[00:48] <elexodus> any of you guys feel like banning a troll
[00:48] <elexodus> ?
[00:48] <elexodus> He's being disruptive
[00:48] <elexodus> ...
[00:49] <Seeker`> some more information would be nice
[00:50] <elexodus> His handle is lazermann, he want advice on how to install windows drivers, and upgrade from jaunty to Windows 95...
[00:51] <Seeker`> I can't do anything about it myself, but i'm sure someone will be about to keep an eye on him
[00:51] <Seeker`> thanks
[00:52] <elexodus> np
[00:54] <bazhang> urgh.
[00:55] <Seeker`> elexodus: thanks. Can I ask you to take note of the channel topic
[00:55] <elexodus> Channel topic?
[00:56] <Seeker`> Basically, please don't idle in here :)
[00:56] <elexodus> Oh, sure.
[00:56] <elexodus> See y'all
[00:56] <LjL> sebsebseb is ridiculous really
[00:56] <bazhang> *just* woke up
[00:59] <LjL> http://paste.ubuntu.com/163179/ just tell me if this amount of afterkick makes sense.
[00:59] <LjL> the quake in l'aquila had fewer aftershocks.
[01:02] <bazhang> * [xcdfgkjhgcv] (n=xcdfgjkh@5ad04595.bb.sky.com): xcdfgjkhgcv  <--- bolt_ ?
[01:04] <LjL> bazhang: it's not the last address he's had, but maybe
[01:04] <LjL> he's also in #eeepc-ot if that means anything to you
[01:04] <bazhang> LjL, I just remember the bb.sky.com from yesterday
[01:05] <elky> does the behaviour match
[01:05] <bazhang> not said anything yet elky
[01:05] <LjL> probably just another troll
[01:05] <LjL> xcdfetc has trolled before
[01:09] <bazhang> and is trolling again; recommending overclocking and defrag linux system right off the bat
[01:10] <elky> that was not bolt. spelling is too good
[01:10] <bazhang> unless bolt_ was faking before with his 'doggy language'
[01:13] <bazhang> now he is in #kubuntu
[01:19] <Seeker`> xcdfgblahblahblah is banned on-sight from -uk
[01:19] <bazhang> anyone with access in #kubuntu may want to keep an eye on him
[02:05] <bazhang> yikes
[02:06] <LjL> remove the rR manually if the bots don't very shortly
[02:06] <bazhang> seems like troll day. check out superdweeb in +1 as well
[02:06] <LjL> it was a double +rR because the mibbiter was registered and did it twice, so it's going to last longer
[02:14] <genii> Damn. Lots of Q in #k which I have no solutions or suggestions on, and seems no one else there does either.
[02:14] <bazhang> new releases always have tough questions until the wiki are updated and bugs sorted :)
[02:15]  * genii stays incognito
[02:44]  * genii makes more coffee
[02:48] <Seeker`> hi
[02:51] <genii> Hi Seeker`
[02:53]  * Seeker` is rewriting MootBot in supybot
[02:54] <genii> Seeker`: For -classroom or so?
[03:00] <Seeker`> for wherever it is at present
[03:01] <Seeker`> /msg Mootbot #listchans
[03:03] <genii> Cool
[03:03] <genii> Like a secretary :)
[03:04] <Seeker`> pretty much :)
[03:04] <genii> I worked with eggdrop before, somewhat frustrating
[03:05] <Seeker`> I found eggdrop quite easy
[03:05] <Seeker`> taught it to myself in a week or so
[03:06] <Seeker`> this is before I knew how to program properly (i.e. pre-uni)
[03:09] <genii> :)
[03:11] <Pici> tcl really bothered me when I tried to use eggdrop, I suspect I'd be better at it now that I'm a bit more comfortable with tcl
[03:12] <Seeker`> why did it bother you?
[03:18] <Pici> I don't remember, I think it had to due with variable scope.  I was trying to hack at a plugin that already existed
[03:19] <Seeker`> ah, when I started I didn't know that much about programming
[03:19] <Seeker`> so even not-so-subtle "problems" didn't bother me
[03:19] <Pici> Me either, that may have been the problem as well.,
[03:20] <Pici> I use tcl for an application at work, and its pretty easy now.
[03:20] <Seeker`> cool
[03:21] <Amaranth> aww
[03:21] <Amaranth> stupid bot
[03:21] <Amaranth> @login
[04:28] <ripps> MRSeptic is spamming #ubuntu
[04:30] <Seeker`> is noone going to sort this out?
[04:30] <genii> Looks like no #u ops around
[04:31] <Seeker`> >.<
[04:31] <Seeker`> HOW can there not be anyone around with ops in #u?!
[04:31] <genii> Apparently it can happen
[04:31] <Seeker`> there are 40 people in the access list
[04:32] <genii> Yup
[04:32] <genii> And none seem awake/around
[04:32] <Seeker`> @mark #ubuntu MrSeptic spamming, no ops around to deal with the issue
[04:35] <Seeker`> how can we help you?
[04:35] <MRSeptic> you ops fail
[04:35] <MRSeptic> ive been trolling in #ubuntu for like 5 mins
[04:36] <MRSeptic> ha
[04:38] <ripps> Seeker` genii, don't you guys have op powers?
[04:38] <Seeker`> no
[04:38] <Seeker`> not there anyway
[04:41] <NTFS> YOU OPS ARE LAZY
[04:42] <Seeker`> nb: how can we help?
[04:43] <NTFS> ban me
[04:43] <NTFS> come on
[04:44] <NTFS> YEAH WAKE UP
[04:44] <Seeker`> genii: no point spamming the ops call any more, its going to show up on anyones hilight as soon as they get back anyway
[04:44] <NTFS> SEEKER YOUR AN OP
[04:45] <Seeker`> ikonia: how can we help oyu?
[04:45] <IndyGunFreak> are there any ops to kick ntfs in #ubuntu?..
[04:45] <Seeker`> sadly not
[04:45] <NTFS> i am about to get klined
[04:45] <NTFS> yay\
[04:45] <Seeker`> they seem to have all gone on holiday together or something
[04:46] <rww> Fujisan is ban evading in #ubuntu-offtopic. His unaffiliated cloak is banned, but he's in there without it.
[04:46] <NTFS> lazy ops
[04:47] <Seeker`> @mark #ubuntu-offtopic Fujisan Ban evading - ban on cloak ony
[04:47] <Seeker`> rww: thanks
[04:47] <rww> Seeker`: no problem
[04:48] <NTFS> @mark NTFS
[04:48] <Seeker`> IndyGunFreak: anything else we can do to help you?
[04:48] <Seeker`> ripps: how can we help you?
[04:48] <IndyGunFreak> nope
[04:48] <ripps> nothing much, just waiting to wee if an op comes around to kill NTFS
[04:49] <Seeker`> Can I ask both of you not to idle in this channel please?
[04:49] <ripps> okay, sorry.
[04:49] <Seeker`> thanks
[04:50] <Seeker`> IndyGunFreak: Please don't idle in here
[04:54] <Seeker`> @mark #ubuntu-ops NTFS taunting, MrSeptic
[04:55] <Seeker`> IndyGunFreak: please leave
[05:03] <Seeker`> @mark
[05:04] <Seeker`> @mark #ubuntu nophilter lazerman
[05:04] <Seeker`> hi Madpilot
[05:04] <Madpilot> hi Seeker`
[05:04] <Seeker`> you've missed a lot of fun
[05:05] <Seeker`> 30 mins of spamming in #ubuntu, no ops around
[05:05] <genii> Madpilot: We could have used ya a while ago
[05:06] <genii> (or any #u op)
[05:06] <Madpilot> oh, good fun. I miss all the entertainment these days.
[05:06] <genii> Hehe
[05:06] <Seeker`> Fujisan is in #ubuntu-offtopic, his cloak is banned but it seems he doesn't have it any more
[05:06] <Madpilot> was he our half-hour spammer?
[05:06] <Seeker`> IndyGunFreak: is idling in here, has been asked several time to leave by me, isn't leaving
[05:06] <genii> Madpilot: No
[05:06] <Seeker`> Madpilot: no, MrSeptic/ Macrophage / NTFS was
[05:07] <genii> What I said in #freenode and #defocus :: We have a troll in #ubuntu with no active ops for there. Also he is now in #ubuntu-ops taunting , etc etc. Please assist.MRSeptic/Microphage/NTFS   keeps nick swapping
[05:07] <genii> Etc
[05:08] <Madpilot> good to go to #freenode, you can yell for staff there. There's also the <bang>staff tell in the bot
[05:08] <Madpilot> like <bang>ops except it brings out the klines and other heavy artillery
[05:08] <Seeker`> no staff active atm
[05:08] <Madpilot> meh
[05:08] <Seeker`> have a look for the @mark on NTFS in the bantracker for this channel
[05:08] <Madpilot> @login
[05:08] <Madpilot> @btlogin
[05:09] <genii> Madpilot: Damn, didn't know about the <bang>staff
[05:09] <Seeker`> from 03:34 on the timestamp there
[05:09] <Madpilot> I didn't know about the mark command, myself. Nifty.
[05:09] <Seeker`> @mark
[05:10] <Madpilot> good to know
[05:10] <Madpilot> note that <bang>staff is a ubottu thing, not a freenode thing. wont work in #freenode
[05:11] <genii> Ah, OK
[05:11] <genii> Madpilot: Anyhow the guy was fairly nasty. Eventually he basically got tired
[05:12] <Madpilot> awesome. at least it was an actual person - spambots don't get bored...
[05:12] <genii> Hehe
[05:12] <genii> It's frustrating as all hell when you can't do much :/
[05:12] <Madpilot> ya
[05:12] <Seeker`> genii++
[05:12] <Seeker`> Madpilot: I once again draw your attention to "fujisan" in -offtopic
[05:13] <Seeker`> appears to have a ban on the cloak for Fujisan
[05:13] <Seeker`> but not on an ip
[05:15] <Madpilot> I can't see a ban in -offtopic for him. Or is it a #u ban?
[05:15] <Seeker`> Madpilot: there is one in -offtopic
[05:15] <Madpilot> tonyyarusso, make that a ban as well as a kick for our spammer in #u
[05:16] <genii> Madpilot: There is no ban. No one was around to ban him
[05:16] <Seeker`> #ubuntu-offtopic *!*@unaffiliated/fujisan!##unavailable Automated-Addition Jun 28 2008 07:30:23
[05:16] <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: repeat?
[05:16] <genii> sorry, wrong user
[05:16]  * genii retreats to go have more coffee
[05:17] <Madpilot> tonyyarusso, the URL spammer you just kicked in #ubuntu - add a ban to that, spammers suck.
[05:17] <tonyyarusso> They do, but then I have to remember to clean it out later :P
[05:17] <tonyyarusso> He's on my hilight list though, so anything else will.
[05:17] <tonyyarusso> like that
[05:18] <tonyyarusso> (/abr is easier to type than manually opping, adding, deopping too...)
[05:18] <Seeker`> Madpilot: Fujisan ban was set sometime in 2008, not marked as removed int he bantracker, and is shown as banned in #kubuntu-offtopic more recently
[05:18] <Madpilot> kickban is our friend and yours :)
[05:19] <Madpilot> Seeker`, I sort of recognise the nick, as one of the regulars who sometimes pushes things a bit far
[05:19] <Seeker`> yeah, has been around for a while
[05:21] <Madpilot> if he's not currently causing trouble, I'm inclined to leave well enough alone
[05:21] <Seeker`> fair enough
[05:39] <Seeker`> right, 05:39 == bedtime
[05:59] <genii> Bah. "swine flu swine flu" all freaking week long.
[05:59] <genii> ( #u-offtopic)
[06:00] <Madpilot> If you've ever heard someone promise something "when pigs fly", now is the time to collect. After all, swine flue.
[06:00] <Madpilot> flu, even
[06:00] <genii> Heh. Some ppl are getting pretty upset in there right now
[06:04] <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: nicely done
[06:05] <Madpilot> Not my pun, but I'm shamelessly repeating it all over the intarwebz because it's great.
[06:10] <genii> There seems to be no escape for me :)
[06:20] <genii> Madpilot: Hehe "screen full of lines"
[06:20] <Madpilot> I love error reports like that.
[06:21] <Madpilot> those sorts of bug reports over on Launchpad must drive the bug triagers insane.
[06:22] <genii> I'm still laughing some here
[06:27] <Flannel> genii: Swine flu makes you taste of bacon!
[06:27] <genii> Wasn't that something Stephen Colbert said recently?
[06:28] <Flannel> Erm, I wouldn't know.  But I've been saying it since the beginning!
[06:32] <Madpilot> from swine flu to cougars. not sure that's an improvement.
[06:33] <Madpilot> ah, -offtopic is awesome. Being an op would be dead boring without it.
[06:36] <Madpilot> of course, the ops have to do their bit to keep -ot properly surreal. :)
[06:37] <genii> Flannel: Madpilot's remark reminds me we had no #u ops earlier for a persisten troll there.  I'm just curious mostly
[06:49] <Flannel> uh
[06:50] <Flannel> It'll certainly be harder for them to plead their case.
