[00:16] <lennart> Hello anyone, i'm having some problems wt
[00:18] <lennart> with a bug, what happens is: when i remove the power cable from my laptop, the computer goes to sleep after some seconds. Im running karmic alpha5 with latest upgrades
[00:18] <lennart> oh im having a hp dv1667 laptop also
[00:19] <lennart> im a novice so not sure what to so should i file a bug report?? how can i check so it's not a duplicate etc?
[00:20] <micahg> lennart: well, have you tried #ubuntu+1 to see if there's a quick solution
[00:20] <micahg> that's the official support channel for karmic at the moment
[00:20] <micahg> if you need help filing a bug, please come back
[00:21] <lennart> okey sorry, but didn't know where to turn and saw this irc from: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[00:22] <micahg> yep
[00:23] <micahg> that's ok lennart, please come back if you need help filing a bug
[00:23] <eltoozero> anyone, an assist figuring out which package to blame for a bug?
[00:23] <micahg> eltoozero: what;s the problem?
[00:24] <eltoozero> wifi freeze
[00:24] <micahg> did you check syslog for what's locking up?
[00:24] <micahg> or to see if it has anything in there
[00:25] <micahg> what wifi client??
[00:25] <eltoozero> specifically, a freeze when toggling wifi...
[00:25] <eltoozero> by client, not sure what you mean, adapter?  I'm using NetworkManager
[00:25] <micahg> yep
[00:26] <micahg> check /var/log/syslog for any clues
[00:26] <micahg> but either linux or network-manager
[00:26] <micahg> would be my guess
[00:26] <eltoozero> so really, it would be the last entry in syslog before the reboot...
[00:27] <micahg> yes
[00:27] <micahg> eltoozero: is apport enabled?
[00:27] <eltoozero> whenever a crash happens where the system is recoverable, I get an automatic bug reporting thingamagig
[00:28] <eltoozero> I was under the impression that was apport
[00:28] <micahg> yep
[00:28] <micahg> and nothing comes up when you reboot?
[00:28] <eltoozero> but it doesn't happen when I get the halt
[00:28] <eltoozero> negatory
[00:28] <micahg> ah
[00:28] <micahg> ok
[00:28] <eltoozero> the wifi disables itself in hardware, so that part happens ok
[00:29] <eltoozero> but I get a non-blinking console cursor, and my mouse cursor on a black screen, no REISUB helps, only shut down
[00:29] <eltoozero> n
[00:29] <eltoozero> I know wifi disables because it's off when the system is restarted
[00:29] <micahg> which kernel?
[00:29] <eltoozero> and I originally reported under bluetooth because I have to toggle bluetooth 1st to reproduce
[00:29] <micahg> which wifi chipset?
[00:29] <eltoozero> been happening on every karmic build so far
[00:30] <eltoozero> rt2680 off the top of my head, uno momento.
[00:30] <eltoozero> rt2860
[00:30] <eltoozero> I have a video of it posted in the bt bug
[00:31] <micahg> I'd say file it against linux unless rt2860 is a separate driver
[00:31] <eltoozero> bug #420363
[00:31] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 420363 in gnome-bluetooth "[eee 901][karmic]system freeze when toggling wifi while bluetooth disabled" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/420363
[00:31] <micahg> but with bluetooth enabled it works?
[00:32] <eltoozero> I can toggle wifi all night and day unless i toggle bt first
[00:32] <eltoozero> bizzare
[00:32] <eltoozero> reproduced on two machines
[00:32] <eltoozero> Eee 901 and Eee 1000H, same i945GME and GMA950, same rt2860.
[00:34] <eltoozero> I found it when I was trying to "learn" the radio LED, it only goes off when both BT and wifi are disabled.
[00:34] <micahg> eltoozero: I'd say try #ubuntu-kernel to see if they have any ideas
[00:34] <eltoozero> thanks, I'll give it a shot.
[00:35] <eltoozero> micahg, you never let me down.
[00:35] <micahg> heh, mp eltoozero
[00:35] <micahg> *np
[06:28] <dholbach> good morning
[06:28] <wadmurr> i have a touchpad that has worked in 8.10 and 9.04, but is no longer working in 9.10 dailies.
[06:29] <wadmurr> specifically, the touch-to-click is not working. how do i go about reporting this?
[06:32] <wadmurr> nevermind :) i think i found the answer at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[07:21] <thekorn> good morning
[09:36] <johe> is it a bug that hardy does not manage more than 20 Groups per user ?
[13:57] <Hew> bdmurray, jcastro, pedro_, could someone please update my ubuntu-bugcontrol membership?
[13:57] <pedro_> Hew, what's your launchpad id?
[13:57] <Hew> pedro_, hew
[14:00] <pedro_> Hew, renewed, thanks!
[14:01] <matti> ;]
[14:01] <Hew> pedro_, thank you! :-)
[14:54] <bddebian> Boo
[14:56] <pedro_> buu!
[18:00] <hggdh> yes, bug trail is working again :-)
[18:52] <metalf8801> Hi I'm testing Ubuntu 9.10 Alpha 5 and I got this message when running update manager
[18:52] <metalf8801> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[18:52] <metalf8801> E: _cache->open() failed, please report.
[18:52] <metalf8801> I'm able to fix the problem but I'm not sure how to report the bug or at least I'm guess I need to do more then say what I just did up above
[18:53] <micahg1> you could run ubuntu-bug update-manager
[18:54] <metalf8801> oh that's it ok thanks
[21:08] <BUGabundo> guud evening kids
[21:39] <alourie> bdmurray: hi brian, are you around?
[21:40] <bdmurray> alourie: yes
[21:40] <alourie> bdmurray: I found that canned responses do work, but strangly
[21:40] <alourie> enough
[21:41] <alourie> bdmurray: If I do generic "Add comment" - there's nothing, but if I select package (with the little triangle near it), then a whole new section opens
[21:42] <alourie> where I can change package and comment on that change
[21:42] <bdmurray> alourie: that's the way it is designed
[21:42] <alourie> aaa
[21:42] <alourie> that's it
[21:42] <alourie> it wasn't obvious :-)
[21:42] <bdmurray> hmm
[21:42] <alourie> ok then
[21:43] <bdmurray> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~gm-dev-launchpad/launchpad-gm-scripts/master/files
[21:43] <alourie> bdmurray: I mean, it is more native to use simple "Add comment" to add a comment, isn't it? :-)
[21:43] <bdmurray> there is a screenshots directorty there
[21:43] <alourie> right
[21:44] <alourie> bdmurray: thanks :-)
[21:44] <bdmurray> maybe but the greasemonkey script existed before that add comment thing at the bottom of the bug report
[21:44] <bdmurray> additionally, the standard responses also performa actions which one can not do with the add comment function at the bottom of the bug page
[21:45] <alourie> bdmurray: maybe i could hack it a bit, to show the responses in the bottom part ...
[21:45] <micahg> that's what makes it awesome bdmurray :)
[21:45] <alourie> indeed
[21:55] <alourie> can I consult here regarding a specific bug? bug #427987, I want to mark it as a wishlist. Is it ok?
[21:55] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 427987 in kopete-facebook "Can't modify account" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/427987
[21:56] <micahg> ping hggdh
[22:05] <micahg> can someone please put eeebotu back into the announce channel?
[22:06] <bdmurray> alourie: Have you recreated the bug report?
[22:18] <alourie> bdmurray: which one? 427987?
[22:20] <bdmurray> yes, that's the one you asked about setting the importance for
[22:23] <alourie> bdmurray: no, I can't set importance, I don't have the right. I thought to add a tag "wishlist"
[22:26] <bdmurray> alourie: please don't add a tag of wishlist, based off my understanding of the bug report it sounds a bit more important than a wishlist bug.  However, it would be good to recreate it to find out for sure.
[22:26] <alourie> bdmurray: ok
[22:55] <bdmurray> plars: what's the unr bug tag?
[23:03] <plars> bdmurray: ubuntu-unr
[23:03] <plars> bdmurray: what's the bug #?
[23:03] <bdmurray> bug 427240
[23:03] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 427240 in ubuntu "UPGRADES UPDATES UNAVAILABLES" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/427240
[23:04] <bdmurray> its AWESOME
[23:04] <plars> nice description
[23:05] <plars> 8.10 lpia?  I'm thinking that might be some of the very old OEM stuff
[23:06] <bdmurray> oh right, hmm
[23:12] <plars> bdmurray: 8.04 rather
[23:12] <plars> bdmurray: "UnreportableReason: This is not a genuine Ubuntu package"


[00:04] <doc^> ls
[00:16] <dscassel> doc^: Wrong window? :)
[00:19] <doc^> yep :)
[00:21] <BobJonkman> Anyone here from the Toronto Release Party?
[00:21] <BobJonkman> I guess I'm looking for genii-around
[00:31] <SrRobot> Duh Hello.
[03:23] <BobJonkman> Wonderful Ubuntu Release Party!  Thanx, dscassel!
[18:06] <azend> Does anyone else have an issue with the unity launcher sticking closed when set to autohide?


[01:53] <eroniusmaximus> Hello People.
[01:59] <eroniusmaximus> I would like some help,
[01:59] <eroniusmaximus> I'm new to Linux and I want to know how to install Edubuntu
[02:00] <LaserJock> ok
[02:00] <LaserJock> are you wanting to put Edubuntu on regular machine?
[02:00] <LaserJock> or do you want to create a thin client server?
[02:00] <eroniusmaximus> err
[02:00] <eroniusmaximus> regular laptop
[02:01] <eroniusmaximus> duel boot - so that i can use XP too
[02:01] <eroniusmaximus> i downloaded the Edubuntu ISO,
[02:01] <LaserJock> ok, have you burned it to a CD yet?
[02:02] <eroniusmaximus> not yet
[02:02] <LaserJock> what version did you download 6.06 or 6.10?
[02:03] <eroniusmaximus> 6.10
[02:03] <LaserJock> k
[02:03] <LaserJock> so do you know how to burn an .iso image?
[02:06] <eroniusmaximus> ya.
[02:07] <eroniusmaximus> i have to get my ass out of bed to go to the convie to get a CD tho,
[02:09] <LaserJock> ok
[02:09] <LaserJock> so right now XP is taking up the whole hard drive?
[02:14] <nixternal> hehe
[02:15] <eroniusmaximus> yeh
[02:16] <LaserJock> ok, well you'll want to make some room first
[02:16] <eroniusmaximus> do i just stick the linux CD in and it will repartition and install and do everything
[02:16] <LaserJock> well, it can
[02:16] <LaserJock> but it's safer to resize the XP partition from XP, in my opinion
[02:17] <LaserJock> I used Partition Magic to do it with my laptop
[02:17] <eroniusmaximus> ok
[02:18] <LaserJock> so you want to be very careful with partitions
[02:18] <eroniusmaximus> the drive is NTFS, is that ok
[02:18] <LaserJock> yep
[02:18] <eroniusmaximus> i repartition with Partition Magic and leave several Gigabytes unassigned, or?
