[00:14] <DarwinElf> this command works on strictly Unix(-like) systems but not Kubuntu pure (non-X) terminal/consol: 'xinit /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.enlightenment -- /usr/bin/X :1'.  What do I need to change (or $DISPLAY?) to make it work on Kubuntu?
[00:14] <DarwinElf> 'console'
[00:20] <DarwinElf> it says can't open /dev/tty0, permission denied
[00:30] <Krennic> 6
[01:42] <jjbuggle> the zip program I have won't open a file I downloaded due to a bug.  7zip.  Any alternative?  Doesn't look like the repos have the latest, nor is there a ppa?
[01:43] <TimeDoctor> unzip on the command line
[01:43] <TimeDoctor> if it doesn't work there, it's probably some kind of broken file
[01:43] <jjbuggle> mk
[01:44] <jjbuggle> TimeDoctor: it's working!  thanks
[01:45] <TimeDoctor> cool
[01:45] <multifractal> https://imgur.com/a/IUcq9WB Win10 is sda2 and Ubuntu is sda5. is it possible to shrink my ubuntu partition and make windows bigger? that sda3 and unallocated in the middle are a problem.
[01:46] <jjbuggle> multifractal: I think you have to shrink the ubuntu partition, move it to the end of the extended, shrink the extended, move the extended, and then you can expand sda2
[01:47] <jjbuggle> multifractal: and of course, you need to use a boot disk to do it
[01:48] <multifractal> jjbuggle: no matter what i do there's a piece of unallocated that I cant move or merge
[01:49] <jjbuggle> multifractal: oh, I don't know.  I just let that be when I get that
[02:17] <fluvvell> I have a 28" 157.35 and 22" 90.05 PPI monitors, 1 rotated to portrait - can they be run with separate scaling with xrandr? How does one use the scaling attribute?
[02:36] <virmaha> hello. Whenever I launch terminal, I see entire bashrc contents
[02:43] <hartman1986> virmaha, could you give us a pastebin link of your bashrc?
[02:45] <Nexilva> virmaha: `sudo apt install netcat; cat ~/.bashrc | nc termbin.com 9999`
[03:08] <fSharp> hello, when I want to start a program via terminal I am getting this error: Could not create gnome accelerators directory `/home/user/.gnome2/accels': Permission denied
[03:08] <fSharp> and I cant start it via launcher icon, either
[03:09] <fSharp> I found this solution, is it the right one for here; "sudo chown -R "$USER:$USER" "${HOME}/.gnome2/accels"
[03:09] <fSharp> ?
[03:10] <fSharp> apparently not, it didn't solve.
[03:29] <dadass> What's happening?
[03:46] <virmaha> Nexilva: hartman1986 : thanks but i figured the issue. I had set -x in .bashrc
[04:07] <jaydemir> I have a very specific question concerning displays, and its going to sound like something totally ridiculous but this is an actual need I have
[04:08] <jaydemir> I have a projector very far away from my main machine and the stupid HDMI to ethernet adapters keep burning out
[04:08] <jaydemir> My solution has been to throw a linux mini PC on it, but then I'm essentially controlling two PCs at once
[04:09] <jaydemir> Is there any way to push an additional "Display" to the other PC to just output to the screen its connected to?
[04:18] <mostym> Hey guys.  I have 15 drives, for a total of 22.261TB, I have a RAID6 that shows the volume size as 17.722TB and when I do an fdisk -l it shows Disk /dev/sda: 16.4 TiB, type Microsoft basic data
[04:19] <mostym> I am running ubuntu 18.04
[04:19] <mostym> a df -h shows /dev/sda1        17T   16T  997G  95% /mnt/data
[04:22] <mostym> I'm trying to figure out 1) If I should have more space to expand the raid6 volume to give me more space and which value is showing the correct representation of available disk space.
[04:22] <mostym> and 2) why it shows /dev/sda as type Microsoft basic data
[04:25] <mostym> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
[04:45] <libertyprime> hey guys. what are the steps to install a backported version of gnuplot
[04:45] <libertyprime> im on ubuntu 16. i take it i need to get this from 18
[05:08] <WoC> libertyprime, build from source
[05:10] <elias_a> libertyprime: I second that. You'll won't be able to install the needed dependencies manually.
[05:21] <libertyprime> ok thanks ! :)
[05:22] <libertyprime> ubuntu 16 getting old already :'(
[06:35] <ZaZaQR> ahoy
[07:14] <xbonesx> Hello
[07:15] <xbonesx> Been researching for an hour or so now with no luck.
[07:15] <xbonesx> I'm trying to figure out how to get ubuntu 18.04 to recognize my tv as 4k 120hz, is this possible?
[07:15] <xbonesx> Verified working on windows 10
[07:17] <xbonesx> I believe I remember being able to do a manual add to xrandr with the specified resolution and refresh rate but it's been so long since I've played around with stuff like this I want to be sure before I proceed in playing
[07:18] <xbonesx> Additionally, ubuntu reports my LG 55" 4k tv as a goldstar 72". Built in settings only detect 1080p@60
[07:21] <xbonesx> Correction, I verified 1080p@120 on windows 10, not necessarily 4k@120
[07:22] <xbonesx> Either way, xrandr only reports my tv being able to do 1080p@60 at best
[08:48] <xbonesx> Hello again...
[08:48] <xbonesx> So, I did more research on how to manually add modes in xrandr and had no luck... I get a crtc 0 failed error
[08:49] <xbonesx> Further research is pointing to Intel drivers not supporting the specified resolution...
[08:49] <xbonesx> Intel packaged the ubuntu drivers not to support 4k?
[08:50] <xbonesx> I tried to add 4k with different refresh rates with no luck as well
[08:57] <lotuspsychje> xbonesx: not sure if this is your case but: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mutter/+bug/1763892
[09:05] <xbonesx> lotuspsychje, Thank you sir. Going to do a reboot and see if one of the proposed solution works for me. brb
[09:21] <geirha> "every day at 13:00" would be "0 13 * * * ..."
[09:38] <pagios> geirha, if cronjob is stored on crontaqb -e of root, does it mean it will execute aas a root user?
[09:38] <mjhill> Hi all,  Does anyone have multitouch trackpad gestures working on a Macbook running Gnome
[09:38] <geirha> yes
[09:39] <mjhill> I'm trying to get the trackpad gestures working to quickly swipe between gnome workspaces
[09:52] <solsTiCe> I added a laptop to my basket on dell site on black friday. I hesitated to click the final "Pay" button. Only to discover that the 70€ discount means nothing bacause I can buy the same laptop today at the same price. Is black friday just another "farce" ?
[09:53] <lotuspsychje> !ot | solsTiCe
[09:53] <solsTiCe> oops
[09:54] <oskie> is it safe to install a new Ubuntu server (bionic) on a public IP, unfirewalled?
[09:55] <lotuspsychje> oskie: come join in #ubuntu-server for mindlike volunteers
[09:56] <oskie> thanks lotuspsychje
[09:56] <lotuspsychje> yw oskie
[10:03] <sub526> Hi All, I’m having an Ubuntu 16.04 LTS machine. In my machine , apt-get update fails with “E: Problem executing scripts APT::Update::Post-Invoke-Success 'if /usr/bin/test -w /var/cache/app-info -a -e /usr/bin/appstreamcli; then appstreamcli refresh > /dev/null; fi'”, what could be the reason? And how to solve this error?
[10:05] <lotuspsychje> sub526: did you add external ppa's of any kind to your system?
[10:07] <sub526> lotuspsychje: Thanks for the reply. I've no idea, how do i check this?
[10:08] <lotuspsychje> !sources | sub526
[10:08] <TJ-> sub526: what does "ls -l /usr/bin/appstreamcli" report?
[10:08] <TJ-> sub526: although, I think it is the Post-Invoke script itself that is the problem
[10:10] <TJ-> sub526: that line is in the appstream package's /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50appstream
[10:11] <sub526> TJ: "ls -l /usr/bin/appstreamcli" reports “-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 35920 Apr 18  2016 /usr/bin/appstreamcli”.  Apt-get update log shows “*** Error in `appstreamcli': double free or corruption (fasttop): 0x0000000001849ba0 ***”, complete log is here https://pastebin.com/YYRivzzH
[10:14] <TJ-> sub526: good one on grabbing the log. Interesting stack-trace. As there is "ascli_refresh_cache" in the trace I'm going to make an educated guess the on-disk cache is corrupted
[10:16] <sub526> TJ: is there any way to recover from on-disk cache corruption?
[10:16] <TJ-> sub526: I removed appstream package so can't check but maybe "man appstreamcli" reveals a command to wipe the cache?
[10:59] <sub526> Hi All, I want to upgrade my system from Ubuntu 16.04 LTS to 18.04 LTS including the kernel version. Is there any command to achieve this?
[11:00] <lotuspsychje> !ltsupgrade | sub526
[11:02] <sub526> ubottu: thanks, i will try that
[11:12] <blackflow> !botsnack
[11:13] <lotuspsychje> lol
[11:14] <bodom> Hi there. After upgrading kubuntu to 18.10, i have no more audio
[11:36] <bodom> Sorry, my connection dropped. I have upgraded to 18.10 and i have no audio anymore. The control panel shows "dummy audio output". May somebody please help?
[11:40] <bodom> Solved. Timidity had taken over the audio hardware.
[11:43] <TJ-> bodom: well done!
[11:43] <TJ-> bodom: we had a similar issue reported last week
[11:50] <uzee> Hi... I'm trying to setup a kickstart installation for ubuntu 16 or 18, using the exampls ks file in the docs. I'm not using pxe, but rather just attaching a cd image to boot and then specify ks parameter, the install starts but then gives an error saying unable to download kickstart file and the error was: <blank> there is no description of the error
[11:51] <uzee> The same mechanism works fine for centos so i know the network/drivers stuff is ok
[11:53] <uzee> sorry if this is the wrong channel, pls let me know if I need to ask elsewhere
[11:58] <TJ-> uzee: you're not the 1st trying that recently, not sure if there might be a bug in the code, because the other user didn't seem to resolve their issue. What I would recommend is looking at the installer's initialramfs scripts and code that are triggered by the kickstart parameter; figure out what it is doing.
[11:58] <sub526> Hi, i triggered "update-manager -c" command an hour back, but still running. How can i know how long this command will take to complete?
[12:01] <lotuspsychje> sub526: what do you mean still running?
[12:02] <uzee> TJ-: thanks, ok in that case I will first try the boot disk to be an older version like 12 or 14 to see if that makes a difference. I'm not really sure how to investigate the initramfs scripts off the top of my head...
[12:03] <lotuspsychje> sub526: is your system up to date to latest?
[12:03] <sub526> lotuspsychje: I mean the progress bar just froze and nothing else happened. Is there any way to know the status of that command?
[12:04] <uzee> but one thing i do wanted to confirm is f I'm supplying the ks parameter correctly in the right place, my target machine is a VM so I just connect an ISO image to boot off of, then at the initial screen I hit F6 to add the ks args, here's what i get after F6
[12:04] <sub526> lotuspsychje: No, i'm having Ubuntu 16.04 LTS and i want to move to 18.04 lts version
[12:05] <uzee> Boot Options: file=/cdrom/preseed/ubuntu-server.seed vga=788 /install/initrd.gz quiet ---
[12:06] <lotuspsychje> sub526: is your 16.04 system up to date?
[12:06] <uzee> I add the ks as:
[12:06] <TJ-> uzee: firstly, "capser" is the installer package. You can install that locally. Then, under /usr/share/initramfs-tools/ you'll find everything that is used to create the initrd.img. in particular /usr/share/initramfs-tools/init is the shell script that the kernel executes first
[12:06] <sub526> lotuspsychje: no idea, how do i check that?
[12:06] <uzee> Boot Options: file=/cdrom/preseed/ubuntu-server.seed vga=788 /install/initrd.gz --ks=http://myserver/path/to/ks quiet ---
[12:07] <lotuspsychje> sub526: sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[12:07] <uzee> is that the correct way of supplying the ks parameter, or do I need to change something else as well?
[12:07] <TJ-> uzee: there are ./hooks/ (which are executed when the initrd.img is being built to selectively copy/write into the initrd.img) and ./scripts/ which is copied in verbatim
[12:10] <TJ-> uzee: strangely I cannot see any mention of ks= in that tree ("grep -rn ks= /usr/share/initramfs-tools/")
[12:11] <uzee> TJ: thanks very much again, I will look into the scripts and hooks as well, do you see anything incorrect at the boot options where i supply the ks path?
[12:11] <uzee> yes :) i did exactly just that
[12:12] <TJ-> uzee: ahhh, in the casper scripts I do see preseed mentioned
[12:14] <TJ-> uzee: it's in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/casper-bottom/24preseed
[12:15] <TJ-> uzee: there's a loop that reads options from /proc/cmdline, it takes "preseed/file=" and "file="
[12:16] <uzee> hmmm.. i dont have /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/casper-bottom/24preseed
[12:16] <uzee> mine is ubuntu server 18, maybe its in the older versions
[12:16] <TJ-> uzee: did you install the 'casper' package as I said above?
