[12:41] <pef> good night !
[01:02] <KaiL> ivman is quite interesting. Is there a config-frontend for it?
[01:04] <Riddell> KaiL: nope, just some XML files
[10:40] <pef> hi
[10:43] <OculusAquilae> hi pef
[10:45] <JRe> hi pef
[10:45] <pef> :]
[10:55] <pef> what about the status of hibernate in kubuntu ?
[10:56] <JRe> pef: never tested it
[10:56] <pef> it works great on ubuntu
[10:56] <pef> but on Kubuntu ? I haven't the option on shutdown menu
[10:57] <JRe> pef: it's because of KDE not because of Kubuntu, no ?
[10:58] <pef> I don't know :]
[11:16] <tvo> Riddell: is there a good package building tutorial somewhere?
[11:16] <JRe> Mez: hi! poke me when the katapult berlios account will be opened
[11:16] <JRe> tvo: KubuntuPackagingGuide ;) ;) ;)
[11:17] <tvo> k thanks, just needed the right search term :)
[11:19] <Riddell> tvo: take a look at KubuntuPackagingGuide and improve it as you see fit
[11:19] <Riddell> do MOTU have a packaging guide yet?  I'm not usre
[11:19] <Riddell> sure
[11:19] <Riddell> read Debian New Maintainers
[11:19] <tvo> yep I'm going through it now
[11:20] <JRe> tvo: hope you'll like it ;)
[11:20] <tvo> heh
[11:20] <Riddell> learn about packages made with debhelper (as described in Debian New Maintainers) then once you've got the hang of that learn about cdbs (which hides debhelpers in a bunch of include files)
[11:30] <Mez> JRe, I've got permission off of the author to carry on katapult
[11:31] <Riddell> Mez: woo!
[11:31] <JRe> Mez: cooooooooooooooool
[11:31] <JRe> Mez: can you send me the mail
[11:31] <JRe> Mez: ?
[11:31] <Mez> email address?
[11:31] <Riddell> Mez: did you get access to his sourceforge?
[11:31] <Mez> er I dunno
[11:31] <Mez> but he siad he'd send em the code and stuff
[11:31] <JRe> Mez: ;)
[11:31] <Riddell> well we have the code surly
[11:32] <Mez> the unreleased stuff
[11:32] <Mez> and the icon
[11:32] <Riddell> how exciting
[11:32] <JRe> Mez: we will do great things with that code!
[11:33] <Mez> hehe :D
[11:33] <Mez> I'm thinking we get tvo on board and integrate it with kio_locate
[11:33] <JRe> Mez: sure!
[11:33] <JRe> Mez: we have plenty of bugs to fix
[11:34] <JRe> Mez: and some features to add
[11:34] <Riddell> Mez: how would you integrate it with kio_locate?
[11:34] <JRe> Riddell: plugin
[11:35] <JRe> kio locate does not have dcop interface ?
[11:35] <Riddell> JRe: no I mean what would it do?  kio-locate can return a lot of results but katapult only shows one at a time
[11:36] <Mez> Riddell, I'm sure we'll work something out :D
[11:37] <Mez> JRe, Riddell, email forwarded
[11:38] <tvo> Mez, Riddell, probably for opening documents in ~ me thinks
[11:38] <tvo> with the right program of course
[11:40] <tvo> actually I doubt that will be possible through kio-locate, I think it's too slow for realtime searching like this
[11:40] <Mez> *Shrugs*
[11:40] <tvo> still, I might be able to write a plugin to do this :)
[11:40] <JRe> tvo: damn!
[11:40] <tvo> but not using locate :)
[11:40] <JRe> tvo: the document plugin has to be improved a lot
[11:40] <Mez> tvo: katpult works on catalogs, we could always make something use kio_locate to generate a catalog for it :)
[11:40] <Mez> on a daemon :D
[11:41] <tvo> Mez: maybe yes, but I think we should try too hard to include kio-locate.. might as well be easier to design better algorithm
[11:42] <Mez> fair enough
[11:42] <tvo> argh try NOT too hard ;)
[11:42] <JRe> tvo: i agree
[11:42] <tvo> katapult already searches on the first character
[11:42] <tvo> if you let locate (or kio-locate) search on 1 character
[11:43] <tvo> it takes long and returns almost your entire filesystem
[11:43] <JRe> Riddell: is it right: in such an unusable state, but it really seems like KDE 4's desktop search<br>features will contain most of the functionality of Katapult. ???
[11:44] <JRe> tvo: you can configure how many caracther are taken for each type of catalog
[11:44] <tvo> Riddell: btw, kio-locate already has a debian/ subdir using debhelper, any tips for picking this up?
[11:44] <JRe> tvo: tough, i agree that kio-locate is to slow it's better to improve the home catalog
[11:45] <tvo> JRe: yes I noticed that, but still, locate (and as such kio-locate) was designed to quickly locate something
[11:45] <tvo> when given an entire word
[11:45] <tvo> not only 1, 2, 3 characters
[11:45] <tvo> I'd write an entirely different algorithm for that
[11:46] <Mez> tvo: the way I see it, is if It gets a query that isnt in it's catalog, or any paths, it passes the search string to kio_locate
[11:46] <Mez> so, say i type cheese and hit enter
[11:47] <Mez> it doesnt find cheese in it's catalog, or in a path, so it opens up konq with locate:/cheese
[11:47] <tvo> Mez, didn't think of that. That could be possible yes.
[11:48] <tvo> that's no work, you could probably patch the source for that in minutes ;-)
[11:48] <Mez> yeah I knowe
[11:48] <tvo> if you know the source that is
[11:48] <Mez> and it at least fixes the crash
[11:48] <Mez> the source is quite clean actually tvo
[11:49] <tvo> that's nice
[11:52] <JRe> Mez: it's a good idea
[11:52] <JRe> Mez: but it might be configurable
[11:54] <JRe> Mez: i am so impatient to start coding ;)
[11:55] <Mez> JRe: instead of using the program catalog, how about greabbiung stuff from menu or from the K menu (.desktop files)
[11:55] <Mez> JRe: your SF.net username?
[11:55] <Riddell> Mez: surly that's what it does?
[11:55] <JRe> Mez: jrfaller
[11:56] <JRe> Riddell: that was it does
[11:56] <JRe> s/was/what/
[11:56] <Mez> Riddell: I'm not too sure - it doesnt seem to pick up some programs I have
[11:57] <JRe> Mez: a plugin idea i have it's too search in the media list ;) ;) ;)
[11:57] <Mez> Riddell: your SF.net username?
[11:57] <Mez> and tvo - your's if you want to participte?
[11:58] <tvo> Mez: tobi_v
[11:58] <Riddell> Mez: jriddell I think
[11:59] <Riddell> Mez: do you have a new sf project?
[11:59] <Mez> erm, there's one in the registration queue... but he';s willing to add us to his
[12:01] <JRe> Mez: cool!
[12:05] <Mez> JRe, it says that on the bottom of his email
[12:06] <JRe> Mez: ha yes right!
[12:10] <Mez> sorry bout the emails folks, just thought I'd add you to the CCs
[12:11] <JRe> lol
[12:11] <Mez> Riddell, if we clean it up and stuff - reckon we'll be able to ship it as default wqith kubuntu?
[12:11] <Riddell> Mez: certainly
[12:12] <JRe> Mez: i hope ;)
[12:13] <JRe> Mez: and if it's very clean clean clean may be one day we'll ship it with KDE
[12:13] <JRe> Mez: :)
[12:13] <Mez> maybe :d
[12:18] <pef> Riddell: hello
[12:19] <Riddell> pef: morning
[12:20] <pef> Riddell: is a 755 file in /usr/share a debian policy violation ?
[12:21] <Riddell> pef: possibly
[12:21] <Riddell> pef: what's the situation?
[12:22] <pef> Riddell: I want a tcl/tk script to be in the PATH, so for the moment I've put it in 755 to /usr/share/foo, then symlinked to /usr/bin
[12:24] <Riddell> pef: why not just put it in /usr/bin?
[12:24] <pef> Riddell: he needs to be launched from his directory, otherwise he can't find its data
[12:25] <Riddell> but /usr/lib/packagename/foo would be the place for hidden executables
[12:25] <Riddell> pef: best thing to do would be to patch the program to make it work right
[12:26] <pef> Riddell: amsn chmod 755 the main script in /usr/share/amsn, then a sh wrapper in /usr/bin launch it, what do you think about it ?
[12:28] <OculusAquilae> hi
[12:30] <Riddell> pef: that's neater then a symlink yes
[12:30] <pef> Riddell: but that's not the ideal solution I presume ? (755 file in /usr/share)
[12:33] <Riddell> pef: no, using /usr/lib/packagename/script would be better
[12:34] <Riddell> and quite possibly required
[12:35] <pef> Riddell: so, all its files in /usr/lib/foo, then a wrapper script in /usr/bin ? or simply a symlink from /usr/lib/foo/foo.tcl to /usr/bin/foo ?
[12:36] <JRe> hi OculusAquilae
[12:36] <OculusAquilae> What about our katapult-fork. I've a patch, which makes it possible to deactivate the systray-icon (but i doesn't have a patch making the config-menu available without the systray :-)
[12:37] <OculusAquilae> hi JRe
[12:37] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: mez is in contact with the author, hopefully we'll get a CVS archive up soon
[12:39] <JRe> OculusAquilae: we can turn katapult into a kded and put the configuration in a kcm ;)
[12:40] <OculusAquilae> perhaps we can make the programm show the config dialog, when the user types "config" or so.
[12:41] <OculusAquilae> but that isn't very intuitiv :-)
[12:41] <Mez> or use the already registered hot keys :D
[12:41] <JRe> OculusAquilae: no it's not intuitive
[12:41] <Mez> all we do is chnage the keys and add an accelerator
[12:41] <Mez> code*
[12:42] <JRe> whatever before starting development we have to make a meeting in #katapult
[12:42] <Mez> or in #kubuntu-devel
[12:42] <JRe> yes
[01:06] <Riddell> anyone want to update metabar?  new version just out
[01:35] <Riddell> hola fromoze
[01:35] <fromoze> hola?
[01:35] <fromoze> hello
[01:35] <Riddell> fromoze: what is #kubuntu-es like?
[01:36] <fromoze> Is like #kubuntu  but in spanish.
[01:36] <fromoze> wincide starts the channel, not me :)
[01:36] <Riddell> fromoze: how many people?
[01:36] <fromoze> I'm just there to help
[01:36] <fromoze> just 4-5 :$
[01:37] <Riddell> cool cool
[01:37] <fromoze> we're waiting for the comunity to grow up XD
[01:38] <Riddell> fromoze: has it been announced on ubuntu-es.org?
