[00:26] <chu> hey, sausage2 in #ubuntu (he was in #lisp earlier, but gave up when no one responded)
[01:26] <IdleOne> !gufw
[01:26] <IdleOne> !ufw
[01:27] <IdleOne> !gufw is <alias> ufw
[01:27] <IdleOne> !Guarddog is <alias> ufw
[01:27] <IdleOne> !guarddog
[02:47] <Meepsheep> ATTENTION maco ATTENTION mneptok ATTENTION Unit193 ATTENTION IdleOne ATTENTION kloeri ATTENTION txwikinger ATTENTION topyli ATTENTION Flannel ATTENTION head_victim ATTENTION Jordan_U ATTENTION Fuchs ATTENTION bazhang ATTENTION jrib ATTENTION elky ATTENTION ryanakca ATTENTION Meepsheep ATTENTION Ukikie ATTENTION jtrucks ATTENTION jayne ATTENTION bioterror ATTENTION knome ATTENTION Myrtti ATTENTION
[02:47] <Meepsheep> tonyyarusso ATTENTION pleia2 ATTENTION Mamarok ATTENTION ikonia ATTENTION jussi ATTENTION apachelogger ATTENTION funkyHat ATTENTION Gary_ ATTENTION tomaw ATTENTION LjL ATTENTION beuno ATTENTION MrChrisDruif ATTENTION gord ATTENTION Corey ATTENTION ubuntulog_ ATTENTION CarlFK ATTENTION Pricey ATTENTION marienz ATTENTION nixternal ATTENTION AlanBell ATTENTION mrmist ATTENTION popey ATTENTION Tm_Tr
[02:47] <Meepsheep> ATTENTION niko ATTENTION jpds ATTENTION martinp23 ATTENTION h00k ATTENTION ldunn ATTENTION ubottu ATTENTION Pici ATTENTION Dave2 ATTENTION tritium ATTENTION tsimpson ATTENTION Tm_T ATTENTION yano ATTENTION Daviey ATTENTION
[02:47]  * Meepsheep rustles all the jimmies
[02:48] <jrib> uh huh
[02:48] <Unit193> Wow, that was bad.
[02:48] <jrib> Meepsheep: please don't do that :/
[02:48]  * Meepsheep rustles jrib's jimmies
[02:49] <jrib> Meepsheep: do you have an issue you need help with?
[02:49] <Meepsheep> yes
[02:49] <Meepsheep> i cannot rustle the jimmies
[02:49] <Meepsheep> in #ubuntu
[02:49] <Meepsheep> due to ban
[02:49] <jrib> !ops
[02:49] <Meepsheep> caused by jimmie rustling
[07:35] <kevin25> can i get unbanned from #ubuntu
[07:36] <bazhang> kevin25, this is orionsonofneptun?
[07:36] <kevin25> this is kevin
[07:37] <bazhang> wasteoftime and 8 other nicks?
[07:37] <kevin25> umm i cant remember my past nicks dont judge me by the past please i need this channel
[07:38] <bazhang> kevin25, those were you then
[07:38] <kevin25> it will not be misused
[07:38] <bazhang> kevin25, please answer so we can move forward
[07:38] <kevin25> "it was me" no comment
[07:38] <bazhang> kevin25, why were you banned in #ubuntu
[07:38] <kevin25> its a real sore subject
[07:39] <kevin25> honestly i do not know why i was banned im not rememering doing wrong ever there but i think the issue is solved
[07:41] <Tm_T> kevin25: if I may ask, why you say one thing and immediately say different?
[07:41] <bazhang> kevin25, you're banned in multiple ubuntu channels. so there are outstanding issues that are not resolved
[07:41] <kevin25> please give me a chance to show u
[07:41] <kevin25> i just need #ubuntu
[07:41] <Tm_T> that is not how it works
[07:42] <kevin25> well please tell me how to get this matter resolved
[07:42] <bazhang> start by telling the truth
[07:43] <kevin25> the truth is a well guarded secret im am glad to forget about
[07:43] <kevin25> honestly
[07:43] <bazhang> ok
[07:43] <bazhang> the bans will not be removed.
[07:43] <kevin25> what am i saying wrong?/
[07:43] <bazhang> kevin25, try askubuntu.com and ubuntuforums
[07:43] <kevin25> its been months
[07:44] <kevin25> i need this channel bad
[07:44] <kevin25> ive got 0 work done cause of this
[07:44] <Tm_T> kevin25: ban cannot be removed without discussion
[07:44] <Tm_T> and currently you are avoiding discussing the ban
[07:44] <bazhang> kevin25, well saying that it's a secret, and so on won't move things forward
[07:44] <kevin25> im at a stand still till this matter is resolved lets discuss it
[07:45] <Tm_T> kevin25: start with answering properly to bazhang ...
[07:45] <bazhang> we just did. you refused to answer
[07:46] <kevin25> the real reason ive been banned is somthing u wont beleave im shure
[07:46] <kevin25> what questions do u have for me please
[07:47] <bazhang> kevin25, no more id theft nonsense
[07:47] <kevin25> there u go
[07:48] <kevin25> this cannot be cause of id theft i am shure
[07:49] <kevin25> so what is the real reason
[07:50] <elky> the real reason is your refusal to take responsibility for your own actions
[07:50] <kevin25> u cannot say that
[07:50] <kevin25> u do not know
[07:50] <elky> then tell us why you were banned
[07:51] <kevin25> moment of scitzophenic delusion
[07:52] <kevin25> its why i beleave i did not do it cause of halutionation
[07:53] <elky> and what's to stop this alleged schizophrenia and hallucinations from happening again?
[07:53] <kevin25> my doctor
[07:54] <elky> i doubt your doctor is screening all your internet activity
[07:54] <kevin25> lol
[07:54] <kevin25> just give me a chance
[07:54] <kevin25> please
[07:55] <bazhang> kevin25, askubuntu.com
[07:55] <kevin25> just give me a chance to prove my self on #ubuntu
[07:57] <kevin25> were pretty shure we got this matter under control
[07:57] <kevin25> i must continue this prodject
[07:57] <kevin25> please
[07:59] <kevin25> i am cut totally off from thoes that can help me solve my computing issues without #ubuntu
[07:59] <elky> you're not banned from askubuntu.com as far as I know, so that's untrue.
