[12:16] <omeow> Riddell, the zsnes package doesn't build.
[12:16] <omeow> err, it does build, I meant it crashes on startup.
[12:16] <omeow> However, I just fetched the latest svn checkout, and now it works again.
[12:16] <omeow> Are you against svn snapshot packages in edgy?
[12:16] <Riddell> --> #ubuntu-motu
[12:17] <omeow> What's that channel all about... *reads the topic*
[12:17] <Riddell> where packages nobody cares about go to rest
[12:18] <omeow> hehe
[12:18] <bddebian> Riddell: HEY! :-)
[12:19] <bddebian> omeow: There is a new merge for it, I'll check it out
[12:19] <omeow> Oh, very cool. :)
[12:20] <omeow> If it ftbfs for you, try a make clean, I had to do that too.
[12:27] <Riddell> bddebian: :)
[12:29] <bddebian> Not that anyone cares that I care, mind you :-)
[12:30] <Tm_T> :p
[12:30] <imbrandon> moins all
[12:30] <bddebian> Heya imbrandon
[12:31] <imbrandon> heya
[12:32] <imbrandon> bddebian:  LOL [17:30]  <Kamion> severity: breaks-mdz-hardware <-- quote of the day ;)
[12:32] <bddebian> :-)
[12:33] <Tm_T> I think it's time to burn my brains with ET, so see you later ->
[12:58] <imbrandon> ;)
[12:58] <gnomefreak> ;)
[12:58] <imbrandon> ok so whats up?
[12:59] <gnomefreak> ok on dapper the default settings are messed up but on edgy they are not messed up but dapper loses teh vert. kubuntu-logo and the K button iirc
[01:00] <imbrandon> with an upgrade from 353 to 354 is what your talking about >
[01:00] <imbrandon> ?
[01:00] <gnomefreak> imbrandon: not sure if its upgrade or fresh i didnt ask :(
[01:01] <imbrandon> ahhh yea , i noticed that the kicker is a bit messed up on my brothers install ( looses clock , kmenu etc ) on upgrade but i havent had a chance to reporduce it
[01:02] <imbrandon> from kde anything --> 354
[01:02] <imbrandon> on dapper only
[01:02] <gnomefreak> the guy i was working with said he didnt have ~/.kde/default-system-settings/kde-profile
[01:02] <imbrandon> might just be a case of reinstalling k-d-s but i dont know
[01:03] <imbrandon> i can look or poke Riddell later when he is arround though
[01:03] <gnomefreak> imbrandon: ok but that doesnt make much sense unless it has soemthing to do with qt (not klibs)
[01:03] <imbrandon> i'll load dapper in a vm and try to reporduce it regularly
[01:04] <gnomefreak> im thinking the code for dapper and for edgy is same and depends on same libs
[01:04] <imbrandon> gnomefreak: well in the case i witnessed first hand all it was is that kicker lost its settings and the wallpaper and stuff was reset to kde defaults not kubuntu
[01:04] <imbrandon> gnomefreak: i think its more of a case of default settings not code
[01:04] <Riddell> I know
[01:05] <imbrandon> err core code i should say, but the *rc files not being read ort installed or misplaced
[01:05] <gnomefreak> i would have thought edgy would reproduce it though
[01:05] <imbrandon> not nessesarly
[01:05] <imbrandon> ahhh Riddell is awake ;) heheh
[01:05] <imbrandon> you know about it already ? okies
[01:06] <gnomefreak> yeah he brought it up to us
[01:06] <imbrandon> so no need for me to load a vm and test ?
[01:06] <Riddell> I have zero idea why
[01:06] <imbrandon> ahh ok
[01:06] <gnomefreak> its been bugging me all day ;)
[01:07] <imbrandon> yea as i said i was vnc's into my brothers system yesterday and upgraded him to 354 ( he still runs dapper becouse he dosent know linux at all , i just converted him from windows )
[01:07] <imbrandon> and noticed it
[01:07] <imbrandon> i just reset his kicker etc and all was fine
[01:07] <imbrandon> but i'll load a vm and see if i can pinn down exactly why later tongiht
[01:08] <gnomefreak> bbiab dinner
[02:26] <jjesse> evening jsgotangco
[02:26] <jsgotangco> hi
[06:14] <Hobbsee> hi all
[06:23] <imbrandon> moins ;)
[06:24] <Hobbsee> anyone else getting more of "kopete is too old" bug?
[06:24] <imbrandon> for icq ? yea
[06:24] <imbrandon> i got it today
[06:24] <imbrandon> jez i got like 50 convo's going LOL
[06:25] <Hobbsee> right.  i wonder why
[06:38] <Hobbsee> kde 127921
[06:38] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 127921 in general "Contact status not correct updated after reconnect to internet" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=127921
[06:39] <Hobbsee> oh well
[06:39] <Hobbsee> yay for two line bug fixes.
[06:48] <Hobbsee> anyone here still on dapper, at the moment?
[06:52] <Hobbsee> hmmm...amarok 1.4.2 beta1 hasnt broken anything major yet
[06:54] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: i'm on breezy with a horay kernel and kde 3.5.4 loaded from svn , does that count ?

[06:54] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ahh...yeah...ish...
[06:54] <Hobbsee> :P
[06:54] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i'm looking to see if the icq client too old bug is in the dapper kdenetwork packages as well
[06:56] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: seeing as i want it fixed *before* they do the point release on it
[07:30] <imbrandon> hahaha
[07:30] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: how'd you know that having to ask for uploads was driving me bananas - as there are less people to ask to start off with.
[07:31] <imbrandon> yea , but the kubuntu "team" is comming togather nice
[07:31] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: indeed.  ready for edgy+1
[07:33] <crimsun> well, you probably could get core-dev pretty easily
[07:34] <Hobbsee> crimsun: would i get it if i went tomorrow?
[07:35] <crimsun> um..
[07:35] <crimsun> I don't think I could answer that unless I were a brilliant physicist.
[07:35] <Hobbsee> crimsun: but you do have an idea about it though
[07:36] <crimsun> I think you stand a good chance.
[07:36] <Hobbsee> crimsun: right
[07:38] <crimsun> I must be having key issues; I'll see if I can catch an admin in a few hours.
[07:38] <Hobbsee> eek
[07:39] <crimsun> (RE: bug 54742)
[07:39] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 54742 in kde-guidance "Broken symlinks in kde-guidance-0.6.7-3ubuntu1" [Medium,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/54742
[07:39] <Hobbsee> ah
[07:50] <abattoir> Hobbsee: hi :)
[07:50] <abattoir> Hobbsee: where can i get the amarok package?
[07:51] <Hobbsee> abattoir: heya.  package or source, and are you on i386?
[07:51] <abattoir> amd64
[07:51] <Hobbsee> abattoir: dont have it for that architecture yet.
[07:51] <Hobbsee> abattoir: i've got the sources on imbrandon's machine, but he's having trouble uploading things
[07:51] <abattoir> so what's the fix for building it?
[07:52] <Hobbsee> abattoir: we'll request a UVF exception for 1.4.2 i expect - not beta 2
[07:52] <Hobbsee> seems nice though
[07:52] <abattoir> Hobbsee: what must i change? (in the control/rules file) ?
[07:52] <Hobbsee> dont remember sorry
[07:52] <abattoir> hehe, ok then...
[07:52] <abattoir> thanks
[07:54] <Hobbsee> !info ktorrent dapper
[07:54] <ubotu> ktorrent: BitTorrent client for KDE. In repository main, is optional. Version 1.2-0ubuntu5 (dapper), package size 738 kB, installed size 2964 kB
[08:29] <hendry>  /j bash
[08:29] <danimo> moin
[08:30] <Hobbsee> hi danimo!
[08:30] <danimo> heya Hobbsee
[08:31] <danimo> Hobbsee: did you upload amarok 1.4.2b1?
[08:31] <danimo> !info amarok
[08:31] <ubotu> amarok: versatile and easy to use audio player for KDE. In repository main, is optional. Version 2:1.3.9-0ubuntu4 (dapper), package size 7630 kB, installed size 18672 kB
[08:31] <Hobbsee> danimo: nope
[08:31] <Hobbsee> danimo: needs a UVF exception
[08:31] <Hobbsee> i have i386 binaries though
[08:31] <danimo> UVF?
[08:31] <Hobbsee> upstream version freeze exception
[08:31] <Hobbsee> and i think i'll ask for that with 1.4.2 final
[08:34] <danimo> Hobbsee: huh? is edgy already frozen?
[08:34] <seaLne> for main yeah
[08:34] <danimo> wow
[08:34] <Hobbsee> danimo: main, yeah.
[08:54] <viviersf> :(
[08:54] <viviersf> konqueror = bleh
[08:54] <Hobbsee> viviersf: what's it done now?
[08:55] <viviersf> lol
[08:55] <viviersf> well
[08:55] <viviersf> it doesnt have a location bar any more
[08:55] <viviersf> since i updated it yesterday
[08:55] <viviersf> quite weird
[08:59] <Hobbsee> ah
[09:00] <viviersf> and like
[09:00] <viviersf> lol
[09:00] <viviersf> you must see this
[09:00] <viviersf> its like at the top :/
[09:00] <viviersf> settings , Help , edit, view , tools
[09:00] <viviersf> it alls just went insane :/
[09:02] <Hobbsee> viviersf: you on dapper, by any chance?
[09:02] <viviersf> yup
[09:02] <viviersf> dont worry
[09:02] <viviersf> im not wanting help
[09:02] <viviersf> im just saying
[09:02] <viviersf> :P
[09:03] <Hobbsee> viviersf: yeah, fair enough.  no, i want you to check a bug for me, if you can
[09:03] <viviersf> yeh kewl
[09:03] <Hobbsee> viviersf: can you connect to icq in kopete today?
[09:03] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/+bug/54757
[09:03] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 54757 in kdenetwork "Kopete cannot connect to ICQ due to protocol changes" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]
[09:03] <viviersf> well
[09:03] <viviersf> i can try
[09:03] <viviersf> hold on
[09:04] <viviersf> just need to install it qui9ck\hmmf
[09:05] <viviersf> i cant install it
[09:05] <viviersf> cos like the mirrors are giving trouble again
[09:05] <viviersf> prolly the buildd's
[09:22] <Hobbsee> Lure_!!  hey you!
[09:48] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: whatever you do, dont reboot your machine without telling me, especially not until this compile is finished.
