[02:28] <ariel_> hola
[02:28] <ariel_> alguien alli?
[02:28] <kernal> alli
[02:28] <ariel_> hi
[02:28] <kernal> what language is that?
[02:28] <ariel_> spanish
[02:28] <ariel_> español
[02:28] <ariel_> and you?
[02:29] <ariel_> I from to mexico
[02:29] <ariel_> I am from to mexico
[02:29] <kernal> I think there's a channel especially for spanish
[02:29] <ariel_> where...?
[03:44] <Quenz> I'm trying to set up an outlook email account with Thunderbird. It works fine on my Mac with the exact same settings, but on MATE, I get "Configuration could not be verified - is the username or password wrong?"
[04:33] <Quenz> I have a clue here is the terminal output when using the host command on the mail servers on my Mac https://pastebin.com/Es1mhnc4 and on the MATE computer https://pastebin.com/p3D23qez
[04:34] <Quenz> I get "Host <mail server> not found: 5(REFUSED)" on the MATE computer, but not on my Mac
[06:10] <Quenz> I think I found the solution to my problem. My ISPs default DNS wasn't resolving the mailservers. I'm not exactly sure though, because it was working fine on a different computer
[06:11] <Quenz> Oh, and the reason it did work on my Mac is that I was using a VPN on it, so I guess the VPN uses a different DNS
[06:13] <kernal> nice
[08:08] <rhode> Hi all. Im on 17.10 and are liking this alot. Will there be a clear/clean upgrade path for 17.10->18.04 LTS (after the release) or am I looking into a complete nuke'n'pave reinstall ?
[08:32] <alkisg> Sure, 17.10 to 18.04 is supported by all ubuntu flavors
[08:37] <rhode> alkisg: and the switch back to Xorg will just be done as part of that dist-upgrade ?
[08:37] <alkisg> rhode: what switch back to xorg? mate doesn't use wayland
[08:38] <rhode> Ohhh - i thought that all the ubuntu's had wayland as standard in 17.10
[08:38] <alkisg> Nah, that's just gnome
[08:39] <rhode> okay - then I can be relatively sure that i do not have to nuke'n'pave
[08:39] <rhode> Then im gonna continue setting up everything that i need
[08:39]  * alkisg uses 18.04 directly nowadays, to avoid installing 17.10 and upgrading :)
[09:06] <rhode> alkisg:  you are more brave then me. Its only still in Alpha stages if i remember correctly
[09:09] <alkisg> Yeah I'm trying to help in solving potential issues as well
[09:28] <peanut42> having trouble with the firefox sidebar where white font is on a white background... this happens in the dark MATE theme... you can only change the colors in the firefox windows, basically everywhere except the sidebar, nobody else have this issue?
[09:29] <diogenes_> peanut42, gotta screenshot?
[09:29] <peanut42> one sec
[09:34] <peanut42> https://unsee.cc/6d3e0feb/
[09:37] <peanut42> I don't know any good picture share site... sorry
[09:38] <peanut42> but this has been bugging me since MATE TWEAK was implemented
[09:38] <peanut42> I can't take it anymore
[09:38] <peanut42> I'm dead
[09:39] <diogenes_> peanut42, we can try one thing
[09:39] <diogenes_> no clue whether if will help or not because I haven't used ff in aloooong time
[09:39] <diogenes_> run: cd $HOME/.mozilla/firefox/*.default
[09:41] <peanut42> mkay, I'm in the profile
[09:41] <diogenes_> mkdir chrome
[09:41] <peanut42> k
[09:41] <diogenes_> cd chrome
[09:41] <diogenes_> touch userContent.css
[09:42] <diogenes_> pluma (or whatevertexteditor name) userContent.css
[09:42] <peanut42> and copy pasta a bunch of stuff?
[09:42] <peanut42> into it?!?
[09:43] <diogenes_> copy this:
[09:43] <diogenes_> http://susepaste.org/86232166
[09:43] <diogenes_> it used to work for the previous versions, no sure if it will work now.
[09:45] <peanut42> it doesn't work
[09:46] <peanut42> :(
[09:46] <peanut42> but it was definitely worth a try, thank you!
