[01:18] <maxb> Just upgraded to Trusty, Shift+Ctrl+T, the keyboard shortcut for new tab in gnome-terminal and terminator doesn't seem to work
[01:19] <maxb> Does anyone know if there's some element of the desktop environment which would be intercepting that?
[01:23] <Fudge> is it assigned in unity control center keyboard shortcuts
[01:24] <maxb> Unity control center?
[01:28] <Beldar> maxb, If you click on the desktop, does it still not work.
[01:29] <Beldar> it's ctrl-alt-t
[01:29] <maxb> No, I don't want to launch a new terminal window, I want to create a new tab within an existing one
[01:30] <Beldar> ah, never used that command not familiar
[01:30] <Beldar> my mistake
[01:34] <maxb> How odd, it works just fine in a new user account. Perhaps it's time to have a clearout of dotfiles in my homedir
[01:39] <Nothing_Much> Why isn't the update manager showing up daily?
[01:40] <Nothing_Much> Hello?
[01:40] <Beldar> Nothing_Much, depends on how you have it set
[01:40] <Nothing_Much> Beldar: It's set up for daily!
[01:40] <Nothing_Much> I have updates and everything set to immediately too!
[01:41] <Beldar> Nothing_Much, I believe it only shows on security issues otherwise you have to run it.
[01:41] <Nothing_Much> what?
[01:41] <Nothing_Much> dude it's just not giving me any notifications for updates
[01:42] <Beldar> Nothing_Much, It has not exspect for security updates for awhile dude.
[01:42] <Nothing_Much> It's NOT just security updates
[01:43] <Nothing_Much> It's any upgrades dude
[01:43] <Beldar> Nothing_Much, It has not prompted for any more than security since I think about 10.04
[01:43] <Nothing_Much> Dude
[01:43] <Nothing_Much> Not just security
[01:44] <Nothing_Much> It's ANY upgrade
[01:44] <Nothing_Much> Like say
[01:44] <Nothing_Much> Uh
[01:44] <Nothing_Much> A new version of Gimp
[01:44] <Nothing_Much> Hypothetically speaking, a new gimp upgrade came out
[01:44] <Beldar> welcome to ignore, you are far from any respectful communication
[01:44] <Nothing_Much> And my updates don't show up after a week-
[01:44] <Nothing_Much> I'm sorry for.. wait what?
[01:44] <Nothing_Much> Well pardon me for asking for help. :/
[01:45] <Nothing_Much> Sheesh, so can anybody else explain to me why the software updater isn't showing up on a daily basis?
[01:56] <Nothing_Much> Can anybody explain to me why the software sources won't show up on a daily basis? In fact, it hasn't prompted me any updates for months.
[02:18] <Jordan_U> Nothing_Much: You should expect bugs in a development version of Ubuntu, and if you encounter a bug the first thing you should do is confirm that you're running the most up to date packages, as fixes are made every day.
[02:19] <Nothing_Much> That makes sense..
[02:19] <Nothing_Much> Apologies
[03:29] <sgo11> hi, I heard unity 8 is in trusty and is super fast. is that faster than lxde? any opinions? thanks.
[03:38] <sgo11> by googling, It seems unity 7 will be in trusty be default. anyway, I think I will install lubuntu then. unity 7 is too slow.
[03:46] <Beldar> sgo11, From the web it looks to a doable setup, but it puts you into PPA's
[03:52] <sgo11> Beldar, :) with trusty, I think I don't need to add PPA. but I have to compile and build unity8 from source. that is ugly. I don't want to do that. maybe I should continue to use lxde for now. :) thanks.
[04:00] <Beldar> no prob, best of luck. ;)
[04:10] <sgo11> Beldar, just saw the reply. thanks. ^_^
[08:56] <sgo11> hi, my laptop has two graphic cards. one is built-in intel and another one is nvidia graphic card. "Additional Drivers" can not find any drivers for me. what should I do in this case? nvidia-prime? thanks.
[09:23] <sgo11> hi, I installed daily iso build lubuntu. nothing really can be launched. Everything got segmentation fault. google-chrome, firefox, obconf etc... Do anyone have any ideas? thanks.
[09:27] <soee> sgo11: @first question
[09:27] <soee> if you install: nvidia-331 it will install alsi prime
[09:27] <soee> *also
[09:28] <soee> works fine for me @ my Dell
[09:29] <soee> also in 30 minutes Metro Last Light will finish downloading and ill test it :)
[09:29] <sgo11> soee, thanks a lot. I will try that. it seems my second problem is more serious. before running "apt-get upgrade", all got segfault. but if I click "relaunch" button in popup. firefox and google-chrome can be launched successfully. The first launch is always segfault. After "apt-get upgrade", nothing can be launched. always segfault.
[09:32] <sgo11> soee, @firstquestion, do I need to install linux-header manually? when I try "sudo apt-get install nvidia-331", the linux-header is not in the list. thanks.