[09:48] <imbrandon> heh ok np
[09:48] <imbrandon> btw fix the inet problems
[09:48] <imbrandon> its was a faulty dns entry
[09:48] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yeah, it looks faster :)
[09:48] <Hobbsee> ah
[09:48] <imbrandon> but yea i dont plan to reboot for ~24hours atleaste
[09:49] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: cool.  kdenetwork takes forever to compile.
[09:49] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: and i forgot to screen it, didnt i?  :P
[09:50] <imbrandon> heh are you still connected ?
[09:50] <imbrandon> i can check if its running
[09:50] <imbrandon> if you are off
[09:50] <Hobbsee> i'm connected
[09:50] <Lure_> hi Hobbsee - back from vacation and stuck in my inbox ;-(
[09:50] <Hobbsee> Lure_: hehe. enjoy :P
[09:51] <Hobbsee> Lure_: where'd you go on vac?
[09:51] <imbrandon> brandon@voyager:/etc/apt$ ps ax|grep screen
[09:51] <imbrandon>  5294 pts/1    R+     0:00 grep screen
[09:51] <imbrandon> brandon@voyager:/etc/apt$
[09:51] <Lure_> Hobbsee: Corsica
[09:51] <imbrandon> dont look like it
[09:51] <Hobbsee> Lure_: nice!
[09:51] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yeah, forgot to screen
[09:59] <seaLne> ps ax|grep SCREEN
[09:59] <seaLne> just to confuse you
[10:08] <mornfall> grep -i is your friend
[10:09] <Hobbsee> hi mornfall!
[10:09] <mornfall> hi
[10:12] <Hobbsee> hi abattoir
[10:13] <abattoir> hi Hobbsee :)
[11:31] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: hi
[11:32] <imbrandon> moins all
[11:32] <Tm_T> moin moin :)
[11:36] <pygi> imbrandon, !
[11:36] <imbrandon> heya pygi
[11:36] <imbrandon> pygi: i got most of the trinity UI ripped last night
[11:36] <pygi> how's the "in one day" UI? :)
[11:36] <imbrandon> i should be able to bzr it in the next ~12 hours
[11:37] <imbrandon> i would say
[11:37] <pygi> oh, most
[11:37] <pygi> hopefully you can bzr all :))
[11:37] <imbrandon> yea there was one or two dialogs that was easyier just to "recreate"
[11:37] <pygi>  oki, no worries ;)
[11:37] <imbrandon> yea i can bzr it all, i just ripped most ( less 2 dialogs so far )
[11:37] <pygi> finally :P
[11:38] <imbrandon> and i just remade those with designer
[11:38] <imbrandon> looks like we will have to adjust alot of it to kde4 anyhow ( mostly kde3 as is )
[11:38] <imbrandon> but thats no biggie
[11:38] <pygi> indeed
[11:41] <Riddell> Hobbsee: anyone working on kopete ICQ fix?
[11:42] <imbrandon> araik she was ( and had it uploaded or getting ready to upload to revu )
[11:42] <imbrandon> afaik*
[11:43] <Riddell> "kdenetwork 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu6.2 was ACCEPTED"  ah hah
[11:44] <imbrandon> brb afk
[11:44] <Riddell> Hobbsee: how about edgy?
[12:08] <pygi> imbrandon, join, always join !
[12:21] <Hobbsee> Riddell: me.  done.
[12:21] <Hobbsee> Riddell: :D
[12:21] <Riddell> Hobbsee: even edgy?
[12:21] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yep :D
[12:21] <Hobbsee> Riddell: pitti  uploaded edgy, infinity uploaded dapper :)
[12:22] <Riddell> 4:3.5.4+kopete0.12.1-0ubuntu3
[12:22] <Riddell> you rock Hobbsee
[12:22] <Hobbsee> Riddell: :D
[12:22] <imbrandon> heheh ;)
[12:22] <Hobbsee> Riddell: want to say that tomorrow at the meeting?
[12:22] <Riddell> what meeting?
[12:22] <Hobbsee> Riddell: tech board.  your later today
[12:22] <Riddell> what are you going to do there?
[12:22] <imbrandon> +core dev
[12:22] <Hobbsee> Riddell: well, you might be making the annoucement we discussed, and core dev.
[12:23] <Riddell> I could do yes
[12:24] <Hobbsee> Riddell: are you going to?
[12:25] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I think so
[12:25] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yay :)
[12:28] <ubuntu> Hi
[12:28] <Hobbsee> hi Ubugtu
[12:28] <Hobbsee> hi ubuntu
[12:28] <Hobbsee> darn tab completion
[12:29] <ubuntu> Hi Hobbsee :)
[12:32] <Hobbsee> Riddell: if you could cheer for me w.r.t core dev at the meeting later, i'd appreciate that.  also, imbrandon is going for MOTU, i believe
[12:33] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: yup yup I am , and I asked him also ;)
[12:33] <imbrandon> just finishing his sugestions to my wiki now ;)
[12:50] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: poke
[12:53] <Hobbsee> imbrandon:poke back
[12:53] <imbrandon> hrm i forgot, heh give me a sec to rember
[12:55] <Riddell> imbrandon: did you reply to iwj?
[12:55] <imbrandon> i never seen anything back from him, wonder if my spam filters ate it
[12:55] <Riddell> he posted to ubuntu-devel
[12:55] <Riddell> what did you send him?
[12:55] <imbrandon> ohhh i rarely read that, will go look
[12:56] <imbrandon> what i cc'd to you
[12:56] <imbrandon> thats all
[12:56] <imbrandon> what date on the -devel list so i can sanely grep it lol
[12:57] <Riddell> sunday i think
[12:58] <imbrandon> kk *looks*
[12:59] <Hobbsee> hmmm.  more jabber trouble.
[01:01] <imbrandon> ahh i see it now, and yea jabber is screwing up, wonder if its our kopete or jabber
[01:02] <imbrandon> Riddell: yea i see his comments, but i dont think he understood what i was asking , did you read the email i sent him ( and cc'd you ) ?
[01:02] <imbrandon> since ff is default in ubuntu it would be trivial to just add it to u-d-s
[01:02] <imbrandon> was my point , then that wouldent even get installed in the dirivitives
[01:03] <imbrandon> ( as oposed to installing it as a dep of ff its self )
[01:03] <Riddell> my understanding is that it has to be a dep of ff from the way its implemented
[01:04] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: it's jabber.org
[01:04] <imbrandon> ahhh ok so he just implemented it un-sanely instead of say how we do the amarok theme stuff
[01:05] <imbrandon> should i just replay with something along those lines ( not confrontational but saying it would make everyones life easier just to make it part of a u-d-s implmentation )
[01:05] <imbrandon> as with amarok or other apps
[01:07] <imbrandon> that and w.r.t. kde 3.5.{3,4} are either going to make -updates for the point release ?
[01:08] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: no
[01:08] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what are we doing about arts for kde 3.5.4?  i tried downgrading, and still got the crash.
[01:09] <hunger> Riddell: I have the same problem as Hobbsee.
[01:10] <Riddell> Hobbsee: it should work now
[01:10] <Riddell> it needs the latest libarts1-akode from kdemultimedia
[01:10] <Hobbsee> right...yep?
[01:10] <Hobbsee> thought i got that
[01:11] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right, can you tell me which version is "latest" then please?
[01:12] <Hobbsee> on cue, i get a kcrash dialog about artsd :P
[01:13] <imbrandon> heh yea my brother updated too and said the crash went away but i dident ask him any more than that
[01:13] <Riddell> dapper0.1
[01:13] <Hobbsee> yay, my kopete hit the archive :)
[01:13] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you updating the edgy ones at all?
[01:13] <Riddell> ah, that's a good point
[01:14] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hehe!
[01:34] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: lol
[01:35] <Hobbsee> FOUND THEM!!!
[01:35] <Hobbsee> yay :)
[01:35] <jeroenvrp> ok, I'm going to test kde 3.5.4 - I heard there are some issues with it: anyone know which?
[01:35] <Hobbsee> jeroenvrp: on edgy or dapper?
[01:35] <jeroenvrp> Hobbsee: on dapper
[01:35] <Hobbsee> arts is buggered on edgy, seeing as someone forgot to fix it :P
[01:35] <Hobbsee> jeroenvrp: you should be okay
[01:35] <jeroenvrp> ok
[01:35] <jeroenvrp> thanks Hobbsee
[01:36] <jeroenvrp> btw I only see dapper
[01:36] <imbrandon> jeroenvrp: its in edgy by default atm
[01:36] <jeroenvrp> imbrandon: off course :-)
[01:37] <imbrandon> so if you have edgy ( not recomended for non developers ) you have 3.5.4 ;)
[01:37] <jeroenvrp> I stay on dapper for a while
[01:37] <imbrandon> good call ;)
[01:44] <danimo> Hobbsee: oh, don't remind me on tax stuff
[01:44] <Ignite_> hrm, i have the KDE kubuntu repo in my sources.list, is there another repo with 3.5.4 or do i need to build from source?
[01:45] <Ignite_> oh dear
[01:47] <Ignite_> ah
[01:47] <Ignite_> i was under the impression 3.5.4 had been released
[01:47] <Ignite_> nvm
[01:56] <Hobbsee> Ignite_: well...it sort of has
[01:56] <Ignite_> ah
[01:57] <Tm_T> well, 3.5.4 has issues in dapper
[01:57] <Hobbsee> Ignite_: it's not officially released yet, but there's packages for it
[01:57] <Ignite_> :(
[01:57] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: which ones, and are they on the wiki somewhere?
[01:57] <Ignite_> i will wait until its released :)
[01:57] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: no idea if there's list somewhere, but: somehow many KDE-related settings are ignored/fallen back to defaults
[01:58] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: and that list is not a short one ;(
[01:58] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: ah yeah, i heard someone mention that
[01:58] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: heh, yeah
[01:58] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: prolly me, I've been barking about it here ;)
[01:58] <Tm_T> also
[01:59] <Tm_T> 00:39 < Riddell>  /etc/kderc is being ignored
[01:59] <Tm_T> 00:39 < Riddell> I've no idea why
[01:59] <Tm_T> :p
[01:59] <Hobbsee> yep
[02:02] <Tm_T> hmm, I forgot how I set konqueror to always show tabbar
[02:03] <imbrandon> !heartbeat
[02:03] <ubotu> I know nothing about heartbeat - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[02:03] <imbrandon> !info heartbeat
[02:03] <ubotu> heartbeat: Subsystem for High-Availability Linux. In repository main, is optional. Version 1.2.4-2ubuntu0.1 (dapper), package size 475 kB, installed size 1600 kB
[02:09] <imbrandon> hehe
[02:09] <Riddell> Hobbsee: don't
[02:09] <Riddell> seriously, they're dangerous
[02:09] <Hobbsee> Riddell: why so?
