[07:08] <SonikkuAmerica> Beldar: Cute comma :)
[07:32] <FuLgOrE> Hi. Is anybody working on the N5 image at the moment? Is anybody working on the sound and wifi issue?
[07:32] <FuLgOrE> And have anybody seen rsalveti?
[07:47] <SonikkuAmerica> FuLgOrE: The N5 image is no longer official, and I can't say whether or not it's being actively developed, but my guess is not at present...
[07:49] <FuLgOrE> SonikkuAmerica: I know that is not official but there is an inofficial image. I'm using that already. The guy who made that image also use a N5 now so I was hoping that he is working on that at the weekend.
[10:00] <davmor2_> Morning all
[10:01] <FuLgOrE_> It's 6 pm here, nice evening
[10:05] <FuLgOrE_> what's going on with freenode today...
[11:45] <UTouchUser> I have script on Ubuntu Touch that connects the device to a particular WLAN acccess point. This is done with the command iwconfig wlan0 essid $ESSID. However, after some while the device automatically connects to another access point. Have you any idea why?
[12:13] <sil2100> didrocks: https://bugs.launchpad.net/upstart-app-launch/+bug/1275017
[14:04] <sil2100> bfiller: hello!
[14:04] <sil2100> bfiller: two things - first, I'm working on a cleanup branch for the OSK, but it's still in progress
[14:04] <sil2100> bfiller: https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/ubuntu-keyboard/cleanup_code_and_packaging/+merge/204493
[14:05] <bfiller> sil2100: hello
[14:05] <sil2100> bfiller: the second thing... we released dialer-app and as you already said, it sadly did not fix the dialer-app crasher we're getting on autopilot smoketesting
[14:05] <sil2100> bfiller: could you poke someone to look into that crasher?
[14:06] <bfiller> sil2100: yeah, we've been looking at the crash for some time now and cannot figure it out
[14:06] <bfiller> sil2100: it's not reproducible on the device
[14:06] <bfiller> not really sure how to proceed
[14:07] <bfiller> the stack trace didn't have anything relevant
[14:10] <sil2100> bfiller: yeah, that's a complicated one it seems, not sure what to do as well in this case - strangely on smoketesting it happens like every-time
[14:11] <sil2100> bfiller: maybe there's something special in the way smoketesting starts those tests, not sure?
[14:13] <mpt> Laney (or anyone else), are you familiar with the work to implement a connectivity API? Is there a bug report for it?
[14:13] <mpt> I don鈥檛 see it in <https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ofono>
[14:13] <bfiller> sil2100: It must be something like specific to the env
[14:18] <Laney> mpt: seb128 says Wellark is working on that
[14:21] <kenvandine> tedg, good morning!
[14:22] <kenvandine> tedg, good news... i pulled your latest untrusted-helper branch and i can no longer reproduce that problem
[14:26] <fermulator> Hey all, I've been recently researching the status of "Ubuntu Phone" -- strongly considering switching. However I can't seem to get a handle on A) the list of currently functioning applications, and B) if the mail client supports connectivity with work/office life. (i.e. I currently have a blackberry, other coworkers have android/iphone, can I switch to Ubuntu Phone today and access my work e-mail/calendar?)
[15:01] <ssj> anyone got touch with multirom
[15:12] <lool> bregma: ah hey there too
[15:12] <lool> bregma: I found this thread on high DPI handling in GNOME interesting and used this occasion to dive into the reasons for hardcoding 96dpi in GNOME stack; https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2014-February/msg00009.html
[15:13] <lool> bregma: the last email with pointers from Emmanuel Basi was worth the read
[15:14] <lool> they point out the obvious issues with DPI / physical size handling (that you also need to account for the viewing angle/distance), some less obvious X issue (one screen multiple outputs and also dealing with moving windows between outputs) and some awful issues about real hardware
[15:15] <lool> I'm a bit sad about the hardware stories they relate and about the decision of throwing the towel, but I'm hoping that perhaps we can at least whitelist some devices correctly; either as upstream or not patches or as a startup helper that would fix this before displaying anything
[15:20] <bregma> proper high-DPI handling is still in its infancy, like colour matching was 20 years ago, with all kinds of real problems and wrong solutions
[15:21] <mardy> kenvandine: hi! Do you have some time for a question about the HUB?
[15:21] <kenvandine> sure
[15:22] <kenvandine> mardy, ^^
[15:22] <mardy> kenvandine: so, in Online Accounts we want to be able to run account plugins which come installed in click packages
[15:22] <lool> bregma: sure, albeit we need to compromise for decent high-res 14.04 support  :-)
[15:22] <bregma> lool, very much so
[15:23] <mardy> kenvandine: in the HUB, I guess you have a similar case where you want to run the applications providing the content
[15:23] <mardy> kenvandine: how do you do that? With aa-exec-click?
[15:23] <kenvandine> upstart-app-launch
[15:24] <kenvandine> we use the lib
[15:24] <kenvandine> provides an api for starting and stopping
[15:24] <mardy> kenvandine: right, because in your case they are regular apps... I wonder how it would work for accounts
[15:24] <kenvandine> so it runs it based on the appid
[15:25] <kenvandine> mardy,  so for UOA you need to run a process that provides the service right?
[15:25] <kenvandine> which runs as a confined app? shouldn't it be a trusted helper?
[15:26] <mardy> kenvandine: right, yes and no: the account plugin cannot be trusted, so the online-accounts-ui trusted helper will run it under confinement
[15:28] <kenvandine> mardy, so maybe tedg's untrusted helpers?
[15:28] <kenvandine> which isn't merged yet
[15:29] <mardy> kenvandine: sounds insteresting, let me try to find it...
[15:29] <kenvandine> but it's designed so you could provide an untrusted helper that figures out the exec line to use
[15:29] <kenvandine> https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/upstart-app-launch/untrusted-helper/+merge/202703
[15:29] <kenvandine> mardy, ^^
[15:29] <kenvandine> https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/infographic-service/bootstrapping/+merge/202747
[15:34] <mardy> kenvandine: if I understand correctly, all the untrusted helpers of the same type (would "online-accounts" be a type in this case?) will be run under the same apparmor profile, which is now what I want
[15:36] <mardy> kenvandine: well, I guess I can do like the content hub does, and require plugins to ship a .desktop file (if that's required for using upstart-app-launch)
[15:41] <kenvandine> mardy, for untrusted-helpers, you don't need a desktop file
[15:41] <kenvandine> you just need a way to build the exec line
[15:41] <kenvandine> and set APP_EXEC
[15:42] <kenvandine> it uses the helper to set that
[15:42] <kenvandine> mardy, would it need to be able to create a surface? i assume not... it would actually poke signon-ui for that
[15:42] <kenvandine> or the new version of that
[15:43] <mardy> kenvandine: no, it really needs to create a surface
[15:43] <kenvandine> mardy, ok... that would be harder... but Mir won't let you with an untrusted-helper
[15:43] <kenvandine> mardy, have a chat with ted... he might have ideas
[15:44] <mardy> kenvandine: yes, I think the account plugins need to be part of the trusted session
[15:44] <kenvandine> absolutely!
[15:44] <kenvandine> but you need a way to exec them... so you could just make desktop files for them with the right profile
[15:44] <mardy> kenvandine: yep, I might use this then
[15:45] <davmor2> barry: system-image does it actually detect if you are on wifi or not?  In settings if you make sure it says autodownload on wifi only, disable wifi so the device is only on 3g it still autodownloads when there is an image available :(
[15:45] <mardy> kenvandine: so, if I want to pass parameters (such as a unix socket to connect to), I need to encode them as URLs, right?
[15:46] <kenvandine> yeah
[15:51] <barry> davmor2: no, system-image doesn't make that determination.  at one point it was supposed to happen in system-settings.  maybe it doesn't though :/
[15:53] <ogra_> davmor2, i filed a bug for that last week
[15:53] <ogra_> (since barry asked me to :) )
[16:07] <ogra_> davmor2, bug 1274215
[17:02] <xnox> popey: dholbach: why are the reviews manual, and not automatic? plus those error messages appear to be generated.
[17:03] <dholbach> xnox, automatic reviews are in the works
[17:03] <xnox> popey: dholbach: also neither of those options are available in saucy, are they? so webapps that use those command line options are broken on saucy / stable.
[17:03] <dholbach> xnox, I have no idea about that
[17:03] <xnox> popey: dholbach: so i should be bumping the spec/dependencies on the webapps/webrowser framework.
[17:03] <xnox> popey: dholbach: or saucy should get an SRU to not error out on those options (make them dummy)
[17:04] <xnox> popey: dholbach: the result of the check is wrong, i'm using old-style "webbrowser-app" exec line, not the new style "webapp-container"
[17:05] <xnox> popey: dholbach: the old one allows running the apps just fine (and actually executes webapp-container underneath)
[17:05] <dholbach> xnox, aha!
[17:05] <xnox> popey: dholbach: since my apps actually do work on trusty, please accept them as is and improve the automatic checks about parameters to be applied against webapp-container.
[17:07] <TGMCians> hey
[17:09] <dholbach> xnox, filed bug 1275844
[17:10] <shiggitay> anyone available to help me troubleshoot a non UT issue?
[17:14] <shiggitay> no one?
[17:14] <ogra_> shiggitay, non touch related ubuntu issues should go to #ubuntu
[17:15] <shiggitay> it's not even a Linux issue
[17:28] <Guest55686> hey
[17:28] <Guest55686> Does anyone know here about RILD (Radio Interface Layer)?
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[18:06] <Naglfar> Someone ?
[18:06] <Someone> Finally
[18:06] <slangasek> Someone: not appropriate
[18:06] <Someone> I know
[18:06] <Someone> ...
[18:07] <slangasek> do you have a question?
