[03:41] <nickrud> Madpilot, I take it that azureus is in backports or extras?
[03:41] <h17m4n> but on the right, where you actually check the package to install, is empty
[03:41] <juanej> how do i uninstall eye of gnome?
[03:42] <nickrud> juanej, why would you want to?
[03:42] <zcat[1] > apt-get remove eog ?
[03:42] <Madpilot> nickrud: hoary-extras, looks like. sorry, I thought it was in uni or multi...
[03:42] <juanej> nickrud, i want to use gthumb
[03:42] <nickrud> Madpilot, then, info should have found it
[03:42] <nickrud> heh
[03:42] <juanej> i dont like eog
[03:43] <thellama> is there any way to uninstall the last batch of software i installed via synaptic, like undo or something? currently I have to look in history and uninstall each one manually
[03:43] <nickrud> juanej, then, right click an image, and, under properties, select open with and choose gthumb. That's what I did.
[03:43] <nickrud> juanej, you will have to do that with each image type, but only once for each.
[03:44] <zcat[1] > just apt-get remove eog .. nothing else depends on it.
[03:44] <Madpilot> gthumb > eog
[03:44] <juanej> theres no way to uninstall it?
[03:44] <thellama> they should add that feature (I just installed muine and dependencies, but don't like it so now i have to find all of them and uninstall them myself)
[03:44] <Paradoxx> how do you reinstall things useing apt-get?
[03:44] <nickrud> zcat[1] , ubuntu desktop depends on it.
[03:44] <zcat[1] > if you're not using it why waste 2.8M of disk on it.
[03:44] <Paradoxx> apt-get reinstall?
[03:44] <zcat[1] > I just removed it here, The following packages will be REMOVED:
[03:44] <zcat[1] >   eog
[03:44] <nickrud> not a good idea, removing ubuntu-desktop
[03:45] <nickrud> zcat[1] , then, you've already removed ubuntu-desktop :)
[03:45] <juanej> thx zcat[1]
[03:45] <Paradoxx> ??
[03:45] <juanej> im using xfce
[03:45] <Madpilot> thellama: you can un-install in Synaptic, just select an installed package and choose remove...
[03:45] <zcat[1] > odd.. I don't recall doing that :)
[03:45] <juanej> hehe
[03:45] <nickrud> ah, then, my right click sh* was useless :)
[03:46] <zcat[1] > I installed kde, perhaps that's the difference, but I still have gnome installed
[03:46] <zcat[1] > Yeah, ubuntu-desktop's not installed. How odd!
[03:47] <nickrud> zcat[1] , out of curiosity, did you use a meta-package to install gnome? And, not odd, considering the way you got to gnome :)
[03:47] <Chadza> Two questions, I'm trying to install ut2k4.  How do I run a script and then how do I make sure I have drivers working for my video card?
[03:47] <QuestionY> Question: /mnt$ touch untouchable
[03:47] <QuestionY> touch: cannot touch `untouchable': Permission denied
[03:47] <Octane> anyone here get real player to work on amd64
[03:47] <Dr_Willis> sh whateverscript
[03:47] <zcat[1] > I installed standard ubuntu then apt-got kde and a bunch of kde apps.
[03:48] <Chadza> Thanks Dr_Willis.
[03:48] <zcat[1] > I don't recall ever removing ubuntu-desktop, but I guess it might have got replaced with plain gnome at some point..
[03:48] <QuestionY> Hello World
[03:48] <Dr_Willis> i was thinking ubuntu-desktop was some meta-package that just listed a lot of other dependencies.
[03:48] <JRlinux> Octane I would install Ubuntu64 , but the live version does not find my sound.
[03:49] <Answer> HELLO WORLD
[03:49] <nickrud> Dr_Willis, exactly. And, if you try to remove any package depended upon by ubuntu-desktop, you'd have to remove ubuntu desktop to remove the package.
[03:49] <zcat[1] > If I ask for ubuntu-desktop it wants to install eog and gaim too..
[03:49] <Answer> Question: [From Live CD]  How to mount /dev/hda2 in read/write mode?
[03:50] <thellama> if i had to pick one, which one should i pick: vlc or mplayer?
[03:50] <Paradoxx> how do you reinstall useing apt-get any1?
[03:50] <nickrud> zcat[1] , apt-cache depends ubuntu-desktop will tell you what comes with ubuntu
[03:50] <zcat[1] > apt-get install --reinstall
[03:50] <Paradoxx> ty much
[03:51] <Paradoxx> kk, thx zcat, cause it wasn't workin at first
[03:51] <Paradoxx> :)
[03:51] <thellama> so zcat votes for mplayer, anyone vote for vlc?
[03:52] <ficusplanet> Hey everyone.  I set up breezy at home a few days ago and I'm getting a really strange behavior in the shell.  Typing is delayed by a letter (for example, typing "ls -R /" will result in "ls -R " on the screen.  And output of commands also comes out in erratic, incomplete chunks instead of as expected.  The same thing happens if I log in over ssh.  What couple possibly be happening here?
[03:52] <thellama> wow
[03:52] <thellama> ficusplanet: breezy is in development, beta\
[03:52] <zcat[1] > breezy is still beta ?
[03:52] <zcat[1] > yeah..
[03:53] <thellama> it is for testing
[03:53] <WindowsXP> Hello everyone!!! ;)
[03:53] <Answer> nickrud Xappe mcphail Question: [From Live CD[ How can i get write access for newly create partition /dev/hda2 (mounted as /mnt)
[03:53] <jsgotangco> hi WindowsXP
[03:53] <ficusplanet> thellama, I'm well aware of that.  I don't think that means I should ignore bugs.  I'd really like to try and figure out what is going on so I can make sure it's fixed in the final.
[03:53] <ficusplanet> Has anyone experienced a similar problem?
[03:54] <thellama> ficusplanet: well said :) but I am a total newb at linux so unfortunatley I can't help you
[03:54] <crimsun> ficusplanet: any clues in dmesg?
[03:54] <Dr_Willis> ficusplanet,  what sort of system ya running that on?
[03:54] <the4bagger> hey, i am having trouble starting Xserver...can somebody please IM me who can help?
[03:54] <Answer> Now I don't get any responses :/
[03:54] <nickrud> Answer, try sudo umount /mnt ; sudo mount -t ext3 -o umask=000 /dev/hda2 /mnt
[03:54] <ficusplanet> Dr_Willis, It's an nforce2 mobo with a sempron and 256mb of RAM, nothing out of the ordinary.
[03:55] <Dr_Willis> ficusplanet,  that the 64bit semperron?  Ive got a Turion (64 bit) cpu in my laptop and its giveing linux all sorts of fits. :(
[03:55] <thellama> what is the difference with the ubuntu backports repository?
[03:55] <ficusplanet> Dr_Willis, No, 32bit.
[03:55] <Answer> nickrud: root@ubuntu:/home/ubuntu # sudo mount -t ext3 -o umask=000 /dev/hda2 /mnt
[03:55] <Answer> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda2,
[03:55] <Answer>        missing codepage or other error
[03:55] <Answer>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[03:55] <Answer>        dmesg | tail  or so
[03:56] <Xappe> Answer: -o user,rw
[03:56] <WindowsXP> Is there a stealth mode in either GAIM or Kopete?
[03:56] <ficusplanet> crimsun, Not really much of interest in dmesg.
[03:57] <nickrud> heh, sorry Answer I'll look closer
[03:57] <WindowsXP> !Botsnack
[03:57] <ubotu> :)
[03:57] <the4bagger> please PM me if you can help with the following error: (EE)Screen(s) found, but none have usable configuration.
[03:57] <ficusplanet> crimsun, It's strange because GNOME itself works flawlessly, no input problems at all.  Just the shell.  I guess I could try to reinstall bash.
[03:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> i need sound!!!!!
[03:57] <nickrud> Answer, you're trying to download an ubuntu install iso on that partition, right?
[03:57] <Dr_Willis> the4bagger,  your X config is not set up right.. check the ubuntu wikis on configuring X.
[03:57] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: does a Hoary live cd work correctly?
[03:58] <thellama> how do I enable shadows under menus and windows in breezy?
[03:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> hmm..lemme see whether i have one
[03:58] <Answer> nickrud: I cannot download the installer to there because it is not mounted correctly
[03:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> >:(
[03:58] <Dr_Willis> thellama,  hmm - isent that  nvidia driver option?
[03:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> WindowsXP I did an upgrade and now i have no sound.
[03:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun did i mention that the upgrade upgraded my kernel.
[03:58] <WindowsXP> To Breezy?
[03:59] <thellama> Dr_Willis: really? thats too bad...
[03:59] <thellama> i have like a rage or something in this old g3 ibook...
[03:59] <thellama> radeon
[03:59] <ficusplanet> BROKEN_LADDER, What kind of sound card do you have?
[03:59] <Dr_Willis> thellama,  i know nvidia drivers HAVE that feature. :P   could set the shadow darkness. and offsets..  not sure if normal X has that feature or not.
[04:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> ich5
[04:00] <thellama> okay, thanks Dr_Willis
[04:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> ficusplanet bear in mind, it worked for the past 8 months until i did a recent apt-get upgrade
[04:00] <Xappe> thellama: search the forums for composite and xcompmgr
[04:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> intel onboard audio with the realtek something er-other chipset
[04:00] <thellama> Xappe: I'll try that now
[04:00] <Answer> Answer: root$ chown ubuntu /mnt
[04:00] <ficusplanet> crimsun, I notice that there is both a supported and an unsupported bash package in breezy.  Any idea why?
[04:00] <Answer> Answer2: Launch firefox as root
[04:01] <Ahmuck> BROKEN_LADDER: ?
[04:01] <ficusplanet> BROKEN_LADDER, And you have not available devices in the Volume Mixer under your Sound & Video menu, correct?
[04:01] <Dr_Willis> go for it BROKEN_LADDER  :P
[04:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> audio works fine on my maudio delta, but that's the card i use for jack.
[04:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> available devices?
[04:01] <nickrud> Answer, ok, a hack: sudo umount -t ext3 /dev/hda /mnt ; sudo chmod +w /mnt  Then, try downloading into mount.
[04:01] <ficusplanet> BROKEN_LADDER, Under the file menu of the mixer, there is a device submenu?  Is your card available in it?
[04:02] <Answer> nickrud: Thank You! Firefox setting needed to be changed.  chown ubuntu /mnt allows
[04:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> ficusplanet sure it is.
[04:02] <Xappe> thellama: but I guess you have to choose between fancy unstable windows or 3d-acceleration
[04:02] <ficusplanet> BROKEN_LADDER, And the mixer settings are set up properly for the card?  If it is in the mixer menu, it isn't a driver issue - most likely.
[04:02] <nickrud> Answer, I am always operating on my edge here, I hope it works for you.
[04:02] <Answer> nickrud: Thank You! [Now downloading Install CD .iso to /dev/hda2 as /mnt/dl/ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso]
[04:03] <Answer> Question: How can I partition /dev/hda to boot from the Install CD .iso?
[04:03] <Ahmuck> is the current ubuntu download up 2 date with the current firefox release ?
[04:03] <BROKEN_LADDER> alsamixer?
[04:03] <Ahmuck> live cd ?
[04:03] <ficusplanet> BROKEN_LADDER, Any mixer you're comfortable using.
[04:04] <jmg> what wiki engine does w.u.o run on?
[04:04] <nickrud> Answer, as I said I do admire persistence :)
[04:04] <Madpilot> jmg: MoinMoin
[04:04] <thellama> Xappe: where could I find such an option?
[04:04] <jmg> madpilot: does moinmoin run on plone/
[04:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> ficusplanet well, that's part of the question.  in the past, it took a million different combinations of settings before the card just started working.  then it has worked for months and months, and only occasionally had problems, which were fixed by just toggling some mixer settinsg again.
[04:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> ficusplanet i have no idea exactly what the mixer settings should be.  it seems that it works with the pcm and master volume muted generally.
[04:05] <Madpilot> jmg: no idea. track down the Moin homepage?
[04:05] <Xappe> thellama, I think dri and composite together is a no go...
[04:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> cause i'm using spdif
[04:05] <thellama> Xappe: okay, I'll just forget about it :)
[04:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> i don't hear that bleeping from esd when i start it up.
[04:05] <ficusplanet> crimsun, Reinstalling bash/rebooting seems to have fixed the problem.
[04:05] <Xappe> thellama: but i'm not sure if you have to disable dri before using the composite extension, or if that will be done automagically
[04:06] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: checked the digital out page(s) on alsa.opensrc.org ?
[04:06] <nickrud> Xappe, you sure about that? I mean, what's the point of composite if it doesn't work with gl?
[04:07] <nickrud> a philosophical question, not a technical one.
[04:07] <bimberi> jmg:  no, moinmoin is python but not plone (or zope)
[04:08] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun that page says : #  IEC958 Output: Press M to unmute.
[04:08] <BROKEN_LADDER> # IEC958: Set to "PCM Out".
[04:08] <BROKEN_LADDER> # IEC958 1: Set to "PCM Out".
[04:08] <johndarkhorse> moinmoin is nasty
[04:08] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun  that makes no sense, because those aren't options.
[04:08] <Xappe> nickrud: check the forums, there are lots and lots of ppl complaining about bad performance on composite with their radeons
[04:08] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun i can do the first one, unmute.  but the re is no place where you can set iec958 to "pcm out" or anything like that.
[04:08] <Dr_Willis> !nvidia
[04:08] <ubotu> rumour has it, nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[04:08] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: chipset-specific, ignore what isn't applicable to your chipset
[04:08] <Xappe> nickrud: but i've never bothered trying that myself
[04:08] <BROKEN_LADDER> okay
[04:08] <crimsun> back later.
[04:09] <nickrud> I tried wobbly windows under a voodoo3; it's enough to make me buy an nvidia (not radeon :)
[04:09] <ficusplanet> Xappe, Any radeon's after the 9200 aren't supported by dri in the open source drivers and the proprietary ATI drivers don't accelerate the RENDER extension of X so composite performance is currently rather bad with them.
[04:10] <zdennis> hey all... i am trying to dualboot my windows and ubuntu installs using the windows NT Loader. When I select to load from my Ubuntu install (which points to c:\linboot.bin) it says IO.sys not found and it just hangs
[04:10] <bur[n] er> zdennis: afaik, you can't load linux from the XP bootloader
[04:10] <bur[n] er> user grub
[04:10] <zdennis> I created my linboot.bin by copying over the first 512 bytes of my linux /boot partition into linboot.bin, and then copying it to a floppy first
[04:10] <zcat[1] > suggestion; booting NT with GRUB is much easier than booting Linux from the NT loader.
[04:10] <bur[n] er> use grub rather
[04:11] <zdennis> I dont run XP, i run Win2K
[04:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> woah!  i just heard something.
[04:11] <bur[n] er> whatever, same thing... just use grub
[04:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> i killed esd and heard a split second of audio
[04:11] <thellama> am I missing any repositories?
[04:11] <thellama> vlc:
[04:11] <thellama>  Depends: dbus-1 (>=0.23.4) but it is not installable
[04:11] <thellama>  Depends: libflac6  but it is not installable
[04:11] <thellama>  Depends: libhal0 (>=0.4.0) but it is not installable
[04:11] <thellama>  Depends: libmodplug0 (>=1:0.7-1) but it is not installable
[04:11] <thellama>  Depends: wxvlc but it is not going to be installed
[04:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> shit now it's working!
[04:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> i don't know why!
[04:11] <zcat[1] > You can boot linux from the windows loader, but it's megafsckinghard
[04:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> i didn't do ANYTHING
[04:11] <zdennis> My ubuntu install is way down the food chain.  :P
[04:11] <zdennis> or at least, the hard drive is down the food chain
[04:11] <Dr_Willis> "i killed esd and heard a split second of audio" --- that was doing somthing.
[04:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> argghh!!
[04:12] <ficusplanet> BROKEN_LADDER, What apps are trying to play sound with?
[04:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> no no no
[04:12] <thellama> i cant install vlc, what's wrong?
[04:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> i had turned esd on and off a million times today
[04:12] <Xappe> ficusplanet: hmm, so maybe the radeon 9000 in the old ibooks will do composite just fine then?
[04:12] <Dr_Willis> Lol
[04:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> this time i had esd on, then set xmms to write out to hw:0,4 and then killed esd and then got audio
[04:12] <ficusplanet> Xappe, It should, yes.
[04:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> this is some kind of glitch
[04:12] <thellama> breezy
[04:12] <zcat[1] > you think that's difficult, I'm loading kde from gdm.. artsd and esd don't play nicely together :(
[04:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> is there any way to disable volume control, so that the sound is sent bit-per-bit identical to the source through the spdif?
[04:13] <Xappe> thellama: did you see that? I probably was wrong about the radeon vs. composite thing
[04:13] <thellama> aha
[04:13] <zcat[1] > afk.
[04:13] <thellama> so could i turn it on?
[04:13] <thellama> would I get shadows?
[04:14] <thellama> would I be able to revert?
[04:14] <Xappe> thellama: do you have a radeon 9000 in your ibook g3? (I have)
[04:14] <nickrud> !sound
[04:14] <ubotu> I heard sound is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems/
[04:14] <thellama> hmm, radeon mobility M7 is what it says...
