[06:29] <gorilla> Who's a moderator for the Ubuntu-Au mailing list?
[06:34] <elky> head_victim, myself and dns53.
[06:35] <elky> we can't delete messages though, and you don't need one of us to be the one to tell a conversation to stop.
[06:39] <gorilla> elky: I was curious.
[06:40] <gorilla> The concept of deleting emails after they have been sent is off. Kind of works with Exchange servers but only if your client handles the recall message propewrly.
[06:41] <gorilla> s/off/odd/
[06:42] <bradm> Exchange recall messages to mailing lists are fun
[06:53] <gorilla> bradm: even internally they can be fun, especially if it's an email that was sensitive... quick send it to the printers before it gets deleted. :-P I didn't, others did though.
[06:53] <bradm> yeah, it always makes people think, "Now, what was in that email that they didn't want me to see"
[06:55] <gorilla> Yep. It tends to be even more intriguing when there was no attachment.
[09:53] <blahdeblah> Just upgraded my first system to natty
[09:53] <blahdeblah> Ugh - how do you stop the dock thingy from disappearing like that?
[09:54] <blahdeblah> Drives me crazy
[09:56] <blahdeblah> And let me guess - workrave is no longer supported in the notification area...
[09:59] <blahdeblah> Wow.  The more i touch this interface, the more i hate it.
[10:02] <head_victim> blahdeblah: one of these days I'll actually get it on my main machine.
[10:02] <head_victim> I'm probably going to wait until 12.04 so it's a little more customisable though.
[10:03] <blahdeblah> They've made a lot of UI choices that i think are pretty lame.
[10:03] <blahdeblah> Almost makes me want to learn FreeBSD just so i can be a bit more retro.
[10:04] <head_victim> I don't mind it, the first thing I do though is make the side thingy (technical name there) as small as it will go for each icon.
[10:04] <head_victim> So that it takes up less space and lets me show a few more things.
[10:05] <head_victim> I use conky for most of my status things anyway so panel applets aren't a big thing to me.
[10:06] <head_victim> And on that note, I have to be awake at 4am again so I'll bid you farewell.
[10:07] <blahdeblah> later, head_victim
[10:08] <blahdeblah> Anyone else know how to make the dock smaller and non-disappearing under natty?
[10:09] <elky> install ccsm, unity settings are a compiz plugin
[10:09] <blahdeblah> just found that in the help
[10:10] <blahdeblah> how can they not install that by default?
[10:10]  * elky shrugs
[10:10]  * blahdeblah thinks he'll probably shrug all the way to Debian
[10:11] <elky> bye then
[10:11] <elky> i really have no patience for that attitude
[10:11] <gorilla> yep, it'
[10:11] <gorilla> s not helful.
[10:11] <gorilla> helpful rather.
[10:12] <blahdeblah> gorilla: You're leaving it wide open for a pun right there. ;-)
[10:14] <blahdeblah> If my reading of the help is correct, there is no way to keep the panel visible
[10:14] <blahdeblah> Is that correct?
[10:15] <elky> i don't know. my colleague appears to have it visible all the time
[10:15] <elky> i don't know how he did it
[10:16] <blahdeblah> I just did something that causes it only to disappear when there is a maximised app
[10:16] <blahdeblah> But i have no idea how
[10:16] <elky> http://askubuntu.com/questions/35963/how-to-make-the-unity-launcher-always-visible
[10:18] <gorilla> elky: nice resource.
[10:19] <blahdeblah> thanks elky
[10:20] <blahdeblah> Anyone know what "flip up" in the "desktop wall" plugin does?
[10:21] <blahdeblah> I just changed a setting and it tells me that there's a conflict
[10:23] <elky> dunno, but from googling, i think it's the thing that shows the 4 desktops zoomed out
[10:24] <sagaci> expo
[10:24] <blahdeblah> I think we need to have a community event for training people on unity
[10:25] <blahdeblah> This desktop makes me feel like i'm a newbie again
[10:25] <sagaci> :D
[10:26] <blahdeblah> Call me a grumpy old man, but IMO an interface is an improvement if it makes you feel like you're an expert quickly.  Unity makes me feel like i'm a newbie quickly.  Not a good feeling.
[10:27] <blahdeblah> Glad i did this on my old test laptop first.  My main laptop is sticking with LTS for now.
[10:28] <blahdeblah> Night folks.