[18:07] <Someone> Yes
[18:07] <slangasek> best practice is to ask your question
[18:07] <Someone> Is touch coming to older devices like s3 or s2?
[18:07] <slangasek> meaning samsung galaxy s2/s3?
[18:07] <Someone> Yes
[18:07] <asac> Someone: canonical is unlikely to invest into those ports directly, but there are xda folks etc. that might pick it up etc.
[18:08] <slangasek> I know there's a community port to at least one of the s3 flavors
[18:08] <asac> Someone: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices there is a llong list of
[18:08] <Someone> I know but xda got only version what doesnt support cellular network
[18:08] <asac> devices and folks that said they were once working on it
[18:08] <asac> so check with those folks there
[18:09] <asac> but be nice and professional, not like above
[18:10] <Someone> it still doesnt work properly
[18:10] <Someone> Still problems with network
[18:11] <Someone> What the hell do i do with phone what with i cant call or send sms?
[18:11] <dobey> smash it with a hammer
[18:11] <Someone> Yeah
[18:11] <Someone> Throw it away
[18:12] <Someone> Why do you even let people download your broken operating system?
[18:12] <Someone> And idiots who doesnt understand shit about phones and can unbrick it
[18:12] <Someone> cant*
[18:12] <dobey> if you have a problem with something from xda developers, you should ask on the xda developers site
[18:12] <Someone> No
[18:12] <Someone> Its in ubuntus website
[18:14] <dobey> a) it doesn't support every device b) it is in development still. if you don't like it, then flash android back on your device. don't go spamming irc channels
[19:09] <JoseeAntonioR> didrocks: hey, around?
[19:16] <om26er> I cannot see unity in the emulator, I get to phablet prompt but I only see black screen on the emulator
[19:18] <ogra_> om26er, how long did you wait
[19:18] <ogra_> om26er, first boot takes at least 10min
[19:18] <om26er> ogra_, probably more than 8-9 minutes, (its still waiting)
[19:18] <mandel> om26er, patience, takes some time
[19:19] <ogra_> om26er, give it time :)
[19:19] <ogra_> subsequent boots are a little better
[19:19] <om26er> ogra_, is it normal that the prompt hangs ?
[19:19] <mandel> mhall119, small question, do you know what project deals with the contacts in the phone??
[19:21] <mhall119> mandel: what do you mean by "deals with"?
[19:21] <mhall119> do you want the contacts app project on LP?
[19:21] <mandel> mhall119, yes, that sounds about right :)
[19:21] <mhall119> mandel: https://launchpad.net/address-book-app
[19:21] <mandel> mhall119, I'm wondering if there is a way to access those contacts from another app
[19:22] <mhall119> yeah
[19:22] <mhall119> http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-1.0/QtContacts/
[19:23] <mhall119> it needs ContentHub provider for contacts which may not exist yet
[19:23] <mandel> mhall119, oh! ok
[19:24] <mandel> mhall119, is not my main issue right now :)
[19:39] <dholbach> can somebody review https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-html5-theme-examples/+merge/204562 please (I discussed the change with dbarth)
[19:40] <ogra_> dholbach, that will remove it from touch, is that wanted ?
[19:40] <didrocks> no seed change right now please
[19:40] <didrocks> tomorrow :p
[19:40] <dholbach> bzoltan, ^ the change was fine with you too, right? (making ubuntu-html5-theme-examples a recommends instead of depends)
[19:40] <ogra_> (touch images are built with --no-install-recommands)
[19:40] <dholbach> dbarth_, ^
[19:41] <ogra_> yeah, and all merges/uploads regarding touch are blocked now
[19:41] <dholbach> ogra_, I guess for the images that should be fine
[19:41] <ogra_> since the last ubuntu-html5-themes upload made the archive explode
[19:41] <dholbach> ogra_, it'd be more something for developers who install the sdk on their laptop/desktop
[19:41] <ogra_> then thats fine indeed
[19:41] <dholbach> more space on the device ;-)
[19:42] <ogra_> dholbach, right ... just nothing to boot to either :P
[19:42] <ogra_> ubuntu-touch got uninstallable :)
[19:46] <dbarth_> ok
[19:54] <om26er> ogra_, its still waiting :D
[19:54] <om26er> black screen
[19:54] <om26er> is there any config that I should clean so that the next time i start the emulator everything happens from the beginning
[19:55] <ogra_> hmm, not sure, it changed a lot since i touched it last
[19:55] <ogra_> (and sergio is not around today, he maintains the startup stuff for it)
[20:00] <Elleo> my n9 appears to be on it's last legs :( time to switch to ubuntu touch as my day to day phone :)
[20:05] <Hourd> Elleo: :)
[20:06] <Elleo> oh, hey Hourd :)
[20:06] <Elleo> how was FOSDEM?
[20:06] <Hourd> was really good thanks :) had a great time, lost of interesting talks
[20:07] <Elleo> cool
[20:23] <bzoltan> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6866549/
[21:16] <Willman> hey guys
[21:18] <Willman> hey
[21:19] <Willman> i wanna know if my htc beat one it's able to install Ubuntu?
[21:26] <Willman> i here people just quit and join and dont say nothing
[21:31] <greyback> Willman: here is the list of devices currently supported, and those community supported: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[21:31] <Willman> thks
[21:31] <Willman> i will try it
[23:10] <phommata> i was looking into install ubuntu touch on the galaxy note 10.1 2014 edition just so that i can compile and run c++ programs but there is c4droid available in the play store
[23:54] <harris> hi is the nexus 7 2013 getting 14.04


[00:53] <daftykins> anyone hot on an appropriate command for copying an existing /home to a new disk? :)
[00:53] <daftykins> i don't know if anything special would be needed to preserve permissions or such like
[00:58] <Bashing-om> daftykins: We have a handy dandy : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Partitioning/Home/Moving .
[00:58] <daftykins> ooh nice! thanks
[01:15] <JanC> an alternative would be FSArchiver or such
[01:16] <JanC> e.g. if you can't copy directly for some reason
[01:21] <daftykins> how come that guy doesn't have the LVM partitions in his /dev/mapper in a live session :/
[01:21] <daftykins> i have no clue with LVM :)
[01:25] <EriC^^> daftykins: did he install the lvm stuff
[01:25] <Bashing-om> daftykins: I too looked ( njmbb8), and a bit confused as I only see 1 VG  for swap . Like you I do not do LVM . - Yeah not much help here from me .
[01:26] <EriC^^> nevermind
[01:26] <daftykins> EriC^^: not in the live session nah, do you need something to enable them?
[01:26] <daftykins> Bashing-om: cheers :>
[01:26] <EriC^^> i dunno i vaguely remember something had to be installed for something
[01:26] <daftykins> mmm i always avoided it 'cause it seems to complicate life unnecessarily
[01:26] <EriC^^> ( i know, not much help )
[01:26] <daftykins> i'll just pinch the funky auto mount points from 'mount' output then try and cp the /home/username to the second disk i think
[01:27] <daftykins> then with any luck my fstab is golden and on reboot all will be well
[01:58] <daftykins> note to self don't tell everyone your nightmares
[01:58] <daftykins> ;D
[01:58] <EriC^^> lol
[02:02] <Bashing-om> facing our fears, litle by little I get the more comforable with UEFI . Like systemd - it is coming may as well get perpared . Ready or not here it comes !
[02:03] <daftykins> i don't really have a clue on init stuffs, i barely converted to 'sudo service x start/stop/restart' after init scripts
[02:03] <daftykins> no idea how it is now
[02:03] <daftykins> i don't even know how to say which one is in use on a given machine :)
[02:04] <Bashing-om> Yeah, I liked inittab ! Just about the time I adjust to upstart, there is this new one in the works .
[02:06] <Bashing-om> daftykins: To determin the init system I use ' ps -p1 | grep systemd && echo systemd || echo upstart ' .
[02:07] <daftykins> hrmm
[02:07] <daftykins> i guess we can go by releases too?
[02:08] <daftykins> did 15.04 switch to systemd? i don't even pay much attention when it's not LTS :>
[02:10] <Bashing-om> daftykins: Most certainly 15.04 is systemd. And yaeh the breaks are applied real hard when I see 15.04 . systemd has it's fingers in may places . A lot to relearn .
[03:38] <wileee> oh my, hehj
[07:32] <ObrienDave> waves
[08:00] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:00] <ObrienDave> o/
[08:01] <lordievader> \o
[08:26] <cfhowlett> "Why did you so quickly Private Gump?!"  "Because you Sudo told me to Sergeant."
[08:26] <cfhowlett> "Why did you disassemble that rifle so quickly Private Gump?!"  "Because you Sudo told me to Sergeant."
[09:23] <EriC^^> hey TJ-
[09:24] <EriC^^> i'm restoring my arch install to a usb, i can't seem to make the efi fat32!
[09:24] <TJ-> how are you trying to do it?
[09:24] <EriC^^> mkfs.fat -F 32 /dev/sdb1 still makes it fat16, and grub-install says can't find any efi
[09:24] <TJ-> how big is it?
