[17:38] <roblabla> Hey everyone, sorry if this is the wrong channel. I was wondering what were the steps to request a change in the default ubuntu kernel config? I'd like to have bpf added to CONFIG_LSM, as some software I'm working on requires it. Currently, to workaround this, I have to ask my users to fiddle with their GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX value, update grub, and
[17:38] <roblabla> reboot, which is not ideal and introduces a lot of friction ^^'.
[18:03] <john-cabaj> @roblabla, I would open a Launchpad bug here - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux
[18:04] <juergh> roblabla, the correct way would be to open an LP ticket but that change won't happen. We don't want BPF enabled for everybody, too risky.
[18:06] <roblabla> juergh Do you mean BPF LSM specifically? Because BPF is already enabled afaict.
[18:09] <juergh> yes BPF LSM. I think we keep it deliberately off for security reasons. One can always enable it via the commandline.
[18:09] <roblabla> And if it's BPF LSM, can you explain what makes them so dangerous? I'm asking because Ubuntu is the only platform giving me trouble - Debian, SLES, ArchLinux, RHEL, Fedora all have it enabled by default.


[00:02] <dholbach> haha, nice REVU bug: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/zope.index will get the "index" removed from the URL
[00:24] <StevenK> geser: Killed.
[00:25] <ari-tczew> can we sync nonfree -> multiverse ?
[00:29] <geser> StevenK: thanks
[00:32] <persia> ari-tczew: Sometimes, and usually.
[00:33] <persia> More specifically, check the license against ubuntu-policy
[00:38] <Dabian> This is a user question, I guess, but maybe it will end up in a bug report.
[00:38] <Dabian> I am sitting in my arm chair, ready to watch a DVD.  Turns out its encrypted.
[00:38] <Dabian> I installed libdvdread4, and sudo'ed the script ...
[00:38] <Dabian> But it still doesn't work.
[00:39] <Dabian> What is wrong?
[00:40] <Dabian> (I tried playing the dvd with xine, vlc and mythtv)
[00:40] <Dabian> (VLC might have the configuration messed up though)
[00:41] <persia> Dabian: You may find that you can get an answer in #ubuntu
[00:41] <Dabian> What say you?  No idea, or its broken?
[00:41] <Dabian> persia: I thought that would be the right place to ask.  Not sure why I asked here, sorry.
[00:42] <persia> Dabian: No worries.  It's just the sort of question that almost never gets answered here.
[00:43] <Dabian> persia: Thanks for pointer.
[00:45] <Dabian> Seems #Ubuntu is clueless too.
[00:46] <Dabian> The more skilled you get, the less help are you likely to get, I guess.
[00:47] <persia> Indeed.
[00:48] <Dabian> :)
[00:48] <Dabian> OK . now I am getting some response...
[00:56] <Dabian> OK .. turns out that its a limitation
[00:56] <Dabian> Ubuntu doesn't work for certain DVD's.  You have to use windows or something else.
[00:57] <Dabian> As I don't have or intend to aquire windows, I will have to watch the DVD at my parents place or similar, I guess. :|
[00:57] <Dabian> (Not that they run windows on a dvd-capable machine, but they have a television and a dvd-player)
[00:58] <Dabian> I guess thats it for GNU/Linux as "media-player".
[00:58] <sladen> Dabian: urm, I doubt it's as simple as that
[00:59] <Dabian> sladen: Well, nobody knows how to make it work.
[00:59] <Dabian> apparently.
[00:59] <sladen> Dabian: the unencryption is just a matter of software;  and hasn't changed for about 10 years
[00:59] <Dabian> sladen: I was told that some DVD's just doesn't work with ubuntu.
[00:59] <sladen> Dabian: what error message are you seeing.  Have you googled it?
[00:59] <sladen> Dabian: sounds like FUD
[01:00] <marnold> Dabian, you using libdvdcss2
[01:00] <Dabian> Not sure how I get an error message.
[01:00] <Dabian> marnold: I am using libdvdread4, and I ran the script.
[01:00] <Dabian> I guess I can fire up xine in the gnome-termial.
[01:01] <Dabian> libdvdread: Error cracking CSS key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_02_1.VOB (0x001ff86b)!!
[01:01] <sladen> Dabian: run   vlc dvd://   or   mplayer dvd://    or   totem dvd://   or   xine dvd://   from a terminal and look at what it prints when you press play, and it doesn't
[01:01] <Dabian> Will try google that.
[01:01] <marnold> perhaps we should take this in to #ubuntu... Hold on  why are you runnin xine in gnome
[01:02] <Dabian> Why not?
[01:02] <Dabian> I guess #ubuntu would be the apropiate forum.
[01:03] <Dabian> I got some page from google that talks about "regionset"
[01:03] <persia> This really isn't the right forum :)
[01:03] <Dabian> persia: Right.
[01:04] <sladen> Dabian: from Googling on your behalf, it sounds like you probably have a region-locked DVD drive of some sort, and a DVD that doesn't match that region
[01:04] <Dabian> right ..
[01:04] <Dabian> Not something I know a lot about .. but I guess most dvd's over here are region locked.
[01:05] <Dabian> Maybe this dvd is a different region.
[01:05] <Dabian> I dunno.
[01:05] <Laney> please, if you wish to provide support, take it to some more appropriate forum
[01:05] <Dabian> I am in #ubuntu also, sorry Laney
[01:06] <marnold> oh now i remember why i'm here
[01:06] <Dabian> :)
[01:07] <sladen> Dabian: given that the DVD hardware (its firmware) is below the level of the software, then there's little the software can do about it (the DVD drive is not passing it the data).  You need to get a normal DVD drive that doesn't have unnecessary restrictions (this will apply equally in MS Windows as it does in Debian, Ubuntu, or other $distro of choice)
[01:08] <Dabian> sladen: Thanks.
[01:09] <marnold> we may have an outstanding security issue in ircd-hybrid http://www.debian.org/security/2010/dsa-1980 appears not to be fixed in lucid
[01:10] <Dabian> EF-net irc?
[01:10] <marnold> as last uploader of that package
[01:10] <marnold> i wondering what i should do
[01:11] <marnold> s/I/I'm
[01:11] <sladen> marnold: pull the packages from Debian when they're available
[01:11] <marnold> Dabian, most have switched to ratbox
[01:11] <Dabian> I guess you should contact the security team right away.
[01:12] <sladen> marnold: poke pitti or someone for help
[01:12] <marnold> sladen, this one doesn't get much active maintenance
[01:12] <persia> #ubuntu-hardened tends to be a good place to ask about security stuff.  Asking in the next 10 minutes or so is likely to be best.
[01:12] <mdeslaur> marnold: what's the issue?
[01:13] <marnold> and I'm also wondering about the wisdom of including hybrid in lucid
[01:14] <marnold> its hasn't seen much upstream development
[01:14] <sladen> marnold: have a look at popcon
[01:26] <lfaraone> jdong: I fixed bug 479131 in a 0.2 upload, but because the error occurs on package removal or reinstallation (when the service is stopped), people who have already installed the package will continue to have problems. How should I go about fixing this? (or should I just tell people to "LANG=C apt-get upgrade" first?)
[01:27] <jdong> lfaraone: ... is there no way to correct the problem without forcing people to use an oddball apt-get incantation?
[01:28] <lfaraone> jdong: well, it's a issue in the init script that has to do with internationalization.
[01:28] <Dabian> sladen: I fixed my problem with regionset!  THANK YOU! :))))
[01:28] <jdong> lfaraone: can you not call the init script from post(inst,rm) with LANG=C in that case?
[01:28] <lfaraone> jdong: the issue is not with the 0.2 version, but the broken original version in the archives.
[01:29] <jdong> lfaraone: understood, but IMO part of the responsibility of the SRU is to address that
[01:29] <jdong> or at leaset make it behave in a way that doesn't involve nasty postinst errors
[01:30] <lfaraone> jdong: okay. the package uses CDBS, so I'm not sure how I'd override what it does in the postinst/postrm.
[01:31] <jdong> sorry, I'm not currently at a machine where I can get you more specific advice
[01:32] <jdong> but with SRU hat on, from a policy standpoint I'd like for the package to cleanly upgrade affected users through the update manager / apt-get upgrade as expected
[01:32] <jdong> hopefully a volunteer idling in this channel can provide more specific assistance :)
[01:40] <ScottK> It's doable.  Let me look something up.
[01:42] <ScottK> lfaraone: See --error-handler= in man dh_installinit
[03:41] <diwic> I'm trying to debug a program crash but all I get in gdb is "Thread exited" and a SIGKILL. How can I trace down where the bug occurs?
[03:41] <diwic> If I run the program under strace, the program does not crash.
[03:49] <ScottK> Ah. A Heisnburg.  Those are tough.
[03:52] <nigel_nb> ScottK, how do I look through the source for how a particular package is being installed/uninstalled?
