[09:18] <erUSUL> private msg 10:18 <innocent> ./s irc.neoxys.org port 6667 and channel #nepal
[15:01] <Mitticoooo> I am newbie strange problem: can't add files (eg. text files) in a root directory but I gave it all the permission,
[15:01] <Mitticoooo> why?
[15:02] <jussi01> Mitticoooo: this isnt a support channel, perhaps you want #ubuntu?
[15:02] <Mitticoooo> ah ok
[15:03] <Mitticoooo> the frequently answer in this support chat is: "go elsewhere"
[15:03] <Mitticoooo> insted to say "I don't know"
[17:45] <Nafallo> can someone state in that topic that this isn't a support channel maybe? :-)
[17:45] <nhandler> Nafallo: It says "Support in #ubuntu etc." is that not enough?
[17:46] <Nafallo> apparently not, no.
[17:46] <m4v> I get the feeling that they don't read topics
[17:46] <Nafallo> and I must say that wording isn't as clear as it could be.
[17:46] <m4v> well, maybe "This is not a support channel, support in #ubuntu"?
[17:47] <nhandler> m4v: I get the same feeling. But it also doesn't help that we only see people who don't follow the /topic. We have no way of knowing how many people go to #ubuntu instead of here to ask their question after reading the /topic
[17:47] <m4v> nhandler: yes you're right
[17:48] <Nafallo> This channel is not for support. Try #ubuntu instead.
[17:48] <m4v> This is not a support channel, /join #ubuntu
[17:48] <Nafallo> something like that.
[17:48] <Nafallo> or that indeed.
[17:53] <nhandler> How does that look?
[17:54] <Nafallo> better.
[18:51] <elky> nobody reads topics anyway
[18:53] <Alvinware> !ubuntu
[19:14] <m4v> aw, not again, "locototo" is pm spaming in #ubuntu-es again
[19:20] <m4v> I'm never sure if the best is call for staff help here or in #freenode.
[19:27] <m4v> now is spamming in the channel, timing it so uBOTu-fr won't ban it


[18:58] <Zeqadious> does "start on stopped job ok" still work?
[18:58] <Zeqadious> I ask because it doesn't seem to here
[18:58] <sadmac2> Zeqadious: version?
[18:58] <Zeqadious> 0.5.1
[18:59] <sadmac2> Zeqadious: start on stopped job RESULT=ok
[18:59] <Zeqadious> sweet
[18:59] <Zeqadious> whats the other RESULT?
[18:59] <Zeqadious> RESULT=failed?
[18:59] <Keybuk> surprisingly
[18:59] <sadmac2> Zeqadious: although I'd think that would still work... maybe its changed a bit. There's a way
[19:00] <sadmac2> other result was failed I think
[19:00] <Zeqadious> ok
[19:00] <Keybuk> you can also just shortcut RESULT=failed and just check EXIT_STATUS=* or something
[19:00] <Zeqadious> I removed all the ok's
[19:00] <Zeqadious> i'll put them back now
[19:00] <Keybuk> start on stopped job EXIT_SIGNAL=11 etc.
[19:00]  * sadmac2 tries to imagine the task you want to run on segfault and nowhere else
[19:01] <Keybuk> start on stopped EXIT_SIGNAL=11
[19:01] <Keybuk> exec apport-auto-file $JOB
[19:02] <sadmac2> Keybuk: wouldn't you want SIGABRT in there too?
[19:03] <sadmac2> also SIGILL, SIGFPE, possibly SIGPIPE
[19:35] <Zeqadious> hmmm "start on started udev-daemon RESULT=ok" should work right?
[19:36] <sadmac2> it should
[19:36] <sadmac2> unless it became OK or something like that.
[19:36]  * sadmac2 doesn't have the code in front of him to check on these things
[19:36] <Zeqadious> i'll try that..
[19:37] <Zeqadious> fsck comes after that, but its not starting for some reason
[19:37] <sadmac2> Zeqadious: you could do a start on started udev-daemon and then in the job definition do an export > /tmp/somefile and then look at somefile and see what its getting set to
[19:38] <Zeqadious> export what though?
[19:39] <Zeqadious> export RESULT > /tmp/$job.result ?