[06:50] <genii> Hm
[06:55] <genii> @btlogin
[06:57] <genii> Flannel: They are not in bantracker as banned. Since no ops for that channel were here at the time
[06:57] <genii> There's just Seeker` s @mark
[06:59] <genii><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:17] <genii> bazhang: You're alive!
[07:17] <bazhang> genii, yep; had to go shopping this morning. sorry to miss all of the 'fun'
[07:18] <genii> Ah
[07:18] <bazhang> that mrseptic/ntfs etc has a long history of trolling and ban-evading
[07:19] <genii> This is the first I've seen them. Nasty anyhow
[07:19] <bazhang> very. odd that everyone with access was absent.
[07:21] <genii> Yes, it was pretty frustrating. Especially when they show up in -ops and carry on etc etc
[07:22] <bazhang> I saw that. weird considering that two are opped in #u as well
[07:22] <genii> Maybe they just "left their hats on" as such
[07:23] <bazhang> I'm sure that's what it was.
[07:23] <Madpilot> the two op'd in #u are also marked /away
[07:23] <Madpilot> which really isn't useful
[07:26] <genii> Well, 2:25am so gonna try to get some sleep. Take care people
[07:26] <bazhang> night
[08:22] <Madpilot>  sudo rm -rf stupidity in #u. kb'd
[08:37] <Madpilot> is #kubuntu actually quiet currently, or is UbbyCD in #u just whinging?
[08:46]  * jussi01 wanders in sleepily
[09:24] <Myrtti> hi
[09:25] <Madpilot> morning Myrtti
[09:25] <elky> surviving finland?
[09:28] <Myrtti> sunburns from Vappu are healing
[09:29] <Myrtti> did bbq on the balcony yesterday
[09:29] <Myrtti> I still haven't touched my laptop since Thursday
[09:29] <elky> heh
[09:30]  * elky huggles Myrtti
[09:30] <elky> how's your mum?
[09:32] <Myrtti> haven't seen her yet, going doewn south prolly tomorrow. she seems cheery but nervous about the hip surgery
[12:47] <Seeker`> is S4th3N actually banned in #u?
[12:47] <Seeker`> cant see anything relevant in the BT
[12:48] <bazhang> he meant from -pl
[12:48] <Seeker`> fair enough
[12:49] <bazhang> whoa paste-mania in #kubuntu
[12:49]  * Seeker` isn
[12:49] <Seeker`> t in #k
[12:50] <bazhang> easily the most I've seen pasted in channel anywhere ever, like some diagnostic read out or something
[12:51] <tsimpson> full threaded backtrace...
[12:51] <bazhang> heh 6 minute paste
[13:02] <bazhang> * [d0_0d] (n=lol@5ad2a8c9.bb.sky.com): Lol
[13:02] <bazhang> @bansearch bolt_
[13:05] <bazhang><EMAIL_ADDRESS>wonder if that was him
[13:06] <Seeker`> don;t know, but it probably will drive you insane if you try and keep an eye on every bb.sky.com user in case they are bolt_
[13:07] <bazhang> true
[13:07] <elky> if it starts with 5ad it's a good chance of being bolt
[13:07] <tsimpson> *!*@*?
[13:08] <bazhang> the spelling looked familiar
[13:08] <Seeker`> tsimpson: I'm sure that would stop him :)
[13:08] <evilGary> thats a wide match :-)
[13:08] <elky> everyone else who matters seems to be 5ac*
[13:09] <Seeker`> Xintruder is 5ad*
[13:09] <tsimpson> I mean: <ubottu> Match: *!*@* by bazhang in #ubuntu on May 03 2009 06:22:55 (ID: 13081)
[13:10] <elky> tsimpson, a mark
[13:10] <elky> probably against someone who had left by that point
[13:11] <tsimpson> that needs fixing
[13:11] <tsimpson> @bansearch elky
[13:11] <bazhang> :0
[13:12] <elky> someone with db access want to mangle that?
[13:15] <elky> Seeker`, yeah, you're right. we're just going to have to play whack-a-mole when it's clearly him
[13:15] <elky> not when it's someone who happens to use the same isp
[13:22]  * tsimpson removed 8 bans on *!*@* from the database
[13:22] <Seeker`> nice
[13:22] <tsimpson> it'll take a little while for the bot to sync though
[13:23] <tsimpson> @bansearch tsimpson
[13:23] <tsimpson> 26 channels to go
[13:23] <Seeker`> that looks better
[13:23] <bazhang> thought I broke the bt
[13:23] <Seeker`> bazhang: you did :P
[13:24] <tsimpson> how did you @mark?
[13:25] <bazhang> for bolt_ dont recall ever doing so, and cant find in the bt
[13:25] <tsimpson> I mean today, the *!*@* one
[13:26] <tsimpson> want to find out if *!*@* is something the bot "generated"
[13:26] <bazhang> aha was for cybertron/lazerman/lazermann iirc
[13:26] <Seeker`> bazhang: where did you type it?
[13:27] <elky> seeker's the one who has been on the marking spree today
[13:27] <bazhang> in the ubottu window as always, @mark #channel nicks
[13:27] <tsimpson> 2009-05-03T06:22:55 *** bazhang requested a mark for *
[13:27] <Seeker`> elky: yup
[13:28] <Seeker`> elky: wasn't much else I could do
[13:28] <tsimpson> did you put in the nick in or *!*@*?
[13:28] <bazhang> tsimpson, that is weird, perhaps he had quit before I hit send
[13:28] <tsimpson> it shouldn't matter
[13:28] <bazhang> put the nick in, wouldn't make much sense to put other
[13:29] <bazhang> the last mark, though I did notice a slight delay (longer than usual) until I got 'the operation succeeded'
[13:30] <tsimpson> bt code is a little, erm, messy
[13:30] <bazhang> apologies if it was the net on my end, or hiccup here.
[13:31] <Seeker`> tsimpson++
[13:31] <tsimpson> I think it's more likely to be my code
[13:32] <bazhang> though after the onslaught of this morning, perhaps the bt got overloaded with marks and such
[13:32] <Seeker`> I would imagine its a problem in self.nick_to_host
[13:33] <tsimpson> self.doLog(irc, channel.lower(), '*** %s requested a mark for %s\n' % (msg.nick, target))
[13:33] <tsimpson> target is not altered from the command...
[13:35] <Seeker`> but isn't it the doKickban function that actually adds it to the BT
[13:35] <Seeker`> which uses hostmask
[13:36] <tsimpson> yes, but the log said the mark was requested for "*"
[13:36] <Seeker`> bazhang: do you still have the query window open with ubottu ?
[13:42] <tsimpson> I can see how @mark #ubuntu * ...  would return *!*@*
[13:43] <Seeker`> tsimpson: yeah, that would be understandable
[13:43] <Seeker`> tsimpson: would be useful to actually see what bazhang typed though :)
[13:43] <tsimpson> yeah
[13:46] <stdin> quit
[13:47] <tsimpson> @mark #ubuntu-ops stdin (n=stdin@ubuntu/member/stdin)
[13:47] <tsimpson> that worked ok
[13:52] <bazhang> @mark #kubuntu xcdfgjkhgcv removed from #ubuntu for trolling
[13:52] <bazhang> that is the oops
[13:52] <bazhang> :(
[13:53] <bazhang> that is the one that did it I believe
[13:53] <Seeker`> -15:02:53- :ubottu : Match: *!*@* by bazhang in #ubuntu on May 03 2009 06:22:55 (ID: 13081)
[13:53] <Seeker`> it was for #ubuntu not #kubuntu
[13:54] <Seeker`> can you not look at the timestamps in the query with ubottu?
[13:54] <bazhang> of course. that is what I did
[13:54] <tsimpson> [Guest22028]<EMAIL_ADDRESS>random offtopic and nasty part message
[13:54] <tsimpson> it was that one
[13:55] <Seeker`> no closing bracket?
[13:55] <tsimpson> not according to the log
[13:56] <bazhang> a  *  seems to have gotten in before the [guestetc]
[13:57] <tsimpson> ah
[13:57] <bazhang> was this mark #ubuntu * [Guest22028 (plus @)
[13:59] <tsimpson> @mark * [Guest22028]<EMAIL_ADDRESS>testing and stuff
[13:59] <tsimpson> that's better
[13:59] <bazhang> my sincere apologies tsimpson , no idea how that got in there, must have been a careless copy/paste on my part
[14:00] <tsimpson> don't worry about it, the BT should be immune to it now :)
[14:00] <bazhang> okay thanks :)
[14:34] <LjL> i'd have a look at phix.
[14:42] <Seeker`> do you reckon phix should be told to take it to -offtopic?
[14:42] <LjL> he should take it to efnet for all i'm concerned
[14:43] <LjL> not a coincidence i had him on highlight for sure
[14:44] <Seeker`> what language is TUPLE_ trying to speak?
[14:44] <Seeker`> *TUPE
[14:44] <Seeker`> gah, typing sucks
[14:45] <LjL> no idea
[14:45] <Slart> Hello ops..can't someone please tell TUPUE_  to behave? I don't know how many languages he's tried so far
[14:46] <LjL> the last one seemed fake
[14:46] <LjL> at least, if it's a real language, it's one i'd like to learn
[14:46] <Slart> =)
[14:47] <LjL> Seeker`: before the last message, the rest was french
[14:47] <LjL> and kind of abusive
[14:50] <Seeker`> @bansearch phix
[14:50] <LjL> orly
[14:50] <Seeker`> ya rly
[14:52] <LjL> that explains the funny-colored highlight for sure.
[14:52] <Seeker`> yeah, there are a few entries for him
[14:53] <LjL> Seeker`: -ot now
[14:55] <Seeker`> does "TUPUE_ : i kicketen bouletten #ubuntu-it." mean anything?
[14:56] <LjL> Seeker`: not really
[14:56] <LjL> gnomefreak: no, i'm not
[14:57] <gnomefreak> oh i miss so much :(
[14:57] <Seeker`> LjL: cant find anything for kiwi or digitalkiwi on the BY
[14:57] <LjL> Seeker`: he's an archlinux troll, sure he wasn't banned the last time a lot of those people were?
[14:57] <Seeker`> @bansearch digitalkiwi
[14:58] <Seeker`> @bansearch kiwi
[15:00] <LjL> Seeker`: he wasn't banned before, you're right and so is he. sorry. i remembered wrong because i was *about* to ban him, but didn't.
[15:01] <Seeker`> its ******* difficult to keep track of what is going on atm
[15:03] <LjL> mion and digitalwiki are both archlinux people
[15:07] <LjL> why am i thinking phix and fde are related?
[15:07] <LjL> also, why does "Francis Earl" (fde) ring very much of a bell?
[15:08] <Seeker`> nothing obvious in BT for fde
[15:08] <LjL> not sure about fde-the-nickname, it's the realname that rings a bell for me
[15:09] <elky> he's a general douche
[15:09] <LjL> [Tue Nov 28 2006] [17:42:27] Whois      lunitik is n=lunitik@unaffiliated/lunitik (Francis Earl)
[15:09] <LjL> duh
[15:09] <LjL> of course he rings a bell
[15:09] <LjL> it's the guy seveas left because.
[15:10] <elky> oh, right
[15:10] <Seeker`> would that be requireing a ban then?
[15:10] <elky> i really need to go to bed at some point RSN
[15:10] <LjL> i believe he's ban evading, as unaffiliated/lunitik is still on the ban list.
[15:11] <elky> LjL, in -ot?
[15:11] <LjL> elky: yes
[15:11] <LjL> probably in both
[15:11] <Seeker`> and #u
[15:11] <LjL> in #u, ikonia banned him, perhaps he got unbanned and then later banned again
[15:11] <LjL> in -ot, i suspect it was never removed in the first place
[15:12] <Seeker`> om paul removed it, ikonia readded it
[15:12] <LjL> at any rate, that was supposed to be a permban, and unless this is another Francis Earl, which i doubt... he's also using different cloaks to evade
[15:12] <Seeker`> no, wait
[15:12] <Seeker`> ikonia removed it
[15:12] <Seeker`> then readded it 4 mins later
[15:12] <LjL> probably removed by mistake then
[15:12] <elky> !staff ^^ could you kindly un-cloak this ban evader
[15:13] <Seeker`> elky: do you want to remove him from #u, or shall I?
[15:13] <elky> you can
[15:14] <elky> in PM <fde> who is lunitik? why did you kick me again?
[15:14] <Seeker`> tell him to come here? I just got the same
[15:14] <elky> Seeker`, you'll get it too, just ignore him
[15:14] <LjL> elky: staff should be able to tell whether they're the same person if the IP is similar. not that they'd tell you, but they'd certainly reach their own conclusions about what to do with cloaks, if you see my point
[15:15] <elky> [Tue Nov 28 2006] [17:42:27] Whois      lunitik is n=lunitik@unaffiliated/lunitik (Francis Earl)
[15:15] <fde> Why am I getting banned from Ubuntu channels being accused of being lunitik? I am not this person...
[15:15] <fde> Ok, so because I have the same name... I am someone else?
