[00:01] <lvmer> well the minidlna service won't run & the error received is:  getifaddr.c:73: error: ioctl(s, SIOCGIFADDR, ...): Cannot assign requested address
[00:02] <lvmer> And to be honest, I set this server up a year ago with samba/minidlna & it's been awesome. But as they say, "quick to learn, quick to forget." & now I'm a noob again :'(
[00:05] <TheLordOfTime> someone on /r/Ubuntu asked if I can point them at people who can help create a custom Juju charm that works with a custom nginx+pagespeed build.  Where should I direct them to?
[00:07] <hitsujiTMO> TheLordOfTime: #juju maybe
[00:08] <lvmer> well I had 4 network interfaces and bond0 appears to be the only minidlna compatible one atm. xD   w\e
[00:08] <lvmer> Samsung tv's & dlna is the worst isn't it. Everything else is so flawless
[00:08] <lvmer> what's the command to see if a process is running?  ps aux | grep mini?
[00:09] <lvmer> love you guys. Thanks :)
[00:13] <sarnold> lvmer: pidof or pgrep are also nice, depending upon what you're trying to do
[00:14] <sarnold> lvmer: dlna is a PITA -- clients do stupid filtering based on returned filenames, and it's hard to see why they didn't just do http with "good" generated indexes..
[00:17] <lvmer> @sarnold sarnold! hey! you're alive!  The filtering is so random sometimes.  "Zomg my dlna isn't working.... service minidlna restart....   it works now.... wtf was wrong? lol"  Happens like 1x every 2 weeks lol
[00:20] <sarnold> lvmer: oh yeah, I knew your nickname was familiar :) hehe
[00:25] <TheLordOfTime> hitsujiTMO: thanks
[08:38] <RAKODIL> Hi
[09:28] <RAKODIL> Here is unstopable fun, as I see
[09:28] <sarnold> :)
[11:12] <RAKODIL> Who speaks russian?
[11:12] <RAKODIL> or ukrainian?
[11:13] <cfhowlett> !ru|RAKODIL,
[15:52] <rbasak> jcastro: sorry, a manpage is on my todo.
[21:32] <moparisthebest> i'm migrating my mdadm raid1 array to sit on top of cryptsetup LUKS devices instead of a straight hard drive
[21:33] <moparisthebest> and while the boot process asks for a password, it doesn't wait for the password, and goes ahead and continues booting without the crypt devices
[21:33] <moparisthebest> any idea on how I can get it to wait?
[23:22] <cereal> anyone know why my ubuntu server (12.04) stops during boot at "Stopping System V runlevel compatibility"?  I can change terminals and login that way, or via serial port (agetty) but the default term is just stuck.
[23:23] <patdk-lap> never seen that
[23:27] <cereal> hmmm, i'm not seeing anything in syslog and such
[23:27] <cereal> not overly too certain what to look for heh
[23:28] <cereal> going to change it to not use agetty, who knows, maybe that's part of my problem
[23:52] <cereal> hmmm, so I'm guess it's something that is setup with my console redirecting
[23:53] <cereal> I followed this guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialConsoleHowto and that works, everything on the console side works, except that the default terminal doesn't actually launch a prompt to login


[12:11] <danilos> gmb, hi, for bug 720826 I need to add some text for the matching filters in the email body as well (for the benefit of gmail users); do you have a minute to discuss this?
[12:11] <_mup_> Bug #720826: Add subscription description header for bug notifications <qa-ok> <story-better-bug-notification> <Launchpad itself:In Progress by danilo> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/720826 >
[12:16] <gmb> danilos: I'm just grabbing some lunch; I'll be happy to talk when I've grazed, though.
[12:17] <danilos> gmb, sure, thanks
[13:01] <gary_poster> hi y'all.  I'm having to flex time it a bit this morning because Karyn has a doctor's appt.  I'll be in and out until about an hour from now.  I do intend to be around for the call.
[13:02] <benji> k
[13:29] <gary_poster> bac benji danilos gmb mumble/kanban in 1-ish
[13:30] <gary_poster> gmb and danilos, yoo hoo
[13:39] <bac> whee!
[13:40] <gmb> danilos: You still there?
[13:40] <danilos> gmb, https://code.launchpad.net/bugs/720826
[13:40] <_mup_> Bug #720826: Add subscription description header for bug notifications <qa-ok> <story-better-bug-notification> <Launchpad itself:In Progress by danilo> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/720826 >
[13:42] <danilos> gmb, https://code.launchpad.net/~danilo/launchpad/bug-720826-emails/+merge/51747
[14:06] <gmb> bac: My dsl has dropped out. I'll ping you when I'm back online.
[14:06] <bac> gmb: ok
[14:13] <gmb> bac: I'm back in the land of the online. Firing up mumble now.
[14:13] <bac> ok
[15:08]  * gmb -> afk for a little bit to run some errands
[15:31] <danilos> gmb, yep
[15:32] <danilos> uhm, wrong channel, wrong person
[15:32] <gmb> FAIL.
[15:54] <gmb> bac: This might be a rabbit hole we don't need to descend into, but do you have any idea why the height increases by 17px with every close/open cycle?
[15:54] <gary_poster> It's a feature.
[15:55] <bac> gmb: no idea
[15:56] <bac> even on my little example it increases by a few pixels each time, which i attribute to a border, perhaps
[15:56] <gmb> Hmm, possibly.
[15:56] <gmb> I guess we needn't worry until we've sorted the other stuff out.
[15:57] <gary_poster> though probably worth highlighting as an issue if we have the attention of a/the dev
[15:58] <gmb> Fair point.
[16:19] <bac> gmb: would you have a look at  bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~bac/%2Bjunk/accordion_test and see if you think it demonstrates the problem minimally and clearly?
[16:20] <gmb> bac: Sure
[16:27] <gmb> bac: I think that demonstrates our problem, but it might help if the second item in the accordion had a note telling you how many lines should be displayed. It's hard to tell at first glance where it's going wrong.
[16:27] <gmb> (Whereas in our LP code it's far more obvious first-up).
[16:28] <bac> gmb: have you noticed how the accordion behaves nicely with the overlay when initially loaded?
[16:28] <gmb> Yes.
[16:29] <bac> it is only after the forced resize that it gets dumb
[16:29] <gmb> (That's kind of what I mean)
[16:29] <bac> yeah, ok
[16:29] <gmb> There's a danger that someone might lazily say "what? That works fine"
[16:29] <gmb> Without actually looking.
[16:30] <gary_poster> Have we tried setting display on and off, and cropping an enclosing div, and random stuff like that?  I expect so, but I can't stop from asking
[16:30] <gary_poster> Or maybe it is not even pertinent/appropriate
[16:31] <bac> display on/off works nicely
[16:31] <bac> but it is not animatable
[16:31] <bac> and, yes, we're performing the resizing on an enclosing div
[16:31] <bac> but i've tried removing the wrapper and operating on the accordion itself
[16:32] <gary_poster> cool
[16:32] <bac> well it'd be cooler if it worked!  :)
[16:32] <gary_poster> yeah
[16:33] <gary_poster> I wonder if the display on/off thing points to some acceptable hack.  Won't worry about it till later; justa passing thought.
[16:50]  * bac lunches
[17:01]  * benji lunches.
[17:17]  * danilos -> off, enjoy the rest of the day all
[19:52] <benji> so... what is the state of the art in JS testing?
[20:20] <gary_poster> I suspect that's a question for Deryck.  Maybe bac has a pointer.  I think LP does currently have some answers.
[20:21] <bac> benji, gary_poster: i just looked for a wiki page that i thought was helpful but  cannot find it
[20:21] <bac> curtis' page is an brief intro:
[20:21] <bac> https://dev.launchpad.net/JavascriptUnitTesting
[20:21] <gary_poster> That looks good to me, thanks bac
[20:21] <bac> i *thought* i'd edited that page in the past to show how to run those tests from the command line
[20:22] <benji> thanks guys; I'll see what Deryck says.  I guess this means that none of y'all have started your testing yet either. :)
[20:22] <gary_poster> I'm not writing JS right now :-)
[20:25] <gary_poster> benji, I'm going to have my call with Francis soon so I'm trying to tidy up the kanban board.  You have three cards active on the board right now.  Are all of them in fact in progress, or are some of them mistaken, possibly because of crazy card shenanigans I've pulled in the past?
[20:25] <benji> gary_poster: looking
[20:26] <benji> gary_poster: I moved "implement accordion panes" back to tasks an unassigned myself; if you'll remember, I did a little work on it but we decided the optimum would be for me to work on other things
[20:26] <gary_poster> right, cool, thanks benji
[20:27] <benji> the "wire up" card isn't done and I'm not actively working on it, but I expect I will when the accordion panes are done; perhaps marking it blocked is the right thing to do there
[20:27] <benji> gary_poster: ^
[20:28] <gary_poster> (AIUI) blocked means you can't work on it because of things outside of you--you couldn't start it regardless of your own availability.  So, on the face of it it doesn't sound blocked to me, benji.
[20:29] <benji> gary_poster: well, I can't finish wiring up the form until the accordion panes are done, and I'm not doing them, is that not blocked?
[20:29] <gary_poster> ah, yes, it is, benji :-)
[20:30] <benji> :)
[20:30] <gary_poster> thank you
[21:30] <bac> benji, gary_poster: i found the command-line invocation
[21:30] <bac> xvfb-run ./bin/test --layer=RegistryWindmillLayer -cvvt test_yuitests
[21:31] <bac> runs all lp.registry YUI tests -- not windmill
[21:31] <benji> cool
[21:31] <bac> i'll add this to the wiki now
[21:31] <gary_poster> ah-ha, bac!  that looks golden.  How do we run Bugs only--BugsWindmillLayer?
[21:31] <bac> note there is no way to specify a single test -- you can only get granularity of a subsystem
[21:31] <bac> gary_poster: i believe you've cracked the pattern!
[21:31] <gary_poster> ;-)
[21:32] <bac> thank god i've got my history file set to 'forever'
[21:32] <bac> in bash, i mean
[21:32] <gary_poster> :-)
[22:08] <bac> https://dev.launchpad.net/JavascriptUnitTesting -- now even better
[22:23] <gary_poster> sehr awesome, bac


[19:58] <lakotamm> Hello everyone, I have an issue with screen tearing while playing full-screen YouTube videos in Firefox 81. Does anyone have a minute to look at it?


[05:33] <chesedo-> inetpro: will do
[05:34] <chesedo-> and morning all
[07:06] <andrewlsd> Morning chesedo and all.
[07:16] <inetpro> goeiemore
[07:25] <pavlushka> ahoy ZA!
[07:50] <nlsthzn> Goeie môre Suid Afrika
[07:50] <nlsthzn> took me a while to figure out the compose key thingy again >.<
[07:58] <inetpro> nlsthzn: what's with the compose key?
[07:59] <inetpro> just set keyboard to South Africa and start using the compose key, ek sê
[08:00] <nlsthzn> well, I have a US keyboard for starts :p and I never use compose key... so when the need arises I have to first enable and then remember how to use it (always forget to shift to get the characters above numbers :p)
[09:39] <inetpro> nlsthzn: I also have a US generic 101-key keyboard, who doesn't in this country? Despite that you simply set it to the South African (ZA) layout and voila, Bob's your uncle
[09:40] <nlsthzn> what does the ZA layout change?