[12:17] <TJ-> uzee: casper is only used in the installers, so you have to install it locally to see these scripts
[12:17] <uzee> oops... sorry i thought if initramfs-tools exists thats sufficient
[12:18] <uzee> my installation web server is ubuntu 18 hence thats the first place i looked
[12:18] <TJ-> uzee: no, other packages add hooks/scripts into that path if they need to do something at initramfs time
[12:19] <uzee> ah ok, installing now
[12:29] <uzee> hmmm, it looks like the preseed file may not be used for the ks stuff. In the boot options, it refers to ubuntu-server.seed which I checked is present in the install image directory and provides basic lang, kyeboard, splash screen info, etc.
[12:31] <uzee> If I understand correctly, the preseed file on the attached cdrom is read and then gets to the ks part. It would appear that its not failing right away since it actually starts the install, tries to setup network, etc. and then gives the error
[12:34] <uzee> i did see a possible network issue which could have been causing this all along :( I'll check into it and report back if just that was the issue
[12:35] <allure> hey guys... a server box is quite slow lately and I get only the base freq from cat /proc/cpu | grep MHz -- should I disable intel_pstate?
[12:43] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:46] <uberwag> hi, does anyone know how to setup fail2ban for xrdp?
[12:47] <hateball> uberwag: if it doesnt work out of the box you need to write rules for your own jail
[12:48] <carpediembaby> Hello, I am trying to install cuda 10 on an ubuntu machine and i am unable to get past installing nvidia drivers. It seems there are some conflicts. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/x72mQ23j56/
[12:48] <hateball> uberwag: looking at this https://github.com/neutrinolabs/xrdp/issues/909 it seems xrdp doesnt log the IP of the failed auth so... cant really ban
[12:49] <uberwag> hateball: ok and there is not an alternative to xrdp for ubuntu right?
[12:49] <uberwag> except using vnc
[12:50] <hateball> uberwag: there is x2vnc, but I have no experience with it
[12:50] <uberwag> ok
[12:50] <ioria> carpediembaby, and why do you have different versions of nvidia drivers ?
[12:52] <carpediembaby> ioria, i guess there are versions installed previously. But now it is some kind of mess and apt is in a broken state where it wants to always install 'cuda-drivers' using 'apt --fix-broken install'
[12:53] <carpediembaby> ioria and installing the cuda drivers doesn't work because the nvidia-410 driver fails to install
[12:53] <ioria> carpediembaby, a solution might be   sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/libnvidia-gl-410_410.78-0ubuntu1~gpu18.04.1_amd64.deb  ; but really idk what are you doing down there
[12:56] <carpediembaby> ioria i just want to install the new cuda / cudnn libraries
[12:56] <carpediembaby> ioria but there seems to be already a ton of cuda/cudnn installed on the machine
[13:33] <uzee> It was a network issue causing the kickstart file to fail, my bad :( didn't notice it right away...
[13:35] <TJ-> uzee: oh, pain!
[13:35] <TJ-> uzee: at least you got to learn about initramfs :)
[13:36] <uzee> TJ: oh absolutely :) no regrest there
[13:36] <uzee> I still have to make a 'good' ks file though, at the initial stage i just wanted to make sure things work so that i can later add whats needed
[13:37] <uzee> regrest=regrets
[13:37] <TJ-> uzee: right; one trick I've used when needing to test the init scripts is to add "set -x" to the top of /usr/share/initramfs-tools/init so when the initrd is run by the kernel you get to see what it is doing :)
[13:38] <ss942> I'm using Fedora on my daily, and we have an tool to find packages in dnf is there something like this for ubuntu?
[13:38] <ss942> btw I'm looking for pdo_msql, pdo_pgsql, mbstring, postgis
[13:38] <TJ-> uzee: obviously you need to rebuild the initrd.img after adding that
[13:38] <uzee> TJ: thanks thats a useful suggestion...
[13:38] <TJ-> ss942: "apt-cache search -n <package-name-fragment."
[13:39] <Discover__> Hello, I'm trying to add a script that sends me mail on system startup and shutdown , the script is under /etc/init.d/bootmail (https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/V9w5gRnGSR/)
[13:39] <Discover__> I used "sudo update-rc.d bootmail defaults"
[13:39] <Discover__> but it does not work, any idea ?
[13:40] <Discover__> PS: the file is executable and it works when I run it manually
[13:40] <TJ-> !info php-mbstring | ss942
[13:41] <ss942> TJ-: thank you very much
[13:41] <TJ-> ss942: but I don't find any packages that look relavent with "pdo" in their name
[13:42] <TJ-> !info php-db | ss942 I *think* in Debian/Ubuntu it is
[13:43] <TJ-> ss942: that package's extended description ("apt-cache show php-db") says "... fbsql, ibase, informix, msql, mssql, mysql, mysqli, oci8, odbc, pgsql,
[13:43] <TJ->  sqlite and sybase.
[13:44] <geodb27> People : hi ! I've upgraded my kubuntu laptop from 16.04 with 18.04 with relative success (do-release-upgrade). Indeed, after boot, the sddm refuses do do anything when my user's password is entered (nothing happens at all). If I want to get my desktop, I must go to a terminal (Ctrl+Alt+F2), log in as root and issue "systemctl restart sddm". According to you, where can I get informations about this behaviour ? I've already checked journalctl and
[13:44] <geodb27> some logs in /var/log but with no success...
[13:47] <BluesKaj> geodb27, have you updated and upgraded since the install?
[13:48] <geodb27> BluesKaj: indeed, I've done that. But I come to think that there is a problem with my /tmp... However, I don't know what exactly and don't know where to look for.
[13:49] <dreamer> wth, systemd changed my hostname _again_
[13:52] <blackflow> !details | dreamer
[13:54] <uzee> i did notice one thing during the installation that it errored for a bad archive mirror
[13:56] <BluesKaj> geodb27, I had a similar problem with Kubuntu 18.04. Think I enabled sddm first then started it and it held
[13:56] <geodb27> BluesKaj: how did you do that ?
[13:57] <BluesKaj> sudo systemctl enable sddm, then sudo systemctl start sddm
[13:58] <geodb27> To be more specific about my assumptions : I have another problem with snap lxd (since the upgrade). The problem resides (for the lxd part) with the command "lxc profile edit default" which throws an error about a tmp file that can't be read /tmp/FDSFDSFDS/plop.
[13:58] <uzee> Here's the screenshot: https://pasteboard.co/HOXD7lG.png
[13:59] <uzee> The boot disk I attached to the console was ubuntu 18 and the kickstart I was trying was for ubuntu 16, I believe thats causing some issue
[13:59] <BluesKaj> geodb27, hope some one else can help with snap, since i don't bother with it
[14:00] <geodb27> However, when I do "systemctl stop run-snapd-ns-lxd.mnt.mount" the "lxc profile edit default" runs fine. So, what I suspect is that things come in this order : sddm is started at boot time, then the run-snapd-ns-lxd.mnt.mount is ran and it somehow remounts something over /tmp. That could explain why sddm fails.
[14:00] <uzee> After the error, it gives you the option to provide or edit the mirror path, and if I change the path to ubuntu 18 directory, the installation continues.
[14:01] <geodb27> If only I could see how things go... That would help me a lot, but these mounts are namespace-based and it is quite hard (for me) to look in the right direction.
[14:21] <Discover__> I'm trying to add a script that sends me mail on system startup and shutdown , the script is under /etc/init.d/bootmail (https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/V9w5gRnGSR/)  , any idea ?
[14:43] <Discover__> How can i list all services running on startup ?
[14:43] <blackflow> Discover__: which ubuntu? why not a systemd service? you also need to schedule this _after_ network is up and working, in order to send out mail
[14:44] <blackflow> Discover__: which ubuntu
[15:04] <thanzex> Hi! is there anywhere i can find what everything in the ubuntu.css corresponds to? i'm trying to edit some colors in the login page and i can't seem to find the right element
[15:13] <viktor> if you have a BIOS power on password set, do you still need to require your account password to log in to be secure?
[15:15] <thanzex> viktor: if your computer is turned on / sleeping it's completely open without password, as the name implies, the power on password is used only when you power the computer from complete power off/hybernation.
[15:17] <viktor> thanzex, if it goes to lockscreen / suspend it'll still require a passw to use again.
[15:18] <thanzex> then again, it depends on what you mean by secure
[15:18] <thanzex> if the drive is unencrypted, you're still not 100% secure
[15:20] <viktor> thanzex, i'd like my files to be safe if my computer is stolen/lost/... My home folder's encrypted. the drive isn't
[15:28] <viktor> in other words, if i set the OS to log in automatically without entering the passw, could you put the SDD into another computer and access all my files?
[15:35] <BluesKaj> most likely, depends on HW , but if it was used in a usb enclosre then yes
[15:37] <viktor> BluesKaj, so a log in passw is still essential? in which case a power on passw is redundant?
[15:38] <BluesKaj> never used a power on pw, do you mean from sleep or ?
[15:38] <BluesKaj> viktor,^
[15:39] <viktor> BluesKaj, from boot
[15:40] <EriC^^> viktor: that's pretty easy to bypass
[15:40] <EriC^^> i'd say use a good password for the home encryption and you'd be good
[15:41] <BluesKaj> I never use auto-login, always thought it was dangerous
[15:41] <EriC^^> 6-9 alpha-numeric-casesensitive and specialchars
[15:45] <TJ-> viktor: if you're using ecryptfs and autologin the ecryptfs won't be unlocked unless youre providing the pass-phrase manually
[15:45] <TJ-> viktor: usually the passphrase for ecryptfs is synced to the user account password, so it can be unlocked seamlessly at log-in. With autologin that password is never available
[15:46] <yuradoc> Hello guys. what's wrong with my mount config. i have several configs for one partion:
[15:46] <yuradoc> "/dev/sda7 /media/yuriy/work   ext4  defaults       0  0  "
[15:46] <yuradoc> "/media/yuriy/work/storage/mysql_data /var/lib/mysql none rw,bind 0 0"
[15:46] <viktor> TJ- so the only use for a power on passw is to annoy a potential thief?
[15:46] <yuradoc> hey do what i need
[15:46] <yuradoc> sorry, wrong sentence
[15:47] <yuradoc> *they do what i need
[15:47] <yuradoc> the problem with dolphin file manager - for some reason it show me - can not enter folder /var/lib/mysql, whe i try to open /media/yuriy/work
[15:47] <yuradoc> when i do "cd /media/yuriy/work" in terminal it shows me files correcly
[15:47] <ss942> Someone wrote that: PHP (CLI) 5.4 or above,   PDO_MYSQL,  PDO_PGSQL,  mbstring,  postgis - should be installed and ENABLED to run his script
[15:47] <ss942> does it mean that after installation of these all things I should just run php server? or is there something more to do?
[15:48] <yuradoc> those configs from fstab file
[15:48] <TJ-> viktor: BIOS password is only going to prevent that PC from starting, or access to its firmware setup *UNLESS* it is also used as a hard disk encryption password
[15:50] <viktor> TJ-, if it doesn't start, it can't be used right? (sorry if that's a dumb question
[15:51] <TJ-> viktor: right, but if the SSD/HDD is not protected it only needs moving to another system
[15:51] <TJ-> viktor: as always, the devil is in the detail of the specific implementation
[15:54] <viktor> okay, gotta go. thanks everybody for your insights
[16:09] <Voziv> Anyone know why on every reboot I need to plug my usb sound card (Scarlett 2i2) in order for it to be recognized in my sound settings? ubuntu 18.04
[16:27] <BluesKaj> Voziv, which audio chip and driver does it use ?
[16:28] <Voziv> BluesKaj: How would I check that?
[16:29] <BluesKaj> Voziv, cat /proc/asound/modules
[16:29] <canori01> Is anyone else having problems setting bridge mtu's through netplan?
[16:31] <Voziv> BluesKaj: 2 snd_usb_audio, rebooting to see what's listed before I replug it in (when it's not working)
[16:39] <BluesKaj> Voziv, you have to make it Card 0 default..add this line to the bottom of /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf.  ' options snd_usb_audio index=0  Also comment the line (with a # in front) that has, usb index=-2
[16:42] <ash_worksi> anyone else having the problem where google hangouts extension isn't showing up in the system tray?
[16:49] <ghost2911> hello. when I run nmcli d it shows that my wifi interface is unmanaged what does it mean ?
