[05:21] <craigbrash> morning all :)
[06:19] <Kilos> helloo africa
[07:45] <elacheche> Morning Africa.. Didn't forget about the map.. It's just that I don't have Internet @home this week..
[08:03] <elacheche> Forget to ping you Kilos :) hey!
[08:03] <Kilos> hi elacheche
[08:04] <elacheche> >> Morning Africa.. Didn't forget about the map.. It's just that I don't have Internet @home this week..
[08:04] <Kilos> you were needed last night to help ghana start a new loco
[08:09] <elacheche> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
[08:09] <elacheche> :'(
[08:09] <Kilos> they will be back
[08:09] <elacheche> Don't let them go away, keep them in here until you/they'll find me here by night :)
[08:09] <Kilos> keep eyes open for stevdok
[08:10] <elacheche> OK :)
[08:10] <Kilos> ty
[08:22] <Kilos> elacheche  see here too
[08:22] <Kilos> ronaldm  is from zim i think
[08:22] <Kilos> sorry ronaldm i forget things too easy
[08:26] <elacheche> hey ronaldm :)
[08:28] <ronaldm> elacheche: how are you?
[08:28] <Kilos> ronaldm  he is in tunisia
[08:28] <ronaldm> Kilos: yes I am from Zim, based in Zim
[08:35] <elacheche> Am ok thank you ronaldm :) u?
[08:35] <ronaldm> elacheche: I am doing great, thanks
[10:20] <zxsinclair> hi, sorry this thing called "life" has kept me off irc for quite a few dasy
[10:20] <zxsinclair> days
[10:21] <Kilos> np zxsinclair everyone has the same prob
[10:22] <zxsinclair> kilos: yes work, kids and whatnot. And down here restricted internet, powercuts and bla bla bal
[10:22] <Kilos> yeah that sounds familiar
[10:23] <Kilos> hehe
[10:24] <craigbrash> don't worry Kilos after a few years of load shedding you will have all you need to get by :)
[10:25] <Kilos> hahaha im looking at other power options
[10:25] <Kilos> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2vF--q3swQ&feature=youtu.be&t=8m53s
[10:27] <Kilos> so lots of work
[10:28] <zxsinclair> guys, you come to Zim or Zambia or Malawi.. where we can easy go w/o power for more than 24 hours at a time
[10:28] <Kilos> whew
[10:28] <zxsinclair> I kind of laugh when I see SA cry about loadshedding
[10:28] <Kilos> make your own
[10:28] <Kilos> lol
[10:29] <Kilos> many peeps are investing in solar panels and other things but thats beyond my means so i have to build something
[10:30] <zxsinclair> kilo: we are totally together on that one. this morning my son (12) asked "how much is solar panels". Guess why
[10:31] <Kilos> gaming
[10:31] <Kilos> look at that video, that guy says he has it worked out , working from teslas designs
[10:33] <Kilos> he works things from a radio frequency he generates
[10:41] <zxsinclair> I would love one of those Tesla home units
[10:41] <Kilos> yeah but very costly man
[10:41] <Kilos> power wall
[10:42] <Kilos> family peeps cant afford that
[10:44] <Kilos> you guys must have electrical technicians there, get some of them involved in building and experimenting
[10:44] <Kilos> ill give all the links i have
[10:45] <Kilos> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJDretlCt8g
[10:45] <Kilos> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e9XnP0jI38
[10:45] <Kilos> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZ7I9XgaW3A
[10:50] <zxsinclair> you can find it all here, it is "only" a matter of mula/money
[11:11] <Kilos> eish
[11:44] <zxsinclair> :kilo
[11:44] <zxsinclair> kilos of money ;.)
[11:44] <Kilos> haha
[11:45] <Kilos> we also say whats money?
[11:48] <zxsinclair> one day will be one day ;-) I do watch SABC 1-3 though not supposed to from here
[11:50] <Kilos> ah
[11:56] <zxsinclair> :Kilos sorry this IRC gives me headaches cause am not on it often enough to rember shortcuts
[11:57] <zxsinclair> :ki
[11:57] <Kilos> lol
[11:57] <zxsinclair> :Kilos think am getting back to it now
[11:57] <Kilos> what shortcuts do you want to use
[11:57] <Kilos> use a proper irc client
[11:57] <Kilos> oh you mean the ctcp thing
[11:58] <zxsinclair> :Kilos I can use Quassel or Konversation, I prefer Quassel. Am a Kubuntu guy
[11:58] <Kilos> i use konversation
[11:59] <zxsinclair> what time did you set the meet for?
[12:00] <Kilos> 8.30 pm
[12:00] <zxsinclair> could be tricky for me (house/family chores) but will try
[12:01] <Kilos> yeah same here with our guys but most have family stuff and supper done by then
[12:01] <Kilos> its our first meet so we can decide at the meetring if a bit later will be better
[12:10] <Kilos> hi Na3iL
[12:10] <zxsinclair> normally we should be done by then (@home)
[12:10] <Kilos> good
[12:11] <Kilos> oh elacheche you were gonna fix that wiki page
[12:11] <Kilos> where i added ideas
[12:14] <elacheche> :D No one work on it yet?!!!  :D
[16:16] <Kilos> rofl
[16:16] <Na3iL> LOL elacheche xD
[16:17] <Kilos> well Na3iL if you game to do it then great
[16:17] <elacheche> Na3iL, Afrikin & zulu too ;) :D Kilos How many languages do we use in Africa?!! :D
[16:17] <Kilos> there will b a button with options right?
[16:17] <Kilos> dont start on languages
[16:18] <Kilos> there are 11 in south africa
[16:18] <Kilos> 3 main ones
[16:18] <elacheche> :D Bad idea Na3iL :D
[16:18] <elacheche> Kilos, check this for the switch thing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TunisianTeam
[16:18] <Kilos> we need to have it for the rest of africa
[16:18] <Kilos> everyone in south africa does english at school
[16:19] <Na3iL> yup but I think we begin with 3 or 4 languages at least
[16:19] <Kilos> english and french are a must
[16:19]  * elacheche really need to go home now x) :D See you x)
[16:19] <Kilos> i dont know how many countries use arabic
[16:19] <Na3iL> take care elacheche
[16:19] <Kilos> go safe la
[16:19] <Kilos> elacheche
[16:20] <Kilos> thos first three will be good Na3iL
[16:20] <Na3iL> well, then I'll begin with frensh
[16:20] <Kilos> french
[16:21] <Kilos> is that how you guys spell it
[16:21] <Na3iL> yup, otherwise is there any logo for the team ?
[16:21] <Kilos> nope nothing yet
[16:21] <Kilos> you up for that as well?
[16:21] <Na3iL> have u any idea about logo, I've some friends can help us
[16:22] <Kilos> well its for all of africa so a map can work
[16:22] <Na3iL> cool
[16:22] <Kilos> maybe with an ubuntu background
[16:22] <Kilos> i know nothing about art stuff
[16:23] <Na3iL> same xD
[16:23] <Kilos> hehe
[16:24] <Kilos> those buttons to choose languages are fine
[16:25] <Na3iL> yup but buttons should include some flags
[16:25] <Na3iL> idk what flag I choose
[16:26] <Kilos> yes
[16:26] <Kilos> there isnt an all africa flag
[16:26] <Kilos> leave flag out
[16:27] <Na3iL> okay
[16:27] <Kilos> just buttons with language choices
[16:29] <Na3iL> cool
[16:39] <Kilos> oh Na3iL
[16:39] <Kilos> can you also look down where the meeting stuff is please
[16:39] <Na3iL> yo Kilos
[16:39] <Na3iL> yup sure
[16:39] <Kilos> you will see i added an item called ideas
[16:40] <Na3iL> yeah, I noticed that
[16:40] <Kilos> but i dont know how to make it like the rest where people can add ideas
[16:40] <Kilos> like the links at the bottom or something
[16:40] <Kilos> i gave up
[16:41] <Na3iL> oh, I understand I'll see how to figure it
[16:41] <Kilos> ty
[16:41] <Na3iL> you welcome :D
[16:41] <Kilos> :D
[16:43] <Kilos> elacheche  was going to do it but he is such a slow old man it will take weeks
[16:45] <Na3iL> hahahaha xDD
[16:49] <Na3iL> Kilos, check it, if u liked it or I can change to another one (style)
[16:51] <Kilos> yeah thats cool
[16:51] <Na3iL> cool :D
[16:51] <Kilos> just do what you think best
[16:51] <Na3iL> okay
[16:51] <Kilos> you know much more then i do about wiki stuff
[16:52] <Na3iL> I learned Wiki documentation from Ubuntu gnome team
[16:52] <Kilos> as long as i can place a comment im happy
[16:52] <Kilos> cool
[16:52] <Na3iL> noh it's okay
[17:21] <Na3iL> ping Kilos,
[17:27] <Kilos> Na3iL  pong
[17:28] <Kilos> sorry was eating
[17:29] <Na3iL> it's okay, good appetite
[17:29] <Na3iL> if u want check the wiki page again
[17:29] <Na3iL> and give me ur feedbacks
[17:29] <Kilos> ok let me refresh it
[17:29] <Na3iL> I want some critics.. :P
[17:30] <Kilos> thats great man, well done
[17:30] <Kilos> :D
[17:31] <Na3iL> :D ty ^^
[17:32] <Kilos> here what cheche says , he always has ideas, but it looks great to me
[17:32] <Kilos> s/here/hear
[17:33] <Na3iL> :D hahahah
[17:33] <Na3iL> finally version French done too
[17:34] <Kilos> cool
[17:34] <Kilos> do you speak arabic as well?
