[12:11] <mabreaux> where can I obtain libdvdcss2 for kubuntu
[12:11] <BluesKaj> non free sources
[12:11] <software_>  yes but don't acces it
[12:12] <mabreaux> according the the web page they list a directory but it does not exist on my system
[12:12] <joakim> hei
[12:12] <Hawkwind> !info libdvdcss2
[12:12] <ubotu> libdvdcss2: Simple foundation for reading DVDs - runtime libraries. In component extras, is optional. Version 1.2.9-0.0ubuntu2 (dapper-seveas), package size 31 kB, installed size 112 kB
[12:13] <joakim> kordan fr jeg  Panel meny opp igjen i  ubuntu XFCE fr ikke det opp igjen ?
[12:13] <jonathan__> hello, i was wondering if anyone is using edgy beta 1 here
[12:13] <mabreaux> so it is optional how do I get it.
[12:13] <jonathan__> for some reason it's having problems with my 3945 wireless card
[12:14] <BluesKaj> mabreaux, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats#head-74857744ddf74499c6447a19c7e94a2fcb382e0c
[12:14] <joakim> how do u get the panel up inn ubuntu xfce
[12:14] <joakim> ???
[12:15] <joakim> hallo
[12:16] <joakim> Hallo is any body her
[12:16] <BluesKaj> yup
[12:16] <joakim> do u now ubuntu xfce ?
[12:17] <h3sp4wn> !xubuntu
[12:17] <mabreaux> I do not see a location to obtain it from.  just a explanation of what is it.
[12:17] <ubotu> Xubuntu is Ubuntu with XFCE, for more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org  To install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[12:17] <nenwlinuxben> Hey I need some help with a command please
[12:17] <nenwlinuxben> I'm pretty new to this
[12:17] <BluesKaj> !xfce
[12:17] <nenwlinuxben> I just nened to know, is there a command to unmount a drive I mounted?
[12:17] <joakim> xfce Do u now that
[12:17] <TheGateKeeper> mabreaux: google for xubuntu
[12:18] <joakim> how do u get the panel in thats
[12:18] <nenwlinuxben> anyone?...
[12:18] <joakim> ??
[12:18] <BluesKaj> nenwlinuxben, just ask yer question
[12:18] <nenwlinuxben> I just nened to know, is there a command to unmount a drive I mounted?
[12:19] <joakim> how do u get the panel in Ubuntu XFCE ??????
[12:19] <TheGateKeeper> nenwlinuxben: umount http://www.ss64.com/bash/
[12:20] <BluesKaj> http://www.xfce.org/
[12:20] <Isoss> Hey guys, I am having a problem with my resolution! I can't fix my resolution to 1024x768 ... every time I changed it from system settings - >display it gives my a Hey guys, I am having a problem with my resolution! I can't fix my resolution to 1024x768 ... every time I changed it from system settings - >display it gives a messed up display! and when I restart it's back to 640x480
[12:22] <TheGateKeeper> Isoss: manually edit /etc/xorg.conf
[12:22] <kay> anyone knows how  i get gtkradiant to wrok on kubuntu???
[12:22] <TheGateKeeper> !fixres > Isoss
[12:22] <joakim> yes for the very mush help !!!!!! this suux
[12:22] <Isoss> that happened after when I turned my laptop off but something seemed to go wrong! the screen was shaking and giving my colors and never turned off, so I had to unplug the  the color
[12:22] <Isoss> sorry unplug the power
[12:24] <Isoss> TheGateKeeper: there is no such fine as /etc/xorg.conf
[12:26] <BluesKaj> Isoss, system settings/hardware/display admin mode/set resolution/apply
[12:26] <TheGateKeeper> Isoss: sorry /etc/X11/xorg.conf oops
[12:26] <kay> anyone knows how  i get gtkradiant to wrok on kubuntu???
[12:27] <LeeJunFan> kay: if it's not in the repos you'll likely have to install gtk devel libs and compile it.
[12:29] <rouzic> Hi all
[12:30] <rouzic> I have a problem with Ktorrent's download
[12:30] <Blacken> Question -- I have the ATI proprietary drivers installed, but they don't seem happy with Xorg despite it. I can't set resolution to native (1280x800). Any help?
[12:32] <rouzic> Since I updated to the version 2.0.2 of the repositories backports, the exhausts in Ktorrent do not increase of 10 Kb's
[12:33] <Blacken> Why would I not be able to increase my resolution past 1024x768, even with the mesa drivers?
[12:33] <BluesKaj> Blacken, fglrx drivers ?
[12:34] <flaccid> Blacken: pastebin xorg.conf
[12:35] <Isoss> TheGateKeeper: Thanks, editing xorg.conf worked!
[12:36] <Isoss> TheGateKeeper: but I was wondering, what has really happened when I encountered that problem when I turned it off?
[12:37] <TheGateKeeper> Isoss: don't know, but good to hear you fixed it :-)
[12:38] <Isoss> Thanks TheGateKeeper ...
[12:38] <TheGateKeeper> Isoss: np :-)
[12:39] <Isoss> I am also having a problem switching keybaord layout in blackbox .. anyone knows how I can do that?
[12:39] <Isoss> sorry this might not be the right spot! maybe I should ask in ubuntu channel
[12:41] <Isoss> guys, is it just me or acrually #ubuntu channel has been canceled or something?
[12:41] <TheGateKeeper> Isoss: got to go and sleep, but I would say the answer again is look in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:41] <Isoss> I am also having a problem switching keybaord layout in blackbox .. anyone knows how I can do that?
[12:41] <Isoss> I am also having a problem switching keybaord layout in blackbox .. anyone knows how I can do that?
[12:41] <TheGateKeeper> Isoss: no #ubuntu is very much up & running & VERY buisy
[12:41] <Isoss> sorry for repeating that
[12:41] <Isoss> my mistake
[12:42] <Isoss> I used /join #ubuntu but didn't work
[12:42] <TheGateKeeper> should do
[12:42] <TheGateKeeper> I can see it
[12:43] <Isoss> I tried it 10 times!
[12:43] <Isoss> I always use irc commands and I acctually used it to log in here
[12:43] <TheGateKeeper> Isoss: have another look in /etc/X11/xorg.conf for your keyboard problems
[12:43] <Isoss> ok, thanks
[12:43] <tobias___> democrazy tv allways crashes :(
[12:43] <TheGateKeeper> Isoss: you are on freenode?
[12:44] <dragonfire1> hello
[12:44] <TheGateKeeper> hiya dragonfire1
[12:45] <dragonfire1> Hi have to ask you a ?  Do you guy's voice us in here? When I haven't been getting voice I leave stay in area that gives me voice.
[12:46] <dragonfire1> I have been installing #buntu waiting for the cd for Kubuntu
[12:46] <dragonfire1> ubuntu
[12:47] <dragonfire1> I had no luck weeks ago downloading something meust have been wrong but with cd I'm good to go for some reason
[12:47] <dragonfire1> kubuntu how much ram needed to run properly
[12:48] <Isoss> I am also having a problem switching keybaord layout in blackbox .. anyone knows how I can do that?
[12:48] <cristian> ciao
[12:48] <Isoss> why is this repeating itself?
[12:48] <Isoss> oops, it's the paste! ... sorry again
[12:49] <Isoss> TheGateKeeper: Yes I am in freenode I am using a web based IRC : www.ircatwork.com
[12:54] <ricardouu> !es
[12:54] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[12:55] <BluesKaj> !hdr files
[12:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hdr files - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:01] <Hawkwind> Kr4t05: Did it work or fail ?
[01:01] <Kr4t05> Not done yet.
[01:04] <supertanker> please tell me grub error 15 doesn't mean Kubuntu wiped out my hard drive
[01:05] <en1gma> sup all...i got a couple problems (when i boot into dapper 6.06 i cant irc...i think it has to do with no-ident....is there an ez identd for kde i can dload?
[01:05] <supertanker> My laptop almost always reboots because of a CPU tempreture warning - ONLY WITH LINUX. Every time it does it before the installer gets to the grub-install stage. Any way to make the 70 C limit higher?
[01:05] <unix_infidel> supertanker: http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Restore_Grub
[01:05] <unix_infidel> supertanker: you're laptop is good all the way up to 100C
[01:06] <unix_infidel> something else is causing the problem
[01:06] <en1gma> i have to come to windows just to use irc
[01:06] <unix_infidel> en1gma: you're using xchat?
[01:06] <Telroth_Plushie|> en1gma, sudo apt-get install identd
[01:06] <en1gma> tried a few diff ones including xchat
[01:06] <Telroth_Plushie|> kvirc is the best ;)
[01:06] <Telroth_Plushie|> most features ;)
[01:06] <en1gma> is there a gui for "identd"
[01:07] <Telroth_Plushie|> not that i know of
[01:07] <en1gma> even in windows i with mirc i have to run an ident service
[01:07] <Telroth_Plushie|> kvirc has a mini-ident daemon built in
[01:07] <en1gma> ohhh really
[01:07] <Telroth_Plushie|> mirc has an ident service
[01:07] <en1gma> mirc ident serivce sucks
[01:07] <BluesKaj> supertanker, 70C is hot ...there's gotta be something else wrong
[01:07] <en1gma> i had to install a sepereate one
[01:07] <Telroth_Plushie|> mirc's is sufficient for irc servers that require it
[01:07] <en1gma> mirc isnt an ident "service"
[01:08] <Telroth_Plushie|> no, but it provides one.
[01:08] <en1gma> no it dont
[01:08] <supertanker> Um...that article...is for ubuntu
[01:08] <en1gma> i use it everyday and it dont work with this router
[01:08] <Telroth_Plushie|> i've used it before en1gma
[01:08] <Telroth_Plushie|> oh
[01:08] <en1gma> it is not a service
[01:08] <supertanker> remember, now the live Kubntu CD uses that installer that really pisses me off
[01:08] <Telroth_Plushie|> well are you forwarding the port?
[01:08] <Telroth_Plushie|> have to forward the port to the computer
[01:08] <supertanker> it even said "System reached critical tempreture (70C) shutting down..."
[01:08] <Telroth_Plushie|> or else it can't see the ident service
[01:08] <en1gma> i already have all that forwarded
[01:09] <en1gma> i have to have an ident service like the one i got
[01:09] <en1gma> mirc dont work for some reason
[01:09] <en1gma> anyhow i need it in linux windows isnt the prob :)
[01:09] <Telroth_Plushie|> it's sufficient for the networks i go to (efnet, freenode, dragon-fire, draconic)
[01:09] <supertanker> yeah, about that alternate CD, its a bit hard to get on dialup
[01:09] <en1gma> ill install identd next time see if that helps but i think i have to tell it what to respon with
[01:10] <Telroth_Plushie|> en1gma, sudo apt-get install ident
[01:10] <en1gma> yea but im sure it needs configured
[01:10] <Telroth_Plushie|> no
[01:10] <Dink> Can someone help me with.... http://xgl.pastebin.com/797051
[01:10] <en1gma> ohhh
[01:10] <en1gma> ok
[01:10] <Telroth_Plushie|> it shouls automatically respond with your username
[01:10] <Telroth_Plushie|> *should
[01:10] <en1gma> ok
[01:10] <Telroth_Plushie|> because that's the point of an ident server - determine who's currently logged in
[01:10] <en1gma> ohh one more thing (important
[01:11] <Telroth_Plushie|> mmm?
[01:11] <supertanker> my laptop temp right now is about 64
[01:11] <Telroth_Plushie|> 64C ?
[01:11] <Telroth_Plushie|> what's it sitting on?
[01:12] <supertanker> On carpet, but there is a 1/2 inch airspace below it (I have it on stands)
[01:12] <supertanker> my desktop is at 40
[01:12] <supertanker> as usual
[01:12] <en1gma> im following this guide here "https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto" and in his example he uses this command "debootstrap breezy /target" i want to use the amd64 6.10 how do i tell it to get that
[01:12] <Telroth_Plushie|> 64 is really high
[01:12] <supertanker> Okay, it dropped 7 degrees for some reason
[01:12] <en1gma> i dont want breezy
[01:12] <Telroth_Plushie|> type "top"
[01:12] <en1gma> what all can i use with debootstrap
[01:12] <supertanker> I set it on a carbonite board now
[01:13] <Telroth_Plushie|> en1gma, debootstrap --arch=i386 breezy /target i think
[01:13] <Telroth_Plushie|> err
[01:13] <en1gma> not i386
[01:13] <Telroth_Plushie|> change arch
[01:13] <Telroth_Plushie|> to amd64
[01:13] <supertanker> I think it may be related to the CDrom, because when I went farther with the install it skyrocketed to 68C
[01:13] <en1gma> what about dopper?
[01:13] <Telroth_Plushie|> and breezy to dapper or edgy depending on what you want
[01:13] <en1gma> is 6.10 edgy?
[01:13] <Telroth_Plushie|> no
[01:13] <h3sp4wn> if you want edgy you need to upgrade debootstrap first
[01:13] <en1gma> i want the latest
[01:14] <BluesKaj> yup 6.10 is edgy
[01:14] <h3sp4wn> (unless there is a new version in backports)
[01:14] <BluesKaj> 6.06 is dapper
[01:14] <en1gma> 6.10 edgy if its amd64 is what i want
[01:14] <Telroth_Plushie|> supertanker, type "top" and tell me what your load averages are
[01:14] <supertanker> okay
[01:14] <supertanker> let me see
[01:14] <en1gma> how do i update debootstrap
[01:14] <Telroth_Plushie|> sudo apt-get install debootstrap
[01:14] <supertanker> omg it just hit 78
[01:14] <BluesKaj> why amd 64 ...it won't support alot of hardware
[01:15] <en1gma> i think it will support my hardware :)
[01:15] <en1gma> i hope
[01:15] <supertanker> it says 1.52, 1.64, 1.02
[01:15] <Telroth_Plushie|> ahhh
[01:15] <BluesKaj> amd 64 not ready for primetime
[01:15] <en1gma> let me reboot to alternate
[01:15] <en1gma> brb
[01:15] <Telroth_Plushie|> something's muching your processor
[01:15] <h3sp4wn> en1gma: software raid is a waste of time (imho)
[01:15] <Telroth_Plushie|> big time
[01:15] <Telroth_Plushie|> what's on the top of the list?
[01:15] <supertanker> the temperature is still up at about 60 C
[01:15] <Telroth_Plushie|> what's the process using the most cpu ?
[01:15] <supertanker> ksysguard, me watching the tempreture
[01:16] <Telroth_Plushie|> what % cpu is it using ?
[01:16] <unix_infidel> hey guys, when i try to do "#" in vim it spits out "X#" when i use the keycombo shift+3
[01:16] <supertanker> about 9.0
[01:17] <supertanker> when I go forward in the installer, ubiquity natrually goes to the top
[01:17] <Telroth_Plushie|> supertanker, it should say CPU(s): xx.x%us <-- what's in the xx's ?
[01:17] <supertanker> ah
[01:17] <Telroth_Plushie|> supertanker, if you've got 1.00+ load averages, then you have something seriously eating your processor
[01:17] <supertanker> let me see....about 50% us, 13.6 system, and 0 ni
[01:17] <Telroth_Plushie|> see
[01:18] <Telroth_Plushie|> your processor is using ~60-70 % constantly
[01:18] <Telroth_Plushie|> that's why it's so hot
[01:18] <supertanker> top three are ksysguard, ubiquity, and Xorg
[01:18] <Telroth_Plushie|> average amount for each?
[01:18] <supertanker> about 10 % for sysguard, 8% for ubiquity, and 6% for xorg
[01:19] <sinpath> can any one give me the url on how to install mozilla firefox?
[01:19] <unix_infidel> anyone/
[01:19] <Telroth_Plushie|> sinpath, "sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox" <-- type into terminal
[01:19] <supertanker> woah, ksysguard just hit 50 for a second
[01:20] <sinpath> ty
[01:20] <Telroth_Plushie|> unix_infidel, read vim docs, i don't know much about it
[01:20] <Telroth_Plushie|> sinpath, stop using ksysguard and open a terminal
[01:20] <Telroth_Plushie|> use top
[01:20] <Telroth_Plushie|> it uses much less resources
[01:20] <supertanker> how do I monitor temperature using top
[01:20] <Telroth_Plushie|> you can't
[01:20] <Telroth_Plushie|> top is for cpu usage
[01:21] <supertanker> so how else do I monitor temperature
[01:21] <unix_infidel> supertanker: man acpi
[01:21] <Telroth_Plushie|> your problem currently is that your cpu is skyrocketing
[01:21] <Telroth_Plushie|> we need to stop using it so it can cool down ;)
[01:21] <Telroth_Plushie|> you can use it later
[01:21] <Telroth_Plushie|> but for right now top may be a bit more effective
[01:22] <sinpath> oh
[01:22] <supertanker> ah okay
[01:22] <supertanker> my CPU temp is 146.1 F
[01:22] <Telroth_Plushie|> which is extremely hot
[01:22] <supertanker> lets touch the heatsink and find out :)
[01:22] <Telroth_Plushie|> you have something or several things that are eating your processor
[01:22] <supertanker> just kidding
[01:23] <Telroth_Plushie|> what all do you have open atm?
