, try something like linux-headers-386
[10:11] <kingsley> Does anyone here happen to know of an email autoresponder that's up and running?
[10:11] <nickrud> squareff, I still think you're making life difficult, but I don't know your needs :)
[10:11] <count0nz> :P
[10:11] <bob2> jasoncohen: why do you want the kernel source?
[10:11] <eyequeue> jasoncohen:  kernel-* in debian, linux-* in ubuntu :)
[10:12] <count0nz> kingsley<EMAIL_ADDRESS>lol
[10:12] <zzyber> Hi! Can someone help me find my camera. I have connected my samsung camera/phone to usb and i get this in /ver/log/messages "PL-2303 converter now attached to tty USB0" In mount i get "usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs" What can i do?
[10:12] <count0nz><EMAIL_ADDRESS>;)
[10:12] <squareff> should i use "--install-schema-file=FILENAME"?
[10:12] <jasoncohen> bob2, i need the headers to compile ivtv
[10:12] <CybeRbl00D> hello
[10:13] <jasoncohen> and i might want to rebuild the kernel
[10:13] <squareff> nickrud: should i use "--install-schema-file=FILENAME"?
[10:13] <jasoncohen> does the kernel have btaudio?
[10:13] <daniels> count0nz: 'president'
[10:13] <kingsley> count0nz: You're on a roll!
[10:13] <jasoncohen> i will definitely have to rebuild if it doesn't. debian's default kernel does
[10:13] <count0nz> daniels, :) lol true
[10:13] <bob2> jasoncohen: then get the headers
[10:13] <CybeRbl00D> How can i swap KDE to Gnome?
[10:13] <bob2> jasoncohen: linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[10:13] <nickrud> squareff, that I can say no to, the schema file comes from the package, but the exact syntax? heh
[10:13] <CybeRbl00D> How can i swap KDE to Gnome? plz help :|
[10:14] <jasoncohen> well, modprobe btaudio worked so i guess that's a yes
[10:14] <bob2> jasoncohen: /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686/kernel/sound/oss/btaudio.ko
[10:14] <HappyFool> jasoncohen: $ locate btaudio.ko -> /media/hda6/lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386/kernel/sound/oss/btaudio.ko
[10:14] <HappyFool> what is btaudio?
[10:14] <jasoncohen> whats' the disadvantage of kernel source v. kernel headers other than the larger size?
[10:14] <nickrud> squareff, examine the key you want to change with gconf, and you should be able to build the proper arguments
[10:14] <HappyFool> i think the kernel headers will include config info for the image you're running
[10:14] <nickrud> *gconf-editor
[10:14] <bob2> jasoncohen: the kernel source is useless for building drivers
[10:14] <bob2> right, what HappyFool said
[10:15] <bob2> any application that wants kernel headers is broken, tho
[10:15] <CybeRbl00D> someone can help me ??
[10:15] <HappyFool> heh. do you count kernel modules as applications? ;)
[10:15] <squareff> nickrud: right, thank you
[10:15] <bob2> CybeRbl00D: stop asking over and over
[10:15] <squareff> nickrud: i hope i will figure it out
[10:15] <seth> So, has anyone seen Kung Fu Hustle?
[10:15] <jasoncohen> bob2, in mdk i needed kernel-source
[10:15] <CybeRbl00D> :(
[10:16] <bob2> jasoncohen: mandrake is silly then
[10:16] <HappyFool> CybeRbl00D: have you tried installing ubuntu-desktop?
[10:16] <nickrud> squareff, luck, I played around with gconftool a while back as an exercise, and found that it's really only useful for setting up a new user
[10:16] <nickrud> a current user, change the key in gconf-editor, and it's good thereafter.
[10:16] <CybeRbl00D> i have debian sarge, with KDE, but i can't swap it to gnome
[10:17] <CybeRbl00D> i don't have the ubuntu cd right here
[10:17] <bob2> CybeRbl00D: come on dude
[10:17] <bob2> CybeRbl00D: #debian
[10:17] <CybeRbl00D> sorry
[10:17] <Razor-X> haha, my trackball is uber gamingo
[10:17] <deFrysk> :D
[10:17] <seth> So, has anyone seen Kung Fu Hustle?
[10:18] <bob2> seth: #ubuntu-offtopic
[10:18] <jasoncohen> there we go... chris kennedy's stable ivtv driver is compiled and installed
[10:18] <jasoncohen> now for Greyfoxx's custom niveus remote driver
[10:18] <jasoncohen> which unfortunately requires a complete make modules && make modules_install
[10:19] <bob2> in the kernel source?
[10:19] <jasoncohen> no
[10:20] <shinu> something is majorly wrong with my sys.when i type mail i get: mail: Message temporary file corrupted
[10:20] <shinu> vi keeps bugging me about some temp file name...
[10:20] <shinu> and my alt which was set to meta has suddenly stopped working...
[10:20] <bob2> perhaps your disk has been toasted
[10:21] <shinu> but everything else runs fine 0.o
[10:21] <jasoncohen> mythtv finished compiling
[10:21] <jasoncohen> i guess that was the only dep i missed
[10:21] <tbasten> Anyone know so good MMORPG's for linux?
[10:22] <tbasten> some*
[10:22] <HappyFool> heard of MUDs ? ;)
[10:22] <tbasten> me?
[10:22] <nickrud> oh, scrolling back, I have to wait for weeks for breezy?
[10:23] <tbasten> nickrud, yeah apparently
[10:23] <Madpilot> I've been playing with Ubuntu's desktop panels - is there a way to add seperators between app icons?
[10:23] <bob2> nickrud: it comes out in october...
[10:23] <nickrud> Madpilot, no, no spacers for the panel
[10:24] <jasoncohen> cool, i can build mythdvd without transcode. since i never transcode dvds anyways, that'll be fine
[10:24] <Madpilot> nickrud: thnx, was afraid someone would say that...
[10:24] <nickrud> bob2, I said a while back, I'll upgrade 05.08 probably
[10:24] <seth> If I have an ISO, how can I go about mounting that as a drive?
[10:24] <nickrud> just mildly wish for sooner
[10:24] <HappyFool> mount -o loop filename.iso /path/to/mount/point
[10:24] <tbasten> Whats the wine version u have to pay for? Whats it called?
[10:25] <seth> HappyFool, thank you very much kind sir.
[10:25] <Madpilot> does anyone know what the weather applet thingie uses for data? because it's about three hrs behind some of the official online reports I can get...
[10:25] <HappyFool> i can't remember if you have to 'modprobe loop' first or not
[10:25] <bob2> Madpilot: your national weather service
[10:25] <bob2> it's quite possible they deliberately cripple their reports to avoid """competing""" with private groups
[10:26] <seth> HappyFool, nope. No need to modprobe loop. I just did it without having to.
[10:26] <jasoncohen> so, breezy will be released in october?
[10:26] <Madpilot> bob2: is "they" the applet devs or Enviroment Canada?
[10:27] <bob2> jasoncohen: yes...
[10:27] <bob2> Madpilot: I don't know if it gets it from environment canada or the us NWS
[10:27] <MrSanta> someone can tell me where to get GSTREAMER-FAAD , i dont find it in multiverse or universe, an an olter downloadversion seems to be broken
[10:27] <Madpilot> bob2: interesting. this being open source I'm sure I could find out... :)
[10:28] <_jesse> I know this probably isn't the room for my question but here it goes.  lol
[10:28] <_jesse> I get a lot of crashing in Kubuntu. Mainly Konqueror and Kaffeine. If there any workaround for that?