[02:10] <Riddell> Hobbsee: they messed with my head, I had a stage of collapsing into bed at 7 in the evening on random days and the common factor was instant noodles
[02:11] <Hobbsee> Riddell: eek!
[02:11] <imbrandon> !find pbuttons
[02:11] <ubotu> No packages matching 'pbuttons' could be found
[02:11] <imbrandon> !find pbbuttons
[02:11] <ubotu> No packages matching 'pbbuttons' could be found
[02:11] <imbrandon> grr
[02:11] <imbrandon> !find buttons
[02:11] <ubotu> No packages matching 'buttons' could be found
[02:12] <imbrandon> what package is the pbbuttons in ? anyone know
[02:15] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: the one that always fails on boot?  no idea
[02:15] <Hobbsee> !info pbuttonsd edgy
[02:15] <ubotu> Package pbuttonsd does not exist in edgy
[02:15] <Hobbsee> !info pbbuttonsd edgy
[02:15] <ubotu> pbbuttonsd: PBButtons daemon to handle special hotkeys of Apple computers. In repository main, is optional. Version 0.7.5-2ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 125 kB, installed size 500 kB (Only available for i386 powerpc)
[02:15] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: that one?  ^
[02:15] <imbrandon> heh probably fails on boot becouse its power book buttons
[02:15] <imbrandon> yea
[02:15] <Hobbsee> iv'e got that package installed too - and i'm certainly not running a powerbook
[02:16] <imbrandon> heh well someone files a bug agains xserver and it should be files on that
[02:16] <imbrandon> http://launchpad.net/bugs/54782
[02:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 54782 in heartbeat "fails to install " [Untriaged,Confirmed]
[02:16] <imbrandon> err
[02:16] <imbrandon> not that one
[02:16] <imbrandon> http://launchpad.net/bugs/54781
[02:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 54781 in xorg-server "Terrible keyboard performance on PPC" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]
[02:17] <imbrandon> 54781 should be against pbbuttonsd not xorg
[02:17] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: change it then?
[02:17] <imbrandon> and i have no idea why you have it installed if you dont have an apple ;)
[02:18] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: looks to be an alternative to laptop-mode-tools.  dunno
[02:20] <imbrandon> i also asked for more info
[02:27] <imbrandon> ok i'm off to take a nap before TB , see yall in a few hours
[02:28] <imbrandon> hehe i triaged my few for the day
[02:28] <imbrandon> heh , gnight
[02:32] <Hobbsee> yay for bug triage on kdebase.
[02:36] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: three hoorays for you :)
[02:36] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: :)
[02:50] <Hobbsee> Riddell: did you want to check https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/44920 - doubt it's got anything to do with the dapper kde 3.5.4 problems...
[02:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 44920 in kdebase "KDEROOTHOME set incorrectly; user settings ignored" [Medium,Unconfirmed]
[02:53] <imbrandon> [07:52]  <imbrandon> there should really be a drop down as to what distro ( breezy / dapper / edgy ) is being used when the bug happens
[02:53] <imbrandon> [07:52]  <imbrandon> since the "supported" overlaps and the bugs are filed agains the source ( no version )
[02:53] <imbrandon> ^^ Hobbsee
[02:53] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: true.  however we're only trying to fix the bugs in edgy, unless they're major
[02:54] <imbrandon> yea but that would cut down on alot of "needs info"
[02:54] <jjesse> i've never really understand how that works
[02:54] <jjesse> bugs get fixed only in the next release?
[02:54] <seaLne> when i filed a bug recently i managed to do it against edgy
[02:54] <imbrandon> seaLne: yea but not easlily
[02:54] <imbrandon> anyhow i got to sleep hehehe
[02:54] <imbrandon> gnight
[02:58] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: true.
[02:59] <Hobbsee> jjesse: well, it's the idea of unstable/stable.  and seeing that some bugfixes also introduce new bugs
[02:59] <Riddell> Hobbsee: 44920 is fixed in edgy
[02:59] <Hobbsee> bug 44920
[02:59] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 44920 in kdebase "KDEROOTHOME set incorrectly; user settings ignored" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/44920
[02:59] <Hobbsee> Riddell: did you close it then?
[03:00] <jjesse> don't forget tomorrow is a hug day :)
[03:00] <Hobbsee> jjesse: oh yay.
[03:00] <Riddell> Hobbsee: nope, please go ahead
[03:00] <Hobbsee> jjesse: you volunteering to go thru the lists?
[03:00] <Hobbsee> Riddell: :) just did.  how's the artsd fixing going?
[03:00] <jjesse> well try to go through some of them
[03:02] <Hobbsee> jjesse: cool.  i do have a vague plan on how to go thru those bugs, if anyone's interested
[03:02] <Hobbsee> !info apache
[03:02] <ubotu> apache: versatile, high-performance HTTP server. In repository universe, is optional. Version 1.3.34-2ubuntu0.1 (dapper), package size 375 kB, installed size 808 kB
[03:03] <jjesse> Hobbsee: made the change on RestrictedFormats per your reuqest yesterday
[03:03] <Hobbsee> jjesse: :) thankyou :)
[03:04] <jjesse> Riddell: per bug 48525  i have recreated new release notes and uploaded them to svn can you read them and make sure they address that bug?
[03:04] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 48525 in kubuntu-docs "Problems with Dapper Release Notes for Kubuntu" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/48525
[03:04] <Hobbsee> jjesse: figured it was worth fixing, and changing the doco.  may as well have apps that work, after all
[03:04] <jjesse> what a novel idea, having apps that work :)
[03:05] <Hobbsee> jjesse: hehe!
[03:05] <Hobbsee> yeah
[03:08] <jjesse> official ubuntu book comes out august 4, 2006 go preorder your copy :)
[03:08] <jjesse> currently ranked on amazon #10,943 :)
[03:09] <Riddell> jjesse: added to my TODO list
[03:09] <Riddell> O'Reilly gave me a free copy of Ubuntu Hacks the other day
[03:10] <jjesse> yeah was it any good?
[03:10] <Hobbsee> jjesse: what probably would be helpful was if a group of people went thru all the bugs, and anything that looks like you need a high order developer (ie, one who knows everything) to fix, add to a wiki page somewhere.  that splits the "already fixed" bugs, the "simple to fix" bugs, and the "i really have no clue about these, but someone else should" type bugs - often which will need to be filed upstream anyway.
[03:10] <Hobbsee> they mentioned that at slug, actually
[03:10] <jjesse> some form of sub page of the bugsquad or something?
[03:11] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: small report of the upgrade process from kde 3.5.3 to 3.5.4 on dapper:
[03:11] <Hobbsee> jjesse: wherever.  and bring it up in the meeting, subscribe me to it, or whatever
[03:12] <Riddell> jeroenvrp: hmm?
[03:12] <Hobbsee> jeroenvrp: shoot :)
[03:12] <jjesse> Hobbsee: in my spare time :)
[03:12] <jeroenvrp> 1. kdebase-data had files that were also in kcontrol, so I had to use the dpkg -i --force-overwrite
[03:12] <Hobbsee> jjesse: hehe, of course :)
[03:12] <Riddell> jeroenvrp: got a list of those files?
[03:13] <Hobbsee> jjesse: i'm just knowing that you'll be the one who's around when they're all triaging, while i'll be at uni or asleep
[03:13] <jeroenvrp> 2. kaffeine and kalzium had the same problems, allthough that was fixed with apt-get upgrade -f
[03:13] <Hobbsee> jeroenvrp: "some problems" is useless :P
[03:13] <Riddell> jeroenvrp: I need exact errors
[03:13] <Hobbsee> do you have a dpkg log of all this or something?  like, a pastebin of it?
[03:13] <jeroenvrp> 3. kdebindings-java libdcop3-java libkde3-java libqt3-java will not upgrade, cant find why
[03:13] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: yes one moment
[03:17] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: I'm sorry, can't find it anymor
[03:18] <Riddell> bah
[03:18] <Riddell> well 3) is easy, I never built kdebindings
[03:19] <Riddell> 2) I've no idea about and 1) I should be able to fix with that information
[03:19] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:20] <jeroenvrp> 2. I can remember that kaffeine-xine had some overlap with kaffeine
[03:20] <jeroenvrp> sorry
[03:20] <jeroenvrp> next time I will try to log it
[03:21] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: but those bindings are build
[03:21] <jeroenvrp> adept want to update, but when I go there they are held
[03:21] <jeroenvrp> i will uninstall them
[03:23] <Hobbsee> jeroenvrp: more useful to do that with apt-get - adept doesnt show how they break
[03:23] <Hobbsee> jeroenvrp: you can still find otu what it's complaining over
[03:25] <Hobbsee> um, does anyone know what happened to kdetv in dapper, or is MoM on drugs?
[03:25] <Hobbsee> s/dapper/debian/
[03:31] <jeroenvrp> ah I see what the problem with the bindings is
[03:32] <jeroenvrp> it want to install 3.5.2
[03:33] <jeroenvrp> kdebindings-java 3.5.4 wants libdcop3-java, libkde3-java and libqt3-java 3.5.4, but the latter 3 are not there, only the 3.5.2 ones
[03:33] <Hobbsee> i dont believe this...
[03:34] <jeroenvrp> so kdebindings-java should be removed from the repos
[03:34] <jeroenvrp> from 3.5.4 repos that is
[03:38] <Hobbsee> all manual merges suck.
[03:43] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian
[03:43] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee
[03:47] <danimo> Hobbsee: are you using it actively?
[03:47] <danimo> Hobbsee: or did you just see it failing?
[03:47] <Hobbsee> danimo: hmmm?
[03:48] <danimo> Hobbsee: kdetv, didn't you complain about it?
[03:49] <Hobbsee> danimo: ahh.  it's listed on the merge-o-matic, but i cant seem to find the debian version it recognises.
[03:49] <danimo> Hobbsee: merge-o-matic?