[01:23] <Telroth_Plushie|> (apps, etc)
[01:23] <supertanker> ubiquity installer, two Konsole windows, one with top, one trying to get acpi to loop
[01:23] <Telroth_Plushie|> supertanker, what is ubiquity? i'm unfamiliar with this program name. is it the kubuntu installer ?
[01:24] <supertanker> yeah
[01:24] <Telroth_Plushie|> ok
[01:24] <Dink> anyway to install libqt3-mt-dev on edgy ??
[01:24] <sinpath> ok thanks telroth is there anything else i need to do ?
[01:24] <Telroth_Plushie|> what are you trying to do with acpi?
[01:24] <supertanker> yes, ubiquity is the stupid live CD installer
[01:25] <supertanker> temp is now 127.4 F
[01:25] <Telroth_Plushie|> sinpath, click start -> internet -> mozilla firefox
[01:25] <XVampireX> Dapper to Edgy: Do I get upstart during the upgrade or do I have to manually install it?
[01:25] <supertanker> my desktop never goes above 45 C
[01:25] <Telroth_Plushie|> in top
[01:25] <supertanker> 122.2 F
[01:25] <Telroth_Plushie|> is it still reporting ~60-70 cpu usage?
[01:26] <Telroth_Plushie|> if so, is the processes below matching that?
[01:26] <supertanker> about 10.0 if I don't do anything
[01:26] <Telroth_Plushie|> ok
[01:26] <supertanker> and its mosly ubiquity
[01:26] <supertanker> which is just sitting there
[01:26] <Telroth_Plushie|> don't do anything for a bit
[01:26] <Telroth_Plushie|> temp should drop
[01:26] <supertanker> briliant idea to use a python script for the main installer
[01:26] <steveire> I want to mount my edgy partition in dapper. Is there a script I can run again to find and mount all available drives?
[01:27] <burcu> hi,has edgy's ipw2200 drivers problem?
[01:27] <steveire> I think it was done automatically when I installed dapper
[01:27] <Telroth_Plushie|> steveire, edit your /etc/fstab file. i think there's a graphical editor in advanced system settings
[01:27] <sinpath> thanks man
[01:27] <supertanker> temperature is between 52-54 C constantly now
[01:27] <Telroth_Plushie|> you'll have to add it manually, but that's the easiest way to edit it
[01:27] <Telroth_Plushie|> :)
[01:27] <supertanker> you would think they would make the laptop fan a bit more effective
[01:27] <Telroth_Plushie|> load ~.3-.6 ?
[01:27] <supertanker> I have it on High Performance mode instead of battery mode in the BIOS too
[01:27] <supertanker> um...
[01:28] <supertanker> still 8.3 for ubiquity
[01:28] <supertanker> I think that is as low as it will go
[01:28] <Telroth_Plushie|> (load averages)
[01:28] <supertanker> um
[01:28] <Telroth_Plushie|> laptop fans are horrible
[01:28] <supertanker> 0.2, 0.6, 0.95
[01:28] <Telroth_Plushie|> ok
[01:28] <supertanker> you know, the reason my dad gave this too me was because it was overheating...
[01:28] <Telroth_Plushie|> .2 to .6 is ok, .6 is a bit hight
[01:28] <Telroth_Plushie|> *high
[01:28] <supertanker> what are the three numbers for?
[01:29] <supertanker> 0.11, 0.59, 0.90
[01:29] <Telroth_Plushie|> they are different averages over time
[01:29] <Telroth_Plushie|> first is like 10 seconds
[01:29] <Telroth_Plushie|> or 2 seconds
[01:29] <Telroth_Plushie|> second is like 1 minute
[01:29] <supertanker> ah
[01:29] <Telroth_Plushie|> and third is 10 min or 5 min or somthing
[01:29] <Telroth_Plushie|> i mean, mine gets around 1.00 sometimes
[01:29] <supertanker> why the heck is ubuquity taking up so much CPU? It's just SITTING there. Maybe a python script takes up a lot of power looping or something
[01:29] <Telroth_Plushie|> but that's because i have a single app running that i know is doing that
[01:30] <Telroth_Plushie|> supertanker, what do you mean sitting there?
[01:30] <Telroth_Plushie|> it's not installing?
[01:30] <XVampireX> Dapper to Edgy: Do I get upstart during the upgrade or do I have to manually install it?
[01:30] <supertanker> I have ubiquity just sitting there, before I commit the changes
[01:30] <Meta[CNTDWN] > bye all
[01:30] <supertanker> should I click the final install button?
[01:30] <Telroth_Plushie|> supertanker, in that case, i'd install and get it over with :P
[01:30] <en1gma> ok who told me about kvirc ? :)
[01:30] <Telroth_Plushie|> i did
[01:30] <Telroth_Plushie|> kvirc ftw
[01:31] <en1gma> it works but how do i get rid of that big ass window on the left hand side "windows list"
[01:31] <supertanker> holy
[01:31] <supertanker> load just went to 2.32
[01:31] <Telroth_Plushie|> en1gma, how do you plan to change channels ?
[01:31] <supertanker> 66 C temperature
[01:31] <Telroth_Plushie|> (that window list is akin to mirc's switch bar)
[01:31] <Telroth_Plushie|> supertanker, is the fan even running ?
[01:31] <supertanker> I can actually feel the fan get hotter
[01:31] <supertanker> yes
[01:31] <XVampireX> Dapper to Edgy: Do I get upstart during the upgrade or do I have to manually install it?
[01:31] <en1gma> ok i should at least be able to adjust the size somehow
[01:31] <en1gma> that thing is huge
[01:31] <supertanker> full blast. As usual
[01:32] <en1gma> 1/3 of my screen
[01:32] <Telroth_Plushie|> en1gma,
[01:32] <en1gma> sup
[01:32] <Telroth_Plushie|> hover your cursor over the bar between it and the channel winow
[01:32] <Telroth_Plushie|> *window
[01:32] <Telroth_Plushie|> it'll turn into a double arror
[01:32] <supertanker> 69 C
[01:32] <Telroth_Plushie|> lift click and hold
[01:32] <en1gma> now i tried to move that before and it wouldnt
[01:32] <Telroth_Plushie|> then drag to desired side
[01:32] <Telroth_Plushie|> *size
[01:32] <Telroth_Plushie|> it moves
[01:32] <Telroth_Plushie|> i just tried it
[01:32] <en1gma> yea it moves but i tried it b4 i asked how to do it and it wouldnt
[01:33] <supertanker> maybe if I let it run on battery power, it won't heat charging or anything
[01:33] <supertanker> hey, it went down 1 C when I unplugged it :)
[01:33] <en1gma> ok onto making sure i do the right version for that deboot
[01:33] <en1gma> i have to update it to get edgy?
[01:33] <Telroth_Plushie|> supertanker, you should have it checked out if it's heating up that fast
[01:33] <Telroth_Plushie|> i'll bbl guys
[01:34] <supertanker> went down another C
[01:34] <supertanker> k
[01:34] <supertanker> It's an ancient Toshiba
[01:34] <supertanker> so I don't know if I can do that
[01:34] <supertanker> i'll probabbly just get a new one if I need to
[01:34] <Telroth_Plushie|> i'd recommend that
[01:34] <Telroth_Plushie|> all the exploding batteries lately would have me on edge :P
[01:35] <supertanker> like one faster than 1 ghz
[01:35] <Telroth_Plushie|> wait for macbook pros to have intel core duo
[01:35] <Telroth_Plushie|> then install mac os x and windows and linux on it
[01:35] <Telroth_Plushie|> ;)
[01:35] <supertanker> lol
[01:35] <Kr4t05> Tri-Boot!
[01:35] <supertanker> I'd rather have AMD x2
[01:35] <Telroth_Plushie|> lol
[01:35] <Kr4t05> :D~
[01:35] <Telroth_Plushie|> you'll be close to my system then
[01:35] <supertanker> I could probably get it to quadrople boot
[01:36] <Kr4t05> That's it, I'm building a Triforce themed PC. :)
[01:36] <Telroth_Plushie|> dell demension 4600, windows, suse 9.3, kubuntu 6.01 edgy knot 3, mac os x 10.4.3, mac os x 10.4.5
[01:36] <Telroth_Plushie|> quintboot!
[01:36] <Telroth_Plushie|> quint = 5 ;)
[01:36] <Kr4t05> Windows XP, Mac OS X Leopard and Edgy. :)
[01:36] <Telroth_Plushie|> what hardware ?
[01:36] <Kr4t05> That would be hawt.
[01:37] <Telroth_Plushie|> oh
[01:37] <Kr4t05> Psh, my current hardware is a joke.
[01:37] <Telroth_Plushie|> see, i have edgy, windows, and tiger atm
[01:37] <h3sp4wn> no interesting ones there - plan9 / debian/kfreebsd / qnx etc
[01:38] <nnn0> :)
[01:39] <Kr4t05> Intel Celeron D 2.26GHz, Kingston DDR400 2x512MB Dual Channel, XFX nVidia Geforce 6200 256MB, Biostar P4VMA-M main board, and two feebie disk drives totaling ~50GB
[01:39] <supertanker> OMG my laptop just hit 78 C
[01:39] <Kr4t05> Not that great.
[01:39] <supertanker> no
[01:39] <Telroth_Plushie|> about my setup
[01:39] <Dink> Anyone able to help... im trying to get libqt3-mt-dev on edgy but its giving me dependancies issues
[01:40] <Kr4t05> I want to upgrade to a 3GHz P4 and a 7600
[01:40] <Telroth_Plushie|> *about what my setup is
[01:40] <THY733T> hi,is there a problem with edgy's ipw2200 drivers?
[01:40] <Kr4t05> I'll upgrade this box for college, and leave my "power system
[01:41] <Kr4t05> " at home to ssh into on lonely nights. :P
[01:41] <stisev> hi all
[01:41] <stisev> anyone know if there's a Kubuntu 6.10 LIVE cd out there?
[01:41] <Telroth_Plushie|> 2.66ghz p4, 768mb ddr ram, 3 drives for 410gb, nv gf 5200fx
[01:41] <Telroth_Plushie|> stisev, yes, and a live dvd
[01:41] <stisev> Telroth_Plushie|,
[01:41] <Hawkwind> Kr4t05: Kernel build still running ?
[01:41] <Kr4t05> Hawkwind: Yeah.
[01:41] <Telroth_Plushie|> stisev, kubuntu.com -> click downloads
[01:41] <stisev> Telroth_Plushie|, Can you provide a link?  I can't seem to find it via Google :(
[01:42] <Kr4t05> Telroth_Plushie|: I can't seem to get my board to detect a third drive, or else I'd add another 15GB I have lying around.
[01:42] <Telroth_Plushie|> http://kubuntu.org/download.php
[01:42] <Telroth_Plushie|> live dvds are at the bottom
[01:43] <stisev> Telroth_Plushie|, the links @ the bottom don't work
[01:43] <stisev> Telroth_Plushie|, all of them are dead
[01:44] <Kr4t05> Does anyone watch a lot of anime?
[01:44] <supertanker> damnit, laptop overheated again
[01:44] <stisev> Kr4t05, a little yes
[01:44] <stisev> The torrent is the only one that works, but it's godawful slow
[01:44] <Kr4t05> stisev: ever hear of a series called Chobits?
[01:45] <stisev> Yes
[01:45] <stisev> I've watched the whole series
[01:45] <stisev> I'd give it a 5-6/10
[01:45] <stisev> There's a lot better Anime out there
[01:45] <stisev> Try these:
[01:45] <Kr4t05> I want to build a Sumomo-themed handheld, now. :P
[01:45] <LeeJunFan> There's a lot better to watch than anime, like '24' ! now that's something to watch.
[01:45] <stisev> 1) Trigun 2) Full Metal Alchemist 3) PRince of Tennis 4) Naruto 5) Bleach 6) One Piece
[01:45] <Dr_willis> Chobits :) that was an inetresting series
[01:46] <LeeJunFan> Batman wears Jack Bauer pajamas.
[01:46] <Kr4t05> stisev: I love Naruto, not to wild about One Piece, as for the others, I've never had the opportunity.
[01:46] <Kr4t05> I'll watch whatever I can get a hold of.
[01:46] <Dr_willis> One Piece - is just... odd. :P and amuseing.. for the Younger Crowd
[01:46] <stisev> Kr4t05, WHAT?
[01:47] <stisev> One piece rules!
[01:47] <nnn0> Jack Bauer learned everything he can from Chuck Norris
[01:47] <Kr4t05> I regularly borrow Galaxy Angel from a friend.
[01:47] <stisev> Kr4t05: Get Bleach... NOW
[01:47] <stisev> Bleach is one of the top series running in Japan right now
[01:47] <LeeJunFan> nnn0: Chuck Norris counted to inifinity - twice!
[01:47] <nnn0> :)
[01:47] <stisev> I would definitely get bleach
[01:47] <Dr_willis> Heh - I got 3 seasons of Galazy ANgel - that could of been SUCH a better series..
[01:47] <stisev> http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/kubuntu/releases/6.06.1/release.1/kubuntu-6.06.1-dvd-i386.iso
[01:47] <stisev> Is that a Kubuntu Live CD?
[01:47] <Kr4t05> stisev: lol, ok.
[01:47] <stisev> I can't tell =\
[01:47] <Kr4t05> Dr_willis: It's scary...
[01:48] <Kr4t05> I'm literally worried about my sanity with that show.
[01:48] <h3sp4wn> stisev: live cd and the whole of main
[01:48] <h3sp4wn> stisev: and the install cd
[01:48] <Dr_willis> Kr4t05,  yea - they had such a neat idea for a series. and neat characters... but then its like they dumb it down for little kids.
[01:48] <LeeJunFan> nnn0: of course Chuck Norris prays to Bruce Lee. :)
[01:48] <Kr4t05> Dr_willis: I like the manga better
[01:48] <Kr4t05> Dr_willis: Have you ever seen the GA manga?
[01:48] <Dr_willis> Kr4t05,  never seen it. :)
[01:48] <Dr_willis> I dont get into Manga.
[01:48] <Kr4t05> It is ALOT better than the series.
[01:49] <Kr4t05> Eh, I'm not so much, either.
[01:49] <Dr_willis> perhaps some day - i can get a Tablet PC. so i can read all these comic book files at work.
[01:49] <stisev> h3sp4wn, thanks
[01:49] <stisev> Guys, I'm having a little problem
[01:49] <stisev> but it's not directly linux-related
[01:49] <Kr4t05> stisev: No big. :)
[01:49] <stisev> I'm doing a triple boot system and Grub began to give me Error 22
[01:49] <Dr_willis> Girl Troubles stisev ? we can handle it..
[01:49] <supertanker> is taking apart a toshiba laptop a bad idea?
[01:49] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:49] <stisev> I restored the MBR via XP Repair Console and am now trying to get GRUB back
[01:49] <Dr_willis> supertanker,  depends on how carefull you are.
[01:50] <LeeJunFan> stisev: you need to boot into rescue mode from a CD and replace grub
[01:50] <LeeJunFan> !mbr
[01:50] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[01:50] <nnn0> eheh
[01:50] <Kr4t05> stisev: menu.list is referencing an install that doesn't exist.
[01:50] <Kr4t05> I think...
[01:50] <supertanker> i'm being careful
[01:50] <LeeJunFan> stisev: see what ubotu says above about grub.
[01:50] <stisev> Kr4t05, I have a backup copy of the menu.list file on my computer
[01:51] <stisev> I used SPFDisk (special FDisk) to set the windows partition as active so I can talk to you guys
[01:51] <LeeJunFan> supertanker: well, taking apart any laptop is tedious, but generally as long as you are fiarly mechanically inclined it won't be too bad. Just annoying.
[01:51] <LeeJunFan> s/fiarly/fairly/
[01:51] <Dr_willis> and they can be real puzzle box's
[01:52] <stisev> Is there any way to copy paste 10-12 lines without being kicked from here
[01:52] <stisev> heh
[01:52] <Dr_willis> try #paste
[01:52] <Dr_willis> :P
[01:52] <LeeJunFan> !pastebin
[01:52] <Telroth_Plushie|> stisev, pastebin.com ;)
[01:52] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[01:52] <stisev> sweet
[01:52] <stisev> going to pastebin now
[01:52] <nnn0> use a pastebin !
[01:53] <stisev> Trying it now.  Site is a little slow
[01:53] <nnn0> k :)
[01:53] <stisev> I have to say I'm very impressed by the level of support here =)
[01:54] <nnn0> :)
[01:54] <LeeJunFan> stisev: yeah, pastebins everywhere are slow. :(
[01:54] <supertanker> did toshiba make the 1805 annoying to take apart on purpose?
[01:54] <nnn0> of course
[01:54] <LeeJunFan> yeah, they all do.
[01:55] <stisev> I mean, it's like realllly slow
[01:55] <LeeJunFan> Although I'd have to say of all the brands I've had to take apart I think toshiba was the worst.
