[19:13] <akik> OnkelTem: no there's no automatic process to modify that file
[19:14] <akik> OnkelTem: the only one i know is dpkg-reconfigure locales
[19:14] <akik> OnkelTem: or localegen
[19:14] <OnkelTem> akik: http://apaste.info/xc02Q - my concerns are now about those en_RU. I think that's the problem
[19:14] <OnkelTem> and I can't find a place in my configs where it's set like that
[19:15] <akik> OnkelTem: try "strace -e open locale"
[19:15] <akik> OnkelTem: that'll show you all the files locale opens
[19:16] <OnkelTem> http://apaste.info/qnZDA
[19:16] <OnkelTem> so it really can't find en_RU/* stuff, because it's a nonsense
[19:17] <OnkelTem> and I did regenerate locales several times and it goes just fine
[19:17] <akik> OnkelTem: what is that "default locale" ? have you set it somewher ?
[19:18] <OnkelTem> akik: I'd guess it means an EMPTY value. I have no LC_ALL or LC_TYPE set anywhere
[19:18] <akik> OnkelTem: what is the locale you want to use ?
[19:18] <OnkelTem> just 'en_US.UTF-8'
[19:19] <akik> OnkelTem: ok try these two commands sudo locale-gen "en_US.UTF-8" and sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[19:19] <akik> starting with sudo both of them
[19:21] <OnkelTem> akik: http://apaste.info/gyELg - at the end I run locale command again
[19:22] <Init_4> Hi all, trying to find some suggestions, anyone know how to disable internal routing? I have 4 interfaces (3usb ethernet and a wlan) tried to delete all the routes, disabled ip fowarding, but still if I try to ping with -S ip or -I interface  from the wlan I got a response from the usb eth interface. there is anything else that can route between the interfaces?
[19:23] <akik> OnkelTem: do you have this problem in your local machine or on some server ?
[19:23] <OnkelTem> akik: local
[19:24] <akik> OnkelTem: how does your /etc/environment look like ?
[19:26] <akik> OnkelTem: never mind, i only have the PATH in there
[19:26] <OnkelTem> akik: same, path only
[19:27] <OnkelTem> I even ran xterm suspecting even konsole :)
[19:27] <akik> OnkelTem: what if you set these two manually first: export LANG=en_US.UTF-8; export LANGUAGE=en_US
[19:28] <OnkelTem> I love programming. There you can always set a breakpoint on a resource usage or variable modification :) Not the case with system configuration...
[19:28] <akik> OnkelTem: and then run those two previous commands
[19:30] <akik> OnkelTem: it's a problem with the configuration files that you can set things in many places
[19:30] <OnkelTem> akik: http://apaste.info/nINen
[19:31] <akik> OnkelTem: sorry, out of ideas
[19:31] <IonutVan_> python 3 is default in ubuntu?
[19:31] <OnkelTem> akik: np, thanks anyway for the attempt :)
[19:33] <OnkelTem> akik: maybe it's a hint. I haven't reinstalled the system for many years :)
[19:34] <akik> OnkelTem: which ubuntu version ?
[19:34] <OnkelTem> 14.04
[19:34] <akik> OnkelTem: i have the same
[19:35] <linux__> #
[19:35] <akik> OnkelTem: try setting the /etc/default/locale as i pasted earlier
[19:35] <akik> OnkelTem: http://pastebin.com/raw/KsKrKx80
[19:36] <OnkelTem> akik: yeah, I've saved the link, trying... I guess I'll need to restart
[19:36] <akik> OnkelTem: i'm pretty sure those entries are there after the default installation
[19:36] <OnkelTem> akik: was you installing 14 from scratch or on top?
[19:36] <OnkelTem> were*
[19:37] <ra21vi> how to switch to Intel from Nvidia on Dell 7559, using 16.10?
[19:37] <akik> OnkelTem: i always install from scratch
[19:37] <OnkelTem> good approach :)
[19:38] <ducasse> OnkelTem: dpkg-reconfigure locales does not set the locale system-wide?
[19:38] <programo> Hi ppl, I am using ubuntu 14.04, how do  I encrypt my data
[19:38] <programo> present in the harddisk
[19:38] <FinalX> ducasse: it generates the /etc/locales but does not set the default locale in /etc/default/locale
[19:38] <OnkelTem> ducasse: no, at least not before restart. And that final measure I haven't tried yet
[19:39] <OnkelTem> the last resort... the sign of weakness
[19:39] <ducasse> programo: entire disk or just /home?
[19:39] <programo> I see on the net to use encfs
[19:39] <programo> Entire disk
[19:40]  * OnkelTem 's uptime is 18 days. 18 days without Witcher 3
[19:40] <FinalX> /etc/default/locale is used by /etc/pam.d/login, /etc/pam.d/sshd, /etc/pam.d/su, /etc/init/mountall.conf, /etc/init.d/keyboard-setup, /etc/init.d/console-setup, /etc/init.d/mountall.sh and /etc/init.d/cron
[19:40] <ducasse> programo: in that case, reinstall and select it as an option in the installer
[19:40] <FinalX> it is meant for the system and not the user.
[19:40] <FinalX> OnkelTem / ducasse ^
[19:40] <programo> I am using a dual boot of Windows and Ubuntu,So I encryt all my data , will I be able to access the data from both the operating system?
[19:40] <FinalX> so yes, rebooting would be useful, considering it's picked up by init and co.
[19:40] <akik> FinalX: the settings from /etc/default/locale affect the user's session
[19:40] <FinalX> akik: yes, through PAM.
[19:41] <FinalX> so logging out of your session and logging back in, should also work.
[19:41] <FinalX> but for the rest of the init stuff, you'd have to re-init
[19:41] <programo> @ducasse how about using encfs
[19:41] <OnkelTem> FinalX: thanks! I see
[19:41] <FinalX> or at the very least restart those services
[19:41] <programo> can I encrpyt my whole disk without resinstalling
[19:41] <ducasse> programo: don't know if there are windows tools that can read it, ask in ##windows. encfs is not for full disk encryption.
[19:42] <ducasse> programo: not easily, no.
[19:42] <OnkelTem> See you after restart
[19:43] <FinalX> perhaps shrink your filesystem, repartition, luks the other partition, move data over, resize again.. yeah, maybe not so very possible
[19:43] <FinalX> too cumbersome ;)
[19:44] <koroso> hey all
[19:44] <ducasse> FinalX: judging by the questions he asked, not without handholding :)
[19:44] <FinalX> yeah... :)
[19:45] <FinalX> to be fair, i'd not even start on it myself.
[19:45] <ducasse> me neither.
[19:46] <OnkelTem> Folks, I've restarted, and it didn't help. But I just checked tty2 and there it works. So I get the problems only in X
[19:48] <akik> OnkelTem: what if you create a new user account in your machine
[19:49] <akik> OnkelTem: then see if the locale settings are defined correctly in the new account
[19:49] <OnkelTem> found one interesting issue: http://askubuntu.com/questions/501181/how-to-change-fix-systems-locale-when-you-setup-in-a-language-not-official-in-y
[19:50] <OnkelTem> Damn I've found where it's set! It is: ~/.kde/env/setlocale.sh
[19:50] <OnkelTem> And there set all that mess
[19:51] <akik> OnkelTem: i don't have that file on kubuntu 14.04
[19:51] <akik> OnkelTem: nothing in that directory
[19:51] <OnkelTem> akik: maybe it's created only when you edit Locale settings. I was editing mine
[19:52] <OnkelTem> that's because I needed to disable Russain as the UI langauge. I've left there only American English
[19:52] <OnkelTem> very similar to what the author describes
[19:54] <OnkelTem> akik: yeah it works!
[19:54] <OnkelTem> huh
[19:54] <akik> good
[19:55] <OnkelTem> Thanks all!
[20:06] <root3> `z: hi
[20:06] <kivy> root3: hi
[20:09] <x2416> hi
[20:14] <palagummi> kali_new: hi
[20:14] <solace> sup
[20:15] <lavenderbowl> Hi, I've just installed Mint 18 (based on Ubuntu 16.04) on a new HDD in UEFI mode (I made sure to partition it via GPT and add a 500MB EFI partition with the boot flag), however when I try to start it up the UEFI menu displays it as "ubuntu(Drive not found)", and it doesn't work. Any idea what I should do?
[20:15] <ducasse> !mint | lavenderbowl
[20:16] <lavenderbowl> I suspect I'll have the same issue if I install plain ubuntu 16.04, hence why I'm asking here
[20:16] <lavenderbowl> Since it is a boot issue
[20:16] <ikonia> then take it to mint
[20:16] <ioria> lavenderbowl, dual boot ?
[20:16] <lavenderbowl> No, fresh new HDD
[20:16] <ikonia> so ask in #mint
[20:17] <ioria> oh, sorry mint... btw ... why did you create a esp ?
[20:17] <ikonia> (or the correct channel name on the correct irc network"
[20:18] <lavenderbowl> Yeah, I asked there. Since there's radio silence over there, I was hoping someone here might have an idea.
[20:18] <ikonia> sorry no
[20:18] <ikonia> thats not how it works,
[20:18] <ikonia> mint is not ubuntu and has variations, so the mint channel supports mint,
[20:19] <younder> I think I tried 5 installs befor UEFI bot finally worked. There were complications in that the SSD should contain linraries and A raid 0 2 GB array contained the  /var /usr/local /tmp /var and /home and there was a seperate 6 Gb disk that should bee left unmounted, but availabe in /media
[20:19] <ikonia> younder: what is that in reference to ?
[20:20] <solace> Does anybody know if it's possible to match the performance of macOS on a macbook using the Ubuntu 16.10?
[20:20] <younder> ikonia,  to lavenderbowl,  I guess If at first you don't succeed try again.
[20:20] <solace> In terms of battery life
[20:21] <ikonia> younder: but your random file system mount points are nothing to do with anything
[20:21] <DBSNode> maybe if you are a dedicated kernel hacker solace
[20:21] <younder> ikonia, random?
[20:22] <ikonia> younder: yes, eg: /usr/local has nothing to do with an EFI boot, and it doesn't have to be "left unmounted"
[20:22] <ducasse> lavenderbowl: hint - check out how grub was installed, and if the efi fw variable is set up correctly. other than that we can't help you.
[20:22] <solace> I've only written a few kernel modules, and added some custom system calls for assignments in an operating systems course at school. @DBSNode
[20:23] <younder> ikonia, It is not left unmounted. There was a separate disk used for backup which was mounted on demand. Perhaps I wasn't clear on that.
[20:23] <ikonia> still nothing to do with efi boot
[20:24] <lavenderbowl> OK then ducasse , I can always try Ubuntu 16.10 and see if I get the same thing
[20:24] <solace> What would the main difference be? I'm gonna assume that there are a few optimizations that would have to be made in terms of how scheduling and paging is handled (since apple determines such algorithms device by device)
[20:24] <ikonia> solace: it's a closed platform
[20:25] <nricciar> is there a way to figure out which packages,versions are installed in a specific coreos release?
