[22:31] <zmrow> Howdy everyone!  Naive question: netplan includes a python CLI - is said CLI necessary to package in order to use netplan?  Could I use netplan without it?
[23:11] <whm> I am seeing a netplan failure that I am not sure how to debug.  I have a simple static /etc/netplan/config.yaml file on a ubuntu 20.04 system.  The network does not come with netplan apply, but I can bring it up with dhclient eth0.  What should I be looking at?
[23:34] <whm> Missing /etc/machine-id file was causing systemd-networkd some amount of heartburn.  Running systemd-machine-id-setup fixed the problem.


[08:03] <ginggs> seb128: note libzstd was merged from 1.3.3+dfsg-2 in Debian NEW queue, which was rejected, and a different 1.3.3+dfsg-2 was uploaded. missing at least the udeb stuff
[08:05] <seb128> ginggs, k, then a merge or dropping those changes from Ubuntu as well?
[08:05] <ginggs> seb128: hmm, depends how attached xnox is to those udebs
[11:08] <cpaelzer> Skuggen: sil2100: hiho
[11:08] <Skuggen> o/
[11:08] <cpaelzer> sil2100: I'd want for Skuggen to be able to use bileto
[11:08] <cpaelzer> I know the bileto-users LP group
[11:08] <cpaelzer> but there was something else that my brain doesn't want to remember
[11:08] <cpaelzer> sil2100: do you know what else he'd need to fully use it?
[11:09] <rbasak> For background, Skuggen works for MySQL upstream at Oracle. He generally looks after MySQL packaging in Debian and Ubuntu. He's not an uploader currently but I hope he'll get MySQL PPU soon.
[11:30] <sil2100> Hey! Give me a minute guys
[13:23] <sil2100> cpaelzer: sorry it took so long - so, I guess Skuggen would need to do manual uploads to Bileto, right?
[13:23] <sil2100> Skuggen: do you have any upload rights to the archive right now? Could I get your LP id?
[13:24] <sil2100> Since it's a bit tricky right now, we don't have any hard-written policies who should be able to use Bileto, but we have some rules of the thumb - I actually wanted to bring up the topic of Bileto for a while, but we're still not really certain about its fate
[13:24] <sil2100> Maybe it's time for me to start the topic anyway
[13:26] <sil2100> For general Bileto MP-based usage we mostly only require ubuntu membership, but for manual uploads - well, those we usually only gave to people with at least any upload rights to the archive
[13:26] <sil2100> I think Bileto membership should be also reviewed and decided by the DMB, IMO, and that's also one thing I wanted to discuss
[13:27] <cpaelzer> sil2100: yes he'd want to upload to the bileto ppas then
[13:27] <sil2100> But since Bileto is still in bare maintenance mode, well, I guess we'd first have to decide if we want to invest the DMB's time in Bileto membership control
[13:28] <cpaelzer> rbasak: do you know the current state of Skuggen 's upload permissions
[13:28] <cpaelzer> I know more are about to come, but what does he have like now?
[13:29] <sil2100> In case he has no upload permissions, if he really wants to have Bileto upload rights ASAP then I'd recommend attending a DMB meeting for this
[13:29] <sil2100> And maybe actually following the procedures as per any other upload rights
[13:29] <cpaelzer> sil2100: he might have some, but no core-dev or anything similar wide-reaching
[13:30] <cpaelzer> sil2100: this is mostly to allow him to quickly iterate on uploads and trigger dep8 tests
[13:31] <cpaelzer> sil2100: would there be any alternative way to get the "LP base autopkgtest exec of all deps" that Bileto provides to a non Bileto ppa?
[13:34] <rbasak> He currently has no upload access.
[13:34] <rbasak> He intends to apply for MySQL PPU imminently.
[13:34] <rbasak> https://launchpad.net/~lars-tangvald
[13:35] <sil2100> rbasak, cpaelzer: ok, I think in this case I'd defer to the DMB, I think we'd actually need a normal, formal review as for any other PPU access
[13:35] <rbasak> What are the implications of Bileto access in terms of the Ubuntu archive?
[13:36] <sil2100> rbasak: first of all, the user gains access to devirt builders
[13:37] <sil2100> rbasak: also, since there is no ticket-specific ACL in Bileto, having upload access to Bileto PPAs means anyone can affect any other people's ongoing tickets
[13:38] <rbasak> access to devirt builders> I'd say that's more of a matter for infrastructure maintainers - Canonical and therefore Launchpad admins maybe, rather than the DMB?
[13:38] <sil2100> Meaning a melavolent user could upload something to someone's other PPA, which (even though audited) could go unnoticed and therefore get uploaded to the archive
[13:39] <rbasak> That's a bit tricker.
[13:39] <rbasak> trikier
[13:39] <rbasak> trickier
[13:39] <rbasak> \o/
[13:40] <tkamppeter> cyphermox, hi
[13:40] <Skuggen> I don't think it's very urgent, so maybe try to get MySQL PPU access first
[13:40] <rbasak> Yeah that seems the easiest.
[13:41] <sil2100> The unwritten rule so far was that anyone that has at least PPU access is 'trustworthy' enough to use Bileto
[13:41] <rbasak> We would still need to decide if PPU uploaders are permitted to upload to Bileto in general.
[13:41] <rbasak> OK
[13:41] <rbasak> Then we can just do that.
[13:41] <rbasak> Thanks
[13:41] <Skuggen> Right. Thanks :)
[13:42] <sil2100> Skuggen: sorry about that, hope to see your PPU application soon!
[14:01] <tkamppeter> I have a problem with ppc64el. The build of ghostscript gets stuck on it and the build server kills the process after 2 hours, see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ghostscript/9.23~dfsg+1-0ubuntu1
[14:01] <tkamppeter> slangasek, could you help on this?
[14:11] <acheronuk> tkamppeter: ah. was just asking in #ubuntu-release about that
[14:11] <acheronuk> being retried, though I am not sure that will help
[14:12] <slangasek> in any event, it means the logs are gone now so I can't guess at the problem
[14:14] <ginggs> tkamppeter: ppc64el in ubuntu defaults to building with -O3, I suggest you try building in your PPA forcing -O2 and seeing what happens
[14:16] <acheronuk> slangasek: drat. build currently hung at the same point, which is then killed at the 150 min timeout without much diagnostic to be honest
[14:18] <acheronuk> slangasek: I have the last log open in a browser tab if you want it?
[14:18] <ginggs> acheronuk: the URL might help
[14:18] <ginggs> i don't think they are removed right away
[14:19] <acheronuk> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/382631754/buildlog_ubuntu-cosmic-ppc64el.ghostscript_9.23~dfsg+1-0ubuntu1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[14:33] <Laney> It'd already failed at least one retry, so this one is quite optimistic.
[14:34] <acheronuk> :/
[14:34] <Laney> "10/08 15:33:54 <ubottu> Review: quiet '$~a' set on Wed Aug  1 14:41:29 2018 in #ubuntu-meeting, link: https://ubottu.com/bans.cgi?log=78631"
[14:34] <Laney> Why did the bot just PM me that?
[14:35] <Laney> Oh, it's asking me to review a channel mode change since I'm an op?
[14:36] <Laney> Yes, I approve of this change ✅
[14:49] <tkamppeter> ginggs, I had used PPAs for some tests some years ago, but they only built for amd64 and i386. how can one make them build for ppc64el?
[14:51] <ahasenack> tkamppeter: it's a checkbox in the details page
[14:52] <ginggs> tkamppeter: go to your PPA in launchpad, click on 'Change details', scroll down to Processors and click on the checkboxes
[15:24] <ahasenack> sil2100: hi, I saw the conversation about bileto earlier, and I would also like bileto rights. I have PPU for landscaoe-client, and ubuntu server packageset. my lp id is ~ahasenack
[15:34] <tkamppeter> ahasenack, ginggs, thanks.
[15:52] <sil2100> ahasenack: hey! Ok, I guess I can work with that, one moment
[16:00] <blackboxsw> hrm, anyone know why I might be getting Error checking signature  during a dput operation for a package upload (line 24) https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/Wq3jqvTmgx/?    This is my first time trying to upload with this key (well and a cloud-init upload attempt yesterday)
[16:04] <smoser> blackboxsw: i think it is probalby the local portion of 'dput' that is complaining there.
[16:05] <smoser> it *does* seem to upload.
[16:05] <smoser> blackboxsw: what happens if you just 'gpg --verify ../out/<that-dsc-file>'
[16:07] <blackboxsw> ahhh
[16:07] <blackboxsw> gpg: Good signature from "Chad Smith<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[unknown]
[16:07] <blackboxsw> gpg: WARNING: This key is not certified with a trusted signature!
[16:07] <blackboxsw> gpg:          There is no indication that the signature belongs to the owner
[16:07] <smoser> right. you dont trust yourself.
[16:07] <blackboxsw> I bet I need to edit my signature and add trust
[16:07] <smoser> thats something maybe elizabot can help you with :)
[16:08] <smoser> but if that was the only issue with your cloud-init upload yesterday, i would have expected it to go through
[16:08] <smoser> and it did not seem to.
[16:08] <smoser> curtin did
[16:08] <smoser> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/curtin/18.1-44-g2b12b8fc-0ubuntu1
[16:10] <blackboxsw> hrm ok just cloud-init didn't then
[16:10] <blackboxsw> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/18.3-24-gf6249277-0ubuntu1
[16:10] <blackboxsw> which was prior to me associating by new key with my launchpad account
[16:11] <blackboxsw> ok so I might be able to upload a new version of cloud-init to check
[16:13] <smoser> yeah. that makes sense. but id' have thoguht you'd have gotten a rejection or something.
[16:17] <tkamppeter> ginggs, I have compared the end of the log of the ppc64el build of ghostscript with the log of the build on my amd64 machine. It does not hang on a compiler action biut on an action of creation of simple text files (./soobj/aux/echogs call, echogs source is ./base/echogs.c), so -O3/-O2 replacement on gcc calls is most probably not the solution.
[16:19] <ginggs> tkamppeter: so is echogs.c compiled with -O3 or -O2?
[16:29] <cjwatson> blackboxsw,smoser: you don't get a rejection if the key isn't registered in Launchpad
[16:29] <cjwatson> I mean, not a rejection email
[16:29] <tkamppeter> ginggs, this I have to see when the full log gets released and I succeed to catch it before someone else hits the retry button.
[16:38] <blackboxsw> cjwatson: thanks that explains why I didn't see any email about it
[16:48] <tkamppeter> ginggs, slangasek, ahasenack: The ghostscript build finished and I downloaded the log now. Compilation of base/echogs.c (the first compailation at all) uses BOTH -O2 and -O3, what is actually used then?
[16:48] <tkamppeter> Example gcc command line:
[16:48] <tkamppeter> gcc   -fPIC  -O2 -Wdate-time -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2  -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -Wundef -Wmissing-declarations -Wmissing-prototypes -Wwrite-strings -fno-strict-aliasing -Werror=declaration-after-statement -fno-builtin -fno-common -Werror=return-type -DHAVE_STDINT_H=1 -DHAVE_DIRENT_H=1 -DHAVE_SYS_DIR_H=1 -DHAVE_SYS_TIME_H=1 -DHAVE_SYS_TIMES_H=1 -DHAVE_INTTYPES_H=1 -DHAVE_LIBDL=1 -DGX_COLOR_INDEX_TYPE="unsigned long long" -D__USE
[16:48] <tkamppeter> _UNIX98=1  -g -O3 -fdebug-prefix-map=/<<BUILDDIR>>/ghostscript-9.23~dfsg+1=. -fstack-protector-strong -Wformat -Werror=format-security -DUSE_LIBPAPER -I/usr/include/powerpc64le-linux-gnu -fno-strict-aliasing -Wl,-Bsymbolic-functions -Wl,-z,relro -DHAVE_POPEN_PROTO=1 -DHAVE_POPEN_PROTO=1  -I./base -o ./soobj/aux/echogs ./base/echogs.c  -lm -ldl  -lidn -lpaper -ltiff -rdynamic -lfontconfig -lfreetype -lfreetype   -lz
[16:49] <ahasenack> is that what is failing?
[16:50] <slangasek> tkamppeter: later -O option wins
[16:50] <cjwatson>  If you use multiple '-O' options, with or without level numbers, the
[16:50] <cjwatson> last such option is the one that is effective.
[16:50] <cjwatson> says info gcc
[16:50] <ginggs> tkamppeter: i think the second one overrides the first
[16:57] <tkamppeter> Thanks all, so it is actually -O3.
[16:59] <tkamppeter> ahasenack, the shown gcc command line is not failing. It is the one which builds ./sobin/aux/echogs and what is failing is a call of ./sobin/aux/echogs.