[15:15] <elky> it works for me.
[15:16] <LjL> fde: aside from the fact that the nickname "fde" was registered just about when "lunitik" ceased being used?
[15:16] <fde> As far as I know, ignoring people is not against the Ubuntu social contract, why are you having a problem with me?
[15:17] <fde> Please remove the ban, I am not this lunitik person
[15:19] <fde> That's messed up, first time I've ever been punished based on just my name... lol
[15:19] <LjL> [02:00] *** fde!n=fearl@unaffiliated/fde has joined #ubuntu
[15:19] <LjL> [12:12] *** fearl!n=fearl@unaffiliated/lunitik has joined #ubuntu
[15:19] <elky> works for me.
[15:20] <elky> !staff | see above. thanks!
[15:20] <LjL> [16:15:39] [Notice] -NickServ- Information on lunitik (account fearl): [16:15:39] [Notice] -NickServ- Last seen  : (about 52 weeks ago)
[15:21] <LjL> [16:15:41] [Notice] -NickServ- Information on fde (account fde): [16:15:42] [Notice] -NickServ- Registered : Apr 29 23:47:40 2008 (1 year, 0 weeks, 3 days, 14:28:01 ago)
[15:21] <LjL> now, how long is 52 weeks ago?
[15:21] <LjL> he really must think we're idiots
[15:22] <elky> if only he could have stayed for the show
[15:24] <LjL> phix is totally uncalled for, really
[15:27] <elky> LjL, he's gone
[15:27] <elky> LjL, i had to get clothes out of the washing machine
[15:28] <LjL> [16:28:04] --> fde has joined this channel (n=fde@ip98-165-92-182.ph.ph.cox.net).
[15:30] <fde> elky: what can I do to convince you I'm not that lunatik person? I wasn't ban evading though, I just started my client again
 [02:00] *** fde!n=fearl@unaffiliated/fde has joined #ubuntu
 [12:12] *** fearl!n=fearl@unaffiliated/lunitik has joined #ubuntu
[15:31] <fde> elky: what does that prove?  I was only going to be around until F11 final  :/
[15:32] <fde> elky: bugs me I'm banned for no reason though, that's stupid... just based on your assumption?
[15:32] <gnomefreak> i only saw him use bad lanuage and only once. and why dont we have !langauge
[15:32] <elky> your services are no longer required.
[15:33] <elky> gnomefreak, his attitude in general has been sour.
[15:33] <fde> Mine?
[15:33] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[15:34] <fde> elky: I thought this community was supposed pride itself on being welcoming etc... yet I'm banned because my name matches someone else?
[15:35] <LjL> NickServ- Information on lunitik (account fearl):  -NickServ- Last seen  : (about 52 weeks ago)
[15:35] <LjL> NickServ- Information on fde (account fde): -NickServ- Registered : Apr 29 23:47:40 2008 (1 year, 0 weeks, 3 days, 14:28:01 ago)
[15:38] <fde> lol... I've been praised by users in the channel for assisting them, and this is how I'm treated? No wonder this community has the actual reputation it currently has... you get rid of all the knowledgeable people. What a joke, but good luck with that philosophy... bye
[15:39] <LjL> a @mark not to forget about the reasons to link him to lunitik?
[15:39] <Seeker`> @mark #ubuntu-ops fde fde is lunitik
[15:40] <phix> too many arrogant pricks here
[15:40] <phix> e.g. LjL
[15:40] <LjL> i certainly see one
[15:40] <elky> that population grew within the past 30 seconds
[15:40] <phix> elky: did LjL just join/.
[15:40] <phix> ?
[15:41] <elky> phix, no, you did.
[15:41] <elky> tell me why exactly should we take you seriously?
[15:41] <phix> elky: before LjL joined of corse
[15:42] <elky> forget about ljl. why the heck should i take you seriously?
[15:42] <phix> elky: who said you should?  don't ubuntu ppl get humour?
[15:42] <elky> insulting homosexual people is not funny.
[15:42] <phix> elky: I wasnt
[15:42] <gnomefreak> is it !bleh is reply bleh bleh to add something to bot i cant remember its been so long
[15:42] <elky> yes you were.
[15:42] <phix> i love homosecxual ppl
[15:43] <LjL> gnomefreak: !bleh is <reply> bleh bleh
[15:43] <elky> then why use a derogatory term such as 'fag'?
[15:43] <phix> elky: because I am refering to it in a differn term?
[15:43] <elky> oh? which?
[15:43] <Seeker`> phix: what term was that?
[15:44] <phix> the term that doesn't insult fags
[15:44] <phix> for being fags
[15:44] <gnomefreak> LjL: thanks. also bot doesnt have !info for pastebinit
[15:44] <elky> the ban stays. he is unwilling to behave by the rules.
[15:44] <gnomefreak> it should read from archives i thought
[15:44] <LjL> elky: besides, he has past history of bans.
[15:44] <LjL> !info pastebinit | gnomefreak, yes it does?
[15:44] <ubot4`> LjL: pastebinit (source: pastebinit): command-line pastebin client. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.11.2-0ubuntu1 (jaunty), package size 21 kB, installed size 344 kB
[15:45] <phix> how is the word fag a derogatory term?
[15:45] <phix> the fags I know like that word
[15:45] <phix> they use it with pride
[15:45] <gnomefreak> oh let me check something
[15:45] <phix> are you being derogatory for thinkng otherwise
[15:45] <phix> ?
[15:45] <elky> phix, i know several gay people who find it insulting.
[15:45] <gnomefreak> LjL: it worked that time
[15:46] <phix> are you saying that fags arn't proud of being a fag?
[15:46] <phix> elky: perhaps they should harden the f*ck up
[15:46] <elky> then you can harden up and accept life without our channels.
[15:46] <phix> elky: and be a real fag
[15:46] <phix> how do they correlate?
[15:46] <Seeker`> I don't think this is going anywhere
[15:47] <gnomefreak> LjL: i think it was the space before the !
[15:47] <elky> Seeker`, nor do i. ban stays for at least 48 hours. i go to bed now.
[15:47] <phix> how does severall ppl finding that word insulting and speaking on an open source channel corrolate?
[15:47] <phix> I thought open source ppl had open minds too>
[15:48] <Seeker`> phix: if you want to be unbanned, come back in 48 hours and we can discuss this again
[15:48] <phix> Seeker`: can I prv msg you?
[15:48] <elky> in the mean time
[15:48] <Seeker`> phix: I would prefer it if you didn't
[15:48] <elky> !guidelines
[15:48] <phix> Seeker`: do you like to spoon?
[15:49] <elky> night.
[15:49] <LjL> elky: night
[15:49] <elky> 72 hours now.
[15:49] <phix> elky: what? spooning adds another 2 days?
[15:49] <phix> elky: is this channel homophobic?
[15:49] <phix> :)
[15:49] <Seeker`> another 1 day actually
[15:49] <elky> phix, learn math.
[15:50] <phix> elky: oh, 1 more day?
[15:50] <phix> :)
[15:50] <elky> 48x2 is not 72
[15:50] <gnomefreak> is jussi01  still running the bot?
[15:50] <LjL> gnomefreak: and stdin, yes
[15:50] <phix> elky: 24*3 is though
[15:51] <gnomefreak> LjL: thanks
[15:51] <elky> phix, please leave. you are wasting our time.
[15:51] <phix> elky: or 48+24
[15:51] <phix> elky: no
[15:52] <gnomefreak> jussi01: is there a way to make bot ignore a space before !bleh so it still gives output
[15:52] <LjL> normally it did
[15:52] <LjL> i guess not with info
[15:52] <elky> does someone here have access here?
[15:52] <LjL> info used to be in encyclopedia but it's its own plugin now
[15:52] <Seeker`> I dont
[15:52] <LjL> elky: gnomefreak does
[15:52] <gnomefreak> i do
[15:53] <elky> good. night mkII
[15:53] <Seeker`> nn
[15:53] <gnomefreak>  !info pastebinit
[15:53] <LjL>  !test
[15:53] <LjL> ! ping
[15:53] <LjL> it's just !info
[15:54] <gnomefreak> LjL: is there a way to fix that or is that in the bots script
[15:55] <LjL> gnomefreak: i don't really know, why do you need it fixed?
[15:56] <gnomefreak> need wouldnt be the term i would use maybe just want. but its not important just helps me when i screw up
[15:57] <LjL> gnomefreak: https://code.launchpad.net/~tsimpson/ubuntu-bots/tweak has the source, i think PackageInfo is the plugin you're after
[15:57] <gnomefreak> LjL: thanks i will look at it when im done with email
[15:58] <tsimpson> @reload PackageInfo
[15:58] <ubot4`> tsimpson: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
[15:58] <tsimpson>  !info pastebinit
[15:59]  * tsimpson get's his hammer
[16:00] <tsimpson> ubottu: @reload PackageInfo
[16:00] <tsimpson> ubottu: reload PackageInfo
[16:00] <tsimpson>  !info pastebinit
[16:10] <gnomefreak> tsimpson: thanks i didnt think reloading would help it
[16:10] <tsimpson> gnomefreak: reloading after edit the files does ;)
[16:10] <gnomefreak> ah :)
[16:10] <tsimpson> just needed to .strip() the input
[16:18] <LjL> look who's online
[16:18] <LjL> [17:18:21] [Who] lunitik is n=fde@unaffiliated/lunitik (Francis Earl)
[16:18] <LjL> and in #fedora, as he indeed had said he would :)
[16:18] <Seeker`> haha
[17:11] <LjL> what?
[17:13] <Seeker`> ?
[17:13] <LjL> nothing.
[17:27] <Seeker`> how many times will AlsaPCM get muted by the bots do you reckon?
[17:35] <LjL> dudedano 1) is from an ipv6 address 2) claims to have installed ubuntu using a youtube video tutorial apparently 3) asks if he should switch to gentoo
[17:35] <LjL> sounds like a troll to me :)
[18:22] <Chr|s> hey guys, how would I request something to be added to !ubottu?
[18:22] <Seeker`> by saying !something is what you think it should be
[18:22] <maco> you can try to set it yourself and then the folks in #ubuntu-irc can approve or denyy
[18:23] <Seeker`> like !blah is something
[18:23] <Chr|s> I see
[18:23] <Pici> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots#Using%20Ubottu
[18:23] <Pici> maco: #ubuntu-ops gets ubottu suggestions
[18:23] <Chr|s> I have this link that is well written for setting up irssi
[18:23] <maco> oh, really?
[18:23] <maco> ok then
[18:23] <Chr|s> could help a lot of first timers out
[18:24] <maco> hey Pici, you're a freenode op too, right?
[18:24] <Pici> maco: Nope. Just Ubuntu.
[18:24] <maco> oh. you're in #freenode right now so i tried to guess. so mr price is the one i'm thinking of then?
[18:24] <Seeker`> yup
[18:25] <Pici> And nal
[18:26] <maco> ok. well they seem to both be AFK right now, so i guess i'll go back to hoping for a response in #freenode :P
[18:26] <maco> tata
[18:29] <Seeker`> !irssi
[18:31] <Seeker`> do we want that in the factoid?
[18:32] <jussi01> !screen
[18:33] <jussi01> Seeker`: you could just say: also see !screen
[18:34] <Seeker`> hmm
[18:34] <Seeker`> that link is already in the "external links" on the wiki page
[18:34] <Seeker`> so no need to add it
[18:34] <jussi01> exactly
[18:35] <jussi01> !no, irssi is <reply> Irssi is a terminal based IRC client. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Irssi for help. See also !screen
[18:35] <jussi01> there.
[18:50] <bolt> hi
[18:50] <Seeker`> hi
[18:51] <bolt> what i'm still band
[18:52] <Seeker`> it would appear so
[18:52] <bolt> how come
[18:54] <Seeker`> because the person that set it ahsnt removed it yet
[18:54] <Seeker`> I believe that was ikonia?
[18:55] <bolt> yes it was
[18:55] <Seeker`> you would need to talk to him about gettign the ban lifted
[18:55] <bolt> he is here
[18:56] <Seeker`> he hasn't been active tody
[18:56] <Seeker`> *today
[18:57] <bolt> he apperes to be active
[18:57] <Seeker`> please come back in a couple of hours and see if he is around then
[18:58] <bolt> ikonia:  are you there
[19:00] <bolt> elky  so i'm still band i guess
[19:00] <Seeker`> bolt: please come back later
[19:01] <bolt> ok
[19:01] <Seeker`> !idle | bolt
[19:06] <topyli> bolt: you appear to be ban dodging on #ubuntu-offtopic? is this so? or has your ban been removed in there?
[19:06] <bolt> topyli:  it has
[19:08] <topyli> apparently yes. sorry, go on chatting there
[19:08] <Seeker`> bolt: please part this channel, come back in a couple of hours
[19:25] <popey> 19:25:15 <bolt> i am an  idiot sometimes
[19:25] <popey> heh
[19:31] <LjL> sometimes
[19:31] <jussi01> ??
