[12:26] <H264> Koji: what is your username?
[12:27] <H264> for the forums
[12:27] <Eagle_101> lypsis, can I make it um... resize
[12:28] <Eagle_101> I don't see an option for that....
[12:28] <Koji-Murasame> H264: same as this
[12:28] <H264> k
[12:28] <lypsis> Eagle_101: you can cut it to a ... symbols (i have 20)
[12:29] <Eagle_101> mmm would be interesting ;)
[12:29] <Eagle_101> I'f I can find that ;)
[12:29] <lypsis> Eagle_101: options, and then the fifth from above (sorry my xchat isnt english so I cant give u an exact definition)
[12:30] <Eagle_101> ok I have a settings, not an options
[12:31] <lypsis> yeah settings
[12:31] <lypsis> i think this is it
[12:32] <Eagle_101> lypsis,  then what?
[12:33] <Eagle_101> the first or the second option?
[12:33] <lypsis> its something like the "tabs" thing in firefox
[12:33] <Eagle_101> "preferences" or "advanced"
[12:33] <Eagle_101> ah
[12:33] <H264> that is a nice picture
[12:33] <lypsis> there you can set the max. symbols for a "tab"
[12:33] <Eagle_101> ah makes sense, let me try that...
[12:34] <Eagle_101> it wants me to re-start
[12:34] <Eagle_101> bye
[12:35] <Eagle_101> mmm thats a bit better
[12:35] <lypsis> good to hear
[12:35] <lypsis> :)
[12:35] <Eagle_101> but its just a minor gripe :D
[12:38] <H264> one last question...
[12:38] <H264> nm
[12:42] <atarinox> can somebody quick help me change permissions on a directory
[12:42] <atarinox> i just need the command to set it up as read/write
[12:48] <BFTD> !iptables
[12:48] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[12:55] <Eagle_101> !vnc
[12:55] <ubotu> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[01:22] <Eagle_101> ok, how do I get a decent C++ compiler onto ubuntu
[01:23] <Eagle_101> *xubuntu
[01:24] <cellofellow> !build-essential
[01:24] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[01:24] <cellofellow> will get you GCC and more.
[01:24] <Eagle_101> thanks
[01:24] <Eagle_101> I was looking for something like that ;) I was trying apt-get install built-utils
[01:25] <cellofellow> cool then
[01:26] <cellofellow> !info build-essential
[01:26] <ubotu> build-essential: informational list of build-essential packages. In component main, is optional. Version 11.3 (edgy), package size 6 kB, installed size 48 kB
[01:26] <cellofellow> is what I meant
[01:28] <Eagle_101> nice :D
[01:28] <Eagle_101> I'm getting it :D
[01:36] <Eagle_101> !gcc
[01:36] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[01:44] <Eagle_101> R[studying] ndom, If I may how do I access the /home/ partition?
[01:46] <Eagle_101> oh I see, I can't seem to view my root :S
[01:52] <Eagle_101> oh GM can I have a copy of that bot code?
[01:52] <Eagle_101> oops
[01:53] <Eagle_101> !php5
[01:53] <ubotu> php5: server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (meta-package). In component main, is optional. Version 5.1.6-1ubuntu2.2 (edgy), package size 1 kB, installed size 20 kB
[01:53] <Eagle_101> I need that >.>
[02:19] <vrkhans> hi can any one tell me how i can increase my volume in xubuntu
[02:20] <vrkhans> and i also want to place the volume control panal on the desktop
[02:20] <vrkhans> or toolbar
[02:20] <PuMpErNiCkLe> There's a panel plugin for that - right click on the panel, and add an item.
[02:21] <soweto76> vrkhans, you can add a toolbar that is moveable and place wherever you like
[02:21] <Koji-Murasame> You can add a Volume control Panel applet or installing a mixer like Gnome Alsa mixer to have more control over the different objects
[02:22] <vrkhans> Koji-Murasame: how i can install it
[02:22] <vrkhans> and can it create an icon on next to the shutdown button
[02:22] <soweto76> Does't xbuntu have a default volume control on the top panel?  I forget since I change mine around so much.
[02:23] <vrkhans> soweto76: i dont see any
[02:23] <vrkhans> soweto76: i just install xubuntu
[02:23] <vrkhans> that is why i am asking different people what to do to increase my volume,
[02:24] <vrkhans> because i dont find any utility in the application
[02:24] <Koji-Murasame> vrkhans: use synaptic and search for gnome-alsamixer. That does not have a panel plugin though it is a menu item.
[02:24] <soweto76> vrkhans, maybe the icon is difficult to see on your monitor.  I can't figure out how it was left out.
[02:24] <vrkhans> soweto76: there is no volume icon on my desktop or toolbar
[02:25] <Mobadass> yo
[02:25] <vrkhans> does there any want to make it appear
[02:25] <vrkhans> !
[02:25] <soweto76> vrkhans, OK -- add it with a right click and select what you want on the panel of your choice.
[02:26] <Koji-Murasame> vrkhans: if you right click the panel-> add new item -> volume control should be near the bottom of the list
[02:26] <Mobadass> im having some problems changing the resolution in xubuntu i get this when trying to run display settings "Xfce Settings Manager error:
[02:26] <Mobadass> No such plugin "display""
[02:27] <vrkhans> Koji-Murasame: i got it
[02:27] <vrkhans> thanks
[02:28] <Mobadass> accually im having that problem with all the options in settings no plugin found
[02:31] <vrkhans> I have another issue, How i can change the permission for a drive, actually root own that drive I want as a default user i can have all permission,
[02:31] <vrkhans> like read , write and execute
[02:32] <Mobadass> chmod
[02:33] <Mobadass> do like "sudo chmod -R 777(or whatever) /"
[02:34] <soweto76> I don't think that is advisable.