[09:24] <EriC^^> i created the partitions again, copied over the root filesystem, and changed /etc/fstab
[09:24] <EriC^^> it's 300M
[09:25] <EriC^^> 1      1049kB  316MB   315MB   fat16           EFI   boot
[09:25] <EriC^^> sudo mkfs.fat -F32 /dev/sdb1 mkfs.fat 3.0.26 (2014-03-07)
[09:26] <EriC^^> sudo parted still gives same output
[09:26] <TJ-> sudo parted /dev/sda print
[09:26] <TJ->  1      1049kB  269MB   268MB   fat16        EFI System           boot
[09:27] <EriC^^> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12019628/
[09:27] <EriC^^> this is blkid /dev/sdb1: SEC_TYPE="msdos" UUID="9906-2FF9" TYPE="vfat"
[09:27] <EriC^^> it didn't used to have that SEC_TYPE="msdos" before
[09:29] <TJ-> Secondary Type
[09:29] <TJ-> EFI doesn't mind whether its FAT12,16, or 32
[09:30] <EriC^^> that's odd
[09:31] <EriC^^> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12019653/
[09:31] <EriC^^> i had to give it the efi dir
[09:31] <EriC^^> never had to do that before
[09:32] <EriC^^> it's still odd it won't make it fat32 though
[09:35] <TJ-> That's correct. grub checks for the currently mounted device and if there isn't one, needs to be told
[09:35] <EriC^^> it's mounted though
[09:35] <EriC^^> and in fstab
[09:36] <EriC^^> i just got this error too
[09:36] <EriC^^> Generating grub configuration file ...
[09:36] <EriC^^>   /run/lvm/lvmetad.socket: connect failed: No such file or directory
[09:36] <EriC^^>   WARNING: Failed to connect to lvmetad. Falling back to internal scanning. done
[09:37] <EriC^^> anyways TJ- i reinstalled windows and installed all the hp drivers i had
[09:37] <EriC^^> it's still running really hot, i checked the services and there's a SYSTEM IDLE PROCESS which is supposed to run and it is running at 80-90%
[09:38] <EriC^^> but it's still reaching 90-100 temps unless i put the amd and intel to minimum power and it still isn't very usable
[09:38] <EriC^^> the last error report showed something about dllhost.exe not asking the cpu to rest or something, it hadn't appeared before
[09:41] <TJ-> This with Win10 again?
[09:41] <EriC^^> yeah
[09:42] <EriC^^> i reinstalled win8 and upgraded as ms says, so it'll be activated
[09:45] <EriC^^> i'll brb, will try arch and maybe run an energy report in win10 again
[09:48] <TJ-> Obviously a Win10 issue then
[09:51] <EriC^^> installing drivers can't help?
[09:54] <EriC^^> i just noticed an odd behavior
[09:55] <EriC^^> when i mount the arch install, my home dir has my ubuntu's user as the owner, when i chroot it changes to the arch owner
[09:55] <EriC^^> even if i mount the install using another ubuntu user, it has the same ubuntu user until i chroot
[09:55] <EriC^^> how's that work i wonder
[09:57] <TJ-> Because the owner/group are stored as the ID number... looked up from /etc/passwd, which will be different in the 2 installs
[09:57] <EriC^^> ah ok
[09:58] <TJ-> The first user ID created usually is 1000, so depending on which system's root is in operation, you'll see different usernames if they are different in the respective /etc/passwd
[10:08] <EriC^^> ah shows as fat32 after a reboot
[10:20] <EriC^^> this is odd
[10:20] <EriC^^> arch is all screwed up
[10:21] <EriC^^> when i ran startx it said there's no keymap, i reinstalled the package and then when X started the touchpad didn't work
[10:22] <EriC^^> i've restored the install before, the only difference is that i used a tar.gz this time to copy it
[10:22] <TJ-> Did it miss out the dot-files
[10:22] <EriC^^> no the dot files are there, and also the symlinks and permissions are correct
[10:26] <EriC^^> could it be cause i reinstalled the kernel from the chroot?
[10:26] <EriC^^> i think last time i just copied the efi partition all together, this time i didn't and so i had to reinstall the kernel
[10:30] <EriC^^> anyways TJ- so i shouldn't be driver hunting for win10 to work?
[10:30] <EriC^^> maybe they'll fix it in an update or so?
[10:33] <TJ-> Best to open a support incident with the manufacturer... I suspect, as I said before, it needs chipset/ACPI drivers specific to the model
[10:35] <TJ-> I think I got up too early, my brain won't even compute 0x200 * 1KB aka 1024
[10:36] <TJ-> !! that's not even the correct equation... sheesh.
[10:36] <TJ-> ubot5: you're doing better than me!
[10:38] <EriC^^> hehe
[10:41] <EriC^^> TJ-: how does grub.efi know which file to use
[10:41] <TJ-> grub.efi is simply core.img ... it loads the grub.cfg and other modules
[10:41] <EriC^^> in ubuntu there's a grub.cfg in the same location as grubx64.efi
[10:42] <EriC^^> it has this search.fs_uuid c65ac418-c145-4a7c-b965-1308aa595d24 root hd0,gpt5
[10:42] <TJ-> internally it depends on what prefix= and root=
[10:42] <EriC^^> set prefix=($root)'/boot/grub' configfile $prefix/grub.cfg
[10:42] <EriC^^> so i guess grubx64.efi uses that to load the grub.cfg file?
[10:42] <EriC^^> cause in arch there's only a single grubx64.efi
[10:42] <EriC^^> i was wondering how does it know where the grub.cfg is
[10:43] <EriC^^> is it hardcoded to search the same disk at /boot/grub/grub.cfg ?
[10:43] <TJ-> I mean internal to the core.img/grubx64.efi ... those pre-written values tell it where to find its own 'root' (/boot/grub/) which then will then allow it to "insmod normal" which can read the config and act on it via the "normal" internally executed command
[10:43] <EriC^^> cause in arch by default the efi partition also contains /boot/grub/grub.cfg, the efi dir is only /boot not /boot/efi
[10:44] <TJ-> Part of what grub-install does is create and *link* the required grub modules and data into the core.img sufficient for it to be able to access its root file-system... this is why if /boot/grub is on LVM the grub lvm module is linked into core.img
[10:45] <TJ-> That isn't what the Arch docs I've seen say, about EFI anyhow, and I've used them alot in the past to get my head around EFI
[10:46] <EriC^^> when i installed arch it said to use /boot instead of /boot/efi
[10:47] <EriC^^> dunno
[10:47] <EriC^^> it says /boot/efi in some places im looking now
[10:48] <TJ-> /boot/ contains the OS kernels, initrd.img, symbols, config, etc. /boot/efi/ should be the mountpoint for the EFI SP which when mounted then gives you /boot/efi/EFI/ ... if it were /boot/EFI/ that would imply mounting the ESP *over* /boot/, hiding the kernel images
[10:49] <EriC^^> it says "/boot is also recommended for mounting the EFI System Partition on a UEFI/GPT system"
[10:49] <EriC^^> but reading more it looks more relevant for EFISTUB
[10:50] <TJ-> Does it mean "under the /boot hierarchy" though, or actually "mount /dev/sda1 /boot" ?
[10:50] <TJ-> Look at that and it makes no sense whatsoever... whereas "mount /dev/sda1 /boot/efi/" makes perfect sense
[10:51] <EriC^^> yeah i know, i think it means to use /boot as the efi partition and contain the kernels too
[10:51] <TJ-> Do not let me miss the end of this ebay auction in 8 minutes... don't let me get sidetracked!!
[10:51] <EriC^^> but i think it's only for efistub or something
[10:52] <EriC^^> " In case of EFISTUB, the kernels and initramfs files should be stored in the EFI System Partition. For sake of simplicity, you can also use the ESP as the /boot partition itself instead of a separate /boot partition"
[10:52] <EriC^^> hehe
[10:52] <TJ-> If it means use /boot/ to mount the EFI SP and keep the kernels there too since otherwise that file-system is mostly wasted space ... that makes sens
[10:53] <TJ-> Oh, yes, that makes sense because using EFISTUB there's no GRUB
[10:53] <EriC^^> ah i se
[10:53] <EriC^^> *see
[10:53] <EriC^^> the docs are kind of misleading, i remember it said somewhere in arch it's recommended to use /boot not like other distros that use /boot/efi
[10:53] <TJ-> The boot is then UEFI > EFI-stub > Linux or more simply UEFI > Linux
[10:54] <EriC^^> or something like that, anyways ill probably fix that later
[11:37] <EriC^^> arch booted, i copied the efi partition as is
[11:37] <EriC^^> grub still complains that it can't find the efi dir though
[11:38] <EriC^^> i guess it didn't work earlier cause i installed the kernel from the chroot, or something
[11:59] <EriC^^> thanks for your help TJ-
[15:05] <OerHeks> lolz cfhowlett that guy is on mirc :-D
[15:06] <cfhowlett> so mirc, eol and backtrack?  we have a winner ...
[15:09] <OerHeks> maybe running on an Apple device, with a Wii remote, top notch!
[15:10] <cfhowlett> l33t!
[15:10] <OerHeks> .. and wearing a tshirt with that FSF guy :-D
[16:07] <daftykins> oh dear did i miss a corker?
[16:31] <OerHeks> corker = .. ?
[16:32] <daftykins> shocking or surprising event
[16:32] <daftykins> so that guy on mIRC, out of date and asking about backtrack D: oh dear
[16:32] <OerHeks> yeah, the rest is fantasy
[16:32] <OerHeks> ... but likely true


[03:05] <zhsj> UnivrslSuprBox: autopkgtests only runs tests which are installed in /usr/share/gocode. it's not perfect, so i have refactor the d/rules  and moved the tests to debian/tests in later version.
[04:39] <vorlon> Eickmeyer: ok well that was a ride (LP: #2035406); the SRU has been republished based on my best understanding of what the user was saying, turned out that was NOT what he was saying, but at this point he's not helping us debug anyway.
[04:39] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2035406 in systemd (Ubuntu Jammy) "udev update has broken ubuntu's ability to import photos in digikam, gphoto2 can no longer see usb camera, entangle can no longer see camera" [High, Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2035406
[04:40] <vorlon> Eickmeyer: I'm not going to roll it back again based on his say-so, but it's still possible there is an actual bug and that it is a regression in the latest SRU
[04:40] <Eickmeyer> vorlon: *sigh* I hate it when people report bugs but don't follow through. It's not helpful at all.
