[09:49] <mvo> why oh why does ctrl-alt-f1 in failsafe mode not work?
[10:06] <jcristau> mvo: it only works if xkb does
[10:08] <jcristau> any xkb errors in the log?
[10:11] <mvo> jcristau: aha, good hint, thanks. I haven't checked, it was a unplanned boot into failsafe mode :) I wanted to get out of 800x600 as quickly as possible


[06:05] <kwwii> oooh, slashdot is down
[09:12] <vish> thorwil: kwwii: i added a re-direct from the  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/VisualIdentity  page to  Artwork/official..
[09:12] <vish> several keep asking where it went , so seemed easier than , redirecting everytime :D
[09:12] <thorwil> vish: the wiki notifcation was faster than you :)
[09:12] <vish> ;p
[09:14] <thorwil> awesome, my test messages to my new address all had been tagged as spam, leaving me wondering why forwarding didn't work
[09:15] <thorwil> would someone be so kind to send a mail with a bit of meaningless but non-spammy content to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[09:16] <vish> thorwil: sent.. ;)
[09:17] <thorwil> ty!
[09:17] <vish> grr , extra "am"  :(
[09:19] <thorwil> heh
[09:19] <thorwil> worked!
[09:20] <vish> thorwil: "self" is an odd name for you id though ;)
[09:20] <vish> your*
[09:20] <thorwil> vish: i just OKed a send receipt from the address this was forwarded to, so that should fail
[09:20] <vish> bah.. /me calls it a day!
[09:21] <vish> thorwil: i received it , from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:46] <thorwil> http://kwwii.blogspot.com/2010/06/doing-polka-step-by-step.html
[15:46] <thorwil> kwwii: nice post. what is your book going to be about?
[15:57] <kwwii> thorwil: the life and times of an under-paid designer
[15:57] <thorwil> aww, cool :)
[15:59]  * thorwil hits the road
[16:19] <kwwii> I'm heading out in a bit as well
[21:33] <kwwii> night all


[11:14] <Zhenech> will vivid be shipped with 3.18 or 3.19 kernel?
[13:05] <Rhonda> linux | 3.19.0-7.7              | ubuntu/vivid-proposed            | source
[13:06] <Rhonda> Ah, but in vivid itself there is 3.18.
[13:06] <Rhonda> I didn't say anything. ;)
[13:07] <Zhenech> Rhonda, :x
[13:43] <ESphynx> geser: I imagine I will need a new changelog entry as well for 0.44.11+repack?
[13:43] <ESphynx> ah or that should be 0.44.11-2 ?
[13:46] <Fantu> hi, cinnamon package in ubuntu needs 2 small changes still missed, I prepared new build with it and uploaded in my launchpad for now: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/198985684/cinnamon_2.2.16-5_2.2.16-5ubuntu1.diff.gz
[13:46] <Fantu> https://launchpad.net/~fantonifabio/+archive/ubuntu/ubuntu-fixes/+packages
[13:46] <ESphynx> oh cinnamon is finally available from Ubuntu repos? :)
[13:48] <Fantu> 2.2 seems works and I prepared also 2.4, maxy now will review it and upload to debian experimental
[13:48] <Fantu> *works->good
[13:49] <Fantu> I'm intering to give small help also with ubuntu cinnamon packages if possible
[13:50] <Fantu> *interesting
[13:56] <Fantu> the cinnamon build above can be good for ubuntu upload or other changes are needed?
[13:57] <Fantu> thanks for any reply and sorry for my bad english
[15:24] <ESphynx> geser: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ecere-sdk/+bug/1424418 -- I uploaded the new tarball/dsc with +repack version
[17:48] <Fantu> sry for probably stupid question, even if I'm in uploader field of packages taken from debian I can't upload ubuntu specific build, is correct?
[17:49] <Fantu> what I must do to make this build with ubuntu specific changes considered for upload?
[17:49] <Fantu> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/198985684/cinnamon_2.2.16-5_2.2.16-5ubuntu1.diff.gz
[17:49] <Fantu> https://launchpad.net/~fantonifabio/+archive/ubuntu/ubuntu-fixes/+packages
[20:13] <tumbleweed> Fantu: debian developers / DMs can get upload rights in Ubuntu pretty easily, but until you get them, you need to use the sponsorship queue
[20:17] <Fantu> thanks for reply, from a fast look seems that for it I must open a bug report for the package and attach the debdiff, is it correct?
[20:18] <tumbleweed> yes, and subscribe the sponsors team
[20:45] <Fantu> done: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cinnamon/+bug/1426762
[20:45] <Fantu> there a strange thing, the package built in launchpad some hours ago is still pending (https://launchpad.net/~fantonifabio/+archive/ubuntu/ubuntu-fixes/+packages) even if is not a problem since I have already tested the changes time ago
[20:46] <teward> Fantu: you might poke #launchpad on that
[20:49] <teward> (especially if its not publishing_
[20:54] <Fantu> backports cinnamon and related software to trusty is possible (in trusty-backports)? I already did it in launchpad, tested the packages (installed also in notebook I use for works in latest months) and found needed important changes for trusty. if is possible what I must do?
[21:30] <ScottK> !backports | Fantu
[21:34] <Fantu> thanks for reply
[21:52] <Fantu> !backports


[12:52] <moquist> ogra pointed me to one of the ltsp.*standalone packages to use as an example.
[12:52] <moquist> I can't work on this right this very minute, BTW.
[12:53] <moquist> LaserJock: OK, and then somehow I probably have to tell dpkg-buildpackage which package source I'm building. Or something.
[12:53] <moquist> Or I have to tell pbuilder which binary package to build from the source package...this seems more likely.
[12:54] <LaserJock> nope
[12:54] <LaserJock> it'll build all the .debs from one pbuilder run
[12:54] <moquist> Oh - if I add another stanza in debian/control, I'll probably get another .dsc out of dpkg-buildpackage -S.
[12:54] <LaserJock> nope
[12:55] <moquist> Oh.
[12:55] <LaserJock> the source package is the same
[12:55] <LaserJock> it's just that when you build the source package, via pbuilder or whatever, you'll get 2 .debs instead of 1
[12:55] <moquist> this sounds easy, then.
[12:56] <moquist> Last night my projector bulb burned out, so I don't have the possibility of watching a movie to distract me from stuff like this, tonight. :-)
[12:56] <LaserJock> heh
[12:56] <LaserJock> the only thing will be to make sure that the file go to the right package
[12:56] <LaserJock> so you might have to do some small tweaking
[12:56] <moquist> I don't follow that.
[12:56] <moquist> "the file" ?
[12:56] <moquist> which file?
[12:57] <LaserJock> sorry, that should be files
[12:57] <LaserJock> you might have to tell it that all the moodle stuff goes to the moodle package
[12:57] <LaserJock> and not to the moodle-standalone
[12:57] <moquist> Also, I've rolled some other packages that I'm testing (as you know), and one user found that 'apt-get remove' left some of the package files around. Do I have to do anything special to remove files, the opposite of adding dh_install to the install: target in debian/rules?
[12:58] <LaserJock> moquist: where were the files?
[12:58] <moquist> My xterminator package installs this file: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/10-xterminator. But apt-get remove left that file in place.
[12:58] <LaserJock> ah yeah
[12:58] <LaserJock> files in /etc/ are different
[12:59] <LaserJock> because they are configuration files
[12:59] <moquist> ...and then all X logins failed, because the /usr/bin/xterminator line in that file couldn't execute properly. (I've since changed it to /usr/bin/xterminator || true ;)
[12:59] <LaserJock> doing a --purge should remove that file
[12:59] <moquist> Right. Sounds good; sounds like addint || true was the right thing to do.
[12:59] <LaserJock> but you can also tell dpkg that that file is not to be considered a conf file, I believe
[01:00] <moquist> I should look at other packages that drop files in Xsession.d to see what's right.
[01:00] <moquist> LaserJock: gotta run, thanks for your help
[01:00] <LaserJock> k
[01:14] <sbalneav> Hey LaserJock
[01:19] <LaserJock> hi sbalneav
[01:20] <sbalneav> Hey, you know a thing or two about CHEMISTRY, right?
[01:21] <LaserJock> well, supposedly
[01:21] <LaserJock> ;-)
[01:21] <sbalneav> Bug #95032
[01:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 95032 in rasmol "Rasmol displays incorrect distances" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95032
[01:21] <sbalneav> Interatomic distances shown by the Rasmol 'monitor' command are incorrect!
[01:21] <sbalneav> So...
[01:21] <LaserJock> oh right, I've seen that bug
[01:21] <sbalneav> Wanna help me sqwash a buuug
[01:23] <LaserJock> ok, I've got his .pdb loaded
[01:26] <LaserJock> sbalneav: ok, I can't reproduce it on Feisty, I get the correct number
[01:30] <sbalneav> hmm
[01:30] <sbalneav> in gutsy, it crashes rasmol
[01:30] <LaserJock> hah
[01:31] <LaserJock> we really should probably ditch rasmol
[01:32] <sbalneav> wait, I don't have the c16
[01:34] <sbalneav> I can't tell
[01:34] <sbalneav> I've got a whacky thing on the screen
[01:35] <LaserJock> heh
[01:35] <LaserJock> a long caterpillar looking thing?
[01:35] <sbalneav> looks like it say 11252A
[01:35] <sbalneav> yeah
[01:35] <sbalneav> hydrocarbon chain?
[01:36] <LaserJock> yep
[01:36] <LaserJock> hexadecane I guess
[01:36] <sbalneav> So if gasoline's like, 8 carbons long, this stuff's gotta be either axle grease, or plastic
[01:37] <LaserJock> hehe, something like that
[01:37] <sbalneav> how can we tell if the numbers are right?
[01:39] <LaserJock> it should be about 1.54 angstroms
[01:39] <sbalneav> ok, I thing this is saying 1.52
[01:40] <LaserJock> my reading was 1.52 angstroms, which makes sense since it's not exactly ethane
[01:40] <LaserJock> it's got the other C-C bond on the other side
[01:40] <LaserJock> which should make it a tad smaller I should think
[01:40] <sbalneav> Right, right, yeah.  I picked up on that right away.  Absolutely.
[01:40] <sbalneav> I agree with your analysis :)
[01:41] <LaserJock> it's certainly not the 2.04 the guy reported
[01:41] <sbalneav> So, what's the verdict?
[01:41] <sbalneav> Bug = Close?
[01:43] <LaserJock> I'll do it
[01:44] <sbalneav> Whoohoo
[01:46] <sbalneav> bug #124376
[01:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124376 in atomix "package atomix-data 2.14.0-1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script killed by signal (Interrupt)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124376
[01:46] <sbalneav> I'm figuring that one was just a fluke
[01:47] <sbalneav> How much you want to be he was running something like easyubuntu, and it killed the package manager, or something?
[01:47] <sbalneav> ^be^bet
[01:56] <LaserJock> sbalneav: I decided to run a semi-empirical MOPAC7/PM3 geometry optimization calculation, just to check that C-C distance ;-)
[01:57] <LaserJock> gotta love linux
[02:00] <sbalneav> Hey, can you still see me?
[02:04] <LaserJock> yeah
[02:16] <sbalneav> Cool, I'm signed on upstairs now, on the laptop
[02:16] <sbalneav> Still on downstairs too.
[02:16] <sbalneav> this bip irc proxy is cool.
[02:16] <sbalneav> Kids kicked me off.  I managed to get the old game "fallout" going under wine
[02:16] <sbalneav> so they wanted to play that.
[02:17] <sbalneav> Wine's really something else.
[02:17] <sbalneav> It's really quite amazing just how many programs do work under it.
[02:17] <LaserJock> yeah, unfortunately the couple apps for my wife I've tried didn't work
[02:18] <LaserJock> but a guy at work asked me about games in Ubuntu
[02:18] <LaserJock> as I've got him converted
[02:19] <LaserJock> sbalneav: hehe, my calculations gave 1.51 angstroms for the bond length
[02:20] <LaserJock> Free computational chemistry programs FTW!!
[02:22] <sbalneav> Well, with my detailed quantum-spectral analysis I did by putting A C16 molecule, Einsteins flashlight, and schrodingers cat in a box, and passing them through a slow Fourier analysis program I wrote (really, who needs the Fast Fourier, when clockspeeds are so high these days?) I cam out with 1.515 angstoms, so I'd say you came pretty close.  Good job!
[02:24] <johnny_> is there a nice way to get all the users in a group?
