[00:00] <ruedii> As a note, on a USB drive, it's preferable to override the sector size to 4KB.
[00:15] <CarlFK> (05:54:08 PM) openface left the room (quit: Quit: Lost terminal).
[00:16] <tomreyn> bl: try hwe (which provides updated kernel and X server)
[00:16] <bl> tomreyn i'm installing it presently
[00:16] <bl> tomreyn does the installation replace what exists?
[00:17] <tomreyn> it does for xorg, not for the kernel.
[00:17] <bl> so during boot i have to select the kernel but hwe will be used by both
[00:18] <tomreyn> the HWE kernel is a higher version than the one you're using now, so grub will default to booting that
[00:18] <bl> cool
[00:18] <tomreyn> the previous kernel will, however, remain installed unless you choose to uninstall it and its meta package
[00:18] <bl> ok, thanks
[00:19] <bl> i want to add some explanation about the behavior...i know it may not really be helpful...
[00:19] <tomreyn> i'm afraid i need to head to bed, got to work in a few hours
[00:19] <bl> to switch windowns with my mouse i have to do something like 1) right click in the existing window and then 2) select the window i want to bring to the front/switch focus
[00:20] <bl> tomreyn thanks again for your help
[00:20] <bl> if you're on again sometime i'll look you up
[00:20] <bl> i have a feeling this will persist...
[00:21] <tomreyn> this *could* actuaqlly be a matter of how you've setup gnome-shell
[00:22] <tomreyn> if you install gnome-tweaks and run it, i think there are some settings there which change how windows get and keep focus in relation to mouse movement
[00:22] <bl> but it happens with hexchat and the behavior is even there before i start either program
[00:23] <tomreyn> see   tweaks -> windows -> window focus
[00:23] <tomreyn> i'm not sure this matches your description, though
[00:23] <bl> i don't know if i'm characterizing it entirely correctly but there is definitely something to do with right clicking to get the context menu open then, without selecting anything from the context menu, i can do more stuff
[00:23] <bl> i'll take a look at gnome-tweaks
[00:24] <tomreyn> but give the HWE thing a try first, maybe it's already all you need
[00:24] <tomreyn> okay, heading out, good luck!
[00:24] <tomreyn> (will remain connected, but afk)
[01:17] <cheater> hi. i have a problem. i run ubuntu 18.04 in a vm, and i have to run it at 200% desktop scale so i can see anything. every time i resize the vm window, or restart the VM, the desktop resets to 100%. how can i make 200% the default?
[01:18] <kevr> please let us know which virtualization software you are using
[01:19] <kevr> linux has multiple container systems and hypervisors available
[01:21] <guiverc> cheater, kevr's question was to you
[01:21] <cheater> kevr: i'm using vbox.
[01:21] <cheater> i don't think it matters which virtualization i'm using though
[01:21] <cheater> guiverc: thanks, irc was in the background
[01:22] <kevr> yes, it does.
[01:22] <cheater> kevr: ok. well it's vbox :)
[01:22] <cheater> it's on a windows host
[01:22] <cheater> btw
[01:22] <guiverc> cheater, what virtualbox drivers are you using?  there are multiple (default is very low res if none are specified meaning you get what you describe)
[01:22] <cheater> hm..
[01:23] <cheater> VMSVGA
[01:23] <guiverc> the change is controlled on the host (windows in your case)
[01:23] <kevr> the guest driver?
[01:23] <cheater> i don't know how to answer this question
[01:23] <kevr> no worries, asking guiverc
[01:23] <kevr> apologies
[01:24] <cheater> anything else i need to let you know about?
[01:25] <cheater> i don't really know how to debug this issue
[01:25] <guiverc> kevr, "Graphics Controller", I'm not good with virtualbox, but it has multiple options on my Ubuntu host
[01:25] <kevr> ahh
[01:25] <kevr> interesting
[01:25] <guiverc> you're asking about changing the setting in windows cheater , I can't help there
[01:25] <cheater> i'm not
[01:25] <guiverc> the VM is stuck to using what the host provides (ie. your host settings of virtualbox; fix is there)
[01:25] <cheater> here's what i said: " i run ubuntu 18.04 in a vm, and i have to run it at 200% desktop scale so i can see anything. every time i resize the vm window, or restart the VM, the desktop resets to 100%"
[01:26] <cheater> i am talking about the setting *inside ubuntu*
[01:26] <cheater> there's a setting in the "settings" app that sets the desktop scale. it can be either 100% or 200%. it keeps resetting to 100%.
[01:27] <guiverc> okay, as I understand it cheater , I see it as a HOST virtualization setting; as that's how I've fixed what you describe before, but I stated before I don't use vbox much except in testing where my settings are rarely changed
[01:27] <kevr> it's been a while for me on virtualbox, i'm gonna need to setup a vm before i can troubleshoot this at all
[01:28] <oerheks> vm issue, not ubuuntu.. Make sure that View|Auto resize guest display is enabled (checked).
[01:28] <kevr> a windows vm...
[01:28] <kevr> Windows 10?
[01:28] <cheater> kevr and guiverc: completely forget about virtualbox. this is a red herring. you are following the wrong track. i'm talking about the usual desktop scaling setting INSIDE the ubuntu system, which is present when you run ubuntu directly on the host.
[01:28] <kevr> oerheks: i don't think he wants autoresize, though.
[01:28] <kevr> he is setting his scale to 200%, he wants to stick it there
[01:28] <kevr> cheater: oh...
[01:28] <kevr> seriously?
[01:29] <oerheks> still a vbox issue to me, ubuntu should resize and keep ratio
[01:29] <cheater> yes kevr
[01:29] <kevr> so you're not talking about the virtualbox scale at all, you're talking about your desktop scale
[01:29] <kevr> ?
[01:29] <cheater> no, i'm not talking about virtualbox scale. i'm talking about desktop scale inside the ubuntu system.
[01:29] <kevr> but.. ubuntu is your host, no?
[01:29] <kevr> oh, yeah.
[01:29] <kevr> gotcha.
[01:29] <kevr> so this has nothing to do with virtualbox at all.
[01:30] <kevr> more likely gnome
[01:30] <cheater> possibly
[01:30] <cheater> it keeps on resetting to 100%
[01:30] <kevr> cheater: just font scaling?
[01:30] <kevr> or is it also scaling like, image sizes of icons and shit
[01:30] <cheater> everything
[01:31] <cheater> i'm talking about this setting: https://i.imgur.com/Q6Ea4hG.jpg
[01:31] <kevr> yee
[01:31] <cheater> it keeps on resetting to 100%
[01:31] <cheater> i want it to stay at 200% forever
[01:31] <cheater> even when the resolution changes
[01:32] <kevr> cheater: so, is it resetting only when the resolution changes?
[01:32] <kevr> or when does it happen
[01:32] <cheater> or when i reboot
[01:32] <cheater> that's all
[01:32] <kevr> gotcha
[01:33] <kevr> cheater: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1230332/display-setting-reset-after-reboot-ubuntu-20-04-focal-fossa
[01:33] <kevr> i'm not sure if this is a serious bug or not, but apparently you can just set it with gsettings
[01:33] <kevr> you could technically run that when your gnome starts or something
[01:33] <oerheks> do the scaling from vbox .. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/HiDPI#VirtualBox
[01:33] <kevr> just keep in mind that you set that script up if you do
[01:34] <kevr> oerheks: he's using a windows guest.
[01:34] <kevr> he's not even talking about his virtual machine
[01:34] <oerheks> yes he is..
[01:34] <cheater> kevr: it says the bug is due to fractional scaling. but i don't have fractional scaling turned on.