[03:49] <Hobbsee> danimo: yes.  keybuk wrote it, it's a tool for helping out merges
[03:49] <danimo> ah, ok
[03:49] <Hobbsee> between edgy and debian sid
[03:54] <jeroenvrp> indeed, I can confirm the problems with the personal settings
[03:54] <jeroenvrp> kcontrol seems to wotk btw
[03:54] <jeroenvrp> allthough sometimes out of the blue the personalizer pops up
[03:54] <jeroenvrp> sometimes. is while starting
[03:54] <jeroenvrp> lets start again
[03:55] <Hobbsee> night all
[03:55] <Hobbsee> see you all for the meeting, i expect
[03:57] <jeroenvrp> ok that is gone
[03:59] <jeroenvrp> also konqueror settings are gone
[03:59] <jeroenvrp> incl the adblock filters
[04:01] <jeroenvrp> mmm only the adblock filters and the default profile
[04:02] <jeroenvrp> also all khotkeys are gone
[04:02] <jeroenvrp> only preset-actions are left
[04:03] <Riddell> that's all down to kubuntu-default-settigns not being read
[04:04] <Hobbsee> Riddell: does that just happen to the dapper people?  i havent noticed my k-d-s stuff gone
[04:07] <Riddell> it's dapper only
[04:07] <Riddell> there's no reason for it, the package is the same as in edgy.  it's insane
[04:07] <Hobbsee> Riddell: that's what i thought
[04:09] <jeroenvrp> but why doesnt readt my personal settings anymore
[04:09] <jeroenvrp> I mad a lot of modifications
[04:09] <jeroenvrp> mad=made
[04:28] <jeroenvrp> it is must worst
[04:29] <hunger> Any progress on the edgy/arts crashes yet?
[04:29] <jeroenvrp> when I change e.g. the style from plastik to lipstik, it goes back to plastik after aprox. 15 min
[04:31] <rouzic> Hi all
[04:33] <jeroenvrp> sorry, but I? going back 3.5.3
[04:34] <Riddell> jeroenvrp: thanks for your feedback though, it's been useful
[04:34] <Tm_T> jeroenvrp: you're not alone ;)
[04:35] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: hopefully you will be able to fix those settings-issue
[04:35] <Tm_T> Riddell: I prolly move to edgy tomorrow, unless you need someone as testdummy in dapper
[04:35] <Riddell> Tm_T: do it
[04:35] <Tm_T> aye sit
[04:35] <Tm_T> sir
[04:36] <Hobbsee> Riddell: [00:29]  <hunger> Any progress on the edgy/arts crashes yet?
[04:36] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: why you don't use alsa(player) ;)
[04:36] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: to get notifications?
[04:37] <Tm_T> yes, I haven't been using arts since... dunno, ever
[04:37] <Tm_T> I made a script which I use as external player
[04:37] <Tm_T> dunno if it's optimal way but it works
[04:38] <Tm_T> alsaplayer -d plug:dmix -l 0.5 -i text -q $*
[04:39] <Tm_T> actually I should not need dmix anymore, have to test if it works
[04:39] <Tm_T> without it I mean
[04:39] <Hobbsee> ah right
[04:40] <Tm_T> yess! hdmix o/
[04:40] <Tm_T> lovely
[05:05] <freeflying|away> Riddell: ping
[05:06] <Riddell> freeflying|away: hi
[05:08] <freeflying> Riddell: scim-pinyin FTBFS, due to the change of scim  :)
[05:10] <freeflying> Riddell: can I send you the debdiff using DCC now?
[05:11] <Riddell> freeflying: not DCC, but web or e-mail sure
[05:28] <freeflying> Riddell: sent out ,thanks
[05:43] <hunger> Riddell: Any progress on the edgy/arts crashes yet?
[05:43] <Riddell> hunger: new kdemultimedia uploaded some minutes ago
[05:43] <hunger> Riddell: THANKS!
[05:44] <hunger> Riddell: I saw you will be at akedemy:-)
[05:44] <hunger> Riddell: Maybe I won't miss you there... I still owe you the beer I promissed you for when we meet at fosdem.
[05:59] <Riddell> freeflying: uploaded
[06:15] <Tm_T> Riddell: what's that kdebase-data upgrade on dapper
[06:15] <Riddell> adds a Replaces on kcontrol
[06:16] <Tm_T> hmm
[06:16] <Tm_T> you mean it should fix those configure issues?
[06:17] <Tm_T> anyway, I'll look at it after sauna ->
[09:13] <Riddell> allee: what is ITA and RFP?
[09:13] <Riddell> request for package
[09:14] <Riddell> intend to ...?
[09:14] <mornfall> adopt
[09:14] <Riddell> right
[09:17] <Riddell> hi abattoir_, how's the code?
[09:36] <allee> Riddell: 'Interest To Adapt' (for orphaned pkgs) and 'Request for Package'
[09:37] <allee> module typing error as usual ;)
[09:38] <Riddell> allee: was referring to the kat bug
[09:38] <Riddell> might be an idea to just remove kat, which is what hunger suggested doing in ubuntu
[09:38] <allee> Riddell: bug # ?
[09:39] <Riddell> hmm, I can't find it now
[09:39] <Riddell> it was in my e-mail
[09:40] <Riddell> dunno, lost it :(
[09:40] <jjesse> Edgy will be Kubuntu X.XX??  what is the X.XX like dapper is 6.06
[09:40] <Riddell> 6.10
[10:01] <allee> Riddell: kat is a strange peace ;)  2 ITP one ITA, 2 commits in kde-extras (dec 2005), never uploaded.  kat.mandriva.com unavailable currently.  Launchpad has 2 bugs.  Any special reason to remove it?  (I've never used cat)
[10:02] <allee> fabo: ^^^
[10:02] <Riddell> allee: development on Kat seems to have stopped in favour of strigi
[10:02] <Riddell> strigi is in debian and sync requested for ubuntu
[10:04] <allee> yeah fabo pkged strigi.  fabo is case you see kat as a dead end too, maybe this should be mentioned in wnpp too.
[10:06] <crimsun> someone please SMS hobbsee, please
[10:06] <Riddell> crimsun: why?
[10:06] <crimsun> she's up for core-dev
[10:06] <Riddell> oh, meeting
[10:06] <imbrandon_zZz> Riddell: [15:06]  <Keybuk> (if somebody can ping hobbsse, please do so)
[10:07] <crimsun> imbrandon_zZz: sorry, I've been in conferences all day
[10:07] <Riddell> sent
[10:07] <crimsun> thanks
[10:07] <imbrandon> np crimsun Riddell helped with my wiki a bit
[10:07] <crimsun> ok, great. G'luck!
[10:07] <imbrandon> thanks ;) i'll need it , i'm going on 4 hours sleep
[10:07] <imbrandon> hehe
[10:08] <imbrandon> JUST woke up
[10:09] <jjesse> core dev is for main access right?
[10:09] <Riddell> yes
[10:09] <jjesse> Riddell: if you get a chacne can you review my updated release notes (http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/release-notes/C/index.html) for bug 48525
[10:09] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 48525 in kubuntu-docs "Problems with Dapper Release Notes for Kubuntu" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/48525
[10:09] <Riddell> jjesse: probably tomorrow, keep poking me please
[10:10] <jjesse> Riddell: np started working on edgy release notes today
[10:10] <Riddell> great :)
[10:52] <Hobbsee> morning all
[10:52] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: hwo'd y
[10:52] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: how'd you do?
[10:52] <imbrandon> not up[ yet
[10:52] <crimsun> he's up next, I think.
[10:52] <imbrandon> i'm next
[10:52] <imbrandon> brb gonna grab a soda before they call me
[10:52] <Hobbsee> crimsun: did they do core people yet?
[10:52] <crimsun> better wake up fast, because TB is in the grilling mood today.
[10:53] <crimsun> Hobbsee: yes
[10:53] <crimsun> just ping in after imbrandon
[10:53] <Hobbsee> crimsun: oh craup
[10:53] <Hobbsee> *crap
[10:54] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: ;P
[10:54] <Hobbsee> crimsun: define the grilling mood?
[10:54] <omeow> So... nvidia's driver won't work on edgy because it doesn't support the latest version of xorg, and we are forced to switch renderaccel off.
[10:54] <imbrandon> lots of questions but nothing out of the norm it dosent seem to me
[10:55] <omeow> Is edgy going to be released in a state where it needs to have renderaccel turned off or will it be released after nvidia releases a new driver?
[10:55] <Hobbsee> oh dear
[10:55] <crimsun> the questions today have been fairly extensive
[10:56] <crimsun> both gauvain and michael have been grilled
[10:56] <Hobbsee> great
[10:56] <Hobbsee> did they get thru though?
[10:56] <crimsun> (hope you have your wiki page done!)
[10:57] <crimsun> michael (azeem) is still in-progress
[10:57] <crimsun> gauvain was approved
[10:57] <Hobbsee> crimsun: cool.   wasnt much to change from MOTU, that i can see.  the goals havent changed.
[11:00] <Riddell> Hobbsee: because your phone was off
[11:01] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ahhh...yes, i'm good at turning it off while fast asleep.
[11:01] <Hobbsee> Riddell: and i turned it off last night on autopilot
[11:01] <Hobbsee> so even though the alarm on it went off, i must have switched it off
[11:04] <Hobbsee> good, enough time for a shower. i have to get to uni on time today.
[11:06] <Hobbsee> dont let them finish without me :P
[11:07] <crimsun> you have probably four minutes.
[11:10] <crimsun> imbrandon: you have a wiki page that documents your plans for universe, no? You should point TB to that.
[11:11] <imbrandon> yes
[11:15] <Hobbsee> i'm back :)
[11:19] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yay!!!!
[11:19] <imbrandon> gahhh
[11:19] <imbrandon> heheh
[11:19] <imbrandon> yay !
[11:20] <crimsun> imbrandon: of course you can just reassign them to Hobbsee once she gains ubuntu-core-dev privs.
[11:20] <imbrandon> hahahahaha
[11:20] <imbrandon> ;)
[11:20] <imbrandon> thanks guys ( everyone ) for the kind words and cheering
[11:20] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:26] <allee> imbrandon: congrats!
[11:26] <imbrandon> allee: thanks
[11:27] <imbrandon> hahah too late you already did
[11:27] <imbrandon> ;)
[11:27] <pygi> ergh, damn it, I knew I forgot something :P
[11:48] <Hobbsee> sigh.
[11:59] <crimsun> feel free to ping me; I'll attempt to shift my schedule a bit so that kubuntu stuff can be pushed in as quickly as possible.
[12:01] <Hobbsee> Riddell: it's fun today :P
[12:07] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i have to eat first, otherwise i'll crash.
[12:07] <Riddell> Hobbsee: at least we now have a clearer policy for what's needed to get into -core-dev
[12:08] <toma> food is overrated
[12:08] <Hobbsee> Riddell: true.  they might actually fix it too.