[04:15] <thellama> it's the white ibook, not the colorful one
[04:15] <ficusplanet> thellama, Turning on the composite extension won't do much different for you.  You also have to use a compositing manager - most commonly xcompmgr.  You can run glxgears to get an idea of whether you have direct rendering capabilities or not.
[04:15] <Xappe> thellama: you could at least try, and disable it if it's slowing your comp down too much
[04:15] <thellama> okay
[04:15] <thellama> what exactly would it give me?
[04:15] <thellama> besides possible slowness
[04:16] <nickrud> huh, that does belong in categorycleanup
[04:16] <ficusplanet> thellama, with xcompmgr you can have drop shadows and make windows fade in and menu semi-translucent.  Without it, you'll just have slightly smoother window movements.
[04:17] <thellama> ooo sounds nice, especially since I'm so used to tiger and all ;)
[04:17] <thellama> so where do i find xcompmgr?
[04:17] <ficusplanet> You can install it from synaptic.
[04:17] <dalamar> does anyone know of any voice recognition software or voice command stuff for linux?
[04:18] <Dr_Willis> dalamar,  ive never seen any that work for windows. :P
[04:18] <dalamar> Dr_Willis, I've actually had alot of success with them in windows heh
[04:18] <Dr_Willis> ya can make it talk with.. err.. what was that program.. .... lol... Festival
[04:18] <Dr_Willis> dalamar,  tell that to my wife.. she keeps trying the things.. then gets mad at them.
[04:19] <dalamar> i dont want it to talk I just wanted to use it to open things and navigate primarily
[04:19] <Dr_Willis> "come read this  to the computer so it learns how to listen honey..."  - "ugh dear.. YOU need to read it.."
[04:19] <thellama> i installed xcompmgr, now what?
[04:19] <Dr_Willis> :P
[04:19] <Xappe> thellama: glxinfo should tell you if you have direct rendering or not btw
[04:19] <Dr_Willis> Dang it dalamar,  this is Linux! Not Star Trek!
[04:19] <Dr_Willis> :P
[04:19] <ficusplanet> You need to enable the composite extension in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:19] <dalamar> hah
[04:19] <nickrud> Dr_Willis, your wife is very unreasonable :)
[04:20] <Dr_Willis> nickrud,  she also has a bad accent.
[04:20] <Dr_Willis> and a red-headed-short-temper
[04:20] <nickrud> I tried that ibm stuff a couple of years ago, and, I hope to see it before I die
[04:20] <ficusplanet> thellama, Then, when you're back into gnome after hitting Ctrl+Alt+Backspace to restart X, you need to run xcompmgr with the settings you desire.  xcompmgr --help will give you a guide of what you can do.
[04:20] <Dr_Willis> she wants it work for her in the XXX chat rooms.
[04:20] <dalamar> im not a star trek fan but if I still had a little button on my shirt i could push and tell my computer to do things would kick serious ass ;)
[04:21] <nickrud> goggle 0-o
[04:21] <Dr_Willis> dalamar,  get the ESP-Usb-mrs-cleo adaptor.
[04:21] <thellama> ficusplanet: what do i edit in /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[04:21] <dalamar> mrs cleo lol
[04:21] <dalamar> 'call me now mon!' ;)
[04:22] <ficusplanet> thellama, Add the following four lines:
[04:22] <ficusplanet> Section "Extensions"
[04:22] <ficusplanet>         Option "Composite"      "Enable"
[04:22] <ficusplanet>         Option "RENDER"         "Enable"
[04:22] <ficusplanet> EndSection
[04:22] <thellama> btw I have a redeon 9000
[04:22] <thellama> okay thanks
[04:23] <ficusplanet> thellama, Oh, and make sure that libxcomposite1 is installed in synaptic (I can't remember whether it is by default)
[04:26] <thellama> okay im going to restart x
[04:26] <johndarkhorse> dalamar: those buttons exist
[04:26] <johndarkhorse> dalamar: they just havta be hacked to make your puter listen
[04:27] <chombee> Hello - can anyone send me a sample sources.list file for Breezy? I tried replacing Hoary with Breezy in sources.list but no good, synaptic can't find a single repository now
[04:27] <dalamar> im not suprised given the average star trek fan ;)
[04:27] <ficusplanet> chombee, msg your email address to me.
[04:27] <chombee> Ahh... is Breezy case-sensitive?
[04:27] <johndarkhorse> dalamar: didnt you see /. a couple months ago about the 2.4ghz office commo system? tap the badge, say your coworkers name, be connected?
[04:27] <thellama> okay, I restarted x
[04:28] <johndarkhorse> chombee: all of *nix is case senstive
[04:28] <ficusplanet> thellama, OK, try running "xcompmgr -c"
[04:28] <thellama> (for some reason, log out in the system menu doesn't work)
[04:28] <thellama> k
[04:28] <dalamar> johndarkhorse, didnt see, i ont frequent /. thats cool though
[04:28] <thellama> ooooooooo prrrreeeeetttttyyyyy
[04:29] <thellama> thank you ficusplanet!
[04:29] <robertbb> What is the preferred cd burning software in Ubuntu?
[04:29] <chombee> johndarkhorse - that's an exageration, I could write a linux program and make it case-insensitive if I wanted
[04:29] <nickrud> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 I'm using that for breezy
[04:29] <ficusplanet> thellama, no problem.  There are a lot more tricks you can do with it and it certainly isn't perfect yet, but "xcompmgr --help" can show you how to do other things.
[04:29] <chombee> ficusplanet - thanks, it looks like it worked now that I used a small b
[04:29] <nickrud> chombee, ^^
[04:30] <ficusplanet> chombee, cool
[04:30] <nickrud> ah, never mind
[04:30] <nickrud> case, uncase, love that stuff
[04:31] <nickrud> robertbb, it depends, for just dragging and dropping data files for backup, the file manager works just fine.
[04:31] <BROKEN_LADDER> why do things fix themselves?
[04:31] <BROKEN_LADDER> then you never know what was wrong
[04:32] <nickrud> cuz god loves messing with your mind?
[04:32] <BROKEN_LADDER> there is no god.
[04:32] <bimberi> nickrud!
[04:32] <nickrud> ok, the galactic overmind, then
[04:32] <Jaivaz> What about Torvalds?
[04:32] <dalamar> its the ubuntu fairy.
[04:32] <BROKEN_LADDER> lol
[04:32] <Jaivaz> And Ubuntu-tan?
[04:32] <Davey> Is it possible to install Ubuntu from a Firewire CD drive plugged into a PCMCIA firewire card (laptop)
[04:32] <BROKEN_LADDER> seriously, i spent four hours today fixing my audio..er..trying to.  then suddenly it steals Windows's idea and starts to Just Work
[04:33] <johndarkhorse> davey if the drive is bootable, yes
[04:33] <thellama> :(
[04:34] <thellama> x froze
[04:34] <thellama> i had to hard restart
[04:34] <thellama> but thanks anyway
[04:34] <thellama> it was pretty for a second! :p
[04:34] <thellama> hello?
[04:34] <thellama> can anyone hear me?
[04:34] <bimberi> no
[04:34] <nickrud> thellama, that stuff is not ready for prime time yet, but it is pretty if it works
[04:34] <thellama> okay
[04:35] <thellama> oh well, it seems to have reverted...
[04:35] <thellama> does it revert for every session?
[04:35] <thellama> okay, bye
[04:36] <thellama> and thanks again! :)
[04:36] <ficusplanet> thellama, You can always re-run "xcompmgr -c -F" to try it out again.
[04:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> http://ask.yahoo.com/20050902.html
[04:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> read that!
[04:37] <Davey> johndarkhorse, I don't know that it even see's the PCMCIA card before windows :/
[04:38] <Davey> brb
[04:38] <thellama> ooh it works! I didn't crash yet!
[04:38] <cafuego> Did lists.ububntu.com crash or something?
[04:39] <thellama> shadows are so pretty, i hope this gets finalized!
[04:39] <johndarkhorse> davey you may have to make a custom boot floppy or something
[04:39] <thellama> bye again
[04:39] <Madpilot> cafuego: works for me
[04:39] <cafuego> Madpilot: been too quiet...
[04:39] <cafuego> shadows make 3D not work
[04:41] <zdennis> hello all
[04:41] <ficusplanet> hey
[04:41] <Hobbsee_> hello :)
[04:41] <zdennis> ok... i am still working on dualbooting winderz and ubuntu
[04:41] <zdennis> I have given up on using the NT Loader
[04:41] <zdennis> so I am going to go with Grub
[04:41] <zdennis> How do I install grub after the fact onto the MBR?
[04:42] <zdennis> of the first disk?
[04:42] <cafuego> zdennis: You cannot dual boot nt/linux without either lilo OR grub.
[04:42] <cafuego> zdennis: /sbin/grub-install /dev/hda
[04:42] <zdennis> cafuego: i find that hard to believe... since i have found many web sites and books with references of using the NT Loader
[04:42] <zdennis> but nonetheless
[04:42] <zdennis> cafuego, here is my next question...
[04:43] <zdennis> when i installed Ubuntu i had unplugged the power from my other internal hard drives
[04:43] <cafuego> zdennis: Yes, they use the NT Loader to bootstrap LILO or GRUB.
[04:43] <zdennis> my menu.lst file thinks that my ubuntu install is on hd(0,0)
[04:43] <zdennis> that will probably change since I have my other hard drives plugged in now, correct?
[04:43] <cafuego> zdennis: You set them up by installing lilo or grub to the *partition*, then extractinng the 512b boot record and adding THAT to boot.ini
[04:44] <cafuego> the HOWTOs are all fairly clear on that.
[04:44] <zdennis> cafuego: that is what i did
[04:44] <cafuego> zdennis: Then you DO indeed have lilo or grub.
[04:44] <zdennis> i did a dd of the first 512 bytes of my /boot and saved in on a floppy as lnboot.bin
[04:44] <zdennis> i copied that to my windows c:\ and update the boot.ini
[04:44] <cafuego> zdennis: Did you install lilo or grub to the partition that /boot is on ?
[04:44] <Ahmuck> fonts are small and kerneled in ubuntu after installing firefox 1.0.6 on web pages
[04:44] <zdennis> however when i tried to boot into Ubuntu after rebooting it said, "Booting from utility parition. IO.sys not found"
[04:45] <zdennis> grub
[04:45] <nickrud> wow
[04:45] <cafuego> zdennis: That's a misconfigured grub OR missing boot record
[04:45] <zdennis> i think it is because my menu.lst file points to hd(0,0)
[04:45] <cafuego> (possibly both)
[04:45] <zdennis> and that is wrong
[04:46] <cafuego> zdennis: What partition is Linux on?
[04:46] <zdennis> it is on my /dev/hde drive
[04:46] <zdennis> boot is hde1
[04:46] <zdennis> root is hde2
[04:46] <zdennis> But when i installed Ubuntu, i unplugged the power to my other hard drives...
[04:46] <cafuego> zdennis: Okay, /sbin/grub-install --no-floppy /dev/hde1
[04:46] <zdennis> so I think it got the idea it was the only game in town
[04:47] <cafuego> zdennis: That will make it rescan for ALL hdds and number them appropriately.
[04:47] <zdennis> ok...am running that command
[04:47] <cafuego> zdennis: it will also plonk a new boot record in /dev/hde1. You should use 'dd' again to copy it out and replace the one on C:
[04:48] <cafuego> zdennis: When done, you /dev/hde will be mapped to a number, check /boot/grub/devices.txt
[04:48] <cafuego> zdennis: .. and adjust menu.lst appropriately.
[04:48] <cafuego> *accordingly
[04:49] <Davey> johndarkhorse, no floppy drive :/
[04:49] <johndarkhorse> davey no integral cd either?
[04:49] <Davey> not one that works ;)
[04:49] <Davey> thats the problem ;)
[04:49] <Davey> and my roomie took his USB floppy disk with him when he moved out :/
[04:49] <zdennis> cafuego:  i am in recovery mode at the moment...it only see's itself..so it think sit's hd0
[04:49] <ppd> hi. is it possible to compile a kernel with the ck patchset and softwaresuspend2 included at the same time?
[04:49] <zdennis> er...rescue mode
[04:49] <zdennis> brb
[04:50] <QMario> How do I set environmental variables for Java?
[04:51] <zdennis> ok bak
[04:51] <Davey> johndarkhorse, guess I'm going to have to install into a VMware to start and reboot to it proper :/
[04:51] <zdennis> QMario....    export JAVA_HOME=/path/to/java/home
[04:51] <johndarkhorse> davey there are many ways to skin a cat
[04:52] <Davey> johndarkhorse, yeah, but that one is particularly gruesome :/
[04:52] <zdennis> cafuego: can i install grub to a floppy
[04:52] <zdennis> and boot off from that?
[04:52] <cafuego> zdennis: sure
[04:52] <QMario> Where should my JAVA_HOME be?
[04:52] <zdennis> probably somewhere like, /usr/lib/java   or /usr/local/lib/java
[04:53] <cafuego> zdennis: Just don't ask me exactly how, i haven't used floppies this millennium
[04:53] <zdennis> do a ... find /usr -name "java" to find the directories
[04:53] <cafuego> QMario: if you installed java properly, uou don't need to set JAVA_HOME.
[04:55] <Fred|Fr3d> hey; why does samba never let me login from my windows pc? i set it to user security and no logins work :S
[04:55] <Fred|Fr3d> i've reinstalled it twice now; once from synapse and once compiled from source
[04:55] <cafuego> Fred|Fr3d: Did you add a samba user via smbpasswd?
[04:55] <Fred|Fr3d> yup
[04:55] <bur[n] er> Fred|Fr3d: smbpasswd -a
[04:55] <QMario> What about "/usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun"?
[04:55] <cafuego> Fred|Fr3d: Did you check the logs for errors?
[04:55] <zdennis> Fred, did you try to add yourself as a 'valid user = fred"   on the shar eyou want to access?
[04:56] <QMario> Should that work, zdennis?
[04:56] <CarlFK> whoops.  what happens if I do a reboot while an apt-get install is running?
[04:56] <zdennis> QMario: that looks promiishing
[04:56] <Fred|Fr3d> yes
[04:56] <cafuego> CarlFK: Then the machine reboots.
[04:56] <Madpilot> isn't "killall gnome-panel" supposed to force restart of gnome-panel? it seems to have killed gnome-panel completely instead...
[04:56] <QMario> What about the bin directory?
[04:56] <zdennis> if it works, you'll ant to set that "export JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun"    in your .bashrc or .bash_profile
[04:56] <CarlFK> cafuego - so the apt db will be ok?
[04:56] <nickrud> CarlFK, apt-get will recover nicely
[04:56] <zdennis> file
[04:56] <zdennis> in your home directory
[04:56] <iJeffChat> Ubuntu is #1 Distro on Distrowatch.com!
[04:56] <cafuego> CarlFK: You'll have a SERIOPUS problem if it was *just* overwriting libc6, otherwise, just run 'apt-get -f install' when it comes back up.
[04:56] <CarlFK> yea for apt! ;)
[04:57] <Fred|Fr3d> zdennis: what?
[04:57] <DonL> iJeffChat, and by a very wide margin
[04:57] <QMario> It doesn't work. Why is it so complicated? (Please don't get angry with me. :( )
[04:57] <LazloFruvous> is libpth2 the right package for the -lpthreads gcc linker flag?
[04:57] <nickrud> cafuego, a worst case analysis :)
[04:57] <Mr-Falkor> Will I get the newest Ubuntu Beta version if I run: apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[04:58] <nickrud> Mr-Falkor, not unless you have changed your /etc/apt/sources.list to point to the next version
[04:59] <iJeffChat> Mandrake linux was renamed Mandriva?
[04:59] <chombee> So.... Breezy is looking pretty fancy then?
[04:59] <Mr-Falkor> ah, ok ..is it a good idea to upgrade my distro to the beta ?;)
[04:59] <DonL> iJeffChat, so I understand
[04:59] <firefly2442> anyone know how to change the libGL.so symbolic link to ATI?
[04:59] <Mr-Falkor> the Breezy beta
[04:59] <nickrud> not really, just the next iteration of gnome, with a bit extra.
[04:59] <jdub> Mr-Falkor: we're only a few days from preview release - it's running nicely
[05:00] <Davey> Is like, 5GB enough for an Ubuntu install?
[05:00] <Mr-Falkor> jdub, good :-)
[05:00] <jdub> chombee: breezy is awesome
[05:00] <chombee> Davey - yeah
[05:00] <jdub> Davey: yes
[05:00] <Mr-Falkor> Davey, yes
[05:00] <QMario> Zdennis?
[05:00] <DonL> jdub, I'm looking forward to it
[05:00] <zdennis> yeah QMario ?
[05:00] <chombee> jdub - expand! I'm hungry for information, what I could find on the web doesn't satisfy
[05:00] <Carpe_Libertatem> I haven't seen anything that has shown Breezy >>>>>>>>>>> Hoary
[05:00] <Davey> woah, I have a 14.62GB partition I didn't enough know about
[05:00] <zdennis> soryr, i had stepped away for a sec
[05:00] <Davey> and a 5GB partition too
[05:01] <Davey> I guess I had planned to dual boot this, LOL
[05:01] <zdennis> my conversation history stinks, can you restate
[05:01] <Mr-Falkor> jdub, what futures do the breezy have, that 5.04 dont have ?