[09:40] <inetpro> no Shift needed... just press Alt-Gr and r for ê
[09:41] <inetpro> or Alt-Gr and e for ë
[09:45] <inetpro> they used to have a nice layout at www.translate.org.za but I can't seem to find it now
[09:45] <inetpro> found this: http://www.translate.org.za/2006/10/09/keyboard-caters-for-all-11-sa-languages/
[09:59] <nlsthzn> well the one time I make an ê it is fine :p
[09:59] <nlsthzn> one time a year i mean
[09:59] <nlsthzn> and it makes sense the way it works once I remember how :p
[10:06] <inetpro> Alt-Gr + Shift + 0 for °
[10:15] <nlsthzn> :)
[10:16] <nlsthzn> )
[12:27] <chesedo> inetpro: i just do Alt-Gr + 6 and then e for ê.... and Alt-Gr + ; and any vowel for the double dots on a vowel...
[12:28] <chesedo> same goes when used with ' or ` for things like è
[12:28] <chesedo> or é
[13:39] <jerit> nobody seems to like my artwork that I made because bored http://i.imgur.com/jnvfCdr.png
[14:16] <nlsthzn> jerit, perhaps cause nobody cares ;)
[14:47] <inetpro> chesedo: oh that works nicely as well and is easy to remember, thanks!
[14:48] <chesedo> inetpro: yw
[15:41] <superfly> meh. missed the meeting last night
[19:21] <inetpro> superfly: why?
[19:21] <superfly> why what?
[20:07] <inetpro> superfly: why did you miss the meeting?
[20:07]  * inetpro at least had a good excuse
[20:07] <inetpro> :-)
[20:07] <superfly> inetpro: I don't know, maybe moving across the world or something?
[20:08] <inetpro> ok, you are forgiven
[21:29] <kulelu88> howzit okes?


[00:44] <wgrant> Oh dear.
[00:45] <wgrant> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~wgrant/launchpad/export-archive-dependencies
[00:45] <wgrant> I broke something.
[00:45] <wgrant> I think I did start a push and then quickly Ctrl+C, but still...
[00:46] <wgrant> (a subsequent push succeeded, but it's still broken)
[01:39] <mthaddon> wgrant: push --overwrite doesn't fix it?
[01:42] <wgrant> mthaddon: I doubt it, but I might try. The hosted copy of the branch is fine; the mirrored one is broken.
[01:42] <wgrant> --overwrite shouldn't do anything useful here.
[01:42] <mthaddon> you probably know way more about it all than I do, so I'll just leave you to it :)
[01:43] <wgrant> I'm not sure how to force it to do a full remirror except by a format change, and that's not possible with 2a.


[05:15]  * bluesabre releases Catfish 1.0.3 https://launchpad.net/catfish-search/1.0/1.0.3
[05:22]  * bluesabre will upload ubuntu packages for catfish, menulibre, and mugshot tomorrow (later today)
[08:21] <ochosi> congrats bluesabre, quite the releases going on there
[08:21] <bluesabre> indeed, vincent_c just uploaded each to debian
[08:21] <bluesabre> so I'll sync tomorrow
[08:22] <bluesabre> *today
[08:22] <ochosi> oh wow, you're around
[08:22] <ochosi> early morning to you
[08:22] <bluesabre> still up
[08:22] <ochosi> :D
[08:22] <bluesabre> still working :)
[08:22] <ochosi> we should reply to andrew btw, i like his plan in general, but the idea with setting up the displays systemwide through xfsettingsd won't work
[08:23] <ochosi> (and even if it did, that'd only be a solution for xfce)
[08:24] <ochosi> i guess we either need 1. a daemon that handles all that jazz (like gnome-settings-daemon basically) and that starts early enough or 2. integrate some display handling directly into the greeter and make it produce a good default
[08:24] <bluesabre> 2. would make more sense
[08:26] <ochosi> yup
[08:26] <ochosi> that'd also mean getting rid of all the options for customizing though
[08:26] <ochosi> although not necessarily
[08:27] <ochosi> but i guess adding a default setup and then making that configurable...
[08:27] <ochosi> phu, sounds like *work*
[08:30] <elfy> sounds like 15.10 ...
[08:30] <elfy> :p
[08:30] <elfy> morning ochosi bluesabre :)
[08:30] <ochosi> morning elfy
[08:31] <elfy> ochosi: any word from pleia2 about the next meeting, I mostly only check overnight for pings
[08:32]  * elfy has hopes that pleia2 will set meeting for a more useful time for me
[08:32] <knome> haven't heard much
[08:33] <elfy> knome: ok ta :)
[08:34] <ochosi> same here
[08:34] <ochosi> she's aware of having to set a meeting time (or at least was)
[08:34] <knome> heh
[08:35] <elfy> ok
[08:35] <ochosi> pleia2: could you please set the next meeting asap?
[08:35] <ochosi> pleia2: thanks! :)
[08:35] <elfy> that said - taking stuff to m/l works too :)
[11:55] <bluesabre> yay, daily iso works in vbox again
[12:09] <bluesabre> dang, the installer is sloooooow currently
[12:21] <bluesabre> pleia2: I'll try to make it
[12:21] <bluesabre> :)
[16:36] <almostevery> hello, could you please let me know the name of ubuntu dev channel on irc?
[17:39] <ochosi> pleia2: hm, sorry, have a family feast that day/time, will have to be excused for the meeting
[17:41] <ochosi> bluesabre: i agree that the 128px tooltip on the desktop is ridiculously large, especially in combination with 32px icons
[18:24] <quantibility> hi there
[18:25] <ochosi> hi
[18:26] <quantibility> so
[18:26] <quantibility> i have bug
[18:26] <quantibility> that i can describe
[18:26] <quantibility> to a tee
[18:26] <quantibility> but i think someone may have answer that question
[18:33] <brainwash> ochosi: but aren't the tooltips meant to offer a quick preview? so bigger -> better?
[18:43] <ochosi> yeah, hmpf, not really sure about the use of the previews :)
[18:55] <brainwash> ochosi: https://code.launchpad.net/~thad-fisch/xubuntu-default-settings/tooltip-size
[18:55] <brainwash> but now we have bigger desktop icons once again (48px)
[18:57] <brainwash> oh, mmmh, utopic...
[19:02] <ochosi> brainwash: this is not about merge requests, we need to do a comparison of the size combinations (like bluesabre started here: https://i.imgur.com/tsLjypk.png) and then find good reasons to go one or the other way
[19:03] <brainwash> yes
[19:03] <brainwash> so that's why I requested it be lowered to 96px :)
[19:04] <brainwash> bluesabre's pic visualizes it perfectly (bottom left)!
[19:08] <ochosi> bbl prolly
[23:45] <Guest67794> Hey does anyone know how to re-compile the kernel ? I need to compile it as non-pae, but it keeps ignoring the .config files and re-writing them


[12:09] <nixternal> Riddell: sorry to bother you, but this should be the last time...is there a location for the specifics on the "Laptop Buttons Support" ? mailing list? wiki page?
[12:11] <Riddell> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-laptop-buttons
[12:11] <Riddell> nixternal: you should say that it's currently in the stage of "works for us" but feedback from more laptops is welcome
[12:12] <nixternal> sweet...will get that posted as well
[12:22] <Riddell> abattoir: oem-config seems to be working, up until the Finish at least
[12:41] <goldenear> Riddell: Is there any webpage about edgy acpi management and changes from dapper ?
[12:42] <goldenear> will edgy support suspend2 ?
[12:43] <goldenear> This is the only thing that works on my new asus notebook (thanks to the patched ubuntu kernel)
[12:53] <Riddell> goldenear: I'm not sure, sebas might know more about that
[12:53] <Riddell> benc would make the decision I guess
[12:54] <goldenear> ok, I'll ask sebas tomorrow :)
[12:54] <goldenear> thanks
[12:54] <Riddell> abattoir: I get erros when running the gtk frontend http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19898
[12:54] <Riddell> and similar with the kde frontend
[12:55] <yuriy> KDM theme customised or already enabled, not touching kdmrc ...   <== am i missing out on something?
[12:55] <Riddell> abattoir: you have the #self.dbfilter = timezone.Timezone(self) and user lines commented out, presumably you have a reason for that
[12:56] <Riddell> yuriy: no, it's already got the kubuntu theme set (unless you've edited it yourself)
[12:56] <Riddell> abattoir: you're missing the self.current_page = None bit in the run() while loop, that's what allows the programme to exit
[12:57] <yuriy> also, i'm still not sure what's wrong with my wineconfig.desktop that it doesn't show up in the new system settings
[12:57] <Riddell> otherwise it'll keep running the mainloop
[12:58] <Riddell> yuriy: what Categories does it have?
[12:59] <yuriy> Categories=Qt;KDE;X-KDE-settings-system;
[01:04] <Riddell> the old system settings had
[01:04] <Riddell>                 <Include>
[01:04] <Riddell>                         <Category>X-KDE-settings-system</Category>
[01:04] <Riddell> but the new one doesn't, which is what sime was saying about needing a general put everything category
[01:05] <Riddell> although I'm not sure what's wrong with having them in Advanced->system administration
[01:05] <Riddell> Sime: you need to put class="showonplanet" to have the images appear on planet
[01:06] <yuriy> Riddell: unless the kubuntu guidance package has one that's modified from SVN, Sime's userconfig has the same categories
[01:06] <yuriy> and it shows up
[01:07] <Riddell> yuriy: it gets listed explicitly in /etc/xdg/menus/system-settings.menu  <Filename>kde-mountconfig.desktop</Filename>
[01:08] <Riddell> yuriy: so for a quick fix just edit that file and add your .desktop file, but to fix properly we should add back the Category line in my opinion
[01:09] <yuriy> Riddell: anyways, I was thinking it would be more appropriate under "advanced user settings" (or elsewhere? opinions?)
[01:09] <yuriy> what would be the category for that?
[01:13] <Riddell> yuriy: that's the one I'm looking at, advanced -> system
[01:13] <Riddell> when does summer of code end?
[01:13] <yuriy> 21st
[01:29] <omeow> whew
[01:29] <omeow> It's been quite the productive day for konversation. :)
[01:30] <Riddell> omeow: how's that?
[01:34] <omeow> I filed quite a few bugs and helped test lots of things fixed and added.
[01:36] <Riddell> anything cool coming in 0.19?
[01:38] <omeow> a tree view mode
[01:38] <omeow> http://konversation.kde.org/wiki/Plans_for_0.20 basically
[01:40] <Riddell> so a channel list down the side?
[01:40] <omeow> Yes.
[01:41] <omeow> I won't be using it though. I like the horizontal tab bar better.
[01:57] <nixternal> Riddell: here is the first draft of the Knot 2 Release statement for Kubuntu ->  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyEft/Knot2/Kubuntu
[01:58] <nixternal> i still need to add information, but the layout and images are there
[02:01] <Riddell> nixternal: groovy
[02:02] <nixternal> hehe, how about rocking?
[02:02] <Riddell> very
[02:02] <nixternal> stuck in the 70's
[02:02] <Riddell> those "Wallpaper & Color Scheme" need resized to be smaller
[02:02] <nixternal> ya
[02:02] <nixternal> i kind of thought the same
[02:02] <Riddell> and a link to somewhere to gie feedback
[02:03] <Riddell> nixternal: system settings, point to Sime's blog, also say that there's a couple of layout issues currently and we'll fix it to be link sime's blog's image
[02:03] <nixternal> ok, i will create a feedback page, or is there already a feedback page?
[02:05] <Riddell> nixternal: maybe make https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Artwork/Incoming/Kubuntu-Edgy-Ideas-Feedback
[02:05] <Riddell> with a link to https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Artwork/Incoming/Kubuntu-Edgy-Ideas
[02:05] <Riddell> "Easy Zeroconf Tickbox" the widgets needs highlighting somehow, circle around it or something
[02:06] <nixternal> you are talking under the "General" tab where it says 'Enable Zeroconf network browsing'?