[12:08] <Hobbsee> toma: not when the lack of it makes you dizzy, pass out, hot/cold/hot/cold constantly, or sends your depth perception crazy.  among other things.
[12:09] <toma> food is underrated
[12:09] <Riddell> toma: except fresh home made hummous, that's not overrated at all
[12:09] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:09] <toma> hummous?
[12:09] <toma> chocolate mousse?
[12:09] <Hobbsee> toma: unforurtunately, i tend to run with that, which makes it very problematic when i've been using up a lot of energy - i simply run out :P


[05:58] <superfly> hey Symmetria, it's your birthday, happy birthday!
[07:42] <nlsthzn> cool, happy b day Symmetria.... and good morning superfly
[07:43] <superfly> heya nlsthzn
[07:44] <nlsthzn> brb, got to assit the wife in a "game" ... her mouse control not the best :D
[07:56] <Kilos> morning superfly and every one else
[07:58] <superfly> hi Kilos
[07:58] <superfly> Kilos: you're late... did you oversleep? :-P
[07:59] <Kilos> hehe i was up at 4 to great debs when she got home from work then went back to sleep
[08:04] <Kilos> hiya corrie206 howzit
[08:05] <nlsthzn> hey uncle Kilos :)
[08:07] <Kilos> hiya nlsthzn
[08:07] <Kilos> hows arab land
[08:07] <nlsthzn> In unrest it would seem :)
[08:07] <Kilos> oh yes
[08:08] <Kilos> saw on the idiot box
[08:08] <Kilos> doesnt look good
[08:08] <nlsthzn> interesting times
[08:09] <Kilos> anyone know how to tell xchat to use alsa. i have removed pulseaudio
[08:10] <nlsthzn> Kilos: Hello, xchat, how are you? Fine thanks... please use also kthxbai
[08:10] <nlsthzn> *alsa
[08:10] <Kilos> hehe
[08:11] <Kilos> with pidgin when you use pulse it closes pidgin now and again
[08:11] <Kilos> if you change it to alsa probs gone
[08:12] <Kilos> here  in xchat it asks if you want to use an external sound playing program
[08:12] <superfly> Maaz: google for xchat use alsa
[08:12] <Maaz> superfly: "XChat | Linux App Finder" http://linuxappfinder.com/package/xchat :: "Debian -- Details of package xchat in sid" http://packages.debian.org/sid/xchat :: "Debian -- Details of package xchat in squeeze" http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/xchat :: "Bug #249: Маскировка пакетов и обновление" http://www.calculate-linux.org/issues/249 :: "Gentoo Wiki Archives - FAQ_USE_Flags" http://www.gentoo-wiki.info/FAQ_
[08:12] <Kilos> but i think you need to give it the path to alsa
[08:12] <superfly> nope, that doesn't work
[08:13] <Kilos> and thats got me
[08:14] <Kilos> with pidgin there a button called method and when pressed it gives a choice
[08:16] <superfly> Kilos: which version of xchat do you have, the gnome-ified version, or the normal version
[08:16] <Kilos> the normal one superfly
[08:16] <Kilos> i dont like the gnome one
[08:17] <Kilos> if i go search files
[08:17] <Kilos> i find lotsa alsa files in /usr
[08:17] <Kilos> but dunno which one to use or even if thats the right way
[08:19] <superfly> no, that's not the right thing
[08:19] <superfly> you need to select a device usually
[08:19] <superfly> Kilos: what's the version number of your xchat?
[08:19] <Kilos> i look if there anything in /dev
[08:20] <Kilos> i dunno how to find that superfly
[08:20] <Kilos> lo zerlgi
[08:20] <nlsthzn> Kilos: should have info in help/about
[08:21] <superfly> Kilos: x-chat should use alsa automatically
[08:21] <nlsthzn> version number etc
[08:21] <Kilos> 2.8.6
[08:21] <Kilos> ty nlsthzn
[08:22] <superfly> Kilos: otherwise, select "external program" and type in /usr/bin/aplay
[08:22] <Kilos> i had to tell pidgin to use alsa
[08:22] <Kilos> maybe evrything uses pulse as default
[08:22] <zerlgi> Hi Kilos
[08:23] <superfly> Kilos: probably... you probably need to tell gnome to use alsa
[08:23]  * nlsthzn strokes Quassel and it purrs back contently
[08:23]  * zerlgi waves at ubuntu-za's
[08:23] <Kilos> i go look if there a plugin in synaptic
[08:23]  * superfly strokes OSSv4 and Quassel
[08:24] <superfly> hi zerlgi
[08:25] <superfly> Kilos: run gconf or whatever it is, and look for a sound section
[08:25] <Kilos> also i am using karmic
[08:26] <Kilos> everything working well
[08:26] <nlsthzn> what does ubuntu/kubuntu use for sound by default, alsa or pulse?
[08:26] <zerlgi> pulse
[08:26] <nlsthzn> zerlgi: thx... I have never had issues with pulse then :)
[08:26] <Kilos> pulse
[08:26] <Kilos> before only prob i had with alsa was pidgin
[08:27] <Kilos> i mean pulse
[08:28] <Kilos> i member superfly  saying its the first thing he killed. and didnt know why
[08:28] <superfly> nlsthzn: actually, both
[08:28] <superfly> PulseAudio is a solution looking for a problem that no one has
[08:29] <nlsthzn> hmmm....
[08:30] <superfly> but now both Ubuntu and Kubuntu seem to think that they can't function without it
[08:30] <superfly> and in Kubuntu, it means that you have ZERO control over your volume
[08:31] <Kilos> lol
[08:31] <Kilos> now since i removed pulse my volume button also gone
[08:31] <Kilos> hehe
[08:35] <nlsthzn> I seem to have very good volume control in Kubuntu?
[08:41] <Kilos> later. i try add xchat-xsys
[08:44] <superfly> nlsthzn: how many volume controls do you have? with pulse you get 1 - I want to be able to set my individual channels
[08:46] <nlsthzn> superfly: only one it seems... then again that is as many as I need/want :p
[08:47] <Kilos> what does ctcp sound mean?
[08:48] <kbmonkey> hi superfly, is this through alsamixer? :)
[08:48] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey
[08:48] <superfly> kbmonkey: no, KDE's default volume control applet, KMix
[08:48] <kbmonkey> hi Kilos and everyone
[08:49] <Kilos> w00t
[08:49] <Kilos> i got it
[08:49] <Kilos> told xchat to use that ctcp sound
[08:52] <kbmonkey> aah okay. man I'm sleepy today, but I just had to watch dexter!
[08:56] <Kilos> lol
[09:14] <Cantide> '<
[09:21] <nlsthzn> Busy looking at the requirements of setting up a LoCo for the UAE again... this definitly feels like eating a elephant :D
[09:23] <Cantide> has anyone experienced missing ibus icons?
[09:29] <marcog> nlsthzn: do you have much support there?
[09:30] <nlsthzn> marcog: there is a group which is actually becoming more and more active here in the UAE but so far they don't seem to be biting on the whole "official" loco thing...
[09:30] <marcog> roughly how many people?
[09:31] <nlsthzn> here is a link to the group and what they have been up to in the last 4-6 months
[09:31] <nlsthzn> http://www.meetup.com/EmiratesLoCo/
[09:32] <nlsthzn> I think getting the group and there activities on the loco's list is a great way to attract more like minded ppl
[09:33] <marcog> so 14 signed-up to attend the installfest
[09:33] <marcog> that's pretty solid
[09:33] <marcog> for a new group
[09:34] <marcog> i think you need to have a word with drubin about the usefullness of being an official loco
[09:34] <nlsthzn> most all are locoted in the same city, Dubai... and there is an older inactive group http://www.meetup.com/uaelug/ with many people from there also helping/attending
[09:35] <nlsthzn> funny thing is I have not been able to attend anything yet as I live to far away :(
[09:35] <nlsthzn> marcog: will try and catch drubin when he is online again
[09:41] <marcog> nlsthzn: i get the feeling this will fall apart quickly if you're the one driving it when you can't attend events
[09:41] <marcog> perhaps leave the others who are attending to drive it their way for now?
[09:41] <marcog> and try get a small group nearby where you are
[09:42] <nlsthzn> well I won't say I am driving anything to be honest... I did provide a "spark" :D just trying to assist as best I can...
[09:42] <marcog> then if that works, then look into forming an official loco
[09:42] <nlsthzn> marcog: ok... will give them this year to make or break and take it from there?
[09:43] <marcog> perhaps, i dunno i just get the gut feeling you might annoy them if they're already resisting becoming an official loco
[09:44] <nlsthzn> true... I must also remember everything here runs on the speed of mud
[09:44] <marcog> haha!
[14:19] <drubin> Reminder about meeing later
[14:19] <drubin> meeting
[14:21] <marcog> drubin: sadly, i will probably miss it again :/
[14:21] <marcog> somehow i always have something else at the time
[14:21] <nlsthzn> I almost forget :)
[14:21] <nlsthzn> forgot
[14:21] <kbmonkey> I finish class at 7 so Ill make it this time drubin
[14:21] <tumbleweed> cocooncrash: care to bump Maaz up to current 0.1?
[14:24] <cocooncrash> Maaz: wb
[14:24] <Maaz> Thank you so much cocooncrash my good good friend
[14:24] <cocooncrash> tumbleweed: Done
[14:24] <tumbleweed> cocooncrash: thanks :)
[14:27] <nlsthzn> I don't seem to be part of ubuntu-za according to launchpad... eh?
[14:49] <nlsthzn> Ah... I am a "pending" member https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-za/+members ... I demand a SHRUBARY!
[14:54] <drubin> nlsthzn: never got email notificationw ill accept later or during the meeting :)
[14:56] <kbmonkey> pad slaan - I'll be back for the meeting
[15:01] <nlsthzn> drubin: thanks :D
[15:17] <nlsthzn> the meeting will be how late tonight btw?
[15:18] <drubin> short i hope
[15:18] <drubin> there is nothing on the agenda
[15:18] <nlsthzn> drubin: lol, time of start?
