[00:00] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: if you mean a pop up that comes up when a windows computer is turned on I don't think that's kmail unless you have a good reasoning behind why kmail would be doing that. it's much more likely to be solid
[00:00] <Daskreech> reisio: ctrl+D ?
[00:00] <Daskreech> oh wait
[00:00] <Daskreech>  sorry
[00:00] <Daskreech> don't do that hold on :)
[00:00] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: i did not understand a word of what you just said to me
[00:01] <BluesKaj> BBL, stuff to do
[00:01] <Daskreech> reisio: wait ctrl+shift+T opens a new tab for me. Was I reading what you said wrong?
[00:01] <Daskreech> bye BluesKaj
[00:01] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: what does a windows computer have to do with the kmail popup warnings that most kubuntu 11.10 users see once they log in?
[00:02] <reisio_> lost my connection, who just said something to me? =)
[00:02] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: Ok I'm going crosseyed weren't you asking about a pop up that comes up anytime a windows computer comes on the network?
[00:02] <Daskreech> reisio: wait ctrl+shift+T opens a new tab for me. Was I reading what you said wrong?
[00:02] <Daskreech> Or was that a different chan?
[00:03] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: i think so far nearly every time you've responded to me, you have been answering some question i never asked :-)
[00:03] <Daskreech> Sorry both of you were asking about notifications everytime you logged in I got muddled. Sorry Kmail what is it saying to you?
[00:04] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: it is this same popup that everyone sees in 11.10.... i do not remember what it says
[00:04] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: is this a plasma popup or a dialog box?
[00:04] <jmichaelx> i should remember, since i have now seen it hundreds of times
[00:04] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: lol nevermind
[00:05] <Daskreech> I mean I've had akonadi errors etc. Is it an informative message or an error message?
[00:05] <Daskreech> If i can guess the source it'll be easier to tell it to stop
[00:06] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: no idea how it would be classified... but you should know what i am talking about, since everyone sees it in 11.10, unless they have disabled it
[00:07] <jmichaelx> it's not a big deal, just an annoyance
[00:07] <Daskreech> Ok well when I see it I'll let you know :)
[00:07] <Snowhog> jmichaelx: What ever it is you are referring to, I don't see it when I log in.
[00:07] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: you have seen it
[00:08] <reisio> Daskreech: know how to close a split view in konsole?
[00:08] <jmichaelx> Snowhog: i should not have said everyone, but it is a well-known issue in 11.10.
[00:08] <Daskreech> reisio: ctrl+D
[00:08] <jmichaelx> i just don't know the solution... and do not have kmail installed
[00:08] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: ! That's worrying
[00:08] <Snowhog> Daskreech: akonadi mail-dispatch agent looking for what isn't present??
[00:09] <jmichaelx> Snowhog: perhaps.... although i get the message whether kmail is installed or not
[00:09] <Daskreech> well if he doesn't have kmail I'm not sure why he would have an akonadi mail agent
[00:10] <jmichaelx> ok, nevermind.... i have seen this come up in this room many times now, but never took note of what anyone did to stop the popup. i'll figure it out
[00:12] <szal> as of now, KMail 2 is a total failure, imho
[00:12] <jmichaelx> would have been more helpful if i had noted what the popup says lol. i could reboot right now in order to see it again, but don't feel like it
[00:13] <szal> jmichaelx: you mean that message bus or something error on KDE startup?
[00:13] <jmichaelx> szal: yea, i think that's the one
[00:13] <szal> "Failed to catch message collection" or something
[00:14] <jmichaelx> no, i believe it does mention the mail dispatch agent. i removed kmail hoping that would stop the popup, but that made no difference
[00:14]  * szal ignores it already, doesn't seem to have consequences (unless perhaps you actually use KMail 2)
[00:14] <szal> jmichaelx: yes, that's it
[00:15] <jmichaelx> szal: yea, i could just ignore it, too... but over time it annoys me more and more
[00:15] <jmichaelx> that's combined with a large number of other small annoyances with 11.10... they are adding up
[00:16] <szal> jmichaelx: indeed
[00:16] <szal> which is why I'm looking elsewhere, though I still need to find the time to switch
[00:18] <jmichaelx> szal: same here... not sure what to switch to. i have one machine running gentoo, which has given me no problems at all (gentoo is still using KDE 4.6.5), but the though of installing gentoo on everything else i have gives me less than enthusiastic feelings
[00:18] <jmichaelx> thought*
[00:18]  * szal knows where to go
[00:19] <szal> back to openSUSE ^^
[00:19] <szal> I keep going back there because other distros just don't convince me over longer periods of time
[00:20] <szal> best KDE implementation ever
[00:20] <szal> and stability-wise it never gave me causes for headaches
[00:20] <jmichaelx> i have never really used opensuse, but should maybe give it a try some time... the nice thing about the ubuntu world, has been that with the large number of users, it is often easier to figure out how to do certain things/install certain software than in some other distros
[00:21] <szal> jmichaelx: indeed, that and the sheer number of available software packages is a great plus
[00:21] <jmichaelx> yea
[00:22] <jmichaelx> what version of kde is opensuse stable using?
[00:23] <szal> 12.1 ships w/ 4.7.2
[00:23] <szal> newer versions are available
[00:24] <jmichaelx> does it not have the task manager ghost issue?
[00:24] <szal> (currently 4.7.3, that is)
[00:24] <szal> what's that?
[00:24] <jmichaelx> ugh.... icons remaining in the taskmanager after windows are closed
[00:25] <szal> haven't seen that yet on Kubuntu
[00:25] <Daskreech> szal: Total failure is pretty harsh considering
[00:25] <szal> and I haven't installed oS 12.1 yet, so I wouldn't know what's the issue there
[00:25] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: couldn't you jsut log off and log back on?
[00:25] <jmichaelx> szal: i have four machines between home and work running 11.10, and they all have that problem. my main PC has it the worst, with a ghost remain in the taskmanager for almost every window i close
[00:26] <szal> Daskreech: it's a similar not-ready-for-prime-time state as KDE 4.0 was
[00:26] <szal> jmichaelx: just closed VLC, icon immediately disappeared
[00:26] <jmichaelx> i agree with szal... not as bad as 4.0, but bad enough that the whole KDE project is looking negligent and incapable
[00:27] <jmichaelx> the whole mothly SC release idea is not working out for KDE
[00:28] <szal> the monthly release schedule isn't a problem imho
[00:28] <jmichaelx> and in this case, i think the problem is more KDE than kubuntu
[00:28] <Daskreech> guess I've been lucky with it so far. Migrating my stuff was a nightmare in 4.3 but I've been ok since
[00:29] <jmichaelx> i think it is a big problem... some major bugs just live on and on... bugs that should be fixed before another SC version is released, regardless what the calendar says
[00:29] <szal> Daskreech: I switched over w/ 4.2.0..  migrating KMail was painless back then
[00:29] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: i wish i were not plagued with the various taskmanager bugs
[00:30] <jmichaelx> Daskreech & szal: are both of you using ATI graphics, by any chance?
[00:30] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: yeah tha's really annoying but pretty much gone for me with the latest update
[00:30] <Daskreech> szal: what are the issues you are having
[00:30] <Daskreech>  Yes I am
[00:30] <szal> jmichaelx: I suppose you know that systray pop-ups aren't exactly pretty; openSUSE has that too, at least 11.4 w/ KDE 4.7, so I reckon that's a KDE problem
[00:30] <szal> jmichaelx: I have Nvidia
[00:31] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: 4.7.3 made that problem MUCH worse on this machine, and caused the problem to appear on another that until 4.7.3 had been immune
[00:31] <jmichaelx> i pretty much hate all popup notifications
[00:32] <Daskreech> *coughs* Kill systray
[00:32] <jmichaelx> that bug is now the 4th most hated KDE bug
[00:32] <jmichaelx> i want the systray.... i just do not want the popups
[00:32] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: 4.8 is out in 4 days
[00:32] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: this problem is still very much alive in 4.7.8
[00:33] <jmichaelx> oops
[00:33] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: this problem is still very much alive in 4.8
[00:34] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: for a while KDE devs were claiming this was a problem with X, but that is seeming less likely as time goes on
[00:34] <jmichaelx> it seems somewhere communication between KDE and Qt is breaking down
[00:35] <jmichaelx> (not that there are not inummerable issues with X)
[00:35] <jmichaelx> this is what i mean, a bug like this should prevent the release of 4.8
[00:36] <jmichaelx> but they will release it anyways
[00:53] <BarkingFish> guys, does anyone else have problems with items open on your panel not responding to mouse clicks?
[00:54] <jmichaelx> BarkingFish: MANY people
[00:55] <BarkingFish> right.  Is there a bug or bugs filed on it?
[00:55] <jmichaelx> yes, there are bug reports
[00:56] <jmichaelx> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=275469
[00:56] <BarkingFish> where would they be likely to be? on launchpad or kde's bug tracker?
[00:56] <BarkingFish> ah, nvm
[00:56] <BarkingFish> thanks
[00:57] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: it's a kde 4.7.1 regression should be sorted for most people in 4.7.3 and hopefully osrted out fully in 4.7.4
[00:57] <jmichaelx> BarkingFish: if you had  been here just a few minutes ago, i had been carrying on about this and related bugs
[00:57]  * jmichaelx is not sure about the sorted out for most people in 4.7.3 part
[00:58] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: i have that issues on 4 different machines in 4.7.3.... and 4.7.3 made the problem worse
[00:58] <jmichaelx> and there are reports of the problem not being much milder in 4.8
[00:59] <Daskreech> who is running 4.8 ?
[00:59] <BarkingFish> Daskreech: yeah, they fixed it in 4.7.3, unfortunately breaking plasma-desktop in the process
[00:59] <BarkingFish> in 4.7.3, plasma-desktop crashes more times than a blind cyclist
[01:00] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: not me, but this is what i have read
[01:00] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: where ?
[01:01] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: 4.7.2 was quite a bit worse for me
[01:01] <szal> plasma-desktop crashes are annoying, but so far didn't harm anything for me
[01:01] <BarkingFish> 4.7.2 is good here, only the mouse not working in taskbar occasionally
[01:02] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: i would have to look again for where i read that, but if/when i do, i will give you a link... until then you are welcome to regard what i said as hearsay
[01:06] <Daskreech> Just that at this point I think almost all the people who would be running 4.8 would also be in a position to sort it out before 4.8 hits either next week or next year
[01:07] <jmichaelx> were not many of the same people in the position to sort this out in 4.7?
