[03:09] <diddledan_> oh no! humpty dumpty fell off his wall!
[04:54] <daftykins> diddledan_: D: not his wall!
[04:54] <daftykins> also you appear to have clones
[04:54] <diddledan> yes! his wall!
[04:55] <zmoylan-pi> that's just diddledan, always cloning around...
[04:55] <daftykins> hehe yeah, if i had a guernsey £1 note for every time...
[04:55] <daftykins> hmm i'm debating going down the working man's cafe when it opens at 6am for a good fry up!
[04:57] <zmoylan-pi> you'd have a lot of money that would take forever to spend on mainland as you'd have to explain it's real money each and every time... :-)
[04:57] <daftykins> it's refused :(
[04:58] <zmoylan-pi> i thought it was like northern ireland or scottish money, legit in england?
[05:00] <diddledan> don't be silly. he prints them himself
[05:01] <daftykins> i got roped into going to a clients' cleaners place to look at a dodgy router in a house shared by about 8 Latvian immigrant folks
[05:01] <daftykins> halp...
[05:04] <diddledan> oh dear
[05:15] <daftykins> hmm some place predicts that by 2017 SSDs will cost only 7p per GB more than HDDs
[05:16] <MartijnVdS> sounds  about right
[05:16] <zmoylan-pi> i _might_ have ssd by then :-)
[05:16] <MartijnVdS> 1TB SSDs are €200 now
[05:19] <daftykins> 3D NAND has been the saviour for sure
[05:20] <daftykins> so Mozilla are giving Thunderbird the chop :O
[05:20] <zmoylan-pi> i miss hardcards... a hard disk stuck on a wafer thin daughter board wobbling over your mother board like a sword of damocles... :-)
[05:25] <diddledan> I want an NVMe epeen
[05:25] <diddledan> moar disk!
[05:26] <daftykins> i find it odd how i had to update that thar Surface
[05:26] <daftykins> still had to select to murder the old OS backup in disk cleanup, too
[05:27] <daftykins> do the factory reset type options do much on surfaces?
[06:09] <diddledan> I'm dirty
[06:09] <diddledan> I'm messing about with visual studio
[06:10] <daftykins> D:
[06:10] <daftykins> never played with surface wiping options then, sir?
[06:10] <diddledan> nope
[06:11] <daftykins> your kitchen must be a bacteria playground! ;D
[06:11] <diddledan> :-p
[06:12] <zmoylan-pi> it hardens the immune system... and they have shares in andrex... :-P
[09:04] <MooDoo> hello all
[09:05] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:05] <MooDoo> howdy davmor2
[09:46] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:47] <bashrc_> g'day
[09:48] <daftykins> o/
[09:48] <brobostigon> morning bashrc_ and daftykins
[09:49] <daftykins> no sign of the posties :(
[09:50] <brobostigon> :(
[09:51] <MooDoo> daftykins: waiting for goodies?
[09:52] <daftykins> mmhmm
[09:54] <daftykins> an SSD that was on amazon's deals, a Nexus 5 LCD from China and more
[09:59] <Myrtti> I was impressed by the speed the Moto360 made its way from China
[09:59] <Myrtti> I think we ordered it on Thursday evening and it arrived yesterday
[10:03] <daftykins> free shipping off ebay here, so it said 1-17 December
[10:27] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Wednesday, and happy International Day for the Abolition of Slavery! 😃
[10:47] <davmor2> JamesTait: not exactly slavery but I think the sentiment is right https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgcTvoWjZJU
[10:48] <davmor2> JamesTait: and then there is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UH1CMCtV4to which is a slavery people don't mind so much ;)
[10:58] <Myrtti> I can't remember the name of the pdf annotation app that I used years and years ago... gah
[11:03] <davmor2> Myrtti: foxit/okular/xournal/evince all do it off the top of my head
[11:03] <Myrtti> xournal, thassit
[11:04] <Myrtti> I don't think evince does any
[11:06] <davmor2> Myrtti: https://help.gnome.org/users/evince/stable/annotations.html.en
[11:06] <davmor2> Myrtti: just not so pretty
[11:07] <davmor2> Myrtti: glad to be of help anyway :)
[11:08] <Myrtti> ah right
[11:08] <Myrtti> thank you
[11:16] <awilkins> IME Okular is the best Linux PDF viewer that does annotations
[11:16] <awilkins> The evince annotations are done in an external file and don't translate to Adobe's PDF reader
[11:16] <awilkins> Okular annotations are done in the standard PDF/A way and do carry over
[11:24] <davmor2> awilkins: personally I think pdftk is the best ;)
[11:25] <davmor2> awilkins: xournal is the same iirc
[11:25] <awilkins> Xournal is a PDF viewer?
[11:26] <awilkins> And pdftk is Windows only AFAICT
[11:26] <Myrtti> doctor's wants some of my papers and I needed to translate them a bit, so annotations it is
[11:27] <davmor2> awilkins: sudo apt install pdftk it was on linux first ;)
[11:28] <awilkins> Those wags at PDF Labs
[11:28] <davmor2> awilkins: it's a cli tool that uses cat seriously you think that was a windows only tool :)
[11:28] <awilkins> I think combined media notetaking apps are sadly deficient, TBH
[11:28] <awilkins> But I don;t have a coherent plan to improve them without thinking hard about it
[11:29] <davmor2> awilkins: I think most of the tutuorials you find online are windows only cause linux users know how to read man pages and use --help :)
[13:31] <foobarry> wow, good guy zuckerburg
[13:42]  * SuperEngineer notices his name must be in code in Zuckerburg's letter as it's not mentioned specifically- supposes he doesn't want to embarrass me
[13:44] <foobarry> people need to stop using foo
[13:44] <foobarry> found a file /tmp/foo with 2 different logs in
[13:44] <foobarry> somebody did a blah > /tmp/foo
[13:44] <foobarry> somebody else did a script that opened /tmp/foo and wrote more stuff
[13:45] <SuperEngineer> would you rather they used /tmp/barry foobarry?
[13:45] <foobarry> yes
[13:45] <SuperEngineer> ;-)
[13:57] <davmor2> they could use foobar
[13:57] <foobarry> its all naughty
[13:58] <foobarry> use proper file names in production
[13:58] <davmor2> foobarry: no
[13:58] <foobarry> :0
[13:59] <davmor2> foobarry: the issue is lots of people just copy paste  the examples from the internet without thinking I'll call the file x.log instead of foo
[14:00] <foobarry> this was a script written inhouse
[14:01] <foobarry> not sure if my biggest gripe is that foo is undescriptive as a log name, or is common so might get splatted by another unimaginative person
[14:07] <diplo> Bit of nboth probably foobarry
[14:07] <diplo> -n
[14:12] <diplo> You would hate to see all our internal and customer servers, you'd probably scream ( i do :D )
[14:18] <foobarry> been screaming a lot already today
[14:45] <foobarry> ny NFS server is extremly slow
[14:45] <foobarry> like bytes/sec instead of 1Gb/s
[14:45] <foobarry> something is afoot
[14:46] <diplo> I've never got on with NFS, then again not used it in years
[14:46] <diplo> Always had issues with speeds
[14:51] <MooDoo> I use NFS for my storage/backup solutions, it seems ok for what I want until I just get a single NAS and remove all my servers
[14:52] <foobarry> gonna use async option
[15:02] <diplo> bigcalm: hadn't checked on letsencypt for a while, ta fanx
[15:02] <diplo> Set up and ready to try tomorrow night :)
[15:06] <SuperMatt> my website is signed by let's encrypt
[15:06] <SuperMatt> I found a bug in it, submitted a patch, and then got it accepted :)
[15:07] <SuperMatt> it didn't like TLDs longer than 6 characters, but with the new TLDs, they can be as long as 63
[15:07] <SuperMatt> .digital was just too longer for LE until I came along ;)
[15:07] <diplo> Good man :) opensource in action
[15:10] <SuperMatt> I was dead proud of myself :)
[15:10] <SuperMatt> it's a shame it's still in closed beta, but it's quite easy to find the form
[15:12] <diddledan> m00
[15:13] <diddledan> it goes public tomorrow afaik
[15:14] <foobarry> how do i know if my nfs mount is async or sync?
[15:14] <foobarry> doesn't want to tell me
[15:14] <diplo> yup it does, at 6pm on the 3rd GMT
[15:14] <SuperMatt> if it doesn't tell you, it's the default
[15:14] <SuperMatt> which you could probably find by running "man mount.nfs"
[15:15] <foobarry> yeah, nothing there
[15:15]  * diddledan still messing in MS Visual Studio >.<
[15:15] <diddledan> it's actually not bad
[15:16] <SuperMatt> foobarry: man nfs might tell you
[15:16] <davmor2> diddledan: don't make me get out of this chair.....
[15:16] <SuperMatt> I think it's in async mode
[15:16] <SuperMatt> "If neither sync nor async is specified (or if the async option is specified), the NFS client..."
[15:16] <diddledan> davmor2, I hear that. sitting ftw
[15:17] <SuperMatt> which suggests async is the default
[15:17] <foobarry> i was just reading that bit
[15:17] <foobarry> doesn't look like async is my problem then
[15:18] <SuperMatt> have you tried doing cat /etc/mtab?
[15:18] <SuperMatt> that should expand all the options beyond just their defaults
[15:18] <SuperMatt> though I could be wrong
[15:18] <foobarry> rw,relatime,vers=4.0,rsize=1048576,wsize=1048576,namlen=255,hard,proto=tcp,port=0,timeo=600,retrans=2,sec=sys,clientaddr=<IP_ADDRESS>,local_lock=none,addr=<IP_ADDRESS> 0 0
[15:18] <foobarry> win 9
[15:19] <SuperMatt> I'm almost certain async is the default
[15:19] <SuperMatt> but you've moved on past that, obviously
[15:50] <diddledan> oh dear, that global-ish message doesn't sound fun
[15:51] <diddledan> "appears a hub went boom"!!
[15:55] <SuperMatt> they're pretty quick kon the notification there
[15:55] <SuperMatt> 10 minutes it's very good
[15:56] <diddledan> indeed. very good response for a volunteer effort
[15:57] <daftykins> wussat?
[15:58] <diddledan> daftykins, freenode is broke
[15:58] <diddledan> daftykins, someone lost a hub
[15:59] <daftykins> ah
[15:59]  * daftykins checks the status window
[15:59] <daftykins> there it is!
[16:01] <zmoylan-pi> they've been taken over by the peoples front of judea...
[16:01] <diddledan> the popular peoples front of judea**
[16:01] <diddledan> not to be confused with the peoples front of popular judea
[16:02] <zmoylan-pi> nah, they're just splitters...
[16:02] <diddledan> bignose!
[16:03] <zmoylan-pi> blessed are the cheesemakers...
[16:09] <zmoylan-pi>  /n


[15:47] <smartboyhw> mhall119, nice post. Salute for jose!
[15:47] <jose> did mhall post something?
[15:47] <smartboyhw> jose, yes, in Google+. I quickly reshared his post:)
[15:48] <smartboyhw> https://plus.google.com/109919666334513536939/posts/idnavoUjny5
[15:48] <jose> oh, thanks mhall119!
[15:59]  * popey hugs jose
[15:59]  * jose hugs popey back
[16:00] <jose> by the way, if anyone feels like supporting my LoCo Council application, testimonials can go at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/jose
[16:17] <mhall119> jose: :)
[18:15] <jose> jcastro: ping
[20:52] <bkerensa> I encourage folks to leave jose a testimonial for LoCo Council https://wiki.ubuntu.com/jose
[20:52] <jose> :)
[20:52] <jose> thanks, bkerensa


 I know how to do it but it's unfamiliar :)
[08:50] <duflu> You, seb128?
[08:50] <seb128> :-)
[08:50] <seb128> w.e was nice, we enjoyed the nice weather here, did a bbq yesterday
[09:02] <Laney> \o\
[09:02] <Laney> yeah we got some nice weather too
[09:02] <Laney> found some new lakes and went swimming there yesterday
[09:08] <seb128> sounds like a nice way to enjoy summer :-)
[09:23] <jamesh> I spent part of the weekend teaching myself a bit about GStreamer Editing Services in order to edit together a video of the talk I gave last week
[09:25] <duflu> jamesh, isn't that effectively editing video without a GUI?
