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[07:12] <tjaalton> LocutusOfBorg: looks like forge autopkgtests still fail if cmake outputs warnings
[07:12] <tjaalton> blocking mesa atm
[07:28] <LocutusOfBorg> tjaalton, they seem related to new opencl and gcc-8
[07:28] <LocutusOfBorg> maybe allow stderr is the way to go, feel free to do it
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[11:37] <LocutusOfBorg> rbasak, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php-horde-db/2.4.0-1ubuntu3 I did "fix" probably
[11:38] <LocutusOfBorg> but I don't know if 42.2 or 42.200000 are really the same value
[11:38] <LocutusOfBorg> I think no real applications care about the zero after the number, right?
[11:45] <rbasak> LocutusOfBorg: I wondered if it was a string formatting thing. In which case perhaps it does matter.
[11:45] <rbasak> (eg. "%2.1f" incorrectly produces a string with too many digits after the decimal point)
[11:45] <rbasak> I never looked further though.
[12:50] <LocutusOfBorg>   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/lazr/restfulclient/_browser.py", line 431, in _request
[12:50] <LocutusOfBorg>     raise error
[12:50] <LocutusOfBorg> lazr.restfulclient.errors.ClientError: HTTP Error 403: Forbidden
[12:50] <LocutusOfBorg> nice, pull-lp-source is broken :/
[12:51] <cjwatson> Known.
[12:51] <cjwatson> Working on it
[12:51] <apw> LocutusOfBorg, launchpad is sad, ^ that
[12:51] <LocutusOfBorg> ta!
[12:51] <cjwatson> Just compelled to say so in like half a dozen different channels :-/
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[12:58] <cjwatson> LP fixed
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[07:15] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: morning!
[07:16] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: Heya!
[07:16] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: thanks for the LGTM, BTW
[07:18] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: will submit after i've upgraded to precise this morning. thought it might be a good idea before heading to UDS. i'm hoping the battery life will have reverted towards what i got under natty...
[07:20] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: Ah, super
[07:21] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: Just finishing reviews to get some sleep here as well
[07:23] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: hmm, precise says it's going to remove libzookeeper-dev, i wonder why
[07:24] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: oh yes, one thing i discussed with william last night
[07:25] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: how do you feel about upload-tools being a separate subcommand rather than a flag?
[07:26] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: Where would it upload to?
[07:26] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: to private storage
[07:26] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: Which private storage?
[07:26] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: There's no environment..
[07:26] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: the storage mentioned in environments.yaml
[07:26] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: The environment doesn't exist
[07:27] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: it is created when necessary. it doesn't matter if it's created by bootstrap or upload-tools, i think
[07:27] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: bootstrap is what creates it.. we can't expect the private storage to work before that happens.
[07:27] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: Heh
[07:27] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: So you're turning upload-tools into bootstrap..
[07:27] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: Doesn't feel great.
[07:27] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: bootstrap is all about starting the first machine, i think. the storage is somewhat incidental.
[07:28] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: bootstrap is all about creating the environment. Everything else is a side effect of that.
[07:28] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: Storage can't be assumed to work at all before the environment has been bootstrapped.
[07:29] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: ok, so if it's not a command, which commands should get --upload-tools (or --upload-client?) as a flag?
[07:29] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: There are environments that already depend on that (local) and it's pretty much certain that private storage will move out of S3 in the future and into a custom service
[07:29] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: Right now, bootstrap
[07:29] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: and what if you want to upload tools for several architectures before bootstrapping?
[07:30] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: You can't. There's no where to upload to before bootstrap happens.
[07:31] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: if there was a separate command that could only run after bootstrap, in addition to the --upload-tools flag on bootstrap, that could work
[07:32] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: something to think about anyway. for the time being, i'll just do the flag on bootstrap.
[07:32] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: thanks for the input.
[07:32] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: Maybe, but it might work fine to have --upload-tools as a flag of upgrade-juju as well
[07:33] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: Hmm.. not sure
[07:33] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: Maybe upload-tools would be cleaner
[07:33] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: yeah, not sure either.
[07:34] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: it seems like it's mostly orthogonal
[07:34] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: Yeah, you're right
[07:37] <niemeyer> Okay.. really need some sleep now
[07:37] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: yeah, you do!
[07:37] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: yeah, you do!)
[07:37] <rogpeppe> :-)
[07:37] <niemeyer> rogpeppe: Have a great day :)
[07:37] <niemeyer> and talk to you in a few hours maybe
[07:37] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: yeah
[07:38] <rogpeppe> niemeyer: sweet dreams..
[07:38] <niemeyer> Thanks man
[07:38]  * niemeyer => sweetness
[16:04] <wrtp> niemeyer: mornin'
[16:05] <wrtp> niemeyer: sleep well? :-)
[16:24] <niemeyer> wrtp: Heya!
[16:24] <niemeyer> wrtp: Yep
[16:24] <niemeyer> wrtp: All good, thanks
[16:24] <niemeyer> wrtp: How was the day?
[16:25] <wrtp> niemeyer: not quite as productive as hoped. i'm a little unsure about the best way to proceed.
[16:26] <wrtp> niemeyer: i might change the proposal i made earlier - i'm currently thinking that an "uploadTools" bool argument to Bootstrap might be better.
[16:27] <niemeyer> wrtp: We might have both, I suppose
[16:27] <niemeyer> wrtp: Actually, hmm..
[16:27] <wrtp> niemeyer: i think that's the best way
[16:27] <niemeyer> wrtp: What's the background?
[16:27] <wrtp> niemeyer: one current problem is that given the Environ interface, i'm forced to call PutFile before Bootstrap
[16:28] <wrtp> niemeyer: i thought about having a separate "Create" call to create the environment's state, but that seems wrong.
[16:29] <niemeyer> wrtp: Yeah, I see what you mean.. maybe the bool is the best solution.. let me think for a moment as well
[16:29] <wrtp> niemeyer: the other problem is how to tell the Environ to do exact version matching.
[16:30] <wrtp> niemeyer: i'm also trying to think forward with an eye towards constraints.
[16:34] <niemeyer> wrtp: Talk me through it
[16:35] <wrtp> niemeyer: my current idea is that if the uploadTools bool arg to Bootstrap is true, the environ creates the state appropriately and calls environs.UploadTools. it also triggers exact version matching (which will need to be an argument to the provisioning agent).
[16:36] <wrtp> niemeyer: *and* (for the future) it adds the current architecture to the bootstrap constraints.
[16:37] <wrtp> niemeyer: in addition to that, we'd have an upload-tools command to juju which would upload tools for the current version/arch with no other side effects.
[16:39] <wrtp> niemeyer: how does that sound?
[16:41] <niemeyer> wrtp: It sounds reasonable
[16:42] <wrtp> niemeyer: cool.
[16:42] <niemeyer> wrtp: Both things seem interlocked really
[16:42] <niemeyer> wrtp: We can't bootstrap without the tools, and we can't upload the tools without bootstrapping
[16:43] <niemeyer> wrtp: So it makes sense to have the chicken being fabricated to get started :)
[16:43] <wrtp> niemeyer: yeah. well, maybe - it works ok on ec2, but maybe not with other providers as you've said
[16:43] <wrtp> niemeyer: and we'd need another arg to bootstrap anyway to ask for an exact version.
[16:43] <niemeyer> wrtp: Even EC2 itself may not work so well with that in the near future
[16:44] <niemeyer> wrtp: Think environment storage moving onto the nodes
[16:44] <Aram> hi folks.
[16:44] <wrtp> niemeyer: how can that work?
[16:44] <niemeyer> Aram: Heya
[16:45] <wrtp> niemeyer: how can we know what node to contact without some storage?
[16:45] <wrtp> Aram: hi
[16:45] <niemeyer> wrtp: There are good ways to tag machines in EC2 nowadays
[16:46] <wrtp> niemeyer: ah, yeah, that seems reasonable then. ec2 metadata becomes the storage...
[16:47] <niemeyer> wrtp: Not really the storage..
[16:47] <wrtp> niemeyer: the storage for the initial contact info
[16:47] <wrtp> niemeyer: replacing zookeeper-addresses (or whatever the name is)
[16:47] <niemeyer> wrtp: yeah.. this is really a lookup mechanism rather than actual storage
[16:47] <niemeyer> wrtp: It'll actually be a lot nicer that way
[16:48] <niemeyer> wrtp: We can even move into this direction today, I guess
[16:48] <niemeyer> wrtp: Well, not yet
[16:48] <niemeyer> wrtp: We'd still need the control bucket either way
[16:48] <wrtp> niemeyer: yeah
[16:48] <niemeyer> wrtp: But it'll be awesome to drop that ugly setting
[16:48] <wrtp> niemeyer: although calling it "control-bucket" would soon be a bit wrong
[16:49] <niemeyer> wrtp: Well, I hope we kill it for good
[16:49] <niemeyer> wrtp: It'll also be a lot nicer to port it across providers
[16:50] <niemeyer> Oops.. time to talk about juju here..
