[00:48] <valorie> sorry, I was up at the cabin for 24+ hours
[00:48] <valorie> I did finally upgrade my travel laptop to hirsute to take it along
[00:48] <valorie> then never used it
[00:48] <valorie> it was too nice to work!
[00:49] <valorie> sunny and warm and still a couple of patches of snow which slid off the roof in a pile
[05:39] <rahulch> Hi all, good morning. I have just upgraded from Kubuntu 20.10 to 21.04, but the upgrade seems to have been unsuccessful. After do-release-upgrade I restarted the system, and kinfocenter shows the ubuntu version as 21.04, but during an apt upgrade I keep getting these broken dependency issues - https://pastebin.com/6e7hBLeY . Is there a way to fix them? Thanks
[11:59] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[18:32] <santa_> good afternoon everyone
[18:32] <santa_> RikMills: where is the git repo of sddm and kdsoap?
[18:33] <RikMills> santa_: sddm is here as it is shared between us, lubuntu and studio https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-qt-code/+git
[18:34] <RikMills> also https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kdsoap
[19:38] <santa_> thanks for the info
[19:38] <santa_> ok, so a couple of things from my front:
[19:39] <santa_> - I think I have a reasonable workaround for the KA problem with plasma-wayland-protocols
[19:40] <santa_> - kjs and kjsembed 5.80 from hirsute are FTBFS'ing in hirsute in my server
[19:40] <santa_> RikMills: ↑
[19:40] <RikMills> what are they failing with?
[19:40] <santa_> the FTBFSes: http://tritemio-groomlake.duckdns.org/build-status/buildstatus_ubuntu-exp2/ubuntu-exp2_status_frameworks.html
[19:41] <santa_> a few symbols needing to be marked as optional
[19:41] <santa_> I haven't tested in a PPA yet
[19:41] <RikMills> might be a result of LTO
[19:42] <santa_> what is LTO?
[19:42] <RikMills> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ToolChain/LTO
[19:43] <RikMills> had to fix symbols of a few other things due to that
[19:44] <santa_> maybe, in any case I bet they are just optional symbols that need to be marked as that
[19:45] <RikMills> that is what I did for the ones I had. marked them optional=lto
[19:46] <santa_> btw these 2 are the only ones that failed from all frameworks/plasma/applications from _hirsute_archive branches
[19:46] <santa_> so ... I'm not sure if we would be able to fix these 2 in the current turboultramegafreeze we must be at this moment
[19:47] <RikMills> hmmm. those 2 are on the LTO disabled list, so must be some other reason
[20:09] <santa_> about the other thing: it seems my workaround for plasma-wayland-protocols is working so I could complete the build of frameworks 5.81 and ...
[20:10] <santa_> RikMills: I noticed you have a spelling mistake in the kwayland changelog XD http://tritemio-groomlake.duckdns.org/build-status/buildstatus_ubuntu-exp3/ubuntu-exp3_status_frameworks.html
[20:11] <santa_> if I can complete a test rebuild of plasma+apps against those fw 5.81 I think I will push the workaround to git master
[20:13] <RikMills> spelling mistake fixed, thanks
[20:14] <santa_> haha, thanks to you :)
[20:15] <RikMills> apps 21.04 are nearly done in staging also
[20:15] <RikMills> but I am getting bored fixing the abimanager patches
[20:41] <santa_> kwayland clear, building plasma on top of fw 5.81 now
[21:05] <santa_> RikMills: are we missing the git repos of kopeninghours, kosmindoormap, kpublictransport for apps?
[21:06] <santa_> I guess they are new and we don't have them yet?
[21:06] <RikMills> correct
[21:07] <santa_> ok, I presume in less than 1 hour this plasma rebuild I'm doing will be finished, if you are so kind, please give me a ping when you are done with apps :)
[21:08] <RikMills> santa_: I'll try to finish them sometime tomorrow, if something else doesn't crop up
[21:08] <santa_> ok, no prob, thanks for the hard work


[00:07] <vinc456> i'm trying to publish a directory that is located in /var/www/471Project. The web and sftp servers are running fine AFAIK. What is wrong with the command "bzr push --create-prefix sftp://localhost/var/www/471Project:9922"
[00:08] <jearl> I think that you need sftp://localhost:9922/var/www/471Project/
[00:09] <vinc456> that works great, thanks!
[00:10] <vinc456> i spent an hour trying to figure out what was wrong by myself, i should have asked earlier ><
[00:12] <rolly> I've put the :port in the wrong place a million times :|
[00:14] <CardinalFang> It is kinda wonky.
[00:15] <CardinalFang> Oh, wait, it's exactly right.  Always after the hostname.
[00:15]  * CardinalFang misunderstood.
[00:20] <vinc456> i guess it makes a lot of sense now that i look at it
[00:22] <Peng> Bazaar uses URIs as HTTP does, so yeah, the port goes after the hostname.
[01:34] <vinc456> i've been using my server for mostly personal use but now need
[01:34] <vinc456>       to set up a repository for classmates. i'm pushing my branch through
[01:34] <vinc456>       sftp but my sshd server only accepts public key authentication. should i
[01:34] <vinc456>       ask each group member to generate their own keys and i'll add them to
[01:34] <vinc456>       the accept list or is there a better way?
[01:34] <vinc456> sorry, about that
[01:35] <vinc456> i was thinking of generating a single key for the team. can i give repository access without shell account access or are ssh keys always associated with a user on the system?
[01:44] <Peng> vinc456: You can prevent a shell user from doing anything other than bzr.
[01:45] <Peng> vinc456: The contrib/bzr_access script might help.
[01:45] <vinc456> i'll look into it, thanks
[01:46] <keir> i just got bit by line endings... nothing like a merge conflict over the whole file! anyone working on this?
[01:49] <keir> ahah! trick is to normalize line endings of .OTHER, .THIS, and .BASE, then use meld.
[06:10] <johnny> !meta bzr
[06:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about meta bzr - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:10] <johnny> !meta dev-util/bzr
[07:02] <johnny> so, this PQM thing can only identify the committer by putting it in the description?
[07:03] <johnny> or is that just a launchpad thing?
[07:07] <johnny> aha.. ok
[07:13] <johnny> hmm..
[07:13] <johnny> i'm suprised not to see monotone mentioned at all here http://bazaar-vcs.org/BzrGpgSigning
[07:14] <johnny> they don't use gpg , but what they are doing is similiar
[07:15] <johnny> i also miss their certs :)
[07:57] <johnny> sup with rich-root-pack in bzr 1.1? i'm not sure with format i should use
[07:59] <mtaylor> johnny: you should use rich root pack
[08:00] <mtaylor> johnny: what is it about monotone that you miss... and why would you expect to see anything about it on the bazaar page on GPG signing? (just curious)
[08:01] <johnny> is there support to add arbitrary fields to revisions?
[08:01] <johnny> i didn't notice it
[08:01] <mtaylor> fields?
[08:01] <johnny> like committer
[08:01] <johnny> date
[08:01] <mtaylor> not as far as I know
[08:01] <johnny> in monotone, you can
[08:01] <johnny> they are called certs
[08:02] <johnny> i've been using it for a few years for a project i work with some other folks on
[08:02] <johnny> that's not the same as i'm trying to use bzr for
[08:02] <mtaylor> what extra fields do you normally use?
[08:02] <johnny> which is for this bookstore coffeehouse collective
[08:03] <johnny> well you have that fixes thing
[08:03] <johnny> we use X-Bug or similiar
[08:03] <mtaylor> yeah - I do that with a post-commit hook
[08:04] <johnny> you can integrate test results in them as well
[08:05] <mtaylor> mm. that's interesting
[08:05] <johnny> even branch is a cert to them
[08:05] <johnny> so branch membership of a revision is solely determined by it
[08:06] <johnny> and this metadata is signed via keys
[08:06] <mtaylor> so does monotone have a monolithic central repos then ?
[08:06] <johnny> no
[08:06] <johnny> it's dvcs
[08:06] <johnny> git took many concepts from it
[08:06] <johnny> it uses sqlite as a backing store instead of the fs
[08:06] <mtaylor> interesting choice
[08:06] <johnny> system accounts are not used
[08:07] <johnny> access is given to the db by the keys
[08:07] <johnny> that have been accepted
[08:07] <mtaylor> so if I make a local branch of code, do those keys come along so that you could interact with my branch?
[08:07] <johnny> if a rev is signed by somebody you do not trust, but is in the rev, it is pulled in, but unused
[08:07] <johnny> if you added me to the acls
[08:08] <mtaylor> weird
[08:08] <mtaylor> (not bad)
[08:08] <mtaylor> just different. :)
[08:08] <johnny> it really is amazing, everything is signed that is stored
[08:08] <johnny> period
[08:09] <johnny> it is scriptable via the lua programming language
[08:09] <mtaylor> :) we have a guy at work that puts lua in everything
[08:09] <mtaylor> I haven't quite drunk that cool-aid yet
[08:10] <mtaylor> but he really likes it alot
[08:10] <johnny> merging is completely different than the way bzr does it
[08:10] <johnny> which seems more like cvs/svn
[08:10] <johnny> with the conflict markers
[08:10] <johnny> mtn doesn't do it that way yet
[08:10] <mtaylor> what does it do?
[08:10] <johnny> you can have multiple heads of a branch existing at one time
[08:11] <johnny> so a pull doesn't have to be updated to
[08:11] <johnny> if there is a conflict, you can ignore it
[08:11] <mtaylor> um.
[08:11] <mtaylor> it still has to do something with the file, no?
[08:11] <johnny> if you choose to merge, you get an external differ
[08:11] <johnny> and you do what you gotta do, and accept hte merge or don't
[08:11] <johnny> we always merge our heads
[08:12] <johnny> but it isn't required
[08:12] <mtaylor> bk is like that
[08:12] <johnny> we also use identifers for branches like so
[08:12] <johnny> org.xaraya.core.stable
[08:12] <johnny> thus they are unique
[08:13] <johnny> like the java stuff.. altho we dont use java
[08:13] <johnny> selectors are accepted everywhere, which are like the options in other systems
[08:13] <johnny> but it's more of a generic query mechanism
[08:14] <johnny> and there is even a db execute command, so you can query the db directly via sql
[08:14] <johnny> so if the interface doesn't do what you want, you could get the info anwyays
[08:15] <mtaylor> so what brings you to look at bzr ?