[19:31] <LjL> nothing, nothing
[19:32]  * jussi01 hugs LjL
[19:38]  * LjL wonders just how difficult it can be to learn to use the mouse with the left hand and the keyboard with one hand too
[19:40] <Seeker`> using the mouse with the left hand is trivial
[19:40] <Seeker`> one handed keyboard is a pin
[19:40] <LjL> Seeker`: it is not trivial, it feels terrible
[19:40] <jussi01> nah, I think its a needle... :P
[19:41] <LjL> i think it's a pun
[19:41] <Pici> I agree, one handed computing is bad when you don't have a choice.
[19:41] <LjL> oh but i have a choice
[19:41] <Seeker`> I had RSI in my right hand, feeling a little odd is better than searing wrist pain
[19:41] <LjL> one handed computing, or sleepless night because the whole right arm and hand hurt
[19:41] <LjL> or, well, no computing. if that is indeed a reasonable choice.
[19:42] <Pici> I was referring to when I broke my arm.
[19:43] <LjL> Pici: so do you happen to have any tips aside from "it's bad" which doesn't help?
[19:44] <LjL> voice recognition - no, i tried that last year.
[19:44] <LjL> it made for a bit of fun but.
[19:44] <LjL> also it involves booting windows.
[19:44] <Seeker`> LjL: what caused this need for one-handed computing?
[19:45] <LjL> Seeker`: some sort of rsi i suppose
[19:45] <Pici> LjL: I had a touchpad that I was able to plug into my work desktop, that helped a bit. I could still somewhat use my right hand for that.
[19:45] <Seeker`> I found a graphics tablet instead of a mouse helped
[19:46] <Seeker`> my RSI seems to be mouse related, so I'm usually ok for typing with both hands
[19:46] <LjL> tried the graphics tablet last year too, but it annoys me almost more than mouse in the left hand
[19:46] <LjL> yeah mine's definitely mouse related too for all i can tell
[19:46] <LjL> but right now it hurts whatever i do so i guess typing should be avoided too
[19:48] <Seeker`> mine is mainly my right index finger, the tendons leading to it (above and below the hand)
[19:52] <jussi01> you need to get one of these headsets that you navigate with your eyes :P
[19:54] <Seeker`> or someone to ues the computer for me
[19:56] <tsimpson> [Global Notice] Hi all, we're going to take services down for some quick maintenance -- they'll be gone a mere few minutes, this will affect chanserv, memoserv, nickserv and alis. Apologies for the inconvenience
[19:56] <tsimpson> op up
[19:57] <tsimpson> too late
[20:14] <Flannel> gah.  Look away for one second
[20:15] <Seeker`> I was about 0.25 seconds too slow with the ban command
[20:36] <Flannel> no one!
[20:36] <Flannel> Oh
[20:36] <Flannel> nevermind
[20:36] <Flannel> Uh
[20:37] <Flannel> Why didn't that ban him?
[20:37] <Seeker`> I dont know
[20:37] <Flannel><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:37] <Flannel> Is that aleady banned and I missed it?
[20:37] <Seeker`> I didn't ban him because I thought the bots did it automagically
[20:37] <Flannel> Yeah, I didn't see it.
[20:38] <Flannel> I saw mao-kun, but not the guy who actually did something
[20:39] <Flannel> oh
[20:39] <Flannel> there it is.  FB3
[20:44] <Flannel> *joy*
[21:00] <guntbert> Hi, I got the impression that the factoid !mount should either *not* be an alias for !disks or should be amended (no proposal yet), because it deals only with partitioning
[21:01] <BOLT__> oh bother still band
[21:02] <Seeker`> BOLT__: ikonia still isn't around
[21:04] <Seeker`> BOLT__: please come back later
[21:18] <Seeker`> Pici: That is exactly what he was doing
[21:18] <Pici> Seeker`: /me shrugs
[21:22] <guntbert> I don't want to idle - any reply/request to my !mount-statement?
[21:23] <Pici> guntbert: If you can come up with a suggestion to change it, we'll concider it
[21:24] <guntbert> Pici: I was afraid of that :-), but I'll try...
[21:24] <Pici> Okay :)
[22:25] <LjL> bilokshem in #ubuntu
[22:50] <LjL> bolt has just been unaf cloaked
[23:04] <Seeker`> LjL: different bolt
[23:04] <Seeker`> supposedly anyway
[23:04] <Seeker`> its the bolt that was killing bolt_ for nick collision
[23:06] <popey> you sure
[23:06] <popey> bolt (not bolt_ was talking to me earlier)
[23:07] <Seeker`> bolt had a .no host
[23:07] <Seeker`> bolt_ had a bb.sky.com
[23:07] <popey> ah
[23:07] <popey> my bad
[23:09] <LjL> ah... uhm... *shrug*
[23:09] <LjL> i have indeed seen the "r00t" ident before, though. not that it's very uncommon.
[23:10]  * genii makes more coffee and takes a ppek at access lists to make sure he's not supposed to be somewhere he doesnt know about yet
[23:56] <PROject-Emerald> Uhh
[23:57] <PROject-Emerald> I was banned from #Ubuntu earlier for talking about putting marijuana in my mobo and seeing what it did
[23:57] <PROject-Emerald> how do I get unbanned?
[23:57] <LjL> tell us what it did!
[23:57] <LjL> just kidding.
[23:57] <PROject-Emerald> Srsly? It started my laptop on fire
[23:57] <PROject-Emerald> Lol
[23:58] <PROject-Emerald> !apt
[23:58] <PROject-Emerald> !sudo
[23:58] <LjL> !msg the bot
[23:58] <PROject-Emerald> Sorry :3


[14:11] <kwadronaut> so, I read the docs: https://cloudinit.readthedocs.org/en/latest/topics/modules.html and think i still have some questions ;-)
[14:23] <smoser> kwadronaut, you can ask htem here.
[14:24] <kwadronaut> smoser: cheers. First question is: how can I contribute to that specific page?
[14:24] <smoser> its managed from code.
[14:25] <smoser> so you can write doc and make bzr merge request.
[14:26] <kwadronaut> oh bzr. i forgot that.
[14:26] <kwadronaut> which module would (re)generate ssh server keys?
[14:27] <kwadronaut> (I'm using the Debian packages)
[14:31] <smoser> 'ssh' does that.
[14:31] <smoser> cloudinit/config/cc_ssh.py
[14:32] <kwadronaut> thanks
[14:58] <kwadronaut> hmmm i am missing the right way to have it only run once (use case: take a snapshot, boot that, don't get a new ssh-key)
[14:58] <smoser> kwadronaut, it should only run once.
[14:58] <smoser> by default
[14:59] <kwadronaut> in that case, i'll compare what i changed half a year ago with the defaults.
[14:59] <smoser> so the way that is handled is that the default is 'PER_INSTANCE'.
[15:00] <smoser> the module can define *its* defualt, by defining 'frequency' in it. (cc_ssh does not do that). the values expected are one of
[15:00] <smoser> PER_INSTANCE = "once-per-instance"
[15:00] <smoser> PER_ALWAYS = "always"
[15:00] <smoser> PER_ONCE = "once"
[15:01] <smoser> and cloud-config can define a overriding value.
[15:01] <smoser> see example of 'cloud_config_modules' in doc/examples/cloud-config.txt
[15:02] <kwadronaut> ah, but instances get a new instance-id here if you snapshot and fire up the snapshot
[15:03] <kwadronaut> thanks, i'm reading
[15:06] <kwadronaut> that document both has [ cloud-init-per, once, mymkfs, mkfs, /dev/vdb ] and [ apt-update-upgrade, always ]
[15:06] <kwadronaut> i guess 1 way would be less confusing
[16:15] <smoser> kwadronaut, well, cloud-init-per is just a generic command.
[16:15] <smoser> that you can can put into /usr/local/bin/ scripts or whatever
[16:16] <smoser> and it will run the command provided according to that frequency.
[16:16] <smoser> it may not actually be necessary in that case any more.
[16:16] <smoser> but at one point bootcmd's didn't work for frequency
[16:17] <smoser> oh. yeah. you do need it there.
[16:17] <smoser> because 'bootcmd' module does run 'per_always'
[16:18] <smoser> but if you only want a command to run once or per-isntance, then that command has to control itself.
[17:26] <smoser> kwadronaut, ^ did that make sense ?
[18:42] <kwadronaut> i guess so, i was getting some food and will have a closer look today or tomorrow.


[02:47] <hallyn> So is there a good way to tell whether livepatch is actually working here? I'm sorried about this:  Livepatch kernel mismatch: Kernel version is "4.15.0-166.174-generic", payload targeted for "4.15.0-151.157-generic"
[07:00] <blahdeblah> This new cryptsetup vuln (CVE-2021-4122) sounds like a fun one.  They say for cryptsetup 2.2.x mitigation we need to use --disable-luks2-reencryption, but that doesn't appear to be present in the man page or command help for cryptsetup on focal.  Is it undocumented, or just missing?
[07:00] <blahdeblah> https://seclists.org/oss-sec/2022/q1/34, since ubottu doesn't seem to know about it
[12:06] <rbasak> blahdeblah: that sounds like a build-time flag
[12:21] <mdeslaur> blahdeblah: I have some packages to test here: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security-proposed/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+packages
[12:21] <mdeslaur> (you need to add a patch that adds that new build-time flag)


[13:28] <cuihao> Anybody? I am learning Japanese. I wonder whether the pronunciation of ざ should be /za/ or /dza/ ? And forgive my poor English :p
[13:31] <Emmanuel_Chanel> cuihao: /za/ , as far as I know.
[13:33] <cuihao> ありがとう！ Thank you! 谢谢！ :)


[03:17] <simosx> bcurtiswx: do you want a copy of the IRC log?
[03:17] <bcurtiswx> simosx: yeah, i turned my log off temp and forgot to turn it back on when we switched rooms
[03:19] <bcurtiswx> Pricey: simosx has the logs from the room switch... and says he talked to popey and popey said he ran out of time.. just updating you from what i told you before
[03:19] <simosx> you are in the second part as well.
[03:20] <bcurtiswx> yeah, i was the last to be approved
[03:21] <simosx> bcurtiswx: would you like a copy of the first part? it might be easier (for popey) to extract the launchpad names from the IRC logs and give to him.
[03:22] <bcurtiswx> simosx: yeah why not, thx
[03:22] <simosx> rephrase: it might be easier if we give him the launchpad IDs instead of him searching the logs.
[03:25] <bcurtiswx> simosx: are your logs your local time or UTC?
[03:26] <simosx> bcurtiswx: they are local time (should be ±1 GMT)
[03:26] <simosx> (i think it's +1 UTC)
[03:27] <bcurtiswx> so its 3AM there, and popey said he'd work on it at  7PM your time?
[03:27] <bcurtiswx> GMT = UTC
[03:27] <simosx> yep
[03:29] <bcurtiswx> since you may wake up before me (-4GMT), give popey a poke/reminder ?
[03:31] <simosx> bcurtiswx: He might see these messages since he has his irc client on.
[03:31] <simosx> But I'll ping popey anyone.
[03:32] <bcurtiswx> simosx: awesome, thx a lot :)
[03:32] <simosx> bcurtiswx: cool. talk to you later.
[03:33] <bcurtiswx> simosx: you too, g'night
[08:37] <popey> simosx & bcurtiswx my apologies, memory failed last night. Done.
[12:46] <vishu> hello how could i get cloaked
[12:48] <jpds> vishu: ubuntu/member cloak or just a normal one?
[12:48] <vishu> means i am using ubuntu9.04
[12:49] <bazhang> !cloak
[12:49] <bazhang> vishu, ^^
[12:49] <vishu> wat should i do to get cloak
[12:49] <bazhang> vishu, read the link?
[12:50] <vishu> yeah unaffiliated?
[12:50] <bazhang> once you are finished then ask in #freenode
[12:51] <vishu> "/stats p"no one is there
[12:51] <bazhang> just ask the question, and someone will see it and answer there
[12:52] <vishu> there is no staff
[12:52] <vishu> what is that ubuntu member?
[12:52] <ziroday> just ask, and someone will get to you shortly
[12:52] <ziroday> !member
[12:54] <vishu> i am to new to coding how can i contibute to ubuntu??
[12:54] <ziroday> !contribute
[12:56] <vishu> i can do some help to newbies in getting them settled in ubuntu
[12:57] <vishu> ofcourse i encourage my friends to port to ubuntu
[12:58] <vishu> can i get it?
[12:58] <bazhang> get what?
[13:08] <bazhang> vishu, /join #freenode and ask for a cloak
[13:09] <bazhang> vishu__, /join #freenode and ask for a cloak there
[14:15] <ubot2> In #ubuntu-ops, Seeker` said: +1 isn't support either, is it?
[14:15] <Seeker`> oh shut up
[14:16] <ubot2> In #ubuntu-ops, Myrtti said: +1 is support in a way
[14:16] <bazhang> hehe
[15:45] <bcurtiswx> hi all, is there someone here who can set an IRC cloak for me? https://launchpad.net/~bcurtiswx
[15:46] <nhandler> bcurtiswx: Have you followed all of the steps on http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup ?