[09:46] <diogenes_> peanut42, also you could try a different theme for firefox
[09:46] <diogenes_> something like lavafox
[09:46] <peanut42> I have tried that in the past
[09:47] <diogenes_> try it again
[09:47] <peanut42> I have to revisit this
[09:47] <diogenes_> yep, definitely worth a try
[09:57] <peanut42> arg, same problem, everything gets changed except the sidebar content
[09:57] <peanut42> I tried a bunch of different themes :(
[10:00] <peanut42> so to put real names to the issues: I only have this problem when the "BlackMATE" theme is being used
[10:00] <peanut42> MATE themes are okay
[10:00] <peanut42> *other
[10:03] <diogenes_> no clue what is mate theme implementation but you might want to to experiments with it, navigate to /usr/share/themes/BlackMATE folder, find the file responsible but style, colors, content, open it with text editor and try to find the hexcolor that matches the background of that sidebar (if you want to change background) or text color (if you want to change text color)
[10:04] <diogenes_> this way, I used to modify a lot of themes to my liking in the past
[10:04] <diogenes_> it's a very time consuming work btw
[10:04] <peanut42> I can only imagine... it's like trial and error?!?
[10:05] <peanut42> but I will give it a shot either way
[10:05] <diogenes_> peanut42, exactly, thing are a bit easier if they style it with .css
[10:07] <diogenes_> peanut42, also one quick try is to see if you got ~/.gtkrc-2.0 file
[10:07] <diogenes_> if it's there, try to rename it and re-log
[10:07] <peanut42> diogenes_: good tip! Thanks!
[15:17] <Quenz> Thunderbird works fine on my Mac, but not on Ubuntu MATE 16.04 LTS. Same Thunderbird version. Outputs from host command on mail servers: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6qZgTMC9Bq/ https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/drZTthtfwn/
[15:21] <Menzie> Quenz - Are we using Exchange or regular Outlook?
[15:21] <Quenz> Regular outlook. The email address ends in live.com.au if that helps
[15:21] <Quenz> Menzie
[15:23] <Menzie> Interesting.
[15:24] <Menzie> Try changing the IMAP servers to the US ones, imap-mail.outlook.com and smtp-mail.outlook.com
[15:24] <Menzie> *IMAP and SMTP
[15:25] <Menzie> Quenz ^
[15:25] <Quenz> Menzie They are automatically set to those addresses. I think they just resolve to AU ones in the background because I'm in Australia
[15:26] <Menzie> What's the exact error message in Thunderbird?
[15:26] <Quenz> "Configuration could not be verified - is the username or password wrong?"
[15:27] <Quenz> I've triple checked the username and password though
[15:27] <Menzie> SSL over 993, STARTTLS over 587?
[15:28] <Quenz> It's worth noting the issue goes away if I change the DNS settings in my router to Google's public DNS or OpenDNS, but that causes the internet to be quite slow on the MATE computer for some reason.
[15:28] <Quenz> Menzie yes
[15:28] <Menzie> So basically the DNS server that you want to use hates Outlook for some reason
[15:28] <Quenz> I'm guessing because those DNS servers are in the US and I'm in Australia
[15:29] <Quenz> But it works fine in Thunderbird on my Mac
[15:29] <Quenz> So...
[15:29] <Quenz> Like, my Mac is using the same DNS as the MATE computer
[15:29] <Menzie> Perhaps
[15:29] <Quenz> You think my Mac could be using a different DNS?
[15:30] <Menzie> Perhaps... are you using a firewall program such as ufw?
[15:30] <Menzie> Or, maybe the #thunderbird people can help
[15:31] <alkisg> Or maybe systemd-resolved
[15:31] <Quenz> Is ufw enabled by default?
[15:31] <Menzie> Oh yeah, check the resolution daemon
[15:31] <Quenz> What's systemd-resolved?
[15:33] <alkisg> The dns server of recent ubuntu versions
[15:33] <alkisg> Oh wait, did you say 16.04?