[09:33] <sgo11> sorry, I tried dpkg -l, the header is installed by default.
[09:34] <sgo11> hopefully, the nvidia driver can fix the all programs segfault problem.
[09:41] <soee> sgo11:  i dont have such problems with segfaults
[09:41] <soee> also im running kubuntu here
[09:41] <soee> firefox works super :)
[09:41] <soee> and there was finally update to 28 beta
[09:50] <sgo11> I am using lubuntu. download and install the latest iso today. no idea what's going on. I am doing "apt-get dist-upgrade" now. it seems there is a new kernel 3.13.0-13 instead of -12. weird problems.
[09:51] <sgo11> btw, installing nvidia driver does not solve segfault problems to firefox and google-chrome.
[09:52] <sgo11> apport failed to report bugs and complaining my packages are obsolete. that's why I am doing dist-upgrade.
[09:52] <sgo11> segfault errors just don't make any sense to me. the first time in ubuntu can not even run a browser.
[09:53] <Kamilion> i386 or amd64?
[09:53] <sgo11> btw, after segfault, chrome gave a popup window and then click "relaunch" can launch chrome successfully.
[09:53] <sgo11> Kamilion, amd64.
[09:54] <Kamilion> i'm running a distupgrade from a fresh amd64 lubuntu in vmware right now
[09:55] <Kamilion> i too am seeing firefox coredump
[09:55] <sgo11> mine is fresh too and doing the same distupgrade. hopefully, problem can get fixed.
[09:55] <sgo11> Kamilion, cool. I am not alone anymore.
[09:56] <Kamilion> amd 1100t, 16GB, vmware 10, amd 5670 card
[09:57] <sgo11> mine is not vmware. I am using a laptop. nvidia driver and intel i3.
[10:01] <sgo11> Kamilion, completed the dist-upgrade. same segfault to all browsers.
[10:01] <Kamilion> chromium runs for me
[10:02] <sgo11> Kamilion, I am using chrome. let me try to install chromium.
[10:02] <Kamilion> youtube works
[10:10] <sgo11> Kamilion, chromium-browser does work. are there any existing bugs for this segfault issue?
[10:10] <Kamilion> dunno, new here too.
[10:12] <sgo11> are there ubuntu developers? firefox and google-chrome failed to run in latest trusty release. all got segfault.
[10:12] <sgo11> sorry, I mean lubuntu trusty.
[10:13] <Kamilion> The lubuntu desktop background reminds me of a crt with poorly sheilded speakers
[11:44] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[14:07] <sgo11> hi, in latest lubuntu build, firefox and google-chrome can not be run with segmentation fault. chromium-browser can be run. any ideas? thanks.
[14:10] <Wnt> sgo11: have you tried updating?
[14:10] <Wnt> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[14:13] <sgo11> Wnt, I did that. the same error.
[15:36] <sgo11> there is no .gnome2 and .gnome2_private in lubuntu. is this normal?
[15:37] <sgo11> anyway, i don't think that is the cause of segfault to many programs.
[15:41] <meomic> hey, im trying to upgrade to 14.04 from 13.10 (using sudo upgrade-manager -d) and i am getting this error 'could not calculate upgrade' - is there a way to overcome this?
[15:45] <meomic> tyring to upgrade using 14.04 daily build iso's would do any difference?
[15:48] <sgo11> hm.. sudo google-chrome and sudo firefox, both works fine. permission problems? global env variable problems?
[15:52] <Wnt> meomic: I updated (or at least tried updating) my old ubuntu using the live cd. I chose the upgrade option after selecting install ubuntu from the live cd environment
[15:54] <Wnt> after the upgrade was complete I rebooted and my grub was broken, it gave an error "error: symbol 'grub_term_highlight_color' not found."
[15:54] <Wnt> so I fixed that by chrooting to my installatin from the live environment, updating all packages and re-installing grub in the chroot
[15:55] <meomic> oke, im gonna give it a shot
[15:55] <Wnt> after that I was able to boot to the upgraded ubuntu, but there was something wrong with my package dependecies, e.g. could not install libc6:i386
[15:56] <Wnt> so to get a fully working system, I just wiped the old installation and restored the files I need from a backup I made before starting the upgrade process
[15:57] <sgo11> can anyone help please? latest lubuntu trusty. both firefox and google-chrome will not run with segfault. but sudo them will run. any ideas? thanks.
[15:57] <Wnt> I really recommend doing a backup of your lis of currently installed packeges, home directory and etc directory
[15:57] <meomic> heh, yea im gonna do backups also, but still ive been on 13.10 beta and had no problem during upgrade from 13.04  now i wanna go to 14.04 because next thing with support for my notebook is fixed there
[15:58] <meomic> thats why i want to go pre-released ubuntu
[15:59] <Wnt> the upgrade path instead of full re-install would have been really nice if it would just have worked :)
[17:09] <abhirup> hi
[17:10] <abhirup> what are the best features of ubuntu 14.04?