[17:35] <Na3iL> yup :D
[17:35] <Kilos> cool
[17:35] <Kilos> clever
[17:35] <Na3iL> but I prefer always speak in english
[17:36] <Kilos> good , but we might need some translations sometime
[17:36] <Na3iL> yup I can help on translation very much
[17:37] <Kilos> wonderful
[17:38] <Kilos> i am just lucky that most people speak english otherwise id be lost
[17:38] <Na3iL> hahahaha
[17:39] <Kilos> i didnt even think about the languages when i started with this
[17:40] <Kilos> but only 3 more locos to find them we have them all
[17:40] <Kilos> and one group to help start a new loco
[17:40] <Kilos> ghana lug
[17:41] <Kilos> i have been very lucky though, everyone so far seems keen
[17:41] <Na3iL> very cool, u meal almost done
[17:41] <Kilos> yeah done ty
[17:41] <Na3iL> I didn't nothing :D
[17:41] <Kilos> haha
[17:44] <Na3iL> logo will be done after 10 minutes at least :D
[17:44] <Na3iL> then I'll include it on the wikipage
[17:44] <Kilos> wonderful
[17:45] <Na3iL> :D
[18:16] <philipballew> hey Kilos
[18:16] <Kilos> hi philipballew
[18:17] <philipballew> Kilos, the meeting went well?
[18:17] <Kilos> its only next wednesday
[18:17] <philipballew> Kilos, oh nice!!!
[18:18] <Kilos> dont you see mails from the list?
[23:13] <Na3iL> o/ elacheche


[07:52] <utkarsh2102> cjwatson: hello, I guess bootstrap-package is only available for each package uploads & not for the entire PPA?
[07:53] <utkarsh2102> what I mean is, I uploaded a new version of symfony to my PPA, **hopefully** fixing the dependency issue but it complains about missing php-twig now.
[07:53] <utkarsh2102> cf: https://launchpad.net/~utkarsh/+archive/ubuntu/symfony-bootstrap/+build/21630239
[07:54] <utkarsh2102> can we enable that bootstrapped package (php-twig) for the entire PPA or something? So that I can just upload newer versions of symfony & they'll just work; this way I can check stuff on my own and won't have to annoy other people.
[08:13] <seb128> rbasak, hey, so following on the SRU discussion from yesterday, it feels like the GNOME exception discussion isn't active, is there anything we can do to help resuming it? also meanwhile if items are ignored in the queue because the SRU team feels like they are wrongly using a GNOME exception justification could it be stated on the bug or rejected so the uploader understands why it's stucked?
[08:15] <seb128> RAOF, bdmurray, tjaalton, ^ you might also be interested (unsure if there is a SRU team alias defined to use to ping you)
[08:16] <RAOF> I don't think there is an SRU team alias; at least, I don't have anything set to highlight.
[08:18] <RAOF> Huh. I didn't see that backscroll. (Relatedly, I thought I had processed a gupnp upload recently?)
[08:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: 6615 entries have been added or removed
[08:22] <tjaalton> my understanding was that the exception was acked?
[08:23] <seb128> it seems there is still disagreement on the list of components
[08:23] <seb128> also rbasak said gupnp was ignored since april because it's not on the list
[08:24] <seb128> but silently ignoring items is just confusing, it makes the queue still longer and harder to review for you guys and isn't obvious to the upload what is happening and why
[08:26] <RAOF> I think some of this is a limitation of the tools we're using for SRU process - the queue doesn't have anywhere for us to write notes, other than the linked bugs, and if we do it there it's on one of the possibly-many bugs.
[08:27] <RAOF> I think rbasak has set up some Trello integration, which I really mean to use, but have forgotten the URL to 😐
[08:29] <RAOF> As far as I'm aware, there hasn't been any advance over https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/scope-of-gnome-mru/18041/8?u=raof and https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/scope-of-gnome-mru/18041/9?u=raof for the list of GNOME projects.
[08:30] <rbasak> RAOF: https://trello.com/b/XgBxtrZ9/sru
[08:30] <rbasak> I need to be afk for a bit, but I appreciate the ping and I have stuff to say about this. I'll get back to this thread in 2-3 hours.
[08:31] <seb128> thx
[08:31] <seb128> RAOF, why is it stucked and how to we get the discussion to reach a conclusion?
[08:31] <rbasak> One big issue here, and something I've been unhappy about for a long time, is how the SRU team's workflow means that we're forced to cherry-pick items to process from the various queues, and so stuff just gets ignored without any conclusion.
[08:32] <rbasak> Sort of what RAOF is alluding to also I think, and indeed that's why I made the Trello board but I'm the only one using it :-/
[08:32] <RAOF> I am going to add a link to that Trello board to the StableReleaseUpdates wiki. Just as soon as I can work out how to log into trello again!
[08:32] <rbasak> I added this issue (stuff languishing with nobody on point to make sure that everything gets a decision promptly) to the SRU team's meeting agenda a month or two ago but we haven't got to that yet.
[08:33] <rbasak> Anyway, bbl.
[08:38] <RAOF> seb128: So, if you think the list we have on that Discourse link is missing things, we need to work out a principled way to add things to the list.
[08:39] <seb128> RAOF, I do, see my most recent comment on that discourse
[08:39] <seb128> GNOME games have been consider as GNOME components for ever and we never had issues with those
[08:40] <seb128> also they are games and not high risk, I would prefer to be able to keep having the SRU process light for them if possible
[08:41] <seb128> also https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-chess/+bug/1925771 is another example of SRU blocked since april, on that one bdmurray commented at least, but then I replied and nothing since
[08:41] <ubot3> Launchpad bug 1925771 in gnome-chess (Ubuntu Focal) "SRU the current 3.36.2 stable update" [Undecided, New]
[08:41] <RAOF> So, the list I generated was from the GNOME BuildStream thing.
[08:41] <RAOF> I agree that the GNOME games are low-risk, and should have a light SRU process. But I'm not actually the one deciding the SRU process; that's the Tech Board.
[08:42] <RAOF> We need to work out what *is8
[08:42] <RAOF> We need to work out what is covered by the GNOME MRE; that needs to be solidified into a list of packages we can check against.
[08:42] <seb128> right
[08:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: linux-base (hirsute-proposed/main) [4.5ubuntu5.1 => 4.5ubuntu5.2] (core, i386-whitelist)
[08:42] <seb128> my point is that games have been approved under MRE for a decade
[08:43] <seb128> why do we need to make things problematic now?
[08:43] <seb128> what changes that made us consider that those things were ok and are not anymore?
[08:43] <RAOF> I think it has became less clear what "part of GNOME" means.
[08:45] <seb128> should I bring it to the TB to approve the list we propose then?
[08:45] <RAOF> That would be a good idea, I think.
[08:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: linux-base (focal-proposed/main) [4.5ubuntu3.4 => 4.5ubuntu3.5] (core, i386-whitelist)
[08:46] <RAOF> I think an even better outcome would be to work out the process for how we determine whether something is a part of GNOME or not, and take that to the TB.
[08:46] <seb128> RAOF, k, thanks for the input and replies!
[08:47] <RAOF> But I'm not sure if there is a process that could be formalised there? There seems to be a fair amount of “well, it was historically like that” and “this package looks like it might be a part of GNOME, but isn't”, and “this package doesn't follow the GNOME release cycle or version numbering, but should be considered a part of GNOME”…
[08:47] <seb128> well, it's going to be difficult to have a process since GNOME doesn't really provide lists matching what we need there
[08:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: linux-base (bionic-proposed/main) [4.5ubuntu1.5 => 4.5ubuntu1.6] (core)
[08:48] <seb128> historically afaik the intend was to say 'we have confidence in components that follow GNOME freezes and testing and release schedule'
[08:49] <xnox> apw:  never ending linux-base srus that now fix the last regression of not honoring link_in_boot setting, which should now cover all bases. Uploaded with correct -v for each series. Can you please sru-accept them in bionic, focal, hirsute please? (it has migrated to impish release now)
[08:49] <seb128> the respect of freezes is probably the most important part there, it ensure that's bug fix only, no string change, etc
[08:49] <RAOF> That, and the testing.
[08:50]  * RAOF goes to pick up Zoë.
[08:50] <RAOF> Night, seb128!
[08:50] <seb128> RAOF, night, thanks again for eds and for the replies there, I will wait for rbasak to comment later and see how we move forward!
[09:14] <cjwatson> utkarsh2102: Technically possible but I don't have tools for that at present, so I've just bootstrapped that one build again
[09:20] <cjwatson> utkarsh2102: https://launchpad.net/~utkarsh/+archive/ubuntu/symfony-bootstrap/+build/21630239 is dep-wait again
[09:28] <utkarsh2102> cjwatson: ah, so I'll need to keep asking you for bootstrapping everytime?
[09:29] <utkarsh2102> cjwatson: I am not sure about the internals of LP, when vorlon pushed php-twig to the bootstrap repo, does it somehow generate the debs, etc?
[09:30] <utkarsh2102> If I can get those debs, then I can fix this issue via local sbuild (using --extra-package) and then would need to only ask one time at the end, where I'll know it'll work.
[09:32] <utkarsh2102> yet another question: when vorlon pushed php-twig to the bootstrap repo, did php-twig use the existing symfony in the -proposed pocket?
[09:33] <utkarsh2102> I ask this because the patch should've worked on some parts of the dependency resolution and it didn't, which makes me thing that it comes from php-twig's side, which means when php-twig was bootstrapped, existing symfony was used, which is problematic, as we can see in the logs.
[09:37] <utkarsh2102> s/thing/think
[09:51] <cjwatson> utkarsh2102: asking> yes, afraid so
[09:51] <cjwatson> utkarsh2102: Usually the idea is that you prepare things externally and then ask for a procedure you've checked to work, rather than doing it incrementally by experiment
[09:53] <cjwatson> utkarsh2102: The point of the bootstrap repo is to inject debs that have been built somewhere else for use as build-dependencies.  You can point apt to "deb [trusted=yes] https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/bootstrap/amd64 impish main" or so to test with it
[09:54] <utkarsh2102> cjwatson: ack, thank you! However, this link is 403 for me; don't have access.
[10:01] <cjwatson> utkarsh2102: It's 403 in a browser because the index isn't visible, but should work if you put that line in a sources.list.