[01:10] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: i think i may have confused kde 4.8 and Qt 4.8 in what i was reading
[01:11] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: ah reasonable
[01:12] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: To be honest I hardly ever use the mouse so I don't know. ^F9 is so much more useful
[01:12] <jmichaelx> so maybe there is hope that the taskmanager will be inbetter shape in kde 4.8 :)
[01:13] <BarkingFish> jmichaelx: As long as the make sure it works fully before they send it out, i don't care
[01:20] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: :-) partially depends upon you
[01:24] <BarkingFish> Daskreech: well I'll make sure I'm live during the next packaging cycle, and i'll test everything that comes through :)
[01:24] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: ^F10 works nicely as well :)
[01:24] <BarkingFish> I hate upgrades because you never know quite how they'll work until people are using them.
[01:25] <BarkingFish> We should really have a beta channel, as well as this one, specifically limited to people beta testing upcoming releases
[01:25] <BarkingFish> that way we can fix the bugs before the whole thing goes live to the world
[01:32] <Num83rGuy_> A week or two back I tried to get help here for my Audigy2 soundcard. Pulse was not wanting to use it. I have found a work around. Where is the best place to post this workaround so others with this problem cand find it?
[01:34] <Num83rGuy_> The worst part is that I and two helpers here worked for many hours with no solution. Yet the solution I found involves uncommenting two lines in a config file. 30 seconds of work.
[01:37] <Num83rGuy_> I left a comment outlining my fix at my bug report for this issue.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/886448  Is that the best place for it?
[01:38] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: you mean the +1 channel ?
[01:38] <Daskreech> Num83rGuy_: That might work. You can also edit the wiki
[01:38] <Daskreech> !audigy
[01:39] <Daskreech> Hmm there should be an audigy page on the wiki as I recall
[01:39] <Num83rGuy_> Wiki? you have a link?
[01:39] <BarkingFish> Daskreech: i didn't even know we had a +1 channel
[01:41] <Daskreech> Num83rGuy_: wiki.ubuntu.com or help.ubuntu.com
[01:41] <Daskreech> !+1
[01:41] <Daskreech> Hmm
[01:41] <Daskreech> !precise
[01:41] <Daskreech> >_>
[01:42] <Daskreech> It's #ubuntu+1
[01:42] <Num83rGuy_> OK I will see if i can find the appropriate place to insert this knowledge.
[01:43] <pangolin> !no precise is <reply> Ubuntu 12.04 LTS (Precise Pangolin) will be the sixteenth release of Ubuntu. Codename announcement here: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/784 | Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1
[01:43] <Daskreech> thanks  endangered upcoming animal :)
[01:46] <szal> lol
[01:54] <Daskreech> Num83rGuy_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound seems like a good place
[01:55] <Daskreech> Don't forget to put in version numbers and release information so that it will be easy to date the information
[01:55] <Num83rGuy_> Yes sir. Thank you.
[02:16] <juan_> aptitude shows all entries twice once installed and once uninstalled I think it's because I had a duplicated entry in /etc/apt/sources.lst when I first installed but I've fixed that and run aptitude clean and apt-cache clean
[02:22] <Daskreech> juan_: Sounds more like a log error you ran aptitude update of course?
[02:25] <juan_> Daskreech: yeah, aptitutde update, aptitude clean and the clean obsolete option from the menu
[02:27] <juan_> Think I just realied what i need (remove the remaining entry then clean) to do but need to finish the current install batch first.
[02:39] <kierkkadon> Hi, I have an issue installing Kubuntu
[02:39] <kierkkadon> I used a universal usb installer to download the iso for kubuntu and install it to a USB
[02:39] <kierkkadon> I set my bios to boot from the usb
[02:39] <kierkkadon> and I have it plugged in and everything
[02:40] <kierkkadon> But when I boot, it just skips over it to windows.
[02:59] <kierkkadon> I'm trying to install kubuntu from a thumb drive
[02:59] <kierkkadon> I used a utility to put the iso on the drive, and I have my bios set to boot from the drive
[02:59] <kierkkadon> but it just skips over the drive and boots windows
[03:01] <Daskreech> kierkkadon: does your bios have a quick boot option?
[03:02] <kierkkadon> No
[03:02] <kierkkadon> Although, in addition to giving the usb highest priority, I have forced it to choose the usb
[05:53] <trions> I upgraded from 11.04 to 11.10. In top right on desktop, I still see the quarter of a circle activities button, wherease in videos I have seen a rectangle activites button.
[05:54] <darthanubis> ??
[05:55] <trions> So,  does that mean I am not running 11.10 fully yet?
[05:59] <HulkHogan> trions: u can pull it and move it
[05:59] <trions> Oh yes I got it.
[07:20] <ryrych> hi
[07:21] <ryrych> is there a patch for Firefox global menu? The one I have I broken – it’s slow, and isn't working as it should
[07:43] <renano> ciao
[07:55] <Hernan_1980> hi
[07:56] <benonsoftware> Hernan_1980: Hello
[07:56] <Hernan_1980> hello benonsoftware
[07:56] <Hernan_1980> Do you know use IRC
[07:56] <benonsoftware> Always :)
[07:57] <Hernan_1980> I'm learning to use IRC
[07:57] <benonsoftware> Cool
[07:58] <Hernan_1980> What topics could find in IRC
[07:58] <benonsoftware> Anything!
[07:58] <benonsoftware> :)
[07:59] <Hernan_1980> How I can find other chanels?
[08:00] <benonsoftware> Hernan_1980: Run /list
[08:02] <Hernan_1980> run /list
[08:02] <benonsoftware> Try this:
[08:02] <Hernan_1980> Thank you
[08:02] <benonsoftware>  /list
[08:03] <benonsoftware> No problem
[08:03] <Hernan_1980> where?
[08:03] <benonsoftware> In your client
[08:07] <Hernan_1980> I use Quassel IRC. Wich mean client?
[08:07] <Hernan_1980> Thank you for help me
[08:08] <benonsoftware> Yes
[08:12] <ryrych> anyone knows?
[08:23] <Hernan_1980> hi.....
[08:24] <Peace-> Hernan_1980: hi
[08:24] <Hernan_1980> hi benon
[08:25] <Hernan_1980> Do you Know to use IRC?
[08:25] <Hernan_1980> I don't know
[08:25] <Peace-> lol
[08:25] <Peace-> you are using  irc right now Hernan_1980
[08:25]  * Peace- mm he is trolling?
[08:25] <Hernan_1980> but I want use other chanells
[08:26] <noaXess_kubuntu> morning
[08:26] <Peace-> Hernan_1980: so type this /join #namefochannel
[08:26] <noaXess_kubuntu> i installed google earth.. and all the menu's and texts are in a very, very small font size, any idea why?
[08:26] <Hernan_1980> Good morning noaX
[08:27] <Peace-> noaXess_kubuntu:  mm try to change the fonts on systemsegtting ?
[08:28] <noaXess_kubuntu> Peace-: no chance.. tried taht.. i set all the font, but nothing changes..
[08:28] <Peace-> noaXess_kubuntu: even chaing the font size?
[08:30] <noaXess_kubuntu> it's only oin google earth.. and... wait.. yes and the login screen.. yes... i have autologin, but sometimes i need to manually login, then the login screen text fonts are as small as those in google earth
[08:30] <Peace-> noaXess_kubuntu: sudo apt-get install qt4-qtconfig
[08:30] <Peace-> noaXess_kubuntu: try to set from that
[08:31] <noaXess_kubuntu> Peace-: ok
[08:31] <noaXess_kubuntu> already installed... how to start it?
[08:31] <Peace-> qtconfig
[08:32] <Peace-> noaXess_kubuntu: make sure to  do == change ==> file ==>save
[08:33] <noaXess_kubuntu> Peace-: same as before.. :(
[08:34] <noaXess_kubuntu> Peace-: point size is set to 9.. changed it to 10, saved.. and started google earth.. same small font size then before
[08:34] <Peace-> noaXess_kubuntu:  ok
[08:34] <Peace-> noaXess_kubuntu: i have found some stuff
[08:35] <noaXess_kubuntu> what is font substituation?
[08:35] <Peace-> noaXess_kubuntu: read this http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/earth/thread?tid=656ef9a98bc427dd&hl=en
[08:36] <Peace-> noaXess_kubuntu: when you have not a font style
[08:36] <Peace-> the system replace what it should use with what you have selected
[08:37] <noaXess_kubuntu> Peace-: i try your hint from the link..
[08:38] <Peace-> noaXess_kubuntu: ok let me check this
[08:38] <Peace-> noaXess_kubuntu: try to execute  qtconfig-qt4   instead of qtconfig
[08:39] <noaXess_kubuntu> Peace-: and then? think same app will be opened
[08:39] <Peace-> try to change again
[08:39] <Peace-> make 12 like font size
[08:40] <noaXess_kubuntu> Peace-: no change.. same small font
[08:40] <Peace-> sorry i dunno i guess is a bug of google earth
[08:40] <Peace-> noaXess_kubuntu: i ahve seen this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1435424
[08:41] <Peace-> but after that ... i really dunno
[08:48] <noaXess_kubuntu> Peace-: aha... i think i have another problem.. if i change the font in qtconfig or qtconfig-qt4... save and exit and restart qtconfig again... the font is set back to 9 instead of my change i made before
[08:49] <Peace-> mm
[08:49] <Peace-> noaXess_kubuntu: i guess that is the problem
[08:49] <noaXess_kubuntu> jep.. and maybe thats also why login screen font size is as small then in google earth
[08:51] <Peace-> mmm
[08:51] <Peace-> noaXess_kubuntu: for sure you have a problem
[08:51] <Peace-> what did you do to the system ?
[08:51] <Peace-> xD
[08:51] <noaXess_kubuntu> hope not me.. hope only my systm :)
[08:51] <Peace-> noaXess_kubuntu: http://wstaw.org/m/2011/11/20/plasma-desktopPS1413.jpg
[08:51] <noaXess_kubuntu> nthing.. instaleld it, upgraded as normal..
[08:52] <Peace-> noaXess_kubuntu: try to create anew user
[08:52] <Peace-> sudo adduser name
[08:52] <Peace-> sudo adduser name admin
[08:52] <Peace-> sudo adduser name audio
[08:52] <noaXess_kubuntu> Peace-: why that screenshot?
[08:52] <Peace-> noaXess_kubuntu: i mean this is my system right now on kubuntu 11.10
[08:52] <Peace-> for my fonts :)
[08:52] <noaXess_kubuntu> me too..
[08:53] <noaXess_kubuntu> and don't have any problem.. only this i saw it cause tried out google.earth.. all other appps are ok..
[08:53] <SkyhawkVince> hi everyone
[08:53] <Peace-> SkyhawkVince: hi
[08:53] <SkyhawkVince> i'd like to ask if there is a way to lock plasmoids from a single panel
[08:58] <noaXess_kubuntu> Peace-: checking something.. be back soon
[09:26] <noaXess_kubuntu> Peace-: .. nothing changed.. my test was not the solutino.. i don't know, why i can't save qtconfig settings..