[03:54] <diwic> ScottK: any hints?
[03:55] <ScottK> diwic: No.  Not really, just trying to share the pain.
[03:57] <diwic> perhaps if I can put a breakpoint on thread exit, is this possible?
[03:57] <ScottK> I'm very unlikely to have any additional useful information for you.  Sorry.
[03:57] <ScottK> Off the top of my head, I'd think you'd have to know what thread.
[03:58] <kamalmostafa> diwic: I would think that the "Thread exited" is the symptom, not the cause...  The SIGKILL bears investigation though.  That's an unusual signal for a program to get unless something is explicitly sending it (that's "kill -9").  Is it possible that the program is sending *itself* the SIGKILL "intentionally"?  Does the string "SIGKILL" appear anywhere in the source?
[04:00] <kamalmostafa> diwic: ... or for that matter, does the program call kill() or raise() internally anyplace?
[04:01] <kamalmostafa> If the program were to call raise(9) for example, you'd get this effect I think.
[04:01] <diwic> SIGKILL is not present
[04:01] <diwic> raise is but not with sigkill as argument
[04:02] <kamalmostafa> diwic: what argument does it call raise() with?
[04:02] <diwic> kill is present in quite a few places
[04:02] <diwic> SIGTERM, SIGTRAP, SIGQUIT, SIGUSR1
[04:03] <crimsun> (inside gdb) info threads
[04:03] <crimsun> () thread foo
[04:03] <crimsun> () break linenum thread foo
[04:03] <crimsun> etc.
[04:04] <crimsun> busy ATM but will look in a bit
[04:04] <diwic> crimsun, so do that on all calls to kill() and raise()?
[04:04] <crimsun> (I presume this is 517902?)
[04:04] <diwic> crimsun, yes
[04:05] <diwic> bug #517902
[04:05] <kamalmostafa> diwic: You could just set a breakpoint on "kill" and another on "raise" I think -- you shouldn't need to set individual breakpoints on each call to them.
[04:06] <diwic> crimsun, I suspect that the new alsa-lib wakeup thing might be involved
[04:10] <diwic> hmm
[04:10] <diwic> got one kill breakpoint but that wasn't it, when I continued, the program didn't crash.
[04:11] <kamalmostafa> Question about version numbers:  Package 'gwp' currently shows version number (0.4.0-1.2build1) -- I want to make change to fix the FTBFS in ubuntu.  What should the next version number be?  Should it be "...build2" or "...ubuntu1" next?
[04:11] <diwic> kamalmostafa, best thing I guess would be to upstream the FTBFS
[04:12] <Takyoji> So I take it that the Basic PackagingGuide on the Ubuntu wiki is just a little dated; or?
[04:12] <diwic> kamalmostafa, if that is not possible I'd suggest ubuntu1
[04:12] <Takyoji> Because the rules file displayed is quite different from the one generated
[04:13] <Takyoji> and it refers to debhelper 5 or 6; when I think the recent release is supposedly 7
[04:13] <ScottK> kamalmostafa: ubuntu1
[04:14] <diwic> kamalmostafa, nope, now it quitted without any kill breakpoints
[04:14] <Takyoji> otherwise I'm referring to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Basic
[04:15] <kamalmostafa> diwic: your SIGKILL problem sounds like it could be a timing related thing (since you also said that running under strace also hides the problem).   If I were in your shoes, I'd examine each kill() call in the source visually -- figure out which one might possibly send a kill(9), if any.   But this is getting pretty involved -- perhaps a different channel would be a better place to ask about this?  (which one I don't know).
[04:16] <kamalmostafa> ScottK: thank you.  Is the use of "build1" a normal thing to do (for "no change" rebuilds)?  I'd not seen that before.
[04:16] <diwic> kamalmostafa, IRL calling, got to go, thanks anyway
[04:16] <ScottK> kamalmostafa: Yes.  A build1 build will got overwritten by autosync.
[04:17] <kamalmostafa> diwic: good luck!
[04:17] <kamalmostafa> Scottk: Ah, okay, that makes perfect sense.  thanks.
[05:04] <nigel_nb> hggdh, will you be awake for some more time?
[05:23] <hggdh> nigel_nb: not for long, no
[05:23] <hggdh> why?
[05:23] <nigel_nb> hggdh, I wanted to make sense of debian/rules
[05:24] <hggdh> oh
[05:24] <nigel_nb> (which is why I'm pining here)
[05:24] <hggdh> nigel_nb: unfortunately this is pretty much it for me this night, sorry. But we can do it later
[05:24] <jmarsden> nigel_nb: Why would someone else's wakefulness (or otherwise) affect *your* ability to make sense of a debian/rules file?
[05:24] <hggdh> meanwhile, this is indeed the best place
[05:25] <hggdh> heh. Good question, methinks
[05:25] <nigel_nb> jmarsden, well my mentor's awakefullness would
[05:25] <nigel_nb> hggdh, later then...
[05:25] <jmarsden> nigel_nb: There are plenty of useful people here when you need help :)  Ask the channel when you get stuck and see who helps.
[05:25] <nigel_nb> ah well, here goes then
[05:26] <nigel_nb> I'm looking at the rules files and I wanted to know if all the files being created are being cleaned
[05:26] <nigel_nb> package is firestarter
[05:27] <jmarsden> nigel_nb: Well, you could test that by copying your pristine just-unpacked source tree, then running the build, then clean, then compare the cleaned copy with the copied one using diff, and see if any files got left around.  Would that help?
[05:28] <nigel_nb> jmarsden, that definitely would.  Let me try :) thanks
[05:28] <jmarsden> You're welcome.
[06:27] <rhpot1991> if anyone is available for a revu: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/hdhomerun-config-gui
[07:53] <randomaction> suji11: you still have lintian errors/warnings
[07:55] <suji11> randomaction: ya, i'm checking that how to rectify the errors. But it is little bit tough for me, because this is my first package.
[07:55] <randomaction> you can ask here if you don't know how to fix some items
[07:58] <suji11>  randomaction: ya, my first problem is how to add the copyright information in files to my copyright file. Actually i'm having 3 directories, src(Contains c programs and header files), share(contain the bitmap image of IOK), po(contain the translation files).
[08:00] <suji11> randomaction: In po directory there are around 30 files, each file has different copyright holders. should i add all those peoples name in copyright file, if yes how to?
[08:08] <randomaction> hmm, afaik that's not usually done
[08:18] <randomaction> suji11: but yes, in your case in some of the files copyright is claimed
[08:18] <randomaction> by Red Hat, Fedora etc.
[08:19] <randomaction> for this situation I would recommend using DEP5 format: http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep5/
[08:20] <randomaction> where the file says "Copyright (C) YEAR THE PACKAGE'S COPYRIGHT HOLDER", you can assume that the copyright holder is the same as the rest of the package
[08:34] <suji11> randomaction: ok, i will do that, how to create the man page for my package/
[08:39] <suji11> randomaction: http://pastebin.com/m67980505 this is the copyright information of two files, how to i add this in my copyright file?
[08:40] <randomaction> for as.po: nothing to add
[08:40] <randomaction> for ca.po: Copyright (C) 2009 Free Software Foundation
[08:43] <suji11> randomaction: that is enough ah? shouldn't add the name Xavier Conde Rueda<EMAIL_ADDRESS>2009. ?
[08:44] <randomaction> as far as I can tell from the contents of the file, he doesn't claim copyright
[08:46] <suji11> randomaction: ok, i sent a mail to you about the copyright information,let me know what are the things should i add in my copyright file from that.
[08:48] <randomaction> suji11: now format everything according to http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep5/
[08:49] <randomaction> and instead of sending me mails, just pastebin the text somewhere
[08:50] <suji11> randomaction: ok
[08:50] <suji11> randomaction: i will do the copyright file and will copy that in pastebin and send to you.
[08:53] <suji11>  randomaction: http://pastebin.com/m2ac2e7d0 for this what should i add in copyright?
[08:54] <randomaction> use your judgement
[08:58] <suji11> randomaction: Copyright: 2009 iok , is this right?
[09:19] <suji11> randomaction: http://pastebin.com/m54ee125b this is the copyright file i created now, is this ok?
[09:22] <randomaction> generally OK. Use "License: GPL-2+". "Copyright:" and "License:" mustn't be preceded by spaces. Stanzas must be separated by blank lines. Last stanza must mention "/usr/share/common-licenses/GPL-2" and in examples in DEP5.
[09:23] <randomaction> s/and in/as in/
[09:32] <suji11> randomaction: http://pastebin.com/m46fcd05a i changed the things, now ok?
[09:33] <randomaction> looks ok to me
[09:34] <suji11> randomaction: i will update this to revu.ubuntuwire.com now.