[01:55] <BluesKaj> try pastebin in your country code ..it exists in other domains as well as .org and .com ...canada uses .ca which is quite fast
[01:55] <LeeJunFan> yeah, that could be it - pastebin loaded quick for me.
[01:56] <supertanker> whaaat the hell? It looks like there is RUST inside my laptop?
[01:56] <Torched> might just be cheetoh dust
[01:56] <stisev> OK
[01:56] <stisev> title		Microsoft Windows XP Professional
[01:56] <stisev> root		(hd0,1)
[01:56] <stisev> savedefault
[01:56] <stisev> makeactive
[01:56] <stisev> chainloader	+1
[01:56] <stisev> title Mac OS X x86 10.4.1
[01:56] <stisev> rootnoverify (hd0,0)
[01:56] <stisev> makeactive
[01:56] <stisev> chainloader +1
[01:56] <h3sp4wn> !paste
[01:56] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[01:56] <stisev> omfg
[01:56] <stisev> lol
[01:56] <nnn0> ups
[01:56] <stisev> sorry guys! I thought I COPIED the damn link from my browseer
[01:56] <stisev> http://pastebin.ca/186469
[01:56] <Torched> i forgive you
[01:57] <stisev> That's the code I have inside of my menu.list file (GRUB)
[01:57] <supertanker> found my laptop fan
[01:57] <LeeJunFan> doh, I don't have one - I hate everyone!
[01:57] <supertanker> now lets see if I can get it out without killing myself
[01:57] <Torched> ...is the laptop on?
[01:57] <nnn0> :D
[01:57] <stisev> I'm downloading the live DVD now.  1MB/sec and it's still 1 hr left lol
[01:58] <supertanker> no
[01:58] <supertanker> its not
[01:58] <en1gma> what is the command to see what 'debootstrap' base systems are? ex: "debootstrap breezy /target" in the guide but i have an amd64 x2 and want the latest avail which is edgy 6.10
[01:58] <supertanker> but the cover is still very warm to the touch, 17 mins later
[01:59] <stisev> brb
[01:59] <Torched> interesting
[01:59] <LeeJunFan> en1gma: I think you need to start out by installing edgy's version of debootstrap.
[01:59] <Torched> does the fan even work?
[01:59] <LeeJunFan> en1gma: the breezy one doesn't have the list for edgy's files.
[01:59] <LeeJunFan> nor does the dapper one.
[02:00] <en1gma> well im using the dapper 6.06 dvd right now
[02:00] <en1gma> ohh
[02:00] <supertanker> should I have waited for it to cool before taking the heatsink off? Because a lot of thermal sealent came with it, still part liquid
[02:00] <en1gma> crap i bet i need the 6.10 install cd
[02:00] <en1gma> dang it
[02:01] <supertanker> that gives me bad memories, especially since I burnt out my first computer (with a similar exposed processor) by bumping the heatsink while it was still warm, breaking off the chip
[02:01] <en1gma> gonna reboot back to windows
[02:01] <en1gma> bbiam
[02:01] <LeeJunFan> en1gma: yeah, I use debootstrap to install an edgy NFS partition for a thick client setup from a running dapper system, I had to install edgy's debootstrap to debootstrap edgy.
[02:01] <LeeJunFan> owell.
[02:02] <sinpath> ok dose any one know the url for installing the java to mozillafire-fox so i can play runescape?
[02:03] <LeeJunFan> !java
[02:03] <ubotu> To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[02:04] <JFreakCapo> hi, how test 3d acceleration ?
[02:04] <Dr_willis> run a game
[02:04] <LeeJunFan> JFreakCapo: glxgears -printfps
[02:04] <Dr_willis> ;)
[02:04] <supertanker> thats odd
[02:04] <sinpath> ty guys
[02:04] <supertanker> there is no reason it should be overheating
[02:05] <supertanker> barely any dust in the fan or heatsink
[02:05] <LeeJunFan> JFreakCapo: glxinfo should tell you direct rendering yes
[02:05] <LeeJunFan> supertanker: are you sure the fan is spinning freely when it's on?
[02:05] <LeeJunFan> supertanker: if the bearings in the fan are shot it may spin slow or not at all.
[02:05] <JFreakCapo> what means: 626 frames in 5.0 seconds = 125.193 FPS
[02:06] <JFreakCapo> is good, some good, bad ??
[02:06] <Dr_willis> means it sucks
[02:06] <Dr_willis> :P
[02:06] <LeeJunFan> JFreakCapo: that means no - it's not working.
[02:06] <Dr_willis> what video card ya got?
[02:06] <LeeJunFan> JFreakCapo: I do about 5000+
[02:06] <LeeJunFan> fps that is.
[02:06] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: ping
[02:06] <Dr_willis> 64266 frames in 5.0 seconds = 12853.022 FPS
[02:06] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: Pong
[02:06] <JFreakCapo> it is an Ati Mobility radeon X300
[02:06] <Dr_willis> Pongo
[02:07] <Dr_willis> well thats not much of a video card to begin with
[02:07] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: cool your here. did you set up your repo for edgy yet?
[02:07] <Dr_willis> You did install the ati drivers?
[02:07] <Dr_willis> !ati
[02:07] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:07] <LeeJunFan> Dr_willis: what the h!@# gfx card you have?
[02:07] <JFreakCapo> yes i recently install the drivers
[02:07] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: No not yet since I'm only running Edgy in vmware at the moment
[02:07] <LeeJunFan> Dr_willis: or did you resize the window to 50x50 pixels?
[02:07] <JFreakCapo> that's why a want test it
[02:07] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: Got someone asking for Edgy packages already ?
[02:07] <cpk2> whats the command to find out your kernel version?
[02:07] <Dr_willis> LeeJunFan,  nvidia 6800BFG i think
[02:07] <Hawkwind> cpk2: uname -a
[02:08] <Dr_willis> Its not even that new..
[02:08] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: me!!! i ran into depends issues with the dapper ones yesterday
[02:08] <supertanker> LeeJunFan yeah the fan spins freely. And loudly. Very loudly.
[02:08] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: Really ??  I've been using the dapper version on Edgy for a few weeks without issues
[02:08] <JFreakCapo> Dr_willis: i follow all the instructions is possible to make my card works better ?
[02:08] <Dr_willis> JFreakCapo,  proberly not much luck in that.. You got a rather low end card My laptop has a lower end card then that..
[02:08] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: it might have just been yesterday but i figured id ask if you ran repo for edgy before trying again
[02:09] <Dr_willis> let me see what its glxgears reads..
[02:09] <JFreakCapo> Dr_willis: thks
[02:09] <Kr4t05> Blah... This is taking forever...
[02:09] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: Not yet for Edgy.  Will hopefully have it done within the next 2 weeks at the latest I hope
[02:09] <cpk2> do i wan to use the restricted module that uname -a prints out or just the plain 386 one for installing the nvidia drivers?
[02:09] <JFreakCapo> Dr_willis: my card is 128 Mb, is it enough ?
[02:09] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: ok ty
[02:09] <cpk2> want*
[02:09] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: No problem.  I'll let you know when it's available
[02:10] <gnomefreak> ok ty Hawkwind  ;)
[02:10] <supertanker> it looks like most of the thermal putty slowly flowed off the core chip, leaving less to transfer heat
[02:11] <Dr_willis> JFreakCapo,  you sure its not USING 128mb of the system memory?
[02:11] <Dr_willis> JFreakCapo,  memory is not that big a item for the glxgears test
[02:11] <JFreakCapo> no, shure, i pay for that card in my laptop
[02:11] <LeeJunFan> supertanker: that was lame of toshiba to use putty/gell in the first place.
[02:12] <LeeJunFan> supertanker: that stuff evaporates.
[02:12] <Kr4t05> supertanker: Get some AS5.
[02:12] <LeeJunFan> yep, use thermal transfer pad/tape.
[02:12] <supertanker> some what?
[02:12] <Kr4t05> Arctic silver
[02:12] <Kr4t05> I need to find a really short IDE cable.
[02:12] <Dr_willis> i get 269 fps on mine
[02:13] <Kr4t05> I mean really short.
[02:13] <supertanker> I get 9573 FPS on mine
[02:13] <Dr_willis> so you really SHOULD be getting a little better
[02:13] <Dr_willis> thats on a X200M video card
[02:13] <cpk2> how do you get it to print fps?
[02:15] <XVampireX> Hi
[02:15] <XVampireX> I'm having a HUGE problem
[02:15] <bjb79> cpk2: glxgears -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark
[02:15] <XVampireX> I'm going to post it here, it's not too much but I hope it's okey, too...
[02:15] <XVampireX> Removing spring-basedata ...
[02:15] <XVampireX> /var/lib/dpkg/info/spring-basedata.postrm: line 23: spring-modupdate: command not found
[02:16] <XVampireX> dpkg: error processing spring-basedata (--remove):
[02:16] <XVampireX>  subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 127
[02:16] <XVampireX> Errors were encountered while processing:
[02:16] <XVampireX>  spring-basedata
[02:16] <XVampireX> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[02:16] <XVampireX> What should I do?
[02:16] <LeeJunFan> not paste more than 3 lines first. :p
[02:16] <XVampireX> ...
[02:17] <LeeJunFan> XVampireX: gimme a sec to locate that.
[02:17] <XVampireX> ok
[02:17] <LeeJunFan> try installing it again? then remove?
[02:18] <cpk2> bjb79: i already knew that, big numbers make everyone feel good though =P
[02:18] <XVampireX> LeeJunFan: Thanks, I hope this works
[02:18] <bjb79> cpk2: you asked =P I'm somewhat ashamed of my fps, but eh, oh well.
[02:19] <LeeJunFan> XVampireX: you may have to use something like apt-get install --reinstall , or dpkg with some --force
[02:19] <XVampireX> Nah, it installs it fine
[02:20] <LeeJunFan> I have a feeling it's an error in the post script package itself though.
[02:20] <Kr4t05> Jesus, 200 frogskins for a 6GM microDrive?
[02:20] <Kr4t05> GB*
[02:20] <LeeJunFan> GM would be something!
[02:20] <LeeJunFan> :)
[02:21] <Kr4t05> What would GM be?
[02:21] <XVampireX> Game Master
[02:21] <LeeJunFan> Giga Meg
[02:21] <Kr4t05> lol
[02:21] <cpk2> !nvidia
[02:21] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:25] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: here i got something for you
[02:25] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: Ahh, you didn't have to get the $1 million I requested :P
[02:25] <gnomefreak> ;)
[02:26] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: this is gonna be more fun for you :)
[02:26] <supertanker> Wow, laptop harddrives are tiny
[02:26] <supertanker> physically
[02:26] <Kr4t05> 2.5in
[02:26] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: Wow, this must be something really nice then :)
[02:26] <gnomefreak> oh yeah
[02:27] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: im sending the errros to pastebin for you and its taking tis sweet friggin time
[02:27] <Kr4t05> Hrm...
[02:27] <Kr4t05> I need to find a cheap source for 5" touchscreens.
[02:28] <ZEN2_> where r u
[02:28] <Kr4t05> Me?
[02:28] <ZEN2_> yah
[02:28] <Kr4t05> USA, East Coast.
[02:28] <LeeJunFan> Kr4t05: ATM's? Just a pickup truck and a chain.
[02:28] <ZEN2_> hmmm
[02:28] <Kr4t05> Le
[02:28] <Kr4t05> LeeJunFan: Hey, you just made me remember something!
[02:28] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: If need be, you can use http://pastebin.ulteo.us  which should be super quick
[02:29] <gnomefreak> i got mine open after trying 2 others
[02:29] <Kr4t05> LeeJunFan: My brother has some connections to a recycle place that regularly gets de-comissioned pumps. He dumped a 9.1GB SCSI drive on my lap a few weeks ago.
[02:29] <ZEN2_> if you were in australia i would supply myself but since your not ill have to let it pass
[02:29] <Kr4t05> I need to convince him to take me for a ride to this place.
[02:30] <supertanker> is it a stupid idea to power on my toshiba before I put the top panels and keyboard fully back on?
[02:30] <supertanker> lets find out
[02:30] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: http://pastebin.ulteo.us/127
[02:30] <Kr4t05> supertanker: er...
[02:30] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: holy crap thats fast
[02:30] <LeeJunFan> supertanker: some machines have odd grounding that may not be right if it's not fully re-assembled, but usually it won't hurt.
[02:31] <LeeJunFan> supertanker: unless you drop something inside the exposed innards.
[02:31] <supertanker> the fan is running smother after I cleaned it
[02:32] <supertanker> feels a bit cooler too
[02:32] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: Thanks  I'll look into it and see what's going on and hopefully I'll have an Edgy repo up soon for everyone
[02:32] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: k cool just letting you know before others find out :)
[02:33] <supertanker> lets touch the fan when it is spinning and see what happens
[02:33] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: Greatly appreciated
[02:33] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: I might put up a note on the site later stating that the repo shouldn't really be used on Edgy for those that *might* actually read :)
[02:33] <cpk2> is there any way to verify i installed my nvidia drivers correctly?
[02:33] <gnomefreak> ok cool
[02:33] <Dr_willis> cpk2,  restart X and see if ya see the nvidia logo
[02:34] <Hawkwind> cpk2: glxinfo | grep render   will tell you
[02:34] <Hawkwind> cpk2: Or even nvidia-settings IIRC
[02:34] <Hawkwind> Dr_willis: That doesn't always work because not everyone will see the Nvidia logo
[02:34] <cpk2> yeah i dont think i saw the logo =\
[02:34] <Hawkwind> Dr_willis: I haven't seen it in 2+ years now, and I run Nvidia with twinview
[02:35] <cpk2> i didnt put the option not to see it in either
[02:35] <supertanker> Are there openGl drivers for the Trident CyberBlade XP series?
[02:35] <Hawkwind> cpk2: So try glxinfo | grep render  or look at nvidia-settings
[02:35] <cpk2> so I am assuming if it says i have direct rendering and lists my card in opengl renderer string I am good to go?
[02:36] <Hawkwind> cpk2: That would be correct
[02:36] <cpk2> Hawkwind: great thanks =)
[02:36] <supertanker> 58 C is still fairly abnormal, right?
[02:36] <Dr_willis> Hawkwind,  it may be flashing on so fast you dont see it.
[02:36] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:36] <cpk2> now i just need to add in modelines...
[02:36] <Dr_willis> Hawkwind,  with a CRT i dont see it.. with a LCD i do
[02:37] <supertanker> good, it is holding steady at about 55
[02:37] <supertanker> either it likes running without the top cover, or I did something else good for the fan
[02:38] <LeeJunFan> supertanker: did you move it from where it was sitting?
[02:38] <supertanker> nope
[02:40] <LeeJunFan> supertanker: just wondering if maybe it was on something soft before, like some type of fabric. That's not good becaues the fans on the bottom don't get the airflow they need.
[02:40] <supertanker> it wasn't on the bottom
[02:40] <supertanker> i think it comes from the back/side
[02:40] <supertanker> uh oh
[02:40] <LeeJunFan> supertanker: ah, mine are on bottom and backside. The fans are on bottom, the air intakes are on the back and side.
[02:41] <supertanker> the temperature shot up again, after I re-affixed the keyboard on the top
[02:41] <supertanker> the fan outputs on the side, dunno where it takes in the air,
[02:42] <Kr4t05> Hawkwind: Shoot me...
[02:42] <josh_> whats up people
[02:42] <supertanker> josh_ nobody here but us chickens
[02:42] <Kr4t05> Hawkwind: I was about 95% through with that compile, when I kicked my wall socket.. (On accident.)
[02:42] <supertanker> lol
[02:42] <cpk2> ouch
[02:42] <josh_> i was going to ask a question... but between bringing up irssi and logging in i forgot what that question was....
[02:43] <josh_> ok... what was that question.... think josh think...
[02:43] <josh_> ahh
[02:43] <josh_> nevermind
[02:43] <josh_> answered that question
[02:43] <josh_> thanks guys lol
[02:43] <Kr4t05> Looks like I'll be up until 1AM tonight.
[02:44] <josh_> why can't windows be as easy as linux?!
[02:44] <Hawkwind> Kr4t05: Heh
[02:44] <LeeJunFan> josh_: because it hides what it's doing behind closed source, so you never understand what it's doing between your mouse clicks and whatever caused it to crash.
[02:44] <LeeJunFan> :p
[02:45] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: Have you tried installing those said deps manually, even though it should pull them in as they are in the SoS rep ?
[02:45] <h3sp4wn> Kr4t05: 1:45am here
[02:45] <josh_> lol
[02:45] <supertanker> I think one of the reasons that the toshiba gets so hit
[02:45] <supertanker> hot*
[02:45] <supertanker> the air intake is right UNDER the CDROM drive!
[02:45] <LeeJunFan> supertanker: if you aren't using the CD drive at the time it should be hot though.
[02:45] <LeeJunFan> shouldn't
[02:45] <supertanker> "If i'm not using the CD Drive at the time"
[02:45] <josh_> i have to work with people that think windows is "bloody marvelous" all day... they tell me it works great... i tell them... yeah sometimes it does that
[02:46] <supertanker> did you happen to read what I was doing in the first place?