[04:40] <vorlon> well I mean, he filed a bug because he was told to file a bug, but what he wanted was to unbreak his system
[04:41] <vorlon> which he... did? at least he no longer has pipewire:i386 installed
[04:41] <vorlon> (after reinstalling the whole thing)
[04:41] <Eickmeyer> I mean, improvement, I guess.
[04:42] <Eickmeyer> Some of the people in the support chat have been less than helpful lately. I directed to support with the hope that they'd help and instead they simply said, "File a bug."
[04:42] <vorlon> anyway, heads up that the SRU has been re-released based on best available information at the time, but I can't definitively say this bug is invalid and there could be other reports coming in
[04:43] <Eickmeyer> Fair enough. I'll keep an eye out for other, similar complaints and reopen it if the need comes.
[04:43] <vorlon> it's still open/incomplete
[04:47] <vorlon> I am waiting for additional testing by someone on the team with the prerequisite hardware, maybe we'll find it is reproducible and debuggable
[04:48] <Eickmeyer> Sadly, I don't have an Alienware 18 (I'm drooling at the thought) but I might be able to test on a Jammy installation I have, but not tonight.
[08:56] <lord_> Hi everyone. Can I ask a question about subiquity/autoinstall here? I've got an error with automated installation after updating iso to 22.04.3 (related to keyboard/layouc section in user-data)
[08:57] <guiverc> lord_, this isn't a support room; use #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server
[08:57] <lord_> Ok, thanks
[12:58] <ahasenack> ricotz: hi, can you reupload libreoffice to lunar proposed with the debian/patches/disable-flaky-tests.diff change documented in d/changelog?
[13:05] <ricotz> ahasenack, hello, if you insist I can do that, but it will take a moment
[13:05] <ahasenack> it's fine, I'll be watching and can accept right away
[13:15] <ricotz> ahasenack, alright, upload in progress
[13:18] <ahasenack> o/
[13:29] <ricotz> done
[13:30]  * ahasenack refreshes
[13:48] <ricotz> ahasenack, all good?
[13:50] <ahasenack> almost done
[13:56] <ahasenack> ricotz: done
[13:59] <ricotz> ahasenack, thank you
[15:12] <UnivrslSuprBox> zhsj: That makes sense. Still, some of the tests fail when they are run in 22.04. Do you think that reveals a bug in the plugins? There's also lp:2024394 which seems related or at least should be fixed alongside, if there is a bug here (someone asserts that installing a different version of containernetworking-plugins fixes the issue in podman)
[15:12] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2024394 in libpod (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu 22.04.1 LTS libpod (package podman 3.4.4+ds1-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>): broken network functionality for CNI plugins" [Undecided, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2024394
[15:13] <zhsj> UnivrslSuprBox: maybe, if the tests don't pass, then most likely a bug.
[15:58] <ahasenack> @pilot in
[20:29] <ahasenack> @pilot out


[01:16] <soloslinger> Has anyone tried to move the /var/log/journal directory to a different volume?  Is the only option to stop systemd-journal, mv the dir, symlink, and light things up?  I was kinda hoping there'd be a config option instead of the symlink move.
[01:19] <rbox> looks like it MIGHT respect a LOGS_DIRECTORY environment variable on journald
[01:38] <rfm> soloslinger, if you're just running low on space an alternative might be to adjust the size limits in journald.conf down.
[01:39] <soloslinger> rfm: Eh.  My devs have very verbose logs and my usage on the / volume is taking it to the face.  Hoping to move logs off to it's own volume to free up some of that.
[01:39] <soloslinger> Naturally the system is hot so I can't repartition or do anything more fancy at the moment.
[02:07] <leftyfb> soloslinger: just do a bind mount on top of it
[02:37] <kotgc> Hello
[02:38] <kotgc> Curious about installing VMM. livbirtd is running, however error on first VMM launch: Unable to connect to libvirt qemu:///system. Verify that the ‘libvirtd’ daemon is running.
[02:38] <kotgc> I find a reboot of the machine removes the error, however for a smooth install and start, there must be some command or step missing?
[02:42] <bray90820> So when run mount -a I get an error "mount: /etc/fstab: parse error at line 14 -- ignored"
[02:42] <bray90820> Here's my fstab
[02:42] <bray90820> https://pastebin.com/duKRPuja
[02:44] <rbox> so fix line 14...
[02:47] <bray90820> I can't figure out what's wrong with it tho
[02:48] <rbox> well line 7 gives the format...
[02:48] <rbox> and it looks nothing like the other lines...
[04:05] <bray90820> So I'm having an issue with samba on ubuntu  any time I try to conenct to my 22.04 samba server it says "faield to retreve share llist from server Invalid argument"
[05:59] <rfm> bray90820, no real idea, but in the past I've found it helpful to run up the log level on the server and check the logs after running the failed command. https://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Setting_the_Samba_Log_Level
[06:01] <bray90820> rfm: The issue has been resolved I was wentering the wrong server name in smb.conf
[06:02] <rfm> bray90820, I was just about to say a stab would be to check the server entries in smb.conf.  Glad you got it fixed.
[06:03] <bray90820> Well I sorta got it fixed
[06:03] <bray90820> I still can't brows it from within Nautilus
[06:04] <bray90820> But entering it in Manually does work
[06:04] <bray90820> smb://<IP_ADDRESS>
[06:04] <Peppi> hello
[06:06] <Bashing-om> Hello Peppi - your support question ?
[06:06] <Peppi> I'm looking to do some development and thinking of creating an Ubuntu VM machine and using that to develop on. How bad of an idea is it and how much space should the VM be?
[06:06] <Peppi> Hello Bashing-om
[06:09] <Bashing-om> Peppi: Can not address you specifically, but a determinaing factor is the amount on ram on the host system.
[06:09] <Peppi> 64gigs
[06:10] <Bashing-om> Peppi: 64 gigs - one can go hog wild :P
[06:11] <Peppi> I'm more concerned about disk size to be honest
[06:13] <Peppi> everything I'm reading is tellimg me the size needs to be 25gb but looking here: https://www.osboxes.org/ubuntu/#ubuntu-23-10-vmware I see a 2gb vm machine
[06:15] <Peppi> Well I guess I better just try it
[06:18] <dgg12> hi
[07:01] <vuipuh> Good morning!
[07:02] <lotuspsychje> welcome vuipuh
[07:02] <vuipuh> We cannot get DNS to work on xunbutu-22.04 with PXE boot+nfs
[07:03] <vuipuh> system works fine, but to enable resolving we have to use network manager change "manual" to dhcp, every time we boot. Or call sudo dhclient, IIRC
[07:05] <vuipuh> it did not even work to use dhclient instead of internal via the dedicated config switch. I am sorry to not be able to provide any configs, since I don't have that system now at hand, and our firewall at work blocks IRC :-( . Does anybody have any howto to follow installing (x)ubuntu + PXE which addresses why DNS does not work?
[07:18] <vuipuh> Does nobody have any experience with ubuntu + network boot?
[07:22] <rfm> vuipuh, not for a long time (and was Solaris not ubuntu). But it sure sounds like the image is configured wrong.  What I'd try is logging into the server that has the image, chroot'ing into it, and using nmcli to set the connection to dhcp..
[07:23] <vuipuh> image is just a plain new installation + make bootable via nfs. So we need overlayroot of cause. nothing else done afaik, we restared from scratch, to be sure
[07:24] <vuipuh> nmcli on server, ok, we will try, thank you!
[07:25] <rfm> vuipuh, since dhcp is default for a new install, I don't know how it could have gotten reset... but good luck
[07:27] <rfm> vuipuh, ah, overlayroot (something I've never dealt with) but that explains why changing the config in the client isn't persistent...
[07:30] <vuipuh> 18.04 worked great, no need to handle network configuration besides telling the nfsroot ip. overlayroot must be concerned, but is not the problem, since we can always put new files to the server as soon as we realize they are needed. We watched /etc/NetworkManager and /var/lib/NetworkManager without success
[11:20] <xbox> hi
[11:30] <Paris> xbox did you try to install ubuntu on your console? lol
[11:30] <Paris> hi
[11:41] <xbox> hi
[11:52] <xbox> is anyone online?
[11:53] <CosmicDJ> depends
[11:54] <xbox> what kind of chat is this, what is going on?
[11:55] <lotuspsychje> !support | xbox
[11:55] <CosmicDJ> xbox: this is a support channel, ppl come in here and ask questions about ubuntu, if you just want to chat try the social/offtopic channels https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList
[11:56] <xbox> okey
[12:10] <TomyWork> I don't see this snap on ubuntu 18.04, even though I see most other snaps
[12:10] <TomyWork> https://snapcraft.io/install/prismlauncher/ubuntu
[12:11] <TomyWork> snap info/search prismlauncher yields no results, snap search prism yields two unrelated results
[12:14] <Mandem0110> TomyWork: pretty sure 18.04 is EOL...
[12:16] <zniavre> hello i can't find an offical way to uninstall snap package on my ubuntu
[12:16] <TomyWork> snap remove doesnt work?
[12:16] <Mandem0110> sudo snap remove *package*
[12:16] <zniavre> yes but there is no documentation on ubuntu.org website
[12:17] <TomyWork> have you tried "man snap"?
[12:17] <Mandem0110> ^
[12:17] <Mandem0110> !eol | TomyWork
[12:18] <zniavre> there is onmy a canonical webpage with how to installa and use snapd but no comment about how to unistall it
[12:18] <zniavre> is it intentional ?
[12:18] <zniavre> only*
[12:20] <TomyWork> Mandem0110, so that's the reason why some snaps dont show up?
[12:20] <ogra> zniavre, what exactly do you want ? do you want to remove a single snap package or do you want to remove snap support altogether ?
[12:20] <ogra> (this isnt clear from your questions above)
[12:21] <ogra> TomyWork, unlikely ...