[02:06] <Riddell> yes
[02:06] <nixternal> gotcha
[02:06] <Riddell> "shareprinter.png
[02:07] <Riddell> hmm, no
[02:07] <Riddell> "image displays the pop up window" needs something about how it's perfectly safe to ignore the warning if you trust your local network
[02:07] <nixternal> ok, i didn't get a warning...but i will add that as well
[02:08] <Riddell> final image points to edgy translation, but rosetta doesn't have edgy translations yet, change it to the equivalent dapper page
[02:08] <nixternal> no problem..and i will leave a note letting people know that once the translations for edgy are complete, then the page will link correctly
[02:10] <Riddell> s/complete/imported into rosetta/
[02:10] <Riddell> ba, kdebase failed to compile
[02:10] <nixternal> cool
[02:10] <nixternal> and not cool about kdebase ;(
[02:11] <nixternal> you have a link to Sime's blog?
[02:15] <nixternal> got it ;)
[02:16] <nixternal> Systemsettings usability work for Kubuntu's Eft
[02:21] <leonardovaz> Riddell: i don't if it is in kubuntu's todo list, but why don't we have knemo by default?
[02:22] <Riddell> leonardovaz: because knemo requires setup
[02:22] <leonardovaz> hmmm...
[02:22] <Riddell> and it's not integrated with other tools
[02:22] <Riddell> ideal solution is knetworkmanager
[02:22] <leonardovaz> i understand. and it would bring tons of things
[02:22] <Riddell> except that has issues
[02:22] <leonardovaz> do you knetstats?
[02:23] <Riddell> I don't know of it
[02:23] <leonardovaz> wait
[02:23] <Riddell> knetload?
[02:23] <leonardovaz> http://knetstats.sourceforge.net/
[02:23] <Riddell> that is very cool but it's a geek only thing
[02:24] <leonardovaz> i know...
[02:24] <leonardovaz> last week I distributed some kubuuntu CDs to my coleagues at work
[02:24] <Riddell> knetstats looks interesting, make a package and we'll take a look :)
[02:25] <leonardovaz> and one of them who uses XP asked me "how can I know if I have internet connection?"
[02:26] <Riddell> it's a fair question
[02:26] <Riddell> knetworkconf often gets that wrong too
[02:31] <nixternal> Riddell: i went ahead and did everything you requested so far, except change the images..i will get to them in a bit..i have to give a lecture on Konversation for the Classroom, so I will be busy for the next hour or so
[02:31] <nixternal> i will do the resizing, as well as point to the dapper translation page
[02:32] <Riddell> great stuff nixternal
[02:33] <nixternal> cool, glad you like it
[03:18] <abattoir> Riddell: around?
[03:20] <abattoir> Riddell: ok, anyways, i guess its too late for you...(if you havent already slept)
[04:15] <nixternal> Riddell: if you are still awake   ->   https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+translations
[04:15] <nixternal> that is the image you want for the translations page?
[04:18] <nixternal> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+sources/kdebase/+translate
[04:18] <nixternal> actually that is the page there...im going to keep the current image, however I am going to link to that page so they can see what it will look like when completed!
[04:46] <nixternal> umm...is the sharing of printers new to Edgy only, or new to KDE 3.5.4?
[04:46] <nixternal> actually...it can't be new to Edgy, as I have it in Dapper
[05:08] <Tm_T> good morning
[05:08] <Hobbsee> hi all :)
[05:08] <Hobbsee> hi Tm_T
[05:08] <Tm_T> Hobbsee :)
[05:13] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: what should i put on the agenda?
[05:17] <Tm_T> personal agenda? or what?
[05:20] <Hobbsee> !release
[05:20] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[05:20] <Hobbsee> !schedule
[05:20] <ubotu> Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Edgy schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[05:20] <nixternal> Hobbsee: soon, i am working on the release notes now ;)
[05:20] <Hobbsee> nixternal: nice :)
[05:20] <Tm_T> uuh
[05:21] <Hobbsee> nixternal: do we know more details than that?  presumably this week...
[05:21] <Tm_T> I wonder if edgy is more usable when install it instead of upgrading
[05:21] <nixternal> thats about it per Riddell
[05:21] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: quite likely.  i have all sorts of rubbish on here.
[05:21] <Hobbsee> nixternal: right
[05:21] <Tm_T> :p
[05:22] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyEft/Knot2/Kubuntu
[05:22] <nixternal> that is what I am currently working on
[05:24] <nixternal> the "Easy Printer Sharing Menu Item" as I currently have it, isn't new..actually it is in Dapper right now
[05:24] <nixternal> there has to be something other than that to make it "Easy Printer Sharing"
[05:24] <Hobbsee> nice
[05:25] <Hobbsee> well, yeah.
[05:25] <Hobbsee> it's less of a pain, anyway
[05:25] <nixternal> the current information though isn't Edgy specific..as I can do exactly the same with Dapper...so if there is a new easier way to printer share in Edgy, what is it?
[05:26] <Hobbsee> nixternal: actually, i think you'll find that the port message is slightly different
[05:27] <nixternal> that i did notice, however what makes it new and easier?
[05:27] <Tm_T> ugh, I'll install new system to my sisters laptop
[05:27] <Hobbsee> i dont think it does.  well, i havent noticed, but dont tend to look
[05:27] <nixternal> there is still a few days before release, so i can poke Riddell tomorrow when he awakes
[05:27] <nixternal> hehe me either
[05:28] <Hobbsee> bah.  sleep's overrated :P
[05:28] <Tm_T> I afraid I have to put windowmaker or equiv instead of KDE ;(
[05:28] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: oh ewww.  why?
[05:28] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: well, 128M ram and damn slow HD
[05:29] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: hmmm...yeah, okay.
[05:29] <Tm_T> that means, when swap got hit, trrr--trrrrr---trrr-trrr, *bling* xterm is open finally ;)
[05:29] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:29] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: run it as a server install?
[05:30] <Tm_T> well, I prolly install minimum system and then apt-get what is needed
[05:30] <nixternal> crimsun: what are you attacking on Knot2 right now?
[05:30] <Tm_T> trying to keep services etc as minimum as possible
[05:30] <crimsun> take a guess.
[05:30] <nixternal> printing i hope ;)
[05:30] <Tm_T> =)
[05:30] <nixternal> im guessing proofing though
[05:31] <Hobbsee> :'( no more chocolate
[05:31] <Hobbsee> crimsun: sound stuff?
[05:31] <nixternal> omg Hobbsee i am sick of choco right now
[05:31] <Tm_T> now shower while I'm backupping personal files from lappy ->
[05:31] <nixternal> heh, forgot about sound stuff as well ;)
[05:44] <crimsun> Knot2/Kubuntu proofed.
[05:45] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: don't talk about chocolate =)
[05:45] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: but...but...i want chocolate :(
[05:46] <nixternal> thanks crimsun, as you will have a lot more to do, as that was just run 1, and im sure there is more to come ;)
[05:46] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: I just ate chocolate&coffee cake for breakfast :(
[05:47] <Tm_T> I don't feel good
[05:47] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: now that is scary.
[05:47] <Tm_T> yeah, leftovers from weddingparty
[06:39] <Tm_T> can't hate expert installation
[06:43] <Tm_T> hi abattoir
[06:43] <abattoir> hello again, Tm_T :)
[07:40] <Hobbsee> hi all
[07:40] <kwwii_> moin
[07:41] <Hobbsee> hey kwwii_!
[07:42] <Tm_T> AGH
[07:43] <Hobbsee> hi Tm_T.  what's up?
[07:43] <Tm_T> just noticed, even expert install didn't ask packages I like to install
[07:43] <Hobbsee> ah
[07:44] <Tm_T> it did ask a lot other questions as it should
[07:44] <Tm_T> so now I have full Kubuntu install
[07:44] <Tm_T> mooh, I waited 5 min to see even kmenu open =)
[07:45] <Tm_T> oh well, I just install wmaker and then start uninstall all unneeded services
[07:58] <kwwii_> hi Hobsee
[07:58] <Tm_T> hi kwwii_
[07:58] <kwwii_> my router has been playing games with me the last few days
[07:58] <kwwii_> although I am not sure if it is my router or my provider
[07:59] <kwwii_> things are messed up here
[07:59] <Tm_T> kwwii_: you should remember to talk nice and feed it
[07:59] <kwwii_> maybe the CIA are listening to me
[08:02] <kwwii_> wow, that killed the conversation, now everyone is scared :p
[08:03] <nixternal> lol
[08:03] <nixternal> kwwii_: excellent work on the artwork for Knot 2
[08:04] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyEft/Knot2/Kubuntu    this is a taste of the future release, and your work is there...please look over the "feedback" for artwork and let me know if that is ok, or if you want it elsewhere
[08:05] <kwwii_> nixternal: I'll do that now
[08:05] <Tm_T> :)
[08:07] <kwwii_> nixternal: dude, that page is amazing
[08:07] <kwwii_> wow
[08:07] <Tm_T> kwwii_: you already have fixed version of that glassy kubuntu logo background thing?
[08:07] <kwwii_> I am stunned
[08:07] <nixternal> why thank you!
[08:08] <kwwii_> Tm_T: erm, not sure I know what you mean
[08:08] <nixternal> it only looks pretty cuz of your colors ;)
[08:08] <freeflying> kwwii_: the wallpaper in edgy is nice  :)  I like it
[08:08] <kwwii_> freeflying: cool, good to hear that!
[08:09] <Tm_T> kwwii_: http://www.tm-travolta.net/pics/art/KUB1-purp-01.png
[08:09] <nixternal> +1 as well on the wallpaper
[08:09] <nixternal> at least it isn't bubbles ;)
[08:09] <Tm_T> kwwii_: don't even try to say I didn't say clear! ;)
[08:09] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: /me drools
[08:10] <Hobbsee> now *that* does look cool!
[08:10] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: see? ubuntu logo there
[08:10] <Hobbsee> yep
[08:10] <Tm_T> terrible ;)
[08:10] <nixternal> oh my sweet jesus i just flipped out of my chair at that beautiful image
[08:10] <Tm_T> blame kwwii, I just made background
[08:11] <kwwii_> Tm_T: the original pic was rendered....how did you want it fixed? I know what you are talking about, but I am still unsure as to what you want. :-)
[08:11] <Tm_T> kwwii_: kubuntu logo instead of ubuntu one
[08:11] <Tm_T> just a small detail
[08:15] <kwwii_> Tm: well, to be honest, it might take a little more than a week, as I loaned the computer that has the file on it to a friend...I totally forgot about it but I can take care of that when I get the file back (sorry for the wait). how did you plan to use that? I love the pic, but cannot figure out where we could use it
[08:17] <kwwii_> I have different renderings with the correct logo, they are not quite as nice, but the might do as well...I'll send them to you later if you give me your email address
[08:21] <kwwii_> I have a few things to do in the city this morning and have to leave soon...but I will be back later this afternoon/evening
[08:23] <Tm_T> kwwii_: it's not busy issue, just if I play around it some day and get something releaseable
[08:23] <Tm_T> then I might show it off in k-l.o
[08:26] <kwwii_> the next time you see me, I'll have posted the pics that I have on my server, after that I can edit the exact pic you mean and we can go from there ;-)
[08:28] <Tm_T> kwwii_: thanks, you're precious :)
[08:30] <kwwii_> Tm_T: I try to do my best :-)
[08:34] <danimo> moin
[08:34] <Hobbsee> hi danimo
[08:34] <danimo> heya Hobbsee
[08:36] <danimo> ls
[08:36] <danimo> upps :)
[08:38] <danimo> kwwii_: thanks dude, if only I drank coffee...