[02:18] <LaserJock> yeah
[02:19] <LaserJock> how big is your hard drive?
[02:20] <eroniusmaximus> 25gb 25gb 2.5gb
[02:20] <eroniusmaximus> c d e
[02:21] <LaserJock> 1 hard drive with 3 partitions?
[02:22] <eroniusmaximus> i dunno, the laptop came like that
[02:22] <LaserJock> hmm, I'm guessing so, laptops generally don't have more than one hard drive I don't think
[02:22] <LaserJock> so do you have stuff on all 3?
[02:23] <eroniusmaximus> ya
[02:23] <LaserJock> can you move stuff to make one free?
[02:23] <eroniusmaximus> ill do it on D
[02:23] <eroniusmaximus> not empty,
[02:24] <eroniusmaximus> but D currently has 8GB free
[02:24] <LaserJock> k
[02:24] <LaserJock> I'd try something like Parition Magic then. That's a fairly complicated partitioning structure
[02:30] <eroniusmaximus> ok
[02:53] <eroniusmaximus> so, what does Edubuntu offer
[03:21] <cliebow> what doesnt it 8~)\
[03:21] <cliebow> wicked good support
[03:22] <cliebow> 8`)
[03:29] <eroniusmaximus> hehe
[03:29] <eroniusmaximus> i figured there isn' much reason why i shouldn't use linux instead of windows
[03:30] <cliebow> there are a lot of edu programs for windows i havgnt gotten runing on linux..lexia comes to mind...
[03:30] <cliebow> ticks me off
[03:32] <eroniusmaximus> Eh, does Partition Magic cost money? :S
[03:35] <eroniusmaximus> Eh, Does Edubuntu automatic update?
[03:41] <cliebow> yes..will more or less self update..very reliable as well
[03:43] <eroniusmaximus> Is it better than Windows Vista
[04:14] <cliebow> eroniusmaximus:No you are far better off with windows
[04:14] <cliebow> i know when i been had
[04:17] <eroniusmaximus> eh
[10:10] <highvoltage> elmo40: hey there, did you get an answer about the CPU and RAM?
[10:11] <highvoltage> ah, seems like you did
[10:12] <smile> huh
[10:37] <stgraber> morning
[12:17] <smile> Is Edubuntu just for schools?
[12:17] <smile> Should I install Ubuntu rather than Edubuntu?
[12:17] <jsgotangco> no not really
[12:18] <jsgotangco> if you want the educational apps you can install edubuntu
[12:18] <jsgotangco> but even if you are in ubuntu, you can install the education apps
[12:55] <eroniusmaximus> so installing ubuntu plus tools is the same as installing edubuntu
[01:05] <highvoltage> eroniusmaximus: basially, yes
[01:06] <highvoltage> eroniusmaximus: edubuntu is almost like a quick ubuntu setup for schools
[01:06] <highvoltage> eroniusmaximus: you can do all of it manuallyin ubuntu, but edubuntu is the turnkey solution
[01:29] <elmo40> highvoltage: i did get some answers. just not the ones i was looking for :-P
[01:30] <elmo40> what are the apps called that edubuntu uses so i can install them in a 'regular' ubuntu computer?
[01:51] <highvoltage> elmo40: the easiest way to get them all is to install the edubuntu-desktop package
[02:29] <rbs-tito> Hi
[02:31] <elmo40> highvoltage: that is good to know :)
[02:32] <elmo40> this package is available in the regular repo's?
[02:34] <rbs-tito> Does anyone know of someone I can talk to, I'm looking to write about Edubuntu for Linux+ DVD magazine and was hoping to get an interview from someone involved with the project.
[02:35] <elmo40> it has been dead in here for a while... i suggest leaving your contact info and someone will get back to ya.
[02:36] <rbs-tito> Leaving my contact information here?
[02:37] <rbs-tito> I'm Roberto Sarrionandia, you can reach me on irc.freenode.net as rbs-tito, or contact me through email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:38] <elmo40> someone will read this, inform the correct channels
[02:39] <highvoltage> elmo40: yes, it is
[02:39] <highvoltage> rbs-tito: you will most probably want to talk to Richard Weideman
[02:39] <elmo40> rbs-tito: what brought you to write about edubuntu?
[02:39] <highvoltage> rbs-tito: he is the education manager for Canonical<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:43] <rbs-tito> OK, I'll write an email. I am interested in Edubuntu and have been working with my local government to get it introduced into schools; I also write for a magazine and thought the publicity would do it good
[02:45] <elmo40> where is this 'local' gov't? ;) I am in Canada
[02:45] <rbs-tito> Pembrokeshire, Wales, the United Kingdom
[05:43] <cbx33> hey all
[05:43] <cbx33> ping ogra_
[05:46] <nixternal> hrmm, I need to edit a wiki page w.e.o/EdubuntuHandbook but it is locked, what gives :)
[05:46] <nixternal> hiya cbx33
[05:48] <nixternal> heh, how do you log into the Edubuntu wiki? am I that e.tarded that I don't see, or do you currently have it on lockdown
[05:48] <cbx33> nixternal hmm
[05:48] <cbx33> it shouldn't be
[05:48] <cbx33> lemme see
[05:49] <nixternal> every page says "Locked Page" for me
[05:49] <cbx33> are you logged in?
[05:49] <nixternal> I have no clue, I don't even see a login button
[05:49] <cbx33> hehe
[05:49] <nixternal> gahaha
[05:49] <nixternal> shush, i see it
[05:49] <cbx33> hehe
[05:49] <nixternal> MAKE IT BIGGER
[05:49] <cbx33> yeh i know
[05:49] <cbx33> that has been said many a time
[05:50] <nixternal> heh, I can't believe I studied that header for a good 2 minutes
[05:50] <cbx33> hehe :p
[05:50] <nixternal> the one bad thing about IRC, I can scroll up and erase my e.tardedness :)
[05:51] <cbx33> hehe
[05:51] <cbx33> it will be importalised for ever
[05:51] <cbx33> immortalised
[05:51] <cbx33> damn it
[05:51] <cbx33> now I'm stooopid too
[05:53] <nixternal> lol
[09:13] <nixternal> Alrighty, I have gone through and cleaned up the Handbook, added a little content, and straightened out the chapters.
[09:14] <nixternal> There are still quite a few sections needing someone to adopt them and rock and roll
[09:14] <nixternal> I also fixed the Makefiles to start building Edubuntu docs again. I need to fix the sidebar at doc.ubuntu.com to include Edubuntu docs. So far so good though
[09:15] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: nixternal++
[09:16] <highvoltage> nixternal: do you have a link perhaps, or is it in subversion somewhere?
[09:20] <nixternal> subversion is on the Ubuntu Doc Project server now
[09:20] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Repository
[09:22] <Burgundavia> hey highvoltage
[09:22] <Burgundavia> triaging compiz bugs is fun!
[09:24] <highvoltage> hey burgs
[09:29] <bronze> I thought triage was a special kind of foiliage....
[09:30] <highvoltage> only when bugs grow on trees
[09:32] <bronze> "tree-age"  pruning a corrupted B-tree.
[09:33] <Burgundavia> the really fun part of about compiz is the sheer number of non-standard packages
[09:34] <Burgundavia> thankfully the xgl craze has died away
[09:34] <Burgundavia> mostly I just have to deal with gandalfns packages now
[09:47] <nixternal> alrighty, release notes updated, doc.ubuntu.com sidebar updated, and working on creating the initial Edubuntu 7.04 doc package
[09:52] <pygi> edubuntugirl, tell ogra to poke me once he's around pls, thanks
[09:52] <edubuntugirl> Righto, pygi!


[11:49] <czajkowski> Aloha
[11:52] <airurando> morning czajkowski
[11:52] <airurando> morning all
[11:53] <czajkowski> airurando: howdy
[12:00] <airurando> good to see vibrant discussion re. UGJ Limerick in here yesterday.
[12:01] <czajkowski> aye
[12:03] <airurando> infoturtle had mentioned it at the Feb IRC meeting.
[12:03] <airurando> I poked him a few day ago to see if it was going ahead.
[12:03] <airurando> he sprung into action
[12:05] <czajkowski> great stuff
[14:19] <airurando> Hi ebel: you've got mail
[14:20] <ebel> hehehe
[14:24] <ebel> ah I see
[14:25] <czajkowski> airurando: where is the family ?
[14:37] <airurando> kids birthday party
[14:37] <czajkowski> so you'll be updating me with rugby then !
[14:38] <airurando> Jackie may be backsoon but thats OK
[14:38] <airurando> on twitter?
[14:39] <czajkowski> aye
[14:39] <airurando> will do
[17:31] <infoturtle> airurando you there?
[17:45] <airurando> infoturtle: yip, but a bit distracted.
[17:46] <airurando> and, at this stage, drunk.
[17:47] <infoturtle> airurando it's cool, just wanted to let you know, I started threads on boards, MilkLabs and Cork hackerspace and will give it about a week (unless thats too long a wait for you) to see interest. So far the threads on milklabs and cork hackersspace have not gone into the mailing list which concers me but both said they had to be sent through moderators
[17:47] <infoturtle> ha, enjoying the match so?
[17:50] <airurando> infoturtle: That's great.
[17:50] <czajkowski> just in for the next half
[17:51] <airurando> yip I'm enjoying the match.
[17:51] <airurando> welcome back czajkowski.
[17:52] <infoturtle> cool, just said I'd let you know about the time frame I'm going to spend waiting as my twitter is driving me mad, I'ma go watch the match too, see ya guys later!!
[17:53] <airurando> infoturtle: no panic just let me know if it's a go as soon as you know!


[14:32] <newbie> Hi guys... I want to setup a local Launchpad server for production.. are there any instructions???.. I have found this: https://dev.launchpad.net/Running.. but it only seems to be for development....


[09:37] <dkessel> ok, so module-init-tools still fails to authenticate ;)
[09:39] <flocculant> yep
[09:40] <dkessel> setting up snapshots to be able to verify the fix in all the upgrade scenarios when it is there
[09:41] <flocculant> it's definitely not the 'transient network issue' the error message alludes to :p
[09:41] <flocculant> I'll be just redoing them - hardware tests
[09:55] <flocculant> knome: the blocked thing was done - I forgot that I/we did that ...
