[01:24] <Valkyrie> Heyyyy!!
[01:24] <Valkyrie> Long time no talk, 'eh?
[02:47] <nixternal> wtf!
[02:47] <nixternal> ubottu is spamming the shiz out of me
[02:47] <Pici> me too :(
[02:47] <nixternal> shut up spammer
[02:48] <nixternal> haha
[02:48] <nixternal> ok, it seems to have stoped
[02:48] <nixternal> 20:47:44 [   ubottu] Sorry, I don't know anything about STOP!!!
[02:48] <nixternal> obviously it does, it stopped :D
[02:49] <Pici> http://paste.ubuntu.com/433111/
[02:56] <nixternal> same thing here, different ban though
[03:52] <kkathman> Wanted to apologize for not being around lately.    Good lord.
[03:57] <|_ocke> seriously, can i get unbanned from -offtopic?
[03:57] <|_ocke> i haven't done anything wrong in like more than half a year i think
[03:58] <tonyyarusso> |_ocke: I'm attempting to look up who placed the ban so they can follow up with you :)
[03:58] <tonyyarusso> Attempting being a key word...
[03:59] <tonyyarusso> And we have a winner!  That would be the lovely Flannel - come on down!
[04:00] <tonyyarusso> Date of the ban is 01 January 2010, btw.
[04:02] <tonyyarusso> |_ocke: His screen session is detached, but he's been hilighted now anyway, so will see this when he gets online.
[04:09] <|_ocke> tonyyarusso, thanks man
[04:09] <|_ocke> yeah i've been banned for quite a while now
[04:09] <|_ocke> i don't really even remember why i was banned
[04:10] <|_ocke> probably had something to do with my gf
[04:10] <|_ocke> usually does
[04:19] <Flannel> |_ocke: Howdy
[04:22] <|_ocke> Flannel, hey buddy
[04:22] <|_ocke> Flannel, so is like 4-6 months enough to get unbanned?
[04:24] <|_ocke> this is the longest i've ever been banned from any chan
[04:24] <Flannel> You were removed for posting a totally inappropriate link, and then you came back, and I'm not really sure what prompted it, but you screamed an obscenity.  Those two things got you banned.
[04:24] <|_ocke> heck, usually i'm the one that's doing the banning
[04:24] <|_ocke> well, i apologize
[04:24] <|_ocke> i was probably drunk
[04:24] <|_ocke> and i didn't mean it
[04:24] <|_ocke> not saying that makes it right
[04:25] <|_ocke> but it's not something i would knowingly do
[04:25] <|_ocke> and i probably had no idea what i was doing
[04:25] <|_ocke> which would explain why i don't remember doing it :P
[04:26] <Flannel> |_ocke: While you were banned, you also joined #ubuntu and were banned from there twice.
[04:26] <|_ocke> Flannel, don't remember that either
[04:26] <|_ocke> sorry man
[04:27] <|_ocke> if it helps i'm not allowed to get that drunk anymore or i'll go to jail
[04:31] <tonyyarusso> Did they install a breathalyzer on your IRC client for us?
[04:32] <Flannel> |_ocke: You've been using that as an excuse, and claiming you won't do it again, since 2008.
[04:34] <|_ocke> not really
[04:34] <|_ocke> but anyways
[04:34] <Flannel> |_ocke: yes really:
[04:34] <|_ocke> it's time for ps3
[04:35] <Flannel> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/10/27/%23ubuntu-ops.html
[04:36] <Flannel> 10:24
[04:39] <tonyyarusso> ha, oh evidence...
[04:39] <Flannel> tonyyarusso: That's the first one (read: oldest) that I had in my logs, but that's really not the important part here.
[04:41] <tonyyarusso> nah, I don't have the logs to grep, but I know it's not an isolated occurrence still.
[04:43] <IdleOne> so, umm, it being time for ps3 means he can idle in here?
[04:43] <Flannel> IdleOne: I'm still waiting to determine whether he's idling
[04:44] <IdleOne> 10 minutes since he last said anything
[04:44] <Flannel> but, |_ocke, if you have decided that you don't want to have a discussion right now, please come back when you do.
[04:44] <Flannel> IdleOne: Yeah, but I also took 10 minutes to find that bit in the logs, so...
[04:44] <IdleOne> ok
[04:44] <IdleOne> I was just asking
[04:44] <IdleOne> :)
[04:45] <Flannel> IdleOne: IRC isn't always a hard realtime system, sometimes its soft realtime ;)
[04:46] <IdleOne> You know before I became an op I was one of those people who was for allowing idlers
[04:46] <IdleOne> now I think, wth was I thinking
[04:47] <IdleOne> :P
[05:09] <Flannel> Thanks tsimpson
[05:35] <eagles0513875> hey guys any chance i can get my ban to ubuntu-bugs lifted as i have a rather serious bug that i think should get taken care of asap
[06:32] <ikonia> eagles doesn't have a serious bug
[06:35] <charlie-tca> hm, he can file the bug on launchpad without access to any IRC channels, too
[06:35] <ikonia> he already has filed a bug
[06:36] <charlie-tca> heh
[06:36] <ikonia> I didn't know he was banned in #ubuntu-bugs, he's banned in a lot of ubuntu channels, I suppose this is what happens if you behave like he does
[06:39]  * mneptok prances about, throwing glitter and anthrax spores
[07:56] <maco> uhhhhhh ubottu is telling me to use @comment None .. why no number this time? ubottu broked?
[08:02] <maco> i removed Xcell from #ubuntu for being persistently offtopic after being told to stay on topic
[08:03] <maco> they eventually rejoined and say theyre going to come here and went off on some conspiracy theory "maco is govmt trash" (good job spelling "government" there...) thing (conspiracy theories are what were being spouted before instead of support too) so ya know thatll be fun
[08:27] <elky> maco, yeah, iirc he's a known
[08:33] <eagles0513875> hey guys i would like to talk to someone about a ban on ubuntu-bugs
[08:49] <ikonia> please do
[08:49] <eagles0513875> ikonia: i have no idea why i am banned in there to be honest with you
[08:49] <eagles0513875> reason i am here asking the ban be lifted is so i can push my bug through as it is something that would benefit alot of people
[08:50] <ikonia> the bug is being actioned and looked at
[08:50] <ikonia> I've already spoke to some people about it yesterday
[08:50] <eagles0513875> ok but i still have no idea why i am banned in that channel
[08:51] <ikonia> ubot4: possible due to your blanket ban, I don't know I'll have to look into it
[08:51] <ikonia> oops
[08:51] <ikonia> sorry that was for you eagles0513875
[08:51] <eagles0513875> ikonia: ok when you can im in no hurry
[08:51] <eagles0513875> im in offtopic as usual
[08:51] <ikonia> it may take a little while, but I'll look into it for you
[08:51] <eagles0513875> j/w any chance that my other bans could be lifted?
[08:52] <ikonia> no
[08:52] <ikonia> you still have no reason for those channels, and you still have not learnt what they are for, judging by your comment that you wanted to join #kubuntu-devel to discuss a bug
[08:52] <ikonia> but I will look into #ubuntu-bugs for you as that has very few bans in there and you are named in the list
[08:52] <ikonia> have you ever been in that channel before ?
[08:52] <eagles0513875> ikonia: no
[08:53] <ikonia> no problem, that makes it easier, I'll check it out
[08:53] <eagles0513875> thanks
[10:10] <david-w> hey guys are you looking for volunteer the now for the website to develep it or on the forums for #ubuntu
[10:10] <ikonia> pardon ?
[10:11] <david-w> are you looking for any volunteers
[10:11] <ikonia> to do what ?
[10:11] <ikonia> develop the ubuntu website/forums ?
[10:12] <david-w> well to help on the forums and that
[10:12] <ikonia> ask the forum moderators, this channels only for irc related queries
[10:12] <ikonia> there are moderator contacts on the bottom of the forums
[10:12] <gord> #ubuntu-forum is it?
[10:12] <gord> !forum
[12:37] <Mamarok> seems that gospch could be a bot (in #ubuntu). Someone from the #ubuntu-fr channel just notified in #ubuntu-irc
[12:38] <Mamarok> bazhang: can you have a look at it?
[12:42] <bazhang> no response via PM, so far
[12:46] <Mamarok> it autojoins on remove and no response apparently, so the reporter says
[12:46] <Mamarok> do we allow other bots than ours?
[12:46] <bazhang> no doing any harm that I can see, perhaps he/she is idle right now
[12:47] <Mamarok> well, the channel is logged anyway, but still
[12:48] <bazhang> not afaik, though not entirely clear as it has changed back and forth from never allow to sometimes allow. Not sure where it is now
[13:41] <jussi> we dont allow bot, but if they dont talk or emit other noises... logs to the internet etc
[13:42] <jussi> then theres very little we can do, and we shouldnt be prodding every idle person asking if they are a bot
[13:42] <Mamarok> jussi: OK, it was just apparently disturbing for the French
[13:44] <jussi> Mamarok: yea, I hear you. however, until it makes a problem...
[13:45] <jussi> Just remembering that we dont do preemptive bans
[16:50] <ikonia> bazhang was on the case
[16:51] <bazhang>   use: @comment None <comment>   that is odd from the bot
[16:52] <tsimpson> bazhang: please report that to m4v in #ubuntu-bots-devel
[16:52] <bazhang> tsimpson, thanks!
[16:53] <tsimpson> he wrote the "nagging" part, so he should be able to debug that hopefully
[16:55] <bazhang> @login
[17:03] <h00k> @btlogin
[17:03] <h00k> @login
[17:03] <h00k> @btlogin
[17:04] <bazhang> can't get in to bt? h00k
[17:04] <h00k> silly ubottu, I can't get to the bt
[17:04] <bazhang> me neither
[17:04] <h00k> bazhang: :(
[17:04] <h00k> also, I got
[17:04] <tsimpson> if you have used btlogin in the last 90 days, just go to the bantracker site
[17:04] <bazhang> they're working on it as we speak
[17:04] <h00k> 5 of the same reminders, too
[17:05] <h00k> with different days
[17:05] <h00k> tsimpson: Sorry, bantracker is not available for anonymous users :(
[17:05] <tsimpson> well, you'll just have to wait then :)
[17:05] <h00k> yep!
[17:06] <tsimpson> I wonder if just reloading will help
[17:06] <tsimpson> and also hope it doesn't flood
[17:06] <tsimpson> @reload Bantracker
[17:07] <tsimpson> now just give it 2 mins...
[17:07] <h00k> ohotherewego
[17:07] <bazhang> older link got me in :)
[17:08] <h00k> I just went to the bantracker url and I was in
[17:09] <bazhang> hehe
[17:09] <bazhang> botlag
[17:26] <tsimpson> seems to be working now
[17:28] <Mamarok> @login
[17:28] <Mamarok> @btlogin
[17:28] <jpds> 17:28:18 [Freenode] >> [ ubottu ] @login
[17:28] <jpds> @login
[17:29] <jpds> ...
[17:29] <tsimpson> ?
[17:31] <Mamarok> tsimpson: I get the same message, not available for anonymous users
[17:32] <jpds> re: bug #579160
[17:32] <tsimpson> jpds: that was fixored
[17:34] <tsimpson> Mamarok: try @btlogin again, it'll probably fail but I should get some debugging info
[17:34] <Mamarok> @btlogin
[17:35] <Mamarok> it seems not to be able to resolve the webpage
[17:36] <tsimpson> seems we're having database issues
[17:37] <Mamarok> oh, I'm in
[17:37] <Mamarok> just a refresh helped
[17:38] <tsimpson> we're just going to have to put up with this for a little while I think
[17:38] <tsimpson> until we can get a proper solution in place
[17:38] <tsimpson> which will probably be a database migration
[17:41] <jussi> which is being looked into :)
[17:41]  * jussi hi 5's tsimpson
[17:41] <Mamarok> hm, I should remove a few old bans...
[17:41] <jussi> yup :D
[17:48] <tsimpson> gord: ping
[17:53] <jpds> tsimpson: Postgres+Storm +1.
