[00:12] <daker_> cjohnston: https://code.launchpad.net/~daker/ubuntu-community-webthemes/light-django-theme-update/
[00:14] <cjohnston> daker_: does that include the merge from Amoz ?
[00:14] <daker_> which one ?
[00:15] <cjohnston> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~fougner/+junk/light-django-theme-new-design
[00:15] <daker_> i think, no
[00:15] <cjohnston> ok
[00:16] <cjohnston> daker_: http://amoz.dyndns.org:8080/uds-p/ is his branch live
[00:16] <daker_> ok
[08:20] <Amoz> cjohnston, http://amoz.dyndns.org:8080/uds-p/
[08:21] <Amoz> footer and top-nav fixed
[08:21] <Amoz> now the main is left, with all the content and grid stuff
[08:21] <Amoz> and hr's
[11:29] <cjohnston> thats looking awesome Amoz
[11:47] <cjohnston> Amoz: what do you know of that still needs to be done?
[12:02] <cjohnston> yaili: good morning
[12:02] <yaili>  cjohnston hi
[12:03] <cjohnston> Is Steve on another network presently? Would you mind asking him to jump in here?
[12:03] <steveedwards> cjohnston: Hey.
[12:03] <steveedwards> Sorry, I had the wrong nickname.
[12:03] <cjohnston> hey steveedwards
[12:03] <cjohnston> I guess I should learn to look for both
[12:03] <cjohnston> steveedwards: did you see the new stuff about the sponsors?
[12:04] <steveedwards> cjohnston: It's cool. I should ditch the other.
[12:04] <steveedwards> cjohnston: Yes, working on that now.
[12:04] <cjohnston> cool
[12:04] <steveedwards> cjohnston: How are you doing with Summit?
[12:05] <cjohnston> steveedwards: Amoz is doing most of the work for us...
[12:05] <cjohnston> PM
[12:06] <cjohnston> steveedwards: I'm going to work on the track stuff in Summit right now
[12:07] <steveedwards> Amoz: Looking great. Nice work.
[12:07] <steveedwards> cjohnston: Okay, no worries. Cool.
[12:12] <cjohnston> steveedwards: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/tracks
[12:13] <steveedwards> cjohnston: Thanks.
[12:16] <cjohnston> steveedwards: I can't yet assign leads because they aren't registered as attending
[12:17] <steveedwards> cjohnston: Ah, I see. I've added the registration link to UDS this morning, so we should've started receiving registrations already.
[12:17] <cjohnston> steveedwards: different registration :-/
[12:18] <steveedwards> cjohnston: Oh.
[12:18] <cjohnston> steveedwards: theres 17 registration forms
[12:18] <cjohnston> !fail
[12:18] <cjohnston> you have to register as attending in Launchpad for summit to work
[12:18] <steveedwards> cjohnston: Pfft. 17? Bloody hell.
[12:18] <cjohnston> lol
[12:21] <cjohnston> steveedwards: are you good with replacing tracks on uds with tracks in summit now?
[12:21] <cjohnston> if they don't start marking themselves attending in the next few days (the leads) I'll start poking them
[12:22] <steveedwards> cjohnston: Yes, I'll take the tracks out of UDS with the latest sponsor changes.
[12:22] <cjohnston> ty
[12:22] <steveedwards> cjohnston: ;)
[12:22] <cjohnston> Maybe point to the track page in summit if you can come up with a clever way to do it
[12:23] <steveedwards> cjohnston: Sure thing
[12:24] <cjohnston> steveedwards: do you think it would be possible to at some point in the near future un-hard code the new theme so that the theme can be used on other sites?
[12:25] <steveedwards> cjohnston: It should be. I'll speak with Ellen (our Project Manager) about scheduling in a project to create a generic theme.
[12:25] <cjohnston> cool.. ty
[12:25] <cjohnston> make our lives much easier.. and not duplicate work
[12:26] <steveedwards> cjohnston: Definitely. It's something we've talked about doing, but not had the time to start.
[12:26] <cjohnston> :-)
[12:26] <cjohnston> steveedwards: poke your team to hang out in here ;-)
[12:26] <steveedwards> cjohnston: Makes our lives easier too.
[12:26] <steveedwards> cjohnston: :)
[12:26] <steveedwards> cjohnston: We've got some folk here already.
[12:27] <steveedwards> cjohnston: yaili, for example.
[12:27] <cjohnston> I know she's here ;-)
[12:27] <steveedwards> cjohnston: And antdillon.
[12:27] <cjohnston> she's my default for when I need help
[12:27] <steveedwards> cjohnston: Ah, a good choice. She's my default too.
[12:27] <steveedwards> cjohnston: ;)
[12:28] <yaili> I'm here all week
[12:28] <cjohnston> if your here, I can bug you too
[12:28] <cjohnston> so antdillon is the same guy who does most of the work on ubuntu.com when I file bugs there?
[12:28] <steveedwards> cjohnston: The very same.
[12:29] <cjohnston> awesome
[12:29] <cjohnston> so now i know when to poke when i find serious bugs
[12:29] <steveedwards> cjohnston: He's also the chap that built ubuntu.com/tour.
[12:29] <cjohnston> cool
[12:31] <cjohnston> hrm... somehow I have to figure out how to make other last in the track page
[12:31] <cjohnston> Can we change the word "Other" to "Zother" in websters? hehe
[12:31] <steveedwards> cjohnston: Cheat.
[12:31] <steveedwards> cjohnston: ;)
[12:32] <cjohnston> steveedwards: we have three events that run on summit now, so if I hardcode that other goes last and then another event uses other than doesnt want it last......
[12:32] <cjohnston> I added the track leads from old summits.. they just wont get permissions till I change them
[12:33] <steveedwards> cjohnston: Nice one. Ta.
[12:33] <cjohnston> :-)
[12:33] <cjohnston> did you speak to the copywriter?
[12:34] <steveedwards> cjohnston: Yes, about 'up-stream' you mean? He said that he prefers the term without the hyphen, yet all the copy from him for UDS had the hyphen in.
[12:34] <cjohnston> lmao
[12:34] <cjohnston> i love it
[12:34] <cjohnston> so your going to remove the hypen at some point?
[12:34] <steveedwards> cjohnston: Yeah, I think so.
[12:34] <cjohnston> cool.. ty
[12:35] <antdillon> cjohnston, Sorry was afk, yes ping me with any help you need
[12:38] <cjohnston> ty ant
[12:38] <cjohnston> ty antdillon
[12:38] <antdillon> cjohnston, :) np
[12:41] <cjohnston> steveedwards: did you see the reply on bug #929004
[12:41] <svwilliams> cjohnston, did the duplicate menu bug ever get resolved from summit?
[12:41] <cjohnston> svwilliams: ?
[12:41] <cjohnston> o
[12:41] <svwilliams> last week we were working on a left hand menu for summit
[12:41] <cjohnston> your thing..
[12:42] <svwilliams> yeah sorry
[12:42] <cjohnston> not that im aware of
[12:42] <svwilliams> :-)
[12:42] <cjohnston> i havent looked at it at all
[12:42] <svwilliams> ok, I couldn't duplicate, but I'll try again tonight
[12:42] <cjohnston> been working with Amoz to see if we can get the new theme update
[12:42] <svwilliams> Wohoo!! new theme!
[12:42] <steveedwards> cjohnston: Yes, I saw the reply. In fact, the fix has been released, so I'll change the status now.
[12:43] <cjohnston> that means the side menu will need to be made to work with the new theme :-/
[12:43] <svwilliams> If you need any help on that tonight, I'll be on after 8
[12:43] <cjohnston> ty svwilliams
[12:43] <svwilliams> np, your welcome
[12:43] <cjohnston> steveedwards: I still can mark it confirmed
[12:44] <cjohnston> jpds: any idea what happened to our bug bot?
[12:44] <steveedwards> cjohnston: Okay, cool. Please.
[12:44] <steveedwards> cjohnston: Grabbing some lunch. BRB.
[12:44] <cjohnston> steveedwards: http://uds.ubuntu.com/event/   the link in the venue text links to one place
[12:44] <cjohnston> and the links to book a room under accommodation go to another palce
[12:44] <cjohnston> place
[12:45] <steveedwards> cjohnston: That's deliberate, apparently.
[12:45] <steveedwards> cjohnston: We're encouraging folk to stay at Oakland Courtyard, but UDS takes place at Oakland City Center.
[12:46] <cjohnston> steveedwards: I think the text is still somewhat confusing
[12:46] <cjohnston> maybe under accommodation specify that you should book at the other hotel?
[12:46] <steveedwards> cjohnston: Okay. I can raise that with Marianna. Perhaps she can add some extra clarification.
[12:50] <cjohnston> stevedwards-brb: I posted on the bug.
[13:06] <cjohnston> I'm /3
[13:07] <cprofitt> what is /3
[13:08] <cjohnston> window change fail
[13:08] <cjohnston>  /3 == #ubuntu-community-team
[13:08] <cjohnston> I'll be back in a couple hours
[13:37] <mhall119> cjohnston: ping
[13:38] <cjohnston> mhall119: pong
[13:39] <mhall119> cjohnston: nvm, I found the issue
[13:39] <mhall119> you fixed tracks on summit.u.c, they need it fixed on uds.u.c also
[13:40] <cjohnston> they are being removed
[13:42] <mhall119> from uds.u.c?
[13:43] <cjohnston> yes
[13:44] <cjohnston> steveedwards is replacing it with a link
[13:44] <mhall119> ok, I'm going to leave the bug open until that's done then
[13:45] <steveedwards> mhall119: Just added a comment to the bug for clarification.
[13:45] <mhall119> steveedwards: did you know we have a json API for reading the track data?
[13:45] <steveedwards> mhall119: Ooh, no I didn't.
[13:45] <mhall119> http://summit.ubuntu.com/api/track/?summit__name=uds-q
[13:46] <steveedwards> mhall119: Excellent. I could use that, of course, but we'd still be looking at duplication of content.
[13:47] <mhall119> true
[13:47] <steveedwards> mhall119: Worth noting though. Ta.
[13:47] <cjohnston> atleast that way changes would only be required once
[15:03] <steveedwards> cjohnston: Hullo.
[15:04] <steveedwards> cjohnston: On the UDS Event page, I'm dropping the tracks and changing the button link to point to Summit. Do we still need a link to the full schedule?
[15:04] <cjohnston> steveedwards: pong
[15:05] <cjohnston> we will, yes.. obviously there isnt a schedule yet
[15:05] <steveedwards> cjohnston: Cool. I'll go for two links then. One to tracks and one to schedule. Thanks.
[15:06] <cjohnston> np
[15:19] <Amoz> cjohnston, I'm here again
[15:19] <Amoz> did I miss anything?
[15:19] <Amoz> my bouncer didn't log everything it seems..
[15:21] <Amoz> cjohnston, nvm, checked my other client
[15:22] <Amoz> cjohnston, well, I should take a look at the main content, see if there are any grids classes or something that needs to be done
[15:22] <Amoz> other than that, it's generally just cleaning up some comments and stuff
[15:23] <Amoz> do you consider it mergeable?
[15:28] <cjohnston> steveedwards: ping
[15:28] <steveedwards> cjohnston: Hey.
[15:29] <cjohnston> steveedwards: could you please review Amoz's work from the link I PMed you earlier and make any suggestions
[15:29] <cjohnston> Amoz: the "social" area of the uds-p page isn't gettings its formatting like it should
[15:29] <steveedwards> cjohnston: Sure thing.
[15:30] <cjohnston> thanks steveedwards. I'd like to get this out ASAP. :-)
[15:35] <Amoz> cjohnston, what should it look like?
[15:36] <Amoz> like the old summit?
[15:36] <Amoz> gray bg ?
[15:40] <cjohnston> yes
[15:41] <steveedwards> cjohnston: Where do you want feedback sent, Chris? Email?
[15:41] <cjohnston> steveedwards: thats fine..
[15:42] <steveedwards> cjohnston: Cool. I'll get that to you ASAP.
[15:42] <cjohnston> ty
[15:44] <Amoz> hey I'd like to get feedback as well, if it's about my work ^^
[15:45] <steveedwards> Amoz: Of course. What's your email address?
[15:47] <cjohnston> Amoz: you would have gotten it ;-)
[15:47] <Amoz> H
[15:47] <Amoz> ok, thanks
[16:18] <steveedwards> Amoz: You there?
[16:20] <Amoz> yup
[16:20] <Amoz> sup?
[16:20] <Amoz> steveedwards, ^
[16:20] <steveedwards> Amoz: PM'd you.
[16:25] <Amoz> steveedwards, oh, you're at canonical?
[16:25] <steveedwards> Amoz: Yes.
[16:25] <Amoz> cool
[16:25] <steveedwards> Amoz: But I'm an okay guy, really.