[20:25] <nricciar> wrong channel :(
[20:25] <solace> ikonia: Surely there are ways to monitor the behaviour of the kernel?
[20:26] <noob> 0_0
[20:26] <ikonia> solace: what has the kernel got to do with it ?
[20:26] <ducasse> solace: macos and apple hardware are designed to work with each other, i doubt linux devs have access to the same documentation etc.
[20:26] <ikonia> and "monitor behaviour" ??
[20:31] <solace> Well you don't necessarily need to have Apple's documentation. Performance optimizations will (likely) be handled by the kernel, not by processes. By monitoring behaviour I'm talking about examining how paging is handled, how scheduling is handled, how various services are prioritized in terms of "niceness"
[20:32] <ikonia> solace: so basically you don't know what your talking about then
[20:32] <solace> I would say that I do
[20:32] <solace> Tell me what i ahve incorrect?
[20:33] <ioria> solace what's you problem ? maybe we can help
[20:33] <ikonia> solace: how does the kernel interface with apm to interface with the hardware ?
[20:33] <ikonia> paging is pretty much %5 of power optimisation
[20:33] <ikonia> so I'm not sure how you expect to monitor the kernel to improve power managment on a partially closed platform
[20:36] <tomeaton17> Hello, I have a jupyter notebook running on my VPS and I am connecting to it using an SSH tunnel. Is there a way that I can connect to it from any computer without the SSH tunnel?
[20:36] <younder> ikonia, Well it is down to the gowerner. The part of the kernel that controls cpu frequencey and which cores are active.
[20:36] <ikonia> younder: it's more than cpu activity that eats power
[20:36] <Yiota> tomeaton17 you need to expose the port and then proxy it with a web server afaik
[20:36] <solace> That's part of what I'm asking. Is there no way to see exactly what the kernel's doing and at what point in time?
[20:36] <solace> There have to be tools than can used for debugging a kernel
[20:37] <ikonia> solace: there are many tools you can use for analysis depending on what/how your working
[20:38] <ElinKattunge2> I have set up an LTSP server with an Ubuntu chroot, however so I found thermald was halting all my systems so I uninstalled it from the chroot, however when I came to reboot my thin clients, thermald still starts.
[20:38] <younder> ikonia, My CPU is rated for 3.4 GHz it can run 4 GHz in  turbo mode. Bot when ideling it huts down 6 core and run the reaminfg teo at 1.2 GHz. That clearly affects power consumption.
[20:38] <ElinKattunge2> How do I fix this issue? How do I remove thermald?
[20:38] <ikonia> younder: yes, I'm not disagreeing, but there is more than cpu cycles that impact power
[20:40] <ElinKattunge2> Guys?
[20:41] <ikonia> ElinKattunge2: look at the host
[20:41] <ikonia> it's more likley it's a process running from the host
[20:42] <ioria> ElinKattunge2,  thermald  is halting your clients ? how many ? what cpu ?
[20:43] <ElinKattunge2> ikonia: I don't have thermald on the host
[20:43] <ElinKattunge2> nor do I have thermald on the chroots
[20:43] <ElinKattunge2> but it is getting some init script from somewhere because I see it started in the kernel log then halt
[20:44] <tomeaton17> Yiota: Ok good idea, will try it out now
[20:44] <ikonia> ElinKattunge2: that seems unlikley
[20:44] <ikonia> if it's in the kernel log - it's the host
[20:44] <ElinKattunge2> ioria: To be honest, I didn't want to install Ubuntu, but Debian kept failing with ltsp-build-client
[20:44] <ikonia> as the chroot is not running a kernel
[20:45] <ElinKattunge2> I mean the startup thingie
[20:45] <ElinKattunge2> The host doesn't have thermald
[20:45] <ikonia> yes, but if it's being logged in the host kernel - the host is more likley trying
[20:46] <ikonia> and you've already told us the guest doesn't have it
[20:46] <ikonia> find the binary
[20:46] <ikonia> that will give you a clue
[20:47] <ElinKattunge2> Nope, no thermald to be found on anything
[20:48] <ikonia> ElinKattunge2: why do you think it's running
[20:48] <ElinKattunge2> I don't know
[20:48] <ikonia> what ??
[20:48] <ikonia> you said "it's running"
[20:48] <ikonia> now you say "you don't know"
[20:48] <ikonia> is it running yes/no
[20:48] <ElinKattunge2> It said it was
[20:48] <ElinKattunge2> but I can't find it
[20:48] <ikonia> what said it was
[20:49] <ElinKattunge2> I can't exactly debug the chroot...
[20:49] <ikonia> what said it's running
[20:49] <ElinKattunge2> there is no service for thermald on the host
[20:49] <ikonia> what said it's running
[20:49] <ElinKattunge2> The bootup process on the thin clients
[20:49] <ElinKattunge2> said it was started then halt
[20:50] <ikonia> how are you booting the thin client ?
[20:50] <ElinKattunge2> Explain?
[20:50] <ikonia> how are you booting thin clients from ltsp
[20:51] <ikonia> are you just connecting to the terminal service, or are you actually properly booting a remote client
[20:51] <ElinKattunge2> All I know is that in virtualbox, they boot fine
[20:51] <ikonia> sorry - this isn't acceptable
[20:51] <ikonia> you're doing something very odd, and something you don't understand
[20:52] <ioria> ElinKattunge2, usually you boot a thin client with dhcp + ftp
[20:52] <ElinKattunge2> Yes
[20:52] <ElinKattunge2> that is what is used
[20:52] <ikonia> you just said you don't know
[20:52] <ikonia> now you say you do know
[20:52] <ElinKattunge2> Mikrotik router with Next server option configured
[20:52] <ElinKattunge2> Sorry for not understanding...
[20:52] <ElinKattunge2> I'm not perfect
[20:52] <ikonia> I think you are not being honest with things here as you are changing your responses
[20:52] <ElinKattunge2> I have tftp and nbd
[20:53] <ioria> ElinKattunge2,  t
[20:53] <ElinKattunge2> I'm struggling
[20:53] <ikonia> then what is virutal box for
[20:53] <ElinKattunge2> I used it to PXE boot as a test
[20:53] <ioria> ElinKattunge2,  no nbd involved, iirc
[20:53] <ElinKattunge2> and it all booted right to the login
[20:53] <ikonia> so then why did you say "I don't know, all I know is virtual box"
[20:53] <ikonia> now you are saying you're not using virtual box
[20:53] <ElinKattunge2> No, I am using virtualbox
[20:53] <ikonia> sorry - this is an unacceptable approach to debugging
[20:54] <ElinKattunge2> I used it to PXE boot a chroot as a test
[20:54] <ElinKattunge2> and it worked
[20:54] <ElinKattunge2> but my thin clients halt when thermald reports "started" at the boot process
[20:54] <ElinKattunge2> Sorry once again for my misunderstanding, I'm struggling with wording
[20:55] <ioria> ElinKattunge2,  i know 14.04 works well, don't talnk about 15 or 16
[20:55] <ElinKattunge2> I use 16
[20:55] <ioria> *talk
[20:56] <QqnIer> hello
[20:56] <ducasse> ElinKattunge2: if you're having language problems you can try the localized channels. i'm guessing you are scandinavian?
[20:57] <ElinKattunge2> I'm just hungry
[20:57] <ducasse> ElinKattunge2: :)
[20:57] <ioria> lol
[20:57] <ElinKattunge2> and my brain isn't working right, I am planning on trying this tomorrow again once I've eaten and my strategy might be better.
[20:58] <ElinKattunge2> ducasse: :)
[20:58] <Siva_Machina> You are hungry? Better go eat something.
[20:59] <ducasse> ElinKattunge2: does it just hang during boot when trying to start thermald?
[20:59] <ElinKattunge2> Can't afford it
[20:59] <ElinKattunge2> ducasse: There is no service for thermald
[20:59] <ElinKattunge2> honestly
[21:00] <ElinKattunge2> So I don't understand why it attempts to start it when a service can't be found.
[21:00] <ducasse> ElinKattunge2: does it just hang during boot when _it says_ trying to start thermald?
[21:00] <ElinKattunge2> yes
[21:00] <ElinKattunge2> halts
[21:01] <DammitJim> Can I get out of 14.04 HWE while not upgrading to 16.04?
[21:02] <ihubuntu> z
[21:02] <ducasse> ElinKattunge2: i suspect thermald is a red herring here
[21:02] <ElinKattunge2> I used "locate thermald" and nothing
[21:02] <ElinKattunge2> dpkg -l shows that thermald is not installed
[21:03] <ElinKattunge2> there are no init scripts for thermald on the system
[21:03] <ducasse> ElinKattunge2: which would also indicate that.
[21:03] <compdoc> at least red is a proper color for a herring
[21:04] <ElinKattunge2> Red is a lovely color
[21:04] <ducasse> ElinKattunge2: try enabling persistent logging, and dig through the journal from a failed boot to see how far it got
[21:04] <ElinKattunge2> I have the feature walls in my home painted red!
[21:04] <ElinKattunge2> What a fantastic color!
[21:05] <ElinKattunge2> I'm pretty sure journald is an existing command...
[21:06] <ElinKattunge2> I'm going to bed before I destroy my system, night. I will be back on tomorrow for support.
[21:07] <aburrido> Hola
[21:10] <ihubuntu> hello i try make auto installer ubuntu 16.10 but i can't skip select locale keymap and country http://pastebin.com/VkFEQnUW
[21:14] <ducasse> ihubuntu: try #ubuntu-server, i'm pretty sure that came up not too long ago
[21:14] <cyberspectre> Is Ubuntu 16.04 considered unstable in contrast to 14.04? I must say that since upgrading, I've had nothing but problems
[21:14] <DammitJim> it's supposed to be pretty stable
[21:14] <DammitJim> are you on 16.04.1?
[21:14] <DammitJim> first point release where they fixed tons of things?
[21:15] <DammitJim> how much software are you running for which you had to add special repos?
[21:15] <metalliko> hello
[21:15] <cyberspectre> DammitJim, I didn't specifically install 16.04.1. I upgraded from 15.10. Doesn't 16.04 upgrade to 16.04.1 by itself?
[21:15] <metalliko> someone is watching netflix on 16.04?
[21:15] <ducasse> cyberspectre: yes, it does
[21:16] <DammitJim> oh yeah, sorry
[21:16] <cyberspectre> metalliko, the easiest way to be able to watch netflix is to use Google Chrome or Vivaldi browser
[21:16] <tomeaton17> I having a problem with apache, when I change the index.html nothing changes on the webpage, and I tried deleting index.html and it still displays the apache2 welcome page
[21:16] <cyberspectre> ducasse, when I go to 'details' it shows my OS is 16.04, but not 16.04.1
[21:17] <ducasse> tomeaton17: did you restart apache?
[21:17] <metalliko> i tried google chrome but it takes me to the system req. page
[21:17] <tomeaton17> ducasse: Yes I turned it off and it still displays the page
[21:17] <ducasse> cyberspectre: have you been installing updates?
