[03:14] <Gizmo3D> any 18.04 guru's around?
[03:16] <sarnold> it depends on the question
[03:17] <Gizmo3D> ah! root is 100% full, sda is 2tb, but sda3 appears not being used
[03:20] <Gizmo3D> would you know the proper procedure to extend
[03:21] <sarnold> was the intention to use sda3 for /home and it wasn't? how did it come to be partitioned in a way that one partition isn't used?
[03:22] <Gizmo3D> not sure, was a clean load, all space should be avail to root
[03:23] <Gizmo3D> i didn't specify any partitooning during install
[03:23] <bindi> did you just install?
[03:23] <Gizmo3D> yesterday
[03:23] <bindi> reinstall and do it properly
[03:24] <Gizmo3D> i wish, i put into production before i noticed space was messed up
[03:24] <AndyChow888> Hey Gizmo3D. What's your issue?
[03:25] <Gizmo3D> root full, sda is 2tb, sda3 doesn't seem to be a part of it
[03:26] <AndyChow888> What's your output on lsblk?
[03:27] <Gizmo3D> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Jyh8VYQNCV/
[03:28] <AndyChow888> Well, your / is on sda3, it's just the lvm that is 4G, instead of 1.8T
[03:29] <Gizmo3D> so how can i fix that
[03:31] <AndyChow888> You could do something like "lvextend -L+1T", as su. That would give you an extra terabyte.
[03:32] <Gizmo3D> syntax
[03:38] <AndyChow888> Gizmo3D, give me the outputs of pvscan and lvdisplay
[03:39] <Gizmo3D> k 1 sec
[03:41] <Gizmo3D> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/XqHhHmCnWG/
[03:44] <AndyChow888> So 0"lvextend -L+1T /dev/ubuntu-vg/ubuntu-lv"
[03:46] <Gizmo3D> k that seems to have worked but.. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/K4HyQ63GDq/
[03:50] <Gizmo3D> i see the /dev/mapper.... still at 100%
[03:51] <AndyChow888> Can you run df -lh?
[03:51] <AndyChow888> I can't read your output
[03:51] <Gizmo3D> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/NjX8r8zf6s/
[03:53] <Gizmo3D> how about: resize2fs /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-ubuntu--lv
[03:54] <AndyChow888> Oh, are you using encryption?
[03:54] <AndyChow888> Gizmo3D, don
[03:54] <AndyChow888> 't resize2fs on a mounted partition.
[03:54] <Gizmo3D> not that i'm aware of
[03:55] <Gizmo3D> thus i asked lol
[03:55] <AndyChow888> Try "lvextend -L+1T /dev/mapper/ubuntu-vg/ubuntu-lv"
[03:56] <Gizmo3D> not enough space left lol, do i reclaim the 1t
[03:56] <AndyChow888> Try "lvextend -L+500G /dev/mapper/ubuntu-vg/ubuntu-lv"
[03:58] <Gizmo3D> hmmm, that extended but df -lh didn't adjust, wonder if a reboot is in order
[03:58] <mybalzitch> mount -o remount
[03:58] <Gizmo3D> mount -o remount
[03:58] <Gizmo3D> lol
[03:58] <mybalzitch> mount -o remount /dev/mapper/ubuntu-vg/ubuntu-lv
[03:59] <AndyChow888> Given that that's root, I doubt it will work. You could try rebooting it. But if this is a production server, can you really reboot?
[03:59] <Gizmo3D> yup, no one logged on right now, gone home
[04:00] <Gizmo3D> mount said mount point does not exist
[04:01] <Gizmo3D> rebooting for the hell of it
[04:01] <AndyChow888> do you have a /etc/crypttab file?
[04:01] <Gizmo3D> too late
[04:01] <Gizmo3D> have to wait a few mins
[04:03] <AndyChow888> Once it has rebooted, check if it does. If it does, check carefully that it does not contain actual passwords, and paste the output. If it contains passwords, replace them with "password" in the paste.
[04:03] <Gizmo3D> k
[04:05] <Gizmo3D> cryptab is blank
[04:06] <Gizmo3D> df -lh still says 100% on /dev/mapper/....
[04:06] <AndyChow888> Gizmo3D, crypttab, two t.
[04:07] <Gizmo3D> ???
[04:07] <Gizmo3D> crypt tab just has the commented header formats
[04:08] <AndyChow888> Do you have a file called /etc/crypttab?
[04:08] <Gizmo3D> yup
[04:08] <AndyChow888> Oh, everything is commented?
[04:08] <Gizmo3D> no entries
[04:08] <Gizmo3D> yup, just 1 line
[04:10] <Gizmo3D> i don't even see where that 1T and 500g went
[04:10] <AndyChow888> Your lvdisplay output still shows LV size as 4.00GiB?
[04:10] <Gizmo3D> nope that is showing 1.49
[04:12] <Gizmo3D> so space is there but the /dev/mapper/.. still 100% used
[04:16] <AndyChow888> Gizmo3D, try pvresize /dev/sda3
[04:17] <AndyChow888> I don't think it will do anything, but I'm out of ideas.
[04:17] <Gizmo3D> 1 physical volume(s) resized / 0 physical volume(s) not resized
[04:18] <AndyChow888> Humm. did it work?
[04:18] <Gizmo3D> nope, same results
[04:29] <Gizmo3D> Andy, I did a resize2f /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-ubuntu--lg-root
[04:29] <Gizmo3D> took about 30sec
[04:29] <Gizmo3D> df -lh good, rebooted, df still good
[04:33] <AndyChow888> Ok, great.
[04:33] <AndyChow888> resize2f can be dangerous, but I'm glad it worked in your case.
[04:34] <Gizmo3D> thank you for your help, just saved me from rebulding an email server from scratch
[04:35] <Gizmo3D> would have sucked putting together a temp, migrate, build new and migrate all back
[04:39] <AndyChow888> You should still do that, eventually, as your server doesn't seem well configured.
[04:40] <Gizmo3D> after xmas, no need to mess up holidays
[08:34] <lordievader> Good morning
[11:26] <kstenerud> Does anyone know how to fix this kind of error in git-ubuntu:
[11:26] <kstenerud> $ git ubuntu merge finish ubuntu/devel --bug 1808319
[11:26] <kstenerud> 12/18/2018 11:41:41 - ERROR:ubuntu/devel version (7.4.3+git20180713-1) is after debian/sid version (7.4.3+git20180713-1). Are you sure you want to merge? (Pass -f to force the merge).
[11:38] <[diablo]> afternoon #ubuntu-server ... anyone know if there's local mirrors to the cloud images please? Bloody slow downloading from https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/bionic/current/bionic-server-cloudimg-amd64.img
[12:55] <cpaelzer> thanks jamespage for the erlang fix!
[13:00] <jamespage> cpaelzer: yeah s390x rmq needs fixing
[14:00] <Odd_Bloke> [diablo]: I don't believe there is, I'm afraid.
[14:02] <jamespage> cpaelzer: raised https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rabbitmq-server/+bug/1808984
[14:03] <jamespage> the wrong permissions error was the second issue, caused by the automatic cookie creation failing to change permissions.
[14:15] <smoser> rbasak, cpaelzer loking for thoughts. i uploaded grub-legacy-ec2
[14:15] <smoser>  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub-legacy-ec2
[14:15] <smoser> and then noticed that i had done so with '1:1ubuntu1' rather than what i think is probably more correct '1:2'
[14:15] <smoser> should i re-upload as 1:2 ?
[14:18] <rbasak> smoser: I think both 1:1 and 1:2 are wrong.
[14:18] <smoser> :)
[14:18] <smoser> what is right?
[14:19] <smoser> the 1: is due to change from it being part of cloud-init and under cloud-init's versioning
[14:19] <smoser> andthen separated out.
[14:19] <rbasak> I think you definitely need an "ubuntu" in there to avoid autosync from Debian in case they also upload a source package called grub-legacy-ec2
[14:19] <rbasak> So -0ubuntu1 etc
[14:19] <rbasak> Presumably with the epoch.
[14:20] <rbasak> So 1:0ubuntu1 would have been right originally I think.
[14:20] <rbasak> And then 1:0ubuntu2
[14:20] <smoser> so then 1:1ubuntu1 seems fine?
[14:20] <rbasak> But I think 1:1ubuntu1 is fine for now and there isn't anything that can be solved with a new upload
[14:21] <smoser> thanks
[15:20] <jamespage> cpaelzer: ok so its something endian-y but my erlang is not good enough
[15:28] <[diablo]> cheers Odd_Bloke ,sorry only just seen the reply
[15:53] <muhaha> Is there any systemd audit log?  Or to view system activity I have to install auditd package and then look into /var/log/audit/audit.log ?
[16:43] <balance1> hi
[16:43] <_13LACK_> balance1: hi
[16:43] <balance1> so a friend has a ubuntu server and if he has a usb device plugged in he gets into maintenance mode. What could be the reason for that? I wasn't able to see anything problematic but then I don't know ubuntu at all and this part of linux also isn't my speciality.
[16:44] <teward> 'maintenance mode' sounds like something specific to that server
[16:44] <teward> we'd need more information to try and help out
[16:44] <teward> like what exactly they're seeing, what error messages if any they see, what's on the USB device, etc.
[16:45] <_13LACK_> balance1: look the fstab line ... the fifth field and sixth field
[16:45] <_13LACK_> example: LABEL=t-home2   /home      ext4    defaults,auto_da_alloc      0  2
[16:46] <_13LACK_> the "0" and "2" means frequency and order to filesystem checks at boot time
[16:48] <_13LACK_> balance1: maybe the fifth field (0 on this example) have a non-zero value
[16:49] <balance1> give me a min, I cna't look at it but I do have some logs and stuff, maby ethe fstab file was in there too
[16:53] <balance1> teward, he has a HP ProLiant Microserver Gen8 - I somehow assumed that maintenance mode is a ubuntu-server specific thing. _13LACK_ no fstab file atm but I looked at it and it seemed to just mount the hard disks and 1-2 partitions, nothing special. The usb device (e.g. a usb stick, he tried 1-2) aren't listed in the fstab file - why should they? or do you think it's possible that the order in the fstab files start at a
[16:53] <balance1> higher number, allowing an usb stick to "hijack" the lower and thus the server tries to boot form it? or what's your though here?
[16:56] <teward> balance1: sometimes if fstab refers to a USB device and one is connected it'll fail out
[16:56] <teward> if misconfigured
[16:56] <teward> but that's usually rarer
[16:58] <balance1> I'll have to recheck, it might be possible since the usb device is a "dock" to change HDDs. I first thought it might get mounted using fstab but iirc it doesn't. I'll have to recheck. Sadly I can't just ssh on the server so what logs might be helpful here?
[17:04] <_13LACK_> balance1: I just think that someone had created a fstab mount line manualy to this USB drive.
[17:07] <balance1> _13LACK_, woudl make sense, I'll have to recheck
[17:08] <_13LACK_> balance1: Tell me... If remove USB drive from server and power on the server, it gets into maintence mode?
[17:10] <_13LACK_> balance1: If have a fstab mount line, try to set the numbers as "0 0"
[17:10] <balance1> _13LACK_, the server works fine if you start it without a usb drive inserted(port doesnt matter btw).  you can then plug it in once it's started up
[17:10] <balance1> _13LACK_, I'll check the file but atm I cant access it. so I'll have to wait
[17:11] <_13LACK_> balance1: ok... I just gave you an idea.
