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[00:20] <slangasek> tyhicks: right, sorry it took so long but apparmor acked now
[00:30] <slangasek> balloons, sinzui: juju-core has broken autopkgtests, that'll need fixing to get the package into xenial (lxd test calls adduser, but the declaration that root is needed was dropped)
[01:20] <infinity> slangasek: Confirmed the seed fixed cleared up boost in c-m.  \o/
[01:35] <slangasek> yep!
[01:58] <tyhicks> slangasek: no problem - I'll upload in a bit


[14:04] <icey> heya - I'd like to get an ubuntu/member cloak :) https://launchpad.net/~chris.macnaughton is my launchpad!
[14:32] <hggdh> icey: hi, you understand that the new clock will replace the existing one, correct? It will be ubuntu/member/IceyEC
[14:33] <icey> hggdh: indeed, although I'd rather it be /icey if possible
[14:33] <hggdh> ack
[14:35] <hggdh> I have asked Freenode staff to set the cloak
[14:35] <hggdh> now we wait :-)
[14:42] <hggdh> icey: done
[14:44] <icey> thanks hggdh!
[14:44] <hggdh> yw


[13:42] <Armageddon> theGrg, o/
[13:45] <theGrg> \o
[18:36] <Armageddon> theGrg, o/
[18:36] <theGrg> \o\ \o| |o| |o/ /o/
[18:36] <Armageddon> m7addara :p
[18:36] <theGrg> Heh, yeah, I was expecting it
[18:37] <Armageddon> :p
[18:41] <Armageddon> theGrg, shou mishe 7alo arch ?
[18:41] <Armageddon> I figured it was an not up to date repository
[18:41] <theGrg> yeah.
[18:42] <theGrg> With the systemd-tools update it seems it was needed to update xorg. On the mirror I was using thre was no corg update yet.
[18:42] <theGrg> *xorg
[18:42] <Armageddon> what's systemd-tools ?
[18:43] <Armageddon> besides, why don't you move to a mirror that's fastly updated ?
[18:43] <theGrg> it's a packe that udev is now inside
[18:43] <theGrg> I changed my whole mirrorlist.
[18:46] <Armageddon> weird
[18:46] <Armageddon> we didn't move there yet
[18:46] <Armageddon> it's a system and service manager
[18:46] <Armageddon> is it RC ?
[18:47] <theGrg> https://www.archlinux.org/news/systemd-tools-replaces-udev/
[18:59] <Armageddon> e yimkin mishen hek
[18:59] <Armageddon> we are still outdated on the stable
[18:59] <Armageddon> we usually give it around a month of test before getting to stable (IF no bug reports were repoted)
[18:59] <Armageddon> if so, we'll fix them and give it some time to be tested by the community
[19:00] <Armageddon> this is a community driven distro
[19:00] <Armageddon> into ship first ask questions later
[19:02] <Armageddon> theGrg, btw
[19:02] <Armageddon> did you see my comment on what needs to be updated ?
[19:03] <theGrg> Where?
[19:03] <Armageddon> I meant backed up
[19:03] <Armageddon> it's on the group
[19:04] <theGrg> Yeah.
[19:04] <Armageddon> cool
[19:04] <Armageddon> lek
[19:05] <theGrg> I'm leking
[19:24] <Armageddon> eve_, is here o/
[19:25] <eve_> \o/ hi
[19:25] <theGrg> \o\ \o| |o| |o/ /o/
[19:26] <eve_> gymnastics
[19:31] <Armageddon> he's good at that :p
[19:31] <Armageddon> a lot of foo coding :p


[01:31] <nysosym> hi there :)
[01:32] <nysosym> kwwii, troy_s, what do u think about these? http://img456.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot1kr7.png
[01:34] <troy_s> Greets nysosym
[01:36] <nysosym> hi troy_s, how are u?


[15:16] <ev> switching to compiz in ubiquity-dm looks straightforward enough as compiz has the bailer plugin to fall back to metacity when the requisite hardware is not present
[15:17] <ev> and indeed, I've got it to work in exactly that scenario (kvm)
[15:18] <ev> but I'm getting a segfault (in XCreateGC) when the hardware is available
[15:18] <ev> I have to move onto other more pressing items, but I'll revisit it soon
[16:27] <cjwatson> superm1: a friend of mine is asking about a situation where the spec sheet for a machine on Dell's web page (UK, probably) lists Ubuntu as a supported OS, but the configurator rejects it.  What should he do about it?
[16:27] <cjwatson> I assume the Ubuntu team in Dell wants this stuff to be consistent
[16:27] <cjwatson> (apparently the "dell online chat" says it's actually not supported ...)
[16:27] <superm1> cjwatson, usually there are separate URLs for how to get to the ubuntu machines due to limitations in the configurator
[16:28] <superm1> it's not particularly user friendly in a lot of scenarios unfortunately, but if he starts at the landing page for the machine in question there should be a Ubuntu URL hopefully there.  if not, then he might have to do telesales to purchase it :(
[16:29] <cjwatson> superm1: thanks!  I'll pass that on ...
[16:30] <cjwatson> the online chat denying the existence of Ubuntu on this machine is troubling, though
[16:30] <superm1> if it's not on the landing page but he can get it through telesales, i'll be glad to at least file an internal bug on the site if you pass some particulars on the issue
[16:30] <cjwatson> he said "so the spec sheet is wrong?" and they said "sorry for the confusion"
[16:30] <superm1> it's possible in the region in question it's not distributed with ubuntu too
[16:30] <superm1> unfortunately another big confusion point
[16:31] <cjwatson> superm1: would you mind me putting him in touch with you directly?  I don't know how much you want end-user questions ...
[16:31] <cjwatson> (he's an ex-Canonical developer)
[16:31] <superm1> sure that's fine, i'll try to help however i can
[16:31] <cjwatson> thanks a lot
[23:09] <kirkland> are the current natty desktop images installable?
[23:09] <kirkland> they're not installing in kvm for me right now
[23:09] <kirkland> unrecoverable error after the username/password page
[23:10] <superm1> they're fairly crashy for me on intel gfx hardware
[23:10] <superm1> unless booted with nomodeset
[23:11] <kirkland> superm1: thanks
[23:18] <superm1> (sure.  also fyi i'm running in automatic mode for my tests, so it's possible that there are other issues exposed only in the gui i'm not aware of)


[06:35] <dholbach> good morning
[07:49] <obounaim> How to install the dependencies needed to build the source package using bzr bd -- -S
[08:54] <jamespage> obounaim, hmm - that can be awkward - when I'm building source packages from branch like that I generally use "-nc" in this situation
[08:54] <jamespage> nc = no-clean
[08:54] <jamespage> so you work around this issue
[08:55] <jamespage> the branch should be clean as anything that is not checked into bzr won't be included in the source package build
[08:55] <jamespage> "-nc" is less good advice if not building using git or bzr
[09:04] <obounaim> so the use of -nc should be avoided right?


[09:21] <REWind> crimsun, yes I get some outputs about it, a nice list though so I don't think I can give it to you here on the channel. It gives me the partitions and some other facts.. it worked for a few weeks ago. Stoped as well as my Java to work at a stage...
[09:21] <crimsun> REWind: paste onto http://pastebin.com
[09:21] <Luke> tritium_: thanks
[09:21] <WeirdAl> tritium, I installed packages. Having uninstalled packages again, I've got a gui.
[09:21] <josh42> delire_chilli_no; awesome.. I think I will stay away from dhlore - cnr linspire=yuccky, but I will def try the others :)
[09:21] <pztak> Raskall, visit ubuntuguide.org
[09:22] <WeirdAl> So if I install xorg-driver-fglrx, I can't have a GUI.
[09:22] <nickrud> pztak, I've been using evolution since it was beta, and I'm still waiting :)
[09:22] <pztak> nickrud, damn.. that's a pretty basic/important feature, i'd say
[09:23] <blueyed> crimsun, to create a /boot/grub/menu.lst you can run update-grub.. jfi.. :)
[09:23] <Raskall> pztak: why?
[09:23] <Nalioth> nickrud are you inciting conversation again?
[09:23] <nickrud> Nalioth, possibly :)
[09:23] <pztak> Raskall, you need to install a special package for mp3 because of IP restrictions/etc
[09:23] <crimsun> blueyed: yes, that's in the readme.
[09:23] <Raskall> pztak: guess you got to adjust your glasses. it wasnt me wondering about that.
[09:24] <Nalioth> ?? restrictd
[09:24] <[uhelp] > restrictd[x] : No defenition found for word.
[09:24] <Nalioth> ?? restricted
[09:24] <[uhelp] > restricted: To find out more about java, dvd playing, codecs etc. see - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:24] <Nalioth> raskall see uhelp 2nd answer
[09:24] <redby> Hello to all
[09:24] <crimsun> mkerby: can you confirm that it works with superkaramba 0.36?
[09:25] <REWind> crimsun, can you give me a hint what that site is all about, please? looks intressting but don't know how to classify things..
[09:25] <pztak> Raskall, i guess i should.. heh, Luke was wondering about that.. sorry..
[09:25] <Kisain_> is there a msn messenger for ubuntu?
[09:25] <InitMass> which package is needed when installing C programs from source?
[09:25] <mcphail> pztak: There used to be a mail checker applet, but i think it was removed in GNOME 2.10. Might be back in breezy.
[09:25] <crimsun> REWind: paste your sd-related output from dmesg onto there. It's used for troubleshooting.
[09:25] <Nalioth> crimsun what superkaramba thang r we talking about?
[09:25] <redby> Can anybody help me with dvd suport in Nautilus?? Please
[09:25] <Raskall> Kisain_: yes. lots.. but gaim is the one included in the default install. but you won't get video and audio conferencing. not games either. just the chatting.
[09:25] <Nalioth> InitMass, "build-essential"
[09:26] <crimsun> Nalioth: mkerby mentioned that something doesn't work with the superkaramba (0.35) in Hoary.
[09:26] <Kisain_> what would you recommend for ubuntu?
[09:26] <crimsun> Nalioth: if he can confirm that 0.36 fixes it, I'll upload 0.36 to Breezy.
[09:26] <InitMass> Nalioth, thanx
[09:26] <Raskall> Kisain_: Gaim is by far the best im app for linux.
[09:26] <jeroen_> Kisain_: I recommend amsn
[09:27] <Kisain_> i know but it seems to suck up cpu poer
[09:27] <jeroen_> Kisain_: Unless you also want to use Yahoo, AIM etcetera
[09:27] <Kisain_> power
[09:27] <Segosa> hmm what window manager do you guys recommend.
[09:27] <Kisain_> no just msn is what i use
[09:27] <pdk001> reboot
[09:27] <jeroen_> Kisain_: Then use amsn
[09:27] <ringmauer> how to start an ssh server on ubuntu?
[09:27] <pixman> Segosa, for integrity & usability: gnome
[09:27] <Kisain_> ok how do i find it?
[09:27] <jeroen_> Kisan_: It works very msn-like
[09:27] <Kisain_> nice
[09:28] <crimsun> ringmauer: when you install openssh-server, it's started automatically.
[09:28] <jeroen_> Kisain_: Do you know synaptic?