[02:24] <johnny_> closest thing i've found is getent
[02:24] <johnny_> or maybe somebody here already has a script for this kinda thing
[02:24] <johnny_> basically i'm trying to write a script to prep all the terminals every night
[02:25] <johnny_> like clearing their home directory, adding stuff, that kinda thing
[02:25] <sbalneav> Getent's the right way/
[02:31] <johnny_> except you can't pick and chose the fields :)
[02:31] <johnny_> cut to the rescue i guess
[02:31] <johnny_> sbalneav, so, dnsmasq works great here now :)
[02:31] <johnny_> if anybody else is interested in using dnsmasq with ltsp, let me know
[03:01] <jkb973> Hello all,,,
[03:05] <jkb973> Question about installing Edubuntu 7.04. Basically, works on some machines, not others. Is there anyplace I can get a list of compatibility issues?
[04:27] <sbalneav> ogra: You around there, dude?
[04:28] <kgoetz> sbalneav: hi mate
[04:28] <sbalneav> Hello
[04:29] <kgoetz> :)
[05:25] <shriphani> right. I am fixing an appointment for a meeting with a computer teacher here.
[05:26] <shriphani> BTW is there anyone from kerala here ?
[08:04] <dan_> test
[08:04] <dan_> hello
[08:05] <dan_> radio check
[08:09] <shriphani> radio check ?


[22:35] <willberg> ellar: Gah, I figured that it's kinda a crazy thing to do. In that case, I don't suppose you know how to fix the actual problem then? After no changes in configuration, sometimes when I try and use second monitor or TV out, my X goes crazy, causes computer to die. Can't restart X, can't use terminals, have to Raise Tiny Elephants etc. When I set it to clone mode, laptop panel is fine, but crazy corruption on second screen.  Drives me nuts! Have to reinstall once a week!
[22:36] <Flare183> !ops | OllyDBG
[22:36] <savvas> Flare183: don't worry, it's a "geek" number :)
[22:36] <Flare183> savvas: Yeah I know, I am one
[22:36] <martin_> i have a lottt off post here heeelp
[22:37] <talntid> msg jblack yo :)
[22:38] <Flare183> talntid: ???
[22:38] <talntid> do'h
[22:38] <BM8270> http://paste.ubuntu.com/117860/
[22:38] <talntid> forgot the /
[22:38] <Doonz> hey guys, if im using software raid (mdadm) and i pull out a failed drive and put a new one in what do i have to do so that drive is seen?
[22:38] <martin_> help fast http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/f549a2b99
[22:38] <johan12> everything working as it should, thank's guys!
[22:38] <martin_> edit my frist please
[22:38] <abarai_renji> nigtrid3r, what's the URL?
[22:38] <Flare183> BM8270: Do you know how to "stop" gdm from the terminal?
[22:39] <martin_> is a report from samba
[22:39] <martin_> comon
[22:39] <Flare183> !enter | martin_
[22:39] <martin_> sorry ubottu
[22:39] <cchildress> hi everyone. i'm trying to get a digitizer tablet to work. it's recognized, but when I'm enabling it in Gimp for an input device it says "State: Device not available: Permission denied."  What do I need to do?
[22:40] <savvas> BM8270: did you upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10?
[22:41] <alesan> Flare183, I am curious, do you have a duty shift as semi-op in this channel? how does one get involved?
[22:41] <nightrid3r> doc` hmm there's only 3 kernel modules for pci cards
[22:41] <Flare183> alesan: See my PM
[22:41] <redvamp128> Flare183: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[22:41] <doc`> just try one?
[22:41]  * Doonz is
[22:41] <baz> conky is great, thanks Myrtti, fow, PoPpiLLs
[22:41] <alesan> Flare183, PM?
[22:41] <Doonz> hey guys, if im using software raid (mdadm) and i pull out a failed drive and put a new one in what do i have to do so that drive is seen?
[22:41] <Flare183> alesan: Private Message
[22:41] <nightrid3r> doc` theres for 2400 2500 and 61 model
[22:42] <Flare183> redvamp128: Yeap that the command to stop gdm
[22:42] <savvas> alesan: you mean how to become an operator? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam
[22:42] <willberg> cchildress: does it work if you start gimp as root? (i.e. in a terminal   sudo gimp-2.6 )
[22:42] <doc`> i know it is a 802.11n card
[22:42] <baz> it would be nice to have just the bandwidth in kb/s visible at all times in the tray - is this possible?
[22:42] <alesan> Flare183, that sounds so "forum-ish" I generally call it query but nevermind
[22:42] <illumin8> Hello everyone, i realize my question is a slight matter of opinion, and have read the diffirences in the distros, but which version of ubuntu 8.04 or 8.10 would be a wiser choice for a new linux user?
[22:42] <martin_> tnx I upgrade samba
[22:42] <nightrid3r> doc` ow i don't think there's much support for N type cards :(
[22:42] <martin_> :)
[22:42] <willberg> baz: I think that there is a gnome applet for that, right click on a gnome bar and choose add to panel and have a look
[22:43] <dave460> hi there guys, has any1 installed ubuntu over fedora and found a way to get back in fedora??
[22:43] <Flare183> alesan: oh sorry
[22:43] <ardchoille> illumin8: 8.04 is a LTS release - supported longer and possibly more stable
[22:43] <nightrid3r> doc` so i guess ndiswrapper with windows driver is the way to go at the moment
[22:43] <Silver> Joe Smith
[22:43] <illumin8> ardchoille, will i be missing much by going with 8.04?
[22:43] <baz> willberg, u are thinking of the sys monitor applet - which comes close - except that it shows it in % rather than kb/s... why the hell %!!!
[22:43] <doc`> care to explain how to do that?
[22:43] <ardchoille> illumin8: Not really
[22:43] <Silver> Hey guys, what's up?
[22:44] <illumin8> ardchoille, my thanks :)
[22:44] <Silver> can I ask question?
[22:44] <Flare183> !ask | Silver
[22:44] <ardchoille> illumin8: I have found that the LTS releases are quite nice
[22:44] <nightrid3r> doc` sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper
[22:44] <Silver> ok
[22:44] <willberg> baz: haha you're right, damn...
[22:44] <macd_> illumin8, being a new user, I dont think either version will present or take away any challenges in learning Linux, however the LTS version are supported longer, and tend to be more stable (however not as cutting edge)
[22:44] <Silver> Why does runescape HD not works unless i waggle the mouse a lot?
[22:44] <Silver> It freezes when I hold the mouse still.
[22:44] <Latkah> would ndiswrapper be easier to install then madwif drivers?
[22:44] <kaptengu> ##1234567890
[22:44] <willberg> Silver: which version of java do you have? The Sun one?
[22:44] <DIFH-ice1oot> Latkah: no
[22:45] <Silver> yes
[22:45] <nightrid3r> Latkah ndiswrapper has nothing to do with madwifi
[22:45] <jacekowski> join ##1234567890
[22:45] <savvas> !offtopic | kaptengu
[22:45] <redvamp128> kaptengu:  why are you counting seconds and where did that come from?
[22:45] <kaptengu> 700 and counting
[22:45] <Droopsta915> Can someone help me with my vbox, IM getting this message.
[22:45] <Droopsta915> The VirtualBox kernel driver is not accessible to the current user. Make sure that the user has write permissions for /dev/vboxdrv by adding them to the vboxusers groups. You will need to logout for the change to take effect..
[22:45] <Flare183> !ot | jacekowski
[22:45] <willberg> Silver: Have you tried downloading the file rather than running it from the site (sorry, I'm not sure if that's something they still do, it's been about 6 years since I played)
[22:45] <mg> Can anyone guide me on setting up INX in virtualbox?
[22:46] <DVA5912> Is their an emulator i can download to emulate Pocket PC 2002?
[22:46] <jacekowski> Flare183: that's linux related
[22:46] <jacekowski> Flare183: unix timestamp to be precose
[22:46] <jacekowski> precise*
[22:46] <kaptengu> redvamp128: I am counting users
[22:46] <BM8270-0> hi back... connection dropped.
[22:46] <Droopsta915> never mind my 2 year old wont stop crying! damn cry babay
[22:46] <illumin8> macd_, i am interested in haveing a fast stable system that i can run some games, wine based software (windows type things) and learn to replace them with ubuntu alternatives as i go. would 8.04 function well for this generally (again i realize its specific to the software and user)
[22:46] <mg> I've downloaded the INX virtual version, I just don't know how to set it up in virtualbox
[22:46] <Flare183> jacekowski: Yeah but you are just spamming the channel with junk
[22:46] <Lard|arse> does wubi have a support channel?
[22:47] <int256> Hai
[22:47] <BM8270-0> http://paste.ubuntu.com/117860/ my gnome getting stuck problem
[22:47] <savvas> BM8270-0: did you upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10?
[22:47] <macd_> illumin8, I would be all over 8.04 if I were you, already ;)
[22:47] <Lard|arse> !wubi
[22:47] <illumin8> macd much apperiacted :)
[22:47] <int256> how to disconnect and connect to the internet from terminal
[22:47] <Flare183> int256: sudo dhclient
[22:48] <redvamp128> kaptengu:  I though you were counting the seconds since unix started lol Unix Lovers to Party Like It's<PHONE_NUMBER> | Gadget Lab from Wired.com <http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2009/02/unix-lovers-to.html>
[22:48] <KStarFighter> To see is not required
[22:48] <DVA5912> !pocketpc
[22:48] <dave460> can anybody point me to a place where i can find help with dual boot??
[22:48] <savvas> int256: sudo invoke-rc.d networking restart
[22:48] <Flare183> !dualboot | dave460
[22:48] <int256> savvas: will it reconnect.
[22:49] <dave460> thanks man
[22:49] <Flare183> dave460: np
[22:49] <mg> I downloaded INX virtual machine as a zipped file, I just don't know how to set it up.
[22:49] <KStarFighter> ubottu !learn this "Im a whale, a whale, a flubber whale plus in not any good at all" :=)
[22:49] <KStarFighter> Futs
[22:49] <DVA5912> !ppc
[22:49] <savvas> int256: depends on what you mean - if you want to get a new IP, I don't know :)
[22:49] <DVA5912> not what i wanted
[22:49] <Lard|arse> ok... let's try asking this: how do i force wubi to install 8.04 instead of 8.10 ?
[22:50] <willberg> Lard|arse there are older versions of wubi available
[22:50] <KStarFighter> What a crappy channel to socialize in (As i have ordered this i shall change it to my likings)
[22:50] <Lard|arse> willberg: so download the latest 8.04 version and use that?
[22:50] <BM8270-0> i would further add that i did not use wubi.
[22:50] <willberg> Lard|arse Or try renaming a 8.04 ISO to be an 8.10 iso and trick wubi
[22:50] <savvas> Lard|arse: why don't you simply install ubuntu 8.04 by booting from the CD?
[22:50] <Doonz> hey guys, if im using software raid (mdadm) and i pull out a failed drive and put a new one in what do i have to do so that drive is seen?
[22:50] <ardchoille> KStarFighter: this actually isn't a social channel, it's a support channel
[22:50] <Lard|arse> i have no cd drive on this laptop
[22:50] <martin_> :)
[22:50] <kaptengu> !anything
[22:50] <willberg> Lard|arse: Why don't you want to use the latest 8.10?
[22:50] <dave460> Flare183: sorry but I need help with Ubuntu/Fedora dual boot... those links don't seem to cover that
[22:51] <nightrid3r> Lard|arse try unetbootin
[22:51] <Flare183> dave460: Sorry, I couldn't/can't help further
[22:51] <mg> Is there a virtual box channel for linux?
[22:51] <Lard|arse> willberg: because i currently have 8.10 installed, but after updating, i can no longer connect to the internet with it
[22:51] <dave460> k, tnx anyway
[22:52] <redvamp128> mg: yes #vbox
[22:52] <willberg> Lard|arse Maybe try asking about your internet problem in here! For instance, what is the output of ifconfig  ... although that might be kinda difficult to do if you can't go online and don'e have a second PC with irc  *hits head*
[22:53] <Lard|arse> willberg: i do, but ti's upstairs and the laptop is downstairs
[22:53] <savvas> Lard|arse: let me guess.. madwifi wireless driver?
[22:53] <Lard|arse> savvas: wired internet
[22:53] <CRZHJP> << anyone decode it?
[22:53] <Hieronymus> I have quite a simple question. Is it of any use if i download official release torrents with the idea of seeding them? Or are there enough servers?
[22:53] <savvas> !offtopic | CRZHJP
[22:53] <Flare183> !ot | CRZHJP
[22:53] <Hieronymus> Or is every bit of help welcome?