[17:12] <_13LACK_> balance1: I have to go now... I wish you good lucky
[18:45] <muhaha> Is there any systemd audit log in Ubuntu 18 by default?  Or to view system activity I have to install auditd package and then look into /var/log/audit/audit.log ,right ? ?
[20:51] <DammitJim> What is a good enterprise backup solution for laptops (that also run VMs)?
[20:52] <DammitJim> maybe not a good question for ubuntu-server even though I picture the backup software running on a server...


[01:10] <ypwong> get the error assert failed: getprop("ro.product.device") == "manta" || getprop("ro.build.product") == "manta" when installing trusty-preinstalled-touch-armel+manta.zip in recovery on nexus 10
[05:22] <Mike> hello
[05:22] <Mike> anyone here?
[08:01] <mpt> 2014/03/28 07:55:56 Rebooting into recovery to flash
[08:01] <mpt> 2014/03/28 07:57:07 Failed to enter Recovery
[08:03] <mpt> \o/ It worked after all
[10:00] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Friday, and happy Something On A Stick Day! :-D
[10:27] <t1mp> nik90: in addition to the tabs failures that zsombi mentioned in the AP tests, I got another one: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7167683/
[10:28] <t1mp> nik90: any ideas? We are testing changes in UITK including https://code.launchpad.net/~elopio/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/tab_selection_timing/+merge/210219 which should actually fix it
[11:02] <nik90> t1mp: looking at it now
[11:04] <t1mp> nik90: do you have a nexus4?
[11:04] <nik90> t1mp: yes
[11:04] <t1mp> do you happen to have image 264 installed on it?
[11:04] <t1mp> I like to figure out if any of these errors can be reproduced with a stock 264 that doesn't have our changes for ubuntu-ui-toolkit
[11:04] <t1mp> hmm
[11:05] <t1mp> I can re-flash it myself after I finish these tests of course
[11:06] <nik90> t1mp: I am waiting for my phone to start up..but I am definitely on the proposed images for sure
[11:06] <nik90> t1mp: what exactly do you want to test on the phone?
[11:06] <nik90> t1mp: the AP failure above?
[11:08] <t1mp> nik90: phablet-test-run ubuntu_clock_app
[11:08] <t1mp> that's all :)
[11:09] <t1mp> uh I got lucky Ran 20 tests in 516.560s
[11:09] <t1mp> OK
[11:09] <t1mp> some times the tests pass
[11:11] <nik90> t1mp: could be a timing issue that caused it to fail before
[11:11] <nik90> t1mp: that's usually the suspect when you get StateNotFoundError: Object not found with name
[11:11] <t1mp> yes. Then https://code.launchpad.net/~elopio/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/tab_selection_timing/+merge/210219 was not enough to fix it
[11:12] <nik90> no no
[11:12] <nik90> the above MP is for the tab selectio
[11:12] <nik90> selection*
[11:12] <nik90> the failure is due to the listview not appearing on time
[11:13] <nik90> t1mp: the failures that zsombi pointed out at http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7166706/, those are the true tab timing failures which the above MP is supposed to fix
[11:13] <t1mp> the results seem a bit random
[11:13] <t1mp> nik90: yes, I got those before also, with the same UITK version installed that should include the fix
[11:14] <t1mp> I'm running the tests 10 times now, to see how many pass with the changes
[11:14] <nik90> t1mp: if you got zsombi's failures, then the MP doesn't fix the tab timing issues reliably.
[11:14] <nik90> t1mp: as for the other failure you linked above, that is localised in the clock app and something I need to take a look at my end :)
[11:16] <nik90> t1mp: I just update image 265 on my phone. Should I install it and then test as well?
[11:16] <t1mp> nik90: clock app tests look very reliable in the result history here http://ci.ubuntu.com/smokeng/trusty/touch/mako/264:20140327.1:20140304/7399/ubuntu_clock_app/
[11:16] <t1mp> nik90: so I wonder why I am getting errors, and the smoke tests all pass.. am I just unlucky?
[11:17] <t1mp> nik90: we're trying to figure out if we introduced a regression, so I think it is better to first see if you can reproduce the failures without the updated UITK, and then add the PPA and check with the new version
[11:18] <nik90> t1mp: ok...I had just a more deeper look at the failure you linked. It seems that the timing issue is related to the toolbar. The AP is trying to click on a toolbar button that is not visible yet.
[11:18] <t1mp> results for image 265 look weird http://ci.ubuntu.com/smokeng/trusty/touch/mako/265:20140328:20140304/7406/ so I don't know what's up with that image
[11:18] <nik90> t1mp: and I used the UITK toolbar emulator function here
[11:19] <t1mp> yes the toolbar emulator should take care of that
[11:20] <t1mp> there is a wait in there to wait for the toolbar to be opened
[11:20] <nik90> t1mp: yes. I have *never* had timing issues with the toolbar before
[11:26] <nik90> t1mp: to flash a specific image do I do "system-image-cli -c trusty -v -b 264" ?
[11:28] <t1mp> nik90: huh? I  never used system-image-cli
[11:28] <t1mp> nik90: I use ubuntu-device-flash
[11:29] <nik90> t1mp: ah the above command is to switch from trusty-proposed to trusty as told by ogra_ a long time ago
[11:29] <popey> nik90: that should work..but you need trusty-proposed for the channel
[11:29] <nik90> popey: ah ok
[11:29] <popey> as 264 isnt in trusty
[11:30] <t1mp> why do we have multiple commands to flash the device?
[11:30] <t1mp> and where does system-image-cli come from? the command doesn't exist on my laptop
[11:32] <t1mp> nik90: I had a few runs of the AP tests for clock now without any failures
[11:32] <t1mp> zsombi: ^
[11:32] <ogra_> t1mp, thats on the device
[11:32] <popey> we dont have multiple commands
[11:32] <popey> one is on device, one is from pc
[11:33] <t1mp> ahh
[11:33] <t1mp> I never did that from the device
[11:33] <t1mp> thanks, it makes sense now :)
[11:33] <popey> ☻
[11:37]  * zsombi back
[11:38] <zsombi> t1mp: so, everything is cool now then?
[11:38] <t1mp> zsombi: no, it is flaky
[11:38] <t1mp> zsombi: I had two full test runs without problems, and now another one that gave an error
[11:39] <zsombi> t1mp: excellent
[11:39] <t1mp> zsombi: if the tests show the same flakiness in image 264 without the changes that we try to land, then we can land
[11:39] <t1mp> zsombi: but we must make sure that we did not introduce them
[11:39] <t1mp> zsombi: I am still testing with the landing ppa enabled
[11:39] <zsombi> t1mp: ok
[11:42] <ogra_> t1mp, 264 had no errors http://ci.ubuntu.com/smokeng/trusty/touch/mako/264:20140327.1:20140304/7399/
[11:45] <t1mp> ogra_: I know. I get errors with UITK changes *some times*
[11:45] <t1mp> ogra_: so I cannot reproduce them consistently. I wonder if that is the case with 264, and we were just lucky
[11:46] <ogra_> might be, didrocks usually sends a summary in the landing mails about known flaky tests
[11:47] <didrocks> t1mp: no flaky tests are known as of now, but there are some unity8 crashers, maybe look if they are linked
[11:54] <zsombi> t1mp: ok... I'm continuously getting unlock_screen() failures on AP tests on any MR I create
[11:55] <zsombi> didrocks: is the unity8 crash related to the unlock_screen()?
[11:55] <didrocks> zsombi: no, this is a bustage in powerd
[11:55] <didrocks> zsombi: I revert it in the distro and an image is going to be kicked
[11:55] <zsombi> didrocks: okay, thx
[11:55] <didrocks> same than dashboard results
[11:55] <didrocks> zsombi: if you want to speed it up, install latest powerd
[11:55] <ogra_> zsombi, install the powerd from the archive
[11:56] <zsombi> orga_ you mean the powerd to get the ulock_screen() issue workaround?
[11:57] <ogra_> the fix ...
[11:57] <ogra_> :)
[11:57] <didrocks> zsombi: yeah, just apt-get install it
[11:57] <didrocks> reboot
[11:57] <didrocks> and you should be fine
[11:57] <zsombi> didrocks: okay :)
[11:57] <didrocks> zsombi: see, everyday is fun here :)
[11:58] <zsombi> didrocks: I have ~2 MPs failing on Jenkins because of this unlock thingie
[11:58] <zsombi> didrocks: I have no doubth about that :D
[11:58] <ogra_> bugs happen
[11:58] <didrocks> zsombi: yeah, next image is going to be published in ~50 minutes
[11:58] <zsombi> orga_ no, that's sh*t, that happens :D
[11:58] <didrocks> so then, you should be fine on jenkins
[11:59] <ogra_> :)
[11:59] <zsombi> didrocks: awesome! I anyway have loads of other stuff to do, so I can wait till then ;)
[11:59] <didrocks> heh :)
[11:59] <zsombi> didrocks: I know I'm a lazy bastard :D
[12:00] <didrocks> zsombi: well, if you can avoid loosing this time and focus on something else, that's fine :)
[12:00] <zsombi> didrocks: the bug backlog is never empty, so... ;)
[12:01] <t1mp> zsombi: better hurry up and clear the bug backlog then :)
[12:01] <didrocks> zsombi: I'm not surprised :p
[12:01] <zsombi> t1mp: look who's talking :D
[12:01] <ogra_> you mean there are bugs in our UITK ?!?
[12:01] <zsombi> orga_: uhm... no, there're loads of features :D
[12:01] <t1mp> ogra_: no, only people who use it wrong ;)
[12:01] <ogra_> :)
[12:02] <zsombi> we need some toxins for the bugs :D
[12:02] <zsombi> ok, /me goes back to dig into Layouts
[12:03] <t1mp> zsombi: speaking of bugs, do you know what is expected from this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1187335 can I close it?
[12:06] <zsombi> t1mp: well, there was a sheet (yet another one) back then to fill in about which test has what. I guess it can be closed, the sheet is not in use, at least I haven't seen it afterwards...
[12:06] <t1mp> ok I closed it, finally :)
[12:07] <zsombi> :)
[12:07] <t1mp> Ran 20 tests in 518.940s
[12:07] <t1mp> OK
[12:08] <t1mp> zsombi: ^ after purging the landing ppa...
[12:08] <t1mp> I'll repeat it a few times
[12:10] <Saviq> ogra_, lool, rsalveti, I identified two files that need cleanup due to dropping sflinger support:
[12:10] <Saviq> lxc-android-config: /etc/init/boot-hooks/set-display-mir.conf
[12:10] <Saviq> ubuntu-touch-session: /etc/profile.d/qpa_plugin.sh
[12:10] <Saviq> /etc/environment could lose the QML2_IMPORT_PATH, not sure where that comes from, though
[12:10] <ogra_> Saviq, from live-build ...
[12:11] <ogra_> Saviq, there are more files
[12:11] <ogra_> (which is why it scares me to remove the .display-mir file ... easy to miss something)
[12:11] <Saviq> ogra_, well, we need to drop it somewhen anyway...
[12:12] <ogra_> indeed
[12:12] <ogra_> you want to drop it from usc-wrapper too
[12:12] <ogra_> and most likely we need to rework the lightdm session
[12:13] <Saviq> ogra_, so, are you saying you'd rather do that separately?
