[12:03] <ryanakca> how do you install splashy without having to uninstall kubuntu desktop?
[12:04] <ttread> wimpies, on mine the resolution looks correct but if I go into the dialog to change it it shows the wrong value
[12:04] <ryanakca> btw... I'm trying to install this theme: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=24760
[12:05] <wimpies> I am going to recover my breezy X configuration and install the fglrx driver and see what that gives
[12:06] <ttread> I always seem to end up editing xorg.conf by hand anyways
[12:09] <zax1> i have nautilus installed( i think)
[12:10] <zax1> i searched for all files with that name, and tryed runing the program, does it need any special attention, or jsut clicking it should run it, cuz i get all sorts of messages but no actual running program
[12:11] <zax1> am i missing something ?
[12:11] <ttread> zax1, nautilus is the file manager for Gnome - not usually used on KDE, and I'm not sure it would work
[12:12] <zax1> oh.... i looked on adept for a cd burner utility
[12:12] <zax1> and that came up
[12:12] <zax1> it had a sexy name, so installed it
[12:12] <fatejudger> zax1: k3b
[12:12] <zax1> k3b ?
[12:12] <fatejudger> zax1: k3b
[12:12] <zax1> would that do dvd and cds ?
[12:12] <ttread> It's true, nautilus does burn CDs, but k3b is better and is included in Kubuntu
[12:12] <fatejudger> zax1: it should already be installed
[12:12] <ttread> k3b is on the multimedia menu
[12:13] <ttread> it does burn dvds and cds
[12:13] <zax1> wil lgive it a go
[12:13] <zax1> many thanks again
[12:13] <ryanakca> how do you install "splashy" without having to uninstall "kubuntu-desktop"?  btw, I'm trying to install this splash screen: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=24760
[12:15] <zax1> right . looks fantastic
[12:15] <zax1> thanks guys
[12:15] <zax1> i am in your debt
[12:15] <wimpies> zax1 : and even better while you are burning something your linux system can still be used wherease windows generally is too busy
[12:15] <ttread> k3b is really good, have fun
[12:15] <zax1> if you live in the UK, maybe i can repay you
[12:16] <zax1> http://1564.tchosts3.net
[12:16] <zax1> let me know
[12:16] <zax1> off i go
[12:16] <zax1> thanks, and bye
[12:17] <atidem> hi folks
[12:17] <atidem> I have a problem
[12:18] <atidem> cant create a table when use date type in mysql
[12:18] <atidem> I receive a sintax error
[12:18] <atidem> is it a bug?
[12:18] <atidem> or something else?
[12:20] <brsseb> hi fellow (k)ubuntulovers. i got most of it working now, only one problem left. external VGA out on my laptop.
[12:20] <brsseb> it works, but only at a very low resolution
[12:20] <ttread> atidem, this is not really a mysql forum, but my guess is you've made a typo or otherwise got the syntax messed up
[12:20] <brsseb> how do i make it support a larger display?
[12:21] <atidem> ttread: create table test( date test_date);
[12:21] <atidem> with this simple test I receive a sintax error
[12:22] <brsseb> atidem: dont the name of the datatype come before the type itself?, like CREATE TABLE test ( mydate DATE) ;?
[12:23] <atidem> brsseb: nope
[12:24] <ryanakca> atidem: its written like this: create table test(test_date date);   on http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-sql/2004-01/msg00064.php
[12:24] <ryanakca> atidem: never mind
[12:24] <ryanakca> atidem: You never saw that... that is postgresql... my bad
[12:25] <ryanakca> atidem: best thing I can suggest is trying in #mysql
[12:25] <atidem> i'm on chan yet
[12:25] <atidem> thanks
[12:25] <ryanakca> kk
[12:25] <ryanakca> bbl
[12:25] <wimpies> what it the main archive for kubuntu ? be.archive.unbuntu.com seems to be missing files
[12:32] <ttread> atidem, have you tried create table test( test_date date);   ?   From what I'm seeing in the mysql documentation it seems that the column name comes before the datatype
[12:32] <atidem> ttread: yes
[12:32] <atidem> it works now
[12:32] <atidem> strange error
[12:32] <atidem> I tried before and did work
[12:32] <atidem> not
[12:32] <atidem> *
[12:33] <ttread> Ok
[12:33] <atidem> in standard sql sintax is DATE IDENTIFIER
[12:34] <ttread> I'm looking at this page: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/4.1/en/create-table.html
[12:34] <ttread> It's confusing because they don't give simple examples but seems to be  (identifier type)
[12:35] <atidem> yes
[12:35] <atidem> I downloaded the same doc in chm format
[12:35] <atidem> and no nice example to understand it
[12:36] <atidem> I have to go now
[12:36] <atidem> ttread: thanks
[12:36] <atidem> bye
[12:36] <ttread> atidem , you're welcome, bye
[12:38] <Crashoveride> anyone wanna tell me how to install php4?
[12:39] <_B_> is there anyone using crypto on file system ?
[12:40] <ttread> Crashoveride: apt-get install php4
[12:41] <Crashoveride> does kubuntu have a ftp or http host built in?
[12:42] <bufalo_1973> hello
[12:43] <ttread> Crashoveride, you can install both from the repositories
[12:43] <Crashoveride> kk
[12:44] <Crashoveride> eeer how do I update my counterstrike server?
[12:44] <ttread> can't help you with that one
[12:44] <Crashoveride> ok
[12:44] <Crashoveride> brb
[12:48] <Crashoveride> ok so how would i setup a ftp server?
[12:49] <ttread> Crashoveride, I haven't done that but you can look in the repositories, I know there are several available
[12:50] <Crashoveride> um i only have ever used konsole
[12:51] <ttread> Crashoveride, sudo aptitude search ftp
[12:52] <ryanakca> how do you install "splashy" without having to uninstall "kubuntu-desktop"?  btw, I'm trying to install this splash screen: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=24760
[12:52] <ttread> or even better, sudo aptitude search ftp | grep server
[12:54] <Crashoveride> k
[12:55] <ttread> ryanakca, System settings - Desktop - Splash Screen?
[12:55] <Crashoveride> ok installing thanks
[12:56] <ryanakca> ttread: http://<IP_ADDRESS>/~ryan/README      that's the readme for installing it
[12:58] <Crashoveride> how do i set my account as root?
[12:58] <incinerator> Crashoveride: I would recommend proftpd
[12:58] <incinerator> default config gives access to each user's home directory by default, and the rest is easily done by checking out the sample configs and reading documentation
[12:58] <incinerator> many howtos in the net, as well
[12:59] <Crashoveride> for proftpd shud i use standalone or inetd
[12:59] <ryanakca> ttread: any ideas?
[12:59] <ttread> ryanakca, take a look at http://www.kde-look.org/comments/discussion.php?id=2&forumpage=27#c134041
[12:59] <incinerator> Crashoverride: or this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PureFTP
[01:00] <ttread> other than that, I haven't done it so can't tell you, sorry
[01:01] <ryanakca> ttread: thats a kdm theme instalation...
[01:01] <federico> hi  there everyone! :)
[01:02] <ttread> ryanakca, Splashy is a theme , or at least that's what it says
[01:02] <incinerator> bah, pureadmin is in universe, but pureftpd isn't ???
[01:02] <Celeste> hi
[01:02] <federico> hi Celeste!
[01:04] <incinerator> oh, it is
[01:04] <incinerator> Crashoveride: no need to download that package from the forums, it is in universe...
[01:04] <callie> can anyone recommend a good kde FTP client?
[01:04] <incinerator> I use nfcftp, it's console but nice
[01:04] <Celeste> Is it dangerous anyhow to install GNOME on  Kubuntu?    Someone told me it could destroy my system - Is this true?
[01:04] <incinerator> ^ncftp
[01:05] <bufalo_1973> callie, which clients have you used until now?
[01:05] <incinerator> Celeste, no everything should be fine
[01:05] <Celeste> incinerator, what do I need to install?    only   aptitude install gnome    or something special?
[01:05] <callie> bufalo_1973, none in kde, normally just use command line bufalo_1973
[01:05] <bufalo_1973> callie, try kbear or konqueror
[01:06] <bufalo_1973> I know there are others, but...
[01:06] <ttread> callie, gFTP works fine in KDE
[01:06] <callie> i like to use native apps if possible ttread
[01:07] <incinerator> Celeste: you can use aptitude, but sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop should do just fine
[01:07] <incinerator> I'll give you no guarantee your pc won't explode, though ;-)
[01:07] <Celeste> incinerator, what is the difference between  1)  "apt-get install gnome"   and  2)   "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop"  ?
[01:08] <brsseb> anyone know how to enable the VGA out on laptops when the external display screen size is larger than the laptops? :)
[01:08] <bufalo_1973> incinerator, apt-get install = aptitude install
[01:08] <brsseb> 1024x768 looks naassty on a dell 24" (1920x1200)
[01:08] <incinerator> bufalo_1973: I'll always load aptitude's frontend first before I do anything....
[01:09] <Celeste> the question is:  What is the difference between  "ubuntu-desktop"    and   "gnome"  ?
[01:09] <incinerator> yeah, just checking
[01:09] <bufalo_1973> ok, incinerator, but using "aptitude install ubuntu-desktop" is the same than "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop"
[01:09] <incinerator> indeed, bufalo_1973, indeed
[01:09] <Tm_T> Celeste: ubuntu-desktop gives ubuntu artwork and other ubuntu specialities, gnome gives only gnome stuff
[01:10] <Crashoveride> haha
[01:10] <ryanakca> ttread: splashy is simmilar to usplash... I thought it was a splash screen for when kde was loading
[01:10] <incinerator> Tm_T: thanks....
[01:10] <Tm_T> Celeste: also, gnome meatpackage will give "all" about gnome, propably lot more than you wan't
[01:10] <ryanakca> anybody know of themes for usplash?
[01:11] <Celeste> Tm_T, what would you suggest?
[01:11] <Celeste> Tm_T, is it dangerous to install that much software from ubuntu?
[01:11] <Tm_T> Celeste: to stick with KDE =)
[01:11] <Celeste> I am  kinda afraid of this  ubuntu-desktop
[01:11] <Tm_T> haha
[01:11] <Celeste> it it as good as installing gnome?
[01:11] <Tm_T> better
[01:12] <Celeste> hm
[01:12] <Celeste> are you op?
[01:12] <ttread> ok ryanakca
[01:12] <bufalo_1973> Celeste, is gnome with ubuntu "extras"
[01:12] <incinerator> Celeste: ubuntu-desktop will give you the same experience as a normal ubuntu-install, whereas the gnome package might not
[01:12] <brsseb> talking about Ubuntu. anyone know how i can install JUST "gedit"? its such a handy little text editor :)
[01:12] <bufalo_1973> brsseb:
[01:12] <incinerator> id's say ubuntu-desktop is less likely to break anything than gnome
[01:12] <Crashoveride> how do I unpack/Install a .tar.gz
[01:12] <bufalo_1973> brsseb, apt-get install gedit
[01:12] <Tm_T> brsseb: kedit ;)
[01:12] <incinerator> and all the xyz-desktop package should coexist peacefully...
[01:12] <crweb> brsseb: well, you would need the things gedit depends on. so "just gedit" wouldn't do you any good with out gtk, adn stuff
[01:12] <Celeste> incinerator:  what extra stuff will I get?
[01:12] <Tm_T> Celeste: yes I am, what about it?
[01:13] <Celeste> Tm_T, so I can belive you more *g*
[01:13] <crweb> brsseb: so you just need to apt-get it.  apt-get will install exactly what is needed,  not more
[01:13] <brsseb> kedit: command not found :|
[01:13] <incinerator> you can check that in aptitude
[01:13] <Tm_T> Celeste: erh... ok
[01:13] <crweb> brsseb: apt-get install kedit kate
[01:13] <crweb> brsseb: i like kate
[01:13] <Tm_T> Kate <3
[01:14] <brsseb> it cant seem to find the packages, not gedit nor gedit
[01:14] <incinerator> Celeste, in aptitude you can list the dependencies, all the currently unsatisfied dependencies are marked in red colour
[01:14] <brsseb> do i have to do something with the repository urls after installing?
[01:14] <bufalo_1973> brsseb, try aptitude search gedit
[01:14] <Celeste> ok I will install ubuntu-desktop  now
[01:14] <Celeste> thank you incinerator  and Tm_T
[01:14] <Celeste> if it does not work ... I will come back ;-)
[01:15] <Celeste> and if it works ... I will also come back *g*
[01:15] <callie> god damn geocities sucks
[01:15] <crweb> geocities still exists?
[01:15] <crweb> wow
[01:15] <Celeste> geocities still exists?
[01:15] <Celeste> LOL
[01:15] <ryanakca> callie: install apache :)
[01:15] <Celeste> crweb  ;)
[01:15] <brydenn> k guys i'm back and still need help figured out how to mount my slave windows HD
[01:15] <brsseb> ohhnno..gnome is invading my lovely KDE distro!!
[01:15] <brydenn> wanna get the mp3s off of it :)
[01:16] <callie> ryanakca, i dont think that will help me in this instance
[01:16] <brsseb> a bunch of gnome-packages came down the pipe
[01:16] <Tm_T> Good night folks, stay in peace ->
[01:22] <Celeste> re
[01:22] <Celeste> Tm_T?
[01:23] <incinerator> wow, install done already?
[01:23] <Celeste> incinerator!  cool you are here
[01:23] <Celeste> I need you help please
[01:23] <incinerator> go ahead
[01:23] <Celeste> when I want to start the installation of  "ubuntu-desktop" I am beeing told that the follwing package will be REMOVED
[01:23] <Celeste> libesd0
[01:23] <Celeste> ... whats do you say?
[01:23] <incinerator> that's ok
[01:23] <Celeste> then its fine with me too
[01:24] <incinerator> as long as it doesn't say any packages are broken that will be ok...
[01:24] <Celeste> thank you!
[01:24] <Celeste> will come back soon!
[01:24] <Celeste> 10 mins or so
[01:24] <incinerator> sure...
[01:28] <Crashoveride> any one here not use linux because they game?>
[01:29] <incinerator> yup, I play nethack ggg
[01:30] <incinerator> many games available for linux though...
[01:30] <Crashoveride> i know
[01:30] <incinerator> http://happypenguin.org/
[01:30] <bufalo_1973> Crashoveride, "not use linux" should be "not use only linux" ;)
[01:30] <incinerator> oh, that's me, as well ggg
[01:30] <incinerator> bloody pacificpoker.com client doesn't run with wine yet
[01:31] <Crashoveride> but what i have come by using no machine to pull over my linux form my server =P
[01:31] <JohnFlux> good,anyone that plays poker deserves to use windows :P
[01:31] <cenobyte> is SLI supported for kubuntu
[01:31] <cenobyte> ?
[01:31] <Crashoveride> lol why wud u need SLI?
[01:31] <cenobyte> quake 4
[01:31] <Crashoveride> o
[01:31] <Crashoveride> right
[01:32] <Crashoveride> is there a linux version of quake 4?
[01:32] <incinerator> dunnow, perhaps the non-free nvidia/ati drivers support it...
[01:32] <cenobyte> yup
[01:32] <incinerator> i think there is
[01:32] <cenobyte> a port anyway
[01:32] <Hobbsee> Crashoveride: i have windows for sims 2 and age of empires - but then again, i have =<2 OS on this machine at any one time
[01:32] <Crashoveride> cool
[01:33] <JohnFlux> personally I can't wait till xen works well
[01:33] <Crashoveride> i play wow and i am running a counter strike srver on the server right now
[01:33] <JohnFlux> then I will just always run windows and linux together
[01:33] <ryanakca> brb... rebooting to test the new kernel :)
[01:33] <Crashoveride> ok
[01:33] <cenobyte> one waord CEDEGA
[01:33] <cenobyte> word*
[01:33] <incinerator> valve's cleverest move evar
[01:33] <JohnFlux> incinerator: what is?
[01:34] <incinerator> releasing linux versions of hl-server
[01:34] <Crashoveride> =P
[01:34] <Crashoveride> i love it how it autoupdates
[01:34] <Crashoveride> i have had my server running for 2 months straight...which im sure isnt that good for it but...its good
[01:34] <cenobyte> well is SLI supported
[01:34] <Crashoveride> sorry i dont know...
[01:34] <incinerator> cenobyte: we don't know
[01:34] <cenobyte> k
[01:35] <cenobyte> ill just post on the forums then
[01:35] <Crashoveride> kk
[01:35] <incinerator> search the forums before you do, someone has probably asked that question before...
[01:36] <bufalo_1973> incinerator, valve can stick the hl-server where the Sun doesn't shine if they don't do a hl-client
[01:36] <Crashoveride> lol why would you say that?
[01:37] <incinerator> bufalo_1973, who care, that couple of thousand licenses they would sell extra don't justify the cost...