[01:39] <JRe> there is others #kubuntu-xx
[01:39] <JRe> ??
[01:39] <Riddell> just spanish that i know of
[01:39] <JRe> cuando gnome no es sufficente ;)
[01:39] <fromoze> I've try #kubuntu-fr an #kubuntu-pt, the languages I know but no
[01:40] <fromoze> do you understand it?
[01:40] <JRe> do i have listed
[01:40] <JRe> fromoze: sure i have lived in Madrid 4 months
[01:41] <fromoze> Riddell: I don't know, but I'm going to ask xuzo or natxo (ubuntu-es maintainers) to introduce it
[01:41] <Riddell> fromoze: went me to put a wee note on kubuntu.org?
[01:41] <fromoze> JRe: studies?
[01:41] <fromoze> I dunno :/
[01:41] <JRe> fromoze: yeah intership in a non govertmental organization
[01:42] <fromoze> Riddell if you want to put a note, say that we are trying to make it work ...
[01:44] <fromoze> JRe: I'm living in Salamanca, but I'm from Vigo. May be you travel to here?
[01:45] <JRe> fromoze: yeah Salamanca is my second favourite city in spain after Grenada ;)
[01:45] <OculusAquilae> ah, we are on ubuntulinux.org :-)
[01:45] <OculusAquilae> edubuntu too
[01:46] <JRe> Riddell: BTW have you tested the brand new medianotifier ?
[01:47] <fromoze> JRe: All the foreingers visitos likes Salamanca XD
[01:47] <fromoze> excuse for my english :$
[01:47] <JRe> fromoze: it's not strange, given that the architecture really kicks ass!
[01:47] <JRe> fromoze: it also seems to be a student city
[01:48] <JRe> fromoze: Madrid kicks ass too ;)
[01:48] <fromoze> JRe: I prefer Santiago de Compostela :)
[01:48] <JRe> fromoze: aaaa Galicia
[01:48] <fromoze> JRe: where are you from?
[01:48] <JRe> fromoze: Montpellier, France
[01:49] <JRe> fromoze: los pimientos de padron
[01:50] <wincide> hola fromoze  xD
[01:50] <fromoze> JRe: My brother in love is french, my sister lives in Paris. And I travel a lot in France, where I lived for a year in Lorient.
[01:50] <fromoze> but never gone to montpellier
[01:50] <wincide> hi all xD
[01:50] <fromoze> Riddell, wincide is whom has created the #kubuntu-es
[01:51] <Riddell> wincide: welcome along :)
[01:51] <Riddell> wincide, fromoze: got a sentence or two to put on kubuntu.org?  my Spanish is not very good
[01:51] <wincide> very nice to meet you :D
[01:52] <wincide> Riddell: my english is not very good too XD
[01:52] <Riddell> wincide: I think it should be in Spanish.  or maybe I can write it in English and you can translate it for me
[01:54] <Riddell> wincide: is the #kubuntu-es channel registered?
[01:54] <wincide> i dont know .. i didnt register even my nick
[01:54] <wincide> xDD
[01:54] <JRe> wincide: so it's not registered :)
[01:55] <wincide> sure..
[01:55] <fromoze> I'm gonna ask xuzo to introduce #kubuntu-es on the contact list of ubuntu-es.org; but, better to register it before?
[01:55] <wincide> im going register my nick and look for #kubuntu-es registration
[01:55] <wincide> :)
[01:57] <Riddell> Channel: #kubuntu-es Contact: StR, last seen: 6 weeks 2 days (11h 30m 13s) ago
[01:57] <fromoze> How do I to register the channel? I start using IRC this month :/
[01:57] <fromoze> before I was happy enough with jabber...
[01:57] <JRe> ./msg chanserv register #kubuntu-es password
[01:57] <Riddell> str has already registed it, do you know StR?
[01:58] <fromoze> no
[01:58] <wincide> . since i've created this that channel i've  always connected
[01:58] <wincide> 6 weeks !! XD
[01:59] <fromoze> I do a whois and StR is unknown...
[01:59] <JRe> ./msg nickserv info StR
[02:00] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/kubuntu-es.php
[02:00] <fromoze> ./msg nickserv info StR
[02:00] <fromoze> sorry :$
[02:00] <JRe> fromoze: erase the .
[02:01] <wincide> :D
[02:02] <Riddell> I'll contact freenode staff, see if we can get control of it
[02:03] <wincide> i have to go :\ just in this very interesting moment for me .. i have to go to a web engeneering course about RIA applications this soon
[02:03] <wincide> see you later
[02:03] <Riddell> wincide: later
[02:03] <JRe> wincide: enjoy ;) !
[02:04] <fromoze> wincide: xiau!
[02:04] <fromoze> #kubuntu-es will be introduced in the ubuntu-es.org references :)
[02:04] <Riddell> fromoze: anything to add to that page on the website?
[02:05] <pef> does gpg-agent works for you ?
[02:05] <Riddell> pef: not in my very limited experience
[02:06] <fromoze> Riddel: Would you like the translation?
[02:06] <Riddell> fromoze: please
[02:06] <pef> gpg: can't connect to `/tmp/gpg-QMccAq/S.gpg-agent': Aucun fichier ou rpertoire de ce type
[02:06] <pef> Riddell: you have error like this :
[02:06] <pef> ?
[02:06] <wincide> Riddell: tell me a sentence in english and i'll try to translate
[02:06] <wincide> :)
[02:07] <Riddell> wincide: http://kubuntu.org/kubuntu-es.php
[02:07] <fromoze> wincide: I'll doy it ;)
[02:07] <wincide> The growing Kubuntu community has started a Spanish Kubuntu chat channel. #kubuntu-es on freenode IRC will provide help and support to Spanish Kubuntu users.
[02:08] <wincide> la creciente ccomunidad Kubuntu ya tiene un canal de chat sobre Kubuntu en espaol . #kubuntu-es en freenode IRC le dara soporte y ayuda a los usuarios de kubuntu hispano-parlantes
[02:08] <wincide> :D
[02:09] <wincide> sorry .  La creciente comunidad Kubuntu ya tiene un canal de chat sobre Kubuntu en espaol . #kubuntu-es en freenode IRC le dar soporte y ayuda a los usuarios de kubuntu hispano-parlantes
[02:09] <wincide> that's better
[02:10] <wincide> now i'm gonna leave :)
[02:10] <wincide> adios ;)
[02:15] <pef> Riddell: if you're interested in gpg agent, try seahorse-agent, it solved my problem
[02:16] <Riddell> pef: apt-cache search doesn't bring it up
[02:16] <pef> Riddell: provided with seahorse ;)
[02:17] <Riddell> "A Gnome front end for GnuPG" booo
[02:18] <JRe> lol
[02:20] <Riddell> Kubuntu Espaol now on http://kubuntu.org/
[02:21] <pef> but now I don't have to type again and again my looong passphrase when packaging :]
[02:22] <Riddell> Mez should get kgpg updated
[02:27] <Mez> why ?
[02:30] <uniq> hi guys.
[02:31] <Riddell> Mez: weren't you complaining about it?
[02:31] <fromoze> Riddell: sorry, I must answer the phone (VIP: my girlfriend xD); I see the translation is donne.. Then, it's all ok?
[02:32] <Mez> I was complaining but i cant update it myself... I wuldnt know hwhere to start ;:D
[02:33] <pef> Riddell: kubuntu allows hibernate ?
[02:33] <Riddell> pef: depends on your system I think
[02:33] <pef> Riddell: I don't have it on my shutdown menu, what have I missed ?
[02:34] <JRe> pef: talking about the kde shutdown menu?
[02:34] <pef> JRe: yes
[02:34] <JRe> pef: patch it ;)
[02:34] <Riddell> mostly it's part of klaptopdaemon
[02:34] <JRe> Riddell: yes it is
[02:35] <pef> mm ok
[02:35] <Riddell> chowells was doing something to fix up klaptopdaemon, not sure the state of that though
[02:36] <JRe> Riddell: the problem is that KLaptop show up only if you have a laptop, n+o?
[02:36] <Riddell> not sure what makes it show up, I thought an acpi or apm interface would
[02:38] <JRe> Riddell: tough it will not be a bad idea to be allowed to hibernate from the logout menu, no?
[02:38] <Riddell> JRe: sounds like a good idea to me, not sure how you'd do it though
[02:38] <pef> JRe: like in ubuntu
[02:38] <Riddell> ask klaptopdaemon if it's possible I guess
[02:40] <JRe> Riddell: mmm that's a pain i am pretty sure that my computer can do hibernate but klaptop does not show
[02:41] <JRe> pef: hibernate is only with acpi ?
[02:42] <pef> JRe: I don't know, since ubuntu is on a laptop
[02:42] <JRe> pef: on a laptop you can have hibernate with klaptop
[02:43] <JRe> Riddell: ubuntu kernel is compiled with softwaresuspend ?
[02:43] <pef> JRe: I don't have kde on it ;)
[02:43] <pef> JRe: yes, it's softwaresuspend2
[02:43] <JRe> pef: okay!
[02:43] <tvo> when packaging, if I've made a list of build-depends, should I include version numbers?
[02:44] <JRe> tvo: sure
[02:45] <JRe> tvo: but it depends the program
[02:45] <Riddell> tvo: if it depends on a certain version yes
[02:45] <tvo> Riddell: point is that I don't know that
[02:45] <JRe> tvo: automake1.7 for instance doesn't need a version number
[02:45] <Riddell> tvo: well it won't hurt to add them
[02:46] <JRe> tvo: autotools-dev neither
[02:46] <tvo> hmm, ok I'll figure them out them. btw, I should strip off the Nubuntu part I assume: e.g. "libqt3-mt-dev (3:3.3.3)"
[02:47] <tvo> would be "libqt3-mt-dev (>= 3:3.3.3)" of course
[02:47] <tvo> :)
[02:47] <JRe> tvo: what do you package?
[02:47] <tvo> kio-locate
[02:47] <Riddell> tvo: you know there is already a kio-locate package?
[02:48] <tvo> yes i had already a debian/ subdir in the project tree
[02:48] <tvo> I'm doublechecking things, also to learn a bit about packaging
[02:49] <Riddell> tvo: apt-get source kio-locate in breezy to see what's already there
[02:49] <tvo> btw, are there also different packages needed for kubuntu and debian
[02:49] <tvo> ?
[02:50] <Riddell> tvo: I don't think the package is in debian
[02:51] <JRe> Riddell: no kio-locate in Debian
[02:51] <tvo> Riddell: not in their repo's then, but Armin supplies a .deb on his site
[02:52] <JRe> and it's not in WNPP
[02:52] <tvo> what's WNPP?