[02:35] <Mobadass> heh anyone have a solution to my problem?
[02:36] <soweto76> Mobadass, I missed your item, sorry.  What is your question?
[02:36] <Mobadass> im having some problems changing the resolution in xubuntu i get this when trying to run display settings "Xfce Settings Manager error:
[02:36] <Mobadass> No such plugin "display""
[02:36] <Mobadass>  im having that problem with all the options in settings no plugin found
[02:37] <soweto76> Mobadass, perhaps some components of xfce4 have not been installed or not yet configured by apt.
[02:38] <Mobadass> thats what i think but i dont know what to install to install i just did "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop"
[02:39] <soweto76> Mobadass, did you install that on top of ubuntu or did you install xubuntu itself?
[02:39] <Mobadass> on top
[02:46] <soweto76> atarinox, nautilus seems to handle windows shares quite well in my very limited experience.
[02:48] <Eagle_PC> !sh
[02:48] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[02:48] <Eagle_PC> wondered what that was
[02:48] <Eagle_PC> !bash
[02:49] <Eagle_PC> :S
[02:49] <soweto76> bot for bunt eh
[02:49] <Eagle_PC> I'm confused now :P
[02:50] <soweto76> really? what about?
[02:50] <Mobadass> ok is there any way i can change the resolution and refresh rate without the display plugin because the low refresh rate
[02:52] <soweto76> Mobadass, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xorg (something) like that) will give you a chance to configure X and specify things which were not automatically detected.
[02:53] <soweto76> Mobadass, the xfce4 configuration tools only select from the xorg configurations available in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
[02:53] <Mobadass>  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xorg doesn't work?
[02:54] <soweto76> dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[02:54] <soweto76> Mobadass, that should be better.  Sorry!
[02:55] <Mobadass> well it says my max res is 1024x768 but now its way higher
[02:55] <Mobadass> and the low refresh rate is giving me a headache
[02:56] <soweto76> Mobadass, you are starting over with the configuration -- not reading some output about your system.
[02:56] <Mobadass> ok ill reset the x server 1 min
[03:06] <Mobadass> well that messed up my xorg.conf file
[03:07] <Mobadass> i had to sue a backup because the new one crashed X
[03:07] <soweto76> Mobadass, do you know the specs of your monitor and vga card?
[03:07] <Mobadass> yes and i use fglrx
[03:07] <soweto76> Mobadass, is it a CRT monitor?  How old?
[03:08] <Mobadass> crt maybe...8 years
[03:09] <soweto76> that probably means that the autoconfiguration will not be able to read the monitors capabilities and has chosen a safe (but inadequate) configuration which gives you a headache.
[03:09] <Mobadass> yah probably
[03:10] <Mobadass> i wonder if fglrx causes the plugin problem?
[03:10] <soweto76> Mobadass, see if you can google the monitor model and find the horizontal and vertical refresh rates and maximum resolution.
[03:10] <Mobadass> i can
[03:12] <Mobadass> ah ive got an idea
[03:12] <soweto76> If you supply accurate information, then xorg will be able to use all  its capabilities.  Now, if your vga card is capable of a high resolution but only at the expense of a low refresh rate, then you might get the flicker pain.
[03:12] <Mobadass> ive got a ati x700 which is pretty good
[03:13] <soweto76> Mobadass, less /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[03:13] <soweto76> Mobadass, see if the ati is detected and what it is telling xorg.
[03:14] <Mobadass> it is because i have fglrx installed
[03:15] <soweto76> Mobadass, I don't know about fglrx.  I suspect that your monitor specs are the problem with that old CRT.  You will have to supply them manually most likely. The monitor is doing the refresh eh.
[03:15] <Mobadass> yah im gunna do that ill report the results
[03:15] <soweto76> good luck
[03:24] <jlamr> can anyone recommend a winscp like client?
[03:25] <soweto76> jlamr, apt-cache search winscp  ( whatever that it is eh ? )
[03:25] <jlamr> secure ftp client w/gui
[03:26] <jlamr> for windows
[03:26] <soweto76> better check up with that on a windows channel, I reckon. ;)
[03:27] <jlamr> i want something comparable to it for linux
[03:28] <PuMpErNiCkLe> !info putty-tools
[03:28] <ubotu> putty-tools: command-line tools for SSH, SCP, and SFTP. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.58-4 (edgy), package size 664 kB, installed size 1696 kB
[03:28] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Similar features, perhaps not the same interface.
[03:29] <soweto76> jlamr, please clarify! Do you want a Linux client or a Windows client?
[03:30] <Eagle_101> how do you get rid of something that you apt-get'd (I did php5, and its not working correctly)
[03:30] <jlamr> ive used putty but only from the terminal -- sorry soweto76  a linux app for sftp preferably w a gui
[03:30] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Eagle_101: apt-get remove [package name]
[03:31] <Eagle_101> gracias
[03:31] <soweto76> jlamr,  apt-cache search sftp
[03:31] <Eagle_101> PuMpErNiCkLe:  thanks very much :D
[03:33] <jlamr> soweto76, right there are quite a few. Im new to linux so i was hoping for a recommdation , sorry for the confusion
[03:33] <PuMpErNiCkLe> jlamr: gftp has scp support.
[03:33] <Eagle_101> !php5
[03:33] <ubotu> php5: server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (meta-package). In component main, is optional. Version 5.1.6-1ubuntu2.2 (edgy), package size 1 kB, installed size 20 kB
[03:33] <Eagle_101> :S
[03:33] <localghost> Hi. I have a problem with getting Apache 2.0 and libapache2-modxslt working.