[10:51] <knome> flocculant, lol
[10:52] <flocculant> :)
[10:53] <flocculant> I assume you had the mail - but update to cont-docs hanging around - guess that could go live when the 'user' bit does
[10:54] <knome> yes, i'll check that later today when i get back home
[10:54] <knome> we're just leaving
[10:54] <flocculant> have a good day :)
[10:54] <knome> ta ta, will at least try to
[10:54] <flocculant> :)
[11:55] <bluesabre> morning all
[11:55] <flocculant> hey bluesabre
[11:56] <bluesabre> hey flocculant
[12:55] <phillw> hiyas good people, having had a quick listen in on software center, Jorn did a change a while back (#177) https://code.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-software-center-team/lubuntu-software-center/lubuntu-software-center-trunk so it is flavour neutral. There was a bit of concern that you guys and galls would have to fork it and  maintain it. That is not the case. Lubuntu will look after it. I've just pinged our head of dev to ask that patch be added soon :
[12:55] <phillw> If you decide not to use it, that's fine. I just want you to know it is an option for you guys :)
[12:57] <phillw> knome: :-*we don't forget, it just takes a while :D
[13:06] <phillw> hi Noskcaj :)
[13:59] <dkessel> flocculant: was a little bit unsure if the bug is in the testcase or in the software - bug 1550927
[14:02] <dkessel> i was unsure because, to me, it makes more sense to still be Prompt=normal  after the upgrade, although the testcase insists on the opposite. but i guess one can argue on or the other way on the behaviour
[14:27] <flocculant> probably the testcase
[14:47] <dkessel> so nobody else really has those video playback issues in xenial?
[14:47] <dkessel> in both vlc and parole...
[14:55] <bluesabre> dkessel: what problems, can probably help
[14:57] <dkessel> well... some videos cannot be played at all. resulting in green (vlc) or black (parole) screen, but nothing else. also, vlc manages to play the audio, but parole cannot...
[14:57] <dkessel> bluesabre: ^
[14:59] <dkessel> mkv with h264 video, ac3 audio in this case
[15:11] <slickymaster> knome, been on the road all past week
[15:12] <slickymaster> just got home yesterday night
[15:12] <slickymaster> will start to work on the installer this week
[15:14] <slickymaster> also, it's now over a month past https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2016-January/011005.html
[15:14] <slickymaster> so we should start to think about doing something even though no one cares about it
[15:15] <dkessel> oh, it sounds good! maybe i should have responded
[15:16] <slickymaster> yes, do it please, dkessel
[15:39] <flocculant> dkessel: parole set it not use clutter - haven't a clue about vlc as I never use it
[15:40] <dkessel> flocculant: doesn't work. any other packages involved?
[15:40] <flocculant> slickymaster: on the other hand - why worry about other flavours?
[15:41] <flocculant> x windows (no xv) doesn't work?
[15:41] <flocculant> dkessel: ^^
[15:41] <dkessel> flocculant: nope
[15:42] <dkessel> and i've seen this video play before :p
[15:42] <dkessel> and thunar can create a thumbnail of it
[15:42] <flocculant> well - it works here :)
[15:43] <slickymaster> it's something that has an impact on all flavors flocculant
[15:43] <flocculant> slickymaster: no
[15:43] <slickymaster> how come?
[15:43] <flocculant> if other flavours aren't interested - then just worry about xubuntu
[15:44] <slickymaster> oh, on that you're right
[15:44] <flocculant> dkessel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15231175/
[15:44] <slickymaster> yeah, I do agree with you
[15:44] <flocculant> and I've got ffmpeg
[15:44] <flocculant> slickymaster: so basically what I'm saying is *shrug* just like they are :)
[15:45] <slickymaster> yes
[15:50] <dkessel> well, switching to ubuntu trusty for that video :p
[15:56] <dkessel> ...and that just works
[16:06] <flocculant> slickymaster: on a more interesting note - what's the plan with our slideshow :)
[16:09] <slickymaster> apparentlyknome has already move it
[16:09] <flocculant> dkessel: just ftr - installed vlc - plays mkv fine
[16:10] <flocculant> slickymaster: moved it?
[16:10] <slickymaster> lp:~xubuntu-doc/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/xubuntu-1604 is now the working branch
[16:10] <flocculant> oh right I see
[16:11] <slickymaster> our docs branch is about 140 MB, with it
[16:11] <slickymaster> I'm planning on start working on it this week
[16:12] <slickymaster> that and removing all the gmb references from the docs
[16:12] <flocculant> slickymaster: fyi - fop upgraded - still no pdf's
[16:13] <slickymaster> hmmm does krytarik has any ideas about it?
[16:13] <flocculant> no idea - knome was going to look - apparently a different issue now
[16:14] <slickymaster> are you thinking in anything in particular, re. the slideshow?
[16:15] <flocculant> nope
[16:15] <slickymaster> ok
[16:15] <flocculant> just interested :)
[16:15] <slickymaster> I'll ping you throughout the week
[16:15] <slickymaster> to be honest I'm still half asleep
[16:16] <slickymaster> arrived yesterady at 3:30 AM
[16:16] <slickymaster> * yesterday
[16:16] <flocculant> yea I saw :)
[21:10] <knome> flocculant, oh oops. yeah, fop..
[21:17] <knome> slickymaster, haven't thought much about the slideshow apart from the artwork side
[21:17] <knome> slickymaster, but one option is to go more "look, we have a website! look!"
[21:18] <knome> slickymaster, and then also highlighting the community
[21:18] <knome> slickymaster, if/when we do the wallpaper contest, results from that maybe (we discussed about that 2 years ago)
[21:22] <flocculant> knome: ha ha - I win that one :p
[21:23] <knome> flocculant, have you looked at lubuntu-software-center at some point?
[21:23] <Unit193> Considering the track record, upload history?
[21:24] <knome> Unit193, miss.
[21:24] <knome> Unit193, or in other words, explain :P
[21:25] <flocculant> knome: long time ago
[21:26] <knome> i think it would be worth looking at
[21:27] <knome> just because it's gtk and it supposedly works for lubuntu ;)
[21:27] <knome> also if you read the backlog, you'll notice that they are open to renaming it too
[21:28] <Unit193> "supposedly"
[21:28] <knome> well, i haven't heard horror stories of people using lubuntu who can't get their package manager to work
[21:46] <flocculant> bug 1497756 is still there
[21:47] <flocculant> if we went that way - and people installing xubuntu then decided to remove it - leaving behind a file doesn't enamour me to it
[21:48] <flocculant> 'large' is not what I would call the size of the file though (84Mb here) - I've got larger flac's
[21:48] <knome> ;)
[21:48] <Unit193> It'd be so easy to fix too. :/
[21:48] <flocculant> it was
[21:48] <flocculant> ...
[21:48] <Unit193> I mean in the packaging.
[21:49] <flocculant> :)
[21:49] <flocculant> I knew that
[21:49] <flocculant> anyway - so yes it has the repos in it (but I doubt that gs won't for long) and looks much of a muchness to usc and gs
[21:50] <flocculant> but frankly I would rather - if we have to change - change to gs given that Ubuntu will want to keep it working for longer than we would
[21:50] <flocculant> with the 5 year support cycle
[21:52] <flocculant> as far as gs goes - we need to try and get some sense of what's going on with making it work from them somehow
[21:52] <flocculant> bluesabre wanted us to be in a position to make decision by week tomorrow iirc
[21:53] <knome> of course if the bug(s) were fixed in lsc...
[21:54] <flocculant> regardless - I would rather use something with ubuntu behind it
[21:55] <knome> yep, that's never a bad thing
[21:55] <knome> ...unless it gets messy and installs half of gnome or unity :D
[21:55] <flocculant> well yea - but it doesn't seem to do so :)
[21:55] <knome> yet
[21:55] <knome> ;)=
[21:56] <flocculant> we should ramble on about this on wednesday more I think
[21:56] <knome> do you mean thursday?
[21:56] <flocculant> of course I do :p
[21:56] <knome> yep
[21:57] <flocculant> I should be there - might be late
[21:57] <knome> i should be there until i figure something more interesting to do
[21:57] <knome> ;)
[21:58] <flocculant> lol
[21:58] <flocculant> talking of which
[21:58] <flocculant> time to do a zebedee here :)
[21:58] <flocculant> night all
[21:58] <knome> nighty!
[22:22] <knome> flexiondotorg, hey! phillw was asking me about our decision to not support the pi images (https://ubuntu-pi-flavour-maker.org/)
[22:23] <flexiondotorg> knome, OK
[22:23] <knome> flexiondotorg, that led me to ask the question: why are the ISOs built to begin with since we said that we don't want to support?
[22:23] <flexiondotorg> Because people wanted them.
[22:23] <knome> without any explanation for the no, it feels a bit weird that we are listed there
[22:24] <flexiondotorg> Would you like them removed? Or would you like an explanation added the none on the Xubuntu core team have a Pi and are therefore unable to support them?
[22:25] <knome> we have a team meeting on thursday, and we could talk about this too
[22:25] <knome> i'm not in the position to choose this or that, but if the image is listed there, i personally would appreciate a note
[22:26] <flexiondotorg> knome, I'll add one.
[22:26] <knome> sth along the lines that it's an unofficial community build at minimum
[22:26] <knome> thanks
[22:26] <knome> let's figure out the best way for both
[22:26] <knome> i'll get back to you again after our meeting :)
[22:26] <knome> (or you can follow it on this very channel :P)
[22:27] <Unit193> Community spins are generally acceptable, though usually best to stick as close as one can to actual ISOs and no personal preferences changed (Source: I do community spins.)
[22:27] <knome> and considering that the flavour maker project supports the hardware, maybe a yellow no would be more appropriate
[22:28] <knome> Unit193, and note that they are unofficial community builds.
[22:28] <Unit193> (I think I note that, at least. >_> )
[22:28] <knome> Unit193, ...as you know and do
[22:33] <Unit193> Which, core is getting massive too...
[22:37] <knome> mm.
[22:39] <Unit193> 596M → 729M?  Yeeeah...
[23:04] <bluesabre> evening all
[23:05] <knome> hello bluesabre
[23:06] <bluesabre> hey knome
[23:07] <knome> bluesabre, you haven't reacted to my question about the media manager article series yet
[23:07] <knome> bluesabre, which is: what do you cloud player users want to say? :P
[23:08] <bluesabre> knome: hadn't seen a question :)
[23:08] <bluesabre> knome: maybe advertise cloud players that have some integration with ubuntu (sound indicator, notifications) or that are available in multiple countries, etc
[23:09] <bluesabre> with those, there may have to be some caution with the use of trademarks
[23:09] <knome> yeah...
[23:10] <knome> would you like to cooperate writing that one, or delegate the cooperation to somebody else on the cloud list
[23:10] <bluesabre> knome: there's also the trouble of package support. For Spotify to work, you have to grab a package that is no longer shipped in Ubuntu, etc
[23:10] <bluesabre> knome: I can certainly help with it
[23:10] <knome> but you can use play.spotify.com
[23:11] <knome> so maybe that's one of the aspects to mention
[23:11] <bluesabre> true
[23:11] <knome> let's coordinate the writing at http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-mm-cloud
[23:12] <bluesabre> knome: I probably don't have a lot of time to contribute to this in the next few hours, but guessing this is something we're working on for closer to release time?
[23:13] <knome> it looks like we will have four articles:
[23:13] <knome> - gmb
[23:13] <knome> - clementine
[23:13] <knome> - cloud
[23:13] <knome> - "others"
[23:13] <knome> so if we want to lead this to the release and release one article per week, the deadline is in about a month for the first one
[23:13] <knome> and we can do gmb/clementine first
[23:14] <knome> so not a huge rush, as long as we don't end up in the situation that we need to hastily put this together :D
[23:15] <Unit193> pithos has some indicator support, IIRC.
