[12:22] <thomas_> greets
[12:22] <thomas_> anyone here ?  I just installed this distro for the kids and I have some questions
[12:23] <blue-frog> ask
[12:23] <thomas_> i see that moodle is supposed to be installed by default. here do i find it ?
[12:23] <thomas_> wher do i find it ?
[12:24] <ogra> it isnt, the system is prepared for it, moodle is in universe, install it with synaptic
[12:24] <ogra> it had a bug that prevented it from entering the CD
[12:24] <ogra> (but it will enter the next release in the default install)
[12:25] <ogra> did you read http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes ?
[12:25] <thomas_> nope. this is my fist graphical linux. always run command only
[12:25] <thomas_> whats synaptic ?
[12:25] <ogra> its in the System->Administration menu
[12:26] <ogra> your package management
[12:26] <thomas_> ah
[12:26] <thomas_> gui to apt-get ?
[12:26] <thomas_> i want to make this as easy as posible. i want to break the kids from $MS before it's too late
[12:28] <ogra> use synaptic, enable the universe repository and install moodle with a doubleclick (http://wiki.edubuntu.org/SynapticHowto)
[12:28] <ogra> hrm
[12:33] <jclinton> hi all
[12:33] <jclinton> how do i lock down the edubuntu desktop?
[12:51] <mparise> does anyone have a good howto on setting up thinclients?  My server is up and running
[01:02] <euthydemus> will we see a ppc version of edubuntu soon?
[01:42] <spacey> euthydemus, server or client?
[01:43] <spacey> mparise, did you check the wiki
[01:54] <mparise> spacey, i did
[01:54] <mparise> maybe i missed it
[01:55] <mparise> i've reading the wiki all afternoon though
[01:59] <spacey> hmm ok
[02:00] <spacey> you have some specific questions?
[02:00] <spacey> anyway i really have to go to sleep now,
[02:00] <spacey> goodnight
[02:00] <spacey> i'll be here tomorrow
[03:53] <mhz> hi you all
[05:26] <toothpick> What is the name of the grading software?
[06:46] <zakame> hey all
[11:01] <JaneW> could someone please reply to the slashdot thing and mention LTSp, they all seem to have missed that, and think it's *just* a different desktop package...
[11:26] <JaneW> highvoltage: PING
[11:27] <JaneW> highvoltage: since when are you on a personal e-mailing basis with Linus!? ;)
[11:32] <highvoltage> JaneW: very>>>busy/\/\/-and()distracted**PONG***
[11:32] <highvoltage> JaneW: just got your email with the bmp's (ouch!)
[11:32] <highvoltage> JaneW: not quite what we're looking for ;)
[11:33] <JaneW> highvoltage: nod, not sure what to do with that, and too busy to think about it atm...
[11:33] <highvoltage> JaneW: linus is cool, hey? i think it's nice that he want to contribute directly to edubuntu
[11:33] <JaneW> highvoltage: sure, I agree, I hope ogra likes the tool
[11:33] <highvoltage> JaneW: don't worry, i'll reply to the bmp guy tomorroe
[11:33] <highvoltage> JaneW: i think it's likely that ogra will rewrite it in python :)
[11:33] <JaneW> Linus was very self-deprecating baout the tool though ;)
[11:34] <highvoltage> i think on some level, he *wants* ogra to rewrite it in python ;)
[11:34] <highvoltage> linus said that if we had such a tool in edubuntu, he'd install it on his computer for his daughter.
[11:34] <highvoltage> now, that would be real cool, if Linus ran edubuntu.
[11:35] <ogra> huh ?
[11:35] <ajmitch_> hehe
[11:35] <highvoltage> i'm going to push him to do that, we can get that slashdotted too ;)
[11:35] <ajmitch_> hi ogra :)
[11:36] <ogra> erm, what did i miss ? linus sent a tool to slashdot ?
[11:37] <JaneW> highvoltage: indeed
[11:37] <highvoltage> ogra: i think i forwarded to you privately?
[11:37] <highvoltage> ogra: i'll send it again
[11:37] <JaneW> ogra: see mail from highvoltage
[11:37] <ogra> highvoltage, you mean the tracker tool ?
[11:37] <JaneW> re tracker tool
[11:37] <JaneW> yes
[11:37] <ogra> ah
[11:38] <ogra> LOL
[11:38] <ogra> i didnt notice at all from whom it was
[11:38] <highvoltage> yes
[11:38] <ogra> :-D
[11:38] <highvoltage> hehe :)
[11:38] <highvoltage> sorry, just send it again.
[11:38] <ajmitch_> ogra: care to show it? :)
[11:38] <ogra> i have looked at the code and was just impressed by the cleaness :)
[11:38] <JaneW> heh
[11:38] <JaneW> ogra: good to hear it
[11:39] <ogra> i'm thinking about how to integrate it into s-c-p
[11:39] <ajmitch_> forward it to your boss ;)
[11:39] <highvoltage> does RMS have kids? <grin>
[11:39] <ogra> so we can show the data directly aside the userlist :)
[11:39] <JaneW> ogra: good idea
[11:40] <JaneW> highvoltage: I like the way you think...
[11:40] <ogra> ok, prioritized now *g*
[11:40] <JaneW> heh
[11:40] <ajmitch_> highvoltage: RMS? can you imagine what his kids would turn out like?
[11:40] <highvoltage> ogra: thank you <bug grin>
[11:40] <highvoltage> erm... big grin :)
[11:40] <ogra> hehe
[11:40] <JaneW> picture the edubuntu packaging 'Edubuntu - as used by Linus Torvald's children'
[11:40] <highvoltage> ajmitch_: they'll be born with beards
[11:41] <ajmitch_> I appreciate many of RMS' views, but he's still a nutter
[11:41] <highvoltage> JaneW: lol!
[11:41] <highvoltage> RMS is cool. i support him 100%
[11:41] <ajmitch_> highvoltage: sure, but he's still nuts ;)
[11:41] <highvoltage> ajmitch_: so am i, and ~ 8 billion other people ;)
[11:44] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/tracker.tar.gz
[11:44] <ogra> for the intrested ones ^^^
[11:45] <JaneW> highvoltage: 8 Billion?
[11:45] <juliux> ogra, morning
[11:45] <ogra> moin juliux
[11:45] <juliux> ogra, in the next days markus krger will contact you, he will hack on the ltspmanager
[11:45] <ogra> yay
[11:46] <juliux> ogra, in which language is the ltspmanager written?
[11:46] <ogra> the worst part (dhcp handling) parsing the lts.conf should be straight forward
[11:46] <JaneW> highvoltage:  According to estimates published by the United States Census Bureau, the world population in June 2005 was ~6,450,000,000
[11:46] <ogra> python
[11:46] <JaneW> highvoltage: so don't exagerate :P
[11:46] <ogra> juliux, all tools i write from scratch are python/gtk
[11:46] <juliux> ogra, ok
[11:46] <juliux> ogra, i know there some gnome.
[11:46] <juliux> gnome-de people who have a lot of time
[11:47] <JaneW> highvoltage: unless you are counting the ppl with multiple personalities ;)
[11:47] <juliux> ogra, sorry i have to go to university, i have a examen
[11:47] <ogra> we should also find some python-qt people to hack up a kde version ... there is some community interest for a kedubuntu
[11:47] <highvoltage> JaneW: ok ;)
[11:47] <ogra> juliux, good luck
[11:48] <juliux> ogra, thanks
[01:37] <Xamusk> anyone here used ubuntu as an ltsp server/client?
[01:38] <ogra_> Xamusk: nearly everyone does .... edubuntu is built around it ;)
[01:38] <Xamusk> good, then maybe someone can help me :)
[01:38] <ogra_> ask away
[01:39] <Xamusk> although I'm using ubuntu
[01:39] <ogra_> the implementation is the same
[01:40] <Xamusk> in client boot-time, something is renaming my xorg.conf to xorg.conf.YYYYMMDDHHmm, and replacing it with another xorg.conf... it looks like it's ignoring lts.conf, so my mouse won't work (the xorg.conf that appears is configured with a PS2 mouse)
[01:40] <zakame> heya all :)
[01:41] <ogra> Xamusk, do you use a ps2 mouse ?
[01:41] <ogra> some people have issues with the module not being loaded
[01:43] <Xamusk> ogra, in the server, but a serial mouse in the client... I've modified the client /etc/modules to include sermouse (and it loads, as seen on lsmod)
[01:43] <Xamusk> however, in one of the messages in boot-time, it says something like "Loading /dev/psaux common for all mice"
[01:43] <ogra> hmm, serial mice are a small problem we still have to solve ... the xorg setup is based on autodetection on boot of the thin client (as you noted already)
[01:44] <Xamusk> yeah
[01:44] <ogra> the lts.conf doesnt support all classic ltsp setiings yet
[01:44] <Xamusk> and mdetect somehow detects both /dev/psaux and /dev/ttyS0, but gives psaux priority
[01:44] <ogra> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuLtsConfParams
[01:44] <ogra> see there
[01:45] <Xamusk> ogra, http://pastebin.com/449460 this is my lts.conf
[01:45] <Xamusk> as you can see, I've tried _many_ ways to get the mouse pointed to /dev/ttyS0
[01:46] <ogra> yup, but the ltsp implementation doesnt read it yet
[01:47] <Xamusk> ah, so it's a ltsp problem... :-(
[01:47] <Xamusk> is it ubuntu-specific or generic to all ltsp implementations?
[01:47] <ogra> its an age problem ;) our ltsp in breezy is very young ... there is a patch ...
[01:47] <ogra> its solved (untested) in dapper
[01:48] <ogra> let me look if i can find it in my bzr branch
[01:51] <Xamusk> impelemtation...?
[01:58] <ogra> hah, got it
[01:58] <ogra> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/5418
[01:59] <ogra> add the lines with the + in front to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/init.d/ltsp-client-setup
[02:00] <ogra> and omit the X_COLOR_DEPTH one, it wont work with breezy
[02:00] <Xamusk> ok
[02:00] <ogra> that should work ...
[02:02] <Xamusk> should I put it _after_ the "fi"?
[02:03] <Xamusk> I'm not very used to diffs and patches
[02:03] <ogra> yes, after the fi
[02:04] <Xamusk> thanks, I'll boot the client
[02:04] <ogra> yup, tra it :)
[02:04] <ogra> *try
[02:10] <Xamusk> didn't work
[02:11] <ogra> can you log in on the client at the console ?
[02:11] <Xamusk> ogra, yes
[02:11] <ogra> whats in your xorg.conf ?
[02:11] <ogra> didnt it catch up the setting ?
[02:12] <Xamusk> the mouse is pointing to /dev/input/mice
[02:12] <ogra> hrm ....
[02:12] <Xamusk> nope
[02:13] <ogra> can you paster the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/init.d/ltsp-client-setup from the server ?
[02:14] <Xamusk> yes
[02:15] <Xamusk> http://pastebin.com/449501
[02:16] <Xamusk> in boot, looks like the lines gave me six lines of output, 3 sets of 2 lines saying "0 value set \n 0 true"
[02:17] <Xamusk> the additions are in lines 123-126
[02:18] <ogra> hmm ...
[02:19] <ogra> the patch looks good ...
[02:19] <ogra> try to wipe the lts.conf and leave only the options you just added (plus the SERVER if its not the one you boot from)
[02:19] <ogra> and only the DEFAULT section
[02:20] <ogra> USE_XFS, LOCAL_APPS and X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION isnt supported and XSERVER is auto by default anyway
[02:21] <ogra> probably you must use "" around Y for X_MOUSE_EMULATE3BTN too
[02:22] <ogra> the getltsconf is very strict about the format afaik
[02:22] <Xamusk> hmmm
[02:22] <Xamusk> I didn't use because the examples I found didn't use too, but if you're saying that ubuntu isn't using the latest version of ltsp, then that could not apply
[02:23] <Xamusk> ok, booting again
[02:23] <Yagisan> evening all
[02:24] <ogra> Xamusk, ubuntu *is* the latest version of ltsp ... its newer than the one from ltsp.org ;)
[02:24] <ogra> thats why it doesnt support all options yet ;)
[02:24] <Yagisan> heh
[02:25] <Yagisan> docs written first ogra ? then the new implantation started :)
[02:28] <Xamusk> o_O
[02:28] <Xamusk> brb
[02:29] <Xamusk> strange
[02:30] <Xamusk> it says it couldn't find sermouse.ko (that I specified in lts.conf)
[02:30] <Yagisan> brb .oO(/me wonders why both his kids are night owls, and have chosen this exact moment to call for attention)
[02:30] <ogra> Xamusk, show me your new lts.conf
[02:33] <Xamusk> ogra, http://pastebin.com/449515
[02:33] <ogra> i'm pretty sure you need to omit the .ko ending btw
[02:33] <ogra> drop the s41 and s4 sections too... doesnt look like you'll need them ...