[17:54] <tsimpson> jpds: I want to look at some database abstraction too, so we can move to another DB without having to rewrite everything
[17:55] <wgrant> PostgreSQL + Storm == win
[17:55] <wgrant> (Storm has lots of backends, so you can run it on MySQL too if you are completely insane)
[17:57] <ikonia> someone else was talking about storm the other day in a very positive light
[17:59] <wgrant> This is unsurprising :)
[17:59] <tsimpson> right, now I remember storm
[17:59] <tsimpson> I played with it a while ago
[18:45]  * mneptok stares at wgrant
[18:46] <wgrant> Hm, mtaylor is near me, too.
[18:46] <wgrant> I should probably be careful.
[18:47] <mneptok> mtaylor is insane. and i can bribe him with salmiakkikossu to perform mafia-style hits.
[21:48] <topyli> sorry, wonky server
[21:57] <knome> topyli, no excuses!
[21:59] <topyli> knome, feel free to donate to our kapsi hippie community and we'll improve!
[22:00] <knome> topyli, i'll donate you some air *farts*
[22:00] <topyli> this will be remembered as the day when topyli was offline from freenode for 5 minutes
[22:01] <knome> yep
[22:01] <topyli> knome, this is a logged channel btw, representing ubuntu ops here :)
[22:01] <knome> yes?
[22:01] <knome> :]
[22:24] <creatix> http://tinychat.com/pugquit
[22:30] <knome> topyli, again!
[22:31] <topyli> again
[22:31] <knome> HAR!
[22:34] <jussi> wth?
[22:34] <knome> hello jussi
[22:40] <knome> ...and good night
[22:44] <jussi> nini
[22:46] <jpds> jussi: o/
[22:46] <jussi> hiya jpds
[22:46] <jussi> enjoyed the party?
[22:46] <jpds> It was great.
[22:47]  * jussi really enjoyed the twisted sister
[22:48] <jussi> :D


[04:10] <charlesay> on my ubuntu installation I am unable to get my gnome session to run
[04:10] <charlesay> after first gdm failed to start I replaced it with lightdm, which does present a login prompt but fails to start a session
[04:10] <charlesay> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10196761/
[04:10] <charlesay> is the session log
[04:11] <charlesay> so far I didn't find any solutions by following up on error messages in there
[04:41] <Noskcaj> darkxst, tests enabled, i'll fix the quilt noise, i couldn't find the .patch (link me plz), and i saw the gtk email
[05:07] <darkxst> Noskcaj, you view commit in github web and then add ".patch" to the url
[05:07] <darkxst> https://github.com/hughsie/appstream-glib/commit/8fea9d934fbfffbead04a1a6ec9e4344725af188.patch
[05:07] <Noskcaj> cool, i didn't know that
[05:12] <darkxst> Noskcaj, just about everything about github web interface is non-standard
[05:21] <darkxst> Noskcaj, have you tried to ping berto re grilo-plugins or just via the bug report?
[05:24] <Noskcaj> darkxst, pinged via bug yesterday, email today
[05:24] <Noskcaj> no responce
[05:24] <Noskcaj> I'll package it manually sunday if there's no responce
[05:25] <darkxst> yeh I suspect we should do that, so we get it through before FF, just need to agree on naming with berto
[07:24] <Noskcaj> darkxst, do you have upload rights for https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu/vivid/gnome-system-monitor/3.15 ?
[07:24] <darkxst> Noskcaj, not yet, that is -desktop?
[07:25] <darkxst> I should get that soon, just need to apply
[07:26] <charlesay> darkxst: I still have the same issue you were helping me with yesterday. do you have an other idea how to troubleshoot it?
[07:27] <darkxst> charlesay, not really
[07:27] <darkxst> logs show X getting killed, but not why
[07:28] <darkxst> and at this point, its kind of hard to debug with out being able to reproduce
[07:28] <darkxst> maybe try a 15.04 daily and see if that works?
[07:37] <Noskcaj> darkxst, Should we be packaging all the glib things so they are current, we have the devel releases of some of them
[07:38] <darkxst> which gilb things?
[07:40] <Noskcaj> gjs, glib, glibmm, glib-networking(already current devel release)
[07:41] <darkxst> gjs != glib, but are you talking ppa or archives?
[07:41] <Noskcaj> archives
[07:42] <darkxst> gjs is latest ? stable release will probaly up to current branch though
[07:42] <darkxst> I would expect glib et all to bump to 3.16 versions in vivid archives
[07:43] <Noskcaj> glibmm hasn't been touched yet
[08:11] <darkxst_> Noskcaj, added a list of what -base will have, on the MIR bug
[08:12] <darkxst_> Laney disable thumbnail caching in totem, so only cherry pick guardian api patch
[08:15] <darkxst_> to split debug packages I think you can use
[08:16] <darkxst_> dh_strip -p<package> --dbg-package=<package-dbg>
[08:16] <darkxst_> but if that doesnt work ask ricotz
[08:20] <charlesay> darkxst_: thanks, I am not losing anything really so I will just set the machine up new I guess
[08:22] <darkxst> charlesay, 15.04 has well passed 14.10 for stability IMO
[11:36] <mtreanor> hi all, i'm wondering if someone can help out, ive got a lacie nas drive thats about 10 years, I was 90% sure i backed it up as it was failing and becoming loose, its in ext2 linux format and manage to mount it in a virtual os of ubuntu but to use meld diff to compare volumes of data I get permission issues, the backup volume is a hfs journaled drive, but if I "Sudo Nautilus" I can view the data but meld diff app won't. a
[20:56] <darkxst> Noskcaj, grilo split has so much quilt noise, I can't even find your changes in the diff
[20:56] <Noskcaj> I thought i'd fixed that :(
[20:57] <Noskcaj> I'll fix that properly now
[21:08] <Noskcaj> darkxst, try now
[21:10] <darkxst> yeh better
[21:10] <darkxst> Noskcaj, -extra should probably depend on -base (not recommend)
[21:11] <Noskcaj> fixed
[21:12] <darkxst> descriptions could be better i.e "This package contains some of the plugins officially distributed with Grilo:"
[21:13] <Noskcaj> Beforehand it was "contains the plugins", so i don't think this is a huge issue for us
[21:15] <darkxst> maybe a little cleaner to use shell globs in install files so dont need to list xml and so seperately?
[21:16] <darkxst> Noskcaj, in which case would become "contains these plugins from..."
[21:31] <darkxst> Noskcaj, i.e:
[21:31] <darkxst> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/grilo-0.2/*apple*trailers*
[21:31] <darkxst> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/grilo-0.2/*bliptv*
[21:32] <Noskcaj> ok, i'll fix that up when i finish the s/appdata/appstream ppa
[21:51] <darkxst> Noskcaj, ok, also seems lintian overrides might be obsolete
[22:11] <Noskcaj> darkxst, Do we need a transitional package or a Provides?
[22:13] <darkxst> Noskcaj, transitional package seems unnecessary give there are only a couple of rdepends
[22:13] <Noskcaj> ok
[22:13] <darkxst> you possibly want a C/R though?
[22:14] <darkxst> so that dpkg removes the old package
[22:21] <Noskcaj> darkxst, fixes pushed
[22:22] <Noskcaj> also, ppa:noskcaj/appstream-util is done. I included new upstream (bugfix only) releases for 2 gnome games so they use -util rather than -tools
[22:23] <darkxst> Noskcaj, this not right -> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/grilo-0.2/*apple-trailers*
[22:23] <darkxst> needs to be /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/grilo-0.2/*apple*trailers*
[22:23] <Noskcaj> ok
[22:23] <darkxst> same for metadata-store and local-metadata
[22:25] <Noskcaj> fixed, i think
[22:25] <darkxst> you should be able to drop the lintian overrides?
[22:25] <Noskcaj> no, the issues still exist
[22:26] <darkxst> ok
[22:28] <darkxst> didnt show when I ran lintian --show-overrides though
[22:38] <darkxst> everything else looks ok to me now
[23:44] <Noskcaj> darkxst, A fair few of the gnome-games have bugfix-only 3.15 releases. Is it ok if i package them?
[23:52] <Noskcaj> darkxst, also, will you have time to merge gnome-user-share this cycle?
[23:53] <darkxst> Noskcaj, I suppose thats ok, although I don't care enough about the games, so would just as well leave then in sync with debian
[23:53] <darkxst> Noskcaj, not likely before feature freeze
[23:53] <Noskcaj> ok


[09:26] <lizzie_chan8347> is there a setting in lubuntu by which you can set scripts to run as executable files?
[09:27] <lizzie_chan8347> as opposed to ubuntu where you can do so by right-clicking the script and going to properties?
[09:28] <lizzie_chan8347> i unpacked a tar.gz file
[09:28] <lizzie_chan8347> and now i have the folder and a file called "start.sh"
[09:28] <lizzie_chan8347> but i cannot get it to execute...when i click on execute or 'execute in terminal' nothing happens
[09:29] <lizzie_chan8347> do i have to be in the folder and use tools>open current files in terminal ??
[09:30] <lizzie_chan8347> i keep getting "no such file or directory"
 @lizzie_chan8347 [<lizzie_chan8347> but i cannot get it to execute...when i click on execute or 'e …], Do in a terminal , sudo sh start.sh
[13:22] <n-iCe> hi
[13:56] <iffraff> H, I have just added an egpu to my laptop, it has a amd radeon rx 580 driving 2 4k monitors, and now the input, mainly from keyboard but sometimes mouse to is hanging.  is there some tool I could use to figure out where the bottle neck is?
[14:22] <iffraff> hi is anyone familiar with radeontop?
[14:22] <iffraff> I'm having trouble installing it
[14:35] <iffraff> ok, how about libdrm.  launchpad shows three files to download, do I need all three?  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libdrm/2.4.95-1
[15:04] <giaco> hello
[15:04] <giaco> how can I switch main display <> secondary display?
[15:09] <DingoWealth> giaco: which version of lubuntu are you on?
[15:19] <giaco> DingoWealth: I've just solved by exploring right click on the taskbar. Thanks
[16:24] <Guest28589> hi
[18:29] <skulstars> hello
[19:58] <n-iCe> hi


[00:22] <mmikowski> Hi Mattias, you're up late!
[14:14] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[16:10] <ahoneybun_> hello BluesKaj
[16:42] <BluesKaj> hi ahoneybun_
[16:43] <BluesKaj> was afk doing some dishes for a bit
[16:44] <BluesKaj> also brewed some stong coffee...need it to stay awake after fitful sleep last night
[20:02]  * valorie also is attempting to replace sleep with caffeine
[21:52] <ahoneybun_> valorie and RikMills the changes to the slideshow were just approved/merged!
[21:52] <valorie> very cool!
[21:52] <valorie> so lovely to see you involved again, ahoneybun
[21:52] <valorie> how's the weather today in Denver?
[21:53] <valorie> cold and sunny here
[21:55] <ahoneybun_> valorie: it's cold here lol
[21:56] <valorie> it was 22 a couple of days ago and we had a bit of snow, but warmed up to 34F now, and snow all gone
[22:02] <valorie> from #kubuntu:
[22:02] <valorie> [13:58] <decho> hello, in download section, the LTS version has a wrong link. OR link is OK, but ISO file in derectory is 20.04.04 not 20.04.3. Can you bring back version LTS to ready for download?
[22:02] <valorie> [13:58] <decho> propably someone uplload wrong file to LTS directory
[22:04] <Maik> downloadpage needs fixing, it still shows 20.04.3 instead of .4 and the download link doesn't work
 It should be fixed.
[22:38] <Maik> nope, still the same at my end
[22:39] <valorie> Maik: you might have to control-f5
[22:39] <valorie> or it might be cached, so trying using a different browser?
[22:42] <Maik> nope, cleared cache, tried another browser, still the same
[22:44] <valorie> title is still Kubuntu 20.04.3 LTS oddly
[22:44] <valorie> @ahoneybun ^^^
[22:45] <valorie> and no, download link does not work for me either
[22:45] <valorie> "The requested URL was not found on this server."
[22:48] <mparillo> I do know that WordPress seems to be very slow to update.
[22:48] <mparillo> Funny, I never saw a call for testing 20.04.4
[22:54] <valorie> there was one on ubuntu-devel
[22:54] <valorie> but we didn't ask
[22:55] <mparillo> BTW, I see 20.04.4 LTS on https://kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/
[22:56] <mparillo> But not yet on Alternative Downloads
[22:57] <Maik> now it's fixed. Thanks :)
[23:01] <Maik> mparillo: indeed, Alternative Downloads still needs to be looked at i guess
[23:01] <Maik> also still showing the checksum for .3
 I need to do that
[23:20] <Maik> @ahoneybun you rock!