[15:47] <bcurtiswx> nhandler: yup :)
[15:47] <nhandler> bcurtiswx: Great. Now you just need to wait for Pricey or nalioth
[15:48] <bcurtiswx> nhandler: ok, thx
[17:02]  * bcurtiswx pokes Pricey and nalioth
[17:14] <Pricey> bcurtiswx: done
[17:14] <bcurtiswx> Pricey: much appreciated, thank you
[17:47] <simosx> Hi All. I would like to get the ubuntu IRC cloak for my nick. I am https://launchpad.net/~simosx
[17:47] <simosx> I followed the steps at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup
[19:00] <erUSUL> simosx: nalioth Pricey ?? ^^^^
[19:00] <simosx> ping Pricey, nalioth
[19:18] <simosx> cool, tnx!
[20:40] <Pricey> erUSUL: elky may also get cloaks granted.


[00:00] <slangasek> nacc: ok.  I think this is something that ought to be filed as a bug against pkg-php-tools as well
[00:00] <nacc> slangasek: yep, i'll take it as  followup
[00:21] <nacc> slangasek: ok, just subscribed you to my last set for the day
[00:21] <nacc> by my count, we've only got 22 more revdeps
[00:21] <nacc> jgrimm: --^
[00:27] <slangasek> ah, of course, a fix for operator precedence change; I remember all the work we had to do when C99 support came out that we had to do to update our operator precedence rules, it stands to reason the same thing would apply to php7
[00:28] <nacc> slangasek: :)
[00:28] <nacc> php was ... inconsistent before? i guess
[00:29] <nacc> so they are now consistent, but means that the implicit way things work before is not true anymore
[00:29] <nacc> from waht i could gather, "good" php code never shoudl have been affected... :)
[00:29] <slangasek> so it's getting better?  ok, I guess I can allow them that
[00:31] <nacc> :)
[02:06] <nacc> slangasek: have a great weekend! looking forward to being done with php5 next week :)
[08:29] <TJ-> Can anyone make sense of this potentially serious security/DoS issue after installing/enabling libapache2-mod-php5? A user reported this early hours of today in #ubuntu+1. User's 'sudo' group membership was somehow removed. Captured in http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/15585996/
[14:58] <Unit193> Is anyone currently active?  Newsbeuter that was uploaded into Debian now covers the delta we have (memleak fix) plus an additional segfault fix or two.  It'd really benefit a sync at little to no cost as it's not seeded.
[15:01] <Unit193> If not, well the memleak was pretty awful so that fix is good, and one segfault is only in translations so if you're American no problem. :>
[15:07] <ginggs> Unit193: requestsync please
[15:09] <Unit193> ginggs: Heh, was worth a shot.  Sure, will do.
[15:10] <ginggs> Unit193: at least you know there's someone who might look at it now.
[15:10] <Unit193> \o/
[15:19] <ginggs> Unit193: I see your name on LP: 1406825
[15:20] <Unit193> ginggs: Old report, yeah.  I suppose you've seen all the noise in Debian then. :P
[15:21] <ginggs> yeah :) so how did you fix it in ubuntu?
[15:23] <Unit193> I don't remember if we just ended up updating it or adding the patch, but last time I merged it there was no patch.
[15:25] <Unit193> So, Lubuntu users are going to hit it half way through Xenial. :/
[15:34] <ginggs> ah, ok and 5.15 in trusty doesn't have the time bomb yet
[15:35] <Unit193> Not sure if it was lost or what, I remember looking into it.  Also, https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file/openSUSE:13.2:Update/xscreensaver.4176/xscreensaver-disable-upgrade-nagging-message.patch
[17:35] <Bluefoxicy> Bah, no BFQ in Xenial :(
[18:27] <Bluefoxicy> libenchant1c2a:amd64 depends on libhunspell-1.3-0v5 (>= 1.3.3) Xenial
[20:10] <Laney> doko: I'm not that happy with skipping glib2.0's testsuite - and it wasn't a first build (if it was then it would have migrated).
[20:10] <Laney> Something external obviously broke it and now we don't have visibility of that problem
[23:19] <Unit193> ginggs: There we go, finally picked up: #1565370.


[15:25] <penguin42> so, what do you buy from Wilko?
[19:11] <zxmpi> looking at their site, tupperware and pyrex? :-P
[19:27] <daftykins> i feel like i went in one once during my time on the mainland, can't recall what i did
[19:27] <daftykins> oh i might have bought a clock!
[19:50] <penguin42> it was quite convenient in the centre of manc


[00:00] <Myrtti> shouldbt try to op with irssi on my mobile, but...
[00:01] <IdleOne> done
[00:01] <Myrtti> listening to snoring is boring
[00:01] <Myrtti> thanks
[00:10] <Myrtti> hrm
[00:11] <Myrtti> that root doesnt bode well...
[00:13] <h00k> er, no, it doesn't
[00:14] <Myrtti> saw the hostname?
[00:14] <h00k> root<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[00:15] <h00k> Not sure...what that domain is. Let's see how Google translates it.
[00:15] <Myrtti> its not real, but i bet theyre counting on confusion
[00:15] <Myrtti> state crime police
[00:16] <h00k> yeah...
[00:16] <Myrtti> to be real it should be .se, .no or .dk
[00:16] <h00k> it redirects to a .se, anyway, but I see what you mean
[00:16] <Myrtti> well, cant do anything yet
[00:17] <Myrtti> just wait and see
301 Moved Permanently</title></head>
[00:17] <h00k> when you curl that URL
[00:18] <Myrtti> eyes peeled... until i drop
[00:18] <h00k> mine as well, until the LoCo meeting in an hour and 40 minutes
[00:19] <h00k> and inbetween learning some ruby
[00:25] <h00k> I'll be honest, I probably won't eb watching too close, I need to get my irssi-notify back.
[00:31] <Myrtti> gnite
[02:04] <IdleOne> I sorta remember letsgo67 being told before about not abusing the bot
[02:04] <h00k> recently?
[02:05] <IdleOne> no but not that long ago.
[02:05] <IdleOne> least I think I remember that
[07:23] <OrangePeel> hello
[07:23] <OrangePeel> !help
[07:24] <Jordan_U> OrangePeel: Hi. Is there anything we can help you with?
[07:25] <OrangePeel> I need to be unbanned from an irc network and the only way to is to change Mac Adress.
[07:25] <OrangePeel> Why... So I can be unbanned because some asshole used my name and trolled his ass off for 6 hours on my name, they think I'm him and Ked me
[07:25] <OrangePeel> sorry for language
[07:25] <OrangePeel> I have repeadedly tryed to contact admin staff on site but no one will type back
[07:25] <Jordan_U> We can only help with bans in Ubuntu core channels.
[07:25] <OrangePeel> oh wow
[07:25] <OrangePeel> lol
[07:25] <OrangePeel> didn't know you were her....
[07:26] <OrangePeel> right
[07:26] <OrangePeel> It's not from this server or any you would think of unless you like plants
[07:26] <OrangePeel> That's the only reason I'm trying to get unbanned
[07:26] <OrangePeel> to get back in to talk ot the admin myself
[07:26] <mneptok> OrangePeel: we cannot help you.
[07:27] <OrangePeel> Well, I'm saying, if someone can, thanks....Don't ban me though for asking
[07:28] <OrangePeel> That's why I"m here, to not ban me for asking....
[07:29] <Jordan_U> See #ubuntu for some context on that.
[07:54] <Jordan_U> Any idea what's up with "linux" in #ubuntu?
[08:01] <dholbach> hiya
[08:02] <Jordan_U> Hi.
[08:02] <dholbach> should #ubuntu-az be an invite only channel?
[08:04] <Myrtti> probably not. Azerbaijan ubuntuists ... wow
[08:04] <rww> unless there isn't an Azerbaijan LoCo and it was closed to stop -us-az people joining accidentally
[08:04]  * rww has no idea
[08:05] <dholbach> the loco seems to be a bit inactive, but there's also a ubuntu-az@ mailing list which suggests there at least were plans at some stage :)
[08:08] <Jordan_U> dholbach: I don't see #ubuntu-az in the list of Ubuntu channels on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList so it might just be that someone on a whim "created" (joined) the channel and made it invite only.
[08:09] <rww> nope, it's registered by vorian/stalcup
[08:09] <dholbach> Jordan_U, alright
[08:09] <Jordan_U> dholbach: Well, my theory was just shot down by rww :)
[08:13] <rww> Jordan_U: Judging from bantracker, JackOfHearts is marcusdavidus ban-evading. I'll let you deal with it, since you banned him last ;P
[08:14] <dholbach> Jordan_U, rww: is there anything that should be done about that channel?
[08:15] <Myrtti> if it is owned by irc council then its easy
[08:15] <rww> dholbach: Speaking as a non-IRCC person, if nobody wants to use it, I'd leave it. If someone does, /msg Steve and ask him to transfer foundership, and ask IRCC if he doesn't respond.
[08:16] <dholbach> ok - it's really hard to know if anybody wants to use it if they can't join it :)
[08:17] <rww> true
[08:25] <rww> Jordan_U: If/when he ban-evades again, I think I'll try freenode $x ban syntax. Will be a new and exciting experience.
[08:26] <Jordan_U> rww: Not familiar with that.
[08:26] <rww> http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtm . I think +b<EMAIL_ADDRESS>oughta do it.
[08:27] <rww> since they're on some sort of dynamic hostname ISP, but their realname stays the same.
[08:27] <rww> or I could be completely wrong about the syntax. We'll see ;D
[08:28] <Jordan_U> What I'm worried about right now is that I suspect that JackOfHearts gave malicious "advice" to MAGIK_NINJA in PM. I've already PM'd MAGIK_NINJA warning him, so I guess there's not much else that can be done :(
[08:29] <rww> ugh. didn't notice they were PMing :(
[08:31] <Jordan_U> "00:09 < JackOfHearts>  come on querry /private chat/" in #ubuntu
[08:59] <marcusdavidus> hello
[08:59] <rww> hi
[09:00] <marcusdavidus> srsy chill down with bansticks ppl
[09:01] <rww> Stop violating freenode policy by ban-evading, then.
[09:01] <marcusdavidus> violating? i just make one rm -rf/ joke
[09:01] <marcusdavidus>  pff
[09:01] <marcusdavidus>  chillut
[09:01] <marcusdavidus> if some oen is sutpid enought to type sudo /rm -rf / his foult
[09:02] <marcusdavidus> not mine
[09:02] <rww> Actually, looking at our bantracker, you were first banned for trolling and bad language, insulting an operator when he asked you to stop, a few counts of ban evasion, and then giving out dangerous commands as you just mentioned.
[09:03] <rww> None of these are acceptable behavior.
[09:04] <rww> and that's just the stuff from this year :(
[09:06] <rww> If I were you, I'd take a break from #ubuntu for a week or so without attempting to change your hostname and join as a demonstration of good faith, and then come back when IdleOne's around and talk to him, since he set the first of your series of bans.
[09:15] <Myrtti> so...
[09:41] <Myrtti> marcusdavidus: so, you could return here later.
[09:43] <rww> Guest55352: Fix your internets ;(
[10:31] <Jordan_U> 02:27 -!- YouKay [~Aryan@unaffiliated/rocket16] has left #ubuntu ["Salutations to mother Indenia! Victory to the Aryans!"] << Any idea what that's supposed to mean?
[10:31] <rww> It means that rocket16 needs another talking to about the appropriateness of his race-related comments :(
[10:32] <rww> He previously found it amusing to combine open source and Nazi slogans :\
[10:35] <Jordan_U> rww: Are you going to deal with it?
[10:36] <rww> If I notice them online, I'll give them a PM about it, yes.
[10:37] <Jordan_U> Doesn't merit a ban forward?
[10:39] <rww> not imho
[10:40] <Jordan_U> Ok.
[10:42] <marcusdavidus> or i just  start to use proxys and play in :ban me if u can
[10:44] <rww> Someone else feel like taking this? I'm about to go to sleep.
[10:51] <rww> mkay then
[10:51] <rww> marcusdavidus: As I've already mentioned, continuing to ban-evade wouldn't help matters for you at all.
[10:52] <marcusdavidus> whatever. is notlike im here to gain help im actually tryng to help. and trolling ubu n00bs is always fun
[10:54] <popey> that's not what we consider acceptable behaviour in our channels marcusdavidus
[10:54] <rww> uh huh. Is there any particular reason you rejoined, or can I go take a nap now?
[10:55] <marcusdavidus> srsly ?? may i start  to cry now ?
[10:55] <marcusdavidus>  ror i just go emerge something
[10:55] <marcusdavidus> ...
[10:55] <marcusdavidus> hihi
[10:55] <marcusdavidus> on real distro
[10:55] <marcusdavidus> :P cheers
[10:56] <rww> well, that's that. he's persuaded me. time to switch to gentoo.
[10:56] <rww> 'night all
[11:07] <elky> hah
[12:08] <jussi> !staff | marcusdavids threatening to ban evade.
[12:36] <nhandler> jussi: Has he actually evaded yet?