[09:25] <duflu> You're keen
[09:27] <jamesh> duflu: yes.  I wanted to convert a BigBlueButton recording into a single video file, but it gives me a bunch of individual assets (camera, screenshare, slides) plus metadata to combine them in a browser
[09:27] <jamesh> so download the assets and use the metadata to produce an edit list
[09:28] <jamesh> turned out to be a lot easier than dealing with GStreamer directly
[10:03] <frederikf[m][m]> test
[10:04] <oerheks> :-)
[10:52] <Laney> HMM
[13:20] <KGB-1> gnome-shell tags c7b9118 Marco Trevisan upstream/3.36.4 * Upstream version 3.36.4 * https://deb.li/8rpc
[13:21] <KGB-1> gnome-shell upstream/3.36.x 9c8eae7 Marco Trevisan * pushed 39 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/372J2
[13:21] <KGB-1> gnome-shell upstream/3.36.x 2e8ade4 Florian Müllner js/ui/calendar.js * calendar: Do less work in hasEvents() * https://deb.li/enKi
[13:21] <KGB-1> gnome-shell upstream/3.36.x 9f87ffc Milan Crha (6 files in 4 dirs) * calendar-server: Improve performance by properly using ECalClientView * https://deb.li/3aFah
[13:21] <KGB-1> gnome-shell upstream/3.36.x fae7ba5 Robert Mader src/st/st-label.c * Revert "st-label: Keep labels fully pre-rendered on the GPU" * https://deb.li/rrxn
[13:22] <KGB-1> gnome-shell upstream/3.36.x 25a8f48 Florian Müllner js/ui/unlockDialog.js * unlockDialog: Fix scale-factor handling on multihead * https://deb.li/3fBm7
[13:22] <KGB-1> gnome-shell upstream/3.36.x 2226989 Daniel Șerbănescu po/ro.po * Update Romanian translation * https://deb.li/MbPU
[13:22] <KGB-1> gnome-shell pristine-tar d31754c Marco Trevisan (Treviño) gnome-shell_3.36.4.orig.tar.xz.delta gnome-shell_3.36.4.orig.tar.xz.id * pristine-tar data for gnome-shell_3.36.4.orig.tar.xz * https://deb.li/i4XuF
[14:01] <KGB-0> mutter signed tags 51e3a26 Marco Trevisan ubuntu/3.36.4-1ubuntu1 * mutter Debian release 3.36.4-1ubuntu1 * https://deb.li/3lFuC
[14:01] <KGB-0> mutter ubuntu/master 1c78031 Marco Trevisan * pushed 51 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/92mh
[14:01] <KGB-0> mutter ubuntu/master 9b349cb Jonas Ådahl src/wayland/ meta-wayland-legacy-xdg-shell.c meta-wayland-surface.c meta-wayland-surface.h meta-wayland-xdg-shell.c * wayland/shell: Apply geometry after subsurface state application * https://deb.li/3qAqy
[14:01] <KGB-0> mutter ubuntu/master 36a6235 Jonas Ådahl src/wayland/meta-wayland-xdg-shell.c * wayland/xdg-shell: Don't use xdg_surface private to get window geometry * https://deb.li/35bQc
[14:01] <KGB-0> mutter ubuntu/master 3a70ba7 Daniel van Vugt src/compositor/meta-shaped-texture.c * shaped-texture: Use the REPLACE combine function on opaque areas * https://deb.li/PbJ7
[14:02] <KGB-0> mutter ubuntu/master 86d9cd1 Olivier Fourdan src/backends/meta-remote-desktop-session.c * remote-desktop: Check for screencast only when required * https://deb.li/3Jnpd
[14:02] <KGB-0> mutter ubuntu/master ae8acc9 Robert Mader src/compositor/meta-surface-actor.c * surface-actor: Add culling offset for geometry scale - take 2 * https://deb.li/nBaF
[14:50] <xnox> Laney: seb128: Wimpress: ubuntu desktop daily in groovy is now 624M in size. about 20% of the whole iso. As there are now a lot more nvidia drivers available.
[14:50] <xnox> I don't know if we can or want to curate them.
[14:51] <xnox> there is now 390 418-server 435 440-server 450 450-server
[14:52] <seb128> tseliot_, ^
[14:52] <xnox> also for both amd64 & i386 userspace libs
[14:52] <xnox> i.e. libnvidia-compute-390
[14:52] <xnox> seb128:  i think the glob is wide in the desktop seed, and i don't know if we should be like excluding -server ones, or not.
[14:53] <seb128> I'm not really aware of the nvidia details so I will let Wimpress and tseliot_ reply on those
[14:53] <Laney> I support the advice to talk to Alberto
[14:53] <xnox> cool
[14:53] <seb128> or maybe Laney if he does have an opinion
[14:54] <xnox> yeah, i don't know details either, just noticed that we now have amd64 oversized marker
[14:58] <tseliot_> xnox, we prefer the non -server flavours by default in ubuntu-drivers. The -server flavours are recommended for -server workloads. We provide signed modules for all of them. We will probably get more -server drivers in the future
[15:01] <tseliot_> the -server drivers are "enterprise ready" drivers, and I would expect them to be used for CUDA workloads, etc.
[15:10] <Laney> tseliot_: I guess the question is if there's any reason to include those on the iso atm
[15:10] <tseliot_> Laney, seb128, xnox dropping the -server flavours from the desktop image should be fine. We can revisit in the future, if we change our mind.
[15:10] <Laney> ah
[15:10] <Laney> xnox: go for it then
[15:12] <Laney> callmepk: hey, is https://code.launchpad.net/~callmepk/livecd-rootfs/+git/livecd-rootfs/+merge/387300 supposed to be fixed for 20.04.1? if so, could you answer David's questions/concerns please?
[15:12] <Laney> I'm going to upload that package so I can include your stuff in there if so
[15:13] <Laney> oh man, that hyperv hacks file 🙈🙈🙈🙈🙈
[15:45] <Laney> xnox: do you have something to push for ubiquity <IP_ADDRESS>?
[16:25] <KGB-1> gnome-shell signed tags f27d13d Marco Trevisan ubuntu/3.36.4-1ubuntu1 * gnome-shell Debian release 3.36.4-1ubuntu1 * https://deb.li/DZq1
[16:25] <KGB-1> gnome-shell ubuntu/master 671fa1a Marco Trevisan * pushed 53 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/3RVwN
[16:25] <KGB-1> gnome-shell ubuntu/master d76c219 Florian Müllner js/ui/keyboard.js * keyboard: Request a bigger size in portrait orientation * https://deb.li/kAg0
[16:25] <KGB-1> gnome-shell ubuntu/master 12b31e6 Sebastian Keller js/ui/altTab.js * altTab: Remove down arrow when removing an app from switcher * https://deb.li/TJoV
[16:25] <KGB-1> gnome-shell ubuntu/master afb4057 MOZGIII js/ui/dateMenu.js * dateMenu: Do not ellipsize clock * https://deb.li/i3MEg
[16:26] <KGB-1> gnome-shell ubuntu/master 390431c Koki Fukuda subprojects/extensions-tool/src/command-create.c * extensions-tool: Escape '\' and '"' in json string * https://deb.li/Qciz
[16:26] <KGB-1> gnome-shell ubuntu/master 96699b9 Peter Simonyi js/ui/status/ brightness.js volume.js * status: Pass scroll events to volume and brightness sliders * https://deb.li/3HMcs
[19:07] <oSoMoN> ricotz, FYI: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1651330
[19:08] <oSoMoN> I plan on testing this with beta builds tomorrow
[19:18] <ricotz> oSoMoN, hey, thank you
[21:56] <xnox> Laney: let me check.
[21:57] <xnox> Laney: pushed, with tag


[00:07] <koell> wow :D
[00:08] <koell> u may ask Unit193 :)
[00:08] <koell> if he is on, or where is philw?
[00:09] <Unit193> logis: Tried configuring Xorg?
[00:09] <Unit193> !xorgconf
[00:12] <logis> i already try that on teletype 1/tty1 => stop lightdm and execute X -configure
[00:12] <logis> but error missing (if i can recall corectly those error message)
[00:13] <logis> i think the error like this KMS drm modesetting not suported
[00:13] <logis> i boot with parameter radeon.modeset = 0
[00:14] <logis> coz without those params it freeze
[00:37] <LarrySteeze> hello folks!
[00:37] <ianorlinlaptop> hi can I help?
[00:38] <LarrySteeze> So I just upgraded my in-laws PC to 14, and unfortunately it now boots to a black screen with a cursor that moves. I'm able to switch to console mode and everything works except the gui
[00:38] <LarrySteeze> thoughts?
[00:38] <ianorlinlaptop> what kind of graphics does it have?
[00:38] <LarrySteeze> graphics card, you mean?
[00:38] <ianorlinlaptop> yes
[00:39] <LarrySteeze> It shouldn't be an issue with the card, as the display works just fine. That being said, it's an integrated intel gpu
[00:39] <LarrySteeze> I'm also not getting any failures at boot
[00:39] <LarrySteeze> Everything shows success, it just doesn't appear to "finish" booting the gui
[00:40] <ianorlinlaptop> did it work in live session or did you use alt installer
[00:40] <LarrySteeze> I used the alt installer
[00:41] <LarrySteeze> I actually installed the update from console
[00:41] <LarrySteeze> They were running 12
[00:42] <LarrySteeze> I didn't have the ability when I was at their place, but I think I'm going to download the distro onto a stick and bring it over tomorrow.
[00:47] <koell> ianorlin: <3
[00:48] <koell> all the cool guys like ianorlin still here <3
[00:49] <LarrySteeze> ianorlin: you heard of that problem with anyone before?
[00:49] <koell> im so sorry for trying arch and other distros, but now im back to 14.04 first LTS and i must say: AWESOME!
[00:57] <ianorlin> LarrySteeze: Have you tried starting lightdm?
[00:57] <ianorlin> also see !nomodeset
[00:57] <ianorlin> !nomodeset
[00:57] <LarrySteeze> I did. I stopped it then started it
[00:57] <ianorlin> still no display?
[00:58] <ianorlin> is there anything in ~/Xsessionerrors
[00:58] <LarrySteeze> There is a display, just not a fully functional gui. It's like it only partially loads. I have a black background and a cursor. Also, the software center does load wanting me to update one of their applications
[00:59] <LarrySteeze> there is nothing in the sessionerrors
[01:00] <ianorlin> does right clicking do anything?
[01:00] <LarrySteeze> Come to think of it, I don't know if I tried to right click. I feel like I did and didn't have any reaction, but I can't say for sure.
[01:01] <LarrySteeze> Clicking on the window that does pop up is responsive. I did attempt to update the software, but then the software center does not actually load
[01:01] <LarrySteeze> I probably should have known better than to update my in-laws machine. I'm just trying to get them to stop using XP
[01:02] <ianorlin> I think you may have logged into openbox
[01:02] <ianorlin> or it automatically did
[01:02] <LarrySteeze> I can't think of any reason that it would have
[01:04] <LarrySteeze> What's strange to me is even after stopping lightdm and installing kde, I can't get kde to start because it can't find x (x is obviously installed), and startx hangs
[01:06] <ianorlin> how did you install kde kubuntu-desktop?
[01:08] <LarrySteeze> you're right
[01:08] <LarrySteeze> that's where I screwed up
[01:08] <ianorlin> from command line?
[01:09] <LarrySteeze> yes. I forgot I had them on ubuntu...even though I knew it was lubuntu
[01:10] <ianorlin> what does /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf have as its contents?
[01:10] <LarrySteeze> I did it as if I was in arch
[01:10] <LarrySteeze> I'm not at their house at the moment, so unfortunately I can't tell you that right now
[01:10] <LarrySteeze> (it's a desktop)
[01:11] <ianorlin> where you in expert mode andd not connected to the internet or sometihng?
[01:11] <LarrySteeze> I'm making a bootable usb drive at the moment and hoping that solves it.
[01:11] <LarrySteeze> I was connected to the internet. I used apt-get
[01:11] <ianorlin> during the install or after?
[01:11] <LarrySteeze> both
[01:13] <ianorlin> running more than one package manager at a time is bad and is locked most of the time
[01:13] <LarrySteeze> eh?
[01:13] <LarrySteeze> I only used apt-get
[01:14] <ianorlin> still command line package manager I am suprised it was not locked
[01:14] <LarrySteeze> I did add some repos but that's about it. I did not attempt to use software center simultaneously. I only tried to use that after the fact when nothing else was working.
[01:14] <LarrySteeze> I sudo'ed it if that's what you mean
[01:14] <ianorlin> oh might be taking during install wrong
[01:15] <LarrySteeze> What do you mean by that
[01:16] <ianorlin> I am thinking during install meaning while the os was installing you switched to a terminal and then went and sudo apt-get installed kubuntu-desktop
[01:16] <LarrySteeze> no
[01:17] <LarrySteeze> I waited until the install was complete before doing anything. Anyway, if it was in the middle of an install and I switched to console (I did not open a terminal window), I would have seen the commands streaming and would have had to ctrl+c to break
[01:17] <LarrySteeze> And that would have been a very poor decision.