[03:33] <Eagle_101> lol, same here heh
[03:33] <localghost> Anyone could give me a hint?
[03:34] <Eagle_101> localghost: I wish
[03:34] <Eagle_101> ;)
[03:34] <localghost> hehe
[03:35] <localghost> Eagle_101: things is, that XML file, I have, seems to be parsed and XSLT'd by the browser... :/
[03:36] <Eagle_101> mmm I'm having problems just installing it
[03:36] <jlamr> thx PuMpErNiCkLe
[03:36] <localghost> and all directives such as AddOutputFilterByType, etc. seem to be just ignored.
[03:37] <localghost> but phpinfo() or apache_get_modules() show that modxslt has been loaded.
[03:39] <localghost> "Page Source" in a browser return the original XML.
[03:41] <localghost> Eagle_101: What's your problem?
[03:43] <Eagle_101> localghost: I can't even get php to install, it is telling me I need apache2 (I should not need it)
[03:44] <Eagle_101> php6
[03:44] <Eagle_101> php5
[03:45] <krash123> hi all
[03:45] <Eagle_101> hi
[03:45] <localghost> Eagle_101: Are you installing it from official packages?
[03:45] <krash123> do you have a mirror to download samba's binaries ?
[03:45] <Mobadass> how do i check my refresh rate through command line?
[03:46] <Eagle_101> localghost: I've tried an apt-get install php5
[03:46] <Eagle_101> tried that several times
[03:47] <localghost> Eagle_101: so you'd like to have php5 and the older Apache?
[03:47] <Eagle_101> I just want php5 :P
[03:47] <krash123> samba's binaries for debian should work in xubutu?
[03:47] <Eagle_101> its whining about needing Apache2
[03:47] <Eagle_101> and won't run :P (I'm positive it should *not* need php)
[03:47] <Eagle_101> *appache
[03:48] <localghost> Eagle_101: yeah, it seems to bea dependencies issue.
[03:48] <Eagle_101> :S
[03:49] <localghost> s/bea/be a
[03:49] <Eagle_101> yeah I get that ;)
[03:49] <Eagle_101> I'm now checking on the internet
[03:49] <localghost> Well, I feel like I have read the whole Internet :)
[03:50] <Eagle_101> localghost:  heh :P
[03:50] <Eagle_101> I know that feeling
[03:50] <localghost> and the xslt thing is still ignoring my prayers :)
[03:51] <localghost> I don't even know where am I doing wrong. I know that the issue is in what I am doing. Not a bug or something.
[03:51] <Eagle_101> heh
[03:51] <Eagle_101> :D
[03:52] <BFTD> where is the java plugins located?
[03:53] <soweto76> BFTD,  apt-cache search jre
[03:53] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Eagle_101: The 'PHP5' package is a metapackage whose purpose is to install an apache php5 module and, therefore, apache.
[03:53] <localghost> Eagle_101: Just an example would do the trick.
[03:53] <BFTD> no
[03:53] <BFTD> I need to know where the java plugings are so I can link it to the firefox plugin directory
[03:53] <localghost> Eagle_101: You know, it's like I know that it is a matter of just one line added or removed here and there :)
[03:55] <Eagle_101> localghost:  heh
[03:55] <Eagle_101> well there is nothing on google >.>
[03:55] <soweto76> BFTD, maybe ls /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/
[03:55] <BFTD> soweto76 this is 6.06
[03:55] <Eagle_101> well there is... but its about .zips and windows >.<
[03:56] <soweto76> BFTD,  locate libjavaplugin_oji.so
[03:56] <Eagle_101> PuMpErNiCkLe: right
[03:56] <Eagle_101> so what do I need to do so I can run a PHP script
[03:57] <PuMpErNiCkLe> php5-cli, probably.
[03:57] <Eagle_101> !php5-cli
[03:57] <ubotu> php5-cli: command-line interpreter for the php5 scripting language. In component main, is optional. Version 5.1.6-1ubuntu2.2 (edgy), package size 2250 kB, installed size 5016 kB
[03:57] <Eagle_101> aha!
[03:57] <Eagle_101> how did you figure that out?
[03:58] <PuMpErNiCkLe> I read the package description. ^^
[03:59] <Eagle_101> PuMpErNiCkLe: yeah thats after I typed that in... how did you think of php5-cli
[04:01] <soweto76> Eagle_101, apt-cache search php ; apt-cache show php5-cli
[04:02] <chillinhh> hello?
[04:02] <Eagle_101> hi
[04:02] <chillinhh> does GRUB require a seperate partition
[04:02] <Eagle_101> soweto76: ah thanks :D
[04:02] <chillinhh> than "/"
[04:03] <Eagle_101> you doing a dual boot?
[04:03] <chillinhh> yes, want to know my partition setups?
[04:03] <chillinhh> Two Hard Drives
[04:03] <Eagle_101> ah well "/" means root
[04:03] <chillinhh> i know
[04:03] <Eagle_101> its probably a good idea to have a swap file
[04:03] <Eagle_101> but other then that no biggie
[04:04] <chillinhh> i have two partitions setup for linux now, one for swap "300MB" and one for linux root / "8 GB"
[04:04] <Eagle_101> you can make some of the linux directories have a partition of their own
[04:04] <Eagle_101> like you can make one for '/home/'
[04:04] <Eagle_101> ect
[04:04] <Eagle_101> but what you got should work
[04:04] <chillinhh> well for GRUB it says Hd0 by default i dont know if thats correct
[04:05] <Eagle_101> ah, I partitioned one hard-drive
[04:05] <Eagle_101> heh, I'm not sure in your case
[04:06] <chillinhh> well the drive i have the partition on is the master drive
[04:06] <chillinhh> Disk 0
[04:06] <chillinhh> i'm guessing that would be hd0 in linux
[04:06] <krash123> hey, what's the most common music player  ?
