[00:25] <Pici> bleh
[00:27] <PriceChild> he hasn't turned up
[00:27] <no0tic> is there a rough estimate of the size of the ubuntu irc community?
[00:27] <PriceChild> I think there was a figure of 35,000 different nicks in #ubuntu over the past couple of weeks.
[00:28] <PriceChild> not very accurate though
[00:28] <no0tic> PriceChild, I mean in general, number of ubuntu channels and so on
[00:29] <no0tic> PriceChild, I think using CS list isn't accurate at all
[00:29] <PriceChild> no idea
[00:29] <PriceChild> see the list of channels on the wiki?
[00:29] <PriceChild> +loco channels
[00:29] <PriceChild> that guy still hasn't turned up in -br
[00:29] <PriceChild> and i know the minute i remove the forward, he'll appear in #ubuntu
[00:30] <nalioth> no, chanserv will list #ubuntu-horse-eaters and #ubuntu-ding-dingers and many other wtf channels
[00:30] <LjL> no0tic, if you are good at statistics, you should know that "size of the ubuntu irc community" doesn't mean a darn thing
[00:30] <no0tic> LjL, I'm seeking for a rough estimate :)
[00:30] <no0tic> LjL, an order of magnitude
[00:30] <Pici> 75
[00:31] <LjL> no0tic: look at launchpad - whoever has an IRC nick listed
[00:32] <Pici> 4
[00:32] <LjL> Pr1C3ch1lD anyway
[00:33] <LjL> now is there a precise, policy-approved definition of a "wtf channel"?
[00:33] <PriceChild> wtf is a wtf channel?
[00:33] <Pici> wtf
[00:33] <LjL> PriceChild: yes, add "we don't know and neither should do" to that. that should be part of the guidelines
[00:33] <LjL> neither should you
[00:34] <Pici> wtf is LjL talking about?
[00:34] <no0tic> PriceChild, I think #ubuntu-chilipili could be a wtf channel
[00:34] <LjL> #ubuntu-warez is a wtf channel
[00:34] <PriceChild> ahhhh
[00:34] <nalioth> is it?
[00:34] <LjL> nalioth: yeah, owned by our dearest wtf op
[00:34] <nalioth> holy COW!
[00:34] <nalioth> i knew it all along, too
[00:35] <PriceChild> lol
[00:35] <no0tic> lol :)
[00:40]  * mneptok beams brightly
[00:40] <LjL> oh crap, he's got a highlight on wtf
[00:41] <mneptok> juarez me juarez
[00:41] <LjL> or would that be a wtf highlight
[00:41] <LjL> no entiendo
[00:41] <LjL> juarez y queidiens?
[00:42] <mneptok> absolumente.
[00:43] <mneptok> FYI, i should have working CD keys for Hardy on release day.
[00:44] <Pici> 0day
[00:44] <mneptok> w00t!
[00:44] <LjL> me haz secret linkz
[00:44] <mneptok> !secret download
[00:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about secret download - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[00:44] <mneptok> bah
[00:45] <LjL> i deletez nastie stuffz
[00:45] <Seeker`> I need to find a way to crack ubuntu so that I can install it for free - can anyone help?
[00:45] <mneptok> Seeker`: pm me your Visa number, and FedEx a stool sample. i'll hook you up.
[00:46] <Seeker`> mneptok: hmm, tempting
[00:48] <LjL> i del33t
[01:16] <ubotu> kitche called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[01:21] <ubotu> FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join)
[01:21] <ubotu> FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join)
[01:22] <LjL> w.t.f.
[01:22] <ubotu> FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join)
[01:24] <LjL> ah crap
[01:25] <LjL> it was a slow rejoin from netsplit... somehow
[01:44] <LjL> ...
[01:44] <LjL> [02:41:31] <redoxy> when my system runs out of memory, the swap usage starts growing fast but it doesn't seem to ever go back down--the physical ram usage does, but everything remains in swap. is this normal? how could I make it put the memory back in RAM?
[01:44] <LjL> [02:41:58] <Flare183> redoxy: can ram= READ ONLY MEMORY
[01:44] <LjL> [02:42:08] <LjL> redoxy, unless the system *needs* those data back in memory, there is no reason why it should put them back. but when it does need them, it'll put them back, trust me
[01:45] <LjL> [02:42:24] <Flare183> redoxy: you can write to it and read but you can't erase [02:42:40] <LjL> Flare183: eh? :o) [02:43:01] <LjL> Flare183: what were you saying about RAM? [02:43:09] <Flare183> LjL: what about it? [02:43:27] <LjL> Flare183: you can't erase stuff from RAM? it's read only memory? i feel lost [02:43:41] <Flare183> LjL: hardware stuff don't worry about it [02:43:52] <Flare183> LjL: it's alittle like swap
[01:45] <LjL> i still feel lost
[01:48] <stdin> huh, RAM = Read Only Memory? I'd have thought that was ROM </sarcasm>
[01:50] <LjL> RAM = Read Alone Memory
[01:50] <LjL> it's a synonym
[01:51] <stdin> or Read And Memorise
[01:51] <no0tic> "you can write to it and read but can't erase" interesting point of view
[01:53] <jdong> no0tic: I bet Bush would LOVE that kind of memory.
[01:54] <LjL> no0tic: well that's basically hard drives
[01:54] <LjL> !jdong | Bush
[01:54] <ubotu> Bush: <Hobbsee> jdong: yes, but you're FULL OF CRACK!