[01:19] <UrielVigilant> Iam sad, because this http://paste.ubuntu.com/7280245/ dont work with 14.04 as still work with 13.10 , lubuntu and ubuntu ? why ? please give me a slution that i cant find no where in the internet !
[01:20] <LarrySteeze> slut ion?
[01:20] <LarrySteeze> :D
[01:21] <UrielVigilant> ;o)
[01:23] <UrielVigilant> almost woman vagabond does  nit ?
[01:26] <SonikkuAmerica> UrielVigilant: For BCM4311 cards you should use the b43 driver
[01:27] <UrielVigilant> My lucky is that i just trying this on a usb stick live persistent ! I still using 13.10 on hard disk! But with a so revolutionary version this things must stop happens doesn it ? When i get the Euromillions prize, i will pay for a team to work on this , believe me !
[01:27] <SonikkuAmerica> lol
[01:28] <SonikkuAmerica> We *have* a solution: http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/b43
[01:28] <UrielVigilant> SonikkuAmerica , please tell me what it was the difference, betwweeen, before and with this version ?
[01:30] <SonikkuAmerica> The package you should install, instead of linux-firmware-nonfree, is firmware-b43-installer
[01:30] <UrielVigilant> SonikkuAmerica , that s it will be a new way to install this bmc stuff ?
[01:31] <UrielVigilant> ok my friend ...
[01:31] <UrielVigilant> i need to remove the old one ? how to , in console ?
[01:32] <UrielVigilant> sudo apt-get remove --purge bcmwl-kernel-source  ? ?
[01:34] <SonikkuAmerica> Or just [ sudo apt-get purge bcmwl-kernel-source ]
[01:34] <Guest88923> i have a pae computer and waited for 14.04.  However i am getting an error still.  i could use some guidance
[01:35] <UrielVigilant> Thank you so much,, SonikkuAmerica, i will ty once again
[01:35] <UrielVigilant> ( ty = TRy) ;o)
[01:56] <UrielVigilant>  Sonikku you help doesn it work at all ! See the rsult alive : http://paste.ubuntu.com/7280359/
[02:03] <logis> still no luck with my problem...
[02:10] <Guest88923> I am getting an error.  the error is http://pastebin.com/Xp3qTjvE
[02:12] <Guest88923> any help would be appreciated
[02:13] <holstein> Guest88923: your hardware doesnt support the kernel you are trying to use
[02:13] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu-fake-PAE
[02:16] <Unismurfhedgehog> Guest88923: You'll first need to install Lubuntu 12.04, then install the linux-image-generic-pae package, then run [ do-release-upgrade -cd ] to check if 14.04 shows up.
[02:17] <Unismurfhedgehog> (But you may want to try upgrading to 12.10 first, because 12.04 isn't an LTS)
[02:18] <holstein> you should be able to do it in 14.04
[02:18] <Unismurfhedgehog> Guest88923: Or, on the Live image, you can hit TAB and add "forcepae" to the end of the line. This isn't supported, though.
[02:18] <holstein> 12.04 should "just work.. but, 12.04 is not supported
[02:18] <Guest88923> it's a system that has no os
[02:19] <Guest88923> can't do it in 14.04 unless i forcepae correct
[02:19] <Guest88923> isn't supported as in it will have problems?
[02:19] <holstein> Guest88923: fakepae should help
[02:19] <holstein> Guest88923: no.. you just need to have the right combination
[02:19] <holstein> Guest88923: the kernels are all pae now
[02:20] <Guest88923> isn't 14.04 the first "supported" version?
[02:20] <Guest88923> what am i missing?
[02:20] <ianorlin> first long term support version
[02:20] <Guest88923> so, 12.04 first, then 12.10, then 14.04
[02:20] <Guest88923> so, 12.10 was not a lts?
[02:21] <Guest88923> isn't lts the only supported version?
[02:21] <Unismurfhedgehog> Guest88923: You missed what I said earlier, you can press TAB when the Live image boot screen shows up, type a space followed by "forcepae" and hit ENTER.
[02:21] <Unismurfhedgehog> (14.04 LTS' Live image)
[02:21] <Guest88923> i've got the alterantive version
[02:21] <holstein> lubuntu 12.04 is not LTS
[02:22] <holstein> ubuntu 12.04 was, so the repos are hot
[02:22] <Guest88923> so i need to download the live version
[02:22] <holstein> ^^ that is just in the normal 14.04 installer
[02:22] <holstein> the "Forcepae" option suggested above, and in the error message you recieved
[02:22] <Guest88923> repos are hot?  what does that mean?
[02:23] <Guest88923> isn't there a way to pass forcepae at the command line?
[02:23] <Guest88923> via modes
[02:23] <Guest88923> or via other options
[02:24] <Guest88923> on 14.04?
[02:25] <holstein> Guest88923: yes
[02:25] <holstein> Guest88923: you do it like Unismurfhedgehog and the error message suggests
[02:26] <holstein> Guest88923: you boot the normal 14.04 you have, and "you can press TAB when the Live image boot screen shows up, type a space  followed by "forcepae" and hit ENTER.
[02:26] <Guest88923> k, i c
[02:26] <Guest88923> got it
[02:26] <holstein> Guest88923: please try that first
[02:27] <holstein> then, you can refer to the fakepae link i gave, if that doesnt work.. or consider 12.04, which is *not* officially supported anymore, though, ubuntu 12.04 is still supported, sot he repos are still active (=hot)
[02:27] <Guest88923> ok, but didn't the error message say pae not enabled?
[02:27] <holstein> Guest88923: so, try enabling the "forcepae" option. . .have you?
[02:30] <Guest88923> i have and am working on the install
[02:52] <Guest88923> what is pae
[02:52] <SonikkuAmerica> !PAE
[02:52] <SonikkuAmerica> Errr...
[02:52] <SonikkuAmerica> Physical Address Extension lets one address more than 4 GB of RAM
[02:53] <Guest88923> ya, nm
[02:53] <SonikkuAmerica> in fact, up to 64 GB of RAM
[02:53] <Guest88923> so, it allowed me to create a16gb a 40gb and a 2gb swap partition in a 40gb space  confusing
[03:04] <Guest88923> what is the smallest size lubuntu will take for a vanilla install?
[03:05] <holstein> Guest88923: depends
[03:06] <holstein> Guest88923: theres not much smaller, stock OS's that are "Full featured"
[03:06] <holstein> there are lighter, but not much lighter, and i personally find it to be a nice balance
[03:06] <holstein> you can trim it up as much as you like. or
[03:06] <holstein> !mini
[03:06] <holstein> and add just what you want
[03:07] <Guest88923> actually it's for a new linux user, however i only have 40gb to work with
[03:07] <holstein> wont make your machine faster though.. taking up less space on the disk
[03:08] <Guest88923> what's the base size for a vanilla install.  is that information available on the web?
[03:08] <SonikkuAmerica> What will is zram
[03:09] <holstein> !zram
[03:10] <holstein> Guest88923: i thought you were installing it?
[03:10] <Guest88923> i am
[03:10] <holstein> Guest88923: just check when you are done
[03:11] <Guest88923> i think you misunderstand the question.  if i pick 1gb for the / partition but the base install is 3gb, it's not going to fit
[03:11] <holstein> Guest88923: you said new linux user?
[03:11] <holstein> Guest88923: just do it all in one partition
[03:11] <holstein> Guest88923: do the defaults
[03:11] <Guest88923> i don't.  if it is necessary to rescue the system, having the home partition by itself lends itself to data recovery
[03:11] <holstein> Guest88923: ok
[03:11] <holstein> Guest88923: i would want 5gb's
[03:12] <holstein> Guest88923: i would put them all in one partition
[03:12] <holstein> Guest88923: having seperate patitions on the same disk doesnt really do as much as one thinks
[03:12] <holstein> its not like the new user can get lazt and somehow recover files off the disk any easier if it fails and had 2 partitions instead of one
[03:13] <holstein> there is literally the only advantage of seperate home for personal data if they were going to hop around.. which is fine
[03:13] <holstein> but, for a new user, i would do all in one, since you dont know what they want, or will do
[03:13] <Guest88923> having a home partition allows me to maintain configuration and install the new version of lubuntu " clean"
[03:14] <Guest88923> they will use it like windows
[03:14] <holstein> you do all but 4gb's or 5 for the /home, and they go with a larger linux, and you are mess up
[03:14] <holstein> its not fool proof, and the defualts of one partitions are suggested for new users
[03:14] <holstein> i mean, do what you like, and i would want 5gb's
[03:22] <Guest88923> i just used the entire disk.  lubuntu partition manager would not break up the disk correctly
[04:02] <Guest88923> installation complete.  same problem as laptop A.  no network
[04:02] <Guest88923> no wireless
[04:02] <holstein> Guest88923: sure
[04:02] <holstein> !wifi
[04:03] <holstein> Guest88923: it can be challenging when the chips dont support linux
[04:03] <Guest88923> seen it last night
[04:03] <holstein> Guest88923: ive seen it for years.. some manufactuerers make it challenging
[04:03] <Guest88923> Intel Corporation PRO Wireless 2200BG [Calexioc2] Network Connection (rev05)
[04:03] <Guest88923> it's not that
[04:03] <holstein> Guest88923: oh?
[04:03] <Guest88923> this is Ahmuck
[04:04] <Guest88923> same issue, different laptop, no network
[04:04] <holstein> Guest88923: i mistook that for a support question... appologies
[04:04] <holstein> at least you know what it is
[04:05] <Guest88923> during install i selected "do not configure network at this time".  could it be after the install and reboot lubuntu is no longer making an effort to autoconfigure network devices as in prior versions?
[04:05] <Guest88923> it is a support question.  need to find a way to enale wireless
[04:05] <holstein> Guest88923: wasnt in my case
[04:05] <holstein> Guest88923: ok.. then conisder the link above
[04:06] <Guest88923> did you select a network interface during install
[04:06] <holstein> Guest88923: did it work from the live CD?
[04:06] <Guest88923> going to google for a solution for this headache
[04:06] <holstein> Guest88923: no i did not.. i *never* connect during installation
[04:06] <Guest88923> don't know, will have to download yet another version to see, this time 12.04
[04:06] <holstein> Guest88923: sure, friend, but, it "just works' for me, and many others
[04:06] <holstein> Guest88923: 12.04 is supported, and i would just use it rather than fight for weeks about wifi
[04:06] <Guest88923> guess i'm special as always :)
[04:06] <holstein> 12.04 lubuntu isnt supported
[04:06] <holstein> but, the 12.04 repos are hott
[04:07] <Guest88923> i've now got three computes that won't connect via network interfaces.
[04:07] <holstein> Guest88923: i dont have any that *wont* connect
[04:07] <holstein> Guest88923: are you sure its not your access point?
[04:08] <holstein> Guest88923: do you have another router to test with?
[04:08] <holstein> Guest88923: make sure you have up to date firmware, and something without wpa or encryption.. an open one to test with
[04:08] <Guest88923> dudet, i know it's not my access point.  we covered this last evening by dropping back a version with a live cd to test the connection as well as the access point
[04:08] <Guest88923> yes, i've checked the firmware
[04:09] <Guest88923> and yes, it works fine in windows
[04:09] <holstein> Guest88923: i dont know you, friend
[04:09] <holstein> Guest88923: if you are referencing something we have done in the past, i work with many people
[04:09] <Guest88923> u do form some time ago, but that's ok
[04:09] <Guest88923> form/from
[04:09] <holstein> Guest88923: i appologize for not recalling
[04:10] <Guest88923> don't, i'm not offended
[04:10] <Guest88923> anyway i must go and search
[04:10] <holstein> uyeah?
[04:10] <Guest88923> !bugs
[04:10] <holstein> just load up 12.04..
[04:13] <Guest88923> i've got bugs bugging me for a while, better to begin filing my backlog of bugs
[04:13] <Guest88923> whatever happened to leafbuntu?
[05:07] <Guest88923> how do i tell if i am soft or hard blocked on the wlan?
[05:07] <Guest88923> what command do i need?
[09:41] <chulis> I have the system in spanish but but the clock calendar appears in portugue ¿how can i put in spanish as well?
[09:59] <lubuntu123> ** (pcmanfm:2526): WARNING **: modules directory is not accessible own, consider report it to LibFM developers
[10:00] <lubuntu123> why do i get that?
[10:01] <Lost> does each version of lubuntu have it's own repositories list?
