[08:03] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:39] <pa> hi
[10:39] <pa> i read only now the great news
[10:39] <pa> launcher movable at last!
[10:39] <pa> so i was wondering
[10:39] <pa> will also the trash icon be (re)movable?
[10:40] <lordievader> Oeeh, is it actually movable now?
[10:42] <pa> no
[10:42] <pa> but i see in 16.04 it's a feature
[10:42] <pa> (movable launcher bar)
[10:43] <lordievader> Hmm, well that took its time...
[10:46] <pa> no shit! i bet it does take time to move a bar :)
[10:46] <pa> not that it will be enough to make unity usable
[10:46] <pa> but it's a start
[11:05] <lordievader> Hehe, no. :p
[14:06] <MonkeyDust> testing Xenial in VMware Player ... installed the new software manager ppa ... when clicking on the 'installed' button, it continues searching forever
[14:12] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: gnome software?
[14:13] <MonkeyDust> yes, completely froze, had to 'reset guest'
[14:13] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: maybe file a bug, but on the specific launchpad of the gnome software ppa page
[14:14] <lotuspsychje> its not officaly in repos i think right?
[14:14] <MonkeyDust> a bug, even for work in progress?
[14:14] <lotuspsychje> sure, the more they know the better
[14:14] <MonkeyDust> and yes, it's not in the repos, but this page asks to help ... http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/01/test-new-ubuntu-16-04-software-center
[14:15] <Daekdroom> MonkeyDust, doesn't the ppa description tell you where to report bugs?
[14:16] <teward> nope heh
[14:18] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust, teward could this be it? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bugs?field.status:list=NEW
[14:20] <MonkeyDust> i read MIR in that post ... never installed MIR, or does it come with 16.04 ?
[14:21] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: well, mir is supposed to be in unity8 and 16.04 will be unity7 by default still
[14:21] <MonkeyDust> oh, detail: it's xubuntu
[14:22] <MonkeyDust> or ubuntu + xfce, don't remember, been playing
[14:23] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: i would try ubuntu-bug gnome-software, see what happens :p
[14:24] <pa> it would be good if at some point all the gnome stuff would be phased out in favor of qt stuff (not necessarily kde)
[14:24] <pa> but at least system components
[14:24] <pa> in my experience they cause nothing but hassles
[14:24] <lotuspsychje> pa: maybe a proposal for #ubuntu-devel ?
[14:25] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: maybe it will add the bug in the right page, from terminal
[14:25] <pa> lotuspsychje, you mean the guys that took until 16.04 to let us relocate the launcher? ;)
[14:26] <lotuspsychje> pa: thats not official yet...ubuntu kylin is experimenting with launcher at bottom right now
[14:26] <pa> not even official? but i read that on an article!
[14:27] <pa> omg
[14:27] <lotuspsychje> pa: its still based on the ppa launcher to bottom...
[14:29] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: how about launching gnome-software from terminal, give you errors?
[14:33] <MonkeyDust> lotuspsychje  the vm itself is dead slow
[14:33] <lotuspsychje> right
[14:33] <MonkeyDust> old hardware, no vl-x
[14:33] <MonkeyDust> vm-x*
[14:42] <lotuspsychje> xenial new kernel in tha house!
[14:43] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic xenial
[14:48] <MonkeyDust> lotuspsychje  yes 4.4.0-2 here too
[14:49] <lotuspsychje> nice
[14:49] <MonkeyDust> anyway, this vm is too slow
[14:49] <lotuspsychje> kk
[19:19] <elhoir> hello again, guys
[19:20] <elhoir> i need help with a problem installing kernels
[19:20] <elhoir> this is the install output
[19:20] <elhoir> http://pastebin.com/fTHv6R4z
[19:20] <elhoir> what may i fix this?
[19:20] <elhoir> how*
[19:23] <genii> !info linux-headers-generic
[19:24] <genii> Follow the keernel mainline intructions to install the headers for the kernel that you manually installed
[19:29] <elhoir> i did
[19:29] <elhoir> but same error
[19:29] <elhoir> so i uninstalled all packages
[19:29] <elhoir> but... now its impossible to get to a normal situation
[19:30] <elhoir> i dont know what to do.... manually reinstalling mainline packages?
[19:40] <genii> elhoir: Try reinstall the stock kernel
[19:41] <elhoir> "stock"?
[19:41] <elhoir> you mean Ubuntu provided?
[19:41] <genii> elhoir: Yes
[19:41] <genii> eg: sudo apt-get install linux-image-generic
[19:41] <elhoir> i did this -- sudo apt-get install linux-generic --reinstall
[19:41] <elhoir> suppose its the same
[19:42] <elhoir> and it didnt work
[19:43] <elhoir> genii, http://pastebin.com/xwv9ZttM
[19:44] <genii> If you have the <IP_ADDRESS>.8 from normal repositories installed, then you can also now install headers for it. eg: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-generic   ...after this and if you have build-essential, then the dkms should be able to install
[19:47] <elhoir> sudo apt-get install build-essential says yes, i have latest version installed
[19:47] <elhoir> now 4.4.0 is the stock kernel
[19:47] <elhoir> ...
[19:50] <genii> elhoir: What says result of: apt-cache policy linux-image-generic
[19:52] <elhoir> genii, http://pastebin.com/U0nhcsqM
[20:01] <genii> !info linux-image-generic
[20:01] <genii> Bot's db seems to be quite out of date now
[20:02] <elhoir> proposed is disabled in my system
[20:02] <elhoir> so 4.4.0-2 should be in main
[20:02] <vooze> Does anyone know/think Nautilus will be patched in 16.04 ? Currently it looks weird with unity because of the "gnome window metacity"
[20:11] <elhoir> genii, any idea? :(
[20:13] <genii> elhoir: try sudo  update-grub  ..and see what kernels it finds
[20:15] <elhoir> genii, http://pastebin.com/5DmZDnBH
[20:18] <genii> elhoir: So <IP_ADDRESS> is currently on. What says result for: apt-cache policy linux-headers-generic
[20:18]  * genii makes more coffee
[20:19] <elhoir> <IP_ADDRESS>.1
[20:19] <elhoir> but different entries
[20:19] <elhoir> see
[20:20] <elhoir> http://pastebin.com/TNFZSfEG
[20:36] <elhoir> ....
[20:36] <elhoir> gennmy system is f**d, isnt it? xD
[20:36] <elhoir> genii, my system is f**d up, isnt it? xD
[20:36] <genii> elhoir: Appears so
[20:37] <genii> elhoir: You have something installed that needs dkms like nvidia proprietary driver or something?
[20:37] <elhoir> virtualbox
[20:37] <elhoir> 5.0.14
[20:38] <elhoir> no propietary GPU drivers
[20:38] <elhoir> (its an AMD system)
[20:39] <elhoir> (an old one, HD5145, no linux propietary drivers for that)
[20:39] <genii> I think stalled dkms install might be screwing up the headers install. could try purge dkms and then install headers
[20:41] <elhoir> i realized i have acpi-call-dlms installed
[20:41] <elhoir> i have just tried to purge it
[20:42] <elhoir> genii, http://pastebin.com/4M5Pz7BW
[20:44] <genii> elhoir: I would attempt now: sudo apt-get -f install    (with no packagename) and see if that completes or also complains
[20:45] <elhoir> it complains
[20:45] <elhoir> i have done it many times
[20:45] <elhoir> "mkinitramfs: for device /dev/sda1 missing sda1 /sys/block/ entry"
[20:45] <elhoir> :-/
[20:46] <elhoir> http://pastebin.com/LtzaDzNd
[20:47] <genii> That mkinitramfs error looks like something you might see in a chroot environment
[20:48] <elhoir> not important then?
[20:49] <genii> Well, it would not be able to make an initrd though
[20:50] <genii> So you would get a kernel in /boot without a corresponding ramdisk there
[20:50] <genii> ARE you in a chroot, or on actual system ?
[20:50] <elhoir> actual system
[20:51] <genii> Yes, so not a normal error.
[20:51] <elhoir> i dont know what do u mean with chroot, actually?
[20:51] <elhoir> ..
[20:51] <genii> elhoir: If you don't know what a chroot is then odds are you are not in a chroot
[20:52] <elhoir> i use sudo xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[20:52] <elhoir> is that chroot?
[20:53] <genii> elhoir: chroot is when you change the root of your filesystem to a different place than /, and then CHange ROOT to there and it becomes the new /
[20:54] <elhoir> ah hehe then no, im not at chroot
[20:54] <genii> elhoir: Is the hard drive it is using inside the machine or outside?
[20:54] <elhoir> inside
[20:54] <genii> ( I see a similar bug but for USB drive installs)
[20:54] <elhoir> no its not USB
[20:54] <elhoir> and no dual boot windows-linux
[20:55] <elhoir> this is an ubuntu exclusive machine :)
[20:55] <elhoir> separate /home partition, through
[20:57] <elhoir> gotta to for supper
[20:57] <elhoir> go*
[21:00]  * genii ponders bug 1538710
[22:17] <elhoir|afk> back
[22:21] <elhoir> genii, any idea? you gave me as impossible? :P
[22:22] <genii> elhoir: No other immediate ideas, but something may occur to me later
[22:23] <elhoir> ok thank you


[00:06]  * wgrant mutters something about ridiculous 17 hour i386 PPA build latency.
[00:06] <sekinto> What is the point of Launchpad points?
[00:07] <wgrant> sekinto: Launchpad karma, you mean? Nothing, really. It's just a misleading indicator of how active somebody is.
[00:08] <sekinto> wgrant: Yeah, your right... it is misleading. The system seems completely flawed. Even though I have done like 90% of the work on the project the other person has like 10x more points on it. xD
[00:08] <wgrant> sekinto: Which project?
[00:09] <sekinto> PyPicSlideshow. But I don't really care about the points, I was just curious how the system worked.
[00:11] <wgrant> sekinto: That's because the blueprint tracker is used so little. The karma is balanced between the various apps, so karma there counts more.
[00:12] <sekinto> wgrant: So the points on project overview pages are really a representation of someone's work in all projects and not the one shown on the project overview page?
[00:13] <wgrant> sekinto: No, no, those are all points from work on the project. The blueprint (called 'specification tracker' on there) points are just worth more, because so few people use Launchpad's blueprint features. I don't know why they balance it like that.
[00:14] <sekinto> wgrant: Okay, thank you.
[01:19] <kklimonda> Hey, Can I test mail interface for LP using staging.lp.net ?
[01:20] <mwhudson> for mails you send to launchpad, i think so
[01:20] <mwhudson> staging doesn't send mail out though
[01:20] <kklimonda> but it would accept them and modify bugs?
[01:21] <mwhudson> i think so
[01:21] <mwhudson> try it :)(
[01:21] <kklimonda> ok, thanks
[01:23]  * maxb hugs BeautifulSoup
[01:24]  * BUGabundo gives maxb free hugs
[01:24]  * maxb is well on the way to having a script to do automated promotion from one PPA to another now
[01:30] <BUGabundo> edge          (Error ID:         OOPS-1221EA4)
[01:30] <BUGabundo> Ursinha: nice alter nick
[01:31] <Ursinha> BUGabundo, cool you notice
[01:31] <BUGabundo>  eheh
[01:31] <BUGabundo> so is staging and edge timeing out :(
[01:32] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: just emailed https://bugs.staging.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/370594 but its not there!