[01:37] <Crashoveride> exactly!
[01:37] <incinerator> play nexuiz or another free software fps then...
[01:37] <bufalo_1973> then, why doing them "the favor" of supporting their game?
[01:37] <incinerator> or play q3 urban terror
[01:37] <incinerator> or was it strikeforce...
[01:37] <incinerator> bufalo_1973, exactly
[01:38] <incinerator> i'm beyond care in that matter, i stopped playing fps a couple of years ago
[01:38] <incinerator> but we're moving ot
[01:38] <Crashoveride> hehe have you ever tried battlefield two?
[01:38] <bufalo_1973> they don't make a linux client but want linux users as servers
[01:38] <incinerator> bufalo_1973: indeed, that's what i think was so clever of them
[01:39] <incinerator> Crash: i never even tried bf1942 one
[01:39] <Crashoveride> buffalo_1973: linux is just so much more efficient for servers and doesnt have the support for drivers and such i think...im not that great with linux yet
[01:40] <Crashoveride> incinerator: bf1942 isnt worth the time of day, bf2 is a great game, its like a fps for everyone other than fps players
[01:40] <incinerator> i used to run a 16pls cs server on a p5-233 with 128mb, on FreeBSD
[01:40] <incinerator> but that was before cs 1.0 came out
[01:41] <Crashoveride> lol i am running a css 20 people, 1024ddr2
[01:41] <Crashoveride> i remember thoughs days
[01:41] <incinerator> it performed ok, tho
[01:41] <incinerator> couldn't up it to 20pls, would get laggy, but 16pls was just fine
[01:41] <Crashoveride> im having trouble with my isp, it blocks 27015 and so I have to scramble the port and its really wierd
[01:42] <incinerator> bah
[01:42] <Crashoveride> bugs me
[01:42] <Crashoveride> oh hey i got  a qeustion for you, how do i set a static port on kubuntu?
[01:42] <incinerator> you could run it on another port...
[01:42] <incinerator> you mean port forwarding?
[01:42] <Crashoveride> (they block a range of ports)
[01:43] <incinerator> no clue, I use OpenBSD for firewalls
[01:43] <Crashoveride> no i wanna make the linux box static
[01:43] <Crashoveride> kk
[01:43] <incinerator> static port for what?
[01:43] <incinerator> static ip?
[01:43] <Crashoveride> not static port static lan ip
[01:43] <incinerator> static ip is easy
[01:44] <incinerator> there's an example in man interfaces
[01:44] <incinerator> or use a gui network config thingy of your choice
[01:44] <Crashoveride> ?
[01:44] <incinerator> well, I don't know which, I always edit /etc/network/interfaces directly
[01:45] <incinerator> kde/kubuntu probably have a tool for that though
[01:45] <incinerator> yeah, system settings....
[01:45] <incinerator> is your friend
[01:47] <Crashoveride> ok what ssome cool ways i can change my linux?
[01:47] <incinerator> ???
[01:47] <incinerator> isn't it cool enough already?
[01:47] <Crashoveride> linux isnt that great if your using it out of the box
[01:47] <incinerator> well, if you're an fps fan install yakuake from universe....
[01:47] <gleesond> has anyone in here used scons?
[01:47] <incinerator> f12 gives you a drop-down konsole like quake does ggg
[01:48] <gleesond> for some reasion its not seeing a lib that I know is in /usr/lib
[01:48] <incinerator> freshly installed lib?
[01:48] <incinerator> ldconfig
[01:48] <incinerator> might help
[01:49] <incinerator> brb, cigarette
[01:51] <Crashoveride> brb
[01:52] <Crashoveride> ahahah yakuake is soa wesome
[01:52] <incinerator> back
[01:52] <incinerator> hmmm, where's celeste
[01:52] <incinerator> i'm getting sleepy
[01:53] <Crashoveride> hehe where you from?
[01:53] <incinerator> i live in scotland
[01:53] <Crashoveride> nice
[01:53] <incinerator> 5 to 1am here
[01:53] <Crashoveride> thats like a whole continent away
[01:54] <brsseb> quick question. Why cant the root user launch like "gedit" or any graphical app from xterm  while normal users cant?
[01:54] <incinerator> gnomesudo gedit
[01:54] <brsseb> im trying to use gedit to edit xorg.conf...
[01:54] <incinerator> or whatever gnome uses like kdesu
[01:54] <incinerator> kdesu gedit?
[01:54] <brsseb> gnomesudo: command not found
[01:55] <incinerator> but first apt-get install xemacs
[01:55] <incinerator> running kde?
[01:55] <brsseb> yeah
[01:55] <incinerator> do kdesudo then
[01:55] <brsseb> and ive installed gedit
[01:55] <incinerator> ^kdesu
[01:55] <brsseb> kdesudo: command not found :|
[01:55] <Crashoveride> ok guys im gonna go do my home work Ill ttyk
[01:55] <incinerator> kdesu gedit
[01:56] <brsseb> kdesu gedit => cannot connect to X server 0.0
[01:56] <incinerator> that's strang
[01:56] <incinerator> kdesu xemacs works for me...
[01:57] <brsseb> yeah. everywhere i search and go ppl said it should work just fine..
[01:57] <brsseb> but it dont :(
[01:57] <incinerator> try gnomesu gedit
[01:57] <incinerator> might not be installed though
[01:57] <brsseb> gnomesu command not found
[01:58] <incinerator> why would you run gedit anyways?
[01:58] <brsseb> gedit ist installed, acoording to "apt-get install gedit"
[01:58] <bufalo_1973> brsseb, not to me, whenever I try to run any program from a konsole as root it tells me too "cannot connect"
[01:58] <brsseb> i like it :)
[01:58] <incinerator> weeell, if you're root in the console already it won't work
[01:58] <brsseb> but whats the KDE alternative to gedit?
[01:58] <bufalo_1973> kedit
[01:58] <incinerator> do a xhost + as normal user before you become root
[01:59] <wimpies> anybody knows where I can find a w32codec package for mplayer ?
[01:59] <brsseb> kedit: command not found
[01:59] <incinerator> wimpies: http://wiki.ubuntu-fr.org/doc/plf
[01:59] <bufalo_1973> wimpies, do you have universe in your repositories?
[02:00] <incinerator> brsseb: quite the bloody root mode, use sudo instead
[02:00] <incinerator> or kdesu for kde apps
[02:00] <_B_> w32 codec linked at mplayer homepage
[02:00] <incinerator> universe/multiverse don't have the w32codecs....
[02:00] <_B_> essential codec pack its called over there or similar
[02:01] <brsseb> ok. so it works in non-rootmode and using sudo before all commands
[02:01] <incinerator> anyways, that's it for me for today, good night folks
[02:01] <Pupeno_> brsseb: kwrite
[02:01] <Pupeno_> brsseb: also check out kate.
[02:01] <brsseb> but why on earth cant the root launch apps? it can foramt the drive but it cant use gedit :)?
[02:01] <incinerator> kedit should be install by default....
[02:02] <Hobbsee> incinerator: use kwrite
[02:02] <wimpies> bufalo : yes I have but perhaps not all :)
[02:02] <incinerator> brsseb: there is no root in ubuntu
[02:02] <bufalo_1973> incinerator, then I'm in a "parallel reality" 'cause they're in "my" universe/multiverse
[02:02] <bufalo_1973> :)
[02:02] <Hobbsee> incinerator: there is, it's disabled
[02:02] <Hobbsee> brsseb: gedit isnt installed on kubuntu by default
[02:03] <incinerator> bufalo_1973: I don't think so
[02:03] <brsseb> still odd. but thx for the help guys
[02:03] <bufalo_1973> sorry, incinerator, you're right, it's there... but it's not :P
[02:04] <Celeste> re
[02:04] <Celeste> incinerator!
[02:07] <Crashoveride> whats a good free* online game for linux?
[02:09] <bufalo_1973> Crashoveride, www.happypenguin.org ?
[02:10] <brsseb> stupid n00b-question: whats the path for the rc.local file again ?
[02:10] <brsseb> google isnt much help tonight
[02:11] <Hobbsee> locate rc.local
[02:11] <incinerator> he Celeste
[02:11] <Celeste> hi incinerator
[02:11] <incinerator> how did it go?
[02:12] <brsseb> "locate rc.local" didnt do anything
[02:12] <Celeste> incinerator, perfect ... just try to get a german keyboard ,.... but I think I already got the solution
[02:13] <incinerator> deutsche tastatur?
[02:13] <incinerator> should be set in xorg.conf
[02:13] <incinerator> gnome should pick that up, but then there's probably a config tool for gnome just like for kde
[02:13] <brsseb> ..im getting the feeling Kubuntu differ from Ubuntu in more than just KDE instead of Gnome...
[02:13] <incinerator> brrseb: not by much I'd guess
[02:14] <incinerator> the base system should be almost identical...
[02:14] <brsseb> well, teh code for setting up Ubuntu dont work for Kubuntu..im using 915resoultion hack to get 1280x768 res, and i need to set something in the /etc/init.d/rc.local, but the file isnt there
[02:14] <Celeste> incinerator, I need to restart X
[02:16] <incinerator> probably
[02:16] <Crashoveride> well im off for a bit ill bbl cya all
[02:16] <incinerator> if you've changed xorg.conf
[02:16] <incinerator> seeya
[02:16] <incinerator> there is no rc.local in ubuntu
[02:16] <incinerator> not by default
[02:17] <brsseb> but i can just make the file then? and ubuntu will use it?
[02:17] <incinerator> brsseb: no clue
[02:18] <brsseb> ok. but i got this online hack, "915resolution 3c 1280 768" that must be called somewhere during the boot. any good place for it to be?
[02:18] <brsseb> its a bios hack to enable widescreen display on the laptop
[02:19] <Celeste> incinerator, thank you!
[02:19] <Celeste>
[02:19] <incinerator> ?
[02:19] <incinerator> try again
[02:19] <rich0rd>
[02:20] <incinerator> irc and encodings, always the same
[02:20] <incinerator> better
[02:20] <rich0rd> hrhr
[02:20] <incinerator> I usually don't use unicode, it screws up umlauts for the windows lusers
[02:20] <incinerator> Celeste, everything working now?
[02:21] <Celeste> incinerator, not all... there is one more thing I need to get working
[02:21] <incinerator> and that is?
[02:21] <Celeste> incinerator, but I think thats too special as that somebody could know the solution
[02:23] <Celeste> incinerator, ever worked with  gDesklets?
[02:23] <incinerator> never, I haven't used gnome for years
[02:23] <incinerator> the #ubuntu channel's probably the right place to ask about gdesklets ggg
[02:24] <Celeste> oh yes :)
[02:24] <incinerator> anyways, I've got to go now, before my head damages the keyboard....
[02:24] <incinerator> good night
[02:25] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:25] <Hobbsee> keyboards are great for sleeping on!
[02:36] <wimpies> How can I change my password ?
[02:40] <jdong> wimpies: open up a terminal, type passwd
[02:41] <jdong> idn if there's a more Kubuntu-ish way of doing it, but that always works
[02:43] <Hobbsee> what the heck?
[02:53] <_B_> hey is anyone using encrypted file system for greater safety ?
[02:54] <wimpies> jdong : no gui ?
[02:54] <jdong> unsure
[02:54] <jdong> wimpies: kuser might do it
[02:55] <jdong> dapper has it in the control center
[02:55] <jdong> System Settings
[02:55] <jdong> User Account
[02:55] <jdong> unsure if it's in Breezy
[02:59] <csseyah> gud am  guys
[02:59] <csseyah> question here!
[03:00] <csseyah> I would like to know if the username -> root can login in as a user in KDE??? anyone???
[03:00] <wimpies> you have to allow that in login manager
[03:01] <csseyah> yah but when im in Login Manager
[03:01] <csseyah> it asking for a password
[03:01] <csseyah> then an error msg appear
[03:01] <csseyah> Conversation SU failed
[03:01] <csseyah> what is the meaning of that bro???
[03:03] <csseyah> co'z the really reason is.. i would like to open the ADEPT but i can't open when i supply the root password...
[03:03] <csseyah> i like to install the RPM ...
[03:03] <wimpies> you need the password of the current user
[03:03] <wimpies> not root
[03:04] <csseyah> i do but it fails
[03:04] <csseyah> it there something wrong in my installation of kubuntu???
[03:04] <wimpies> if you run adept then type in the user password that should work (works for me)
[03:05] <csseyah> it say to me that i need to login as a root in order to open that
[03:05] <csseyah> adept
[03:06] <wimpies> yes but still type your password (sudo will take care of the rest )
[03:06] <Celeste> please tell me what package contains  "glib-gettextize"
[03:07] <wimpies> go to debian site and lookup contents of packages
[03:07] <Celeste> ok
[03:10] <csseyah> thanks
[03:10] <csseyah> gtg
[03:13] <brydenn> ohhhhhhhh Hobbsee
[03:13] <farous> an idiot sent me a pdf file that is rotated. He scanned some pages upside down than sent it as pdf. Is there an application that i can use to rotate the pages back so i can edit it latter on with flpsed ?
[03:13] <brydenn> you there my little friend
[03:13] <Hobbsee> hey brydenn
[03:13] <brydenn> whats up girl
[03:13] <brydenn> :)
[03:14] <brydenn> hey i got a slight issue that needs some help
[03:14] <brydenn> trying to mount my slave windows xp HD
[03:14] <brydenn> but i dont just want to mount it once. i want it to auto mount all the time
[03:14] <brydenn> so do i do that?
[03:14] <brydenn> *how
[03:15] <wimpies> see fstab and hope it is not NTFP (else reformat as ext3 and install extifs driver for XP
[03:15] <brydenn> so in the Konsole just type: kate fstab
[03:15] <brydenn> ?
[03:15] <wimpies> man fstab perhaps first
[03:16] <wimpies> this is what I have : /dev/sda1       /media/windows  ntfs    ro,umask=000    0       0
[03:16] <brydenn> i see
[03:16] <brydenn> the dev i'm trying to mount is /dev/hdb1
[03:16] <wimpies> but /dev/sda1 depends on your system and you need to make the dir /media/windows
[03:16] <wimpies> so /dev/hdb1
[03:17] <brydenn> yes
[03:17] <wimpies> is it NTFS and do you want to write to it ?
[03:17] <brydenn> lol yes and yes :)
[03:17] <wimpies> well then reformat is as ext3 and mount ext3 from XP because NTFS and writing is not good
[03:17] <wimpies> i do that all the time and it works great
[03:18] <brydenn> so what the hell it can "read only" just fine but writing to the WIN XP disk is buggy?
[03:18] <wimpies> yes
[03:18] <brydenn> that blows
[03:18] <brydenn> hope they fix that in the next release of ubuntu
[03:19] <wimpies> No it has been around for many years
[03:19] <wimpies> There is an NTFS driver using the dll from windows
[03:19] <wimpies> the problem is that NTFS does strangs things and reverse engineering is difficult and hence buggy
[03:19] <brydenn> yah i suppose
[03:19] <wimpies> but really do think about formatting as ext3 and use the followying driver
[03:20] <brydenn> well, if i format it dont i lose the data?
[03:20] <wimpies> it is free and makes the ext3 driver behave just like an XP drivef (but without character case problems)
[03:20] <wimpies> hdb1 is data disk so backup the disk to another driver, format and restore
[03:21] <wimpies> you need Ext2IFS_1_10a.exe
[03:21] <wimpies> google around a bit
[03:21] <brydenn> k
[03:21] <brydenn> just seems like a lot of work just to copy files from one HD to the next
[03:21] <brydenn> cuz really thats mostly what i wanna do
[03:22] <brydenn> copy the mp3s from my XP HD to my linux HD
[03:22] <wimpies> So again : make a backup of all your mp3 on the NTSF formatted partition
[03:22] <wimpies> after backup reformat as ext3 (from linux)
[03:22] <wimpies> install driver abover under XP
[03:22] <wimpies> restore your mp3 on the now ext3 partition
[03:22] <wimpies> and done ... never have to copy again EVER
[03:23] <brydenn> k here's my question though...after doing that will the slave windows drive load to windows like normal once i switch it back to a single master?
[03:24] <wimpies> yes windows will see it as drive Z: q: or whatever
[03:24] <wimpies> I have an external USB driver I use like this and it works perfectly
[03:24] <brydenn> hmm thats cool
[03:24] <sirblue> gnight folks
[03:24] <brydenn> so once you install that driver on windows
[03:24] <wimpies> I even have a FLASH PEN formatted this way
[03:25] <brydenn> cool
[03:25] <brydenn> so once i install that on my windows HD i can swap files flawlessly between my linux and windows HDs?
