[01:36] <Ger> for some reason I can not install lts 10.04 i have one 19gig empty one partition harddrive there is nothing on it and when I run ubuntu cd live it say this computer has only 0 bytes disk space remaining please help
[01:37] <Ger> I also got other codes
[01:39] <Ger> any one here able to help
[01:39] <pedro3005> hello Ger
[01:39] <Ger> hi
[01:39] <pedro3005> so, when you open up Grub it shows nothing?
[01:40] <Ger> have not oped grub
[01:40] <Ger> opened
[01:41] <Ger> I tried reformating harddrive with win xp then install on top no luck
[01:41] <pedro3005> err, I mean GParted
[01:41] <pedro3005> :X
[01:41] <Ger> I deleted win have a clean harddrive went to partition editor and made one partition
[01:42] <pedro3005> yes
[01:42] <pedro3005> did it create the partition?
[01:42] <Ger> I created one partition
[01:42] <Ger> no partion
[01:43] <pedro3005> is the disk mounted?
[01:43] <Ger> the harddrive is seen on top as 19 gig
[01:43] <Ger> i unmounted
[01:43] <_CommandeR_> Hi guys, question does ubuntu partitioner aligt partitions properly ?
[01:44] <Ger> why would it show up as 0 bytes disk space remaining
[01:44] <pedro3005> what type of partition is it?
[01:44] <pedro3005> file system
[01:44] <Ger> ?
[01:44] <pedro3005> what's the file system?
[01:44] <Ger> ntfs
[01:44] <pedro3005> format it to ext4
[01:45] <Ger> it was that i changed it to ext 2 nothing worked
[01:45] <pedro3005> when you start the ubuntu installer, have you tried selecting "use entire disk"?
[01:46] <Ger> I tried both
[01:46] <Ger> install to harddrive and live
[01:46] <pedro3005> are you accessing from the same computer?
[01:47] <Ger> no
[01:47] <pedro3005> ok, so is it on the live cd?
[01:48] <Ger> I can get their but it is not on now
[01:48] <pedro3005> please do
[01:48] <Ger> i have used it on the live cd very slow with trailing cursor
[01:48] <pedro3005> is it a PC or a laptop?
[01:48] <Ger> problem is only one screen
[01:49] <Ger> pc
[01:49] <pedro3005> what graphics card?
[01:49] <_CommandeR_> pedro3005, do you know if the ubuntu partition creator aligns the partition correctly to the harddrive so it will be splitted on even blocks ?
[01:49] <Ger> i would have to find out
[01:50] <Ger> how do I do that
[01:50] <pedro3005> _CommandeR_, I think you may set it to do so
[01:50] <pedro3005> Ger, lspci
[01:50] <Ger> I am lost
[01:51] <Ger> winxp installed no problem i deleted it and formated
[01:52] <pedro3005> so let's go step by step
[01:52] <pedro3005> when you boot ubuntu and select live CD
[01:52] <pedro3005> is it slow?
[01:52] <Ger> I had earlier version of ubuntu on maching6.06
[01:52] <Ger> yes very
[01:52] <pedro3005> hm...
[01:53] <pedro3005> Ger, would you happen to know your computer specs?
[01:53] <Ger> 6.o6 i did upgrades on line up to 8.ver and they ran good
[01:54] <pedro3005> Ger, I mean how much RAM, processor, etc
[01:54] <Ger> the system requirements are ok my ram is small 330
[01:54] <pedro3005> you are attempting to install 10.04?
[01:54] <Ger> i have over 256
[01:55] <Ger> yes from disk when I tried on line I could not do it so I ordered disk
[01:56] <Ger> could it be mother board bug
[01:57] <Ger> dell pc
[01:57] <Ger> about 9years old
[01:58] <Ger> pedro you still there
[01:58] <pedro3005> Ger, you see, the recommended RAM for 10.04 is 512 MB. Now, you may be able to run it with less, but you'd need to do some modifications
[01:59] <pedro3005> first, you can try using the alternate install CD. and I would advise to use something other than GNOME
[01:59] <Ger> I have the disk in front of me and it say 256 ram
[01:59] <Ger> how would I do that
[02:00] <pedro3005> Ger, does your PC have a model number or something?
[02:00] <Ger> yes
[02:00] <pedro3005> which is it?
[02:00] <Ger> dell dimension xps t600
[02:01] <Ger> intel pentium3
[02:01] <Ger> i have been at this for hours
[02:02] <pedro3005> Does anyone here know if 10.04 can run under 256 mb and 600 MHz?
[02:02] <Ger> I got other codes when I tried to install to harddrive
[02:03] <pedro3005> what do you mean by codes?
[02:04] <Ger> ubi-partman failed with exit code 10
[02:05] <Ger> futher inormation may be found in /var/log/syslog
[02:06] <Ger> i closed that one then another opened ubi-console setupfailed with the exit code 1
[02:08] <pedro3005> Ger, you can attempt to use the solutions provided here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1498417
[02:09] <pedro3005> namely, "By changing the F6 Other ... at the initial screen, to nodmraid the problem was overcome."
[02:11] <sebsebseb> oh more people in here than I thought there would be
[02:11] <Ger> should I hit a f6 at the first screen when it asks which install I want
[02:11] <zkriesse> hello sebsebseb again!
[02:11] <sebsebseb> zkriesse: yeah hi
[02:11] <pedro3005> Ger, yeah, I believe that's it
[02:11] <Ger> that is a hidden menu
[02:12] <pedro3005> you need to add the option "nodmraid"
[02:12] <Ger> where and when
[02:12] <pedro3005> sebsebseb, it is populated but mainly much quieter than #ubuntu
[02:12] <sebsebseb> pedro3005: yeah and not as known
[02:12] <pedro3005> Ger, when you hit F6 at the menu
[02:13] <Ger> which menu
[02:13] <pedro3005> the boot menu
[02:13] <Ger> where i pick to live cd or harddrive install
[02:13] <pedro3005> yeah, that one
[02:15] <Ger> it does not say anything about f6 there iwas looking how to get to other install I read about textmode install but do not know where to find it or how to do it
[02:16] <pedro3005> Ger, wait a moment please
[02:17] <sebsebseb> pedro3005: Do you help out in here?  Or just here at the moment for support?
[02:17] <pedro3005> I'm a member
[02:17] <pedro3005> so, always here
[02:17] <sebsebseb> oh I didn't know you did Ubuntu support, well now I do then :D
[02:18] <sebsebseb> so this is mainly a support channel or what?  I notice from the wiki their are a few others.   and then the forums has its beginers channel as well or whatever.  uh so many Ubuntu channels
[02:19] <pedro3005> this exact channel is for ubuntu support
[02:19] <sebsebseb> well not much good really, when most of the noobs don't even know about it?
[02:21] <pedro3005> Ger, ok, help me out here. When you boot ubuntu, what are the options it gives at the initial screen?
[02:21] <sebsebseb> I guess this channel can be used sometimes, when newbies want a smaller channel for support in
[02:21] <Ger> only two install to harddrive or live cd
[02:22] <sebsebseb> Ger: What are you trying to do,  install Ubuntu?
[02:22] <Ger> it says something about running alongside another os
[02:22] <sebsebseb> pedro3005: So you help out in here quite a bit or?  and since #ubuntu is to busy for you?
[02:22] <pedro3005> sebsebseb, yeah I'm not normally even on #ubuntu
[02:23] <sebsebseb> I am, but its not really the best channel for beginners,  very busy
[02:23] <sebsebseb> normally the issues that people are having there, will look  complex to newbies, which could put them off, Ubuntu as well
[02:23] <pedro3005> Ger, if you press F6, nothing happens at all?
[02:23] <duanedesign> you can press e i think it is at grub screen to set biit options
[02:24] <pedro3005> duanedesign, this is on the LiveCD though
[02:24] <duanedesign> *boot
[02:24] <pedro3005> so no GRUB, I think
[02:24] <Ger> I will try it but it is not offered
[02:24] <duanedesign> ohh
[02:25] <Ger> my old 6.06 offeed different options at startup
[02:25] <Ger> offered
[02:25] <pedro3005> I mean, according to this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynx/ReleaseNotes#Dmraid%20active%20by%20default%20on%20Desktop%20CD , F6 should work
[02:26] <sebsebseb> pedro3005: Why are some of the people voiced?
[02:26] <pedro3005> sebsebseb, members of the team
[02:26] <Ger> you think I can do it with the old ver 6.06
[02:26] <sebsebseb> oh
[02:26] <pedro3005> Ger, wait, I figured it out
[02:26] <duanedesign> f6 did not work?
[02:27] <sebsebseb> pedro3005: well I am not so sure, what the team is, from the wki
[02:27] <pedro3005> ok, when you boot, press F6.. you should see a screen with "Try ubuntu without installing" amongst other stuff
[02:27] <pedro3005> press F6 again, a drop down menu should appear. use the keys and navigate to nodmraid
[02:27] <sebsebseb> pedro3005: already only seen main page so far
[02:28] <sebsebseb> pedro3005: ok lets chat in the other channel then
[02:28] <Ger> after I click nodmraid what should I do
[02:29] <pedro3005> Ger, is it booting?
[02:29] <Ger> I will try it give me a few min I have to change machines
[02:30] <Ger> if I loose you will you be here tomorrow
[02:33] <pedro3005> Ger, sure
[02:33] <Ger> it worked i highlighted it
[02:34] <Ger> i hit enter and nothing how do i get it to run
[02:34] <pedro3005> Ger, it went to a black screen?
[02:35] <pedro3005> oh
[02:35] <pedro3005> ok
[02:35] <pedro3005> You press enter at nodmraid
[02:35] <Ger> I hit the f6 window open in lower right courner with a few thing i click on nomraid then what
[02:35] <pedro3005> it should have a cross in it
[02:35] <pedro3005> then you press ESC
[02:35] <pedro3005> and install ubuntu
[02:36] <Ger> give me afew min\
[02:38] <Ger> it won't run
[02:39] <Ger> the window is not in color black and white when i hit enter acpi get an x in front of it it is the first item
[02:40] <Ger> esc closed the small window
[02:40] <pedro3005> right, now run "Install Ubuntu"
[02:41] <Ger> ok
[02:41] <Ger> be back
[02:42] <Ger> do i want acpt with an x or no x
[02:42] <Ger> acpt
[02:42] <Ger> acpi
[02:42] <Ger> acpi=off
[02:44] <pedro3005> Ger, no, only mark nodmraid
[02:47] <cprofitt> anyone know how to make a ram disk in Linux?
[02:48] <stlsaint> cprofitt: i know how to format a blank disk in linux! :D
[02:48] <cprofitt> hello Sary
[02:48] <cprofitt> yeah this person wants to take some of their ram and turn it in to a disk
[02:48] <cprofitt> they are in #ubuntu-us
[02:49] <stlsaint> cprofitt: what does -us do?
