[06:56] <Mirv> mzanetti: hi! can you update on https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1411 (which is updating just to have it in sync with overlay)? I see in the bug report Pat had a problem with hang with the test app, but no comment from you?
[09:09] <tsdgeos> Mirv: welcome back?¿
[09:12] <Mirv> tsdgeos: that too :)
[12:15] <tsdgeos> Mirv: when you have some time have a look at silo 001
[12:15] <tsdgeos> it has a small patch that'd be nice to land
[12:20] <Mirv> tsdgeos: I have noticed it
[12:21] <Mirv> seems pretty safe and long in 5.5 and 5.6
[12:25] <tsdgeos> yep
[12:25] <tsdgeos> i was trying to get sil2100 to land it but i guess he's been busy
[12:25] <tsdgeos> if you can take over that'd be nice
[12:41] <sil2100> tsdgeos, Mirv: it's in QA's hands since Friday
[12:41] <sil2100> Nothing more can be done with it
[12:41] <tsdgeos> sil2100: ah, awesome
[12:42] <davmor2> sil2100: if this is the blocked silo with your name on then it is blocked :P
[12:42] <sil2100> tsdgeos: sorry it took so long, I was actually almost sure I switched it to Approved looong way ago
[12:42] <tsdgeos> sil2100: no worreis
[12:43] <sil2100> tsdgeos: could you just comment on the trello card in my stead? ;) You know better which UITK test failures it fixes
[12:43] <tsdgeos> sil2100: url?
[12:44] <sil2100> tsdgeos: https://trello.com/c/M75g1XTv/3428-1630-ubuntu-landing-001-qtdeclarative-opensource-src-qtdeclarative-opensource-src-gles-sil2100-tsdgeos
[12:49] <tsdgeos> i have stupid trello trying to format things
[12:49] <tsdgeos> and not having any kind of "what kind of stuppid formatting we use" link
[13:20] <Mirv> sil2100: tsdgeos: right! there's then another qtdeclarative upload to be prepared after that one has landed first, for dandrader
[14:06] <mterry> dednick, is this snap decision dialog doable today without changes on unity8 side?  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Networking#Inserting_a_new_SIM
[14:06] <mterry> dednick, i.e. can a user specify button color to be red and such?
[14:12] <dednick> mterry: give me a sec
[14:12] <mterry> I see we can set x-canonical-private-rejection-tint...
[14:13] <dednick> dednick: ermmmm.
[14:13] <dednick> i'll have to look at the dialog code.
[14:13] <mterry> dednick, But can't seem to control which button gets the tint?
[14:13] <mterry> It seems strictly based on order
[14:13] <dednick> but should be fairly easy to ascertain
[14:13] <ltinkl> mterry, dednick: I should know
[14:14] <mterry> ltinkl, oh hey ^
[14:14] <mterry> :)
[14:14] <dednick> mterry: i think the order is fixed.
[14:14] <dednick> as in which one is accept action, which one is reject action
[14:14] <ltinkl> mterry, dednick: the order is defined, 0 accept, 1 reject, then everything else
[14:14] <dednick> "as designed"
[14:15] <dednick> sounds entirely straight forward ;)
[14:15] <ltinkl> mterry, dednick: look in Notification.qml, around line 480
[14:15] <mterry> ltinkl, got it...
[14:16] <mterry> ltinkl, dednick: so...  what should we do for this dialog?  :)
[14:16] <ltinkl> "tint" here means the button gets green/red, nothing else
[14:16] <ltinkl> otherwise it's a regular button
[14:16] <mterry> ltinkl, dednick: x-canonical-private-reverse-tints?  :-/
[14:16] <dednick> mterry: well, the red one is the reject one.
[14:16] <mterry> I wish we could associate a tint with a particular action index
[14:16] <dednick> which is button 1
[14:17] <mterry> dednick, that looks like button 0?
[14:17] <dednick> which is "restart" in the picture no?
[14:17] <ltinkl> mterry, not quite sure what you _want_ to achieve :)
[14:17] <ltinkl> dednick, yeah, red == reject, number 1
[14:17] <ltinkl> 0 would be accept
[14:17] <mterry> ltinkl, in that picture, is the Restart Now button index 0 or index 1?
[14:17] <dednick> i would seriously hope the one on the right is 1.
[14:18] <dednick> otherwise we ave a very strange indexing system.
[14:18] <ltinkl> mterry, dednick: the red (restart) is 0
[14:18] <mterry> yeah
[14:18] <ltinkl> as in "accept"
[14:18] <ltinkl> do it now :)
[14:18] <mterry> dednick, buttons go reverse in dialogs
[14:18] <ltinkl> yup, they get filled from the right side
[14:18] <dednick> of course they do!
[14:19] <ltinkl> dednick, as designed :p
[14:19] <mterry> dednick, well there's some thought behind it -- your eye ends up in the bottom right by default -- so we want the "preferred" action there
[14:19] <mterry> GNOME does it too
[14:19] <dednick> mterry: i guess the restart needs to be green then.
[14:19] <mterry> ltinkl, so yeah, thoughts on best way to get that dialog in the spec?
[14:20] <ltinkl> yeah, Gnome and MacOS, the default/accept/OK button is always the rightmost one
[14:20] <mterry> dednick, except it's a destructive action
[14:20] <ltinkl> mterry, just emit a notification
[14:20] <ltinkl> mterry, I suppose from indicator-network?
[14:20] <mterry> ltinkl, right...  but to get the index==0 button to be red...
[14:21] <mterry> dednick, red is for "negative and irreversible actions"
[14:21] <mterry> It just also happens to be the "preferred" action here
[14:22] <ltinkl> mterry, ah... hmm, no better suggestion than patching Notification.qml
[14:22] <dednick> should probably have an x-canonical-private-affirmative-index / x-canonical-private-rejection-index.
[14:23] <mterry> ltinkl, dednick: rejection-tint seems bizarrely specific (in assuming index==1 -- like it was coded only for one dialog).  What about if we supported x-canonical-private-rejection-tint-XXX where XXX is an action index.  And if there isn't an XXX, we assume 1?
[14:23] <ltinkl> dednick, mterry: hmm no... let me come up with a simple patch
[14:23] <ltinkl> shouldn't be too hard
[14:23] <mterry> dednick, ltinkl: oh right, a hint can have a value
[14:23] <mterry> ltinkl, dednick: I like -index
[14:24] <dednick> then we can deprecate the "-tint"
[14:25] <ltinkl> mterry, dednick: https://pastebin.kde.org/p1x46wiug
[14:25] <ltinkl> this should work for both buttons
[14:26] <ltinkl> ah, small correction
[14:27] <dednick> while we're in there somebody should clean that button loader up... why are there 2 repeaters?
[14:27] <dednick> oh, a row and cloumn.
[14:28] <mterry> ltinkl, ah but we don't want both buttons red
[14:28] <ltinkl> yeah, a sec
[14:28] <mterry> ltinkl, dednick: so if we were to implement rection-index, is there anything we need to modify besides unity8's Notification.qml?  LIke any spec or approval we need from someone?
[14:29] <dednick> i have no idea if there is a spec around somewhere
[14:29] <dednick> should be. there are loads of hints.