[10:01] <lubuntu123> i have lubuntu 14.04
[11:30] <micky> Hi! Is there no checksum für the Lubuntu Minimal Installer, which can be downloaded here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall#Downloading
[11:34] <gsthero> guys i have added some ttf fonts to folder /usr/share/fonts/truetype
[11:34] <gsthero> but after sudo fc-cache -f -v , and reboot  those fonts are still hidden  , why
[11:41] <gsthero> any1 aawake
[11:47] <gsthero> home/gsthero/.fonts/sinfontpack: caching, new cache contents: 0 fonts, 0 dirs
[13:40] <ichat> hi i found a 'translation error,  seen in this image.. http://nl.tinypic.com/r/33p6az6/8  ...
[13:41] <ichat> how or where should i file a better translation.. as this looks like:   this is a really long translation that no-one realy wants, and actually should have be a caption but isn't so your screen is now fucked up...
[13:43] <ichat> the correct and better translation btw should have been: "hoofdletters in bestandsnamen negeren"
[14:21] <arianit> how do I update to 14.04, it's not showing with dist-upgrade
[14:37] <Ahmuck> okie dokie, let's get started
[14:37] <Ahmuck> first, http://www.webupd8.org/2014/04/fix-lubuntu-1404-network-manager.html
[14:46] <ichat> how do i remove firefox from my lubuntu system without apt also trying to remove lubuntu-desktop
[14:47] <Mikaela> ichat: lubuntu-desktop is just meta package and can be safely removed. Removing it doesn't affect anything.
[14:48] <ichat> Mikaela:  tnx
[14:49] <Ahmuck> sudo aptitude purge firefox
[14:52] <Mikaela> remove should be enough.
[14:52] <Mikaela> I'm not sure what purge does at the moment.
[14:53] <Mikaela> Oh, I see. It also removes config files.
[14:58] <Ahmuck> Next - http://askubuntu.com/questions/450631/wifi-not-working-in-ubuntu-14-04-lts/450682#450682
[14:58] <Ahmuck> oddly nuff network problem issues were posted to askubuntu during 14.04 beta stage of lubuntu but were "disqualified" because it was beta and considered a bug and not a question
[14:59] <Mikaela> I believe there is bug report about that somewhere.
[14:59] <Mikaela> https://launchpad.net/bugs/1308348
[15:05] <Ahmuck> http://askubuntu.com/questions/449389/wifi-not-working-on-ubuntu-14-04-macmini?rq=1
[16:08] <Soul-Sing> is ubuntuforums down?
[16:08] <Ahmuck> http://www.itworld.com/slideshow/144133/pants-fire-9-lies-programmers-tell-themselves-409476#slide7
[16:10] <holstein> Soul-Sing: http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ubuntuforums.org
[17:19] <Ahmuck> for a time it was impossible to purge gnumeric and then have the menu option to fall off the menu
[17:19] <Ahmuck> it appears this has been fixed, however now it seems the same applies to gnome-mplayer
[17:20] <Ahmuck> purging gnome-mplayer does not cause the icon to fall of the menu
[17:28] <NightTrojan> love lubuntu!
[17:28] <ianorlin> do you have a desktop file for it in your home folder Ahmuck ?
[17:29] <ianorlin> sorry .desktop
[17:30] <NightTrojan> anyone got the latest lubuntu?
[17:36] <Ahmuck> ianorlin: where would that be?  in my home folder?
[17:36] <Ahmuck>  /home/user/gnome-mplayer?
[17:38] <Ahmuck> !bugs
[17:49] <xMopxShell> hey, I just installed lubuntu. I have two monitors connected though a gtx 560 Ti, how do I tell it to extend my desktop instead of mirroring?
[17:49] <xMopxShell> i also have a 3rd connected though a 9400GS, that is completely undetected...
[17:53] <ianorlin> the easiest way is to install arandr
[17:54] <ianorlin> lxrandr which is already install only does mirroring
[17:54] <xMopxShell> alright, ill give that a try
[17:56] <xMopxShell> would i need to uninstall lxrandr, ianorlin?
[17:56] <xMopxShell> ah seems not.
[17:56] <xMopxShell> cool. thanks :D
[17:57] <xMopxShell> what should i do for the 3rd screen?
[17:57] <xMopxShell> it shows up in lspci, so i suppose i need a driver
[18:21] <ianorlin> I am not sure about third screen
[18:24] <xMopxShell> i think i would just need to find the right dirver
[18:24] <xMopxShell> for a 9000 series nvidia card
[18:39] <Ahmuck> i need to re-compile my kernel to get my wireless back.  how?
[19:13] <Ahmuck> has anyone done a code review of the current network software in the kernel and/or ubuntu?
[19:14] <Ahmuck> i've located some of the problem.  there's been a change in the way the panel handles icons, notifications, etc.  often the panel duplicates what is already there.
[19:14] <Ahmuck> the old network panel icon shows only the hard wired connection via the "network" panel item
[19:15] <Ahmuck> however if you add the "network manager" item you can see both the wired and the wireless network connections
[19:15] <Ahmuck> however i'm still unable to connect via wireless though it does request a password
[19:17] <Ahmuck> the snowden expose has really made me re-think the timeline of ubuntu, awkward non-functional hardware and changes that get made during upgrade transitions
[19:23] <Ahmuck> http://imagebin.org/306525
[19:24] <Ahmuck> there is the image of the duplicate icons in the panel bar that i've been informed doesn't exist
[19:24] <Ahmuck> two power icons, three network icons, and often two keyboard/language icons
[19:25] <Ahmuck> is the panel bar in lubuntu tied together correctly with Ubuntu panel icons?
[19:25] <Ahmuck> bbl
[20:09] <holstein> Ahmuck: you shouldnt need to re-complie your kernel, nor should you have needed to compile your kernel in ther first place
[20:09] <chulis> is it possible to install lubuntu in a laptop without cd-dvd and no usb?
[20:09] <Ahmuck> holstein: i found the driver for the wireless chipset
[20:09] <holstein> Ahmuck: i would try with another access point, a test access point with no encryption
[20:09] <holstein> Ahmuck: the driver is in the kernel
[20:10] <Ahmuck> i also added network manager to the panel bar and then had an option to select a wlan
[20:10] <holstein> chulis: yes
[20:10] <xMopxShell> chulis: no usb?
[20:10] <Ahmuck> and then had the option to input the password
[20:10] <chulis> no usb
[20:10] <xMopxShell> what kind of laptop?
[20:10] <Ahmuck> etc. etc.  still not working at the moment
[20:10] <Ahmuck> and yes, the panel bar is borked
[20:10] <xMopxShell> something old?
[20:10] <chulis> acer laptop 11"
[20:10] <holstein> chulis: you can take the drive to another machine, and install.. you can use a netboot.. you can boot *something* like sd card as a usb
[20:11] <chulis> has usb but i dont have usb
[20:11] <holstein> chulis: all acer's i have boot usb
[20:11] <holstein> !pxe
[20:12] <chulis> boot with sd card?
[20:12] <holstein> chulis: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/Netboot
[20:12] <holstein> chulis: correct.. instead of a USB, boot an sd card. you'll need to boot something
[20:13] <holstein> chulis: i would get a USB stick and dd copy the iso and install.. it'll take about 6 minutes
[20:13] <holstein> chulis: otherwise, start reading about network installations
[20:13] <chulis> ok i read
[20:13] <holstein> or, if you have an SD card, just dd copy the iso to it, and boot it like it is the usb stick installation media, or try
[20:14] <chulis> i only have an usb but only 128 mb
[20:14] <holstein> !mini | chulis
[20:14] <holstein> then, you add what you like to it.. lubuntu-desktop or whatever
[20:17] <holstein> i would want to use the small mini iso on the small 128mb stick and install. .then use the wired LAN on the acer to add packages.. "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop"
[20:17] <chulis> so i have to get a lubuntu mini.iso and copy in a usb with only 128mb and rest down from internet
[20:18] <nosmelc> I'm trying to mount a Windows file share.  It works if I just edit fstab, but I want to make it work with my log in user name and password by using libpam_mount.  Any ideas what's wrong?  I used the MountWindowsSharesPermanently guide
[20:18] <holstein> chulis: you dont "have to" do anything, friend
[20:18] <chulis> ok
[20:18] <holstein> chulis: the mini iso is just that.. its not lubuntu. its just mini ubuntu
[20:18] <holstein> chulis: you add waht you like to it afterwards
[20:19] <chulis> so i can install lubuntu after
[20:19] <holstein> chulis: the stick should hold that iso, which is around 30mb's
[20:19] <holstein> chulis: thats what im suggesting. except you can install *anything* you choose afterwards
[20:19] <holstein> not just lubuntu
[20:19] <holstein> chulis: its *all* ubuntu.. same repos
[20:20] <chulis> and how many mb for intalling lubuntu from internet?
[20:20] <holstein> the mini gives you a minimal base that is small and easy/fast to download and use on smaller usb sticks.. then, you can download what you like from the repositories.. which the command i gave above would update and install lubuntu-desktop
[20:20] <chulis> by network
[20:20] <holstein> chulis: i havent dont it, friend
[20:20] <holstein> chulis: but, it'll workk for you
[20:20] <holstein> chulis: it'll be a lot
[20:21] <holstein> chulis: around a gigabyte.. one way or the other, your going to download lubuntu
[20:21] <chulis> i want to install a complete lubuntu like a cd live
[20:21] <holstein> chulis: its all about the same in the end. its just that with the mini, you get to easily do this and use the tools you have
[20:21] <holstein> chulis: sure
[20:21] <chulis> ok
[20:21] <holstein> chulis: i am, and have been explaining and voluteering how i suggest you get a "complete" lubuntu with the tools you have at hand
[20:22] <holstein> chulis: you use the mini iso .. the *official* ubuntu min iso
[20:22] <holstein> chulis: put that on your small stick and install the minimal environment.. then, boot that minimal text-only environment, and use the commands i gave
[20:23] <holstein> chulis: sudo apt-get update , to update the cache.. sudo apt-get dist-upgrade , to update the minimal environment.. sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop , to install what you are asking for
[20:23] <holstein> chulis: the complete lubuntu desktop like the live CD you are saying you are unwiling to use
[20:24] <holstein> nosmelc: i used that guide as well.. you want to make the share do what exactly?
[20:25] <holstein> nosmelc: i just added to fstab, and when i login, its there
[20:25] <holstein> nosmelc: you want to limit access by other users?
[20:25] <nosmelc> holstein: fstab works for me too, but I don't want to have to put the windows user name and password into fstab
[20:26] <holstein> nosmelc: you can always just mount it on the go
[20:26] <holstein> nosmelc: i didnt add any passwords to fstab
[20:26] <nosmelc> holstein: your Windows share isn't password protected?
[20:26] <holstein> nosmelc: i dont have any windows anymore
[20:27] <holstein> nosmelc: but, you can always just use something like gigolo on the fly
[20:27] <nosmelc> holstein: yeah.  That's what I need to learn how to do.  I want to connect a Lubuntu machine to a file share on a Win7 machine
[20:27] <holstein> nosmelc: id say, you can ask in the larger #ubuntu community and see how folks deal with that
[20:27] <holstein> !samba
[20:27] <holstein> nosmelc: shouldnt have to add a samba share to fstab like that
[20:28] <holstein> nosmelc: well, gigolo will allow you to easily connect.. but, you may want something persistent
[20:29] <nosmelc> holstein: yeah it needs to connect after every reboot.  It'll be for someone else's computer
[20:29] <holstein> nosmelc: see what the samba community, or the main #ubuntu community says
[20:29] <nosmelc> holstein: ok.  thanks :)
[20:29] <holstein> its not lubuntu or lxde specific, so, no need to limit your question to here
[20:30] <holstein> nosmelc: i read gigolo has an "autoconnect" feature
[20:30] <holstein> nosmelc: i havent used that part of it, but i really like gigolo, and suggest giving it a go
[20:30] <holstein> !info gigolo
[20:31] <holstein> "Gigolo is an SMB broswer with an 'autoconnect' option when you bookmark a share. Click on the icon to install gigolo Install gigolo (or apt-get install gigolo) and it's pretty easy from there."
[20:31] <holstein> from http://askubuntu.com/questions/15312/simple-way-to-consistently-access-a-smb-mount
[22:11] <wxl> gr trusty killed my audio
[22:16] <wxl> i have no pulse
[22:16] <wxl> nothing is muted in alsamixer
[22:17] <wxl> aplay, play, mplayer all appear to be working fine
[22:17] <wxl> i'm in the audio group (might be bad for another user but i'm the only user so who cares)
[22:19] <holstein> wxl: i chose to install pulse into lubuntu 14.04
[22:19] <wxl> holstein: *barf*
[22:19] <holstein> it seemed to make the hdmi support work
[22:19] <holstein> wxl: if you want it, you'll have to install it
[22:19] <wxl> holstein: that's downright depressing :(
[22:19] <holstein> but, thats likely why you dont have it
[22:20] <holstein> you have output from "aplay -l" ?