[12:13] <ogra_> no, would be good to do it all in one silo
[12:14] <ogra_> but when we do it we should drop the special casing that enables the back/forward switching for lightdm in ubuntu-touch-session as well
[12:15] <Saviq> mzanetti, please coordinate with ogra_ ↑
[12:15] <mzanetti> sure
[12:15] <mzanetti> hi Oli :)
[12:16] <ogra_> hey
[12:16] <ogra_> mzanetti, there are a few bits in ubuntu-touch-session that mterry put in place to enable the switching in lightdm ...
[12:16] <ogra_> we should probably just ask him to clean it up since he knows best what can go
[12:17] <mzanetti> ok. will take care of that when he shows up
[12:17] <Saviq> he's away today :|
[12:17] <ogra_> bah
[12:17] <ogra_> yay timing
[12:18] <mzanetti> ok. at least we can prepare everyhting else today I'd say
[12:19] <ogra_> yep
[12:19] <mzanetti> so those are to be cleaned up for sure: https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/right-edge-2/+merge/213172/comments/504199
[12:20] <Saviq> "cleanly shot down"
[12:20] <Saviq> lol
[12:21] <mzanetti> Saviq: ?
[12:22] <Saviq> looks like http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/ubuntu-touch-session/trunk/revision/163 and http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/ubuntu-touch-session/trunk/revision/133 are the related revs
[12:22] <Saviq> it doesn't look like there'd really be a lot to change
[12:23] <Saviq> type=unity;surfaceflinger
[12:24] <ogra_> hmm, i thought there was more
[12:24]  * Saviq greps for MIR_SOCKET, too
[12:25] <Saviq> ubuntu-touch-session: /usr/bin/ubuntu-touch-session
[12:25] <mzanetti> https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/ubuntu-touch-session/drop-sf-support/+merge/213243
[12:26] <Saviq> mzanetti, usc-wrapper, too
[12:26] <pmcgowan> Mirv, popey any thoughts on that saucybacon issue with qmlscene?
[12:26] <Saviq> should we put the QT_QPA_PLATFORM somewhere else (/etc/environment), now that it's not dynamic?
[12:27] <popey> pmcgowan: fixed, new version in store already
[12:27] <Saviq> ogra_, ↑? do we need it in both profile.d and separately in u-t-session?
[12:27] <pmcgowan> popey, did you just change the app?
[12:27] <mzanetti> Saviq: not exactly sure what to do with usc-wrapper
[12:27] <Saviq> mzanetti, just drop the "return 1"
[12:27] <pmcgowan> popey, is it not a real issue with qmlscene? i.e. will other apps hit it
[12:28] <ogra_> Saviq, well, profile.d is used by adb/sudo
[12:28] <Saviq> mzanetti, the whole if [] actually
[12:28] <mzanetti> yep
[12:28] <popey> pmcgowan: i notified the developer, gcollura, who updated the app
[12:28] <ogra_> Saviq, we need to make sure that we have the same variable available in both, session and adb sudoed session
[12:28] <mzanetti> pushed
[12:28] <pmcgowan> popey, I am still concerned that qmlscene is complaining
[12:29] <pmcgowan> do we understand why?
[12:29] <Saviq> mzanetti, also, 52-ubuntu-touch.conf
[12:29] <Saviq> mzanetti, drop ;surfaceflinger
[12:29] <mzanetti> ack
[12:29] <Saviq> ogra_, yeah, doesn't /etc/environment give us that? or should we move stuff out from /etc/environment?
[12:29] <ogra_> i think we should move it out there
[12:30] <Saviq> as part of this change?
[12:30] <ogra_> if you feel like :)
[12:30] <ogra_> its in livecd-rootfs
[12:31] <gcollura> pmcgowan, what are you referring to if I may know? :)
[12:31] <popey> gcollura: bug 1298659
[12:31] <Saviq> ogra_, I'm just not sure what's The Right Thing™ to do there, I only know a few of the vars there, and not sure we only want them in the touch session
[12:31] <pmcgowan> gcollura, the issue with the -I option
[12:31] <Saviq> ogra_, I know we won't need QML2_IMPORT_PATH at all, we're cleaning that up
[12:32] <ogra_> so lets drop what we are sure about
[12:32] <ogra_> the rest is for a later review
[12:33] <mzanetti> +1 :)
[12:33] <Saviq> mzanetti, ↑ frop QML2_IMPORT_PATH from /etc/environment, shipped in livecd-rootfs
[12:33] <mzanetti> ack
[12:33] <gcollura> pmcgowan, ok that is weird
[12:33] <Saviq> drop
[12:33] <mzanetti> pushed ubuntu-touch-session btw
[12:33] <Saviq> mzanetti, but we also need unity-mir to install in the path from unity-api.pc
[12:33] <pmcgowan> is Mirv around
[12:34] <Saviq> mzanetti, and then we need to clean unity8's main() to not try and mangle the existing QML2_IMPORT_PATH
[12:34] <gcollura> pmcgowan, if I remember correctly I've noticed that kind of error a week or two ago, but I didn't get worried much actually
[12:34] <Saviq> main.cpp:22
[12:34] <popey> pmcgowan: < Exec=qmlscene -I modules/ app/saucybacon.qml
[12:34] <Saviq> erm
[12:34] <Saviq> main.cpp:122
[12:34] <popey> pmcgowan: > Exec=qmlscene $@ -I backend ./app/saucybacon.qml
[12:34] <popey> thats the diff between the broken and working versions
[12:35] <pmcgowan> oh really
[12:35] <popey> i just diffed between saucybacon 0.14 and 0.15
[12:35] <popey> well, not entire diff ☻
[12:35] <pmcgowan> that looks more like a syntax fix between qt versions or something
[12:35] <popey> but diff in .desktop file
[12:36] <pmcgowan> popey, ok guess I will stop worrying about it
[12:36] <gcollura> pmcgowan, no wait I was referring to another thing
[12:36] <pmcgowan> thanks
[12:36] <pmcgowan> gcollura, ?
[12:37] <mzanetti> ogra_: Saviq: https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/livecd-rootfs/drop-sf-support/+merge/213249
[12:37] <gcollura> pmcgowan, nothing, forgot the last two messages
[12:37] <ogra_> looks fine
[12:37] <pmcgowan> gcollura, what messages
[12:39] <Mirv> pmcgowan: hi, it doesn't seem to happen on desktop, which is the odd part
[12:40] <pmcgowan> Mirv, right noticed that
[12:40] <Saviq> mzanetti, you're onto lxc-android-config, too?
[12:41] <Mirv> so far I don't have a clue how it can be different, but I haven't been able to look at that much either. I'll get someone to help me if I don't find anything myself.
[12:41] <mzanetti> yeah... autopilot bailed out of course... fixing that
[12:41] <pmcgowan> Mirv, thanks
[12:42] <Saviq> ogra_, will you do uploads to the silo? (I don't think livecd-rootfs goes through CI train? does -session, lxc-android-config?)
[12:43] <ogra_> session should now, i think robru reworked it (never tried to use it since though)
[12:43] <ogra_> the others need to be uploaded ... will happily to that
[12:46] <mzanetti> Saviq: ogra_: that set-display-mir.conf file can go away completely, right?
[12:46] <ogra_> yup
[12:46] <Saviq> mzanetti, yup
[12:48] <mzanetti> Saviq: ogra_: https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/ubuntu/saucy/lxc-android-config/drop-set-display-mir/+merge/213251
[12:48] <Saviq> mzanetti, debian/*install?
[12:48] <mzanetti> do'h
[12:48] <Saviq> mzanetti, not sure it's there, just check, please
[12:49] <mzanetti> Saviq: says "etc"
[12:49] <Saviq> mzanetti, good
[12:53] <t1mp> nik90: it looks like I cannot reproduce the failures after purging the landing ppa
[13:01] <Saviq> ogra_, ok, whenever you're ready, please push lxc-android-config and livecd-rootfs to silo 015
[13:01] <ogra_> ok
[13:06] <Mirv> popey: pmcgowan: ok one more datapoint: the same error about -I is gotten also with image #237, ie Qt 5.0. so it has seemingly never worked. but it also doesn't prevent trying to start up.
[13:06] <ogra_> Saviq, pushing livecd-rootfs to the silo doesnt make sense ... you wont be able to test it until there is a new image
[13:07] <ogra_> mzanetti, ^^
[13:07] <Saviq> ogra_, yeah, but don't we want to land it together anyway?
[13:07] <ogra_> Saviq, that var is only used in SF ?
[13:07] <Saviq> ogra_, both, but not when we move things around
[13:07] <ogra_> hrm
[13:07] <Saviq> ogra_, and make them proper
[13:07] <pmcgowan> Mirv, yes, I am hearing "we always got that warning" but the apps do run
[13:07] <ogra_> how long will your testing take ?
[13:08] <pmcgowan> just saw it in qtc with the emulator
[13:08] <Saviq> ogra_, which will happen in the same silo, but we can't remove that before we land that silo
[13:08] <ogra_> the issue is that the branch that others use for distro build stuff can go out of sync
[13:08] <Saviq> ogra_, we're fixing bits'n'pieces in unity8 and unity-mir still
[13:08] <Saviq> ogra_, the env can be there
[13:08] <ogra_> livecd-rootfs is used by all flavours too
[13:08] <Saviq> ogra_, so let's just leave it until after the silo landed?
[13:08] <ogra_> yeah
[13:09] <ogra_> sounds better
[13:09] <Saviq> ogra_, that's fine, ok /me removes from silo
[13:09] <ogra_> i have a ready made source package locally, just ping me once the silo landed
[13:09] <ogra_> lxc-android-config is uploaded to the silo
[13:09] <Saviq> ogra_, thanks
[13:14] <sergiusens> ogra_, just make sure that the hook runs always (in case you missed it); or if you want to do it properly, remove appmanager from android and to the least sf from init.rc
[13:15] <ogra_> sergiusens, ?
[13:15] <ogra_> sergiusens, we are dropping all traces of ~/.display-mir
[13:16] <ogra_> uh oh !
[13:16] <sergiusens> ogra_, exactly; don't forget /var/lib/lxc/android/pre-start.d/30-no-surface-flinger
[13:17] <ogra_> Saviq, kill that öxc.-android-config package from the silo please
[13:17] <ogra_> sergiusens, yeah, thanks a lot !!!!!
[13:17] <ogra_> i *knew* we would miss stuff
[13:18] <Saviq> ogra_, I can't
[13:18] <Saviq> ogra_, but will wait for another upload then
[13:18] <OttOmanTR> ogra_: are Ubuntu Touch's specifications revealed?
[13:19] <OttOmanTR> I mean phone
[13:21] <ogra_> Saviq, ok, upploaded with the same version, lets see if the PPA likes that
[13:21] <Saviq> ogra_, if different contents, it won't, afaict :)
[13:22] <ogra_> sigh
[13:22] <Saviq> ogra_, and deleting the old one wouldn't help
[13:22] <ogra_> double sigh
[13:22] <Saviq> ogra_, not for a few hours/days at least
[13:24] <sergiusens> ogra_, you need someone to do a "real" delete
[13:24] <sergiusens> webops person
[13:24] <Elleo> mandel: looking at it I think it will be best if setLocalPath just sets the directory, either that or the download will need to expose the original path for us to retrieve the filename from (we're not sending any of the original URL info to the content-hub-service, so all its aware of is the download id)
[13:24] <Elleo> mandel: I'll do something temporary for now for testing purposes though
[13:27] <nik90> t1mp: so it is a regression in the UITK update?