[01:32] <BUGabundo> so not sure staging accepts email
[01:35] <cody-somerville> Are CVS imports running?
[01:35] <mwhudson> cody-somerville: should be
[01:35] <mwhudson> the system is somewhat overloaded
[01:36] <cody-somerville> mwhudson, Ah, okay.
[01:36] <cody-somerville> mwhudson, Does any magic voodoo have to happen when setting up a new cvs import? Or does setting it up via the web UI work just fine?
[01:37] <mwhudson> cody-somerville: it needs to be approved
[01:37] <cody-somerville> mwhudson, Right, I clicked "Create approved import" so I assumed its approved.
[01:37] <mwhudson> oh right
[01:37] <mwhudson> yes then
[01:38] <mwhudson> but like i said, the system is overloaded currently
[01:38] <mwhudson> so it may be some hours before it gets processed
[01:41] <MiserySalin> could somebody review our import queue of gmpc-dynamic-playlist?  https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/gmpc/+imports
[03:12]  * steffen is away: I'm busy
[04:15] <poolie> jml: "launchpad bugger" hey? :-) (per bug 345577)
[04:16] <wgrant> poolie: That sounds like a bit of an oops.
[04:21] <persia> Wasn't there a UDS session about that in December?
[04:32] <MTecknology> anyone have a link to prove canonical employees get more email than they can handle?
[04:36] <thumper> MTecknology: only personal experience
[04:37] <MTecknology> thumper: Could you do a screen shot of the incoming email you get from ubuntu lists and show as much as you can?
[04:37] <MTecknology> I just need something for a paper
[04:37] <thumper> heh
[04:37] <thumper> I have mine auto filtered into folders
[04:37] <MTecknology> I wrote most of the paper, but I need a picture in it
[04:37] <MTecknology> are any of them filled beyond beleif?
[04:38] <thumper> and likely some of the subjects wouldn't be for public consumption
[04:38] <thumper> launchpad-bugs is one
[04:38] <spm> ... or folder names in my case :-)
[04:38] <MTecknology> I only need something for a paper. It doesn't need to show your most confidential stuff to prove a point :P
[04:39] <thumper> MTecknology: I have 8000 unread emails in folders
[04:39] <thumper> MTecknology: and I'm not likely to read them either
[04:39] <MTecknology> thumper: a screenshot of that would be perfect.
[04:40] <thumper> I'm not sure I want that floating around the internet :)
[04:40]  * thumper runs to drop something off
[04:43] <spm> MTecknology: tbh I'm not sure what point you'd prove? canonical in terms of email isn't (IMHO) better or worse than most other organisations I've worked for. One of the tricks of suviving as a tech worker - learn to prioritise your email. some gets deleted unread, some gets acted on immediately, some can wait for days to weeks. ????
[04:44] <MTecknology> spm: I wrote the paper on Canonical - I had to pick a specific company so I picked my favorite. If I can get ANY screenshot of 8,000+ unread messages, that'd work
[04:49] <spm> MTecknology: generate one for yourself? $ for i in `seq 1 1 8564` ; do mailx -s "fake unread email $i" me ; done ???
[04:49] <MTecknology> lol... ok
[04:50] <spm> heh. or just "gimp-shop" it :-D
[04:50] <beuno> MTecknology, kiko is your best shot
[04:50] <beuno> he always keeps his unread emails in the hundreds of thousands
[04:50] <spm> beuno: but that's cause he likes to brag ;-)
[04:51] <MTecknology> 1hr left to finish this paper, I doubt that's enough time for him to pop in. But that would be perfect.
[04:53] <beuno> spm, yes. And hasn't learned to type with both hands on different keyboards yet
[04:54] <ajmitch> beuno: that makes my ~90k unread ubuntu bug emails seem tame :)
[04:54] <beuno> hey hey ajmitch!
[04:54] <beuno> how's the southern islands?
[04:55] <ajmitch> good, cold :)
[04:55] <ajmitch> how are you?
[04:56] <beuno> kinda warm, actually
[04:57] <beuno> autumn is late here
[05:04] <MTecknology> hurray when the power dies
[05:55] <thumper> MTecknology: I do have to say that with respect to email, I do stay on top of everything that I have to
[05:56] <thumper> MTecknology: much of the unread stuff is mailing lists that are optional
[05:56] <thumper> MTecknology: and sometimes only occasionally interesting
[05:56] <thumper> MTecknology: from my point of view anyway
[05:56] <MTecknology> thumper: paper is due in 4min. I just submitted it :)
[05:56] <MTecknology> thanks though :)
[05:57] <thumper> MTecknology: I didn't expect to change your mind on anything :)
[05:57] <thumper> MTecknology: I just didn't want you to think that I sit with 8000 emails I should have read
[05:58] <MTecknology> I figured it was lists
[07:20] <poolie> thumper: jam cites "provides an email when the patch is landed" as an advantage of BB over lp reviews
[07:20] <poolie> does lp do that, or is there a bug for it, or should i file one?
[07:24] <poolie> filed bug 372044
[07:26] <jml> poolie: wasn't my idea!
[07:27] <poolie> jml: to do it or not to do it?
[07:27] <jml> poolie: to call it 'bugger'
[07:29] <poolie> oh right, yes :)
[07:29] <thumper> not bugger ok?
[07:29] <thumper> we have the user, lets use that
[07:29] <thumper> poolie: it was a decision at the time not to, which in hind sight is wrong
[07:34]  * wgrant disagrees with that decision too - I had a lazr.restful branch merged a couple of weeks ago without being notified, when I should have been notified twice.
[07:35] <wgrant> (once for the branch status change, once for MP status change)
[07:36] <poolie> thumper: no problem at all
[07:36] <poolie> i just wanted to avoid filing if it was already there or whatever
[07:48] <poolie> hm i wonder if the tour should link to real examples of the things being discussed
[07:48] <poolie> like a team or merge proposal
[07:48] <poolie> or in some cases invite you to try it out on staging?
[07:48] <poolie> it's a bit arid...
[07:48] <poolie> by which i mean, you can't really do anything in the tour except gawp at it
[07:51] <poolie> staging is giving "error connecting"...
[07:51] <poolie> spm^^
[07:52] <spm> poolie: yeah - the restore ker-spatted nicely. had taken out the main staging db, but not yet swapped in the new. am manually recovering atm. eta unknown.
[07:53] <poolie> kk thanks
[07:54] <poolie> roll on site-wide notifications
[07:54] <poolie> actually i wonder if it would help if there was a way to put text into the "computer says no" page...
[07:54] <poolie> i suspect most people shrug rather than asking on irc
[07:56] <spm> poolie: would have to be an improvement over simply returning the servers name. such that with a disk full error "http://minister.NAMELESS_DEPARTMENT.gov.au/" ==> "DONKEY" in 64pt font - when you have servers named on a shrek theme.
[07:57] <poolie> lolol oh i wish i'd seen that
[07:58] <spm> poo hit the fan. they thought they'd been hacked :-D
[07:59] <spm> poolie: staging is back
[08:04] <poolie> cool
[08:05] <poolie> jml: is the feature of starting a new MP by sending a bundle landed or not? i'm confused
[08:06] <jml> poolie: I believe it has been landed.
[08:07] <jml> I could be wrong.
[08:07] <poolie> ok thanks
[08:07] <poolie> just not documented
[08:07] <poolie> actually aaron did speak of it as working so i suppose it is
[11:42] <Riddell> are private PPAs broken?  I can't view kubuntu-ninjas PPA
[11:43]  * noodles775 tries to view the soyuz private ppa
[11:44] <noodles775> Riddell: nope... I can view the soyuz private ppa... but
[11:44] <noodles775> if you've got builds currently building in it, it could be that the page is timing out... we're working on fixing this now...
[11:44] <Riddell> that could be it
[11:46] <noodles775> Riddell: sorry about that :/
[11:48] <noodles775> Riddell: actually, I think the timeout is related to the number of packages displayed, try adding the following to the end of your ppa url:
[11:48] <noodles775> ?batch=1
[11:50] <Riddell> noodles775: that works
[11:50] <Riddell> if a bit limiting :)
[11:51] <noodles775> Riddell: yep, it is limiting :(, but the search should work from there too.
[11:52] <Riddell> right enough, thanks
[11:55] <rodrigo_> hi
[11:55] <rodrigo_> can launchpad be used for commercial projects?
[11:58] <intellectronica> rodrigo_: yes, for a modest fee
[11:58] <rodrigo_> any url I could point my friend interested oin that to?
[11:59] <bryanl_> what's the different between launchpad and sourceforge?
[11:59] <intellectronica> rodrigo_: it is best to talk about this with bac "Brad Crittenden<EMAIL_ADDRESS>let me see if there's a url with some info
[12:00] <bac> intellectronica, rodrigo_:  have a look at https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+faq/208
[12:01] <rodrigo_> ok thanks
[12:01] <bac> rodrigo_: and please have your friend email me if he has questions
[12:01] <intellectronica> bryanl_: there are many differences, but LP is much more geared towards collaborative development, and tends to be a lot more sophisticated in the features it offers. sourceforge is more basic, but gives you a bit more freedom, for example, to host your own pages. in a way they are complementary services
[12:02] <bryanl_> Thanks
[12:24] <SiDi> Hey people. If there's any LP admin around, it'd be kind if they could have a look at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/70020 and give me an answer on it. Thanks in advance
[12:26] <leonardr> SiDi, go ahead and reject the question
[12:27] <SiDi> leonardr: thanks
[12:27] <SiDi> i do think it should be stated in the terms of use though. Imo theres a lack
[12:27] <kiko> SiDi, I'm going to talk to joey about that today.
[12:28] <SiDi> Thanks :)
[12:28] <james_w> are publishing records from getPublishedSources returned in a strict ordering, or do I have to compare versions to be sure?
[12:30] <noodles775> james_w: they're ordered by sourcepackagename.name and then descending SPPH.id
[12:31] <james_w> I'm looking for a way to get the earliest SPPH for each sourcepackage.name, it would be great if that was always [0]
[12:31] <james_w> can I assume that?
[12:32] <kiko> james_w, the earliest meaning the first ever in history?
[12:32] <Ampelbein> SiDi: couldn't it be that the user in question 69455 tries to run the demo of l4d?
[12:32] <james_w> kiko: yeah, I want to examine the changelog of the first version of each package to land in Ubuntu
[12:32] <SiDi> Ampelbein: come on :) check the other questions from the user. And i actually don't think theres an l4d demo
[12:33] <SiDi> Ampelbein: demos from steam are distributed through steam, not uTorrent, also.
[12:33] <james_w> (which isn't the same thing as the first entry in the changelog of the current version in Ubuntu)
[12:34] <Ampelbein> SiDi: where did he mention utorrent? he mentions a youtube-video (which i also found, it's about the demo) and that he downloaded it.
[12:34] <noodles775> james_w: afaics, given the above ordering, the SPPH with the smallest id should always be [-1]?
[12:34] <noodles775> (assuming that you're not passing in a version param to getPublishedSources)
[12:34] <james_w> ah, descending, yeah, sorry
[12:35] <SiDi> Ampelbein: title of the question
[12:35] <Ampelbein> SiDi: ah, there. right.
[12:35] <james_w> noodles775: but you imply smallest id is the oldest?