 Should be good?
[23:28] <Maik> hold on, checking now
[23:29] <Maik> not here as of yet


[06:00] <Kilos> morning all
[06:53] <dholbach> good morning
[06:53] <Kilos> hi dholbach  dpm  :)
[06:55] <dholbach> hi Kilos
[06:55] <dholbach> hey dpm
[06:57] <svij> morning dholbach, Kilos and dpm :)
[06:57] <dholbach> hey svij
[06:57] <dholbach> how are you all doing?
[06:57] <Kilos> hi svij  :)
[06:57] <dpm> hey, good morning all
[06:57] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[06:58] <Kilos> im happt the kc and cc sorted the probs. i love kde
[06:58] <Kilos> happy
[07:08] <dholbach> good good
[07:08] <dholbach> summer is in Berlin :)
[07:55] <Kilos> sorry, ran out of mobile data
[13:18] <ganesh_> hi
[13:55] <dholbach> jose, so next week should be fine for you for a LoCo Council themed chat at the Q&A?


[10:33] <MauroGaspari[m]> Eickmeyer: I received an email from spreadshirt today, which informed me their systems got hacked. Just want to inform you, better if you can check Ubuntu Studio account, change password and secure it.
[19:04] <Eickmeyer> MauroGaspari[m]: Yep, I'm aware. The other thing is it only affected accounts that joined prior to 2014, so we're in good shape.


[03:27] <titosupreme> The sum of the multiplicative identity and its opposite is the additive  (is it sometimes, always, or never?)
[03:28] <titosupreme> No one can answer?
[07:56] <twb> I was trying to abuse update-passwd (from base-passwd) to keep some system accounts in sync in my LXC containers.
[07:56] <twb> Unfortunately AFAICT update-passwd 1) ignores gshadow; and 2) puts *s instead of xs in shadow.
[07:57] <twb> This makes me thing there's some other layer that runs at d-i time, when it asks me "do you want shadow passwords", but I can't see WHERE that is.
[07:59] <twb> Ah, shadowconfig
[15:00] <ev> cjwatson: heads up> three of the netbooks (1 SSD, 2 ATA) are now in the millbank dc
[15:01] <ev> I've also put openssh-server on them so we can get in and reboot should the hudson slave fail to make a connection to the master
[15:01] <cjwatson> ok, thanks


 https://paste.ubuntu.com/24334519/  k1l_ big proble with unsteable ubuntu :)     from #ubuntu+1
[15:45] <k1l_> he is still poking at me
[15:52] <k1l_> but since we seem to have the "what stays in the channel happens in the channel" rule i am not allowed to ban him because of his 20 ban evasions the last days in #u. so i will just ignore is harassment
[15:53] <ikonia> I'm going to talk to him now and make it clear (and then log in the previous bans with a record) to stop trying to pick you out for complaint about ubuntu
[15:53] <ikonia> ask the channel - not you
[15:53] <ikonia> as I'm getting tired of it too, his intention is not to get help but to highlight you and gripe
[15:55] <k1l_> thanks ikonia
[15:55] <ikonia> I'll log the detail in BT


[13:19] <madlatvian> do you think ubuntu is going in the wrong direction
[13:43] <madlatvian> hi
[14:37] <Naff> Hi
[15:14] <ocooel> How do I tell what repository a package belongs to in the software centre..?


[01:19] <MichaelPetch> Is there someone here that may be able to help me in escalating a bug report (severe regression in Ubuntu 14.10) for the "gnubg" package. The bug in question is here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnubg/+bug/1393105
[15:37] <teward> MichaelPetch: the solution is to wait - there's a substantial sponsorship queue - yours is in the queue but you have to wait.  http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/ is the whole queue for sponsor-seeking things
[15:46] <MichaelPetch> Thank you for the response
[15:46] <MichaelPetch> I was unaware I could see the queue, thanks for the link.
[16:38] <TheBlackRussian> this is ubuntu bug right
[16:42] <TheBlackRussian> i may have a bug which i need help me?
[16:48] <penguin42> TheBlackRussian: Ah hello again
[16:48] <penguin42> TheBlackRussian: Have you reported it using ubuntu-bug yet?
[16:48] <TheBlackRussian> they told to come here
[16:48] <TheBlackRussian> ah penguin, we meet again
[16:48] <penguin42> TheBlackRussian: You need to report the bug with ubuntu-bug
[16:48] <TheBlackRussian> i did do that
[16:49] <penguin42> ok, and what's the bug number?
[16:49] <TheBlackRussian> Bug #1393205
[16:49]  * penguin42 looks
[16:50] <penguin42> TheBlackRussian: OK, so I've flipped that to the right package, now do you have the upstream bug number that ali1234 found for it yesterday?
[16:51] <penguin42> TheBlackRussian: The freedesktop.org bug ?
[16:51] <TheBlackRussian> no
[16:51] <penguin42> ok, lets see if I have it in my history
[16:53] <penguin42> got it
[16:53] <TheBlackRussian> oorah
[16:54] <penguin42> TheBlackRussian: So I've flipped that bug to the right package and wired the freedesktop.org bug into it
[16:54] <TheBlackRussian> so what do i do now
[16:54] <teward> wait
[16:54] <penguin42> TheBlackRussian: Did you ever try building the kernel like ali1234 was suggesting yesterday?
[16:55] <TheBlackRussian> dont have a clue how to build a kernel nor what a kernel is
[16:55] <penguin42> TheBlackRussian: OK, so then you need to wait; sorry we're not intel graphics devs
[16:55] <TheBlackRussian> devs?
[16:57] <penguin42> developers
[16:57] <penguin42> we can help work bugs through here
[16:58] <TheBlackRussian> :( so no intel guys here
[16:58] <penguin42> TheBlackRussian: Probably not, if you're lucky one of the Intel guys will notice that bug and help, but they're are a lot of bugs
[16:59] <TheBlackRussian> what are the chances a intel guy will notice, by that sentence i guess help is rare
[17:00] <penguin42> yeh
[17:01] <penguin42> but they do sometimes, I've had them comment on a few
[17:01] <TheBlackRussian> :( by the time i get that help i be 100 years old i guess
[17:31]  * eliasps is away: I'm away or busy, leave a message and I'll get back to you.
[19:38] <wxl> hey folks need help with bug 1273524
[19:38] <wxl> i'm not sure if lightdm's guest session or lxsession is to blame (or both)
[20:55] <MichaelPetch> While I am here. This bug may be duplicated somewhere else(i didn't see it, sorry if it is a dup). It is related to mysql-workbench. Originally the bug was from 2013: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mysql-workbench/+bug/1155571  and was changed to "fixed". Since then in the past week or so may people have reported *similar* issues (even appeared on Stack Overflow). Should a new bug be created? Or should this be re
[20:57] <MichaelPetch> It is a medium priority issue IMHO (but it is affecting many people). The EER diagram editor basically becomes useless (see this bug on StackOverflow for an example: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/26902391/the-eer-diagram-editor-is-not-displaying-column-data-and-other-information/26934118#26934118 )
[23:48] <teward> MichaelPetch: it also is a Universe package - again, it's community supported
[23:49] <teward> MichaelPetch: if as you say this is a regression and the prior bug is already fixed, you should create a new bug, making a note that this is Bug 1155571 but is still present - a "Fix Released" usually means it was fixed at one point, but if it's also found in a newer version of the package, it could be a regression
[23:50] <teward> to that end, however, if it's in an older version, you might want to consider opening an SRU bug -
[23:50] <teward> but it seems that this is a 'regression'
[23:52] <MichaelPetch> Thanks that was me feeling on it. It definitely is a regression caused by a change with GLIB. Upstream seems to be aware of it and there was a patch (but no official source). I was tempted to create a new bug to ensure that it is captured in 14.10.
[23:52] <MichaelPetch> I was wondering if I was maybe missing a bug in the system that already captured this problem before I duplicate the bug.
[23:53] <teward> MichaelPetch: i guess I'll go poke the release team again - ultimately it's SRU-able, I believe, if you have a specific patch for it, but again, SRU decisions are up to the release team and the SRU team, not the bug control and triagers
[23:55] <MichaelPetch> I think it is enough of a regression to get a fix. Although it doesn't prevent you from using the diagram editor it definitely limits one ability to use it for modifications (which many people do). I hadn't tried the patch yet (I probably should) to see if it works.
[23:56] <MichaelPetch> Thanks for your input. Much appreciated
[23:56] <teward> MichaelPetch: open a bug, make a note in it that its a regression, go test the patch, put the SRU template in, etc.
[23:57] <teward> either way I'd open a bug for the regression - it looks like the glib changes are going to make quite a few regressions
[23:58] <teward> don't expect expediency though - and also keep in mind 'criticality' of a bug is dependent on the bug importances in the triage guide - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Bug%20importances details the importance classifications we use
[23:58] <teward> ultimately bug control members have to set the importance, but still
[23:58] <teward> MichaelPetch: and I apologize for the late late response almost 3 hours later... side effect of being busy :P
[23:59] <MichaelPetch> Agreed. I'm an upstream maintainer where a glib regression broke our product in 14.10 and I'm currently trying to get that going as an SRU. It was just coincidental that I happened to answer a StackOverflow that seems to be related to yet another glib regression. And I would probbaly expect there are many projects that may be broken(or partially) and it may not have been discovered.


[14:10] <ahmad> Hello
[14:11] <ahmad> http://banglalion4g.com/page/devices
[14:11] <ahmad> AS110
[14:11] <ahmad> AS110 Is this Device Support Ubuntu


[01:20] <tgm4883> How do you know it gets stuck at 36%?
[01:21] <localgod11> it tells me
[01:22] <localgod11> i get to the loading screen adn the system locks up
[01:22] <tgm4883> can you ctrl-alt-F1 or is it a hard lock?
[01:22] <localgod11> hard
[01:22] <tgm4883> system specs?
[01:23] <localgod11> p4 1.6gh
[01:23] <localgod11> 512 ram
[01:23] <tgm4883> and this happens every time?
[01:23] <localgod11> yep
[01:23] <tgm4883> vid card?
[01:23] <localgod11> nvidia mx 400
[01:24] <tgm4883> prop driver installed?
[01:24] <localgod11> installed legacy nvidia
[01:24] <localgod11> geforce
[01:24] <localgod11> not geforce 2
[01:24] <tgm4883> has it ever started correctly?
[01:25] <localgod11> nope
[01:25] <tgm4883> and this is a standard mythbuntu install?
[01:25] <localgod11> yep
[01:25] <localgod11> i installed but didnt use fiesty and it worked fine
[01:25] <tgm4883> hmm
[01:25] <localgod11> ideas
[01:26] <tgm4883> huh?
[01:26] <localgod11> i have about 20 hrs into this
[01:26] <tgm4883> what does this mean "i installed but didnt use fiesty and it worked fine"
[01:27] <localgod11> i installed fiesty and it went it looked ok
[01:27] <localgod11> but then i trashed it and installed myth
[01:27] <tgm4883> ok sec
[01:27] <localgod11> k
[01:28] <tgm4883> very odd
[01:29] <tgm4883> did you md5sum the iso and verify the cd after burning?
[01:29] <localgod11> yep
[01:30] <localgod11> i think
[01:33] <tgm4883> what cd did you install with?
[01:33] <localgod11> i downloaded the current iso
[01:33] <tgm4883> k
[01:33] <therethinker> has he tried verifing the CD?
[01:33] <localgod11> and now
[01:33] <tgm4883> also, what did you do to get it up to 36%?
[01:34] <localgod11> it was loading themes i think
[01:34] <localgod11> prescaling theme images
[01:34] <localgod11> stopped at 36%
[01:34] <tgm4883> right, but what has changed so that it now loads up to 36%
[01:35] <localgod11> nothing
[01:35] <localgod11> that as far as i ever get
[01:35] <tgm4883> right, but before it was only loading to 16%, now it's up to 36%.
[01:36] <localgod11> h
[01:36] <localgod11> yah
[01:36] <localgod11>  i changed the ram from 256  sorry i got alot going on here
[01:36] <therethinker> $test
[01:36] <mythbot> Although I didn't know, ubotu says: Failed.