[09:27] <Peace-> noaXess_kubuntu: try with kdesudo before
[09:27] <Peace-> noaXess_kubuntu: and launch google earth like root
[09:27] <Peace-> it's not a good thing but...
[09:27] <Peace-> maybe you can figure out what is happening
[09:28] <noaXess_kubuntu> Peace-: srange.. if i do change font size with sudo qtconfig.. and save it, the font size is changed after save.. in the qtconfig gui.. if i run qtconfig as normal user.. i can change font size, save.. but nothing happens..
[09:29] <noaXess_kubuntu> hm.. is it correct, that i open different configs if i run qtconfig with sudo or as normal user?
[09:29] <noaXess_kubuntu> where are the user qtconfig files?
[09:29] <Peace-> noaXess_kubuntu: i guess in your home
[09:30] <Peace-> in some hidden files
[09:31] <Peace-> noaXess_kubuntu: ~/.config/Trolltech.conf
[09:33] <Peace-> noaXess_kubuntu: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=56296
[09:33] <Peace-> noaXess_kubuntu: i have to go bye, have luck
[09:34] <noaXess_kubuntu> Peace-: that could be the solution.. was also my idea.. to mv Trolltech.conf and do it like above link explained.. testing it now..
[09:37] <noaXess_kubuntu> aaaaaaaaaaa.. nothing.. grrrr
[10:11] <trions> Hi, I am trying to setup multitouch on kubuntu 11.10. I want to know where does one specify which multitouch driver to use during startup? Because I have couple of them and want to test them one by one.
[10:13] <trions> I see a couple of config files in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/.  They are prefixed with numbers. Does this mean they are supposed to load in the order?
[10:44] <alban42> Morning Everyone Pleeasew can anybody tell ne how to disable Nepomuk & It's email feeder (Its taking 2Gb Ram on a 8Gb System  & slowing kmail to a crawl  I cannot Remove it from the Akonadii Controle Panel
[10:48] <tsousa> is kubuntu using kernel 3.0.x series?
[10:48] <tsousa> because it has a bug and dont work for me
[10:51] <trions> tsousa: yes 11.10 is using 3.0.x kernel
[10:54] <tdn_> Yesterday I changed some Plasma settings: I moved the panel to another screen edge.  Today, when I log in, I cannot see any windows when I open them. They are opened, but not visible. It seems that Plasma is some how on top of it all. So I can only see the desktop background. WTF happened? How do I correct this?
[10:54] <tdn_> I cannot even get it online, because I cannot see the network manager and thus cannot connect to the network.
[10:56] <tsousa> trions, that sucks that series. it gives me a kernel panic with wpa_supplicant
[11:07] <alban42> Tdn have you tried moving the mouse to the top left hand corner On My setup this unzooms all windows so you can see them
[11:09] <tdn_> alban42, alban42 when I do that, it zooms out and I can see all windows (the apps I have started), however, if I click one of them, I am back to same state as before: I cannot see any windows. Just the background.
[11:10] <tdn_> I have yakuake. This window I can open.
[11:11] <tdn_> I guess this is somehow on top of Plasma.
[11:11] <tdn_> But everything else is below.
[11:19] <alban42> Tdn have you tried the activity tab on the right hand side I Tried Activitys & It gives 4 differant settings which change all the window panes  (Sorry I am Running out of Ideas)
[11:20] <tdn_> There is no activity tab here. I can only see the desktop.
[11:21] <tdn_> Great, now Plasma crashed.
[11:21] <tdn_> It then restared. Now I can see the bottom panel with task bar and such.
[11:21] <tdn_> However, I cannot see windows.
[11:21] <tdn_> The windows appear in the task bar though.
[11:26] <tdn_> alban42, I somehow got the Activities bar visible.
[11:26] <tdn_> Then there were different activities.
[11:26] <tdn_> ow it seems I have my windows back.
[11:26] <tdn_> I clicked stop on one of them, and now it seems I have my windows back.
[11:27] <tdn_> This really really sucks.
[11:27] <tdn_> This must never happen. Serious usability bug.
[11:27] <tdn_> I dont even know how to report this.
[11:34] <alban42> my desktop is fairly stable GRIN But The combination of Kmail & Nepomuk kills my system
[11:59] <kakoytou> hello
[11:59] <kakoytou> i install virtualbox to run windows 7 on it
[11:59] <kakoytou> but i can't boot from usb drive
[11:59] <kakoytou> could someone help me
[12:04] <kakoytou> please
[12:41] <MrBaus> i just installed a kubuntu 10.10 dvd. What is the command to run in terminal to upgrade everything to the latest ubuntu?
[12:42] <MrBaus> HELLO
[12:42] <rork> MrBaus: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[12:42] <MrBaus> dist upgrade?
[12:43] <MrBaus> rork:
[12:43] <rork> I tend to go for save and not dist-upgrade
[12:43] <MrBaus> rork: whats the difference of dist upgrade
[12:43] <MrBaus> and upgrade
[12:43] <rork> oh wait, you want to go to 11.10 right?
[12:43] <MrBaus> yes
[12:45] <MrBaus> rork: so i run first upgrade
[12:45] <MrBaus> then dist upgrade
[12:45] <MrBaus> or first dist upgrade
[12:45] <MrBaus> ??
[12:46] <rork> MrBaus: wait a second, the command I gave you was to update the system to the latest packages, upgrading distro uses a different set of commands
[12:46] <rork> I have to look those up
[12:46] <szal> !upgrade | MrBaus
[12:57] <ragnarok> I am doing a apt-get upgrade. If i want to stop the upgrade/shudown my pc will the progress done in downloading the updates be saved?
[12:57] <FOCUS-HERE> I am doing a apt-get upgrade. If i want to stop the upgrade/shudown my pc will the progress done in downloading the updates be saved?
[12:58] <TheLastProject> Really KDE?
[12:58] <TheLastProject> Really?
[12:58] <TheLastProject> Six crashes in under 2 minutes?
[12:58] <TheLastProject> REALLY NOW?
[13:14] <kels> in kubuntu 11.10 to broken the pulse. but in 11.04 all good
[13:15] <kels> some application not see the pulse, and block audiosystem
[13:27] <kakoytou> could someone tell me how to make windows 7 in virtualbox on fullscreen
[13:27] <kakoytou> please
[13:34] <MMlosh> Hi!  Is it still possible to get gnome-keyring unlocked on login in kubuntu 11.10?  I have always failed so far (for this release, older releases are fine)
[13:40] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[13:50] <JustinBieba> what is the command to install firefox?
[13:51] <Peace-> JustinBieba: firefox-bin i guess
[13:53] <zeraw> hi, do you know how to disable desktop sharing? There is no disable option in Krfb menu
[13:53] <JustinBieba> ikonia: u mad bro?
[13:53] <ikonia> JustinBieba: stop trying to cause a problem and use the channel for ubuntu technical support
[13:54] <JustinBieba> ikonia: rage moar
[13:54] <zeraw> I must use killall krfb
[13:54] <zeraw> I cant disable it from autostart
[13:56] <zeraw> anyone? :)
[13:56] <HulkHogan> wat
[13:57] <Lynoure> hmm.
[14:00] <Peace-> zeraw: maybe in settings
[14:01] <zeraw> Peace-: I'm searching for the setting with no luck 2 days now
[14:01] <zeraw> i found that some ppl  (google) used the kill command
[14:01] <Peace-> ok i am gonna to install this software
[14:01] <zeraw> It's installed by default
[14:01] <zeraw> Internet > Desktop Sharing
[14:01] <zeraw> (Krfb)
[14:05] <Peace-> zeraw: well but you have like settings :: reopen the last session ?
[14:05] <zeraw> yeah
[14:05] <Peace-> wtf
[14:05] <zeraw> but I kill it
[14:05] <Peace-> so it's normal it will run again
[14:05] <zeraw> :S
[14:06] <zeraw> hmmm
[14:06] <zeraw> I'll stop the service too and I'll test
[14:06] <zeraw> brb
[14:09] <u19809> anybody around ? Kontact seems to have lost all my mails ... and it crashes every time I close it
[14:14] <Peace-> u19809: :)
[14:14] <Peace-> u19809: nice
[14:14] <u19809> honestly since 11.xx kubuntu is REALLY sucking ... cannot start to describe all the shit I have with
[14:15] <u19809> but losing my mail is really bad !
[14:15] <Peace-> u19809: $HOME/.kde/share/apps/
[14:15] <Peace-> look for kmail or kontact
[14:15] <u19809> 3 entries : kmail kmail2 kmail-migrator
[14:15] <u19809> and one kontact
[14:17] <Peace-> u19809: i guess you have to look on those folders
[14:17] <Peace-> maybe your mail are there...
[14:18] <Peace-> u19809: remember when some application is upgraded it's a good thing remove old configuration files...
[14:18] <u19809> my mail is stored in a separate folder but there is NO content in kmail ... no inbox outbox nothing the tree is empty !
[14:19] <Peace-> wait
[14:20] <Peace-> u19809: i really dunno for me even with crash you should not loose your data
[14:21] <u19809> I the crash did not cause the data to disappear ... I had crashes all the time but for some reason all is gon
[14:22] <Peace-> have you upgraded the softwware?
[14:23] <u19809> I do a regular apt-get upgrade but major upgrade i did not do recently
[14:23] <Peace-> u19809: you have upgrade your distro from 11**> to 11.10 ?
[14:24] <u19809> The upgrade I did weeks before the problem started.
[14:24] <u19809> I had access to kmail from a remote ssh -X session and after that it failed.
[14:24] <Peace-> u19809: you should remove all the config files...
[14:24] <Peace-> and try to restart it
[14:25] <u19809> which config files ? wherea re they ?
[14:25] <Peace-> as for each programs they are :: $HOME/.kde/share/config
[14:25] <Peace-> and
[14:25] <Peace-> $HOME/.kde/share/apps
[14:27] <u19809> ok moved kmail* and kontac* to backup folder
[14:27] <u19809> apps data too ?
[14:27] <Peace-> u19809: i will start with  $HOME/.kde/share/config/kmailrc
[14:28] <Peace-> maybe renaming it
[14:28] <u19809> ok moved all to backup and started it ... sorry
[14:28] <u19809> what I see now is empty contact but no 'inbox' in mail etc
[14:28] <u19809> contacts empty too
[14:28] <Peace-> of course you have resetted your application
[14:28] <u19809> how can I now recover the content ?
[14:29] <u19809> addressbooks. emails, calendar settings
[14:29] <Peace-> your datas are stored on some folder...
[14:29] <Peace-> i dunno where is youknow
[14:29] <u19809> ok
[14:29] <Peace-> if not the standard one .... that should be
[14:29] <Peace-> on $HOME/.kde/share/apps
[14:29] <Peace-> i really dunno
[15:07] <ashfaq> Hi all evening!
[15:08] <ashfaq> Looking forward for help to connect to Internet via usb modem huwavi 173
[15:08] <ashfaq> any one who had comwe over this problem?