[02:52] <JRe> Work-Needing and
[02:52] <JRe> Prospective Packages
[02:53] <JRe> tvo: http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/
[02:54] <JRe> Riddell: is it possible for Katapult to use the KDE BTS ?
[02:56] <Riddell> JRe: only if it was in KDE SVN I suspect
[02:57] <JRe> mmm ok
[02:57] <tvo> JRe: it's not in WNPP
[02:57] <JRe> tvo: who is maintaining the kio-locate package?
[02:57] <JRe> tvo: and is kio-locate going to be in kdebase ?
[02:58] <uniq> i did the package currently in breezy.
[02:59] <JRe> uniq: you know if kio-locate is going to be integrated in KDE ?
[02:59] <tvo> uniq: ah ok, so maybe you can help me a bit?  :D
[03:00] <uniq> jre: don't know.
[03:00] <uniq> tvo: sure.
[03:01] <tvo> uniq: that's nice. current status is: i don't know much about packaging :( and have almost entirely new kio-locate source
[03:01] <tvo> i'm now adding breezy source repo and getting your package
[03:02] <uniq> I guess you could copy the debian dir from my package.
[03:02] <uniq> you still use scons?
[03:03] <JRe> tvo: you're the upstream of kio-locate ?
[03:05] <tvo> uniq: yes, updated to newest bksys version
[03:07] <tvo> JRe: guess so yes, maybe upstream author too
[03:08] <JRe> tvo: you're the author or not?
[03:10] <uniq> tvo: if you're upstream now, please remove the included scons-mini from the upstream source. :)
[03:11] <uniq> or make it more sensible somehow. distribute two source tarballs or something.
[03:11] <tvo> JRe: suppose so, it's a fork of the code of Armin now
[03:11] <tvo> uniq: that should be easy
[03:11] <JRe> armin has stopped development
[03:11] <JRe> ?
[03:22] <tvo> JRe, I don't know, in any case, he doesn't develop as active as I do atm.
[03:23] <tvo> unfortunately i can only reach him per e-mail, I could ask him who is official upstream etc.
[03:25] <tvo> dmn this packaging stuff is difficult :( even c++ is way easier ;p
[03:53] <tvo> am i right in that the *.orig.tar.gz contains upstream author's source and *.diff.gz contains differences made by maintainer?
[03:55] <Riddell> tvo: yep
[03:55] <tvo> ok, now trying to if i can get a package build..
[04:04] <tvo> w00000t
[04:04] <tvo> got apackage compiled :)
[04:05] <tvo> now to do it again with right versions/changelog etc
[04:12] <\sh> Riddell: ping
[04:12] <\sh> Riddell: kdelibs4-dev: Depends: libarts1-dev (>= 1.4.0) but it is not going to be installed Depends: libopenexr-dev (>= 1.2.1) but it is not going to be installed Depends: libqt3-mt-dev (>= 3.3.3) but it is not going to be installed
[04:20] <Riddell> \sh: hmm?
[04:20] <Riddell> \sh: amd64?
[04:36] <\sh> Riddell: i386
[04:36] <\sh> Riddell: local pbuilder
[04:47] <Riddell> \sh: I can installed kdelibs4-dev ok today (couldn't yesterday due to xbase-clients being broken)
[04:47] <uniq> i can't instlal it.
[04:48] <uniq> same error \sh pasted.
[04:48] <Riddell> uniq: try using uk mirror maybe
[04:49] <uniq> i use archive.ubuntu.com
[04:49] <uniq> i can try to change.
[04:49] <Riddell> hmm
[04:49] <uniq> uk.archive and archive are the same.
[04:50] <Riddell> yes
[04:51] <\sh> actually, I'm using only archive.ubuntu.com
[04:51] <uniq> that's the same i use. and it's the same as uk.archive.
[04:51] <\sh> but it looks like, that we have issues with qt and stuff, eventually because of Xorg?
[04:52] <uniq> hmm..
[04:53] <uniq> i can install kdelibs4-dev if i apt-get install libarts1-dev libqt3-mt-dev kdelibs4-dev
[04:53] <uniq> The following extra packages will be installed:
[04:53] <uniq>   libglu1-xorg-dev libopenexr-dev
[04:53] <\sh> ok...libglu
[04:53] <\sh> yes
[04:53] <uniq> could be that.
[04:54] <\sh> riddell: I'm going home now...so I can have a look on qt...if u want..provide a debdiff later?
[04:55] <\sh> ok...home :)
[04:58] <uniq> \sh_away: would be nice if you had a look at kio-apt in revu. http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=117
[05:29] <Mez> lol
[05:29] <Mez> had kubuntupult rejected on SF
[05:29] <Mez> Inadequate registration description or license detail; or additional information required
[06:03] <\sh> re
[06:40] <Riddell> seth_k: any resolution to the libXrender.la issue?  I've just come across it
[06:41] <seth_k> Riddell: I asked daniels, he said he would look at it later
[06:41] <seth_k> I got the impression he was pretty busy
[06:47] <seth_k> what build is hanging you up?
[06:48] <Riddell> seth_k: ggz-kde-games
[06:49] <seth_k> uses libtool?
[06:50] <Riddell> yes
[06:52] <seth_k> okay. Let me know if you find out anything, if you have time, Riddell. Thanks
[06:56] <\sh> oh...it's even more worse now ,-)
[06:56] <\sh> kdelibs4-dev: Depends: kdelibs4c2 (= 4:3.4.1-0ubuntu5) but it is not going to be installed Depends: kdelibs-bin (= 4:3.4.1-0ubuntu5) but it is not going to be installed
[06:56] <seth_k> oh joy
[06:57] <seth_k> btw \sh are you feeling better today
[06:58] <\sh> seth: yepp..no problem :) sometimes some bad things are happening to often..
[06:58] <seth_k> yep, i understand. glad to hear you are doing better though
[06:59] <\sh> concentrate on my work  now :) it helps to forget :)
[08:14] <Riddell> hmm, kdelibs doesn't compile without libXrender.la
[08:15] <seth_k> haha
[08:15] <seth_k> it just doesn't end
[08:17] <Mez> Riddell, didn't seth tell you that yesterday ?
[08:18] <Riddell> Mez: seth_k had problems with a different package, I just tried kdelibs now
[08:18] <Mez> oh, fair enough
[08:22] <seth_k> daniels is a very popular guy right now, everyone wants him for a different issue
[08:36] <Riddell> "Martin Meredith has been successfully subscribed to kubuntu-bugs." poor chap
[08:43] <Mez> lol - I was getting it through gmane before :D
[08:43] <Mez> but I'm moving to getting them all through email
[08:50] <seth_k> any progress on libxrender, Riddell?
[08:51] <tvo> ls
[08:51] <tvo> oops:)
[08:51] <seth_k> directory is empty
[08:51] <Riddell> seth_k: compliling qt to see if that breaks too
[08:52] <seth_k> :D
[08:52] <seth_k> ok Riddell
[08:52] <Riddell> I expect it isn't since qt shouldn't use libtool
[08:52] <tvo> seth_k :D
[08:53] <tvo> Riddell, are packages like libc automagically added to dependencies?
[08:55] <tvo> I don't understand why http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/kde/kio-locate lists different deps than .dsc and debian/control
[08:55] <tvo> and it's the same version
[08:55] <Riddell> tvo: yes, build-essential is assumed to be installed
[08:55] <Riddell> tvo: because shlibs is expanded?
[08:56] <tvo> that explains the ones that got added, but not the ones that got removed
[08:57] <tvo> bzip2 and scons are missing on the packages.ubuntu.com page
[08:58] <Riddell> tvo: bzip2 and scons are build-depends
[08:58] <Riddell> they arn't needed for the actual package, only compiling it
[08:59] <Riddell> tvo: look at debian/control, the top section is the build stuff, then the next section is for the actual package
[09:00] <tvo> ah only depends are listed on that webpage, got a bit confused by the two different depends
[09:01] <Riddell> http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/source/kio-locate
[09:01] <Riddell> source page too
[09:02] <tvo> ah ok
[09:03] <tvo> uniq: could it be that libqt3-mt-dev (>= 3:3.3.3-7ubuntu3) is missing from build-depends?
[09:03] <tvo> or depends kdelibs-dev on it?
[09:04] <tvo> nevermind i figured it out myself
[09:04] <Riddell> kdelibs4-dev depends on qt-dev
[09:05] <tvo> yep
[09:06] <Riddell> deb:foo should work
[09:19] <tvo> for version, i suppose 0.4.2tvo0.1 will do, as you suggested earlier?
[09:20] <Riddell> yeah
[09:21] <tvo> should I also specify a Conflicts: or Replaces: field with "kio-locate (= 0.4.2-0ubuntu1)" in it?
[09:22] <Riddell> tvo: no
[09:22] <Riddell> don't conflict with self
[09:22] <Riddell> only one version of the package is going to be installed at any time
[09:23] <tvo> ah ok, i keep learning :p
[09:37] <tvo> Riddell: am I right in saying that the *.diff.gz file will be empty (or rather, the .diff will be empty)?
[09:37] <tvo> because I'm author+maintainer
[09:38] <Riddell> tvo: yes, if your "release" is exactly the same as your package
[09:39] <tvo> i suppose it makes no sense for me to modify the release, but not the package
[10:39] <tvo> Riddell: is it common/required to include the configure cache in the package too?
[10:39] <Riddell> tvo: don't think so
[10:40] <tvo> ok thanks
[10:53] <tvo> Riddell: in which package is 'dch' (for debian/changelog)? i can't find it
[10:54] <Riddell> tvo: devscripts?
[10:56] <tvo> k thanks
[10:57] <pef_aw> tvo: first result of apt-cache search dch ;)
[10:57] <Riddell> tvo: make sure you edit the KubuntuPackageGuide as you find things lacking :)
[10:58] <tvo> pef_aw: ok, should have tried that one too
[10:58] <tvo> Riddell: yeah, first I'm trying to understand things :)
[11:00] <tvo> if I want to sent a plain debian package to armin too, I should make two packages, is that right?
[11:01] <tvo> one with version unstable and one with breezy in debian/changelog
[11:01] <Riddell> tvo: the version in the changelog doesn't actually matter much unless it's being uploaded
[11:02] <tvo> ah ok, in that case i'll just make the breezy one and send that to armin with a note about that
[11:02] <tvo> since it wasn't in debian iirc, but it is to be in breezy
[11:14] <pef_aw> minor changes (like renaming the source tarball to foo-x.y.tar.gz) must be mentionned in the debian.readme or changelog ?