[09:37] <suji11> randomaction: Thank you :)
[09:48] <suji11> bye
[12:12] <siretart> sebner: master thesis, not a phd
[12:13] <sebner> siretart: oh, I'm sorry. nearly the same though :P
[13:23] <riot_le> hello
[13:24] <riot_le> anyone here who can help me with an pbuilder/debootstrap error?
[13:28] <c_korn> riot_le: just ask.
[13:29] <riot_le> i want to create the pbuilder environment on a new client and get an debootstrap-error by doing pbuilder --create: " Failure trying to run: chroot /var/cache/pbuilder/build/10088/. mount -t proc proc /proc"
[13:30] <riot_le> i've searched google and the Ubuntu Wiki but didn't find an answer to this issue
[13:31] <riot_le>  i try it with sudo and as root-User but the Issue is the same
[13:54] <alkisg> I need my app to be ran with gksu, and I'm getting this lindian warning: http://lintian.debian.org/tags/su-wrapper-not-su-to-root.html
[13:54] <alkisg> However, su-to-root isn't install by default on Lucid. Should I depend on that? Should I just keep using gksu? (nope, no thoughts currently about switching to PK :))
[14:10] <kemmotar> hi there! how i can contribute if i'm not programmer?
[14:10] <nigel_nb> kemmotar, yes.  Please see http://www.ubuntu.com/community
[14:12] <kemmotar> nigel_nb: all from here need programmer skill...
[14:13] <nigel_nb> kemmotar, artwork doesnt
[14:13] <nigel_nb> kemmotar, bug squad doesn't, and neither does docs
[14:15] <kemmotar> nigel_nb: "bug squad doesn't" ??? i think it based on programming...
[14:20] <rmunn> kemmotar, Fixing bugs does need programming skill. Reading bug reports and triaging them (can I reproduce it on my computer, or would I need more information to reproduce the bug?) doesn't necessarily take programming skill, just patience.
[14:20] <kemmotar> in last full circle motu said that to be motu no programmer skill are required...what he meant?
[14:21] <rmunn> kemmotar, And answering the "is this a duplicate of another bug?" question also doesn't take programming skill, just knowledge of how to do a search. :-)
[14:22] <nigel_nb> kemmotar, you *dont* need to code in MOTU
[14:22] <nigel_nb> kemmotar, you need to package, which is a bit differnt
[14:22] <rmunn> If non-programmers spend their time sorting through bug reports and filtering out the duplicates and the ones that can't be reproduced, that frees up programmer time to spend actually *fixing* bugs.
[14:22] <nigel_nb> you need enough skills to understand what a patch does and some other stuff though
[14:24] <rmunn> Basic requirements for packaging are not being intimidated by the command line. If that describes you, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/devweek1001/GetStarted and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/devweek1001/FixSmallBugs and try the exercises there. If you can do those, you have the skills to help out with packaging.
[14:25] <kemmotar> rmunn: so "bug squad" is something different to "bug fixing"?
[14:25] <nigel_nb> kemmotar, Bug Squad does not fix bugs
[14:26] <rmunn> kemmotar, "Bug Squad" is the team of people that work on bugs. There are many steps to working on bugs, and fixing it is only the last step.
[14:26] <rmunn> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad for what the Ubuntu Bug Squad does in detail.
[14:26] <nigel_nb> kemmotar, we make sure the dev can start fixing rather than spending time deciding which is important
[14:26] <rmunn> From that page: "They assign bugs to packages, ensure that bug reports are complete, find duplicate bug reports, recreate bugs, and forward bugs to their upstream authors." None of that takes any programming skill.
[14:30] <kemmotar> and what are easier - Bug Squad or packaging ?
[14:32] <rmunn> kemmotar, You can see the complexity of packaging by looking at those two devweek1001 links I posted a few minutes ago. Bug Squad consists mostly of reading bug reports and deciding if they're duplicates, if they need more information, and so on.
[14:33] <rmunn> In my opinion, Bug Squad is probably easier for a beginner to get started in. But I don't know how much knowledge you have, so it's possible that packaging might be easier for you. You'll know for sure if you read those meeting logs and try the exercises. :-)
[14:42] <BlackZ> I get this error when I run: "sudo pbuilder build *.dsc": http://paste.ubuntu.com/370289/ how can I solve? it's a python package, this is the "rules" file: http://paste.ubuntu.com/370290/
[14:42] <ahe> would someone take a look at my package http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/rubyripper please?
[14:43] <kemmotar> rmunn, nigel_nb: thanks guys!!!
[14:44] <geser> BlackZ: do you have python in Build-Depends for your python package?
[14:45] <rmunn> BlackZ, paste your debian/control file, I think it might be missing a dependency
[14:45] <rmunn> BlackZ, The "ImportError: No module named distutils.core" message suggests that python-dev is missing from the dependency list
[14:47] <BlackZ> this is the control file: http://paste.ubuntu.com/370293/
[14:50] <rmunn> Why do you have a "python-dev (>= 3)" requirement? That won't ever get installed: starting with Python 3.0, the python-dev package is called python3-dev. Change that to "python-dev (>= 2)" and I think your problem should get fixed.
[14:51] <randomaction> BlackZ: rerun debuild, pbuilder didn't even try to install python
[14:54] <abogani> Hi All, What mean when in changelog "1:" precedece version number?
[14:54] <BlackZ> randomaction, http://paste.ubuntu.com/370297/
[14:56] <rmunn> abogani, That's called an "epoch", it makes that version number sort "after" anything without a "1:" in front. It's used for when a package's version numbering changes in a way that wouldn't normally sort correctly (like going from "20090425" to "1.0" for example).
[14:57] <rmunn> BlackZ, Line 54 of that paste: "pbuilder-satisfydepends-dummy: Depends: python-dev (>= 3) but it is not installable" -- change that version number to 2 instead of 3 and things will work.
[14:57] <abogani> rmunn: Thanks a lot! :-)
[14:57] <BlackZ> rmunn, ok, I'm trying to do so
[14:57] <rmunn> There is no python-dev >= 3, python-dev versions only go up to 2.NN.
[14:58] <rmunn> Change the python-dev version in the Build-Depends: line of your debian/control file, then it should work.
[15:01] <BlackZ> http://paste.ubuntu.com/370302/
[15:09] <rmunn> Okay, we've gotten past the distutils.core problem, now we've got a different problem: "dh: Command not found".
[15:10] <rmunn> Got it. It's not "dh clean", it should be "dh_clean". The line in your debian/rules that says "dh $@" is wrong.
[15:11] <rmunn> I don't know debhelper very well yet (I've only created one package so far and I used CDBS for it), so someone correct me if I'm mistaken -- but I think changing that line to "dh_$@" will work.
[15:12] <rmunn> ... no wait, the documentation talks about doing "dh $@". Now I'm confused.
[15:12] <geser> debhelper 7
[15:12] <rmunn> Do you have debhelper listed as a build dependency?
[15:13] <rmunn> Someone else better take this, I'm past where my knowledge runs out.
[15:13] <rmunn> Except that I don't see pbuilder installing debhelper anywhere, so I think you just have to add debhelper to your Build-Depends: line.
[15:14] <randomaction> I agree
[15:15] <BlackZ> hmm, now I get that when I run: "debuild -S": http://paste.ubuntu.com/370309/ but I have added debhelper 7 in the dependences
[15:16] <randomaction> read the error message, you should start line 6 in debian/rules with a tab
[15:16] <rmunn> debian/rules is a Makefile, and Makefiles are picky about whitespace. You *must* use a Tab character, not spaces, for indentation in Makefiles. Annoying, but there you go. Make sure you used a tab on line 6.
[15:17] <randomaction> actually, always read error messages
[15:17] <BlackZ> hmm, I've started it with a tab
[15:18] <rmunn> randomaction is right -- 90% of my problem-solving technique is "read the error message, paste it into Google if I don't understand it, read the first four or five Google results." Works nearly every time. :-)
[15:18] <randomaction> some editors replace tabs with spaces, check yours
[15:19] <hakaishi> Hello everyone! Anyone up to advocate/review qt-shutdown-p? - It is a program to shutdown the system (using the session manager or HAL or 'sudo shutdown -P now') and display the remaining time. http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/qt-shutdown-p
[15:25] <BlackZ> randomaction, I get the spaces with nano, pico and gedit - what do you use?
[15:26] <randomaction> gedit has a setting to replace/not replace tab with spaces
[15:26] <randomaction> changeable in the right-hand side of the status bar
[15:27] <randomaction> anyway, try to replace these spaces with a tab and then save file
[15:28] <rmunn> Make sure you get the whole file... if it changed one tab it probably changed all of them, so you'll have to change them *all* back.
[15:29] <BlackZ> ok thanks all, I'll be back in few moments ;)
[15:59] <ejat> hi .. who can help me with this http://bit.ly/alDSYa
[16:07] <hakaishi> ejat: the problem is libtool, but I can't tell you anything else because I don't know your source code. Maybe it is just that you need a (>=2.2.6) in the debian/control file
[16:10] <ejat> hakaishi: ok .. ill give a try .. thanks ..