[02:49] <cprofitt> it is a channel for all -us teams
[02:49] <stlsaint> cprofitt: as in loco teams?
[02:50] <cprofitt> yes
[02:50] <stlsaint> oh
[02:54] <cprofitt> thanks for checking it out
[03:30] <armorsmith42> if I were looking to point a student at an irc channel for people learning to use the terminal, would this be it?
[03:30] <zkriesse> armorsmith42: yes
[03:31] <armorsmith42> mmk, I wasn't sure if it was more geared toward people using the GUI stuff or not.
[03:34] <zkriesse> armorsmith42: it's a team dedicated to help the new users
[03:34] <zkriesse> armorsmith42: so both really
[03:35] <xiaogui> Hi, does anyone here living in China? I'm wondering how i could get around of the GFW and be able to get access to Youtube
[03:35] <xiaogui> like using proxy?
[03:42] <stlsaint> search synaptic for proxies
[03:43] <armorsmith42> Please note that #ubuntu-beginners is not a lawyer and cannot be respondsible if you end up in jail or worse.
[03:46] <stlsaint> xiaogui: are you in china?
[03:46] <xiaogui> en, actually, i'm Chinese. :)
[03:47] <stlsaint> so is that a yes to living in china?
[03:49] <xiaogui> sorry, yes
[03:49] <stlsaint> ok, well you will know the internet censorship laws better than i and i thin proxies may be blocked by govt
[03:50] <xiaogui> yeah, it used to work but not now, so i'm trying to find another way
[03:50] <armorsmith42> there is also tor. http://www.torproject.org/ please be careful
[03:51] <stlsaint> xiaogui: if it doesnt work theres probably a reason for it
[03:51] <xiaogui> thanks, i'll have a look :)
[03:51] <xiaogui> and the reason is it's blocked... :-(
[03:54] <xiaogui> Funny, i don't have access to http://www.torproject.org/   :\
[03:55] <yax51> hello
[03:56] <stlsaint> yax51: yes
[03:56] <sebsebseb> xiaogui: of course you don't
[03:57] <yax51> I jst updated to ubuntu 10.04 and now my sound doesn't work and I can't remember how to set it up again
[03:57] <sebsebseb> xiaogui: By the way I can go on  Youtube if I want to, but its a site that I hardly ever go on, and  would live quite happily without :)
[03:58] <xiaogui> If there's anything i don't like China, it's the internet control by the gov.  :(
[03:59] <xiaogui> sebsebseb: U don't live in China, do you?
[03:59] <sebsebseb> xiaogui: nope
[04:00] <stlsaint> yax51: best i can give ya: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=205449&highlight=sound+troubleshoot
[04:00] <yax51> thanks!
[04:00] <xiaogui> but don't get me wrong, i love my country, just not the internet here.
[04:00] <stlsaint> doctormo: what brings you round these parts? ;)
[04:00] <doctormo> xiaogui: Where?
[04:01] <sebsebseb> xiaogui: Maybe one day you can move to a country where Youtube isn't blocked.  I woudn't recommend trying to get round something, that your goverment has set up,  even if you don't agree with it.
[04:01] <xiaogui> doctormo: ?
[04:01] <doctormo> sipherdee: I was drugged and kidnapped by paultag on a trip around Boston.
[04:01] <stlsaint> doctormo: tab fail :D
[04:02] <stlsaint> doctormo: and we are referring to china
[04:02] <sebsebseb> xiaogui: Also recently  Google and China had problems,  which is probably partly the reason for why Youtube is blocked.
[04:02] <sebsebseb> xiaogui: Since Google own Youtube
[04:03] <doctormo> sebsebseb: Well civil disobedience has it's place so long as the person conducting it understands the risks and reasons. America would never have been free of British rule without it.
[04:03] <xiaogui> sebsebseb: i'd really love to experience a different life outside of China, but i can't afford that at the moment. I just graduated in June.
[04:04] <stlsaint> doctormo: china is quite different in reacting to civil disobedience
[04:05] <xiaogui> Away(preparing for lunch)
[04:05] <doctormo> stlsaint: More different than public hanging, flogging, being shipped to Australia or just shot?
[04:05] <stlsaint> doctormo: aye, but all behind closed doors
[04:05] <doctormo> stlsaint: I
[04:06] <stlsaint> doctormo: thanks for bit on user day!
[04:06] <doctormo> stlsaint: I'll give you that the British didn't mind doing their flogging in the open, still I say if you know the risks it's your own free choice to not-cooperate Ghandi style.
[04:06] <doctormo> yvw
[04:07] <stlsaint> doctormo: i would agree with most situations but i feel that china would be highly intolerant to ghandi!
[04:10] <yax51> great sound works....but not the headphone jack, but there doesn't seem to be anything about configuring that here....
[04:12] <doctormo> stlsaint: It wasn't just ghandi you know, he did have the spiritual pride of his country and lots of people who were killed too. I don't like China either, but I think in the west we've become far too attached to safety over freedom in terms of government. Although I believe the culture in China is very different from India so it's probably not the same thought there.
[04:12] <stlsaint> yax51: sorry i couldnt be of more help
[04:12] <yax51> no no no it was very helpful....at least I have sound again...
[04:12] <stlsaint> doctormo: im in the Army...i dont put too much above freedom
[04:12] <yax51> butat least you sent me to the right place to look and for that I am grateful
[04:13] <stlsaint> yax51: :D glad to help
[04:13] <doctormo> stlsaint: which one?
[04:14] <stlsaint> doctormo: Army
[04:15] <doctormo> stlsaint: There is more than one, or are you a UN peace keeper / something centralised like in starship troppers?
[04:16] <stlsaint> doctormo: oh sorry, no im in the U.S Army
[04:16] <doctormo> stlsaint: Ah, I know plenty of people who went into the Royal battalions in the British Army, so you never know.
[04:16] <mohi1> stlsaint, peace =]
[04:16] <stlsaint> doctormo: nice
[04:17] <stlsaint> mohi1: :)
[04:18] <mohi1> stlsaint, sup?
[04:22] <commander_> anyone here?
[04:22] <armorsmith42> yes
[04:22] <stlsaint> sup
[04:22] <stlsaint> doctormo: hey how does one get rss feed from your site?
[04:23] <doctormo> stlsaint: Which site? doctormo.org?
[04:23] <commander_> sup guys, I am middle in my installation of kubuntu and well it ask or begs for a swap partition during install
[04:24] <stlsaint> commander_: you must be setting your partitions manually yes?
[04:24] <commander_> may I assign a swap partition after the installation? Because i want to secure erase my raid array and then if i need add swap on that drive.
[04:24] <commander_> stlsaint, ye
[04:24] <commander_> Got an SSD so swap on it would not be optimal
[04:24] <Scunizi> commander_: swap doesn't need to be huge.. 1 gig.. or 2x of ram but no more than 4 gig
[04:24] <commander_> yes but several rights and reads would wear the SSD
[04:25] <commander_> writes*
[04:25] <Scunizi> true.. can you carve a little out of another drive?
[04:25] <stlsaint> commander_: what are you installing on?
[04:25] <commander_> installing root and home on SSD
[04:25] <commander_> got 4gb of ram, but dunno if it is enough.
[04:26] <stlsaint> commander_: i meant what type of system?
[04:26] <commander_> PC?
[04:26] <Scunizi> home gets more action than swap does in most cases
[04:26] <stlsaint> commander_: yes
[04:27] <commander_> stlsaint, want to know the system spec or ?
[04:27] <Scunizi> he might mean file system type
[04:27] <commander_> well gonna have Ext4 on it.
[04:27] <commander_> for now it is a non partitioned drive.
[04:27] <stlsaint> commander_: just what kind of system/(notebook, laptop IE; hp pavillion dv6000 or whatever)
[04:28] <stlsaint> or is it a netbook?
[04:29] <commander_> normal PC, Asus m4a79t deluxe motherboard, with Radeon 5970, 2xWestern Digital Raptor 150 Drives raid 0, 1tb WD caviar drive and Corsair Force120 SSD
[04:30] <commander_> would not dare to install kde on a netbook :P
[04:30] <Scunizi> there is a version for them
[04:30] <commander_> rmx ?
[04:30] <stlsaint> commander_: why may i ask are you wanting to installing / and swap to a ssd?
[04:30] <commander_> root?
[04:30] <Scunizi> commander_: if you're going to zero out the raid array anyway.. I think you can do that from a live cd...
[04:31] <commander_> well swap i want to avoid installing on my ssd and then maybe install it, if I have to on my raid drive
[04:32] <stlsaint> commander_: how big you say that ssd is?
[04:32] <commander_> 120GB
[04:32] <commander_> or GiB not sure.
[04:33] <stlsaint> alright there are some ups and down to it....for starters you probably WONT want to use ext filesystem due to excessive writes
[04:33] <stlsaint> now im no expert on the subject so of course google will be our friend
[04:33] <commander_> hm heard that ext4 have trim support
[04:34] <commander_> also that i should have the command -notime so it would not write datestamps or something
[04:35] <stlsaint> commander_: what issue are you having? or are you asking for advice?
[04:35] <commander_> stlsaint, noatime in fstab,
[04:35] <yax51> hey what was that link for sound issues again?
[04:36] <stlsaint> yax51: best i can give ya: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=205449&highlight=sound+troubleshoot
[04:36] <commander_> stlsaint, well if I can make a swap drive after installation on another drive, and if I have to when I got 4B of ram
[04:36] <yax51> thanks
[04:36] <stlsaint> commander_: swap does NOT pull from your ram (jfyi)
[04:37] <stlsaint> commander_: why would you need two swap partitions? just put it on whatever drive you ultimately want it on
[04:37] <stlsaint> commander_: if you installing on drive A and later want it on drive B than you can delete swapA and create swapB with livecd
[04:37] <duanedesign> als o if you do use ext3/4 you can limit disk writes with a guide like this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=839998
[04:38] <stlsaint> duanedesign: i had that guide, was waiting to paste it :D
[04:38] <stlsaint> commander_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=839998
[04:39] <commander_> stlsaint, I wont create 2 swap spaces, so far i manually did a partition for / with 8GB and /home 10GB then when i continued the installer ask if I am sure not to add a swap drive because it makes better use of the RAM when there is one.
[04:40] <stlsaint> commander_: correct, a base install will require a root partition and a swap partition, a seperate /home is not mandatory
[04:40] <stlsaint> commander_: may i ask why you are only using 10gb for home when you have 1tb drive? unless you have seperate "data" drive
[04:41] <commander_> the 1tb drive is one big partition and almost full :)
[04:41] <commander_> stlsaint, the tb drive will be a data drive.
[04:42] <stlsaint> commander_: just some advice,  8gb should be plenty for root but 10gb for home, you may run out of space rather quickly
[04:43] <commander_> stlsaint, but home is more likely for settings etc. most of my data would be on my raid array. Or so i thought.