[14:30] <mterry> dednick, ltinkl: looks like we should expose it in the capabilities in unity-notification
[14:31] <ltinkl> mterry, dednick: yeah, if you add new hints, you should add them also to the unity-notifications backend
[14:31] <ltinkl> shouldn't be a big prob
[14:31] <mterry> dednick, ltinkl: OR....  we could keep going with the bad current hint and assume that if ONLY rejection or affirmative are specified, it should be for index==0...
[14:31] <mterry> That makes some sort of sense to me, without the bother of adding new hints
[14:32] <ltinkl> mterry, then it's break as soon as the other button should be colorized too :)
[14:32] <mterry> ltinkl, yes...  but maybe by then we have proper dialogs  :-/
[14:32] <ltinkl> mterry, I wouldn't bet my socks on that ;)
[14:33] <mterry> ltinkl, well fair enough.  We can do the right thing.  So dednick, ltinkl: any objections to me adding rejection-index and affirmative-index?
[14:33] <ltinkl> mterry, if we can't come up with anything better, sure
[14:38] <mterry> ltinkl, do you mean to say you don't like the -index idea?
[14:38] <ltinkl> mterry, I mean I'm fine with it
[14:39] <ltinkl> mterry, can't see any other (better) way atn
[14:39] <ltinkl> atm
[14:39] <mterry> ltinkl, dednick: from a client point of view, do they name actions or index them?
[14:39] <mterry> like if I'm writing code for an app, and I add actions to a notification
[14:39] <ltinkl> mterry, it's an ordered list
[14:39] <mterry> Do I give it a name or just know the order?
[14:40] <mterry> ltinkl, yeah, but do I also name it?  Like does any part of the api refer to indexes already or is it all names?
[14:40] <ltinkl> mterry, just the order; the format is sth like "actionId:Visible text"
[14:40] <dednick> mterry: it's in a model
[14:40] <ltinkl> mterry, let me verify
[14:41] <mterry> I think they name them... so having them specify name might be nicer
[14:41] <ltinkl> mterry, dednick: the model is a plain string list (with pairs), so every odd number is a label, every even number is the action id
[14:41] <mterry> like it's an ordered list of action names
[14:42] <ltinkl> sorry, the opposite
[14:42] <ltinkl> id+label
[14:42] <dednick> i guess maybe use action name rather than index then
[14:42] <mterry> ltinkl, dednick: yeah.  So I'm thinking "x-canonical-private-affirmative-action=actionId"
[14:42] <ltinkl> mterry, dednick: see MockActionModel.cpp
[14:42] <dednick> x-canonical-private-affirmative-action=plop
[14:43] <dednick> mterry: yup
[14:43] <mterry> So this means you couldn't specify more than one positive / negative button...
[14:43] <ltinkl> mterry, dednick: yup, better identify them by the actionId
[14:43] <mterry> x-canonical-private-affirmative-actionId=true ?
[14:43] <ltinkl> that's also exported to the QML side
[14:43] <mterry> Or maybe that restriction is good...?
[14:43] <dednick> ltinkl: no, i think better not muddle with dynamic hint names
[14:44] <dednick> unless it comes from desigh
[14:44] <ltinkl> dednick, so you suggest x-canonical-private-affirmative-action=plop, where plop is the actionId or index?
[14:44] <dednick> ltinkl: ya
[14:44] <dednick> actionId
[14:44] <mterry> OK, I can go with that.  Designs aren't likely to use multiple affirmatives...
[14:44] <ltinkl> dednick, right, that's what I meant :)
[14:45] <mterry> OK.  x-canonical-private-affirmative-action=actionId
[14:45] <dednick> ltinkl: oh, it was directed at mterry; not you :)
[14:45] <dednick> sorry, you're both showing up as highlight color :)
[14:46] <ltinkl> dednick, mterry: ok then the Notification.qml code should be easy, lines 555-589
[14:46] <mterry> dednick, ltinkl: we could do x-canonical-private-affirmative-actions=actionId1,actionId2,etc
[14:46] <ltinkl> could be a list yeah, more flexible
[14:47] <dednick> mterry: fyi; there's a could of spots using the tint i think
[14:47] <dednick> and you need to make sure the old way works still
[14:47] <mterry> yeah that's fine
[14:47] <mterry> we can support old way
[14:48] <mterry> OK, will prepare some branches.  This is all in service of bug 1332306, btw
[14:48] <mterry> Which I inherited from Mirco!  :)
[14:49] <dednick> :)
[14:51] <mterry> dednick, ltinkl: should we worry about affirmative-actions=... sounding a lot like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action ?
[14:51] <dednick> lol.
[14:51] <mterry> I'm not worried, but still.  Feels weird looking at it in source code
[14:52] <dednick> well i dont think it's trademarked or copywrite; so i think it'll be fine.
[15:27] <ltinkl> dednick, mterry: regarding the most recent comment... why do we need this dialog in the first place? the SIM should be usable without a reboot
[15:28] <dednick> ltinkl: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ofono/+bug/1332306
[15:28] <mterry> ltinkl, I don't know the full technical details.  But bug 1332306 gets into it a bit.  I think only some platforms support it or something?
[15:28] <ltinkl> dednick, mterry: yeah, check the last comment
[15:29] <ltinkl> I wouldn't spend much time on the dialog now :)
[15:29] <mterry> ltinkl, ah cool.  OK
[15:29] <mterry> thx  :)
[15:30] <ltinkl> mterry, dednick: I mean, it must be possible without a reboot, some android phones do it (unlike the stock android)
[15:34] <dednick> some network operators require a reboot after picking up new data settings i think.
[15:34] <dednick> but meh.
[17:47] <mterry> ltinkl, on my dogfood phone, I'm seeing "Mute" in indicator-sound instead of "Silent Mode" -- is that expected?
[18:33] <mterry> bregma, is there an easy way to port config over to a libertine container?  Like, my xchat-gnome config and such
[18:33] <mterry> bregma, oh I found the rootfs
[18:34] <bregma> yeah, thye're bind-mounted in
[18:34] <mterry> bregma, oh, what's bind-mounted in?
[18:35]  * mterry wants a way to have libertine just point at my rootfs
[18:35] <mterry> a 'fake' container
[18:36] <bregma> mterry, the root of each container is available in the host OS at ~/.local/share/libertine-container/user-data and bind-mounted into the container
[18:36] <mterry> bregma, got it
[18:37] <bregma> if you;re trying to break out of the container and have your host filesystem used as a 'fake' container you're going to have to work pretty hard
[18:37] <bregma> breaking containment isn't a supported option
[18:37] <mterry> bregma, just would make for easier dogfooding of u8 -- if all my apps didn't lose config.  I know it's not in-scope for libertine.  I actually just want a "native apps" scope
[18:38] <mterry> to hell with confinement for this use case
[18:38] <bregma> that would miss the whole point of containment, then, wouldn't it?