[16:13] <segler> hi, please help me with: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/rhythmbox-radio-browser
[16:31] <ejat> help me with this plz ... http://paste.ubuntu.com/370346/
[16:32] <rmunn> I don't understand libtool, so I can't tell you how to do it, but lines 11 and 12 look like the thing to do: "You should recreate aclocal.m4 with macros from libtool 2.2.6a-4 and run autoconf again."
[16:34] <ejat> yeah line 11 n 12 .. but i dont know to do that :(
[16:38] <kklimonda> ejat, you can try running autoreconf in the source directory
[16:38] <kklimonda> or aclocal alone
[16:39] <jdong> superm1: discovery of the day: Pairing the apple wireless keyboards tends to work 100% of the time *if* the profile is REMOVED from OS X first
[16:39] <jdong> superm1: I'm not sure if OS X puts something persistent in the bluetooth controller (likely) or keyboard (possible also).... but that glitches out the pairing process
[16:39] <jdong> no idea how to perform the "factory reset" equivalent if OS X is no longer around.
[16:42] <ejat> kklimonda: http://paste.ubuntu.com/370351/
[16:43] <kklimonda> ejat, install libtool
[16:43] <ejat> ok ..
[16:58] <ejat> kklimonda: then after that i need to re-tarball back all the codes right?
[16:59] <kklimonda> ejat, if it worked you would have to create a diff between clean source and the one after autoreconf was launched and patch it at the build time.
[17:42] <superm1> jdong, well i never had OS X w/ mine and still always have a hard time pairing :)
[17:43] <jdong> superm1: hmm interesting :)
[17:43] <jdong> superm1: yeah when OS X still knew about the keyboard it was impossible to pair
[17:43] <jdong> the keyboard would get ADHD and start trying to connect to the last bt it remembered which in turn rejects it, ...
[17:45] <superm1> jdong, i am suspecting the only way we're gonna get down to the bottom of this is to find someone who is knowledgable enough to sniff all the USB packets through a VM or something w/ OSX pairing
[17:45] <jdong> yeah
[17:47] <segler> hi, please help me with: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/rhythmbox-radio-browser
[18:24] <jgoppert> is there any way to get debian lenny packages into the launchpad ppa?
[18:25] <ScottK> jgoppert: PPA questions are better asked on #launchpad
[18:27] <jgoppert> ok thanks
[18:28] <segler> hi, please help me with: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/rhythmbox-radio-browser
[18:31] <jdong> superm1: btw, what's the status with fglrx and lucid?
[18:31] <jdong> superm1: my attempt to install ot right now led to all sorts of pretty glitching and a corrupted root :)
[18:31] <superm1> jdong, amd hasn't published a build that works with the new X server
[18:31] <jdong> superm1: *nods* gotcha
[18:31] <superm1> most of the packaging should be ready though for the new style
[18:32] <superm1> )eg alternatives)
[18:32] <jdong> cool
[18:43] <quadrispro> hello folks
[18:53] <iulian> Hey quadrispro.
[18:54] <quadrispro> heya iulian
[18:59] <rmunn> Any MOTUs interested in reviewing or advocating for http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/python-nltk today? NLTK is a set of Python libraries for computational linguistics, and is apparently rather famous in that field (even has an O'Reilly book about it: http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596516499). I'd like to see it get into Lucid, so I'd like to get some reviews and/or advocates before Feature Freeze on Feb. 18th.
[19:02] <ScottK> rmunn: Did you see about getting into Debian?  It's particularly easy to get Python stuff in.  Visit #debian-python on OFTC.
[19:03] <rmunn> I figured the Debian process would take longer than the Ubuntu process, so I did the Ubuntu package first. I do plan on getting it into Debian as well, though.
[19:03] <ScottK> For Python stuff, Debian is often faster.
[19:04] <rmunn> And if it gets accepted into sid before the Debian freeze this coming Thursday, it'd be automatic in Lucid. Right.
[19:08] <ScottK> It's need to get into Testing before the Freeze, so no, but it's easy to ask for a sync once it's in Unstable
[19:08] <rmunn> ScottK: Understood, thanks
[19:15] <cyberix> I'm trying to do "requestsync --lp -s -d unstable miredo", but this does not work because the package in debian is fresh
[19:15] <cyberix> how long does it take for this to start working after the package is out?
[19:17] <geser> I don't know how long it takes to get the changelog updated
[19:19] <crimsun> hmm. I hadn't even noticed that --skip-minimize is now the default in piuparts(1).
[20:03] <rmunn> ScottK: Thanks for the suggestion: it seems there's a Debian python-nltk package sitting abandoned... someone on #debian-python suggested I ping the maintainer and take over if he doesn't answer within, say, a week. But that'll be after the Debian import freeze for Lucid, so if I'm going to get this into Lucid I'll still need someone to review http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/python-nltk
[20:10] <rhpot1991> got a question about the copyright file, since I'm updating an already existing package I just add my information and leave the previous authors info in tact correct?
[20:10] <rhpot1991> http://pastebin.com/f3e30bccc
[23:22] <qense> I've added hooks to configure.ac, but they aren't picked up by Soyuz and debuild. How do I get those to regenerate configure and the Makefiles.in files?
[23:24] <chrisccoulson> qense - is your question there regarding transmission?
[23:24] <qense> yes
[23:25] <qense> I built it only to find it without the right flag enabled.
[23:25] <chrisccoulson> qense - you can just run autoreconf in the build system
[23:25] <chrisccoulson> but we already have a patch in transmission which contains a refresh of the build system
[23:25] <chrisccoulson> so you can just update that patch
[23:25] <qense> chrisccoulson: update that patch to do what?
[23:27] <chrisccoulson> qense - you can make the changes to 99_autoreconf.patch
[23:28] <chrisccoulson> if you just extract that patch for editting
[23:28] <chrisccoulson> and then run "autoreconf" in the build system
[23:28] <chrisccoulson> and make sure you delete autom4te.cache and config.h.in~ afterwards too
[23:29] <chrisccoulson> that will update configure and Makefile.in with the changes you made
[23:29] <qense> chrisccoulson: What changes should I made to the patch?
[23:29] <qense> and with extracting you mean applying?
[23:29] <qense> with cbds?
[23:29] <chrisccoulson> qense - just run "autoreconf" with the patch extracted for editing
[23:29] <qense> ah
[23:29] <chrisccoulson> qense - transmission uses quilt
[23:29] <qense> ok
[23:30] <chrisccoulson> qense - you can automate it with this script: http://people.ubuntu.com/~chrisccoulson/scripts/quilt-autotools.sh
[23:31] <chrisccoulson> by running "quilt-autotools.sh -p 99_autoreconf.patch -a dont_build_libevent.patch"
[23:31] <chrisccoulson> that will do it automatically, make sure any new files are included in the patch, and clean up afterwards too
[23:31] <qense> chrisccoulson: thanks!


[17:00] <hasan> مشکل در نصبت اوبونتو 15.10
[17:06] <CtrlC> *پاسخ در نصبت اوبونتو پانزده و ده*
[23:11] <Alisky> Hi guys
[23:11] <Alisky> are there any person here?
[23:12] <Alisky> i have a question.
[23:13] <Alisky> i downloaded the longman dictionary for linux but i don't know how install it?
[23:14] <Alisky> could you help me please?


[15:25] <xryuu> Hello all. Budgie ubuntu takes a noticeable time booting up. Clean install(just installed it yesterday), HDD. Also after I log in desktop shows like after 15s~. Any way to speed them up?
[15:25] <Menzador> xryuu: How much RAM do you have?
[15:26] <xryuu> 32gb mate
[15:26] <Menzador> Yikes
[15:26] <Menzador> What kind of graphics? I'm guessing something high-end?
[15:27] <xryuu> gtx 970 4gb
[15:27] <xryuu> CPU: Xeon 1231
[15:27] <Menzador> Are you using the NVIDIA drivers or Nouveau?
[15:28] <xryuu> can you remind me what the window that you apply drivers, repos etc is called?
[15:28] <xryuu> cause i'm not on my pc right now
[15:30] <xryuu> Menzador not the software center(where you dl software etc)
[15:31] <Menzador> It's inside Software and Updates (software-properties-gtk)
[15:31] <xryuu> that one if i remember correctly. there were 2 options. on about Nvidia and one about X
[15:32] <xryuu> i'm using the nvidia one
[15:32] <Menzador> K
[15:32] <Menzador> Hmmm.
[15:32] <Menzador> I can't really see a reason, unless Xorg is on a time delay...
[15:33] <xryuu> even if i use the nvidia drivers the Xorg is still active?