[16:25] <steveedwards> Amoz: ;)
[16:25] <Amoz> not awesome?
[16:25] <Amoz> :(
[16:26] <cjohnston> lol
[16:26] <steveedwards> Amoz: Rarely awesome, but always modest.
[16:27] <cjohnston> steveedwards: email
[16:27] <Amoz> steveedwards, as per your email, I'm on it...
[16:27] <steveedwards> cjohnston: Yup.
[16:27] <Amoz> the grid system I mean
[16:27] <Amoz> and the hr's
[16:28] <steveedwards> Amoz: Ah, brilliant. The grid work's not too much hassle?
[16:28] <cjohnston> my only thing about the grid stuff is its really only one page that it would be useful on
[16:29] <steveedwards> cjohnston: Even adding the 'row' class gives us some nice margin at the top of each page.
[16:29] <cjohnston> ok
[16:29] <cjohnston> we can try it
[16:29] <steveedwards> cjohnston: If not, you can just pull the styles.
[16:29] <Amoz> steveedwards, I'll see what I can do
[16:30] <Amoz> fixed the
 in footer
[16:30] <steveedwards> cjohnston: There should be 55px between the header and the page content, I think.
[16:30] <steveedwards> Amoz: Fantastic. Many thanks.
[16:30] <cjohnston> steveedwards: http://amoz.dyndns.org:8080/uds-p/2011-10-31/display   ignore the sub-nav... any suggestions for how to do this?
[16:31] <Amoz> sideways expansion, not great for webdesign apparently :P
[16:32] <cjohnston> Amoz: correct...
[16:32] <steveedwards> cjohnston: Hmm. A quick and dirty solution might be to stick it in a fixed-width container and use 'overflow-x: scroll'.
[16:32] <cjohnston> this page gets displayed on like a 50" widescreen TV tho
[16:32] <cjohnston> steveedwards: what will that do?
[16:32] <steveedwards> cjohnston: It'll keep it within the confines of the page, at least.
[16:33] <steveedwards> cjohnston: But the user won't be able to see the whole chart without scrolling.
[16:33] <cjohnston> steveedwards: that will screw it up for the UDS monitors
[16:33] <cjohnston> it has to stay wide
[16:33] <steveedwards> cjohnston: Hmm. Okay, scratch that.
[16:34] <cjohnston> steveedwards: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/2011-10-31/display this is how it is for now
[16:34] <cjohnston> and it works
[16:34] <cjohnston> we would have to re-modify it to work with the new theme tho
[16:36] <steveedwards> cjohnston: I think for now we'll have to do the same. We can figure out a more graceful solution as a group.
[16:36] <cjohnston> ok
[16:37] <steveedwards> cjohnston: I'll run it past the team to see what we can come up with.
[16:37] <cjohnston> ok
[16:37] <cjohnston> ty
[16:37] <steveedwards> cjohnston: Pleasure.
[16:37] <cjohnston> and I included my reply about the sidebar thing
[16:39] <steveedwards> cjohnston: Yeah, thanks for that. Very helpful.
[16:40] <cjohnston> ty.. at this point we are just waiting on that feedback prior to implementation of the new features
[16:53] <daker> oh cjohnston, mhall119  have you seen the RT response ?
[16:53] <mhall119> daker: to what?
[16:53] <daker> Upgrade loco.u.c to django 1.3
[16:55] <cjohnston> daker: I'm talking to them now
[16:55] <cjohnston> they are investigating
[17:20] <Amoz> cjohnston, there, I did some more changes to the summit branch and pushed it to my server and my +junk
[17:34] <cjohnston> Amoz: the "Latest tweets" area should be the same size as the one above it
[17:35] <Amoz> cjohnston, where can one find that area? O_O
[17:35] <cjohnston> uds-p
[17:36] <cjohnston> i edited to make you see it
[17:36] <cjohnston> does the page now contain the grid stuff Amoz ?
[17:37] <Amoz> ah
[17:37] <Amoz> cool
[17:37] <Amoz> how did you do that? :O
[17:37] <Amoz> stop hacking my surverz!
[17:37] <Amoz> u haxor
[17:37] <Amoz> well, yeah kind of
[17:38] <Amoz> at least the uds-p template is
[17:38] <cjohnston> because the DB you are using has my access in it
[17:38] <Amoz> if there are more sections in different template files we need to change them as well
[17:38] <cjohnston> its a hidden field until its defined
[17:38] <Amoz> cjohnston, I figured
[17:38] <cjohnston> Amoz: do you want to clean up the other template files or do you want me to do that
[17:39] <Amoz> cjohnston, no idea :P
[17:39] <Amoz> TODO is
[17:39] <Amoz>  * put all subnav anchors between
 tags*
[17:39] <Amoz>  * grid
[17:40] <Amoz> that's all I can recall right now
[17:40] <cjohnston> I would like it if you could do the grid stuff..
[17:40] <cjohnston> the li's I can do
[17:42] <Amoz> sure, have no idea when, but hopefully soon
[17:43] <Amoz> bah, diverging branches...
[17:43] <Amoz> -.-
[17:43] <cjohnston> :-/
[17:43] <Amoz> I'm missing a revision
[17:43] <cjohnston> :-(
[17:43] <Amoz> wat the ...
[17:44] <cjohnston> I didnt do it
[17:45] <Amoz> guilty!
[17:45] <cjohnston> hehe
[17:46] <cjohnston> Amoz: this is really awesome work your doing
[17:46] <cjohnston> I'm glad to have you here
[17:46] <Amoz> <3
[17:47] <Amoz> thank you
[17:47] <Amoz> yes yes very well
[17:47] <Amoz> I'm running for membership
[17:47] <cjohnston> cool
[17:47] <cjohnston> whats your wiki page
[17:48] <Amoz> hah, I haven't gotten that far
[17:48] <cjohnston> you need to
[17:48] <Amoz> I just felt I should be more involved
[17:48] <Amoz> yeah I know
[17:48] <Amoz> I need to check out all that stuff
[17:48] <cjohnston> ok.. if you arent going quite yet, then its ok
[17:48] <cjohnston> I'll help you out later on.
[17:48] <Amoz> but I want to contribute a few major things first
[17:48] <Amoz> what's needed for membership?
[17:48] <cjohnston> stick around with me and I will get you contributing, thats for sure
[17:48] <cjohnston> sustained contribution
[17:49] <Amoz> aha
[17:49] <Amoz> who's responsible for the wiki.u.c design etc. ?
[17:49] <Amoz> it's the old design I see..
[17:49] <cjohnston> the new design is quite new...
[17:49] <cjohnston> so they will need time to migrate everything over
[17:53] <Amoz> yeah
[17:53] <Amoz> but who is responsible? =)
[17:53] <cjohnston> the web team I believe
[17:53] <Amoz> so its not a community page
[17:53] <cjohnston> no
[17:54] <cjohnston> at one point the ability to propse fixes existed. I'm not sure anymore
[17:54] <cjohnston> Amoz: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~fougner/+junk/light-django-theme-new-design/view/head:/templates/website_base.html#L79
[17:55] <cjohnston> Please remove the seperate link from that line and just extend the one for the logo to incompass that
[17:57] <Amoz> cjohnston,
[17:57] <Amoz>
[17:57] <Amoz>
[17:57] <Amoz>
{% block logo_text %}{% endblock %}

[17:57] <Amoz>
[17:58] <Amoz> like that?
[17:58] <cjohnston> yes please
[17:58] <Amoz> that will mess it up
[17:58] <cjohnston> uggh
[17:58] <Amoz> :P
[17:58] <cjohnston> ok... then do
[17:58] <cjohnston>
[17:58] <cjohnston>
[17:58] <cjohnston>
[17:59] <cjohnston>

[17:59] <cjohnston> {% block logo_text %}Country Loco Team{% endblock %}

[17:59] <cjohnston> that way the URL stays the same
[18:00] <cjohnston> please
[18:00] <Amoz> pretty pleeease
[18:00] <Amoz> yes sir
[18:00] <Amoz> is the "country loco team" supposed to be there?
[18:00] <cjohnston> yes
[18:00] <Amoz> k
[18:00] <cjohnston> its just a placeholder
[18:01] <Amoz> heh
[18:01] <Amoz> dude
[18:01] <cjohnston> ?
[18:01] <Amoz> u cant do that
[18:01] <Amoz> template error
[18:01] <Amoz> we can't use the same variable more than once
[18:01] <cjohnston> uggh
[18:01] <cjohnston> mhall119:
[18:04] <Amoz> the h2 is not shown inline
[18:04] <Amoz> it's a block element
[18:04] <Amoz> which means it will automatically clear:both
[18:04] <Amoz> I suppose all headers are like that
[18:05] <Amoz> oh wait
[18:05] <Amoz> could be float:left as well
[18:08] <cjohnston> Amoz: on your running insance, can you please replace the database with http://ubuntuone.com/2wFfuUUS3YTsjHcmKuJGjr
[18:10] <cjohnston> ty
[18:10] <Amoz> ;S
[18:10] <Amoz> ;D*
[18:12] <cjohnston> Amoz: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~fougner/+junk/summit/view/head:/summit/common/templates/base.html#L62
[18:12] <cjohnston> change class='current' to class='active' please
[18:16] <cjohnston> something broke with the tweet area
[18:18] <Amoz> my server is still complaining about missing revisions
[18:18] <Amoz> :(
[18:18] <cjohnston> :-(
[18:18] <cjohnston> try --force  ?
[18:18] <Amoz> pull has no --force
[18:19] <cjohnston> bzr merge
[18:19] <cjohnston> ?
[18:23] <Amoz> can I merge and commit to a branch to fix the diversion?
[18:24] <cjohnston> i dont know what could have created a diversion
[18:24] <Amoz> damn russians
[18:24] <cjohnston> you could always revert everything off the server and then do a new merge
[18:24] <cjohnston> unless you have made changed directly to the server
[18:24] <Amoz> I shouldnt have
[18:25] <cjohnston> just revert everything off then imo
[18:26] <Amoz> well
[18:26] <Amoz> that doesnt help
[18:26] <cjohnston> :-(
[18:26] <Amoz> the latest r is 310
[18:26] <Amoz> from me
[18:26] <Amoz> and 309 is from you
[18:26] <Amoz> gah
[18:29] <cjohnston> bzr uncommit
[18:29] <cjohnston> bzr revert
[18:29] <cjohnston> bzr merge
[18:29] <cjohnston> ?
[18:30] <cjohnston> mhall119: ping
[18:31] <Amoz> mhall is no more :(
[18:32] <cjohnston> ?
[18:32] <mhall119> I'm not? oh noes!
[18:32] <cjohnston> oh no's
[18:32] <cjohnston> so its proven that he is just ignoring me
[18:32] <mhall119>  /nick ghost_of_mhall119
[18:32] <cjohnston> lol
[18:32] <mhall119> cjohnston: write a few pages of developer docs and I'll be happy to help you
[18:33] <cjohnston> i just need one little answer
[18:33] <cjohnston> for Amoz
[18:33] <cjohnston> to retheme the site
[18:33] <Amoz> lol
[18:33] <cjohnston> i can haz dox?
[18:33] <Amoz> now I got an even more complex message
[18:33] <cjohnston> uh oh
[18:34] <Amoz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/880752/
[18:34] <Amoz> :(
[18:37] <Amoz> d0x
[18:38] <cjohnston> I'm really confused
[18:38] <cjohnston> rm -r     ftw!
[18:38] <cjohnston> lol
[18:40] <Amoz> yeah
[18:40] <Amoz> conflict solution, subversion style
[18:40] <Amoz> will all the virtualenv stuff be left if I do that?
[18:41] <cjohnston> yes
[18:41] <cjohnston> as long as you set it up via summit.readthedocs.org
[18:45] <Amoz> cjohnston, the summit.db ploc
[18:45] <Amoz> plx
[18:46] <Amoz> and btw, are we gonna have a bot here?
[18:46] <cjohnston> there is supposed to be a bug bot here
[18:46] <Amoz> cool
[18:46] <cjohnston> http://ubuntuone.com/2wFfuUUS3YTsjHcmKuJGjr
[18:46] <Amoz> I'm gonna teach it aaaall I know!
[18:53] <Amoz> cjohnston, we should have a bot taking care of some notes and stuff for us
[18:53] <Amoz> for example !db
[18:53] <Amoz> would trigger a link to latest dev db for summit
[18:53] <Amoz> or something
[18:53] <Amoz> !db_summit
[18:53] <Amoz> etc.
[18:54] <cjohnston> heh
[18:54] <Amoz> for files not trackable in the bzr etc.
[18:54] <cjohnston> I do have a bot.. but that sounds like work to setup
[18:55] <Amoz> yeah
[18:55] <Amoz> but most bots should be able to learn about that stuff
[18:55] <Amoz> factoid bot for example?