[01:35] <kevr> cheater: i'd say tias
[01:35] <cheater> kevr: i'm using a windows HOST and a ubuntu GUEST.
[01:35] <kevr> ...alright, yeah, i've just been confused.
[01:35] <kevr> gg.
[01:35] <cheater> oerheks: i don't want to use scaling in vbox. all that does is duplicate the pixels. i want desktop scaling, meaning high-dpi fonts and GUI
[01:35] <cheater> kevr: yeah... quite a bit
[01:36] <cheater> hmm..
[01:36] <cheater> $ gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.interface scaling-factor
[01:36] <cheater> uint32 0
[01:36] <cheater> i've set it to 2. let's see what that does.
[01:36] <cheater> yep! that fixed it.
[01:36] <kevr> interesting
[01:36] <cheater> thanks a lot kevr. really appreciated.
[01:37] <cheater> it's funny that the config page that i posted a screenshot of doesn't set this setting
[01:37] <cheater> i DID do a diff on my gconf database when changing this setting
[01:37] <kevr> oh weird.
[01:38] <kevr> no problem man, i'm happy it got fixed up. i'm honestly surprised that alone would just fix it in a guest. i'd think there was some deeper integration with vbox/vbox guest utils that needed to be managed for that.
[01:39]  * kevr shrugs
[01:40] <cheater> thanks a lot kevr
[01:41] <cheater> yeah there's something called "seamless mode" but i don't have that turned on, i could never get it to work
[01:41] <cheater> and i don't really care for it either
[01:41] <kevr> cheater: how is the performance of the ubuntu guest?
[01:42] <kevr> just curious, because quite a while ago i setup a virtualbox setup on a macbook and put debian on there, but when i tried to run it in fullscreen, the performance just tanked even at 1080p.
[01:42] <kevr> i wonder if they've made things better
[01:43] <cheater> it's pretty good since i changed the driver to VMSVGA and turned on 3D acceleration.
[01:43] <kevr> hm. i'll have to give it another shot!
[01:43] <cheater> i think VMSVGA is fairly new. there were some other high perf options before it, but they got disabled by some windows update or whatever.
[01:43] <kevr> ic
[01:44] <cheater> personally i keep all my ubuntu settings inside an ansible playbook, so in case i want to try it out in a new setup, i can just run the setup once non-interactively and it'll be done within 10 minutes.
[01:45] <cheater> all the packages, snaps, stuff i install from source, node js packages, and obviously gsettings etc
[01:45] <cheater> and dot files
[01:55]  * kevr should really setup a dotfiles repo for himself
[02:35] <mozzarella> can I use a network camera as a webcam?
[03:21] <Nitrousoxide> How can I check if a given package is installed?
[03:22] <Nitrousoxide> I was given this command but it doesn't seem to work how I'd expect `apt -qq list [pkg]`
[03:27] <Bashing-om> Nitrousoxide: ' fpkg -l <paxkage> is one way ... "ii" in 1st field is installed.
[03:27] <Bashing-om> dpkg**
[03:49] <Nitrousoxide> Thanks
[03:51] <Bashing-om> Nitrousoxide: :D
[04:13] <mattfly> How to know this on ubuntu 20.04?
[04:13] <mattfly> https://www.tecmint.com/create-multiple-ip-addresses-to-one-single-network-interface/
[04:15] <mattfly> theres no /etc/network/interfaces... everything i find is too old
[04:15] <oerheks> mattfly, correct, use netplan for this; https://askubuntu.com/a/1242836
[04:17] <oerheks> or the gui/network manager https://www.how2shout.com/linux/assign-multiple-ip-address-to-ubuntu-20-04-single-network-interface-gui/#Add_Multiple_IP_addresses_to_Ubuntu_2004_NIC_using_GUI
[06:37] <the_actor> I have a Proxmox VE box that the boot drive failed in. I had to reinstall Proxmox VE on a new drive. I cant seem to mount the existing LVM2 images to restore the VM hard drives... I keep getting "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/mapper/Terabyte-vm--104--disk--1, missing codepage or helper program, or other error." Any ideas?
[06:57] <p0a> Hello I am using `gpg' on 20.04.2 LTS and `gpg --version' reports libgcrypt 1.8.5
[06:57] <p0a> There was a bug introduced in libgcrypt 1.9.0 and I am curious if I ever used that version in my system, how can I check?
[07:16] <nirakara> hi i am trying to install Kubuntu 20.04 (latest iso) onto an Dell XPS 9350 which already has debian installed (without UEFI/Secure boot). When i boot from USB often the USB doesnt show up, UEFI or Legacy boot both. I often have to switch usb ports or toggle UEFI/legacy boot to get it to show again. Once i get through to grub, it shows me the splash before dropping to a message saying "no medium for live
[07:16] <nirakara> container found"
[07:16] <nirakara> i have tried adding `nomodeset` to grub params
[07:19] <summonner> Kubuntu is in #kubuntu not this channel nirakara
[07:36] <nirakara> summonner: i wasn't aware that kubuntu customises the install procedure to such an extent that this would be a kubuntu specific issue...thanks
[08:07] <openface> what can i use like rufus for brun images
[08:08] <openface> with uefi
[08:13] <nirakara> *bump* if anyone could help with my install issue above
[08:17] <p0a> nirakara: have you checked the integrity of your iso?
[08:56] <DJones> 3
[09:02] <nikolam> I suppose, "askubuntu.com" is not related to Canonical or it is? If it is not, Why it re-uses ubuntu brand name?   Being offensive toward objects and sites and machines is not offensive to people and you should not complain if people are not offended nor you.
[09:08] <p0a> lol
[09:08] <nikolam> p0a, You didn't get it, depending on google for such services of pop-ups is not needed.
[09:09] <nikolam> p0a, And if have Ubuntu branding, it is Ubuntu issue, included in the question. It is re-using Ubuntu branding.
[09:09] <rory> that feedback should go to the Stack Exchange developers https://meta.stackexchange.com/
[09:10] <p0a> nikolam: nominative fair use
[09:12] <rory> "There isn't a commercial relationship with SE and Canonical. Ask Ubuntu was first proposed as a community effort and reached enough critical mass to get the support of Canonical. (Things like the theme matching, etc.) "
[09:12] <rory> https://meta.askubuntu.com/a/14548/62969
[09:12] <aiena> I would like to use DKMS to build a kernel module on each kernel update can anyone recommend tutorials which I can read to acheieve the same on ubuntu?
[09:23] <nikolam> aiena, itsn't OpenZFS in Ybuntu doing the same thing on kernel update (re-compiling modules). maybe looking at it from inside Ubuntu would clarify how to?
[09:52] <nikolam> thanks rory, seems they are more then aware they are google-dependant https://ibb.co/q1Hs7Y0
[10:05] <Koopz> does tar apply permissions right after extracting a file or does it happen after it extracted all files?
[10:07] <legreffier> Koopz: it's an interesting question ! it does upon extracting each file
[10:08] <legreffier>  /!\ WARNING : in the case of some archives (ie. package files), some right COULD be modified after the extraction (with post-inst scripts and such)
[10:39] <codecutter> java -agentlib:jdwp=transport=dt_socket,server=y,suspend=n,address=*:5005 -jar myjar.jar
[10:39] <codecutter> ERROR: transport error 202: gethostbyname: unknown host
[10:39] <codecutter> ERROR: JDWP Transport dt_socket failed to initialize, TRANSPORT_INIT(510)
[10:40] <codecutter> JDWP exit error AGENT_ERROR_TRANSPORT_INIT(197): No transports initialized [debugInit.c:750]
[10:45] <codecutter> nvm
[10:53] <nikolam> When I open PDF from Thunderbird over ssh -X, before 20.04 it was fast. Now I wait for 15 second for it to open in "Atril" PDF viewer over ssh..