[03:25] <wimpies> Just plug the PEN in and windows says ...driver X: ... or something but it is formatted as an ext3 driver but you cannot tell
[03:25] <wimpies> yes, you do not even need to swap
[03:26] <wimpies> WIndows and LINUX will consider the driver as native drives so you can share that driver between both
[03:26] <brydenn> so its like they're the same file system right
[03:26] <brydenn> ie NTFS or EXT3
[03:26] <wimpies> not like the ARE the same filesystem
[03:27] <wimpies> Look at it like a CDROM
[03:27] <wimpies> the CDROM also has a filesystem type
[03:27] <brydenn> k
[03:27] <wimpies> however both LINUX and WINDOWS have driver that understand the format
[03:27] <brydenn> oh ok
[03:27] <wimpies> installing the driver ext3 for XP makes XP understand about ext3 FS
[03:27] <Celeste> Please could anyone of you help me with the "Real Translucency" please?
[03:27] <brydenn> that makes sense now wimpies
[03:28] <wimpies> good
[03:28] <brydenn> but... my linux HD is the master HD
[03:28] <brydenn> doesnt that matter
[03:28] <wimpies> master, slave, usb does not matter
[03:28] <wimpies> we are talking about format of the partition and not the way drives are handled by the bios
[03:29] <brydenn> but how can "windows" interpurate EXT3 without running?
[03:29] <brydenn> cuz linux is my main OS
[03:29] <wimpies> The only thing is that you cannot make window sboot from that partition but hdb1 is probably ok
[03:29] <wimpies> interpurate ?
[03:29] <brydenn> bad spelling
[03:30] <wimpies> yes and hence I do not know what you are talking about
[03:30] <brydenn> its cool wimpies i think i figured it out, thank you very much
[03:30] <brydenn> i'm googling now :)
[03:31] <wimpies> go go go ... :)
[03:42] <ltmon> gtkourounis: hi again... slightly quieter here
[03:42] <gtkourounis> yup
[03:43] <ltmon> ok... so I have looked up some docs on your laptop model.  Apparently using ndiswrapper with the BCMWL5a.inf from driver cd of Acer shouold work.  Is that the driver you used?
[03:43] <gtkourounis> ya
[03:43] <gtkourounis> thats the one
[03:43] <gtkourounis> and thanx for the help
[03:44] <ltmon> np
[03:44] <gtkourounis> apreciate it
[03:44] <gtkourounis> being a total ubuntu noob
[03:44] <gtkourounis> lol
[03:44] <ltmon> can you show the results of "sudo ifdown wlan0 && sudo ifupwlan0" in a command prompt
[03:45] <ltmon> sorry "sudo ifdown wlan0 && sudo ifup wlan0"
[03:45] <gtkourounis> yup one second
[03:45] <ltmon> (no space)
[03:45] <ltmon> this is bringing the network interface down and then up again
[03:45] <ltmon> the output might give a clue
[03:46] <ltmon> also, don't paste output to the chanel... use http://kubuntu.pastebin.com
[03:49] <gtkourounis> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/582946
[03:49] <gtkourounis> i hope that will work
[03:50] <ltmon> ok... i'm looking at it
[03:50] <gtkourounis> ok
[03:51] <ltmon> ok... now paste the output of the command "cat /etc/network/interfaces"
[03:53] <gtkourounis> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/582950
[03:53] <gtkourounis> there it is
[03:54] <gtkourounis> sorry about that
[03:55] <ltmon> your wireless key looks a little strange: the line in that file starting with "wireless-key".  Can you check that.  Did you censor it deliberately or is that what it looks like in the actual file?
[03:56] <gtkourounis> that is the actual code that i put
[03:57] <ltmon> ok... well it doesn't look like any WEP key I've seen... but I'm not really that big on wireless.  My one looks like a 10 digit hexadecimal number.  That is, it has both numbers and capital letters from A-F in it.
[03:58] <gtkourounis> well i could switch to one of those
[03:58] <ltmon> for example: 240A9F991B would look like a WEP key.
[03:58] <ltmon> try that.
[03:58] <gtkourounis> ok
[03:58] <ltmon> use the "Networking" tool again.
[03:58] <gtkourounis> yup
[03:58] <ltmon> and put a hexadecimal key in the right field
[03:59] <gtkourounis> so u suggest i use a hexademical?
[03:59] <ltmon> that's what I use... so i don't know any better :)
[03:59] <gtkourounis> ok
[03:59] <gtkourounis> well then i will try it
[03:59] <gtkourounis> one sec though i have to go offline and then online again
[03:59] <ltmon> ok
[03:59] <gtkourounis> my router only changes settings with e-explorer
[03:59] <gtkourounis> lol
[03:59] <gtkourounis> evil router
[03:59] <gtkourounis> brb
[04:00] <ltmon> evil >:(
[04:02] <ryanakca> hmmm... is gmail down for anybody else?
[04:03] <ltmon> ryanakca: good for me using POP access
[04:03] <ryanakca> ltmon: no... using the web
[04:03] <ltmon> ryanakca: I was being lazy :P checking now
[04:04] <ryanakca> ltmon: it's been loading for 134 seconds so far :S
[04:04] <ltmon> ryanakca: all good from here.
[04:04] <ryanakca> ltmon: hmmm... odd
[04:05] <ltmon> ryanakca: it's probably an issue in your local area.   I haven't use KDE since 1.1 version. my font settings seems no to apply all apps. for example adept uses very big fonts. anyone has a solution or can point a document?
[04:09] <ltmon> decaf: i think i heard of this once... i'll quickly look it up
[04:12] <ltmon> decaf: sorry.. it was a different issue.  That's really strange though.
[04:12] <ltmon> decaf: does System Settings -> Appearance -> Fonts look normal to you?
[04:13] <mosiac> hi i'm new and i seem to be having a little trouble getting my wireless device started in kubuntu are there some good faqs to read?
[04:13] <decaf> yes, I'm using bitstream vera for all. also anti-aliasing
[04:14] <ltmon> sorry, not sure...
[04:14] <ltmon> mosiac: what wireless device are you using?  Is it listed at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[04:16] <mosiac> lol the one i'm trying itsn't compatable thanks ill check another
[04:22] <red> arnaud je suis de retour et ca ne marche tjrs pas... snif
[04:24] <red> comment faire marcher le MP3 et le divx ?
[04:25] <ltmon> red: try #kubuntu-fr
[04:25] <ltmon> red: ne parle francais
[04:25] <red> thank i did it
[04:25] <ltmon> ok
[04:26] <red> itmon tu aurais une solution a mon problme
[04:27] <ltmon> red: je ne parle francais
[04:27] <decaf> ltmon: I did the biggest mistake for a long time linux user, didn't search enough before asking. I found this: applications that require root privileges uses root's settings. that's new for me. thanks for help
[04:27] <ltmon> decaf: ahhhh... it should be set up by default... but good that you fixed it anyway
[04:28] <Drakster> evening all ... just finished installing kubuntu and now I'm wondering how I get to init 3 so I can install my video card driver
[04:28] <decaf> I think I should start with a fresh kubuntu install
[04:28] <ltmon> Drakster: init levels are different on Debian/Kubuntu
[04:29] <Drakster> I'm learnin that ltmon ...lol ... I've been using suse for the last year
[04:29] <decaf> Drakster: what's your card?
[04:29] <Drakster> nvidia
[04:30] <Drakster> 4200 go (laptop)
[04:30] <ltmon> Drakster: that's ok :) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[04:30] <Drakster> thanks
[04:30] <red> somebody here can help me whith the MP3 and DIVX set up..i did all they say at the kubuntu.fr and still doesn't work.
[04:30] <ltmon> The instructions are for Ubuntu, but most are easily translated to kubuntu
[04:30] <Drakster> thanks
[04:32] <bufalo_1973> red, have you tryed to install an mp3-only player?
[04:32] <bufalo_1973> (tryed? tried?)
[04:32] <red> no i don't i try using kaffeine
[04:34] <bufalo_1973> install mpg321
[04:34] <red> could i remove gstreamer ?
[04:34] <bufalo_1973> why?
[04:34] <root404> DCC SEND "zzomgzomgwtfbbqpwn" 0 0 0
[04:35] <root404> shit
[04:35] <root404> sorry
[04:35] <root404> wrong paste
[04:35] <red> to use xine
[04:35] <bufalo_1973> if I'm not mistaked you can have both installed
[04:36] <red> ok you're right
[04:39] <Drakster> after installing the nvidia drivers with adept do I need to reboot?
[04:40] <Drakster> or is there a way to re-start x ??
[05:01] <bufalo_1973> good night
[05:03] <stupendo44> does anyone here know of any linux software that will download a website?
[05:04] <admrl> stupendo44 wget..?
[05:04] <stupendo44> admrl: not a page, but the whole website
[05:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> wget
[05:06] <admrl> now why would you need to download a whole website..?
[05:07] <stupendo44> admrl: I need to make changes to it, but I don't have a local copy. I also need to upload it to another location.
[05:09] <juzzy> whats the default root password, i never got to set it
[05:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> !root
[05:09] <ubotu> By default, the root password is locked in Ubuntu. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[05:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> stupendo44: i used scp
[05:10] <juzzy> thank you Kamping_Kaiser
[05:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> try ftp otherwise
[05:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> np juzzy
[05:10] <stupendo44> Kamping_Kaiser: do you have a link?
[05:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> stupendo44: lilnk to what?
[05:11] <stupendo44> Kamping_Kaiser: sorry, didn't know what scp is. now I do
[05:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh.
[05:12] <stupendo44> I can use wget to do it, just have to figure out the right commands
[05:14] <juzzy> Kamping_Kaiser: whats the command to mount an ntfs hdd ... sudo mount /dev/hda2 /mnt/old ???
[05:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> you probably need -t ntfs
[05:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> !ntfs
[05:15] <ubotu> from memory, ntfs is the filesystem used in Windows 2000 and newer; to automatically mount your NTFS partition: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[05:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> nothing here :/
[05:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah, there.
[05:15] <stupendo44> juzzy: most of the time you don't need -t ntfs, but you could. otherwise that's the correct command
[05:15] <juzzy> hm ok
[05:16] <juzzy> stupendo44:  whats the command to list all partitions on hda ?
[05:16] <juzzy> wow wiki has it all!
[05:16] <stupendo44> juzzy: not sure, wish I knew
[05:18] <juzzy> wow, that auto mounter thing RULES!
[05:18] <juzzy> thanks guys
[05:20] <juzzy> !xvid
[05:20] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, juzzy
[05:20] <juzzy> !divx
[05:20] <ubotu> it has been said that restricted is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed here can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[05:50] <Captainbraille> Hello, anyone know alot about adept?
[05:52] <bert_> just use it, don't need to know much about it
[05:53] <Captainbraille> well bert, I'm trying to add a repository from winehq.com  //  this is what they say to add .. "  deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ binary/  "  of course thats for synaptic, and I don't know how to get it to work in adept
[05:58] <bert_> This is all I've got in mine-    deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ binary/
[05:58] <bert_> Doesn't that work?
[06:00] <bert_> Wine 0.9.8 is showing in the list in adept with that entry
[06:01] <Captainbraille> this is what I get under "distribution"  "binary/"
[06:01] <Captainbraille> then I fetch updates and the program crashes
[06:03] <Captainbraille> well thanks bert have a good one
[06:04] <bert_> Mine shows the same, that's because we didn't type in an entry for distibution and components
[06:04] <bert_> But mine doesn't crash and wine is shown in adept OK
[06:19] <Evil_H> i got a noob question. i have kubuntu and WinXP dual booted on my laptop. i updateed to KDE 3.5.1 and now in Grub i have Ubuntu linux kernel 9, kernel 10 and windows. why are there two versions of linux?
[06:34] <stupendo44> Evil_H: after you update the kernel, it still keeps the old one until you remove it. It's good in case there's problems with the new one.
[06:35] <stupendo44> Evil_H: just use Synaptic to remove the old kernel
[06:35] <stupendo44> Evil_H: it's not really two versions of linux, just the small bit that it needs to start linux (the kernel)
[06:35] <stupendo44> Evil_H: nothing else is a copy
[06:36] <Arcanimus_> good night
[06:36] <stupendo44> Evil_H: or if you're not using Synaptic, you can use Adept
[06:36] <stupendo44> Evil_H: same concept
[06:38] <Evil_H> ok sweet thanks
[06:40] <stupendo44> Evil_H: np
[07:08] <duckdown> Hey all
[07:09] <duckdown> I'm running Dapper 4, and have uncommented the universe, etc. lines from /etc/apt/sources.list but I still can't figure out what I need to apt-get in order to watch/stream .WMV files.  There is no 'w32codecs' package even though i found something to that effect on google.  Can anyone lend me a hand please :-)
[07:10] <Hobbsee> !w32codecs
[07:10] <ubotu> [w32codecs]  a compilation of binary win32 A/V codecs for many popular proprietary formats not currently supported by free implementations under linux. See http://tinyurl.com/e4a5s to install
[07:11] <duckdown> Thanks Hobbsie
[07:34] <_phantom> how's it going everyone.
[07:35] <_phantom> anyone here?
[07:39] <renato> hello
[07:40] <renato> anybody there?
[07:40] <renato> I'm pretty lost
[07:40] <_phantom> yeah.  i'm here
[07:40] <renato> hey
[07:40] <_phantom> but it seems that i am the only one tho
[07:40] <renato> good enough
[07:41] <_phantom> i'm still trying to figure out Kubuntu myself, though.
[07:41] <renato> I wonder if you could give me a hand
[07:41] <renato> oh
[07:41] <renato> heh he
[07:41] <_phantom> what's the problem though
[07:41] <_phantom> maybe i know enough to help you out.
[07:41] <renato> you probably do
[07:41] <_phantom> well, i can at least try, heh.
[07:41] <renato> well, I'm completely new to linux altogether
[07:42] <_phantom> ah.  i see.  ok.  i was in that seat years ago too.
[07:42] <renato> and I can't figure out how to install software
[07:42] <_phantom> ah.
[07:42] <_phantom> and you are using Kubuntu?
[07:42] <renato> yes
[07:42] <_phantom> just making sure here.
[07:42] <renato> it's different to ubuntu too
[07:42] <_phantom> ok.  well, from what i gather from debian (Kubuntu is built off of debian), there is a tool called apt-get
[07:43] <renato> heard of it
[07:43] <renato> how does one get to it
[07:43] <_phantom> now, Kubuntu, i have found has a gui for it, so you don't have to do it from the command line like i used to.
[07:44] <renato> can't seem to find it though
[07:44] <_phantom> look in your K menu/System.  it's called Adept
[07:44] <renato> adept
[07:44] <renato> hold on
[07:44] <_phantom> so go to K menu, go up to System, and you should find something in there called Adept.
[07:44] <_phantom> it's the package manager.
[07:44] <renato> okay found that
[07:45] <_phantom> ok, you'll need to sudo your password. (it'll ask you for the passwrod.  just type in your user password.
[07:45] <renato> nothing though
[07:45] <renato> oh, yeah, there it is
[07:45] <_phantom> nothing?  like nothing as in what?
[07:45] <_phantom> ok.
[07:45] <_phantom> it takes a minute i take it on your machine.  that's ok though.
[07:46] <renato> mmhmm
[07:46] <renato> it's there
[07:46] <_phantom> up at the top, you'll see fetch updates.
[07:46] <_phantom> fetch all updates for your machine and it will update the system files automatically for you.
[07:46] <renato> it did
[07:46] <_phantom> what program were you looking to install though?
[07:47] <renato> the reason why I installed linux was to be able to use GRASS and R
[07:48] <_phantom> hmm.. never heard of that.
[07:48] <_phantom> what is GRASS supposed to be?
[07:48] <renato> weed
[07:48] <renato> kidding
[07:49] <_phantom> lol.  nvm,  i found the site for it.
[07:49] <renato> Geographic Resources Analysis Support System
[07:49] <renato> k
[07:49] <_phantom> interesting program, i must admit.
[07:49] <renato> I am an economics student
[07:50] <renato> and we are implementing an environmental economics program
[07:50] <_phantom> one more thing that i haven't figured out is how to add ftp sites to the apt-get lookup, so you may not be able to get grass unless you compile it yourself.
[07:50] <_phantom> well, good luck on that.
[07:50] <renato> sounds complicated
[07:51] <renato> how about on those pages where it says download
[07:51] <renato> isn't it like downloading it and double clicking on it or something?
[07:52] <_phantom> yeah, but remember that you must compile it from source so it will run correctly on your computer.
[07:52] <_phantom> no.  you must compile the source.
[07:52] <renato> you lost me there
[07:52] <frank23> Geographic Resources Analysis Support System ?
[07:52] <renato> I know nothing about programming
[07:52] <_phantom> well, ok.  think of it this way.  you get the raw data from the site, download it, and go to command rpmpt.....