[09:28] <Raskall> Kisain_: amsn is also good, but my recommendation is to just start Gaim from "Applications->Internet"
[09:28] <Kisain_> yes
[09:28] <pixman> Segosa, for low ressources: fluxbox or windowmaker :)
[09:28] <Segosa> hm I haven't tried windowmaker
[09:28] <REWind> crimsun, will someone look at that and might change something in future updates is that the way it works? Thanks anyways...
[09:28] <jeroen_> Kisain_: well, it's in there
[09:28] <Segosa> I tried xfce earlier
[09:28] <pixman> xfce is cool
[09:28] <Segosa> anf fluxbox
[09:28] <Kisain_> cool
[09:28] <Segosa> and*
[09:28] <jeroen_> Kisain_: Just search for amsn
[09:28] <crimsun> REWind: we use it for large pastes/floods
[09:28] <Kisain_> gaim seems to suck my cpu power
[09:28] <pixman> Segosa, ave you tried gnome yet?
[09:28] <ringmauer> crimsun, okay but i cant acces it from putty, then something must be wrong
[09:28] <Segosa> yeah of course, it comes default :p
[09:29] <pixman> Segosa, don't like it? ;)
[09:29] <crimsun> ringmauer: netstat -ntl|grep :22
[09:29] <MightyF> yo momma
[09:29] <MightyF> w00t!
[09:29] <Segosa> I like it pixman, I was just curious in trying the others since unlike Windows, you actually get a choice with linux
[09:29] <Kisain_> how to change the colour or make gkrellm clear?
[09:29] <ringmauer> and how to stop it so noone can connect to me
[09:29] <REWind> crimsun, do you have an idea why SUNs Java engine stoped work as well here just before release of Horay?
[09:29] <crimsun> Kisain_: use a "clear" ("transparent") skin/theme
[09:29] <ringmauer> crimsun,
[09:29] <Kisain_> ok how?
[09:29] <Kisain_> i'm a noob
[09:29] <pixman> Segosa, true, true... ;) I recommend you to try fluxbox then
[09:29] <Kisain_> lol
[09:30] <crimsun> REWind: it works fine on my Hoary system (both 1.4.2 and 1.5.0)
[09:30] <jeroen_> Kisain_: DId the amsn install work?
[09:30] <crimsun> Kisain_: download a skin/theme and put it in ~/.gkrellm/themes/
[09:30] <Kisain_> beutifully
[09:30] <ringmauer> crimsun, still doesnt work
[09:30] <Kisain_> ok where can i find a theme?
[09:31] <crimsun> ringmauer: you haven't told me what that command displayed
[09:31] <Kisain_> it look just like msn yay
[09:31] <ringmauer> ringmauer@ubuntu:~$ netstat -ntl|grep :22
[09:31] <ringmauer> tcp6       0      0 :::22                   :::*                    LISTEN
[09:31] <jeroen_> Kisain_: Some tips: Tools -> Docking -> Freedesktop (KDE3/Gnome2)
[09:32] <jeroen_> Kisain_: If you do that, and minimize, amsn will be next to the clock
[09:32] <jeroen_> Kisain_: Just like msn does in windows
[09:32] <Kisain_> nice
[09:32] <Kisain_> thats awsome
[09:32] <Kisain_> i alredy found the tux theme
[09:33] <Kisain_> it's cute
[09:33] <REWind> crimsun, the 1.5 update2 worked as well fine for me, but when it stoped working I installed the 1.4.2 and when I visit a site with java the browser crashes! annoying it is!
[09:33] <jeroen_> Kisain_: It works the same as in windows (right click -> busy etc)
[09:33] <Kisain_> oh nice
[09:33] <crimsun> REWind: you have to use 1.5 update 3
[09:33] <Raskall> AGH... Rhythmbox sucks.. it defuncts and stops me from opening any other software.
[09:33] <iain_> LOL HAI!
[09:33] <Fish-Face> Hi, all! Ubuntuness!
[09:33] <Upayavira> three times now my shift and control keys have stopped working, on hoary. rebooting x sorts it. they work fine in a vmware session. anyone have ideas -
[09:33] <Kisain_> now i gotta get my gkrellm to have a clear theme and i'm set
[09:33] <Xenocide> LOL HAI THERE!
[09:33] <Kisain_> ^_^
[09:33] <Kisain_> this was easyer to set up than windows ^_^
[09:34] <ringmauer> anyone have time, and can tell me how to configure ssh for connection from putt
[09:34] <ringmauer> y
[09:34] <Beano> So who knows anything about rubyonrails?
[09:34] <Fish-Face> Hopefully I shall never need to download another ISO again :)
[09:34] <crimsun> ringmauer: can you ssh in from localhost?
[09:34] <Beano> Have you installed open-ssh?
[09:34] <Kisain_> if your usin ubuntu i don't think you will man ^_^
[09:34] <Fish-Face> Raskall, thanks for your help
[09:34] <Fish-Face> Now then... aMSN
[09:35] <ringmauer> crimsun, yes
[09:35] <jeroen_> Kisain_: for gkrellm skins, check here:
[09:35] <jeroen_> http://www.muhri.net/gkrellm/
[09:35] <Beano> ringmauer: you need to look in the /etc/ssh/sshd.conf or something like that
[09:35] <Nalioth> Raskall, compile rhythmbox yourself
[09:35] <crimsun> ringmauer: from where are you attempting to ssh in?
[09:35] <Kisain_> thanx jeroen
[09:36] <Kisain_> ^_^
[09:36] <ringmauer> my own computer
[09:36] <jeroen_> no problem :D
[09:36] <crimsun> ringmauer: is your own computer on a different subnet?
[09:36] <jeroen_> Fish-Face: what's with amsn?
[09:36] <ringmauer> Beano, nos such file of dir
[09:36] <ringmauer> crimsun, my own
[09:36] <crimsun> ringmauer: so the two computers are on the same subnet?
[09:36] <Upayavira> any ideas about how to recover my shift and control keys in hoary. otherwise, everything i type is lower case and i can't type question marks1
[09:36] <mkerby> I'll be back later.
[09:36] <jeroen_> Fish-Face: what's with amsn?
[09:36] <Beano> ringmauler: do whereis open-ssh server
[09:36] <Fish-Face> jeroen_, what do you mean, exactly?
[09:37] <ringmauer> crimsun, yes
[09:37] <jeroen_> Fish-Face, You said "Now then... aMSN"
[09:37] <jeroen_> Fish-Face, what do you mean?
[09:37] <crimsun> ringmauer: does the connection hang, or does it reject and return immediately?
[09:37] <Fish-Face> jeroen_, aMSN is an IM program
[09:37] <jeroen_> Fish-Face, I know; I use it myself
[09:38] <re|run> I installed gnome launch box. How can I make a keyboard shortcut to open it like quicksilver on OSX?
[09:38] <ringmauer> crimsun, it hangs up
[09:38] <crimsun> ringmauer: hangs, as in waits for several minutes?
[09:38] <Fish-Face> jeroen_, well, that's what I'm doing next, installing it
[09:38] <ringmauer> crimsun, exactly
[09:38] <jeroen_> Upayavira, what kind of keyboard do you have?
[09:38] <Raskall> Nalioth: maybe I will do just that.. But it may be a speed problem. I try to load music from a nfs-dir over wlan. maybe the nfs-share is just too slow.
[09:38] <tanek> is windows under win4lin supposed to run slower than on a 300mhz?
[09:38] <jeroen_> Fish-Face, okay :)
[09:39] <Upayavira> dell notebook. m60
[09:39] <Upayavira> uk keyboard
[09:39] <crimsun> ringmauer: can you ensure that packets are reaching your Ubuntu machine from your computer?
[09:39] <Nalioth> Raskall, you may have a point
[09:39] <Nalioth> Raskall, lack of bandwidh is a most destructive thing
[09:39] <Jurku> ringmauer: your ssh-server only listens for tcp6 connections?
[09:39] <ringmauer> crimsun, yes i think so, but il check it out,
[09:39] <jeroen_> Upayavira, system -> preferences -> keyboard
[09:39] <jeroen_> Upayavira, do all the keyboard setting look correct?
[09:39] <crimsun> Jurku: that's a common misunderstanding. That means it's listening on both ipv6 and ipv4
[09:39] <ringmauer> crimsun, another question, how to stop the ssh server no so noone can connect?
[09:40] <Raskall> Nalioth: Tried a single mp3 on local disk now. worked fine.. but I don't want to keep a local copy of my mp3's so rhythmbox is out of the q.
[09:40] <crimsun> ringmauer: sudo /etc/init.d/ssh stop
[09:40] <Jurku> crimsun: I had to uncomment that  Listen <IP_ADDRESS> to make it work :)
[09:40] <ringmauer> ok, and start to start it crimsun ?
[09:40] <crimsun> ringmauer: sudo /etc/init.d/start stop
[09:40] <Beano> Anyone installed Ruby on Rails on their ubuntu build?
[09:40] <tanek> does VMware lag as much as Win4Lin? :S
[09:41] <jeroen_> tanek, isn't the idea of win4lin to have it "integrated" in kernel sort of?
[09:41] <ringmauer> crimsun, start stop?
[09:41] <cusco> hi.. I was wondering....!
[09:41] <crimsun> ringmauer: s/stop//
[09:41] <jeroen_> tanek, I heard it's supposed to be faster than VMware and the likes
[09:41] <Raskall> tanek: vmware gives great performance. I'd estimate the performance of a 1 GHz system with 256 megs of ram with xp as a guest on my laptop.
[09:41] <crimsun> ringmauer: ssh start or ssh stop
[09:41] <ringmauer> ok tnx
[09:41] <cusco> I installed sendmail.. cool to use with evolution.. now.. I was wondering if other guys on my LAN could use MY sendmail to send some emails...
[09:41] <tanek> really? cause the 300hmz with 32mb ram at my school library run xp faster than i do with winforlin on my 2.2ghz
[09:42] <cusco> like trough a webpage or something like that....
[09:42] <Kisain_> ok i found a theme i like
[09:42] <Kisain_> where do i put it for gkrellm?
[09:42] <Upayavira> jeroen_: thanks. I just changed a setting there, then put it back to how it was, and now I have my shift key back! Much easier than restarting X. Thanks.
[09:42] <Raskall> tanek: I thought win4lin wasn't xp-ready yet?
[09:42] <jeroen_> Upayavira, great! :-)
[09:42] <jeroen_> Kisain_, scroll back
[09:42] <tanek> got win4lin 6, and its running xp
[09:42] <Raskall> tanek: or was that just the cheap version?
[09:42] <Kisain_> ok
[09:42] <jeroen_> Kisain_, someone told you
[09:42] <Raskall> tanek: ok..
[09:42] <Kisain_> oh ok
[09:43] <jeroen_> Kisain_, already
[09:43] <tanek> really dont know :S
[09:43] <Upayavira> jeroen_: yup. Although it shouldn't really happen.
[09:43] <buti> hi, could someone tell me which deb contains libnsl?
[09:43] <ringmauer> crimsun, tnx, ill try it later
[09:43] <ringmauer> bye
[09:43] <tanek> don't wanna talk about how i got it :P
[09:43] <jeroen_> Upayavira, yeah.. sorta strange
[09:43] <WeirdAl> should I load GLcore with the xserver for OpenGL?
[09:43] <buti> ? libnsl.so.1
[09:43] <Upayavira> jeroen_: Anything I should look at next time it happens, to help debug it?