[16:50] <wrtp> niemeyer: have fun
[17:03] <wrtp> niemeyer: off for the day. see you tomorrow some time, hopefully.
[18:20] <niemeyer> andrewsmedina: Heya
[18:20] <niemeyer> andrewsmedina: How're things going there?
[19:08] <andrewsmedina> niemeyer: hi
[19:10] <andrewsmedina> niemeyer: I'm finishing the works in the networking for local provider
[19:10] <andrewsmedina> niemeyer: rog did the review
[19:10] <andrewsmedina> niemeyer: https://codereview.appspot.com/6099051/
[19:49] <niemeyer> andrewsmedina: I noticed, that's awesome.. a bit rushy this week due to the event here, but I'm looking forward to checking it out


[01:23] <Guest92> libera-clock
[01:35] <Guest92> ipadress
[01:39] <Guest92> libera-clock
[07:14] <PaulePanter> Hi. systemd-repart 249.11 in Ubuntu 22.04 (jammy) has a bug and does not grow the root partition automatically. https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/30030
[07:14] -ubottu:#ubuntu-server- Pull 30030 in systemd/systemd "make gpt flag 59 (growfs) actually work on the root fs" [Merged]
[07:15] <PaulePanter> How high are the changes that this is fixed in Ubuntu 22.04 if I create an issue in Lanuchpad?
[07:15] <PaulePanter> *How high are the chan*c*es
[13:26] <PaulePanter> Hi. Any idea, why systemd as init mounts / on `/dev/root` and not `/dev/vda3`?
[13:26] <PaulePanter> https://paste.debian.net/1316165/
[18:02] <tomreyn> PaulePanter: ich tippe das ("root") ist der name des nach / gemounteten LVM2 LV
[18:02] <tomreyn> (und vda3 ist das darunter liegende PV)
[18:02] <tomreyn> pvs, vgs, lvs sollten ein "aaah!" hervorbringen
[18:03] <tomreyn> oops, wrong language, sorry
[18:07] <minimal> kein problem ;-)
[19:56] <runelind> one of my servers keep displaying *** Livepatch has fixed kernel vulnerabilities. System restart recommended on the closest maintenance window *** but no matter how many times I reboot it keeps popping up.  I have no outstanding kernels waiting to be installed to my knowledge.
[19:57] <runelind> this is on the motd when I first log in via SSH
[20:37] <PaulePanter> tomreyn: Thank you, but no LVM involved.


[04:57] <guiverc_t> UWN: does 'general news' get summaries?    avoid brain injury; you remember nothing...
[05:18] <pleia2> yes, but not the bullet pointed items
[09:45] <PaulW2U> blogosphere summaries completed


[10:57]  * persia peers about
[10:57] <lifeless> hoi
[10:58] <hemanth> hi
[10:58] <amachu> hi
[10:58] <linuxmalaysia> hi
[10:58] <amachu> lifeless: persia: elky: Hi
[10:59] <elky> oh, it's that day...
[10:59] <elky> hi!
[11:00] <amachu> elky: hi
[11:00] <amachu> TheMuso?
[11:00] <amachu> persia: there?
[11:00] <persia> TheMuso may not be around: there was mail to the ubuntustudio list that implied being away.
[11:01] <amachu> okie
[11:01] <lifeless> he mailed the meeting list too
[11:01] <amachu> we are four here now
[11:01] <lifeless> rather more explicitly than implied
[11:01] <amachu> lets begin
[11:02] <amachu> beltz: zakame: TheMuso: missing
[11:02] <lifeless> this one time, at the asia pac membership board
[11:04] <amachu> lifeless: persia: elky: lets begin
[11:04] <persia> Sounds good.
[11:04] <amachu> so here is the agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/AsiaOceania
[11:04] <amachu> let me call one after other
[11:04] <amachu> hemanth: Hi
[11:04] <amachu> are you there?
[11:04] <hemanth> amachu: hi
[11:05] <hemanth> amachu: yes I am here
[11:05] <amachu> Please go ahead
[11:05] <hemanth> Hi I am Hemanth H.M
[11:05] <amachu> sharing your contributions to Ubuntu
[11:05] <hemanth> Am from India
[11:06] <hemanth> ok :)
[11:06] <ApOgEE-> hi
[11:06] <hemanth> Doing my final year of graduation in computer science
[11:06] <hemanth> Started using Ubuntu from 2004 , got active in launchpad and brainstrom after my friend Bhavani Shankar's suggestion
[11:06] <itiknila> hi
[11:06] <hemanth> In launchpad : I do answer tracking , bug management , specification tracking and translations
[11:07] <hemanth> My mother tongue is kannada , i do translations in kannada with a help of my professor who has vast experience in the same
[11:07] <amachu> hemanth: which language you contribute to?
[11:07] <hemanth> kannada
[11:08] <hemanth> south India language
[11:08] <hemanth> In brainstrom , i have submitted many ideas and solutions listed here : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/hemanth_brainstrom
[11:08] <hemanth> I am active on IRC more , as i feel it would be easy to troubleshoot and exchange information instantly .
[11:09] <hemanth> Offline , i help many people near my place to switch to ubuntu , i go to there place and teach them how to install and spread the awareness of ubuntu and teach them to pass it on
[11:09] <hemanth> I have given many public demonstrations , in schools and universities near my place about how to on ubuntu , will not hesitate to go and speak on even bigger stage , so that i can share more ideas and thoughts
[11:09] <elky> hemanth, why is none of this on your wikipage?
[11:10] <hemanth> I thought I should write only technical aspect and ubuntu contribution
[11:10] <lifeless> hemanth: when did you start doing answers ?
[11:10] <hemanth> 2007
[11:11] <hemanth> To support the same , i made a very trivial website www.h3manth.com ,there are few post on common questions , people ask me while installing and when they are using ubuntu
[11:11] <amachu> hemanth: public demostrations - have you logged about them some where?
[11:11] <hemanth> no
[11:11] <hemanth> it was made in schools near my place
[11:12] <hemanth> *place
[11:12] <hemanth> video recording couldn't be made
[11:12] <amachu> where do you live in India?
[11:12] <hemanth> Bangalore
[11:14] <amachu> okie
[11:14] <persia> So, I'm a little fuzzy on the direct contribution of brainstorm.  I see lots of ideas.  Is there also a coordination element to realise those ideas?
[11:14] <hemanth> I will take recording from next time , it's a nice idea :)
[11:15] <hemanth> persia: yes
[11:15] <lifeless> I'm +1
[11:15] <lifeless> the answers stuff is very long term and consistent
[11:15] <lifeless> https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/%7Ehemanth-hm/+questions
[11:15] <hemanth> thank you :)
[11:16] <lifeless> While I think your documentation of what you're doing could be better to make our job easier; our job is to assess *you*, not the docs.
[11:16] <hemanth> ok ...
[11:17] <persia> Bother.
[11:17] <lifeless> I'd like to encourage you to get involved in more technical things too though, your background is excellent for direct contribution - taking some of the concrete ideas in brainstorm and help make them happen
[11:17] <persia> I'm +1 on answers as well, but I wanted to understand brainstorm contributions more (as much for future applications as this).
[11:17] <lifeless> [things smaller than the IDE perhaps :P)
[11:17] <persia> Unfortunately, I can't keep my browser up, so I'll just be impressed with the votes from others.
[11:18] <hemanth> ok :)
[11:18] <lifeless> persia: have you tried talking to it softly?
[11:18] <lifeless> persia: perhaps some light music, candles...
[11:18] <persia> lifeless, hrm.  reverse philosophy.  I'll try that.
[11:19] <amachu> hemanth: would have made it easy if you could have logged these in detail at wiki.. +1 from my end
[11:19] <persia> But regardless of my browser problems >1400 positive vs. ~150 negative is very nice to see next to the answers data.
[11:19] <elky> i'm still waiting for pages to load.
[11:20] <hemanth> amachu: thanks :) , I will take your suggestions
[11:20] <hemanth> persia: thanks :)
[11:20] <amachu> elky: your opinion?
[11:20] <amachu> elky: there?
[11:21] <elky> yes, i'm still trying to review stuff
[11:22] <amachu> elky: take you time, will wait
[11:22] <amachu> take your time...
[11:23] <elky> hemanth, i'm seeing in your brainstorm that you're suggesting things for stuff in launchpad... have you submitted bugs to be wishlisted at all?
[11:23] <hemanth> no I haven't yet
[11:23] <hemanth> on the same
[11:23] <elky> why?
[11:24] <hemanth> I thought it's an idea , and never thought of reporting a bug
[11:24] <hemanth> reporting it as abug
[11:24] <elky> also, i'm not familiar with brainstorm. I can only see like 3 days worth of ideas... 1-4 march. am i missing some?