[17:00] <tkamppeter> ahasenack, ginggs, slangasek, the failing echogs line is
[17:00] <tkamppeter> ./soobj/aux/echogs -e .dev -a-  ./soobj/xpswrite -include ./soobj/vector -includ
[17:00] <tkamppeter> e ./soobj/libtiff
[17:01] <tkamppeter> It is always this one, which simply hangs indefinitely and gets killed after one and a half hour by the build server.
[17:02] <tkamppeter> There are tons of other echogs lines before which do not fail.
[17:04] <ginggs> tkamppeter: so what happens if echogs is built with -O2 ?
[17:08] <tkamppeter> ginggs, yes, this I could test via PPA. Need to find out now how to override the system-injected -O3 ...
[17:19] <Laney> tkamppeter: export DEB_CFLAGS_MAINT_APPEND = -O2 in debian/rules probably does it
[17:34] <tkamppeter> Laney, thanks.
[23:53] <tsimonq2> Hah, I'm guessing the advice above can help with what I was just about to ask about...
[23:53] <tsimonq2> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=905868
[23:53] <tsimonq2> First time but probably not the last I'm going to have to set that flag...


[00:01] <harrisonk> its not that I can't switch its that I can't unlock the window
[00:02] <seidos> so you don't have the password?
[00:03] <seidos> harrisonk, i'm looking at the syslog file, what are we looking for?
[00:06] <harrisonk> a crash some where
[00:07] <harrisonk> its a friends computer I am trying to fix
[00:08] <seidos> harrisonk, have you searched the file for the word "error" yet?
[00:08] <harrisonk> I think it has somthing to do with X
[00:08] <harrisonk> I might have, Did you?
[00:09] <seidos> yeah, i'm doing it now.  i don't know what device "sr0" is
[00:09] <seidos> i would think that anything that might have caused the crash would be logged as "error"
[00:10] <harrisonk> I just did and there are lots but They might not be realated to the system crashing
[00:11] <harrisonk> seidos what browser are you using?
[00:11] <seidos> harrisonk, this link http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=678096 says sr0 is probably just a dirty optical drive, so, nevermind that.
[00:11] <seidos> harrisonk, firefox, why?
[00:13] <seidos> harrisonk, when did the system crash?
[00:17] <harrisonk> it crashes often at unexpected times
[00:18] <harrisonk> about the browser in chrome the word search funtion shows where the found words are on the scroll bar
[00:18] <seidos> i don't know, i'm not that good at reading the syslog.  but it doesn't look like it logged anything that is necessarily causing the problem.
[00:18] <seidos> harrisonk, i don't use chrome because i can't select my own colors for web pages
[00:19] <seidos> harrisonk, maybe try to use the system without attaching removable devices, and using the optical drive?  see if you can recreate the problem?
[00:20] <seidos> or just don't use the optical drive, keep the other drives attached
[00:20] <seidos> see if it happens that way
[00:23] <harrison> seidos sorry my laptop battery died
[00:24] <harrisonk> about 2/3 of the way throught the log there are errors galore
[00:24] <seidos> harrisonk, my laptop battery is truly dead.  it can no longer hold a decent charge.
[00:25] <seidos> harrisonk, sr0 i/o errors?
[00:27] <harrisonk> my friend did say that she had problems with the cd drive not reading cds
[00:29] <seidos> well, that could be a hardware problem
[00:30] <seidos> if you have an extra optical drive, you can swap it out see if the errors persist
[00:30] <seidos> maybe the optical drive errors are related to the system crash?
[00:30] <harrisonk> at around sep 7 12:17:42 there might be the sulution to the problem
[00:31] <harrisonk> no the optical drive bearly gets used
[00:34] <seidos> 42.
[00:34] <seidos> i don't know what bonobo-activation-server is.
[00:36] <harrisonk> around there I just picked that time to get to that area
[00:36] <seidos> harrisonk, you might be right.  it does appear that bonobo-activation-server is a necessary component for gnome
[00:37] <harrisonk> also my friend said that banging the mouse around helped with the crashes and right before the gpu hangs the mouse is doing something
[00:37] <seidos> harrisonk, did your friend upgrade her kernel?  maybe try booting with a different kernel from grub?  i noticed i915 errors also
[00:39] <harrisonk> it happened right from the start with 10.04. 9.10 worked perfectly except the usb modem she recived doesn't connect in 9.10
[00:39] <seidos> harrisonk, can you do an alt-f1 to got a terminal when the desktop sessions crashes?
[00:39] <harrisonk> no
[00:40] <harrisonk> it goes to a screen with the ubuntu above the 5 dots and flashes betwean that and a screen with black bars
[00:41] <seidos> i've had bad luck with 10.04 as well.  i thought it was my hardware though.
[00:41] <seidos> harrisonk, is it a desktop? or a laptop?
[00:42] <seidos> if you can't get to the login screen, then the error is occurring before xorg.
[00:44] <harrisonk> its a desktop
[00:44] <harrisonk> she can login and do things like that its just the desktop crashes from time to time
[00:47] <harrisonk> seidos you might be right about the sr0 being some of the problem
[00:48] <seidos> harrisonk, i don't know.  i didn't catch those i915 errors.  it would be interesting to see if the system could run in a terminal without crashing.
[00:49] <seidos> it sounds like a video driver error.  i don't know about the i915, i'm pretty sure the drivers are included in the kernel.
[00:49] <seidos> i have an intel gm960/965
[00:51] <harrisonk> in one of the logs she sent me I found that device sr0 had a problem right before the system rebooted but in the log you see it looks diferent
[00:51] <harrisonk> the other log is: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/489758/
[00:53] <harrisonk> what was that ubuntuforums thread about sr0?
[00:58] <seidos> harrisonk, it just said that sr0 is usually an optical drive
[00:58] <seidos> harrisonk, i have to wash dishes, brb
[00:59] <harrisonk> okay
[01:06] <seidos> harrisonk, i'm back
[01:06] <harrisonk> that was quick
[01:06] <harrisonk> for washing dishes
[01:06] <seidos> there weren't that many
[01:07] <harrisonk> I found the ubuntuforums page
[01:08] <seidos> harrisonk, i don't see how sr0 would cause a desktop crash.  let me clarify, it crashes the whole system?  so is it a freeze or a reset?
[01:08] <harrisonk> a freeze
[01:09] <harrisonk> the reboot is by the button on the front of the computer
[01:09] <seidos> harrisonk, have you considered installing the karmic kernel, to see what that does?
[01:09] <seidos> harrisonk, a reset can occur as a result of an error
[01:09] <harrisonk> ?
[01:09] <harrisonk> Karmic is already installed
[01:10] <seidos> harrisonk, earlier you said 10.04 was installed.  you are using kernel 2.6.32, that's the lucid kernel
[01:11] <seidos> harrisonk, 9.10 is karmic koala, 10.04 is lucid lynx?
[01:11] <harrisonk> sorry I had a mixup there
[01:11] <harrisonk> it's 8 PM here and I am not quite awake
[01:11] <seidos> well, actually, using the karmic kernel in 10.04 is probably a bad idea
[01:12] <seidos> some software might not work.  it would probably be better just to install 9.10 again.
[01:12] <harrisonk> what about installing the lucid kernel in karmic?
[01:13] <seidos> harrisonk, you would still have problems with certain software packages, i mean, it's your system, you can try whatever you want, really.
[01:13] <seidos> harrisonk, i had installed kernel 2.6.30 in jaunty, and couldn't get virtual box to work, but otherwise the system was fine.
[01:14] <harrisonk> 9.10 won't work unless an at&t usb modem works with it.
[01:14] <seidos> the at&t usb modem works with 10.04?
[01:14] <harrisonk> yes
[01:14] <harrisonk> not 9.10
[01:14] <seidos> my thinking is that the problem you are having is caused by a driver issue with the i915 graphics chip in the system
[01:14] <harrisonk> posibly
[01:15] <seidos> you could try kernel 2.6.32 in karmic, just to confirm if the problem is with the kernel
[01:15] <seidos> if it is, you should create a bug in launchpad.  i could help with you with creating the bug if you'd like.
[01:15] <harrisonk> the expantion is limited to 3 pci slots, so to use a video card it would be a pci one
[01:16] <harrisonk> yes please, its just the computer is an hour away
[01:17] <harrisonk> would that be a problem?
[01:18]  * harrisonk is away for a moment
[01:19] <seidos> harrisonk, the computer being an hour away, i don't know if it's a problem.  is it a problem for you?
[01:21] <johnny_> I'm trying to install vmware server on ubuntu server and I'm Stuck
[01:21]  * harrisonk is back
[01:22] <harrisonk> lets go with the bug report
[01:24] <seidos> harrisonk, all right.  http://launchpad.net/ubuntu.  you can search to see if there is already a bug for your problem.
[01:25] <johnny_> Can anyone help with getting vmware for ubuntu installed?
[01:25] <seidos> johnny_, vmware isn't free software is it?
[01:25] <johnny_> Yes
[01:26] <seidos> johnny_, does vmware offer support?
[01:26] <johnny_> They provide you with a key for both windows and linux
[01:26] <johnny_> yes they charge for it.
[01:27] <johnny_> I want to play aroud with it and see how it works
[01:27] <seidos> johnny_, you could try #vmware.  they might be more help.
[01:27] <johnny_> o'okay thatnsk
[01:29] <seidos> harrisonk, sorry, here's a more specific link
[01:32] <seidos> harrisonk, are you suspending the system before it crashes?
[01:33] <harrisonk> no you can be working away and poof it crashes
[01:40] <harrisonk> seidos still there?
[01:41] <seidos> harrisonk, yeah, i'm search launchpad to see if someone else created a bug similar to yours, but i can't find anything.
[01:43] <harrisonk> okay did you search for i915
[01:44] <seidos> harrisonk, yeah, i searched for "i915 crash" and "10.04 crash" but nothing really seems like a hit
[01:44] <seidos> harrisonk, what kind of video chipset do you have on your personal system?
[01:45] <harrisonk> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/528467
[01:45] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 528467 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "[i855] GPU hung (drm i915 intel) on Lucid Lynx (affects: 74) (dups: 2) (heat: 246)" [High,Confirmed]
[01:46] <harrisonk> I honestly don't know.
[01:48] <seidos> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/563455
[01:48] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 563455 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "Xorg crashes (affects: 1) (heat: 26)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[01:48] <bobo123> If I have a movie-dvd that ubuntu refuses to read, what can I do? (I can see other movie-dvds and play them in vlc)
[01:48] <seidos> harrisonk, in this bug, a reinstall of lucid is said to fix the problem.
[01:49] <seidos> bobo123, er, i've heard of this problem before.  i think there is a directory that you have to empty or something
[01:50] <bobo123> ok....?
[01:51] <bobo123> some .hidden directoy in my homedirectory or?
[01:52] <seidos> bobo123, scratch that.  i don't remember now.  i am checking the forums:  http://ubuntu-virginia.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1264978
[01:52] <bobo123> ok
[01:52] <harrisonk> seidos what bug?
[01:54] <seidos> harrisonk, this bug:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/563455
[01:54] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 563455 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "Xorg crashes (affects: 1) (heat: 26)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[01:55] <seidos> harrisonk, was going to ask, was your install an upgrade to 10.04 from karmic?  or a clean install?
[01:59] <seidos> bobo123, from http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-194469.html:  Looks like you don't have libdvdread3 installed. You can search for it in Synaptic. Install it.
[01:59] <seidos> Then run "sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh".
[02:04] <harrisonk> seidos I submited a bug.
[02:05] <harrisonk> I will wait and see what happens and maybe come back here and ask again.
[02:05]  * harrisonk is offline
[02:09] <bobo123> seidos: I have libdvdread4 installed though... but no 3
[02:12] <seidos> bobo123, what error do you get?  i am just going to google it, since i don't watch dvd discs on my laptop.
[02:13] <stlsaint> bobo123: what aer you trying to do?
[02:14] <stlsaint> bobo123: do you have libdvdcss installed
[02:15] <stlsaint> bobo123: your going to need that ^^ to play encrypted movies
[02:15] <bobo123> yes I have libdvdread4, libdvdnav4 and libdvdcss2 installed
[02:16] <stlsaint> brb shower time
[02:16] <seidos> bobo123, can you take a screen shot of the error and post it on http://imagebin.org?
[02:16] <seidos> i just need something specific to search for on google.