[02:34] <jsgotangco> hi guys
[02:34] <ogra> hey jsgotangco
[02:34] <Xamusk> ogra, well... I think it doesn't matter that much, as the sermouse module is being loaded, according to lsmod
[02:34] <jsgotangco> hey ogra how are you?
[02:34] <ogra> jsgotangco, fine ...
[02:34] <ogra> jsgotangco, linus made his first contribution to edubuntu on the weekend ;)
[02:35] <Xamusk> huh, I forgot that
[02:35] <ogra> so he can use it for his daughter
[02:35] <jsgotangco> oh? what did he do?
[02:36] <ogra> a little c tool that logs out a specified user after a certain amount of time
[02:37] <ogra> i'm about to write a pygtk gui for it and a little panel applet that pops into the notification area
[02:37] <jsgotangco> wow
[02:38] <jsgotangco> so he actually installed it that's awesome....
[02:39] <ogra> JaneW already asked for user feedback from hime ;)
[02:39] <ogra> -e
[02:40] <jsgotangco> wonder if he's subscribed to the list
[02:40] <jsgotangco> i got in contact with the release manager of firefox
[02:40] <jsgotangco> very energetic guy
[02:42] <ogra> he isnt, i'd have noticed that :)
[02:42] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[02:42] <jsgotangco> it would be nice to have him on the next edubuntu summit =)
[02:42] <ogra> but i didnt notice the tool was from him, so i'm probably to blind ...
[02:43] <ogra> highvoltage forwarded linus mail to me ... and i just looked suspicious over the code ... i realized that is was from linus when he told me today and i looked at it again *g*
[02:44] <jsgotangco> heh
[02:44] <ogra> i was already impressed by the cleaness of the code :)
[02:44] <jsgotangco> congratulations ogra, you're making tsunamis not waves already =)
[02:45] <ogra> hehe ....
[02:45] <ogra> yes, i'm pretty proud about that ...
[02:45] <jsgotangco> yes, you should be :)
[02:45] <jsgotangco> my seoul trip was awesome as well
[02:46] <zakame> ogra: w00t
[02:47] <ogra> i had a edubuntu workshop and a talk on the weekend ... there was much interest
[02:48] <jsgotangco> ogra, it was my first time speaking in a conference with a translator...
[02:48] <jsgotangco> it was interesting...
[02:48] <jsgotangco> even our roundtable was translated real time
[02:49] <ogra> wow
[02:49] <jsgotangco> sure at the start the translators verified keywords like what is "edubuntu", "Dapper", etc..
[02:49] <zakame> wow, a la UN :)
[02:49] <ogra> hehe
[02:49] <jsgotangco> zakame, yeah with the audience in those ear thingies
[02:50] <Xamusk> ogra, no advancement so far
[02:50] <ogra> :(
[02:50] <jsgotangco> asa gave me a spool of firefox stickers heh
[02:50] <jsgotangco> and erich (xandros) gave me 3 boxes of their product
[02:50] <zakame> ooh
[02:51] <Yagisan> re
[02:52] <ogra> Xamusk, sorry i'm out of ideas ... :/
[02:53] <Xamusk> the only thing I have left is to learn sed and make a script that changes xorg.conf _after_ it's overwritten by the init scripts
[02:53] <Xamusk> os download the dapper isos
[02:53] <Xamusk> or
[02:53] <ogra> you could supply a complete xorg.conf
[02:53] <Xamusk> how? I tried but no success
[02:53] <ogra> i havent tested dapper with serial mice yet ...
[02:53] <ogra> (i lack HW here ...)
[02:56] <Xamusk> oh, I have a lot of OLD computers... that's why I want ltsp... the computers are so old that, even having HDs, they are too slow to run OpenOffice
[02:58] <Yagisan> Xamusk: a relatively cheap hardware solution is a pci usb card if no usb, and a usb mouse
[02:58] <zakame> er is there a plan to have live cds for edubuntu? ulinskie was asking it earlier to me...
[02:58] <ogra> Xamusk, comment out the "dpkg-reconfigure -fnoninteractive -pcritical $xserver_package"
[02:59] <ogra> ... line in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/init.d/ltsp-client-setup
[02:59] <Yagisan> zakame: I was asked that too yesterday several times
[02:59] <ogra> then your xorg.conf in the chroot will be used ...
[02:59] <Yagisan> zakame: IIRC yes there are plans, but currently it doesn't fit
[03:00] <zakame> Yagisan: i see, thanks :)
[03:00] <ogra> Xamusk, but make sure th exorgconf in the chroot is right first
[03:01] <Xamusk> ogra, ok
[03:01] <Yagisan> zakame: considering how big it is, I'd suggest a live dvd (those 650MB cds are tiny)
[03:01] <ogra> normally the XF86CONFIG_FILE parameter in lts.conf should work as well
[03:02] <Xamusk> ogra, yes, it _should_
[03:02] <zakame> Yagisan: hehe, indeed... though dvds aren't common yet in my locale :/
[03:02] <ogra> but i'm not sure it applies if xorg is used ... thats rather for xfree86 setups
[03:02] <Xamusk> but it didn't when I tried...
[03:02] <Xamusk> indeed
[03:02] <ogra> did yu set it in colons ?
[03:02] <Xamusk> yes
[03:03] <Yagisan> zakame: I wonder if it would fit on a 700MB or 800MB cd ?
[03:03] <ogra>     if [ -n "$XF86CONFIG_FILE" ] ; then
[03:03] <ogra>         # User has specified a custom config
[03:03] <ogra>         cp "$XF86CONFIG_FILE" "$xserver_config"
[03:03] <ogra> hmm, the code indicates that it should be used in any case
[03:04] <ogra> where did you store the file ?
[03:04] <ogra> it must be in the chroot
[03:04] <ogra> the client doesnt see the server filesystem ...
[03:04] <Xamusk> ogra, I just typed XF86CONFIG_FILE = "xorg.conf"
[03:04] <zakame> Yagisan: hm depends on what we'd like to fit in it :)
[03:04] <ogra> Xamusk, you'll need a path, relative to the chroot ...
[03:05] <Xamusk> ogra, actually I read somewhere that the path is relative to /etc/X11/ in the chroot
[03:05] <ogra> i.e. /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/my_xorg.conf becomes XF86CONFIG_FILE = "etc/my_xorg.conf"
[03:05] <ogra> err
[03:05] <ogra>  XF86CONFIG_FILE = "/etc/my_xorg.conf"
[03:06] <ogra> nope it isnt ... according to th code above
[03:06] <Xamusk> oops
[03:06] <Xamusk> I read it wrongly
[03:06] <ogra> its just a cp ... and drops all autodetection
[03:08] <Xamusk> ok, trying again
[03:08] <Xamusk> I wish I could read code that easy
[03:09] <blue-frog> ogra, following the advise you gave me after having alook at my toolbox script I am trying to correct it. One thing though I don't understand. How should conf files (smb, ldap..) should be touched pls?
[03:09] <ogra> blue-frog, not at all ...
[03:10] <ogra> all the tools you use there are packaged in ubuntu, the right way woul be to have a debconf option in the package to create at specified config
[03:11] <blue-frog> ah ty can't do it then...
[03:12] <Xamusk> what would a lot of "NETDEV WATCHDOG" messages mean... it says "transmit timed out", but in the next line it says that eth0 link is up
[03:12] <ogra> hmm, sounds like a NIC driver issue
[03:12] <Yagisan> Xamusk: tends to indocate ACPI errors
[03:12] <Xamusk> hmmm
[03:12] <Yagisan> s/indocate/indicate
[03:13] <Xamusk> acpi... don't know if a pc that old has acpi... maybe something is loading (incorrectly) the acpi drivers
[03:13] <Yagisan> Xamusk: pass "acpi=off pci=noacpi" to the kernel boot paramters for the old box
[03:14] <Yagisan> Xamusk: old boxes (like mine) often have enough acpi to make eg Win98 happy, but it is broken
[03:14] <ogra> append it in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/pxelinux.cfg/default to the kernel line
[03:15] <Xamusk> ok
[03:15] <Yagisan> ogra: can we do that on a per box config ?
[03:16] <Xamusk> Yagisan, yes
[03:16] <Xamusk> Yagisan, the pxelinux tries to load a lot of files before falling down to default
[03:16] <ogra> Yagisan, not to my knowledge ... (patched gratefully accepted indeed ;) )
[03:16] <Yagisan> Xamusk: thanks, just wanted to double check
[03:17] <Xamusk> Yagisan, when loading in the client, it says which file it's tring to get (putting the MAC in the filename may do it)
[03:19] <Xamusk> ugh... that's what happens when one try to manual-edit too much in xorg.conf
[03:19] <Xamusk> where's the xf86cfg in a case like this
[03:20] <ogra> Xamusk, just remove the line again, let it autogenerate and scp the file from the console to the server ...
[03:20] <ogra> then edit the mouse settings
[03:22] <Xamusk> ogra, hehehe... too troublesome... I'll try to tweak it again... That's just because I tried some generic options and changed some names
[03:22] <ogra> too troublesome ? i guess thats the easiest way :)
[03:25] <Xamusk> but the best part is: the correct xorg.conf is there
[03:26] <Xamusk> the problem seems to be in the Screen section... I changed the Device name in only one place
[03:28] <Xamusk> ah
[03:28] <Xamusk> 4 minutes to boot a client is the true slow part
[03:28] <Yagisan> Xamusk: 4!! I take 2~3 on my p2/233
[03:29] <Xamusk> yeah :(
[03:29] <Yagisan> Xamusk: what is your box ? (congested network ?)
[03:29] <Xamusk> it looks like there are a lot of misconfigs
[03:29] <Xamusk> not really... I think
[03:29] <Xamusk> but maybe then it is
[03:30] <Xamusk> though this box is better than the previous I was testing, that took almost 8 minutes
[03:30] <ogra> woah ...
[03:30] <ogra> thats heavy
[03:30] <ogra> yup, mdz does the updates of the package ...
[03:30] <ogra> he had no time to inspect all my patches yet
[03:31] <ogra> should be updated during this week
[03:31] <ogra> at least he told me he would look over the patches during the week
[03:31] <Yagisan> Xamusk: Are you on a co-ax based network, or slower ? (PLIP :-P)
[03:31] <Yagisan> ogra: I though he was handing that over to you ?
[03:32] <ogra> Xamusk, its one of my main goals for dapper to get the booting donw to less than a minute ...
[03:32] <ogra> Yagisan, he can give his baby away it seems ...
[03:32] <ogra> *cant
[03:32] <Xamusk> Yagisan, on a what?
[03:32] <Xamusk> note: I'm not a pro admin
[03:33] <Yagisan> Xamusk: Co-axial cable (was that called 10base2 ? looks like tv cable)
[03:33] <ogra> do you have multiple cables you plug into a switch  ? or just one cable that runs past all te PCs ?
[03:34] <Yagisan> Xamusk: haven't used it in 7 years or so, but it was pretty slow (rather prone to rfi interference and collisions)
[03:34] <Xamusk> Yagisan, I thought those were fast (if not with a lot of sequential hosts)... but no, I'm in a plain ethernet... only don't know if the the client card is 10 or 100 mbps
[03:34] <Xamusk> ogra, hehehe... not _that_ anti-pro admin
[03:35] <Xamusk> ogra, just didn't understand the term
[03:37] <Xamusk> ogra, THANK YOU A LOT for making this work
[03:37] <ogra> i have the bootime down to 1 min in dapper currently ... but thats with this client : http://www.disklessworkstations.com/cgi-bin/web/200014.html?id=AowNeHn7
[03:37] <jsgotangco> see you guys later i still feel a bit dazed
[03:37] <ogra> ciao jsgotangco
[03:38] <Xamusk> now I have 20 mins before lunch to see how long OO.o takes to launch
[03:38] <ogra> Xamusk, youre welcome ,i learned a lot during supporting you ;)
[03:38] <ogra> i.e. we have to revisit the serial mouse thingie ;)
[03:39] <Xamusk> I have leaned a lot too... (didn't know about the ltsp-client-setup file)
[03:40] <Xamusk> that preseed syntax looks a lot like the preseed files I had to use when I remastered a debian cd
[03:40] <ogra> yes, its the same
[03:40] <ogra> i have to find out why the mouse settings dont get respected ...