[07:59] <kevin25> u could be costing me alot of money by keeping me off #ubuntu
[08:00] <kevin25> #ubuntu channel is what i need badly
[08:00] <kevin25> like i said im done till i get back thier
[08:00] <kevin25> its all in your hands
[08:01] <elky> have you even tried askubuntu.com?
[08:01] <bazhang> kevin25, the bans wont be lifted at this time
[08:01] <kevin25> well then my is still a waste thanks for helping out
[08:02] <elky> i'm certainly not going to unban you until I've seen you _try_ askubuntu.com
[08:02] <kevin25> my life is still a waste
[08:02] <kevin25> ok then ill try it
[08:09] <kevin25> my question doesent meet quality standards why did it say that
[08:10] <elky> what did you ask?
[08:10] <kevin25> im trying to figure out how to use ubuntu to flash program bios and also i need to program eeprom
[08:11] <kevin25> so obviously im looking for opinions on that subject on how i can use ubuntu to flash a bios
[08:12] <elky> That's not the kind of thing #ubuntu would be able to answer for you anyway. ##hardware might
[08:13] <kevin25> see this is what i mean thier are things to know about ubuntu to be able to do this!! right???
[08:15] <elky> why would it be ubuntu-specific? you haven't specified what kind of eeprom or bios or anything. if it's arduino, they have their own irc channels too.
[08:16] <kevin25> well i intend on useing ubuntu on my laptop to run linux software to do the flashing
[08:16] <kevin25> so i need to know what works with it and how to use ubuntu to do it
[08:17] <kevin25> for example
[08:17] <elky> you still haven't specified what bios or eeprom
[08:18] <kevin25> why would that matter
[08:18] <kevin25> couldent i do any??
[08:19] <elky> nobody's going to be able to tell you how to use an unnamed bios or eeprom. the tools for the various types differ
[08:20] <kevin25> well ok i will disclose one of what i think is a flash bios chip
[08:20] <kevin25> for old toshiba sattelite
[08:21] <kevin25> the chip is sst
[08:21] <kevin25> umm
[08:21] <bazhang> try ##hardware kevin25
[08:21] <elky> you are really not going to get an answer for how to deal with that in #ubuntu. ask in ##hardware
[08:22] <kevin25> 39vf040
[08:22] <elky> I've been in #ubuntu for 6 years. I can say with confidence they're just going to send you to ##hardware
[08:22] <kevin25> 70-4c-nh 0514207-k
[08:24] <kevin25> ok but what im saying is when i get to a certian point i will need to know how to use ubuntu to do this i cant even figure out how to install the software on ubuntu without #ubuntu channel
[08:26] <kevin25> also i need the ideas i get from reading #ubuntu channel feed
[08:26] <elky> kevin25, i'll guarantee most of them are using ubuntu anyway. the type of toolset you're looking for is not going to be different on ubuntu
[08:27] <kevin25> im not asking what tool set friend
[08:27] <elky> that's exactly what you were asking
[08:27] <kevin25> im asking things i should know about ubuntu to operate
[08:27] <kevin25> why do u think im asking what tool set for
[08:28] <elky> because if you knew, you wouldn't be asking "how to use ubuntu to"
[08:29] <elky> there's nothing ubuntu specific with doing what you want to do. it won't be different on ubuntu to fedora or suse or bsd
[08:30] <kevin25> i have to know how to use ubuntu to do this dont u agree
[08:30] <kevin25> ??
[08:30] <kevin25> since my os is oneiric
[08:31] <elky> if you don't know how to install things and use bash already, you're in waaaaaaay over your head
[08:32] <kevin25> well then maybee i should get on #ubuntu and learn??? and i have bashed a few files before but i cant quite remember
[08:33] <elky> #ubuntu is not going to help you
[08:33] <kevin25> the point im trying to make is i need #ubuntu so that i can learn ubuntu what about that dont make sense???
[08:34] <elky> the bit where you're wanting to "learn ubuntu" to "flash a bios chip or eeprom"
[08:34] <elky> you sound like an episode of ncis
[08:35] <kevin25> well i need to know how to get sofware that works with it and what buttons to push on the ubuntu os to use the programmer
[08:36] <elky> that's not how it works. you don't get "a programmer" with "buttons to push"
[08:36] <elky> not unless you're doing arduino
[08:36] <elky> which still requires you to hand-write the code that goes onto the device
[08:37] <kevin25> im talking about what on ubuntu to click on and what to type in terminl
[08:37] <elky> ##hardware will tell you that
[08:37] <kevin25> ohh hardware will tell me ubuntu specific questions huh???/
[08:38] <kevin25> are u serious
[08:38] <elky> yes.
[08:38] <kevin25> wouldent i get better anser in ubuntu about ubuntu questions
[08:38] <elky> not for these ones, n.
[08:38] <elky> no*
[08:39] <Jordan_U> kevin25: No matter why you "need" to use #ubuntu you aren't going to be unbanned until honestly discuss the reasons you were banned *and* convince us that you will behave in the future. Period.
[08:39] <kevin25> ok then why was i banned lets please discuss this
[08:41] <elky> you were there, you tell us.
[08:41] <bazhang> kevin25, we did. try askubuntu.com
[08:43] <kevin25> well as far as i could see with my own eyes is that u hate my intellegent questions and do not want me to learn all i need to know about ubuntu and computers is the only thing that makes sense but from your point of view u will not agree !!!am i right???
[08:44] <bazhang> no
[08:44] <kevin25> it seems in all your sub concience ness u want to tell me anything that wont solve my issues
[08:44] <kevin25> and u will say that is wrong
[08:45] <kevin25> please tell me how u se e it
[08:45] <bazhang> kevin25, please calm down
[08:45] <kevin25> i am calm
[08:45] <kevin25> why do u think im not calm??
[08:45] <bazhang> kevin25, then try askubuntu.com
[08:46] <kevin25> well i just did remember
[08:46] <kevin25> and u wont tell me exacly why it wont let me enter in my questions
[08:46] <bazhang> kevin25, there's no need to be here and use that website
[08:47] <kevin25> we are supposed to be disscussing why i was banned right??
