[04:47] <TimErrington> Hi - I have an mx4 and am on 10.1 stable. Iam having problems with SMS/Messaging - I cant seem to click inside the editing area for new messages to make changes any more - anyone else experiencing this?
[08:20] <lotuspsychje> mcphail: did you get ota10.1 yet?
[08:21] <lotuspsychje> sil2100: do we have a working meizu link to topic also?
[08:21] <sil2100> lotuspsychje: hey! What do you mean?
[08:22] <lotuspsychje> users ask sometimes where to buy meizu devices
[08:22] <lotuspsychje> sil2100: and last meizu link in topic was dead
[08:22] <mcphail> lotuspsychje: not yet. I'm taking a break from Ubuntu for a while
[08:22] <sil2100> hm, not sure if we'll be able to fit that in right now, the current topic is already a bit big
[08:23] <lotuspsychje> mcphail: whats happening mate, nothing serious?
[08:23] <lotuspsychje> sil2100: ok no sweat :p
[08:23] <sil2100> Sometimes when my status update has more than a few words it gets truncated already ;)
[08:23] <mcphail> lotuspsychje: no - just too many frustrations with it just now. Probably gping to take a month or so then come back
[08:24] <sil2100> mcphail: sorry about that!
[08:24] <mcphail> sil2100: :) - I'll be back...
[08:40] <davmor2> mcphail: that is the worst terminator impression ever! ;)
[08:43] <lotuspsychje> lol
[10:02] <mcphail> davmor2: ha!
[10:03] <davmor2> mcphail: hey no excuses a simple <arnie> I'll be back... </arnie> and it would of been perfect but oh no ;)
[10:03] <mcphail> I think it would have been more effective if he had delivered the line with a smiley face
[10:05] <lotuspsychje> the ubuntu is everywhere url not laggy anymore on ota10.1 nice work
[10:21] <swalladge> would anyone recommend going for the new aquarias m10 ?
[10:22] <swalladge> looking for a new tablet and ubuntu-touch looks intriguing
[10:24] <davmor2> swalladge: depends what your needs are and if it meets them :)
[10:25] <swalladge> hehe maybe i'll just get it and see
[10:26] <swalladge> hmm
[11:05] <Acou_Bass> heey folks... im having trouble with getting convergence to work again - i got a new cable today, and again my phone comes up saying its connected to an external display, and my battery indicator starts charging (before the external display screen pops up) but still nothing appears on my monitor
[11:05] <Acou_Bass> any ideas? XD
[11:06] <Acou_Bass> oh weait! got it
[11:06] <Acou_Bass> my hdmi cable in TV wasnt in right
[11:10] <davmor2> Acou_Bass: \o/
[11:48] <Acou_Bass> i think the USB port on my phone might be on its way out... gotta really jigle the chord for this to work..
[11:48] <Acou_Bass> XD
[12:41]  * ogra_ sighs ... what changed ion the calendar app, it doesnt add any of my events to the indicator anymore ... which makes me miss meeting notifications
[12:53] <davmor2> ogra_: haha
[12:54] <davmor2> ogra_: port it so snappy cause snappy makes everything work right ;)
[12:54] <ogra_> yeah :P
[12:56] <davmor2> ogra_: you could port tasks/task warrior to snappy and gcalcli not sure how that would give you notifications but it might :)
[13:01] <ogra_> davmor2, well, the indicator shows totally different stuff to the calendar
[13:02] <ogra_> seems like they use different calendars
[13:02] <davmor2> ogra_: you got the right account setup?
[13:02] <ogra_> i have two google accounts set up ... only one for calendar access
[13:03] <ogra_> but it seems i get the events from the disabled one in the indicator ...
[13:03] <ogra_> but the ones from the enabled one in the calendar app
[13:03] <davmor2> ogra_: talk to renatu and charles
[13:03]  * davmor2 hopes it is renatu now :)
[13:04]  * ogra_ reboots the phone after deleting one of the google accounts
[13:05] <ogra_> lets see
[13:07] <ogra_> heh, no matter what i do ... the patch pilot entry from the account i just deleted persists in the indicator ... all meeting events that show up in the calendar are not there
[13:08] <ogra_> and funnily this is reporducable on all my devices
[13:10] <renatu> ogra_, after the first sync the events still there even if you disable the accounts (on system settings), but if you remove it the events should disappears. It works for me
[13:10] <ogra_> doesnt here
[13:10] <renatu> ogra_, how many google accounts do you have now?
[13:11] <ogra_> i have an "oliver.grawert@gmail" and an<EMAIL_ADDRESS>google account
[13:11] <ogra_> the patch pilot calendar is tied to the former ... all my meetings are in the latter
[13:11] <renatu> ogra_, are both enabled?
[13:11] <ogra_> i removed the account completely
[13:11] <ogra_> the calendar shows the canonical events
[13:12] <ogra_> the indicator only shows the patch pilot one ... and not any of the upcoming meetings
[13:12] <ogra_> that must have started this week ... i'm sure i had meeting notiofications last week
[13:13] <ogra_> heh
[13:13] <renatu> ogra_, check how many dirs with <id>@ubuntu-phablet do you have in: ~/.local/share/evolution/calendar/
[13:13] <ogra_> and tapping the piloting entry in the indicator opens the calendar with an empty page for tomorrow
[13:14] <ogra_> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ ls -l ~/.local/share/evolution/calendar/
[13:14] <ogra_> total 16
[13:14] <ogra_> drwx------ 2 phablet phablet 4096 Apr 12 15:09<PHONE_NUMBER>.2411.0@ubuntu-phablet
[13:14] <ogra_> drwx------ 2 phablet phablet 4096 Mär 31 17:49<PHONE_NUMBER>.2411.1@ubuntu-phablet
[13:14] <ogra_> (and a system and trash folder)
[13:14] <renatu> ok do you still have 2 calendars
[13:15] <ogra_> i removed one of the google accounts ... so no, should only be one nopw
[13:15] <renatu> yes looks like you have two bugs here
[13:15] <ogra_> oh, wait, i'm on the wrong device ... on this one i only disabled the calendar in the account settings
[13:15] <renatu> one the calendar should be removed with the account
[13:16]  * ogra_ checks the right device ... one sec
[13:16] <ogra_> (though i assume disabling the calendar should have the same effect ? )
[13:16] <renatu> ogra_, disabling it on system settings only disable the sync
[13:17] <ogra_> ok
[13:17] <ogra_> on the device where i deleted it i have in fact only one subdir
[13:17] <renatu> ogra_, there is a bug related with that discussion, we did not agree in a solution yet
[13:18] <renatu> ogra_, and about the indicator?
[13:18] <renatu> ogra_, is it showing the right events?
[13:18] <ogra_> nope
[13:18] <renatu> ogra_, what it is showing:?
[13:18] <ogra_> it shows the patch pilot entry for tomorrow from the deleted account
[13:18] <ogra_> and none of the events for the canonical account
[13:18] <ogra_> (calendar shows it all correct )
[13:20] <renatu> ogra_, humm strange, you will need charles help :D.
[13:20]  * ogra_ suspected that :)
[13:21] <ogra_> the session indicator is realyl disturbing now ... makes it a lot harder to reach the date indicator
[13:21] <renatu> I would say that you have this event replicated on your system calendar or in your other google calendar. But I still not sure why the indicator is not showing the others events
[13:22] <renatu> it should show the next 4 events
[13:22] <ogra_> well, i'll happily wipe the data and re-sync if that helps ... i just got used to rely on the notifications for meetings ... not getting tghem makes me miss them,
[13:22] <renatu> ogra_, yes wait for charles, will be nice to identify the problem
[13:23] <renatu> ogra_, you can try to grep for the event title in "~/.local/share/evolution/calendar/"
[13:23] <ogra_> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ ls ./.cache/syncevolution|grep -c calendar
[13:23] <ogra_> 16
[13:23] <renatu> ogra_, they are text files
[13:23] <ogra_> seems i have quite a few syncevolution calendars there
[13:24] <renatu> ogra_, these are logs, the real calendar stays on "~/.local/share/evolution/calendar/"
[13:24] <ogra_> ok
[13:35] <ogra_> argh !
[13:35] <ogra_> so deleting my calendar on the phone wiped my complete google calendar ...
[13:35] <mcphail> ogra_: oof
[13:36] <davmor2> ogra_: please tell me you mean it deleted everything off the phone and not off the web too
[13:36] <ogra_> davmor2, off the web
[13:36] <davmor2> ogra_: how the hell
[13:36] <popey> how!?
[13:37] <mike00> hi there, what are the changes in ota10.1?
[13:37] <ogra_> popey, i removed ~/.local/share/evolution/calendar/* ... and then hit sync
[13:37] <ogra_> (obviously expecting it to re-sync from the web)
[13:38] <popey> mike00: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes/OTA-10.1
[13:38] <mike00> thanks, i'll see
[13:39] <davmor2> ogra_: no what you have there is you removed all of you appointments not your account and then hit sync
[13:40] <ogra_> davmor2, yes, obviously
[13:41]  * davmor2 makes a note to block terminal app and adb on all ogra_ phones to make the world a safer place ;)
[13:41]  * ogra_ copied the weekly events back in place .... no indication of them in the indicator still
[13:41] <ogra_> (they show up in the calendar app as before)
[13:42] <ogra_> seems the indicator simply ignores this calendar
[13:43] <ogra_> sigh
[13:44] <ogra_> and it seems that the deleting of the events also set me to "not attending" in all original entries in the upstream calendars
[13:44] <ogra_> how do i fix that ?
[14:11] <EdwardMorbius> checking for updates works since last night, resolved itself, well that part.
[14:30] <dobey> hmm, battery life on my mako has been pretty awful lately too
[15:18] <jgdx> barry, is the s-i dbus api documented anywhere?
[15:19] <barry> jdstrand: yes.  `man system-image-dbus`
[15:19] <barry> jgdx: ^^
[15:19] <barry> jdstrand: sorry :)
[15:19] <jgdx> barry, \o/ thanks
[15:32] <qiangong2> Hello, I get an error when compiling ubuntu touch for my Samsung Galaxy Star Pro
[15:32] <qiangong2> I have a 'vendor/cm/config/telephony.mk not found' error
[15:32] <qiangong2> does anyone have a solution?
[15:33] <qiangong2> anyone?
[16:44] <mike00> few days ago I report a translation bug, but I lost the link. can someone send it to me, please?
[16:45] <lotuspsychje> mike00: type launchpad in your history?
[16:46] <mike00> I've got to launchpad link in my history...