[12:35] <SiDi> Ampelbein: i hit my head a few good times on a wall before deciding if the question should be rejected or not ;)
[12:36] <noodles775> james_w: yep, that's just an assumption.
[12:37] <james_w> ok, I'll go with that then, thanks
[12:37] <noodles775> james_w: ie, I'm assuming that the smaller the id, the earlier it was created, but not necessarily published.
[12:37] <noodles775> np.
[12:37] <Ampelbein> SiDi: ok. i guess i don't suspect people to steal software since i am  used to linux and free software for so long ;-) good job.
[12:37] <noodles775> james_w: scratch that last comment... it's the SPPH after all...
[12:38] <james_w> noodles775: I'm having immense trouble getting every publication and sorting, so a shortcut would be very helpful
[12:38] <kiko> james_w, it's definitely true that the first SPPH is the first time the package was published
[12:38] <james_w> kiko: good, thanks. That should help
[12:38] <kiko> james_w, in part because of policy (packages go into the release pocket before anywhere else)
[12:39] <kiko> james_w, we could probably offer you a shortcut if you are doing lots of round-tripping, so keep us in the loop as to your results
[12:39] <james_w> it's a throwaway thing, so not worth modifying launchpad for
[12:40] <james_w> but if I keep having trouble like this then an SQL query may be very much appreciated
[12:40] <noodles775> james_w: sorry, just realised an extra ordering that gets inserted if you do *not* request a specific version...
[12:41] <james_w> should I file a bug saying that I keep getting 503 when using the API, or is that not really a code bug?
[12:41] <noodles775> In that case the ordering is: ['SourcePackageName.name', desc SPR.version, desc SPPH.id]. Hope that helps.
[12:42] <james_w> ah, that's probably even more reliable then
[12:42] <james_w> as long as backports don't screw me
[12:50] <lifeless> is lp known down ?
[12:50] <lifeless> just got a please-try-again message
[12:50] <lifeless> ah back now
[12:54] <leonardr> bryanl_: re "what's the different between launchpad and sourceforge?"
[12:55] <leonardr> imo the simplest way to say it is that sourceforge was designed for open source development in the first half of the 2000s
[12:55] <leonardr> and launchpad was designed for the second half of the 2000s
[12:55] <leonardr> the most obvious place that shows up is the distributed version control
[12:56] <persia> Well, the other big difference is that sourceforge offers a home page for the project.
[12:57] <wgrant> leonardr: Note that SF.net supports bzr and others now.
[12:57] <wgrant> leonardr: But it's pretty useless, because you can't push multiple branches.
[12:57] <wgrant> I also don't think SF.net was ever actually designed.
[12:59] <persia> wgrant, You forget the exciting new hosted application design methodologies that were popular at the time of site creation.
[13:05] <leonardr> wgrant: for sourceforge, dvcs is a feature on a checklist. the architecture isn't based around it
[13:05] <leonardr> s/architecture/workflow/
[13:34] <seb128> hi
[13:34] <seb128> launchpad (non beta) is being slow and timeout a lot, known issue?
[13:35] <intellectronica> seb128: url? oops?
[13:36] <seb128> random url, I get the message saying that the server had an issue and to contact the irc channel every few actions
[13:36] <seb128> when sending a comment or loading random bugs
[13:37] <intellectronica> seb128: but it's hard to tell what the issue is without referring to an oops. do you get an oops id quoted?
[13:37] <seb128> and pages loading takes a while
[13:37] <seb128> let me try again, it works after reloading
[13:37] <seb128> but I keep running into those and it's sloooow
[13:38] <intellectronica> seb128: and if you use edge, is it any better?
[13:38] <seb128> I've stopped using edge since yesterday since it doesn't want to keep my login for some reason
[13:38] <intellectronica> seb128: ???
[13:38] <seb128> ie I'm not logged as my user when I change page
[13:39] <intellectronica> seb128: have you got cookies enabled (and not blocked for edge.launchpad.net via some mechanism)?
[13:40] <intellectronica> seb128: if launchpad doesn't work for you, then it might not work for other people too, so please do report bugs
[13:40] <seb128> intellectronica: I've done nothing special, on monday I was not authentified on launchpad, I re-enter my login password, changed pages and was not authentified again
[13:40] <seb128> that's what I'm doing now ;-)
[13:40] <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-applets/+bug/361202
[13:40] <seb128> just gave me a
[13:40] <wgrant> Erm.
[13:40] <wgrant> LP is borked again.
[13:40] <seb128> "
[13:40] <seb128> Please try again
[13:40] <seb128> Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server.
[13:40] <seb128> Try reloading this page in a minute or two. If the problem persists, let us know in the #launchpad IRC channel on Freenode.
[13:40] <seb128> Thanks for your patience.
[13:40] <seb128> "
[13:40] <wgrant> Yep.
[13:40] <seb128> no OOPS
[13:40] <wgrant> Third time this week.
[13:40] <seb128> I can't give a lot of details
[13:40] <seb128> I just get that every 7-8 page loads
[13:40] <intellectronica> seb128: could it be that you've logged in to launchpad.net, but was then redirected to edge? remember that they don't use the same cookie
[13:40] <seb128> pedro confirmed having the same issue
[13:41] <wgrant> Yes, one of the appserver instances at least is broken, again.
[13:41] <intellectronica> seb128, wgrant: right, that seems quite serious. let me check what's going on
[13:41] <seb128> intellectronica: I can try that, the timeout issue is on non-edge
[13:41] <wgrant> Bug 360846, maybe?
[13:42] <wgrant> That has been the cause the last couple of times.
[13:42] <seb128> intellectronica: archive admin lpcookies files are also not working today, at list pitti complained and mine is not working either ... did you do any change which requires updating cookies?
[13:43] <wgrant> seb128: The session table was cleared over the weekend, I believe.
[13:43] <wgrant> So no old cookies will be valid.
[13:43] <seb128> ok, that explain the cookie issue
[13:44] <intellectronica> seb128, wgrant: yeah, i can get these errors on production. i think edge is ok, so use that for now, i'll find out what's going on with production
[13:44] <seb128> intellectronica: ok, forget about the cookie issue I probably entered my login on the frontpage the other day
[13:45] <wgrant> LP has been very unreliable this past couple of weeks :(
[13:46] <seb128> I'm using edge usually which is working fine here
[13:48] <wgrant> edge is often hit by this too.
[13:48] <wgrant> Just not this time.
[13:52] <stuk_gen> hi,
[13:52] <stuk_gen> is down now?
[13:53] <stuk_gen> Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server
[13:54] <wgrant> stuk_gen: That's known - just try again.
[13:54] <intellectronica> stuk_gen: there's some problem with the main servers. until it's fixed, you can use edge.launchpad.net instead, or just try again
[14:02] <stuk_gen> thx
[15:19] <J_Litewski> i'm having troubles pushing my branch into launchpad
[15:20] <beuno> J_Litewski, what's the problem?
[15:21] <J_Litewski> i can't do it :P
[15:21] <beuno> that's a little bit tu vague to help you
[15:21] <J_Litewski> i tried bzr push and bzr+ssh://, no dice
[15:22] <beuno> J_Litewski, again, need specific
[15:22] <beuno> *specifics
[15:22] <beuno> what happens?
[15:23] <J_Litewski> for bzr push, i get a 'not a directory' error, and for bxr+ssh://, i get a bash error
[15:24] <J_Litewski> *bzr+ssh://
[15:24] <beuno> J_Litewski, can you please paste in exact commands you're running?
[15:25] <SiDi> J_Litewski: bzr push<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:25]  * SiDi hopes he's right =P
[15:26] <beuno> it's actually just:  bzr push lp:~username/project/branchname
[15:26] <J_Litewski> stupid wireless card
[15:26] <J_Litewski> beuno, thats what i used, with the correct values
[15:26] <J_Litewski> bzr push lp:~hackhalotwo/manual/prototype
[15:26] <beuno> J_Litewski, so, please paste the error you're getting
[15:27] <beuno> J_Litewski, have you done:  bzr launchpad-login USERNAME?
[15:27] <J_Litewski> no
[15:27] <J_Litewski> heh
[15:27] <J_Litewski> bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "/home/hackhalotwo/".
[15:27] <beuno> J_Litewski, right, so you have to be *in* the branch directory to push it
[15:28] <J_Litewski> ok
[15:28] <boredandblogging> bac: ping
[15:28] <bac> hi boredandblogging
[15:29] <J_Litewski> bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "/home/hackhalotwo/Projects/Python/".
[15:29] <J_Litewski> bzr push lp:~hackhalotwo/manual/prototype
[15:29] <J_Litewski> i'm in the directory of my project
[15:29] <beuno> J_Litewski, but
[15:29] <beuno> bzr is asking you
[15:29] <beuno> is it a branch?
[15:30] <beuno> have you created a local bzr branch?
[15:30] <J_Litewski> ah
[15:30] <J_Litewski> no
[15:30] <J_Litewski> this is my first project, so i'm new at this lol
[15:30] <beuno> J_Litewski, https://help.launchpad.net/BzrHowto
[15:30] <J_Litewski> ty beuno
[15:31] <beuno> :)
[17:05] <davideotape> Is anyone else having problems with launchpad at the moment?
[17:06] <intellectronica> davideotape: what kind of problems?
[17:06] <intellectronica> davideotape: and you totally win the nickname of the week award ;)
[17:09] <davideotape> Haha, cheers
[17:09] <davideotape> It's just unreliable at the moment
[17:09] <davideotape> Seems to be hit and miss whether it's working
[17:12] <intellectronica> davideotape: right, but when it's not working, what to do you get?
[17:12] <intellectronica> davideotape: what URLs are not working for you? do you get an OOPS? or just a "please try again later" message? are you using edge, or the normal servers?
[17:12] <davideotape> The usual thing that comes up, saying if this problem persists report in IRC
[17:12] <davideotape> It seems to be okay now
[17:13] <davideotape> Oh, and please try again later.
[17:37] <kirkland> is it basically impossible to rename a project in launchpad?
[17:41] <leonardr> kirkland: you need to get an admin to do it
[17:41] <leonardr> ask it as a question in launchpad and i'll assign it to an admin
[17:41] <kirkland> leonardr: okay, so it is possible?
[17:41] <leonardr> yes, it's possible
[17:41] <kirkland> leonardr: same for a team?
[17:43] <leonardr> kirkland, yes
[17:43] <kirkland> leonardr: okay thanks.  i have a bit more homework to do before i decide if this is want i need to do
[17:43] <leonardr> all right
[17:50] <hongry_> hi folk
[17:50] <hongry_> s
[17:58] <hongry_> does anyone here happen to know where I can find the cucumber-nagios project files for install?  They do not appear to be available any longer through launchpad.
[17:58] <hongry_> any help is appreciated.
[18:08] <leonardr> hongry_: i recommend contacting the administrator of the cucumber-nagios project: https://edge.launchpad.net/~lindsay
[18:15] <lezem> Hi all, I'd like to know if it is possible to download launch-suite and run it locally on you own server.
[18:16] <lezem> launchpad-suite, I mean
[18:18] <SiDiHatesCpp> lezem: at the moment no
[18:34] <xcitu> Hi, can anyone help me? I got problems with internet connection in newly installed Ubuntu 9.04
[18:34] <xcitu> or 9.10, dont remember
[18:35] <Ampelbein> xcitu: use #ubuntu for general support
[18:36] <Ampelbein> xcitu: this is a channel for problems and questions about launchpad itself.