[23:15] <knome> Unit193, plz add in the pad
[23:16] <bluesabre> Unit193: yes, pithos has indicator support and notifications


[00:01] <ScottK> belgacem23: One person has joined since the last time you asked that.  The answer likely hasn't changed.
[00:04] <sommer> ScottK: I uploaded a new version of php5-clamavlib to the clamav ppa... for intrepid
[00:04] <sommer> ScottK: it builds fine, but I haven't actually tested it yest
[00:04] <sommer> err yet
[00:04] <ScottK> sommer: Great.  I'll try to have a look at it once you've tested it.
[00:05] <sommer> ScottK: I'm working on an updated hardy package, but how do you add backports to pbuilder?
[00:06] <ScottK> Same way you add universe, just add backports.
[00:06] <sommer> ah, I added hardy-backports
[00:06] <sommer> sigh
[00:07] <ScottK> Did you want to add hardy-backports or the clamav PPA?
[00:10] <sommer> hardy-backports, isn't that as up-to-date as the PPA at this point?
[00:13] <ScottK> No.  No 0.93 there because we don't have the rdepends all working yet.
[00:14] <ScottK> No clamav at all in *-backports right now.
[00:14] <sommer> ScottK: ah, gotcha
[00:14] <sommer> how do you enable the ppa in pbuilder again?  :)... is it --other-mirror?
[00:21] <sommer> oh ya, --override-config
[02:29] <tharis20> I need to take an internal HDD into a HDD Enclosure and I want to connect it to my lappy that that has WinXP and Ubuntu HH.
[02:29] <tharis20> Then, I want to install ubuntu-server in it
[02:29] <tharis20> *external HDD
[02:30] <tharis20> and then put the HDD back into the Desktop
[02:30] <tharis20> from where I took it
[02:30] <tharis20> how can I do it without screwing my Lappy's GRUB?
[04:22] <stiv2k> Hey how come this ssl-cert package has been being kept back on my server for like a really long time?
[04:34] <ScottK> stiv2k: Because you need to install the new openssl blacklist tool with it.
[04:34] <ScottK> stiv2k: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade.
[04:59] <stiv2k> ScottK: ok
[05:06] <stiv2k> ScottK: thank you!
[05:07] <ScottK> stiv2k: Any time a package gets held back, you should investigate it immediately.
[05:08] <stiv2k> ScottK: okay
[08:22] <jussi01> Ok, we have a shared folder on our fileserver(via samba), when people fom windowws write  to it the permissions are set to their own and nobody else can read it.
[08:22] <jussi01> how does one make it so when users write everyone can read?
[08:32] <hads> jussi01: I don't use samba but you'll want to look into umask
[08:32] <jussi01> hads: ok, thanks. googling now :D
[08:33] <hads> jussi01: NP, just saw this http://lists.samba.org/archive/samba/2002-August/050432.html
[08:37] <jussi01> hads: ahh, that explains t well! thanks
[08:38] <hads> No worries
[08:49] <kraut> moin
[09:44] <celephais> Ciao, stò cercando di installare la versione server utilizzando PXE, fino ad ora sono riuscito a configurare il server dhcp e tftp, provando il boot da PXE tutto funziona. Ma la cosa che non riesco a capire è stò installando la versione serve o quella desktop. Ho usato la cartella netboot trovata su archive.ubuntu.com di hardy
[10:14] <trentster> hey all, need some advice, I want to setup a freenx deb machine at our datacentre for technicians to log into, One of the things they will be able to do from there is use tsclient or rdesktop to login to fix problems at our clients windows servers, I want the session to automatically loin to the server and supply the password, but I dont want the password to be in plain text in the .rdp conf file for them to read....any ideas
[10:25] <nocturn> I  tried to put Xen on my Ubuntu 8.04 server, but it seems to have broken the install.
[10:25] <nocturn> After aptitude install ubuntu-server-xen, the system barely boots
[10:25] <hads> nocturn: Xen isn't as supported on Hardy as KVM.
[10:26] <nocturn> logging in takes ages
[10:26] <nocturn> hads: I would use kvm if I could
[10:26] <nocturn> but the machine does not have VT
[10:26] <nocturn> I only need virtualisation to run Zimbra, because it conflicts with Apache and ldap on the real server
[10:27] <hads> Bummer. I don't know a lot about Xen so probably can't help.
[10:32] <nocturn> I think I'll have to move the server to CentOS :-(  Rather than run Vmware on Linux
[11:33] <Dark_Shadow> greetings, how can i use a command promt from netboot without needing to "setup" the rescue system, i need some minimal system which boots over pxe from where i can chroot to my "normal" enviroment
[12:01] <ikonia> Dark_Shadow: thats going to be tricky as yoru netboot image would have to be a system that was designed to boot/access as shell
[12:05] <Dark_Shadow> agreed, however the rescue system from the netboot should be able to, but i did not figure out how to skil the questions yet
[12:06] <ikonia> you wo'nt be able to interact with the install from the boot options
[12:06] <ikonia> you'll need to boot it then interact with it on the client to drop it in to rescue shell
[12:07] <ikonia> you may want to consider using an image thats specificlly designed for local interaction, eg: the Fedora rescue image, the LFS live cd, something that does a dhcp by default then drops into a shell on that system
[12:07] <Dark_Shadow> if i understand you right i got the prob that i do not have any local media there
[12:07] <ikonia> doesn't have to be local media "there", local media on the install / pxe server
[12:14] <Dark_Shadow> so the fed rescue image is able to boot from "netboot" and therefor i can get it a script to execute where i do chroot and "start" my normal enviroment right?
[12:15] <ikonia> no
[12:15] <ikonia> the fedora rescue image will netboot for you
[12:15] <ikonia> it will then present you with either a shell or a ncruses interface (dependong on your choice)
[12:15] <ikonia> from there you can manually mount your ubuntu environment
[12:17] <Dark_Shadow> hmm, guess i did not make myself clear enought, the last step should be a diskless ubuntu system booting through network without need a nfs server. therefor i do not "have" the option to manually set up the chroot
[12:17] <ikonia> then surly you can just telnet to the network where the "disksless" disks are stored
[12:18] <ikonia> I'm not quite sure I'm getting you
[12:18] <Dark_Shadow> k ill try to explain a bit brighter :) one sec
[12:18] <ikonia> you want to use a netboot image to chroot into a diskless box....that not using an NFS mount, so must only be running that in RAM  ?
[12:18] <Dark_Shadow> yes
[12:18] <Dark_Shadow> ideally i do not want to chroot
[12:19] <ikonia> well, that doesn't make any sense as by default if it's running the OS in ram, then the netboot must provide the image to load into ram
[12:19] <ikonia> so why do you need to "start it" as the netboot should start it as there is nothing to "start" without that image
[12:19] <Dark_Shadow> well ill explain
[12:20] <Dark_Shadow> i got the image/kernel +initramfs/tar whatever, it transfers to the client fine, extracting, booting till it wants to mount the root fs, at the point i get a kernelpanic
[12:20] <ikonia> ok.....
[12:20] <ikonia> ......and ?
[12:21] <Dark_Shadow> i cant seem to get it working after that point
[12:21] <Dark_Shadow> fstab mtab and kernel options seems to be fine
[12:21] <ikonia> ok - so what's all this stuff your trying to do then with netbooting other stuff
[12:21] <ikonia> Dark_Shadow: mtab can't be fine as it's not booted the OS - so how can you have an mtab
[12:22] <Dark_Shadow> let me explain further
[12:23] <Dark_Shadow> the diskless client i got a "working" image on hdd from, i boot this one, all fine, this image needs to be transportet through pxe to the client as its just temporary that the client has a hdd.
[12:23] <ikonia> thats not how it works
[12:23] <Dark_Shadow> as for the mtab, there was a howto i followed which created automatically an initram which i just needed to copy
[12:23] <ikonia> you can't take a working OS and make it into a pxe image
[12:23] <ikonia> well, not as easy as that
[12:24] <Dark_Shadow> thats where i would try the "netboot" and chroot method
[12:24] <ikonia> there is going to be references to physical disks which just won't exist on the netboot disksless system
[12:24] <Dark_Shadow> netboot, get a command prompt, cp the files to ram, and chroot
[12:24] <Dark_Shadow> yeah exactly
[12:24] <ikonia> Dark_Shadow: you can't netboot and chroot - there is nothing to chroot to
[12:24] <ikonia> "copy the files to ram" ???
[12:25] <ikonia> it's held in ram, so when you power of - it will go
[12:25] <ikonia> you need to edit the "image" before it boots
[12:26] <Dark_Shadow> yes
[12:26] <Dark_Shadow> but i can get it from the image
[12:26] <Dark_Shadow> this part should work in theory
[12:26] <Dark_Shadow> cp it from the server into the ramdisk
[12:26] <Dark_Shadow> then mount the ramdisk
[12:26] <Dark_Shadow> and chroot to it
[12:26] <Dark_Shadow> but i guess theres more references to hdds then fstab, kernel parameters and such
[12:26] <Dark_Shadow> yes its k that way
[12:26] <Dark_Shadow> its intendet
[12:26] <ikonia> I think your approaching this all wrong, especially for a diskless client
[12:27] <Dark_Shadow> hmm, i cant think of another solution without optical, hdd and without nfs
[12:28] <ikonia> not taking an image of a disk based system is a good start
[12:28] <ikonia> take apart the livecd and look how that works
[12:28] <ikonia> thats aimed at running in ram
[12:31] <Dark_Shadow> so i should try to install directly into the ram? then copy it to the server (when it works) and cp after the reboot again , did i get you right there?
[12:33] <Dark_Shadow> 32
[12:33] <Dark_Shadow> never mind that number >(
[12:39] <ikonia> not a case of "install into ram" as ram dissapears
[12:39] <ikonia> but "run" from or "uncompress working image into" ram
[12:39] <ikonia> again, look at how the livecd works, thats basiclly a working image
[12:48] <Dark_Shadow> hmm, guess i need to make my own live^cd^ after all, thanks for the help
[12:49] <ikonia> not quite your own livecd - but certainly the techinque the livecd uses to open into ram
[13:44] <jdstrand> zul: I have a patch for bug #241448
[13:45] <jdstrand> zul: it was an upstream bug introduced in the patch for CVE-2008-1105
[13:45] <jdstrand> zul: I'll be pushing that out today
[13:46] <jdstrand> zul: seb128 was able to reproduce it and verify the patch fixes it
[13:46] <zul> jdstrand: cool good to hear that it wasnt one of my patches that broke things ;)
[13:47] <jdstrand> zul: nope, it was mine
[13:47] <zul> jdstrand: it was a regression introduced by the cve intresting
[13:48] <jdstrand> zul: upstream's patch didn't deal with large files properly
[13:48] <lukehasnoname> soren: pwned me on that GUI ML entry
[13:48] <zul> jdstrand ahhh...I was thinking about that this weekend and we should probably enable the testsuite for samba as well
[13:48] <jdstrand> zul: https://bugzilla.samba.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5517
[13:48] <zul> yeah I saw that this weekend
[13:50] <jdstrand> zul: well, the test suite requires --enable-socket-wrapper, I am not sure if that is desired in a regular build. however, you do a 'fake build' with that enabled, then throw it away and build it for real
[13:51] <zul> jdstrand: yeah if you build it fakeroot debian/rules build it fails as well besides smbclient -L needs to be run as root
[13:52] <jdstrand> zul: oh that's right too-- 'sudo make test' in the qa-regression-testing notes
[13:53] <zul> it would have been a good though to enable it when it was building but it looks like it cant be done easily
[13:54] <zul> jdstrand: oh btw slangasek enabled the make test in the openldap debian packge's svn repo
[13:54] <jdstrand> cool
[13:54] <zul> one less thing we have to do for 2.4.10
[13:55] <jdstrand> ls
[14:55] <melter> is there a server build of intrepid alpha?