[02:17] <bobo123> when I play other dvds (and they work fines), when I insert them in to the drive the filemanager opens a window for that disk btw, but not when I insert this disk. I have played it on another computer with windows so it shouldn't be a bad disk. (I havent tried with windows on this computer though)
[02:18] <bobo123> ok I make some screenshots
[02:18] <seidos> i just want the specific error in totem, if there is one
[02:18] <seidos> and what movie
[02:20] <pedro3005> bobo123, do you have ubuntu-restricted-extras installed?
[02:23] <bobo123> wait while I look.
[02:25] <bobo123> http://imagebin.org/113307   small errormessage in swedish that isn't verry important.
[02:25] <bobo123> http://imagebin.org/113308  the message window ← this is the interesting one I guess
[02:25] <bobo123> http://imagebin.org/113309  the message window but with information level set to 2 instead
[02:27] <bobo123> If I check 'no dvd-menus' checkbox I get these instead: http://imagebin.org/113311  and  http://imagebin.org/113313
[02:29] <stlsaint> yea, gotta get those ubuntu-restricted-extras
[02:31] <seidos> bobo123, a quick way, just type "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras" in terminal
[02:32] <bobo123> pedro3005: no I don't have the metapackage ubuntu-restricted-extras installed since I don't want to have java installed. The packages that is non-java that it depends on seems to be gstreamer0.10-pitfdll, gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse, gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse, libmp4v2-0. It allso mentions upgrading of 'tzdata'. Perhaps I should install those?
[02:33] <pedro3005> bobo123, couldn't hurt
[02:42] <bobo123> seidos, pedro3005, now I have installed them but no difference.
[02:42] <seidos> bobo123, why not install ubuntu-restricted-extras, see if that fixes the problem, if it does, you can remove the java stuff you don't want?
[02:45] <bobo123> seidos: I have installed all ubuntu-restricted-extras that is not java now so it shouldn't mather now...
[02:46] <aveilleux> seidos, bobo123: What seems to be the problem?
[02:46] <bobo123> when I try open it in gnome mplayer instead of vlc I get this message "Couldn't open DVD device:  to socket. mplayer: No such file or directory. Failed to open LIRC support. You will not be able to use your remote control. libdvdread: Using libdvdcss version 1.2.10 for DVD access. libdvdread: Could not open /dev/dvd with libdvdcss. libdvdread: Can't open /dev/dvd for reading. Couldn't open DVD device: /dev/dvd (No medium found).  It allso says EDITION ATLAS (c)2007 nomet management services (c)2007 ASTER
[02:53] <bobo123> allso is printed on it PAL and ALL ZONES
[02:54] <bobo123> aveilleux: yes
[02:55] <seidos> bobo123, did you install w32codecs?  it is supposed to be included in ubuntu-restricted-extras
[02:55] <aveilleux> bobo123: It sounds like the DVD you're trying to play isn't encoded for the US (NTSC is most of North America)
[02:56] <seidos> bobo123, i'm assuming you are using a standard 32bit install of ubuntu
[03:00] <bobo123> aveilleux: it was libdvdread4/install-css though, not 3... I guess it is just newer? here is the output from when I was running that; http://paste.ubuntu.com/490669/
[03:01] <bobo123> seidos: yes it is standard 32bit ubuntu 10.04
[03:01] <aveilleux> bobo123: Wait, you're Swedish? That would have been nice to know haha. Disregard my conclusion.
[03:03] <bobo123> seidos: I can't find any package w32codecs in synaptic... perhaps I am missing some repository?
[03:04] <seidos> bobo123, try "sudo apt-get install w32codecs" in a terminal
[03:05] <aveilleux> bobo123: You have to install the Medibuntu repository. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu
[03:07] <bobo123> seidos: when I do it answers http://paste.ubuntu.com/490672/   that translated to english whould be "Package w32codecs is not available, but another package refers to it. This could mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is available from other sources E: Package w32codecs has no installation candidate"
[03:08] <bobo123> aveilleux: yeah I will try Medibuntu repository now
[03:18] <seidos> bobo123, if that doesn't work, you can try out this guide for anything we all might have missed:  http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Lucid#DVD_Playback_Capability
[03:23] <bobo123> now I have installed medibuntu-repository and w32codecs. seems to be a nice pack of divx/quicktime/realvideo/windowsmedia etc codecs
[03:25]  * bobo123 wishes the authentication keys for all these extra repositories was in ubuntu from the start.... (not the repositories but the the keys)
[03:25] <seidos> i think i'm going to have to install some food in a minute :)
[03:25] <bobo123> hehehe
[03:25] <seidos> bobo123, me too, but i think there are copyright problems. :(
[03:27] <bdogg> can someone help me out with rhythmbox plugin?
[03:27] <bdogg> the upnp one?
[03:27] <seidos> bdogg, i would, but i don't know what upnp is
[03:28] <bdogg> http://coherence.beebits.net/wiki/RhythmBox
[03:28] <bobo123> upnp is a somewhat badly named protocol for punching holes in your firewall/homerouter
[03:28] <bdogg> this plugin
[03:29] <seidos> oh, *that* upnp.  universal plug 'n play?
[03:29] <bdogg> i just want to stream my music to my xbox
[03:29] <bdogg> but i dont know how to configure the plugin to do that
[03:29] <bobo123> I can't think of anya other upnp ... are there others?
[03:30] <seidos> bobo123, probably not.  i was just surprised to hear it.  i haven't heard it in awhile, and didn't know it related to rhythmbox
[03:30] <bdogg> its included with the maverick rhythmbox
[03:30] <seidos> bdogg, can't you just use samba to share your files on your network, then tell your xbox to play them from there?
[03:31] <seidos> files == mp3 files
[03:31] <bdogg> O.o
[03:31] <bdogg> whats samba
[03:31] <bobo123> I guess if you want to stream *from* rhythmbox (didn't know it was possible) to a computer *outside* your home network, you would need upnp (or open up the ports manually), but I guess your xbox are at your home? you shouldn't need upnp then.... right?
[03:31] <seidos> samba is a file server for sharing files.  i haven't used it in years though, but i think it should work.
[03:31] <bdogg> yes
[03:32] <bdogg> so samba?
[03:32] <bdogg> any tips?
[03:32] <seidos> bobo123, that's true, it would be on the same LAN
[03:32] <bdogg> yes its on the same network
[03:32] <seidos> bdogg, you could try sudo apt-get install samba, then google for "ubuntu samba guide"
[03:32] <bdogg> will do
[03:32] <seidos> bdogg, good luck, come back and let us know how it goes :)
[03:33] <bdogg> kk
[03:33] <seidos> brb need to install food into my stomach
[03:33] <bobo123> bdogg: (samba = smb = cifs = the normal file&printer sharing in windows etc)
[03:33] <bdogg> sudo apt-get install sandwich?
[03:34] <bobo123> :-D
[03:34] <seidos> sudo apt-get install sandwich && sudo apt-get install tornado
[03:34] <bdogg> lol why tornado?
[03:34] <bdogg> is that some sort of snack or somthing?
[03:35] <seidos> tornado is like this brand of taquito
[03:35] <bdogg> chips?
[03:35] <bdogg> whats taquito? lol im hispanic... tacos?
[03:35] <bdogg> lol
[03:35] <bobo123> they swirl around in your stomach around round round... or? ;-)
[03:36] <seidos> kind of like this:  http://www.elmonterey.com/mexicanrecipes/quickcombos/
[03:37] <seidos> why am i still sitting here?!
[03:37] <bdogg> lol go! go eat!
[04:19] <bobo123> I hope the sandwich&tornado was good seidos :-)
[04:19] <seidos> bobo123, it was good thanks for asking.
[04:22] <bobo123> Now that I'v read some more I guess the unplayable dvd here is probably having some evil™ copy protection like ARccOS or something I guess so we can't see it without using some special (windows) ripping program first :-/
[04:23] <seidos> bobo123, only a windows ripping program?  for your kid dvd?
[04:33] <bobo123> I don't know. I guess there must be something for linux too.
[04:33] <seidos> bobo123, i don't know, there was something about dvd ripping software in ubuntu in that guide i sent you.
[04:33] <bobo123> and strange that least interesting things are hardest too see :-D
but i closed it</whisper>
[04:33] <bobo123> hehe
[04:34] <seidos> bobo123, it's like that with other least interesting things.  like math.  it is hard for me to see math.
[04:34] <bobo123> hahaha
[04:37] <bobo123> oh math is simple. 1+2*3 and differentials of functions...
[04:38] <seidos> it's easy for me up until double and triple integrals.
[04:38] <Sharla> I am having problems with my wireless connection
[04:38] <seidos> well, as long as i can remember the axioms and theorems
[04:38] <seidos> Sharla, what ver of ubuntu?
[04:38] <Sharla> Netbook remix
[04:39] <aveilleux> Sharla: What kind of problems are you having?
[04:39] <aveilleux> Sharla: Also, which version of UNR... 9.10, 10.04, etc
[04:39] <Sharla> it won't connect. it acts like it is searching, then says disconnected
[04:39] <aveilleux> Sharla: Do you use encryption/security on your wireless network
[04:39] <aveilleux> ?*
[04:39] <seidos> hmmm, i've had that happen with my wireless chipset
[04:40] <seidos> it's an atheros 5001
[04:40] <Sharla> I just downloaded it a few weeks ago
[04:40] <Sharla> i am new to this so i don't know what version
[04:40] <aveilleux> Sharla: So you're using 10.04.
[04:41] <Sharla> the network is encrypted, and I don't get an error when I type my passphrase
[04:41] <aveilleux> Sharla: Can you open Terminal and run the following command: lspci -v | less
[04:41] <aveilleux> Sharla: Then paste the output at http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/.
[04:41] <aveilleux> er, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/ (without the period)
[04:45] <Sharla> after the first command, it won't let me type the http://pastebin.ubuntu.com
[04:45] <aveilleux> Sharla: Try this. lspci -v | less > wireless.txt
[04:46] <aveilleux> Sharla: Then upen your Home directory (Places > Home Folder) and open the text file wireless.txt
[04:46] <aveilleux> Then paste its contents into the box at http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/
[04:46] <aveilleux> upen -> open
[04:46] <Sharla> that command didn't do anything
[04:47] <seidos> Sharla, lspci | grep Ethernet in a terminal?
[04:47] <Sharla> i don't think i know enough about programming to even be in here. :(
[04:48] <Sharla> i was advised to install ubuntu on my new netbook because it would take less memory than windows but i didn't realize it would be troublesome to set up
[04:48] <Sharla> i appreciate the help guys but i have no idea what any of it means.
[04:48] <seidos> Sharla, we're trying to figure out what wireless chipset you have.
[04:48] <seidos> Sharla, there's no problem.  we're all just sharing our computer experience :)
[04:49] <aveilleux> Sharla: I'm not asking you to program. Do you know how to copy text from the Terminal?
[04:49] <Sharla> i know and I appreciate it
[04:49] <Sharla> well I'm chatting on my desktop
[04:49] <Sharla> with my netbook in front of me
[04:49] <seidos> Sharla, would you like to start with something simpler?
[04:49] <Sharla> sure, like what?
[04:50] <seidos> Sharla, is there a button or a switch to turn off the wireless on your netbook?
[04:50] <Sharla> yes, and i did try to make sure it is on
[04:50] <Sharla> the light was flashing earlier when it was trying to connect
[04:50] <aveilleux> Sharla: Are you making sure all the symbols are correct? | is a bar, not a lowercase L.
[04:50] <Sharla> Yes, I typed it that way
[04:50] <Sharla> are they case sensitive?
[04:51] <aveilleux> Sharla: Yes, very
[04:51] <aveilleux> Sharla: All commands in Linux are lowercase, with a few exceptions
[04:51] <Sharla> OK that is how i typed it
[04:51] <Sharla> i will try to log in to chat on the netbook since i'm wired in right now.
[04:51] <aveilleux> Sharla: Can you get to your Home folder? It's like My Documents in Windows.
[04:52] <Sharla> OK
[04:53] <Sharla> looking at it now
[04:53] <Sharla> it only has one other folder in it, the one withmy username
[04:53] <aveilleux> Erm, yes. That's the one I'm talking about.
[04:53] <Sharla> OK
[04:53] <aveilleux> Sharla: See the file wireless.txt in it?
[04:54] <Sharla> yes
[04:54] <sthd56> hello
[04:55] <sthd56> could anyone help me setup a ubuntu vps?
[04:55] <aveilleux> Sharla: Open it, then copy and paste its contents into the pastebin I linked earlier
[04:55] <aveilleux> sthd56: Is this a standard Ubuntu install?
[04:55] <sthd56> yea, it's already installed I'm just trying to change the port which putty connects on
[04:56] <sthd56> i tried editing the sshd_config but i keep getting fatal errors when using that port
[04:56] <Sharla> OK I am going to try switching to chat from the netbook
[04:56] <Sharla> do you need ALL the info in that wireless text file?