[05:01] <jdub> Mr-Falkor: too much to summarise really
[05:01] <Xanthus7> Does anyone use Pan
[05:01] <bimberi> !breezy
[05:01] <ubotu> [breezy]  the next version of Ubuntu (5.10); released October 2005. It hasn't reached stable-status, so it can still be broken. A pictorial view of differences between Hoary & Breezy: http://members.home.nl/jeroen-91/ubuntu/breezy-new/
[05:01] <jdub> one of the coolest things is fully integrated LTSP functionality
[05:01] <chombee> Did someone say the Breezy preview was only days away? Is the release sooner than I thought? I thought we still had over a month to go
[05:01] <nickrud> I will note the new version of the package installer, though
[05:01] <butcherbird> chombee, if you like being dropped into a console after install breezy is great =)
[05:02] <QMario> It doesn't work. Why is it so complicated? (Please don't get angry with me. :( )
[05:02] <jdub> chombee: the *preview* release is days away, the final release is a month away
[05:02] <bimberi> jdub: yes, looking forward to seeing the LTSP stuff :)
[05:02] <chombee> jdub - ahh, I seem to remember the preview was only a week or two prior to the release, must be wrong
[05:02] <jdub> hrm, that page is not a good summary of breezy
[05:02] <zdennis> QMario:  What are you trying to do to test this? compile a java file? run a java program?
[05:03] <DonL> I'm hoping for an easy upgrade. Don't want to dump all my Hoary files
[05:03] <Xanthus7> Can anyone help me with Pan
[05:03] <jdub> DonL: online upgrades are easy
[05:03] <chombee> jdub - what is the single coolest new thing that breezy has?
[05:03] <DonL> jdub, great.
[05:03] <jdub> chombee: i think the LTSP stuff is the coolest
[05:03] <ficusplanet> jdub, what do you mean by fully integrated ltsp?  Where can I get more information about that?
[05:03] <nickrud> ok, I'll bite: what's LTSP?
[05:03] <Xanthus7> will it have qt4
[05:04] <bimberi> Linux Terminal Server Project
[05:04] <Xanthus7> will breezy have QT4
[05:04] <jdub> Xanthus7: no
[05:04] <QMario> Zdennis, run a Java program. Sorry.
[05:04] <chombee> LTSP?
[05:04] <nickrud> oh, cheap terminals
[05:04] <Xanthus7> I need that to run a program I want
[05:04] <bur[n] er> even though drag+drop to it doesn't work
[05:04] <QMario> Zdennis, compiling is perfect, but execution is the problem.
[05:04] <jdub> ficusplanet, nickrud, chombee: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientIntegration
[05:05] <ficusplanet> jdub, thanks.  Did the hal patches to cups make it into breezy?
[05:05] <nickrud> got it, and thanks, jdub
[05:05] <zdennis> QMario, give me a few minutes....
[05:05] <jdub> ficusplanet: don't think so
[05:05] <zdennis> i need to get my ubuntu system up (i'm on a mac atm)
[05:07] <Davey> Xanthus7, oerhaps the next version of kubuntu will?
[05:07] <Fred|Fr3d> why doesn't samba let me login from my pc? i've added myself a user and to the valid-users bit, and still get errors logging in :S
[05:08] <ficusplanet> jdub, OK.  I've been running breezy for a couple days here and I'm really impressed.  Nice to see improvments to gnome-app-install.  One thing I've been curious about: I participated/won in the web redesign contest and I'm wondering if you guys are planning on doing any more clean up on the website before breezy?  I'm planning on launching a spreadfirefox-esque site soonish.
[05:08] <chombee> Hey is it easy to install Beagle and stuff like that in Breezy? I also wonder if F-Spot is any more complete, that'd be nice
[05:08] <oofnik_> hey guys i am in DESPERATE need of help please!!
[05:08] <ficusplanet> chombee, yes.  beagle is in universe and f-spot is at version 0.11.1 currently in apt
[05:08] <ficusplanet> oofnik_, What's up?
[05:09] <Xanthus7> is there any debian version of linux that has qt4
[05:09] <oofnik_> i was messing with themes, and i must have done something i shouldn't have and now everything I do crashes wnck-applet
[05:09] <oofnik_> i can't open nautilus without it crashing
[05:09] <jdub> ficusplanet: ah, you may want to wait until you see the fridge
[05:09] <jdub> ficusplanet: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TheFridge
[05:09] <Sir_Brizz> I just installed proftpd but I can't figure out how to configure it so that if you login as site1:password it will lock you to /var/www/site1 so that you can upload files to your own site. Can anyone help?
[05:09] <chombee> ficusplanet - it looked the improvements for gnome-app-install were pretty ambitous. I think that'd make a big difference. Does it completely replace Synaptic in Breezy?
[05:10] <jdub> ficusplanet: it's going to be a combination of news and spreadfirefox style advocacy stuff
[05:10] <jdub> chombee: no, it won't replace synaptic
[05:10] <chombee> jdub - won't ever?
[05:10] <oofnik_> is there a way to reset and reinstall all of gnome?
[05:10] <oofnik_> without wiping the system that is
[05:10] <jdub> chombee: no
[05:10] <zdennis> oofnik, you could try dpkg-reconfigure gnome from command line (without being in X)
[05:10] <nickrud> jdub, you do have some aggressive goals :)
[05:10] <jdub> oofnik_: if you are having a problem with your own session, you can delete the gnome settings files in your homedir
[05:11] <ficusplanet> chombee, And goals 2 and 3 in the spec weren't completed.  It can't replace synaptic because it doesn't let you control libraries, etc.
[05:11] <jdub> oofnik_: reinstalling the gnome packages will not help
[05:11] <oofnik_> just remove the .gnome2 directory?
[05:11] <jdub> oofnik_: .gnome2/.gconf
[05:11] <chombee> jdub - doesn't that mean we have two different ways of searching for and installing applications? Isn't that confusing?
[05:11] <oofnik_> and next time I run gnome it will recreate that right?
[05:11] <jdub> chombee: there *are* two different ways of searching for and installing *packages*
[05:11] <jdub> oofnik_: yes
[05:11] <iJeffChat> Does Wine run under Ubuntu?
[05:12] <ficusplanet> chombee, gnome-app-install should take care of installing any typical end-user applications
[05:12] <zenwhen> yes, easily
[05:12] <oofnik_> ok, thanks.. i will try.. wish me luck guys
[05:12] <jdub> chombee: g-a-i will focus on applications and end user goals, synaptic is an admin tool
[05:12] <jdub> iJeffChat: yes, just install it
[05:12] <Discipulus> iJeffChat, yes
[05:12] <zdennis> how do you do a global find and repalce in VI, what keystroke to i need to enter that mode?
[05:13] <bimberi> :%s/from/to/
[05:13] <chombee> jdub - I see, well I guess it makes sense. We do need something more end-user oriented than Synaptic. I had a friend who went trying to install an audio burner, he installed a load of perl scripts and command line tools, he thought Linux was a total mess
[05:13] <jdub> ficusplanet: TheFridge is launching very soon - when it's up, let me know if you want to join the editor team
[05:13] <johndarkhorse> jdub: you mean g-a-i is gonna be more "add-remove programs" like?
[05:13] <jdub> johndarkhorse: yes
[05:13] <jdub> johndarkhorse: you can try the original version in hoary
[05:13] <Mr-Falkor> jdub, you are a ubuntu dev ?
[05:13] <jdub> Mr-Falkor: yes
[05:13] <bur[n] er> heh
[05:13] <QMario> Zdennis?
[05:13] <nickrud> lol
[05:14] <DonL> and here I was after rpm thinking Synaptic was a godsend
[05:14] <Xanthus7> ijeffchat what you trying to do in wine
[05:14] <Mr-Falkor> jdub, cool,.. thank you guys for a nice distro
[05:14] <jdub> :-)
[05:14] <chombee> also, I always thought it was weird having the menu entry for the add/remove programs application labelled 'Synaptic Package Manager'. No newbie would ever suspect it!
[05:14] <QMario> It doesn't run. Why is it so complicated? (Please don't get angry with me. :( )
[05:14] <ficusplanet> jdub, Cool.  Thanks.  Is there a structure through which I can get more involved with improvement of ubuntu.com generally.  I have 3 years of plone experience.
[05:14] <QMario> Must you export JAVA_HOME?
[05:14] <QMario> Why can it compile but not run?
[05:15] <Mr-Falkor> agh,.. my XMMS is freezing every hour
[05:15] <jdub> ficusplanet: hrm, not enormously at the moment. but if you mail henrik, he might know stuff you can help with.
[05:15] <Mr-Falkor> so I need to restart my XMMS every time
[05:15] <Mr-Falkor> =/
[05:15] <jdub> ficusplanet<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:15] <ficusplanet> jdub, OK.  Thanks.  Good luck with the GNOME2.12 release/the preview!
[05:16] <iJeffChat> *Can you dualboot OSX and Ubuntu?
[05:16] <Mr-Falkor> I hope Gnome 2.12 will use lesser CPU !:)
[05:16] <chombee> iJeffChat - I don't see why not
[05:16] <iJeffChat> Great
[05:17] <bur[n] er> Mr-Falkor: feels faster so far ;)
[05:17] <Mr-Falkor> bur[n] er, good :)
[05:17] <DonL> I know someone dual booting Mandriva and OSX
[05:18] <chombee> jdub - are you actually getting paid to work on Ubuntu right now, as we speak?
[05:18] <QMario> Why can it compile but not run?
[05:18] <nickrud> bad question chombee.
[05:18] <QMario> Hello Madpilot!!! Can you help me set up Java?
[05:19] <Fred|Fr3d> can anyone help me w/ samba?
[05:19] <robertbb> What do people generally use for a GUI cd burning application under gnome?
[05:19] <Madpilot> !tell QMario about java
[05:19] <QMario> Fred|Fr3d, what is your problem?
[05:20] <Fred|Fr3d> i cant login from my other pc.
[05:20] <Fred|Fr3d> i either get the password box again
[05:20] <chombee> robertbb - Serpentine is going to be the default in Breezy... not sure if there's a Hoary package or not
[05:20] <Madpilot> robertbb: nautilus (the file manager) does most CDs - I use gnomebaker for everything else
[05:20] <Fred|Fr3d> or a *big* error box
[05:20] <QMario> Madpilot, it is already installed, but it doesn't run any of my programs.
[05:20] <nickrud> of course, if I could arrange for jdub to make it to san antonio on ubuntu's dime, I might as some more questions :)
[05:20] <bur[n] er> Fred|Fr3d: what's the windows version?
[05:20] <QMario> Fred|Fr3d, did you use SWAT?
[05:20] <Fred|Fr3d> xp pro sp2
[05:20] <Madpilot> QMario: "man java" at a prompt
[05:20] <Fred|Fr3d> QMario, no
[05:20] <robertbb> chombee/Madpilot: Thanks :-) I'll look them both up.
[05:21] <QMario> Do you want security=user or share?
[05:21] <bur[n] er> Fred|Fr3d: and you have a linux user that has permissions to shared folders & you set that smbpasswd??
[05:21] <Fred|Fr3d> QMario, i dont mind
[05:21] <Madpilot> robertbb & chombee: there doesn't seem to be a Serpentine package for Hoary...
[05:21] <chombee> Madpilot - do you find gnomebaker is reliable for audio? haven't tried it much. The first time I tried a burn it messed up, I think because the menu entry doesn't run it as root
[05:21] <Fred|Fr3d> bur[n] er, yes
[05:21] <johndarkhorse> nickrud you had the oppertunity to have nalioth in SA on his dime
[05:21] <bur[n] er> Fred|Fr3d: restart samba after adding password?
[05:21] <QMario> True. He is right.
[05:21] <chombee> Madpilot - are you burning data or audio cds?
[05:21] <Fred|Fr3d> several times
[05:21] <Madpilot> chombee: haven't actually burned any audio yet, all data or ISOs
[05:22] <nickrud> johndarkhorse, but, but, measures a friend on one hand, and a rock star on the other :)
[05:22] <bur[n] er> Fred|Fr3d: i'm at a loss... try using \\ipaddress instead of \\hostname?
[05:22] <iJeffChat> **How easy is the Ubuntu install? any Graphical installers? manual?
[05:22] <QMario> I think you should use SWAT to help you, unless you are fine with configuring the smb.conf all by yourself.
[05:22] <Davey|Work> OK, so I'm installing Ubuntu in a VM onto a real partition
[05:22] <chombee> Madpilot - well if data is what you want use the nautilus cd burner, if iso just right click and choose burn image
[05:22] <Fred|Fr3d> QMario, i would use swat, but where is it?
[05:23] <chombee> Madpilot - if you want to burn audio Cds you need something like gnomebaker or serpentine
[05:23] <QMario> !SWAT
[05:23] <ubotu> I guess swat is Samba Web Administration Tool | sudo apt-get install swat | http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/swat.8.html
[05:23] <Madpilot> chombee: I know, I've done it already (one of these days I'll get around to trying the Kubuntu LiveCD I burnt last week...)
[05:23] <bur[n] er> serpentine works well for audio :)
[05:23] <CarlFK> chombee - what about kb3 for audio?
[05:23] <QMario> Right there.
[05:23] <iJeffChat> **How easy is the Ubuntu install? any Graphical installers? manual?
[05:23] <QMario>  iJeffChat, easy.
[05:24] <Madpilot> iJeffChat: it's not graphical, but not hard
[05:24] <bur[n] er> iJeffChat: easy... no gui install, but easy
[05:24] <nickrud> serpentine is only in extras/backports, though
[05:24] <QMario>  iJeffChat, straightforward.
[05:24] <CarlFK> iJeffChat - can you hit Enter a few times?
[05:24] <CarlFK> ;)
[05:24] <chombee> CarlFK - K3b works well, it just doesn't fit too well with the GNOME environment, and I don't like their approach to UI design, all cluttered and confusing
[05:24] <QMario> Unlike Gentoo.
[05:24] <zdennis> iJeffChat: very easy
[05:24] <Fred|Fr3d> QMario, thanks; i'll try SWAT
[05:24] <iJeffChat> Ah great..
[05:24] <DonL> iJeffChat, you have to get used to the arrow keys, but no prob
[05:25] <iJeffChat> great
[05:25] <QMario> Zdennis, so did you figure out what was wrong with my Java programs not running?
[05:25] <QMario> Anyway, how did you get yours to run?
[05:26] <Madpilot> QMario: if it's a .jar file, I think "java -jar <foo.jar>" works?
[05:26] <Fred|Fr3d> QMario, "E: Couldn't find package swat"
[05:26] <chombee> Upgrading to Breezy seems to be a bit problematic, it keeps installing some of the packages then failing, then I can hit Apply again and it'll get a little further...
[05:26] <zdennis> Madpilot: QMario's problem i think is that it can't find the default java home directory
[05:26] <bur[n] er> Fred|Fr3d: add extra repos
[05:26] <QMario> !Repositories
[05:26] <ubotu> repositories is, like, probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[05:26] <firefly2442> QMario, maybe try BlueJ?
[05:26] <Fred|Fr3d> thanks :-)
[05:26] <QMario> Fred|Fr3d, look up.
[05:27] <Madpilot> zdennis: interesting... mine install just worked...
[05:27] <QMario> Repositories.
[05:27] <firefly2442> www.bluej.org
[05:27] <Madpilot> *my install, even...
[05:27] <zdennis> Madpilot, yeah , mine to
[05:27] <QMario> Hello Xatu!!! :)
[05:27] <zdennis> QMario: still working on getting my dualboot up and going
[05:27] <nickrud> chombee, try, from a command line, sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[05:27] <zdennis> ...
[05:27] <DonL> Madpilot, mine too, but only after I followed the instructions at Ubuntu
[05:27] <chombee> Hey will Breezy have a simpler way of upgrading to the next distro? Having to mess with the sources.list isn't ideal for everyone
[05:28] <chombee> nickrud - you think it's the synaptic gui that is the problem?
[05:28] <chombee> nickrud - isn't it apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[05:28] <zcat[1] > record
[05:28] <nickrud> chombee, I've been using aptitude for a few years; it's a bit smarter that apt-get
[05:28] <zcat[1] ><PHONE_NUMBER>033
[05:28] <zcat[1] > record
[05:28] <QMario> What is BlueJ?
[05:29] <nickrud> but, the net result is the same. I can be a snob ;)
[05:29] <chombee> okay lets see how it fares
[05:29] <DonL> nickrud, I'll have to look into aptitude. Never used it, but I've heard of it
[05:29] <Flying-Penguin> Hello
[05:29] <nickrud> DonL, check the wiki, it has a survival guide
[05:29] <Flying-Penguin> well... I just bought a 5.1surround sound system
[05:29] <Flying-Penguin> but I don't have a 5.1 sound card
[05:30] <DonL> nickrud, thanks, I will
[05:30] <Flying-Penguin> at anyrate... in windows I can convert my 3 port integrated to 5.1 sound card, can I do this in linux???
[05:30] <Davey|Work> Flying-Penguin: well, that was silly!
[05:30] <Quinthius> Breezy is due out around october right?