[13:29] <Mirv> popey: so was saucy bacon updated recently? I'm just wondering since in the Qt 5.2 manual testing it was tested to be working, so I'm wondering what has changed
[13:29] <Mirv> popey: at least it's not probably the -I that prevents it from working
[13:29] <popey> Mirv: yes, today
[13:29] <popey> 0.15 works, 0.14 does not
[13:30] <Mirv> ok
[13:32] <pmcgowan> popey, last question on that, do we have any idea what changed between manual testing when it worked and now?
[13:33] <sergiusens> Mirv, popey why are you using -I?
[13:33] <Mirv> popey: um, I have it running for me
[13:33] <popey> pmcgowan: I don't, no. sergiusens I am not. its saucybacon we're talking about, not my app
[13:34] <Mirv> popey: 1.0.15, I installed it on my #266 from app store and started from command line with upstart-app-launch com.ubuntu.developer.gcollura.saucybacon_saucybacon_1.0.15
[13:34] <popey> Mirv: does it work from icon?
[13:34] <Mirv> popey: ye
[13:34] <Mirv> s
[13:35] <Mirv> I just assumed it wouldn't so I went for command line
[13:35] <popey> *boggle*
[13:35] <popey> confused
[13:35] <sergiusens> popey, Mirv sure, so if it's a compiled app, use the upstart-app-launch locations; I have something sort of summarized, albeit for go, here: http://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/click-packaging-for-golang-based-binaries/1557
[13:36] <mandel> Elleo, yes, make sense, I'll take care and of that and will rename th method accordingly
[13:37] <Elleo> mandel: great, thanks :)
[13:54] <t1mp> nik90: yes it seems like a regression
[13:54] <t1mp> nik90: a regression in a *proposed* landing, so nothing broke yet :)
[13:57] <nik90> t1mp: technicalities :P
[14:01] <nik90> popey: my app was using ubuntu-sdk-13.10. Do I change this to ubuntu-14.04-qmldev1 when I push an update?
[14:02] <popey> nik90: you can update but you need to use the right name and version.. from ... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Click/Frameworks
[14:03]  * nik90 reads through it
[14:28] <mardy> tedg: hi! Sorry I had a shorter day yesterday and couldn't participate in the discussion about the trust sessions
[14:28] <tedg> mardy, You missed out on all the fun! :-)
[14:29] <mardy> tedg: I have a slightly unrelated question: what happens when the URL dispatcher gets a URL to dispatch, and the target app is already running?
[14:29] <tedg> mardy, It sends the URL to the app over DBus.
[14:30] <mardy> tedg: would it be possible for the target app to specify that it prefers having another instance launched, instead?
[14:32] <nik90> popey: could you approve my app. I fixed the authentication error bug and uploaded a new update to store.
[14:33] <popey> ack
[14:33] <popey> done
[14:38] <nik90> ty
[14:38] <popey> np
[14:40] <Ellendway> Hi there, I am planning to buy a tablet and I am thinking about the type. I want Ubuntu there and not sure what kind of tablet I should get. Is Nexus 10 still supported?
[15:16] <popey> rsalveti: ogra_ any reason we couldn't add screen/tmux/byobu onto the phone ?
[15:17] <rsalveti> no specific reason besides image size
[15:20] <ogra_> popey, well, people wouldnt be able to use it with the terminal-app and i dont know how the adb tty behaves with it (remember nano ?)
[15:20] <ogra_> popey, so some testing in advamce would be nice ... and then you need to distract pmcgowan while i seed it
[15:21] <pmcgowan> hmm?
[15:21] <ogra_> (to prevent the complaints about image size waste)
[15:21] <popey> I'm thinking more for me doing "adb shell start ssh" and then sshing into my phone and poking stuff
[15:21] <ogra_> popey, pfft, thats so obsolete
[15:22] <popey> and having screen / tmux would let me leave stuff runing on the phone
[15:22] <ogra_> setprop persist.service.ssh true
[15:22] <ogra_> popey, ^^^^
[15:22] <popey> suh-weet
[15:22] <popey> thanks
[15:24] <gcollura> ogra_, what's the phablet ssh password?
[15:25] <popey> phablet
[15:25] <ogra_> gcollura, phablet indeed ;)
[15:26] <gcollura> thanks popey ogra_
[15:39] <AskUbuntu> Ubuntu touch 13.04 stops clicking | http://askubuntu.com/q/440366
[15:46] <popey> ogra_: on a scale of 1 to 10 how much will I break my phone if I change /etc/hostname?
[15:46] <popey> don't like having 3 devices on my network with the same hostname
[15:47] <sergiusens> popey: ask cwayne; but it should just work
[15:47] <ogra_> popey, check if you can use hostnamed
[15:47] <ogra_> (or was that called hostnamectl ?)
[15:47] <popey> the latter
[15:48] <ogra_> root@ubuntu-phablet:/# hostnamectl set-hostname foobar
[15:48] <ogra_> root@ubuntu-phablet:/# exit
[15:48] <ogra_> ogra@anubis:~/touchbootchart$ adb shell
[15:48] <ogra_> root@foobar:/#
[15:48] <ogra_> seems to work
[15:48]  * ogra_ reboots ... lets see if it persists
[15:48] <tedg> Saviq, So has your kill-surface-flinger branches landed?
[15:48] <tedg> Saviq, I'd like to remove the SF code in UAL as well.
[15:48] <ogra_> i know we have a mechanism for the pretty hostname ...
[15:48] <ogra_> (for bluetooth)
[15:49] <cwayne> just changed it here, worked fine
[15:49] <popey> yay
[15:49] <popey> thanks chaps
[15:49] <popey> phablet@blue-phablet:~$
[15:49] <popey> \o/
[15:49] <cwayne> thank you for validating that making /etc/hostname writable was a good idea :)
[15:50] <popey> this makes me very very happy indeed
[15:50] <ogra_> oh
[15:50] <ogra_> root@foobar:/# hostnamectl set-hostname ubuntu-phablet
[15:50] <ogra_> root@foobar:/# exit
[15:50] <ogra_> ogra@anubis:~/touchbootchart$ adb shell
[15:50] <ogra_> root@foobar:/#
[15:51] <ogra_> i cant change it back
[15:52] <cwayne> you can echo "stuff" > /etc/hostname
[15:53] <ogra_> sure i can
[15:53] <ogra_> but there is something wrong that it doesnt set it now
[15:54] <ogra_> i wonder if thats the dash in the name ... but then i would expect hostnamectl to properly issue an error
[15:54] <Saviq> tedg, not yet, soon
[15:55]  * tedg starts flinging surfaces to fill the time
[15:57] <cwayne> ogra_: works if you put ubuntu-phablet in quotes
[15:57] <ogra_> cwayne, well, it should still spill an error or tell me it couldnt set it
[15:58] <ogra_> pitti, is hostnamed in your realm ?
[15:58] <cwayne> ogra_: well, that's got nothing to do with us
[15:58] <cwayne> blame systemd
[15:58] <ogra_> cwayne, right, thats why i pinged pitti ... want to know if he considers it a bug too before i file it :)
[15:59] <cwayne> :)
[15:59] <ogra_> it shouldnt no-op silently if it fails
[16:01] <cwayne> i agree
[16:18] <asac> how is media-hub going :)?
[16:18] <asac> ok seems it at least built now
[16:18] <asac> good
[16:19] <asac> rsalveti: jhodapp: how is testing going?
[16:19] <rsalveti> asac: test is on going
[16:19] <asac> I assume wont be before next week that we see this go through?
[16:19] <rsalveti> creating a custom image and we'll all test it later today
[16:19] <rsalveti> no, will land next week for sure
[16:19] <rsalveti> too many moving parts to land this today
[16:19] <asac> rsalveti: ok. dist-upgrade isn't good enough to test this quickly?
[16:20] <rsalveti> asac: no, because we also got changes in the android side
[16:20] <asac> oh right
[16:20] <asac> are they in the silo too?
[16:20] <jhodapp> asac, yeah what rsalveti said
[16:20] <rsalveti> asac: they will be in a few, but can be tested without it already
[16:20] <rsalveti> as to test the custom tarball, you can also use a custom android image
[16:20] <rsalveti> that jhodapp already has
[16:21] <asac> right
[16:21] <jhodapp> asac, I'm creating a rootstock image and system.img...should be ready in about an hour
[16:21] <asac> whats the testplan?
[16:21] <asac> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Process/Merges/TestPlans/
[16:21] <asac> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Process/Merges/TestPlan/media-hub
[16:21] <jhodapp> asac, look at the media-hub one
[16:21] <asac> found one
[16:21] <rsalveti> yeah, this one
[16:21] <asac> ok. you should also call out which AP tests you run in the silo
[16:22] <aquarius> How can I know what the most recently promoted image is?
[16:22] <asac> at least the ones of the clients
[16:22] <jhodapp> asac, right, tests are still being written right now
[16:22] <asac> you can however run those of all the clients
[16:22] <asac> that you should do
[16:22] <asac> e.g. mediaplayer etc.
[16:22] <jhodapp> yep
[16:22] <asac> music
[16:23] <asac> etc.
[16:23] <asac> maybe call the ones you want to run out in the wiki
[16:23] <jhodapp> sure I can add those
[16:23] <jhodapp> good idea
[16:23] <asac> or link to the tesplans of the clients
[16:23] <ogra_> aquarius, http://system-image.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/trusty/mako/index.jsonscroll to the end
[16:23] <ogra_> bah
[16:23] <ogra_> http://system-image.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/trusty/mako/index.json
[16:23] <asac> i think in theory one should just run the testplans of the clients
[16:23] <asac> and those should call out which AP
[16:24] <asac> seems mediaplayer-app calls out which APs to run
[16:24] <asac> guess because its obvious
[16:24] <popey> aquarius: just added it to the nexus status sheet above
[16:24] <aquarius> ogra_, ooh, good answer. And that's the normal trusty channel, yes?
[16:24] <ogra_> aquarius, right
[16:24] <asac> "Dash video lens"
[16:24] <asac> what componetn is that?
[16:26] <aquarius> it'd be cool if the Android "Ubuntu dual boot" app said this, so I'd know when to update, but I suppose that that's not getting worked on because it's supposed to go away at some point and dual boots will be upgradeable through System Updates, yes?
[16:27] <aquarius> (it is of course my own fault for dual-booting. :))
[16:27] <ogra_> i think the multirom app does system image upgrades fine
[16:28] <ogra_> not sure if the dualboot one could do that too
[16:28] <ogra_> (but i think it could)
[16:30] <aquarius> ogra_, ya, apparently making system upgrades work from inside Ubuntu when dual booting is on the roadmap, and that's cool; I don't mind doing it the long way around because I'm using a non-ideal configuration by dual booting :)
[16:30] <cyphermox> cwayne: actually, about the pretty hostname thing
[16:30] <cyphermox> I think we have a slight issue with the quotation marks :D
[16:32] <cwayne> cyphermox: ah, really?
[16:33] <cyphermox> cwayne: yeah, discoverying my nexus I'd see
[16:33] <cyphermox> "Nexus 4"
[16:33] <cyphermox> as the name of the device, with quotes
[16:33] <cwayne> hm
[16:36] <rsalveti> jhodapp: yeah, we just need to make sure we run all the autopilot tests for everything media related
[16:36] <rsalveti> put as a requirement
[16:36] <jhodapp> done
[16:48] <jhodapp> ogra_, rootstock didn't seem to complete successfully, but I don't see an error
[16:49] <ogra_> jhodapp, hmm
[16:49] <ogra_> jhodapp, how did you call it ?