[04:07] <kalikiana> krash123, xmms perhaps?
[04:07] <kalikiana> krash123, i'd recommend audacious, though ;)
[04:08] <chillinhh> does grub require a seperate partition though?
[04:09] <Eagle_101> chillinhh: grub itself?
[04:09] <Eagle_101> not for me
[04:10] <PuMpErNiCkLe> chillinhh: Nope.
[04:10] <chillinhh> ok so it can install on the same partition as root ?
[04:10] <Eagle_101> yeah
[04:10] <Eagle_101> I think...
[04:11] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Yeah.
[04:11] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It only occupies the MBR.
[04:13] <chillinhh> is it possible to encode to wmv on linux
[04:15] <krash123> kalikiana, why you recommend that one ? what's the diff ?
[04:18] <kalikiana> krash123, xmms is *old*, audacious is the modernized successor with some of what made xmms nice to me
[04:18] <krash123> oh
[04:20] <krash123> is there another  way to take a screenshot, instead of the "print screen" button ?
[04:21] <kalikiana> krash123, the screenshot panel plugin
[04:26] <krash123> but i want to take a screenshot while im rotating the cube :P
[04:26] <krash123> (in beryl, obvious..)
[04:27] <Eagle_101> "the cube
[04:27] <Eagle_101> "
[04:27] <Eagle_101> mmm
[04:31] <krash123> ?
[04:34] <Eagle_101> what is the cube?
[04:35] <krash123> beryl, have you ever used it ?
[04:35] <rimmington> there is an effect in beryl where you can switch workspaces using a cube (each side of the cube represents a different workspace)
[04:35] <Eagle_101> ah
[04:35] <Eagle_101> I bet thats a memory hog
[04:36] <kalikiana> krash123, look into beryl settings, there ought to be a screenshot function/ hotkey
[04:36] <krash123> yeah there is but
[04:36] <krash123> the hotkey is like <Ctrl><Power>button1 (mouse button i think)
[04:37] <krash123> but it doesnt work S
[04:37] <krash123> :S
[04:39] <kalikiana> krash123, <Power> might be the big fat one on your tower, try to press it ;)
[04:39] <cycro> hello
[04:39] <kalikiana> hi cycro
[04:39] <cycro> i need some major help
[04:39] <cycro> can anyone answer some questions?
[04:40] <kalikiana> !ask
[04:40] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[04:40] <cycro> alright
[04:40] <cycro> well
[04:40] <cycro> to make a long story short
[04:41] <cycro> i accidently deleted 180gb of data
[04:41] <cycro> by installing xubuntu
[04:41] <cycro> :)
[04:41] <cycro> any way I can recover anything?
[04:42] <Eagle_101> um, I don't think so...
[04:42] <cycro> oh bother.
[04:42] <krash123> kalikiana, my tower ? other function has that button too, <Power> seems to be the "win" button, the one between alt and ctrl..
[04:42] <cycro> wat if i install windows xp and run a data recovery program?
[04:43] <Eagle_101> cycro: I hope you backed it up ;)
[04:43] <kalikiana> krash123, that was supposed to be a joke :P
[04:43] <cycro> no, i didnt back anything up
[04:43] <Eagle_101> ow, just ow
[04:43] <cycro> how do u backup 180gb ?
[04:43] <Eagle_101> you do partitions?
[04:43] <krash123> kalikiana, :P i dont get that  :P my english is a little bit limited lol
[04:43] <cycro> i was trying to partition
[04:43] <cycro> but it wasnt working
[04:43] <kalikiana> cycro, I imagine you could try to recover 180gb - install size, but from my experience results vary extremely
[04:44] <cycro> oh
[04:44] <cycro> are there any good data recovery programs for linux?
[04:44] <Eagle_101> !KDevelop
[04:44] <ubotu> kdevelop: An IDE for Unix/X11. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.3.4-1ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 7894 kB, installed size 24892 kB
[04:44] <krash123> kalikiana, do know where i can get the key for the audacious autentification ?
[04:45] <Eagle_101> ok, whats a decent development enviroment for xubuntu?
[04:45] <kalikiana> krash123, Look at the website, it should be somewhere there.
[04:45] <kalikiana> Eagle_101, What would you need/ how would you work?
[04:46] <cycro> another question...
[04:46] <kalikiana> Eagle_101, I like Scite as an extremely light editor for coding.
[04:46] <Eagle_101> kalikiana: I'm fine with a simple IDE, one that does the compile instructions ect
[04:46] <cycro> is there any way I can install ubuntu over xubuntu?
[04:46] <Eagle_101> !Scite
[04:46] <ubotu> scite: Lightweight GTK-based Programming Editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.69-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 778 kB, installed size 1956 kB
[04:46] <kalikiana> cycro, Why would you want that?
[04:47] <cycro> well
[04:47] <cycro> im not quite sure
[04:47] <Eagle_101> kalikiana: ok thanks :D I will try it out and see if it is what I want ;)
[04:47] <kalikiana> cycro, You can install ubuntu-desktop parellely
[04:47] <cycro> how?
[04:47] <kalikiana> Eagle_101, ok :)
[04:48] <kalikiana> cycro, fire up a terminal and type 'sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop'
[04:48] <cycro> what will this do?