[11:25] <hemanth> yes
[11:25] <elky> ah, the text is tiny, it's a month's worth, not 3 days
[11:25] <hemanth> ok
[11:26] <elky> hemanth, is it only a month of suggestions, or are there more?
[11:26] <hemanth> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/contributor/hemanth.hm/ideas/
[11:27] <lifeless> hemanth: something needs to take ideas from brainstorm and get them into the work queue for people, or do them
[11:27] <elky> so only the 2 pages?
[11:27] <lifeless> hemanth: you don't *need* to file bugs elsewhere, but doing so when a lot of people support your idea is a good way to help move the ideas along
[11:27] <hemanth> ok
[11:28] <hemanth> elky: yes , I was seeing ideas in sandbox , I was trying to storm more
[11:29] <elky> I'm +0. while the past few months of answers and they are nice, it's the only evidence of activity i see, and most are only the past few months. while it's a good start, i'm not convinced of the sustained nature of contribution
[11:29] <elky> s/answers/answers and brainstorm/
[11:30] <lifeless> elky: there are years of answers
[11:30] <persia> amachu, What's your call?
[11:30] <elky> lifeless, how many for 2008 and 2007?
[11:30] <lifeless> elky: click on the 'last' link on the answers page
[11:30] <amachu> persia: I would give +1, as said the wiki should have been better
[11:30] <lifeless> elky: 5-6 a month sustained
[11:30] <bizkut> hi all
[11:31] <bizkut> goodluck
[11:31] <amachu> persia: yours?
[11:31] <lifeless> elky: I'm not saying you're wrong, just that the evidence you're quoting appears inconsistent with what I see
[11:31] <lifeless> https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/%7Ehemanth-hm/+questions?start=100&batch=50 is the beginning of time
[11:33] <lifeless> specifically, 137 answers, spotty before the start of 2008, so say 134 across 16 months
[11:34] <lifeless> which is close to 9 a month in fact
[11:34] <elky> lifeless, 1 for 2005, 2 for 2007, 2 for the first half of 2008, and the rest until now. it's just not my idea of 'sustained and significant'.
[11:35] <lifeless> elky: so, 132 in 10 months?
[11:35] <elky> lifeless, one comment on a launchpad question every 3 days
[11:36] <lifeless> In my book thats pretty sustained; we're talking volunteer time, and the questions I popped into seemed to have solid answers
[11:36] <amachu1> persia: lost in between
[11:37] <elky> lifeless, you might as well invite every forum regular here then.
[11:37] <lifeless> elky: thats a good idea ;)
[11:37] <elky> all how many thousand of them?
[11:38] <lifeless> if they are contributing to the community, thats what we're here to recognise and assess
[11:38] <persia> Hum.  Lots of activity, but only 14 considered "answered".
[11:38] <elky> persia, yeah, i noted that too.
[11:39] <lifeless> answers is a bit odd in that regard
[11:39] <lifeless> anyhow, we're a board to get an aggregate opinion
[11:39] <elky> exactly
[11:40] <lifeless> all I'm saying is that we should remember our focus :) we've been a bit myopic recently I feel
[11:40] <amachu1> persia: what was your vote, when I asked for it? I lost in between
[11:40] <elky> and i think there's a difference between a random regular and a significant impact.
[11:40] <elky> but that's just me, it seems.
[11:41] <persia> Well, I'm all for considering answers, or even forum activity, but I think that it's a good point as to whether it's considered "significant" and "sustained".
[11:41] <persia> amachu, I'm confident of sustained.  I'm less sure of significant.
[11:41] <elky> i think he's doing good, yes. and i thank him wholeheartedly for it. i just dont match it to the criteria we're given to judge against.
[11:42] <persia> I still can't get my browser to show me the brainstorm stuff, but of the answers I'm sampling, I'm seeing many not completely answered.
[11:42] <amachu1> persia:  overall is it +1 or +0?
[11:42] <lifeless> elky: we're not asked to assess impact so much as contribution; people don't need to be rock stars to be members
[11:42] <persia> lifeless, Well, what else is "signfiicant"?
[11:42] <elky> lifeless, significance is an impact whether you want it to be or not.
[11:42] <persia> I don't mean it requires "rock star" status, but it does imply something more than just being there.
[11:43] <elky> it's like comparing an aquaintance to a friend, imho.
[11:43] <hemanth> power fail I ups is down :(
[11:43]  * persia tries to look at brainstorm harder
[11:43] <lifeless> elky: thats a good analogy - you can't say what makes someone one or the other but you can tell which is which
[11:43] <lifeless> :)
[11:43] <elky> lifeless, exactly.
[11:44] <lifeless> btw https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/~hemanth-hm/+answeredquestions is totally bong
[11:44] <lifeless> its like some of the bug summary pages that lp just fails on
[11:44] <persia> amachu, I'm going to vote +0 finally.  I still can't get to brainstorm to see the impact there, but based on the comments above about lack of bugs or specs developed from brainstorm, I think it's not quite there yet.
[11:45] <amachu1> ok fine..
[11:45] <elky> persia, amachu is supposed to be the one with the shonky network! :P
[11:46] <amachu1> hemanth: as you should have noticed, its 2 in favour out of 4 members present here..
[11:46] <amachu1> and elky persia would like to see more out of you..
[11:46] <persia> hemanth, And it may be that if I could see brainstorm, it would be enough: it's just a bit more of the same, plus helping get your solutions into Ubuntu (to avoidn future questions) that needs doing.
[11:47] <amachu1> you have done god job.. keep up the good work.. and looking forward to see you soon..
[11:47] <amachu1> hemanth: there?
[11:47] <elky> he said something about a UPS failure
[11:48] <amachu1> elky: yes
[11:48] <amachu1> ok.. linuxmalaysia: are you there?
[11:48] <linuxmalaysia> yes
[11:48] <linuxmalaysia> Im here
[11:48] <rawang> hi
[11:48] <ApOgEE-> go go linuxmalaysia !!
[11:49] <rawang> is the meeting under going?
[11:49] <amachu1> Please go ahead
[11:49] <linuxmalaysia> ok tq
[11:49] <linuxmalaysia> Im Harisfazillah Jamel
[11:49] <linuxmalaysia> Im from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
[11:49] <linuxmalaysia> Im now working with project Open Source Competency Centre (OSCC), MAMPU as RnD Team Lead.
[11:49] <persia> elky, It's not a network issue: entirely software.
[11:49] <linuxmalaysia> OSCC Promoting and providing OSS policy in Malaysia public sector.
[11:50] <linuxmalaysia> http://opensource.mampu.gov.my/
[11:50] <linuxmalaysia> Linux user since 1998
[11:50] <linuxmalaysia> Ubuntu user since 2006
[11:50] <linuxmalaysia> Wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/linuxmalaysia
[11:50] <linuxmalaysia> Lauchpad Profile : https://launchpad.net/~linuxmalaysia
[11:50] <elky> linuxmalaysia, you came to us last meeting, yes?
[11:50] <linuxmalaysia> yes but im stuck with other management meeting
[11:51] <lifeless> linuxmalaysia: in mysig, was that every weekend you did classes?
[11:51] <elky> ok, it's not dejavu then :D
[11:51] <linuxmalaysia> Yes. We do our classes every weekend since 2001 till 2004. Later I continue with classess in OSCC.
[11:52] <lifeless> is that still every weekend?
[11:52] <lifeless> or some less hectic schedule?
[11:52] <amachu1> linuxmalaysia: would like to know more on your Ubuntu contributions..
[11:52] <linuxmalaysia> This group dormant since 2004. But It our main Agenda now to active back MySIG
[11:52] <linuxmalaysia> Ubuntu LOCO Team is involved with this
[11:53] <elky> linuxmalaysia, what have you done since we last spoke to you?
[11:53] <lifeless> linuxmalaysia: with OSCC, how often do you do classes?
[11:53] <linuxmalaysia> Im the adminstrator for Ubuntu Mirror
[11:53] <linuxmalaysia> http://mirror.oscc.org.my/ubuntu/
[11:54] <linuxmalaysia> In oscc it all depand on training unit. Usual training desktop may occur once a month
[11:54] <lifeless> ok, thats part of your job now?
[11:54] <linuxmalaysia> Im also involved with Ubuntu Malay Translation
[11:54] <linuxmalaysia> for Ubuntu
[11:55] <linuxmalaysia> Ive create this page to promote the Malay translation
[11:55] <linuxmalaysia> http://knowledge.oscc.org.my/practice-areas/rnd/projek-terjemahan-bahasa-melayu
[11:55] <persia> I notice a bit of a gap in your recent translations, from January through April.  What happened?
[11:55] <hemanth1> lifeless: amachu1: persia:sorry I was offline
[11:55] <hemanth1> lifeless: amachu1: persia:power fail
[11:55] <persia> hemanth, I'll copy you log in a /query
[11:55] <lifeless> hemanth1: that end vote was +2, from 4 votes
[11:56] <linuxmalaysia> Im in management team for OSCC. beginning of the years Im involved with meeting related to policy decision
[11:56] <hemanth1> lifeless: what does it imply
[11:56] <lifeless> hemanth1: we're onto another applicant now - please read persia's log, and we can chat briefly with you after the current applicant
[11:56] <linuxmalaysia> Im going to continue that after MSC OSCONF 2009 this june.