[02:46] <LeeJunFan> supertanker: something is physically wrong though, even if you are compiling a kernel it shouldn't overheat.
[02:46] <LeeJunFan> supertanker: no.
[02:46] <josh_> no... why would we supertanker? lol you aint no body ;P
[02:46] <supertanker> I was installing Kubuntu from the live cd
[02:46] <bobbyz> hey, I'm running into an odd problem migrating from gentoo to kubuntu.  I've got a dwl-650 rev.p wireless b card that in the past I've successfully used the hostap_cs module to handle.  However, I'm running into problems getting it working on kubuntu.  I was using a 2.6.15 kernel before and am now using kubuntu's 2.6.15 kernel.  The weird is that now when I modprobe hostap_cs on kubuntu, nothing is created in /proc/net/hostap (which should b
[02:46] <bobbyz> c to load the card's firmware)
[02:47] <LeeJunFan> supertanker: pick that sucker up, put the air intake on your mouth and blow in it like a prison harmonica.
[02:47] <Kr4t05> h3sp4wn: What version is your pre-made kernel?
[02:47] <bobbyz> Is there something that could be blocking the hostap module from binding to the card?  I don't have much experience with pcmcia, especially pcmciautils
[02:47] <supertanker> lol
[02:47] <supertanker> I tried that, sadly
[02:47] <LeeJunFan> supertanker: maybe the air intake has obstruction?
[02:47] <LeeJunFan> oh.
[02:47] <josh_> or it could be they just had a design flaw....
[02:47] <supertanker> checked that. There is no main air intake, it appears to come from several different areas
[02:47] <h3sp4wn> Kr4t05: No longer available - but was 2.6.16 (with rt patches)
[02:47] <LeeJunFan> bobbyz: yeah, you have to edit /etc/pcmcia/config.opts or some such file.
[02:48] <bobbyz> LeeJunFan: ahh ok, I'll check that out
[02:48] <LeeJunFan> bobbyz: it has manufacturer id's and the modules they are supposed to use along with them.
[02:48] <supertanker> definite design flaw
[02:48] <Kr4t05> Ok, so, I would have been taking a step back to make a step forward. :/
[02:48] <supertanker> it worked 20 F cooler when I had the keyboard off
[02:48] <bobbyz> LeeJunFan: thanks
[02:48] <h3sp4wn> Kr4t05: What do you need to do ?
[02:48] <LeeJunFan> bobbyz: it's just /etc/pcmcia/config
[02:48] <Kr4t05> I want a nice new kernel with rt patches.
[02:49] <Kr4t05> Wait...
[02:49] <h3sp4wn> Kr4t05: Just build 2.6.18 rt4
[02:49] <josh_> supertanker: just take a thumbtack and put a bunch of holes in the keyboard between the keys :P
[02:49] <Kr4t05> I think the compile picked where where it left off...
[02:49] <h3sp4wn> Kr4t05: Just build 2.6.18 rt3 (sorry)
[02:49] <supertanker> lol
[02:49] <supertanker> 66 is still quite high, but it hopefully will not go any higher. Its running fine for now anyways
[02:49] <josh_> Kr4t05: well then you get to go to bed in 20 minutes
[02:49] <LeeJunFan> bobbyz: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25264/
[02:49] <josh_> lol
[02:50] <LeeJunFan> bobbyz: there's mine which I've edited to have my card bound to hostap_cs
[02:50] <supertanker> just out of curiosity, WHY does the live CD installer put EVERYTHING in the virtual group?
[02:51] <LeeJunFan> bobbyz: you can get the manfid and other info for your card with cardctl ident 0 or whatever slot your card is in - maybe 1.
[02:52] <bobbyz> LeeJunFan: thanks a ton
[02:52] <josh_> supertanker: cuz its making a vrtual drive till its installed...?
[02:53] <supertanker> virtual package group
[02:53] <supertanker> and it installs direct to the HD
[02:53] <josh_> lol cuz its a fake package :P
[02:54] <josh_> its actually a very complicated vrius... it lets you interact with millions of free programs and gives you the ability to take of lesser machines.... like windows
[02:54] <josh_> lol windows is spyware
[02:54] <josh_> f**king M$
[02:54] <cpk2> my xorg doesnt seem to use modelines and i really need to change my refresh rate, feels like its hurting my eyes =\
[02:54] <josh_> god i hate that crap
[02:55] <josh_> Dr_willis: what was the reconfigure command for xorg? xorg -reconfigure?
[02:55] <luoluo> hi room
[02:55] <supertanker> owww
[02:55] <Dr_willis> dpkg-reconfigure xorg or somthing like that
[02:56] <josh_> there you go cpk2
[02:56] <luoluo> i wanna play ape on Ubuntu,but dont know how
[02:56] <josh_> lol
[02:56] <supertanker> I just realized that it is bad idea to listen to music when your headphone volume is at 99 %
[02:56] <Dr_willis> ape ?
[02:56] <luoluo> ape music
[02:56] <supertanker> So thats what it would be like to listen to Chevelle live
[02:56] <luoluo> ape format music file
[02:56] <josh_> supertanker: that depends are you hard of hearing?
[02:56] <supertanker> no
[02:56] <josh_> lol are u now?
[02:57] <luoluo> any one knows?
[02:57] <supertanker> could you say that a bit louder?
[02:57] <josh_> hey how do these people have addresses that aren't they're ip addressed
[02:58] <benkong2> why does my knetworkmanager only allow 40/104 bit wep?
[02:58] <cpk2> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg i suppose =P
[02:58] <supertanker> "I'm tired of your open mouth, crawling inside my skin, endless pain we never quit, the fight within that prides begun, say it it's too late, what a man's got to learn to hate!"
[02:58] <Telroth_Plushie|> josh_, host names. everyone has one
[02:58] <josh_> like this one visik7 [n=visi@unaffiliated/visik7]
[02:58] <supertanker> brb
[02:58] <supertanker> gotta go eat
[02:58] <josh_> ir rather have that then my ip
[02:59] <josh_> how do i change my shit
[03:01] <josh_> anyone?
[03:01] <LeeJunFan> josh_: check freenode.org there's info there on it.
[03:01] <josh_> holy crap... i can foreach in irssi
[03:01] <josh_> l;ol
[03:02] <LeeJunFan> http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#projectcloak
[03:03] <LeeJunFan> josh_: that link ^^ it's called a cloak.
[03:03] <josh_> oh... thanks man
[03:03] <LeeJunFan> or more appropriately http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks
[03:03] <LeeJunFan> for a single host cloak.
[03:08] <josh_> oh snap... i can use perl with irssi?!?!
[03:08] <josh_> f'in right doggie
[03:18] <supertanker> gtg
[03:19] <benkong2> can anyone help get networkmanager and 128bit WEP working on my lappy?
[03:21] <[Nige] > hi all
[03:21] <BigIron> Good evening all
[03:22] <BigIron> Does Kubuntu have something like limewire or Kazaa?
[03:25] <[Nige] > I hve lost my notifications area like where gaim goes when you minimise it... not the taskbar list, any ideas on how to get it back?
[03:25] <[Nige] > nevermind
[03:26] <[Nige] > i found it again
[03:27] <XVampireX> LeeJunFan: In the end I had to use aptitude in the command line instead of apt-get, seems like aptitude does a better job.
[03:28] <ku8u> hola
[03:29] <ku8u> hi
[03:29] <ku8u> hello
[03:29] <ku8u> can i have some help!
[03:29] <ku8u> im new using linux and i need some help!
[03:30] <XVampireX> Shoot
[03:30] <Dr_willis> And the problem is>
[03:30] <Kr4t05> ku8u: Whatcha need?
[03:31] <ku8u> i want to install packages.. so i use ./confugure and always give an error
[03:31] <XVampireX> ku8u: it's ./configure
[03:31] <XVampireX> and errors are because you don't have the dependencies
[03:31] <ku8u> thi 1
[03:32] <ku8u> i mean this 1
[03:32] <ku8u> configure: error: no acceptable cc found in $PATH
[03:32] <Dr_willis> install build-essential for a start
[03:32] <XVampireX> ku8u: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[03:32] <XVampireX> And
[03:32] <Dr_willis> then other dev packages needed by the program
[03:32] <XVampireX> Wait
[03:32] <XVampireX> I wanna handle this
[03:32] <Kr4t05> Also, make sure it isn't in the repositories before you compile it.
[03:32] <XVampireX> Kr4t05: I hate you
[03:32] <] LaPiN[> .
[03:33] <ku8u> where i can find som 1step programs! u know for warming up!
[03:33] <ku8u> cause
[03:33] <Dr_willis> Huh?
[03:33] <ku8u> i want to lsiten mp3
[03:33] <XVampireX> warming up?
[03:33] <XVampireX> !easyubuntu
[03:33] <ubotu> EasyUbuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ ; for help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu.
[03:33] <Dr_willis> theres sevarl mp3 players out for kubuntu
[03:33] <] LaPiN[> hi
[03:33] <Kr4t05> Dr_willis: I think he means the codecs.
[03:33] <XVampireX> ku8u: check this
[03:33] <Dr_willis> !mp3
[03:33] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:33] <ku8u> and u know also install fire fox!
[03:34] <Kr4t05> ku8u: Check easyubuntu
[03:34] <Dr_willis> fire up adept and search/install it.
[03:34] <soulrider> does anyone know if its possible to ahve two kickers
[03:34] <Kr4t05> It installs a lot of what you need.
[03:34] <Dr_willis> its very trivial to do.
[03:34] <soulrider> GNOME style ?
[03:34] <unix_infidel> soulrider: yes.
[03:34] <Kr4t05> soulrider: right click on the kicker and add new panel.
[03:34] <XVampireX> soulrider: kicker = panel
[03:34] <unix_infidel> soulrider: technically though, its one kicker instance with two seperate panels.
[03:34] <soulrider> ooooohh
[03:35] <benkong2> can anyone point me to a solution to get NetworkManager working on Kubuntu?
[03:35] <Dr_willis> benkong2,  whats not working with it?
[03:35] <benkong2> Dr_willis: wireless and 128bit wep.
[03:35] <soulrider> eeerr, i added a new application dock
[03:35] <unix_infidel> benkong2: wep is deprecated.
[03:35] <soulrider> and now its all screwed up
[03:35] <ku8u> the only i have had trouble is installing skype!
[03:35] <ku8u> i mean i havent had!
[03:36] <Dr_willis> benkong2,  gee.. thats vague.. :P you sure your wireles card is even working first?
[03:36] <unix_infidel> benkong2: look into setting up WPA+RAIDUS
[03:36] <unix_infidel> erm, RADIUS*
[03:36] <benkong2> It brings up the dialog to enter the key but only 40/104 bit
[03:36] <benkong2> yes the wireless will work using iwconfig
[03:36] <Dr_willis> benkong2,  ive noticed differnet companies - seem to differ on how they count the # of bits..
[03:36] <benkong2> here is a message from the logs that may give a hint
[03:36] <Dr_willis> 40/104 may be 128 bit..
[03:37] <Dr_willis> try it first with out any encryption, then work up from there.. perhaps.
[03:37] <benkong2> message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/eth0 for sub-path eth0.dbus.get.host_name
[03:37] <benkong2> Dr_willis: it does work without encryption
[03:37] <Dr_willis> benkong2,  thats a good sign then. :P
[03:38] <benkong2> it sees all the wireless networks in my neighborhood also
[03:38] <Dr_willis> Be sure you are not trying to enter an ascii key when its wanting a Hexidecimal one and visa-versa
[03:38] <benkong2> I am entering or at least choosing hex key
[03:39] <benkong2> does the message mean anything that sounds familiar?
[03:39] <Dr_willis> all the terms the different wireless programs use - gets a bit confisung at times. I noticed my laptop said 64 wep Hexidecimal. ( as an option)
[03:39] <benkong2> this is an IBM X30 thinkpad
[03:39] <cpk1> !xfree
[03:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xfree - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:40] <soulrider> argh, i cant set up this the right way
[03:42] <phoenix_> anyone mind telling me why kubuntu doesnt seem to come with gcc? o.O
[03:43] <nalioth> ku8u: were your questions not answered here to your satisfaction?
[03:43] <CVirus> phoenix_: you could apt-get install gcc if you need it
[03:43] <CVirus> phoenix_: the CD isnt big enough to hold unecessary software
[03:44] <phoenix_> I see
[03:44] <Kr4t05> OK, later people. I'm off to stack my penny tower and play Leaf Green while this kernel compiles.
[03:44] <Kr4t05> ....
[03:45] <Kr4t05> I don't think there can be anymore nerdy a sentence than that...
[03:45] <CVirus> who cares
[03:45] <CVirus> LOL
[03:45] <benkong2> bye I'm off to try and figure out networkmanager
[03:45] <ku8u> ahh not yet!
[03:45] <ku8u> but is ok :)
[03:46] <ku8u> i have this problem whe i open a .dev file
[03:46] <ku8u> configure: error: no acceptable cc found in $PATH
[03:46] <ku8u> do any know why?
[03:46] <ku8u> :s
[03:47] <nalioth> ku8u: install "build-essential" with adept
[03:47] <Dr_willis> because you dont have gcc installed
[03:47] <Dr_willis> and if you want gcc you proerly want all the 'build-essential' dependencies as well
[03:47] <ku8u> ok
[03:48] <BlueLaguna> can I just upgrade to the kubuntu beta via apt-get ?
[03:49] <tobias___> it connects!'
[03:49] <ku8u> where i can find build-essential!
[03:49] <ku8u> just rum adept
[03:50] <cpk1> grrr why cant i change my refresh rate
[03:50] <Dr_willis> !info build-essential
[03:50] <ubotu> build-essential: informational list of build-essential packages. In component main, is optional. Version 11.1 (dapper), package size 6 kB, installed size 48 kB
[03:50] <Dr_willis> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[03:50] <Dr_willis> should install it.
[03:51] <ku8u> thnx
[03:54] <Dr_willis> heh. AMC is showing that old Sci-Fi Movie. "The Day The Earth Stood Still"
[03:54] <Dr_willis>  A classic!
[03:59] <Blacken> Alright, so I ran EasyUbuntu and installed the restricted ATI drivers. However, I still can't select a resolution over 1024x768. Can anyone assist?
[03:59] <Dr_willis> did ya reboot yet?
[03:59] <Dr_willis> or restartx?
[04:02] <crema10> hello everybody
[04:02] <Dr_willis> moo
[04:05] <Blacken> Dr_willis: I rebooted immediately after. I see the driver, there's an ATI widget in my K-Menu. But no dice.
[04:05] <Dr_willis> whats no dice?
[04:05] <Dr_willis> video is working byt cant chnge res eh?
[04:05] <Blacken> Dr_willis: The ATI drivers still don't seem to work.
[04:05] <Blacken> Dr_willis: I can change resolution, just only downward.
[04:06] <Dr_willis> its possible your xorg.conf is missing entrys for the higher res.. or it thinks your monito can only handle the lower res.
[04:06] <Dr_willis> !fixres
[04:06] <ubotu> x is the X Window System; it's the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type this in a console: sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  -  To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[04:06] <Dr_willis> may want to check there.. ive never had the problem
[04:07] <Blacken> Dr_willis: Odd thing is...I ran 6.06 Ubuntu for a while. Reinstalled with 6.06 Kubuntu, and now I have this. And...that's a new one--"Driver does not provide FireGL extensions"?
[04:07] <Blacken> (When opening the ATI applet)
[04:09] <crema10> Dr_willis: did you get a chance to mess around with Zen yet?
[04:10] <Dr_willis> zen? whats that.. :P lol
[04:11] <Dr_willis> messing with xmame at the moment
[04:13] <hermes__> Hello; does anyone know how to get Active Sync (or some alternative) to work in Kubuntu (or with wine)?
[04:15] <unix_infidel> Do most professional software companies have their own IRC chan for troubleshooting, or rather how do they troubleshoot their code?
[04:16] <Dr_willis> if they are doing intercompany chatting. they could be using jabber, or some other inhouse chat/messging ing service
[04:16] <unix_infidel> right, is that common?
[04:17] <unix_infidel> or are coders expected to deal with things in person with fellow devs and such, and or try to muddle through some code that they cant quite troubleshoot.
[04:18] <Hawkwind> All depends on the company they work for
[04:19] <Hawkwind> Each company will be totally different in how they handle things
[04:19] <unix_infidel> Ok, that's fine, but what are some avenues of collaberative troubleshooting in industry?
[04:20] <Dr_willis> The industry is so huge.. theres vast varity.
[04:20] <unix_infidel> Of course there are projects that are sensitive.
[04:20] <Dr_willis> and some projects are so huge with 100's of people if not more...
[04:20] <Hawkwind> Of course, all this belongs in -OffTopic  :P
[04:20] <miyako> how do I go about stopping X?  ctrl+alt+backspace restarts the X server, and switching to another virtual terminal and switching to runlevel 3 with "init 3" also fails to stop X?
[04:20] <ep> grr, I'm having adept install suns java and the accept licenecs <no> <yes> screen is cut off (blank white) and seemingly impossible to view no matter what  I click or move .   This has happened to me before. Suggestions anyone?  Has anybody switched to synaptic, looks like I need to.