[22:53] <willberg> Lard|arse older versions of wubi are here:  http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=198355&package_id=234923
[22:54] <savvas> woops
[22:54] <willberg> Lard|arse download one with 8.04 in it's name, the lastest of those ones. And that should set up 8.04 for you and not 8.10
[22:54] <savvas> Lard|arse: did you check what this command outputs: lspci -nn
[22:54] <savvas> Lard|arse: you could check where the problem is
[22:54] <CRZHJP> omg. I go offtopic one time and i get yelled at. This is a really bad day. Im going to go cut my self
[22:55] <Lard|arse> savvas: i remember reading a couple of days ago on the uupc page that there was a bug with network cards in 8.10
[22:55] <baz> if my SWAP is always at 0% used... does that mean I'm awesome?
[22:55] <Lard|arse> CRZHJP: you may want to remember that this channel is logged, so be careful what you say
[22:55] <KDE4000> lol
[22:55] <Flare183> CRZHJP: Yes, and please just to keep what you same family friendly
[22:56] <Flare183> !lol | KDE4000
[22:56] <CRZHJP> Thats it. Wheres the blade.
[22:56] <CRZHJP> /quit
[22:57] <will_> Can anyone recommend a simple but powerful text editor for Gnome, roughly akin to Kate? I'm trying to avoid installing all the KDE crunk - and Kate depends on it
[22:57] <will_> Gedit seems clunky in comparison to Kate, sadly
[22:57] <Lard|arse> will_: hmm...
[22:57] <illumin8> How can i tell which version of the Nvidia accelerated grapics drivers (96, 173, 177) are best for my system. It currently recommends 177?
[22:57] <savvas> will_: gedit with gedit-plugins or scribes
[22:57] <Myrtti> will_: you do know that you can add features to gedit with plugins?
[22:57] <bolting> I cant get the package manager to list a package that others say they can list, in this case it is kvm, which shows up when i used a live cd. What can i do? and con someone tell me the number of packaes listed when they choose all? I get 26199.
[22:57] <will_> Myrtti: I did not
[22:57] <Evilrick> I got a problem with 8.04 HH, as of a few weeks ago my removable media stopped automounting. MMC cards USB disks and the CD rom drive. I can still mount them manually with sudo mount so its not a hardware issue. If I log into Gnome as root then the automounting works. I have checked my settings in gconf-editor and the settings in my user administration tool. Any Ideas? here are my subsystem...
[22:58] <Evilrick> ...logs http://paste.ubuntu.com/117863/
[22:58] <redvamp128> baz: sometimes swap is not used depending on how much memory is installed and the type of processor- though from what I have seen mine just uses a mere 100mb when under heavy load-- like 10 tabs open in firefox-- compiz on and pidgin (933mhz PII with 256mb of memory)
[22:58] <rakudave> will_: try geany
[22:58] <Lard|arse> will_: i actually agree about clunky... earlier versions were better, i think, as you could configure more stuff without having to find where the config files where
[22:58] <baz> redvamp128, thats the machine u are using!
[22:58] <savvas> will_: what do you mean clunky?
[22:58] <Myrtti> Evilrick: log into gnome as *root*?
[22:58] <redvamp128> baz: yes
[22:58] <baz> redvamp128, 'ol school - i like it :)
[22:59] <Myrtti> Evilrick: how do you login to gnome as *root*?
[22:59] <baz> redvamp128, how's vista run on it :)
[22:59] <ardchoille> !root
[22:59] <Evilrick> Myrtti: yeah I enable administrator login and logged on as root to see if it would help, and it does
[22:59] <savvas> Myrtti: what do you need to do as root?
[22:59] <will_> savvas: Kate had a very clean and slick UI, good code highlighting and dialogs. It seems to have more of the basic features than Gedit. That said, it's been a couple of years since I used Gedit, so I might give it a spin
[22:59] <Myrtti> Evilrick: right...
[22:59] <redvamp128> baz: can't complain at the price picked it up for free -- (2 of them) after main rig got stolen...  only put in a 20$ Geforce4 Mx4000
[22:59] <Myrtti> savvas: forget it
[22:59] <Lard|arse> ardchoille: not strictly true... there are ways to make a root password, but i think that they are beyond the scope of this channel
[22:59] <ardchoille> Lard|arse: They are
[23:00] <swivel_>  /server irc.electric.net
[23:00] <savvas> will_: gedit-plugins give an extra beauty to gedit, be sure to install that package :)
[23:00] <Lard|arse> i'm also not about to say how, as it's generally not recommended
[23:00] <will_> Lard|arse: Gedit doesn't seem to be configured as a developer's text editor. I'll give it a go, though
[23:00] <will_> savvas: Thank you! That may make all the difference
[23:00] <baz> redvamp128, i'm running a core i7 with 6gb of DDR3 and 1TB RAID5 disk
[23:00] <winn_> Has anyone had their wireless broadband card stop working in the past week or so?
[23:00] <baz> redvamp128, just built it, wanted to tell someone :)
[23:00] <alesan> Myrtti, see my PM
[23:00] <illumin8> To manually set a password for the root user, type in the following in the shell:
[23:00] <illumin8> sudo passwd
[23:00] <Myrtti> illumin8: or then again, not
[23:01] <ardchoille> !supportroot | illumin8
[23:01] <Myrtti> alesan: haven't seen anything from you
[23:01] <bolting> so anyone got any ideas as to why i am getting this?
[23:01] <illumin8> oh im so sorry :(
[23:01] <alesan> Myrtti, yeah wait
[23:01] <Lard|arse> savvas: going back to the command you said... think it was lscpi -nn ... i'd have top reboot back into ubuntu to do it, could you tell me waht i'm looking for?
[23:01] <Lard|arse> illumin8: that's why i wasn't about to say it
[23:02] <will_> How do I get GTK applications running under Root to share my user's theme?
[23:02] <Scunizi> Myrtti: alesan you can't pm unless you're register on freenode
[23:02] <Scunizi> *registered
[23:02] <alesan> Myrtti, anyway, I think it is important to set a root pwd. I'll tell my horror story.
[23:02] <illumin8> i didnt realize it was taboo knowledge :(
[23:02] <alesan> Scunizi, I am registered
[23:02] <Myrtti> alesan: how about you don't
[23:02] <redvamp128> baz: with 6 gigs only time it should ever need to use the swap is a save when you put it in hibernation.
[23:02] <baz> anyone have a cool conky config they wanna give me?
[23:02] <Scunizi> alesan: maybe Myrtti isn't
[23:02] <Myrtti> Scunizi: maybe I am
[23:02] <Lard|arse> baz: conky?
[23:03] <Duff> ADminstrator?
[23:03] <will_> savvas: No code-folding in Gedit?
[23:03] <Duff> =0
[23:03] <Scunizi> Myrtti: probably are.. just didn't know . .. just 2 cents.. sorry for butting in
[23:03] <baz> redvamp128, well unless i have lots of crap going on no? Like multiple VMs, many progs open and such?
[23:03] <alesan> in few words, if your hdd has errors (due to defective hdd or power loss etc) the system will hang at boot asking for root password
[23:03] <fu1crum> my goodness... ##1234567890 is insane
[23:03] <Duff> pliz
[23:03] <redvamp128> baz: though it could also be used sometimes when using wine.. that I have noticed a bit of use when it tries to render DX8 applictions
[23:03] <alesan> and you will not be able to solve without a live cd or similar
[23:03] <baz> Lard|arse, yeah, cool app: http://conky.sourceforge.net/screenshots.html
[23:03] <savvas> will_: ah.. no, unfortunately not :) try geany or scite
[23:03] <alesan> I had to ship my mother a boot cd from USA to Italy to let her boot again, spend a lot of money on telephone instructions how to do etc
[23:04] <Lard|arse> will_: from google: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=516193
[23:04] <will_> savvas: Cheers. Basically I'm looking for a Textmate analog :)
[23:04] <winn_> Has anyone had their wireless broadband card stop working in the past week or so?
[23:04] <savvas> Lard|arse: basically, anything that says "Unknown" in the list it outputs
[23:04] <Myrtti> Evilrick: in my humble opinion you've hosed your system now. Using any operating system that's connected to the internet as *root* is a major security threat.
[23:04] <Mood> there is a bug with NetworkManager Applet 0.7.0
[23:04] <Mood> and it's a fairly big bug
[23:04] <Lard|arse> savvas: ok... i'll look
[23:05] <Jo1> I don't see a "Menus & Toolbars" item in my System Preferences [Gnome] menu.  How do I put it there?
[23:05] <savvas> Lard|arse: what I'm thinking is that ubuntu doesn't detect your ethernet
[23:06] <innociv> When i make a user, say adduser joe, is that user automatically added to group joe?
[23:06] <redvamp128> Jo1:  To get a menu-- right click on the task bar and choose add to panel menus.
[23:06] <Lard|arse> savvas: you mean it stopped detecting it sometime between me installing the updates and me reinstaling after the updates?
[23:06] <innociv> as i see the group folders made are that user name for the group
[23:06] <Lard|arse> innociv: yes... i don't understand why, but debian (and debian derivatives like ubuntu) do this)
[23:07] <innociv> so if i want a user to have group priveledges to those folders/files made by joe, i just put put user jill into group joe?
[23:07] <innociv> centos does it too iirc
[23:07] <savvas> Lard|arse: you mean it was working before? then I don't know :)
[23:07] <Lard|arse> i think (but i'm not sure) that you should make a seperate group, and make them both part of the group... but as i don't really have much expeience with user groups, i may well be wrong
[23:08] <Lard|arse> savvas: it was working when i installed the updates... part of those updates was a new kernel version, though, which is why i restarted
[23:08] <Lard|arse> that reminds me... one thing i didn't try was booting from the previous kernel version
[23:09] <Lard|arse> savvas: trying that now
[23:09] <freq18hz><PHONE_NUMBER>
[23:11] <Dolo> Is there a way to have differnt wallpapers and shortcuts on seprate virtual desktops
[23:12] <PleXuS> anyone in here using ovirt on ubuntu?
[23:12] <miked595> http://www.1234567890day.com/
[23:12] <benste> All my Vbox clients stopped using my internet connection after installtion of LTSP with DHCP3 - what can I do?
[23:14] <doc`> ok finally after some googling i came up with this site https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/210725 , and the drivers from http://www.ralinktech.com/ralink/Home/Support/Linux.html might work, but how do i install them?
[23:14] <pineapple> savvas: this is kinda strange... it's working in 2.6.27-9-generic but not in 2.6.27-11-generic
[23:14] <pineapple> savvas: oops, posbibly confusing as i'm using a different name
[23:15] <savvas> hehe
[23:15] <Jo1> @redvamp128: thank you.  do you know if there is a way to adjust the properties of the Gnome panel?  Mine only reaches part way across the display and i can't move or stretch it.
[23:15] <savvas> lard|arse: you're using 8.10 with 2.6.27-9-generic kernel now?
[23:15] <lard|arse> savvas: one thing i did notice when booting up, was a message that was shown just before X started
[23:15] <lard|arse> savvas: yes
[23:15] <redvamp128> Jo1:  yes
[23:15] <Xamusk> has anyone been able to configure an AlpsPS/2 ALPS GlidePoint touchpad in Ubuntu 8.04 ?
[23:16] <sundar> hi.question regarding dell-mini UNR custom launcher.It is open source,but i dont know where it is hosted?i could find the generic open source version at wiki.ubuntu.com/UNR. yelp!
[23:16] <freq18hz> excuse me, but why was I kicked?
[23:16] <savvas> lard|arse: can you post the output at http://paste.ubuntu.com of this command: sudo lspci -nnv
[23:16] <Dgrillo>  hi every one
[23:16] <benste> Question ! - All my Vbox clients stopped using my internet connection after installtion of LTSP with DHCP3 - what can I do?
[23:16] <redvamp128> Jo1:  right click on the panel- choose properties then exand
[23:16] <ximo> Hi, I`m having problems when I password protect my screen saver or lock my session, then my password can`t unlock it, I`m using 8.10
[23:17] <int256> Ubuntu is very very slow in downloading from internet
[23:17] <Xamusk> I can't get double fingers tap = middle button
[23:17] <Jo1> @redvamp128 OK.
[23:17] <heatmzzr_> How do I extract a file in gui, permissions wont let me?