[22:20] <wxl> installed pulseaudio and no change
[22:20] <wxl> so nevermind that idea
[22:22] <wxl> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7287280/
[22:22] <holstein> wxl: you'll need it if you want it
[22:22] <holstein> wxl: thats why you have no pulse.. its not installed
[22:23] <wxl> holstein: i repeat i installed pulse and no change
[22:23] <wxl> i don't want pulse anyways
[22:23] <holstein> wxl: you said you had no pulse.. thats why, is all
[22:23] <holstein> wxl: i literaly dont care if you use it or not
[22:23] <holstein> i have issues with and without is, as your case just demonstrated
[22:23] <wxl> holstein: i haven't had pulse since i started using lubuntu and haven't had a need to use it including on this computer
[22:23] <Unit193> I disabled pulse because it was causing so many problems, fixed now that it's disabled.
[22:24] <wxl> holstein: also (and i repeat for the third time) i installed pulseaudio just now and it did not help anything
[22:24] <holstein> wxl: sure.. i was just offering since you said "i have no pulse".. thats why.. its not installed
[22:24] <holstein> wxl: i didnt suggest is as a fix
[22:24] <wxl> holstein: you're missing the problem. i was saying "i have no pulse" because pulse is often the problem. i was walking through troubleshooting steps
[22:24] <holstein> wxl: ok
[22:24] <holstein> wxl: its not a problem
[22:25] <holstein> wxl: do what you like
[22:25] <holstein> wxl: you see the card in aplay -l ?
[22:25] <wxl> holstein: see paste above ↑
[22:25] <Unit193> wxl: Did you check the arch troubleshooting page on Alsa?
[22:25] <wxl> Unit193: link me
[22:25] <holstein> wxl: i think im just going to bail
[22:26] <wxl> snd_hda_intel anything to worry about?
[22:26] <holstein> wxl: if i have time after the show, i'll check in again
[22:26] <Unit193> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Advanced_Linux_Sound_Architecture#Troubleshooting
[22:28] <wxl> thought timidity might be the issue but no
[22:31] <wxl> not seeing anything obvious at a quick glance
[22:31] <wxl> card is http://paste.ubuntu.com/7287280/
[22:31] <wxl> oops
[22:31] <wxl> not that
[22:31] <wxl> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04)
[23:00] <Sk1d> ok now I am having network problms where do I choose my wlan in the new 14.04? I am missing the correct wlan symbol on the bottom left.
[23:00] <Sk1d> *bottom right
[23:04] <Sk1d> ok figured out that I had to add the panel entry network configuration


[17:48] <StudioUser82> Hey, so I
[17:49] <StudioUser82> Hey, so I'm on Ubuntu 23.10. I notice my Wacom tablet doesn't work because of a bug in Gnome 45. Is this issue fixed on Studio and will I have to transition to KDE to get it fixed?
[17:50] <StudioUser82> Also, I notice my Egato CAMLINK doesn't work, which I think may be related to a bug in Kernel 6.5
[17:51] <StudioUser82> In the l4v2 modules
[17:52] <StudioUser82> And there are no tools for Pipewire present, like qJackctl to plug audio around for apps to input/output, making it tough to control OBS
[17:53] <StudioUser82> Does Studio get this stuff right?
[17:54] <Eickmeyer> StudioUser82: So, the stuff that you're mentioning (Wacom tablet, Elgato CAMLINK, etc) are 100% upstream isssues. As far as PipeWire goes, that's something we really work on. There is however a bug regarding setting sample rate and buffer size that should be resolved in a week.
[17:55] <Eickmeyer> StudioUser82: The Wacom issue is related to the desktop environment in particular.
[17:56] <Eickmeyer> StudioUser82: You're welcome to download and try it in the live session to find out if it will work for your needs. However, we're not competing with other flavors of Ubuntu as that's against our ethos.
[17:59] <StudioUser82> Fair enough. I had Ubuntu 20.04 Studio working with all this stuff. Went for an upgrade and everything broke. I just want to get back to work. sob lol
[18:00] <Eickmeyer> StudioUser82: If you had read the notes for every subsequent release of Ubuntu Studio after 20.04, in-place upgrades weren't supported due to the change in desktop environment.  Backed down to 22.04. Went to PopOS because people said it awesome. No, more trouble than it was worth. I mean, I've tried. I've honestly tried!
[18:02] <Eickmeyer> StudioUser82: Understandable. 23.10 is where the good PipeWire stuff is, but there's no need to run qjackctl with it. The jack compatibility runs by default.
[18:05] <StudioUser82> I really just wanted a plug tool. Carla would have done the job too. It just doesn't ship with any of that stuff. Or pipewire-pulseaudio. Obviously, I want pipewire to work I just found it broken (not useful) on install.
[18:06] <Eickmeyer> Ubuntu Studio ships with Carla by default.
[18:06] <StudioUser82> thumbs up
[18:08] <Eickmeyer> Ubuntu Desktop (GNOME) does not have pipewire-jack enabled. Ubuntu Studio does. Ubuntu Desktop *can* if one installs ubuntustudio-pipewire-config, but not many people know that. That's why this exists:
[18:09] <Eickmeyer> !ubuntustudio-installer
[18:11] <StudioUser82> I know about Ubuntu studio installer and that's how I had studio running with 20.04. It all worked for years. And I got my work done. It was just getting old and crusty. I'd gladly back down to Kernel 5 if my Elgato CAMLINK worked. Not wedded to Kernel 6. Question: you've moved to pipewire, is the real time kernel still necessary?
[18:12] <Eickmeyer> StudioUser82: Real time kernel was *never* necessary. We have a lowlatency kernel by default.
[18:12] <Eickmeyer> Sorry, it was necessary prior to Linux 2.6
[18:12] <StudioUser82> OK. The lowlatency kernel.
[18:12] <Eickmeyer> Still recommended.
[18:12] <StudioUser82> Fair enough. Thank you.
[18:18] <Eickmeyer> yw
[18:25] <StudioUser82> Wait, one last question. If I do run KDE as packed by Studio, will my Wacom tablet work again?
[18:27] <Eickmeyer> StudioUser82: It should, but I don't have a Wacom tablet to test against. My art lead isn't here to attest, but she'd know better than I would. I haven't heard any complaints from either Kubuntu (which uses the exact same packages) or Ubuntu Studio users.
[18:31] <StudioUser82> I prefer gnome, but frankly, I'd switch to fvwm if that fixed my tablet. lol
[18:31] <Eickmeyer> StudioUser82: One of the reasons we went with KDE Plasma 3 years ago was due to the exceptional Wacom tablet support.
[18:34] <StudioUser82> OK. Can I just upgrade from the command line program or should I completely reinstall via usb stick?
[18:35] <Eickmeyer> So, I take it you're on Ubuntu Desktop currently, is that right?
[18:39] <StudioUser82> Yeah, I'm running 23.10 on a 1st gen Threadripper.
[18:39] <StudioUser82> Have a RTX 3060 and a Vega card
[18:41] <Eickmeyer> StudioUser82: So, it's not so much an upgrade as it would be a crossgrade. Honestly, it's not recommended to install multiple desktop environments, so if you have room, I'd install it on a separate partition. If you have a separate home partition, you can point to your home partition, otherwise you can copy your home directory and everything over.
[18:42] <Eickmeyer> StudioUser82: If you don't have room for another partition, you should back-up your home directory and reinstall.
[18:42] <StudioUser82> I'm happy just to wipe Ubuntu 23.10 entirely. My goal here is to get back to work. I don't honestly care which Ubunu I run as long as the apps I use actually work properly.
[18:43] <StudioUser82> My apps are, Krita, GIMP, Inkscape, Reaper, Blender, and Davinci Resolve. Also, use Win with GPU passthrough for Adobe on occasion.
[18:44] <Eickmeyer> Ok, sure. 3/5 of those come preinstalled, so you should be good.
[18:44] <StudioUser82> I'm not wedded to any distro. Í'm wedded to my clients.
[18:49] <Eickmeyer> 👍
[19:37] <gordonjcp> inside you are two wolves
[19:37] <gordonjcp> one of them things Combichrist is terrible
[19:37] <gordonjcp> the other also things Combichrist is terrible
[19:38] <arraybolt3> gordonjcp: wrong channel?
[19:38] <gordonjcp> no, just editing a thing that's got Combichrist in the soundtrack
[19:38] <arraybolt3> ah
[19:38] <gordonjcp> also s/things/thinks/
[19:54] <Eickmeyer> gordonjcp: Seems quite out of context here.
[20:42] <StudioUser71> Having trouble with the 23.10 installer. Boot via USB, choose try Ubuntu to get to a shell to perform a backup, and it hangs with a cursor at the upper right corner
[20:43] <StudioUser71> This is with a PC with both rtx 3060 and an AMD Vega. The rtx is connected to a monitor.
[20:43] <StudioUser71> It is the primary display card
[21:04]  * OvenWrks has an acer spin with Wacom tablet built in. It work with 13.10 just fine as does the web cam which did not work in 22.04.
[21:05] <OvenWrks> The tablet also worked with 13.04 but the camera did not with frsh install but just started working on one of the updates
[21:07]  * OvenWrks is trying to remember if he had to jump through any hoops to get it working.... I had switch mouse pad to usb in bios to get that working.


[02:51] <mhall119> tgm4883: google simplejson
[02:51] <mhall119> it's a python lib for reading and writing json
[03:52] <tgm4883> mhall119, no worky, simplejson is not python 3
[04:55] <bobweaver> tgm4883,  I do not know python but looks like this will do the trick  well one of them  http://docs.python.org/3.0/library/urllib.request.html
[04:55] <bobweaver> http://docs.python.org/3/library/json.html
[04:55] <bobweaver> http://docs.python-requests.org/en/latest/user/quickstart/
[04:58] <bobweaver> tgm4883,  you have played with the netflix desktop thingy ?
[05:09] <tgm4883> bobweaver, yea I've been working with that, I finally was able to get it to actually give me json from the server
[05:10] <tgm4883> I haven't played with the netflix stuff yet. It's though wine, so I'm not sure how well it would even work for us
[17:08] <bobweaver> Just a friendly reminder that are team meeting is in 50 minutes on #ubuntu-meeting . Hope that I am not the only one that show up :)
[17:35] <tgm4883> bobweaver, thanks for the reminder :)
[17:36] <bobweaver> np tgm4883  hope to see you there
[17:36] <tgm4883> bobweaver, ping me again when it starts
[17:36] <bobweaver> ok
[18:03] <tgm4883> mhall119, jhodapp Saviq everyone else, meeting is starting in #ubuntu-meeting
[18:04] <jhodapp> thanks tgm4883
[18:04] <Saviq> tgm4883, sorry, I won't be able to join, jhodapp will be our worthy representative
[18:04] <tgm4883> currently doing Agenda Documentation: The wiki is kinda old and refers to unity 2d a whole lot
[18:04] <tgm4883> ok
[19:04] <tgm4883> bobweaver, what info exactly did you want for the ethernet tuners?
[19:06] <bobweaver> well just need to hear storys about  them like yeah this is buggy or this seems to work better ect
[19:06] <CrestedNewt> hiya Joseph
[19:06] <tgm4883> bobweaver, really it depends on what people are trying to record
[19:06] <bobweaver> tgm4883,  tbh I did not know that it was even a option till today
[19:07] <tgm4883> http://www.silicondust.com/products/hdhomerun/atsc/
[19:07] <bobweaver> as you know I am just C{++} guy
[19:07] <tgm4883> there is also a cable card version
[19:07] <bobweaver> Hey CrestedNewt
[19:07] <bobweaver> tgm4883,  the reason I ask is pandaboard
[19:07] <bobweaver> no pci slots I do not think ?
[19:07] <tgm4883> http://smolt.mythtv.org/static/stats/stats.html
[19:08] <tgm4883> that has some pretty good stats on actual hardware being used
[19:08] <bobweaver> thanks tgm4883
[19:08] <bobweaver> CrestedNewt,  it was you that sent me email about documentation ?
[19:09] <bobweaver> or was that someone else ?