[10:28] <bob2> try #kubuntu
[10:28] <bob2> as the topic says
[10:28] <nickrud> jasoncohen, there's a colony release already, but when the 'release candidates' appear, that's when I will start looking seriously
[10:29] <_jesse> I did.  Nobody seemed to have any ideas.
[10:29] <jasoncohen> huh...."the present kernel configuration has modules disabled. type 'make config' and enable loadable module support. then build a kernel with module support enabled"
[10:29] <bob2> or on their list, perhaps
[10:29] <jasoncohen> how is that possible? i just built ivtv as a kernel module i thought
[10:29] <bob2> jasoncohen: sure this isn't an old broken 2.4 module?
[10:29] <jasoncohen> nope
[10:29] <jasoncohen> i have it in 2.6.11
[10:29] <jasoncohen> and 2.6.8
[10:29] <jasoncohen> i just did make modules && make modules_install
[10:29] <MrSanta> GSTREAMER-FAAD?
[10:30] <jasoncohen> i extraced the kernel source to /usr/src/ and then made a symbolic link from kernel-source-2.6.10-5 to linux
[10:30] <jasoncohen> and did make modules && make modules_installux in /usr/src/lin
[10:30] <bob2> er
[10:30] <bob2> that won't work
[10:30] <HappyFool> eek
[10:30] <jasoncohen>  /usr/src/linux even
[10:30] <deFrysk> :/
[10:30] <jasoncohen> but i did that in debian
[10:30] <jasoncohen> bob2, what should i do?
[10:31] <bob2> in debian you'd built your own kernel
[10:31] <bob2> I don't know what you're trying to do
[10:31] <jasoncohen> bob2, no, i used the debian kernel
[10:31] <jasoncohen> bob2, i just want to build a tiny remote driver for my kernel
[10:31] <bob2> well, running "make modules && make modules_install" in a blank kernel source isn't going to do anything useful
[10:31] <jasoncohen> it's basically like the ati remote driver with some changes
[10:31] <bob2> why did you do that, first?
[10:32] <jasoncohen> i copied ati_remote.c to /usr/src/linux/drivers/usb/input so it would get compiled with all the others
[10:32] <shinu> damnit 0.o
[10:32] <shinu> i know what was wrong...
[10:32] <kingsley> Does anyone here happen to know of an email autoresponder that's up and running?
[10:32] <tbasten> kingsley, google.com
[10:32] <shinu> i ran out of space complately... and there was no space for swap files...
[10:32] <bob2> kingsley: if you're testing a mailsystem, make a hotmail/yahoo/gmail account
[10:33] <jasoncohen> bob2, i don't understand...i did this exact procedure in both debian testing and mandrake 10.1/2005LE and it worked
[10:33] <bob2> ok!
[10:33] <bob2> the kernel source you ran that in was not usefully configured
[10:33] <tbasten> jasoncohen, just do make menuconfig
[10:33] <bob2> no
[10:34] <bob2> copy the config from /boot/ to .config in the kernel source
[10:34] <kingsley> tbasten: I've been googling for a few minutes, but haven't found one that seems safe and works.
[10:34] <bob2> then run 'make menuconfig' and enable this silly module
[10:34] <count0nz> shinu, ouch
[10:34] <kingsley> bob2: Too much red tape.
[10:34] <bob2> then run 'make modules'
[10:34] <tbasten> lol, wont get much in here. There full of nerds who think there god
[10:34] <jasoncohen> ah, that's what i forgot to do
[10:34] <bob2> kingsley: in the time you've been asking you could have done it...
[10:34] <bob2> then do NOT run make module_install
[10:34] <bob2> copy the file manually to /lib/modules/
[10:35] <MrSanta> GSTREAMER-FAAD?
[10:35] <MrSanta> GSTREAMER-FAAD?
[10:35] <shinu> the no space left also prevented my xserver of running properly and i could use alt as meta 0.o
[10:35] <bob2> MrSanta: please stop being annoying
[10:36] <bob2> MrSanta: no one answered, that means no one knows
[10:36] <bob2> MrSanta: try asking on the user mailing list
[10:36] <tbasten> bob2, or maybe u couldnt be bothered
[10:36] <tbasten> :P
[10:36] <bob2> tbasten: couldn't be bothered?
[10:36] <bob2> to go research his/her question?
[10:36] <tbasten> nvm. I am sorry got for question your
[10:37] <deFrysk> ?
[10:37] <bob2> what does that mean?
[10:37] <tbasten> nvm.  Going to ban me?
[10:39] <toby> hi
[10:39] <tbasten> hi
[10:39] <jasoncohen> thanks
[10:39] <toby> has anyone here got photoshop cs running on ubuntu
[10:39] <jasoncohen> ah there we go
[10:39] <jasoncohen> cp /boot/config-2.6.10-5 .config && make-kpkg --confnig old configure
[10:40] <jasoncohen> then i can do make modules
[10:40] <nickrud> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats for MrSanta
[10:40] <jasoncohen> bob2, it's not a matter of checking off a module in the kernel to compile. this is a custom module. i don't want the one in the kernel as it won't work with my remote
[10:40] <jasoncohen> i need a customized ati remote driver
[10:45] <Myrtti> I wonder would anyone have any ideas what I should try about my mounting problem. I've been able to mount my USB-stick until recently. I cannot for the life of me figure out what is wrong. The stick shows up in /dev/sda1 and I'm able to mount is as root, but I can't do it anymore as normal user and the mounted drive doesn't show up on my desktop.
[10:45] <teknomaniac> hi ,i added to my panel report weather and i have weather for city which is about 100km from me,how can i change it ?
[10:45] <jasoncohen> bob2 nickrud : thanks for your help
[10:46] <Myrtti> teknomaniac: do you have an airport in your city?
[10:46] <toby> how do i install .sh files?
[10:46] <nickrud> jasoncohen, np, I did very little for you :)
[10:46] <teknomaniac> no i haven't
[10:46] <Madpilot> teknomaniac: rightclick on the wx icon, select Preferences.
[10:46] <pablo928> teknomaniac, right click on the icon and set your preferences
[10:46] <Madpilot> huge long list of wx sites there, not just airports
[10:47] <nickrud> Myrtti, is /dev/sda1 defined in /etc/fstab?
[10:47] <IIIEars> Working through some first example C++ programs. You know "Hello World" and others. - Using Anjuta makes me laugh out loud. It calls everything a "Project" and will insert the GNU license boilerplate automagically.  - Powerful free tools linux is incredible.
[10:47] <teknomaniac> o fu#k ,thx i'm stupid:)
[10:47] <HappyFool> toby: try 'sh filename.sh'
[10:47] <Hussam> Hi, I need help, I'm with a wrong clock. because at shutdown, the system fails to synchronize with hardware clock. It can't find /sbin/hwclock
[10:47] <MrSanta> Where do i find hoary-extras, need some packages from there...
[10:47] <Myrtti> nickrud: no
[10:47] <Hussam> how do I reinstall /sbin/hwclock ?
[10:48] <toby> that worked
[10:48] <toby> thanks
[10:48] <Madpilot> I now have six wx applets running... cool little applet!
[10:48] <nickrud> Myrtti, usb and hotplug and udev and gnome-volume manager all interact to put an icon on your desktop
[10:48] <HappyFool> Hussam: /sbin/hwclock is part of util-linux. I guess you could try reinstalling that package
[10:48] <nickrud> missed hal
[10:49] <kestas> is wx that portable widget set thing?
[10:49] <Hussam> HappyFool: ok thanks
[10:49] <nickrud> it's not exactly a working system yet
[10:49] <Madpilot> kestas: sorry, "wx" is shorthand for "weather"...