[17:14] <abhirup> whats the best feature of 14.04?
[17:15] <OerHeks> No big changes, it will be a LTS https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes
[17:16] <abhirup> ok......can i add my facebook photos to any of my photo manager in ubuntu??m in new in ubuntu....and i want to learn everything......
[17:17] <OerHeks> standard shotwell can upload to facebook and more
[17:17] <OerHeks> but there are other programs too, i don't know as i do not want facebook
[17:18] <abhirup> ok...can i install adobe dreamweaver on ubuntu?
[17:18] <OerHeks> No.
[17:18] <OerHeks> maybe in the feature, when wine can
[17:18] <abhirup> so any replacement ?
[17:20] <OerHeks> Not that i know off, flash has no future, with html5
[17:22] <abhirup> ok.......if i want to develop apps for ubuntu.....so whats the best language to do it??python???
[17:22] <abhirup> can i use html?
[17:26] <jtaylor> whatever you like
[17:26] <SuperLag> :/
[17:27] <OerHeks> There is no single best, as far as i understand Linux in general
[17:27] <SuperLag> agreed
[17:27] <OerHeks> You have the freedom to choose and the tools are free.
[17:29] <abhirup> ok than you.......can u plz suggest me some cool  things to customize my ubuntu 13.10
[17:29] <OerHeks> err 13.10 is supported in the other channel
[18:44] <antagomir> just installed ubuntu 14.04 on HP Folio Elitebook. According to screen texts the installation was successful. When I reboot, I get the text that tells I should install operating system (although I thought I just installed it already). Any tips what might go wrong?
[18:44] <Jordan_U> antagomir: Is this a BIOS based or UEFI based machine?
[18:45] <antagomir> BIOS i think
[18:46] <antagomir> yash069 suggested i may not have installed grub since i did not change boot order
[18:46] <antagomir> could that be the issue and how to change
[18:47] <Jordan_U> antagomir: No, that doesn't make sense.
[18:47] <antagomir> ok
[18:48] <Jordan_U> antagomir: It looks like that machine likely does use UEFI.
[18:48] <antagomir> the installation went very smoothly until the happy ending, but then at reboot I seem to have no OS
[18:49] <antagomir> ok, how I can check if it is BIOS or UEFI.
[18:49] <Jordan_U> antagomir: Please boot from the Ubuntu USB again, run boot info script, and pastebin the RESULTS.txt it produces.
[18:51] <antagomir> ok, thanks. I only have this single laptop which is now in Try ubuntu mode, so this has to wait until tomorrow so that i have access to another computer
[18:52] <antagomir> but i can now give a try, just not able to copypaste
[18:52] <antagomir> or pastebin
[19:05] <antagomir> Jordan_U: i did not find option for boot info script when booting from my USB-DVD device but I have this text briefly blinking on the screen when I boot: Could not open "EFI/BOOT/fallback.efi": 14
[19:08] <antagomir> now reading followups on this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/402256/boot-with-ubuntu-livecd-gives-an-error-message-before-proceeding-to-a-grub-style
[19:12] <Jordan_U> !bootinfo | antagomir
[19:13] <Jordan_U> antagomir: Sorry, I meant to send that factoid earlier.
[19:13] <antagomir> it seems i can choose to use EFI mode or not since i wont have any other OSs installed. Any tips which one I should go for: EFI or not
[19:14] <Jordan_U> antagomir: Try getting UEFI mode to work first.
[19:14] <antagomir> OK, any brief motivation why that option
[19:14] <antagomir> tnx for bootinfo, I will have a loook
[19:16] <antagomir> this bootinfo seems to require I run it from my Ubuntu hard drive installation. But I never get there so I cant really run it
[19:16] <Jordan_U> antagomir: It will run fine from a LiveDVD/USB.
[19:20] <antagomir> ok
[19:24] <antagomir> Jordan_U ok pastebin here http://pastebin.com/KtSqwUZG
[19:27] <antagomir> now wondering if I should try Boot-Repair https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[19:36] <Jordan_U> antagomir: Could you also please pastebin the output of "sudo efibootmgr"?
[19:40] <Jordan_U> antagomir: It seems like your firmware may be configured to boot external media via UEFI and internal via BIOS for some reason.