[11:56] <hemanth1> ok
[11:58] <linuxmalaysia> another my contribution is by pushing OSCC products to used lauchpad
[11:58] <linuxmalaysia> we start with MyMeeting
[11:58] <linuxmalaysia> https://launchpad.net/mymeeting
[11:58] <elky> how is that an Ubuntu contribution?
[11:59] <linuxmalaysia> We would like the agencies to used Ubuntu as its easy to install and most of the IT personnels know ubuntu then any other distro
[11:59] <linuxmalaysia> MyMeeting is a online meeting management for Malaysian government build and support by OSCC MAMPU
[11:59] <e-jat> https://edge.launchpad.net/~oscc/+archive/ppa
[12:00] <lifeless> I'm +0.5
[12:00] <elky> i understand you're doing alot for Linux, but i'm failing to see how many of these things are contributions to Ubuntu *specifically*
[12:00] <lifeless> my reasons are: you've shown solid and committed (wow, years of weekly volunteer weekend classes) contributions in the past, but current contributions seem sketchy and perhaps somewhat limited to what your job needs
[12:01] <linuxmalaysia> elky.
[12:01] <linuxmalaysia> I'm using Ubuntu for more than 3 years now. I've also suggest and implement the used of Ubuntu Desktop in OSCC MAMPU. All solution related to office environment in OSCC MAMPU is base on Ubuntu. Every thing is Ubuntu in our office.
[12:01] <e-jat> elky, linuxmalaysia always be a speaker .. especially using ubuntu in government agencies
[12:01]  * GunbladeIV here as one of linuxmalaysia fans :D
[12:01] <linuxmalaysia> My attention is to put our office environment as all out Open Source office example for government agencies in Malaysia. Ubuntu is the key to promote and tools to change the Desktop of each computers in Malaysian Government to used Open Source Software and solutions.
[12:01] <amachu1> linuxmalaysia: are there people supporting you here?
[12:01] <e-jat> amachu1, me
[12:01] <lifeless> amachu1: e-jat and GunbladeIV are
[12:01] <linuxmalaysia> It's harder than it's look, users rejection and attack from vendor but I believe we can do that. We have prove ourself Ubuntu Desktop can work in office environment and we want to duplicate it around Malaysia.
[12:01] <itiknila> amachu1. me
[12:01] <ApOgEE-> amachu1, yeah me too...
[12:01] <persia> linuxmalaysia, Yes, but the stuff you're referencing is about promoting all of open source, which is where the question is raised.
[12:02] <amachu1> and the wiki too lacks testimonials
[12:02] <elky> promoting launchpad is not really an Ubuntu contribution. Launchpad != Ubuntu
[12:02]  * ApOgEE- is here to support linuxmalaysia
[12:02] <norly>  /me support linuxmalaysia
[12:02] <linuxmalaysia> persia : Ubuntu is part of Open Source and I believe by promoting Open Source we are also promoting Ubuntu
[12:02] <GunbladeIV> persia: he is promoting all of open source due to work policy, but Ubuntu is the main OS being promoted.
[12:03] <bizkut> elky, he developes MyMeeting on top of Ubuntu, hence promoting Ubuntu as it's base
[12:03] <linuxmalaysia> because each time Im doing my talks in conference I'll will show ubuntu when I present
[12:03] <amachu1> linuxmalaysia: certainly.. the OSCC MAMPU seminars you have referred dates back to June 2008..
[12:04] <linuxmalaysia> In our exbition we always sjowcase ubuntu to the visitors and participant
[12:04] <ApOgEE-> elky, most of the government people in Malaysia know Ubuntu via OSCC ...
[12:04] <linuxmalaysia> distibuted free Ubuntu
[12:04] <amachu1> you have done good job in the past..
[12:04] <GunbladeIV> + to ApOgEE- 's point
[12:04] <linuxmalaysia> we print ourself more than 1000 Ubuntu CD for this purpose
[12:05] <lifeless> raising my vote to +1
[12:05] <GunbladeIV> amachu1: and in the future too.. please look for http://mscoscon.my
[12:05] <lifeless> I think linuxmalaysia falls in the 'hard to quantify' category
[12:05] <GunbladeIV> amachu1: generally linuxmalaysia help a lot ubuntu-my community to help promoting ubuntu during the conference
[12:05] <e-jat> linuxmalaysia n me also having meeting with canonical for desktop project in malaysia schools
[12:05] <linuxmalaysia> It is not easy to get the buy in from the management. but believe me by promoting OSS and making Ubuntu the main example nad show them it works.
[12:06] <amachu1> GunbladeIV: thats Open Source.. comprising all..
[12:06] <elky> lifeless, indeed, i'm mostly seeing pure coincidence
[12:07] <linuxmalaysia> elky yes. Promoting OSS need examples. A good one and I believe Ubuntu has done that.
[12:07] <amachu1> i do understand linuxmalaysia is taking Ubuntu wherever he can as his priority, over others
[12:08] <ApOgEE-> amachu1, Ubuntu-my got a big slot at classroom and hands-on tutorial at MSCOSCON.my
[12:08] <linuxmalaysia> amachu: Thanks Ubuntu always the main disto for me and the others in OSCC to promote OSS
[12:08] <lifeless> elky: governments have a tendancy to be allergic to single supplier products; so folk tendering/suggesting tools often have to position things more generically even when only one product is what they want to put in
[12:08] <lifeless> elky: see all the fuss about open documentation standards for instance
[12:09] <elky> amachu1, indeed. however i'm mildly annoyed that i asked for specific things, and got vagueness back.
[12:09] <linuxmalaysia> lifeless : yes I agreed. But if you can show to them Ubuntu is better than the others thjat should be not a problem
[12:09] <GunbladeIV> amachu1: indeed - but we need to promote ubuntu through this kind of events due to awareness level in my is low atm. and he is the one making it happen.
[12:09] <e-jat> http://tinyurl.com/cbcazs <--  linuxmalaysia actively join ubuntu-my meetup
[12:09] <persia> linuxmalaysia, So, to repeat a question from above, there seems to have been a gap in your translations activity this spring.  What happened?
[12:09] <lifeless> persia: ITYM this autumn
[12:09] <persia> GunbladeIV, e-jat We'd really prefer to have linuxmalaysia answer the questions.
[12:10]  * e-jat sorry ..
[12:10] <persia> lifeless, Hrm, perhaps.
[12:10] <GunbladeIV> persia: roger :) - unplug my keyboard
[12:10] <linuxmalaysia> persia: Im involved with management meeting that related to planning of OSCC early each years
[12:10] <lifeless> persia: as much as autumn/spring apply to malaysia :)
[12:10] <linuxmalaysia> usualy Im more active after mid years
[12:10] <persia> lifeless, No, I mean sprint
[12:10] <persia> s/sprint/spring/
[12:10] <elky> lifeless, i understand that. and i'm trying to decide what number to vote since i got cryptic answers to everything i asked.
[12:10] <lifeless> elky: kk
[12:11] <lifeless> persia: hmm, just north of the equator...ok ;)
[12:11] <linuxmalaysia> It not easy to balance between jobs, family and contribution to Ubuntu
[12:11] <persia> lifeless, By the smallest amount: I had to check.
[12:11] <lifeless> :)
[12:12] <linuxmalaysia> but I want to make the best of my time to contribute to Ubuntu mostly malay translation
[12:13] <linuxmalaysia> we have gap for many years since last translation projects
[12:13] <linuxmalaysia> Ive make a page for this to promote ubuntu translation
[12:13] <linuxmalaysia> http://knowledge.oscc.org.my/practice-areas/rnd/projek-terjemahan-bahasa-melayu
[12:13] <elky> linuxmalaysia, /rnd/ meaning random?
[12:14] <linuxmalaysia> RnD = Research and Development
[12:14] <elky> ah
[12:14] <linuxmalaysia> Im also in talk with Gen Kanai from Mozilla to get the po from Ubuntu transaltion to commit Malay po to main branch
[12:15] <elky> i think i'll go +0.5. but i'm still quite confused at what is actually a conscious contribution to ubuntu and what is mere coincidence.
[12:16] <linuxmalaysia> Elky: Im promoting OSS by using Ubuntu
[12:16] <linuxmalaysia> by making OSCC office to used Ubuntu
[12:16] <linuxmalaysia> by making all the managers to used ubuntu
[12:16] <linuxmalaysia> by making all our talk in seminars to used Ubuntu
[12:17] <bizkut> http://blog.mozilla.com/gen/2009/04/01/bahasa-malaysia-mozilla-firefox/
[12:17] <linuxmalaysia> We have create interest in government agencies to used ubuntu as their desktop solutions
[12:18] <linuxmalaysia> and 2 of agencies already used ubuntu as total ubuntu in theire office that can be total up to 200 users
[12:18] <elky> amachu1, persia? did you two vote yet?