[21:17] <cyberspectre> metalliko, you might have to enable Chrome's built-in pepper flash plugin. Go to the URL chrome:// plugins and enable the unchecked plugin
[21:18] <cyberspectre> ducasse, yes
[21:18] <tomeaton17> ducasse: But when I stop it using systemctl it is still shown in the ps list
[21:18] <ducasse> cyberspectre: what does 'lsb_release -d' say?
[21:19] <cyberspectre> ducasse, looks like it is 16.04.1
[21:21] <cyberspectre> ducasse, the issues I'm having since upgrading are graphics issues and hard drive IO errors. For months, I had to do manual fsck on every reboot, and half the time it just refused to boot... recently I completely wiped the drives and re-installed, which seems to have fixed that, but now I'm in a login loop where I can't log into a gnome desktop session. Unity works, but it looks wack
[21:22] <ducasse> cyberspectre: i/o errors usually meam failing disk. which gpu?
[21:23] <NixkorN> i think you got bad ram
[21:23] <cyberspectre> ducasse, I doubt it's a failing disk. The disk is only 15 months old, and it reports as 'good' in the SMART data. Plus, Windows has no problems with it
[21:23] <NixkorN> or failing motherboard
[21:24] <cyberspectre> NixkorN, you talking to me?
[21:24] <NixkorN> probably bad ram
[21:24] <NixkorN> i would check for that 1st
[21:24] <NixkorN> yes
[21:25] <cyberspectre> Interesting. What makes you think it's bad ram? A motherboard I can totally see. That would cause IO errors and graphics errors easily
[21:25] <NixkorN> or4 cpu
[21:25] <NixkorN> ram is easyer to repalce
[21:25] <ducasse> cyberspectre: new disks can fail too, just saying.
[21:25] <NixkorN> maybe its the cpu
[21:26] <NixkorN> since ram is easyer to check
[21:26] <NixkorN> id start there
[21:26] <cyberspectre> ducasse, right, I know, but I'm considering the SMART data. And I bought a DVR-grade HDD from Hitachi... these things are supposed to last a while
[21:27] <cyberspectre> NixkorN, think maybe it might help just to reseat the modules?
[21:27] <ducasse> cyberspectre: take a look at reallocated sectors etc from smartctl. but which gpu?
[21:28] <cyberspectre> ducasse, it's a gtx-670. Getting a little long in the tooth, but it's water cooled so it shouldn't be showing signs of wear
[21:28] <NixkorN> what resest the modules means?
[21:28] <NixkorN> if you geting errors across trhe baord might be cpu ralted
[21:29] <cyberspectre> Hm... I wish I could somehow get a definitive answer on what the problem(s) is. This may be one of those situations where you just replace things until you get it right
[21:30] <NixkorN> every distro has memcheck
[21:30] <cyberspectre> then again, like I said, Windows doesn't hiccup
[21:30] <NixkorN> start there if you dont get any error its the os
[21:30] <ducasse> cyberspectre: windows might not occupy sectors in the failing range(s), examining smartctl output is quickly done.
[21:31] <cyberspectre> Okay. So I should check smartctl and memtest
[21:31] <cyberspectre> How to check smartctl?
[21:31] <ducasse> cyberspectre: 'sudo smartctl -a'
[21:31] <cyberspectre> ducasse, I can do that while logged in?
[21:31] <ducasse> cyberspectre: 'sudo smartctl -a /dev/sdxx'
[21:31] <ducasse> cyberspectre: yes
[21:32] <cyberspectre> ducasse, smartctl command not found?
[21:32] <cyberspectre> no installation candidate either
[21:32] <ducasse> cyberspectre: install smartmontools
[21:33] <cyberspectre> ducasse, this is what the disks utility does, right?
[21:34] <squinty> yes the disks utility also has a smart section
[21:34] <ducasse> cyberspectre: it does a simpler check, aiui.
[21:37] <cyberspectre> So just to be clear, there's no reason to think downgrading to 14.04 will help in any way?
[21:38] <ducasse> vadviktor: of course it's possible - different kernel version, drivers and central pieces of software.
[21:39] <ducasse> cyberspectre: ^^
[21:40] <ducasse> cyberspectre: i've got to get to bed, but i'm sure someone can help if you hang around.
[21:40] <cyberspectre> thanks ducasse
[21:43] <ElinKattunge2> ducasse, ikonia, Fixed! xD
[21:43] <riccardo> Hi, I'm having massive disk writes at every ubuntu boot (in the order of 150GB), I saw it through dumpe2fs
[21:43] <ElinKattunge2> Problem all solved!
[21:45] <riccardo> I have 16.04, stock kernel. I have installed ubuntu since a few days and I already have over 1TB of data written to the newly created filesystem
[21:46] <riccardo> continuing this way my SSD will get killed in few weeks or so
[21:47] <Zen> riccardo: unlikely, but 150GB would mean you're getting 5+ minute boot times
[21:48] <Zen> Something is really broken
[21:48] <Zen> I'd boot from USB and see if the same is happening.
[21:49] <cyberspectre> interesting. I'm getting hugely long boot times on my SSD also
[21:50] <riccardo> Zen, systemd-analyze says Startup finished in 3.759s (firmware) + 15.920s (loader) + 14.522s (kernel) + 6.895s (userspace) = 41.097s
[21:51] <Zen> riccardo: systemd-analyze blame
[21:52] <riccardo> Zen, this is kinda worrying problem and I just went against it randomly checking my last filesystem check via dumpe2fs
[21:52] <riccardo> Zen, nothing irregular there,  6.525s<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:52] <riccardo>           5.261s NetworkManager-wait-online.service
[21:52] <riccardo>            833ms gpu-manager.service
[21:52] <riccardo> these are the first 3 entries, pretty normal stuff
[21:53] <Zen> Oh, its kernel thats taking ages
[21:54] <riccardo> indeed, 14s but it could be anything
[21:54] <Zen> kernel log would be useful in that case, journalctl -xe
[21:55] <riccardo> nothing relevant there, just some network red lines
[21:57] <riccardo> thing is I don't even have 150GB of data on the SSD, $(df -h) says I have just 45GB used
[21:57] <Zen> riccardo: just because you don't see anything doesn't mean we wont, post it please.
[21:59] <ElinKattunge2> o.o
[21:59] <riccardo> Zen, http://termbin.com/vywo
[21:59] <ElinKattunge2> riccardo: I must've downloaded a load of cp to your SSD
[21:59] <carldanle> quick question for everyone - do these IP tables look like they'll work? https://gist.github.com/carldanley/81cd03b1707caafd01e4066c00714264
[22:02] <riccardo> ElinKattunge2, what do you mean?
[22:03] <Zen> riccardo: ok, not sure, do a fresh install and see if it persists
[22:04] <riccardo> Zen, do you have any better idea instead of wiping everything?
[22:04] <Zen> Its the thing thats most likely to solve the issue
[22:05] <Zen> That or the tool you used to look at disk writes was wrong
[22:05] <DBSNode> or both
[22:05] <Zen> actually
[22:05] <Zen> it is false
[22:05] <DBSNode> is it though?
[22:05] <riccardo> maybe, but I came from a fresh install
[22:05] <Zen> 150GB in 41s is 3.6GB/s
[22:06] <DammitJim> that's fast
[22:06] <Zen> Thats 29Gbps
[22:06] <riccardo> you are assuming it happens just at exact boot time though
[22:06] <DammitJim> that's more faster
[22:06] <DBSNode> "more faster"
[22:06] <Zen> DammitJim: huh, no its the same speed
[22:06] <Zen> regardless
[22:06] <DBSNode> i want to claw my eyes out
[22:07] <DammitJim> LOL... exactly
[22:07] <DammitJim> that's why I said more -> faster
[22:07] <Zen> riccardo: you said at every boot, so over what period of time is it?
[22:07] <DammitJim> happy thanksgiving guys
[22:07] <riccardo> it's about 4 or 5 boots
[22:08] <riccardo> i just hit 1TB of writes with ~150GB at every boot
[22:09] <Zen> Right.. so its writes over an unspecified amount of time
[22:09] <riccardo> I need some confirmation about dumpe2fs being wrong
[22:09] <Zen> idk
[22:09] <DBSNode> confirmed
[22:10] <riccardo> is there any other way to look at a lifetime write of a fs?
[22:10] <Zen> its probably right, but the way you worded your question made it seem like it did 150GB of writes every boot
[22:11] <riccardo> well, if I leave the PC on for a few hours, there are no suspicious writes of any kind (constantly checking with $(iotop -Pao))
[22:11] <Zen> I still don't know the rate at which you're seeing these writes
[22:11] <riccardo> by the time the PC boots and I go checking dumpe2fs, I find ~150GB of lifetime writes added
[22:12] <Zen> you're just confusing things even more
[22:12] <riccardo> sorry, I'm trying my best
[22:12] <tgm4883> riccardo: that's confusing. So if you rebooted right now and then immediately checked, you would see ~150GB of writes since you booted?
[22:12] <riccardo> exactly
[22:13] <Zen> And if you reboot immediately after that you see another +150GB?
[22:13] <riccardo> exactly
[22:13] <tgm4883> riccardo: or, what I think y ou're trying to say is if you rebooted right now then immediately checked, you would see ~180GB of lifetime writes
[22:13] <Zen> Then sounds like dumpe2fs is probably not correct then
[22:13] <riccardo> I hope so or I need another SSD within a week
[22:14] <Zen> eh, SSDs will happily take 500+TB of writes
[22:14] <riccardo> tgm4883, that!
[22:14] <tgm4883> riccardo: riccardo those are two very different things...
[22:14] <riccardo> not sure about it, mine is quite old and I recall it being rated +10TB of writes
[22:14] <riccardo> it's a Sam 830 evo
[22:14] <Zen> riccardo: see http://techreport.com/review/27909/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-theyre-all-dead
[22:16] <riccardo> Zen, those stats are amazing. I thought they would last much less
[22:16] <Zen> Nope
[22:17] <Zen> If the 840 pro can take 2.4PB of writes, I'm pretty confident yours will be happy with at least 500TB
[22:17] <riccardo> Zen, btw do you know any method that can check lifetime writes without using dumpe2fs?
[22:18] <riccardo> Zen, this is kinda a relieve. But if I continue adding ~150GB every boot then 500TB is a pretty reachable limit
[22:20] <Guest47427> hi
[22:21] <Guest47427> what s the command line to updat ethe grub as user
[22:21] <tgm4883> riccardo: you aren't adding ~150GB every boot. It sounds like you're adding ~30GB every boot
[22:22] <tgm4883> Now I'd still say that's likely wrong, but lets at least get the probably stated correctly
[22:22] <Guest47427> does anyone know the command line to update the grub2 I tried sudo update-grub but it doesn't work
[22:22] <tgm4883> Guest47427: did you try 'sudo update-grub2' ?
[22:22] <riccardo> tgm4883, let's explain it in pseudocode: dumpe2fs.lifetime_writes += 150
[22:23] <tgm4883> riccardo: ok, so then what's the output of this command
[22:23] <Guest47427> hi tgm4883: I also did: /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: failed to get canonical path of `/cow'.