[19:41] <antagomir> sure here we go http://pastebin.com/GpWEHnPm
[19:41] <antagomir> i just started to come to the same conclusion after reading this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI#Installing_Ubuntu_in_EFI_mode
[19:42] <antagomir> i can soon reboot and try to fix the bios settings (or are they called efi settings then)
[19:42] <antagomir> i probably need to reinstall ubuntu after that, or might it work if i just change booting to EFI as i already isntalled the system
[19:46] <antagomir> well i will reboot now and see how to change system settings
[19:47] <ggreer> I managed to set up UEFI and even secureboot. dual-booting with secureboot enabled didn't work though
[19:47] <ggreer> I could start ubuntu but not windows 8.1
[19:48] <antagomir> ok
[20:01] <antagomir> Jordan_U im back
[20:01] <antagomir> this time from my installed 14.04 so there is progress
[20:01] <ggreer> :)
[20:01] <Jordan_U> antagomir: What allowed you to boot it
[20:01] <antagomir> this time i got here from bios menu F9 (bios settings) by manually selecting the EFI
[20:02] <antagomir> but was not yet able to save settings in F10 (system settings) such that this would happen automatically
[20:03] <antagomir> there i seem to have EFI Hybrid on: i also tried EFI Native but that does not work either
[20:04] <antagomir> now just wondering where to make changes so that the startup knows to use this EFI file that I am able to select manually through F9 settings
[20:05] <Jordan_U> antagomir: Please pastebin the output of "sudo efibootmgr".
[20:05] <BluesKaj> antagomir, dual boot?
[20:08] <antagomir> Jordan_U: http://pastebin.com/4CBXJT5Y
[20:08] <antagomir> BluesKaj: no, i only have this one system
[20:09] <BluesKaj> antagomir, ok , the I suggest you run in legacy mode
[20:09] <BluesKaj> then
[20:09] <Jordan_U> antagomir: sudo dpkg-reconfigure grub-efi-amd64
[20:10] <Jordan_U> antagomir: Then please run "sudo efibootmgr" again and pastebin the output of both.
[20:11] <antagomir> the first one: http://pastebin.com/9CMsBxVr
[20:12] <antagomir> the efibootmgr http://pastebin.com/gWw2bgLd
[20:12] <antagomir> seems promising, you think it might work now
[20:13] <Jordan_U> antagomir: I expect it will.
[20:13] <antagomir> Blueskaj hmm ok, but i already installed the system from EFI USB device
[20:13] <antagomir> so i try this out first
[20:15] <antagomir> ok i reboot now and try it out
[20:17] <antagomir> no, didnt solve the problem yet
[20:18] <antagomir> Blueskaj so you suggest using legacy mode and reinstalling with BIOS (instead of EFI)
[20:18] <antagomir> i still hope i could find a way to save this EFI setting the OS apparently seems to work smoothly
[20:18] <antagomir> once i get here
[20:20] <BluesKaj> antagomir, you should still be able to boot in legacy mode afaik, as long as you install grub from the media =, in lgacy mode of course
[20:21] <BluesKaj> correction: install grub with live media in legacy mode
[20:21] <BluesKaj> antagomir,^
[20:21] <antagomir> hmm
[20:22] <antagomir> you mean i could avoid reinstalling all
[20:22] <BluesKaj> that's what i did on this new laptop, of course I wiped the drive first
[20:22] <Beldar> BluesKaj, Did you have to change the partition table, or clean out gpt remnants?
[20:23] <BluesKaj> Beldar, well wiping the drive will do that :)
[20:23] <Beldar> BluesKaj, Not the table.
[20:23] <Beldar> depends on how you wipe though
[20:23] <BluesKaj> then creating a new partition table
[20:23] <antagomir> my drive has been wiped during the installation of this new system
[20:23] <antagomir> should that be sufficient
[20:24] <Beldar> BluesKaj, Cool, I'm not sure the user is aware of tables is all. ;)
[20:24] <BluesKaj> yes antagomir, it should be
[20:24] <antagomir> how to install grub with live media in legacy mode
[20:24] <Beldar> antagomir, Just erasing the partitions does not change the partition table.
[20:24] <antagomir> do you mean ubuntu live DVD by this live media
[20:25] <antagomir> Beldar also partition table was recreated during installation
[20:25] <JonEdney> Anyone have any specific changes required to run 14.04 in Virtualbox?  I've tried 3 times and it's freezing up with everything I try to do after the install & reboot
[20:25] <Beldar> antagomir, I don't think so you have to make a new one or wipe the mbr
[20:26] <Beldar> antagomir,gparted can make a new table.
[20:26] <BluesKaj> on live cd or usb , open a terminal in ubuntu and run sudo grub-install /dev/sdX , X being the partition on which ubuntu is installed, usually sda
[20:26] <antagomir> do i need to make a new table_
[20:26] <Beldar> you want a msdos for legacy
[20:27] <antagomir> why would i
[20:27] <Beldar> gpt is a uefi msdos is a mbr
[20:27] <Beldar> sorry to interrupt. ;)
[20:28] <antagomir> Blueskaj: is it necessary to do that with live cd rather than from my current hard disk installation
[20:28] <BluesKaj> antagomir, you'll lose your install if you create a new table , but it's worth doing then you're rid of theat gpt etc
[20:28] <antagomir> hm
[20:29] <BluesKaj> antagomir, not sure you can try installing grub and see on the the present install
[20:29] <BluesKaj> see what happens
[20:29] <antagomir> but when i reinstall then, i should choose custom partitioning and keep the table that i create according to your suggestions
[20:29] <antagomir> i am a bit lost
[20:30] <Beldar> YOu have to chroot from a live cd to load the mbr
[20:30] <BluesKaj> antagomir, if you decide to do a reinstall then create a new table from gparted as was suggested
[20:30] <Beldar> I don't think that works with a gpt table, but I have not had to do it.