[23:17] <pizdets> anyone know what people who post wanted ads mean by UNIX, exactly? are they looking for linux/freebsd or what
[23:17] <int256> i downloaded the same files in Windows XP and Ubuntu 8.10
[23:18] <int256> in XP  get 200-229kb/sec in ubuntu 16-26kb/sec
[23:18] <LePHiSTO> http://coolepochcountdown.com/
[23:19] <dee25> IM HAVING PROBLEM CHANGING MY RESOLUTION TO 1204X768
[23:19] <int256> this is why i hate ubuntu
[23:19] <dee25> IM STUCK AT 800X600
[23:19] <freq18hz> excuse me, but why was I kicked?
[23:19] <Naisel> heatmzzr what kind of file
[23:19] <ardchoille> LePHiSTO: Please don't paste links like that here
[23:19] <Jo1> @redvamp128, expand is checked, but size did not change. only browser windows open appeared separately.
[23:19] <Naisel> you can extract a file in you terminal
[23:19] <heatmzzr_> Naisel:tar.bz2
[23:19] <Hieronymus> Just configure your stuff right.
[23:19] <Dgrillo>   hi  i'm using 8.10  and i have a dual monitor pc, i need to run some applications  in the principal monitor and others in the secondary, but  always get the principal  in the wrong place,  and i need to change them
[23:20] <Hieronymus> In Ubuntu I download faster.
[23:20] <Naisel> tar -jvf file
[23:20] <Scunizi> int256: what you hate is the propiatory nature of the drivers for your specific nic card that doesn't want to work well with reverse engineered drivers on linux..
[23:20] <int256> Scunizi: oh, then the windows is best.
[23:21] <Scunizi> int256: I don't know how you got that out of what I said .. but no.. buy a better supported nic card..
[23:21] <Evilrick> Myrtti: Everyone on my case about root. I logged on as root to check teh automount issue. then logged off and here I am connected to the interweb as !root.
[23:22] <heatmzzr_> Naisel: ima noob. What do I type in terminal to extract the files in another directory>
[23:22] <lard|arse> savvas: http://paste.ubuntu.com/117874/ is the output to that command; the message before X loaded (viewed by doing crtl+alt+f8) is [  70.062114] pan0: Dropping NETIF_F_UFO since no NETIF_F_HW_CSUM feature.
[23:22] <Myrtti> Evilrick: consider yourself lucky then. Logging in as root in the graphical environment can make certain file permissions to such a state that using them as a normal user is impossible.
[23:22] <illumin8> int256 have you tried disabling ipv6?
[23:23] <Naisel> easy you type in your terminal #cd directory then extract the file
[23:23] <heatmzzr_> isnt there a way to switch to root in gui and move and extract files?????
[23:23] <heatmzzr_> oh ok
[23:23] <Naisel> heatmzzr you done
[23:23] <illumin8> int256, this website has some information that may help. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=202838
[23:23] <heatmzzr_> na. what was the specific command to extract the tar.bz2?
[23:24] <Evilrick> tar -jxvf file.tar.bz2
[23:24] <lard|arse> heatmzzr_: tar -xvjf filenam
[23:24] <adamb_>  #linux
[23:24] <adamb_> err
[23:24] <sisapinusa> hey
[23:24] <lard|arse> heatmzzr_: replace the j with a z for tar.gz
[23:24] <ximo> Anyone know why this happens?  can`t unlock session or password protected screensaver
[23:24] <adamb_> You guys ready for unix timestamp to be<PHONE_NUMBER> in 5 minutes?
[23:24] <ximo> is this a bug?
[23:24] <Evilrick> -zx is for gzip -jx is for bz2
[23:24] <gradin> anybody know how i can get intrepid to work with skype?
[23:25] <redvamp128> Jo1:  hrm if you take a screenshot and paste at www.imagebin.ca so I can see the what you are talking about
[23:25] <Evilrick> I got a problem with 8.04 HH, as of a few weeks ago my removable media stopped automounting. MMC cards USB disks and the CD rom drive. I can still mount them manually with sudo mount so its not a hardware issue. If I log into Gnome as root then the automounting works. I have checked my settings in gconf-editor and the settings in my user administration tool. Any Ideas? here are my subsystem...
[23:25] <Evilrick> ...logs http://paste.ubuntu.com/117863/
[23:25] <Naisel> lard|arse is a bz2
[23:25] <Naisel> no tar.gz
[23:25] <pepperjack> ximo: capslock? :)
[23:25] <ximo> jaja, no is not that
[23:25] <lard|arse> Naisel: i know, i saw the question :-)
[23:25] <Naisel> ok
[23:25] <lard|arse> ximo: it it using the ubuntu live cd?
[23:26] <ximo> no, I am a proud full Ubuntu user
[23:26] <ximo> me and my dell are very happy with it
[23:26] <savvas> lard|arse: weird, I have an ethernet card with the same driver/kernel module and it was working fine in 8.10
[23:26] <lard|arse> savvas: is it an MSI wind?
[23:26] <foolz> does anyone know if there is a way to alter firefox bookmark sidebar behavior, so that I have to double-click on a bookmark to activate it, instead of single-clicking?
[23:27] <foolz> the firefox channel seems dead, which is why I thought I'd give it a shot here
[23:27] <Dgrillo> hi  i'm using 8.10  and i have a dual monitor pc, i need to run some applications  in the principal monitor and others in the secondary, but  always get the principal  in the wrong place,  and i need to change them....................
[23:27] <Bodsda> Hi, if i wanted to upgrade from hardy to intrepid, could I do so by mounting the iso and doing an upgrade from the cd or do i have to burn it and boot from it?
[23:27] <savvas> lard|arse: no, but MSI P965 motherboard (if I recall well)
[23:27] <lard|arse> Bodsda: i believe that only the alternate cd lets you do an upgrade
[23:27] <Bodsda> lard|arse, thats good enough, thanks
[23:27] <lard|arse> savvas: should i try in the -11 kernel and see what the differences are?
[23:28] <savvas> lard|arse: give me a sec
[23:28] <lard|arse> ok
[23:28] <PeskyJ> what's a good program to use for syncing modified html and php files and images form a local web directory to my server?
[23:28] <benste>  All my Vbox clients stopped using my internet connection after installtion of LTSP with DHCP3 - what can I do?
[23:28]  * kenami is back.
[23:28] <TeamColtra[TFD]> i accedently enabled magnification tat follows my mouse ow do i disable it?
[23:28] <DasEi>  Bodsda:you could use dist upgrade, but a fresh install is always the safer bet
[23:28] <DeadRooster> is anyone here counting down/up to epcoh time?
[23:28] <^hashbang^> PeskyJ: rsync and ssh
[23:28] <Bodsda> DasEi, yeah, ok cheers
[23:28] <DeadRooster> http://www.coolepochcountdown.com/ - two minutes
[23:29] <PeskyJ> TeamColtra[TFD]: hold the windows key down and scroll out with the mouse scroll wheel
[23:29] <lard|arse> PeskyJ: syncing? not sure... for just copying between folders, you could use scp
[23:29] <talntid> benste: hey, can I message you?
[23:29] <DasEi> !upgrade | Bodsda
[23:29] <TeamColtra[TFD]> your a life saver, tanks
[23:29] <ximo> any ideas?
[23:29] <sachael> happy<PHONE_NUMBER> :)
[23:29] <Bodsda> cheers DasEi
[23:29] <freq18hz> excuse me, but why was I kicked?
[23:29] <mortal1> does anyone know if you can start a vnc server on the live installer cd, and connect to it remotely?
[23:30] <talntid> yes, mortal1
[23:30] <mortal1> i.e. a friend puts in the ubuntu disk, I connect to their ip and install linux for them
[23:30] <DasEi> mortal1: you'd have to install it first
[23:30] <unused_bagels> HEY EVERYONE! I
[23:30] <unused_bagels> 'augh
[23:30] <adamb_> You guys ready for unix timestamp to be<PHONE_NUMBER> in 5 minutes?
[23:30] <adamb_> in 1 minute
[23:30] <adamb_> =)
[23:30] <bazhang> !ot
[23:30] <DeadRooster> adamb_: 40 seconds by my count
[23:30] <bazhang> take chat elsewhere please
[23:31] <savvas> lard|arse: try reinstall these packages: sudo apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-2.6.27-11-generic linux-restricted-modules-2.6.27-11-generic
[23:31] <unused_bagels> sorry.  I've got an INTEL graphics chipset (please, don't make fun, not by choice.) can anyone help me compile the driver?
[23:31] <mortal1> how do i print that out?
[23:31] <mortal1> the unix time
[23:31] <constantine> hi I'm trying to setup vpnc but can't tell if its working
[23:31] <adamb_> go go go go
[23:31] <savvas> lard|arse: and then reconfigure them: sudo dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.27-11-generic linux-restricted-modules-2.6.27-11-generic
[23:31] <^hashbang^> !ot | mortal1
[23:31] <rakudave> it's exactly<PHONE_NUMBER> (sorry for !ot, but someone had to say it) :-D
[23:31] <horstle><PHONE_NUMBER>
[23:31] <mortal1> o,0
[23:31] <hank_><PHONE_NUMBER>! :D
[23:31] <rakudave> happy<PHONE_NUMBER>
[23:31] <mortal1> err happy new year?
[23:31] <mortal1> lol
[23:31] <mirani> hi! ive got two machines connected in a cable modem shared network through a windows machine... the first one is an ubuntu box, and works well with an static IP, the second one is a debian box that i dont manage to connect... is there an easy way to configure this debian box using the ubuntu box as reference? eg. just copying configuration files... ?
[23:32] <andrei> hello
[23:32] <Aberration> Hi all!
[23:32] <ximo> could have something to do with mi finger print reader?
[23:32] <mirani> hi! ive got two machines connected in a cable modem shared network through a windows machine... the first one is an ubuntu box, and works well with an static IP, the second one is a debian box that i dont manage to connect... is there an easy way to configure this debian box using the ubuntu box as reference? eg. just copying configuration files... ?
[23:32] <mirani> sorry by the duplicate
[23:32] <mirani> i tried to apply the same /etc/network/interfaces with no success
[23:32] <unused_bagels> I've got an INTEL graphics chipset 945G (please, don't make fun, not by choice.) can anyone help me compile the driver?
[23:32] <andrei> i want erase my kernel and réinstall, help me please
[23:33] <Korfox> happe<PHONE_NUMBER> @ll
[23:33] <Korfox> happe = happy
[23:33] <DeadRooster> you too Korfox
[23:33] <Korfox> thx
[23:33] <Aberration> Hi all!
[23:33] <savvas> mirani: debian testing/lenny ?
[23:33] <Aberration> Damn I already said so
[23:33] <brandonban6> hi Aberration
[23:33] <fow> @all = all
[23:33] <fow> er
[23:33] <fow> yeah.
[23:33] <rakudave> bazhang: thanks
[23:33] <andrei> i want erase my kernel and réinstall, help me please
[23:33] <adamb_> hahah everyone in office tried to screen shot and missed it by a second.
[23:33] <PeskyJ> ^hashbang^: cheers :) rsync looks like it does what I want :)
[23:34] <mirani> savvas, yes
[23:34] <fwaokda> how do i install a .tar.bz2 file in ubuntu? i tried what the readme said but i must be doing something wrong
[23:34] <Aberration> Does rt kernel work with intrepid already? Do we have some news?
[23:34] <BorkisDrizzt> wai for Epoch!
[23:34] <moooop> Happy gnu year everybody!
[23:34] <savvas> mirani: ah.. no idea then, sorry :)
[23:35] <brandonban6> Hmmm...so two issues, I think they are related........user switch panel will not load and ubuntu 8.10 64bit will not shutdown, freezes on the exit splash screen. Can someone point out some things I should check for? Possibly a bad user account?
[23:35] <constantine> in Windows, I was using GPass as a vpn but can't find a comparable ubuntu vpn
[23:35] <kronicKoH> Hello all
[23:35] <DasEi> brandonban6: check your logs for the logout issue
[23:35] <PeskyJ> constantine: openvpn
[23:35] <andrei> i want erase my kernel and réinstall, help me please
[23:36] <kronicKoH> Do we have any  blackberry users in the room?
[23:36] <benste> Question -  All my Vbox clients stopped using my internet connection after installtion of LTSP with DHCP3 - what can I do?
[23:36] <galvanize> hi, I am writing a script using a bunch of if statements and I want the outputs all to show on one line?
[23:36] <galvanize> is this possible?
[23:36] <unused_bagels> I've got an INTEL graphics chipset 945G (please, don't make fun, not by choice.) can anyone help me compile the driver?