[01:36] <therethinker> $poke MitoTranin
[01:36] <mythbot> /me stabs mitotranin violently with a rusty spoon
[01:37] <tgm4883> so how much do you have now
[01:37] <localgod11> 512
[01:37] <localgod11> cd integrity is OK
[01:38] <tgm4883> and memtest checks out fine?
[01:39] <therethinker> $42
[01:39] <mythbot> Sorry, I neither I or ubotu knew, but Wikipedia says: "Year 42 was a common year starting on Monday (link will display the full calendar) of the Julian calendar." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/42
[01:39] <localgod11> i thought 42 was the answer
[01:39] <localgod11> yes
[01:39] <tgm4883> what tuners?
[01:40] <localgod11> none
[01:40] <localgod11> only using for playback
[01:40] <tgm4883> playback of recording?  is this a frontend only?
[01:41] <MitoTranin> localgod11: if you haven't ever used this system yet, I would definitely reinstall now that you have upgraded the ram
[01:41] <localgod11> no its a full install but i am only using for playback not a full dvr
[01:41] <MitoTranin> when you do install, make sure to choose the restricted drivers for nvidia legacy
[01:41] <tgm4883> did you do any custom partitioning?
[01:41] <localgod11> really why would a ram upgrade require a reinstall
[01:42] <MitoTranin> localgod11: because 256 isn't enough to properly run the livecd
[01:42] <localgod11> MitoTranin: i did than when i installed
[01:42] <localgod11> but would a ram upgrade really require a reinstall?
[01:43] <MitoTranin> localgod11: my point is that 256mb wasn't enough for your installation environment to function properly
[01:43] <MitoTranin> something might have not happened properly during the installation, which could be a cause to this type of problem
[01:43] <MitoTranin> I realize that reinstalling normally shouldn't be a first-step solution
[01:43] <MitoTranin> BUT
[01:43] <MitoTranin> I'm taking your word that you've already spent 20 hours working on this
[01:44] <MitoTranin> that, coupled with the fact that it's only a frontend, and the fact that you've never used it, means that you will loose nothing during the process of reformatting it
[01:45] <MitoTranin> So... just to start with a clean slate, and to make sure that everything is as we expect it (we have no idea what you did in that 20 hours, but we do know what to expect from a clean install)
[01:45] <MitoTranin> we can help you a lot more when we know what state you are in... and right now, you have 20 hours of "messing with things" trying to get it to work, that we don't know about...
[01:46] <localgod11> lol
[01:46] <localgod11> 20 hours was spent installing 3 diff opertaing systems
[01:46] <localgod11> i am indiscive
[01:47] <localgod11> brb
[01:53] <MitoTranin> localgod11: anyways, what I was going to suggest was this:  reinstall clean, with installing the restricted drivers, even though you said you just did it... this time though with the bumped up ram
[01:54] <MitoTranin> if that still has the same problem, then without even troubleshooting I would again reinstall, this time with the standard non-restricted drivers
[02:03] <localgod11>
[02:07] <localgod11> we are re-installing...
[02:07] <localgod11> fug it
[02:07] <localgod11> !!!
[02:12] <propagandhi> does anybody know of a PCIe 1x tuner card that works?
[02:18] <MythbuntuGuest39> Hello?
[02:18] <therethinker> $hello!
[02:18] <mythbot> Sorry, I neither I or ubotu knew, but Wikipedia says: "Hello! is a weekly magazine specialising in celebrity news and gossip, published in Britain." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hello!
[02:18] <therethinker> $hello
[02:18] <mythbot> Welcome to #Ubuntu-mythtv.  Please state your question or comment.
[02:18] <tgm4883> nice
[02:18] <MythbuntuGuest39> I'm having a problem with the latest Mythbuntu not changing channels properly
[02:19] <MythbuntuGuest39> I've done some testing and running ivtv-tune to change channels works fine
[02:19] <therethinker> $slap tgm4883
[02:19] <mythbot> /me slaps tgm4883
[02:19] <MythbuntuGuest39> but Mythbuntu will only seem to change channels once
[02:19] <gib> After I logged on my mybuntu main front/back end machine hooked to my tv from a remote front end client it changed my themes to the ones used on the remote front end, and also my "Play DVD" setting went away?  Why did that happen, and what do I need to do to get the "Play DVD" option back on the "Optical Disk" menu?
[02:21] <MythbuntuGuest39> I'd suggest reseting your theme on the box connected to your TV as a start.
[02:21] <gib> Any idea why the theme on the remote machine would reset the one on the main box?
[02:22] <gib> Do you have to use a different user name from each machine?
[02:24] <MythbuntuGuest39> I'm not sure. I'd set the themes on both boxes to be the same as a workaround, though.
[02:25] <localgod11> ok have reinstalled
[02:25] <localgod11> now i have to setup the back end
[02:26] <MythbuntuGuest39> Anyone else here having channel changing problems with a PVR-150?
[02:26] <tgm4883> no
[02:26] <tgm4883> is this a standard mythbuntu install?
[02:27] <gib> What kind of problems are you having?  I just ordered one of those because it seems to be the best supported, and can't get mpeg2 hardware encoding to work on the card I have.
[02:34] <MythbuntuGuest39> Yes, standard install.
[02:34] <MythbuntuGuest39> Well, there was a new RC released this weekend that I've upgraded to, but otherwise standard Mythbuntu
[02:34] <MythbuntuGuest39> I like to do things the easy way!
[02:35] <MythbuntuGuest39> Anyway, strangely if I exit the frontend and go to a command prompt, I can change channels with ivtv-tune
[02:35] <MythbuntuGuest39> I've tested recording and everything works as expected.
[02:36] <MythbuntuGuest39> Channels change back and forth properly.
[02:36] <gib> Did you set your frequency table to the one used by your cable company, or just leave it on default?
[02:36] <MythbuntuGuest39> As soone as I try to change a channel through the Myth frontend, I get one change then it won't change any more.
[02:36] <MythbuntuGuest39> I set it to my cable company's
[02:37] <MythbuntuGuest39> The ivtv module says I've got firmware version0x02050032 but recommends 0x02060039. Could this be a problem?
[02:39] <gib> What about if you type in the channel # instead of doing +-?
[02:39] <MythbuntuGuest39> Well, I'm not too concerned about LiveTV. The problem happens on scheduled recordings
[02:40] <MythbuntuGuest39> The first program I schedule records the correct channel, after that, no channel changes.
[02:40] <MythbuntuGuest39> So, I'm guessing the problem exists whether typing in the number directly or doing +-
[02:41] <localgod11> ok so i reinstalled and thing look good but i have no pic on the tv
[02:41] <localgod11> i can load the front and back end on the monitor but nothin on the tv
[02:42] <localgod11> help
[02:42] <tgm4883> localgod11, how is the computer hooked up to the tv?
[02:43] <gib> I have a similar problem with my card, but it has lots of problems and is not well supported.  It changes channels like it is supposed on on Live TV, but never actually  changes channels like it is supposed to for scheduled recordings.  I just get garbage because it does tune.
[02:43] <gib> It's pretty weird.  I'm not sure what is different between tuning to record as you watch and scheduling a recording.
[02:44] <gib> I hope I don't still have that problem after shelling out for the new card.  That would really suck.
[02:44] <localgod11> svid
[02:44] <tgm4883> MythbuntuGuest39, the cable is coming straight from the wall?  Not though a cable box?
[02:44] <localgod11> i installed the propritary nvid drivers
[02:45] <tgm4883> localgod11, did you setup the tv screen in Xorg Config?
[02:45] <localgod11> i am about to
[02:45] <localgod11> and ideas for the setup the tv is an old rear projection
[02:46] <tgm4883> localgod11, well the setup should be somewhat explanitory.  What kind of idea are you looking for?
[02:46] <localgod11> res and hrtz
[02:46] <gib> Well, I figured out why my theme changes.  It's gone, so it reverted to the default.  I used to have about 7 themes to chose from, now I have only 3.
[02:47] <localgod11> i should set it up like screen 2 right?
[02:47] <tgm4883> gib, is mythtv themes installed?
[02:47] <tgm4883> localgod11, i believe so
[02:47] <localgod11> ok
[02:47] <tgm4883> gib, err mythtv-themes
[02:47] <MythbuntuGuest39> Straight from the wall.
[02:47] <localgod11> plug and play?
[02:47] <gib> I think it was, but it it must have been auto uninstalled by some other package.  Strange.
[02:48] <tgm4883> localgod11, is this a standalone machine or are you planning on using the desktop on it?
[02:49] <localgod11> if i am using nvidia legacy drivers should the nvida config utility be an option
[02:49] <localgod11> standalone
[02:49] <tgm4883> ok, then i think you need to set it as your primary screen, with 640x480 resolution
[02:49] <localgod11> i can launch the restriced driver manager but not the nvidia config utiluty
[02:50] <localgod11> so set screen 2 as primary?
[02:50] <tgm4883> what about the xorg config utility?
[02:50] <localgod11> thats works
[02:50] <tgm4883> ok so setup the screen
[02:50] <localgod11> ok
[02:51] <localgod11> should i leave the model as unkown or change it to plug and play or something else
[02:52] <gib> Hmm.  I reinstalled the themes, and it came back to what it was without even choosing it.  I just wasn't using it because it was looking for it, but it was gone.  I wonder what uninstalled it?
[02:52] <tgm4883> not sure about that
[02:53] <tgm4883> gib, tough to tell
[02:53] <localgod11> when i use "test" it resets the setting to what they were
[02:53] <gib> I suppose there is an apt log or something somewhere where you can trace down what package triggered an unistall.
[02:54] <gib> Maybe you need to have extra logging options turned on to track that kind of detail though.
[02:55] <MythbuntuGuest39> Does anyone know if there is a simple file that MythTV uses as a channel change script by default?
[02:55] <MythbuntuGuest39> Or does it do channel changes programatically in the code somewhere?
[02:55] <localgod11> ok now it only displays the backround image
[02:56] <localgod11> but i can ctrl-alt-f1
[02:56] <tgm4883> localgod11, which background image?
[02:56] <MythbuntuGuest39> If you've gotten that far localgod11, sounds like it's working.
[02:56] <localgod11> the one from the front end
[02:57] <localgod11> but its not on the tv yet only the monitor
[02:57] <MythbuntuGuest39> Ah
[02:57] <localgod11> ctrl-alt-bckspace?
[02:57] <therethinker> that resets X
[02:57] <localgod11> yah i know would that help here?
[02:59] <localgod11> know i am gettung the low graphics mode warning
[02:59] <localgod11> fug
[03:00] <gib> Where do you tell mythtv that you have a DVD drive?  It must thing I don't have one anymore because "play DVD" doesn't show up on the optical disk menu anymore.
[03:01] <tgm4883> gib, is mythdvd still installed?
[03:02] <gib> Oh, I get that got unintalled too.    Thanks, that must be it.
[03:05] <MythbuntuGuest39> Any thoughts on being able to intercept channel changes?
[03:05] <MythbuntuGuest39> I'm thinking that since ivtv-tune works for me, if I write a channel change script
[03:06] <MythbuntuGuest39> and I can get Mythbuntu to not attempt to change a channel itself, I may be good to go.
[03:07] <MythbuntuGuest39> Anyone with any thoughts to share?
[03:10] <gib> Does anyone else with the 150 have this same problem?  I sure hope I don't have that problem with it when I get it.  I read it was the best supported card.
[03:11] <MitoTranin> I had a 350 for a while until the sound on it died, and never had any problems with it
[03:11] <MitoTranin> (other than the sound dieing of course)
[03:11] <MitoTranin> * note: the 350 and the 150 are the same, except the 350 also has an output
[03:12] <tazgodx_> i have the 350, and its gread
[03:12] <tazgodx_> also have a 500, but do'nt have it plugged in yet
[03:12] <MythbuntuGuest39> I was running an earlier version of Knoppmyth with it no problem
[03:13] <MitoTranin> * note for gib: the 500 is simply two 150's on the same card
[03:13] <gib> I'm very limited in what I can use.  I need a low profile hardware MPEG2 card.  The only one's I've seen are the Hauppauge 150-lp, and the ADS pvt-350 that isn't working for me right now.