[19:09] <CrestedNewt> bobweaver - yes it was me. You seem to have quite a bit on your plate
[19:09]  * bobweaver eats of vikings plate
[19:09] <bobweaver> :)
[19:10] <CrestedNewt> careful - he is about to eat his dog :D
[19:10] <bobweaver> CrestedNewt,  would you like to set up a google hangout with me in the next coulple of days so we can chat face to face about this
[19:10] <bobweaver> would be easy way for me
[19:10] <CrestedNewt> sure - I'm a GoogleHangout virgin but I'll give it a try
[19:11] <bobweaver> cool try to set up nn the next couple days and I ill put a thing out on the mailing list about it for other to show up also
[19:11] <bobweaver> figure some time next week
[19:11] <bobweaver> If that is good for you and anyone else that want s to join that
[19:12] <CrestedNewt> bobweaver - ok - I better get hold of a webcam then :D
[19:12] <bobweaver> mainly so I can show you and other's how to test the new 3d code
[19:12] <bobweaver> then put that into wiki on how to contribute
[19:13] <CrestedNewt> that's great - but I am not a coder,
[19:13] <bobweaver> CrestedNewt,  other things are we have to rm all the unity 2d testing stuff and replace with unity 3d stuff
[19:13] <bobweaver> on the wiki that is
[19:13] <CrestedNewt> bobweaver - thats fine but I think that we will need to talk quite a bit on that so I can get up to speed on the differences
[19:14] <bobweaver> sure CrestedNewt
[19:14] <bobweaver> do you all think that we should file bugs against this ?
[19:14] <bobweaver> or make blueprint ect
[19:15] <CrestedNewt> This is outside my area of experise
[19:15] <CrestedNewt> *expertise
[19:16] <bobweaver> jhodapp,  what is out of bounds to talk about ?  that is something maybe me and you can talk on the phone about ?
[19:16] <bobweaver> dont know if this is going to go to skunkworks ect
[19:16] <bobweaver> stuff like that
[19:17] <CrestedNewt> ~I have no idea's of blueprints etc - other than building plans for a house
[19:17] <jhodapp> bobweaver, pm me with what you want to talk about that you think might be out of bounds
[19:17] <bobweaver> like how mark posted about skunkworks and not showing things off to the public
[19:17] <cm-t_> hi, I had probleme with connexion, wanted to add in the log of the meeting  a "thanks" ubuntu-tv team and you bobweaver
[19:18] <bobweaver> hey cm-t_  how you been ?
[19:18] <cm-t_> fine and you ?
[19:18] <bobweaver> cm-t_,  qu'est-ce que vous voulez ajouter à journaux?
[19:19] <bobweaver> great thanks for asking
[19:19] <cm-t_> There is for the moment only 1 video posted about the ubuntu TV but it is so amator that I am not sure the link should be buzz'ed ^^
[19:19] <bobweaver> again thanks for getting more attention to Ubuntu TV and the france party
[19:19] <bobweaver> cm-t_,  ok
[19:19] <bobweaver> lets see link plz
[19:20] <bobweaver> it is up to youu
[19:21] <bobweaver> What does frustration look like This is what Frustration looks like
 no meeting ?
[19:21] <bobweaver> * Cannot join #ayatana (Channel is invite only).
 oh it is invite only
[19:21] <cm-t_> when I say it is amator, it is really; sound like a kids having his first cam, but we might have a French TV things ( channel France 5 if my memory serve me  well )
[19:21]  * cm-t_ looking for the link
[19:23] <CrestedNewt> I'm going to have to leave in a few - wife is saying dinner is ready
[19:26] <cm-t_> bobweaver: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=xfon_0ZnRbg#t=42s ← 42s !   please don't laff at the guy who filmed me, he was young :)  ( and about the low number of people, it is because it is the opening door)
[19:28] <CrestedNewt> bobweaver - you have my e-mail addr - lets try and hook up over the weekend - gtg
[19:29] <bobweaver> cool will send email to you CrestedNewt
[19:29] <CrestedNewt> cheers - good job BTW!! Keep the faith :D
[19:32] <bobweaver> cm-t_,  this is great thanks a ton
[19:32] <cm-t_> bobweaver: during the 2 days events, I had only 1 "crash" (layout issu, not "crash", but i restarted the tv)  and it was on this shoot of cam :P
[19:32] <bobweaver> It is ok it is just MOCKUP code
[19:34] <cm-t_> yep
[19:35] <bobweaver> thanks again for passing on video
[22:36] <bobweaver> nux is worthless
[22:37] <bobweaver> i hate it and the people that code in  it. wont even talk to me
[22:37] <bobweaver> I am going to loose it
[23:15] <bobweaver> I quit
[23:30] <tgm4883> jhodapp, ^
[23:50] <jhodapp> tgm4883, uh oh
[23:50] <jhodapp> tgm4883, sigh, he'll be back


[14:33] <newz2000> mdke: I've submitted the wiki theme for live testing. The plan is to set up an alias domain like wiki-testing.ubuntu.com where it can be broadly viewed. (not sure what the domain will be yet)
[14:37] <newz2000> mdke: I'll subscribe you to the branch
[14:38] <newz2000> not sure if that does anything useful for you though :-/
[22:46] <mdke> newz2000: thanks I'd be happy to have a look and test it on a desktop wiki
[22:47] <mdke> newz2000: one thing I'd be interested in is making sure that we can distinguish in a nice visible way between wiki.u and help.u - to avoid confusion between the two
[22:47] <newz2000> mdke: I've got an idea for that
[22:47] <mdke> newz2000: ooh
[22:47] <newz2000> mdke: for example, see this page: http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community
[22:48] <newz2000> Where it says Community support Overview
[22:48] <newz2000> someone here is calling that the "breadcrumb"
[22:48] <newz2000> and it displays context
[22:48] <newz2000> I think the combination of the selected item in the top menu, context provided in the 2nd menu (grey bar below the top) and the breadcrumb we can make it pretty clear
[22:49] <mdke> yes, that sounds sane. A lot of vertical space though
[22:49] <mdke> we could consider a modified logo in the top right I guess, on top of your idea, because just changing the top menu and breadcrumb doesn't make it look like a separate website
[22:50] <newz2000> Do you think it needs to look like a separate website or is it only necessary to let people know where they are?
[22:50] <mdke> I was asking myself the same question. I'm not sure
[22:51] <newz2000> I will get you access to the code for testing by Monday at the latest, but I will see if I can get it to you sooner
[22:51] <mdke> it's not a public branch?
[22:51] <newz2000> no, I foolishly combined all the themes, even non-public ones, into one branch
[22:51] <newz2000> I've got to fix that
[22:52] <mdke> oh, I see, you have themes for multiple wikis already?
[22:52] <mdke> I'd be happy just to look at a base one if it is easier
[22:52] <newz2000> well, canonical intranet and this new one are the interesting ones
[22:52] <newz2000> I subscribed you to a branch called something like canonical-webmonkeys, did you get some kind of notification about that?
[22:53] <mdke> nor ywr
[22:53] <mdke> or rather, "not yet"
[22:53] <newz2000> ok, it was this morning so that means "not ever"
[22:54] <newz2000> mdke: can you see https://code.launchpad.net/~newz/canonical-webmonkeys/wikithemes
[22:55] <mdke> yes :)
[22:55] <newz2000> can you branch from that?
[22:55] <newz2000> actually, I'm just going to send you a zip file of everything you need
[22:55] <mdke> the webpage tells me I can branch it
[22:56] <mdke> I'm not on an ubuntu system though but will try tomorrow
[22:56] <newz2000> please keep in mind that I've not gotten permission to share this publicly so please use this for personal testing
[22:56] <mdke> of course
[22:56] <newz2000> don't sweat it, it's probabbly too late to be hacking on wikis anyway
[22:56] <newz2000> oh, wait, you've married over a year now, so maybe its not too late
[22:57] <mdke> heh. 3 years, but it probably is too late for me anyway
[22:57] <mdke> funny how the time flies eh?
[22:57] <newz2000> yeah, that's amazing
[22:58] <newz2000> so you'll get two things from me, one is a wiki theme branch, you've seen it before I believe
[22:58] <mdke> ok, I'll check it over the weekend, thanks for working on it and sharing
[22:58] <newz2000> you'll also get a brahcn of assets, css and images
[22:58] <newz2000> I'll send you instructions on how to make them work together
[22:59] <mdke> ok, that's great
[22:59] <mdke> thanks again
[23:00] <newz2000> my pleasure, have a nice night and weekend
[23:00] <mdke> you too


[00:28] <menn0> thumper: just a reminder that this exists: https://github.com/juju/pubsub/issues/3
[00:29] <menn0> (doing my backstop duties)
[01:12] <cmars> menn0, is a v3 necessary, for a new feature that's not in a supported release yet? or are we giving betas full migration support now?
[01:12] <cmars> re: https://github.com/juju/description/pull/11
[01:19] <thumper> menn0: yeah, saw it, but it makes no sense
[01:20] <thumper> easy. closed it
[01:20] <thumper> :)
[01:37] <menn0> cmars: no need to support migration of everything in betas, but the struct version would need to be bumped once released
[01:38] <menn0> thumper: also these: https://github.com/juju/loggo/issues
[01:43] <axw> jam: when you're awake, can you please add hmlanigan@github to github.com/go-goose/goose
[01:59] <cmars> menn0, roger that
[02:07] <cmars> menn0, even a beta release?
[02:07] <cmars> menn0, or does it look good?
[02:07] <cmars> i'm confused :)
[02:08] <menn0> cmars: so I don't think you necessarily need to bump the version for a beta release
[02:08] <cmars> menn0, ok, ok
[02:08] <menn0> cmars: but I am concerned that we'll forget about it if the change gets merged without the version bump
[02:09] <cmars> menn0, what's the risk, exactly?
[02:09] <cmars> existing beta models?
[02:10]  * menn0 thinks
[02:10] <cmars> menn0, one thing to consider, is that no one currently can set the sla, because we haven't turned this service on
[02:10] <menn0> cmars: ok... I guess that's fine then
[02:12] <menn0> cmars: just approved the pr
[02:12] <cmars> menn0, tyvm
[02:14] <menn0> axw: what's up with this? https://github.com/juju/gnuflag/issues/1
[02:14] <menn0> axw: this even: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6326
[02:14] <axw> looking
[02:15] <axw> menn0: nothing atm, still needs simplestreams updates
[02:16] <menn0> axw: ok, added comment about that
[02:16] <axw> menn0: made some progress in barcelona, but then stalled again afterwards. aaron was on that, but not anymore AFAIK
[02:16] <axw> menn0: ta
[02:33] <menn0> jam: see this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1679875
[02:33] <mup> Bug #1679875: inability for juju to figure out container's IP addresses <juju:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1679875>
[02:37] <blahdeblah> How can I download a charm from something other than the stable channel on juju 1.x?
[03:16] <babbageclunk> axw: can you take a look at this? https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7206
[03:16] <axw> babbageclunk: looking
[03:17] <babbageclunk> axw: thanks
[03:19] <axw> babbageclunk: LGTM, thank you. sorry, I think I signed off originally - should have picked that up
[03:21] <babbageclunk> axw: :) Oh well,  least it's fixed now!
[03:24] <cmars> can i get a review of https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7202 please?
[03:30] <cmars> menn0, ^^
[03:30] <menn0> cmars: looking
[03:30] <cmars> menn0, thanks!
[03:35] <menn0> cmars: done
[03:35] <cmars> menn0-afk, thanks!
[03:53] <thumper> axw: quick Q) do you know what 1.25 ipaddresses (from collection of that name) are used for? Also, if we didn't migrate them from 1.25 -> 2.x, there is a worker that discovers all the link layer devices and their ip addresses, right?
[03:54] <axw> thumper: I don't know, sorry. jam would probably know?
[03:55] <thumper> axw: no worries
[09:59] <anastasiamac> wpk: ping :)
[10:08] <wpk> anastasiamac: pong :)
[12:07] <oops___> status stuck on: "allocating 0/lxd/0 waiting for machine". Any ideas?
[12:23] <wpk> is machine '0' ready?
[12:44] <oops___> wpk: it's in down pending
[12:56] <oops___> wpk: but the machine looks ok: has processes and an IP
[13:09] <perrito666> Oops__ the juju agent might have had problems to start, try checking /var/log/juju*.log on the container
[13:13] <SimonKLB> is it possible to set lxc limits such as limits.cpu using juju atm?
[15:13] <rogpeppe> a code-movement only PR, reviews appreciated: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7208
[15:30] <rogpeppe> another PR, much smaller, but somewhat more significant: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7209/files
[15:32] <rogpeppe> perrito666: you still around?
[15:33] <perrito666> I am on holidays, there is 0 chance that is going to be me :p
[15:51] <rogpeppe> perrito666: ha, i saw you on IRC and thought you might be still around :)
[15:53] <perrito666> I have irc on the phone and was waiting for a light rain to pass before heading back to the pool
[15:53] <perrito666> :p
[19:42] <mup> Bug #1680582 opened: Agents losing connection to leader tracker <canonical-bootstack> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1680582>
[19:51] <mup> Bug #1680582 changed: Agents losing connection to leader tracker <canonical-bootstack> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1680582>
[20:09] <mup> Bug #1680582 opened: Agents losing connection to leader tracker <canonical-bootstack> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1680582>


[10:52] <ogra> lool, why is your padding code so complex ?