[10:01] <utkarsh2102> perfect, thanks!
[11:10] <rbasak> seb128: o/ I think we're all agreed that what we need is a straightforward unambiguous documented definition of what is and is not covered by the GNOME MRE.
[11:11] <rbasak> IMHO the lack of that is what has been causing the most issues. Even if was always the way it's been done and that continues to be acceptable, there's no reasonable way for new SRU team members to be able to keep things consistent without a documented definition.
[11:12] <rbasak> The Discourse thread is the path to fixing this so we need to get that concluded. Until then, I think we'll be stuck in some confusion, so let's focus our efforts there.
[11:15] <rbasak> I'm not familiar with the existing undocumented criteria, so I've not been looking at GNOME MREs pending getting some better documentation on what is and isn't covered. I'm not sure how I can be expected to do otherwise.
[11:27] <seb128> rbasak, my understand was that desktop team was trusted in defining that when doing a SRU, but fine if that assumption changed
[11:28] <seb128> rbasak, how do we reach consensus on what is acceptable for the list? should desktop describe what we think should be allowed under GNOME MRE and submit to the TB for approval as R_AOF suggested earlier?
[11:48] <rbasak> seb128: I've never understood that to be true. My understanding is that there's some specific approval granted (formerly by the TB, now sometimes by the TB and sometimes by the SRU team depending on specifics) and it's a requirement that the SRU team checks for compliance with that policy as part of the SRU review.
[11:49] <rbasak> seb128: ideally we'd update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates/GNOME with agreement from all parties that clears up everything so that there is no doubt when you upload one of these MREs that it is covered by that document.
[11:50] <rbasak> seb128: from a policy perspective it doesn't matter who writes the update, so long as it gets approved by the SRU team (and/or the TB if needed). But yes, it'd probably be most useful if you/the desktop team could make suggestions there.
[11:50] <rbasak> Or you could try drafting an update in Discourse if you prefer as that's where the discussion is.
[11:53] <seb128> rbasak, well, Chris made a list, Marco and I had things we would like to see added, what's the processus to decide if those are ok or not, is that something the SRU team should talk about? something to bring to the TB?
[11:54] <seb128> or should be just make the list what we think it should be and submit to approval to <....>?
[11:54] <rbasak> seb128: I suggest you post your proposed list additons to the Discourse thread, and then we can discuss there?
[11:56] <rbasak> Sorry I'm being vague. I'm trying not to dictate any particular method and want to be flexible and accommodating in how any discussion happens. Ultimately I want to see an update to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates/GNOME but we're not there yet.
[12:06] <laney> bdmurray: rbasak: FYI I've just fixed™ the m-r-package-team-mapping script, the py2 fork, to use the list in lputils.py from lp:ubuntu-archive-tools so updates to that should be reflected in the report again.
[12:10] <seb128> rbasak, T_revinho did suggest addition in comment #9 in septembre but we didn't really manage to get those acked or nacked since, I feel like the SRU team needs to be the one owning moving things forward at this point
[12:26] <rbasak> laney: thank you!
[12:35] <rbasak> seb128: I commented in the thread.
[12:37] <seb128> rbasak, thanks
[13:02] <seb128> someone in ubuntu-archive want to review that trivial change, https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/ubuntu-archive-scripts/report-team-email/+merge/395129
[14:12] <laney> seb128: do you have access to deploy that?
[14:19] <Eickmeyer[m]> Has anybody taken a look at SRU bug 1928146?
[14:19] <ubot3> Bug 1928146 in nvidia-modprobe (Ubuntu Hirsute) "Please SRU nvidia-modprobe 465.24" [High, Fix Committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1928146
[14:31] <seb128> laney, sorry I missed that reply, I might have access but I miss the knowledge ... there is a checkout to manual update?
[14:32] <laney> yes, go to snakefruit, sudo to ubuntu-archive, pull/update in ~/bin/ there
[14:32] <seb128> ah ok, I checked there but for an ubuntu-archive-scripts dir and there was only tools
[14:32] <seb128> thx
[14:34] <seb128> and done now
[14:38] <laney> 👍
[14:44] <seb128> laney, another one you can maybe help with, https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/britney/+git/britney/+merge/403622 , that's a follow up from the discussion we had some time ago
[15:07] <seb128> laney, thanks
[15:09] <laney> np
[15:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gdm3 [source] (hirsute-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>-3ubuntu1]
[17:49] <erlon> hey folks, I have an SRU that is untouched for quite a while (https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-archive/+bug/1832021), who should I talk to get that one rolling?
[17:49] <ubot3> Launchpad bug 1832021 in neutron (Ubuntu Bionic) "Checksum drop of metadata traffic on isolated networks with DPDK" [Medium, New]
[18:09] <bdmurray> erlon: I might be able to help. Can you be more specific about what needs doing?
[18:10] <bdmurray> erlon: Oh, it looks like you need somebody to sponsor a neutron upload to bionic for you.
[18:10] <erlon> bdmurray: yes
[18:11] <bdmurray> However, looking at the debdiff its for bionic-rocky which isn't part of the official Ubuntu archive.
[18:11] <bdmurray> So you'd need to talk to whoever maintains that.
[18:12] <bdmurray> coreycb: ^
[18:16] <coreycb> erlon: rocky is end of life but we do still patch as needed if fixes are required for upgrading through rocky. is a fix needed in bionic (queens)?
[18:18] <erlon> coreycb: bionic queens is right above. I uploaded rocky because someone told me it would be needed
[18:19] <erlon> Comment #26
[18:38] <coreycb> erlon: thanks for the patches, I'll get those uploaded. mind if I add your full name to the changelogs?
[18:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: procps (hirsute-proposed/main) [2:3.3.16-5ubuntu3 => 2:3.3.16-5ubuntu3.1] (core, i386-whitelist)
[18:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected procps [source] (hirsute-proposed) [2:3.3.16-5ubuntu3.1]
[18:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected procps [source] (groovy-proposed) [2:3.3.16-5ubuntu2.2]
[18:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-dev-tools (hirsute-proposed/universe) [0.180 => 0.180ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (no packageset)
[18:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: procps (groovy-proposed/main) [2:3.3.16-5ubuntu2.1 => 2:3.3.16-5ubuntu2.2] (core, i386-whitelist)
[18:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: procps (focal-proposed/main) [2:3.3.16-1ubuntu2.1 => 2:3.3.16-1ubuntu2.2] (core, i386-whitelist)
[18:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected procps [source] (focal-proposed) [2:3.3.16-1ubuntu2.2]
[19:13] <bdmurray> jamespage: Did you sil2100's ping in bug 1929179?
[19:13] <ubot3> Bug 1929179 in ceph (Ubuntu Groovy) "[SRU] ceph 15.2.12" [High, Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1929179
[19:24] <erlon> coreycb: done, I edited it manually right? I mean, there was no need to do all package buildind like I did first to generate it
[19:30] <coreycb> erlon: actually I think that should match what's in your gpg key so let's not fiddle with it. probably worth updating in the future though.
[19:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted alsa-ucm-conf [source] (focal-proposed) [1.2.2-1ubuntu0.8]
[19:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted yaru-theme [source] (focal-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>]
[20:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted runc [source] (hirsute-proposed) [1.0.0~rc95-0ubuntu1~21.04.1]
[20:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted runc [source] (groovy-proposed) [1.0.0~rc95-0ubuntu1~20.10.1]
[20:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: neutron (bionic-proposed/main) [2:12.1.1-0ubuntu7 => 2:12.1.1-0ubuntu8] (openstack, ubuntu-server)
[20:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted runc [source] (focal-proposed) [1.0.0~rc95-0ubuntu1~20.04.1]
[20:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted runc [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.0.0~rc95-0ubuntu1~18.04.1]
[20:32] <erlon> coreycb: so, my GPG key only had my first name as well. I had that updated, thanks
[20:33] <coreycb> erlon: ok great, thanks
[21:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted neutron [source] (bionic-proposed) [2:12.1.1-0ubuntu8]
[21:51] <vorlon> bdmurray: autopkgtest regressions listed for ubuntu-release-upgrader/hirsute on https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html ?
[21:55] <bdmurray> vorlon: that's a precise removal thing, I've fixed it in impish https://launchpadlibrarian.net/540619289/ubuntu-release-upgrader_1%3A21.10.2_1%3A21.10.3.diff.gz
[22:07] <bdmurray> vorlon: oh, I see I missed the ports in the test change when SRU'ing it. That's why it passed on amd64 and not on other arches.
[22:11] <vorlon> bdmurray: were you going to mark v-done on LP: #1929449?
[22:11] <bdmurray> vorlon: I can do that.
[22:43] <bdmurray> vorlon: dbungert has also verified the fix on a macbook
[23:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected nfs-utils [source] (groovy-proposed) [1:1.3.4-2.5ubuntu6.1]


[05:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> does quake need write to be able to launch?
[05:34] <libben> i can launch quake3 and with mods... but when i change the config file for being able to hit console ~ button wich is another char in terminal and quake3... it wont take it
[05:34] <libben> ooh. ive also copied the mods and baseq3 from my ntfs partition from windows, that i just mounted
[05:34] <libben> what should i do with the folders so they work
[05:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> permisions?
[05:35] <libben> well, it was the quake3 installer that putted it in that spot
[05:35] <libben> usr/local/games
[05:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> well ill trust it then
[05:36] <libben> yeah,,, but i havent tried to change anything on original quake3 =) only in the mods dir
[05:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> check the folder permissions both rwx and ownership
[05:36] <libben> and those i copied from ntfs
[05:36] <libben> im a noob
[05:36] <libben> tell me what to do
[05:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> im not sure what perms files in /usr/local should have, but try "sudo chmod -R 750 /usr/local/games/quake3 && sudo chown -R youruser.yourgroup /usr/local/games/quake3/"
[05:38] <libben> -r-xr-xr-x  1 root root      9639 2005-09-18 17:24 q3config.cfg
[05:39] <libben> thats from my usr/local/games/quake3/q3ut3
[05:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> that looks fine. and btw. there should be a / in front of usr
[05:40] <libben> yeah
[05:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> as in /usr/local ;)
[05:40] <libben> i typed it by hand
[05:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> its very different when your going rm -rfvi :S
[05:41] <ml--> what do i need to do to get bittorrent working on a default installation of breezy?