[14:59] <melter> nm, found it
[15:09] <brewmaster_> what do i need to do to refresh my ssl certificates?
[15:10] <brewmaster_> when i view from cpanel, it says it expires 2010
[15:10] <brewmaster_> but when i browse the site with FF / konqi, the info says expires in 2008
[15:10] <brewmaster_> (yesterday)
[15:11] <brewmaster_> restarting apache did nothing btw
[15:14] <croessner> Hi, is there somebody knowing on how to install Hardy on an Intel Apple Xserve?
[15:16] <croessner> Oh please, not all at once :-)
[15:16] <Birthday_Kaiser> patience :)
[15:17] <croessner> Birthday_Kaiser, just joking a bit.
[15:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> croessner, :)
[15:18] <croessner> Kamping_Kaiser, it's really hard to get answers on my topic. So I really do not believe in getting any help anywhere.
[15:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> i've got no idea. dont play with intel apples :)
[15:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> anyway, catch you later
[17:13] <Dark_Shadow_2> greetings, if one would create a netboot initram, does one have to alter the inittab/ or the /etc/event.d script files? If not, where do i have to put a script which runs before mounting root?
[17:33] <ScottK> mathiaz: I added my usual spec item to the agenda.  I think I added it in the wrong place though, so feel free to move it around.
[18:21] <celephais> i, is there a way with dpkg to save the installed program's list to a file and then install the same package on another machine?
[18:21] <maswan> --get-selections
[18:22] <celephais> uh thanks
[18:22] <celephais> and is there a way to copy configuration files too?
[18:44] <zul> mathiaz: I think jcastro mentioned that you should be able to link php and mysql bugs to launchpad soon
[19:14] <zul> jdstrand: ping, do you want me to do the samba fix for intrepid?
[19:15] <jdstrand> zul: no, I already did
[19:15] <zul> jdstrand: cool
[19:16] <jdstrand> zul finally realizes the benefits of jdstrand's core-dev membership
[19:16] <zul> jdstrand: heh I knew but you got to fix everything else so I thought you might need some help ;)
[19:24] <jdstrand> zul: I appreciate it :)
[19:24] <zul> jdstrand: np
[19:40] <melter> how do i replace dhcp3-client with dhcpcd?
[20:15] <lukehasnoname> mathiaz and mathiaz_ are both on
[20:15] <lukehasnoname> zomg
[20:22] <kylebrown> Hi
[20:22] <kylebrown> Can anyone help me set up my first linux server?
[20:27] <ScottK> kylebrown: It generally works better when you've tried yourself and then ask specific questions about problems you're having.
[20:27] <kylebrown> Well I have it installed. Can you help me from there? I am linux dumb, lol. I can use things with a GUI for general usage, but never anything like this
[20:31] <kylebrown> ScottK: Would you be able to help me set my frist file server up?
[20:34] <ScottK> I'm probably not the best person to ask for that use case.
[20:34] <kylebrown> Well the only thing that I know how to do is log in, lol. I just need something. I'm horrable at this. I mean if you don't mind helping that is.
[20:35] <duiu> kylebrown: If you don't mind spending $40 on a book, there's a very good one called "Begging Ubuntu Server Administration" by Sander van Vugt that I came across last week. It explains EVERYTHING.
[20:35] <duiu> *Beginning
[20:36] <kylebrown> I might have to check that out some time. I don't have much use for a server for real intense things. Just simple access on a rare occasion and for storage at home.
[20:36] <ScottK> kylebrown: Have you looked at the Ubuntu server guide?
[20:36] <kylebrown> I honestly had no idea there was one
[20:36] <kylebrown> i google'd for hours
[20:36] <kylebrown> I havn't slepet for like 24 hours.
[20:36] <lukehasnoname> duiu: I recommend that book as well
[20:37] <lukehasnoname> help.ubuntu.com kylebrown check for the server guide
[20:37] <ScottK> kylebrown: There is also https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/index.html
[20:37] <ScottK> ^^ server guide.
[20:37] <ScottK>  ^^ server guide.
[20:37] <kylebrown> I'm usually mostly on my mac (as I am now), windows sometimes to program, and linux for other general things
[20:38] <duiu> kylebrown: advice, write this down even if you don't understand it. Create users for everyone that will access your server, put the users in a group, make a directory like /srv/fileserver, make the group the group owner, and a member of the group the file owner. And set SUID. Then conifgure samba for that folder (there's guides for that)
[20:38] <kylebrown> Thanks so much for the guide
[20:39] <kylebrown> what if I give out an access name and password and make only one?
[20:39] <duiu> if everyone uses that and doesn't access at the same time, that'll work too.
[20:39] <kylebrown> So multi users are for multi access is all?
[20:40] <duiu> and for keeping track of who does what
[20:40] <duiu> also, if you employ the sticky bit as well as SUID, it's keeps people from deleting each other's files
[20:40] <ScottK> kylebrown: If you only have one username for everyone the first time someone does something they are supposed to you will deeply regret the decision.
[20:41] <kylebrown> Why?
[20:41] <duiu> You won't know who did it, when, and won't be able to fix it.
[20:42] <duiu> kylebrown: I assume this is just for your house?
[20:42] <duiu> so there isn't more than 6 people, I'd guess?
[20:42] <kylebrown> Pretty much. And for distrubuting small games that I make
[20:42] <kylebrown> Not at a time. One or 2 at a time most
[20:43] <duiu> well, for your local users do "useradd (insertusernamehere)" then "passwd (useryoujustmade)" to set a password for them.
[20:44] <duiu> oh and you'll have to use sudo when you do that
[20:44] <lukehasnoname> kylebrown: with " -m" after useradd
[20:44] <duiu> yes, sorry about that, your user probably wants a home directory
[20:45] <lukehasnoname> seriously, get the book duiu recommened, it won't solve every problem, but it sure will help
[20:45] <duiu> yeah, I learned all this last weekend. I'm just waiting for all the parts to arrive to do the same thing you are :)
[20:45] <kylebrown> I have no idea what I am doing in here....................
[20:46] <kylebrown> I will never get this working because I don't know linux
[20:46] <duiu> kylebrown: if all you want is a file server you could use FreeNAS. It's easier, but you can't do as much.
[20:47] <duiu> I think it'll do an FTP server as well.
[20:47] <kylebrown> I'm cool with that as long as I can store and get files
[20:47] <kylebrown> Can I get them strieght from browser to download?
[20:47] <duiu> ?
[20:48] <duiu> www.freenas.org
[20:48] <duiu> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/freenas
[20:48] <kylebrown> I'll brb, sorro
[20:49] <kylebrown> back
[20:49] <kylebrown> I think that is what I want
[20:50] <duiu> The guide's a little tricky, it's not written well, but it explains everything.
[20:50] <kylebrown> Ok. I am on my server and at the logged in command line
[20:51] <kylebrown> I am really bad with guides, because it never works right. I tried videos, and written guides and failed
[20:52] <kylebrown> What's my first step? I assume download, and if so, how
[20:52] <duiu> download FreeNAS? That's a whole nother operating system. Download it and burn it to a cd using a different computer.
[20:52] <kylebrown> oh, lmao
[20:53] <duiu> check out #freenas for help
[20:53] <kylebrown> Like the one I'm on?
[20:53] <duiu> yeah
[20:53] <kylebrown> You guys rocl
[20:53] <duiu> can't help you anymore
[20:53] <kylebrown> alright. I'll try that
[20:54] <mathiaz> kees: how do you feel about bug 243810 ?
[20:56] <kees> mathiaz: I feel like I wish there was time to get the AA code ported to the intrepid kernel.  ;)
[20:57] <kees> mathiaz: in theory, jjohansen has been working on the next cycle up for-mainline patches, so I was waiting on that.
[20:57] <kees> mathiaz: if much more time goes by, I'll do it myself, but I've been busy with other stuff
[20:58] <mathiaz> kees: ok - That's what I thought
[20:58] <mathiaz> kees: user space is up-to-date, but kernel is not ready yet
[20:58] <kees> mathiaz: right.
[20:58] <kees> mathiaz: I just uploaded the userspace bits over the weekend (though I botched and didn't include your changes)
[20:59] <kees> I'm sure there will be more uploads, so it'll get in.
[21:00] <mathiaz> kees: I'll milestone this bug for intrepid-beta ok ?
[21:01] <kees> mathiaz: yeah, that should certainly be done by then.  :)
[21:02] <mathiaz> kees: hm - I'd put beta4 instead, which is just before FF
[21:02] <kees> okay, sounds right. (you mean alpha4?)
[21:02] <mathiaz> kees: yes :D
[21:51] <sommer> ScottK: I've created an updated php5-clamavlib debian package, should I just attach it to debian bug #479885 ?
[21:52] <ScottK> sommer: Did you make it proper NMU?
[21:52] <sommer> ScottK: I think so :)... read through the developers reference sections concerning nmus
[21:53] <sommer> want to have a look at it first?
[21:53] <ScottK> sommer: Can you put a debdiff somewhere and link me?
[21:53] <ScottK> Yes.
[21:53] <sommer> only 4.5k want me to just email it?
[21:53] <ScottK> That's fine.
[21:53] <ScottK> scott .at. kitterman.com
[21:54] <sommer> cool, on the way
[21:54] <ScottK> sommer: Do you have any interest in maintaining the package in Debian?
[21:55] <sommer> ScottK: since upstream is dead, it doesn't seem like the greatest of candidates
[21:56] <ScottK> I don't do PHP, so I have no opinion, but do you think it's useful?
[21:57] <sommer> ScottK: I guess I don't really see the benefit of it... the only real use I can see for it is to scan uploaded files, but you could just as easily call clamdscan, or another utility
[21:58] <ScottK> Right.
[21:58] <ScottK> I guess if you were scanning a lot of files the direct libclamav integration would be faster, but that's a detail.