[19:39] <Zeqadious> oops
[19:39] <Zeqadious> $RESULT
[19:40] <sadmac2> Zeqadious: I meant set
[19:41] <sadmac2> Zeqadious: no arguments
[19:41]  * sadmac2 begins to realize how many ways unix has to list all the environment variables
[19:41] <Zeqadious> env
[19:41] <sadmac2> set does it too
[19:41] <Zeqadious> really?
[19:41] <sadmac2> export I think does a superset of it
[19:42] <sadmac2> yes
[19:42] <Zeqadious> never tried that
[19:42] <Zeqadious> so it does
[19:43] <Zeqadious> i'll check the result now
[19:44] <Zeqadious> lol, forgot that before fsck the fs is ro
[19:45] <sadmac2> hmm. just echo it then. stdout should display it
[19:45] <Zeqadious> yep
[19:47] <Zeqadious> well it has no result really
[19:47] <sadmac2> the environment should be small
[19:47] <Zeqadious> at least there is no variable called RESULT
[19:47] <Zeqadious> it is
[19:47] <Zeqadious> UPSTART_EVENTS=started
[19:47] <Zeqadious> closest thing i can find
[19:47] <sadmac2> odd
[20:06] <Zeqadious> is this the correct way to use the expressions with the start on stanza http://zeqadious.homelinux.net/junkbin/upstart-0.5.1-jobs/sysinit/save-dmesg ?
[20:09] <sadmac2> Zeqadious: maybe... what do you think that will do?'
[20:09] <Zeqadious> I think it should start when all conditions inside ( ) are met
[20:10] <Zeqadious> but i may not need the ( )
[20:10] <sadmac2> Zeqadious: they aren't conditions. They're events. It will start when all the things inside () /happen/
[20:10] <sadmac2> and you need either the \s or the ()s, not both
[20:10] <Zeqadious> oh?
[20:10] <sadmac2> oh.
[20:11] <Zeqadious> it won't tell me that there are unknown stanzas when it sees  and started sysinit/cleanup RESULT=ok on a line all by itself?
[20:12] <sadmac2> Zeqadious: it assumes the line continues until the closing parenthesis
[20:12] <Zeqadious> thats great
[20:12] <Zeqadious> looks a lot nicer
[20:38] <Zeqadious> well that doesn't seem to work right. that job never starts and afaik those other jobs are all RESULT=ok
[20:42] <sadmac2> Zeqadious: are all of them started in the first place?
[20:42] <Zeqadious> yes
[20:42] <sadmac2> ok. that's the usual reason these things break...
[20:45] <Zeqadious> hardest part i'm finding with these upstart scripts is trying to make them robust enough to deal possible breaks
[20:45] <sadmac2> example?
[20:47] <Zeqadious> i'm having issues with fsck script for example.  its silently hangs quite often and I can't seem to track why or when.  or like when some script may fail but won't report a failure and so my save-dmesg script never runs but i can't see why :)
[20:48] <sadmac2> first one sounds like an fsck issue
[20:49] <Zeqadious> probably
[21:01] <Zeqadious> aha
[21:48] <Zeqadious> status job should return something right?
[21:51] <sadmac> I think so
[21:51] <sadmac> yes. the manpage confirms
[21:51] <sadmac> initctl status job
[21:51] <sadmac> (there's no symlink for status, I don't think)
[21:52] <Zeqadious> initctl status job returns nothing too
[21:52] <Zeqadious> it should shouldn't it?
[21:52] <sadmac> on 0.5 it might only if the job is running
[21:53] <Zeqadious> returns nothing if the job is running
[21:53] <Zeqadious> returns nothing if the job isn't running too
[21:53] <sadmac> weeeeird
[21:54] <sadmac> what does it return with no argument?
[21:54] <Zeqadious> I think the problem this indicates is what is making it so difficult for me to write the scripts.  RESULT=ok for any respawning service doesn't work
[21:54] <Zeqadious> initctl status returns all jobs with either running or not running
[21:54] <sadmac> ok, so that works
[21:55] <sadmac> ah, so the respawn flag kills the RESULT variable
[21:55] <sadmac> bug.
[21:55] <Zeqadious> aha
[21:55] <Zeqadious> also my scripts are all in directories inside jobs.d like jobs.d/service/hald so the job is service/hald
[21:56] <Zeqadious> but because of the mangle bug status service/hald returns nothing
[21:56] <Zeqadious> just found that status service_2fhald works though
[21:56] <sadmac> yeah. that's not a new one.