[12:23] <ogra> TomyWork, snap packages have the ability to exclude their snaps from searches (the feature in the store for them is called "unlisting") ... this is often done for snaps that are not ready for user consumption yet ... snap find will not find it ... but since the snap actually exists, snap info will still give you the metadata
[12:23] <ogra> (and you will find its page on snapcraft.io ... which is essentially equivalent to "snap info" )
[12:24] <zniavre> wnat to understand why there is not a word on official documentation about how to uninstall snapd
[12:24] <ogra> zniavre, you uninstall snapd like any other package: sudo apt purge snapd
[12:24] <zniavre> not snap application but snapd
[12:25] <ogra> that commend should uninstall snapd and all snap packages ... (but note that snapd on ubuntu is a dependency of various metapackages, so it might come back since it is considered a part of the default OS)
[12:25] <ogra> *command
[12:25] <ice9> I purged "wine" and "wine64" packages but doing a filesystem search, still shows theses dirs https://pastebin.mozilla.org/ypVQSKC2  so why they were not removed by apt purge?
[12:26] <zniavre> ok ( not satisfied but ok)
[12:27] <ogra> ice9, some come from libwine, some from other packages ... you can install the apt-file command to do a reverse search for these paths and it will give you the package names
[12:28] <ogra> purge only purges the package, but not necessarily the dependencies it pulled in at install time (they might be used by other packages, so apt is careful about this)
[12:33] <ice9> ogra, thanks, also in snap, uninstalling programs doesn't remove some filesystem dirs, how to clean that?
[12:34] <ogra> ice9, which ones ? (also see "snap help remove" ... there is a --purge option to it)
[12:35] <ogra> typically all non-clssic snaps remove all their dirs at uninstall ... (classic snaps are different though, since they run unconfined and could create files and dirs on the OS) ...
[12:36] <ogra> if you dont use --purge they will take a snapshot of the user data though ... so in case you re-install it will simply pick up where you left it before
[12:37] <ogra> (but that snapshot is stored in a different place and there should definitely not be any dirs left behind)
[12:39] <ice9> thanks a lot ogra
[13:01] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:02] <Mandem0110> Pretty sure you're a bot saying hi in random channels!
[13:03] <Mandem0110> !offtopic | BluesKaj
[13:04] <ogra> lol, BluesKaj is surely not a bot 🙂
[13:06] <Mandem0110> ogra: why would they keep saying hi every day in a support channel then? I checked logs, it's ahi every day and disappears...
[13:07] <ogra> to be friendly `
[13:07] <ogra> ?
[13:07] <Mandem0110> Not needed in a *support* channel
[13:08] <mirtec001> Morning everyone
[13:08] <Mandem0110> ogra: that's why we have off topic...
[13:09] <Mandem0110> Honestly never saw BluesKaj help anyone and always an hi lol
[13:09]  * Mandem0110 will be quiet 🤫
[13:16] <ogra> well, i'm actually adjusting my clock after BluesKaj's hi ... since about a decade 😉
[13:19] <BluesKaj> hey ogra
[13:29] <mirtec001> HI ogra
 TomyWork, […] snap info will still give you the metadata
[14:07] <TomyWork> but it doesn't :/
[14:08] <TomyWork> lemme find a 22.04 box and check if it's available there
[14:08] <ogra> it does for me here ... "snap info prismlauncher" clearly gets me info
[14:09] <ogra> (note that this snap also only had a release to the edge channel yet)
[14:09] <TomyWork> "snap info prismlaucher" doesn't
[14:09] <TomyWork> -_-
[14:10] <TomyWork> ok so the fact that it didnt show up in a search for "prism", compounded with that typo, led me to believe it couldnt be found
[14:10] <ogra> that is expected
[14:10] <TomyWork> I didnt know they could exclude themselves from search
[14:10] <ogra> but info (without typo) shoudl work
[14:10] <TomyWork> and i didnt notice the typo earlier :D
[14:10] <ogra> 😄
[14:11] <ogra> install should also work if info works ... but the point is the devs dont want it widely available yet (so they could give you the name and tell you to snap install it to help them testing etc)
[14:11] <TomyWork> yeah i need --edge
[14:11] <ogra> yup
[14:12] <TomyWork> it told me that. all is well :)
[14:12] <ogra> 🙂
[14:15] <TomyWork> just one thing. i wanna isolate the crummy minecraft mods from the rest of the machine a bit. jailmode should do that, but I also want to prevent certain connections. what do I do? can I firewall the snap and only let specific network connections out?
[14:17] <ogra> te snap is already strict so you dont need any extra jailmode ...
[14:18] <ogra> regarding networking, there is sadly no fine grained network mgmt for snaps yet, it is either on or off (you can make sure to disconnect "network-bind" that will prevent it from opening any sockets though
[14:18] <ogra> beyond this you can surely firewall somthing on a host level somehow ..
[14:18] <ogra> but there is no snap feature that would help here
[14:19] <ravage> ogra: do you know anyone who could help with an electron snap? i tried to help the guys of deltachat with their desktop client. but electron really does not like me at all :D
[14:19] <ogra> ravage, heh, i'm probably one of the most experience guys for electron snaps ... point them at my GH pages, there are a lot example packages
[14:19] <ogra> (GH name is ogra1)
[14:19] <ravage> i can point myself there :P
[14:20] <ravage> it works in general. it just does not quit properly and the tray icon does not work. probably because of missing dbus permissions
[14:21] <ravage> it works find in unrestricted mode
[14:21] <ravage> *fine
[14:21] <ravage> i just dont know what permissions i could give it really
[14:21] <ogra> dbus stuff for tray icons is in the unity7 plug IIRC (not very intuitive 😛)
[14:22] <ravage> i think i even saw that but let me check if that would solve it
[14:22] <ravage> im almost sure that was attempt 124 of 250 or so.
[14:23] <ogra> https://github.com/ogra1/mattermost-client is using the tray icon (but i think i just used the gnome extension fo that one that brings along all the fonts/plugs/themes etc)
[14:23] <ravage> unity7 as plug should be all i have to do right?
[14:23] <ogra> yeah
[14:23] <ravage> i will check that example. maybe i find something useful
[14:24] <ogra> in general using the gnome extension is the easiest for any desktop snaps ... so you dont get issues with fonts, mounse pointers, themes etc
[14:26] <ravage> yep i did some in the past
[14:26] <ravage> all working great
[14:26] <ravage> just this one really gives me headaches :)
[14:54] <ravage> not sure what fixed it. maybe the extra environment stuff i added from your example
[14:54] <ravage> but the tray icon works now :)
[15:08] <loswedseded> are packages deliberately kept back due to phased upgrading?
[15:10] <ravage> phased updates is the most common cause for kept back pakages
[15:11] <ravage> *packages
[15:11] <ravage> can also be cause by third party repos
[16:29] <warmach1ne> hi all
[16:38] <warmach1ne> yo
[16:38] <lotuspsychje> welcome warmach1ne
[16:38]  * warmach1ne wow
[16:39] <warmach1ne> i don't use irc for twenty years
[16:39] <lotuspsychje> you joined the ubuntu support channel warmach1ne you can ask ubuntu related questions here
[16:40] <warmach1ne> cool good to know
[16:41] <warmach1ne> i searching a good win emulator ... i remeber the wine... in this time nothing change here ??
[16:42] <ravage> wine is not an emulator. that is what it stands for :)
[16:43] <ravage> but it is still the best tool to run windows apps on linux
[16:44] <warmach1ne> ok thx
[16:44] <lotuspsychje> warmach1ne: or playonlinux, or search if your fav app has a snap
[16:44] <warmach1ne> i encountered a proton ... but if i good understand this is only for games
[16:46] <ravage> that is valve's fixed on wine
[16:46] <ravage> it works best by just installing steam really (for games)
[16:46] <ravage> most of my steam library just works
[16:49] <warmach1ne> ok thx for info .. guys
[16:49] <warmach1ne> so i install wine
[16:50] <warmach1ne> hmmm u know command sudo apt-get wine ??
[16:50] <RoadsterFL> you mean apt-get install
[16:51] <warmach1ne> yea
[16:51] <RoadsterFL> if wine is present in your repos
[16:52] <warmach1ne> mhm
[16:53] <warmach1ne> sorry i very long time don't use linux, last time i used mandriva distrubution
[16:55] <RoadsterFL> I guess wine is pretty much "old world" in terms of games... for programs I guess it is the best choice if you defineately want to run it on linux
[17:01] <WeeBey> i read something recently about Steam's new x layer performing slightly better than win11 at running windows games.
[17:01] <WeeBey> I forgot the name of their thing, funny enough.
[17:02] <leftyfb> WeeBey: feel free to discuss in #ubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-discuss
[17:10] <kachamr> hi, does anyone use zathura (document viewer)?
[17:13] <ravage> is that your real question? because the answer is yes. im sure anyone does.
[17:16] <kachamr> i was not sure, my question is about document content index, can i somehow configure look of it (i want to set zoom level)
[17:25] <lotuspsychje> kachamr: can the documentation help you? https://pwmt.org/projects/zathura/documentation/
[17:30] <kachamr> i am reading it now. I thought that someone have faced this problem (index is uncomfortably small) and came up with solution
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> kachamr: we usualy focus on ubuntu issues here mostly, specific apps on ubuntu might need some deeper search or specific channels
[18:57] <gash> hey
[19:06] <guest12398578196> hi! how can I disable ubuntu server asking for "rich mode" when autoinstalling using serial port(virt-install)?
[20:03] <esv> hey, folks I am troubleshooting a connectivity for a particular vm and not getting anything relevant, looking at the /var/log/dmesg file I found this one:
[20:03] <esv> audit(1701321479.546:15): apparmor="DENIED" operation="exec" profile="/{,usr/}sbin/dhclient" name="/usr/bin/true" pid=630 comm="isc-worker0000" requested_mask="x" denied_mask="x" fsuid=0 ouid=0
[20:04] <esv> apparently the server hasn't rebooted but wondering whether that would be causing the problem.