[21:59] <sommer> I've also noticed the php5-clamavlib performance hit when starting apache, so for me the project seems redundant
[22:01] <sommer> anyway, gotta run bbl
[22:01] <ScottK> OK.
[22:01] <ScottK> See you.


[00:44] <pleia2> Darkwing: yep
[00:44] <pleia2> I'm actually at the hotel now with mhall119 and czajkowski
[00:44] <pleia2> and yeah, it's like a 10 minute bart ride
[00:46] <DonkeyHotei> i don't remember where czajkowski was coming from
[00:46] <pleia2> ireland
[00:47] <DonkeyHotei> since when is czajkowski an irish name?
[00:47] <gua> witness protection :P
[00:48] <DonkeyHotei> in ireland?
[00:48] <gua> there's a new netflix series about a mobster that chooses to be relocated to norway, so based on the accuracy of television, yes
[00:48] <DonkeyHotei> heh
[00:49] <gua> there are so many neat tracks happening at the same time D:
[00:55] <Darkwing> Does anyone have one single extra PC Case key? Like the type that it round? I got two new servers and one key.
[00:55] <Darkwing> Frys doesn't sell them.
[00:56] <Darkwing> You have to buy something that's 30 bucks to get it.
[05:02]  * bkerensa will be crossing the Oregon/California border shortly :D
[05:04] <DonkeyHotei> you'll get here around noon, then
[05:04] <bkerensa> nah I will be there at 8:30am :)
[05:05] <bkerensa> anyways Im about to lose service again as I hit the mountains of Northern California
[05:05] <bkerensa> gnight all and safe travels :D
[05:06] <DonkeyHotei> :)
[07:05] <bkerensa-train> Dunsmuir, CA
[07:06] <DonkeyHotei> aren't you gonna sleep?
[07:07] <bkerensa-train> I slept for two hours in the sun forest
[07:07] <gua> Definitely more than enough!
[07:08] <bkerensa-train> Heh
[07:08] <bkerensa-train> Well there are two babies behind me crying :s
[07:09] <gua> I think the folk cure for that is eye contact with the babies + cry louder than them
[07:09] <bkerensa-train> Heh
[07:09] <gua> I have yet to have an opportunity to test that myself though, ymmv
[07:09] <bkerensa-train> :()
[07:10] <DonkeyHotei> i just now suddenly realized that the last time i saw bkerensa-train, i was still driving the VW
[07:10] <bkerensa-train> :9
[07:10] <DonkeyHotei> the VW has been gone since march 2007
[07:12] <bkerensa-train> Bbl
[09:55] <grantphone> YouTube.com typing in Ubuntu had some decent commercials.
[09:56] <grantphone> I am looking forward to seeing people at uds.ubuntu.com !
[12:56] <bkerensa-train> Good morning
[15:16] <bkerensa2> In Emeryville
[16:42] <bkerensa> pleia2: you dont know what time Phillip is coming in do you?
[16:42] <bkerensa> he is my pair and I was going to see if he wanted to grab lunch
[16:55] <Faqtotum> bkerensa: arrived yet?
[16:55] <Faqtotum> i'm on muni atm, going to sf-lug
[17:05] <bkerensa> Faqtotum: Im at my room.... Im probably going to grab some lunch and cocktails at jack london instead :D
[17:06] <Faqtotum> not coming, then? there's gnu/linux, you know
[17:07] <bkerensa> Faqtotum: Yeah I wont be able to make it =x
[17:07]  * bkerensa is still waiting for Phillip in hopes I can take him to lunch with some others
[17:08] <Faqtotum> oh? where's he now?
[17:14] <pleia2> bkerensa: yeah, I'm not sure
[17:24] <bkerensa> Faqtotum: No idea Ill check Amtrak I think thats how he is arriving
[17:24] <bkerensa> :D
[17:24] <bkerensa> Man its hot in these rooms
[17:25] <Faqtotum> no AC?
[17:26] <bkerensa> Faqtotum: yeah and I have it set to the lowest temp it will go to which is 65 but the rooms seem a good 70 degrees
[17:26] <bkerensa> I think its because the sun is beating down on the windows
[17:36] <pleia2> bkerensa: wandering over to this side of the bay today?
[17:37] <pleia2> it's beautiful out :)
[17:41] <Faqtotum> my android weather app says it's 66 degrees
[17:42] <Faqtotum> i'm on the 38 atm sitting next to sf-lug regular bobbie sellers, at 20th
[17:46] <Faqtotum> off the bus now
[17:46] <pleia2> enjoy
[17:49] <DrStrangelove> on wifi now
[18:09] <Faqtotum> wifi is flaky here
[18:29] <Darkwing> whoo hoo. ready to board.
[18:29] <Faqtotum> amtrak?
[18:30] <Darkwing> nope. I'm flying in from San Diego lol
[18:30] <Darkwing> what's the weather there in Oakland?
[18:31] <pleia2> beautiful :)
[18:31] <pleia2> it's been sunny and in the 70s the past couple days
[18:32] <Darkwing> nice. I don't know what time I'll be at the hotel tonight. hanging with my cousin and his wife for a bit.
[20:16] <Faqtotum> sf-lug over
[20:47] <Faqtotum> philipballew: arrived?
[20:48] <philipballew> yeah! just rolled in
[20:48] <philipballew> in the lobby now
[20:48] <philipballew> took longer when I woke up late and missed my train
[20:48] <philipballew> had to find a person to drive me here
[20:49] <Faqtotum> you missed sf-lug, and bkerensa missed it too, because he waited for you first
[20:50] <Faqtotum> who drove?
[20:50] <Faqtotum> all the way from sd?
[20:52] <philipballew> well it was from auburn. drove to there from sd last night
[20:52] <philipballew> then this mornkng was going to catch a train. woke up to late...
[20:55] <Faqtotum> ok
[20:55] <Faqtotum> greyhound is WAY cheaper than capitol corridor, btw
[20:56] <philipballew> yeah, for some reason the travel guy booked cc
[20:59] <philipballew> bkerensa, I was just at the room
[23:08] <bkerensa2> Hello all
[23:08] <bkerensa2> In sf with laura and mhall
[23:28] <Faqtotum> where in sf?


[07:17] <Unit193> jrgifford: Heyhey!  I was in Columbus today even. :P
[14:13] <jrgifford> Unit193: come again?
[14:19] <Unit193> I visited your area, more or less.
[14:19] <Unit193> OSU Medical Center.
[14:20] <belkinsa> I was there three weeks ago but just to the stadium
[14:22] <skellat> jrgifford Unit193: Community Council ballots should be in your e-mail.  I just took care of mine.
[15:00] <Unit193> Yep, I saw.
[18:51] <jrgifford> skellat: I didn't see anything.
[18:52] <jrgifford> I think I'm still a Ubuntu member,
[18:52] <jrgifford> So I should have gotten something, right?
[18:53] <paultag> I got mine
[18:53] <paultag> and voted ™
[20:17] <skellat> jrgifford: Look for "Poll: 2013 Ubuntu Community Council" on the subject line
[20:18] <skellat> paultag: I looked and the electorate only numbers 764 this time.
[20:18] <jrgifford> oh, it got sucked into my email filter for ubuntu-uploads somehow.
[20:19] <Unit193> I knew I had mine, but not had a chance to look yet.
[20:20] <skellat> I couldn't sleep...saw Elizabeth Krumbach Joseph's tweet about it...couldn't find it in the inbox...went to bed...and it was there this morning before church.
[20:40] <jrgifford> https://gist.github.com/jrgifford/39e2a06b2e073da1e113 | my kindle has a web browser.
[20:40] <jenni> [ The Kindle UserAgent. ] - https://gist.github.com
[20:41] <Unit193> I dual boot my mp3 player. :P
[20:54] <jrgifford> how...?
[20:59] <Unit193> Rockbox.
[20:59] <Unit193> Both firmwares are there, I can boot either one.  (Guess what I found today. :P )
[21:03] <jrgifford> heh,


[00:55] <Lirodon> TheMuso, I'm working on some better mockups for that new boot menu
[01:07] <Lirodon> RAOF, http://i.imgur.com/WCKpc.png
[02:36] <Viper550> Anyone here?
[10:42] <andyrock> cjohnston, ping
[11:53] <om26er> DBO, Hi! awake yet? there is a regression between unity bzr1569 and 1575 where dragging an icon from the launcher would show it like this http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=173382 I was not able to reproduce this bug with my intel GPU system. commit 1575 sounds to have caused this ;-)
[11:57] <om26er> thank me later :p
[12:07] <om26er_> DBO, oh, i didn't mention, I reproduced it with NVDIA with binary driver installed
[12:23] <apinheiro> DBO, one question about the switcher
[12:24] <apinheiro> although it mostly works with the icons at the AbstractLauncherIcon
[12:24] <apinheiro> in the end, the switchermodel contains instances of LauncherIcon, right?
[12:47] <om26er> can anyone confirm bug 855520 ?
[12:49] <apinheiro> DBO, well, taking a look to the code, it seems that LauncherIcon are reused
[12:50] <apinheiro> so the switchermodel are just filled with the running apps icons from the launcher
[12:50] <apinheiro> DBO, could you confirm that?
[15:22] <htorque> tedg: hi! you escaped right on time yesterday. ;-)
 tedg, hi, you probably had no time (and motivation ;)) to look at bug 835646 again? do you think that's release critical as it also affects unity 2d users, which likely use systems with lower resources, thus hitting swapping or worse earlier?
[15:27] <tedg> htorque, Honestly, I don't have an idea of where to go on that bug...  so, unless someone has some ideas of what's causing it, I don't know what can be done.
[15:30] <cjohnston> andyrock: pong
[15:30] <andyrock> cjohnston, hi
[15:30] <cjohnston> o/
[15:31] <andyrock> i got the "uds crew" email
[15:31] <cjohnston> ok
[15:32] <andyrock> cjohnston,  i'm so happy... but there is a problem
[15:32] <cjohnston> ?
[15:32] <andyrock> i think we (Andrea Grandi and me) can arrive at orlando before 21:00
[15:32] <cjohnston> On Sunday? The meeting will be Monday morning.
[15:33] <cjohnston> I've updated the wiki page.
[15:33] <cjohnston> I will send more emails as we get closer.
[15:33] <andyrock> cjohnston, so no problem thx
[15:33] <andyrock> :)
[15:33] <cjohnston> I haven't decided if I want to drive down there Sunday night
[15:33] <cjohnston> :-)
[15:33] <andyrock> see you then
[15:33] <cjohnston> Sounds good
[15:34] <htorque> tedg: i see, but do you think this bug is bad enough to "raise its visibility"?
[15:36] <tedg> htorque, I guess I don't really see the point...  if we knew of a fix or a path to one, I'd push for it getting into distro, but I don't feel we're at that point it.
[15:38] <htorque> tedg: alrigth, just wanted to be sure that this bug hasn't been forgotten. :-)
[17:25] <andyrock> om26er, around?