[21:56] <Zeqadious> yeah i saw that one in the bug list
[21:57] <Zeqadious> this is just the first instance where i had to type the mangled form in to get it to work
[22:02] <keesj> respawn is broken in many ways in 0.5
[22:08] <Zeqadious> well i filed a bug
[22:09] <Zeqadious> 5pm works out.  thanks for the help all, i'm going home.


[08:25] <ubuntu_persona> hi everyone
[10:40] <ashickur-noor> http://www.ultrasong.com/musicvideoblog/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/asa.jpg
[10:41] <ashickur-noor> see this pic
[10:41] <ashickur-noor> how to solve it?
[10:43] <geirha> Hm. Wubi is a bit beyond my knowledge, but what does that logfile say?
[10:44] <ashickur-noor> I don't have thosw
[10:44] <ashickur-noor> I get it from our local forum
[10:48] <geirha> Well, the logfile will hopefully show some useful information about the problem, so ask the poster to post that log file
[11:00] <ashickur-noor> OK
[11:02] <ashickur-noor> I have posted
[11:03] <ashickur-noor> When Give reply I will inform
[11:21] <ashickur-noor> Need to go
[11:21] <ashickur-noor> bye
[14:19] <sw0rdfish> sudo add-apt-repository https://edge.launchpad.net/~transmissionbt/+archive/ppa/
[14:19] <sw0rdfish> isn't that the right way to add a repo?
[14:28] <raju> sw0rdfish:  you can add it by using update manager
[14:31] <raju> sw0rdfish:  use this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu#Adding_Other_Repositories
[14:35] <sw0rdfish> thanks raju :)
[14:39] <raju> sw0rdfish:  welcome :)
[16:27] <geirha> For the record, it's sudo add-apt-repository ppa:transmissionbt/ppa


[12:20] <daker> morning ツ
[13:53] <mhall119> morning
[14:27] <cjohnston> mornin
[14:30] <cjohnston> czajkowski: daker mhall119 nigelb, the issues with cranberry (the server we use) will (hopefully) be resolved when new hardware arrives.
[14:38] <mhall119> is all of cranberry going to the new server?
[14:38] <cjohnston> i believe its just beefing up cranberry
[15:01] <daker> ok
[22:05] <cjohnston> blah
[22:41] <daker> blah blah
[22:42] <daker> the contributor agreement sucks :/
[22:42] <mhall119> daker: how so?
[22:44] <daker> each time you write a code for a project owned by canonical, you will be faced to someone saying :"pls sign the contributor agreement"
[22:45] <daker> How to submit it by email:
[22:45] <daker> Fill in your name and contact information on the agreement document and sign it.
[22:46] <daker> Scan the document and send it in an email to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and to the project lead for the project in question (usually, that's the person who asked you to send in the form)
[22:46] <daker> this is really ridiculous
[22:57] <daker> mhall119, nigelb cjohnston https://blog.mozilla.com/webdev/2011/07/26/scaling-django-to-a-global-audience-with-playdoh/
[23:06] <mhall119> daker: not all projects
[23:06] <daker> what do you mean ?
[23:06] <mhall119> and that's been around for a while, though they've changed the license recently to not require copyright assignment
[23:07] <mhall119> daker: not all canonical projects require the CA
[23:08] <mhall119> there's a list of the ones that do
[23:08] <mhall119> they're mostly desktop technologies
[23:08] <daker> the ensemble guys told me that i need to that to get my MP merged
[23:08] <daker> -to
[23:12] <daker> this made me very angry è_é
[23:56] <cjohnston> LP requires one


[17:02] <AndrewMC> #startmeeting Ubuntu Youth
[17:02] <MootBot> Meeting started at 11:02. The chair is AndrewMC.