[20:08] <charles> I hope to upgrade, but when I do, I receive s message and installation will not continue. something about 3rd party software
[20:26] <iconoclast_hero> I'm on https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ .. I wanted to get back to an actual release and I expected that clicking on the ubuntu releases would take me to a webpage.
[20:26] <iconoclast_hero> is it supposed to go to a file-system directory listing? https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/  it's confusing because I'm looking for something web driven so I can get to e.g., the Jammy page: https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/jammy/source/current/source/
[20:27] <iconoclast_hero> are there no more .torrents to get .iso?
[20:33] <akik> iconoclast_hero: https://torrent.ubuntu.com/tracker_index
[20:34] <iconoclast_hero> thanks
[20:39] <michael_> Hey, on Ubuntu LTS 22.04 I've got a notification of the Core 18 update, but neither the changelog nor the update itself seems to be available. Was it retracted but still noted in the update schedule log?
[20:41] <CosmicDJ> michael_: core18 sounds like a snap
[20:42] <michael_> @CosmicDJ - yup it is
[20:43] <michael_> Snap 20231027 is the one giving problems
[20:44] <akik> michael_: what's a snap 20231027 ?
[20:44] <ioria> michael_, mount | grep core18
[20:45] <michael_> Sorry, probably phrased that badly, but meant to give the version number I notice in the update status @akik
[20:47] <michael_> @ioria - /var/lib/snapd/snaps/core18_2796.snap on /snap/core18/2796 type squashfs (ro,nodev,relatime,errors=continue,threads=single,x-gdu.hide)
[20:48] <michael_> Same for core18_2812
[20:48] <ioria> it's ok... what's the probelm ?
[20:50] <michael_> Can't update the Core18 at all. 'Unable to update "Core18" - snap has no updates available". While the system tries to push version 20231027 on me as an update
[20:50] <ioria> it's already updated
[20:51] <ioria> yoou can remove 2796 if you want
[20:52] <michael_> ... Huh. Misread it then. Still not sure why it tries to push an 'update', but idk. Thanks at least, I can then ignore that 'update'
[20:53] <ioria> michael_, if you want to remove old snaps you can use this script (it's safe): https://termbin.com/0z936
[20:59] <armadefuego> Hello all,
[20:59] <armadefuego> I am having some issues with my mouse. They appear after my machine wakes from sleep. 23.04, latest updates.
[20:59] <charles> charles
[21:00] <armadefuego> Hi Charles
[21:55] <Fossil> Any way of figuring out which process is accessing a CIFS share (on the client side)? fatrace doesnt show anything but on the server I can see with fatrace that this client is opening files
[21:56] <leftyfb>  Fossil lsof
[21:56] <echelon> tcpdump
[21:56] <Fossil> lsof doesnt seem to show anything accessing smb either
[21:56] <leftyfb> Fossil: then nothing is being accessed
[21:57] <Fossil> I can see it on the server
[21:57] <Fossil> Or its too fast of an operation for lsof to see
[21:57] <leftyfb> Fossil: lsof -r1
[21:58] <Fossil> nada
[22:02] <Fossil> Something is scanning the entire dir. Its mounted on an Ubuntu client as CIFS but not a single tool seems to be able to see reads/writes to it
[22:02] <leftyfb> Fossil: you realize being mounted is network activity right?
[22:03] <Fossil> Yes but since its mounted on /mnt somewhere I figured it would also show up as FS activity. How would I see which program is accessing it
[22:04] <leftyfb> Fossil: lsof
[22:04] <Fossil> tcpdump just shows source/dest which I already know
[22:04] <Fossil> Doesnt show up in lsof for some reason
[22:04] <leftyfb> Fossil: then nothing is accessing it
[22:05] <Fossil> Well I can see it on the server and using tcpdump on the client
[22:05] <leftyfb> you can see what exactly?
[22:06] <Fossil> Traffic when I hear the array going plus I see files being read with fatrace on the server
[22:06] <Fossil> by this client
[22:07] <leftyfb> Fossil: it's more than likely just because it's mounted
[22:07] <Fossil> I can see the exact files its reading
[22:09] <leftyfb> indexing maybe?
[22:09] <Fossil> nope cant be it
[22:10] <leftyfb> why not?
[22:48] <jono> when I'm running flash-kernel in a chroot, recently it's started exiting without any action, without any error, and an exit code of 0. --- I'd like to file a question or a bug on launchpad, but that's really not a lot of information to provide to help diagnose the problem. --- I've tried running `strace /usr/sbin/flash-kernel`, but all I get is a "test_ptrace_get_syscall_info: PTRACE_TRACEME: Function not implemented" which isn't super helpful. --- can anyone
[22:48] <jono>  suggest any other suggestions for figuring out why the flash-kernel halts immediately so I have a better chance of troubleshooting or filing a bug report?
[22:59] <bobdobbs> Hi. If I plug in either a microphone or a midi keyboard into my machine running ubuntu, then I can't detect them with software tools. I'm hoping that someone here can give me a hand with diagnostics.
[22:59] <bobdobbs> I suspect that I might have a hardware issue. Like maybe a problem with usb? I don't know.
[23:00] <bobdobbs> Oh yeah - I've tried with two mics. One of then via usb, one of them via a normal audio socket
[23:01] <Habbie> does lsusb show the usb devices?
[23:02] <bobdobbs> This is the output of lsusb: https://hastebin.com/share/jetozerabu.yaml
[23:03] <bobdobbs> line 3 is interesting. That looks like the midi controller that I've got plugged in
[23:03] <bobdobbs> oh no. maybe that's line 4
[23:03] <bobdobbs> tbh, I'm not really sure how to read this output
[23:16] <JanC> bobdobbs: line 4 is obviously the MIDI controller
[23:16] <JanC> line 8 is another USB audio device
[23:19] <JanC> line 8 is an USB audio device from MSI
[23:20] <root> google chrome


[05:04] <manchicken> apachelogger: ping
[09:09] <apachelogger> manchicken: pong
[09:10] <manchicken> apachelogger: You've got mail
[09:10] <manchicken> I cheated with the automated tests, I used conditional friend classes :)
[10:05] <apachelogger> Riddell: plasma-nm FTBFS everywhere, are you on that?
[10:06] <Riddell> apachelogger: hmm does it?  but yes I was going to look at all those nm packages today
[10:16] <apachelogger> ScottK: did you get a chance to get debug output from the patch?
[10:18] <manchicken> Alright, I'm gonna try to do the whole sleeping thing again. Later.
[10:19] <apachelogger> sleep, mhhh
[10:42] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1281036] Why is kdm still depending on consolekit? @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1281036 (by Simon Rettberg)
[10:55] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you didn't file an archive removel request for synaptiks?
[11:05] <apachelogger> ohohoh
[11:05] <apachelogger> need to write code oh my
[11:06] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: btw, you need to write a kns/kded module or somethign to check for properietary drivers
[11:06] <apachelogger> that feature was broken for the past 3000 years or so
[11:06] <apachelogger> it was there though ^^
[11:06] <apachelogger> you totally got the notification once you logged out xD
[11:06] <apachelogger> well
[11:06] <apachelogger> during logout
[11:28] <apachelogger> kns seriuosly needs  a rewrite
[11:28] <jussi> !info kns
[11:28] <Riddell> get hot new stuff!
[11:28]  * jussi wonders what kns is...
[11:28] <Riddell> ↑
[11:31] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I did
[11:31] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ScottK handled it
[11:31] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: please be closing bugs then
[11:32] <apachelogger> jussi: knh actually
[11:32] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: more importantly though, please be writing some notification thing
[11:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I'll put it on my todo for tday
[11:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: re closing bugs, everything needs to be closed? There might be valid bugs for Saucy?
[11:33] <apachelogger> see policy
[11:42] <Riddell> Darkwing_: happy birthday!
[11:47] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1281036] Why is kdm still depending on consolekit? @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1281036 (by Simon Rettberg)
[11:47] <shadeslayer> kubotu: order birthday package for Darkwing_
[11:47]  * kubotu is running to the corner shop to get a birthday present.
[11:47]  * kubotu slides a birthday cake and a present down the bar to Darkwing_ and gives everyone a nice frosty mug of beer.
[11:47] <kubotu> Happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you, happy birthday Darkwing_, happy birthday to you!!!! - Wooooho!
[11:47] <kubotu> Happy Birthday Darkwing_ :D
[11:47] <kubotu> To your health!
[11:48] <shadeslayer> beer at 12:50 PM :3
[11:51] <apachelogger> oh oh
[11:51] <apachelogger> there may be a problem with libkubuntu
[11:51] <jussi> BEER!!!!!!!!!!!!
[11:51] <jussi> apachelogger: is the problem that there is no beer?