[23:37] <PeskyJ> benste: try the vbox manual... also try changing the network type, I think it uses NAT by default but the manual mentions some issues with that
[23:37] <savvas> galvanize: cat filename | xargs
[23:37] <illumin8> where would i find my network shares (shares im able to access) in the file system?
[23:37] <DasEi>  galvanize:if no answer here, maybe #bash
[23:37] <andrei> i want erase my kernel and réinstall, help me please
[23:37] <andrei> i want erase my kernel and réinstall, help me please
[23:37] <andrei> i want erase my kernel and réinstall, help me please
[23:37] <FloodBot2> andrei: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:37] <DasEi> andrei: why would you ?
[23:37] <savvas> benste: are you sure it's ubuntu (host) related and not #vbox ?
[23:38] <benste> yes I'am
[23:38] <benste> Pesky: I already tried those different options, using a Windows and a Ubuntu client system, both got an IP and send packages during a ping, but both woun't find internet
[23:38] <ximo> any ideas about why I can`t unlok my session in intrepid? BTW, I do type correctly my pass
[23:38] <brandonban6> MSG <DasEi><Thanks DasEi, I'll take a loosie>
[23:38] <ZERAlDA> hello
[23:39] <ZERAlDA> my wireless driver does not work
[23:39] <ZERAlDA> dell
[23:39] <savvas> benste: you could try choosing a different virtual network card
[23:39] <ZERAlDA> card*****
[23:39] <benste> savvas I think it could be related to the installation of an LTSP and it's own DHCP-server
[23:39] <lard|arse> savvas: i've reinstalled them... what will reconfiguring them do?
[23:39] <DasEi> !wireless | ZERAlDA
[23:39] <DasEi> ZERAlDA: which chip ?
[23:40] <savvas> benste: I'm not sure then :) I think vmware server or kvm are much more stable when it comes to networking
[23:40] <constantine> peskyj: should I get tunneldigger, too?
[23:40] <doc`> http://pastebin.com/m45f3e25b line 7 and 8 i dont get
[23:40] <ZERAlDA> don know
[23:40] <ZERAlDA> wht did u mean
[23:40] <PeskyJ> constantine: dunno
[23:40] <benste> I don't need them in my LTSP
[23:40] <benste> I just need them on my local machine
[23:40] <DasEi> !who | ZERAlDA
[23:40] <steelcityjim> can anyone recommend a good server share applicaiton?
[23:40] <ximo> any ideas about why I can`t unlok my session in intrepid? BTW, I do type correctly my pass...
[23:40] <DasEi> ZERAlDA: lspci tells you
[23:41] <savvas> lard|arse: basically.. reconfigure :) update configuration files and everything necessary
[23:41] <TeamColtra[TFD]> I also must have used another key combo, because now in FireFox I have a text cursor when I click on a word
[23:41] <steelcityjim> I think i have seen ssh?
[23:41] <savvas> lard|arse: after that you should reboot with -11 and see if it got any better
[23:41] <fwaokda> im trying to install ophcrack-3.1.0.tar.bz2 but when i type "make" it says stop and doesn't go further can someone please help???
[23:41] <TeamColtra[TFD]> like the flashing | and when I click the down arrow... it just scrolls down text, that gets annoying...  :) Anyone know how to turn off the text cursor.. .or what that thing is really called so I can google it
[23:41] <gizmo_the_great> Hi. Got 4Gb RAM using 32-bit Ubuntu, but it only seeing 3.2Gb as per max addressable for 32-bit. Read about the PAE (Physical Address Extension) - most people seem to think that by installing server kernel (apt-get install linux-headers-server linux-image-server linux-server) that the 4Gb then becomes addressable, but when I installed it and rebooted, I still at 3.2Gb?
[23:42] <DasEi> fwaokda:ain't this a live-cd for win passwd ?
[23:42] <fwaokda> DasEi, this isn't the livecd and yet is the actual program
[23:42] <TeamColtra[TFD]> Giz I actually read an aritcle about that... basically even though a motherboard supports more than 2 GB there was something to do with it actually not being very effective to actually go over 2 GB
[23:43] <Delvien> gizmo_the_great: look for bigmem kernel
[23:43] <DasEi> fwaokda: any additional info at the stop of make ?
[23:43] <ximo> any ideas about why I can`t unlok my session in intrepid? BTW, I do type correctly my pass....
[23:43] <steelcityjim> anyone recommend a server share application?
[23:43] <steelcityjim> new to linux
[23:43] <steelcityjim> want the ability to have a remote user get files
[23:43] <Delvien> TeamColtra[TFD]: Correct, unless you are running some HEAVY applications.
[23:43] <lard|arse> savvas: ok, no errors during the reinstall... will restart with the new kernel, and if it's not wirking, will do lspci -nnv >file and diff the 2 outputs (this one and the earlier one), and uplaod both after restarting back into a working version
[23:43] <fwaokda> DasEi, make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
[23:43] <DasEi> gizmo_the_great: there is a solution for 32 bit too, but then have to recompile kernel, I#d suggest using 64 bit instead
[23:44] <Delvien> TeamColtra[TFD]: that mostly lies in the OS, mobos have evolved a bit
[23:44] <ximo> anyone?? could my problem be related with the fingerprint soft I use?
[23:44] <Delvien> DasEi: I would never suggest running 64bit on a 32bit processor, plus it adds compatabilty issues, there are other sollutions
[23:44] <Huufarted> Quick question:  I want to replace my router with an Ubuntu box.  Any particular RPMs that could give me a decent solution for this?
[23:44] <jrib> Huufarted: RPMs meaning?
[23:44] <TeamColtra[TFD]> Delvien: I knew I saw something about it I will still try to get that link as to why it does that
[23:45] <pepperjack> Huufarted: i can think of a few debs :)
[23:45] <Huufarted> sorry, might have used the wrong term.
[23:45] <DasEi> Delvien: 32 bit proc ? bad then
[23:45] <Huufarted> pepperjack, debs?
[23:45] <jrib> !rpm | Huufarted
[23:45] <Huufarted> bah, sorry jrib.  I work on Red Hat boxes almost all day long.  It's just a generic term for me.
[23:45] <unused_bagels> I've got an INTEL graphics chipset 945G (please, don't make fun, not by choice.) can anyone help me compile the driver?
[23:45] <Delvien> Huufarted: deb :)
[23:46] <Delvien> unused_bagels: shouldnt need to compile anything should be able to install the driver right from restricted drivers app, or synaptic
[23:46] <pepperjack> Huufarted: im not sure that there is any official howto in the wiki or anything but there are several good ones available.  its not bad at all
[23:46] <benste> back again with the same problem: all my client machines in virtualbox are connecteable and get IPs but woun't ping google.de
[23:47] <unused_bagels> Delvien what, do I just type in intel in synaptic?
[23:47] <mgolisch> benste: dns broken?
[23:47] <mgolisch> benste: see what is your problem
[23:47] <Huufarted> pepperjack, any suggestion for a starting point?
[23:47] <Delvien> benste: what networking option did you pick for each machine? NAT? Bridged?
[23:47] <Delvien> unused_bagels: try it
[23:48] <ximo> so...no ideas then? I repeat my problem: "any ideas about why I can`t unlok my session in intrepid? BTW, I do type correctly my pass" this also happens when i password protect my screensaver
[23:48] <benste> Delvien , mgolisch : I'm using default options which I think is NAT
[23:48] <benste> Delvien , mgolisch : All worked fine until installation of LTSP
[23:48] <Delvien> benste: can you check? guess work usually doesnt fly when trying to get help
[23:49] <Aberration> Hi all! I got a tricky problem. Is it possible to add a sound level linked to my laptop hotkeys that is not the gnome applet?
[23:49] <unused_bagels> delvien: I have intel i9xx X.org display driver it says
[23:49] <benste> Delvien what?
[23:49] <pepperjack> Huufarted: looks like we have a howto afterall https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Router
[23:49] <Delvien> benste can you check to make sure it is using NAT
[23:49] <unused_bagels> * Delvien
[23:49] <ximo> I need this for my work, company politics...and is very anoying to reboot my laptop
[23:49] <Huufarted> pepperjack, already reading that.  :) Should have Googled it to start with.
[23:49] <Delvien> unused_bagels: did it pull up something that matched in synaptic?
[23:49] <Huufarted> thanks, Pepperjack.
[23:50] <Aberration> I mean. I can't set the sound level thanks to alsamixer, nor the gnome applet, not anything. Maybe I can put another sound leveler in the end of the chain, that works fine
[23:50] <pepperjack> Huufarted: mostly just a matter of internet connection sharing and seting up a dhcpsever  the dhcpserver would only be a few changed lines in the config file and then a restart of the service and then you could use firestarter for ics its just a few mouse clicks
[23:50] <benste> delvien yes it uses NAT
[23:50] <Delvien> benste what is the guest OS?
[23:50] <unused_bagels> Delvien: that's what synaptic says I have.  But everyone in the wine IRC says that my driver must be busted or crappy, because games I could play in XP don't even resemble anything in wine.  I get serious graphical anomalies on 10 year old games.
[23:51] <Huufarted> yeah, I see that Pepperjack.  The real question isn't so much the NATing of it, but the forwarding of ports and such.
[23:51] <benste> Delvien : Ubuntu 9.04 OR Win XP - both tested
[23:51] <ximo> anyone had the same problem?
[23:51] <benste> Delvien , mgolisch :I'm switching to the vbox channel
[23:51] <Huufarted> which would be a NAT solution I guess.
[23:51] <Pirate_Hunter> does anyoen here have a fix or work around for amsn voice call system that doesnt allow a user to make voice call, everytime i try it pops up "can only have one voice call instance" something on thsoe lines
[23:51] <steelcityjim> can anyone assist with samba share set up
[23:52] <steelcityjim> not seeing the share on windows pcs
[23:52] <Delvien> unused_bagels: Windows games will run slower in linux, or not work at all. you can try reinstalling the driver, but there is no guarantee it will solve your issues.
[23:52] <Huufarted> pepperjack, that guides got the IP Tables on there.  Thanks a ton
[23:52] <steelcityjim> seeing the linux server
[23:52] <unused_bagels> steelcityjim: stand by, I have a link for you.  it solved all my problems with samba.
[23:52] <jrib> ximo: just ask your question/state your problem.  Assume the channel has 0-lines of memory unless someone is addressing you.  After reading your last two lines, I have no idea what you are seeking help with
[23:52] <steelcityjim> i think its authentication or sign on issue
[23:52] <Mood> steelcityjim: https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/serverguide/C/samba-fileserver.html
[23:52] <Delvien> unused_bagels: It's why i quit gaming on the PC platform, companies will develope for windows because MS gives them benefits and most gamers use windows. DirectX is good, ill give MS that.
[23:53] <calwig> hi, if i want to move some files with mv and only some how can i do it?  mv dsc94?? - dsc95??
[23:53] <constantine> I realize this is more of a network question, but looking at my vpn connection type options, I see "Cisco Compatible VPN" how do I know if that is right for me?
[23:53] <unused_bagels> Delvien: it isn't speed I'm concerned with, it's just plain wierdness.  I know that the games work with linux, they're on the platinum list in wine.
[23:53] <steelcityjim> wait im setting it up through the desktop gui
[23:53] <steelcityjim> not command line
[23:53] <jrib> calwig: what?  list the files you want to move:  mv file1 file2 ... fileN TARGET
[23:53] <Delvien> unused_bagels: The lists in wine are not reliable. period.
[23:54] <calwig> jrib: Hi, well for example photographs  DSC0001.JPG until DSC0100.JPG
[23:54] <ximo> Ok. I am sorry. My problem is the following: When I block my session or I password protect my screensaver, I can`t unlock it, it tells me my pass is invalid, and i am entering correctly. I use the 8.10 version.
[23:54] <Pirate_Hunter> does anyoen here have a fix or work around for amsn voice call system that doesnt allow a user to make voice call, everytime i try it pops up "can only have one voice call instance" something on thsoe lines
[23:54] <unused_bagels> steelcityjim: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=202605
[23:54] <rdw200169> unused_bagels, WineHQ's AppDB is very good though
[23:54] <Delvien> unused_bagels: I hate to be the rain on the parade, but WINE isnt good, it's getting there, and they have done a stellar job with nothing to work with, what works for one person may not work for another.
[23:54] <jrib> calwig: you can use DSC{0001,0100} for that
[23:54] <unused_bagels> rdw200169: I used the appdb.  I did everything it said.  It's my graphics card.
[23:54] <Okashi> Is this a good place to ask about getting mic to work?
[23:55] <calwig> jrib: mv DSC{0001,0100}.JPG /home/??