[10:49] <kestas> thats a weird shorthand
[10:49] <Myrtti> nickrud: so what should I do, where to look for an answer? Google? I've tried googling but I'm afraid I'm too tired or slow to find the right search terms
[10:50] <Madpilot> kestas: pilots (no, the nic isn't just random) tend to be odd! :)
[10:50] <kestas> ah pilot lingo eh
[10:50] <jasoncohen> anyone know where mysql stores it's db?
[10:50] <bob2> jasoncohen: eh? you need to enable it in the config so the kernel build system builds it
[10:50] <Madpilot> kestas: 'fraid so. I try to speak English when out in public, but slip sometimes...
[10:50] <kestas> /var/db usually jasoncohen
[10:50] <bob2> jasoncohen: or are you just overwriting an existing file?
[10:51] <jasoncohen> i'm just overwriting the existing file
[10:51] <nickrud> Myrtti, you could put /dev/sda1 /mnt/usbstick auto rw,user in /etc/fstab, and as long as your usbstick is the only hotplugged scsi thing, it will probably work
[10:51] <jasoncohen> oh yeah, does ubuntu automount usb keys?
[10:52] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, yes, if it doesn't it is a bug
[10:52] <Myrtti> it does, unless you've borked your things
[10:52] <Myrtti> like I have
[10:52] <Madpilot> Myrtti: "unless you've borked your things" - going to have to remember that very technical description! :)
[10:53] <MrSanta> gstreamer plugin called gstreamer0.8-faac (install from HOARY-EXTRAS). WHERE IS THIS HOARY-EXTRA, dont find it in synaptics
[10:53] <Myrtti> Madpilot: yes, well, I've managed to bork mine. I don't have a clue what I've done or what has been borked, so that very technical description is actually quite detailed ;-)
[10:54] <nickrud> MrSanta, it's at the top of the link i gave you
[10:54] <bob2> MrSanta: please stop it
[10:54] <HappyFool> MrSanta: section 2.2 of that page, '2.2 Hoary-extras'
[10:54] <jasoncohen> BurgerMann, yup...it automounts perfectly
[10:54] <jasoncohen> very nice
[10:55] <HappyFool> and the title's in all caps, so it should be just what you want ;)
[10:55] <Madpilot> Myrtti: been there, done that. Not (yet!) in Linux, tho. the time will come...
[10:55] <nickrud> borking is what makes linux fun
[10:55] <Myrtti> I was actually thinking of doing "the Windows way of fixing things"
[10:56] <Myrtti> ie. reinstalling the whole shebang
[10:56] <Myrtti> though my SO would be grateful for me hogging the line
[10:56] <Madpilot> ah, the "blunt object" method of tech support...
[10:57] <Myrtti> I hope this'll do the trick
[10:57] <IIIEars> Hussman -  It's a bit general - sorry.   http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/netsysm/article.php/3302411
[10:57] <Myrtti> I'm getting a wee bit desperate
[10:57] <HappyFool> izzat when you hit recalcitrant users with an o'reilly manual?
[10:57] <jasoncohen> damn, thank god i make daily backups of the myth db
[10:57] <nickrud> Myrtti, first, get a in a terminal, tail -f /var/log/messages then in another, sudo /etc/init.d/hotplug restart then /etc/init.d/udev restart
[10:57] <jasoncohen> after installing ubuntu i got kernel panics in mythtv
[10:58] <jasoncohen> i would have lost show info for 60 shows and several hundred old shows
[10:58] <Myrtti> nickrud: what should I look for in that first one
[10:58] <lesshaste> has anyone ever got spamassassin -r < spam to work? If so.. help! :)
[10:58] <Madpilot> HappyFool: no, that's when you do a total re-install of the whole d*mned OS. I like your method, though!
[10:58] <count0nz> i borked mine but it was the .ICEauthority somehow got owned by root :)
[10:58] <nickrud> Myrtti, something that says, 'hey, this part doesn't work'
[10:59] <nickrud> Myrtti, :)
[10:59] <Myrtti> May 21 11:42:34 localhost gconfd (myrtti-7879): None of the resolved addresses are writable; saving configuration settings will not be possible
[10:59] <MrSanta> How to whister in x-chat?
[11:00] <nickrud> oh, that's something else entirely.
[11:00] <Amaranth> whisper? you mean private message?
[11:00] <MrSanta> yes
[11:00] <Amaranth> right click on a nick and choose open dialog window
[11:00] <count0nz> and /msg works too ::)
[11:00] <MrSanta> then i mean this whisper thing
[11:00] <Myrtti> or /query
[11:00] <Amaranth> my leet menu editor foo works
[11:00] <MrSanta> ah /msg thx
[11:01] <Amaranth> drag and drop entry moving
[11:01] <count0nz> MrSanta, np
[11:03] <IIIEars> Amaranth - Can i peek at it?
[11:03] <Amaranth> IIIEars: not yet, it breaks things :)
[11:03] <IIIEars> Really new to this just curious
[11:04] <nickrud> just another tease ;)
[11:04] <Amaranth> nickrud: that's what i'm good at :D
[11:04] <IIIEars> lol - i enjoy pain - "hurt me baby..." -lol
[11:04] <count0nz> ") no pine
[11:04] <Amaranth> i seriously think i can release 0.6 tomorrow
[11:05] <count0nz> pgp4pine but no pine :(
[11:05] <Amaranth> pine has license issues, iirc
[11:05] <IIIEars> (hm - a nap might be needed.)
[11:05] <Amaranth> and security issues
[11:05] <count0nz> Ohhhhhhh :)
[11:05] <nickrud> Amaranth, which one is yours, I've been cutting and pasting in /usr/share/applications for now
[11:05] <count0nz> pl Pine Evil :)
[11:05] <count0nz> ohhh even
[11:05] <count0nz> :)
[11:05] <Amaranth> nickrud: smeg
[11:06] <nickrud> hah, I've pointed people at that one :)
[11:06] <nickrud> nice work
[11:06] <Amaranth> yeah, it's completely different in 0.6, again
[11:06] <Amaranth> thanks
[11:07] <HappyFool> Amaranth: are you going to change the app's name? ;)
[11:07] <nickrud> ma
[11:08] <Amaranth> HappyFool: Nope.
[11:08] <nickrud> evil hat wearing time
[11:08] <count0nz> nickrud, who's evil hat you got on today ?
[11:08] <nickrud> count0nz, I can proudly claim it as my own
[11:09] <count0nz> nickrud, :) kewl ;)
[11:09] <Amaranth> HappyFool: The name is part of the fun. :)
[11:09] <Myrtti> nickrud: where do you live?
[11:09] <HappyFool> heh
[11:09] <nickrud> my nick is from all my buddies calling me nick Rude
[11:09] <Myrtti> Irvine?
[11:09] <nickrud> Myrtti, Fillmore
[11:10] <Myrtti> nickrud: If my sister lived in the States and in California, I'd ask her to send you a 10$ check.
[11:10] <Myrtti> thank you
[11:10] <Myrtti> It worked
[11:10] <nickrud> lol, but don't plug something else in first, because the /dev/ address will change
[11:11] <Myrtti> well, I don't have anything else to plug :->
[11:11] <Amaranth> that reminds me, i got $10 from a smeg user the other day
[11:11] <Amaranth> that was awesome
[11:11] <Myrtti> and my sister moved out of california 5 yrs ago
[11:11] <Myrtti> too bad
[11:11] <nickrud> Myrtti, buy a round for me, and that will do
[11:11] <Myrtti> I don't get my annual "macaroni and cheese" and "beef jerky" shipments anymore
[11:12] <Myrtti> nickrud: if you ever come to Finland ;-)
[11:12] <nickrud> Myrtti, don't wait for me, drink up :)
[11:13] <linukso> Hi! Does anyone else here have a problem with X hanging when speedstep changes frequency?