[08:38] <danimo> kwwii_: moin btw
[08:38] <kwwii_> hehe, I do not drink coffee either :p
[08:39] <danimo> kwwii_, Hobbsee: so what is your way to get going when you have to get up early?
[08:42] <kwwii_> danimo: a shower
[08:42] <kwwii_> then a really cold cola
[08:42] <kwwii_> and a cigarette :p
[08:43] <danimo> kwwii_: heh, same here. I'm a i18n("bekennender Warmduscher")
[08:43] <danimo> kwwii_: but no cigarette and no cola :)
[08:43] <kwwii_> hehe
[08:43] <Hobbsee_> what'd i miss?
[08:43] <danimo> Hobbsee: a confession :)
[08:43] <Hobbsee> danimo: ah.  who and waht?
[08:44] <kwwii_> well, danima and I admitted that we are both "warmduscher"
[08:44] <Hobbsee> which is?
[08:44] <kwwii_> figure that out and get back to me
[08:44] <danimo> Hobbsee: (hihi, "danima". talking about people who cannot use tab completion ;)
[08:44] <Hobbsee> danimo: oh, thanks for the recursion stuff, btw
[08:44] <danimo> Hobbsee: hehe, did it help you or what?
[08:45] <Hobbsee> danimo: yeah.  we covered it in lectures today :P
[08:45] <Hobbsee> he took an hour to explain what you did in about 10 mins.
[08:45] <danimo> Hobbsee: I hope you profitted then
[08:45] <Hobbsee> danimo: :)
[08:45] <Hobbsee> danimo: sure, i wrote the stuff for the tutorial in an hour later during the lecture :P
[08:46] <danimo> Hobbsee: great!
[08:47] <danimo> Hobbsee: I never understood recursions before uni. my school teacher constantly failed at explaining how to properly construct them
[08:47] <Hobbsee> heh
[08:47] <Hobbsee> hah.  found the translation
[08:48] <danimo> Hobbsee: well, once you find the escape condition it's all cake
[08:48] <Hobbsee> danimo: yeah, exactly
[08:48] <crimsun> did your instructor approach recursion from a procedural or a functional perspective?
[08:48] <danimo> Hobbsee: so what is it?
[08:48] <Hobbsee> crimsun: he did it from a mangling perspecive.
[08:48] <danimo> Hobbsee: heh, ideally they are not inifinite
[08:48] <crimsun> probably the former, then.
[08:48] <Hobbsee> yeah, exactly
[08:49] <danimo> Hobbsee: C++, right?
[08:49] <Hobbsee> danimo: yes
[08:49] <danimo> Hobbsee: procedural then
[08:49] <danimo> Hobbsee: what did you find? the english term for "warmduscher"? :)
[08:50] <Hobbsee> danimo: wimp or something.  cant look back, as firefox is throwing a large cow over opening a big file
[08:51] <danimo> Hobbsee: yes, but it also has a literal meaning.
[08:52] <danimo> Hobbsee: kwwii and I figured we both take a warm shower as a coffee substitute
[08:52] <danimo> Hobbsee: which is what a "warmduscher" means :)
[08:52] <Hobbsee> ah
[08:52] <danimo> Hobbsee: not hot, not cold, just pleasantly warm
[08:53] <danimo> Hobbsee: if you need a german word btw: just use leo: in konq or in alt+f2
[08:54] <Hobbsee> ahhh...
[08:54] <Hobbsee> or can translate it
[08:55] <danimo> leo has been invaluable for me ever since
[09:04] <omeow> Hobbsee, http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131956
[09:04] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 131956 in general "kickban available from context menu, but /kickban returns an error" [Wishlist,Resolved: fixed]
[09:04] <omeow> It wasn't in konvi before, apparently.
[09:05] <Hobbsee> omeow: cool :)
[09:06] <Hobbsee> it certainly was, because i used it :P
[09:06] <omeow> Well, then Sho changed it to wishlist thinking it wasn't.
[09:26] <Hobbsee> omeow: likely.  oh well.
[09:26] <Hobbsee> it's fixed, i'm happy :)
[09:28] <Lure> nixternal: what you are doing here is really great! - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyEft/Knot2/Kubuntu
[09:28] <Hobbsee> hey Lure, how are you doing?
[09:29] <Lure> Hobbsee: ok, and you?
[09:29] <Hobbsee> Lure: yeah, okay, been uploading some other people's stuff, or just finding it fails to build
[09:29] <Hobbsee> work soon :(
[09:29] <nixternal> thanks Lure!  with the help of the dev's and of course Riddell is what really makes that great, i just do some snapshots and type up some words ;)
[09:30] <Lure> I can send you new soundkonverter, which raphink and Tonio_ did not respond yet ;-)
[09:30] <Hobbsee> Lure: to whom?  oh, to upload?
[09:30] <Hobbsee> Lure: main or universe?
[09:30] <nixternal> hey, i just used 'leo -g warmduscher' and it said 'milksop', 'mollycoddle', and 'wimp'
[09:30] <nixternal> lol
[09:31] <Hobbsee> Lure: meeting on thursday this week, 2100 UTC.  you're in the kcc, arent you?
[09:31] <Lure> nixternal: this is as important as doing the stuff - if we do not get message through, we do not get feedback early enough
[09:31] <Hobbsee> true
[09:31] <Lure> nixternal: not everybody install each preview, but they may read nice announcement
[09:32] <nixternal> true, glad I could help out...and yes Hobbsee, i know i have a manual merge, one eye open right now, tomorrow/today actually most definitiely ;)
[09:32] <Lure> Hobbsee: I not in kcc and not sure if I will be able to attend (have some business partners to entertain that evening)
[09:32] <Hobbsee> Lure: ah okay
[09:32] <Lure> Hobbsee: allee, toma, Riddell? ;-)
[09:32] <Hobbsee> me, Riddell, tonio_, raphink, toma....
[09:32] <Hobbsee> allee, that's ti.
[09:32] <Hobbsee> *it
[09:32] <nixternal> actually, it was imbrandon who said something about my manual merge earlier, sorry Hobbsee ;)
[09:32] <Hobbsee> nixternal: actually, i think i mentioned it first to him :P  but yeah :P
[09:33] <nixternal> ahhhh, i had something whitty to say right there im sure, but it just escaped me
[09:33] <nixternal> ;)
[09:33] <Hobbsee> hah
[09:33] <nixternal> probably safer that way, i hate that pointy stick ;)
[09:34] <nixternal> Guten Morgen!
[09:34] <nixternal> dude, leo is cool!
[09:37] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:37] <Hobbsee> but my pointy stick is fun!
[09:38] <Hobbsee> nixternal: i could bludgeon you with my baseball bat, if you'd prefer :P
[09:39] <nixternal> hmm, let me get back to you on that one ;)
[09:39] <Hobbsee> haha
[09:40] <Hobbsee> actually, i'm known to be kinda violent.  i ended up shoving my boss into the corner of a cash register, and trying to hit him over the head yesterday.
[09:40] <Hobbsee> :P
[09:40] <Hobbsee> he deserved it though.
[09:41] <freeflying_> anyone can use k3b under edgy?
[09:41] <freeflying_> seems the permission need correct
[09:45] <danimo> Hobbsee: and you're still working for him? :)
[09:58] <danimo> moin el :)
[09:58] <el> moin danimo
[10:10] <omeow> Hi el.
[10:10] <el> hi omeow
[10:10] <omeow> kudos on the system settings redesign.
[10:10] <omeow> I pointed out a flaw earlier, but riddel told me that is was already known. :)
[10:11] <omeow> (users having to do two searches if they want to search for something, one in general and one in advanced)
[10:15] <omeow> Would be quite confusing if that was left the way it was.
[11:43] <Riddell> abattoir: hi
[12:00] <abattoir> Riddell: hello :)
[12:01] <abattoir> Riddell: i read your messages...
[12:01] <abattoir> Riddell: isnt 'self.current_page = None' called only during the 'user config' step?
[12:01] <Riddell> abattoir: yes
[12:02] <Riddell> which is the last page
[12:02] <Riddell> so it means the programme exists after that page
[12:03] <abattoir> Riddell: but, for the first page, the language and location one, the data is loaded, for the second one, the keyboard page, it isnt... doesnt that mean, the UI must be interrupted after the language step?
[12:04] <Riddell> abattoir: keyboard doesn't get loaded on the gtk frontend for me either
[12:04] <abattoir> Riddell: oh, really? it gets loaded here...
[12:06] <abattoir> Riddell: could it be possible that i made a mistake during packaging... which could cause that....
[12:06] <abattoir> ?
[12:06] <Riddell> could be, I get the debconf error I pointed you to
[12:07] <abattoir> Riddell: yes, i get that too...
[12:07] <abattoir> Riddell: i thought i'd ask Kamion about it after i finish this
[12:08] <abattoir> Riddell: shall i upload the version of oem-config contain my changes(Kamion's code only)? or would you prefer branching it and packaging it yourself?
[12:09] <abattoir> *that doesnt contain
[12:09] <abattoir> *my changes
[12:12] <Riddell> abattoir: I think the version you've uploaded is fine
[12:13] <Riddell> abattoir: do you know which of the d-i/source  .debs and .udebs need installed?
[12:15] <abattoir> Riddell: isnt it similar to ubiquity, where you need the backend and either or both frontends? or are you asking something else
[12:16] <abattoir> Riddell: I have the oem-config_1.0_amd64.deb , oem-config-gtk_1.0_all.deb and oem-config-kde_1.0_all.deb installed
[12:17] <Riddell> abattoir: what version of localechooser-data do you have?
[12:17] <abattoir> localechooser-data_1.20ubuntu5
[12:19] <abattoir> Riddell: sorry, its localechooser-data_1.20ubuntu4
[12:21] <seaLne> morning
[12:56] <Riddell> abattoir: my localechooser-data misses the SUPPORTED-short file
[12:57] <Riddell> do I need oem-config-keyboard?
[12:57] <abattoir> oem-config-keyboard?
[12:58] <Riddell> guess not
[12:58] <abattoir> there is a keyboard.py file in components... you mean that?
[12:58] <abattoir> if you mean a package, no there is none that i'm aware of
[01:07] <Riddell> abattoir: could you upload your localechooser-data .deb
[01:08] <abattoir> Riddell: sure... one sec
[01:09] <abattoir> Riddell: http://muse.19inch.net/~abattoir/localechooser-data_1.20ubuntu4_all.deb
[01:12] <Riddell> abattoir: could you look in /var/cache/debconf/config.dat and tell me what the owner of console-keymaps-at/keymap is
[01:15] <abattoir> Riddell: ok, one sec
[01:16] <abattoir> Riddell: 'console-data'
[01:16] <Riddell> what version of console-data do you have?
[01:17] <Riddell> abattoir:
[01:17] <abattoir> Riddell: 20060609ubuntu2
[01:17] <Riddell> me too
[01:17] <Riddell> but nothing in debconf
[01:19] <abattoir> Riddell: you mean debconf doesnt read it or something?
[01:19] <Riddell> well there's no entries in config.dat
[01:19] <Riddell> for it
[01:20] <Riddell> maybe it's one of these udebs
[01:25] <abattoir> Riddell: so from what i read just now, udebs 'cant be installed in a normal system' ?
[01:27] <Riddell> console-keymaps-at_20060609ubuntu2_all.udeb looks like it
[01:28] <abattoir> Riddell: so how do you install a udeb?
[01:28] <Riddell> dunno
[01:31] <Riddell> abattoir: what is your setup for working with this?  I'm just using a chroot
[01:31] <abattoir> Riddell: i directly run it on my amd64 edgy install
[01:31] <Riddell> which should be just the same
[01:45] <abattoir> sorry... kwin crashed :(
[01:57] <Riddell> abattoir: ok, I've got it running now
[01:57] <Riddell> needed to compile the latest console-data
[01:57] <abattoir> Riddell: the gtk one?