[16:49] <ash_worksi> actually, come to think of it, the system tray icon for chromium should be present and it's not either
[16:52] <Voziv> BluesKaj: When I reboot the snd_usb_audio no longer shows up under /proc/asound/modules. Though my usb card has power
[16:54] <BluesKaj> Voziv, you have to make it Card 0 default..add this line to the bottom of /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf.  ' options snd_usb_audio index=0  Also comment the line (with a # in front) that has, usb index=-2
[16:54] <BluesKaj> leave the usb audio plugged inthis time
[16:56] <BluesKaj> there's no absolute guarantee this option will work, usb audio is difficult at best on linux
[16:56] <Voziv> BluesKaj: I did that, left it plugged in and rebooted, still no go
[16:58] <BluesKaj> Voziv, ok let us see your alsamixer setup in a url paste site
[16:59] <BluesKaj> also you have to reboot after editing that modprobe file
[16:59] <Voziv> BluesKaj: Yep, I did reboot after editing
[16:59] <BluesKaj> ok
[17:00] <Voziv> The usb audio card doesn't show up under lsusb either until I replug it in
[17:02] <BluesKaj>  Voziv you probly have to blacklist your onboard audio driver in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf as well
[17:04] <Voziv> Wouldn't that prevent my onboard audio from working? That's definitely not what I want to have happen
[17:04] <ioria> Voziv, can you try rebooting and run 'sudo killall fwupd' and check again ?
[17:04] <Voziv> My Scarlett 2i2 is there for recording, I still play back audio through the onboard audio
[17:06] <Voziv> ioria: What's the purpose of the reboot? If it's for the sound card to be in error state I haven't replugged ti in since last reboot. Running `sudo killall fwupd` and checking my sound settings the card still doesn't show up :(
[17:06] <ioria> Voziv, yes,itwas for that
[17:07] <BluesKaj> Voziv, then change the setting in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf. to index=1 so it's the 2nd deafult audio driver
[17:09] <ioria> Voziv, was reading this : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fwupd/+bug/1574079
[17:18] <Voziv> Hmm, looking at my syslog, I don't see it being registered until after I re-plug it in. Going to test a different port
[17:18] <ioria> Voziv, you can also try to load the modulemanually
[17:19] <AlexPortable> I found a tutorial for debian stretch, wheezy and jessie. Which of these would be the best of use when running Ubuntu 14.04?
[17:21] <ioria> AlexPortable, cat /etc/debian_version
[17:22] <ioria> AlexPortable, should be jessie  / sid
[17:27] <Voziv> Same issue with a different usb port. Howevre the changes to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf index caused the sound card not to be able to load at all (both setting the index to 0 and 1. Setting it back to -2 allows it to work correctly).
[17:28] <Voziv> However still nothing on lsusb at boot, really weird
[17:28] <ioria> Voziv, have you tried to load the module manually ?
[17:28] <Voziv> ioria: How do I do that?
[17:29] <ioria> Voziv, sudo modprobe   snd_usb_audio
[17:29] <lotuspsychje> Voziv: i would also suggest a tail -f /var/log/syslog and plugin your device, pastebin us the errors
[17:33] <Voziv> ioria: No luck with modprobe. I just got "Nov 26 12:31:30 lrobert-pc kernel: [  121.081258] usbcore: registered new interface driver snd-usb-audio" but it doesn't show up anywhere.
[17:33] <Voziv> lotuspsychje: Unplugging and plugging back in the interface works just fine. The issue is that I have to do that every reboot.
[17:34] <TJ-> Voziv: that sounds like a system firmware ACPI issue with ports
[17:35] <TJ-> Voziv: can you show us "pastebin <( dmesg )" ?
[17:40] <Voziv> TJ-: https://gist.github.com/Voziv/25e0fa09920ac6586bb827d2f330a532
[17:41] <Voziv> Do note at  121.081258 is where I unplugged and plugged it back in
[17:48] <TJ-> Voziv: how many USB ports does it have physically? I've counted over 40 so far!
[17:50] <TJ-> Voziv: also, there may be RAID issues: "[ 1.794289] device-mapper: table: 253:0: striped: Couldn't parse stripe destination"
[17:53] <andai> any way to resize and move root partition without booting live usb?
[17:54] <EriC^^> andai: move you mean to another hdd or on the same hdd?
[17:54] <TJ-> Voziv: the "Scarlett 2i2 USB" is USB3? The data I see on it says it is USB2
[17:55] <andai> EriC^^: same disk
[17:55] <TJ-> andai: yes, if you pre-prepare the initrd.img with the required tools
[17:55] <TJ-> andai: but it is an expert-level operation
[17:56] <andai> TJ-: EriC^^: i just didn't feel like getting up and looking for the USB stick haha
[17:56] <andai> found it
[17:56] <andai> thanks
[17:57] <TJ-> andai: lazy mooo! :D
[17:58] <cognition> pt install <package name>" asks for Y/n, sometimes it does not
[17:58] <teward> cognition: if a package install requires any *extra* packages to be installed it will ask to confirm the action
[17:58] <teward> if a package has no additional dependencies that it needs to install, it won't prompt.
[17:59] <cognition> teward: TY; "extra" as in "not in cache"?
[17:59] <lordcirth> extra as in not installed
[17:59] <cognition> k
[17:59] <cognition> ty
[17:59] <lordcirth> If you say "install x" and it can just do that, it does it.  If it would have to change anything else, like installing dependencies, it will ask
[18:00] <WBILL> i just enabled ssh on my ubuntu machine for the config file should i use PermitRootLogin no or PermitRootLogin prohibit-password
[18:00] <cognition> ordcirth: TY
[18:00] <WBILL> ??
[18:02] <AlexPortable> Trying to calibrate my monitor, but it's not working correctly. I press and it just presses somewhere randomly
[18:02] <AlexPortable> ioria: thanks
[18:02] <lordcirth> WBILL, best to ban root ssh logins unless you have a good reason otherwise
[18:03] <lordcirth> If you do need to do it, prohibit-password will allow only ssh keys, which is good
[18:03] <AlexPortable> I used xinput_calibrator, but to no avail
[18:06] <WBILL> ok lordcirth which is the no option then?
[18:06] <WBILL> ut i can still sudo in that state right??
[18:07] <WBILL> ut=but
[18:11] <lordcirth> WBILL, "PermitRootLogin no" will ban all ssh logins as root.  It will not interfere with any other method of becoming root
[18:11] <WBILL> ty
[18:11] <lordcirth> Who can sudo is governed by /etc/sudoers
[18:12] <AlexPortable> anyone?
[18:14] <lordcirth> AlexPortable, this is a touchscreen?  Probably not many people here have touchscreens.
[18:16] <AlexPortable> lordcirth: yes
[18:25] <Dbugger> Does anyone know if the Logitech Unifying Receiver can be used to detect other bluetooth components?
[18:26] <Voziv> TJ-: Sorry, had to run out for a moment. The computer has 8 ports on the motherboard, 4 on the case, and 2 on my keyboard. Not sure if docker would have anything to do with extra usb devices (I know it adds a bunch of extra network adapters)
[18:26] <Voziv> There's nothing using raid, so not sure what that message is about
[18:28] <TJ-> Voziv: it looks like some RAID-0 metadata is being detected
[18:28] <TJ-> Voziv: I've seen some issues whereby a USB2 device plugged into a USB3 port doesn't get detected properly
[18:29] <TJ-> Voziv: are there USB2 only ports you can test it on?
[18:29] <Voziv> TJ-: So the original port it was plugged into was USB2
[18:29] <Voziv> I switched between a few different ports today during debugging to rule out that it was a port issue
[18:30] <AlexPortable> got the touchscreen to work a bit, but how do I let touches on the touch monitor actually apply to the touch monitor? right now i'm touching and it's clicking something on the main monitor
[18:30] <ioria> Voziv, other posts confirm that the workaround mentioned at the end of the bug report i linked should work, but if it's not the case maybe it's about xhci_hcd
[18:32] <Voziv> ioria: No clue, but that workaround didn't work for me
[18:32] <ioria> ok
[18:33] <tgm4883> Dbugger: it's not bluetooth, so no?
[18:34] <TJ-> Voziv: USB3 ports are coloured blue; are there any 'black' or 'white' ports?
[18:34] <Dbugger> tgm4883, is not bluetooth?
[18:34] <tgm4883> Dbugger: not that I can see
[18:35] <Dbugger> tgm4883, what wireless technology is it then?
[18:36] <tgm4883> Dbugger: RF
[18:37] <tgm4883> Dbugger: it appears to be some proprietary logitech thing
[18:41] <Voziv> TJ-: Yep I know the difference between the ports. In my case they're red on the motherboard, black on the case itself
[18:44] <Voziv> For what it's worth, here's what my bios settings are looking like. I just tried disabling the windows 8/8.1 feature of the bios as well with no luck.
[18:44] <Voziv> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/idl04pkz3ov26ft/AAADphfHY3dLXiRliLP4d_yQa?dl=0
[18:51] <Dbugger> tgm4883, oh well. thanks for the info
[19:03] <mirazi_heket> hello, on some websites text in firefox is white like picrel https://pasteboard.co/HOZCR8E.png , note im using dark theme, anyone have clue how to fix that?
[19:10] <TJ-> Voziv: long shot but I'm wondering if you can influence it with the acpi_osi= workaround. Read this: http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[19:12] <qwerty1793> Hi, does anyone know how I can program my 18.04 laptop to stop charging at certain times of the day. I live where there is spot pricing so I want my laptop to only run on battery when the price of electricity is high. Thansk
[19:16] <Voziv> TJ-: Heh. Running that script I got: ERROR: isw: wrong number of devices in RAID set "isw_ddfbjdficc_BigRaid" [2/3] on /dev/sdb
[19:16] <hggdh> qwerty1793: there is no such way, except by unplugging the laptop. On the other hand, IF the battery is fully charged, then there is just s triclke charge coming thru the wire (unless you are actually using the laptop, then it will use more power)
[19:17] <hggdh> qwerty1793: in other words: the only option is to unplug the laptop.
[19:17] <TJ-> Voziv: looks like there's some remnant of an old Intel fakeRAID on the disk
[19:17] <Voziv> I believe it worked properly, but confirms the raid issue. Where would the raid metadata be kept? It's quite possible these old 2tb drives have super old raid data from 2010~ ish
[19:17] <Voziv> But they've been formatted as a single partition for a very long time now
[19:18] <TJ-> Voziv: there must be metadata left over in slack space
[19:20] <Voziv> Should I bother with trying to remove that? If so any tips on what to google?
[19:22] <dhruvasagar> Hi, I am on ubuntu 18.10 gnome3, how can I set an application to show on all workspaces / always show on current workspace ?
[19:22] <Ben64> probably right click titlebar and select the option you want
[19:23] <Bashing-om> Voziv: TJ- Might want to look at what 'wipefs' reports .. homework: ' man wipefs '
[19:23] <dhruvasagar> Ben64: interesting, never saw that / read about it, thanks
[19:26] <Voziv> TJ-: After rebooting with the grub changes, still no luck
[19:26] <Voziv> Bashing-om: Will read, thanks
[19:27] <Bashing-om> Voziv: Used properly - the command will just list all visible filesystems (and in this case, RAID metadata) and their offsets.
[19:29] <TJ-> Voziv: darn!
[19:39] <Voziv> Bashing-om: Looks to have worked, though I'll need to reboot into windows later to double check the contents of the drives. I did make backups though
[19:48] <Bashing-om> Voziv: :)
[19:49] <Voziv> Sidenote: Discord doing really weird things apparently. I noticed in dmesg that it's trying to open other snaps for whatever reason
[19:49] <pjs> Don't suppose anyone has the firmware files for a Fujitsu ScanSnap S1100 scanner? seemes there used to a github repo that's now gone with them and I can't get sane to recognize my scanner without it
[19:51] <pjs> 1100_0B00.nal and/or 1100_0A00.nal
[19:53] <wwwi> hello
[19:53] <wwwi> how do I install a git server?
[19:55] <leftyfb> wwwi: how far have you got with it?
[19:56] <wwwi> leftyfb, I installed git locally, on my PC.
[19:56] <leftyfb> wwwi: the git client or git server?
[19:57] <wwwi> leftyfb, I don't know, just git.
[19:57] <leftyfb> wwwi: why do you need a git server?
[19:57] <wwwi> leftyfb, so that I can use git version control.
[19:58] <leftyfb> wwwi: you do not need to install your own git server to do that
[19:58] <wwwi> leftyfb, why not?
[19:58] <wwwi> leftyfb, I want to upload code remotely.
[19:59] <leftyfb> wwwi: http://rogerdudler.github.io/git-guide/  first result on google for "how to use git"   ... since you already have the git client installed, you do not need to follow the instructions on installing it. Just read on how to use it.
[19:59] <leftyfb> wwwi: If you want to upload(push) to a remote location, why not just use github or gitlab?
[19:59] <wwwi> leftyfb, ok, thanks.
[20:00] <Pdrome> can someone tell if i am going about this the wrong way or not... failing hdd wanted to use gddrescue and/or gddrescue-gui but trying to in old version of ubuntu i think 8.04 lts
[20:00] <wwwi> leftyfb, yes, I think I will use gitlab.