[15:11] <ashfaq> Am I in the wrong forum, all looks quit here!
[15:14] <CaptainKnots> hello all
[15:16] <MMlosh> hi CaptainKnots
[15:16] <MMlosh> ashfaq,  I quess what you wanted to say..  But you offered help with connecting the modem instead :D
[15:28] <stevendepp> Hi everyone, I come with no questions, just to hang out
[15:34] <rork> stevendepp: then you might try to start some conversation in #kubuntu-offtopic or just wait here until someone posts a question
[16:02] <kamilnadeem> Hi
[16:03] <kamilnadeem> I removed the printer applet from the sys tray , how to get it back?
[16:10] <BluesKaj> kamilnadeem, in the panel toolbar , move the cursor 'til the hidden icons appears, then choose the printer , if it's listed
[16:12] <JontheEchidna> kamilnadeem: Press alt + f2, type in "printer-applet" without the quotes, and press enter
[16:14] <kamilnadeem> BluesKaj: the printer apllet was their but I removed it
[16:14] <kamilnadeem> now I am not able to get it back
[16:14] <kamilnadeem> note that I don't have a printer
[16:14] <BluesKaj> uhm...no printer = no applet
[16:14] <kamilnadeem> yeah
[16:14] <kamilnadeem> but it was thier earlier
[16:15] <kamilnadeem> so was this some system mistake?
[16:15] <kamilnadeem> JontheEchidna: thank you , I already tried that but the applet is not coming back
[16:16] <kamilnadeem> also system tray settings has no printer option now
[16:17] <BluesKaj> no kamilnadeem it will remain hidden even if you do have a connected printer , unless you choose to restore by right clicking on the applet inthe hidden applet dialog
[16:18] <kamilnadeem> BluesKaj: it used to remain hidden an then show itseld when I used to click on the up arrow left to clock , in the bottom pannel
[16:19] <kamilnadeem> but I removed it
[16:19] <BluesKaj> yeah, but now you have to choose "restore" by right click in the" hidden menu "
[16:20] <BluesKaj> so if there's no printer enabled in system settings . you won't see a printer icon anyway
[16:20] <kamilnadeem> BluesKaj: but why was It there till I removed it
[16:22] <BluesKaj> kamilnadeem, dunno , let's not get hung up on trivial bugs ...perhaps it was there by default in anticipation of a printer being hooked up.
[16:22] <kamilnadeem> BluesKaj: yeah
[16:22] <kamilnadeem> :)
[16:22] <kamilnadeem> thank you BluesKaj
[16:23] <kamilnadeem> thank you everyone who help people out
[16:28] <martinII> Hey everyone. I just upgraded to oneiric and now whenever I run an update, my Verizon router goes offline... Does anyone have any idea what's happening here??
[16:29] <martinII> (it's wifi)
[16:33] <mrJawa> hi
[16:34] <neil_> hi
[16:34] <mrJawa> 1st time using kubuntu. (^_^). real fun actlly
[16:35] <mrJawa> any1 use deluge here?
[16:36] <neil_> So you didn't gonna bed for this??
[16:36] <mrJawa> ?
[16:40] <dbs> hello
[16:41] <kamilnadeem> hi
[16:41] <dbs> so u cant help me
[16:41] <kamilnadeem> adding the system tray widget to the desktop is crashing the kde?
[16:42] <dbs> yes
[16:42] <BluesKaj> dbs, just ask your question
[16:43] <dbs> so  iwant my backtrack 5 cannot run sound
[16:44] <kamilnadeem> BluesKaj: How to remove the widget that one addds to a activity?
[16:44] <dbs> so  iwant my backtrack 5 cannot run sound
[16:45] <BluesKaj> !backtrack | dbs
[16:45] <kamilnadeem> like I deleted the default activity a created a new one but the system tray widget is still there?
[16:47] <kamilnadeem> BluesKaj: My mistake
[16:47] <kamilnadeem> sorry
[16:48] <kamilnadeem> I figured it
[16:48] <kamilnadeem> BluesKaj: take care man , some day I act like an oaf :)
[16:48] <kamilnadeem> bye
[16:54] <kaddi> hi, i just upgraded to oneiric and now textfiles opened from the firefox-downloads window are being opened by notepad in Wine again. How can I fix that?
[16:54] <kaddi> I already checked and firefox-kde-support is installed
[16:54] <kaddi> it was working fine before the upgrade
[16:57] <BluesKaj> kaddi, right click on the text file you DL'd then choose open with , choose other then in the list find kate , and choose it , check the 'rememeber application'
[16:58] <esperegu> I read somewhere there is a package you can install to get better performance on older hardware. anyone knows where I can find more info on that?
[16:58] <kaddi> BluesKaj: the files are being downloaded (that's forced from the server, ti doesn't open text files directly) and saved in a folder. I'm trying to change the behaviour within the download-list of FF
[16:59] <BluesKaj> kaddi, I'm not sure I understand
[17:00] <esperegu> hmm. called low fat settings I gues
[17:00] <kaddi> BluesKaj: the file is downloaded and saved onto the machine. This is the behaviour as I want it. Once this download starts the "Downloads"-window opens showing the progress of the download and the finished downloads.
[17:00] <kaddi> in that window, when i double-click the finished download, it will open the file in notepad, not kate even though I have set kate as default text editor
[17:01] <dbs> i need help on my backtrack 5 no sound
[17:01] <BluesKaj> FF defaults to ~/Downloads , but you can change the path if you wan
[17:01] <BluesKaj> want
[17:02] <BluesKaj> kaddi, is that a url of the download site maybe ?
[17:02] <kaddi> if you press ctrl+shift+Y in FF that'll open your Downloads-page
[17:03] <kaddi> and when you click on one of the files that are listed there, they'll get launched.
[17:03] <kaddi> provided they're still in the location where you downloaded it to
[17:03] <kaddi> now, before upgrading to oneiric, when i doubleclicked the text file it would get launched in kate
[17:03] <kaddi> now, when I double click the text file it gets launched in notepad (through wine)
[17:04] <kaddi> which takes longer to load, is badly rendered and all in all just annoying :p
[17:05] <BluesKaj> kaddi, what if yo just open ~/Downloads and choose the file there ?
[17:05] <kaddi> that's not really a fix, is it
[17:05] <kaddi> yes, i could go to Downloads, wade through the files there until i find it and then launch it with kate from there. However just double-clicking the latest file in the Downloads page is that much quicker and i know it used to work
[17:06] <phiscribe> why is it dolphin and browse my a windows share with the machines name, //machine but ping machine  gives unknown host?
[17:06] <phiscribe> dolphin can browse that is
[17:06] <BluesKaj> no  kaddi but as long as that works properly , that'swhat concerned me
[17:06] <phiscribe> what is dolphin doing to resolve the host name that ping isnt doing
[17:07] <kaddi> BluesKaj: Not sure I understand your last sentence?
[17:08] <BluesKaj> phiscribe, is samba installed
[17:08] <BluesKaj> ?
[17:08] <phiscribe> not sure, ill check smbfs is installed
[17:08] <BluesKaj>  kaddi , I meant that opening the files in ~/Downloads isn't affected by the bug in FF
[17:08] <kaddi> ah, yes
[17:09] <BluesKaj> kaddi, habg on let me try that
[17:09] <phiscribe> bah ill just use the ip adress, kips
[17:10] <kaddi> BluesKaj: i don't know if you remember but FF used to opnen the "open in containing folder" with nautilus instead of dolphin as well before the kde-ff-support package came around.. I suspect that this is a similar issue with FF not reading the kde settings where it should be reading them. But I don't remember how the fix works
[17:13] <kaddi> on a different note: I noticed thunderbird is now integrated in the notifier :) \o/
[17:14] <BluesKaj> kaddi , I don't have any text files in my downloads list , but open location worked fine
[17:15] <kaddi> yes, open location works for me too. It was used as an example, because I know that that problem was common in the past.. eg 3-4 years back before the kde-firefox-support package was introduced
[17:15] <BluesKaj> kaddi, but I'm running 12.04 and already it's more stable tha 11.10 was , so far :)
[17:15] <kaddi> lol
[17:16] <kaddi> you saying i shouldn't have upgraded? :p
[17:16] <kaddi> do you happen to know the command to change default programs in the command line? I think the command started with x, but i can't remember for the life of me
[17:17] <BluesKaj> no I'm not ..think your prob is solvable , no point in greater risks
[17:17] <phiscribe> 12.04 already ugg ive not even got skid marks on my 11.10 yet
[17:17] <kaddi> yeh, i'm not upgrading.. i ran pre-beta karmic for a while.. i've done enough tinkering for now :p
[17:18] <BluesKaj> lemme look in my cli commands textfile
[17:19] <kaddi> i wrote a loverly blog-entry about the issue two years back, because I knew I'd need that info again... Then they took the blog offline and i had no backup >.
[17:19] <kaddi> >.<
[17:21] <phiscribe> upgrade, a nice idea, that usualy results in a clean install
[17:21] <phiscribe> can graph a chart of the number of times i edit xorg.conf verses my happiness with life
[17:28] <kierkkadon> How do I get the 'System Information' thing back on my panel if I accidentally removed it?
[17:31] <kierkkadon> nvm, just re-added default panel
[17:31] <kierkkadon> Still, it would be nice to know how to add things like 'System Tray'
[17:32] <BluesKaj> kierkkadon, open the cashew or right click on the desktop , add widgets
[17:33] <kierkkadon> Damn, there sure is a 'System Tray' widget. >_<
[17:34] <kierkkadon> Thanks for the help. I feel like a bit of a goof now.
[17:34] <BluesKaj> kaddi , are you talking about chmod +x ?
[17:35] <BluesKaj> kierkkadon, don't , it's all part of the learning curve :)
[17:36] <kierkkadon> What's the filepath in kubuntu for placing fonts?
[17:36] <kierkkadon> I mean, where can I find my font files?
[17:38] <BluesKaj> font settings are in kmenu>computer>system settings>application appearance, kierkkadon
[17:38] <kierkkadon> BluesKaj: but if I download a new font file, where do I need to put it?
[17:44] <BluesKaj> kierkkadon, it will download by default your /home/username/Downloads then trqnsfer them to /home/username/Documents , because thats the path "system settings>font installer"uses for local font files ,
[17:45] <BluesKaj> I meant to say, to your /home/username/Downloads
[17:47] <kierkkadon> Alright, thank you.
[17:49] <kaddi> BluesKaj: i think i was talking about update-alternatives --configure.. but it's only useful for the browser, as far as I can tell
[17:50] <kaddi> there's no x-texteditor
[17:53] <BluesKaj> kaddi, yeah the command seems so general in nature , but it's really quite specific to browsers ...weird :)
[18:01] <BluesKaj> !info kalternatives
[18:02] <BluesKaj> kaddi check that post above
[19:13] <BluesKaj> BBL, stuff to do
[19:46] <Daskreech> kierkkadon: You can just copy it to font:/
[19:48] <Daskreech> kaddi: I think you may be looking for xdg-mime
[19:52] <CaptainKnots> does anyone know how I can have a kubuntu system never ask for the password when updating, etc?