[01:54] <no0tic> LjL, well, define me "erase"
[01:55] <LjL> no0tic: make it so that the data that were once written cannot be read back
[01:55] <no0tic> LjL, I so you can't erase files on your hd? :)
[01:55] <jdong> LjL: by that definition you can't erase hard drives or solid state media
[01:55] <jdong> without heating to the curie point
[01:55] <LjL> no0tic: depends on the instrumentation you have at your disposal to recover them
[01:55] <no0tic> :D
[01:55] <LjL> jdong: that's what i'm saying
[01:56] <no0tic> LjL, I think 8 head sweeps writing 0 in each block would be enough
[01:56] <jdong> no0tic: no :)
[01:56] <LjL> jdong: although i think hitting your head with the involted HD a reasonable amount of times would defeat any practical recovery system
[01:57] <LjL> since you combine sturdiness with degaussing radiation
[01:57] <no0tic> jdong, you can also lose _your_ memory
[01:57] <LjL> ah yes that's an added bonus
[01:57] <LjL> but i was thinking about the HD right now
[01:57] <jdong> no0tic: I've got contacts that work in the industry, and they say that every erasure technique a regular person has access to, there is a recovery technique to counteract
[01:58] <jdong> no0tic: the problem is at some stage (I believe it was said 30+ pass random rewrite) it becomes prohibitively time consuming that people will lose interest
[01:58] <LjL> no0tic, writing 0 is possibly the worst thinkable thing you could do :)
[01:58] <jdong> unless the data is REALLY interesting :)
[01:58] <LjL> jdong: 30 passes is prohibitive...?
[01:58] <no0tic> LjL, yes indeed :) so write random bits
[01:58] <LjL> looks pretty polinomial to me
[01:58] <jdong> LjL: apparently it would take them a week to get the data back
[01:58] <jdong> LjL: which will run you some $100,000 USD bill
[01:58] <jdong> which is "prohibitive" to the average person
[01:59] <LjL> jdong: ah you're saying prohibitive for *them* to recover
[01:59] <jdong> I'd rather get myself that italian sportscar I've always wanted :)
[01:59] <jdong> LjL: right.
[01:59] <no0tic> jdong, and they assure they can recover everything?
[02:00] <jdong> no0tic: yep
[02:00] <jdong> no0tic: even the average person's ways of physically damaging the drive
[02:00] <jdong> no0tic: unless you have access to some high-heat industrial type equipment you cannot irrecoverably destroy the data on the drive.
[02:01] <LjL> jdong, uhm, call me naive but i kind of suspect that if i tear the drive open and put each platter in the fireplace...
[02:01] <no0tic> so someone could recover my lost irclogs!
[02:02] <jdong> no0tic: he told me a story about a time that they got 95% of data back from a rare-earth-magnet swiped disc because the induced field patterns were predictable
[02:02] <no0tic> amazing
[02:02] <jdong> LjL: it will be costly and time consuming, but my friend in the industry is 100% confident your fireplace won't heat it enough to make the data *irrecoverable*
[02:03] <LjL> jdong: so kitchen mixer it is :)
[02:03] <LjL> although the mixer would probably hate it
[02:04] <jdong> LjL: well then it's just a big jigsaw puzzle
[02:05] <jdong> LjL: even a shredder would turn the platters into a solvable forensic jigsaw puzzle
[02:05] <jdong> unless you have a really really good shredder :)
[02:05] <LjL> jdong: well a mixer generally does way way better than the average shredder i see in movies. since i've never actually seen one.
[02:06] <jdong> LjL: haha :)
[02:06] <LjL> i mean... my printer pretty much emulates one at times, possibly even exceeds the original, but
[02:09] <LjL> jdong: i wonder though, how does the time taken to recover grow with the number of random passes? 30 is still a pretty accessible number, if i need to do the whole drive it can be done in what, one/two days...
[02:10] <jdong> LjL: it grows exponentially or so up to a certain # of passes, after which there is no gained benefit from additional passes
[02:11] <LjL> jdong: so if it takes a week to recover from 30 passes, it's basically impossible for anyone to recover after 60 passes... or is 30 already close to the asymptote?
[02:12] <jdong> LjL: I need to ask him again, but he implied around 30 is the asymptote
[02:12] <jdong> LjL: most recovery services will probably refuse to do the job after 5 or 6 passes though
[02:15] <LjL> jdong: well i guess it always depends what sort of crime is involved though ;P
[02:16] <jdong> LjL: exactly
[02:17] <LjL> like, if i stabbed jdong they'd hardly bother after seeing i did two passes of zeroes on the log
[02:17] <jdong> ;-)
[02:19] <LjL> now i know why they feared weapons of mass destruction
[02:19] <LjL> you can erase a HD with one!
[02:19]  * LjL now *should* actually go and burn the logs
[02:22] <tekteen> anyone see SupportBush in the #kubuntu channel
[02:22] <tekteen> (09:21:21 PM) SupportBush: Learn the Smiley language! :):-D:-(;-):P=-O:-*8-):-[:'(:-/O:-):-X:-$:-!>:o:):-D:-(;-):P=-O:-*8-):-[:'(:-/O:-):-X:-$:-!>:o:):-D:-(;-):P=-O:-*8-):-[:'(:-/O:-):-X:-$:-!>:o:):-D:-(;-):P=-O:-*8-):-[:'(:-/O:-):-X:-$:-!>:o:):-D:-(;-):P=-O:-*8-):-[:'(:-/O:-):-X:-$:-!>:o:):-D:-(;-):P=-O:-*8-):-[:'(:-/O:-):-X:-$:-!>:o:):-D:-(;-):P=-O:-*8-):-[:'(:-/O:-):-X:-$:-!>:o:):-D:-(;-):P=-O:-*8-):-[:'(:-/O:-):-X:-$:-!>:o:):-D:-(;-
[02:23] <tekteen> can he be kicked for that?
[02:23]  * jdong crosses his eyes and stares through the screen looking for the hidden picture....
[02:23] <tekteen> he seems to be a real person though
[02:23] <LjL> ouch, the hammer
[02:24] <tekteen> it is funny
[02:24] <jdong> # kubuntu always feels relaxed anyway
[02:24] <tekteen> ok
[02:24] <tekteen> also (09:22:42 PM) SupportBush is now known as ImpeachBush
[02:24] <jdong> if he's not being a huge disturbance then I'd be inclined just to let it go :)
[02:24] <no0tic> he doesn't seem to know every smiley, btw
[02:24] <tekteen> lol
[02:24] <LjL> jdong, given he's been k-lined i'm inclined to let it go as well
[02:25] <tekteen> ok
[02:25] <nalioth> heh
[02:25] <jdong> tekteen: he has changed for better  political tastes though ;-)
[02:25] <tekteen> lol
[02:25] <jdong> tekteen: now if he only /nick AnyoneButHillary I'd make him a statue in my lawn
[02:25] <tekteen> yep
[02:26] <LjL> !jdong | o4o
[02:26] <ubotu> o4o: <Hobbsee> jdong: yes, but you're FULL OF CRACK!