[04:48] <kalikiana> cycro, this will fetch you a whole gnome desktop
[04:48] <cycro> oh
[04:49] <kalikiana> cycro, You will then see a new 'session' in gdm (the login screen)
[04:49] <cycro> ohh
[04:49] <cycro> wow
[04:49] <cycro> talk about convenience
[04:50] <cycro> its installing now
[04:50] <dotsony> my gcc seems to be broken
[04:50] <dotsony> as: unrecognized option `-Qy'
[04:50] <dotsony> wtf?
[04:51] <cycro> so whats the difference between xubuntu and ubuntu desktop?
[04:51] <dotsony> xubuntu uses xfce by default
[04:51] <krash123> xD
[04:51] <dotsony> i think the xubuntu project has more to do with integrating xfce into ubuntu
[04:52] <cycro> i read that its for lower end computers
[04:52] <krash123> has any of you counter-strike running under wine ?
[04:52] <dotsony> that's because xfce doesn't use as much ram/cpu
[04:52] <krash123> or people who wants xtreme results xD
[04:52] <dotsony> or rather, because GNOME and KDE use up too much ram and CPU
[04:52] <cycro> so other than the less ram/cpu useage, its no different?
[04:53] <dotsony> it's quite a bit different
[04:53] <dotsony> well
[04:53] <dotsony> okay
[04:53] <dotsony> as far as the distribution is concerened, it's all one big ubuntu universe
[04:53] <cycro> lol
[04:53] <cycro> yeah
[04:53] <dotsony> you can mix-n-match with apt or synaptic all you want
[04:54] <kalikiana> cycro, xfce is a very different usability experience
[04:54] <dotsony> but i guess the installations are slightly different...like i get xfce logos during the boot screen
[04:54] <cycro> mm
[04:54] <dotsony> kalikiana: yeah exactly
[04:54] <cycro> i see
[04:54] <kalikiana> cycro, and i don't use it because of a low system (3ghz cpu,1gb ram :P)
[04:54] <cycro> why do u use it?
[04:55] <cycro> thats my specs too
[04:55] <dotsony> pry because he doesn't care for all the flashy features in gnome
[04:55] <kalikiana> I like how XFCE is simplistic and light, nothing unneeded or bloated
[04:55] <cycro> ooh
[04:56] <dotsony> now that they've gotten thunar straightened out, i can't imagine going back to gnome
[04:57] <krash123> i still cant find audacious autentication key -.-
[04:57] <cycro> how big is the ubuntu desktop?
[04:58] <dotsony> ohhh sonofabeeetch
[04:58] <dotsony> it's using mips-gcc and mips-as for some reason
[04:58] <dotsony> =P
[04:59] <krash123> that was for me ? :|
[04:59] <dotsony> i was bout to say the same thing
[04:59] <krash123> lol
[05:00] <Jos1> Hi room. I just installed Xubuntu and its not letting me use my usename or pasword
[05:00] <krash123> !audacious
[05:00] <ubotu> A !repository for the Audacious audio player now exists: see http://audacious-media-player.org/Downloads
[05:01] <cycro> thanks for all the help guys
[05:01] <krash123> welcome (?)
[05:01] <krash123> i didnt help much
[05:01] <krash123> lol
[05:02] <Jos1> whts the username and pass?
[05:02] <krash123> you setted it up before the install -.-
[05:02] <Jos1> yeh i kow but that one isnt working
[05:02] <krash123> m
[05:02] <krash123> i dont believe that :P
[05:02] <krash123> sure you're typing right ?
[05:03] <krash123> capslock off ?
[05:03] <Jos1> after it was done installing it gave me a screen and i pressed ok before i can read it
[05:03] <Jos1> i kno in ubuntu it gives u a admin user and pass at that screen
[05:03] <Jos1> but i didnt read it
[05:04] <cycro> one more quick question
[05:04] <cycro> how big is the ubuntu desktop?
[05:04] <Jos1> ?
[05:04] <cycro> im downloading it
[05:04] <dotsony> ...
[05:04] <Jos1> i ordered a cd
[05:04] <dotsony> how big did it say it was?
[05:04] <cycro> i dont knwo
[05:04] <Eagle_101> 500Mb or so
[05:04] <cycro> oh dam
[05:05] <Eagle_101> should be the size of it
[05:05] <Eagle_101> 500-700 approx
[05:05] <cycro> if i close it now
[05:05] <cycro> will it remove the stuff it downloaded?
[05:05] <dotsony> no
[05:05] <cycro> where is it stored?
[05:05] <dotsony> bt use ctrl-c
[05:05] <dotsony> somewhere in /var i think
[05:05] <cycro> oo
[05:05] <dotsony> but not sure (apt handles it)
[05:06] <kalikiana> cycro, it will not be 500mb, wait....
[05:06] <cycro> i see
[05:06] <cycro> oh
[05:06] <cycro> is there a minimize all short cut
[05:06] <cycro> like windows + d in xp
[05:06] <dotsony> i have a little button in the corner of my task bar
[05:06] <dotsony> it says "hide windows and show desktop"
[05:06] <dotsony> when i mouseover
[05:07] <dotsony> but i never use it
[05:07] <dotsony> i just switch to an empty workspace
[05:07] <dotsony> i use 6
[05:08] <kalikiana> cycro, oh wow, it's really 800 mb if synaptic is right
[05:08] <dotsony> goood gad
[05:08] <dotsony> er
[05:08] <dotsony> good god
[05:08] <krash123> what happens if i install unautentificated things ?
[05:09] <kalikiana> krash123, you get mad by the one warning message ;)
[05:09] <krash123> shit
[05:09] <krash123>  i cant find audacious key :S
[05:09] <kalikiana> krash123, Seriously, nothing bad happens. Just that message once.
[05:09] <cycro> wow
[05:09] <cycro> its ok, i have space
[05:09] <cycro> now that my 180gb drive is empty
[05:10] <cycro> :(
[05:10] <krash123> did you put the key for audacious ?