[18:55] <cjohnston> ya
[18:55] <Amoz> should be easy to teach him that kind of stuff
[18:55] <Amoz> it*
[18:55] <Amoz> not him
[18:55] <cjohnston> but we would have to write something to push the dev db to a stable location
[18:55] <Amoz> huh?
[18:56] <Amoz> stable?
[18:56] <cjohnston> the u1 link changes every time I update the file
[18:56] <Amoz> use dropbox
[18:56] <Amoz> thats not updated
[18:56] <cjohnston> right now the dropbox right click menu thingie suxors
[18:57] <Amoz> why?
[18:57] <cjohnston> its missing the actions
[18:57] <cjohnston> it hasnt been updated to work with new nautilus changes
[18:57] <Amoz> weird
[18:57] <Amoz> I can
[18:57] <Amoz> "copy public link" you mean?
[18:57] <cjohnston> ya
[18:57] <cjohnston> im in +1
[18:58] <cjohnston> did you get your server back?
[18:58] <Amoz> ah god no
[18:58] <cjohnston> :-(
[18:58] <Amoz> oh yeah
[18:58] <Amoz> you are
[18:58] <Amoz> thats why
[18:58] <Amoz> nautilus 3.4?
[18:59] <cjohnston> not sure
[18:59] <Amoz> anyway
[18:59] <Amoz> if you're gonna use the exakt same link its not a problem
[18:59] <Amoz> just visit the db website
[18:59] <Amoz> and copy the link from there
[19:00] <cjohnston> ya
[19:00]  * cjohnston lazy
[19:00] <Amoz> then you can use that forever
[19:00] <Amoz> haha
[19:00] <Amoz> but thats too lazy
[19:00] <Amoz> better to do that than using U1 everytime
[19:00] <Amoz> that takes more time
[19:00] <Amoz> goood lord
[19:00] <cjohnston> i know..
[19:00] <Amoz> i hate virtualenv
[19:00] <cjohnston> whats wrong?
[19:00] <cjohnston> should just do workon summit
[19:00] <cjohnston> ./manage.py migrate
[19:00] <cjohnston> ....
[19:01] <Amoz> reinstalling all reqs now
[19:01] <cjohnston> shoudlnt need to
[19:01] <Amoz> no I had to remove the dir remember?
[19:01] <Amoz> and then it didn't want to do "workon summit
[19:01] <cjohnston> are you using make?
[19:02] <Amoz> nope
[19:02] <cjohnston> hrm
[19:02] <Amoz> got a weird error
[19:02] <cjohnston> that's odd
[19:02] <cjohnston> ive never had to reinstall
[19:02] <Amoz> maybe
[19:09] <Amoz> cjohnston, so, why u not at work?
[19:09] <cjohnston> i work tomorrow
[19:09] <cjohnston> i work every third day
[19:09] <Amoz> ah
[19:12] <Amoz> if there's a way to automate this environment setup, please let me know
[19:13] <cjohnston> not that im aware of
[19:13] <cjohnston> it shouldnt break just because you removed the bzr branch
[19:17] <Amoz> srsly
[19:17] <Amoz> nuff for today
[19:18] <cjohnston> :-(
[19:18] <Amoz> :(
[19:18] <cjohnston> its only like 4 lines to set it up isnt it?
[19:18] <Amoz> the site isn't even the right one now
[19:18] <Amoz> yeah it is
[19:18] <Amoz> and its up now
[19:18] <Amoz> http://amoz.dyndns.org:8080/
[19:18] <Amoz> but it looks nothing like it should
[19:18] <cjohnston> you havent merged in the changes
[19:18] <cjohnston> it doenst look like
[19:19] <Amoz> uhm
[19:19] <Amoz> bzr info gives me my branches
[19:20] <cjohnston> hrm
[19:21] <cjohnston> did you merge https://code.launchpad.net/~fougner/+junk/summit
[19:21] <Amoz> summit)alex@lancelot:~/dev/summit/summit$ bzr info
[19:21] <Amoz> Standalone tree (format: 2a)
[19:21] <Amoz> Location:
[19:21] <Amoz>   branch root: /home/alex/dev/summit
[19:21] <Amoz> Related branches:
[19:21] <Amoz>   parent branch: bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~fougner/%2Bjunk/summit/
[19:23] <cjohnston> i just merged in both of your branches and it looks right here
[19:24] <Amoz> thats soooo weird
[19:24] <cjohnston> what does bzr info say in your ubuntu_website dir?
[19:24] <Amoz> why aint it workin here beyaaa***ch
[19:25] <Amoz> its my branch there as well
[19:25] <Amoz> from my +junk
[19:25] <cjohnston> hrm
[19:26] <Amoz> but the faaak
[19:27] <Amoz> its not even the right files afai can see
[19:29] <Amoz> ah
[19:29] <Amoz> bzr update
[19:29] <Amoz> the tree was out of sync or something
[19:29] <cjohnston> good
[19:29] <Amoz> probably the init stuff removed my branch and overwrote it
[19:29] <Amoz> with the other stuff
[19:29] <cjohnston> ahh
[19:29] <cjohnston> yes
[19:29] <Amoz> weird bzr didn't say anything
[19:30] <Amoz> Traceback (most recent call last):
[19:30] <Amoz>   File "<string>", line 1, in <module>
[19:30] <Amoz> ImportError: No module named virtualenvwrapper.hook_loader
[19:30] <Amoz> virtualenvwrapper.sh: There was a problem running the initialization hooks. If Python could not import the module virtualenvwrapper.hook_loader, check that virtualenv has been installed for VIRTUALENVWRAPPER_PYTHON=/home/alex/.virtualenvs/summit/bin/python and that PATH is set properly.
[19:30] <Amoz> byobu gives me that error
[19:30] <cjohnston> ignore that
[19:30] <Amoz> ah
[19:30] <cjohnston> it still says (summit)user@host right?
[19:31] <Amoz> nope
[19:31] <cjohnston> hrm
[19:31] <cjohnston> o
[19:31] <cjohnston> workon summit
[19:31] <cjohnston> then it will
[19:31] <Amoz> alex@lancelot:~/dev/summit/summit$ workon summit
[19:31] <Amoz> Traceback (most recent call last):
[19:31] <Amoz>   File "<string>", line 1, in <module>
[19:31] <Amoz> ImportError: No module named virtualenvwrapper.hook_loader
[19:31] <Amoz> Traceback (most recent call last):
[19:31] <Amoz>   File "<string>", line 1, in <module>
[19:31] <Amoz> ImportError: No module named virtualenvwrapper.hook_loader
[19:32] <cjohnston> no (summit) user  ?
[19:33] <Amoz> now watch
[19:33] <Amoz> yeah now it is
[19:33] <Amoz> but still
[19:33] <Amoz> a lot of errors
[19:33] <Amoz> thats not userfriendly
[19:33] <Amoz> :P
[19:33] <Amoz> anyway
[19:33] <Amoz> now I'm unr again
[19:34] <cjohnston> unr?
[19:34] <cjohnston> Amoz: merge https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisjohnston/summit/more-theme-work into your summit/ and then commit it to your branch please
[19:34] <cjohnston> its subnav across half the site
[19:34] <cjohnston> working on the other half now
[19:35] <Amoz> up n running
[19:35] <cjohnston> ahh
[19:35] <Amoz> hmm
[19:36] <Amoz> cjohnston, why is there a link on the startpage going to localhost? :P
[19:36] <Amoz> and how can I change the site url?
[19:36] <Amoz> everything points to Uds.u.c now
[19:36] <cjohnston> its supposed to
[19:36] <cjohnston> the "schedule" link in the menu works
[19:37] <cjohnston> and the link to UDS - P work
[19:37] <cjohnston> s
[19:37] <cjohnston> that branch actually should include all subnav fixes
[19:38] <Amoz> I mean in general
[19:38] <Amoz> when on a dev server
[19:38] <cjohnston> mhall119: is there someway to make website_base.html call logo_href twice?
[19:38] <cjohnston> most of the links are hard coded
[19:38] <Amoz> oh
[19:38] <Amoz> why? =(
[19:38] <cjohnston> because we were told to
[19:39] <cjohnston> the logo link is hard coded to a different site
[19:39] <Amoz> yeah but I'm talking about the menu and all
[19:39] <cjohnston> the schedule link is fixed
[19:40] <cjohnston> you can click it
[19:40] <cjohnston> so the tweet box is still broken
[19:42] <Amoz> there
[19:43] <Amoz> I merge and pushed your fixes
[19:43] <cjohnston> ty
[19:43] <Amoz> yeah about the tweet box
[19:44] <Amoz> it's dependant on the grid stuff
[19:44] <Amoz> hold on
[19:46] <cjohnston> mhall119: http://ubuntuone.com/2VVPsJR7PRHtf8WbUvBbAy
[19:46] <cjohnston> mhall119: do you like it like that, or want it to go back to being narrower
[19:48] <mhall119> cjohnston: is that just a larger fixed width, or will it be always fullscreen-width?
[19:48] <Amoz> cjohnston, is that the new schedule design?
[19:48] <cjohnston> no idea
[19:48] <Amoz> I've got an idea
[19:48] <cjohnston> Amoz: thats the agenda page
[19:48] <cjohnston> being messed with by the new css
[19:49] <Amoz> oh
[19:49] <cjohnston> mhall119: is there a way to display a block twice
[19:49] <mhall119> cjohnston: what do you mean?
[19:49] <cjohnston> the logo_href I need twice
[19:49] <mhall119> hmmm....I'm not sure
[19:49] <Amoz> we'll fix it somehow
[19:50] <mhall119> might just need to do two blocks
[19:50] <Amoz> i should be doable with a css hack or something
[19:50] <Amoz> it*
[19:50] <cjohnston> i dont want a second block for the same url
[19:50] <cjohnston> Amoz: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/2011-10-31/ is what it was
[19:50] <cjohnston> mhall119: the text seems bigger
[19:50] <Amoz> cjohnston, ah
[19:50] <Amoz> looks better to me
[19:51] <Amoz> but you showed the wiiiide site before
[19:51] <Amoz> why not make it similar to this one?
[19:51] <mhall119> cjohnston: bigger than what?
[19:51] <cjohnston> the wide display has a seperate purpose
[19:51] <Amoz> cjohnston, for big screens at the UDS?
[19:51] <cjohnston> the text in the new theme is bigger than the text on current summit
[19:51] <cjohnston> Amoz: yes
[19:51] <Amoz> ok
[19:52] <cjohnston> I personally like the narrower agenda view better
[19:52] <cjohnston> but i dont know how much wrapping of text will be caused by narrowing it
[19:52] <cjohnston> since the font size is bigger
[19:53] <Amoz> anyway
[19:53] <Amoz> I'm out for today
[19:53] <Amoz> gbye guys
[19:53] <cjohnston> g'nite!
[19:53] <cjohnston> thanks for your help
[19:54] <Amoz> uw
[19:57] <cjohnston> mhall119: if we remove the track names it will be better
[19:57] <cjohnston> ehe
[19:59] <cjohnston> mhall119: http://ubuntuone.com/73sJGqMoJHIWdS6gasg3Se
[20:08] <cjohnston> mhall119: thoughts between the two?
[20:11] <mhall119> cjohnston: I don't have a strong opinion either way
[20:11] <cjohnston> :-/
[21:22] <cjohnston> Amoz: can you please merge https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisjohnston/ubuntu-community-webthemes/more-theme-work and https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisjohnston/summit/more-theme-work
[21:22] <cjohnston> into yours
[21:22] <cjohnston> then push them to your server
[21:45] <Amoz> cjohnston, there
[21:45] <Amoz> now, running
[21:47] <cjohnston> Amoz: ty
[21:48] <cjohnston> I've asked mhall119 to look at it for suggestions
[21:50] <cjohnston> Amoz: can you convert the track page to rows?
[21:50] <cjohnston> tracks.html in the schedule templates directory
[21:53] <cjohnston> Amoz: another thing to do is run --settings linaro_settings and see what blows up
[21:53] <cjohnston> bbiab.. dinner
[22:19] <daker_> hello :)
[22:38] <cjohnston> hey daker_
[22:43] <daker_> cjohnston: any progress ?
[22:44] <cjohnston> some, yes
[23:02] <daker_> hey cjohnston mhall119 Amoz look at this http://austin.lanyrd.com/?day=mar-12&fullscreen=1&view=grid
[23:04] <cjohnston> tbh I like ours better
[23:06] <daker_> there are some issues like this http://amoz.dyndns.org:8080/uds-p/track/linaro-platforms/
[23:06] <cjohnston> yup
[23:06] <cjohnston> still something to be fixed
[23:07] <cjohnston> we need to do full screen on those pages
[23:08] <daker_> or just fixed the width and add a horizontal scrollbar like this http://austin.lanyrd.com/?day=mar-12&view=grid
[23:08] <cjohnston> daker_: its not for laptops
[23:08] <cjohnston> there is no scrolling ability
[23:09] <daker_> so the fullscreen is the solution
[23:09] <cjohnston> yup
[23:15] <Amoz> cjohnston, so we gonna make a custom css for the biiiig schedule thingy?