[15:33] <alkisg> There, it's still dnsmasq
[15:33] <alkisg> You might want to bypass that, and see if it works without it
[15:34] <Quenz> I just disables the default Firewall program that comes with MATE, that didn't fix it though
[15:34] <Quenz> Hmm
[15:34] <alkisg> You might also want to try ipv4 vs ipv6 resolution
[15:34] <alkisg> All those are unrelated to the desktop environment though, it's core ubuntu functionality
[15:35] <alkisg> So you can ask #ubuntu as well; more people there, so more help..
[15:35] <Quenz> Alright, one step at a time
[15:35] <Quenz> Should I explore dnsmasq first?
[15:35] <alkisg> Whatever is easier for you
[15:35] <Quenz> I don't mind
[15:35] <Quenz> How do I bypass dnsmasq?
[15:35] <alkisg> I just threw some ideas, I don't have time to help with the steps involved :)
[15:35] <alkisg> That's why I'm saying whatever's easier for you :)
[15:36] <Quenz> Alright
[15:37] <alkisg> dnsmasq can be disabled from /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf => dnsmasq line, and reboot...
[15:37] <alkisg> Or you could test with a 17.10 live cd, which uses systemd-resolved instead; if that works.... you know
[15:38] <Quenz> Should I just remove the dns line, or set it to something besides dnsmasq?
[15:38] <alkisg> I think removing is fine
[15:39] <alkisg> A quick googling about that will reveal detailed instructions
[15:39] <alkisg> Of course, make a note, to be able to undo the change later on
[20:26] <brzydal> witam wszystkich


[00:33] <wxl> so i think we have a new iso because of https://bugs.launchpad.net/subiquity/+bug/1848199
[00:35] <wxl> we should have the sudo cve in there, too, incidentially
[00:35] <guiverc> sure makes sense... (sudo cve)
[00:36] <kc2bez> I haven't noticed the network issue to date but every bit of hardware behaves differently.
[00:36] <wxl> er wait that's not it
[00:36] <wxl> they respun server only for that
[00:37] <kc2bez> Ah gotcha
[00:37] <kc2bez> Probably the CVE fix then.
[00:37] <kc2bez> For the rest of us.
[00:38] <wxl> infinity said specifically he was going to throw it in -security unless there were some other issues
[00:38] <wxl> this was mentioned https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zfs-linux/+bug/1847628
[00:39] <wxl> but afaik zfs is all sort of experimental in ubiquity
[00:39] <kc2bez> and non-existent in Cala
[00:40] <wxl> this too https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-firmware-raspi2/+bug/1847782
[00:40] <wxl> (who cares)
[00:41] <wxl> and this was mentioned as well https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shim-signed/+bug/1848142
[00:41] <wxl> in fact a lot of discussion about that
[00:42] <kc2bez> What a crazy version number!
 I've seen worse
[00:42] <kc2bez> I'm sure but it must rank up there pretty high.
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[04:51] <The_LoudSpeaker> 1166 packages are going to be upgraded from disco to eoan. Gg!
[04:51] <The_LoudSpeaker> +99 new ones.
[05:29] <The_LoudSpeaker> wxl: you up?
[07:29] <The_LoudSpeaker> I have some urgent business in city I need to attend. Will not be able to do the tests I did yesterday. guiverc: kc2bez: please do the needful.
[15:21] <The_LoudSpeaker> New globalkeys release. 14.3
[15:23] <The_LoudSpeaker> 0.14.3
 What are the changes?
 Some fixes which fix errors occurred while building from source
 In runner and panel
 We had exactly these problems on ci/unstable
 Haven't checked GitHub for details tho. Bad internet. Just recieved the mail.
 Do we need to include them?
 @aptghetto [We had exactly these problems on ci/unstable], They should be fixed now.
 @tsimonq2 [Do we need to include them?], I don't think so. We are fine. But I suggest immediate update post eoan release.
 @The_LoudSpeaker [I don't think so. We are fine. But I suggest immediate update post eoan release.], Oooh, ready to learn how to do an SRU?
 Yup!
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
 tl;dr file a bug with the template: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#SRU_Bug_Template
 Woah! Wait bro. I am having dinner rn.
