[09:11] <DanaG> Argh! Stupid appmenu keeps crashing Firefox every second time I try to download a file!
[09:11] <DanaG>    from /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/menuproxies/libappmenu.so
[09:11] <DanaG> Download file.  It works.  Download another file: crash.
[09:12] <DanaG> Restart firefox.  Try to download that second file again... it works.
[09:12] <DanaG> Download a third file... crash.
[09:29] <DanaG> Fixed it by removing appmenu-gtk.
[09:29] <DanaG> Still doesn't follow 301, though!
[13:56] <bobby> FF4 is still crashing at startup :(
[17:25] <chrisccoulson> micahg - do you think we need the transitional xulrunner-1.9.3* packages in xulrunner-2.0? shouldn't we just rely on applications to pull in the new version by depending on it?
[17:26] <micahg> chrisccoulson: yeah, we don't need them anymore, that was more for the FF4 transition
[17:26] <chrisccoulson> micahg - cool, i'll drop those then
[17:26] <chrisccoulson> i think i've finished making changes to lp:firefox now
[17:28] <micahg> chrisccoulson: BTW, I pushed tb to my PPA and it still doesn't work (installing), I'll try without the apt-pinning later tonight
[17:28] <chrisccoulson> oh, is that for the TB locales?
[17:29] <chrisccoulson> i'm still unsure about what we're going to do with thunderbird for pre-lucid releases
[17:32] <micahg> chrisccoulson: yeah, TB+locales
[17:32] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I thought we were going to migrate to 3.1.2 once MOzilla does their major update
[17:32] <chrisccoulson> micahg - on all releases?
[17:32] <micahg> chrisccoulson: that's what I thought we discussed, maybe that was just what upstream proposed and we never agreed on it
[17:33] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i think upstream proposed that IIRC
[17:33] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, what do you think?
[17:34] <chrisccoulson> micahg - did you look in to how much work would be involved to support TB2.0.0.x by backporting security fixes?
[17:34] <micahg> maybe we should wait for 3.1.3 in case there are issues with the major update
[17:35] <micahg> chrisccoulson: well, I tried, but the problem is that upstream doesn't publish the patches they use for security issues
[17:35] <jdstrand> it was my understanding that we will be required to move to a supported version of tbird when they no longer officially support what we have
[17:35] <jdstrand> I was not in on the decision process for tbird though
[17:35] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, yeah, we can do that, but we haven't made a decision just yet
[17:36] <jdstrand> (I kinda viewed the firefox transition as the 'mozilla transition', but may have read to omuch into it)
[17:36] <micahg> chrisccoulson: also they said it would be difficult
[17:36] <chrisccoulson> i think asac suggested backporting security fixes, but it seems like that's going to be more work to do that
[17:36] <jdstrand> I do know that if migrating, 2.0 should go to 3.1 due to some migration fixes that 3.0 caused... other than that, I don't have an opinion
[17:36] <chrisccoulson> especially seeing as we'll be doing it for 1 more year ;)
[17:37] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, yeah, mozilla are only upgrading 2.0 users to 3.1
[17:37] <micahg> chrisccoulson: yeah, he did, but I don't even know what exactly qualifies as major enough
[17:37] <jdstrand> I would probably prefer just to backport the fixes, but as I'm not the one doing the updates, I probably shouldn't get a vote :)
[17:37] <micahg> chrisccoulson: they're also planning on pushing 3.0.x to 3.1.x and EOLing that too
[17:38] <jdstrand> but to backport, we need someone to have full access to the security bugs, like asac did
[17:38] <chrisccoulson> micahg - yeah, we should get the lucid update ready as well. i can help out with that if you need me to
[17:38] <jdstrand> mozilla doesn't like to give that out to just anyway, so it would probably need to be just our mozilla maintainer (ie chrisccoulson)
[17:38] <jdstrand> s/anyway/anyone/
[17:39] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i'm not sure who to ask about that. perhaps asac would be able to help ;)
[17:39] <micahg> chrisccoulson: it shouldn't be hard, but I think we should wait for 3.1.3 for Lucid in case there are issues
[17:40] <chrisccoulson> micahg - i don't mind too much, but i think we should at least aim to get it in to the PPA asap, so we can fix our own problems with the packaging too
[17:40] <chrisccoulson> we can still hold off until 3.1.3 to publish the update
[17:40] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k, as soon as I have it in Maverick, we'll need to publish tb-locales and enigmail as well
[17:40] <chrisccoulson> cool, thanks
[17:41] <chrisccoulson> there aren't many TB extensions in lucid are there?
[17:41] <chrisccoulson> i'll try and build a list in a minute
[17:41] <micahg> just 1 I think, the bugmail extension
[17:42] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i think we dropped most of them because they depended on icedove
[17:42] <chrisccoulson> which was probably a good idea ;)
[18:24] <chrisccoulson> micahg - i just got an ACK on the translation merge request, so i'll merge it now
[18:25] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k, there are 2 others in bugs, 1 for vietnamese and 1 for chinese if you're doing a FF upload, I'll take care of the TB chinese one
[18:27] <chrisccoulson> micahg - sure, no problem
[18:33] <DanaG> Hmm, I wonder why my Firefox still fails at handling "moved permanently".
[18:38] <DanaG> Also odd: it's not broken in safe-mode.
[18:38] <DanaG> YEt, it IS broken in normal mode with all addons disabled!
[19:24] <micahg> chrisccoulson: BTW, I'm testing the update 3.0.x to 3.1.x in Lucid, so we'll get double test coverage on that
[19:25] <chrisccoulson> micahg - cool, that's good
[19:27] <chrisccoulson> micahg - do you know why we use a versioned directory for firefox installs? i'm trying to think of how we can stop firefox breaking during upgrades
[19:27] <micahg> chrisccoulson: that's the way upstream does it AFAIK, let me find the bug where we were thinking to work around it
[19:28] <chrisccoulson> micahg - that would be useful. i see that debian use a non-versioned directory for their iceweasel package
[19:31] <micahg> can't find the bug, the idea was that we have a firefox-real which is a symlink to the proper binary, but I don't remember how that helped
[22:43] <chrisccoulson> micahg - ok, it is just bugmail and enigmail that we need to update in lucid
[22:50] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k
[22:52] <micahg> chrisccoulson: problem is enigmail won't work w/seamonkey
[22:53] <micahg> and neither will lightning when I make it
[22:53] <chrisccoulson> i'm not concerned about lightning, seeing as we don't ship it at all in lucid right now
[22:53] <chrisccoulson> enigmail is more of a problem, but the priority is making sure it carries on working in thunderbird
[22:54] <chrisccoulson> if it stops working in seamonkey, then we can probably release note that
[22:55] <chrisccoulson> will it work again in SM2.1?
[22:55] <micahg> chrisccoulson: the next version should, SM2.1, FF4.0, and TB3.3(?4.0) will be based on xul-2.0
[23:29] <BUGabundo> http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=50678 fixed in chromium so HTML5 is back
[23:34] <bobby> When's the next FF4 update?
[23:35] <micahg> bobby: works as of last night
[23:35] <micahg> another 7-8 hrs
[23:35] <micahg> bobby: what chipset?
[23:35] <micahg> lpia will be tonight
[23:35] <bobby> No clue, all I know is that it crashes on startup.
[23:36] <micahg> bobby: what version do you have?
[23:36] <bobby> FF? 4.0b4pre... Last nights build
[23:36] <micahg> bobby: you have the full version?
[23:36] <bobby> Yup
[23:38] <micahg> bobby: ?
[23:38] <bobby> I have no idea, it starts up, and before I see my homepage, it just crashes.
[23:38] <micahg> bobby: dpkg -l | grep firefox-4.0
[23:39] <chrisccoulson> bobby, have you tried getting a backtrace? or starting with a fresh profile?
[23:39] <micahg> chrisccoulson: my guess is that it's an old version
[23:39] <bobby> Well, I un-installed it last night, along with XULrunner 2.0
[23:39] <bobby> Here:
[23:39] <bobby> ii  firefox-4.0                           4.0~b4~hg20100809r49183+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1  safe and easy web browser from Mozilla
[23:39] <bobby> ii  firefox-4.0-branding                  4.0~b4~hg20100809r49183+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1  Package that ships the firefox branding
[23:39] <bobby> ii  firefox-4.0-gnome-support             4.0~b4~hg20100809r49183+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1  Support for GNOME in Mozilla Firefox
[23:40] <micahg> it's maverick :P
[23:40] <bobby> And, what's wrong with maverick? Didn't work in Lucid either...
[23:40] <micahg> bobby: wfm in lucid
[23:40] <bobby> Well, I upgraded on... Friday, and it didn't work before I upgraded
[23:40] <micahg> appmenu seems to be breaking maverick from what I've seen
[23:40] <chrisccoulson> could you get a backtrace bobby? else, there's not much anybody can do
[23:40] <micahg> but chrisccoulson would know better
[23:41] <chrisccoulson> yeah, appmenu-gtk still causes us a problem in FF4.0
[23:41] <micahg> the only think I know that's wrong with the current dailies is lpia
[23:41] <micahg> and that's fix committed
[23:41] <bobby> ah too bad... I can give you the crash report info If you need
[23:41] <chrisccoulson> bobby - a backtrace please, there's not much we can do with the crash report info
[23:42] <micahg> chrisccoulson: it's not pushing crashes up to mozilla yet?
[23:42] <bobby> No it is
[23:42] <chrisccoulson> micahg - it's enabled, but there are no symbols on the server yet for various reasons
[23:43] <micahg> chrisccoulson: understood :)
[23:43] <chrisccoulson> 1 being that i can't get SSH access from the datacenter, so i'm blocked on a RT with our IS dept
[23:43] <chrisccoulson> and 2 being that the SSH key from my laptop no longer works ;)
[23:43] <chrisccoulson> and the person i need to speak to at mozilla hasn't been around today :/
[23:43] <chrisccoulson> so, i'm a bit stuck


[03:25] <mup> PR snapd#13350 opened: cmd/snapd-apparmor: add support for incus (LP: #2042512) <Created by alexmurray> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13350>
[08:11] <mup> PR snapd#13349 closed: release/2.60: sync with latest bugfix for ubuntu mantic <Squash-merge> <Needs Samuele review> <Skip spread> <Created by ernestl> <Closed by ernestl> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13349>
[12:46] <mup> PR snapd#13347 closed: overlord/snapstate: enable single-reboot for gadget <Created by Meulengracht> <Merged by Meulengracht> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13347>
[14:32] <mup> PR snapcraft#4422 closed: [DRAFT] ci: improve linter output in github actions <Created by mr-cal> <Closed by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4422>
[14:32] <mup> PR snapcraft#4435 opened: ci: colorize tox and collapse sections <Created by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4435>
[15:02] <mup> PR snapd#13346 closed: aspects: map types must have constraints <aspects> <Created by MiguelPires> <Merged by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13346>
[20:40] <dust> snapd.failure.service is a disabled or a static unit not running, not starting it.
[20:40] <dust> snapd.snap-repair.service is a disabled or a static unit not running, not starting it.
[20:40] <dust> Failed to restart snapd.mounts-pre.target: Operation refused, unit snapd.mounts-pre.target may be requested by dependency only (it is configured to refuse manual start/stop).
[20:40] <dust> See system logs and 'systemctl status snapd.mounts-pre.target' for details.
[20:40] <dust> Could not execute systemctl:  at /usr/bin/deb-systemd-invoke line 145.
[20:40] <dust> at ubuntu 23.10


[07:01] <trijntje> Hi all, I have a question about ubuntu-default-image. I've followed the guide on the wiki, and I was hoping it would spit out an .iso when it was done.