[08:16] <johnny> i think bzr will be a bit friendlier to the folks who are working on this project
[08:16] <johnny> and it is faster
[08:16] <johnny> and having the support of an org like canonical behind it is very good
[08:16] <mtaylor> yeah - definitely use rich-root-packs then
[08:16] <johnny> that project i use monotone on.. is for real developers
[08:17]  * mtaylor pretends to be insulted by that :)
[08:17] <johnny> this one, is for folks who aren't really programmers by trade or at least not used to work together
[08:17] <johnny> sorry.. bad choice if words
[08:17] <johnny> i meant like hardc0re
[08:17]  * mtaylor pretends to be insulted by that :)
[08:17] <mwh> what's the mtn community like?
[08:17] <johnny> friendly
[08:17] <johnny> really smart
[08:17] <johnny> but small
[08:17] <johnny> git stole their thunder
[08:17] <mwh> i have this image that it's fairly propellor-head-ish
[08:17] <johnny> yes
[08:17] <johnny> it is
[08:17] <johnny> very smart guys
[08:18] <johnny> but i think it is worth it for the bzr community to pick up good ideas from them
[08:18] <johnny> monotone is written in C++ .. which is unhackable and will continue to be unhackable by most people i work with
[08:19] <johnny> which means we can't really modify it
[08:19] <mwh> sure, all good ideas are up for being stolen imho :)
[08:19] <johnny> of course.. those are the guys i trust writing a C++ app . but still.. :(
[08:19] <johnny> the project i want to use bzr with as i mentioned.. are mostly folks who've never used a revision control system before
[08:20] <mwh> would the way mtn works be amenable to writing a python client?
[08:20] <mwh> (just curious)
[08:20] <johnny> perhaps
[08:20] <johnny> they are still working out their internal interaces
[08:20] <johnny> interfaces*
[08:20] <johnny> they call it automate
[08:21] <mtaylor> could always wrap the c++ lib for use from python at the least
[08:21] <johnny> but it is usable with boost, so maybe you can wrap a python library around it more directly
[08:21] <mtaylor> I'm not a huge boost fan, actually
[08:21] <johnny> neither are they :)
[08:21] <johnny> they are migrating out many parts
[08:21] <johnny> since awhile
[08:21] <mtaylor> it's neat ... I'm impressed anyone extended stl to do what boost.python does
[08:22] <mtaylor> but it's completely impossible to debug
[08:22] <johnny> monotone will never have the kinda buildup like bzr has
[08:22] <johnny> with launchpad and all that
[08:22] <i386> monotine == segfaultville
[08:22] <johnny> there's one project i wanted to do with monotone that i just plain don't have time for
[08:23] <johnny> i386, really? i've never had one
[08:23] <i386> openembedded ?
[08:23] <johnny> after 3 years
[08:23] <i386> really?
[08:23] <johnny> we have more revs even than openembedded
[08:23] <i386> We must be talking about completely a different monotone vcs
[08:23] <johnny> altho not for long i'm sure
[08:23] <i386> :P
[08:23] <johnny> 30K
[08:23] <johnny> and at least 50 branches
[08:24] <johnny> hmm.. i'm not counting the language ones, since there isn't anything complicated goin on.. it's always push and pull
[08:24] <johnny> no merging or anything
[08:25] <i386> have they fixed it being slow yet?
[08:25] <johnny> slow doing what? transfer? not quite :(
[08:25] <johnny> so we still distribute the db
[08:25] <i386> yeah
[08:25] <johnny> sad that it has to be that way :(
[08:26] <i386> what is with that?
[08:26] <i386> Having a database I need to download is dumb
[08:26] <johnny> they need some protocol design help perhaps :)
[08:26] <johnny> i was toying with this idea of wrapping it up in an xmpp server
[08:26] <johnny> i just don't have time
[08:26] <i386> No. Dont!
[08:26] <i386> I love XMPP and I do love VCS
[08:26] <i386> but they don't belong together
[08:27] <johnny> i don't think it'll be any slower :)
[08:27] <i386> (that goes for email and vcs)
[08:27] <johnny> hmm.. how so?
[08:27] <johnny> email is a totally different thing
[08:27] <johnny> i'm sure it's better than their hacked up netsync protocol
[08:28] <i386> doesn't hg use email ?
[08:28] <i386> anyway
[08:28] <johnny> monotone used to use email.. with this depot thing
[08:28] <i386> downloading a huge 100mb database
[08:28] <johnny> before .14
[08:28] <i386> then installing that database
[08:29] <i386> is stupid
[08:29] <i386> especially when I just want to checkout some code to have a look at it
[08:29] <i386> by the time im thinking about downloading that database
[08:29] <i386> Ive lost interest
[08:29] <johnny> yeah.. they are working on partial pull
[08:30] <johnny> last i recall
[08:30] <johnny> haven't been paying much attention
[08:30] <johnny> been busy running the coffeeshop and helping those folks
[08:30] <johnny> and thus bzr
[08:30] <i386> yes
[08:30] <johnny> for now at least
[08:30] <johnny> transfer is always possible
[08:31] <johnny> once using one of these systems
[08:32] <johnny> that doesn't make me stop missing the way monotone works aside from that tho
[08:33] <i386> Im glad im not having to maintain it :)
[08:33] <i386> This build engineer has enough problems on his plate :)
[08:41] <Peng> johnny: Bazaar does support revision properties, but you have to add them through code, not through a command like in svn. No file properties yet.
[08:41] <Peng> johnny: Mercurial supports having multiple heads too. It was created at the same time as Git, and I think it was also partially inspired by Monotone.
[08:41]  * Peng is caught up on backlog now.
[08:41] <Peng> i386: Hg doesn't use email any differently than bzr.
[08:46] <mwh> johnny: what _do_ you miss about monotone?
[08:47] <johnny> all of that stuff i mentioned.. except the slow download time i386 mentions :)
[08:48] <bob2> is netsync any faster than bzr?
[08:49] <Peng> It can't be.
[08:50] <Peng> Some projects (Pidgin) put tarballs up with the history, because it's too slow and resource-consuming to download it through mtn.
[08:50] <Peng> Bzr isn't a speed demon at networking (yet), but it's not that bad.
[08:50] <bob2> wow
[08:51]  * Peng feels like a troll for saying that. :
[08:51] <Peng> \
[08:52] <johnny> yeah.. definitely not any faster
[08:53] <johnny> if monotone would have been faster, we might not have git
[08:58] <Peng> Even if it was faster, would anything have been fast enough for the kernel?
[08:58] <Peng> Well, BK, I guess..
[08:59] <johnny> yeah.. bk was very fast :)
[08:59] <johnny> we used that before switching to monotone
[08:59]  * johnny looks for init scripts for bzr
[09:00] <Peng> Init scripts?
[09:00] <johnny> something to start bzr serve on boot
[09:00] <Peng> Oh.
[09:00] <Peng> Usually people run it from xinetd.
[09:01] <Peng> Or, well, *usually* they use dumb http and sftp, or bzr+ssh (which requires no configuration except having bzr in ssh's PATH).
[09:01] <johnny> hmm.. i dont run anything else from there
[09:01] <johnny> i like the smart server idea
[09:02] <Peng> Well yeah.
[09:02] <Peng> It's faster. :)
[09:02] <johnny> but as none of my other programs use xinetd
[09:03] <bob2> wonder if anyone has benchmarked git vs bk
[09:03] <bob2> or is allowed to anymore
[09:03] <johnny> git is fast enough
[09:04] <Peng> bob2: Last I heard, you're not allowed to develop another VCS if you use bk. But a nondev could probably benchmark them.
[09:33] <aadis>  Peng: i suppose the license also disallows publishing benchmarks
[09:42] <Peng> aadis: If so, bleh.
[14:18] <easytiger> is there way to publish a bzr repo like with cvsweb etc?
[14:24] <dejv_ntb> hello
[14:25] <dejv_ntb> I'm trying to set up bazaar branch on ntfs-3g filesystem and I always get this message:
[14:25] <dejv_ntb> $ bzr init
[14:25] <dejv_ntb> bzr: ERROR: Transport error: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted: '/mnt/data/skola/.bzr' [Errno 1] Operation not permitted: '/mnt/data/skola/.bzr'
[14:26] <dejv_ntb> and if I try to repeat it, I'm getting this:
[14:26] <dejv_ntb> $ bzr init
[14:26] <dejv_ntb> bzr: ERROR: File exists: u'/mnt/data/skola/.bzr': [Errno 17] File exists: '/mnt/data/skola/.bzr'
[14:27] <bob2> easytiger: loggerhead does some of what cvsweb does
[14:27] <dejv_ntb> What can I do to start versioning that directory?
[14:55] <easytiger> bob2: cheers
[14:56] <easytiger> where can i find it though
[14:59] <easytiger> http://www.lag.net/loggerhead/
[16:44] <radish> Hi folks.  Anyone have any idea why trying to access a repository hosted on IIS would return the error "Not a branch"?
[16:59] <radish> Can anyone help?
[17:11] <ubotu> New bug: #178131 in trac-bzr "trac-bzr (all branches) broken with trac-0.11b1 and bzr 1.0" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178131
[17:30] <ubotu> New bug: #190725 in bzr "Bzr can't init branch on ntfs-3g filesystem" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190725
[19:47] <jelmer> abentley: Have you looked at DrProject (www.drproject.org)? It's a fork of trac
[19:48] <jelmer> abentley: never mind, looks like they are mainly focused on educational use
[19:50] <johnny> so, how is auth done for the smart server?
[19:50] <mwhudson> however ssh does it, generally
[19:51] <johnny> hmm.. back to creating system accounts ;(
[19:51] <johnny> it'd be nice to use the keys as auth directly
[19:52] <johnny> so i can say, i trust revisiosn from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:53] <mwhudson> if signed, presumably?
[19:54] <mwhudson> you don't _have_ to use openssh of course, launchpad has bzr+ssh access and certainly doesn't create a system account for each launchpad user :)
[19:54] <mwhudson> but that's pretty heavyweight
[19:57] <johnny> how does that work ?
[19:57] <johnny> hmm..then again.i guess i trust all my users so far
[19:57] <dejv_ntb> does bzr's design to recover from this error:
[19:57] <dejv_ntb> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/190725
[19:57] <dejv_ntb> ?
[19:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 190725 in bzr "Bzr can't init branch on ntfs-3g filesystem" [Undecided,New]
[19:58] <johnny> thanks mwhudson makes me feel better for the future if nothing else
[20:00] <mwhudson> johnny: it uses twisted.conch to implement a custom ssh server
[20:00] <johnny> aha...
[20:00] <johnny> twisted is neat
[20:05] <johnny> hmm.. it seems to be that bzr has too many options for init
[21:25] <mtaylor> not updating child fraction
[21:26] <mtaylor> what's that mean? ^^
[21:26] <jelmer> mtaylor: internal bug
[21:26] <mtaylor> :)
[21:26] <mtaylor> yay
[21:26] <mtaylor> jelmer: is there something I should gather or report?