[22:23] <riccardo> tgm4883, and that happens if I reboot my PC
[22:23] <tgm4883> riccardo: 'sudo lshw -class disk'
[22:23] <Guest47427> hi tgm4883: I wonder if I need to do it as a root
[22:23] <tgm4883> Guest47427: well yes
[22:23] <Guest47427> hi tgm4883: I am running live cd
[22:24] <riccardo> tgm4883, http://termbin.com/aqir
[22:24] <aruns_> Hi.
[22:24] <phc> hye
[22:25] <Guest47427> any clue guys how can I do it as a root?
[22:26] <Zen> riccardo: Whats the output of smartctl for the disk?
[22:26] <tgm4883> riccardo: ok, so lets assume that the math done earlier was correct but perhaps the time frame was too short. Lets say it takes you 4X as long to check it after booting than was previously stated
[22:26] <tgm4883> so 164 seconds
[22:27] <riccardo> Zen, http://termbin.com/n7je
[22:27] <phc> hey folks.  i'm writing a grant to get two DIY desktops in my local high school.  the idea is to have the students assemble two desktop systems, install ubuntu, and have the two computers "network" with one another.  are these two DIY newegg bundles appropriate, and what router would you recommend?  http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.2938462  and http://www.n
[22:27] <phc> ewegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.3186807
[22:28] <phc> i wanted the students to see both intel and AMD chips
[22:28] <tgm4883> riccardo: The previous math indicated 3.6GB/s, so using our new estimate of 4X as long, we're looking at about 900MB/s
[22:28] <phc> thanks so much for any advice or critique.  it's for the children!
[22:29] <riccardo> tgm4883, the actual write speed for my SSD should be around 300MB/s i think
[22:29] <Zen> riccardo: 5TB of writes on it so far
[22:29] <tgm4883> riccardo: assuming that it's all sequential, the Samsung 840 benchmarks at 350MB/s write speed
[22:29] <phc> the idea is also to have two systems that will still perform in five years, although by "perform" i mean use open source applications
[22:29] <phc> and not "game"
[22:29] <Zen> riccardo: reboot and run smartctl again, and we will see if the disk thinks its had another 150GB of writes
[22:30] <riccardo> Zen, I see but I don't know if 1TB comes from my latest ubuntu installation
[22:30] <phc> the computers will not have internet access through the school's infrastructure, so i'll be burning the distro to disc
[22:30] <Zen> riccardo: Whats the total that dumpe2fs is showing?
[22:30] <tgm4883> riccardo: the proper thing to do here is what Zen said, then we can compare what the difference is between both runs
[22:30] <riccardo> Zen, Lifetime writes:          1083 GB
[22:30] <Zen> ok
[22:31] <Zen> So reboot, we will see if both go up by a large amount
[22:31] <riccardo> roger. doing it now. see you within a min
[22:31] <ramzeus> zfaarova
[22:32] <ramzeus> hello
[22:32] <ramzeus> can anyone help me?
[22:32] <Zen> ask your question
[22:32] <ramzeus> ive got slow video playback on my raspberry pi with ubuntu mate
[22:32] <mira> hi
[22:33] <mira> hi
[22:33] <ramzeus> and sound doesnt hear aswell
[22:33] <Guest97130> ? :
[22:33] <tgm4883> ramzeus: what type of video?
[22:33] <ramzeus> can be anything done with that ?
[22:33] <ramzeus> playing videos in browser
[22:33] <ramzeus> like movies
[22:33] <ramzeus> watching online
[22:33] <Zen> What resolution? Flash player in use?
[22:34] <tgm4883> seriously not enough details
[22:34] <Zen> we don't even know which pi you have
[22:34] <riccardo> here I am
[22:34] <riccardo> Lifetime writes:          1084 GB
[22:34] <Zen> So.. it hasn't gone up
[22:34] <riccardo> just 1GB at this round
[22:35] <Zen> well, 0 < x ≤ 1
[22:35] <ramzeus> i have pi 3 , ubuntu mate , i just wanted to watch movie online , and had a bad sound (like damaged tv sound) and slow playback
[22:35] <riccardo> Zen, http://termbin.com/wvsn
[22:35] <phc> float any ideas to my query, and ill read up for sure
[22:35] <riccardo> this is the new smartctl output
[22:36] <ramzeus> my raspberry pi is attached on my 1080p tv
[22:37] <th0r> ramzeus, the only way I have been able to watch video on my pi is using omxplayer.
[22:37] <ramzeus> iam new with linux system , and dont know what to do ,maybe this raspberry is too weak for online watching
[22:37] <ramzeus> ?
[22:38] <brian15co> Hey everyone. If I f'd up my graphics drivers and cannot reach a greet screen, how might I be able to reinstall them? Every boot brings me to a jumbled screen of vertical lines
[22:38] <brian15co> like this http://imgur.com/2Y8vMl6
[22:38] <ramzeus> i cant find use for my Pi ,
[22:38] <riccardo> btw Zen and tgm4883 thanks for the support!
[22:39] <Juanete> Hi there Channel
[22:39] <Zen> riccardo: yeah, looks like it jumped ~350MB
[22:39] <Zen> So, thats about normal I should expect
[22:40] <ramzeus> Th0r , what have you used you PI for ?
[22:40] <Zen> ramzeus: we still don't know if you were using flash, and on what browser would also be useful
[22:40] <th0r> ramzeus, would be glad to discuss it in #raspbian...I have six
[22:40] <Zen> The Pis aren't very powerful, but should be able to handle video play back
[22:41] <Juanete> I'm coming here to as a curious question maybe someone can help. I'm trying to block a continent IP with mod_geoip in ubuntu 14.04, but all I can is in every htacess of every domain. But I wanted to do it at a server level and I've done it in apache2.conf, but is giving me an error with the "Deny". How can I blcok ip address ata  a server level so I don't have to edit one by one the htacces? Tahnk you all
[22:42] <Zen> Juanete: firewall, I believe its iptables on 14.04
[22:43] <cygnus1412> can anybody tell me how to change the priority of analog-output sound
 yes, that's the second chance I'm going to take, I was wondering if any solution before taking that path
[22:45] <cygnus1412> anybody ??
[22:45] <poco_> So I guess I didn't understand OpenGL and I bought a game requiring 4.X (Divinity Original Sin) and I only have 3.0. After doing some research I'm starting to realize that I can't update my OpenGL unless drivers are built around it and it doesn't look like they are (XPS 13 9343 Intel® Core™ i5-5200U CPU @ 2.20GHz × Intel® HD Graphics 5500 (Broadwel
[22:45] <poco_> l GT2) )
[22:46] <poco_> Am I correct in my assumption or is there a way I can still get it working?
[22:47] <Zen> Juanete: I'm confused to why you wouldn't want to use IPtables, it can act at most levels of the OSI model so should be able to do what you want
[22:47] <Zen> poco_: if your hardware doesn't support it then no
[22:48] <poco_> It's just strange to me that there doesn't seem to be an easy way to check. I saw an official Intel page that my Intel 5500 *can* support OpenGL 4 but I guess at this point it doesn't? It's just strange to me
 because in IP tables I have to ad all the ip's
[22:50] <Not_a_Robot> Guys, how can I make grup reload operating systems, please?
[22:50] <Not_a_Robot> It is pointing to a wrong Windows installation
[22:50] <Juanete> with the mod_geoip only two letters for a continent
[22:50] <Not_a_Robot> because using Grup I can't boot to that OS
[22:50] <Not_a_Robot> but if I select to boot directly that hard drive, the OS boots
[22:50] <Not_a_Robot> so I think Grub neeeds to update that
[22:51] <Not_a_Robot> I don't know what to search on the Internet for this topic
[22:51] <Zen> Juanete: geoip would give you many false positives
[22:52] <Zen> tbh I don't even know why you want to block entire continents like that
 because the people coming to the site is only from one country
[22:53] <Zen> poco_: I assume you looked at the output of glxinfo
[22:53] <tgm4883> poco_: You could try https://01.org/linuxgraphics/downloads  Keep in mind that I haven't tested that so if it breaks you get to keep both pieces
[22:53] <poco_> Yeah
[22:53] <Zen> ok
 The goal is that they are using my mail to send spam mails and I want to blcok any of them trying
[22:53] <poco_> tgm4883: I've been trying that but can't get the deb package to install
[22:54] <tgm4883> Juanete: sounds like you need to fix your mail server
[22:54] <Zen> poco_: I completely forgot to ask what ubuntu version you're on :D
[22:54] <poco_> 16.04 gnome
[22:54] <Zen> Juanete: oh right, forget blocking like that, use fail2ban
 I'm on it... although I'm not a really advance admin, I'm trying :-)
[22:54] <Zen> poco_: ack.. then mesa just doesn't like you :(
 Already installed today reading Fail2ban
[22:55] <Juanete> any advice more than Fail2Ban?
[22:55] <Zen> Its all I really run
[22:55] <tgm4883> Juanete: I'm not sure about blocking entire continents, but I would just do it via iptables (actually, i'd just use fail2ban)
[22:55] <poco_> Zen: damn :(
[22:55] <poco_> there goes $20
 I'm reading the mail.log in apache2 and it looks like they are trying all the time from some places not interst on it... same IP address.. but I don't want to be all the time on top of the server adding IP's
[22:56] <Zen> Juanete: I feel you may not be up to running a mail server, mine loves to break on me and I know it inside out
[22:56] <poco_> I tried installing Divinity under Wine but that's a whole other mess than I can't seem to work
 lol
[22:56] <Zen> Though I'm confused to why you are mentioning apache2 if its a mail server.. O,o
[22:57] <Zen> Which guide did you follow to set it up?
 https://www.howtoforge.com/installing-mod_geoip-for-apache2-on-ubuntu-12.04
[22:58] <Zen> Juanete: which guide did you follow for setting up your mail server?
 hours of reading through plesk and internet... days doing it, taking really care.
[22:59]  * kali_user asks: I installed Ubuntu GNOME 16.10 and when I try to do an apt-get xchat-gnome the package cannot be found, how can I figure out what changes to my /etc/apt/source.list are requisite in pursuance of being able to effectuate installation of the package on my target system???
[22:59] <Sean_McG> hi all
[22:59] <Zen> Juanete: And where did apache2 come into this then? Because apache2 is a web server and has nothing to do with mail servers
[22:59]  * kali_user says uh, hello all too
[22:59] <Not_a_Robot> Nobody can help with my simple issue please
 https://support.tigertech.net/mod-geoip
[23:00] <Zen> mod_geoip is a plugin for apache2 yes
[23:00] <Zen> But still has nothing to do with mail servers
[23:00] <jim> can I still get 14.04?
[23:01] <Juanete> well, I'm mixing both concepts because I'm doing it because of mail block listed in internet.
[23:01] <Juanete> I want to block this IP's
[23:01] <Sean_McG> jim: I would think so.
[23:01] <Juanete> that's why I give the relation
[23:02] <jim> Sean_McG, ok, I'd like to get the netinstall, 32 bit intel... do you know where that is?