[05:30] <chombee> I think maybe having backports in my sources.list is causing problems
[05:30] <firefly2442> QMario, it's a Java IDE
[05:30] <Flying-Penguin> Davey|Work, my old mother bord has 5.1 it should be back from the shop in like 2-3 weeks
[05:31] <durt> whats a java ide?
[05:31] <Madpilot> Quinthius: mid-October or so - not sure if the exact date has been confirmed
[05:31] <firefly2442> integrated development environment
[05:31] <Fred|Fr3d> QMario, i've installed swat now. how do i access it?
[05:31] <Quinthius> Madpilot: that's fine, was just curious about general time frame
[05:31] <nickrud> chombee, almost certainly. If you want something specific from backports, enable it in sources.list, update, get the package, then disable backports sources.list
[05:31] <johndarkhorse> durf an IDE is a I-something Developemnt environment, i think
[05:31] <bimberi> Quinthius: we've just been reliably informed that a preview release is a few days away
[05:32] <QMario> Firefly2442, remember I can't run any Java class programs, do the installer won't work.
[05:32] <QMario> !SWAT
[05:32] <durt> i mean, what ide are you talking about?
[05:32] <ubotu> it has been said that swat is Samba Web Administration Tool | sudo apt-get install swat | http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/swat.8.html
[05:32] <Fred|Fr3d> thanks
[05:32] <Quinthius> bimberi: cool :)
[05:32] <firefly2442> QMario, did you install the JRE or JDK?
[05:32] <QMario> Both.
[05:32] <thellama> hey all
[05:32] <QMario> Hello Thellama!!! :)
[05:32] <thellama> :)
[05:32] <firefly2442> QMario, from the .bin files?
[05:32] <QMario> Yes.
[05:32] <QMario> !Botsnack.
[05:32] <ubotu> :)
[05:33] <thellama> heh
[05:33] <thellama> !Botsnack
[05:33] <ubotu> :)
[05:33] <djfm> hi!
[05:33] <QMario> Hello djfm!!! :)
[05:33] <thellama> i can't install vlc
[05:33] <chombee> nickrud - good advice, thanks
[05:33] <QMario> !Vlc
[05:33] <ubotu> QMario: I don't know
[05:33] <firefly2442> QMario, so if you navigate to the JDK directory and then bin and run java with your program it doesn't work?
[05:34] <DonL> must go for now. Thanks as usual for the chat!
[05:34] <QMario> Yes.
[05:34] <nickrud> chombee, that's based on my marillat experience, and, I've no reason to think otherwise of backports.
[05:34] <djfm> where exactly in xorg.conf should I paste the settings line given by xvidtune? it looks like "1280x1024"   135.00   1280 1340 1484 1672   1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync
[05:34] <Sir_Brizz> I just installed proftpd but I can't figure out how to configure it so that if you login as site1:password it will lock you to /var/www/site1 so that you can upload files to your own site. Can anyone help?
[05:34] <Xanthus7> So can can anyone tell me if QT4 can be installed in the current veriso of Ubuntu
[05:34] <firefly2442> QMario, personally, I don't like messing around with the path and so on, so I use BlueJ
[05:34] <firefly2442> QMario, are you doing development stuff?
[05:35] <firefly2442> QMario, or just want to run java programs?
[05:35] <firefly2442> QMario, what is the file?
[05:35] <QMario> Hold on.
[05:35] <mik3> anyone want to help me tackle my apt-get problem? http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1914
[05:35] <QMario> I'll be back soon.
[05:36] <firefly2442> Sir_Brizz, Webmin has a nice module for configuring proftpd, that might help you out maybe....
[05:36] <Sir_Brizz> what is webmin?
[05:37] <durt> why are you using those repositories mik3?
[05:37] <thellama> vlc:
[05:37] <thellama>  Depends: dbus-1 (>=0.23.4) but it is not installable
[05:37] <thellama>  Depends: libflac6  but it is not installable
[05:37] <thellama>  Depends: libhal0 (>=0.4.0) but it is not installable
[05:37] <thellama>  Depends: libmodplug0 (>=1:0.7-1) but it is not installable
[05:37] <thellama>  Depends: wxvlc but it is not going to be installed
[05:37] <firefly2442> Sir_Brizz, http://www.webmin.com/
[05:37] <mik3> i don't know?
[05:37] <mik3> what should i be using
[05:37] <johndarkhorse> mik3: run your apt-get again, your gzip just pooped out on ya
[05:37] <thellama> help me to install vlc
[05:38] <Xanthus7> What is the difference between the Ubuntu DVD and CD iso
[05:38] <thellama> dvd has install and live
[05:38] <Xorlev> You know you need to enable DMA on your HDDs when a copy between the two drives sticks between 20 and 80kb/s
[05:38] <Xorlev> >_>
[05:38] <Xanthus7> ah great thank you
[05:38] <thellama> your welcome :)
[05:39] <mik3> any suggestions?
[05:39] <zdennis> mik3, what are you trying to do?
[05:39] <butcherbird> thellama, you cant apt-get?
[05:40] <mik3> zdennis http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1914
[05:40] <thellama> vlc: Depends: dbus-1 (>= 0.23.4) but it is not installable
[05:40] <thellama>        Depends: libflac6 but it is not installable
[05:40] <thellama>        Depends: libhal0 (>= 0.4.0) but it is not installable
[05:40] <thellama>        Depends: libmodplug0 (>= 1:0.7-1) but it is not installable
[05:40] <thellama>        Depends: wxvlc but it is not going to be installed
[05:41] <thellama> should I add another repository?
[05:41] <jdub> chombee: yes
[05:41] <durt> why dont you get psi from the ubuntu repositories and remove that weird one, mik3?
[05:41] <Fred|Fr3d> QMario, neither smbd -D or nmbd -D will work now
[05:41] <zcat[1] ><PHONE_NUMBER>012
[05:41] <mik3> what would the correct entry be for repository
[05:41] <Fred|Fr3d> and i get connection refused to swat; it doesnt seem to run either
[05:41] <Mr-Falkor> Oh lord,.. I really need to sleep
[05:42] <bimberi> jdub: surely you're at lunch :P
[05:42] <disasm> Fred|Fr3d: samba problems?
[05:42] <Fred|Fr3d> yup
[05:42] <kalias> nickrud: Hi!  I haven't been on in a while, how are you?
[05:42] <Mr-Falkor> jdub, have a dream job
[05:42] <zdennis> i dont know mik3
[05:42] <chombee> nickrud - aptitude is working a lot better than Synaptic, lesson learned. I assumed any problem with Synaptic was basically and apt-get problem, like Synaptic was just a UI to apt-get
[05:43] <nickrud> kalias, you caught me at the right time, I've been gone for a week or so
[05:43] <jdub> bimberi: i was between my last couple of comments here :)
[05:43] <Fred|Fr3d> disasm: yes its a samba problem
[05:43] <jdub> bimberi: where are you based?
[05:43] <nickrud> chombee, aptitude is the reference now
[05:43] <mrichman> is there a gui tool for configuring and sharing a printer like in RH
[05:43] <mik3> !repositories
[05:43] <disasm> Fred|Fr3d: can you paste your smb.conf somewhere?
[05:43] <ubotu> [repositories]  probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[05:43] <kalias> nickrud: nice to talk to you again :)  My ubuntu machine has been working very well.  I have given up on gentoo.
[05:43] <chombee> jdub - that's funny. You must be a happy happy man
[05:43] <bimberi> jdub: Canberra
[05:43] <disasm> Fred|Fr3d: not in channel ;-)
[05:43] <durt> do you have the hoary extras and backports enabled, mik3?
[05:43] <jdub> bimberi: oh, funny, i'm in yass atm. going to canberra tomorrow.
[05:44] <jdub> chombee: hard but fun. :)
[05:44] <mik3> why do you think those repositories are weird? they are the defaults
[05:44] <Mr-Falkor> There is only two things i dont like about gnome,.. it look so plastic and its using alot of CPU :P
[05:44] <chombee> jdub - I'll take your job next once you're done with it, okay?
[05:44] <nickrud> kalias, that's the nice thing about ubuntu, it does work, doesn't it :)
[05:45] <Fred|Fr3d> disasm, i've tried remaking it five times. only basic stuff like server string, workgroup, and one share
[05:45] <durt> the "alioth" one is the weird one
[05:45] <disasm> Fred|Fr3d: oh, and are you doing user auth (need user/pass to access) or share auth (all shares open)?
[05:45] <kalias> nickrud:  Do you know much about gcc?  I am getting setup for a night school course and would like to use it.  Any recommendations on how I should set it up?
[05:45] <Sir_Brizz> firefly2442: how do I get that up and running then? I apt-get installed it, where do I go from there?
[05:45] <Fred|Fr3d> disasm, user at the moment, but i'll switch if it means it will work.
[05:45] <thellama> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/d1915
[05:45] <disasm> kalias: sudo apt-get install gcc
[05:45] <adoyretsamon> whew
[05:46] <jdub> kalias: install build-essential
[05:46] <disasm> Fred|Fr3d: did you use smbpasswd to create your samba user?
[05:46] <Mr-Falkor> jdub, did you need to go on a "programmer school" before you got that job you have now ? or did you just how your skill ?
[05:46] <firefly2442> Sir_Brizz, https://localhost:10000/
[05:46] <nickrud> kalias, you are asking the absolutely wrong person, except for what jdub just said :)
[05:46] <Mr-Falkor> show*
[05:46] <firefly2442> Sir_Brizz, make sure you install the proftpd module for webmin too
[05:46] <thellama> can someone please help me?
[05:46] <nickrud> I use the packages provided, with of garnome and other stuff for fun.
[05:46] <kalias> nickrud: okay, thanks :) Nice that you are honest about it :))
[05:46] <Fred|Fr3d> disasm: samba wont even run at all atm. i do smbd -D or nmbd -D and it does nothing; ps ax | grep smbd shows nothing
[05:46] <chombee> Yeah - I'd be interested to know if Canonical value having shown skill - like having projects you've worked on, or if they value qualifications
[05:46] <jdub> Mr-Falkor: i used to code, but i don't these days - my skills are better used helping the coders with non-code things :-)
[05:47] <thellama> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1915
[05:47] <adoyretsamon> hey all... glad to be back
[05:47] <firefly2442> Sir_Brizz, search for webmin in synaptic and they should show up
[05:47] <thellama> please help
[05:47] <Davey|Work> uh... I don't see my HDD in Windows Disk Management :(
[05:47] <bur[n] er> ooh... i have a gcc question... if an app is made for gcc3, can i even compile it at all for breezy?  or do I have to wait for it to be gcc4 compatible?
[05:47] <Davey|Work> this is bad
[05:47] <Mr-Falkor> jdub, :-)
[05:47] <Sir_Brizz> I have to do this from the shell
[05:47] <disasm> Fred|Fr3d: paste your smb.conf to paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[05:47] <Fred|Fr3d> disasm: one second.
[05:47] <jdub> chombee: very much so, our hackers are extremely good
[05:47] <zdennis> my dual booting experience is not going so well
[05:47] <adoyretsamon> Davey, can you see it via booting the Live disc>
[05:47] <kalias> jdub: what is build essential?
[05:47] <thellama> I can't install VLC, someone help!
[05:47] <zdennis> ..
[05:47] <thellama> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1915
[05:48] <chombee> jdub - so are you a UI person?
[05:48] <Davey|Work> adoyretsamon: can't boot the live disk
[05:48] <jdub> kalias: it's a meta-package that depends on common tools for building software
[05:48] <Davey|Work> hrm
[05:48] <johndarkhorse> kalias:  its a meta=pkg with all the things necessary for compiling code
[05:48] <Fred|Fr3d> disasm: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/d1916
[05:48] <bimberi> jdub: well enjoy the drive :) - nice to see a bit of green and some water in the dams!
[05:48] <adoyretsamon> Davey|Work, bios issue?
[05:48] <jdub> chombee: yes, have done quite a bit of that, but atm i'm doing business & community development
[05:48] <kalias> jdub: any thing else I need?  I am taking some C courses.
[05:48] <durt> mik3 and thellama: make sure you have these lines in /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted; deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[05:48] <jdub> bimberi: wow, yeah - it was brown only 6 months ago
[05:49] <Sir_Brizz> firefly2442: I need to do this from the shell. Also, when I go to that ip I get "Access Denied for <my ip>"?
[05:49] <zdennis> Fred, is that a space as the first character in your share name?
[05:49] <jdub> kalias: that'll get you started
[05:49] <kalias> . thanks :))
[05:49] <chombee> jdub - oh man, you get to do cool stuff. Well business development sounds rubbish, but community development sounds good, Anyway I'll stop bugging you
[05:49] <redtech> I just added a secondary drive, whats the proper way to mount it? Should I just copy a line from fstab and change the mount point? /dev/hdb1      /data               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[05:50] <jdub> chombee: bizdev means we get to make money to keep ubuntu going :-) oh, and have cool companies shipping their software for ubuntu, and shipping ubuntu on their hardware :)
[05:50] <nickrud> jdub, just out of curiosity, has any texas loco's hit on your travel plans yet?
[05:50] <kalias> jdub: is there a good operations guide for gcc and build essential?
[05:50] <bur[n] er> redtech: change the device and the mount point
[05:50] <jdub> nickrud: nup, no one from texas so far
[05:50] <jdub> kalias: there are some great books about developing for linux (and using the gnu tools) about - check amazon
[05:50] <chombee> You know, it'd be good if Ubuntu would automatically cycle the default theme and background and all the art on a seasonal basis, that'd be neat
[05:50] <bur[n] er> jdub: colorado anywhere?
[05:50] <redtech> bur[n] er, thank you
[05:50] <jdub> bur[n] er: nup
[05:50] <nickrud> oh, well, I'm too new to texas to have any influence.
[05:50] <firefly2442> Sir_Brizz, ahh, it's probably only allowing local access
[05:50] <bur[n] er> aww, just curious
[05:50] <kalias> jdub: like orielly?
[05:51] <jdub> kalias: yeah, they have lots of great books
[05:51] <Sir_Brizz> firflany way to enable it for the LAN?
[05:51] <Sir_Brizz> firefly2442: any way to enable it for the LAN?
[05:51] <jdub> not sure if they have a general book in C development with FOSS tools though
[05:51] <firefly2442> Sir_Brizz, hmm, lemme see
[05:51] <bur[n] er> chombee: lets make it different between night and day even ;)
[05:51] <jdub> bur[n] er: you involved in a colorado lug?
[05:51] <kalias> jdub: thanks I will look into it :))
[05:51] <chombee> bur[n] er - Yeah! I want it to cycle even while in use
[05:52] <chombee> And I don't want it to be a sudden change but a gradual one, like if one background and theme can be made to blend into the next over time
[05:52] <bur[n] er> jdub: i am not... i know there's one here in Boulder, but I only went to their irc channel once, seems they're fedora people :\
[05:52] <firefly2442> Sir_Brizz, http://www.sagonet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2635
[05:52] <kalias> jdub: while I have you on the line, do you know anything about visual studio .net 2003. I know, it's windows but I may have to use it also.  I tried to install in the other day and it appears to be crap!
[05:53] <Fred|Fr3d> disasm: i think i have something that may provide more info
[05:53] <chombee> Isn't that a cool idea? Produce a Spring theme and a Summer theme and then lots of themes in between, so that it changes bit by bit each day and you hardly notice but by Summer you have a totally new background and everything
[05:53] <jdub> kalias: you looking for a similar IDE for ubuntu, or want to run VS.NET on ubuntu?
[05:53] <chombee> kalias - it is a total pile of crap, an absolutely horrible program to have to work with
[05:54] <chombee> I worked with it for 8 months and I'm sure it doulbed my stress rates
[05:54] <kalias> jdub: nope, I will run windows on windows.  I can't seem to get that damn thing going so I will use gcc as a backup.
[05:54] <bur[n] er> chombee: seems like a lot of work... and a lot of bandwidth
[05:54] <jdub> bur[n] er: post the annouce to their mailing list - they might be interested, or want to hear about gnome stuff :)
[05:54] <bur[n] er> maybe 1 x quarterly would be cool, but it's more flashy than necessary at this point ;)
[05:54] <kalias> yikes!  I hoped I wasn't going to hear that :((
[05:54] <nickrud> chombee, an interesting idea
[05:54] <Fred|Fr3d> disasm: you there?
[05:54] <bur[n] er> jdub: very true... i might actually have to go to one if they're interested
[05:54] <disasm> Fred|Fr3d: add logfile = /var/log/log.%m
[05:54] <jdub> chombee: we've done calendar images, but not during the hoary cycle (for silly reasons)
[05:55] <Sir_Brizz> firefly2442: do you know where I can find out the name of the proftpd module?
[05:55] <kalias> chombee: have you dealt with vs .net 2003?  The darn thing didn't even install properly.
[05:55] <disasm> Fred|Fr3d: yeah, im here
[05:55] <chombee> jdub - and weren't the calendar images the ones with the models? I'd prefer nature images
[05:55] <disasm> then we can see what happens in the log file when it starts
[05:55] <jdub> chombee: the first one for hoary didn't
[05:56] <Fred|Fr3d> disasm: add that under the [global]  ?