[04:56] <Sharla> is that safe?
[04:57] <aveilleux> Sharla: nothing in there can bring you any harm. It's just hardware diagnostic information.
[04:57] <Sharla> OK
[04:57] <Sharla> OK that's me, firecracker. Logging out on this screen.
[04:57] <sdrennan> Can anyone tell me how to change my time zone?
[04:57] <aveilleux> sdrennan: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuTime
[04:57] <sdrennan> Thanks let me look there
[04:58] <aveilleux> sthd56: Networking in general isn't my strong point, but here's a good starting point for VPNs https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VPN
[04:58] <firecracker> ok pasted
[04:58] <aveilleux> firecracker: I need the Pastebin link to look at it....
[04:59] <firecracker> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/490708/
[04:59] <aveilleux> sthd56: Wait no, you said VPS, not VPN. My mistake.
[05:00] <sthd56> yea
[05:00] <seidos> Sarla, we have the same wireless chip :)
[05:00] <sthd56> right now im connecting with putty on the default port 22 and I would like to change that
[05:00] <aveilleux> sthd56: http://forums.spry.com/centos-fedora-redhat/98-change-ssh-port.html  This forum post was linked to from a guide I found
[05:01] <sthd56> ok i'll take a look thanks
[05:01] <firecracker> seidos: is that a good thing? should i not be having any trouble with it?
[05:01] <sdrennan> I don't have the option to adjust time and date. System/Admin/Time and Date is ghosted. It doesn't give me an option to authenticate.
[05:01] <aveilleux> sdrennan: Is this the normal Ubuntu install, or Netbook Remix?
[05:02] <sdrennan> Normal on a notebook
[05:02] <aveilleux> sdrennan: Let me get my Ubuntu machine up
[05:02] <seidos> firecracker, we have the same wireless chip.  what works for me when i can't connect to the access point, is i have to turn off wireless on the network icon by right clicking and de-selecting wireless, then i have to turn off the wireless button/switch on the outside of my laptop.  leave it for a few seconds, then turn everything back on, and it works \o/
[05:03] <firecracker> interesting
[05:03] <sthd56> that guide seems to be for redhat how do i reload a service in ubuntu?
[05:03] <firecracker> wonder if i can try that without unplugging the wire?
[05:03] <aveilleux> sthd56: sudo service <name> restart
[05:03] <seidos> firecracker, yeah, shouldn't be a problem
[05:03] <sthd56> ok thanks
[05:03] <seidos> firecracker, it's a good thing because i know a work around, as for whether you should have problems, that's kind of a political/philosophical/technological question O_o
[05:04] <sdrennan> aveilleux I have ran TXSELECT at the prompt but I no speak the Lynux language
[05:04] <sdrennan> :)
[05:04] <firecracker> well i have three motorcycles, two jeeps and two vintage vehicles. so i am used to workarounds and stuff that breaks. i am just clueless when it comes to electronics
[05:05] <seidos> firecracker, i used to have a ninja 250, but i had to sell it :(
[05:05] <sthd56> ok the port was changed thank you so much
[05:05] <aveilleux> sdrennan: txselect? Just run sudo dpkg-reconfigure yzdata
[05:05] <aveilleux> sdrennan: that
[05:05] <aveilleux> 's so much easier
[05:05] <firecracker> my marauder is about ready to go down the road
[05:05]  * aveilleux fumes at the stupid location of the Mac's Return key
[05:05] <seidos> maurader?  what is it like 1200cc?
[05:06] <firecracker> 800
[05:06] <firecracker> it is the cursed bike
[05:06] <sdrennan> ment TZSELECT i'll try  sudo dpkg-reconfigure yzdata
[05:06] <seidos> my clutch lever broke on my ninja 250 when i had it.  i replaced it myself, thankfully they had the part at the shop.
[05:07] <seidos> firecracker, i'm scared to ask, but did it work?
[05:07] <firecracker> not yet
[05:07] <firecracker> it is still trying
[05:07] <aveilleux> sdrennan: but it's a GUI-based system... what do you need help with?
[05:07] <firecracker> it has asked me for my passphrase twice
[05:07] <firecracker> and the little waves are still going
[05:07] <sdrennan> Can't change time zone
[05:08] <sdrennan>  sudo dpkg-reconfigure yzdata says not installed
[05:08] <aveilleux> sdrennan: Did you sudo?
[05:08] <aveilleux> ....
[05:08] <aveilleux> tzdata
[05:08] <seidos> firecracker, it asked for your pass phrase twice, that's a bad sign.  when i turn off wireless in software, then turn off the hardware switch, after i turn both back on, it works fine.
[05:08] <aveilleux> not yzdata
[05:08] <sdrennan> going back in
[05:09] <sdrennan> what does "must be run as root" mean
[05:10] <aveilleux> sdrennan: It means put "sudo" in front of the command, like I said the first time
[05:11] <firecracker> Ok i disabled the wireless
[05:11] <firecracker> but now i can't get it to come back on
[05:12] <sdrennan> I'm not used to this language but it says its where i want it. Will I have to restart to change the time on the clock?
[05:13] <aveilleux> sdrennan: Logging out and logging back in should do it.
[05:13] <sdrennan> Thanks a million. let me see what happens.
[05:16] <firecracker> leaving briefly to restart machine
[05:16] <firecracker> not letting me turnt he wireless back on
[05:16] <seidos> firecracker, well, rebooting should definitely get it working again, but the trick is to get it working without rebooting :/
[05:23] <dirgan> hello
[05:23] <aveilleux> hello dirgan
[05:26] <firecracker> no luck
[05:26] <dirgan> hello everybody
[05:26] <firecracker> about ready to pitch this thing out the door
[05:27] <seidos> firecracker, restarting didn't get it connect to your wireless network?
[05:28] <firecracker> no.
[05:28] <firecracker> twice.
[05:28] <firecracker> and now i'm getting the "i told you so" speech
[05:28] <firecracker> but i already erased windows from my machine
[05:28] <firecracker> and i just want to use my computer
[05:28] <firecracker> sorry
[05:28] <seidos> well, you made the morally correct choice.
[05:29] <seidos> unless you're really a fan of the bill and melinda gates foundation O_o
[05:29] <aveilleux> firecracker: Just making sure, did you make sure to flip the switch back on and re-enable the wireless by right-clicking the icon?
[05:29] <seidos> firecracker, i'm trying to think of the next step.
[05:29] <aveilleux> firecracker: You can't do this if the machine is plugged in, I don't think
[05:30] <firecracker> oh i thought i could???
[05:30] <firecracker> Yes i did both of those steps
[05:30] <seidos> firecracker, i could've been wrong.  i haven't actually tried it on my laptop.
[05:30] <firecracker> Ok going to unplug and try it
[05:30] <seidos> firecracker, i assumed the ubuntu magic would let you connect to the wireless network.
[05:31] <firecracker> if only
[05:31] <seidos> let me try it here at home, and see what happens
[05:36] <firecracker> well
[05:36] <firecracker> apparently it was the router itself.
[05:36] <firecracker> rebooted that, and voila.
[05:36] <firecracker> *#&@$^(@*(@!*!@#*&@#*&!(@(*!^#@W$^*(@#!( hardware.
[05:38] <firecracker> sorry for the dumb questions, and thanks everyone for your help.
[05:39] <dirgan> may i Ask why geforce 8400 gs won' work for 10.04 version?
[05:42] <seidos> well, that was an interesting experiment
[05:42] <seidos> it looks like connecting to wired while i was already connected to wireless disconnected me from irc?
[05:42] <seidos> i had two ip's though according to ifconfig
[05:42] <aveilleux> dirgan: The 8400 GS is supported through the nvidia-glx driver
[05:43] <dirgan> no its not mate..
[05:43] <dirgan> compiz won't work tough
[05:43] <aveilleux> dirgan: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/i386/nvidia-glx-185/185.18.36-0ubuntu9
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[10:24] <Silver_Fox_> I wear a ring,  am I in danger?
[10:24] <smeag0l> hahahahaha lol
[10:24] <smeag0l> no because i got the one ring to rule em all and in darkness bind em together
[10:25] <Silver_Fox_> My precious....
[10:25] <smeag0l> you i am really not gollum i am frodo underhill :)
[10:25] <Silver_Fox_> I wants it
[10:25] <smeag0l> *se
[10:25] <smeag0l> it came to us why shouldn t we want it
[10:27] <Silver_Fox_> Anyone seen google today? That page refresh is annoying
[10:28] <smeag0l> no i haven t
[10:28] <pedro3005> Silver_Fox_, yes, I saw tha
[10:28] <pedro3005> that*
[10:28] <pedro3005> google instant, they call it
[10:28] <Silver_Fox_> Yep,  I call it annoying. It is now disabled
[10:30]  * smeag0l is looking forward to 02:30 pm music teaching :-)
[10:30] <pedro3005> smeag0l, you're teaching?
[10:30] <Silver_Fox_> You play an instrument ?
[10:30] <smeag0l> i am being tought ! guitar and maybe i will learn to play drums
[10:31] <pedro3005> that's nice, I play guitar and drums
[10:31] <pedro3005> how long have you been playing?
[10:31] <smeag0l> cool pedro3005 :)
[10:31] <smeag0l> since 2007
[10:31] <pedro3005> also, drums is harder than it looks, don't be fooled. I've heard people saying they think drums should be easy
[10:32] <smeag0l> no drums i just started 3 weeks ago
[10:32] <Silver_Fox_> I have a guitar. I suck at it though ;)
[10:33] <smeag0l> i know pedro3005 but yo know The world is full of facinating problems waiting to be solved
[10:33] <Silver_Fox_> Much better on Piano though
[10:33] <pedro3005> I think drums can be very fun to play in a band, but a guitar is more fun to play alone
[10:33] <Puck`> and girls love the guitarist more
[10:33] <Puck`> :P
[10:33] <Silver_Fox_> Really?
[10:33] <Silver_Fox_> Interesting
[10:33] <smeag0l> yes a giutar is a very nice instrument to play alone
[10:34] <pedro3005> smeag0l, you play acoustic or electric?
[10:34] <smeag0l> both
[10:34] <Silver_Fox_> =]
[10:34] <pedro3005> smeag0l, there's a very nice Bach piece to play on the acoustic, called Bourrée
[10:34] <smeag0l> got 4 guitars
[10:34] <smeag0l> okay i didnt know that
[10:34] <pedro3005> http://www.scribd.com/doc/6207525/Bourree-in-E-minor-BWV-996-for-Guitar-sheet-music-and-TAB- :)
[10:35] <smeag0l> thank you Silver_Fox_ :)
[10:35] <pedro3005> I've been trying to learn it
[10:36] <smeag0l> sweet
[10:36] <pedro3005> it's so beautiful, Bach was damn good
[10:36] <smeag0l> i personally Love Vivaldi The Four Seasons
[10:37] <smeag0l> dont really know Bach
[10:37] <Silver_Fox_> oh my
[10:38] <Silver_Fox_> Bcah is brilliant!
[10:38] <Silver_Fox_> So's Bach ;)
[10:39] <smeag0l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V92OBNsQgxU Wagner - RIDE OF THE VALKYRIES - Furtwangler
[10:41] <Silver_Fox_> WIN
[10:54] <smeag0l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhaFINynWqY&feature=related Stairway to Heaven on classical guitar
[11:00] <smeag0l> gtg cyal
[13:07] <belkyns> How much need HDD space for ubuntu 10.04?
[13:07] <belkyns> sorry for my english
[13:09] <Mohan_chml> belkyns: 15 Gb will be (more than) enough. and if you have low RAM size allocate swap area
[17:01] <Abhijeet> kernel accidently deleted in ubuntu 10.10 grub menu  not showing the kernel how can i recover my files
[17:02] <Silver_Fox_> Try using a live cd / usb
[17:03] <Abhijeet> can i install the kernel using the grub menu
[17:03] <Silver_Fox_> None of the older kernals are listed?
[17:03] <Silver_Fox_> Just to be clear
[17:04] <Abhijeet> no only memory diagnostic menu is displayed
[17:06] <Abhijeet> pleae hlp me
[17:12] <hobgoblin> Abhijeet: did you actually delete the kernel?
[17:12] <hobgoblin> or just from grub ?
[17:14] <Abhijeet> i don't know but when i restarted there was nothing in the grub menu , there was only the memory diagnostic tools and the windows xp menu .