[07:01] <trijntje> Instead it creates a folder named casper which seems to contain the files that usually are on the live cd, but can someone tell me how to get an iso out of that?


[03:01] <rick_h_> sshhhhh
[03:05] <jrwren> QUIET!
[03:07] <rick_h_> fine, be that way
[12:28] <tony-smlr> SMLR is Live (1/18/2014) Video http://youtu.be/tCvR7tlnjHc - Audio http://live.smlr.us:8000/streaming
[12:42] <tony-smlr> We are chatting on #smlr


[00:10] <ubotu> New bug: #179312 in easycrypt (universe) "EasyCrypt uses the command Truecrypt -p" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179312
[00:16] <ubotu> New bug: #179313 in pidgin (main) "Pidgin can't remove ICQ user from my contact list." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179313
[00:16] <khermans> i think one of the ubuntu vmware images is b0rked
[00:16] <khermans> http://isv-image.ubuntu.com/vmware/Ubuntu-7.10-server-i386.zip
[00:16] <khermans> is this known/
[00:23] <hggdh> khermans: did you search on LP?
[00:24] <khermans> hggdh, lemme check
[00:28] <khermans> hggdh, it is not there -- but this is not a package bug
[00:28] <khermans> hggdh, this is a release bug
[00:28] <hggdh> yes, just noticed its not a package, sorry
[00:29] <khermans> hggdh, so how to fix it/
[00:29] <hggdh> what is wrong there?
[00:29] <khermans> hggdh, the vmx is configured as 64-bitm but it is 32-bit
[00:29] <hggdh> ugh
[00:29] <khermans> yeah, so it causes errors on boot up
[00:30] <khermans> i can fix it, but who is in charge of handling and uploading the fixed version/
[00:30] <hggdh> that's a good question... I do not know... perhaps the kernel folks
[00:30] <khermans> hrmm
[00:32] <khermans> no one responded in ubuntu-dev either
[00:35] <ubotu> New bug: #179317 in gnome-panel (main) "gnome-panel crashed with SIGSEGV in g_slist_remove()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179317
[00:36] <Kmos> khermans: try to subscribe ubuntu-release team
[00:37] <khermans> Kmos, will try
[01:06] <ubotu> New bug: #179318 in smplayer (multiverse) "package smplayer-translations 0.5.62-0ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/smplayer/translations/smplayer_bg.qm', which is also in package smplayer" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179318
[01:20] <ubotu> New bug: #179320 in libprojectm (universe) "Please sync with libprojectm 1.01-3 in Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179320
[01:22] <ubotu> New bug: #179321 in ubuntu "Beryl Crashed. Don't install beryl's manager (dup-of: 129146)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179321
[01:25] <ubotu> New bug: #179323 in gnome-power-manager (main) "g-p-m starts ignoring the sleep key after a while" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179323
[01:26] <ubotu> New bug: #179322 in software-properties (main) "apt-cdrom doesn't add CD/DVD to repo list" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179322
[01:45] <ubotu> New bug: #179324 in easycrypt (universe) "Candidate revision easycrypt_<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179324
[02:35] <ubotu> New bug: #179327 in ubuntu "Drag and drop firefox tab on to firefox titlebar causes gray box to appear" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179327
[02:46] <ubotu> New bug: #179329 in kvpnc (universe) "Manage Profiles - Racoon/FreeSwan settings not saved" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179329
[03:00] <ubotu> New bug: #179330 in gnome-terminal (main) "Resizing gnome-terminal window near impossible with metabox and compiz" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179330
[03:05] <wolfger> I have a question about closing out a bug
[03:06] <wolfger> If anybody's around
[03:10] <persia> wolfger: Just ask
[03:11] <wolfger> Bug #23422 was filed on Breezy, original reporter is now on Gutsy and has no problem. Is this "Fix Released"?
[03:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 23422 in xkeyboard-config "ca_enhanced layout does not work correctly" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/23422
[03:12] <persia> wolfger: Yes.  It would be nice if we could figure out which update of xkeyboard-config fixed it.  I suggest you check the changelog, and report the version if you can find it.  If you can't find the version, you can just say Fix Released with at least version x.xx (use the Gutsy version).
[03:12] <wolfger> ok
[03:12] <wolfger> thanks
[03:26] <ubotu> New bug: #179334 in ubuntu "[hardy] pointer disappears after display in sleep" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179334
[03:31] <ubotu> New bug: #179335 in oprofile (universe) "opreport doesn't run: should link libbfd statically" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179335
[03:46] <ubotu> New bug: #179336 in ubuntu "Hardy alpha 2 CD won't install" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179336
[04:05] <ubotu> New bug: #179338 in synaptic (main) "SYNAPTIC "told me" to report a fault (it reported "could not calculate upgrade".  If you want the files in var/dist-log/upgrade/  I can email them if you have not already received them automatically, regards, Louis Gidney." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179338
[07:15] <ubotu> New bug: #179351 in gnome-terminal (main) "Trying to restore MBR after repair of windows" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179351
[09:05] <ubotu> New bug: #179353 in tracker (main) "[Hardy] Tracker and Deskbar icons very similar - warning" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179353
[09:26] <ubotu> New bug: #179352 in torus-trooper (universe) "Needs Icon" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179352
[09:26] <ubotu> New bug: #179354 in update-manager (main) "It says it checks for updates but it doesn't" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179354
[10:35] <ubotu> New bug: #179358 in ubuntu "software updaters don't warn if no repositories are enabled" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179358
[10:40] <ubotu> New bug: #179359 in gobby (main) "Open dialog lacks mounted directories" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179359
[10:40] <ubotu> New bug: #179360 in kdepim (main) "akregator crashed with sigsev" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179360
[11:51] <ubotu> New bug: #179362 in update-manager (main) "version-update crashes cause of portaudio0" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179362
[11:55] <ubotu> New bug: #179363 in sun-java6 (multiverse) "Neither sun-java6-sdk nor sun-java6-jre provide links to java javac, etc in /usr/bin" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179363
[12:05] <ubotu> New bug: #179364 in firefox (main) "google" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179364
[12:56] <ubotu> New bug: #179370 in hplip (main) "hp-logo.xpm missing from package" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179370
[13:00] <ubotu> New bug: #179371 in openoffice.org (main) "OpenOffice can't be launched in hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179371
[13:11] <ubotu> New bug: #179374 in camorama (universe) "Gutsy doesn't shut down with Camorama" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179374
[13:26] <ubotu> New bug: #179377 in ubuntu "System locks with Gnome login after the system update" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179377
[13:50] <ubotu> New bug: #179379 in gedit (main) "gedit taglists should be user specific" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179379
[14:22] <ubotu> New bug: #179382 in update-manager (main) "package update-manager 1:0.81 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: SystemError in cache.commit(): E:Sub-process /tmp/tmpvcD8BA/backports/usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179382
[14:22] <ubotu> New bug: #179383 in cuetools (universe) "cueconvert creates invalid cue from toc" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179383
[14:22] <ubotu> New bug: #179384 in gphpedit (universe) "Please sync gphpedit 0.9.91-5 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179384
[14:23] <ubotu> New bug: #179380 in tracker (main) "Tracker retrieves no result" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179380
[14:28] <Varan> Is there a bug for standby/hibernate not working in hardy alpha 2? I upgraded my ubuntu to hardy alpha 2 when it didn't work in 7.10. But it still doesn't seem to work. Couldn't find any bugs on lauchpad for hardy
[14:29] <ubotu> New bug: #179386 in oooqs2-kde (universe) "OpenOffice Apps Start in Wrong User Context" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179386
[14:32] <ubotu> New bug: #179387 in ubuntu "update manager failure" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179387
[14:35] <ubotu> New bug: #179388 in oooqs2-kde (universe) "OpenOffice Quickstart Thrashes with Multiple User Contexts" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179388
[14:43] <ubotu> New bug: #179389 in ubuntu "Kubuntu's log-in is not user friendly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179389
[14:51] <ubotu> New bug: #179391 in evolution (main) "outgoing mail rejected" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179391
[14:56] <ubotu> New bug: #179392 in ubuntu "Please sync libxstream-java 1.2.2-1  (universe) from Debian unstable (contrib )" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179392
[15:06] <ubotu> New bug: #179394 in ubuntu "firefox prints only visible portion of image" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179394
[15:14] <ubotu> New bug: #179395 in tomboy (main) "tomboy can't be installed after update" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179395
[15:21] <ubotu> New bug: #179397 in kdebase (main) "kate/kwrite *always* crash on a fresh installation" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179397
[15:30] <ubotu> New bug: #179400 in gnome-system-tools (main) "[Hardy]you cannot change the settings in Services" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179400
[16:06] <ubotu> New bug: #179403 in firefox (main) "there is no "preference" option in the "tools" menu of firefox" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179403
[16:21] <ubotu> New bug: #179404 in gdecrypt (universe) "new upstream version available" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179404
[16:42] <ubotu> New bug: #179405 in hostname (main) "Changing hostname breaks X" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179405
[17:20] <ubotu> New bug: #179407 in kubuntu-meta (main) "kubuntu-desktop should recommend ubufox" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179407
[17:30] <ubotu> New bug: #179408 in gedit (main) "Syntax highlighting has problems with HTML <script>-Tag" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179408
[17:41] <ubotu> New bug: #179409 in python-defaults (main) "python should handle escape sequences in interactive mode" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179409
[17:51] <ubotu> New bug: #179411 in casper (main) "broken option parsing in casper-snapshot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179411
[17:51] <ubotu> New bug: #179412 in update-manager (main) "package update-manager 1:0.81.1 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: SystemError in cache.commit(): E:Sub-process /tmp/tmpD8gISw/backports/usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1), E:Sub-process /tmp/tmpD8gISw/backports/usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179412
[17:51] <ubotu> New bug: #179413 in meta-gnome2 (universe) "Group Properties Window Doesn't Show Group Members" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179413
[17:56] <ubotu> New bug: #179415 in gnome-games (main) "package gnome-games 1:2.18.1-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179415
[18:05] <ubotu> New bug: #179416 in ubuntu "can't type anything in dictionary toolbar, only paste" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179416
[18:15] <ubotu> New bug: #179417 in pan (main) "Viewing large images broken" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179417
[18:25] <ubotu> New bug: #179418 in kdepim (main) "akregator.desktop has wrong character encoding" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179418
[18:35] <ubotu> New bug: #179420 in apt-file (universe) "tries to fetch URLs which yield 404 Not Found" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179420
[18:35] <ubotu> New bug: #179422 in gnome-system-monitor (main) "System hangs during boot up" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179422
[18:41] <ubotu> New bug: #179319 in evolution-data-server (main) "evolution-data-server crash (dup-of: 179132)" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179319
[18:46] <ubotu> New bug: #179423 in ubuntu "linux backdoor" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179423
[18:51] <crimsun> um.