[15:33] <xryuu> i thought it was something like driver. new to linux btw
[15:35] <Menzador> xryuu: Yeah, both drivers are allowing rendering of Xorg, which is the display server
[15:35] <xryuu> oh ok
[15:36] <xryuu> how about e4rat?
[15:36] <xryuu> will it do any good?
[15:37] <Menzador> I don't know. If it's a rendering issue, probably not
[15:39] <fossfreedom_> xryuu: what version of the distro are you using?
[15:39] <xryuu> fossfreedom_ 16.10
[15:40] <fossfreedom_> run budgie-welcome and choose getting started.  Once of the options opens the drivers window - are you offered anything to install?
[15:40] <xryuu> i'm not on my pc atm
[15:40] <xryuu> and will not be for a couple of hours too
[15:41] <xryuu> although gimme a couple of ideas and i'll check em later
[15:41] <xryuu> if it's not telling me about any drivers, then what?
[15:43] <fossfreedom_> run "top" after login - see what processes are running.  Certain apps you may not need - e.g. tracker which you can deinstall.
[15:44] <fossfreedom_> check the journal - you should be able to see a jump in time after the login - should indicate what the issue is
[15:44] <xryuu> journal?
[15:44] <fossfreedom_> journalctl -ae --full
[15:44] <xryuu> thank you :3
[15:45] <xryuu> ok i'll try them later
[15:45] <xryuu> and we'll talk again!
[15:45] <xryuu> thank you!
[15:45] <fossfreedom_> yw
[16:56] <Menzador> Hello foss
[16:56] <Menzador> Hello fossfreedom_
[16:56] <Menzador> How goes the Budgie train?
[18:44] <fossfreedom> Menzador: the train is speeding - getting close to the end very fast!
[18:45] <Menzador> Cool. I'm sure you're aware of the transition to Qt
[18:46] <fossfreedom> yes - am aware.


[07:55]  * enyc meows
[08:17] <Mekaneck> meow in offtoic as much as you like :P
[08:21] <enyc> =)
[08:21]  * enyc more surprised to see all the netsplit chaos
[08:22] <enyc> I'm curious if Ubuntu-MATE has now taken up most of the improvements, themes, dark mode switches, etc. that linux-mint-MATE put into their build.
[08:22] <enyc> I see now that mint have now gone off to focussing on Cinnamon (and providing MATE-style-taskbar etc. as an option from there).
[08:23] <enyc> ... let alone how MATE helps with high-dpi related fun
[08:32] <Mekaneck> Mint always had Cinnamon as priority to focus on ever since it was released
[08:32] <Mekaneck> it's their flagship DE.
[08:32] <Mekaneck> also MATE isn't from Mint.
[12:36] <enyc> Mekaneck: indeed it is not, but mint seemingly maintained their own MATE packages, separatel to those provided in ubuntu-MATE
[12:36] <enyc> waswondering the comparison etc etc
[17:20]  * enyc meows


[02:24] <frank> has anyone here used virtualbox?
[02:24] <nlsthzn> yup...
[02:24] <nlsthzn> but I got to run..
[02:24] <nlsthzn> \
[02:24] <nlsthzn> kthxbai
[02:25] <frank> anyone else used virtualbox?
[02:29] <stlsaint> frank: what is it you need?
[02:30] <frank> i installed vb so i can try and run orb to sling my media to my windows work laptop
[02:31] <frank> when im in windows i cant seem to access any of the files on my second hd, the one with all me media
[02:32] <stlsaint> what is orb?
[02:33] <stlsaint> and is windows in the vm? please explain full setup
[02:35] <duanedesign> frank: you can probablly see the windows hard drive from linux but seeing the linux hard drive from windows i am not sure. If you format the hard drive you share between OS in something like FAT32 you should be able to see it in both
[02:37] <frank> its not really a linux hd. its a secondary hd with nothing but media on it
[03:18] <barefootryan> Hello. I just recently installed the most recent version of Ubuntu 11.04 on my HP Pavillion dv2500 laptop.  I love it but cannot run three things that I would love to run. 1)Epson VGA projector and two networked office printers. Any ideas?
[03:23] <philipballew> hey barefootryan let me try to help
[03:26] <philipballew> what are the model names of all the devices?
[03:26] <philipballew> you can use those and google that followed by ubuntu
[03:31] <barefootryan> Epson EX 51 projector for starters.  I googled but the results don't seem that promising.
[03:32] <philipballew> what did they say?
[03:32] <philipballew> it can be there is just no driver for them?
[03:34] <stlsaint> i must go soon but for my two cents:
[03:35] <stlsaint> barefootryan: 1. Make sure you are using your proprietary video drivers and not the generic ones
[03:35] <stlsaint> 2. Check the printer websites for linux drivers (also what errors are you getting that show why you cant use these printers)
[03:40] <barefootryan> I just installed the proprietary drivers from the system section but that did not change anything.  It still doesn't see the projector.
[03:51] <philipballew> barefootryan, hows the printer?
[03:51] <philipballew> sorrry, network trouble
[03:54] <stlsaint> barefootryan: take to google man, i have never used a projector with my install so im a dead duck to help ya
[03:56] <barefootryan> The printer, well number one is a Savin CO95 I think (out of the office right now) I can get it to recognize that data is coming in, a little light turns on and the wheels on the output side move.  This is using the suggested drivers.
[03:57] <barefootryan> However no printing actually takes  place
[04:50] <Omsniffiscent> I'm having major sound issues with VLC and I have no idea what's wrong or how to check. Anyone else having issues or can tell me where to start looking?
[04:50] <holstein> Omsniffiscent: what issues?
[04:50] <holstein> isolated to VLC for sure?
[04:50] <Omsniffiscent> The sound is really choppy. I can barely understand what's being said.
[04:51] <holstein> are there any upgrades available?
[04:51] <holstein> Omsniffiscent: try another player
[04:51] <holstein> try cvlc as well
[04:51] <Omsniffiscent> Movie Player works just fine.
[04:51] <Omsniffiscent> I'm having sound issues in wine also. When I click the test sound button it just says fail. But sound plays fine in most programs I run with wine.
[04:52] <Omsniffiscent> Only one program I run with wine has major issues with sound -- it crashes when a sound is played.
[04:52] <holstein> that sounds pretty good
[04:52] <Omsniffiscent> How do I check for VLC updates?
[04:52] <holstein> thats a great percentage of wine apps for you that work then
[04:52] <Omsniffiscent> Ubuntu Software Center only gives me the remove option.
[04:53] <holstein> Omsniffiscent: i run sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get upgrade
[04:53] <holstein> but, however you want to do it
[04:53] <holstein> update manager
[04:53] <holstein> synaptic.. whatever
[04:53] <Omsniffiscent> This won't upgrade me from 10.10 to 11.04 will it?
[04:54] <Omsniffiscent> ^ubuntu
[04:54] <holstein> whats that?
[04:54] <holstein> sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get upgrade ??
[04:54] <Omsniffiscent> Yeah.
[04:54] <holstein> dont run those if you dont feel comfortable
[04:54] <holstein> use the update manager
[04:54] <holstein> but... no
[04:54] <Omsniffiscent> I don't want to change my OS version heh. I like 10.10
[04:56] <Omsniffiscent> My system is up to date.
[04:56] <holstein> OK
[04:56] <Omsniffiscent> Maybe I'll just uninstall and re-install it... I don't know why I didn't try that yet.
[04:56] <holstein> so VLC is up to date
[04:56] <holstein> sure
[04:56] <holstein> Omsniffiscent: i would try and isolate the file type that you are playing
[04:56] <holstein> if its an ogg or whatever
[04:57] <holstein> just make sure its only that one kind
[04:57] <holstein> and just use the other player, and file a bug
[04:57] <Omsniffiscent> Movies. That I have played before and they worked fine.
[04:57] <Omsniffiscent> I'll check the filetypes after I re-install.
[04:58] <holstein> Omsniffiscent: played before?
[04:58] <holstein> Omsniffiscent: they will have a suffix
[04:58] <holstein> like .jpg .pdf
[04:58] <holstein> something like .mov or .avi
[04:59] <Omsniffiscent> reinstall worked. :)
[04:59] <holstein> AH... thats good
[04:59] <Omsniffiscent> thanks for the help, heh. I don't know why I didn't get the idea to reinstall until I came in here. I've been trying to figure out what to do all day lol
[19:57] <bobweaver> hi there I kubuntu 11.04 and made a remastersys backup of the whole system now when I boot it at my friends house it works great but I go to install and it installes but wont change the uname or password how do I fix this ?????? THANKS
[19:58] <holstein> bobweaver: you can always add/remove users after the fact
[19:58] <holstein> AFAIK, there are a few ways to remastersys
[19:59] <holstein> you can make a copy of the system with the user and all that, or just a system with the same pacakges
[19:59] <holstein> you might want to try making the other kind of remastersys image and see if thats more what you were looking for
[19:59] <bobweaver> that is what I want option one
[20:00] <bobweaver> but to have ubiquity replace the user name and passwd but none of the /home files
[20:01] <holstein> try the other option and see, im not sure how that will work since the /home files are owned by a user
[20:01] <holstein> im sure theres a way...