[18:38] <mterry> bregma, yes
[18:38] <mterry> bregma, but I'm actually only interested in dogfooding u8, not confinement right this second
[18:38] <bregma> what you want is to use the snap scope and just use snapcraft to repackage all your apps
[18:39] <bregma> it's just that simple
[18:39] <mterry> bregma, sure, the future is bright.  :)  But dogfooding on the way to that future is not
[18:39] <bregma> dogfooding Unity 8 means following the containment story
[18:39] <bregma> if you;re not using containment and Unity 8, you;re not dogfooding Unity 8
[18:40] <bregma> (you can always hand-craft .desktop files if you really want to bypass containment, but there's no X11 server for you then)
[18:56] <mterry> josharenson, I tried to test chooser-gui on Friday, but the branch hadn't been updated?  Did you not push to LP?
[18:57] <josharenson> mterry: let me check
[18:58] <josharenson> mterry: try pulling now?
[18:59] <mterry> josharenson, got updates!  OK, will retest
[18:59] <josharenson> mterry: cool, sorry about that
[19:07] <mterry> josharenson, also, consider updating from trunk?  get nice focus fixes that way too
[19:11] <josharenson> mterry: will do, gimmie a few min to finish lunch
[19:11] <mterry> josharenson, no rush  :)
[21:56] <mterry> dandrader, still around?  https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/unity8/mirSurfaceInputBounds/+merge/298780 has a conflict?
[21:58] <dandrader> mterry, let me check...
[22:01] <dandrader> mterry, no. didn't find any conflict with trunk
[22:02] <mterry> dandrader, LP shows the conflict in debian/changelog
[22:03] <dandrader> mterry, LP web diff can get confused. I tried it locally and it merges fine
[22:03] <mterry> dandrader, why the version bump anyway?
[22:03] <dandrader> mterry, can you reproduce the conflict?
[22:03] <dandrader> mterry, because of ubuntu-keyboard dependencies
[22:03] <dandrader> iinm
[22:04] <mterry> dandrader, I can't reproduce the conflict.  so good I guess


[08:41] <tomwardill> wgrant: sorry, what's a TTB?
[08:41] <tomwardill> I can follow the rest of that
[08:41] <wgrant> tomwardill: TranslationTemplatesBuild
[08:42] <tomwardill> aha!
[08:42] <tomwardill> yes, that feels roughly analogous
[08:42] <tomwardill> thanks
[08:42] <wgrant> Takes a branch, runs some predefined stuff on it, uploads translations to LP
[08:42] <wgrant> So has no related Ubuntu series, even.
[08:42] <tomwardill> yeah, that makes sense
[10:41] <cjwatson> Agreed, I think that's the best approach
[10:42] <cjwatson> Ideally make distro_arch_series / distro_series / pocket properties of the build work based on that
[10:44] <tomwardill> yeah, that's what I think I've got
[10:44] <tomwardill> (ish, it's a bit of a mess atm, currently tidying up)
[15:17] <tomwardill> No url for <lp.oci.model.ocirecipebuild.OCIRecipeBuild object at 0x7f17e1d7d750> because <lp.oci.model.ocirecipebuild.OCIRecipeBuild object at 0x7f17e1d7d750> broke the chain.
[15:17] <tomwardill> well.
[15:18] <tomwardill> cjwatson: is that part of the work you did with the views?
[15:23] <cjwatson> tomwardill: one sec
[15:23]  * cjwatson peers at +activereviews
[15:24] <tomwardill> yeah, I just had a look through that
[15:25] <cjwatson> I could have sworn I did something here, but where
[15:25] <tomwardill> I definitely remember seeing a branch for it
[15:25] <tomwardill> because we had the discussion about the rebase chain becoming a tree
[15:25] <cjwatson> Maybe that was something else
[15:26] <cjwatson> Oh, I did OCI *project* views (4a1852da9d872d815daa0bed1dd36ef9bcc2f699)
[15:26] <cjwatson> I haven't done any recipe views, and they have no URLs defined at the moment
[15:26] <cjwatson> Do you need me to work something out there?
[15:26] <tomwardill> https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/+git/launchpad/+merge/376106
[15:26] <tomwardill> ah, yes
[15:27] <tomwardill> cjwatson: ideally if you have time, as I suspect it'd be quicker for you to do it agian than me
[15:27] <cjwatson> OK
[15:27] <cjwatson> Let me fix buildbot first
[15:28] <tomwardill> cool, I'll work around this for now and continue implementing extraBuildArgs
[17:50] <cjwatson> buildbot issues were exposed by converting away from urllib.urlopen, but I think they're fundamentally a txfixtures bug.  I've pushed https://github.com/testing-cabal/txfixtures/pull/13 which should fix that (test failures there are fixed by https://github.com/testing-cabal/txfixtures/pull/12), and I've poked Free about reviewing them
[17:51] <tomwardill> Ran 1 tests with 0 failures, 0 errors, 0 skipped in 1.038 seconds.
[17:51] <tomwardill> weeeeeee
[17:51] <tomwardill> extraBuildArgs for OCIRecipeBuildBehaviour.
[17:51] <tomwardill> Now to unpick the mess I've made, and ensure that it's actually the values that I wanted
[17:55] <tomwardill> cjwatson: that doesn't look like it was a whole lot of fun to find
[18:39] <cjwatson> tomwardill: Not exactly
[23:21] <cjwatson> lifeless: Thanks for the testing-cabal invite.  Do you think I could have PyPI access to txfixtures?
[23:21] <lifeless> cjwatson: of course
[23:22] <lifeless> I wish pypi had teams
[23:22] <cjwatson> Yeah, totally
[23:25] <lifeless> added you to a few random projects
[23:26] <cjwatson> Thanks, I like randomness
[23:27] <lifeless> speaking of random, you should consider porting launchpad to rust
[23:28] <cjwatson> A nice small project
[23:28] <lifeless> side project for when you're not busy
[23:29] <cjwatson> :)
[23:29] <lifeless> but this is actually a serious suggestion
[23:30] <lifeless> I've been watching the way you've been adding things in - more and more microservice style additions
[23:30] <lifeless> which is great
[23:30] <lifeless> I presume you're ported or nearly so to run live on py3 at this point
[23:31] <lifeless> which means you'll have mypy gradual typing
[23:32] <lifeless> anyhow, point is that rust productivity has been steadily climbing (as has golangs for fairness), but in the last 6-12 months I think things have gotten to the point where for production services, developer productivity now exceeds that of python
[23:33] <cjwatson> Released txfixtures 0.4.3
[23:34] <lifeless> so I think if Launchpad wants to be around for another 5-10 years, a sensible question to ask is what is the most developer efficient platform for it to be in, and a dead-end fork of an experimental branch of Zope probably isn't it :)
[23:34] <cjwatson> It's conceivable that we'd look at Rust for an experimental service at some point, though there's some politics too of course
[23:34] <lifeless> the rest of the conclusions pretty much follow :P
[23:34] <cjwatson> I don't think it's really true that we're on a dead-end fork of Zope any more - I upgraded to newest versions of everything late last year
[23:35] <cjwatson> Certainly Zope has less mindshare and I want to get off e.g. zope.server
[23:35] <lifeless> I retract my statements then
[23:35] <lifeless> I had thought that a lot of the stuff we had was experiments that never gained traction
[23:35] <cjwatson> I don't disagree with everything you say, although there is the minor practical note that I haven't learned Rust yet :)
[23:36] <cjwatson> I think we are probably in a better situation upstream-wise than you remember
[23:36] <lifeless> well done, thats fantastic news
[23:37] <cjwatson> At the moment I think we have two small zope.* forks
[23:37] <lifeless> I think you will very much like rust
[23:37] <lifeless> and hey - its Gnome aligned :P
[23:38] <cjwatson> zope.session to stick with an old session cookie algorithm, and zope.testrunner for a couple of tweaks to test ID handling and some changes to thread leak handling (I got all the subunit stuff back upstream again, which was the big chunk)
[23:43] <cjwatson> I think I take a more incrementalist attitude (it was ever thus); there's still a lot we can do to move LP onto things developers find familiar, and at the moment (modulo finishing the py3 port) I think we're in a good position to migrate to them gradually
[23:44] <cjwatson> while possibly looking to entirely different platforms for microservices
[23:44] <lifeless> certainly any migration would have to be incremental :P
[23:47]  * cjwatson sleeps
[23:47] <lifeless> night! thanks for the chat


[04:57] <willem> sublevel, thanks. I'll have a look at sources.list; but all I know is that I did not edit it myself.