[17:25] <om26er> andyrock, hey i am here
[17:25] <om26er> missing me :p
[17:26] <andyrock> om26er, yeah :)
[17:26] <andyrock> do you have the last unity and last nux?
[17:26] <om26er> andyrock, nux 1.10.0-0ubuntu1
[17:26] <om26er> unity 4.16.0
[17:27] <om26er> andyrock, want me to test something?
[17:27] <andyrock> mmm... i don't know if it's the "very last" unity
[17:27] <andyrock> btw can you try to dragging a launcher icon
[17:28] <andyrock> to change its position
[17:28] <htorque> andyrock: i think that's a known bug
[17:28] <andyrock> htorque, which bug?
[17:28] <om26er> andyrock, yes i can change the position here
[17:28] <htorque> if you mean that squashed icon
[17:29] <andyrock> yes...
[17:29] <andyrock> squashed icon
[17:29] <htorque> i think i've seen a bug somewhere
[17:29] <andyrock> but i'm not sure it's a known bug
[17:29] <om26er> andyrock, i pinged DBO about that
[17:29] <om26er> andyrock, http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=173382
[17:30] <DBO> what?
[17:30] <andyrock> om26er, yes i mean that bug
[17:30] <htorque> andyrock: ah, i read that discussion - no bug report.
[17:30] <andyrock> htorque, np
[17:30] <om26er> DBO, om26er> DBO, Hi! awake yet? there is a regression between unity bzr1569 and 1575 where dragging an icon from the launcher would show it like this http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=173382 I was not able to reproduce this bug with my intel GPU system. commit 1575 sounds to have caused this ;-)
[17:31] <om26er> andyrock, you have nvidia?
[17:31] <andyrock> om26er, no... intel
[17:32] <andyrock> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (primary) (rev 03)
[17:32] <om26er> andyrock, interestingly i cant reproduce the bug with my intel netbook
[17:32] <andyrock> om26er, ^^^
[17:32] <FloatingGoat_> im using unity 2D in 11.04 (vs 11.04 unity 3d) and im actually fairly content with it
[17:32] <htorque> getting it with intel here as well
[17:32] <FloatingGoat_> my power justw ent out too
[17:35] <om26er> andyrock, lets play the "you report, I confirm game" :-D
[17:35] <andyrock> om26er, just a moment... :)
[17:35] <FloatingGoat_> so unity 11.04? or 11.10? which do you prefer?
[17:40] <andyrock> om26er, https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/855761
[17:41] <andyrock> apport-collect doesn't work anymore...
[17:41] <andyrock> OMG! :/
[17:42] <DBO> om26er, interesting, will look at it
[17:42]  * om26er thanks and assigns DBO ;)
[17:42] <om26er> andyrock, confirmed :)
[17:42] <andyrock> DBO it's a recent regression...
[17:43] <DBO> yep
[17:46] <om26er> andyrock, between bzr1569 and 1575 :)
[17:46] <andyrock> yeo
[17:46] <andyrock> *yep
[17:50] <DBO> om26er, andyrock, fixed
[17:51] <andyrock> DBO thx.. :)
[17:51] <om26er> DBO, cool dude :D
[17:51] <cjohnston> andyrock: what's your name
[17:51] <cjohnston> please
[17:51] <andyrock> cjohnston, Andrea Azzarone
[17:52] <cjohnston> so you are Thursday correct?
[17:52] <DBO> got get down on Friday
[17:52] <andyrock> cjohnston, yes
[17:52] <cjohnston> andyrock: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/2011-11-03/
[17:53] <andyrock> ok
[17:55] <Viper550> Hello
[17:59] <htorque> hm, can you build unity without tests?
[18:01] <Viper550> I have been gathering critique on a redesign of the boot menu. Given that Windows 8 is going to try and make its boot menus as less, *ahem* text mode as possible, I think that we could go down the same road too
[18:07] <Viper550> and I was told such a design would be easy to implement in GRUB 2?
[18:23] <htorque> andyrock: are you using trunk? can you try to reproduce this: open the dash and type something in the dash search field - i get no visual feedback, but the search seems to work fine.
[18:24] <andyrock> i'm just building the last one
[18:24] <andyrock> right now it works good for me
[18:41] <om26er> DBO, if i am not mistaken the fix for bug 676166 was a one liner, would it be safe if I backport it for Natty would it work?
[18:42] <DBO> om26er, it wont actually apply to natty
[19:14] <htorque> DBO: bug 855831 is caused by your latest nux commit.
[19:17] <htorque> DBO: if you didn't catch it:
 DBO: bug 855831 is caused by your latest nux commit.
[19:22] <DBO> htorque, oops
[19:24] <DBO> thanks htorque
[19:24] <DBO> trying to see why that happened
[20:24] <FloatingGoat> if i could use compiz for window switching in unity 2d, i'd use it full time.
[20:25] <FloatingGoat> actually now that i look into it further
[20:27] <FloatingGoat> its not as bad as i though
[20:27] <FloatingGoat> theres actually a reason for it being all chopped up
[21:13] <nprezident> anybody
[21:13] <nprezident> ?
[21:46] <Lirodon> Hello?
[22:10] <Lirodon> zyga, hey
[22:10] <zyga> Lirodon, hi
[23:05] <Lirodon> zyga, I'm trying to still, get some opinion on a redesigned boot menu


[22:24] <lickalott> I have a GeForce 9600M (nvidia) discrete graphics chip.  i just loaded the nvidia drivers and my ONLY resolution option was 800x600.  i installed nvidia-current and nvidia-settings then ran nvidia-xconfig.  now I can only choose from 1280x720 and 800x600.  Neither of which I want.  What do i need to do to get more resolution options?  btw: I've added "ModeValidation" "AllowNinEdidModes" to the xorg.conf.
[22:24] <lickalott> *"AllowNonEdidModes"
[22:26] <ubuntunewserver> the wifi displays as connected but the browser will not load
[22:26] <ActionParsnip> lickalott: did you install bumblebee?
[22:27] <lickalott> never heard of it
[22:27] <ActionParsnip> ubuntunewserver: can you ping <IP_ADDRESS>?
[22:27] <Merandus> I'm going to add ubuntu 14.4 repos to my installation. is there any good back up solutions for the system? so i could recover if things break
[22:27] <rww> !info duplicity
[22:27] <rww> reinstall plus that ^
[22:27] <ActionParsnip> !backup | Merandus
[22:27] <aftermath> hey guys, can i connect to irc.freenode.net from here? :)
[22:27] <lickalott> !info bumblebee
[22:28] <rww> aftermath: you're currently on freenode
[22:28] <aftermath> rww: oh,thanks, :]
[22:28] <ActionParsnip> aftermath: this channel is on freenode
[22:28] <MasterOfDisaster> ubuntunewserver: sharing the output of 'ip a sh' and 'ip r' might help
[22:28] <MasterOfDisaster> ubuntunewserver: via paste.ubuntu.com of course :D
[22:29] <Merandus> ActionParsnip: thanks.
[22:29] <ubuntunewserver> ActionParsnip: it keeps displaying 64kytes from <IP_ADDRESS>: icmp_req=xx time = xx.x ms
[22:29] <aftermath> ActionParsnip: how can i connect to other # ?
[22:30] <spearhead> aftermath /join #channel_name
[22:30] <ActionParsnip> ubuntunewserver: try: echo "nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>" | sudo tee /etc/resolv.conf > /dev/null ,then retry the web
[22:31] <ActionParsnip> aftermath: type: /join #channelname
[22:31] <ActionParsnip> ubuntunewserver: does it connect now?
[22:31] <ubuntunewserver> ip r output: defaults via <IP_ADDRESS> dev wlan0 proto static /n <IP_ADDRESS>/16 dev wlan0 scope link metric 1000 /n <IP_ADDRESS>/24 wlan proto kernel scope link src <IP_ADDRESS> metric 2
[22:32] <Aossi> ok so i need some help
[22:32] <ActionParsnip> Aossi: details please
[22:32] <spearhead> Aossi, what can we help you with?
[22:32] <Aossi> i want to put ubuntu on my laptop my friends use ubuntu saddly none of them can help me with this
[22:32] <Aossi> ive been all over the ubuntu site
[22:33] <Aossi> i got the ubuntu iso i need and im trying to put it on my usb drive to be a boot disk but power iso doesnt like it
[22:33] <ActionParsnip> Aosi: download the ISO and burn it as slowly as possible, or use unetbootin to put it on a USB stick etc. Then boot to the device
[22:33] <Aossi> i tried doing arch linux but all i got was this graphics issue
[22:33] <ActionParsnip> Aossi: you dont need poweriso
[22:34] <spearhead> Aossi, http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows
[22:34] <ubuntunewserver> ActionParsnip: thanks that worked
[22:34] <Aossi> http://imgur.com/FEf2X9X
[22:34] <MasterOfDisaster> Aossi: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick - follow these instructions
[22:34] <BoxsDown> Aossi:  the simple easy answer: http://linuxliveusb.com/
[22:34] <Aossi> i have pendrive
[22:34] <ActionParsnip> ubuntunewserver: thatbwont stick but get fully updated then reboot. The update may fix the issue
[22:35] <Aossi> woah guys whoa hold on man lol i can only keep up with so much
[22:35] <ActionParsnip> Aossi: arch isnt supported here
[22:35] <Aossi> my only fear is that im going to get the same graphic issue that i got with arch
[22:35] <Aossi> i know
[22:35] <Aossi> i was told arch was like ubuntu and well they were wrong
[22:35] <ActionParsnip> Aossi: download iso and md5 test it then use unetbootin to put the iso on the usb stick
[22:35] <Aossi> ubuntu is what im used to working on when i use my buddys laptops.
[22:35] <Aossi> k
[22:36] <ActionParsnip> Aossi: yes arch is very different
[22:36] <Aossi> whats the link for unetbootin
[22:36] <BoxsDown> is wifi support on 14.04 better or worse or same as 13.10?  none of my wifi cards work on ubuntu 13.10 but they work fine on 12.10. my internet is metered and expensive. i dont want to download 14.04 if it wont work with my wifi
[22:36] <ActionParsnip> Aossi: find it online. Its not hard to find
[22:36] <Aossi> k
[22:36] <BoxsDown> Aossi: http://linuxliveusb.com/
[22:36] <MasterOfDisaster> Aossi: practice your google-fu :-P
[22:37] <Aossi> lol MasterOfDisaster
[22:37] <ActionParsnip> Boxsdown: depends on the chip
[22:37] <BoxsDown> is the list of supported devices accurite and up to date? i notice most documentation i have read is wildly out of date and missing info
[22:38] <ActionParsnip> Boxsdown: all i can say is try it.....
[22:38] <spearhead> !14.04 Boxsdown
[22:38] <spearhead> !14.04 | Boxsdown
[22:39] <Pinkamena_D> Hello, I have had this issue for at least the last month but never got around to fixing it: the default wifi network that is always connected to is 'attwifi' even though this is usually not in range and there is no profile for it.