[04:43] <stlsaint> doctormo: ping
[04:43] <stlsaint> doctormo: did you catch my rss feed question?
[04:46] <commander_> stlsaint, what do you think ?
[04:47] <stlsaint> commander_: really its up to you and your drive space that you have
[04:47] <stlsaint> commander_: for instance i have a 200gb drive on lappy....
[04:48] <stlsaint> i dual boot two linux flavors...30gb goes to one distro and the rest to ubuntu
[04:48] <stlsaint> i give 15gb to root, 2gb swap and the rest to home
[04:48] <duanedesign> stlsaint: there is also this thread by sdennie on the same topic (power saving/reduce disk activity) http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=847773
[04:48] <stlsaint> oh sorry and i give 200mb to /boot :D
[04:48] <stlsaint> duanedesign: yep, got that one too ;)
[04:49] <stlsaint> brb folks
[04:49] <duanedesign> d'oh thought i found one you might not have , :D
[04:49] <stlsaint> hehe not this time
[04:49] <commander_> hm maybe will try that on my laptop
[04:49] <commander_> HP computer have a bad quality battery for their computers.
[04:50] <commander_> would be awesome to have a longer life than 3 hours :)
[04:50] <commander_> OT though, duanedesign, For what I know it is possible to change /home partition right?
[05:08] <yax51> ok so I was able to find and install the audio drivers I needed successfully, however I am having issues with the final part of the process....
[05:09] <yax51> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=205449&highlight=sound+troubleshoot
[05:13] <yax51> specifically step 4.....I keep getting this error message: WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf.save, it will be ignored in a future release.
[05:19] <yax51> hmmm in alsamixer it's not even detecting a headphone jack.....
[05:22] <yax51> well it's detecting it but it appears to be disabled...
[05:22] <asfd> anybody here that can help?
[05:30] <yax51> hmmm....i can mute the headphone port and it mutes the speakers....
[05:30] <yax51> any idead?
[05:30] <yax51> ideas?
[05:33] <kermiac> yax51: I'm only guessing, but it looks like the filename above is wrong
[05:33] <mohi1> yax51, See System -> preferences -> sound and check the output there
[05:34] <kermiac> yax51: /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf.save  should be   "/etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf" (i.e. without the ".save" on the end of the filename)
[05:34] <mohi1> kermiac, hi. I forgot to scroll up :D
[05:35] <yax51> ok.....the output is currently on analog speakers and when I switch it to analog headphone I get nothing
[05:35] <kermiac> hi there mohi1 :)
[05:35] <yax51> and nothing with analog output either
[05:36] <commander_> how do i launch ati control panel from terminal ?
[05:36] <mohi1> yax51, see what kermiac said. I was not noticing the above reports
[05:37] <kermiac> commander_:  Try "amdxdg-su -c amdcccle" (w/o quotes)
[05:38] <yax51> thats odd I get a bad file name, I am using the command : sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel (the hda-intel is my sound card)
[05:39] <commander_> kermiac, it bring s the same thing as from menu the issue is that after entering my password it disappears and nothing is happening
[05:39] <commander_> launching control panel without admin rights shows it.
[05:40] <kermiac> yax51: have you gone through the links in
[05:40] <kermiac> !sound
[05:40] <ubot2> If you're having problems with sound, click the Volume applet, then Sound Preferences, and check your Volume, Hardware, Input, and Output settings.  If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files,  see !players and !mp3.
[05:41] <kermiac> yax51: also, have you made sure your headphones aren't muted in alsamixer?
[05:42] <yax51> yes.....in alsamixer they show that they are on, but there is no volume bar like the rest of the devices that are working
[05:42] <kermiac> commander_: when launching the control center from a terminal, does it display any error message?
[05:42] <commander_> kermiac, nopp nothing
[05:43] <commander_> kermiac, usual one works from menu, the admin one is asking for a password but after typing it and pressing enter is shows something really fast and dissapears.
[05:43] <commander_> kermiac, if i launch it from terminal it just goes back to promts
[05:45] <commander_> kermiac, hm after several tries to read the text that disappears it is typing; authentication failed or fails not sure exactly
[05:45] <yax51> well let me try to purge and reinstall and see if that does anything
[05:46] <kermiac> yax51: what does "lspci | grep Audio" (from a terminal window show)
[05:46] <kermiac> commander_: "authentication failed" means it doesn't recognise your password.
[05:47] <commander_> kermiac, but I am typing the right one...
[05:47] <commander_> it works for all other apps.
[05:47] <kermiac> commander_: do other functions that require sudo privalages work? i.e. synaptic
[05:47] <commander_> yea
[05:47] <commander_> sudo su works..
[05:47] <kermiac> ok
[05:48] <yax51> kermiac: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
[05:49] <kermiac> commander_: what happens if you kill it first "sudo killall amdcccle", then run "amdxdg-su -c amdcccle"
[05:50] <kermiac> commander_: that's still grasping at straws, I've never heard of that happening before :(
[05:51] <commander_> kermiac, nopp
[05:51] <commander_> for notice I run Kubuntu x64bit
[05:52] <commander_> but the usual control panel works but i cannot manage my display settings and that is why i want to run the root one.
[05:52] <kermiac> commander_: can you try opening it in a guest account or another user's account?
[05:53] <kermiac> commander_: I'm not sure if Kubuntu x64 would make a difference, i don't think it would
[05:53] <commander_> hm, i have no other accounts.
[05:53] <commander_> it is vanilla kde installment.
[05:53] <kermiac> commander_: you could also try "gksu amdcccle"
[05:54] <commander_> hm gksu is not installed, is there a kde variant ?
[05:55] <commander_> hm it is kdesu
[05:56] <kermiac> commander_: another thing to try, have you run "aticonfig --initial" yet? I've heard it can do weird things if you don't do that
[05:56] <duanedesign> check out the new sound applet in 10.10  http://ln-s.net/7FiO
[05:56] <commander_> nopp will try,
[05:57] <commander_> "unable to find any supported screen sections"
[05:57] <kermiac> commander_: you will need to rename your xorg.conf
[05:58] <kermiac> sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.OLD
[05:58] <kermiac> commander_: ^^
[05:59] <commander_> ok
[05:59] <commander_> did a initial after that and got, "could not find config file, trying to create empty one, failed to create empty one"
[05:59] <commander_> hm sudo for initial right?
[06:00] <kermiac> commander_: ok, one sec. I will find the instructions
[06:00] <yax51> WAIT!!!!
[06:00] <kermiac> sorry, I've got to go (I'm at work) can someone pls find the fglrx install instructions for commander?
[06:01] <yax51> its detecting an intel hda device....however I am using a realtek hda device....therefore its not going to work properly until it can find the correct device!!!!!
[06:02] <yax51> so the question is.....how do I find my realtek device?
[06:02] <commander_> kermiac, hm but I installed ATi drivers from restricted, should it not work by then ?
[06:05] <duanedesign> commander_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[06:07] <duanedesign> commander_: which ati card do you have?
[06:08] <commander_> duanedesign, 5970
[06:08] <commander_> duanedesign, also fglrxinfo gives me right info
[06:08] <commander_> display 0:0 screen0, ATI inc, radeon 5900 series, version 3.2.9756
[06:08] <duanedesign> yax51: the warning about adding .conf to the files is just a warning
[06:09] <duanedesign> yax51: you should add .conf to the end of the files eventually though
[06:09] <commander_> duanedesign, fglrx-amdcccle gives command not found.
[06:10] <yax51> true, but it wasnt working.....I find the drivers I need however.....can't remember how to install them...
[06:14] <commander_> hm sudo amdcccle works.
[06:14] <yax51> ok so I downloaded the linux package for realtek hda but can't remember how to install it....any help
[06:14] <yax51> the file is: LinuxPkg_5.14rc5.tar.bz2
[06:16] <duanedesign> yax51: can you run the command:   lsmod | grep snd-hda-*
[06:17] <duanedesign> see if it finds snd-hda-intel
[06:18] <yax51> it didnt do anything
[06:19] <duanedesign> yax51: ok try:  sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel
[06:20] <duanedesign> that should be the kernel module for Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD
[06:22] <duanedesign> commander_: does the command:  fglrxinfo
[06:22] <duanedesign> return anything?
[06:22] <commander_> duanedesign, yea
[06:22] <commander_> duanedesign, ati card, driver version etc.
[06:22] <commander_> duanedesign, it works with sudo amdcccle
[06:22] <duanedesign> ok so the driver is working
[06:23] <commander_> but unable to enable 3 displays..
[06:23] <duanedesign> just 3 :)
[06:23] <commander_> yea, enables 2 but the third one is disabled.
[06:23] <commander_> xinerama tells me that only one desktop is enable, but have no idea what that means.
[06:27] <yax51> ok I'm back...where was I?
[06:28] <commander_> hm seems that Eyefinity is not supported in Linux yet.
[06:30] <duanedesign> yax51: did you try : sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel
[06:30] <kermiac> sorry about having to leave in the middle of that commander_
[06:31] <yax51> it just gives me the warning about the .conf
[06:32] <commander_> kermiac, no problems
[06:32] <commander_> kermiac seems that sudo amdcccle works instead.
[06:33] <duanedesign> yax51: does lsmod | grep snd   return the snd-hda-intel
[06:33] <kermiac> commander_: that's good to know
[06:34] <commander_> kermiac, only to notice that i have no idea how to enable 3 displays :P
[06:34] <yax51> snd_hda_codec_nvhdmi     3722  1
[06:34] <yax51> snd_hda_codec_realtek   224970  1
[06:34] <yax51> snd_hda_intel          21770  3
[06:34] <yax51> snd_hda_codec          82750  3 snd_hda_codec_nvhdmi,snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hda_intel
[06:34] <yax51> snd_hwdep               5604  1 snd_hda_codec
[06:34] <yax51> snd_pcm_oss            40939  0
[06:34] <yax51> snd_mixer_oss          13397  1 snd_pcm_oss
[06:34] <yax51> snd_pcm                77472  4 snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_pcm_oss
[06:34] <yax51> snd_seq_oss            30290  0
[06:34] <yax51> snd_seq_midi_event      5939  1 snd_seq_oss
[06:34] <yax51> snd_seq                50758  4 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi_event
[06:34] <yax51> snd_timer              19010  2 snd_pcm,snd_seq
[06:34] <yax51> snd_seq_device          5926  2 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq
[06:34] <yax51> snd                    60563  18 snd_hda_codec_nvhdmi,snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_hwdep,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi_event,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device
[06:34] <yax51> soundcore               6620  1 snd
[06:34] <yax51> snd_page_alloc          7172  2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm
[06:34] <duanedesign> !pastebin
[06:34] <ubot2> For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[06:34] <yax51> yax51@yax51-Unbuntu:~$
[06:34] <duanedesign> yax51: ok its there
[06:35] <yax51> ooops
[06:35] <duanedesign> :)
[06:36] <ZachK_> What up punks
[06:36] <commander_> depressed
[06:36] <ZachK_> Oi
[06:37] <commander_> 3monitors but now way to enable them all because Eyefinity is not supported in current linux drivers :/
[06:40] <yax51> how do I change which driver it wants to use?