[16:50] <jhodapp> ogra_, emailed you my build log
[16:50] <jhodapp> ogra_, ./rootstock-touch -a armhf -p ppa:train-ppa-service/landing-006
[16:51] <ogra_> and you have qemmu-user-static installed ?
[16:51] <jhodapp> ogra_, yeah, it complained at me to install it first time I ran it
[16:51] <ogra_> did you reboot since ?
[16:51] <jhodapp> no
[16:51] <ogra_> try that
[16:51] <jhodapp> lol
[16:51] <jhodapp> what are we, Windows? :)
[16:51] <ogra_> qemu-user-static uses a kernel module
[16:52] <jhodapp> yeah hehe
[16:52] <ogra_> (binfmt-misc)
[16:52] <ogra_> might be that the registration is flaky
[16:52] <ogra_> (it shouldnt indeed, but if it is, a reboot will help)
[16:52] <jhodapp> ogra_, it's ok, I'm due for a reboot
[16:53] <AskUbuntu> In Ubuntu 12.04, two finger scrolling not working | http://askubuntu.com/q/440392
[16:53] <lotuspsychje> whats the best tablet to run touch smooth on?
[16:53] <ogra_> lotuspsychje, nexus7 2013
[16:54] <lotuspsychje> ogra_: does it run perfect yet?
[16:54] <ogra_> well, it is the one we also use for development
[16:54] <ogra_> so you wont find a better supported one ...
[16:54] <ogra_> runs pretty good, yeah
[16:55] <lotuspsychje> ogra_: cool! if you can tell me the basics work good
[16:55] <lotuspsychje> browsing, terminal,..
[16:55] <ogra_> yup
[16:56] <lotuspsychje> ogra_: nicely! tnx for advice
[16:56] <lotuspsychje> lets see if i can get a cheap nexus7 then :p
[16:56] <ogra_> but get the 2013 model ...
[16:57] <lotuspsychje> i will tnx
[16:58] <ogra_> jhodapp, gah
[16:58] <ogra_> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/train-ppa-service/landing-006/ubuntu trusty main
[16:58] <ogra_> gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
[16:58] <ogra_> P: Begin unmounting filesystems...
[16:58] <lotuspsychje> so lets say ubuntu touch gets stable, this model of nexus will also still be supported right
[16:58] <jhodapp> ogra_, it requires a GPG key?
[16:58] <ogra_> jhodapp, so there is your error ... not sure why it does that though ... it should pull the PPA key for apt
[16:58] <Chipaca> lotuspsychje: nobody's promising that :)
[16:58] <ogra_> PPAs do
[16:59] <jhodapp> ogra_, ok, so it is an error then
[16:59] <ogra_> right
[16:59] <ogra_> i dont really get why though
[16:59] <jhodapp> ogra_, I specified the PPA correctly, right?
[16:59] <ogra_> looks like
[16:59] <lotuspsychje> Chipaca: :p
[17:00] <jhodapp> ogra_, do you want to try it on your end with my same rootstock command?
[17:00] <ogra_> jhodapp, aha, the ppa url doesnt work
[17:00] <jhodapp> hmm
[17:01] <ogra_> ppa:ci-train-ppa-service/landing-006
[17:01] <ogra_> you missed ci-
[17:01] <jhodapp> doh, nice catch
[17:01] <ogra_> i usually just copy/paste that part from the dput line from the launchpad page
[17:02] <jhodapp> ogra_, yeah I should have
[17:02] <jhodapp> ogra_, computers are so much more reliable :)
[17:02] <ogra_> :)
[17:03] <jhodapp> is there an easy way to verify the PPA URL is correct that you could add to rootstock?
[17:04] <ogra_> i can try
[17:04] <ogra_> at least i can make the error a bit more informative :)
[17:05] <jhodapp> ogra_, yeah exactly, that would be helpful for those of us prone to error ;)
[17:12] <doomsayer> About how long would you say first boot takes?
[17:12] <ogra_> a minute ... probably less (first one is very slow)
[17:30] <frank69> Hello, is there anybody from Canonical? Yesterday I have installed Ubuntu Phone on my Samsung Galaxy Nexus but it doesn't really work fine. It crashes sometimes and the performance is bad. When does the final version will be launched?
[17:31] <popey> frank69: phones pre-installed with ubuntu will ship later this year
[17:35] <asac> Saviq: tvoss: kgunn: when can we make a decision on what to do wrt to the event blocked by eglBuffer situation?
[17:36] <asac> do we feel strong enough that upstream did a mistake? e.g. is it sane to really stop the UI thread if the screen is off?
[17:36] <asac> otherwise, i guess we should just go with the initially proposed approach
[17:36] <t1mp> frank69: performance on galaxy nexus is not too good, and I don't think that will improve with newer ubuntu versions because there are some hardware restrictions
[17:37] <asac> we actually have abandoned the GN
[17:37] <asac> the fact that there is a build still is just until we have the x86 emulator
[17:39] <t1mp> popey: is there no link on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install to the latest images to install?
[17:39] <popey> t1mp: eh?
[17:39] <t1mp> popey: a friend installed it (flashed from a windows computer), but he searched for the image first.. and he found the MWC image from februari 2013
[17:40] <t1mp> that's kind of old, so I referred him to the wiki page but there is no link to the image there
[17:40] <popey> we could probably put a link there which says where to get the latest images
[17:40] <popey> there is, in manual install iirc
[17:40] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install#Manual_Download_.26_Installation
[17:40] <popey> the link that says "here"
[17:41] <frank69> OK. That means in the future Ubuntu Phone will only work with a limited mobile phones? That's bad.
[17:41] <popey> frank69: I didnt say that
[17:43] <frank69> Or I have to wait for a longer time until Ubuntu phone is stable enough for different hardware?
[17:43] <popey> we have images for the nexus 4, nexus 7 (2013) and nexus 10.
[17:44] <t1mp> frank69: it is stable enough, but the galaxy nexus hardware is slow
[17:45] <t1mp> frank69: I used to run it on GN, I didn't get crashes but it was kind of slow
[17:46] <t1mp> popey: yay. The images are linked in the manual download&installation section. you were right
[17:48] <frank69> Ok. Thanks. But I think I have used the right one. But it was very slow. It has not responded on my touches.
[18:03] <Saviq> asac, no, it's not that they *want* to block the UI thread when screen is off, it's just that they don't see the way we're handling screen off like the right way, that's where we disagree
[18:04] <Saviq> asac, basically, in their opinion, apps should be "told" they can swap frames even when they can't, we're saying that's incorrect and against the standard
[18:05] <Saviq> asac, we have an idea about decoupling those two by letting the ui thread to run even though the rendering thread is blocked, we're working on that now
[18:06] <Saviq> asac, ultimately we'd like to convince upstream Qt that their assumption is incorrect and work with them to fix it, the above is a first step towards that, which will also unblock us in the mean time
[19:07] <AskUbuntu> Synaptics driver installed still two finger scrolling doesn't work | http://askubuntu.com/q/440447
[20:13] <pulu90> good evening (at least in finland)
[20:13] <pulu90> I just succesfully installed ubuntu touch on Nexus 7
[20:13] <pulu90> and was left wondering wether I should be able to view pdf-files with it
[20:14] <pulu90> if I try to open them from file manager nothing happens
[20:15] <pulu90> and I can't find document viewer anywhere
[20:29] <pmcgowan> pulu90, no there is no viewer, some efforts were spent months ago but not completed afaik
[20:31] <pulu90> dammit :/ I guess I have to stick with android in the long run then, for now.
[20:33] <pmcgowan> pulu90, pdf is that important for you?
[20:33] <pmcgowan> there were some candidate libs but no one to work on it at the time
[20:35] <pulu90> yeah, I'd like to read Linux Voice on that thing
[20:39] <pulu90> well hopefully support will be added some time sooner than later
[20:39] <pulu90> they are trying to sell these things quite soon after all
[20:44] <josharenson> Having been hacking at it for a while now, is there an easy way to run glmark2 on touch?
[21:01] <josharenson> nm, got it
[21:21] <rsalveti> Saviq: are you still holding the silo that disables SF?
[21:25] <rsalveti> it seems so, silo 15, let me drop that support from powerd as well
[21:37] <rsalveti> Saviq: https://code.launchpad.net/~rsalveti/powerd/drop_support_sf/+merge/213340


[01:18] <Zeb> so, i think i like the default ubuntu unity more than kubuntu
[01:19] <Zeb> once you get compiz config and tweak
[02:11] <Zeb>  trying to make the transition to ubuntu... how can i migrate my outlook pst files from windows into Thunderbird?
[02:12] <Zeb> can't figure it out
[02:12] <Zeb> i did sudo apt-get install readpst, and then readpst -r blah.pst, and it converted it, but it still wont open or import into thunderbird
[02:13] <JoseeAntonioR> Zeb: Let me check out if I have anything over here :)
[02:13] <holstein> Zeb: i would install thuderbird on windows, when promted, import from outlook, then copy what is needed from windows's thunderbird
[02:13] <Zeb> holstein, that crossed my mind
[02:13] <holstein> Zeb: it literally wont hurt to try it
[02:14] <Zeb> holstein, i suppose its either import in a windows environment or import in a linux environment... any import process will still have to take place somewhere
[02:15] <holstein> i thin the windows one works still thats what i did when i left mail clients behind
[02:15] <Zeb> i hate gmail
[02:15] <Zeb> on the web
[02:15] <Zeb> otherwise i'd just do web-based
[02:16] <holstein> i hate clients... i hate backing them up, and migrating and upgrading... syncing
[02:17] <Zeb> if i install thunderbird on my windows boot, and import the pst to thunderbird... can i then just use the same thunderbird file from within my ubuntu boot?
[02:17] <Zeb> thus having a synced client regardless of which OS i boot to?
[02:17] <holstein> Zeb: i wouldnt expect that to work
[02:17] <holstein> i just migrated to linux by that method
[02:20] <Zeb> ok well im gonna give it a whirl... back in a bit
[02:21] <holstein> Zeb: if you keep backups of that directory, you can try it
[02:21] <holstein> in theory, you just trash the config in windows and linux and restore the one you are about to get
[02:35] <Zeb> :-/
[02:36] <Zeb> still wont let me Import Everything
[02:36] <Zeb> have to do each one individually, and settings doesnt work
[02:36] <Zeb> but it looks like mail at least is chugging along
[02:36] <holstein> i dont think you'll find a better option
[03:37] <WilsonBradley> Hi, I was hoping to get some help with Annoying system crashes.  I am new to not well versed in troubleshooting Ubuntu (Yet..;-) For starters Im getting [System program problem detected] often. What log file do I look through for error? Will it say error in the log , using keyword find? Thanks
[05:25] <asterismo> hi
[05:25] <asterismo> i have a problem
[05:25] <asterismo> does anybody uses xfce?
[05:25] <JoseeAntonioR> asterismo: Tell us the problem :)
[05:25] <asterismo> the directory menu applet
[05:26] <asterismo> worked well with thunar file manager
[05:26] <asterismo> but i changed it to nautilus
[05:26] <asterismo> as the default file manager
[05:26] <asterismo> but the directory menu opens nautilus always in home folder no matter what folder i select to open
[05:27] <asterismo> any ideas?
[05:28] <JoseeAntonioR> Hmm, can you give me a second to check, please?
[05:28] <asterismo> yeah sure!