[19:52] <CaptainKnots> it's for my aunt and she's linux dumb
[20:00] <Snowhog> CaptainKnots: Only way I know of, is to enable the Root account and have your aunt always run using it - NOT RECOMMENDED. A sticky note on the PC with the password always works! :?
[20:02] <Daskreech> CaptainKnots: give her no password sudo
[20:02] <Hedron> hi, I am having trouble with hdd temperature on dual boot system - windows 7 and kubuntu 11.10
[20:02] <Daskreech> Though I think you can limit that to apt/kpackagekit/muon if you think that's dangerous
[20:03] <Daskreech> Hedron: #hardware
[20:03] <Snowhog> Daskreech: Isn't that nearly as bad as enabling the Root account and running using it??
[20:03] <Hedron> ok, thanks
[20:03] <Daskreech> or ##hardware rather
[20:03] <Daskreech> Snowhog: hence limiting it only to package updates
[20:04] <Daskreech> So installing new programs still needs password but updates don't
[20:04] <Daskreech> I'm going to guess that CaptainKnots' auntie has been graced with auto login though so she may never know what her password is
[20:09] <CaptainKnots_> ughh
[20:09] <CaptainKnots_> anyone know how to apply NOPASSWD to Muon?
[20:10] <Daskreech> CaptainKnots_: works like anyother nopasswd sudo setup. You put the person to nopasswd with the muon-updater binary as a qualifier
[20:10] <Daskreech> !nopasswd
[20:11] <laurence> hello
[20:15] <Daskreech> Nearly hung around for a minute!
[20:17] <CaptainKnots_> Daskreech: so a 'paula ALL = (ALL:ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL' wouldn't cover it?
[20:17] <Daskreech> CaptainKnots_: It would cover it and much more
[20:17] <CaptainKnots_> well that isn't working
[20:17] <CaptainKnots_> Muon still asks for a password
[20:17] <Daskreech> the :ALL after NOPASSWD means she would never need to enter her password for anything
[20:17] <CaptainKnots_> I know
[20:18] <CaptainKnots_> idk why it's still asking for it
[20:18] <Daskreech> I forget. I think you may need to logout and back in to trigger that
[20:19] <CaptainKnots_> ugh quassel keeps disconnecting me
[20:19] <CaptainKnots_> time for Konversation or irssi
[21:12] <soee> is it normal that amarok eats ~ 400 mb memory?
[21:13] <Guest28743> +i
[21:13] <Guest28743> 'lo
[21:18] <panda_boy_ZA> hi
[21:20] <panda_boy_ZA> admins ?
[21:20] <Daskreech> Yes?
[21:21] <panda_boy_ZA> k
[21:21] <Daskreech> Not admins but ...
[21:21] <panda_boy_ZA> just checking...
[21:21] <Daskreech> Alright
[21:21]  * Daskreech waves
[21:21] <panda_boy_ZA> <----  noob from winland
[21:22] <panda_boy_ZA> are there a list of channels to found somwhere ?
[21:22] <Resistance> panda_boy_ZA:  channels for...?
[21:22] <Daskreech> panda_boy_ZA: Ahm. Sort of but freenode is kind of large
[21:23] <panda_boy_ZA> dunno just new to IRC
[21:23] <panda_boy_ZA> the only Channel I got is kubuntu
[21:24] <StepNjump> Hi guys, i would like to change the ownership from root to my_user_id for all the files in my sdb1 drive. / is on sda1. Of course I could chown on all existing files in the partitions but this would be to be redone everytime I add a new file in there. Right now the only way to write to sdb1 is by being root. I know it has to do with fstab but since I'm new, anyone could point me to a tutorial to do this? I googled it and can't find exactly what I am lo
[21:24] <StepNjump> oking for.
[21:24] <panda_boy_ZA> aaah i guess this channel is only for Kubuntu q&A's ?
[21:24] <Snowhog> panda_boy_ZA: Correct.
[21:25] <panda_boy_ZA> noted tx :)
[21:26] <Daskreech> panda_boy_ZA: What are you interested in?
[21:26] <Daskreech> StepNjump: mount it with a umask option of 0022
[21:27] <panda_boy_ZA> learning as much as possible
[21:27] <panda_boy_ZA> I am currently setting up a home media centre, tried Geexbox& Mint& puppy, now trying kubuntu
[21:27] <panda_boy_ZA> :)
[21:28] <Daskreech> panda_boy_ZA: Great :)
[21:28] <Daskreech> Reading through Wikipedia in your spare time?
[21:29] <Daskreech> Might as well absorb all the information in the world :)
[21:29] <panda_boy_ZA> lol
[21:29] <panda_boy_ZA> yip got my special wiki time right there on the calendar ... :)
[21:34] <Daskreech> :-)
[21:34] <Daskreech> Welcome to Kubuntu and KDE :)
[21:34] <panda_boy_ZA> ty
[21:34] <panda_boy_ZA> l8er
[21:35] <Daskreech> later
[21:37] <Resistance> !l8r | For future reference:
[21:37] <Resistance> aw
[21:37] <Resistance> i told them to add that to ubottu!
[21:40] <Daskreech> Resistance: did you follow up?
[21:41] <Resistance> Daskreech:  no, i'm currently searching the factoids to find some type of alias to set
[21:41] <Resistance> they yelled before when i told them to add b4 into the factoids
[21:41] <Daskreech> Ah you were aliasing it to one that exists?
[21:41] <Resistance> yeah, to something like...
[21:41] <Resistance> !u
[21:43]  * Darkwing snickers
[22:29] <factotum> there seems to be something going on with Kubuntu these days. It seems that there is a growing trend of things working the way they should be. Should I be concerned?
[22:37] <Snowhog> factotum: YES! There must be something wrong with your hardware!! Keep reinstalling until it breaks. :)
[22:38] <factotum> lol I always heard about it being some redheaded stepchild half-baked offshoot but i'm genuinely impressed.
[22:39]  * Snowhog at the doctors office: "So, what seems to be the trouble? 'Nothing, that's what's bothering me!'"
[22:39] <factotum> that was me in the slackware days lol
[22:40] <factotum> "everythings up and running, everythings configured how I want it....time to start over I guess."
[22:41] <factotum> had to learn the hard way last night that tasksel not only give you an audio production environment, but xfce as well ala ubu studio. that was strange
[22:42] <factotum> im just glad that moin finaly came around. yast in opensuse was awkward
[22:44] <Daskreech> factotum: blue haired stepchild :)
[22:44] <factotum> im fine with that :)
[22:45] <Daskreech> I agree though. Someone is bound to try and break something soon
[22:46] <Snowhog> Daskreech: "Someone" is usually the operator connected to the keyboard!!
[22:46] <factotum> i just wish i could get synaptiks to behaive it's self. there where patched that opensuse put out that make my touchpad work flawlessly but cant figure out where to get them of if i can somehow bring them to the kubuntu system
[22:47] <___PAGAL___> hello
[22:47] <Daskreech> Snowhog: ha ha you haven't hung around Linux long enough perhaps?
[22:47] <factotum> sorry for the typing. i have to hover my hands over they keyboard to keep from the pad to start taking over
[22:48] <Daskreech> Someone always proposes something and everyone starts screaming why are you touching that? it works (almost) leave it alone!!
[22:48] <Daskreech> ___PAGAL___: Hi
[22:48] <Snowhog> Daskreech: I appear to be one of the "blessed ones" in my foray into Linux. I've had almost zero issues since going Linux in 2007.
[22:48] <___PAGAL___> yes disk :)
[22:48] <Daskreech> Snowhog: Never said that it would hurt you. Distros outside of Fedora are usually pretty good about not swapping things out from under you
[22:49] <Daskreech> Ubuntu is kinda getting into doing that as wel
[22:49] <factotum> 2007? Luxary. We had to sleep in  a box in the middle of the road and compile our own kernels 2.4.x even, to get our hardware working properly
[22:49] <Daskreech> but trust me someone is tearing apart something cause it's boring right now
[22:49] <Daskreech> I remember when the announced they were going to change to 2.4
[22:49] <___PAGAL___> Daskreech how aree u :
[22:49] <Daskreech> people started screaming :)
[22:49] <Snowhog> factotum: You had a box!! Lucky you. I didn't have a road. :(
[22:49] <Daskreech> ___PAGAL___: I"m sleepy
[22:50] <___PAGAL___> :)
[22:50] <___PAGAL___> Daskreech
[22:50] <___PAGAL___> I'm new in  linux :(
[22:50] <factotum> Daskreech: Nature of the beast I guess. I ignore all that banter.
[22:51] <Daskreech> ___PAGAL___: Welcome!!! :) You avoided the Spanish Inquisition
[22:51] <Daskreech> No one expected that one
[22:51] <factotum> You realize time flies when you say LILO and they reply "who's that?"
[22:51] <___PAGAL___> how :(
[22:51] <Daskreech> factotum: ha ha I still know the cheat codes for that >_>
[22:51] <Daskreech> ___PAGAL___: Welcome to Kubuntu and KDE :)
[22:51] <___PAGAL___> thnkx :)
[22:56] <Snowhog> factotum: What's the issue with your touchpad and synaptiks?
[23:01] <Staly_Nick> hello, whats goin on here?
[23:02] <Staly_Nick> Whats difference betwen Kubuntu and Ubuntu?
[23:04] <factotum> Snowhog: it doesn't turn off when the keyboard is in use and I can't click and drag. I'm stuck with double-clicking and draging the window border. Other option doesn't work
[23:05] <factotum> Staly_Nick: KDE instead of Unity
[23:09] <factotum> makes using inkscape and gimp a pain in the arse
[23:13] <factotum> Snowhog: there was an option in 10.x in the system settings gui, not it seems to have been removed. Strange.
[23:13] <Daskreech> !kubuntu
[23:14] <Daskreech> factotum: It's technically KDE instead of GNOME
[23:14] <factotum> Daskreech: according to ubottu, yes.
[23:15] <Daskreech> factotum: according to actual facts :)
[23:15] <factotum> Oh, gnome is still the default?
[23:15] <factotum> Didn't know that. My bad.
[23:18] <factotum> I wonder if the really will go through with the whole Gubuntu thing for gnome. I heard some people started a petition for it.
[23:19] <factotum> Might as well, just add it to the roster.
[23:19] <factotum> Next up, Gnustepbuntu
[23:20] <Daskreech> factotum: Unity is just a shell on top of GNOME
[23:20] <factotum> AAAhhhh I get it now. Okay.