[03:13] <MythbuntuGuest39> Up until Zap2It labs disappeared
[03:13] <tazgodx_> yeah, thanks for pointing that out MitoTranin
[03:13] <localgod11> i keeo setting the grahics card to nvida and the system keeps changing it to vesa
[03:13] <localgod11> why?
[03:14] <gib> A 500-lp or 350-lp would be cool, but I'm not holding my breath.
[03:15] <MitoTranin> dunno localgod11... are you doing anything afterwards, like changing settings in the nvidia config?  a lot of times changing the nvidia config will simply overwrite the xorg.conf file instead of editing it
[03:15] <MitoTranin> sorry all, I really can't talk right now though... I am on a timeline right now and need to get things done
[03:15] <localgod11> no i am not touching the nvidia config
[03:15] <MitoTranin> gonna leave so I don't get tempted...
[03:16] <localgod11> damn
[03:16] <tazgodx_> i would try to help, but im jsuta  user like you guys. can only help with problems ive come accross and fixed
[03:16] <MitoTranin> tgm4883, tgm4883_laptop superm1 therethinker etc < ping - maybe they can help...
[03:16] <MitoTranin> Daviey ^^^ maybe he can help too
[03:17] <tazgodx_> im gonna try to finish pluggin in my mythbox
[03:35] <MythbuntuGuest39> Doesn't look like I'll find my answer here. Thanks all.
[03:44] <localgod11> ferrari
[03:47] <localgod11> anyone running an nvidia mx400 card?
[03:47] <localgod11> or can you tell me how to enable the proprietary divers?
[03:48] <localgod11> or both
[03:54] <MythbuntuGuest24> hello
[03:54] <superNoob71> hello
[03:55] <superNoob71> why did my monitor settings change when is set my graphics card drivers?
[03:55] <superNoob71> anyone here?
[03:56] <localgod11> what means: requested entity already in use
[03:57] <superNoob71> hellO
[03:57] <superNoob71> $hello
[04:17] <localgod11> anyone giving help today?
[04:24] <localgod11> fug
[04:25] <tazgodx> i don't know much
[04:39] <tazgodx> hmm, i bought a spliter/amplifier, and now my signal SUCKS! a normal splitter was WAY better
[04:42] <tgm4883_laptop> tazgodx, one of 2 things.  either a crappy amplifier, or your signal is too strong
[04:42] <tgm4883_laptop> or your signal is too crappy
[04:44] <tazgodx> signal can be "too strong"?
[04:44] <tgm4883_laptop> yes
[04:45] <tgm4883_laptop> funny as it sounds, it can be too strong
[04:45] <tazgodx> hmm, maybe ill just but a normal 4-way splitter
[05:09] <localgod11> i cant get picture on the tv i am using an Nvidia gefore mx400
[07:50] (gib/#ubuntu-mythtv) I got down to just gnucsh with nothing depending on it and it still wouldn't let me nuke it--how stupid is that?
[07:51] (gib/#ubuntu-mythtv) Good luck;  It's a hard language.  My brother speaks it 'cause his wife in from Toyko.  My niece speaks both English and Japanese.
[07:52] <tazgodx> i have the rosetta stone software for japanese, supposed to be the best way to learn a new language. but i switched to linux shortly after getting it, and as far as i know, it doesn't work in linux :(
[07:52] <Dr_willis> tazgodx,  try wine, or cedega, or perhaps use windows in a virtual machine.
[07:53] <gib> Maybe that's what happened, and I didn't notice it.  A lot of my myth packages got mysteriously uninstalled.
[07:53] <gib> Yeah, I heard that's good.  Why not install virtualbox and run it that way?
[07:54] <gib> The new VB 1.5 will even let you launch indivual win apps to the linux desktop with out making it be contained within the win desktop.
[07:54] <gib> Pretty cool.
[07:55] <gib> http://www.nomachine.com/
[07:56] <gib> oops
[07:56] <gib> www.virtualbox.org
[07:56] <rhpot1991> hmmmm I'm thinking of downgrading to feisty now
[07:56] <gib> That last one was in my paste buffer :)
[07:56] <rhpot1991> I wonder how bad of an idea that is
[07:57] <gib> gutsy is working well for me.  That dep issue was a function of the update process, not a flaw in gutsy.
[07:57] <rhpot1991> well I have a problem with vnc too
[07:58] <rhpot1991> and I don't have time to wait for the dependencies to get fixed
[07:58] <gib> Have you ever tried nx?
[07:58] <solarbaby> either I have this new version configured wrong or its just buggy
[07:58] <rhpot1991> nope
[07:58] <solarbaby> I can't seem to record anything with it
[07:59] <rhpot1991> I'd rather just get vnc working again
[07:59] <gib> You should give it a shot.  It's an order of magnitude faster than anything else.
[07:59] <rhpot1991> I got it to the point where I can login again, but I think its taking complete control over the system so that wont work when mythtv is running
[07:59] <gib> It's hard to believe until you try it.
[08:00] <solarbaby> maybe the database is screwed up
[08:01] <solarbaby> Hmmm..
[08:01] <tazgodx> with virtual box do i need a valid copy of windows to install?
[08:02] <rhpot1991> I don't like the fact that nx needs to piggyback off of ssh
[08:02] <rhpot1991> as I already use 22 to ssh into my router
[08:02] <gib> Well, you need a copy of Windows.  I'm not sure if it needs to be valid or not.  I've only tried a valid copy.
[08:02] <rhpot1991> why do you need windows?
[08:03] <tazgodx> for those crappy windows programs that only run on windows
[08:03] <gib> You can use nx and shh at the same time.  I do it all the time.
[08:03] <rhpot1991> does the nx viewer only work in windows?
[08:04] <rhpot1991> ya but in order for me to use 22 to my router, I would need to change the port ssh uses on my mythbox
[08:04] <solarbaby> how do you run the mc.sql script?
[08:04] <solarbaby> Im gunna destroy my database and see if starting from the begining resolves my recording problems
[08:05] <gib> I've only used nx with linux.  You can install the whole thing in like two minutes.  Just click on client and let chose install with gdebi, than repeat with node, then server.
[08:05] <solarbaby> the deleting the mysql database instructions should be updated not only to notify you that you need to run the mc.sql script but also tell how how to run it
[08:06] <rhpot1991> is it faster than vnc?
[08:06] <Wy|laptop> Hrm, any opinions on this?
[08:06] <gib> Yes, it's ungodly fast.    I didn't think that would be possible.
[08:07] <Wy|laptop> and the only way to fix it is to reboot the xserver (ctrl-alt-backspace) after which everything works again
[08:08] <Wy|laptop> hardware, crappy nvidia dirvers, or crappy mplayer?
[08:08] <rhpot1991> I'll give it a try I guess
[08:08] <rhpot1991> anyone have any idea when gutsy repos will be fixed?
[08:08] <gib> I have a bunch of non-tech relatives on Kubuntu, and I maintain their machines for them over nx and it's just like I'm sitting at their machines.
[08:09] <gib> Well, it'd better be soon 'cause release day is Thurs.
[08:12] <rhpot1991> gib: do you have gutsy sources for nx?
[08:12] <rhpot1991> I only see fiesty ones
[08:13] <gib> Just click and install directly from Nomachine.  Their deb versions work fine on all Debian-based distros.
[08:13] <gib> Including gutsy
[08:14] <gib> Even though it's not listed.
[08:14] <gib> It's pretty much self contained so it doesn't matter much what you have installed.
[08:15] <gib> It doesn't break because of deps and versioning because it keep it's own version of the things it needs in it's own directories.
[08:16] <gib> Don't confuse it with freenx which is VERY version dep, and breaks easily.
[08:18] <gib> It's confusing because the "free version of MX" and freeNX are not the same.
[08:18] <gib> NX
[08:20] <gib> The Free version of NX works much better than freeNX.  The only advantage of freeNX is that that it is open sourced.  They are both free as in no cost.
[08:20] <solarbaby> I really want to Love MythTV but right now I just dont know
[08:21] <solarbaby> it seems a little buggy
[08:21] <gib> You'll love it when you get it all tweaked out just right, but by then you'll be too tired to use it ;)
[08:22] <solarbaby> I hear ya Mate!
[08:22] <solarbaby> Im already tired.. and its giving me issues
[08:22] <solarbaby> it doesn't like to actually record anything, but TV watching is fine
[08:22] <rhpot1991> I think I'll worry about all this tomorrow
[08:22] <rhpot1991> might work from home so I can try and get it back up and running
[08:22] <solarbaby> it sez its going to record, then it doesn't.. then it tells me it has conflicts and with stuff that it also isn't recording hehe
[08:23] <rhpot1991> sounds like a db problem
[08:23] <solarbaby> si I just deleted the database, hopefully that'll help
[08:23] <gib> What card do you have?  I have a similar issue, but my card is poorly supported because it is relatively rare.  I broke down and ordered a different one.
[08:23] <solarbaby> Hauppauge 350
[08:23] <solarbaby> They seem to support my card rather well
[08:23] <rhpot1991> 350 is a good card, I have one
[08:24] <rhpot1991> works perfectly fine
[08:24] <solarbaby> thats great, I look forward to getting Myth working the way it was intended.. so far it's just really been a rough time
[08:24] <solarbaby> so far I've spent a week on it
[08:24] <solarbaby> sigh
[08:24] <rhpot1991> it takes a lot of messing with
[08:24] <gib> Mine records live and also records scheduled,  but doesn't seen to tune the channel before starting scheduled recordings.
[08:24] <rhpot1991> in general
[08:25] <solarbaby> now that im running the most current version the install was real nice
[08:25] <tazgodx> ive been messing with it for like 4 months, and still tweaking it here and there
[08:25] <solarbaby> doesn't tune the channels?  do you have a IR device that turns your channels?
[08:26] <solarbaby> the whole reason I installed Myth.. was because theres a python script for xbox that allows me to access Mythbackend
[08:26] <solarbaby> hehe
[08:27] <gib> It tunes when I choose watch TV and type in a channel, but it just seems to record without setting the channel for scheduled recordings.
[08:27] <solarbaby> Im coming from the GBPVR family.. finally decided to give them up for something better..  and I was surprised that Myth isn't really much further along then GBPVR
[08:27] <solarbaby> gib:thats really not good
[08:28] <gib> Well, like I said, the card is not well supported.
[08:28] <gib> I've yet to talk to anyone who has one.
[08:28] <solarbaby> gib: does the card suck?
[08:28] <gib> ADS PTV-305.
[08:29] <gib> I think it would be ok if the firmware was 100% right for it.
[08:29] <solarbaby> gib: nod
[08:30] <gib> I got it because the MythTV wiki said someone somewhere got it to work at one point in time :))
[08:30] <solarbaby> gib: that makes me laugh
[08:30] <gib> Not sure who this person was though, and with what kernel
[08:30] <gib> :)
[08:30] <solarbaby> gib: I bought my Hauppage 350 because SageTV recommended it
[08:30] <solarbaby> gib: I was very lucky that other platforms also supported this card
[08:31] <solarbaby> gib: I didn't wanna stick with SageTV after my version expired
[08:31] <solarbaby> gib: they are expensive and they are not the best
[08:31] <gib> I guess the lesson is, don't buy something that isn't owned by many other users 'cause it won't get much attention and when bugs get injected in new kernels and such nobody will notice or care.
[08:32] <solarbaby> gib: there you go.. thats perfect logic
[08:33] <gib> So I ordered a 150-lp.  The only other hardware MPEG2 card that will fit in a slimline case.
[08:34] <solarbaby> I run a Small Form Factor box myself
[08:34] <solarbaby> most cards fit thankfully
[08:34] <gib> It doesn't have a remote, but I got the remote part of the ADS-305 to work so I got something out of it anyway.
[08:35] <gib> Mine is not just small form factor, but low, as in needing low profile cards.
[08:35] <gib> Which really limits your options severely.
[08:36] <solarbaby> yeah it does
[08:37] <solarbaby> the remote control that comes with the 350 works really nicely with Myth
[08:37] <tazgodx> http://www.ambientweather.com/ptjasav23290.html
[08:37] <gib> As far as I know, I'll own ALL of the low profile MPEG2 cards :))
[08:37] <solarbaby> now if I could only get my USBUIRT to broadcast channel changes to my Satalite Box I'd be in good shape
[08:37] <gib> all two of them
[08:37] <solarbaby> hahah
[08:37] <tazgodx> is that a good 4-way splitter/amplifier?