[10:55] <nikolam> I am on 20.10
[11:09] <tatertotz> nikolam: are both computers on the same network/LAN?
[11:11] <tatertotz> nikolam: if the two computers are NOT on the same network/LAN have you compared everything between the point "A" computer and the point "B" computer?
[11:11] <ash123> anyone knows what does this log mean? sender: "gnome-session-b" message: "CRITICAL: We failed, but the fail whale is dead. Sorry...." priority: 2
[11:12] <codecutter> Trying to attach a remote debugger to a reverse proxy server running digital ocean virtual box but I keep gettting Error running 'ProdductionDebug': Unable to open debugger port (my_ip:_5005): java.net.ConnectException "Operation timed out (Connection timed out)"
[11:12] <codecutter> not sure if this is a reverse proxy config issue, how do i rule this out?
[11:12] <codecutter>  'nc -zvw3 my_ip _my_port' is a success
[11:19] <tomreyn> ash123: that's probably /usr/lib/gnome-session/gnome-session-binary failing to initialize or handle some changes (such as display changes, power management events etc.), usually its connection to the Xorg server has failed. This error message is an exceptionally bad one, but you should find more contextual information in your logs.
[11:20] <codecutter> firewall issue - solved
[11:20] <ash123> tomreyn: can you please guide to find more logs? I see these logs only in "logs" application in ubuntu
[11:22] <ash123> I have many issues on my laptop with ubuntu 20.04 and amd ryzen 5. e.g. brightness doesn't change, screen freezes randomly, touchpad doesn'y work sometimes, short battery life than windows 10
[11:25] <tomreyn> ash123: the "logs" application would be the right place. you can alternatively view the logs in a temrinal: journalctl -b
[11:26] <tomreyn> ash123: feel free to post those online by sending the output to termbin.com, using:   journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999
[11:27] <ash123> https://termbin.com/t4un
[11:28] <tomreyn> do you know for sure that you actually need all of these workarounds?  pci=noaer iommu=pt ivrs_ioapic[4]=00:14.0 ivrs_ioapic[5]=00:00.2 rcu_nocbs=0-7 processor.max_cstate=1 acpi_backlight=video
[11:28] <tomreyn> some of them will also cause decreased performance, and can cause side effects
[11:30] <nikolam> tatertotz, It is the same computer, I just do ssh -h localhost , so I can use Thunderbird as another user...
[11:31] <ash123> i tried some parameters as my system used to freeze randomly. I dont have a perfect solution yet
[11:31] <tomreyn> ash123: This is a HP ENVY x360 Convertible 15m-bq1xx/83C6, BIOS F.21 04/29/2019   - I also have an HP x360 convertible (Intel based, though), which has a lot of complexity in its embedded controller and firmware. And it benefits a lot from firmware upgrades. but you'Re running a really old one.
[11:32] <ash123> so you suggest bios update?
[11:32] <tomreyn> as a first measure, yes
[11:35] <tomreyn> then boot once without all the kernel command line parameters and see whether you're getting better results.
[11:35] <ash123> there is only one bios update that i see on hp's website for my laptop and it doesn't give much info.https://support.hp.com/ca-en/drivers/selfservice/swdetails/hp-envy-15m-bq100-x360-convertible-pc/16851057/model/18967057/swItemId/ob-254863-1
[11:37] <tomreyn> right, the changelog only mentions "Provides enhanced security. NOTE: HP strongly recommends transitioning promptly to this updated BIOS version which supersedes all previous releases."
[11:37] <tomreyn> it's a security update, you should have that, but it will probably not solve any of these problems.
[11:38] <ash123> ok. let me try upgrading bios and see. I hope that all the issues get resolved.
[11:38] <ash123> Thanks
[11:43] <tomreyn> is this a 15m-bq121dx then?
[11:44] <ash123> yes
[11:45] <tomreyn> That's a Ryzen 5 2500U CPU with Vega 8 graphics, which, I think, is a Zen1+ generation.
[11:46] <tomreyn> actually Zen1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_Ryzen_processors#Zen_based_2
[11:47] <tomreyn> so this should not require a newer kernel than you already have
[11:48] <ash123> what does that mean? I don't have much information on hardware
[11:48] <ash123> can you suggest the kernel version to use?
[11:48] <tomreyn> i'm saying what you have now should be fine.
[11:50] <ash123> ok
[11:52] <tomreyn> once you finished the bios upgrade, i suggest you boot once without any of the kernel commandline parameters (if you can, or as many removed as possible, especially pci=noaer and iommu=pt) and produce another log, and share that
[11:52] <tomreyn> but i need to leave it there for now, need to get some work done.
[11:54] <tomreyn> if your desktop fails to come up properly without those options but the boot still took place (it did not freeze or reboot immediately without the extra parameters set) then you can just reboot WITH your custom parameters and access the previous' boot's logs using: journalctl -b -1
[11:55] <lotuspsychje> didnt follow all, but ryzen often benefits with higher kernels too
[11:58] <tomreyn> ash123 is running Linux 5.8 on a Zen 1 generation laptop with integrated (AMD) graphics. i don't expect it to need a newer kernel, but it's always worth a try.
[11:59] <lotuspsychje> yeah 5.8 sounds a good to go
[11:59] <lotuspsychje> maybe another user test to see if its gnome/user related?
[12:08] <lupulo> lotuspsychje that is true, the new is always red hat engineers make more efficient the ryzen core thousand from kernel 5.7
[12:43] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[13:09] <elias_a> What is the simplest way of getting audio tone controls or a parametric equalizer to 20.04?
[13:10] <elias_a> 20.04 does not seem to have any kind of controls by default....
[13:22] <Maik> elias_a: maybe search for which are available on Ubuntu and install one
[13:23] <Koopz> mind blowing...
[13:24] <BluesKaj> elias_a, libasound2-plugin-equal, or pulseaudio-equqlizer
[13:25] <BluesKaj> er, pulseaudio-equalizer
[13:25] <elias_a> BluesKaj: TY
[13:25] <BluesKaj> yw
[13:26] <Koopz> i created an Ubuntu VM on a Hyper-V machine last week and executed a tar xvf of a 45GB backup on Hyper-Vs console instead of connecting via SSH and doing it there... on wednesday. When i checked this morning the command was still running
[13:27] <amosbird> Hello. How can I disable ipv6 resolution?
[13:27] <Koopz> hit CTRL + C, connected via SSH and ran it from here, it was done within lunch break
[13:28] <Maik> amosbird: https://itsfoss.com/disable-ipv6-ubuntu-linux/
[13:36] <agoodm> hi, does docker provide any protection if the code inside the container has an out of bounds read vulnerability?
[13:58] <g-w1> test
[14:02] <lotuspsychje> it works, we see you g-w1
[14:04] <g-w1> thanks!
[14:04] <JPSman> I noticed recently an important security update and I was wondering.  Is there a youtube channel that described the latest CVE's?
[14:05] <JPSman> or maybe a blog?
[14:05] <lotuspsychje> !usn | JPSman
[14:11] <Tas-sos> How can I understand if I have a problem with the  inodes  of a disk?
[14:13] <lotuspsychje> Tas-sos: a question for ##hardware ?
[14:13] <JPSman> My computer seems to freeze often: How can I view the logs to determine the problem?
[14:14] <lotuspsychje> JPSman: dmesg and journalctl -f in realtime
[14:15] <JPSman> lotuspsychje, what about after I restart ?  same commands only scroll up?