[03:40] <Xamusk> only it's a lot more powerful
[03:40] <Yagisan> ogra: If you'd like to send me one of those, I'll just get my address details for you :-P
[03:40] <ogra> but first i have to get a working X server at all ... doent work in dapper yet
[03:41] <Xamusk> ogra, as you said before, they are not implemented yet
[03:41] <ogra> Yagisan, i only have the one ... donated from jim mc quillian (the inventor of ltsp)
[03:42] <ogra> Xamusk, they should work ... thats what bothers me ... there must be a prob in xorg itself
[03:42] <Yagisan> ogra: thought so - that's his company right ?
[03:42] <ogra> yup
[03:43] <ogra> i still have to make my list forcanonical, they will pay for another bunch, so i can test at least all the machines http://www.disklessworkstations.com offers
[03:43] <Yagisan> ogra: what you need for testing is something old and decrepit, with busted acpi and other interesting features :)
[03:44] <ogra> yes, i have a pI 133 here for etherboot testing, but havent tested yet ...
[03:44] <Yagisan> ogra: So, got any spare 486s or Pentium 1s ?
[03:44] <ogra> and another PII 233
[03:44] <ogra> no 486 anymore though ...
[03:44] <ogra> but since we say the minimum requirement is a PCI bus, i doubt i'll care for 486
[03:45] <ogra> they only had PCI in the last quater of their lifecycle
[03:46] <Xamusk> wow! 4MB!
[03:46] <Xamusk> when I had a 486 it only had a 1MB Trident
[03:46] <ogra> phew ... that gives small scrensizes :)
[03:46] <ogra> *screen
[03:47] <Xamusk> hehehe
[03:47] <Xamusk> I remember (in that time I used rwindows) that it pained in that place only to find a video driver that would get 256 colors
[03:47] <Yagisan> Xamusk: I was hunting for some voodoo 2's for the board before it broke - that would have been nice
[03:48] <Yagisan> I kept that box going for years, usb upgrades, disk upgrades
[03:48] <Xamusk> well... In my country, I haven't seen PCI-E boards yet
[03:48] <ogra> i know some brazilians using pci-e
[03:48] <ogra> but comercially in their companys ...
[03:49] <Xamusk> well... those must have been imported in quite a high price
[03:49] <Xamusk> by the way, how do you know I'm brazillian
[03:49] <Xamusk> ?
[03:50] <ogra> http://www.async.com.br/
[03:50] <ogra> your ip tells me ;)
[03:50] <Xamusk> hehehehe
[03:50] <Xamusk> thought that the second after
[04:09] <Xamusk> thank you again guys, I gotta leave now... if I have an update in my status, I'll let you know
[04:48] <Oge_> how should i mount users homedirectories, localted in win2003 dc. i want to separate linux and windows homedirectories because it's ugly when user browses own homedir from windows's "my documents" and there are .bashrc etc
[04:48] <Oge_> i mean, pam_mount or how?
[05:00] <Yagisan> night all
[05:00] <zakame> me too, gudnyt Yagisan ! :D
[05:01] <juliux> re
[05:08] <mhz> hi all
[05:09] <mhz> ogra: hi, mon. how are you doing?
[05:09] <ogra> fine, thanks ...
[05:09] <mhz> ogra: as I rm -rf my /home a couple of weeks ago, I lost my gpg stuff.
[05:10] <ogra> and you dont have a backup ?
[05:10] <mhz> Is it just a matter of resigning the Code?
[05:10] <juliux> hi mhz
[05:10] <ogra> its a matter of getting your new key signed again ...
[05:10] <mhz> juliux man, hi
[05:10] <mhz> ogra: okis
[05:10] <ogra> and then sign the CoC indeed
[05:11] <mhz> okis
[05:11] <mhz> ogra: juliux: i normally (the last 2 years
[05:11] <mhz> ogra: juliux: i normally (the last 2 years) use WebMail interfaces,  no local clients.
[05:11] <mhz> Any client you suggest I use?
[05:12] <juliux> mhz, evolution ?
[05:12] <mhz> (also good for GPG)
[05:12] <ogra> evolution
[05:12] <mhz> juliux: hmm, even if I do not use GNOME?
[05:12] <mhz> I mean, would that force me to install XY MB of libraries?
[05:12] <ogra> yup
[05:12] <juliux> mhz, evolution
[05:13] <mhz> hmmm *SIGHS*
[05:13] <ogra> but eolution is surely the easiest to use ...
[05:13] <juliux> mhz, an evolution roks
[05:13] <juliux> rocks
[05:13] <mhz> hehehe
[05:13] <ogra> you could try sylpheed or balsa ...
[05:13] <mhz> you 2 gnome people! :D
[05:13] <ogra> evo brings stuff like a calendar with it ... if you dont need that, the othe two might be an option
[05:14] <mhz> hmm, ogra of course, an AddreeBook + Calendar + ToDo stuff is nice when it's all interlinked to email :)
[05:14] <ogra> yup
[05:17] <mhz> do you know which is lighter and able to export to xml and/or .vcf?
[05:17] <mhz> dont tell me... evolution!
[05:17] <mhz> :D
[05:17] <ogra> evo can export vcs ... dunno about th eothers
[05:17] <ogra> err, vcf
[05:17] <mhz> ok.
[05:18] <juliux> ogra, what do you think about special menus for usergroups?
[05:18] <ogra> heh, you were not in my talk ;)
[05:18] <mhz> Maybe, if I am gonna endup installing additional libs (idea I dont like), I should also try KDE
[05:19] <mhz> ogra: how did it go with your talk?
[05:19] <juliux> ogra, no
[05:19] <juliux> ogra, i have to do the booth stuff
[05:19] <juliux> ogra, what is your plan? tell me
[05:19] <ogra> juliux, in dapper +1 i want to have menu profiles depending on the selected theme (age) and the teacher shall be able to select a profile for the class
[05:20] <juliux> ogra, but isn't it better if you have that for every user?
[05:20] <ogra> nope
[05:21] <ogra> to much maintenance work
[05:21] <mhz> indeed
[05:21] <juliux> ogra, because so you can say now he is in the 5th class he will have theme 1 and  menu 1, and 3 years laeter he is in the 8th class and he will have theme 2 and menu 2
[05:21] <ogra> have a look at dappers gcompris ... it has a nice class management interface
[05:21] <ogra> 3 years later we'll have some completely different setups ...
[05:22] <juliux> ogra, ok
[05:22] <mhz> juliux: I am wikiing an invitation work for LUG's or anyone interested in printing out and hand in to guests.
[05:22] <juliux> at first i will install dapper edubuntu
[05:22] <ogra> mhz, the talk was very good ...
[05:23] <ogra> juliux, wait until flight 2 is out ...
[05:23] <ogra> there is no dapper Cd yet
[05:23] <juliux> ogra, sure?
[05:23] <ogra> sue
[05:23] <mhz> ogra: excellent! more fans of breezy? (not asking about the electric appliances :D)
[05:23] <juliux> ogra, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current/ ?
[05:23] <ogra> juliux, i build it, so i should know ;)
[05:24] <ogra> look at the report.html file ;)
[05:24] <ogra> it wont work
[05:24] <juliux> ok
[05:24] <ogra> this will get solved this week .... before it is solved we wont have flight 2
[05:25] <ogra> if you want to go on with testing, keep the iso and rsync it in the future ... rsyncing normally takes only 10-20 min (german DSL) instead of 2h
[05:29] <juliux> ogra, i need for a complet cd iso 6-8min
[05:29] <ogra> ah, i forgot, you have the uni :)
[05:29] <juliux> hehe
[05:46] <mhz> juliux and ogra, please see http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInvitationArtwork . Feedback is appreciated
[06:24] <mhz> re
[06:28] <Lord_Athur> hi
[06:29] <mhz> hey Lord_Athur
[06:29] <Lord_Athur> dime
[06:29] <mhz> voy saliendo a dejar a mi hija la jardin y vuelvo en 30-40 mins tops.
[06:30] <mhz> Lord_Athur: also, we have #edubuntu-es :D
[06:37] <johnpd> Hi all... Just installed the edubuntu on a spare server at school... how do I go about connecting the thin client after I've ran the dhcp server? Also is it possible not to use the DHCP and use one I have already. Thanks
[06:39] <ogra> if its a linux dhcp server and you can specify "filename" and "rootpath" directives then sure, i don know about win dhcp servers ...
[06:40] <ogra> johnpd, did you read http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes ?
[06:41] <johnpd> Yes but there is limited info there
[06:42] <johnpd> that does not answer my question about conflicting DHCP servers, or how the net card boots the system
[06:42] <ogra> thats enough to set up the default installation... inded it doesnt cover your case
[06:42] <johnpd> I'm trying an enclosed setup in an hour to just see how it looks
[06:43] <ogra> edubuntu is a one classroom release, so it covers enough for that ... the booting happens through PXE
[06:43] <johnpd> PXE oo I know a little about that, but I couldn't find any notes that said how it worked. Thanks
[06:43] <ogra> there are dhcp options you can set if yu run more than one server
[06:44] <johnpd> I could do with a floppy boot process in case the bios does not support net boot, is there one available?
[06:45] <ogra> you can generate it very easy at http://rom-o-matic.net/5.4.1/
[06:45] <ogra> dont forget to check the PXE options ...
[06:45] <ogra> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/BootingClientsWithoutPxe
[06:45] <ogra> ^^there is some detailed info
[06:46] <johnpd> I have yet to get to grips with the formatting of Wiki's... So used to text files
[06:46] <ogra> for your dhcpd issue, have a look at the next-server directive ... i think its also documented in the ltsp.org wiki
[06:46] <johnpd>  next-server directive is something i've not heard of, but I'll read up on it
[06:47] <ogra> while the preferred method should always be to have only one dhcp server in your net ...
[06:47] <ogra> it saves you maintenance work ...
[06:48] <johnpd> is it possible to not have dhcp but to just have PXE boot from LTSP and windows providing the DHCP?
[06:48] <ogra> if you have the possibility to set filename and rootpath and a range for the thin clients on your existing server, i'd always choose this option ...
[06:48] <ogra> i dont know anything about windows dhcp ...
[06:48] <johnpd> SO i could set a static range? I have one already in school I could use
[06:49] <johnpd> <IP_ADDRESS> onwards is static
[06:49] <ogra> anther option is to have two NICs in the server and server the thin clients separately over the second NIC (probably the easiest)
[06:50] <johnpd> I see , that could have problems later on if I wanted more than 1 room on different switches working with the system
[06:50] <ogra> the only important thing is that you can tell the clients where to get their kernel from (filename under linux) and where to mount the rootpath
[06:50] <ogra> if your win dhcp supports that, all should be fine ...
[06:51] <johnpd> Ok so if my win dhcp supports filename and rootpath then im ok.... i'd have 2 check
[06:51] <johnpd> looks like im going to go down the 1 room switch approach with 2 net cards
[06:51] <johnpd> Though in the future I'd like a site wide LTSP of edubuntu
[06:52] <ogra> cool :)
[06:52] <johnpd> Licenses cost a lot and the science department already know about Linux especially for making LaTeX stuff
[06:52] <johnpd> (this is a secondary school/college)
[06:52] <johnpd> we are in Staffordshire , England
[06:53] <ogra> that sounds really promising :)
[06:53] <johnpd> About 3 years ago I looked into LTSP
[06:53] <johnpd> but having read about Edubuntu I thought I'd go for it
[06:54] <johnpd> We have a Cisco lab which I am going to use it in, as they could use terminal to try out some of their tests on the routers via serial interface
[06:54] <ogra> it carries a completely new implementation of ltsp which ltsp.org is adopting too as their next version
[06:54] <johnpd> that's encouraging for edubuntu, they must have worked hard on ltsp
[06:55] <ogra> yes, we did ... but it still has its drawbacks that we're currently solving
[06:55] <ogra> (it boots slow, the login manager is quite ugly, no sound support yet etc)
[06:56] <johnpd> Thats a positive thing in my book, sound cards in schools only encourage music downloading
[06:56] <ogra> s/boots/777777boots the clients
[06:56] <ogra> oops ...
[06:56] <ogra> s/boots/boots the clients/
[06:56] <ogra> true ...
[06:57] <johnpd> How do you make user accounts for the thin clients?
[06:57] <ogra> but we'll have sound by default in the next release (which you can optionally disable indeed)
[06:57] <ogra> currently only on the server with the user and groups tool ...
[06:57] <johnpd> ahhh thats ok
[06:57] <ogra> we have no ldap solution yet ...
[06:57] <ogra> that will have to wait until october ...
[06:57] <johnpd> If it did Edubuntu would kick arse
[06:58] <johnpd> So thats your expected release for a beta or a full version?
[06:58] <ogra> yes, but for the next release we are only allowed to do polishing work, it will be supported for 5 years, so the new improvements have to wait for the next release
[06:59] <ogra> we release every 6 months a full version ...