[17:02] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[17:02] <AndrewMC> HI all welcome to the Ubuntu Youth team meeting can everyone who is here please say: here
[17:02] <AndrewMC> here
[17:02] <hakimsheriff> here
[17:02] <BasicXP> here
[17:02] <JasonO> Here
[17:02] <Gulfstream> here
[17:03] <MichealH> here
[17:03] <Daniel0108> hi
[17:04] <AndrewMC> okay
[17:04] <robotman> here
[17:05] <AndrewMC> #topic New team leader
[17:05] <AndrewMC> [topic] New team leader
[17:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  New team leader
[17:05] <AndrewMC> So, as most of you know zkrieese was our leader for a long time, and due to real life issues he has put me in charge
[17:05] <AndrewMC> I am honered to be here and hope to help this team go far
[17:06] <AndrewMC> [Topic] Merdging with the Beginners Team
[17:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  Merdging with the Beginners Team
[17:07] <AndrewMC> Okay, so the council has talked and we have decided to bring this forward to the whole team, we are thinking that it may be wise for Ubuntu Youth to merdge with the beginners team
[17:08] <AndrewMC> (This is where all of you chime in with your opinions hehe)
[17:08] <hakimsheriff> Why would we do that?
[17:09] <AndrewMC> hakimsheriff: Well the beginners team and Ubuntu Youth seem to share nearly identical if not identical goals, i think a merdger would benifit both teams
[17:09] <hakimsheriff> oh okay
[17:10] <JasonO> O agree, we should merge with UBT because it will help new comers get involved with projects and find something they love to do. Instead of doing nothing or taking their own path(s).
[17:10] <hakimsheriff> yes that could work
[17:10]  * BasicXP nods
[17:10] <Gulfstream> but is there any harm that could result in the merge?
[17:11] <UndiFineD> AndrewMC, did you talk to the UBT council about this ?
[17:11] <AndrewMC> UndiFineD: yes I have
[17:11] <MichealH> I was away :P
[17:11] <UndiFineD> ok, cool, what was their view ?
[17:12] <AndrewMC> UndiFineD: well they said that they would either have someone from the (BT) council come and help us or we could actually merdge with them
[17:12] <AndrewMC> What I plan on doing is, seeing is if this is REALLY something that this team wants then the (UY) council will finalize with the the Beginners Team council
[17:13] <Gulfstream> I don't think it is a good idea
[17:13] <AndrewMC> Gulfstream: no, please voice your opinion, that is what this meeting is about :)
[17:13] <UndiFineD> well I think that would work alright, the only ones I have not met yet are Gulfstream, BasicXP , robotman I think
[17:14]  * UndiFineD waves
[17:14] <robotman> hello
[17:14] <AndrewMC> UndiFineD: and the problem with UY is, why does someone need to join a seperate team when the beginners team is already there and has a full mentor (or whatever its called) system in place.
[17:15] <Gulfstream> but Ubuntu youth is designed for youth
[17:15] <UndiFineD> how many youthful people do you have currently ?
[17:15] <hakimsheriff> Me
[17:16] <AndrewMC> UndiFineD: everyone in #ubuntu-youth with +v are team members
[17:16] <robotman> Well i think it would be benificial becuase as a new person there area  ton  of similar communuties which means that you have to be in a ton of seperate teams to get noticed
[17:16] <robotman> even though they do similar things
[17:17] <hakimsheriff> Maybe it could be the Youth Focus Group in the Ubuntu Beginners team?
[17:17] <AndrewMC> Gulfstream: Well, (again this is all still in planning) what I am thinking is, that we would still have our own IRC channel and such but it would be a place for the youth of the beginners team to hang out and work together on projects
[17:17] <UndiFineD> alright guys I was just being curious, continue with your meeting
[17:18] <AndrewMC> UndiFineD: oh no, we value input
[17:18] <AndrewMC> Gulfstream: so yes basicaly a youth focus group
[17:20]  * JasonO Has been up for 20 hours, needs some sleep. Good bye.
[17:20]  * JasonO robotman also expressed his opinion
[17:20] <AndrewMC> So, are we all set to vote on this or does anyone else want to bring something up?
[17:21] <MichealH> AndrewMC, I'm good :)
[17:21] <Gulfstream> so what would be the real gains of merging to UBT? Or is it just as good as having the teams the way they are now?
[17:22] <AndrewMC> Gulfstream: Well i think it will really improve membership.
[17:23] <BasicXP> I understood team goals differently. Ubuntu Youth is for engaging youth in different projects, while Ubuntu Beginners is "to enhance the initial experience of new Ubuntu users"
[17:23] <Gulfstream> that's how I understood the teams when I looked at the pages.