[14:17] <lotuspsychje> JPSman: journalctl -b -1 for a previous boot
[14:19] <Tas-sos> lotuspsychje: no for software
[14:19] <Tas-sos> I run a check from Icinga monitoring system, and for only only one VM ( who running a rsyslog server ) I got once a day the following critical status :
[14:19] <Tas-sos> DISK CRITICAL - free space: / 2846 MB (9.96% inode=97%); /var/foo 407641 MB (85.24% inode=100%);
[14:19] <Tas-sos> df results from "critical" VM ==> https://pastebin.com/raw/8DvUKXUw
[14:46] <mlokpc> Hello on 16.04.2 I see the following issue when I run a ntpq command "ntpq: read: Connection refused" what is the best way to debug this? Thanks
[14:46] <mlokpc> I know restarting ntp resolves it but I would like to know what could be the cause
[14:56] <metbsd> how to install 5.10 kernel in ubuntu server
[15:07] <ThinkT510> !mainline | metbsd
[15:08] <leftyfb> metbsd: why do you think you need 5.10?
[15:08] <leftyfb> mlokpc: maybe look at the ntp logs?
[15:09] <metbsd> i heard only 5.10+ support exfat
[15:10] <leftyfb> metbsd: A quick google for "linux kernel exfat" brings up https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.7-New-exFAT-Lands
[15:11] <coconut> metbsd, from 5.4 it does support exfat, iirc
[15:15] <iekfkk> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[15:15] <leftyfb> iekfkk: you probably have unattended-upgrades checking for updates or you didn't complete your last updates.
[15:15] <iekfkk> probably another process is using it after removing lock and lock-frontend same error
[15:16] <iekfkk> what upgrades hve to do with it
[15:16] <iekfkk> sudo apt upgrade -y same error
[15:18] <iekfkk> software updater: waiting for dpkg to exit
[15:20] <iekfkk> now software updater is updating;did it kill the process even though i restarted my pc
[15:23] <iekfkk> hi
[15:24] <iekfkk> software upgrader did it , and now i restarted and now why it's working ?
[15:24] <iekfkk> Supgrader did something
[15:29] <fdelacruz> dont know if this is the channel
[15:29] <leftyfb> !support | fdelacruz
[15:29] <fdelacruz> i just want to ask about the bootup screen in the rp4 installation
[15:31] <leftyfb> fdelacruz: rp4?
[15:31] <fdelacruz> raspberry pi?
[15:31] <leftyfb> fdelacruz: AFAIK, there is no installation screen. You flash a working install image to the microSD card
[15:32] <fdelacruz> right
[15:32] <fdelacruz> im talking about the initial screen
[15:32] <fdelacruz> booting up
[15:32] <leftyfb> fdelacruz: which version of ubuntu?
[15:33] <fdelacruz> in other versions of linux there's a brief multicolor screen
[15:33] <ogra> the splash screen is the same across all ubuntus ... it is plymouth on the desktop as well as on the Pi ...
[15:33] <leftyfb> fdelacruz: which version of ubuntu?
[15:34] <leftyfb> fdelacruz: oh you're talking about the pi firmware
[15:34] <ogra> the rainbow screen is a thing of the Pi bootloader ... you can en/disable it in the bootloader config file (config.txt on your first partition of the SD)
[15:34] <leftyfb> before the OS/kernel is even loaded
[15:34] <ogra> i dont think we disable it in the Ubuntu images though
[15:35] <fdelacruz> leftyfb: 20.04.1 server
[15:35] <fdelacruz> ogra: that's the thing, ubuntu seems to have disabled it
[15:35] <ogra> check config.txt
[15:35] <ogra> i dont think we do
[15:36] <ogra> (i dont run anything but Ubuntu Core on the tens of Pi's around my house though ... cant really tell anything about server or desktop)
[15:36] <fdelacruz> ogra: nothing there
[15:37] <ogra> right, so it isnt disabled
[15:37] <ogra> the boot might just be too fast to see it ?
[15:37] <fdelacruz> lol
[15:37] <ogra> pi4 jumps pretty fast from bootloader to kernel
[15:37] <fdelacruz> the big multicolor screen?
[15:38] <ogra> yes, the rainbow splash
[15:38] <fdelacruz> in rasbian and even kali is there a couple of secs
[15:38] <fdelacruz> anyways, was just wondering
[15:38] <ogra> its less than half a second on my Pi4's runing Ubuntu Core here
[15:39] <ogra> we definitely dont disable it by default
[15:39] <ogra> (i personally asked waveform about it and he refused since it gives some valuable info to the users if anything fails)
[15:39] <fdelacruz> i just rebooted
[15:40] <fdelacruz> i could see the big rasberry for like half a sec
[15:41] <fdelacruz> i thought it was a kernel setting maybe
[15:42] <waveform> big raspberry? oh you mean the screen with the bootloader diagnostics on it? (big raspberry top left, a QR code top right, and a bunch of other text below?)
[15:42] <fdelacruz> ogra: do you run headless?
[15:42] <fdelacruz> waveform: yes
[15:42] <ogra> some headless, some as kiosks
[15:43] <waveform> okay - in that case, no we don't disable it, but that's part of the EEPROM bootloader and more recent versions have sped it up considerably so whereas it might've hung around for a second or two before it's not uncommon to not see it at all now
[15:43] <ogra> (here is a kiosk one (still experimental) https://people.canonical.com/~ogra/UC20/pi-mediacenter-appliance/ )
[15:43] <fdelacruz> before that the gpu should do a test
[15:43]  * ogra was suspecting it was a speed thing betwqeen EEPROM and kernel ...
[15:43] <waveform> (at least when booting from SD or USB - it tends to stick around quite a bit for net booting)
[15:45] <codecutter> so i acidentally deleted this rule in my firewaall how do reenable it?  OpenSSH (v6)               ALLOW IN    Anywhere (v6)
[15:46] <codecutter> anyone?
[15:47] <Maik> codecutter: not sure but: sudo ufw allow ssh
[15:48] <codecutter> Its not the same rule: I see "22/tcp (v6)" instead of "OpenSSH (v6) "
[15:49] <Maik> then i don't know
[15:50] <waveform> codecutter, port 22 is ssh
[15:50] <codecutter> then why is the name diff?
[15:50] <codecutter> name = rule
[15:50] <waveform> that I couldn't guess - I only tend to deal with the firewall at the iptables level
[15:52] <fdelacruz> waveform: on all my other dists it sticks around enough to see it well
[15:52] <fdelacruz> here it is definetly disabled
[15:52] <fdelacruz> just it is no obvious where
[15:54] <waveform> I can assure you it's not - the only piece of config that affects the EEPROM bootloader is config.txt, and there's nothing in there to silence either the EEPROM diagnostics screen or the start*.elf rainbow screen
[15:54] <mlokpc> ntpq: read: Connection refused on Xenial 16.04.2 LTS
[15:54] <mlokpc> any ideas? NTP itself is running
[15:56] <waveform> fdelacruz, one thought does occur - which version of Ubuntu are you running? (sorry if you posted that above - I've not read the full back-scroll)
[15:59] <fdelacruz> waveform: i stand corrected!!