[16:46] <mike00> *too much
[16:46] <lotuspsychje> mike00: what kind of bug was it?
[16:47] <mike00> translation
[16:47] <lotuspsychje> mike00: about what specific
[16:47] <mike00> in the system drop down  menu
[16:47] <lotuspsychje> wich device?
[16:47] <mike00> e4.5
[16:49] <renatu> hey guys do you if arale support LTE 2600 (4g in Brazil), or how I can check that ?
[16:51] <dobey> renatu: http://www.gsmarena.com/meizu_mx4-6627.php says it has LTE 2600
[16:52] <renatu> dobey, yes I saw that, but I am not sure if my phone is connected on 4g
[16:52] <renatu> it shows "h" on  the indicator
[16:52] <lotuspsychje> mike00: cant find it right away, try this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Avengers
[16:52] <dobey> renatu: that is hspa i guess
[16:52] <renatu> and the speed does not look great
[16:52] <dobey> it is not 4g indeed
[16:53] <dobey> mike00: look in your e-mail for it
[16:54] <mike00> not yet
[16:54] <mike00> there isn't nothing
[16:55] <mike00> maybe I find it... can be "https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+filebug"
[16:55] <mike00> ?
[16:56] <lotuspsychje> mike00: did you file the bug yourself?
[16:56] <mike00> yes, few days ago I report a new bug
[16:56] <dobey> that's the link to create a new bug
[16:56] <lotuspsychje> mike00: whats your username on launchpad?
[16:56] <mike00> mymike
[16:57] <mike00> why?
[16:57] <ogra_> you should a) have gotten an email and b) it should show up under your launchpad.net page
[16:57] <dobey> mike00: just go to https://bugs.launchpad.net/~
[16:57] <mike00> I've got an email in my launchpad profile
[16:58] <dobey> what ogra_ meant was that launchpad sent you an e-mail when the bug was reported
[16:58] <dobey> and it sends further e-mail when there are any changes
[16:58] <ogra_> right
[16:59] <ogra_> the mail is a copy of the info you did input in the bug report
[16:59] <mike00> but launchpad hasn't sent me any email...
[16:59] <ogra_> it sends it to the mail address you configured for your account
[17:00] <ogra_> mike00, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/~mymike
[17:00] <mike00> I saw yet
[17:00] <mike00> I can see all bug I reported and all bugs affect my apps
[17:01] <ogra_> right
[17:01] <mike00> but launchpad hasn't sent any mail about the bug I report few days ago... is it right?
[17:01] <ogra_> it should
[17:03] <mike00> I tried searching in emails but there isn't
[17:03] <dobey> check your spam folders too?
[17:03] <mike00> now I try
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> mike00: why are you still on ota9.1?
[17:04] <ogra_> and make sure the account you used in launchpad is correct as well :)
[17:04] <mike00> lotuspsychje: I'm on OTA 10.1... why?
[17:05] <mike00> in quarantine I have no launchpad mail...
[17:07] <mike00> what link I have to go to report the translation bug?
[17:09] <lotuspsychje> mike00: you said you already filed the bug?
[17:09] <mike00> now I want to report another bug
[17:10] <lotuspsychje> mike00: about what
[17:10] <mike00> translation
[17:10] <mike00> system drop down menu
[17:10] <mike00> the old one was in the notification drop daown menu
[17:44] <mike00> now I report the 2nd bug, but I didn't receive any mail...
[17:46] <davmor2> mike00: mails aren't instant if it is from Launchpad
[17:58] <mike00> but I didn't receive neither the email bug I reported few .days ago...
[18:43] <stakewinner00> the text from the search input box are of the same color than the background in the music app, so you can not see what you are typing
[22:58] <ahoneybun> anyone getting "could not set security display hint" on setting passphrase and 4 digit pin?
[22:58] <ahoneybun> Nexus 7 on rc-proposed
[22:58] <ahoneybun> r414


[03:06] <calc> gwibber seems a bit crap :-\
[03:06] <calc> i try to write comments and it seems to hang and not repaint and also not actually send to my accounts :\
[03:08] <cody-somerville> calc, I can't use it. I get spammed.
[03:08] <calc> oh
[03:08] <calc> it just plain doesn't work for me at all, must not be properlyl threaded
[03:08] <calc> and i think my net connection here might be a bit flaky so it ends up nearly crashing the app
[03:09]  * calc is at a coffee shop with about 50-100 other geeks at a meeting, heh
[03:09] <calc> tends to take down the little dlink ap here
[03:12]  * calc thinks gwibber needs to be slightly less crap before we set it up during the installer
[03:13]  * calc can load the various pages in web browser but gwibber can't set status on them for some reason
[03:19] <ajmitch> calc: yeah, gwibber regularly hangs for me as well
[06:29] <aSt3raL> anyone work with the arm kernel?
[13:19] <maxb> Anyone wise in the ways of devicekit-power here? Since gnome-power-manager migrated away from hal, it no longer detects the existence of my battery, on the Acer Aspire One
[15:56] <DreadKnight> updated intel video drivers recently and blender 2.49 started acting up again....can someone restore the drivers to an older commit?
[15:58] <DreadKnight> ubunty keeps shitting on intel video card users ...
[16:14] <directhex> DreadKnight, i'm sure it's part of a plot to punish intel owners, paid for by secretive AMD spies
[16:14] <DreadKnight> awesome >_<
[16:35] <maxb> If you're running Karmic you shouldn't be surprised about occasional breakage.
[16:35] <maxb> and my intel video is working fine
[17:55] <slangasek> cjwatson: hmm, looks like someone NBSed out 2.6.30-6 after all?
[17:56] <slangasek> cjwatson: did you say there was something needing doing besides the usual reupload this time?
[17:57] <slangasek> hmm, not according to scrollback; guess I'll pick that up then
[17:59] <slangasek> or, it's already done but d-i isn't built yet
[18:00] <slangasek> ah, the directfb problem
[23:47] <DaedalusX> hey all
[23:48] <DaedalusX> does anyone know how to fix the issue with apparmor blocking dhclient-script in Jaunty?
[23:48] <DaedalusX> it's uhhh... rather irritating


[14:15] <AlanBell> who runs planet.ubuntu-women.org?
[14:17] <elky> AlanBell, it's on canonical hardware afaik
[14:18] <AlanBell> just the 35% width on the logo makes it look dreadfully squished on a big monitor
[14:19] <elky> AlanBell, it's a squished logo, i'm not sure the monitor size has anything to do with that.
[14:19] <AlanBell> it is 35% of the width of the container, if the browser window is wide it grows
[14:20] <AlanBell> the height of the image is 80% of the top banner thing, which is fixed
[14:20] <AlanBell> if you just remove the width with firebug the browser sorts out the aspect ratio
[14:22] <AlanBell> maybe one to sort out with the new logo
[14:25] <elky> ah. it must be assuming a really narrow ratio then
[14:26] <AlanBell> it probably looks about right at a 1024 width browser. I just don't like bastard font sizes. (yes, that is the correct technical term)
[17:15] <pleia2> AlanBell: yeah, the planet has always been like that, should probably add redesigning that to the scope of our website project
[17:15] <pleia2> have to submit an rt ticket for it though (we don't have access to changing the theme)
[17:16] <AlanBell> meh, don't worry about it then
[17:16] <AlanBell> but yes, add to the scope
[17:16] <AlanBell> and feel free to chuck me tasks on that
[17:31] <pleia2> akgraner: are you going to send out a "these people are up for leadership positions, add testimonals now" message?
[17:32]  * nigelb is waiting for pokes to do that
[17:49] <akgraner> pleia2, yep was going todo that today...
[19:52] <Pendulum> I'm not sure anyone's brought this up here, but we're looking for people to be instructors for the next Ubuntu User Day (which will be June 5, hours TBA)
[19:53] <czajkowski> Pendulum: cool
[20:05] <issyl0> Hi.
[20:05] <issyl0> Pendulum: cool
[20:06] <czajkowski> issyl0: hows things?
[20:06] <Pendulum> issyl0: not seen you around for a while
[20:07] <issyl0> Pendulum: no, I know, I'm sorry.
[20:07]  * issyl0 has been hopelessly busy with school etc.
[20:07] <issyl0> czajkowski: things are reasonably good.
[20:07] <issyl0> Oh and the weather.
[20:07] <issyl0> Yourselves?
[20:10] <Pendulum> i'm procrastinating on packing and cleaning :)
[20:10] <JanC> I guess you're close to exams at school?
[20:10]  * czajkowski loves the weather
[20:11] <czajkowski> issyl0: any plans for the summer?
[20:11] <issyl0> JanC: languages (Spanish and German) speaking exams soon, plus Science exams at the end of June and other things.
[20:11] <czajkowski> should keep you busy
[20:11] <JanC> issyl0: good luck with all of that!  ☺
[20:11] <JanC> czajkowski: we just got 2 days of nice weather in .be, starting tomorrow it will probably rain again  ;)
[20:11] <issyl0> czajkowski: er, nope.  Well, a week's holiday in between another 5 weeks of... relaxation?  Never. :P
[20:12] <czajkowski> sounds nice
[20:12] <issyl0> czajkowski: how about you? don't suppose you're planning a summer trip to UK are you?
[20:12] <issyl0> JanC: thanks!
[20:12] <Pendulum> issyl0: do you understand the word "relaxation"?
[20:12] <czajkowski> issyl0: did you ever get work placement sorted?
[20:12] <czajkowski> issyl0: not sure re UK to be honest
[20:12] <czajkowski> all depends on work
[20:13] <issyl0> czajkowski: I did, yes.  Though that's in September, not the summer holidays.
[20:13] <issyl0> Pendulum: yes, I do.  Relaxation = non-school work. ;)
[20:13] <issyl0> Teeheee
[20:13] <czajkowski> issyl0: oh where?
[20:13] <issyl0> czajkowski: http://www.siriusit.co.uk/
[20:14]  * issyl0 wonders if we should move non-project discussion to #u-w ?
[20:14] <czajkowski> hah I know them
[20:14] <czajkowski> :D
[20:14] <issyl0> czajkowski: oh/
[20:14] <issyl0> czajkowski: great!
[20:14] <issyl0> czajkowski: how wehn where why?
[20:14] <czajkowski> :)
[20:14] <czajkowski> remember I was in weybridge recently :)
[20:15]  * issyl0 thinks... oh yes!
[20:15] <czajkowski> such pretty offices
[20:15] <issyl0> czajkowski: that's ages ago, comparitive to my memory :P
[20:15] <issyl0> czajkowski: indeed :D
[20:15] <issyl0> czajkowski: why did you go there?