[01:57] <Riddell> yes
[01:57] <Riddell> I see the problem in the kde one, something isn't calling filteredcommand.run()
[01:58] <Riddell> for the dbfilter
[01:58] <Riddell> now I just have to work out what should be calling that :)
[01:59] <abattoir> Riddell: hmmm, so you mean b/w language and keyboard steps?
[02:00] <Riddell> abattoir: when you first load the gtk frontend it goes into the main loop then it calls run() in language.py
[02:00] <Riddell> that run() is missing from the kde-ui
[02:00] <Riddell> but I'm not sure what's calling it
[02:06] <Riddell> ah hah
[02:06] <Riddell> abattoir: you need watch_debconf_fd and watch_debconf_fd_helper
[02:06] <imbrandon> import traceback
[02:06] <Riddell> imbrandon: then what?
[02:07] <imbrandon> to traceback python
[02:07] <Riddell> imbrandon: I want to do print traceback
[02:07] <imbrandon> hold on
[02:07] <imbrandon> http://cssed.sourceforge.net/docs/pycssed_developers_guide-html-0.1/x139.html
[02:08] <imbrandon> ^^ that might work ( it outputs to stderr , console )
[02:08] <Riddell> imbrandon: thanks
[02:08] <imbrandon> the code snip, not the project
[02:08] <abattoir> Riddell: hmmm... i was hoping it wasnt that :'(
[02:08] <abattoir> Riddell: what do i do w/ the gobject things?
[02:08] <Riddell> abattoir: you should be able to copy that out of ubiquity
[02:09] <Riddell> abattoir: it's slightly different in qt, you need to keep track of the filter to call and you need one watch per signal type
[02:10] <abattoir> Riddell: oh... ok, i'll try copying some of your ubiquity code then ;)
[02:10] <Riddell> you need to keep track of the processes
[02:10] <Riddell> self.debconf_callbacks[from_debconf]  = process_input
[02:11] <Riddell> that stores which callback to call
[02:11] <Riddell> but otherwise it's much the same
[02:11] <Riddell> I expect that code can be copied and pasted from ubiquity
[02:13] <abattoir> Riddell: i need to make some modifications....
[02:14] <Riddell> why?
[02:15] <abattoir> Riddell: 1. i dont think all of it is needed... i.e oem-config has no 'watch_debconf_fd_helper_read/write/exception...
[02:15] <Riddell> abattoir: as I say that's there because of qt
[02:15] <Riddell> qt needs separate signals for each watch type
[02:16] <abattoir> Riddell: oh, so i should copy those functions too ?
[02:16] <Riddell> gtk doesn't so the gtk frontend only has one watch method
[02:16] <Riddell> yes
[02:16] <abattoir> aah, ok....
[02:21] <abattoir> Riddell: yay, keyboard works :D
[02:21] <abattoir> Riddell: thanks a lot
[02:22] <Riddell> woo!
[02:26] <abattoir> Riddell: did the comboboxes expand to the size of the entries... for you?
[02:27] <Riddell> abattoir: no
[02:27] <danimo> wb Hobbsee :)
[02:27] <abattoir> Riddell: isnt qt automatically supposed to do that, if the widget is laid out?
[02:28] <Hobbsee> hi danimo
[02:28] <Hobbsee> hi abattoir, Riddell
[02:28] <Hobbsee> welcome back mornfall
[02:28] <Riddell> abattoir: it should do, but depends on how its layed out
[02:28] <mornfall> ah hi... i forgot i joined again :-)
[02:28] <abattoir> Riddell: for eg., just opening the .ui in designer and stretching it seems to expand the combo box accordingly..
[02:29] <abattoir> hello Hobbsee :)
[02:29] <mornfall> in fact i was slightly^W drunk when doing so :P
[02:29] <Hobbsee> mornfall: hehe
[02:29] <Hobbsee> mornfall: glad you're back, anyway
[02:30] <imbrandon> moins Hobbsee mornfall
[02:31] <Hobbsee> hi imbrandon.  voyager fixed yet?  :P
[02:31] <imbrandon> heh it was never broke , that i know of
[02:31] <imbrandon> i'm typing from it now
[02:31] <imbrandon> heh
[02:31] <Hobbsee> right
[02:31] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i couldnt ssh into it when i was trying earlier
[02:32] <imbrandon> ahh dunno, might have been a isp hickup
[02:32] <imbrandon> hehe
[02:32] <abattoir> Riddell: ok, i'll figure that out, thanks a lot again for your help :) . I'll have to bring in the busy cursor, and i think just cleaning it up is left :D
[02:35] <abattoir> Riddell: and shall i ask Kamion about that error, later?
[02:37] <Hobbsee> abattoir: kamion's on holidays
[02:37] <Riddell> Hobbsee: he is?
[02:37] <Riddell> abattoir: which error?
[02:37] <Hobbsee> Riddell: well, he's in #u-devel, but he says he's on holidays.
[02:37] <Riddell> abattoir: try setting the combo boxes to have a size policy of expanded instead of fixed
[02:37] <Riddell> it's also a bank holiday here
[02:38] <Riddell> I should go and do the festival
[02:38] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ahhh.  what's a bank holiday for?
[02:38] <Hobbsee> Riddell: nah, surely you should fix bugs!  :P
[02:39] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I am I am!
[02:39] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hehe!  what'd you fix?
[02:39] <Riddell> well I helped abattoir, and now I'm looking at this xinit not installing issue
[02:39] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ahh...i guess that counts then :)
[02:42] <imbrandon> lol @ Hobbsee
[02:44] <imbrandon> Riddell: you know of a way i can get shit-it to speed up a order i'm looking at placing today ? its for the ITEC confrence here in KC in late october ( 25th an 26th ) and we wanted to give out about 300 kubuntu cd's ( point release 6.06.1 ? )
[02:44] <imbrandon> but if we order the normal way it will be too late
[02:45] <imbrandon> ship-it* whoops
[02:46] <Riddell> imbrandon: there should be an e-mail you can use to request priority ones
[02:46] <imbrandon> ahh ok , dident realize that, thanks
[03:02] <imbrandon> omg , heh did you all catch the news about aol's search data ? if not i sugest reading it, seems they leaked their search data to the public
[03:03] <Riddell> URL?
[03:03] <imbrandon> very personal search data for over 20 million searches tracked by uesr and what they clicked etc, http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/08/06/aol-proudly-releases-massive-amounts-of-user-search-data/
[03:04] <Hobbsee> wonder what the highest hit sites wer.
[03:04] <Hobbsee> *were
[03:04] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: quote " ..... their release of data that includes 20 million web queries from 650,000 AOL users. "
[03:04] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yeah, but of what?  :P
[03:04] <imbrandon> all kinda stuff, the article explains it
[03:06] <imbrandon> hahaha someone in #u-offtopic said "[07:48]  * Paladine registers AOLSearchLogs.Co.Uk" and is going to repost the data, thtas just asking for a lawsuit
[03:06] <imbrandon> heh
[03:06] <Hobbsee> very scary.
[03:08] <imbrandon> the crazy part is my isp owns AOL heh, so i might need to find a new ISP soon ;)
[03:09] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: exactly
[03:09] <imbrandon> heh
[03:10] <Hobbsee> even though it's mostly the paper, or kubuntu stuff, or whatever...
[03:11] <imbrandon> lol
[03:11] <Hobbsee> it's my router, i'm entitled to.
[03:11] <Hobbsee> not my cable connection though
[03:14] <Hobbsee> http://www.smh.com.au/news/biztech/telstra-scraps-high-speed-broadband-upgrade/2006/08/07/1154802795067.html
[03:14] <Hobbsee> :(
[03:15] <Hobbsee> although, if they wait two years or so...that'd be pretty good ;)
[03:28] <Tm_T> ha, I can run kate and konsole in wmaker smoothly but just starting kde hungs up this baby =)
[03:28] <danimo> Hobbsee: who needs more bandwith, if there is a traffic limit anyway?
[03:28] <Hobbsee> danimo: that's true.  hopefully there woulndt be one
[03:28] <Tm_T> danimo: what limits?
[03:29] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: i have a 10gb download limit
[03:29] <Hobbsee> whihc is a bit of a problem as my edgy partition seems to like locking up
[03:29] <Tm_T> no limits.
[03:30] <danimo> Hobbsee: traffic limits turned out to be an issue of competition here
[03:30] <Tm_T> none of big gamers have limits here
[03:30] <danimo> Hobbsee: they were usual on cheap DSL lines until resellers offered real flats at the same price
[03:31] <Riddell> I like my unlimited 13Mb ADSL :)
[03:32] <danimo> Riddell: MB or MBit?
[03:32] <Riddell> bit
[03:32] <danimo> ok
[03:32] <danimo> nice
[03:33] <Tm_T> I would like to have regular 8/2 here :(
[03:33] <Riddell> Tm_T: what's the 2?
[03:33] <Tm_T> Riddell: up
[03:33] <Riddell> my up is only 1Mb and that's as high as I've seen it
[03:33] <danimo> Riddell: I have 1Mbit/400/kbit here, but at 5 Euros a month :)
[03:33] <Hobbsee> danimo: lucky
[03:33] <Riddell> danimo: cheapskate student :)
[03:33] <Tm_T> Riddell: heh, 10/10 costs too much :p
[03:34] <Tm_T> danimo: that kind of here, 50
[03:34] <danimo> Riddell: that's what you get for being your prividers best alerter and problem diagnoser :)
[03:34] <Tm_T> danimo: just because I live 2 km wrong place
[03:34] <danimo> Tm_T: same here. I could have regular DSL Line
[03:34] <danimo> Tm_T: but my place is fiberd
[03:34] <danimo> Tm_T: so I have to get DSL through the air
[03:35] <danimo> a week ago I saw them adding DLAMs, making normal DSL possible
[03:35] <danimo> DSLAMs even
[03:35] <danimo> Tm_T: but I can't get out of my current contract for another 1,5 years
[03:36] <Tm_T> mooh
[03:38] <danimo> they're nice guys, yet a bit clueless sometimes :)
[03:40] <imbrandon> heh
[03:40] <danimo> ki
[03:41] <mornfall> hmm, 2km... i live 20 meters wrong place
[03:41] <danimo> imbrandon: conversations like "I get regular disconnects, I checked everything, it ain't my fault" "Hmm, let me see..." "Ah yeah, there we have a problem, that could have gotten a lot worse in a few minutes" are funny :)
[03:41] <mornfall> optic ends in a neighbouring house
[03:41] <imbrandon> mornfall: ouch
[03:41] <danimo> imbrandon: the supporters call me the fire sirene for that reason ;)
[03:41] <imbrandon> danimo: hahaha
[04:00] <bddebian> Hello
[04:01] <imbrandon> moins bddebian
[04:01] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian
[04:01] <bddebian> Hi imbrandon, Hobbsee!
[04:08] <MidMark> Riddell: what do you think about Bug #55505
[04:08] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 55505 in ubiquity "auto-update ubiquity if a newer version is available from internet" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/55505
[04:08] <Riddell> MidMark: we're doing point releases for that
[04:09] <MidMark> so ubiquity can now update itself?
[04:10] <MidMark> have you read bug report?