[20:08] <WiseMonk> hello
[20:08] <WiseMonk> How can I make the opposite or swap? i.e. making a partition in the RAM where I can store files?
[20:10] <ioria> mmap
[20:12] <Pdrome> wisemonk search for 'ubuntu ramdisk'
[20:12] <Pdrome> eg duckduckgo or google
[20:12] <lotuspsychje> !google | Pdrome
[20:13] <OerHeks> swap in ram is faster, but missing the point imho
[20:13] <Pdrome> i know lotus, at least i said DDG first ;o)
[20:14] <Pdrome> ubottu, i only replied so they knew where to start as i cant give an exact answer myself but gotta be better than noone answering wisemonk, right?
[20:14] <Pdrome> haha doh
[20:15] <lotuspsychje> Pdrome: we try to focus on actually helpin in the channel :p
[20:15] <Pdrome> in that case i will go back to asking for help myself then ;o)
[20:16] <Pdrome> can someone tell if i am going about this the wrong way or not... failing hdd wanted to use gddrescue and/or gddrescue-gui but trying to in old version of ubuntu i think 8.04 lts
[20:16] <Pdrome> is trying to do the above impossible on very old ubuntu versions eg gnuddrescue ?
[20:16] <lotuspsychje> we also dont support eol versions Pdrome
[20:17] <Pdrome> excellent - i guess that actually answers my general question then
[20:17] <Pdrome> i will try the latest live cd
[20:17] <OerHeks> it that tool came with 8.04, it should do the job
[20:17] <lotuspsychje> Pdrome: great idea, use a version from the topic
[20:17] <OerHeks> yes, from live iso, not from the broken hdd itself
[20:17] <Pdrome> no worries, wish me luck
[20:18] <lotuspsychje> luck
[20:19] <Pdrome> it is an old pvr hdd, is xfs an old and dead format now or should a supported version of ubuntu be able to handle xfs?
[20:20] <OerHeks> maybe xfs repair
[20:20] <OerHeks> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/bionic/man8/xfs_repair.8.html
[20:20] <Pdrome> gotta be honest, i have used ubuntu on and off for about 10 years but these kind of things i am not aware enough
[20:21] <Pdrome> OerHeks, i cant do that as the hdd i think has developed bad sectors so i need to image it to a spare drive asap
[20:22] <Pdrome> thanks for the link, just having a nosey
[20:22] <Pdrome> actually, i have already tried that using GPartEd
[20:22] <Pdrome> it failed
[20:23] <Pdrome> i tried that last week (and likely did more damage to it by attempting repair )
[20:24] <genii> !ddrescue
[20:24] <genii> Hm
[20:27] <Pdrome> was that to me genii?
[20:28] <lotuspsychje> genii: precise got it
[20:29] <genii> Pdrome: A good idea when imaging a flaky drive is use ddrescue of the drive to an image file on a larger drive, it will keep continuing if errors are encountered. Then work on the image file to try and recover data instead of directly on the suspect drive
[20:30] <Pdrome> that is what i am now hoping to do
[20:30] <Pdrome> but should i use ddrescue or gddrescue?
[20:31] <genii> gddrescue is more recent
[20:31] <coconut> Is a swap partition still needed or advised when there is 16 or 32 GB ram in pc?
[20:32] <vach0n> As I understand it, swap is mostly used on low-end PC's. I don't use it on my laptop with 8GB of RAM :)
[20:32] <vach0n> But don't take my word for it. I'm still fairly new to linux myself :)
[20:32] <Pdrome> Thanks genii, I take it I should be able to work with a pvr xfs hdd imaging to a 2tb hdd in recent supported versions of ubuntu correct?
[20:33] <Pdrome> as I am under the impression that xfs is quite an old format so wasn't sure if it is obselete etc
[20:34] <lordcirth> xfs, though a later version, is still used frequently
[20:34] <ioria> |gddrescue
[20:34] <genii> !info xfsprogs
[20:35] <genii> Pdrome: The package the bot mentions has the xfs support to be able to mount a nd work with it
[20:35] <Pdrome> the reason i ask is that i had a lot of grief 2 weeks ago and was here asking about specifically grabbing on old version of xfsprogs as another pvr drive i was working with needed an old version of xfsprog for superblock v1 i think
[20:36] <bjonnh> what is wrong with that source.list : "deb http://maven.xwiki.org releases"
[20:37] <Pdrome> this is why i am now wondering if i should be using a specific version of ubuntu and or xfsprogs and or ddrescue etc for this very old pvr drive formatted around 2009 or 2010 that is failing
[20:37] <coconut> vach0n: i have more or less the same opinion about it. Dunno whether it is the right vision about it though.
[20:38] <OerHeks> bjonnh, maven is not in our repos, what guide did you follow?
[20:39] <OerHeks> or wait, it is https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/maven
[20:39] <blackflow> coconut: I'd always use some swap, there's always some memory unused by the (increasingly) bloated software we use today. right now, my 8GB desktop workstation uses around 1.2G of swap. and I have Firefox open and PyCharm python IDE snap.
[20:40] <Pdrome> coconut i know in windows that not having a swap can cause games to crash and also if you ever run so much that you fill your memory and dont have a swap... you are likely to get error messages but regarding in ubuntu i cant really say - my best advice would be to advise you to see how much of your memory you use at most then judge it that way
[20:41] <Pdrome> i just want to thank everyone who answered and helped me, i am now off to try the 18.10 live dvd
[20:43] <bjonnh> OerHeks: https://maven.xwiki.org/releases/xwiki-releases.list
[20:43] <bjonnh> OerHeks: https://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Documentation/AdminGuide/Installation/InstallationViaAPT/
[20:43] <bjonnh> I just forgot the leading /
[20:44] <bjonnh> (I'm making an ansible playbook for it)
[20:45] <coconut> :)
[20:45] <OerHeks> but bionic gives the latest version too..
[20:45] <OerHeks> !info maven bionic
[20:47] <OerHeks> ah, i think it is the https..
[20:49] <OerHeks> !info apt-transport-https
[20:50] <OerHeks> that should fix that, not sure how to do this with ansible/chef etc
[20:54] <bjonnh> OerHeks: this is not maven
[20:54] <bjonnh> OerHeks: it is xwiki
[20:54] <OerHeks> oh oke
[20:54] <bjonnh> maven is just the name of the machine hosting those xwiki packages
[20:55] <OerHeks> yes, apache-maven
[20:55] <OerHeks> well, https tool should be able to give you what you need
[20:58] <Pdrome> was the last 32bit ubuntu 16.04?
[20:58] <bjonnh> OerHeks: it had nothing to do with that, it was just that I was missing the last /
[21:00] <WiseMonk> thanks Pdrome, I guess ramdisk was what I was looking for :D  , should'd use the term google for it i think, haha
[21:01] <Pdrome> tbh i knew i was on thin ice using the G word around here... ;o)
[21:26] <Pdrome> to answer my own question - looks like 16.04 is last LTS version of 32bit... guess my old pentium 4 will be put to rest in 2021 :o(
[21:27] <teward> Pdrome: you can install 32bit 16.04 and then upgrade it, i386 isn't *gone* it's just that the 32bit installers are "mostly" not produced
[21:27] <teward> I think Lubuntu is one of the few flavors taht still produces a 32bit installation ISO...
[21:27] <teward> (don't quote me on that, I just know the main Ubuntu versions don't have 32bit installer ISOs anymore)
[21:27] <Bashing-om> Pdrome: Xubuntu still supports 32 bit .. but that too is on the way out .
[21:28] <Pdrome> oh right, intersting cheers teward
[21:28] <Pdrome> and Bashing-om
[21:31] <teward> Pdrome: I think even though Xubuntu still supports 32bit the Lubuntu team doesn't yet want to totally drop 32bit ISOs
[21:31] <teward> at least from my knowledge of what their project manager is after lol
[21:31] <teward> and you're welcome :)
[21:32] <lordcirth> The lower-resource distros sticking with 32bit for a bit longer makes sense
[21:32] <Pdrome> as I still have my old pentium 4 build working normally I would be moaning...but now after so long... even i get them slowly dropping 32 bit
[21:32] <salamanderrake> What is the ubuntu (tm) method of reloading your desktop gui after a driver update, a full-reboot or just start and stop sddm or what ever the unity one is?
[21:32] <leftyfb> salamanderrake: which version of ubuntu?
[21:32] <Pdrome> just kinda sad when the hardware will likely work long after we all stop using 32bit
[21:33] <salamanderrake> 18.04
[21:33] <leftyfb> salamanderrake: try: sudo systemctl restart gdm
[21:33] <salamanderrake> ok
[21:33] <lordcirth> I usually just reboot, restarting gdm would kill most things you're interested in anyway
[21:33] <salamanderrake> so business as usual.
[21:34] <salamanderrake> Anyone able to install the nvidia drivers with clang set for cc and c++?
[21:36] <leftyfb> salamanderrake: sudo apt install nvidia-driver-390
[21:37] <salamanderrake> What I mean is, if I try and install it with clang as the system compiler, it doesn't want to load, and I have to switch it back to gcc/g++ before install the nvidia drivers.
[21:38] <leftyfb> salamanderrake: using the package? It shouldn't matter.
[21:39] <salamanderrake> The driver doesn't load, and I think it may have to do with some incompatibilbies with the kernal/X begin compiled with gcc and the driver bits(what ever it compiles) as compiled with clang
[21:40] <salamanderrake> when I start it up it goes straight to black and stays there.
[21:40] <Pdrome> when i was reading up on compilers for gamedev, arent there subtle differences between comilers even for the same languages? that was my takeaway from my intial research
[21:40] <salamanderrake> not supposed to be
[21:40] <salamanderrake> especially after c++14/17
[21:42] <Pdrome> i am very early days as a compiled language dev though so it's all new to me
[21:47] <Pdrome> if i need to use ubuntu and windows 10, which method is the optimal, ubuntu as the host os or win10? (would be for gamedev and running games)
[21:49] <salamanderrake> Why not just use wine, unless your playing SpaceEngineers it should work for the most part, and what doesn't report it to wine developers
[21:50] <Pdrome> well the reason i ask is that i have some some serious dev efforts to get games running well actually on linux these days, also from testing my game point of view, i wouldnt want misleading performance eg if there was a significant fps loss in the ubuntu vm or vice versa
[21:50] <blackflow> or even better, Steam's Proton
[21:50] <Pdrome> i have seen some serious dev efforts
[21:52] <Pdrome> i am torn between a dual boot of ubuntu with win10 or maybe just one has host OS and the other as a VM... its been ages since i ran VM OS and just wondered what the general concensus was these days
[21:53] <Pdrome> back 8-10 years ago when i last used Wine it was really hit and miss, has it come along much in the last decade then?
[21:54] <tgm4883> Pdrome: depends on the game
[21:55] <Pdrome> oh! proton is a fork of wine... interesting
[21:55] <blackflow> Pdrome: it's even easier than that:  https://askubuntu.com/questions/1073514/how-do-i-get-proton-on-steam-to-work
[21:56] <Pdrome> i think i will dual boot and test performance under native ubuntu regarding games and then after my findings will try a vm to see if there is much loss
[21:57] <blackflow> Pdrome: you can't play in a VM tho'
[21:57] <blackflow> unless you run gpu pci passthrough
[21:58] <Pdrome> yeah blackflow that is what i was thinking to plan to do ...use gpu passthrough via the vm tools etc as that is what i did a decade ago when the feature first launched
[21:58] <Pdrome> is that a bad idea then?
[21:59] <Pdrome> so proton is just a few checkboxes - nice
[21:59] <blackflow> Pdrome: you did what a decade ago
[21:59] <Pdrome> gpu passthrough on a vm
[22:00] <Pdrome> cant remember exactly how may have been on windows using virtualbox or vmware but cant recall after so long
[22:01] <computa_mike> Hi.. I have a tar question... Now I must admit that this was something I noticed on mac but I think it's more of a general thing. I was tar-ing up a nodsjs app and noticed that the node_modules folder missed the modules (folders) starting @.. Is that a thing?
[22:02] <OerHeks> mac issue .. who knows?
[22:03] <OerHeks> try ##apple or ##linux, generally speaking
[22:04] <YADW> Hello, having some trouble installing ubuntu 18.04 LTS on an x64 pc. Basically, grub fails installing
[22:04] <YADW> And ubiquity just crashes
[22:05] <blackflow> Pdrome: I keep planning to try gpu passthrough but..... stuff just works with wine and proton that so far I didn't need to even try it.
[22:05] <YADW> I tried installing grub with install-grub /dev/sda from a live usb drive, getting this > grub-install: error: failed to get canonical path of `/cow'.
[22:05] <OerHeks> YADW, on what hardware is this? UEFI bios perhaps?