[08:38] <solarbaby> shrug
[08:39] <gib> I have a 4-way amp I put in like 7 years ago.  It cost like $150 though.  That seems really cheap.
[08:41] <tazgodx> $150?!?1
[08:41] <tazgodx> i don't have that kind of money
[08:41] <tazgodx> $15 i do have tho
[08:43] <gib> Maybe the costs have come way down since then, I don't know, or many they just don't do anything to control noise.
[08:43] <gib> maybe
[08:44] <tazgodx> thats actually the one i have, and if its actually working, it SUX
[08:46] <gib> I think mine is a channelmaster, and I'm searching for some and seeing $40 for 4-way, so maybe the prices have some way down.
[08:47] <gib> oh, wait
[08:47] <gib> mine is a ChannelVision
[08:50] <tazgodx> http://www.altex.com/product_info.php?products_id=5057
[08:50] <tazgodx> ?
[08:50] <gib> Here is one on amazon with a couple of five star reviews.
[08:50] <gib> http://www.amazon.com/Channel-Vision-CVT-2-4PIA-Amplified/dp/B000KPS3GS
[08:50] <gib> Price seems good.
[08:52] <tazgodx> have to buy from other customers tho, amazon doesn't have any
[08:54] <gib> Not just another user.  It's an associated seller you can purchase from through the regular Amazon shopping cart.
[08:54] <gib> It just isn't shipped from them and you won't get their free shipping.
[08:55] <tazgodx> don't amplifiers need a power cord?
[08:56] <gib> Yes
[08:58] <gib> The power adapter has a regular coax cable with coupler on the end that screws into the power in terminal just like any other cable device
[08:58] <tazgodx> this one i have is retarded, i unplug it, and it gives me the same crappy video quality, i plug it in, no change. what the hell
[08:59] <gib> It's either broken, or it signal strength is offset by the noise it introduces.
[09:00] <tazgodx> crappy frys equiptment
[09:00] <gib> You could also try calling your cable company and compaining that you don't have a powerful enough signal coming in and tell them to up the power from the street.
[09:01] <gib> Then you could get buy with a normal splitter.
[09:01] <tazgodx> i actually probably could get away with a normal splitter
[09:02] <tazgodx> it was perfect with just a 2-way splitter
[09:02] <gib> If you have a cable modem you should be able to tell how strong of a signal you are receiving by checking the modems status page.
[09:03] <tazgodx> i have a cable modem, but im on DSL now.
[09:03] <gib> Did you ever check the signal strength
[09:03] <gib> ?
[09:03] <tazgodx> but i know my dad had to increase the signal when he had the extension put in
[09:04] <gib> You can get a status page from most modems by typing in <IP_ADDRESS> on most cable modems.
[09:05] <gib> My Dad is right next to the cable box (It's in his yard), and I had to have him put a splitter on just too loose signal strength on purpose for his modem to work because his level was so high.
[09:05] <gib> That's rare though.
[09:06] <gib> The opposite problem is much more common.
[09:07] <tazgodx> im thinking taht a amplifier isn't needed in my room, i think they were just here and installed a smplifier just outside my room to the cable running just to my room
[09:07] <tazgodx> maybe ill just try a normal splitter
[09:08] <gib> Well, if you get a strong picture without one, there is no reason to use one.
[09:08] <tazgodx> well i had a 2-way splitter, but i wanted to split it 4 ways, and thought i would get an amplifier
[09:09] <gib> You haven't tried a regular 4-way splitter yet?
[09:09] <tazgodx> nope
[09:10] <gib> the regular 4 way I have reduces signal strength by -7
[09:10] <gib> What is your 2-way marked as?
[09:10] <gib> -4?
[09:11] <tazgodx> doesn't say
[09:11] <tazgodx> http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?product_code=319492
[09:11] <tazgodx> thats a link to it
[09:12] <tazgodx> i don't see specs on it anywhere
[09:13] <gib> I can't rotate it, but they are usually marked in tiny raised letters right next to the output terminals.
[09:13] <gib> like 4dB
[09:13] <gib> meaning 4dB signal loss
[09:14] <tazgodx> nope, doesn't say anything
[09:14] <gib> That's strange.  I've never seen one with no markings before.
[09:15] <tazgodx> think ill run to radio shack tomorrow, and pick up a splitter and try it out.
[09:15] <gib> Radio shack ones may be crap though.
[09:15] <gib> Some splitters are very low quality.
[09:16] <gib> The ones the cable companies use tend to be the best.
[09:16] <gib> They've left several behind over the years so I use theirs.
[09:16] <tazgodx> what is an acceptable loss for a 4-way splitter?
[09:17] <gib> I've bought a few and they've replaced them with theirs for no charge because they say they don't trust the quality of most of the ones you find in the stores.
[09:17] <gib> That all depends on how must signal strength you have to begin with.
[09:19] <gib> They don't all meet their own specs though, so you can't really tell which ones are quality unless you talk to someone you uses a lot of them and has experience them.
[09:22] <gib> Some devices need a strong signal too, while others work fine with a weak signal.
[09:22] <gib> Well, I'd better get to bed.  Goodnight.
[09:23] <tazgodx> night
[09:42] <tazgodx> hmmm, am i getting disconnected again?
[09:53] <hugol1> hi mythtv stoped working
[09:54] <hugol1> I had a crash on one of the front-ends
[09:54] <hugol1> I had to stop it using alt+f4
[09:54] <hugol1> since then mythtv was slower
[09:54] <hugol1> and after the second crash, non of the frontends work
[09:55] <hugol1> when I click on watch tv it just goes back to the menu after a few seconds of a black screen
[10:04] <tazgodx> what did you do to make it stop working? change anything?
[10:56] <solarbaby> Ok I reinstalled only to find out that even with a fresh install I still can't record tv shows
[10:57] <solarbaby> I think something is seriously wrong with the new version of Mythbuntu
[10:57] <solarbaby> Bah..
[10:57] <solarbaby> least the remote works
[10:57] <solarbaby> heh
[10:58] <solarbaby> Mythbuntu works so well besides the fact that it doesn't perform any pvr duties
[11:00] <tazgodx> haha
[11:00] <tazgodx> whast the problem?
[11:01] <solarbaby> I can watch live tv just fine..  but when I want to record something it sez its recording and it doesn't record..  so I thought maybe it was a database issue.. so I reinstalled..  naw..  every time its the same thing
[11:01] <solarbaby> sometimes it tells me that the recording was aborted..  I'll go fetch the log right now and paste it up for you if you care to take a look
[11:04] <tazgodx> i take it you just have the 1 tuner?
[11:05] <solarbaby> yup
[11:06] <tazgodx> hmmmm
[11:07] <solarbaby> http://paste-it.net/3947
[11:07] <solarbaby> Im actually getting pretty good with Myth, but I need it to be usable ;)
[11:08] <tazgodx> and if you watch normal TV and hit record what does it say?
[11:08] <solarbaby> It either gives me an error or it doesn't..  in either case..  no recording..  the only way I can get myself an mpg file is to watch live tv
[11:09] <tazgodx> so it does record if you watch live tv...thats weird
[11:09] <solarbaby> since this install is virgin I know I didn't currupt anything
[11:09] <solarbaby> well.. i wouldn't say it records, it just leaves an mpg
[11:09] <solarbaby> it leaves a live tv mpg
[11:10] <tazgodx> yeah
[11:10] <tazgodx> going through a STB?
[11:10] <solarbaby> whats that?
[11:10] <tazgodx> set top box
[11:11] <solarbaby> yup
[11:11] <solarbaby> Im with Dish Network
[11:11] <tazgodx> TVRec(1) Error: Failed to set channel to 356. Reverting to kState_None
[11:11] <tazgodx> guess its ahving a problem changing channels?
[11:12] <solarbaby> yeah, I can't figure why
[11:12] <tazgodx> and you do have a IR Blaster set up? on top of the STB?
[11:13] <solarbaby> I dont.. I do have a USBUIRT though
[11:13] <solarbaby> haven't gotten it to work yet..
[11:14] <tazgodx> well wish i could help ya, your gonna probably have to wait for one of the devs
[11:15] <solarbaby> Yeah.. I figured this is going to be completely crippling.. I appreciate you taking a peck at it
[11:15] <tazgodx> i just stayed at a holiday in express last night, but it didn't help me as much as the commercials tell you it will
[11:15] <solarbaby> hehe
[11:16] <tazgodx> funny part is i seriously did :)
[11:50] <solarbaby> Im gunna try out MythDora now..  maybe their install doesn't have the same issues this one does
[11:51] <solarbaby> I just can't seem to make this one work out, shame too cause Im really fond of it
[12:11] <directhex|work> if you need to use an IR blaster, things get complicated
[12:52] <hugol1> whooohooo!
[12:52] <hugol1> XD
[12:52] <therethinker> What?
[12:52] <hugol1> this wasnt for here :-P
[12:52] <therethinker> ooookkkaaayy...
[12:59] <solarbaby> I've just verified the lack of ability to record in both the new version and the previous version
[01:01] <solarbaby> Maybe by the time Mythbuntu makes its final release it'll be usable
[01:01] <arcticblue> anyone here?
[01:01] <solarbaby> Im eating termites
[01:02] <solarbaby> but im listening
[01:02] <arcticblue> lol
[01:02] <arcticblue> i have a suggestion to give to the mythbuntu team.  is this a good place to do it?
[01:02] <solarbaby> the forum is the best place
[01:02] <arcticblue> k, thanks
[01:03] <solarbaby> most of the team are sleeping or at work
[01:03] <arcticblue> ah, gotcha.
[01:03] <solarbaby> I hang out and eat termites
[01:03] <arcticblue> lol
[01:03] <arcticblue> Im getting ready to eat dinner myself
[01:03] <stevetv> sigh...hi guys.. thinking about a dd
[01:04] <solarbaby> Heya Steve
[01:04] <stevetv> hey solarbaby :-) .. mythbubtu isn't partitioned correctly
[01:04] <solarbaby> stevetv: sadly enough I'll be leaving mythbuntu until a new version comes out..  not being able to record anything really puts a damper on my pvr
[01:04] <stevetv> lol.. that wasnt meant to be an insult
[01:05] <stevetv> record?  works for me?
[01:05] <stevetv> i think...
[01:05] <solarbaby> hahaha really? and really?
[01:05] <arcticblue> I'll be finding out if it works for me here soon.  I had a little bit of trouble with the universe/multiverse repositories a little bit ago
[01:05] <directhex|work> not everyone needs to resort to using a set-top box, generally life is good with dvb-t
[01:05] <solarbaby> tv watching works fine..  even leaves a mpg in the directory.. but if i ask it to record anything it might say it is, or it might even say it can'tl...  in any case.. it never records
[01:05] <stevetv> yeah.. my name is erl seemed to stop a bit early .. but it worked.
[01:06] <directhex|work> solarbaby, how is it changing channel?
[01:07] <solarbaby> I have a Hauppauge 350 Tv Tuner with a SVIDEO Input..  I just run a svideo cord from my Satalite Dish Network Tuner and plug it into TV Card
[01:07] <solarbaby> I dont have any device like a IR blaster to change channels..
[01:07] <directhex|work> solarbaby, then myth won't work
[01:07] <stevetv> 350's appear troublesome
[01:08] <directhex|work> solarbaby, if myth can't change to a channel which is showing the show you want, how is it meant to record it?
[01:08] <solarbaby> myth has no idea it can't change the channel
[01:08] <solarbaby> or does it?
[01:08] <directhex|work> yes it does. hence the error
[01:08] <solarbaby> how silly is that!
[01:08] <directhex|work> the exact error quoted, saying it was unable to change the channel
[01:09] <solarbaby> yeah I did see that error
[01:09] <solarbaby> so in order to use mythtv do I have to purchase a usb device?
[01:09] <solarbaby> I own a USBUIRT if I can make it work somehow
[01:09] <directhex|work> in order to use a PVR, the PVR needs to be able to change to the channel a show is on
[01:10] <solarbaby> kinda..  I used other PVR software that didn't realise it couldn't change the channel, and I set my Satalite box to automaticly tune to the channel at the specified times
[01:11] <directhex|work> if you really want to schedule all your shows twice, which completely defeats the object, then i can think of a dirty hack
[01:11] <directhex|work> a very dirty hack.