[12:37] <jussi> nhandler: not as yet, (that i have seen)
[12:37] <Myrtti> i though he has
[12:37] <Myrtti> just before coming here
[12:38] <Myrtti> rww removed heaps of bans that were uneffective coz of ip changing
[12:42] <gnomefreak> Myrtti: if any were mine, thank you
[12:58] <Myrtti> uhhuh.
[12:59] <Myrtti> wubi for ubuntu server...
[13:14] <knome> lol, that should be forbidden :P
[14:07] <IdleOne> nhandler: right now my logs show 4 different hosts for JackOfHearts/marcusdavidus
[14:07] <IdleOne> but I think the latest ban might be working.
[14:47] <Myrtti> I'm so tempted to say something about "you clearly know what you are doing so why are you asking for help
[14:51] <IdleOne> to who?
[14:53] <Myrtti> arunkumar413
[14:53] <IdleOne> has no clue what he is doing, probably look at fedora forum and trying to install stuff on Ubuntu
[14:54] <Myrtti> or "you clearly must know what you are doing since you've decided to ignore all the advice given to you, so why are you asking here for help"
[14:55] <IdleOne> I am just not going to help him. I gave him two links to the proper way of installing java and libre office and he insists on using .bin files and rpms
[15:43] <alabd> Good day all , IdleOne , hello , you have asked ops's to check my behavior in #ubuntu-ir , is it checked ?
[15:54] <IdleOne> Hello Visuex, how can we help you?
[15:54] <Visuex> #ubuntu has had some people causing issues...cursing at users and talking off topic and basically being evil. (chanserv banned some of them somehow) but the channel seems to be unmodded
[15:54] <Myrtti> it's not unmodded
[15:55] <Visuex> oh I see...didnt notice you were a mod...my bad
[15:56] <Visuex> thanks for taking care of that Myrtti back to channel :)
[16:00] <Myrtti> hold on.
[16:00] <Myrtti> that's the problem maker from yesterday
[16:03] <IdleOne> aren't you supposed to be skiing Pici ?
[16:03] <Pici> IdleOne: I'm in Vermont at least
[16:03] <Tm_T> no excuses
[16:04] <IdleOne> get off the interwebs and go play
[16:04] <Pici> I'm watchning my brother play Wii Fit
[16:04] <gord> great entertainment
[16:11] <Myrtti> different ip address but same ident
[16:11] <Myrtti> and same annoying attitude
[16:12] <Myrtti> keep an eye on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:12] <Myrtti> keep an eye on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:12] <Myrtti> need food, blood circulation gone from fingers, can't type
[16:15] <Myrtti> !enter > tino
[16:24] <alabd> IdleOne:  hello , am back
[16:26] <Myrtti> joined with a new nickname that starts with By_
[16:49] <IdleOne> alabd: at this time I don't have more info but you can email the IRCC and ask them of the status of your appeal.
[17:00] <Pici> I banforwarded ka1ser to ##fix_your_connection and sent a pm and memo about it.
[17:03] <LjL> he seems to have stopped doing it though, i have him in #android
[17:04] <Pici> Yeah, it said he read his memo.
[17:30] <alabd> IdleOne: this<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:30] <Myrtti> yes, that
[17:56] <alabd> thanks
[19:12] <gnomefreak> why is #ubuntu-irc-helpers invite only?
[20:34] <Jordan_U> The !list factoid has been popular recently.
[23:02] <rww> nhandler, jussi: Yes. Search BT for neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl, and note that all the (Removed) bans from this year were removed /after/ he ban-evaded them.
[23:02] <rww> so that's what, four? but yeah, latest one seems to be keeping him out.
[23:08] <IdleOne> Jordan_U: seems it is a lot of users from .it doing !list
[23:08] <rww> I don't remember the last time it wasn't a .it user :\
[23:09] <IdleOne> well I didn't want to blame just one group of people but yeah.
[23:09] <IdleOne> it is .it
[23:20] <gnomefreak> but !list doesnt really give you much it seems to just be a list of plugins for bot
[23:23] <IdleOne> !list
[23:23] <rww> Anyone have thoughts on !libreoffice is <reply> Current stable releases of Ubuntu use OpenOffice.org, and do not have supported packaging for LibreOffice. Ubuntu developers are working on packaging for Ubuntu Natty and backports for 10.10 and 10.04. See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-January/032298.html for more information on progress and an unstable, unsupported PPA.
[23:23] <IdleOne> +1 from me rww
[23:24] <rww> gnomefreak: It used to be. Got changed to what ubottu just said because it was pretty much only used by people looking for filesharing bots :(
[23:26] <tonyyarusso> works for me
[23:27] <gnomefreak> rww: ah ok
[23:29] <rww> !libreoffice is <reply> Current stable releases of Ubuntu use OpenOffice.org, and do not have supported packaging for LibreOffice. Ubuntu developers are working on packaging for Ubuntu Natty and backports for 10.10 and 10.04. See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-January/032298.html for more information on progress and an unstable, unsupported PPA.
[23:30] <rww> !openoffice =~ s/For.*$/User help available in #openoffice.org./
[23:33] <gnomefreak> 18,345 emails and still downloading more :(
[23:36] <gnomefreak> are they compatible with each other?
[23:36] <rww> OO.o and LibreOffice? Nope, you need to remove OO.o before installing LO. The email I linked notes that.
[23:37] <rww> ah, no, it notes the other way around. hrm.
[23:37] <gnomefreak> oh ok. im still waiting for page to open
[23:37] <IdleOne> on 10.10 the install of LO removes OO
[23:38] <IdleOne> I just did it a few minutes ago
[23:38] <elky> is it worth requesting a removed timestamp do you think?
[23:38] <rww> it either removes them or you get dependency errors and it doesn't install LO. Either way, it doesn't break things.
[23:39] <gnomefreak> i just hope they have same features and supported extensions
[23:40] <IdleOne> gnomefreak: http://www.libreoffice.org/features/
[23:41] <gnomefreak> IdleOne: thanks
[23:41] <rww> There shouldn't be much difference other than whatever bug fixes specifically went into LO. Ubuntu's OO.o packaging already includes Go-OO, aiui.
[23:41] <IdleOne> rww: there is also a #libreoffice
[23:42] <IdleOne> here on freenode
[23:42] <rww> hrm. is it a support channel or a dev channel?
[23:43] <IdleOne> hmm
[23:43] <IdleOne> asking to make sure
[23:44] <rww> In completely different news, #ubuntu-s banlist is back to about 50% full. Might be a good milestone to review bans set in there ;)
[23:44] <rww> s/-/'/
[23:44] <gnomefreak> yay another channel to play in :/
[23:45] <gnomefreak> Myrtti* did that earlier i think
[23:46] <IdleOne> rww: from #libreoffice
 nah, this channel is not for end user support, in general.
 at least we don't advertise it as such.
[23:46] <IdleOne> more of a dev channel but they do help if someone is around and they feel like it.
[23:46] <gnomefreak> than where does support go to?
[23:47] <IdleOne> kohei> we generally route those questions to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>mailing list.
[23:47] <rww> IdleOne: best leave it off the factoid, then. I don't think sending users of crack PPA builds upstream is a good idea anyway.
[23:47] <gnomefreak> makes sense
[23:47] <IdleOne> agreed
[23:48] <gnomefreak> a PPA would be great for testing at least for me
[23:48] <IdleOne> kohei is @ in there btw
[23:48] <IdleOne> gnomefreak: there is a PPA
[23:49] <IdleOne> see !libreoffice
[23:49] <IdleOne> :-)
[23:49] <rww> gnomelogger: :(
[23:50] <gnomefreak> i havent read the ML post yet
[23:54] <gnomelogger> :D
[23:54] <gnomelogger> it happens at times
[23:58] <rww> TIL: those numbers to the left of bans in irssi change when you remove a ban :\
[23:59] <IdleOne> that makes it harder


[10:27] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce-announce:: ANNOUNCE: xfce4-session 4.18.1 released<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:27] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce-announce:: ANNOUNCE: xfce4-power-manager 4.18.1 released<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:29] <JackFrost> https://release.debian.org/testing/freeze_policy.html#soft I don't think I'll be picking any more up...


[00:06] <Lex79> neversfelde: thanks about kmldonkey
[00:06] <neversfelde> Lex79: I did nothing more then writing a mail :)
[00:06] <Lex79> :)
[00:44] <apachelogger>   case `eval "expr \"\$"$1"\" "` in
[00:44] <apachelogger>     "en_GB" )
[00:44] <apachelogger>       eval "$1=\"engb\"";;
[00:44] <apachelogger>   esac
[00:45] <apachelogger> bash is fun :D
[00:51] <claydoh> apachelogger: it's all Greek to me, or German even :)
[00:52]  * claydoh is the old dog  who can't learn new tricks
[00:56] <neversfelde> it's not german, I can guarantee :)
[00:56] <claydoh> Actually I have a packaging question
[00:57] <claydoh> if I want to package kmymoney2's kde4 version and not have it conflict with the kde3 version, how would I tackle that?
[00:58] <claydoh> I know I would need to make the kde4 version's executable kmymoney-kde4 or similar, menu entries etc
[00:58] <claydoh> but I have no clue where to look on how to accomplish this (old dogs and all)
[01:54] <jjesse> question in karmic i'm trying to download a new splash screen theme with Get Hot New Stuff, the theme I already want is shown as installed, however  it is not listed in the list of available splash screen themese
[02:26] <jjesse> any ideas on my last message?
[03:14] <DarkwingDuck> Lucid question... I open KMail and Akodani freezes... Any ideas?
[03:33] <Tm_T> DarkwingDuck: no ideas
[03:33] <Tm_T> jjesse: are those themes valid?
[03:37] <DarkwingDuck> *grumbles* I need to get some info on Akodani
[03:38] <Tm_T> DarkwingDuck: you might like to launch kmail and akonadi from konsole to get some related output perhaps
[03:39] <DarkwingDuck> No, I ran akodani server and there are errors throught the SQL
[03:40] <DarkwingDuck> throughout rather
[03:40] <jjesse> Tm_T:  i would assume they are?  otherwise why would they be presented to be downloaded and installed?
[03:41] <Tm_T> jjesse: well, GHNS lists whatever is in kde-look.org, it installs whatever contains correctly looking files...
[03:41] <Tm_T> doesn't mean they are correct or valid in any way
[03:41] <jjesse> hrmm ok
[03:53] <jjesse> just disappointed that the theme doesn't match all the way
[04:00] <Tm_T> roll your own!
[05:19] <claydoh> omg my little blog post got mentioned on Distrowatch!
[05:23] <DarkwingDuck> Anyone else had any problems with Akodani server in 10.04?
[08:29] <apachelogger> claydoh: your one about unicorns?
[08:29]  * apachelogger should blog about unicorns
[08:33] <ghostcube> when the .... and the laaast unicorn ... dumdidum
[08:33] <ghostcube> :)
[09:18] <apachelogger> ghostcube: *sob*
[09:29] <ghostcube> :)
[09:34] <Riddell> time to upload 4.4.1?
[09:34] <Riddell> neversfelde: what bug is this?
[09:35] <Riddell> "Your membership in irc-kubuntu-ops is about to expire" jussi01 still about to expire?
[09:35] <jussi01> Riddell: have you checked it on LP?  you have just over 10 hours
[09:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: the bug where blogilo wants to get upgraded all the time
[09:36] <jussi01> Riddell: yeah, looks like you still need to renew
[09:38] <jussi01> Riddell: theres a few for you, here included.
[09:38] <jussi01> its self renewal, so you need to click the link in the emails
[11:03] <dpm> apachelogger, Riddell, hi. I've just talked to danilo about fixing the wrong translation templates in bug 529483. I've given him the pattern apachelogger gave me yesterday to identify such templates, and he'll see if he can come up with a list of templates/source packages which need rebuilding against the new pkg-kde-tools
[11:07] <dpm> apachelogger, Riddell, well, that was quick, so here is the list of potentially affected source packages -> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/386914/ Obviously only the Kubuntu ones built with pkg-kde-tools are affected
[11:08] <Riddell> I'm just about to upload many of those with KDE 4.4.1
[11:09] <Trouble> 4.4.1 \o/
[11:10] <Riddell> now if only we could get someone on karmic to test it
[11:12] <Tm_T> Riddell: mmm, Qt 4.6.2 too?
[11:12] <Riddell> not in karmic
[11:13] <Tm_T> hmm, so in Lucid there's this with Amarok atleast? https://bugs.kde.org/227639 && http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-6932
[11:19] <Trouble> Riddell: If you're putting 4.4.1 in staging or something I can test it on Karmic (Netbook)
[11:20] <Riddell> msg'ed
[11:36] <dpm> Riddell, apachelogger, that was a list for all series and in the staging database (a few days behind). Here's the list of potentially affected packages for Lucid and the production database => http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/386927/ . This should give you an idea of which packages need rebuilding (fortunately, it seems it's not too many). Please let me know if you need anything else.