[12:49] <sublevel> willem: may be useful to tell the channel what version xubuntu, if it's fresh install or upgrade,  and if you're installed any software via something other than apt or the Software store GUI
[16:09] <ali1234> did someone just clean out the ml spam filter?
[16:34] <willem> sublevel, sorry, you're right: I should've made clear: I'm testing 18.10 at the moment. I had a look at the sources list, commented out line 52 and now all's well again.
[16:35] <willem> I can not realy think how this situation came about.
[20:53] <ochosi> evening all
[21:01] <bluesabre> evening ochosi
[21:01] <ochosi> heya
[21:01] <ochosi> what's new? i've been afk for a while (at least if feels that way)
[21:01] <bluesabre> how's it going?
[21:02] <bluesabre> not much, git migrations, couple podcasts about xubuntu, recharging the batteries
[21:02] <ochosi> good good, quite busy and a bit of coding fatigue tbh :)
[21:03] <ochosi> plus the weather is recently nice outside
[21:05] <bluesabre> :)
[21:05] <bluesabre> It's been absurdly hot here this past week
[21:06] <ochosi> neat
[21:06] <ochosi> i mean at least if you don't have to sit in an office wearing a suit
[21:07] <bluesabre> yeah
[21:07] <bluesabre> office is pretty lax in regard to that
[21:08] <bluesabre> the two sides of the office constantly battle over the thermostat, so the temp fluctuates all day
[21:08] <ochosi> i guess that's good..?
[21:09] <bluesabre> keeps me awake at least :D
[21:11] <ochosi> other than the git transition, i guess we should focus on getting the upstream stuff that's left in shape
[21:12] <ochosi> i started contributing a bit to thunar-vcs to get the thunar plugin situation sorted a bit
[21:12] <bluesabre> nice
[21:12] <ochosi> and i guess -settings is another big one
[21:12] <bluesabre> xfconf is the blocker for it all
[21:12] <ochosi> but i'd rather focus on fixing a few remaining panel issues (apart from the deprecation warnings, which are obviously legion)
[21:12] <ochosi> yeah, we mostly need testing there i guess
[21:12] <ochosi> at what the regression potential is
[21:14] <bluesabre> probably minimal, but lots of things need rebuilt for it
[21:17] <ochosi> right
[21:17] <ochosi> maybe that's not as bad as it sounds
[21:22] <bluesabre> yeah, it's not
[21:23] <bluesabre> just effort, and if something fails to build, a few minutes turns into a few hours
[21:35] <ochosi> bluesabre: i guess there's no way to just rebuild the first half, that also makes it harder...
[21:35] <ochosi> in terms of signing up for it
[21:40] <bluesabre> Yeah. Will probably try to get that started in the next week or so.
[22:05] <ochosi> that sounds nice, will give us a lot of time for testing


[04:59] <studiobot> Rogman was added by: Rogman
[12:32] <nnn70> Hey
[17:27]  * OvenWerks wonders what Eickmeyer will do when he actually finds good docs
[18:56] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: I'll probably die of shock.
[20:28] <studiobot> Rogman was removed by: Rogman


[01:52] <marquezini> hey gays
[01:52] <marquezini> sorry, guys..
[01:52] <marquezini> i mean, guys
[01:55] <marquezini> hi sublevel
[01:57] <krytarik> marquezini: Do you have a support question?
[01:58] <marquezini> i need know the best distro for my note
[01:58] <krytarik> Xubuntu obviously..
[01:58] <marquezini> a n3700 p4 notebook 4giga ... xubuntu works well
[01:59] <marquezini> i will try
[07:51] <odc> Unit193: hi! Could you please update xfwm4 in the experimental PPA? There is a very annoying bug for hidpi users which has been fixed in git.
[07:52] <Unit193> It's already up to date.
[07:52] <odc> Unit193: i don't think it contains https://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfwm4/commit/?id=be929b2ad13a9a8ccd94ca3041b1af9d287b4a8f
[07:54] <Unit193> Nope, as that was after the 4.13.1 release.
[07:54] <odc> argh
[10:51] <Babloyi> hi! I wanted to mess around with themes in xubuntu, and found some nice dark ones, but it seems they are not able to adjust the titlebar gradient or the titlebar font colour or the titlebar dropdown shadow http://www.ags.pics/iYR.png
[10:52] <Babloyi> could someone point me to where these would be fixed from?
[10:52] <Babloyi> or some string to search for or something
[10:57] <someone235> Hi, once in a while I get a message "Your screen is locked, you will be redirected in few seconds", and then my screen is unresponsive, and even ctrl+alt+f1 doesn't do a thing. Someone had this issue and knows how to solve it?
[11:00] <brainwash> someone235: I would switch to a TTY, login, and then "killall light-locker"
[11:02] <someone235> brainwash, how can I switch to tty? ctrl+alt+f1 doesn't do a thing
[11:03] <brainwash> f2 then
[11:04] <someone235> I think I tried f1-6
[11:07] <brainwash> and nothing?


[07:22] <mborzecki> morning
[07:30] <mardy> mborzecki: hi!
[07:33] <mborzecki> mardy: hey, anything interesting on thu/fri?
[07:43] <mardy> mborzecki: can't recall, but it may also be that my memory tends to wane faster during the weekends :-)
[08:04] <pstolowski> morning
[08:06] <mardy> pstolowski: hi!
[08:06] <mardy> and mvo :-)
[08:06] <mardy> do we have spread tests which run the debian/ubuntu postrm script?
[08:06] <mvo> good morning pstolowski and mardy and mborzecki
[08:06] <mborzecki> pstolowski: mvo hey
[08:07] <mardy> (just wondering because I've a small fix to that, and if the tests don't exercise it, then I'd add the skip-spread label)
[08:07] <mvo> mardy: iirc we have something called postrm-purge and snapmgmt
[08:07] <mardy> mvo: ok, no skip-spread then :-)
[08:07] <mvo> mborzecki: will it be hard to have a spread test for 11039?