[23:55] <unused_bagels> rdw200169: I was hoping that it was just the driver, because I had ppl look at my screens and they all said it was the driver ;-;
[23:55] <Delvien> Okashi: ask away
[23:55] <rdw200169> unused_bagels, what are you trying to play?
[23:55] <jrib> calwig: sure, though I doubt you want to move them to /home
[23:55] <ximo> My problem is the following: When I block my session or I password protect my screensaver, I can`t unlock it, it tells me my pass is invalid, and i am entering correctly. I use the 8.10 version.
[23:55] <oax> I ahve a system where openoffice works for all users except one.   when she tries to start openoffice, the splash appears and then goes away.  no error messages in the terminal
[23:55] <unused_bagels> Delvien: What would you suggest, sir? I don't plan to just give up on PC games, because frankly, I'm not impressed with too many open source games I've found in synaptic.
[23:55] <Okashi> OK, I plug in a headset and the mic doesn't work. I've read through the guides and I still can't get it to work
[23:56] <oax> i tried removing .openoffice.org2
[23:56] <oax> no effect
[23:56] <unused_bagels> rdw200169: guild wars and Soldier of Fortune, GTAIII Old games.
[23:56] <jrib> ximo: weird.  Have you checked caps lock, etc?  Does this reliably happen every time?  Can you still login at tty?
[23:56] <calwig> jrib: it was only an example, but is that the right string? DSC{0001,0100}.jpg?
[23:56] <jrib> calwig: yes, that will work
[23:56] <fow> unused_bagels, old games will work plenty fine (except Splinter Cell)
[23:56] <pepperjack> ximo: so basically you have to alt-ctrl-f2 and then login and kill the process or alt-ctrl-backspace to kill x..that sucks :)
[23:56] <ximo> yes i can, is only in those cases
[23:56] <rdw200169> unused_bagels, you could take a shot at cedega
[23:56] <fow> It's /really/ crucial that you have good video card drivers though, unused_bagels
[23:56] <Delvien> unused_bagels: oh, me neither. I am not too familiar with the intel chipset. Try doing a "complete removal" in synaptic, reboot, install again
[23:56] <calwig> jrib: nice, ill try it on a few files, thanks much :)
[23:56] <ximo> yes it does.. :(
[23:57] <dee25> how u use remote desktop
[23:57] <ximo> i have checked caps lock
[23:57] <unused_bagels> fow that's what I've been trying to do, get a better driver.
[23:57] <dee25> to connect to someones computer
[23:57] <rdw200169> unused_bagels, you have to pay for it, it's not much, but at least they do all the dirty work for you ;)
[23:57] <AidenL> This is a Nagios error (already asked in #nagios)...Im having an error where the commands ($CONTACTEMAIL$) arn't being parsed. Some of them are though, such as $SERVICEDESC$, any ideas?
[23:57] <unused_bagels> rdw200169: but still, would it work with an intel chipset?
[23:57] <fow> unused_bagels, yeah, it's what's given me the most headache when it comes to gaming
[23:57] <steelcityjim> ok this is all command line also
[23:57] <pepperjack> dee25: rdesktop is the app i use
[23:57] <rdw200169> unused_bagels, that i don't know
[23:57] <ximo> the problem is that i need to lock my session at work, comapny politics
[23:57] <unused_bagels> fow do you has intel chipset too?
[23:57] <fow> yes, I do
[23:58] <fow> 965GMA
[23:58] <pepperjack> dee25: thats for terminal services connections like to a windows box allowing remote desktop connections
[23:58] <s4a> dee25, Accessories-->System-->Preferences-->Remote Desktop
[23:58] <unused_bagels> fow how do you get around the headache of its crappiness?
[23:58] <fow> but I need a nap, so nn
[23:58] <munkh> hi
[23:58] <fow> unused_bagels, if you have everything set up with GEM, it's not crappy
[23:58] <unused_bagels> fow nooooo okay.... ::weeps::
[23:58] <lard|arse> savvas: back in -9 now... booted up in -11 and had no connection. did lspci -nnv and diffed it against the output i got from the command in -9, and there's one entry showing as unknown... do you want the whole file or just the diff?
[23:58] <jrib> calwig: note that does stupid expansion and doesn't care if the files exist
[23:58] <unused_bagels> fow what's GEM
[23:58] <munkh> pomoc
[23:58] <ximo> pepperjack: do you have any possible solutions?
[23:59] <fow> unused_bagels, Google for phoronix and GEM
[23:59] <fow> I'm out forrealz
[23:59] <unused_bagels> fow ty, I'll try. enjoy your nap.
[23:59] <calwig> jrib: expansion?
[23:59] <ximo> jrib: It is only in those casaes


[07:04] <TheAbsentOne> Owkey I'm gonna try this here too guys, maybe a genius, as you all are, can help me. So I'm having the same issue for mysql as for postgres. I want to edit privileges so the credentials I (correctly receive) also allow a completely different host to use them and connect to the database.
[07:04] <TheAbsentOne> For mysql I had the idea to use pymysql (a library) and connect from within my charm (that is directly connected to mysql). I can connect and use the database perfectly. So I thought I'm gonna run a grant all privileges query from within this charm. I noticed however that the created user doesn't have grant privileges.
[07:05] <TheAbsentOne> This means that I cannot edit the newly created user to allow him to access from other hosts but the direct connected charm. Hence I'm stuck, does anyone know a workaround?
[07:28] <stub> TheAbsentOne: Either the pgbouncer charm is broken, or you are attempting to connect to the PostgreSQL server directly rather than via the pgbouncer proxy. If the '...' in 'rejects connection for host ...' is the pgbouncer IP address, then the charm is broken.
[07:32] <TheAbsentOne> stub: when trying to connect with adminer from my charm (directly connected to pgbouncer) to pgbouncer I receive: "Unable to connect to PostgreSQL server: could not connect to server: Connection refused Is the server running on host "<IP_ADDRESS>" and accepting TCP/IP connections on port 5432?"
[07:33] <TheAbsentOne> the portnumber I received however was "6432" unsure if that is the issue
[07:35] <stub> pgbouncer by default runs on a different port, so if you use a different port than what you were given it will not work.
[07:36] <TheAbsentOne> a netstat shows he listens on 6432, so it might be adminer here
[07:39] <TheAbsentOne> stub it was the port, I didn't check it my bad! Just like you said it works from my far away charm as well! A huge thanks man, I'm glad this means I have at least postgres working now <3
[07:39] <TheAbsentOne> You don't have, by any chance, an idea to work around my mysql issue?
[07:40] <stub> I'm not at all familiar with mysql, and only vaguely with the charm. I think it has an administrative as well as a standard relation endpoint? You might need to use the adminstrative one if you need more privs
[07:43] <stub> Devs like their apps to bootstrap their own schema, but DBAs and security analysts like the apps to run with restricted permissions and setup to be done from an isolated system with the higher level of privs.
[07:44] <TheAbsentOne> yeah I completely understand and I think it's a good security measure stub, I'm using the mysql-shared interface and the interfaces I'm gonna try with the mysql-root interface now
[07:45] <TheAbsentOne> I'm just a bit stunned from the sql part, stub. I thought it would be possible for a user to grant himself privileges to add more host support but it seems that's impossible :/
[07:46] <TheAbsentOne> anyways big thanks man!
[13:51] <cablekevin> Question, i can't find a known bug regarding to JuJu and MAAS (in particular
[13:51] <cablekevin>  file:"github.com/juju/gomaasapi/controller.go", line:885). The controller forces it to use a wrong URL to get the MAAS version.
[13:51] <cablekevin> Output of JuJu: https://pastebin.com/VJKHittk
[13:51] <cablekevin> Pardon me for my crappy copy/paste
[13:54] <cablekevin> Bootstrapping juju doesn't really want to work for me because of this issue
[13:54] <cablekevin> The request URL is clearly not correct
[14:48] <rick_h_> cablekevin: is that the url in your cloud setup? You did an add-cloud for MAAS and told it where the MAAS was? It should verify it can contact the MAAS as part of that add-cloud walk through
[14:54] <cablekevin> hi rick_h_
[14:54] <cablekevin> the result of juju show-cloud is: endpoint: http://<IP_ADDRESS>/MAAS
[14:54] <cablekevin> and that is valid
[14:55] <cablekevin> but what i see is that the endpoint "/MAAS/api/2.0/version" does not work and "/MAAS/api/version" works
[14:55] <cablekevin> However when juju is bootstrapping i cannot specify that specific endpoint (not that i want to do so)
[14:55] <rick_h_> cablekevin: what version of Juju is this?
[14:56] <cablekevin> Maas: 2.3.3 and Juju: 2.3.8
[14:56] <cablekevin> On Xenial
[14:56] <rick_h_> cablekevin: hmm http://maas.mydomain/MAAS/api/2.0/version/ does work for me on my MAAS
[14:56] <rick_h_> cablekevin: it should work with the trailing /
[14:57] <rick_h_> cablekevin: which is in the log you pasted
[14:57] <cablekevin> hmmmm let me check
[14:57] <cablekevin> i can confirm that the trailing "/" makes it work
[14:58] <rick_h_> cablekevin: so I read the log that the juju client in question is having a hard time reaching the IP address vs the URL being incorrect
[14:58] <cablekevin> you are correct
[14:59] <cablekevin> it's weird, it should be correct
[14:59] <cablekevin> and it should work actually
[15:01] <cablekevin> i think my internal/external addresses are being mixed up
[15:01] <cablekevin> thanks for pointing me in another direction other than what i was gazing at
[15:02] <rick_h_> cablekevin: np, let me know if we can help in any way. Appreciate you pushing through it.
[15:45] <cablekevin> it's working now :)
[15:45] <cablekevin> learned a lot by getting it done the hard way
[15:45] <cablekevin> really appreciate it rick_h_
[15:54] <cory_fu_> jamespage: You around?
[16:08] <jamespage> cory_fu_: yeah sorry sound was muted - missed your ping!
[16:09] <rick_h_> cablekevin: awesome, glad you got it running
[16:17] <cory_fu_> jamespage: No worries.  You up for cutting a charmhelpers release?  Or any objection to me doing it?
[16:17] <jamespage> cory_fu_: please feel free!
[16:18] <cory_fu_> jamespage: +1  Thanks
[16:22] <cory_fu_> jamespage: Was going to call this 0.19.0 to follow semver, since goal_state is a new feature, but it's a pretty small release, so just wanted to make sure you didn't prefer 0.18.12
[16:22] <jamespage> cory_fu_: lets go with 0.19.0
[16:26] <cory_fu_> jamespage, kwmonroe: 0.19.0 is out
[16:39] <kwmonroe> +100
[16:39] <kwmonroe> thx cory_fu_
[16:39] <kwmonroe> 9 for you
[16:41] <TheAbsentOne> hey kwmonroe you don't have, by any chance, a minimal working example for your mysql-root interface that requests a database as well. I'm kinda confused with the documentation :s
[19:59] <ItsAllRigh> Anyone able to help out with a 'space binding' issue with deployments?
[21:27] <KingJ> Silly question... can Juju's controller be in a different cloud to the machines it orchestrates? I want to deploy my Juju controller on AWS/GKE etc, but actually deploy to bare-metal machines locally via MAAS.
[22:18] <wpk> KingJ: Single model needs to be on the same cloud, controller can control multiple models on different clouds. As long as there's connectivity between controller and machines in the model.
[22:22] <KingJ> So the initial model needs to be in the controller's cloud, but subsequent models that are created can be targeted to any cloud so long as there is connectivity between the controller in cloud A and machines in cloud B? What connectivity is needed - just Machines->Juju plus Juju->Cloud API or does Juju need to be able to reach the machines directly?
[22:29] <wpk> IIRC you are correct (regarding the connectivity)
[22:30] <KingJ> Great, thanks for the info :)
[22:58] <rick_h_> KingJ: no, you have to have the controller on the same cloud so it's using the same provider but can do different regions of that cloud
[22:59] <rick_h_> KingJ: JAAS provides a cross public cloud but doesn't work with MAAS since that's got a lot of requirements to make sure your private network/etc in MAAS can reach out
[22:59] <rick_h_> and howdy wpk :)


[07:17] <mac_v> DanRabbit: ping... hi, i'v been doing a couple of your icons in 128 px for personal use.you wanted me to inform you if i did the svg , do you want them exactly as they were done for other sizes or more details added?