[05:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> what form of working?
[05:42] <ml--> Kamping_Kaiser: ive installed bittornado, ktorrent and azureus. and noone works. ive disabled the router now so i connect straight into my modem.
[05:43] <libben> ml-- u need some things for azureus to work
[05:43] <libben> u need latest java
[05:43] <troy> hrm, maybe I'm strange, but I always use a program called bittorrent for my torrents, and it works behind my router ;)
[05:43] <troy> it requires python ;)
[05:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. queer ;)
[05:44] <ml--> all the clients start, but when i add the torrent it never downloads it.
[05:44] <troy> how reliable are the torrents you're starting?
[05:45] <troy> if there aren't any seeders, nothing will download
[05:47] <libben> http://www.hamachi.cc/
[05:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> night all
[05:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> sleep becons :O
[05:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> when i do this bug report :/
[05:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> night this time :)
[06:14] <Lichte> is there a freakin tag editor for KDE that will do mp3 and ogg ??
[06:15] <drasch> Lichte: JuK
[06:16] <Lichte> drasch: will it strip embedded images from mp3 ?
[06:16] <thoreauputic> Lichte: amarok does tags as well
[06:16] <drasch> Lichte: no idea
[06:16] <Lichte> thoreauputic: amarok won't strip the images
[06:17] <Lichte> I need a tag editor that will allow me to work with the embedded images
[06:18] <Lichte> easytag keeps crashing
[06:20] <Lichte> nope, juk doesn't see the embedded pictures either
[06:20] <Lichte> crap
[06:25] <libben> i need heeelp ?=)
[06:26] <libben> someone that is good with q3 and permissions
[06:28] <nickv111> Hey
[06:28] <nickv111> I'm on the kubuntu livecd, running on my iBook, and I must say it's quite nice
[06:28] <nickv111> Everything works really well
[06:28] <nickv111> I'm seriously considering replacing debian with kubuntu
[06:28] <libben> why not.
[06:29] <libben> =)
[06:29] <libben> its such a good deal
[06:29] <nickv111> I know
[06:29] <nickv111> The only problem is that my backup drive is fubar
[06:29] <nickv111> So I don't have a great way to back stuff up right now
[06:29] <libben> 2bad.
[06:29] <nickv111> Indeed.
[06:29] <libben> burn burn burn then =) if u have a cdwriter
[06:29] <nickv111> Yeah
[06:29] <apokryphos> Mez: hey; out of interest, what else was taken out of extras?
[06:30] <Mez> acroread, java, and realplayer
[06:30] <nickv111> I'll probably just use squashfs to compress all my stuff and burn it all to a DVD
[06:30] <nickv111> Or get my backup drive working.
[06:30] <apokryphos> Mez: w32codecs?
[06:31] <nickv111> The only thing I wonder about is a network manager
[06:31] <nickv111> Is there a program that would go in the KDE Panel which would manage networks?
[06:31] <apokryphos> nickv111: not manage, but monitor.
[06:31] <nickv111> apokryphos: What would do that?
[06:31] <apokryphos> knemo
[06:32] <pedri2> breezy rocks
[06:32] <apokryphos> =)
[06:32] <libben> anyone wanna go thru with me what has happend with my q3.. its a permission thing im allmost sure of. but im quite new to this.. so anyone wanna help me with right perm on my quake3 stuff ?
[06:32] <apokryphos> Mez: because, quickly looking through the repo, I don't see it.
[06:34] <slow-motion> re
[06:41] <nickv111> Well, I'm gonna reboot.
[06:41] <nickv111> See ya
[07:05] <ProdegyX> Hello
[07:05] <ProdegyX> I need help using Kopette Messenger.
[07:05] <ProdegyX> I added a MSN Account
[07:05] <ProdegyX> and everytime I use it it says Password wrong
[07:07] <Prodegy> Hello
[07:07] <Prodegy> Will someone Answer me Please
[07:08] <apokryphos> Prodegy: sorry, must've missed you
[07:08] <apokryphos> Prodegy: if you install the latest version of Kopete from that repository you will be a.o.k.
[07:08] <Prodegy> Thats what I tried to do, but I cannot find it
[07:09] <Prodegy> Can you tell me how to get to Repositories through Kynapatic
[07:10] <apokryphos> !kde342
[07:10] <ubotu> [kde342]  at http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php
[07:10] <apokryphos> Add     deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde342 hoary-updates main         ..to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:11] <Prodegy> OK it is updating right now
[07:11] <Prodegy> Thank you
[07:11] <Prodegy> I was using Regular Ubuntu almost since it came out
[07:11] <Prodegy> I didnt think kubuntu would be much different
[07:11] <Prodegy> but switching from gnome to KDE is a big change
[07:11] <apokryphos> indeed :)
[07:12] <apokryphos> Different DEs can be like a whole new world
[07:12] <Prodegy> Yea
[07:12] <Prodegy> But Im glad I can come in here
[07:12] <Prodegy> and get help from the best
[07:12] <Prodegy> Ok well I updated now should I just run Kopete agian?
[07:13] <apokryphos> Prodegy: kopete updated, definitely?
[07:13] <Prodegy> Yes
[07:13] <apokryphos> Prodegy: kopete --version  gives?
[07:14] <Prodegy> <IP_ADDRESS> or something close
[07:14] <Prodegy> but since I updated
[07:14] <Prodegy> I can run my Messenger now
[07:15] <apokryphos> Kopete version should be 10.0.3
[07:15] <Prodegy> Oh Ok
[07:15] <Prodegy> well I gotta run to Walmart
[07:15] <apokryphos> but actually, I thought that fix was backported into normal repo.. anyway
[07:15] <Prodegy> BBL
[07:15] <apokryphos> yeah, try it.
[07:15] <Prodegy> and thank you for your help
[07:15] <apokryphos> oh it works, excellent.
[07:16] <Prodegy><EMAIL_ADDRESS>is my MSN and BleedingSkarz is my aim if you wanan add me
[07:28] <LokeDK> I've just installed kubuntu-desktop.. was wondering.. where's my "My Computer" icon and trash?
[07:29] <jpatrick> LokeDK: Right click the panel -> Add to panel -> Special button -> System/Trash
[07:29] <lonewolff> LokeDK: trash should be next to your clock in the bottom right, and the other stuff can be accessed using the menu next to the K menu
[07:31] <LokeDK> oh thanks
[07:31] <apokryphos> LokeDK: and, erm, there's no My Computer.. this isn't windoze :P
[07:32] <jpatrick> It's System
[07:32] <LokeDK> Just used to gnome :P
[07:32] <LokeDK> system then
[07:32] <LokeDK> Perhaps a window with all the drives
[07:32] <apokryphos> Yup, you want System then
[07:32] <thoreauputic> gnome doesn't have a "My Computer" either, actually
[07:33] <LokeDK> no it's just "Computer"
[07:33] <apokryphos> LokeDK: you can always access it from Konqueror -> System:/
[07:33] <LokeDK> oh okay
[07:33] <apokryphos> and gnome people critisize kde for being like Windows? Heh. :D
[07:33] <slow-motion> kde has a controlcenter
[07:33] <LokeDK> Can I get the trash from the panel on the desktop?
[07:33] <LokeDK> heh :P
[07:33] <apokryphos> LokeDK: indeed
[07:33] <jpatrick> slow-motion: System Settings all the way!
[07:33] <apokryphos> LokeDK: check the FAQ
[07:33] <thoreauputic> :D
[07:34] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: I personally don't think either of them are like Windows at all
[07:34] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: I agree :)
[07:34] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: many seem to approach Linux with the mindframe that it's going to be TOTALLY different
[07:34] <apokryphos> and that Linux throws out things like actual "windows" and the web etc
[07:35] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: I think we should make fluxbox compulsory ... /me ducks
[07:35] <jpatrick> :o
[07:36] <thoreauputic> .... or better still, for maximum shock value, twm *evil grin*
[07:36] <apokryphos> force you into submission!
[07:37] <thoreauputic> ;)
[07:37] <jpatrick> what tail...
[07:37] <thoreauputic> jpatrick: you haven't met me - it has a fork at the end ;)
[07:38] <jpatrick> Oh I see :)
[07:38] <thoreauputic> oh and of course the cloven hooves are a giveaway...
[07:39] <apokryphos> hehe
[07:40] <LokeDK> Could you give me a link to get trashcan on the desktop? found some unofficial kubuntu faq.. says to edit trash.desktop.. but it doesn't exist
[07:41] <thoreauputic> heh - I find it amusing when people want a trash can on the desktop: I spent hours in other distros trying to get rid of the damn thing :D
[07:41] <jpatrick> I don't know why one would want the trash icon on the desktop :/
[07:42] <LokeDK> bad habit :)
[07:42] <jpatrick> http://kudos.berlios.de/
[07:43] <thoreauputic> LokeDK: on the contrary, makes me think carefully before deleting stuff ;)
[07:43] <LokeDK> Heh yeah :)
[07:44] <LokeDK> ah well skrew the trashcan.. rm -rf all the way
[07:46] <apokryphos> LokeDK: yes, use that FAQ; it has a correct method.
[07:46] <LokeDK> Okay thanks
[07:47] <apokryphos> LokeDK: if it doesn't exist, create it.
[07:47] <apokryphos> LokeDK: you definitely should have it though; ls ~/Desktop
[07:48] <musashiden> hey, can i get a little help here? i have a question
[07:48] <musashiden> when you check out something from cvs
[07:48] <musashiden> how do you compile it?
[07:49] <musashiden> whats the syntax line?