[08:08] <mvo> mardy: is something broken?
[08:08] <mvo> mardy: oh, I see there is a new pr from you, let me look
[08:09] <mardy> mvo: not that seriously, but we got a bug report in LP last week
[08:09] <mup> PR snapd#11055 opened: packaging: make postrm script robust against `rm` failures <Simple 😃> <Created by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11055>
[08:10] <mborzecki> mvo: a reliable test for this may be tricky
[08:10] <mborzecki> i'll take a look, maybe getting something sensible it's that complicated
[08:28] <mup> PR core20#118 closed: hooks: change folder where to save bootcharts <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/core20/pull/118>
[09:09] <mup> PR snapd#11040 closed: o/snapstate: remove repeated test assertions <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by MiguelPires> <Merged by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11040>
[09:45] <mborzecki> anyone seen this? https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/JTcr7WxtdC/ snap-confine gets blocked by apparmor when trying to enumerate devices
[09:58] <pstolowski> mvo: hey, should I look at https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11050#issuecomment-968698673 and add --quiet?
[09:58] <mup> PR #11050: tests: the `lxd` test is failing right now on 21.10 <Flaky Test> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11050>
[10:03] <mvo> pstolowski: yes please! one complication is that older version of systemd do not have --quiet so we need to add a version check and do a little bit of digging when exactly --quiet got added
[10:04] <mvo> pstolowski: but should be hopefully straightfoward :)
[10:04] <pstolowski> mvo: great, good you mentioned this, i didn't know that. will do
[10:06] <mvo> pstolowski: my pleasure
[10:29] <mborzecki> mvo: ok, i've modified existing device cgroup test in 11039 and hopefully it will be stable
[10:29] <mborzecki> pushing in a bit
[10:29] <mvo> mborzecki: \o/
[10:44] <mborzecki> mvo: and pushed, please take a look
[10:54] <mvo> mborzecki: looking now (but will have a meeting soon), first glance looks very encouraging :)
[10:55] <mup> PR snapd#10907 closed: interfaces: timezone-control, add permission for ListTimezones DBus call <Squash-merge> <Created by ogra1> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10907>
[10:55] <mborzecki> damn, got another reminder about hr tranings
[10:57] <pstolowski> mvo: pushed as a draft, let's see how spread likes it
[10:59] <mvo> pstolowski: \o/
[11:00] <mup> PR snapd#11056 opened: Append --quiet to udevadm trigger ... calls with newer systemd (>=248) <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11056>
[11:02] <pstolowski> mvo: i'm slightly confused about what may cause an error with trigger; i couldn't provoke any error by calling trigger manually on 21.10 with silly properties for example
[11:02] <pstolowski> but maybe it's very specific to running inside lxc
[11:14] <mup> PR snapcraft#3595 opened: set lzo compression by default in kde-neon extension <Created by jriddell> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3595>
[11:25] <mvo> pstolowski: it seems to be super specific
[11:25] <mvo> pstolowski: your PR seems to fail on spellcheck or something, let me know if I can help
[11:26] <pstolowski> ah, sorry, let me fix that
[13:05] <mup> PR snapd#11031 closed: interfaces/u2f-devices: add Trezor and Trezor v2 keys (https://launchpad.net/bugs/1947746) <Squash-merge> <cherry-picked> <Created by oSoMoN> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11031>
[13:27] <mborzecki> meh, something changed in sid and tumbleweed and our session prepare is failing now
[14:46] <mup> PR snapd#10921 closed: osutil/disks: add more fields to Partition, populate them during discovery <Simple 😃> <Run nested> <Created by anonymouse64> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10921>
[14:51] <mup> PR snapd#11048 closed: o/snapstate/handlers: propagate read errors on "copy-snap-data" <Simple 😃> <Created by mardy> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11048>
[14:51] <ijohnson[m]> \o/
[14:51]  * ijohnson[m] hugs mvo for the merge
[14:51] <mvo> yw!
[14:56] <mup> PR snapd#10878 closed: interfaces/builtin/time-control: allow pps access <Squash-merge> <Created by kubiko> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10878>
[15:01] <mup> PR snapd#11039 closed: cmd/libsnap-confine-private: do not deny all devices when reusing the device cgroup <⚠ Critical> <Squash-merge> <Security-High> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11039>
[15:05] <mvo> pstolowski: I guess we can mark 11056 as "ready" from "draft" ? or is there anything you feel is missing?
[15:05] <pstolowski> mvo: yes, done
[15:18] <mvo> pstolowski: and I assume squash-merge for 11056 is okay too?
[15:20] <pstolowski> mvo: sure
[15:26] <ijohnson[m]> mardy: I left a suggestion about the microstack spread test
[15:26] <zyga-mbp> hey mvo :)
[15:29] <ijohnson[m]> also reviews for https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10807 would be great if anybody has some free time before they EOD 🙂
[15:29] <mup> PR #10807: tests/nested/manual/core20-cloud-init-maas-signed-seed-data: add gadget variant <Squash-merge> <Test Robustness> <Run nested> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10807>
[15:29] <ijohnson[m]> hey zyga-mbp feeling better ?
[15:30] <zyga-mbp> yes, I hopefully no long-term damage
[15:30] <zyga-mbp> I'm recovering nicely
[15:30] <ijohnson[m]> that's good news
[15:30] <ijohnson[m]> some of my friends got covid even after they got the vaccine but it was mild and went away quickly for them
[15:30] <zyga-mbp> I had a bit of a scary moment but I think the worse is over
[15:31] <mup> PR snapd#11043 closed: gadget: include size + sector-size in DiskVolumeDeviceTraits <Simple 😃> <Needs Samuele review> <Skip spread> <Created by anonymouse64> <Merged by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11043>
[15:35] <jawn-smith> mvo: We're getting some more requests to add the --validation flag to ubuntu-image. Have there been any updates on LP: #1948838 ?
[15:35] <mup> Bug #1948838: Snapd can no longer be imported as a Go module <snapd:New> <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1948838>
[15:40] <ijohnson[m]> pstolowski: hey have you seen auto-refresh failures like this one ? https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/vTQ7qFW6g7/
[15:41] <ijohnson[m]> I've seen that one a few times before and mentioned it in the SU doc, but I don't know that anyone ever looked into it
[15:41] <ijohnson[m]> I'm inclined to mark it as a flaky test for someone to look into at some point
[15:41] <ijohnson[m]> (i.e. keep running the test but make a LP bug with the flaky-tests tag on it)
[15:42] <pstolowski> ijohnson[m]: i remember you mentioning it and looked at it but couldn't reproduce. let me try once again. i suspect the test isn't just waiting long enough for refresh
[15:42] <ijohnson[m]> ok, do you want me to file a LP bug about it so we don't forget ?