[19:07] <ubotu> New bug: #179424 in firefox (main) "Firefox crashes when I try to access the printer." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179424
[19:31] <ubotu> New bug: #179427 in ubuntu "hardy daily-live 20071230 wont boot on powerpc" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179427
[19:41] <ubotu> New bug: #179429 in compiz (main) "compiz makes menus invisible" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179429
[19:55] <ubotu> New bug: #179432 in xsp (universe) "Installation of package mono-apache-server hangs in endless loop" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179432
[20:21] <ubotu> New bug: #179436 in ubuntu "Can't select multiple files or folders on desktop with left click " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179436
[20:21] <ubotu> New bug: #179438 in ubuntu "Green dotted grid at video playback, many players, w/ compiz" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179438
[20:21] <ubotu> New bug: #179439 in gnome-media (main) "Wrong default audio device on Lenovo R61" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179439
[20:21] <ubotu> New bug: #179440 in libnss-ldap (main) "Feature request - Enable Kerberos keytab handling" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179440
[20:24] <ubotu> New bug: #179435 in smartmontools (main) "smartmontools fails to recognize ATA standard of newish disk" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179435
[21:16] <ubotu> New bug: #179447 in tomcat5.5 (universe) "[hardy] Installation of tomcat5.5 fails if sun-java-jdk is not installed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179447
[21:25] <ubotu> New bug: #179450 in kdebase (main) "gtk-qt-engine doesn't work anymore" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179450
[21:30] <ubotu> New bug: #179451 in acpi-support (main) "isAnyWirelessPoweredOn assumes deprecated device/power/state" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179451
[21:56] <ubotu> New bug: #179455 in linux-meta (main) "kernel oops while removing ath_pci on hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179455
[22:01] <ubotu> New bug: #179456 in mixmaster (universe) "mixmaster-update can't fetch files" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179456
[22:01] <ubotu> New bug: #179457 in ubuntu "Dutch "standard" keyboard does not exist" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179457
[22:01] <ubotu> New bug: #179458 in mono (main) "Bug in Mono's implementation of System.Data.Common.DbTransaction.Dispose() " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179458
[22:15] <ubotu> New bug: #179460 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 (main) "package linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-2-generic None failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179460
[22:26] <ubotu> New bug: #179461 in ubuntu "totem does not playback properly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179461
[22:36] <ubotu> New bug: #179464 in debian-installer (main) "hardy install fails powerpc, no kernel modules found" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179464
[23:26] <ubotu> New bug: #179467 in compiz (main) "Unable to logout from compiz-gnome session" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179467


[14:03] <cyphermox> infinity: for some reason I can' t seem to succesfully build the RAID arrays now, mdadm keeps warning about the metadata format which breaks bringing up the array.
[14:03] <cyphermox> I haven't found what changed yet.


[00:06] <IlikeMoose> does launchpad email you with a bug number if you are submitting a new bug?
[00:10] <wgrant> IlikeMoose: You should get an email within a few minutes, unless you haven't got the "Send me bug notifications for changes I make" option on https://launchpad.net/~/+edit selected.
[00:22] <IlikeMoose> wgrant: thanks, i tried submitting the same bug several times but it seems launchpad wouldn't even accept the bug unless I had that checked.
[00:22] <IlikeMoose> after i checked that box it accepted the bug and didn't give me a duplicate bug report
[00:26] <wgrant> IlikeMoose: That doesn't affect whether or not the bug is accepted. It just controls notifications.
[00:28] <IlikeMoose> wgrant: if you submit the same bug it sends a duplicate bug submission email correct?
[00:28] <wgrant> IlikeMoose: What do you mean by duplicate bug submission email?
[00:29] <IlikeMoose> i submitted a bug a few days ago and i got a reply back from launchpad saying something about a "duplicate bug being filed" and that my bug submission was rejected
[00:29] <IlikeMoose> i got an automatic email
[00:31] <wgrant> Launchpad doesn't send emails like that itself. Was it an Ubuntu bug? Ubuntu runs various bots over their bugs to automatically detect and mark duplicates.
[00:31] <wgrant> It sounds like your bugs were filed successfully.
[00:31] <wgrant> What's your Launchpad username?
[00:32] <IlikeMoose> mike-destein-1977
[00:33] <wgrant> You've filed 6 bugs
[00:33] <IlikeMoose> uh-oh
[00:33] <wgrant> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~mike-destein-1977
[00:33] <IlikeMoose> any way to cancel bug submissions ?
[00:33] <wgrant> Why'd you file through the email interface, rather than the web UI or Ubuntu's usual bug filing mechanisms?
[00:34] <IlikeMoose> email was the first way i found
[00:34] <wgrant> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu has a "Report a bug" link which takes you to a page detailing the various ways.
[00:35] <wgrant> I'll mark the bugs as duplicates of the first one
[00:35] <IlikeMoose> yeah thanks....my bad i'll try the web interface next time
[00:36] <wgrant> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~mike-destein-1977 looks a bit nicer now
[00:37] <IlikeMoose> nice thanks
[00:41] <IlikeMoose> i'll try not to be so hasty on the send button next time
[07:54] <ScottK> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/parley/4:4.9.0-0ubuntu1/+build/3695883 <--- has been stuck unpacking chroot for 4 hours.  It needs to be taken out and shot ...
[07:56] <wgrant> webops: Can you look at that stuck panda build, please? ^^
[07:56] <mthaddon> checking
[08:11] <mthaddon> I don't seem to be able to login to it - might need kicking
[09:12] <ttx> Elaborate spam: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1032516
[09:12] <ttx> Reuses a closed answer, and pads with links
[09:16] <czajkowski> removed the link
[09:17] <ttx> czajkowski: nice, that should solve it :) Thanks
[09:17] <czajkowski> np
[09:17] <ttx> these guys are getting smarter. Took me 5 min to prove wrong :)
[09:25] <crass> any ideas what's wrong with this build? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/111794033/buildlog.txt.gz
[09:26] <crass> it looks like missing dependencies, but they should all be there
[09:32] <geser> crass: you are building for oneiric and python-messaging only exist in precise (and later). or do you have it in your PPA too (backport)?
[09:33] <crass> yes, it looks like its there: https://code.launchpad.net/~crass/+archive/v-mobile-broadband
[09:37] <geser> how old it this build log?
[09:37] <wgrant> crass: That build started just a very few minutes after python-messaging finished building
[09:37] <wgrant> crass: It probably wasn't published yet.
[09:40] <geser> wgrant: could someone set the clock on that buildd? checking when the build started from the log with an offset of -113970.257299 sec isn't fun
[09:41] <wgrant> geser: It's not quite that easy, as I believe the saved VM memory image would include the clock. That's part of the reason NTP is run on startup.
[09:42] <crass> thanks wgrant, I'll rebuild it and see
[09:42] <wgrant> Although that time is oddly close, so maybe not.
[09:43] <wgrant> Also it's in the wrong direction.
[09:43] <wgrant> So who knows.
[09:43] <wgrant> sbuild writes convenient timestamps, but build-recipe does not :(
[09:47] <geser> it would even help when the the current time after setting the clock would get logged once
[13:07] <ScottK> mthaddon and/or wgrant: Still stuck (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/parley/4:4.9.0-0ubuntu1/+build/3695883)
[13:49] <mdeslaur> Is there a bug open for hitting timeouts when attempting to nominate to releases?
[13:49] <mdeslaur> ie: OOPS-2da8002c673ce15e4b33b96b47be73fc
[13:50] <czajkowski> ping webops can you look at ScottK issue again please
[13:54] <wgrant> mdeslaur: Bug #874250. Try targetting not all of the series at once.
[13:56] <mdeslaur> wgrant: thanks
[13:56] <wgrant> It appears to have created 4 of the 5 before it timed out
[14:44] <agateau> hi, I'd like to get a bzr branch moved from one project to another. Can anyone with enough power do it for me? It seems I am not allowed to do that.
[14:52] <czajkowski> agateau: what do you mean ?
[14:54] <agateau> czajkowski: I have a Launchpad branch which is an import of a git repository. It is in lp:~cyberspace/sal-qml/trunk, I'd like it to be lp:~cyberspace/homerun/trunk
[14:55] <czajkowski> jelmer: is this possible
[14:58] <dobey> agateau: just delete the one, and make the new one import the same git repo
[14:59] <czajkowski> dobey: did you resolve your issue from yesterday ?
[15:00] <dobey> czajkowski: no. but i'm on a call right now, so will have to deal with it after that/lunch
[15:00] <agateau> dobey: oh right, can do. feels a bit like a waste though.
[15:01] <mgz> I didn't think branch moves worked, but wgrant had a method last time this came up... may not apply to imports
[15:01] <wgrant> Branch moves work, but you have to use the API
[15:01] <wgrant> Imports should work the same as any other branch
[15:02] <czajkowski> dobey: catch wgrant before he sleeps ;)
[15:03] <mgz> agateau: so, I can move that via the api for you, or you can do that yourself
[15:04] <dobey> czajkowski: maybe james_w would be a better person to ask, not sure.
[15:04] <agateau> mgz: I am not sure what "via the api" means, is it using the python lp bindings?
[15:04] <mgz> yup.
[15:05] <dobey> wgrant: maybe you would know too; lp:ubuntu/ubuntuone-control-panel is out of date, and it is not mentioned as a failure or anything on the UDD package import status page
[15:06] <agateau> mgz: is there some doc about this feature somewhere? I played once with the lp api, but that was a long time ago
[15:07] <wgrant> dobey: I'm not sure, sorry.
[15:08] <wgrant> I don't have access to the relevant machine, and its logs aren't synced where I can see them, AFAICT
[15:10] <mdeslaur> would be nice if I could look at this page without launchpad timing out: https://launchpad.net/apport/trunk
[15:11] <mgz> agateau: I'll write a little script and link it to you
[15:11] <agateau> mgz: awesome, thanks!
[15:11] <dobey> james_w: any idea about why ubuntuone-control-panel would have succeeded the package import and not actually be in the branch?
[15:22] <james_w> dobey, seems that it somehow missed that the new version was published, I've told it to try an import now
[15:22] <dobey> james_w: ah, thanks
[15:23] <dobey> james_w: is there any way i can do that myself in the future?
[15:23] <james_w> dobey, unfortunately not
[15:23] <james_w> it would have got to it eventually
[15:23] <james_w> but bzr people can trigger it
[15:23] <dobey> ok, thanks
[15:24] <james_w> dobey, it's going now, should be a few minutes and you'll see the update
[15:24] <james_w> or a failure, but hopefully not
[15:33] <dobey> james_w: it's updated now. thanks again
[15:33] <james_w> np
[15:38] <mgz> agateau: try <lp:~gz/+junk/lpmvbranch> then something like `./lpmvbranch --project=homerun lp:~cyberspace/sal-qml/trunk`
[15:38] <mgz> and I hate python-keyring more and more every day, having to retype a sodding password three times every script run is sucha huge slow down
[15:41] <wgrant> 3 times!?
[15:41] <wgrant> Also, you should use a DE with a session-wide keyring :)
[15:43] <mgz> yeah, it's buggy crap, that only gets tested with gnome keyring apparently.
[15:45] <mgz> it's safe to mess with branches on staging via the api, right?
[15:46] <agateau> mgz: thanks, trying
[15:47] <mgz> ...were it not for the fact it's returning 504 anyway...
[15:49] <mgz> hm, recipes might interfer with move
[15:52] <agateau> mgz: that failed with http://paste2.org/p/2093004
[15:58] <mgz> agateau: pull and try again, small error in that check
[15:58] <agateau> mgz: bzr says nothing to pull
[15:59] <mgz> my push was slow for some reason, it's now completed
[16:00] <agateau> mgz: now it says: http://paste2.org/p/2093029
[16:04] <mgz> agateau: please pull again (sorry, didn't want to move branches around on production so script not fully tested)
[16:05] <agateau> mgz, sure no pb
[16:06] <agateau> mgz: http://paste2.org/p/2093034
[16:07] <mgz> okay, that's more fun.
[16:08] <agateau> heh
[16:08] <mgz> it appears to have worked though.
[16:09] <mgz> location has changed.
[16:09] <agateau> mgz: oh right!