[06:41] <yax51> its using the hda intel driver, however my card is a realtek hda card
[06:42] <duanedesign> you card is  Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD?
[06:44] <duanedesign> yax51: can you run the command:   cat /proc/asound/card0/codec#* | grep Codec
[06:45] <yax51> Codec: Realtek ALC663
[06:45] <duanedesign> that will return your sound card(s)
[06:45] <yax51> Codec: Nvidia MCP78 HDMI
[06:46] <duanedesign> ok
[06:48] <duanedesign> yax51: ok run the command
[06:48] <duanedesign>  zcat /usr/share/doc/alsa-base/driver/HD-Audio-Models.txt.gz
[06:48] <duanedesign> you will see the ALC663 listed
[06:49] <duanedesign> Read all of them and try to find the one which is more similar to your sound card, for example if you have a laptop, you can choose "acer"
[06:51] <duanedesign> yax51: you will then open:   sudo gedit /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf
[06:51] <duanedesign> Then paste the following line at the end of the file (change MODEL with the type of sound card's model, in our example it should be "acer" (without quotation marks)):
[06:51] <duanedesign> options snd-hda-intel model=MODEL
[06:52] <duanedesign> so: options snd-hda-intel model=acer
[06:52] <duanedesign> though that is a bad example, looks like that is not one of the options for your card
[06:53] <duanedesign> most often if sound is working, but not headphones, or not external speakers and you have checked alsamixer and all the sound preferences and you use hda-intel this is the culprit
[06:54] <duanedesign> oh and the final step is reboot
[06:54] <yax51> ok I want to save this file correct?
[06:54] <duanedesign> yes
[06:54] <kermiac> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+question/65752 looks promising, although it is from 9.04
[06:54] <yax51> alright standby....rebooting
[06:55] <Puck`> good morning team
[06:55] <duanedesign> here is the wiki page for future reference  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[06:55] <duanedesign> hello Puck`
[06:56] <duanedesign> there was a good forum guide on the hda intel setting the options thing
[07:00] <yax51> ok im back
[07:00] <duanedesign> wb
[07:02] <yax51> hmmm still nothing
[07:03] <duanedesign> yax51: what model compputer?
[07:03] <yax51> asus g50vt
[07:03] <AJH101> Hi - cannot add a photo to my Fb account in Pidgin - any ideas?
[07:04] <duanedesign> yax51: wow, and options snd-hda-intel model=g50v didnt help?
[07:04] <yax51> nope.....what was the codec command again?
[07:05] <duanedesign>  cat /proc/asound/card0/codec#* | grep Codec
[07:07] <duanedesign> yax51: kermiac found a good Launchpad Answer. Try replacing the last line you added to the end of alsa-base.conf with http://paste.ubuntu.com/463341/
[07:07] <yax51> yeah it shows the realtek alc663 codec, and detects it when i run aplay -l, but in the sound settings only th analog settings work, not the digital ones
[07:08] <duanedesign> ok one sec
[07:08] <yax51> ok.....what was the command to edit to alsa-base.conf again?
[07:09] <duanedesign> yax51: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8502681&postcount=8
[07:09] <duanedesign> yax51: the command was  :   sudo gedit /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf
[07:10] <duanedesign> yax51: the file might be /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base if you have not added the .conf yet
[07:13] <yax51> ok added the lines needed....another reboot?
[07:20] <yax51> no change.... ;(
[07:21] <duanedesign> yax51: ok
[07:21] <yax51> maybe my audio does't like 10.04......
[07:22] <duanedesign> yax51: and we are adding it to the right file. The file isnt blank is it? There is other stuff in there you are just adding these lines to the bottom?
[07:25] <yax51> yes sir....
[07:26] <duanedesign> ok
[07:26] <yax51> what I don't understand is why it doesn't like the realtek hda codecs and drivers.......they are there and installed, but it refuses to acknowledge them...
[07:27] <yax51> maybe its something in the build itself that doesn't like realtek hda
[07:29] <yax51> when was this version released? april? maybe I should go back to 9.10 and wait on this one for a bit.......
[07:31] <duanedesign> yax51: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[07:38] <duanedesign> yax51: i would try some of the other options for model
[07:39] <duanedesign> instead of g50v try some of the others listed for your card in:  zcat /usr/share/doc/alsa-base/driver/HD-Audio-Models.txt.gz
[07:40] <duanedesign> 3stack-dig  seems to be popular
[07:46] <yax51> ummm that was bad....no audio at all.....
[07:50] <duanedesign> yax51: ugh
[07:54] <yax51> yeah, its not even detecing a sound card now....
[07:56] <duanedesign> what does  :  dmesg | grep  snd_hda_intel
[07:56] <duanedesign> does that return a bunch of stuff?
[07:57] <yax51> snd_hda_intel: `1c' invalid for parameter `enable_msi'
[07:58] <duanedesign> yax51: does  the alsabase.conf line say   options snd-hda-intel enable_msi=1
[07:59] <duanedesign> thats the last line in sudo gedit /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf
[07:59] <yax51> stand by
[08:02] <yax51> ok I got it back...
[08:04] <yax51> its once again detecting the ALC663 analog, but not the digital
[08:05] <duanedesign> yax51: does this make any sense to you? http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8502681&postcount=8
[08:05] <duanedesign> i dont have those options but i have a different card
[08:06] <yax51> no....I did look into that, but its for the mic, and my mic is working fine....just the digital output and the headphone jack specifically
[08:06] <zkriesse> HAHA!
[08:06]  * zkriesse runs
[08:08] <jagadish_123> Trouble Installing ubuntu9.04
[08:08] <jagadish_123> Trouble Installing ubuntu9.04
[08:08] <yax51> let me try an auto config....
[08:08] <yax51> sandy by
[08:08] <zkriesse> !patience | jagadish
[08:08] <ubot2> jagadish: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://ubuntuforums.org while you wait.
[08:09] <duanedesign> yax51: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1090852
[08:09] <duanedesign> yax51: see comment 8
[08:10] <duanedesign> seems like the same issue
[08:13] <duanedesign> yax51:  i found a thread that has a solution
[08:13] <duanedesign> d'oh
[08:14] <zkriesse> duanedesign: Looky who decided to show up... saji89
[08:14] <zkriesse> hello yax51
[08:14] <yax51> hey
[08:15] <duanedesign> hey yax51
[08:15] <duanedesign> yax51: i found a solution that some have has success with
[08:15] <yax51> oooooh
[08:15] <duanedesign> yax51: very similar to what we have been doing
[08:15] <yax51> its one stupid line of code different isnt it?
[08:16] <duanedesign> yax51: http://paste.ubuntu.com/463359/
[08:16] <duanedesign> yax51: its a second file
[08:16] <yax51> aaah ok standby
[08:16] <duanedesign> yax51: so paste the 5 lines into the alsa-base.conf, then do the gedit command to create options.conf and put those 5 lines in it
[08:17] <duanedesign> yax51: i would keep the options snd-hda-intel model=m51va
[08:17] <duanedesign> if it doesnt work then try the g50v
[08:18] <yax51> right
[08:19] <yax51> what if the options.conf is blank?
[08:22] <duanedesign> yax51: yeeah i did not have one either
[08:22] <duanedesign> so that should be ok
[08:23] <yax51> alright then here goes nothing......standby....again.....
[08:24] <zkriesse> TEAM!!!! saji89 is here at long last!!!!!!!!
[08:25] <Puck`> welcome saji89 :P
[08:26] <zkriesse> Puck`: I think saji89 was around before you started..he's finally come back to us
[08:26] <Puck`> oh darn :P
[08:26] <saji89> hi all..
[08:26] <Puck`> well then, hi saji89 :P
[08:26] <saji89> Hi Puck`..
[08:26] <Puck`> nice to meet you (:
[08:27] <saji89> Puck`, me too.
[08:28] <yax51> VICTORY!!!!!!
[08:28] <duanedesign> \o/
[08:28] <duanedesign> woot!!!
[08:28] <duanedesign> yax51: that is awesome
[08:28] <yax51> Thanks guys!!!
[08:29] <zkriesse> TOTALLY yax51 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[08:29] <duanedesign> yax51: just wish it would of been quicker :)
[08:29] <yax51> see my problem is I don' even know where to begin to look for such things
[08:30] <Puck`> that's why we have these awesome members :P
[08:30] <duanedesign> yeah what we dont know we make up for with lots of experience searching for solutions
[08:31] <zkriesse> duanedesign: agreed
[08:31] <duanedesign> i think the search that finally did it yax51 was:  ALC663 analog not digital
[08:32] <yax51> huh.....I would never have thought to word it like that at all
[08:32] <duanedesign> and i usually throw an 'ubuntu' in there for good measure
[08:32] <zkriesse> yax51: You'll find that what we lack here we more than make up in Google-Fu
[08:33] <yax51> google-fu.....thats awesome!!
[08:34] <zkriesse> YEAH!!!!
[08:34] <duanedesign> yax51: patience helps a lot too
[08:35] <duanedesign> yax51: most people would of given up awhile ago :)
[08:36] <yax51> yeah I don't have much anymore.....spent the last 3 months in medical hold in boot camp waiting to find out when I was going to get disqualified.....I was almost done with this sound issue
[08:36] <yax51> you guys rock
[08:36] <zkriesse> yax51: Army?
[08:37] <yax51> air force
[08:37] <zkriesse> yax51: awesome
[08:37]  * zkriesse is going Army MOS 68W (Combat Medic)
[08:37] <yax51> *breaks out the beers and begins passing them out*
[08:37] <yax51> nice!
[08:37] <zkriesse> lol
[08:37] <duanedesign> allright
[08:37] <zkriesse> Gotta go to college first though yax51
[08:37] <duanedesign> virtual beers for all
[08:37] <yax51> I was AFSC 3D, Client systems
[08:38] <zkriesse> yax51: They want me to have 15 credits (college)
[08:38] <duanedesign> stlsaint who was here earlier is in the army
[08:38] <yax51> 15 credits? at that rate might as well finish your degree and join as an officer....
[08:39] <yax51> go army......although the Air Force has been doing their job for them......we do it better
[08:39] <zkriesse> yax51: GED dude..i was homeschooled
[08:39] <yax51> so was I
[08:39] <zkriesse> GPA of 3.5 though
[08:40] <zkriesse> AWESOME!
[08:40] <zkriesse> homeschoolers unite!