[06:59] <johnpd> we could always make a startup script that mounts the users home directory?
[06:59] <ogra> dapper, the current development branch will release in april
[06:59] <ogra> sure
[06:59] <johnpd> on our windows network that would be \\server1\username$
[06:59] <ogra> dapper+1 will release in october ...
[07:00] <spacey> you can use ldap on edubuntu already ofcourse
[07:00] <spacey> but its not default
[07:00] <spacey> but if you know what your doing, its quite easy
[07:00] <spacey> at least we use it :P
[07:00] <ogra> yes, some people do, we just dont offer tools that re integrated nicely yet
[07:00] <johnpd> I guess most Edubuntu systems would be running standalone classes and no LDAP connection
[07:00] <ogra> spacey, have you heard that linus contributs to edubuntu now ?
[07:01] <spacey> ogra, i read over it quickly but not detailed
[07:01] <spacey> what did he contribute?
[07:01] <vmarks> we have an ldap connection actually.
[07:01] <ogra> johnpd, my big target is to once be able to supply a whole school environment including municipalities ...
[07:02] <ogra> spacey, a little tool he uses to log out his daughter after 1h ... i'll package it and wrap a gui around it ... with a little timer for the notification area
[07:02] <johnpd> Thats a nice thing to know you want to get that far, as the schools have been looking all over for a system like this
[07:02] <spacey> ogra, thats cute :)
[07:03] <ogra> yup
[07:03] <johnpd> vmarks how is your system configured , i.e ebubuntu with windows dhcp?
[07:03] <spacey> did he write it in python?:P
[07:03] <ogra> nope, its c
[07:03] <spacey> ah ok :P
[07:03] <ogra> the fun stuff is, that i didnt notice that it was from him at all :p
[07:04] <ogra> i just took a glance over the text and looked at the attached tgz ...
[07:04] <ogra> and was astonished about the clean code
[07:04] <spacey> :P
[07:04] <ogra> this morning highvoltage asked me if i got linus mail ... and i didnt get what he was talking about ...
[07:05] <ogra> until i looked again *g*
[07:05] <spacey> yeah i think i read that part
[07:05] <spacey> quite cool :)
[07:05] <ogra> yeah
[07:05] <ogra> jane alreadys asked fro a user feedback report ;)
[07:05] <mhz_BBS> re
[07:06] <spacey> hehe
[07:06] <spacey> i'm going to cook some delicious food for my girlfriend :P see you later
[07:06] <ogra> having that one, i doubt we have to fear lack of contributors ;)
[07:06] <ogra> have fun :)
[07:06] <spacey> next linus stops kernel dev and focus on edubuntu ;p
[07:06] <ogra> lol
[07:06] <johnpd> lol
[07:07] <ogra> hopefully not, he'd get me out of business :)
[07:07] <johnpd> or is it funny, he might just do that!
[07:07] <spacey> "i liked to colours"
[07:08] <ogra> ... and i like my job ;)
[07:08] <johnpd> Ok Ogra thanks for your help, I'm going to give it a go in a minute
[07:08] <johnpd> hopefully my knowledge of nix' comes back to me in time
[07:08] <ogra> johnpd, great ... just come back if there are questions
[07:08] <johnpd> I've got my SAMS 1981 copy of Unix unleased on the shelf
[07:09] <johnpd> ok l8rs all... thanks again
[07:11] <mhz> ogra: I would like to create some specs for EdubuntuStudyContent and I tried to use LP for that, unsucessfully. Isn't LP for that?
[07:11] <ogra> sure it is
[07:12] <mhz> hmm, I saw no "CreateSpecs" link or button :)
[07:15] <ogra> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+specs
[07:15] <ogra> there is one indeed
[07:15] <ogra> you need to assign it to the distro
[07:15] <mhz> aaahhhhhh
[07:16] <mhz> I was doing it from the Team page :( duh!
[07:23] <eniac1111> hi all
[07:24] <mhz> hi
[07:24] <_eniac_> please, help!
[07:25] <_eniac_> from where i can download driver for
[07:25] <mhz> ?
[07:25] <_eniac_> pci match64 VT video card
[07:25] <_eniac_> for windows
[07:25] <_eniac_> 95
[07:25] <ogra> no idea ...
[07:26] <mhz> _eniac_: oooops, not a single clue
[07:26] <ogra> i'd guess from ati
[07:26] <_eniac_> this is video card from 1997
[07:26] <ogra> but i doubt they support 95
[07:26] <_eniac_> oh, no!
[07:26] <ogra> 95 is long dead
[07:26] <_eniac_> this is for my teacher!
[07:26] <ogra> as 98 is
[07:27] <_eniac_> my teacher had old motherboard, processor, dvd, v-card...
[07:28] <_eniac_> and he
[07:28] <_eniac_> guived me
[07:29] <_eniac_> evdb
[07:29] <_eniac_> swrg
[07:29] <_eniac_> sy
[07:29] <_eniac_> sorry
[07:30] <_eniac_> i have no batteries forkeyboard...
[07:30] <_eniac_> and he guived me co acemble one old pc
[07:30] <_eniac_> writing machine
[07:30] <_eniac_> wint printer...
[07:31] <_eniac_> with
[07:40] <_eniac_> the parameters is: 150mhz, 40mb ram and 200 mb hdd.
[07:40] <_eniac_> super technology!
[07:40] <_eniac_> :-)
[07:41] <_eniac_> can i install ubuntu or other linux in this pc?
[07:43] <ogra> nope
[07:44] <ogra> not ubuntu ...
[07:44] <ogra> that requires more than 200MB if you want X and gui ... even with a small one ...
[07:45] <ogra> look at damn small linux but that will require a lot of manual work for egtting the printer to work etc
[07:45] <_eniac_> i foun one distro for old machines
[07:47] <_eniac_> I have found
[07:52] <_eniac_> named delilinux
[07:55] <_eniac_> http://www.delilinux.de/deli1.png
[07:57] <_eniac_> YES!!!!
[07:57] <_eniac_> The trick is, that DeLi Linux uses only "lightweight" alternative software. If you are looking for the newest KDE, GNOME or Mozilla, DeLi Linux will not make you happy. The test computer is a 486 laptop with 16 MB RAM, and all apps which comes with DeLi Linux are running smoothly.
[08:34] <johnpd> Hi again, thanks Ogra it's working now with my internal network, it's a beast!
[08:34] <johnpd> I've found a website for my dhcp windows query at http://unattended.sourceforge.net/pxe-win2k.html which tells me how to setup a linux bootstrap etc
[08:35] <ogra> cool :)
[08:35] <johnpd> I could not believe how easy it was
[08:35] <johnpd> at most of times I don't know what i'm doing
[08:36] <johnpd> hehe i just guess and i either break it or bodge it
[08:36] <ogra> heh
[08:36] <johnpd> so i read there is a bug with a timeout, but i've not noticed it
[08:36] <johnpd> timeout on the ltsp
[08:37] <ogra> yes, it should be fixed ...
[08:38] <johnpd> oh good. Well If i manage to get the windows 2k dhcp thingy working I'll post it on the wiki
[08:38] <johnpd> are there any beta bolt on guis that might help with administration?
[08:38] <ogra> that'd be very nice  :)
[08:39] <ogra> not yet ... there is something in pre alpha state i havent packaged y<et
[08:39] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/LTSPManager/
[08:40] <johnpd> Oh I'll have a play on a test bed with that then
[08:40] <ogra> but for normal system tasks you can use all the tools in the System menu
[08:40] <johnpd> Yeh I found the users/group part to be straight forward
[08:40] <johnpd> in unix where do you put the startup scripts for logon?
[08:41] <ogra> you could put them in /etc/skel
[08:41] <johnpd> I would like a systemwide logon map folder script
[08:42] <johnpd> I guess I should be using google for this and not asking you
[08:42] <johnpd> :)
[08:42] <johnpd> slightly lazy of me
[08:42] <ogra>  /etc/skel is fine for systemwide stuff
[08:43] <ogra> if you dont forget you did put it there :)
[08:43] <johnpd> Yeh it's gonna be fine for the shared folder stuff and printer maps
[08:44] <johnpd> Can you add software to the server LTSP and it show up on the thin clients ? I have not tested that
[08:44] <ogra> everything you dd to the server will appear on the clients
[08:45] <johnpd> Ohh wikid
[08:45] <johnpd> so my server is like my build area...
[08:45] <bob13> is there a power pc version?
[08:45] <bob13> anyone?
[08:45] <johnpd> We have 10 macs at school, that would be interesting
[08:46] <ogra> bob13, nope
[08:46] <bob13> orga: will they come out with one?
[08:46] <ogra> bob13, not for breezy, i didnt find enough testers for the last release ...
[08:46] <bob13> to bad. A lot of schools uses apple
[08:46] <bob13> a lot of imacs
[08:46] <ogra> i just ordered a iMac to at least be able to do the install tests this time
[08:47] <johnpd> If I like edubuntu I will donate some money your way then
[08:47] <johnpd> from school funds of course
[08:47] <ogra> we discovered a heavy bug at release day, so i had to pull back the ppc version
[08:48] <bob13> ogra: so you might come out witha ppc version later.
[08:48] <johnpd> is there a way to donate paypal money to the developers? {then I better run, I want to get back to playing}
[08:48] <ogra> no...
[08:48] <ogra> i *will*
[08:48] <ogra> not *might* ;)
[08:48] <bob13> LOL
[08:49] <ogra> johnpd, hmm, good question, i'll have to talk to my manager about that if she's here tomorrow ;)
[08:49] <bob13> ok I hope you do come out with a ppc version. I do know school here in california would love to see a ppc version
[08:49] <johnpd> you'd have thought the governments would be supporting projects like this
[08:50] <johnpd> well if you find out email me at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:50] <ogra> johnpd, in fact i'm fulltime employed ubuntu developer so i dont really know, but i guess we have a possibility to donate ...
[08:50] <ogra> i will :)
[08:50] <johnpd> ok, catch you l8rs
[08:50] <johnpd> c u bob13
[08:50] <ogra> ciao :)
[08:50] <bob13> ogra: is your websites done in plone?
[08:51] <ogra> the ubuntu one ?
[08:51] <ogra> not sure, it used to be plone ...
[08:51] <bob13> well actually all of them
[08:51] <bob13> looks like plone
[08:51] <ogra> i know we changed a bunch ...
[08:52] <ogra> but i'm not working on website stuff, so i'm not sure ...
[08:52] <bob13> ok.. cool project. I hope to see a ppc version in the future.
[09:47] <mhz> ogra: I still try imagine what benfits will LP bring to teams we create there? Could gimme some ideas?
[09:48] <spacey> LP?
[09:48] <mhz> jelkner: hi
[09:48] <mhz> spacey: LaunchPad
[09:48] <mhz> :)
[09:48] <jelkner> and how are you mhz?
[09:49] <mhz> jelkner: very thx, Mr. Elkner
[09:49] <jelkner> i never wrote back to you about the language issue
[09:49] <mhz> indeed
[09:49] <jelkner> the reason is that edubuntu doesn't let you choose languages yet
[09:49] <jelkner> you do that in gdm
[09:49] <jelkner> and edubuntu doesn't use gdm
[09:49] <mhz> hmmmmmm?
[09:50] <jelkner> when you are loggin in, you select the language you want
[09:50] <mhz> oh, you wanted to do that per client basis?
[09:50] <jelkner> absolutely
[09:50] <mhz> duh!
[09:50] <jelkner> that's the point
[09:50] <jelkner> we are in a multi-lingual environment
[09:50] <jelkner> i want each user to pick their own language
[09:50] <mhz> I never got that Part! sorry. However, the server I use is meant for spanish speakersonly, so I did change it.
[09:50] <jelkner> anyway, oliver said it will be fixed by dapper
[09:51] <mhz> jelkner: yup, dapper
[09:51] <jelkner> i have a question for anyone here
[09:51] <mhz> I aplologyze for missing that essential part
[09:51] <jelkner> i'm trying to do a new ubuntu install on a laptop
[09:51] <jelkner> mhz: no, thanks for the info, it works great on stand alone machines
[09:51] <jelkner> and now i know what to do for dapper
[09:52] <mhz> hehe, yeah
[09:52] <jelkner> anyway, i'm installing on a toshiba satellite m45-s269
[09:52] <mhz> okis
[09:52] <jelkner> it installs fine
[09:52] <mhz> cool
[09:52] <jelkner> but i can't get networking to work
[09:52] <jelkner> at all
[09:52] <mhz> (in my laptops, too)
[09:52] <mhz> ?
[09:52] <mhz> sure?