[17:15] <hobgoblin> mmm - could be a bug in 10.10 as it's not released to production and has only just gone beta - #ubuntu+1 might be a useful port of call
[17:16] <Abhijeet> but ive been using it from one month
[17:16] <hobgoblin> or a trawl of the maverick forum even - http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=385
[17:17] <hobgoblin> well I have to say if you can't deal with this then maybe you should be using a released version and not a development one
[17:17] <hobgoblin> Abhijeet: maybe try a chroot from a livecd and then install the kernels from there
[17:18] <Abhijeet> please gime details of the 'chroot'
[17:18] <Silver_Fox_> !chroot
[17:18] <ubot2> A chroot is used to make programs believe that the directory they are running in is really the root directory. It can be used to stop programs accessing files outside of that directory, or for compiling 32bit applications in a 64bit environment - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicChroot
[17:18] <hobgoblin> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicChroot
[17:21] <Abhijeet> how linux kernel can be installed using chroot
[17:25] <hobgoblin> Abhijeet: I've never used it I'm afraid - but I think that once you have the chroot environment you should be able to use apt-get or aptitude to install the kernel, assuming that you have installed aptitude as it appears to not be a default anymore
[17:27] <Abhijeet> please give me proper sequence, as im knew to  ubuntu
[17:28] <hobgoblin> Abhijeet: I don't know - and again I wonder at the wisdom in using a dev version - try the dev channel - #ubuntu+1
[17:28] <hobgoblin> that is the maverick channel at the moment
[17:30] <hobgoblin> whatever you do I think you need to boot with the livecd for it - you might - if the kernel files are actually installed be able to boot from a grub command line - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Using%20CLI%20to%20Boot
[17:30] <hobgoblin> apart from that I am unable to help you
[17:33] <Silver_Fox_> Hello pedro3005  :)
[17:33] <pedro3005> hi Silver_Fox_
[17:35] <philinux> Abhijeet: Try following this guide. http://www.ubuntu-inside.me/2009/06/howto-recover-grub2-after-windows.html
[18:44] <boywonder> hi,ive been in ubuntu and had some bad help
[18:45] <boywonder> but thats forgot about, my cdrom wont mount itself any help?


[01:58] <Unit193> yano: You do your glibc upgrade then?
[01:58] <yano> Unit193: yea, it doesn't require a restart does it?
[01:58] <yano> actually i restart because weechat locked up :(
[01:59] <Unit193> yano: Not system, but services yes.  `checkrestart` can help, or some people prefer 'needsrestart'
[01:59] <yano> oh snap
[17:50] <Unit193> What wind!


[00:11] <shaya> should bluez stuff be able to handle more than one bluetooth connection at a time?  it seems to have issue with a2dp and a pand network going at the same time
[00:13] <calc> why isn't tar smart enough to autodetect compression type for uncompressing files? it has -a for compressing but it doesn't work for decompressing
[00:14] <directhex> calc, it isn't? i use "tar xvf foo.tar.gz" all the time
[00:14] <directhex> also, *ngh* @ OOo build system
[00:14] <calc> doesn't work for lzma
[00:14] <calc> tar xvf ../ubuntu-8.10-desktop-i386.tar.lzmatar: This does not look like a tar archive
[00:15] <calc> tar: Skipping to next header
[00:15] <directhex> ah, then it's just old & lame
[00:15] <calc> so i end up using tar --lzma -xvf foo
[00:15] <calc> but tar -acvf iirc works with lzma
[00:15] <azeem> maybe it that codepatch just hasn't been tought about lzma yet
[00:15] <azeem> -it
[00:15] <calc> directhex: yep OOo build system is crap, can't be improved until Sun does the right thing
[00:16] <calc> azeem: ah maybe so
[00:16] <azeem> codepath*
[00:16] <azeem> I should stop drinking
[00:16] <azeem> and/or stop listening to Prince
[00:16] <calc> azeem: heh even when sober i often drop entire words, etc ;-)
[00:17] <directhex> calc, i think the configure script they use in ooo-build is hideously broken
[00:17] <directhex> checking for mcs... /usr/bin/csc
[00:17] <directhex> Cannot open assembly '/usr/lib/mono/1.0/mcs.exe': No such file or directory.
[00:17] <directhex> why is it even looking there in the GAC? i forced a given compiler for a reason!
[00:17] <calc> heh, probably
[00:18] <calc> OOo is horrid in general :\
[00:18] <directhex> switch to abiword! imagine the space saved on the livecd!
[00:18] <calc> i am somewhat surprised the mono stuff is broken like that considering Novell wrote that code (afaik)
[00:18] <calc> directhex: heh yea
[00:19] <directhex> calc, they're always cocking up their configure scripts, but that's extra broken
[00:19] <directhex> calc, if a grep doesn't show anything, then surely it must be in a ooo-build/src tarball?
[00:20] <calc> directhex: hmm maybe it is after all
[00:20] <calc> directhex: if so they probably got it merged upstream
[00:20] <directhex> go go gadget bzgrep
[00:20] <directhex> time for anap -_-
[00:20] <calc> directhex: i'm sure Sun didn't write code for Mono though
[00:21]  * calc thinks java and .net should both die, go C go C ;-)
[00:22] <walters> writing entire apps in unmanaged code in 2008 just doesn't make sense
[00:23] <calc> java is just beginning to become run anywhere and last i checked mono isn't very close either
[00:23] <azeem> walters: good thing it's almost 2009!
[00:23] <calc> run anywhere a working RE exists maybe
[00:23] <directhex> walters, how else do we run them on our ARM systems?
[00:24] <walters> directhex: what do you mean?  there are VMs for ARM
[00:24] <directhex> walters, i was more thinking JIT footprint
[00:24] <calc> the java vm for ppc is so bad i can't even get it to compile OOo
[00:24] <azeem> probably mono FTBFS on arm, *duck*
[00:24] <directhex> azeem, fixed in 2.0.1-0ubuntu2
[00:24] <calc> and ppc is not nearly as obscure as many other platforms
[00:25] <directhex> and the exciting new 2,0.1-1 in debian Incoming
[00:25] <TheMuso> calc: How can ppc hardware owners help fix that one up?
[00:25] <walters> directhex: nothing prevents one from having an ahead-of-time cache of managed code -> native
[00:25] <calc> TheMuso: determine why the build fails in java on ppc
[00:26] <directhex> calc, which JRE?
[00:26] <walters> directhex: that's what GCJ does and I think various embedders do use it
[00:26] <calc> directhex: iirc gcj and openjdk both die
[00:26] <calc> directhex: or rather hang forever, the logs are available for review, i had to disable java support which is why it builds now, but without a lot of features on ppc
[00:26] <directhex> huh? i can't find the source of this configure weirdness anywhere!
[00:27] <calc> directhex: should either be in the tarballs or in the configure or in a patch in patches/dev300 (iirc)
[00:27] <calc> directhex: unless it is magic :)
[00:28] <directhex> definitely smells like a bad check in a configure
[00:30] <directhex> ehm..... this patch is sick
[00:31] <TheMuso> calc: When I'm off work in the next couple of days, I'll take a peak if you'd like.
[00:31] <calc> TheMuso: ok
[00:31] <calc> TheMuso: it might just work for you again like before, but if it does that is also a good data point
[00:31] <walters> calc: is debian's openjdk tracking the latest icedtea?  Red Hat has an engineer working on complete zero-assembler for OpenJDK which should remove architecture dependency
[00:31] <calc> walters: not certain, doko works on it
[00:32] <directhex> oh poot
[00:32] <directhex> this is... vile
[00:32] <calc> directhex: any program that has its own version of make i think qualifies as vile ;-) which OOo does
[00:32] <directhex> calc, srsly, whoever thought this was the right way to make a patch needs a slap
[00:32] <calc> along with KDE, X (or used to?), etc
[00:32] <directhex> calc, most sun apps do. ever heard of gridengine?
[00:33] <directhex> +                       AC_PATH_PROG(MCS, mcs)
[00:33] <directhex> +                       test -z "$MCS" || CSC_PATH=`dirname $MCS`
[00:33] <directhex> +               MCS="$CSC_PATH/mcs"
[00:33] <directhex> spot the problem
[00:33] <calc> oops :)
[00:33] <calc> should be MCS="$CSC_PATH/$MCS"
[00:33] <calc> i think?
[00:34] <calc> or basename $MCS
[00:34] <azeem> directhex: I thought Sun bought gridengine from somewhere, though
[00:34] <azeem> mabye not
[00:35] <directhex> calc, or just $MCS"
[00:36] <directhex> calc, it should not override it! why would it use an overridable AC_PATH_PROG and then undo any changes you make, unless it's *mad*
[00:36] <calc> dirname $MCS would indicate that the full path is in $MCS
[00:36] <directhex> azeem, nah, not in recent memory. we've run SGE for dinkeys years
[00:36] <directhex> donkeys
[00:36] <directhex> dinkeys too if you like
[00:37] <calc> directhex: yea it sounds crazy, feel free to send me a patch and i will get it into ooo-build
[00:37] <directhex> calc, has this file changes in 3.0? i'm working against 2.4.1 from current jaunty
[00:37] <calc> directhex: oh which file is it, i can check
[00:38] <TheMuso> 8/c
[00:38] <directhex> calc, well i'm looking at patches/mono/mono-build.diff - but i'm assumig that's the one being applied
[00:38] <directhex> there's also -m16 and -m17
[00:39] <calc> directhex: i think it is still the same (at least more or less)
[00:39] <calc> its a pretty long bit of code but i still see:
[00:39] <calc> +               if test "z$CSC_PATH" = "z"; then
[00:39] <calc> +                       AC_PATH_PROG(MCS, mcs)
[00:39] <calc> +                       test -z "$MCS" || CSC_PATH=`dirname $MCS`
[00:39] <directhex> in theory this just needs the line removing:
[00:39] <directhex> +               MCS="$CSC_PATH/mcs"
[00:40] <directhex> let me check further down
[00:41] <directhex> nah, mono-climaker-config seems less foolish
[00:42] <calc> well it looks like it is rewriting the path for MCS there
[00:42] <calc> so it probably needs to be MCS="$CSC_PATH/`basename $MCS`"
[00:42] <directhex> calc, it rewrites the path for MCS to `dirname $MCS`
[00:42] <calc> unless they are redoing it entirely for crack reasons
[00:43] <calc> hmm yea
[00:43] <calc> oh its using the path to setup AL properly i think
[00:43] <directhex> which is fine
[00:43] <directhex> i approve of setting al
[00:43] <calc> so yea MCS doesn't need to be done at all
[00:44] <directhex> well... assuming 'al' is a 2.0 al on mono 2... i think it is...
[00:45] <directhex> al:exec /usr/bin/mono $MONO_OPTIONS /usr/lib/mono/2.0/al.exe "$@"
[00:45] <directhex> yes. so, believe it or not, OOo would break when building on mono 2.0, if we DIDN'T do this transition
[00:46] <directhex> as it uses 'al' (for compiling CLI assembly) from CLI 2.0, but the 'mcs' compiler from CLI 1.0
[00:46] <directhex> you don't need to know this stuff, mind. raof dos, but he's special
[00:47] <raof> Yay!
[00:47]  * RAOF is special
[00:48] <calc> directhex: heh
[00:49] <directhex> calc, i'm trying another test build, with that one line removed (and the diff indexes lowered a little accordingly, assuming i remember my diff-fu)
[00:49] <directhex> even just 'debuild' takes ages with ooo, let alone the pbuild
[00:50] <calc> yep
[00:50] <calc> directhex: i use ccache to make it somewhat reasonable
[00:50] <RAOF> That'd be substantially faster if you didn't clean the tree, right?
[00:50] <calc> takes it down to 1hr build after cached
[00:51] <RAOF> (And assumed that they've got their makefile dependencies correct)
[00:53] <directhex> broken makefiles is the problem!
[00:53] <directhex> :p
[00:53] <directhex> Need to get 0B/261MB of archives. After unpacking 916MB will be used.
[00:53] <directhex> obscene :x
[00:53] <directhex> and people call mono bloated
[00:54] <Riddell> calc: KDE has its own make?
[00:55] <directhex> yeah. it's one of those damned apps with a "k" in the name. "make" i think!
[00:57] <calc> Riddell: isn't it called cmake or something like that?
[00:57] <calc> Riddell: i might be misremembering as i don't work with it anymore
[00:57] <directhex> dpkg-source: info: applying openoffice.org_2.4.1-11ubuntu4.diff.gz
[00:57] <directhex> here it goes again
[01:00] <calc> Riddell: perhaps they were just threatening to write their own make/build system?
[01:00] <directhex> here it goes. configuring
[01:00] <directhex> configuring some more
[01:01] <directhex> wait... it configures twice before even unpacking _src_core ?