[21:26] <mtaylor> it _seems_ to be working
[21:27] <jelmer> mtaylor: It's in the progress bar
[21:27] <mtaylor> ah
[22:06] <lifeless> its not even a bug
[22:06] <lifeless> is it?
[22:06] <lifeless> johnny: you don't need any options to use init, unless you want to do something out of the ordinary
[22:08] <jelmer> lifeless, oh? I thought it was a sign of bad API use
[22:08] <lifeless> I thought it was simply when the resolution was too small
[22:17] <igc> morning all
[22:25] <lifeless> hi
[22:27] <appcine> What should one install to use the bzr "smart" server? :)
[22:27] <appcine> I'm running an Ubuntu server (HTTP, svn, sftp, ssh today)
[22:28] <mwhudson> appcine: an ssh server and bazaar
[22:28] <appcine> mwhudson: Check.
[22:28] <appcine> :)
[22:28] <appcine> So .. now I can setup a central repositry with just those two components?
[22:30] <mwhudson> yes
[22:32] <appcine> Nice.
[22:32] <appcine> I'm getting the following: Generic bzr smart protocol error: Permission denied
[22:33] <appcine> When running bzr push --create-prefix bzr+ssh://user@server/~user/projects/myproject
[22:33] <lifeless> appcine: we don't support ~user yet in bzr+ssh
[22:33] <appcine> And googling on bzr errors just produce the source code :P
[22:34] <lifeless> appcine: try bzr+ssh://..../home/user/
[22:34] <lifeless> .../etc
[22:34] <appcine> Ah, ok
[22:34] <appcine> Was looking in the "Bazaar in five minutes" guide, though I could use the Launchpad example :D
[22:35] <lifeless> it has to be resolved on the server (obviously); patches gratefully considered :)
[22:36] <appcine> Ah, so I did this just to discover that my webhost doesn't have bazaar installed .. :P
[22:37] <lifeless> look for BZR_REMOTE_PATH
[22:38] <appcine> Ok, thank you :)
[22:39] <mwhudson> can you set bzr_remote_path by location in your config?
[22:39] <mwhudson> i guess i could figure this one out myself, but i'm lazy :)
[22:40] <lifeless> mwhudson: dunno $grep $code
[22:40] <appcine> I'm also getting this btw: bzr: warning: unknown encoding . Continuing with ascii encoding.
[22:41] <lifeless> that means on the far end you don't have your locale present
[22:41] <lifeless> you probably want to explicitly set LANG=C in your shell rc file
[22:41] <lifeless> (on the far end)
[22:41] <appcine> It's set to UTF-8 atm
[22:42] <appcine> Shouldn't bzr recognize that?
[22:42] <lifeless> the unix locales are not present
[22:42] <lifeless> nothing to do with bzr
[22:42] <mwhudson> it can't if the locale files are not present on the other end
[22:42] <appcine> What's the other end? :)
[22:42] <mwhudson> on the server
[22:42] <lifeless> e.g. you might have EN_AU_UTF8
[22:42] <lifeless> or however thats spelt
[22:42] <appcine> mwhudson: This is just local stuff
[22:42] <lifeless> and that requires specific country data even though it is utf8
[22:42] <mwhudson> oh
[22:42] <appcine> mwhudson: Like "bzr init" gives me the message
[22:43] <lifeless> appcine: oh, well your machine is misconfigured then in this same way :)
[22:43] <appcine> lifeless: Mac OS X, default install
[22:43] <appcine> Blame apple!
[22:44] <lifeless> hmm, I have no idea at this point :)
[22:44] <appcine> hehe
[22:44] <appcine> I'm nto too hot on the idea of changing things around since everything else works fine
[22:44] <appcine> but, what impact would it have for me that it doesn't recognize my locale?
[22:44] <lifeless> its probably something quite simple
[22:45] <lifeless> because I know it works for other bzr users without that error
[22:45] <lifeless> the impact is that non-ascii paths will give you more trouble/be unsupported for you
[22:46] <appcine> No non-ascii paths here
[22:46] <poolie> hi
[22:46] <lifeless> then it will be annoying but ok
[22:47] <lifeless> I do recommend you try to track it down
[22:47] <lifeless> there may be some diagnostics in ~/.bzr.log
[22:49] <appcine> lifeless: Nice log. Only encoding related I find is: "encoding stdout as bzrlib.user_encoding 'ascii'"
[22:49] <lifeless> right, its fallen back. I'll file a bug to add diagnostics there
[22:49] <appcine> Sweet
[22:49] <lifeless> My guess would be at a misspelt locale environment setting
[22:49] <appcine> Great tool btw. Just started using it right now, but it's very convenient.
[22:50] <appcine> While working without bzr on my server I'm trying pushing stuff to it .. like bzr push sftp://user@host/path
[22:50] <appcine> Can I just keep doing that for every commit until they install bzr?
[22:50] <lifeless> yup
[22:50] <appcine> Or is it like .. really, relly stupid ? :)
[22:50] <lifeless> sftp should perform quite well
[22:50] <appcine> Hmm
[22:51] <appcine> I'm getting an empty dir with a .bzr subdir
[22:51] <appcine> no other files followed
[22:51] <lifeless> thats correct
[22:51] <lifeless> we're pushing across updates to a database
[22:51] <lifeless> think of them as journal entries
[22:52] <appcine> And the journal entries would be .. like patches?
[22:52] <lifeless> if you had an something the size of an iso that you were changing, you wouldn't really want a 720MB upload when you changed a byte or two
[22:52] <appcine> That I can invoke use to create the source code somehow?
[22:52] <lifeless> you can get a working tree on the server by 'bzr checkout .' in the branch
[22:53] <lifeless> the push-and-update plugin will push and then ssh in and run bzr update in that location for you
[22:53] <appcine> bzr checkout . on the client computer?
[22:54] <lifeless> on the server
[22:54] <appcine> That's my problem -- I don't have bzr installed on the server :)
[22:54] <lifeless> if you want the files present on the server
[22:54] <lifeless> right
[22:54] <lifeless> but why do you want them there, is it your website ?
[22:54] <appcine> Yes
[22:55] <lifeless> so, think of the website as another client
[22:55] <appcine> I am, sort of :)
[22:55] <lifeless> its a client that wants a mirror rather than to edit, but its still a client of the system, and so it needs bzr
[22:55] <lifeless> until then I'd just rsync your website up
[22:55] <appcine> Yes, and I'll get it .. but unil then :)
[23:00] <appcine> Using export for today then :)
[23:00] <ubotu> New bug: #190801 in bzr "locale-setting error should log details to .bzr.log" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190801
[23:47] <cr3> how come there's no dapper .deb under the ppa: http://ppa.launchpad.net/bzr/ubuntu/pool/main/b/bzr/
[23:48] <mtaylor> cr3: because... um.
[23:48] <mtaylor> cr3: hell, I dunno
[23:59] <spiv> poolie: There's a trivial patch on https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/129786 that looks like something that would be good to have in 1.2
[23:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129786 in bzr ""bzr push" fails with vsftpd" [Medium,Triaged]


[13:46] <mrpandey> I installed Xubuntu 18.04 just yesterday (22 May). I removed the default media player Parole and installed MPV and Quod Libet. None of them is showing up in drop down of Xfce4 Pulseaudio Plugin. Parole did show up there (before I removed it). After removing it and installing the other two, the list of Known Media Players in properties of Pulseautio plugin is empty. Can anyone help me out here?
[16:39] <flocculant> !team | qa landing page at x.org is now updated
[16:50] <flocculant> and published https://xubuntu.org/news/new-wiki-pages-for-testers/
[17:55] <flocculant> pleia2 knome - can we have some twittering g+ love for the new stuff - done fb
[18:07] <pleia2> sure
[18:13] <flocculant> pleia2: thanks :)
[18:23] <pleia2> all done :)
[18:31] <flocculant> pleia2: you're awesome sauce
[18:34] <pleia2> <3
[18:58] <knome> thanks pleia2
[19:04] <flocculant> I assume pleia2 did g+ - can;t see a tweet
[19:05] <willem> I saw a tweet
[19:07] <flocculant> ok - perhaps because no account
[19:09] <willem> https://twitter.com/Xubuntu/status/999353212963438592
[19:11] <flocculant> ta
[19:17] <krytarik> Curious, I also don't see it on the board either way yet. :3
[19:22] <krytarik> And in this context noticed, on the website the Google+ link should be 'https://plus.google.com/+xubuntu' (otherwise one gets redirected to there anyway), and the Facebook one should have 'https:' on it (same)
[19:28] <krytarik> ..Oh there, down the line...
[20:17] <Unit193> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2018-May/004489.html  oh hey, we should stop using bzr.
[20:24] <flocculant> I never see Xubuntu posts showing up Planet Ubuntu via the feedreader I use - but I see all the other flavour stuff
[20:37] <Unit193> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~planet-ubuntu/config/main/view/head:/config.ini#L73 hmm.
[20:39] <flocculant> yea - I knew that was right at some point
[21:26] <tracker8> Does anyone figured out how to "Screen Tearing Free" on XFWM 4.13? I'm on Ubuntu 18.04 with XFWM 4.13 from QA Experimental PPA and it still doesn't work =(
[21:28] <tracker8> I'm getting these errors:
[21:28] <tracker8> (xfwm4:2750): xfwm4-WARNING **: 18:27:30.953: GL not available (xfwm4:2750): xfwm4-WARNING **: 18:27:31.011: Dismissing XPresent as unusable, error 3 for request 148
[21:28] <Unit193> Thus, not using xpresent.
[21:28] <tracker8> I'm starting to think the problem is with Ubuntu's xpresent package
[21:29] <tracker8> Unit193: are you using this version too "xfwm4 version 4.13.0git.7d9e6ced (revision 7d9e6ced)"?
[21:32] <Unit193> Yeah.
[21:34] <tracker8> Unit193: does it work for you?
[21:35] <Unit193> (xfwm4:1417): xfwm4-WARNING **: 20:13:27.447: GL not available
[21:35] <Unit193> (xfwm4:1417): xfwm4-WARNING **: 20:13:31.002: Dismissing XPresent as unusable, error 3 for request 148
[21:35] <Unit193> But xfwm works, so I don't complain.  Netbook it has a couple more quirks, but still "works".  Been thinking about downgrading back to the version from the repo there.
[21:36] <Unit193> tracker8: My card is a bit old at this point, though.
[21:37] <tracker8> Unit193: so you have the same problem as here. You don't have screen tearing probably because you have a good screen.