[18:38] <xcitu> Thanks
[19:34] <casetj> launchpad down? any reason for the lag?
[19:35] <beuno> mthaddon, ^
[19:35] <beuno> I can't get to it either
[19:36] <casetj> ah, seems okay now: had some fear there was a new ubuntu release or something...
[19:36] <casetj> it crippled launchpad last time
[19:40] <savvas> is launchpad using mysql or postgresql?
[19:40] <SiDi> It uses oracle sqlplus
[19:40]  * SiDi is out.
[19:41] <savvas> hehe
[19:42] <spirit> hi!!
[19:44] <quirxi> :)
[19:45] <spirit> hey I'm find some problem in my ubuntu
[19:46] <BUGabundo> hya
[19:46] <spirit> no connection  to internet now i'm in other machine
[19:46] <BUGabundo> usual nagger here
[19:46] <BUGabundo> LP is slowwwww
[19:46] <BUGabundo> leonardr: what's up with it ?
[19:46] <spirit> this computer is very fast I think
[19:47] <leonardr> BUGabundo: we're not sure, there are some intermittent issues with the app servers that always clear up
[19:49] <savvas> ok let me change my question, which databases does launchpad support? :)
[19:50] <savvas> I'm the only one whose launchpad works I guess :P
[19:51] <leonardr> savvas, the launchpad application uses postgres
[19:51] <jbalint> hey, any way to pull a zip of the latest source for a branch from launchpad?
[19:51] <savvas> ok thanks :)
[19:51] <savvas> jbalint: why zip specifically?
[19:51] <savvas> ah wait, misunderstood, sorry :)
[19:52] <BUGabundo> savvas: then remove the dupe from https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/367457
[19:52] <jbalint> s/zip/tar/
[19:52] <BUGabundo> ohh it was changed again...
[19:52] <BUGabundo> now I need to see the new dupe
[19:53] <savvas> BUGabundo: try through email :)
[19:53] <savvas> https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/EmailInterface
[19:53] <BUGabundo> savvas: someone changed the dupe... need to make sure its fine now
[19:53] <BUGabundo> someone set it as a dupe of #1
[19:54] <BUGabundo> savvas: I know very well about emailinterface
[19:54] <savvas> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/367457/+text
[19:54] <savvas> this shows the text and the rest
[19:54] <savvas> duplicate-of: 369850
[19:54] <BUGabundo> timeout here
[19:54] <savvas> ok so what's the change required?
[19:55] <savvas> dupe to #1 ?
[19:55] <BUGabundo> savvas: see history of the bug
[19:56] <savvas> here's the +text: http://paste.ubuntu.com/165069/
[19:57] <savvas> 05 May 09 09:22  	Till Kamppeter  	removed duplicate marker  	1
[19:57] <savvas> 05 May 09 09:24 	Till Kamppeter 	marked as duplicate 		369850
[19:57] <BUGabundo> Please try again                    Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server.
[19:58] <BUGabundo> time to go
[19:58] <savvas> I misunderstood him heh
[20:05] <Orlsend> Hello I am unable to log in to my account.
[20:05] <Orlsend> I was redirected here...
[20:06] <spirit_> hey Orlsend
[20:06] <spirit_> refresh the site
[20:07] <Orlsend> Yeah I cleared my cache it just worked...
[20:07] <Orlsend> Thanks!
[20:07] <spirit_> your welcome
[20:23] <Orlsend> Any Idea why launchpad is failing?
[20:23] <Orlsend> I keep getting the same error
[20:41] <adzinok> hi! how to request kubuntu?
[20:44] <salgado> adzinok, https://shipit.kubuntu.org
[20:45] <sproaty> hey is my commit message getting cut off in the left box for anyone else -- http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~sproaty/whyteboard/development/revision/79  - firefox 3.0.10, ubuntu 9.04
[20:45] <sproaty> or flowing into the file list, rather
[20:47] <adzinok> salgado: "Request changed successfully." thanks :)
[20:50] <Orlsend> Do they also ship Edubuntu?
[20:53] <salgado> Orlsend, not anymore -- Edubuntu has to be downloaded
[20:53] <Orlsend> :S
[20:54] <Orlsend> Does the normal Ubuntu live CD jas the KDE enviroment also?
[20:54] <ripps> Strange, it appear some packages in the gmpc-trunk ppa weren't signed, I get an unathenticated package warning
[20:58] <salgado> Orlsend, nope, but you can install KDE after booting the live CD
[22:19] <maxb> Is there an admin here who would be able to rescore a PPA build for me?
[22:19] <maxb> It failed, so I fixed the dependency issue and asked for a retry, but that means the build score is zero
[22:19] <maxb> With the current contention for builders, it'll never manage to get to the top of the queue
[22:20] <maxb> https://launchpad.net/~mercurial-stable-snapshots/+archive/staging/+build/987742 is the build
[22:45] <maxb> sysvbanner is build has hung on amd64 now (crested)
[22:46]  * maxb tries again with proper grammar
[22:46] <maxb> sysvbanner build has hung on amd64 now (crested)
[23:32] <wgrant> spm: One of the appservers seems to need kicking, again.
[23:33] <spm> wgrant: edge?
[23:34] <wgrant> spm: lpnet
[23:34] <wgrant> edge seems to be happy for now.
[23:38] <jkakar> I'm running into the AbstentContentFactory bug, trying to get a branch from Launchpad.
[23:38] <jkakar> Is there a work-around...?
[23:39] <jkakar> Actually, I should probably find the bug report about it first..
[23:39]  * jkakar looks
[23:39] <mwhudson> jkakar: nosmart+bzr+ssh://bazaar....
[23:39] <beuno> jkakar, read #landscape  :)
[23:39] <jkakar> mwhudson: Hah, nice.  "stopbeingclever+..." :)  Thanks!
[23:39] <mwhudson> right
[23:40] <spm> wgrant: one seemed to be semi intermittant - have given a theraputic (for me) kicking. let me know if you notice it still?
[23:43] <wgrant> spm: Thanks.
[23:48] <ArtiShow> bonsoir
[23:50] <ArtiShow> personne ?
[23:52] <beuno> ArtiShow, what can we help you with?
[23:54] <ArtiShow> i can't to log in on shipit, on my account beuno
[23:54] <beuno> ArtiShow, what's the problem?
[23:57] <ArtiShow> i want to request a cd of ubuntu9.04 but, it tells "Sorry, you don't have permission to access this page.
[23:57] <ArtiShow> You are not logged in." ?? beuno
[23:58] <beuno> ArtiShow, and can you log in?


[07:28] <dholbach> good morning
[11:08] <Mithrandir> StevenK: did you get anywhere with the EINVAL from mount when trying to mount squashfs?
[11:10] <StevenK> Mithrandir: Yup
[11:10] <StevenK> Mithrandir: New mksquashfs using LZMA, and a kernel that didn't support it
[11:11] <StevenK> Mithrandir: See my mail to mobile
[11:13] <Mithrandir> StevenK: d'oh, ok thanks.  That's ever so slightly unfortunate.
[11:14] <StevenK> Mithrandir: Indeed.
[11:14] <StevenK> Mithrandir: I wish the news were different
[11:14] <Mithrandir> you mailed the list and said you stumbled on an unionfs bug?
[11:15] <StevenK> Right. I sent photos of the "kernel BUG" message to Amit and he said, "Argh! unionfs!"
[11:15] <Mithrandir> and that was with .24?
[11:15] <StevenK> That was with the kernel you built
[11:16] <Mithrandir> does the kernel even support lzma yet?
[11:16] <mjg59> No
[11:16] <mjg59> There's an external patch for it
[11:16] <StevenK> squashfs 3.3 says it does, and pkl merged it in
[11:16] <mjg59> Orly? Excellent.
[11:16] <lool> StevenK: It seems you can pass -nolzma to newer mksquashfs for now  :-/
[11:16] <mjg59> If we use that for the livecd, we potentially get win
[11:17] <StevenK> lool: Right. I hacked m-i-c to do so
[11:17] <StevenK> mjg59: LZMA looks to be the default for squashfs-tools 3.3, so let's see what Alpha2 gives us
[11:30] <StevenK> Mithrandir: I was going to keep pitti happy and look at the promotion problems next
[11:31] <Mithrandir> StevenK: makes sense.  I'd liked us to have something we could give intel to start porting their graphics driver on, but it doesn't look too good then. :-/
[11:35] <StevenK> Mithrandir: I discovered when I maintained ALSA that I'm not smart enough to work on the kernel
[12:14] <amitk_> StevenK: Did pkl confirm that he merged LZMA support into LUM?
[12:15] <StevenK> He didn't confirm, but I read the changelog of 3.3, and that's what was pulled into l-u-m
[12:15] <amitk_> StevenK: and you used the updated LUM too, right?
[12:31] <amitk_> StevenK: ^^^
[12:34] <StevenK> I used 2.2
[13:59] <StevenK> Mithrandir: What do you think about the latest e-mail on u-m?
[14:04] <Mithrandir> the one about UME X startup?  Just replied.
[14:04] <StevenK> Kay
[15:12] <smagoun> Is there a good way to add a diversion (via dpkg-divert) to a package that's already installed? The moblin guys and I have both run into problems because diversions are only supposed to happen on install, not upgrade.
[15:14] <smagoun> For example: A is installed. I want to add a file F to A'. F is already installed as package B. I want users upgrading from A to A' to get the the A' version of F.
[15:21] <smagoun> Mithrandir: lool StevenK  ^^^^^
[15:24] <lool> smagoun: You should be able to call dpkg-divert during upgrade in the very same way
[15:24] <lool> Make sure you test properly when to call it and think of all cases where you should remove it
[15:25] <lool> smagoun: How is your current problematic code looking like?
[15:25] <smagoun> lool: That's what I hoped, but this debian policy manual indicates I shouldn't check for upgrade: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ap-pkg-diversions.html
[15:25] <lool> smagoun: Oh right, I understand the limitation now
[15:26] <smagoun> lool: What I'm interested in right now is moblin's xf86-video-psb driver, which blindly copies a library on top of another one becuase diversion doesn't work in the upgrade case: http://moblin.org/repos/projects/xf86-video-psb.git/
[15:26] <lool> smagoun: What the policy page says is that you should only call dpkg-divert once
[15:27] <lool> smagoun: If you simply call dpkg-divert without checking for $1 = install, it will run for upgrade, and other cases
[15:27] <smagoun> lool: right. So presumably I could check to see if the diversion's already been done by dpkg-diver --list?
[15:27] <lool> smagoun: The best thing to do is this indeed
[15:28] <lool> I'm checking whether I can hand a good example
[15:28] <smagoun> Ok, I think I understand. Since I'm only ever installing or upgrading that particular package version once, it's ok to divert in both the install and upgrade cases and I can skip the '$1 = install'
[15:29] <lool> smagoun: But basically your preinst should be something among the lines of: if install or upgrade and diversion_not_installed; then divert; fi
[15:29] <lool> if ( install or upgrade ) and diversion_not_installed
[15:30] <lool> Interestingly, I can only find examples contradicting policy :)
[15:30] <lool> if [ "$1" = install ] || [ "$1" = upgrade ]
[15:30] <lool> then
[15:30] <lool>     dpkg-divert --add --package perl-doc --rename \
[15:30] <lool>         --divert /usr/bin/perldoc.stub /usr/bin/perldoc
[15:32] <smagoun> lool: thanks.   O:-)
[18:08] <Mithrandir> lool: debuild -e CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=13 -e PATH=/usr/lib/ccache:$PATH -uc -us -B is what I used
[18:09] <lool> Thanks!