[08:47] <bazhang> kevin25, that was more than an hour ago
[08:47] <elky> try explaining in detail what you're wanting to do. askubuntu is going to want to know all that information about the chip which you told me earlier, and what exactly you want to make the chip do
[08:49] <kevin25> thats like saying tell me you r master plan so i can keep u useless doing nothing while i do everything u are trying to do and profit from it when i just need my questions ansered it is how this sounds to me is that your intention
[08:49] <kevin25> ???
[08:49] <elky> aaand there's the paranoia again.
[08:51] <kevin25> no its not it is simply not telling everyone what im working on and i know it to be fact 99 percent of the time that is what happens when some one gets detailed info on what exactly im trying to do instead of just telling as much about ubuntu operation as possible
[08:52] <kevin25> only a fool would tell his ideas in full to someone who is going to steal them
[08:53] <bazhang> kevin25, the bans wont be lifted.
[08:53] <kevin25> i feel this is why i get banned cause i will actually do something if i get #ubuntu back
[08:53] <bazhang> kevin25, please part the channel
[08:54] <kevin25> we have not even discussed why i got banned
[08:54] <kevin25> and what i can do to stop it
[08:55] <elky> you refuse to listen to people. that's your problem.
[08:56] <kevin25> if i could see what u type it would be easy pal do u agree??
[08:58] <elky> if you can't see what i type, then what are you responding to>
[08:59] <kevin25> what is relayed to me that i beleave is the problem
[08:59] <kevin25> hackers hacking!!!!!
[08:59] <bazhang> ?
[08:59] <kevin25> aswell do u agree or do u beleave hackers cant hack u
[08:59] <kevin25> lol
[09:00] <Tm_T> bah, I was slow
[09:00] <elky> i bet hackers did that too.
[15:17] <bazhang> since when does a wubi install involve a usb stick and 7zip
[15:18] <mneptok> i knew about the dead crow and mermaid blood, but not that stuff.
[15:18] <bazhang> hehe
[15:22] <bazhang> * [jdhfr] (~quassel@l49-18-203.cn.ru): Ugbnj <----- LINT, complaining
[15:39] <bazhang> he has had a TON of warnings not to just rant
[15:40] <oCean> indeed
[15:40] <mneptok> at least he's given us one last chance.
[15:40] <oCean> multiple times removed from the channel before etc
[15:40] <bazhang> mneptok, heh nice
[15:41] <oCean> heh, now not being nice in pm
[20:07] <Pici> "<greensimian> johnnyonflame: Are you using your computer on a trampoline?"
[21:20] <Jordan_U> Pici: The best part about that comment is that, while it was slightly innapropriate and unhelpful, it actually did make sense in context.
[21:25] <knome> m4v, your fan is on #xubuntu
[21:25] <knome> hmm, he isn't here. weird.
[21:26] <genii-around> knome: I do see him in #u-bots-devel
[21:27] <knome> yeah, i see him in #xubuntu-offtopic
[21:31] <knome> any ideas what how to proceed with singlerr?
[21:32] <knome> he's not making sense in #xubuntu, and he's banned from -es
[22:28] <mneptok> knome: #ubuntu-irc for loco channel issues.
[22:28] <IdleOne> @xubuntu isn't  loco channel :)
[22:28] <IdleOne> s/@/#/
[22:29] <mneptok> IdleOne: knome pointed a user here to resolve a ban in #ubuntu-es
[22:29] <IdleOne> ah, yeah.
[22:29] <IdleOne> bad knome, bad bad bad.
[22:29] <knome> oh well
[22:29] <knome> :)
[22:30] <knome> hai!
[22:30]  * Jordan_U read that "hai!" in Navi's voice.
[22:30] <knome> who's navi?
[22:31] <Jordan_U> knome: http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Navi
[22:31] <knome> aha
[22:32] <knome> if you fancy me talking in that voice... go ahead :P
[22:36] <elky> you mean you're not an inch tall fae?
[22:36] <knome> nay


[09:19] <ismail> can i get some help here?
[09:19] <nalioth> ismail: help with what?
[09:19] <ismail> geting my vcds work underubuntu 6.10
[09:20] <ismail> iv already installed the codecs
[09:20] <ismail> and mplayer
[09:20] <ismail> gtreamer
[09:20] <nikin> yeah i have VCD problem to
[09:20] <ismail> has anyone found a way to make themwork?
[09:20] <ismail> they work fine in suse
[09:21] <nalioth> ismail: use vlc
[09:21] <ismail> i did
[09:21] <ismail> didnt work
[09:21] <ismail> mplayer doesnt work
[09:21] <ismail> xine and gxine dont work either
[09:21] <nalioth> is the vcd playable elsewhere?
[09:22] <ismail> yup
[09:22] <nalioth> crimson: i'ne not forgotten you
[09:22] <ismail> windows
[09:22] <nalioth> vlc plays all my vcds
[09:22] <ismail> works fine there
[09:22] <crimson> nalioth: no rush, i can wait for a bit
[09:22] <ismail> back when i was using suse 10.0 it worked there too
[09:22] <nikin> nailoth: my VLC does not recognize any other drivers than theora
[09:23] <nikin> i have installed all codecs
[09:23] <nalioth> crimson: <reply> When a program or configure script asks for "X
[09:23] <nalioth> includes", you should probably install the following packages:
[09:23] <nalioth> xlibs-dev   xlibs-static-dev   x-window-system-dev
[09:24] <crimson> nalioth: thanks, i'll give it a whirl
[09:24] <nalioth> !xincludes
[09:24] <ubotu> When a program or configure script asks for "X includes", you should probably install the following packages: xlibs-dev   xlibs-static-dev   x-window-system-dev
[09:25] <nalioth> nikin: vlc includes its own drivers
[09:25] <nalioth> it doesnt use system drivers
[09:25] <ismail> i think vlc needs libxine to work
[09:26] <ismail> ok i get this error
[09:26] <nikin> nailoth:i even tryed to just open the dat file on the disc
[09:27] <ismail> no plugin to handle this movie
[09:27] <ismail> thats what i get
[09:28] <nalioth> ismail: all i can recommend is vlc
[09:28] <nalioth> i'm not much of a vcd watcher
[09:30] <crimson> nalioth: sorry, but the xinclude error has been solved but now i get this:  Qt (>= Qt 3.3 and < 4.0) (headers and libraries) not found.