[05:31] <JoseeAntonioR> asterismo: Can't seem to find a common bug. The home folder opens every time you click on a folder, or it's a link?
[05:34] <JoseeAntonioR> asterismo: I'm sorry, but I have to leave now. One of my mates will help you.
[05:35] <asterismo> ok thanks anyway
[05:35] <asterismo> the thing is that menu directory allows you to browse folders and then open them, or open a terminal
[05:35] <asterismo> well
[05:36] <asterismo> when i browse a folder inside my home... and click open folder
[05:36] <asterismo> nautilus (i set nautilus as default file manager in xubuntu) opens always in my home, not the folder i selected
[05:36] <asterismo> and that is making the whole applet useless
[05:37] <asterismo> does anybody has any idea?
[06:32] <asterismo> i think i found the problem
[06:32] <asterismo> the problem is that i installed nautilus and it is not in the list of preferred applications
[06:33] <asterismo> in xfce settings menu
[06:33] <asterismo> is that a bug?
[06:34] <asterismo> why XFCE settings do not recognizes nautilus as another file manager other than Thunar?
[06:34] <philipballew> asterismo, you can probably configure that. did you google?
[06:35] <asterismo> yes but i cannot find nothing
[06:35] <asterismo> all howtos say
[06:35] <asterismo> go to preferred applications
[06:35] <asterismo> scroll down the list and select nautilus
[06:36] <asterismo> and i installed nautilus
[06:36] <asterismo> but it is not in the list
[06:36] <asterismo> i can write the command for nautilus (that is simply nautilus)
[06:36] <asterismo> but that makes directory menu plugin not to work
[06:37] <philipballew> do it manually then I guess
[06:38] <asterismo> manually what
[06:39] <philipballew> set it as the prefered app
[06:39] <asterismo> yes, but the directory plugin does not work
[06:39] <philipballew> hum, well i have never run xfce,
[10:28] <kcaze> I'm running Ubuntu on a Macbook and it seems to me that the maximum brightness for my backlight is lower than that of the brightness in Mac OS X.
[10:29] <kcaze> I've searched and found that you can change the brightness by editing the brightness file in /sys/class/backlight/mbp_backlight
[10:29] <kcaze> and was wondering if there's any danger in setting the brightness to past the maximum brightness?
[11:42] <aluex> hi guys,i met a problem. My GTK theme doesn't work. Would anybody please help me? Thanks in advance.
[11:44] <aluex> When I change the gtk theme in the 'Appearance' dialog, it does not make a difference.
[11:44] <aluex> And now my buttons, textboxes and others remain the simple style.
[11:50] <nothingspecial> are you using ubuntu 11.10 aluex
[11:50] <aluex> yes, nothingspecial
[11:50] <aluex> i updated my system yesterday
[11:51] <nothingspecial> try installing the gnome-tweak-tool and using it to change your theme
[11:51] <aluex> i did, and it doesn't work either./
[11:51] <nothingspecial> ah
[11:51] <aluex> : <
[11:51] <nothingspecial> are you using a custom theme?
[11:52] <aluex> no, it appears now "very simlpe"
[11:52] <aluex> like Win 95
[11:52] <aluex> : P
[11:53] <nothingspecial> hi MGnTL
[11:53] <nothingspecial> aluex, has a theme problem
[11:53] <aluex> ehm.
[11:54] <MGnTL> hi. :)
[11:54] <aluex> hello , MGnTL
[11:54] <MGnTL> hey. What's the problem?
[11:55] <aluex> eh, i just cannot change my gtk theme
[11:55] <MGnTL> what release of ubuntu?
[11:55] <aluex> it is 11.10
[11:55] <MGnTL> okay, how are you trying to change it?
[11:56] <aluex> first, i tried to change it in 'System settings' -> Appearance
[11:56] <aluex> and i failed
[11:56] <aluex> later i searched online and installed gnome-tweak-tool
[11:56] <aluex> and it doesn't work either.
[11:56] <MGnTL> okay. have you logged in and out since?
[11:57] <aluex> yes.
[11:57] <MGnTL> can you change between the default ambiance and radiance ones?
[11:58] <aluex> No, it just makes no difference when i select them.
[11:58] <MGnTL> just a minute while I install gnome-tweka on this machine. :)
[11:58] <aluex> and it now appears like win95
[11:58] <aluex> okay
[12:00] <MGnTL> sorry; I have no idea. Very odd indeed. I shall look up how to do it via dconf or similiar; you might be best making an account on the Ubuntu Forums and asking there.
[12:01] <aluex> all right, thank you . :)
[12:02] <MGnTL> sorry I couldn't help. Stick around, someone else might be able to help. :)
[12:03] <aluex> ehm. then i gonna log off , bye~
[12:03] <aluex> bye, nothingspecial
[12:03] <nothingspecial> cya aluex
[12:03] <MGnTL> bye aluex.
[12:55] <s-fox> Hello o/
[12:55] <MGnTL> hi s-fox.
[12:56] <s-fox> Hello MGnTL ^_^
[12:56] <MGnTL> I'll stick to the other room. :)
[23:53] <asterismo> is somebody running virtualbox? with Windows XP guests?
[23:54] <asterismo> i lost 3D acceleration in Windows guests after some upgrades in Ubuntu Precise beta 1
[23:54] <asterismo> i think something involving ATI propietary drivers


[00:13] <EvilResistance> no flood bots in -server?
[00:22] <Pici> no, its historically a much lower volume channel to need them.
[00:26] <EvilResistance> i see.  i only ask because we hit micro-flood when someone pasted in -server
[00:38] <EvilResistance> thanks
[01:23] <pangolin> hyper-paranoid people are funny
[01:24] <funkyHat> what. no we're not. what do you mean, I'm not paranoid?
[01:25] <pangolin> :)
[01:25] <Jordan_U> I'm not paranoid if the penguins are really out to get me.
[01:25] <Jordan_U> That's why I use linux by the way, keep your friends close...
[10:47] <Myrtti> idefix?
[11:08] <jasonmchristos> why was i baned
[11:09] <ikonia> you where removed from the channel
[11:09] <jasonmchristos> i stoped
[11:09] <ikonia> becuase I asked you to stop what you where doing and you agreed, you then went the exact opposite approach
[11:09] <ikonia> you went from telling people not to use <IP_ADDRESS> to telling everyone to use <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:10] <jasonmchristos> was sarcasm
[11:10] <jasonmchristos> i said when thier isp provides it
[11:10] <ikonia> I can only conclude either a.) you are trying to provoke people or b.) you don't understand what you are saying - so I've removed you from the channel
[11:10] <jasonmchristos> no
[11:10] <jasonmchristos> when you use the local isps ns its more protected
[11:10] <ikonia> jasonmchristos: ok - so I ask you to stop what you're doing, and you start making sarcastic comments about it
[11:10] <ikonia> jasonmchristos: not helpful and not what I asked you to do
[11:10] <ikonia> jasonmchristos: please stop
[11:10] <jasonmchristos> then resolving from an external network that doescensorship
[11:10] <ikonia> jasonmchristos: if you want to use #ubuntu, join it and HELP people with sound reasoned advice
[11:11] <ikonia> jasonmchristos: if you can't do that, don't use the channel
[11:11] <jasonmchristos> its sound advice to say use your isp's nameserver
[11:11] <jasonmchristos> its safer
[11:11] <ikonia> it is - but if you follow what theadmin was doing, he was trying to resolv/debug a problem
[11:11] <jasonmchristos> security wise
[11:11] <jasonmchristos> besides censorship
[11:11] <ikonia> so you spouting random stuff about racist content/sarcasm doesn't help
[11:12] <jasonmchristos> ok sorry
[11:12] <jasonmchristos> ill just go do something else
[11:12] <ikonia> jasonmchristos: so - if you feel you can join in with a conversation usefully, please rejoin #ubuntu, if you don't, please leave
[11:12] <jasonmchristos> next time i will try another approach
[11:14] <ikonia> jasonmchristos: ok - that's great, please leave this channel now. If you feel like you can use #ubuntu properly, please re-join #ubuntu, if not, there are other channels
[11:32] <topyli> jasonmchristos: if there's nothing else, please part this channel, as we don't allow idling. thanks
[11:47] <Tm_T> nice lag, did the command 2 minutes ago
[14:28] <Myrtti> yes yes I know you are confused
[14:31] <Myrtti> ohshuddup
[14:32] <pangolin> poor bots getting yelled at for doing what they are meant to do :/
[14:32]  * pangolin slaps all the floodbots
[14:32] <pangolin> now they have a reason to cry
[16:33] <Myrtti_webcgat> so apparently there is a worldwide Juniper routers decide to die-day
[16:33] <Myrtti_webcgat> I can't access my shell
[16:34] <Pici> :(
[16:35] <Myrtti_webchat> hm
[16:42] <popey> http://blog.phyber.com/level3-outage-likely-juniper-bug
[16:42] <popey> indeed
[16:46]  * genii-around makes a note to check the one in the office later
[16:49] <Myrtti_webchat_> I'm not amused at all
[16:56] <Myrtti> ahhh...
[18:53] <genii-around> Darn. I start typing replies, get sidetracked, return and finish reply, then they have already departed by the time I finish and hit enter. :-/


 Yes, lighter guage strings will help with barring an F chord with the index finger. Everyone struggles with full bar guitar chords at first because it requires a phenomenal  strength. Keeping bashing away at it and it will come. There is also an easier version of F major that requires barring just two strings.
 Fwd from jubo2: <jubo2> I should probably learn to play a song that someone else would also recognize. Can't do F or even Fm, because my index finger does not seem to barré. Having 011 strings prlly contributes, I ordered up some 010's 009's for the electric and a ton of single E strings in all gauges
[16:49] <JTode_> What's the best horn section sound out there?
[21:17] <OvenWerks> wonko: please be aware that the controls config file has moved :)
[21:18] <OvenWerks> wonko: if you are making changes to master, master has changed in prep for 20.04.
[21:19] <OvenWerks> wonko: if using jack_control to start jack resulted in no jack hangs or restarts, then the newer version of controls may work for you also.
[23:06] <studiobot> MHG González was added by: MHG González


[06:59] <jared_> jea: also, if it helps, one of the other people in my course is the operations manager for australian research centre for aerospace automation - it's a CSIRO/Uni venture


[06:38] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:50] <maxb> Is anyone else experiencing confusing "Duplicate sources.list entry" warnings from apt on wily? (though there don't seem to be any)
[09:53] <maxb> Hmm. Issue no longer reproduces after commenting out sources.list entries; updating; uncommenting; updating
[10:07] <lordievader> maxb: Haven't seen that, just updated.
[10:07] <maxb> I'm now guessing it was some kind of local state issue, though I'm confused how, given I already deleted all the data in /var/lib/apt/lists/ once trying to fix it, and it persisted
[10:24] <rrva> how can I use lz4 compression on kernel and initramfs in wily?
[10:24] <rrva> to reduce boot time
[18:30] <furkan> Processing was halted because there were too many errors.
[18:30] <furkan> Upgrade complete
[18:30] <furkan> The upgrade has completed but there were errors during the upgrade process.
[18:30] <furkan> well, that doesn't look too reassuring lol


[19:07] <xnox> any ops around? there is intense swearing and abuse on a non-ubuntu irc channel for my upstream project.
[19:07] <xnox> and our usual op for the channel is not around.
[19:07] <holstein> !freenode
[19:07] <Fuchs> how exactly could they help in a non-ubuntu channel?