[07:18] <mac_v> i find keeping them similar to to other sizes would be better
[07:18] <mac_v> to the*
[07:40] <DanRabbit> mac_v: whatever you've got :D
[07:42] <mac_v> DanRabbit: i'v done only a couple of them for now , but will be doing more ... i'll send them when they are done :)
[07:42] <DanRabbit> Cool, I'm excited :D
[12:51] <mac_v> djsiegel1: what about thunderbird and messaging menu? < isnt it an unresolved issue too?
[13:10] <djsiegel1> mac_v: what about it?
[13:11] <mac_v> djsiegel1: it needs to be added to the unresolved issues! i would have added it , but since it is a specs page , didnt
[13:11] <djsiegel1> ok
[23:08] <bratsche> Hey mccann, how are you?
[23:09] <mccann> hey bratsche
[23:09] <mccann> not bad
[23:09] <mccann> you?
[23:09] <bratsche> Not bad.  Just doing some late night hacking and chatting. :)
[23:09] <bratsche> Which means not the most productive hacking. :)
[23:09] <mccann> night.  where are you?
[23:10] <bratsche> In Dublin this week
[23:10] <mccann> not TX i guess
[23:10] <mccann> ah
[23:10] <mccann> sweet
[23:10] <bratsche> Going back to Dallas in two days.
[23:10] <bratsche> Looking forward to it.
[23:10] <bratsche> Although Dublin is actually pretty nice now.
[23:10] <mccann> now?
[23:10] <bratsche> I didn't like it so much the previous time I was here.
[23:11] <bratsche> I'm not sure why.
[23:11] <mccann> i've never been
[23:11] <bratsche> Hey ted!
[23:11] <bratsche> tedg: Did you go to the Guinness-whateverit'scalled-place?
[23:12] <tedg> bratsche: Yes.  Saw the largest-pint-glass-atrium in the world.   If my life is, in fact this morning, following the absence of the atriums.
[23:15] <bratsche> http://www.redheadedleague.com/tp/#121780
[23:15] <bratsche> This is my new favorite thing in the world.
[23:17] <tedg> Heh, that's funny.


[12:46] <tomreyn> hi
[12:46] <tomreyn> so i wrote this in #ubuntu
[12:46] <tomreyn> for ubuntu 128 GB is plenty, but it may not be sufficient to store user data
[12:46] <tomreyn> ^ and got this. does this make sense?
[15:22] <Unit193> tomreyn: 'ubuntu' is the name of a bugtracker, it's like saying LP 982134 or Debian 38923
[15:53] <tomreyn> Unit193: apparently so :) maybe those could be renamed without breaking something. just an idea, but i canimagine it's picky.
[15:54] <tomreyn> (and it's maybe enough of a corner case since i hadn't noticed it so far)
[15:55] <Unit193> Seems like it'd be a pretty fair corner case.
[16:02] <tomreyn> ye. for something entirely different: ubottu's !info doesn't know about focal, yet. nor does packages.ubuntu.com. but rmadison / dak ls does.
[17:06] <Unit193> ubot93: info firefox focal
[17:07] <Unit193> ubot93: info src:firefox focal
[17:07] <Unit193> tomreyn: It's still pretty fresh, I'd imagine they'll be adding it soon.
[17:35] <tomreyn> ah so ubot93 can do it already, nice
[17:39] <Unit193> Yeah but it's a weird bot.
[18:25] <tomreyn> at least if you go by its realname


[00:16] <achiang> hello, i'm reading the man page for bzr merge and find it a little confusing. let's say i have r1, r2, and r3. i want to revert r2, obviously keep r1, and am ambivalent about r3 (it can stay, i don't care). do i want bzr revert -r r2, or do i actually want merge . -r r2..r3 ?
[00:19] <spiv> achiang: "revert" is a command to revert the working copy back to the a checked in version.
[00:20] <spiv> achiang: to undo a committed change you need merge
[00:20] <achiang> spiv: oh hm. sorry, i am using git terminology; i should have studied the bzr man page a little more
[00:20] <spiv> achiang: specifically, to undo the changes in r2
[00:20] <spiv> achiang: you'd do "bzr merge . -r 2..1"
[00:21] <spiv> achiang: note the backward revision range, because you want to reverse the change :)
[00:21] <achiang> spiv: hm, what happens to r3 in that case?
[00:22] <spiv> Nothing.
[00:22] <spiv> It's a cherrypick.
[00:23] <achiang> ok. i'll try that
[00:23] <spiv> It doesn't add a pending merge to the working copy, it is like a more convenient and robust version of generating a diff of that revision and applying it backwards.
[00:28] <achiang> ok, i just did that, and here is some sample output: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/540859/
[00:28] <achiang> why does the merge message tell me that debian/changelog was modified, but bzr status does not?
[00:29] <fullermd> You missed the '.' in the merge command line.  You want to 'merge' from the local branch, not the parent.
[00:30] <achiang> ugh
[00:30] <fullermd> (it MAY be the same rev of course, if both branches are up-to-date identical)
[00:31] <fullermd> The merge message probably means whatever that rev range is made a change to the chanelog, but the end result was the same as what you already have.
[00:31] <achiang> oh, ok. i can buy that explanation
[00:32] <achiang> thanks spiv and fullermd
[00:33] <achiang> btw, i know you must hate comparisons to git, but this is one operation i find to be much more conceptually straightforward in git. i just did a quick google of 'svn revert' and realize bzr has similar behavior, but perhaps our man page could be improved?
[00:34] <maxb> achiang: Educate us, how does this work in git? :-)
[00:34] <achiang> specifically, in the 'bzr merge' page, the line that says, "To merge the changes introduced by 82, without previous changes:"; might be nicer to say, "To drop the changes introduced by 82..."
[00:35] <achiang> maxb: git revert <revspec>
[00:35] <fullermd> maxb: 'git revert X' ~= 'bzr merge -rX..last:X . ; bzr ci'
[00:35] <maxb> hmm
[00:35] <achiang> maxb: git reset is the equivalent of bzr revert
[00:35] <fullermd> git reset is sometimes bzr reset, and sometimes uncommit, and sometimes pull --overwrite.
[00:35] <achiang> and again, i know the primary use case is probably svn users, so i'm not trying to point fingers or anything...
[00:36] <achiang> but i did try to read the merge man page after someone pointed me at it, and i don't think i would have figured out how to actually drop my change without asking
[00:36] <fullermd> achiang: That example line isn't talking about reversing changes, it's talking about a cherrypick merge.
[00:36] <achiang> hm, perhaps i'm just especially dense. :-/
[00:37] <fullermd> It's about "get the changes from just rev 82 of the other branch", not "reverse rev 82 of this branch"
[00:37] <spiv> There have been some small tweaks to the merge help text in trunk.
[00:37] <achiang> perhaps an example for "reversing changes" would be helpful then?
[00:38] <fullermd> The 'revert' help actually mentions using merge for reversing stuff.
[00:38] <achiang> fullermd: i dunno... i read that help and scratched my head for a while before asking here.
[00:39] <fullermd> Second paragraph of the description.  At least in 2.2 and .dev; I don't have anything earlier right at hand, but I don't think it's all that new.
[00:39] <achiang> right, i'm saying i stared at that 2nd paragraph and it didn't make any sense to me.
[00:40] <achiang> and it's backwards from what spiv just advised me on
[00:40] <achiang> modulo the fact that i forgot to include "." (my own fault)
[00:40] <fullermd> No, it's the same, it's just using negative revnos rather than positive.
[00:41] <achiang> wow.
[00:41] <achiang> i had no clue
[00:42] <spiv> I wonder if that example would be clearer if it didn't use negative revnos (even though saying "undo the 2nd last commit" is probably a pretty common use case).
[00:43] <fullermd> I think of it as a good example of the meta- of the online help that makes me grumpy  :p
[00:44] <fullermd> It's sorta quick-ref, except when it's sorta comprehensive-ref, except when it's sorta command-centric-tutorial, except when it's sorta general-tutorial, except when it's sorta buncha-examples, except...
[00:44] <achiang> i mean, you could even keep the negative revnos, but just change the wording
[00:45] <achiang> "For example, "merge . --revision -2..-3" will remove the changes introduced by second to last commit (-2), without affecting the changes introduced by the last commit (-1)"
[00:45] <achiang> or something similar
[00:45] <fullermd> We should use the word 'reverse' there.  'remove' implies the rev is gone, which isn't the case, and 'revert' creates confusion with the revert command.
[00:46] <spiv> achiang: i.e. just be explicit about the meaning of -2 and -1?  Seems reasonable to me.
[00:46] <fullermd> Or we could just add a 'reverse' command.  That would be a nice thin layer on merge...
[00:46] <achiang> spiv: yes. i didn't realize those were negative revnos -- i just thought it was some weird convention passed to --revision
[00:48] <spiv> achiang, fullermd: those tweaks sound good to me.  I'll make them now.
[00:49] <achiang> spiv: thanks!
[00:49] <spiv> fullermd: hmm, actually, I'm ambivalent about the using "reverse"
[00:49] <fullermd> I'd half suggest using '-r' instead of '--revision' too.  On the one hand, being explicit and spelt-out is nice, but on the other, who ever actually types --revision?
[00:49] <maxb> vila: 2.3b4 now uploaded to bzr-beta-ppa/maverick. I have a feeling it's going to fail the testsuite though, based on local experimentation
[00:50] <spiv> fullermd: I think it may be as harmful as it is helpful to have yet another term for that added to the text.  Not sure.
[00:51] <fullermd> Well, I don't necessarily mean a formal Term, just the choice of verb.  You could call it "constructing the complement", but I'm not sure that would be helpful either  ;)
[00:54] <spiv> fullermd: sure.  My concern is basically that we should try to use as few different words for the same thing as possible, to avoid confusing new users that don't know all the nuances yet.
[00:57] <fullermd> Oh, yes.  But I think using 'remove' or 'revert' or the like is worse, because it implies incorrect things.  You're not _removing_ anything, you're creating a new thing on top that's an undo.
[00:58] <fullermd> But I'm half feverish at the moment, so I could be talking in Chinchilla or something for all I know...
[00:58] <achiang> there you go... "to undo..."
[01:06] <spiv> achiang, fullermd: https://code.launchpad.net/~spiv/bzr/tweak-revert-help/+merge/43036
[03:36] <sqwishy> When people make pushes to my branch, file permissions seem to get modified under the .bzr directory so that files are owned by whoever made the push. Is that normal or is my configuration wonky?
[06:43] <jmarsden> I just encountered a bzr crash, I reported it as bug #687266.  Anything else I can usefully do, or can anyone advise how to work around this? Running bzr 2.1.1-1 on Ubuntu 10.04.1
[06:48] <spiv> jmarsden: install the bzr-loom plugin
[06:49] <spiv> The error ought to be clearer, and say something like "Unrecognised branch format: 'Bazaar-NG Loom branch format 6\n'
[06:49] <spiv> " though.
[06:49] <jmarsden> spiv: OK, will do, but why is a plugin needed just to branch something from LP?  Is this a new requirement?
[06:51] <jmarsden> Seems to have worked, thanks.  I'll update the bug report with this workaround.
[06:51] <spiv> jmarsden: that branch has been created in the loom format
[06:52] <spiv> So you'd have to ask the branch owner why they chose to do that.  (Although it is a pretty common plugin, I like it!)
[06:52] <spiv> It's not a general requirement for branching from Launchpad.
[06:52] <spiv> Just for branches in that format :)
[06:52] <jmarsden> Ah, OK.  Good :)
[06:52] <spiv> Kind of like how you can't branch from an SVN branch without the bzr-svn plugin ;)
[06:53] <spiv> (Although of course LP doesn't host SVN natively)
[06:53] <jmarsden> Well, sure... but crashing because the plugin is not there does not seem like reasonable error handling (or reasonable UI)
[06:54] <spiv> Agreed, and I just updated the bug to say so :)
[06:55] <jmarsden> I should have refreshed my lp page before adding a comment :)  OK, thanks.
[07:20] <vila> grr why did libssl requires a reboot when upgraded oh why ?
[07:56] <vila> mgz: You're reading above my shoulder again... Thanks for fixing the last remaining failures on OSX-10.5 :D
[08:02] <vila> maxb: thanks for updating the beta ppa ! I don't get what you meant by 'fail the testsuite' though ?
[09:34] <vila> fullermd: ping
[09:35] <vila> sheesh, is he *sleeping* ? :D
[09:36] <fullermd> No, just sick.
[09:38] <jelmer> g'morning vila, fullermd!
[09:38] <vila> jelmer: hey !