[08:40] <zkriesse> Ok i need to hit the sack ya'll
[08:40] <zkriesse> it's almost three am for me
[08:40] <yax51> *raises the homeschool banner in defiance of all those who think homeschoolers are lame*
[08:40] <yax51> later
[08:40]  * zkriesse raises the banner with yax51
[08:41]  * zkriesse out
[08:43] <yax51> hey did you post that solution?
[08:47] <duanedesign> yax51: the sound fix
[08:48] <yax51> yeah
[08:48] <duanedesign> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+question/65752
[08:48] <duanedesign> the blue comment is the 'answer'
[08:50] <yax51> sweet
[08:50] <duanedesign> yax51: also mentioned in comment 3 here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1140281
[08:50] <yax51> right on!
[08:50] <duanedesign> i might do a blog post on it since it seems to be an issue with Lucid.
[08:51] <duanedesign> and that problem seems to be fairly common. I found alot of people asking for help with it on different forums
[09:22] <saji89> hey, anyone here encountered the freezing of ubuntu screen problem?
[10:07] <cs1> hi guys
[10:07] <cs1> im new to ubuntu OS
[10:08] <kermiac> hi cs1
[10:08] <cs1> hi kermiac
[10:08] <Silver_Fox_> Hello
[10:08] <cs1> i need some help here
[10:08] <cs1> i just started working in a new company today
[10:08] <cs1> and its my first day of using ubuntu OS
[10:08] <Silver_Fox_> How can we help ?
[10:09] <cs1> and im wondering how to setup a server on ubuntu server?
[10:09] <cs1> because i need to host the company website on the local server
[10:10] <cs1> sorry if i ask the wrong questions at the wrong chat room
[10:10] <kermiac> cs1: this may be helpful - https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/index.html
[10:11] <cs1> ok. thank you so much kermiac
[10:11] <cs1> will be looking through it
[11:06] <simar> I'm running Lucid but want to download source to fix FTBFS for maveric can i use apt-get source ??
[11:08] <mohi1> simar, if you think the source is safe from vulnerability, you can use aptitude. but be careful before using. try finding the applications in synaptic packet manager or software centre
[11:15] <geirha> simar: You could try adding the deb-src repository for maverick, temporarily, then do sudo aptitude update; apt-get source packagename
[11:15] <geirha> I don't know if that'll actually work though.
[11:16] <geirha> At any rate, you can go look up the source package at launchpad and download the .tar.gz and .dsc file ... that's basicly the files apt-get source downloads.
[12:52] <tdn> I use Ubuntu 10.04 LTS with encrypted home dirs. I had to do some maintenance including swapping of two users' UIDs and GIDs. So I did a deluser on the users and a delgroup on the groups. Then I created the users and groups again with the corrects UIDs/GIDs. Then I chowned all the users' files under /home/$USER and /home/.ecryptfs/$USER. Then I reset password with passwd $USER. But now the users cannot log in, thus cannot decrypt their files.
[12:53] <tdn> I have recovered the key with ecryptfs-unwrap-passphrase and tried to rewrap it with ecryptfs-rewrap-passphrase, however, the users still cannot login via GDM.
[17:01] <sebsebseb> Hi
[17:01] <mohi1> hello sebsebseb
[17:02] <sebsebseb> mohi1: Hello
[17:02] <mohi1> (:
[17:11] <zkriesse> hello vcollins
[17:13] <mohi1> Zach dont show 'em you are here. they are quitting :p
 hello vcollins
[17:14] <mohi1> * vcollins has quit (Client Quit)
[17:14] <mohi1> :P
[17:15] <zkriesse> oh you goof mohi1
[17:15] <mohi1> lol
[17:26] <duanedesign> zkriesse: mohi1 gotta love the comrodorie between members :)
[17:26]  * mohi1 hides
[17:28] <duanedesign> you can run, but you can not hide
[17:28]  * mohi1 hides behind paultag. duanedesign you cant find him :P
[17:29] <paultag> callin me fat?
[17:29] <paultag> oh frak
[17:29] <paultag> I'm op
[17:29] <mohi1> packrat, NOT THAT :(
[17:29] <mohi1> I thought your away
[17:29] <mohi1> so he cant find ya. NOTHING more.
[17:29] <mohi1> DONT KICK MEEEEE
[17:30] <mohi1> :(
[17:30] <mohi1> paultag,
[17:30] <zkriesse> duanedesign: totally
[17:30] <zkriesse> lol
[17:30] <zkriesse> paultag: kick mohi1
[17:31] <mohi1> :'(
[17:31] <zkriesse> KICK HIM!!! WOOO
[17:31] <paultag> noe!
[17:32] <duanedesign> lots of kicking going on. Hope no one has steel toe boots
[17:36] <mohi1> :)
[17:37]  * mohi1 hugs paultag
[17:37]  * paultag hugs mohi1
[17:38] <mohi1> paultag, you are still writing my wiki right??
[17:38] <mohi1> :/
[17:38] <zkriesse> Hell since we're all hugging
[17:38] <paultag> mohi1: oh yes, duh
[17:38]  * zkriesse hugs mohi1, paultag, and duanedesign
[17:38] <mohi1> Zach Only one at a time
[17:39]  * zkriesse hugs mohi1
[17:39]  * zkriesse hugs paultag
[17:39]  * zkriesse hugs duanedesign
[17:39] <mohi1> thats better :D
[17:39] <mohi1> paultag, so what you did with the reminder i did in the web?? :/
[17:40] <paultag> mohi1: chillll!
[17:40] <mohi1> okies
[18:32] <|jonathan|> need help with wvdial and usb modem issue
[18:32] <|jonathan|> anyone here?
[18:33] <zkriesse> !patience | |jonathan|
[18:33] <ubot2> zkriesse: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[18:33] <zkriesse> !patience
[18:33] <ubot2> Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://ubuntuforums.org while you wait.
[18:35] <|jonathan|> cannot configure my usb modem in ubuntu
[18:36] <|jonathan|> i treid it but it says modem is not responding when i type sudo wvdial
[18:36] <|jonathan|> in terminal
[20:51] <tdn> I use Ubuntu 10.04 LTS with encrypted home dirs. I had to do some maintenance including swapping of two users' UIDs and GIDs. So I did a deluser on the users and a delgroup on the groups. Then I created the users and groups again with the corrects UIDs/GIDs. Then I chowned all the users' files under /home/$USER and /home/.ecryptfs/$USER. Then I reset password with passwd $USER. But now the users cannot log in, thus cannot decrypt their files.
[20:51] <tdn> I have recovered the key with ecryptfs-unwrap-passphrase and tried to rewrap it with ecryptfs-rewrap-passphrase, however, the users still cannot login via GDM.
[20:52] <stlsaint> ouch
[20:52] <stlsaint> encryption uses (i think) UID with keys but you changed it causing authentication impossible
[20:52] <stlsaint> just my two cents on the issue
[20:53] <stlsaint> tdn: hopefully someone else will be able to better support you
[20:54] <tdn> stlsaint, so, how do I change it back?
[20:54] <tdn> stlsaint, I have recovered the wrapped key, so it should be possible.
[22:29] <Ger> Pedro you here
[22:29] <pedro3005> hello Ger
[22:30] <Ger> The install worked it is on my harddrive now but still have another issue
[22:30] <Ger> thank you
[22:30] <pedro3005> oh, GREAT!
[22:30] <pedro3005> what is the issue?
[22:31] <Ger> the cursor is leaving a trail
[22:31] <Ger> mouse
[22:32] <Ger> when i move it  arrow here another one in another spot
[22:32] <pedro3005> phillw, ping
[22:32] <Ger> all over the screen
[22:32] <pedro3005> Ger, I am sure that is because of your slow system
[22:33] <Ger> the speed or ram
[22:33] <pedro3005> what I would advise is using a lighter version of ubuntu like Lubuntu
[22:33] <Ger> where do I get it
[22:33] <Ger> web site
[22:33] <pedro3005> they have one over here http://lubuntu.net/
[22:34] <pedro3005> phillw is your lubuntu man
[22:34] <pedro3005> but he seems to be away right now
[22:34] <phillw> I'm sorting the arrival of the new bot
[22:34] <pedro3005> oh, okay
[22:34] <phillw> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu
[22:35] <Ger> should i install on top of lts
[22:35] <phillw> is the place to go for lubuntu
[22:35] <phillw> Ger: yes, you can add lubuntu
[22:35] <pedro3005> phillw, Ger here has a slow computer (256 mb | 600 mhz).. the 10.04 install works (setting "nodmraid" as boot option), but he is experiencing a slow system. You think lubuntu would run fine on this?
[22:36] <phillw> 256Mb would be fine for lubuntu, it was it is designed for
[22:36] <phillw> A Pentium II or Celeron system with 128 Mb RAM is probably a bottom-line configuration that may yield slow yet usable system with Lubuntu.
[22:37] <pedro3005> sounds like the game really
[22:37] <pedro3005> phillw, is it possible to install lubuntu on top of a normal ubuntu install without it interfering with GNOME?
[22:37] <phillw> even with 256Mb RAm the ubiquity install may take a while, he may prefer to do it via the minimal install.
[22:38] <phillw> yes, it only takes up disk space, once they are happy with lubuntu theyhe can remove the gnome areas
[22:39] <Ger> i have 330 ram
[22:39] <phillw> Ger: if you want to pop onto #lubuntu i can discuss it further, in case there are people queueing up to ask a question on here
[22:40] <Ger> ok
[22:41] <Ger> thanks pedro for your help if i up my ram do you think this will run or the pc is too slow
[22:41] <pedro3005> Ger, It could help, but I think it's a bit silly to invest on a 9-year-old computer.
[22:42] <Ger> ok thanks again
[23:05] <theophilus> Hey guys... so I have a bit of a problem... it's a long story, but it comes down to this: My brother and I want to do some music recording... I was using a portable version of audacity on Win7, but audacity doesn't actually support win7, so that ended up failing pretty epicly... so I decided to throw in a Linux Mint LiveCD, and see what would happen (if I could get audacity or ardour going. The problem: we're recording through a BOSS ME-25, and
[23:06] <holstein> hey theophilus
[23:06]  * holstein is an audio guy
[23:06] <holstein> whats up?
[23:06] <theophilus> hey man, not a lot, you?
[23:07] <holstein> :)
[23:07] <holstein> theophilus: what interface are you using?
[23:07] <holstein> your internal sound card?
[23:07] <theophilus> hardware interface?
[23:07] <holstein> yeah
[23:08] <theophilus> We have a BOSS ME-25 plugged into my laptop via usb port. Um... internal sound card is what ever came with the laptop... intel maybe? *shrug*
[23:08] <holstein> so
[23:09] <holstein> you use the boss to capture the sound
[23:09] <holstein> does linux see it?