[09:30] <nalioth> crimson: how experienced are you at compiling things?
[09:31] <crimson> nalioth i have experience with programming, but not with compiling programs in this nature
[09:31] <nalioth> when it complains about "FOO not found" when you are trying to compile, visit synaptic and find FOO-dev or FOO-devel and install those packages


[00:27] <Flannel> sigh
[00:28] <Flannel> Artichoke200: how can we help you?
[00:28] <Artichoke200> I need to get in #ubuntu
[00:29] <Artichoke200> Every time I try to get in, it takes me to the proxy thing
[00:29] <Artichoke200> I'm not using a proxy
[00:29] <Flannel> Artichoke200: You were just in #ubuntu, you were abusive.
[00:29] <Artichoke200> ..
[00:29] <Artichoke200> I was, but I can't get back in
[00:29] <Flannel> Artichoke200: What did you need the ops for in #ubuntu?
[00:30] <Artichoke200> Everyone was mad at me for giving my opinion, and also, I wanted to know how to get past the proxy thing
[00:31] <Flannel> Artichoke200: you were already in #ubuntu at that time
[00:31] <Artichoke200> I know
[00:31] <Artichoke200> But I wanted to know how to get past that next time I come to #ubuntu
[00:31] <Artichoke200> When I leave
[00:32] <Artichoke200> Could someone get me in #ubuntu?
[00:36] <Flannel> Artichoke200: Before I do, do you understand that you were being rude and offtopic?
[00:36] <Artichoke200> Yes.
[00:36] <Flannel> Artichoke200: and it won't happen again?
[00:37] <Artichoke200> Mhmm
[00:37] <Flannel> Can I get you to read the IRC guidelines, so that there's no ambiguity about the rules in #ubuntu
[00:37] <Flannel> !guidelines | Artichoke200
[00:38] <Artichoke200> Okay
[00:38] <Artichoke200> Will you let me in now?
[00:40] <Flannel> Artichoke200: try reconnecting
[00:40] <Artichoke200> Ok
[00:40] <Artichoke200> Thanks
[00:41] <Flannel> Artichoke200: If there's nothing else we can help you with today, please part this channel.  thanks
[00:42] <Artichoke200> Okay
[00:55] <Jack_Sparrow> @login
[00:56] <Jack_Sparrow> @btlogin
[01:06] <LjL> hi. may i ask how this sort of behavior http://paste.ubuntu.com/183250/ is compatible with being let back into the channel almost immediately
[01:07] <jussi01> LjL: has there been an issue since him being let back in? (I havent looked)
[01:08] <LjL> jussi01: not a big issue, although asking how one becomes an op sounds trollish enough to me.
[01:09] <jussi01> LjL: hrm, well lets watch him, and see. we can always re-ban.
[01:09] <LjL> is the current belief among ops that if someone appears to have more or less understood what #ubuntu is about, everything they might have done 5 minutes earlier is forgiven and forgotten, even if they spammed the channel, wasted people's time, etc?
[01:09] <LjL> is there any respect for the time actual non-trolls put into the channel?
[01:10] <Flannel> LjL: I banned him, I let him back in, I dealt with that question.  I'm not forgetting anything.
[01:10] <LjL> i don't believe he should be entitled to receive support in #ubuntu *in the first place*, after the way he behaved.
[01:10] <LjL> irc is a privilege, not a right.
[01:10] <jussi01> LjL: its not forgive and forget, just a second chance to sort himself out.
[01:11] <LjL> jussi01: he was given a second chance twice, since he was given !ot twice, not counting your !language
[01:12] <jussi01> LjL: he has come here, been spoken too, and agreed to sort it out. if its a problem again, we can ban him again, then move on.
[01:13] <LjL> jussi01: then look at what he's just saying in #ubuntu please.
[01:14] <jussi01> LjL: right, Im watching now, and I assume Flannel is also,
[01:14] <LjL> of course.
[01:14] <LjL> bye.
[01:20] <Flannel> Alright, heading home.  So, I'm no longer watching him intently ;)
[05:08] <elky> wait, did artichoke use mibbit the first time?
[05:09] <elky> he did ok. for a moment there it looked sus.
[05:11] <Flannel> thats the only reason it ended up being a ban
[05:11] <elky> i do fail to believe that 45 seconds is long enough to read the guidelines.
[05:11] <Flannel> (and why I removed it even after it was clear he only glanced at the guidelines)
[05:12] <Flannel> If he wasn't using mibbit, it would've only been a removal, not a ban.
[05:12] <elky> meanwhile you've taught him it's ok to pretend to read the guidelines. congrats.
[05:12] <Flannel> No, he agreed to follow them, whether or not he actually read them.
[05:13] <Flannel> There isn't *that* much to read.
[05:13] <elky> Flannel, we are not into running con-jobs. i'd much rather people know what they're agreeing to.
[05:13] <Flannel> elky: 45 seconds is enough to read the actual guidelines.  You don't need to read the paragraphs to understand them.
[05:13] <Flannel> But the point still stands, were he not using mibbit, he wouldn't have been banned at all, just removed, and would've been able to come back right away.
[05:15] <elky> mibbit or not. ban or not. please make sure that when people read the guidelines, they *actually* read the guidelines. if they dont and get taught they can fake it, then they're *never* going to read them.
[05:16] <elky> they're not going to read them when they have a real ban, since their experience tells them that we're absolute freaking fools.
[05:16] <elky> i'd really rather us not be considered absolute freaking fools. it makes things *harder*.
[05:35] <Flannel> elky: +1
[06:22] <Flannel> nice, no takers.
[08:10]  * Myrtti nibbles Chipmunk
[08:10] <Chipmunk> mmmm
[08:10]  * Chipmunk bites Myrtti
[08:10] <Tm_T> hurry, pull his whiskers!
[08:11]  * Chipmunk scarpers away
[08:13] <Bacta> Hello Flannel
[08:20] <Flannel> Hi Bacta
[08:20] <Bacta> Hello :)
[08:21] <Bacta> Was wondering if we could talk about this ban
[08:24] <ikonia> what's up ?
[08:27] <Bacta> Pizza :)
[08:28] <ikonia> ok, what do you want to talk about, what ban, and what's your take this morning
[08:30] <Bacta> My take this morning?