[20:16] <issyl0> Just out of itnerest.
[20:20] <czajkowski> to meet some folks and have a wee chat
[20:23] <czajkowski> hypatia: ping
[20:23] <hypatia> pong!
[20:24] <czajkowski> hypatia: hello there, how's life in Canada these days, just noticed your wiki page up for leadership, just wanted to know if you're still going ahead so I an leave a testimonial
[20:24] <issyl0> czajkowski: cool
[20:25] <hypatia> czajkowski: i am going to, i know my application is very incomplete so far - i've been on the road a bunch
[20:26] <hypatia> will tidy it up this evening :)
[20:26] <hypatia> i'm actually in texas right now :)
[20:26] <czajkowski> hypatia: thats a bbit far away from Canda
[20:27] <czajkowski> what are you at?
[20:27] <hypatia> work
[20:27] <hypatia> my main customer is down here
[20:27] <czajkowski> hypatia: be sure to poke me once you'e done with application
[20:27] <hypatia> so i'm doing some onsite
[20:27] <czajkowski> nice
[20:27] <hypatia> czajkowski: will do
[20:33] <akgraner> email sent to the list - Testimonial Phase is now underway!  Good Luck to hypatia, pleia2, elky and Pendulum!
[20:34] <pleia2> thanks akgraner :) and thanks czajkowski!
[20:35] <czajkowski> pleia2: ;)
[20:45] <Pendulum> czajkowski: you tweet the cutest baby pictures
[20:45] <czajkowski> they were done on saturday
[20:46] <czajkowski> Caoimhe is getting sooo cute
[21:07] <JanC> """Caoimhe (pronounced approximately KWEE-və  or KEE-və) is an Irish Gaelic given name derived from the Gaelic caomh, meaning beautiful, gentle or precious. It is from the same root as the Irish name Kevin. Its English equivalent is Kevina (pronounced ke-VEE-nə)."""
[21:07] <JanC> with such a name, she must be cute  ;)
[21:08] <czajkowski> heh
[21:08] <czajkowski> she is
[21:08] <czajkowski> some irish names have lovely meanings
[21:09] <czajkowski> her sister is Aisling - Ash Ling which is dream in irish
[21:10] <AlanBell> my kids middle names are Aoife, Catriona and Cormac
[21:10] <issyl0> Wow.
[21:10] <MichelleQ1> My second child is Ainsley
[21:10] <issyl0> My name is boring in comparison!
[21:11] <czajkowski> myself and sister have non irish names as my dad is english and cannot pronounce irish names correctly without a lot of effort
[21:11] <AlanBell> there is a reason they are middle names!
[21:11] <issyl0> AlanBell: hehe
[21:12] <MichelleQ1> My kids have family names as middle names - Quinn's middle name is my maiden name
[21:13] <czajkowski> I've my grans and my sister has my great grans first name
[21:15] <MichelleQ1> family names are such nice things to give to a child - assuming it isn't something completely bizarre.
[21:17] <MichelleQ1> I'd love to take Q to Ireland, to show him where his name comes from.  He hasn't asked yet, but I expect it won't be too many more years.
[21:17] <MarkDude> I have Jorma - since my parents were dreamers, it is Native American
[21:17] <MichelleQ1> MarkDude: that's pretty cool.  Pronounced the way it's spelled?
[21:18] <czajkowski> MichelleQ1: nice
[21:18] <MarkDude> Yep, the same spelling can be pronounced as a Y by some
[21:20] <MarkDude> My parents used to tease me and say that if they were slightly more Hippie, they would have given me the 1st name of River
[21:20]  * issyl0 has boring names compared to you lot :P
[21:21] <issyl0> Lol
[21:21] <czajkowski> issyl0: it's not all it's cracked up to be, since I was tiny I've had to explain my name over here
[21:22] <issyl0> czajkowski: I have to spell my first name all the time.
[21:22] <AlanBell> http://famouspoetsandpoems.com/poets/t__s__eliot/poems/15121
[21:23] <issyl0> Who was the poet that wrote "Cats Sleep Anywhere"?  I used to know that poem off by heart when I was about 6.  As did I know all the words according to the pictures on each page of "The Very Hungry Caterpillar" when I was still in nappies, and I could count up to ten in French when I was three.  Good grief. :P
[21:23] <issyl0> Apparently... ;)
[21:25] <AlanBell> Eleanor Farjeon
[21:26] <pleia2> ssh dev
[21:26] <pleia2> gah
[21:26] <MichelleQ1> issyl0: You'd be surprised at how many times I've had to spell "Hall" for people.
[21:26] <AlanBell> and I don't find the rest of that hard to believe
[21:26] <pleia2> window_foucs--
[21:26] <pleia2> focus too
[21:26] <issyl0> Oh yes.
[21:26] <issyl0> pleia2: fail?
[21:26] <pleia2> issyl0: a bit :)
[21:26] <issyl0> :)
[21:26] <MichelleQ1> My favorite was "Dear Mrs. Hell,"
[21:26] <issyl0> MichelleQ1: lovely ;)
[21:26] <jussi> hehe
[21:27] <pleia2> about 5% of recruiters who email me call me Mr. Krumbach
[21:27] <issyl0> AlanBell: :)
[21:27] <issyl0> pleia2: do you sound unusally manly?
[21:27] <issyl0> unusually*
[21:27] <pleia2> issyl0: no, they're just tech recruiters and their templates always use Mr.
[21:27] <czajkowski> lol
[21:27]  * czajkowski hugs pleia2
[21:27] <issyl0> That wasn't meant in a nasty way :)
[21:27] <MichelleQ1> we usually have a rousing Abbott and Costello act when recruiters call ehre.
[21:27] <pleia2> :)
[21:28] <MichelleQ1> here, even
[21:28]  * pleia2 hugs
[21:28] <pleia2> makes them easy to weed out, if they can't even go to the trouble of reading my first name and adjusting the template they *really* aren't worth my time ;)
[21:29] <issyl0> That's a good system
[21:29] <MichelleQ1> Mike & I both have resumes in public arenas - and so we will randomly get a phone call for one or the other of us, and usually answered by the other of us, so we get a lot of really interesting gender-oriented hesitation
[21:29] <issyl0> pleia2: what do you do again?
[21:29] <pleia2> issyl0: linux sysadmin
[21:29] <issyl0> pleia2: oh yes.
[21:30] <issyl0> Btw, if anyone (preferably in the UK) wants any (remote) data entry/proofreading doing -> http://issyl0.co.uk/work.php :P
[21:30] <issyl0> I didn't just say that, honest.  ^_^
[21:30]  * issyl0 runs
[21:30] <issyl0> :P
[21:32] <issyl0> Oh dear, everything has gone quiet.
[22:07] <akgraner> Pendulum, ping...
[22:18] <Pendulum> akgraner: pong
[22:18] <akgraner> Pendulum, since you help with UWN can you join -news
[22:18] <akgraner> I've moved all UWN chatter to -news


[22:43] <mcphail> Gnudnik1: are you _sure_ the install was complete before you abandoned it?   I went to recovery mode and tried adding a root password and changing my regular password, it seemed to say everything was OK, but still wouldn't let me log in.  mcphail: I'm pretty sure it was finished, it said it was
[22:45] <myndzi> nm derp
[22:45] <myndzi> i was symlinked in and forgot it was one of those shared vmware folders
[22:45] <myndzi> it doesn't store permissions 'cause ntfs etc
[22:45] <RandomDude123> What is initrd?
[22:46] <RandomDude123> And how do I replace it and with what?
[22:46] <BlueEagle> !initrd
[22:46] <reisio> might be technically an "initramfs"
[22:46] <reisio> on Ubuntu
[22:46] <fishbait> i need help with a realtek 8111/8168B REV 03 nic it won't resolve but if i connect it to a router limited to 100mbps it resolves perfectly the router i use is running dd-wrt on a linksys e3000
[22:47] <reisio> try a search for: ubuntu replace plymouth background
[22:47] <Gnudnik1> I think I'll try installing 64 bit off of a DVD.  If that doesn't work, maybe Mint.  I'm normally a Debian guy, but I'm really jonesing for that 5 year LTS.
[22:47] <ki4ro> My update manager wants to install ¨Store music lens for unity¨ but I cannot install it...any ideas?
[22:48] <fishbait> i got the driver installed and lspci say r8168 kernel driver but r8169 kernel modules
[22:48] <RandomDude123> Okay, Wikipedia helped me, Now I need to replace it with another initrd, yes?
[22:48] <RandomDude123> Now, where do I get the unity one?
[22:49] <fishbait> no one?
[22:49] <OerHeks> ki4ro, 'cannot install it' what is the error or do you not see the lens?
[22:49] <reisio> RandomDude123: the default Ubuntu one is what you want, as opposed to the Xubuntu one
[22:49] <RandomDude123> Where do I find it?
[22:49] <reisio> RandomDude123: you could theoretically just copy it from another install, but that's probably not the most proper way
[22:49] <OerHeks> ki4ro, logout & login to activate any lens you install.
[22:49] <reisio> from another install/from a live image
[22:50] <Praxi> anyone know how to get  a networked canon c7000 working under ubuntu 11.10 x64?  can't seem to find any drivers for it.
[22:50] <reisio> fishbait: I'm a one
[22:50] <reisio> Praxi: doesn't canon release linux drivers themselves?
[22:50]  * reisio has a vague memory
[22:50] <RandomDude123> Okay, There is a folder, Yes?
[22:51] <Praxi> reisio, not for this one :(  Its some type of production copier
[22:51] <fishbait> i'm doing this from a laptop running windows
[22:52] <RandomDude123> Do I need to install my whole Ubuntu again?
[22:52] <fishbait> i installed r8168 drivers but now i need to get it to reslve dhcp and it appears to function if operating at 100mbps now how do i fix this blasted thing
[22:53] <reisio> Praxi: fun
[22:53] <Praxi> it has a dropdown for linux, but the driver you download is a windows exe hehe
[22:53] <RandomDude123> LOL, Using wine?
[22:54] <ki4ro> My update manager wants to install ¨Store music lens for unity¨ but I cannot install it...any ideas?
[22:54] <fishbait> i scoured the internet and gor r8168-8.031.00 and built from source
[22:54] <Mensch-Maschine> Hi there
[22:54] <reisio> Praxi: link?
[22:54] <|Long|> hi anyone here good with raid stuff?
[22:54] <mcphail> ki4ro: have you updated the package list?