[10:52]  * ogra would have used: dd if=/dev/zero bs=1 count=$pad 2>/dev/null >> $FILE
[11:48] <ogra> lool, YAY ... padded initramfs works with my latest image build ...
[12:18] <kennethreitz> !ls
[12:18] <ubot4> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[17:53] <lool> ogra: Uh my padding is exactly what you wrote: -dd if=/dev/zero bs=$pad count=1 2>/dev/null
[17:53] <lool> And BTW that is problematic for RAM issues, but well...
[17:53] <ogra> its way more complex piping dd
[17:54] <ogra> "dd if=/dev/zero bs=1 count=$pad 2>/dev/null >> $FILE"  vs: "(cat $ifile dd if=/dev/zero bs=$pad count=1 2>/dev/null) | dd of="$ipadded" bs=4k 2>/dev/null "
[17:55] <ogra> so you have two dd processes in yours
[18:03] <lool> ogra: Yes; with differing bs?
[18:04] <lool> ogra: Oh I see your point; right, I could have changed that when I introduced the padded file
[18:04] <ogra> you can actually pad the file directly
[18:04] <ogra> without creating a tmpfile
[18:05] <lool> I need the tmpfile
[18:05] <lool> Because of fis
[18:15] <ScriptRipper> btw, did any of you read this: http://tuxradar.com/content/ubuntu-rewrite-linux-kernel-using-mono
[18:15] <ScriptRipper> full cover :D
[18:17] <Stskeeps> ScriptRipper: now, it isn't totally insane after seeing stuff like Singularity :P
[18:18] <ScriptRipper> it looks like the author in the middle fusioned also Canonical and Novell
[18:19] <ScriptRipper> and they hired Mark as the new chairman of this company also....
[18:19] <ScriptRipper> its the best for today i saw
[18:21] <ogra> ScriptRipper, thats future planning, we'll actually port the mono kernel from the python version once thats finished
[18:22] <ScriptRipper> ah, the difference between the marketing people and the project planning :D
[18:32] <cooloney> lool, i uploaded a kernel deb package at http://people.ubuntu.com/~roc/linux-image-2.6.28-11-iop32x_2.6.28-11.38_armel.deb
[18:33] <cooloney> lool, could you please try it to see whether the bug is still there
[18:33] <cooloney> lool, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/349104
[18:33] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 349104 in linux "[arm] iop32x panics instead of starting d-i from initrd" [High,In progress]


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[06:35] <dholbach> good morning
[12:19] <Rhonda> Why aren't the @ubuntu.com mail forwards checked at all for spam?
[12:19] <Rhonda> I am literally bombarded by several dozens of spam mails daily, which is pretty unbearable.  :/
[12:20] <Laney> yeah I've trained dspam to deal with it, probably everyone else has too
[12:20] <xnox> Rhonda: too late probably, but don't publish it and just make people contact you via launchpad's "contact this user"
[12:20] <xnox> Laney: i just use gmail spam filtering.
[12:20] <Laney> works if you use gmail
[12:20] <Rhonda> xnox: I blame Laney for that part.
[12:20] <Laney> fnar


[01:31] <arosales>  /away afk
[01:32]  * arosales misssed that space
[09:58] <xnox> I have pushed a charm to lp:~xnox/charms/trusty/jemjem/trunk I'm trying to open a bug against jemjem charm but apperantly "jemjem" is not published in the charm collection.
[09:59] <xnox> How can I track bugs against my charm?
[11:02] <xnox> Can I declare constraints in the charm itself? As in my charm can only work with minimum 2CPUs & 2GB RAM
[11:02] <xnox> (i want to prevent people deploying it on worse configuration)
[11:03] <xnox> I guess that's what bundles are for =)
[11:17] <jam> xnox: it has come up a couple times, as you've found, bundles are the current answer for that
[13:31] <mattyw> Hi Folks, If I do a local deploy is it possible for me to have different directories of the same charm for different version? like my-charm-1 and my-charm-2 and deploy them using local:my-charm-2? At the moment it looks like it doesn't work becuase the name in the metadata is differnt
[13:33] <marcoceppi_> mattyw: I think what you can do is possible, but can you expand a little more how your files are setup and the end goal?
[13:35] <mattyw> marcoceppi_, sure I'd have the same charm in a local directory - different versions would be under different directories ~/mycharms/my-charm-1 ~/mycharms/my-charm-2
[13:35] <mattyw> ^^ but underneath they're the same charm - so the metadata is unchanged (but the revision number is different)
[13:35] <marcoceppi_> ah, so that won't work. Charm versions are tracked via the revision file in the charm, not by the directory name
[13:36] <marcoceppi_> mattyw: try ~/mycharms/my-charm and ~/mycharms2/my-charm instead
[13:36] <mattyw> marcoceppi_, that's a pretty neat idea
[13:36] <mattyw> marcoceppi_, I'll give that a go, thanks
[13:36] <marcoceppi_> mattyw: np, cheers
[14:14] <bashok> Hi, I am currently testing out juju with my private cloud setup, my cloud has multiple compute regions all my global services has endpoints with a region name, and nova endpoints has a different region name,  while configuring environments.yaml,  I can specify only one region name, which is creating issues, is there a way to overcome this, is this a hard requirement to have all services with same region in endpoints?
[14:25] <arges> Hi. Is there a way to deploy a specific revision of a charm using juju deploy? Without having to locally clone, checkout etc...
[14:38] <marcoceppi_> arges: juju deploy mysql-# where # is the version number
[14:46] <arges> marcoceppi_: : ) thanks
[14:50] <jcastro> marcoceppi_, can I get a +1 or -1 on my two new bullet proposals?
[14:50] <jcastro> the GUI guys would like to do an update
[14:50] <ghartmann> Hi, just a quick question. Anyone working on a IPython Notebook charm ?
[14:51] <marcoceppi_> jcastro: neither really "require" anything by the charm author, per se
[14:51] <marcoceppi_> jcastro: actually, I'll reply to the thread
[14:51] <jcastro> yeah but it's a nice feature to show in the gui
[14:52] <marcoceppi_> jcastro: truth
[14:52] <marcoceppi_> ghartmann: not that I'm aware of!
[14:52] <jcastro> since those are now more "this charm has this features" more than "this charm passes this"
[14:52] <marcoceppi_> jcastro: true
[14:52] <jcastro> either way reply to the list
[14:52] <ghartmann> thanks
[15:52] <caribou> In an existing charm, if I want to add a new option, is config.yaml the only place I need to go to define it ?
[15:52] <medberry> I think so.  marcoceppi_ ^
[15:53] <marcoceppi_> caribou: yes, then you need to make sure to utilze the new option in the config-changed hook :)
[15:54] <caribou> marcoceppi_: thanks
[16:01] <caribou> marcoceppi_: so you mean that *every* option has to appear at least once in config-changed ?
[16:02] <caribou> marcoceppi_: my change is to add an option in a conf file
[16:02] <marcoceppi_> caribou: no, it doesn't have to be used at all, but then why even bother addint it to config.yaml?
[16:03] <marcoceppi_> I was more referring to the fact that it's best to have it in config-changed, it can be used in any hook of the charm though
[16:03] <caribou> marcoceppi_: of course; my change is to define a value in a template file (cinder.conf for instance)
[16:08] <jcastro> hey evilnickveitch
[16:08] <evilnickveitch> jcastro, hey
[16:08] <jcastro> hey on the list
[16:08] <jcastro> the guy trying jenkins says the debug-hooks doc page is "opaque"
[16:09] <jcastro> he thinks some examples there would be good
[16:11] <caribou> marcoceppi_: nOOb's mistake, I forgot to increment the revision :-/
[16:11] <evilnickveitch> jcastro, ok
[16:18] <jcastro> hey marcoceppi_
[16:18] <jcastro> bac landed the new QA bullets
[16:18] <jcastro> https://manage.jujucharms.com/charms/precise/apache2/qa/edit
[16:18] <jcastro> we can now check those off as part of the audit
[17:50] <dpb1> Would it be possible for someone to look at this?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+bug/1259630
[17:50] <_mup_> Bug #1259630: add storage subordinate charm <landscape> <Juju Charms Collection:New for davidpbritton> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1259630>
[18:03] <marcoceppi_> dpb1: if it's not in https://manage.jujucharms.com/tools/review-queue we don't really know about it
[18:03] <marcoceppi_> dpb1: wait, is this a charm or an idea you want feedback on?
[18:03] <dpb1> marcoceppi_: what do I do to get it there?
[18:04] <dpb1> marcoceppi_: I have the bug marked with charmers, I have it assigned to me
[18:04] <marcoceppi_> dpb1: but is it a charm or just a concept you want to discuss?
[18:04] <dpb1> charm
[18:04] <marcoceppi_> dpb1: you need to link a branch to for it to show up
[18:04] <dpb1> blah
[18:05] <marcoceppi_> I don't see a branch linked anywhere other than your jenkins mention
[18:05] <dpb1> lp should just know! :)
[18:05] <marcoceppi_> ;)
[18:06] <marcoceppi_> dpb1: cool, it'll show up in the queue in the next 10 mins and I'll try to get eyes on by end of the week
[18:06] <dpb1> marcoceppi_: thanks much!  we already have some follow-on work and are looking to integrate it into the postgres charm, so feedback would be appreciated
[18:07] <marcoceppi_> dpb1: cool, I also see the swap charm is up for review soon too
[18:08] <dpb1> marcoceppi_: yes, that one is much more limited in scope.  just something to clear out some todo items.  el-mo even told me already it sucked. :)
[19:15] <jcastro> marcoceppi_,  I think I found the problem with the mongodb replicaset you mentioned in passing the other day
[19:15] <marcoceppi_> jcastro: excellent!
[19:19] <lazypower> jcastro, do tell
[19:19] <jcastro> I think you need to set the replica set name before you add unit
[19:19] <jcastro> I am testing it out now
[19:22] <jcastro> lazypower, "Not using --replSet" do you get that in the UI?
[19:22] <lazypower> jcastro, 1 sec on the phone with blythe
[19:22] <jcastro> no worries
[19:23] <jcastro> here it is
[19:23] <jcastro>            19:22:40.165 [initandlisten] ERROR: can't use --slave or --master replication options with --replSet
[19:23] <jcastro> negronjl, around?
[19:27] <lazypower> jcastro, as i understand it, which may be incorrect, you have to define the heartbeat set and let election occur
[19:27] <lazypower> *define the replica set, allow it to heart beat, and election occur before you define master slave relationships
[19:27] <jcastro> yeah it's just none of that is in the instructions
[19:28] <jcastro> it's like "yo, juju deploy, add-unit, done!"
[19:28] <marcoceppi_> jcastro: maybe the config just doesn't have sane defaults?
[19:28] <lazypower> good point, i ran into that helping maxcan get his mongodb cluster deployed.
[19:28] <jcastro> marcoceppi_, maybe
[19:28] <lazypower> and what actually solved it, was just running it again with -r after the config servers came online
[19:28] <jcastro> I mean, the hardcore one with sharding needs a config.yaml and all that
[19:29] <lazypower> oh this is strictly replset creation?
[19:29] <maxcan> yup
[19:29] <jcastro> this is just the simple multi node deployment
[19:29] <jcastro> lazypower, yeah
[19:29] <maxcan> resolved -r; rinse; repeat is your friend
[19:29] <jcastro> ugh
[19:29] <maxcan> also, needed to make sure that teh configsvr RS was all set up and good before relating to mongos
[19:30] <jcastro> anyone have their history handy with all the commands? I am working on fixing the readme today
[19:30] <jcastro> so you can just do it in the first try
[19:31] <lazypower> Maxcan has a  sharded RS history
[19:31] <lazypower> Let me reach out to some peeps and see if i can fetch the history of my last deployment.
[19:31] <jcastro> ta
[19:31]  * lazypower doffs hat
[19:31] <jcastro> I don't need the sharded one yet, but I'll take it!
[19:32] <lazypower> jcastro, its going to be a sharded repl set from me as well...
[19:33] <jcastro> aha!
[19:33] <jcastro> the resolved --retry seem to do the trick
[19:33] <lazypower> jcastro, thats the race condition we ran into. Something's not getting set right away during the relationship-joined/changed hooks
[19:33] <jcastro> ok
[19:34] <jcastro> I am going to file a bug
[19:34] <jcastro> and then add a note in the readme
[19:37] <jcastro> https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+source/mongodb/+bug/1267222
[19:37] <_mup_> Bug #1267222: Race condition when deploying a simple replica set <mongodb (Juju Charms Collection):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1267222>
[19:37] <jcastro> if anyone has anything to add
[19:37] <marcoceppi_> So, you have the ability to create a testing configuration file, it will live in the tests directory. I have it called testplan.yaml but think it's too long. suggestions?