[15:59] <fdelacruz> i connected the rasberry to a big screen an I was able to see the rainbow
[16:00] <waveform> in older versions (focal and prior) we did include uboot between the start*.elf bootloader and the linux kernel - as that's considerably smaller than the kernel it did tend to make the rainbow screen disappear rather faster than was "usual" on raspbian
[16:00] <pavlos> mlokpc: paste the output of "netstat -lap | grep ntp"
[16:00] <waveform> but as far as I was aware that never affected the delay on the EEPROM stage
[16:01] <fdelacruz> it is a microsecond
[16:01] <fdelacruz> milli*
[16:02] <bruxc> Hey, hoping I could get some clarification. I'm having an issue with my new headset where it switches to mono when I use my microphone. If I switch to stereo, the mic doesn't work. I'm hoping from what I found researching this issue isn't true because there's implication that it's not possible. Any ideas on what to look into would be helpful.
[16:02] <bruxc> Thanks :)
[16:02] <bruxc> https://superuser.com/questions/1588750/mono-mic-instead-of-stereo-sound-for-bluetooth-headphones-on-ubuntu
[16:02] <fdelacruz> woow, i could hard see anything on this small screen i use to test
[16:02] <bruxc> Currently running Ubuntu 20.10 (pop_os) & HS70 bluetooth corsair headset.
[16:03] <fdelacruz> thanks a lot guys
[16:03] <fdelacruz> moving right along
[16:03] <leftyfb> bruxc: you'll have to seek support from PopOS
[16:03] <bruxc> Sounds good. Thanks for your direction :)
[16:03] <waveform> fdelacruz, no prob:)
[16:08] <mlokpc> pavlos: the output is nothing
[16:10] <mlokpc> pavlos: tends to happen after rebooting
[16:13] <mlokpc> pavlos: however ntp is active (exited)
[16:25] <pavlos> mlokpc: there should be an ntpd process running, ps -ef | grep ntpd
[16:29] <pavlos> mlokpc: "timedatectl status"   if ntp is off, enable it with "sudo timedatectl set-ntp on"
[16:41] <pavlos> mlokpc: see https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/network-ntp
[17:03] <clarkk> What is everyone's opinion on snap installations? Can they be trusted?
[17:04] <Maik> !discuss | clarkk
[17:25] <cart_man> Hey EVeryone. I am trying to install package -> sudo apt install libhidapi-dev  but it tells me I hold broken packages. When I try and run apt --fix-broken install
[17:25] <cart_man> it just does some stuff and then I run my original install again
[17:25] <cart_man> and the same thing happens
[17:25] <cart_man> What am I suppose to do about this?
[17:25] <cart_man> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[17:25] <cart_man> Ok so it needs some packages but why does it tell me they wont be installed?
[17:29] <blaklistd> cart_man: it depends on the package
[17:30] <blaklistd> If you do some searching, you'll find how to install the dependencies
[17:30] <blaklistd> First install dependencies, then the package
[17:31] <leftyfb> cart_man: what version of ubuntu and why do you need that particular package?
[17:33] <cart_man> leftyfb: I think im using 18.xx unless my ubuntu upgraded without my concent.
[17:33] <cart_man> I need it for a Rust package that uses USB to copy over binary files
[17:33] <leftyfb> cart_man: lsb_release -d
[17:34] <cart_man> leftyfb: -> Description:    Ubuntu 18.04.3 LTS
[17:39] <tomreyn> cart_man: if you can run this, it provides some info for examining this problem furthert:  sudo /bin/true && cat &>/tmp/aptlog < <(sudo grep -hEv '^([ ]*#.*)?$' /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*.list} 2>&1; sudo apt-get -y update 2>&1; apt-cache policy 2>&1; sudo apt-get -syV full-upgrade 2>&1;); nc termbin.com 9999 </tmp/aptlog && rm /tmp/aptlog
[17:40] <cart_man> tomreyn: whow that seems super dangerous on quick glance
[17:41] <tomreyn> it's not, but you can also cherry pick those commands you think are safe to run.
[17:42] <cart_man> tomreyn: -> https://termbin.com/v14j
[17:44] <tomreyn> cart_man: this contains output from different commands. have a look at the first part, which ends the line before "Package files:"
[17:46] <tomreyn> this is the output from "sudo apt update", and attempt to update information on all the apt software package repositories you have configured on this system. you will see several "EXPKEYSIG" message,s which indicate that the GPG key, this apt reposiutory has been signed with, has expired. this usually happens when you have configured third party apt repositories, and those have not received updates in a long time.
[17:47] <tomreyn> such software is then probably not safe to use.
[17:47] <cart_man> tomreyn: I can remove everything there accept for Brave browser
[17:47] <tomreyn> !ppa-purge | cart_man: Use this to remove software installed from a "personal package archive" (PPA)
[17:48] <cart_man> tomreyn: BTW ... why will it just not update those then and carry on with the rest? seems crazy that something unrelated gets botched for no reason right?
[17:48] <tomreyn> it does carry on
[17:49] <tomreyn> this is "sudo apt update", not the install command that failed
[17:49] <tomreyn> "apt update" does not update packages to the latest version, it updates information on available packages and package versions
[17:49] <cart_man> tomreyn: but what if I still want the brave browser though?
[17:50] <cart_man> tomreyn: Ohh I see
[17:50] <tomreyn> then you will need to find a non-expired gpg signing key for this repository, or use a different repository which provides it.
[17:51] <cart_man> tomreyn: what if I remove the PPA but not the software? Will that solve some of my issues? Cause I would DIE if I lose brave at the moment. With all the chached stuff it has
[17:53] <tomreyn> https://brave.com/linux/ seems to have instructions on how to install it. you probably just need to update the gpg signing key, not remove the apt software source
[17:54] <tomreyn> i.e. you probably just need to run    curl -s https://brave-browser-apt-release.s3.brave.com/brave-core.asc | sudo apt-key --keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/brave-browser-release.gpg add -
[17:56] <tomreyn> you also have "The repository [..] does not have a Release file." errors - this suggests the respective repository does not provide any packages for your current ubuntu release-
[17:56] <cart_man> tomreyn: Ok thanks I ran that one
[17:57] <cart_man> tomreyn: btw what do I cherry pick out of this line -> An error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used. GPG error: https://dl.yarnpkg.com/debian stable InRelease: The following signatures were invalid: EXPKEYSIG 23E7166788B63E1E Yarn Packaging<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:57] <cart_man> to run the PPA command?
[17:57] <cart_man> tomreyn: -> sudo add-apt-repository -r ppa:https://dl.yarnpkg.com/debian/stable?
[17:59] <CpAj0> hello is possible to enable a daemon that run a custom bash script when a key is pressed? i don't want a shortcut but when any key is pressed should run this script
[18:00] <leftyfb> CpAj0: you need to enable a keyboard shortcut to call a custom script
[18:00] <tomreyn> this is a 3rd party repository, not a PPA, so you can't use ppa-purge to remove it.    sudo add-apt-repository -r 'deb https://dl.yarnpkg.com/debian stable/main'   should work, but this won't uninstall any packages / package versions
[18:00] <tomreyn> cart_man: ^
[18:01] <cart_man> tomreyn: I will purge all of the packages apart from the brave one so thats fine
[18:02] <tomreyn> okay, once you're done with this, post the output of the original, long, command, again
[18:03] <cart_man> tomreyn: sudo ppa-purge 'deb https://dl.yarnpkg.com/debian stable/main'
[18:03] <cart_man> will that work?
[18:03] <cart_man> im confused ... like where does the ppa:  part come?
 this is a 3rd party repository, not a PPA, so you can't use ppa-purge to remove it.
[18:03] <tomreyn> PPAs are always hosted on ppa.launchpad.net
[18:04] <cart_man> tomreyn: ohhhhh
[18:04] <CpAj0> leftyfb, a shortcut for any key? :)
[18:06] <leftyfb> CpAj0: what do you mean exactly?