[15:23] <superfly> 7:30 SAST
[15:25] <nlsthzn> superfly: thanks... had a look on ubuntu-za.org but could not find the info :/
[15:27] <superfly> nlsthzn: it's usually on the mailing list
[15:27] <marcog> drubin: nothing on the agenda? what agenda are you looking at? ;P
[15:28] <nlsthzn> superfly: yup, that is where I saw it a few days ago (but forgot about it there :p) thx again (still, the site would make sense to have the same info)
[15:28] <drubin> nlsthzn: the one in the email
[15:28] <drubin> and there are stuff i hope
[15:29] <nlsthzn> drubin: lol, suspect that was meant for superfly ;)
[15:31] <nuvolari> oh oh! meeting tonight.
[15:31]  * nuvolari pins his earlobe to his laptop
[16:21]  * tumbleweed waves goodby to tenet
[16:29] <drubin> marcog: there is stuff on the agenda for the meeting
[16:29] <drubin> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20110221
[17:17] <Morganvd> howdie all
[17:18] <kbmonkey> hello
[17:18] <arthurrilke> hi there
[17:19] <drubin> hi arthurrilke  welcome
[17:19] <arthurrilke> thanks
[17:24] <drubin> marcog: you joining right?
[17:24] <drubin> mostly because you added stuff to the agenda
[17:24] <drubin> Maaz: list permissions for drubin
[17:24] <Maaz> drubin: What?
[17:25] <drubin> Maaz: help with permissions
[17:25] <Maaz> drubin: I use the following features for bot accounts and permissions: accounts and auth
[17:25] <Maaz> Ask me "how do I use ..." for more details.
[17:25] <drubin> Maaz: how do I use permissions
[17:25] <Maaz> drubin: Please be more specific. I don't know if you mean auth or test
[17:25] <drubin> Maaz: how do I use permissions auth
[17:25] <Maaz> drubin: Adds and removes authentication credentials and permissions. You can use it like this:
[17:25] <Maaz>   authenticate <account> [on source] using <method> [<credential>]
[17:25] <Maaz>   auth <credential>
[17:25] <Maaz>   (grant|revoke|remove) <permission> (to|from|on) <username> [when authed]
[17:25] <Maaz>   permissions [for <username>]
[17:25] <Maaz>   list permissions
[17:25] <drubin> Maaz: list permissions
[17:25] <Maaz> drubin: Permissions: admin, chairmeeting, config, core, debug, eval, factoid, factoidadmin, feeds, karma, karmaadmin, nmap, plugins, recvmemo, regex, saydo, sendmemo, sources and summon
[17:25] <tumbleweed> that's not what you want
[17:25] <tumbleweed> Maaz: permissions
[17:25] <Maaz> tumbleweed: Permissions: chairmeeting and nmap
[17:25] <drubin> Maaz: Announce meeting in 5mins
[17:25] <Maaz> Hear ye, hear ye! meeting in 5mins
[17:26] <tumbleweed> ^ that's what you want
[17:26]  * nlsthzn lurks
[17:26] <drubin> tumbleweed: I have chairmeeting
[17:26] <drubin> Maaz: permissions
[17:26] <Maaz> drubin: Permissions: admin, chairmeeting, factoidadmin, karmaadmin, saydo, sources and soures
[17:26] <drubin>  tumbleweed oops just saw it wasn't listing my permissions :)
[17:28] <drubin> arthurrilke: Hey did you join to lurk around the meeting? Or did you need any or any thing?
[17:28] <arthurrilke> here for the meeting, was I supposed to sign up somewhere first?
[17:29]  * kbmonkey sips tea mmmm
[17:30] <Morganvd> um yeah
[17:30] <Morganvd> should i sign up
[17:31] <drubin> arthurrilke: No not at all :) just wondering if you needed help with any thing
[17:31] <arthurrilke> drubin: i'm quite alright, but thanks for asking:)
[17:31] <drubin> Ok going to give it another 5mins waiting for people, Also I would like something to drink
[17:32] <superfly> ohi
[17:32]  * nlsthzn also has a spot of tea
[17:33] <kbmonkey> ohi superfly
[17:33] <kbmonkey> its an irc tea party
[17:33]  * Banlam prefers coffee
[17:34]  * maiatoday is eating an almond magnum
[17:34] <superfly> wow, for a short-notice meeting, we sure have a number of folks here
[17:34] <drubin> it is ALL miaia
[17:34] <drubin> and Queery
[17:34] <kbmonkey> I'm jealous maiatoday! :)
[17:35] <Queery> hello all
[17:35] <maiatoday> hello Queery
[17:35] <maiatoday> and everybody else of course
[17:35]  * nlsthzn waves
[17:35] <maiatoday> our first meeting for 2011
[17:35] <kbmonkey> hi Queery and nlsthzn
[17:36] <drubin> Maaz: Start meeting
[17:36]  * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
[17:36] <tumbleweed> Maaz: I am Stefano Rivera
[17:36] <Maaz> tumbleweed: Done
[17:36] <superfly> Maaz: I am Raoul Snyman
[17:36] <Maaz> superfly: Sure
[17:36] <maiatoday> Maaz: I am Maia Grotepass
[17:36] <Maaz> maiatoday: Done
[17:36] <drubin> Hi guys agenda for this meeting https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20110221
[17:36] <drubin> Maaz: I am David Rubin
[17:36] <Maaz> drubin: Sure
[17:36] <nlsthzn> Maaz: I am Neil Oosthuizen
[17:36] <Maaz> nlsthzn: Sure
[17:36] <kbmonkey> Maaz: I am Wesley Werner
[17:36] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Okay
[17:36] <Queery> maaz: i am Dewald Noeth
[17:36] <Maaz> Queery: Yessir
[17:36] <arthurrilke> maaz: i am Arthur Rilke
[17:36] <Maaz> arthurrilke: Done
[17:36] <drubin> So any one that feels like telling us who they are is free to tell the bot just like we did
[17:37] <Tonberry> Maaz: i am Hendrik van Wyk
[17:37] <Maaz> Tonberry: Righto
[17:37] <Banlam> maazL I am Gareth Cawood
[17:37] <Banlam> fail
[17:37] <Banlam> maaz: I am Gareth Cawood
[17:37] <Maaz> Banlam: Done
[17:37] <drubin> So basically welcome to any one that hasn't attended an online IRC meeting before
[17:37] <cocooncrash> Maaz: I am Michael Gorven
[17:37] <Maaz> cocooncrash: Okay
[17:37] <kbmonkey> (For those using XChat, you can use the TAB key to auto-complete names :))
[17:38] <drubin> we seem to have lots of new people and some rather old people lurking around so welcome! To the first meeting of the year
[17:38] <Queery> thanx drubin
[17:38] <drubin> Sorry we have been kinda slack about events/meetup/meetings but December is kinda dead time for most people
[17:38] <drubin> marcog: are you around for your agenda points?
[17:39] <Queery> he seems to be away
[17:39] <drubin> either way moving onto point 1: Review previous minutes https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20101213
[17:40]  * nlsthzn sees his name on the minutes and is happy :)
[17:40] <drubin> maiatoday: Do you remember if you mailed the list about open office?
[17:40] <maiatoday> no I didn't
[17:40] <maiatoday> I remember, I didn't
[17:41] <drubin> Ok it would be nice to do something like that soon since schools are actually struggling with the whole MS not renewing their licenses thing
[17:41] <drubin> Maybe it would be cool if we could find some one on the OO/Libre office team to help us write something up?
[17:41] <maiatoday> ok let me take that action point again
[17:41]  * nlsthzn wonders, openoffice or libre office?
[17:42] <tumbleweed> so, I went to a meeting with the western cape school IT support people last month
[17:42] <tumbleweed> they're all pretty afraid of OSS
[17:42] <drubin> tumbleweed: tell us more
[17:42]  * tumbleweed was there with my supervisor, and we were doing a talk on OSS
[17:43] <Tonberry> does their curriculum not require the use of ms office?
[17:43] <drubin> Tonberry: yes but that can be changed.... (theoretically)
[17:43] <tumbleweed> his message was "be careful, OSS doesn't guarantee lower TCO" but also that he supports it and uses it
[17:43] <tumbleweed> there were all sorts of concerns and questions, but basically, I don't see much changing
[17:43] <drubin> since MS is no longer free and the goverment requires that they explore FLOSS they can't make it MS specific any more
[17:44] <Tonberry> oh
[17:44] <tumbleweed> there aren't enough staff, and they loose the good people...
[17:44] <Tonberry> cool
[17:44] <Queery> i like that
[17:44] <drubin> Tonberry: the problem isn't the technical exams.. it is training the teachers to be able to teach FOSS stuff
[17:44] <drubin> training + supporting it
[17:44] <tumbleweed> drubin: yes, but there's obviously significant motivation to stay with the status quo here
[17:44] <Tonberry> ok
[17:45] <nlsthzn> ppl fear change :/
[17:45] <drubin> tumbleweed: true, doesn't mean we shouldn't try
[17:45] <Tonberry> but it would mean that all the schools have to change and not just some of them?
[17:45] <drubin> Tonberry: Most of the stuff can be done in OO provided they alter the wording/marking sheet SLIGHTLY
[17:45] <tumbleweed> quite simply, switching major packages would require re-training, which iwon't be cheap
[17:45] <kbmonkey> I propose we investigate current LO issues first, I heard there were a couple major stability issues
[17:46] <tumbleweed> but yes, nothing will happen unless someone pushes them
[17:46] <drubin> kbmonkey: stability isn't their major concern as tumbly pointed out it is the proccess/traning/money
[17:46] <Tonberry> code can be fixed
[17:46] <tumbleweed> and the concern that "this isn't whaht th industry uses"
[17:47] <kbmonkey> so getting them to adopt OSS is the hurdle
[17:47] <nlsthzn> any plan for change will have to be long term
[17:47] <Banlam> are schools really concerned about what the industry uses?
[17:47] <drubin> tumbleweed: I guess that is why they are pushing delphi in schools right?
[17:47] <Queery> I think most of the staff knows the old ms office and OOO is very much like it, that might help get them to move over to it
[17:47] <tumbleweed> Banlam: yes, schools in general are very concious of industry
[17:47] <Tonberry> haha @ delphi
[17:47] <drubin> Banlam: Yes they are "training students to become competent in the work place"
[17:47] <Banlam> ok, they never really relayed that to us when i was in school :P
[17:47] <Tonberry> i thought they were on java these days
[17:47] <drubin> tumbleweed: I think education department more then schools
[17:48] <drubin> Banlam: "trying" doesn't mean they are good at it :(
[17:48] <Banlam> tonberry, lots of private/ieb schools are on delphi
[17:48] <tumbleweed> drubin: I took industry more seriously when I was in school than I do now
[17:48] <Tonberry> poor things
[17:48] <drubin> I don't think us debating this in this channel right now is going to solve stuff though...