[07:50] <LokeDK> apokryphos, it ain't there
[07:50] <apokryphos> alright, one sec
[07:50] <root__> anyone else have trouble getting the X server to start after attempting to upgrade to breezy?
[07:51] <nmorse> It keeps complaining about fonts
[07:51] <apokryphos> LokeDK: create trash.desktop and put this in it: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2305
[07:51] <apokryphos> nmorse: a few have; have you reconfigured your X?
[07:51] <musashiden> can i get a little help here?...
[07:51] <apokryphos> musashiden: as always, all you need to do is ask your question, if someone's willing/able to help, they will.
[07:52] <apokryphos> I recommend checking out a tutorial on CVS
[07:52] <musashiden> when you check out something from cvs, how do you compile it, whats the command line?
[07:52] <LokeDK> apokryphos, okay will try.. thanks a lot
[07:53] <apokryphos> musashiden: obviously a CVS repository can have *absolutely anything*.
[07:53] <LokeDK> it worked.. thanks again :)
[07:53] <apokryphos> cool
[07:54] <apokryphos> musashiden: what is it you're getting from CVS?
[07:54] <musashiden> libtool
[07:54] <nmorse> any reason xf86config isn't installed by default when you upgrade from hoary to breezy?
[07:54] <musashiden> and cedega
[07:54] <nmorse> Cedega's site has the specific instructions for getting it.
[07:54] <apokryphos> nmorse: what is it? Sounds like XFree.
[07:54] <nmorse> And you have to sign their license agreement anyway
[07:55] <nmorse> It's a tool to configure X.
[07:55] <musashiden> nmorse, they say how to get it, but not how to compie it
[07:55] <nmorse> What's the default tool for that job on Ubuntu?
[07:55] <nmorse> I was planning on just using the xorg.conf file I used on hoary.
[07:55] <apokryphos> nmorse: dpkg configure, of course. :)
[07:56] <apokryphos> nmorse: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:56] <apokryphos> musashiden: I'm wondering why you're trying to manually grab/install CVS source, when the wiki entry apparently links to an .sh file to do it all for you
[07:57] <musashiden> apo: it didnt worked
[07:58] <musashiden> thats why iam trying to do it manually
[07:58] <nmorse> weird.
[07:58] <nmorse> Why would it have font issues using the old xorg.conf file?
[07:58] <nmorse> But when I reconfigure with the same options it works just fine?
[07:58] <apokryphos> musashiden: "it didn't work" isn't too descriptive, unfortunately. But, #ubuntu is essentially the right place for that.
[07:59] <apokryphos> nmorse: slight differentces to the configuration of it, I presume.
[07:59] <musashiden> well, it did made all the folders it was supposed to make and everything
[07:59] <musashiden> but how do i start a game using it
[07:59] <apokryphos> musashiden: you're more likely to have luck with non-kde-related questions in #ubuntu (really)
[08:00] <musashiden> ok
[08:00] <musashiden> well back to libtool
[08:00] <apokryphos> musashiden: again, #ubuntu
[08:05] <nmorse> Great, now my usb mouse isn't working and I can't seem to disable the Synaptics touchpad.
[08:05] <nmorse> Oh well, that's the risk of beta software.
[08:07] <nmorse> I think I may fixed it now.
[08:07] <nmorse> It switched all my dev numbers for mice around.
[08:20] <silver_cpu> hi, everyone. i notice that kaffine is the standard dvd playback software for kubuntu, but i prefer to use vlc. when i right click on dvds on my desktop, "play in kaffine" is listed in the menu, but not vlc. how can i get vlc listed, and remove kaffine?
[08:22] <silver_cpu> hi, setite. are you familiar with kde, also?
[08:23] <Tm_T> hmh
[08:23] <Tm_T> I use Okle
[08:23] <silver_cpu> okle?
[08:24] <setite> yea i suppose so
[08:24] <setite> i prefer it... i do miss some of the gnome tools
[08:24] <setite> i will probably be installing kde over gnome from now on....
[08:24] <setite> anyoen wanna help me configure my wifi... im not 100% sure abotu this
[08:24] <setite> and the man pages arent helping
[08:25] <setite> and the wiki isnt helping as much as id like either...
[08:25] <setite> !wifi\
[08:25] <ubotu> setite: Are you smoking crack?
[08:25] <silver_cpu> i notice that kaffine is the standard dvd playback software for kubuntu, but i prefer to use vlc. when i right click on dvds on my desktop, "play in kaffine" is listed in the menu, but not vlc. how can i get vlc listed, and remove kaffine?
[08:25] <setite> !wifi
[08:25] <ubotu> methinks wifi is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[08:25] <LokeDK> After I installed kubuntu, the fonts in gnome are small.. can't change them
[08:28] <setite> i think there is a way to chagne them... i dunno how
[08:28] <setite> a gtk theme manager perhaps
[08:35] <libben> anyone wanna go thru with me what has happend with my q3.. its a permission thing im allmost sure of. but im quite new to this.. so anyone wanna help me with right perm on my quake3 stuff ?
[08:43] <libben> ello!
[08:43] <libben> =(
[08:43] <jpatrick> lo
[08:44] <libben> ^^
[08:44] <libben> i need help =)
[08:44] <jpatrick> I don't game a lot
[08:46] <libben> u know permissions+
[08:46] <libben> ?
[08:53] <_orochi> hi
[08:53] <`Nomad> hi
[08:54] <setite> hi
[08:54] <setite> anyoen know how to get eh gnome network application on kde...
[08:54] <setite> people tell me its called network-admin but i dont see that package
[08:55] <apokryphos> setite: alt+f2->network-admin
[08:55] <apokryphos> setite: you can probably use KNetworkConf though, I'd guess.
[08:57] <setite> well apokryphos im attempting to get my wifi working... and ive always had better luck teith teh gnome app
[08:58] <apokryphos> ok, go for it then
[08:58] <setite> well i need the app first... thats my question
[08:58] <setite> i dotn have it and i dont see it on the repo
[08:58] <setite> ill do anything... except use ndiswrapper.. to get my wifi working...
[08:59] <setite> i need to get linux-wlan-ng actually... and i cant figure out how to get it on amd64... and a build from source failed miserablly
[08:59] <setite> !pastebin
[08:59] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[08:59] <setite> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2303
[09:07] <Juerd> I have both suspend to memory and suspend to disk working
[09:07] <slow-motion> bye
[09:07] <Juerd> This is a personal victory, after 7 years of using linux
[09:07] <Juerd> and never having been able to get any of these working correctly.
[09:08] <Juerd> Long live thinkwiki.org for useful info about thinkpads
[09:08] <Juerd> And long live much improved kernels :)
[09:08] <Juerd> And my own investigation re cardctl
[09:10] <eiko> hello
[09:11] <eiko> hi
[09:11] <eiko> :)
[09:12] <eiko> /ubuntu
[09:12] <Juerd> Hello
[09:12] <eiko> how long have you had kubuntu?
[09:12] <Juerd> Hm
[09:12] <Juerd> Let me think
[09:12] <Juerd> A week :)
[09:12] <setite> !wifi
[09:12] <ubotu> wifi is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[09:13] <Juerd> eiko: I'm a long time Debian user though
[09:13] <eiko> hows debian?
[09:13] <Juerd> Good, but less stuff works out of the box.
[09:13] <eiko> i used mandrake linux for like a month but that was more then a half a year ago
[09:14] <eiko> but i ordered it again
[09:14] <Juerd> Since Breezy, I find Kubuntu nicer to work with than Debian proper
[09:14] <eiko> and im waiting for it to come in
[09:14] <Juerd> I don't like mandrake
[09:14] <eiko> whys that?
[09:14] <Juerd> I like debian and debian derivatives
[09:14] <Juerd> Mandrake isn't one
[09:14] <Juerd> I dislike RPM
[09:15] <Juerd> Mandrake has been very good for spreading KDE, though
[09:15] <setite> how can i force synaptic to list 32bit packages not safe for 64bit
[09:16] <eiko> oh anyone know what type of file to download and how to install stuff?
[09:16] <eiko> or a tutorial online
[09:17] <Juerd> eiko: Start synaptic and try to figure out yourself
[09:17] <Juerd> That's usually a better learning experience
[09:17] <eiko> ok :)
[09:17] <Juerd> And un-teaches you to hunt for packages yourself
[09:17] <Juerd> Debian is for lazy people.
[09:17] <eiko> ha ha ha whats synaptic is it in the kde menu?
[09:17] <setite> wow.. that was a stupid answer
[09:18] <Juerd> setite: Thanks!
[09:18] <Juerd> eiko: It was for me, but I upgraded from Ubuntu.
[09:18] <Juerd> eiko: Alternatively, try kynaptic
[09:18] <Juerd> (kynaptic doesn't provide a graphical interface for adding universe and multiverse yet)
[09:19] <apokryphos> Juerd: it probably won't ever, too =)
[09:19] <Juerd> apokryphos: Oh, why?
[09:19] <apokryphos> Juerd: Adept is to be default in Breezy.
[09:19] <Juerd> I see
[09:21] <nickv111> Hmm
[09:21] <eiko> oh neat this allows you to choose more stuff to install
[09:21] <nickv111> Is there a way to get KWifiManager to scan wireless networks properly on an Airport (not Extreme)?
[09:22] <nickv111> It doesn't return any networks when I tell it to scan
[09:22] <Juerd> I see adept isn't in kubuntu-desktop yet
[09:23] <nickv111> Hmm.
[09:24] <Juerd> Oh, adept is nice.
[09:24] <nickv111> I don't have much to back up on this machine
[09:24] <nickv111> in fact, I don't think I have anything I need on this
[09:24] <libben> ill convert to it when it takes down synaptic. or well, replaces synaptic
[09:24] <libben> just need something as good as syn
[09:24] <libben> anyone wanna go thru with me what has happend with my q3.. its a permission thing im allmost sure of. but im quite new to this.. so anyone wanna help me with right perm on my quake3 stuff ?