[16:10] <agateau> it even updated the recipe, nice
[16:10] <agateau> thanks a lot, mgz
[16:10] <mgz> I shall record your traceback for posterity, there's probably a way of not making lazr blow up like that
[16:10] <agateau> :)
[16:11]  * agateau mutters something about > /dev/null
[16:11] <mgz> :)
[16:28] <ScottK> czajkowski: Not sure how often I should ping, but the build is still stuck.
[16:40] <LoT> can i get a link to the pay-for-private-stuff info page for LP?
[17:40] <dobey> LordOfTime: https://launchpad.net/+tour/join-launchpad#commercial
[17:57] <czajkowski> ScottK: poking again
[17:57] <centrelink> ScottK
[17:57] <ScottK> Thanks.
[17:57] <centrelink> are you the same ScottK from webchat?
[17:58] <ScottK> Probably not.
[17:58] <centrelink> if you were, you would know
[18:00] <czajkowski> ScottK: mew is killing it now
[18:01] <ScottK> Thanks.
[18:14] <slank> ScottK: looks like it's unreachable, so I can't kill the job
[18:14] <ScottK> Nice.
[18:14] <ScottK> What next?
[18:14] <slank> ScottK: I've taken it out of rotation, but LP will just have to figure out it's dead.
[18:14] <ScottK> How long does that take?
[18:16] <slank> ScottK: checking into that
[18:16] <ScottK> Thanks.
[18:23] <slank> ScottK: looks like I got it to move. we'll see how that goes
[18:23] <slank> ScottK: it's already making progress
[18:56] <cyphermox> I'm having trouble uploading a new version of network-manager to quantal; dput says the upload is successful, but the new version never gets found by launchpad (and I don't get the confirmation email on quantal-uploads...)
[18:56] <cyphermox> any idea what could be wrong, or if someone could check on upload.ubuntu.com?
[19:04] <ScottK> Looks like it finally got built.  Thanks again.
[22:21] <jMCg> Hey folks
[22:21] <jMCg> http://dpaste.com/781016/
[22:21] <jMCg> Certificate error when doingloading stuff.
[23:44] <wgrant> jMCg: That's interesting, since the root cert has been around since 2004. I suspect your cert config is broken.
[23:44] <jMCg> wgrant: or I don't have ca-certificates installed in this chroot :-S
[23:45] <wgrant> Heh
[23:45] <wgrant> That would do it :)
[23:45] <wgrant> Yeah, it's an easy one to miss.


[01:24] <davef> Huh, where are the 64-bit builds of Raspbian for the Pi?
[01:29] <ball> It's not called Raspbian any more.
[01:32] <daftykins> hmm, packet of jaffa cakes just evaporated off my desk D:
[01:34] <daftykins> so how's everyone's first (or thereabouts) day of battle gone?
[01:37] <davef> okay I guess.. weirdness in one of our perforce clusters which we couldn't really figure out. causing p4v clients to open hundreds of connections and cause a bunch of timeouts on the cluster.
[01:57] <ball> daftykins: The nice man from Lenovo repaired a desktop PC.
[01:57] <ball> daftykins: ...and now I have to go out in the cold to put air in the tyres on my wife's car.
[01:58] <daftykins> hmm i hope those aren't connected :D
[01:58] <ball> Hah... no, unrelated.
[01:59] <ball> Ugh... -9C tonight, -15C forecast for tomorrow and -19C for Thursday.
[01:59] <ball> ddim scorchio.
[01:59] <daftykins> cor
[02:00] <ball> I'll be back in a bit, hopefully.
[02:01] <ball> Gah, I think my microSDHC card is broken
[02:04] <daftykins> called it :(
[03:22] <ball> Oh no, I'm going to have to reboot all the things.
[03:23] <daftykins> :o
[03:30] <ball> I'm glad a got a new 32 GB microSDHC card for Christmas
[03:30] <ball> ...but disappointed the other one didn't last longer.
[03:31] <daftykins> is it refusing to do anything properly now, even erase?
[03:34] <ball> I'll run some more tests on it after the new one is imaged.
[03:34] <ball> ...but it just locked up 2/3 of the way through an image write.
[03:35] <daftykins> ooh
[03:35] <ball> The activity light on the card reader stopped blinking.
[03:35] <ball> ...just to rule that out, I'll try it again with another reader.
[03:36] <daftykins> sounds good
[03:42] <ball> ...and in fairness to Ubuntu, no OS can be expected to work from a broken disk.
[03:43] <daftykins> unless 'buntu killed it to begin with logging wearing it out :O
[03:44] <daftykins> honestly i hear this tale about Pis so often
[03:46] <ball> It's not an idea choice of medium.  I do have a USB 3.0 SSD I could try.
[03:47] <ball> I'd have to juggle some files to free that up.
[05:17] <ball> Oh dear.  Black screen again.
[06:20] <zxmpi> my pi abides with the original 4gb card it came with yonks ago
[06:21] <zxmpi> first gen pi had an issue with some sd cards. you just had to choose carefully. since then they've been better.
[06:23] <ball> This is my son's Pi 400.
[06:25] <ball> I'm really sad.  I'll have to work on it more later today, after work.
[06:25] <ball> He's going to be upset.
[08:13] <knightwise> heyhey
[08:13] <knightwise> yo zxmpi
[08:33] <zxmpi> hi
[08:34] <zxmpi> all well?
[13:04] <zxmpi> completely untech related but made me laugh https://news.lettersofnote.com/p/a-string-of-unfortunate-events
[17:33] <davef> Do I want one of these Pi 400's? I'm considering putting it on my bench, to be used for a bit of Arduino tinkering and OctoPi for the 3d printer.
[17:35] <zxmpi> for a workbench that might be dusty i'd prefer a pi in a case and a tougher keyboard. i loved my pi keyboard till a toast crumb got under the p key
[17:35] <zxmpi> ymmv
[17:36] <zxmpi> plus you can upgrade the pi without tossing the keyboard
[17:38] <davef> true
[17:39] <davef> I got myself the 4GB Pi4 the other day for my home automation project.. maybe I'll get the 8GB version this time.
[17:39] <davef> I'm sure I got spare keyboard/mouse
[17:40] <waveform> a couple of things worth noting about the 400: it's currently only available in a 4GB format (no 8GB variant), but it does come with the C0 stepping of the 2711 which runs considerably cooler (and thus is more amenable to overclocking) than the B1 stepping found on the pi4. That said, newer pi4s are now apparently showing up with the C0 stepping (also found on the CM4) though I haven't personally got my hands on one of these yet
[17:41] <waveform> also worth noting: there are no CSI/DSI ports on the 400, so no camera module usage on there
[17:41] <zxmpi> can even add a wireless keyboard if space gets tight on the desk or you want to trigger something from behind your blast shield :-P
[17:42] <davef> huh, both the 8GB and 4GB versions are now out of stock
[17:42] <zxmpi> everything is out of stock and not coming back anytime soon
[17:43] <waveform> that said they're a great first computer for kids (my daughter loves hers, though this may have to do with it having "a normal keyboard, not a weird one like daddy's" ... ahem :)
[17:43] <zxmpi> get her a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space-cadet_keyboard :-D
[18:02] <daftykins> \o
[18:02] <zxmpi> hi de hi
[18:04] <daftykins> waveform: what's weird about your keyboard? :D
[18:05] <waveform> zxmpi, heh -- *all* the modifiers!
[18:05] <zxmpi> if you can't type 8000 charactes on your keyboard are you even trying to keyboard :-P
[18:07] <waveform> daftykins, it's a blank-capped ergodox running a custom firmware, so I can do silly things like type my email address(es) with a (modded) keypress
[18:07] <davef> I need that keyboard in my life
[18:07] <daftykins> hehe
[18:08] <daftykins> i enjoyed my blank das keyboard, but it drops vowels now and makes passwords impossible
[18:08] <zxmpi> those aren't cheap keyboards, what happened to it?
[18:09] <daftykins> nothing at all, though since it was new i had to employ a USB 'Y' cable as it didn't often get enough power to run from a single port
[18:10] <waveform> heh, I did have a blank das before this, but with cherry browns which were ... too quiet for me :)
[18:10] <daftykins> i think i saw some talk online of the controller boards failing by themselves
[18:10] <daftykins> ah yeah i had the blues, love them - i now have this steelseries board with reds and... whilst nicer for games, not a patch on the blues for typing
[18:12] <davef> Speaking of keyboards, what's a good one to get. I've been getting some simple Mech's from Cooler Master and Corsair, but never 100% satisfied. If I want to go uber awesome mech, where should I start?
[18:12] <zxmpi> i've always seen keyboards as very personal. what one person loves is anothers worst keyboard.
[18:13] <zxmpi> clicky v spongy
[18:13] <daftykins> so long as we can all agree on UK layout being superior to US ;D
[18:14]  * zxmpi laughs in irish :-)
[18:14] <daftykins> can't even guess what the norm would be over there
[18:14] <daftykins> double height enter and pipe, \ down by Z though, clearly the right way!
[18:15] <zxmpi> kinda a british keyboard but with support for euro
[18:15] <daftykins> did they put it on the 3, supplanting the £ - or something else?
[18:15] <zxmpi> though sometimes you'll see a us keyboard BUT with support for euro AND pound
[18:15] <davef> I'm using US layout right now
[18:15]  * daftykins shudders ;)
[18:15] <zxmpi> usually alt-gr 4 for euro but it can move sometimes
[18:16] <daftykins> oh when you said support i thought you meant an easier method, i've always gotten euro that way
[18:17] <davef> My keyboard also has the euro symbol, no idea how to use it.
[18:18] <zxmpi> if it's on the 4 key beside the $ then the right alt button AND 4 should do it software permitting
[18:18] <davef> It's on the 5 key for some reason
[18:19] <zxmpi> sounds like an american standard all right. off by one :-)
[18:20] <davef> I like clicky keys, cherry blues.. so point me in a direction and i'll start looking.. I also like the 60% size, but will also consider TKL
[18:20] <zxmpi> i think you should write down your preferences and then look for a keyboard that matches rather than just look at keyboards
[18:22] <daftykins> kind of hard for anyone here to advise somewhere that'd be useful for you over there in .ca too
[18:37] <daftykins> https://imgur.com/gallery/L2ZsRuP
[18:46] <waveform> I'd ... hesitate to suggest my ergodox. I love it and I swear by it, by in that respect it's a bit like vim: I'd never willingly foist it on someone else!
[18:46] <daftykins> hehe, those look quite space age alright
[18:47] <daftykins> my approach is often that i'm not willing to do something so unique that using anyone else's (as is common with IT work) would become a chore
[18:47] <zxmpi> greatest thing about having a weird keyboard is that it means no one will ever try and use the computer at your desk >:-)
[18:47] <waveform> That said, it would be useful in pretty much any country ... assuming that a) you're happy tweaking and flashing firmwares and b) mad enough about keyboards to actually shell out for one (https://ergodox-ez.com/ ... they're *not* cheap)
[18:52] <waveform> as for discouraging casual users of my desk: yes, it does ... unless they're 6 years old ... or a cat
[18:53] <daftykins> :D
[18:53] <daftykins> i too suffer from the problem of cat chair theft
[18:54] <zxmpi> well cats and juveniles are 'discouraged' by giving them a decoy keyboard.


 VWPL
 Any plans for making Kubuntu GUI Image available in Azure Marketplace?
[10:25] <survivor303> where kscreen is from lunar?
[10:30] <survivor303> without it, users cannot change their monitor setup via settings
[10:32] <survivor303> and i know that this is mainly for stable release but perhaps some devs hanging here too..