[12:18] <linuxmalaysia> We are now pushing more agencies to change to Linux desktop aka Ubuntu desktop
[12:18] <amachu1> linuxmalaysia: are you the person who is going to handle the talk on Ubuntu at http://www.mscmalaysia.my/osconf
[12:18] <persia> I'm +1.  I'm not convinced just from the MyOSS stuff, as from what I can see it's very generic, but when so many recognisable names from ubuntu-my speak in favour, that's enough to tip the balance.
[12:19] <amachu1> linuxmalaysia: hearing me?
[12:20] <elky> hes still in the channel
[12:20] <lifeless> linuxmalaysia: 21:13 < amachu1> linuxmalaysia: are you the person who is going to handle the talk on Ubuntu at http://www.mscmalaysia.my/osconf
[12:20] <linuxmalaysia> Nope it will be handle by Ubuntu-my loco
[12:20] <lifeless> linuxmalaysia: who is presenting the talk
[12:20] <linuxmalaysia> but the slot, installfest and booth is manage by me
[12:21] <e-jat> lifeless, beluz n maybe prakash advani from canonical
[12:21] <e-jat> lifeless, im inviting belutz to be one of the speaker for ubuntu slot in MSC OSCONF 2009
[12:21] <linuxmalaysia> so ive busy time with handling all that
[12:21] <linuxmalaysia> beluz and parkash will be handling the talk
[12:21] <amachu1> linuxmalaysia: thats the confusion.. more generic stuff onto the wiki which is supposed to give a clear info on your sustained contribution to Ubuntu
[12:22] <linuxmalaysia> our idea is to get 3 persons from ubuntu on the stages, beluz, parkash and one from loco to present on the talk
[12:23] <linuxmalaysia> amachu1: Yes I believe I should write more on my contribute in term of Ubuntu
[12:23] <linuxmalaysia> by Im myself not easy to brag abour oneself
[12:23] <linuxmalaysia> talk less work more
[12:23] <elky> linuxmalaysia, get your teammates to write down what they know you've done, then you bulk it out.
[12:24] <linuxmalaysia> elky ok will do that
[12:24] <itiknila> Nature of a Malaysian: We don't brag....much! haha
[12:24] <amachu1> elky: I would give +1, based on proof of contributions for almost few years now and the presence of Loco team members supporting linuxmalaysia
[12:24] <elky> itiknila, he's done plenty of bragging tonight. just none with clear links
[12:25] <linuxmalaysia> thanks amachu
[12:25] <amachu1> so 3 out of 4 for linuxmalaysia, right?
[12:25] <linuxmalaysia> elky this one of them http://blog.harisfazillah.info/2008/06/trip-to-miri-sarawak-malaysia.html
[12:26] <itiknila> answering questions != bragging
[12:26] <linuxmalaysia> we bring along Ubuntu CD to all OSCC seminars and ditribute to participant
[12:26] <linuxmalaysia> *participants
[12:26] <amachu1> persia: lifeless: elky: I welcome linuxmalaysia!
[12:27] <amachu1> is that fine?
[12:27] <elky> amachu1, i was and still am +0.5, so 3.5
[12:27] <linuxmalaysia> Thank you amachu
[12:27] <amachu1> elky: cool..
[12:27] <linuxmalaysia> elky. Still thanks for me. Im will brag more about ubuntu
[12:27] <linuxmalaysia> *from me
[12:27] <amachu1> linuxmalaysia: Welcome! keep up the good work..
[12:27] <hemanth1> linuxmalaysia: congrats
[12:28] <linuxmalaysia> Thanks amachu
[12:28] <rawang> congrats linuxmalaysia :)
[12:28] <itiknila> linuxmalaysia: Congrat!s!
[12:28] <linuxmalaysia> tnks hemanth
[12:28] <amachu1> raywang?
[12:28] <rawang> amachu1, yeah :)
[12:28] <amachu1> rawang: its your turn
[12:28] <rawang> is it my turn?
[12:28] <rawang> ok
[12:28] <e-jat> amachu1, so linuxmalaysia in ?
[12:28] <amachu1> e-jat: yes
[12:29] <linuxmalaysia> tq all. tq to Malaysian LOCO team
[12:29] <lifeless> congrats linuxmalaysia
[12:29] <elky> linuxmalaysia, to be pedantic i am going to point out that it's LoCo :P
[12:29] <linuxmalaysia> thanks lifeless
[12:30] <e-jat> elky, :)
[12:30] <linuxmalaysia> thanks elky. By loco supports Im accepted
[12:31] <rawang> couldn't i become the membership if my contribution is less then linuxmalaysia? :P
[12:31] <rawang> ok, should i start or wait for you ask?
[12:32] <persia> rawang, Please introduce yourself.
[12:32] <rawang> ok
[12:32] <rawang> I'm from China, and I'm Ubuntuer
[12:32] <rawang> I like it since i first use it.
[12:32] <rawang> my first ubuntu distribution is Breezy, so i use ubuntu for  near 3.5 years,
[12:32] <amachu1> rawang: Please go ahead
[12:33] <rawang> i have engaged people to use Ubuntu and help them out.for years.
[12:33] <rawang> and answered questions on http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/
[12:34] <rawang> the url is the ubuntu China website, i'm not sure it is official or not.
[12:34] <rawang> I'm also a Ubuntu LoCo Enthusiast
[12:35] <rawang> and i participated in Ubuntu LoCo Enthusiasts and Ubuntu Simplified Chinese Translators group
[12:35] <rawang> i'm a mono a11y engineer, and currently i'm working on build mono a11y stuff on my ppa, next step, i'm like to be a MOTU, and core developer is my future goal.
[12:35] <rawang> my wiki is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RayWang
[12:36] <rawang> and launchpad is https://launchpad.net/~raywang
[12:36] <persia> rawang, Did you bring anyone to support you?
[12:36] <rawang> i did  translation both on launchpad and gnome.org, promote Ubuntu on the OSS meeting, you could look at the photo in my lauchpad page :)
[12:37] <rawang> yeah, freeflying is my friend, but seems like he is not available now. :(
[12:37] <persia> Well, I'm +0.
[12:38] <elky> likewise. He sounds like a perfect recruit to the MOTU stables though
[12:38] <persia> Insufficient documented advocacy with the LoCo team (which could be improved with updates to the wiki page), no supporters, and karma of 4.
[12:38] <amachu1> rawang: would like to see more on the wiki, with suitable references
[12:38] <persia> That said, I do think that there's a good path towards working with the developers, and going that route.  I'd recommend asking freeflying to introduce you around #ubuntu-motu.
[12:39] <rawang> yeah but to be a MOTU,
[12:39] <amachu1> keep up good work and +0 from me, this time around
[12:39] <rawang> i'd should be a ubuntu member, right?
[12:39] <amachu1> rawang: not necessary..
[12:39] <amachu1> lifeless: your thoughts?
[12:39] <persia> rawang, Yes, but if you're seeking membership based entirely on development activities, you should seek membership from the MOTU Council.
[12:40] <lifeless> rawang: I concur with the other board members; you sound like you're doing a bunch of open source things (which is good), but few are solid Ubuntu *community* contributions, and this is the community board.
[12:40] <lifeless> rawang: MOTU grant memberships too
[12:40] <persia> amachu1, It's a rare developer that becomes MOTU without first being a member (although it does happen).
[12:40] <lifeless> persia: actually, I think its rather common, but my measurements may be skewed.
[12:40] <persia> lifeless, Well, I'd argue we could grant membership for a developer, as long as they also had other involvements.  I'd be less confident in the case of a pure-developer.
[12:41] <elky> motu is like a combination of the two processes in the end.
[12:41] <lifeless> persia: I agree with the sentiment
[12:41] <amachu1> persia: i agree
[12:41] <elky> yep
[12:41] <rawang> So this is the community contribution board?
[12:41] <lifeless> yes
[12:42] <persia> rawang, Well, no.  This is the regional membership board, for all sorts of contributions.
[12:42] <elky> it is one of them.
[12:42] <rawang> persia, ok :)
[12:42] <persia> There are two others (for the other regions).
[12:42] <lifeless> s/the/a/
[12:42] <amachu1> rawang: you can still be here.. but today for me the wiki lacks suitable references and would like to see more clarity
[12:42] <rawang> But I'd like to contribute to our packages on Ubuntu, and I do like Ubuntu very much
[12:42] <rawang> and this is our stuff http://www.mono-project.com/Accessibility:_Team
[12:43] <rawang> amachu1, understand
[12:43] <persia> rawang, Get in touch with freeflying.  If that doesn't work, feel free to /query me to help you down that path.