[09:25] <setite> !wifi
[09:25] <ubotu> rumour has it, wifi is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[09:28] <setite> who has wifi working
[09:28] <Juerd> I do.
[09:29] <setite> on ubuntu
[09:29] <nickv111> Oh, I know why scanning isn't working:
[09:29] <nickv111> nicklaptop:~# iwlist eth0 scan
[09:29] <nickv111> eth0      Interface doesn't support scanning : Operation not supported
[09:29] <setite> nickv111: ndiswrapper?
[09:29] <nickv111> Nah, I'm on airport
[09:29] <setite> ndiswrapper doesnt allow scanning
[09:29] <nickv111> My laptop's WiFi card must suck
[09:29] <setite> i was asking how you installed it
[09:29] <setite> oh yea ndis is windows... sorry
[09:29] <setite> Juerd: did your device just work or did you set it up
[09:30] <setite> nickv111: how did you install it...
[09:30] <nickv111> setite: There's a kernel driver
[09:31] <nickv111> The driver is built into the kernel
[09:31] <setite> the card doesnt suck... im sure airports scan... its just that the driver included didnt add thatoption... apparently some people dont think scanning is a necessary feature so they dont bother to get it working
[09:31] <Juerd> setite: It did just work, and I use waproamd for automatic configuration
[09:31] <nickv111> setite: Right.
[09:31] <nickv111> setite: Well, maybe I'll just buy a hardware wifi scanner or something
[09:32] <eiko> can you use kynaptic to install something you downloaded off the internet?
[09:32] <setite> Juerd: can you show my your /etc/network/interfaces
[09:33] <setite> eiko: maybe? synaptic supposedly does it.. but i prefer the console... its easier
[09:33] <setite> eiko: is it a .deb
[09:33] <Juerd> setite: The relevant line in my /etc/network/interfaces is "iface wifi inet dhcp"
[09:33] <Juerd> My interface is called wifi with ifrename. It's probably called eth0 or eth1 on your system.
[09:34] <setite> wifi eh...
[09:34] <setite> oh ok
[09:34] <carlson> is there any email client shipped with kubuntu with the qt laf?
[09:34] <setite> where is that line exactly... because i have that added in
[09:34] <Juerd> setite: Last line.
[09:34] <Juerd> setite: What do you get if you execute, in a root terminal, "iwconfig"?
[09:34] <eiko> no i was trying .gz first :(
[09:34] <setite> nickv111: the cvs version of the drivers supports iwlist scan according to this thread
[09:34] <setite> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=33038&highlight=airport+scanning
[09:35] <setite> bla bla no wireless extensions
[09:35] <setite> ifconfig -a shows my wlan0 device
[09:35] <setite> but nothing else does...
[09:35] <Juerd> Does iwconfig show that wlan0 has no wireless extensions?
[09:35] <setite> yes
[09:35] <Juerd> Because then basically, linux doesn't know it's a wifi card.
[09:36] <setite> well why is that
[09:36] <Juerd> You can then only use it if you use an access point, no encryption and happen to be lucky.
[09:36] <Juerd> setite: I don't know.
[09:36] <eiko> setite: is synaptic in the kde menu?
[09:36] <setite> no eiko - get it on the repo
[09:36] <nikki2> there are two sets of wifi drivers
[09:36] <nikki2> one uses iwconfig, the other doesn't
[09:36] <setite> i dont need encryption juerd... i dont even need scanning.. i just need it to work in ad hoc for my psp
[09:37] <setite> yea from what i read my driver... for the prism 2 comes from linux-wlan-ng.. which doenst support iwconfig....
[09:37] <nikki2> unfortunately, i can't remember the name of the util to set wireless parameters in the other set of drivers
[09:37] <eiko> setite: is that in the kynaptic thing where you install programs that arnt installed yet?
[09:37] <nikki2> wlancfg perhaps
[09:37] <setite> but also im buggered as i cant install linux-wlan-ng as its a 32bit app and i cant compile it
[09:37] <eiko> setite: or does repo mean something else
[09:37] <Juerd> wlan-ng is a pain in the ass, in my opinion.
[09:38] <Juerd> I made myself forget it.
[09:38] <setite> yea i suppose eiko.. "sudo apt-get install synaptic" works
[09:38] <Juerd> setite: What happens if you run "dhclient wlan0"?
[09:38] <setite> repo is the list of available apps installed or not yet install
[09:38] <setite> it did some interesting stuff ill run it again and #flood it
[09:39] <Prodegy> Hey Im Back
[09:39] <Prodegy> BRB Im getting some food
[09:39] <nickv111> Where /are/ the airport drivers?
[09:40] <nickv111> I can't find them
[09:40] <setite> good question... its on a cvs somewhere
[09:40] <Juerd> setite: Try "ifconfig wlan0 up" and then "dhclienth wlan0" again
[09:40] <Juerd> setite: This because of the "network is down"
[09:41] <setite> no such device
[09:42] <setite> Juerd: i dont think ifconfig or all that works...
[09:42] <setite> this is partly a 64bit ubuntu problem.. but im not gonna downgrade... i will remove ubuntu before i do that
[09:42] <Juerd> setite: Then I'm out of ideas - sorry.
[09:43] <setite> ok then
[09:43] <setite> freebsd 6.0 it is
[09:43] <setite> this is bs
[09:44] <setite> hmmm
[09:44] <setite> ok took all wifi lines out except for iface wlan0 inet dhcp in my interfaces
[09:44] <setite> restarting
[09:45] <rr700> Is there NTFS support on breezy?
[09:46] <Tm_T> you can read it
[09:46] <eiko> i installed gimp but its not in the kde menu. what folders are the programs in?
[09:46] <setite> ok wish me luck... the network interfaces part of the boot didnt hang this tiem... maybe thats a good sign
[09:47] <godzero> rr700: yes
[09:47] <setite> fuck.. dont think im so lucky
[09:47] <godzero> libntfs5
[09:47] <setite> hey Juerd  look in #flood again
[09:49] <setite> Juerd: you there?
[09:49] <Juerd> That hardware address of all zeroes doesn't look promising.
[09:49] <setite> oh nm... there is no HWaddr listed for that device... that cant be good
[09:49] <setite> yea this is shit
[09:49] <Juerd> Try to use ndiswrapper with the Windows driver for your card
[09:49] <setite> someone told me this device work ootb with ubuntu...
[09:50] <setite> no
[09:50] <setite> thats the step i wont do....
[09:50] <Juerd> Then at least you can use the standard linux wireless extensions
[09:50] <Juerd> (iwconfig)
[09:50] <setite> i know that will work but the goal is not using ndiswrapper since it doesnt support scanning or most features
[09:51] <Juerd> Where did you get that from? I have a card here with which I can use almost all features, including scanning with iwlist
[09:51] <setite> when i used ndiswrapper with my broadcom it wouldnt scan.. said it wasnt supported.. and someone in ubuntu sadi that scanning isnt implemented for wifi using ndiswrapper
[09:52] <eiko> how do you change rooms again?
[09:52] <Juerd> eiko: /join
[09:52] <Juerd> eiko: They're called "channels" on IRC, by the way
[09:52] <eiko> cool thanks
[09:52] <rr700> godzero: is the libntsf already installed, or do I need to install it?
[09:52] <rr700> currently my ntsf partition doesn't load
[09:52] <Juerd> ntfs, not ntsf, I guess.
[09:53] <rr700> right
[09:53] <Juerd> NT FileSystem
[09:54] <rr700> I noticed the partitions load in the Media directory
[09:54] <rr700> not mnt
[09:54] <setite> this would probably all work if i could build linux-wlan-ng on amd64
[09:54] <setite> how do i remove a package with dpkg
[09:54] <Juerd> setite: dpkg --help
[09:55] <Juerd> setite: man dpkg
[09:55] <Juerd> setite: This way, you can read about how to use dpkg
[09:57] <setite> stupid ass shit
[09:57] <setite> why wont it build
[09:58] <Prodegy> Many Men
[09:58] <setite> ok forget this... im going back to windows... if ubuntu wont port linux-wlan-ng over than i cant use this distro
[09:59] <godzero> rr700: yes, you have to download it
[09:59] <Juerd> setite: You could be less stubborn use the 32bit version
[09:59] <Juerd> s/use/and use/
[09:59] <Juerd> setite: Is the performance of whatever other OS you're going to run more important than user experience?
[10:00] <libben> nikkia: u here ?
[10:00] <setite> Juerd: no... i dont want to use that... its not being stubborn... there are better distros so i will just get freebsd 6 when final is out
[10:00] <godzero> rr700: it's in main
[10:00] <setite> im lookinf for a better distro anyway... ubuntu is slow
[10:00] <Juerd> setite: If you think there are better distros, why use ubuntu in the first place? :)
[10:00] <rr700> godzero: through Kpackage?
[10:01] <Juerd> And the runtime speed is quite acceptable
[10:01] <setite> to test it out... which is what ive been doing... but this issue is the end of me on ubuntu...
[10:01] <Juerd> If you remove hotplug from /etc/rc2.d, even bootup is rather speedy :)
[10:01] <setite> when firefox loads faster on windows... how is that acceptable
[10:01] <nikki2> libben: no, but her evil laptop using twin is, why ?
[10:01] <godzero> rr700: have you edited your sources.list?
[10:01] <Juerd> setite: It doesn't on my computer.
[10:01] <rr700> no
[10:01] <setite> on my pc... windows spanks ubuntu on apps that run on both
[10:01] <godzero> rr700: no, not kpackage.
[10:02] <godzero> rr700: kubuntu?
[10:02] <Juerd> setite: Which ubuntu are you running?
[10:02] <setite> that should never happen... espcially usign a "64bit" distro
[10:02] <setite> hoary
[10:02] <rr700> yes breezy ver
[10:02] <setite> it was the same on warty and same on breezy
[10:02] <Juerd> setite: What kind of hard drive does your machine have?