[07:53] <_phantom> after that, you go to the place where you downloaded it to, type ./compile and it compiles the program to your system
[07:53] <renato> thanks
[07:53] <_phantom> after that you must type 'make' (without the quotes) to make the "executable" file.
[07:53] <renato> hmm
[07:54] <_phantom> after that, you must type 'make install' (again, without quotes) to install it onto your system
[07:54] <frank23> I guess by ./compile you mean  ./configure
[07:54] <_phantom> bah, you're right.  my bad.
[07:54] <_phantom> my mind's 20 other places right now.
[07:54] <_phantom> ./configure, make, make install.
[07:54] <frank23> renato: thats only for programs that you can't get with adept. And there's alot available there
[07:54] <_phantom> that should install it on your machine if you have everything.
[07:55] <renato> cool
[07:55] <_phantom> frank23, GRASS is not available.
[07:55] <frank23> _phantom: yes it is
[07:55] <_phantom> neither is GIS.
[07:55] <_phantom> ??
[07:55] <frank23> I don't know about gis but grass is in universe
[07:55] <_phantom> i must not have the updated list of FTP sites in yet.
[07:55] <frank23> !sources
[07:55] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[07:56] <frank23> You have to enable universe. the instructions are in there
[07:57] <_phantom> frank, you are a lifesaver.  i just installed Kubuntu, so i'm still trying to figure out ADEPT, myself.
[07:57] <_phantom> heard that it was a clean OS, so i had to try it out.
[07:58] <frank23> gis is there too. a program called qgis seems to be it
[07:58] <renato> gis means geographical information system
[07:58] <renato> so any program such as grass would be a gis software
[07:58] <frank23> ok.
[07:59] <frank23> anyways enable universe (and multiverse while you're at it) and you can use adept to see what is available
[07:59] <_phantom> frank23, are you running Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
[07:59] <frank23> about 18000 packages for me right now
[07:59] <_phantom> cause i can't find the synaptic package manager in the listings of K menu.
[08:00] <frank23> kubuntu but the only difference is the Desktop environment
[08:00] <frank23> that's because synaptic is not in kubuntu by default
[08:00] <_phantom> yeah, i kind of figured that.  but where's Synaptic in the K menu?
[08:00] <_phantom> oh nice.  ok.  i will apt-get it then
[08:00] <frank23> you can install it though. I like synaptic better than adept
[08:02] <renato> I can't enable universe and multiverse
[08:02] <frank23> what is the problem?
[08:02] <renato> the thing's for ubuntu synaptic
[08:02] <renato> and it's not the same
[08:02] <frank23> renato: look at the end of the page
[08:05] <renato> oh yeah, felt dumb
[08:05] <renato> sorry
[08:05] <renato> and thank you
[08:05] <frank23> no problem ;)
[08:13] <renato> I enabled all the ones that said universe and renamed them to universe multiverse
[08:13] <renato> now it's doing a loooot of thinking
[08:14] <renato> is that normal?
[08:15] <frank23> did you click fetch updates after those changes>?
[08:16] <renato> yup
[08:16] <renato> it's done
[08:16] <renato> it's there
[08:16] <frank23> what is doing the thinking? adept?
[08:16] <renato> you rule man
[08:17] <frank23> around this time at night, you can also get the file database that updates automatically. it takes a while and the hard drive is busy
[08:17] <renato> okay, I clicked on install and it changed the status of fourteen packages to install, but it's not installing anything
[08:17] <renato> file database that updates automatically?
[08:17] <frank23> you have to click commit to actually make it install
[08:18] <renato> okay
[08:18] <frank23> yeah its an index of all the files on the drive to make it faster to search for a file
[08:18] <renato> okay, and what's it called?
[08:19] <frank23> what?
[08:19] <renato> file database that updates automatically?
[08:19] <renato> how do you mean get, then?
[08:19] <frank23> in the console you can run   locate filename to find a file
[08:19] <renato> ohh
[08:20] <frank23> if you do locate adept   it will give you all the files with adept in the name quickly
[08:21] <frank23> !cli
[08:21] <ubotu> CLI means Command Line Interface, aka the terminal or console. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands or http://www.linuxcommand.org/ or http://www.tuxfiles.org
[08:22] <renato> Mmm, what's the best linux beginner's literature you can name?
[08:22] <renato> I want to learn this stuff
[08:23] <frank23> I'm not sure...   for ubuntu at least you should start with the wiki. you can also browse the forums
[08:23] <renato> k
[08:24] <frank23> for using the console, you could make a search for  bash tutorial  or something like that
[08:24] <frank23> bash is the name of the shell
[08:25] <renato> thanks
[08:25] <renato> um, where are you from, btw?
[08:25] <frank23> this is a pretty good place to start https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation
[08:25] <frank23> Montreal
[08:25] <frank23> you?
[08:26] <renato> Guatemala (not to be confused with guacamole, though)
[08:26] <renato> and what are you doing up this late?
[08:27] <frank23> obviously nothing very productive ;)  I was trying to upload games to my cell phone. I haven't been very successful at it
[08:29] <renato> well, it was productive for me that you were up
[08:30] <renato> and for environmental economics in the not so distant future
[08:30] <frank23> oh yes
[08:31] <renato> so, it might seem like an unsuccessful cell phone venture, but its transcendent
[08:31] <renato> heh heh
[08:32] <frank23> why did you choose kubuntu?
[08:33] <frank23> hmm its pretty late in guatemala too. 1h30 am
[08:34] <shawn__> oh a pointless thing that people might find interesting I'm a student at a computer college and right now we are learing about linux and my teacher chose to use kubuntu which I allready use personally
[08:35] <frank23> shawn__: that must be a pretty easy course for you if you used it before you teacher chose it
[08:35] <renato> I chose kubuntu by pure chance
[08:36] <renato> and screenshots
[08:36] <shawn__> yeah well it's just basics right now to get people comfotable with it... I think he's planning to use fedora and redhat also later on
[08:36] <renato> I failed at installing debian
[08:37] <renato> and lost my old windows xp in the process
[08:37] <Chanika> I have a weird problem on one of my friends' comps - media:/ shows the floppy drive, but not any of the cd drives or hard disks...
[08:37] <renato> I tried ubuntu on an old comp that was lying around and brought it back to life
[08:37] <Chanika> I haven't had this problem on any other kubuntu installs, and don't see anything odd, so I'm confused
[08:37] <Chanika> oh, and it shows usb drives fine too
[08:38] <frank23> Chanika: I don't know what to do
[08:38] <frank23> sorry
[08:38] <frank23> anyways good night everyone
[08:39] <Chanika> everything shows up fine in /media but I don't think my friend's parents are smart enough to learn to look there
[08:39] <renato> sleep well frank
[08:39] <renato> and thanks again
[08:40] <Chanika> hmm. nobody else awake?
[08:40] <renato> me, but I am so clueless
[08:40] <Chanika> sheesh... it's like half the internet is in bed right now :P
[08:40] <Chanika> I finally got going on some kopete stuff, but wanted to get permission to commit my work.. and everyone in #kopete is sleeping
[08:41] <Chanika> all my friends are asleep or out partying, too.
[08:41] <renato> I haven't been out partying in a while
[08:41] <renato> went to the movies though
[08:41] <Chanika> I satyed home 'cause I haven't been able to enjoy programming in ages
[08:41] <renato> heh heh
[08:41] <Chanika> stupid work getting in the way
[08:42] <renato> what is your job
[08:42] <renato> ?
[08:42] <Chanika> programming... sort of...
[08:42] <Chanika> lately a lot of it is fighting with retarded javascript and weird build systems
[08:42] <Chanika> and watching the PHB piss people off
[08:43] <renato> hmm, PHB being what?
[08:49] <Chanika> PHB = pointy-haired boss. don't you read dilbert? :)
[08:49] <renato> heh heh
[08:49] <renato> haven't seen dilbert in ages
[08:50] <Chanika> it's online. but only a couple months' worth of archives are kept
[08:50] <renato> where are you chatting from?
[08:50] <Chanika> eh?
[08:52] <renato> koffice or openoffice?
[08:59] <Chanika> what?
[08:59] <Chanika> what do office suites have to do with chatting?
[08:59] <Chanika> hmm. guess I'll never know
[08:59] <kunjan> anyone would know why my amarok keeps on crashing?
[09:00] <kunjan> everyonce in a while?
[09:00] <kunjan> any common reasons?
[09:00] <Chanika> amarok is buggy. :)
[09:00] <Chanika> I just restart it once in a while
[09:00] <Chanika> and try not to hit buttons too fast
[09:01] <kunjan> its a pain
[09:01] <Chanika> yeah
[09:01] <kunjan> just crashes
[09:01] <kunjan> i love it otherwise
[09:01] <Chanika> you could go report it and see if you can help track down hte bug...
[09:01] <Chanika> I'm busy with kopete stuff
[09:02] <kunjan> yeah will try to do that
[09:03] <maenty> Hello, all!
[09:04] <Chanika> yay, I think I've found another oscar task I can write a test for :)
[09:04] <maenty> Could someone help me with couple questions. I'm planning to install amd64-version of Kubuntu
[09:04] <ttread> maenty I'm running kubuntu AMD64
[09:05] <maenty> ttread: I read in ubuntu forum, that there is basically only the basic package of kubuntu to AMD64.
[09:05] <maenty> ttread: What I'd like to find, is the application list that is included in Kubuntu
[09:06] <maenty> ttread: For me, it would be enough to have openoffice, good browser, media player that can play ogg/mp3/mov/etc, GIMP and some program with functuinality that WinSCP3 has
[09:06] <maenty> ttread: However, I haven't found a list of programs that is included..
[09:06] <maenty> ttread: Are you using 5.10 ?
[09:06] <ttread> You can do almost everything the same as with 32 bit
[09:06] <Chanika> hmm. one thing that I think is missing from amd64 is flash...
[09:06] <ttread> maenty yes I'm using 5.10
[09:07] <Chanika> maenty: basically just a few proprietary things are 32-only right now, afaik
[09:07] <ttread> maenty openoffice, firefox are both installed by default
[09:07] <ttread> maenty gimp is available in the standard repository
[09:08] <maenty> ttread: so it can be installed with apt-get for amd64 also?
[09:08] <ttread> maenty: the only things you may have difficulty with are some of the restricted codecs
[09:08] <ttread> maenty: also flash plugin is a problem right now also
[09:09] <ttread> maenty : yes gimp is available with apt-get along with 1000s of other apps
[09:09] <maenty> ttread: for i386 flas not a problem?
[09:09] <ttread> maenty I don't understand your last question
[09:10] <eob84> does anyone in here play ut2004?
[09:10] <Chanika> I used to...
[09:10] <maenty> For Windows XP, I used to have quite good system for videos / music. Winamp playing all possible sound/music files, and Media Player Classic all possible video files, with the help of Real Alternative and Quicktime Alternative.. can this be achieved with Kubuntu also? One player for all?
[09:10] <eob84> yea
[09:10] <eob84> called VLC
[09:11] <maenty> ttread: You mentioned that flash plugin is problem. The problem is only for amd64-version?
[09:11] <ttread> maenty yeah 32-bit flash works fine
[09:12] <ttread> maenty on 64-bit the popular win32codecs package doesn't work, so I'm using mplayer which has an alternate set of codecs
[09:12] <maenty> Is the AMD64-version actually running applications so much faster, that it's worthy of missing some applications?
[09:13] <ttread> maenty I haven't tested it myself but I've heard others say that there is a noticable speed boost
[09:13] <glo> Hi I need help and I know this is a deb based distro. I'm trying to setup a network card that was working on kernel 2.4 but now it doesn't activate during with with 2.6.8.
[09:13] <maenty> How about installing the dapper-version?
[09:13] <ttread> maenty I can currently play mp3, ogg, avi, mpg
[09:14] <maenty> ttread: That's almost all that I need.. I rarely need to play any quicktime or realmedia files
[09:14] <glo> I know deb has dpkg-reconfigure but I don't know the specific command for seting up the net card
[09:14] <ttread> but have problems with .ram and .wmv
[09:15] <glo> ttread, get the codecs on mplayers website
[09:15] <glo> the all package
[09:15] <maenty> hmm.. .wmv not working might become a problem
[09:15] <ttread> ok thanks glo, I'll look into that .. I thought it came with all the codecs already
[09:15] <glo> nope just the basic
[09:15] <maenty> can't the mplayer with codecs be isntalled with apt-get?
[09:16] <glo> yes the base ones
[09:16] <ttread> I ended up compiling mplayer and it's working fine
[09:16] <skypa> anyone aware if the weird vfat sync behaviour is fixed in kernel >2.6.12?
[09:17] <ronaldson40> hi
[09:17] <Chanika> hmm. what package(s) will get kaffeine to show most videos?
[09:17] <ronaldson40> You can use VLC
[09:17] <Chanika> skypa: what weird behaviour?
[09:18] <skypa> plug a usb stick in, mount it sync and watch it copy with about 30kb/s
[09:18] <ronaldson40> hi
[09:18] <Chanika> hmm. never used vlc before.
[09:18] <kingpomba> im downloading kubuntu now, my first time using linux :)
[09:18] <skypa> mount it async and you have to sync it manually before unmounting, plus progress bars are faulty since it's buffered way faster than actually copied
[09:18] <ttread> good for you kingpomba
[09:19] <skypa> no one noticed that before? :/
[09:19] <kingpomba> how is kubuntu for games anyway
[09:19] <ronaldson40> I have a HP Colour Laserjet 2600n printer that I would like to print to in both colour not only black
[09:19] <glo> can anyone help me figure out why my netcard isn't activiating at bootup?
[09:19] <Chanika> I'm basically trying to find the minimum number of packages to go from a near-default system to one that can play.. let's see... avi files. for a friend that no longer has internet, so I'll have to copy the packages manually
[09:20] <ttread> glo, is it a laptop or desktop?
[09:20] <ronaldson40> Chanika : VLC plays over 100 formats
[09:20] <glo> desktop
[09:20] <maenty> ronaldson40: by default? or you need to download lot's of codecs?
[09:20] <Chanika> ronaldson40: will it not pull in a lot of other stuff?
[09:20] <glo> Debian 3.1. It activates with kernel 2.4 but not with 2.6.8.
[09:20] <glo> ronaldson40: vlc rocks
[09:20] <ttread> glo try lspci to see what drivers you have loaded
[09:21] <glo> ok
[09:21] <Chanika> The following extra packages will be installed:
[09:21] <Chanika>   liba52-0.7.4 libaa1 libdvbpsi3 libglib1.2 libgtk1.2 libgtk1.2-common liblircclient0 libmpeg2-4 libtar
[09:21] <Chanika>   libwxgtk2.4-1 wxvlc
[09:21] <ronaldson40> yah VLC Sure does
[09:21] <Chanika> 0 upgraded, 12 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded
[09:21] <Chanika> hrm. I was hoping for less
[09:21] <glo> I see the card driver in there
[09:21] <maenty> does VLC come with Kubuntu by default?
[09:21] <kingpomba> 1 Day 6 Hours untill kubuntu is finished downloading :)
[09:21] <maenty> and does VLC work with amd64?
[09:22] <maenty> kingpomba: which version are you downloading?
[09:22] <Chanika> aand mplaywer is worse. 19
[09:22] <ttread> glo you can type sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[09:22] <ttread> maenty, no
[09:22] <ttread> maenty, vlc is in the repositories for 64 bit but I haven't tried it
[09:22] <maenty> ttread: no, doesn't come by default or no, does not work with amd64? (or both?)
[09:22] <maenty> hmm, roger
[09:23] <glo> ttread: if I use dhclient without adding something like eth0, it starts up
[09:23] <glo> I don't get it. With adding eth0, I get something ending with sleeping
[09:23] <ttread> glo, is your card being assigned to something other than eth0?  what does ifconfig say?
[09:24] <glo> let me see
[09:24] <kingpomba> maenty: the latest one i guess
[09:24] <kingpomba> it's a torrent
[09:24] <glo> how would I tell?
[09:25] <ttread> glo, type ifconfig
[09:25] <ronaldson40> is there a Print server application so that i can print on HP Laserjet 2600n ( Only windows drivers available) which can be installed on my other Windows laptop so that I can print from Kubuntu
[09:25] <kingpomba> maenty: 5.10 DVD version
[09:25] <maenty> kingpomba: does it say 5.10?
[09:25] <maenty> kingpomba: ok
[09:25] <glo> I did
[09:25] <maenty> kingpomba: I'm also planning to install it, using Windows XP now
[09:26] <maenty> kingpomba: But I'm still not sure which one should I get.. amd64 or i386 version
[09:26] <ttread> glo, it will list your interfaces, i.e. lo, eth0, eth1, etc
[09:26] <kingpomba> well what do you have
[09:26] <ronaldson40> When u install Kubuntu make sure u get the KDE 3.5 upgrade
[09:26] <kingpomba> a amd 64 bit processor or a i386 version
[09:27] <maenty> kingpomba: Well, I have 64bit AMD processor, but I'm wondering here because all programs don't yet work in 64-bit
[09:27] <maenty> ronaldson40: how to get it?