[11:43] <survivor303> i leave a bug report from ksceen-console crashing, there is same question, where is kscreen itself :) bugreport went to launchpad but is private for now. i dont know why it is private.
[11:48] <survivor303> with wayland i got image to my external displays but i cannot rotate or move them without kscreen.
[11:54] <arraybolt3> survivor303: By "where is kscreen", do you mean where is it in the Ubuntu repos or on the file system?
[11:54] <arraybolt3> There's a package just called "kscreen" in the Ubuntu repos.
[11:55] <arraybolt3> survivor303: Also bug reports are marked private if you check the box that marks them as a security vulnerability.
[13:40] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[15:37] <user|66> Download link Not working! Server Down.
[16:01] <mparillo> Which download link is not working?
[22:17] <survivor303> @arraybolt3  well on lunar, there aren't kscreen
[23:28] <lenovo> hallo
[23:29] <lenovo> kann jemand deutsch ?
[23:30] <lenovo> ?
[23:46] <mmikowski> FWIW: Chrome has a corruption bug with Intel graphics we have seen on lots of devices. The fix is to use chome:flags and turn on vulkan.  This appears across many kernel flavors and desktops (Unity and KDE confirmed).


[01:06] <bkerensa> can someone remind me the bzr command to generate a diff?
[01:18] <Noskcaj> bkerensa, isn't if just bzr diff?
[01:19] <Noskcaj> And add "| tee FILENAME" if you want the output in a file
[01:20] <bkerensa> Noskcaj: I just ended up doing bzr diff -r-2..-1 > ../my-super-awesome.debdiff
[01:21]  * smartboyhw thinks that debdiff is a valid command -.-
[01:21] <cjwatson> bkerensa: bzr diff -clast: (or -c-1)
[01:22] <bkerensa> cjwatson: is this better?
[01:22] <cjwatson> -r-2..-1 is irritating to type
[01:22] <cjwatson> and redundant when you can use the syntax for selecting changes introduced by a single revision instead


[06:51] <dholbach> good morning
[07:43] <davidcalle> Morning all
[09:21] <kalikiana> zsombi: got a comment https://code.launchpad.net/~zsombi/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/stylename/+merge/259928
[09:31] <mcphail> Can I put out a "call for volunteers"? I'm hoping to get Infinity Engine games running on the phone using GemRB and SDL2. If you fancy helping to get Baldur's Gate running on Ubuntu Phone, please ping me. I'll be afk for large chunks of today but will get back to you. http://themcphails.uk/bg1.png
[09:33] <timp> hello
[10:02] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: do you ever run the web browser from qtcreator ?
[10:03] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: recent commits in trunk seem to have broken the ability to run it from there
[10:04] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, no, I confess I always run it from a terminal
[10:04] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, what broke exactly?
[10:07] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: qtcreator sometimes chokes on this assignement: "readonly property var engines: ListModel { }" it thinks it is not valid QML and sometimes it won't let you run it until it is fixed. I say sometimes because reopening the project a few times seems to make it able to launch, even if it still complains. (surely a bug in qtcreator, but still)
[10:25] <zsombi> kalikiana: hmm... you had a good point. So which would you prefer? with or without extension?
[10:26] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, ok, well maybe worth filing a bug against qtcreator?
[10:26] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, in other news I just a catchup call with design, I mentioned your idea of not allowing several new blank tabs, and they said it makes sense, so feel free to file a bug and go ahead with implementation
[10:27] <oSoMoN> s/just/just had/
[10:27] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: if i manage to reproduce reliably yes. in the meantime maybe changing that line to have the ListModel defined separately would work around the issue
[10:27] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: good on the blank new tabs, will file the bug later today
[10:28] <oSoMoN> cool
[10:28] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, modifying working code just to work around a bug in QtCreator doesn’t sound right
[10:28] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: it is a change of no real importance, but i see what you mean
[10:31] <didrocks> zbenjamin: hey! I'm unsure I can debug a qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu <-> click chroot issue: I only have one kit (armhf, vivid). schroot -l confirms that. However, when I start qtcreator, I see with schroot -l --all-sessions that I have at first one click, but then 5 sessions remains opened, even after I stop qtcreator
[10:32] <didrocks> zbenjamin: of course, those chroot sessions are restarted on shutdown/restart, I wonder what do you need for debugging this?
[10:32] <didrocks> zbenjamin: I have other non click chroot for my ubuntu packaging (but the naming are differents, of course)
[10:43] <kalikiana> zsombi: assuming there's no reason to think that we go away from QML, and given that it is called "name" and not 'file' or 'filename' I'd lean towards without extension - and in fact it should fail if it's there
[10:54] <hjjh> hello
[11:20] <zsombi> kalikiana: right, that's a good point! Will add that
[11:20] <zbenjamin> didrocks: well actually there is a process called , click-chroot-agent which does create those sessions. One for each chroot
[11:20] <zbenjamin> didrocks: but they should be exited when you log out
[11:21] <zbenjamin> didrocks: hm , do you have the most recent version?
[11:21] <zbenjamin> didrocks: using the ppa?
[11:22] <didrocks> zbenjamin: yeah, I'm using the ppa
[11:22] <didrocks> zbenjamin: so, I should just have one schroot session, not 5
[11:22] <didrocks> right?
[11:23] <zbenjamin> didrocks: yeah
[11:23] <zbenjamin> didrocks: hm well
[11:24] <zbenjamin> didrocks: when starting up qtc it will check for updates in the chroot, so for some time it should be 2 sessions then but not 5
[11:24] <didrocks> zbenjamin: here is what is running, just after starting qcreator for instance: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11368991/
[11:24] <didrocks> and it stays constant
[11:24] <zbenjamin> didrocks: do you have a process called click-chroot-agent running?
[11:24] <didrocks> zbenjamin: yeah
[11:25] <didrocks> -i returns nothing
[11:25] <zbenjamin> didrocks: please do: schroot --all-sessions -e && click-chroot-agent -r
[11:25] <didrocks> sure
[11:25] <zbenjamin> then check if there are any sessions ids that contain the string "ucca"
[11:25] <zbenjamin> only then they are started by the agent
[11:26] <didrocks> ok, so there is only one, with ucca
[11:26] <didrocks> session:click-ubuntu-sdk-14.10-armhf-ucca-1000-{a6e55718-713a-4a6c-b226-96a51fe7585f}
[11:26] <zbenjamin> ok thats good. Now if you restart QtC what happens?
[11:26] <didrocks> doing
[11:26] <didrocks> letting the current agent running?
[11:26] <zbenjamin> if they come back , for some reasons you qtc does not use the agent
[11:27] <didrocks> ok, so, I have 2 of them now, waiting to see if the first stops
[11:27] <didrocks> ok, the first stopped
[11:27] <didrocks> (I guess for the update)
[11:27] <zbenjamin> yes thats the updater
[11:27] <didrocks> zbenjamin: so, maybe a race when starting the agent? Let me stop qtcreator and kill the agent
[11:27] <zbenjamin> ok now, if you compile any app in the chroot it should never spawn a new session
[11:28] <didrocks> yeah, making sense
[11:28] <didrocks> zbenjamin: interesting, the behavior is fine now
[11:29] <zbenjamin> weird ...
[11:29] <didrocks> zbenjamin: I was getting that everyday before
[11:29] <didrocks> let's see during the sdk sprint if I can get that back
[11:29] <zbenjamin> you qtc should also start faster now
[11:29] <didrocks> it does
[11:29] <kalikiana> zsombi: t1mp FYI I got a stacktrace for the tst_listitem.qml failure https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1458845 in case you have any thoughts. I'm still investigating it
[11:29] <didrocks> zbenjamin: so I wonder if it couldn't communicate with the agent before reloading it for $whatever_reason
[11:30] <zsombi> kalikiana: the listitem test failure has gone with the stylename MR of mine, at least I couldn't repro anynore
[11:30] <zbenjamin> didrocks: maybe, but the qmake script talks directly to the agent, so it only happens when qmake/make is really executed
[11:30] <zbenjamin> didrocks: they communicate over dbus
[11:31] <zsombi> kalikiana: and yes, it was the wrong animation on select/drag modes
[11:31] <didrocks> zbenjamin: waow ok, let's see once we sit in the same room if I get that again… On another note, the ucca session stays opens even after exiting qtcreator (and the agent as well), that's known, I guess?
[11:32] <didrocks> like a teardown would be good maybe when qtcreator stops, but not a priority :)
[11:32] <zbenjamin> didrocks: thats by design, it should teardown when you log out
[11:33] <zbenjamin> didrocks: prevents me from having refcounts for every qtcreator instance that is running
[11:33] <kalikiana> zsombi: oh. was it a race in calling createStylecomponent?
[11:33] <zsombi> kalikiana: yes
[11:33] <zbenjamin> didrocks: also the second start is much faster
[11:33] <didrocks> zbenjamin: ah ok, makes sense, and the schroot overread isn't that big if it really cleans it up on shutdown
[11:33] <zbenjamin> didrocks: so if you want fast qtc startups, add teh click-chroot-agent to your login script :D
[11:33] <zsombi> kalikiana: that's why I "jumped" last week onto getting this property in as that eliminates that issue :D
[11:33] <didrocks> zbenjamin: ok, will keep you posted, thanks for the feedback!
[11:33] <zbenjamin> didrocks: even if it does not clean up, it will pick up existing sessions after boot
[11:34] <zsombi> kalikiana: so, I think we can assign the bug to my branch then
[11:34] <kalikiana> zsombi: done
[11:34] <didrocks> zbenjamin: yeah, but restoring at boot isn't something that I guess everyone's want :)
[11:34] <didrocks> (imagine if all my sbuilds would do that, I would end up with hundreds of them)
[11:35] <kalikiana> zsombi: so we're cool, and "only" that other ap issue instaging left...
[11:35] <kalikiana> you wouldn't happen to have a fix for that also? :-D
[11:36] <zsombi> kalikiana: yeah... that's weird to me, I pushed few changes since I've set to Needs review, let's see what are gonna be those failures in the other runs
[11:36] <kalikiana> yeah
[11:38] <zsombi> kalikiana: It was standing by for ~2h without Jenkins picking it up... I was wondering wth is going on...
[11:39] <zbenjamin> didrocks: yeah well, thats really a schroot issue we just try to work around
[11:50] <kalikiana> zsombi: maybe it's the train update, it might have restarted some systems
[11:51] <zsombi> kalikiana: they got a new locomotive?
[11:52] <ogra_> just a new tender
[11:54] <kalikiana> lol
[12:29] <t1mp> kalikiana: I commented on https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/pushViaSsh/+merge/260113
[15:00] <nik90> rpadovani: hey, just realized that remove-branch does remove a local branch but the folder still exists in bzr-repo. Not sure why.
[15:06] <zsombi> kalikiana: I've updated the stylename MR
[15:20] <kalikiana> zsombi: looking
[15:22] <kalikiana> loicm: btw how did you make the QML in your blog post look like that? I don't see it in the UI
[15:22] <balloons> zbenjamin, thanks for the mp, I'll have a look later today and merge it
[15:22]  * kalikiana working on his long overdue blog post on API checking
[15:23] <loicm> kalikiana: I just remember that formatting was a pain
[15:23] <loicm> kalikiana: didn't manage to center images for instance
[15:24] <loicm> kalikiana: you can take a look at the entry in editing mode to see what's been used
[15:25] <kalikiana> hmmmm awesome, saving as draft all is gone...
[15:25] <kalikiana> I hope it's still there somewhere
[15:25] <kalikiana> loicm: will do that, thanks!