[05:10] <kalikiana> cycro, You should try to some sort of undelete tool
[05:10] <cycro> i will
[05:10] <cycro> after i reinstall xp
[05:10] <cycro> is there a reason gaim spontaneously closes on me?
[05:11] <kalikiana> cycro, don't reinstall anything unless you want to ruin your chances to undelete anything
[05:11] <cycro> oh
[05:11] <kalikiana> krash123, Tell me a name, I have six keys in my cache
[05:12] <cycro> but my hdd is partioned
[05:12] <krash123> a name ?
[05:12] <cycro> and this partition, that runs linux, is only 10gb
[05:12] <krash123> kalikiana, name of what ?
[05:12] <kalikiana> krash123, There are only names, no repos in the keys list :P
[05:12] <krash123> kalikiana, the first :P
[05:13] <kalikiana> krash123, "Quinn Storm", "Thomas Petazzoni", "Dennis Kaarsemaker" and "Nicholas Thomas"
[05:13] <kalikiana> the other two are ubuntu anything
[05:13] <krash123> but, how do i put em on ?
[05:14] <kalikiana> cycro, find a tool for linux OR better yet get a livecd
[05:14] <cycro> i have 2 live cds
[05:14] <cycro> one for ubuntu, one for xubuntu
[05:15] <kalikiana> krash123, usually it's a line in the terminal, but since you don't find it i'm not sure how i could help you - and i don't know where it is either
[05:15] <krash123> kalikiana, so what were the names for ? lol
[05:15] <kalikiana> cycro, i mean 'live cd with backup/ restoration tools' :)
[05:15] <cycro> ohh
[05:15] <cycro> lol
[05:15] <kalikiana> cycro, google is youre friend
[05:15] <cycro> i know
[05:15] <cycro> best friend
[05:16] <cycro> google can have my babies
[05:16] <kalikiana> krash123, no idea who these guys are, probably the owners of some repositories
[05:16] <kalikiana> cycro, so you are  not worried about kids seeing too much online? :P
[05:17] <cycro> never :P
[05:17] <cycro> wow ive never felt so good after accidently deleting all my files :)
[05:19] <krash123> well
[05:19] <krash123> ill install unautenticated pckgs :P
[05:20] <cycro> i saw that ubuntu compared gimp to photoshop
[05:20] <cycro> is this true?
[05:20] <cycro> as in can you do the same things in gimp as u can in ps?
[05:21] <krash123> nah, i wont install shit :P
[05:21] <krash123> until i get back my archives ..
[05:23] <cycro> im lookin at the tuts for gimp
[05:23] <cycro> seems similar to ps
[05:23] <cycro> also wats the shortcut to show desktop?
[05:26] <krash123> with beryL?
[05:27] <krash123> how do i open .rar ?
[05:28] <kalikiana> cycro, you can't compare gimp exactly, it's rather unique - but you may use it for most tasks instead of psp
[05:28] <kalikiana> krash123, double-click a rar file and open it in xarchiver
[05:28] <krash123> it says
[05:28] <krash123> i cant
[05:28] <krash123> i dont remember the exact message
[05:29] <krash123> like i need a plugin..
[05:29] <cycro> ooh
[05:29] <cycro> alright
[05:29] <cycro> can i install beryl on xubuntu?
[05:29] <krash123> hell yeah!
[05:29] <krash123> if i did..
[05:29] <cycro> lol
[05:29] <cycro> gg
[05:29] <kalikiana> There are tutorials online for that ;)
[05:30] <krash123> i can help you tough lol
[05:30] <cycro> plz do
[05:30] <cycro> it looks sexy
[05:30] <krash123> i know,
[05:30] <cycro> rarw
[05:30] <cycro> rawr*
[05:30] <cycro> will it run on lower end machines as well?
[05:30] <krash123> hehe i were in your position before :P
[05:30] <krash123> mmm
[05:31] <krash123> i dont think so.. it depends most in your video card..
[05:31] <krash123> about that ask in #beryl ..
[05:31] <cycro> alright
[05:31] <cycro> but u can turn some of the fancier features off, right?
[05:31] <krash123> i can help you with the install process
[05:31] <cycro> alright
[05:31] <krash123> yes,
[05:31] <cycro> i just got my gf to migrate to linux
[05:31] <cycro> :D
[05:32] <krash123> :O
[05:32] <cycro> wow.
[05:33] <cycro> k so about the instalation process..
[05:34] <krash123> kalikiana,
[05:34] <krash123> Sorry, this archive format is not supported:
[05:34] <krash123> the proper archiver is not installed!
[05:34] <krash123> that's the message i get..
[05:35] <krash123> cycro, first you need the acceleration
[05:35] <cycro> u wana extract from rar?
[05:35] <cycro> oh
[05:35] <cycro> wats acceleration?
[05:35] <krash123> yea i do :P
[05:35] <krash123> 3d acceleration
[05:35] <cycro> oo
[05:35] <krash123> you have ati or nvidia?
[05:35] <cycro> did u download that easy ubuntu script?
[05:35] <cycro> it downloads rar archiver and 7 zip
[05:35] <cycro> and i have an integrated
[05:35] <cycro> crappy gfx car
[05:35] <cycro> d
[05:36] <krash123> integrated ?
[05:36] <cycro> yes
[05:36] <cycro> some ati bull
[05:36] <krash123> did you ask in #beryl ?
[05:36] <cycro> no
[05:36] <cycro> ask wat?
[05:36] <krash123> i dont know if it will work properly..