[09:44] <tanek> got VMware too, but when i run vmware-config.pl it complains about not having the file /etc/vmware/locations
[09:44] <Mwnci> couple of questions. how can i bind the menu to the windows key and how do i get linux to go into hibernation?
[09:44] <jason> what's the easiest way to install new ubuntu packages on a machine with no net access?
[09:44] <doid> hmm
[09:44] <jeroen_> buti, if you can't find it, you might try http://packages.debian.org
[09:44] <doid> I use the rtl8180 win drivers with ndiswrapper, but the power of the card never seems to go on.
[09:44] <re|run> disregard my question... found the answer.
[09:44] <Kisain_> i know where to put it but i'm new to the linux file system can you give me a hint?
[09:44] <Mwnci> buti  do a search   apt-cache search libnsl
[09:44] <buti> jeroen_: it must be on the cd.
[09:44] <doid> It find the card, I can iwconfig / ifconfig it
[09:45] <buti> Mwnci: i can't.
[09:45] <doid> and it think it works, but it dosen't find any nets etc..
[09:45] <Kisain_> where to find the folder
[09:45] <doid> Anyone who has a similer problem a rtl8180?
[09:45] <jeroen_> Kisain_, I can help you :P
[09:45] <guttorm> i have no problems :)
[09:45] <mcphail> Mwnci: system -> prefs -> keyboard shortcuts
[09:45] <jeroen_> Kisain_, if you tell me where it goes ;)
[09:45] <Kisain_> sorry to be a bother man
[09:45] <Mwnci> buti  why noi?
[09:45] <Mwnci> not*
[09:45] <buti> Mwnci: i'm trying to install via nfs.. and i have no ubuntu system running.
[09:45] <Kisain_> gkrellm/themes?
[09:45] <Mwnci> arh
[09:46] <Mwnci> cant you get it to install then find it?
[09:46] <jeroen_> Kisain_, that isn't a valid directory
[09:46] <Upayavira> tanek: if you're using workstation 5, I could send you my /etc/vmware/locations file.
[09:46] <mcphail> doid: try ifdown eth0 first
[09:46] <jeroen_> Kisain_, do you mean ~/.gkrellm/themes ?
[09:46] <Kisain_> yea thats it it was a typo
[09:46] <tanek> Upayavira: that would be great!
[09:46] <Kisain_> i was just about to correct it lol
[09:46] <Mwnci> mcphail, i dont have a prefs under system
[09:46] <tanek> afaik im running 5 :P
[09:46] <jeroen_> Kisain_, well, ~ is your home folder
[09:47] <jeroen_> so it's like /home/kisain
[09:47] <Kisain_> oh that clears up alto
[09:47] <Kisain_> alot
[09:47] <Kisain_> i was wondring about that lol
[09:47] <Nalioth> Raskall, terabit wireless   ;0
[09:47] <jeroen_> Kisain_,the . means that it's some hidden file
[09:47] <buti> oh damn, it's libc6
[09:47] <jeroen_> Kisain_, can you open a terminal?
[09:47] <Raskall> doid: I use the same card. works like a charm. It was a 3-step install: "ndiswrapper -i inffile.inf; modprobe ndiswrapper; network-admin"
[09:47] <Kisain_> you just helped me out so much
[09:48] <Kisain_> yea why?
[09:48] <Raskall> Nalioth: :) that'd be great. :)
[09:48] <doid> It aint for me
[09:48] <Kisain_> i found the folder just drop the whole theme in it?
[09:48] <jeroen_> Kisain_, well go to your home folder (you should be there by default)
[09:48] <mcphail> Mwnci: i do :) try entering gnome-keybinding-properties
[09:48] <buti> ubuntu should really have nfs support in the installation phase.. (even if it were hidden from the installer)
[09:48] <Kisain_> i found it already
[09:48] <jeroen_> Kisain_, yeah, that's also possible
[09:48] <Kisain_> ahhh
[09:48] <Kisain_> sweet
[09:48] <jeroen_> Kisain_, read the README if there's one
[09:48] <FunnyLookinHat> any idea why time.h isn't found when I run scons?
[09:48] <Kisain_> nope theres not i checked
[09:49] <jeroen_> Kisain_, maybe it's a compressed archive
[09:49] <crimsun> FunnyLookinHat: you need build-essential installed
[09:49] <Mwnci> mcphail, I have found it but it will only let me bind win+another key
[09:49] <Mwnci> but its ok
[09:49] <zxc> how do you check your linux partitions size? (I'll write it down this time! ^^")
[09:49] <jeroen_> Kisain_, just try :P and then run gkrellm and see if it works
[09:49] <Kisain_> i clicked on the pkg that it downloaded and it opend it up and it had one folder
[09:49] <Kisain_> i draged it to the desktop
[09:49] <mcphail> Mwnci: press backspace first
[09:49] <jeroen_> Kisain_, okay, just try it ;)
[09:49] <Kisain_> and then to the themes folder
[09:49] <Kisain_> k
[09:49] <Kisain_> here goes
[09:50] <Kisain_> oh yea it worked!!!!
[09:50] <jeroen_> Kisain_, you might need to configure gkrellm, I don't know about that (what is it btw?)
[09:50] <Kisain_> you rock dude ^_^
[09:50] <jeroen_> haha thanks. It isn't that hard
[09:50] <Kisain_> i have it configured except for one thing
[09:50] <FunnyLookinHat> crimsun: you're a genius, thanks dude
[09:50] <jeroen_> I've only been using ubuntu since april ;)
[09:50] <jeroen_> (used Suse before though...)
[09:51] <Kisain_> the mail plugin don't work right?
[09:51] <mcphail> zxc: df -h
[09:51] <jeroen_> which one?
[09:51] <Fish-Face> Damn, GNOME 2.10 is nice
[09:51] <jeroen_> for Evolution?
[09:51] <Kisain_> um i'm not shure how do i tell?
[09:51] <jeroen_> GNOME 2.10 sure is nice, yeah :)
[09:51] <jeroen_> what does the icon look like? :P
[09:52] <jeroen_> or check help-> about or something like that
[09:52] <Kisain_> an envelope with a penguin
[09:52] <jeroen_> check help -> about plz
[09:53] <Fish-Face> Yearg... TK 8.4
[09:53] <jeroen_> I don't know the icon :(
[09:53] <Kisain_> damn
[09:53] <jeroen_> what?
[09:53] <josh42> quick and dirty: how do I add an app to the gnome menu?
[09:54] <Nalioth> josh42, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GnomeMenuEditingHowTo
[09:54] <josh42> perfect; thank you
[09:54] <Kisain_> it's a mail icon that has tux bouncing around in the panel
[09:54] <Kisain_> i think it's called mailcheck
[09:54] <jeroen_> sorry, I don't know the program
[09:55] <Kisain_> and it says 4/4 but thats when i installed it
[09:55] <Kisain_> ok
[09:55] <Kisain_> thanx anyway
[09:55] <jeroen_> What is it's function?
[09:55] <jeroen_> Might be able to help you anyway
[09:55] <Kisain_> to show you howmany messeges you have waiting
[09:55] <hypa7ia> hey, anyone know when Hoary CD's are going to be shipped?
[09:55] <jeroen_> what's the problem with it?
[09:56] <jeroen_> hypa7ia, maybe you should check some of the developer's blogs
[09:56] <Kisain_> brb
[09:56] <Kisain_> phone
[09:56] <jeroen_> okay
[09:56] <hypa7ia> jeroen_: i will do that, thanks :-)
[09:56] <Burgundavia> hypa7ia, to be more usefull, the cds will ship when they ship. You will be contacted
[09:56] <jeroen_> brb
[09:57] <REWind> crimsun, I downloaded the latest Java from SUN and at the same time deleted the installed java on my system. Noticed that update 2 is the latest availiable on Sun's homepage. It still doesn't work...
[09:57] <hypa7ia> Burgundavia: thanks :-)
[09:57] <comforteagle> what mailserver is customary to install on ubuntu/
[09:57] <klaym> I wasn't contacted when I ordered warty cd's
[09:58] <klaym> or you mean hoary live cd's aren't even finished yet?
[09:58] <jeroen_> back
[09:59] <hypa7ia> klaym: i get the feeling they're still working the bugs out in the shipit system.  i ordered 200 cd's this time, and did get an email from mako
[09:59] <WeirdAl> I've managed to get my xserver working again, but Ubuntu is defaulting to console mode when I start up my computer.
[09:59] <Burgundavia> hypa7ia, there is just so many cds they have to press and ship
[10:00] <WeirdAl> How do I get it to stop behaving badly?
[10:00] <Burgundavia> they shipped 1million warty cds
[10:00] <Senkila> 'lo
[10:00] <jeroen_> WeirdAl, doesn't it load gdm?
[10:00] <hypa7ia> Burgundavia: i was just reading that.  so awesome!
[10:00] <WeirdAl> Doesn't load anything. Just starts up in console.
[10:00] <hypa7ia> i gave away 20 plus another 15 i burned myself :-)
[10:00] <Burgundavia> hypa7ia, I suspect they will ship a few more for hoary
[10:00] <WeirdAl> I have to log in there and then startx
[10:00] <hypa7ia> i hope so!
[10:00] <IIIEars> Hello! - Can Ubuntu be installed to an external USB drive?
[10:01] <jeroen_> IIIEars, if that drive is big enough, probably yes
[10:01] <mako> klaym: the cds are finished and we've already shipped loads of them
[10:01] <jeroen_> WeirdAl, it's something with boot-up then; I can't help you. sorry
[10:01] <mako> i expect cds will start arriving very soon, if they haven't already
[10:01] <jeroen_> WeirdAl, at bootup, GDM should automatically start
[10:02] <redduck666> i am using ubuntu live cd and i got some message that something crashed and it asked me if i want to keep it in panel. i answered no. now when i run a program such as firefox or my terminal and minimize it it simplay dieappears (if i don't minimize a program it runs just fine). any help appreciated
[10:02] <IIIEars> Great my mother has her solution.
[10:02] <hypa7ia> mako: awesome!
[10:02] <mako> depends on where you are of course
[10:02] <hypa7ia> mako: canada?
[10:02] <WeirdAl> I know that, but I've been messing with xserver trying to get some 3d acceleration and it's not having it, and now GDM doesn't start either.
[10:02] <Nalioth> anyone know how to get the mac-on-linux modules into the runnin kernel? i've followed the ubuntu howto and it cant find the kernel module
[10:02] <jeroen_> WeirdAl, can you manually start gdm?
[10:02] <jeroen_> WeirdAl, sudo gdm
[10:03] <jeroen_> WeirdAl, would be the command I suppose
[10:03] <WeirdAl> There's no point, because I'll've logged in by then.
[10:03] <jeroen_> There is a point
[10:03] <hypa7ia> Nalioth: you've compiled the modules?
[10:03] <jeroen_> if it works
[10:03] <mako> hypa7ia: should be pretty soon
[10:03] <ompaul> IIIEars, of course she could use a live CD and save data to the usb - more productive I would think
[10:03] <hypa7ia> awesometacular :-)
[10:03] <jeroen_> you just need to get it to load at boottime
[10:03] <WeirdAl> Oh I see.
[10:04] <concept10> how do I modify grub.conf so that WinXP will boot by default
[10:04] <jeroen_> concept10, you don't modify grub.conf
[10:04] <jeroen_> concept10, you open a terminal
[10:04] <Nalioth> hypa7ia, done everything the how to says, get the "no mol modules found" when i start mol
[10:04] <Senkila> don't suppose anyone knows how to install Neverwinter Nights on Ubuntu?