[21:37] <tracker8> I think the problem is with Ubuntu package.
[21:39] <Unit193> I think you overestimate my hardware.
[21:43] <Unit193> tracker8: Also, that's the latest upstream, and git didn't really have anything else.  Also, there's not really any strange build options in use.
[21:44] <tracker8> Unit193: https://lists.x.org/archives/xorg-devel/2017-June/053874.html
[21:44] <tracker8> Unit193: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13257
[21:44] <tracker8> it seems to be a problem with Ubuntu's XPresent
[21:45] <tracker8> Mate also implemented DRI3 on 1.20, and it seems some users cat get the "screen tearing free" on Ubuntu Mate
[21:45] <tracker8> Unit193: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13693
[21:51] <tracker8> Well, I hope someone has figured out how to makeXFWM 4.13 screen tearing free to work on Ubuntu =). I will read the logs latter
[21:51] <tracker8> Byt
[21:52] <Unit193> You could try rebuilding both, I guess...But not sure I'd expect much.
[22:56] <sublevel> hi channel,  I saw the blogpost from march saying more testers needed and thought I'd give it a go. getting 404 error on bionic daily amd64 download link here: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/384/builds/173056/downloads
[22:57] <knome> sublevel, bionic, or 18.04, is released already. we've moved onto "cosmic" (18.10) testing...
[22:57] <knome> but it's really really early for that now
[22:57] <sublevel> ah, thanks,  yes my next question was going to be 'does that even need testing'
[22:58] <sublevel> as I saw cosmic was the one linked from https://wiki.xubuntu.org/qa:installing
[22:58] <knome> i mean it doesn't hurt, but it's more useful a bit later in the cycle :)
[23:01] <knome> you'll want to talk to flocculant or akxwi-dave for details
[23:01] <knome> sublevel, ^
[23:07] <sublevel> I wondered if testing on 18.04 was useful for 18.04.1,    and assumed if testing wasn't required then the dailies wouldn't be listed there on iso.qa.ubuntu.com with test instructions
[23:07] <sublevel> but I'm just learning my way around all this stuff :)
[23:07] <knome> well yes it's not totally useless
[23:08] <sublevel> nicks noted, thanks
[23:08] <knome> upgrade testing from 16.04 to 18.04(.1) is useful at this point as well
[23:08] <knome> but also sooo much more useful if you do it on real hardware/system
[23:09] <knome> but you can only do it once really unless you back up
[23:09] <sublevel> I could install 16.04 and try an upgrade,  on bare metal
[23:09] <knome> yeah, the thing is that then it'd be an upgrade from a "clean" 16.04
[23:09] <sublevel> right, yes
[23:10] <knome> but i'd still say valuable
[23:10] <sublevel> I'm on lubuntu at the moment, don't have a previous xubuntu install
[23:11] <knome> lubuntu needs help too :)
[23:12] <sublevel> good point, I could test 16.04 -> 18.04 upgrade for them


[07:14] <ochosi> morning everyone
[07:15] <elfy> morning ochosi
[07:28] <ochosi> just sent out the ultimate "please add/remove software X"-temptation email to the devel ML
[07:29] <elfy> I hope you [TEAM]'d it :D
[07:29] <elfy> that'll make all the difference apparently ...
[07:30] <ali1234> i think you all have deficient email clients
[07:30] <ali1234> if you can't keep up with the flood of messages on xubuntu-devel
[07:31] <ali1234> it must be what, 5 a day?
[07:31] <elfy> ali1234: I don't have an issue with that at all
[07:42] <ochosi> ali1234: i wanted to ask you this before, but would something like a fade-to-black before the X11 screensaver blanks the screen be best implemented in the compositor or somewhere else?
[07:43] <ali1234> that should be in the screensaver i think
[07:44] <ochosi> ok
[07:45] <ochosi> knome: can we have social sharing buttons on the xubuntu.org/news posts?
[07:49] <ali1234> i have a plugin for that which does not rely on any funky api nonsense
[07:50] <ochosi> knome: ^ :)
[07:51] <ochosi> ali1234: i'm not sure though it'll be easy to install plugins there with the little amount of control we seem to have over the installation...
[07:51] <ali1234> probably not, no
[07:51] <ochosi> also, those changes seem to take forever every time
[07:51] <ali1234> you can put it in the theme functions.php though
[07:51] <ochosi> the locking article could've been published two months ago almost
[07:51] <ochosi> we couldn't add the css, so i doubt we can edit functions.php :)
[07:54] <ali1234> https://github.com/ali1234/share-buttons
[07:54] <ali1234> probably has many bugs
[07:54] <ochosi> :)
[07:55] <ochosi> ali1234: if there's anything you'd wanna work on in this cycle feel free to let me know so we can add it to a blueprint
[07:55] <ali1234> fixing bugs...
[07:56] <ali1234> i want to fix this xfce panel bug with multimonitor, but it is a really deep problem
[07:56] <ali1234> also corner tiling
[08:00] <ochosi> right, corner tiling
[08:01] <ochosi> those are mostly things we'd wanna fix upstream
[08:01] <ochosi> and try to get a new xfwm4 release into utopic
[09:51] <knome> we can edit functions.php... but it's not any easier than getting a plugin in
[09:52] <knome> and since it is so, i'd rather keep it out of the theme :)
[09:53] <knome> i can't see any plugins for that, but we should probably ask canonical first if they had some "known" ones they'd prefer us to use
[10:27] <knome> ochosi, re: blueprints, is there something that you'd like me to work on during the next cycle that is or isn't on the blueprints yet?
[10:29] <ochosi> knome: it'd be great if you could work a bit on the "document our processes" stuff
[10:29] <ochosi> because you know a lot (maybe the most) about that
[10:29] <ochosi> and it'd be sustainable to write it down
[10:30] <ochosi> as long as you still remember it ;)
[10:30] <knome> i've been putting it down as i've noticed it's missing
[10:31] <ochosi> cool
[10:31] <knome> i added greybird-a11y to the artwork blueprint
[10:31] <knome> as you probably notices
[10:31] <knome> *noticed
[10:31] <ochosi> yup
[10:31] <knome> what about the wallpaper?
[10:32] <knome> do you want me to keep thinking about it?
[10:32] <ochosi> well i'm happy if you wanna keep working on that
[10:32] <knome> i can do that
[10:32] <ochosi> i didn't assign it to you straight away because you said you wanted a break
[10:32] <knome> just assigned myself
[10:32] <ochosi> and i wasn't sure what that entailed
[10:32] <knome> well, yeah, a break from leading responsibilities
[10:32] <ochosi> sure
[10:33] <knome> i'm still doing this and that in the ubuntu community, so...
[10:33] <knome> btw, we got green light for our loco theme from the trademarks team
[10:33] <knome> refresher: this one: http://ufistaging.lallinaho.fi/
[10:33] <ochosi> congrats
[10:33] <ochosi> yeah, i remember
[10:33] <knome> yeah, and the web team is interested to work with me
[10:34] <ochosi> hey, running off to other teams is TABOO! :)
[10:34] <knome> lol
[10:34] <knome> just on the theme ;)
[10:34] <knome> and to be clear: the canonical web team
[10:34] <knome> not the community :P
[10:35] <ochosi> oh, $$$ :D
[10:35] <knome> haha!
[10:35] <knome> not really i suspect
[10:35] <knome> but hey, who knows what comes out of it
[10:35] <knome> i'm not keeping hopes or specifically trying to follow that path in the hoep of moolah
[10:37] <ochosi> if you have other ideas for the blueprints, please feel free to just add them
[10:37] <ochosi> we can have a discussion over what gets in at a meeting or so
[10:37] <knome> i'll do tht
[10:37] <knome> but probably not too much
[10:38] <knome> i'm avoiding thinking :P
[10:38] <ochosi> but for now we still have this post-LTS vacuum
[10:38] <knome> yep
[10:38] <knome> perfect time to work on other projects
[10:38] <knome> and non-release-schedule-based ones
[10:42] <ochosi> yeah, i still would like to see ali1234's panel-switch app in xubuntu
[10:42] <ochosi> (well, ideally upstream directly in the panel, but hey...)
[10:42] <knome> yeah, that'd be nice
[10:59] <ochosi> bluesabre: do you need anything else for the 1.8.5 sync request?
[10:59] <ochosi> or do we just wait at this point
[11:00] <bluesabre> nope, actually uploading the debdiffs right now
[11:00] <ochosi> also, as a member of the US part of our team, what other meeting time would work for you?
[11:00] <ochosi> i'm considering scheduling another meeting soon
[11:00] <ochosi> and wanna try a different daytime agai
[11:00] <ochosi> n
[11:01] <bluesabre> any time before 12mm UTC was actually quite good for me, other than that, anytime after 11pm UTC
[11:01] <bluesabre> otherwise I take my laptop to work and tether to my phone
[11:03] <ochosi> ok, thanks for the heads up
[11:03] <ochosi> pleia2: as another member from the US, what time works for you?
[11:04] <ochosi> bluesabre: shall we try to look at the lid bug again tonight?
[11:05] <bluesabre> yeah, I'll try to make it online at a reasonable time
[11:05] <ochosi> ok cool
[11:05] <ochosi> if you can, lemme know if you can't make it
[11:06] <ochosi> or if you prefer the other way round, that also works :)
[11:06] <ochosi> (just so that i know how hard to try to be online)
[11:08] <bluesabre> :)
[11:08] <bluesabre> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm-gtk-greeter/+bug/1320830
[11:10] <ochosi> so is there anyone to poke or will it just get done?
[11:10] <bluesabre> the sponsors will probably pick it up
[11:10] <bluesabre> or maybe I can poke Logan_ or micahg
[11:11] <bluesabre> :)
[11:11] <ochosi> sounds good :)
[11:18] <ochosi> bbabl
[14:42] <ochosi> elfy: we have a staging PPA now, as soon as there are packages for it, this one and the xubuntu-dev one will be used for testing: https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/xubuntu-staging
[14:43] <ochosi> fyi, micahg rejected creating one PPA per series, because PPAs can hold multiple series (which is true)
[15:04] <knome> ochosi, sure, otoh, we might not want to test *all of it* in the a release
[15:04] <knome> or to put it otherwise, all packages in the PPA might not be relevant
[15:42] <ochosi> knome: yeah, ppl will have to filter the view according to the release they're using to see the relevant packages
[15:42] <ochosi> (in launchpad)
[15:43] <ochosi> for installing packages it mostly won't matter
[15:43] <knome> well, that's not what i meant
[15:43] <knome> well, for installing packages it might matter
[15:43] <ochosi> not sure i get what you mean
[15:44] <knome> nvm
[15:44] <knome> too hot to explain
[15:51] <ochosi> ali1234: say, would it be possible to convert all trayicons to "indicators" in the sense that they'd be toggle-buttons with left-click menus attached?