[02:27] <jdong> :)
[02:35] <Pici> !ding
[02:35] <ubotu> dong
[02:35] <Pici> !jding
[02:35] <ubotu> jplease see above
[03:20] <LjL> !bing
[03:20] <ubotu> ban
[03:21] <mneptok> !bong
[03:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bong - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:21] <mneptok> prude.
[03:25] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-bots, IndyGunFreak said: !audacious is the best music player
[03:45] <jrib> heh
[04:26] <ubotu> macogw called the ops in #ubuntuforums (adrock is a troll)
[05:39] <ubotu> nickrud called the ops in #ubuntu (JShepard)
[06:49] <soldats> anyone around
[06:50] <nalioth> not for the impatient, no
[11:21] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, J-_ said: ubotu: Grammar is good, no?
[11:31] <J-_> Any ops want to take a look at my factoids I've made up?
[11:31] <Seveas> J-_, sure
[11:32] <J-_> Want me to just post in here?
[11:32] <Seveas> if it's not too much :)
[11:32] <J-_> 7
[11:33] <Seveas> paste away
[11:36] <J-_> !answers is <reply> A structured searchable way to help users, whilst encouraging community participation and building your knowledge. Progress support requests, and receive rewards of karma to all relevant answers, volunteer to receive automatic notifications when new questions arrive in a preferred language. Remember, support requests create bug reports. https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/
[11:36] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ops, J-_ said: !answers is <reply> A structured searchable way to help users, whilst encouraging community participation and building your knowledge. Progress support requests, and receive rewards of karma to all relevant answers, volunteer to receive automatic notifications when new questions arrive in a preferred language. Remember, support requests create bug reports. https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/
[11:36] <J-_> ugh
[11:36] <J-_> I'll just msg ubotu so it comes here.
[11:37] <ubotu> In ubotu, J-_ said: mentor is <reply> Bugs and blueprints in Ubuntu that someone has offered to mentor. If you are a new contributor to Ubuntu and would like to know how to help, then https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+mentoring is a good place to start.
[11:37] <Seveas> J-_, well the first one either makes no sense or I'm not awake enough
[11:37] <Seveas> it's missing verbs
[11:37] <ubotu> In ubotu, J-_ said: translate is <reply> Translate Ubuntu into your own language, important translations that are needed are listed first. See https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/
[11:38] <Seveas> actually, all of them so far are missing some verbs :)
[11:40] <Seveas> !search ranslat
[11:40] <ubotu> Found: rosetta, dns
[11:40] <Seveas> !rosetta
[11:40] <ubotu> rosetta is a Web-based system for translating open source software into any language.  See https://launchpad.net/rosetta/+about
[11:41] <Seveas> !translate is <reply> Translate Ubuntu into your own language, important translations that are needed are listed first. See https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/
[11:41] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Seveas
[11:45] <ubotu> In ubotu, J-_ said: milestones is <reply> Take a look at what our community, and developers have accomplished. Accomplished milestones can be viewed at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ubuntustory Also see, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestones
[11:46] <ubotu> In ubotu, J-_ said: store is <reply> Buy some Official Ubuntu Merchandise & Professional Support. See https://shop.canonical.com/
[11:48] <ubotu> In ubotu, J-_ said: thinkwiki is <reply> Install Ubuntu on a Thinkpad - A lot of how-to, and hardware information. See http://www.thinkwiki.org/
[11:54] <J-_> Anyway, that's all I have, I'll see if I can patch up the first 2, and submit them again sometime
[12:14] <Seveas> !store is <reply> Buy some Official Ubuntu Merchandise & Professional Support. See https://shop.canonical.com/
[12:14] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Seveas
[12:14] <Seveas> !shop is <alias> store
[12:14] <ubotu> But shop already means something else!
[12:14] <Seveas> !shop
[12:14] <ubotu> Buy your Ubuntu mugs, shirts and thongs in the Ubuntu shop at http://www.cafepress.com/ubuntushop/
[12:15] <Seveas> !no shop is <alias> store
[12:15] <ubotu> I'll remember that Seveas
[12:31] <jussi01> afternoon all.
[12:32] <Pici> Morning ;)
[12:35] <Seveas> evenin' :)
[12:36] <ikonia> howdy
[12:41] <jussi01> anything strange happening?
[12:57] <ikonia> jussi01: can't seen anything
[12:59] <jussi01> !usersnack | ikonia
[12:59] <ubotu> ikonia: Are peanut husks ok? The ops ate the chocolates and peanuts already...
[13:00] <ikonia> I require more than peanuts
[13:01] <jussi01> !coffee | ikonia?
[13:01] <ubotu> ikonia?: coffee is a caffeinated beverage made by filtering water through ground up roasted beans of the coffee plant. Flavouring to taste such as milk or cream, sugar or sweetener are often added afterwards. Not to be confused with !java
[13:01] <ikonia> I'll take coffee, thank you
[13:01] <jussi01> :)
[13:21] <Pici> /methinks we can stop forwarding prez here.
[14:55] <jussi01> Hmmm, does anyone remember the name of the script that puts a line where you left the channel?
[14:57] <Hobbsee> ctrl+r in konvi
[14:58] <jussi01> Hobbsee: ahh, sorry, I  meant for irssi...
[14:58]  * Hobbsee shrugs
[14:58] <Hobbsee> didn't know it had it
[15:16] <jdong> jussi01: in what client?
[15:16] <jdong> jussi01: I'm guessing irssi, trackbar.pl
[15:43] <jussi01> jdong: yeah thats it. thanks :D
[15:44] <jdong> sure thing
[16:21] <ikonia> has anyone else just had a massive attack from what looks like a freenode server ?