[17:23] <BasicXP> You said the goals of both teams are similar. I just don't get the similarity
[17:24] <AndrewMC> BasicXP: Well UY is pretty much the same thing, and the beginers team (as least for me) was my starting point, UY was designed to be a beginners team for youth which is why it makes sense to merdge with the beginners team.
[17:25] <robotman> The main thing i see that was differant when i was looking into joining teams was that UBT has bug and DEv section
[17:26] <AndrewMC> The way I see UY (after the merdger) would be a place for the youth of the beginners team to come together and chat and work together on projects.
[17:26] <BasicXP> AndrewMC: then ubuntu-youth becomes sort of youth focus group, as Gulfstream already said
[17:26] <BasicXP> that might work
[17:26] <AndrewMC> BasicXP: Yes, i beleive that is what the BT council would do
[17:26] <BasicXP> btw, merge :)
[17:27] <AndrewMC> #vote Should we activly persue a merdger with the Beginners Team?
[17:27] <AndrewMC> grr
[17:27] <Gulfstream> so then what would be changed?
[17:28] <AndrewMC> Gulfstream: We wouldnt be seperate team, we wouldnt need to have our own membership process
[17:28] <Gulfstream> AndrewMC: so all existing UBT members would be UY members or vice versa?
[17:30] <AndrewMC> Gulfstream: That I dont know yet, I have just gotten the ok from the BT council to bring this up, the specifics of the merger have yeto to be determined, what we didnt want to happen was we get everything all set to go and find out that this was not something that the team wanted.
[17:30] <AndrewMC> I assume (note ASSUME) we would fall under the Focus group rules
[17:31] <BasicXP> BUT the current team goals include more then just beginner education
[17:31] <AndrewMC> If we vote this up then the UY council will work out the specifics of the deal and then hold another meeting before anything is written in stone
[17:32] <Gulfstream> I think there would actually be a need for a separate UY membership service, so there isn't any inappropriate spamming
[17:33] <AndrewMC> [vote] Should we activly persue a merger with the Beginners Team?
[17:33] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Should we activly persue a merger with the Beginners Team?.
[17:33] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[17:33] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[17:33] <AndrewMC> +1
[17:33] <MootBot> +1 received from AndrewMC. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[17:33] <MichealH> +1
[17:33] <MootBot> +1 received from MichealH. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[17:33] <robotman> +1
[17:33] <MootBot> +1 received from robotman. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[17:33] <Gulfstream> -1
[17:33] <MootBot> -1 received from Gulfstream. 3 for, 1 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[17:34] <MichealH> AndrewMC, Cos I am a Grammer Nazi Its *merge* :)
[17:34] <AndrewMC> Remember that this is ONLY deciding if we should move forward this this, after we get a full plan laid out from the BT council we will hold another meeting before anything is set in stone
[17:35] <AndrewMC> any last votes
[17:35] <popey> MichealH: its merger. and it's grammar, and it's 'because'. :0
[17:35] <AndrewMC> [endvote]
[17:35] <MootBot> Final result is 3 for, 1 against. 0 abstained. Total: 2
[17:36] <AndrewMC> Okay, so this WILL be brought forward to the BT council, and we will hold another meeting once we get a full plan laid out
[17:36] <AndrewMC> [topic] Any final concerns, quesitons, or ideas?
[17:36] <MichealH> popey, Oh, I thought he ment merge *hides*
[17:36] <MootBot> New Topic:  Any final concerns, quesitons, or ideas?
[17:38] <AndrewMC> okay, I would like to thank all of you who attended today, have a great day/afternoon/evening and keep hacking :)
[17:38] <BasicXP> i'm sorry, had to reboot, my computer gone crazy
[17:38] <BasicXP> AndrewMC: what was the decision on the merging?
 Okay, so this WILL be brought forward to the BT council, and we will hold another meeting once we get a full plan laid out
[17:39] <AndrewMC> Gulfstream: beat me to it :)
[17:39] <BasicXP> thanks
[17:39] <hakimsheriff> sorry everyone, i had to leave, but i am back now
[17:39] <AndrewMC> okay so any further discussion will be held in #ubuntu-youth again thanks for attending
[17:39] <AndrewMC> #endmeeting
[17:39] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 11:39.
[18:22] <Mkaysi> here