[04:22] <Riddell> MidMark: no, but we'll have updated CDs with the latest ubiquity
[04:22] <Riddell> MidMark: but there's been a couple of broken versions of ubiquity in dapper-updates and I wouldn't trust it to just get the lastest version
[04:23] <MidMark> Riddell: understood, anyway an auto-update will be better imho
[04:23] <MidMark> and of course taking care of fixes-after-the-release
[04:31] <imbrandon> MidMark: sometimes that is not an option if the system has barely the ram to run the livecd
[04:31] <MidMark> Riddell: also bug 39444 is still present in 2 different variants, probably a less-fast fix is needed
[04:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39444 in kde-guidance "Changing an user's password can change another password for a different user" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/39444
[04:31] <imbrandon> an update would not work
[04:32] <MidMark> imbrandon: yes also if internet is not available, but it is a one more chance don't you think? For a lot of people can fix problems
[04:33] <imbrandon> MidMark: possibly, but i think it needs a bit more thought than just "add an update option" , maybe something to bring up on the -devel list(s)
[04:33] <imbrandon> becouse as Riddell said also thus far -updates ubiguitys are broke at times
[04:34] <MidMark> imbrandon: this is because sometimes fix are too fast and not too tested by devels
[04:34] <MidMark> see previous bug
[04:34] <MidMark> seems so easy that it's fault to fix
[04:34] <imbrandon> MidMark: i understand the reasoning and the problem, but it sadly exists and would have to be thought out
[04:34] <imbrandon> is all  i'm saying
[04:35] <imbrandon> s/thought/well thought
[04:35] <MidMark> mine was only a propose, devel can discuss: for me can be a good tool to fix installer crashes and potential data-loss
[04:49] <DaSkreech> How goes Podcasts?
[04:49] <imbrandon> DaSkreech: you talkin to me ?
[04:49] <DaSkreech> Ermm... Yes :-)
[04:50] <DaSkreech> Hmm people seem upset at the Oxygen icon theme ...
[04:51] <imbrandon> hehe , well atm they are shelved, untill theFridge guys get something togather, one of the things about mergin was to keep the podcast alive, but it seems they love red tape, so i may just keep it alive via my blog
[04:51] <imbrandon> dunno yet
[04:52] <DaSkreech> Are you still doing interviews so you have them on record?
[04:53] <imbrandon> yup
[04:53] <imbrandon> i have 2 epsodes recorded waiting
[04:53] <imbrandon> grrr freakin isp's are killin me too , still waiting on this darn dns transfer
[04:53] <imbrandon> brb
[04:54] <DaSkreech> k
[05:17] <kwwii_> DaSkreech: how are people upset about the oxygen theme? on which list?
[05:18] <DaSkreech> http://dot.kde.org/1149443021/1149452878/1149453694/
[05:20] <kwwii_> hehe, one person....I can live with that
[05:20] <kwwii_> and they seem to be more upset that they cannot see everything now
[05:20] <kwwii_> but this is artwork for kde4...the whole point is to create a "bang" for kde4
[05:20] <DaSkreech> Well they are saying that the icons are bad and the creators are asses
[05:20] <kwwii_> if we released it now, it would be boring
[05:21] <DaSkreech> There is another little thread below
[05:21] <kwwii_> hehe, yeah...but I can live with being an ass
[05:21] <DaSkreech> http://dot.kde.org/1149443021/1149486675/
[05:23] <kwwii_> see, if we did not show anyone them at all, we would not even have this criticism....the point was to encourage a bit of criticism so that we can improve things
[05:23] <kwwii_> that kind of discussion doesn't worry me
[05:24] <kwwii_> I mean, the one guy sounds pissed simply because he knows that we will not change things to whatever he thinks is best without seeing the improved icons first
[05:24] <DaSkreech> Yeah I was kind of taken aback that the first thing people said was IT's too pretty!!
[05:24] <kwwii_> it is amazing how many people are willing to complain about artwork and how few are willing to actually work on it p
[05:25] <kwwii_> :p
[05:25] <seaLne> yeah but most people's artwork would be *really* bad
[05:25] <sebas> That is amazing *everywhere*.
[05:27] <kwwii_> sebas: yeah, good point
[05:27] <DaSkreech> 90% of everythign is crap :)
[05:27] <kwwii_> luckily we have torsten rahn, defender of the artwork
[05:27] <DaSkreech> Loudly it seems
[05:29] <imbrandon> kwwii_ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111oneoneone
[05:29] <imbrandon> hehe
[05:29] <imbrandon> hows it going man lol
[05:29] <imbrandon> moins seaLne
[05:29] <kwwii_> howdy imbrandon
[05:30] <kwwii_> imbrandon: in a few days I'll be in St. Louis
[05:30] <imbrandon> nice , cool
[05:30] <imbrandon> well have to grab a beer^Wcoffee heh
[05:31] <kwwii_> imbrandon: we can definitely set something up - but know now that I do not drink coffee! :p
[05:31] <imbrandon> hehe
[05:31] <kwwii_> imbrandon: driving up to chicago on the first days...I'll be back in town around the 13th
[05:31] <kwwii_> so any time between the 13th and the 20th
[05:32] <imbrandon> kool ok, you might ping nixternal if you talk to him at all, he is in the chicacago area
[05:32] <imbrandon> sweet
[05:32] <imbrandon> i'll see if i cant make it over on the 14 or 15th
[05:33] <imbrandon> i dont think i have anything going on then
[05:34] <kwwii_> imbrandon: sounds good to me :-)
[05:34] <kwwii_> hehe, I could turn this into a kubuntu vacation
[05:34] <imbrandon> man, i figured i'd rsync my server to backit up before i switched host completely and its over 300MB , and there is nothing really there !!
[05:34] <imbrandon> hahah a kubuntu arround the world ;)
[05:35] <imbrandon> hehe
[05:35] <imbrandon> just take some pic's with our laptops covering the beer bottles showing kubuntu artwork ;0
[05:35] <imbrandon> for "proof" hehehe
[05:35] <kwwii_> exactly :-)
[05:35] <kwwii_> "no, no...we were actually working at Hooters!"
[05:36] <imbrandon> HAHAHAHA
[05:36] <imbrandon> funny enough hooters does have wifi LOL
[05:36] <kwwii_> even funnier is that you know that fact :p
[05:36] <DaSkreech> We needed models for the jugs and they mistook our request for their jugs
[05:36] <imbrandon> leaste the one here in KC does
[05:37] <kwwii_> lol
[05:38] <imbrandon> lol @ DaSkreech
[06:38] <nixternal> imbrandon: ping?
[06:55] <kwwii_> bbl
[06:57] <DaSkreech> l8r
[07:29] <Lure> raphink: ping
[07:30] <raphink> pong
[07:30] <Lure> did you have time to look in soundkonverter?
[07:30] <raphink> not yet sorry
[07:30] <Lure> (I suspect Tonio_ is on vacation)
[07:30] <raphink> work and other projects :(
[07:30] <raphink> it might be easier if you uploaded it to REVU
[07:30] <raphink> so I can directly launch revu-tools on it
[07:30] <raphink> and look at the report
[07:31] <Lure> raphink: I tried, but since first one failed, I could not anymore (even with dput -f)
[07:31] <raphink> let me see
[07:32] <raphink> try again now
[07:32] <raphink> :)
[07:32] <Lure> raphink: it may be also me, as I am doing it for first time
[07:32] <raphink> oh
[07:32] <raphink> are you in the ubuntu-universe-contributors team on LP ?
[07:32] <raphink> oh no this is not the problem ;)
[07:32] <raphink> you didn't use the -S -sa options when building
[07:32] <raphink> debuild -S -sa
[07:32] <raphink> otherwise you'll upload the .deb which is wrong
[07:33] <Lure> it is uploading the .deb... :-(
[07:33] <Lure> so Ctrl-C?
[07:34] <raphink> yes
[07:34] <raphink> you should do "debuild -S -sa" from withing the source dir
[07:34] <raphink> and then dput the source.changes file
[07:34] <Lure> debsign failed - will do it manually on source.changes
[07:35] <raphink> if design failed, you can force your key ID with -k
[07:36] <Lure> ok, will do next time - now it is uploading source
[07:36] <Lure> so REVU does automatic build or so?
[07:37] <raphink> no
[07:37] <raphink> I have to do it
[07:37] <raphink> your package will be taken by the cron in 3 minutes
[07:37] <raphink> then it'll show online, hopefully
[07:37] <raphink> then I can build it
[07:39] <Lure> raphink: ok - upload completed, thanks for help
[07:41] <raphink> Lure: did you sign your package?
[07:42] <raphink> cause it was rejected
[07:43] <Lure> yes I did: Good signature on /home/luka/ubuntu/mm/soundkonverter_0.2-0ubuntu1_source.changes.
[07:43] <Lure> maybe my key is not in REVU keyring...
[07:44] <raphink> are you in the ubuntu-universe-contributors group on LP?
[07:44] <raphink> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/SeedManagement
[07:44] <raphink> oops
[07:44] <raphink> https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-universe-contributors
[07:44] <raphink> directly or indirectly
[07:44] <Lure> yes
[07:45] <raphink> if you're not a MOTU and if you didn't add yourself
[07:45] <raphink> ok then
[07:45] <raphink> what's your key ID?
[07:45] <Lure> 7656A4B0
[07:45] <Lure> (it is not signed key - can be this?)
[07:46] <raphink> no
[07:46] <raphink> do you have your key on LP?
[07:46] <Lure> yes
[07:48] <raphink> let's wait 2 minutes Lure
[07:48] <raphink> it should be fine now
[07:52] <Lure> raphink: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2848
[07:53] <Lure> interesting - there are already comments from Riddell ;-) (from 2005 ;-))
[07:53] <raphink> yep
[07:56] <Lure> W: soundkonverter; 3.7.2 is a newer Standards-Version.
[07:57] <Lure> am I supose to update standards to 3.7.2 (latest) as edgy is warning me or should I leave it 3.6.2 as REVU expects?
[07:57] <raphink> no you keep 3.7.2
[09:04] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Nice Screenshot of Wikipedia :)
[09:46] <DaSkreech> Telepathy is being put into Ubuntu?
[09:47] <imbrandon> nope just key loggers , just kidding
[09:48] <DaSkreech> ahhhh key log this!!! sudo rm -rf /
[09:48] <imbrandon> heh
[09:48] <DaSkreech> I'm royally confused about telepathy
[09:48] <imbrandon> cat /dev/urandom > /dev/hda
[09:49] <imbrandon> ohh thats a package? i thought you were playin heh ;)
[09:49] <DaSkreech> :-) Silly
[09:49] <DaSkreech> Go read the newsleter
[09:49] <DaSkreech> #8
[09:49] <imbrandon> heh no time atm, i will tonight
[09:50] <imbrandon> when everything arround me settles
[09:50] <imbrandon> in the middle of transfering my domain atm
[09:50] <imbrandon> one of my domains i should say heh
[09:51] <goldenear> I have some problem with kdevelop crashing with kde 3.5.4 ...
[09:52] <goldenear> the pb seems to be with kio and kdelibs
[09:52] <goldenear> does somebody else have some problem with kdevelop ?
[09:53] <goldenear> do I have to downgrade to kde 3.5.3 ?
[10:14] <DaSkreech> haha
[10:14] <DaSkreech> We should add http://www.itgoddess.info/calendar.htm to !women
[10:15] <jjesse> that's the calendar right?
[10:15] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[10:15] <DaSkreech> Oh this was brought up before?
[10:16] <jjesse> i've seen it about 10 different times P:)
[10:18] <neoncode> Well it looks like Vista is screwed by Mac OS 10.5
[10:19] <DaSkreech> KDE4 Screws *
[10:19] <DaSkreech> We win :-D
[10:20] <neoncode> Haha, I think at this point Mac OS 7 scrwed Vista
[10:21] <DaSkreech> Well yeah dos 6 screws Vista at this point cause it actually exists :-P
[10:21] <neoncode> True. =D
[10:22] <DaSkreech> So what's Mac OS1.5 got that makes KDE4 blink?