[11:13] <Myrtti> works like a charm
[11:14] <Myrtti> I'm so happy I could start crying
[11:14] <Myrtti> thanks again nickrud
[11:14] <nickrud> Myrtti, np
[11:14] <IIIEars> Simple Menu Editor for Gnome?
[11:14] <Myrtti> /me shows count0nz the white hankerchiefs she sew yesterday
[11:15] <Myrtti> thanks, I've got me own
[11:15] <IIIEars> lol
[11:15] <count0nz> LOL kewl
[11:16] <BurgerMann> jasoncohen, heh indeed i automounts perfectly
[11:16] <norm_> did anyone try getting tv-out on laptops to work with ubuntu? i'm considering installing ubuntu on my dell inspiron 4150 with radeon 7500 graphics, but i've heard that tv-out can be a pain to get going
[11:16] <count0nz> anyone here know ipv6 ?
[11:16] <bob2> norm_: depends on the video card
[11:17] <bob2> norm_: does gatos.sf.net say anything about yours?
[11:17] <norm_> bob2, i'll have a look, hang on
[11:18] <jasoncohen> i need some help with mysql
[11:18] <jasoncohen>  i'm attempting to restore my db from a backup and i'm getting this error
[11:18] <jasoncohen> ERROR 1064 at line 21: You have an error in your SQL syntax.  Check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'DEFAULT CHARSET=latin1' at line
[11:18] <jasoncohen>  i used the command " mysql -u mythtv -pmythtv mythconverg < mythtvbackup.sql"
[11:18] <bigfoot> how do i edit the stuff in the panel's menu (the one with the Foot icon)?
[11:18] <gzllinux> totem rm
[11:19] <gzllinux>
[11:19] <bob2> jasoncohen: do you have the exact same version of mysql on both sides of the dump
[11:19] <bob2> ?
[11:19] <nickrud> bigfoot, a program called smeg, someone here can tell you where to get it
[11:19] <bigfoot> nickrud, i just need to change the command line of one application.
[11:20] <jasoncohen> bob2, probably not
[11:20] <count0nz> anyone wana help with with ipv6 Tunnleing ?
[11:20] <jasoncohen> i had 4.1.11 on the original
[11:20] <nickrud> bigfoot, look for the app in /usr/share/applications, you can alter the command line in a file there
[11:20] <liable> gzllinux: english maybe?
[11:21] <hgfhgf> .
[11:21] <gzllinux> 555
[11:21] <jasoncohen> bob2, it has to be exactly the same? 4.0.23 won't work with 4.1.11?
[11:22] <bob2> jasoncohen: going up probably does
[11:22] <bob2> going down probably won't
[11:22] <bob2> I don't know how serioulsy the mysql people take compatibility
[11:22] <Amaranth> 4.0 dumping for 4.1 would hopefully be ok
[11:22] <jasoncohen> well, i'll update to 4.1.11 anyways and see how it works
[11:22] <Amaranth> 4.1 dumping for 4.0 would probably die, but i'd hope it'd be ok
[11:22] <jasoncohen> i'm doing 4.1 to 4.0
[11:22] <jasoncohen> i think
[11:22] <IIIEars> nickrud - no files released for smeg on the U.K. dev. site - gotta have the wrong URL....
[11:22] <Myrtti> I wonder what I was doing before this emotional experience sidetracked me
[11:23] <bob2> just deleting the DEFAULT CHARSET line might help
[11:23] <bob2> but make sure you keep a copy of the dump
[11:23] <Amaranth> nickrud, IIIEars: err, what about smeg?
[11:23] <IIIEars> Was "sandy" an early debian release?
[11:23] <nickrud> IIIEars, http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/
[11:23] <jasoncohen> bob2, hah, you were right
[11:24] <jasoncohen> i guess they don't take backward compatibility seriously
[11:24] <bigfoot> in the Gnome Menu, I just need to change the location to which a shortcut/launcher points. Specifically, I'm talking about the firefox link in the "internet" category.
[11:24] <IIIEars> Curiousity just kills me. - gotta have a look at it. - wide grin.
[11:24] <jasoncohen> now i know why stable releases don't change their mysql version
[11:24] <Amaranth> Yeah, I'll be uploading smeg 0.6 tomorrow, hopefully. So if you install now you have to do it all over again later. :)
[11:24] <bigfoot> I was able to change it before with help from this chatroom, but i forgot how to do it.
[11:24] <jasoncohen> if works fine now that both are on 4.1.11
[11:24] <IIIEars> Thank You.
[11:24] <jasoncohen> but i won't get security updates for 4.1.11, oh well. it's behind a firewall
[11:25] <jasoncohen> thanks again bob2
[11:25] <norm_> bob2, the supported cards-list doesn't have exactly my card, but it does mention several mobility-products - i'll have a go at ubuntu in the next couple of days and see how it works :)
[11:25] <nickrud> hah. 2:30am. night all
[11:28] <_jesse> Can someone tell me the proper way to go about installing KDE after installing Ubuntu?
[11:28] <Myrtti> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:29] <_jesse> kewlness...  I'm doing this in hopes of getting around instability caused by Kubuntu.
[11:29] <edwin> how to install rpm file?
[11:30] <count0nz> Edgan, alien
[11:30] <Myrtti> alien -i thefileyouwanttoinstall.rpm
[11:30] <chocoIate> i am still unable to configure my  usb modem ; does anybody know of any online guide --i have looked at many but nothing is specific to isdn modems ; i want something that can work along with this, since i was able to complete those steps in full, i just dont know how to get the dialer started :S --->> http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/index.php/id;921278514;fp;512;fpid;1626109420
[11:31] <bob2> chocoIate: as I said before, sudo pppconfig
[11:31] <jasoncohen> i compiled and installed ivtv but when i do modprobe ivtv it says module ivtv not found
[11:31] <bob2> chocoIate: also, it's important that you mention it's an isdn modem everytime you ask a question
[11:31] <jasoncohen> why would that happen?
[11:31] <bob2> jasoncohen: did you run depmod?
[11:32] <jasoncohen> yes
[11:32] <chocoIate> With all the USB modem drivers loaded, you are now ready to connect to the Internet. Insert (or replace) the device location of your USB modem - /dev/usb/ttyACM0 (Red Hat 7.2 uses /dev/input/ttyACM0) - into your Internet connection program or script
[11:32] <chocoIate> they mention that
[11:32] <chocoIate> well, i have done a pppconfig
[11:33] <chocoIate> and tried /dev/usb/ttyACM0
[11:33] <jasoncohen> it looked like it installed to /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386. is that correct?
[11:33] <bob2> yes
[11:33] <chocoIate> then pon
[11:33] <chocoIate> nothing happens :S
[11:33] <bob2> indeed
[11:33] <bob2> then you read the logs
[11:33] <bob2>  /var/log/syslog
[11:33] <chocoIate> what logs
[11:33] <HappyFool> jasoncohen: the .ko file should go into /lib/modules/<version>/ somewhere
[11:34] <chocoIate> oh bob2
[11:34] <chocoIate> didnt see you reply sorry
[11:34] <chocoIate> well, i have already done pppconfig
[11:34] <bob2> jasoncohen: er, the headers should have installed to /usr/src/linux..., the module should be in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)
[11:34] <chocoIate> the dialer is never started :S
[11:34] <bob2> chocoIate: yes, I know
[11:34] <bob2> now read your logs
[11:34] <jasoncohen> ok, i'm checking to see if everything is in the correct directory
[11:35] <chocoIate> oh
[11:35] <jasoncohen> does the ubuntu kernel have support for ivtv by default?