[15:26] <loicm> kalikiana: please don't wipe my blog post ;)
[15:27] <kalikiana> where is my draft....
[15:28] <loicm> kalikiana: there's no syntax highlighting mode for code, so I remember that I had to manually set all the keywords to bold...
[15:29] <kalikiana> seriously where's my........... draft......
[15:29] <kalikiana> listing all drafts and there's zilch in there :-(
[15:37] <zbenjamin> balloons: yw
[16:08] <ahayzen> popey, regarding bug 1457424, Victor was wondering if we want to update the old/current apps icon as well or just in the new app?
[16:13] <ahayzen> popey, ... from the perspective of the weather app (forgot to mention that)
[17:22] <mcphail> I'm experimenting with apparmor profiles. If I have an app installed and edit the .apparmor file under /opt/.../pkgid/current/blah, can I retrigger the apparmor hooks to change the confinement for the app?
[17:58] <mhall119> kenvandine: ping
[17:59] <kenvandine> mhall119, pong
[18:00] <mhall119> kenvandine: can I get a talk title from you for UbuCon?
[18:00] <mhall119> rickspencer3: ^^ from you too if you've decided on your topic
[18:01] <rickspencer3> hi mhall119
[18:01] <rickspencer3> hmmm, I've decided on the topic, not sure about the title
[18:01] <rickspencer3> thoughts?
[18:01] <ogra_> "Thoughts" is a good title :)
[18:01] <mhall119> heh
[18:01] <ogra_> very flexible :)
[18:02] <mhall119> "Ubuntu Quality, then and now"?
[18:03]  * mhall119 isn't very good at titles, tbh
[18:04] <mhall119> "All of Canonical's secrets revealed in this tell-all presentation, don't miss it!"
[18:05] <mhall119> "Windows is Awesome"
[18:18] <davmor2> rickspencer3: I'm not smitten with "I've decided on the topic, not sure about the title" it's a bit long winded....how about "no name yet"  and keep it topical :)
[18:19] <rickspencer3> lol
[18:20] <davmor2> mhall119: see that's how you do it ;)
[18:21]  * mhall119 leave it to davmor2 to organize the next UbuCon
[18:22] <rickspencer3> mhall119, so, how about Parade of Tears?
[18:23] <mhall119> rickspencer3: in an area that used to be populated by the Cherokee, that might be culturally insensitive
[18:23] <davmor2> rickspencer3: only if this is the sound track https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2kxlZDOHeQ
[18:23] <rickspencer3> not Trail of Tears lol
[18:24] <rickspencer3> mhall119, ok, so how about ...
[18:24]  * rickspencer3 ponders
[18:25] <rickspencer3> Ubuntu in Retrospect, from OSD to Snappy
[18:25] <rickspencer3> ?
[18:25] <mhall119> that sounds good to me
[18:25] <mhall119> rickspencer3: is that NotifyOSD?
[18:25] <rickspencer3> mhall119, good one, yeah
[18:26] <rickspencer3> or, Ayatana to Snappy
[18:26] <rickspencer3> how about ...
[18:26] <mhall119> more people will probably know NotifyOSD
[18:26] <rickspencer3> Ubuntu in Retrospect, from NotifyOSD to Snappy
[18:26] <mhall119> +1
[19:34] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, oh you're going to be at ubucon?  cool!
[19:34] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, yes!
[19:34] <kenvandine> mhall119, sorry, i haven't picked a topic yet... i guess i better do that asap :)
[19:35] <mhall119> kenvandine: please do, they're waiting on me to give them a schedule
[19:36] <kenvandine> mhall119, so what type of audience?  enthusiasts right?  not necessarily developers?
[19:37] <mhall119> kenvandine: yes
[19:37] <mhall119> most likely ubuntu enthusiasts, but probably some non-ubuntu people too
[19:39] <kenvandine> mhall119, i was thinking about covering application confinement
[19:39] <kenvandine> what it means to users
[19:40] <rickspencer3> mhall119, how long is my spot?
[19:40] <rickspencer3> I have 5 minutes of content, tops
[19:40] <rickspencer3> j/k
[19:41] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, man, I should cover Quickly during my retrospective, remember those days?
[19:41] <kenvandine> mhall119, not sure how interesting app confinement will be to the audience
[19:41] <rickspencer3> quickly-widgets
[19:41] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, oh yeah!
[19:41] <kenvandine> how far we've come :)
[19:41] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, if you covered "application security" in general, I think people would be interested in that
[19:42] <kenvandine> mhall119, but... i don't think users (and most developers) really know why it's important
[19:42] <mhall119> kenvandine: I think explaining how it works and why it's needed would be a very relevant topic
[19:42] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, i was mostly thinking of it as kind of a pitch, for why people should care about it
[19:42] <mhall119> especially with the coming Snappy Desktop
[19:43] <kenvandine> indeed
[19:43] <mhall119> rickspencer3: the slots are 60 minutes each
[19:43] <rickspencer3> ok
[19:43] <rickspencer3> so, if I take 5 minutes, I can do 55 minutes of Q+A
[19:43] <rickspencer3> j/k
[19:43] <mhall119> sure, if you supply your own questions :)
[19:43] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, what would  "application security" cover that isn't confinement?
[19:44] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, I dunno, like the store and how the confinement works, and how apps ask for permissions, and content sharing, etc...?
[19:44] <kenvandine> that's call confinement :)
[19:44] <kenvandine> but semantics :)
[19:45] <kenvandine> oh trust store
[19:45] <kenvandine> i guess i could cover that as well
[19:48] <kenvandine> mhall119, how about "Application Security in Ubuntu"
[19:54] <mhall119> kenvandine: works for me
[20:19] <tmash> hey all
[20:20] <tmash> is this the right channel for discussing ports and kernel issues
[20:21] <tmash> guess ubuntu-touch is the right one sorry


[08:51] <Mr_Pan> hi dudes!
[08:52] <Mr_Pan> today ski & snowboard   :D
[09:01] <Kilos> enjoy
[20:28] <Mr_Pan> Kilos, very tired ....


[00:22]  * kitofhawaii sends a hawaiian happy holidays and a merry christmas to all the ops http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV_BGqgbxdc and a huge mahalo for your help :)
[00:28] <Jack_Sparrow> Aloha Kit...
[00:28] <Amaranth> GreetingKit
[00:29] <jdong> Amaranth: is that the new GDM backend in Fedora 9?
[00:29] <Amaranth> haha
[00:30] <jdong> :D
[00:30] <Amaranth> no, that's glib+dbus+consolekit :P
[00:30] <Amaranth> everything has to use dbus
[00:52] <jrattner1> Question: I'm on port 8001, and I still can't get into #ubuntu because of the "router bug"
[00:53] <nalioth> jrattner1: stand by
[00:53] <jrattner1> nalioth, thank you
[00:53] <jrattner1> ?
[00:54] <nalioth> using your usual nick would be less confusing (no bans under jrattner1 there)
[00:54] <jrattner1> what do you mean?
[00:54] <jrattner1> this is my usual nick
[00:54] <LjL> nalioth: which is why there was a * in the ban. let me check the tracker.
[00:54] <jrattner1> oh...thanks
[00:54] <nalioth> ok, then you were using another variant that got banned, jrattner1
[00:54] <nalioth> either way, the ban is removed
[00:55] <nalioth> thanks for putting up with us
[00:55] <jrattner1> thank you
[00:55] <jrattner1> hehe
[03:35] <ardchoille> How do I know when I have access to bantracker?
[03:36] <Hobbsee> when @login returns something you can access
[03:36] <ardchoille> ok
[05:03] <NeoGeo64> hello
[05:03] <ubotu> scguy318 called the ops in #ubuntu (Acetylcholine)
[05:03] <NeoGeo64> why did i end up here
[05:03] <NeoGeo64> lol
[05:03] <NeoGeo64> i am trying to get to #Ubuntu
[05:03] <ubotu> HardDisk called the ops in #ubuntu (Acetylcholine)
[05:03] <crdlb> NeoGeo64: change your ident
[05:03] <NeoGeo64> oh
[05:03] <NeoGeo64> lol
[05:03] <NeoGeo64> why
[05:03] <NeoGeo64> i love that word
[05:03] <NeoGeo64> thats what i named my box
[05:04] <NeoGeo64> tony@****
[05:04] <NeoGeo64> ubuntu runs nice on my quad core
[05:04] <nalioth> acetylcholine took the 11 o'clock K train
[05:05] <nalioth> aha
[05:08] <NeoGeo64> ok
[05:08] <NeoGeo64> heh
[05:08] <NeoGeo64> i had to enable port fwdimng
[05:08] <NeoGeo64> to 113
[05:08] <NeoGeo64> now it shows my ident
[05:08] <NeoGeo64> instead of email
[05:14] <nalioth> NeoGeo64: no
[05:15] <nalioth> NeoGeo64: you had a rather nasty ident earlier
[05:24] <AfterDeath> nalioth: yes, but since he turned on port forwarding freenode saw his identd so his ident changed
[06:47] <Myrtti> I'm getting a funny feeling about kahrytan again
[06:48] <ompaul> it is about to happen
[06:49] <Myrtti> /me puts her emp cannon to the recharging dock
[06:51] <ompaul> fire at will
[07:21] <Gary> kahrytans LUG partner is nice though
[07:21] <ompaul> Gary, now now it is before 7:30 am
[07:22] <ompaul> or was that the nine pm watershed
[07:22] <ompaul> who knows
[07:22] <Gary> lol
[07:22] <Gary> I dunno what he looks like, but he is nice and chatty and helpful, and scared kahrytan
[07:23] <ompaul> good
[07:23] <ompaul> a wake up call is needed by some people now and again
[07:23]  * ompaul prepares to head for work
[07:24] <ompaul> back in a few
[07:36] <tomaw> work on christmas eve?  poor you.
[07:37] <Gary> it's like "a christmas carol" all over again
[07:38] <ompaul> hehe
[07:39] <ompaul> Gary, topothemornintoya
[07:39] <ompaul> :)
[10:48] <ubotu> Fujitsu called the ops in #ubuntu (MangoMentor_)
[12:17] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, rodserling said: !hate is mine
[13:01] <drarem> it seems I am banned from #ubuntu?
[13:02] <Pici> drarem: Were you forwarded to another channel?
[13:02] <drarem> i was flake anonymous,  tried /join #ubuntu, then registered as me and tried again, says i'm banned
[13:02] <Pici> drarem: actually, nevermind, hold hon.
[13:02] <Pici> er, on.
[13:04] <Pici> drarem: You came into the channel talking about usb switches and was told that it was offtopic
[13:04] <Pici> Do you remember that?
[13:04] <drarem> right, and I went to a hardware channel
[13:05] <Pici> Right, I just want you to understand that #ubuntu is for Ubuntu questions only, not hardware support.
[13:05] <Pici> Okay?
[13:05] <drarem> oh yea, I smarted off and just said that it was related to ubuntu cause that's what i was for.. yes I understand
[13:06] <Pici> drarem: Okay, you're all set.
[13:06] <drarem> thanks
[13:17] <rufus> why am i banned in #ubuntu?
[13:19] <jussi01> rufus: please be patient - someone will be along to help soon - its almost christmas and not many people are around.
[13:19]  * jussi01 elbows Pici
[13:23] <rufus> soon? i have a problem
[13:29]  * Pici arrives
[13:29] <Pici> rufus: let me take a look at the logs, hold on please.
[13:31] <rangerguy39> my nick was rangerguy39 when i was banned
[13:32] <Pici> So.. you know why you were banned?