[23:20] <Daskreech> They are still using GNOME underneath the pretty (simple) interface
[23:20] <factotum> I dunno, it works well on my daughers netbook.  No for some reason it's not there anymore. Id did once upon a time with the 10.x release but it seems to be gone. Either that or relocated somewhere I haven't found yet.
[23:22] <Daskreech> I don't see why people would want a whole new distro to maintain so they can change one default package
[23:23] <factotum> Ego I guess.
[23:27] <Daskreech> more like fascination with pain
[23:59] <factotum> okay offtopic question: single player fps that isn't server-based. with a story line etc for linux. Does one exist?


[00:11] <daftykins> this seems odd
[00:12] <daftykins> 10.04.4 server - fully dist-upgrade'd runs 2.6.32-50-generic-pae, but just installed linux-headers-2.6.32-54
[00:12] <daftykins> is that normal?
[02:12] <mapps> anyone familiar with squid?
[06:18] <knightwise> morning
[06:18] <knightwise> morning
[07:07] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:38] <knightwise> morning everyon e
[07:40] <MooDoo> good moaning
[07:40] <knightwise> hey MooDoo , how are you today
[07:40] <MooDoo> knightwise: not bad at all :D
[07:41] <knightwise> its friday :)
[07:41] <MooDoo> yup, and I break up next friday, so all good.
[07:42] <knightwise> Break up ?
[07:45] <MooDoo> for the christmas hols.
[07:48] <knightwise> cool :)
[07:48] <knightwise> Say , have you been playing around with 14.04 ?
[07:49] <MooDoo> no not updated to it yet, probably won't until a couple months before release.
[07:51] <knightwise> i figure its not that stable yet huh.
[07:51] <knightwise> Just did an upgrade from 12.04 to 12.10 on my thinkpad and it kinda killed it.
[07:51] <MooDoo> knightwise: I know people that are having fun with it, but I'll wait.
[07:51] <knightwise> So i'm thinking about a nuke and pave but i'm not sure what distro to pick
[07:52] <MooDoo> knightwise: I'm upto dated to the latest, just not next years LTS
[07:55] <knightwise> i'm not a developer .. just a regular user but i do "need" my machine to be reliable. Thats why I stuck with 12.04
[07:55] <knightwise> Guess I'll go for 13.10
[07:55] <knightwise> thought of LMDE , but I don't like Cinamon very much
[07:55] <diplo> Morning all
[07:55] <knightwise> hey diplo
[07:56] <MooDoo> hay diplo
[07:57] <diplo> I seem to have more issues upgrading now adays knightwise, 13.04 > 13.10 was ok though
[07:57] <diplo> 12.10 had issues for me
[07:58] <MooDoo> I'm on 13.10 and it's fine at the moment, but then again i surf and check emails, don't do much else lol
[08:00] <knightwise> Same here ,but I also do some audio recording with audacity
[08:00] <knightwise> what mainly annoys me in 12.04 is the bad support for my synaptic touchpad
[08:00] <diplo> I run a webserver on mine/db etc but laptop is my main machine for work
[08:01] <knightwise> I have to reboot twice for it to work
[08:05] <MooDoo> I only have a laptop at the moment.
[08:06] <diplo> Its my own PC using for work, along with 3 servers downstairs that I own :)
[08:07] <MooDoo> I'm currently using ahem windows 7 as my server
[08:07]  * MooDoo ducks
[08:08] <knightwise> MooDoo: .. I just had to clean out my eyes with SALT after I read that
[08:08] <MooDoo> knightwise: sorry
[08:08] <knightwise> :)
[08:13] <MooDoo> it's easy for me with cloud backups to use their software.
[09:22] <foobarry> \o/ iperf giving 9.72Gb/s between VMs. its the small things that make me happy
[09:24] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday the 13th, and happy Violin Day!  :-D
[09:25] <MooDoo> JamesTait: morning
[09:25] <foobarry> do we get to be sarcastic about people's sob stories today then?
[09:25] <MooDoo> foobarry: highly i think, and I'll join you
[09:26] <JamesTait> foobarry, only if you accompany it with this: http://xkcd.com/743/
[09:26] <foobarry> i think the programmes where i've seen most people i actually know in real life appearing on it is 1) pointless 2) grange hill 3) blockbusters
[09:28] <popey> Strictly is the only one I can think of recently.
[09:28] <popey> Dancer from Sophie's dance school
[09:28] <popey> no, not strictly, the other one
[09:28] <foobarry> i'm a celbrity strictly dancing on ice factor?
[09:28] <popey> yeah, something like that
[09:29] <popey> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00tqp9y/profiles/danielle-cato
[09:30] <ali1234> my nan was an extra on auf weidersehen pet
[09:38] <foobarry> http://now-here-this.timeout.com/2013/12/11/23-dazzling-photos-of-the-fog-enveloping-london/
[09:38] <foobarry> stunning
[09:44] <JamesTait> I didn't know there were cable cars in London.
[09:44] <foobarry> yep
[09:45] <foobarry> think i'll give it a miss
[09:45] <foobarry> its like sim city
[09:45] <foobarry> big wheel one year, random dome building, then a cable car
[09:45] <foobarry> then godzilla tramples your city
[09:45] <dwatkins> just turn off disasters
[09:46] <foobarry> its up to boris
[09:46] <dwatkins> yeah, he needs to turn off disasters
[09:46] <foobarry> he might wanna build an airport
[09:47] <foobarry> its funny how EDF keep banging on about low carbon energy because low carbon = nuclear
[09:48] <bashrc>  better brush that nuclear waste disposal problem under the carpet
[09:48] <dwatkins> Greenpeace used to be against nuclear power, then they realised it was the least bad solution.
[09:48] <bashrc> oh and don't mention Fukushima or the 30km exclusion zone
[09:48] <dwatkins> I agree there's an issue with containment, but as far as viable alternatives to coal and oil burning go, it's not so bad for the environment so long as you don't let radioactive material out.
[09:49] <dwatkins> Wind and solar just don't provide enough power at concistent times of day.
[09:49] <dwatkins> *consistent
[09:49] <ali1234> greenpeace is no longer against nukes?
[09:49] <ali1234> when did they change their mind?
[09:49] <bashrc> and then there's the problem that the same refinement factories can also be used to produce bombs...
[09:56] <brobostigon> good morning everyone
[10:01] <directhex> dwatkins, PSH deals with that issue
[10:06] <foobarry> anyone know how to stop thunderbird giving notifications for emails outside of inbox?
[10:06] <foobarry> if i click on my 2011 folder, i get notify osd messages for the next ten minutes
[10:09] <brobostigon> the bug i found a few days ago in android 4.4 was fixed with todays google search update.
[10:10] <ali1234> brobostigon: did they fix it because you reported it? or just randomly?
[10:10] <dwatkins> http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/ is fun to watch
[10:10] <brobostigon> ali1234: no idea.
[10:10] <ali1234> yeah they don't give much feedback
[10:10] <dwatkins> directhex: Pershore railway station?
[10:11] <ali1234> i've had a patch on their gerrit for like 6 months now, no response
[10:11] <brobostigon> ali1234: ah, ohwell.
[10:11] <directhex> dwatkins, pumped storage hydroelectric. i.e. a big-ass battery
[10:11] <dwatkins> aha I see, yes
[10:12] <MooDoo> I NEED TO INSTALL WORDPRESS BUT I ONLY SEE WORDPRESS BLOG, IT'S URGENT FIX IT.....sigh!
[10:12] <ali1234> MooDoo: :(
[10:12] <MooDoo> the pain
[10:12] <ali1234> i'm currently getting "why haven't you redesigned the website yet"
[10:13] <ali1234> because i'm not a web designer, i'm a sysadmin :(
[10:13] <MooDoo> ali1234: oh the bests ones for that are "just take all the content from microsofts site and use tht for mine, i'm sure they wouldn't mind" raaaaaaa
[10:13] <dwatkins> I had someone complain about our support system sending out e-mails every time I do something with their ticket.
[10:13] <MooDoo> ali1234: we're not the only ones - http://clientsfromhell.net/
[10:14] <brobostigon> a simple fact of not being able to remove widgets/icons in landscape, but could in portrait.
[10:28] <knightwise> Back
[10:28] <brobostigon> wb
[10:29]  * brobostigon installs cover beta on his phone,
[10:30] <knightwise> hey brobostigon
[10:35] <knightwise> I just got called into my boss' office because I had sent out a "Keep Calm and Kill Him" image to one of my co-workers regarding the fact he should switch of a foreign laptop that was connected to our network
[10:36] <knightwise> boss thought I was gonna loose it and come in with a gun at work
[10:36] <knightwise> ... Noobs .. They don't speak our language
[10:36] <foobarry> or maybe they thought it was unprofessonial?
[10:37] <bashrc> so, your boss was going to shoot you?
[10:37] <knightwise> foobarry: probably.  But being in charge of an IT dept and being technically incompetent is also unprofessional
[10:37] <MooDoo> lol
[10:38] <foobarry> at least your SAN cluster hasn't just gonw down :(
[10:38] <foobarry> i hate oracle/sun
[10:51] <Myrtti> ali1234: slap bootstrap on it, done
[10:51] <Myrtti> profit
[10:53] <ali1234> i don't even understand what that is
[10:53] <ali1234> it looks like a templating language, with no backend
[10:53] <ali1234> so you can programmatically create static websites?
[10:54] <ali1234> i don't even understand it at all
[10:56] <Myrtti> well no, it's just a template for whatever you put it on
[10:56] <Myrtti> I've got it on CMS made simple, but it's not that difficult to slap it on any content management
[10:57] <ali1234> interesting
[10:57] <ali1234> i might actually do that
[11:01] <davmor2> Morning all
[11:24] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[11:25] <MooDoo> morning davmor2 bigcalm
[11:42] <directhex> apparently it takes a lone 20 year old to explain why windows 8 sucks - and propose how to fix it. http://jay-machalani.squarespace.com/blog/2013/12/12/fixing-windows-8
[11:44] <MooDoo> ah let people moan about windows 8, i like it
[11:45] <bashrc> windows 8 is its own worst enemy
[11:45] <MooDoo> I like it and use it lots
[11:45] <AlanBell> so he has something like the dash, but called up from bottom left rather than top left
[11:46] <AlanBell> and with richer content than the dash
[11:48] <directhex> AlanBell, remember Slab?
[11:49] <directhex> http://news.opensuse.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/gnome-slab.png
[11:50] <AlanBell> directhex: interesting, that looks quite useable
[11:53] <bigcalm> Looks like windows rejigged
[11:54] <ali1234> directhex: that... that actually looks good
[11:54] <AlanBell> which is what people wanted, something a little bit better than XP
[11:56] <foobarry> MS know that people prefer win7, they just don't wanna give it
[11:56] <Laney> that was in Ubuntu for a little bit I think
[11:56] <Laney> 'gnome-main-menu', unless that was something else
[11:56] <directhex> Laney, yes
[11:57] <ali1234> xubuntu 14.04 is looking at whiskermenu by default (which is basically the same as that)
[11:57] <ali1234> http://gottcode.org/xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin/screenshots/whiskermenu.png
[11:57] <Laney> heh
[11:57] <Laney> is that a fork of g-m-m?