[10:05] <jeroen_> concept10, then type the following:
[10:05] <jeroen_> sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:05] <WeirdAl> Got it!
[10:05] <jeroen_> got that?
[10:05] <hypa7ia> Nalioth: that's odd.  can you locate the .o files manually in your kernel tree?
[10:05] <WeirdAl> It was the frame buffer. had to disable it.
[10:05] <jeroen_> WeirdAl, what?
[10:05] <redduck666> concept10: jeroen_ isn't menu.lst a sym link to grub.conf or vice versa i can't remember?
[10:05] <jeroen_> redduck666, not sure
[10:06] <WeirdAl> The reason I couldn't start X using fglrx was because the kernel framebuffer wasn't having any of it.
[10:06] <xxenon> redduck666 - it is, on some distro
[10:06] <concept10> jeroen_: lemme take a look at it
[10:06] <jeroen_> concept10, it says "default bla bla" somewhere
[10:07] <Nalioth> hypa7ia, you have just blinded me with science
[10:07] <moogman> Does anyone know how the artwork for USplash will be decided?
[10:07] <jeroen_> lets say winxp is the 4th entry
[10:07] <jeroen_> then you do default 3
[10:07] <jeroen_> (yep, GRUB is a really weird program ;) it starts with 0)
[10:08] <hypa7ia> Nalioth: well, you need to confirm that the howto actually worked :-)
[10:08] <lexxan> ?? grub
[10:08] <[uhelp] > grub: Please see - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto -AND- Grub Boot floppy - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToMakeAGRUBBootFloppy. If you are simply trying to edit your bootup list, timeout or default OS to boot see /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:09] <Nalioth> hypa7ia, sorry i have no idea what part of the forest  the kernel tree is in
[10:09] <mahmoud_> help: How can I write to read-only folder? Or make it not read-only?
[10:09] <jeroen_> le
[10:09] <hypa7ia> Nalioth: let me boot up colinux, i am in that Other OS at the moment.  back in 3 minutes
[10:09] <stianh> hey all. Any suggestion for getting Sound Juicer to create mp3's?
[10:09] <hypa7ia> Nalioth: then i can help you more :-)
[10:09] <josh42> mahmoud_: chmod
[10:10] <ZxC> hmm, anyone know a utility for scandisking a partition. As I wanna increase my ubuntu partition size but partition magic says it's "corrupt" when scanned even though it works fine :/
[10:10] <jeroen_> ZxC, there's an excellent partition-magic for linux: Gparted
[10:10] <Burgundavia> ZxC, you can use gparted or qtparted in Ubuntu do it
[10:11] <jeroen_> Burgundavia, similar thoughts :P
[10:11] <Nalioth> hypa7ia, no don't
[10:11] <Nalioth> hypa7ia, i've got to go to work now
[10:11] <xvlun> i wouldnt call gparted excellent as it sometimes destroys data...
[10:11] <Burgundavia> jeroen_, great minds think alike, but fools seldom differ ;)
[10:11] <g14-afk> stianh: Sound juicer uses gstreamer
[10:11] <jeroen_> haha :)
[10:11] <ZxC> I don't think I even need gparted. All I need is a partition scan disking utility :/
[10:11] <g14-afk> stianh: you need gstreamer0.8-mad
[10:12] <stianh> thanks
[10:12] <Burgundavia> ZxC, I don;t know if partition magic knows what to do with Linux partitions
[10:12] <tremblay> Anyone here ever got cedega to work with anything under Ubuntu?
[10:12] <Burgundavia> tremblay, there have been succesful reports
[10:12] <jeroen_> Partition Magic has troubles with ext3
[10:12] <jeroen_> it did with version 8 anyway
[10:12] <stianh> hmm, I have gstreamer0.8.8-mad
[10:12] <ZxC> ah k
[10:12] <Burgundavia> tremblay, you may want to try the forums, under the gaming section
[10:12] <ZxC> so gparted the way to go to increase ubuntu space?
[10:12] <gunny> tremblay: I managed to get the cvs cedega installed, but I am unable to get Dark Age of Camelot to run
[10:12] <Burgundavia> ZxC, yes
[10:12] <ZxC> kk thanks :)
[10:13] <mahmoud_> josh42 : no it's not a permission's problem. I am the owner of the folder. But it's a mounted folder from a NTFS partition
[10:13] <jeroen_> ZxC, make back-ups to be sure
[10:13] <gunny> which might be a good thing
[10:13] <jeroen_> mahmoud_, NTFS is read-only by default
[10:13] <i3dmaster> Is there anyway to pull the CPU SN/ID info from Linux?
[10:13] <FunnyLookinHat> Anyone know of a winamp-similiar program for Gnome... I am using XMMS, but I was hoping to find one that had a media library
[10:13] <stianh> g14-afk, I allready have gstreamer0.8-mad, but still no go
[10:14] <tremblay> I can't get Civ3 to work. The only thing left to figure out before I wipe out WinXP forever and ever!
[10:14] <jeroen_> beep-media-player for gnome
[10:14] <gunny> FunnyLookinHat,  check out Beep
[10:14] <jeroen_> it's forked off off xmms
[10:14] <gunny> FunnyLookinHat,  or Muine
[10:14] <jeroen_> it doesn't have media library though :(
[10:14] <Burgundavia> FunnyLookinHat, muine isn't bad, but the user interface is very different
[10:14] <FunnyLookinHat> Awesome, thanks guys
[10:14] <jeroen_> tremblay, Civ3 isn't native, is it?
[10:15] <gunny> I kin of like muine's play album,play song thing
[10:15] <tremblay> jeroen: No, using cedega.
[10:15] <concept10> ubuntu disables root account by default?
[10:15] <jeroen_> tremblay: is it supported by cedega?
[10:15] <gunny> concept10,  yes
[10:15] <tremblay> (A game that is supposedly supported by cedega, hrmpf.)
[10:15] <Burgundavia> ?? sudo
[10:15] <[uhelp] > sudo[x] : No defenition found for word.
[10:15] <jeroen_> concept10, you must use sudo
[10:15] <Burgundavia> concept10, www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RootSudo
[10:15] <ZxC> FunnyLookinHat, there's a iTunes like media player but I forget the name
[10:15] <Nalioth> time for money-making
[10:15] <WeirdAl> Still can't get it to start up in GDM :-(
[10:16] <gunny> Amarok
[10:16] <Nalioth> see y'all later
[10:16] <Burgundavia> ZxC, rhythmbox or sonance?
[10:16] <jeroen_> tremblay, you *might* try Freeciv. It's a Free software alternative for Civ
[10:16] <concept10> I know about sudo, but I rather make changes with root account, i dont want to sudo every command
[10:16] <jeroen_> tremblay, I don't know if the quality is good enough
[10:16] <jeroen_> concept10, sudo -s
[10:16] <gunny> concept10,  you can also configure gdm to allow root logins
[10:17] <jeroen_> sudo -s works good enough :-/
[10:17] <tremblay> jeroen: Yeah, looked at FreeCiv2... not quite the same though!
[10:17] <gunny> concept10,  just do sudo passwd root 1st
[10:17] <ZxC> Burgundavia, I can't remember honestly, I just remembered reading about it. I'm running Ubuntu64 so media is a bit dodgy anyway.
[10:17] <jeroen_> tremblay, well, then I can't help you
[10:17] <Burgundavia> ZxC, rhythmbox is the default music player for gnome
[10:17] <jeroen_> tremblay, is Cedega set up correctly?
[10:17] <Burgundavia> ZxC, sonance is a mono app that is very similar in UI design
[10:17] <concept10> im new to ubuntu, im a fedora user, trying to get a friend to use linux by installing dual boot XP and ubuntu on his new amd64 box
[10:18] <jeroen_> good luck convincing him/her :)
[10:18] <hypa7ia> concept10: if you're introducing a newbie to linux, sudo is a lot easier to get your head around.
[10:18] <Quinn_Storm> breezy is clean again! (evolution glitches were fixed by a recent update)
[10:18] <hypa7ia> or so i found :-)
[10:19] <mahmoud_> jeroen_ how can I remove read-only files?
[10:19] <tremblay> jeroen: I hope so.  :P
[10:19] <jeroen_> concept10: Use a LiveCD to show off ;)
[10:19] <Quinn_Storm> mahmoud_: sudo rm -f file
[10:19] <becausjp> lo
[10:19] <becausjp> any1 online
[10:19] <concept10> I think ubuntu is a little bit friendlier for new users than fedora even though you could use synaptic in fedora also
[10:20] <becausjp> Anyone using fluxbox with ubuntu?
[10:20] <jeroen_> tremblay, does it work with other win programs?
[10:20] <aeolist> aye
[10:20] <ZxC> concept10, there's a few things Ubuntu64 has problems with. I reccomend you check the AMD 64 section of the forums so you don't waste his time trying to install things you can't. I'm running dual boot (linux n00b) on my AMD and loving it ;)
[10:20] <hypa7ia> concept10: as far as the dual boot setup goes, i find it's easiest to install windows first on a small partition, then install ubu
[10:20] <aeolist> becausjp, what's your problem?
[10:20] <SpritlE> have a quick question
[10:20] <becausjp> and is it faster then gnome, cause it slow gnome
[10:20] <mahmoud_> HELP: Can I DISABLE READ-ONLY for a folder
[10:20] <SpritlE> is dialup hard to set up on ubu?
[10:21] <Burgundavia> mahmoud_, not easily
[10:21] <jeroen_> mahmoud_, you can, but NTFS is a special case
[10:21] <aeolist> becausjp, it's a lot faster, yes
[10:21] <DanglyBits> does anyone have an idea on how to install Mambo (content management system) on ubuntu?
[10:21] <hypa7ia> SpritlE: should be dead easy if the modem is supported
[10:21] <hypa7ia> DanglyBits: should be a package for it
[10:21] <Burgundavia> mahmoud_, ntfs read support is very alpha and not recommended
[10:21] <concept10> hypa7ia: thats done already, I just need to install ubuntu repos and get some good apps on his box, k3b and a dvd backup program
[10:21] <tremblay> jeroen: Haven't tried that..
[10:21] <becausjp> anyone has latest version for fluxbox or the public ftp
[10:21] <DanglyBits> hypa7ia: any idea where ?
[10:21] <becausjp> then I can add it to sources.list
[10:21] <jeroen_> tremblay, just download some easy app, and try
[10:22] <becausjp> and maybe it work with sudo apt-get?
[10:22] <becausjp> *will
[10:22] <jeroen_> tremblay, then you can at least determine if Cedega is correctly installed
[10:22] <kingsley_> How often should desktop systems fetch mail?
[10:22] <SpritlE> hypa7ia: thanks, my one friend was telling me dialup was hard to set up.( im just switching over from xp pro.)
[10:22] <Kisain> congrats
[10:23] <Kisain> another convert ^_^
[10:23] <jeroen_> kingsley_, when the Receive mail is clicked in their user's favorit app ;)
[10:23] <hypa7ia> SpritlE: most modems aren't is the problem
[10:23] <SpritlE> lol
[10:23] <jeroen_> hi Kisain
[10:23] <SpritlE> i see
[10:23] <Kisain> hey what a good app to get online music streams?