[09:27] <kingpomba> im just downloading it to try out linux anyway
[09:27] <ronaldson40> wait a sec..
[09:27] <maenty> ronaldson40: Does it come automatically if I just run some apt-get update / apt-get upgrade?
[09:28] <glo> yes it did, what exactly do I look for?
[09:28] <ttread> maenty, there are instructions on the wiki to get kde 3.5
[09:28] <maenty> kingpomba: And I'm planning to make Linux as my only OS, that's why I'd need to have all necessary programs working
[09:29] <ronaldson40> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-351.php
[09:29] <ronaldson40> chek this link for upgrade instrucions
[09:29] <maenty> ttread: But I think that's for Ubuntu
[09:29] <ttread> glo, look for what interfaces it lists.  If you're on the internet it should show eth0 or something similar along with an ip address and some statistics
[09:29] <ronaldson40> to KDE 3.5.1
[09:29] <kingpomba> im just thinking wether it's worth my time now
[09:29] <ttread> maenty there are instructions to upgrade from the kde 3.4 that comes with kubuntu 5.10
[09:30] <kingpomba> i mean windblows can do basicly everything i need
[09:30] <maenty> ronaldson40: thanks
[09:30] <Captainbraille> How do I find the cdrom group and get permission to read?
[09:31] <ttread> maenty see http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-351.php
[09:31] <kingpomba> i might dual boot linux and winblows
[09:31] <kingpomba> kubuntu has a partrition tool right?
[09:31] <maenty> kingpomba: I'm going to doo that too first
[09:32] <glo> this appears on eth3 inet addr:<IP_ADDRESS>  Bcast:<IP_ADDRESS>  Mask:<IP_ADDRESS>
[09:32] <kingpomba> im just keeping windows incase i need it or wnat to use it or screw something up
[09:32] <maenty> oh.. how about file system btw. Can I read NTFS-files from Kubuntu?
[09:32] <kingpomba> just something to fall back on too rather than installing it and relizing i need it again and waste 200 bucks
[09:33] <ttread> ok glo that tells you that your card is being assigned as eth3 for some reason
[09:33] <kingpomba> yeah my hard drive is ntfs
[09:33] <glo> Hmm ok odd
[09:33] <maenty> kingpomba: Why it costs 200 bucks if you re-install Windows?
[09:33] <maenty> ttread: thanks
[09:34] <glo> do you know the command for reconfiguring the network?
[09:34] <ttread> glo, sorry I don't know that detail, try google
[09:34] <maenty> I used to have Red Hat and Windows in 2002.. back then I had to change from NTFS to FAT to make it work with linux
[09:34] <glo> I have been
[09:34] <glo> thanks though
[09:34] <ttread> ha ha
[09:35] <glo> I think I know how to fix it now, thanks for the lessons
[09:35] <ttread> maenty, linux, including ubuntu/kubuntu can read NTFS but cannot write to it
[09:35] <maenty> ttread: oh.. ok, that's good
[09:36] <glo> no one should use ntfs
[09:36] <kingpomba> maenty: i lost my windows disc
[09:36] <maenty> kingpomba: Lost? How?
[09:36] <glo> in the trash
[09:36] <kingpomba> yeah
[09:36] <maenty> :)
[09:36] <ttread> lol
[09:37] <kingpomba> i got this computer back when i was really really new to computers
[09:37] <kingpomba> i thought since windows was install i did'ent need it
[09:37] <kingpomba> i was painfully wrong
[09:38] <maenty> kingpomba: You don't need to go back to windows
[09:38] <maenty> kingpomba: just stig with Linux.. Most of the things you did in Windows you can do in Linux anyway, and the rest you can get used to live without
[09:39] <brydenn> weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[09:39] <glo> yuck
[09:39] <brydenn> hehe well just buzzin really
[09:39] <brydenn> i can still type right
[09:40] <glo> kingpomba: I have been more productive on linux than I ever was on windows. give it time
[09:42] <Captainbraille> How do you get read permissions for /dev/cdrom?
[09:42] <kingpomba> im keeping windows
[09:42] <kingpomba> no one can convince me otherwise
[09:42] <kingpomba> can you have diffrent partritions then
[09:42] <maenty> I hope it is possible to slowly increase the size of linux partition
[09:43] <kingpomba> like my main drive is nTFS
[09:43] <maenty> I only have 30GB free out of 200GB, and I want to move most of the files to the linux partition
[09:43] <kingpomba> NTFS*
[09:43] <glo> Captainbraille: chown 777 /dev/cdrom
[09:43] <kingpomba> kubuntu has a partrition tool right
[09:43] <maenty> I hope so
[09:44] <kingpomba> other wise i've wasted all my time
[09:44] <Captainbraille> Hi glo, yeah, just type that in a Konsole?
[09:44] <Chanika> yeah
[09:44] <Chanika> Captainbraille: what glo said is not the best way
[09:44] <glo> nope but it works
[09:44] <Captainbraille> What is the best way Chanika?
[09:44] <Chanika> Captainbraille: if you want a user to have access to the cdrom, they should probably be added to the cdrom group
[09:45] <glo> should have thought of that
[09:45] <Captainbraille> Add to the cdrom group? How do I do that?
[09:45] <Chanika> go into hte user manager thingy
[09:45] <glo> kuser
[09:45] <glo> as root
[09:45] <Captainbraille> How do I find the cdrom group?
[09:45] <Chanika> I'm in gentoo right now so I can't be exact :)
[09:46] <Chanika> when you go to edit a user, one of the tabs will have a list of the groups they're in
[09:46] <ttread> kingpomba see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo
[09:46] <maenty> thaks ttread, that was good for me too :)
[09:46] <Captainbraille> Let me check this out, thanks =)
[09:46] <glo> ttread: thanks I fixed it
[09:46] <glo> going to reboot to test it. BBIAB
[09:46] <ttread> yw maenty
[09:47] <ttread> yw glo
[09:47] <glo> :)
[09:47] <Chanika> aww. the kubuntu comp I was lurking on shut down...
[09:47] <ttread> maenty, kingpomba, note that you will need to defrag first
[09:47] <ttread> also run chkdsk -f to fix any bad sectors
[09:47] <ttread> before you try resizing the partition
[09:48] <Chanika> ttread: really? ntfsresize on knoppix didn'te require any defrag
[09:48] <Captainbraille> does group number matter for the cdrom?
[09:48] <Chanika> Captainbraille: number? you shouldn't be looking at numbers
[09:48] <ttread> ok Chanika I did mine with QtParted.  I don't know ntfsresize
[09:49] <Chanika> Captainbraille: just make sure the user is in the same group as /dev/hdc (or whatever your cdrom device points to)
[09:49] <Chanika> ttread: ah. :) ntfsresize was nice, I'd nevre used it before but everything went smoothly
[09:50] <kingpomba> ttread: Rgr
[09:50] <ttread> good to know Chanika, thanks
[09:50] <Captainbraille> Chanika: I don't have group dev/hdc how do I get that?
[09:50] <Chanika> Captainbraille: not group, device...
[09:51] <Chanika> Captainbraille: go to a console and type this: ls -l /dev/cdrom
[09:51] <Chanika> then tell me what it says
[09:51] <Captainbraille> Chanika: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2006-03-03 23:13 /dev/cdrom -> hdc
[09:51] <Chanika> ok, now this: ls -l /dev/hdc
[09:52] <Captainbraille> Chanika: brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 22, 0 2006-03-03 23:13 /dev/hdc
[09:52] <Chanika> good, I was right, your users need to be in the "cdrom" group :)
[09:52] <maenty> Only way to make a shared partition for Windows and Linux (a partition which both can read/write) is to make a fat16 -partition?
[09:53] <Captainbraille> Okay =) Good, Chanika, how do I do that? =(
[09:53] <maenty> or fat32?
[09:53] <Chanika> maenty: pretty much. unless you get ext drivers for windows
[09:53] <Chanika> Captainbraille: like I said before, with the user manager thing...
[09:54] <Captainbraille> I'm in KUser right now, thats what I'm in =\
[09:54] <kingpomba> can i have it like this Windows- NTFS , Backup windows partition FAT32 ( i think 32 anyway ) and New linux partition Fat32
[09:54] <Chanika> ok, so pick a user to edit...
[09:54] <Captainbraille> okay, I have my user and I clicked edit
[09:55] <Chanika> kingpomba: no, linux will want ext2 or ext3 or reiserfs
[09:55] <kingpomba> ext2.... never heard of it
[09:55] <kingpomba> or any of the other listed for that matter
[09:56] <kingpomba> but kubuntu has a tool that will take care of that right?
[09:57] <Chanika> should do, yeah
[09:57] <_skaman> anybody can indicate me a good launcher?
[09:57] <maenty> kingpomba: I'll do ext3 for linux installation, and maybe fat32 for file storage
[09:57] <maenty> kingpomba: and then NTFS for Windows
[09:57] <Chanika> personally I don't much like the tool in the kubuntu installer, I set up my partitions from knoppix beforehand. but I've done this stuff a zilion times
[09:57] <kingpomba> just out of intrest can linux do something that windows can't
[09:58] <kingpomba> the windows obviously exists
[09:58] <Chanika> kingpomba: you mean like not ever getting viruses? :)
[09:58] <maenty> does knoppix have qtparted ?
[09:58] <Chanika> nevre having spyware?
[09:58] <kingpomba> i know what im doing chanika
[09:58] <kingpomba> hav'ent got a virus or spyware in years
[09:58] <maenty> I have knoppix somewhere.. maybe I could use that first to resize the NTFS
[09:58] <kingpomba> i got SLAX somewhere
[09:58] <Chanika> giving you loads of pretty eye candy right out of the box... way more configuration...
[09:58] <Chanika> bash...
[09:59] <ttread> with LInux you can run your own webserver and development system without spending 1000s of dollars
[09:59] <Chanika> heh, that too
[09:59] <ronaldson40> where do i find the fstab
[09:59] <ronaldson40> config file
[09:59] <Chanika> ronaldson40: /etc/fstab
[09:59] <kingpomba> don't know where  ... i put my linux - slax disc asside cause my usb keyboard did'ent work to change the boot order
[09:59] <kingpomba> im going to buy a really cheap ps2 keyboard
[10:00] <ttread> with Linux you can change your desktop among a half-dozen choices ... like to see Windows do that
[10:00] <Chanika> I hate using windows these days. it feels so *limited*
[10:00] <maenty> ttread: You prefer KDE?
[10:00] <ronaldson40> k
[10:00] <Chanika> I go to do some trivial little thing and then remember 0 no, windows doesn't do that...
[10:00] <ttread> Yep Chanika I hate when I have to use windblows
[10:00] <maenty> btw can anyone say, why KDE is better than Gnome? I've never used Gnome before, but I used KDE back in 2002
[10:00] <Chanika> even with cygwin it's a hassle.
[10:00] <Chanika> well, cygwin itself is a hassle...
[10:01] <ttread> maenty I like both Gnome and KDE, I guess I prefer KDE
[10:01] <skypa^coffee> anyone else tried fireing up katapult while using windows? ^^
[10:01] <Chanika> maenty: lately gnome seems to be horribly cutting back features and configurability in the name of usability, from what I've heard
[10:01] <Chanika> but I haven't actually used it in ages
[10:01] <Chanika> I've always preferred kde. so convenient and pretty.
[10:02] <kingpomba> only got like 28 gig free
[10:02] <kingpomba> how much will linux need
[10:02] <maenty> kingpomba: same here :) 28 gig free here
[10:02] <Chanika> kingpomba: 3gig for a basic install, probably
[10:02] <maenty> kingpomba: I heard you need at least 10gig for the linux isntallation
[10:02] <maenty> kingpomba: or 10gig is recommended
[10:03] <Chanika> kingpomba: of course you'll want more for it to actually be fun
[10:03] <maenty> kingpomba: +500MB for swap
[10:03] <ttread> it depends on how many apps you install
[10:03] <Chanika> iirc my bf's comp has a 3gig linux partition right now. he was really, really short on disk space...
[10:03] <kingpomba> most im probally willing to give up is 15 gig
[10:03] <kingpomba> and thats pushing it
[10:04] <Chanika> kingpomba: I've nevre needed more than that, so long as I don't go on an anime-downloading spree
[10:04] <kingpomba> if i go on a anime downloading spree ill probally do it on windows
[10:04] <kingpomba> i was also thinking of trying the younger distros like mephis
[10:05] <maenty> Is there any way to convert partition from one format to other, without making it empty?
[10:05] <kingpomba> probally not
[10:05] <ttread> maenty, not that I know of
[10:05] <kingpomba> i always thought it would wipe the data clean
[10:05] <maenty> I guess I just have to delete lot's of stuff, so I don't have to do the resizing 10 times
[10:05] <kingpomba> back up all your data then do it
[10:07] <maenty> kingpomba: I have 170 gigs of stuff, and only CDRW-drive
[10:07] <kingpomba> :/
[10:07] <kingpomba> i got a dvd drive but still you would need alot of discs to back that up
[10:07] <maenty> kingpomba: However, if I go thru all the stuff, I might be able to delete at least 20 gigs of unnecessary, which still leaves 150gigs of stuff
[10:08] <kingpomba> you would neeed  36.1702128 4.7 gb dvds
[10:09] <maenty> how many 700MB cds? :)
[10:09] <kingpomba> 242.857143
[10:10] <maenty> that's lots of cds
[10:10] <kingpomba> yes
[10:10] <maenty> I guess I just have to do it with risk
[10:10] <kingpomba> would be easier to buy a external drive at that point
[10:10] <maenty> I'll use knoppix and try to see whether it has any good partition programs
[10:11] <maenty> and burn 650mb of the most important stuff to CDRW
[10:11] <DevGet> I have a avi movie and a subtitle file, and I want to burn it to cd so that I can play it on a dvd-player, how to do that?
[10:12] <kingpomba> you could make it a vcd or svcd i guess
[10:12] <ttread> DevGet, take a look at dvdstyler
[10:12] <kingpomba> if you figure out a way to convert them
[10:14] <frantic> is there a firewall installed by default with 5.10?
[10:14] <frantic> iptables?
[10:14] <Chanika> nah
[10:14] <frantic> you know if ipfw is supported on linux?
[10:14] <kingpomba> can kubuntu play dvds
[10:14] <ttread> frantic, iptables is there but it's not configured to filter anything
[10:14] <Chanika> kingpomba: yes, when you install the right stuff
[10:15] <kingpomba> lol dos'ent anything i want come pre installed
[10:15] <kingpomba> sigh
[10:15] <frantic> thanks ttread, I'm not familiar with the syntax of iptables, would it be easy to add a rule blocking access to port 80 except for a specific ip range?
[10:16] <ttread> frantic, iptables has a learning curve.  There are some GUI tools for configuring it but I haven't tried them
[10:16] <frantic> do you know if i can load ipfw?
[10:17] <ttread> frantic, ipfwadm is in the universe repository
[10:17] <mralexsir> kingpomba - linux was never designed to play films by default - see ubuntuguide.org for full write up
[10:18] <Chanika> kingpomba: it's not like it's hard to install stuff :)
[10:19] <kingpomba> i heard linux uses .rpms or something to install stuff
[10:19] <frantic> ty ttread
[10:19] <Chanika> real distros do not use RPM :P
[10:19] <maenty> kingpomba: apt-get
[10:19] <ttread> frantic, I'm not sure
[10:19] <DevGet> dvdstyler was nice
[10:19] <DevGet> but first I need to convert to mpeg
[10:19] <Chanika> kingpomba: debian-based distros use apt-get. it pretty much does everything for you
[10:19] <maenty> kingpomba: RPMs are for Red Hat
[10:19] <kingpomba> oh ok
[10:20] <Chanika> kingpomba: just go into the package manager gui, search for the package you want, click the install button, preview the changes then commit them :)
[10:21] <mralexsir> anyone know about cubepanel?
[10:21] <kingpomba> im going to need a dvd player program , a im program (msn,irc) , do any of my windows games work without wine? wow , et , source games , and probally something to code c++ and python in
[10:21] <maenty> kingpomba: vlc plays DVDs http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/graphics/vlc
[10:21] <ttread> DevGet, mplayer/mencoder can convert .avi -> .mpg, however the process is a little complicated
[10:22] <Chanika> kingpomba: kubuntu has kopete for IM. there are various proggies for playing videos, music, etc. games could take some effort though
[10:22] <maenty> how to install vlc to Kubuntu? Just typing apt-get install vlc ?