[05:56] <chombee> kalias - yeah I was a pro developer in vs .net 2003, and indeed it failed to install most times for most people while I worked with it, good luck, keep trying
[05:56] <Fred|Fr3d> hey Concord_Dawn
[05:56] <Concord_Dawn> hey hey
[05:56] <kalias> chombee:  The more I work with windows tools, the better I like linux :)
[05:57] <Sir_Brizz> firefly2442: nm found it
[05:57] <Concord_Dawn> Fred|Fr3d, what you need help with?
[05:57] <zcat[1] > fun little script I just hacked up, scan a barcode and it'll play an associated .wav file ...
[05:57] <chombee> lol - just finished Breezy upgrade, the default image for the 'About Me' is indeed a guy with a beard, and there are no other defaults to choose from
[05:57] <Fred|Fr3d> Concord_Dawn: samba.
[05:57] <Concord_Dawn> ah
[05:58] <disasm> Fred|Fr3d: yeah
[05:58] <Fred|Fr3d> disasm: its been making default logs anyway. its also now running.
[05:59] <johndarkhorse> kalias: all linux IDEs are free, hows that for love?
[05:59] <iJeffChat> ** I downloaded PPC Ebuntu, now what? do i need to burn the files?
[05:59] <chombee> Awesome! F-Spot has folder navigation
[05:59] <disasm> ah, it's running, thats good
[05:59] <zcat[1] > 'files' ?
[05:59] <johndarkhorse> iJeffChat: yes, use Disk Utility to burn your iso ti a cd-r
[05:59] <bur[n] er> jdub:  since you're in UI stuff and gnome... know anything about gaim's away window and getting it to minimize... it won't because metacity doesn't allow child windows to minimize and gaim wont' make it a non-child window
[05:59] <zcat[1] > I hope you downloaded an iso or two..
[05:59] <bur[n] er> it's just a bug that is a pet peave, not a big deal though
[06:00] <kalias> johndarkhorse: Yes, it is very good.  Unfortunately the course I am taking says we have to use the windows stuff.  I am going to get gcc going so that I have a backup.  Can you recommend a good linux IDE?
[06:00] <adoyretsamon> bur[n] er, get the xchat tray tool
[06:00] <Fred|Fr3d> disasm: i've noticed that in windows when i try to login, i get the pass box again if the user is invalid. but if the user is valid i get a "permission denied, contact admin" message from windows.
[06:00] <adoyretsamon> er, alltray tool
[06:00] <adoyretsamon> sorry
[06:00] <bur[n] er> adoyretsamon: what's that have to do with gaim?
[06:00] <disasm> Fred|Fr3d: if you add security=share to [global]  it'll make it insecure (anyone on the network can access any share) but you can troubleshoot from there, and then switch it to security=user if you need it
[06:00] <iJeffChat> ** I downloaded PPC Ebuntu, now what? do i need to burn the files?
[06:00] <adoyretsamon> bur[n] er, alltray tool
[06:00] <thellama> what are the ubuntu backports repositories
[06:00] <adoyretsamon> then you can minimize anything you need to tray...
[06:00] <disasm> Fred|Fr3d: thats actually pretty easy to fix
[06:00] <adoyretsamon> i think
[06:00] <bur[n] er> adoyretsamon: that seems like an even more ram using workaround
[06:00] <bur[n] er> ;)
[06:00] <adoyretsamon> used to
[06:00] <mrichman> i followed these instructions to share a printer from ubuntu and now it doesn't even start the cups service
[06:00] <mrichman> http://occy.net/printing
[06:00] <zcat[1] > iJeffChat: normally yes, you burn the install ISO to a CD and then boot the PPC from it..
[06:01] <mrichman> anyone got any ideas
[06:01] <bur[n] er> adoyretsamon: i don't want to minimize to the tray... i just want ot minimize to the taskbar
[06:01] <adoyretsamon> mrichman, I know occy
[06:01] <disasm> Fred|Fr3d: smbpasswd -a <user_name>
[06:01] <adoyretsamon> bur[n] er, k
[06:01] <johndarkhorse> kalias: this URL may answser some questions http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html
[06:01] <Fred|Fr3d> disasm: i've done that, and restarted smbd/nmbd
[06:01] <thellama> what are the ubuntu backports repositories
[06:02] <kalias> johndarkhorse: Thanks :)) I will take a look :)
[06:02] <iJeffChat> ISO 9660 disc?
[06:02] <bur[n] er> !backports
[06:02] <ubotu> Add "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted" to /etc/apt/sources.list.  More info @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[06:02] <Fred|Fr3d> disasm: btw how should i normally launch swat? typing "swat" in the shell doesnt seem to do it :/
[06:02] <thellama> thanks
[06:02] <disasm> encrypt passwords = true
[06:03] <disasm> add that to [global]
[06:03] <iJeffChat> ISO 9660 disc?
[06:03] <johndarkhorse> iJeffChat: pay attention, i answered your question when you asked it the first time
[06:03] <mik3> anyone want to help me tackle my apt-get problem? http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1914
[06:03] <iJeffChat> oh sorry missed it
[06:03] <disasm> Fred|Fr3d: i'm not a fan of swat, but open web browser http://localhost:901 i believe
[06:04] <firefly2442> anyone know why Downloader for X quits right when I start it?
[06:04] <Octane> anyone know the differenc between the package flashplayer-mozilla and libflash-mozplugin?
[06:04] <Fred|Fr3d> disasm: yeah, but i get connection refused. but still i'd rather use the built-in right click -> share command and the config file
[06:04] <bur[n] er> mik3: remove alioth?
[06:04] <nickrud> thellama, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 is a very good list to use
[06:05] <johndarkhorse> mik3 have you tried running your apt again? it looks like your gzip is failing
[06:05] <thellama> thanks nickrud
[06:05] <nickrud> thellama, assuming I'm not sucking hind tit on this answer, I've been in and out
[06:05] <thellama> you have been a great help nickrud! :)
[06:06] <disasm> mik3: comment out the http://pkg-gnome.alioth.debian.org and try apt-get update again
[06:06] <Fred|Fr3d> disasm: i still get the same errors trying to login :S
[06:06] <nickrud> thellama, thanks, there have been days when that was not the case :)
[06:06] <mik3> i did that
[06:06] <mik3> nothing works
[06:07] <mik3> i've ran update, put fresh repository sites , etc
[06:08] <disasm> Fred|Fr3d: try this: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1917  -  put that in [global]
[06:09] <Octane> anyon eknow how the hell do i get firefox to play media
[06:09] <Octane> realplayer and all the other crap
[06:09] <jtan325> yea i just quit #ubuntu on bottom, the /j'd it on the top
[06:09] <Octane> i have the win32 codecs installed and realplayer itself too
[06:09] <durt> get mozplugger
[06:09] <jtan325> now it's googly
[06:09] <disasm> Fred|Fr3d: then if that works, we'll try switching share to user, but one step at a time, that's a known good working config i use on a server for a client
[06:09] <nickrud> mozplugger :)
[06:10] <disasm> mik3: what about apt-get clean?
[06:11] <Fred|Fr3d> disasm: that works, altho i cant write to my share
[06:11] <bur[n] er> mik3: apt-get -f install ?
[06:11] <disasm> Fred|Fr3d: chmod the share
[06:11] <cafuego> Seveas: smogges
[06:12] <Seveas> mogh cafuego
[06:12] <Octane> durt: that shit does not work
[06:12] <Fred|Fr3d> disasm: that works now too :)
[06:12] <disasm> mik3: i'm scared to ask but what did you do to get it in this state? try upgrading to breezy? or the dreadful backports?
[06:12] <Fred|Fr3d> disasm: i created a folder and a file, however both are now owned by "nobody" >_<
[06:12] <disasm> Fred|Fr3d: you can try switching security to user and see if it still works
[06:13] <Fred|Fr3d> disasm: one sec :-)
[06:13] <thellama> I added the hoary backports (source and binary) and hoary extras. Is this ok on breezy?
[06:13] <durt> mozplugger definitely does work
[06:13] <thellama> *repositories
[06:13] <nickrud> thellama, probably pointless, since most stuff in backports is backported from breezy, if I understand correctly.
[06:13] <thellama> oh, ok!
[06:14] <disasm> Fred|Fr3d: add force user=<your user here> to the share line
[06:14] <thellama> what about the extras?
[06:14] <Davey> Hrm, Ubuntu doesn't start into Gnome anymore, what can I do to fix it?
[06:14] <mrichman> i followed these instructions to share a printer from ubuntu and now it doesn't even start the cups service when i try and start it i get cupsd: Child exited with status 98!
[06:14] <mrichman> are there utils like RH has available on ubuntu
[06:15] <bur[n] er> mrichman: like?
[06:15] <Fred|Fr3d> disasm: access denied to entire PC
[06:15] <disasm> Fred|Fr3d: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1918 - sample share line
[06:15] <adoyretsamon> LOL
[06:15] <nickrud> mrichman, I'm gonna jump on that, ubuntu has much better utils than redhat
[06:15] <bur[n] er> Davey: pick gnome from your login manager?
[06:15] <XplOzIon> hi
[06:15] <mrichman> system-cofig-printer
[06:15] <bur[n] er> mrichman: ubuntu uses gnome tools... gnome has a printer config app
[06:16] <disasm> Fred|Fr3d: thats with security=user i presume? add the user/pass you use on the desktop to the ubuntu samba server
[06:16] <bur[n] er> system -> administration -> printing
[06:16] <iJeffChat> **Whaat
[06:16] <mrichman> nickrud: what are they the default one couldn't share it
[06:16] <iJeffChat> **What's the Mac key to boot to disc?
[06:16] <mrichman> got that
[06:16] <jdub> iJeffChat: hold C
[06:16] <Seveas> iJeffChat, C
[06:16] <Davey> bur[n] er, no, I don't get the graphical login anymore
[06:16] <disasm> iJeffChat: c
[06:16] <iJeffChat> thx
[06:16] <jdub> iJeffChat: please don't start all your questions with **
[06:16] <nickrud> mrichman, I'm not sure I got that, what do you mean
[06:16] <johndarkhorse> iJeffChat: hold the C after the chime
[06:16] <bur[n] er> Davey, dpkg-reconfigure dgm
[06:16] <iJeffChat> bbl installing now
[06:16] <bur[n] er> er..
[06:17] <Octane> durt: do i have to do anything special to get mozplugger working?
[06:17] <bur[n] er> Davey: from a term, sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[06:17] <Davey> thanks
[06:17] <mrichman> then i had to manually edit the config perinstructions on the web and cups is now broken
[06:17] <durt> octane: whats not working?
[06:17] <Davey> brb
[06:17] <disasm> i hate gnomes printer tool, i ended up compiling cups from source so i could use the web interface...
[06:17] <Octane> durt: nothing, realplayer, flash none of my god damn plugins work and they are all sitting in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins with appropriate symlinks from /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox
[06:18] <Octane> and i installed everything from packages
[06:18] <disasm> Octane: about:plugins in firefox shows nothing?
[06:18] <Octane> disasm: it shows them
[06:18] <nickrud> disasm, sudo adduser cupsys shadow, sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart, use localhost:631, edit to your taste.
[06:18] <durt> if i want to run some commands at boot, how can i do this? should i create a new script in /etc/init.d?
[06:18] <nickrud> no recompile necessary
[06:18] <Octane> durt: no just add it to /etc/rc.local
[06:19] <Octane> rerr thats fedora
[06:19] <disasm> nickrud: where were you when i was asking how to do this 3 months ago ;-)
[06:19] <Fred|Fr3d> disasm: no difference, i still cant login :S
[06:19] <johndarkhorse> Octane: what hardware are you running?
[06:19] <nickrud> here, just not at the time :)
[06:19] <Octane> durt i mean ln -s the command you want to run in /etc/rc.d/init.d/
[06:19] <Octane> johndarkhorse: amd64 BUT i am using a 32bit chroot
[06:19] <disasm> Fred|Fr3d: you did adduser and smbpasswd -a for the windows user/pass right?
[06:19] <johndarkhorse> Octane: ah. well i dont know anythning about chroot, sorry
[06:20] <Fred|Fr3d> disasm: yup. same username as the one i'm on now... or should it not match a unix user?
[06:20] <disasm> Octane: ah, now it makes a bit more sense, i've been considering doing that, just been too lazy as of late
[06:20] <bur[n] er> Fred|Fr3d: if it matches, you won't get a prompt :)
[06:20] <mrichman> my cupsys won't restart is my issue now
[06:20] <wizo> i still cant play wmv files after having the updated w32 codecs, any ideas?
[06:20] <bur[n] er> if it doesn't, you do
[06:20] <bur[n] er> wizo: totem-xine ?
[06:20] <disasm> ok, so the user is the same for windows and linux and password is same too, right?
[06:20] <wizo> totem xine?
[06:20] <Fred|Fr3d> disasm: well its the same username and password so i really dont get whats wrong
[06:20] <wizo> hmm, i used totem, and xine, but nto totem-xine yet
[06:21] <bur[n] er> wizo: apt-get install totem-xine
[06:21] <dennis__> Hello
[06:21] <Fred|Fr3d> disasm: well the windows username is different
[06:21] <wizo> ok i`ll tyr that
[06:21] <Davey> OK, that didn't help, the problem is X isn't starting :/
[06:21] <bur[n] er> Fred|Fr3d: you should get a prompt then
[06:21] <Davey> bur[n] er, ^^ :)
[06:21] <disasm> Fred|Fr3d: thats what you need to do, add the windows user name with the windows password via adduser and smbpasswd -a
[06:21] <bur[n] er> Davey: you're welcome ;)
[06:21] <dennis__> Is there a command for ubuntu that is similar to BSD's 'uprecords'?
[06:21] <dennis__> Anyone know of one?
[06:21] <XplOzIon> anyone here uses Ubuntu 64bits?
[06:21] <Fred|Fr3d> bur[n] er: i do. i enter the same username and pass i did smbpasswd -a with, and it says denied
[06:21] <nickrud> mrichman, sudo aptitude reinstall cupsys should get you the base cups install back
[06:21] <disasm> XplOzIon: yup
[06:21] <Davey> bur[n] er, no, I was saying it didn't help ;)
[06:21] <Fred|Fr3d> disasm: thats *very* hard; the windows username is root
[06:21] <dennis__> !uptime
[06:22] <bur[n] er> Fred|Fr3d: did you really make a linux user for that smbpasswd -a?
[06:22] <bur[n] er> or did you just make an smb passwd
[06:22] <Davey> bur[n] er, the problem is that Xorg isn't starting, GDM seems to be starting
[06:22] <bur[n] er> there has to be a real linux user
[06:22] <dennis__> ?ubuntu
[06:22] <dennis__> Err
[06:22] <dennis__> !ubuntu uptime
[06:22] <ubotu> dennis__: Are you on ritalin?
[06:22] <bur[n] er> GDM can't start without X ;)
[06:22] <dennis__> Hmm
[06:22] <disasm> Fred|Fr3d: yeah, that makes things slightly insecure...
[06:22] <XplOzIon> disasm: is it a pain to manage?
[06:22] <mrichman> nickrud thanks working on that now
[06:22] <bur[n] er> Davey: do you get any gui whatsoever?  do you see username entry?
[06:22] <haja> I am having trouble getting open gl games to run smooth on Ubuntu... anyone?
[06:22] <disasm> Fred|Fr3d: can you create a new user on the windows machine with your user/pass on ubuntu?
[06:23] <Davey> bur[n] er, I'm on command line
[06:23] <Fred|Fr3d> disasm: yup, one sec
[06:23] <Davey> bur[n] er, when it boot
[06:23] <Davey> s
[06:23] <dennis__> Is there a command for ubuntu that is similar to BSD's 'uprecords'?
[06:23] <Davey> then I startx and it starts gnome
[06:23] <dennis__> Or that will tell me my uptime?
[06:23] <bur[n] er> Davey: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg maybe?
[06:23] <Davey> dennis__, uptime
[06:23] <bur[n] er> Davey: and that works?
[06:23] <Madpilot> dennis__: "uptime"?
[06:23] <Davey> bur[n] er, yes
[06:23] <dennis__> lol
[06:23] <dennis__> Thanks
[06:23] <dennis__> :/
[06:23] <bur[n] er> Davey: so gdm isn't starting, but X works
[06:23] <`paul> how do i clean apt-get manually??? i mean broken packages...
[06:23] <Madpilot> !tell dennis__ about cli
[06:23] <bur[n] er> Davey: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[06:23] <dennis__> cli?
[06:23] <disasm> XplOzIon: nope, i don't do anything crazy though, ssh sessions, fluxbox, firefox, audio apps, occasionally openoffice (which won't print currently), and thunderbird
[06:23] <bigcx2> sudo invoke-rc.d gdm restart
[06:23] <Davey> bur[n] er, how will that help? :)
[06:24] <dennis__> !tell dennis__  about cli
[06:24] <dennis__> Hmm
[06:24] <bur[n] er> it will make gdm start ;)
[06:24] <Davey> bur[n] er, I don't want to reconfigure xorg, you have no idea what hell I had to go through to get it working
[06:24] <Davey> bur[n] er, when I "startx" it puts me straight into my gnome desktop
[06:24] <bur[n] er> Davey: ok... so X works, gnome works... you just want a gui login?