[10:23] <jeroen_> did you solve your prob?
[10:23] <Kisain> hey whazzup?
[10:23] <hypa7ia> DanglyBits: universe?
[10:23] <jeroen_> I use beep-media-player
[10:23] <jdodson> kisain: rythmbox has some decent presets.
[10:23] <SpritlE> how much would a supported modem cost?
[10:23] <jeroen_> I'm using it now
[10:23] <Kisain> kinda sorta i'm looking in to it
[10:23] <aeolist> becausjp, you'll just follow ubuntuguide.org for extending the repositories
[10:23] <aeolist> and then apt-get install it
[10:24] <Kisain> can you get it through syn?
[10:24] <jeroen_> yes
[10:24] <Kisain> nice
[10:24] <tremblay> jeroen: Will try to find notepad, or whatever.
[10:24] <punkrockguy318> Alright, question:  I'd like to listen to my oggs on my PC through ssh.  How can I listen to my oggs through a client-side ssh?
[10:24] <jeroen_> tremblay: okay ;)
[10:24] <WeirdAl> WOOT!! 3D!!
[10:24] <hypno> SpritlE: any 'real' modem should work. The problem is with software modems (winmodems).
[10:24] <WeirdAl> thanks to everyone who helped.
[10:24] <jeroen_> Congrats WeirdAl :)
[10:24] <jdodson> punkrockguy318: copy them to the host?
[10:25] <becausjp> thx will have a look into the url
[10:25] <WeirdAl> I still don't have GDM when I start up, but I'm sure I can fix that.
[10:25] <SpritlE> ok, thanks
[10:25] <punkrockguy318> jdodson, yeah, but besides that... I'm pretty sure there's some way you can do it.. maybe through esd?
[10:25] <SpritlE> later
[10:25] <jeroen_> Kisain, you need to have universe enabled for beep-media-player though
[10:25] <jdodson> punkrockguy318: not sure.  console music playing is as easy as "ogg123"
[10:25] <Segosa> can you ask general linux questions here ;/
[10:25] <jeroen_> Why not?
[10:26] <jeroen_> Segosa, I think  I know you :P
[10:26] <jeroen_> are you m00.cx ?
[10:26] <Kisain> lol that explans why i can't find it lol
[10:26] <Segosa> yes
[10:26] <Segosa> O_o
[10:26] <jeroen_> Hello!
[10:26] <Segosa> who are you :o
[10:26] <jeroen_> Kisain, enable universe
[10:26] <Kisain> um how?
[10:26] <jeroen_> in synaptic: setting -> repositories
[10:27] <Kisain> ok there
[10:27] <Raskall> I have just done my "boot to xp in vmware to get reminded of how much windows stinks"-action.
[10:27] <jeroen_> Segosa, I know you from msgplus.mybboards.com
[10:27] <Segosa> PlusFan?
[10:27] <Segosa> or not..
[10:27] <jeroen_> yes
[10:27] <Segosa> aha.
[10:27] <Kisain> now what
[10:27] <jeroen_> m00
[10:27] <jeroen_> Kisain
[10:27] <Segosa> the internet is small :O
[10:27] <hypa7ia> small world, the internet is :-)
[10:27] <b0ol> hi, how to disalbe vsync @ ati ?
[10:27] <hypa7ia> Segosa: jinks!
[10:27] <jeroen_> Segosa, haha
[10:28] <Segosa> :
[10:28] <Segosa> :P
[10:28] <zero[] > how i can change gnome to using gnome-fvwm instead of metacity? ( installed the package from synaptic)
[10:28] <jeroen_> Kisain, click Add
[10:28] <Anubis> gdesklets causes python to steal memory after 14days uptime
[10:28] <tremblay> jeroen: Heh, notepad doesn't work. Guess I better do my homework again. :P
[10:28] <Kisain> ok got it
[10:28] <Anubis> eats the swapp right up
[10:29] <Segosa> wtf,
[10:29] <Segosa> I knew that guy.
[10:29] <Segosa> "Moo".
[10:29] <b0ol> hi, how to disalbe vsync @ ati ?
[10:29] <jeroen_> tremblay, Cedega is paid right? So you will get support... right?
[10:29] <jeroen_> Segosa, Anubis is also msgplus.mybboard.com, right?
[10:29] <ompaul> ?? restricted
[10:29] <Segosa> nah
[10:29] <[uhelp] > restricted: To find out more about java, dvd playing, codecs etc. see - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:29] <Segosa> not the same guy i don't think
[10:30] <jeroen_> Kisain, it works now?
[10:30] <hypa7ia> b0ol: edit the xorg.conf in all likelyhood
[10:30] <Segosa> anyway my question was, after installing ubuntu as server, where would I look if I wanted to install an X windows system. I know I can have it auto done if installing normally but I want to gain experience doing it manually
[10:30] <digitus> how do i enable ssh access on my machine
[10:30] <digitus> from outside
[10:30] <Segosa>  I tried apt-get install x11 and XOrg and I googled but there's not much
[10:30] <Segosa> digitus: sudo apt-get install ssh
[10:30] <hypa7ia> Segosa: it's xserver-xorg
[10:31] <digitus> k thx ill try
[10:31] <Segosa> ahh
[10:31] <hypa7ia> Segosa: or ubuntu-desktop :-)
[10:31] <Segosa> I see
[10:31] <hypa7ia> Segosa: which is basically gnome and xorg
[10:31] <Segosa> heh
[10:31] <jeroen_> not ubuntu-desktop
[10:31] <jeroen_> ubuntu-desktop includes gaim, evolution
[10:31] <jeroen_> and more like that
[10:31] <Segosa> basically turns a server install into the normal one? :P
[10:32] <jeroen_> yeah
[10:32] <hypa7ia> Segosa: correct
[10:32] <tremblay> Newbie question: What command (if any) can list the version number of a library or whatever, installed?
[10:32] <jeroen_> ubuntu-desktop is a dummy package
[10:32] <hypa7ia> tremblay: package -version
[10:32] <Segosa> or --version
[10:32] <jeroen_> with depedencies of Xorg, evolution, gaim, gnome, etc etc
[10:32] <Kisain> ok it still isen't showing up :/
[10:32] <Segosa> dunno if it's the same
[10:32] <hypa7ia> tremblay: so like evolution -v or --version i think
[10:32] <hypno> tremblay: or dpkg -s package-name
[10:32] <jeroen_> Kisain, what?
[10:32] <dcraven> digitus: It might be openssh-server that you want.
[10:33] <Kisain> for that radio player
[10:33] <Kisain> you said was nice
[10:33] <jeroen_> yeah..
[10:33] <jeroen_> I think it is.....
[10:33] <Kisain> i did what you said and searched for it and nothin
[10:33] <tremblay> Thanks.
[10:33] <jeroen_> you have universe enabled now?
[10:33] <Kisain> yes
[10:33] <jeroen_> search for "beep"
[10:33] <Kisain> and i refreshed
[10:33] <hypa7ia> dcraven, digitus it's definitely openssh-server
[10:33] <Kisain> oh
[10:33] <Segosa> dcraven: I apt-get'd ssh and it included the server
[10:33] <jeroen_> it should list beep-media-player
[10:34] <Kisain> ok i got beep and stuf in the search :)
[10:34] <dcraven> Segosa: oh cool. Must be a metapackage I guess.
[10:34] <jeroen_> Segosa, why would you want to switch server into desktop? <_<
[10:35] <jbm__> hey i just reinstalled ubuntu this morning, everything went great... do we have a free "ghost" like tool so i can save an image now for next time i need it?
[10:35] <Segosa> jeroen_: experience..
[10:35] <Segosa> it may be easy, but I wanna know how
[10:35] <Segosa> ;p
[10:35] <davmor2> can anyone help please I am running ubuntu 5.04 hoary amd64bit I like doom3 but I can't get the sound to work.  I have looked at the guide but I think the sound patch theat works for the 32bit doesn't for the 64. how can I configure so I can play the game please
[10:35] <SeeleyUSMC> Does anyone here use the mac mini?
[10:35] <jeroen_> Segosa, for that, Gentoo > *
[10:35] <Segosa> I know jeroen_
[10:35] <jeroen_> Segosa, Ubuntu is too easy ;)
[10:35] <Segosa> already done that
[10:35] <Segosa> I've installed gentoo several times
[10:35] <Segosa> =P
[10:36] <jeroen_> you mean stage1?
[10:36] <Segosa> nah stage3, not ready for stage1 yet >.<
[10:36] <jeroen_> haha
[10:36] <jeroen_> (I did stage3 aswell)
[10:36] <jeroen_> and I didn't compile X (that takes a day, you know)
[10:37] <Segosa> heh
[10:37] <joh> Hello, suddenly after replacing xfree86 with xorg, my monitor goes to sleep when I start X! The xorg and (old) xfree86 monitor settings are also both the same! What could be wrong?
[10:38] <tanek> joh: do u have the correct refreshrate?
[10:39] <joh> tanek: I sure think so, yes...
[10:39] <tanek> ok...
[10:39] <nickrud> joh, does /var/log/Xorg.0.log give you any hints?
[10:39] <jeroen_> joh: Is your xorg.conf sora the same?
[10:39] <Quinn_Storm> try commenting out the option "dpms"
[10:39] <jeroen_> *sorta
[10:40] <joh> tanek: I've got currently set VertRefresh to 48-128 and HorizSync to 30-85... this is a CRT
[10:40] <joh> jeroen_: yes...
[10:40] <jeroen_> joh: do you have a monitor manual?
[10:40] <tanek> ok, seems fine
[10:40] <joh> jeroen_: no
[10:40] <joh> Quinn_Storm: ok. let me try that.
[10:40] <jeroen_> joh: too bad; they list those thing (should)
[10:41] <joh> DPMS didn't do it.
[10:41] <topyli> those manuals are easy to find mostly, on the manufacturer's website
[10:41] <joh> jeroen_: yeah, but this is an old monitor.
[10:41] <joh> topyli: k...
[10:41] <jeroen_> try to find the manual as topyli suggested
[10:41] <jeroen_> do you know the model?
[10:41] <joh> jeroen_: ok
[10:42] <jeroen_> too bad some developers take these manuals offline after a few years :@
[10:42] <jeroen_> *manufacturers
[10:43] <nickrud> joh, look at the end of /var/log/Xorg.0.log, if you're lucky it'll tell you what's happening
[10:43] <jeroen_> any Gnome expert here? (I think specifically gnome-panel)
[10:43] <Burgundavia> jeroen_, what is the issue?
[10:43] <jeroen_> see here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=30822
[10:43] <topyli> jeroen_: some manufacturers seem to be low on web space. some have plenty. I found a manual for my ancient hp laserjet the other day
[10:43] <zero[] > i installed fvwm-gnome from synaptic.. how do i use it instead of metacity now?
[10:43] <MASoft> Isn't Ubuntu suitable for persons who havn't highspeed internet ?
[10:43] <Sticky> Ubuntu is a good learning experience, because all the bullshit it gives ya
[10:44] <arbeck> does anyone here use grip?
[10:44] <Burgundavia> jeroen_, that would probably be a bug
[10:44] <punkrockguy318> arbeck, on occasion
[10:44] <jeroen_> zero[] , do you use gdm to log in?
[10:44] <nickrud> MASoft, from experience I can say yes :)
[10:44] <zero[] > MASoft: it'll be a bitch to install software with all of it's dependancies
[10:44] <jeroen_> Burgundavia, that's what I thought...