 That's basically it :)
 Also, still waiting for CI docs. :)
 For a SRU, you need first a stable release
 @aptghetto [For a SRU, you need first a stable release], Not really
 We can upload it nowish and I can give Adam a heads-up that it's meant for an SRU
 It's a SRU with or without the paperwork?
 @tsimonq2 [We can upload it nowish and I can give Adam a heads-up that it's meant for an SR …], No. I want to do it afterwards.
 @aptghetto [It's a SRU with or without the paperwork?], With the paperwork
 @The_LoudSpeaker [No. I want to do it afterwards.], Your choice, but we can do it now
 @tsimonq2 [Your choice, but we can do it now], Get the grub theme in seed for now ploxxx.
 @The_LoudSpeaker [Get the grub theme in seed for now ploxxx.], ack
 Thanks!
 No worries.
 I think for right now I'll just put it in the seed.
 Once we get testing from fresh installs, we can add it to the metapackage to be included in upgrades.
 That will install it automatically?
 @tsimonq2 [I think for right now I'll just put it in the seed.], This i mean
 ack
 I do want you to go through the entire SRU process as independently as you can; it's a great thing to learn when preparing for that Lubuntu Developer app that you're going to submit soon. ;)
 @tsimonq2 [ack], Noice! So if someone dual boots with eoan, they will see the theme?
 @The_LoudSpeaker [Noice! So if someone dual boots with eoan, they will see the theme?], They should, yeah.
 It depends, which bootloader is used
 @tsimonq2 [I do want you to go through the entire SRU process as independently as you can; …], Noted. But seeing the requirements, I will need some time for the app. Mostly this year's end.
 @aptghetto [It depends, which bootloader is used], For grub. It will be there.
 Not for refind or wbm or clover.
 Not necessarily, if you have an UEFI installation with several Grub
 @The_LoudSpeaker [Noted. But seeing the requirements, I will need some time for the app. Mostly th …], As Dan can attest, it's mostly reading the pages and really doing some studying.
 yes
 The hands-on stuff is good, but you should know which docs to reference.
 @aptghetto [Not necessarily, if you have an UEFI installation with several Grub], Yeah depends on from where the grub is called.
 @tsimonq2 [As Dan can attest, it's mostly reading the pages and really doing some studying.], Noted.
 Based on the fact that we grabbed globalkeys before the release we may not be affected by that issue. Probably still good to get in front of it.
 https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt-globalkeys/commit/f8eef78ad3b80093e54cb0f8307420534c176ffd
[17:44] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker you get your build figured out?
[17:46] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker also are you planning on re-testing the secure boot tests with the new ISO?
[17:48] <kc2bez> I would but I don't have anything that has secure boot available.
 @wxl [<wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker also are you planning on re-testing the secure boot tests …], Unfortunately I can't. Tomorrow is 17, release date, I was in city all day today. Can't test now. Dead tired.
 @wxl [<wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker you get your build figured out?], First thing tomorrow morning after I wake up.
[17:55] <wxl> ok
[17:57] <wxl> anyone else have secure boot hardware????
[18:01] <wxl> HOLY CRAP ubiquity requires 4G of RAM now! https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntukylin/+bug/1848346
[18:03] <wxl> who confirmed this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1848333
[18:05] <kc2bez> wxl: are you asking who tested it or who confirmed it?
[18:05] <kc2bez> and 4G of RAM wow
[18:06] <The_LoudSpeaker> I faced simillar problem when I was in live and connected to WiFi and selected to shutdown/reboot. There was some stop job running behind the plymouth screen. I don't remember what exactly that was.
[18:06] <The_LoudSpeaker> That job times out after 1 min 30 sec.
[18:07] <The_LoudSpeaker> I mentioned that earlier here I guess.
 Oops! Looks like I didn't mention. But yeah it was there. For reboot/shutdown.
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[18:36] <wxl> confirmed
[18:36] <wxl> this seems to be about the initial boot which is different than what raman mentions
[18:36] <kc2bez> It looks like a bot did.
[18:37] <kc2bez> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1848333/comments/4
[18:38] <wxl> probably because someone filed a bug against it on the tracker
[18:39] <wxl> this has me worried about secureboot https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shim-signed/+bug/1848142
[18:41] <kc2bez> understandable
[18:56] <kc2bez> If I read the scrollback correctly in #-release there will be another respin?