[23:16] <cjohnston> im working on trying to
[23:17] <Amoz> cool
[23:18] <Amoz> cjohnston, you know chromium is reaaaal good for web dev huh?
[23:19] <cjohnston> no
[23:19] <Amoz> ctrl+alt+j
[23:19] <Amoz> then you can try disabling the styles
[23:19] <Amoz> checkboxes on the right
[23:19] <Amoz> try disabling the width style for the div.wrapper
[23:19] <Amoz> and the .inner-wrapper
[23:19] <Amoz> that makes it wider
[23:20] <daker_> FF has firebug + the new inspector
[23:20] <cjohnston> Amoz: if you know how to do it, go right ahead
[23:20] <Amoz> cjohnston, not really, that was just a "hey try this" :P
[23:20] <cjohnston> i dont have a clue how to do it
[23:20] <cjohnston> err
[23:20] <Amoz> i can put it on my todo-list
[23:20] <Amoz> :D
[23:22] <cjohnston> I got it a little better
[23:23] <Amoz> yeah?
[23:23] <Amoz> nevertheless, the chromium dev tools are great for that kind of stuff
[23:23] <Amoz> you can even change html and css in realtime
[23:24] <Amoz> just doubleklick html lines or css styles
[23:24] <Amoz> change it, delete it, do whatever you want
[23:24] <Amoz> and see the changes in the browser
[23:24] <Amoz> also, you can easily see where the styles comes from
[23:28] <cjohnston> Amoz: can you merge bzr push lp:~chrisjohnston/ubuntu-community-webthemes/more-theme-work again please
[23:29] <cjohnston> sorry.. bzr merge lp:~chrisjohnston/ubuntu-community-webthemes/more-theme-work
[23:35] <Amoz> cjohnston, gotta go to sleep
[23:35] <Amoz> gnite
[23:36] <cjohnston> nite


[02:08] <John64> is storm used much in the real world outside of launchpad?
[02:18]  * ScottK guesses this probably isn't the best place for people who would know.
[02:33] <John64> well, it is an Ubuntu developed platform.  oh well, thanks anyway
[02:34] <Hobbsee> s/ubuntu/canonical/
[02:34] <ScottK> John64: It's nothing to do with Ubuntu.
[02:35] <Hobbsee> you'd probably need to contact canonical directly.  I believe there are addresses on canonical.com
[02:35] <John64> ohkay, well, i wouldn't say it isn't 'nothing to do with ubuntu'
[02:35] <ScottK> John64: From a development perspective it is nothing to do with Ubuntu.
[02:35] <ScottK> Ubuntu uses it and it is built on Ubuntu, but Ubuntu has nothing to do with LP development.
[02:36] <John64> since it is the basis of launchpad, and launchpad is a huge part of ubuntu, it is part of the development.  either way, thanks for your info
[02:36] <wgrant> It has nothing to do with Ubuntu except being primarily developed by Ubuntu's sponsor.
[02:36] <wgrant> *prime sponsor
[02:37] <wgrant> We can't see Launchpad's source, so what Launchpad uses has nothing whatsoever to do with us.
[02:37] <Hobbsee> wgrant: he's gone, fwiw
[02:37] <wgrant> Damn.
[02:37] <Hobbsee> you could always /query it to him, though
[02:44] <ebroder> Ugh. I can never keep the procedure straight. If I'm asking for a Debian sync now, that's just for bugfixes (i.e. feature freeze shouldn't apply), who should I subscribe to the bug?
[02:44] <ScottK> ebroder: Main or Universe package?
[02:44] <ebroder> universe
[02:44] <ebroder> (bug 350470)
[02:45] <ScottK> ebroder: ubuntu-universe-sponsors
[02:45] <ebroder> Ok. That's what I thought, just wanted to make sure they were still the right group this far into the release
[02:45] <ebroder> Thanks
[03:49] <OsamaK> Hello. Which package contains the new confriming message on shutdown, restart, logout?
[03:49] <OsamaK> I just wnat to translate it.
[03:54] <Hobbsee> OsamaK: oss-notify, i think?
[03:55] <OsamaK> Hobbsee, is it a GNOME package?
[03:56] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure
[04:04] <wgrant> OsamaK, Hobbsee: It's fast-user-switch-applet
[04:05] <wgrant> Hobbsee: You were thinking of notify-osd?
[04:05] <Hobbsee> wgrant: er, yes, i probably was.
[04:05] <wgrant> Took me a while to remember that one.
[04:06] <wgrant> And I still think that indicator-applet is notification-applet
[04:08] <OsamaK> wgrant, is it GNOME?
[04:09] <wgrant> OsamaK: Those dialogs are not part of GNOME.
[04:09] <wgrant> I'm not sure about FUSA itself.
[04:10] <OsamaK> thanks.
[04:17] <OsamaK> wgrant, what about the 'shutdown' icon on the top right corner?
[04:17] <wgrant> OsamaK: The separate one, not FUSA?
[04:19] <OsamaK> wgrant, can you please link Jaunty Jackalope's fast-user-switch-applet page on launchpad?
[04:20] <OsamaK> (to get me directly into the needed translation)
[04:20]  * wgrant looks.
[04:20]  * wgrant hasn't dealt with Translations in a looong time.
[04:21] <wgrant> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/fast-user-switch-applet
[04:22] <wgrant> OsamaK: ^^
[04:25] <OsamaK> great! thanks :)
[11:52] <StevenK> asac: Gah, you broke firefox in Intrepid!
[11:52] <StevenK> asac: Now when I shade the window, it comes back fullscreen without window decorations.
[11:57] <StevenK> zul_: If the cheetah upload you performed didn't actually change anything, it should be -2build1.
[12:03] <asac> StevenK: what dies  "shade the window" mean?
[12:12] <StevenK> asac: So it's just the titlebar -- when I unshade it, it does that
[12:12] <StevenK> Now that I have your attention, it isn't. Bah.
[12:14] <asac> StevenK: i still dont know what "shade/unshading" means ;)
[12:15] <asac> minimizing?
[12:15] <StevenK> asac: No, it isn't minimising
[12:15] <StevenK> asac: Think of it as pulling down or putting up a windowshade
[12:15] <asac> StevenK: ah so compositing? compiz or metacity?
[12:16] <StevenK> asac: Compiz, yeah
[12:18] <asac> StevenK: so window decoration going away and ffox starting in fullscreen with titlebar behind panel has been reported in the past with compiz.
[12:18] <StevenK> asac: Ah ha!
[12:19] <asac> i think we fixed something in compiz, so its less frequent ... but personally, i never could reproduce it#
[12:19] <asac> StevenK: if you can reproduce it might make sense to open a compiz bug about it, so we can take a another poke at it;)
[12:20] <StevenK> asac: I can't even reproduce it now :-(
[12:20] <asac> heh
[12:20] <asac> ;)
[12:30] <lifeless> kees: ping
[12:31] <lifeless> kees: I want to mark a function pointers as warn_if_result_ignored
[12:35] <Mithrandir> lifeless: __attribute__ ((warn_unused_result))
[12:36] <Mithrandir> lifeless: http://blog.rlove.org/2005/10/with-little-help-from-your-compiler.html is quite ok.
[12:50] <lifeless> Mithrandir: and it just works for function pointers too?
[12:50] <lifeless> Mithrandir: concretely, I mean
[12:50] <lifeless> struct {
[12:51] <lifeless>   int (*method) (void);
[12:51] <lifeless> } foo;
[12:51] <lifeless> ...
[12:51] <lifeless> myfoo->method(); <- this line is the one I want to blow up.
[12:52] <lifeless> Mithrandir: ah yes, it does.
[12:53] <lifeless> thanks. [I know how to do it for regular functions, was just shy, shoulda jjust tried on the fptr)].
[16:09] <kklimonda> does enyone use vmware with ubuntu 9.04? i have a problem with automatic bridging..
[16:09] <kklimonda> anyone* ;/
[16:11] <hyperair> this really isn't the place to ask
[16:40] <kees> lifeless: yup, what Mithrandir said.  :)  Out of curiosity, where are you using it?
[17:58] <Superdweeb> hai guys, does anyone out there that you know, have a script that when executed downloads and executes everything required to totally recompile an ubuntu installation from source?
[17:58] <Superdweeb> I'm getting a gentoo itch but wubi only works with ubuntu and my pentium M does not support hardware virtualization.
[17:59] <ebroder> Even if there were such a script, why would you want to do that? Ubuntu doesn't have USE flags or anything, so you'd just be wasting your time
[18:00] <ebroder> You wouldn't get binaries that are different from the binary distribution in any meaningful way
[18:00] <Superdweeb> no use flags?
[18:00] <Superdweeb> I can't tweek the sheet out of it?
[18:01] <Superdweeb> How about the kernel, I read some of the text from that big meeting you guiz had
[18:01] <Superdweeb> you've compiled support into the kernel for tons of stuff
[18:01] <Superdweeb> Any easy way to get rid of the modules?
[18:01] <Superdweeb> There should be a GUI for that.
[18:02] <ebroder> Why? Are you crunched for disk space? Modules don't get loaded if you don't need them
[18:02] <Superdweeb> well I use only super-old computers that happen to be just new enough to work ok.
[18:02] <Superdweeb> I tweaked the shit out of the services and stuff.
[18:02] <Superdweeb> why the * does standard desktop ubuntu have rsync automatically running?
[18:35] <savvas> does anyone know how to get the screensaver status through dbus, as root for another user?
[18:36] <savvas> or should user-run applications send that status to root applications/services?
[18:53] <AakashPatel> hi everyone
[18:53] <AakashPatel> who here has developed for the APT system on ubuntu?
[18:54] <AakashPatel> lol 259 people on this channel...and no one?
[18:54] <cody-somerville> What do you want to ask them?
[18:55] <AakashPatel> I am developing an APT like system for Android OS
[18:55] <jdong> that kind of activity ratio should suggest that a lot of developers listen on this channel for important discussions pertaining to Ubuntu development.
[18:55] <AakashPatel> and i dont get how the apt system get's a list of all apps...
[18:56] <AakashPatel> (this is releated to who it was APT works on ubuntu)
[18:57] <jdong> this is a basic support question that's best answered by the APT support lists, or even -devel-discuss.
[18:57] <jdong> it's not on topic for this channel
[18:57] <AakashPatel> ubuntu-devel-discuss ?
[18:57] <AakashPatel> #ubuntu-devel-discuss ?
[18:58] <jdong> ubuntu-devel-discuss is a mailing list.
[18:58] <AakashPatel> errr...
[18:58] <jdong> have you tried APT's documentation for answering these questions?
[18:58] <AakashPatel> where is it?
[18:59] <jdong> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html
[18:59] <jdong> that should answer your question on where APT gets its package list.
[18:59] <jdong> (from the Packages file in a repository)
[19:00] <AakashPatel> thanks
[19:00] <jdong> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html
[19:00] <jdong> the Debian APT howto provides a great overview of APT's functionality too, though probably not as useful to answer your questions
[19:01] <AakashPatel> err...whats the ubuntu main repo url?
[19:02] <AakashPatel> im not on my linux comp right now...
[19:02] <cody-somerville> archive.ubuntu.com
[19:02] <jdong> for example, see http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/intrepid-updates/main/binary-i386/
[19:06] <ebroder> Hey jdong: would you be up for looking at bug #348865?
[19:10] <jdong> ebroder: looking
[19:11] <jdong> ebroder: yeah, definitely a bug that needs to be fixed; would you like to prepare the SRU debdiff or ask the OP to do the same?
[19:11] <ebroder> There's a debdiff in the first ocmment
[19:11] <jdong> oh look at that :)
[19:13] <ebroder> Thanks :)
[19:18] <jdong> sure thing
[19:31] <UsamaAkkad> hello, if some one want to do minimal install cd for Mint or similar Ubuntu based distribution. what file should he change ?
[19:31]  * hyperair wonders if someone could look into bug #349768
[19:31] <hyperair> shit wrong bug
[19:31] <hyperair> bug 349678
[19:31] <hyperair> yeah that.
[20:18] <nysosym> hi there
[20:32] <lfaraone> james_w: ping (or anyone else in ~ubuntu-archive, I have a license question for ye)
[20:34] <jdong> (directly asking the question works well in here; people actually read their scrollback)
[20:35] <UsamaAkkad> hello, if some one want to do minimal install cd for Mint or similar Ubuntu based distribution. what file should he change ?