[01:01] <directhex> o_o
[01:01] <calc> maybe, don't remember what all it does, heh
[01:01] <directhex> mono might win on 'number of binaries from 1 source package', but OOo wins for 'batguano insane'
[01:02] <Riddell> calc: cmake is a build system, it converts files into make, it's not kde specific.  automake does the same but is way more ugly especially on !gnu
[01:02] <directhex> i backported cmake once
[01:02] <directhex> i think wodim uses it?
[01:02] <Riddell> yes
[01:03] <directhex> my memory rocks, or i'm really sad.
[01:03] <calc> Riddell: ah ok
[01:04] <directhex> patched without error. configuring...
[01:04] <directhex> checking for mcs... /usr/bin/csc
[01:04] <directhex> checking for gmcs... /usr/bin/csc
[01:04] <directhex> checking for mkbundle2... /usr/bin/mkbundle
[01:04] <directhex> configure: mono is up-to-date enough - building mono climaker
[01:04] <directhex> thank $DEITY
[01:05] <calc> cool! :)
[01:05] <directhex> i'd better let this build finish as a sanity-check, but i think that was the missing link
[01:05] <directhex> a little slice of wtf from novell
[01:06] <calc> heh
[01:06] <calc> i'm surprised they haven't fixed it for mono 2 already themselves
[01:06] <directhex> consistency has been an issue with that upstream for a while
[01:08] <directhex> had a nice one today from iulian - his app "giver" has been correctly patched for the mono transition, yet somehow is still not using the right compiler..... seems configure ignores the compiler you give it, makefiles have 'gmcs' hardcoded whatever you do
[01:09] <calc> fun
[03:19] <hyperair> pitti: regarding bug 292256, there is an upstream bug filed already (see bfo 18461), but i can't seem to find anywhere to link it back to launchpad.net
[03:23] <kirkland> bryce: sorry about not using a patch system ...  there wasn't one in place, so i just applied directly
[03:24] <bryce> kirkland: yeah adding a patch system is a bit more involved ;-)
[03:26] <bryce> kirkland: for reference, here's the snippets from my packaging notes on adding patch systems:  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/77006/
[03:26] <bryce> in this case I followed the notes on quilt, and it worked without issue
[03:41] <kirkland> bryce: right
[03:51] <psusi> pitti: was wondering if you had any thoughts on my response to your message on dev-discuss about permissions and removable media, or if you just tuned it out due to low s/n ratio
[03:58] <ScottK> psusi: Please note that pitti work on European time, so it's the middle of the night for him right now.
[03:58] <ScottK> work/works
[04:07] <psusi> ScottK: ahh that's right... well, maybe he'll see it in the morning and I'll talk to him tomorrow
[04:09] <psusi> would be nice to get rid of those annoying permission problems with removable media without telling people to use fat so as to avoid the issue.
[04:16] <jdong> oh god this is such a hack....
[04:16] <psusi> lol
[04:16] <jdong> trying to make a pseudo-magical 32-bit and 64-bit system
[04:16] <jdong> mainly through the use of schroot and bindfs (FUSE) :)
[04:16] <psusi> don't we have one of those by now?  I thought someone has been working on that since like fiesty?
[04:17] <jdong> passing through 32-bit or 64-bit executables based on a whitelist and whether the requester is 32-bit or 64-bit
[04:17] <psusi> damn... what do you need all that for?  I thought there was a spec with a sane way to do it
[04:17] <jdong> there is?
[04:18] <jdong> I sure haven't found it.
[04:18] <psusi> something like having ld.so choose either a 32 or 64 bit search path depending on the executable
[04:18] <jdong> it's for things like if I want to run 32-bit firefox but have 32-bit firefox start up 64-bit evince
[04:19] <jdong> currently I just use dpkg selections to mirror the 32-bit and 64-bit environments to be pretty similar
[04:19] <psusi> yea, I swear someone was working on implementing a spec to just let you install normal 32 bit packages on a 64 bit system and run them
[04:19] <jdong> hmm I've heard nothing about that for at least 3 release cycles now.
[04:19] <jdong> I've seen plenty of ugly hacks like getlibs.
[04:19] <psusi> and this was like, back in feisty I remember talking to someone about it
[04:19] <jdong> which seeminly just hack apart the deb and sed installpaths into lib32....
[04:20] <jdong> I tried to critize it for being ridiculously hackish but ended up being flamed to death by 64-bit junkies.
[04:20] <jdong> grumble.
[04:20] <psusi> hehe
[04:22] <psusi> well I thought the idea was to patch dpkg to fix the install paths to use the *32 versions, and handle the depends properly so it installs the 32 bit version of the depends, then patch ld.so to notice when it is being asked to load a 32 bit image and link against the *32 libs instead
[04:25] <viviersf> cjwatson, ping
[04:27] <psusi> jdong: so you're debootstrapping a 32 bit chroot and instaling the 32 bit versions of packages there?
[04:27] <psusi> now who was it that was working on that before?  tolef?
[04:28] <psusi> yea, I think it was tfheen
[04:28] <TheMuso> viviersf: He is not around now. Just make your statement/ask your question and he will get back to you when he is around.
[04:28] <jdong> psusi: yeah that's what I'm doing.
[04:29] <psusi> jdong: yikes.... that sounds horrid ;)
[04:29] <jdong> psusi: meh mostly just a waste of space and administration hassle
[04:29] <jdong> it's primarily to give skype a more 32-bit like home, and also give firefox a better chance of not crashing every other flash page.
[04:30] <viviersf> TheMuso, cool
[04:30] <TheMuso> jdong: well if the 64-bit flash plugin improves, that shouldn't be a problem re firefox.
[04:31] <jdong> TheMuso: that's a big if.
[04:31] <viviersf> cjwatson, do you know why an ubuntu install with a live cd and an ubuntu install via kickstart would be different, if the kickstart does do the @ubuntu-desktop in the %packages section
[04:31] <psusi> jdong: ask Mithrandir about it some time, I think he's the one who was working on that iirc and it sounded like he had a plan that wasn't a total kludge ;)
[04:32] <jdong> psusi: hey! you haven't seen my kvm + X forwarding plan yet!
[04:32] <jdong> version 2.0 is a lot less kludgy than version 1.0 ;-)
[04:33] <psusi> jdong: x forwarding?  why should X need any special handling?  it shouldn't make any assumptions about the word size on the other end of the connection
[04:34] <jdong> 32-bit apps are run in a virtual machine with a separate copy of X :)
[04:34] <jdong> a bit of session manager glue brings them together
[04:36] <psusi> oh my god, why?
[04:36] <jdong> before I figured out schroot and dchroot existed :)
[04:36]  * psusi recoils physically from that
[04:38] <psusi> so how is this better than having sed replace paths in the 32 bit package? ;)
[04:38] <jdong> lol it's not :)
[04:38] <psusi> lol....
[04:38] <jdong> well you can argue it's better since it's technically two unsoddomized Ubuntu installs.
[04:38] <jdong> just bridged together via a remote-desktopping solution :)
[04:39] <jdong> but I won't try to argue that :)
[04:39] <psusi> I'd argue that's an incestuous relationship and shouldn't be allowed ;)
[04:39] <jdong> I'd be inclined to agree :)
[04:40]  * psusi wonders why schroot suggests lvm2
[04:41] <jdong> probably because of its COW modes?
[04:41] <psusi> oh weird
[04:42] <jdong> apparently it with sbuild results in some mighty-fast builds :)
[04:42] <psusi> could be nicer than the tar approach pbuilder uses though
[04:43] <jdong> absolutely
[04:58] <psusi> fabbione: is ornellas.apanela.com/dokuwiki your wiki?  I'm trying to read an article there linked to from the ubuntu wiki and it looks like it's been spammed all to hell
[05:02] <fabbione> psusi: nope.. not mine
[05:09] <psusi> I swear there was a multiarch spec and now I can't find it
[05:09] <psusi> s/spec/blueprint
[05:09] <fabbione> i am pretty sure there is one
[05:09] <fabbione> not sure how up-to-date it is tho
[05:10] <fabbione> but it should be on the main wiki
[05:10] <fabbione> it was done by Mithrandir afair
[05:10] <fabbione> and doko
[05:10] <fabbione> but I might be mistaken.. it's been too long since I looked at that stuff
[05:10] <psusi> fabbione: that's what I thought
[05:11] <psusi> and I thought their idea did not involve a chroot
[05:11] <psusi> the only stuff I can find on the subject now is all about having a whole 32 bit system in a chroot
[05:11] <fabbione> i don't think it does involve chrooting at all
[05:12] <fabbione> that's the whole point of multiarch :)
[05:12] <ScottK> Doesn't Debian have mutliarch?
[05:12] <ScottK> mutli/multi
[05:13] <psusi> I dunno.... I assumed that since jdong was mucking around with a way of doing it that Mithrandir never finished it
[05:14] <fabbione> not that I know off (debian multiarch)
[05:20] <fabbione> psusi: i can only find a few references here and there
[05:20] <fabbione> psusi: i think Mithrandir was working with Debian for that goal..
[05:21] <fabbione> http://wiki.debian.org/multiarch
[05:21] <fabbione> that's the closest thing I can find
[05:27] <psusi> fabbione: that's what I thought too, but that was a long time ago... looks like it was forgotten about
[05:29] <psusi> wow, yea, according to that Mithrandir and sjr were working on that back in '04 and
[05:29] <psusi> '05
[05:31] <psusi> jdong: fabbione found this, which has some good info for you in the morning: http://wiki.debian.org/multiarch
[05:39] <fabbione> psusi: i suggest you talk to Mithrandir in a few hours :)
[05:39] <fabbione> i am really not into multiarch
[06:28] <dholbach> good morning
[06:32] <dholbach> can you guys please update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TeamReports/November2008 for your teams? thanks :)
[06:32] <mathiaz> dholbach: I had a question related to the TeamReports - what's done with them?
[06:34] <dholbach> mathiaz: the most obvious thing: they're available and this time Nick Ali is going to highlight them on the fridge/planet/ubuntu weekly news
[06:34] <dholbach> mathiaz: I think it's great to show the world (and another teams) what kind of stuff you've done
[06:34] <mathiaz> dholbach: good. How does that tie into the Ubuntu News suggestion from james_w ?
[06:34] <dholbach> also does it show that the team is healthy
[06:34] <mathiaz> dholbach: oh yes - I agree with you. I think it's a good thing to do.
[06:35] <mathiaz> dholbach: I just found that there weren't really advertised much.
[06:35] <dholbach> mathiaz: you're right
[06:35] <dholbach> mathiaz: interesting question regarding UbuntuDevelopment/News
[06:36] <dholbach> mathiaz: I'll talk to James about it
[06:36] <mathiaz> dholbach: to me it looks very similar
[06:37] <mathiaz> dholbach: the same processes to gather input could be the same
[06:37] <dholbach> mathiaz: I think there's different audiences, the monthly report is also not useful if you want to give people a headsup of a transition or something
[06:38] <dholbach> mathiaz: but I agree, it'd be nice if there's not too many wiki pages and too many different processes for this
[06:38] <dholbach> brb
[06:39] <Hobbsee> dholbach: there's going to be a topic at UDS about it, FYI
[06:45] <Hobbsee> or at least, part fo it will be allocated to that.
[06:47] <Hobbsee> james_w: I wonder if it's worth having a separate session for the news
[06:48]  * Hobbsee is avoiding studying prolog again, incidently, but only for a bit
[06:49] <ScottK> Hobbsee: I think the News is something someone ought to just DO.  I don't think it needs a bunch of meetings an paperwork.
[06:51] <Hobbsee> ScottK: that's a point - but how's it best done?
[06:51] <ScottK> I'd say whoever actually does some work gets to decide.
[06:51] <pitti> Good morning
[06:52] <Hobbsee> hey pitti!
[06:52] <pitti> TheMuso: eww, they are using *tdb* for sample caching? sigh, what's wrong with a simple hashtable...
[06:53] <pitti> TheMuso: losing sample caching would really be bad, let's not do that
[06:54] <pitti> TheMuso: I just wonder why instead of hashtable, sqlite, or bdb, they had to pick tdb of all things...