[11:52] <apachelogger> yes
[11:52] <apachelogger> I have no beer
[11:52] <apachelogger> wtf
[11:52]  * apachelogger needs to get supply later
[11:52] <apachelogger> whoopwhoop
[11:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: libkubuntu may need bump to soversion2 xD
[11:52]  * apachelogger wanted to be cool and use a qscopedpointer
[11:52] <apachelogger> for the d_ptr
[11:53] <apachelogger> but for some reason when you try to allocate a thing that contains a qscopedpointer on the stack it falls over dead because qscopedpointer wants the private class to be declared which of course it is not
[11:53] <apachelogger> suprisingly it works when newing though
[11:54] <apachelogger> (not quite sure why it would fail to scopepoint in one case but not the other)
[11:56] <apachelogger> oh wait, now it is broken regardless
[11:58] <apachelogger> ahhh
[11:58] <apachelogger> it has to do with calling delete on the object
[11:58] <apachelogger> wtf
[11:58] <apachelogger> qscopedpointer for dptr is shit
[11:58] <apachelogger> that's what I get for trying to not write elitist code I guess :'<
[12:04] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: fwiw I can't reproduce https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-driver-manager/+bug/1280773
[12:05] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: http://i.imgur.com/Pofwjwv.png
[12:05] <apachelogger> reset != defaults
[12:05] <apachelogger> you need to make a change, then click reset
[12:06] <shadeslayer> oh
[12:06] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[12:06] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Do I actually have to apply the change
[12:07] <shadeslayer> or just click another radio button
[12:19] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: another radio button
[12:19] <apachelogger> if you apply the change you can't reset AFAIK
[12:20] <shadeslayer> ahh
[12:20] <shadeslayer> got
[12:20] <shadeslayer> *got it
[12:33] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/EOjjJrR.png
[12:33] <apachelogger> someone please come up with a better string
[12:33] <apachelogger> jussi: halp
[12:34] <jussi> apachelogger: "dude, you cant youse it without all the bitz!!!!!" ?
[12:40] <apachelogger> much better, thx
[12:45] <Riddell> apachelogger: "Language support is incomplete, install remaining language packs" ?
[12:47] <apachelogger> Riddell: "Language support is incomplete, additional packages required"
[12:48] <apachelogger> actually I would still call it software rather than packages TBH
[12:48] <apachelogger> packages is already very specific
[12:53] <Riddell> "language packs" I'm pretty sure that's used in other places like Windows too
[12:54] <ScottK> apachelogger: Did't see the patch.
[13:00] <apachelogger> Riddell: it might not only be language packs
[13:00] <apachelogger> Riddell: we also install dictionaries and stuff
[13:00] <apachelogger> ScottK: <apachelogger> ScottK: to be save though, if you could send me a screenshot of the 'mark additional changes' dialog it would be good
 ScottK: also here's a patch for qapt that adds debug on change detection, shoudl also help to pin point the exact problem http://paste.ubuntu.com/6930395/
[13:00] <Riddell> "Language support is incomplete, install remaining language support" ?
[13:01] <apachelogger> that sounds weird
[13:01]  * apachelogger found a grave bug :O
[13:02] <apachelogger> or not
[13:02] <apachelogger> man that parsing code is shit
[13:14] <apachelogger> Riddell: there really was a bug with support detection and en_GB
[13:14] <apachelogger> was using the wrong of the 3 codes -.-
[13:14] <apachelogger> void Kubuntu::LanguagePrivate::possiblyAddMissingPackage(const QString&) "kde-l10n-engb"
[13:14] <apachelogger> found missing package "kde-l10n-engb"
[13:14] <apachelogger> much better now
[13:15] <Riddell> oh well don't worry too much, after september we'll get a new country code anyway
[13:15] <apachelogger> ^^
[13:16] <apachelogger> it's highly annoying that we have 3 strings to express the same thing though
[13:16] <apachelogger> so very annoying
[13:16] <apachelogger> zh_TW essentially is the same
[13:32]  * apachelogger wonders why JT hand crafted a qapt GUI in knh
[13:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: did you actually get anywhere with your qapt->plasma thing?
[13:41]  * apachelogger ponders how to present language install
[13:51] <apachelogger> waaah, the code
[13:51] <apachelogger> such terrible.
[13:53] <sgclark> Riddell: did you get my email with the packages I finished?
[13:54] <apachelogger> m_hiddenCfgString = QString("hide" % m_name % "Notifier");
[13:54] <apachelogger> fanciest thing I have seen today
[13:55] <apachelogger> makes no sense, but very fancy
[14:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: not really
[14:03] <shadeslayer> it stopped working for some reason
[14:03] <shadeslayer> and I don't have the code anymore
[14:03] <apachelogger> nevermind then
[14:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: notification-helper pushed, requires libkubuntu from git master
[14:04] <apachelogger> would be lovely ifyou could test
[14:05] <apachelogger> UX is not the best I could imagine but qapt-batch is plenty cheap in terms of code
[14:06] <apachelogger> anyone who hasn't filled out the discover featured apps form yet and wants to?
[14:06] <apachelogger> closing in 3 hours other wise
[14:07] <shadeslayer> I have
[14:07] <apachelogger> currently we are looking at 5 apps: digikam > kdeconnect > amarok | chromium | vlc
[14:09] <apachelogger> oh my
[14:09] <apachelogger> I know why qscopedpointer acted
[14:09] <apachelogger> up
[14:10] <apachelogger> <- too stupid to define a dtor
[14:10] <shadeslayer> yofel: ping
[14:10] <yofel> hm?
[14:10] <shadeslayer> yofel: do you still have configs for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/UpgradeTestingSetup
[14:11] <yofel> hm, didn't we put those somewhere on lp?
[14:12] <shadeslayer> can't find on my page, or on kubuntu-dev or on kubuntu-packagers
[14:12] <yofel> shadeslayer: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-dev/auto-upgrade-testing/auto-upgrade-testing ?
[14:12] <shadeslayer> heers
[14:12] <shadeslayer> *cheers
[14:15] <shadeslayer> join #ubuntu-devel
[14:15] <shadeslayer> pft
[14:15] <apachelogger> what an IRC noob :P
[14:17] <Riddell> sgclark: yes I did thanks, should look at those shortly
[14:22] <apachelogger> Riddell, shadeslayer: lts policy was written meanwhile if you want to pre-review that before I submit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Policies#Long_Term_Support_.28LTS.29
[14:22] <shadeslayer> not today
[14:22] <apachelogger> going to submit for approval in 3 hours or so
[14:23] <Riddell> apachelogger: submit to where?
[14:25] <sgclark> Riddell: add kglobalaccel to that list
[14:27] <apachelogger> Riddell: list
[14:43] <sgclark> Riddell: kguiaddons
[14:51] <dougl> is my bluetooth supposed to be working ... somethimes it show in tray and sometimes not... when not it say there is nno adapter in system settings?
[14:53] <Riddell> that's about what I get :(  seems to be something low level
[14:53] <dougl> ok - as long as someone knows I don't have to learn how to do a bug report - lol
[14:54] <dougl> Riddell, we discussed this recently - you told me about bluedevil? (sanity check)
[14:57] <yofel> Riddell: did you get the bluez issue worked out? As far as I see bluedevil can't possibly be working in trusty
[14:58] <Riddell> yofel: uh oh, why not?
[14:58] <yofel> Riddell: because bluedevil2 only works with bluez5? (AFAIK)
[14:58] <Riddell> yofel: I reverted back to 1.3.2
[14:59] <yofel> oh ok, then my cache is out of date
[14:59] <yofel> nvm
[15:02] <sgclark> Riddell: kidletime
[15:10] <Riddell> hmm, new libmodemmanager qt is not binary compatible but has same soname
[15:15] <sgclark> Riddell: kimageformats
[15:16] <Riddell> go go sgclark!
[15:16] <shadeslayer> yofel: so .. : http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-dev/auto-upgrade-testing/auto-upgrade-testing/revision/103
[15:16] <shadeslayer> now to figure out if things still work :PO
[15:17] <yofel> I'll look at it once I'm home ^^
[15:18] <shadeslayer> cheers :)
[15:18] <shadeslayer> yofel: fyi : Text conflict in AutoUpgradeTester/UpgradeTestBackendLXC.py
[15:18] <shadeslayer> Text conflict in share/post_upgrade_tests/test_kernel.py
[15:18] <shadeslayer> yofel: were the 2 offending conflicts
[15:19] <shadeslayer> everything else merged fine
[15:20]  * shadeslayer waves fist at es.archive.ubuntu.com
[16:29] <ahoneybun> Riddell: apachelogger is this any good to us? http://remysharp.com/downloads/wiki2html.js
[16:30] <apachelogger> what for?
[16:30] <apachelogger> ohohohoh
[16:30] <apachelogger> jussi: I almost commited your string btw
[16:30] <apachelogger> was using it and forgot to remove it again xD
[16:31] <Riddell> ahoneybun: don't we already have a way of extracting the wiki into html?
[16:32] <ahoneybun> Riddell: seems we do..
[16:32] <ahoneybun> forgot
[16:32] <ahoneybun> been looking at the docbooks and stuff so much
[16:32] <Riddell> the question is if it can be automated for the website version
[16:33] <ahoneybun> well there must be a script that the website is using to convert them
[16:33] <Riddell> ahoneybun: lp:~jr/+junk/kubuntu-docs-downloader  for the not terribly elegant code that does it currently
[16:34]  * ahoneybun downloads it
[16:35] <sgclark> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6949654/
[16:35] <Riddell> sgclark: I seem to remember that doesn't matter, let me check
[16:36] <Riddell> sgclark: isn't it in  /usr/share/kde5/apps/kjs/create_hash_table ?
[16:37] <sgclark> Riddell: for some reason it changed, did cmakemodules get changed?
[16:37] <Riddell> sgclark: hmm, shouldn't have done, should be set in extra-cmake-modules
[16:38] <Riddell> sgclark: ok maybe that script should be executable, in which case it probably needs dh_fixperms overridden with -X/path/to/script
[16:40] <ahoneybun> Riddell: but if we want to make snapshots then it will only needed to be exported 1) if a new language is finished 2) for a new release cycle
[16:40] <Riddell> sgclark: ok yes upstream changed DATA_INSTALL_DIR so it's just /usr/share so I guess that's fine
[16:40] <sgclark> ok
[16:42] <Riddell> ahoneybun: at the momeny we just take it off the wiki every 10 minutes, that's subject to abuse though so we might want to look at doing it on demand only
[16:43] <ahoneybun> Riddell: that's what I mean only export when something new hits like a language, release, section
[16:43] <Riddell> but first we have to get export working at all to the website :)
[16:47] <ahoneybun> we can't just use the html we have now and put that into the website?