[15:51] <ochosi> i mean in the panel
[16:05] <knome> where else do we have trayicons than panel? :P
[16:06] <ochosi> well one way would be to create panel-plugins for specific things, like nm-applet
[16:06] <ochosi> (as an alternative to the indicators, i mean)
[16:16] <elfy> ochosi: thanks
[16:40] <pleia2> ochosi: any time after 1700 UTC (can usually do 1600, but in the winter that's early)
[16:44] <ochosi> pleia2: ok, thanks, will try to set the next meeting time so you'll be able to make it
[16:44] <ochosi> any specific weekdays that don't work?
[16:45] <pleia2> ochosi: nope, all are fine
[16:58] <ochosi> ok
[16:58] <ochosi> will try to set a meeting asap then
[16:59] <pleia2> hooray blueprints
[19:48] <ochosi> elfy: well it *is* moving forward, yeah
[19:48] <ochosi> i think that we know how to fix the bug and that we have a semi-working patch
[19:48] <ochosi> but it still needs to be tweaked and maybe eve extended a little
[19:48] <elfy> ok cool ty
[19:49] <ochosi> we actually planned to sit down tonight and take a look at it (we = me and bluesabre)
[19:50] <elfy> aah ok - I'll see what piskie has to show me tomorrow
[19:57] <ochosi> yup, we'll try to keep you posted
[21:33] <ochosi> pleia2: i presume the posts on xubuntu.org/news don't land on gÃ+ automagically, right?
[21:33] <pleia2> ochosi: nope, facebook is the only magic
[21:33] <ochosi> if that is the case, would you mind putting the last one about locking to g+ (and along the way show me how?)
[21:34] <pleia2> ochosi: you can do it! I can show you how
[21:34] <ochosi> could we make the g+ thingy automatic too though?
[21:34] <pleia2> no, G+ sucks and has no api
[21:34] <ochosi> oh :/
[21:34] <knome> ochosi, interested in twitter as well? :)
[21:34] <pleia2> ochosi: go to your google plus page and click on your face in the top right and select "Xubuntu" page
[21:34] <ochosi> knome: nah, i'm only interested in the things i'm using myself ;)
[21:35] <knome> hehe, sure
[21:35] <pleia2> once that loads can just add in a link to the link thingy, usually I say some stuff about the post too
[21:35] <knome> i'll tweet it anyway though
[21:35] <pleia2> knome: thanks :)
[21:35] <knome> tweeted
[21:35] <ochosi> knome: thanks :) you know that i *meant* "interested in doing myself.."
[21:36] <knome> ochosi, yeah, that's ok, i can keep managing the twitter account
[21:36] <ochosi> btw, why the news and blog duplication on x.org?
[21:36] <knome> hm?
[21:37] <pleia2> news and blog are different things (and blog includes news)
[21:37] <knome> the blog has *all* articles
[21:37] <knome> news are announcements
[21:37] <knome> articles is pretty much everything else
[21:37] <knome> but practically we could have even more categories
[21:38] <knome> they would all show up in blog
[21:38] <knome> but not in news/articles
[21:38] <pleia2> suppose we should write FAQ soon
[21:38] <knome> we haven't done that in a few cycles
[21:38] <pleia2> but now I'm giving myself work :( who made me talk in here
[21:38] <pleia2> hehe
[21:38] <knome> 12.10 last one
[21:38] <pleia2> yeah, it's time again I think
[21:38] <knome> yep, at least for LTS releases
[21:39] <knome> that said, we might want to review the wording at the help page
[21:39] <knome> "Also visit our Frequently Asked Questions, available for Xubuntu 11.10 and onward."
[21:39] <knome> i wonder if bruno would be willing to continue this trend of the FAQ articles, would take the workload off of pleia2
[21:40] <knome> and is something that can be done in small junks at a time
[21:40] <knome> which, afaiu, is required at the moment for work for bruno
[21:43] <ochosi> pleia2: could you check whether it got posted? it first seemed it didnt, then it seemed like it did twice... my connection is a bit flaky here
[21:44] <pleia2> ochosi: posted twice at first, but looks good now
[21:44] <ochosi> ok, ty
[21:44] <ochosi> Ã+1'd and reshared
[21:44] <knome> Ã ?
[21:44] <knome> :P
[21:46] <ochosi> yeah, i have no idea why my screen session has lost its ability to handle odd characters
[21:47] <ochosi> i only see question marks on black ground for the tilde
[21:47] <knome> huhu
[21:47] <ochosi> (and i can't even remove it by backspacing it away)
[21:47] <ochosi> maybe it's also irssi
[21:48] <knome> mm
[21:48] <knome> i'm too lazy to debug it with you now, but ask me some time later
[21:49] <ochosi> will try something now...
[21:51] <ochosi> fixed
[21:52] <knome> :)
[22:08] <ochosi> hey Noskcaj_
[22:09] <Noskcaj_> hey ochosi
[22:09] <ochosi> welcome back - good to see you around again :)
[22:09] <ochosi> to answer your question from the mailinglist
[22:10] <ochosi> i haven't set the next meeting time yet
[22:10] <Noskcaj_> I think i said this in the mailing list, but the hardware part of my dev pc is finally working, and i should have a new laptop later this week
[22:10] <knome> allö Noskcaj_, and welcome to assign yourself some work items ;)
[22:10] <Noskcaj_> ok
[22:10] <Noskcaj_> hey knome
[22:10] <Noskcaj_> not quite yet
[22:11] <ochosi> Noskcaj_: just wondering, what daytime/nighttime (in UTC) would be good for you in terms of meetings?
[22:12] <Noskcaj_> ochosi: 2000-2200UTC, or 0800-1200UTC
[22:13] <Noskcaj_> 6-8am and 4-8pm in my time
[22:13] <ochosi> ok, good to know
[22:13] <ochosi> just trying to figure out a different meeting time for the next meeting :)
[22:14] <Noskcaj_> Are there any issues with booting to uefi?
[22:14] <Noskcaj_> My live usb is broken
[22:16] <ochosi> no idea, i don't have such a new machine ;)
[23:19] <ochosi> Unit193: as another US based member, would 20UTC work for you?
[23:19] <ochosi> or, what other times would/nt work
[23:19] <elfy> hi ochosi
[23:19] <Unit193> ochosi: Sounds do-able, aye.
[23:20] <ochosi> ok, then i'll do a US friendly version this time around
[23:20] <knome> 20UTC is getting kind of pretty late here, but i can do that
[23:21] <elfy> knome: you utc+2 atm?
[23:21] <knome> +3
[23:21] <elfy> aah - normally +2
[23:22] <knome> (yes it's 2am+ here now and i'm still up, no complaints about 20UTC i guess ;))
[23:22] <knome> yeah, but DST stuff
[23:22] <elfy> ha ha ha
[23:23] <Unit193> 1900 worked for me too. :P
[23:23]  * elfy sends pa bug and watches it disappear for ever
[23:24] <ochosi> there'll always be problems
[23:24] <ochosi> frankly i wouldn't mind if we just managed to fix two meeting times
[23:24] <ochosi> and alternate between the two
[23:24] <ochosi> but for now let's try to let the chairs decide
[23:24] <elfy> that would be better I think than random times decided by chairs
[23:24] <elfy> but yea
[23:25] <knome> i think it's a great incentive for the chairs to decide the meetings
[23:27] <ochosi> anyway, meeting-time set
[23:27] <ochosi> Unit193: care to update the google-cal?
[23:27] <Unit193> Just to make sure, can you tell me exactly when?
[23:28] <knome> i can update.
[23:28] <ochosi> may 26, 20utc
[23:28] <ochosi> (just sent the email to the ML)
[23:28] <knome> done
[23:28] <Unit193> Ah, hasn't hit me yet.  I could just fine but looks ^
[23:29] <Unit193> knome: Thanks.
[23:29] <knome> i have the calendar set in a really accessible fashion right now
[23:29] <knome> so if you need somebody to add anything, it's just a few clikcs
[23:29] <ochosi> you do?
[23:29] <knome> yeah
[23:29] <ochosi> i'd like to have that too
[23:29] <knome> i have it on lightbird on thunderbird
[23:29] <ochosi> i just have a very very slow tab in firefox
[23:29]  * ochosi would really love to see a calendar app in xubuntu that works with google-calendar
[23:29] <knome> well, thunderbird ;)
[23:30] <ochosi> meh
[23:30] <knome> hah.
[23:30] <knome> yeah, works for me, probably not something for default setup
[23:30] <ochosi> thunderbird reminds me too much of those very very slow tabs in firefox
[23:30] <knome> :D
[23:30] <knome> oh btw,
[23:30] <Unit193> I have junk/gcalset if I want to set an Xubuntu meeting.
[23:30] <knome> what's the limit on the meeting scheduling?
[23:30] <Unit193> ochosi: gcalcli+conky?
[23:31] <knome> does slickymaster basically need to schedule for week 23?
[23:31] <ochosi> Unit193: have a conkyrc for that handy?
[23:31] <Unit193> Not so pretty, but yep.
[23:31] <knome> or does it slide
[23:31] <ochosi> knome: i'd like to discuss the rhythm at the next meeting
[23:31] <knome> goodie.
[23:31] <ochosi> i'm actually rather relaxed about that in general
[23:31] <knome> just popped up in my mind..
[23:32] <ochosi> when we need it, we'll have weekly meetings
[23:32] <knome> yeah, i guess it's better that way
[23:32] <knome> though, there should be technically some limitation
[23:32] <ochosi> as long as we don't, we can have one every two weeks
[23:32] <knome> "at most 2 weeks from the last meeting"
[23:32] <knome> so the schedule is kind of organic
[23:32] <ochosi> yeah
[23:32] <knome> but still keeps us with meetings
[23:33] <ochosi> i'm wondering whether we should write this down somewhere
[23:33] <knome> probably when it's decided
[23:33] <knome> can go on the Processes page
[23:33] <ochosi> just sending it to the ML sometimes feels like... echo "blah" > /dev/null
[23:33] <elfy> put it on a m/l with [TEAM]
[23:33] <knome> if you think "for the next meeting", i can just repeat myself
[23:33] <elfy> ochosi: oh - so it's not just me then :p
[23:34] <knome> elfy, definitely not just you...