[04:21] <soulrider> i added a new panel, but i cant resize it =/
[04:21] <soulrider> i want it tiny, but its still normal size
[04:21] <Hawkwind> miyako: killall kdm is one way if you're using kdm.
[04:21] <Dr_willis> ep,  hold down alt key and click/drag the window to move it
[04:22] <miyako> Hawkwind, ok I'll try that.  Any idea why init isn't working properly? it worked as I expected it to (in otherwords, stopping X, etc.) in SuSE? is it just the way kubuntu is, or is my system configured incorrectly
[04:23] <Hawkwind> miyako: ctrl-alt-backspace should always restart it and take you back to your wm if you have autologin enabled, or back the kdm/gdm screen or whatever
[04:23] <miyako> Hawkwind, yeah, I was more wondering why "init 3" didn't stop X
[04:24] <Hawkwind> miyako: Did you try telinit 3 instead ?
[04:24] <Blacken> ...this gets stranger and stranger.
[04:24] <miyako> nope, I had no idea such a thing as telinit existed
[04:25] <ep> I can resize minimize and move the window just fine -- but inside this window is another the terminal type text window with a <yes> <no> prompt.  The top 1/4 of it is visible.  The prompt and cursor (highlight) is invisible.
[04:26] <miyako> ok, well killall kdm worked properly
[04:26] <ep> gues i can hit tab a few times and click the space bar and i've got a 50 50 chance that I said <yes>  Ya ho!
[04:26] <miyako> now to try to get AIGLX working with the beta nvidia drivers ^_^
[04:26] <ep> I'll tryj that
[04:27] <ep> not working I cant get out of this thing
[04:27] <phoenix_> anyone know what I can use to play a .wma file?
[04:28] <Blacken> Alright, I've got the ATI drivers installed and ran debconf over them to try to get my screen resolution of 1280x800 to work. However, when I do fglrxinfo, it gives me this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25268/
[04:28] <Blacken> Any help?
[04:28] <Dr_willis> phoenix_,  it will depend on the codec the wma is using as if it can be played with vlc/totem/xine/mplayer or not
[04:29] <miyako> ok, I'm going by the wiki on kubuntu to install AIGLX and it says to use apt-get install linux-dri-common, but apt-get can't find it
[04:29] <miyako> any idea what repository it is in?
[04:29] <ep> I wonder what I'll screw up after File | Quit.
[04:30] <ep> Hey could I post a screen shot?
[04:30] <Hawkwind> !info linux-dri-common
[04:30] <ubotu> Package linux-dri-common does not exist in any distro I know
[04:30] <Hawkwind> miyako: Must be some 3rd party repo
[04:31] <en1gma> damn it. desktop amd64 has no dmraid builtin and i apt-get says there isnt any
[04:32] <en1gma> do i need to do something to apt-get for it to be able to get "dmraid"
[04:32] <miyako> Hawkwind, ah, nevermind, it was a typo
[04:32] <miyako> however I did run into a problem with there not being packages for the kernel that I'm running, which is the latest kubuntu kernel
[04:32] <en1gma> anyone running amd64 6.10 edgy?
[04:32] <miyako> guess I'll have to downgrade my kernel :(
[04:33] <Hawkwind> en1gma: Try asking in #Ubuntu+1 since that's the Edgy channel
[04:33] <en1gma> ohhh ok thnx
[04:33] <Hawkwind> !wireless
[04:33] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[04:36] <soulrider> does anyone know why i cant resize my panel ?
[04:36] <soulrider> i got 2, i can resize one but not the other
[04:36] <ep> can I post a screen shot (png) to the paste bin?
[04:36] <en1gma> that channel is dead
[04:37] <soulrider> yea =/
[04:37] <chains_> I have a series of questions 1) how do i instal firefox from a tar ball?
[04:37] <Dr_willis> You mean Compile from source? Ick..
[04:37] <soulrider> just umpack it :)
[04:37] <en1gma> how can i look at what we call in slackware the "menuconfig.config" file of the kernel i am running
[04:38] <soulrider> but why are you using a tar ball ?
[04:38] <Dr_willis> that would require a lot of depenecneies and so on.. when its allready in the repos.
[04:38] <phoenix_> anyone know why I cant install win32codecs or vlc with apt-get?  it says cannot find, how do I install them?
[04:38] <soulrider> phoenix_: do you have universe enabled ?
[04:38] <chains_> well, i dont like the browser that kubuntu uses, and i dont know how else to instal
[04:38] <soulrider> open up your console chains_
[04:39] <phoenix_> soulrider, that's like asking Bill Gates if he uses Linux  XD
[04:39] <Dr_willis> I think ya should learn a little about the disrto and apt-get befoir trying to do such  fancy tricks that you do NOT need to do
[04:39] <Dr_willis> try that 'add programs" menu item yet?
[04:39] <chains_> im new to kubuntu, where is the console
[04:39] <phoenix_> soulrider, meaning I have no clue what you are talking about XD
[04:40] <Dr_willis> chains_,  the "konsole' is the text terminal for Kubuntut
[04:40] <soulrider> ok
[04:40] <soulrider> phoenix_: the repositories is where you can find software
[04:40] <soulrider> theres one called universe
[04:40] <soulrider> that has a crapload of them
[04:40] <Dr_willis> chains_,  or run that 'add/remove programs' entry, check the show unsupported/propiaraty box's and start checking/installing stuff.
[04:40] <Dr_willis> :)
[04:40] <soulrider> but it has to be enable
[04:40] <soulrider> d
[04:40] <chains_> Br_willis, i found it
[04:40] <chains_> Dr*
[04:40] <phoenix_> soulrider, I do this how?
[04:40] <soulrider> ok
[04:40] <Dr_willis> apt-get makes the way you are used to installing things in windows -- seem .. primitive
[04:40] <soulrider> open adept
[04:41] <soulrider> know how to do that ?
[04:41] <Dr_willis> find its icon...
[04:41] <chains_> cool
[04:41] <Dr_willis> or just run that add/remove programs thang.
[04:41] <Dr_willis> its a user-friendly front end.
[04:41] <soulrider> yea
[04:41] <phoenix_> yep
[04:41] <Dr_willis> explore the os a bit.
[04:41] <en1gma> do i need to do something to apt-get so i can "apt-get install dmraid"? im running amd64 edgy
[04:41] <soulrider> have you used katapult yet? its REALLY useful
[04:41] <chains_> ok, i have konsole open
[04:41] <soulrider> simpoly press alt space
[04:41] <Dr_willis> !info dmraid
[04:41] <ubotu> dmraid: Device-Mapper Software RAID support tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.9+1.0.0.rc9-2ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 117 kB, installed size 460 kB
[04:41] <soulrider> and type in what you wanna open
[04:42] <Dr_willis> Rember - in linux - thers always 12 ways to do somthing. :)
[04:42] <soulrider> yup
[04:42] <chains_> so, i  rember using apt-get a little bit in ubuntu, but i forgot
[04:42] <soulrider> im loving linux
[04:42] <soulrider> and im trying to convert my parents :P
[04:42] <soulrider> ok
[04:42] <soulrider> chains
[04:42] <phoenix_> soulrider, how do I enable universe?
[04:42] <soulrider> press alt space
[04:43] <soulrider> and then type adept
[04:43] <phoenix_> ok
[04:43] <soulrider> that goes for you too pho
[04:43] <phoenix_> now what?
[04:43] <soulrider> phoenix_:
[04:43] <soulrider> type your apssword and wait till it opens
[04:43] <phoenix_> ok
[04:43] <mabreaux> I am logged on as the administrator "" and I am receiving a message " Your administrator has disallowed changing your image" how do I correct this
[04:43] <chains_> got adept open
[04:43] <soulrider> go to view and then manage repositories
[04:44] <chains_> i only have View> review changes
[04:44] <soulrider> try to find manage repositories
[04:45] <chains_> got it
[04:45] <Hawkwind> chains_: Adept -> Manage Repositories
[04:45] <soulrider> ok
[04:45] <Kr4t05> Hawkwind: It's not going to work...
[04:45] <soulrider> now, enable universe
[04:45] <Hawkwind> Kr4t05: Still getting the same error ?
[04:45] <Kr4t05> H
[04:45] <chains_> dont see it
[04:46] <Kr4t05> Hawkwind: Yeah... Let me download the newest tarball, maybe that will work.
[04:46] <soulrider> uhm
[04:46] <soulrider> dont you see some lines with # ?
[04:46] <soulrider> just one #
[04:46] <Dr_willis> I hope that he has installed the latest Dapper Kubuntu.
[04:46] <soulrider> not ##
[04:47] <chains_> no, all i see are a bunch with ##
[04:47] <soulrider> uhm
[04:47] <soulrider> hang on
[04:47] <soulrider> !easysource
[04:47] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[04:47] <ep> I finally to exit adept with File | Quit (No choice) Now due to the adept bug, I cant' even use apt-get "Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?"  And I can't restart adept (probably already running)  I just goes blank.
[04:47] <soulrider> ok
[04:47] <soulrider> type
[04:47] <soulrider> sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:47] <Hawkwind> Not sudo
[04:47] <Hawkwind> kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:48] <soulrider> i think both work
[04:48] <Hawkwind> soulrider: Nope
[04:48] <soulrider> i allways use sudo =/
[04:48] <Hawkwind> kdesu is for opening GUI apps with root perms
[04:48] <chains_> no seeing
[04:48] <Hawkwind> chains_: What are you trying to do ?
[04:48] <chains_> to install firefoz with a tarball
[04:49] <Hawkwind> chains_: Why ?
[04:49] <chains_> thats one of the several things im trying to do
[04:49] <ep> I'm going to kill the process I guess.
[04:49] <en1gma> is there a kubuntu and ubuntu universal repo or are they each their own
[04:49] <Hawkwind> chains_: Why not sudo apt-get install firefox and get it from the repos
[04:49] <chains_> cuz i dont know how....
[04:49] <soulrider> he doesnt ahve universe enabled
[04:49] <Hawkwind> en1gma: They all share universe and multiverse
[04:49] <chains_> till now
[04:49] <en1gma> okie
[04:49] <Hawkwind> chains_: I just told you how.... sudo apt-get install firefox
[04:49] <chains_> cuz you just reminded me
[04:49] <Hawkwind> !repos > chains_
[04:49] <Hawkwind> chains_: Read what the bot just told you in pm to setup your repos
[04:50] <soulrider> is he registered in IRC ?
[04:50] <en1gma> where do i go to find universal repsoitory links
[04:50] <en1gma> im at ubuntu.com right now
[04:50] <Hawkwind> soulrider: Doesn't matter.  He can recieve pm's, not send them if he's not registered
[04:50] <Hawkwind> !repos > en1gma
[04:51] <Blacken> Hrm. Well, that works, at least...
[04:51] <Blacken> Can you enable transparency for only ONE panel in KDE?
[04:51] <mini_gamer1896> ""
[04:51] <mini_gamer1896> ?
[04:54] <en1gma> Hawkwind that !repos > en1gma thing didnt give me the address to univeral
[04:54] <en1gma> it just tells me how to adept manager ...manage repositories
[04:54] <Hawkwind> en1gma: It does tell you how to enable all repos, including universe though
[04:55] <en1gma> what i specifically asked is where is the urls of the universal repos
[04:55] <en1gma> now how to enable em
[04:56] <en1gma> like how do you get the list of universal repo server
[04:56] <en1gma> servers*
[04:56] <Blacken> Synaptic is just about the only improvement on Kubuntu I know of.
[04:56] <Hawkwind> en1gma: It tells you.  You either do it via adept, or edit your /etc/apt/sources.list manually
[04:56] <Blacken> I can't stand adept. :/
[04:57] <en1gma> if it tells me im sorry i might have missed that...i just scanned through and it looks like the servers that it "already" has it shows you enabling
[04:57] <Blacken> Can you enable transparency only for one panel? I have an offscreen panel to the left that I'd like to use as a hidden application launcher, but...
[04:57] <morghanphoenix> how does one install tar.gz packages?
[04:58] <en1gma> Hawkwind "or edit your /etc/apt/sources.list manually" <<<<<<im looking for the site that lists what i put in here
[04:58] <Blacken> morghanphoenix: It's like a zipfile on Windows. Run gunzip and tar in the terminal.
[04:58] <en1gma> the repos server list
[04:58] <en1gma> anyone know what im saying
[04:58] <Hawkwind> en1gma: Simply add universe to the end of the lines that have multiverse
[04:59] <morghanphoenix> so if you unzip it into a /usr/local path it will work, or do you need to do something else?
[04:59] <ep> Ok guys, this all started because there was no way to accept or decline the license agreement on Adept's "Sun java install". It was impossible (i've got a screen shot to prove it).
[04:59] <Kr4t05> Hawkwind: I'm going to try using the kernel source package from the repos and see if that helps.
[04:59] <ep> Since then I ended session came back and did ps aux -- now check this out: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25270/  OMG what do I do !
[05:00] <Blacken> morghanphoenix: Normally you need to compile an app that comes in a tarball.
[05:01] <ep> This is a nightmare
[05:01] <Blacken> ep: killall adept?
[05:03] <ep> oh didn't know there was a killall thanks. Btw now on apt-get "dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem"
[05:04] <Hawkwind> ep: So run that command, prefixed with sudo
[05:04] <qu1ckfr0st> !mp3
[05:04] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:05] <mabreaux> I was using adept and suddenly the window vanished.  It is not in the task bar or any where.  how do I get it back.
[05:05] <morghanphoenix> dpkg -a I think
[05:05] <morghanphoenix> That worked for me
[05:06] <chains_> ok, im having problems with my sound. No matter what sound type, it comes out insanly scratchy (staticy) and i cant figure out what to do
[05:06] <ep> That bug has happened to me before.  I need to report it to the  adept folks.  (i've got a screen shot).
[05:06] <ubuntu> test
[05:06] <mabreaux> why does it do that.   also is there any way to see what programs are running?
[05:07] <Hawkwind> mabreaux: ps aux or run top
[05:07] <ep> Is synaptec generally more higly regarded?  I may just uninstall adept if that's ok
[05:07] <Blacken> ep: Synaptic is a lot easier to deal with, IMO. It's cleaner. Less frilly. Doesn't have all the tagging crap.
[05:07] <Hawkwind> ep: Why not use what works, apt-get from the CLI/terminal
[05:08] <Blacken> Hawkwind: Most people don't know every package by heart, and the CLI is harder to read/use than just searching a GUI.
[05:08] <morghanphoenix> I put synaptic on my kubuntu system first thing off
[05:08] <Hawkwind> Blacken: I totally disagree
[05:08] <Hawkwind> Blacken: apt-cache search works wonders and is no different than reading a silly GUI that everyone complains about being broken and not working
[05:09] <Blacken> Hawkwind: You've also been using it longer than most people. Quit the elitism.
[05:09] <mabreaux> if it does it to me one more time I am going to be upset . this is 4 times in a row.
[05:09] <Hawkwind> Blacken: Heh, 2 months is how long I've been using it
[05:09] <ep> Hawkind  I like that the best... but the gui's are nice for searching and browsing around .   And while your there.... :)
[05:09] <Blacken> Hawkwind: Synaptic is not broken, and is in fact quite clean. It's KDE's fault that they include a terrible GUI.
[05:09] <Hawkwind> Blacken: I never mentioned synaptic in my sentences, nowhere
[05:09] <mabreaux> so how do you recover from this adept bug.
[05:10] <Blacken> Hawkwind: No, but you responded right after I and others mentioned Synaptic.
[05:10] <Hawkwind> We're talking about adept not working and providing a solution, CLI happens to work the best for most everything when it comes to a package manager.  That's why it is important a user learns it, atleast IMO
[05:10] <morghanphoenix> dpkg -a on command line
[05:10] <Hawkwind> Blacken: Only because you typed a bit quicker than I did that one time
[05:10] <morghanphoenix> worked for me when I had the same problem
[05:10] <mabreaux> I wil try it.
[05:11] <Blacken> Hawkwind: You can think that if you like. *shrug* I find the CLI interface for apt very cumbersome and annoying.
[05:11] <Hawkwind> Blacken: If you take note, I preach learning the CLI all the time in here.  It's what works best in most all cases
[05:11] <Blacken> Hawkwind: Yeah, I've noticed. I used to be like you. :P
[05:11] <Hawkwind> Blacken: Maybe you should learn it a bit better then.  Not putting you down, just saying, once you learn it, you'll find it's much better
[05:11] <Blacken> Hawkwind: I've been using various flavors of Linux for long enough to realize that most people don't want to, nor need to, use the CLI.
[05:11] <claydoh> I must disagree here.
[05:12] <Hawkwind> Blacken: My experience comes from 4+ years of seeing all distros having a broken GUI package manager and writing docs for one of the newest on the block
[05:12] <claydoh> I have been using Linux for years now, and am only just now getting into the cli
[05:12] <Hawkwind> Blacken: I totally disagree there
[05:12] <Blacken> Hawkwind: I've done LFS. I run a Gentoo server. I use Kubuntu--which is primarily a DESKTOP system--because I want something that just works.   Now that's quite funny
[05:12] <Hawkwind> chains_: Did you enable all of your repos ?