[16:47] <Riddell> ahoneybun: we can but that's not very automated
[16:48] <Riddell> apachelogger: how did you export it?  did you have to fiddle by hand or did you use a nifty script?
[16:59] <apachelogger> Riddell: script
[16:59] <apachelogger> Riddell: see mails on the list
[16:59] <Riddell> oh interesting
[17:00] <apachelogger> wiki -> xml -> docbook -> *
[17:00] <sgclark> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6949768/
[17:00] <apachelogger> eve upstream's script, I just wrote a harness around it that simplifies the xml export
[17:00] <apachelogger> *even
[17:02] <ahoneybun> apachelogger: Riddell what do you need to know about Kubuntu Teams in general>
[17:02] <Riddell> ahoneybun: ?
[17:03] <ahoneybun> apachelogger: that mail to the list?
[17:03] <ahoneybun> Kubuntu Policies
[17:03] <Riddell> sgclark: it says 775 isn't 755
[17:03] <apachelogger> ahoneybun: the policies are all writen :P
[17:03] <Riddell> which is g+x I think
[17:04] <apachelogger> what one needs to know is in the policy now
[17:04] <sgclark> Riddell: I have no idea what would cause that, only happens in pbuilder
[17:04] <sgclark> Riddell: nor how to fix
[17:04] <sgclark> Riddell: is it my dh_fixperms?
[17:04] <Riddell> sgclark: no, neither do I, what did you set dh_fixperms command to?
[17:05] <sgclark> Riddell: I think  that is it, trying something
[17:15] <sgclark> Riddell: kjs ready
[17:17] <Riddell> sgclark: just uploading your others, looking good
[17:23] <Riddell> sgclark: you didn't remove rename-kjs-binary.diff ?
[17:23] <sgclark> Riddell: hmm I did
[17:24] <Riddell> sgclark: I think you forgot to bzr rm it, I've deleted it and uploaded
[17:24] <sgclark> Riddell: odd, ok thank you
[17:26] <sgclark> Riddell: I have to step away for a few, will try to finish t1 today though if you are gone when I get back, check tomorrow for email with finished list :)
[17:26] <Riddell> sgclark: you rock!
[17:26] <sgclark> Riddell: :)
[17:31] <Riddell> sgclark: build failures on symbols https://launchpadlibrarian.net/166545902/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-i386.kjs_4.96.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.04~ppa2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[17:33]  * Riddell wanders out
[18:13] <shadeslayer> yofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6950144/
[18:13] <yofel> o.O
[18:15] <shadeslayer> yofel: possibly my setup is screwed
[18:15] <shadeslayer> though I don't understand how
[18:16] <yofel> try to start the cointainer by hand, I've seen cases where lxc fails to recieve the DHCPOFFER so the container ends up without IP
[18:16] <shadeslayer> what's the command for that xD
[18:17] <yofel> uh, lxc-start -n <cointainer-name>
[18:17] <yofel> sudo lxc-ls will tell you what's there
[18:17] <shadeslayer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6950182/
[18:18] <yofel> meh, that looks ok :/
[18:18] <shadeslayer> indeed
[18:19] <shadeslayer> saucy backoports being copied
[18:22] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://im9.eu/picture/rl2485
[18:22] <apachelogger> it's a spaceship
[18:22] <shadeslayer> yep!
[18:22] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: oh, btw, what I never got... why the uicon with the 'i'?
[18:22] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: need help with the build issue though
[18:22] <apachelogger> build issue does not compute
[18:23] <apachelogger> supposedly yo uhave a typedef elsewhere already
[18:23] <shadeslayer> yes, but I don't include the header which has the typedef in the class header
[18:23] <shadeslayer> so why is it complaining
[18:23] <apachelogger> I dunno
[18:23] <apachelogger> you only showed me one line
[18:24] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: code is pushed to kubuntu-notification-helper
[18:24] <shadeslayer> pull eet
[18:24] <apachelogger> show me the error
[18:25] <shadeslayer> as for the 'i' , I don't have a icon without it :(
[18:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/ppumwopcf
[18:26] <apachelogger> I thought jockey used one without the i
[18:26] <apachelogger> /home/shadeslayer/sauce/Kubuntu/kubuntu-notification-helper/src/daemon/driverevent/driverevent.h:33:7: error: forward declaration of ‘class QVariantMapMap’
[18:26] <apachelogger>  class QVariantMapMap;
[18:26] <apachelogger> you cannot forward decl a typedef
[18:27] <apachelogger> especially not as class because typedef != class
[18:27] <shadeslayer> oh
[18:27] <shadeslayer> true
[18:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: thx, fixed
[18:37] <shadeslayer> yofel: mind looking at that ssh issue?
[18:37] <shadeslayer> whenever you have the time
[18:37] <yofel> I'll try to look at it later
[18:39]  * shadeslayer is thinking of doing something evil
[18:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: that icon without the ! is a jockey specific icon
[18:46] <apachelogger> I see
[21:06] <DonkeyHotei> [Mon 2014-02-17 12:33:25 PM PST] <DonkeyHotei> so i debootstrapped saucy then apt-get installed kubuntu-active, and upon logging in i get a white screen
[21:06] <DonkeyHotei> [Mon 2014-02-17 01:02:26 PM PST] <DonkeyHotei> lordievader: who might be knowledgeable enough to help me troubleshoot?
[21:06] <DonkeyHotei> [Mon 2014-02-17 01:04:17 PM PST] <lordievader> DonkeyHotei: I'm sorry I wouldn't know. Perhaps the devs in #kubuntu-devel know. Or they might know where you can get help.
[22:42] <DonkeyHotei> anyone?
[23:07] <shadeslayer> DonkeyHotei: sorry, I don't think anyone's working on PA4
[23:08] <shadeslayer> it's not really a priority for anyone, and it's a bit of a hassle to get it integrated to be honest
[23:08] <DonkeyHotei> so there is no free touch-ui alternative to win8 at all?
[23:10] <shadeslayer> I wouldn't say that, I'd say they're there, but at the very least no one on the Kubuntu Team has Plasma Active on priority right now
[23:11] <shadeslayer> DonkeyHotei: feel free to figure out what doesn't work and send us fixes
[23:11] <DonkeyHotei> how do i figure out why it's just a white screen?
[23:12] <shadeslayer> DonkeyHotei: try looking in ~/.xsession-errors
[23:12] <DonkeyHotei> i would speculate something isn't installed or doesn't get started
[23:14] <DonkeyHotei> ok, ~/.xsession-errors is empty
[23:14] <shadeslayer> can you run startactive by hand
[23:14] <shadeslayer> and check the output
[23:15] <shadeslayer> if it's a "something doesn't get installed" issue, then it's a easy fix :)
[23:15] <shadeslayer> but I think the problem is alot worse ...
[23:15] <DonkeyHotei> from run it from an X session? or from recovery mode?
[23:16] <DonkeyHotei> -from
[23:17] <shadeslayer> press ctrl+alt+f1
[23:17] <DonkeyHotei> and run it from there?
[23:17] <shadeslayer> login, then sudo service lightdm stop, then : sudo X :0 &, then export DISPLAY=:0; then startactive
[23:18] <DonkeyHotei> i should add that i have to plug a keyboard in to log in, no way to enter the password on the tablet otherwise
[23:19] <shadeslayer> oh, what tablet is this btw?
[23:19] <DonkeyHotei> msi windpad 110w
[23:20] <shadeslayer> ok
[23:24] <DonkeyHotei> got a lot of output
[23:25] <shadeslayer> DonkeyHotei: concentrate on the last couple of lines ( press ctrl alt f1 again to check )
[23:25] <DonkeyHotei> i see QSQLITE driver not loaded and available drivers: QMYSQL3 QMYSQL
[23:26] <shadeslayer> should be fine
[23:26] <shadeslayer> I think ...
[23:26] <DonkeyHotei> and then it goes on to a lot of database not found errors
[23:27] <shadeslayer> do you still have a white screen?
[23:28] <DonkeyHotei> black
[23:33] <DonkeyHotei> shadeslayer: does that give any clues?
[23:34] <shadeslayer> DonkeyHotei: nope, need any errors towards the end
[23:34] <shadeslayer> check .xsession-errors
[23:36] <DonkeyHotei> last lines are property so and so does not exist
[23:36] <DonkeyHotei> before that no such signal
[23:36] <DonkeyHotei> before that database not open
[23:37] <shadeslayer> can you pastebin it?
[23:37] <DonkeyHotei> way back, session d-bus connection created before QCoreApplication
[23:39] <shadeslayer> that's fine too
[23:50] <DonkeyHotei> shadeslayer: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=5ui8Mq1t
[23:51] <shadeslayer> there's some fun in there that I most certainly do not like on first look
[23:54] <shadeslayer> DonkeyHotei: but nope, I can't figure out what's causing it to not startup, maybe try #active and show them the startactive log
[23:55] <shadeslayer> possibly they only support systemd init services ... which is why it's not working ... not sure
[23:55] <DonkeyHotei> [Mon 2014-02-17 12:30:46 PM PST] <mbohlender> DonkeyHotei: you have to talk to the kubuntu people if you have a problem with packages that they provide.
[23:56] <shadeslayer> ufff
[23:56]  * shadeslayer looks
[23:57] <shadeslayer> I don't think it's a issue with the packages primarily since we just ship whatever upstream ships
[23:57] <shadeslayer> could be that we're missing a dependency, but that's purely because Active is so poorly documented and is mostly targetted towards Mer
[23:59] <shadeslayer> DonkeyHotei: btw this is with 13.10?
[23:59] <DonkeyHotei> saucy
[23:59] <shadeslayer> right, 13.10