[06:24] <Davey> bur[n] er, correct :)
[06:24] <bur[n] er> in that case... reconfigure gdm
[06:24] <Davey> well I want Xorg to start on bootup :)
[06:24] <bur[n] er> and then start it
[06:24] <XplOzIon> disasm the thing is im looking for some info before i install it, because b2s LONG ago told me that he had to create another partition for 32bit aplications, do you know anything about this?
[06:24] <Davey> that didn't work
[06:24] <Madpilot> dennis__: the BasicCommands page has a dozen or so useful Linux commands explained (sounds like you know BSD already?)
[06:24] <dennis__> :P
[06:24] <bur[n] er> how "didn't" it work?
[06:24] <dennis__> Okay
[06:24] <dennis__> Thanks
[06:25] <bur[n] er> you get configure errors?
[06:25] <wizo> bur[n] er: then do i do killall gnome-panel ?
[06:25] <Davey> bur[n] er, no change in my startup, still at CLI login
[06:25] <haja> I am having trouble getting open gl games to run smooth on Ubuntu... anyone?
[06:25] <nickrud> Davey, then, sudo aptitude install gdm, that will get you a gui startup
[06:25] <aru> what program would I run to see in my mic is workijng?
[06:25] <Jaivaz> This person is asking me about a "My Computer" icon that goes on your desktop and shows you your hardware and such.
[06:25] <XplOzIon> haja what game?
[06:25] <bigcx2> what problems are you having haja
[06:25] <bur[n] er> Davey: try sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[06:25] <Jaivaz> What the hell is he talking about?
[06:25] <Jaivaz> He's talking about Ubuntu, too.
[06:25] <bur[n] er> wizo: why?
[06:25] <disasm> XplOzIon: i dont run any 32 bit apps, you don't need a separate partition, but you do need a chroot, what 32 bit apps do you need?
[06:25] <haja> anything I try to play. I tried FooBilliards or Neverball and nothing
[06:25] <haja> Just like 3 fps
[06:26] <bigcx2> but they actually do run
[06:26] <wizo> bur[n] er: no idea, to see if it is in my icons?
[06:26] <nickrud> aru, applications->sound & video ->sound recorder
[06:26] <bur[n] er> wizo: just run totem ;)
[06:26] <wizo> ohhh
[06:26] <Tortel> i need help installing wine
[06:26] <bur[n] er> wizo: installing totem-xine makes totem use a xine backend instead of a gstreamer
[06:26] <XplOzIon> disasm, nothings specially, i was just looking for some info
[06:26] <wizo> icic
[06:26] <Davey> bur[n] er, does nothing, not even [OK] , but like I said, when I run "startx" I'm already *in* Gnome (previous session)
[06:26] <wizo> so i can uninstall the xine that i downloaded?
[06:26] <bigcx2> haja: sounds like somebody needs some non-generic drivers...
[06:26] <disasm> Tortel: apt-get install wine i think it's in universe, but could be wrong
[06:26] <bur[n] er> Davey: install kdm instead ;)
[06:26] <XplOzIon> haja: what video card you use? did you install the drivers?
[06:27] <Tortel> i edited the package manager, but it gets 404 errors while downloading packages
[06:27] <Davey> bur[n] er, rofl
[06:27] <bur[n] er> Davey: sudo apt-get install kdm :)
[06:27] <bur[n] er> that'll work i bet
[06:27] <aru> I'm getting noithing trhere
[06:27] <Davey> bur[n] er, no, I want gdm
[06:27] <haja> I installed the xorg fglrx off synap
[06:27] <bigcx2> yes definately install the drivers if you are going to be playing games
[06:27] <disasm> XplOzIon: ati 64 bit drivers for xorg worked fine for me
[06:27] <haja> 9800 Pro 128mb
[06:27] <nickrud> bur[n] er, this ubuntu, not kubuntu :)
[06:27] <bur[n] er> Davey:  you definately have gdm right?
[06:27] <Quinthius> haja: after installing the driver you need to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change the driver from "ait" to "fglrx", and then restart X (easy way: reboot)
[06:27] <Davey> bur[n] er, yup
[06:27] <bigcx2> haja: what do you get when you run glxgears
[06:27] <XplOzIon> disasm: i was answerinf haja =P
[06:28] <bur[n] er> nickrud: i just want a gui login for him ;)  gdm should work, but kdm might be a nice thing to help troubleshoot
[06:28] <XplOzIon> haja: did you installed its drivers?
[06:28] <Davey> bur[n] er, using synaptics to reinstall xserver-xorg and gdm
[06:28] <bur[n] er> Davey: close out of gnome, then run the gdm start thing  /etc/init.d/gdm start
[06:28] <haja> I believe so using synap
[06:28] <nickrud> true. maybe try dpkg -l gdm?
[06:28] <haja> Let me configure that. One second
[06:28] <Davey> the "gdm start thing" ?
[06:28] <XplOzIon> haja: ok
[06:28] <Quinthius> haja: if you don't feel comfortable editing xorg.conf, run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and accept defaults for most settings except the driver selection, choose fglrx
[06:28] <bur[n] er> Davey: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[06:29] <disasm> Davey: quit gnome, then sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start, if that doesn't work sudo apt-get --reinstall install gdm i think will reinstall it
[06:29] <Davey> bur[n] er, oh, read "gdm start thing' and /etc/init.d/gem start :)
[06:29] <haja> In the section "Device"
[06:29] <Davey> bur[n] er, like I said, the gdm init script seems to do nothing :/
[06:29] <haja> Change driver from "ati" to fglrx?
[06:29] <Quinthius> haja: yes... there should only be one entry that says "ati" anywhere, iirc
[06:29] <Davey> lets see what happens with the reinstall
[06:29] <Quinthius> haja: yup
[06:29] <haja> ok
[06:29] <Fred|Fr3d> disasm: i have to change the computer name, sorry to take so long
[06:29] <CyberDoo> Anyone have a solution for a disappearing /dev/dsp?
[06:30] <disasm> no prob
[06:30] <haja> Going to restart. I'll be back, Thanks guys
[06:30] <Quinthius> haja: then you have to restart the X server. not sure if logging out will do that, might want to just reboot to make sure
[06:30] <bigcx2> everyone telling Davey to restart gdm by using /etc/init.d should definately check out invoke-rc.d
[06:30] <XplOzIon> haja: no problem
[06:30] <bur[n] er> bigcx2: why?
[06:30] <crimsun> CyberDoo: that seems a little odd. What application(s) is(are) looking for /dev/dsp?
[06:30] <bigcx2> man invoke-rc.d
[06:30] <nickrud> bigcx2, that is a non starter
[06:30] <CyberDoo> Music Player.
[06:30] <nickrud> it's all the same
[06:31] <bigcx2> it's there for a reason
[06:31] <bur[n] er> bigcx2: seems like the same thing to me ;)
[06:31] <durt> thanks octane, i just put all the commands in a script and save it as /etc/init.d/somethingrandom.sh - is that ok?
[06:31] <disasm> ooh, new openoffice to dist-upgrade *wonders if print will work now...*
[06:31] <nickrud> bigcx2, yes, for maintainer scripts, for a user, it's irrelevant
[06:31] <benplaut> snyone here with a slow system on breezy?
[06:31] <Octane> durt: thats perfect... but you put it in the wrong place. put it in /etc/rc.d/init.d
[06:31] <bigcx2> yea i guess i'm just picky
[06:31] <CyberDoo> crimsun: Music Player for one.
[06:31] <Octane> unless init.d is a symlink
[06:31] <wizo> erm , i get het error saying: Unknown(Anabolic)
[06:32] <wizo> the*
[06:32] <benplaut> slow, slow :P
[06:32] <nickrud> bigcx2, so am I most of the time
[06:32] <Octane> durt: no i am correct
[06:32] <benplaut> page me, i'm half away
[06:32] <disasm> Octane: actually he's right, then update-rc.d somethingrandom.sh defaults
[06:32] <crimsun> CyberDoo: Music Player uses GNOME's settings, so that's a sign of something lower level. What's the result of clicking Test in System> Preferences> Multimedia Systems Selector> Default Audio Sink?
[06:32] <durt> octane, i have no rc.d folder, but i have some rc(number here).d folders
[06:33] <Octane> hm
[06:33] <bigcx2> update-rc.d {scriptname} defaults {startorder}
[06:33] <Octane> bigcx2: nice didnt know of that cmd
[06:33] <disasm> durt: the proper place is /etc/init.d/script.sh then update-rc.d script.sh defaults
[06:33] <Fred|Fr3d> disasm: OMG!! it WORKS!! :O
[06:34] <bur[n] er> good work fred
[06:34] <wizo> bur[n] er: totem says Unknown - Anabolic
[06:34] <durt> thanks guys :)
[06:34] <haja> alright, I edited that and still getting no improve ment
[06:34] <bur[n] er> wizo: won't play it?
[06:34] <wizo> nope
[06:34] <Fred|Fr3d> nah, good work disasm :D
[06:34] <haja> improvement*
[06:34] <Fred|Fr3d> thanks loads :D
[06:34] <disasm> Fred|Fr3d: awesome, now assuming you have windows 2000 or xp pro, you can start all over again and setup samba as a pdc ;-) j/k unless you really want to
[06:34] <bigcx2> haja: what is it telling you when you run glxgears of glxinfo
[06:34] <bur[n] er> wizo: that's all i have, and i can play .wmv files... w32codecs & totem-xine
[06:35] <haja> Let me instal it
[06:35] <wizo> i installed w32codecs like on ubuntuguide.org
[06:35] <Fred|Fr3d> disasm: pdc? domain controller?
[06:35] <bur[n] er> pdc?
[06:35] <wizo> its updated
[06:35] <bigcx2> you shouldn't have to
[06:35] <oofnik> guys i need some gnome help
[06:35] <CyberDoo> crimsun: When pressing test, it comes back with nothing but a popup window saying press ok to finish and nothing else occurs.
[06:35] <oofnik> i royally screwed up my panels
[06:35] <disasm> Fred|Fr3d: yeah
[06:35] <CyberDoo> crimsun: Current output is OSS.
[06:35] <haja> aparently it installs with X and I'm dumb... how do I run it?
[06:36] <bigcx2> command line
[06:36] <haja> ok...
[06:36] <Fred|Fr3d> disasm: well no i wont be doing that yet. perhaps i'll test it if i can get my other server up though ;-)
[06:36] <CyberDoo> crimsun:Course ALSA comes back with a feedback sound.
[06:36] <crimsun> CyberDoo: but do you hear anything?
[06:36] <disasm> Fred|Fr3d: thats when samba gets fun, having it give access rights to the users on the systems, and getting creating a user on windows to automatically add the user to the linux machine as well
[06:36] <CyberDoo> crimsun:Not under OSS, ALSA does and ESD doesn't.
[06:36] <haja> Where would you like me to paste bigcx2
[06:37] <bigcx2> does it say something like missing glx display
[06:37] <haja> When I try to run it?
[06:37] <bigcx2> yea
[06:37] <crimsun> CyberDoo: so if you leave it set to alsasink, does Music Player work?
[06:37] <Fred|Fr3d> disasm: well there will only be about 3 or 4 pcs accessing this server, and only one user on each of them, so i dont think its worth it... but sounds fun to play with :-)
[06:37] <Fred|Fr3d> also one of the pcs is only xp home, not pro
[06:38] <haja> No... its running fast
[06:38] <haja> whats the paste channel again?
[06:38] !lilo:*! Hi all. beu wants me to wallop to let you know he's not a freenode staffer. We like him, though.
[06:38] <CyberDoo> crimsun: Ah, yes.....
[06:38] <Quinthius> haja: try fglrxinfo instead
[06:38] <disasm> Fred|Fr3d: yeah xp home wont play with samba as a pdc sadly...
[06:38] <bigcx2> well you have some sort of 3d support if you're actually getting gears spinning
[06:38] <haja> I was averaging about 400 fps in that
[06:39] <Zotnix> Anyone familiar with the command-line applet macro syntax? In hoary it had, by default http:// support. Can't seem to get that working again :p
[06:39] <bigcx2> yea with that kind of speed you don't have the driver properly installed or loaded with the kind of card you have
[06:39] <Madpilot> !tell haja about paste
[06:39] <haja> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1919
[06:39] <CyberDoo> crimsun:Should anything happen under default source?
[06:39] <VoX> any idea when vlc is going to be in breezy? totem is utter crap..
[06:40] <pundai> hey guys, are the ubuntu kernels patched
[06:40] <haja> hehe.. forgot it was in topic :D
[06:40] <crimsun> CyberDoo: don't mess with default source
[06:40] <crimsun> pundai: heavily
[06:40] <pundai> crimsun, friggin hell
[06:40] <pundai> where do i get the source from
[06:40] <CyberDoo> crimsun: Okay. Thank you again for the assistence.
[06:40] <pundai> the source used for the kernel i have that s
[06:40] <pundai> is
[06:40] <Madpilot> haja: the "Mesa" stuff means you don't have drivers installed - that's the defaults - what card?
[06:40] <haja> 9800 pro
[06:40] <bimberi> pundai: the repositories - look for linux-source-*
[06:40] <Quinthius> haja: oh, wait, you prolly aren't loading the fglrx module. look here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[06:40] <crimsun> pundai: linux-tree-2.6.10
[06:40] <pundai> hrm
[06:41] <Madpilot> !tell haja about ati
[06:41] <Fred|Fr3d> well thanks again disasm :D
[06:41] <pundai> i searched for linux in synaptic didnt get any interesting bites
[06:41] <zcat[1] > try 'kernel'
[06:41] <XplOzIon> lol
[06:41] <crimsun> pundai: linux-tree-2.6.10 is the metapackage that contains the patched source and the patch tree that Ubuntu uses
[06:42] <pundai> crimsun, found it
[06:42] <pundai> thanks
[06:42] <disasm> Fred|Fr3d: no problem, i think im heading to bed soon, almost one and i'm going rock climbing at 9 tomorrow morning
[06:42] <haja> Ok well using synap I installed the xorg-driver-fglrx
[06:42] <pundai> now lets see if i can get this biatch to use my 2GB of ram
[06:42] <haja> Then I just went and changed the ati to the fglrx...
[06:42] <Fred|Fr3d> its 5:44am here... bedtime for me too ^_^
[06:42] <Hergiswi> Anyone willing to help someone stuck with Warty?
[06:42] <cafuego> pundai: The precompiled kernels support up to 4GB ram by default.
[06:42] <bigcx2> haja: did you restart X
[06:42] <nickrud> Fred|Fr3d, you must be a student
[06:42] <durt> good idea fred
[06:42] <zcat[1] > haja: did the sane for nvidia.. to easy
[06:42] <disasm> Hergiswi: whats the problem?
[06:42] <haja> I rebooted
[06:42] <Quinthius> haja: that's fine, but you need to do step 2 under the Hoary section on that page
[06:43] <AlexMBas> fglrx driver is the OpenGL accelerated X modification ?
[06:43] <oofnik> hey guys can someone please help me with my stupid panels that i screwed up?
[06:43] <cafuego> pundai: the i386 installer flavour might be an exception.
[06:43] <Hergiswi> I don't know how to mount harddrives
[06:43] <Hergiswi> =\
[06:43] <bigcx2> yea follow the nice guides ubuntu has :)
[06:43] <haja> Ok, let me try that
[06:43] <pundai> cafuego, is centrino 686?
[06:43] <Quinthius> haja: and then reboot again... shouldn't have to redo the other steps
[06:43] <cafuego> pundai: yep
[06:43] <haja> I thought I went thru this before but let me try again
[06:43] <Fred|Fr3d> nickrud: yup pretty much.
[06:43] <zcat[1] > reboot?
[06:43] <durt> how are they screwed up oofnik?
[06:43] <pundai> cafuego, i might give that a go then
[06:43] <nickrud> I mean, 5am? :)
[06:43] <zcat[1] > you should only have to restart gdm
[06:44] <haja> brb guys
[06:44] <disasm> Hergiswi: external or internal drives?
[06:44] <durt> i will brb too
[06:44] <pundai> so cafuego what should i search for in synaptic
[06:45] <cafuego> pundai: linux-image-2.6.10-5-686
[06:45] <cafuego> (I think)
 Hergiswi: external or internal drives?
[06:45] <Hergiswi> they're windows drives
[06:45] <Hergiswi> that's all I know
[06:45] <pundai> ok cafuego i'll try that
[06:45] <pundai> thanks
[06:45] <nickrud> pundai, linux-686 is what you want
[06:45] <VoX> any idea when vlc is going to be in breezy? totem is utter crap..
[06:45] <nickrud> it will keep up with the latest kernel releases
[06:46] <disasm> Hergiswi: ah, try this: sudo mkdir /mnt/windows; sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows
[06:46] <nerdy2> VoX, any reason you dislike totem?
[06:46] <oofnik> durt: well everything I add to my panels crashes wnck-applet
[06:46] <nickrud> pundai, apt-cache show linux-686 will tell you about it
[06:46] <VoX> nerdy2: it wont play .avi?
[06:47] <pundai> nickrud, thank you i found it!