[18:07] <leftyfb> CpAj0: mind you, it would be a key combination. You can't just expect to create a shortcut for the J key and have your computer work properly
[18:10] <CpAj0> oh this makes sense
[18:10] <cart_man> tomreyn: Ok so I got this now _> https://termbin.com/fub0
[18:10] <cart_man> I removed both those packages twice
[18:10] <cart_man> the Wine one and the google one
[18:10] <cart_man> they dont seem to go out
[18:11] <cart_man> tomreyn: -> sudo add-apt-repository -r 'https://storage.googleapis.com/bazel-apt stable InRelease'
[18:11] <cart_man> and
[18:11] <tomreyn> cart_man: what's the command you ran and the output you got? on a pastebin?
[18:11] <cart_man> and-> sudo add-apt-repository -r 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/nesthib/weechat-stable/ubuntu bionic Release'
[18:11] <cart_man> tomreyn: the output for both was nothing
[18:12] <tomreyn> you can't just copy + paste theoutput from "apt update" there
[18:12] <tomreyn> use that of apt policy
[18:13] <tomreyn> or take the line that's configured in /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}
[18:13] <tomreyn> either should work
[18:17] <donofrio> what is the lsof command to map ports to pids?
[18:22] <cart_man> tomreyn:  Ok so I went to /etc/apt/source.list/yarn.list and took the line from there. Ended up like this -> sudo add-apt-repository -r 'https://dl.yarnpkg.com/debian/ stable main' and tried with the deb also. But when I run the big command it still tells me err YARN and Bazel is issues
[18:27] <tomreyn> cart_man: what was / is the output of     sudo add-apt-repository -r 'https://dl.yarnpkg.com/debian/ stable main'
[18:27] <tomreyn> use paste.ubuntu.com
[18:31] <cart_man> tomreyn: I swear it doesnt say anything. It just terminates without any cout. Im sorry if I am misunderstanding something here
[18:32] <tomreyn> cart_man: hmm, okay, sorry, i didn't understand this part. that's strange. can you show the output from the large commandline again?
[18:32] <tomreyn> the updated output
[18:32] <cart_man> tomreyn: coming up
[18:33] <cart_man> tomreyn: -> https://termbin.com/vr9t
[18:36] <tomreyn> cart_man: sudo add-apt-repository -r -m 'https://dl.yarnpkg.com/debian stable' 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:38] <cart_man> tomreyn: -> https://termbin.com/xqnf
[18:40] <tomreyn> cart_man: any output here?    sudo add-apt-repository -r 'deb https://dl.yarnpkg.com/debian/ stable main'
[18:40] <cart_man> tomreyn: nope
[18:41] <tomreyn> cart_man: and the repository is still active?
[18:42] <tomreyn> cart_man: if so, then just remove it manually. it's probably two separate files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ and /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/
[18:43] <cart_man> tomreyn: So can I remove the folders like yarn.list and yarn.list.saved?
[18:43] <tomreyn> one set of files in each directory for yarn, and another for bazel
[18:44] <tomreyn> /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.saved are just 'backup' copies anyways, you can safely remove (or keep) them
[18:44] <tomreyn> you also want to remove the dl.winehq.org repository
[18:45] <cart_man> tomreyn: where?
[18:45] <tomreyn> and the nesthib/weechat-stable ppa
[18:45] <tomreyn> files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ and /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/
[18:47] <gnUser> Hi guys, are there slack compatible FOSS clients?
[18:49] <cart_man> tomreyn: ok but deleting these folder do remove them from the repository right?
[18:49] <cart_man> tomreyn: I mean removes dl.winehq.org repo
[18:49] <tomreyn> cart_man: "folder", as in "directory"? you shoul dnot remove any directories, just matching files
[18:51] <tomreyn> deleting the matching files will remove those repository configurations, so    apt update    will no longer consider software packages available there
[18:51] <cart_man> tomreyn: Ok i backed them up so its fine. I can just replace them and then remove the files inside. BTW.... interestingly enough the ones I was trying to remove using apt-rep tool was only in /etc/apt/source.list.d and not in the trusted.gpg.d one
[18:51] <cart_man> tomreyn: Oh I see
[18:52] <tomreyn> if it wasn't in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ then it was probably some line in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg
[18:52] <tomreyn> if it wasn't in /etc/apt/source.list.d then it was probably some line in /etc/apt/source.list
[18:53] <tomreyn> if it wasn't in /etc/apt/sources.list.d then it was probably some line in /etc/apt/sources.list   << this rather
[18:54] <tomreyn> err, sorry again, /etc/apt/trusted.gpg is a gpg public keyring, not a line-based file, you'd need to use    apt-key list    and    apt-key del <keyid>     to clean it up
[19:01] <cart_man> tomreyn: Ok so this is where I am at now -> https://termbin.com/md8w
[19:01] <cart_man> looking better
[19:01] <cart_man> appart from the missing deps down in the file
[19:02] <tomreyn> cart_man: now remove or update the ubuntu release versioned microsoft repository URLs
[19:02] <tomreyn> e.g.   deb [arch=amd64] https://packages.microsoft.com/ubuntu/19.04/prod disco main
[19:03] <tomreyn> + cosmic
[19:04] <cart_man> tomreyn: Using sudo add-apt-repository -r  right?
[19:04] <tomreyn> whichever method you succeed with
[19:04] <tomreyn> add-apt-repository -r ...   or manual editing
[19:07] <cart_man> but is the Microsoft packaage a problem?
[19:10] <tomreyn> cart_man: this repositoy, based on the url, provides packages incompatible to your ubuntu release.
[19:11] <cart_man> tomreyn: -> https://termbin.com/tivl
[19:11] <cart_man> I removed that
[19:11] <tomreyn> you are running, or trying to run, more or less, ubuntu 18.04 LTS, from what i can tell
[19:11] <cart_man> tomreyn: I really think there should be some PURGE ALL command .... lol this was roughly an hours effort and im still but confused hahaha
[19:12] <tomreyn> as long as you don't use unsuitable, unsupported third party repositories, you don't run into such problems
[19:12] <tomreyn> let's see the   sudo apt --fix-broken install   output now
[19:13] <tomreyn> actually, you still have this   https://packages.microsoft.com/ubuntu/18.10/prod cosmic/main
[19:14] <tomreyn> ubuntu 18.10 "cosmic" is (or rather, was, it reached end of life ~2 years ago) not ubuntu 18.04 LTS "bionic".
[19:16] <tomreyn> we've so far done about 30% of cleaning up this messy configuration you had (and in parts, still have) there
[19:16] <blahboybaz> The mouse wheel on my external mouse (I'm on a laptop) stops working after a little while after starting up. What can I do to fix it?
[19:17] <cart_man> tomreyn: ok running sudo apt --fix-broken install now
[19:18] <cart_man> tomreyn: lol how ouch ok
[19:18] <cart_man> ok soo is the output now
[19:18] <cart_man> necessary?
 let's see the   sudo apt --fix-broken install   output now
[19:19] <cart_man> tomreyn: ugh soz my bad
[19:19] <cart_man> tired
[19:19] <tomreyn> no problem ;)
[19:21] <Iarla> Is there a more reliable (even if propriatary) alternative to OBS? I've tried it on two different machines and had varying issues (Nvidia/AMD).