[18:57] <wxl> oh? where did you gather that?
[18:58] <RikMills> there will be for new ubiquity. not sure what else. you should ask if lubuntu needs it to happen
[19:55] <wxl> https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2019/10/the-ubuntu-20-04-lts-codename-has-been-revealed
 revealed on launchpad?
[20:00] <wxl> yep
[20:00] <kc2bez> I don't see the source cited other than the LP mention.
[20:01] <wxl> waaaaaaaaaaaait a minute
[20:01] <wxl> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/ff-series
[20:02] <RikMills> yeah, that is usually where the series name turns up 1st. I looked there immediately
[20:05] <wxl> made a comment
[20:07] <wxl> comment declined apparently
[20:08] <RikMills> popey and Martin seem to be suggesting it is right, so perhaps so
[20:10] <wxl> correction, it's pending
[20:10] <wxl> (my comment)
 Fwd from popeydc: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/446888487/distro-info-data_0.40ubuntu2_0.40ubuntu3.diff.gz
 wxl: ^
 It is correct
 Added on my list for tomorrow to start prep
 @wxl [<wxl> https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2019/10/the-ubuntu-20-04-lts-codename-has-been …], Ohhh, that animal I like!
[20:14] <wxl> @Guephren good! time to get started on adapting Lenny :)
 ^^
 @tsimonq2 [https://launchpadlibrarian.net/446888487/distro-info-data_0.40ubuntu2_0.40ubuntu …], I wasn't expecting it to turn up there 1st
 @wxl [<wxl> @Guephren good! time to get started on adapting Lenny :)], So that I may actually not send it day before they announce the next one? x_x
[20:15] <popey> RikMills: hello!
[20:16] <RikMills> popey: sorry to highlight you by accident :P
[20:16] <popey> it's coolio
[20:16] <wxl> popey popey popey popey popey
[20:16] <popey> I am, forever, at your service.
[20:16] <popey> not you
[20:16] <popey> :D
 XD
[20:16] <lynorian> ok that was funny
[20:17]  * wxl cries
[20:17] <wxl> ouch: "fossa means cesspool, ditch, gully, etc. in Portuguese"
[20:55] <wxl> '"Estar na fossa" or "be in the fossa" is a brazilian expression for feeling sad, mourning or depressed, usually related to relationship breaks.'
[20:55] <wxl> ^ that's what we need to use every time something doesn't go our way next cycle
[22:54] <kc2bez> Looks like our isos are re-building
[22:54] <wxl> eveveryone is
[22:54] <kc2bez> I think everyone else is done
[22:55] <kc2bez> We may be last
[22:55] <wxl> zfs and nvidia are the big things
[22:55] <wxl> though there are some other things they let in the archives, so we should run through everything again..........
[22:55] <kc2bez> Which we don't really do either nvidia or zfs
[22:56] <wxl> well we don't NOT do nvidia
[22:56] <kc2bez> We just don't do it on the iso
[22:56] <wxl> not in the same way, right
[22:57] <kc2bez> I will run through what I can when it gets done.
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[23:18] <kc2bez> wxl: It doesn't look like we are building.
[23:18]  * kc2bez worries a little
[23:18] <wxl[m]> I got a failure notification
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[23:23] <kc2bez> @tsimonq2 wxl grub theme
[23:29] <kc2bez> wxl[m]: ^
[23:29] <wxl> i highlight for any variation of my name so i got it. there's talk of it on -release
[23:30] <wxl> i'm trying to reach out to simon
[23:30] <kc2bez> Ok I wasn't sure
[23:47] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rSEED19d68e86d6c0: Revert "Add the GRUB theme."] Adam Conrad<EMAIL_ADDRESS>committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rSEED19d68e86d6c0
[23:48] <wxl> ^ @tsimonq2 addition of grub theme reverted since it breaks in the chroot when building the iso (can't `update-grub` when there's no grub to update). if you want to get that in, you've got about 11.5 hours according to adam to fix it and beg him to accept it :)