[20:37] <lfaraone> james_w: would a package which as a rule does not allow binary/source modification (unless you change the package's name) but a special exception has been made for Ubuntu packaging (anybody else who made further changes would have to rename the package) be acceptable in universe, or only in multiverse?
[20:37] <lfaraone> jdong: understood.
[20:42] <jpds> lfaraone: Sounds like http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/multiverse/s/spim/spim_7.4-0ubuntu1/spim.copyright
[20:46] <slangasek> mdke: why is the gnome-user-guide not split by language?
[20:51] <lfaraone> jpds: kk. spesifically, it's truecrypt.
[20:52] <lfaraone> jpds: which, while technically "FOSS" has a terrible license.
[20:52] <jpds> Yes, I know.
[21:59] <calc> slangasek: ping
[21:59] <calc> slangasek: debian-bug 521741
[22:00] <calc> slangasek: looks like that might be ugly, i assume that is something we probably should fix before release?
[22:00] <calc> slangasek: despite the package it is assigned to in debian it is not just a OOo bug
[22:01] <calc> slangasek: rene just reused the same bug report apparently and reassigned later to OOo
[22:27] <james_w> lfaraone: that's the sort of thing which would be multiverse material, but I believe truecrypt has other problems that may keep it from the archive.
[22:28] <lfaraone> james_w: oh? such as?
[22:28] <james_w> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/distributions/2008-October/000273.html
[22:29] <james_w> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/distributions/2008-October/000276.html
[22:34] <lfaraone> james_w: I see.
[22:35] <james_w> not a definitive ruling, but it shows that there may be more to it than the usual restrictions
[23:08] <mdke> slangasek: do you mean split into separate packages?
[23:14] <mdke> slangasek: if so, I don't know. Neither gnome-user-docs nor ubuntu-docs splits into different languages, it's never been done that way. i guess the packaging for gnome-user-docs originally came from debian, but that's about all I know


[10:31] <aluno> sup
 that's why i installed another one for speed execution time and less memory footprint (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <guiverc> ack...   firefox is now a snap package (a little slower to initially start but ~similar once going), the confinement may use a touch more RAM though; LXQt I believe has grown (due added features)..  but I can't recall much else changing that would cause 'slowness' sorry)


[14:50] <frankban> jujugui call in 10 kanban now
[15:00] <frankban> jujugui call now
[15:01] <frankban> urulama: call?
[15:02] <frankban> jrwren: ^^^
[15:02] <jrwren> ty
[15:24] <urulama> frankban: sorry, needed to jump out ...
[15:25] <frankban> urulama: np
[15:25] <urulama> frankban: was there anything of notice?
[15:26] <frankban> urulama: nothing except the usual awesomeness
[15:29] <urulama> :D :D
[16:45] <kadams54> guihelp: Looking for reviews/QA on https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/622. That's a new one, in addition to #621, which Makyo and jcsackett are on.
[17:10] <jcsackett> kadams54: got both of yours, did QA on the new one.
[17:21] <kadams54> jcsackett: thanks!
[17:34] <kadams54> jcsackett: pluralization fixed on https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/621 - can I get a +1?
[17:46] <jcsackett> kadams54: looking now.
[17:48] <jcsackett> kadams54: i see it fixed in environment-counts.handlebars but not in added-services.handlebars.
[17:48] <jcsackett> if you fix it the same way, +1, which i'll go ahead and mark the PR with.
[18:00] <kadams54> jcsackett: Ah, whoops… the HTML in added-services.handlebars was supposed to be removed, as it moved over to environment-count.handlebars.
[18:13] <jcsackett> kadams54: ah, removing it counts as fixing it. :)
[18:17] <kadams54> Changing locations, be back shortly.
[18:53] <rick_h_> howdy all
[19:12] <kadams54> rick_h_: hey, you stateside yet?
[19:12] <rick_h_> kadams54: yea, chilling in JFK for 6 more hours :/
[19:13] <rick_h_> so I expect to be toast tomorrow
[19:18] <kadams54> 6 hours? Man, that's teh suck.
[19:19] <rick_h_> well first time chilling in the delta sky club
[19:19] <rick_h_> wish I had an extra set of clean closthes and I could shower up and feel a lot better I bet
[19:19] <rick_h_> oh well, lessons learned
[19:43] <rick_h_> kadams54: Makyo hatch looks like actions is moving along so we'll probably swap that out for debug-log as next after the added services work fyi
[19:43] <kadams54> ok
[19:43] <Makyo> \o/
[19:43] <rick_h_> and put hatch and react to work on some data binding updates :/
[19:43] <Makyo> Ew
[19:43] <rick_h_> it'll be a big chunk
[19:43] <Makyo> Yeah.
[19:43] <Makyo> There was some good work on that at the sprint, at least.
[19:43] <rick_h_> to do the jsonschema/databinding updates for that
[19:43] <rick_h_> yea, though not seen it yet. I'll be curious to check it out
[19:44] <rick_h_> anyway, just heads up, no action/changes atm
[19:58] <rick_h_> luca: it's past your bed time :P
[19:59] <luca> rick_h_: it is!
[19:59] <luca> rick_h_: just opened my laptop
[19:59] <rick_h_> :P
[19:59] <luca> rick_h_: are you home?
[19:59] <rick_h_> oh, your gf is away right?
[19:59] <rick_h_> no :( JFK in new york
[19:59] <luca> rick_h_: she got back a little while ago
[19:59] <rick_h_> had double flight delays, reschedulings, party party
[20:00] <luca> rick_h_: ouch :(
[20:00] <rick_h_> hopefully get on the second flight in 5 more hours
[20:00] <luca> rick_h_: ....
[20:00] <rick_h_> and home to my bed a little after midnight local time
[20:00] <luca> good thing you have all those spare batteries :D
[20:00]  * rick_h_ crosses fingers
[20:00] <rick_h_> lol :P
[20:01] <rick_h_> lessons learned on previous occasions
[20:01] <luca> hehe
[21:13] <rick_h_> bac: <3 ty
[21:14] <bac> rick_h_: ?
[21:14] <rick_h_> bac: saw the fix-released email
[21:14] <rick_h_> ty for doing that for abentley and company
[21:58] <huwshimi> Morning
[22:00] <luca> Morning huwshimi
[22:00] <huwshimi> luca: Hey
[22:00] <luca> I’m just about to head off, is there anything you need?


[01:26] <jrwren> anyone know how upstart works or where the docs are? becuase everything I find is absolutely poor.
[01:27] <rick_h__> jrwren: not really, I've got bookie running uwsgi processes via upstart
[01:27] <rick_h__> but it's just a sample config I grabbed and it worked
[01:27] <rick_h__> jrwren: http://paste.mitechie.com/show/481/
[01:28] <jrwren> so....
[01:28] <jrwren> where does upstart store it status ?
[01:28] <jrwren> becuase I say start... it doesn't bother to try to run start.
[01:28] <jrwren> it thinks it is already started, because of some stored status.
[01:28] <jrwren> no idea where that is stored.
[01:29] <jrwren> its not like the old init.d days where start would check if it already started and then say it is already started
[01:31] <rick_h__> http://upstart.at/2011/02/01/process-less-jobs/
[01:31] <rick_h__> "It’s well known and documented that the usual way to define a daemon or long-running process with Upstart is to use the exec stanza, so that Upstart knows the pid of the daemon, can supervise it when used with the respawn process and can send appropriate signals to its process group to stop it again."
[01:31] <rick_h__> ?
[01:32] <jrwren> so exec and respawn aren't working for me then.
[01:33] <jrwren> yeah, that is a great link if trying to wrap an rc.d style script.
[01:33] <rick_h__> jrwren: right, more meant that the first paragraph seems to imply it doesn't "store" state but monitors the pid of the exec'd command to tell if it's running/not
[01:34] <jrwren> let me start over. upstart isn't execing or respawning dbus. so I get no dbus on boot. How can I fix this?
[01:34] <rick_h__> second hand info and all that, but seems relevent to your original question
[01:34] <jrwren> yes, that is how I understood it too.. from the docs and second hand info, but its not what i am observing :(
[01:35] <rick_h__> jrwren: so there's a dbus upstart script in the /etc/init directory?
[01:36] <jrwren> yes
[01:36] <jrwren> dbus.conf
[01:36] <jrwren> is it supposed to start the system debus
[01:36] <jrwren> it doesn't :(
[01:36] <rick_h__> ok, so it's starting off a fake event it looks like.
[01:36] <rick_h__> so you'll have to chase that chain
[01:37] <jrwren> well, on "local-filesystem"
[01:37] <jrwren> you think that might not fire?
[01:37] <rick_h__> http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/tutorials/7033/1
[01:37] <jrwren> interesting idea.
[01:37] <rick_h__> jrwren: right, so that's fired from another upstart event/script
[01:37] <rick_h__> which might not be run, etc
[01:37] <rick_h__> so that's from mountall.conf
[01:43] <jrwren> pretty sure that is happening.
[01:43] <jrwren> sure would help if console output actually worked!
[01:44] <rick_h__> heh
[01:44] <rick_h__> yea, sorry not sure. I've not had to chase any issues down there
[01:44] <rick_h__> the fact that it seemed based on some other event seemed interesting
[01:51] <jrwren> but the thing is.
[01:51] <jrwren> if i stop dbus, then start it, it starts.
[01:51] <jrwren> which REALLY makes me think upstart is storing state.
[01:51] <jrwren> even if it claims that it doesn't.
[01:51] <jrwren> i'm pretty convinced it does.
[01:51] <jrwren> it stores the state to know which events have happened to know what is running
[01:52] <jrwren> they try to hide it.
[01:52] <jrwren> but its a VERY leaky abstraction.
[01:52] <jrwren> which initcl
[01:55] <rick_h__> jrwren: well let me know if you find out, I'm curious now
[01:55] <snap-l> Good evening
[01:55] <jrwren> zomg, its a catch22!!!
[01:55] <jjesse> evening
[01:55] <jrwren> initctl connects to dbus to ask for process's status!!!
[01:55] <snap-l> just rolled back from MUG board meeting dinner
[01:56] <jjesse> was it a good dinner?
[01:56] <jjesse> i think it is still snowing outside, giant flakes
[01:56] <snap-l> Went to Gauchos
[01:56] <snap-l> it was very good, but extremely filling
[01:56] <snap-l> and not particularly vegan
[01:56] <jrwren> since when are you vegan?
[01:57] <snap-l> jrwren: I'm macrobiotic lacto-vegan
[01:57] <jrwren> since when?
[01:57] <snap-l> who also eats meat.
[01:57] <jjesse> a what?
[01:57] <jrwren> pfff.. rofl
[01:57] <jjesse> does macrobiotic mean you eat other vegans?
[01:58] <snap-l> I eat vegetarian when i want  to eat vegetarian
[01:58] <snap-l> jjesse: macrobiotic is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macrobiotic_diet
[02:00] <jrwren> oh wow, that is how I eat at least 80% of the time.
[02:00] <jrwren> i had no idea.
[02:00] <snap-l> jrwren: You live in Ann Arbor.
 You're looking at news sites
[13:10] <rick_h__> I may not know wtf is going on, but so much happier since I blocked out the news
[13:18] <Wolfger> Yeah, I have definitely decided that "ignorance is bliss" is true far more often than false.
[14:17] <ColonelPanic001> Wolfger: I'm not happy enough for that to be true
[14:20] <Wolfger> ColonelPanic001: Just think how much more miserable you'd be if you knew what was going on...
[14:21] <ColonelPanic001> probably true
[14:26] <Wolfger> Getting excited about xmas. Can't wait for my Kindle. Or for my wife to get her new laptop so I no longer hear her swearing at her old one...
[14:28] <ColonelPanic001> girlfriend gave me a Kindle Fire, and a couple days ago because she didn't want to wait. heh
[14:28] <rick_h__> ColonelPanic001: lol, you and snap-l with those early gift giving sig. others
[14:30] <brousch> i gave my wife her music gift early because she was moving a bunch of other music around
[14:30] <ColonelPanic001> My gf doesn't have hers yet because I don't plan nearly that far ahead.
[14:37] <Wolfger> ColonelPanic001: How do you like the Fire? I've heard not-good things about it in the major media. Glad I decided to ask for a Touch.
[14:38] <ColonelPanic001> I may not be as picky as others.