[12:43] <amachu1> rawang: keep contributing
[12:44] <amachu1> best wishes
[12:44] <amachu1> lifeless: your comments awaited
[12:44] <rawang> persia, sure, I will do, ,thanks a lot for your guys helps :)
[12:45] <rawang> so all of you are +0? :P
[12:45] <amachu1> lifeless: there?
[12:45] <amachu1> rawang: this time ;-)
[12:45] <rawang> sure :)
[12:45] <lifeless> amachu1: I commented
[12:46] <lifeless> amachu1: 21:35 < lifeless> rawang: I concur with the other board members; you sound like you're doing a bunch of open source things (which is good), but few are solid Ubuntu *community* contributions, and this is the
[12:46] <lifeless>                   community board.
[12:47] <amachu1> lifeless: got it, Thanks
[12:47] <rawang> persia, so you opinion is trying to reach freeflying, and go to MOTU board to become a ubuntu member?
[12:47] <persia> rawang, -> /query
[12:47] <amachu1> khanh_coltech ?
[12:47] <amachu1> is not here
[12:48] <amachu1> hemanth1: We are two out of four for you today.. Best wishes for the future
[12:48] <hemanth1> amachu1: thanks :)
[12:48] <lifeless> hemanth1: we can talk now; didn't want to leave someone half-answered after starting with them
[12:49] <amachu1> and I have a reminder to share, we are yet to find new Board Members..
[12:49] <hemanth1> I always dreamt of becoming a ubuntu member , so that i can serve the community to the fullest , but I didn't impress all , please help me to imporve
[12:50] <persia> hemanth1, I think the suggestions you received about involving yourself more directly, turning questions and ideas into bugs, is probably the best path forward.
[12:50] <amachu1> any other thing to share?
[12:50] <persia> amachu1, What's the procedure for nominating someone again?  Do I just do it here?
[12:51] <hemanth1> can anyone here mentor me
[12:51] <lifeless> persia: the list perhaps?
[12:51] <amachu1> persia: please share it in mailing list so that TheMuso and other can also have a look at it..
[12:51] <persia> Right.  I'll send mail.
[12:51] <persia> hemanth1, I'd recommend asking for help on #ubuntu-bugs to get started: there's a bunch of links in the /topic, which include some mailing lists.
[12:51] <amachu1> and once we are ok, we will take the consent of the person recommended and add him/ her to the team..
[12:52] <hemanth1> persia: ok
[12:52] <amachu1> is that all for the day?
[12:53] <lifeless> I have no items for the agenda
[12:53] <elky> hemanth1, #ubuntu-bugs deals with bugsquashing stuffs. i'm sure someone there can mentor you if that's the kind of thing you're interested in
[12:53] <hemanth1> elky: ok
[12:54] <hemanth1> elky: I just ask in the IRC or is there a fixed way for tht ?
[12:55] <persia> hemanth1, Just ask in IRC.
[12:55] <hemanth1> ok
[12:55] <hemanth1> thank you everyone
[12:55] <hemanth1> ill take the suggestions and improve
[12:55] <lifeless> there is also plenty of wiki pages about bugs
[12:56] <hemanth1> ok
[12:56] <hemanth1> I will put in all my efforts , and surely join you all :)
[12:56] <amachu1> thank you all for participating. our next meeting will be on 12 May
[12:57] <amachu1> Thank you
[12:57] <rawang> thank you lifeless persia amachu1 :)
[15:46] <effie_jayx> @now
[15:56] <ivoks> o/
[15:57]  * mathiaz waves
[15:58] <sommer> hellows
[15:58] <Brazen> \o
[15:59] <nijaba> o/
[16:01] <mathiaz> all right - let's get the Ubuntu Server Team started
[16:01] <mathiaz> #startmeeting
[16:01] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:01. The chair is mathiaz.
[16:01] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:02] <mathiaz> First of all: thanks everyone for the hard work put in pulling a new release
[16:02] <ivoks> anytime :)
[16:02] <mathiaz> Jaunty is an awesome release and one step closer to world domination
[16:03] <mathiaz> I hope you all celebrated this last release
[16:03] <mathiaz> and took some time to sit back, relax and enjoy the results
[16:04]  * kirkland did :-)
[16:05] <mathiaz> let's move on to current matters
[16:05] <Brazen> ... after installing the upgrade on all your computers first, right?
[16:05] <mathiaz> Today's agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting
[16:05] <mathiaz> Last week minutes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/20090421
[16:06] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Release party at the Jackalope bar in Austin, TX.
[16:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  Release party at the Jackalope bar in Austin, TX.
[16:06] <mathiaz> kirkland: ^^ how did this go?
[16:07] <kirkland> mathiaz: well it was *awesome* of course
[16:07] <kirkland> mathiaz: superm1 took some pictures, i haven't gotten them yet
[16:07] <kirkland> mathiaz: i suspect we were the only release party to hold such festivities at a bar named after the Ubuntu release :-)
[16:07] <kirkland> mathiaz: there were about 30 people present
[16:08] <kirkland> mathiaz: guinness were $2.50/pint, happy hour prices :-)
[16:08] <mathiaz> kirkland: looks like you guyz had a good time
[16:08] <mathiaz> kirkland: any plans for the next release party?
[16:09] <kirkland> mathiaz: as a matter of fact, there is a bar in Austin called "Karma"
[16:09] <kirkland> mathiaz: i suspect we'll hold the next release party there :-)
[16:09] <ivoks> i bet there's lots of those all around the world :)
[16:09] <kirkland> ivoks: hopefully so!
[16:09] <ivoks> kirkland: we even have a singing group called karma :D
[16:09] <kirkland> ivoks: probably more than bars named The Jackalope
[16:09] <ivoks> kirkland: most probably :)
[16:10] <kirkland> anyone else had a good release party?
[16:10] <kirkland> ivoks: what was shaking in Croatia?
[16:10] <ivoks> kirkland: oh, we had a intstall fest in student's club
[16:10] <ivoks> kirkland: and a bit of demonstration what's new in jaunty... nothing special
[16:11] <ivoks> i celebrated in the mountains :)
[16:12] <mathiaz> well - it seems that we've got plans for the most important item for this coming release cycle
[16:12] <nijaba> the party in london was great too.  In his toast, Mark named Jaunty the best server release ever!
[16:12] <kirkland> ivoks: i enjoyed your Ubuntu Action Shots
[16:12] <ivoks> kirkland: hehe
[16:12] <mathiaz> [ACTION] kirkland to organize the Austin release party for Karmic in the Karma bar
[16:12] <MootBot> ACTION received:  kirkland to organize the Austin release party for Karmic in the Karma bar
[16:13] <kirkland> mathiaz: ack
[16:13] <mathiaz> That brings us to the next topic: what should be celebrated?
[16:13] <kirkland> mathiaz: others are to find karma bars nearby too
[16:13] <nijaba> mathiaz: montreal: http://restomontreal.ca/portal/karma/index.php?lang=fr
[16:14] <kirkland> mathiaz: we also have a sports bar called Aussie's, with koala's everywhere
[16:14] <kirkland> mathiaz: so that would work too, in a pinch
[16:14] <ivoks> yeah... koala should be better :)
[16:14] <ivoks> karma is just too easy
[16:14] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Features for karmic
[16:14] <MootBot> New Topic:  Features for karmic
[16:14] <mathiaz> As you may know, next UDS is less than a month away
[16:15] <mathiaz> now is the time to make your ideas known
[16:15] <mathiaz> and start discussing them
[16:16] <ivoks> i would like to see ldap getting everywhere possible
[16:17]  * nijaba agrees with ivoks :)
[16:17] <sommer> me too, me too
[16:17] <mathiaz> how to do so? Start a wiki page to outline your ideas
[16:17] <ivoks> so, that's it then :D
[16:17] <mathiaz> register a blueprint in launchpad, nominate for the karmic uds
[16:17] <kirkland> mathiaz: wiki page, or blueprint first?
[16:18] <ivoks> this is a lot of work, so we should target karmic+1 for that, but do as much as possible in karmic
[16:18] <mathiaz> kirkland: hm - good question
[16:18] <mathiaz> kirkland: it seems that people are first using blueprints to do a quick braindump
[16:18] <mathiaz> we end up with thousand of blueprints now
[16:19] <kirkland> mathiaz: i thought that was what dendrobates asked us to do
[16:19] <kirkland> mathiaz: to schedule a uds session, a blueprint must exist
[16:20] <kirkland> mathiaz: my understanding was that the UDS organizers would schedule sessions based on "accepted" blueprints
[16:20] <kirkland> mathiaz: from the output of UDS, if a blueprint was then "approved", then a wiki spec is expected
[16:20] <mathiaz> kirkland: ok.
[16:20] <kirkland> mathiaz: and based on the wiki spec, work would commence :-)
[16:20] <kirkland> mathiaz: but, as you say, this has been very much in flux
[16:20] <kirkland> mathiaz: so it's possible i'm confused, too
[16:22] <kirkland> mathiaz: i added far more blueprints than i expect to get approved
[16:23] <kirkland> mathiaz: also, dendrobates asked that server-related blueprints start with "server-karmic-*" for sorting purposes
[16:23] <kirkland> mathiaz: and that they should be proposed for the Karmic sprint
[16:23] <mathiaz> kirkland: all right.