[11:59] <ali1234> i doubt it
[11:59] <diddledan> err, that's a clone of windows 7's start menu isn't it?
[11:59] <diddledan> I don't get the idea that we should be cloning windows
[11:59] <ali1234> yes, as in g-m-m pretty much
[12:00] <diddledan> canonical get it
[12:00] <diddledan> do something unique
[12:00] <ali1234> "copy apple!"
[12:00] <diplo> diddledan: I like the way win7 works
[12:00] <diddledan> make a USP
[12:00] <diplo> I don't mind unity
[12:00] <ali1234> or, more like "quick, find someone doing something unique, and then copy them!"
[12:00] <diddledan> I like windows 8, I like windows 7 and I like ubuntu+unity
[12:01] <diddledan> they're all different
[12:01] <diddledan> they don't _need_ to be the same
[12:01] <diplo> Not a liker of 8 myself, but everyone to their own
[12:01] <ali1234> windows 7 isn't actually all that different from unity
[12:02] <ali1234> well, depending on how windows 7 is configured that is
[12:03] <diplo> :)
[12:31] <foobarry> i defintely removed all my digg acounts
[12:31] <foobarry> so why the emails from them?
[12:33] <bashrc> havn't used digg for many years
[12:34] <MooDoo> it wasn't the same when diggnation stopped
[12:47] <foobarry> diggnation was just drunk people programme?
[12:47] <foobarry> they had consumed too many before the show, it was intolerable
[12:48] <foobarry> although i am prejudiced against drunk american jocks
[14:26] <bigcalm> Anybody know of an easy way to compare the records of a table in one database with the same table in another database?
[14:27] <popey> dump and diff
[14:27] <MooDoo> can't you use checksum ?
[14:27] <bigcalm> MooDoo: that would only tell me if things are different, not what those differences where
[14:28] <bigcalm> popey: yeah, I was thinking that would be a route
[14:29] <AlanBell> bigcalm: same server? mysql?
[14:29] <bigcalm> AlanBell: two different servers, both mysql
[14:29] <AlanBell> ok
[14:30] <AlanBell> script to walk through them and compare then I guess
[14:30] <bigcalm> Joy, the mysqldump make it into one insert statement
[14:30] <bigcalm> Heh, I don't think the tables are big enough to need a script
[14:33] <dogmatic69> anyone know what would cause and email to have the 'from' field set as the server name it was coming from?
[14:39] <popey> czajkowski: saw this and thought of you http://imgur.com/gallery/QNNrECO
[14:41] <dwatkins> dogmatic69: cron?
[14:42] <dogmatic69> dwatkins:  possible
[14:47] <dogmatic69> getting emails with php imap in a cron and one has a from as root@servername
[14:48] <czajkowski>  popey lol
[14:53] <diplo> bigcalm: Whenever I have that issue, I copy the table I want to check against to the other server in a different table name
[14:53] <diplo> Easiest/quickest way I've found, and delete after
[14:54] <bigcalm> Turns out I don't need to. The data is the same, I was just looking at the wrong values :)
[14:56] <diplo> heh
[15:12] <Laney> czajkowski: fosdem'd
[15:12] <Laney> :>
[15:13] <czajkowski> Laney: huzzah!
[15:14] <Laney> you better show me the ropes
[15:14]  * popey wants to go to fosdem
[15:27]  * foobarry wants to go home
[15:27] <bigcalm> popey: I think I've found your new avatar photo ;)
[15:27] <Laney> popey: do it
[15:30] <popey> can't
[15:31] <popey> going to a sprint
[15:31] <SuperMatt> https://wiki.supermatt.net/TV_Folder I need to stop being a digital hoarder
[15:31] <popey> not sure it's wise to publicise what you torrent
[15:32] <SuperMatt> you may be right
[15:38] <diplo> :)
[15:40] <Laney> a sprint at the weekend?
[15:41] <Laney> I guess sometimes you have to travel on the weekend :(
[15:41] <popey> indeed
[15:41] <popey> to florida
[15:43] <Laney> hah
[15:43] <Laney> same hotel?
[15:44] <popey> no ideaa
[15:44] <Laney> quite liked that place on reflection
[15:45] <Laney> remember being bollocked for illicit night time hot tubbing
[15:45] <popey> indeed
[15:46] <bigcalm> Kernel team by any chance?
[15:46] <Laney> nope...
[15:46] <Laney> the offender is in this channel
[15:47] <bigcalm> Does he like Cream Eggs?
[15:47] <AlanBell> sounds like a Daviey story
[15:48] <Laney> don't know, and correct
[15:48] <daftykins> XD
[15:50] <daftykins> anyone know if you can have a CNAME and a SRV record at the same time for a domain's 'autodiscover' record?
[15:53] <shauno> I don't think it should work, but I can't tell you what'd happen
[15:55] <daftykins> apparently my clients hosted Exchange setup is being upgraded to Exchange 2013 and so requires an SRV record
[15:55] <daftykins> but it's a bit weird the way they're:
[15:55] <daftykins> Service: _autodiscover.
[15:55] <daftykins> Protocol: _tcp.
[15:55] <daftykins> the underscore beforehand seems odd
[15:56] <shauno> that's normal for srv records
[15:56] <daftykins> ah ok
[15:57] <shauno> eg, host -t srv _xmpp-server._tcp.gmail.com
[15:58] <shauno> should answer with which hosts provide the xmpp-server service for gmail.com
[15:58] <shauno> this way I Can jabber with<EMAIL_ADDRESS>without gmail.com having to be a xmpp server
[15:59] <MattJ> Jabber \o/
[16:00] <shauno> so for exchange you point _autodiscover._tcp.example.com at an exchange host, then when you're setting up compatible clients, you just give them<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and they can track down the exchange server to ask it for the required details
[16:00] <daftykins> shauno: so on my control panel's DNS - i've already got the CNAME of 'autodiscover' so the SRV will contain '_autodiscover' instead?
[16:01] <shauno> _Autodiscover should be the left-hand-side .. it's the query, not the answer
[16:02] <shauno> eg, in bind it'd be: _autodiscover._tcp.example.com. IN SRV exchange.example.com   (or wherever your exchange host lives)
[16:03] <shauno> although just to make it fun, srv records arent' meant to point to cnames
[16:03] <daftykins> *nod* so they don't clash due to the underscore at the start
[16:05] <shauno> it's pretty neat once you get your head around it.  it's just like MX records, except you can create them for any service you can name
[16:05] <daftykins> :)
[16:05] <diddledan> shauno, http://api.bowlhat.net/dns/_xmpp-server._tcp.gmail.com/srv :-D
[16:11] <shauno> 'IN' is a weird leftover we're never going to get rid of though
[16:11] <diddledan> I don't actually know what IN means?
[16:11] <shauno> internet
[16:11] <diddledan> obvious I guess
[16:12] <diddledan> what alternatives were envisaged?
[16:12] <shauno> I imagine it was a leftover from before we were born
[16:14] <shauno> but now every record is an 'internet' record, even when it's not.  eg, the .tel domain has 'LOC' for location and 'NAPTR' that can reply with phone numbers.  but they're still 'IN' records
[16:28] <shauno> well I didn't know that.  apparently 'chaos' is the only alternative to 'in' still in use
[16:28] <gcj> -
[16:30] <shauno> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6567507/
[16:36] <xnox> AlanBell: have you not requested permission to use "*buntu" for the Pi project? i don't see why it wouldn't be granted.
[16:45] <AlanBell> xnox: no, not requested that
[16:45] <AlanBell> Any redistribution of modified versions of Ubuntu must be approved, certified or provided by Canonical if you are going to associate it with the Trademarks.
[16:46] <xnox> AlanBell: i guess raspeberrypi cluster cannot be located in the DC
[16:46] <AlanBell> it isn't impossible that one day it gets distributed as Ubuntu
[16:47] <xnox> AlanBell: why raspeberrypi cluster? as far as I know raspbian doesn't actually use raspeberrys to compile the port. it's using slightly more powerful dev boards instead.
[16:47] <AlanBell> it does
[16:47] <xnox> (they simply target raspiban abi)
[16:47] <bashrc> I think you could redistribute Ubuntu, it's just that you'd have to change the logos and call it something different
[16:47] <xnox> AlanBell: not what i was told at Debconf-uk, maybe i miss-understood.
[16:47] <AlanBell> bashrc: exactly (though I don't actually want to change the logos)
[16:48] <AlanBell> xnox: it does use different dev boards :)
[16:48] <bashrc> I seem to remember that there were similar trademark issues with Redhat at one time
[16:49] <AlanBell> so for crowdfunding, it makes no sense to say "we heard you like Raspberry Pi, we want to build Ubuntu for Raspberry Pi, please give us money to spend on a Calxeda box"
[16:49] <AlanBell> bashrc: which is why centos exists
[16:49] <AlanBell> http://www.canonical.com/intellectual-property-policy
[16:50] <ali1234> more to the point, why *should* you call it ubuntu?
[16:50] <AlanBell> it isn't a big issue, I am just being fairly clear about what we are doing, and making some effort to comply with the policy by calling it something else
[16:51] <ali1234> why give free advertising to canonical?
[16:51] <AlanBell> well part of the point is that it is a build of the Ubuntu packages
[16:51] <ali1234> why all come from debian anyway
[16:51] <AlanBell> if I just wanted a debian-like system then I have raspbian
[16:53] <AlanBell> if it all works and is awesome and Canonical come to me begging to have the cluster and put it in their DC and distribute it as Ubuntu, then we might be open to negotiation :)
[16:55] <bashrc> ClusterBuntu?
[16:56] <AlanBell> err, it isn't Ubuntu for clusters, and it isn't going to have *buntu in the name :)
[16:57] <AlanBell> top contender for the name (if nobody buys the still available naming rights) is LibertOS at the moment
[17:02] <shauno> I know it just makes me sound grumpy, but that one strikes me as a bit awkward
[17:02] <daftykins> liber-toss - hrmm
[17:05] <shauno> for me, more that I'm far too used to seeing Liebert.  So even knowing fine well that it's mutated from Libertus, it still lands in my head as Liebert OS
[17:08] <shauno> I realise that's not actually a conflict; different spellings, different fields, etc.  that's just the double-take it throws at me
[17:14] <AlanBell> shauno: it isn't the perfect name, just the best I have come up with so far
[17:15] <shauno> oh I'm not criticising, just joining in.  I'm terrible at names too
[17:15] <shauno> I mean, if I was involved, Ubuntu would still be called no-name-yet
[17:18] <shauno> mostly I'm just trying to distract myself from what I'm meant to be doing.  I found out today that I get to present at a customer campus next month.  My first time, and I'm not an optimist
[17:18] <shauno> so I'm going through my mountain of powerpoints trying to figure out if there's anything at all I can salvage
[17:20] <daftykins> :D
[17:21] <popey> AlanBell: LiberacOS - Mirror Chandler Baldwin Grand Piano release.