[14:38] <ColonelPanic001> I've only used it a little so far
[14:38] <snap-l> Good morning
[14:38] <ColonelPanic001> but i have no major complaints yet
[14:38] <rick_h__> ColonelPanic001: software update out today I saw that should help some
[14:38] <rick_h__> snap-l: morning
[14:38] <brousch> ColonelPanic001: you use kde. you are used to things not working exactly right ;)
[14:38] <ColonelPanic001> Shush, you. >:-|
[14:43] <Wolfger> brousch--
[14:43] <rick_h__> ouch
[14:43] <rick_h__> kde flamebait
[14:43] <Wolfger> Using KDE means we're used to being able to make things do exactly what we want them to do. :-p
[14:44] <Wolfger> ...just as soon as we find the right config option
[14:44] <rick_h__> psh, that's only true if you've commited a new config setting patch to a kde app
[14:44] <rick_h__> otherwise, you're just using it how others want you to :P
[14:46] <brousch> i'm getting bit by this damn bug http://askubuntu.com/questions/75657/struggles-to-connect-to-network-when-using-wpa-with-a-bcm43225
[14:48] <brousch> i had that on my main laptop with 11.04, part of the reason i dropped back to 10.04 then
[14:49] <Wolfger> There doesn't seem to be any clear line of demarcation between what is a question for AskUbuntu and what is a bug for Launchpad...
[14:49] <Wolfger> Which I think is a very bad thing.
[14:53] <brousch> well the askubuntu links to more info, including the bug on launchpad
[16:08] <krondor> rick_h__:  did you get your nexus?
[16:09] <rick_h__> krondor: yep :)
[16:09] <rick_h__> few of us got one. Official android of the channel perhaps heh
[16:09] <krondor> no doubt, how is it?  No problems?
[16:10] <rick_h__> it's got some + and some -
[16:10] <rick_h__> picked up my dinc today and can't believe I lived on that screen
[16:10] <rick_h__> speed, browser, ICS is nice
[16:11] <rick_h__> battery, bottom headphone port yuck
[16:11] <krondor> that's an odd choice
[16:11] <rick_h__> love the larger screen for email and google reader browsing
[16:11] <rick_h__> I really need the extended battery and a nice desk dock, but they're not really available
[16:12] <rick_h__> camera is a can of meh as well
[16:12] <rick_h__> it's very fast at taking blurry out of focus pictures so far
[16:12] <krondor> really?  I've heard most of the reviews loving the camera (well at least the fast shutter)
[16:12] <rick_h__> so it seems if you just hit the camera button it doesn't focus first
[16:12] <rick_h__> so you have to click to focus, wait for that and then snap
[16:13] <rick_h__> but *any* hand movement and it's back to ugh
[16:13] <rick_h__> tried an hdr app that's nice for still things
[16:13] <rick_h__> pictures look much better, but needs three shots
[16:13] <rick_h__> so doesn't work for the boy on his birthday for instance
[16:13] <rick_h__> come out to CHC, you can play with it some if you want
[16:13] <krondor> kids don't seem to work with any phone camera in my experience, they just keep moving.
[16:14] <rick_h__> Blazeix: your camera experience any better?
[16:14] <rick_h__> yea, but that's a big use case for me I guess
[16:14] <rick_h__> hell, it's 99% use case for me and a camera phone
[16:14] <krondor> I can't tonight, Emily has her boards exam, I need to make it to the next one though.  I have some stuff I'm playing with and I can bring the hacked fire for show/tell
[16:14] <rick_h__> nice
[16:14] <rick_h__> but yea, overall liking the upgrade a lot
[16:15] <krondor> and the working gps ;)
[16:15] <rick_h__> wasn't sure on the larger phone, but browsing, youtube, email, much much niver
[16:15] <rick_h__> nicer*
[16:15] <rick_h__> lol, gps is good
[16:15] <rick_h__> one of those things I don't use much though, especially with the battery life
[16:19] <krondor> that's because you need this still for daily gps; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w7TgFmP74I&feature=player_embedded
[16:20] <krondor> I guess the one vzw is selling is a cheap dock, the EU dock is awesome so people are importing it
[16:20] <rick_h__> the problem is that they don't use the touch contacts for the car mode
[16:20] <rick_h__> yea, the docks right now suck
[16:20] <krondor> yeah the one in the video has the contacts for car mode and usb/audio pass through
[16:20] <rick_h__> ooh, that one is nice. Plugs into the dock vs the phone
[16:21] <rick_h__> hmm, wonder if it'd fit the LTE version with an extended battery
[16:22] <rick_h__> still on pre-order *sigh*
[16:34] <brousch> bah, this is discouraging http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11401714&postcount=4
[16:41] <greg-g> what? something from Ubuntu Forums is discouraging? Say it ain't so!
[16:42] <ColonelPanic001> anyone know why moonlight appears to have been in the repo for oneiric, and now it's gone?
[16:43] <rick_h__> moved to universe/multiverse?
[16:44] <brousch> moved to diaf?
[16:45] <_stink_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/moon/+bug/890167
[16:45] <_stink_> ColonelPanic001: --^
[16:46] <ColonelPanic001> thanks
[16:46] <ColonelPanic001> I'll have to subscribe
[16:49] <greg-g> that _stink_ always good at the googles
[16:50] <_stink_> what's google?  i just typed in random urls until i found something.
[16:50] <_stink_> ColonelPanic001: also, maybe ask in #ubuntu-motu - from http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/moonlight-plugin-mozilla it looks like that MOTU team officially maintained the natty package.
[17:18] <rick_h__> oh yay! http://techcrunch.com/2011/12/21/steve-jobs-memorial-statue-unveiled-in-budapest
[17:18] <rick_h__> jcastro: road trip!
[17:19] <_stink_> hah
[17:20] <rick_h__> krondor: oh yea, and the lack of a hardware "menu" button to hold down to show/hide the keyboard is driving me batty!
[17:22] <jcastro> I miss the dedicated search button
[17:22] <jcastro> why would they remove that
[17:23] <rick_h__> I didn't use that much I guess. I tend to go the to app I want vs search
[17:23] <jcastro> rick_h__: what'ts your issue with the battery and headphone jack?
[17:23] <rick_h__> jcastro: so battery is battery life. I can't make it a full day of use
[17:23] <jcastro> oh
[17:23] <rick_h__> plugging it in at the desk is a pain since the port is on the bottom
[17:23] <jcastro> LTE?
[17:23] <rick_h__> your phone is upside down on your desk
[17:23] <rick_h__> and it won't rotate upside down, only the other three directions
[17:23] <jcastro> oh
[17:24] <rick_h__> jcastro: yea, but it's been turned off since I got it home
[17:24] <jcastro> so you basically need the sideways thing
[17:24] <rick_h__> just seems I use it a lot
[17:24] <jcastro> which I need too
[17:24] <rick_h__> jcastro: yea, for my desk, but can't find them yet here state side
[17:24] <jcastro> my battery has been pretty amazing for an android
[17:24] <jcastro> which doesn't say much
[17:24] <jcastro> but it's not that bad
[17:24] <jcastro> I can go a day easy
[17:24] <rick_h__> I had that double battery on my incredible
[17:24] <jcastro> ahhh
[17:24] <rick_h__> forget thick, but I could beat on that thing with open irc all day
[17:24] <jcastro> they make an official huge one for yours
[17:25] <rick_h__> yea, but it's only 250ma more, not 2x
[17:25] <rick_h__> and I can't find it yet
[17:25] <jcastro> oh lame
[17:25] <rick_h__> not on the verizon site and such
[17:25] <jcastro> I can't find the dock for mine either, I guess I'm waiting
[17:25] <rick_h__> yea, exactly
[17:25] <jcastro> I might have a coworker pick one up
[17:25] <rick_h__> but yea, the headphone port on the bottom means I end up flipping the thing around too much
[17:25] <rick_h__> plugged it into my desk speakers, upside down phone.
[17:26] <jcastro> oh I see
[17:26] <jcastro> is it your music player?
[17:26] <rick_h__> it's not *horrible* but it's a little off
[17:26] <rick_h__> yea, 100%
[17:26] <jcastro> yeah so I realized this
[17:26] <jcastro> because I want to do this with my transformer
[17:26] <jcastro> we need an android app that can zeroconf
[17:27] <jcastro> so we can use the phone and stuff to do music
[17:27] <jcastro> but it outputs to zeroconf to your PC
[17:27] <rick_h__> hmmm, maybe
[17:27] <jcastro> basically pulseaudio output for android
[17:28] <rick_h__> airplay stuff?
[17:28] <jcastro> just normal zeroconf
[17:28] <jcastro> you can do it linux to linux easily
[17:28] <jcastro> for like, the past 5 years at least
[17:28] <jcastro> we used to do it at OU
[17:28] <rick_h__> gotcha, yea I don't use it much at all
[17:28] <jcastro> one PC with nice speakers, everyone else in the office just DJs and the music comes out of one place.
[17:28] <rick_h__> zeroconf IM/bzr hosting was really the extend
[17:28] <jcastro> using their local players
[17:29] <rick_h__> yea, I just went cloud on my music and my phone is the master of it all
[17:29] <rick_h__> have a series of speakers around the house I plug into as aux input
[17:29] <jcastro> right
[17:29] <rick_h__> desk speakers, portable speakers, grace audio player upstairs, another radio in my workshop
[17:33] <rick_h__> jcastro: let me know if you get a dock.
[17:33] <jcastro> as soon as I can buy one
[17:34] <rick_h__> yea, just mean let me know when you find one you can get.  I never heard of that band
[17:36] <_stink_> lulz
[17:36] <snap-l> sitti g rulez
[17:36] <Wolfger> Sounds like rap
[17:37] <snap-l> not to be confused with sitti ng
[17:37] <snap-l> the next generation of sitti
[17:37] <_stink_> sitti g is ali g's sister
[17:38] <snap-l> feh
[17:38] <krondor> so there's CM9s killer feature for rick_h__ 360 degree screen rotation
[17:39] <rick_h__> krondor: yea, definitely thought of that today
[17:39] <krondor> dave and buster's!  wednesday is double play tokens right?  I think I'm going next week.
[17:39] <rick_h__> especially with the soft buttons, even better. They can rotate with me
[17:52] <brousch> someone here was asking for that audio server for android thing too
[17:53] <brousch> rick_h_: can't you make a dock in your workshop?
[17:53] <brousch> Rick's Classy Wood Docks
[17:53] <rick_h__> brousch: :P
[17:53] <brousch> what? i'm serious
[17:55] <krondor> brousch++ that
[17:56] <greg-g> I smell a loco-wide christmas present idea!!
[17:56] <greg-g> "You get a.... Rick's Classy Wood Dock! And you! And you! And you! And you!"
[17:56] <brousch> does the detroit hackerspace have those 3D printer things?
[17:56] <greg-g> I would sure hope so
[17:57] <greg-g> if they didn't, they must return their hackerspace name
[17:57] <brousch> i don't think the geek group has them
[17:57] <brousch> they have really big lathes and such
[17:57] <rick_h__> yea, they're pricey
[17:58] <brousch> rep-rap
[17:59] <rick_h__> vim :TOhtml ftw!
[17:59] <greg-g> the rep rap is pricey? Only if you buy it pre-made!
[18:04] <krondor> brousch:  i3Detroit has a makerbot and I think a rep-rap too
[18:05] <brousch> well start pumping out the nexus docks and sell them!
[18:05] <krondor> whether both are functional lol is always the question
[18:05] <greg-g> haha
[18:11] <brousch> but if they break, you just print up a replacement part
[18:11] <brousch> wait a minute, if the printer is broken you can't print a replacement part
[18:11] <rick_h__> a nice walnut dock would be sweet, but I like the idea of the dock with the built in audio/charge pass through like that car dock krondor linked
[18:12] <brousch> glue in some cables
[18:22] <brousch> rick_h__: what cloud are using for music?
[18:23] <rick_h__> brousch: amazon
[18:23] <rick_h__> that and pandora
[18:23] <rick_h__> since things like roku/grace audio player support my pandora stations
[18:24] <brousch> amazon cloud player via a web browser?
[18:26] <brousch> google music has been annoying me by not syncing all my .flac
[18:26] <rick_h__> brousch: I do some, but often via my phone
[18:27] <rick_h__> the other thing I do a ton of is audible listening and can't do that on anything but my phone since there's no audible client for linux
[18:27] <rick_h__> and it doesn't whispersync so don't want to listen in mulitple places anyway
[18:28] <brousch> i can't do audiobooks. i have too manypodcasts already
[18:28] <rick_h__> I dropped podcasts, only a couple a week
[18:28] <rick_h__> but I've been doing 3-5 books a month this year
[18:29] <rick_h__> 39 books going back to last Nov it looks like
[18:29] <brousch> all of the python/django podcasts died
[18:29] <rick_h__> but 4 of those are kids books I got recently
[18:29] <rick_h__> yea, I thought I saw an episode of the new python one last month
[18:30] <brousch> there was one episode of a new one, but it hasn't done anything else
[18:30] <brousch> had interviews with guido and the gang
[18:31] <rick_h__> yea, thought they had 3 or 4 episodes
[18:32] <rick_h__> but the audio book stuff is 90% *fun*
[18:32] <brousch> python is fun!