[23:02] <EriC^^> !mini | jim
[23:02] <Sean_McG> give me a moment. Desktop/Server/something else?... oh, cheers EriC^^
[23:03]  * kali_user asks: Hello all! I installed Ubuntu GNOME 16.10 and when I try to do an apt-get xchat-gnome the package cannot be found, how can I figure out what changes to my /etc/apt/source.list are requisite in pursuance of being able to effectuate installation of the package on my target system???
[23:03] <Bashing-om> !xchat | kali_user
[23:03] <EriC^^> jim: it's legacy only fwiw
[23:03] <poco_> See this is what confuses me. The release notes say that Mesa 13.1.0 (which I have) supports OpenGL 4.4 but I'm still on 3.0. How am I supposed to know if my system can get OpenGL 4.X?
[23:03] <Zen> Juanete: but mail servers and web servers do not interact
[23:04] <kali_user> Bashing-om, and ubottu: Thank you so very much! I shall do exactly that!
[23:04] <Sean_McG> poco_: there are function calls in OpenGL to get the version string
[23:04] <Zen> Juanete: mod_geoip will make apache block connections from those IPs, but it wont block them talking to your mail server..
[23:04] <Bashing-om> kali_user: :) happy 'buntu'n .
[23:04] <poco_> Sean_McG: you mean "glxinfo | grep "OpenGL version"?
[23:04] <Sean_McG> poco_: or that, yes
[23:04] <kali_user> Xchat shall be extirpated from my ansible installation script of packages!?!
[23:05] <poco_> Sean_McG: yeah still showing me string: 3.0
[23:05] <JBall> join #python
[23:05] <poco_> Sean_McG:
[23:05] <poco_> "OpenGL version string: 3.0 Mesa 13.1.0-devel"
 8| Really????
[23:05] <Zen> Juanete: why would it? thats a stupid idea
[23:06] <Sean_McG> poco_: I believe it is possible to build Mesa for older OpenGL APIs
 I thought that if I block that IP, the IP won't enter any port (25) or any other port.
[23:06] <Zen> You're clearly in over your head, probably with a mail server thats acting as an open proxy
[23:06]  * kali_user says to Bashing-om, et alia: In fact over time I have simply conducted upgrades to Ubuntu and I recently decided its time to conduct a fresh install and reappoint the totality of my configuration. I have installed a virtual machine to do my testing, and am planning to 'ansible-ize' my full configuration after the initial installation was completed. Thanks again. Also, how can I get the status of other packages?
[23:06] <jim> EriC^^, Sean_McG, thanks :)
[23:06] <kali_user> !hexchat
[23:07] <Sean_McG> poco_: I'm still on trusty so mine says 3.3
[23:07] <poco_> Sean_McG: So why is my system still on 3.0? I mean it's a very modern system and Inetl 5500 graphics seem to support 4.X
[23:07] <EriC^> jim: no problem :)
[23:07] <kali_user> !wine
 If I block all ports TCP and UDP for an specific IP, wouldn't that block the access to the mail?
[23:07] <Zen> Juanete: yes if you use iptables to do it
 I'm having postfix login fails...
[23:07] <poco_> I guess at this point I'm more curious than anything else to determine why my system isn't supported for OpenGL 4
[23:08] <kali_user> !xchat
[23:08] <Zen> Juanete: thats another issue then
[23:08] <Sean_McG> poco_: not sure -- I have an Intel as well and am trying to build a .deb of Mesa 12.0 so I can get OpenGL 4.4 as well
[23:08] <koroso> hey all
[23:08] <Sean_McG> poco_: at least until I can get my nVidia up and working again ;)
[23:08] <kali_user> !iscsitarget
[23:09] <Zen> Juanete: you clearly aren't proficient enough with linux and server management concepts to have a hope in hell in getting a functioning mail server working
 how can I stop having my mail.log file full of people trying to access all types of accoutns?
 thank you for saying, but the path to learn is to fail
[23:09] <poco_> hmmm well I can only get a $20 refund of GOG credit, not a full refund. Anyone have any ideas what to get instead of Divinity Original Sin? haha
[23:10] <funabashi> hey guys do you know any torrent client for cli ?
[23:10] <Sean_McG> funabashi: I think Transmission has a CLI version
[23:10] <wedgie> funabashi: rtorrent
[23:11] <Zen> Juanete: start with something simpler, because you dived in at the deep end, it took me months to get my mail server to be stable and email from it to be accepted by all the major email services
[23:11] <Zen> Pretty sure only a small portion of the people in here have ever gotten a mail server running well too
[23:12] <Sean_McG> I've got sendmail going on my Solaris box, and my Ubuntu machine just smarthosts to it
 ok.  I already know that.
[23:13] <amikrop> Hi, pc started to be very slow, up to the point it wouldn't boot, so I tried to install ubuntu from usb. Installer freezes at 2nd window. sudo badblocks -sv /dev/sda stucks at 0:00 done (elapsed time runs normally). Is it a disk problem?
[23:13] <Zen> For the most part the actual MTA is a simple setup, its the authentication you have to bolt on around it thats a PITA
[23:14] <Halfcreative> Hey all! first time using IRC how is everyone
[23:14] <amikrop> Also, when I tried to backup 20GB, it took 2:30 hours
[23:14] <Jordan_U> amikrop: Please pastebin the output of "dmesg" and "sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda".
[23:17] <amikrop> Jordan_U: dmesg http://paste.ubuntu.com/23524731/  sudo: smartctl: command not found
[23:17] <Sean_McG> sudo apt-get install smarttools -- I think
[23:18] <funkyjive> cp -avu /source /target is copying files that have the same md5sum and the same date (according to ls -l)
[23:18] <funkyjive> does anyone have any idea why that might be?
[23:18] <Zen> Sean_McG: smartmontools*
[23:18] <Sean_McG> right
[23:18] <amikrop> Sean_McG: E: Unable to locate package smarttools
[23:18] <Zen> amikrop: see my last message
[23:19] <funkyjive> I have a USB3 drive enclosure mounted as a separate drive that I have used for backups.   went to refresh the backup today and it is like it is copying everything.
[23:19] <Bashing-om> !find iscsitarget
[23:19] <Sean_McG> ooof, iSCSI
[23:19] <Sean_McG> have fun.
[23:19] <amikrop> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23524742/
[23:20] <amikrop> Jordan_U: smartctl http://paste.ubuntu.com/23524746/
[23:20] <Juanete> How can I remove/block the LOGIN FAILED from courier-pop3d from a specific IP address and/or user from a domain hosted in the server?
[23:20] <amikrop> Jordan_U: also, this output may help http://paste.ubuntu.com/23524742/
[23:21] <Sean_McG> Juanete: you probably want to firewall them out if they are abusing your system
[23:22] <Juanete> Sean_McG: Already did in the Firewall in Plesk, with a new rule Denying it but stilll getting this mail.log errors...
[23:22] <allthebrians> GRAPHICS TROUBLE: I tried switching from an AMD FirePro 7000 to a Nvidia GTX 970. Long story short, I removed the graphics card and am at my login screen with a single DVI plugged into the motherboard. YAY! Now what? reinstall Nvidia drivers? But the card isn't plugged in yet
[23:23] <Juanete> Sean_McG: https://i.imgur.com/HFqQs7H.png
[23:23] <Sean_McG> if you did it right, it shouldn't appear in the mail.log
[23:24] <mr_yogurt_> When I boot ubuntu, I get a [FAILED] Failed to start Load Kernel Modules. See 'systemctl status systemd-modules-load.service' for details.
[23:24] <Sean_McG> Juanete: I don't know enough about Plesk to know if that is correct
[23:24] <Sean_McG> Juanete: is it possible the traffic is outgoing as well as incoming?
[23:24] <Juanete> Sean_McG: what do you recommend at a system level?
[23:24] <Jordan_U> allthebrians: Physically install the new Nvidia card, then install the proprietary drivers for the card (*If* you want to) via the Additional Drivers tool.
[23:25] <trenton> Hi, I can't open Chromium
[23:25] <amikrop> Jordan_U: any conclusions?
[23:25] <Sean_McG> Juanete: no real recommendations
[23:26] <Juanete> Sean_McG:
[23:26] <Juanete> https://i.imgur.com/oCnaoL6.png
[23:26] <Sean_McG> Juanete: is it possible the firewall rule isn't actually active yet?
[23:26] <Juanete> I did that
[23:26] <trenton> OK, I'll look online for solutions via Firefox
[23:27] <Juanete> Sean_McG:
[23:27] <Juanete> Sean_McG: You were right it wasn't applied
[23:28] <Juanete> Sean_McG: Going to check in few minutes
[23:28] <Juanete> Thnks!!!
[23:28] <Sean_McG> Juanete: OK, good luck
[23:29] <Jordan_U> amikrop: What are you using postfix for?
[23:29] <amikrop> Jordan_U: its just the live usb
[23:30] <tpw_rules> i powered up my system this morning and it doesn't make it to the desktop. it boots as normal, seems to do nothing for a couple minutes while the moving dots and ubuntu logo are up, then drops into a systemd recovery shell or something. i ran journalctl -xb like it said and didn't see anything particularly terrible. there's "name server cannot be used: Temporary failure in name resolution (-3)" from ntpdate, the nvidia driver
[23:30] <tpw_rules>  complaining about something, and apparently the swap device cannot be found
[23:30] <Jordan_U> amikrop: Ahh, ok.
[23:31] <Jordan_U> tpw_rules: Any idea why the swap device can't be found? Have you made any changes recently related to that?
[23:31] <tpw_rules> i don't believe so. all my disks are working fine. windows 10 is on the same system, maybe it repartitioned and didn't notice
[23:31] <Sean_McG> aren't disks all mounted by a label now?
[23:31] <Jordan_U> tpw_rules: Anything interesting from "systemctl status lightdm"?
[23:32] <tpw_rules> Jordan_U: it says Active: inactive (dead). and the little mini-log just says systemd stopped light display manager
[23:33] <Jordan_U> tpw_rules: Interesting. Try "systemctl start lightdm".
[23:33] <tpw_rules> that's just brought me back to the purple screen with the moving dots. it will probably give me back a recovery shell in a minute or so
[23:33] <Zen> tpw_rules: windows 10 has a habit of resetting your fastboot options on updates
[23:33] <trenton> Can't find a solution!!! :(
[23:33] <tpw_rules> Zen: what would that do? they aren't on the same partition or even device
[23:34] <tpw_rules> and it's like "timed out waiting for dev\disk-by-uuid\<garbage>
[23:34] <Zen> tpw_rules: if you try to mount any ntfs drives in fstab they will fail
[23:34] <Zen> Because windows 10 didn't unmount them cleanly because of fastboot
[23:34] <tpw_rules> oh yeah i know that. but i'm not doing that
[23:34] <tpw_rules> yeah i'm familiar with that irritation
[23:34] <Zen> ok, just something worth mentioning
[23:35] <tpw_rules> all my partitions are in order. i don't think swap is the issue
[23:36] <Zen> tpw_rules: blkid will list disks by UUID so you can identify which is causing that timeout
[23:37] <tpw_rules> yeah it couldn't mount swap because the uuid changed
[23:37] <tpw_rules> can i set it back somehow?