[23:34] <Unit193> ~/.gcalclirc: [gcalcli]\nuser: ochosi\npw: mylittlepasswordismagic  then pop something like  ${execpi 300 gcalcli --conky --cals=all  agenda `date +%m/%d/%Y` `date +%m/%d/%Y -d "2 days"`}  in .conky
[23:34] <elfy> another bug reported on the tracker that looks like it should be against a testcase and not xfce4-settings
[23:34] <ochosi> part of the problem is that there is no big tradition in this team to use the mailinglist
[23:34] <ochosi> for internal communication
[23:36] <ochosi> most people are on IRC anyways
[23:36] <ochosi> and most members of -team have a remote login
[23:36] <knome> ...and we've kind of wanted to support that
[23:37] <elfy> well 2 at least only have that because someone else in -team offered it
[23:37] <elfy> and having IRC as the way to communicate - doesn't mean that it happens
[23:37] <elfy> not all of us are in other channels
[23:38] <ochosi> yeah, easy enough to join though
[23:38] <ochosi> i'd expect everyone to be in the channels relevant to him/her anyway
[23:38] <elfy> that's not the point ;)
[23:39] <knome> maybe they should ;)
[23:39] <elfy> [19:03] <elfy> I suspect there were bits in xfce channels, bits in shimmer - there were certainly bits in here
[23:39] <elfy> [19:07] <bluesabre> indeed
[23:39] <elfy> [19:07] <bluesabre> lots of bits in shimmer
[23:39] <elfy> [19:07] <bluesabre> tbh
[23:39] <knome> well, that's not what i meant either :)
[23:39] <elfy> here being -offtopic
[23:40] <knome> i acknowledge the problem with #shimmer specifically
[23:40] <knome> what i mean is other ubuntu channels, like #ubuntu-release or #ubuntu-quality
[23:46] <bluesabre> d'oh, logged by elfy
[23:47] <Unit193> >_>
[23:50] <ochosi> bluesabre: this should be pretty much the appdata stuff for parole: http://dpaste.com/2ANB2A7/
[23:50] <knome> i'm off
[23:51] <ochosi> night knome
[23:51] <knome> hf everybody, and see you later
[23:51] <knome> nighty night
[23:51] <elfy> me too - night all
[23:51] <bluesabre> seeya knome and elfy
[23:51] <ochosi> night elfy
[23:51] <bluesabre> ochosi: cool, that seems simple enough
[23:52] <ochosi> yup, sucks a bit that we have to keep that release-list up to date
[23:52] <ochosi> that's the most annoying overhead part i can see for now
[23:52] <bluesabre> yeah
[23:52] <bluesabre> we can probably script that
[23:52] <bluesabre> and put it into configure.ac.in
[23:52] <ochosi> anyway, i'll ping hughsie and ask him to review it
[23:52] <bluesabre> ok
[23:52] <ochosi> yeah, but incl the release-mail?
[23:53] <bluesabre> that might be tricky
[23:53] <ochosi> i mean that link doesn't seem very scriptable..
[23:53] <ochosi> anyhow, i'll let you know once i got this figured out
[23:53] <bluesabre> does it need to be the release mail, we could alternatively link to release announcements I throw onto my site
[23:54] <ochosi> or the git commit id
[23:54] <bluesabre> that works
[23:54] <ochosi> Unit193: i presume the compton stuff can be put in /xdg ?
[23:54] <ochosi> bluesabre: yeah, sure, but release-mails are nicer (changelog etc)
[23:54] <bluesabre> true
[23:54] <saxx_> Hey
[23:54] <bluesabre> but
[23:54] <bluesabre> it will be impossible to include the current version's release mail
[23:55] <bluesabre> because of that link
[23:55] <bluesabre> hey saxx_, what's up?
[23:55] <ochosi> unless you update the appdata file only *after* the release
[23:55] <ochosi> :)
[23:55] <bluesabre> so... release, modify released tarball?
[23:55] <ochosi> good point though, this is something to ask hughsie
[23:55] <saxx_> Hey Blue, just messing around customizing stuff, just done a fresh install
[23:56] <Unit193> ochosi: https://github.com/chjj/compton/blob/master/src/compton.c#L5145
[23:57] <ochosi> Unit193: a simple "yes" would've sufficed though :)
[23:57] <Unit193> Oh, right.  Words. :(
[23:58] <ochosi> as you seem interested in the compton file, would that be a workitem you'd take for 14.10?
[23:58] <Unit193> I've used compton, but I purged it a while ago.
[23:59] <ochosi> is that a yes or a no..? :)


[11:25] <MrChrisDruif> Good afternoon everyone, here's an interesting one. I've installed gdebi, but in the properties of a .deb I can't select it (let alone make it the default action). Does anybody know if this is a known issue, is it solved in Precise or should there be a bug made? And if so, where?
[11:27] <Silverlion> can you repost it MrChrisDruif
[11:27] <Silverlion> =
[11:27] <Silverlion> ?
[11:27] <MrChrisDruif> Good afternoon everyone, here's an interesting one. I've installed gdebi, but in the properties of a .deb I can't select it (let alone make it the default action). Does anybody know if this is a known issue, is it solved in Precise or should there be a bug made? And if so, where?
[11:28] <Silverlion> MrChrisDruif : no idea :D
[11:28] <MrChrisDruif> ashickur-noor; any experience with gdebi in Oneiric by any chance?
[11:28] <MrChrisDruif> Thought so Silverlion
[11:29] <Silverlion> [12:22] Silverlion: ok need help making a decision: shall i go a fourth time to try and install lubuntu or shall i directly install mint which i know works for my hardware?
[11:31] <MrChrisDruif> Silverlion; did you try that install without getting updates during install?
[11:31] <Silverlion> MrChrisDruif : i am just looking for that iso i made yesterday and trying it
[11:31] <Silverlion> but therefore i need to re-arrange my internet connection. be back soon
[15:51] <falcon_> how do I run applications that I downloaded from synaptic, but don,t show up in the menus
[15:51] <falcon_> don't
[15:51] <holstein> falcon_: you can type the command in the terminal, or hit ALT+F2 and type it in there
[15:52] <falcon_> what command do I need to type
[15:52] <holstein> falcon_: whatever command launches whatever application you installed
[15:52] <falcon_> I was typing 'run <application>'
[15:53] <holstein> falcon_: yup... in that command, "run" is the issue
[15:53] <falcon_> how do I find the command that launches apps
[15:53] <holstein> if i want to run nano for example, i open the terminal and type "nano"
[15:53] <falcon_> roger
[15:54] <holstein> falcon_: its usually the name... you'll need to elaborate for me to help you... it could literally be *any* application
[15:54] <falcon_> I think you just answered that one for me
[15:54] <falcon_> next, how do I put these into a menu
[15:55] <holstein> i see you are running lxde.. http://wiki.lxde.org/en/LXDE:Questions#How_do_I_add_custom_sub-menu_and.2For_launcher_to_LXDE.27s_main_menu.3F
[15:56] <holstein> theres a nice application i use called kupfer... you hit control+space and then you start typing the applicaion name, and it predicts and lets you launch... though, its not limited to applications
[15:58] <falcon_> also trying to get webcam use in pidgin
[15:58] <falcon_> does the end user need to be in pidgen to see my webcam??
[15:59] <holstein> falcon_: you can run lspci or lsusb depending on what type camera you are inquiring about... see if you see it in the list... i suggest looking at something like cheese that will 'just work' with the camera, to make sure its configured properly, then go on to configuring applications to use the camera
[16:00] <holstein> falcon_: i dont ue pidgin, but i would assume the best performance would be pidgin to pigin, though i had read there were plugins for other support
[16:00] <falcon_> I have gucview my webcam works fine
[16:01] <holstein> falcon_: cool.. so the hardware/software works fine... its just a matter of learning how to use pidgin
[16:01] <falcon_> in pidgin the webcam option does not light up
[16:02] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Pidgin
[16:03] <falcon_> thanx
[16:08] <duanedesign> falcon_: you can also use the command 'which' to find the command to run a program
[16:09] <duanedesign> for example:   which nano
[16:09] <duanedesign> returns:   /usr/bin/nano
[16:10] <duanedesign> so to run nano you can use the command:  /usr/bin/nano
[16:10] <falcon_> I downloaded freedict dictionaries but there seems to be no app to use them
[16:10] <duanedesign> or just nano because it automaagically looks in /usr/bin/
[16:12] <falcon_> also wanted to use stardict-tools from stardict app can I do that?
[16:12] <falcon_> I did download it from synaptic
[16:12] <falcon_> or is it just a command line app
[16:15] <falcon_> did anyone get sagemath to run on ubuntu. I couldn't using their directions
[16:15] <duanedesign> gnome-dictionary
[16:15] <holstein> falcon_: do you find your answers here ? http://code.google.com/p/stardict-3/
[16:15] <duanedesign> i think that might be the package you are looking for
[16:16] <duanedesign> yes i think holstein might be on to something :) i was just looking at this http://linuxers.org/article/stardict-great-dictionary-program
[16:16] <falcon_> how come synaptic doesn't put that in the download?
[16:16] <duanedesign> and to use offline. http://linuxers.org/howto/how-make-gnome-dictionary-work-offline
[18:08] <gnarr> anyone available for super noobish installation questions?
[18:09] <sunyata> gnarr: ask your question, if someone is available with an answer they'll respond
[18:11] <gnarr> trying to install dual boot with windows 7.    on the documentation it shows 3 options on the graphical interface:   install over win7, side by side, or something else.      on my screen it only shows install over and 'something else'
[18:12] <Abhijit> choose something else
[18:12] <gnarr> having never done this before, i'm kinda not keen on going past something else without understaning what i'm doing
[18:12] <Abhijit> then create->select partitions manually and install
[18:12] <gnarr> yeah it shows what appears to be 4 partitions
[18:12] <gnarr> and no empty space
[18:12] <Abhijit> do you already had the empty space?
[18:13] <MonkeyDust> gnarr  in a terminal, type sudo fdisk -l|pastebinit and paste the url here
[18:13] <gnarr> it shows sda1 thru 4, with various space allocated to each.
[18:14] <gnarr> can you walk me through how to do that
[18:14] <gnarr> as i said, super noobish
[18:14] <Abhijit> gnarr, press ctrl alt T it will open terminal
[18:14] <Abhijit> then type that command
[18:14] <gnarr> ok
[18:14] <Abhijit> wait do not type copy paste
[18:14] <stlsaint> is pastebinit now a default app?
[18:15] <Abhijit> stlsaint, i think so
[18:15] <gnarr> evidently not, it's not installed.   hold on
[18:15] <Abhijit> ok
[18:15] <stlsaint> yea i didn't think so...