[05:36] <cycro> dam
[05:36] <cycro> leme join
[05:36] <krash123> ok
[05:45] <kalikiana_> Any way to make an invisible window visible? Somehow my previous instance of XChat has disappeared but is still running. :/
[05:45] <krash123> lol
[05:46] <krash123> you use beryl ?
[05:47] <cycro> where are the screensaver settings?
[05:47] <krash123> menu > configuracion > adm d configuracion
[05:48] <krash123> sorry, in english would be like Xface menu > configuration > configuration administrator , then select screensaver
[05:48] <kalikiana_> krash123, I did run my occasional Beryl test and when I wanted to quit XChat was gone.
[05:49] <cycro> thx
[05:49] <cycro> eh
[05:50] <krash123> beryl has an option to fade out windows, the shortcut is <Power>F6
[05:51] <spasticteapot> Does anyone know if there's a way to turn a folder into a .bz2 or other zipped file ?
[05:51] <kalikiana_> spasticteapot, sure, use xarchiver
[05:52] <Koji-Murasame> xarchiver can save as a .tar.bz2
[05:52] <krash123> i think so..
[05:52] <spasticteapot> How do I run it?
[05:52] <kalikiana_> You can also create a user action like 'tar -z -cf %n.tar.gz %N', which would create a tarball
[05:53] <spasticteapot> Nevermind.
[05:53] <krash123> lol
[05:58] <cycro> whenever i want to dl sometin in firefox
[05:59] <cycro> it says firefox prevented me from dling the file
[05:59] <cycro> can i get by w/o adding the site in the allow list?
[06:02] <Koji-Murasame> Probably some hack to get around it, but as far as I know allowing it is the only typical way.
[06:08] <Eagle_101> ok somewho I've managed to add a new workspace, now I can't figure out what I just did >.>
[06:09] <krash123> :
[06:09] <Koji-Murasame> eagle_101: you probably middle clicked the desktop
[06:09] <krash123> :O
[06:09] <krash123> i think its not that hard lol
[06:15] <cycro> when i install a .deb program
[06:15] <cycro> where does it go?
[06:16] <krash123> depends
[06:16] <krash123> why do you want to know ?
[06:36] <BartSimpson> I was wondering where the MD5 for xubuntu is, if there is one. I have looked around the site and could not find one.
[06:42] <kalikiana_> !md5
[06:42] <ubotu> To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows
[06:42] <Eagle_101> BartSimpson: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes
[06:43] <Eagle_101> I assume you have 6.10
[06:43] <BartSimpson> i see
[06:43] <BartSimpson> thank you
[06:43] <Eagle_101> welcome
[07:52] <Eagle_101> !unformat
[07:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about unformat - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:52] <Eagle_101> !vim
[07:52] <ubotu> Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), mousepad (Xfce4) | Terminal-based editors: vi/vim, emacs, and nano (user-friendly). | HTML/CSS editors: !html | Programming: !code
[07:52] <Eagle_101> !code
[07:52] <ubotu> Programming editors/suites: Terminal-based: vi/vim, emacs - KDE: Kate, KDevelop, Quanta+, Umbrello - GNOME: gvim, gedit, anjuta, eclipse, pida
[08:14] <Eagle_101> !gvim
[08:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gvim - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:14] <Eagle_101> !gedit
[08:14] <ubotu> Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), mousepad (Xfce4) | Terminal-based editors: vi/vim, emacs, and nano (user-friendly). | HTML/CSS editors: !html | Programming: !code
[08:25] <grazie> Eagle_101: A good programming editor is SciTE. A light weight IDE is geany (not tried it though). Also, you can send messages to the bot directly using '/msg ubotu ...'
[08:26] <Eagle_101> grazie: ok, cool I did not know if it would allow that :P
[08:26] <Eagle_101> and grazie thanks for the info :D
[08:26] <grazie> np
[08:26] <Eagle_101> I've just now installed all of 76 updates to linux :D
[08:26] <Eagle_101> (XP)
[08:29] <Eagle_101> grazie: nor am I :P /me is not sure if I will ever re-boot it...
[08:29] <Eagle_101> I just like how I can apt-get and everything is done for you :P in windows thats a multi-click process
[08:32] <grazie> Yeah atp-get is a great tool (although the clii isn't great imho) and the repos contain more than most will have time to try
[08:33] <Eagle_101> heh
[08:33] <Eagle_101> :)
[08:37] <Eagle_101> now I've just have to figure out linux sockets ;)
[08:38] <Eagle_101> as winsock won't run here :|
[08:39] <kalikiana_> grazie, there is synaptic if you don't like 'apt-cache search' :)
[08:41] <grazie> kalikiana_: oh yeah, I was just saying the apt-get cli isn't it's best feature
[08:42] <kalikiana_> grazie, what exactly do you dislike?
[08:44] <grazie> kalikiana_: 'apt-get remove' or 'apt-get --purge remove', etc... makes no sense to me
[08:51] <kalikiana_> grazie, isn't 'pacman -R' == 'apt-get remove' anyway? i admit 'apt-get --remove' would make more sense :/
[08:51] <grazie> yeah
[08:54] <kalikiana_> grazie, my favorite annoyance is that you can't check for updates with user rights
[08:55] <grazie> kalikiana_: there must be a way round that 'cos you can with the Update Manager (which unfortunately is very dodgy)
[08:56] <kalikiana_> I guess reading files is not the issue but rather apt-get's lack of intelligence.
[08:57] <kalikiana_> But I didn't feel like coding my own script for just that.
[09:07] <RememberPO1> Wouldn't it make sense to have a package suite in the mainstream ubuntu repository that allows you to set up xfce and remove gnome, essentially rendering xubuntu after a regular ubuntu install / net upgrade?