[11:35] <chocoIate> ok brb
[11:35] <bob2> there's no module called "ivtv" included in the default kernel in hoary
[11:36] <jasoncohen> does that mean i have to do more than compile and install it?
[11:36] <bob2> I don't know if you compiled and installed it
[11:36] <bob2> if modprobe didn't find it, I suspect you at least haven't installed it
[11:37] <jasoncohen> the instructions are simple - it says to cd to drivers, make and then make install
[11:37] <jasoncohen> ivtv.tv/releases
[11:37] <HappyFool> 'find /lib/modules -iname ivtv.ko' will tell you whether it's installed
[11:37] <HappyFool> you can always just copy the file to somewhere like /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/misc manually
[11:38] <jason_> /lib/modules/2.6.10/ivtv/ivtv.ko
[11:38] <jason_> /usr/include/linux/ivtv.h
[11:38] <HappyFool> what does 'uname -r' say?
[11:38] <HappyFool> cos my module directory is /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/
[11:38] <jason_> 2.6.10-5-386
[11:39] <HappyFool> there's something screwy with your kernel config still
[11:39] <jason_> ohh
[11:39] <jason_> i didn't change the makefile
[11:39] <jason_> damn't
[11:39] <Bramme> what's a good direct connect client in ubuntu ? i've already tried dcgui-qt but i don't like it :s
[11:39] <djp> can anybody advise me how the junk filter works in evolution? is it using bogofilter which i notice is installed by default under hoary?
[11:40] <jason_> that explains why ati_remote didn't work either
[11:41] <Ali_Baba> Bramme: have you tried valknut?
[11:41] <Bramme> how's the package called ?
[11:42] <xiaogil> how to connect 2 computers directly (not through the internet) with wifi instead of ethernet, to make files transfers via SSH ?
[11:42] <Ali_Baba> Bramme: dont know,i got the source from internet,its working fine.
[11:42] <Bramme> ok
[11:43] <DunkMaster> yo all
[11:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> is wine in universe?
[11:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi drunkm
[11:44] <DunkMaster> Kamping, yes it is
[11:44] <bob2> yes
[11:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah ok
[11:44] <DunkMaster> hi
[11:44] <wdh> xiaogil, just make sure the wifi is up and running.. and use sftp then
[11:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> ta
[11:44] <djp> can anybody advise me how the junk filter works in evolution? is it using bogofilter which i notice is installed by default under hoary?
[11:44] <bob2> it should be
[11:44] <kestas> for a one time file copy I would use netcat through ssh port forwarding
[11:45] <xiaogil> wdh: i use gftp instead, it works through the internet, but not when i don't have an internet connection
[11:45] <kestas> xiaogil: gftp is an ftp client sftp is a secure ftp protocol
[11:45] <DunkMaster> i hope ill not mess up the root today
[11:45] <DunkMaster> like i did yesterday
[11:46] <DunkMaster> had to reinstall
[11:46] <DunkMaster> grrr
[11:46] <HappyFool> how about scp ?
[11:46] <kestas> not as fast as netcat
[11:46] <kestas> cp does it char by char
[11:46] <HappyFool> huh. ok, didn't know that
[11:47] <kestas> yeah you wouldnt think so but cp is pretty slow
[11:47] <jason_> this doesn't seem to be working
[11:47] <edawg> hi all
[11:47] <jason_> ivtv is still not installed
[11:47] <xiaogil> hestas, wdh: the problem is that i don't know how to create a network name with the wifi, so that other can log on it, when using iwconfig, i can't create an ip to log on via ssh on other computers
[11:48] <kestas> xiaogil: well then thats a wifi problem, and I cant help because Ive never used wifi
[11:48] <IIIEars> Is installing gtk2.0-examples something to be avoided?
[11:48] <bob2> no
[11:48] <IIIEars> lib trouble or anything?
[11:49] <IIIEars> Cool
[11:50] <wdh> xiaogil, me neither, i recommend you try searching the wiki for it.. that would be my first step i guess :)
[11:51] <DunkMaster> little question: are the instructions to add windows partition to /mnt/ and to mount them at startup is in wiki?
[11:51] <wdh> DunkMaster, what am i? i remote search function?
[11:51] <liable> xiaogil: set the mode to ad-hoc, read man iwconfig
[11:52] <DunkMaster> i just asked
[11:52] <DunkMaster> i'd look there myslef
[11:52] <xiaogil> liable: i tried the ad-hoc mode, but unsuccessfully
[11:52] <wdh> DunkMaster, /dev/hda2       /windows        vfat    defaults        0       0 << add that to /etc/fstab
[11:53] <wdh> DunkMaster, ymmv though, so change it accordingly
[11:53] <DunkMaster> ty
[11:53] <jason_> it's not installed correctly but the build line looks right
[11:53] <jason_>    CONFIG_VIDEO_IVTV=m -C /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build M=/home/jason/ivtv-0.2.0-rc3j/driver modules_install
[11:53] <liable> xiaogil: the other box a debian one?
[11:55] <HappyFool> jason_: what's the error?
[11:55] <Goonie> can anyone tell me what to add to fstab to automatically mount my windows partition so that I don't have to be root to access the files ?
[11:55] <xiaogil> liable: ubuntu
[11:56] <bob2> Goonie: change defaults to umask=002
[11:56] <jason_> HappyFool, just that ivtv can't be found
[11:56] <jason_> it's not installed in the correct directory
[11:56] <HappyFool> jason_: so copy it yourself ;)
[11:56] <jason_> in fact the directory it's installed in on mdk doesn't exist in ubuntu
[11:56] <Bramme> in valknut/dclib/dcgui-qt/whatever i can set my options, but when i quit the prog and restart it the options are gone !!
[11:56] <jason_>  it's in /lib/modules/2.6.11../extra
[11:56] <HappyFool> e.g., put it in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/ivtv/
[11:57] <HappyFool> how did you end up with a 2.6.11 kernel ?
[11:57] <jason_> i mean on mdk
[11:57] <HappyFool> oh
[11:57] <jason_> but there is no extra on ubuntu
[11:57] <HappyFool> jason_: so 'sudo mkdir <whatever>/extra'
[11:57] <liable> xiaogil: so you set the ip's for both boxes, set them in ad-hoc, and cant ping?
[11:57] <HappyFool> or 'sudo mkdir <whatever>/ivtv' or whatever you want
[11:58] <HappyFool> and then 'sudo cp ivtv.ko <directory you created>', then 'depmod -a' and then try again
[12:00] <Goonie> bob2~ sry for being such a noob but could you give me the line to add asssuming my windows is on hda1 and is ntfs? I don't need write access so ntfs shouldn't be a problem
[12:00] <bob2> Goonie: you don't have the line in there already?
[12:01] <jason_> huh
[12:01] <jason_> it just had to be in /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/ivtv
[12:01] <Goonie> bob2~ no.. I have only mounted it be sudo mount -t ntfs. ..... but I wan't it to mount on boot and be accessible by my user
[12:02] <bob2> Goonie: /dev/hda1 /mnt/ ntfs umask=002 0 0
[12:02] <xiaogil> liable: what i tried actually, is the command "iwconfig eth1 essid gilles mode managed enc key off", i didn't try ad hoc (i'll do it now...), and then i ran another computer on windows to check for networks around (as i did't know how to check that on linux, but now i know iwlist). So with this command, there is not choice of ip address, how to know the ip then ?
[12:02] <zayd[a] na> anybody here know what i should use for a dyndns client?