[05:13] <Hawkwind> chains_: Can you put your /etc/apt/sources.list into http://pastebin.ulteo.us
[05:13] <Blacken> chains_: Have to enable all the repositories, and it's not "fire fox", if that was what you were typing--it's "firefox".
[05:13] <claydoh> now when new users are having a prob with a gui app, the cli can help by getting a better error message, makes it easier to help newbies
[05:13] <chains_> send me that link again, if its not to much trouble, and no i was trying firefox
[05:13] <Blacken> Hawkwind: People who come in here aren't looking for the l33t way to do things. They want the easiest way to do it, quickly. The CLI has a tremendous learning curve that most *desktop* users don't care about.
[05:14] <chains_> nm, i found the link
[05:14] <Hawkwind> Blacken: CLI isn't the l33t way of doing things either.  I don't know where you get that info from
[05:14] <Hawkwind> Blacken: To some people the CLI has a tremendous learning curve, not to everyone
[05:14] <Blacken> Hawkwind: Sarcasm, dude. Sarcasm.
[05:14] <morghanphoenix> Try crashing your x-server, you need the command line then, not for long but it's still needed
[05:14] <unix_infidel> Blacken: i'm a desktop user too.  Actually more than anything.
[05:14] <Blacken> Hawkwind: How many Windows users can go around in DOS? Granted, ones who started in DOS or Win 3.1 or so can (I'm one of them), but very few.
[05:14] <unix_infidel> But i still have about 10 cmd shells on windows currently.
[05:15] <Hawkwind> Blacken: No idea.  I haven't touched or dealt with Windows in over 4 years.  I refrain from messing with GUI things that are broken :P
[05:15] <claydoh> as I said, I usually suggest a comand line just so I can get the good error message so I can help out better
[05:15] <Blacken> unix_infidel: I run a tabbed MinGW box, too.  But sending newbies to use it is a joke.
[05:15] <Hawkwind> claydoh: Yep.  Because GUI stuff rarely gives any helpful error messages
[05:16] <morghanphoenix> I started with win 2.0, dos worked better.
[05:16] <claydoh> exactly
[05:16] <unix_infidel> Blacken: no, the joke is poorly coded gui's
[05:16] <Hawkwind> Blacken: That's your opinion actually.  Some learn better if you send them to that 'joke'
[05:16] <mabreaux> can you use synaptic in place of adept?
[05:16] <Blacken> Hawkwind: Of course it's my opinion. Whose else would it be?
[05:16] <Blacken> mabreaux: Yes.
[05:16] <Hawkwind> mabreaux: Yes
[05:16] <claydoh> now wen i am in a forum and have more time to type, I star out with the gui way
[05:16] <morghanphoenix> yes, but if adept is locked synaptic probably won't work either
[05:17] <Blacken> mabreaux: You may be better off just rebooting, if killall didn't do it for you.
[05:17] <Hawkwind> Blacken: Then stop telling people not to suggest or use the CLI.  Everyone does things *their* way and if they can help the user accomplish what he/she needs, then let them do it however they can
[05:17] <Hawkwind> mabreaux: Rebooting is for Windows, new hardware and new kernel.  Do *not* reboot your machine
[05:17] <morghanphoenix> I switched distros to try out a new one and I'm really missing apt and dpkg.
[05:17] <claydoh> if adept is locked, use the gui search tool to find instances of 'lock' in /usr
[05:17] <Blacken> Hawkwind: Where did I tell people not to use the CLI? Point me to it.
[05:17] <claydoh> then delete them
[05:17] <Hawkwind> morghanphoenix: You need to delete the lock files
[05:18] <claydoh> then install synaptic :)
[05:18] <Blacken> ROFL...Hawkwind, tone down the elitism a little. I suggested the immediate, easiest fix for a newbie.
[05:18] <claydoh> lol
[05:18] <Hawkwind> Blacken: That's bad advice though
[05:18] <Hawkwind> Blacken: I'm not being elite or anything.  Trying to teach people properly and to get out of the Windows mind frame
[05:18] <Blacken> Hawkwind: It works. Again--not the elitist, Linux-is-God-never-reboot attitude, but the pragmatic one. :)
[05:18] <claydoh> Hawkwind is far from eliteist, I prob am more elitest than him ;)
[05:18] <Satafterh> can i upgrade to 6.10 with apt
[05:19] <chains_> hawkwind i dont see the 'universe' line it says to find
[05:19] <Hawkwind> Blacken: If you want to teach someone how to do something, teach them right.  Don't keep them in the same hole they've been in with Windows for years
[05:19] <morghanphoenix> I rebooted kubuntu once, debian once and slackware six times.
[05:19] <Hawkwind> chains_: Can you please paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to http://pastebin.ulteo.us for me to see
[05:19] <morghanphoenix> Everyone should have at least some basic command line skills in case x crashes.
[05:19] <Hawkwind> Satafterh: You can, but it's not stable yet and is still not ready for everyday desktop use
 i see
[05:20] <Hawkwind> morghanphoenix: Yep.  It's those that don't have any that freak and reinstall when X won't start
[05:20] <Blacken> Hawkwind: Again with the elitism. If you take a bit of a step back, you'll see how ridiculous that attitude is. Hell, I run Kubuntu on a laptop.  Doesn't do a bit of harm to the machine, nor to the user, to suggest it.
[05:20] <Blacken> Hawkwind: How is rebooting in *any* way a bad thing?
[05:20] <Hawkwind> Blacken: Please stop with the elitism remarks
[05:20] <Hawkwind> Blacken: What does rebooting teach them ?
[05:20] <chains_> how do i paste them? because i dont copy it
[05:21] <Satafterh> I know i can read the changes online but with out going through that is there alot of changes in 6.10
[05:21] <Hawkwind> chains_: Open it up in an editor, hold the left mouse button, highlight what you want, then middle click to paste, or left/right click at the same time to paste
[05:21] <Hawkwind> Satafterh: Yes, especially with the init system
[05:22] <Hawkwind> Satafterh: The init system has been replaced with upstart
[05:22] <morghanphoenix> I configured x wrong and was stuck on command line while I learned how to fix it because I refused to reinstall unless I really couldn't fix it.
[05:22] <Blacken> Hawkwind: ROFL. This is going nowhere. All I am saying is that teaching people is fine--but if they want a machine that *works*, your methodology is a bad one. And I'll stop with the elitism comments when you stop trying to say that I'm "teaching them wrong." :) I tell them what works and what works immediately, not twenty minutes, an hour, more down the line.
[05:22] <Satafterh> init system? yes i am a noob lol
[05:22] <Blacken> Hawkwind: Both ways are equally valid. I don't correct you, don't correct me.
[05:22] <Hawkwind> Blacken: No it's not.  Ask anyone in here.  If it was, I wouldn't be a regular here, I wouldn't be an op here, and I surely wouldn't know the things I know
[05:23] <chains_> how do i open it in a text editor?
[05:23] <Blacken> Hawkwind: You're right. But you aren't a regular user. Neither am I.
[05:23] <Hawkwind> Blacken: Then stop giving bad advice and teach people correctly, actually teach them something instead of telling them to just hit the power button and proceed on
[05:23] <Hawkwind> Blacken: I'm not ?
[05:23] <Satafterh> what is init system?
[05:23] <morghanphoenix> Both are right, get the damn thing working, then teach him how to do it himself. just my humble newbie opinion.
[05:23] <Blacken> Hawkwind: I imagine not, from the way you speak.
[05:23] <Hawkwind> chains_: kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:23] <fulat2k> hi folks, i accidentally removed the displays from the System Guard applet.  Anyway I can redisplay the CPU/Memory displays?  It's now displayed as blank boxes
[05:23] <Hawkwind> Blacken: Might try again
[05:23] <Hawkwind> Blacken: If I wasn't a regular user, I wouldn't be involved with the distro and the community the way I am, and I wouldn't be an op of this channel
[05:24] <claydoh> Satafterh: init is basically how the system boots up and loads modules/ etc
[05:24] <Blacken> Hawkwind: A regular user is someone who comes in, asks a question, leaves.
 ok
[05:24] <morghanphoenix> there should be a command line newbie channel.
[05:24] <Hawkwind> Blacken: No it's not
[05:24] <unix_infidel> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Init
[05:24] <Hawkwind> Blacken: A 'regular' user is someone who is here very often on a 'regular' basis
[05:24] <unix_infidel> morghanphoenix: ask those questions here, were happy to answer them.
[05:24] <Blacken> Hawkwind: You are knowledgable about it. You aren't merely using it--you know the ins and outs of it.
 so it boots faster or ?
[05:24] <claydoh> Satafterh: in edgy they have something new, ie needing testing, that seems to really speed up the boot time
[05:25] <Blacken> Hawkwind: Sorry. Meaning clash. You are thinking 'regular' as in 'frequent'. I'm thinking 'regular' as J. Random Luser.
[05:25] <Hawkwind> Satafterh: Edgy does boot quite a bit quicker than Dapper does actually
[05:25] <morghanphoenix> How do you add a user to the sudoers folder command line?
[05:25] <claydoh> it does for me,
[05:25] <chains_> say what? ok, im new to kubuntu . do i do into openoffice, and the open and type what you just told me to open?
[05:25] <Blacken> Satafterh: Edgy boots up remarkably quickly. It's still a bit wonky in some ways, but it's quite usable.
[05:25] <claydoh> morghanphoenix: add the user to the admin group:
[05:25] <Satafterh> Edgy isnt vey stable yet?
[05:25] <Hawkwind> morghanphoenix: sudo visudo ?
[05:25] <claydoh> sudo addgrp <username> <groupname>
[05:26] <Hawkwind> Satafterh: No, it's still beta and won't be released as stable til next month sometime
[05:26] <Satafterh> ok thx
[05:26] <Blacken> Satafterh: It's pretty stable in my experience. Occasional oddities, but nothing major.
[05:26] <en1gma> i type "linux-amd64" in "adept manager" and i get a few returns...is that what i pick to put with "debootstrap ....." where the dots are
[05:26] <Blacken> The only reason I'm running 6.06 is because I didn't have a 6.10 disc around when I was reinstalling today.
[05:27] <claydoh> morghanphoenix: got it backwards
[05:27] <en1gma> !debootstrap en1gma
[05:27] <ubotu> debootstrap: Bootstrap a basic Debian system. In component main, is extra. Version <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 47 kB, installed size 240 kB
[05:27] <fyrmedic> Are there any better GUI based email apps rather than kmail that work well with pop mail in KDE
[05:27] <abattoir> !adept crash fix
[05:27] <claydoh> sudo addgrp group newmember
[05:27] <ubotu> If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[05:27] <Hawkwind> fyrmedic: thunderbird ?
[05:27] <Blacken> fyrmedic: Evolution isn't bad. It's GTK based, but it's pretty useful.
[05:27] <abattoir> mabreaux: tried that^^^ ?
[05:27] <Hawkwind> fyrmedic: There is also evolution if you have Gnome installed
[05:27] <en1gma> what are the choices that "debootstrap" can use
[05:27] <en1gma> is it kernel choices
[05:27] <ep> where's the help file for tweaking firefox, middle click to paste url single click to select url etc.
[05:27] <en1gma> or distro choices
[05:27] <en1gma> or what
[05:28] <abattoir> Hawkwind: did mabreaux try fuser ?
[05:28] <fyrmedic> Hawkwind: I'm investigating t-bird, but I am not so impressed yet
[05:28] <unix_infidel> fyrmedic: evolution is pretty full featured and the only suite i know of besides wine+Outlook that does exchange.
[05:28] <Hawkwind> abattoir: I'm not sure, I don't think so though
[05:28] <fyrmedic> will evolution work if I don't have gnome installed?
[05:28] <abattoir> Hawkwind: he's getting the database locked message right?
[05:28] <Blacken> fyrmedic: It should install the libraries it needs.
[05:28] <Hawkwind> ep: Not sure what you are asking, but in the URL bar you can type  about:config  to get some really good info
[05:28] <Hawkwind> abattoir: Yes
[05:29] <unix_infidel> fyrmedic: it wont install gnome-desktop only the needed libs and gtk stuff.
[05:29] <abattoir> mabreaux: try that command that ubotu posted
[05:29] <Hawkwind> fyrmedic: sudo apt-get install evolution and as Blacken said, it'll install what it needs to run and work
[05:29] <abattoir> !adept crash fix > mabreaux
[05:29] <fyrmedic> awesome thanks guys....
[05:29] <Kr4t05> Well, I'm convinced that I can't compile a kernel to save my life.
[05:29] <fyrmedic> I will give evo a try
[05:29] <unix_infidel> fyrmedic: its not pretty, but it works.
[05:29] <ubuntu_> HI
[05:29] <Hawkwind> Kr4t05: Have you tried using the script that is posted at the bottom of my how-to ?
[05:30] <Hawkwind> Evolution is pretty to some.  Depends on your definition of 'pretty'
[05:30] <ep> Hawkwind: where's your howto?
[05:30] <Blacken> unix_infidel: You think not? I run it under KDE using the Geramik GTK package, and it looks pretty nice...
[05:30] <Kr4t05> Hawkwind: Meh...
[05:30] <Hawkwind> ep: How-to for what exactly ?
[05:30] <Hawkwind> ep: I have a whole forum of them at http://LinuxForDummies.org/   :)
[05:31] <ep> yeah that one
[05:31] <unix_infidel> Blacken: i use gmail web interface and outlook+dropmyrights...never used a linux client that i liked.
[05:32] <Blacken> unix_infidel: Yeah, I use GMail most of the time.  :P
[05:34] <mattg> im trying to do an apt-get intall but nz.archive.ubuntu.com is down. So how do i switch to another server?
[05:34] <abattoir> mattg: just change/remove the nz bit
[05:35] <mattg> where's the conf file though?
[05:35] <abattoir> mattg: can be something like us.archive.ubuntu.com or just plain archive.ubuntu.com
[05:35] <Hawkwind> mattg: /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:35] <mattg> ok, thanks
[05:35] <abattoir> bleh, beat me to it :P
[05:35] <Hawkwind> Heh
[05:38] <markc> anyone tried kopete with gtalk ?
[05:38] <Blacken> Hm, has kdevelop gotten any better as of late? Last time I used it (~3 years ago) it was painfully clunky and hard to use.
[05:38] <en1gma> it looks like the command "debootstra xxxxxx" wants an --arch does it dlaod from kernel.org or is there an address just for kubuntu that lists its arches
[05:39] <abattoir> markc: Gtalk is just jabber, so kopete handles it well :)
[05:39] <markc> abattoir: I guess I need to rtfm how to connect then... thanks... I'll persist
[05:39] <abattoir> markc: if you want 'voice' support too, its provided by kopete, but its not available in the kubuntu packages
[05:40] <markc> abattoir: excellent... coming soon no doubt
[05:40] <abattoir> markc: its simple, Create a new Jabber a/c in kopete, enter your ID and password, change server from gmail.com to talk.google.com, enable SSL, and you are good to go :)
[05:41] <abattoir> markc: i'm not sure of that though
[05:41] <markc> abattoir: ah, is that it... talk.google.com... thanks again :)
[05:41] <abattoir> yes, gmail.com as server will not work
[05:43] <mattg> markc: abbattoir: I changed my sources.list file and saved it but how do i "restart" it because it's still trying to access nz.archive.ubuntu.com
[05:43] <Hawkwind> mattg: sudo apt-get update
[05:44] <markc> abattoir: sorry, never used kopete before... do I create a new account as<EMAIL_ADDRESS>? (how do I select which server to use)
[05:44] <abattoir> markc: Settings->Configure Kopete
[05:44] <mattg> sweet as Hawkwind.
[05:45] <abattoir> markc: in the Accounts tab click on New
[05:45] <CainMadness> Trying to install a skin for XMMS player, but whenever I try to unzip the files into the urs/share/xmms/skins folder, it says I don't have permission to the folder. I don't ever recall setting permissions to it.. So how do I unlock it?
[05:45] <abattoir> markc: choose Jabber as the protocol and click next
[05:45] <ep> Whats the proper way to kill a process, i read something once, but forgot.     Isnt' there some other option to try before kill -9 app
[05:47] <abattoir> markc: there remove gmail.com and add talk.google.com
[05:48] <Hawkwind> ep: What are you trying to kill exactly ?
[05:48] <abattoir> markc: click on next... you might get a certificate error, ignore that, and you are done :)
[05:48] <markc> abatooir: that server override is what I was missing
[05:49] <ep> nothing now  Just a question I had earlier but ppl wern't in a talkative mood then :)
[05:49] <Blacken> Hm, does KDE offer a facility similar to GNOME's where you can remap the hardkeys on a laptop, multimedia keyboard, etc. to various functions?
[05:49] <Blacken> I know I can do it by hand, but would really rather not.
[05:50] <abattoir> Blacken: try Kcontrol/System Settings->Regional Accessibility->Keyboard
[05:50] <ep> Either my  keyboard is broke or I'm drunk.  Keep missin letters
[05:50] <Blacken> abattoir: Alright, thanks.