[22:06] <computa_mike> I'll try it on my Ubuntu build server tomorrow when I get in... I wasn't sure if there would be an irc for tar or if #ubuntu would be the place but it does seem more upstream...
[22:06] <YADW> OerHeks UEFI is the most likely guess, it's an HP z240
[22:06] <blackflow> computa_mike: which tar is on a mac, tho'. gnu tar or bsd tar
[22:07] <blackflow> iirc bsdtar had..... less agility and less options
[22:07] <YADW> Also worth noting I'm installing alongside with window$ 10
[22:08] <OerHeks> should be doable, diable secureboot, see the uefi manul
[22:08] <OerHeks> !uefi
[22:09] <Pdrome> YADW is use a HP Z400 no issues, but i have read that windows 10 with ubuntu installed can be a bit of a pain
[22:09] <Pdrome> I use a HP Z400
[22:10] <YADW> OerHecks you sure it's got something to do with secureboot? Live usb drives boot alright and hard disk partitions are writable
[22:10] <YADW> OerHeks*
[22:11] <OerHeks> oh, fastboot it is
[22:11] <YADW> fastboot on windows is disabled, I'm afraid
[22:13] <Pdrome> arrggh 16.04 is unity, rip my gnome familiarity
[22:13] <salamanderrake> I hope who ever decided to divide up the nvidia binary install into a billion packages burns in hell.
[22:14] <Pdrome> salamanderrake - they might IRL if they have ones of those faulty RTX cards...
[22:14] <OerHeks> no need for that, salamanderrake , keep this channel family friendly
[22:24] <gordonjcp> hi folks
[22:24] <gordonjcp> I'm having a really strange issue with DNS lookups in Ubuntu 18.04
[22:24] <gordonjcp> I can look up anything except hosts on my local network, it's like it's completely ignoring the DNS server in the router
[22:27] <ikonia> what is the dns server your host is set to use
[22:30] <gordonjcp> ikonia: the desktop?  According to the DHCP lease it was handed, the router
[22:30] <ikonia> gordonjcp: do an nslookup and set server=$your_router_dns and test it
[22:30] <jaziz> how do I go about resolving "connection refused?"
[22:30] <jaziz> trying to ssh to my vpn
[22:30] <gordonjcp> ikonia: it doesn't attempt to request DNS from that, though, unless I specify it with dig
[22:30] <jaziz> *vps
[22:30] <ikonia> that way you know if the dns server can actually resolve things
[22:30] <jaziz> I can access it through kvm
[22:30] <gordonjcp> ikonia: it can
[22:31] <ikonia> gordonjcp: ok - so you need to know for sure that your desktop is actually using
[22:31] <tgm4883> gordonjcp: are you specifying just the hostname or the FQDN?
[22:31] <ikonia> I assume resolv.conf shows localhost
[22:31] <gordonjcp> tgm4883: just the hostname, but that doesn't matter
[22:31] <ikonia> jaziz: make sure sshd is running
[22:31] <jaziz> also if anyone wants to verify that it refuses connection feel free to try ssh'ing to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:31] <gordonjcp> tgm4883: if I specify an fqdn it still does not attempt to use the local DNS
[22:32] <gordonjcp> ikonia: yup, <IP_ADDRESS> which seems a bit weird
[22:32] <ikonia> nope, that's perfect
[22:32] <ikonia> that's dnsmasq working as designed
[22:32] <ikonia> try "nmcli dev show | grep DNS"
[22:33] <salamanderrake> Welp, updated nvidia and now only nouveau is enabled and I don't know what the issue is.
[22:33] <gordonjcp> IP4.DNS[1]:                             <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:33] <ikonia> gordonjcp: is that right ?
[22:33] <gordonjcp> ... which is correct
[22:33] <jaziz> ikonia, oh wow, I can't believe I didn't consider this
[22:33] <ikonia> gordonjcp: so it IS using your dns server then
[22:33] <gordonjcp> ikonia: it isn't
[22:33] <ikonia> gordonjcp: explain
[22:33] <gordonjcp> if it was, I'd see traffic to the DNS server
[22:33] <gordonjcp> I do not see traffic to the DNS server
[22:33] <tgm4883> gordonjcp: what domain are you using?
[22:34] <ikonia> gordonjcp: can you give us the use case you're using to test this
[22:34] <gordonjcp> tgm4883: context
[22:34] <tgm4883> gordonjcp: what is one of the FQDN's that you've tested
[22:34] <gordonjcp> ikonia: desktop PC, running Ubuntu 18.04, PC configured as router, which serves up DNS among other things to everything else
[22:35] <ikonia> gordonjcp: so your desktop is acting as a router and a dns server at the same time
[22:35] <gordonjcp> no
[22:35] <jaziz> ikonia, any suggestions as to what I can do about this? https://i.snag.gy/f1cN5i.jpg
[22:35] <ikonia> gordonjcp: sorry, miss-understood, try again please
[22:35] <gordonjcp> the desktop is a desktop
[22:35] <gordonjcp> there's a second PC running Alpine, with a bunch of stuff configured to allow it to run as a router
[22:35] <tgm4883> gordonjcp: or rather, are your machines given a .local domain
[22:35] <ikonia> jaziz: read the log
[22:35] <gordonjcp> everything else gets DNS off the router
[22:36] <jaziz> ikonia, oh, I thought that was the log
[22:36] <ikonia> gordonjcp: ok - so ubuntu 18.04 box, pointing at alpine linux box acting as router/dhcp/dns etc
[22:36] <ikonia> jaziz: now, that's a start up error
[22:36] <gordonjcp> the Ubuntu desktop and only the Ubuntu desktop does its own thing when asked to look up hostnames
[22:37] <blackflow> jaziz: should really use systemctl directly, and not init.d which is wrapped by systemctl anyway. journalctl -xe   should tell you more. also  journalctl -U ssh.service, or look at /var/log/auth.log
[22:37] <ikonia> gordonjcp: ok - can you explain the test you're doing to look up a hostname
[22:37] <ikonia> gordonjcp: (the test that's failing)
[22:39] <gordonjcp> ikonia: "dig levasseur" doesn't return an answer, and doesn't hit the router
[22:39] <jaziz> these are the relevant log entries: https://bpaste.net/show/67d31448fc55
[22:39] <gordonjcp> ikonia: s/router/DNS/
[22:39] <gordonjcp> ikonia: "dig rangerovers.pub" does return an answer, and does not hit the DNS
[22:39] <ikonia> gordonjcp: so that will be the cache from dnsmasq
[22:39] <ikonia> gordonjcp: and it sounds like the default domain on the client is not set
[22:40] <jaziz> not really sure how to interpret that
[22:40] <ikonia> jaziz: what is that output coming from ?
[22:40] <jaziz> ikonia, it's in auth.log
[22:40] <blackflow> jaziz: can you pastebin    journalctl -u ssh.service   ?
[22:41] <jaziz> blackflow,
[22:41] <Mylon> How do I see if my laptop's sd card reader is working?
[22:41] <gordonjcp> jaziz: looks like someone attempted to run something as root
[22:41] <jaziz> yep
[22:41] <gordonjcp> Mylon: plug an SD card in
[22:41] <Mylon> I have a troublesome microSD card but plugging it into my computer doesn't do anything...
[22:41] <gordonjcp> jaziz: sshing as root is indicative of further problems though
[22:41] <ikonia> this doesn't look like an ubuntu box
[22:41] <ikonia> although the auth log is just showing sudo commands
[22:41] <ikonia> so that's fine
[22:41] <Mylon> But I already suspect the card is the problem so I gotta make sure my computer works too.
[22:42] <Mylon> I found another card I can test with...
[22:43] <Mylon> Alright, other card works.
[22:43] <Mylon> I guess I'm just out of luck on that card then.  All of those photos, gone.
[22:44] <Pdrome> Mylon: try Recuva on a Windows OS - i saved photos off a card that way when i thought i had lost them
[22:44] <gordonjcp> Mylon: when you say "doesn't do anything" can you see it show up in dmesg?
[22:44] <Mylon> What's dmesg?
[22:44] <gordonjcp> Mylon: or, can you think of anything that might have caused the card to not function correctly?
[22:44] <Mylon> Plugging the other card in immediately shows up in Dolphin.
[22:45] <Mylon> I have no idea why it stopped working.  One day my phone just stopped reading from it.
[22:45] <jaziz> blackflow, here are the entires: https://bpaste.net/show/56809db29036
[22:45] <gordonjcp> if it can see the card at all, even if it can't make sense of the filesystem, then you could try photorec
[22:46] <Mylon> Other card doesn't show up in Dolphin.
[22:46] <blackflow> jaziz: "Missing privilege separation directory: /var/run/sshd"  did you change anything about /var/run or /run mounts? Which Ubuntu is this?
[22:46] <OerHeks> Mylon, good start https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilesystemTroubleshooting
[22:47] <jaziz1> oops, disconnected
[22:47] <blackflow> jaziz1: "Missing privilege separation directory: /var/run/sshd"  did you change anything about /var/run or /run mounts? Which Ubuntu is this?
[22:47] <jaziz1> blackflow, it's ubuntu 16.something
[22:47] <gordonjcp> ikonia: interestingly, "dig levasseur.local" works correctly, "dig levasseur" does not
[22:47] <Pdrome> tgm4883 was it you that helped advise me about 2 weeks ago regarding old pvr and superblocks v1 and xfsprogs old versions?
[22:47] <tgm4883> Pdrome: possibly
[22:48] <jaziz1> blackflow, I did update it, but last I used it (last night) was working fine
[22:48] <ikonia> gordonjcp: sounds like default domain or search is not set
[22:48] <Pdrome> does that ring a bell?
[22:48] <ikonia> jaziz: really dosn't look like ubuntu
[22:48] <tgm4883> gordonjcp: .local is a special domain
[22:48] <jaziz1> ikonia, hm
[22:48] <gordonjcp> ikonia: everything else works correctly, it only fails in Ubuntu
[22:48] <jaziz1> I guess I'll check that, then
[22:48] <gordonjcp> tgm4883: is this something Ubuntu-specific?
[22:48] <ikonia> gordonjcp: yeah, I suspect your default domain or search domain isn't set on your ubuntu box
[22:48] <ikonia> gordonjcp: want to do a quick hack to test /
[22:48] <ikonia> ?
[22:49] <tgm4883> gordonjcp: it's avahi
[22:49] <blackflow> jaziz1: can you pastebin     lsb_release -a
[22:49] <gordonjcp> ikonia: could do...
[22:49] <tgm4883> gordonjcp: you can either tell avahi to use a different domain or you could use a different domain
[22:49] <tgm4883> gordonjcp: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/424799/why-doesnt-systemd-resolved-use-my-local-dns-server
[22:49] <jaziz1> blackflow, https://bpaste.net/show/62a325f946d4
[22:49] <ikonia> gordonjcp: put in either "domain local" or "search local" in resolv.conf as a quick way to test it
[22:50] <jaziz1> ikonia, ^ says in that link ubuntu 16
[22:50] <ikonia> gordonjcp: it will force the resolver
[22:50] <gordonjcp> tgm4883: I don't want to use a domain at all
[22:50] <gordonjcp> tgm4883: everything else works correctly when I use just the hostname
[22:51] <gordonjcp> ikonia: makes no difference
[22:51] <tgm4883> gordonjcp: my assumption here is that the domain gets added as the search resolver when sending it to DNS but then gets intercepted by avahi since it's .local
[22:51] <Mylon> I'll look into that.  Thanks, OerHeks.
[22:51] <blackflow> jaziz1: what about   mount | grep run   ?
[22:51] <gordonjcp> tgm4883: hmm
[22:51] <ikonia> gordonjcp: can you show me your /etc/resolv.conf please
[22:51] <tgm4883> Pdrome: I probably pointed you in some direction being that you were asking about pvr stuff
[22:51] <jaziz1> blackflow, https://bpaste.net/show/b600b9a53a97
[22:52] <blackflow> jaziz1: did you run out of free space in /run ?  check with df -h
[22:53] <blackflow> jaziz1: and btw,   does the same happen if you   `systemctl start ssh.service`   instead of using init.d  ?  iirc they're _not_ quite the same
[22:54] <jaziz1> no space issues blackflow
[22:54] <jaziz1> https://bpaste.net/show/c075d2bbfdbb
[22:54] <blackflow> (ie it's not a sysvinit generated unit)
[22:54] <jaziz1> blackflow, tried latter instruction, failed
[22:54] <blackflow> jaziz1: that's OpenVZ. call your hosting company. Find anotehr host that's not OpenVZ.
[22:54] <jaziz1> python3
[22:54] <jaziz1> oops
[22:55] <gordonjcp> ikonia: http://ilyushin.gjcp.net/resolv.txt
[22:55] <blackflow> jaziz1: just saw it in your latest pastebin. root device. OpenVZ ploop
[22:55] <ikonia> gordonjcp: you know, I just missed something you said earlier (thanks to not paying attention)
[22:55] <gordonjcp> what's that?