[12:16] <Trouble> In 4.4.1, KDE's System Activity isn't showing any CPU usage now, otherwise it seems to fine so far
[12:20] <apachelogger> dpm: thanks
[12:21] <dpm> no worries :)
[12:34] <Trouble> KDE 4.4.1 to be officially released in about 5.5 hours apparently \o/
[12:45] <dpm> apachelogger, I also saw bug 530103, but I have no idea what a .kcfg file is. Do you think the issue described there is also caused by the templates bug, or is it something else? If it's the same problem, I'll just mark it as duplicate
[12:46] <apachelogger> dpm: qutie possibly, kcfg is to describe kconfig relations, but also using xml markup
[12:46] <apachelogger> http://developer.kde.org/documentation/tutorials/kconfigxt/kconfigxt.html
[12:46] <dpm> ok, thanks
[13:54] <claydoh> apachelogger: no, the one about puppies, kittens, buttterflies, and how a guy named Harald is is super awesome
[13:55] <claydoh> the one just before the "kubuntu devs are all highly attractive"
[13:58] <Riddell> claydoh: you haven't blogged in over a year according to http://jakeandgus.blogspot.com/
[14:02] <claydoh> Riddell: moved to wordpress http://dohbuoy.wordpress.com
[14:03] <claydoh> wordpress works better with blogilo :)
[14:04] <claydoh> tho  I am not a big blogger.
[14:47] <Quintasan> \o
[15:03] <shadeslayer> ryanakca: have you seen this? : http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Kubuntu+web+page+mockup?content=109869
[15:43] <Mamarok_> hm, blogilo apparently doesn't remember that it has been updated
[15:43] <Mamarok_> it stays in the upgradeables list
[17:25] <dantti> Riddell: tomorrow there will be a new Pk 0.5 release, I fixed aptcc to not alow essential packages to be removed, although not many ppl use it I think it's pretty important to update...
[17:25] <Riddell> if it's not a feature release that's no problem
[17:25] <Riddell> just point us at it
[17:27] <dantti> ok, I send you the link tomorrow..
[17:50] <Mamarok> Riddell: don't forget to renew your ops memberships...
[17:50] <Riddell> mm, yes
[17:50] <Riddell> faff
[17:57] <DarkwingMobile> riddell: you about?
[17:58] <Riddell> hi DarkwingMobile
[17:58] <Riddell> kde-l10n is eating my hard disk!
[17:59] <DarkwingMobile> question, anyone mention problems with akonadi when upgrading to lucid?
[18:00] <Riddell> yes I believe apachelogger was moaning about that
[18:01] <DarkwingMobile> sql keeps failing out from old settings I'm assuming but, on a fresh install it seems to work just fine
[18:02] <DarkwingMobile> alright. ill toss up a bug and talk to him. maybe we can resolve something
[18:09] <darkwing-mobile> apachelogger: you about?
[18:19] <Tm_T> KDE sc 4.4.1 released (:
[18:21] <Riddell> building in lucid
[18:21] <Riddell> will copy to karmic PPA shortly
[18:22] <darkwing-mobile> nice.
[18:22] <darkwing-mobile> ive gotta find a way to disable akodani
[18:23] <darkwing-mobile> akoadni rather
[18:23] <Tm_T> akonadi?
[18:24] <darkwing-mobile> yeah. upgrade to lucid crashed the sql server
[18:25] <darkwing-mobile> small keyboard
[18:27] <darkwing-mobile> actually what i need to do is dig deeper in learning to manipulate it and see if i can figure a fix
[18:30] <darkwing-mobile> hmmmm. wonder if the 9.10 fix will work...
[18:33] <darkwing-mobile> nixternal: you around?
[18:38] <nixternal> darkwing-mobile: kind of
[18:41] <darkwing-mobile> nixternal: you have a chance to go over the needs this weekend?
[18:42] <nixternal> no I didn't...my aunt passed away so I have been really busy with family obligations
[18:44] <apachelogger> Riddell: you might wanna hold up on kde-l10n for lucid
[18:44] <darkwing-mobile> oh im sorry bro. shoot me an email on what i can do as im at work on my phone lol
[18:44] <Riddell> apachelogger: why?
[18:44] <apachelogger> Riddell: I am working on a novel approach to break rosetta
[18:44] <apachelogger> erm to packaging the l10n stuff ;)
[18:44] <Riddell> it's already uploaded I'm afraid
[18:45] <apachelogger> hm, doesn't matter then
[18:47] <darkwing-mobile> apachelogger: u had problems with akonadi?
[18:47] <apachelogger> no
[18:47] <apachelogger> everyone is
[18:47] <Tm_T> ?
[18:47] <apachelogger> it's just that everyone in here does not listen to me when I try to communicate what the problem is :P
[18:48] <apachelogger> Tm_T: create a new user and start kontact
[18:48] <Tm_T> apachelogger: hmm, but trunk kmail is so buggy yet ):
[18:48] <darkwing-mobile> lol my server keeps hanging on me with crashes. id tinker but it locks out kmail and i kinda need that lol
[18:59] <Lex79> Riddell: still remaining to upload from ninja: virtuosoconverter, kopete-cryptography, ktorrent, eigen2, plasma-widget-smoothtasks
[19:00] <Riddell> Lex79: to upload to ninja you mean?
[19:01] <Riddell> eigen2 seems to be in ninjas
[19:01] <Lex79> uhm :) no you have to grab those packages ^^ from ninja and upload to archive
[19:01] <Riddell> oh upload to lucid?
[19:01] <Lex79> yes please
[19:02] <Riddell> groovy
[19:02] <Riddell> Lex79: ok to copy packages over to backports PPA for karmic?
[19:02] <Lex79> yes, it's ok for me
[19:03] <shtylman_> is there a reason dput to my ppa would say it uploaded everything but then I don't see it in my actual ppa?
[19:03] <Riddell> shtylman_: maybe the gpg signature isn't being accepted (in which case you won't get an e-mail either, it would be spam)
[19:04] <shtylman_> hmm
[19:04] <shtylman_> Riddell: some way to check?
[19:07] <neversfelde> did someone manage to fix that bilbo/blogilo problem? Sorry was busy all day and couldn't do anything Kubuntu related.
[19:08] <Lex79> neversfelde: I fixed, I hope... :)
[19:08] <neversfelde> Lex79: it is Replaces: bilbo (<= 1.0) again?
[19:09] <Lex79> neversfelde: and conflicts too, since bilbo <= 1.0 is gone, and blogilo replaces entirely bilbo
[19:10] <Lex79> maybe you forgot to add "conflicts"
[19:10] <neversfelde> Lex79: ok, I can test if that fixes the overwirte problem when upgrading bilbo > blogilo
[19:10] <Lex79> thanks
[19:11] <Riddell> shtylman_: put the .dsc file somewhere and I can check if they validate locally
[19:13] <shtylman_> Riddell: http://shtylman.com/stuff/libunwind_0.99-0.2ubuntu1~ppa1.dsc
[19:15] <Riddell> gpg: Signature made Tue 02 Mar 2010 18:55:21 GMT using RSA key ID 3875DC6D
[19:15] <Riddell> 301E8E7B
[19:15] <Riddell> launchpad says  OpenPGP keys:
[19:16] <Riddell> shtylman_: so they don't match
[19:16] <shtylman_> oh...maybe I didn't add the key to teh openpgp keys section... only ssh keys section
[19:17] <shtylman_> Riddell: keys are complicated... why can't we just trust people :)
[19:17] <Riddell> I know, the internet is always friendly, it all seems so unnecessary
[19:17] <shtylman_> indeed
[19:19]  * Trouble keeps a suspicious eye on Riddell
[19:20] <Riddell> hmm, packaged copied from ninjas to backports but it calls it a "delayed copy" and nothing has showed up
[19:22] <Lex79> they are there now
[19:23] <Lex79> good :)
[19:27] <ejat> JontheEchidna: i just notice lately .. my knetworkmanager got problem ..
[19:27] <ejat> using wired , wireless @ broadband
[19:27] <ejat> its keep "Activating ....."
[19:28] <ejat> i think after i upgrade to alpha3 ..
[19:28] <yuriy_work> mine i think just keeps showing the icon that looks like it's activiating
[19:29] <ejat> yuriy_work: yeah .. correct
[19:29] <shtylman_> Riddell: ok...so I added a new key which matches and did another dput
[19:29] <shtylman_> Riddell: does it take time for the package to show up in the ppa listof packages?
[19:29] <shtylman_> (not built immediately I know that)
[19:30] <shtylman_> but I should still see the source package right?
[19:30] <shtylman_> Riddell: oh nvm
[19:31] <shtylman_> Riddell: it finally showed up
[19:31] <shtylman_> guess it took some time
[19:36] <Lex79> Riddell: seems you didn't copy Qt 4.6.2 to backports, I'm going to copy it and see if there are other packages missing
[19:36] <shtylman_> Riddell: more annoying ppa questions: what if a base package does not exist? what am I supposed to make the changelog version line look like?
[19:42] <Lex79> Riddell: the "delayed copy" was really delayed :) now all packages are in backports
[19:44] <Mamarok> Riddell: don't forget to renew your ops memberships... running out in 4 hours from now :(
[20:05] <shtylman_> wow kde 4.4.1 is already here
[20:06] <shtylman_> that was fast
[20:12] <jussi01> shtylman_: it sure was, when did that sneak up?
[20:12] <shtylman_> released today
[20:12]  * jussi01 waits for it to hit luxcid...
[20:13] <jussi01> lucid even
[20:13] <shtylman_> heh
[20:15] <shtylman_> http://interviews.slashdot.org/story/10/03/02/186206/Matt-Asay-Answers-Your-Questions-About-Ubuntu-and-Canonical
[20:15] <shtylman_> ^ an interesting read for all
[20:16] <shtylman_> I think its worth thinking about some of the raised kde issues... if even just to consider perception
[20:24] <Trouble> Yea, gets interesting about half way down ;-)
[21:04] <jussi01> does anyone know where amsn saves saved password info? Ive forgotten my password... :/
[21:25] <Riddell> jussi01: if it's not in kwallet it'll be in .kde/share/config/
[21:43] <Riddell> anyone tested 4.4.1 from backports PPA?
[21:45] <nixternal> Riddell: updating now to 4.4.1 from backports ppa
[21:51]  * apachelogger is wondering who is granting FFes for packages in a specific package set
[22:14] <nixternal> update completed to 4.4.1 from backports ppa, no install problems noted
[22:17] <nixternal> all looks well after reboot as well Riddell for 4.4.1 backports ppa
[22:24] <Riddell> great thanks nixternal
[22:25] <Riddell> apachelogger: me for KDE bits
[22:25] <apachelogger> hm, things are getting more comlicated really :S
[22:26] <seele> who is the maintainer of the touchpad kcm?
[22:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: is that still in affect, or do we still file FFe requests with motu release?
[22:26] <Riddell> motu release doesn't exist I believe
[22:26] <Riddell> it's all one team now
[22:26] <Riddell> seele: packager or author?
[22:26] <seele> Riddell: author
[22:26] <seele> Riddell: or whoever would be making changes
[22:27] <Riddell><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:27] <Riddell> Micha??
[22:28] <apachelogger> Riddell: just stumbled across bug 529141 which is subscribed to motu release
[22:28]  * apachelogger notes that even after years of discussion that archive reorg feels like one big messy sticky gooy thing
[22:29] <Riddell> seele: there was a thread recently on kde-core-devel about another touchpad kcontrol module synaptiks so it's not clear if kcm-touchpad is the long term future
[22:29] <seele> ah.. so stop reviewing it? heh
[22:30] <Riddell> seele: well maybe kcm-touchpad will win out, it's just not clear
[22:45] <apachelogger> Riddell: do you think it is a problem if qt build-deps on pkg-kde-tools?
[22:46] <apachelogger> currently the pot creation script for Qt is in its debian dir, but having it together with the other l10n stuff is better from a maintenance POV
[22:46] <Riddell> apachelogger: that seems fine to me
[22:47] <apachelogger> cool, I'll jump at that once I am done with fixing the broken pots and revising the kde-l10n stuff
[22:48] <apachelogger> oh my
[22:49] <apachelogger> Riddell: do you have https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/2:<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu2 in a bzr rev?
[22:49] <apachelogger> if so please push with --overwrite
[22:49]  * apachelogger also created ubuntu2 and wondered why soyuz ate it :)
[22:55] <Riddell> apachelogger: done
[22:55] <apachelogger> Riddell: thanks
[22:59] <genii> Riddell: dist-upgrade brought me to 4.4.1 but it held back kdebase-workspace and kdebase-workspace-data
[23:00] <Riddell> genii: what happens if you apt-get install kdebase-workspace-data  ?
[23:02] <genii> Riddell: I get this: http://pastebin.ca/1820120
[23:03] <genii> (chose no for the moment)
[23:06] <genii> apt-cache policy for workspace and workspace-data shows 4.4.0 installed
[23:06] <genii> (but kde is reporting as 4.4.1)
[23:07] <Riddell> genii: what happens if you  apt-get install kdebase-workspace kdebase-workspace-bin plasma-desktop ?