[01:11] <solarbaby> I just want it to be useful..  I would love to use my USBUIRT or buy a device that will tune the channel
[01:11] <stevetv> solarbaby.. you can make an ir blaster
[01:11] <directhex|work> you need to tell myth to use a script to change channel. there's a field somewhere you can set the script.
[01:12] <solarbaby> Im downloading Mythdora right now in hopes that that one will work.. but if what you tell me is corrrect..  that one shouldn't work either
[01:12] <directhex|work> if you set the script to /bin/true, i think that should be enough (i.e. myth will run /bin/true somechannelnumber, get back a "no error" response code, and assume the change was successful)
[01:12] <directhex|work> solarbaby, it is absolutely impossible for your setup to work with mythtv (not $some_mythtv_distro) as is
[01:13] <solarbaby> yeah im getting that impression myself
[01:13] <solarbaby> I took a look at an add for an IR Blaster, I dunno where i'd plug that thing in
[01:13] <solarbaby> do they have a USB one?
[01:17] <stevetv> solarbaby... im not entirely sure.  i live in australia, so i only watch dvt-b.  youre fancy cable box is beyond me.. im certain you could buy a usb blaster though
[01:17] <solarbaby> directhex: i'd love to get my hands on that script and a howto
[01:17] <solarbaby> stevetv: ah I see..  glad your not having to deal with this problem
[01:18] <stevetv> lol.. you have a pvr350 right?
[01:18] <solarbaby> yup
[01:18] <solarbaby> be back in a moment
[01:19] <stevetv> you can use the ir blaster that came with that to speak to your cable box
[01:19] <solarbaby> are you certain of that?
[01:19] <stevetv> of course you'd need two.. one for the remote, and one for the cable box.
[01:19] <stevetv> lol.. no
[01:19] <stevetv> http://knoppmythwiki.org/index.php?page=PVR150withSetTopBox
[01:19] <stevetv> is this vaguely related to what you want to do?  ... sorry i might be completely off the mark
[01:19] <solarbaby> my remote for the 350 works fine for controlling mythfrontend :)
[01:20] <solarbaby> I already have a USBUIRT that was ment to be used with the cable box..  but I just dont know how to configure it with myth.. worked great in GBPVR
[01:21] <stevetv> oooooohhhh.. right. well .. that should be easy
[01:22] <stevetv> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/USB-UIRT
[01:22] <stevetv> you need to be confortable with recompiling lirc... but
[01:23] <stevetv> and this... http://www.usbuirt.com/phpBB2/ ... just search for mythtv
[01:23] <propagandhi> has anybody successfully configured the dvico fusion dvb-t nano or the DNTV Live! Tiny Twin USB
[01:27] <solarbaby> Thanks Steve
[01:27] <stevetv> well.. that myth wiki post will need some tweaks.. as its not specifically for ubuntu..
[01:28] <solarbaby> yeah..  I can't believe this is so hard at this stage of mythtv
[01:30] <stevetv> :-) .. post ur solution on the forum, maybe superm1 et al will include ur fix in a later release so its just works at some point
[01:30] <directhex|work> solarbaby, as soon as lirc appears, you take a step back into the dark ages
[01:30] <solarbaby> that'd be great.. I'll make sure to take notes..
[01:43] <stevetv> mondoarchive -OVi -d /myth/backup/mondo -gF -s 4200m -E "/var/lib/mythtv /myth/backup"
[01:44] <stevetv> :-) ... hi.  the above would backup everything right?
[01:52] <stevetv> well.. ill give it a crack and hope it doesn't try to backup my stupidly large video's directory.  im just hopefull that it gets everything except the video's, recordings, etc..
[02:49] <MitoTranin|Work> greetings all...
[02:49] <MitoTranin|Work> everyone have a good weekend?
[02:49] <Wy|laptop> *yawn*
[02:49] <Wy|laptop> I'm not ready to go to work yet
[02:49] <MitoTranin|Work> yeah, I hear ya
[03:05] <bendailey> !pastebin
[03:05] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[03:05] <MitoTranin|Work> $pastebin | bendailey
[03:06] <MitoTranin|Work> $infect bendailey
[03:06] <mythbot> /me takes control of bendailey's computer, formats the hard drive, and installs Windows ME on it.
[03:06] <bendailey> $infect | MitoTranin|Work
[03:06] <mythbot> /me takes control of |'s computer, formats the hard drive, and installs Windows ME on it.
[03:07] <bendailey> sweet a mythbot bug
[03:07] <bendailey> MitoTranin|Work: it doesn't like your name :)
[03:07] <MitoTranin|Work> lol
[03:08] <MitoTranin|Work> I'm immune to your pesky virus!
[03:08] <DaveMorris> $anything
[03:08] <mythbot> Although I didn't know, ubotu says: So, you wanted to lure me into saying I don't know anything about anything? Yeah, that would be funny, of course. Now leave me alone.
[03:08] <MitoTranin|Work> $poke bendailey
[03:08] <mythbot> /me stabs bendailey violently with a rusty spoon
[03:18] <bendailey> $poke MitoTranin|Work
[03:18] <bendailey> mythbot: you home?
[03:49] <bendailey> ping frink_
[03:53] <rhpot1991> hmmmm repo still broken
[04:13] <MitoTranin|Work> rhpot1991: ?
[04:14] <MitoTranin|Work> rhpot1991: which repos are broken, and from when?  I haven't had any problems with them for weeks...
[04:20] <rhpot1991> gutsy repos
[04:20] <MitoTranin|Work> when did they break?
[04:20] <rhpot1991> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[04:20] <rhpot1991>   mythtv-backend-master: Depends: mythtv-database (= 0.20.2-0ubuntu10) but it is not going to be installed
[04:20] <rhpot1991>                          Depends: mythtv-backend (= 0.20.2-0ubuntu10) but it is not going to be installed
[04:21] <rhpot1991> I upgraded last night
[04:21] <rhpot1991> been broken ever since
[04:21] <MitoTranin|Work> I haven't had the proper gutsy installed yet, but I have mythbuntu installed, and the repos were working fine last night...
[04:21] <MitoTranin|Work> that's not broken
[04:21] <MitoTranin|Work> that means you have to do a dist-upgrade
[04:21] <MitoTranin|Work> apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:21] <rhpot1991> let me try that in a second
[04:21] <rhpot1991> normally dist upgrade holds back an update
[04:21] <rhpot1991> this is a broken dependency
[04:22] <MitoTranin|Work> no
[04:22] <rhpot1991> I'll try it as soon as this update is done
[04:22] <MitoTranin|Work> this means the dependancy is being held back because it's from a newer dist
[04:22] <MitoTranin|Work> which, if you do a dist-upgrade, it will then install it
[04:23] <rhpot1991> mythtv isn't installed currently though
[04:23] <rhpot1991> upgrade removed it and I was stupid and let it
[04:30] <rhpot1991> yep, nothing to dist-upgrade
[04:38] <MitoTranin|Work> rhpot1991: is this a backend-only system?
[04:44] <tgm4883> upgrade will only install upgraded packages, not any packages that you don't currently have installed.  dist-upgrade will upgrade you packages and if one of the upgrades has a new dependency that you do not have installed, then it will install that too.
[04:44] <superm1> rhpot1991, gutsy?
[04:44] <superm1> or feisty
[04:44] <superm1> that sounds like gutsy
[04:44] <superm1> and like a mirror hasn't finished syncing for you
[04:44] <tgm4883> if you get held back packages with dist-upgrade, then it is being held back because something it depends on isn't available in the mirror yet
[04:44] <MitoTranin|Work> superm1: he said he upgraded to gutsy, and since then it's broken
[04:45] <superm1> MitoTranin|Work, yeah there was a mythtv update that should be hitting the mirrors today
[04:45] <MitoTranin|Work> my thought was the dist-upgrade should have worked
[04:45] <MitoTranin|Work> but that was before I didn't know it wasn't installed anymore
[04:46] <superm1> MitoTranin|Work, well not until all the packages are available on the mirror
[04:46] <tgm4883> thats why i specifically look at what it is going to uninstall before i upgrade :)
[04:46] <tgm4883> im not really sure why is uninstalled it though
[04:47] <superm1> rhpot1991, did you just make this post in the forums?
[04:47] <superm1> or is that someone else?
[04:48] <bendailey> /
[04:48] <bendailey> sorry wrong screen
[04:55] <pdragon>  this might be a good link to add to mythbot about what bug statuses mean  http://news.launchpad.net/general/of-bugs-and-statuses
[05:32] <tafkaz> updating to 14681
[05:33] <tafkaz> lets hope gl is possible again
[05:35] <tafkaz> why do i have re-put the ip-adress of my backend every time i update..
[05:37] <tgm4883> dhcp?
[05:59] <tafkaz> nope...
[05:59] <tafkaz> static
[06:09] <rhpot1991> sorry guys I disapeared
[06:09] <rhpot1991> its gutsy, master backend + frontend system
[06:10] <rhpot1991> I made posts in the forum in someone else's thread:
[06:10] <rhpot1991> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3536956#post3536956
[06:11] <rhpot1991> I wish I didn't let it uninstall it :(
[06:13] <rhpot1991> is there any easy way to make my 2nd backend record without the master backend being here?
[06:16] <solarbaby> Im killing myself with Lirc
[06:16] <solarbaby> this *IS* too difficult
[06:18] <DaveMorris> rhpot1991: no the backend controls it all (Seems kinda like Tron)
[06:18] <DaveMorris> solarbaby: whats the problem, someone here might be able to help you out
[06:19] <DaveMorris> even if they aren't here now, they can read it when they come back to here
[06:19] <solarbaby> The problem is..  Im not experienced enough to figure out whats missing and why its not working :)
[06:19] <DaveMorris> are you following a guide?
[06:19] <solarbaby> about 4
[06:20] <solarbaby> none of them are quite right
[06:20] <solarbaby> I didn't compile it myself though.. so maybe thats where I went wrong.. as I understand it theres no need to compile but I could be wrong
[06:20] <solarbaby> I am running the newest version
[06:22] <DaveMorris> you tried following https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV/Install/Gutsy/Whats_next#head-4f90f24d45db6914dab6c83d3a5fa0286f7407a6 ?
[06:22] <DaveMorris> rhpot1991: how did you upgrade?  apt-get dist-upgrade or apt-get upgrade?
[06:23] <rhpot1991> ran the distribution upgrade
[06:23] <rhpot1991> update-manager -d
[06:24] <rhpot1991> I seem to have the feisty weekly builds in my apt archives
[06:24] <rhpot1991> I'm trying to install them now
[06:26] <solarbaby> Im gunna have to punch my brother in the head for not learning linux and helping me like a big brother should
[06:27] <rhpot1991> whew
[06:27] <rhpot1991> got the backend back up
[06:30] <DaveMorris> rhpot1991: can you pastebin your /etc/apt/source.list file please
[06:30] <DaveMorris> !pastebin
[06:30] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:30] <rhpot1991> sure
[06:30] <MitoTranin|Work> DaveMorris: Just to note: he's not using mythbuntu, he is using standard feisty + mythtv upgraded to standard gutsy + mythtv
[06:31] <DaveMorris> solarbaby: I suggest you hang around for laga, superm1 since they know alot more about lirc than myself
[06:31] <rhpot1991> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40712/
[06:31] <solarbaby> DaveMorris: will do..  I dont think I'll suceed with out them
[06:31] <DaveMorris> MitoTranin|Work: thanks, I kinda knew since he had done a sit upgrade :)
[06:34] <DaveMorris> rhpot1991: I just tried a update-manager -d on my machine and it only wanted to upgrade 28 packages, can you see what a normal upgrade wants to upgrade?  Since when I upgraded my laptop it went fine
[06:35] <rhpot1991> says it is up to date
[06:35] <DaveMorris> weired
[06:35] <rhpot1991> it went fine on my laptop a few days ago as awell
[06:35] <rhpot1991> I have been running apt and updating from time to time to see if its worked out
[06:35] <rhpot1991> I just dpkg'd in my old debs so my backend is at least running for now
[06:36] <DaveMorris> I'll install feisty on a machine tomorrow then upgrade and see what happens, what mythtv packages have you got installed?