[20:31] <BluesKaj> too many cooks , that's all i have to offer anyway
[20:34] <Beldar> antagomir, Is this a fresh install?
[20:34] <antagomir> hmm. i would not choose reinstall if there is another way
[20:34] <antagomir> BeldarÃ yes this is a fresh install
[20:34] <Beldar> antagomir, The other way is setting up the efi boot correctly.
[20:35] <antagomir> Ãhow
[20:35] <Beldar> I'm not up on that though
[20:35] <Beldar> never used uefi at this point
[20:35] <antagomir> i tried from F10 menu without success
[20:35] <antagomir> there are options EFI Native, EFI Hybrid and Legacy
[20:35] <BluesKaj> antagomir, did you choose the whole disk/partition option when installing?
[20:36] <antagomir> ys
[20:36] <antagomir> yes
[20:36] <Beldar> antagomir, You easiest probably is setting the legacy boot, boot the cd, open gparted and change the table to msdos and install to the whole disk, no manula needed.
[20:36] <Beldar> manual*
[20:37] <Beldar> anyway best of luck I will stay quiet
[20:37] <antagomir> ok tnx
[20:38] <antagomir> does it matter that my optical device (with USB) is set up with EFI, if I set the hard disk to legacy mode
[20:38] <BluesKaj> then you should be able to boot with EFI directly...right Beldar ?
[20:38] <antagomir> if i understand correctly, if i set the boot option to legacy mode then it does not use EFI?
[20:39] <Beldar> BluesKaj, Yeah if it is done right, I am just not up on doing it.
[20:39] <BluesKaj> Beldar, neither am I, since mucking about with UEFI wasn't working for me
[20:40] <BluesKaj> antagomir, correct
[20:40] <Jordan_U> antagomir: Please stop for a minute, as I'd personally like to know what's going on here.
[20:40] <antagomir> ok thats ok fine Jordan_U
[20:40] <Beldar> BluesKaj, I'm just waiting till I have a uefi setup to really get into understanding it.
[20:40] <Jordan_U> antagomir: Do you mind booting your installed Ubuntu system via UEFI again and pastebining the output of "sudo efibootmgr" again?
[20:41] <antagomir> i am here via UEFI now, the hard disk installation that i could access by choosing the EFI file via F9 menu
[20:41] <Jordan_U> antagomir: Ok.  I use word for grad papers is all.
[20:44] <Jordan_U> antagomir: Please try running "sudo efibootmgr --bootorder 0002,0000,0001".
[20:45] <BluesKaj> Beldar, right , one has to use what's necessary
[20:46] <antagomir> Jordan_U doneÃ: http://pastebin.com/YdHzm4dM
[20:47] <Jordan_U> antagomir: And this time I'm about 90% confidant that it will actually work :)
[20:47] <Jordan_U> antagomir: Please try rebooting.
[20:48] <antagomir> ok i will
[20:52] <antagomir> no it didnt :)
[20:54] <Jordan_U> antagomir: Very odd. "sudo efibootmgr" again.
[20:55] <antagomir> ok: http://pastebin.com/ZPZhnS6R
[20:55] <Jordan_U> antagomir: And "find /boot/efi/".
[20:56] <Jordan_U> antagomir: Your firmware likes resetting its boot order apparently.
[20:56] <antagomir> http://pastebin.com/BaXznLXT
[20:56] <antagomir> i am choosing the /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/grubx64.efi to get here
[20:57] <antagomir> hmm ok
[20:57] <antagomir> there should be a way to get around that
[20:57] <Jordan_U> antagomir: sudo mkdir /boot/efi/EFI/BOOT/
[20:58] <antagomir> ok done
[21:00] <Jordan_U> antagomir: echo "We copied /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/shimx64.efi to here because this firmware seems to have a bad case of boot order amnesia and this way the firmware will hopefully at least boot it as if it were a removable drive with no EFI entry." | sudo tee /boot/efi/EFI/BOOT/Readme.txt
[21:01] <Jordan_U> antagomir: sudo cp /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/shimx64.efi /boot/efi/EFI/BOOTX64.EFI
[21:01] <antagomir> ok
[21:01] <antagomir> u think it could work now?
[21:01] <Jordan_U> antagomir: I don't know what to think, but I hope it will :)
[21:02] <antagomir> i will try
[21:04] <antagomir> no..