[23:37] <Jordan_U> tpw_rules: Please pastebin the output of "sudo blkid" and the contents of your /etc/fstab.
[23:37] <Zen> if swap UUID changed you need to update fstab with the new UUID then
[23:38] <tpw_rules> if i just update fstab that's all i need to do?
[23:38] <tpw_rules> do i need to muck in systemd?
[23:38] <Jordan_U> tpw_rules: Just make sure that the UUID in /etc/fstab matches the UUID of the swap partition. Though UUIDs don't just change, they are either explicitly set or mkswap is used to re-format the swap partition.
[23:39] <tpw_rules> maybe it was never set correctly in the first place. i'll mkswap and see if that fixes it
[23:39] <Jordan_U> tpw_rules: If that is the only problem, then that is all that you need to fix.
[23:39] <Jordan_U> tpw_rules: Don't do that.
[23:39] <tpw_rules> why not
[23:39] <Zen> Because the UUID will just change again
[23:39] <tpw_rules> and then i'll update fstab with the new uuid
[23:40] <tpw_rules> the partition that i designated as swap is there, it just doesn't have the same uuid
[23:40] <Jordan_U> tpw_rules: There is no reason to re-run mkswap, and if you make a typo you could accidentally overwrite valuable data.
[23:40] <tpw_rules> fair enough
[23:42] <Skydancer123> hello i have a touchscreen and rpi now i need a rightclick    anyone can help me ?
[23:44] <stan_man_can> Hi all, two issues that are super annoying on 16.04. 1) Sometimes when I login my mouse cursor doesn't appear for like 30-90 seconds
[23:44] <stan_man_can> if I click and drag I get the blue select box, but the cursor remains hidden until it randomly appears
[23:45] <stan_man_can> 2) sometimes when my computer locks due to in-activity, the box that normally shows my user name and the pasword box is empty so I have to hard-reset
[23:45] <stan_man_can> any ideas>
[23:46] <Skydancer123> on the raspberry pi?
[23:46] <tpw_rules> okay i had to update the UUID for both the efi boot partition and swap partition. windows must have touched them updating
[23:46] <Sean_McG> bleh why is the indexer so slow on Eclipse... I have an 8-core box dammit
[23:46] <Jordan_U> tpw_rules: Windows is not likely to be the cause of this problem.
[23:47] <tpw_rules> then what would have changed the UUID of my efi system partition and swap partition but not the OS partition?
[23:47] <amikrop> Live USB installer freezes at 2nd screen.. (and 20gb backup took 2:30 hours).. could it be disk problems? dmesg http://paste.ubuntu.com/23524731/  smartctl http://paste.ubuntu.com/23524746/
[23:49] <tpw_rules> wait god damn it i just realized what happened. grub's configuration got messed up and somehow found an old installation on a disk i had connected
[23:49] <Jordan_U> tpw_rules: Again, UUIDs don't just change. Either the fstab was modified or the partitions were deleted and re-made.
[23:49] <tpw_rules> so it was an old instance expecting different support partitions
[23:50] <tpw_rules> and i was selecting the wrong entry in grub. okay that was entirely my fault
[23:52] <salamanderrake> how do I set up update-alternatives to switch between clang and gcc using the cc var?
[23:53] <Sean_McG> oooo mixing and matching compilers, fun fun fun
[23:59] <salamanderrake> Sean_McG: it worked before, all I had to do was make sure it was set to gcc for the nvidia drivers.


[01:02] <cooleb09> ...but don't use a raw block device like that
[01:02] <cooleb09> and typically when i'm reading books on ML, several take care to transpose in the right places
[01:02] <cooleb09> oh sorry, that is a typo.
[01:36] <GekkePrutser13> IcePic: apparently there were some changes to newer tor browsers to keep circuits open way longer and forcing them to terminate faster could cause problems with clients.
[01:36] <GekkePrutser13> note that the geometric series converges to 2
[01:36] <GekkePrutser13> comjf, you can also go between workspaces with ctrl+alt+scroll up or down.
[01:36] <GekkePrutser13> or make a different metric out of that, like nginx_http_requests_total?
[02:12] <illustris_4> kmc: this complicates my life heavily
[02:12] <illustris_4> yeah you can't do that with nginx
[04:26] <metaglog29> I wonder if there is a way to cut power to that pci slot?
[04:26] <metaglog29> warbo: there no I in TEAM
[04:26] <metaglog29> sheriffs: landed a recipe change that will affect how builders & testers transfer build products; if you see weird infra failures, please lmk or ping the trooper (who i have also warned)
[07:58] <alanz16> [ You rack disciprine - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
[07:58] <alanz16> orly means oh really.
[08:59] <liori_> 600
[08:59] <liori_> ah right complement was the word im looking for, thanks
[08:59] <liori_> happens ;)
[08:59] <liori_> some would say to use a std::map inside a std::set
[08:59] <liori_> m_ben: http://ix.io/1mJh
[09:17] <JackneillYU> they're still manufactured to specs since they're shipped all over the world
[09:17] <JackneillYU> it's not really practicle as a gum cleanup cause it evaporates so far
[09:22] <Guest94207> I have one for you. Have you looked at my cloak? :)
[09:22] <Guest94207> Me too. I switched the knob to AC, 200 and 600, and I didn't get any read.
[09:22] <Guest94207> If your file manager supports actions, you can whip up a bash script that images a device with dd or pv (possibly you could make a GUI progress bar with pv and a X-based dialog clone, pv's man page has a one-liner for dialog), and use that as an action
[09:34] <hideiX> lnnb: no  I do not want to dammage my system sorry
[09:34] <hideiX> i don't own a windows license
[09:43] <BiohZniR> do what the people say and run dmesg ffs!
[09:43] <BiohZniR> deskwizard: I ... see...
[10:45] <jyrkia> on #vim or #tmux or ##linux or some channel
[10:45] <jyrkia> mwilson good
[11:02] <Guest24407> err, s/ssh//
[11:02] <Guest24407> Patsie: I wanted to tee a big command to file and see a sample with head. guess I can do it without piping, thanks!
[11:02] <Guest24407> fine?
[11:03] <Guest24407> the_document: yes, i know, i have both here right not.
[11:32] <Fuchikoma_> that is effectively the plan, the first one for example is the CA for my internal network
[11:32] <Fuchikoma_> mint you say, I never used that one
[11:32] <Fuchikoma_> to include hex color ?
[11:32] <Fuchikoma_> https://sanctum.geek.nz/blinkenlights/wtfigo.jpg
[12:17] <KitlithiE> [ Skyfall - Silva's Reunion with M (1080p) - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
[12:17] <KitlithiE> im tryin to stay cheerful today
[12:17] <KitlithiE> m_ben: do you have an opinion on deoplete vs youCompleteMe? I have only ever used deoplete
[12:18] <KitlithiE> I'm taking the docroot of a directory and concatenating the remainer of the directory
[12:22] <makefuKU> in any case, if you don't have DHCP, the result depends entirely on the equipment's firmware
[12:22] <makefuKU> remember, his lovers weren't in the Crown
[12:22] <makefuKU> Is that nick a tribute to starship troopers movies?
[12:42] <shadowpastegb> x1f577:  In addition I've found most optimization is gained through using language features such as const, inlining, etc.  While inlining is explicit and should be done on a case by case, some things like const should always be done for safety reasons.
[12:42] <shadowpastegb> how would I add a second rsync command to this same ssh conn? rsync -r -a -v -e "ssh -p'$port' -i /keys/id_rsa" /go/src/"$projectname"/"$projectname" root@"$ipnum":/usr/local/go/bin/"$projectname"
[14:27] <Mister_Magisterk> something about testing things to see what happens when using something in a way not intended is the best form of discovery, its just to bad all non-system code can't be executed like a vbs file with "On Error Resume next" -> although for video formats spoofing the details can usually make a non-compatible video play will little or no corruption...
[14:27] <Mister_Magisterk> i was sure that was just a transcription error
[14:27] <Mister_Magisterk> I mean it is. Xbox, ps4 are both PCs, they’re just also running set top boxes
[14:27] <Mister_Magisterk> I hope that's comforting.
[14:27] <Mister_Magisterk> Psi-Jack: I do envy that part of people with narcissistic streaks. you underestimate threats and feel safe in your ignorance, whereas those of us on the opposite end of the spectrum are maddened by the inability to pick out any and all bad actors who might intend us harm
[14:27] <Mister_Magisterk> dhess: https://gist.github.com/cleverca22/7ae0ee0847b3da2150d22ee63175dbad
[15:26] <Guest45299> stevendale: hell no
[15:26] <Guest45299> zap0: they don't?
[15:26] <Guest45299> ghome-shell runs at 100% when this happens, it once cause 'overheat' in dmesg when it gets stuck
[15:26] <Guest45299> I'm actually copying parts of it from a project called openacs, it also has an attributes system where I create a type (which creates a table) and then I can add attributes to the type (which adds columns to the table)
[15:34] <jbailey_> they confused P(B) with P(B|A)
[15:34] <jbailey_> << array<char, 4>().size()
[15:34] <jbailey_> Heck even my Intel Extreme Graphics 2 does
[15:34] <jbailey_> SO it gets down to this: Depending on what has to be done for that branch, to run "git submodule update" immediately in the middle of rebase, in case of me right now being on the old local master, I would have to run "git submodule update" before or after running the merge command ?
[15:34] <jbailey_> 「JPEG image data, baseline, precision 8, 1570x920, frames 3」
[15:58] <diginetKE> it's when arguments degrade to "yes it is". "no it isn't". that they become nothing but noise.
[15:58] <diginetKE> i just want to copy the entire script without hte row numbers
[16:40] <GLaDER_vU> something just feels wrong about reconfiguring mysql to put the socket in the chroot
[16:40] <GLaDER_vU> a____ptr: But then, my Complex Analysis professor is really badass. Sometimes he will read an inelegant proof from a book, and fix it to make it elegant in real time.
[16:40] <GLaDER_vU> sdgathman, you can easily preserve history
[16:40] <GLaDER_vU> dviola, what is an URB?
[16:47] <rjujusq> no, it's total
[16:47] <rjujusq> a window is a viewport on a buffer
[16:47] <rjujusq> well `contramap = const coerce`
[16:47] <rjujusq> and I said you keep the dollar because you don’t want to give it to your dad or mom and the other one could be angry
[16:47] <rjujusq>  [0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9]
[17:19] <bruce-qs> yeah it's neat. the ability to create your own queries is nice. I have one so I can search Bulbapedia (pokemon wiki)
[17:19] <bruce-qs> [R]: guess it was just a misunderstanding on my part.  I guess you allocate size via an LV not via VG.  I was thinking you created a partion size via VG.  Just a misunderstanding I had basically
[17:19] <bruce-qs> editors can be scripted.  go buy an ai if you want automatic.
[17:56] <SyntaxTerrordN> you literally can
[17:56] <SyntaxTerrordN> widp, .. and http streaming is insufficient for some reason?