[09:52] <jelkner> the devices are recognized
[09:53] <jelkner> on board wireless and nic
[09:53] <jelkner> but when i try to configure them i can't get an address (using dhcp)
[09:53] <jelkner> if i assign a static one it appear to be set but i can't ping past myself
[09:53] <mhz> have you tried crossover cable between 2 machines?
[09:53] <jelkner> any ideas
[09:54] <jelkner> these folks are new to ubuntu and willing to say bye to windozs, but they need networking!
[09:54] <mhz> of course!
[09:54] <jelkner> any ideas?
[09:54] <mhz> jelkner: you are installing ubuntu or edubuntu?
[09:54] <jelkner> ubuntu
[09:55] <jelkner> i tried plugging in a pcmica card that i know works, but it did not detect it
[09:55] <mhz> and your are configuring NIC's via GUI or commandline?
[09:55] <jelkner> i tried both
[09:56] <mhz> yeah, but how did you try to assign static IP via command line"?
[09:56] <jelkner> ifconfig eth0 <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:57] <jelkner> my hunch is it is that bug related to addresses for pcmcia devices
[09:57] <jelkner> although the fact that both devices show up has me perplexed
[09:57] <mhz> oh, all NIC's you are trying are PCMCIA?
[09:57] <jelkner> to tell you the truth, i don't know
[09:57] <mhz> hehehe
[09:58] <jelkner> are on-board devices like that pcmcia on a laptop?
[09:58] <bluefrog-10> did you look at /etc/network/interfaces if it seems right in there?
[09:58] <jelkner> hold on...
[09:58] <mhz> my laptops with ubuntu, all have NIC built-in.
[09:59] <jelkner> this is built-in too
[09:59] <mhz> jelkner: however, everytime I had trouble with networking, it has been:  /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/network/interfaces
[09:59] <jelkner> /etc/network/interfaces has only:
[10:00] <jelkner> mapping hotplug
[10:00] <jelkner>   script grep
[10:00] <jelkner>   map eth0
[10:00] <jelkner> that's it
[10:00] <mhz> try this...
[10:00] <jelkner> ok
[10:00] <mhz> ifconfig eth0 <IP_ADDRESS> up
[10:01] <mhz> route add -net default gw 192.168.0.XYZ netmask <IP_ADDRESS> metric 1
[10:01] <mhz> do change XYZ :D
[10:02] <jelkner> do you literally want me to type XYZ?
[10:02] <mhz> then ping the gw address you specified
[10:02] <mhz> nope :D
[10:02] <jelkner> oh .1 ?
[10:02] <jelkner> lol
[10:02] <mhz> do change XYZ :D
[10:02] <mhz> jejejeje
[10:03] <mhz> and I HOPE you have no other machine with <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:04] <jelkner> yeah, there is something wrong with the module
[10:05] <jelkner> i can ping myself, but not the gateway
[10:05] <jelkner> wireless is having the same problem
[10:05] <jelkner> i'm going to file a bugzilla report
[10:06] <jelkner> but i would like to find a solution
[10:06] <jelkner> no, there is no other machine with <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:07] <jelkner> and dhcp should have worked if the device was working properly
[10:08] <mhz> indeed.
[10:08] <jelkner> what package would this be?
[10:08] <mhz> indeed.i had problems with the 'maping' default config
[10:08] <mhz> so I just edited /interfaces
[10:09] <jelkner> how?
[10:09] <jelkner> should i be doing some kind of lsmod and modprobe stuff?
[10:09] <jelkner> i've done that before, but i forget what to do
[10:10] <mhz> jelkner: if you say your built-in NIC is working, no need to load modules at all
[10:10] <jelkner> it isn't working
[10:10] <jelkner> it is visible to the system, but it is not working
[10:11] <jelkner> i can't get any networking at all
[10:11] <jelkner> ogra: oliver, how goes it?
[10:11] <ogra> a bit stressed ... to much work tonight
[10:12] <jelkner> sorry to hear that
[10:12] <jelkner> i started a dapper edubuntu server today
[10:12] <jelkner> i couldn't install from today's iso
[10:12] <ogra> you cant yet
[10:13] <ogra> i told you so ...
[10:13] <ogra> if flight 2 is announced it will be installable, as i said last meeting
[10:15] <jelkner> ok
[10:15] <jelkner> but i did this:
[10:15] <jelkner> 1. install breezy server
[10:15] <jelkner> 2. dist-upgrade to dapper
[10:16] <jelkner> 3. apt-get install edubuntu-server
[10:16] <mhz> jelkner: I am /quering ya
[10:17] <jelkner> mhz: i can see you, but you can't see me
[10:17] <jelkner> can you try again, i just identified myself to nickserv
[11:12] <jelkner> mhz: you still here?
[11:14] <tsurc> hi, anyone know if dapper will have local disk access for ltsp?
[11:16] <jelkner> tsurc: yes, it will
[11:16] <jelkner> usb, floppy, and cdrom
[11:16] <ogra> tsurc, its planned, but i cant promise it at this point of development
[11:17] <jelkner> ogra: really? we may not have local devise access?
[11:17] <ogra> jelkner, i cant promise it, as i said in the last meeting
[11:18] <ogra> it relies on time of others where i have no influence ...
[11:18] <jelkner> ok, i'll bring it up on wednesday
[11:18] <ogra> i can promise faster boot, lower mem usage, usplash and sound
[11:18] <ogra> that wont help
[11:18] <jelkner> what will help
[11:18] <tsurc> fantastic, I work at a school in uk. we are using ltsp with deb at the mo
[11:18] <jelkner> ?
[11:18] <mhz> jelkner: yup
[11:19] <jelkner> local devices are extremely important
[11:19] <ogra> nad extremely complicated and time consuming to implement
[11:19] <jelkner> mhz: how do we start a chat?
[11:19] <mhz> type /query mynick
[11:21] <tsurc> I am kinda a newbie really, but I really wana help out. esp with LTSP intigration What could I do?
[11:21] <ogra> jelkner, i'll have a meeting with mdz and scott balneaves wher we'll discuss the task, i can give more info afterwards, but its not sure mdz will have time before the next edubuntu meeting
[11:22] <jelkner> ogra: ok, i'll stay tuned
[11:23] <jelkner> i just need to know as soon as possible so i can let folks down gently (and figure out what else to do) in the labs we have already setup
[11:23] <jelkner> i've been telling them they will have a way to save data by april
[11:24] <jelkner> thanks
[11:24] <ogra> jelkner, having a spec doesnt mean something is implement ...
[11:24] <jelkner> i understand
[11:24] <ogra> see the many breezy specs that werent done
[11:25] <jelkner> but like i said in montreal, without a way to save data, we really don't have edubuntu
[11:25] <ogra> its a matter of time ...
[11:25] <jelkner> i know you can't do more than can be done
[11:25] <ogra> yes, but i have deadlines i have to match, if its not in by end of feb, it wont be in
[11:26] <ogra> and i wont promise stuf i havent yet locally ... all i listed above is running here ...
[11:26] <tsurc> Does anyone know if there is any way that I could say monitor what a sutudent is doing, and if they are misbehaving log them out forcefully?
[11:27] <ogra> tsurc, i started a tool called student-control-panel, its in dapper
[11:27] <ogra> sinceits 100% python you could use the beta version from dapper, search at packages.ubuntu.com
[11:28] <tsurc> we have a problem esp' at lunch when the kids can come and do homework in the labs, problem is most are on swf and java games. thrashes the gutts out the servers
[11:28] <ogra> it shows the students process list and enables you to log them out
[11:28] <tsurc> is it in breezy-backports?
[11:29] <tsurc> that sound great
[11:29] <ogra> nope, ts not ready enough yet for a backport
[11:29] <ogra> i want at least all basic functions in or omit te bttons for the stuff that doesnt work before asking for a backport
[11:30] <ogra> an its nt high riority currently
[11:30] <tsurc> would it work on deb?
[11:30] <ogra> if you have the ltsp version we use, yes
[11:31] <ogra> i doubt it works with clssic ltsp
[11:32] <tsurc> thanks for that, where can i find more info. (Got to get up early in the morn')
[11:33] <ogra> more info about student-control-panel ? edubuntu ? ubuntu ltsp ?
[11:33] <tsurc> all of the above, esp student-control-panel
[11:34] <tsurc> know about the wiki.edbuntu.org
[11:34] <ogra> i have a bzr archive of it if yo want to contribute or know contributors
[11:34] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/
[11:35] <ogra> if you bzr branch it and can put your branch online, i'll greatfully merge every contribution ... else, there is no docu yet
[11:36] <ogra> a outline of what it shall be one day is on the wiki, see TeachersPet
[11:36] <tsurc> yeh pleased to. thanks again.. not really a programmer, know a few. More of a docu type.
[11:36] <ogra> thats fine too :)
[11:36] <tsurc> every little counts though
[11:36] <tsurc> gtg
[11:37] <ogra> i'd like to have the processlist and ability to shut down processes done, as well as a vnc option and remote execution of apps ...
[11:37] <ogra> beyond what is there now ...
[11:37] <tsurc> sounds good
[11:37] <ogra> but as i said, not highest priority
[11:38] <ogra> ok, sleep well :)
[11:38] <tsurc> bye
[11:38] <ogra> ciao
[11:38] <tsurc> u2
[11:57] <reinaldo> mhz, tas?
[11:57] <reinaldo> mhz, una consulta
[11:58] <reinaldo> ping mhz


[00:00] <Azimuth> anybody in here know anything about mythbuntu?   :)
[00:01] <Azimuth> I thnk I have permission problems, but need some confirmation.
[00:10] <new2linx> Azimuth, i know a little but
[00:10] <new2linx> but-bit  ha ha ha
[00:10] <new2linx> superm1, oh, ok. how do i enable mythbuntu to show anything mounted on the desktop?
[00:11] <Azimuth> I know a little bit too and it has gotten me into more trouble....
[00:11] <new2linx> Azimuth, ask away
[00:12] <new2linx> superm1, are you aware of a way to bulk update 800 movies with metadata for mythvideo using the tmdb.pl? i don't like the fact that i have to go into video manager and click on search for all these moveis just to get them filled in with metadata
[00:13] <new2linx> Azimuth, listening and wondering what your question is
[00:13] <Azimuth> Mythbuntu 8.04, I need to know permissions on /var/lib/mythtv
[00:13] <Azimuth> owner and group would help too.
[00:14] <new2linx> Azimuth, drwxrwxr-x  14 mythtv        mythtv        4096 2009-07-17 01:00 mythtv
[00:14] <new2linx> thats the output from ls -la /var/lib/ | grep mythtv
[00:17] <Azimuth> I don't understand why, but that folder has root as an owner here. Mythtv quit recording, livetv and it can't find it's recordings.
[00:18] <new2linx> you need to change it to owner and group mythtv as mine is. mine is working fine
[00:18] <Azimuth> I wanted to check before I went changing it.
[00:19] <Azimuth> thanks new2linx , that should do the trick.
[00:24] <Azimuth> I am setup weird, so something could have changed it. I have /var on it's own physical 1TB drive.
[00:38] <Azimuth> that didn't do it. I do not show a user by the name of mythtv in the User Administration Tool, should I?
[00:41] <new2linx> Azimuth, yes, you should
[00:42] <Azimuth> That is what I thought and it won't let me ad mythtv there, says there is already a user by that name....
[01:34] <Greek-Boy> I can't seem to get my WinTv-NOVA-SD2 to scan for channels or lock onto a sattelite. I am on Mythbuntu and using the latest drivers. Any ideas? I also tried to scan for channels outside mythtv using "scan" and "kaffeine" still nothing
[01:55] <chris99_> Anyone have an issue or is it know as one that the internal player will just jump back when watching videos?
[01:56] <Greek-Boy> I can't seem to get my WinTv-NOVA-SD2 to scan for channels or lock onto a sattelite. I am on Mythbuntu and using the latest drivers. Any ideas? I also tried to scan for channels outside mythtv using "scan" and "kaffeine" still nothing
[03:10] <mazda01> anyone help please. i am seeing this in the remote frontend log. a whole mess of them. 2009-08-05 21:05:33.801 MythSocket(9d4224f8:-1): writeStringList: Error, called with unconnected socket. 2009-08-05 21:05:33.801 MythSocket(9d4224f8:-1): readStringList: Error, called with unconnected socket. 2009-08-05 21:05:33.801 RemoteEncoder::SendReceiveStringList(): No response.  i see that when I try to playback the pvr-350 card from the m
[03:10] <mazda01> aster backend on the remote frontend
[03:22] <mazda01> when trying to start mythfrontend --verbose from the command line, I am seeing this: Unable to read configuration file mysql.txt
[04:41] <neoteny> the last time i had mythtv set up there was some plug in which let me go to internet tv sites.  but i can't find it now.  can i do that with a 'normal' mythbuntu installation or is there some plugin i need ot install?