[13:32] <rangerguy39> no
[13:33] <Pici> Okay, sorry for the wait, the one log wasn't active when you were banned, checking another source
[13:38] <rangerguy39> okay
[13:39] <Pici> hm..  I see the ban... but not a reason why.
[13:39] <Pici> LjL: ping.
[13:42] <rangerguy39> so, will i be unbanned?
[13:42] <Pici> rangerguy39: not until I can talk with the op that banned you, sorry.
[14:01] <rangerguy39> finished?
[14:03] <Pici> rangerguy39: Most likely away due to holiday stuff...
[14:03] <rangerguy39> okay, thanks anyway
[14:03] <Pici> rangerguy39: But since I dont see anything in the log, I will at least temporarily unban you.
[14:04] <Pici> rangerguy39: And then speak to the op about it...
[14:06] <rangerguy39> which op
[14:06] <Pici> rangerguy39: LjL
[14:06] <rangerguy39> okay, thanks
[14:14] <Myrtti> Hyvää joulua!
[14:15] <Pici> Feliz Navidad?
[14:15] <psleigha2> oh me and my naughty nickspam
[14:19] <LjL> !test | ljl
[14:20] <Pici> LjL: Afternoon, have a few?
[14:20] <LjL> rangerguy39: yesterday you had a script that replied to ! commands. it seems to be turned off now - make sure it remains so
[14:20] <LjL> Pici: yeah
[14:20] <LjL> god jul to you too
[14:20] <Pici> Oh, was going to ask you about that, I didnt see anything important in my logs, and ubotu didnt catch it.
[14:20] <LjL> Pici: yeah, i mentioned it in here, but the bantracker missed it
[14:21] <Pici> Ah.
[14:21] <LjL> anyone wants to hear me sing in swedish? :P i decided to be annoying to my neighbors today.
[14:22] <LjL> no attack yesterday night... losers, i've stayed awake waiting for them and they didn't come
[14:27] <Gary> aww poor LjL
[14:28] <Myrtti> morsgrisar är vi allihopa, allihopa, allihopa...
[14:29] <Myrtti> morsgrisar är vi allihopa, hopa! du med och jag med, du med och jaaaaggg med
[14:29] <LjL> Myrtti: is that what you sing in your ASL channels?
[14:30] <Myrtti> nå men ju de döva måste ju...
[14:31] <Myrtti> JULSKINKA!
[14:31] <Pici> takk
[14:31] <Myrtti> -->
[14:31] <LjL> jultroll, mmm
[14:35] <LjL> hey i was thinking
[14:35] <LjL> (since i need some new bot to write)
[14:35] <LjL> you know when people ask "what's the best player" etc, and we give !best, but they insist they want opinion?
[14:35] <Pici> I dont get it either.
[14:35] <LjL> could put a bot in #ubuntu-trivia (which is mostly unused now i think) to make polls about software categories
[14:36] <LjL> what's the best player? everyone gives their best, etc
[14:36] <LjL> then you can ask for the statistics on things
[14:36] <Jack_Sparrow> That would be cool
[14:36] <Jack_Sparrow> Morning ljl
[14:36] <LjL> yarr
[14:37] <Jack_Sparrow> Argh.. throw some beer gut into it
[14:37] <Pici> I think that whatever comes out of it should be used in a supybot plugin though.
[14:37] <LjL> Pici: ahahah. ah.
[14:37] <LjL> me writing python
[14:37] <Pici> LjL: I'll write it then, just get the data.
[14:38] <LjL> Pici: what data? the data will be given by the people who feel like shouting about their favorite X. bot just needs to have a list of valid ubuntu packages
[14:38]  * Pici thinks
[14:39] <Jack_Sparrow> Would there be a way to keep people from doubling up on their favorite?  ONe vote per registered nick or anything like that
[14:39] <LjL> Pici: commands could be like this
[14:39] <Pici> !best irc xchat
[14:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about best irc xchat - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[14:39] <LjL> !start poll about best <category>
[14:39] <LjL> then for 15 minutes, people can just type "amarok", "rhythmbox", etc
[14:39] <LjL> or
[14:39] <LjL> !best <category> is <package>
[14:40] <LjL> to give a single opinion without actually making a poll
[14:40] <Pici> I'll remember that LjL
[14:40] <LjL> and then !best <category> would give: "The BEST! <category> is <package>, with <x> votes (<y>%). Then come in order: ..."
[14:41] <Pici> I think its a great diea
[14:41] <Pici> idea (/me fixes fingers)
[14:42] <LjL> Pici: i'm even thinking it could be useful. we'd get nice lists of software packages for various think, without making any effort to research them ourselves. would make writing bot factoids much easier :)
[14:42] <LjL> s/think/things/
[14:42] <Jack_Sparrow> [06:41] <Phobos> deadlock, rm -R /*   in ubuntu
[14:43] <LjL> Jack_Sparrow, was banned already
[14:43] <Jack_Sparrow> Sorry, a little slow yet this am
[14:43]  * Pici gives Jack_Sparrow glasses
[14:43] <Jack_Sparrow> and more coffee
[14:44]  * Gary steals jacks coffee
[14:44] <Jack_Sparrow> :)
[14:44] <LjL> Pici: http://supybot.sourceforge.net/docs/plugins/Poll.html
[14:44] <LjL> not quite what i had in mind though
[14:45] <Pici> Its not extremely complicated anyway.
[14:45] <LjL> if one knows supybot, it should be trivial
[14:45] <Pici> Hah.
[14:46] <Pici> Funny that you word it like that.
[14:46] <Pici> I wrote a trivia bot plugin for supybot called Trivial.
[14:46] <LjL> Pici: that isn't what ran in -trivia though?
[14:46] <Pici> LjL: Nope.
[14:48] <LjL> Pici: if you write that i suggest you don't waste much time trying to interface to APT like ubotu does (and does pretty slowly). just dump the entire APT package list to a text file and use it or put it in sqlite...
[14:49] <Pici> Agreed.
[14:50]  * Pici cowers in fear
[14:50] <LongXmasStick> ARRR!
[14:51]  * LjL doesn't fear
[14:51] <Pici> Fear is the mindkiller?
[14:51] <LjL> no, fear is what makes the -ot people behave
[14:52] <LjL> and i don't behave
[14:54] <Gary> I want a pony!!!1!
[14:54] <LjL> !pony | Gary
[14:54] <ubotu> Gary: Tomorrow. Some patience, gee.
[14:54] <Gary> lol
[14:54] <Gary> who changed it :-)  well done
[14:55] <LjL> i, just now
[14:55] <Gary> excellent
[15:07] <PinkPony> \o/
[15:08] <Hobbsee> haha :)
[15:08] <Pici> Although... I didnt know that ponies could do that with their... arms(?)
[15:08] <PinkPony> I wanna pony
[15:09] <Hobbsee> @pony
[15:09] <Pici> !pony
[15:09] <ubotu> Tomorrow. Some patience, gee.
[15:09] <PinkPony> heeee
[15:09] <Hobbsee> hah
[15:09] <Hobbsee> !-pony
[15:09] <ubotu> pony has no aliases - added by LjL on 2007-12-24 15:54:39
[15:09]  * Hobbsee --> bed
[15:09] <Pici> bye.. okay.
[15:09] <PinkPony> *bwurps*
[15:10]  * Pici waves to GoldenPony
[15:10] <PinkPony> ham, carrot and gabbage casserole and salt-cured salmon on rye bread
[15:10] <PinkPony> I'm stuffed
[15:11] <ardchoille> You're stuffed and you made the rest of us hungry
[15:11] <PinkPony> :-P
[15:11] <Pici> gabbage? Sounds like how someone from long island, NY would say garbage.
[15:11] <PinkPony> @now Helsinki
[15:11] <ubotu> Current time in Europe/Helsinki: December 24 2007, 17:11:24 - Next meeting: Edubuntu meeting in 8 days
[15:12] <Pici> hm.
[15:12] <PinkPony> Pici: I don't like Finnish Christmas casseroles that much, so they've got cabbage for me
[15:12] <PinkPony> with minced meat and carrot
[15:13] <Pici> Sounds good, I guess.  I'm not a big fan of cabbage though.
[15:13] <Pici> deuryte: can we help you?
[15:14] <deuryte> maybe, every time I try to get into kubuntu-offtopic,  I end up here ??
[15:14] <Pici> deuryte: let me take a look, hold on.
[15:14] <deuryte> 4
[15:21] <Pici> deuryte: I see the bans... let me see if there is a Kubuntu operator around.
[15:21] <deuryte> 4
[15:21] <Pici> 4?
[15:22] <Pici> Tm_T: ping.
[15:23] <nalioth> Pici: there usually is one around
[15:23]  * Pici wanders into the Kubuntu channels
[15:23] <nalioth> Pici: what did you need?
[15:24] <Pici> nalioth: It was to take a look at deuryte's bans
[15:24] <nalioth> did you see one?
[15:24] <Pici> But since he left, I really dont care anymore.  He seems a bit of a troll.
[15:24] <Pici> Yes. two.
[15:24] <nalioth> that is why he's forwarded here, i expect
[15:57] <Pici> LjL: Thanks.
[16:19] <ubotu> In ubotu, underdaw1 said: !hamachi is Gutsy has issues with hamachi-init but if you go to the Synaptic package manager and search for "upx" and install both packages, you will be able to proceed and use hamachi
[16:28] <ubotu> In ubotu, underdaw1 said: !hamachi is Gutsy Gibbon (7.10) has a known issue with Hamachi where nothing happens after you input hamachi-init in the console.  You need to install upx and follow the directions here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3414411
[16:28]  * Pici wonders if a factoid is needed for that.
[16:30] <Pici> Howdy ompaul
[16:30] <ompaul> hi
[16:30] <ompaul> !pici
[16:30] <ubotu> pici is stuck in a factoid factory! Help!
[16:31] <ompaul> Pici, having missed totally what you are asking, could you repeat it please
[16:31] <Pici> 11:28:20 <ubotu> In ubotu, underdaw1 said: !hamachi is Gutsy Gibbon (7.10) has a known issue with Hamachi where nothing happens after you input hamachi-init in the console.  You need to install upx and follow the directions here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3414411
[16:33] <ompaul> Pici, hamachi is what?
[16:33] <ompaul> I can find the others using apt-cache search
[16:33] <Pici> Its a tool for doing vpn peer to peer connections iirc.
[16:38] <ompaul> I have been looking at the google results
[16:38] <ompaul> it seems that it is an option for upx
[16:41] <forsaken> can i be tested for the router bug? (i'm connecting to port 8001)
[16:41] <Pici> forsaken: hold still please.
[16:42] <Pici> forsaken: you appear to pass, give me a moment.
[16:42] <forsaken> ok, thanks
[16:42] <nalioth> Ariel_Eran: you can discuss that in here, if you don't mind  :)
[16:43] <Ariel_Eran> nalioth: sure, thanks.
[16:43] <Pici> forsaken: Alright, you're all set.
[16:44] <forsaken> Pici, cheers
[16:44] <Ariel_Eran> Hi all, a couple of days ago we've talked with nalioth, PriceChild and a couple of other people that were in the channel about IRSeek
[16:46] <Ariel_Eran> To bring you up to speed, after speaking with Christel, we've made several modifications to our service, and we are going to bring the service up (with Christel's blessing - http://blog.freenode.net/?p=68), and we wanted to get your approval to log the ubuntu family on channels :)
[16:46] <Ariel_Eran> family of channels, that is, sorry.