[22:54] <RandomDude123> You want install it?
[22:54] <RandomDude123> You don't have to.
[22:54] <Gnudnik1> Third fresh install this afternoon, that is that legendary user-friendliness I've heard so much about.
[22:54] <xangua> what can i do to automatic change the sound output everytime i plug in/out the headphones with pulseaudio¿
[22:55] <ki4ro> mcphail: I believe so
[22:55] <Praxi> reisio http://usa.canon.com/cusa/support/office/color_imagerunner_advance/imagerunner_advance_c7055/imagerunner_advance_c7055?selectedName=DriversAndSoftware
[22:55] <fishbait> ki4ro go to terminal and enter "sudo telinit 6"
[22:55] <wil3> Please can someone help me with this - http://askubuntu.com/questions/149504/how-can-i-tell-if-my-hourly-cron-job-has-run - I am going completely crazy over it - task in /etc/cron.hourly isn't working :(
[22:55] <mcphail> ki4ro: did you click "check for updates" recently?
[22:55] <RandomDude123> initrd
[22:56] <RandomDude123> About the initrd*
[22:56] <RandomDude123> Is there a safer way to replace the xubuntu one?
[22:56] <Mensch-Maschine> Whenever my eth1 goes up, a route to <IP_ADDRESS> on this interface is added, anyone know how I could prevent that?
[22:57] <fishbait> ... wow does no one a few basic run level commands?
[22:57] <reisio> RandomDude123: it's not unsafe unless you do it wrong :)
[22:57] <reisio> no_one: answer him!
[22:57] <talas> |Long|: make your question more specific.. what kind of raid do you want? How many disks? and for what purpose (redundancy or performance)?
[22:57] <fishbait> i just told him what they told him earlier but in terminal form
[22:58] <reisio> told who what?
[22:59] <RandomDude123> Okay... so... I need instructions...:-D
[22:59] <ki4ro> Whoever gave me the telinit 6 command idea, it worked...thanks!
[22:59] <fishbait> earlier they told ki4ro to reboot to solve his problem he didn't
[22:59] <mcphail> wil3: try a line using explicit paths: "/bin/date > /home/william/date.test"
[22:59] <reisio> Praxi: sad :p
[22:59] <reisio> fishbait: so?
[22:59] <fishbait> for the rest read man init
[23:00] <reisio> are you like... ki4ro's personal blogger?
[23:00] <fishbait> nope i'm allergic to those who ask but don't follow
[23:00] <reisio> kay...
[23:01] <ki4ro> Didn´t mean to stir up things...sorry if I did
[23:01] <fishbait> i'm just surprised no one pointed out that i rehashed what someone already said
[23:01] <RandomDude123> So... how do I replace the initrd?
[23:01] <fishbait> runlevel 6 is used to reboot telinit 6 switches to runlevel 6
[23:02] <maximida> Hey guys I have a newbie question, I installed the xorg-edgers PPA but how do I actually install the closed source driver for my ATI chip?
[23:02] <RandomDude123> Where can I find the folder that contains it?
[23:02] <fishbait> i'm sorry if i sounded not nice
[23:02] <LordOfTime> maximida:  you'd have to download it and follow their installation instructions, i think
[23:03] <adamk> maximida: Just use jockey-gtk to install the driver.
[23:03] <mcphail> maximida: I don't think PPAs are supported here
[23:03] <adamk> Also, there's a good chance the proprietary driver will not work with the X server in the xorg-edgers PPA.
[23:03] <adamk> So you may have screwed yourself a bit there.
[23:03] <maximida> oh lawd
[23:03] <fishbait> how do i get the r8168 to resolve dhcp so i cAN connect to the net
[23:04] <wil3> Please can someone help me with this - http://askubuntu.com/questions/149504/how-can-i-tell-if-my-hourly-cron-job-has-run - I am going completely crazy over it - task in /etc/cron.hourly isn't working :(
[23:05] <mcphail> wil3: did you try what I posted above?
[23:05] <adamk> maximida: If the X server version is 1.12, the proprietary driver will not currently work.
[23:06] <fishbait> if someone can help me please say so i do not wish to flood the chat
[23:06] <RandomDude123> Anyone knows where can I find the Ubuntu initrd??
[23:06] <adamk> RandomDude123: Errr... /boot/
[23:07] <wil3> @Mcphail, I didn't see it - looking now
[23:07] <Mensch-Maschine> Can anyone help me with a newbie network question?
[23:07] <reisio> the exact one you're using will be listed in the menuentry in /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[23:07] <reisio> Mensch-Maschine: not until we can see it
[23:07] <curiousx> fishbait: paste: lsmod
[23:07] <ki4ro> Mensch-Maschine: Ask and then we ll know
[23:08] <Mensch-Maschine> As i was saying, whenever eth1 goes up, a route to <IP_ADDRESS> on this interface is added
[23:08] <Mensch-Maschine> How can I prevent this?
[23:08]  * malkauns smiles at his 41 days laptop uptime :)
[23:09] <wil3> @mcphail - good idea... tried/thought I used path for everything, didn't even think of that! I think hourly gets runned ay 17 past, so will let you know if it works... thanks! crossing fingers
[23:09] <eagle_eye> malkauns: nice...:))
[23:09] <reisio> Mensch-Maschine: you have two devices?
[23:09] <malkauns> 12.04 is so much more stable for me than previous releases
[23:09] <Chuck_Norris> for me too
[23:10] <mcphail> wil3: cron needs explicit paths or $PATH to be set
[23:10] <Mensch-Maschine> reisio: Two interfaces? Yes, eth0 and eth1, eth1 being LAN only
[23:10] <malkauns> unity crashes once in a while but that's easy to restart
[23:11] <fishbait> ok going to paste in a minute have to manuever between pcs
[23:11] <daze> if there is an application icon in /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/apps/whatever.svg and I put my modified icon in ~/.icons/hicolor/scalable/apps/whatever.svg, should my new Icon override the original (for the current user)? how does the icon resolver and hierarchy work? any links to read on? :)
[23:11] <RandomDude123> I am using...  initrd.img-3.2.0-24-generic ... This is the xubuntu one, right?
[23:11] <dade> ciao
[23:11] <reisio> RandomDude123: yup
[23:11] <joe3377> hey guys, anyone feel like talking about a little issue im having? ;-)
[23:12] <eagle_eye> !icons
[23:12] <maximida> hey guyshow do try the open source ATI drivers in 12.04?
[23:12] <ki4ro> joe3377: Won t know until you ask
[23:12] <adamk> maximida: That question makes no sense.
[23:12] <dade> list
[23:13] <glitsj16> RandomDude123: didn't follow your thread ... if you're trying to generate a new initrd try 'sudo update-initramfs -u' (see more examples in 'man update-initramfs')
[23:13] <ki4ro> Why do so many come here and ask to ask a question????
[23:13] <maximida> I want to try the open source drivers
[23:13] <joe3377> i have an ubuntu 12.04 server and connect to it via ssh, but i cant modify the sshd_config, not even as root, permissions are set aswell. what could be the reason?
[23:14] <wylde_> maximida: 'jockey-gtk'
[23:14] <eagle_eye> maximida: ??
[23:14] <RandomDude123> Glitsj16: I'm trying to replace the xubuntu one with an ubuntu one.
[23:14] <wylde_> maximida: ahh ignore me thenm
[23:14] <daze> eagle_eye: wasn't really what I was asking :) I want to override some icons that are set by theme, but don't want to overwrite the theme files (as they might get updated in the future by the package manager)
[23:14] <Loshki> ki4ro: because they're noobs. Noobs are welcome here, btw....
[23:14] <fishbait> ok here i go its long
[23:14] <fishbait> Module                  Size  Used by  r8168                 244911  0   rfcomm                 47604  0   bnep                   18281  2   bluetooth             180104  10 rfcomm,bnep  parport_pc             32866  0   ppdev                  17113  0   snd_hda_codec_hdmi     32474  1   gspca_pac207           13539  0   joydev                 17693  0   gspca_main             28366  1 gspca_pac207  videodev               98259  1 gs
[23:14] <adamk> maximida: They are installed by default, so what's the problem?
[23:14] <eagle_eye> !flood
[23:14] <maximida> ohh so ubuntu installs the open source drivers by default?
[23:15] <glitsj16> RandomDude123: have you tried 'sudo update-initramfs -u' yet and reboot when finished?
[23:15] <wylde_> maximida: yes, otherwise you wouldn't have anything on your screen....
[23:15] <RandomDude123> I will try.
[23:15] <fishbait> ok srry rather new http://paste.ubuntu.com/1036345/
[23:15] <maximida> I thought it would be using the basic drivers like vesa or mesa or whatever it's called
[23:15] <Mensch-Maschine> ki4ro: I know, right?  In case you needed it (you said you remembered the same issue): /usr/share/icons/Humanity/places/64
[23:18] <wil3> @mcphail - IT WORKED!!! :) - If you are on Stack Exchange / Ask Ubuntu, I'll mark as answer if you write there... Thanks so much!
[23:18] <fishbait> it works perfectly when connected to a router that doesn'
[23:18] <fishbait> doesn't support gigabit
[23:18] <zykotick9> menturi: nice!  glad you figured it out!
[23:18] <mcphail> wil3: my pleasure
[23:19] <Chuck_Norris> fishbait: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1958899
[23:20] <fishbait> ok but how do i remove the old drivers or do i just install those?
[23:20] <RandomDude123> Did not worked.
[23:20] <Chuck_Norris> fishbait: i think is all in the script
[23:21] <glitsj16> RandomDude123: any errors running that command ?
[23:21] <RandomDude123> Nope.
[23:21] <Chuck_Norris> fishbait: read the comments, it will work for sure
[23:21] <RandomDude123> Generated just fine, I think it generated a xubuntu one.
[23:22] <fishbait> ok i'll try that and report back i actually had the same exact problem on debian squeeze working from runlevel 2 no video driver >.>
[23:22] <joe3377> someone here want to help me? :o
[23:23] <RandomDude123> So when I log in I see the xubuntu log in and not The Ubuntu one.
[23:24] <glitsj16> RandomDude123: do you see an item to log into ubuntu when you log out ?
[23:24] <joe3377> someone here help me?
[23:24] <wylde_> RandomDude123: the login screen or the splash screen?
[23:24] <RandomDude123> No, I changed replaced xfce with unity.
[23:25] <RandomDude123> But it still shows me the xfce log in.
[23:25] <RandomDude123> Not the unity one.