[23:10] <theophilus> ya... um, it doesn't look like it's seeing it (and I don't know the commands to check, but it's not showing up in the audio settings anywhere)
[23:10] <holstein> theophilus: let me suggest a proper live CD
[23:10] <holstein> http://www.bandshed.net/AVLinux.html
[23:10] <holstein> its a live DVD
[23:10] <holstein> im working on a live ubuntstudio disc
[23:10] <holstein> but i dont have it together yet :/
[23:10] <holstein> anyways
[23:10] <holstein> ALlinux has all of what you need to test with
[23:10] <holstein> theophilus: are you in front of the box?
[23:11] <holstein> with the boss plugged in?
[23:11] <holstein> running mint live?
[23:11] <theophilus> yup yup yup
[23:11] <holstein> OK
[23:11] <holstein> run lsusb
[23:11] <holstein> and see if you see something about the boss
[23:11] <holstein> if its not obvious
[23:11] <holstein> you can grab it
[23:11] <holstein> and pastebin it
[23:12] <holstein> http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[23:12] <holstein> after that
[23:12] <holstein> run aplay -l
[23:12] <holstein> theophilus: you know where to go to run those?
[23:12] <holstein> terminal?
[23:12] <theophilus> http://paste.ubuntu.com/463715/http://paste.ubuntu.com/463715/
[23:12] <theophilus> yup
[23:12] <holstein> and just type those commands in
[23:12] <holstein> theophilus: cool
[23:12] <theophilus> oops... sorry, url fail
[23:13] <theophilus> http://paste.ubuntu.com/463715/
[23:13]  * holstein got it :)
[23:13] <holstein> yeah
[23:13] <holstein> so roland corp sholud be it
[23:13] <holstein> do
[23:13] <holstein> aplay -l
[23:13] <holstein> and arecord -l
[23:14] <holstein> too
[23:14] <holstein> if you want
[23:14] <holstein> while your making a pastebin for it :)
[23:14] <theophilus>  http://paste.ubuntu.com/463716/
[23:15] <theophilus> http://paste.ubuntu.com/463718/
[23:15] <theophilus> (the last one has both)
[23:15] <holstein> hmm
[23:15] <holstein> not seing it there
[23:15] <theophilus> my brother just pointed out another option if this doesn't work (going straight through the mic port (something we've done before with some success)
[23:16] <holstein> let me suggest #opensourcemusicians
[23:16] <holstein> theophilus: yeah
[23:16] <holstein> that will work
[23:16] <holstein> with your internal card
[23:16] <holstein> but the boss might work
[23:16] <holstein> let me look around a bit
[23:19] <holstein> theophilus: not looking good
[23:19] <holstein> http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Vendor-BOSS
[23:19] <holstein> theophilus: if you want
[23:19] <holstein> put a strongly worded email together for boss reuesting linux support
[23:19] <holstein> the easy way to go is
[23:19] <holstein> just install ubuntu
[23:20] <holstein> and install audacity
[23:20] <holstein> and use your internal sound card
[23:20] <holstein> i like to call audacity a gate-way drug ;)
[23:20] <holstein> when you outgrow it
[23:20] <holstein> come back to #opensroucemusicians or #ubuntustudio
[23:20] <holstein> and we can talk about JACK + ardour
[23:22] <holstein> if you dont want to install linux
[23:22] <holstein> and you just want to run a live CD
[23:22] <theophilus> haha, yeah, I've tried ardour before. I coulnd't find the plug-ins I wanted though. but I'm sure they're there somewhere. I have ardour and audacity in ram on the Live enviroment I'm in now, so we'll probably give it a try
[23:23] <holstein> http://puredyne.org/ or AVlinux
[23:23] <holstein> theophilus: yeah, that should work
[23:24] <theophilus> Ya... AVLinux looks good... I'll have to try that out... JACK looks like fun, but I messed it up a couple times when we were playing with it, and it ended up just giving me a headache :P
[23:24] <holstein> its got a crazy learning curve
[23:24] <holstein> but there really is nothing like it
[23:24] <holstein> JACK + ardour + other FOSS
[23:24] <holstein> quite amazing
[23:25] <theophilus> iyo better than anything mac or win puts out?
[23:25] <holstein> i cant say better
[23:25] <holstein> theres nothing like it
[23:25] <theophilus> ya... good point
[23:25] <holstein> its just a different workflow
[23:25] <holstein> and JACK runs on OSX
[23:25] <holstein> maybe win too?
[23:25] <holstein> not sure
[23:25] <theophilus> ya... cool...
[23:25] <holstein> ive used JACK + ardour on OSX
[23:25] <holstein> worked great
[23:26] <theophilus> Well thanks for the help man! it's been great. ttyl, have a good one
[23:26] <holstein> good luck :)
[23:26] <theophilus> thanks


[14:56] <Someone_Else> √
[14:57] <Someone_Else> I installed Mir and Unity 8 on a fresh 16.04 installation, alongside with the newest nVidia drivers (using KMS), but when I try to login to Unity 8, it returns to a frozen login screen
[15:10] <anpok> Someone_Else: we havent integrated the nvidia support into mir.. RAOF is currently working on that. So even when nvidia does provide the necessary kms/drm interfaces egl integration will need changes in mir
[15:12] <Someone_Else> anpok: I assume you are happy to see that nVidia finally released the KMS version of the driver - don't you?
[15:12] <Someone_Else> anpok: What I read is that KMS is necessary for Wayland / Mir to work
[15:15] <anpok> hm mir can could also use the android hwc/fb api for that purpose.. but yeah I still cannot believe that this happened..
[15:17] <Someone_Else> Still, when using nVidia drivers, the boot console resolution is way to low
[15:18] <Someone_Else> anpok: Are there any workarounds for that? That problem is happening as long as I can remember...
[15:31] <Someone_Else> RAOF: Any ETA on when the changes are available in APT?
[22:45] <RAOF> Hah!
[22:45] <RAOF> nvidia support, right now?
[22:45] <RAOF> No. :)


[15:28] <bbs> balbir: hey :)
[15:40] <apt_get> Hi
[15:40] <apt_get> I have many link status loged into my console
[15:40] <apt_get> after switching to another kernel version, this logs dont goes more to console.. but only to kern.log
[15:40] <apt_get> where can I configure to put state changes of a iface into console


[02:00] <ali1234> !info nano
[08:19] <MartijnVdS> Good morning everyone!
[09:03] <dwatkins> hiya MartijnVdS
[09:47] <mungbean> argh its cold out there
[09:47] <mungbean> planning on staying in for rest of day
[09:59] <redtape-renegade> Morning .. popey that guy you hate actually put Ubuntu on his Nexus .. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTmYCswJ0QA
[09:59] <redtape-renegade> MartijnVdS: Hello ..
[10:09] <redtape-renegade> There is too many people running on the promenade .. they're making me feel fat :(
[10:09]  * MartijnVdS just ran 10km
[10:10] <MartijnVdS> training for next week's 20km run :)
[10:10] <redtape-renegade> Crumbs, how long did that take you ?
[10:11] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:12] <redtape-renegade> morning..
[10:12] <redtape-renegade> good being optional ...
[10:14] <MartijnVdS> redtape-renegade: a little under an hour
[10:14]  * redtape-renegade got a dictaphone in the mail today .. good for recording farts and putting them as ringtones on his phone ... :D
[10:14] <redtape-renegade> MartijnVdS: I can't get up and dressed in an hour !!
[10:15] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ
[10:15] <redtape-renegade> ?
[10:15] <MartijnVdS> recording ringtones like that..
[10:15] <redtape-renegade> I couldn't see 'that' comment .. it's in chinese ?
[10:16] <MartijnVdS> oh it's this: http://lookofdisapproval.info/
[10:16] <redtape-renegade> BTW The UK lost it's tripleA rating , financially today ..
[10:17] <redtape-renegade> i get it thanx, dad .
[10:21] <redtape-renegade> when do I get my allowance ??
[10:22]  * redtape-renegade makes coffee ...
[10:27]  * redtape-renegade like the Dutch teams translation logo https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-nl
[10:44] <AlanBell> morning all
[10:45] <AlanBell> is "SIMS 3" on steam for linux?
[10:53] <MartijnVdS> I don't think so
[11:00] <mungbean> wow redtape-renegade that guys voice on the video is rather....
[11:00] <redtape-renegade> SIMS 3 .. spawn of the devil  .. Surely not AlanBell
[11:01] <redtape-renegade> mungbean: Joe or Chris ???/
[11:01] <mungbean> the annoying guy
[11:01] <redtape-renegade> the younger one ?
[11:01] <mungbean> yeah
[11:01] <mungbean> i could only handle 30 seconds of him
[11:01] <redtape-renegade> he does a daily vlog .. like everyday .. he's an addict !]
[11:01] <mungbean> very american
[11:02] <redtape-renegade> ....  perhaps not for British peope, then.
[11:02] <redtape-renegade> have you been there ?
[11:02] <mungbean> to the US?
[11:02] <redtape-renegade> mm yeah ?
[11:02] <mungbean> yes. i do my best hugh grant impression when in NY
[11:02] <AlanBell> seems like no sims 3 on steam
[11:02] <mungbean> no sims 3 on linux full stop
[11:02] <redtape-renegade> mungbean: How much did she cost ?
[11:03] <mungbean> not that type :P
[11:03] <redtape-renegade> hehe .. :)
[11:03] <mungbean> i haven't been back since they started collecting fingerprints
[11:03] <mungbean> america is an offence to my freedoms
[11:03] <redtape-renegade> aaahh .. a privateer.
[11:03] <mungbean> not so much, but the US treatment offends me
[11:04] <redtape-renegade> .. just go through Canada :)
[11:04] <mungbean> or stay in canada
[11:04] <redtape-renegade> the border is [pretty slackware.
[11:04] <redtape-renegade> **slack.
[11:04]  * redtape-renegade cleans his specks ...
[11:05] <redtape-renegade> Anybody want to hangout here ??
[11:06] <redtape-renegade> Anybody want to hangout here ??
[11:07] <redtape-renegade> Anybody want to hangout here ???
[11:09]  * redtape-renegade makes crumpets ...
[11:13]  * redtape-renegade scans the horizon for mischievous birds ..  seems a bit too quiet ..
[11:14]  * mungbean goes back to bed
[11:15] <SuperEngineer> AlanBell: message for you on -steam ;)
[11:15]  * AlanBell is on -steam ;)
[11:22] <redtape-renegade> Anybody want to hangout here ????
[11:25] <ikonia> directhex: ping
[11:41] <redtape-renegade> If I have to hear Skyfall theme-tune one more time , I thnk *I'm* going to crumble !!
[12:01] <MartijnVdS> redtape-renegade: it's sung by a Dell, I heard...
[12:34] <directhex> ikonia, yo yo yo sup
[12:38] <ikonia> directhex: not too much, I may have it sorted in my head now, may nudge later after testing
[12:56] <redtape-renegade> Anybody want to hangout here ?????