[05:50] <abattoir> aah, hardeys?
[05:50] <Blacken> abattoir: I have an Inspiron E1505.
[05:50] <Blacken> abattoir: It has the media keys on the front.
[05:50] <abattoir> Blacken: you mean the ones bound to hardware? like the monitor/touchpad of buttons?
[05:51] <abattoir> *off
[05:51] <Blacken> abattoir: Neg--these are apparently just weird keyboard scancodes. The buttons are for mute, volume up/down, play, etc.
[05:51] <abattoir> Blacken: oh ok, in Keyboard Layout, see if any Latitude model is listed under Keyboard models
[05:52] <Blacken> abattoir: Alright, lemme look.
[05:52] <abattoir> Blacken: btw are you edgy or dapper?
[05:52] <Blacken> abattoir: Dapper.
[05:52] <abattoir> oh, ok, because edgy has out-of-the-box support for these kinda buttons now
[05:53] <Blacken> abattoir: Yeah, I know...I was using edgy until it went casters up on me and I didn't have a 6.10 CD around to reinstall. I figure I can wait around for 6.10 stable to be done before upgrading again.
[05:53] <abattoir> wise choice :)
[05:54] <Blacken> Yeah, one explosion was enough.
[05:54] <abattoir> but the beta is out and edgy has been incredibly stable for some time
[05:55] <Blacken> abattoir: Yeah, and in all honesty it's not really Edgy's fault--my ext3 file system decided to implode. The AC adapter on the laptop got knocked loose while the battery wasn't in the machine...apparently Mr. Journaling Filesystem still didn't like that.
[05:56] <Blacken> I just dislike dist-upgrading...I ended up with weird cruft between Hoary and Breezy.
[05:56] <abattoir> Blacken: i've had issues like that w/ ReiserFS, so i use XFS(bust most people would say the opposite)
[05:57] <Blacken> I'd rather just save my /home directory and reinstall Edgy when it's stable, then grab what packages I've installed since.
[05:57] <Blacken> And thanks, abattoir--selecting a laptop keyboard layout worked.
[05:57] <abattoir> :)
[05:58] <Blacken> Anybody know of a way (if it's possible) to make one KDE panel transparent and not the rest?
[05:58] <abattoir> Blacken: i guess it should be possible
[05:58] <ep> Do I need a firewall?  I found this ubuntu help page where some guy says ubuntu might leave ure system wide open to script laddies.  He says to chck by doing "sudo iptables -L"
[05:58] <Blacken> abattoir: I'd think so too, but I can't find a setting.
[05:58] <abattoir> Blacken: there is a combobox at the top which decids which panel you change the settings on
[05:58] <Blacken> abattoir: Right, but it disappears when I go to "appearance".
[06:00] <Blacken> I ended up setting up my environment fairly GNOME-y, with the taskbar at the bottom and menus at the top...but I'd like to keep visible panels fairly clutter-free, so I'm trying to make an OS X-style dock.
[06:01] <Blacken> I could live without transparency, but I want it. :(
[06:01] <abattoir> Blacken: then try something like kxdocker
[06:01] <abattoir> !info kxdocker
[06:01] <ubotu> kxdocker: innovative docker for KDE that is like Mac OSX Docker. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.39-0ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 253 kB, installed size 832 kB
[06:01] <abattoir> you get a 'real' dock
[06:01] <Blacken> abattoir: Ooh, didn't know about that. Thanks!
[06:03] <morghanphoenix> is there a channel for lilo?
[06:03] <en1gma> who here uses debootstrap
[06:03] <abattoir> morghanphoenix: the boot loader?
[06:03] <morghanphoenix> yeah
[06:03] <en1gma> gosh dang i just got a couple questions
[06:03] <en1gma> thnx man you got a min?
[06:03] <Hawkwind> morghanphoenix: #Lilo
[06:04] <Hawkwind> morghanphoenix: You can always do /msg chanserv list *search-term*   with the * to find what channels you are looking for
[06:04] <abattoir> en1gma: i think he was responding to me, rather than you ;)
[06:04] <en1gma> yea
[06:04] <abattoir> en1gma: what do you need? w.r.t debootsrap?
[06:04] <en1gma> just something simple
[06:04] <abattoir> aks
[06:04] <abattoir> *ask
[06:04] <morghanphoenix> nothing from the search and it says channel lilo is invite only
[06:05] <mabreaux> adept crash: ubotu fix did not work.
[06:05] <D4rkly> how can i disable hci-usb ?
[06:05] <en1gma> im folling a guide (its about 1 year old) and it says "debootstrap breezy /target" now i dont want breezy there (i want something that matches my system) i have an amd64 x2
[06:05] <abattoir> mabreaux: what do you mean? any error messages?
[06:05] <mabreaux> database is still lock and program will not come up
[06:05] <Hawkwind> morghanphoenix: I get 11 channels by doing /msg chanserv list *lilo*
[06:05] <en1gma> where do i go to see what options i can put with "debootstrap"
[06:05] <mabreaux> adept opened in read only mode.
[06:05] <abattoir> en1gma: get dapper/edgy(the former is more recommended)
[06:05] <morghanphoenix> I'm trying to put kubuntu back on top of my slackware install
[06:06] <en1gma> i know but which edgy
[06:06] <morghanphoenix> sorry, missed the *s
[06:06] <en1gma> isnt there an edgy amd64-k8-smp
[06:06] <Hawkwind> morghanphoenix: Though #Lilo forwards to #freenode-announce which is invite only
[06:06] <mabreaux> Error message: Read Olnly mode: database locked - Adept manager.
[06:06] <en1gma> or is it just "edgy" for all systems
[06:06] <abattoir> en1gma: to be honest with you if you are new to linux, i would recommend using a 32-bit distro for now
[06:06] <en1gma> i been using slamd64 for 2 years
[06:07] <abattoir> en1gma: ok, then go for k8 in dapper
[06:07] <abattoir> i think its amd64-generic in edgy
[06:07] <en1gma> i already have edgy boot cd that im in
[06:07] <en1gma> line cd i mean
[06:07] <abattoir> alternate cd?
[06:07] <en1gma> im running edgy 6.10 amd64
[06:07] <en1gma> desktop
[06:07] <en1gma> now i want to use debootstrap edgy-amd64-k8-smp or something like that i imagine
[06:08] <morghanphoenix> if I install kubuntu and replace lilo with grub will I still have access to slackware?
[06:08] <abattoir> ok, i think the diferent kernel types were revised for edgy
[06:08] <abattoir> not sure if k8 still exists, let me check
[06:08] <morghanphoenix> boot loaders confuse me.
[06:08] <en1gma> abattoir i want that link
[06:08] <en1gma> so i can see what i can put in there
[06:08] <abattoir> en1gma: what link?
[06:08] <en1gma> [04:08]  <abattoir> not sure if k8 still exists, let me check <<<<where you check
[06:08] <Kr4t05> I don't even know why I'm compiling this kernel, it's identical to the Ubuntu one, save some small tweaks...
[06:09] <abattoir> i though of doing an 'apt-cache search' ;)
[06:09] <Hawkwind> morghanphoenix: Why do you want to change from grub to lilo anyways ?
[06:09] <abattoir> en1gma: wait i'll go to p.u.c then
[06:09] <en1gma> :)
[06:09] <en1gma> k
[06:09] <morghanphoenix> I have lilo allready, I'm about to install kubuntu on my slackware system
[06:09] <Blacken> Kubuntu should recognize Slackware and leave it alone, I'd think?
[06:10] <Blacken> It may install GRUB over LILO, which wouldn't exactly be a travesty...
[06:10] <en1gma> lol
[06:10] <en1gma> i like lilo
[06:10] <en1gma> :)
[06:10] <morghanphoenix> can you slow down grub so you have a chance to choose your boot?
[06:10] <Blacken> Why's that?
[06:10] <en1gma> its so ez to use
[06:11] <mabreaux> what can I do about this lock database.
[06:11] <morghanphoenix> Lilo at least gives me more than 2 sec to hit a key
[06:11] <en1gma> :)
[06:11] <Blacken> morghanphoenix: That's all configurable.
[06:11] <Blacken> mabreaux: You've been given the answer repeatedly...
[06:11] <D4rkly> im trying to use my bluetooth usb dongle in vmware but vmware says the device is in use by the host hci_usb. how can i disable the device in kubuntu ?
[06:11] <SillyZ> evening yall
[06:11] <en1gma> lilo can install to floppy too
[06:11] <Hawkwind> morghanphoenix: Of course you can
[06:11] <en1gma> which means you dont even have to out a bootloader on your h
[06:11] <Hawkwind> morghanphoenix: Just edit your /boot/grub/menu.lst file accordingly
[06:11] <en1gma> hd*
[06:12] <mabreaux> and I tried it and it did not work.
[06:12] <morghanphoenix> Okay, I like slackware, but I don't know it well enough yet to get all the functionality I had with kubuntu, and that damn manual is confusing as all hell.
[06:13] <en1gma> ill tell you what im glad im going from slackware to kubuntu and not the other way around
[06:13] <mabreaux> I ran the command and the base is still locked.  I ran the fuser command and the dpkg command and both did not work
[06:14] <en1gma> abattoir you find it?
[06:14] <abattoir> en1gma: be patient :P
[06:14] <claydoh> did you search and delete any files called 'lock' anywhere in /usr?
[06:14] <Blacken> mabreaux: Like I said--a reboot /should/ fix it. But beware, it's "Windows" behavior.
[06:14] <abattoir> en1gma: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=linux-image&searchon=names&subword=1&version=edgy&release=main
[06:14] <claydoh> rebooting won't always remove the lock files
[06:14] <abattoir> en1gma: scroll down, you'd see -k8 has been obsoleted
[06:15] <Blacken> claydoh: Never failed for me. Worth a try.
[06:15] <claydoh> having fought with them before
[06:15] <abattoir> en1gma: so there really is only one kernel type available for amd64
[06:15] <en1gma> i dont see it yet
[06:16] <en1gma> just "edgy" ?
[06:17] <mabreaux> can I manually remover the lock files?
[06:18] <en1gma> abattoir im not understanding...if i wanted that " linux-image-2.6.17-10-generic" how would i put that with "debootstrap"
[06:18] <claydoh> notice that any k7, 686, etc kernels are no longer there, edgy has fewr kernels
[06:18] <en1gma> i know
[06:18] <en1gma> why in the hell wouldnt there be an i686 arch
[06:18] <en1gma> all i386
[06:18] <en1gma> oh this is bad
[06:19] <abattoir> en1gma: you dont need to put anything special for a kernel, you only get one
[06:19] <abattoir> en1gma: because i think it was decided that the performance difference between them was actually very minimal
[06:20] <en1gma> yea but i386
[06:20] <en1gma> i686 has sse3
[06:20] <en1gma> and so much more
[06:21] <mabreaux> adept crash:  Reboot did not release the file.   can I manually remover the lock file?
[06:21] <claydoh> yes
[06:21] <en1gma> [04:19]  <abattoir> en1gma: because i think it was decided that the performance difference between them was actually very minimal <<<<ive tested the diff in slamd64 (im pretty sure its all i686 for the x64
[06:21] <mabreaux> where is adept lock file located.
[06:21] <en1gma> ther is a noticable diff
[06:21] <ep> Can I get a list of all the packages  I presenlty have presently installed and pipe them to file I can use for future refererence?
[06:21] <en1gma> abattoir thanks for that link at least now i know what goes with debootstrap
[06:22] <Hawkwind> !adept lock file
[06:22] <claydoh> use the search in the main menu, search for 'lock' in var/
[06:22] <ubotu> adept: package manager for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 3752 kB, installed size 10988 kB
[06:22] <Hawkwind> Ermmm
[06:22] <Hawkwind> abattoir: What was that fact ?
[06:22] <abattoir> !adept crash fix
[06:22] <ubotu> If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[06:22] <en1gma> continuing on with guide
[06:22] <claydoh> er/var
[06:22] <hunter> hi
[06:22] <Hawkwind> abattoir: Thanks :P
[06:22] <abattoir> en1gma: afaik, you dont need to specify a kernel type when you use debootstrap
[06:22] <abattoir> en1gma: what are you actually trying to do?
[06:22] <abattoir> Hawkwind: np :)
[06:24] <claydoh> there may be more than one lock file, you will want to substitute the path to any if there are more than one in the command ubotu gave
[06:24] <abattoir> ep: 'dpkg -l | grep ^ii > name of file'
[06:24] <abattoir> ep: obv. change name of file...
[06:28] <TehKewl1> how do I set it up so I can compile stuff?
[06:28] <ep> abattoir: thanks
[06:28] <abattoir> !b-e
[06:28] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[06:28] <abattoir> ep: no problem :)
[06:31] <en1gma> abattoir trying to install kubuntu on a fake-raid with 4 sata drives in a raid0 stripe with 2 partitions (1for windows and 1 for linux0
[06:32] <en1gma> instead of dloading it all i wish it could of just read my cd
[06:32] <en1gma> my god i got to dload it all again?
[06:32] <en1gma> lol
[06:32] <abattoir> so you are doing it through a chroot?
[06:32] <tristanmike> after adding the apt line for amarok 1.4.3, what do I do to install it ? remove the old amarok first then install the new one, or "apt-get upgrade" will do ?
[06:33] <abattoir> tristanmike: apt-get upgrade should do
[06:33] <tristanmike> thought so, thanx abattoir
[06:33] <abattoir> :)
[06:37] <en1gma> yep chroot
[06:38] <cpk1> trying to mount an iso i made from a .mdf but mount is giving me "mount: not a directory"
[06:39] <mabreaux> I guess I re-install the os and delete adept or does any one have a way to unlock adept?
[06:39] <tristanmike> abattoir: "The following packages have been kept back: amarok  amarok-xine"
[06:39] <cpk1> mabreaux: kill adept
[06:39] <mabreaux> how
[06:40] <cpk1> sudo killall adept
[06:40] <Kr4t05> mabreaux: run from the terminal "killall -9 adept"
[06:40] <en1gma> anyone know why this line dont work "apt-get install ubuntu-base ubuntu-desktop"
[06:41] <mabreaux> adept: no process killed
[06:41] <en1gma> god this guide isnt that old
[06:41] <en1gma> what did kubunto go and do? change the whole distro?
[06:41] <mabreaux> does anyone know where adept keeps it lock file.
[06:42] <cpk1> en1gma: you need to do it as sudo
[06:42] <en1gma> im root
[06:42] <cpk1> mabreaux: you need to kill the adept proc
[06:42] <zerozero> whats the latest kernel build for kununtu?
[06:43] <Kr4t05> 2.6.17-10
[06:43] <en1gma> <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:43] <zerozero> thank you
[06:43] <mabreaux> adept is not running killall -9 adept showed nothing.
[06:43] <zerozero> anyone runningn that version?
[06:44] <en1gma> i wish someone would go over that guide and put the right commands for todays kubuntu distro
[06:44] <cpk1> i never liked killall
[06:44] <en1gma> i cant very well follow a guide that has outdated command
[06:44] <en1gma> s
[06:44] <cpk1> look for adept in ps aux
[06:44] <en1gma> i dont even know where to begin to look for what it wants
[06:44] <en1gma> cause its not there anymore
[06:44] <cpk1> en1gma: what are you trying to do?
[06:46] <en1gma> follow this guide
[06:46] <en1gma> get my raid0 stripe array (fake-raid)
[06:46] <en1gma> working
[06:46] <en1gma> and install kubuntu
[06:46] <en1gma> so i can boot
[06:47] <en1gma> i got me a good guide i gues things have changed alot in a year
[06:47] <en1gma> what was apt-get install ubuntu-base ubuntu-desktop is now what
[06:47] <en1gma> i want kubuntu dont forget
[06:47] <en1gma> thats just out of the guide
[06:48] <cpk1> it might just be a meta package like ubuntu
[06:48] <Hawkwind> zerozero: That version you were told is only in Edgy, not in Dapper
[06:48] <cpk1> what does ubuntu have to do with making raid work?
[06:48] <tristanmike> Hi, I'm trying to upgrade my amarok but it won't let me, can someone spare a minute ?
[06:48] <en1gma> root@ubuntu:/# apt-get install ubuntu [06:49] <en1gma> i need to install it
[06:49] <ep> What happens when apt-get idols with Connecting to us.archive.ubuntu.com (<IP_ADDRESS>) ... Does it eventually time out?  Will I have to ctrl-c out of it?
[06:49] <Hawkwind> en1gma: You need to install what ?