[17:48] <tumbleweed> I think some good case studies would be a start
[17:49] <tumbleweed> people pushing their own children's schools to experiment...
[17:49] <drubin> tumbleweed: True but where/who/how do we go about that
[17:49] <Queery> i agree
[17:49] <drubin> Any one have any thing more on this or can we move on?
[17:49] <tumbleweed> no, lets move on
[17:50] <drubin> I am going to move stuff around slightly because my point effects the events for 2011
[17:50] <drubin> Maaz: Topic Loco-Contact replacement
[17:50] <Maaz> Current Topic: Loco-Contact replacement
[17:50] <drubin> So basically over the last few months I have not been doing enough.
[17:51] <drubin> maiatoday has honestly been helping me far far beyond what is required and been the driving force behind ubuntu-za (un officially)
[17:52] <drubin> the problem is over the last 2 or so months maiatoday has had other more important things to be doing so has helped see so, and it started to show how little I am doing for ubuntu-za
[17:52] <maiatoday> drubin is there a reference somewhere where one can see what a loco contact typically does?
[17:52] <drubin> not that I was ever trying to hide it from any one, It just worked out that I did offical paper work stuffs and maia did an amazing job at events
[17:52] <Queery> what is the official structure of the loco team
[17:53] <nlsthzn> understandable, this is all above and beyond stuff...
[17:53] <drubin> Queery: We don't have one (and I don't think we should)
[17:53] <tumbleweed> the loco contacts are the point of contact between the loco council and us (as I understand it), and that's about it
[17:53] <maiatoday> if we have a list of things we want to do then maybe we can delegate some tasks which would help
[17:53] <drubin> but the reason I am brining it is, is I have no problem continuing to do what I have been doing for the last almost 3 years BUT I do feel that some one with fresh blood and more motivation can do more for ubuntu-za then I can at the momment
[17:53] <maiatoday> well then drubin is doing a great job because he is our contact
[17:54] <drubin> tumbleweed: yes, but we ubuntu-za take loco-contact as being the "TeamLeader" and "Driving force"
[17:54] <kbmonkey> pointing out there is a generalized LoCo Howto at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamHowto
[17:54]  * nlsthzn thinks delegation is the name of the team game
[17:54] <maiatoday> but it is always a good idea to step away before you fall down dead :)
[17:54] <drubin> because every one ha always asked me "can I do this" which is kinda not the way things should work IMHO
[17:54]  * tumbleweed would happily serve as a contact, for the paperwork side, but I don't have the time/energy left to be a decent leader / driving force
[17:54] <drubin> maiatoday: Hence brining it up
[17:55] <drubin> tumbleweed: that can work if we can find some one to handle the other side of things
[17:55] <drubin> this kinda the way maiatoday and I did things
[17:55] <maiatoday> tumbleweed: I am planning to continue to do whatever I dream up to do, but I will have sparser time slots this year
[17:55] <maiatoday> so whoever becomes the contact will have my support
[17:55] <kbmonkey> so delegating tasks out to more people, making lighter work for everyone
[17:56] <Queery> i am more than willing to halp with organising events
[17:56] <drubin> tumbleweed: And mine.
[17:56] <tumbleweed> Queery: awesome!
[17:56] <drubin> but I just think the offical title needs to be moved on to some one else
[17:56] <tumbleweed> kbmonkey: th problem is one can't delegate to volunteers, somebody has to stand up
[17:56] <tumbleweed> err to unnamed volunteers
[17:56] <drubin> kbmonkey: Deligation does NOT work in this type of setup
[17:56] <drubin> it never has..
[17:56] <drubin> people need to just do stuff
[17:56] <drubin> :(
[17:56] <kbmonkey> as of this month I have fixed net access, want to help again :)
[17:56] <tumbleweed> we call it a do-ocracy
[17:57] <drubin> that is why I became contact because I kinda wanted to do stuff so did it, then maia came about and did amazingly awesome stuff with stellenbosch and she did stuff
[17:57]  * nlsthzn finds doing stuff when not knowing what stuff needs done can be... troublesome
[17:57] <drubin> any how I have never really cared for the title thing, I just owe it to ubuntu-za to mention this.
[17:57] <tumbleweed> nlsthzn: there's nothing that needs to be done really
[17:58] <tumbleweed> we just want to do as much as we can :)
[17:58] <drubin> I had planned on writing up the wiki page of stuff I do, but my net access was kinda flaky
[17:58]  * maiatoday doesn't know what needs to be done either :)
[17:58] <Queery> i think that we need atleast oe rep per region
[17:58] <nlsthzn> cool, at least I am on the same page as you guys then :p
[17:58] <drubin> maiatoday: I think we need more of what you did last year (but by every one around the country) more in person meetings/events
[17:58] <maiatoday> I agree
[17:59] <drubin> honestly the paper work/team reports/ML is nothing and takes 2mins
[17:59] <Queery> agee
[17:59] <maiatoday> and it's fun and easy too
[17:59] <kbmonkey> I like that idea
[17:59] <drubin> maiatoday: but requires motivation
[17:59]  * nlsthzn thinks drubin is fine as the guy with the title
[17:59] <drubin> kbmonkey: You do *not* need to be loco contact to do any of those things
[17:59] <Queery> can we set up a list of things we need/want to do
[18:00] <drubin> the problem I have with finding a new person is that almost all people that want to do it are people that haven't done it before
[18:00] <tumbleweed> Queery: that's a good chuck of what these meetings are about
[18:00] <tumbleweed> chunk
[18:00] <kbmonkey> Okay drubin
[18:00] <superfly> drubin: so are we proposing that maiatoday or tumbleweed become team contact(s)?
[18:00] <drubin> not that experience is the issue the issue is driving motivation
[18:00] <tumbleweed> superfly: I'd like to see somebody newer stand up
[18:00] <maiatoday> which is why Queery is a good candidate
[18:00] <drubin> ie the "get up and do atitude"
[18:00] <Queery> ubuntu hour and release parties are the main events at the moment
[18:01] <kbmonkey> drubin, I'd like to nominate myself, but also propose we nominate at least two
[18:01] <drubin> kbmonkey, nlsthzn not that I think you wouldn't make a good candidate that isn't what I am saying.
[18:01] <Queery> and i am more than willing
[18:01] <kbmonkey> the Ubuntu wiki mentions "at least one"
[18:01] <drubin> I am saying that having a title changes nothing
[18:01] <maiatoday> I think it is good if there is more than one person
[18:01] <tumbleweed> however, if having a title gives someone motivation, then awesome :)
[18:01] <drubin> you need to continue to do what you have already been doing
[18:02]  * nlsthzn is to far away... but will always help if possible, when and where
[18:02] <Banlam> will people not feel more obliged to do things with a title? although i agree this isn't the best way to look at i
[18:02] <Queery> maiatoday: per region?
[18:02]  * drubin is uses the term "we" to be whole ubuntu-za
[18:02] <drubin> s/we/you
[18:02] <kbmonkey> I think team contacts communicating between another often is good motivation
[18:03] <superfly> so we have two nominations?
[18:03] <superfly> (or nominees)
[18:03]  * superfly has a few other things to do this evening and is hoping the meeting will roll quickly
[18:04] <Queery> i nominate maia and myself for stellenbosch/ct
[18:04]  * Kerbero nominate queery too :P
[18:04] <Tonberry> s
[18:04] <kbmonkey> And myself for Durban
[18:04] <Queery> or at least ct
[18:04] <drubin> Banlam: I have been contact since 2009 it is time to get rid of the old people
[18:05] <drubin> we do need single contact for the loco-council though
[18:05] <Banlam> that was aimed at me because?
[18:05] <drubin> Banlam: can't remember ;/ oops
[18:05] <Banlam> :P
[18:05] <drubin> Banlam: I think I started typing something else
[18:05] <Kerbero> lets nominate banlam
[18:05] <superfly> maiatoday: for loco-council contact?
[18:05] <Banlam> i respectfully decline
[18:05] <maiatoday> hang on, are we looking for contact or more people to do stuff
[18:06]  * nlsthzn thinks the wider loco should be included via mailing list maybe?
[18:06] <maiatoday> I don't have time for the admin role, but I am not intending to stop organising whatever I want to organise :)
[18:06] <Queery> same here
[18:06] <kbmonkey> is local council contact diff than team contact?
[18:06] <Queery> does the loco contact need to be ubuntu member?
[18:07] <nlsthzn> nope
[18:07] <nlsthzn> but must have signed the code of conduct etc
[18:07] <drubin> Sorry should have been more clear this meeting is NOT to decide who to replace me
[18:07] <drubin> but rather how we should go about it
[18:07] <drubin> nlsthzn is completely right we aren't going to pick any one now.
[18:08] <superfly> drubin: oh, nominations and then elections at the next meeting?
[18:08] <drubin> nlsthzn: and should preferably be an ubuntumember OR working towards it
[18:08] <Queery> that should happen on the mailing list
[18:08] <drubin> superfly: IMHO elections are pointless
[18:08] <drubin> we give every one in ubuntu-za (ie the mailing list) a chance to vote and most of them either don't care or they don't have a clue who does stuff around here
[18:09] <tumbleweed> however, I'd like to see some new blood helping to organise things
[18:09] <kbmonkey> instead of elections, lets nominate ourselves, try set up some system, and see how it works
[18:09] <Queery> but you give them the choice
[18:10] <maiatoday> We do want to give someone who is keen but hesitant a chance to jump in and help too
[18:10] <drubin> maiatoday: with out a doubt
[18:10] <drubin> but that is the problem with voting..... would those people get voted in?
[18:11] <maiatoday> so I propose that people elect themselves and then the smaller group of self elected people figure out what to do next
[18:11] <drubin> Either way I will continue to do my useless thing and deal with the ML's / website / ubuntu hours / Ubuntu release parties
[18:11] <Queery> the discussion and nominations can happen on the mailing list and voting on the irc
[18:11] <drubin> but I do think that by after this release party we should kick me out :)
[18:11] <maiatoday> not useless drubin, you are too modest
[18:12] <Queery> agree
[18:12] <nlsthzn> ubuntu-za rocks and so too all that make it happen
[18:12] <drubin> it really isn't that must work
[18:12] <drubin> much*
[18:12] <kbmonkey> Yes if you feel to bring in new people drubin I agree, it would help others learn the proces too!