[11:15] <Riddell> pef: don't need to mention that
[11:15] <pef> ok, thanks
[11:27] <tvo> Riddell, are these serious warnings? --> http://rafb.net/paste/results/e0hBid40.html
[11:27] <tvo> the first one is BS, but i've no clue about the second one
[11:28] <Riddell> tvo: first is a bug in lintian
[11:29] <Riddell> tvo: second one you normally call --disable-rpath on ./configure
[11:29] <Riddell> dunno what you do with scons
[11:29] <tvo> hmm, i doubt if scons has that, but i'll check
[11:29] <Riddell> I havn't worked out what an rpath is or why it's bad but apparantly it is
[11:30] <tvo> hehe. Well I'll assume it is for now, and see if I can fix it


[09:58] <andrejz> morning
[09:58] <andrejz> does anyone know if the upload of packages is still blocked ?
[09:59] <TLE> good morning
[10:00] <andrejz> Hello TLE
[10:15] <TLE> currently proofreading freeciv translation, kind of makes me want to play :)
[10:17] <andrejz> I played gbrainy like crazy on friday while testing the translations, especially word analogies
[10:17] <andrejz> :)
[10:17] <happyaron> gbrainy...
[10:18] <TLE> WOW
[10:19] <TLE> The string "View" that has a comment attached to it, to let the translator know whether it is the verb or the noun, now I have seen everything
[10:19] <TLE> hell must be freezing over
[10:20] <happyaron> gbrainy is a hell for translators...
[10:20] <TLE> *G*
[10:20] <andrejz> @happyaron: I agree :)
[10:20] <TLE> yeah those word analogies have given us some problem as well
[10:21] <andrejz> every a couple of months i go through it again and always find a string or two to fix
[10:21] <TLE> so does ask I think
[10:22] <TLE> no actually, it seems that freeciv have given the code a major i18n overhaul, I see an incredible amount of helpfull comments
[10:22] <TLE> it's so noce
[10:22] <TLE> nice


[00:22] <xubuntu511> hi
[00:57] <erxyz> I am trying to install Xubuntu now with the alternate CD
[00:57] <erxyz> and i keep getting the error at 6%
[00:58] <erxyz> varning
[00:58] <erxyz> file:///cdrom/pool/main/c/console-setup/console-setup_1.34ubuntu15all.deb was corrupt
[00:59] <erxyz> Seems impossible to get it installed
[01:22] <ochosi> erxyz: well, i would guess that your image or your cd is corrupt
[01:23] <ochosi> erxyz: if you didn't use torrent for download, check the md5 sum of the image
[01:24] <ochosi> erxyz: if you did use torrent (or local_md5==server_md5) then check your cd-burning programme (or create a usb-bootstick)
[03:16] <Raggs> hi all
[10:04] <Chrissyboy> help required on editing Xubuntu dual boot GRUB menu
[10:08] <nikolam> hmm Chrissyboy
[10:09] <nikolam> there is article on help.ubuntu.com about grub 2 procedures
[10:10] <nikolam> Chrissyboy, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[10:12] <Chrissyboy> yeh read most of it - however, I have a dual boot OS, Ubuntu 10.04 was 1st on the menu, then I installed Xubuntu as well, but it stole 1st 2n and 3rd base!!
[10:13] <Chrissyboy> I found menu.lst on the ubu OS and tried to change the default to line 6 but it didnt recognise it
[10:14] <Sysi> you shouldn't install xubuntu totally separately
[10:14] <Chrissyboy> I was also told i would have to change the menu in Xubu OS - so I went to the /boot folder, yes totally seperate
[10:15] <Chrissyboy> however the Xbu folder /boot didnt have a menu.lst file so I here!!
[10:16] <bazhang> Chrissyboy, did you read how there is not a menu.lst now?
[10:18] <bazhang> also, why not just install xubuntu-desktop with the existing gnome installation
[10:19] <Sysi> you have kinda old installation of ubuntu if there is menu.lst
[10:19] <Chrissyboy> mm - i see what u mean - its been changed to grub.cfg
[10:19] <bazhang> wonder if there is grub and grub2
[10:21] <Chrissyboy> The above link was not the one I was thinking of - it was on the Ubu Forums - Thanks for this link.
[10:24] <Chrissyboy> ok looks like /etc/default/grub is the location I need to find and edit?
[10:24] <bazhang> of course never directly edit grub.cfg
[10:26] <Chrissyboy> am i on the right track here?
[10:26] <Chrissyboy> version is Xubuntu 10.04
[10:35] <Matt__> Hi guys. Forgive me if this is a complete n00b question but after installing 10.04 I thought I had lost the system menu (applications - places - system) through a bad upgrade or something. After a lot of Googling I don't seem to be able to restore it. After checking the xubuntu website to see if I'd missed anything, I noticed on the screenshot of the new desktop there was no system option....
[10:35] <Matt__> ...Is this then by design? If so how do I access things like stsyem->preferences?
[10:36] <Sysi> from menu
[10:37] <Sysi> applications → settings
[10:37] <Sysi> and system
[10:37] <Matt__> I noticed that and there is no option for preferences.
[10:38] <Matt__> Am I looking in the wrong place?
[10:38] <knome> for what preferences?
[10:38] <Matt__> Yes
[10:39] <knome> what do you mean by "preferences"?
[10:39] <knome> preferred applications?
[10:40] <Matt__> No sorry, the menu where you can change things like fonts, font sizes, desktop background, etc.
[10:40] <Sysi> they aren't in same name as in ubuntu or as in same way
[10:40] <knome> applications » preferences
[10:41] <Matt__> No preferences option knome.
[10:41] <Matt__> Can I add in manually?
[10:41] <Sysi> don't care about names
[10:43] <Matt__> Sysi, I don't seem to be able to find the menu anywhere even after trying every menu option in applications and places as a last resort. I'm not even looking for the name any longer but just referencing here as that is what majoprity of people know it as. :)
[10:43] <Matt__> majority*
[10:44] <knome> Matt__, applications » settings » appearance
[10:44] <knome> Matt__, "preferences" does not tell anything, really, since that can mean *any* kind of preferences
[10:45] <mendocinox>  ikonia hola bruder:D matt bro:D
[10:45] <mendocinox> Pici bruder:D
[10:45] <Matt__> With you. apologies for the ambiguity
[10:45] <mendocinox> bazhang bro:D
[10:45] <knome> Matt__, np :) did you find the settings you looked for?
[10:46] <knome> mendocinox, please stop
[10:46] <mendocinox> knome ola!
[10:46] <Matt__> No appearance option in applications -> settings
[10:46] <knome> Matt__, really? do you have a clean xubuntu installation?
[10:46] <bazhang> mendocinox, what?
[10:47] <knome> Matt__, try 'sudo apt-get install xfce4-mcs-plugins'
[10:47] <Matt__> It was clean install of Karmic upgraded to Lucid
[10:47] <knome> Matt__, weird, i say, weird
[10:48] <Matt__> I'll give that a try and if that doesn't work, then I'll grab a copy of Lucid and do a fresh install. If that's where it should be then it may have been a bad install.
[10:48] <Sysi> release upgrades can cause problems
[10:48] <Matt__> Thanks guys ;)
[10:48] <knome> Matt__, well, if it doesn't work, ask again
[10:48] <knome> Matt__, we can try to work it out without reinstalling
[10:49] <Matt__> No worries. If it is a bad install/upgrade then that may not be the only thing wrong so would rather reinstall rather than fix problems as they occur.
[10:50] <knome> Matt__, i think it's the upgrade that caused this problem. before lucid i had upgraded and upgraded all the way from 6.06 :)
[10:53] <Matt__> That fix didn't work. Will try a reinstall. knome, sysi - help much appreciated.
[10:53] <knome> Matt__, well, you're welcome. good luck with the installation :)
[11:59] <erxyz> having problems with Xubuntu, finally got it "installed" with the Alternate CD, but now I cannot run it
[12:00] <erxyz> I also tried using the normal CD, but i choose language, choose Install, then a logo appears, then it disapears after some seconds, and nothing happens afterwards
[12:00] <erxyz> I installed it in "text" mode with Alternate CD
[12:01] <erxyz> But when I startup PC, i just get the logo and then "keys: Continue to wait; or Press S to skip.."
[12:01] <erxyz> i continue to wait, logo dispear and screen goes black and nothing happens
[12:13] <subspider> hello everyone
[12:24] <erxyz> anybody know how to solve this problem i described above?
[12:32] <mad_ady> Hello everyone
[12:32] <mad_ady> I have a rather noob-ish question
[12:33] <mad_ady> I'm trying to switch from /etc/network/interfaces configuration script to NetworkManager
[12:33] <mad_ady> on ubuntu 10.04.
[12:33] <mad_ady> My problem is - so far I haven't managed to start nm-applet.
[12:34] <mad_ady> Or, more accurately, it starts, but it doesn't show in my notification section on the panel
[12:34] <mad_ady> I've reinstalled (purge+install) the network-manager package
[12:34] <mad_ady> anything I could try?
[12:39] <mad_ady> http://paste.ubuntu.com/446598/
[12:45] <mad_ady> nothing?
[13:40] <lighta> Hi guys =), so I have a little probleme. I wanted to put a script on system lunch so I was looking for /etc/rc.d, but I found like 7 rcx.d folder, (from 0 to 6) what this mean and where should I put my script ?
[13:42] <slow-motion> hi
[13:43] <lighta> hi
[13:44] <knome> lighta, do you need it run before your desktop session starts?
[13:44] <lighta> yes I prefer
[13:45] <knome> lighta,     * /etc/rc.d/rc*.d - where “*” is a number corresponding to the default run level. Contains files for services to be started and stopped at that run level. On rpm-based systems, these files are symbolic links to the initialization scripts themselves, which are in /etc/rc.d/init.d.
[13:46] <lighta> I have no rc.d folder
[13:47] <lighta> have an rc.local and rcS.d
[16:48] <mrandrzejak> hi all. can anyone explain me the key differences with xubuntu compared with lubuntu? xfce and lxde are the major differences?
[16:49] <mrandrzejak> ive recently installed lubuntu on an old desktop, but thinking to switch to xubuntu as im just more familiar with ubuntu stuff
[16:49] <Sysi> !xfce
[16:49] <Sysi> !lxde
[16:49] <Sysi> no info about that
[16:50] <Sysi> DE and maybe some programs
[16:50] <likemindead> LXDE is one of my least favorite desktop environments. :-\
[16:51] <likemindead> It's like using Windows 3.1 or something. Blech.
[16:51] <Sysi> bit hard to configure maybe
[18:21] <zvacet> how can I add something from applications ( let say browser) to the panel
[18:25] <zvacet> in gnome i select what i want>right click>add to panel I want to know how it works in xfce
[18:45] <slow-motion> bye
[19:34] <xubuntu203> nice feature: webchat during installation process :-)
[20:25] <thueringer> guten abend alle zusammen = hello to everybody
[21:35] <onebitxajax> I hate rat can I change all icons of rat in sheep or something else?? pls??