[19:38] <negronjl> jcastro: I'll get back to you in a few minutes ... let me finish lunch
[19:38] <jcastro> no worries!
[19:39] <marcoceppi_> I was going to call it config.yaml, but didn't want ot confuse the actual config.yaml file
[19:39] <jcastro> config_test.yaml?
[19:40] <lazypower> marcoceppi_, is this related to setup/teardown of your testing suite? or specifics?
[19:40] <marcoceppi_> lazypower: it's the ability to see the test driver with configuration options for your charm
[19:40] <marcoceppi_> more like test plugin preferences
[19:41] <marcoceppi_> jcastro: test_config.yaml sounds better, so I'll go with that unless someone thinks of the equivlant "promulgate" word for this before eod
[19:41] <jcastro> no more weird words!
[19:41] <lazypower> ^
[19:51] <marcoceppi_> <3
[20:00] <maxcan> lazypower: just got back, was on a cll
[20:00] <lazypower> All good my man. I was too.
[20:00] <lazypower> How's things post deployment? I assume it went without a hitch after we got the cluster setup?
[20:12] <maxcan> no, took me several hours to get it right
[20:12] <maxcan> but your help was invaluable
[20:22] <lazypower> Well thanks for the plug :) Did you happen to do a writeup on your hurdles you faced?
[20:29] <lazypower> maxcan, and if not, I can help by doing a phaux interview with you. I'm really interested in your experience.
[21:02] <jcastro> mbruzek, arosales: TLDR is that the juju in stable ppa uses lxc-ls, which in trusty now requires root
[21:03] <jcastro> 1.17 skips that and should work, so we'll be fine.
[21:03] <jcastro> note, that it does not work for me right now
[21:04] <marcoceppi_> jcastro: 1.17.1 should be landing in the dev ppa sooner or later
[21:05] <mbruzek> should I enable trusty-proposed ?
[21:05] <mbruzek> Or where do I get the dev one?
[21:05] <marcoceppi_> mbruzek: ppa:juju/devel
[21:05] <mbruzek> oh.
[21:06] <mbruzek> juju dev
[21:06] <marcoceppi_> actually, 1.17.0 is already out
[21:06] <marcoceppi_> jcastro: did you try 1.17.0?
[21:06] <mbruzek> mbruzek@skull:~/workspace/charms/tomcat$ juju --version
[21:06] <mbruzek> 1.16.5-trusty-amd64
[21:06] <jcastro> yeah
[21:06] <jcastro> I get some connection refused error.
[21:07] <marcoceppi_> mbruzek: yeah, 1.EVEN are "stable" releases, 1.ODD are devel releases
[21:07] <marcoceppi_> so if you sudo add-apt-repository ppa:juju/devel; sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get upgrade you'll get 1.17.0
[21:07] <jcastro> jorge@jilldactyl:~$ sudo juju bootstrap
[21:07] <jcastro>  ERROR Get http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8040/provider-state: dial tcp <IP_ADDRESS>:8040: connection refused
[21:07] <jcastro> is what I get currently
[21:08] <marcoceppi_> jcastro: run it with --debug --show-log
[21:08] <jcastro> oh dude, environment exists
[21:08] <jcastro> I think I had it bootstrapped
[21:08] <jcastro> and _then_ upgraded
[21:08] <marcoceppi_> doh!
[21:09] <jcastro> ugh, can't destroy it now
[21:09] <marcoceppi_> jcastro: stop all the juju-* upstart tasks
[21:10] <marcoceppi_> then rm -f /etc/init/juju-*
[21:10] <jcastro> got it
[21:10] <jcastro> blowing away .jenv did it
[21:10] <jcastro> that's my new debug tool
[21:10] <marcoceppi_> ah
[21:10] <jcastro> "something broke? blow away the .jenv file"
[21:11] <jcastro> ok, so it works fine now with 1.17
[21:19] <marcoceppi_> jcastro: sweet
[22:22] <maxcan> lazypower: i will definitely do a write up
[22:57] <arosales> jcastro, sorry I was tied up in a meeting. thanks for the fyi in trusty needing 1.17
[23:31] <maxcan> so, anytime I add-unit juju opens up my juju-amazon security group ports 22, 17070, and 37017 to <IP_ADDRESS>/0
[23:32] <davecheney> maxcan: yes, that is necessary
[23:32] <maxcan> also dangerous
[23:33] <davecheney> those are the control ports juju needs to talk to the bootstrap node, the state server and the api server
[23:33] <maxcan> coulnd't it just only open those ports to the IP of the management server
[23:33] <maxcan> why <IP_ADDRESS>?
[23:33] <davecheney> the management server is the bootstrap node
[23:34] <davecheney> those ports are open so your client can connect to juju
[23:34] <maxcan> i get that opening to the AWS security-group is to AWS specific
[23:34] <davecheney> i understand your point
[23:34] <davecheney> it's not something that juju does at the moment
[23:34] <davecheney> please consider raising a freature request
[23:35] <maxcan> i'll add it to my list of feature requests
[23:35] <maxcan> that i'm writing up
[23:35] <maxcan> FYI, my setup is that I have a client running on an EC2 host which requires yubikey 2FA for SSH access
[23:36] <maxcan> my juju scripts generate a random admin secret and run all the juju commands from that machine
[23:36] <maxcan> so that way, it should be impossible for any outside access to the juju boxes
[23:36] <davecheney> sounds like a sound practice
[23:37] <davecheney> the firewaller currently doesnt' handle source ip acls, it just knows how to configure by port
[23:37] <davecheney> this would have to be something additional to juju
[23:37] <maxcan> yeah
[23:38] <maxcan> currently, on AWS at least, the default juju behavior is to open all ports on all juju machines to all juju machines
[23:38] <davecheney> yes, charms expect that
[23:38] <maxcan> but, each machine does get its own security group (juju-amazon-N) which is basically unused
[23:38] <davecheney> yes, this is a known bug
[23:38] <davecheney> it sort of extends from openstack providers which limit security groups
[23:39] <davecheney> so we 1/2 finished the workaround
[23:39] <maxcan> would it be consistent with charms' expected behaviors to only open up ports (besides conmand ports) when there is a relation
[23:39] <maxcan> and to only use the relaitons ports
[23:39] <davecheney> charms expect an open network
[23:39] <davecheney> the open-port close-port comments relate to the external network
[23:40] <davecheney> so, when i say open network
[23:40] <davecheney> i mean open internal network
[23:40] <maxcan> because not all relations have explicit ports?
[23:41] <davecheney> open-port / close-port only talk about services exposed by the charms
[23:41] <davecheney> when charms are related together the expectation is they have full network access to one another
[23:41] <davecheney> eg, mysql <> wordpress
[23:41] <davecheney> expects 100% access on a private network
[23:41] <davecheney> wordpress may call expose-port, but that is realy just to setup the port forwarding
[23:41] <maxcan> i see
[23:42] <davecheney> eg, when wordpress and mysql relate the mysql charm will call
[23:42] <davecheney> unit-get private-address
[23:42] <davecheney> to obtain it's private ip address and pass that via the relation to wordpress
[23:43] <maxcan> i see
[23:43] <maxcan> kind of violates the principle of least access but if all the charms expect that, not much to do
[23:44] <maxcan> for the charms i'm using and writing (mongo and internal) it could be accomplished
[23:45] <maxcan> next question, is it possible to add-units to a service using a newer revision of the charm without upgading the running instances?
[23:45] <davecheney> maxcan: no
[23:45] <davecheney> add-unit always uses the version of the charm that is cached in the state
[23:45] <maxcan> hm
[23:45] <davecheney> ie, add-unit always depliys the same version of the charm
[23:45] <davecheney> i know what you are trying to do
[23:46] <davecheney> juju doesn't support smoke test upgrades at the moment
[23:46] <davecheney>  s/smoke test/rolling/
[23:48] <maxcan> so if i have 20 app servers and hit upgrade charm, will they be done serially or in parallel?
[23:48] <davecheney> parallel-ish
[23:48] <davecheney> we wave our hands and say juju is asynchronus
[23:48] <maxcan> that seems not good-ish
[23:49] <davecheney> so the only guarnetee is all the units will process the upgrade charm request
[23:49] <maxcan> zero downtime deploys would be nice
[23:49] <davecheney> a. eventually
[23:49] <davecheney> b. before doing any other relation events
[23:49] <davecheney> maxcan: for zero time upgrades we recommend having two environments
[23:50] <davecheney> eg. omgubuntu has two environments, A and B, upgrade A, making it the primary B bcomes staging
[23:50] <davecheney> upgrade B it becomes the primary and A becomes staging
[23:50] <davecheney> ie is difficult for juju to handle zero downtime upgrades because juju is not a process manager
[23:50] <davecheney> ie, it doesn't know the state of processes, only the agents which run comments
[23:50] <davecheney> commands
[23:51] <maxcan> that wouldn't work for us, we'd have to move our mongo cluster
[23:51] <marcoceppi_> there's definitely room to for a subordinate charm to do zero downtime upgrades, but you'd have to not use upgarde-charm and instead opt for a configuration option on your service (ie a version configuration option)
[23:51] <davecheney> another option is to create two services
[23:51] <maxcan> so, for us, we dont need process managers because we're happy to have immutable app servers
[23:51] <davecheney> marcoceppi_: yeah, that is what I think the openstack chamrs do
[23:52] <maxcan> i.e. spin up 10 servers with version 2, when their started, kill the 10 servers with version 1
[23:52] <davecheney> maxcan: you'd have to do that as two services
[23:52] <marcoceppi_> right, they tack version as a configuration option and only use upgrade-charm when the charm's code changes. So you can juju set version="whatever"; then have your charm perform leader election and perform rolling upgrade execution
[23:52] <maxcan> aaaahhh
[23:53] <maxcan> now it all makes sense
[23:53] <davecheney> maxcan: i don't know if the mongo db charm would give out the smae credentials on two different relations
[23:53] <davecheney> i suspect it would not
[23:53] <maxcan> essentially version my services
[23:53] <marcoceppi_> davecheney: probably not
[23:53] <marcoceppi_> maxcan: yes, the openstack charms do this and several others (discourse comes to mind)
[23:53] <davecheney> maxcan: so possibly in that scenario you have two services, one with zero units, the other with 10
[23:53] <davecheney> upgrade-charm on one service
[23:53] <davecheney> then add units to it, and remove units from the other one
[23:54] <davecheney> or have 10 in each
[23:54] <davecheney> and just have a big red button on your load balancer that switches the load from one service backend to another
[23:54] <marcoceppi_> maxcan: here's an example of the configuration options for discourse
[23:55] <marcoceppi_> http://manage.jujucharms.com/~marcoceppi/precise/discourse and http://manage.jujucharms.com/~marcoceppi/precise/discourse/config
[23:55] <maxcan> thanks!
[23:55] <maxcan> davecheney: perfect
[23:56] <marcoceppi_> If you decouple the application upgrade process from the charm upgrade process you no longer have to rely (as much) on juju to perform the upgrade and can implement your own upgrade logic via the peer relation and config-changed
[23:57] <maxcan> marcoceppi_: we kind of have.  our install hook pulls a docker image from s3, so if that is updated, even wtihout the charm being updated, we'll get a new version
[23:57] <marcoceppi_> cool


[11:26] <marlock> hi to all
[11:26] <marlock> i want to compile a kernel on a Centrino Duo T2500 processor
[11:26] <marlock> what option i have to choos in processor features?
[11:27] <marlock> pentium-m or pentium-4m?
[11:27] <marlock> i read that core 2-newxeon is only for newer processor like the core2duo or the centrino2duo
[18:50] <IntuitiveNipple> klasikahl: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kernel-team
[18:50] <klasikahl> thanks!
[18:51] <klasikahl> i think i'll just write an email to the list... usually get more thorough responses that way
[18:52] <IntuitiveNipple> klasikahl: Also, try this search (unfortunately Google kills the minus in -virtual): http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%22-virtual%22+site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Flists.ubuntu.com%2Farchives%2Fkernel-team%2F&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:gb:unofficial&client=firefox
[18:52] <klasikahl> i just hope the list isn't too high volume :P
[18:52] <IntuitiveNipple> klasikahl: Yes, indeed
[18:52] <IntuitiveNipple> No, we only get a handful a day
[23:47] <kleve> hi
[23:47] <kleve> is sbrk a specific memory allocator for linux?