[15:43] <pstolowski> ijohnson[m]: i wouldn't disable this test though as this is the only test we have for the gate-auto-refresh hook
[15:43] <ijohnson[m]> right I wasn't suggesting disabling it, just not sure if you would find it helpful to have a LP bug about it
[15:43] <pstolowski> ijohnson[m]: that would be great, thank you
[15:43] <ijohnson[m]> if you're going to look into immediately and try to fix it then maybe not worth it
[15:43] <ijohnson[m]> pstolowski: ack I will file a bug and assign it to you then
[15:44] <pstolowski> ijohnson[m]: ty
[15:45] <ijohnson[m]> np
[16:46] <pstolowski> ijohnson[m]: no luck in reproducing (of course), maybe this will help https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11057
[16:46] <mup> PR #11057: tests: print extra debug on auto-refresh-gating test failure <Simple 😃> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11057>
[16:46] <mup> PR snapd#11057 opened: tests: print extra debug on auto-refresh-gating test failure <Simple 😃> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11057>
[18:42] <mup> PR snapd#11058 opened: interfaces/udev: fix installing snaps inside lxd in 21.10 <⚠ Critical> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11058>
[20:07] <mup> PR snapd#11044 closed: interfaces/builtin/block_devices: allow blkid to print block device attributes <cherry-picked> <Created by woodrow-shen> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11044>
[22:13] <mup> PR snapd#11059 opened: release: 2.53.2 <Simple 😃> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11059>
[22:33] <mup> PR snapd#11060 opened: gadget/install: use disks functions to implement deviceFromRole, also rename <Simple 😃> <Run nested> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11060>
[23:53] <mup> PR snapd#11059 closed: release: 2.53.2 <Simple 😃> <Created by anonymouse64> <Merged by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11059>
[23:58] <mup> PR snapd#11061 opened: packaging: merge changelog for 2.53.2 back to master <Simple 😃> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11061>


[11:33] <cmaloney> morning
[11:33] <cmaloney> reminder: MUG meeting tonight
[11:33] <cmaloney> 6:30pm sharp
[11:35] <Scary_Guy> oh awesome, I completely forgot.  which might have been a good thing since my car is in the shop :(
[11:35] <cmaloney> Ugh
[11:35] <Scary_Guy> died Thursday on I-94 going to Wayne for another meetup
[11:36] <Scary_Guy> know anyone coming from the east side?
[11:37] <cmaloney> not sure
[11:37] <cmaloney> For all I know my car will be in the shop. Taking it in today at 10am
[11:37] <Scary_Guy> well if anyone wants to swing by Madison Heights on the way I'll go.  Failing that I'm probably not going to make it this month
[11:38] <Scary_Guy> what's wrong with yours?
[11:38] <cmaloney> hard shifting
[11:38] <cmaloney> Think it might be a firmware fix
[11:38] <Scary_Guy> lol, that would be the best kind of fix
[11:38] <Scary_Guy> unless it fails in the middle of flashing
[11:39] <cmaloney> Yeah, that's always a concern
[11:39] <cmaloney> so I'm sort of playing it by ear.
[11:39] <Scary_Guy> but easy as you don't really have to swap out any parts
[11:40] <Scary_Guy> I think mine is a water pump issue
[11:40] <cmaloney> Ugh
[11:42] <Scary_Guy> I can't complain too much though.  arguably the best car I've ever had
[11:43] <cmaloney> which car is this?
[11:43] <Scary_Guy> almost two years and the only other major issue recently was new front tires
[11:43] <Scary_Guy> Subaru 2003 Legacy (Canadian)
[11:44] <Scary_Guy> not as cool as the hearses I used to drive but AWD and the gas mileage is much better
[11:44] <cmaloney> Ah, the polite model
[11:44] <Scary_Guy> reduced trunk space is annoying though
[11:44] <cmaloney> Well, with a hearse you literally could put a few people back there.
[11:45] <Scary_Guy> and have :)
[11:45] <Scary_Guy> always fun doing the dream cruise with a bunch of friends in the back
[11:45] <cmaloney> My parents have a car that we joke is the mafia-edition. It has a trunk that would go for about $1,000 per month in SOMA.
[11:46] <cmaloney> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_of_Market,_San_Francisco
[11:51] <Scary_Guy> if I could afford it ever I'd get this: http://www.rosewoodclassiccoach.com/grand-vista-coach/
[11:53] <cmaloney> wow
[15:10] <greg-g> My subaru must really be identifying with being a Californian now, it keeps giving me the P420 fault code (catalytic converter)
[15:11] <rick_h_> greg-g: hah
[15:11] <rick_h_> greg-g: 60k miles?
[15:11] <rick_h_> greg-g: seems like each of ours went that path right around then
[15:11] <greg-g> 130k
[15:11] <greg-g> 2002
[15:11] <rick_h_> oh, nice
[15:12] <greg-g> just paid $800 to replace both cats and both o2 sensors to get it smog'd, but now ~3 weeks later I get the same code (well, minus the o2 sensor ones)
[15:12] <rick_h_> oh, well that's no good
[15:12] <rick_h_> ugh, and with inspections/etc :/
[15:12] <greg-g> yeah, and to sell a car here it needs to be smog'd first
[15:12] <greg-g> yup
[15:12] <rick_h_> always hated the 02 sensor. Just a $$ thing to get done for what it is
[15:13] <rick_h_> well, I mean it's more $$ than you'd think
[15:13] <greg-g> yeah
[15:13] <jrwren> yup, but very important sensor for clean burn.
[15:13] <greg-g> so, going to call the dude and see what's up (glad I bought one of those OBDII bluetooth thingies)
[15:17] <cmaloney> Sitting at the dealership awaiting a firmware update for the transmission.
[15:18] <cmaloney> Listerning to CNN try to diagnose Donald Trump
[15:18] <cmaloney> amidst Donald Trump ads.
[15:19] <rick_h_> ugh, I send you wishes that your headphones work well
[15:20] <cmaloney> Heh, I decided to forego the headphones
[15:20] <cmaloney> starting to regret my life's choices.
[15:21] <rick_h_> doh
[15:21] <cmaloney> heh
[15:21] <cmaloney> It's all good
[15:21] <cmaloney> honestly I don't understand how anyone can be sympathetic
[15:21] <cmaloney> (to Trump)
[15:23] <cmaloney> and sitting here looking at Javascript one more time
[15:36] <cmaloney> https://stackoverflow.com/jobs/112588/wanted-dangerous-php-developer-network-merchants-llc?offset=3&med=site-ui&ref=jobs-tab&sort=i <- Isn't this pretty much implied?


[00:52] <LaserJock> should Edubuntu do something for Ubuntu Open Week?
[01:12] <akgraner> LaserJock, if you want to.. we have slots
[01:13] <LaserJock> akgraner: yikes!  I don't know which one, motu, edubuntu something... I'm going to be around here or at #ltsp for many hours each day for the foreseeable years, so I don't know, wouldn't it be a good thing to be part of some team?
[02:26] <LaserJock> alkisg: sure!
[02:26] <alkisg> Where do you think I should start?
[02:26] <LaserJock> alkisg: what do you want to work on? LTSP and friends?
[02:26] <alkisg> LTSP and setting up ubuntu in a school environment with standalone PCs
[02:27] <LaserJock> that sounds pretty Edubuntu to me
[02:27] <alkisg> To me too :)
[02:27] <LaserJock> there's some stuff coming along involving upload rights in Ubuntu
[02:27] <LaserJock> the whole Universe and Main thing is going away
[02:28] <alkisg> And it'll be replaced with what?