[18:11] <Mithrandir> that concurrency level was fine with an 8 core machine, adjust as appropriate for your setup


[06:53] <m4sk1n_> ok, joined from znc, there should not be problems with ghost messages…
[10:09] <vill> Hi, I'm get "Write a blog post about a snap" task and I don't no how (step "Write and publish the post." ) what that mean?
[10:14] <vill> what content should I write?
[10:18] <villy> HI elopio, kyrofa and sergiusens.
[10:19] <villy> I need some help.
[10:20] <villy> pleass
[10:25] <villy> Hi
[10:25] <villy> Hello
[10:29] <m4sk1n> hi
[10:33] <villy> but I'm don't know what I should write blog post talking abuot what?
[10:33] <villy> PS.    I get the task "Write a blog post about a snap"
[10:35] <villy> I don't know snap!
[11:37] <sergiusens> popey for youtube subtitles, does the owner of the video need to accept them in order for others to see? I am talking about https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/task-instances/6539865892061184/
[11:38] <popey> sergiusens: I don't know, Leo set all that up. It's possible.
[11:39] <popey> sergiusens: https://www.youtube.com/timedtext_cs_queue
[11:39] <sergiusens> popey oh well I'll approve the task as the screenshots show that work has been done and the task doesn't say anything about requiring a review
[11:39] <popey> if you're logged into the youtube channel and go there, you can see they're up for review
[11:39] <popey> i see a Russian one from 16 hours ago
[11:39] <popey> Right.
[11:40] <sergiusens> popey ah found it in any case https://www.youtube.com/timedtext_editor?action_mde_edit_form=1&v=ymO49VCY1BQ&lang=ru&bl=vmp&ui=hd&ref=player&tab=captions
[11:42] <sergiusens> and to view https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymO49VCY1BQ&lang=ru
[11:47] <popey> i published them
[11:51] <sergiusens> popey great, they were proof read and are good (added the comments to the task)
[13:37] <dows> villy you ccan go through the snap tutorial first
[13:40] <dows> Hi, regarding this, https://codein.withgoogle.com/tasks/5637753310019584/?sp-organization=5133577048031232, does my answer need to be the accepted answer?
[14:52] <dows> if it has to be the accepted answer then I'll only claim this task when I got one
[15:34] <elopio> dows: I think it would be enough to get a review of the answer from the mentor.
[15:40] <dows> ok. anyways I've submitted the task
[15:40] <elopio> thanks!
[15:59] <m4sk1n> submitted task (snap)
[16:21] <ppabcd> Hello
[16:22] <m4sk1n_> elopio: can you take a look?
[16:26] <m4sk1n_> my next snaps will be a bit more complicated, but now I don't understand how to make them working in strict confinement
[16:27] <ppabcd> Hello dows
[16:28] <elopio> m4sk1n_: I'm on holidays. I'll be back on monday.
[16:29] <elopio> the other mentors will take a look today.
[16:29] <m4sk1n_> ok, sorry
[16:30] <m4sk1n_> Hi ppabcd
[16:30] <ppabcd> Hi :)
[16:35] <m4sk1n_> sergiusens: kyrofa: can someone take a look?
[17:01] <kyrofa> m4sk1n_, hey there, what's up?
[17:01] <kyrofa> You submitted a task?
[17:01] <kyrofa> I'm still working my way through emails, I'll see it soon then
[17:05] <popey> The dashboard is also a great way to plug through them :) https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/task-instances/in-progress/
[17:08] <m4sk1n_> Yup, kyrofa
[17:08] <kyrofa> m4sk1n_, reviewing now, looking good!
[17:08] <m4sk1n_> :)
[17:10] <kyrofa> m4sk1n_, one thing I see missing from the README is the checklist
[17:10] <popey> m4sk1n: cryptowatch is cool!
[17:10] <popey> elopio: will like that snap :)
[17:11] <kyrofa> m4sk1n_, I also don't hear the system bell, do you?
[17:12] <m4sk1n_> what bell?
[17:12] <m4sk1n_> oops
[17:16] <kyrofa> m4sk1n_, just reading the original project README: "Chimes system bell at the end of the timer, unless -silence is set."
[17:16] <kyrofa> But I don't hear anything
[17:17] <kyrofa> Did you test outside the snap? Does it work there? I don't see any denials or anything
[17:17] <m4sk1n_> I'll fix it…
[17:31] <m4sk1n_> kyrofa: tbh I don't know how to make system bell working from snap
[17:31] <kyrofa> m4sk1n_, fair enough. If you can add the checklist, I'm happy to approve, you did good work
[17:32] <kyrofa> m4sk1n_, because honestly, I'm not sure either ;)
[17:32] <kyrofa> m4sk1n_, did you try the project outside of the snap? Does it work there?
[17:43] <m4sk1n_> done
[17:43] <m4sk1n_> yup, it just uses "\a"
[17:44] <m4sk1n_> kyrofa: ^
[17:48] <kyrofa> m4sk1n_, huh, sounds like it's questionable in xenial right now: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1599599
[17:49] <kyrofa> m4sk1n_, I think we can safely ignore it
[17:49] <kyrofa> I can't get anything to make a beep here, in or out of snaps
[17:50] <m4sk1n_> ok, using echo for "\a" outside snap also doesn't work for me
[17:54] <m4sk1n_> kyrofa: submitted for review once again :)
[17:56] <kyrofa> m4sk1n_, very good, approved!
[18:11] <m4sk1n_> thanks
[18:11] <m4sk1n_> next task submitted for review
[18:21] <kyrofa> Alright I'll take a look in a few minutes
[18:28] <m4sk1n_> ok
[18:55] <LinuX86> hi @elopio
[18:55] <LinuX86> hi @kyrofa
[18:56] <kyrofa> Hey there LinuX86, welcome
[18:56] <LinuX86> Thanks for quick reply
[18:56] <LinuX86> Looking forward to get a reply from @elopio
[18:57] <LinuX86> hi @popeye
[18:58] <LinuX86> exit
[18:58] <LinuX86> hi @flexiondotorg
[18:58] <flexiondotorg> o/
[18:59] <LinuX86> Thanks for the quick reply :)
[19:00] <LinuX86> Thanks for the quick reply @ flexiondotorg
[19:00] <LinuX86> Thanks for the quick reply @flexiondotorg
[19:00] <m4sk1n_> LinuX86: we don't use @ to mention people on IRC
[19:01] <m4sk1n_> we use nickname: or nickname,
[19:01] <LinuX86> thanks m4sk1n
[19:16] <erwin> hi
[19:16] <m4sk1n_> hi erwin
[19:17] <erwin> where is this chat channel about?
[19:19] <wxl> coordination for google code in and the like
[19:46] <m4sk1n_> few minutes > 105 minutes :o
[19:50] <m4sk1n_> then I'm going to make snap for riot.im, I know it would be considered as begineer task
[20:03] <kyrofa> Sorry m4sk1n_, context switching is the biggest waste of time in my day. I need to focus on one thing at a time :)
[20:04] <kyrofa> Just running tests now
[20:24] <m4sk1n_> ok
[21:17] <m4sk1n_> kyrofa: submitted once again
[22:40] <m4sk1n_> thanks
[23:13] <m4sk1n_> If I would complete one task twice (I know that gci allows to claim one task only once), would it have any impact in results?
[23:40] <dev1nee> hmm
[23:40] <dev1nee> HMMM
[23:41] <tsimonq2> Hmm?
[23:41] <tsimonq2> :P


[08:32] <ChrisH> Hey, guys... :)
[08:35] <jiyuu0> ya
[09:57] <ChrisH> Some conf photos I took: http://gallery.workaround.org/Ubuntu-Conference-Mataro


[05:11]  * smartboyhw eats lunch.
[05:11] <smartboyhw> Hmm sounds like the header really CAN fix VB.
[09:59] <smartboyhw> zequence, arandr works for me here (13.04 64-bit)
[09:59] <smartboyhw> And I confirm the VB bug is fixed.
[10:16] <zequence> smartboyhw: It's better the person who reports the bug to confirm a bug fixed. You never know what variables on his/hers machine is causing the bug
[10:16] <zequence> Better not assume too much
[10:18] <zequence> I haven't followed the issues with arandr, but if this is something that also happens on Xubuntu, I think it would be a good idea to work with them on it
[10:23] <zequence> I'm moving furniture today. bbl
[10:35] <smartboyhw> zequence, :O
[10:48] <smartboyhw> zequence, I think the arandr bug is caused by some python issues
[10:49] <smartboyhw> zequence, hmm python's default was python2.7
[10:49] <smartboyhw> But we also have Python 3.
[10:50] <smartboyhw> I think mine worked because I am trying python 3 for running.
[10:57] <smartboyhw> zequence, strange: We aren't supposed to ship Python 2 are we?
[10:59] <smartboyhw> Hmm we still have .
[10:59] <smartboyhw> But isn't python3 the default!?
[11:05] <smartboyhw> It clearly runs on Python2.7 (ONLY)
[11:05] <smartboyhw> So why on EARTH would that happen!?
[11:09] <smartboyhw> len-1304, you reported no problems when running live?
[11:12] <smartboyhw> Downloading a 64-bit daily build to see if ARandr works.
[11:14] <smartboyhw> zequence, as it turns out: This bug DOES exist before 0.1.7.
[11:15] <smartboyhw> zequence, should we update it before Final Freeze?
[11:16] <smartboyhw> zequence, I need a FFe for this though.
[11:16] <smartboyhw> Would it be safe?
[13:21] <len-1304> smartboyhw, arandr works for me both live and installed.
[13:21] <smartboyhw> len-1304, I found that we have a solution.
[13:22] <len-1304> either it is 64bit specific or it is HW specific.
[13:25] <smartboyhw> len-1304, I don't find it too in 64bit.
[13:25] <smartboyhw> len-1304, upstream has a patch. I mught upload a new version with it.
[13:26] <len-1304> k
[14:14] <smartboyhw> zequence, ping
[14:14] <smartboyhw> Welcome DarkEra
[14:14] <len-1304> smartboyhw, I think zequence is out for most of the day.
[14:15] <smartboyhw> len-1304, zequence is much more busy these days as a student I think:P
[14:15] <len-1304> we all have our busy times in life.
[14:15] <DarkEra> thank you smartboyhw
[14:15] <smartboyhw> len-1304, yeah
[14:16] <smartboyhw> I have my busy times in March (too many damning tests)


 https://twitter.com/CarlKDE/status/1279170093415612416
 Well I like it 🥰
 https://twitter.com/kubuntu/status/1279356041600339969
[19:08] <valorie> me too!
[19:08] <valorie> carl has been doing an awesome job building up the kde web team again
[19:08] <valorie> and making all the sites easier to update, as well as look clean and modern
[19:14] <valorie> retweeted


[02:08] <asac> known issue that its hard to grab the border of windows for resizing etc. in precise?
[02:09] <mdeslaur> how come apps have lost the bottom right drag corner?