[06:49] <en1gma> kubuntu
[06:49] <en1gma> i doing a chroot isntall
[06:49] <en1gma> kinda
[06:49] <Hawkwind> !chroot
[06:49] <ubotu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot use this to build 32 bit environments on a 64 bit box
[06:49] <en1gma> i dont need that
[06:49] <en1gma> i have a guide
[06:50] <Hawkwind> ep: It'll time out eventually.  It's best to not ctrl-c a package manager like that as it will possibly lock the database
[06:50] <en1gma> i mean do you think someone who cant even get to the desktop of kubuntu is gonna go read /debootstrap /chroot /apt-get /dmraid etc.....before they even get there
[06:50] <en1gma> i have a guide
[06:50] <en1gma> and im following it
[06:51] <en1gma> and something has changed
[06:51] <cpk1> need help mounting an .iso got this error "mount: not a directory"
[06:52] <en1gma> can you give me the links so i can also see how that dir structure is i guess so i can enter it into this command "apt-get install ubuntu-base ubuntu-desktop"
[06:52] <en1gma> i need to give it what it wants
[06:52] <en1gma> kubuntu has to be a girl cause it sure does expect alot
[06:52] <en1gma> ;)
[06:52] <ep> ah thanks for the info  fortunely it connected and completed.   Btw i fixed a locked database earlier ;)
[06:54] <en1gma> hello can someone tell me what i am supposed to use instead of ubuntu-base ubuntu-desktop
[06:54] <en1gma> it has changed evedently
[06:54] <en1gma> evidently*
[06:55] <Hawkwind> cpk1: To mount an ISO image so that you can view/copy files to/from it, use the following command: mount -o loop -t iso9660 /full/path/to/foo.iso /mnt/some/mount/point/you/created
[06:55] <en1gma> do you understand i dont even know what ubunto-base is
[06:55] <en1gma> i know ill goto #ubuntu brb
[06:56] <cpk1> Hawkwind: do the option have to go first?
[06:57] <Hawkwind> cpk1: Probably not, but it's best to follow it exactly as it states
[06:57] <der_steppenwolf> hi, someone uses limewire?
[06:58] <Hawkwind> Lots of people probably use it.....if you have a question about it, might try just asking :)
[06:59] <Burninat0r> quick question, if i can run a program as a daemon by running 'foo --daemon' is there a way to make that program autostart when i boot?
[06:59] <der_steppenwolf> well, i am behind a firewall but now i use the vpn of my university. I have configured a port in limewire manually, and with telnet i can connect to it, but limewire can't establish a connection
[07:00] <Burninat0r> i tried making desktop shortcuts and copying them to ~/.kde/autostart and it works, but it acts like its trying to start a kde program and times out, but it does start the daemon, but i would like it to do this silently.
[07:00] <cpk1> Hawkwind: that still gives me the same error =\
[07:00] <der_steppenwolf> Limewire does not detect a firewall now, but can't still connect
[07:00] <Hawkwind> cpk1: Did you create a directory ?
[07:01] <cpk1> yes i created on in /mnt
[07:01] <Hawkwind> cpk1: What did you create ?
[07:01] <SyckPuppi> Oracle on Kubuntu? Flies, walks or crawls?
[07:01] <cpk1> /mnt/war
[07:01] <Hawkwind> cpk1: So you did:  sudo mount -o loop -t iso9660 /path/to/file.iso /mnt/war   ?
[07:01] <mabreaux> how do you uninstall adept?
[07:02] <tristanmike> if I have libvisual0.2 and install libvisual0.4, will that cause conflicts ?
[07:02] <Hawkwind> mabreaux: Why not just leave it installed incase you need it at some point
[07:02] <Hawkwind> !info libvisual
[07:02] <Blacken> Anyone familiar with VMware under Linux?
[07:02] <ubotu> Package libvisual does not exist in any distro I know
[07:02] <Hawkwind> !info libvisual0.4
[07:02] <ubotu> Package libvisual0.4 does not exist in any distro I know
[07:02] <tristanmike> you lie ubotu
[07:02] <Hawkwind> !find libvisual
[07:02] <ubotu> Found: libvisual0.2, libvisual0.2-dev, libvisual0.2-plugins
[07:02] <tristanmike> hahahaa
[07:02] <Hawkwind> 0.4 isn't for dapper
[07:03] <tristanmike> I know, I'm trying to install the newest amarok
[07:03] <Hawkwind> !info libvisual0.4 edgy
[07:03] <ubotu> Package libvisual0.4 does not exist in edgy
[07:03] <mabreaux> because I am tired of re-install the os to fix adept locked data base and this is number 5. today
[07:03] <cpk1> Hawkwind: yes i did
[07:03] <Hawkwind> tristanmike: What version of amarok ?
[07:03] <tristanmike> 1.4.3
[07:04] <Blacken> Hrm--is there a KDE version of xmms out there? I like xmms and dislike Amarok, but would like to integrate it into the KDE environment.
[07:04] <cpk1> Hawkwind: does it make a difference that i made this iso from a mdf?
[07:04] <Hawkwind> tristanmike: You don't need libvisual0.4 for 1.4.3
[07:04] <mabreaux> a lot of good people here and great advice but no luck on unlocking the adept database.
[07:04] <Hawkwind> cpk1: Possibly
[07:04] <tristanmike> Hawkwind: according to synaptic I do
[07:04] <Hawkwind> mabreaux: We've told you how to unlock it
[07:04] <Hawkwind> tristanmike: sudo apt-get install amarok
[07:05] <tristanmike> Hawkwind: default amarok is 1.3.9, I'm trying to install the new packages provided by J.Riddel
[07:05] <Hawkwind> tristanmike: I realize that.  I have them installed and don't have libvisual0.4 installed
[07:05] <mabreaux> I have done every thing all of you have suggested and the base is still locked.
[07:05] <tristanmike> Hawkwind "The following packages have been kept back: amarok  amarok-xine"
[07:05] <cpk1> mabreaux: have you looked at "ps aux"
[07:05] <mabreaux> is some case, attempted more than once
[07:06] <Hawkwind> tristanmike: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade   see if that updates it or not
[07:06] <mabreaux> I have used "ps aux | grep adept
[07:06] <Hawkwind> tristanmike: If not, try a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:06] <tristanmike> Hawkwind: I get the error above for both, untill I add the dapper backports
[07:06] <Hawkwind> tristanmike: Yeah, backports is needed for the newest amarok packages
[07:06] <cpk1> and did it have anything besides the notifier?
[07:07] <tristanmike> Hawkwind: because it depends on libvisual0.4.0
[07:07] <tristanmike> 0.4-0
[07:07] <Hawkwind> tristanmike: It doesn't here
[07:08] <tristanmike> weird....
[07:08] <KDEfanboy> mabreaux: tried? : rm /var/lib/apt/lists/lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock
[07:08] <tristanmike> perhaps since I already installed it for the visualizations, it sees that it needs it
[07:08] <tristanmike> for the default amarok that is
[07:08] <mabreaux> did not try that one.
[07:09] <tristanmike> I don't know what to tell you other than it's telling me i need it
[07:09] <Hawkwind> tristanmike: Is libvisual-0.4-0 installed currently ?
[07:09] <tristanmike> no, libvisual0.2 is installed
[07:09] <cpk1> i have the same problem with amarok
[07:09] <Hawkwind> tristanmike: sudo apt-get -f install  ?
[07:09] <tristanmike> I just want to know if they'll conflict
[07:09] <Hawkwind> tristanmike: No they won't conflict
[07:09] <tristanmike> thank you
[07:10] <cpk1> you cant apt get libvisual-0.4-0 either
[07:10] <Hawkwind> cpk1: Yes you can
[07:10] <tristanmike> cpk1: you need the backports line
[07:10] <Hawkwind> Come to find out, I actually have both installed
[07:10] <tristanmike> cpk1: deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[07:10] <Hawkwind> I was searching for libvisual-0.4.0 instead of 0.4-0
[07:11] <tristanmike> Hawkwind: no doubt you do because amarok 1.4.3 depends on it
[07:11] <tristanmike> sheesh
[07:11] <Blacken> Hm, on second thought, amaroK works okay...is there a desktop widget like in GNOME to control the program without popping it open?
[07:11] <Blacken> I'd like to fix it to my top panel.
[07:11] <Hawkwind> tristanmike: Heh yeah.  Always helps if I search for the right package :)
[07:11] <tristanmike> Hawkwind: usually does :P
[07:12] <Ashex> I'm having some issues setting up a dual monitor on my desktop
[07:12] <Hawkwind> Ashex: Using Nvidia or ATI ?
[07:12] <Ashex> when i set it to do dual (extended), it makes the screen larger then the monitors
[07:12] <Ashex> Hawkwind, nvidia
[07:12] <Ashex> but with clone, it works fine
[07:12] <ubuntu> test
[07:12] <Hawkwind> Ashex: You wanting TwinView(one large desktop ?
[07:13] <Ashex> Hawkwind, yuppers
[07:13] <Hawkwind> Ashex: What resolution are your two monitors that you're using ?
[07:13] <Ashex> one is 1280x1024, the other ios 1024x768
[07:13] <Hawkwind> Ashex: http://SeerOfSouls.com/miscfiles/xorg.conf
[07:13] <tristanmike> YUK, amarok 1.4.3 is ugly  :P
[07:13] <Hawkwind> Ashex: That is my xorg.conf file using TwinView.  You'll have to edit the resolution line though as mine are both 1024x768
[07:14] <Ashex> Hawkwind, thanks :D
[07:14] <Hawkwind> Ashex: No problems :)
[07:14] <tristanmike> that welcome message is nice though, lol, I'll stop posting now  :P  thanx again Hawkwind
[07:15] <Hawkwind> tristanmike: You're welcome
[07:15] <Ashex> ha, same video card too
[07:15] <Hawkwind> Ashex: Hah nope.  I have an FX5200 actually.  I got my xorg.conf from a friend who has the 6600 IIRC
[07:15] <Ashex> You cheater :(
[07:16] <Hawkwind> Ashex: Heh, as long as it works, call me what you will :)
[07:16] <Ashex> true dat
[07:19] <unix_infidel> 6600gt
[07:21] <cpk1> i think i might have found something, it is trying to loop with /dev/loop0 which i dont have, should I go ahead and make it?
[07:21] <Ashex> awesome
[07:22] <Ashex> Hawkwind, works great
[07:22] <Hawkwind> Ashex: :)
[07:23] <Ashex> yay twinview with big screens!!!
[07:24] <Blacken> Anyone familiar with customizing WINE?
[07:24] <Hawkwind> Blacken: The guys in #WineHQ and/or #Cedega certainly are
[07:26] <cpk2> is it /nickserv identify?
[07:26] <tristanmike> with pass, yeah
[07:26] <cpk2> /nickserv identify
[07:26] <Hawkwind> cpk2: /msg nickserv identify <password>
[07:26] <tristanmike> cpk2: /msg nickserv
[07:26] <cpk2> oops
[07:26] <cpk2> good thing i didnt do my password
[07:26] <Blacken> Hunh, didn't realize that was on freenode. Thanks, Hawkwind.
[07:27] <Hawkwind> cpk2: Or if you use Xchat 2.6.4 or newer, /id <password>
[07:27] <Hawkwind> Blacken: Hard to find any project that doesn't have a channel here on Freenode
[07:27] <Blacken> Hawkwind: Probably true. I don't use IRC much. Never did, before I installed Ubuntu and it came with it.
[07:28] <Hawkwind> Ah, you'll be addicted in a month like the rest of us :P
[07:30] <cpk2> is there a command to see if you are identified or not?
[07:30] <Blacken> Hawkwind: I'm a bigger fan of mailing lists. The instantaneous nature of IRC is nice, though, especially for tech support.
[07:33] <CainMadness> Trying to install a skin for XMMS, but the skins folder for it is registered to user/group of root. How do I change it to me, so I can put skins into that folder?
[07:33] <bobbyz> Anyone in here familiar with how pcmciautils works?  I'm having a heck of a time getting my dwl-650 rev. p. wireless b card working with it.  I think I've narrowed the problem down to the hostap_cs.c kernel source file not having the proper product ID info for my card, but is there any way to add this info to a config file for pcmciautils, or do I need to patch the hostap_cs.c file and recompile the module?
[07:34] <cpk2> CainMadness: i might be wrong but i think chown CainMadness.cainmadness /this/is/where/xmms/skins/are
[07:36] <CainMadness> Let me give it a try, then I'll tell you.
[07:36] <CainMadness> The CainMadness.cainmadness part is the nick and pass I'm using, right?
[07:38] <cpk2> no its all the nick
[07:38] <cpk2> needs to be done as sudo
[07:38] <cpk2> accountname.accountname
[07:38] <CainMadness> Ah.
[07:38] <bmo> alo
[07:39] <cpk2> oh, maybe its a colon not a period
[07:39] <bmo> cpk2, I thought of something, and I was wrong about etc deserving of its own partition
[07:39] <CainMadness> Said operation not permitted.
[07:39] <cpk2> bmo: dont worry i figured it out already =)
[07:39] <cpk2> CainMadness: you need to use sudo
[07:39] <bmo> making etc on its own partition creates a paradox
[07:40] <bmo> esp when it comes to fstab
[07:40] <bmo> cpk2 did you have better luck?
[07:40] <CainMadness> cpk2: Worked. Thank you.
[07:41] <cpk2> bmo: i couldnt even finish mounting root dir, it asked for an init lvl and keyboard hadnt been loaded in yet
[07:41] <bmo> cpk2: ouch
[07:44] <pielgrzym> is there a script file which is executed on user login? I want to set up a symlink on each logon :)
[07:46] <bmo> jeepers, karma is a bitch... yacht karma seems to be really bad.  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cornwall/5371052.stm
[07:47] <bmo> pielgrzym what do you mean set up a symlink on each logon?
[07:47] <pielgrzym> a symbolic link
[07:47] <pielgrzym> just to have a directory 'music' in my home directory
[07:48] <bmo> oh
[07:48] <pielgrzym> whereas music is really located in /music :)
[07:48] <bmo> do you want the gui version or the command line version?
[07:48] <pielgrzym> gui version? I only know the 'ln' command :)
[07:49] <bmo> gui way: open konqueror.  split window into 2 panes.  navigate to / on one pane, home dir on second pane.  right-click drag /music to home dir.  say "make link here"
[07:49] <pielgrzym> since it's impossible to create a hard link to directory, isn't it? :)
[07:51] <pielgrzym> bmo: but such link won't survive the restart, will it? :)
[07:51] <bmo> it will
[07:51] <pielgrzym> aa
[07:51] <pielgrzym> great :)
[07:51] <bmo> it will make a symbolic link
[07:51] <pielgrzym> I thought symbolic links die after restart :)
[07:51] <bmo> as if you used ln -s
[07:51] <bmo> no
[07:52] <bmo> they don't
[07:52] <pielgrzym> what's the difference in real and in symbolic links than? :)
[07:52] <bmo> I'm not sure,  I should look, eh?
[07:53] <pielgrzym> don't bother :) thanks for help :)
[07:53] <en1gma> where did freos go
[07:53] <bmo> http://www.wellho.net/mouth/334_Symbolic-links-and-hard-links.html
[07:53] <jtholmes> cpk2  did is miss you last question i closed the tab
[07:54] <cpk2> how do i set /mnt back to drwxr-xr-x
[07:54] <bmo> hard links point to inodes, symbolic links don't
[07:54] <bmo> that's the diff
[07:54] <jtholmes> cpk2  chmod  755  /mnt
[07:54] <jtholmes> cpk2 and  war the same way
[07:55] <cpk2> thanks!
[07:56] <pielgrzym> bmo: thanks :)
[08:00] <dive-o> Hey, I have kubuntu installed on the 2nd partition of my first SATA drive - everything was working great, until I added two more drives, now it'll start booting, but hangs at something like "Waiting for root device" - any pointers?
[08:04] <pielgrzym> dive-o: you use lilo or grub?
[08:04] <dive-o> grub
[08:04] <Arlington> mornin! i also have freeze roblem...
[08:04] <pielgrzym> dive-o: are you on linux now?
[08:04] <dive-o> no, I'm on winXP now, because linux doesn't get any further than "Waiting for root filesystem"
[08:04] <dive-o> I have NetBSD handy if you need a *nix though
[08:05] <pielgrzym> it seems that attaching new hd change drive arrangement :)
[08:05] <Arlington> my comp freezez when i try to reboot/trunoff/change user
[08:05] <pielgrzym> try logging into console
[08:05] <pielgrzym> the grub console
[08:05] <Arlington> me
[08:05] <Arlington> ?
[08:05] <pielgrzym> or else
[08:05] <dive-o> pielgrzym: sure, by using the 2nd and 3rd controllers? if that kills ubuntu, that's not a bug in hardware.
[08:06] <Arlington> whay should i do in the grub console?
[08:06] <pielgrzym> go intu grub and try changing the root parameter in startup script :) it should help :)
[08:06] <pielgrzym> Arlington: I talked to dive-o :)
[08:06] <Arlington> aaah okey.
[08:06] <dive-o> what exactly should I do from the grub cmdline?
[08:06] <dive-o> I don't have the path to my kernel memorized :-)
[08:06] <pielgrzym> you have a grub menu?
[08:06] <dive-o> yeah, and I get the kubuntu splash screen
[08:07] <dive-o> but windows XP is the only menu entry that works :-P
[08:07] <pielgrzym> highlight the kubuntu load up option and press 'e'
[08:07] <pielgrzym> you will see a script that loads kubuntu
[08:07] <dive-o> yeah