[10:22] <mralexsir> kingpomba - GAIM for IM
[10:23] <Chanika> maenty: sure
[10:23] <ttread> kingpomba, you should have no trouble with any of that except the games
[10:23] <maenty> does Kubuntu come with some Jabber client?
[10:23] <Chanika> maenty: it can also be done from the gui if you like, but when you already know the name, typing's often faster :)
[10:23] <Chanika> maenty: kopete
[10:24] <kingpomba> i heard quake games work on linux
[10:24] <Chanika> kingpomba: I can't remember about that... but I have played ut, and have nwn installed right now
[10:24] <Chanika> and there are plenty of fun linux games out there
[10:24] <maenty> Chanika: perfect. Thanks
[10:25] <kingpomba> yeah like arcade games :/
[10:25] <ttread> maenty, Kopete and Gaim both handle Jabber
[10:25] <kingpomba> im a gamer...so thats one of the reasons im keeping windows
[10:25] <Chanika> speaking of kopete, I must get back to staring at aim packets...
[10:26] <maenty> kingpomba: same here
[10:26] <Chanika> kingpomba: yah, games are still an issue. I've heard cedega is pretty good, but it's been a while since I tried it myself
[10:26] <maenty> kingpomba: but luckily best games also work in Linux (freeciv, old dos games (dosbox) etc
[10:26] <ronaldson40> can i put Gaim in Kubuntu
[10:26] <Chanika> and my games are mostly obscure ones that nobody got working. alothough one has a native linux port, yay :)
[10:26] <maenty> And I guess there is Commondore 64-emulator and Amiga-emulator also for linux
[10:26] <crimsun> ronaldson40: sure
[10:27] <ronaldson40> how do i do that
[10:27] <ronaldson40> Its a RPM file
[10:27] <kingpomba> 18% done
[10:27] <Chanika> ronaldson40: delete the rpm, and install it from apt-get
[10:27] <maenty> Is there amiga-emulator, dosbox, and C64-emulator installable from apt-get?
[10:28] <Chanika> maenty: dosbox certainly
[10:28] <Chanika> it prolly has the others too, but I haven't looked
[10:28] <maenty> Is there some website that I can see list of programs that I can install with apt-get?
[10:28] <crimsun> vice -> c64
[10:28] <maenty> for amd64-version, the dosbox also has to be amd64-version to work?
[10:28] <kingpomba> Hoary is the right one , right?
[10:28] <Chanika> well, debian had a site for that, and kubuntu has most of the same stuff as debian...
[10:29] <ttread> maenty, all of them are there
[10:29] <crimsun> uae -> amiga
[10:29] <Chanika> maenty: why not just install it and see? :)
[10:29] <crimsun> http://packages.ubuntu.com
[10:29] <crimsun> may I also introduce you to apt-cache search?
[10:29] <maenty> Chanika: Because I'm still in the middle of decision, whether to use amd64 version or not..
[10:29] <Chanika> ahh.
[10:29] <maenty> Chanika: Trying to determine if it will cause too many problems.. Would everything be easier if I just install i386-version
[10:30] <crimsun> some things would be easier, yes
[10:30] <ronaldson40> k
[10:30] <maenty> crimsun: it is a search I can do in the Linux to look for apt-packets?
[10:30] <crimsun> maenty: apt-cache search, yes
[10:30] <ttread> maenty, if you're new to linux I'd suggest the 32-bit version, you will have less complications
[10:30] <crimsun> maenty: I gave you the URL for the Web front end
[10:31] <maenty> ttread: I used to have linux as my only OS in 2002. One day I just decided I won't use Windows anymore, installed Red Hat as my only operating system.. Never used Linux before :)
[10:31] <maenty> ttread: So I learnt something during that half a year Linux was my only OS. Had lot's of problems installing some program, because of dependencies
[10:32] <ronaldson40> crimsun i am doin it throu adept
[10:32] <maenty> crimsun: thanks, I opened it now
[10:32] <Chanika> maenty: ah yes, dependency hell...
[10:32] <ttread> maenty, cool.   I started on RH8 myself
[10:32] <Chanika> that's why I don't use rpm distros
[10:32] <ronaldson40> What is Katapult for??
[10:32] <ronaldson40> It is just sitting on my taskbar
[10:33] <kingpomba> what would you say was the best distro after kubuntu
[10:34] <maenty> Having my previous my experience, I think I'll really like this apt-get
[10:34] <maenty> Is it so, that if I install vlc with apt-get install vlc, it will get all necessary packets to make it work?
[10:34] <maenty> And if I have amd64, it will automatically get amd64-version of the vlc and all other necessary packets to make it work?
[10:35] <maenty> kingpomba: Ubuntu? ;)
[10:35] <ttread> maenty, yes that's the way it works.
[10:35] <kingpomba> ... you can't say ubuntu
[10:35] <mralexsir> I've got two installs on the go
[10:35] <mralexsir> Kbuntu on my laptop for the wireless capability
[10:36] <mralexsir> and Fedora Core 3 on a  desktop I'm hoping to turn into a web server
[10:36] <maenty> kingpomba: When I made decision some weeks ago to start using Linux again, I first had 6 choises: Gentoo, Debian, SUSE, Ubuntu and Fedora Core.. then I started asking and searching info about them
[10:36] <ronaldson40> Fedora would be the next best distro
[10:36] <maenty> kingpomba: in the end, my choices where SUSE and Kubuntu
[10:36] <ttread> "Best" really depends on what the intended use is
[10:37] <maenty> kingpomba: Mandriva was also in the list
[10:37] <Tonio_> lo
[10:37] <kingpomba> yeah i was choosing between
[10:37] <kingpomba> Mandrivia , Suse , Mehpis , Kubuntu
[10:37] <Chanika> gentoo rocks :)
[10:38] <maenty> kingpomba: I based my choices in the fact that I've been Windows user for a long time and I don't want to get into dependency-hell that I got in before
[10:38] <Chanika> but it's not exactly a newbie distro
[10:38] <maenty> Yap that's what I've heard too. For very experienced user, Gentoo might be the best
[10:39] <Chanika> I use gentoo for myself, and give kubuntu to friends
[10:39] <kingpomba> whats the advantage of gentoo
[10:39] <Chanika> kingpomba: lots and lots of control
[10:39] <maenty> kingpomba: Gentoo apparently makes all the stuff from sources to fit exactly to your PC, while installing
[10:40] <maenty> kingpomba: Or at least most of the stuff
[10:40] <Chanika> plus a bit of extra speed, at the expense of compiling everything from source
[10:40] <ronaldson40> Anyway wats so different abt SUSE
[10:40] <ttread> with Gentoo you configure everything yourself and learn a lot in the process
[10:40] <Chanika> suse is owned by novell, for one
[10:40] <maenty> SUSE is bought by Novell
[10:40] <maenty> However, they do have the opensuse nowadays
[10:41] <ronaldson40> Why is SUSE more userfriendly?
[10:41] <kingpomba> it is
[10:41] <kingpomba> ...
[10:41] <ttread> suse is nice, very complete, kind of bloated though
[10:41] <Chanika> ronaldson40: novell puts effort into polishing it?
[10:42] <ronaldson40> can i see some screenshots of SUSE
[10:42] <kingpomba> google is your friend
[10:42] <ronaldson40> k
[10:42] <Chanika> ronaldson40: there are plenty of them online
[10:42] <maenty> ronaldson40: I guess SUSE can look like anything, like any other distro too
[10:43] <Chanika> maenty: heh, good point :)
[10:43] <mralexsir> Changing the subject
[10:43] <Chanika> although I think it uses gnome by default
[10:43] <mralexsir> KDE or GNOME?
[10:43] <mralexsir> I've got one machine running 1 and this one running KDE
[10:43] <Chanika> mralexsir: well, this is *K*ubuntu
[10:43] <mralexsir> I only move to *K*ubuntu (:P) because I didnt like ht brown theme of Ubuntu
[10:44] <mralexsir> and it was too much like hard work to change it all
[10:44] <maenty> mralexsir:  go to #ubuntu and ask why GNOME is better ? :)
[10:44] <Chanika> kde makes it nice and easy to prettify things :)
[10:44] <mralexsir> I prefer it cos its got the start button in the right place
[10:44] <ronaldson40> nowdays when i search on google, i get a "403 Forbidden" and I need to enter the confirmation code... does anyone get that
[10:44] <maenty> mralexsir: take GNOME if you want it simple, and KDE if you want to have more configurability
[10:44] <mralexsir> I know thats not the attitude
[10:45] <mralexsir> yeah I did feel kinda wrapped up in gnome too
[10:45] <mralexsir> goddam slowass downloads
[10:46] <maenty> when I first install Kubuntu, should I do "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade" ?
[10:46] <mralexsir> upgrade
[10:46] <maenty> or even "apt-get dist-upgrade" or something?
[10:46] <ttread> maenty, update then upgrade
[10:47] <maenty> ttread: It will update all of the programs?
[10:47] <mralexsir> I thought upgrade did update as part of it?
[10:48] <mralexsir> update makes sure you've got the full package lists
[10:48] <mralexsir> or so I though
[10:48] <ttread> mralexsir, I have seen it written to do both
[10:48] <mralexsir> t
[10:48] <mralexsir> I was going to say - I ran upgrade and it update and installed about 500+ apps
[10:49] <Chanika> maenty: or you can go into the pakage manager (adept?) and click buttons to upgrade :)
[10:49] <ttread> maenty, it will update all the programs, yes, although with ubuntu/kubuntu the standard repositories only upgrade for security patches
[10:49] <Chanika> maenty: oh yeah, you'll probably want the universe and multiverse sources
[10:49] <luisito> mralexsir: I have done a brown Color Scheme in Kubuntu that looks much more better than the ubuntu human.
[10:50] <kingpomba> are we breezy or hoary i keep forggeting
[10:50] <maenty> Chanika: what are those?
[10:51] <ttread> breezy here
[10:51] <Chanika> maenty: repositories with more stuff you'll probably want. iirc they have stuff like mp3 and flash
[10:51] <luisito> in fact... http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=35733
[10:51] <kingpomba> wait what is the latest version of kubuntu called
[10:51] <kingpomba> breezy?
[10:52] <Chanika> dapper drake, I think...
[10:52] <Chanika> that one is still unstable, right?
[10:52] <ttread> the latest stable release is breezy
[10:52] <kingpomba> version 5.10
[10:52] <Chanika> and breezy is stable
[10:52] <ttread> breezy = 5.10
[10:52] <kingpomba> oh ok
[10:53] <maenty> Do I need to change sources if I install amd64-version?
[10:54] <maenty> I just read in other channel that Kubuntu has stuff like GAIM, GIMP, nautilus (scp program) in default package.. so it means those should be included in amd64-version
[10:54] <Heinkel> good morning :)
[10:55] <ttread> maenty, Ubuntu has all those programs.  Kubuntu has parallel apps that do same functions
[10:55] <Chanika> maenty: why not just try it? :) you can always delete stuff later if it doesn't work out
[10:56] <Heinkel> can someone recommend a program for restructuring ntfs partitions on a harddisk?
[10:56] <ttread> maenty, the repositories are configured for AMD 64 and all the same apps are there.  Actually I don't know how it knows to get the 64-bit versions because I can't see any difference in the configuration.  Anyway, all the apps work
[10:56] <Heinkel> i need to physically move data so I can make a new partition decent size
[10:56] <Chanika> ntfsresize?
[10:56] <maenty> ttread: okay. I think i'll get the amd64-version
[10:57] <Heinkel> can i run that from the kubuntu 5.10 live cd?
[10:57] <maenty> ttread: with VLC, it should be possible to play .wmv and quicktime movies too
[10:57] <maenty> ttread: http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/graphics/vlc
[10:57] <Heinkel> can i run ntfsresize from the kubuntu 5.10 live cd?
[10:57] <ttread> maenty, I haven't tried VLC yet but intend to
[10:57] <Chanika> Heinkel: dunno. try it.
[10:58] <Chanika> Heinkel: I know it's on knoppix
[10:58] <Heinkel> ah, i am going to try that then
[10:58] <maenty> ttread: How about the codecs? The famous win32codecs do not work with amd64, so probably vlc won't play anything..
[10:58] <Heinkel> i have knoppix 4 lying around here
[10:58] <Heinkel> somewhere *looks at piles of shit on dekstop*
[10:58] <ttread> maenty, don't know the answer to that question
[10:59] <Heinkel> thank you for advice, Chanika
[10:59] <Chanika> :)
[10:59] <kingpomba> any decent games for linux
[11:00] <ttread> kingpomba, I know people who have run Doom/Quake on Linux and it runs well
[11:00] <Chanika> kingpomba: google is your friend
[11:00] <Chanika> there are various linux gaming sites I've forgotten the names of
[11:00] <kingpomba> i have tryed google
[11:01] <maenty> So basically, when I use Kubuntu, I don't need to download / install any programs separatedly, or compile, because I can get most of the stuff using apt-get?
[11:02] <ttread> maenty, most stuff, yes
[11:03] <mralexsir> Open Office or KOffice?
[11:04] <kingpomba> i've only used open office
[11:04] <mralexsir> yeah me too
[11:04] <kingpomba> i like it's graphics and presentation program
[11:04] <mralexsir> I was just reading the banner that says KOffice 1.5 now out
[11:04] <ttread> late, I'm going to bed... nite all
[11:04] <Chanika> metoo
[11:04] <mralexsir> where are you based?
[11:04] <mralexsir> Ir's 1000 here :D
[11:04] <SleepingChani> it's 2am
[11:04] <ttread> 02:05 here
[11:05] <mralexsir> rofl :D
[11:05] <kingpomba> 9:05pm/21:04
[11:06] <kingpomba> im aussie
[11:06] <maenty> 12:10 here
[11:06] <kingpomba> man it's so hot
[11:07] <kingpomba> i hate summer
[11:07] <kingpomba> i got sun burnt on my neck the other day because i forgot to put sunscreen there
[11:08] <ronaldson40> How do i change my log in screen
[11:08] <maenty> root? :)
[11:08] <maenty> some channels kick you out for that
[11:10] <ronaldson40> so is it possible to change my login screen in kubuntu
[11:13] <kingpomba> yes ronald
[11:13] <ronaldson40> how?
[11:13] <kingpomba> http://www.kde-look.org/ check it out there
[11:13] <maenty> By the way, don't apt-get update + apt-get upgrade automatically update the KDE also to KDE 3.5.1?
[11:14] <kingpomba> splash screen or something
[11:14] <ronaldson40> k
[11:17] <pulver> i'm having problem with the splash image on my 1280x800 display.. copied Background-1280x800 to Background.jpg, changed BaseResolution in Theme.rc to 1280x800, cleared ksplash cache, but when testing it doesn't scale right, height is like 80% and a big black border below =/ any ideas?
[11:17] <jpatrick> pulver: known bug
[11:17] <pulver> jpatrick: it is? is there a fix?
[11:17] <jpatrick> no
[11:17] <rysiek|pl> hi there guys
[11:18] <pulver> jpatrick: ok thanks for the info :)
[11:18] <jpatrick> we discussed it for ages in the devel channel
[11:18] <pulver> oh ok
[11:18] <rysiek|pl> jpatrick: what have you been discussing?
[11:18] <jpatrick> bug in ksplash-engine-moodin with backgrounds
[11:19] <rysiek|pl> ah
[11:21] <rysiek|pl> does anybody have an idea how to make the GIMP make an indexed palette, where certain indexes are set-up by the user, and the rest is generated ("generate best")?
[11:22] <rysiek|pl> trying to make USplash fit into my graphical theme, and need to set the font colours right ;)
[11:26] <rysiek|pl> anybody? man, where *do* those usplash-devs lurk?..
[11:27] <maenty> does GIMP work in KDE?
[11:27] <rysiek|pl> maenty: yep, like a charm
[11:27] <rysiek|pl> it uses Gtk2, so it works everywhere, where Gtk2 works
[11:27] <jpatrick> maenty: Krita++
[11:27] <maenty> rysiek|pl: Did it come with kubuntu by default?
[11:27] <jpatrick> maenty: no
[11:28] <maenty> jpatrick: Krita is the main graphics editor in KDE?
[11:28] <maenty> jpatrick: is it as good as GIMP? same functionality?
[11:28] <dumkopf> Yeah, Krita is the graphics editing package that comes with Kubuntu
[11:28] <jpatrick> No, it's part of KOffice and is default in Kubuntu
[11:29] <maenty> I'm currently using GIMP in windows, and I'd like to get the same or at least program with same functionality in Kubuntu
[11:29] <dumkopf> just apt-get install gimp, then
[11:29] <jpatrick> Krita's like Photoshop
[11:29] <dumkopf> there's no reason you can't have it
[11:30] <maenty> roger that, dumkopf
[11:30] <maenty> I might try the Krita first
[11:30] <maenty> if Krita offers me everything I need, I might not install GIMP at all
[11:31] <dumkopf> all comes down to personal preference, i suppose
[11:31] <jpatrick> as always
[11:31] <dumkopf> both packages are comparable in power and usability, it's just their organization and presentation that is different
[11:33] <Enlight_uni> Hi! Guys, Its my first use of kubuntu (and any distro using apt-get or a front-end) and I was wondering wich package do the acx_pci driver belong to?