[06:36] <rhpot1991> its just a dependency issue it seems
[06:37] <rhpot1991> if you were to remove the packages then go to reinstall it would break, unless apt grabbed them from cache (not sure if it does that)
[06:37] <rhpot1991> currently 0.20.2+fixes14650-0ubuntu0~mythbuntu1_all.deb
[06:37] <rhpot1991> from the mythbuntu weekly builds
[06:37] <rhpot1991> last working packages before the upgrade
[06:38] <MitoTranin|Work> rhpot1991: did you do an apt-get update before you tried to upgrade?
[06:38] <rhpot1991> yep
[06:38] <rhpot1991> made sure it was up to date
[06:38] <MitoTranin|Work> the only way it would use an old cache is if you didn't do that...
[06:38] <rhpot1991> on an unrelated problem Xvnc doesn't seem to work anymore either :(
[06:39] <MitoTranin|Work> my vnc works fine
[06:39] <MitoTranin|Work> have you considered using mythbuntu instead of standard gutsy?
[06:39] <rhpot1991> I had a heck of a time getting it to work yesterday and I suspect it is taking over x when I vnc in now, as Xvnc isn't being spawned
[06:39] <MitoTranin|Work> you can try to install it if you want to without a reinstall via apt-get install mythbuntu-desktop
[06:39] <rhpot1991> I like to be able to vnc in and let the frontend still run on the tv
[06:40] <rhpot1991> I have the control centre installed now
[06:40] <MitoTranin|Work> then you're wanting it to run the vnc as a separate console
[06:40] <rhpot1991> I used Xvnc and gdm to do that before, worked fine
[06:41] <rhpot1991> still works on another backend, but the exact same setup here doesn't spawn any Xvnc processes
[06:41] <rhpot1991> I saw people complaining about it not working in the forums, maybe it will get worked out
[06:41] <MitoTranin|Work> check the log, maybe something's broken itself during the update
[06:42] <rhpot1991> I didn't see anything that lead me to any problems
[06:42] <rhpot1991> aldo hard to test without having my frontend running
[09:14] (superm1_/#ubuntu-mythtv) oh so you setup vnc as in on display :1
[09:14] (superm1_/#ubuntu-mythtv) and such
[09:14] (rhpot1991/#ubuntu-mythtv) ya
[09:15] (rhpot1991/#ubuntu-mythtv) I have seen a few different ways to do it, I might have to try another as my current way isn't spawning any Xvnc processes, just jumping to the current display
[09:15] <rob-e> im baack
[09:16] (rhpot1991/#ubuntu-mythtv) btw mytbuntu control centre is nice
[09:16] <rhpot1991> too bad it wasn't around when I first set up my boxes
[09:16] <rob-e> what do i have to do to watch youtube on mythtv?
[09:16] <tazgodx> haha, rob-e ive been working on that myself
[09:16] <rob-e> o rly?
[09:17] <rhpot1991> someone was using fx to do that in here not too long ago
[09:17] <tazgodx> fx?
[09:17] <rhpot1991> and set up alt+F4 to be a remote button to exit
[09:17] <rhpot1991> firefox
[09:17] <tazgodx> oh, yeah. that was probably me
[09:17] <superm1_> you can spawn FF via mythbrowser actually
[09:17] <tazgodx> i set up mythtv to use firefox for my browser, and working on setting up the remote next
[09:18] <superm1_> perhaps then mapping the power button to send a SIGTERM to any firefox processes is a clean way to have it exit
[09:18] <rob-e> dang, so mythtv sucks for youtube?
[09:18] <rhpot1991> superm1_ checkbox for daily database repairs, is that just a crontab?
[09:19] <tazgodx> rob-e: basically
[09:19] <rob-e> damnit, that was half the reason i installed it
[09:19] <superm1_> rob-e, well i think that trunk is introducing better support for mythbrowser though
[09:19] <superm1_> so for now, yeah it's not the ideal way to go
[09:19] <superm1_> personally i just keep all my tv internet browsing to the wii
[09:20] <rob-e> ...rich
[09:21] <rhpot1991> they just updated wii internet, you can use a usb keyboard now
[09:21] <rob-e> well now what?
[09:21] <rob-e> isnt there a way to use xbox media center for that?
[09:22] <superm1_> rhpot1991, yeah its so much nicer with usb keyboard support now.
[09:22] <rhpot1991> I heard there were python scripts to let xbmc connect to mythtv
[09:22] <rob-e> yeah i saw somewhere hot to use the xbox as the frontend
[09:22] <rhpot1991> I'd be tempted to try it if I didn't have 2 backends and no where to put another frontend
[09:22] <superm1_> rob-e, rhpot1991: yeah there are some xbmc scripts for connecting to mythtv, but there are some workarounds you need to use for them i think with the current version
[09:22] <superm1_> someone was in here the other day
[09:22] <superm1_> trying to get them going and having some trouble
[09:23] <rhpot1991> I think they were having problems with mythtv in general
[09:23] <rhpot1991> not just that part of it
[09:23] <superm1_> rob-e: really using FF isn't that bad when its spawned out of mythbrowser though.  You just set it to go full screen using the fullscreen extension, and then if you have an easy way to quit with remote, it's usable
[09:23] <superm1_> rhpot1991: they were only having issues from their xbox
[09:23] <rhpot1991> ah ok
[09:23] <superm1_> i got them to boot a mythbuntu disk on another machine
[09:24] <superm1_> and connect remotely in live frontend mode
[09:24] <superm1_> with no issues
[09:24] <rob-e> but still, i was expecting something like appletv
[09:24] <rhpot1991> I should try softmoding my xbox at some point, it hasn't been used in about a year now
[09:24] <rob-e> where u located <rhpot1991>?
[09:24] <rhpot1991> us.archive.ubuntu.com is nice and slow
[09:24] <rhpot1991> PA
[09:25] <rob-e> o, otherwise i would do it for ya
[09:25] <rhpot1991> is it hard?
[09:25] <rob-e> no
[09:25] <rhpot1991> I've seen (old) directions that required you to have certain games to do it
[09:25] <rob-e> just buy splinter cell, and action replay
[09:25] <rhpot1991> where you exploited a buffer overlow then ftp'd in
[09:25] <rob-e> yeah
[09:26] <rhpot1991> is it worth it?
[09:26] <rob-e> yeah, totally, you can run emulators, it gives you access to the 4.something gig hard drive
[09:26] <rob-e> play backuped games
[09:27] <rhpot1991> I messed with making my wiimote work with my mythbox for emulators a while back
[09:27] <rhpot1991> had it working but then I got bored and never went any further
[09:27] <rob-e> yeah, my plan was to have a wiimote as my mouse
[09:28] <rhpot1991> the c version of the driver actually let your use the classic controller dongle
[09:28] <rhpot1991> perl(or was it pyton) one didn't
[09:28] <rhpot1991> python that is
[09:28] <rhpot1991> this was as of a few months ago though, may have changed since then
[09:28] <rob-e> well i gotta get some lunch thanks for the help
[10:02] <therethinker> $hello
[10:02] <mythbot> Welcome to #Ubuntu-mythtv.  Please state your question or comment.
[10:02] <MitoTranin> $poke therethinker
[10:02] <mythbot> /me stabs therethinker violently with a rusty spoon
[10:03] <therethinker> :D
[10:03] <MitoTranin> therethinker: pipes kill it
[10:03] <MitoTranin> $infect directhex|work
[10:03] <therethinker> it doesn't KILL it
[10:03] <MitoTranin> #poke directhex|work
[10:03] <therethinker> $mcc
[10:03] <mythbot> Mythbuntu Control Centre - a admin panel for MythTV - Created and maintained by the mythbuntu team. http://www.mythbuntu.org/about
[10:03] <MitoTranin> $poke directhex|work
[10:03] <therethinker> the reason why it doesn't work
[10:03] <therethinker> STOP
[10:04] <MitoTranin> when it happened earlier, it said |'s eye
[10:04] <MitoTranin> etc
[10:04] <therethinker> the reason why it won't work is because there's a halfworking feature
[10:04] <therethinker> like you know how ubotu can do
[10:04] <therethinker> !test | MitoTranin
[10:04] <ubotu> MitoTranin: Failed.
[10:04] <MitoTranin> I'm a failure!?!  :(
[10:05] <therethinker> Yeah
[10:22] <therethinker> Ah ha! Mythbot reigns supreme to ubotu!
[10:22] <therethinker> $poke ubotu
[10:23] <therethinker> Oh wait, He's not there!
[10:25] <pdragon> therethinker: did you say there was a way to add stuff to mythbot?
[10:26] <therethinker> yeah
[10:26] <therethinker> But it's a privilege ;-)
[10:26] <pdragon> ahh ok :)
[10:27] <pdragon> http://news.launchpad.net/general/of-bugs-and-statuses    thought that might be a useful link to add
[10:27] <therethinker> $poke ubotu
[11:18] <therethinker> .seen laga
[11:18] <therethinker> $hello
[11:19] <therethinker> .seen laga
[11:19] <mythbot> Sorry, I haven't seen laga around.
[11:19] <therethinker> .seen therethinker
[11:19] <mythbot> therethinker: I last saw therethinker at 2007-10-15 21:19:01 UTC on #ubuntu-mythtv
[11:23] <directhex> .seen the light
[11:23] <mythbot> Sorry, I haven't seen the around.
[11:23] <directhex> aw, nearly :(
[11:32] <superm1_> .seen superm1_
[11:32] <mythbot> Sorry, I haven't seen superm1_ around.
[11:32] <superm1_> i'm right here!
[11:32] <superm1_> silly bot
[11:32] <superm1_> .seen superm1
[11:32] <mythbot> Sorry, I haven't seen superm1 around.
[11:32] <foxbuntu> .seen foxbuntu
[11:32] <mythbot> Sorry, I haven't seen foxbuntu around.
[11:32] <superm1_> he's here too....
[11:32] <foxbuntu> hi mythbot
[11:32] <mythbot> Hey foxbuntu.
[11:32] <superm1_> okay well therethinker i think your bot needs glasses
[11:32] <foxbuntu> .seen foxbuntu
[11:32] <mythbot> foxbuntu: I last saw foxbuntu at 2007-10-15 21:32:50 UTC on #ubuntu-mythtv
[11:33] <foxbuntu> superm1_, you have to ack the bot
[11:33] <therethinker> superm1_; what?
[11:33] <superm1_> i asked him if he saw me, and he said he didn't
[11:33] <therethinker> Oh
[11:33] <superm1_> .seen superm1_
[11:33] <mythbot> superm1_: I last saw superm1_ at 2007-10-15 21:33:31 UTC on #ubuntu-mythtv
[11:33] <superm1_> oh of course. now he does.
[11:33] <superm1_> i see how it is
[11:33] <therethinker> I gave him contacts
[11:33] <therethinker> .seen superm1
[11:33] <mythbot> Sorry, I haven't seen superm1 around.
[11:33] <therethinker> .seen superm1_
[11:34] <mythbot> therethinker: I last saw superm1_ at 2007-10-15 21:33:48 UTC on #ubuntu-mythtv
[11:34] <therethinker> hmm
[11:34] <superm1_> okay well i'm going.  cya guys.
[11:34] <foxbuntu> later
[12:01] <tazgodx> if i have multiple inputs how do i pick which input i want to watch?
[12:22] <Tari_> it's based on priority
[12:22] <Tari_> I'm not sure if you can manually select an input
[12:24] <MitoTranin> anyone here use a network storage location to store your mythtv recordings?
[12:29] <MitoTranin> Tari_: you have to be able to, so that you can watch the different inputs via LiveTV
[12:30] <MitoTranin> tazgodx: I've never used multiple inputs before, but does it work like a standard tv/vcr where the inputs show up as a channel perhaps?
[12:30] <MitoTranin> either that, or there is probably a button/command to toggle through them...
[12:30] <MitoTranin> try the tv/vcr button on your remote to see if that will toggle through them
[01:03] <tazgodx> i think mythbuntu needs a better LIRCRC for the Hauppauge_350
[01:16] <superm1> yeah someone should have reported that a lot sooner!
[01:16] <superm1> its too bad now :(