[18:43] <kInOzAwAYN> djph and that is the unfortunate bane of many honest IT workers jumping into hell because of not having known about something major "reducency" being .. well .. just that .. a major anti-reducency instead
[18:43] <kInOzAwAYN> actually upper case M
[19:15] <diamond_grrg> https://www.instructables.com/id/Desk-Clamp-Lamp/
[19:16] <diamond_grrg> ooo, i get my mistake
[19:16] <diamond_grrg> How many doges do you have?
[19:16] <diamond_grrg> dannylee: you know it uses the same software as everything else?
[19:37] <IHAVENONICK> I still have that ascii fox, don't I
[19:37] <IHAVENONICK> touchscreen interfaces for non-touchscreen workflows couldn't ever do anything BUT suck and fail
[19:37] <IHAVENONICK> ԁᥱɡreе іs nоt dоiᥒɡ Ꭺllаһ is ԁοing
[19:52] <Emanon`nL> pavlos: still get connection refused
[19:52] <Emanon`nL> the thing I'm thinking about could do a whole screen of text or typesetting
[19:52] <Emanon`nL> yes. proof. very high proof.
[19:53] <Emanon`nL> altho i think openfire is odd w/ how you an import certs, but i might be mistaken on that been awhile since i have used it
[19:53] <Emanon`nL> invalid
[19:53] <Emanon`nL> 11.8v
[20:01] <timwisqB> yeah, all that crap
[20:01] <timwisqB> I don't really get the concern about asymmetric key length. It's not like people are supposed to memorize them. Something like McEliece seems totally reasonable for most applications.
[20:01] <timwisqB> I have to install it using ssh so I can connect to it with teamviewer
[20:02] <timwisqB> later markzen
[20:59] <elfetsYR> but thing is i think the Apple Watch has to be able to show stereoscopic images to make it look more authentic
[20:59] <elfetsYR> guys guess what
[20:59] <elfetsYR> as soon as it reaches stationary distribution it shouldn't diverge
[21:02] <edwardlygy> does that sound like bunk?
[21:02] <edwardlygy> 100k suicides
[21:45] <manningxDT> didn't work?
[21:45] <manningxDT> what else would it be?
[21:46] <manningxDT> Bushmaster: ;library(devtools); install_github('cran/Rcmdr');
[21:46] <manningxDT> Every now and then, I scan through :h index to see if there's something I haven't noticed before.
[21:46] <manningxDT> no, i haven't mapped the enter key with anything yet
[22:36] <martin_wp> ThePendulum: Well... yeah, usually there's variation.
[22:37] <martin_wp> i need some place to put money
[22:37] <martin_wp> so you have a file.managed state that specifies a watch_in requisite?
[22:37] <martin_wp> if I understood correctly, I'll have to set break=init
[22:37] <martin_wp> man torsocks.conf
[22:37] <martin_wp> start by ike dynamic esp transport proto udp from egress to remote.fqdn port 1701  here


[02:21] <thafreak> Cheri703: define server...is it file server (nfs or something) or web sever?
[02:21] <Cheri703> file server
[02:21] <Cheri703> local computer
[02:21] <thafreak> if it's a webserver, there's something called ampache
[02:22] <thafreak> try mt-daap...i think thats what its called
[02:22] <thafreak> reverse engineer of the streaming protocol itunes uses
[02:22] <Cheri703> hmm...k
[02:22] <thafreak> most linux muic players support it
[02:24] <thafreak> looks like it's called forked-daapd in precise
[02:24] <thafreak> i've heard its real easy...i think you point it at a dir with songs and thats about it...
[02:24] <Cheri703> very nice
[02:25] <thafreak> i'm still working on getting all my music centralized...so i haven't used it myself
[02:25] <thafreak> yet
[02:28] <thafreak> so paultag, hows this git annex...i keep reading about it, but haven't started trying it out yet
[02:29] <thafreak> i also stumbled upon bup (mentioned on the git annex site), which seemed very interesting
[02:32] <paultag> thafreak: it's cool :)
[02:35] <thafreak> gimme a quick example of what you do with it...
[02:36] <thafreak> i use unison to keep a common dir in sync between a bunch of machines
[02:36] <thafreak> could git annex possibly do a better job?
[02:40] <paultag> it's like Dropbox
[02:40] <paultag> well
[02:40] <paultag> the project is
[02:40] <paultag> but it can do it offline
[02:40] <paultag> and ad-hoc
[02:41] <paultag> so plug a USB key in, sync to that, plug that into another computer
[02:41] <paultag> sync to that
[02:41] <paultag> which syncs to a server
[02:46] <dzho> oh, man, I'd forgotten about the par2 stuff
[02:47] <thafreak> par2 is cool
[02:58] <dzho> do people every make par2 files for their par2 files
[02:58] <dzho> ?
[03:04] <thafreak> probably someone
[03:07] <thafreak> so most of my machines idle with a load average of 0...
[03:08] <thafreak> now I'm looking at setting up salt stack again
[03:09] <thafreak> last time, I noticed when my "minions" were running, those machines never idled below 0.03
[03:09] <thafreak> or maybe it was more, I forget now
[03:09] <thafreak> so I'm trying a newer version out now hoping they made it perform a bit better
[03:09] <thafreak> but the minion is still idling at 0.01 at the best
[03:10] <thafreak> you guys think that's acceptable for the benefits of remote control and config management?
[04:12] <canthus13> .03 idle? That's not too bad IMO.
[04:12] <canthus13> I mean, 3 hundredths of a task waiting at any given point?
[04:13] <canthus13> ...and somewhat high load isn't necessarily bad.
[04:13]  * canthus13 has had his machine perform like a dog at .5 load, and seen his server at one point running smooth as silk with a constant 6.0 load.
[04:14] <canthus13> most of the time, though, it sits at 0 load.
[05:32] <thafreak> well, this latest version of salt definately seems to be an improvement over the one I tested previously...
[05:32] <thafreak> and it seems to hang more around 0.1
[05:32] <thafreak> I guess that's acceptable
[14:11] <canthus13> "This happened right around the time you made those email changes..."  I bet they just saw his new email and hated it!
[17:20] <canthus13> Unit193: heh. the only change was our hosting service.. addresses remained the same.
[21:20] <Unit193> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2012/08/10/community-site-downtime-announcement/ Sure everyone sees before I do, but...
[21:29] <dzho> pick a cross-London move date on the last weekend of the Olympics
[21:29] <dzho> wtg, Canonical.
[21:29] <dzho> I bet that's going to be *fun*


[12:55] <lamont> building #4/4 for the arch-all tst
[12:55] <lamont> test
[01:28] <zul> again?
[01:30] <lamont> doesn't seem to be there yet, or is it?
[01:31] <zul> nope
[01:32] <zul> makes me nervous :)
[01:37] <lamont> well, it's released now, at least...
[01:38] <lamont> arch-dep build done, working on arch-indep now
[01:38] <lamont> finally
[01:54] <zul> hmm?
[01:55] <zul> reiserfs4 has been released?
[01:56] <lamont> that's what the guy who asked how hard it would be to make a hoary install CD supporting it said...
[01:56] <zul> ok he might be on crack..
[01:57] <zul> oh...well according to their website.
[01:58] <zul> it has been released but still hasnt hit linus's tree and he is on vacation :)
[02:00] <dilinger> wait
[02:00] <dilinger> people *want* reiser4?
[02:00] <zul> apparently
[02:00] <dilinger> you'd think they would've learned their lesson w/ reiser3..
[02:01] <zul> *cough* https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10506
[02:02] <dilinger> heh
[02:03] <dilinger> The Great Ubuntuists respond: "you don't really want this.  you really really don't want this."
[02:03] <crimsun> "and because you really really don't want it, you won't get it" =)
[02:14] <infinity> dilinger : The only lesson users seem to learn is "a new upstream version number will surely fix everything!"
[02:14] <zul> works for me :)
[02:18] <dilinger> i like how he says it's supported by hans reiser
[02:18] <dilinger> as if that's a mark of quality one would want to strive towards
[02:18] <infinity> Sure, if we pay a support contract to him.
[02:19] <zul> dilinger: wheres this?
[02:19] <dilinger> These patches apply cleanly, they are supported by Hans Reiser & company
[02:20] <zul> meh..
[02:20] <zul> well...time to go spend time with my wife...bbl
[02:21] <crimsun> cya
[02:23] <infinity> Right from the horse's mouth:
[02:23] <infinity> "We must caution that just as Linux 2.6 is not yet as stable as Linux 2.4, it will also be some substantial time before V4 is as stable as V3."
[02:23] <infinity> If they claim reiser4 is less stable than reiser3, I'm frightened.
[02:36] <lamont> lol
[02:36] <lamont> Processing blk_stop_queue
[03:25] <lamont> arch:all adds about 2.5 hours to the build process, before it dies because brilliance here forgot to add the build-dep.
[03:26] <lamont> anybody home? (/me is looking for someone who was at the keysigning in UDU)
[04:52] <zul> fabbione: merge if you wish, new rt2500, rt2400, squashfs, and some bugfixes
[04:56] <dilinger> right
[04:56] <dilinger> keysigning
[04:56] <dilinger> i should do that now
[05:14] <zul> grr...some poeple piss me off
[05:43] <fabbione> morning
[05:43] <zul> hey fabbione
[05:44] <zul> how goes it?
[05:45] <fabbione> just woke up
[05:45] <zul> nifty
[05:45] <zul> im just about to go to bed :)
[05:45] <fabbione> why did you split the rt2x00 driver?
[05:45] <zul> because i was asked to by a user...
[05:46] <zul> against my better judgement
[05:46] <fabbione> but is there a tech reason for it?
[05:46] <zul> no
[05:46] <fabbione> lamont: are you still awake?
[05:47] <zul> night
[05:48] <zul> the heat is starting to get to me
[05:48] <fabbione> night zul
[09:10] <Drako60> anyone awake?
[09:11] <fabbione> yes
[09:11] <Drako60> i'm curious as to why initrd seems to be loading all my modules and not /etc/modules
[09:12] <fabbione> Drako60: this is not a channel where we do general support. only kernel development related topics
[09:12] <fabbione> you can ask in #ubuntu
[09:13] <Drako60> ok someone suggested i ask here a few days ago
[09:13] <fabbione> initrd loads all the modules that it believes to be required to boot the system
[09:13] <fabbione> etd/modules is parsed at a later stage
[09:14] <fabbione> (short answer)
[09:45] <jbailey> Drako60: If you need to add stuff to that list, use /etc/mkinitrd/modules
[09:45] <jbailey> Drako60: You then need to regenerate your initrd, though.
[10:26] <fabbione> this documentation build thingy is a total fuckage
[10:32] <fabbione> ahhhhh
[10:32] <fabbione> got it
[10:35] <Lathiat> heh
[10:35] <Lathiat> wheres my kernel! ;)
[10:36] <fabbione> i am waiting ppc to finish the build
[10:36] <fabbione> and i will be able to upload
[10:36] <Lathiat> what machines do you have backing the ppc builds on buildd?
[10:38] <fabbione> only one porting machine and 3 buildds
[10:39] <Lathiat> porting machine?