[09:38] <vila> fullermd: oooh, may be you should... sleep then ? ;)
[09:39] <fullermd> I'd love too.  I've tried on and off for the last 18 hours   :|
[09:42] <vila> urgh, bad bad bad
[09:46] <vila> booo for lp going offline ! Yeah for timely notices on my last page refresh !!!
[09:48] <jelmer> :)
[09:55] <maxb> vila: 2.3b4 is in PPA for maverick I'll do the other series today. it surprised me by passing tests
[09:55] <vila> maxb: great !
[09:55] <maxb> bash_completion tests must be being upset by my local environment
[09:55] <vila> maxb: But I still don't get why you're surprised... haaaa
[09:56] <vila> maxb: I almost never see them fail on babune, so yeah, you may want to investigate locally
[09:57] <maxb> on the plus side, the ppa is now running all tests, not just --no-plugins
[09:58] <vila> maxb: wow, that's... a very good news :)
[10:10] <vila> http://babune.ladeuil.net:24842/job/selftest-osx-10.5/ BLUE !
[10:10] <vila> mgz: kudos !
[11:25] <mgz> yeay, a blue mac. now, why is 10.6 weird...
[11:26] <spiv> A blue mac?  Aren't those like 15 years old? :P
[11:26] <fullermd> That's why it took so long to get through the tests   :p
[11:26] <vila> mgz: so, the doc_generate ones are due to a version too recent (I think)
[11:27] <vila> the bzr_connect_to_bzr_ssh, well, I've stopped complaining about this test :(
[11:27] <mgz> the bp.launchpad ones also look like some kind of installation issue
[11:28] <vila> yeah probably, I should look into it and update the osx-installers requirements if that's the case
[11:28] <mgz> so, six failures from setup things, and one from ssh hating us.
[11:29] <vila> in the later case, it may well be an out of date paramiko (which is weird since we embed a patched one in the osx installer, but may be we don't patch the installed one)
[11:30] <vila> which in turn would mean *I* patched the 10.5 installed one... I just love untracked admin tweaks...
[11:30] <fullermd> You should get some kinda version control system to keep track of that stuff.
[11:31] <vila> good idea !
[11:31] <vila> The admins need to be lectured to use it though, which is the hardest part ;)
[11:32] <fullermd> So mass executions it is, then.  I'll warm up my lawnmower.
[11:34] <vila> weird, it seems launchpadlib is installed on 10.6 but not 10.5, so failing to import it on 10.5 masks the lazr.uri import error :)
[11:36] <mgz> that sounds fine, not having it means some things don't run.
[11:36] <mgz> but... launchpadlib should depend on lazr shouldn't it?
[11:37] <vila> hrm, no I think the problem is that 10.5 has apython-2.6 installed on top of the system provided 2.5 and the later is used to build installers but the former is used to run the tests
[11:37] <vila> that's *wrong*
[11:37] <fullermd> It's not wrong, it's *agile*!
[11:38] <vila> it should use the system-provided one or we're not tested what we should be testing %-)
[11:38] <vila> s/tested/testing/
[11:39] <vila> damn admins again
[11:40] <vila> mgz: launchpadlib shouldn't assume that it has been correctly packaged
[11:41] <mgz> hmmp...
[11:47] <vila> hmm, I kind of require that babune slaves have bzr installed (if only for bootstrapping), so this issue is naughty: the launchpadlib shipped in the osx installers lacks lazr.uri (all of lazr in fact), so making the tests succeed requires: a valid setup, requiring a valid launchpadlib packaged in the installed bzr...
[11:49] <mgz> hm. can you not unselect launchpadlib on install?
[11:49] <mgz> something to work out with the mac installers at any rate
[11:50] <vila> sounds like the fastest workaround, and I should discuss with doxxx why it included an incomplete launchpadlib there (which also requires a bunch of other stuff including simplejson, httplib2, oauth and whatnot)
[11:51] <vila> lunch time here, bbl
[11:52] <mgz> and I needed to leave ten mins ago.
[12:53] <echo-area> I'm not sure this: Does bzrtools add color support for bzr shelve?
[12:53] <echo-area> For I see colorful diffs after I installed bzrtools yesterday.
[13:40] <vila> mgz: even simpler is to make the tests check for the required module: https://code.launchpad.net/~vila/bzr/687315-lazr-uri/+merge/43079
[14:22] <vila> mgz: the ssh error on 10.6 is probably the paramiko bug involving ipv6 (it seems there is *no* way to disable v6 on lo0...)
[14:23] <vila> mgz: so the alternative is to carry spiv's patch for paramiko in the OSX installers...
[14:50] <mgz> I'm not convinced about the launchpadlib dependency thing, it's a deliberate pain to install because of that, if the mac installers work around and break it somehow, I think it's their bug.
[14:51] <mgz> However, carrying a patched paramiko I thought they did already, and will become increasingly nessersary.
[14:53] <vila> mgz: who is 'their' ?
[14:54] <mgz> the mac installer.
[14:54] <vila> mgz: yes, paramiko was patched but for the rng warning, not the ipv6 family (bug #579530)
[14:54] <vila> mgz: and the fix would be ?
[14:54] <mgz> okay, that one should just be added to the bundle as well.
[14:54] <vila> mgz: carrying more dependencies that are useless there ?
[14:54] <mgz> ^personally, I'd remove launchpadlib, the windows installers don't include it because it's a pain in the bum.
[14:54] <vila> mgz: I'm adding the paramiko patch right now
[14:55] <mgz> people who want to use lp-propose can install seperately.
[14:55] <mgz> otherwise, the dependencies need to be correctly bundled.
[14:56] <vila> mgz: are you sure it's only for lp-propose ?
[14:57] <mgz> and perhaps a couple of other neat little launchpad plugins commands one of the ABs added.
[14:57] <mgz> aaron?
[14:58] <mgz> you certainly don't need it to do basic lp interactions.
[15:00] <vila> rhaaa doxxx where are you ? :D
[15:00] <vila> and garyvdm... :-/
[16:14] <hazmat> is there any way to have bzr pipeline commands execute a hook prior to moving to the prev/next pipe, i'd like to cleanup cached pyc files, as they cause spurious conflicts when stepping through the pipeline
[16:25] <maxb> hazmat: erm, why would you have .pyc files under version control? Or do I misunderstand what you mean by conflict?
[16:26] <hazmat> maxb, there not under version control, but if i have them in a directory added in one pipe, and switch to one where the directory doesn't exist, bzr complains that it can remove the directories because their not empty (due to the pyc files), and i have manually resolve the conflict
[16:26] <hazmat> s/there/their
[16:26] <maxb> ah, I see
[16:27] <exarkun> hazmat: s/their/they're/ first ;)
[16:27] <hazmat> exarkun, indeed :-)
[16:27] <exarkun> I think I've had a similar problem with looms.  I haven't used pipelines yet.
[16:28] <maxb> Hmm, so really you need a pre_merge hook
[16:29] <maxb> I think the only thing you could do *right now* would be to wrap the switch-pipe command.
[16:30] <maxb> A more general solution would be to put a pre_merge hook into bzr core, and then hook that
[16:36] <hazmat> maxb, thanks, i think for now, i'll just hook,  PipelineManager.store_uncommitted to cleanup pyc files, its not elegant but it should solve the problem for me. a pre-merge hook looks like it would nicely as well.
[16:38] <rjek> Hi.  Is there web-based branch viewer like Loggerhead or bzrweb that won't make me miserable trying to read Python backtraces while trying to work out why they don't work?
[16:40] <Meths> launchpad does well at hiding traces and just telling you it doesn't work when it doesn't work. ;P
[16:40] <vila> hazmat: you want to try bzr.transform.orphan_policy=move
[16:41] <vila> hazmat: this requires bzr-2.3b2
[16:42] <hazmat> vila, interesting that would work as well
[16:43] <vila> hazmat: .pyc files are the primary target...
[16:53] <achiang> hello, i have a question regarding bzr bound branches -- i can't actually tell if i want one or not. i'm trying to work with the desktop team's libgtk2.0 branch, so what i've done so far is: bzr branch lp:~desktop-team/gtk/ubuntu ; bzr branch -r <lucid revspec> ubuntu lucid
[16:53] <achiang> that 2nd step created a bound branch for me (which i didn't realize until later)
[16:53] <achiang> ok, so i go into lucid, make a trivial change to debian/changelog, and then try a debcommit
[16:54] <achiang> now it complains about it being a bound branch
[16:54] <achiang> i go to the wiki and read about bound branches
[16:54] <achiang> and i can see that i can unbind my lucid branch
[16:54] <achiang> but... honestly, i don't know what the right thing to do here is
[16:55] <achiang> the idea is that i want to backport commits from the upstream 'ubuntu' branch back to this new 'lucid' branch that i created
[16:55] <vila> achiang: the second step didn't create a bound branch, you probably did something else to get it bound
[16:56] <vila> achiang: just 'bzr unbind' it until you need it to be bound
[16:56] <achiang> vila: oops, you're right -- i did a bzr checkout, not bzr branch
[16:56] <vila> achiang: *if* you ever need it to be bound
[16:57] <vila> achiang: ha, then 'bzr help reconfigure', I think you want 'bzr reconfigure --tree'
[16:58] <achiang> i'm just going to use the bzr branch command
[16:58] <vila> achiang: and 'bzr info' before/after to better understand where you are
[16:58] <vila> oh, if you can restart, then that's better
[16:58] <achiang> yes, like i said, i'm just playing around right now and have only made a single trivial change
[17:00] <achiang> vila: thanks for the help
[17:00] <vila> achiang: happy to help (TM)
[18:55] <knittl> why is log on a subdirectory slow as hell?
[19:56] <jubei__> is there a way to use a specific ssh key that is not ~/.ssh/id_dsa with bazaar ?
[19:58] <bob2> yes, configure it in ~/.ssh/config
[21:13] <rjek> Hi.  Is there web-based branch viewer like Loggerhead or bzrweb that won't make me miserable trying to read Python backtraces while trying to work out why they don't work?
[21:14] <rjek> bzrweb works to the extent that it can list the branches correctly, but then I get a meaningless backtrace from it when you try to visit a branch through it.
[21:14] <rjek> And loggerhead appears to have no documentation for setting it up at all, but you do get a meaningless (to me) backtrace if you try to run the enticingly-named "setup.py"
[21:49] <mgz> okay, so bzrlib.osutils.normalizepath is: ancient, undocumented, untested, and cruft-ridden
[21:50] <mgz> I'd love to just delete it, but this needs to land on all version 2.0 and up.
[23:02] <al`> hi all
[23:02] <al`> I seem to be unable to use plugins reliably
[23:03] <al`> or, at least, I cannot make work fast-import at all
[23:03] <al`> error is: "bzr: ERROR: Unable to import library "fastimport": No module named fastimport"
[23:05] <al`> however, ${PYTHONPATH}/bzrlib/plugins definitively contains a directory named "fastimport"
[23:07] <mgz> and `bzr plugins` lists it?
[23:08] <spiv> al`: I think the bzr-fastimport plugin relies on a python library called 'fastimport'
[23:08] <spiv> al`: so that may be what it is complaining about.
[23:09] <al`> yes
[23:09] <al`> modular crap
[23:10] <al`> of course, FreeBSD does not package this thing
[23:10] <al`> so I'll have to build it locally
[23:11] <maxb> I don't think it contains any compiled code, so the build should be trivial
[23:11] <al`> still
[23:11] <maxb> still?
[23:12] <al`> I should not have to get 15k different module to do what I'm doing
[23:12] <al`> that should be all shipped with bazaar, with minimal external dependency
[23:12] <al`> hopefully this will be my only contact with bazaar, ie. once this work, I'm going back to git
[23:15] <spiv> I wonder what al` is doing.
[23:17] <maxb> My guess is installing bzr & bzr-fastimport for a single operation, and getting unjustly annoyed about it
[23:17] <maxb> erm, wtf, in the topic: "http://irclogs.ubuntu.copingeling aboutm/"
[23:26] <knittl> does bzr use hardlinks when creating a local clone?
[23:49] <spiv> knittl: not by default, you can hardlink the files in the tree by passing the --hardlink option though
[23:53] <spiv> If you want to save space, you probably want to use a shared repository.  And if you want to save time, a shared repository is probably the best answer there too.  We've found that hardlinking the files in the working tree (which has to check each file to see if it has been modified) tends to be slower than just extracting the files directly out of the repository.
[23:55] <spiv> Shared repository + hardlinked working trees is the maximum space saving though, assuming you want to have multiple working trees on disk simultaneously, rather than one tree that you switch between your different branches.