[20:01] <bobweaver> keep my system all of it logs and everything but to be able to have ubiquity  change the uname and passwd
[20:01] <holstein> not sure...
[20:01] <bobweaver> I have tried the other options kills menu and font and other things as well
[20:02] <holstein> i have seen folks set a gerneric user/pass
[20:02] <holstein> a temporary one
[20:02] <bobweaver> that would work
[20:02] <bobweaver> I know how to change passwd but how about user
[20:02] <bobweaver> IDK how to do that
[20:03] <holstein> i would probably be creating this in a VM or on a test machine
[20:03] <bobweaver> Thanks for helping me you ROCK
[20:03] <holstein> i would just have the one user
[20:03] <bobweaver> all ready am
[20:03] <holstein> lets say i want user/pass
[20:03] <holstein> i would have one user called user, and the password pass
[20:03] <holstein> then, make the remastersys backup image
[20:04] <holstein> you can mess with users in the terminal, or in the GUI... however you feel comfortable
[20:05] <bobweaver> is there a way to drop the root account make the user account #1 and then just make remastersys backup
[20:06] <holstein> well, this is linux
[20:06] <holstein> so the answer is literally always yes
[20:06] <holstein> if you want to give a user root privs, you should be able to do that
[20:06] <holstein> you probably dont want/need to though
[20:06] <bobweaver> so get ride of root acccount and make user account the root accont and then use the 2nd option in remastersys
[20:07] <bobweaver> here is more sorry about the slow typing
[20:07] <holstein> we already dont really have a root account though
[20:07] <holstein> we sudo
[20:07] <bobweaver> I dont get it
[20:08] <holstein> when you say 'get rid of root account' we alread dont have a traditional root user account
[20:08] <bobweaver> way it there menus under home and under root
[20:08] <holstein> again, anything is possible
[20:09] <holstein> i think you should try and get a clear vision of what you want the final goal to be, and go from there
[20:09] <bobweaver> So menu that is under /.config      compared to menu that is under /usr        is different
[20:09] <holstein> no reason to muck about with user accounts if theres a better way to get at what you want
[20:11] <bobweaver> ok start over
[20:12] <bobweaver> option 1 remastersys    PROS   works great only trouble is it will not change the user name and password
[20:12] <holstein> but, you can afterwards
[20:13] <bobweaver> option 2 remastersys  Pro will Change uname and password but wont keep settings like menu font ect
[20:13] <holstein> right, and thats not an option, correct?
[20:13] <holstein> you want to customize
[20:13] <bobweaver> yes
[20:13] <holstein> so, you'll have to sort out something with the other option
[20:14] <bobweaver> the casper it makes is good but the ubiquity is bad ???
[20:14] <holstein> ok...
[20:18] <bobweaver> option 1 use option 1 in remastersys then just change uname (I dont know how to do )  and passwd (I do know how to do)
[20:19] <bobweaver> so I guess the question is how to change the username kubuntu 11.04
[20:19] <holstein> bobweaver: right, you'll just do that before you make the image
[20:19] <holstein> you do it however you feel comfortable
[20:19] <holstein> the user admin area where ever that is in KDE, or in the terminal
[20:19] <holstein> sudo adduser whatever
[20:20] <bobweaver> I am comfortable with just about anything just need some advice some one to talk about it and throw ideas off of
[20:20] <holstein> there should be a 'users and groups' GUI somewhere
[20:20] <bobweaver> yes it is locked "grey out "
[20:21] <holstein> what is?
[20:21] <bobweaver> under user and groups the uname is
[20:21] <bobweaver> cant change it there
[20:22] <holstein> thats where you'll change it
[20:22] <holstein> im not sure what you need to do in KDE
[20:23] <holstein> in gnome, i can click on 'users and groups' and unlock it to edit
[20:23] <holstein> if you cant do it there, you can do it with another tool
[20:23] <bobweaver> could just make my mom make new user and passwd but what about the dedualt on and security
[20:23] <holstein> you might need a different user temporarily to edit the account you are in currently
[20:24] <holstein> bobweaver: all you need to do is decide you're going to do it :)
[20:24] <bobweaver> I am doing it
[20:24] <holstein> cool :)
[20:40] <Chenthu> Could some one help me with installation?
[20:40] <holstein> Chenthu: whats up?
[20:40] <Chenthu> hey holstein....i am new to linux on the whole and right now installing ubuntu
[20:41] <Chenthu> now i am in the "configuring grub-pc" section
[20:41] <Chenthu> its asking me to choose the place of grub install
[20:41] <holstein> did you download the alternate image or something?
[20:41] <Chenthu> yeah i downloaded the alternate image
[20:42] <holstein> anyways... do you have only one hard drive in the machine?
[20:42] <Chenthu> yeah only one and windows 7 is already installed
[20:42] <Chenthu> i want this to be a dual boot
[20:42] <bioterror> install it on /dev/sda
[20:43] <holstein> whats going to happen is, grub will install, and allow you to boot windows or ubuntu
[20:43] <Chenthu> but my windows 7 is on /dev/sda
[20:43] <Chenthu> wouldn it affect windows 7?
[20:43] <holstein> not the way you think
[20:43] <bioterror> it will install it on MBR
[20:43] <Chenthu> i chose alternate because i wanted to download quickly using torrents
[20:43] <bioterror> !mbr
[20:43] <holstein> windows is likely on /dev/sda1
[20:43] <ubot2> GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 - See !grub1 for releases before Karmic (9.10)
[20:43] <Chenthu> i know mbr
[20:44] <holstein> Chenthu: the other installer 'just works'
[20:44] <holstein> i cant imagine it being any faster or slower to download
[20:44] <holstein> but this will work fine for you
[20:44] <Chenthu> oh ok...anyway...now that i have downloaded and installed...let me learn the hard way... :-P
[20:45] <Chenthu> wont this grub install on /dev/sda invalidate my windows
[20:45] <holstein> invalidate?
[20:45] <Chenthu> meaning wont it be problematic to start windows 7?
[20:45] <holstein> grub will not do anything that makes win7 not boot
[20:46] <Chenthu> oh ok...cause i ve had this problem previously
[20:46] <Chenthu> cause i am like a summer fag
[20:46] <holstein> i always suggest backing up data, and knowing how to revert
[20:46] <holstein> and having the tools to revert
[20:46] <Chenthu> i tried linux  long back...same ubuntu and had probs
[20:46] <Chenthu> data backed up
[20:46] <Chenthu> i am just afraid would have to extra work if things get messed up
[20:46] <Chenthu> lol
[20:46] <holstein> if this hoses something, you need to know how to use gparted to regrow that ntfs partition, and a win cd to recover the MBR
[20:47] <holstein> then, you literally cant break anything
[20:47] <Chenthu> hmmmm
[20:47] <Chenthu> lol
[20:47] <Chenthu> k
[20:47] <Chenthu> k i ve chosen /dev/sda
[20:47] <holstein> but, linux/grub wont break windows
[20:47] <Chenthu> thanks for heklping me choose
[20:47] <Chenthu> thats good
[20:47] <holstein> that doesnt mean you cant ;)
[20:48] <Chenthu> but previously a year back when i installed linux as a dual boot to my windows 7
[20:48] <Chenthu> my windows 7 wasnt able to come back...but that was back track
[20:48] <Chenthu> i hope things are ok
[20:48] <Chenthu> whats the difference between normal and alternate?
[20:48] <holstein> well, i can postulate several scenarios that could have happened
[20:49] <holstein> none of which involve linux or grub breaking anything
[20:49] <holstein> one thing, if you come here *before* doing anything, and ask
[20:49] <Chenthu> if u are free...and wouldnt mind telling me ....u could postulate those scenarios
[20:49] <holstein> or check in...
[20:49] <holstein> i would have suggested the normal CD just because i think the GUI is easier to wrap the mind around
[20:50] <Chenthu> yeah...but thats was not available in official torrents...and i am not using a cd i am using a usb
[20:50] <holstein> Chenthu: you could have had the ntfs partition deleted by accident
[20:50] <Chenthu> and torrents are easy
[20:50] <Chenthu> oh...is it?...yeah i culd have
[20:50] <holstein> right, but thats a more complex installer
[20:50] <holstein> these are the issues you face
[20:51] <holstein> whats gurb? where does it go?
[20:51] <Chenthu> yeah.....sure co,plex it is but i am learning
[20:51] <holstein> the other install just does it for you
[20:51] <holstein> automatically
[20:51] <holstein> not that you cant do it that way, its just arguably not the best choice for a beginner
[20:51] <Chenthu> yeah ...