[10:44] <joh> ok, here's a message: (WW) NVIDIA: Failure reading EDID parameters for display device DFP-0 ...
[10:44] <ompaul> MASoft, that would depend on what the end user wants
[10:45] <Burgundavia> jeroen_, i would file it and see what the gnome devs say
[10:45] <zero[] > jeroen_: i believe so
[10:45] <MASoft> ompaul, a Desktop user
[10:45] <jeroen_> Burgundavia, at gnome.org?
[10:45] <arbeck> punkrockguy318: I'm having problems configuring it to get th cd info from feedb.  One particular CD it just won't get the info for.  Sound juicer and all my other aps find it just fine
[10:45] <Burgundavia> Sticky, can you explain why you just said that?
[10:45] <Burgundavia> jeroen_, bugzilla.gnome.org
[10:45] <ompaul> MASoft, as a desktop it offers enough functionality for joe user
[10:45] <jeroen_> Burgundavia, okay, I'll file it
[10:46] <DanglyBits> hypa7ia: sorry im not near my computer is mambo avialable for hoary or breezy?
[10:46] <MASoft> are Debian packages compatible with Ubuntu packages ?
[10:46] <zero[] > jeroen_: yeah i do
[10:46] <Bazzi-> MASoft to a certain extent yes.
[10:46] <Burgundavia> MASoft, most of Ubuntu is debian packages, so yes
[10:46] <Burgundavia> MASoft, you need debian packages for Debian sid (unstable)
[10:46] <Segosa> I apt got xserver-xorg and it asked for the res .. then that's it. is it done? can I now install something like gnome/xfce/fluxbox? o_O
[10:47] <Burgundavia> MASoft, but mostly the stuff should already be in the repos
[10:47] <jeroen_> zero[] , can't you just use session -> whateveryouwant
[10:47] <ompaul> MASoft, use sid if what you want is not in available, but it is extensive
[10:47] <hypa7ia> DanglyBits: don't know, but it should be.  i'm on windows at the moment so i can't look :-/
[10:47] <hypa7ia> Segosa: yes
[10:47] <arbeck> punkrockguy318: any ideas?
[10:47] <Segosa> hypa7ia: wow that was easy. ;P
[10:47] <Kisain> how do you kill a prog that isen't responding?
[10:48] <punkrockguy318> arbeck, use soundjuicer? heh
[10:48] <DanglyBits> hypa7ia: thanks
[10:48] <zero[] > jeroen_: how come there are no sessions? i just do Add > fvwm-gnome ?
[10:48] <ompaul> Kisain, what program is it?
[10:48] <jeroen_> Kisain: Applications -> system tools -> system monitor
[10:48] <arbeck> punkrockguy318: i would, but i can't configure it to use my naming convention
[10:48] <Kisain> amn lol frose when i used beep :/
[10:48] <punkrockguy318> arbeck, you can't?
[10:48] <Kisain> amsn
[10:48] <jeroen_> zero[] , at login, can't you just select fvwm-gnome? (When you click sessions)
[10:49] <arbeck> punkrockguy318: no... my convention is /Artist/Album/Artist - Album - track number - Song Title.flac
[10:49] <Segosa> is it normal that startx gets me "command not found", hypa7ia?
[10:49] <arbeck> punkrockguy318: that isn't a choice in sound juicer
[10:49] <ompaul> 'killall amsn' is one way, the way jeroen_  said is another where you locate the article and kill it  and xkill and click on the ap is yet another
[10:49] <hypa7ia> Segosa: yes
[10:49] <Segosa> okay
[10:49] <hypa7ia> Segosa: need to sudo it :-)
[10:49] <zero[] > jereon_: uhh.. let me log out and check it out ;)
[10:49] <Segosa> ah
[10:49] <Segosa> I did, hypa7ia ;p
[10:49] <jeroen_> please note that amsn uses wish
[10:50] <jeroen_> you will want to kill wish
[10:50] <Kisain> ok
[10:50] <jeroen_> zero[] , okay :)
[10:50] <Kisain> um it's not in the sysatem monitor :/
[10:50] <Kisain> weard
[10:50] <jeroen_> it's under sh
[10:50] <jeroen_> expand sh and you'll see wish
[10:51] <Kisain> um wish is there but not amsn
[10:51] <Kisain> weard
[10:51] <jeroen_> kill wish
[10:51] <hypa7ia> Segosa: and iirc it will start up automagically when you reboot
[10:51] <Segosa> ah, hypa7ia
[10:51] <jeroen_> amsn runs on wish
[10:51] <Kisain> so it would be unser it?
[10:51] <Kisain> under*
[10:51] <jeroen_> amsn is just a bunch of text files, the wish program can do something with these
[10:51] <jeroen_> if amsn crashes, kill wish
[10:51] <Kisain> oh i see
[10:52] <arbeck> punkrockguy318: there aren't very many options in sound juicer
[10:52] <Kisain> i thought you said not to?
[10:52] <jeroen_> I didn't...
[10:52] <jeroen_> maybe I wasn't clear
[10:52] <Kisain> oh
[10:52] <punkrockguy318> arbeck, true.. it needs some maturing
[10:52] <Kisain> ok
[10:52] <Kisain> lol
[10:52] <MASoft> I REALLY LOVE FEDORA !!!
[10:52] <ompaul> MASoft, well I do not :-)
[10:52] <jeroen_> Segosa, How do you like Xorg's default look? ;)
[10:53] <Burgundavia> punkrockguy318, more options are generally bad
[10:53] <Segosa> I am not seeing much jeroen_... ;/
[10:53] <Burgundavia> MASoft, this is #ubuntu. You might be looking for #fedora
[10:53] <MASoft> Its bugs make the Debian highlight :D
[10:53] <Kisain> LOL XD
[10:53] <arbeck> Burgundavia: well, sound juicer should give me the option to name my rips whatever i want, shouldn't it?
[10:53] <Segosa> jeroen_: gimme your msn msgr addr
[10:53] <Segosa> (if you want)
[10:53] <Burgundavia> arbeck, you can
[10:54] <Burgundavia> arbeck, edit--> prefs
[10:54] <arbeck> Burgundavia: nope... i only have 5 choices
[10:54] <shoreflyer> hiya all
[10:54] <Burgundavia> arbeck, then file a bug asking for your choice
[10:55] <Burgundavia> arbeck, the drop down menu is good. Easytags renaming if awful
[10:55] <shoreflyer> anyone have any ideas as how to get the fglrx drivers to work properly?
[10:55] <arbeck> Burgundavia: true... but I'd like it to be a tad more configureable... somewhere in between grip and where it is...
[10:55] <jeroen_> Segosa, sure
[10:55] <Segosa> mk
[10:55] <Burgundavia> arbeck, then file a bug or ask on the mailing list
[10:56] <arbeck> Burgundavia: the problem is right now I can't seem to make grip get info on a cd
[10:56] <ryman> can someone please help me with floppy drive ?
[10:56] <ompaul> ryman, what do you want to do with a floppy drive?
[10:56] <ryman> it says "unable to mount"
[10:56] <jeroen_> Segosa<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:56] <freedrive> Hey, have you guys heard of: http://www.freecardatabase.info/dir187/jarvis.html ?
[10:56] <jeroen_> freedrive, no
[10:56] <ryman> it says "couldn't determine filesystem file"
[10:57] <freedrive> Hey, have you guys heard of: http://www.freecardatabase.info/dir187/jarvis.html ?
[10:57] <ompaul> ryman, asking you again, what do you want to do with a floppy drive? that was an error message
[10:57] <jeroen_> freedrive, yes we have; you told us 2 seconds ago
[10:57] <ringmauer> where to put xmms skins+
[10:57] <ryman> ompaul+  I want to transfer some files to floppy disk
[10:57] <ringmauer> where to put xmms skins?
[10:57] <jeroen_> don't click what freedrive says
[10:57] <ryman> so I can bring them to school
[10:57] <jeroen_> it's ads
[10:57] <ompaul> ryman, okay so what kind of machine do you want to read this floppy on?
[10:57] <drac> ringmauer: ~/.xmms/Skins/
[10:58] <confrey> hi everybody
[10:58] <ryman> pent4 ?
[10:58] <ringmauer> drac, yes i know, but where is ~i cant find it
[10:58] <confrey> is there a way to run phpgroupware in ubuntu?
[10:58] <drac> ringmauer: ~ is your home directory.
[10:58] <ringmauer> but xmms isnt there
[10:58] <jeroen_> busy
[10:58] <drac> .xmms
[10:59] <ompaul> ryman, emm no, what operating system?
[10:59] <ryman> win98
[10:59] <shoreflyer> confrey: yes, you have to install apache/php/mysql
[10:59] <noah> are there particular things that are likely to break if i upgrade to breezy?
[10:59] <ompaul> ryman, first command to run is mdir in ubuntu
[10:59] <Burgundavia> noah, yes
[10:59] <Burgundavia> noah, I think evo is still broken and hal may be as well
[10:59] <confrey> shoreflyer, oh, I have already installed all them
[11:00] <dcraven> ryman: Is it a Windows formatted disk? If it is, try typing "sudo mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /media/floppy". That might work assuming that the /media/floppy mount point exists.
[11:00] <noah> Burgundavia: i see, thanks
[11:00] <ringmauer> anyone else? where to put xmms skins?
[11:00] <ompaul> ryman, do you see any data on the floppy?
[11:00] <shoreflyer> then follow the instructions for installing groupware on the server
[11:00] <confrey> shoreflyer, but at localhost/phpgroupware/setup isn't anything
[11:00] <ryman> ompaul+  I typed some words document on my laptop ( winxp) . My laptop doesn't have floppy drive. I copied those files into jump drive. Now I want to transfer those file from jump drive to floppy disk so I can use it at my school ( win 98)
[11:00] <topyli> ringmauer: ~/.xmms/skins i guess
[11:00] <shoreflyer> be sure you have the apache running
[11:00] <punkrockguy318> How can I run X programs through ssh on a windows machine?
[11:01] <ringmauer> topyli, yea but where is ~ it is not my home folder
[11:01] <digitus> perhaps with cygwin
[11:01] <ompaul> ryman, I do not know 'jump drive'
[11:01] <shoreflyer> and make sure the apache is configured to parse .php .inc files with php
[11:01] <MASoft> punkrockguy318, I think VNC server !
[11:01] <hypno> punkrockguy318: install a windows X server.. or just use vnc
[11:01] <topyli> punkrockguy318: you need an X server for that. use vnc like MASoft says
[11:01] <ryman> dcraven+  thanks it worked
[11:01] <topyli> ringmauer: no .xmms directory in your home dir?
[11:01] <dcraven> ryman: Cool.
[11:01] <ryman> ompaul+  thanks,  its flash drive
[11:02] <ringmauer> topyli, no there isnt
[11:02] <confrey> yes, is working, and in http://localhost I can see apache2-default and phpmyadmin
[11:02] <punkrockguy318> hypno, what's a windows X server?
[11:02] <Burgundavia> punkrockguy318, you need putty
[11:02] <confrey> shoreflyer, yes, is working, and in http://localhost I can see apache2-default and phpmyadmin
[11:02] <punkrockguy318> Burgundavia, mhmm
[11:02] <Burgundavia> punkrockguy318, and then you can get tightvnc for windows and tunnel the vnc through the ssh
[11:02] <ompaul> ryman, does the flash drive appear on your desktop?