[16:24] <mathiaz> So the process is: create (or rename) a blueprint starting with server-karmic-, propose it for the karmic sprint
[16:25] <ivoks> ok
[16:25] <mathiaz> This will get the idea on dendrobates' radar and he'll select the ones to be discussed at uds
[16:26] <mathiaz> ivoks: FYI I'm working on the ldap+kerberos issue - I should have a couple of blueprints ready in the next few days
[16:26] <ivoks> mathiaz: great
[16:27] <mathiaz> so get your ideas out there and let the ubuntu developer community know about them
[16:27] <mathiaz> any questions about this process?
[16:27] <ivoks> if you don't know where to start
[16:27] <ivoks> check brainstorm and let's do something lots of people want
[16:28] <kirkland> jcastro: can you point us to some of the most popular server-related brainstorm requests?
[16:28] <ivoks> kirkland: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/server/
[16:29] <kirkland> jcastro: doesn't have to be now, but perhaps post to the ubuntu-server@ mailing list this week?
[16:29] <jcastro> kirkland: after my session with mark
[16:29] <jcastro> sure
[16:29] <kirkland> jcastro: doh.  ivoks has it :-)
[16:29] <ivoks> what? is this true? php5-mysql isn't part of LAMP?
[16:30] <ivoks> i would say that idea '
[16:30] <ivoks> about the lamp stack is a bug, not an idea
[16:30] <mathiaz> ivoks: php5-mysql *is* part of the LAMP stack
[16:30] <mathiaz> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/seeds/ubuntu.jaunty/lamp-server
[16:30] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/seeds/ubuntu.jaunty/lamp-server
[16:30] <ivoks> great
[16:31] <ivoks> adding gd library should be harmless...
[16:31] <mathiaz> all right - let's move on
[16:31] <mathiaz> ivoks: we can discuss all these ideas at UDS - it may be worth creating a blueprint to gather common ideas.
[16:32] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] High Availability Team
[16:32] <MootBot> New Topic:  High Availability Team
[16:32] <mathiaz> RoAkSoAx: ^^
[16:32] <RoAkSoAx> heya
[16:32] <RoAkSoAx> let me introduce myself first
[16:32] <RoAkSoAx> I'm Andres Rodriguez, I one of the council members of the Ubuntu Peru LoCo. I've done some work for the server team before, working on some init scripts adding the status action.
[16:32] <RoAkSoAx> The reason I've brought this up is because, as I explained mathiaz yesterday at his UOW presentation, I do think that packages such Heartbeat, Keepalived, ipvsadm, etc, etc, should be important to the server team since many companies work, and would like to work with HA clusters.
[16:33] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: i was planing on bringing this on the table for UDS
[16:33] <RoAkSoAx> Why is my interest in HA? because I did my thesis related to HA. I designed an architecture of HA clusters for webservers: more information: http://www.roaksoax.com/2008/07/ubuntu-in-my-thesis-part-2
[16:33] <RoAkSoAx> And you can download it from here (It's in spanish): http://roaksoax.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/thesis.pdf
[16:34] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: are you familliar with redhat cluster suite?
[16:34] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, unfortunately, no, just with tools such as hearbeat, DRBD, keepalived, ldirectord, lvs
[16:35] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: so, if you are interested, i could give you a quick overview of current status
[16:35] <RoAkSoAx> btw.. mathiaz proposed the creation of this HA team, yesterday at his presentation
[16:35] <ivoks> that would be great...
[16:35] <ivoks> since we lack people in that area :D
[16:35] <mathiaz> The suggestion was to add hearbeat,  DRBD, keepalived, ldirectord, lvs
[16:35] <mathiaz> packages to the ubuntu-server bug packages
[16:35] <RoAkSoAx> I've also offered myself to provides HowTo's
[16:35] <mathiaz> that would mean more bug mails on the ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list
[16:36] <nxvl> how is that the Austin, TX Release party became important for the server team?
[16:36] <mathiaz> my concern is that it may start to be too much
[16:36] <ivoks> mathiaz: i would love to see in 6-12 months time ubuntu cluster stack, based on linuxha, instead of rhcs
[16:36] <RoAkSoAx> such as: Hearbeat V1/V2, DRBD 3-node, DRBD integration with Heartbeat, keepalived, HAProxy, and so on
[16:36] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: drbd 3-node is supported in 9.04
[16:37] <nxvl> mathiaz: when wasn't?
[16:37] <mathiaz> and that creating a team which would look after these specific packages may be a better idea
[16:37] <ivoks> mathiaz: i agree
[16:37] <nijaba> ivoks: I thought DRBD could support up to 8 nodes now?
[16:38] <ivoks> nijaba: maybe some newer versions, but the one in 9.04 supports 3
[16:38] <nijaba> ivoks: ok, thanks
[16:38] <ivoks> nijaba: and that was a major move :)
[16:38] <RoAkSoAx> nijaba, it supports 8 block devices
[16:38] <RoAkSoAx> per each node
[16:38] <ivoks> ah, right...
[16:38] <nijaba> hence the confusion, thanks :)
[16:38] <RoAkSoAx> well anyways, so how we should proceed on these
[16:39] <mathiaz> I'd suggest to create the ubuntu-ha team
[16:39] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: i would love to help with ubuntu-ha team
[16:39] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: but i have couple of questions
[16:39] <mathiaz> and make the team a bug contact for relevant packages
[16:39] <mathiaz> That way you could start to look after the package
[16:40] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: do you think we should support both linuxha and rhcs or just linuxa?
[16:40] <mathiaz> starting by triagging the bugs, then starting fixing them
[16:40] <mathiaz> once you get a handle on the state of the HA package in Ubuntu, we can think about improvements
[16:40] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, well i wouldn't know for sure... most of my work is with linuxha
[16:41] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: ok...
[16:41] <RoAkSoAx> i do know that companies thinks that rhcs is only for red hat based systems
[16:41] <RoAkSoAx> and that is far from bneing the truth
[16:41] <ivoks> cause of the name
[16:41] <ivoks> if apache was called Debian Apache, everybody would think it's debian only :)
[16:41] <RoAkSoAx> indeed
[16:41] <mathiaz> ivoks: RoAkSoAx these discussions could be hold on mailing list
[16:42] <RoAkSoAx> mathiaz, ok :)
[16:42] <nxvl> ivoks: or if ufw was named Ubuntu Firewall
[16:42] <mathiaz> now that LP support mailing list it's easy to get one setup for the ubuntu-ha team
[16:43] <kirkland> mathiaz: i recommend pinging someone in #launchpad as soon as you make the mailing list request ;-)
[16:43] <jdstrand> the 'u' in ufw has always been rather flexible, see /usr/share/doc/ufw/README.gz "What's in a name?" ;)
[16:43] <mathiaz> so to move things forward: create an ubuntu-ha team, create a mailing list for, make the ubuntu-ha team a bug contact for relevant packages and start triagging bugs
[16:44] <RoAkSoAx> ok
[16:44] <mathiaz> RoAkSoAx: would you mind taking this task?
[16:44] <nxvl> jdstrand: i know, that's why i was joking about that :D
[16:44] <jdstrand> nxvl: :)
[16:44] <RoAkSoAx> mathiaz, of course
[16:45] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: i'll join the team
[16:45] <mathiaz> [ACTION] RoAkSoAx to create an ubuntu-ha team, create a mailing list for, make the ubuntu-ha team a bug contact for relevant packages and start triagging bugs
[16:45] <MootBot> ACTION received:  RoAkSoAx to create an ubuntu-ha team, create a mailing list for, make the ubuntu-ha team a bug contact for relevant packages and start triagging bugs
[16:45] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] New HowTo's for the Server Guide, Clustering Related.
[16:45] <MootBot> New Topic:  New HowTo's for the Server Guide, Clustering Related.
[16:46] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, awesome
[16:46] <mathiaz> RoAkSoAx: I think this point is related to the one above.
[16:46] <mathiaz> I'm sure sommer would love help in this area and would accept contributions
[16:46] <RoAkSoAx> mathiaz, indeed, i'll be providing tutoriales of heartbeat v1/v2, integration with drbd, drbd 3 node, keepalived, and so on
[16:47] <mathiaz> RoAkSoAx: Have you looked at the wiki page on help.ubuntu.com/community/ ?
[16:47] <sommer> RoAkSoAx: yes, any help would be awesome
[16:49] <mathiaz> RoAkSoAx: I'd suggest to have a look at the community help pages on h.u.com/community/, find which one are related to HA and review them
[16:50] <RoAkSoAx> mathiaz, will do
[16:51] <mathiaz> [ACTION] RoAkSoAx to look at the wiki pages on h.u.com/community/ and identify the ones relevant to HA
[16:51] <MootBot> ACTION received:  RoAkSoAx to look at the wiki pages on h.u.com/community/ and identify the ones relevant to HA
[16:51] <mathiaz> Anything else related to this topic?