[13:05] <mungbean> if you upload copyrighted content to youtube, do u share in ad revenue, or you get zero?
[13:09] <redtape-renegade> prob. not .. i never got paid by youtu.be     ever.
[13:10] <mungbean> i think they only pay you when your income exceeds a certain amount e.g. £59
[13:10] <mungbean> £50
[13:11] <redtape-renegade> i'm not expecting a cent...
[13:11] <redtape-renegade> what do you subscribe to ??
[13:12] <mungbean> did you turn on monetization?
[13:12] <redtape-renegade> no
[13:13] <redtape-renegade> what do you subscribe to ??
[13:13] <mungbean> i don't really subscribe to anything
[13:14] <directhex> mungbean, you get zero.
[13:14] <redtape-renegade> well, i get videos the hour they are released .. thats how i use the internet .. the world come to me .. not the other way around.
[13:14] <mungbean> thanks directhex
[13:15] <mungbean> redtape-renegade: new != best
[13:15] <redtape-renegade> otherwise your just a random viewer .. it's a community you know !
[13:15] <mungbean> no its not
[13:15] <redtape-renegade> it is to me.
[13:15] <mungbean> its a video streaming site where hordes of kids put retarded comments on videos
[13:16] <redtape-renegade> i talk to jordan keyes directly.
[13:16] <mungbean> who is he
[13:16] <redtape-renegade> exactly, you dont know !
[13:16] <mungbean> and my life is no worse
[13:17] <redtape-renegade> http://www.youtube.com/user/twildottv
[13:17] <redtape-renegade> how the heck do you know that ?
[13:17] <redtape-renegade> no bettr anyway ..
[13:21] <redtape-renegade> mungbean: What communities *are* you an active member of ?
[13:23] <redtape-renegade> mungbean: You are watching the video aren't you ??
[13:31] <mungbean> huh?
[13:31] <mungbean> whic video?
[14:41] <mfraz74> Went to the RISC OS south west show this morning and bought a real time clock for my Pi
[14:47] <dwatkins> mfraz74: neat, I'm planning on making a radio receiver for my Arduino to get the time from the MSF signal.
[15:09] <A5c11Char5et> Hi, quick question if I may guys..
[15:09] <A5c11Char5et> I'm doing some web development
[15:09] <penguin42> ask !
[15:10] <A5c11Char5et> Should I be using XHTML or HTML5 nowadays ?
[15:10] <A5c11Char5et> I heard HTML5 compatibility isn't great still
[15:27] <dwatkins> Who is your audience, A5c11Char5et?
[15:27] <A5c11Char5et> Technical blogs, forum
[15:27] <A5c11Char5et> Stuff like that
[15:29] <dwatkins> I suspect most people will have html5-compatible browsers, not sure. If you write your HTML with that in mind, it should be possible to keep everyone happy, I imagine.
[15:29] <dwatkins> (within reason, you probably don't need to worry too much about formatting for Netscape 2.0)
[15:30] <dwatkins> html dog has some good tutorials: http://www.htmldog.com/guides/
[15:32] <penguin42> anyone ever bought a pogoplug/goflex net
[15:35] <A5c11Char5et> dwatkins, this site looks awesome. Thanks :)
[15:35] <dwatkins> A5c11Char5et: welcome :)
[15:35] <dwatkins> penguin42: not me, just a Raspberry Pi and a Synology NAS
[15:37] <penguin42> dwatkins: I got this one open-box in Curry's bargain bin (#19) but they have a registration scheme/setup system and the problem is it's already been registered
[15:37] <penguin42> ah, there's a note in the support pages about how to do that
[15:38] <dwatkins> ah good, penguin42 - would have been a bit mean of them not to allow 2nd hand re-registering
[15:38] <penguin42> nod
[15:39] <penguin42> dwatkins: You're supposed to be able to install other Linux's on them - the trick though is you need to register and tick a box that enables ssh access
[15:40] <dwatkins> sounds potentially dangerous, but if it's reasonably automated that's ok - does it have a serial/bluetooth external connection, penguin42?
[15:41] <penguin42> dwatkins: No, it's got USB, ether, and two SATA
[15:41] <penguin42> ooh, interesting - it seems to have it's ssh port open....
[15:41] <dwatkins> perhaps the tick box is just to allow you to reset the password
[15:42] <penguin42> dwatkins: Yeh maybe
[15:48]  * penguin42 sends them a reset mail
[15:50] <penguin42> dwatkins: I suspect there's a serial port inside somewhere
[15:55] <dwatkins> yeah, my linksys router has one, although I'd need to do some voltage conversion stuff to use it with an RS232
[15:57] <MartijnVdS> What are you hacking? :)
[15:57] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Seagate GoFlex Net
[15:58]  * MartijnVdS opened up a TP-Link WA850RE
[15:58] <MartijnVdS> as in.. opened up and broke the case :|
[15:58] <MartijnVdS> now I have a PCB that has 230V in.. and wifi out
[15:59] <MartijnVdS> I'm considering attaching a (new) lead, measuring the voltage of the DC it generates, then applying *that* to the DC part of the board
[15:59] <MartijnVdS> it's still dangerousish
[16:00] <dwatkins> might be worth getting a project box to house it in, too ;)
[16:00] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: yes, I have those :)
[16:00] <dwatkins> ah good
[16:00] <MartijnVdS> it has 10V caps, so the DC part must be <10V ;)
[16:00] <MartijnVdS> but I don't know if it's 5 or 3.3
[16:01] <dwatkins> what does ethernet use?
[16:02] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: -1V, -0.5V, +0.5V, +1V (-2.5V, +2.5V for 10mbit)
[16:03] <dwatkins> oh wow ok
[16:03] <MartijnVdS> but the ethernet port has its own "chip"/"box"
[16:03] <penguin42> wow, they've sorted it - all done
[16:05] <penguin42> it's odd having a system where you set your ssh password to it on an external website!
[16:06] <penguin42> not bad for under #20 :-)
[16:07]  * MartijnVdS shakes his fist in the general direction of Canon
[16:26] <isleofmandan> Hello. Can anyone cofirm that 12.04 and Samba is broken? Trying to build my first ever Ubuntu Server, and samba crashes all the time. Bug 1016895 implies it's not my fault!
[16:31]  * penguin42 looks
[16:32] <penguin42> isleofmandan: Are you using a 12.04.2 install media?
[16:33] <isleofmandan> I think so. I downloaded from ubuntu.com on Thursday night
[16:33] <isleofmandan> I also did apt-get update/upgrade
[16:33] <penguin42> isleofmandan: OK, so yes it looks like it's a known broken, but only in the new version that was released a couple of weeks ago; if you get a 12.04.1 install image it should work I think
[16:34] <isleofmandan> OK. I'm building a NAS for home use. Do you think it's worth trying 12.10, or should I stick to the LTS?
[16:35] <penguin42> isleofmandan: I think if you just want it to sit there and store data for you LTS is probably a better bet
[16:36] <isleofmandan> Yes. Except today! I've spent 6 hours fiddling with smb.conf before finally realising i was doing nothing wrong!
[16:36] <penguin42> isleofmandan: Haha yes, sorry about that
[16:36] <isleofmandan> Still, I learned a lot about log files, and the tail command.
[16:36] <isleofmandan> :)
[16:36] <penguin42> I'd get a 12.04.1 image and try that
[16:37] <isleofmandan> Will an apt-get update/upgrade break that though?
[16:38] <penguin42> isleofmandan: Probably not (!)
[16:38] <penguin42> isleofmandan: My understanding is thatthe 12.04.1 gets a separate kernel update stream from 12.04.2 (that shares it with quantal) and that bug seems to say it's kernel dependent
[16:40] <isleofmandan> OK. Another question then... I have 3 hard drives. One for Ubuntu OS, the other two are configured in software Raid 1. It's taken *hours* to sync the two raid drives. If I wipe the single drive with the Ubuntu OS (not in the raid array) will I have to wait and re-sync again, or is the software raid info saved on the raid drives?   hope that makes sense(!)
[16:41] <penguin42> the RAID state is stored on the RAID
[16:41] <penguin42> how big are the drives?
[16:41] <isleofmandan> 2TB (each)
[16:41] <isleofmandan> 250 GB for the OS one
[16:41] <penguin42> right, so lets say they manage 100MB/s then to read the whole driver flat out would take 2000seconds if everything flew at full speed
[16:43] <dwatkins> just over half an hour
[16:43] <penguin42> nod, and 100MB/s is what a 7200RPM drive gets on a good day
[16:44] <isleofmandan> I think mdstat was reporting about 30MB/s at the time it was syncing
[16:44] <dwatkins> yeah, I assume the drives are internal, isleofmandan
[16:45] <isleofmandan> Yes, I've bought an HP Proliant microserver to replace a shop-bought NAS that is now full.  (300 GB seemed huge when I bough that. My desktop at that time had a 2.1 GB drive in it!)
[16:45] <isleofmandan> Thought I'd have a go at using Ubuntu to build my own server
[16:46] <isleofmandan> but this Samba bug has had me frustrated all day!
[16:46] <isleofmandan> Trying to work out what I was doing wrong...
[16:46] <isleofmandan> :)
[16:48] <isleofmandan> Where can I find 12.04.1 for download, it's not listed at releases.ubuntu.com
[16:49] <penguin42> hmm that's a good question
[16:49] <isleofmandan> It's almost like *someone* doesn't want my server project to be a success!
[16:49] <penguin42> http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04.1/
[16:50] <isleofmandan> ah. thanks
[17:06] <isleofmandan> .iso downloaded  :)   Off to play with it....  Thanks for all your help.
[17:07] <penguin42> good luck
[17:39] <celesteh> Do any of you have any experience with live streaming to ustream or any other similar service with ubuntu 12.04?
[17:42] <SuperEngineer> help - sister's firm offered her a choice between Kindle Fire & Nexus... I told her to request Nexus but asked what model
[17:43] <AlanBell> SuperEngineer: what is it for?
[17:43] <SuperEngineer> ..mail recieved stated her boss had aalready ordered the Nexus [all that was a week ago]
[17:44] <SuperEngineer> AlanBell: boss' rationale was "so that see could read/do emails when out of office"
[17:46] <SuperEngineer> ...she is now swearing blind that the machine is labeled Asus
[17:46] <AlanBell> SuperEngineer: nexus 7 is asus
[17:46] <SuperEngineer> quote: The back reads - in big letters - nexus and in smaller letters at the botton - ASUS
[17:47] <SuperEngineer> AlanBell: that solves that one then
[17:47] <AlanBell> this one says Asus at the bottom on the back too
[17:48] <SuperEngineer> ..no experience of it.. is it the same / similar/ totally different to the Samsung Galaxy / Nexus
[17:48] <AlanBell> it is a 7 inch android tablet
[17:50] <SuperEngineer> http://support.google.com/nexus/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=2667663&topic=2841129&ctx=topic
[17:57] <SuperEngineer> AlanBell: yep - all confirmed... she's got herself both a winner and a generous boss [but apparently won't consider a "purely for supportiung your employee use" one for me :(
[17:58] <bigcalm> Good afternoon chaps
[17:58] <SuperEngineer> AlanBell: [& thanks]
[18:07] <ali1234> hmm
[18:08] <ali1234> AlanBell: did you get ubuntu touch on SGS2 yet?