[18:32] <rick_h__> I got to where I read technicaly stuff on the kindle and moved all the fiction to audio
[18:32] <rick_h__> works nice since I can do audio books while cleaning the kitchen, vacuuming, etc
[18:33] <brousch> that's like 10 minutes
[18:33] <brousch> amazon cloud drive rejected my flac
[18:33] <rick_h__> meh, commute time, cleaning time, shower time (via speaker), workout time.
[18:34] <rick_h__> like I said, I manage to find 10ish hours a week i'd guess
[18:34] <rick_h__> brousch: yea, not sure if it supports that
[18:36] <brousch> looks like it took the second one
[18:37] <brousch> is there a file size limit?
[18:37] <rick_h__> no idea, I've only uploaded a few albums of mp3
[18:37] <rick_h__> mostly I just buy stuff/stream from them
[18:53] <krondor> brousch:  I noticed that about google music, any idea why it seems to like some flac and not others?
[18:54] <brousch> i think i found an answer a while ago but forgot it
[18:55] <krondor> I hear ubuntuone is quite slick on android, but I'm cheap and haven't paid yet.
[18:57] <rick_h__> yea, I keep meaning to give it a shot
[18:57] <rick_h__> but I'm awful at getting something working and then holding still
[19:02] <brousch> $4/mo is hard to justify when google music is free
[19:02] <brousch> and amazon is < $2/mo
[19:03] <rick_h__> yea, now that they have streaming of songs I need to see if it can replace pandora for me
[19:03] <rick_h__> if so, then that saves me a couple of $ a mon
[19:06] <brousch> amazon streaming or u1?
[19:08] <rick_h__> U1
[19:09] <rick_h__> snap-l: http://glyphobet.net/store/dice/ last minute stocking stuffers
[19:12] <brousch> my problems would probably go away if i'd re-encode my flac to mp3
[19:14] <krondor> but that sucks, you have songs twice or you have lower quality.
[19:15] <krondor> I wonder if the uploaders for these services would work fine against mp3fs on fuse
[19:34] <brousch> amazon took my flac uploads, but doesn't see them as music
[19:35] <brousch> google music refuses to upload about 5% of my flac
[19:37] <brousch> maybe u1 is worth $4/mo
[19:41] <brousch> fail
[19:42] <brousch> submit credit card ->  Internal Server Error
[19:42] <krondor> damnit now I'm all curious so I know what I'm doing when I'm home.. testing flac/sync
[19:43] <brousch> krondor: it seems random. it misses files on the same album, which means they were generated with the same settings and tags
[19:47] <brousch> ok, credit card worked the second time. if i get billed twice rick_h_ gets his legs broken because he's my closest canonical rep
[19:49] <Wolfger> *sigh*  Two years, and this is not yet done... https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=217950
[19:52] <rick_h__> oh lovely, glad to be of assistance brousch
[19:53] <brousch> doesn't it feel good to be working for the man?
[19:53] <rick_h__> heh, definitely
[19:55] <Wolfger> Oh, right, rick_h__ works for Canonical now. Somebody else I can bitch to about Kubuntu being a blue-headed step-child. :-)
[19:56] <brousch> wait the streaming plan is separate from the music plan?
[19:57] <brousch> oh wait, now it showed up
[20:02] <brousch> and now i experience ubuntuone's legendary upload speed
[20:04] <Wolfger> heh
[20:07] <brousch> this could use some updating https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/MusicStore
[20:12] <brousch> hmmmm https://one.ubuntu.com/help/faq/what-audio-formats-are-supported/
[20:12] <brousch> mp3 aac and ogg
[20:12] <brousch> so syncing my flac is futile
[20:13] <brousch> so are all of these services fail or am i unreasonable?
[20:31] <krondor> so Google Music is the only service that actually will sync flac?  Just not well.
[20:31] <brousch> right
[20:31] <brousch> i give up
[20:32] <krondor> you'd think U1 would flac being an open codec
[20:32] <brousch> re-encoding my flac to 320kbps mp3
[20:38] <brousch> amazon is the least useful since it doesn't sync files
[20:38] <brousch> google syncs for free
[20:40] <brousch> u1 streams at the bitrate of your files, google adjusts based on your internet speed
[20:41] <brousch> google's approach makes more sense to me
[20:49] <brousch> i should blog this
[20:57] <greg-g> brousch: "Thinking about getting that special geek of yours a subscription to a music streaming service, PLZ READ THIS FIRST!"
[20:58] <brousch> heh
[21:22] <snap-l> rick_h__: Math dice?
[21:23] <snap-l> I <3 my old job
[21:24] <snap-l> they're trying to get me to work the last two days of the year since someone won't be able to cover for me.
[21:24] <snap-l> Half-tempted to say "figure it out", and half-tempted to say "sure, I could use the money over the vacation days".
[21:28] <_stink_> when have you/will you have officially left?
[21:29] <snap-l> 1/1/2012
[21:30] <snap-l> but I have Vacation time to burn
[21:30] <snap-l> Ah well, I have some time to think about it
[21:30] <snap-l> I'm on vacation today. Shouldn't even be reading work e-mail. :)
[21:30] <_stink_> hehe
[21:33] <brousch> wonderful. all of my music is syncing to U1 as unknown artist, unknown album. only the track name survives
[21:55] <rick_h__> snap-l: don't think the wife would like it?
[23:37] <snap-l> rick_h__: Not sure
[23:37] <snap-l> brousch: Frankly, I didn't have good luck with U1 music on my iPhone
[23:38] <snap-l> I didn't see why paying $5 per month for the privilege of getting one song to play per session
[23:40] <brousch> it is not impressing me
[23:41] <snap-l> Yeah, same here
[23:41] <brousch> i think google music is the best
[23:43] <brousch> and i'm back on kde. i got tired of having to hibernate because suspend is broken


[05:40] <doko> tmarble: finally emailed my issues to the openjdk list
[05:40] <tmarble> i'm replying atm
[07:37] <scottslinux> nobody home?


[20:58] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop amd64 [Xenial 16.04.2] has been updated (20170215)
[23:42] <wxl> tsimonq2: fyi i386 is STILL rebuilding. that doesn't seem right
[23:43] <tsimonq2> wxl: Eek, thanks for the heads up.
[23:43] <wxl> tsimonq2: when you get that fixed might just ping the ML and request additional testing. maybe don't mention the smoketesting and maybe we'll get a whole new set of updates :)
[23:45] <wxl> tsimonq2: you know where to find the build logs, right?
[23:46] <wxl> if anyone wants to get started testing new 16.04.2 images we have one up for amd64. i386 coming soon
[23:47] <wxl> ^^ lynorian
[23:47] <wxl> ?
[23:47]  * lynorian has done a live session of amd64 already
[23:48] <wxl> lynorian: thx :)
[23:51] <wxl> in all reality that's probably the only one that matters if all we're getting is HWE
[23:53] <lynorian> yeah and I tested that with some of my newest hardware for the live session.
[23:54] <wxl> nice
[23:54] <wxl> you get some new toys?
[23:54] <lynorian> well I got it last year and it works with foss drivers now out of the box
[23:54] <wxl> nice :)
[23:54] <lynorian> nvidia gtx 960 but then the 1060 came out soon after
[23:55] <lynorian> plays f1 2015 well enough
[23:55] <wxl> you got the new card or did that come with a larger system?
[23:56] <lynorian> new card I built this system so I could make vms not glacial ie have vt-x which has resulted in my massive amount of testcases
[23:58] <tsimonq2> wxl: yep sec
[23:59] <wxl> nice!
[23:59] <wxl> how did you survive without vt-x??????
[23:59] <wxl> wow if you did all that testing that you did do without that, i owe you a massive debt of gratitude :)


 His solution was to cut it out. He has two of them.
[07:23] <Kilos> sjoe
[07:23] <Trixar_za> And when I say cut out, it's the whole panel in the 3G modem that covers the sim
[07:23] <Kilos> oh my goodness
[07:23] <Trixar_za> His reasoning was it didn't work anyway, so it didn't matter
[07:23] <Kilos> hahaha
[07:23] <Trixar_za> It works. I'm using it now.
[07:23] <Trixar_za> Had to fashion a panel from tape, but it works
[07:25] <Trixar_za> This poor thing has survived a trip through the wash and no blatent destruction
[07:25] <Kilos> lol
[07:27] <Trixar_za> I also think he's younger than you Kilos - lol :P
[07:27] <Kilos> hahaha
[07:27] <Kilos> not everyone is practical
[07:27] <Trixar_za> Why he couldn't just have used a precision set's mini flat screw driver, I don't know :/
[07:28] <Kilos> modems can be rather frustrating at times when it comes to changing sims
[07:29] <Trixar_za> Yeah. The sim looks like a dog got hold of it though
[07:29] <Kilos> lol
[09:21] <inetpro> Trixar_za: take a photo
[09:21] <inetpro> good mornings
[09:21] <Kilos> morning inetpro
[10:06] <Trixar_za> inetpro: http://tinypic.com/r/eqwl0i/8
[10:07] <inetpro> Trixar_za: yikes!
[10:08] <Trixar_za> Was a slight pain to get a makeshift cover thing going
[10:09] <Trixar_za> But luckly I just slid in two thin bits of cardboard under the remaining parts. Then I just put some tape on top of it to keep it pressed down.
[10:15] <inetpro> Vivid will switch to booting with systemd next Monday, brace for impact
[10:16] <inetpro> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2015-March/001130.html
[10:16] <inetpro> sad day
[10:17] <Trixar_za> This is why I like that SliTaz used Busybox's init
[10:18] <Trixar_za> liked*
[10:18] <inetpro> probably means I will have to start looking into systemd
[10:33] <Squirm> Hello
[10:34] <Squirm> ThatGraemeGuy ?
[10:34] <Squirm> Hekk
[10:34] <Squirm> Hello
[10:34] <Squirm> Maaz: coffee on
[10:34]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[10:34] <Squirm> Maaz: large
[10:34] <Maaz> In a beer mug just for you Squirm
[10:34]  * Squirm pokes Trixar_za
[10:34] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[10:34] <Trixar_za> Hey Squirm
[10:34] <Trixar_za> You see the pic?
[10:35] <Trixar_za> http://tinypic.com/r/eqwl0i/8
[10:35] <Trixar_za> :P
[10:35] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy  got no telkom lines again
[10:35] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee please
[10:35] <Maaz> Kilos: Alrighty
[10:35] <Squirm> Nice one Trixar_za
[10:35] <Trixar_za> My dad did that. With scissors
[10:35] <Squirm> Ah
[10:35] <Squirm> But why>
[10:35] <Squirm> ?
[10:35] <Squirm> Kilos: ok
[10:36] <Trixar_za> He thought it was broken and the microsim got loose from the container card thing
[10:37] <Trixar_za> So instead of using a precision flat, he cut it open
[10:38] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Squirm and Kilos!
[10:38] <Squirm> ^^
[10:38] <Kilos> Maaz  danke
[10:38] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[10:38] <Squirm> Trixar_za: nice :P
[10:39] <Trixar_za> Got it to work again. I think I'm keeping it. He also just did it for the free 100MB he gets per month on the sim, but he hurt the sim in the extraction process
[10:44] <magellanic> inetpro: you prefer upstart then :p
[10:47] <Trixar_za> upstart is great :P
[10:51] <Squirm> I prefer upstart
[10:52] <Squirm> But I still feel Ubuntu is kind of mixed between the two :/
[10:53] <magellanic> well they're switching over to systemd
[11:07] <inetpro> magellanic: I like it when I can inspect the scripts for myself whenever I want
[11:07] <inetpro> and tweak if really necessary
[11:09] <inetpro> but it's a mixed bag, let's see how it goes with systemd
[11:09] <inetpro> will be interesting
[11:11] <inetpro> I just hope that freedom will still prevail in the end
[11:29] <Kilos> hi mopkop
[11:29] <mopkop> Hello everyone!
[11:45] <Squirm> Has anyone got anything interesting running on their free Amazon ec2 instance?
[12:04] <magespawn> good afternoon
[12:04] <Maaz> magespawn: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell magespawn http://www.zdnet.com/article/companies-really-want-linux-savvy-employees-and-they-want-them-now/" 2 days, 2 hours, 38 minutes and 2 seconds ago
[12:08] <mopkop> Hello magespawn!
[12:09] <Kilos> ohi magespawn
[12:33] <mopkop> What do you think? http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2015/03/02/jihadi-john-tried-to-enter-sa
[13:02] <captine> hi all..
[13:12] <Kilos> hi captine
[13:16] <captine> hey  there.  how things going?