[02:28] <LaserJock> and instead there will be package groups, each with it's own Launchpad team with permissions
[02:28] <LaserJock> and then a group of generalists who can upload anything (like the current Core Developers)
[02:29] <LaserJock> I created the ~edubuntu-dev team in preparation of that
[02:29] <alkisg> Oooo sounds good :) But what will happen to motu or the other framework?
[02:29] <LaserJock> MOTU will basically disappear
[02:29] <LaserJock> in the sense that they will either get "promoted" to the generalists or go to a team upload list
[02:30] <LaserJock> I'm hoping in the future the Edubuntu Council will be able to not only give Edubuntu Membership but also Edubuntu upload rights
[02:30] <LaserJock> I'm not sure how long that will take, most of the technical parts are in place now
[02:30] <LaserJock> but I think it might take a release or two before all the governance and policies are worked out
[02:31] <LaserJock> *anyway* I think ~edubuntu-dev would be a good team for you to shoot for
[02:31] <alkisg> I understand... well, no problem for me, I have about 20 years in education ahead of me :)
[02:31] <LaserJock> Ubuntu is also currently moving to using bzr for packaging
[02:31] <LaserJock> do you know bzr?
[02:32] <alkisg> I've used it a little, I have a branch in launchpad
[02:32] <alkisg> But not a lot, I only know the 10 minute tour :)
[02:33] <alkisg> So how do I prepare to apply for edubuntu-devs? Is it like applying for a motu, i.e. set up a wiki page with a small cv etc?
[02:35] <LaserJock> alkisg: are you an Edubuntu Member yet?
[02:36] <alkisg> Nope :(
[02:36] <LaserJock> alkisg: let's fix that first then
[02:36] <alkisg> (maybe I should start there!)
[02:36] <LaserJock> we don't have a defined policy yet for edubuntu-dev
[02:36] <LaserJock> so I don't know exactly what to tell you there
[02:37] <LaserJock> but I don't think it'll be as hard as MOTU
[02:37] <LaserJock> we just want to be reasonably sure you're not going to total screw up the packages :-)
[02:37] <alkisg> OK. I'll gather up some of the stuff I've been involved with in any case, to better "present" myself...
[02:38] <LaserJock> alkisg: excellent
[02:38] <alkisg> Don't worry about that, I'm not going to be directly commiting anything in the first months!!!
[02:38] <LaserJock> alkisg: well, the beauty of doing it in bzr is that you can commit you're changes and then I can merge, review, and then upload
[02:38] <alkisg> It took me about 1 year to find the "courage" to upload my code to my launchpad branch, because I didn't want it to show up in the history incomplete! :D
[02:38] <LaserJock> s/I/stgraber/ most likely
[02:39] <LaserJock> heh
[02:39] <LaserJock> alkisg: I'd sure like to see more of you're scripts making it into Ubuntu/Edubuntu
[02:40] <LaserJock> *your
[02:41] <alkisg> I'd love to, but right know they're pretty focused to how we setup labs here in Greece. This year I'm going to develop a series of script and another 100-page manual for standalone lab setups, and from the next year I'd like to try to put as much of those as I can upstream...
[02:41] <alkisg> *now
[02:42] <alkisg> ...so, a libpam-sshfs for authenticating students + mounting their homes (instead of ldap/nfs), and a users-manager with lots of administrative functions...
[02:43] <balsaqgoingforit> slightly off topic question here buy buntu for sure?
[02:44] <balsaqgoingforit> but* not buy
[02:44] <balsaqgoingforit> ok?
[02:44] <alkisg> Shoot :)
[02:44] <alkisg> LaserJock, anyway, about the shutdown thing... it's used in the italc code, and now it calls gdm-signal -h, which isn't installed and even if one installs it, it doesn't work...
[02:45] <alkisg> So any other ways to do it would be appreciated :)
[02:45] <balsaqgoingforit> running ubuntu 904, put xubuntu in cd tray fro fun, turn it on , ran for a bit now have icon on desk and a windoew which says "a volume with software has been detected" cancel or start pkg manager
[02:46] <balsaqgoingforit> is it trying to simply run it off live disc or did i do an install...my desk still look like ubuntu904
[02:46] <balsaqgoingforit> dics still in tray as we speak
[02:47] <alkisg> That's an "autorun" feature, to help people install packages from cds
[02:48] <alkisg> You don't want to install anything from there, so you just close it and nothing's changed...
[02:48] <balsaqgoingforit> so i havent installed it yet?
[02:48] <alkisg> Nope, unless you pressed "yes" and selected packages and pressed OK and you saw it install stuff :)
[02:49] <balsaqgoingforit> i wanted 2 parttitions...1. ubuntu with FF     and     2. xubuntu with opera
[02:49] <balsaqgoingforit> ended up with this?
[02:49] <LaserJock> alkisg: the problem is Gnome has really done a poor job of matching features of the "old" GDM with the new one
[02:50] <balsaqgoingforit> the black screens flew by so fast when i planned to partition that i coouldnt even read them
[02:50] <LaserJock> alkisg: so I think almost all the command line utilities (gdmsetup for instance) are gone
[02:50] <alkisg> LaserJock: I think gnome-power-cmd used hal, which is deprecated in karmic, but I don't see any similar calls...
[02:50] <balsaqgoingforit> so all i di was install an installer helper
[02:50] <LaserJock> alkisg: I think hal was replaced with devicekit if I remember right, I could be wrong though
[02:51] <alkisg> LaserJock: (gnome-power-cmd runs fine in Jaunty and does what we want, but I don't see any similar functions in devicekit)
[02:51] <LaserJock> alkisg: so the users won't have sudo access? you couldn't run some sort of gksudo command?
[02:51] <balsaqgoingforit> if i click on the installer manager, whats going to happen
[02:51] <alkisg> We'd have to put them to sudoers, and/or need a password, which invalidates the "remote admin" part of italc
[02:52] <LaserJock> alkisg: could you send me an email detailing the problem? I can send it to ubuntu-devel to get more attention
[02:53] <alkisg> OK, will do.
[02:54] <balsaqgoingforit> can someone assist me with this?
[02:54] <alkisg> balsaqgoingforit: could you be more specific about what your currect situation is, and what you're trying to accomplish?
[02:56] <balsaqgoingforit> am running ubuntu 904, wanted to have 2 partitions, 1. ubuntu, 2. xubuntu.....put xubuntu in cd tray booted it, now have xubuntu on my ubuntu desktop with a package manager thing asking me if i want to open it with the package manager...am i getting done what i set out o do?
[02:57] <balsaqgoingforit> exteremely new here...5 days old
[02:57] <alkisg> balsaqgoingforit: run this in a terminal: blkid
[02:57] <balsaqgoingforit> i dont even know what a terminal is sorry
[02:58] <alkisg> Go to the "Applications" menu, then accessories, then terminal
[02:58] <balsaqgoingforit> may i ask why?