[19:08] <Fuchs> if *!*@freenode/staff/*  is on the access list, you can poke staff in #freenode
[19:08] <holstein> xnox: you could try the freenode channel/s
[19:08] <Fuchs> else poke someone on said access list
[19:08] <Fuchs> for said access list:  /msg chanserv access #yourchannel list


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[13:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- xnox, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4765 Diff missing (jammy/init-system-helpers). Failed to build (jammy/snapd)
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[23:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- paelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4753 Diff missing (jammy/ipxe, jammy/libvirt, jammy/xen). Failed to build (jammy/qemu)


[01:45] <Tm_T> hello kids
[01:49] <Riddell> hi Tm_T
[02:01] <Tm_T> Riddell: I've heard some complains that 3.5b1 is slower
[02:02] <Tm_T> than 3.4.2
[02:03] <Tm_T> and trouble if filenames include umlauts
[02:21] <\sh> Tm_T: filenames should _not_ have umlauts
[02:21] <\sh> I hate MS for this idea
[02:22] <\sh> it gave me a lot of nightmares during my SVN project
[02:37] <JRe> Is it normal that I have media:/ not detecting new devices ?
[02:40] <OculusAquilae> JRe: yes, thats normal it think
[02:40] <JRe> OculusAquilae: damn :(
[02:40] <OculusAquilae> right
[02:41] <OculusAquilae> you could write a patch :-)
[02:41] <OculusAquilae> not sure if Riddell is working on it
[02:41] <JRe> OculusAquilae: is it still a hal trouble ?
[02:41] <OculusAquilae> i think so
[02:47] <Riddell> JRe: try installing this http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kdebase-kio-plugins_3.4.3-0ubuntu5_i386.deb
[02:47] <Riddell> JRe: then killall kded && kded
[02:48] <Tm_T> \sh: you mean pkirjoitus.odt ?
[02:48] <Tm_T> \sh: why not
[02:48] <JRe> Riddell: where is the source (i have to rebuild for Amd64) ?
[02:50] <Riddell> JRe:  http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kubuntu_23_hal_api.diff
[02:50] <Riddell> fixed patch
[02:50] <\sh> Tm_T: because it gives you problems with applications, which are using plain "LC_LANG=C" ..
[02:50] <Tm_T> true
[02:50] <\sh> Tm_T: and filenames shouldn't have umlauts at all...
[02:51] <\sh> Tm_T: think about the problems with cyrillic filenames or japanese/chinse "umlauts" ,)
[02:51] <Riddell> \sh: kubuntu is unicode, any filename should work
[02:51] <Tm_T> Riddell: I think so too
[02:51] <Tm_T> Riddell: and does work here
[02:52] <\sh> Riddell: right...but filenames shouldn't handled by unicode...I like the 7bit ascii filenames....because it gives nobody headaches..same applies to IDN dns ;)
[02:52] <OculusAquilae> thanks Riddell, installed patch
[02:52] <\sh> but it's my opinion
[02:52] <OculusAquilae> working
[02:52] <\sh> ok...going shopping
[02:52] <JRe> Riddell: ok thanks, I'll rebuild kdebase with this pach
[02:52] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: why is it not in the repos?
[02:54] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: I need someeone elite to review it before I can upload to breezy-updates
[02:54] <Riddell> and they seem to be taking the weekend off
[02:54] <OculusAquilae> ah ok, so it will hopely be in the repos next week, won't it?
[02:54] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: yes
[02:55] <Mez> Riddell: isn't it pitti who does that
[02:56] <Riddell> Mez: dunno, ask him
[03:14] <seaLne> a different view on java in ubuntu :-) :
[03:14] <seaLne> < gLAsgowMonkey> cool, i just built my first package shame i can't share it because of the license
[03:14] <pef> hello
[03:14] <seaLne> as aposed to grr java-package etc comments
[03:15] <pef> how can I find all bugs assigned to Kubuntu team into Malone ?
[03:15] <seaLne> no idea, i tried but if you click on the link that says "kubuntu team" it just tell you that *you* have no bugs (or maybe you do)
[03:16] <Mez> pef: https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-team/+assignedbugs
[03:16] <seaLne> ah
[03:17] <pef> Mez: thanks !
[03:17] <Mez> pef: no probs
[03:17] <Mez> pef: I have to know where that is :D
[03:25] <seaLne> someone want to close https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/kdebindings/+bug/1784 fixed in current version?
[03:25] <JRe> ho cool there is a kubuntu team now on lauchpad ;)
[03:26] <seaLne> and https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/kdebindings/+bug/2048 should be closed aswell
[03:27] <JRe> Mez: anyone can join the kubuntuteam?
[03:27] <Mez> JRe... I don't know... ask Riddell... I think it's for people who actually work/upload for it
[03:28] <JRe> Mez: ok so it's not useful for me I can't upload
[03:29] <Riddell> JRe: join up and I'll approve your name.  I've had a few random people try and join but we know and love you so feel free to add yourself
[03:29] <Mez> see: I wasnt sure
[03:29] <Mez> Riddell: can i be admin then ? :P
[03:29] <Mez> or is that for you main-ites
[03:30] <Riddell> Mez: not sure, the MOTUs seem to set everyone as admin so maybe that's the thing to do
[03:30] <Mez> I dont think it is... just the people you trust to add other people to the team
[03:32] <Riddell> I can't work out how to close seaLne's kdebindings beastie
[03:32] <Riddell> "Oops Sorry, something just went wrong in Launchpad."
[03:32] <Mez> .../
[03:34] <Mez> Riddell: want to be part of the Ubuntu English (United Kingdom) Translators
[03:34] <Mez> it mainly consists of changing the words like center and color :D
[03:34] <Riddell> ah hah, I have to fix it in the given distribution
[03:34] <Riddell> Mez: please
[03:34] <Mez> and a lot of copy and pasting
[03:34] <seaLne> Mez: nothing wrong with those spellings :)
[03:34] <Mez> seaLne, they are not british english
[03:35] <seaLne> thanks to html i like those spellings
[03:35] <Mez> Riddell: lemme create the team
[03:36] <Riddell> seaLne: they're polluting our culture, where's your sense of british pride?
[03:36] <seaLne> i'm scottish :P
[03:36] <Mez> :D
[03:37] <Mez> scottish == british
[03:37] <Riddell> great, lets start the Scots translation team
[03:37] <Mez> "och" and "nay" instead of yes and no?
[03:37] <Mez> ooh.
[03:37] <Riddell> Mez: aye and naw
[03:37] <Mez> I wonder if they'll let us translate ubuntu into klingon
[03:37] <Tm_T> yu
[03:37] <Riddell> Mez: only romanised klingon, the alphabet isn't in unicode
[03:38] <Mez> damn
[03:43] <OculusAquilae> Mez: would be very difficult :-)
[03:43] <Mez> OculusAquilae, it was a joke
[03:43] <OculusAquilae> i know :-)
[03:43] <Mez> be interesting to see how many people used it
[03:43] <Riddell> there was a klingon translation of KDE, don't think it get very far
[03:44] <OculusAquilae> Mez: theres google in klingon isn't it
[03:44] <OculusAquilae> don't know the url
[03:44] <OculusAquilae> http://www.google.com/intl/xx-klingon/
[03:46] <Mez> yes
[03:48] <Mez> hmm, Riddell: why is there no kubuntu project/product in LP
[03:48] <Riddell> Mez: what would it be for?
[03:48] <Riddell> hmm, I can't make people admins for the kubuntu team launchpad
[03:48] <Mez> hmm
[03:48] <Mez> \sh prob has to do ti
[03:49] <Riddell> anyone heard of Sfurdal?
[03:49] <Riddell> \sh: can you make people admins on the kubuntu team?
[03:49] <Mez> actually... it's not really that much you need to do tbh...
[03:49] <Mez> \sh is the owner, of course he can
[03:49] <JRe> Riddell: recompiled kdebase with updated patch and everything is working right, now. Thanks a lot!
[03:49] <Mez> JRe: when are you going for MOTU
[03:50] <Riddell> JRe: excellent
[03:50] <JRe> Mez: I have to works on package before to gain some more experience
[03:51] <Mez> cool
[03:52] <Riddell> oops, I pressed the wrong button for sfurdal and gave him membership
[03:54] <JRe> :)
[03:54] <Riddell> deactivated
[04:21] <Riddell> hi freeflying
[04:54] <freeflying> hi
[05:25] <Lathiat> Riddell: about?
[05:26] <Lathiat> Riddell: trying to play with some kde svn stuff and it says AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE not found, any idea what package im missing?
[05:28] <Lathiat> like, i have automake etc, never had a problem on gnome stuff :\ hrm
[05:31] <Riddell> Lathiat: have you run make -f Makefile.cvs ?
[05:32] <Riddell> Lathiat: is it trunk or branch?
[05:32] <Lathiat> Riddell: yeh, thats whats barfing
[05:32] <Lathiat> trunk/playground
[05:32] <Lathiat> someone just told me to try unsermake
[05:32] <Riddell> Lathiat: trunk is kde 4, no guarantee it'll work
[05:32] <Riddell> Lathiat: which unsermake are you using?
[05:32] <Lathiat> well i was just about to try kdes version
[05:32] <Lathiat> (im using normal automake atm)
[05:32] <Lathiat> err
[05:32] <Lathiat> s/kde/ubuntu
[05:33] <Riddell> Lathiat: the unsermake package in kubuntu may well be out of date
[05:33] <Riddell> you might want to get unsermake out of svn
[05:33] <Lathiat> possibly, we'll find out :)
[05:33] <Lathiat> Riddell: yeh
[05:33] <Lathiat> also i seem to have to define
[05:33] <Lathiat> AUTOHEADER AUTOMAKE etc
[05:33] <Lathiat> (else it tries to execute --version)
[05:33] <Lathiat> btu other people dont seem to have to
[05:33] <Lathiat> whats with that?
[05:34] <Riddell> dunno, I've never looked at kde 4, there's a wiki page that describes how to make it
[05:35] <Lathiat> i have the same problems with katapult, fwiw
[05:35] <Lathiat> exactly
[05:35] <Lathiat> the defines, and the AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE failure
[05:35] <Lathiat> avahi works fine, and it uses AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE, so it exists
[05:35] <Lathiat> weird
[05:35] <Riddell> patches for katapult very welcome :)
[05:36] <Lathiat> yeh i want to add smart bookmarks and urls
[05:36] <Lathiat> if i could get it to start to compile might help ;p
[05:36] <Lathiat> haha
[05:37] <Mez> lol :D
[05:37] <Mez> katapult seems to be going well
[05:39] <Lathiat> heh
[05:39] <Lathiat> i just ran avahi's autogen.sh over it
[05:39] <Lathiat> works fine
[05:40] <Riddell> spooky
[05:41] <Lathiat> heh
[05:41] <Lathiat> didnt actually compile tho
[05:41] <Lathiat> i reran Makefile.cvs
[05:41] <Lathiat> and now it works fine
[05:41] <Lathiat> heh
[05:44] <Mez> are you on about katapult?
[05:44] <Lathiat> both katapult and oKular
[05:44] <Riddell> Lathiat: ooh, what's okular like?
[05:46] <Lathiat> i'll find out shortly :)
[05:48] <hunger> This right-after-release time is soooo boring! No new packages to break my system in new and exciting ways;-)
[05:49] <OculusAquilae> :-)
[05:49] <\sh> Riddell: u can do it as well :)
[05:50] <\sh> Riddell: who should be admin?