[16:51] <RoAkSoAx> not from me
[16:51] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Open Discussion
[16:51] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Discussion
[16:52] <mathiaz> Anything else to add?
[16:53] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-ha
[16:54] <ivoks> k
[16:55] <nealmcb> ivoks: thanks again for the jaunty work on mail integration, and getting good press for Ubuntu!
[16:55] <nijaba> mathiaz: great mentions in the press lately, I think it is worth a big round of applause
[16:55] <ivoks> nealmcb: :)
[16:55]  * mathiaz cheers at ivoks
[16:56] <nijaba> and dustin too: http://tinyurl.com/dfxqpc
[16:56] <nealmcb> yeah!
[16:56] <nealmcb> the whole team!   Good to have you back, mathiaz!
[16:56] <ivoks> it wasn't that good press :/
[16:56] <nealmcb> press is always iffy.  but even bad press brings eyeballs and progress
[16:56]  * kirkland high fives around!
[16:57] <mathiaz> allright - time to wrap up
[16:57] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Agree on next meeting date and time
[16:57] <MootBot> New Topic:  Agree on next meeting date and time
[16:57] <mathiaz> next week, same time, same place?
[16:58] <sommer> sure
[16:59] <kirkland> mathiaz: ack!
[16:59] <mathiaz> great - see you all next week, same time, same place
[16:59] <RoAkSoAx> see ya guys!
[16:59] <mathiaz> enjoy a beer while admiring jaunty and shaping karmic!
[16:59] <mathiaz> #endmeeting
[16:59] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:59.
[16:59] <ivoks> :)
[16:59] <sommer> later on all
[17:59]  * amitk waves
[18:00] <bradf> Roll Call
[18:00]  * rtg is here
[18:00]  * cking is here
[18:00]  * ikepanhc waves
[18:00] <cooloney> ready
[18:00]  * smb go
[18:00] <bradf> #startmeeting
[18:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 12:00. The chair is bradf.
[18:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[18:00] <bradf> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[18:00] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[18:01] <bradf> [TOPIC] Open Items: "awe to report to kernel-team list with LPIA testing status"
[18:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Items: "awe to report to kernel-team list with LPIA testing status"
[18:01]  * apw phases in
[18:02] <awe> we actually switched over last week to the new netbook-lpia kernel
[18:02] <awe> so testing was successful
[18:02] <apw> so things are under control.  the new tree is working so far.  think we can rip that off the adgenda
[18:03] <bradf> [TOPIC] Open Items: "ogasawara smb_tp apw to discuss regression lists"
[18:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Items: "ogasawara smb_tp apw to discuss regression lists"
[18:03] <apw> smb, not sure we have managed to get to this yet have we?
[18:03] <smb> Hrm, we havn't have we?
[18:03] <smb> Too busy on other stuff...
[18:03] <cking> surely not
[18:04] <apw> bradf, keep that one on to remind us
[18:04] <bradf> apw, maybe for AllHands :)
[18:04] <bradf> [TOPIC] Open Items: "pgraner to schedule a UDS session for X lockup bug squashing"
[18:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Items: "pgraner to schedule a UDS session for X lockup bug squashing"
[18:04] <ogasawara> apw, smb: maybe we can schedule face to face time at UDS
[18:04] <apw> ogasawara, for sure
[18:04] <apw> pgraner is out today
[18:05] <bradf> anyone know if the UDS session was scheduled?
[18:05] <smb> we could let him know by mail
[18:05] <smb> not me
[18:05] <bradf> moving on...
[18:05] <bradf> [TOPIC] Open Items: "manjo to deep dive on suspend/resume bugs to find patterns"
[18:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Items: "manjo to deep dive on suspend/resume bugs to find patterns"
[18:05] <cking> did manjo drown?
[18:05] <manjo> bradf, have not got a chance to look at at that one
[18:05] <bradf> ok
[18:06] <manjo> bradf, I was doing some srus for jaunty last week... will try and get it done this week
[18:06] <bradf> [TOPIC] Open Items: "ogasawara to schedule community bug days to coincide with kernel-team bug days"
[18:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Items: "ogasawara to schedule community bug days to coincide with kernel-team bug days"
[18:06] <ogasawara> bradf: done
[18:06] <ogasawara> although I'll have to wait and see how much participation we actually get
[18:06] <bradf> that's it for Open Items...
[18:07] <bradf> [TOPIC] Security & bugfix kernels: Jaunty
[18:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  Security & bugfix kernels: Jaunty
[18:07] <amitk> do we have many community triagers for kernel bugs?
[18:07] <smb> For those: plan is to have Hardy and Intrepid move from propose to updates soon.
[18:07] <ogasawara> amitk: we do off and on.  so I usually try to send them a personal email to say thanks etc.
[18:08] <smb> Jaunty, I intend to package up and upload the first run to proposed tomorrow
[18:08] <bradf> [TOPIC] Security & bugfix kernels: Others?
[18:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  Security & bugfix kernels: Others?
[18:09] <bradf> [TOPIC] Karmic Status
[18:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  Karmic Status
[18:09] <bradf> any Karmic status anyone wants to report?
[18:09] <rtg> made 1st karmic upload this morning. working on getting armel to build.
[18:10] <rtg> I'll be creating the other karmic packages later today or tomorrow
[18:10] <amitk> rtg: you didn't add imx51 in there, or did you?
[18:10] <rtg> amitk: I haven't changed the flavours.
[18:10] <amitk> rtg: did you port the patch?
[18:10] <rtg> are thwere some you want to drop?
[18:10] <rtg> amitk: which patch?
[18:11] <amitk> rtg: the imx51 patchset
[18:11] <amitk> to 2.6.30rcX
[18:11] <rtg> amitk: I rebased from Jaunty, so its likely still there
[18:11] <amitk> cool
[18:11] <bradf> rtg: are you still using Jaunty toolchain or have you tried the new karmic one?
[18:11] <rtg> Its building using the cross compiler (for armel). everything else built in the karmic chroot
[18:12] <bradf> [TOPIC] ARM Tree
[18:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Tree
[18:12] <bradf> nothing new from me w.r.t. ARM
[18:12] <amitk> /dev/null
[18:12] <bradf> [TOPIC] LPIA Tree
[18:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  LPIA Tree
[18:13] <rtg> amitk: what are we doing with to the arm instruction set for karmic?
[18:13] <rtg> with respect to*
[18:13] <amitk> rtg: no final decisions yet, but it is very likely we will switch to armv7-only
[18:13] <rtg> which will force out some of the flavours, right?
[18:13] <amitk> so all flavours except for imx51 will go away
[18:13] <rtg> ok
[18:13] <cooloney> great
[18:14] <amitk> UDS topic I believe
[18:14] <bradf> anything to report w.r.t. LPIA tree or did we already cover that?
[18:14] <sconklin> all going well, with a couple of releases now
[18:15] <bradf> [TOPIC] Incoming Bugs: Regressions
[18:15] <MootBot> New Topic:  Incoming Bugs: Regressions
[18:15] <apw> well done sconklin
[18:15] <sbeattie> is there a possibility we could get an lpia server kernel?
[18:15] <rtg> sbeattie: for Jaunty?
[18:15] <apw> sbeattie, what would that mean, waht difference
[18:15] <sbeattie> karmic
[18:16] <rtg> sbeattie: a PAE kernel?
[18:16] <sbeattie> more of package consistency than any specific features.
[18:17] <amitk> ?
[18:17] <rtg> sbeattie: I'm thinking for karmic that we'll only have -generic and -generic-bigmem (or something)
[18:17] <sbeattie> rtg: ah, okay.
[18:17] <rtg> no server package for i386 or lpia
[18:17] <smb> amitk, sound like the server installer but normal kernel
[18:17] <ogasawara> re incoming bugs and regressions, I'm reviewing http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/regression/regression_tracker.html
[18:18] <cooloney> rtg, how about numa flavor
[18:18] <rtg> cooloney: I have no particular plans for NUMA
[18:18] <apw> cooloney, there is a uds topic on what flavours we will have
[18:18] <cooloney> ok, no problem
[18:19] <bradf> [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions: Anyone have anything?
[18:19] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Discussion or Questions: Anyone have anything?
[18:20] <apw> all quiet take that as nothing all round
[18:20] <bradf> sounds right to me
[18:20] <bradf> i guess that's it
[18:20] <smb> Yeah, done :)
[18:20] <bradf> #endmeeting
[18:20] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 12:20.
[18:21] <cooloney> thanks
[18:21] <cooloney> bye
[18:21] <cking> bye
[18:21] <awe> ciao
[18:21] <smb> \o


[21:23] <fommil> hi all... the header says to visit ##java for coding questions, but my IRC client doesn't see that room. is it still alive?