[12:02] <bob2> ddt-client
[12:02] <Goonie> bob2~ thx
[12:03] <jason_> goodnight everyone
[12:03] <jason_> i'm too tired to continue. it's 6 am here
[12:03] <jason_> thanks for the help HappyFool and bob2
[12:03] <bob2> good luck
[12:03] <HappyFool> heh
[12:03] <jason_> thanks
[12:03] <HappyFool> have fun ;)
[12:05] <REBELinBLUE> hey
[12:05] <felicitas> auf welcher taste ist das umgedrehte fragezeichen auf der tastatur?
[12:05] <REBELinBLUE> anyone know where I can get gapi-2.0
[12:06] <edwin> how do i search for other packages using synaptic?
[12:06] <HappyFool> felicitas: try #ubuntu-de
[12:06] <__nate> click search
[12:06] <holycow> anyone use nx server over an internet connection in production by chance?
[12:06] <__nate> type in what you're looking for
[12:06] <edwin> but i think it only display the packages in my computer
[12:06] <REBELinBLUE> enable the online repositories
[12:06] <__nate> i seriously doubt it
[12:06] <REBELinBLUE> not just the CD
[12:06] <edwin> how?
[12:07] <incorrect> is there ubuntu debootstrap?
[12:07] <bob2> incorrect: use the regular debootstrap
[12:07] <REBELinBLUE> settings > repositories
[12:07] <bob2> tho cdebootstrap seems remarkably unhappy with trying to make an ubuntu system
[12:08] <incorrect> bob2, i don't seem to have an ubuntu option
[12:08] <edwin> just tick all the options?
[12:09] <bob2> incorrect: option? you specify a path to an ubuntu mirror and the correct ubuntu swuite
[12:10] <incorrect> yeah so something like debootstrap woody /dev/usb ftp.xxxx whatever
[12:11] <incorrect> however i don't have a warty option or something
[12:11] <bob2> option?
[12:11] <bob2> you tell it what you want to do
[12:12] <incorrect> well if i look at the files it installed i've got scripts/woody sid sarge etc
[12:12] <HappyFool> edwin: for starters you might just want main and restricted
[12:12] <incorrect> don't i need a build script for ubuntu
[12:13] <bob2> sudo debootstrap hoary ./hoary/ http://<IP_ADDRESS>/ubuntu/, works for me
[12:13] <incorrect> ok ill see what happens
[12:13] <edwin> is there a list of server to download packages from?
[12:13] <incorrect> is hoary stable?
[12:13] <bob2> wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive
[12:13] <bob2> incorrect: yes
[12:13] <incorrect> sorry i don't keep up
[12:14] <incorrect> i can't get them to use debian on the desktop, but i can get ubuntu ;)
[12:14] <incorrect> last time i checked it was warty
[12:15] <HappyFool> new stable release every april and october is the plan, i believe
[12:15] <Tomcat_> November.
[12:15] <Tomcat_> Mh... or is it October? :o
[12:16] <bob2> october
[12:16] <incorrect> like i thought it says no script hoary
[12:16] <bob2> 5.10 = 2005/october
[12:16] <Tomcat_> Mh, right.
[12:17] <Tomcat_> I had the impression Warty came out in November. :)
[12:17] <Tomcat_> But that's more because I installed it in November when I got my new laptop.
[12:17] <Tomcat_> Always forgetting that.
[12:20] <sikor_sxe> i want to compile a kernel module for hoary
[12:20] <sikor_sxe> what do i have to install?
[12:20] <sikor_sxe> i installed the linux-source pkg
[12:20] <drcode> any one use openvpn?
[12:20] <incorrect> drcode, i do
[12:20] <drcode> incorrect, I can connect more then 1 connection to my home vpn?
[12:20] <HappyFool> sikor_sxe: linux-headers-386 , possibly replacing -386 with -686 or whatever
[12:21] <drcode> I have 1 conenct but I Want to connect more
[12:21] <incorrect> drcode, yes
[12:21] <HappyFool> sikor_sxe: you should hopefully not require the linux-source package
[12:21] <sikor_sxe> ok i'll try
[12:21] <HappyFool> sikor_sxe: what module are you trying to compile?
[12:21] <bob2> drcode: tinc is a rather nice alternative
[12:22] <drcode> incorrect, so it give me for some reseon only one
[12:22] <drcode> connection
[12:22] <incorrect> read the howto
[12:23] <sikor_sxe> HappyFool: the module's makefile says: "lib/modules/2.6.10/build not found"
[12:23] <HappyFool> sikor_sxe: it should be looking for /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build
[12:24] <bob2> sikor_sxe: you're using a kernel you compiled yourself?
[12:24] <danwie> I use a small scrip to get my ndiswrapper-wlan working, which i run manually:
[12:24] <danwie> >modprobe ndiswrapper
[12:24] <danwie> >iwconfig wlan0 mode managed
[12:24] <danwie> >iwconfig wlan0 channel XX
[12:24] <danwie> >iwconfig wlan0 nick MYNICK
[12:24] <danwie> >iwconfig wlan0 essid 'MYESSID'
[12:24] <danwie> >iwconfig wlan0 key MYKEY
[12:24] <danwie> >iwconfig wlan0 ap XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX
[12:24] <danwie> >iwconfig wlan0 key open
[12:24] <danwie> >dhclient wlan0
[12:24] <danwie> how can I automate this?
[12:24] <HappyFool> rudeness
[12:24] <sikor_sxe> bob2: nope
[12:24] <bob2> danwie: please don't paste long lists of stuff in here
[12:24] <bob2> danwie: and put all those commands in a script, one per line
[12:25] <danwie> bob2: sorry
[12:25] <danwie> bob: I'm new here
[12:25] <bob2> it's considered rude in every irc channel I've been in, *shrug*
[12:26] <HappyFool> sikor_sxe: what module are you trying to compile?
[12:28] <Bramme> i have libxvidcore4 installed but can't play xvid's
[12:28] <sikor_sxe> HappyFool: a wlan module
[12:29] <sikor_sxe> the zd1211 driver
[12:30] <HappyFool> sikor_sxe: ok. i think you'll need to hack the makefile to have the include path be /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build instead of the hardcoded value it is
[12:30] <sikor_sxe> well i did a symbolic link
[12:30] <Bramme> hm, first problem resolved, but now... what do i need to handle ac3 sound ?
[12:31] <HappyFool> sikor_sxe: ok. that worked?
[12:33] <sikor_sxe> HappyFool: yeah it compiled
[12:33] <HappyFool> ok. easier than fiddling with the makefile i guess ;)
[12:35] <sikor_sxe> well make install fails now
[12:35] <HappyFool> error ?
[12:35] <sikor_sxe> have to hack the makefile anyway i guess
[12:36] <sikor_sxe> ok, install worked now aswell
[12:37] <omV0> anybody uses Kate? I am wondering if it has support for Macros
[12:42] <Raskall> what is the smartest way to back up a my sql server? mysqldump and backup of the file or a file backup of /var/lib/mysql?
[12:42] <omV0> lol Gates of Hell
[12:42] <DunkMaster> how can i write to root dir?
[12:43] <Goonie> I have an annoying problem I'm not sure can be fixed but here goes... I mount my windows partition on boot and when I browse to the My Documents folder many of the files there don't appear. Their filenames have Icelandic characters but some other files with Icelandic chars are visible with a symbol instead of the char itself... My question is this: Can I make my linux system recocnize these files or do I have to rename everything and skip the Icelandic
[12:43] <Goonie>  chars?
[12:43] <HappyFool> DunkMaster: use sudo
[12:43] <HappyFool> DunkMaster: what do you want to put there?
[12:43] <DunkMaster> i mean to copy files from /home dir to root/.wine
[12:43] <DunkMaster> /root/.wine
[12:44] <HappyFool> DunkMaster: well, you should be able to use sudo
[12:44] <DunkMaster> okay
[12:44] <DunkMaster> thanx
[12:45] <malte> i'm running breezy, how can i downgrade to hoary?