[23:25] <wylde_> RandomDude123: 'sudo apt-get install lightdm' and when it asks choose lightdm
[23:25] <bairui> ok. solved. well, near enough. I used the compizconfig-settings tool to disable the floating desktop overlay when switching = no more having to press <esc> or <cr> after switching workspaces to clear the overlay; I also mapped my HUD to the CAPS key = no more interference on Alt now.
[23:25] <RandomDude123> Okay.
[23:26] <bairui> now all i need is to find out how to get ~/.xinitrc working in unity...
[23:26] <joe3377> someone here help me? i have a problem with openssh
[23:26] <wylde_> !ask | joe3377
[23:26] <zykotick9> bairui: i doubt .xinitrc will work if you are using a DM BTW
[23:26] <joe3377> !pattience
[23:26] <joe3377> !pattience
[23:26] <bairui> zykotick9: it isn't at the moment; so alternatives?
[23:26] <joe3377> !patience
[23:26] <FloodBot1> joe3377: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:27] <zykotick9> bairui: ? sorry - don't know.
[23:27] <bairui> heh, np. i'll find something :) but now... it's time to go to work.
[23:27] <joe3377> i have an ubuntu 12.04 server and connect to it via ssh, but i cant modify the sshd_config, not even as root, permissions are set aswell. what could be the reason?
[23:28] <RandomDude123> It says I already have lightdm.
[23:28] <adamk> joe3377: So what happens when you try to modify sshd_config as root?
[23:28] <mcphail> joe3377: what happens when you try to edit it? What sequence of commands are you using?
[23:29] <reisio> RandomDude123: IIRC there is an image used by plymouth inside your initrd
[23:29] <wylde_> RandomDude123: good, the 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm' and choose lightdm as the default display manager
[23:29] <reisio> RandomDude123: a few images, probably :D
[23:29] <RandomDude123> Okay.
[23:29] <wylde_> the=then
[23:30] <joe3377> adamk and mcphail: i connect to ssh as root. i want edit sshd_config to allow other users than root. i open file with /nano sshd_config . then i can read and edit the file but i cant save ("no permission") i do that as root and the permissions are set like the other files in the folder, which i can modify.
[23:32] <fishbait> gonna try later bye!
[23:32] <joe3377> could the file be locked by another process, like it happens in windows? the problem persists after rebooting server
[23:32] <suprbly> can someone help me with a flash issue?
[23:32] <ki4ro> supb
[23:33] <ki4ro> suprbly: Won t know until you ask us the question
[23:33] <adamk> joe3377: No, that's not the problem.  Unfortunately, I don't know what would be causing that.  I also don't know why sshd_config would need to be edited to allow other users than root to login.
[23:33] <suprbly> well i have it insatalled but it still will not play
[23:33] <suprbly> the play button is there i click it and nothing
[23:34] <wylde_> suprbly: have you restarted your browser since installing it?
[23:34] <suprbly> yes
[23:35] <Mensch-Maschine> joe3377: You can always check which file are open by which process with lsof
[23:35] <mcphail> joe3377: are you typing "sudo nano /etc/ssh/sshd_config"?
[23:35] <suprbly> i think i may have fixed it
[23:36] <suprbly> or not :(
[23:37] <suprbly> wait wait its slowly installing
[23:38] <suprbly> come on firefox whip those rats harder
[23:38] <NBG757> you on about ?
[23:38] <scott_> hello, im dalton from computer tech services and i need help with a ubuntu instalation!
[23:38] <joe3377> mcphail: yes i am
[23:39] <mcphail> joe3377: pastebin the output of "mount"
[23:40] <Steve132> I'm using the official google-chrome from the google-chrome ppa
[23:40] <Steve132> and suddenly the builtin flash player just seems to have disappeared.  Its not even showing up as a plugin in the plugins menu.  What can I do?
[23:40] <joe3377> mcphail: http://pastebin.com/8bhq5v9n
[23:41] <mcphail> Steve132: ppas are not supported here
[23:41] <nutty42> I've got a question about 12.10 "Quantal", my distro apparently automatically updated to it. Does anyone have any idea how it could have happened? I installed a few -dev packages today, but other than that I have no idea how it happened. Ideas?
[23:41] <zykotick9> Steve132: (don't reply to me) but i also think the google-chrome is a repository, not a PPA
[23:42] <Jordan_U> How can I add a label to a line in Dia? I'm making a flow chart with conditionals and I need to label the arrows with "yes" or "no".
[23:42] <csenger41> hello :)
[23:43] <csenger41> someone please help me what file does this command edits:
[23:43] <csenger41> xfconf-query -c xfwm4 -p /general/button_layout -s "CMH|O"
[23:43] <Jordan_U> nutty42: Ubuntu will not automatically upgrade to a new version of Ubuntu, certainly not to a development version.
[23:44] <nutty42> hmm... i wonder what I did.
[23:44] <Jordan_U> nutty42: Why do you think you're running Ubuntu 12.10?
[23:44] <haruband> can i use framebuffer in vmware guest? What should i do for this?
[23:44] <haruband> I dont want to use x
[23:45] <joe3377> mensch-maschine: how can i display information about a specific file? list is too big like that, cant be displayed
[23:45] <nutty42> Jordan_U: the TTYs list 12.10 Quantal when I login.. in the Details section of the System Settings it does still list "12.04" however.
[23:46] <Mensch-Maschine> joe3377: lsof | grep sshd should reduce it; although I doubt that is the issue
[23:46] <Jordan_U> nutty42: Can you pastebin the output of "lsb_release -a"?
[23:47] <michaeljones> I can no longer resize windows from the bottom left and bottom right corners
[23:47] <michaeljones> is this a new feature in ubuntu 12?
[23:47] <mcphail> joe3377: what is the output of "ls -l /etc/ssh/ssh*"?
[23:47] <nutty42> Jordan_U: http://pastebin.com/0DQfhejs
[23:47] <NBG757> http : //pastebin
[23:47] <csenger41> anyone could help me pls?
[23:48] <Merbo> Oop
[23:48] <Merbo> Implies acceptance of terms
[23:48] <Merbo> NOPE
[23:48] <Jordan_U> nutty42: Could you pastebin the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list?
[23:48] <glitsj16> csenger41: ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfwm4.xml seems to fit that bill
[23:49] <joe3377> mcphail: http://pastebin.com/TCCinrZ4
[23:49] <csenger41> glitsj16: thanks, checking
[23:50] <nutty42> Jordan_U: http://pastebin.com/tkKrTb9w
[23:51] <joe3377> mensch-maschine: when i do that i get http://pastebin.com/XhMBLExX a lot of output
[23:52] <mcphail> joe3377: there doesn't appear to be anything wrong with your permissions...
[23:52] <jrkirby> I'm trying to install 12.04 and it won't boot/install
[23:52] <jrkirby> i've tried using USB and CD
[23:52] <joe3377> mcphail: i know :-( i think it stopped working after upgrading from 10.04 to 12.04
[23:53] <jrkirby> I've even verified my download using transmission bittorrent
[23:53] <Jordan_U> nutty42: Odd, that looks correct (except for the few third party repos setup for oneiric).
[23:53] <Jordan_U> nutty42: What is the contents of /etc/issue ?
[23:53] <Mensch-Maschine> joe3377: lsof | grep sshd_config then
[23:53] <nutty42> Jordan_U: Ubuntu quantal (development branch) \n \l
[23:54] <Jordan_U> jrkirby: What happens when you try to boot from the CD? How did you burn the CD?
[23:54] <Mensch-Maschine> joe3377: Although the file does not appear in the outpout anyway
[23:54] <joe3377> yeah
[23:54] <Jordan_U> nutty42: Can you pastebin the outptu of "apt-cache policy base-files"?
[23:54] <nutty42> Jordan_U: I know it seems pretty strange to me considering I hadn't done anything manually
[23:54] <csenger41> glitsj16: thank you very much, I guess it is the file I'm looking for :)
[23:54] <jrkirby> it gives me a splash screen for 5 seconds and shows me a full screen terminal that doesn't respond to anything
[23:55] <glitsj16> csenger41: no trouble
[23:55] <mcphail> joe3377: Completely ignorant here - could this be a SELinux issue or similar?
[23:55] <Mitchell92> I need some help... I want to run world of warcraft on Ubuntu. Would it run good under WINE, or should I use Parallels Desktop and install it in a Windows VM?
[23:55] <nutty42> Jordan_U: http://pastebin.com/Y6t0Fure
[23:55] <csenger41> glitsj16: I hope this info will help making it possible to move window buttons in Chromium compact mode in XFCE too
[23:56] <wylde_> !nomodeset > jkirby
[23:56] <arfbtwn> Mitchell92, I'm pretty sure WoW works ok with wine, http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=1922
[23:56] <Jonii_> If I wanted to show how much I appreciate Ubuntu and all the community that made it possible, what would you suggest?
[23:57] <Mitchell92> thanks.
[23:57] <joe3377> mcphail: i don't know about selinux i fear. i asked my provider if the file is locked in anyway, he said no it isn't. how could i find out if it had something to do with it?
[23:57] <NBG757> mesans tunning out of ram, or running
[23:57] <Jordan_U> nutty42: Does "sudo apt-get install --reinstall base-files" change the contents of /etc/issue ?
[23:57] <mcphail> joe3377: can you edit it with a different editor?
[23:57] <NBG757> does that even mean ?
[23:58] <glitsj16> csenger41: never tried that specific mode, very rarely running chrome .. hope it helps
[23:58] <JustNull> How could i controll all rights of a user? I'm setting up a user on a public computer and I don't want them to be able to change any privacy settings in the OS or webbrowser
[23:58] <csgeek> Jonii_:  donate $$ or contribute back with code/ art/ documentation and such?
[23:58] <csenger41> gtg now, bye everyone :)
[23:58] <csenger41> and thanks again glitsj16
[23:59] <nutty42> Jordan_U: no it did not change
[23:59] <NBG757> but not fun
[23:59] <wylde_> !contribute | Jonii_
[23:59] <joe3377> mcphail: i doubt it, i can't delete the file either. but let me try.. i now used vi, which always makes me rage since i dont manage to use it ;-) it says E21: Cannot make changes, 'modifiable' is off
[23:59] <Jonii_> csgeek: how to contribute? I'm trying to learn how to program once again, Python made that spark again
[23:59] <jrkirby> has anyone ever heard of 12.04 not installing past the splash screen?