[10:39] <fabbione> well i need a machine where i can test build the kernel
[10:39] <fabbione> that one is called a port machine
[10:39] <Lathiat> right
[10:39] <Lathiat> and then 3 that do the actual building into the archives?
[10:39] <fabbione> right
[10:39] <Lathiat> what kinda machines?
[10:42] <fabbione> can't remember
[10:42] <fabbione> g5 i think
[10:52] <jbailey> cc: Hey!
[10:52] <jbailey> cc: You've come to visit us again, does this mean we did drag you over to the dark side? =)
[10:55] <Mithrandir> hiya jeff
[10:58] <jbailey> Heya Tollef.
[11:00] <jbailey> X2?
[11:00] <Mithrandir> dualcore AMD CPU
[11:01] <jbailey> *lol*
[11:02] <Mithrandir> I wonder when we'll see x40-style laptops with them.  mmm..
[11:02] <jbailey> Hopeflly soon.
[11:02] <jbailey> That way the old amd64 laptops will be driven down in price even further.
[11:03] <cc> jbailey: i'm usually idling here ;-)
[11:03] <Mithrandir> the current set of amd64 laptops are "media center" laptops.
[11:03] <Mithrandir> hi cc
[11:03] <cc> but no, haven't been dragged, per se
[11:03] <cc> hi Mithrandir
[11:28] <fabbione> humpf
[11:28] <fabbione> i did something half stupid
[11:30] <fabbione> jeee too many branches!
[11:54] <horms> yes
[12:15] <fabbione> yeah i got lost in branching the release and tags :)
[12:17] <thom> i may as well accept my fate...
[12:18] <fabbione> UHAAAA
[12:18] <fabbione> yay
[12:18] <fabbione> welcome dude
[12:20] <fabbione> and here is the second one
[12:20] <chmj> :P
[02:04] <zul> hey
[02:40] <lamont> fabbione: testbuild finished at 0251 my time...
[02:40] <lamont> doing the dance now
[02:46] <fabbione> hey lamont
[02:46] <fabbione> lamont: meh i already uploaded 92-1.1 with a fix
[02:47] <fabbione> i didn't find anything here in the logs...
[02:49] <lamont> fabbione: great - saves me the merge time. :0)
[02:49] <fabbione> eheh
[02:51] <lamont> committed<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:52] <lamont> A  patches/documentation_docbook-net.dpatch
[02:52] <lamont> fabbione: the penultimate test build was missing the build-depend on docbook-xml
[02:53] <fabbione> lamont: the real fix was adding xmlto as build-dep
[02:53] <fabbione> i did purge docbook-xml
[02:53] <lamont> fabbione: even better
[02:53] <fabbione> and removed the default gw
[02:53] <fabbione> it was asking for xmlto
[02:53] <fabbione> added that one
[02:54] <fabbione> btw
[02:54] <fabbione> FYI
[02:54] <lamont> kewlness
[02:54] <fabbione> thom is getting the "welcome to kernel team bug that kills my debian/ dir"
[02:54] <fabbione> ahah
[02:54] <fabbione> now.. zul took 2 days to figure it out
[02:54] <thom> heh
[02:55] <fabbione> thom: i can give you an hint
[02:55] <zul> you are all bastards
[02:55] <fabbione> grabbing the debian/ dir from baz is not enough
[02:55] <fabbione> zul: this is so true!
[02:55] <lamont> thom: zgrep ^diff linux-source_<oldversion>.diff.gz
[02:55] <zul> i know...its obvious
[02:56] <zul> and once now that you all know that you are bastards...im happier
[02:56] <fabbione> thom: who sais that debian/ is the only thing contained in the diff.gz :)
[02:57] <lamont> thom: s/^diff/^---/
[02:58] <zul> oh...so you help thom out right away :P
[02:58] <lamont> zul: I was sleeping while you were working on it.
[02:58] <zul> hehe
[02:59] <fabbione> anyway i am off
[02:59] <fabbione> i will be back tomorrow
[02:59] <fabbione> i still don't feel super 100%
[02:59] <fabbione> and i am supposed to be spending time with my wife today
[03:00] <fabbione> it's her bday
[03:00] <lamont> fabbione: you better go then.
[03:00] <fabbione> yeah
[03:00] <zul> bbl...i have to run errands today
[03:00] <fabbione> lamont: how are the buildd going on kernel?
[03:00] <fabbione> amd64 is done
[03:00] <fabbione> i am more worried about i386
[03:01] <lamont> i386 is building the last flavor
[03:01] <mvirkkil> zul: Just popped in to say thanks for the hollywood+/dxr3 support :-) Haven't tried it yet though.
[03:05] <Drako60> hmm i wish i could figure this problem out
[03:05] <fabbione> mvirkkil: difficult to try.. it's not in the archive yet :)
[03:05] <fabbione> i am off
[03:06] <fabbione> cya guys
[03:10] <mvirkkil> fabbione: I just read that zul had marked the bug as fixed in bugzilla.
[03:11] <zul> when the next upload goes through
[03:12] <mvirkkil> Not familiar with the process. Any etA?
[03:12] <zul> today i think not 100% sure
[03:13] <mvirkkil> Cool. I was thinking along the lines of weeks :-)
[03:13] <zul> nope
[03:13] <mvirkkil> Must say that that was one of the quickest fixes for an rfe I've filed.
[03:14] <zul> i was home at the time
[03:15] <Drako60> can i ask a question no one in #Ubuntu seems to be able to clarify this for me
[03:16] <thom> grah, you guys all suck :-) that's a truely silly patch
[03:17] <lamont> thom: yeah
[03:17] <lamont> Drako60: go ahead and ask another question....
[03:18] <fabbione> now.. this is scary.. my wife and i were supposed to go shopping.. she decided to go to sleep
[03:18] <chmj> hahaha
[03:19] <Drako60> ok well i get an error from Nforce3-250 durring boot saying BIOS didn't set cable bits correctly, and i can't figure out where this error is coming from other then related to DMA, which has lead me to believe its A. the motherboard. B the bios. or C. the module being loaded
[03:20] <fabbione> or simply a combination
[03:21] <fabbione> or the IDE cable is not the correct one (mostlikely)
[03:21] <thom> hrm, we should totally teach dp-e-p to build hardlinked trees, too
[03:21] <fabbione> i am not sure you can
[03:22] <fabbione> specially because you can have source in  partion A and /tmp on B
[03:22] <fabbione> that will break hardlinks
[03:22] <zul> fabbione: wll it is her bday
[03:22] <Mithrandir> cp -al should work fine.
[03:22] <fabbione> zul: ???
[03:23] <zul> gah...well it is your wife's birthday
[03:23] <fabbione> yeah but there are NO women in this world that can resist to shopping
[03:23] <thom> fabbione: i don't think that's a particular problem; you could just make dpep build the tree in the same parent dir if it turns out to be a problem
[03:24] <zul> fabbione: i think you found one
[03:24] <Drako60> ok thanks fabbione thats what i was thinking but i wasn't sure, and i wanted to know if i could check in what order initrd was loading the modules, i don't know if lsmod shows the order loaded or not
[03:24] <fabbione> zul: nah...
[03:24] <fabbione> Drako60: reverse order.. yes it does
[03:24] <fabbione> top is the most recent
[03:24] <fabbione> but it has nothing to do with the modules
[03:28] <Drako60> well i'll deal with the cables tomorrow, atleast that will narrow the issue down
[03:36] <fabbione> baz commit -s'Update amd64/ia64/sparc abi files'
[03:37] <fabbione> YAY
[03:37] <fabbione> first set of abi files...
[03:56] <fabbione> yay
[03:57] <fabbione> i386 successful
[03:57] <chmj> :-)
[03:58] <Lathiat> woo
[03:58] <zul> meh...console_macros.h changed
[03:59] <zul> or doesnt exist anymore
[03:59] <fabbione> zul: ah no i rememeber.. the rt2500 doesn't build on ppc anymore
[03:59] <fabbione> the one before the split did
[03:59] <zul> how come?
[03:59] <fabbione> the last one doesn't
[03:59] <fabbione> different code?
[03:59] <zul> probably
[04:00] <fabbione> it was ranting about some endian things
[04:00] <fabbione> + other stuff
[04:00] <zul> frig..
[04:00] <thom> bonus, skge actually compiles ;-)
[04:01] <fabbione> thom: on all 6 arches?
[04:01] <thom> just amd64-generic so far
[04:01] <fabbione> thom: there might be light at the end of the tunnel :)
[04:01] <thom> i just want to test it first :-)
[04:06] <fabbione> cya tomorrow guys
[04:07] <zul> todles
[04:44] <thom> guys, can you have a look at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>kernel-debian--pre1,2--<IP_ADDRESS>--patch-2
[04:44] <thom> and check i've not done anything *stoooopid*
[05:02] <chmj> did you just remove that patch ?
[05:08] <dilinger> thom: like, UHF stupid?
[05:29] <thom> uhf?
[05:38] <dilinger> it's a movie.  i'm guessing that's a no
[06:22] <lamont> dilinger: funny movie, too
[06:24] <dilinger> it and family guy are the only dvds i own (uhf was $5 in some bargain bin.  i couldn't pass it up)
[07:18] <zul> doh...i forgot about the cc today..
[07:25] <zul> thom: did you get somet to check your patch?
[07:25] <zul> real funny..weird al and michael richards
[10:10] <zul> ok i had enough of oprah


[07:26] <vila> xnox: :-D
[07:27] <vila> xnox: ln -s /usr/bin/bzr ~/bin/bar
[14:59] <dobey> hi all. how can i verify that a working tree in bzrlib is a lightweight checkout of a branch?
[15:05] <mgz> `bzr info`?
[15:05] <mgz> or you mean in python?
[15:13] <dobey> mgz: with bzrlib in python, yes
[15:15] <mgz> workingtree objects have a branch attribute you can inspect to see which it is
[15:18] <mgz> and the lightweight checkout chek goes something like:
[15:19] <mgz> `tree.user_url != tree.branch.user_url`
[15:19] <mgz> dobey: hope that helps
[15:20] <dobey> mgz: branch being a bzrlib.branch.Branch?
[15:20] <mgz> right, but you get one created for you whenever you construct a tree
[15:21] <mgz> you probably want to start:
[15:21] <mgz> `d = controldir.ControlDir.open(location); tree = d.open_workingtree();`
[15:22] <mgz> and catch some exceptons from open_workingtree
[15:22] <dobey> right. already have one because tarmac creates a Branch from the launchpadlib branch, without yet opening the working tree
[15:23] <mgz> then you have some fun, because you can't go from less specific to more specific in general
[15:23] <mgz> you'd want to reopen the location of the branch as a new object
[15:23] <dobey> yeah, it does.
[15:24] <dobey> i just wanted to make sure the type was what i thought it was
[15:25] <dobey> if user_url is the right thing to check for that, it should do though. thanks


[01:33] <mup> PR snapd#12601 opened: build(deps): bump golang.org/x/net from 0.0.0-20220826154423-83b083e8dc8b to 0.7.0 <dependencies> <Created by dependabot[bot]> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12601>