[13:16] <captine> be away a while
[13:16] <Kilos> yeah where did you go
[13:20] <captine> daughter was born... been tired...
[13:20] <Kilos> oh ya , congrats man
[13:21] <captine> thnx
[13:27] <magespawn> nice one captine
[14:04] <magespawn> exit
[14:18] <Kilos> hi arnaudmez
[14:19] <arnaudmez> hi Kilo
[14:19] <arnaudmez> hi Kilos
[14:19] <Kilos> hi gremble_
[14:19] <gremble_> hey arnaudmez
[14:20] <arnaudmez> hi gremble_:
[14:20] <gremble_> Hello Kilos
[14:33] <magellanic> congrats captine
[14:33] <magellanic> inetpro: understandable, I like the idea though, of a binary only boot process, no slow shelly things :p
[14:34] <magellanic> Squirm: there's a free instance offering now?
[15:24] <Squirm> magellanic: Yes
[15:25] <Squirm> you get the t2.micro for a year
[15:25] <Squirm> Very basic
[15:25] <Squirm> But free none-the-less
[15:25] <Squirm> anyway, I'm out. Enjoy the evenenings
[15:25] <magellanic> you too, enjoy
[16:38] <Kilos> hi Private_User  superfly
[16:38] <Private_User> hi Kilos
[16:41] <Private_User> so Kilos, did you get kicked out of the channel you created?
[16:41] <Private_User> hehe
[16:41] <Private_User> Kilos:  i.e. ##ubuntu-za-social?
[16:41] <Kilos> oh my
[16:42] <Private_User> I never see you on there Kilos
[16:42] <Kilos> ya i was low on data so closed some down and didnt activate them again when data came
[16:42] <Private_User> ah ok
[16:43] <Kilos> its only us that ever chats there
[16:43] <Kilos> i have #ubuntu-locoteams and #ubuntu-africa open all the time too
[16:44] <Kilos> i had actually forgotten about it al together
[16:48] <Private_User> get this package I have the 200Giga from CellC it comes with 50GB peak data and 150GB nite surfer(00:00 - 06:00) valid for 12 months so all this is once of you will have to manage the data usage cause if you go wild and start downloading like crazy and finish before the end of 365 days then you will have to buy another and its like R1799 once off but there is another one with 100GB once of any time data valid for 365 days but
[16:48] <Private_User> OI guess the only issue is the fund to purchase the package
[16:49] <Kilos> yeah
[16:49] <Kilos> i use a telkom 2+1 every 2 months
[16:49] <Kilos> i dont download stuff
[16:49] <Private_User> but it serves the purpose for me I download stuff as well during Nite Surfing time
[16:49] <Kilos> lol
[16:50] <Kilos> i have been too busy trying to learn bzr and nikola to build static sites with
[16:50] <Private_User> ah ok I guess if you do not download stuff and just browse the net check emails and maybe chat online then what you have is not too bad
[16:51] <Kilos> na R149 every 2 months is good for me
[16:51] <Kilos> i use my upgrading with the night surfer
[16:51] <Private_User> ok
[16:52] <Private_User> ok cool
[17:48] <inetpro> wb barrydk
[17:49] <inetpro> ai!
[17:50] <inetpro> Stormers 10 - 10 Sharks
[17:50] <Kilos> ya
[17:51] <inetpro> tough game
[17:51] <Kilos> ya them cape oks woken up ththis year
[18:03] <barrydk> Hi everyone
[18:03] <Kilos> hi barrydk
[18:43] <Kilos> ai! 26/13. kaapenare eet ons
[18:45]  * inetpro keeps quiet about rugby
[18:45] <Kilos> haha
 Stormers 10 - 10 Sharks  ???
[18:46] <inetpro> not having a good weekend with my teams
[18:46] <Kilos> you bang they ungeek you?
[18:46] <Kilos> ah
[18:47] <Kilos> ai!
[18:48] <Kilos> no time to catch up with 14 players
[18:49] <inetpro> more salt in the wound
[18:49] <Kilos> yeah
[18:50] <inetpro> it hurts man
[18:50] <Kilos> i know it burns like hell
[18:50] <Kilos> better to look at the cheerleaders
[18:52] <Kilos> ai!
[18:52] <Kilos> back to the drawing board
[18:52] <inetpro> need a different team
[18:53] <Kilos> no man the team is good but the sjambok is too min
[18:54] <Kilos> oi
[18:55] <inetpro> I don't talk about it
[18:57] <Kilos> haha
[18:58] <Kilos> ive even forgotten how to craft things in minetest
[18:59] <Kilos> if i try work the team reports and break something can you fix it inetpro  ?
[19:00] <Kilos> doesnt seem like neelsie is gonna get to it
[19:00] <inetpro> which link?
[19:00] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/TeamReports
[19:03] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:03] <inetpro> go for it
[19:03] <Kilos> many months with no reports
[19:03] <Kilos> sad
[19:08] <inetpro> ai!
[19:08] <inetpro> the wiki is superslow!
[19:08] <Kilos> ya
[19:08] <Kilos> gave up with opera , chrome goes into edit mode quick
[19:09] <inetpro> serious!?
[19:09] <Kilos> ya
[19:09] <Kilos> 15 secs and in
[19:12] <inetpro> don't think it has anything to do with the browser
[19:12] <Kilos> i have no idea
[19:13] <Kilos> but chrome is much faster in the wiki
[19:13] <Kilos> here by me anyway
[19:13] <Kilos> ive already added a bit and saved
[19:14] <Kilos> going back to edit now
[19:14] <Kilos> in
[19:14] <Kilos> very fast
[19:15] <Kilos> maybe its because my opera has 20 tabs open
[19:21] <inetpro> it's all about the timing
[19:21] <inetpro> sometimes you be lucky, other time less so
[19:21] <Kilos> ok
[19:22] <Kilos> my opera was still trying after 5 mins when chrome just went in
[19:22] <Kilos> so what was blocking opera
[19:22] <inetpro> Kilos: wait
[19:22] <inetpro> you're doing it wrong
[19:23] <Kilos> ya i see sometrhing funny happening there
[19:23] <Kilos> does it add each month on its own
[19:23] <inetpro> FullSearchCached(title:ZATeam/TeamReports/14 goes and effectively pulls in 2014 reports
[19:24] <inetpro> so you don't actua;;y modify ZATeam/TeamReports
[19:24] <Kilos> oh so do you just make one for feb under current
[19:24] <inetpro> actually
[19:24] <inetpro> modify ZATeam/TeamReports/14
[19:24] <inetpro> modify ZATeam/TeamReports/15
[19:25] <Kilos> huh both of them?
[19:25] <inetpro> no sorry
[19:25] <inetpro> last one
[19:25] <inetpro> wb SubOracle
[19:25] <inetpro> oops
[19:25] <Kilos> lol
[19:25] <inetpro> wb superfly
[19:25] <Kilos> wb superfly
[19:26] <inetpro> Kilos: I will undo your edit
[19:26] <superfly> ta
[19:26] <superfly> data centre maintenance - all the hosts needed a reboot
[19:26] <Kilos> ty i see it adds minutes there on its own
[19:27] <Kilos> i was worrying about where to go find them
[19:27] <Kilos> while you there add jan too please
[19:29] <inetpro> ok
[19:29] <Kilos> ty
[19:29] <magellanic> greets
[19:29] <magellanic> superfly: sounds like aws reboots? :p
[19:30] <Kilos> hi magellanic  why dont you volunteer for team reports man
[19:30] <magellanic> I see Dale's video was featured by google-developers on g+ :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uIUBnmWD9Y
[19:30] <magellanic> Kilos: what's that?
[19:30] <Kilos> magellanic  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/TeamReports#preview
[19:31] <Kilos> im too old for all this new stuff
[19:32] <magellanic> I have nothing to report Kilos :p
[19:32] <Kilos> hahaha
[19:33] <Kilos> every month after our meetings man
[19:33] <inetpro> Kilos: it's actually much easier than I thought
[19:34] <magellanic> too lazy for that Kilos :p
[19:34] <Kilos> thats good inetpro  , the job is yours now
[19:34] <Kilos> nono magellanic  we not allowed to be lazy when it comes to ubuntu team stuff
[19:35] <magellanic> I also don't lik,e wiki's in general :/
[19:35] <magellanic> like*
[19:35] <Kilos> who does
[19:35] <superfly> magellanic: no, Linode. There was some Xen thingie they needed to do
[19:36] <superfly> http://status.linode.com/incidents/2dyvn29ds5mz
[19:36] <magellanic> security patches I guess
[19:36] <superfly> magellanic: did you see that Dale's interviewy thing is up on YouTube?
[19:37] <superfly> gah, didn't see you mention it earlier... hehe
[19:37] <magellanic> yes, google-developers featured it on g+
[19:37] <magellanic> :)
[19:37] <superfly> NN is going to media-bomb it on Monday
[19:37] <magellanic> lol
[19:37] <magellanic> nice
[19:38] <magellanic> I'll reshare it on gdg cape towns page too
[19:38] <superfly> It was really funny, as Dale was talking, I knew exactly *who* he was referencing :-)
[19:38] <superfly> magellanic: did you ever see his ScaleConf 2013 talk ?
[19:39] <magellanic> hahah
[19:39] <magellanic> very cool
[19:39] <magellanic> we're planning on doing more of those type vids
[19:39] <superfly> yeah
[19:40] <superfly> It looked good, but was rather disjointed
[19:40] <magellanic> first one :p we'll improve..
[19:40] <superfly> if you're going to ask questions, even if the interviewer is off-camera, at least make it audible
[19:41] <superfly> if you don't want to, rather fade between
[19:41] <superfly> also, put a table in front of the person, they will naturally lean forward. Dale is leaning back the whole time
[19:41] <superfly> looks very weird
[19:41] <magellanic> noted
[19:41] <magellanic> ;)
[19:42] <superfly> also, it looks weird that he's looking directly at the camera the whole time (and it makes him visibly uneasy)
[19:42] <superfly> another reason to actually have the interviewer "around" even if not visible
[19:42] <magellanic> yeah I was thinking two people sit, even if one says nothing, then the talker can glance between
[19:42] <superfly> ja
[19:42] <magellanic> yeah true
[19:43] <magellanic> superfly: yes I was in the audience when he talked for scaleconf
[19:43] <superfly> cool I was comparing the two
[19:43] <magellanic> I was very impressed with his scaleconf talk, at the time
[19:44] <inetpro> cool!
[19:44] <magellanic> can't remember though, it was quite long ago :p
[19:44] <superfly> initially he was more relaxed with this one, but in the ScaleConf talk he started nervous but really got into the swing of things
[19:44] <magellanic> yeah
[19:44] <inetpro> Kilos: even the upstream TeamReport is automagic
[19:44] <inetpro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TeamReports/February2015#South_African_Ubuntu_team
[19:44] <magellanic> I talked with another gde at scaleconf this year, same story, started nervous, then sort of got into it
[19:44] <superfly> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmMofn2dKhA
[19:45] <superfly> magellanic: yeah, I know ;-)
[19:45] <superfly> it was you and Johan(n)?
[19:45] <Kilos> wow inetpro  thats cool
[19:45] <magellanic> ah, were you there superfly ?
[19:46] <magellanic> me and Alex
[19:46] <superfly> oh right, of course. Alex. I know him through Ingress
[19:46] <superfly> no, I wasn't there. We were offered tickets, but had too much work to do.
[19:47] <magellanic> cool, the talks go up online anyway
[19:47] <superfly> (and most people at ScaleConf seem to talk about "look how much data we have to push through in $time seconds!!1!1!"
[19:47] <magellanic> there were 3-4 good ones, over the 2 days
[19:47] <superfly> and I don't care for that)
[19:47] <magellanic> lol
[19:47] <magellanic> yeah
[19:48] <magellanic> I went just the one day too
[19:49] <superfly> Etsy's talk is really good, though they just reuse it for every conference they go to. So I'd already seen it online before ScaleConf 2013
[19:50] <superfly> then there was Dale's, which I helped put together ;-)
[19:50] <magellanic> yeah
[19:50] <magellanic> nice one :)
[19:50] <magellanic> etsy was there this year too, not sure they talked or not, I wasn't there second day
[19:51] <barrydk> Lekker slaap almal
[19:53] <Kilos> inetpro  are you done?
[20:02] <Kilos> leave a message with maaz
[20:02] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:04] <inetpro> Maaz: tell Kilos yes
[20:04] <Maaz> inetpro: Sure, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[21:57] <magespawn> /exit
[22:04] <Squirm> meh
[22:04] <Squirm> Maaz: tell magespawn that he is up too late
[22:04] <Maaz> Squirm: Righto, I'll tell magespawn on freenode
[22:14] <inetpro> /exit?
[22:15] <inetpro> ai!
[22:15] <inetpro> good night