[21:45] <lighta> it's a mouse not a rat =)
[21:53] <onebitxajax> can someone help me change all the mouse in sheep or something else??
[23:05] <mikubuntu> can anybody tell me how to remotely access my sister's computer to perform updates, etc ?
[23:05] <ochosi> mikubuntu: prolly ssh?
[23:07] <mikubuntu> ochosi, is there like an app?
[23:07] <ochosi> mikubuntu: so i assume you've never used ssh then
[23:08] <knome> mikubuntu, vnc for graphical access
[23:08] <ochosi> but for performing updates a shell would be enough
[23:08] <mikubuntu> i tried to access using her ip address and username using the remote access viewer on ubuntu, and i think it accessed her machine but i only saw a black screen, like a terminal
[23:08] <ochosi> if you'd like to try that you could install the openssh-server on your sisters pc
[23:09] <ochosi> well a terminal is perfect for updates
[23:09] <ochosi> just do a "sudo apt-get update"
[23:09] <ochosi> and then a "sudo apt-get upgrade"
[23:09] <mikubuntu> ochosi, but if i want full gui access for customizing her view, etc?
[23:10] <ochosi> well then knome's advice is for you
[23:10] <mikubuntu> so vnc is the app?
[23:11] <ochosi> it's the name of the service
[23:11] <ochosi> i've never used with xubuntu though i have to admit
[23:11] <ochosi> have you knome ?
[23:11] <knome> sure
[23:11] <mikubuntu> her machine is xubuntu and mine is ubuntu
[23:12] <knome> applications » network » remote desktop viewer
[23:12] <knome> mikubuntu, is there any firewalls in between?
[23:13] <mikubuntu> ummm, i don't think so .. nothing that i remember installing
[23:15] <mikubuntu> knome, that remote desktop viewer is what i tried, but i don't know if i actually accessed her computer, it din't even ask me for a password
[23:15] <mikubuntu> it asked for an ip address, which i called and she got for me, and a username
[23:16] <knome> mikubuntu, try to run 'x11vnc -safer -accept -once -display :0' from your sister's computer
[23:16] <knome> mikubuntu, and try again
[23:17] <mikubuntu> knome, i'm in florida and she's in georgia, do you mean run that through the remote viewer, or call her and have her run in terminal?
[23:18] <knome> call her
[23:18] <knome> (if i understood correctly, the remote viewer does not work (yet))
[23:18] <mikubuntu> i'm wondering if she'll be able to handle that .. haha, that's why i want to get in and do her updates and upgrades
[23:19] <knome> mikubuntu, well, if you had an ssh access, you'd be able to run that yourself
[23:20] <knome> mikubuntu, that would be 'sudo apt-get install openssh-server' as ochosi said
[23:20] <mikubuntu> knome, thats what i want to do is learn to set up a permanent access .. i also just sent an old box up to her mother in law, who will also not have any clue at first (if ever) of how to do anything past launching firefox
[23:21] <knome> mikubuntu, i'd say aim for ssh first.
[23:21] <knome> mikubuntu, then you have terminal access, which is pretty much already
[23:21] <mikubuntu> that install openssh-server is on my computer or her computer, or both
[23:21] <knome> her
[23:22] <knome> then 'ssh her_username@her_ip' from terminal
[23:22] <mikubuntu> k, after i get that done, i come back and look for you for help :) ?
[23:23] <mikubuntu> can she run that command from an alt/f2 terminal ?
[23:24] <mikubuntu> knome, will i be able to 'see' more than a terminal?  will i be able to see her desktop?
[23:27] <knome> mikubuntu, no, she needs terminal
[23:27] <knome> mikubuntu, once you get an ssh connection, you can run the x11vnc command yourself
[23:27] <knome> mikubuntu, and be able to connect via vnc (remote desktop viewer)
[23:28] <mikubuntu> knome, so the remote viewer will give me an actual gui view of her desktop?
[23:28] <knome> mikubuntu, yes
[23:28] <knome> that's why it's called "viewer"
[23:29] <mikubuntu> is the whole ssh installation a matter of running the'install openssh-server' then?
[23:30] <mikubuntu> waiting for her to call me back her cordless phone battery dying, she has to get the other handset
[23:31] <knome> mikubuntu, yes, 'sudo apt-get install openssh-server'


[00:22] <__raven_> hi
[00:22] <__raven_> how to disable crash reporting?
[00:57] <GridCube> how do i know if a cdrom drive is being detected?
[00:58] <holstein> GridCube: i just throw something in and try and mount
[00:58] <GridCube> because it obviously its not opening the cd im placing in it
[00:58] <holstein> GridCube: no discs? i had one that had "lost the ability" to read DVD's, but read CD's
[00:58] <GridCube> and i dont know if its the cds/dvds im trying or its that the sata slot im using is not being read
[01:00] <GridCube> no. tried several cds/dvs
[01:00] <GridCube> :(
[01:01] <__raven_> how to disable crash reporting?
[01:04] <holstein> __raven_: http://askubuntu.com/questions/93457/how-do-i-enable-or-disable-apport
[01:04] <holstein> GridCube: :/
[01:04] <GridCube> \:
[01:04] <GridCube> im pretty sure the device is not being detected but i dont know how to check
[01:05] <holstein> if the disc work elsewhere, then something is wrong with the hardware.. could be the drive is bad, or the cable.. i would just trade things out til i get it sorted
[01:07] <GridCube> yeah, but i have to shut down the pc again to check XD i just wanted to check some old backup cds/dvd to see what was on them
[02:15] <xubuntu051> start up borks after splashscreen, happened right after update to 13.10
[02:18] <xubuntu051> tried older kernel and daily build.  no joy
[02:23] <xubuntu051> nvidia card, if anyone there...
[02:31] <Si7> do you get a console at all?
[02:31] <Si7> or just black nothingness?
[02:32] <krytarik> Si7: They are gone already. :P
[02:34] <Si7> oops :(
[03:46] <xubuntu076> anybody here alive
[03:48] <Unit193> I'd think not many dead....
[03:48] <Unit193> !ask
[03:57] <xubuntu586> may i ask a technical question?
[03:59] <xubuntu586> I am trying to run win7 on one disk, win8 on another, but after my Ubuntu 13.10 installation i only get the GRUB> cmd line when trying to boot to the ubuntu disk
[04:00] <Unit193> !uefi
[04:01] <xubuntu586> thank you
[05:20] <dalit> hi
[05:27] <hurdorbsd> hi
[05:28] <hurdorbsd> I installed Xubuntu with Encrypted Disk and it ask me to choose a passphrase .. I have to enter it everytime I login
[05:29] <hurdorbsd> But it also asked me to save a auto generated passphrase .. and print and save it ..
[05:29] <hurdorbsd> What is that for?
[05:34] <Rochvellon> hurdorbsd> it ist for accessing the harddisk with your data in case your system is corrupted und you cannot start it any more. then you can take a live system and backup your data e.g.
[05:35] <hurdorbsd> Ok I get it .. so Do I have to print and save it??
[05:35] <hurdorbsd> or update it same online safely?
[05:35] <hurdorbsd> Print and save is way better right?
[05:35] <Rochvellon> i think so
[05:35] <hurdorbsd> Ok
[05:37] <hurdorbsd> How can I test my FGLRX graphics ... see I am using Opensource graphics right now .. I can play 720p without any flaw .. but when I play 1080p it is problematic .. I installed fglrx-updates driver from hardware driver option but again same problem .. but it was not the case in Windows
[05:41] <hurdorbsd> When I use an external HDD I get Error when getting information for file '/media/bud/New Volume/xubuntu-13.10-desktop-amd64.iso': Input/output error.
[05:49] <Rochvellon> hurdorbsd> it could be a failure of the harddisk. what's about the smart status?
[06:32] <hurdorbsd> Rochvellon I fixed it on a Windows system ..
[06:32] <hurdorbsd> It just repaired it in Secs
[06:32] <hurdorbsd> maybe cuz it was formated with Windows
[06:36] <hurdorbsd> how to install ttfs in xubuntu
[06:49] <koegs> either via apt-get or put it in /usr/share/fonts/truetype
[06:59] <hurdorbsd> koegs but when I use my ttf fonts in AbiWord it won't work y
[07:06] <koegs> hurdorbsd: try this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fonts#Manually
[07:06] <hurdorbsd> I did it .. but it is not showing my fonts in AbiWord .. I mean it shows them but won't show preview of the fonts and neither would it show when I type em
[07:08] <hurdorbsd> Do I need to install restricted extra?
[07:12] <xubuntu484> Hey everyone. I'm running Xubuntu and I got into the text command line interface and it kicked me out of the GUI, what command will close this and get me back into the GUI?
[07:12] <hurdorbsd> startx
[07:13] <xubuntu484> startx gave me a fatal IO error 11
[07:17] <koegs> xubuntu484: sudo restart lightdm
[07:17] <hurdorbsd> sudo kill lightdm
[07:18] <xubuntu484> all good now, thanks
[07:18] <hurdorbsd> ok
[07:19] <hurdorbsd> I am installing xubuntu restricted plugins
[07:19] <xubuntu484> Running the terminal emulator gives me the same commands as the text command line interface, right?
[07:19] <koegs> it is basically the same, just a different interface
[07:20] <hurdorbsd> linux is fast with cp stuff idk y
[07:20] <hurdorbsd> it is 15% faster than windows with same machine
[07:39] <freedomrun> gm
[07:39] <freedomrun> is it possible to get unread notification count and read them in panel?
[07:39] <hurdorbsd> ok
[07:55] <NuSuey> well, anyone with a problem with skype (latest) on xbuntu (13.10) - I don't get any output from the caller, I hear the "login" sound of skype, but not the caller.. tried to change sound output in the pulseaudio-prefs, nothing.. restarted skype, nothing, killed pulsaudio and restarted it.. nothing :o
[08:00] <NuSuey> I guess it's just some general skype issue.. should probably use Hangouts instead
[08:09] <NuSuey> everybody sleeping .. I guess
[10:22] <ObrienDave> I think I just borked my Xubuntu partition
[10:23] <cfhowlett> ObrienDave, Happy Thanksgiving?
[10:24] <ObrienDave> cfhowlett... thanks, and you too. I hope ;)
[10:25] <ObrienDave> gparted is showing my partitions intact but grub won't boot
[10:25] <ObrienDave> now running off a USB drive
[10:26] <cfhowlett> ObrienDave, reinstall grub.