[18:16] <gnarr> hrm, followed the instructions to intall and got error from that - unable to locate package pastebinit
[18:16] <Abhijit> stlsaint, :-)
[18:16] <stlsaint> apt-get that sucker
[18:16] <Abhijit> gnarr, sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[18:16] <stlsaint> what distro is this and what sources are enBLED
[18:16] <stlsaint> enabled
[18:17] <gnarr> this is 11.10
[18:17] <gnarr> not sure how to determine sources?
[18:17] <gnarr> abhijit:  that gives me an error
[18:17] <gnarr> reading pacakge lists.... Done, Building dependency tree, Reading state infomration... Done, E: Unable to locate package pastebinit
[18:18] <Abhijit> MonkeyDust, will the screenshot of gparted for that desk will do?
[18:19] <Abhijit> disk*
[18:19] <MonkeyDust> yes
[18:19] <stlsaint> hey wait what are we needing pastebinit for again? harddrive layout?
[18:20] <Abhijit> gnarr, open gparted. in there select your target hdd if its not selected already in top right corner take screenshot of that windows and use imagebin website to uplaod it and give us the url
[18:20] <Abhijit> stlsaint, yep as suggested by MonkeyDust
[18:20] <stlsaint> better yet...
[18:20] <Abhijit> off to dinner.
[18:20] <gnarr> only root may run fparted
[18:21] <gnarr> gparted
[18:21] <gnarr> makin screenshot, hold
[18:22] <holstein> gnarr: do you know what that means? only root may run gparted?
[18:23] <gnarr> not entirely.
[18:23] <holstein> you need proper permission to run that application... its not trivial, and running that as root *will* allow you to do some damage, so feel free and aks *before* you click
[18:23] <gnarr> right
[18:24] <gnarr> i'm asking because i'm trying to avoid damage :)
[18:24] <gnarr> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/696/screenshotat20111226182.png/
[18:24] <gnarr> that is where i'm at the installtion
[18:24] <holstein> gnarr: thats an excellent policy :)
[18:24] <gnarr> and where i'm not really sure how to proceed from
[18:24] <holstein> most of the time we get the questions after the damage :/
[18:25] <MonkeyDust> gnarr  during installation, choose a non-used partition and format it to ext4
[18:26] <holstein> gnarr: i like to suggest folks at least glance at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[18:26] <MonkeyDust> partitioning is the trickiest part
[18:26] <holstein> and think about how to revert... if you remove ubuntu, whats not going to be the same anymore
[18:26] <gnarr> i suppose i should explain why i'm trying to do all this
[18:26] <gnarr> soooooooo
[18:27] <holstein> you would need to use a windows CD to give you the windows boot loader back
[18:27] <gnarr> pretty sure the registry on win7 is fucko.    I can't boot windows from a recovery cd, safe mode, anything.
[18:27] <holstein> i say, as long as your data is backed up, and you konw how to revert, and you've check the system with a live CD, go for it
[18:27] <gnarr> but i can boot it from an ubuntu cd
[18:27] <gnarr> so
[18:28] <gnarr> was thinking i could do side-by-side and then see if i can recover the registry
[18:28] <gnarr> rather than full win7 install
[18:28] <gnarr> ?
[18:28] <holstein> gnarr: installing ubuntu beside a borked windows wont do anything
[18:28] <stlsaint> gnarr: language please
[18:32] <stlsaint> and ubuntu will not touch windiws
[18:33] <stlsaint> windows
[18:34] <holstein> gnarr: you dont want to reinstall windows *after* installing ubuntu... thats not trivial either, and you'll end up with either windows wiping ubuntu, or, best case scenario, ubuntu just not booting... theres a 'how-to' at that link i linked earlier relating to grub2
[18:35] <stlsaint> holstein: why would we want to give the windows bootloader back?  why not using grub2?
[18:35] <holstein> stlsaint: just to get back to the current 'as-is' state... its just a change i like to alert new users to
[18:36] <gnarr> yeah reading a bunch of stuff right now.   baby steps and whatnot.  just trying to figure out how to recover the registry or whatever is prevent win from booting even in safe mode, going down various paths i've found via google
[18:36] <holstein> gnarr: back up your data... reinstall windows... install ubuntu beside it
[18:37] <stlsaint> Ubuntu would not be the best resource to fix a windows install thats not booting
[18:37] <holstein> ^^ yeah, and theres no need to install ubuntu to do that... you can run it live and do all the fixing
[18:38] <gnarr> then how would i go about fixing via live run?
[18:39] <gnarr> i guess the fixing part is where i'm lost.
[18:40] <gnarr> probably gonna just have to reinstall
[18:40] <holstein> gnarr: yup, and you'll need to explore a windows support avenue for that... personally, i just reinstall windows... i find it much easier to just backup my data, and reinstal, and set it up properly from the beginning with backups and proper recovery steps
[18:40] <gnarr> not a huge issue, just inconvenience, i lack a reinstall disc
[18:41] <holstein> thats also a great time to backup the data, and try transitioning to linux full time, or to the latest release of windows
[18:41] <sunyata> gnarr: you may want to consider backing up data, then replacing windows with ubuntu, then restoring
[18:41] <holstein> i find it very benificial to run windows vitualized inside of linux..
[18:42] <holstein> depends on what you 'need' windows for
[18:42] <gnarr> data is backed up already.   if i replace windows with ubuntu, how (and what exactly) would i restore
[18:42] <holstein> gnarr: the data?... i just drag it over
[18:42] <stlsaint> i would HIGHLY suggest that you do not transition fully to linux just yet
[18:43] <holstein> yeah, but i also would suggest buring up a lot of time reinstalling and configuring a 10 year old operating system... i would consider purchasing windows 7
[18:43] <stlsaint> unless you know right now that you do not need windows for absolutely anything
[18:43] <gnarr> hm
[18:43]  * holstein assumes you are on windows XP
[18:45] <stlsaint> i was able to erase windows because i do not game nor use MS office so no need for windows
[18:45] <holstein> yeah, i migrated slowly
[18:46] <holstein> i had my audio recording machine running windows for almost 2 years after i started migrating
[18:47] <MonkeyDust> i use ms office on XP in virtual box
[18:47] <holstein> that'll do, but the gaming... not so much
[18:47] <gnarr> so
[18:47] <gnarr> uh nm.
[18:48] <gnarr> gonna go get some more brawndo
[18:49] <stlsaint> gnarr: when you return please download and run following script: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/41703043/boot_info_script060/boot_info_script.sh
[18:53] <gnarr> what does that do
[18:53] <stlsaint> good that you asked ;)
[18:53] <stlsaint> provides a layout of your hardware for troubleshooting
[18:53] <stlsaint> feel free to take a view of the script
[18:54] <stlsaint> nothing to hide and it is widely used across the ubuntu forums community
[18:54] <stlsaint> gnarr: its going to output a RESUTLS.txt file. Copy the data of that file into pastebin site and send link here or private message
[19:00] <gnarr> as far as i can tell, this is where i'm at and where i can proceed.     win7 doesn't boot in any mode.    i can boot with ubuntu to backup data (already done).    I can't use ubuntu to do any diagnostics/recovery/fixing of the win7 registry or whatever else might be causing the boot failure.
[19:00] <gnarr> is that a logical conclusion?
[19:01] <stlsaint> pretty much
[19:02] <gnarr> bummer.
[19:04] <stlsaint> yep
[19:06] <gnarr> no worries.
[19:07] <gnarr> guess i'll go the win7 reinstall route, i have backups, just no install disc (thx samsung)
[19:07] <gnarr> thanks for the assistance though
[19:07] <gnarr> i haz teh learning
[19:10] <sunyata> gnarr: do you get an error message when trying to boot windows?
[19:12] <gnarr> yeah i get an option to boot recovery mode or normal.   normal gets a blue screen and then restarts, recovery mode doesn't progress past the initial recovery screen, though i did get it to go to the 'keyboard layout select' screen when i booted with a recovery disc, but that's as far as it goes.
[19:14] <gnarr> s/recovery/Startup Repair
[19:16] <sunyata> gnarr: can you boot in safe mode?  have you considered using your ubuntu cd to scan for viruses?
[19:18] <gnarr> so far I haven't been able to boot in safe mode of any sort (networking, command prompt, etc)   I haven't considered virus scan - it'd be pretty surprised if that was the issue, I had active antivirus, but anything's possible
[19:20] <urlin2u> gnarr, have yo runn a chkdsk /r on the windows initiated from a recovery disc?
[19:20] <urlin2u> you*
[19:22] <gnarr> i can't 'initiate' windows at all, not sure how i can do your suggestion?
[19:22] <gnarr> basically i can only get to bios and the f8 menu, but none of those function
[19:22] <gnarr> can only boot w/ ubuntu
[19:22] <gnarr> am about to just nuke it and reinstall win7
[19:23] <gnarr> or try this
[19:23] <gnarr> http://www.arsgeek.com/2008/01/15/how-to-fix-your-windows-mbr-with-an-ubuntu-livecd/
[19:25] <urlin2u> gnarr, I wouldn't use that you can use another bootloader called lilo to boot windows straight. You didn't make a recovery cd?
[19:26] <urlin2u> lilo is available using a live ubuntu cd. gnarr
[19:27] <gnarr> i have a recovery cd, it won't do anything for me
[19:27] <gnarr> does nothing after asking me what keyboard configuration i have
[19:27] <urlin2u> gnarr, the recovery will get you to a recovery terminal to run a chkdsk.
[19:27] <gnarr> see above.
[19:27] <urlin2u> gnarr, disc is broke?
[19:28] <gnarr> what is supposed to happen when i boot from a recovery disc?  computer came with recovery partition, both have same result, except booting from the disc progresses to the keyboard layout question before doing nothing, partition just does nothing
[19:28] <urlin2u> gnarr, the bootscript was mentioned have you run it? This script gives a very good wha is where that will show problems a geeks best tool in this situation.
[19:29] <gnarr> hold on, booting up w/ ubuntu
[19:29] <gnarr> again
[19:29] <gnarr> downloaded the script, will run it on boot
[19:30] <urlin2u> gnarr, the recovery disc after the language pick you hey r for repair and load images repair or use a terminal to run commands
[19:30] <LemonAid> The hangup after the keyboard selection during installation is a know issue.
[19:30] <urlin2u> hey=hit
[19:30] <urlin2u> LemonAid, links?
[19:31] <urlin2u> LemonAid, I'm hesitant to just believe a comment
[19:31] <stlsaint> LemonAid: and for what distro are you referring?
[19:31] <stlsaint> urlin2u: also why was lilo recommended?
[19:31] <LemonAid> urlin2u, 11.04 hold on.