[06:45] <thomi> Hi - is launchpad broken? I'm getting lots of timeouts, sometimes with AJAX UI controls (subscribing to a bug email), and now trying to register a merge proposal. OOPS ID 2033AY24
[06:47] <wgrant> thomi: That OOPS is a known issue with Launchpad scanning the branch at the same time as you're creating the merge proposal, causing some lock contention.
[06:47] <wgrant> Do you have OOPS IDs for the other timeouts?
[06:48] <wgrant> I see two other OOPSes from you today/
[06:48] <wgrant> Where you subscribing to a bug that was linked to the branch?
[06:49] <wgrant> Ah, yes.
[06:50] <wgrant> All those OOPSes were caused by the branch scan taking a very long time...
[06:50] <wgrant> Let me see.
[06:52] <EyesIsMine> I just took a look at the buidlogs for my PPA, it's re-installing GCC
[06:52] <EyesIsMine> whythehell
[06:52] <wgrant> EyesIsMine: Ubuntu probably released an update.
[06:53] <EyesIsMine> It's done that twice now
[06:53] <wgrant> Hm?
[06:53] <wgrant> Is this oneiric?
[06:56] <thomi> ok
[06:56] <thomi> wgrant: the AJAX control timeout doesn't show the user an OOPS ID... either that or I missed it somehow
[06:57] <wgrant> thomi: Oh, did it give you that thoroughly broken red error box with a monospaced Launchpad error page?
[06:57] <thomi> wgrant: yup, that's the one
[06:58] <wgrant> Yay.
[06:58] <thomi> it's also hidden behind the AJAX control, so you have to dismiss the control to see the error message :)
[06:58] <wgrant> Yes.
[06:58] <wgrant> So, not entirely sure what happened here. But somehow the branch scanner took 5 minutes to scan 11 branches.
[06:59] <thomi> ok, no worries
[06:59] <wgrant> And yours in particular took a while to scan, during which time it held locks, which it is not meant to do.
[06:59] <wgrant> We have bugs for this.
[06:59] <EyesIsMine|iPod> Still does it Natty
[06:59] <thomi> cool, as long as someone knows about it ;)
[06:59] <wgrant> EyesIsMine: Do you have a link to a build that shows this?
[07:01] <EyesIsMine|iPod> Yas
[07:02] <EyesIsMine|iPod> The build failed, even though I did bzr launchpad-login
[07:02] <EyesIsMine|iPod> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/75980326/buildlog.txt.gz
[07:03] <wgrant> That doesn't show gcc being reinstalled.
[07:04] <wgrant> https://code.launchpad.net/~otherthing6/wiseos/master
[07:04] <wgrant> "This branch has not been imported yet."
[07:05] <EyesIsMine|iPod> Hm
[07:05] <wgrant> Hm, you are importing another linux-2.6 mirror?
[07:05] <EyesIsMine|iPod> No
[08:05] <frenkel> what am I doing wrong when uploading to a ppa and launchpad sends me emails with "Could not find person or team named ''"
[08:06] <maalac> hi
[08:08] <bigjools> frenkel: your upload path is wrong
[08:08] <bigjools> should be: ~<person>[/ppa_name]/<distro>[/distroseries]
[08:09] <frenkel> the documentation is just saying "dput ppa:yourlaunchpadid/yourppa" source.changes
[08:09] <bigjools> that will work too
[08:09] <frenkel> well, apparently not
[08:09] <bigjools> then yourlaunchpadid is wrong
[08:10] <frenkel> this is the ppa: https://launchpad.net/~frankgroeneveld/+archive/libapache2-mod-ruid2
[08:10] <frenkel> on that page it says: dput ppa:frankgroeneveld/libapache2-mod-ruid2 <source.changes>
[08:10] <frenkel> which i run, which fails
[08:10] <wgrant> Sounds like you have a custom, broken dput.cf.
[08:11] <wgrant> Check /etc/dput.cf and ~/.dput.cf for ppa entries.
[08:11] <frenkel> hmm, weird, i now get an accepted mail
[08:11] <frenkel> so one of my many attempts did succeed :)
[08:11] <bigjools> you either had a mistyped "yourlaunchpadid" or a custom dput.cf
[08:11] <frenkel> ah, i was typing ppa:// most of the time
[08:11] <frenkel> should be without slashes?
[08:11] <bigjools> right
[08:12] <frenkel> weird error message
[08:12] <wgrant> Your local dput converts that path to ~//
[08:12] <frenkel> ah ok
[08:12] <frenkel> well, thanks a lot! :)
[08:15] <robert_ancell> are the bzr errors in oneiric known?
[08:16] <seb128> robert_ancell, there is a bug on launchpad against bzr matching your error
[08:16] <seb128> robert_ancell, did you give details on the channel?
[08:17] <robert_ancell> seb128, no, what is the bug #?
[08:17] <seb128> they suggest use fetch-all-records as a workaround
[08:17] <seb128> robert_ancell, bug #785029
[08:19] <seb128> robert_ancell, bug include a workaround that I didn't try yet
[08:19] <seb128> but seems it worked for lool
[08:21] <wgrant> seb128, robert_ancell: #bzr may be more helpful
[08:22] <robert_ancell> wgrant, ta
[08:22] <seb128> wgrant, yeah, I was not sure if that was a lp or bzr issue at first
[10:12] <Laney> How are package set creation / per-package uploader rights granted for Ubuntu currently? The distribution owner?
[10:12] <Laney> s/rights/modification rights/
[10:13] <bigjools> the owner, yes
[10:14] <Laney> Would it be simple to change that? I think we'd like it to be ~ubuntu-archive + ~developer-membership-board (or some team containing the two)
[10:15]  * Laney is asking the TB about this currently
[10:17] <wgrant> Actually, it's possible some stuff is still hardcoded to the TB.
[10:17] <wgrant> I would really like to work out how to clean this up :)
[10:18] <wgrant> It is presently messy and full of celebrities :(
[10:21] <Laney> :'(
[10:22] <wgrant> So, I guess talk to the TB and file a bug with the results.
[10:22] <Daviey> Laney: IIRC cjwatson said he was still happy to take actions for changes to PPU and package sets.
[10:22] <wgrant> And we will work out what should be done.
[10:23] <Laney> Daviey: I'm sure. But it would be better for the permissions to be correct.
[10:24] <Laney> for example I asked about creating a bzr set 3 weeks ago and we're still waiting
[10:24] <Laney> I could have just done it if we had the permissions.
[10:24] <Daviey> ah
[10:26] <bigjools> well it should always be the owner, it's just a case of who you make the owner
[10:29] <czajkowski> aloha
[10:36] <pfarrell> would it be possible to make the 'list of merge requests' page for a project more easily accessible? at the minute I have to go project -> code -> list of merge requests. and on a page for a particular merge request, there's no link back to the list of all merge requests for this project, which would be really useful
[10:47] <czajkowski> mrevell: ping
[10:48] <mrevell> hey czajkowski
[11:14] <exarkun> When someone modifies a bug that I'm subscribed to and a team I'm on is subscribed to, I get two notifications.
[11:19] <lifeless> exarkun: this happens if the team has an external contact address
[11:19] <lifeless> exarkun: does the team in question have an external contact address ?
[11:19] <exarkun> This team doesn't have an external contact address
[11:19] <exarkun> It's divmod-dev
[11:19] <lifeless> ok, thats strange.
[11:19] <lifeless> which bug ?
[11:20] <exarkun> https://bugs.launchpad.net/nevow/+bug/811792 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/nevow/+bug/805734
[11:21] <lifeless> exarkun: on the 792 bug you don't appear subscribed
[11:22] <exarkun> Oh, sorry.  Not that one.  Just the other one.
[11:23] <lifeless> ok, that has an external contact address - which is a mailing list.
[11:23] <lifeless> this is probably a bug, possibly a regression, in the new subscription code.
[11:23] <exarkun> A launchpad mailing list is a funny kind of "external" thing
[11:24] <lifeless> indeed.
[11:24] <lifeless> please file it on https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+filebug ?
[11:24] <exarkun> Okay.
[11:24] <wgrant> I don't think it's a regression.
[11:24] <exarkun> I found https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/316047 a minute ago though, is that the same?
[11:25] <lifeless> exarkun: no
[11:25] <lifeless> thats the regular external case
[11:25] <lifeless> erm
[11:25] <lifeless> maybe
[11:25] <lifeless> I dunno
[11:25] <wgrant> It is the same thing.
[11:25] <wgrant> Unless you count LP mailing lists as special.
[11:25] <lifeless> I think this may have been misdiagnosed
[11:25] <exarkun> Well, Launchpad could know who is on one of its own mailing lists.
[11:26] <lifeless> I think sinzui thought it was referring to external lists
[11:26] <wgrant> exarkun: It could, but making that behaviour a special case seems a bit... ew.
[11:26] <wgrant> I don't think that team notifications ever make sense.
[11:26] <lifeless> wgrant: actually, that bug is about external lists
[11:27] <lifeless> wgrant: because lp hosted lists do not have 'set the contact address' facility, its overridden automatically, isn't it ?
[11:27] <exarkun> A "changes to bugs in your project" mailing list is a very common feature of issue trackers.
[11:27] <wgrant> lifeless: Not necessarily.
[11:27] <lifeless> exarkun: please file a new bug
[11:27] <wgrant> lifeless: I don't think.
[11:28] <lifeless> exarkun: we may end up duping it.
[11:28] <wgrant> exarkun: But I think that's because most don't provide a way to easily subscribe to all bugs.
[11:28] <exarkun> wgrant: Launchpad doesn't provide that. :)
[11:29] <wgrant> exarkun: Oh?
[11:29] <exarkun> I say that because I've used Launchpad for 6 years and I have no idea how to do it.
[11:29] <wgrant> https://launchpad.net/launchpad
[11:29] <wgrant> Right hand side.
[11:29] <wgrant> "Subscribe to bug mail"
[11:30] <wgrant> The UI is possibly even slightly better than most of the rest of LP.
[11:30] <exarkun> That's neat.  I suspect plenty of people aren't aware of it though.
[11:30] <exarkun> Perhaps because it gets lost in the noise of the rest of the LP UI.
[11:33] <nigelb> Hi, I just noticed this user replying the same thing to about 3 bugs now. I suspect vacation responder. Can we do something about it? https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz/+bug/111939/comments/31
[11:35] <exarkun> lifeless: I can't file the bug.
[11:35] <exarkun> When I "Submit Bug Report" I am sent back to the duplicate check page, when I say "no it is not a duplicate" again I get the bug report form back with "There is 1 error.", "Cannot upload empty file."
[11:36] <lifeless> !!!