[22:55] <jaziz1> blackflow, what's openvz?
[22:56] <ikonia> gordonjcp: .53 - port 53 is dns, so I hadn't picked up that maybe ubuntu changed the local caching server to a different address
[22:56] <blackflow> jaziz1: the virtualization tech your host is using for the "VPS"
[22:56] <jaziz1> is there something wrong with it?
[22:56] <Pdrome> cheers tgm4883 well I am back at a similar task again but with a diff pvr drive this time... it is my last to deal with thankfully but proving a similar tedious nightmare. Before i needed old version of xfsprogs to be able to work on old superblock v1 xfs filesystems. Today I was asking about gddrescue as this hdd is failing and i need to try and image it to a 2tb hdd. Problem is i cant easily do this in 8.04 ubuntu like last pvr issue
[22:56] <blackflow> jaziz1: yes. it's not true virtualization but more like containerization
[22:56] <ikonia> gordonjcp: does systemd-resolve --status show anything of interest
[22:56] <ikonia> blackflow: you're being kind
[22:56] <blackflow> I am :)
[22:56] <jaziz1> HM
[22:56] <jaziz1> what if you weren't kind?
[22:57] <gordonjcp> ikonia: nothing unexpected
[22:57] <ikonia> he'd not reference openvz as a container
[22:57] <Pdrome> only for the above mentioned ubuntu version. So i just grabbed 16.04.5 lts and fired it up. Now i have lastest xfsprogs version and it is causing the same problem regarding it lacks support for the old xfs and v1 superblocks
[22:57] <jaziz1> yikes
[22:57] <blackflow> jaziz1: yeah, more like a lot of expletives and would earnmyself a ban :)
[22:57] <jaziz1> what are its drawbacks for practical use?
[22:57] <blackflow> jaziz1: the one you have right now.
[22:57] <ikonia> gordonjcp: interesting, so I'm reasonably confident your core problem is caching, but I'm not sure why it's ignoring the default/search domain, unless .local really is an issue now as blackflow said
[22:57] <jaziz1> MMM
[22:57] <TJ-> Pdrome: you can get around that easily; build a chroot of 8.04 :)
[22:57] <Pdrome> i do remember from 2 weeks ago that there is a way to download older versions of progs but can i just navigate to the 8.04 xfsprogs listed and get it?
[22:58] <blackflow> ikonia: wait, I what?
[22:59] <ikonia> blackflow: ?
[22:59] <tgm4883> I assume ikonia means me
[22:59] <blackflow> ikonia: "[...] unless .local really is an issue now as blackflow said"
[22:59] <blackflow> yeah probably
[22:59] <ikonia> blackflow: apologies tgm4883 is correct, I miss-read who said it
[22:59] <ikonia> tgm4883: apologies
[22:59] <blackflow> np
[22:59] <ikonia> wasn't robbing your effort
[22:59] <tgm4883> no worries
[23:00] <Pdrome> TJ i wish i had your expert knowledge of linux but i know just enough to get myself into trouble ;o)
[23:00] <gordonjcp> ikonia: search in resolv.conf changes, if I change what dnsmasq on the router thinks the local domain is
[23:00] <ikonia> gordonjcp: that's not unexpected
[23:00] <ikonia> gordonjcp: (and a good sign)
[23:00] <TJ-> Pdrome: "sudo debootstrap --no-check-gpg hardy ./hardy http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu"
[23:00] <Pdrome> someone 2 weeks ago gave me a method to install olf xfsprog version from the 8.04 archive
[23:01] <TJ-> Pdrome: preceed that with "mkdir hardy" and it'll install it into that directory
[23:01] <ikonia> need to step away
[23:01] <Pdrome> it was in 8.04 and is xfsprogs 2.9.4
[23:01] <TJ-> Pdrome: once it's done, you can "sudo chroot hardy" and work
[23:01] <TJ-> Pdrome: such as installing xfsprogs etc
[23:01] <blackflow> jaziz1: jokes aside, problem with OpenVZ is, that's a "namespace" on a host and a special kind (a tech older than LXC, LXD, and modern crop of containerization "hypervisors"). it's usually overloaded, but most importantly it's a namespace, so you do NOT get all the kernel features that systemd is expecting as PID 1. Plus, because it's a process namespace, you share FDs and many other things with other
[23:01] <blackflow> clients, on the same host. shared kernel.
[23:02] <jaziz1> I see
[23:02] <Pdrome> is this irc archived and can i look up the help i got from 2 weeks ago at all online?
[23:02] <TJ-> Pdrome: you can bind-mount the kernel devices prior to 'chroot' with "for n in proc sys dev dev/pts etc/resolv.conf; do sudo mount --bind /$n ./hardy/$n; done"
[23:02] <blackflow> jaziz1: you're having this problem probably exactly due to FD exhaust on the host kernel
[23:02] <Pdrome> TJ thanks i will give this a go
[23:03] <jaziz1> blackflow, what's fd?
[23:03] <tgm4883> !logs | Pdrome
[23:03] <Pdrome> i 'think' i understand what all that does
[23:03] <TJ-> Pdrome: if you want the commands in the correct order I'll pop them in a pastebin for you
[23:04] <blackflow> jaziz1: file descriptor. remember, in unix, "everything is a file", so it's not just regular files. sockets, pipes, many other things get a "fd"
[23:04] <jaziz1> mmm
[23:04] <Pdrome> please pop them into a pastebin TJ tahnks
[23:04] <TJ-> Pdrome: doing it now
[23:04] <gordonjcp> ikonia: thanks for your help
[23:04] <Pdrome> really appreciate and i found my old posts in the logs
[23:05] <gordonjcp> tgm4883: also, thanks for your help
[23:05] <gordonjcp> I'm pretty baffled by it
[23:05] <Pdrome> i cant believe they just just leave support for v1 superblocks and old xfs in current xfsprogs... makes me sad
[23:05] <Pdrome> cant believe they dont just
[23:06] <Pdrome> i officially hate pvr hdds
[23:08] <TJ-> Pdrome: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qTpndZ7W6c/
[23:08] <Pdrome> awesome!
[23:09] <Pdrome> very clever cheers TJ
[23:09] <Pdrome> (and tdm)
[23:15] <salamanderrake> Hay, is the graphics driver ppa havin issues?
[23:18] <Pdrome> wahey! i just found it in the old logs from 1st nov download http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xfsprogs/xfsprogs_2.9.4-2_i386.deb
[23:18] <Pdrome> it was the pool part i couldnt find by browsing just
[23:21] <TJ-> Pdrome: right; the chroot installs that and any dependencies so you've got a complete sane 8.04 OS to work from
[23:22] <Pdrome> TJ i have saved your pastbin and will be doing it as well, i just might start fresh in the morning now
[23:23] <Pdrome> i want to get my head around what exactly your commands will do as it looks new to me so would be good thing to learn
[23:24] <Pdrome> plus then it gives me 2 possible methods
[23:24] <TJ-> Pdrome: it installs a minimal 8.04 OS in ./hardy/, mounts the kernel file-systems to it, then you chroot into it. From that point it is the same as if you'd installed it on bare hardware
[23:25] <jrshaul> Can anyone suggest a viable way to make a Lubuntu persistent USB stick install from Windows? Unetbootin crashes with persistent storage enabled and Linux Live USB creator doesn't work at all.
[23:25] <TJ-> jrshaul: using a virtual machine?
[23:26] <TJ-> jrshaul: pass-through the USB device to the VM to do the install
[23:26] <Pdrome> TJ that is kinda what i thought it did - very clever
[23:29] <jrshaul> Let's assume for a moment that I'm stuck working on other people's computers. :/
[23:30] <Pdrome> even on someone esle computer i would grab virtualbox and do the vm method
[23:30] <Pdrome> if using windows is causing trouble
[23:31] <Pdrome> as long as the persons computer has enough storage space virtualbox and a quick linux install shouldnt be too annoying temporarily
[23:32] <black_13> what is the fast to remote graphically from on ubuntu machine to another
[23:32] <Pdrome> maybe a live-cd would work also?
[23:33] <genii> black_13: X forwarding over SSH
[23:33] <black_13> would this be ssh -X user@ip xterm?
[23:34] <TJ-> jrshaul: the other option is the "WinDD" tool ('dd' for Windows) so you can just write the ISO directly to the USB device
[23:36] <Mylon> Alright so my microsd card shows up with fdisk.
[23:36] <Mylon> fsck doesn't recognize it though.
[23:37] <TJ-> Mylon: fsck is for file-systems, not devices. Is there a file-system on the device, or is it in a partition on the device?
[23:37] <Mylon> Oh.  There should be a file system on the device, but it's not being recognized.
[23:38] <TJ-> Mylon: does "fdisk -l" show partitions on the device?
[23:38] <Mylon> Though neither my phone nor my computer prompts me to format it when I insert it.
[23:38] <StephenLynx> anyone on ubuntu 18 using gnome system monitor can't see anything but resources?
[23:39] <StephenLynx> the buttons for processes and file systems don't work.
[23:39] <TJ-> Mylon: the PC may not have the fsck helpers required for the file-system. Is it supposed to be FAT file-system, or maybe exFAT ?
[23:39] <Mylon> I don't think so?
[23:39] <Mylon> I mean I don't think fdisk -l shows one.
[23:39] <Mylon> Fdisk shows 2 devices and 3 disks.
[23:40] <Mylon> Err... No, it shows 4 disks, and only 2 partitions on the first one.
[23:40] <jaziz1> well
[23:40] <Mylon> That one being my HD.
[23:40] <gambl0re> using powertop or TLP, is there a way to check how long my laptop has been running on battery?
[23:40] <jaziz1> as long as I can make screens I guess using the kvm isn't a big deal
[23:41] <Mylon> I don't know what file system the memory card should be.  Whatever my phone used.
[23:41] <TJ-> Mylon: try "sudo blkid" and look at what is reported for the memory card
[23:41] <StephenLynx> this is a mess.
[23:41] <StephenLynx> it tells me I don't have gnome-system-monitor installe
[23:41] <TJ-> StephenLynx: 18.04 or 18.10; there is no 18
[23:42] <StephenLynx> yeah, 18.04
[23:42] <TJ-> StephenLynx: I seem to recall seeing those things are installed as 'snaps' now :s
[23:42] <StephenLynx> if I Install, two options show on the start menu
[23:42] <StephenLynx> either way it doesn't work.
[23:42] <Mylon> It doesn't appear to show up with blkid.
[23:42] <TJ-> Mylon: what is the device name for it?
[23:42] <StephenLynx> ugh
[23:42] <StephenLynx> yeah, it's as a snap.
[23:42] <StephenLynx> what even is a snap?
[23:42] <Mylon> Disk /dev/mmcblk0: 15 GiB
[23:43] <StephenLynx> why is it broken?
[23:43] <TJ-> Mylon: OK, so a proper MMC controller too
[23:43] <StephenLynx> it used to work fine before upgrading to 18
[23:43] <TJ-> StephenLynx: blame Canonical :)
[23:43] <StephenLynx> you can bet I do.
[23:43] <StephenLynx> apt isn't the best but it's fine.
[23:44] <StephenLynx> they went and reinvented the weel
[23:44] <TJ-> StephenLynx: I can't help because I've not touched Gnome in many years
[23:44] <StephenLynx> and broke the old one in the process.
[23:44] <OerHeks> gambl0re, check tlp-stat and look for " "TLP started in battery mode." /  "TLP started in AC mode."
[23:44] <StephenLynx> how do I remove this damn "snap"?
[23:44] <StephenLynx> and get a working package I can control?
[23:44] <Mylon> blkid shows 4 lines (EFI, main linux, swap, and something else... vg-root? )
[23:45] <TJ-> Mylon: is it not reporting the mmcblk0 device? that means there is no detectable file-system on it
[23:45] <TJ-> Mylon: 'vg-root' is the OS root file-system, in an LVM Volume Group (VG)
[23:48] <StephenLynx> god damn it.
[23:48] <OerHeks> ..
[23:48] <StephenLynx> can I just rm -rf the snap?
[23:48] <StephenLynx> it doesn't show where it should be, on "software"
[23:48] <tgm4883> StephenLynx: snap remove <snapname>
[23:49] <Bashing-om> StephenLynx: ' sudo snap remove <package> ' .
[23:49] <StephenLynx> ty
[23:50] <StephenLynx> and it's working.
[23:50] <StephenLynx> amen
[23:50] <salamanderrake> seems like Ubuntu is the Windows, I had to purge *nvidia* and reinstall it to get it to load correctly, there were files from the previouse version(s) that would cause a conflice like libnvidia-compute-415 and *-415:i386 over writing file issues
[23:50] <StephenLynx> installed from a sane package manager.
[23:50] <StephenLynx> yeah, ubuntu is getting really fucked with packaging.