[16:27] <ikonia> Hmmm I wasn't identified I wonder if anyone decided to attack me
[19:45] <dantalizing> morning all, i'm contact for #ubuntu-us-fl, and want to know if its possible/allowed to add a link logging bot to our channel
[20:00] <PriceChild> "link logging bot"?
[20:00] <PriceChild> And if you're the contact... you do what you want :)
[20:01]  * jdong giggles at potential innuendos in "link logging bot"
[20:04] <dantalizing> who doesnt love potential innuendos :)
[20:04] <dantalizing> ok, thx yall
[20:06] <jdong> omgz freenode is lagging
[20:07] <Pici> !jding
[20:07] <ubotu> jdong
[20:15] <LjL> weird though, they have locobot already
[20:15] <LjL> (lucky them)
[20:19] <LjL> ¡o4o =~ s/politics (unless related to software licensing)/politics (unless related to software licensing or greedy dwarves about to govern pizzaland again)/
[20:19] <Pici> I'll remember that LjL.
[20:20] <Gary> i'll forget that LjL.
[20:20] <LjL> I'll kick you Pici
[20:20] <LjL> I'll kick you Gary
[20:22] <Gary> help help, I'm being repressed
[20:22] <LjL> [21:22:48] [Error] help: No such nick/channel.
[20:25] <Pici> I'm going afk for a bit, someone may want to keep an eye on N1c in #ubuntu.
[20:27]  * PriceChild looks in
[21:00] <PriceChild> Hey impreza, how can I help?
[21:01] <impreza> Any good with routing a wi-fi internet connection on an XP machine, to an ethernet NIC on the same machine, through a hub to an Ubuntu (6.10) machine?
[21:01] <PriceChild> !support | impreza
[21:01] <ubotu> impreza: the official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu. Also see http://ubuntu.com/support and http://ubuntuforums.org
[21:01] <PriceChild> !topic | impreza
[21:01] <ubotu> impreza: Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[21:02] <impreza> my bad, thought I'd joined #ubntu
[21:02] <impreza> *ubuntu
[21:02] <Seveas> impreza, you seem to be banned from there, but you could easily be an innocent victim of a rather wide ban
[21:02] <Seveas> let me check
[21:03] <PriceChild> Seveas, its on prez
[21:03] <Seveas> PriceChild, *prez*
[21:03] <truslack> ahh thought it was because O hadnt registered the nick
[21:03] <truslack> *I
[21:03] <truslack> I'm in now
[21:03] <truslack> thanks guys
[21:03] <truslack> sorry for messin you around
[21:04] <Seveas> ah well, with another nick he can come in :)
[21:05] <LjL> see why i'm not a big fan of wide bans
[21:05] <Seveas> LjL, I'm assuming there is a reason for a ban that wide
[21:06] <LjL> yeah, but need to ask elky, i'm not entirely sure what this prez guy did - or who he is, either, since a couple of different "prez" and "prezlaptop" (and more) guys come to this channel regularly
[21:06] <PriceChild> same
[21:08] <crdlb> I think it was targetted at the mitt romney spammer?
[21:09] <LjL> likely
[21:09] <LjL> but i'm a bit confused about that
[21:09] <LjL> there are 3 nicks banned that way
[21:11] <PriceChild> LjL, shall we change that to forward here?
[21:11] <LjL> ah sure, i usually forward those.
[21:12] <LjL> PriceChild can you deal with n1c, for some reason i can't decide how to deal with him
[21:14] <PriceChild> I'll try.
[21:14] <LjL> [22:11:52] <N1c> ewww OP?! <- /me is baffled
 Did you go to the link?
 Nah , why would I?
 I am sure it will tells me to respect others and talk in one line , and be helpful , blah blah ;-)
 things i allready know :)
[21:18] <LjL> know and ignore?
[21:19]  * ompaul waddles across the floor
[21:23] <PriceChild> Next time N1c so much as sneezes, do what you will.
[21:24] <PriceChild> hard enough to get him to read the guidelines, then finally says he will, then only reads bold text, etc. etc.
[21:24] <PriceChild> *then* he realises i'm an op
[21:25] <ompaul> want me to waddle his way?
[21:25] <LjL> PriceChild: seemed to do the same with me.
[21:26]  * LjL joins a clone
[21:26] <PriceChild> ompaul, he's come around after realising i'm an op
[21:26] <ompaul>  /msg n1c and not just the ops care
[21:27] <ompaul> heheh
[21:27] <PriceChild> stopped assuming he knows everything
[21:27] <ompaul> we could beg gary to msg that to him
[21:27] <Gary> could do
[21:27] <ompaul> that would be like delivering a letter on the front end of an atomic bomb
[21:27] <jpatrick> haha
[21:27] <ompaul> this works - flash
[21:27] <LjL> Gary: lastlog what he said to me, that'll give you motivation
[21:28] <Gary> LjL, #ubuntu ?
[21:28] <LjL> yepper
[21:28] <ompaul> Gary, ya - let him know that all people sees him
[21:28]  * ompaul thinks about waddling his way
[21:28] <ompaul> that might be scary
[21:28] <ompaul> RMS would not approve of your community disruption but ....
[21:29] <ompaul> I can say this with some malice aforethought
[21:29] <ompaul> but that is another days work
[21:30] <PriceChild> Get this:
 just want to tell you before i reboot what i though you were going to ask me
 "/!\ Do not edit this page without discussing any changes with the Ubuntu IRC council who maintain this page."
  Please ensure that you keep using the correct connection settings.
[21:49] <TheFishy> so if i reconnect to quickly will i have to do this every damn time?
[21:49] <PriceChild> TheFishy, it did
[21:49] <LjL> PriceChild: yep, it only removes nickname bans. if you don't ban victims on nickname, then too bad
[21:49] <TheFishy> oh ok
[21:49] <LjL> TheFishy, i doubt the problem was that you reconnected too quickly
[21:49] <PriceChild> yup realised late :)
[21:49] <TheFishy> it was
[21:49] <LjL> TheFishy: can you elaborate?