[08:30] <ikonia> yes, what do you want to talk about, what's your comment for this morning
[08:31] <Bacta> Ok, well Flannel said he would consider removing it on Wednesday
[08:32] <Bacta> it's now Friday my time and I haven't had the chance to talk to him about it until now
[08:33] <Flannel> I did say that,
[08:33] <Flannel> However, at that time I had overlooked a previous discussion you had where you were told to come back "in a month" (from mid May)
[08:33] <Bacta> I see
[08:34] <ikonia> Flannel: ahhh good you are active, I thought you had skulked off
[08:34] <Flannel> ikonia: I didn't see a need to ask the same question you were asking :)  I was finishing something up in another window though.
[08:35] <ikonia> Bacta: anything else ?
[09:10]  * jussi01 waves
[09:10] <Flannel> Howdy jussi01
[13:10]  * Pici yawns
[13:11] <jussi01> Pici: dont jinx it, quiet days are good.
[13:11]  * Myrtti gives Pici a lollipop
[13:12] <Pici> jussi01: Oh, I'm tired, not bored at #u
[13:33] <ikonia> 1
[13:38] <Pici> 2
[13:38] <ikonia> sory
[13:38] <ikonia> sorry - typo
[13:38] <Pici> I'm not sure I can forgive you
[13:42] <ikonia> oh go on
[13:43] <Jack_Sparrow> Shuuuuuush,  Hehe, be verrrrrrrwy quiet, we are hunting moles...
[13:43] <Myrtti> *yawn*
[14:09] <Jack_Sparrow> @login
[14:09] <Jack_Sparrow> @btlogin
[14:18] <genii> @login
[14:18] <genii> @btlogin
[14:18] <Jack_Sparrow> Coffee is on me this am
[14:22] <Myrtti> I need milk for that :-(
[14:23] <Jack_Sparrow> I use half cocoa in every coffee
[14:24] <Jack_Sparrow> FYI  from earlier    <epiclulz> dont make me f****** ddos you                  * added by me
[14:26] <genii> Man. I sooo need coffee today too
[14:26] <genii> Jack_Sparrow: Hold the cocoa please
[16:42] <Myrtti> should I understand what's going on in -ot?
[16:49] <Myrtti> I don't know what to say or think
[16:58] <Pici> ditto
[17:10] <Myrtti> mattwhatever is tiptoeing on it
[17:10] <Pici> Yes.
[17:10] <Myrtti> and I'm gonna get some proper trousers on (not gonna go shopping with my jammies on) and get some milk and perhaps a wee ickle can of cider or perry
[18:42] <Pici> meh
[19:38] <Mamarok> hm, had this aa3b in my focus this afternoon in #k, laughing at people without reason...
[19:40] <Mamarok> http://paste.ubuntu.com/183829/
[20:07] <Pici> He was talking about me.
[20:08] <Pici> He claimed I was stalking him because I was in #ubuntu AND #ubuntu-offtopic AND #kubuntu and so was he.
[20:08] <Flannel> Pici: er... you're stalking me too!
[20:09] <Flannel> You're in #ubuntu-ops as well...
[20:09] <Pici> oh no!
[20:09] <Flannel> and... and... stalker!
[20:09] <Myrtti> OH NOES!
[20:09] <Myrtti> HIDE
[20:09] <Pici> *gasp*
[21:21] <ikonia> meatball: you are being blocked from ubuntu because your ident is "fuckoff"
[21:22] <meatball> whoops
[21:45] <Gary> Myrtti: you should have gone shopping with your jim jams on, it'd have been funny
[21:46] <Myrtti> they did ask for my id at alko anyway
[21:46] <Myrtti> ie. state monopoly for booze
[21:47] <Gary> haha, in finland?
[21:47] <Myrtti> yeah
[21:47] <Myrtti> ah, to be young again
[21:48] <Myrtti> tomorrow the schools end and graduation parties
[21:48]  * Myrtti remembers hers ten years ago
[21:48] <Myrtti> the cake and the bubbly wine \o/
[21:51] <Tm_T> kids...
[23:14] <tomaw> does someone here know the dates for the '09 ubuntu dev summit?
[23:15] <tomaw> ah, nm it seems google + channel topics know
[23:15] <Daviey> tomaw: karmic finished today :)
[23:16] <tomaw> aye
[23:16] <tomaw> using google to search for it seemed to require I know the silly names rather than it was the latest one
[23:16] <Daviey> :D
[23:17] <Myrtti> tomaw: wiki.ubuntu.com/uds --> wiki.ubuntu.com/udskarmic
[23:17] <tomaw> sadly that doesn't seem quickly locatable using google
[23:37]  * genii sips


[14:28] <Alaniusxb> apple masters :D
[14:28] <Alaniusxb> I think debian has a working irssi-otr
[14:28] <Alaniusxb> ie really humid setting
[14:37] <gnustompWS> my semi tall/thin size is not common in stores.. hard to find stuff that's not baggy; however, online, I don't know how one goes about trying them. :/
[14:37] <gnustompWS> sprechen sie Deustche?
[14:56] <Guest37692> I guess I could do a group by on that
[14:56] <Guest37692> global warming was just a hoax created by big ice cream companies
[14:56] <Guest37692> furrywolf: that's an atheme decision, but if it was mine, I'd stay away of throwing a (relational) database at anything that doesn't really require one
[15:02] <BiGBOi_> the "highly sensitive" in docs just means you must not share this file with anyone
[15:02] <BiGBOi_> lol, M$ is going to start charging monthly fees for win10
[15:02] <BiGBOi_> cant beat pbo
[15:02] <BiGBOi_> then you probably want the awk
[15:02] <BiGBOi_> why in the world would you want an x11 version of it
[15:09] <pasky`> hello guys, quick question: I want multiple lines in my function definition to make it easier to read, how would I do that? this is what I am trying to get to work: https://pastebin.com/HhKZuF2f
[15:09] <pasky`> MilkManzJourDaddy [99-Problems/A📌🚁/Falayalaralfali]: which extban are you referring to?
[15:09] <pasky`> ah, same as me
[15:09] <pasky`> superconductors are so weird
[15:09] <pasky`> https://twitter.com/shwayest/status/1041704226295033859
[15:09] <ubrl> pasky`: ⇪ 取标题 404 Not Found
[15:14] <TheLugalxb> even the button is different
[15:14] <TheLugalxb> burzos:  sure, in that a FIN will be sent
[16:04] <tardybaker> and what does it do?