[21:05] <Jordan_U> antagomir: Any change in what happened at boot at all?
[21:16] <Jef91> Is there a minimal install disc somewhere for 14.04?
[21:16] <Jef91> like just a terminal and bare utilities
[21:24] <OerHeks> Jef91, haven't seen it on the torrentlist nor cdimage website
[21:24] <Beldar> Jef91, closest is the daily core, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/daily/current/
[21:24] <Jordan_U> antagomir: To make your current install also bootable via BIOS, first use Gparted to resize your EFI System Partition, making it just 1 MiB smaller, and then using that free MiB create an unformatted partition with the "flag" bios_grub.
[21:24] <OerHeks> I guess you would fallbak to server
[21:26] <antagomir> Jordan_U i think there were now more options in the F9 menu
[21:26] <antagomir> otherwise the same
[21:26] <OerHeks> is this a correct setup ? > sudo apt-get install --no-install-recomends ubuntu-desktop
[21:27] <antagomir> Jordan_U can i use gparted from within my current hard disk installation, or should I use the liveCD?
[21:28] <Jordan_U> antagomir: OK. Well, let's make this think BIOS bootable then. Did you understand my GParted instructions?
[21:28] <Jordan_U> s/think/thing/
[21:28] <antagomir> i think i did understand, just installing gparted
[21:29] <Jordan_U> antagomir: You can use it within your current installation (though you'll have to unmount /boot/efi/).
[21:30] <antagomir> Jordan_U ok so I run sudo umount /boot/efi first?
[21:31] <jose> hey, guys! I'm wondering, Firefox is still going to be the default for trusty, right?/
[21:32] <Jordan_U> antagomir: Yes, or right click and unmount it from within GParted. Either way works.
[21:33] <antagomir> Jordan_U so I resize my ext4 partition that has most disk space (and not the linux-swap partition)?
[21:33] <antagomir> ok
[21:33] <Jordan_U> antagomir: No, the EFI System Parititon, sda1.
[21:33] <antagomir> ah, the /boot/efi
[21:33] <antagomir> ?
[21:34] <Jordan_U> antagomir: Yes, /dev/sda1 is mounted at /boot/efi/ because it is the EFI System Partition.
[21:34] <antagomir> there i have 487MiB in total (5.62MiB used / 481.38 MiB unused)
[21:34] <antagomir> i will downsize to 486 MiB in total?
[21:34] <Jordan_U> antagomir: Yes.
[21:35] <antagomir> ok done
[21:36] <Jordan_U> antagomir: Did you create the new unformatted partition in the free space?
[21:38] <antagomir> trying
[21:38] <antagomir> does it matter what file system i choose for that partition
[21:38] <IdleOne> running kubuntu 14.04 all updates applied. On reboot I received a ERROR: malformed file... Press any key to continue. I did and kubuntu booted up seemingly fine. I am wondering which file this error was referring to?
[21:39] <Jordan_U> antagomir: There should be an option like "unformatted".
[21:39] <antagomir> hmm, where I can set the flag?
[21:40] <Jordan_U> antagomir: It doesn't really matter, but actually choosing "unformatted" is conceptually more clear.
[21:40] <pwuertz> Hi, I'm trying to upgrade one of my systems to 14.04. Update Manager quits after a gpg signature error:
[21:40] <pwuertz> gpg: BAD signature from "Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:40] <antagomir> yes i found unformatted, tnx
[21:40] <pwuertz> Is this a known problem at the moment?
[21:40] <antagomir> or is flag same as label?
[21:40] <IdleOne> !gpgerr | pwuertz
[21:41] <IdleOne> pwuertz: run: sudo apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com 437D05B5
[21:41] <Beldar> pwuertz, This your only linux/ubuntu install?
[21:41] <IdleOne> then try the upgrade again.
[21:41] <pwuertz> IdleOne: Yes, I already ran that command
[21:41] <pwuertz> gpg: key 437D05B5: "Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>not changed
[21:42] <pwuertz> The upgrade process keeps failing
[21:42] <Jordan_U> antagomir: Flag is not the same as label, I'm woking from my phone so I can't look at a GParted GUI right now. If you can't find it I can give you a terminal command to do it.
[21:42] <antagomir> i cant find it
[21:42] <antagomir> i have looking through all tabs and clicks
[21:42] <pwuertz> Beldar: No, I upgraded 2 other systems to 14.04 a few days ago
[21:43] <Jordan_U> antagomir: Try right clicking. Is there a "manager flags" option in the right click menu?
[21:43] <Beldar> pwuertz, Cool, my concern was upgrading to a development is all.
[21:43] <Jordan_U> s/manager/manage/
[21:43] <antagomir> yes but its unactive
[21:43] <antagomir> inactive
[21:43] <Jordan_U> antagomir: Could you please post a screenshot?