[19:32] <urlin2u> stlsaint, they want to reload a MS boot lilo boot windows straight like the MS boot was in the mbr,
[19:32] <stlsaint> ok
[19:33] <LemonAid> urlin2u, http://tinyurl.com/c3ejzzk
[19:34] <urlin2u> LemonAid, read back it is a windows recovery disc.
[19:36] <gnarr> the script .sh file - how do i run that exacty?
[19:36] <LemonAid> urlin2u, my bad.
[19:36] <urlin2u>  LemonAid easy mistake, :D
[19:37] <LemonAid> gnarr, double click on it, select run from the pop up dialogue.
[19:37] <LemonAid> gnarr, you`re in ubuntu, right?
[19:37] <stlsaint> gnarr: in terminal run: chmod +x ...name of script.sh
[19:37] <gnarr> term ok
[19:37] <urlin2u> gnarr, exstract the bootscript to the desktop and run this command from the bootscript page  sudo bash ~/Desktop/boot_info_script.sh
[19:38] <urlin2u> LemonAid, right now yeah>
[19:38] <stlsaint> urlin2u: the link i sent has the script un-compressed. No need to extract anything
[19:38] <urlin2u> stlsaint, I noticed the chmod I came on after you posted the link.
[19:40] <stlsaint> ok
[19:40] <gnarr> running
[19:41] <gnarr> dealing w/ external distractions, sorry about delay
[19:41] <stlsaint> gnarr: remember paste the output to pastebin site. not directly here
[19:41] <gnarr> pastebin was not working right before
[19:41] <stlsaint> gnarr: no you was using the pastebin application "pastebinit"
[19:42] <stlsaint> or trying to use...
[19:42] <urlin2u> stlsaint, I'm going for coffee carry on. :D
[19:42] <stlsaint> gnarr: use this for paste: http://paste.debian.net/
[19:44] <gnarr> http://www.arsgeek.com/2008/01/15/how-to-fix-your-windows-mbr-with-an-ubuntu-livecd/
[19:44] <gnarr> oops
[19:44] <gnarr> imean
[19:44] <gnarr> paste.debian.net/150223
[19:46] <stlsaint> gnarr: thought you said you had no recovery?
[19:46] <gnarr> recovery partition?
[19:46] <stlsaint> gnarr: you said your data is already backed up and i see you have a recovery partition
[19:46] <stlsaint> yes
[19:46] <gnarr> yeah there's a recovery partition in lieu of a disc, but i can't boot from anything
[19:47] <stlsaint> you need no mbr disk nor ubuntu cd to fix your system. You boot from the recovery
[19:48] <gnarr> right...except it won't load past a certain point
[19:48] <stlsaint> the recovery?
[19:49] <gnarr> when i boot i get an option that says start in repair mode or normal.    repair mode will load up to a blue wallpaper screen and then do nothing ( i let it sit there overnight).   I've tried booting from a recovery cd as well, and the only difference is that it get prompted to input a keyboard layout type before it does nothing.
[19:50] <stlsaint> your recovery is still shown as hidden. Are you sure you was booting recovery and not a restore point?
[19:51] <gnarr> i don't really know how to tell.    i have a lot more options on the f8 boot menu (last working startup, debug mode, safe mode w/ networking, safe mode w/ command prompt) but i can't get functionality from those either
[19:54] <sunyata> gnarr: did you try opening task manager when booted up to blue wallpaper screen?
[19:55] <gnarr> i think i did, but i can try again real quick
[19:55] <sunyata> lol i thought you were getting a BSOD
[19:56] <stlsaint> gnarr: yea those are not your options needed for recovery. The partition is hidden. You must use a boot disk or even gparted to select that partition and unhide it
[19:56] <gnarr> i do when i try normal startup
[19:56] <gnarr> gparted?
[19:57] <stlsaint> gnarr: its on the ubuntu live disc there
[19:57] <gnarr> hrmhrmhrm.
[19:57] <gnarr> ok
[19:57] <gnarr> trying the task manager route, then will reboot ubuntu
[20:03] <gnarr> bsod comes with normal boot - too quick for me to read anything.   recovery boot prompts for keyboard layout, then does nothing.   i see blue wallpaper a bird and a mouse pointer that i can control, but nothing progresses past this point.    ctrl-alt-del does nothing
[20:03] <gnarr> so i guess i'll boot up ubuntu again and play w/ gparted?
[20:11] <sunyata> since no one else is answering, i think what stlsaint was wanting was for you to use gparted to set your recovery partition as active so that it would boot into it
[20:11] <sunyata> you may want to wait for him to come back, however
[20:12] <gnarr> yeah
[20:12] <gnarr> i've found similar suggestions in various forums
[20:13] <gnarr> booting ubuntu currently
[20:14] <stlsaint> sunyata: yes that is correct
[20:16] <sunyata> i personally find linux to be great for games, but i play old school stuff
[20:22] <gnarr> hm
[20:23] <gnarr> there are no active flags on the recovery partition
[20:23] <gnarr> should i set one?
[20:25] <sunyata> if you want to keep using windows lol
[20:25] <gnarr> yah but which
[20:25] <gnarr> boot diag hidden lba lvm palo prep raid
[20:25]  * sunyata cries
[20:26] <sunyata> i dunno, i'll guess boot, you can wait to see if someone else responds
[20:27] <gnarr> in no hurry
[20:31] <stlsaint> sorry what did i miss
[20:31] <gnarr> i'm in gparted
[20:31] <gnarr> there are no flags on my recovery partition
[20:31] <gnarr> should i set one?
[20:34] <gnarr> stlsaint, should i set a specific flag (boot?) on the recovery partition?  there are no flags on it currently.
[20:46] <gnarr> does ubuntu have an included partition imager?
[20:52] <sunyata> i've used gparted to create and delete partitions before gnarr
[20:52] <sunyata> as well as fdisk
[20:53] <gnarr> concerned about fallout if i set recovery to boot
[20:54] <sunyata> just use gparted again to unset
[20:54] <gnarr> ah yeah.
[20:55] <gnarr> meh
[20:56] <gnarr> okay then, let's try booting win7 again
[20:58] <gnarr> boots to the samsung recovery solution 4 screen (guess what I have a samsung laptop) and says Please wait...
[20:58] <gnarr> fairly sure this is what it was doing before, and i 'please wait'ed like 7 hrs
[20:59] <gnarr> but i'll let it sit i guess
[21:01] <sunyata> right, samsung, korean i believe
[21:02] <sunyata> gnarr: and the ubuntu livecd you're using works fine?
[21:02] <gnarr> yes can boot from that no issue
[21:02] <sunyata> maybe samsung should just preload ubuntu on their computers :)
[21:08] <gnarr> .
[21:18] <gnarr> ok still nothing after 20 mins
[21:18] <gnarr> just stuck at the samsung recovery screen
[21:24] <sunyata> looks like a fresh OS install is your only option at this point
[21:24] <sunyata> gnarr: unless you have other ideas
[21:25] <gnarr> hm where can i get an install disk from
[21:37] <sunyata> you mean a windows install disk?  you're on your own there gnarr
[21:38] <sunyata> i was going to suggest you could call samsung support gnarr
[21:40] <gnarr> http://www.mydigitallife.info/download-windows-7-iso-official-32-bit-and-64-bit-direct-download-links/
[21:40] <gnarr> what is that?
[21:41] <gnarr> might i be able to resintall from that if i have a valid key?
[21:47] <urlin2u> gnarr, you need a oem disc for a oem reinstall.
[21:48] <gnarr> so what is at that link?  not really sure what 'oem' is
[21:48] <urlin2u> gnarr, if you have a key for the official I would install it no firmware from samsung. A oem is samsungs version.
[21:49] <sunyata> oem stands for "origial equipment manufacturer", so a disc that comes from the manufacturer
[21:49] <urlin2u> gnarr, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OEM
[21:49]  * JackyAlcine thinks we need to add that term to ubot2`
[21:50] <gnarr> hm
[21:50] <urlin2u> !oem
[21:50] <ubot2`> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall - Don't want to use a CD? See http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[21:50] <gnarr> laptop just came w/ recover partition
[21:50] <gnarr> so
[21:50] <gnarr> guess it's to the telephone.  Anyong.
[21:56] <sunyata> there may be isos out there, but i'm not sure about the legalities so i don't want to recommend anything to you gnarr
[21:57] <gnarr> yeah not looking for anything of that sort.    i live in asia, i can walk down the street and score pirated windows.   I have a legit copy, jsut trying to reinstall it without having a disc
[21:58] <urlin2u> gnarr, you nust need a key that will go with the install, with oem's it is automatic, your best bet is to get the oem disc set for reinstalling from samsung.
[21:59] <gnarr> gonna call them in a sec
[21:59] <urlin2u> gnarr, or just buy a retail release you will loose the samsung junk that way and have a better setup.
[22:00] <gnarr> not a desirable option
[22:00] <gnarr> might as well just buy brand new laptop
[22:00] <gnarr> :|
[22:01] <urlin2u> gnarr, a retail release is actually better you get more and no firmware, no problems like you have right now. You can image it, which you can with a oem, but yiou have a disc for reinstall.
[22:01] <MonkeyDust> good for economy
[22:02] <urlin2u> gnarr, that retail release can be put on any computer the oem can't.
[22:04] <gnarr> hm  $120
[22:04] <gnarr> thought it would be more


[17:46] <czajkows1i> mhall119: you a wells fargo customer?
[17:46] <czajkows1i> I keep getting issues on ubuntu where it says unsupported
[17:47] <czajkows1i> Your browser or operating system has limited compatibility with the CEO portal. Upgrade your system or download a fully compatible browser. View System Requirements on the CEO portal Sign On page.
[17:47] <czajkows1i> grrrrrrrrrrr
[20:55] <mhall119> czajkows1i: nope,I think you've asked me that before
[23:05] <ahoneybun_> czajkows1i: I've logged in with no problems tho I'm not a CEO lol
[23:33] <hggdh> czajkows1i: I use wells fargo, without issues
[23:33] <hggdh> mostly on chromium


[08:59] <CIA-1> oem-config: evand * r463 oem-config/ (debian/changelog gui/glade/oem-config.glade): Disable the close button (LP: #190234).
[18:06] <greearb> I rolled my own ISO based on 8.0.4, and it generally runs fine.
[18:06] <greearb> However, when I try to install from the live cd, it complains about IO errors.  We burned several media, so it doesn't seem to be a media problem
[18:07] <greearb> the disk checker reports that two files are busted...is there any way to figure out which two files it is complaining about?
[18:07] <greearb> I was thinking maybe I could mount it loopback and then run some shell script or something similar to whatever is checking the integrity
[18:07] <greearb> or, check the live cd when it is booted?