[02:58] <alkisg> That will tell us what partitions you already have
[02:59] <balsaqgoingforit> well all i ever did was wipe out w98 and out in ubuntu so i have 1
[02:59] <alkisg> In the default ubuntu installation, you get 2
[02:59] <balsaqgoingforit> so 2
[02:59] <alkisg> Well, if you ran this command, we'd be sure...
[02:59] <balsaqgoingforit> never did anything else wiped out w98 when i did it
[03:00] <balsaqgoingforit> ok here goes
[03:00] <balsaqgoingforit> ill leave this pkg manager twindow in front of me for now
[03:00] <alkisg> OK
[03:01] <balsaqgoingforit> did it
[03:01] <alkisg> Now paste here the output of the command
[03:02] <balsaqgoingforit> on on a diff computer nnow the one we are workin on is not on the internet
[03:03] <alkisg> OK, how many /dev/sdaX did you see there?
[03:03] <balsaqgoingforit> 3 dev things
[03:03] <alkisg> ...and what "System" each one of those were?
[03:03] <alkisg> Linux, swap, and ??
[03:03] <alkisg> extended?
[03:04] <alkisg> (win95 lba or however that is called?)
[03:04] <balsaqgoingforit> sdal uuid, sda5 uuid  loop0 type squashfs
[03:04] <balsaqgoingforit> opps sdal for the 1st one too
[03:04] <alkisg> Here, see mine:
[03:05] <alkisg>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[03:05] <alkisg> /dev/sda1               1        5337    42868736+   7  HPFS/NTFS
[03:05] <alkisg> /dev/sda2   *        5338        9253    31455270   83  Linux
[03:05] <alkisg> /dev/sda3            9254       13169    31453474+  83  Linux
[03:05] <alkisg> /dev/sda4           13169       30401   138417835+  83  Linux
[03:05] <balsaqgoingforit> yeah 1st time i wrote it right
[03:05] <balsaqgoingforit> so how many partitions
[03:05] <alkisg> I have 4 /dev/sda? partitions, one of them being NTFS, and 3 of them Linux
[03:05] <alkisg> How many do *you* have?
[03:06] <balsaqgoingforit> i 5 lines but only 3 lines have the /dev at the beginning
[03:06] <alkisg> balsaqgoingforit: anyway, here's what you need to do: you need to *manually* partition your disk
[03:06] <alkisg> You need to create another partition for xubuntu to go there
[03:06] <alkisg> But it's a long story, so it's not easy to do that with someone helping you in irc
[03:07] <balsaqgoingforit> now can i just dump it the whole xubuntu thing
[03:07] <alkisg> So you need to find an article on google and read it, to see how you can manually create a new partition
[03:07] <alkisg> No. You didn't install xubuntu
[03:07] <alkisg> You only have a standard ubuntu installation
[03:07] <balsaqgoingforit> no it was supposed to offer me the partition while in the black screens they told me   now i want to erase xubuntu ok
[03:08] <alkisg> To install 2 operating systems, you need to do some reading about partitionioning
[03:08] <balsaqgoingforit> yeah my error let dump it
[03:08] <balsaqgoingforit> can i dump it
[03:08] <alkisg> Sure you can close it
[03:09] <balsaqgoingforit> want to dump the icon too and not leave any traces in here is that easy too do
[03:09] <alkisg> Just unmount and eject the cd :)
[03:09] <alkisg> You didn't install anything from the xubuntu CD (if I understood correctly what you did)
[03:09] <balsaqgoingforit> wont come out of tray
[03:10] <alkisg> You need to unmount it first
[03:10] <balsaqgoingforit> maybe cause the pkg manager is waiting for me
[03:10] <balsaqgoingforit> will hit cancel on pkg manager
[03:10] <balsaqgoingforit> ?
[03:10] <alkisg> Yeah, close all programs that use it, right click on the cd icon and select unmount
[03:10] <alkisg> Yes, close the pkg manager :)
[03:11] <balsaqgoingforit> whew gonezo
[03:11] <balsaqgoingforit> now lets see if i can get the cd out
[03:11] <balsaqgoingforit> oh byeah yur good
[03:12] <balsaqgoingforit> now did i just put lilexe or dll's in my reg messinround like this?
[03:12] <balsaqgoingforit> just killed w98...want a nice clean buntu here ya know
[03:13] <alkisg> There are no DLLs or registry in Ubuntu. And no, you didn't install anything.
[03:13] <balsaqgoingforit> cool...tried to get a lil fancy fro my level of expertise....i am brand spankin new witht htis stuff
[03:13] <balsaqgoingforit> thank you
[03:14] <alkisg> You're welcome
[03:14] <balsaqgoingforit> was in xubuntu and a guy was telling me how to do it but it didnt play out as he said it would...the black screens never gave me achance to dual partition it just flew by me
[03:15] <balsaqgoingforit> when i killed w98 i saw that oppertunity so i thought i could do it
[03:17] <balsaqgoingforit> thanks again...back to ubuntu
[03:58] <dinda> geez akgraner you're everywhere!  :)
[04:01] <LaserJock> she's evvvvvvvery where .... <spooky ghost music>
[04:01] <LaserJock> alkisg: still around?
[04:03] <dinda> LaserJock: howdy!  i've been sifting through the edubuntu -dev list archive trying to see where things are with the project
[04:03]  * LaserJock hides
[04:04] <alkisg> LaserJock: pong
[04:05] <LaserJock> alkisg: I got a little confused, is this on an LTSP setup?
[04:05] <alkisg> The italc thing? No, it's for standalone pcs
[04:05] <LaserJock> alkisg: i.e. what exactly are you shutting down with iTalic
[04:05] <alkisg> A remote standalone pc
[04:05] <LaserJock> alkisg: OK good, my understanding of LTSP is restored :-)
[04:05] <alkisg> Heh :)
[04:06] <alkisg> To make this simpler: how can I shutdown my own pc from a script?
[04:06] <alkisg> (without sudo etc). ^^^ that also answers the italc question...
[04:08] <LaserJock> yeah
[06:07] <balsaq> question about the apllication open office word processor anyone here using itoften?
[06:08] <balsaq> specifically about saving a file
[06:11] <balsaq> when i finished writing the word file it quickly did something like it was saving it for me...before i chose to name it (prefer to save as) and before i chose where i wanted to put it. in the end i did name it abd saved it to my desktop....but am wondering now if is saved twice and if so where it is becasue i dont want it in here twice?
[08:08] <Balsaq> !word
[12:21] <alkisg> ogra, (thanks!) pinging you becase LaserJock's not around, what do we do with the (now unsupported) Gutsy ltsp-related bugs? I'm thinking to ask the reporters if the bug still exists for them, and close them if there's no reply in 2 weeks... Example: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/243522 (of course I'll keep the ones that I know are still valid, e.g. #159526)
[15:21] <Ahmuck_Sr> http://pastebin.be/21162
[15:31] <ogra> alkisg1, feel free to close all bugs that are for unsupported releases with a note that they are EOL ...
[21:47] <Yan> Hi!
[21:47] <Yan> anyone here?
[21:51] <Yan> any developers here?
[21:58] <alkisg> ace_suares, hi, what's the meeting time on Friday?