[21:44] <Jordan_U> !screenshot | antagomir
[21:44] <pwuertz> IdleOne: ok, sorry, something did change now.. I have no idea why because googling for that problem already gave me that solution and it didn't work :)
[21:44] <pwuertz> maybe it was another key
[21:45] <pwuertz> Beldar: I had a few packages blocking each during one upgrade process, the other one went fine
[21:47] <antagomir> Jordan_U: screenshot http://postimg.org/image/r0i4hkran/
[21:48] <IdleOne> pwuertz: so it is updating now?
[21:49] <antagomir> another screenshot with the menu http://postimg.org/image/8yvmzfzth/
[21:50] <pwuertz> IdleOne: Indeed.. but it couldn't have been that command. I checked my terminal and I already tried that exact line 3 times before and update-manager kept crashing.
[21:50] <pwuertz> IdleOne: Nevertheless, its working just now.. strange
[21:51] <IdleOne> sometimes it is best not to ask why something suddenly works :)
[21:51] <IdleOne> just be happy it does
[21:52] <Jordan_U> antagomir: Try applying your current changes, and then see if the option is available. If not, then we'll just do it via the terminal.
[21:55] <antagomir> Jordan_U ok that did it
[21:56] <Jordan_U> antagomir: OK, to confirm that everything looks good, please pastebin the output of "sudo parted -l".
[21:56] <antagomir> here the screenshot http://postimg.org/image/5b80oltux/
[21:57] <antagomir> pastebin
[21:57] <antagomir> http://pastebin.com/VnrEDzum
[21:58] <Jordan_U> antagomir: Great. Now run "sudo apt-get install grub-pc". When prompted, select "sda" (*not* sda1 or any other partition) as the device to install grub's boot sector to.
[21:59] <pwuertz> IdleOne: Right ;)
[22:00] <antagomir> Jordan_U does not look promising http://postimg.org/image/bry1ayexh/
[22:01] <antagomir> this is after I chose /dev/sda in the first screen
[22:02] <Jordan_U> antagomir: Please pastebin the output of "sudo grub-install --target=i386-pc /dev/sda".
[22:03] <Jordan_U> antagomir: (From another terminal)
[22:04] <antagomir> Installing for i386-pc platform.
[22:04] <antagomir> Installation finished. No error reported.
[22:06] <antagomir> that is all output
[22:11] <antagomir> Jordan_U ill be right back
[22:13] <Jordan_U> antagomir: I have a guess as to what the problem is, and if I'm right it's a bug with a simple fix. Your computer should now boot, but please pastebin the output of "sudo grub-install /dev/sda". I expect that it will try to install for efi, and fail since the ESP isn't mounted.
[22:19] <antagomir> Jordan_U output is
[22:19] <antagomir> Installing for x86_64-efi platform.
[22:19] <antagomir> grub-install: error: cannot find EFI directory.
[22:19] <antagomir> so only these two lines
[22:22] <antagomir> so shall i try reboot?
[22:23] <antagomir> does not look promising yet
[22:32] <antagomir> Jordan_U at least to system did not boot correctly yet, I tried
[22:34] <Jordan_U> antagomir: What was the error message?
[22:35] <antagomir> hmm, I did not write down. there are many screens at different stages
[22:35] <Jordan_U> antagomir: Was it different than the last time?
[22:35] <antagomir> no
[22:36] <antagomir> i did not notice differences
[22:36] <Jordan_U> antagomir: Try configuring your machine to boot via BIOS only.
[22:36] <antagomir> ok
[22:37] <Jordan_U> antagomir: If that still doesn't work, I have 1 more trick up my sleeve and then I think I've exhausted them all :)
[22:43] <antagomir> Jordan_U i tried to set Boot option to "Legacy" from F10 menu but then i was not able to get here at all
[22:43] <antagomir> now i returned to the Boot option = EFI Hybrid
[22:43] <Jordan_U> antagomir: What error message did you recieve then?
[22:44] <antagomir> hmm, nothing that i would have particularly noted as remarkable. i can redo and take photos
[22:44] <antagomir> there is always more text
[22:45] <antagomir> but basically the F9 menu did not give EFI as an option any more
[22:45] <antagomir> and i get here only by using that
[22:46] <Jordan_U> antagomir: There are two possible idiocies in your boot firmware I can think of. First, it may incorrectly assume that a drive with GPT Label is not bootable via BIOS (only true for Windows installations). Second, it may assume that a drive without a "boot flag" on any of its primary partitions in its msdos label cannot be booted via BIOS (again, only true with Windows).
[22:47] <antagomir> hm
[22:47] <antagomir> i have no windows
[22:48] <Jordan_U> antagomir: I know. Don't you wish that firmware Vendors didn't assume that's the only OS in existance? :)
[22:48] <Jordan_U> antagomir: The first is more annoying to test, so let's test the second idiocy first. Please run "sudo fdisk /dev/sda", you'll get a warning that fdisk doesn't support GPT, that's OK because we really do want to modify the msdos label.