[13:15] <Essobi_> Morning peebles.
[13:35] <rascal999> !help
[13:35] <Zinn> !help For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].
[13:35] <rascal999> !help gui
[13:35] <Zinn> !help gui For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].
[13:36] <rascal999> do i need a gui for mythbuntu, and can i disable it if i don't?
[14:15] <rascal999> under video source i have set it to scan for info on eit only but i still get unknown in the descriptions, how come?
[16:43] <Essobi> WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
[17:20] <styelz> poo
[17:29] <Greek-Boy> I can't seem to get my WinTv-NOVA-SD2 to scan for channels or lock onto a sattelite. I am on Mythbuntu and using the latest drivers. Any ideas? I also tried to scan for channels outside mythtv using "scan" and "kaffeine" still nothing
[18:03] <mazda01> what in mythtv frontend allows me to export a recording to a dvd? i see mythexport but that want's to install mythtv-backend and this machine is only a frontend. i see that I can use mythexport to make portable media files but I want a plugin to burn muplitple recordings onto a dvd. do any exist?
[18:30] <rhpot1991> mazda01: mytharchive
[18:30] <rhpot1991> IIRC its included by default anymore too
[18:30] <rhpot1991> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mytharchive
[19:57] <mazda01> rhpot1991, i see that now. sorry. i am trying to run it now and I am seeing traceback. one of them is file "/usr/share/mythtv/mytharchieve/scripts/mythburn.py", line 5434, in main processJob(job). is that bad?
[19:59] <mazda01> rhpot1991, i am using the mythbuntu weekly builds repo the -fixes branch. when I look in the mytharchieve directory, there are 3 fodlers created, config, logs, and work, when I look in work, theres 1 and 2 folders. when I look in 1 and 2, I do see a newfile.mpg but when will i know if it's done burning the recordings to dvd? the log hasn't moved in a long time.
[20:02] <rhpot1991> mazda01: the interface reads the log file and should be spamming out info on whats goin gon
[20:11] <mazda01> rhpot1991, yeah, I am getting those traceback errors and i don't know what to make of them. then there's nothing, the log file just stops. here's what it reads:  http://pastebin.com/f43b9e8d9 and then the mythburn log reads this: http://pastebin.com/f2b0b4c8f
[20:13] <mazda01> rhpot1991, maybe i can't run mytharchieve from a remote frontend? i see this in the log file. btaining MythTV settings from MySQL database for hostname core2duo  adn the mysql database is on a remote mythbackend host named dell.
[20:20] <rhpot1991> chmod: changing permissions of `/var/lib/mytharchive/temp/': Operation not permitted
[20:20] <rhpot1991> you have a permission or path issue there
[23:22] <mazda01> rhpot1991, i would have thought the mytharchieve would work from remote frontends. should it?
[23:22] <mazda01> rhpot1991, i fixed the permissions issue right away, then tried again but still got those traceback errors.


[12:33] <samuel> hola tengo un problema con xubuntu con el wifi
[12:33] <gnrp> !es
[12:33] <dzboudjema> @samuel same here it drives me crazy
[12:33] <gnrp> samuel: In general though, if you have a wifi problem, this is more a problem with ubuntu than with xubuntu
[12:33] <gnrp> well, or even a general linux problem
[12:33] <dzboudjema> I think it's a driver problem
[12:35] <dzboudjema> I managed to install the latest vs of xubuntu after so douzen reboot times and chaging grub and boot settings I've a Dell Latitude 7490 with intel UHD 620 Graphics
[12:36] <dzboudjema> the manufacturer (Dell) is orienting clients to ubuntu website shame on them
[12:38] <gnrp> dzboudjema: What is the problem, exactly?
[12:39] <dzboudjema> how to deactivate hibernation permanently on xubuntu ?
[12:39] <dzboudjema> @gnrp it gets stucked on boot or startup desktop
[12:40] <dzboudjema> I searched for that in web it's kernel issue
[12:40] <gnrp> dzboudjema: Hm, wait. That sounds like three problems. Wifi, hibernation and crashes?
[12:40] <dzboudjema> yes
[12:40] <dzboudjema> hibernation and crushes are related to a graphic or kernel problem
[12:40] <dzboudjema> not sure about the wifi
[12:42] <dzboudjema><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:43] <samuel> okay I have hp stream 13 and the problem is if the wifi works but I don't know if it bugs or because when I disconnect the wifi disappear and the option of activating wireless network stops working, I can't or put the chip out and it's going to restart the cup bw again
[12:45] <dzboudjema> @samuel did you check another chipset sometimes the integrated wifi cause the same problem (in and out and the disappear of the icone)
[12:45] <gnrp> !paste
[12:45] <gnrp> samuel: Please run the command `dmesg` in a terminal when the wifi disappeared
[12:46] <gnrp> samuel: Also, run the command `rfkill`
[12:46] <gnrp> And `iwconfig`
[13:37] <idels> Xubuntu can be installed on ssd ?
[13:37] <gnrp> idels: Sure
[13:37] <idels> Ok
[13:38] <idels> I tried to install kali linux on ssd before, but it didn't show up
[13:39] <gnrp> that would be another issue. To the installation of the operating system, whether it is an ssd or an hdd, doesn't make a difference
[15:44] <ChristianCuban> Hello Community
[15:45] <diogenes_Vx15> !hi | ChristianCuban
[19:47] <jonzen> how do i disable dpms and all screen blanking on 22.10?  i tried xset -dpms    xset s off -dpms  i unnstalled xfce4 screensaver   still my screen blanks
[19:49] <jonzen> i put xset s off -dpms in bashrc   no go


[14:06] <Brainstorm> Updates for Bangladesh: +339 cases (now 1.6 million), +10 deaths (now 27778), +18812 tests (now 10.1 million) since 23 hours ago


[01:09] <allee> debian/copyright: is there a tool scans the source and write the DEP-5 format as a start ?
[07:51] <soee> good morning
[09:16] <shadeslayer> afiestas: we have the latest release 1.1.5, unless something changed in the last 24 hours
[09:20] <shadeslayer> otoh I could setup a daily recipe, but the packaging is spooky
[09:36] <shadeslayer> fun
[09:36] <shadeslayer> calligra is slightly broken
[09:36] <shadeslayer> good thing I didn't send this email to KDE Devel
[09:37]  * shadeslayer goes off to fix
[10:28] <yofel_> shadeslayer: in my next upgrade test kdm worked fine, but this time the wallpaper didn't get changed to Elarun... otherwise everything works fine
[10:29] <yofel_> shadeslayer: one thing: if you want print-manager installed you'll have to add an updated version of kubuntu-meta
[10:30] <shadeslayer> re Elarun that should be fixed I think
[10:31] <yofel> I thought so too, but it did happen just now.
[10:32] <shadeslayer> don't remember where the fix was supposed to be
[10:33] <shadeslayer> ah yes
[10:33] <shadeslayer> yofel: /usr/share/kde4/apps/desktoptheme/default/metadata.desktop
[10:33] <shadeslayer> should say : [Wallpaper]
[10:33] <shadeslayer> defaultWallpaperTheme=Elarun
[10:33] <shadeslayer> defaultFileSuffix=.png
[10:33] <shadeslayer> defaultWidth=2560
[10:33] <shadeslayer> defaultHeight=1600
[10:34] <shadeslayer> note the dimensions
[10:35] <Riddell> kdm uses /etc/kde4/kdm/kdmrc
[10:35] <Riddell> the wallpaper needs to be upgraded manually I think
[10:35] <shadeslayer> *facepalm* you're right
[10:35] <Riddell> or by a script
[10:35] <shadeslayer> the one I pasted before was for the screenlocker
[10:35] <yofel> hm, I thought we were defaulting the wallpaper to our kde-default.png symlink?
[10:36] <yofel> (which makes the wallpaper appear twice in the settings btw.)
[10:38] <shadeslayer> ^
[10:39] <shadeslayer> I worked around this in Netrunner by putting it in /usr/share/netrunner ... we could put the symlink in /usr/share/kubuntu-settings-desktop
[10:41] <yofel> sounds good to me, now it's just an image called "2560x1600" which is ugly
[10:42] <yofel> I wonder what uses that image though
[10:42] <shadeslayer> ubiquity
[10:42] <yofel> ah
[10:42] <shadeslayer> review plz : http://paste.kde.org/642500/
[10:44] <yofel> wth is up with hidden folders in /usr o.O? usr/share/templates/.source/
[10:44] <shadeslayer> heh, don't ask me
[10:44] <yofel> ack otherwise
[10:45] <shadeslayer> but there were 2 bugs, one that template files get pulled in even tho the app is not installed
[10:45] <shadeslayer> and if you try to hide the app using NoDisplay=true it won't work
[10:45] <shadeslayer> fix for the second one is here : http://www.davidfaure.fr/2013/knewfilemenu.cpp.diff
[10:45] <yofel> hm
[10:49] <shadeslayer> yofel: do kubuntu-dev have upload rights for calligra?
[10:50] <yofel> yes
[10:50] <shadeslayer> ah cool
[10:51]  * yofel wonders how he managed to break upower... AC is in, upower says it's offline
[10:52] <Quintasan_> Sigh
[10:53] <Quintasan> Hopefully I passed
[10:53] <yofel> that bad?
[10:53] <yofel> ^^
[10:53] <Quintasan> Not as bad as I expected it to be
[10:53] <Quintasan> but not entirely good
[10:54] <Quintasan> multivariable deriviatives are not what I expected
[10:54] <Quintasan> and I am not sure if I got them right
[10:54] <Quintasan> plus integrals and ofc I didnt even touch those
[10:55] <Quintasan> I have a second attempt but I would like to think the first attempt was enough
[10:55] <Quintasan> Will see next week, tomorrow is logic.
[10:56] <yofel> second attempt is good... but believe me, you usually don't have time to study for that...
[10:56] <Quintasan> yes
[10:56] <Quintasan> especially I have like. 4 tests next week?
[10:56]  * Quintasan takes a break and goes back to studying
[10:56]  * yofel passes Quintasan a cup of coffee
[10:58] <Quintasan> welp
[10:58] <Quintasan> I think I have lecture to attend in like an hour
[10:58] <Quintasan> gotta pack some stuff and head to that
[11:01] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[11:02] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: now you understand why I had tests all the time for the last 4 years :P
[11:03] <yofel> he's getting there :P
[11:15] <Riddell> meh, anyone got any great ideas why qt isn't compiling on arm and powerpc
[11:15] <Riddell> arm complains about no QtGui which is weird
[11:15] <Riddell> powerpc complains about QtWebKit which is not unusual but no reason why it would be platform specific
[11:33] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1098136] package libqtcore4 4:4.8.1-0ubuntu4.3 failed to install/upgrade: conffile './etc/xdg/Troll... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1098136 (by Amit Kumar)
[11:34] <shadeslayer> and now calligra has failed because /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lnepomukcore
[11:36] <Riddell> well it compiled when I uploaded it :)
[11:36] <Riddell> needs to build-dep on nepomuk-core-dev?
[11:36] <vHanda> calligra uses Nepomuk?
[11:36] <Riddell> yes it doesn't have that
[11:37] <Riddell> vHanda: seems so
[11:37] <Riddell> ./CMakeLists.txt:    macro_log_feature(NEPOMUK_FOUND "Nepomuk" "Handles metadata of resources" FALSE  "Required to handle metadata of resources")
[11:37] <shadeslayer> Riddell: that's what I'm thinking as well :P
[11:37] <Riddell> ./libs/widgets/CMakeLists.txt:    target_link_libraries(kowidgets kotext pigmentcms ${NEPOMUK_LIBRARIES} ${SOPRANO_LIBRARIES})
[11:38] <vHanda> hmm, they seem to have basic tag support
[11:38] <vHanda> but that is kdelibs/nepomuk not nepomukcore
[11:38] <vHanda> ( as of Sept 12 2012 )
[11:39] <shadeslayer> vHanda: I have a suspicion it's because of http://paste.kde.org/642524/
[11:40] <vHanda> that's kdepim
[11:40] <shadeslayer> should kdepimlibs-dev depend on nepomuk-core-dev ?
[11:40] <shadeslayer> yes
[11:40] <vHanda> if they use nepomuk-core (which I think they do) then yes
[11:41] <shadeslayer> okay
[11:41] <yofel> vHanda: as I'm a bit confused after the last discussion about it, is the presence of nepomuk-widgets implied if nepomuk-core is there?