[11:02] <topyli> ringmauer: i thought xmms would create one first time you run it
[11:02] <hypno> punkrockguy318: X apps are clients that connect to X servers
[11:02] <joh> jeroen_: still there?
[11:02] <joh> jeroen_: I can't get this working! :(
[11:02] <ryman> ompaul+  yes
[11:02] <topyli> ringmauer: note that it's .xmms so it'd hidden
[11:02] <shoreflyer> phpmyadmin is good
[11:02] <WeirdAl> remind me again which package has startx?
[11:02] <shoreflyer> then php is definetly configured
[11:03] <ryman> ompaul+  I used the command that dcraven gave me and the floppy drive is working now
[11:03] <ringmauer> yea i know topyli but it isnt there, ill try mkdir
[11:03] <ryman> ompaul+  thanks
[11:03] <ryman> dcraven+  thanks
[11:03] <MASoft> How can I crack Shadow passwords ?
[11:03] <ompaul> ryman, enjoy
[11:03] <dcraven> ryman: "sudo umount /media/floppy" will unmount it btw. Just so you know, there is a GNOME applet that can make the whole process nice and easy too.
[11:03] <shoreflyer> all i can tell you is to follow the instructions to install
[11:03] <topyli> ringmauer: yeah, and under .xmms you should make skins or Skins or themes or Themes or something :)
[11:03] <shoreflyer> see if the directory index also has index.php
[11:03] <shoreflyer> in the apache conf
[11:04] <dcraven> MASoft: You could try john.
[11:04] <Nafallo> MASoft, probably with john :-)
[11:04] <WeirdAl> anyone? Startx package?
[11:04] <ompaul> ryman `mcopy paht_to_mail/file_one a:` will work, if you know the path to the file
[11:04] <ringmauer> what to write to rename a folder?
[11:04] <shoreflyer> anyone here know the fglrx drivers and how to make them work with a ati mobility 9600?
[11:04] <ompaul> ryman `mcopy path_to_mail/file_one a:` will work, if you know the path to the file (sorry about typo)
[11:05] <confrey> shoreflyer, I can't do it alone, can you guide me?
[11:05] <nickrud> WeirdAl, try `which startx`, that will tell you if you have it
[11:06] <WeirdAl> i do have it.
[11:06] <topyli> ringmauer: mv
[11:06] <shoreflyer> i haven't installed this in over a year
[11:06] <WeirdAl> I want to know where I got it so I can tell someone else how to get it.
[11:06] <shoreflyer> so i guess they have changed a lot
[11:06] <ryman> ompaul+  I'm new to linux =( thanks for helping me
[11:06] <shoreflyer> but it should be really straight forward
[11:06] <ringmauer> ok tnx topyli , i had to create the dir but now it works
[11:07] <punkrockguy318> what's a better solution? cygwinx server or vnc?
[11:07] <shoreflyer> anyhow i have to get going
[11:07] <shoreflyer> cheers, hope you manage
[11:07] <nickrud> WeirdAl, you can search for packages that files come from at packages.ubuntu.com
[11:07] <confrey> shoreflyer, apache.conf is very obscure for me... I tried to add to it a .conf found in phpgroupware docs, but it doesn't work
[11:07] <WeirdAl> thanks nickrud
[11:07] <WeirdAl> got it
[11:08] <ryman> hmm I have another problem that I can't copy the files to floppy disk
[11:08] <hunger> What are the plans wrt. gcc 4 in breezy?
[11:08] <hunger> gcc is already in version 4, g++ is not.
[11:08] <hybrid_goth> hello all
[11:08] <dcraven> WeirdAl: I think it's in xbase-clients.
[11:08] <ryman> it says that I dont have permission to write
[11:08] <Burgundavia> hunger, most apps are going to be compiled with gcc 4
[11:09] <WeirdAl> dcraven, yep
[11:09] <WeirdAl> foundit
[11:09] <WeirdAl> :-)
[11:09] <hunger> Burgundavia: When will the compiler get into breezy?
[11:09] <Burgundavia> hunger, think it is already there
[11:10] <hunger> Burgundavia: I am still missing the g++ compiler...
[11:10] <hunger> Burgundavia: And that is the one that seems to be the most interessting one from what I read.
[11:12] <dcraven> hunger: install build-essential, it comes with that.
[11:12] <p0m> Wouldn't you install the headers metapackage too?
[11:12] <Nafallo> hunger, http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/ToolchainRoadmap?highlight=%28BreezyGoal%29
[11:13] <hunger> dcraven: I do have g++ installed, but it still is version 3.4.x, not 4.0pre as the rest of gcc.
[11:13] <dcraven> hunger: Ahh. I see.
[11:14] <Alien_II> hey a friend has installed openssh-server
[11:14] <Alien_II> but when i try to connect to him
[11:14] <Alien_II> it says Unable to authenticate using any of the configured authentication methods
[11:15] <dcraven> Alien_II: you have an account on your friend's machine?
[11:15] <dockane> why is my system up-to-date with ff 1.0.2 ?
[11:15] <Alien_II> dcraven: yes
[11:16] <Alien_II> dcraven: it says that on my ssh client even before sending authentication data
[11:16] <Burgundavia> dockane, the security fixes were backported to 1.0.2
[11:17] <Alien_II> dcraven: do u know the command offhand to restart the sshd service in (k)ubuntu ??
[11:17] <setuid_w00t> I suggested that a friend of mine try ubuntu.  I have always used Debian, but I figured Ubuntu would be an easier way for him to get started.  My question is: Does ubuntu have its own ftp/http repository or do people typically use debian repositories?
[11:17] <topyli> Alien_II: /etc/init.d/ssh restart
[11:17] <Burgundavia> setuid_w00t, ubuntu has its own repos, mostly built out of debian sources
[11:17] <hypno> setuid_w00t: it has its own repository. Wouldnt be any different from debian otherwise..
[11:18] <dcraven> Alien_II: like topyli says.
[11:18] <dockane> Burgundavia, i've heared of perfomance issues with tabbed browsing in ff and indeed, i experience slow refresh here while tab switching. (hoary, p3 800, 512 mb rambus)
[11:18] <dcraven> dockane: 1.0.3 is available in the backports project if you really want it.
[11:18] <eric> hell0...
[11:18] <dcraven> dockane: not that it's supported or anything.. heh
[11:19] <dockane> dcraven, do you know if this perfomance issue is solved ?
[11:19] <dcraven> dockane: I have no idea. I just installed it today and haven't used it much yet. It's been quite bad lately though (1.0.2).
[11:19] <dcraven> Food time..
[11:20] <outlier> Can you tap into debian repositories?  I'd like to grab some packages I'm not seeing in ubuntu (kids' stuff: junior-* in particular)
[11:20] <Burgundavia> outlier, things that install on debian sid should install on hoary
[11:20] <Nafallo> outlier, they are in universe
[11:21] <Jon^D> hi, I want to look at a hard disk's contents but hexdump is too slow (i.e., hd /dev/hda|less seems to never end). Can anyone suggest a quicker way to have a browse?
[11:21] <outlier> Ah.  I probably just don't know how to look for them then.  I'm still trying to get the networking working (wireless), so all I've got is the original repository that came on the install disk.
[11:22] <Nafallo> outlier, ahh, you'll need to add universe for them. you will probably never have to touch debian :-).
[11:23] <outlier> Nafallo: Good, I like debian, but life's complicated enough as is.  If I can get my hands on a supported wireless card, I should be in business then.
[11:24] <Nafallo> outlier, I got unsupported ralink rt2500. just had to borrow my girlfriend tp while installing and then compiled the wireless drivers from cvs :-).
[11:25] <davmor2> does anyone know how I can reconfigure alsa to be the default sound provider for ubuntu rather than esd (newbie)
[11:25] <shido6> grr
[11:26] <shido6> my USB sound works for system bells and gaim but xine and vlc and totem dont play sound
[11:26] <jeroen_> joh: you still there?
[11:26] <Quinn_Storm> shido6: thats b/c they aren't outputting to esd
[11:26] <AndyR> can anyone help with a ov511 webcan?
[11:27] <AndyR> sm/n
[11:27] <shido6> Quinn_Storm, esd?
[11:27] <outlier> Nafallo: sounds like the same one I have - linksys wmp54g v4.
[11:27] <Quinn_Storm> shido6: yeah, its a "sound daemon" that runs as default as part of gnome
[11:27] <Jon^D> is there a hex editor on the ubuntu/hoary livecd?
[11:27] <Thorrn4> Hello...I have a quick questions; if I install KDE from the apt-get, which version is it?
[11:27] <joh> jeroen_: yeah, I fixed it. for *some* reason, x.org was reading ~/xorg.conf instead of /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:28] <davmor2> Quinn_storm is there anyway to change the default to alsa?
[11:28] <joh> jeroen_: ~/xorg.conf was an old configuration for a completely other system :P
[11:28] <joh> jeroen_: thanks for your help anyways.
[11:29] <_chavo> joh, xorg looks in the current directory for the config file first.
[11:29] <outlier> Nafallo: Rather than mess with it, I'm going to return the card (which I'm allowed to do for a few days yet) and tell them it wasn't compatible with my OS.  They have several others in stock, so I should be able to swap it for a supported one.
[11:29] <_chavo> joh, why? I have no idea.
[11:30] <K_Dallas> Hi guys! Just out of curiousity I have installed ION3, and running it from the safe-terminal mode. Would it cause problem or miss anything? Thanks
[11:30] <joh> _chavo: ok :P
[11:30] <Nafallo> outlier, oki. I stick to mine. the drivers are GPL'd and a rewrite of the driver is in beta-stage :-).
[11:30] <Nafallo> outlier, should support a/b/g :-)
[11:31] <davmor2> anyone can you change esd to alsa as default please?
[11:32] <nickrud> davmor2, you can change gnome to use alsa by system->preferences->Multimedia-systems-selector
[11:33] <Thorrn4> can someone please answer the question that I posted before?
[11:33] <davmor2> nickrud when I do that I lose sound on most apps
[11:34] <_chavo> Thorrn4, 3.4
[11:34] <nickrud> davmor2, then you'll need to switch the apps themselves from esd to alsa in their preferneces
[11:34] <Thorrn4> thanx _chavo
[11:34] <davmor2> thanx
[11:35] <waseem> hey does nayone here know any good .ogg to .mp3 file converters?
[11:35] <karljp> I'm having a reallly hard time trying to get the default gnome-panel back, anyone have any suggestions?
[11:35] <karljp> I've logged out of x, removed my .metacity, .gnome, .gnome2, .gnome_private, and restarted
[11:36] <Fish-Face> There are suspiciously few packages that are marked upgradeable...
[11:37] <nickrud> karljp, you missed .gconf
[11:37] <dcraven> karljp: Tried .gconf?
[11:37] <karljp> sorry, and .gconf and .gconfd
[11:37] <Fish-Face> Is this just because there are none released, or because I need another repo?
[11:37] <dcraven> karljp: hehe.. You could have remade the panel 50 times by now :)
[11:37] <nickrud> karljp, but that will kill all your other configurations
[11:37] <karljp> I don't have any configuration customizeations to lose nick
[11:37] <karljp> I just want the default panel back.