[11:33] <mdke> hi. Can somebody tell me how to install kubuntu on dapper at the moment. kubuntu-desktop is uninstallable
[11:33] <dumkopf> mdke: the kubuntu dapper install CD, perhaps?
[11:34] <mdke> dumkopf, there must be another way
[11:34] <dumkopf> mdke: or are you interested in using KDE as your desktop on a running vanilla Ubuntu install?
[11:34] <jpatrick> can you pastebin the problem?
[11:34] <mdke> jpatrick, no need:   kubuntu-desktop: Depends: openoffice.org2-kde
[11:34] <rysiek|pl> Enlight_uni: sudo apt-cache search acx_pci :)
[11:34] <mdke> dumkopf, i don't know about vanilla, but yes, on an ubuntu install
[11:35] <jpatrick> argg they updated the openoffice packages...
[11:35] <mdke> jpatrick, i'm sure there is a way round this, but I'm not so good with dpkg/apt
[11:35] <dumkopf> mdke: Add your extra repos, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade, and then try?
[11:35] <mdke> dumkopf, which extra repos?
[11:35] <zulqar> hi
[11:35] <dumkopf> mdke: multiverse and backports
[11:35] <rysiek|pl> hello
[11:35] <noteventime> 'ello
[11:35] <mdke> dumkopf, kubuntu is in Main though...
[11:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> dumkopf: shouldnt need to
[11:35] <zulqar> is there real way to see vcd cd :(
[11:35] <zulqar> ?
[11:36] <jpatrick> dumkopf: he's on Dapper there are no backports
[11:36] <rysiek|pl> !restricted
[11:36] <ubotu> hmm... restricted is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed here can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[11:36] <noteventime> rysiek|pl: Thanks again for yesterday :)
[11:36] <nxv_> hi, a friend showed me xgl on his gentoo machine. will xgl be in the dapper release? is there an easy way to activate it at the moment?
[11:36] <zulqar> i download win32 code from website
[11:36] <Enlight_uni> rysiek|pl: well I don't know if it does the same thing but Adept's filter is unable to find anything acx related
[11:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> mdke: try just installing openoffice.org2-KDE and see what the error is
[11:36] <rysiek|pl> noteventime: no problem :) fighting hard with usplash now
[11:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> track the problem to it's source
[11:36] <zulqar> and place into /usr/lib/win32
[11:36] <noteventime> nxv_: Yes, Xgl is quite easy
[11:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> nxv_: it will not be in dapper though
[11:36] <noteventime> nxv_: And availible on dapper drake repositrys
[11:36] <jpatrick> mdke: apt-get install kde
[11:37] <zulqar> but still kaffine say plugin not found
[11:37] <zulqar> ?
[11:37] <mdke> Kamping_Kaiser, it is removing most of openoffice
[11:37] <dumkopf> jpatrick: yar.  i add them as a reflex, i guess.
[11:37] <rysiek|pl> zulqar: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[11:37] <noteventime> Dapper has a backports repa :O
[11:37] <rysiek|pl> that should help you
[11:37] <Enlight_uni> rysiek|pl: yep, no answer!
[11:37] <jpatrick> mdke: and kubuntu-default-settings
[11:37] <mdke> jpatrick, there is no "kde" package
[11:37] <noteventime> kubuntu-desktop
[11:37] <dumkopf> mdke: kubuntu-desktop
[11:37] <rysiek|pl> Enlight_uni: hmmm... what is this acx_pci anyway?
[11:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> mdke: i recal seeming something about thta on the list (Kubuntu user upgrading), IIRC there was supposed to be a fixed package making itswasy through the system
[11:37] <mdke> dumkopf, that's where we started from. it is uninstallable!
[11:37] <rysiek|pl> it might not be in the repos
[11:37] <noteventime> rysiek|pl: I've gotten a blue screen with uslash
[11:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> mdke: IIRC there was a binary pacakge repo. give me a minute or 5 to look
[11:38] <mdke> grumph
[11:38] <dumkopf> mdke: why?  no installation candidate?  unmeetable dependency?
[11:38] <noteventime> rysiek|pl: It's supposed to be the same image as yesterday
[11:38] <nxv_> noteventime: i have installed the xserver-xgl, how can i activate it?
[11:38] <mdke> dumkopf, yes, I pasted it. openoffice.org2-kde
[11:38] <noteventime> nx_: YOu
[11:38] <Enlight_uni> rysiek|pl: an external module for the kernel adding support for TI chipset based wifi cards
[11:38] <noteventime> nx_: You can run it in a window
[11:38] <noteventime> nx_: What GPU vendor?
[11:38] <rysiek|pl> noteventime: I got the image all right, but on the default vga16fb framebufer - and I want to have 1024x768 console
[11:39] <rysiek|pl> Enlight_uni: ok, let's try installing from sources, then :)
[11:39] <rysiek|pl> as I said, might not be in the repos
[11:39] <noteventime> rysiek|pl: Ok, what is the 640x480  image specs, also 14colors?
[11:39] <nxv_> noteventime: ati
[11:39] <rysiek|pl> nope, gimme a sec
[11:39] <rysiek|pl> !usplash
[11:39] <ubotu> somebody said usplash was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/USplashCustomizationHowto
[11:39] <dumkopf> KDE integration for OpenOffice.org.  hm.
[11:39] <rysiek|pl> noteventime: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/USplashCustomizationHowto
[11:39] <dumkopf> mdke: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[11:40] <noteventime> nx_: sudo Xgl :1 -ac -accel xgl:pbuffer -accel vx:pbuffer
[11:40] <mdke> dumkopf, it is main and restricted
[11:40] <rysiek|pl> I would add something to it, but a little later, when I actually test it and have it working ;)
[11:40] <noteventime> rysiek|pl: I've done that guide :D
[11:40] <mdke> dumkopf, and source for those too
[11:40] <dumkopf> mdke: i can almost guarantee that your problem is there, if apt can't find it.  i'm running Dapper and it's in my cache
[11:40] <zulqar> thank you will download and try
[11:40] <rysiek|pl> Enlight_uni: do you have the webpage for this software
[11:40] <mdke> dumkopf, it is not that it isn't available, it is that the dependencies are broken
[11:41] <noteventime> nx_: That should give you a grayish looking window
[11:41] <rysiek|pl> noteventime: yep, me too. and then I understood it lacks a few things - and then, I got it to work on the default framebuffer :)
[11:41] <noteventime> ok
[11:41] <nxv_> noteventime: yes it does, and how can i start something in there?
[11:41] <dumkopf> mdke: what happens when you try to install OpenOffice.org2-kde ?
[11:41] <mdke> dumkopf, dist-upgrade and you will probably see that openoffice.org2 get's removed
[11:41] <noteventime> nxv_: In a new console write DISPLAY=:1 startkde
[11:42] <Enlight_uni> not at this time, but it must be a package installed on the install cd 'cause this one installed it, but I just can't find the name of the package.
[11:42] <Enlight_uni> rysiek|pl: it's not a big deal, I'll look later, I 've got to go ++
[11:42] <rysiek|pl> Enlight_uni: ok, cu later then :)
[11:43] <nxv_> noteventime: something is starting, i am excited :)
[11:43] <noteventime> nxv__: :D
[11:44] <kingpomba> what version of KDE comes with 5.10
[11:44] <noteventime> nxv_: :D
[11:44] <noteventime> kingpomba: 3.4 i think
[11:44] <noteventime> nxv_: Has KDE started yet?
[11:45] <nxv_> noteventime: yes, but icons of the windows come very slow and most of them remain black
[11:45] <noteventime> nxv_: Do you have the binary ATI drivers?
[11:46] <noteventime> nxv_: Anyway, do you have compiz installed?
[11:46] <nxv_> noteventime: hm, i have installed a long time ago :) fglrxinfo looks for me like ati driver
[11:47] <nxv_> noteventime: no, had not, i am installing it now
[11:47] <kingpomba> woot 25% of the way there
[11:48] <noteventime> nxv_:Ok, tell me when compiz is finished :)
[11:49] <nxv_> noteventime: my father called me. he needs my help, so i have to go. just one last question. is it yet possible to use xgl as the default xserver?
[11:50] <noteventime> nxv_: Yes, but i wouldn't recommend it if your on an ATI card
[11:50] <rysiek|pl> gotta get one of them nVidias at last...
[11:50] <nxv_> noteventime: okay perhaps when my desktop is running again i can use it there. it has an nvidia. thx for the information
[11:51] <nxv_> ill come back to learn some more about what is possible at the moment in kubuntu
[11:51] <nxv_> cu
[11:51] <noteventime> nxv_: Np ATi might come with some better drivers soon
[11:51] <noteventime> bye :D
[11:52] <noteventime> rysiek|pl: You wouldn't know if there is some kind of kill application applet in KDE, there is onein gnome
[11:53] <kingpomba> heh i like this splash screen http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=11098
[11:53] <kingpomba> only 75% more to go before the dvd version of kubuntu is done
[11:53] <noteventime> nice
[11:54] <noteventime> Is there a pdf editor for Linux, like acrobat?
[11:54] <rysiek|pl> as for the kill app, I always use kill from console ;)
[11:54] <kingpomba> not sure if their a editor
[11:54] <kingpomba> theres a reader
[11:54] <noteventime> i know
[11:54] <rysiek|pl> there's a pdf_printer :)
[11:55] <noteventime> And openoffice has builtin exporter
[11:55] <rysiek|pl> yep
[11:55] <noteventime> KPDF rules, it's muuuuuuuch better then Adobe reader
[11:55] <noteventime> I'l try scribus
[11:57] <rysiek|pl> gone testing usplash. brb
[12:01] <kingpomba> would kubuntu make a decent appche server
[12:03] <noteventime> kingpomba: sure
[12:03] <noteventime> kingpomba: There is a server version of ubuntu
[12:10] <linuxboyfriend> hi all
[12:10] <linuxboyfriend> is there any frontend for wvdial?
[12:12] <Lure> linuxboyfriend: isn't kppp for that?
[12:13] <curuxz> hey all
[12:14] <curuxz> can anyone give me a quick peice of advice on xorg.conf please
[12:14] <curuxz> i want to know how to increase the gama level on a certain monitor (or all if you cant select juse one)
[12:14] <curuxz> anyone know what i should do?
[12:14] <linuxboyfriend> Lure: i think so but i dont know why kppp is not working well and wvdial is perfectly working ?)
[12:17] <Hobbsee> curuxz: i think you can do that in system settings
[12:19] <curuxz> realy i thought it was controled in the xorg file :S
[12:19] <curuxz> ill try it when im back in KDE
[12:20] <Hobbsee> system settings, display, IIRC, should be the gui frontend for controlling that
[12:20] <curuxz> im still doing package updates, since i had to reinstall ubuntu because i have changed the drives around, installed 2 sound cards for audio editing reasons and pluged in 3 monitors across 3 graphics cards......hate reinstalling, but had to for all that
[12:20] <curuxz> thanks :)
[12:21] <rysiek|pl> I'm back
[12:22] <rysiek|pl> anybody has an idea why dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r) does *not* use mkinitrd.conf to make the new initrd.img?
[12:24] <curuxz> dont know maybe its looking to another copy of that file
[12:24] <curuxz> i seem to remember from my days of playing in gentoo you had to change symlinks when recompiling kernels
[12:24] <rysiek|pl> I have only one copy of that file
[12:25] <simone> hi everybody... any of you using Umbrello (UML design)?
[12:25] <rysiek|pl> dpkg-reconfigure does the symlinks by itsels (I mean the initrd and vmlinuz symlinks)
[12:25] <curuxz> odd, have you looked on the forums at the kernel howtos?
[12:25] <rysiek|pl> nope. I thought it's (K)Ubuntu-specific problem
[12:26] <rysiek|pl> my Debian-friend hasn't got that issue
[12:27] <curuxz> have you installed all the header packages and source packages
[12:27] <curuxz> maybe something is missing
[12:28] <rysiek|pl> I can do a new image without any problems with mkinitrd (then it uses the conf file), but I would like to have the proper scripts run
[12:28] <rysiek|pl> so I'd prefer the dpkg-reconfigure way
[12:29] <rysiek|pl> besides - when I do it with mkinitrd I get the RESUME option right, and the modles I would like to have in initrd, but I don't get the usplash. If I use dpkg-reconfigure - it's the other way around.
[12:29] <_oliver> hi
[12:29] <rysiek|pl> 'ello
[12:30] <_oliver> anyone able to tell me why i can't switch to admin mode anymore? whenever i click "administrator mode" the red frame appears - then dissappears and nothing happend
[12:30] <rysiek|pl> what verion of Kubuntu are you running?
[12:30] <rysiek|pl> *version
[12:30] <_oliver> 5.10 afaik
[12:31] <rysiek|pl> I got this bug too. I *think* it might be repaired in Dapper
[12:31] <rysiek|pl> what you need to configure, maybe we can do it with editing the conf files
[12:31] <_oliver> anyway to fix it? because i can't work with it like this
[12:31] <_oliver> a lot of things, network settings, partitions (swap esp.)
[12:32] <_oliver> It worked in the first sessions though- when I rebooted it refused to work
[12:32] <_oliver> not even the password window shows up any longer
[12:32] <rysiek|pl> d'oh
[12:32] <rysiek|pl> frankly - I don't know how to fix that
[12:32] <rysiek|pl> but I can help you with editing the config files
[12:33] <Hobbsee> _oliver: use kdesu kcontrol
[12:33] <rysiek|pl> so that you can do the configuration without the wizards
[12:33] <_oliver> kdesu kcontrol is found where exactly?
[12:33] <rysiek|pl> input it in console
[12:33] <_oliver> k
[12:33] <rysiek|pl> !kdesu
[12:33] <ubotu> methinks kdesu is :Use kdesu to run applications with root priveleges, when you  have to. Do *not* do sudo {GUIAPP}; you can muck up your permissions and the config files.   If it is not working, you may need to run "sudo adept-updater "
[12:34] <noteventime> !kdesu adept
[12:34] <ubotu> noteventime: NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[12:34] <noteventime> :P
[12:34] <_oliver> !kcontrol
[12:34] <ubotu> Some people juggle geese. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, _oliver
[12:34] <Evil_H> !xine
[12:34] <ubotu> parse error: Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Evil_H
[12:35] <noteventime> !gstreamer
[12:35] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, noteventime
[12:35] <noteventime> !kubuntu
[12:35] <ubotu> well, kubuntu is Ubuntu+KDE, (not a fork) ; see http://kubuntu.org and you can go to #kubuntu for KDE-related help, or install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/breezy/
[12:35] <Evil_H> does the xine engine for amarok play WMA files?
[12:35] <_oliver> kcontrol leaves me with exactly the same problem and kdesu ain't working
[12:35] <noteventime> With w32codecs i think
[12:35] <noteventime> !ubuntu
[12:35] <ubotu> ubuntu is, like, an easy-to-use GNU/Linux desktop distro based on Debian.  http://ubuntu.com http://ubuntuforums.org http://wiki.ubuntu.com. It's Bantu for 'Humanity to others'. see !awards.
[12:36] <Evil_H> hmm. then something isnt set right somewhere
[12:36] <noteventime> !w32codecs
[12:36] <ubotu> from memory, w32codecs is a compilation of binary win32 A/V codecs for many popular proprietary formats not currently supported by free implementations under linux. See http://tinyurl.com/e4a5s to install
[12:36] <rysiek|pl> _oliver - works for me (Kubuntu 5.10)
[12:36] <noteventime> !ubotu
[12:36] <ubotu> Yep, that's me! I'm a bot alright. Read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage to find out how to use me. Do NOT play with me in any channel except #debian-bots.
[12:36] <Evil_H> i got the w32codecs
[12:36] <noteventime> Ops ^^
[12:36] <systempie> Hi there, i've just installed breezy, all works fine, but have some difficulties on installing my network connected HP officejet 7310, searched for help and found that i should use cups with a uri that is produced with hp-makeuri but that does'nt work out, has somebody ideas, thanx
[12:37] <Hobbsee> !botabuse
[12:37] <ubotu> You can play with me in /msg or #debian-bots without being banned.
[12:37] <Hobbsee> noteventime: hmmm?  you want !kops, if you want to call for ops
[12:37] <noteventime> no, it was an wops
[12:37] <Hobbsee> ah
[12:37] <noteventime> like "o no sorry"
[12:38] <Evil_H> !restricted formats
[12:38] <ubotu> I guess restricted formats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs'
[12:39] <noteventime> Is anyone more than me running aiglx?