[11:42] <vHanda> nepomuk-widgets cannot be compiled with nepomuk-core
[11:42] <vHanda> it also won't work (runtime) without nepomuk-core
[11:42] <vHanda> so it has a compile time and runtime dependency to nepomuk-core
[11:43] <vHanda> *cannot be compiled WITHOUT nepomuk-core
[11:43] <vHanda> sorry
[11:43] <vHanda> I should proof read what I write
[11:43] <shadeslayer> alright
[11:43] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I'll go ahead and add a nepomuk-core-dev dep to kdepimlibs-dev
[11:44] <Riddell> shadeslayer: go ahead but that might not do much if you're looking at calligra :)
[11:44] <yofel> vHanda: ah, I was remembering the dolphin build failure because the cmake check for nepomuk-widgets was missing
[11:44] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yeah, let's see, I'm compiling by adding nepomuk-core-dev to calligra
[11:44] <vHanda> yofel: right. I fixed that
[11:44] <vHanda> but not in time for RC2
[11:45] <yofel> thanks
[11:45] <vHanda> yofel: http://commits.kde.org/kde-baseapps/da5b7dcde4b5bbef28600e31ebb540d7f182050b
[11:46] <yofel> shadeslayer: it'll build fine with nepomuk-core-dev, already tried it when I attempted to backport it to precise
[11:46] <shadeslayer> ah
[11:46] <yofel> vHanda: ah, perfect. Thanks
[11:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: if I add nepomuk-core-dev to kdepimlibs5-dev it'll get pulled in automagically when building calligra
[11:49] <shadeslayer> as well as other stuff
[11:52] <Riddell> really?  why does calligra use kdepimlibs?
[11:54] <shadeslayer>    * KDE PIM iCalendar - KDE Personal Information Management iCalendar Libraries
[11:59] <oy> what is the best way to provide KolorServer to kubuntu for KWin-4.10 colour correction?
[12:03]  * shadeslayer looks
[12:04] <Riddell> oy: I'm not sure what you're asking there
[12:04] <Riddell> oy: you're the upstream for KolorServer?
[12:04] <oy> yes, nearly
[12:04] <shadeslayer> https://projects.kde.org/projects/extragear/graphics/kolor-manager/repository
[12:04] <Riddell> nearly? :)
[12:05] <shadeslayer> that would need packaging I guess :)
[12:05] <oy> KWin-4.10 needs KolorServer to enable ICC colour correction
[12:05] <Riddell> oy: is there a release of KolorServer?
[12:05] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I've uploaded pimlibs with dep on nepomuk-core-dev :)
[12:06] <oy> Riddell, and shadeslayer yes we have packages
[12:06] <oy> https://www.oyranos.org/kolormanager/   on the bottom
[12:07] <shadeslayer> Should I trust the SSL cert? :P
[12:08] <shadeslayer> oy: I don't see a proper release
[12:08] <oy> KolorServer is part of KolorManager and both use ICC Examin + Oyranos + libXcm all inofficially packaged for debian
[12:09] <oy> shadeslayer, https://projects.kde.org/news/192 ?
[12:09] <Riddell> oy: presumably it needs packages of Oyranos first?
[12:09] <shadeslayer> yeah, I was about to open that link on projects.kde.org
[12:10] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yep : FIND_PACKAGE(Oyranos REQUIRED)
[12:10] <oy> Riddell, the dependencies are all packaged in the same way
[12:11] <oy> you can find the package list under xUbuntu: https://build.opensuse.org/project/monitor?project=multimedia%3Acolor_management
[12:13] <shadeslayer> I don't think we can use that packagign
[12:13] <shadeslayer> *packaging
[12:14] <oy> oh, why? I made it to help for Debian and Ubuntu
[12:15] <oy> shadeslayer, what can be done to improve?
[12:15] <shadeslayer> because it has a different format to what is actual packaging? IIRC OBS has this flat heiarchy packaging which is not valid debian packaging
[12:15] <shadeslayer> *actual debian packaging
[12:15] <apachelogger> (can be made actual debian packaging depending on how OBSy the packaging is...)
[12:16] <oy> I used a debian packaging tutorial
[12:16] <Riddell> shadeslayer: it seems like a good start
[12:16] <Riddell> oy: how much does this conflict with colord?
[12:17] <shadeslayer> OBS confuses me as hell
[12:17] <oy> I had them both running side by side, did not uninstall colord, works
[12:17] <shadeslayer> I don't even know where the packaging is so I can have a look
[12:18] <oy> shadeslayer, https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=kolor-manager&project=multimedia%3Acolor_management
[12:18] <oy> shadeslayer, you can click the package name in the monitor list
[12:18] <oy> agreed, it is different to launchpad
[12:21] <shadeslayer> looks sane from an overview, except that the copyright needs fixing ( 80 char width _
[12:21] <shadeslayer> *)
[12:21] <oy> will do, thanks
[12:22] <shadeslayer> I didn't know that OBS accepted this format
[12:22] <shadeslayer> I was only aware of the flat hiearchy one
[12:22] <oy> shadeslayer, I saw as well other formats, but because of the debian tutorial I choose that one
[12:22] <apachelogger> it is flat too :P
[12:23] <shadeslayer> oy: oh and maybe you can use dh $@ --with kde
[12:23] <oy> ok
[12:23] <shadeslayer> and remove the sample cruft in there as well
[12:24] <oy> shadeslayer, sample cruft? in which file?
[12:25] <shadeslayer> debian/rules
[12:25] <shadeslayer> "# Sample debian/rules that uses debhelper."
[12:25] <shadeslayer> not needed :)
[12:25] <oy> ah, see it, good
[12:27] <Riddell> oy: out of these packages in that OBS archive you're saying we want oyranos and kolor-manager in kubuntu?
[12:28] <oy> Riddell, yes, these + libXcm (dep) + ICC Examin (optionally used by KolorManager)
[12:29] <oy> "icc-profiles-free" is already in wheezy and I guess "xcalib" is available too, both are dependencies too
[12:30] <Riddell> oy: as someone who knows nothing about colour correction can you tell me why a window manager needs it?  isn't it better done for the whole monitor?
[12:31] <oy> Riddell, the WM manages all monitors, so it is ICC colour correction for the whole monitor
[12:32] <oy> Riddell, in the past we (X11) had only 1D LUT correction, which means no opt out, colorimetric based correction only for ICC supporting apps
[12:33] <oy> in the old LUT way, Dolphin does no colorimetric correction why DigiKam/Krita etc. do
[12:34] <oy> Riddell, with KWin ICC colour correction all apps are corrected together, including video on the GPU
[12:35] <oy> in the old LUT way, Dolphin does no colorimetric correction *while* DigiKam/Krita etc. do
[12:35] <Tm_T> oy: is the colour correction per-display?
[12:35] <oy> Tm_T, per output
[12:35] <oy> alias per monitor
[12:36] <Tm_T> oh good
[12:36] <Tm_T> so I have some hope to get reasonable results with external monitor and laptop
[12:37] <Riddell> oy: how is this different from colord-kde applying a profile to a monitor?
[12:37] <oy> Tm_T: yes that is one use case
[12:38] <oy> Riddell, colord-kde does only calibration, which is a 1D LUT
[12:39] <oy> Riddell, it does no correction for different primaries or saturation, calibration helps only in improving gray ramps, but that is covered by ICC profiles in KWin as well
[12:40] <oy> the 1D Lut this is very long available (perhaps 10 years). xcalib can do that for instance
[12:42] <oy> a calibration does not so much for small gamut laptops + attached sRGB/wide Gamut external monitors
[12:43] <Tm_T> ^
[12:44] <Riddell> oy: no 1.0 on http://sourceforge.net/projects/oyranos/files/Oyranos/ ?
[12:45] <oy> Riddell, not yet, we are still in beta and expect some minor changes
[12:45] <oy> btw. colord is guessedly beta too or alpha
[12:46] <Riddell> oy: but the OBS archive does have 1.0.0?
[12:46] <oy> Riddell, yes, of KolorManager, but not of its dependencies
[12:47] <Riddell> oh I see
[12:47] <oy> KolorManager exposes a limited set of features, we think we can garantee to remain stable
[12:47] <Riddell> oy: where's the place to download KolorManager sources?
[12:47] <oy> the Oyranos geature set is much broader
[12:48] <oy> Riddell, we hoped that git snapshots are fine? http://quickgit.kde.org/index.php?p=kolor-manager.git&a=tags
[12:49] <oy> for most of other packages there is: http://sourceforge.net/projects/oyranos/files/
[12:51] <Riddell> oy: that not quite kosher, KolorManager is ment to be 1.0 and stable but there's no tars?
[12:51] <Darkwing> Morning guys
[12:51] <oy> hmm, need to find a place for that
[12:52] <Riddell> oy: you can use ftp.kde.org or the same sourceforge project as oyranos no?
[12:52] <oy> ftp.kde.org would be sound
[12:53] <Riddell> oy: ask in #kde-sysadmin how you do that, I think you need to upload it somewhere then file a request on bugs.kde.org for sysadmin to move it to release
[12:53] <oy> ah, good to know
[12:55] <Riddell> oy: where is the GUI in kwin for this?
[12:55]  * oy works on the fixes and pushes a new tar ball
[12:56] <apachelogger> yes, upload to incoming, then file a sysamind request to move it to ftpmaster containing target path and the sha1 of the tarball
[12:58] <oy> Riddell, http://userbase.kde.org/Color_Management/en
[12:59] <oy> the enabling of colour correction happens inside KWin effect dialog, it is for the first release experimental
[13:05] <Riddell> oy: groovy thanks for answering my questions, I'll look into getting it packaged and in the archive
[13:07] <oy> Riddell, thanks, meanwhile I will work on a kolor-manager-1.0.1 release and proper upload
[13:14] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:53] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: It's not like tests all the time
[14:54] <Quintasan> It's like tests because it's the end of semster :P
[15:01] <shadeslayer> sure
[15:02] <Quintasan> mfw I can do nothing for whole 10 months after 15 February
[15:03] <Riddell> what happens then?
[15:03] <apachelogger> Quintasan has tests for the next 10 months
[15:04] <apachelogger> it's the shadeslayer test schedule problem all over again
[15:04] <Quintasan> Riddell: Some tests and end of the year
[15:04] <Quintasan> Riddell: after that more free time
[15:04] <Riddell> that's some long tests
[15:04] <Quintasan> aaaand start of new semester
[15:05] <shadeslayer> haha
[15:05] <Quintasan> apachelogger: That won't be the case hopefully
[15:05] <Quintasan> If I pass all the tests next week I will have only ONE exam in February
[15:06] <Quintasan> there is four of them so it is doable
[15:06] <apachelogger> so what's after feburary? :P
[15:06] <apachelogger> one test a week
[15:06] <apachelogger> or perhaps two? :P
[15:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: one word, Calculus
[15:08] <Quintasan> apachelogger: nothing lol
[15:08] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I get only lectures that I have to attend to
[15:08] <Quintasan> Besides, why am I explaining this stuff to you
[15:09]  * Quintasan thinks he would be better off learning stuff for tomorrow
[15:09] <apachelogger> word
[15:09] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: calculus is fun
[15:09] <apachelogger> it's another foremost topic when having coffee @ uni
[15:09] <Quintasan> If you know what the hell is going on then it is :P
[15:10] <apachelogger> the secret with calculus is that no one knows what is going on and that you just have to make the right guesses
[15:10] <shadeslayer> ^ :D
[15:10]  * shadeslayer bows to apachelogger
[16:27] <yofel> shadeslayer: 4.9.97 precise is done from my side. Anything you have left?
[16:30] <Riddell> Darkwing, apachelogger, JontheEchidna, jussi, ScottK: can I get some Kubuntu stickers for FOSDEM with kubuntu funds?
[16:30] <JontheEchidna> +1
[16:31] <shadeslayer> nope
[16:32] <shadeslayer> yofel: marble all working
[16:32] <shadeslayer> ?
[16:33] <apachelogger> +1
[16:34] <yofel> shadeslayer: the current package set that's in staging works fine for what I tested
[16:46] <shadeslayer> ah cool
[16:46] <shadeslayer> please go ahead and copy stuff :)
[16:47] <yofel> ok, copying then
[16:52] <yofel> done
[16:57] <Riddell> how's this? http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/output2.pdf
[16:58] <jessie> Other than being sideways, it looks good.
[16:59] <yofel> the KDE logo looks out of place
[16:59] <yofel> compared to the kubuntu logo positioning above I mean
[16:59] <yofel> otherwise nice
[17:10] <Quintasan> mfw dolphin crashes when one tries to mass tag files
[17:10] <Quintasan> god KDE should do something about mass edition of things
[17:10] <Quintasan> Amarok UI freezes and users have no idea what's going on
[17:10] <Quintasan> Dolphin crashes
[17:10] <Quintasan> ...