[10:26] <ObrienDave> how, please
[10:26] <cfhowlett> !grub
[10:27] <cfhowlett> see the restoregrub link
[10:28] <ObrienDave> k, working
[10:30] <ObrienDave> brb
[10:40] <fajfarde> Hello there I have a little question. I am trying to install a Dell network printer using the Guthenprint drivers. And every installation of the printer craches with a nonresponsive installation window. Any ideas?
[10:42] <freedomrun> have ou already read documentation for your printer driver installation on linux?
[10:43] <cfhowlett> !cups
[10:44] <cfhowlett> fajfarde, try to add via cups
[10:44] <fajfarde> will try thx for the quick help.
[10:52] <ObrienDave> my windows partitions are still working. no OS in Xubuntu partition. grrrrr
[10:53] <ObrienDave> i borked Xubuntu big time. :/
[10:54] <cfhowlett> ObrienDave, how?
[10:54] <cfhowlett> uefi?  windows 8?
[10:55] <ObrienDave> no, bios, win7
[10:56] <ObrienDave> was trying to use mini-iso to install to another USB. I killed it in the middle of the install. impatient. grrrrr
[10:56] <ObrienDave> grub wont boot from HD. trying again
[10:58] <cfhowlett> ObrienDave, shouldn't have borked your HDD installation
[10:59] <ObrienDave> yea, I installed to sdb. I know HD is sda
[11:00] <ObrienDave> i ran chkdsk on my win7 install. ok there.
[11:01] <ObrienDave> trying boot-repair again. brb
[11:08] <ObrienDave> laptop boots straight into windows now. sort of a good sign. no grub. xubuntu partition mostly empty. grrrrr
[11:10] <cfhowlett> worst case is a reinstall
[11:10] <ObrienDave> yea, was afraid of that. lost everything under Xubuntu. geez louise
[11:11] <ObrienDave> dummy me.
[11:14] <ObrienDave> dang, great start to my day
[11:15] <cfhowlett> ObrienDave, lay off the rum and eggnog.  enjoy the pumpkin pie.  come back tomorrow.
[11:16] <ObrienDave> LOL been sober for a month. probably need to imbibe bunches ;))
[11:24] <ObrienDave> going to take an hour to D/L the ISO. grrr
[11:25] <ObrienDave> oh well, been meaning to clean out all the junk anyway
[11:26] <cfhowlett> !torrent|ObrienDave, don't download: torrent.
[11:26] <ObrienDave> yes, by torrent. LOL
[11:27] <ObrienDave> 2.5 Mb/s DSL :S
[11:27] <ObrienDave> thanks, I've been around the block a few times ;))
[11:36] <ObrienDave> you probably wouldn't agree with that statement right about now ;))
[13:27] <xubuntu991> should i install the 14.04 daily live?
[13:28] <baizon> xubuntu991: if you like to test thinkgs
[13:28] <baizon> *things
[13:29] <xubuntu991> is it usable? or just for a livecd test?
[13:56] <baizon> xubuntu484: alphas are always for testing
[13:56] <baizon> you cant expect them to be very stable
[13:56] <baizon> ou, hes gone :/
[13:58] <ObrienDave> how do I re-enable quick search in synaptic?
[13:59] <ObrienDave> LOL never mind, it showed up. sheesh
[14:01] <baizon> :)
[14:02] <ObrienDave> borked my Xubuntu partition. starting over. GRRRRRR
[17:34] <clipper> Hi, I am running 12.04 but I want to change the artwork for the boot screen and login screens to the new version in 13.*, can anyone tell me how I can do this?
[18:08] <addaitech> anyone know where i can find a network bandwidth monitor panel applet for xfce, google searches are turning up a bunch of dead links for me
[18:10] <TheSheep> !info xfce4-netload-plugin
[18:11] <addaitech> was just looking at that one couldnt find a link for it to download, must be blind ;\
[18:12] <addaitech> hah
[18:12] <addaitech> nm i see it right after i say that
[18:12] <addaitech> thank you sir
[18:13] <TheSheep> you don't download it, you install it from the repos
[18:18] <addaitech> ok nevermind, that things ugly as sin anyway lol
[18:24] <TheSheep> addaitech: it's not that bad when you disable labels and change the colors
[18:24] <addaitech> i'll have to mess with it some later
[18:33] <geodberyl> hi
[18:46] <xubuntu886> alve
[18:46] <xubuntu886> salve
[19:05] <black_baron1> hey y'all
[19:11] <junka> !bugs
[19:43] <junka> I cant stand this anymore with THIS BUG :( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-sound/+bug/1208204
[19:48] <brainwash> junka: simply apply the workaround
[19:48] <junka> which comment?
[19:49] <brainwash> #5 if you don't use Unity/Gnome
[19:49] <junka> is there any chance of xfce 4.12 to be introduced in 14.04?
[19:49] <baizon> junka: not really
[19:49] <brainwash> first 4.12 needs to be released
[19:50] <brainwash> it isn't yet
[19:50] <junka> shame
[19:51] <baizon> junka: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/11/expect-xubuntu-14-04-lts
[19:56] <junka> oh nice
[19:56] <junka> i thougt xubuntu has a 3 year old support
[19:56] <junka> for lts
[19:56] <bekks> 12.04 has 5 years.
[20:03] <junka> ubuntu yes 5
[20:03] <junka> xubuntu 3
[20:07] <junka> http://www.webupd8.org/2013/10/xubuntu-1310-sound-indicator-fix.html#more
[20:07] <junka> is this better workaround?
[20:11] <junka> ???
[20:12] <baizon> junka: yes, i used this fix
[20:12] <baizon> i've*
[20:13] <junka> on webupd8?
[20:14] <junka> baizon, did gmusicbrowser also appears to work under the volume bar?
[20:14] <baizon> junka: cant tell, im using clementine
[20:18] <junka> clementine then
[20:24] <junka> Name=com.canonical.indicator.sound
[20:24] <junka> OMG CONONICAL SPYWARE EVERYWHERE
[20:24] <junka> lol
[20:28] <junka> fixed <#
[20:28] <junka> <3
[20:42] <sventon> hi all.  I try to follow the instructions here: http://javahacker.com/how-to-setup-ubuntu-under-macos-x-on-a-macbook-with-swedish-keyboard-svenskt-tangentbord-using-virtualbox/  but the guide is writen for gnome and i am not able to find this menu in xf4. Do I need to install gnome to change this settings ?
[20:43] <sventon> In gnome you can select "System->Preferences->Keyboard" and then "key bord model"
[20:45] <Sh1G3rU> sventon, settings -> keyboard -> layout
[20:48] <sventon> Sh1G3rU: oh, I run lubuntu, maybe the xfce have a diffrent layout compared with xbuntu ?  I have no settings -> keyboard -> layout option
[20:50] <pleia2> sventon: lubuntu is lxde, not xfce, you probably want to ask in #lubuntu
[20:52] <sventon> pleia2: sorry, did not know about the #lubuntu room , thanks
[23:01] <addaitech> how can i remove ubuntu software center?
[23:01] <addaitech> ah nm i think i got it
[23:03] <addaitech> was trying apt-get get remove software center forgoet the - duh...
[23:04] <slickymaster> addaitech, did you manage to do it or do yo need any help?
[23:04] <addaitech> i got it thanks :)
[23:05] <slickymaster> addaitech, no problem
[23:06] <addaitech> for some reason it runs really slow for me, seems like a waste to keep it when I dont use it anyway, would rather just use synaptic or apt-get
[23:07] <slickymaster> addaitech, if you can manage to work easily with apt-get, you're, there's really no need for it
[23:07] <addaitech> woah
[23:07] <slickymaster> you're right ^^
[23:08] <addaitech> Removing xubuntu-desktop ...
[23:08] <addaitech> that cant be good
[23:08] <slickymaster> nops, but that isn't supposed to happen
[23:09] <addaitech> all i did was apt-get remove software-center
[23:10] <slickymaster> addaitech, since you have synaptic, why don't you use it for removing the SC?
[23:10] <addaitech> im going to now after i reinstall the desktop
[23:12] <addaitech> yuck installing firefox again too eww ;\
[23:12] <slickymaster> addaitech, it's part of xubuntu-desktop
[23:14] <slickymaster> brb
[23:26] <addaitech> yeah i know i always remove it though, im not a fan of it
[23:26] <slickymaster> ;) I'm a Chrome man, myself
[23:26] <addaitech> me too
[23:57] <addaitech> hrm
[23:57] <addaitech> synaptic wants to remove it as well
[23:57] <addaitech> wth
[23:57] <addaitech> i drank to much today or something
[23:57] <addaitech> im forgetting something


[02:59] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I wouldn't have thought that about a kernel module... though I can think of other reasons the zfs might be slower.
[02:59] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Well, when it's not natively part of the kernel, it stands to reason.


[11:21] <LinTux> what is the command to install samba server in terminal
[11:22] <LameBMX> any recommendations for water effects ... seems ungrab wave is like to crash beryl now .. :/
[11:22] <runtime> ademan: then why dont you leave it on?
[11:23] <LinTux> what is the best chat program and server to use to contact linux users
[11:23] <violot> here on IRC
[11:23] <violot> I think
[11:23] <violot> at least
[11:23] <Solarion> irc generally
[11:23] <Solarion> trick is to find a channel that's not as noisy as here
[11:23] <violot> #ubuntuforums for chat
[11:24] <violot> Good for chatting with Linux users, as you said you wanted
[11:24] <violot> It is more informal than here
[11:24] <violot> And less busy
[11:24] <eyalw> what about Dell 2007WFP?
[11:24] <LinTux> what is more popular on Linux, MSN, Jabber etc, what would use recommend for live messenging
[11:24] <WindyCN> well...as promised i came back with more problems
[11:24] <violot> LinTux, IRC is most popular ;P
[11:24] <WindyCN> can anyone tell me how to make a shortcut with alacarte that can run multiple terminal commands?
[11:24] <LinTux> violet, cheers Happy New Year
[11:24] <violot> gnome-terminal -e "foo; foo"
[11:25] <Riyonuk> If Im about to do a clean install of ubuntu, which version would one suggest and why?
[11:25] <WindyCN> thanks violot
[11:25] <violot> No problem
[11:25] <runtime> ademan: so...any way I can try it out right now?
[11:25] <violot> LinTux, you too :)
[11:25] <WindyCN> violot: could I PM you? I need to clarify how that works and i don't want to clutter the channel
[11:25] <violot> Sure.
[11:25] <violot> Go ahead
[11:25] <WindyCN> thanks
[11:25] <Beta> Whats the Ubuntu website about?