[10:03] <setite> amd64 3400+ running at 2.75.... seagate 200gb sata drive... 512 megs ocz el-4000. bfg 6800gt
[10:03] <setite> want to know peripherals too :)
[10:03] <godzero> rr700: k, open konquror, navigate to //etc/ right click sources.list, pick edit as root... uncomment the extra repositoies
[10:03] <Juerd> setite: Install blktool, run "blktool /dev/sda dma on" and see if that improves performance
[10:04] <setite> lets prat that blktool is ported to 64
[10:04] <Juerd> setite: If you care about performance, by the way, upgrading to 1024 MB ram is probably going to do more overall than changing distros or using 64 bits
[10:04] <setite> not in this case... i have more than enough ram to open firefox...
[10:04] <Juerd> I said overall
[10:05] <godzero> rr700: after that use kynaptic, oe better synaptic (more options / info with synaptic)
[10:05] <setite> im fully aware of how ram affects performance
[10:05] <Juerd> setite: Have you seen in top if any process uses your CPU too much?
[10:05] <setite> nope
[10:05] <Juerd> Run top
[10:05] <setite> looks like your tool isnt ported
[10:06] <Juerd> setite: It's not in the standard repository.
[10:06] <Juerd> setite: I don't know if it's from universe or multiverse, but one of those two.
[10:06] <setite> i have both of those
[10:06] <setite> and its not there
[10:06] <Juerd> That's unfortunate.
[10:06] <setite> so it must noe ba a 64bit package
[10:06] <Juerd> It could be that it's only in breezy.
[10:06] <setite> yup.. unfortunate that many apps dont get ported
[10:07] <setite> if they just had one dev work on just that... they would do a better job than they do... but it seems the pick and choose what they think should be ported... or they just dont give a f***
[10:07] <setite> there are no apps using very much cpu
[10:07] <eiko> is it possible to put stuff in the kde menu?
[10:07] <Juerd> They give a fuck, but everyone's time is limited.
[10:07] <setite> i like that less than 1.0% of my cpu is used when im doing nothing
[10:07] <Juerd> Please note that f*** is still the same word.  After you edit hit save (the floppy icon)
[10:09] <Juerd> It's about the intention of profanity, not the actual expression used. Everyone knows what f*** stands for. That makes it no better than the original.
[10:09] <setite> everyone knows the word... but the point is so that people who dont know the word(small ignorant children) dont learn it from that instance
[10:09] <Spudchat> hi guys
[10:09] <setite> when it comes to the reasons for censorship intention is irrelevant
[10:09] <Juerd> I think that the grown up ignorant adults need a lesson in what kids learn then.
[10:09] <Spudchat> whats a tool to encode avi to mpeg4 to burn to dvd?
[10:09] <Juerd> If you want to be friendly for the kids, don't use the word at all.
[10:10] <setite> Juerd: argue that with the fcc then.. its a waste of breath in all honesty.. but id prefer not to hear some idiot telling me to watch the language... so i chose that version
[10:10] <libben> nikki2: i need some help with permissions
[10:13] <nikki2> libben: what kind of help ?
[10:13] <godzero> any body using ATI on breezy?
[10:14] <libben> anyone wanna go thru with me what has happend with my q3.. its a permission thing im allmost sure of. but im quite new to this.. so anyone wanna help me with right perm on my quake3 stuff ?
[10:14] <libben> that kind of help
[10:14] <libben> quake3 (a game) wont read or take what i want it to take.
[10:14] <nikki2> libben, i know what quake3 is, dunno what permissions it should have tho
[10:15] <libben> well. ive installed it with a .run file. and then copied the rest that was needed from my ntfs partition... think i have some perms wrong. dont copying stuff from other partitions makes it fubar with perms ?
[10:15] <godzero> libben: q3 should run as *you* so should read anything you can. are you sure it's not write that it wants?
[10:16] <libben> hmm
[10:16] <libben> let me start the console and read the output
[10:16] <libben> Couldn't write q3config.cfg.
[10:16] <libben> Couldn't write baseq3.
[10:17] <setite> !univers
[10:17] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1, setite
[10:17] <setite> !universe
[10:17] <ubotu> ask me about !repositories
[10:17] <libben> point is that i can launch the game and all that. but then i have my cfg in /usr/local/quake3/q3ut3
[10:17] <libben> and i wanna be able to take down the console ingame
[10:17] <libben> but it wont let me.
[10:18] <libben> and ive changed in the cfg to a valid key in both places.
[10:18] <libben> so im getting to wonder if it inherited a owners thing when i copied the stuff while i was root into /usr/local/games/quake3
[10:19] <nikki2> libben, if you copied from ntfs, it will have copied with read-only permissions
[10:19] <nikki2> libben, basically, what you need to do is... chmod -R +w /usr/local/quake3
[10:20] <setite> wtf.. now i cant even find ndiswrapper.. ok my repos must be broken
[10:20] <libben> now tell me what that does so i understand it also. so i just dont do the quick line
[10:21] <godzero> libben: chmod (changes permissions)
[10:22] <godzero> libben: you want to sudo chmod the file to world writable
[10:22] <libben> so -R removes the read on it ? and +w is write
[10:22] <nikki2> no
[10:22] <nikki2> -R = recursive, process the directory specified, and all sub files/directories
[10:22] <nikki2> +w means 'add write permissions'
[10:22] <Prodegy> Hey anyone want to help me dock something on My Desktop?
[10:23] <Prodegy> Will someone tell me who to Dock someonething on my desktop
[10:23] <Prodegy> I download a plugin for GClock
[10:24] <godzero> prodegy: ?
[10:24] <godzero> gnome?
[10:24] <Prodegy> Kubuntu
[10:24] <godzero> use superkaramba
[10:24] <Prodegy> How do I load Super Karamba?
[10:25] <godzero> install, execute it, then goto the website from in it's interface, download & run the plugins from there
[10:25] <Prodegy> How do I install it> is there a source code for it?
[10:26] <godzero> only if you really want to
[10:26] <godzero> use kynaptic
[10:26] <godzero> new to linux?
[10:27] <godzero> if so, you should know to edit your sources.list
[10:27] <Prodegy> I know how to run stuff yea
[10:27] <Prodegy> and I know how to install a repositorie
[10:28] <godzero> should be in main I think
[10:28] <godzero> let me check
[10:28] <godzero> sorry, it's in universe
[10:29] <Prodegy> How do I add it?
[10:31] <godzero> edit /etc/sources.list as root/sudo, uncomment the universe lines, run kynaptic, update list (left most icon), serch for "karamba", check super karamba
[10:32] <godzero> then "commit" (right most icon)
[10:35] <Prodegy> uncomment means take the # out of them rihgt?
[10:35] <godzero> yepp, pluss the space for good measure
[10:35] <Prodegy> Ok
[10:36] <Prodegy> Ok how do I login under root
[10:36] <Prodegy> do I need to change anything
[10:36] <godzero> do you know how to sudo?
[10:36] <Prodegy> I know
[10:36] <Prodegy> sudo passwd
[10:36] <Prodegy> that changes the root password
[10:36] <Prodegy> I dunt know sudo root or anything
[10:36] <godzero> no
[10:37] <godzero> sudo [command to be run as root]
[10:38] <Prodegy> so what would I put to run as root?
[10:38] <Prodegy> like sudo /etc/sources.list?
[10:38] <godzero> so "sudo nano //etc/sources.list" would do what you want here
[10:38] <godzero> nano is a text editor
[10:39] <Prodegy> so how would I edit in terminal;
[10:40] <godzero> did you try/see nano?
[10:40] <Prodegy> I see nano
[10:40] <Prodegy> but I dont see any text
[10:41] <Prodegy> Now its not even opening
[10:41] <godzero> great, just use he arrow keys to get around, delete the "# " and hit ctrl-o to write and ctrl-x to exit
[10:41] <godzero> ctrl-x
[10:42] <Prodegy> Ok but how do I see the text
[10:42] <godzero> the type exactly:
[10:43] <godzero> sudo nano //etc/apt/sources.list
[10:43] <godzero> sorry I forgot /apt/
[10:49] <godzero> maybe there should be a icon on the desktop of a new install that leads to a .html howto on this stuff
[10:53] <libben> hmm dident work
[10:54] <libben> the chmod thing on q3
[10:54] <libben> hmm... how do i uninstall q3?
[10:54] <godzero> did you install using kynaptic?
[10:55] <godzero> (or any *apt*
[10:55] <libben> no, i downloaded a bin file that fixed all symlinks and all that. then copied the rest stuff from quake3 folder on my ntfs partition that i mounted
[10:57] <gerarcone> how can i do to set the dimensions of the terminal window permanently?
[10:57] <godzero> oh, well then I'd say to delete it's folder, search for symlicks and delete them if it doesn't have a uninstall command
[10:57] <libben> i know where the symlink is
[10:58] <libben> in /usr/local/bin/*quake3
[10:59] <godzero> gerarcone: stretch to taste, then (menu bar) sttings |save session profile
[11:00] <godzero> rm the real files, then rm the symlink
[11:00] <libben> and its uninstalled the hardway?
[11:00] <gerarcone> godzero: tx
[11:00] <libben> no other place where its a trace of it
[11:00] <libben> except my home folder
[11:00] <libben> wich has .q3a
[11:01] <godzero> might as well rm that too
[11:01] <libben> ofcuz
[11:02] <godzero> ps: I think q3 is in universe (with out maps), but I never installed it cause my video driver sucks
[11:03] <godzero> are the wads on the cd or are the all packed up in a big file?
[11:03] <godzero> I should find it and find out
[11:05] <libben> pak files not wads
[11:06] <libben> and their just plain containers.
[11:11] <marndt> Hi everyone
[11:11] <marndt> Is anyone here familiar with Xen?