[02:09] <mdeslaur> asac: ha!
[02:09] <asac> mdeslaur: hello!
[02:09] <asac> howdy?:
[02:09] <asac> mdeslaur: good that i am not alone
[02:09] <mdeslaur> asac: apparently we've had a thought collision :)
[02:09] <asac> that means it might get fixed
[02:10] <asac> yeah. you were lucky. had troubles resizing that terminal ... which i tried to finish before complainig
[02:10] <asac> hehe
[02:10] <asac> but was really really hard
[02:10] <mdeslaur> I'm trying to resize an evince window, and it's driving me insane
[02:11] <mdeslaur> I'll have to bug seb128 monday to figure out why the resize corner has gone missing
[02:13] <asac> feels like the grab area is like 1px or something
[02:14] <mdeslaur> maybe it's this in gtk+3.0:
[02:14] <mdeslaur>  * debian/patches/063_resize_grip_default.patch:
[02:14] <mdeslaur>     - dropped, Cimi said it's not needed and can be done from the theme
[02:15] <asac> ok ... where is the theme fix? :)
[15:51] <desrt> an assertion mystery!
[15:51] <desrt> irresistable!
[15:54] <jalcine> lol, always the best ;)
[15:55] <desrt> crap.  no core file :(


[15:41] <Brainstorm> Updates for Bangladesh: +1589364 cases (now 3.2 million), +28097 deaths (now 56174), +87546674 vaccines (now 175.1 million), +11605468 tests (now 23.1 million, 0.0% positive) since 20 hours ago


[00:04] <ConstantLearner> good day. hoping to receive a cloak. here is my launchpad link https://launchpad.net/~dragonznswordz
[00:05] <teward> ConstantLearner: you need to be an ubuntu member or part of canonical (I believe) to get a cloak - you're in neither
[00:05] <teward> !membership
[00:06] <teward> ConstantLearner: start there ^
[00:06] <ConstantLearner> thanks
[00:18] <teward> i was nonspecific oh well
[00:18] <teward> i meant he can't get an ubuntu cloak
[00:18] <teward> (freenode can still give them unaffiliated)
[00:18]  * teward failed
[06:39] <Mikaela> I think they will find to #freenode


[21:47] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue787 up for review and final edits: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue787 :D


[00:00] <osmosis> 3ware raid controller seems slow on hardy 2.6.24-16-server
[02:06] <timboy2> for some reason php pages aren't being served... When I try to go to my roundcube site I get: you have chosen to open which is a: application/x-httpd-php anyone know why this is happening?
[02:15] <timboy2> figured it out. I had to sudo apt-get purge libapache2-mod-php5 then reinstall it!
[02:29] <cellofellow> hello
[02:29] <cellofellow> would it be safe to upgrade a production server from Gutsy to Hardy?
[02:30] <ScottK> cellofellow: It depends a lot on the specifics of your configuration.  I've had no trouble upgrading my servers.  Others have.  I recommend a test server to try out.  This is something that's generally a good thing to have in any case.
[02:30] <cellofellow> It's got Apache, MySQL, PostgreSQL, DNSMasq (very important).
[02:30] <cellofellow> Just a home server.
[02:52] <timboy2> anyone know anything about mod_rewrite? I'm trying to set it up for my mail server... this is my config: http://pastebin.ca/999907
[04:33] <eklof> Hi guys.
[04:34] <eklof> I noticed the update-script warned about trying to upgrade my server using ssh? Anyone had problems?
[04:35] <eklof> I'm not keen on going 200km just for the fun of it.
[04:35] <eklof> :)
[05:02] <ScottK> I've done several via ssh with no problems, but mine are on a different floor in the same building, so the risk level is different.
[05:12] <osmosis> how do I apply my hostname to the prompt after edit /etc/hostname  ?
[05:15] <dthacker> osmosis: logout and login again
[05:16] <osmosis> dthacker: i think its a matter of calling init or something
[05:17] <dthacker> osmosis: your prompt is set by reading the hostname when you log in.  If you've changed your hostname, logging in (or sourcing your .profile) will re-read the hostname and change your prompt.
[05:19] <osmosis> dthacker: ok
[05:30] <sls> I have hardy installed with likewise, and joined to a domain. How can I make it so that the admins in the domain are able to 'sudo'?
[05:48] <cyris||> Hello everyone. I just started tinkering with AppArmor and I have a profile loaded for samba (enforcing). Does anyone know where AppArmor logs to?
[06:25] <ferfactor> Hi someone here can give me support in Spanish please???
[08:07] <NineTeen67Comet> Hello, I've got a Hardy powered server here that seems to have difficulty with the transfer of large files (500mb+) in either direction. It simply locks up, no errors (syslog, messages or dmesg) that I can see. Ideas on what I can check out for the failures? (PIII 450, 368mb ram, 1x10gig, 2x320gig headless).
[08:08] <NineTeen67Comet> so far the only way to get it back is powerbutton hold down or reset button.
[08:10] <NineTeen67Comet> The box wont even ping once it's locked up so keeping ssh'ed in with tail running the logs results in nothing ..
[08:22] <a> hey
[08:25] <kraut> moin
[08:32] <a> I cant find any guides on creating a raid  0 after ubuntu server has been installed
[08:47] <lucent> a: it's not automated
[08:48] <lucent> a: I haven't tried it myself yet, but I was looking for a way to do RAID1 last night and found that "Manual Partitioning" should include the means to set this up
[08:51] <a> Well I have ubuntu server installed and working on an old sun server, it was 4 extra disks in it that Id like to set up in raid 0
[08:51] <a> it has*
[08:53] <lucent> 4?  don't you want 0+1 or 5?
[08:54] <_ruben> raid0 .. eeewwww
[08:54] <a> nah it wil be for very unimportant data
[08:54] <a> i just want to combine them into one giant disk, but not jbod
[08:57] <lucent> raid5 would be beneficial on read, penalty on write
[08:58] <a> then I only get half the space
[08:59] <lucent> what?
[08:59] <a> as opposed to raid 0
[08:59] <lucent> If I'm not mistaken, then you're confused about raid levels
[09:00] <lucent> four drives at 200mb each, you'd have 600mb accessible
[09:00] <a> ohh I was thinking of something else
[09:00] <lucent> in raid5 configuration it's the size of the smallest drive times the number of drives minus one
[09:01] <a> Ill take raid 5 then
[09:01] <lucent> and unless I'm confused, I thought raid0 was number of drives divided by two
[09:01] <a> so then back to the original question, how do I create a raid 5 array inside of ubuntu server
[09:02] <lucent> using Manual partitioning
[09:02] <lucent> it's one of the installation prompts
[09:02] <lucent> Automatic use entire disk, Guided partitioning using available space, Manual partitioning
[09:02] <a> Well its already installed
[09:02] <lucent> I've done live migrations before
[09:03] <lucent> it's not real easy to explain
[09:03] <a> well I wouldnt be changing the disk that linux is installed on
[09:03] <a> I have 5 disks in it total, the first one is holding ubuntu
[09:03] <a> Id like to raid 5 the remaining 4 disks
[09:04] <lucent> hm
[09:04] <lucent> LVM would be far easier
[09:04] <a> lvm?
[09:04] <lucent> Logical Volume Management, I think
[09:05] <lucent> there's two well known subsystems for grouping storage devices, LVM and md
[09:05] <lucent> md is the oldest and is specifically for implementing raid levels as software
[09:06] <a> http://www.howinthetech.com/quick-and-dirty-linux-software-raid5/
[09:06] <a> I found that
[09:06] <lucent> LVM is relatively new and does some more fancy things like migrations, labelling, and pseudo-raid
[09:06] <a> well keep in mind im pretty much brand new to linux
[09:07] <lucent> ah
[09:07] <lucent> LVM is simple to explain
[09:07] <a> btw thanks very much for helping me
[09:07] <lucent> if you don't like it you could always toast it and go with something else
[09:07] <lucent> it's good to learn about
[09:07] <a> dont like what, lvm or linux?
[09:08] <lucent> Volume Group comprised of several Logical volumes which are made from Physical volumes which are formatted block devices (partitions on a drive)
[09:08] <lucent> so, to make this simple, each of your target drives should have a single partition on the whole disk
[09:09] <lucent> the type I think is 0x8e, I'd have to check
[09:09] <a> well this is kind of where Im stuck
[09:09] <a> a guide tells me this:
[09:09] <a> Type $ cat /proc/diskstats. Mine were detected as /dev/hda and /dev/hdc.
[09:09] <a> To set up a partitition, run fdisk twice, each one for each disk and do the following:
[09:09] <a> $ fdisk /dev/hdX
[09:09] <a> how do I know which disks are which? that command gives me about 15
[09:10] <lucent> err
[09:10] <lucent> it's tough to say an answer
[09:10] <lucent> what makes them different to you?
[09:10] <a> I have no idea
[09:10] <a> theres sda1-4
[09:10] <lucent> 'fdisk -l' may give you a list as root user
[09:10] <a> sdc1-7
[09:11] <lucent> bad as this sounds, I'd be sort of interested to log into your box and peek around :P
[09:11] <a> I was actually about to ask you if youd like to do that, I really am lost here
[09:12] <a> its a really old sun server, finally wiped slow solaris 10 off of it and installed ubuntu server
[09:12] <lucent> it's cool, make sure there's nothing important on it and privmsg me the ssh details
[09:12] <a> nothing on it whatsoever, fresh install since about 15 minutes ago
[09:13] <lucent> will need "apt-get install openssh-server" to get sshd running, and a portforward to 22 tcp from your border
[09:13] <a> oh I know I know, ive already been sshd into it from this pc
[09:13] <a> changing my portforwards now, 22 was forwarded to my other server
[09:18] <lucent> a: whenever you're ready
[09:19] <a> i sent you a pm
[09:19] <lucent> I lost it :(
[09:19] <lucent> a: are you on a registered freenode nickname?
[09:19] <a> nope
[09:19] <lucent> users must have a registered nickname to talk to me
[09:19] <a> oh
[09:19] <a> hold on then
[09:19] <lucent> keeps spam bots out of my pants.
[09:20] <a> hehe
[09:24] <Fohdeesha1> its making me wait 2 minutes before using the register command
[09:28] <Fohdeesha1> stil lnot getting them lucent?
[10:49] <dna_> why isn't there apache2-mod-security in 8.04?:
[12:27] <lllegal> hello, I'm wondering if theres a iscsi target for ubuntu with support for scsi-3 pf (persistent reservation)
[12:27] <lllegal> also which iscsi target is preferred ?
[12:32] <piti> hi. I want to put a mail server (postfix courier) on my server, which provides a website too, and this website should send emails through the php mail() function. Will theses mails be sent without problems ? (for the moment, I only have put the original sendmail, without any other configuration.)
[12:40] <ScottK> Postfix provides sendmail binary that should be compatible.  I don't do that, but I expect it should work.
[13:06] <\sh> piti, it works out of the box
[13:06] <\sh> piti, postfix + php works really like a charm...
[13:16] <piti> thanks
[13:56] <sommer> happy monday
[14:11] <sls> I have hardy installed with likewise, and joined to a domain. How can I make it so that the admins in the domain are able to 'sudo'?
[14:13] <piti> sls: you should just add them to /etc/sudoers, don't you ?