[17:13] <Quintasan> vHanda: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=313026
[17:13] <Quintasan> You are probably interested
[17:14]  * Quintasan can consistetly reproduce this
[17:15] <Quintasan> lol
[17:15] <Quintasan> If I Alt+Enter, go to Information and press Add tags there
[17:15] <Quintasan> it works
[17:15] <Quintasan> ...
 bah, can we revert the qml screen locker before release? :3
 it still has some ugly regressions
[17:19] <Quintasan> NOW
[17:19] <Quintasan> this looks promising...
[17:24] <txwikinger> Wonder if someone could help me
[17:24] <txwikinger> On my panel.. my task manager is really small because the tray is using up too much space
[17:24] <txwikinger> Any idea how that can be fixed?
[17:33] <jessie> Quintasan: I cannot confirm the crash.
[17:33] <sbivol_> txwikinger: remove all the panels, then right-click the desktop and choose Add Panel -> Defaul panel
[17:34] <txwikinger> ok.. found the issue.. there are lots of useless entries in the tray settings... where did they come from?
[17:34] <jessie> Actually, I lied, Quintasan. With 4 images it didn't crash, with 200 it did.
[17:34] <txwikinger> sbivol_: Yeah.. that unfortuantely loses all my customizations
[17:36] <txwikinger> wonder what all those statusnotifieritems supposed to be!
[17:36] <Quintasan> jessie: With small number of elements is not a problem
[17:37] <Quintasan> I have 5 photos of my friend doing a kickflip,taggin them skateboarding was not a problem
[17:37] <Quintasan> but taggin 600 pictures from our skateboarding trip crashed the whole thing
[17:37] <Quintasan> :P
[17:37] <txwikinger> :q
[17:37] <txwikinger> :;;
[17:41] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: KDE does not scale
[17:41] <shadeslayer> we need to make it webscale
[17:42] <txwikinger> how do you scale a desktop shadeslayer?
[17:42] <shadeslayer> by using mongodb instead of mysql
[17:42] <shadeslayer> don't you know? mongodb is webscale
[17:42] <Quintasan> NoSQL?
[17:42] <Quintasan> Sounds good
[17:42] <Quintasan> vHanda: ^^
[17:43] <shadeslayer> No, Mongodb
[17:43] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: look at MongoDB page derp
[17:46] <txwikinger> Riddell.. do you know what all the statusnotifieritems in the system tray entries supposed to do?
[17:46] <Riddell> txwikinger: yeah, why do you have ones which are unclear?
[17:47] <txwikinger> yes.. in my laptop there are quite a bunch that start with numbers and do not mean anything
[17:47] <txwikinger> on the netbook there are none
[17:47] <txwikinger> of these
[17:48] <txwikinger> those funny entries make the trasy uneccessarry wide
[17:48] <txwikinger> I had to change them all to hidden to be able to see my task manager properly
[17:50] <txwikinger> Deleting them in the System Tray Settings UI does not seem to work
[17:52] <txwikinger> I believe they first appeared after a crash of plasma.. well the panel disppeared and came back a bit later
[17:53] <Riddell> my systray has a circular one with a number in it which is for downloads and notificatios
[17:53] <Riddell> otherwise I don't know why one would have a number
[17:54] <txwikinger> :1.112/org/kde/statusnotifieritem/1
[17:54] <txwikinger> that is one example of it
[18:07] <txwikinger> Well. I found something in the KDE forum.. seems to be a kdelibs bug
[18:17] <shadeslayer> yofel: did you do an announce on kubuntu.org?
[18:25] <Riddell> shadeslayer: should be added to the existing 4.9.97 one
[18:25] <Riddell> hi skaet!
[18:25] <shadeslayer> Riddell: okay
[18:25] <shadeslayer> I'll do it before sleeping
[18:26] <skaet> hiya Riddell!
[18:26] <skaet> :)
[18:27]  * shadeslayer waves to skaet
[18:27] <Riddell> skaet: happy new year
[18:28]  * skaet waves back to shadeslayer
[18:28] <skaet> happy new year,  Riddell
[18:29]  * skaet glad to be back online again
[18:35] <yofel> shadeslayer: thanks, I didn't as I left the office right after that
[18:35]  * yofel wonders if kmail would be faster if akonadi used NoSQL
[19:23] <rbelem> é o weechat
[19:25] <shadeslayer> oh look an rbelem
[19:26] <rbelem> :-D
[19:26] <rbelem> wrong channel
[19:26] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[19:26] <shadeslayer> so kubuntu-devel is now a 'wrong' channel for you eh
[19:26] <shadeslayer> hiding from us
[19:35] <shadeslayer> hmm
[19:36] <shadeslayer> seem to get this slight issue with the new SNA stuff http://wstaw.org/m/2013/01/10/plasma-desktopS17003.png
[19:36] <shadeslayer> wasn't getting this earlier
[19:36] <shadeslayer> ( see the 2 arrows )
[20:11] <rbelem> :-D
[20:17] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: mfw UXA was supposed to fix all of the bugs of EXA
[20:17] <shadeslayer> rofl
[20:18] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: I have intel, but not a sandybridge cpu
[20:19] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: yeah I'm slightly confused as well, do people with non-sandybridge arch's get the same perf improvements?
[20:19] <shadeslayer> maybe ask in #ubuntu-x ?
[20:19] <JontheEchidna> I'll test it in a bit
[20:19] <shadeslayer> cool
[20:20] <JontheEchidna> gives me a nice excuse to play minecraft :P
[20:20] <shadeslayer> lol
[20:20]  * shadeslayer is still upgrading
[20:21] <shadeslayer> updated steam \o/
[20:22]  * sreich strolls in with his ivy bridge and gtx 670 ;p
[20:22] <sreich> oh yeah, i'm bad
[20:22] <shadeslayer> xD
[20:23] <shadeslayer> sreich: go test new stuff
[20:23] <shadeslayer> go go go
[20:23] <shadeslayer> you get to play TF2
[20:24] <sreich> lol
[20:24] <sreich> of course
[20:24] <shadeslayer> oh wow
[20:24] <shadeslayer> shift + tab works
[20:24] <shadeslayer> didn't work earlier
[20:25] <shadeslayer> as does big picture
[20:25] <shadeslayer> whoop
[20:34] <snele> guys, does anybody knows irc nickname of the guy how redisigned plasma theme for 4.10? mart? notmart? marco? something else? :)
[20:34] <snele> *who
[20:34] <shadeslayer> hmm
[20:35] <shadeslayer> there's notmart
[20:35] <shadeslayer> but I don't think he did the redesign
[20:35] <shadeslayer> it was Nuno iirc
[20:35] <snele> I think it is notmart: http://www.notmart.org/index.php/Graphics/Time_to_refresh_some_air
[20:36] <shadeslayer> well both of them
[20:37] <shadeslayer> so you want to talk to pinheiro and notmart
[20:37] <shadeslayer> #oxygen probably
[20:39] <snele> shadeslayer: thanks! they are both in #oxygen :)
[20:40] <JontheEchidna> Well X still works
[20:40] <snele> they introduces regression with new theme in icon-only task manager so I have to ping them :)
[20:41] <shadeslayer> heh
[20:41] <shadeslayer> yofel: "Update: Packages for Precise users are now avaliable via the same Beta PPA mentioned above."
[20:41] <shadeslayer> good enough?
[20:41] <shadeslayer> or should I add the word awesome in there
[20:44]  * shadeslayer removes the word 'same'
[20:53] <shadeslayer> poor buildd's
[20:53] <shadeslayer> I get this when building qtcreator : http://paste.kde.org/643058/
[20:56] <JontheEchidna> hmm, I'm seeing some font artifacting in Chrome with this SNA stuff
[20:57] <JontheEchidna> on its tabbar
[20:57] <shadeslayer> dunno, no such thing here
[20:58] <JontheEchidna> http://i.imgur.com/3No4L.png
[21:05] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/png-0-f22392
[21:09] <shadeslayer> anywho
[21:09]  * shadeslayer goes back to pgst
[21:48] <Mamarok> dear Kubuntu devs, it would be really great if we could get debugging symbols for taglib
[21:54] <Riddell> Mamarok: use dbgsym packages?  they get made for everything
[21:55] <Mamarok> hm, what is that? never heard of
[21:55] <Riddell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash
[21:55] <Riddell> see "If there is no -dbg package:"
[21:56] <Mamarok> *sigh* and you really expect me to ask the average user to do that?
[21:57] <Mamarok> looks complicated even to me
[21:57] <Mamarok> apparently just rebuilding taglib from source with debug enabled seems much easier than that
[21:59] <Mamarok> and then it has to be removed again?
[21:59] <Mamarok> not user friendly at all, and the bug reports we get for taglib are from plain users
[21:59] <Mamarok> too complicated
[22:00] <mikhas> option b) contribute to a project with no users → no complaints
[22:00] <mikhas> SCNR
[22:00] <Mamarok> mikhas: well, lukily Amarok has a lot of users, much better that way :)
[22:01] <mikhas> but you just complained about having users, in a way ;-)
[22:01] <yofel> adding that automatically was a feature request for our debug installer, but last time we talked JT said it's not exactly trivial
[22:01] <yofel> I'll agree that this system is designed for apport's auto-retracer, not for human beings
[22:02] <mikhas> so, find someone to fix taglib packaging to create a *--dbg package?
[22:03] <Riddell> I think that's what Mamarok just asked for
[22:03] <mikhas> yes
[22:04] <Riddell> but is -dbgsym really so hard? it's just running a couple of copy and paste commands
[22:04] <Mamarok> Riddell: maybe not for us, but I talk about plain users
[22:04] <mikhas> I just dont think that being cynical when asking for others to do something for you helps.
[22:05] <Mamarok> mikhas: and you are talking to whom?
[22:05] <yofel> hm...
[22:06] <yofel> Riddell: how about adding a shell scrip for that to kubuntu-debug-installer and have it run it when it's not enabled? (finding that out would be the hard part I guess)
[22:06] <yofel> stupid t buton
[22:07] <Riddell> I don't understand why it isn't enabled by default
[22:08] <yofel> "people should use apport"
[22:09] <shadeslayer> huh
[22:10] <shadeslayer> I don't suppose we can somehow ship with that repo added
[22:11] <yofel> hm, wait
[22:11] <yofel> can add-apt-repository prevent adding the same repo twice?
[22:12] <shadeslayer> I think so
[22:13] <shadeslayer> ah nope
[22:13] <yofel> JontheEchidna: is there some qapt method to check whether a specific repository is enabled on a system?
[22:14] <yofel> apt should know the list of active repositories from the cache...
[22:18] <yofel> shadeslayer: huh, since when is steam for linux public o.O?
[22:18] <shadeslayer> a long long time
[22:19] <yofel> I meant public as in visible on the default install page
[22:19] <shadeslayer> default install page?
[22:19] <yofel> http://store.steampowered.com/about/
[22:20] <shadeslayer> neato
[22:21] <shadeslayer> they're pushing towards a Linux console
[22:21] <shadeslayer> probably that's why


[00:08] <jgrimm> nacc, usd tag --deconstruct
[00:08] <jgrimm> 01/27/2017 18:07:53 - ERROR:Working tree must be clean to continue.
[00:08] <jgrimm> nacc, any ideas what could be going awry?
[00:08] <nacc> jgrimm: `git status` ?
[00:09] <jgrimm> nothing to commit, working tree clean
[00:09] <nacc> `git status --ignored` ?
[00:09] <nacc> jgrimm: --^
[00:09] <jgrimm> ah .pc ignored
[00:09] <nacc> :)
[00:10] <nacc> i think `usd clone` should have warned you about that, but if you already had it cloned, it won't
[00:10] <jgrimm> nacc, it did warn me ..  i didn't think of it at this stage
[00:13] <jgrimm> nacc thanks sir
[00:14]  * jgrimm calls it for the week
[00:15] <nacc> jgrimm: np
[03:09] <elopio> Laney: I know it's too late, and you are probably not going to see this. But just in case, we are getting again armv8l in the armhf autopkgtests<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:10] <dupondje> chrisccoulson: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1334778
[20:15] <fossfreedom> jbicha: are you testing out Nautilus 3.22 ?  Solus are telling me that if desktop-icons are enabled nautilus seg-faults.  Assuming Ubuntu is similarly affected this will affect unity 7 and budgie-desktop.
[20:44] <doko> nacc: sure
[21:57] <dupondje> chrisccoulson: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1627239 FYI
[22:06] <dupondje> think we found the cause :)
[23:59] <jbicha> fossfreedom: is there a bug number for that? desktop icons seem to work here with nautilus 3.22