[16:04] <tardybaker> zap0, yes, you can see, there is a compiler error when I use the printf function
[16:18] <Tranquility> Then I drew it wrong.
[16:18] <Tranquility> I will have to change the file names to Hex(I was doing a binary file name based on the inputs given from buttons)
[16:19] <Tranquility> and has a web interface
[16:19] <Tranquility>  She shows her face every couple months wanting some affection
[16:19] <Tranquility> Is doing `struct_a->attribute_a` any considerable faster than `struct_a->middle->another->attribute_a` even if I'm doing it thousands of times?
[16:19] <Tranquility> but I don't think that affects all the components
[17:07] <ksft> or do you do the marker in the prusa i3 trick
[17:07] <ksft> 4K UHD only gets like 4 or 5 FPS
[17:50] <Sispeo> kurahaupo: Yes sir, that's why i got stoked when I heard him/her say it. 4 months of class + that project is pretty big if you look at it in designing + development + db aspects.
[17:50] <Sispeo> SLegion: Depends on what the list of ips are like.  Do you have newlines separating stuff?  Do you want to preserve it?
[17:50] <Sispeo> (also what if c is in an arbitrary position, sure youd have to implement it a bit differnt))
[17:50] <Sispeo> ilmari: uhm, ok thanks
[17:50] <Sispeo> yes, I had it all set up there and I have port forwarding set up on pfSense
[17:50] <Sispeo> Not their exact values.
[18:07] <eboda> looks like udev is crashing
[18:07] <eboda> let me try that -i path/to/priv/key
[18:56] <dshinWl> һuᥒger is nഠt ԁоiᥒɡ Alⅼаh ⅰѕ ԁοiᥒɡ
[18:56] <dshinWl> curious if it's still happening. +r works
[18:56] <dshinWl> I could have set it to anything I guess but I was using a predefined sketch that I had no confidence in altering as I am not a coder
[19:16] <aty`> I think I see where they're getting "second time", they mean because the 2nd example is run sequentially after the first
[19:16] <aty`> It worked after i left conversation with bot and reinvited it
[19:16] <aty`> via ssh command by ip
[19:24] <fryguybo1> it wasn't as bad as their hard drives
[19:24] <fryguybo1> OK, so unclassified is partitioned into multiple tables. And the planner is scanning some of the partitions.
[19:24] <fryguybo1> ARMIGER1: You can try +r.
[19:45] <kolinsDA> rts-sander: Ah! I was using the options in the wrong place... Thanks!
[19:45] <kolinsDA> dimoxa - <IP_ADDRESS> (DE - netname: DTAG-DIAL102)
[19:45] <kolinsDA> best way to protest against a company is not to buy their product/service
[20:36] <garyzeassholeVI> we need it to become a business
[20:36] <garyzeassholeVI> already happened to me, it was a pain in the ass
[20:37] <garyzeassholeVI> so set -f first.
[20:37] <garyzeassholeVI> bizarre questions make one think outside of the box
[21:28] <CatatronicAd> plаnеtѕ are ᥒot dഠiᥒg Αllɑh is dⲟіᥒg
[21:28] <CatatronicAd> or similar
[21:28] <CatatronicAd> aclaivi: Arch is good, as long as you don't run into SystemD issues like I did. Works perfectly fine on my Desktop, but I need to avoid it fro my laptop.
[21:28] <CatatronicAd> It ain't bad. All metal.
[21:28] <CatatronicAd> so i cant +R
[21:29] <CatatronicAd> zphinx: we aren't a general lookup service.


[00:43] <Unit193> bluesabre: Uhh, xfdashy isn't in our packageset: "The signer of this package is lacking the upload rights for the source package, component or package set in question."
[02:58] <bluesabre> Unit193, I should probably fix that :)
[03:42] <Unit193> I tried to push a new one, deeeenied.
[16:29] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: we must try and make sure that someone canonicalish actually is aware that all the lives head straight to desktop
[16:30] <flocculant> those auto tests are ok - but I'm not convinced they'd see that
[16:30] <akxwi-dave> deffo , i would have though that someone on their side would know that by now... but hey
[16:31] <flocculant> yup
[16:33] <akxwi-dave> who's the best to grab.. Laney?
[16:38] <flocculant> cypher mox is the one I go to for ubiquity things - mostly just to make sure he knows - he's pretty good at not forgetting too :)
[16:38] <flocculant> he does idle in here too
[16:38] <flocculant> helps that it fails in ubuntu too ;)
[16:40] <akxwi-dave> true... usually see cypher during the week.. so will try and grab him
[16:41] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: did you catch the e 16.04.2 business this last week?
[16:41] <flocculant> eg put back till beginning feb
[16:41] <akxwi-dave> yup back to feb aint it
[16:41] <flocculant> cool
[16:42] <akxwi-dave> nr=ew kernel i belive going into it
[16:42] <flocculant> mesa and stuff too I think
[16:43] <akxwi-dave> makes sense to hold back then,,, those are some good things
[16:43] <flocculant> yea
[16:49] <flocculant> knome: on http://docs.xubuntu.org/contributors/development.html
[16:50] <flocculant> is there anyway that we can make the current dev release 'dynamic' ?
[16:50] <flocculant> because currently it's 2 cycles out ...
[16:51] <flocculant> if not perhaps we should lose that as a link
[16:52] <flocculant> maybe I'll just reword what we have there - the packageset gets a link to 'the whole lot' later
[16:53] <flocculant> slickymaster: just so you are aware - I'm checking through the cont docs ... something I chatted with knome about when you were off doing life :)
[17:25] <flocculant> knome: also building the cont docs here got some warnings and fails - though it all appears to be there *shrug* http://paste.ubuntu.com/23847083/ if anyone wants to check
[20:20] <flocculant> knome: also - there are differences between the branch I grabbed and what's at http://docs.xubuntu.org/contributors/ - what's that about?