[21:50] <TheFishy> because i always connect through ssl
[21:50] <TheFishy> i closed my irc client
[21:50] <TheFishy> then reopened it
[21:50] <TheFishy> because i was setting it up
[21:50] <LjL> that's hardly something that causes you to be forwarded to that channel.
[21:50] <TheFishy> ...
[21:50] <TheFishy> fine ill prove it
[21:50] <TheFishy> brb
[21:51] <LjL> there is a reading problem, to begin with
[21:51] <LjL> mostly unrelated to routers
[21:51] <TheFishy> see
[21:52] <PriceChild> see what?
 there is a reading problem, to begin with
 mostly unrelated to routers
[21:52] <LjL> yeah, see what?
[21:52] <TheFishy> I was forwarded
[21:52] <LjL> Seveas: grr.
[21:52] <PriceChild> TheFishy, where to?
[21:52] <Seveas> LjL, :)
[21:52] <PriceChild> TheFishy, you're in #ubuntu and not #ubuntu-read-topic?
[21:52] <LjL> he's in neither place
[21:52] <PriceChild> sorry reading the wrong join
[21:53] <PriceChild> TheFishy, /join #ubuntu
[21:53] <LjL> TheFishy, you cannot be forwarded from #ubuntu if you didn't try *joining* it to begin with
[21:53] <LjL> and you didn't
[21:53] <TheFishy> i did
[21:53] <LjL> TheFishy: and you were forwarded? where to?
[21:53] <PriceChild> You can't have.
[21:53] <Seveas> --- Bans matching<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(TheFishy)
[21:53] <Seveas> none
[21:55] <LjL> !variant
[21:55] <ubotu> The following are some examples of Ubuntu derived distributions that we cannot provide support for due to repository and software changes, please consult their websites for more information: Linux Mint, LinuxMCE, Ubuntu Ultimate.
[21:55] <LjL> !flavors
[21:55] <ubotu> !GTK and !Qt are !GUI toolkits (i.e. software libraries that draw buttons, textboxes, etc). !GNOME, !KDE, !Xfce and friends are "!desktop environments", which build on top of such libraries to provide a "consistent" desktop experience. !Kubuntu and !Xubuntu are simply flavors of Ubuntu that come with KDE and Xfce (respectively) installed as default, instead of GNOME. Other specialized flavors of Ubuntu include !Edubuntu
[21:55] <LjL> methinks !variant should alias to !flavors, and !derivatives should say what !variant currently says
[21:56] <jpatrick> LjL: I agree
[21:57] <LjL> !derivatives is <reply> The following are some examples of Ubuntu derived distributions that we cannot provide support for due to repository and software changes, please consult their websites for more information: Linux Mint, LinuxMCE, Ubuntu Ultimate.
[21:57] <ubotu> I'll remember that, LjL
[21:57] <LjL> !mint is <alias> derivatives
[21:57] <LjL> !linuxmce is <alias> derivatives
[21:57] <LjL> !ultimate is <alias> derivatives
[21:57] <ubotu> I'll remember that, LjL
[21:57] <LjL> !no variant is <alias> flavors
[21:57] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL
[21:57] <LjL> !variants is <alias> flavors
[21:58] <Gary> flavors?  erm flavours???
[21:58] <LjL> fishy
[21:58] <LjL> Gary: nou
[21:58] <LjL> i woun't
[21:58] <ompaul> !gnewsense
[21:58] <ubotu> gNewSense is a GNU/Linux distribution based off Ubuntu with the aim of containing only free software. The Website is http://www.gnewsense.org  -  Support in #gnewsense, NOT #ubuntu
[21:59] <ompaul> heh
[21:59] <LjL> !derivatives =~ s/.$/, gNewSense (most evil)./
[21:59] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL
[21:59] <Daviey> Support in #gnewsense, NOT #ubuntu-freedomhaters
[22:00] <Daviey> of course #gnewsense tend not to be around too much, due to non-worky wifi adapters :)
[22:00] <LjL> mwah
[22:01]  * Daviey cuddles ompaul
[22:01] <jussi01> doh, day change!!! must go to bed...
[22:02] <Daviey> 22:01:39 <+jussi.. lier
[22:02] <jussi01> [23:59]  * Daviey cuddles ompaul
[22:02] <jussi01> Day changed to 25 Jan 2008
[22:03] <Daviey> !UTC
[22:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about utc - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:03] <Daviey> what?!
[22:03] <PriceChild> @utc
[22:03] <LjL> uhm are we in any way affiliated to ubuntu ultimate?
[22:03] <jussi01> @now
[22:03] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: January 24 2008, 22:03:30 - Next meeting: Edubuntu meeting in 5 days
[22:03] <PriceChild> LjL, no
[22:03] <jussi01> !variant
[22:03] <ubotu> !GTK and !Qt are !GUI toolkits (i.e. software libraries that draw buttons, textboxes, etc). !GNOME, !KDE, !Xfce and friends are "!desktop environments", which build on top of such libraries to provide a "consistent" desktop experience. !Kubuntu and !Xubuntu are simply flavors of Ubuntu that come with KDE and Xfce (respectively) installed as default, instead of GNOME. Other specialized flavors of Ubuntu include !Edubuntu
[22:03] <PriceChild> ah its "@now utc"
[22:03] <LjL> PriceChild: then perhaps they shouldn't have a channel in our namespace
[22:04] <PriceChild> meh really? :/
[22:05] <jussi01> !mint
[22:05] <ubotu> The following are some examples of Ubuntu derived distributions that we cannot provide support for due to repository and software changes, please consult their websites for more information: Linux Mint, LinuxMCE, Ubuntu Ultimate, !gNewSense
[22:05] <jussi01> there it is...
[22:05] <Daviey> what about unapproved LoCo's? :)
[22:05] <PriceChild> does ubuntu ultimate even have permission to use the ubuntu name?