[11:36] <exarkun> Maybe it's because of bad browser error reporting on file permissions, but the Launchpad behavior also seems wrong
[11:36] <lifeless> exarkun: what browser ?
[11:36] <exarkun> Eh yea, after I make the attachment readable it works
[11:37] <exarkun> some version of Chrome
[11:37] <nigelb> Don't give lifeless a heart attack like that ;)
[11:37] <exarkun> 11.0.696.16 dev apparently
[11:38] <lifeless> ok, back tomorrow :)
[11:38] <exarkun> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/816373
[11:49] <jrk> hi, could someone remove marcus haslam from bug 124406 or set notify him that he's spamming with notification (he's from Canonical)
[11:52]  * czajkowski hugs mrevell
[11:52] <czajkowski> lifeless: its very odd seeing you early in the morning and late at night do you actually sleep
[11:53] <mrevell> czajkowski, He won an "award" (i.e. a round of applause in his absence) for never sleeping, in Dublin.
[11:53] <mrevell> :)
[11:54] <czajkowski> mrevell: to be fair there are worse places to never go to sleep
[11:54] <czajkowski> however I can never see myself back there living
[11:54] <czajkowski> it really is a tourist city where as living in london I don't feel like a tourist, I feel lost a lot but not the same as in Dublin
[11:54] <lifeless> czajkowski: I wasn't in dublin :)
[11:55] <czajkowski> heh
[11:57] <geser> jrk: sladen and StevenK are on it
[12:29] <jrk> geser: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/124406/comments/334 e.g.
[12:31] <geser> jrk: sladen and StevenK are working on removing those comments again
[12:31] <sladen> jrk: on it, but I've just found a bug in Launchpadlib first!
[12:32] <jrk> geser: ok, thanks - just understood your comment differently
[12:33] <sladen> jrk: however, I'm working on the basis that I (being in the same team) have got all of Marcus' bounces
[12:34] <sladen> jrk: however, if you also have a list of bugs that you've seen, I can run over those too
[12:58] <cjwatson> Hi.  I've screwed up by creating a packageset (https://api.launchpad.net/1.0/package-sets/oneiric/bzr) and getting the owner wrong (~ubuntu-bzr-dev rather than ~developer-membership-board).  Unfortunately owner is a read-only attribute on packagesets.  Can anyone help me change this?
[12:58] <cjwatson> I've only just created the packageset in question so I'd be fine if this involved deleting and recreating it, but I don't seem to be able to do that myself either.
[13:07] <geser> cjwatson: IIRC I needed a losa to change the owner (to fix the data after that bug with the package set ownership in new series). I'm not sure anymore if even some SQL was needed.
[13:09] <cjwatson> LOSA ping: can somebody change the owner of https://api.launchpad.net/1.0/package-sets/oneiric/bzr (just created by me) to developer-membership-board?
[13:12] <mthaddon> cjwatson: checking
[13:13] <mthaddon> gmb: how would I change that? ^
[13:13] <gmb> Eee, blimey.
[13:13]  * gmb looks
[13:14] <gmb> mthaddon, cjwatson I haven't a clue. bigjools or one of his former underlings may know.
[13:16] <geser> mthaddon, gmb: see https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/154334 for a similar case. It also includes the needed SQL
[13:17] <mthaddon> gmb: we'll need a request on https://wiki.canonical.com/InformationInfrastructure/OSA/RequestLogging/LP/SQL if it needs custom SQL pls
[13:18] <gmb> mthaddon: Okay. Let me work out WTH actually needs to happen and I'll add one as appropriate. Will ping when done.
[13:19] <cjwatson> sorry for the trouble
[13:19] <mthaddon> thx gmb
[13:19] <gmb> cjwatson: No worries. It would help if we actually knew how to use this behemoth we call Launchpad ;)
[13:20] <gmb> geser: Thanks for the tip.
[13:20] <cjwatson> and .owner should probably be writable by *somebody*
[13:27] <bigjools> cjwatson: out of interest, why do you need to change the owner?
[13:29] <cjwatson> bigjools: because developer-membership-board is the team that should be able to administer the contents of that package set; ubuntu-bzr-dev should not be able to grant themselves new packages they can upload
[13:30] <bigjools> cjwatson: ah right, I didn't scroll back far enough
[13:33] <cr3> should this page be updated to mention beta testers should use the edge.launchpad.net as service-root with lynx, in accordance with bug #586908 (won't fix): https://help.launchpad.net/API/EndUserHints
[13:36] <maxb> cr3: Well, edge.launchpad.net is very deprecated, so probably not
[13:36] <cr3> maxb: it doesn't work otherwise though, so I think "won't fix" should be reconsidered
[13:37] <cr3> oh wait, the bug does mention to use code.launchpad.net instead of edge... I'll have to test that
[13:48] <cr3> https://api.code.launchpad.net/ does not work as a service root when using launchpadlib, https://api.edge.launchpad.net/ still seems to be the only valid workaround. I updated the bug accordingly
[13:50] <tsimpson> cr3: the service root should be api.launchpad.net (no code. or anything else)
[13:50] <cr3> tsimpson: well, what should be doesn't work for me in lynx even with gary's workaround: REFERER_WITH_QUERY:PARTIAL
[13:51] <cr3> tsimpson: so, if what you describe is the desired behavior, I don't think that bug 586908 should be set to won't fix
[13:52] <gmb> mthaddon: I've added a request to https://wiki.canonical.com/InformationInfrastructure/OSA/RequestLogging/LP/SQL for cjwatson's problem above.
[13:52] <mthaddon> gmb: k, lemme take a look
[13:53] <mthaddon> gmb: right... so it needs approval by one of the usual suspects (team/squad lead)
[13:53] <gmb> k.
[13:53] <gmb> mthaddon: I shall summon Gary.
[13:54] <tsimpson> cr3: it looks like the Won't Fix is due to lynx being non-standards compliment (just skimming the comments)
[13:54] <mthaddon> gmb: also, Estimated Output would surely be "UPDATE 1" or something?
[13:54] <gmb> Oh, fair point.
[13:59] <cr3> tsimpson: in that case, maybe help.launchpad.net should be updated because it currently mentions: lynx is the text-based browser supported by Canonical Launchpad developers.
[13:59] <cr3> tsimpson: I don't think it can be both ways, it can't be supported and not work :)
[14:00] <tsimpson> cr3: probably yes it should be updated, besides w3m is the default text-browser iirc
[14:01] <cr3> tsimpson: indeed it was according to my experience, but I can't submit the form in w3m because the "Continue" button is not clickable in text mode
[14:01] <tsimpson> cr3: what do you mean? (I just logged in from w3m to test, and it works for me)
[14:02] <cr3> tsimpson: I can't seem to tab to the "Continue" link, it just appears as plain text to me
[14:04] <cjwatson> gmb: wah, that SQL is wrong
[14:04] <gmb> c
[14:04] <gmb> +-
[14:04] <cjwatson> gmb: that's for the last problem, which is the same structure but not the same data
[14:04] <gmb> cjwatson: Yeah, seems we've had wiki stompage
[14:04] <tsimpson> cr3: it works for me...
[14:04] <gmb> Hang on.
[14:05] <cjwatson> UPDATE packageset SET owner = (SELECT id FROM person WHERE name = 'developer-membership-board') WHERE name = 'bzr' AND distroseries = (SELECT id FROM distroseries WHERE name='oneiric');
[14:05] <cjwatson> I think
[14:05] <cr3> tsimpson: I'm running w3m in lucid (ec2 instance), I'd be surprised it really changed that much since then
[14:05] <tsimpson> cr3: I'm running w3m in lucid too
[14:05] <gmb> cjwatson: Yes, I've updated the SQL (again); please double-check that it's showing right for you now.
[14:06] <cjwatson> yup
[14:06] <gmb> Cool
[14:06] <cr3> tsimpson: weird, I'll try again once my current launchpadlib process is done
[14:06] <cjwatson> assuming that IN (single element list) works; my SQL sucks
[14:18] <gmb> mthaddon: gary has approved that query now, after some revisions.
[14:18] <gmb> cjwatson: It does work, but I fixed it anyway.
[14:18] <mthaddon> gmb: ok - runinng now
[14:18] <mthaddon> er, speling
[14:19] <mthaddon> and done
[14:20] <gmb> Thanks
[14:20] <cjwatson> mthaddon,gmb: confirmed.  thanks!
[14:22] <mthaddon> k
[15:08] <sinzui> matsubara, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/652469/
[17:08] <lag> How do I un-"Status tracked in Trunk" a bug?
[17:24] <james_w> lag, "Won't Fix" it I believe
[17:24] <james_w> odd as it sounds
[17:24] <james_w> I don't know if that works for trunk though
[17:25]  * tumbleweed wishes I'd known that before now
[17:52] <kamal> hi launchpad admins ...  I need the size limit of one of my PPA's to be increased please (4GB should be fine):  https://launchpad.net/~kamalmostafa/+archive/linux-kamal-mjgbacklight
[20:32] <bdmurray> If any lp-dev wants to see an ugly error message try to mark bug 261523 as a dup of bug 424857


[05:38] <basilarchia> alkisg, thanks! I'll try those. (I think I will still have to build from the AMD dev tree head to get HDMI sound to work)
[05:38] <basilarchia> it's a sad state of affairs that no one can install linux on pretty much any machine sold at target, best buy, costco, etc and not even have sound
[05:40] <basilarchia> (this is not a complaint, I understand and agree with the bocking of the kernel merge. it's just unfortunate. anyway, that is water under the damn. it seems to have been worked out)
[06:02] <basilarchia> alkisg, thanks. the 4.15.0-041500rc2-generic booted ok. still no HDMI sound even with amdgpu.dc=1 but well, that could be anything still being wrong. maybe the files in /lib/firmware/
[07:38] <alkisg> basilarchia: did you also install the -extra package that has all the modules?
[07:38] <alkisg> There are two packaging methods in the mainline ppa, first: one smaller kernel e.g. 20 mb and an extra of e.g. another 20 mb,
[07:38] <alkisg> and second: one big kernel of e.g. 40 mb
[07:39] <alkisg> Check you package size...
[08:07] <basilarchia> alkisg, there isn't an -extra package in http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.15-rc2/
[08:08] <basilarchia> the kernel boots, video works, machine appears to be fine, it's just still not able to do sound over HDMI
[08:08] <basilarchia> I'm trying on a different box that has a slightly different AMD video card
[08:09] <diogenes_> basilarchia, did you look in pavucontrol?