[06:47] <oofnik> durt i need some way to reset the gnome panel configuration to default
[06:47] <nerdy2> VoX, if you use totem-xine [or fool around with pitfdll]  it will
[06:47] <Seveas> Hergiswi: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically
[06:47] <nerdy2> VoX, totem-xine, and vlc are available in the universe
[06:47] <Quinthius> anyone had any problem with Azureus continually wanting to upgrade to <IP_ADDRESS> after every restart?
[06:48] <bur[n] er> Quinthius: yup
[06:48] <mrichman> ok cups is back up and running but now i can't configure anythin in the webinterface cause it wants a pass but not roots
[06:48] <bur[n] er> !tell vox about repositories
[06:48] <Quinthius> bur[n] er: know any fix for it?
[06:48] <disasm> Quinthius: no but thats probly cause ive never used it, what is it a bittorent client?
[06:49] <nickrud> mrichman, sudo adduser cupsys shadow, sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart ; then go to the web interface
[06:49] <Hergiswi> chris@ubuntu:~ $ sudo mkdir /mnt/windows; sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows
[06:49] <Hergiswi> Password:
[06:49] <Hergiswi> mount: error while guessing filesystem type
[06:49] <Hergiswi> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[06:49] <cafuego> disasm: No, shitty 3rd party closed-source software.
[06:49] <Quinthius> disasm: yeah, java bt client. it's a hog but i like all the features
[06:49] <VoX> nerdy2: yes, but vlc has a pile of unmet dependencies
[06:49] <nickrud> after you're done, sudo deluser cupsys shadow ; sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart
[06:49] <Roots> Roots?
[06:50] <cafuego> Bloody Roots?
[06:50] <durt> yay - it worked: life is much easier now :)
[06:50] <disasm> cafuego: yeah, thats why i use bittornado when i need a bittorrent
[06:50] <bur[n] er> Quinthius: tools, options, interface, start, uncheck the box that says check for updates
[06:50] <disasm> which is very seldom
[06:50] <cafuego> disasm: I use btdownloadcurses
[06:50] <Quinthius> bur[n] er: well, aside from that :P ... it doesn't seem to actually be applying the <IP_ADDRESS> update...
[06:51] <oofnik> hey does anyone know how to reset the gnome panels completely, as in to back how they were when the system was installed
[06:51] <Hergiswi> disasm, how would I add my filesystem type to that second command?
[06:51] <bur[n] er> Quinthius: it can't i know
[06:51] <nerdy2> VoX, then try totem-xine with w32codecs
[06:51] <VoX> bur[n] er: are those repositries going to work for breezy?
[06:51] <cafuego> Hergiswi: insert a '-t vfat' or '-t ntfs'
[06:51] <bur[n] er> VoX: s/hoary/breezy
[06:51] <VoX> bur[n] er: rux
[06:51] <disasm> cafuego: yeah, thats what i use too, i thought that was bittornado
[06:52] <bur[n] er> VoX: you're using breezy but don't know about .avi movies?
[06:52] <durt> oofnik: killall gnome-panel
[06:52] <durt> oofnik: nevermind
[06:52] <oofnik> no durt that just reloads it, i want to completely reset all settings.. hah
[06:52] <phrizer> Hm, when broswing the network, i click on a share and 'mount' it using the file manager. This creates a link on the desktop to to those shares. But how can i now access those mounts in non-gnome applications? Is there no real mount point?
[06:52] <Hergiswi> chris@ubuntu:~ $ sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows -t ntfs
[06:52] <Hergiswi> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda1,
[06:52] <Hergiswi>        or too many mounted file systems
[06:52] <Hergiswi>        (aren't you trying to mount an extended partition,
[06:52] <Hergiswi>        instead of some logical partition inside?)
[06:52] <oofnik> ahh my panels are royally screwed...
[06:52] <VoX> bur[n] er: i'm using breezy due to a recommendation from a friend, owing to the fact i'm using an amd64
[06:52] <cafuego> off to the panel beater's then
[06:52] <bur[n] er> phrizer: it's just gnome-vfs, not a real mount point
[06:53] <Orborde> Why is it that, when I view the man pages for anything in the GUI'd terminal, and press Page Up to go up a page, it goes ueber-slow and maxes out my processor?
[06:53] <bur[n] er> VoX: aww
[06:53] <nickrud> Hergiswi, try sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows
[06:53] <cafuego> Hergiswi: Can you plase stop pasting multi-line errors?
[06:53] <bur[n] er> !tell vox about restrictedformats
[06:53] <cafuego> and perhaps use the brain
[06:53] <Hergiswi> sorry
[06:53] <disasm> Hergiswi: try fdisk -l you should see something that says ntfs
[06:53] <durt> you could reinstall gnome-panel maybe, oofnik
[06:53] <nickrud> Hergiswi, sometimes, order does matter
[06:53] <cafuego> If ntfs didn't work, try vfat
[06:53] <oofnik> nope durt tried that
[06:53] <bigcx2> Vox: is breezy that much nicer for amd64
[06:53] <jtan325> how do i get ndiswrapper module to be loaded on bootup?
[06:53] <bigcx2> that's what i'm running to
[06:53] <phrizer> bur[n] er,  yeah i figured that, is there no way to have an option under file manager to create a real mount point?
[06:53] <oofnik> durt it's a local issue, if i log into gnome as a different user it's okay
[06:53] <bigcx2> jtan325: add it to /etc/modules
[06:53] <phrizer> or do i have to use sudo mount manually?
[06:53] <disasm> Hergiswi: in general /dev/hda1 is where windows is, but not always
[06:53] <bur[n] er> phrizer: none i know of
[06:53] <jtan325> thanks bigcx2
[06:54] <bigcx2> np
[06:54] <VoX> bigcx2: well it installed and run perfectly
[06:54] <mrichman> nickrud after i do that it still asks me for a CUPS password when try to change anything
[06:54] <cafuego> jtan325: run 'ndiswrapper -m' and set up the network interface in /etc/network/interfaces; that'll autoload the lot.
[06:54] !lilo:*! Added faq: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#fromunreg ("How can I receive private messages from unregistered users?")
[06:54] <nickrud> mrichman, then, root and it's password should work
[06:54] <VoX> bigcx2: and i spent about a week with debian sid trying to get it to play ball, without success
[06:54] <bigcx2> yea but is there anything there that hoary doesn't have
[06:54] <disasm> phrizer: if i remember right gkrellm has a utility for mounting/unmounting partitions
[06:54] <vu> Anybody care to give me a nutshell shpeal as to why this and not Fedora Core4. NO wars please.
[06:54] <nickrud> mrichman, you may need to create a root password
[06:54] <VoX> bigcx2: dont know, never used hoary
[06:55] <bigcx2> ah
[06:55] <VoX> this is my first time using ubuntu
[06:55] <Hergiswi> Uh, I mounted the drives, but now it says I don't have permission to view the /mnt/windows folder
[06:55] <cafuego> vu: it's not shit.
[06:55] <phrizer> disasm,  does that work for samba mounts?
[06:55] <vu> cafuego,  Tha's a pretty elaborate reason heheheh great
[06:55] <cafuego> vu: well, it's a summary.
[06:55] <bigcx2> disasm: there's plenty of reasons
[06:55] <durt> oofnik: im not sure what config file the panel info is stored it, but try and find it as a user in which the gnome-panel works, then replace the bad one with that or something
[06:56] <bigcx2> first of all apt is definately the best package management tool
[06:56] <vu> cafuego,  Ma tu sei franchese?
[06:56] <nickrud> vu, I trust the 1000+ vetted devs that do debian, and by extention, ubuntu. Does fedora have that?
[06:56] <disasm> bigcx2: plenty of reasons for what?
[06:56] <cafuego> vu: Non, je ne suis pa francais.
[06:56] <oofnik> durt i tried that too.. couldn't find the one that works
[06:57] <bigcx2> going with ubuntu and not fc4
[06:57] <cafuego> vu: http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ ... and add to that better integration and ease of use for desktop users.
[06:57] <oofnik> i tried to replace the whole panel folder in ~/gconf/apps/something and it didn't change a thing
[06:58] <Hergiswi> how can I make it so I'm actually allowed to view my /mnt/ folders?
[06:58] <cafuego> vu: also see http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian
[06:58] <Cashel> Can anyone tell me how to determine the numbers usbmodules requires to create a device? Trying to get a usr 5605 modem working...
[06:58] <vu> cafuego, Still don't get it Fedora is like over 50% of all Linux installations
[06:58] <iJeffChat> hey installed ubuntu.. how can i get airport on powerbook working?
[06:58] <nickrud> cafuego, I hadn't manoj's talk there, thanks
[06:58] <disasm> Hergiswi: i cant think off the top of my head the params to force rw permissions with mount
[06:58] <bigcx2> vu: go check out distrowatch.org
[06:58] <mae> man TUX magazine sure has a slant towards KDE
[06:58] <cafuego> vu; Yeah. By that reasoning you should be on Windows.
[06:58] <bigcx2> lol
[06:59] <bur[n] er> vu: where's that fedora stat from?
[06:59] <iJeffChat> Does airport express on powerbook work with ubuntu?
[06:59] <cafuego> iJeffChat: No.
[06:59] <iJeffChat> ouch really?
[06:59] <cafuego> iJeffChat: really.
[06:59] <iJeffChat> hmm too far from router
[06:59] <vu> cafuego, Hmm....all the servers/applications are the same for all distros. It's just the location of some system files that is different. Correct?
[06:59] <johndarkhorse> iJeffChat: what kind of mac do you have?
[06:59] <iJeffChat> Powerbook
[06:59] <cafuego> iJeffChat: If your have a free pcmcia slot, a cheap orinoco 802.11b card will work fine, though.
[06:59] <vu> bur[n] er,   I made it up  ;-)
[07:00] <iJeffChat> I have an airport express card..
[07:00] <johndarkhorse> iJeffChat: new powerbook? airport extreme doesnt work with linux
[07:00] <bigcx2> vu: packaging with debian packages is far superior if you haven't noticed
[07:00] <iJeffChat> external card?
[07:00] <cafuego> iJeffChat: *nod*
[07:00] <durt> oofnik, have you tried replaceing everything that has a "g" in its name?
[07:00] <iJeffChat> I have the airport express external card, need a driver?
[07:00] <cafuego> iJeffChat: Braodcom won't release specs for the built-in one, so nobody can write a driver.
[07:00] <vu> Yes the YUM thing sux
[07:00] <mae> Do you guys think that ubuntu's popularity will revive Gnome from the grave? :)
[07:00] <bigcx2> especially from a sysadmin standpoint
[07:00] <vu> And brakes all other good stuff.
[07:00] <bigcx2> exactly
[07:00] <iJeffChat> Powerbook 17"
[07:00] <durt> oofnik: nevermind - replace ~/.gconf/apps/panel
[07:01] <iJeffChat> That's new right?
[07:01] <bigcx2> it's incredibly easy to roll your own packages too
[07:01] <bigcx2> makes sysadmin shit a snap
[07:01] <oofnik> yeah durt that's what i did
[07:01] <matthew_w> How do I run a .sh script?
[07:01] <nickrud> mae, we love trolls here :)
[07:01] <oofnik> didn't change a thing
[07:01] <cafuego> vu: The main reason is that security updates and full systems upgrades are pretty much automatic and hassle-free.
[07:01] <vu> I actually ned to dual boot macOSX and some Linux variant.
[07:01] <iJeffChat> Do i need seperate driver for the external card?
[07:01] <durt> oofnik: wait - what is the problem exactly?
[07:01] <cafuego> vu: The less time wasted admining, the better.
[07:01] <vu> cafuego,  Like OSX right?
[07:01] <Madpilot> mae: looks awfully alive for something grave-bound... you'll have to try another troll...
[07:02] <bigcx2> matthew_w: /path/to/script.sh or ./script if you're in the same directory
[07:02] <cafuego> vu: yes, except you don't need to reboot after updates ;-)
[07:02] <johndarkhorse> cafuego: any ideas on USB wifi stick?
[07:02] <cafuego> johndarkhorse: avoid!
[07:02] <oofnik> durt it's not really a very specific problem, but whenever I add certain applets to my panels, wnck-applet crashes
[07:02] <cafuego> johndarkhorse: anything listed on prism54.org
[07:02] <matthew_w> bigcx2; that's what I thought but I get permission denied, even if I do it as root..
[07:02] <mrichman> ok now how do i find the path to the queue
[07:02] <vu> cafuego, A minor inconvenience but the rewords are huge  ;-)
[07:02] <oofnik> and also whenever i launch nautilus from a launcher, it crashes, and re-opens itself twice
[07:02] <bigcx2> chmod +x filename
[07:02] <cafuego> iJeffChat: If the card is supported by the kernel, no.
[07:03] <cafuego> vu: No, OSX makes you reboot when say Samba is updated; that's not necessary.
[07:03] <VoX> bur[n] er: even with the repositries added, it still wont install vlc due to unmet dependencies
[07:03] <matthew_w> Thanks :D
[07:03] <bigcx2> np
[07:03] <cafuego> iJeffChat: http://www.petitiononline.com/BCM4301/petition.html
[07:03] <aru> hope my mic isnt broken :)
[07:04] <nickrud> mrichman, the cups spool? /var/spool/cups
[07:04] <VoX> bur[n] er: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1920
[07:04] <mrichman> nickrud no noe the RH config asks for the server and path
[07:04] <vu> Ok I have just been converted. Whats the initiation procedure for the fraternity.
[07:05] <bigcx2> do an install
[07:05] <bigcx2> :)
[07:05] <nickrud> mrichman, the last time I saw a redhat config question was in 2001; I can't help there.
[07:05] <dazvid> Does anyone use a creative audigy 2 soundcard here?
[07:05] <nickrud> or, maybe 2000?
[07:05] <cafuego> either way it belongs on #fedora
[07:05] <Madpilot> vu: try out the LiveCD?
[07:05] <haja> Ok, I am getting this error in my Xorg.0.log  http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1921
[07:05] <mrichman> how would you setup an ubuntu queue for it
[07:05] <cafuego> vu: What sort of mac you got?
[07:06] <vu> Agh yes anyone know if any financial institutions are using Ubuntu?
[07:06] <disasm> Hergiswi: sudo echo /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows auto rw,auto,user 0 0 << /etc/fstab   -  make sure hda1 is your windows partition, then just sudo umount /mnt/windows; sudo chmod 777 /mnt/windows; mount /mnt/windows      -     and you should be able to view your files
[07:06] <crimsun> dazvid: volume issues?
[07:06] <cafuego> vu: If they are, they'd never admit it publically.
[07:06] <bigcx2> very true
[07:06] <vu> cafuego, I have a couple of iBooks 12"
[07:07] <cafuego> vu: They'll run Ubuntu PPC okay, but airport express won't work.
[07:07] <mrichman> nickrud: how would you setup an ubuntu queue for it
[07:07] <mrichman> like on another machine
[07:07] <haja> Ok, I am getting this error in my Xorg.0.log  http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1921
[07:07] <vu> cafuego, There you go.
[07:07] <mae> Madpilot, nickrud, I am not trolling, as a matter of fact, I am trying to stimulate what the general consensus is among you folks :) I use gnome, and I see alot of neat new features that ubuntu has had a part in encouraging.  I also think the fact that GTK/gnome is neatly abstracted at the C binding level makes it far superior to libs like Qt as far as flexibility goes.. :)  But reading the latest issue of TUX magazine where they have a total kde slan
[07:07] <mae> t just made me think, "Man, is this really true? or is this just the non-scientific blithering of a magazine writer"
[07:08] <vu> cafuego, Did you try Yellowdog?
[07:08] <nickrud> ah, you mean an IPP connection to a printer on another machine?
[07:08] <dazvid> crimsun, no its not showing my device in sound options menu
[07:08] <dazvid> its only showing my onboard sound
[07:08] <mrichman> yes
[07:08] <cafuego> vu: No, only ever ran Debian and Ubuntu on the Wallstreet G3.
[07:09] <cafuego> vu: I *severely* doubt yellowdog supports aiport express anyway
[07:09] <Hergiswi> disasm: it just shows a ">" on the next line when I type that first command, and nothing happens. Am I supposed to be waiting for something?
[07:09] <mrichman> is ist going to be machine:631/printers/printername
[07:09] <vu> cafuego, Great off I go to dig some more ;-)
[07:09] <disasm> shouldn't be
[07:10] <disasm> oh, maybe the /'s...
[07:10] <cafuego> vu: it's just that broadcom isn't releasing specs to anyone except paying manufacturers (like apple, microsoft) so nothing else has drivers.
[07:10] <Madpilot> mae: I discovered TUXmag at the library a while ago, it does seem "all KDE, all the time" - and I've had this confirmed by other people since, that TUXmag is quite anti-Gnome...
[07:10] <crimsun> dazvid: lspci -v |grep -i audio
[07:10] <dazvid> ok
[07:10] <disasm> sudo echo "/dev/hda1 /mnt/windows auto rw,auto,user 0 0" << /etc/fstab   -    try that
[07:10] <nickrud> mrichman, you're gonna hate me, but I've only run cups on one machine; I cannot help with setting up printing on a remote machine at the moment. Ask me in a week, when I'll have done it :)
[07:10] <vu> cafuego,  Yes the old story ;-)
[07:11] <matthew_w> What would "Unable to initialize SDL - no available video device" mean?