[11:12] <godzero> libben: ah, thanks.. when I get my video fixed I'll have to try that. (if can still find my cd)
[11:13] <libben> its just download the .run file from ids ftp server. and install it. and then copy the baseq3 folder to the installed dir
[11:16] <godzero> ah ya found it: media:/hdd/Quake3/baseq3 .. thanks
[11:17] <libben> lol
[11:18] <godzero> I was expecting a big .msi or something
[11:18] <libben> just found out that my "" the one above TAB is called KP_DOWNARROW
[11:18] <libben> hmm
[11:18] <libben> weird
[11:18] <libben> why would it be one config in xterm and another in quake3
[11:18] <libben> any comments anyone ?
[11:18] <lonewolff> godzero: nah, after running the installer, you just need pak0.pk3 from the install disc
[11:19] <libben> lonewolff: u know why layout is a diffrent then the xterms one ?
[11:19] <lonewolff> what layout?
[11:19] <libben> keymap
[11:19] <lonewolff> oh! i dont know
[11:19] <lonewolff> sorry
[11:19] <libben> my tilde key is "" in xterm
[11:20] <libben> and ingame, it tells me kp_downarrow
[11:20] <libben> weird =)
[11:20] <lonewolff> yeh, never had that problem, maybee you can set it ingame
[11:20] <godzero> i get ` or ~ in xterm (unshifted, shifted)
[11:21] <godzero> us/104
[11:21] <lonewolff> me 2
[11:21] <godzero> you forgot the aol tags
[11:21] <libben> how can i check mine in xterm?
[11:22] <libben> i have pc105 and SE layout
[11:22] <Prodegy> godzero im back
[11:22] <mikonian> Hi. Can someone answer some question?
[11:24] <Prodegy> What you need Mikonian
[11:24] <mikonian> How easy is it to upgrade to 5.10 from 5.05?
[11:24] <Prodegy> 5.10 Kubuntu?
[11:27] <mikonian> yup
[11:28] <apokryphos> mikonian: change one file and put in one command
[11:28] <apokryphos> pretty simple, I'd say. :)
[11:28] <mikonian> sweeeet
[11:29] <apokryphos> Though you mean 5.04 ;-)
[11:29] <mikonian> oh yeah, sorry
[11:29] <anatemus> hello all =) I'm selecting a distribution for my parents and I'd like to ask few things..
[11:29] <mikonian> i switched from ubuntu to kubuntu so i'm thinking of just clean-installing
[11:29] <mikonian> will the iso work for that too?
[11:30] <apokryphos> mikonian: of course, but there's no real need
[11:30] <apokryphos> mikonian: to convert to a default kubuntu installation (if you had ubuntu before), you can just use the debfoster command.
[11:30] <apokryphos> anatemus: fire away
[11:31] <mikonian> really? how does that work?
[11:31] <anatemus> allright, is everything they might need on that one cd?
[11:31] <prodegy> Hey can someone help me on how to edit the source list
[11:31] <prodegy> because when I sudo nano it, it doesnt show the text in the file
[11:31] <apokryphos> mikonian: it works by using two metapackages -- one to keep, and one to dish out (see /msg ubotu metapackage )
[11:32] <apokryphos> anatemus: if it isn't they can get practically anything from the package manager
[11:32] <apokryphos> prodegy: alt+f2 -> kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:33] <mikonian> so i konsole->debfoster
[11:33] <anatemus> apokryphos: but they are living behind slow dial-up connection, and i'd like to download everything from my adsl-connnection before installation..
[11:33] <apokryphos> mikonian: what's the output of exactly dpkg -l|grep buntu-desktop ?
[11:34] <prodegy> I edited the sources now how do I find Super Karamba
[11:34] <mikonian> apokryphos: ii  ubuntu-desktop 0.43           The Ubuntu desktop system
[11:34] <apokryphos> anatemus: the DVD iso has more packages; but, might be worth installing everythng from your connecting, then taking it to them
[11:34] <apokryphos> mikonian: how did you install Kubuntu then?
[11:35] <apokryphos> prodegy: always search the repositories before asking how to get an app
[11:35] <mikonian> oops, one sec
[11:35] <anatemus> apokryphos: good point. but box is already there :(
[11:36] <apokryphos> anatemus: there and installed, you mean?
[11:36] <apokryphos> anatemus: well, what exactly are their needs?
[11:38] <prodegy> I cannot find it anywhere
[11:38] <anatemus> apokryphos: websurfing, email, organizing & editing digital photos, simple games (no 3d) etc... and there's also damn winmodem which might need some nasty packages...
[11:38] <apokryphos> prodegy: you evidently don't have the basic repositories enabled.
[11:38] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell prodegy about repositories
[11:39] <apokryphos> anatemus: their own games, or kde games?
[11:39] <apokryphos> anatemus: on all the others (bar winmodem), Kubuntu default is a definite -> check.
[11:39] <prodegy> Im on KubUntu that is for Ubuntu
[11:39] <prodegy> Im using Kynapatic not Synapatic
[11:40] <apokryphos> prodegy: almost irrelevant
[11:40] <prodegy> well there is no thing for Repositories on Kynapatic
[11:40] <apokryphos> prodegy: paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969    -- use that samble sources.list
[11:40] <apokryphos> prodegy: there is; it tells you to use the sample sources.list file
[11:41] <apokryphos> s/samble/sample
[11:41] <anatemus> apokryphos: just kde-games, like soitaire =) can i find acomplete list of kubuntus packages somewhere?
[11:41] <apokryphos> anatemus: yes, kdegames/kdetoys is installed on Kubuntu. A complete list of available, or ones coming with the ISO?
[11:41] <apokryphos> well, for both it's a yes
[11:42] <anatemus> apokryphos: just those on the iso. and thanks for help =D
[11:42] <apokryphos> anatemus: all the things installed: http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/ubuntu-5.04-dvd-i386.list
[11:42] <apokryphos> whoop, that's the ubuntu list
[11:43] <apokryphos> anatemus: there http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/5.04/kubuntu-5.04-dvd-i386.list
[11:44] <anatemus> thanks=)
[11:45] <anatemus> no digikam =(
[11:45] <apokryphos> anatemus: mind you, it's only things in /pool/* that they'll be able to use
[11:45] <apokryphos> hm, yeah
[11:46] <apokryphos> anatemus: it's 5 megs
[11:46] <prodegy> Now that I used the example source list should I run Kynapatic again and search for Karamba or Super Karamba
[11:46] <apokryphos> wouldn't take long on a modem
[11:46] <apokryphos> prodegy: did you uncomment the relevant repositories before saving the sources.list ?
[11:47] <prodegy> Yes
[11:47] <mikonian> sorry apokryphos...the output was the same
[11:47] <apokryphos> mikonian: eh?
[11:47] <anatemus> and any dependencies? (did i spell it right? ;)
[11:47] <apokryphos> mikonian: I just said, "how did you install kubuntu then"?
[11:48] <mikonian> oh. i followe dthe instructions on how to migrate from ubuntu to kubuntu
[11:48] <apokryphos> anatemus: it can probably get all the dependencies from the CD, actually.
[11:48] <apokryphos> mikonian: eh? What's that? Link?
[11:48] <mikonian> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:48] <apokryphos> anatemus: spelt correctly, yes :)
[11:49] <mikonian> http://www.kubuntu.org/documentation.php
[11:49] <apokryphos> mikonian: then evidently you would have kubuntu-desktop :)
[11:49] <mikonian> yuppers. it's been kinda acting weird the last few weeks...guess i should stop messing with it.
[11:49] <mikonian> i can't stand the login screen through. how do i change it?
[11:50] <apokryphos> mikonian: install kubuntu-desktop and then use debfoster if you want to remove traces of normal ubuntu
[11:50] <mikonian> what's the command?
[11:50] <apokryphos> mikonian: it's a KDM theme; you can grab one from kdelook.org
[11:50] <apokryphos> mikonian: sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[11:51] <anatemus> hey, if i do a "training" install on my machine, is there some kind of rpm cache what i can burn to cd and use elsewhere?
[11:51] <apokryphos> anatemus: kubuntu is debian-based ;)
[11:52] <anatemus> oh, deb-cache i mean ;)
[11:52] <apokryphos> anatemus: apt cache is at /var/cache/apt/archives/
[11:52] <apokryphos> all the .debs will be in there
[11:52] <mikonian> ok, done. now i restart kde?
[11:53] <apokryphos> mikonian: did what? Got a new kdm theme?
[11:53] <anatemus> yeah, that's the way to do it =) install on my machine, grab the install-medium & burn archives and configs to other cd =)
[11:53] <mikonian> sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[11:54] <apokryphos> mikonian: no restart needed; now use debfoster
[11:54] <apokryphos> anatemus: would of course work, yes
[11:54] <mikonian> just type in debfoster
[11:54] <mikonian> ?
[11:54] <apokryphos> mikonian: you should generally always see the man and/or --help page before using a command
[11:54] <libben> damit, i wont let the game win over me.
[11:55] <mikonian> debfoster = command not found
[11:55] <anatemus> apokryphos: there wasn't a question, i was only thinking aloud ;) but thanks for confirming :
[11:55] <apokryphos> mikonian: idea! Install debfoster. :)
[11:56] <godzero> I ran off for a minute to eat, and everyone starts telking
[11:56] <apokryphos> anatemus: 8)
[11:56] <mikonian> i'm such a dork sometimes
[11:56] <apokryphos> godzero: no rest for the wicked!
[11:57] <apokryphos> mikonian: :P
[12:00] <godzero> I saw a question back a but about ubuntu -> kubuntu, and someone mentioned kubuntu-desktop... but will that start kdm with x?
[12:00] <godzero> bit
[12:00] <apokryphos> eh?
[12:00] <mikonian> thanks for debfoster, apokryphos. the KDM theme, i tried to follow the instructions, but i don't have a kdm folder to work with
[12:00] <apokryphos> godzero: KDM uses X, KDE uses X, so, erm, yes.. =)
[12:01] <apokryphos> mikonian: you don't need one; you point to the kdm theme location in the kdmrc file