[22:06] <PriceChild> hehe their website has changed to being called "ultimate edition" from what i can see
[22:07] <Daviey> ubuntusatanic.org / whitebuntu.org aswell
[22:07] <Daviey> second one especially concerning
[22:07] <LjL> well i don't particularly care about protecting a trademark, i'm sure canonical can do that
[22:08] <LjL> but the channels is another matter
[22:09] <PriceChild> yeah i'm just on random train of thought
[22:09] <LjL> !derivatives
[22:09] <ubotu> The following are some examples of Ubuntu derived distributions that we cannot provide support for due to repository and software changes, please consult their websites for more information: gNewSense (support in #gnewsense), Linux Mint (support in #linuxmint), LinuxMCE (support in #linuxmce), Ubuntu Ultimate
[22:10] <jussi01> shouldnt mint and derivatives be aliased together?
[22:10] <Gary> !botabuse | LjL
[22:10] <ubotu> LjL: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (type also /msg ubotu Bot). Don't use commands in the public channels if you don't know if they really exist. Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids.
[22:10] <Gary> :-)
[22:11] <LjL> jussi01: i did?
[22:11] <LjL> !mint
[22:11] <ubotu> The following are some examples of Ubuntu derived distributions that we cannot provide support for due to repository and software changes, please consult their websites for more information: gNewSense (support in #gnewsense), Linux Mint (support in #linuxmint), LinuxMCE (support in #linuxmce), Ubuntu Ultimate
[22:11] <PriceChild> LjL, they don't have a channel do they?
[22:11] <LjL> !gary | gary
[22:11] <LjL> !bing | gary
[22:11] <ubotu> gary: Gary is as Gary does, on the other hand four fingers and a thumb!
[22:11] <ubotu> gary: ban
[22:12] <LjL> PriceChild: ubuntu ultimate? if they can find another name for it, then i suppose they would :)
[22:13] <jussi01> LjL: heh, didnt see
[22:15] <LjL> it's empty anyway so who cares really, although
[22:24] <LjL> vorian: fix that :)
[22:24] <LjL> and /me fixes the bot that didn't catch it
[22:24] <LjL> ah wait it didn't catch it because it wasn't on #ubuntu
[22:25] <LjL> vorian: yes, you
[22:25] <vorian> sorry LjL, new computer
[22:26] <LjL> oooh new computer
[22:26] <LjL> can i ban you again for having a new computer?
[22:26] <vorian> sure
[22:27] <vorian> go right ahead :)
[22:27] <LjL> nah, you'll already get enough trouble with that pesky new computer
[22:27]  * LjL pets his trash
[22:27] <vorian> haha
[22:38] <PriceChild> Hey there Vladt, how can I help?
[22:47] <LjL> chanserv is sleeping today
[22:47] <jdong> good day for trolling ;-)
[22:48] <PriceChild> I noticed it a little slow earlier.
[22:59] <ljsmithx> :<
[22:59] <ljsmithx> I think I should just stop going on IRC.
[23:01] <ljsmithx> So, Seveas, will I be unbanned or should I just stop coming here?
[23:02] <Seveas> ljsmithx, you should behave a bit better
[23:02] <ljsmithx> Ok, I didn't mean to offend you.
[23:03] <ljsmithx> :O
[23:04] <ljsmithx> Ok, thanks for unbanning me, I'll try to behave a bit more ok?
[23:15] <LjL> Seveas: is it christmas?
[23:15] <Seveas> LjL, not on my calendar
[23:15] <LjL> ah, just checking
[23:15] <LjL> perhaps i'm just in the wrong spacetime continuum
[23:17] <nalioth> or perhaps Seveas has been replaced by a pod-person
[23:19] <LjL> or an ipod person. which is what happens when you listen to your portable audio player too much and stop really caring about what happens around you
[23:42] <PriceChild> Jack_Sparrow, how are things going?
[23:42] <Jack_Sparrow> Hello, busy week for me.. how aout you.
[23:43] <Jack_Sparrow> May I run a quick idea by you.
[23:43] <PriceChild> same as ever, yeah sure?
[23:43] <nalioth> no running.
[23:43] <nalioth> :D
[23:43] <Jack_Sparrow> Let me pastebin my thought...  one sec
[23:43] <PriceChild> no diving
[23:43] <PriceChild> no petting
[23:44] <LjL> ope sev is available to remove a pastebin entry
[23:44] <LjL> ^h
[23:45] <Seveas> :)
[23:45] <Seveas> report it as abusive
[23:45] <Jack_Sparrow> Ok, please remember this is just an idea and these are notes just meant for me at this point..  With disclaimer in place  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/53395/
[23:46] <Jack_Sparrow> Sure, I wanted one opinion and I just know all three are looking at it.
[23:47] <PriceChild> Don't people just ask for that specific information when needed?
[23:47] <Pici> Doesnt upstreamdev or canoe exist for that?
[23:47] <LjL> !info upstreamdev | Jack_Sparrow
[23:47] <ubotu> jack_sparrow: upstreamdev (source: upstreamdev): Log file aggregator and report tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1.0-2 (gutsy), package size 15 kB, installed size 180 kB
[23:47] <Pici> or whatever uts cakked,
[23:47] <LjL> Jack_Sparrow: talk to jrib
[23:48] <Pici> cakked? called.
[23:48] <Pici> Although if you have cake, I'll have some.
[23:48] <Jack_Sparrow> Ok..  what should I ask him
[23:48] <LjL> Jack_Sparrow: about upstream. or see #upstream
[23:49] <LjL> anyway, there is a spec floating somewhere (since a very long time...) to include upstream in ubuntu by default
[23:49] <LjL> !cake-#ubuntu-offtopic | Pici
[23:49] <ubotu> Pici: The cake is a lie.
[23:49] <Jack_Sparrow> Looking now...
[23:50] <LjL> Jack_Sparrow: or just install it and play with it
[23:50] <Jack_Sparrow> already doing that and already joined that room
[23:50] <nalioth> Jack_Sparrow: wow.
[23:50] <Seeker`> I think we need a script that steals cake from users.
[23:51] <Pici> Seeker`: +1
[23:51] <Jack_Sparrow> I only eat pie...