[06:54] <StevenK> Maybe they're trying to impress Tridge
[06:55] <pitti> hyperair: right, because there is no pm-utils project in LP; I'm going to create it
[06:55] <TheMuso> pitti: Take it up with Lennart. :)
[06:56] <pitti> hyperair: done
[06:57] <dholbach> Hobbsee: great
[06:57]  * pitti hugs Hobbsee
[06:58]  * Hobbsee hugs pitti back :)
[07:05] <hyperair> pitti: okay i'll go link the upstream bug
[07:05] <pitti> hyperair: already done
[07:05] <hyperair> oh
[07:05] <hyperair> okay thanks =)
[07:05] <pitti> hyperair: if you click on "also affects project" and the project doens't exist yet, you can click on "register", give it a name and short description, and then it will be there
[07:05] <hyperair> i see
[07:06] <hyperair> i never knew
[07:24] <dholbach> asac, fta: what about the thunderbird task of bug 190688? will you merge the fix in bzr and upload it to jaunty?
[07:25] <dholbach> it's in the sponsoring queue for a while now :)
[07:32] <tjaalton> are there any known security bugs that can't be exploited due to hardened default compiler settings in Ubuntu?
[07:32] <kees> tjaalton: probably :)
[07:33] <tjaalton> kees: hehe, you should know right?-)
[07:33] <kees> tjaalton: well, I'd like to spend the time to research every one, but I haven't had time.  but basically, there have been a few lately that we've lowered in priority because they're "just" a DoS instead of a working overflow, for example.
[07:34] <kees> tjaalton: are you looking for anything in particular?
[07:35] <tjaalton> kees: if you noticed my blog post on the planet, the reason why I'm asking is that I need to know how big a risk it is to open a (linux) server with 20000 user accounts to the world
[07:35] <tjaalton> and how to diminish it
[07:35] <kees> tjaalton: I'm about 8 hours behind on planet reading (it's almost midnight for me)
[07:35] <kees> tjaalton: 20k shell accounts?
[07:35] <kees> tjaalton: or service accounts (imap, etc)?
[07:36] <tjaalton> kees: yes, or maybe 18k but anyway
[07:36]  * kees whistles
[07:36] <tjaalton> :)
[07:36] <tkamppeter> pitti, good news for you, see bug 292690, you will soon be able to print with SpliX 2
[07:36] <kees> I would say you're brave to have 18k shell accounts on one machine, regardless of the security risks.  :P
[07:37] <kees> tjaalton: well, my basic "simple" advice is to run 64bit and make sure you've got a CPU with a functioning "nx" bit.
[07:37] <tjaalton> kees: well, we've had them for years, and on Real unices they've been local, in this case behind ldap
[07:37] <tjaalton> kees: yep, that's the plan
[07:38] <kees> local users can DoS the crap out of eachother unless there are sane resource limits and quotas.
[07:38] <kees> if you're running a webserver on it, you may be in for a world of hurt.
[07:38] <tjaalton> no, only ssh
[07:39] <tjaalton> and the current servers do have some limits on them, so that'd be ported for sure
[07:40] <kees> tjaalton: I'll never say you're 100% safe, but running Intrepid on 64bit with nx puts you in a very good place.
[07:41] <tjaalton> kees: how about hardy then? we got some SELinux expertise, so that could be used as well
[07:42] <kees> tjaalton: if you go hardy and you can tune up a workable SELinux policy, you should be quite happy too.
[07:42] <kees> tjaalton: the SELinux infrastructure should work just fine in Hardy.
[07:43] <kees> tjaalton: intrepid's selinux seems to have a few packaging bugs.
[07:43] <tjaalton> kees: ok, thanks.. I think this makes me feel cozy for the time being :)
[07:43] <kees> tjaalton: :) \o/
[07:44] <tjaalton> fwiw, we have ~180 workstations that are open to the campus network
[07:44] <tjaalton> would be a nice chance to harden them as well
[07:57] <lool> hi there
[08:33] <tkamppeter> pitti, in some seconds splix_2.0.0~rc2-0ubuntu6 will appear (I have uploaded it now). Please test it on your printer to see whether the garbage of bug 292690 goes away. Thanks.
[08:46] <pitti> tkamppeter: cool, will do!
[08:49] <tkamppeter> pitti, I can also load the same fix onto intrepid-proposed, it is already prepared, I only need to upload it.
[08:50] <pitti> tkamppeter: if you are unsure, I can test it first, otherwise please go ahead
[08:51] <tkamppeter> pitti, here we go, it is uploaded.
[08:52] <tkamppeter> pitti, the fixes are identical, either both work or both fail.
[09:06] <tkamppeter> pitti, splix has arrived in the -proposed queue now.
[09:35] <viviersf> Mithrandir, is it possible to boot casper over the network ?
[09:35] <Mithrandir> viviersf: it doesn't know how to find the ISO over the network, iirc
[09:40] <viviersf> Mithrandir, :( ok, that would be really cool tho
[09:40] <Mithrandir> yeah, somebody should implement that
[09:40] <viviersf> then one does not need to use kickstart
[09:40] <viviersf> cos the install time would be much faster
[10:00] <cjwatson> viviersf: those are two radically different installation methods so there's lots of room for differences. What exactly is different for you?
[10:01] <cjwatson> you should be able to boot casper over the network nowadays, I think, but it's a very lightly-tested installation path so it might only work in 8.10 not 8.04
[11:31] <ogra> tjaalton, * Make libdrm-dev depend on libdrm-intel1.
[11:31] <ogra> where is libdrm-intel1 supposed to come from ?
[11:31]  * ogra doesnt see it anywhere
[11:33] <Hobbsee> debian experimental, apparently
[11:35] <ogra> ah
[11:36] <Hobbsee> Source package is drm-snapshot, but that doesn't seem to be in ubuntu either
[11:36] <tjaalton> ogra: uh, libdrm should build it :)
[11:36] <StevenK> It didn't
[11:36] <tjaalton> right
[11:37] <tjaalton> since it's not mentioned on the control file
[11:37] <ogra> yeah, doesnt look like its n the binary list
[11:38] <tjaalton> I'll fix it shortly
[12:06] <tkamppeter> pitti, any news with your printer?
[12:06] <pitti> tkamppeter: not tested yet, just finished conf call and before that a presentation; I'll report back to the bug once I tested it
[12:52] <tkamppeter> pitti, can you upload the curtrent BZR state of CUPS into Debian and Jaunty and then SRU bug 271350?
[12:53] <tkamppeter> Currently all PowerPC users cannot print at all with Intrepid and Jaunty.
[13:29] <tjaalton> could an archive admin push the new libdrm through so that xserver 1.5.3 could build?
[13:36] <asac> doko: can you please bump build score for tbird <IP_ADDRESS> ... so we see if armel build is fixed?
[13:37] <doko> asac: was already building
[13:39] <asac> oh
[13:42] <ogra> asac, https://launchpad.net/+builds/kahikatea
[13:43] <asac> thx ... found it
[13:45] <asac> sigh ... finished "inbox" processing ... next bugmail: 8000 unread :(
[13:45]  * asac pushes that back till tomorrow :/
[14:13] <pitti> tkamppeter: can do; this morning I moved the previous cups SRU to -updates
[16:07] <cjwatson> pitti: is the Schedule section on http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-jaunty/ supposed to be invisible to those without admin access?
[16:07] <cjwatson> (brought over from #ubuntu-meeting)
[16:07] <pitti> cjwatson: ATM yes, according to Scott, since it's still preliminary
[16:08] <cjwatson> pitti: is there a timeline for making it public, perhaps with a note that it's still a draft?
[16:09] <cjwatson> pitti: it would be useful for team members to be able to see at least what's been scheduled, even if the times are still in flux
[16:09] <pitti> cjwatson: I don't know whether it's possible to add such a note, but we can publish it without any problem, should we wish to do so
[16:09] <pitti> right, I agree
[16:10] <pitti> cjwatson: better now?
[16:11] <pitti> I can't test it myself, since I always get auto-logged in as pitti
[16:11] <cjwatson> me neither, asked others
[16:11] <mvo> nothing new for me
[16:11] <cjwatson> might need to log out and back in?
[16:12] <pitti> I set it to "published", which is what Scott told me
[16:13] <cjwatson> apparently it works with URL hacking; good enough
[16:13] <pitti> how so?
[16:36] <MacSlow> how can I revert/undo a bzr commit?
[16:36] <MacSlow> is this possible at all?
[16:37] <james_w> MacSlow: "bzr uncommit" if it was the last
[16:37] <james_w> if you've already pushed then you it will complain next time you try to push
[16:37] <MacSlow> james_w, just found it thanks
[16:38] <MacSlow> already everything fixed again *phew*
[16:39] <tkamppeter> pitti, great to haer that your printer finally works with SpliX 2.
[16:39] <pitti> tkamppeter: the foomatic GDI driver always did, but now splix does again, too
[16:59] <cjwatson> mvo: oh, chdist (in devscripts) might be able to do this
[17:01] <james_w> mvo: something else I've been meaning to bring up in a meeting, but forgot to add to the agenda. When I was in Lex Cody asked whether it would be possible to install the apt https transport by default?
[17:02] <mvo> james_w: sure, I think we just did not do it because of the libcurl-gnutls dependency
[17:02] <mvo> but it should be no problem
[17:03] <james_w> libcurl3-gnutls says "Task: minimal"
[17:04] <cjwatson> doko,mvo: yeah, chdist is exactly the tool we need here
[17:04] <cjwatson> chdist -a armel create jaunty-armel
[17:04] <cjwatson> # edit .chdist/jaunty-armel/etc/apt/sources.list
[17:04] <cjwatson> chdist apt-get jaunty-armel update
[17:04] <cjwatson> chdist apt-get jaunty-armel install <package>
[17:04] <cjwatson> obviously you won't *actually* be able to install it
[17:04] <mvo> cjwatson: nice
[17:09] <cjwatson> I'm fixing initramfs-tools uninstallability on armel
[18:14] <psusi> pitti: ping
[18:25] <pitti> psusi: quick pong
[18:28] <psusi> pitti: hey... was wondering if you had any thoughts on my reply to your post on devel-discuss about the permissions on external drives, or if you just tuned it out due to low s/n
[18:28] <psusi> the thread appears to have died out
[18:29] <pitti> psusi: the bindfs option sounds quite promising, but I haven't ever tried that myself
[18:29] <psusi> pitti: I think we can just do it with the uid= and gid= options
[18:30] <pitti> however, being FUSE it can potentially decrease performance quite severely?
[18:30] <psusi> yea... seems overkill for this
[18:30] <pitti> psusi: we do already for vfat and ntfs, but there aren't such options for ext3 and hfs
[18:30] <jdong> pitti: I use bindfs here to run my 32-bit chroot for my 64-bit machine, performance seems acceptable
[18:30] <pitti> jdong: do you have some numbers?
[18:31] <jdong> pitti: I don't have any on hand
[18:31] <psusi> pitti: right.... did you see my reply to you?  about 2 years ago I modified the arguments to the udf filesystem to make more sense and allow more flexability... maybe we just need to make ext3 and hfs behave the same way, and modify the mount options a bit, possibly adding a nice gui checkbox to toggle them
[18:31] <jdong> I even use it to pass through pbuilder and I haven't really noticed much of a performance impact
[18:31] <jdong> I guess I can try to get some solid numbers :)
[18:32] <pitti> jdong: maybe with dbench or postmark or so
[18:32] <psusi> jdong: did you see the message I sent you last night after you went to bed?  there was a good page of info on Mithrandir's old efforts for multiarch not using chroots and all that jazz
[18:32] <pitti> doesn't need to be rock-solid science, but it'd be intersting whether it's 1% or 50%
[18:32] <jdong> psusi: yeah, I was reading that.
[18:32] <pitti> psusi: yes, as soon as the kernel actually supports those options for ext3 (with an "override" semantics instead of a "fallback", as in vfat), we can easily adapt userspace to cope
[18:33] <pitti> anyway, I need to leave for Taekwondo
[18:33] <pitti> cu tomorrow!
[18:33] <psusi> o/
[18:33] <psusi> looks like I need to get kernel hacking then
[19:10] <slangasek> so after all the trouble that went into getting gnome-panel to do weather by default, why has it recently stopped working for me?  GNOME upstream changed their mind, or did the NOAA decide they couldn't handle the load from all the Ubuntu users? :)
[19:10] <slangasek> I guess the former, since it seems to correlate with the last time I added a location, and the location chooser no longer semes to integrate with airport codes
[19:12] <ogra> or portland did stop having weather
[19:12] <lool> slangasek: I guess you mean in 2.25?  I saw vuntz mention some patches weren't integrated in trunk and were only in 2.24, but I thought these were only translations
[19:13] <slangasek> ogra: all the cities I have listed appear to have stopped having weather
[19:13] <lool> Hmm looks like the same upstream version in intrepid and jaunty
[19:13] <ogra> well, thats positive, at least no bad weather anywhere then :)
[19:13] <slangasek> lool: still in 2.24 on intrepid, not 2.25
[19:14] <lool> (no 2.25 anyway)
[19:14] <lool> slangasek: You upgraded to 1:2.24.1-0ubuntu2.1?