[14:16] <piti> sls: ldap ?
[14:52] <nealmcb> Ubuntu Open Week starts in 10 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek
[14:53] <ScottK> nealmcb: Isn't it an hour and some minutes?
[14:54]  * nealmcb was just about to correct
[14:54] <nealmcb> make that 70 minutes :-)
[14:54] <ScottK> Which is still, rough order of magnitude, 10 minutes.
[14:54] <ScottK> ;-)
[14:55] <nealmcb> off by one?  :-)
[14:58] <nealmcb> I wonder if anyone has kept track of the average number of people in #ubuntu-server - seems to be growing nicely over time
[15:03] <ScottK> Since joins and departures are in the logs, with wget and some log parsing you could find out.
[15:05] <sls> piti, yes but how? whats the syntax for adding a group DOMAIN\domain admins?
[15:06] <piti> sls: have you lokked at this package ? >> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/sudo-ldap
[15:12] <nealmcb> ScottK: true - you could probably get some pretty good data.  And the network partitions would help correct for missing events during logging outages that would otherwise spoil the data
[15:13] <gegema> I am trying to upgrade our server from dapper to hardy. I have enabeled the dapper-updates and dapper-proposed repositories for main restricted and universe >> did an aotitude update, upgrade and dist-upgrade , installed update-manager-core and now that I am trying to "do-release-upgrade", I am getting a message that there is no new version of Ubuntu available
[15:13] <gegema> should I paste my sources.lst for someone to have a look at, maybe I am missing an important repo?
[15:14] <piti> gegema: what " cat /etc/lsb-release | grep CODENAME "gives to you ?
[15:15] <gegema> DISTRIB_CODENAME=dapper
[15:15] <ScottK> gegema: It was recommended that Dapper -> Hardy upgraders wait until 8.04.1 next month.  Dunno if that's why update manager isn't yet aware of it.
[15:16] <sls> piti, no I have not... I will.
[15:17] <gegema> maybe I still need the -d flag then...was assuming since hardy went live, -d was not necessary
[15:19] <rgl> is there a ubuntu jeos for amd64?
[15:19] <gegema> I had tried the awstats package on a VM hardy install which didn't work with my configuration.. and I wanted to do a dist-upgrade before going ahead and compiling awstats, just in casew
[15:19] <gegema> case**
[15:20] <nealmcb> ScottK: where did you see that recommendation?
[15:20] <ScottK> IIRC it was in the release announcement.
[15:20] <nealmcb> rgl: yes
[15:21] <rgl> nealmcb, where should I get the iso?
[15:21] <nealmcb> oops - maybe not...
[15:22] <nealmcb> spoke too soon - http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/jeos/releases/8.04/release/
[15:22] <rgl> yeah, I only found the i386 there :D
[15:22] <nealmcb> but you can use ubuntu-vm-builder to build your own custom image in a few minutes
[15:23] <rgl> nealmcb, neat.  thx :)
[15:23] <nealmcb> there is a bug with setting locales that you can check out
[15:23] <nealmcb> you just have to set one up yourself right now
[15:24] <nealmcb> rgl: yeah - ubuntu-vm-builder is sweet
[15:24] <nealmcb> if still a bit rough around the edges
[15:25] <ScottK> gegema: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading#head-e059d5452a24b50d09c64df48058ef2d834eb197-2 suggests do-release-upgrade -d.  Did you try with the -d option?
[15:40] <ScottK> sommer: This thread: http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/postfix/2008-04/1343.html has some discussion on Debian (and Ubuntu) specific cyrus-sasl setup stuff.  It might be worth looking to see if this is correctly documented for Ubuntu.
[15:42] <sommer> ScottK: cool, I'll check it out
[15:42] <ScottK> Thanks.
[16:30] <_ruben> hmm .. trying to figure out how syslogd-listfiles determins if a logfile is to be rotated daily or weekly ..
[16:30] <sommer> _ruben: look into logrotate
[16:30] <sommer> _ruben: specifically the scripts in /etc/logrotate.d
[16:31] <_ruben> logrotate is what im used to .. but syslog comes with its own mechanism .. then again, i might just trash those and go with logrotate as im used to using that :)
[16:32] <sommer> ah, sure either way... heh
[16:33] <_ruben> syslogd-listfiles is nice because you dont need to keep track of which files to rotate .. downside is: no per logfile 'rules' ;)
[16:33] <_ruben> ah well .. time for dinner and do some thinking in the background
[16:37] <_ruben> if only my ears hadnt tricked me into thinking girlfriend was home already .. back to work for a bit then :p
[17:10] <blueyed> Is there any reason why the "root" account does not get created when installing mysql-server?
[17:13] <blueyed> Only "debian-sys-maint" is in mysql.user (when started with --skip-grant-tables)
[18:07]  * delcoyote hi
[19:08] <mathiaz> dendrobates: do you know symas Openldap directory ?
[19:08] <dendrobates> mathiaz: nope.  is it a commercial ldap?
[19:09] <mathiaz> dendrobates: don't know - I was just reading a blog post about using mysql ndb cluster engine as an openldap backend
[19:09] <dendrobates> mathiaz: oh, nevermind, I think this is where most of the openldap developers work.
[19:10] <dendrobates> howard chu works there and is coming ot uds.
[19:19] <zul> ach launchpad is painful today
[19:36] <ScottK> Even more than usual.
[19:58] <_CitizenKane__> hi everyone, i've been looking into network monitoring software (nagios, zenoss, etc.) and I was wondering if anyone knew of a website that had a good comparison or had a personal preference?
[19:59] <_CitizenKane__> I did some googling but I turned up empty handed
[20:00] <sommer> I'm a nagios fan :)
[20:00] <sommer> if nagios was peanut butter I'd put it on a sandwhich and eat it with jelly
[20:02] <_CitizenKane__> sommer: be playing with nagios, not exactly in love with configuration but it seems to be pretty solid
[20:03] <_CitizenKane__> gah, been playing with nagios, i really need to get more sleep
[20:05] <erimar77> look into opennms, that's pretty nice too
[20:05] <erimar77> and self discovering
[20:15] <giovani> _CitizenKane__: nagios is the standard, takes some getting used to, but is the most scalable of any free monitoring software I've seen
[20:16] <bamed> OpenNMS is designed more for Enterprise-level infrastructures than nagios is
[20:17] <_CitizenKane__> well, not for a huge network, mostly just need something that has good notifications when things go down, or when certain conditions, like hard drive space running out occur
[20:18] <bamed> either one should do that
[20:19] <giovani> and smaller ones will too
[20:19] <giovani> if it's really not a large network, and you need something up quick ... jffnms meets your requirements
[20:25] <_CitizenKane__> alright, i'll look into everything, thanks for the help everyone
[20:52] <stiv2k> Apparently you do not have both the openssl binary and openssl development libraries installed.
[20:52] <stiv2k> what packages are these named ?
[20:52] <stiv2k> openssl and openssl-dev or something?
[20:58] <giovani> yes
[20:58] <giovani> apt-cache search is your friend
[20:59] <giovani> libssl0.9.8 and libssl-dev
[20:59] <giovani> or use openssl
[21:00] <giovani> if you want all the tools, etc
[21:44] <Vlet> Anyone know if 7.04 supports 'multiplying' esata controllers at all?
[21:55] <rpop> Could someone help me configure virtual hosts on Apache? It's not intuitive for me.
[22:01] <rpop> Is there someone here who can help me figure out how to configure Apache virtual hosts on Ubuntu 7?
[22:01] <seanh> rpop: there are quite a few good articles on that on the net
[22:01] <seanh> http://www.devshed.com/c/a/Apache/Configuring-and-Using-Virtual-Hosts-in-Apache/
[22:01] <seanh> what are you getting hung up on?
[22:01] <seanh> http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/vhosts/name-based.html
[22:02] <seanh> or for apache2, http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/vhosts/name-based.html
[22:02] <rpop> I've been checking several articles (it's Apache 2.0), and I'm getting hung up because when I restart Apache, it tells me VirtualHost overlaps with some other VirtualHost
[22:03] <rpop> After I installed Apache, httpd.conf was blank, but I understand it needs to have a config in there. The Ubuntu docs say nothing about that file though.
[22:03] <rpop> They tell me to edit the config in /etc/apache2/sites-available
[22:04] <rpop> So I set up an additional host, edited its config file, put includes in the http.conf file, and yet I still can't restart apache properly.
[22:04] <rpop> I'm new to Apache configs, and I can't seem to find definitive documentation.
[22:05] <rpop> I need something I can use with two virtual hosts, the default one, and an additional one.
[22:05] <faulkes-> http.conf is deprecated, well, to a point for apache2, you do wnat sites-available but you need to enable those sites once created using en2site
[22:05] <faulkes-> which will create symlinks to sites-enabled
[22:05] <rpop> see, it's confusing, because I haven't seen anywhere in the docs that httpd.conf is deprecated. so frustrating...
[22:06] <rpop> do I even need the includes in httpd.conf?
[22:06] <rpop> should it just be blank?
[22:06] <Mimi> rpop:  Read the topic, there's so much documentation there https://help.ubuntu.com/7.10/server/C/  oh and ofcourse http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/
[22:07] <rpop> I've been going through the Apache.org documentation. It's confusing to me, honestly.
[22:07] <rpop> I'm used to IIS, where I have a nice, intuitive GUI. I have to set up a site in Apache, and I've already wasted a few days trying to sort through confusing documentation.
[22:09] <Mimi> Security and freedom isn't easy :D
[22:09]  * Mimi winks.
[22:09] <rpop> Well, I wish it were, for the sake of those of us who aren't used to Terminal and obscure Linux commands and config files.
[22:09] <blue-frog__> rpop: apt-get install apache2    copy your site to /var/www  is difficult?
[22:10] <rpop> I'm trying to configure a separate site, not use the default one.
[22:10] <rpop> I want to learn how to do that properly, not just blindly use what's there.
[22:10] <faulkes-> it's a little more than just a cp depending on his setup
[22:10] <faulkes-> especially if he's coming from IIS
[22:11] <faulkes-> and he is here asking questions
[22:11] <faulkes-> so, lets do our best
[22:11] <rpop> what I want to do is to set up a wordpress site. you wouldn't happen to know of a GUI for Apache/MySQL/PHP for Ubuntu?
[22:11] <rpop> I've already installed all three.
[22:12] <rpop> Now I need to configure the site.
[22:12] <rpop> Then make sure PHP can run on that site.
[22:12] <rpop> Then I think I can take it from there, because I've used WordPress and MySQL already.
[22:14] <ScottK> rpop: Hang in there.  The transition is painful, but at the end of it you will understand what your system is doing and be able to control it much better.
[22:16] <rpop> I'll try, but in the meantime, you wouldn't happen to know what this means? "[warn] VirtualHost <IP_ADDRESS>:0 overlaps with VirtualHost <IP_ADDRESS>:0, the first has precedence, perhaps you need a NameVirtualHost directive"
[22:16] <rpop> I tried the NameVirtualHost directives, and I got errors with that as well.
[22:16] <rpop> What gives?
[22:17] <ScottK> Sorry.  I know about mail servers, not web servers.
[22:19] <Nafallo> :-)
[22:19] <faulkes-> rpop: you have two choices, which would be named virtual hosts, or ip based virtual hosts
[22:20] <rpop> Right.