[12:39] <JohnFlux> noteventime: maybe the developer of it is
[12:39] <JohnFlux> noteventime: :-)
[12:39] <noteventime> haha
[12:40] <noteventime> aiglx is a lot more stable than xgl
[12:40] <kingpomba> i heard it works on kubuntu but i can't find the link http://www.xchat.org/download/ .... could i compile the source for it?
[12:40] <Evil_H> !wma
[12:40] <ubotu> I heard restricted is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed here can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[12:42] <_oliver> 1 More question, what should be the default settings for the standard llinux partition under the Disk & filessystem tab (like mountpoint, device, mode etc.)
[12:43] <JohnFlux> !dapper
[12:43] <ubotu> I heard dapper is the pre-release name for next edition of Ubuntu, release name 6.04. Due 20th April. It is Development Software - May Break! > /join #ubuntu+1 for IRC Use  http://tinyurl.com/rtgxo for easy updates
[12:43] <noteventime> _oliver: Do you by srandard mean ext3?
[12:44] <noteventime> _oliver: Ext3 is standard in (K)ubuntu
[12:44] <_oliver> ok
[12:44] <_oliver> ty
[12:47] <jarlath> Is it possible to make a videoCD from an avi file? Also, is there an easy way to do it?
[12:48] <JohnFlux> jarlath: man mencoder
[12:49] <jarlath> thanks JohnFlux
[12:50] <jarlath> Just checked adept for mencoder and also found a frontend called 'acidrip'. Could be good! :)
[12:57] <pulver> how do u save kmix settings so it chooses the right mixer 'main channel' at login?
[01:00] <rysiek|pl> aaaaargh! dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r) uses mkinitramfs, not mkinitrd :]
[01:06] <_jim> have they released an offical release date for Dapper yet?
[01:06] <rysiek|pl> !dapper
[01:06] <ubotu> I heard dapper is the pre-release name for next edition of Ubuntu, release name 6.04. Due 20th April. It is Development Software - May Break! > /join #ubuntu+1 for IRC Use  http://tinyurl.com/rtgxo for easy updates
[01:07] <rysiek|pl> ubotu tell _jim about dapper
[01:10] <Evil_H> how do you get amarok to recognize and play WMA? I got the xine, gstreamer and arts engines and w32codes
[01:10] <noteventime> Is somehone here profitient with festival?
[01:11] <noteventime> Evil_H: I think you are only able to play old versions of WMA :(
[01:11] <Evil_H> its not playing any WMA
[01:11] <Evil_H> and i had it working on my other laptop before it died
[01:12] <noteventime> ok
[01:12] <noteventime> !wma
[01:12] <ubotu> [restricted]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed here can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[01:12] <noteventime> Maybe
[01:12] <pulver> uhm installed some gnome libs by mistake before.. now the adept notifier update thingy wants to remove my kubuntu-desktop !! huh?
[01:12] <Evil_H> been there already
[01:12] <noteventime> ok
[01:12] <Evil_H> i have all the plugins and files i need
[01:12] <Evil_H> just a setting i cant remember
[01:15] <pulver> Changes OK, Commit self destruct? no thanks...
[01:37] <_elena> fg
[01:43] <Evil_H> why cant i add wma tracks to my amarok collection?
[01:46] <luite> does anyone use dapper with a intel e/1000 nic? the latest kernel gives me a very unstable connection
[01:46] <luite> oops
[01:46] <luite> that was meant to go in #ubuntu+1
[01:46] <Stuffor> Hello!
[01:47] <Stuffor> Does anybode know a console-based MP3-Player like mp3blaster, but with ALSA-Support?
[01:51] <callie> anyone here able to help me with a little HTML code ?
[01:52] <callie> bit off topic i know
[01:52] <Hobbsee> callie: possibly, what did you want to know?
[01:52] <Hobbsee> it's been a long time since i've done anythign with html
[01:52] <callie> i just need to know how to make jpeg link to a webpage
[01:53] <callie> so its clickable Hobbsee
[01:53] <callie> i know so little html is appauling
[01:54] <Hobbsee> callie: should be close to: <a href="/path/to/link"><img src="/path/to/image"></a>
[01:55] <callie> i was so close!
[01:55] <callie> thanks Hobbsee !
[01:55] <Hobbsee> no problems :)
[02:01] <sirblue> any of you guys happen to know a guide for the ndiswrapper that actually works? chip is broadcom 43xx (gotta love it...)
[02:03] <Hobbsee> !ndiswrapper
[02:03] <ubotu> hmm... ndiswrapper is a way to support Windows wireless drivers, but it is buggy compared to native support. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper
[02:03] <Hobbsee> that one works pretty well sirblue
[02:12] <zimon> hello guys
[02:12] <Hobbsee> hey zimon
[02:13] <zimon> i've just finnished isstall kubuntu 5.10 ... nice job there
[02:13] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:14] <zimon> does anybody tried to install enlightement ?
[02:15] <Lure> zimon: someone is looking into this
[02:15] <Lure> see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ebuntu
[02:15] <Lure> Kubuntu is KDE
[02:15] <zimon> yes
[02:16] <zimon> but which of them do you think is better ?
[02:16] <Lure> it is personal choice I think
[02:16] <fabim> that unofficial kubuntu FAQ , that's for hoary right?
[02:17] <zimon> I mean ... elightement is it stable ... can you run kde applications in it ?
[02:17] <Lure> fabim: yes, it is a bit outdated, bot lots of thing are still valid
[02:17] <Lure> zimon: I do not see a reason why the could not run
[02:18] <patrix> enlightenmnet is a window manager
[02:18] <patrix> (and a few more things)
[02:18] <patrix> there's no reason for KDE apps to not run with it
[02:18] <zimon> ok
[02:18] <zimon> 10x for answering to my stupid questions ;)
[02:18] <patrix> sometimes some applications behave a bit weirdly when running outside of the KDE environment itself
[02:19] <zimon> then i stick to kde
[02:19] <patrix> because they expect this or that feature from Kwin
[02:19] <patrix> or they expect the systray
[02:19] <patrix> etc
[02:19] <patrix> nothing major
[02:19] <patrix> from my experience anyway :P
[02:19] <zimon> one more question
[02:19] <zimon> actually 2 of them
[02:19] <zimon> ATI and cedega or wine ?
[02:19] <io_error> Hi
[02:19] <sirblue> thanks hobsee & ubotu
[02:20] <patrix> zimon: not sure what's your question, what's the relation between ATI and wine/cedega ?
[02:20] <zimon> if I isntall the oficial ati driver from www.ati.com can I emulate 3d games with cedecga ?
[02:21] <io_error> needs the kubuntu team some help in programming or Database management?
[02:21] <patrix> zimon: I have no idea, the ATI drivers are X Window drivers, and wine displays stuff using X-Window, so it should help, afaik
[02:22] <zimon> well ... i'll find out that for my self then ....
[02:22] <zimon> 10x again for the help
[02:22] <zimon> zbyez zbyez
[02:23] <patrix> cyz
[02:23] <patrix> a
[02:30] <hatake_kakashi> zimon: try #cedega
[02:31] <ubuntu> bonjour ?
[02:32] <hatake_kakashi> !tell ubuntu about fr
[02:33] <zimon> hatake_kakashi: 10x
[02:33] <hatake_kakashi> zimon: I probably eventually will try cedega once I get my other box setup, its also got ATI video card as well
[02:34] <zimon> I've tryed already cedega in Slackware
[02:35] <zimon> but it had all kinds of bugs
[02:35] <zimon> and errors
[02:35] <hatake_kakashi> zimon: iirc cedega was supposed to translate win32 handles, etc to linux
[02:35] <zimon> how can I mount a mds image in linux ?
[02:35] <hatake_kakashi> zimon: I don't think there is a way but I could be mistaken
[02:36] <zimon> ok
[02:36] <patrix> what's mds ?
[02:36] <zimon> hatake_kadashi: can I find on the repositories cedega ?
[02:36] <zimon> or wine ?
[02:36] <zimon> winex ...
[02:37] <zimon> Morrowind mds for example
[02:37] <patrix> cedega/winex is a commercial product
[02:37] <hatake_kakashi> patrix: media descriptor file I think
[02:37] <zimon> Morrowind.mds
[02:37] <zimon> a cd iamge file
[02:37] <hatake_kakashi> zimon: not sure
[02:37] <zimon> cedega ... is free
[02:37] <zimon> I think
[02:38] <patrix> cedega = winex = commercial product
[02:38] <patrix> sure the source code is free, you're free to grab it and compile it and set it all up yourself ;)
[02:38] <hatake_kakashi> patrix: there's various cd images, mdf/nrg/bin are just some of the formats that I don't think there are linux support. Though FUSE may hold a key to it later on probably
[02:39] <weedar> For some reason programs have started crashing, Amarok, Kicker, Firefox...Any suggestions as to what I should do?
[02:39] <patrix> hatake_kakashi: I've seen a nrg->.iso util before
[02:40] <zimon> post somewere your debug log
[02:40] <hatake_kakashi> patrix: yes there are tools to convert to iso, however: a) is it reliable that the data is converted correctly? b) There are certain images that contain specific details about error sectors and all, afaik iso9660 has some limitations here and there. Would the conversion be successful in imitating those?
[02:41] <hatake_kakashi> weedar: try running those programs through konsole
[02:41] <patrix> hatake_kakashi: all 3 times I've used nrg2iso it worked flawlessly. Sector errors etc, so what ;) mostly games do that for copyprotection hm?
[02:42] <hatake_kakashi> patrix: yeah, well, there are many things that I'm still curious if converting to iso would be the right choice.
[02:42] <weedar> hatake_kakashi, good idea
[02:42] <patrix> well for what I used it for it was te right choice
[02:42] <hatake_kakashi> patrix: ahh ok
[02:42] <patrix> files that should have been iso to start with but the person who ripped it used nero and made it nrg because.. well just becayuse lol
[02:44] <hatake_kakashi> patrix: I'm sure there are certain ramifications of iso9660 has limitations. If these other companies come stumbling along the iso9660 standards and creating their own unique format. Then there probably is a) a proper reason apart from the fact that they want to make money out of it. b) iso9660 is probably too common? ;)
[02:45] <patrix> hatake_kakashi: if you say so
[02:45] <patrix> all I'm saying is the files were .nrg but could just as well have been .iso
[02:45] <patrix> haha
[02:45] <patrix> nope didn't crash
[02:46] <hatake_kakashi> weedar: certain programs will not output debug info to konsole, and may not even have ways to enable it without recompiling it. So be warned :)
[02:46] <hatake_kakashi> patrix: heh, well, I'll give conversion to iso9660 a try. However I have lack of hd space to do so and I don't trust CD/DVD :)
[02:46] <patrix> hehe hatake_kakashi .. up to you :)
[02:47] <weedar> hatake_kakashi, I think my system is unstable because of my WLAN-card and graphics adapter..So when I have enough money I'll do a quick-fix and replace them =)
[02:47] <hatake_kakashi> weedar: well, just to make sure, read logs where possible :)
[02:52] <fabim> !mp3
[02:52] <ubotu> methinks mp3 is a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[02:52] <Glin|Jol> Winamp  5.20 Stopped
[03:02] <_eddy> salve
[03:02] <_eddy> ho appena installato kubuntu
[03:03] <_eddy> non riesco a fare alcune cose:
[03:03] <jpat|away> Tm_T: ^
[03:03] <hatake_kakashi> !tell _eddy about it
[03:03] <jpat|away> !it
[03:03] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[03:03] <_eddy> i've just installed kubuntu
[03:03] <Tm_T> jpat|away: =)
[03:03] <_eddy> i've problems
[03:03] <_eddy> I can't check my gmail account
[03:04] <_eddy> my yahoo account
[03:08] <chx> hi. KDirWatch::removeDir can't handle '/etc/security/fileshare.conf' . what's this?
[03:11] <ryanakca> how d'you play .wmv in linux? I used to be able to, but since dapper upgrade, I can't, and I dont remember how I set it up...
[03:18] <pulver> ryanakca: w32codecs?
[03:19] <ryanakca> kk
[03:22] <pulver> why does that mean adept-update want to wipe kubuntu-desktop and office from my disk? it says 'remove'...
[03:24] <Borelia> it whats to kill kde  ?
[03:24] <DexterF> heya
[03:25] <ryanakca> hullo DexterF
[03:25] <ryanakca> pulver: what d'you mean?
[03:25] <DexterF> I just updated Dapper, saw Xgl is available. Now - how do I enable it?
[03:25] <fabim> my amarok is closing when i try to play any file
[03:25] <pulver> lol dunno if removing kubuntu-desktop just removes the meta package but office? what did i do to deserve that...
[03:26] <ryanakca> DexterF: go to #ubuntu-xgl
[03:26] <ryanakca> pulver: what are you trying to do?
[03:26] <ryanakca> pulver: are you updating to dapper?
[03:26] <DexterF> thanks. another thing: I noticed there's no fglrxconfig in the fglrx package.
[03:27] <DexterF> I took an xorg.conf from another machine, but seems not right.
[03:27] <pulver> ryanakca: the adept update list says to remove kubuntu-desktop and office, im running dapper but the adept notify popped up...
[03:27] <DexterF> plus, I'm still on Mesa rendering, so what's it about the fglrx pack anyway?
[03:28] <ryanakca> pulver: odd....
[03:29] <ryanakca> pulver: just a sec... I'll see if it wants to remove my kubuntu-desktop too
[03:29] <pulver> ryanakca: rgr
[03:29] <ryanakca> pulver: Nope....
[03:29] <ryanakca> pulver: rgr?
[03:30] <pulver> ok
[03:31] <me2win> hey whats the file to edit runlevels?
[03:31] <ryanakca> pulver: when was the last time you tried updating?
[03:31] <me2win> or how do you set it to run at runlevel 3,
[03:32] <ryanakca> me2win: not sure.... try "man init"..... I think its telinit, but not sure...
[03:32] <pulver> ryanakca: updated few days back.. is there a way to see apt history? think this started after installed some packages..
[03:33] <ryanakca> I dunno.... I updated last night... it had to upgrade about 40 packages like debutils and things like that... but kubuntu-desktop wasnt in that list...
[03:35] <DexterF> me2win: /etc/inittab should be the place
[03:35] <joris> hello peoples, i have a problem with the compose key in kubuntu. I can only write  but nothing else, except in firefox
[03:37] <joris> anyone a clue about what to do to fix it?
[03:37] <me2win> thank DexterF and ryanakca for the init tip
[03:37] <me2win> joris, not sure, i had that problem a while back but dont know what i did to fix it
[03:38] <ryanakca> me2win: your welcome... it work?
[03:40] <me2win> ryanakca, lets hope so, it was for my friend, not for me. I remember one time editing it, but i forgot how to, it fixed my problem when i did it, so im sure it will fix his too
[03:40] <me2win> he can't boot to GUI, just to command
[03:40] <me2win> and when that happened to me, i rememeber running sudo init 3
[03:40] <me2win> but i guess i really ran sudo telinit 3
[03:40] <me2win> now that i look at it, that is
[03:44] <joris> my god, this compose key GUI is really crap...
[03:44] <joris> now I turned it off but the right alt +ae still gives
[03:58] <ryanakca> me2win: he have kubuntu-desktop or ubuntu-desktop installed?
[03:59] <me2win> he has ubuntu wharty
[04:00] <jpat|away> woah
[04:00] <ryanakca> hmmm
[04:02] <me2win> ryanakca, hes on dialup
[04:02] <DatsunZoso> Hey guys
[04:02] <me2win> i sent him a CD through the mail
[04:02] <me2win> a few months back
[04:02] <DatsunZoso> I gotta question concerneing kubuntu, you think you guys can help me?
[04:02] <me2win> DatsunZoso, nah...
[04:02] <DatsunZoso> :(
[04:02] <me2win> :P
[04:02] <DatsunZoso> lol
[04:02] <me2win> jk, we're always here to help
[04:02] <DatsunZoso> well thanks
[04:02] <ryanakca> me2win: lol... I see... I was wondering why he hadn't updated to breezy
[04:03] <me2win> ryanakca, haha, yeah, im gonna get him to get a dapper cd shipped to him when it gets released
[04:03] <ryanakca> DatsunZoso: First of all, please help us help you by telling us your question
[04:03] <DatsunZoso> i wanna switch from windows xp to kubuntu. on xp I have 2 partitions that I use, one for actually running of windows, and the other one to store information and data like music and app's. i want to retain the partition with the data and music, is there any way that I can do that while installing kubuntu?
[04:04] <ryanakca> me2win: good.... wharty... I started on that... then I ditched ubuntu for fedora core, then mandrake, and now kubuntu