[10:23] <imbrandon> 10.5
[10:23] <imbrandon> osx sexyness ;)
[10:23] <imbrandon> osx sexyness is diffrent than kde sexyness
[10:23] <imbrandon> thats like asking if redheads or brunettes are better ;)
[10:24] <imbrandon> they both rock ;)
[10:26] <neoncode> What are the main new features of KDE4 anyway?
[10:26] <DaSkreech> And in deference to your wonderful analogy that's not the same as highlights imbrandon
[10:26] <DaSkreech> Umm Mostly just newness :)
[10:27] <DaSkreech> Oh wait
[10:27] <DaSkreech> The mac thingy is today huh?
[10:27] <neoncode> ...helpfull
[10:27] <neoncode> DaSkreech: WWDC 2006? ya
[10:28] <DaSkreech> Ah
[10:28] <DaSkreech> IT's a holiday today
[10:28] <DaSkreech>  :)
[10:28] <DaSkreech> so I'm a tad out of touch
[10:29] <neoncode> I got to a computer 20 minutes before the keynote started and I didn't even realise it untill I checked digg and I saw a link to mac rumour's text update page.
[10:31] <neoncode> I love the banners "hasta la vista, vista"
[10:32] <DaSkreech> Sweet :-)
[10:33] <DaSkreech> It uses 44 jigga watts of electricity
[10:35] <imbrandon_> jigga watts heh
[10:37] <neoncode> DaSkreech: What does?
[10:37] <DaSkreech> leopard
[10:39] <neoncode> Wha?
[10:40] <DaSkreech> it uses 44 Jiggawatts of electricity
[10:41] <neoncode> DaSkreech: That's a lot?
[10:42] <DaSkreech> Oh yeah
[10:42] <DaSkreech> http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/timemachine.html
[10:44] <neoncode> Ohh Time Machine... Are you reffering to the "Back to the Future" movie or something?
[10:46] <uniq> my god.. girlfriendsfriend is smoking just outside our bedroom window, which naturally is wide open.. can't go to bed for hours.. :/
[10:47] <DaSkreech> neoncode: Two points :)
[10:48] <neoncode> DaSkreech: It took me ages to get that...
[10:48] <DaSkreech> Thats why you get two points instead of ten
[10:51] <neoncode> What's the linux equivilent of Time Machene then? If any.
[10:51] <imbrandon_> rsync hehe
[10:52] <DaSkreech> imbrandon_: have you seen the time machine?
[10:52] <imbrandon_> DaSkreech: no i was being sarcastic
[10:53] <imbrandon_> only thing i use OSX for is PS
[11:00] <DaSkreech> Spaces looks a lot like saved sessions in KDE4
[11:02] <Lure> Riddell: Enable Zeroconf complains that '/usr/share/avahi/enable_avahi 0' not found
[11:03] <uniq> gnite all.
[11:04] <Lure> Riddell: also CUPS browsing would be better if only available in Administrator mode (and shaded otherwise) as it does not complain if wrong password is specified
[11:06] <DaSkreech> Nope its just desktops :)
[11:06] <DaSkreech> Awww sweet I love the Web Clips for the dashboard
[11:16] <DaSkreech> neoncode: Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude what the 'ell?
[11:21] <neoncode> DaSkreech: eh?
[11:22] <DaSkreech> http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/coreanimation.html
[11:22] <DaSkreech> What is that in aid of?
[11:22] <DaSkreech> owowowow my head hurts now
[11:22] <imbrandon> DaSkreech: you DO know there is an ##apple channel on freenode right ? heh
[11:23] <DaSkreech> They dont know what it's in aid of either :-P
[11:25] <neoncode> Cool, nalioth works in the ##apple chanell huh?
[11:25] <imbrandon> neoncode: yea he runs it
[11:26] <imbrandon> neoncode: alot of the guys from kubuntu-offtopic are in there ( the apple guys )
[11:27] <DaSkreech> The Mozilla guys should be there as well :)
[11:27] <neoncode> I SO need a mac. I just want to get one of those new MacBooks. The low end model for price reasons... but it's like 800
[11:28] <imbrandon> i love my ppc mac ;)
[11:28] <imbrandon> although a core duo one would be nice
[11:28] <imbrandon> i'm thinking about selling my iBook
[11:28] <imbrandon> maybe
[11:30] <DaSkreech> Either that or a decent palm
[11:34] <DaSkreech> imbrandon: How much are you selling it for?
[11:37] <imbrandon> DaSkreech: my iBook ? hrm dunno probably arround $500
[11:37] <Lure> funny - Amarok settings already have purple icons to match Edgy colors ;-)
[11:38] <imbrandon> Lure: hehe yea i was just looking at some of the colors and thinking about the konq start page template
[11:40] <DaSkreech> Edgy is purple?
[11:42] <yuriy> so this purple is here to stay? :(
[11:42] <imbrandon> yuriy: for the most part yup
[11:43] <yuriy> for the most part? i've only seen it in the wallpaper and kmenu so far :P
[11:43] <imbrandon> i like blue better imho but its upto the AIC
[11:47] <Lure> DaSkreech: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Kubuntu-Edgy-Ideas
[11:50] <DaSkreech> Woah. That's actually pretty sexxy
[11:51] <Lure> I like it too - for me it is better than blue and I think Kubuntu deserves own color (Kubuntu purple ;-)
[11:52] <DaSkreech> damn it now I
[11:52] <DaSkreech> m going to have to send kwii money :(
[11:53] <imbrandon> heh why is that ?
[11:54] <DaSkreech> Cause he's working on oxygen which is like my third most exciting thing in KDE4 and has totally revamped Kubuntu to be the black sheep of the Ubuntu family
[11:55] <DaSkreech> Did you see those logout buttons?


[05:41] <Mirv> hi! any insight into if the DDTP syncing with Debian is working? I've a gut feeling it has not been working during the precise cycle, but would like to hear if others share this notion.
[07:17] <andrejz> morning, dpm! I am in contact with Lubuntu packager and he is wondering if any integration has been developed between launchpad and pootle as they would like to upload launchpad translations back upstream
[07:17] <andrejz> I know one can easily export po files into bazar branch but i was wondering if anything else is also available
[07:24] <dpm> hi andrejz, good morning! no, there isn't any integration with other external web online tools apart from branch imports/exports
[07:25] <vibhav> dpm: I created the Ubuntu Hindi Localized CD Image but its based on 12.04 beta 1
[07:31] <dpm> vibhav, ah, cool
[07:43] <andrejz> dpm do you know anything about plans for  Launchpad to get author based commiting of string or have an estimate how difficult it would be to implement?
[07:44] <andrejz> if the answer is positive they i can chip in into the newly started wine debate about online translations tools
[07:59] <TLE> andrejz: AFAIU canonicals plans (in which they are willing to invest development resources) for launchpad translations can be summarized as: None
[07:59] <TLE> nul, nada, kein
[09:06] <artnay> TLE: sad but true
[09:10] <yurchor> andrejz: Hi! Regarding to Universe translation wiki page, hardinfo is not even marked for translation on code base level, how it can be translated through LP?
[09:19] <andrejz> yurchor in that case it can't. I don't know the implementation in detail but the idea is when the upstream package is uploaded into universe repository po files are extracted and put into Launchpad for translation.
[09:20] <andrejz> once langpack is generated and installed po files get into your locale directory and the package can use them
[09:20] <andrejz> so this can only work for upstreams which use gettext for now
[09:21] <yurchor> andrejz: A-ha... Thanks. hardinfo is cmake-based project and it does not generate pot during compilation (there is no translation markup in the code). So it should be reported upstream first.
[09:23] <andrejz> yurchor indeed
[09:25] <yurchor> andrejz: Then... what is wrong with geany (already on LP), banshee, gbrainy and tomboy (have healthy upstreams)?
[09:27] <andrejz> nothing is wrong with them I've just been busy with other things. The ubuntu packagers need to do minor changes in order for this to work.
[09:28] <andrejz> i started contacting them on friday to see if they are willing to do the necessary changes but given we are close to release it's probably going to be implemented for 12.10
[09:30] <yurchor> Ok. Thanks for the answers.
[09:39] <andrejz> dpm, yurchor just pointed out geany is available for translation in launchpad as upstream project. In this case message sharing can be implemented easily, correct?
[09:44] <trijntje> andrejz: could project that use .ts files for translation be made translatable via launchpad? I'm thinking of virtualbox
[09:45] <yurchor> trijntje: Not without changing project itself (lconvert should be used for po<->ts conversion).
[09:47] <trijntje> thats too bad, I really hate working in qt-linguist. In addition to the fact that the upstream translations for virtualbox are really bad
[09:48] <yurchor> trijntje: It's not a real problem: organize yourself a project on Transifex and send the results to upstream (very friendly btw).
[09:50] <trijntje> yurchor: I will send the results back upstream, but that wont be in time for the LTS. Which means these bad translations will be used for 5 years :(
[09:52] <yurchor> trijntje: To be honest, the translation of VB to your language did not become bad yesterday, right? ;) This is not the last LTS ever, isn't it?
[09:53] <trijntje> true ofcourse, but there were other more important translations to do first
[09:54] <trijntje> well, too bad I guess, its not the last LTS ever as you say ;)
[09:57] <andrejz> trijntje don't worry, many people who use non-ose virtualbox install a new version later on
[10:01] <artnay> doesn't oracle still require one to fill out their agreement? I guess that's the reason why translations suck; people don't want to have anything to do with oracle
[10:01] <andrejz> so your translations should reach them
[10:05] <andrejz> artnay: i don't know about that, never tried to translate it ;)
[10:10] <yurchor> artnay: MIT license. It's not more than LP requires (BSD with no attribution). And some people hate Rosetta for this... ;)
[10:12] <yurchor> \https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Contributor_information
[10:12] <dpm> yurchor, which people don't like the LP license and why?
[10:13] <dpm> andrejz, yeah, sharing can be enabled easily if the upstream project uses lp for translations
[10:14] <artnay> yurchor: ok, I thought it was the same case as with OOo
[10:15] <yurchor> dpm: Me for example. BSD licensing makes proprietary software developers think that all free translations are BSD-licensed and use QA-controlled translation memories from free projects in their commercial products.
[10:16] <yurchor> I had a deal with some folks of this kind.
[10:17] <artnay> dpm: is it okay if I send you the link to ubuntu-docs po once again? only 344 left to translate... :-)
[10:19] <dpm> yurchor, fair enough, I can relate to that concern. But this is rather a problem of many PO files in most projects not stating a license at all, not Launchpad using BSD
[10:19] <dpm> artnay, of course, just send it my way
[10:19] <dpm> brb, irc client kind of broken...
[10:23] <trijntje> I use vbox a lot, so I dont mind doing something back ;) And FOSS projects can still use the translations, if I'm not mistaken
[10:30] <dpm> hey all, I need some help here from someone who's translated Unity in full: when you press and hold the Super key, and then the help overlay appears, are the keyboard key names translated for you?
[10:32] <andrejz> dpm i don't have ubuntu right here but i looked at it yesterday and as far as i remember all were translated (those that we translate - we don't translate Alt and Shift for example)
[10:32] <dpm> I'm trying to find out what to do with bug 971332
[10:33] <dpm> artnay, enjoy! :)
[10:33] <dpm> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/
[10:34] <andrejz> dpm i thinik the reason is shortcuts are split into parts and it's not obvious how they fit together untill you look at them in action
[10:35] <dpm> so I guess it's a non-bug? I.e. i18n could be improved, but if everything is translatable, then it's ok for now
[10:36] <andrejz> dpm i only see the link you pasted partially translated
[10:36] <andrejz> even though documentation is now 100% in slovenian
[10:36] <dpm> andrejz, just a sec, I updated the Finish ones only. Let me update all the rest
[10:38] <andrejz> to brag a bit we are again at 0 remaining strings :)
[10:40] <andrejz> dpm can you point me to the link for translation of documentation screenshots?