[22:20] <faulkes-> :0 typically indicates a port #
[22:20] <Nafallo> I don't use virtual interfaces so... :-)
[22:20] <Nafallo> ah.
[22:20] <Nafallo> dooh
[22:20] <faulkes-> so
[22:20] <rpop> I'm naming each site by IP
[22:20] <Nafallo> I read bad today :-D
[22:21] <faulkes-> rpop: those ip's do not appear to be globally routed
[22:21] <Nafallo> rpop: what ports are you trying to listen on?
[22:21] <faulkes-> i.e. 1918 space
[22:21] <rpop> Not naming ports, so it's listening on all, not just 80. Should I name them?
[22:21] <rpop> faulkes-, not understanding that.
[22:22] <rpop> I edited the hosts file to map IP addresses to host names.
[22:22] <rpop> Is that what you mean?
[22:22] <Nafallo> rpop: /etc/apache2/ports.conf
[22:22] <rpop> Okay, that lists 80 and 443
[22:22] <Nafallo> rpop: also, you should have ip:port in your virtual host's conffiles :-)
[22:22] <faulkes-> rpop: that is entirely different, 172.16 is rfc 1918 space, it is not globally routed, so I'm assuming this is on your local lan
[22:23] <rpop> faulkes-, right, it is.
[22:23] <Nafallo> rpop: i.e. for the first virtual host something like this:
[22:23] <faulkes-> there are several things which must occur
[22:23] <Nafallo> NameVirtualHost *:80
[22:23] <Nafallo> <VirtualHost *:80>
[22:23] <rpop> i have two conf files under sites-available: default and blogs
[22:23] <faulkes-> 1. you must have virtual interfaces setup, i.e. eth0:1 = 172.16.x.x, eth0:1 = 172.16.x.y, etc. etc.
[22:24] <rpop> I do
[22:24] <Nafallo> faulkes-: that's not how I do it :-)
[22:24] <Nafallo> faulkes-: I have multiple IPs per interface instead.
[22:24] <rpop> I have two IPs for eth0 interface.
[22:24] <faulkes-> 2. you must setup individual config files for each site, each site should like the IP and only the IP - ignore dns / host resolution and only deal with ip's
[22:25] <rpop> And each of them is mapped to a host name in the host file.
[22:25] <rpop> okay, i'll remove host names from site configs.
[22:25] <faulkes-> hosts file on the client, or server?
[22:25] <rpop> i'll do it right now.
[22:25] <rpop> hosts file on server.
[22:25] <rpop> on the ubuntu machine where i have apache installed.
[22:25] <faulkes-> wait, what?
[22:25] <rpop> ?
[22:26] <faulkes-> the server is ubuntu, which is where the /etc/hosts file is
[22:26] <rpop> right, that's the file I edited to map the two IP addresses to the host name
[22:27] <rpop> Here's what I said there:
[22:27] <rpop> <IP_ADDRESS> lamp.domain.com lamp
[22:27] <rpop> <IP_ADDRESS> blogs.domain.com blogs
[22:27] <rpop> is that wrong?
[22:27] <rpop> domain being our domain, of course.
[22:28] <rpop> Okay, just replaced host names in site configs with IP addresses.
[22:29] <rpop> But when I restart Apache, I still get the error about VirtualHost overlapping.
[22:31] <faulkes-> well, I will be back in about 45 minutes, I have to head home
[22:32] <rpop> i'll probably still be here, banging my head against my desk...
[22:32] <seanh> i can help you with that rpop, just give me a moment to finish a few other things
[22:34] <rpop> Thank you!
[22:34] <seanh> can you send me your httpd and site config files
[22:34] <seanh> via paste bin or something
[22:34] <seanh> http://pastebin.com/
[22:34] <seanh> and the last error you got when you tried to restart apache
[22:38] <rpop> okay, will do
[22:42] <rpop> Almost done pasting all the stuff, just a sec
[22:44] <rpop> seanh, here it is: http://pastebin.com/d6eb19fad
[22:50] <seanh> can you put port numbers after you ip addresses
[22:52] <rpop> Will do and restart Apache, then let you know what happens
[22:53] <seanh> can you also send the output from httpd -s
[22:53] <seanh> you may have to give it the full dir
[22:53] <rpop> what's the full directory?
[22:54] <seanh>   /usr/local/apache2/bin/
[22:54] <rpop> still getting same error on apache restart
[22:54] <seanh> not sure where it is on your machine, i don't have an ubuntu system up right infront of me right now to check
[22:54] <rpop> no such file or directory
[22:55] <rpop> I have /etc/apache2/
[22:55] <rpop> and /var/www
[22:55] <seanh> that's config files only
[22:55] <seanh> "locate httpd"
[22:55] <rpop> just got a boatload of locations
[22:56] <rpop> most of them in /usr/share/doc
[22:56] <rpop> one in /usr/lib/apache2/modules/
[22:57] <seanh> hold on, let me look up where it's kept
[23:00] <blue-frog__> seanh: there is no httpd, only apache2
[23:01] <seanh> is that what ubuntu installs it under?
[23:01] <seanh> i have trouble remember all this stuff, everybody does it there own way :-p
[23:03] <seanh> ok
[23:04] <seanh> rpop: apache2 -S   should work
[23:04] <seanh> it looks like it's in /usr/sbin/apache2
[23:04] <rpop> okay, it works
[23:05] <rpop> gives me the same virtualhost overlapping error, then lists the two virtual hosts. says syntax is OK.
[23:07] <seanh> is the error any more infomative?
[23:08] <rpop> no, same exact wording. hold on, I think there's a way to update the pastebin posting. i'll let you see it.
[23:09] <seanh> in reading though the config docs, i'm not sure you can do "servername #.#.#.ip"
[23:10] <seanh> i think it needs to be a domain
[23:10] <seanh> i'm still looking at that
[23:10] <rpop> okay, here's the new link, and the output is at the top: http://pastebin.com/d3015eab8
[23:11] <rpop> faulkes- said to stick to ip addresses and to take out the domain names, that's why I did that.
[23:13] <seanh> Syntax:	ServerName fully-qualified-domain-name[:port]
[23:14] <seanh> that's off of the apache webpage
[23:14] <rpop> okay, I'll switch it back
[23:15] <rpop> but I'm still getting the virtualHost overlap error.
[23:22] <seanh> out of curiosity, what happens if you put something like "namevirtualhost *" in the httpd.conf?
[23:23] <seanh> (i'm trying to replicate your setup on a machine)
[23:24] <rpop> i get the following additional error: NameVirtualHost *:0 has no VirtualHosts
[23:25] <rpop> This is the sort of thing that makes it so confusing. According to the documentation, it should be straightforward, but it isn't. I haven't touched any other config files, and yet it's still not working properly.
[23:25] <seanh> meh, it's one of those things that is very specific about syntax, so one little thing throws it off
[23:28] <rpop> i'm going to reboot the machine, just in case.
[23:28] <rpop> i'm using irc on a different machine, so i'll remain online here
 hello, I'm wondering if theres a iscsi target for ubuntu with support for scsi-3 pf (persistent reservation)
 also which iscsi target is preferred ?
[23:29] <lllegal> anyone ?
[23:30] <rpop> another thing I just noticed is that the VM where Ubuntu is running has been using 100% CPU all along.
[23:30] <rpop> ugh. as if i didn't have enough problems.
[23:32] <seanh> lllegal: i'm not sure, i haven't messed with it inside ubuntu, only in esx
[23:32] <seanh> rpop: what's using the cpu?
[23:32] <seanh> rpop: "top"
[23:32] <rpop> have no clue
[23:32] <rpop> restarted it, will see if it still occurs afterwards. don't know where to look for something like Task Manager in Ubuntu.
[23:34] <seanh> top
[23:35] <seanh> or ps
[23:35] <rpop> you mean i should type that in terminal?
[23:37] <rpop> typed it, and also monitoring VM's cpu graph externally
[23:37] <rpop> right now, it's definitely nowhere near 100%, like it was before.
[23:37] <rpop> it's more like 100-300 MHz
[23:38] <seanh> ps aux | sort -n +2 | tail -1
[23:38] <seanh> should give you the top cpu user
[23:38] <rpop> it's root
[23:38] <rpop> at 2.3%
[23:38] <rpop> wish i'd ran that command before restarting...
[23:38] <seanh> what process though?
[23:39] <seanh> to thr right of the date should be the process that's running
[23:39] <rpop> Xorg (remote desktop?)
[23:39] <seanh> X
[23:39] <seanh> the gui
[23:39] <rpop> i'm using TightVNC to get to it
[23:39] <rpop> oh
[23:39] <rpop> okay
[23:40] <rpop> well, CPU is back to normal now.
[23:40] <seanh> i can not for the life of me get my machine to give me the same error you're getting :-p
[23:40] <rpop> any more ideas about Apache?
[23:40] <rpop> bummer
[23:40] <rpop> what should i do? can I start over with Apache?
[23:40] <rpop> what should I do to "reset to factory settings"? :-)
[23:42] <seanh> you added the namevirtualhost setting right?
[23:42] <seanh> what does it say right now?
[23:42] <rpop> same error
[23:43] <rpop> [warn] VirtualHost <IP_ADDRESS>:80 overlaps with VirtualHost <IP_ADDRESS>:80, the first has precedence, perhaps you need a NameVirtualHost directive
[23:43] <rpop> and...
[23:43] <rpop> [warn] NameVirtualHost *:0 has no VirtualHosts
[23:43] <timboy> apache was working for me fine and I got rid of some ssl stuff now  i'm having an apache issue: all I see is a white page with Index of / then below that I see Name Last Modified Size Description and nothing under there even though there are things in that directory. how do i track this down?
[23:44] <timboy> rpop, open up your /etc/apache2/httpd.conf and put this line in it: NameVirtualHost your ip address:80
[23:44] <seanh> rpop: no, i meant what's the config set to
[23:44] <seanh> namevirtualserver something
[23:44] <seanh> i was going to say *:80
[23:44] <rpop> well, you said to put in NameVirtualServer *, and that's what I did.
[23:44] <seanh> but, sure
[23:45] <rpop> i mean NameVirtualHost *
[23:45] <rpop> That's what it has right now
[23:45] <rpop> (the httpd.conf file)
[23:46] <timboy> rpop, try putting your ip address after NameVirtualHost followed by :80
[23:47] <rpop> Okay, now I have two entries there, one for each IP address
[23:47] <rpop> Saving file, rebooting apache
[23:48] <rpop> Now getting fewer errors, but still same annoying error message: "[warn] NameVirtualHost <IP_ADDRESS>:80 has no VirtualHosts". I get this error message twice and that's it.
[23:48] <timboy> you only need it for ip's that you'll be doing name based virtual hosting. not for the ones that are ip based. IE if you have a page that has it's own ip address you do it a different way
[23:48] <timboy> rpop, that means that you don't have any virtual hosts set to <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:48] <timboy> create one and you won't get that
[23:48] <rpop> I thought I did. I created them in the hosts file. Do I have to name them somewhere else?
[23:49] <timboy> shouldn't. did you set them to port 80?
[23:49] <rpop> I specified the IP addresses in the site config files as well, and set them to port 80
[23:50] <timboy> i just went through that myself. I started creating individual files for each site...
[23:51] <rpop> so where do I specify the virtual hosts, if not in the site configs and in the hosts file? is there another place?