[08:09] <basilarchia> nope, never heard of it. I'll google it
[08:10] <basilarchia> ah, ya, there were some threads about pulseaudio working in some case
[08:10] <diogenes_> basilarchia, install pavucontrol
[08:10] <basilarchia> cases. but asound -l isn't showing the HDMI port I don't think.
[08:10] <diogenes_> open it and go to configure tab
[08:10] <basilarchia> I'll give it a shot.
[08:12] <basilarchia> well, it looks like it's kinda just showing the same information you can see with alsamixer or /dev/snd/ or asound -l
[08:12] <basilarchia> the issue here I think is that all newer AMD video cards don't work with HDMI sound out
[08:13] <basilarchia> I bought like 10 different boxes from target, bestbuy, costco, etc. none of them work
[08:13] <basilarchia> well, except for the one with an intel GPU. that one works great
[08:13] <basilarchia> also, google chrome doesn't support 3D acceleration direction, but firefox does, but that is another matter all together
[08:14] <basilarchia> I'm pretty sure I need the right kernel here
[08:14] <basilarchia> the good thing is I have a shit ton of different boxes to try
[08:16] <basilarchia> diogenes_, well, there is a configuration section in pavucontrol
[08:16] <basilarchia> the tab was hidden by the default display size of the window
[08:16] <basilarchia> it has more HDMI options perhaps (?)
[08:16] <alkisg> basilarchia: yeah that's the big, single type image that includes all the modules
[08:17] <basilarchia> they must not be building it for mainline-ppa
[08:17] <alkisg> I've heard about amd upstreaming hdmi sound support for some cards recently
[08:17] <alkisg> Did you also try the -tip one?
[08:18] <alkisg> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/daily/current/
[08:18] <basilarchia> alkisg, ya, HDMI sound support is supposedly working in the AMD kernel dev's tree
[08:18] <diogenes_> basilarchia, that's one of the reasons it is not advisable to buy AMD chips if you intend to run linux, best config for linux is intel and nvidia
[08:18] <basilarchia> git://people.freedesktop.org/~agd5f/linux
[08:18] <basilarchia> fuck nvidia. those worthless cocksuckers can rot in hell
[08:18] <alkisg> +1, but not with that wording :P
[08:18] <basilarchia> AMD is doing totally free drivers now. (CEO)
[08:19] <basilarchia> (CEO has proclaimed it)
[08:19] <diogenes_> hehe which don't work
[08:19] <basilarchia> they are _going_ to work
[08:19] <basilarchia> the point is AMD is doing it, nvidia is never going to do it
[08:20] <basilarchia> so, no, I disaggree completely. I've waited 20 damn years for AMD or nvidia to do the right thing here. AMD is finally doing it
[08:21] <basilarchia> so ya, I'll build the upstream kernels. someone else will need to figure out why google chrome doesn't hook into mesa correctly
[08:21]  * alkisg prefers intel wherever he can; amd only for kids doing dual boot windows gaming + linux for work; nvidia => nah
[08:21] <diogenes_> ok then let's wait for another half of our super short life until amd gets them working and when it finally does, there will be no us, is that better? I don't agrree, I want to live and enjoy my computing now, today, that's why I have to choose what works now
[08:22] <basilarchia> steam games are working well, actually, all these AMD boxes are working well
[08:22] <basilarchia> and the AMD video bug on boot works on this mainline-ppa kernel with amdgpu.dc=1 enabled
[08:22] <basilarchia> so it seems like it's more or less fixed for god
[08:22] <basilarchia> good
[08:22] <alkisg> What's that video bug?
[08:23] <basilarchia> kernel messages / display get's corrupted on boot at 4K resolution
[08:23] <basilarchia> probably other resolutions too but I only really have 4K monitors right now to test on
[08:23] <basilarchia> and ya, yes, on almost every AMD card that is being sold
[08:24] <basilarchia> which makes giving people ubuntu-mate.org pretty useless unfortunately until this is fixed out of the box
[08:24] <basilarchia> which should be easy enough now that all the heavy lifting has been done by the kernel guys
[08:24] <alkisg> Hehe, I'm glad that I only have old cards around :D
[08:25] <basilarchia> it does make things easier indeed
[08:25] <basilarchia> the purism librem 15 laptop works flawlessly
[08:28] <basilarchia> diogenes_, I'm totally with you man on the practical nature of using nvidia to get 3D working in the past, that is _NO LONGER THE CASE_
[08:29] <basilarchia> these AMD drivers totally rock. I'm switching absolutely everything over
[08:29] <basilarchia> these machines are running untainted kernels with full 3D support
[08:29] <basilarchia> the only remaining issue for me is the HDMI sound & google chrome not find it. both those are more or less easily fixable.
[08:30] <basilarchia> and I can use firefox for webgl in the meantime anyway
[08:30] <diogenes_> basilarchia, whenever I'll see a system76 with amd I'll buy it, it will mean the full support has finally arrived
[08:30] <basilarchia> for that matter, it's nice to use firefox again because I feel I've been neglecting an old friend
[08:31] <basilarchia> This is so recent, I assume they haven't tried the cards. Also, if they did try them, then HDMI sound didn't work so they probably went WTF.
[08:32] <basilarchia> I'm buying more hardware from them this week so I'll remind them to AMD cards
[08:32] <diogenes_> ok
[08:32] <basilarchia> You just gave me a goal to have them add AMD before the end of the year.
[08:32] <diogenes_> hehe come with a feedback on how it went
[08:38] <basilarchia> won't have to. they'll add it to the order page
[08:47] <basilarchia> diogenes_, is there a way within pavucontrol to try to play an audio file?
[08:47] <basilarchia> diogenes_, I opened a sales ticket with system76. sometimes you just have to ask nicely
[08:47] <diogenes_> never heard of that
[08:49] <diogenes_> they can pack it for you specifically but they won't offer is on their page
[08:50] <basilarchia> it sounds like you already tried this? or you work there ;)
[08:51] <basilarchia> or know something I don't. but I'll give it a shot again
[08:51] <basilarchia> I can't imagine why they would care
[08:51] <basilarchia> unless nvidia is paying them to care
[08:52] <diogenes_> it's a marketing strategy you offer only what passes the tests
[08:53] <basilarchia> I'm sure their burn-in strategy is the same as everyone else's. marketing strategy at this point is whatever people are willing to buy
[08:53] <diogenes_> otherwise you gonna get an avalanche of returns back and ask for a refund
[08:54] <basilarchia> I doubt it. returns probably are unlikely to be a big problem for them
[08:54]  * diogenes_ is away
[08:55] <basilarchia> ubuntu-mate is the first distribution I've used on the desktop in 10 years that didn't suck
[09:16] <mandje> basilarchia, so it blows?
[09:20] <basilarchia> not at all. it's awesome
[09:21] <basilarchia> for real. everyone that worked on this did a great job
[09:21] <basilarchia> IMHO
[09:44] <basilarchia> alkisg, the mainline-ppa kernel does fix HDMI sound out when amdgpu.dc=1 is set
[09:45] <basilarchia> so thanks for that pointer. I don't have to build a kernel from the AMD head which is nice
[09:46] <alkisg> Nice indeed :)
[09:46] <basilarchia> that also fixes the video corruption on boot
[09:47] <basilarchia> now to see how stable it is
[13:08] <cranston> hello
[13:10] <cranston> need help setting up video drivers for ubuntu mate on my raspberr pi3
[16:56] <NoCode> Issue: Installed KeePass2, when minimizing to tray, icon doesn't appear and the notification applet malfunctions. The icon beside it(hexchat) looks all buggered. killall mate-panel && mate-panel restores the panel without KeePass2 there.
[16:57] <NoCode> Now I just have KeePass2 minimizing to Window List.
[16:58] <NoCode> 17.10 as well.
[17:11] <alkisg> NoCode: why keepass2 instead of keepassx?
[17:12] <alkisg> keepass2 uses mono? meh :D
[17:13] <NoCode> What other differences are there?
[17:14] <NoCode> I'd love to avoid mono for sure. but.. I've used KeePass2 for a while now
[17:33] <sixwheeledbeast> You should use 16.04 LTS for RPi
[17:42] <alkisg> NoCode: I don't know the keepass2 vs keepassx differences, because I haven't used keepass2
[17:42] <alkisg> keepassx works fine for me
[17:43] <NoCode> SOmeone just told me KeePassX is already forked by KeePassXC now.
[17:45] <Khan89> sorry to bump mid conversation but... KeePass has forked?? :O :O
[18:16] <m4t> keepass2 is mono/c# and looks really crappy now, i switched to keepassx which is QT and you can set some env variables to make it match your gtk desktop
[18:16] <m4t> QT_STYLE_OVERRIDE=gtk2
[18:16] <m4t> QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=gtk2
[18:17] <m4t> no plugins in keepassx tho :(
[18:18] <alkisg> NoCode: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=keepass
[18:18]  * Menzador waits for keepassxcvbnm
[18:18] <alkisg> KeePassXC => ubuntu 18.04
[18:19] <NoCode> I wonder what other benefits there are between 2 and XC.
[18:19] <m4t> yeah i might switch to that, i researched it a bit a few months ago https://keepassxc.org/docs#faq-keepassx
[18:19] <NoCode> I hate making those choices. :P
[18:20] <NoCode> Is it more secure, will it get hacked, etc..
[18:21] <alkisg> NoCode: keepassxc is a fork of keepassx, so it's the same database format
[18:21] <NoCode> I remember that fiasco a couple years ago about other password manager.
[18:21] <alkisg> So, you can just try both without effort
[18:21] <m4t> there is functionality to run it as a daemon and have a browser extension communicate with it...that sounds risky
[18:39] <sixwheeledbeast> All the databases should work with each other so you could try them all.
[19:31] <outlaw> I have an external usb dvd/writer that doesnt seem to want to be recognized, and am looking for some assistance after googling now for a couple days, but cant find much thats specific to my issue.
[19:33] <outlaw> $ lsusb Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003 Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub Bus 001 Device 006: ID 1bcf:28aa Sunplus Innovation Technology Inc.  Bus 001 Device 004: ID 04f3:036e Elan Microelectronics Corp.  Bus 001 Device 009: ID 0483:91d1 STMicroelectronics Sensor Hub Bus 001 Device 007: ID 8087:0a2a Intel Corp.  Bus 001 Device 013: ID 18a5:0216 Verbatim, Ltd External Hard Drive Bus 001 Device 017: ID 18d1:4ee4 Google Inc. Nexus 4 (d
[21:48] <vek015> hi
[21:49] <vek015> help me