[17:22] <popey> AlanBell: you should tweet a link to an openly editable etherpad where people can suggest their the OS name ☻
[17:22] <bigcalm> Anybody with experience with logrotate configuration? My efforts don't appear to work
[17:23] <AlanBell> I might do, after the funding closes
[17:23] <BigRedS_> bigcalm: some, what's not working?
[17:24] <popey> AlanBell: well, it could be a spur to get people talking about it, and visiting and donating
[17:24] <bigcalm> BigRedS: I don't see the original log file being moved/compressed/replaced
[17:24] <popey> I'd do it before the finish
[17:24] <shauno> that's not actually a bad idea.  "you can win this arguement for the low, low price of .."
[17:25] <BigRedS> bigcalm: do you have notifempty?
[17:25] <BigRedS> (assuming the files are empty....)
[17:25] <bigcalm> BigRedS: tbh, I copied an existing config not really looking into how it works :)
[17:25] <BigRedS> you can do logrotate --force /etc/logrotate.d/whatever   to force it to try running, and avoid waiting for a new cron invocation
[17:26] <bigcalm> Oo, that's handy
[17:26] <BigRedS> (though I think that'll also not do any tests and always do the rotation)
[17:26] <bigcalm> Oh, it has worked!
[17:26] <BigRedS> and there's a switch for debug with that, too, I think. -v? or -d
[17:26] <bigcalm> It just didn't look like it had when I looked yesterday!
[17:26] <BigRedS> ah, cool
[17:27] <bigcalm> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6567800/
[17:27] <bigcalm> Not sure about the rotate 4 bit
[17:28] <BigRedS> that's how many old ones to keep
[17:28] <bigcalm> Ah
[17:28] <bigcalm> I want it to keep forever (for now)
[17:28] <bigcalm> Disc space is cheap
[17:29] <BigRedS> I don't think there is a 'forever' but you could just stick a massive number in there...
[17:29] <bigcalm> Okay
[17:29] <bigcalm> If a log file is empty, how do I stop it creating a tarball of it?
[17:30] <BigRedS> notifempty
[17:30] <bigcalm> Ta
[17:30] <BigRedS> that'll stop it rotating it
[17:32] <bigcalm> Perfect!
[17:32]  * bigcalm deploys it to production
[17:33] <BigRedS> at 1732 on a friday? :(
[17:34] <popey> MADNESS!
[17:34] <popey> Ship it!
[17:35] <davmor2> bigcalm: What could possibly go wrong on friday 13th at your EOD?
[17:36] <bigcalm> End of who's day?
[17:36] <davmor2> reports in as the internet crashes due to somebody tappering with a log file
[17:37] <bigcalm> 1.6GB log file tarballed to 67MB
[17:37] <bigcalm> I'm happy
[17:37] <davmor2> bigcalm: Yeah but you are weird in that you never actually stop working :P
[17:38] <bigcalm> Wonder if I should have it put the date/time in the file name. Then again, just look at `ls`
[17:44] <bigcalm> Heh, just talked my boss though the pros/cons of using a PPA
[17:44] <bigcalm> He's very much a Debian person and not used to Ubuntu
[17:45] <bigcalm> s/though/through/
[17:46] <davmor2> bigcalm:  what was the outcome of your discussion?
[17:47] <bigcalm> davmor2: reassurance I think. Made him aware of the pros/cons and suggested he looked for linked activity around the maintainer's name and links to the PPA
[17:50] <ali1234> if he knows debian that conversation should have gone like "it's exactly like using a random deb you found on the internet"
[17:51] <bigcalm> Heh
[18:20] <DJones> czajkowski: I think this might be an appropriate facebook group for you to join https://www.facebook.com/Dogbookapp There's lots of Pug pictures mixed in
[18:40] <directhex> so... ubuntu phone hardware partner. any guesses?
[18:40] <DJones> directhex: Blackberry or Nokia..... :)
[18:41] <popey> ☻
[18:41] <directhex> i have my bet.
[18:41] <popey> should have a sweepstake
[18:41] <directhex> as long as canonical employees are banned from participation
[18:42] <popey> sure
[18:42] <ali1234> amazon
[18:42] <popey> not that many know
[18:42] <directhex> ali1234, interesting idea. id that your official bet?
[18:43] <ali1234> well, it's either them, or some tiny chinese company none of us has ever heard of
[18:43] <ali1234> so sure
[18:43] <directhex> anyone else?
[18:44] <ali1234> i guess dell is also a possibility
[18:44] <ali1234> though i think if dell were going to do it, they would have agreed to it a long time ago
[18:45] <ali1234> imagine how amazing it would be if it turned out to be microsoft
[18:45] <ali1234> and steve ballmer came out on stage and danced in a trollface mask
[18:46] <popey> hah
[18:47] <popey> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHPkgIPDfcE is now my current fave song
[18:47] <directhex> it's telling that the reports say the device will be "high end"
[18:47] <popey> especially https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHPkgIPDfcE#t=1m45s that bit onwards
[18:47] <ali1234> "yes we drove nokia into the ground se we could buy it. but none of you guessed we only did it to troll all linux users."
[18:48] <directhex> i can see two possible companies. one of them i don't think anyone has suggested yet
[18:48] <DJones> Suggestions I've seen have been Asus (as a hardware partner of Canonical/Ubuntu), Alcatel or LG
[18:49] <directhex> i think oppo make devices with high end components - although not much desirability so far
[18:49] <directhex> and one company which has been talking about taking its (major) chinese phone business to the west: lenovo
[18:50] <DJones> Lenovo could be a good thought given how they have a lot of hardware certified products
[20:11] <DJones> If you're gullible enough to believe that Apple has built a Bitcoin mining function in Macs, this might be a page read http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/12/13/mac_bitcoin_mining_hoax/   As if..
[20:11] <DJones> (As claimed on 4Chan)
[20:11] <ali1234> gotta love 4chan
[20:12] <ali1234> making everyone brick their new xbox was hilarious
[20:12] <DJones> That was funny
[21:09] <BigRedS> I've plugged my phone in and I can browse it in nautilus but it's not actually mounted. Is there some way I can use things like rsync on its filesystem?
[21:12] <AlanBell> BigRedS: have a look in /run/user/1000/gvfs
[21:12] <AlanBell> assuming you are uid 1000
[21:20] <MartijnVdS> it used to be in ~/.gvfs
[21:21]  * MartijnVdS waves from somewhere near Shepherd's Bush
[21:23] <AlanBell> yeah, it doesn't seem to be in ~/.gvfs at least for mtp devices
[21:24] <MartijnVdS> mount point of mass storage devices moved to /media/$username as well
[21:24] <MartijnVdS> in the last few releases
[21:35] <diddledan> MartijnVdS: male or female shepherd?
[21:36] <diddledan> oh my
[21:36] <diddledan> that was n0rty
[21:36] <diddledan> :-p
[21:36]  * diddledan chants "family friendly, family friendly"
[21:37]  * DJones rescues diddledan, it must be a male german shepherd, if it was female, it wouldn't cock its leg on a bush
[21:51]  * AlanBell has a near disaster caused by a software error
[21:51] <AlanBell> I lost control of a robot arm I was controlling through python
[21:51] <AlanBell> very nearly knocked the coffee off my desk
[22:00] <diddledan> oh god, AlanBell , the machines are rising up already?!
[22:04] <daftykins> ls /home/alanbell/skynet/ :O
[22:09] <ball> Is Ubuntu the only operating system that uses the Unity desktop?
[22:11] <AlanBell> diddledan: yeah, the main problem of course is that I tried to stop it by frantically typing stuff and not reaching over to turn it off :)
[22:29] <popey> ball: by default, yes
[22:33] <ball> popey: Does that mean it can be added to others?
[22:34] <ball> I almost typed "otters" then.  I'm tired.
[22:40] <daftykins> perhaps it's a DE like any other, someone could package up another distro with it
[22:49] <ball> Ah ok, so it's there as an option if other distributions wanted to get on-board with it.
[22:58] <popey> ball: it can
[22:59] <popey> i suspect unity8 will be easier for other distros to adopt
[22:59] <popey> but whether they will or not..
[22:59] <diddledan> I think it's mostly political that other distros haven't done so or won't in the future
[23:01] <diddledan> canonical seem to be becoming described by third-parties as a large corporate that everyone should hate
[23:01] <diddledan> I don't like it and I don't understand the position
[23:01] <ball> I have to go.  I look forward to learning more about this later this evening.
[23:01] <ball> Bye all!
[23:01] <popey> o/
[23:02] <diddledan> also people seem unable to separate canonical from ubuntu
[23:02] <diddledan> talk about one and "they" assume you're also talking about the other because [23:03] <popey> thats been the way for years
[23:21] <AlanBell> http://chrishadfield.ca/booktour/ look who is on tour
[23:44] <AlanBell> what I did this evening . . . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNzOYQMP3yw
[23:51] <popey> so steamos is out and based on debian 7.1
[23:51] <popey> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/steamuniverse/discussions/1/648814395741989999/
[23:51] <daftykins> cor
[23:52] <daftykins> AlanBell: is that a samsung R530
[23:52] <daftykins> +?
[23:53] <Jaylo> Hello?
[23:53] <daftykins> hi
[23:53] <daftykins> ah yes - just seen the model # closer :)
[23:53] <daftykins> i fixed up one of those for a friends sister a couple of times
[23:53] <Jaylo> Hi there. Been trying to connect to this for a bit. I was wondering if someone could perhaps help me? I'm not very knowledgeable of Ubuntu.
[23:54] <daftykins> Jaylo: ask away with as much detail as you can, but bear in mind if you don't get an answer there's also the main #ubuntu support channel
[23:54] <Jaylo> Very well, thank you.
[23:56] <Jaylo> I installed Ubuntu on my Asus EeePC 1001PXD and it worked okay for a while, but now whenever I press the power button and it starts to boot up it says: *Checking battery state... [ OK] and then underneath it says mountall: Plymouth command failed and under that it says mountall: Disconnected from Plymouth.
[23:56] <Jaylo> Then, it just stays on that black screen. I was wondering if there's a way to fix that either by restoring it or completely wiping the operating system off it. The computer doesn't have a disc drive.
[23:57] <AlanBell> daftykins: it is, yes
[23:58] <Jaylo> Could you share some wisdom on how to fix it? Not 100% sure of which version of Ubuntu is on it, it's before 13.04.