[22:48] <antagomir> ye :)
[22:49] <antagomir> what command i should give
[22:49] <antagomir> WARNING: GPT (GUID Partition Table) detected on '/dev/sda'! The util fdisk doesn't support GPT. Use GNU Parted.
[22:50] <antagomir> it is now asking for a commad
[22:50] <antagomir> command
[22:50] <Jordan_U> antagomir: p
[22:50] <Jordan_U> antagomir: And pastebin the output.
[22:51] <antagomir> http://pastebin.com/wM59rYS6
[22:53] <Daekdroom> My system when idling now shows the LightDM login screen instead of the usual lock screen. Does anyone know how to revert that to the default?
[22:53] <Jordan_U> antagomir: "a" then "1" then "p" again.
[22:55] <antagomir> http://paste.debian.net/84675/
[22:57] <Jordan_U> antagomir: Great. Now "w".
[22:57] <antagomir> http://paste.debian.net/84676/
[22:58] <Jordan_U> antagomir: You can ignore that warning, it doesn't matter for us. Try rebooting in BIOS only mode again.
[22:59] <antagomir> so is BIOS only mode the same as Boot option: Legacy ?
[22:59] <Jordan_U> antagomir: Sounds like it, yes.
[22:59] <antagomir> ok
[23:01] <antagomir> hmm now i did not change anything, just reboot
[23:01] <antagomir> but this booted correctly this tie
[23:01] <antagomir> time
[23:01] <antagomir> shall i still try to Legacy option?
[23:01] <antagomir> seems to work now
[23:02] <antagomir> and now i am in EFI Hybrid mode
[23:02] <antagomir> (regarding the boot option i mean)
[23:03] <Jordan_U> antagomir: Ok, let's confirm that you're booted via UEFI currently. If you are, then this firmware bug is all the more silly.
[23:03] <antagomir> so what shall i do
[23:04] <Jordan_U> antagomir: ls /sys/firmware/efi/
[23:05] <antagomir> ls: cannot access /sys/firmware/efi/: No such file or directory
[23:05] <Jordan_U> antagomir: OK, so you're booted via BIOS.
[23:05] <antagomir> ok
[23:06] <antagomir> is this a problem now for me as it seems to boot ok
[23:06] <Jordan_U> antagomir: That means that your boot firmware suffered from idiocy number two. You should be good to go now, and you can still boot via UEFI manually whenever you want.
[23:06] <antagomir> right
[23:07] <antagomir> so there are no remarkable differences which route i use?
[23:07] <antagomir> for system operation
[23:07] <Jordan_U> antagomir: There may be driver related issues, but if 3D is working properly and your disks seem to be getting full speed then you shouldn't notice any differences.
[23:07] <flan_suse> Where can I download beta 1 of Ubuntu 14.04? I see the news about it, but no working links for the .iso.
[23:08] <antagomir> ok, i will see later on if the system is slower than im used to
[23:08] <antagomir> so this is it?
[23:09] <Jordan_U> antagomir: Yup. Please file a bug report though, about changes to the boot order made via efibootmgr not sticking.
[23:09] <antagomir> ok, where best make it, ubuntuforums?
[23:10] <Jordan_U> antagomir: ubuntu-bug grub-efi-amd64"
[23:10] <Jordan_U> antagomir: Preferably run when booted via UEFI.
[23:12] <k1l> flan_suse: see http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/trusty/beta-1/
[23:13] <antagomir> ok i will make this bug report
[23:14] <antagomir> hmm, in practice I will run booted via BIOS because this is what automatically works. Otherwise I have to go to BIOS menu F9 and manually select the EFI
[23:14] <antagomir> if there is no way to automate that and both routes seem to work i doubt i will ever go via the EFI route
[23:15] <antagomir> is this really a potential problem?
[23:20] <antagomir> i mean now it still sounds like this might be a problem
[23:21] <antagomir> would be good to know before i really start setting up the system
[23:21] <Jordan_U> antagomir: It's most likely not a problem. If you run into any driver problems, try reproducing them when booted via UEFI.
[23:21] <antagomir> right, yes
[23:21] <antagomir> thanks
[23:21] <Jordan_U> antagomir: You're welcome.
[23:21] <antagomir> you are  a wizard :-)
[23:22] <antagomir> tnx for your time and patience
[23:22] <antagomir> i do appreciate
[23:23] <Jordan_U> antagomir: You're welcome. Thanks for presenting me with an interesting problem to solve :)
[23:23]  * Beldar gives a smattering of applause for Jordan_U
[23:24] <antagomir> \o/
[23:27] <Fudge> anyone having ubuntu one sign on problems in ubiquity
[23:50] <Fudge> no?
[23:58] <rohan> does anyone know if nvidia-prime package on ubuntu 14.04 switches off the nvidia GPU when not in use?