[23:51] <tgm4883> !ohmy
[23:51] <StephenLynx> apt might not be the best, but at least it works.
[23:51] <StephenLynx> got it.
[23:51] <Mylon> fsck is a dirty word too.
[23:52] <StephenLynx> >hurf hurf it's gonna be so much better with snap, everything as a tick app
[23:52] <StephenLynx> yeah, right. I can see it.
[23:52] <StephenLynx> as a neat app*
[23:52] <Pdrome> tgm4883 it was you that solved it for me before.. it was actually 1st of nov and you started out by telling me not supported then ended up suggesting xfsrepair and it finished my issue back then! ;o)
[23:53] <Pdrome> so thanks again for the solution back then
[23:53] <tgm4883> yw
[23:53] <StephenLynx> and now here I am having to remove broken trash from snap and installing from apt
[23:54] <salamanderrake> apparently rolling release and up to date os are also bad phrases in the ubuntu community.
[23:54] <StephenLynx> I'm just using ubuntu because getting proprietary drivers to work on centos is a nightmare.
[23:55] <StephenLynx> >kernel update
[23:55] <StephenLynx> >no more boot
[23:55] <StephenLynx> yay
[23:55] <pjs> I don't use any snaps.. can I just remove all snaps running (including core, ghome, etc.) I run i3, not gnome anyway
[23:57] <StephenLynx> someone should tell canonical to axe snap like they did with upstart
[23:57] <StephenLynx> and mir
[23:57] <StephenLynx> they should have learned by now they can't reinvent any wheel with success.
[23:57] <StephenLynx> they are not poettering
[23:58] <StephenLynx> oh, and unity
[23:58] <StephenLynx> god, just how much junk have they produced that ended up in nothing?
[23:58] <tgm4883> !ot | StephenLynx
[23:59] <tgm4883> actually, #ubuntu-discuss would be better for this
[23:59]  * pjs chuckles
[23:59] <pjs> tgm4883: is it ok to snap remove everything shown in snap list? I don't use any of it.. it just came with ubuntu-desktop (in hindsight I should have installed a bare bones ubuntu)


[06:24] <angch> sweemeng__: where do ppl here normally get their nexus $foo?
[06:24] <sweemeng__> hmmm
[06:24] <sweemeng__> lowyat ap
[06:24] <sweemeng__> from what i heard
[06:24] <sweemeng__> wrong person to ask though
[06:25] <angch> just wondering about the nexus prime...
[06:25] <sweemeng__> 1st nexus, they buy online
[06:25] <sweemeng__> 2nd nexus, the nexus s, is from AP
[06:25] <sweemeng__> not sure about the prime
[06:26] <angch> or just get another s2, just to spite apple.
[06:26] <sweemeng__> yeah
[14:47] <ahmed_> :D
[14:47] <ahmed_> http://ubuntu.com.my/
[15:25] <ahmed_> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-my
[15:54] <ahmed_> http://code.google.com/p/labyrinth/downloads/list
[15:54] <ahmed_> http://maketecheasier.com/three-great-mindmapping-tools-for-the-linux-desktop/2011/08/19


[01:13] <phunyguy> holmanb: just saw the email, I'll get it tested as soon as I can tonight.
[01:13] <phunyguy> thanks for taking a look.
[02:14] <phunyguy> holmanb: looks like that got it farther, but it probably needs more work.  It's not producing a working network config in /etc/conf.d/net
[02:15] <phunyguy> Also I had to hack in that patch manually, it wasn't applying to the git pulld sources.
[02:15] <phunyguy> pulled*
[03:08] <holmanb> phunyguy: that patch was based on the latest commit on main this afternoon, I should have mentioned that sorry. Glad you got that part figured out.
[03:08] <holmanb> phunyguy: anything interesting in the logfile after applying the patch?
[03:10] <holmanb> I'll often do a `grep -i -e warn -e error -e traceback /var/log/cloud-init.log`, which should be empty on a healthy system.
[03:11] <phunyguy> I will try this again soon and let you know.  I actually didn't realize it was going to create net.eth0, which I didn't look for before, so I wiped and reloaded to see the old behavior to make sure.
[03:11] <phunyguy> usually it's just /etc/conf.d/net that gets created so /etc/conf.d/net.eth0 threw me for a loop.
[03:12] <phunyguy> holmanb: also, the way I patched it with yours was against main... gentoo has a built in method to patch packages, and I instructed it to pull the cloud-init-9999 version which pulls direct from git, and applies the patches specified in /etc/portage/patches.  It still failed.
[03:43] <holmanb> phunyguy: agreed, that patch got mangled sorry
[03:44] <holmanb> phunyguy: That should probably be in version control anyways, here's a branch in case it helps: https://github.com/holmanb/cloud-init/tree/holmanb/phunyguy
[04:04] <phunyguy> Yeah that gives me something I can pip install as you need me to test things
[04:05] <phunyguy> It's late here, I will get back to testing tomorrow afternoon.
[04:05] <phunyguy> thanks holmanb
[13:00] <holmanb> phunyguy: sounds good :)
[20:05] <holmanb> blackboxsw: I forgot to drop a message earlier, but the Ansible PR is ready for review. I'm much happier with the test coverage now.
[20:06] <blackboxsw> awesome holmanb I forgot to mention as well I'm peeking over meena's freebsd work breakdown for networking to see if it can be captured as more manageable work items
[20:06] <blackboxsw> a la, "Network refactor for BSD" is sort of big
[20:07] <blackboxsw> because it ties into a lot of the https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/blob/main/WIP-ONGOING-REFACTORIZATION.rst  we have
[20:08] <blackboxsw> ... and initial discussions on that front is sort of one of the major reasons we have some of that networking refactor work in the first place
[20:08] <blackboxsw> to try to support some of this BSD work
[20:09] <blackboxsw> +1 holmanb I'll get through your integration test adds for LXD storage config options so we can mark that Roadmap item "done" and then onto ansible
[20:09] <holmanb> Have I seen this already? I saw mention of the Freebsd networking work yesterday, but is there something more detailed I haven't already seen?
[20:11] <blackboxsw> I think it's work in progress trying to get a commitment for some BSD  networking improvements in cloud-init
[20:11] <blackboxsw> s/a commitment/additional firm commitment/
[20:11] <holmanb> +1 thanks for taking a look at those, network is still down here, unfortunately. I think I'll have to relocate so I can get back online and get in some reviews.
[20:11] <blackboxsw> +1 yeah bummer on that.
[20:11] <holmanb> Gotcha, I see
[20:11] <blackboxsw> coffee shop in your fugture
[20:12] <holmanb> Indeed.
[21:50] <holmanb> minimal: does alpine provide systemd-detect-virt for use in cloud-init?
[22:00] <holmanb> I assume not, but looks like the LXD data source fallback config uses eth0 for the interface name inside of VMs that don't have detect-virt, which I didn't think was init-specific?


[00:16] <lderan> knome, how does this look http://paste.ubuntu.com/5706406/
[00:19] <Unit193> Hrm, he didn't change it so it said "Created by Meetingology"?  That's alright.  He may or may not be sleeping, it  is 3am his time.
[00:19] <knome> mmh, right.
[00:19] <knome> Unit193, hah, i'm still here!
[00:20] <knome> lderan, personally i think the action items are useless (you only need the "by person" really)
[00:20] <Unit193> lderan: You have a place you're slapping the code?  I think I have a clone of meetingology.
[00:20] <lderan> Unit193, yeah i have it running locally
[00:20] <knome> lderan, hmm. i'm wondering about the subtopics
[00:21] <knome> lderan, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PasiLallinaho/MeetingologyOutput
[00:22] <knome> lderan, see how that turns out in moin?
[00:22] <knome> actually, that's fine
[00:22] <lderan> ah okay
[00:22] <knome> nvm that.
[00:22] <knome> i was wondering that it was weird that the items not under a subtopic appeared at the same level as the subtopics
[00:23] <knome> but it's not
[00:23] <knome> another idea is to make the subtopics bold
[00:23] <knome> that would probably make them stand out enough
[00:23] <knome> also, another thing i'm generall wondering about
[00:24] <knome> the main topics do not have times, so why should the subtopics (or the items?!)
[00:24] <knome> people may disagree about that, but for me, having the times for each item is just overhead
[00:24] <lderan> can agree with that
[00:24] <knome> and i don't think it matters too much who "posted" them
[00:25] <knome> what about... (just a sec
[00:25] <lderan> if you wanted to know the time the chat log has them
[00:26] <knome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PasiLallinaho/MeetingologyOutput#preview
[00:26] <knome> something like that, maybe?
[00:26] <knome> i mean the times for topics are fine, because that allows you browsing the logs quickly if you are looking for some particular discussion
[00:26] <lderan> should be much of a do to do that
[00:27] <knome> i'm not even sure if the minutes are necessaru.
[00:27] <knome> s/u/y/
[00:27] <knome> err
[00:27] <knome> seconds :)
[00:27] <knome> or just...
[00:27] <knome> (again, sec)
[00:29] <knome> another idea added at the wiki
[00:29] <knome> the time is a bit obtrusive on the title though
[00:30] <knome> or just s/@/at/
[00:31] <knome> whatever you think is good
[00:31] <knome> that's just minutiae
[00:31] <knome> it's great to get the output fixed generally
[00:31] <knome> (thanks! :))
[00:31] <lderan> no problem at all
[00:32]  * lderan goes to find where it generates the string (nick time)
[00:32] <knome> mhm
[00:36] <pleia2> knome: see my comments about the size of screenshots?
[00:36] <knome> pleia2, yes.
[00:36] <knome> pleia2, i read it, but i didn't read it.
[00:36] <pleia2> haha
[00:36] <knome> pleia2, i'm fine with the articles as they are though
[00:36] <knome> pleia2, i can boot up my vbox if you want me to take more/new shots
[00:37] <pleia2> yeah, so for like http://temp.knome.fi/temp/xubuntu/marketing_magazine/xubuntu-taskmanager.png I think we want it cropped just around the task manager
[00:38] <pleia2> and the task manager should maybe be made smaller, so people can actually read it once it's shrunk
[00:38] <knome> http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/marketing_magazine/taskmanager.png ? :P
[00:38] <knome> that was already there!
[00:38] <knome> but i can take a shot of an even smaller one
[00:38] <pleia2> yeah, a bit smaller would be good
[00:38] <knome> ok
[00:39] <knome> just tell me what you want me to do and i'll do it as you say
[00:39] <pleia2> like xubuntu-adjusting-sound.png I think we can just crop it around the dialog itself
[00:40] <knome> but!
[00:40] <pleia2> smaller and cropped xubuntu-autostart.png too
[00:40] <knome> that's a shot for that and the soundmenu.
[00:40] <pleia2> it's going to be impossible to read when shrunk for the magazine
[00:40] <knome> "read" ?
[00:40] <knome> it's an image...
[00:41] <pleia2> the images have words on them, mute, sound settings, etc :)
[00:41] <skellat> Apply Gaussian Blur for good measure just in case :-)
[00:41] <knome> heh
[00:41] <pleia2> otherwise they all look like "desktop with some blurry tool"
[00:41] <knome> wait
[00:41] <knome> you stupid :P
[00:41] <knome> http://temp.knome.fi/temp/xubuntu/marketing_magazine/pavucontrol.png
[00:42] <pleia2> that one is fine
[00:42] <pleia2> I'm talking about the control from the panel
[00:42] <knome> i'll take a new one with more action though
[00:42] <knome> so, then?
[00:42] <pleia2> bah
[00:42] <pleia2> I can just do the cropping
[00:43] <knome> okay.
[00:43] <pleia2> did we change the default wallpaper?
[00:44] <pleia2> (I'm running beta2 and it's still the 12.10 one)
[00:44] <knome> yeah...
[00:44] <knome> or,
[00:44] <knome> we're in the progress
[00:44] <pleia2> ok
[00:45] <knome> that should've happened already ages ago, but it slipped my monitor back then
[00:45] <pleia2> hehe, monitor
[00:45] <knome> heh
[00:45] <knome> that
[00:45] <knome> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhTM9-55bI0
[00:46] <skellat> pleia2 knome I still haven't seen anything on #ubuntu-release that the new xubuntu-artwork has gone in yet.  It is the weekend, though, so perhaps we might see it Monday or Tuesday.
[00:47] <knome> skellat, micahg promised he could do that upload
[00:47] <skellat> Alrighty
[00:47] <knome> skellat, we need the upload for the shimmer-themes bug too, and that's a bit more kinky
[00:47] <skellat> I know
[00:47] <knome> skellat, i'd really like mr_pouit handling it, because he knows how to do it and it'd take him much less time than for anybody else
[00:47] <skellat> ubuntu-sponsors have been pinged so it is past what I have rights to do within the current infrastructure
[00:48] <skellat> Where has mr_pouit been lately?