[07:11] <mrichman> oh man! well thanks for all your help
[07:11] <dazvid> crimsun, 0000:00:0a.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs: Unknown device 0008
[07:11] <nickrud> mae, I've pretty much run gnome since 2000. As far as I can tell, it's still live and kicking :)
[07:12] <HaroldJohnson> Sweetness.  I'm in.  Hello, everyone!
[07:12] <johndarkhorse> HaroldJohnson: hows the powerbook working out?
[07:12] <mae> argh
[07:12] <mae> did anyone answer my question? :)
[07:12] <crimsun> dazvid: lsmod|grep ^snd_emu10k1
[07:12] <HaroldJohnson> johndarkhorse, Wonderfully.,
[07:12] <disasm> mae: you'll never realize how ugly and painful kde is until you try fluxbox, and then you'll never turn back ;-) gnome isn't too bad though
[07:12] <HaroldJohnson> johndarkhorse, Are you running Ubuntu on a Mac?
[07:12] <Hergiswi> it's just coming up with ">"
[07:12] <nickrud> mrichman, seriously, google around for the IPP protocol; that should get you started
[07:13] <mae> nickrud, yes I totally agree :) but one must look at the fact that kde has _way_ more applications, sure we got the major ones like firefox and other gtk-based apps...   I'm hoping that mono/gtk# will attract more developers so we get a larger breadth
[07:13] <HaroldJohnson> disasm, I just began using fluxbox after a term with XCFE4
[07:13] <dazvid> crimsun, that doesnt bring up anything
[07:13] <dazvid> or is it not supposed to?
[07:13] <disasm> Hergiswi: try this: sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[07:13] <disasm> then paste this at bottom: /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows auto rw,auto,user 0 0
[07:13] <nickrud> mae, as best I can tell, the apps of record are gtk; which (other than k3b) is universally recommended?
[07:14] <mae> disasm, I agree I think kde is totally painful and ugly..  I have to spend more time fixing the stuff that kde is "trying to do for me" then actually getting work done.  I also don't like how alot of the apps in kde use Qt-based kparts.. its like a giant integrated mess the way i see it :)
[07:14] <crimsun> dazvid: sudo modprobe snd-emu10k1
[07:14] <Hergiswi> ok, it opened fstab
[07:14] <dazvid> crimsun,  are they one's or L's ?
[07:14] <HaroldJohnson> Oops, I left for a moment.  Did I miss any messages?
[07:15] <disasm> mae: about the only kde app i like is k3b, and thats only opened every once in a blue moon, usually mkisofs/cdrecord suit me just fine
[07:15] <mae> disasm, really? CVS gnomebaker can do _almost_ everything k3b can now
[07:15] <mae> except fo the video editing stuff
[07:15] <dazvid> crimsun, nm. I reran the lsmod command, and it now displays:
[07:15] <dazvid> "snd_emu10k1            81668  0"
[07:15] <nickrud> mae, and we rest our case :)
[07:16] <disasm> gnomebaker, i may have to check it out
[07:16] <Hergiswi> what do I do with fstab?
[07:16] <crimsun> dazvid: good. Now cat /proc/asound/cards
[07:16] <disasm> about the only time i use k3b is burning audio cd's and thats just because i cant remember the switches off hand for mkisofs to burn an audio cd
[07:16] <crimsun> dazvid: paste onto paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[07:17] <ijeffchat> hey im wired in ubuntu.. im using linksys card...
[07:17] <ijeffchat> how do i use the card?
[07:17] <dazvid> crimsun, paste the cat info? or everything we have run through?
[07:17] <nickrud> disasm, serpentine (it's in backports) is supposed to do audio well; I haven't tried it yet.
[07:17] <vu> Anybody using 2.6.13/
[07:17] <zenwhen> no
[07:18] <bob2> vu: best to just ask your question...
[07:18] <mae> nickrud, I am not one to really disagree that gnome is a very active project..  I just said something inflammatory to get some opinions :)
[07:18] <cafuego> vu: I am, but not on PPC (It didn't boot on the Mac mini)
[07:18] <Knowerrors> Heyall, anybody here using orchestra/mezzo desktop on ubuntu?
[07:18] <ijeffchat> How do i use my linksys wireless card?
[07:18] <aru> should I try another program or is there settings I can change to see if my mic is working
[07:18] <Carpe_Libertatem> Can someone help me get chbg to... work?
[07:18] <nickrud> heh
[07:18] <zenwhen> oh bob2. how have you been?
[07:18] <vu> bob2, ???
[07:18] <cafuego> ijeffchat: It'll be unsupported unless using ndiswrapper, which is x86 only.
[07:18] <mae> nickrud, but i must say when one looks at the web-page gnome does seem fairly dead.
[07:18] <johndarkhorse> Carpe_Libertatem: use google and search for "ranwp.sh  ubuntu"
[07:18] <cafuego> ijeffchat: in other words: You can't use that with Linux on a Mac.
[07:18] <mae> nickrud, the only evidence one can see of activity is on the gnome and ubuntu mailing lists
[07:18] <ijeffchat> cafuego: It's a regular linksys card..
[07:19] <cafuego> ijeffchat: wired?
[07:19] <vu> cafuego, You using what of macmini?
[07:19] <ijeffchat> cafuego: wireless linksys card.. doesn't work on mac at all?
[07:19] <mae> nickrud, i think ubuntu/gnome needs some kind of "newsletter" or "traffic newsletter" to keep the marketing rolling
[07:19] <cafuego> vu: Ubuntu with 2.6.12-rc6
[07:19] <johndarkhorse> iJeffChat: you'll need to get a wifi dongle that works under linux (usb or pcmcia)
[07:19] <mae> attract new blood etc
[07:19] <cafuego> ijeffchat: Nah, 99.9% chance it won't work.
[07:19] <matthew_w> What does - WARNING - Invalid Stream Header (no STRH at beginning) segmentation fault.  Mean when running totem?
[07:19] <cafuego> ijeffchat: It's the same thing again, no specs released for the chipset.
[07:19] <ijeffchat> cafuego: this worked under linux once i believe
[07:19] <vu> cafuego, Cool...as a dual boot or?
[07:20] <cafuego> ijeffchat: x86 linux maybe.
[07:20] <Madpilot> mae: planet.ubuntu.com, for starters
[07:20] <cafuego> vu: yeah, dual boots with Tiger.
[07:20] <vu> cafuego, How did you make space for ext3?
[07:20] <disasm> i think ubuntu should include the pastebin script to paste to paste.ubuntulinux.nl, then we could tell people to /exec -o cat /some/file|pastebin
[07:20] <nickrud> I hear that mako is supposed to be the marketing guru; check in with him ;)
[07:20] <crimsun> dazvid: ok, you'll probably need a newer version of alsa-driver.
[07:20] <cafuego> vu: I took into account during the initial OSX install that i also wanted Linux. (I wiped the factory install, I always do)
[07:20] <crimsun> dazvid: I'm sending you instructions.
[07:21] <mae> Madpilot, yes but this is usually random bloggings and various excerpts of different projects.. If one of you has ever read the gentoo newsletter or perhaps the linux kernel traffic thats what i have in mind
[07:21] <crimsun> !tell dazvid about alsa-source
[07:21] <dazvid> crimsun, thankyou very much!
[07:21] <mae> a summary of new developments
[07:21] <aru> I think my mic is screwed up
[07:21] <vu> cafuego, I see so you first installed Linux and then OSX?
[07:21] <Knowerrors> Anybody used SymphonyOS here?
[07:21] <Madpilot> mae: there's talk of a newsletter for Ubuntu, called "The Fridge" or something similar and quirky. if it happens, it'll happen post-Breezy
[07:22] <johndarkhorse> vu: OSX will eat your bootloader if you install osx after linux
[07:22] <cafuego> vu: No, OSX first (repartitoned using Disk Utility on the DVD), then Linux
[07:22] <mae> Madpilot, this would be nice :)
[07:22] <Madpilot> mae: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TheFridge
[07:22] <mae> Madpilot, i think gnome could use a little hype like firefox :)
[07:22] <cafuego> johndarkhorse: Not really, it WILL reset the boot pointer in  PRAM
[07:22] <vu> johndarkhorse, Thanx
[07:22] <Cashel> anyone know anything about the acm module? modprobe acm doesnt find it and this howto says I need it..
[07:22] <vu> cafuego,  I see
[07:22] <cafuego> johndarkhorse: That's easily fixable with a rescue boot off cd.
[07:22] <johndarkhorse> cafuego: sorry, i'm a hick and dont know the fancy explanations
[07:22] <Madpilot> mako: meh. Firefox has too much hype. People act like they'
[07:22] <johndarkhorse> cafuego: easier with open firmware
[07:23] <vu> cafuego, So what's ther OSX equivalent of grub?
[07:23] <johndarkhorse> cafuego: we mac users only have to boot with the "alt-option" key to get to yaboot
[07:23] <Madpilot> mae:  Firefox has too much hype. People act like they invented all their features, rather than just copying Opera...
[07:23] <nickrud> mae, I don't think that gnome needs much marketing; gnome is supposed to be unknown, just used.
[07:23] <cafuego> johndarkhorse: That depends on whether you know the device string
[07:23] <johndarkhorse> cafuego: i've dont it beforer
[07:23] <mae> Madpilot, yes, quite a bit of hype, but remember "theres no such thing as bad publicity".. the people we want to attract will dismiss hype and be interested nonetheless to find the "truth" .. it just gives us more exposure
[07:23] <cafuego> vu: There isn't one. There's yaboot, which is more like LILO. (Fairly inflexible, but it works)
[07:24] <johndarkhorse> cafuego: the boot partition shows up in the list when you hold the alt-option key
[07:24] <afaik> first... thinks for taking the "can't change your nick" rule off #ubuntu-unregged
[07:24] <HaroldJohnson> johndarkhorse, Sends me to another channel and then abandons me
[07:24] <afaik> *thanks
[07:24] <johndarkhorse> cafuego: then you just run ybin to reinitialize your whatzit
[07:24] <HaroldJohnson> johndarkhorse, LOL
[07:24] <afaik> now... how can I watch wmv on ubuntu (I dont care about non-free, just wanna view wmv)
[07:24] <Fred|Fr3d> Is there a "marquee" screensaver available somewhere? I've seen one in KDE and in windows, but not in gnome...
[07:24] <Madpilot> !restricted
[07:24] <ubotu> I guess restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:25] <cafuego> johndarkhorse: yeah, the only critical step there is the Holy Penguin Pee one. (That adjusts the PRAM)
[07:25] <Madpilot> afaik: see ubotu above ^^^
[07:25] <HaroldJohnson> johndarkhorse, I'll be around; I'm going to read some articles to prepare for my dual boot.
[07:25] <afaik> Madpilot, eh!?
[07:25] <johndarkhorse> cafuego: i cant explain it technically, i just know after an OSX install, i do the alt-option thing and ybin my way back to yabootiness
[07:25] <Madpilot> afaik:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats for wmv stuff
[07:26] <Fred|Fr3d> is there a marquee screensaver somewhere? gnome doesnt have one :O
[07:26] <phrizer> mmkday, so viewing the properties of a file on my desktop while its still copying over, isnt a good idea :) my desktop appears to have locked up, as has the file manager. heh heh
[07:26] <dooglus> you run gnome on your marquee?
[07:27] <Madpilot> Fred|Fr3d: isn't there one in xscreensaver? it's got dozens of screensaver styles, it must have a marquee
[07:27] <Fred|Fr3d> i want a marquee screensaver; where the text just runs across the screen with no effects.
[07:27] <nickrud> phrizer, if you're lucky, alt-f2 killall nautilus might unfreeze stuff
[07:27] <Cashel> !tell cashel about acm
[07:28] <Fred|Fr3d> nope. it has ants, toasters, molecules, engines... no marquee
[07:28] <Cashel> !tell cashel about modules
[07:28] <aru> yeah, I'm pretty sure I need a new mic
[07:29] <bimberi> Fred|Fr3d: There is "GLText" but it's not really a banner, close tho :)
[07:29] <phrizer> nickrud, it brought up a forced quit dialog, and it restored it.
[07:29] <nickrud> phrizer, meaning, that worked?
[07:29] <Fred|Fr3d> bimberi: yeah i've seen that one... its laggy on my geforce 2 though :(
[07:30] <nerdy2> FontGlide also
[07:30] <bimberi> Fred|Fr3d: well, closer than ants, toasters etc. :P
[07:30] <snakehsu> Is there anyone using emacs and certain Input Method?
[07:30] <Fred|Fr3d> true lol
[07:30] <Fred|Fr3d> OOOH
[07:30] <bimberi> nerdy2: that's the one!
[07:30] <mae> is the plan to eventually use launchpad for tracking bugs instead of bugzilla?
[07:30] <Fred|Fr3d> thanks nerdy2, fontglide :D
[07:30] <bob2> mae: yes
[07:30] <Fred|Fr3d> well fontglide scroll, same differnce. thanks :D
[07:31] <dazvid> crimsun, where it states (uname) is that a program, or supposed to input my  own user name
[07:31] <oofnik> ahh can anyone help me figure out why my panels are completely screwed up? it's a problem with wnck-applet
[07:32] <crimsun> dazvid: copy and paste literally
[07:32] <crimsun> (back later)
[07:32] <dazvid> crimsun wants you to know: alsa-source is, like, totally, (1) Enable the universe repository; (2) Type the following in a terminal: sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r) alsa-source && cd /usr/src && sudo tar xfj alsa-driver.tar.bz2 && sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source && cd modules/alsa-driver && sudo debian/rules binary_modules KSRC=/lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build KVERS=$(uname -r) && sudo dpkg -i ../a
[07:32] <dazvid> lsa-modules*.deb
[07:32] <crimsun> dazvid: into a terminal
[07:32] <jtan325> does anyone here use ndiswrapper?
[07:32] <dazvid> lol, sorry for my ignorance
[07:32] <bob2> jtan325: best to just ask your question...
[07:33] <dazvid> crimsun, thanks again.
[07:33] <jtan325> yo bob2
[07:33] <jtan325> remember me from yesterday
[07:33] <jtan325> hehe
[07:33] <bob2> yes
[07:33] <dooglus> Fred|Fr3d: did you try xlockmore's "marquee"?
[07:33] <jtan325> 3 reinstallations later, i'm finally back to my old desktop and everything
[07:33] <afaik> any reason at all for ubuntu.org to use ssl with no valid cert?
[07:33] <jtan325> it's just that
[07:33] <afaik> seems a waste
[07:33] <jtan325> i can't remember how i got wireless to work on bootup
[07:33] <jtan325> with ndiswrapper
[07:33] <jtan325> ok
[07:34] <bob2> *3* reinstallations?
[07:34] <bob2> how did it take more than 1?
[07:34] <ijeffchat> Connected by wire now
[07:34] <jtan325> i was messing up x somehow
[07:34] <ijeffchat> so far working great
[07:34] <bob2> afaik: because no one bought a cert yet
[07:34] <jtan325> by installing fonts
[07:34] <Carpe_Libertatem> Is there a way to make everything in Ubuntu thinner, without finding some obscure theme?
[07:34] <durt> add ndiswrapper to /etc/modules
[07:35] <jtan325> yea i did that durt
[07:35] <jtan325> and it loads on bootup
[07:35] <dooglus> Fred|Fr3d: forget that.  xlockmore's 'marquee' doesn't scroll...
[07:35] <jtan325> but, wlan0 doesn't exist until after i do "sudo modprobe ndiswrapper"
[07:35] <bob2> then it's not being loaded by /etc/modules
[07:35] <jtan325> (after I've logged in and everything)
[07:35] <bob2> perhaps you typoed or such
[07:36] <afaik> bob2, why even use ssl though? It is just serving up information
[07:36] <jtan325> well on bootup
[07:36] <jtan325> it says "ndisdriver loaded" or something
[07:36] <afaik> not something that requires an encrypted line
[07:36] <afaik> wtf is the point?
[07:36] <jtan325> there's no failure message on that
[07:36] <bob2> afaik: logins
[07:36] <durt> you want ndiswrapper, not whatever that is
[07:36] <bob2> and wide use of encryption for mundane data is a good thing
[07:36] <afaik> bob2, then why not do like a competent site and ONLY do ssl on the login portions?
[07:36] <afaik> not the whole fucking site
[07:37] <oofnik> is anyone here running enlightenment E17
[07:37] <afaik> that's just laziness
[07:37] <afaik> at best
[07:37] <bob2> as above: loading the internet up with encrypted data is a *good* thing
[07:37] <jtan325> well i put "ndiswrapper" in /etc/modules
[07:37] <bob2> anyway, stop ranting, no one here cares or can fx it
[07:37] <jtan325> as the last line, after "nvidia"
[07:37] <jtan325> (no typo)
[07:37] <afaik> bob2, not for plain information
[07:37] <bob2> afaik: sure it is
[07:37] <durt> did you run "ndiwrapper -m"?
[07:37] <afaik> only for sensitive information (this comes from someone with 8 years web dev experience)
[07:37] <jtan325> should i run that every time?
[07:37] <jtan325> or just once
[07:37] <bob2> afaik: if you only use encryption for things you want private, it means They know anything encrypted is worth looking at
[07:38] <durt> just once