[23:52] <Jack_Sparrow> Will I find upstream in the menus or is it cli only
[23:52] <nalioth> Jack_Sparrow: >>> cp: cannot stat `/boot/grub/menu.lst': No such file or directory
[23:53] <nalioth> MY GRUB IS MISSING!
[23:53] <Jack_Sparrow> What..?
[23:53] <nalioth> Jack_Sparrow: that first line was an error message from your script
[23:53] <nalioth> evidentally, my grub is missing  :(
[23:54] <Seveas> nalioth, which is perfectly normal on your fruit machine :)
[23:54] <nalioth> and why is it asking for "sudo" ?
[23:54] <nalioth> fakeroot should be used for safety, imho
[23:54] <Jack_Sparrow> nalioth: Doubtful your grub is missing...   those were my notes .. not a finished script
[23:55] <Seveas> Jack_Sparrow, he uses a ppc. No grub there :)
[23:55] <jdong> Seveas: but everyone uses GRUB :)
[23:55]  * Seveas grubs jdong
[23:55] <Jack_Sparrow> I heard he goes both ways... now I understand...
[23:55] <LjL> Jack_Sparrow, upstream itself is cli only - it's intended to be an engine/backend. but for gnome you have "canoe", and "kayak" for kde
[23:55] <Seveas> LOL
[23:55] <jdong> Seveas: WHOA pal I don't swing that way....
[23:57] <LjL> sure sure
[23:57] <nalioth> Jack_Sparrow: just providing you some feedback
[23:57] <Jack_Sparrow> Playing with canoe now..


[09:53] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Monday, and happy Chinese New Year! 😃
[10:15] <mweimann> Hello there, I have a question about unity js scopes. Maybe it's a bug or simply a not yet implemented functionality: When creating a scope, I pass "perform_action" in "runtime_config". According to the docs this should be a callback for preview actions. For me this is not working.
[10:25] <davidcalle> marcustomlinson ^ ?
[11:31] <nik90> zbenjamin_, ping
[12:29] <popey> balloons: is the jenkins build bot chroot busted again? (samba) https://code.launchpad.net/~popey/ubuntu-filemanager-app/fix-1543058/+merge/285327
[12:29] <popey> balloons: it builds fine locally on my shoddy chroot, but seems to have borked in jenkins chroot
[14:10] <nik90> !ping
[14:10] <ubot5`> pong!
[15:11] <nik90> zbenjamin, ping
[15:11] <zbenjamin> nik90: \o/
[15:12] <nik90> zbenjamin, hey, how is it going?
[15:12] <zbenjamin> nik90: all good, lots of work :D
[15:12] <nik90> I am having some trouble with chroots in a fresh 14.04 setup. Need some help with that
[15:12] <zbenjamin> nik90: right, its not creatable right
 appdevs ping (need help setting up qtcreator)
 I have a new 14.04 setup, I added the sdk release ppa and installed ubuntu-sdk. I couldn't create a armhf chroot due to dependency errors.
 So I created a amd64 chroot. But when I try to compile a project, it doesn't seem to run on my 14.04 desktop
 I thought https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/blog/2015/11/19/here-comes-brand-new-ubuntu-sdk-ide-tools/ should make this process easier for LTS users.
[15:13] <nik90> I created a amd64 chroot which is creatable
[15:13] <nik90> but I cannot use it to build and run apps on my 14.04
[15:13] <nik90> I get /var/lib/schroot/chroots/click-ubuntu-sdk-15.04-amd64/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/bin/qmlscene: symbol lookup error: /var/lib/schroot/chroots/click-ubuntu-sdk-15.04-amd64/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: g_option_group_unref
[15:14] <zbenjamin> nik90: well the new SDK ships a extra Qt with the ubuntu-sdk-dev package. But it is really only good for the basic QML modules + UITK.
[15:14] <nik90> zbenjamin, ah ... strange..installing ubuntu-sdk did not install ubuntu-sdk-dev
[15:14] <nik90> or may be that's intentional?
[15:14] <zbenjamin> nik90: i think its suggested ...
[15:15] <nik90> zbenjamin, If I install ubuntu-sdk-dev will that resolve the symbol error I get?
[15:15] <zbenjamin> nik90: you can try to run your app with the ubuntu desktop kit then, but you maybe will miss qml modules
[15:15] <zbenjamin> nik90: how do you execute the app now? do you log into the chroot and execute it in there?
[15:16] <nik90> zbenjamin, I just created a default cmake template app and then used the ubuntu-sdk-amd64 kit to build and run it.
[15:16] <nik90> all using the gui (green triangle)
[15:17] <zbenjamin> nik90: running against a chroot is what we are working on right now. We want to get completely rid of supporting to run on the host system libraries
[15:17] <zbenjamin> nik90: its just broken and confusing to app devs
[15:17] <nik90> agree
[15:17] <zbenjamin> nik90: for now you'd need to use a emulator if you want to use the amd64 chroot kit
[15:18] <nik90> zbenjamin, oh, I cannot use amd64 chroot kit against the desktop?
[15:18] <nik90> http://imgur.com/SLO2ciC
[15:18] <zbenjamin> nik90: no, it would try to use the system libraries :/
[15:18] <zbenjamin> nik90: except you set LD_LIBRARY_PATH correctly
[15:19] <zbenjamin> nik90: but thats probably more painful than anything else
[15:20] <zbenjamin> nik90: you can create a chroot for armhf,   add the -k switch (keep broken chroot) then ping me when its done
[15:20] <nik90> zbenjamin, I'm in a place where I have a very low internet cap.
[15:21] <nik90> chroots eat up so much bandwidth
[15:21]  * popey waves to nik90
[15:21] <nik90> hi popey :)
[15:21] <popey> want me to post you a usb stick full of chroots? :)
[15:21]  * nik90 waves frantically
[15:21] <nik90> popey, lol...nah I just need to wait until feb 18th (getting back to netherlands)
[15:22] <popey> Oh!
[15:22] <zbenjamin> popey: i think i got a workaround if you really want to create a chroot dynamically
[15:22] <popey> zbenjamin: go on...?