[00:49] <pleia2> knome: we using bar photo or uds room photo? and did you want to crop the knome presentation photo or should I do it? (evil laugh!)
[00:49] <knome> oh, i should do that
[00:49] <knome> :P
[00:49] <knome> just a sec as i upload these shots
[00:49] <knome> skellat, living his life?
[00:50] <skellat> knome: :-)
[00:50] <knome> pleia2, http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/marketing_magazine/
[00:50] <pleia2> ty <3
[00:50] <knome> so, let's look at the photo
[00:55] <knome> humm
[00:55] <knome> wrong channel
[00:55] <knome> pleia2, look at #xubuntu :P
[00:56] <pleia2> hehe
[00:56] <knome> yeah, it's 4am here... :)
[00:57] <knome> if you are concerned about the image still being too small, feel free to crop more from the top-right
[00:57] <knome> i'd say that the cropping on the lower left is fine now
[00:58] <pleia2> should be ok
[00:58] <pleia2> I am thinking bar pic, want to crop that one?
[00:59] <knome> sure
[00:59] <knome> if you have a link handy, that would be... handy
[01:00] <knome> but if you don't it's as much browsig for me than it's for you
[01:00] <knome> found it.
[01:00] <pleia2> :)
[01:01] <knome> i was just being lazy.
[01:02] <knome> uploaded
[01:02] <knome> or, uploading.
[01:07] <pleia2> can you make a smaller session and startup one too? :)
[01:07] <knome> urgh
[01:07] <knome> let me boot up the vbox again!
[01:07] <pleia2> :D
[01:08] <knome> i'll do it, it just takes some time.
[01:11] <knome> uploaded
[01:11] <knome> more?
[01:11] <knome> btw, did you notice my grand idea in twitter?
[01:12] <knome> you now have some screenshots to choose from
[01:12] <knome> https://twitter.com/TheSamsai/status/323088296089628673/photo/1
[01:12] <knome> https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-5cqDU5K5nK8/UJadbSHGk1I/AAAAAAAAA3E/pqPSvF1_qog/s891/Desktop031112.png
[01:12] <knome> https://twitter.com/vadoley/status/323079813478895618/photo/1
[01:12] <knome> https://twitter.com/clamanzi/status/323073234838896640/photo/1
[01:12] <knome> https://twitter.com/hozza/status/323057059413233664/photo/1
[01:13] <knome> https://twitter.com/ManiacTwister/status/323050236689907713/photo/1
[01:13] <knome> the one with a vertical panel (hozza) could be good for inclusion
[01:14] <knome> and probably the one with that wacky conky setup (the one in googleuser...)
[01:14] <pleia2> :D
[01:15] <knome> there was also one which i thought wouldn't be fine for inclusion
[01:15] <knome> https://twitter.com/InfiernoWorks/status/323051616188121089/photo/1
[01:16] <knome> i'm glad he opened a window at least.
[01:16] <pleia2> x_x
[01:20] <knome> so do you think we could use those?
[01:21] <knome> i would imagine the posters do not have problems with us using them, because they specifically sent them to us... but if you want, you can contact them to ask if you want to attribute them
[01:21] <pleia2> I don't think I'll bother
[01:21] <knome> or just attribute to @TwitterUser
[01:22] <knome> i think i'll retweet the ones we've chosen, just for the laughs.
[01:22] <knome> :)
[01:22] <knome> do you need something else from raring?
[01:22] <knome> i'm going to bed next.
[01:23] <knome> i don't think it's too bad if we send better pics later
[01:23] <knome> brb, brushing teeth
[01:24] <pleia2> all is good, I'm prepping these articles to send in a bit :)
[01:26] <knome> ok good
[01:30] <pleia2> doh, pavucontrol2.png is another task manager
[01:31] <pleia2> but I can retake this one
[01:31] <knome> i can too
[01:32] <knome> just a sec
[01:32] <pleia2> is ok, I got it
[01:33] <knome> ok...
[01:33] <knome> :)
[01:33] <knome> i'm shutting down vbox and the pc now then
[01:33] <knome> thanks for taking care, and see you
[01:33] <pleia2> sure, good night
[01:33] <knome> nighty! :)
[02:34] <pleia2> shipped \o/
[02:34] <pleia2> that was a lot more work than I had anticipated when we started this
[08:01] <ochosi> knome: two users
[08:02] <Noskcaj> ochosi, how random
[08:02] <ochosi> knome: two users with the same realname will most likely still have either dofferent avatars or wallpapers
[08:02] <Noskcaj> never mind
[08:02] <ochosi> but yeah, we can think about this scenario in the next greeter-release
[12:48] <skellat> From #ubuntu-release (08:44:50 AM) queuebot: (notice) [03:46:07] Unapproved: xubuntu-artwork (raring-proposed/universe) [13.04.3 => 13.04.4] (ubuntustudio, xubuntu)
[13:48] <lderan> knome, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5707741/ also have added it to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PasiLallinaho/MeetingologyOutput#preview
[15:57] <knome> lderan_, shiny!
[15:57] <knome> lderan_, though i think that the meeting ending time could be grouped with the starting time/info.
[15:58] <knome> ochosi, yes, no rush with that. just something to think about (show username somewhere, since that needs to be unique)
[15:58] <knome> skellat, cool
[15:58] <knome> pleia2, great!
[15:59] <lderan_> knome, good idea
[16:01] <knome> LO in raring looks better than previously, ++ there
[16:01] <knome> (i mean the startup/load screen)
[16:02] <knome> that got some literal thumbs up from me
[16:02] <knome> bbl
[16:37] <ochosi> knome: easy and obvious way is to do "Real name (username)" in the combobox
[17:02] <lderan> knome, so something like  * #channelname: test meeting, 14:44:44 ~ 15:55:55 - 14 Apr 2013
[19:28] <knome> ochosi, or username on hover
[19:29] <knome> lderan, s/~/—/
[19:29] <knome> lderan, and "test meeting, 14 Apr at 14:44:44 – 15:55:55" is probably better
[19:30] <lderan> ok
[19:33] <lderan> so remove the channel name from it as well?
[19:33] <knome> umm,
[19:33] <knome> for my purposes, it's unnecessary
[19:33] <knome> but i suppose it can be there
[19:33] <knome> just not sure if it should be the first one
[19:35] <lderan> okay
[19:36] <knome> pleia2, d'oh! can you resend me the articles email when you get back? :)
[19:44] <knome> if somebody does upgrade tests "from image", see bug 1155167
[19:44] <knome> that bug happens at least with newly installed quantal being upgraded to raring
[19:44] <knome> and i don't see any reason why it wouldn't in any case
[19:45] <lderan> knome, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5708658/ can move the channel name easily enough
[19:45] <knome> lderan, heh, with — i mean literal "–" (without quotes)
[19:45] <knome> lderan, also, can you drop the seconds from the stamps?
[19:46] <lderan> sure
[19:46] <knome> that would be good, even easier to read
[19:47] <knome> lderan, have you shown your work to AlanBell?
[19:47] <lderan> not yet
[19:50] <knome> lderan, hmm. i suppose there wasn't any more output on the voting?
[19:50] <knome> i mean, in the channel, i remember the bot saying something like "motion carried"
[19:50] <knome> also, we need to tweak the current output as well
[19:50] <knome> if not else, we need to add a * to make the results a list item
[19:51] <lderan> it does say "motion carried" in the irc window
[19:51] <Unit193> Hrm, should bump Alan about private votes too.
[19:52] <knome> what if the subitem was "  * Motion carried (For/Against/Abstained: 1/0/0) or so?
[19:52] <knome> lderan, oh btw!
[19:52] <knome> lderan, add [[ ]] to wrap the log link
[19:53] <lderan> so it'll be fulls logs at [[ url ]]?
[19:53] <knome> yup
[19:53] <knome> without spaces, i think
[19:53] <knome> not sure how moin handles the spaces...
[19:53] <lderan> okay
[19:53] <knome> since we are this far, i'm wondering if we should link all the timestamps
[19:53] <knome> let me look at it.
[19:55] <knome> oh, that won't work without modifying the other output runners
[19:55] <knome> so nvm
[19:55] <lderan> ok
[22:18] <lderan> knome, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5709000/ done the voting bits, working on removing the seconds next but first sleep :P
[22:18] <lderan> — is accepted by moin it seems
[22:19] <knome> yeah it should, it's standard html entity
[22:20] <knome> the votes look great now
[22:20] <knome> sad meeting btw, bot said more lines than you
[22:20] <knome> ;(
[22:21] <knome> on output, "Motion deadlock" -> simply "Deadlock"
[22:23] <knome> also, if it's not too hard, the votes could show up in the summary
[22:24] <knome> (not the results, just as items like "  * Vote: Topic" (and possibly "(Carried)" or sth)
[22:24] <knome> and the votes section could then be called "Vote results"
[22:28] <lderan> sounds good to me
[22:30] <knome> good :)
[22:30] <knome> anyway, good night :)
[22:31] <lderan> aye good night
[22:40] <micahg> hrm, when are we voting on project lead?
[22:43] <knome> micahg, because the strategy document said a term is three releases when i was elected
[22:43] <knome> oh, when.
[22:43] <knome> may 1-2
[22:43] <knome> :)


[03:12] <jackson_> o/
[09:19] <JonathanD> Morning.
[09:24] <rmg51> Morning
[17:14] <ChinnoDog> Afternoon.
[19:36] <lazyPower> \o


[17:33] <Eickmeyer> teward: Have you spun-up a test for the new website theme? Eylul went over it and couldn't find anything obfuscated.
[18:18] <teward> Not yet but my code review turned up nothing either
[18:18] <teward> I’d say just use it
[18:18] <teward> I have a lot of crazy atm to deal with
[18:39] <Eickmeyer> teward: Ack.
[19:15] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: jack_mixer: has error messages on run. It does run. It complains about not having lash (yeah!) which is fine. It also complains about "Cannot load Python bindings for GConf"
[19:15] <OvenWerks> Which means preferences will be lost from run to run.
[19:16] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Yeah, i noticed that. Did you save the mixer? Also, I noticed that jack-mixer is pretty much dead.
[19:17] <OvenWerks> I figured that may be true as well.
[19:17] <Eickmeyer> Honestly, the mixer functions in Ardour are far superior.
[19:17] <OvenWerks> but... it is written in python.
[19:18] <OvenWerks> If all someone wants is a jack output mixer, Ardour is a bit much to load
[19:19] <OvenWerks> but it does have a c componant it looks like
[19:20] <OvenWerks> but a c bit would probably not need to be kept up. The python will be 2 and the gtk is probably 2 as well
[19:21] <Eickmeyer> It's both python 2 and gtk2. Unless it can be upgraded to python3, it might be dead.
[19:21] <Eickmeyer> As in, we might have to remove it from the seed.
[19:22] <Eickmeyer> Last release was 2014.
[19:23]  * OvenWerks is getteing tired of loosing sw that works fine for these kinds of reasons.
[19:24] <Eickmeyer> Hmmm...
[19:24] <OvenWerks> if jack_mixer a separate package on it's own?
[19:24] <Eickmeyer> trebmuh: You had the last commit to jack-mixer. Got any thoughts?
[19:24] <OvenWerks> s/if/is/
[19:25] <Eickmeyer> Yes. It's jack-mixer, not jack_mixer.
[19:25] <Eickmeyer> https://salsa.debian.org/multimedia-team/jack-mixer/tree/master/debian
[19:25] <Eickmeyer> Rather... https://salsa.debian.org/multimedia-team/jack-mixer
[19:28] <OvenWerks> the question is if it is easier to fix this or package nonmixer
[19:28] <OvenWerks> or build a whole new one.
[19:53] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: That's the thing. In order to package NSM or Nonmixer, the entire non suite has to be packaged. BUT, it relies on git checkouts, which is non-ideal.
[20:19] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Also, a deal-breaker for me is that Non Mixer doesn't take MIDI. OSC only.
[20:25] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: ya, jack-mixer is better that way, but doesn't load plugins... of course nonmixer is lv1 only.
[20:25] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Yep, which makes no sense to me.
[20:25] <OvenWerks> The ideal thing IMO, would be a mixer that is integrated into the jack back end
[20:25] <Eickmeyer> Might be easier to update to Python 3 for jack-mixer, but that might require a fork.
[20:25] <OvenWerks> but that will not happen
[20:26] <OvenWerks> I am willing to do a fork for that purpose.
[20:26] <OvenWerks> the gtk could be updated to 3 as well
[20:27] <OvenWerks> I think glade will take the gtk file and hilite things that need to be changed
[20:29] <OvenWerks> Maybe I should revisit gtkmaster after that.
[20:31] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: If I feel u0p to it I will fork->fix->pr upstream as well
[20:34] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Ok, sounds good. We can fork it to ubuntustudio-jack-mixer or something like that? nm, I'll leave it up to you.
[20:37] <OvenWerks> be nice if it could see keyboard vol-up/down as well :)