[23:07] <genii> one sec
[23:08] <genii> Riddell: Lots of broken packages ... I'll pastebin
[23:09] <genii> http://pastebin.ca/1820135
[23:15] <apachelogger> Riddell: where are the packages?
[23:19] <Riddell> apachelogger: what packages?
[23:19] <apachelogger> Riddell: 4.4.1
[23:19] <Riddell> in backports PPA and in lucid
[23:20] <apachelogger> hm
[23:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: thanks
[23:20]  * apachelogger pokes sources.list
[23:24] <Riddell> genii: seems to install fine for me, I'm a bit puled
[23:24] <Riddell> puzzled
[23:24] <apachelogger> same here
[23:25] <genii> If I have ppa beta and experimental on could that screw it up?
[23:25] <apachelogger> genii: can you keep on adding stuff to the install list until you hit some other dependency
[23:25] <apachelogger> i.e. add kdebase-workspace-bin to the list and try again
[23:25] <apachelogger> see if the list of broken depends grows
[23:26] <genii> apachelogger: OK, hangon
[23:26] <apachelogger> if not add klipper
[23:26] <apachelogger> ...
[23:26] <Trouble> Launchpad gave me a package size mismatch when I was installing 4.4.1 from ninja's earlier, but it the 2nd attempt to upgrade was fine.
[23:26] <apachelogger> oh cmon
[23:26] <apachelogger> -.-
[23:27] <apachelogger> internet connection at 87% of ooo
[23:28] <genii> apt-cache policy  kdebase-workspace-bin doesn't show 4.4.1 as a candidate, i think thats the prob
[23:30] <Riddell> it's certainly there
[23:30] <genii> My sources.list - http://pastebin.com/hkuRuTHd
[23:31] <Riddell> I'd get rid of beta and experimental
[23:31] <genii> OK. Is having libdevel commented out a prob?
[23:32] <Riddell> what is that?
[23:33] <genii> Riddell: Not sure, it was in there by default
[23:33] <genii> eg: #deb http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid libdevel
[23:34] <Riddell> never heard of it
[23:36] <genii> beta and experimental commented out now... update and then policy still shows no 4.4.1 version available for kdebase-workspace-bin
[23:37] <apachelogger> ohhhh!!!
[23:37] <apachelogger> genii: your mirror is probably not synced completel
[23:37] <apachelogger> y
[23:37] <apachelogger> s/ca.archive.ubuntu/archive.ubuntu/g
[23:38] <genii> apachelogger: Ah, the Canadian one is not yet up-to-date is best guess then?
[23:38] <apachelogger> yes
[23:38] <genii> OK, lemme switch to core repos and try
[23:39] <Riddell> oh you're on lucid
[23:42] <genii> Yes
[23:43] <genii> Weird, still no 4.4.1 candidate
[23:43] <apachelogger> genii: you did run apt-get update, right?
[23:43] <genii> apachelogger: Yes indeedy. Also double-checked to make sure I hadn't pinned anything
[23:45] <apachelogger> genii: no errors with update?
[23:45] <genii> apachelogger: none
[23:45] <apachelogger> then I find this all even weirder then before
[23:47]  * apachelogger notes to self: if tarballs are missing a part of the name you prolly forgot some brackets
[23:54]  * apachelogger smiles like a little child that just saw a blue headed unicorn flying up in the sky :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
[23:55] <Riddell> kdebase-runtime didn't compile on amd64 in lucid
[23:55]  * Riddell retries
[23:55] <shtylman> ;(
[23:56] <Riddell> oh roman, don't cry, it'll compile soon!
[23:57] <apachelogger> otherwise there is still gnome, that usually works :P
[23:58] <apachelogger> shtylman: does the openoffice kde stuff require any sort of translation?


[00:14] <rick_h__> evening
[00:36] <cmaloney> howdy
[00:40] <rick_h__> having fun yet?
[00:56] <cmaloney> Putting together an already late episode of OMC
[00:56] <cmaloney> So in a way, yeah.
[00:57] <rick_h__> wheee
[00:57] <rick_h__> did the student evals
[00:58] <cmaloney> Ah, cool.
[00:58] <rick_h__> not much to it in this one
[01:11] <cmaloney> Rawk! \m/
[01:25] <cmaloney> https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/UbuntuConvergenceFeedback
[01:25] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/H1gHhA - Desktop Convergence Plans Survey
[01:35] <rick_h__> intersting
[01:35] <rick_h__> interesting
[01:37] <cmaloney> Yeah,
[01:37] <cmaloney> Not sure I like the direction
[01:46] <rick_h__> holy crap, for your "it's a small world" moment of the day https://twitter.com/chcholman/status/501906093136969729
[01:46] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/eXRDhM - Twitter / chcholman: Woah, used to live on the street ...
[02:12] <cmaloney> wow
[02:20] <cmaloney> rick_h__: You should check out Imagekind
[02:20] <cmaloney> They do good work
[12:09]  * brousch cries http://stackoverflow.com/questions/25394139/saving-files-in-the-same-directory
[12:09] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/bbxOT9 - python - Saving Files in the Same Directory - Stack Overflow
[12:33] <rick_h__> morning and yay I get to go to CHC tonight!
[12:34] <wollfger> morning
[12:51] <jrwren_> cmaloney: which direction do you dislike?
[12:52] <jrwren_> cmaloney: click packages?
[13:02] <rick_h__> jcastro: thanks goodness you obeyed the signs and didn't jump in
[13:15] <cmaloney> Good morning
[13:16] <rick_h__> party
[13:16] <cmaloney> jrwren_: I fear Mir will mess up games and the clipboard for X-based applications
[13:16] <cmaloney> Stuff like SDL need to run flawlessly.
[13:16] <jrwren_> cmaloney: oh, is THAT all? ;p
[13:17] <rick_h__> lol
[13:17] <cmaloney> I also fear having two separate package installs
[13:17] <cmaloney> much like the mess of Tablet vs Desktop under Windows.
[13:18] <cmaloney> and the sandboxing causing similar issues that we ran into under SELinux where shit breaks because someone didn't flip a bit
[13:18] <cmaloney> That's three architectural changes that as a desktop user will "change how I use Ubuntu". ;)
[13:19] <cmaloney> Note: they're not bad changes overall, but I can see the desktop side of Ubuntu getting hosed.
[13:20] <jrwren_> cmaloney: hosed more than it already is? ;]
[13:21] <cmaloney> About the only thing that I didn't care for under 14.04 was the online suggestions
[13:21] <cmaloney> and that can be easily turned off
[13:21] <cmaloney> And yes, I agree that X is a dog's breakfast and needs changing
[13:21] <jrwren_> I wonder if kubuntu, xubuntu, lubuntu will not use Xorg.
[13:21] <cmaloney> but Mir needs stringent backward compatability.
[13:22] <cmaloney> and not just "well, Qt and GTK work, so we're good"
[13:22] <jrwren_> I actually don't agree. IMO all the X extensions ruined X. I want my network transparency back!
[13:22] <jrwren_> cmaloney: port XLib to Mir ?
[13:22] <cmaloney> jrwren_: Yeah, I'm a huge fan of X network transparancy but I like my extensions. :)
[13:23] <jrwren_> I'd rather an xlib layer be a last resort. Native to whatever display is the best.
[13:30] <guy__> Greetings from exotic Lapeer, Michigan.  I've never used IRC before.  Excuse any breaches of etiquette.
[13:30] <jrwren_> guy__: greetings!
[13:30] <jrwren_> guy__: welcome from Ann Arbor.
[13:31] <rick_h__> guy__: heh, lived in lapeer for many years back in the day
[13:31] <jrwren_> guy__: My first use of IRC was 19 years ago, so no worries. :)
[13:31] <guy__> Ann Arbor - ahh....the cradle of civilization.
[13:32] <guy__> I think pot was legal there in 1943.
[13:32] <cmaloney> guy__: Hello from ~Royal Oak
[13:32] <rick_h__> graduated from east, and now I feel old realizing how long ago that was
[13:32] <guy__> Wow, Rick........we're old neighbors...
[13:32] <jrwren_> rick_h__: 20 year reunion coming up.
[13:33] <rick_h__> jrwren_: hah, I couldn't remember the names of 3 people I graduated with
[13:33] <guy__> Cool.....  I'm so old we hold our reunions at Sunset Hills Cemetary
[13:33] <cmaloney> 20 year reuinion, How quaint. :)
[13:33] <rick_h__> :P
[13:34] <guy__> Hello Royal Oak.....
[13:34] <guy__> Dead serious - I think I installed IRC on Windows about 15 years ago....used it once or something.
[13:35] <guy__> I'm 62 going on 12........STILL tinkering.
[13:35] <jrwren_> I shall now address you as pops.
[13:35] <rick_h__> lol
[13:35] <jrwren_> :)  j/k
[13:35] <guy__> Thta's fine - I keep telling my wife it "smells like old people in here..." - then I realize it's US.
[13:36] <guy__> I refuse to grow up.
[13:36] <cmaloney> Heh
[13:37] <guy__> I'm dry walling our house, and playing with all sorts of Linux distros - doin' okay for 62.
[13:38] <guy__> And I'm cheating - I threw a spare hard drive in the PC and installed something called PinguyOS - the launch thing for this was on the desktop, so, here I am....
[13:39] <jrwren_> PinguyOS eh?
[13:39] <guy__> Yeah - it's got a beautiful desktop but it's kinda sluggish....
[13:39] <guy__> Comes with a mountain of software out of the box......
[13:40] <guy__> debian based.
[13:40] <jrwren_> That was is new to me. Its interesting.
[13:40] <guy__> I had never heard of the thing - watched a YouTube video and a guy was talking about it....
[13:41] <guy__> I compiled web and mail servers on the thing...most of the packages from scratch.  I got it all working.... just a hobby.
[13:42] <guy__> Running from PingOS (well, temporarily probably): http://www.guysjoint.com
[13:42] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/mM8UgT - Guysjoint.com | Just one more idiot with a web site…..running from Ubuntu 12.04
[13:43] <guy__> Gotta sand drywall - you guys solve the world's problems......
[13:43] <guy__> and hurry up.
[14:35] <cmaloney> .np squeekyhoho
[14:35] <bookiebot> squeekyhoho's current track - Run Straight Down by Warren Zevon on The Electric Werewolf Strikes Again
[14:47] <wollfger> Is that a real album?
[15:25] <cmaloney> Not sure. I have the single that I got from the radio station in college.
[15:43] <mrgoodcat> lol
[15:43] <mrgoodcat> warren zevon ftw
[15:49] <mrgoodcat> should make a remix of sweet home alabama called sweet home illinois and use the werewolves of london original recording for the backround music
[18:19] <rick_h__> jcastro: dude that video thing is great
[18:19] <rick_h__> that's so cool how that whip that up
[18:21] <brousch> quick sqlalchemy question. I want to access the object this foreign key is linked to https://github.com/brousch/WaznexServer/blob/master/waznexserver/models.py#L97
[18:21] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/rZli9o - WaznexServer/models.py at master · brousch/WaznexServer · GitHub
[18:22] <brousch> I get the id, but can't figure out how to get the object
[18:23] <rick_h__> ugh, who named the column fk_grid_item?
[18:23] <rick_h__> brousch: you need to build a relation to it
[18:23] <brousch> I named it that probably 4 years ago
[18:23] <brousch> yeah, it sucks
[18:23] <rick_h__> https://github.com/bookieio/Bookie/blob/develop/bookie/models/auth.py#L275
[18:23] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/At7ajw - Bookie/auth.py at develop · bookieio/Bookie · GitHub
[18:24] <brousch> saying it's a foreignkey does not establish a relationship?
[18:24] <rick_h__> brousch: no, it's the background data needed to create a relationship
[18:24] <rick_h__> brousch: but you need more data to build/define it
[18:24] <rick_h__> http://docs.sqlalchemy.org/en/rel_0_9/orm/relationships.html
[18:24] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/OQX5GY - Relationship Configuration — SQLAlchemy 0.9 Documentation
[18:24] <rick_h__> brousch: ^
[18:25] <brousch> I was just looking there
[18:25] <rick_h__> notice the child = relationship("Child")
[18:25] <rick_h__> that line is how you access the child through the Parent
[18:25] <rick_h__> and that uses the fact that the FK is defined to help build that
[18:25] <rick_h__> brousch: so you just need to add a line
[18:26] <rick_h__> grid_item = Relation(GridItem)
[18:26] <rick_h__> then you can GridCell.grid_item.filename
[18:26] <rick_h__> ish
[18:33] <jcastro> rick_h__, what video thing?
[18:33] <rick_h__> jcastro: on G+ the boat
[18:33] <jcastro> oh yeah, heh
[18:35] <brousch> rick_h__: u da man
[18:36] <brousch> I'm working on http://talks.barcampgr.org/
[18:36] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/SI0WE2 - BarCampGR Session Grid
[18:36] <brousch> I use it once a year, so there's always some tweaking to get it up to date and running
[18:37] <rick_h__> brousch: gotcha, glad to be of help
[18:37] <rick_h__> glad I still remember any python :P
[18:38] <rick_h__> jcastro: yea, love you and Jill front row.