[20:52] <holstein> AND, you can see the live CD running on your hardware
[20:52] <Chenthu> hey i have wondows but it detects as vista?..is that normal?
[20:52] <holstein> you have no idea if the hardware is supported right now
[20:52] <Chenthu> windows 7
[20:52] <holstein> you are just going to boot and hope for the best
[20:52] <Chenthu> omg is it?...i dont know that...
[20:52] <holstein> IF you have the live CD, you can see the desktop running on your hard ware, test things, see the sound working, check the graphics, network, whatever
[20:53] <holstein> the live CD is an awesome tool we have that the proprietary systems cant provide
[20:53] <Chenthu> thats a sure thing....i used live cd of back track and recently "tails"
[20:53] <holstein> Chenthu: not to scare you, everything is fixable... im just saying, i would have suggested that
[20:54] <Chenthu> ok.... :)
[20:54] <holstein> i like to see everything working, or know whats not going to work and why before i partition the hard drive
[20:54] <Chenthu> is it ok...if my grub install detects windows 7 to be vista?
[20:54] <holstein> on a box i have, the recovery partition is labeled vista
[20:55] <holstein> i wouldnt sweat the labels
[20:55] <Chenthu> oh k...lol
[20:55] <Chenthu> k k
[20:55] <holstein> if it boots win7, its all good, and you can always change that label if you care
[20:55] <Chenthu> yeah....
[20:56] <Chenthu> first i used USB tool specified by ubuntu to creatae my usb install disk
[20:57] <Chenthu> it dint work...then afetr a lot of research without answers tried doing that with unetbootin
[20:57] <Chenthu> and it worked
[20:57] <Chenthu> lol
[20:57] <holstein> yeah, i use unet
[20:57] <Chenthu> thats good
[20:58] <Chenthu> ok installed
[20:58] <Chenthu> restarted
[20:59] <Chenthu> now choose windows 7 on boot menu
[20:59] <Chenthu> to check if thats working
[20:59] <Chenthu> wow...windows 7 works fine
[20:59] <Chenthu> now for ubuntu
[21:00] <Chenthu> restarted...choose ubuntu...
[21:00] <Chenthu> waiting
[21:01] <Chenthu> working logged in
[21:01] <Chenthu> but mouse speed is fast
[21:01] <holstein> of course :)
[21:02] <Chenthu> lolk
[21:02] <Chenthu> three errors so far at the first startup
[21:02] <holstein> not bad considering
[21:02] <Chenthu> omg i think its frozen
[21:02] <holstein> you're not counting that mouse thing as an error are you?
[21:02] <Chenthu> u mean :the alternate version"?
[21:02] <Chenthu> nope
[21:02] <holstein> OK
[21:03] <holstein> the end result with the alternate and the normal are the same
[21:03] <holstein> you just didnt get an opportunity to test
[21:03] <Chenthu> good then
[21:03] <Chenthu> but mine crashed
[21:03] <Chenthu> lol
[21:03] <Chenthu> i am restarting again to check if there is any luck
[21:03] <holstein> yeah?
[21:03] <Chenthu> yeah
[21:04] <holstein> im going to suggest you try to get to a terminal
[21:04] <holstein> and upgrade
[21:04] <Chenthu> three windows with errors popped up
[21:04] <Chenthu> i gave close
[21:04] <holstein> are you online?
[21:04] <Chenthu> not yet
[21:04] <Chenthu> then crashed
[21:04] <holstein> i would upgrade first
[21:04] <Chenthu> i ll check if i could connect to net after i log in and connect my 3G stick
[21:05] <holstein> can you just wire it up temporarily?
[21:05] <Chenthu> no way...lol
[21:05] <Chenthu> i am in a hotel and i use my 3g
[21:06] <Chenthu> "could not update  ICEauthority file /home/....
[21:06] <holstein> good luck with that... does your 3g support linux?
[21:06] <Chenthu> this sucks
[21:06] <Chenthu> yup it does...i think so
[21:07] <holstein> Chenthu: yeah, i hate it that you came so late... im not even sure what version you installed
[21:07] <Chenthu> cause when i used a live system (tails) it worked
[21:07] <holstein> i would have suggested the normal live CD for 10.04 which is the LTS
[21:07] <Chenthu> 11.04
[21:07] <holstein> that being said, you can sort all this out i bet
[21:07] <Chenthu> omg...i should have come here met and have decided...
[21:08] <holstein> eh... you can sort it out... i just hate to see you have such a bad experience
[21:08] <Chenthu> :(....thanks man.....i think u must be a ubuntu lover
[21:08] <Chenthu> i ll try boooting up with the recobvery mode
[21:08] <holstein> Chenthu: i would try upgrading first
[21:09] <holstein> you dont need to recover anything really
[21:09] <Chenthu> why?...
[21:09] <Chenthu> cause it says no session found
[21:09] <holstein> what does?
[21:09] <Chenthu> thats not a priob with recovery?
[21:09] <Chenthu> i said three error right?
[21:09] <holstein> yeah, but upgrades could fix everything
[21:10] <Chenthu> hmmm.....
[21:10] <Chenthu> but to upgrade i should have atleast a terminal right?
[21:10] <holstein> for example, the netbook im using, i installed, no sound or wifi
[21:10] <Chenthu> i couldnt even see my desktop
[21:10] <holstein> i plugged it in, and upgraded, and everything just worked
[21:10] <Chenthu> its all black without any buttons even in taskbar
[21:11] <Chenthu> before i chose ubuntu
[21:11] <holstein> Chenthu: you can hit control+alt+F2
[21:11] <holstein> that'll get you to a terminal
[21:11] <holstein> but, you'll need to be online
[21:11] <Chenthu> i made a comaprison of all linux and chose ubuntu tio be best...
[21:11] <holstein> eh, depends on what you need
[21:11] <Chenthu> i heared 11.04 is buggy but decided to go cause i wanna make it work...lol
[21:11] <holstein> ubuntu does desktop pretty well i think
[21:12] <Chenthu> oh ok
[21:12] <Chenthu> ctrl alt f2?
[21:12] <Chenthu> will try now
[21:12] <holstein> yup
[21:12] <holstein> control+alt+F7 or F8 to get back
[21:12] <Chenthu> yeah even desktop i chjecked abt gnome and kde
[21:13] <holstein> 11.04 has unity
[21:13] <Chenthu> but from what i have read kde seems good..but ununtu has gnome
[21:13] <holstein> ubuntu has unity actually
[21:13] <holstein> they just switched
[21:13] <holstein> but, to be more presice
[21:13] <holstein> ubuntu comes with unity
[21:14] <holstein> theres kubuntu which comes with KDE, and xubuntu with XFCE
[21:14] <Chenthu> oh...lol that part i never noticed
[21:14] <holstein> but, you can always add whatever you want
[21:14] <Chenthu> yerah kubuntu and xubuntu i heared
[21:14] <bioterror> or just install mini installation and build things yourself
[21:14] <Chenthu> unity?...how is it ?...nice from ur view point?
[21:14] <holstein> these linux systems are cusomizable by nature
[21:14] <holstein> bioterror: :)
[21:14] <bioterror> choose any window manager and add stuff
[21:15] <Chenthu> k
[21:15] <holstein> yeah, build your own as you want it to be
[21:15] <bioterror> it's the best!
[21:15] <Chenthu> cAN I BUILD MY OWN NOW?
[21:15] <Chenthu> sry for the caps thing
[21:15] <Chenthu> was a mistake
[21:15] <Chenthu> k my terminal is up.....what now?
[21:16] <holstein> http://www.edubuntu.org/vmmanager is a way to see unity in action, assuming you dont have it working
[21:16] <holstein> Chenthu: if i were you, i would want to get that online and upgrade
[21:16] <holstein> the problem is, you dont have a way to plug it in
[21:17] <Chenthu> how to do that?/...u have the tinme to guide me or i shoiuld search online?
[21:17] <Chenthu> i have wifi though...
[21:17] <holstein> well, can you plug it in?
[21:17] <Chenthu> tahts my other option
[21:17] <holstein> when you do you run in the terminal
[21:17] <holstein> sudo apt-get update
[21:17] <holstein> and
[21:17] <Chenthu> k
[21:17] <holstein> sudo apt-get upgrade
[21:17] <Chenthu> k
[21:18] <Chenthu> can i use my wifi?
[21:18] <holstein> maybe
[21:18] <Chenthu> any command or just have to connect it?
[21:18] <Chenthu> i mdean just on my wifi
[21:18] <Chenthu> ?