[18:08] <AlanBell> no, not had much tinkering time
[18:08] <AlanBell> need to back it up first
[18:08] <AlanBell> and I needed to find it and charge it up first
[18:24] <MsCourtney> Does anyone know how long it takes for a traffic citation to come in the mail?
[18:26] <bigcalm> o.O
[18:27] <bigcalm> Bit off topic for us to know the answer to that
[18:29] <MsCourtney> bigcalm: True, but I just asked in case someone knows as I badly need information on this
[18:30] <SuperEngineer> MsCourtney: a Ubuntu one can take 6 weeks to 3months [& still be current]... see how bought that back on-topic ;)
[18:31] <MsCourtney> SuperEngineer: This channel isn't always strictly on topic anyways
[18:37] <SuperEngineer> MsCourtney: did someone say "strictly" ooo - Matron!  [in an Ubuntu fashion of course] ;)
[18:40] <shauno> I actually have no idea.  but I have to ask, between using 'citation' (a very american term), and an afriNIC IP .. are you sure -uk are going to have the answer you're looking for ?
[18:40] <SuperEngineer> ...but the answer previous is still relevant - just because it hasn't arrived, don't think you got awaty with the offence
[18:40] <SuperEngineer> *away
[18:41] <SuperEngineer> in fact -bringing it strictly on topic - the digital camereas/traps can send immediately and I bet they are linux powered systems
[18:42] <MsCourtney> shauno: I'm in the UK in Surrey, ignore the IP
[18:42] <SuperEngineer> ...the image based traps can arrive - as said - anytime between 6 weeks and 3 months
[18:43] <shauno> fair enough, just tweaked at the word citation :)
[18:44] <MsCourtney> I was told that they would consider the accident report and I might get a citation for "Driving without due care and attention" if they find it necessary. So there is a possibility of not getting one. shauno I have American relatives.
[18:45] <SuperEngineer> shauno: [was beginning to wonder about that...]
[18:45] <AlanBell> hi girlygirl
[18:45] <AlanBell> another accident?
[18:45] <MsCourtney> AlanBell: ??
[18:47] <AlanBell> maritius must be terrible
[18:47] <AlanBell> roads in *
[18:48] <MsCourtney> Again, ignore the IP.
[18:50] <AlanBell> anyone got ubuntu touch installed yet?
[18:51] <shauno> I was only curious because we do tend to get wanderers from further afield.  I wonder if they get defaulted to -uk if they choose British English as a locale
[18:51] <MsCourtney> Ubuntu phone, or ubuntu desktop with a touchscreen?
[18:51]  * SuperEngineer getting annoyed by RhythmBox notification area "play" arrow simply opening rythmbox... I can do that myself, you know!
[19:10] <redtape-renegade> WowI was having a really bad day until I got the news that Rebecca was only 3 miles away .. :D   :: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/55128914/Lubuntu%20docs/Rebecca.png
[19:11] <AlanBell> you have been profiled
[19:12] <shauno> ... as 'mature' ;)
[19:13] <redtape-renegade> I was on Funny or Die website ...
[19:13] <ali1234> AlanBell: do you not use adblock+?
[19:14] <AlanBell> no
[19:14] <ali1234> lol, no wonder
[19:15] <redtape-renegade> http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/ed36fa1ab6/between-two-ferns-with-zach-galifianakis-steve-carell?rel=player&playlist=135161
[19:15] <redtape-renegade> I should but you know .. like I care ?
[19:20]  * SuperEngineer blesses & hugs builders AdBlock & NoScript
[19:22]  * SuperEngineer might even be pass some wonga their way now & again
[19:24] <SuperEngineer> *passing
[19:25] <SuperEngineer> ..why is that my brain works faster than my keyboard -doh!
[19:29] <redtape-renegade> because you dont have one of these .. http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard_details.asp?PRODUCT=837
[19:31]  * penguin42 hits redtape-renegade with his Model M
[19:34] <SuperEngineer> redtape-renegade: nope - just looked - brain still too fsast
[19:34] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[19:46] <dwatkins> I suspect a folding keyboard wouldn't be the best typing experience, especially for me after using my archimedes-coloured Model M ;) http://imgur.com/u2RqAAe
[19:47] <penguin42> dwatkins: haha, nice
[19:50] <SuperEngineer> Dr Who time boys & girls
[19:53] <redtape-renegade> Screw the doctor .. it's always the same tat on TV.
[19:55] <dwatkins> SuperEngineer: on BBC1?
[19:56] <MartijnVdS> 3
[19:56] <MartijnVdS> it's a rerun
[19:56] <MartijnVdS> New episodes from March 30 I think
[19:56] <dwatkins> ah right, had me confused that the Radio Times website was lying to me, or showing me a different region ;)
[19:57] <dwatkins> it's back in April, iirc.
[19:57] <dwatkins> ooh, no - next Saturday :D
[19:57] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: _next_ Saturday!?
[19:57] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/doctorwho/articles/Date-Confirmed-for-the-Doctors-Return
[19:57] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: that lists it as march _30_ not march _3_
[19:58] <dwatkins> oh sorry
[19:58] <dwatkins> I was all hopeful there, but got confused as to what month it is
[19:58] <dwatkins> sily February and its number of days being a multiple of seven.
[19:58] <dwatkins> *silly
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> except sometmes
[20:06] <dwatkins> indeed, I'm glad my birthday isn't on the 29th of February, I'd only be about eight years old.
[20:06] <redtape-renegade> OK Ok .. what is a sonic screwdriver ... Pleeeease ??
[20:06] <MartijnVdS> redtape-renegade: it's like a screwdriver. but sonic.
[20:08] <redtape-renegade> apparently its a probe !
[20:08] <MartijnVdS> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MagicTool :)
[20:09] <redtape-renegade> opening..
[20:10] <MartijnVdS> ... and now he's trapped for life in tvtropes :)
[20:10] <MartijnVdS> At least it's not SCP - http://www.scp-wiki.net/
[20:11] <ali1234> i found that website randomly before it got famous
[20:11] <ali1234> i was like o_O
[20:11] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: tvtropes or scp?
[20:11] <ali1234> scp
[20:11] <ali1234> probably from tvtropes
[20:11] <dwatkins> I think I'll need a packed lunch if I'm going to go exploring on SCP.
[20:12] <dwatkins> TV Tropes is bad enough as a time-sink ;)
[20:12] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: nah, it'll only come out the wrong end ;)
[20:12] <dwatkins> lol
[20:12] <redtape-renegade> Come on Ammie  .. get it together !
[20:12] <SuperEngineer> sorry dwatkins ... was watching telly... it's BBC3
[20:12] <redtape-renegade> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/tv/bbc_three/watchlive
[20:16] <dwatkins> cheers SuperEngineer :) good episode, too
[20:16] <dwatkins> they seem to like making people wait.
[20:17] <redtape-renegade> never seen an episode in my life !!
[20:18] <redtape-renegade> come Aimee do it !
[20:18] <redtape-renegade> i wish she blow something else !
[20:19] <MartijnVdS> !coc
[20:19] <redtape-renegade> sorry.
[20:26] <redtape-renegade> Aime kicks butt !!!
[20:26] <MartijnVdS> amy*
[20:29] <SuperEngineer> luboto says... this is a Kindness - don't be alarmed
[20:30] <redtape-renegade> Awwwv !!
[20:32] <redtape-renegade> .. I dont like the shakey camera ,.. abit wonky ..
[20:33] <redtape-renegade> mmm the music has changed a lot ...
[20:34]  * SuperEngineer wants "don't be alarmed,  this is a Kindness" added to luboto3's vocabulary... so many uses!
[20:34] <dwatkins> SuperEngineer: is it followed by the user being dropped form the channel? ;)
[20:34] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[20:34] <jacobw> evening
[20:35] <SuperEngineer> dwatkins: one would assume so ;)
[20:35] <dwatkins> hiya jacobw
[20:35] <redtape-renegade> mm.. good show .. bit long for the message thou ...
[20:38] <dwatkins> "Don't press the wrong button on a lift" ?
[20:40] <SuperEngineer> dwatkins: "this is a Kindness - don't be be alrmed: you're ignored/kicked/banned"...oh yes! gotta be worth submitting
[20:41] <SuperEngineer> ..& who put the exctra "be" in there!
[20:52] <SuperEngineer> Got to go now -
[20:52] <SuperEngineer> early start tomorrow [travelling to Kentshire to see daughter :) and then on to hotel dor course Monday :(
[20:53] <SuperEngineer> ...but back home in time Ubuntu-UK podcast Wednesday ;)
[20:55]  * SuperEngineer wishes the podders all the best for 1st show of new season.
[20:58] <popey> Evening all.
[21:03]  * zleap dittos the good luck message :)
[22:05] <bigcalm> Morning popey
[22:06] <danfish> popey: I am now in a post Viglen age - it has died - a period of official mourning will follow
[22:09] <popey> ☹
[22:14] <danfish> popey: the ubuntu tablet/mobile stuff is spot on. My local NHS IT bods are very impressed. The SDK is on the intranet.
[22:14] <Azelphur> Geek 2013 = Epic. https://www.dropbox.com/s/qw5rx3ieygayxa7/2013-02-23%2011.28.41.jpg?m :D
[22:14] <popey> golly
[22:20] <danfish> the 'powers-that-be' were planning to equip the community services with iPads, but after sg
[22:20] <danfish> oops
[22:22] <danfish> but after projecting our benign spaceman's presentation, that's on hold (though not quotable!)
[22:23] <danfish> our desktop architecture is now OS agnostic
[22:27] <danfish> though we do need a number of terminal service licences
[22:28] <brobostigon> are there any terminal picture viewers around, that work over an ssh connection, inside gnome-terminal. ?
[22:29] <shauno> most likely you'd want to forward X so you can use something like xv on the remote machine, but using your local display
[22:30] <ali1234> ssh -X host
[22:30] <popey> brobostigon: http://pc-freak.net/blog/viewing-jpeggif-and-png-in-ascii-with-cacaview-on-gnu-linux-short-review-on-caca-utils-text-mode-graphics-utilities/
[22:30] <ali1234> eog image.png
[22:31] <danfish> brobostigon: have a look at gateone https://github.com/liftoff/GateOne
[22:31] <brobostigon> thank you popey and danfish
[22:39] <danfish> ho hum, pig's bum, time for bed