[12:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> change your sources list and replace "breezy" with "hoary"
[12:48] <malte> Kamping_Kaiser: then what? the thing is, i have several breezy packages that i need to downgrade
[12:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> only single packages? apt-get -f warty install filename
[12:48] <DunkMaster> what is an .XPM file?
[12:48] <keffo> "icon"
[12:48] <DunkMaster> okay
[12:49] <m0rphx> hey, in which package are dmesg and getty?
[12:50] <HappyFool> util-linux
[12:50] <HappyFool> you can find out by doing dpkg -S $(which dmesg) , or something similar
[12:51] <m0rphx> HappyFool: not in my util-linux. yeah, I searched for them like that
[12:51] <m0rphx> they're somehow missing
[12:51] <HappyFool> eek
[12:51] <jinxi> what is the gnome webbrowser called?
[12:52] <HappyFool> firefox is the ubuntu standard; i think there's also galeon
[12:52] <HappyFool> or is it epiphany?
[12:52] <keffo> ff
[12:53] <malte> has anyone any experience with downgrading all packages from breezy to hoary? i'm guessing it's potentially dangerous, is it not?
[12:53] <abedakid> hai fab
[12:53] <Burgundavia> malte, never heard it done succesfully, but I am sure someone has
[12:54] <malte> Burgundavia :\
[12:54] <abedakid> hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
[12:54] <malte> perhaps i should do a clean install
[12:54] <Burgundavia> malte, yes
[12:54] <abedakid> hai
[12:55] <count0nz> ahhhh  i kinda did it but it did't work
[12:55] <liable> malte: yes re-install, it will be *much* easier
[12:56] <wdh> malte, it is possible.. keyword: apt-pinning.
[12:56] <wdh> malte, a clean install is much faster/easier though
[12:56] <wdh> malte, and surely more fool-proof :)
[12:57] <liable> wdh: no, going down, isnt really possible, unless you seriously know what your doing
[12:57] <abedakid> HIII
[12:57] <malte> wdh: yes, i was contemplating apt-pinning. but it would downgrade 588 packages, which sounded pretty dangerous :)
[12:58] <wdh> liable, as is said.. it _is_ possible.. didnt say it was easy :)
[12:58] <liable> malte: you could try it, the other choice is to re-install anyway, could be fun :)
[12:58] <malte> :)
[12:58] <wdh> s/is/I
[12:58] <liable> wdh: :)
[12:58] <abedakid> HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
[12:58] <liable> abedakid: yes hi
[12:58] <liable> we saw you the first time
[12:59] <abedakid> hai  liable?
[01:00] <abedakid> hi dutchy
[01:02] <TJORVEN> how do i mount my ntfs drives???
[01:03] <jinxi> is there desktop search tool for linux, a tool like MS has launched a few days ago
[01:03] <malte> i'm not sure, but beagle might be what you're looking for
[01:03] <HappyFool> mount -t ntfs -o umask=002 /dev/<ntfspartition> /path/to/mount/point
[01:07] <TJORVEN> HappyFool, thanks
[01:07] <linukso> jinxi: osX has had that for a while, and novell is working on it. google for beagle...
[01:08] <krystoff> hi there i've a little problem with my toshiba laptop...when i wanna halt it i've the right sequence but i have to manually shutdown it any idea please ?
[01:09] <nicklax> morning every1
[01:09] <nicklax> :)
[01:10] <Seveas> ding-dong
[01:10] <Seveas> good morhing all!
[01:11] <TJORVEN> good mornng
[01:11] <BurgerMann> TJORVEN, can u access that ntfs drive without being root?
[01:12] <Seveas> BurgerMann, when you set your fmask/dmask or umask correctly, you can :)
[01:12] <TJORVEN> BurgerMann, no
[01:13] <HappyFool> actually, my umask is 000, but since it's ro anyway, i don't think it makes any difference
[01:13] <TJORVEN> BurgerMann, its just a kross over it
[01:13] <HappyFool> hrm
[01:13] <Seveas> TJORVEN, but can you read it as non-root?
[01:13] <BurgerMann> TJORVEN, try using an option -o uid=TJORVEN
[01:13] <BurgerMann> when you mount it
[01:13] <TJORVEN> ok
[01:14] <Seveas> Here are examples for ntfs and fat to see how it can work:
[01:14] <Seveas>  /dev/hda7       /data           vfat    rw,uid=dennis,gid=dennis,fmask=0133,dmask=0022 0 0
[01:14] <Seveas>  /dev/hda1       /mnt/windows    ntfs    ro,uid=dennis,gid=dennis,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 0 0
[01:14] <HappyFool> my fstab line is '/dev/hda1       /media/windows  ntfs    ro,umask=000    0       0' and I can read the partition as a user without problems
[01:14] <jinxi> liable, I am trying to install it
[01:14] <morphix> hi all, i have a big problem :/ When i install ubuntu, and when there's time to load GUI... in the second stage that is...the PC just hangs
[01:14] <jinxi> how do I modify , add things to the right click menu?
[01:14] <BurgerMann> HappyFool, hmmn :S
[01:14] <morphix> do you have any idea what could be wrong?
[01:15] <TJORVEN> what mount point must i use
[01:15] <TJORVEN> ?
[01:15] <HappyFool> whatever you want
[01:15] <TJORVEN> doesn't worlk
[01:15] <HappyFool> /mnt/windows is probably pretty standard
[01:16] <TJORVEN> ok
[01:16] <Seveas> HappyFool, i never said it is the only correct way ;)
[01:16] <HappyFool> Seveas: fair enough
[01:16] <TJORVEN> it just says that the mountpoint does not exist..
[01:17] <liable> jinxi: what?
[01:17] <Seveas> TJORVEN: sudo mkdir -p /mnt/windows
[01:17] <Seveas> and retry :)
[01:17] <TJORVEN> Seveas, thanks
[01:18] <nicklax> anyone knows how can i play movies?
[01:19] <nicklax> :D
[01:19] <Seveas> nicklax, probably you need to take a look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[01:19] <Burgundavia> nicklax, wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[01:19] <Demontears> mplayer
[01:19] <Burgundavia> Seveas, gah, beat me
[01:19] <HappyFool> nicklax: see ubuntuguide.org or www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:19] <nicklax> thanks guys :D
[01:19] <morphix> help :/
[01:19] <jamiecramb> im trying to mount my external firewire hard drive, can anyone help me?
[01:19] <nicklax> 3 replys, it seems like this is a great community :P
[01:20] <HappyFool> i have sucessfully watched both really good movies and really terrible airwolf episodes using ubuntu
[01:20] <van_> why my PC just hangs when it is time to load GUI in ubuntu? please help
[01:20] <TJORVEN> now it says dev/hda1 doesn't exists
[01:20] <HappyFool> try /dev/hda1
[01:20] <Seveas> TJORVEN, try your actual ntfs partition...
[01:21] <Seveas> van_, no idea, don't you have more information?
[01:21] <van_> like what?
[01:21] <jamiecramb> how do i find out the anem of my external hd's disk / partition?
[01:21] <TJORVEN> Seveas, its like  20 of them how do i know wich one i should mount?
[01:21] <jamiecramb> name*
[01:21] <tga> jamiecramb: dmesg after you plug it in
[01:21] <Seveas> indeed
[01:21] <TJORVEN> and none of the one i have tryed have worked
[01:21] <jamiecramb> tga: ta
[01:21] <tga> jamiecramb: if everything's okay it will be /dev/sda1 or something
[01:21] <HappyFool> TJORVEN: try 'sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda'
[01:21] <Seveas> jamiecramb, and look for a line with scsi in it
[01:22] <liable> TJORVEN: fdisk -l, pick the ntfs one
[01:22] <Seveas> TJORVEN, try fdisk -l /dev/hda, it will show you which one is the ntfs partition
[01:22] <TJORVEN> thanks
[01:22] <van_> first, i thought it was my video card, but after i changed it, same thing happens..