[22:39] <Pinkamena_D> is this setting hidden somewhere so I can delete it
[22:40] <Aossi> what ubuntu version should i do?
[22:40] <Pinkamena_D> I use 13 for laptop and 12.04 for servers
[22:41] <Aossi> is 13.04 live x64 good and easy to do?
[22:41] <Aossi> im using an hp laptop
[22:41] <ActionParsnip> Aossi: 13.04 is not supported anymore
[22:41] <Aossi> what is?
[22:41] <Pinkamena_D> by live do you mean running only from usb/disk?
[22:41] <BoxsDown> spearhead: why am i reading this?
[22:41] <Aossi> yes only from my usb drive
[22:41] <ActionParsnip> Aossi: i suggest 12.04 it is LTS and supported til April 2017
[22:41] <Pinkamena_D> yes, 12.04 is good for that
[22:41] <BoxsDown> 12.04 doesnt snap  >_<
[22:42] <BoxsDown> no snap = drop in productivity
[22:42] <Aossi> 12.04 live x64 right?
[22:42] <spearhead> BoxsDown, because 14.04 is not supported here, if you have qustions about 14.04 please use the #ubuntu+1 channel
[22:42] <ActionParsnip> BoxsDown: its supported longest of the released versions
[22:42] <ubuntunewserver> ActionParsnip: updating did not solve the problem, back to square one. I can connect to the wifi but I do not get the internet
[22:42] <Pinkamena_D> actionParsnip, is your account more then one user or you just never sleep?
[22:42] <ActionParsnip> Aossi: they are all live...
[22:42] <Aossi> my only thing is i dont want to end up getting this graphic error again http://imgur.com/FEf2X9X
[22:42] <aft3rmath> well,, i done 13.10 and have some problems
[22:42] <ActionParsnip> ubuntunewserver: let me get a command
[22:42] <BoxsDown> sleep is taken in naps
[22:43] <spartacus_72> Sera
[22:43] <ActionParsnip> Pinkamena_D: im uk. Its nearly 11pm here, early doors
[22:43] <MasterOfDisaster> ubuntunewserver: you sure it's not your router that's to blame?
[22:43] <ubuntunewserver> MasterOfDisaster: On the router on my laptop right now
[22:43] <BoxsDown> i already know 13.10 doesnt work on my hardware. why am i reading about 13.10? spearhead
[22:44] <gmachine_24> greetings earthlings. how can I use the '
[22:44] <gmachine_24> sorry, the 'dd' command to clone a partition?
[22:44] <MasterOfDisaster> ubuntunewserver: ok then. just cheking :)
[22:44] <ActionParsnip> ubuntunewserver: echo "nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>" | sudo tee -a /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head
[22:44] <ki7rw> can anyone tell me why i can stream the superbowl on windows firefox and NOT in firefox running on ubuntu?
[22:44] <MasterOfDisaster> gmachine_24: dd if=/dev/source of=/dev/target
[22:44] <gmachine_24> ki7rw silverlight?
[22:44] <BoxsDown> might be using Silverlight
[22:45] <ActionParsnip> ubuntunewserver: it will now stick between boots
[22:45] <MasterOfDisaster> ki7rw: most likely plugin issue. perhaps missing flash or silverlight or whatever.
[22:45] <ki7rw> gmachine_24: that's what i was wondering
[22:45] <gmachine_24> ki7rw, did you try chromium?
[22:45] <spearhead> BoxsDown, I don't know why you are reading about 13.10, you were asking about 14.04 so I was telling you that 14.04 is supported on the #ubuntu+1 channel
[22:45] <BoxsDown> k
[22:45] <gmachine_24> supposedly fox is streaming live for anyone on the internet
[22:45] <ki7rw> gmachine_24: nope - i'll give that a try
[22:45] <gmachine_24> you don't need to prove you're a cable head
[22:46] <gmachine_24> maybe even flash
[22:46] <BoxsDown> gmachine_24:  likely they are using microsoft silverlight. in ubuntu this is provided by Mono but doesnt fully support silverlight
[22:46] <gmachine_24> well, as I said, supposedly it's free and live if you have a "device"
[22:46] <Aossi> ok so i got it going creating the boot image on my usb drive
[22:47] <gmachine_24> MasterOfDisaster: and, thank you for your answer about cloning. the /dev/source I will want to use the actual parititon, right? as in /dev/sdc1 to /dev/sdd1 ... correct?
[22:47] <votz> How can I delete 8 GB of .fuse_hidden[...] files from the .Trash-1000 folder of an NTFS partition? gksudo nautilus -> shift+delete makes them disappear but refresh with f5 they're still there.
[22:48] <MasterOfDisaster> gmachine_24: correct. so something like dd if=/dev/sda1 of=/dev/sdb1
[22:48] <Aossi> im using unetbootin
[22:48] <lickalott> ActionParsnip, is this the best route to take? http://askubuntu.com/questions/134594/how-to-install-bumblebee-ui-gui-in-ubuntu-12-04
[22:48] <gmachine_24> MasterOfDisaster: ok, thanks. just wanted to be sure. for some reason I haven't had much luck with this so far.
[22:48] <MasterOfDisaster> gmachine_24: partitions are the same size?
[22:49] <gmachine_24> MasterOfDisaster: well, not yeat
[22:49] <gmachine_24> *yet
[22:49] <gmachine_24> MasterOfDisaster: do they need to be?
[22:49] <gmachine_24> I thought perhaps it would kill the partition on the 2nd drive ie overwrite it
[22:50] <MasterOfDisaster> gmachine_24: target should be equal or greater
[22:50] <gmachine_24> MasterOfDisaster: ok. I can do that.
[22:51] <MasterOfDisaster> gmachine_24: did you get any error message? you said you 'haven't got any luck'? What happened?
[22:52] <oisin1001> Hello! Thinking about creating a bootable USB drive with Ubuntu on it. Is it possible to have a live Ubuntu version and my personal files on my USB at the same time>
[22:52] <oisin1001> *?
[22:53] <daftykins> oisin1001: sure, you can create partitions
[22:54] <oisin1001> daftykins: Would a partition work an a USB flash drive? Never tried that before
[22:54] <MasterOfDisaster> oisin1001: sure.
[22:54] <daftykins> absolutely ^
[22:54] <MasterOfDisaster> oisin1001: it's a disk like any other.
[22:54] <daftykins> oisin1001: what OS are you in right now?
[22:55] <oisin1001> daftykins: Windows 8.1
[22:55] <daftykins> oisin1001: running disk management would let you partition it then, are you going to use Universal USB Installer from pendrivelinux.com ?
[22:56] <ubuntunewserver> ActionParsnip: It now sticks between boots, which is to say when I restart it I can use firefox via wifi. However, if I unplug the ethernet cable and restart it, the wifi connection has disappeared (this is not new, it was going this before). At startup it spends a minute looking for a network configuration/connection
[22:56] <ubuntunewserver> ActionParsnip: and then finally starts up when it cannot find anyhting
[22:57] <gmachine_24> MasterOfDisaster: I repartitioned the target drive and now (I hope) the partition is being cloned; I had trouble coming up with the correct "dd" command for some reason - part of the problem was the drive was dying. whenever I set out to make a 3rd back up for offsite invariably the original drive starts to die. it's just weird.
[22:58] <MasterOfDisaster> gmachine_24: oh oh. if you have a dying drive, have a look at dd_rescue. Might get headaches else if the drive is flaky and errors out on accessing some sectors.
[22:59] <gmachine_24> I've decided from now on to replace the main drive every year, regardless.
[22:59] <gmachine_24> MasterOfDisaster: It's OK. I copied the information off the drive before it died. Now it's absolutely dead, though.
[22:59] <MasterOfDisaster> gmachine_24: RAID mirror and backup should be enough.
[23:00] <gmachine_24> MasterOfDisaster: yes, well, whatever should be enough always seems to be one less back up then what I end up needing
[23:00] <gmachine_24> *than, even
[23:00] <MasterOfDisaster> gmachine_24: story of our lives in IT :-(
[23:01] <gmachine_24> MasterOfDisaster: I tried to rescue the drive but that was when it finally died for good.
[23:01] <gmachine_24> if I needed I was going to try ... what.. testdisk and photorec....... but that's a forever task
[23:02] <Pugg> Its always a good idea to put your data on a slave, and replace that loosing no data, and using the replaced slave as an external.. ?
[23:02] <gmachine_24> I even used spinrite - which got stuck with 25 hours remaining, and the drive was making those gut-wrenching whir and click sounds...
[23:02] <ubuntunewserver> How do I connect to a wifi router at boot on a ubuntu server?
[23:03] <lickalott> ActionParsnip, disregard.  Found a better way.  (add a repo then update and install)
[23:03] <lickalott> thanks for the hint
[23:03] <gmachine_24> ubuntunewserver: as in you want to connect it wirelessly to via cable and do you have a wireless card or (heaven help me) usb "dongle"?
[23:03] <Pugg> Spinrite is awsome
[23:04] <gmachine_24> Pugg, I don't know. I think it's just free os programs packaged to sell
[23:04] <ki7rw> gmachine_24: looks like chrome plays it
[23:04] <gmachine_24> ki7rw, huh. so, maybe it's flash.
[23:06] <gmachine_24> ki7rw, On one of my android devices I could not get Amazon Prijme videos to play because Amazon is not gonna let someone make an app, right? so I used the Dolfin browser, d/l the flash version for ios and then... voile,,,, I could watch Amazon Prime on my Android
[23:07] <ubuntunewserver> gmachine_24: I have a wireless card. I would like it to connect at startup to the router. It hangs at boot for a minute if it is not directly plugged in via an ethernet cable. After that it takes another minute or two for it to recognize that there is wifi and then the internet works. I want it to work on boot. I have installed the desktop on the server instance to help facilitate setup, but eventually I want to turn it
[23:07] <ubuntunewserver> off and have the wifi connect automatically at boot
[23:12] <gmachine_24> ubuntunewserver: I am having pretty much the same problem. Except my trouble is getting the right driver for the usb plug in wireless gizmo that I have. maybe there is a simple gui utility that can help you set up the wireless as default. I'm not an expert but if I figure out how to do it I will post back.
[23:13] <ubuntunewserver> gmachine_24: Thanks.  I guess NetworkManager works out as well.
[23:24] <lickalott> ActionParsnip, are you still around?
[23:24] <lickalott> I can't get bumblebee to work
[23:24] <lickalott> I can get the app portion to run but the indicator refuses to launch
[23:47] <ki7rw> gmachine_24: not as good as watching on a regular tv
[23:53] <prayer> hello
[23:53] <prayer> anyone on?
[23:54] <prayer> anyone here or is this just bots?
[23:55] <vanishing> !anyone
[23:57] <prayer> hello???
[23:58] <zykotick9> prayer: if you have a question, you should ask it...
[23:59] <prayer> does anyone know how to get nvidia working on backbox? i intend to use pyrit instead of aircrack because of the speed increase, but i can't find a working solution anywhere, any help is greatly appreciated!