[20:37] <knome> flocculant, updating is manual, that's likely why
[20:47] <flocculant> knome: okey doke - so branch contains changes not landed yet - couldn't find any reference to changes to it anywhere
[20:48] <flocculant> nvm - found it now :p
[21:02] <flocculant> anyway - as is obvious - I'm working through that stuff now


[00:24] <Bashing-om> UWN: We do the 1st issue of July, 742 :D
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[06:50] <dpm> good morning all
[07:06] <dholbach> good morning
[07:09] <dpm> hey dholbach, good morning
[07:09] <dholbach> ¡hola dpm!
[07:10] <dpm> :)
[07:59] <kim0> dpm: dholbach morning o/
[08:03] <AlanBell> someone wanted dholbach for something
[08:03] <AlanBell> ah yes, BarkingFish was politely declining something and sent you a memo
[08:03] <dholbach> kim0, صباح الخير
[08:03] <dholbach> AlanBell, hm? :)
[08:05] <AlanBell> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/09/21/%23ubuntu-community-team.html#t18:55
[08:06] <kim0> dholbach: :)
[08:08] <dholbach> ahh, memo - just saw it
[08:08] <dholbach> no problem, I'll reply to the mail I sent
[08:13] <dholbach> thanks AlanBell
[08:27] <popey> Morning all!
[09:38] <akgraner> morning all - can you all retweet for me - Call for Testing - Ubuntu Friendly - http://is.gd/S4dvPb  (we need more people testing)  - pls and thank you!
[09:47] <kim0> akgraner: done
[09:47] <akgraner> kim0, thanks no go test your system :-P
[09:47] <akgraner> s/no/now
[09:56] <kim0> hehe :)
[11:07]  * nigelb hugs dholbach
[11:07]  * dholbach hugs nigelb back
[11:08] <nigelb> dholbach: That must've been fun chasing :)
[11:09] <dholbach> it wasn't me :)
[11:09] <nigelb> dholbach: You didn't know about the provider did you? :P
[11:10] <nigelb> at least until I said there's a provider
[11:10] <dholbach> Marianna just asked somebody who was working on the forms stuff :)
[11:10] <nigelb> HA! :-)
[11:10] <nigelb> Well, glad its all sorted out
[11:11]  * nigelb goes back to work
[11:12] <dholbach> :)
[11:20] <czajkowski> Aloha all
[11:22] <daker> good morning ツ
[11:48] <czajkowski> I'd be miffed if I went to the round of creating a patch and someone wrote the comment #2 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=659693
[11:48] <ubot2> Gnome bug 659693 in general "EOG should have gesture support" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[11:51] <mhall119> czajkowski: bad blood
[11:54] <mhall119> Canonical employee submits a patch to Gnome, some people are going to be haters no matter what
[11:55] <czajkowski> nods
[12:24] <kim0> hmm .. bzr push on lucid doesn't understand lp: protocol ?
[12:25] <kim0> any idea what was that named then
[12:25] <doctormo> kim0: You can install the extra package for bzr though
[12:25] <kim0> bzr-extra ?
[12:25] <doctormo> One second, answering an ask, brb
[12:26] <kim0> sure
[13:06] <doctormo> kim0: Are you still issuing?
[13:07] <kim0> doctormo: nvm .. I was helping someone, and it turned out to be a firewall issue :)
[13:11] <doctormo> kim0: Right you are.
[15:01] <jono> kim0, give me two mins and then we will get started on Skype
[15:02] <kim0> Ok
[15:02] <jono> dholbach, what is your ETA on the bottleneck stats?
[15:02] <jono> dholbach, thanks also for slide 7 update
[15:03] <dholbach> jono, I'm still working on fixing the graphs
[15:03] <dholbach> for a few hours now and I hope to have it done soon
[15:04] <jono> thanks dholbach
[15:33] <jcastro> heya nigelb
[15:33] <jcastro> http://uds.ubuntu.com/uds-sponsors/
[15:34] <jcastro> anything I can do about that trailing bit of text on the rackspace paragraph?
[15:34] <jcastro> I want to push it over to the right
[15:50] <jcastro> jono: do you know how to rollback a page in wordpress?
[15:51] <jono> jcastro, not sure
[15:51] <jcastro> sigh
[15:51] <jcastro> ok I'm going to have to punt this page to the web team or something, I'm just making it worse over time.
[16:00] <jcastro> aha!
[16:00] <jcastro> Screen Options -> Show Revisions
[16:00] <jcastro> praise the maker!
[16:07] <nigelb> jcastro: OHAI
[16:07] <nigelb> Looking
[16:08] <czajkowski> jcastro: I was sure we had this chat last week :)
[16:10] <nigelb> jcastro: Needs a bit of messing around. But I'm sure it can be done.
[16:10] <jcastro> nah, it's not worth it right now
[16:10] <nigelb> Oh. Cool.
[16:36] <jcastro> ok so that's nice
[16:36] <jcastro> it's not accepting any changes I save now
[16:38] <nigelb> lol
[16:42] <jcastro> nigelb: ok
[16:42] <jcastro> hey can you try to edit the urls on the front page to point to cloudfoundry, rackspace, and google?
[16:42] <nigelb> ok
[16:44]  * dholbach calls it a day - see you all tomorrow
[16:44] <jcastro> nigelb: also, since I had to revert the page I lost that little loco-columns tweak you had
[16:45] <nigelb> jcastro: I'll get it
[16:45] <nigelb> jcastro: URLs should be up now
[16:47] <nigelb> jcastro: loco-columns fixed as wwell :)
[16:49] <jcastro> ok you done editing?
[16:50] <jcastro> I have to change it all again, hah
[16:51] <nigelb> WHAT
[16:52] <nigelb> I'm out, go ahead :)
[19:01] <BarkingFish> Don't tell me I've missed dholbach again :)
[19:11] <nigelb> BarkingFish: Yeah, you did.
[19:11] <BarkingFish> mxyzptlk.
[19:12] <BarkingFish> I wanted to talk to him too, that's 2 nights I've come in too late to catch him
[19:12] <nigelb> What timezone are you?
[19:17] <BarkingFish> UTC/Daylight
[19:19] <nigelb> You should be able to catch him in your daytime.
[19:23] <BarkingFish> ah well that's tricky.  I'm at work mostly during the daytime, I don't normally get in until about 5pm
[19:27] <nigelb> In which case, email.