[19:29] <cart_man> tomreyn: Ok so its taking ages to run sudo apt --fix-broken install  >> output.txt
[19:29] <tomreyn> cart_man: probably because it's waiting for you to input something
[19:30] <cart_man> tomreyn:  lol
[19:30] <tomreyn> adding -y will make it assume yes on ALL prompts
[19:31] <tomreyn> there is also --assume-no for apt-get (may also work for apt)
[19:32] <cart_man> tomreyn: -> https://pastebin.com/rXMidpyT
[19:33] <tomreyn> what ">> somefile" does is to redirect any non-error/warning messages to the given file. if you want to catch both, you need to use "&>" instead
[19:33] <tomreyn> ... or ">> file 2>&1" for non bash shells
[19:35] <tomreyn> now try this: sudo dpkg --purge libnvidia-common-450-server
[19:36] <tomreyn> if it succeeds, run    sudo apt --fix-broken install    again, and share its output again
[19:37] <cart_man> tomryn -> dpkg: warning: ignoring request to remove libnvidia-common-450-server which isn't installed
[19:38] <tomreyn> cart_man: my bad. let's try this instead - note that you may loose your graphics desktop until it's fully fixed, though:    sudo dpkg --purge libnvidia-common-450
[19:40] <cart_man> tomreyn: will it be easy to fix though if I lose it?
[19:41] <tomreyn> an alterantive approach you can try:   sudo apt --fix-broken install libnvidia-common-450-server-    (yes, this trailing dsh is correct)
[19:41] <cart_man> tomreyn: problem is I wont be able to talk to you then lol \
[19:41] <tomreyn> cart_man: yes, it will be easy, as long as you know how to work on a terminal, and can communicate with us here through a different system, or know how to use irrsi.
[19:42] <tomreyn> *irssi (weechat may also work)
[19:43] <tomreyn> ctrl-alt-f3..7 switches between virtual temrinals
[19:43] <tomreyn> !webchat
[19:44] <cart_man> tomreyn: -> sudo apt --fix-broken install libnvidia-common-450-server-
[19:44] <cart_man> ups
[19:44] <cart_man> libnvidia-common-440-server : Depends: libnvidia-common-450-server but it is not going to be installed
[19:45] <tomreyn> there's a web chat available at https://webchat.freenode.net/#ubuntu
[19:45] <tomreyn> okay, try the dpkg command then
[19:46] <tomreyn> sudo dpkg --purge libnvidia-common-450
[19:46] <tomreyn> and the alternative should correctly have been    sudo apt --fix-broken install libnvidia-common-450-
[19:46] <tomreyn> (my mistake there)
[19:50] <cart_man> tomreyn: -> https://pastebin.com/fZc1ipfg
[19:50] <cart_man> tomreyn: no worries
[19:50] <cart_man> so I can retry that alt though
[19:53] <tomreyn> the fastest approach will be    sudo apt purge *nvidia*
[19:54] <tomreyn> but this will make graphics use the nouveau, or the vesa fall-back driver
[19:55] <tomreyn> just until that's sorte dnad you install it again, though
[19:55] <tomreyn> just until that's sorted and you install it again, though  << typos fixed
[19:56] <cart_man> tomreyn: Well is there perhaps a way to see if I am actually using the NVIDIA driver? I am under a strange suspicion that I am not actually using that one
[20:01] <cart_man> tomreyn: https://pastebin.com/DNXzW8bj
[20:01] <cart_man> there  is something very interesting.
[20:01] <cart_man> how can I be using BOTH at the same time?
[20:02] <cart_man> tomreyn: because I am about to run the -> sudo apt purge *nvidia*  command
[20:02] <tomreyn> cart_man: this may tell:   journalctl -b | grep -C2  'Module class: X.Org Video Driver'
[20:03] <tomreyn> but i'm not sure this will work for nvidia
[20:04] <JustTheDoctor> i am trying to login to my vnc, i keep getting to many auth failure's, before i would just restart the vnc but now it keeps doing it the second it restarts, i'm using TurboVNC can anyone lend a hand?
[20:04] <tomreyn> cart_man: sudo gpu-manager    should also tell
[20:06] <tomreyn> JustTheDoctor: you should probably be discussing the Ubuntu version and VNC server you are using.
[20:06] <leftyfb> JustTheDoctor: you should contact TurboVNC for support.
[20:06] <tomreyn> that, too
[20:06] <leftyfb> JustTheDoctor: TurboVNC isn't a supported apt or snap package in ubuntu
[20:06] <JustTheDoctor> it does the same with tightvnc also
[20:06] <leftyfb> JustTheDoctor: what version of ubuntu?
[20:07] <cart_man> tomreyn: -> https://pastebin.com/uY6cUvEN
[20:07] <cart_man> ohh shit.. seems like nouvuea is blacklisted even
[20:07] <cart_man> : /
[20:07] <JustTheDoctor> heh
[20:07] <JustTheDoctor> nevermind
[20:07] <cart_man> intel is loadable
[20:07] <leftyfb> JustTheDoctor: nevermind?
[20:08] <JustTheDoctor> yea, its deb. not ubuntu
[20:08] <JustTheDoctor> to many servers ;(
[20:08] <cart_man> tomreyn: Ok I am going to purge Nvidia
[20:08] <cart_man> wish me luck
[20:13] <tomreyn> cart_man: i think blacklisting nouveau is the first thing the proprietary nvidia driver does when installed. but there should stil be vesa.
[20:14] <tomreyn> i'm just not sure whether a system which is configured for nvidia proprietary drivers can properly fall back to that.
[20:20] <cart_man> tomreyn: yea what bothers me is how will running sudo apt remove nvidia-* KNOW how to revert those driver settings?
[20:24] <cart_man> so just incase... I downloaded the nvidia drivers
[20:26] <tomreyn> cart_man: "*nvidia*", not "nvidia-*"
[20:27] <tomreyn> those packages should reverse the configurations applied when they were installe dby the time they are uninstalled, or purged.
[20:28] <tomreyn> *reverT
[20:28] <Eickmeyer> ^ a little more in-depth: There are what are called "mainscripts" that run when a package is installed, upgraded, or removed. There are four: preinst, postinst, prerm, and postrm. Tells the system some specifics to do.
[20:33] <cart_man> tomreyn: Ok Ill be back if it all went well
[20:52] <cart_man> tomreyn: Ok so I just used sudo dpkg -P $(dpkg -l | grep nvidia-driver | awk '{print $2}')
[20:52] <cart_man> and it removed it like suprisingly quickly
[20:53] <cart_man> what was the purge command you said I should run?
[20:53] <cart_man> I also tried this right -> sudo apt install xserver-xorg-video-nouveau    but ot complained of the same broken packages as earlier today lol
[20:53] <cart_man> So im just about to purge it all
[20:54] <cart_man> tomreyn: It is still running however. With that driver removed somehow...
[21:00] <tomreyn> !irclogs | cart_man
[21:02] <tomreyn> you'll be running in non-accelerated vesa fallback graphics mode now
[21:02] <tomreyn> that, or nouveau
[21:06] <tomreyn> cart_man: so you could now run   apt list --installed '*nvidia*'    to see what would be removed, then   sudo apt purge '*nvidia*'   to remove it.
[21:07] <cart_man> tomreyn: ok so on the first command I get this -> https://pastebin.com/ce3HWw5K
[21:08] <cart_man> and then I run the purge command
[21:08] <cart_man> and get this
[21:08] <cart_man> tomreyn: -> https://pastebin.com/yUpxhLcS
[21:11] <tomreyn> cart_man: make it    sudo apt purge '*nvidia*' libcuinj64-9.1    then, and repeat adding packages with broken deps to the list of packages to be purged, if needed.
[21:13] <cart_man> ok that seemd to have been smotth sailing
[21:13] <cart_man> tomreyn: it ended with no errors
[21:15] <cart_man> tomreyn: I guess if I restart now I would know if I have normal displays going right?
[21:18] <tomreyn> cart_man: yes, but i think it would be better to actually fix the system first of all.