[01:22] <nicklax> what is the command to list all my hd's ? i mean like /dev/hda and all
[01:22] <TJORVEN> dont like the sound of fdisk though
[01:22] <nicklax> to see the partition table
[01:22] <HappyFool> you can look in /proc/ide for a list
[01:22] <Seveas> van_, can you paste /var/log/xorg.*.log on ubuntu.pastebin.com please
[01:22] <HappyFool> fdisk -l just lists the partitions
[01:23] <Ali_Baba> nicklax mount or df also
[01:23] <tga> nicklax: you can play with cfdisk, it will show you the partitions and file systems
[01:23] <van_> Seveas i can't even load ubuntu :/
[01:23] <tga> nicklax: just don't write the partition table to disk
[01:23] <Seveas> van_, try recovery mode
[01:23] <nicklax> tga, i wont :)
[01:23] <nicklax> thanks all
[01:23] <van_> ok thanx
[01:23] <Seveas> van_, you are not using breezy are you..?
[01:23] <TJORVEN> it says hda2 is the one but still i cant mount it
[01:24] <van_> no
[01:24] <nicklax> hehe i see you guys are talking a lot about breezy, can anyone tell me what is it but simple? :D
[01:24] <Seveas> TJORVEN, what is the error?
[01:24] <Seveas> nicklax, it will be the next version of ubuntu
[01:24] <TJORVEN> the special unit doesnt exist
[01:24] <nicklax> Seveas, thanks
[01:24] <Seveas> and it is VERY unstable right now, so it should not be used
[01:24] <jamiecramb> seveas: mind if i put this in a paste bin and see if u can point out where it is?
[01:24] <nicklax> ok ill wait for the final release
[01:25] <Seveas> TJORVEN, did you try mount /dev/hda2 /mnt/windows -t ntfs (and all the options)
[01:25] <Ali_Baba> hope that gcc transition will be over :)
[01:25] <Seveas> jamiecramb, sure
[01:25] <Seveas> i'll have a look
[01:25] <Ali_Baba> maybe i can update then again
[01:25] <Seveas> Ali_Baba, not yet
[01:25] <Seveas> and there are more transitions going on
[01:26] <TJORVEN> says the same
[01:26] <jamiecramb> seveas: http://phpfi.com/62746
[01:26] <Ali_Baba> ok.have to wait then i guess.
[01:27] <jamiecramb> its a 300 gig drive btw with 1 partition on it
[01:27] <DunkMaster> muhahahahaha
[01:27] <DunkMaster> got wine to work
[01:27] <Seveas> jamiecramb, is it a usb or firewire drive?
[01:27] <jamiecramb> its both but its connected via firewire atm
[01:28] <nicklax> hey, i know that i can uncompress .tar.gz with tar xvfz but..how can i decompress a tar.bz2?
[01:28] <Seveas> ah ok, i have no experience with firewire :|
[01:28] <Seveas> but i do not see it being connected
[01:28] <jamiecramb> np
[01:28] <Seveas> jamiecramb, is it ntfs?
[01:28] <jamiecramb> yah
[01:28] <Seveas> ah ok, so i see something
[01:28] <HappyFool> tar xvfj
[01:28] <Seveas> afaik, ntfs isn't automounted
[01:29] <nicklax> HappyFool, thanks
[01:29] <Seveas> jamiecramb, try mount -t ntfs /dev/sda /mnt/something
[01:29] <jamiecramb> ok
[01:31] <jamiecramb> seveas: mount: /dev/sda already mounted or /media/external busy
[01:31] <Seveas> jamiecramb, hmm
[01:31] <Seveas> try just 'mount' and see if ot lists the drive
[01:32] <jamiecramb> seveas: http://phpfi.com/62751
[01:37] <FreezerXX> I hate firefox.
[01:37] <jesse_> Hi.  I was on earlier and asked how to install KDE onto Ubuntu and was told to use apt-get install kde-desktop.   That doesn't seem to work though.  :(
[01:37] <Seveas> jamiecramb, do you have sata disks?
[01:37] <jamiecramb> yes 1 sata disk 3 partitions on it, windows (main one) and 2 linux partiotns where ubuntu is installed
[01:37] <holycow> FreezerX, i know a copmany in redmon that makes a browser you may be interested in
[01:37] <Seveas> jamiecramb, try mount -t /dev/sdb /mnt/something
[01:37] <holycow> -_-
[01:37] <Riddell> jesse_: kubuntu-desktop
[01:37] <Riddell> jesse_: kubuntu.org/faq.php
[01:38] <jamiecramb> ok
[01:38] <Seveas> of that won't work, try it with sdb1
[01:38] <Seveas> sda is your sata disk :)
[01:38] <FreezerXX> holycow, firefox crashes and freezes ubuntu completely
[01:38] <holycow> well to be fair, YOUR install of ubuntu
[01:39] <holycow> tried reinstalling it?
[01:39] <holycow> upgraded to latest patches?
[01:39] <holycow> i bet you have all of the extensions you could find installed right?
[01:39] <FreezerXX> the message center of ubuntu says that my system is uptodate
[01:39] <jamiecramb> seveas: mount: special device /dev/sdb1 does not exist
[01:40] <holycow> FreezerX, excellent, now how many extensions do you have?
[01:40] <jesse_> kubuntu desktop crashes all the time though.  I wanted to try installing KDE without that if possible.  Or is it the only way.
[01:40] <FreezerXX> I didnt install any extensions
[01:40] <holycow> ah okay
[01:41] <holycow> it freezes ubuntu during what process? starting ff?
[01:41] <Seveas> jamiecramb, and with just sdb?
[01:41] <jamiecramb> same
[01:41] <Seveas> hmm, try plugging it in the usb port
[01:41] <jinxi> can I remount all partitions while running Ubuntu?
[01:41] <enrique> hi
[01:41] <FreezerXX> during browsing and scrolling a website
[01:41] <enrique> cna anyone tell me if it's safe to install unverified packages?
[01:42] <enrique> doing a dist-upgrade
[01:42] <Seveas> enrique, depends on the package
[01:42] <HappyFool> jinxi: what do you want to do? 'mount -a' might be what you want
[01:42] <enrique> i get told some packages couldn't be verified
[01:42] <linukso> enrique: do you invite strangers into you house ... :)
[01:42] <Seveas> enrique, if it is from archive.ubuntu.com it is safe
[01:42] <enrique> they're gaim packages and so
[01:42] <jamiecramb> plugged in, what command will i try?
[01:42] <Seveas> if you use backports or marillat, it is not
[01:42] <holycow> FreezerX, interesting, all websites or just a particular one?
[01:42] <enrique> i do use backports
[01:42] <omV0> what is the easiest way to know where an executable is located? i'm trying to find where bmp is installed...
[01:42] <Seveas> jamiecramb, first do dmesg and paste on the pastebin :)
[01:42] <enrique> then i shouldn't?
[01:43] <jamiecramb> hmm
[01:43] <holycow> FreezerX, do you have any plugins installed? java? vlc? mplayer?
[01:43] <HappyFool> omV0: which execname
[01:43] <jamiecramb> wait its auto mounted...
[01:43] <Seveas> enrique, DON'T use backports, they are evil
[01:43] <Seveas> nice jamiecramb :)
[01:43] <FreezerXX> holycow, I think it the moment, when firefox tries to block a popup.