[11:25] <HighLife> eyalw: I like that monitor :)
[11:25] <LameBMX> ubuntu
[11:26] <runtime> ademan: btw this is the first time in a while I've used ubuntu and it blows away the speed of windows...I have like fifty things going on and it doesnt lag like windows
[11:26] <LinTux> best command to install samba in terminal
[11:26] <Beta> Whats ubuntu?
[11:26] <fraudster> (@N 4nYB0dY T37L mE, c4n YOU R34d WHA7 1 @M 7Yp1NG? :P
[11:26] <LameBMX> linux distro
[11:26] <MasterShrek> i can fraudster
[11:26] <MasterShrek> ;P
[11:26] <LameBMX> unfortunately fraudster
[11:26] <fraudster> MasterShrek, hehe
[11:26] <fraudster> I just wanted to see, umm... leet seems kinda werid
[11:27] <fraudster> almost funny
[11:27] <WindyCN> ok...no PMs for non registered users
[11:27] <WindyCN> bah
[11:27] <LameBMX> yea it is ...
[11:27] <WindyCN> violot: what does the -e switch do?
[11:27] <fraudster> you can change whole webpages into l33t http://www.sp34k1337.com/
[11:27] <LameBMX> WindyCN, it runs the command
[11:27] <eyalw> but its which is better? Dell 2007WFP or Samsung 225BW ?
[11:27] <violot> WindyCN, it executes a command
[11:27] <WindyCN> oh i see
[11:27] <LinTux> best WYSIWYG program for HTML in Linux?
[11:28] <violot> WindyCN, "foo; foobar" runs foo then foobar
[11:28] <WindyCN> is there a switch to hide the terminal window?
[11:28] <con-man> I just installed wine from source
[11:28] <con-man> bash: /usr/bin/wine: No such file or directory
[11:28] <violot> WindyCN, Then why did you want to run it in the terminal? :P
[11:28] <WindyCN> well
[11:28] <WindyCN> basically
[11:28] <eyalw> samsung's screen is larger, it is 22" > 20.1"
[11:28] <violot> WindyCN, like minimize it?
[11:28] <WindyCN> i need it to run vent through wine
[11:28] <Riyonuk> Can someone explain what distros are? Is it just programs that are bundled with it?
[11:28] <WindyCN> so perhaps there's another way of doing it
[11:28] <Shucknet> anyone here use ubuntu as a mail server?
[11:29] <WindyCN> but then i'm not aware of such finer details
[11:29] <LameBMX> use a run box WindyCN
[11:29] <Shucknet> and if so, what configuration do you recommend?  I'm migrating from a Suse 6.0 sendmail configuration
[11:29] <WindyCN> run box?
[11:29] <runtime> anyone know how I can use XGL with this ubuntu 5 livecd?
[11:29] <LameBMX> or just wait until the program is done doing what its doing
[11:29] <WindyCN> well
[11:29] <WindyCN> because it runs in WINE
[11:29] <WindyCN> if you close the terminal it closes vent
[11:30] <LameBMX> ahhhhh
[11:30] <Aranel> Hey, I'm thinking of buying a MacBook sometime in the future and putting Ubuntu on it. But I'm sort of confused as to the whole EFI thing... Will I still be able to use WINE, the w32 codecs, and other stuff that only runs on x86 machines? And if so, do I have to do anything special to make it work?
[11:30] <LameBMX> Aranel, they arent all pentuim based now
[11:30] <Aranel> How do you mean?
[11:31] <fraudster> how about now?
[11:31] <fraudster> |=0r 60|) $0 |_0\/3|) 7|-|3 \^/0r|_|), 7|-|@7 |-|3 9@\/3 |-|1$ 0|\||_y b390773|\| $0|\|, 7|-|@7 \^/|-|0$03\/3r b3|_13\/37|-| 1|\| |-|1|\/| $|-|0u|_|) |\|07 |>3r1$|-|, bu7 |-|@\/3 3\/3r|_@$71|\|9 |_1|=3.
[11:31] <fraudster> MasterShrek, :P
[11:31] <fraudster> LameBMX, :P
[11:31] <LameBMX> mac is using pentiums now .. i dont know if its all of them or just certian models
[11:31] <fraudster> that is some serious nonsense :)
[11:31] <amoore> they all do now
[11:32] <Aranel> Yeah, I know. I'd be using the i686 version of Ubuntu.
[11:32] <LameBMX> Aranel, i dont know but im more than willing to bet it would work just fine
[11:32] <hendrickvp> hey, I'm having some problems install an image toolkit like imagick, or GD2.
[11:32] <amoore> its a good move for mac
[11:32] <Aranel> Okay, thanks
[11:32] <fraudster> how about it anyone?
[11:32] <Aranel> I just wasn't sure about the fact that it uses an EFI instead of a BIOS
[11:33] <HighLife> WindyCN: Did you get vent working for you, with outbound AND inbound?
[11:33] <WindyCN> yes
[11:33] <hendrickvp> does anyone here know something about these services
[11:33] <WindyCN> a bit fiddly with the sound and i swear it's a bit laggier
[11:33] <WindyCN> but otherwise working fine
[11:33] <Riyonuk> fraudster, wtf, the bottom line is like "IN HIM SHOULD NOT ...hmm
[11:34] <HighLife> haha well I'm gonna try and install it agian
[11:34] <WindyCN> violot: it doesn't allow me to send PMs since i'm not a registered user
[11:34] <phr34ck> hey, I have a hdd that uses NTFS, how can I format it so I can use it in Ubuntu ?
[11:34] <runtime> anyone..
[11:34] <phr34ck> I'm in serious need of that. /
[11:34] <Rprp> Happy new year everybody o/
[11:34] <amoore> gparted
[11:34] <userundefine> phr34ck, use gparted
[11:34] <seanj> happy new year, Rprp
[11:34] <WindyCN> phr34ck: try using partition magic to make a new partition
[11:34] <violot> WindyCN, register :P
[11:34] <Rprp> rt :>
[11:34] <WindyCN> and then setting it up on there
[11:34] <Rprp> ty:.
[11:34] <violot> WindyCN, No email addy even needed :P
[11:34] <WindyCN> hmm
[11:34] <amoore> you will lose the data on it
[11:35] <ademan> sorry runtime, so what version of ubuntu are you running?
[11:35] <phr34ck> userundefine,  I already tried to use gparted but the format is disabled.
[11:35] <phr34ck> I don't know why
[11:35] <WindyCN> ah
[11:35] <WindyCN> that's better
[11:35] <hendrickvp> can some one help me with an imagick install?
[11:35] <rkvirani> hey all whats a good gnome-based program for viewing pictures as a slideshow?
[11:35] <phr34ck> it says that hdd is readonly.
[11:35] <fraudster> Riyonuk, it is a verus from the Bible
[11:35] <fraudster> Riyonuk, the first couple of lines
[11:35] <rkvirani> hendrickvp, what is the problem?
[11:35] <ademan> hendrickvp: yeah what's wrong?
[11:36] <Mahmoud85> phr34ck : delete the partition using gparted first then format
[11:36] <hendrickvp> I have downloaded the tar, but where do I put it in the system to install?
[11:36] <HighLife> phr34ck: try this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009&highlight=ntfs+with
[11:36] <ademan> hendrickvp: it should be in the repositories
[11:36] <rkvirani> hendrickvp, apt has a package
[11:36] <rkvirani> use that
[11:36] <phr34ck> Mahmoud85, how to do so? ALL options are disabled when I try to edit it with gparted.
[11:36] <rkvirani> apt-get install imagemagick I believe
[11:36] <ademan> hendrickvp: sudo apt-get install imagemagick
[11:37] <Mahmoud85> phr34ck : unmount first
[11:37] <ademan> or use synaptic, either one, there's no need for using tarballs 99% of the time in ubuntu
[11:37] <rkvirani> so seriously, good program for viewing images as a slideshow?
[11:37] <hendrickvp> wow, you guys are awesome, why do they in the forums say to go through all these other hoops?
[11:37] <phr34ck> Mahmoud85,  I see, I will try to do so.
[11:37] <rkvirani> kind of like what mac osx preview
[11:37] <ademan> rkvirani: as a slideshow i don't know, like an automated one?  because the eye of gnome lets you hit left and right to view different files
[11:37] <rkvirani> ademan, hrm eye of gnome eh
[11:38] <ademan> rkvirani: it might not be what you want
[11:38] <ademan> but if you double click on any image file and hit left and right on the keyboard it will cycle through all of the image files in a folder
[11:38] <phr34ck> man, what's wrong with SUDO ??? This is the second I get the same error: Timespan something !
[11:38] <rkvirani> its not installed by default
[11:39] <ademan> rkvirani: are you using kubuntu?
[11:39] <eyalw> HighLife: is the response time (ms) is a really importent factor of the decision?
[11:39] <bcl> anyone had any trouble getting dvd-menu to work right? Looks like the composite tool from ImageMagick is broken.
[11:39] <ademan> phr34ck: haven't heard of it, try googling the exact error message
[11:39] <HighLife> eyalw: are you a gamer?
[11:40] <rkvirani> ademan, nope ubuntu 6.10
[11:40] <eyalw> no, buy i am affond of beryl
[11:40] <eyalw> *but
[11:40] <HighLife> then no it wont be
[11:40] <eyalw> HighLife: no, but i am affond of beryl
[11:41] <phr34ck> What does "Round to cylinder" mean in the gparted?
[11:41] <ademan> rkvirani: well double clicking on any image should bring up an image preview ( i thought it was called eye of gnome but maybe not)
[11:41] <HighLife> eyalw: by the way what are the responce times on the monitors your looking at?
[11:41] <ademan> phr34ck: your hard drive at the lowest levels is divideded up into sectors, heads and cylinders
[11:41] <hendrickvp> ademan: so now that I have run sudo apt-get install imagemagick, I have an installed and working image toolkit, correct?
[11:41] <finalbeta> !paste
[11:42] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:42] <ademan> hendrickvp: yep :-), provided no errors, but i wouldn't expect any
[11:42] <phr34ck> ademan, and what's the point in checking that option? does it benefit me in anything ?
[11:42] <hendrickvp> yeah, it's not windows... :D
[11:42] <hendrickvp> tnx
[11:42] <ademan> phr34ck: i think part of it may be performance on some hard drives but i can't be sure
[11:42] <ademan> also, if you're not too fond of the command line go to system->administration->synaptic package manager  it will list ALL of the available packages and you can browse them and install them with one or two clicks
[11:43] <phr34ck> ademan, okay, thanks,
[11:43] <SpacePuppy> phr34ck:  you need to consider the size of a bit and a bite.. round to a multiple of FF is always a spacesaving idea.
[11:43] <ademan> (to hendrickvp)
[11:43] <SpacePuppy> bite.. lol .. byte.