[05:50] <Lathiat> lathiat@qaplaH:~/devel/kubuntupult/trunk/katapult$ ~/devel/avahi/trunk/autogen.sh ; make -f Makefile.cvs
[05:50] <Lathiat> ;p
[05:50] <Riddell> \sh: I can't do it, doesn't let me I don't think
[05:50] <\sh> Riddell: hmmm....ok..who?
[05:51] <Riddell> mez and jre I think
[05:52] <\sh> done
[05:52] <\sh> who is sfurdal?
[05:52] <Riddell> \sh: how do I do it?  I go to https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-team/+members/ and click edit and I don't have an option to make them admin
[05:52] <\sh> Riddell: hmmm....it works with firefox
[05:52] <freeflying>  Riddell:have there any patches to konqueror for cjk
[05:52] <\sh> lemme try konqui
[05:52] <Riddell> freeflying: none that I know of, what needs fixed?
[05:53] <Riddell> "Administrator:   yes Yes   no No"  it's giving me the option now
[05:53] <freeflying> we can not copy any file from a dir named in cjk
[05:53] <Riddell> I'm sure I didn't have that before
[05:53] <Riddell> freeflying: hmm, not heard of that before
[05:54] <Riddell> is it the same problem people were having earlier with umlouts?
[05:54] <\sh> Riddell: but u were logged in?
[05:54] <freeflying> maybe you have not used cjk .:)
[05:56] <freeflying> Riddell: will skim be included in the next release
[05:57] <Riddell> freeflying: I certainly hope so, I think someone made packages for it but they kinday got lost
[05:58] <Riddell> \sh: yes, I could do other changes to people
[05:58] <freeflying> Riddell: maybe i'd like to do so
[05:59] <freeflying> Riddell:will you accept patch for cjk users?
[05:59] <\sh> Riddell: i set now jre and mez as admin..
[06:00] <Riddell> I hope they use it wisely
[06:00] <\sh> but who is sfural?
[06:01] <Riddell> random guy who signed up, I accidently accepted his membership
[06:01] <freeflying> why don't we build the latest release of scim ?
[06:02] <Riddell> freeflying: I suspect it's just that none of the developers use it so they havn't noticed
[06:02] <Riddell> freeflying: would you be able to update the scim package and make skim packages?
[06:03] <freeflying>  Riddell: I can make skim package
[06:04] <Riddell> freeflying: done packaging before?
[06:04] <freeflying> yeah
[06:05] <Riddell> cool, let me know if you need any help
[06:05] <freeflying> we have some project under ubuntu for we china users
[06:05] <freeflying> www.ubuntu.org.cn
[06:07] <Riddell> cool
[06:07] <Riddell> konqueror doesn't pick up all the characters on that page, quite a pain
[06:08] <freeflying> will you list our forum in the kubuntu forums
[06:08] <Riddell> what's the URL?
[06:09] <freeflying> http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewforum.php?f=6
[06:09] <freeflying> I shall leave for a while .if I need help ,i'll ask for you
[06:10] <Riddell> freeflying: ok
[09:01] <Mez> Lathiat: ping
[09:01] <Lathiat> Mez: pong
[09:01] <Mez> you said there was some problems compiling kubuntu?
[09:01] <Mez> katapult *
[09:01] <Mez> I seem to be hitting some at the moment
[09:02] <Mez> what were your problems Lathiat
[09:03] <Lathiat> yeh
[09:03] <Lathiat> well first of
[09:03] <Lathiat> i had to export
[09:03] <Lathiat> AUTOHEADER
[09:03] <Lathiat> AUTOMAKE
[09:04] <Lathiat> AUTOCONF
[09:04] <Lathiat> and then it failed to find AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE
[09:04] <Lathiat> turned out the solution was to use avahi's autogen.sh
[09:04] <Lathiat> and not the Makefile.cvs that kde uses in everything
[09:04] <Lathiat> but i had to run that after
[09:04] <Lathiat> ;p
[09:04] <Lathiat> its whack
[09:07] <Mez> hmm
[09:08] <Mez> erm, can you tell me where I get the autogen.sh from?
[09:08] <Lathiat> svn://svn.0pointer.de/avahi/trunk/autogen.sh
[09:08] <Lathiat> once i ran that once
[09:08] <Lathiat> re-running Makefile.cvs seemed to work fine
[09:09] <Lathiat> i think its something to do with the aclocal -D common thing
[09:11] <Mez> I dont seem to even have a damn configure file
[09:12] <Lathiat> Mez: because you generate it
[09:12] <Lathiat> from the auto-fu sources
[09:12] <Lathiat> thats what make -f Makefile.cvs is supposed to do
[09:12] <Lathiat> except its broken, at least for me
[09:12] <Mez> yeah
[09:12] <Mez> but I cant even generat them
[09:13] <Lathiat> so
[09:13] <Lathiat> get our autogen.sh
[09:13] <Lathiat> run that in the dir
[09:13] <Lathiat> then run make -f Makefile.cvs
[09:13] <Lathiat> shoudl work then
[09:14] <Mez> mez@apathy:~/dev/katapult/work$ sh ./autogen.sh
[09:14] <Mez> + '[' x = xam '] '
[09:14] <Mez> + rm -rf autom4te.cache
[09:14] <Mez> + rm -f config.cache
[09:14] <Mez> + libtoolize -c --force
[09:14] <Mez> libtoolize: `configure.ac' does not exist
[09:15] <Mez> Try `libtoolize --help' for more information.
[09:15] <Lathiat> err
[09:15] <Lathiat> wrong dir
[09:15] <Lathiat> go up a dir
[09:15] <Mez> the one below the source?
[09:15] <Lathiat> yes
[09:16] <Mez> where there is no configure.ac either
[09:16] <Lathiat> hrm i actually was in katapult/
[09:16] <Lathiat> where did you check it out from?
[09:16] <Lathiat> i got it from berlios not kde svn
[09:16] <Lathiat> i think
[09:16] <Mez> u using breezy
[09:17] <Lathiat> and there should be a configure.in
[09:17] <Lathiat> which is fine
[09:17] <Mez> Lathiat: I'm the dev
[09:17] <Mez> there's a configure.in.in
[09:17] <Lathiat> yeh
[09:17] <Lathiat> it'l get genned
[09:17] <Mez> I'm the prject manager *
[09:17] <Lathiat> i dunno
[09:17] <Lathiat> try make -f Makefile.cvs
[09:17] <Lathiat> then autogen.sh
[09:17] <Lathiat> then make -f Makefile.cvs
[09:17] <Lathiat> again
[09:17] <Lathiat> its dodge++ :)
[09:17] <Lathiat> worked for me (tm)
[09:17] <Lathiat> im going to bed
[09:17] <Lathiat> have fun
[09:18] <Mez> mez@apathy:~/dev/katapult/work$ make -f Makefile.cvs
[09:18] <Mez> This Makefile is only for the CVS repository
[09:18] <Mez> This will be deleted before making the distribution
[09:18] <Mez> ./admin/cvs.sh: line 33: --version: command not found
[09:18] <Mez> *** AUTOCONF NOT FOUND!.
[09:18] <Mez> *** KDE requires autoconf 2.53 or newer
[09:18] <Mez> make[1] : *** [cvs]  Error 1
[09:18] <Mez> make: *** [all]  Error 2
[09:41] <seaLne> did you grab the admin directory?
[09:42] <seaLne> or ignore me
[09:44] <OculusAquilae> Mez: you have to install automake1.6
[09:53] <Mez> aha


[00:47] <james1138> Hello all. I am back.
[02:58] <Guest51262> What's up guys?
[02:59] <Earthman> Hi
[03:00] <Earthman> How can I make my wallpaper change to a difference earth picture every day?
[03:00] <Earthman> Wallch doesn't work for me
[10:53] <Eujean> Hi guys, quick question, should I install 15.10 now or wait for 16.04?
[11:02] <Mathisen> Eujean, no need wait
[11:03] <Mathisen> you can always upgrade later when you feel you want it
[11:04] <Eujean> I just figured it will be quite a hassle to upgrade from a non-LTS to LTS. Thanks
[18:55]  * redwolf is testing a virtualized Deepin Linux over ElementaryOS
[18:55] <redwolf> O.O wrong tab!
[20:07] <rikimaruneo> bonsoir je recherche une aide pour lubuntu probleme d'internet
[20:07] <wxl> !fr | rikimaruneo
[20:29] <rikimaru> bonsoir je recherche le tchat francais
[20:29] <wxl> !fr | rikimaru
[21:15] <malinus> Hello. I've dd'ed my drive to a .img, switched out the ssd with a new one and dd'ed everything back. Everything worked just fine, but then  I resized the boot partition (only partition that were). Now it takes ~3min to boot. My systemd-analyze: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14699307/


[01:26] <Kamilion> casa: sunvox works well on lubuntu. http://www.warmplace.ru/soft/sunvox/
[01:27] <Kamilion> also check out the ubuntu-studio packageset, you can install it on top of lubuntu if you prefer lxde. https://ubuntustudio.org/tour/audio/
[01:29] <Kamilion> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dRTLqabGmo  Here's one of my favorite sunvox samples.
[03:15] <wxl> tsimonq2: hey dailies are way behind. fwiw.
[03:16] <wxl> um
[03:16] <wxl> i think i can, yes
[03:16] <wxl> oops
[03:16] <wxl> wrong channel :)
[03:26] <krytarik> wxl: That's always fun! :D
[07:17] <tsimonq2> wxl: !!! WHAAAT?
[07:17] <tsimonq2> wxl: Whaddaya mean?
[14:00] <casa> Kamilion, I want to collaborate with programmer for make original sounds
[14:00] <casa> I compose and produce
[14:00] <casa> I don't need a software
[14:00] <casa> I need a programmer
[16:28] <cyphermox> is anyone working on updating the slideshow for Lubuntu? seems like it's still showing "Lubuntu 16.10"
[18:55] <lynorian> redwolf is who would normally do it
[18:56] <lynorian> cyphermox ^
[18:56] <cyphermox> ok


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[08:06] <infinity> vorlon: Not sure if you saw in backscroll, but I uploaded an initramfs-tools that removed ghc from i386.
[08:06] <infinity> vorlon: germinate seems to agree.
[08:07] <infinity> vorlon: RE: gcc-cross, we seem to have gcc-9-cross-* in there right now.  Should we investigate why and get it out?
[08:09] <infinity> Hrm, might be because of gcc-defaults.
[08:15] <doko> did somebody remove gcc-7/i386?
[08:50] <vorlon> infinity: yeah I saw, and propagated the changes to the package set
[08:50] <vorlon> doko: I did.  It wasn't in the packageset, were you needing it still for something?
[08:56] <doko> no, just tried to remove it myself
[09:01] <vorlon> ok
[09:03] <doko> and non-x86 builders are disabled
[10:01] <doko> vorlon: does the gcc-7/i386 autopkg test need overriding?
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[18:34] <vorlon> doko: yeah, something is wrong about how/when britney decides to schedule tests, so a whole bunch of tests get scheduled for binaries that have just been removed.  Overridden now
[19:25] <doko> vorlon: ta, and please could you add gcc-snapshot again to build on i386?
[19:40] <vorlon> doko: added to the seed, I'll propagate it to the packageset in a bit
[19:44] <vorlon> livecd-rootfs autopkgtests will need some tuning to do something relevant on i386; currently they fail because ubuntu-server is no longer bootstrappable
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