[10:50] <dpm> andrejz, it's http://<IP_ADDRESS>/ubuntudocs-devel/, but neither TLE nor I have had the time of updating it. But I think the docs team didn't have the chance to update the original screenshots, either
[10:52] <andrejz> maybe it would be wise to get in contact with them and post announcement on ubuntu translations once images are ready to be translated
[11:42] <mdke> dpm: I think that the screenshots have now been updated for precise in our bzr branch
[11:42] <dpm> mdke, ah, cool, thanks!
[11:42] <mdke> hi by the way
[11:43] <dpm> ;)
[11:43] <dpm> ok, let me update the screenshots site
[11:46] <vibhav> Can anybody help me i18ning a project?
[11:47] <dpm> vibhav, could you point us to the project and where you need help?
[11:48] <dpm> artnay, andrejz, ok the http://<IP_ADDRESS>/ site is now updated with your latest translations
[11:48] <andrejz> thx dpm
[11:48] <dpm> no worries
[11:48] <dpm> the screenshots one is giving an error, but I won't have time to investigate it, unfortunately, so it will probably remain unusable
[11:51] <vibhav> dpm: sure
[11:52] <vibhav> dpm: http://sourceforge.net/projects/slantededge/
[11:52] <vibhav> Ive hosted it at Launchpad so that I can use Rosetta to get it translated
[11:53] <dpm> vibhav, could you give us a direct link to the code, so that we can have a look at it?
[11:54] <andrejz> dpm i sent emails to 3 more packagers (banshee, gbrainy and geany)
[11:54] <andrejz> will wait for their responses before i continue so i don't get drowned in traffic
[11:54] <vibhav> dpm:
[11:54] <vibhav> http://slantededge.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/slantededge/
[11:56] <dpm> mdke, it seems not all of the unity-* screenshots have been updated (the unity-overview.png one is the most visible needing an update).
[11:56] <dpm> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/unity-introduction.html
[11:56] <dpm> cool, thanks andrejz
[11:56] <dpm> vibhav, ok, will try to have a look later on, it's lunch time now, thanks
[11:58] <mdke> dpm: ok, I'll look into it
[12:11] <trijntje> gbrainy isnt translated in lp right? It's upstream is gnome
[12:13] <andrejz> yes it is
[12:14] <andrejz> trijntje the idea is to make it translatable in Launchpad just like Nautilus is, for example
[12:18] <trijntje> andrejz: I'm sorry, I thought were talking about programs that have lp as upstream
[12:21] <andrejz> trijntje: this new feature is possible for all upstream packages which use gettext, both the ones which translate upstream in launchpad and not
[12:21] <andrejz> but of course if upstream uses Launchpad for translations better message sharing can be implemented.
[12:28] <vibhav> Does anybody here know internationalization?
[12:28] <vibhav> else*
[12:33] <dpm> vibhav, looking at the code, you'll basically need to:
[12:34] <vibhav> yes?
[12:34] <dpm> - #include gettext.h in all source files that need internationalization
[12:35] <dpm> - mark all strings needing translation as such with the _() macro. E.g _("This is a translatable string")
[12:35] <dpm> - On your main.c file, you'll need to initialize gettext
[12:35] <dpm> - And finally, your Makefile should be modified to build translations
[12:35] <dpm> That's at a high-level view
[12:36] <dpm> you can have a look at an example by downloading the hello-world package in Ubuntu
[12:36] <vibhav> you mean GNU hello?
[12:36] <dpm> yes, that's the one
[12:36] <dpm> there you can see how every of these steps are done in code
[12:37] <dpm> the only part that will be a bit harder will be to modify the Makefile
[12:38] <vibhav> dpm: How Do I initialize the makefile?
[12:38] <vibhav> Sorry
[12:38] <dpm> no worries, but that's a very vague question :)
[12:38] <vibhav> dpm: I mean , how do I initialize gettext
[12:42] <dpm> vibhav, that's this part:
[12:42] <dpm> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/precise/hello/precise/view/head:/src/hello.c#L59
[12:43] <dpm> so in code you should:
[12:43] <dpm> 1. Include the gettext header:
[12:43] <dpm> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/precise/hello/precise/view/head:/src/system.h#L33
[12:44] <dpm> (note how it defines the _() macro too)
[12:44] <dpm> 2. Initialize the default locale and the translation domain
[12:44] <dpm> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/precise/hello/precise/view/head:/src/hello.c#L55
[12:44] <dpm> In short:
[12:45] <dpm> setlocale (LC_ALL, "");
[12:45] <dpm>  /* Set the text message domain.  */
[12:45] <dpm>   bindtextdomain (PACKAGE, LOCALEDIR);
[12:45] <dpm>   textdomain (PACKAGE);
[12:45] <dpm> where PACKAGE and LOCALEDIR will be preferably defined in your Makefile (although you can also hardcode them)
[12:46] <dpm> PACKAGE is the translation domain and is generally the name of your app, in lowercase
[12:46] <dpm> LOCALEDIR is "/usr/share/locale" in Ubuntu and Debian
[12:47] <dpm> You'll also need rules in your Makefile to:
[12:47] <dpm> - Create a .pot file that contains all translatable strings
[12:47] <dpm> - build all the .mo files from the .po files translators (or Launchpad) will provide
[12:48] <dpm> the .pot file is called a translation template and will be what you'll be uploading to Launchpad, and what will allow translators to see what they need to translate
[12:49] <dpm> there is only one .pot file, but there are multiple .po files, one per language, and they are text files that contain the translations
[12:50] <dpm> when your app builds, it will need to create binary .mo files from the textual .po files. The .mo files are what your app (through gettext) will use to load translations at runtime
[12:51] <dpm> Ah, also, you'll need to modify the source tree to include a po/ directory. That's where you should put the template file (.pot) and the translations (.po), all together in the same dir, in a flat layout
[12:51] <dpm> vibhav, I think that should be enough to get you started. If you need more help, feel free to ask
[12:53] <sagaci> looks like a classroom session
[12:55] <vibhav> dpm: thanks1
[12:55] <vibhav> !*
[12:56] <dpm> :)
[12:56] <dpm> yw
[12:59] <vibhav> Thouhg I knew the .pot concept
[13:03] <vibhav> dpm: Im still confused about modifying the makefile part
[13:04] <dpm> vibhav, which particular part are you confused about?
[13:04] <vibhav> The whole
[13:04] <vibhav> WHat do I add in the makefile?
[13:05] <vibhav> And how do I get a .pot file?
[13:06] <dpm> vibhav, at the high level, I think you'll just need to add 2 new rules to your makefile:
[13:07] <dpm> - One to create the .pot file
[13:07] <dpm> - One to build the .po files
[13:07] <vibhav> What are they?
[13:07] <dpm> what are what?
[13:07] <vibhav> the rules that need to be added
[13:08] <vibhav> lemme look at the hello makefile
[13:08] <dpm> hm, I can give you the overview and provide advice, but I unfortunately do not have the time to write them myself
[13:08] <dpm> I would recommend looking at the generated Makefile from hello
[13:08] <dpm> you might even be able to copy and paste them
[13:09] <dpm> although you'll probably need to modify them a bit if you're not using the same macros and m4 files the hello example uses
[14:31] <andrejz_> hello dpm!
[14:31] <andrejz_> i am on 12.04 now and some strings are indeed untranslated
[14:32] <andrejz_> in the overlay menu
[16:45] <dpm> thanks for the feedback andrejz_
[16:46] <andrejz_> dpm, can you post the link to the original bug report? maybe i can comment
[16:48] <dpm> sure, bug 971332
[16:55] <dpm> you realize you've been doing too much multitasking when at the end of the day you see a draft e-mail reply you started writing first time in the morning...
[16:55] <dpm> so after sending it means...
[16:56] <dpm> time to call it a day.
[16:56] <dpm> see you all tomorrow!
[16:56] <andrejz_> see you tommorow


[07:09] <RikMills> I got this startup crash with krita on your iso https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=419947
[07:09] <RikMills> I will try to fix that later
[13:57] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: I wonder if it would help to add an "active timezone" to the irc title for #ubuntustudio
[14:12] <OvenWerks> or an auto respond bot during the 0000hours to 0600hours PST
[15:31] <RikMills> plasma 5.18.5 is all in release pocket
[16:20] <Eickmeyer> RikMills: Thanks!
[16:20] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Yeah, not a bad idea.
[16:49]  * Eickmeyer throws a bag of salt at @teward001
[16:51] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: ardour 6.0 is hoping to release may 15... rc2 by the end of the week.
[16:51] <Eickmeyer> Oooooo!
[16:51] <Eickmeyer> Hopefully Debian picks it up so I don't have to do anything but make a PPA and upload.
[16:52] <OvenWerks> so while I am working on some things to add, I won't merge them till after release to be in 6.1
[16:52] <Eickmeyer> Looks like trebmuh has been at work there.
[16:53] <Eickmeyer> trebmuh: I assume you've been following Ardour 6.0?
[16:53] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: the intention is to release a new 6.* every two months until work on 7.0 takes over
[16:53] <Eickmeyer> Oh cool!
[16:53] <Eickmeyer> Better release cadence then.
[16:54] <OvenWerks> cadence?
[16:54] <Eickmeyer> Not the application cadence, the cadence of releases. :P
[16:54] <OvenWerks> I thought that was depricated
[16:54] <OvenWerks> Ah
[16:55] <Eickmeyer> I don't think Cadence (capital C) is depricated, just in maintenance mode, afaict.
[16:56] <OvenWerks> perhaps on paper, but I don't think there is any mainenance going on...
[16:59] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: how far is pipewire along?
[17:00] <Eickmeyer> Not sure, i need to play with it. I've been concentrating on the Plasma transition, which is tough when our ISO fails to build. I had to temporarily remove inkscape and openshot to get the builds working again.
[17:00] <OvenWerks> I know the API has been frozen for about 4 releases now. Are any of the distros including it
[17:01] <Eickmeyer> Fedora has Pipewire by default included, but not enabled.
[17:01] <OvenWerks> can it just be installed without wide spread changes?
[17:02] <Eickmeyer> It can, and it also installs a script that needs to be executed to "turn it on" as it were.
[17:02] <OvenWerks> I know it can run "beside" jack, can it do the same with pulse?
[17:03] <Eickmeyer> Not yet, afaik.


[10:02] <doko> vil: just ask
[10:02] <vil> hi doko
[10:03] <vil> yesterday someone asked me to upload a merge
[10:03] <vil> I was not sure about the changelog so I wanted to ask
[10:03] <vil> it was reportbug package
[10:04] <vil> this one seems to be in ubuntu for ages and the older versions contained a lot of -ubuntu1 records in the changelog
[10:04] <vil> however the one the guy presented me contained only a few
[10:05] <vil> so someone omitted that
[10:08] <vil> you could see that here http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/r/reportbug/reportbug_3.37ubuntu1/changelog
[10:08] <vil> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/r/reportbug/reportbug_3.31ubuntu1/changelog
[10:09] <vil> so I wanted to ask if we care about that or if it is acceptable to forget the ubuntu records
[11:34] <vil> doko, any idea about the above?
[11:36] <doko> vil: well, you should keep the records (and answer general questions on that on #ubuntu-motu maybe)
[11:47] <vil> ok thx