[11:37] <nickrud> karljp, yeah, I just noticed :)
[11:38] <karljp> dcraven: if I was having any luck rebuilding it by hand, I would have done so,
[11:38] <karljp> but it's not as easy as it sounds :)
[11:38] <outlier> Nafallo: I have to admit I like the idea of GPL drivers, and if I had some other networking on that box I'd take the time, but as is I'll be satisfied to give another 'returned because no linux drivers' data point to the vendor.
[11:38] <nickrud> karljp, you have done this from a console, without gnome running, right?
[11:38] <karljp> yeah
[11:38] <karljp> exited x, removed all those dirs
[11:39] <karljp> then startx
[11:39] <dcraven> karljp: I've made myself a fresh home directory before when I've given up. That'll do it for sure.
[11:39] <selinium> hi dcraven!
[11:39] <selinium> Hi all, anyone using rsync here?
[11:39] <karljp> heh, you'd think I'd pretty much junked everything by my personal files already by now :)
[11:39] <nickrud> karljp, be sure that gconfd is not running when you delete .gconf, it you haven't already :)
[11:39] <dcraven> Hey selinium!
[11:39] <Nafallo> outlier, well. the vendor broke against GPL. I notified the holder of the broken copyright, and the driver is GPL'd. I would say they don't need more pointers for a while ;-).
[11:40] <karljp> hmm, is it likely to have been running when I was out of X?
[11:40] <hybrid_goth> how come xfce is no longer in apt?
[11:40] <jeroen_> joh: no problem
[11:40] <jeroen_> bye everyone!! *waves*
[11:40] <mcquillg> why isn't there a package for jedit?
[11:40] <mcquillg> (in universe)?
[11:40] <nickrud> karljp, yeah, but I've occasionally had stray ones running, don't ask me why
[11:40] <dcraven> karljp: I've renamed my home dir dcraven.old and made a new one before. Then I could still get at any files I needed from my old home dir.
[11:40] <beerockxs_> can anyone help me get my gameport joystick working?
[11:41] <dcraven> selinium: I do backups via rsync since yesterday :)
[11:41] <outlier> Nafallo: I see.  Thanks for the info.
[11:41] <selinium> dcraven: so if I have any probs you might be able to help then... :
[11:41] <darkaudit> hybrid_goth: just did apt-get update and XFCE is still there
[11:41] <Kisain> how do you take a screenshot?
[11:41] <selinium> dcraven:)
[11:42] <hybrid_goth> darkaudit: hmm i dont have it h/o let me look
[11:42] <dcraven> selinium: I'm no expert, but it doesn't seem hard to use. The manpage is good for a quick reference too.
[11:43] <Nafallo> outlier, no problem. if you know how to compile the driver I would keep the card and compile the driver from sf.net/projects/rt2400, but that's your call :-).
[11:43] <dcraven> selinium: My backup scheme isn't well tested yet either :)
[11:43] <Nafallo> dcraven, backuppc? :-)
[11:43] <hybrid_goth> darkaudit: it is not in synaptic but i cant look in apt untill synaptic is done
[11:43] <Kisain> how do i take a screenshot of my desktop?
[11:43] <dcraven> Kisain: The printscreen key in GNOME.
[11:43] <Kisain> ok i wasen't shure
[11:43] <Kisain> thanx man
[11:43] <dcraven> Kisain: Alt+printscreen for just active window.
[11:43] <Nafallo> Kisain, System -> Screenshot :-)
[11:44] <darkaudit> hybrid_goth: do you have the universe repository enabled?
[11:44] <Kisain> you guys know a hellova lot more than me
[11:44] <Kisain> ^_^
[11:44] <cusco> hi please
[11:44] <hybrid_goth> darkaudit: :D yes
[11:44] <dcraven> Nafallo: Yeah. To backup the important crap on my pc,
[11:44] <cusco> help
[11:44] <karljp> fixedz0r!
[11:44] <darkaudit> ok... just checking :)
[11:44] <karljp> gconfd was still running :)
[11:44] <cusco> I have here a computer with windows installed
[11:44] <cusco> and I instaled hoary on it
[11:44] <Nafallo> dcraven, I plan to implement that myself. just need bigger disks for my server ;-).
[11:44] <selinium> dcraven: cool i will have a look at the man:) I used to run the backup cycles for A well know credit card house, so hopefully it will just need me to learn rsync
[11:44] <Nafallo> dcraven, again...
[11:45] <cusco> and please help me... because after instaling the base config
[11:45] <cusco> grub gives an error
[11:45] <cusco> error 17
[11:45] <outlier> Nafallo: I guess I'll give it a go before I swap out the card. From what I'd read, I would need to use a windows driver with some sort of wrapper that didn't work with every kernel, etc.  I gather its better than that now.
[11:45] <hybrid_goth> darkaudit: join me in flood and i will show you my sources.list
[11:45] <cusco> and I can't start my computer
[11:45] <cusco> only from the cd
[11:46] <darkaudit> there
[11:46] <Nafallo> outlier, if it is an rt2500-chipset it sure is :-)
[11:46] <shido6> thanks for the esd
[11:46] <shido6> xine works
[11:46] <shido6> vlc doesnt yet tho...
[11:46] <dcraven> Nafallo, selinium, I used a variation of this scheme, only implemented in Python with an excludes system etc etc... --> http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/
[11:46] <outlier> Nafallo: That's what lspci claims, so I guess it is.
[11:46] <nickrud> shido6, for vlc you need to get vlc-esd
[11:46] <cusco> please help me partitioning my system
[11:46] <XandriX> aww thx selinium
[11:46] <Nafallo> outlier, kewl :-)
[11:47] <outlier> Nafallo: catch you later, and thanks.
[11:47] <Nafallo> outlier, oki. see ya :-).
[11:48] <selinium> dcraven: Cheers for that, I will take a look. I have been looking at a couple of tuts but as I am new to linux they can seem a little confusing!
[11:48] <Nafallo> hmm
[11:48] <topyli> what is special about the gnome-menus package in the backport repository?
[11:48] <dcraven> selinium: I'll do my best to help if I'm here.. It's a perfect little project for you if you want to learn some Python :)
[11:48] <Nafallo> I should take a look at the auctionsite for tapebackup ;-)
[11:49] <hybrid_goth> darkaudit: lol
[11:50] <selinium> dcraven: cheers for the pointers, I'll take you up on that if I have to. :)
[11:50] <Nafallo> dcraven, kewl. it's bookmarked :-).
[11:51] <dcraven> selinium, Nafallo, 3 days worth of backups for the price (in data size) of one :)
[11:51] <hypno> selinium: rdiff-backup is a good backup program
[11:52] <Nafallo> dcraven, yea. I've read about the methods before :-). I'm just to lazy to implement it ;-).
[11:52] <selinium> hypno: will that allow for backing up remote files?
[11:52] <dataw0lf|w> what's wrong with rsync?
[11:53] <hypno> selinium: you can back up to a remote place, yeah
[11:53] <dcraven> selinium: It looks like it will backup to a remote host.
[11:53] <dcraven> dataw0lf|w: Nothing. Works well.
[11:53] <selinium> dataw0lf|w: that is what I am going to use, but i like to know the other options
[11:53] <thegreedyturtle> ?? question
[11:53] <[uhelp] > question[x] : No defenition found for word.
[11:54] <thegreedyturtle> ?? java
[11:54] <[uhelp] > java: Please see - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java -OR- http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats. You may also use apt-get to install 'java-package' which will take a linux binary copy of JRE from http://java.sun.com and create a debian package (make-jpkg).
[11:54] <thegreedyturtle> ?? tableofcontents
[11:54] <[uhelp] > tableofcontents[x] : No defenition found for word.
[11:54] <dataw0lf|w> selinium:  well, learn rsync, then find out what exactly you don't like about it, then compare it to the alternatives.
[11:54] <hybrid_goth> java: i believe there is a gcc front end of java
[11:54] <dazzed> whast everyone up to today
[11:54] <hybrid_goth> hey daazzed
[11:54] <cusco> hi... Im installing ubuntu right now on another computer... it has XP so I would lik it to be dual boot... now please Im no the partitioning fase
[11:54] <hypno> selinium: rdiff-backup has the nice feature where you can restore your files as they were at any time within the last couple of weeks
[11:55] <cusco> is there a tuturial to guide me truh it?
[11:55] <cusco> what partitions should I create?
[11:55] <cusco> a swap partition
[11:55] <cusco> and a ext3 root bartition
[11:55] <cusco> with the bootable flag
[11:56] <selinium> dataw0lf|w: I will get rsync working then. Then have a look at rdiff, Cheers for all your pointers everybody!
[11:56] <Nafallo> rdiff-backup wasn't an option for me. my server will only run main :-)
[11:56] <cusco> ?!?!?!
[11:56] <cusco> please help me
[11:56] <shido6> thanks for the vlc-esd info
[11:56] <Sion> hi
[11:56] <Nafallo> so it's either backuppc or I will write my own scripts :-)
[11:57] <dataw0lf|w> cusco: right, make a ext3 root partition with the bootable flag, and a swap partition.
[11:57] <patrik> i cant get my .rar files to work. any one ?
[11:57] <dataw0lf|w> if you still want your XP partition, retain the 'ntfs' partition that was detected by the installer.
[11:58] <dataw0lf|w> make your swap partition at least the size of the memory available on your box, e.g., if you have 1 gig of RAM, make a 1 gig swap partition.
[11:58] <neighborlee> is there an easy way i'm overlooking to be able to mount my windows partitions and copy over data ?? ( one that does not require shell access )
[11:58] <dataw0lf|w> then the / partition (root)
[11:59] <Nafallo> patrik, unrar-nonfree from multiverse handles RAR 3.0 and later.
[11:59] <dataw0lf|w> alternatively, you could partition off some other stuff, like /tmp, /usr, /home, etc.
[11:59] <dataw0lf|w> but you have to have the / partition.
[11:59] <dataw0lf|w> well, you _should_ have it.
[11:59] <WeirdAl> how do I start GDM from console?
[11:59] <dataw0lf|w> startx
[11:59] <patrik> Nafallo, where can i find it  ?
[11:59] <p0m> WeirdAl: Gdmstart or GDM
[11:59] <Nafallo> patrik, in multiverse
[12:00] <patrik> im a noob explain for me :)
[12:00] <WeirdAl> command not found.
[12:00] <nickrud> WeirdAl, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start


[17:15] <govatent> Hey guys! I finally am learning how to configure irssi. better late then never
[17:16] <govatent> mhall119: ping I noticed something with our team launchpad page today we should fix asap
[17:29] <mhall119> govatent: what's that?
[17:31] <mhall119> govatent: if it's links to the old website, I just took those out
[17:32] <govatent> the ubuntu-fl.org link?
[17:32] <mhall119> yup
[17:32] <govatent> yup. that was it
[17:32] <govatent> did you see what that url was now
[17:33] <govatent> needless to say, fairly nsfw
[17:38] <mhall119> yeah
[17:38] <mhall119> I took it off loco.ubuntu.com a while back, didn't realize it was on LP (and our wiki page) too
[20:59] <govatent> exit
[20:59] <govatent> sorry wrong window
[21:10] <govatent> exit
[23:16] <Nothing_Much> TIL there's an #ubuntu-release-party channel o.o
[23:18] <Nothing_Much> speaking of party..
[23:18] <Nothing_Much> Is the 26th still happening? :D