[21:18] <cart_man> tomreyn: ok so whats next?
[21:18] <cart_man> if I run apt list --installed '*nvidia*'  it comes back with nothing
[21:19] <tomreyn> see whether    sudo apt update && sudo apt --fix-broken install    finishes without erro now
[21:19] <tomreyn> you'll need to install a lot of upgrades seeing how you'r currently at 18.04.2
[21:20] <cart_man> tomreyn: it ended quit quickly that command
[21:20] <cart_man> tomreyn: with not errors
[21:20] <tomreyn> with a warning, or an error, or none?
[21:20] <tomreyn> ok
[21:20] <tomreyn> sudo apt full-upgrade -V
[21:21] <cart_man> tomreyn: nope no errors... which is great
[21:21] <cart_man> ok oging to run that update
[21:21] <tomreyn> and it only took 4 hours! :-)
[21:22] <cart_man> tomreyn: hahaha indeed! Thanks allot SERIOUSLY!
[21:22] <cart_man> its upgrading 718Megs of stuff so
[21:22] <tomreyn> those are the security and bug fixes you haven't had for the past years
[21:23] <cart_man> tomreyn: well I live on the edge as you can tell
[21:23] <tomreyn> :) i can tell, yes.
[21:28] <tomreyn> cart_man: and once the upgrades are done, you should install   apt-forktracer   and run it. this will list packages with ( installed ) and ( available ) versions, as well as [ apt sources ] for those. those without [ apt sources ] you should probably apt purge, or find a suitable apt source for, and configure that.
[21:30] <tomreyn> another things you should do is to run    dpkg -l | grep ^r     and apt purge the configurations for the packages listed that you no longer need / want to keep.
[21:33] <bugaloo> is there any channel about shellscript?
[21:34] <coconut> bugaloo, yes there is #bash
[21:34] <bugaloo> thanks coconut
[21:57] <eelstrebor> i seem to have a software updater - it alerts me to new packages but when i click on upgrade nothing happens - using apt works fine though
[21:59] <rdr> eelstrebor: what desktop?  GNOME?
[22:02] <cart_man> tomreyn: What is forktraces actual name though?>
[22:02] <cart_man> I cant seem to install it going atp-get install apt-forktrace
[22:03] <cart_man> tomreyn: aso getting a ton of apartment adds.
[22:03] <cart_man> anyway Ill be back tomorrow. Bed time. Thanks allot for the help I REALLY Appreciate it allot!
[22:03] <cart_man> good night
[22:05] <eelstrebor> rdr, i believe it's gnome, it's the default for 20.04
[22:06] <tomreyn> eelstrebor: are there any warnings or errors when you run    sudo apt update   or   sudo apt upgrade   or    sudo apt full-upgrade   ?
[22:13] <eelstrebor> tomreyn, no
[22:14] <tomreyn> then it's likey that the database this apt daemon thing keeps its state in is broken. i forgot the details. ;-)
[22:25] <pickerPT351> Installed Ubuntu 20.04 on a macbook (2011) with faulty AMD graphic card, edited grub to disable the card.
[22:25] <pickerPT351> After reboot I get the error: Failed to Set MokListRT: Invalid Parameter
[22:25] <pickerPT351> System goes black and I cant do nothing.
[22:25] <pickerPT351> After some search looks like the solution its to replace the shimx64.efi  with brubx64.efi
[22:25] <pickerPT351> But I don't have enough knowledge to do it in Live Ubuntu mode
[22:27] <rory> pickerPT351, from a live session, you can access the full contents of your hard drive in the GUI file manager
[22:27] <rory> pickerPT351, it just shows up there in the sidebar.
[22:28] <pickerPT351> other locations>computer
[22:30] <pickerPT351> boot > dont have the EFI/ubuntu
[22:31] <EriC^^> pickerPT351: you can tell the system which file to boot
[22:31] <EriC^^> type 'sudo efibootmgr -v | nc termbin.com 9999'
[22:33] <pickerPT351> now i type cp shimx64.efi ?
[22:34] <EriC^^> no, paste the link the command gives you
[22:36] <pickerPT351> nothing just a ">" after I typed the command you said
[22:37] <EriC^^> pickerPT351: are you in the live session?
[22:37] <pickerPT351> yes
[22:37] <pickerPT351> I cant run the system
[22:37] <EriC^^> aha i think you added a ' in the command
[22:37] <Bashing-om> pickerPT351: ^ do not include the quoate marks in the command sequence.
[22:37] <EriC^^> it's just   sudo efibootmgr -v | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:37] <pickerPT351> ups
[22:39] <pickerPT351> efibootmgr: command not found
[22:40] <EriC^^> pickerPT351: try "ls /sys/firmware/efi"
[22:40] <EriC^^> does it list dirs or says not found?
[22:40] <pickerPT351> list  dirs
[22:41] <pickerPT351> config_table  fw_platform_size  runtime      systab
[22:41] <pickerPT351> efivars       fw_vendor         runtime-map  vars
[22:41] <EriC^^> pickerPT351: ok, was it ever working? you said it worked and booted normally, then you edited grub to disable the card and it stopped working?
[22:42] <pickerPT351> never worked, I edited the grub to instal the system without the MAD graphic card
[22:42] <pickerPT351> because its faulty
[22:42] <pickerPT351> *AMD
[22:42] <EriC^^> oh ok
[22:43] <EriC^^> pickerPT351: i remember mac's needing some extra work to use uefi, have to install some grub 'blessing' package and stuff
[22:44] <EriC^^> did you do any of those stuff? or using refind?
[22:44] <pickerPT351> no, how can I do that?
[22:44] <pickerPT351> Im very noob on this
[22:45] <pickerPT351> I just found a topic on askubuntu, about this problem
[22:46] <EriC^^> https://heeris.id.au/2014/ubuntu-plus-mac-pure-efi-boot/
[22:46] <EriC^^> type 'sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999' and paste the link here
[22:48] <pickerPT351> in askubunut: they say I must replace grubx64.efi with shmx64.efi
[22:48] <pickerPT351> rror: Both the primary and backup GPT tables are corrupt.  Try making a fresh table, and using Parted's rescue feature to recover partitions.
[22:48] <EriC^^> pickerPT351: that doesnt sound good
[22:49] <EriC^^> do you mind to reinstall ubuntu on this mac?
[22:50] <pickerPT351> ok, gona do that!
[22:51] <pickerPT351> EriC^^ thanks for your time!
[22:52] <EriC^^> pickerPT351: no problem
[23:00] <pirla> Hello everyone. I have XUbuntu installed on my PC, but I absolutely need Windows for some tasks which I can't do in Linux. How can I do this without wiping my XUbuntu installation?
[23:06] <sarnold> pirla: could you run windows in a VM? is that good enough?
[23:07] <pirla> Sure, thanks. I didn't think about this solution. Thanks a lot!!!
[23:10] <kevr> does #ubuntu have a pulseaudio.service around for user services?
[23:11] <sarnold> what do you mean?
[23:12] <kevr> https://wiki.debian.org/PulseAudio since debian 8, debian has given out a user-based systemd service for pulseaudio.
[23:13] <kevr> i can't find that on ubuntu.
[23:13] <kevr> i understand they are different distributions, so i'm asking in here in case there's anything around that provides this rather than me copying a service file in there myself
[23:13] <sarnold> $ dpkg -L pulseaudio | grep /user/
[23:13] <sarnold> /usr/lib/systemd/user/pulseaudio.service
[23:13] <sarnold> /usr/lib/systemd/user/pulseaudio.socket
[23:13] <kevr> interesting..
[23:14] <sarnold> it should just be provided by the pulseaudio package