[19:27] <nigelb> Because it sounds like a good overlap over Daniel's working hours
[19:29] <BarkingFish> I'm normally at work 7am to 4pm or 8am to 5pm
[19:31] <nigelb> UTC right?
[19:32] <BarkingFish> either
[19:33] <BarkingFish> we're in summer time here at the moment, but it's 7am UTC or BST, the time of the shift start and end doesn't change
[19:33] <nigelb> Right, so best bet, take it to email.
[19:33] <nigelb> Daniel is good at replying to email.
[19:34] <BarkingFish> ok, no problem, I'd imagine it's better I do that.
[19:39] <Pici> This isn't exactly a community question, but I'm being asked by a user elsewhere about a bug that a Canonical employee filed that has a link on it that seems to go to a canonical server that requires special access to see. comment #2 on http://pad.lv/839609 was the example I was given, but they say that they've seen similar on other bugs.
[19:41] <nigelb> Pici: It would have been nice to attach that to the bug, yes.
[19:42] <hggdh> jcastro: there is a request for bug-control from a 'svens' (https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bugcontrol/+member/svens). Is it an uptreamer?
[19:42] <Pici> Well the user wants to know what can be done about it, and I'm really not sure who or what should handle that.
[19:43] <nigelb> Pici: Which user?
[19:43] <Pici> nigelb: macer1
[19:43] <hggdh> on -bugs, just saw it, reading the backlog, pici
[19:44] <nigelb> you could just ask someone with access (hint hint) to download and attach
[19:48] <hggdh> Pici: well, generically, I would say public data should be put on public servers or -- and in fact ideally -- added as an attachment to the bug
[19:48] <hggdh> Pici: I had a look at it, seems public indeed. But I am not the owner
[19:49] <Pici> hggdh: I agree. I just don't know if this is something that should be educated within Canonical, or if its something else.
[19:50] <hggdh> Pici: I would tend to education. There is people.c.c that can be used for public data. Chinstrap, really, is not the correct place
[19:50] <nigelb> Maybe they forgot it wasnt public.
[19:52] <hggdh> it is possible, yes
[20:01] <mhall119> +1 for education
[20:15] <hggdh> well, the poster just did not know which place to put it. Education wins again! :-)
[20:16] <hggdh> Pici: I think it is mostly localised to new Canonicalers, and will see if we can send out something about it
[20:16] <hggdh> Pici: thank you for bringing this up
[20:18] <Pici> hggdh: thanks for assisting
[21:22] <czajkowski> great turn out for the happy hour from both community and canonical


[02:38] <lyn-next> I have a lubuntu next in a live session on real hardware
[02:39] <tsimonq2> :D
[02:39] <tsimonq2> Me too!
[02:40] <lyn-next> tsimonq2, what should I report a bug against if not connnected to ethernet it takes 5 minutes to boot because it cannot raise network interfaces
[02:40] <tsimonq2> lyn-next: Well it's just the fact that we literally have no network manager installed by defauly.
[02:40] <tsimonq2> *default
[02:40] <lyn-next> yeah
[02:40] <tsimonq2> In fact, I was *just* playing with that. :)
[02:41] <lyn-next> not even ifconfig
[02:41] <lyn-next> lxqt-runner is working :D
[02:46] <lyn-next> I will copy/paste this line with qlipper.
[04:29] <tsimonq2> lynorian: The most recent respin of Lubuntu Next should have network-manager and network-manager-gnome
[15:05] <My> Hello
 Allah is not doing, lxqt-runner is doing
 @wxl23, LOL
 @wxl23, .____.
 CoC!
 Corrosion of Conformity?
 No. Code of conduct. No take about religion! Only sex.
 .____.


[18:16] <econnell> i'm trying to create a config for apache traffic server, and it behaves a bit odd.  you exec a program called traffic_cop which then spawns 2 other processes.  Is there a way to wait for all processes within the process group to terminate before declaring the job as stopped?  (running upstart 1.5-0ubuntu7)
[18:19] <SpamapS> econnell: does traffic_cop stay resident? if so, thats the process/group that will be tracked
[18:20] <econnell> yes, it does stay resident and it does not daemonize (i.e. no expect statement in the config)
[18:20] <SpamapS> then that should behave as you'd expect.. kill to the process group
[18:20] <econnell> is that the default behavior?  to wait for all members of the process group before stopping?
[18:21] <econnell> yes, i see the kill signal is sent to the group, but it appears to only wait for the main tracked process to stop rather than all processes in the group (i think... it's hard to tell)
[18:23] <SpamapS> yeah I'm tracking down how job_process_terminate is called
[18:24] <SpamapS> getting into libnih at that point
[18:24] <SpamapS> econnell: ultimately traffic_cop should be killing and waiting for its own children...
[18:24] <SpamapS> econnell: this is just a question of cleaning up and timing I guess
[18:26] <SpamapS> econnell: it looks to me like only the main process would be waited on
[18:27] <SpamapS> econnell: I believe if traffic_cop exits without waiting for its children, pid 1 will inherit them as zombies and then they'll be cleaned up in the normal zombie cleanup way
[18:29] <econnell> yeah... that's happening, the actual problem i'm trying to solve is with restarting the job... the timing causes it to occasionally try to start traffic_cop before the children are killed, which causes some other weird problems
[18:30] <econnell> is there a way to determine what the pgid that's being tracked is in a script?  if so, i could hack a post-stop script that waits i suppose
[18:38] <SpamapS> econnell: pgid == parent pid
[18:38] <SpamapS> econnell: post-stop doesn't get called in the 'restart' action btw..
[18:40] <econnell> interesting... i assumed restart == stop, then start...
[18:55] <econnell> SpamapS: are you sure about that?   during restart i see: init: Handling stopping event
[19:09] <SpamapS> econnell: stopping yes, but I don't believe post-stop is the next step
[19:09] <SpamapS> restart is a little wonky
[19:10] <SpamapS> pre-stops aren't run
[19:39] <econnell> SpamapS: alright... i got it working... but this is kinda hackish... can i suggest a feature to have an option to wait for everything in the process group to die?
[20:00] <SpamapS> econnell: it really is a corner case. Ideally the *parent* would not die till its children do
[20:00] <SpamapS> econnell: sounds mostly like a bug in traffic_cop's signal handler
[20:00] <econnell> yeah.. i'm pestering the traffic server guys about it now too :)