[18:12] <drubin> any how think we should can this this "quick" meeting has gone on for 1:15mins :)
[18:13] <drubin> kbmonkey: I have NO intention of just disapearing just don't want to be offical any more
[18:13] <maiatoday> ok so do we send a call for self-election out on the ML as an action, and move on?
[18:13] <Tonberry> and we haven't even gotten to the bashing SU studnets part....
[18:13] <drubin> Maaz: Agreed drubin will post to the ML about self nominations
[18:13] <Maaz> Agreed: drubin will post to the ML about self nominations
[18:13] <Queery> second maiatoday
[18:13] <kbmonkey> I thought so :)
[18:13] <drubin> Tonberry: ?
[18:14] <drubin> what did I miss
[18:14] <Tonberry> UCT LEG stand got >100 sign-ups, mostly beginners. How about Stellies? Can we do anything for these beginners that's more technical than a release party?
[18:14] <Tonberry> that part
[18:14] <drubin> Tonberry: margo wasn't here and no one really knew what else to say
[18:14] <Tonberry> ah
[18:14] <Tonberry> k
[18:14] <drubin> Tonberry: you can speak for stellies if you want? :)
[18:14] <Banlam> what happened when Kerbero handed out the ubuntu discs to all the first year BSC people?
[18:14] <drubin> wow stellies has a big turn out in here
[18:14] <Banlam> was there any follow up?
[18:14] <Kerbero> already did
[18:15] <Tonberry> i wont have anything good to say....
[18:15] <Banlam> or feedback?
[18:15] <Kerbero> about 100 of them
[18:15] <Kerbero> herad nothing yet
[18:15] <Kerbero> will go and ask osmetime
[18:15] <Banlam> ok
[18:15]  * maiatoday hopes they aren't using them as beer coasters
[18:15] <drubin> Maaz: agreeed Kerbero to find out about this mass ubuntu CD hand out
[18:15] <Maaz> drubin: Excuse me?
[18:15] <Queery> stellies is in a rut, ill try to get them out
[18:15] <drubin> Maaz: agreed Kerbero to find out about this mass ubuntu CD hand out
[18:15] <Maaz> Agreed: Kerbero to find out about this mass ubuntu CD hand out
[18:15] <Tonberry> the server edition cds make great beer coasters....
[18:15] <Kerbero> hehe ja
[18:15] <drubin> Queery: No actually stellies is doing the most events/stuff out of the whole country
[18:15] <Kerbero> dis crap om met so baie van hulle te sit
[18:16] <Queery> agree
[18:16] <Tonberry> but few of the ones participating are students
[18:16]  * nlsthzn wants some to be shipped to the UAE ;)
[18:16] <drubin> nlsthzn kbmonkey: The location thing *really* is kinda helps btw
[18:16] <drubin> we do need more people around SA
[18:16] <Queery> stellies it self is just attending ubuntu-za events
[18:16] <drubin> Any one else have any thing to say?
[18:16] <Kerbero> my dvorak fail
 wie gaan die volgende sulug beer evening reel?
[18:17] <Kerbero> baie valid vraag
[18:17] <Banlam> lol
[18:17] <Tonberry> sulug!=ubuntu-za
[18:17] <Banlam> i think that's specific top stellenbosch
[18:17] <Kerbero> so?
[18:17] <Banlam> yeah
[18:17] <Kerbero> ons run basies sulug
[18:17] <Banlam> and not really for discussion here
[18:17]  * Kerbero gaan slaap maar weer
[18:17] <drubin> every single person that comes bar gareth is an ubuntu user
[18:18] <Queery> agree
[18:18] <drubin> Maaz: End meeting
[18:18] <Maaz> Meeting Ended
[18:18] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2011-02-21-17-36-01.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2011-02-21-17-36-01.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2011-02-21-17-36-01.html
[18:18] <Banlam> other gareth*
[18:18] <drubin> Banlam: They didn't know it was you
[18:18] <Banlam> :P
[18:18] <drubin> that I was refering to you
[18:18] <Tonberry> they do now
[18:18] <drubin> which I wasn't
[18:18] <Banlam> no
[18:18] <Banlam> but i am the only gareth mentioned here
[18:18] <Queery> hehe
[18:18] <nlsthzn> wow... that ended... suddenly :p
[18:18] <drubin> blah meeting minutes on the wiki then shower
[18:18] <drubin> Banlam: if I was talking about you I would have said Banlam
[18:18] <Banlam> fair enough :)
[18:18] <kbmonkey> that flew by
[18:18] <Kerbero> you could have said garson
[18:19] <drubin> nlsthzn: sorry asked if any one wanted to say any thing else and people started drifting :) so assumed no one had any thing else
[18:19] <drubin> we an discuss any thing else now thoug?
[18:19] <maiatoday> well we can still organise a party with the table cloth and the banner some day
[18:19] <kbmonkey> No I had nothing to add atm :0
[18:19] <Kerbero> die cds...
[18:19] <drubin> Kerbero: maar niemaand weet wie garson is nie
[18:19] <nlsthzn> oh lol... am following severed fifth on irc too so struggled to keep track on both
[18:19] <Kerbero> hoeko kry ons so bai eserver en so min desktop?
[18:19] <drubin> maiatoday: Release party
[18:19] <maiatoday> did the table cloth and the banner go to ct
[18:19] <maiatoday> ok
[18:19] <drubin> maiatoday: Yes marcog has them and is looking after them
[18:19] <Queery> sfd can use the table cloth
[18:20] <maiatoday> and will we have a global jam event?
[18:20] <nlsthzn> btw, jono and severed fifth is making an appeal, they need another $2000 dollars to finish the new album please assist if you can http://www.severedfifth.com/pay/  kthxbai
[18:20] <maiatoday> shall I mail the ML reminding about the Developer Week?
[18:20] <Queery> yes please
[18:20] <maiatoday> I guess those are all marcog's agenda points
[18:21] <tumbleweed> people better comte to my UDW talk :P
[18:21] <Banlam> UDW?
[18:21] <tumbleweed> developer week
[18:21] <kbmonkey> been a fan of severed fifth a while, and only made the link a year later :)
[18:21] <drubin> maiatoday: Sure
[18:21] <Banlam> link?
[18:21] <drubin> tumbleweed: wait are you going this year?
[18:21] <kbmonkey> UDW yay!
[18:22] <drubin> or just doing it remotely
[18:22] <drubin> never mind UDW != UDS
[18:22] <nlsthzn> kbmonkey: apparently the studio recordings going awesome
[18:22] <tumbleweed> drubin: I can apply...
[18:24]  * Banlam bids the people of freenode adieu
[18:25] <Kerbero> tatta ban
[18:26] <kbmonkey> good turnout for the first irc meet!
[18:28] <drubin> kbmonkey: Ye it was
[18:28] <drubin> our channel also has a decent turn out we normaly idle on like 35
[18:29] <froztbyte> drubin: bots are people too!
[18:30]  * nlsthzn like Maazkwaai
[18:30]  * nlsthzn like Maaz kwaai
[18:31] <maiatoday> drubin, I want to mail the ML about the Open Office thing, but I don't really have all the facts
[18:31] <maiatoday> also drubin, shall I do the minutes for you?
[18:31] <drubin> maiatoday: it is fine we need to figure out what we intent doing about it
[18:31] <drubin> maiatoday: nah already doing it
[18:31] <maiatoday> okedoke
[18:33] <arthurrilke> cheers all
[18:35] <Queery> ok bye!
[18:35] <maiatoday> bye Queery
[19:05]  * kbmonkey is speechless after a long monday :)
[19:10] <nlsthzn> night all
[19:16] <kbmonkey> nite
[20:32] <marcog> drubin: sorry, i said earlier i wasn't gonna be around :(
[20:32]  * marcog will read minutes
[20:32] <drubin> marcog: I didn't get your answer
[20:32] <marcog> about?
[20:34] <drubin> that you weren't going to be here
[20:34] <marcog> ah
[20:35]  * marcog really wants to be involved in the meetings but things magically always seem to crop up
[20:38] <marcog> drubin: btw, they reverted the delphi decision and chose to keep status quo
[20:38] <superfly> marcog: which is Java?
[20:38] <drubin> marcog: blah doesn't matter
[20:38] <drubin> my point was that they were wanting to do things like that
[20:38] <marcog> superfly: for 4 of 9 provinces, yes
[20:38] <marcog> drubin: i understand, just thought i'd point it out
[20:39] <drubin> marcog: :)
[20:48] <marcog> drubin: finally got through that
[20:48] <marcog> no plan for release part or global jam?
[20:48] <marcog> they're not far away
[20:50] <drubin> Why me?
[20:50] <marcog> you chaired the meeting :P
[20:51] <drubin> marcog: No plans yet


[00:00] <noidea> how to i export files i "find"
[00:00] <noidea> to a file... sorry for that multiple lines
[00:01] <noidea> oh sorry, and every find is printer on a new line
[18:04] <hhee> guys, hi. how ca i check which directory take the place on my hdd?
[18:05] <hhee> can*
[18:07] <devster31> what do you mean?
[18:07] <hhee> devster31: size of folders across all file system
[18:07] <hhee> not one folder, but all of them
[18:12] <lordievader> hhee: du?
[18:14] <teward> hhee: du.   or du -h   (for human readable size values)
[18:14] <Seveas> hhee: if you have a gui on there: baobab
[18:43] <devster31> hhee ncdu if you want has a ncurses interface
[18:43] <devster31> quite easy to use
[18:45] <Seveas> devster31: ooh, TIL. Thanks!
[19:03] <hhee> devster31:  lordievader: teward: Seveas: tnx guys
[19:15] <devster31> how can I see under which group a process is run?
[19:19] <Seveas> devster31: cat /proc/$pid/status
[19:19] <devster31> thanks
[19:19] <Seveas> see man proc for details
[19:32] <devster31> what can I use to set umask for a user using a single line command?
[19:32] <Seveas> umask isn't a property of a user. It's a property of a session.
[19:35] <devster31> oh, so I could (umask 002 && cmd)?
[19:37] <Seveas> sure
[19:43] <CiPi>  kernel   = 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Aug 19 22:33:18 UTC 2009 GNU/Linux
[19:43] <CiPi>  distrib  = 5.0.9
[19:43] <CiPi>  uptime   = 22:37:22 up 1713 days,  3:43,  0 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
[20:08] <bekks> CiPi: Please pull the network cable :)
[20:10] <Seveas> CiPi: that server is by now so vulnerable, the only appropriate description for it is 'liability'.
[20:53] <Patrickdk> Seveas, not likely, depends on if it has external access