[19:14] <slangasek> meh, there's been plenty of bad weather here, and now I've become accustomed to being able to check my panel for the temp :)
[19:14] <slangasek> lool: 2.24.1-0ubuntu1; where's that other version from?
[19:14] <lool> gnome-panel | 1:2.24.1-0ubuntu2.1 | intrepid-updates | source, amd64, i386
[19:14] <slangasek> oh, gnome-panel
[19:14] <slangasek> I was looking at libgweather, hang on
[19:15] <lool> Could as well have been libgweather
[19:15] <ogra> -pane or -applets :)
[19:15] <ogra> *panel
[19:15] <slangasek> yeah, that's the version of gnome-panel I have
[19:18] <lool> I get this problem too in intrepid
[19:18] <lool> With gp 1:2.24.1-0ubuntu2.1
[19:18] <lool> But not in Debian sid, so it's not the weather service
[19:19] <lool> There's this in my .xsession-errors:
[19:19] <lool> (gnome-panel:8726): Gdk-WARNING **: /build/buildd/gtk+2.0-2.14.4/gdk/x11/gdkdrawable-x11.c:878 drawable is not a pixmap or window
[19:19] <lool> Not sure whether it's new
[19:19] <lool> slangasek: Downgrading to intrepid's gp fixes the issue for me
[19:19]  * lool reupgrades
[19:20] <lool> No, probably just a delay, after an upgrade it works
[19:20] <lool> slangasek: So it was blank upon login; I had the time to downgrade and kill gnome-panel, got weather almost immediately, then upgraded again, killed gnome-panel, got weather info
[19:21] <lool> That said, a) I have a slow dsl (really slow right now) b) I have issues with squid on boot, so the first panel start might have been unconclusive
[19:21] <slangasek> hrm, so should I try downgrading & restarting?
[19:21]  * lool logs out
[19:22] <lool> now confirms that the xorg bug isn't due to his .gnomerc and reboots
[19:23] <lool> (I have this odd Xorg bug where Xorg seems to come up fine, I see the mouse on the screen, but then the session never starts...)
[19:24] <lool> ohhh
[19:24] <lool> +(WW) intel(0): ESR is 0x00000001, instruction error
[19:24] <lool> +(WW) intel(0): Existing errors found in hardware state.
[19:27] <lool> slangasek: So it was definitely my local squid; restarting it and gnome-panel and I have weather
[19:27] <lool> slangasek: Does killall gnome-panel help in any way?  You see any net traffic?
[19:27] <lool> slangasek: BTW I have portland configured
[19:27] <ogra> so he could simply ask you then
[19:31] <slangasek> lool: well, killing gnome-panel brought up all the weather, doh
[19:31] <slangasek> lool: possible that if gnome-panel doesn't find the server on start-up, it caches the negative result?
[19:32] <slangasek> (i.e., no network when the panel started)
[19:36] <lool> slangasek: That was my case, but I don't know how often it retries getting the weather
[19:36] <slangasek> lool: somewhere on the order of 5-15 minutes, I don't remember exactly which; my session has definitely been up for much longer than that :)
[19:37] <lool> slangasek: Might be a bug that there's no retry if it can't fetch on startup
[19:37] <lool> I don't know the code at all
[19:37] <lool> You do!  :)
[19:38] <slangasek> I don't know the code /that/ well :)
[19:38] <slangasek> but yeah, I'll look into it 'n' stuff
[19:42] <lool> slangasek: BTW didn't reproduce that hang since I disable bluetooth after startup
[19:42] <lool> I fear it's going to be really hard to hunt
[19:42] <slangasek> lool: hmm, ok
[19:43] <lool> It's clearly kernel stuff, and it looks so suspiciously similar to the cmpc bug
[19:43] <slangasek> lool: fwiw, Friday night I was getting reports of the same sort of hang from Thinkpad users with non-Intel wireless, too
[19:43] <slangasek> in fact, bluetooth seems to be one of the few components the systems have in common
[19:43] <lool> So I actually have two bugs; one which is just plain hang, and another one which is a hang with the panic leds blinking
[19:43] <lool> The former looks like it's bluetooth related
[19:43] <slangasek> (mako's work Thinkpad)
[19:44] <lool> One thing I could try is leaving the bluetooth dongle plugged on my desktop intrepid system
[19:44] <ogra> lool, the cmpc has no BT
[19:44] <lool> ogra: The model hanging had bt
[19:45] <ogra> oh
[19:45]  * ogra is out of cmpc dev for to long apparently
[20:01] <slangasek> james_w`: why did you subscribe u-m-s to bug #207150?
[20:02] <slangasek> james_w`: the people who've followed up to the bug all appear to be core-dev :)
[20:54] <mitsuhiko> friend of mine just managed to trash grub by resizing partitions from inside windows (grub error 17)
[20:54] <james_w`> slangasek: I was just working through the list of bugs with patches, and it seemed like the quickest way to handle it I guess
[20:54] <mitsuhiko> are there ways / ideas how to prevent grub from totally crashing in that situation?
[20:54] <mitsuhiko> for dual boot users that's pretty annoying i could imagine
[20:55] <slangasek> asac: I thought there was a bzr branch somewhere for firefox-3.0?  was looking at bug #270477 in the sponsorship queue, and I don't see any Vcs fields on the source package but I'm hesitant to upload such a small change on its own directly
[20:55] <slangasek> james_w`: ah - well, I've unsubbed u-m-s now, on the grounds that there doesn't appear to be anyone needing a sponsor... perhaps ScottK or doko just need a prod, instead?
[20:56] <james_w`> likely
[21:03] <asac> slangasek: fix committed to 3.0 and 3.1 development branches
[21:15] <ScottK> james_w or slangasek: I'm suffering from a deep lack of context here.  Need prodding on what?
[21:15] <james_w> ScottK: I just commented in the bug
[21:15] <james_w> ScottK: it's an old debdiff you posted that hasn't been commented on
[21:15] <james_w> bug 207150
[21:17] <ScottK> james_w: Yeah.  I wasn't core-dev at the time I submitted that.  I'd rather leave it to doko as it's a rather small thing for an upload.
[21:17] <ScottK> And I'm reasonably sure I don't care to be TIL for python-central.
[21:21]  * slangasek grins
[22:25] <fta> what happened to the "multiarch" initiative ?
[22:26] <Mithrandir> fta: people got bored
[22:26] <fta> really?
[22:26] <slangasek> where "people" == "Mithrandir"? :)
[22:26] <slangasek> I never got bored, just distracted ;)
[22:27] <Mithrandir> slangasek: well, or that
[22:29] <fta> that would have helped me for chromium :(
[22:29] <slangasek> it would help for lots of things
[22:30] <slangasek> currently, the toolchain status is in a weird state of "binutils says the patch doesn't belong here and nobody has figured out where to shove it in gcc"
[22:30] <slangasek> and package management patches are all over the place
[22:31] <fta> worth a talk at uds ?
[22:33] <slangasek> fta: I would be interested; I suspect that we've already filled our plates for jaunty, so it would probably be a blue-sky session
[22:36] <NCommander> hola world
[22:37]  * RainCT glances at NCommander
[22:37] <NCommander> did something self-destruct while I've been offline?
[22:38] <fta> slangasek, i'm going through the blueprints.. i would love to see multiarch tracked, so it doesn't slip through more cycles than necessary
[22:38] <RainCT> NCommander: should it? :)
[22:38] <slangasek> kirkland: I see you followed up to bug #277517 suggesting testing via ppa; I think for lpia that if the package builds with the lpia-targeted gcc then it ought to be fine, and persia represents that kvm is supported on ia64 - maybe this would be an ok change to dump straight to the archive?
[22:38] <slangasek> NCommander: nope, all the destruction has been externally imposed
[22:39] <slangasek> fta: if you have the energy to chase this up and keep it on the radar, I would definitely welcome that - what multiarch lacks most of all is someone who can act as a driver for it
[22:40] <NCommander> slangasek, what can I do to fix it?
[22:40] <NCommander> I can do test building of kvm on ia64
[22:40] <slangasek> NCommander: fix what?
[22:40] <NCommander> sladen, the destruction that was externally imposed
[22:40] <NCommander> e,r slangasek
[22:41] <slangasek> oh, does it need fixing?
[22:41] <slangasek> I thought it was all the good kind of destruction
[22:41] <james_w> I prefer a certain level of unfixed descruction
[22:41] <james_w> and a certain level of poor spelling
[22:41] <slangasek> anyway, one thing you can do is act on my follow-up to the linux-atm sponsorship request :)
[22:41] <NCommander> slangasek, yes my lord and master :-)
[22:41]  * NCommander sees if he can debootstrap a sid chroot
[22:42] <NCommander> I'm sorta stuck in a dialup wonderland
[22:52] <directhex> OOo3 Mono transition patch written *properly* and tested
[22:53] <directhex> that's 10 hours i won't ever get back again
[22:53] <directhex> (and that's only compile time, doesn't count failed test builds)
[22:54] <TheMuso> directhex: ouch.
[22:55] <directhex> TheMuso, it's an I/O intensive build... on a laptop...
[22:56] <TheMuso> directhex: Even more ouch.
[22:57] <directhex> a fast new laptop, but still only a little spinny disk
[22:57] <directhex> pig to build, tbh
[23:06] <pochu> directhex: hey, you should try PPAs ;)
[23:06] <pochu> they're really fast
[23:06] <directhex> pochu, i think people would swoop in and stab me through the brain if i tried repeatedly to do a 10-hour, 15-gig build like OOo
[23:06] <directhex> pochu, that and LP is lame and has no debian support
[23:07] <pochu> oh, if it's for debian...
[23:07] <pochu> but I've heard PPAs are idle most of the time, so probably noone would complain ;)
[23:08] <NCommander> Huh?
[23:08]  * NCommander returns
[23:08] <rlaager> pochu: Plus, PPAs are limited to 1 GB, aren't they?
[23:09] <pochu> rlaager: for source and binaries, not for space during the build
[23:09] <directhex> the patch is un-intrusive outside my domain, so it should apply fine to 3.0.0-4ubuntu1
[23:09] <directhex> but honestly, i cannot be arsed to test it on there. 3.0.0-4 is enough
[23:12]  * cjwatson hugs his new 'debi --upgrade'
[23:13] <TheMuso> 8/c
[23:13] <ion_> What’s it do, as opposed to e.g. aptitude safe-/full-upgrade?
[23:13] <cjwatson> ion_: nothing to do with that
[23:13] <slangasek> wow, I've never seen this before
[23:13] <ion_> Heh, alright.
[23:13] <cjwatson> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=506663
[23:14] <slangasek> "debpkg -i"?  this is like, alternate-universe package management?
[23:14] <cjwatson> the redirection through debpkg is silly, but it's otherwise useful
[23:14] <directhex> Thanks. Will commit to ooo-build.
[23:14] <directhex> Grüße/Regards,
[23:14] <directhex> René
[23:15] <directhex> okay, OOo3 improves :)
[23:25] <ScriptRipper>  NCommander Hi


[14:34] <umang> Hi! I want to fork/make major changes to a page on the Team Wiki. Can I re-license it under CC-By-SA without getting permission from the original author. The original page does not have a license, the Team Wiki License page indicates that a license similar to CC-By-SA will be implemented. I've tried to contact the original author. Haven't heard back. It's this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Python The person who conducted the IRC session tha
[14:34] <umang> t the guide was based on has said he doesn't mind me using the CC-By-SA, but cannot relicense the guide since that is only derived from his work and not his work.
[14:35] <umang> * and is not his
[15:39] <umang> ?
[23:20] <fagan> anyone around who can help with docbook translations
[23:21] <fagan> I ran po2xml but got some of the text as the output and I didnt get an xml file
[23:26] <fagan> It says cant find and a para of the doc
[23:27] <fagan> but I just generated the po so its there
[23:27] <fagan> hmmmmm


[05:17] <chilicuil> Rhonda: hi, good day, sorry to bother, I'm just wondering if the wesnothd bin was removed from debian/ubuntu?, I'm running ubuntu precise and there is no 'wesnoth-server' package
[05:19] <chilicuil> Rhonda: wop, my bad, it seems now it's in wesnoth-1.10-server =P
[07:42] <dholbach> good morning
[15:07] <micahg> wow, NMU to bump standards, that's a new one...
[19:23] <jtaylor> if a core-dev is bored imagemagick "needs" a no change rebuild to drop a 600kb dependency for a lot of installs
[19:26] <jtaylor> in principle it could also be merged, but I don't want to have TIL ;)