[21:18] <holstein> i wouldnt know where to begin to connect to wifi from the terminal
[21:19] <holstein> theres a package i could suggest, but you'd need to be online to get it ;)
[21:19] <holstein> i would reboot
[21:19] <holstein> try to get onlin from the normal desktop, and go from there
[21:19] <holstein> in the terminal you can run sudo reboot
[21:19] <Chenthu> mmm...ok
[21:19] <Chenthu> k
[21:19] <holstein> im just saying, dont waste time fixing things til you upgrade... fixes might already be available
[21:20] <Chenthu> k
[21:20] <Chenthu> i do that a lot..."waste time in fixing things thats been fixed already"
[21:20] <Chenthu> i have to change that attitude
[21:20] <Chenthu> rebootin
[21:21] <holstein> eh, its all a learning experience
[21:21] <Chenthu> :)
[21:21] <Chenthu> is it possible for me to rebuild my ubuntu
[21:22] <Chenthu> i mean can i change it completely and remove unwanted and add new wanted?
[21:22] <holstein> its linux... the answer is always yes pretty much
[21:22] <bioterror> !pure gnome
[21:22] <ubot2> Factoid 'pure gnome' not found
[21:22] <bioterror> !puregnome
[21:22] <ubot2> If you want to remove all !Kubuntu packages or !Xubuntu packages and have a default !Ubuntu system, follow the instructions here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureGnome
[21:22] <bioterror> take from purekde command for removing gnome ;)
[21:22] <bioterror> and then fetch ubuntu-desktop metapackage
[21:23] <Chenthu> thanks bot noted down
[21:23] <Chenthu> bioterror: just purekde?
[21:23] <bioterror> !purekde | Chenthu
[21:23] <ubot2> Chenthu: If you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here « https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE »
[21:23] <Chenthu> will it remove all those installed extras?
[21:24] <bioterror> that's how you remove desktops ;)
[21:24] <bioterror> and install anothers
[21:24] <bioterror> without reinstallation
[21:24] <Chenthu> ubot2:thank you....so now that i have iunity on ubuntu 11.04...what should i use4?
[21:24] <ubot2> Chenthu: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[21:24] <Chenthu> lol...ok...i thought bot was a person
[21:25] <Chenthu> bioterror: tq
[21:25] <Chenthu> but can i just use the said commasnd to do it?
[21:26] <holstein> Chenthu: you might want to look at virtualbox
[21:26] <Chenthu> virtualbox?...u mean like a sandbox?
[21:26] <holstein> i remember using virtualbox in windows to try things out... you can really break something and easily revert
[21:26] <holstein> a lot of it is personal preference
[21:27] <Chenthu> i thought abt that...but i dont know whats the reason...i hate virtual box
[21:27] <holstein> well, VMware... whatever you use
[21:27] <Chenthu> do i have any terminal command to just revert back to pure ubuntu
[21:28] <Chenthu> i mean "uninstall everything?
[21:28] <holstein> theres probably a big paste in there at that link
[21:28] <Chenthu> oh ok...will read that
[21:28] <holstein> again, not really something i would say to do as a beginner
[21:28] <Chenthu> sisnce iw as chatting and diont wanna miss what u were saying i just opened and never lookd at that link
[21:28] <holstein> unless you have a clear idea of where you want to go
[21:29] <Chenthu> is this valid "i have a clear idea of removing all packages installed except for the drivers and some bacsic packs"
[21:29] <holstein> sure, but im just not sure whats what in there
[21:30] <holstein> might remove 3g support? im not sure
[21:30] <Chenthu> yeah thats agood question
[21:30] <holstein> you'd just have to try and and see
[21:30] <Chenthu> omg yeah thats there
[21:30] <holstein> and again, as long as you know how, and have the tools to revert, go for it :)
[21:31] <Chenthu> will giove some time over this...orelse i am just gonna revert...lol
[21:31] <Chenthu> k i ams treaming wifi from mobile
[21:31] <Chenthu> i just have to google to use it in termianal
[21:31] <holstein> if you are connected, thats it
[21:31] <holstein> just upgrade
[21:31] <holstein> theres an update tool you can use if you prefer
[21:32] <Chenthu> i am trying to connect now
[21:32] <Chenthu> i am using the 3g here
[21:32] <Chenthu> so i am streaming my mobile 3g as wifi
[21:36] <Chenthu> found a way to use wifi from terminal
[21:36] <Chenthu> need to have certain tools
[21:36] <Chenthu> and this pack do has that
[21:37] <Chenthu> but it says need to install driver
[21:37] <holstein> right, thats the rub
[21:38] <holstein> check out... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[21:38] <holstein> see if that pertains ^^
[21:38] <holstein> theres a way to download what you need and move it over via USB stick
[21:39] <Chenthu> terminal gave alink to download driver
[21:39] <Chenthu> first ill try thth
[21:39] <holstein> be sure you contact the vendor of your hardware and let them know how much of a hard time you had since they dont allow drivers to be included with linux
[21:40] <holstein> Chenthu: good luck... i gotta run... BBL
[21:40] <Chenthu> thank u verymuch holstein
[21:40] <Chenthu> BB
[21:40] <Chenthu> Tc
[21:40] <Chenthu> yeah will tell them...but my laptop is 5 years old
[21:40] <Chenthu> will be buying new one only next month
[21:40] <Chenthu> lol
[21:46] <Chenthu_> k
[21:57] <^aL-ITAngel^> hellooo! salut tout le monde :-)
[21:58] <nit-wit> mmmmm megadeath
[22:21] <Chenthu> lo\
[22:28] <^aL-ITAngel^> lo ibuclaw nhandler tronyx sardonyx en taro Adun starcraftman !!!
[22:34] <starcraftman> ^aL-ITAngel^: en taro tassadar!
[22:35] <^aL-ITAngel^> :-)
[22:35] <^aL-ITAngel^> do you remember me?
[22:36] <starcraftman> ^aL-ITAngel^: not really, my memory leaving me at that young an age? depressing :/
[22:37] <^aL-ITAngel^> lol
[22:37] <^aL-ITAngel^> I will refresh it
[22:37] <^Zen-hoOb-bit> kaukola
[22:39] <starcraftman> ^Zen-hoOb-bit: still kinda lost me >.>.
[22:40] <^Zen-hoOb-bit> lol
[22:40] <^Zen-hoOb-bit> I'm a very old user, don't worry ^^
[22:41] <^Zen-hoOb-bit> I've been out for years
[22:42] <starcraftman> ^Zen-hoOb-bit: ok then, uh, I guess I'm not that old. Just been a bit inactive lately. Need more activity.
[22:46] <^Zen-hoOb-bit> I need help : Do you know how can I upgrade the old ubuntu 8.04 to the 8.10 and more? I tryied with different servers but nothing happens... It's possible to upgrade it using the ubuntu 8.10 cd-rom?
[22:46] <charlie-tca> upgrade direct to 10.04 ?
[22:47] <starcraftman> ^Zen-hoOb-bit: you want to upgrade 8.04 to 8.10? Those are very old versions >.>
[22:47] <starcraftman> I'd recommend something a little more recent. 10.04 at least.
[22:48] <^Zen-hoOb-bit> yes because I don't want to erase the disk or reinstall all from zero.
[22:49] <^Zen-hoOb-bit> but I would like to have the 10.04 LL
[22:49] <charlie-tca> 8.04 to 10.04 is a supported upgrade
[22:50] <charlie-tca> You don't have to go through everything else
[22:50] <starcraftman> ^Zen-hoOb-bit: Instructions > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LucidUpgrades#Upgrade%20from%208.04%20LTS%20to%2010.04%20LTS
[22:50] <^Zen-hoOb-bit> really???
[22:51] <starcraftman> ^Zen-hoOb-bit: course, that's how lts always been with lts.
[22:54] <^Zen-hoOb-bit> great!!! En Taro Tassadar!
[22:54] <starcraftman> ^Zen-hoOb-bit: have fun
[22:55] <^Zen-hoOb-bit> why haven't I asked it before? I thought I had to reinstall all... waited for ages...


[01:38] <saiarcot895> Hi, I need some help on understanding why an error occurs
[01:38] <saiarcot895> In the OpenSceneGraph build log for Saucy (https://launchpadlibrarian.net/147019889/buildlog_ubuntu-saucy-armhf.openscenegraph_3.0.1-4.1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz) there are a few lines towards the end basically saying that there are conflicting definitions of variables
[01:39] <saiarcot895> this error doesn't occur on i386 or amd64; why does it occur on armhf?
[13:58] <tinti> mfisch: ping
[14:00] <mfisch> tinti: pong
[14:00] <tinti> mfisch: hi, is there any official channel for ubuntu-edge and ubuntu-for-android?
[14:00] <mfisch> tinti: #ubuntu-touch for the edge, there is no channel for Ubuntu for Android
[14:03] <tinti> mfisch: ok, thanks for the great job :)
[14:03] <tinti> the reddit was very good
[14:21] <andrewsmith> i don't understand
[14:21] <andrew_> which server this is on
[14:21] <andrewsmith> ubuntu
[14:21] <andrew_> or freenode?
[14:23] <k1l> ubuntu is a redirect to freenode
[14:24] <andrewsmith> ah, cool, thanks