[16:48] <ompaul> you can't have them all in one go - we may own the name space but the locos are "owned by the loco teams" they would need contacts approval afik, not all ubuntu- channels that are part of the ubuntu- space would not want to be logged but in general I would think it is not a bad idea i
[16:48] <Ariel_Eran> PriceChild suggested that we speak a couple of days later after you guys get a chance to think/discuss this over. I was hoping you guys had a chance to consider
[16:49] <ompaul> no pricey to ask
[16:49] <ompaul> LjL, ?
[16:49] <ompaul> elkbuntu, ?
[16:50] <nalioth> ompaul: i have the answers
[16:50] <ompaul> nalioth, good :)
[16:50] <ompaul> nalioth, by mail or via irc?
[16:50]  * ompaul grins
[16:50] <nalioth> Ariel_Eran: please limit your logging to channels that have ubuntulog in them.  If you desire to log a channel that does not have ubuntulog, please contact us here
[16:51] <Ariel_Eran> nalioth: thanks, how can I tell which channels are logged by ubuntulog? (whois doesnt reveal anything)
[16:52] <ompaul> #ubuntu+1 #ubuntu-ops #ubuntu-motu #ubuntu-devel #ubuntu
[16:52] <ompaul> third line of ubuntulog
[16:52] <ompaul> second even
[16:52] <nalioth> Ariel_Eran: when you join a channel, you look for ubuntulog
[16:52] <Pici> ompaul: It only shows the channels that you share with it.
[16:53] <ompaul> ack
[16:53]  * ompaul head desks
[16:54] <nalioth> Ariel_Eran: what cloaks or other identifying marks will your bots have?
[16:54] <Ariel_Eran> nalioth: it will most likely be called IRSeekBot (and Christel said she'll take care of the cloaking in the next few hours) - the bot is not up yet anyway
[16:55] <Ariel_Eran> nalioth, others: thanks a lot, we really appreciate it.
[16:56] <LjL> Ariel_Eran: i'm particularly concerned about LoCo channels. please, make sure you really don't put the bot in there without the channel contacts' consent (you may find some of the contacts in #ubuntu-irc)
[16:56] <LjL> i really don't want them to blame us for ACKing the bot while we didn't... so just thought i'd make this clear
[16:57] <Ariel_Eran> LjL: Sure.  Do you know of ubuntulog is present on those channels as well?
[16:58] <LjL> Ariel_Eran: actually, simple procedure for checking if the bot is ok in: 1) /chanserv info #channel  2) /whois ubuntulog.   if #channel is owned by UbuntuIRCCouncil and ubuntulog is present there, the bot can join
[16:58] <ompaul> if it is #ubuntu-TLD then take it as read you need to ask the channel contact
[16:59] <LjL> Ariel_Eran: ubuntulog is not on those channels, other logging bots are. However it's really not up to us whether independent logging is considered acceptable there
[16:59] <Pici> Where TLD = 2 letter country-code
[16:59] <LjL> Ariel_Eran: in that case, /chanserv info #channel and send a memoserv note to the person listed as main contact (or a message if they or the alternate contact are online)
[16:59] <ompaul> woops
[17:00] <Ariel_Eran> LjL, ompaul: alright, sounds good, thanks!
[17:00] <ompaul> but yes cos we don't do -net -com -org -biz but then again maybe we should :-)
[17:01] <ompaul> Ariel_Eran, they are effectively independent, and at the risk of making the point again, please make this point very clear to those who work with you ;-) thanks
[17:01] <Ariel_Eran> ompaul: will do.
[17:01] <ompaul> ;-)
[17:02] <Pici> If you have any questions about who might own a channel, don't hesitate to ask.
[17:02]  * ompaul increments Pici
[17:06] <Ariel_Eran> Pici: thanks, I'll keep it in mind
[17:07] <ompaul> Pici, you changed my topic so I had revenge by proxy ;-) I thought kaot feels incremented was great
[17:07] <Pici> I didnt change that.
[17:08] <LjL> Pici: you changed it from happy easter to happy halloween
[17:08] <Pici> I just changed Happy Easter to Happy Halloween
[17:08] <Pici> oct 31 = dec 25
[17:08] <LjL> ompaul: i changed it to begin with though :)
[17:08] <ompaul> ack
[17:08] <Pici> !syn
[17:08] <ubotu> ACK!
[17:28] <white_eagle> ehh, ompaul
[17:28] <white_eagle> why have you banned me
[17:28] <ompaul> check your pm
[17:29] <Myrtti> Uuuuuuuu
[17:29] <Myrtti> a doubter
[17:30] <Pici> Why doth thou protest?
[17:31] <Myrtti> /me takes her emp cannon from the recharger dock
[17:31] <Pici> ack.
[17:31]  * Pici doesnt even know what play thats from, nor any of the context.
[17:32] <jussi01> Hyvää Joulua Myrtti and Everyone!
[17:32] <Myrtti> hyvää joulua jussi01
[17:32] <LjL> ää you too
[17:34]  * Pici wishes everyone happy holidays
[17:34] <tonyyarusso> Myrtti: /me thinks someone should acquire the nick Joanna for use in Ubuntu channels :P
[17:35] <Pici> Myrtti: I enjoyed your EMP alias the one time you used it. ;)
[17:35] <ompaul> give me hope joanna etc
[17:36] <jussi01> 0/me is completely lost
[17:36] <Pici> Nickserv>  Joanna -  Last seen 1 year 6 weeks 3 days
[17:36] <ompaul> jussi01, be happy, don't worry
[17:37] <tonyyarusso> Pici: more than 60 days
[17:37] <Pici> tonyyarusso: Yes, just a bit.
[17:41] <nalioth> what's an EMP ?
[17:42] <Pici> Electromagnetic Pulse
[17:42] <nalioth> well, no duh
[17:42] <jussi01> hahahaha
[17:42] <nalioth><PHONE_NUMBER> 11:35 <+Pici> Myrtti: I enjoyed your EMP alias the one time you used it. ;)            <<< how bout this one?
[17:42] <Pici> Why did you ask then?
[17:42]  * Pici looks in logs
[17:44] <Myrtti> anyone wanna try?
[17:44] <jussi01> Myrtti: ummmm....
[17:45]  * jussi01 shakes in boots
[17:45] <Myrtti> ;-P
[17:45]  * jussi01 hates windows... but PuTTy is a life saver!!
[17:46] <Myrtti>  empcannon  /say /me takes out her emp cannon and points at $0;/wait
[17:46] <Myrtti>           100;/say *BWUUUUUP*;/wait 50;/msg chanserv op $C $N;/wait 50;/quote
[17:46] <Myrtti>           remove $C $0 :http://xkcd.com/322 *KABLAM*;/msg chanserv op $C -$N
[17:46] <Pici> I couldnt copy it out without messing up the formatting anyway.
[17:47] <jussi01> Myrtti: LOL
[17:47] <jussi01> Myrtti: Can I grab those aliases off you again? since I put irssi on the server I didnt copy them over...
[17:48] <Myrtti> sure
[17:48] <Myrtti> I've not removed them
[17:49] <jussi01> Myrtti: linkki again?
[17:50]  * jussi01 apologises that he is on the windows box... :(
[17:50] <Pici> jussi01: http://pastebin.com/f4a331541
[17:50] <Gary> when did the topic change in -offtopic ?
[17:50] <Pici> When you werent looking
[17:50] <LjL> topic?
[17:51] <jussi01> HAAAHHAHAHHAHAH
[17:51] <Gary> I nearly wet myself laughing
[17:51] <Gary> oh I am so sad
[17:51] <Myrtti> myrtti.fi/temp/irssi_aliases.txt
[17:52] <Pici> I see no BWUUUP in that
[17:53]  * jussi01 hugs Myrtti
[17:53] <Myrtti> that's later
[17:53] <Pici> /alias hug
[18:45] <Pici> LjL: excess floodin again fyi.
[18:46] <nalioth> we're gonna catch him one day
[18:49] <LjL> yeah i noticed
[18:49] <LjL> my server shut down my SSH connection as well
[18:50] <LjL> and i hadn't saved the file i was editing
[18:50] <LjL> the cool thing is there isn't a mention of anything in syslog
[18:52] <sysdef> LjL: use vim
[18:54] <sysdef> vim will restore your work if you loose your connection and reopen the file
[18:54] <sysdef> LjL: or better: use screen
[18:56] <Pici> whoops
[18:58] <no0tic> who flooded him? And.. why only him, apparently?
[18:59] <Pici> I donut know
[18:59] <nalioth> he's flooding himself
[19:05] <LjL> blearg, my sister had the wrong IP set up for her stupid computer
[19:05] <LjL> i bet it was that yesterday too
[19:05] <LjL> anyway... the computer still thinks i'm connected and the nano process is still running, is there any way i can attach to it?
[19:05] <nalioth> likely story, you troll  :D
[19:05] <nalioth> LjL: if you used screen, type "screen -d -r"
[19:05] <LjL> no i didn't
[19:05] <nalioth> if you didn't use screen, you're SOL
[19:13] <Tm_T> Pici: hi
[19:14] <Tm_T> Pici: he's been pushing the limits for awhile, after he did start make provokes with nick I counted his sinlist being full enough ;)
[19:15] <Tm_T> Pici: see bans with his host too
[19:15] <Tm_T> anyway, I'm away from any pc once again ->
[20:35] <Utaka> Please can you uban me, sorry if I was a nuisance
[20:35] <ompaul> you just changed your nick again - you can't do that in #ubuntu
[20:35] <Utaka> I apoligse ompaul will not do it again
[20:35] <ompaul> the place is busy as all get out
[20:36] <ompaul> right - I'll lift it - please be aware that it is unfair on your fellow irc users in particular if they are not used to IRC the scrolling is too fast for them to deal with
[20:36] <ompaul> done
[20:37] <Utaka> thanks ompaul.
[20:37] <ompaul> np
[20:48] <ompaul> MenZa, wb
[20:48] <ompaul> I am a bit late there
[20:50] <MenZa> heh
[21:42] <white_eagle> ompaul, you haven't taken the ban yet?
[21:42] <ompaul> ahh
[21:42] <white_eagle> nevermind
[21:42] <white_eagle> if you think
[21:42] <white_eagle> that it should stay
[21:42] <white_eagle> let it be
[21:43] <white_eagle> thanks
[21:43] <ompaul> its removed - please bring your common sense to the channel and don't do things that will invoke censure
[21:43] <white_eagle> thanks dud
[21:43] <white_eagle> won't happen again
[22:14] <ardchoille> Is #kubuntu the proper place to be for linuxmce support?
[23:31] <LjL> !no best is <reply> Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose among a number of different applications, depending on your preferences, the features you require, and other factors. If you really insist on getting people's opinions, join #ubuntu-bots and ask there.
[23:31] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL
[23:34] <ardchoille> LjL: Is #kubuntu the proper place to be for linuxmce support?  I'm not sure exactly what LinuxMCE is
[23:34] <LjL> me neither
[23:34] <ardchoille> ok
[23:38] <MenZa> LinuxMCE is a media center distribution I guess
[23:39] <ardchoille> MenZa: Ok, but should we be supporting it in #kubuntu?
[23:39] <ardchoille> I don't want to provide instructions and have it mess up their LinuxMCE system
[23:39] <MenZa> It's a different distribution
[23:39] <MenZa> So no
[23:39] <MenZa> well
[23:39] <MenZa> its core is Kubuntu
[23:40] <ardchoille> Well, Ubuntu is based on debian too, but..
[23:40] <MenZa> yes.
[23:40] <MenZa> exactly.
[23:40] <ardchoille> Ah, ok
[23:41] <ardchoille> MenZa: ty :)
[23:41] <MenZa> :)