[11:43] <ademan> SpacePuppy: hungry are you?
[11:43] <ademan> :-)
[11:43] <SpacePuppy> thirsty actually..
[11:44] <rkvirani> got it thanx
[11:44] <rkvirani> its called "Image Viewer"
[11:44] <ademan> ah, my bad :-/   but glad you got it, was it what you wanted?
[11:45] <ccidral> are there video codecs available for 64 bit?
[11:46] <SpacePuppy> ccidral: don't the regular ones work?
[11:46] <ademan> ccidral: don't believe so unfortunately
[11:46] <crimsun> yes, but not the w32codecs you may be thinking of
[11:46] <phr34ck> What's the command to mount an already plugged external HDD ?
[11:46] <ccidral> SpacePuppy: you mean the 32 bit ones?
[11:46] <SpacePuppy> lol
[11:47] <bjames> phr34ck - have you tried the man page?
[11:47] <phr34ck> bjames, no I havn't.
[11:48] <ccidral> crimsun: can I get the codecs via apt-get?
[11:48] <phr34ck> what should I write? man mount ?
[11:48] <bjames> yeah
[11:48] <bjames> I think the format is something like:    mount <options> source dest
[11:48] <crimsun> ccidral, which ones? You can get ones for gst and xine, yes
[11:49] <ccidral> right, thanks
[11:49] <bjames> has anyone had experience with SATA drives in Linux?
[11:50] <bjames> I'm thinking of building a fileserver and the only info I can find (quickly) was that Linux doesn't support many SATA chipsets
[11:50] <tannerld> can anyone help me and figure out why glxgears is not working along with any 3d games/
[11:50] <bjames> tannerld: have you got the right drivers for your graphics card?
[11:50] <ccidral> I don't know anything about codecs. I would like to simply watch some movie files like WMV, AVI, etc. through Totem or something like
[11:51] <ccidral> in my ubuntu 64 bit
[11:51] <bjames> ccidral: best thing to do is install VLC media player
[11:52] <ccidral> bjames: thanks, I'm gonna install it right now
[11:52] <bjames> ccidral: I think there are issues with codec support in 64 bit system, but VLC (videolan) has built-in support for loads of codecs - DVD, WMA, XVid, etc
[11:52] <tannerld> bjames: yeah, dad set that up after many hectice hours
[11:52] <phr34ck> Okay, I did something wrong .. now I can't even read from the hdd.
[11:53] <bjames> ccidral: sudo apt-get install vlc vlc-plugin-* mozilla-plugin-vlc
[11:53] <e\ectro_> are there instructions for getting nvidia to work properly?  I installed the latest version  NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-1.0-9746-pkg2.run, but X is giving me an error on the nvidia driver " The NVIDIA kernel module does not appear to be receiving interrupts generated by the NVIDIA graphics device PCI:1:0:0."
[11:53] <ccidral> bjames: oh thanks!
[11:53] <phr34ck> how can I unlock it? There is a lock icon next to my external, when I open gparted
[11:53] <bjames> that'll get you the vlc player and the firefox plugins
[11:54] <bjames> it even does Quicktime embedded stuff on webpages!
[11:54] <ccidral> nice
[11:54] <violot> Ooh! Vlc plugins!? :)
[11:54] <TimTurnip> e\ectro_: this page was helpful for me: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=325061&highlight=640x480
[11:54] <crimsun> edgy's vlc mozilla plugin is broken, known issue.
[11:54] <violot> Oh, nevermind then ;)
[11:54] <bjames> VLC is my favourite cross-platform media player - it plays pretty much EVERY codec under the sun and it's available on most/all platforms and as source
[11:54] <bjames> sweet
[11:55] <checkmate> i like Xine a bit more than VLC
[11:55] <ccidral> :-O that's wonderful
[11:55] <checkmate> and Xine gave me less codec problems overall than the other players
[11:55] <bjames> e\ectro: WRT getting NVidia drivers to work - have you tried the howto on the website?
[11:56] <e\ectro_> bjames: yeah, no luck in ubuntu
[11:56] <tannerld> can anyone help me and figure out why glxgears is not working along with any 3d games on my ati and fglrx?
[11:56] <e\ectro_> opensuse is working fine
[11:56] <e\ectro_> bjames: I have a dual boot
[11:56] <bruenig> novell
[11:56] <e\ectro_> bjames: I know its not the card
[11:56] <bjames> tannerld: try reinstalling the drivers
[11:56] <bjames> tannerld: latest version of course
[11:56] <TimTurnip> e\ectro_: i had a bitch of a time. i went through 45 minutes of google results before i finally found all the pieces
[11:57] <bruenig> the computer gods are probably mad at you for your use of opensuse
[11:57] <tannerld> bjames: i think i've done that 100 times with dad trying to figure it out
[11:57] <joink> hi i got some problems
[11:57] <joink> that i dont understand
[11:57] <bruenig> joink, and those are...
[11:58] <joink> am trying to install anythin and a message apears can i paste it?
[11:58] <TimTurnip> bruenig: have you spent much time with suse?
[11:58] <bjames> tannerld: the ubuntu howto worked for me last time I tried
[11:58] <bruenig> fan*
[11:58] <bruenig> !pate | joink
[11:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pate - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:58] <tannerld> bjames: which would that be?
[11:58] <bruenig> !paste | joink
[11:58] <ubotu> joink: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:58] <Enverex> Is there any way to install Ubuntu from inside another Linux environment?
[12:00] <TimTurnip> i used suse a few years ago, and loved the KDE implementation. i wonder how suse stacks up next to kubuntu.
[12:00] <bruenig> novel - deal with the devil, kubuntu - no deal with the devil, kubuntu wins


[13:52] <gQuigs> hangout link?
[13:53] <ritz_> auto load form the page
[13:54] <ritz_> from
[13:55] <gQuigs> ritz_: we need a different link to join the hangout, unless I'm missing something
[13:55] <ritz_> gQuigs, my bad
[13:55]  * ritz_ check the invite
[13:57] <gQuigs> nope..
[13:57] <rbasak> May I join the hangout please?
[13:57] <rbasak> Need an invite
[13:57] <ritz_> missing
[13:58] <gQuigs> rbasak: ditto... can the track lead start one please?
[13:58]  * rbasak has asked gaughen
[13:58] <rbasak> I'm not sure who the lead is.
[13:59] <rbasak> gaughen is starting it now
[13:59] <gQuigs> thanks rbasak!
[14:01] <rbasak> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYdYoxuDm-DDnqii8SncLHhHIpdOCgL03hnYM2r9XucyUFuOVA?authuser=0&hl=en
[14:03] <gQuigs> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYdYoxuDm-DDnqii8SncLHhHIpdOCgL03hnYM2r9XucyUFuOVA?authuser=0&hl=en
[14:04] <gQuigs> please join hangout > https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYdYoxuDm-DDnqii8SncLHhHIpdOCgL03hnYM2r9XucyUFuOVA?authuser=0&hl=en
[14:04] <ritz_> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-1403-networking
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[14:05] <gaughen> we'll start in 2 minutes
[14:06] <ritz_> am I audible ?
[14:07] <beisner> o/
[14:08] <pmatulis3> says 'starting soon...'
[14:08] <ritz_> pmatulis3, hi
[14:08] <rbasak> Live now
[14:08] <pmatulis3> ritz_: hey
[14:08] <rbasak> Please refresh etc, and let us know if you see the stream?
[14:08] <pmatulis3> yes
[14:08] <rbasak> Thanks!
[14:09] <alexmoldovan> yes
[14:09] <ritz_> alexmoldovan, hi
[14:09] <ritz_> nice article , about juju
[14:09] <caribou_> gaughen: no echo on this side
[14:09] <alexmoldovan> hi ritz_
[14:10] <gaughen> caribou_, thanks. yeah, it was me and it was loud in my ear.. .which is probably pretty clear by the face I made.
[14:12] <ritz_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ifenslave/+bug/1254120
[14:12] <udsbotu> Launchpad bug 1254120 in ifenslave (Ubuntu) "Bonded interfaces don't come down with a ifdown -a" [Undecided,New]
[14:12] <ritz_> the bug in question
[14:13] <ritz_> avoid nm this cycle
[14:13] <ritz_> a bit late
[14:20] <ritz_> http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/
[14:20] <ritz_> implementing consistent name would be helpful
[14:21] <ritz_> we lack this
[14:22] <rbasak> ritz_: how does this fit in with the existing udev rule that locks interface names in?
[14:22] <rbasak> ritz_: there's also the biosdevname stuff
[14:23] <ritz_> locks the name in ? I tend to see eth  interface changes
[14:23] <ritz_> Will retest this bit
[14:23] <caribou_> naming is one thing : having 8 NICs that DO NOT restart on a deterministic scheme upon each reboot is an issue
[14:25] <caribou_> gaughen: I'm not even sure that we have one single coherent description of how /etc/network/interfaces should be formatted to behave correctly
[14:28] <rbasak> ritz_: if you see interface name changes, then probably best start with figuring out why the udev rules don't lock in - that could just be a bug or configuration issue
[14:28] <rbasak> (rather than a blueprint-level design issue)
[14:29] <ritz_> rbasak, yup, will recheck what I did wrong.
[14:32] <ritz_> still under works, networkd
[14:39] <ritz_> so the issue is with puppet trying to manage n/w ?
[14:39] <smoser> what rbasak is saying right now i like.
[14:39] <smoser> i have the same need elsewhere
[14:39] <rbasak> smoser: which bit?
[14:40] <smoser> some tool that figures out what changed in networking and makes it right.
[14:40] <smoser> we need that in cloud-init.
[14:40] <smoser> right now if networking information is intjected into the instance, then cloud-init will have to figure out what was added and what would have to be "fixed".
[14:40] <smoser> and at that point some network interfaces may already be up.
[14:41] <jamespage> rbasak, I think you can do a udevadm trigger todo that
[14:41] <jamespage> maybe
[14:41] <jamespage> (I've certainly seen that done with disks)
[14:43] <smoser> its also terribly annoying that:
[14:43] <smoser>  ifup some-interface
[14:43] <smoser>  change something
[14:43] <smoser>  ifdown that-interface
[14:43] <smoser>   (possibly change == remove that-interface)
[14:43] <smoser> ifdown says "i don tknow anything about that"
[14:53] <ritz_> networkd is for much more limited use cases
[14:53] <ritz_> migrating more towards NM
[14:54] <jamespage> \o/ love that one
[14:56] <pmatulis3> so how do i restart networking?  j/k
[14:56] <rbasak> Thanks all!
[15:02] <gQuigs> stgraber: can I add a Work item to document the current QA items