[15:23] <zbenjamin> popey: let me quicky verify
[15:24] <zbenjamin> popey: ok, create the chroot with: "click chroot -a armhf -f ubuntu-sdk-15.04 create -k"     <<< -k == keep broken chroot
[15:25] <popey> thanks zbenjamin will try that
[15:25] <zbenjamin> popey: after its done edit the file /var/lib/schroot/chroots/click-ubuntu-sdk-15.04-armhf/finish.sh and add the following packages to the apt-get:   liboxideqt-qmlplugin:armhf libandroid-properties1:armhf libhybris:armhf libmedia-hub-client4:armhf liboxideqtquick0:armhf
[15:25] <zbenjamin> popey: last step:  log in the chroot with: schroot -u root -c source:click-ubuntu-sdk-15.04-armhf   and run /finish.sh
[15:26] <popey> ok.
[15:26]  * popey makes notes
[15:27] <zbenjamin> popey: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/14993738/
[15:28] <popey> ta
[15:29] <nik90> zbenjamin, installed ubuntu-sdk-dev..and I now see Ubuntu Desktop Kit :D
[15:29] <zbenjamin> popey: just wait a sec, dbarth said that workaround has some issues :D
[15:29] <nik90> on building though, I get http://paste.ubuntu.com/14993751/
[15:29] <zbenjamin> nik90: cool , try to add it to your project and hit run, if you are lucky all modules you need are there :D
[15:30] <zbenjamin> nik90: meh :D
[15:30] <nik90> :P
[16:01] <popey> balloons: did you see my earlier ping about file manager?
[16:08] <balloons> popey, feel free to repeat it; I don't remember it, it might be in the scrollback
[16:10] <popey> balloons: looks like the chroot is busted, I don't think repeating will fix it
[16:11] <balloons> ouch, let's fix it together then if so
[16:18] <popey> balloons: i think it's the usual thing where it can't install samba due to the dependencies
[16:18] <popey> balloons: so maybe it needs your magic script running against it ? (twice)  😃
[17:37] <balloons> popey, I wonder if it broke because of the upgrades that run on the chroot
[17:37] <balloons> otherwise there's no reason it should have changed eh
[17:37] <popey> almost certainly
[17:37] <popey> i re-ran it and it failed the same way unsurprisingly
[17:37] <balloons> but if indeed that's the reason it broke, how can we fix it permnanently, heh
[17:37] <balloons> besides you know, fixing the package :-)
[17:48] <popey> balloons: can you run your magic script to un-break the chroot for now?
[17:48] <balloons> I'm doing so indeed
[17:48] <popey> balloons: medium term we could run that regularly (like, after updates)
[17:48] <balloons> just thinking aloud
[17:48] <popey> Longer term, yeah, I completely agree, fix that package
[17:48] <balloons> yea, I'll just schedule it to run right after
[17:48] <popey> (or the other option is not use debs at all)
[17:48] <popey> and just yank the libs and put them somewhere - which is a horrid solution
[17:49] <balloons> snappy solves everything
[17:49] <popey> (C) Ogra 2014-2016
[17:49] <popey> too lazy to dig out the unicode (c)
[17:49] <popey> balloons: I'll dig out the debian bug on samba, and see if we can poke that with a stick
[17:49] <balloons> not necessarily. most devs use static depends
[17:49] <balloons> only updating when they need to
[17:50] <popey> true
[17:50] <popey> could patch samba, and put it in our ppa
[17:50] <popey> which is what we do for libreoffice effectively
[17:50] <balloons> ahh, actually that's a good medium term solution
[17:50] <balloons> put it in the overlay ppa
[17:51] <popey> nah, overlay ppa would surely need to be sane packagin
[17:51] <popey> this needs to be a bit insane
[17:52] <ogra_> sanity is the ine eye of the beholder :P
[17:53] <balloons> mmm
[17:53] <balloons> fyi, magic script is struggling.. I'm playing with it
[17:55] <popey> actually this highlights an issue
[17:55] <popey> that if there was a samba update, we'd not notice
[17:55] <popey> (in the archive)
[17:55] <popey> (not that there likely will be in vivid or the overlay)
[17:55] <popey> but I do think we should move the to the community team ppa (or somewhere else sane)
[17:56] <balloons> well, sitting in vivid is a problem actually
[17:57] <balloons> it's past EOL and the archive will go away at some point
[18:46] <popey> balloons: so I'll take a look at building samba in the community team ppa without the odd python parts that it doesn't seem to really need.
[18:46] <popey> balloons: and if that works we can use that instead of the archive version for now
[18:46] <balloons> it should be as simple as repackaging, but changing the depends
[18:46] <balloons> heck, even moving the depends to recommended instead of required would save us
[18:48] <zbenjamin> popey: fyi https://bugs.launchpad.net/oxide/+bug/1543215
[18:48] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1543215 in oxide-qt (Ubuntu) "oxide breaks 15.04 chroot installs?" [Undecided,New]
[18:49] <popey> balloons: ok, will do that
[18:49] <popey> and test
[18:49] <popey> zbenjamin: ta
[19:01] <elijah> hola, "That’s it, you can go to the store page, and upload your scope.".. where is this store page?
[19:01] <elijah> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/scopes/tutorials/prepare-your-scope-for-publication/
[19:03] <elijah> Is it this => https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/ ?
[19:05] <mcphail> elijah: https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/ is where you publish apps. I haven't published a scope, though. I don't know if it is the same place
[19:05] <elijah> mcphail: Thanks, I wonder if it is only accessible on phones right now?
[19:06] <mcphail> elijah: don't think so. Seems to be working here
[19:07] <elijah> mcphail: I can access that link. But I can't search submitted scopes.
[19:07] <mcphail> elijah: aah. That link is just for publishing
[19:08] <elijah> mcphail: yeah, do you know where I can find a store of the published apps, scopes.
[19:08] <mcphail> https://uappexplorer.com/apps?type=scope
[19:08] <elijah> mcphail: thank you!
[19:08] <mcphail> elijah: enjoy ;)
[22:23] <popey> balloons: did you manage to fix the chroot? shall I re-run?