[09:07] <RememberPO1> instead of an entirely separate install?
[09:13] <kalikiana> RememberPO1, you can 'apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop' and 'apt-get install xubuntu-desktop'
[09:15] <kalikiana> or 'apt-get remove libgnome2-common'
[09:40] <RememberPO1> oh
[09:41] <RememberPO1> so there's really no need for a new ubuntu+xfce user to even download an xubuntu install ISO...
[09:42] <RememberPO1> why not just merge xubuntu work into mainstream ubuntu by making in more well known as how to install xubuntu-desktop
[09:42] <RememberPO1> i guess by allowing you to choose GNOME|KDE|XFCE as your DE when first installing ubuntu
[09:42] <RememberPO1> heh
[09:44] <RememberPO1> i mean sure, specify a default (GNOME,random) for those that don't care... but make it easy to specify if you want to, or switch  later on, heh
[01:53] <raim> hi there, can someone help me (unix/linux/debian/ubuntu rookie) find System > Preferences on xubuntu?
[01:57] <grazie> raim: what kind of system preferences do you want to set? Applications > Settings or Applications > System
[01:58] <raim> mhm. currently i want to add a program tostartup programs. but i saw a couple of instructions which started with "open System -> Preferences -> ..."
[02:01] <raim> I see "Applications > System" in my menu and assumed that this is the "system" from "system > preferences". am i wrong?
[02:01] <grazie> raim: Applications > Settings > Autostarted Applications....it's not difficult :)
[02:02] <TheSheep> raim: you're using an ubuntu howto for xubuntu -- xubuntu has different dialogues and menus
[02:02] <raim> ok i see. could have been found. but if you have no clue at all. ...
[02:02] <raim> yeah, but unfortunately i don't find any of my problems on xubuntu related pages :(
[02:03] <raim> (other questions would include: all my video players sometimes crash and need a reboot (!) to play again. i need to reboot (!) to switch to an external monitor (xubuntu on acer travelmate tablet pc.))
[02:05] <TheSheep> raim: that's very strangre
[02:06] <TheSheep> raim: what graphics card and driver do you use?
[02:06] <raim> i know!
[02:06] <raim> kind of a windows-like feature, right :) ?
[02:06] <raim> just a moment
[02:07] <raim>  SMI Lynx3DM+ - 8 MB (according to a website, is there a way to find out form command-line or some file?)
[02:08] <raim> this is my computer (inherited from my mum, i would have checked for better linux compatibility if i had bought it myself :) ): http://www.amazon.co.uk/Acer-TravelMate-C102TCi-Tablet-PC/dp/B0002AFX0K
[02:09] <TheSheep> first time I hear about this video card
[02:11] <raim> it's really strange. if i jump forwards and backwards to fast in some large videos (350 MB) the players (so far mplayer, gxine, totem tested) make strange sounds and need to be killed externally. then they just won't play any video anymore and i really need to reboot (restart X doesn't help) to view videos again.
[02:12] <raim> ... make strange sounds and the video freezes ...
[02:13] <TheSheep> sounds? O.o
[02:13] <raim> noise, ugly noise.
[02:13] <TheSheep> raim: but with speakers?
[02:14] <raim> which makes me fear and feel sorry for my speakers. ... yes with speakers and with built-in speakers. the noise is not always there, btw, sometimes the video just freezes and the player needs to be killed.
[02:15] <raim> do you think compiling mplayer manually might help (instead of apt-get version)?
[02:15] <TheSheep> raim: you can try
[02:15] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: how can I set priority of SATA drives over IDE?
[02:15] <soweto76>  raim How much RAM?  Is the video card only using 8MB
[02:16] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: what do you mean priority?
[02:16] <soweto76> raim, How much RAM?  Is the video card only using 8MB?
[02:16] <raim> RAM is 256. don't know about the video card.
[02:16] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: swap?
[02:16] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: well, currently I have IDE drives only... and with feisty they get problems... so I got now a 500gb sata drive... I intend to install feisty on there... while the ides are disconnected... once it's installed
[02:16] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: I want to plugin the IDEs again to get the data from them
[02:17] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: but won't the computer boot then from the IDEs instead of the SATA?
[02:17] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: it will boot from whatever drive you set it to boot from in BIOS
[02:18] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: hmmm.... I thought I only have options there like "none", disk drive, harddrive, lan, usb, and two-three more things
[02:18] <hyper_ch> I can't recall anything specific to sata
[02:19] <soweto76> raim, The on-board video will use some RAM but 256 should be enough.  However, you could try increasing the amount of RAM for the video hardware.  Just a thought -- not a strong confident recommendation eh.
[02:20] <soweto76> raim, take a look on x.org to find out about that video card and applicable options for the X driver.
[02:20] <raim> the same videos played fine on my former notebook with 128 MB RAM, fedora core 2. how do i increase the amount of RAM for the video hardware?
[02:21] <raim> ok. i will go to x.org then. thanks!
[02:21] <soweto76> http://x.org
[02:23] <raim> can't find Lynx3DM on x.org search. the notebook description says "Graphics Controller: SMI Lynx3DM+ - 8 MB". this is my video card, right?
[02:24] <TheSheep> raim: try this command: lspc | grep VGA
[02:24] <TheSheep> lspci
[02:24] <raim> Silicon Motion, Inc. SM720 Lynx3DM (rev c1)
[02:24] <TheSheep> sorry
[02:25] <soweto76> raim, lspci | grep -i vga
[02:27] <raim> fyi, i found the following X bug for this card: http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2007/01/msg00190.html
[02:28] <TheSheep> hah
[02:28] <TheSheep> !bugs | raim
[02:28] <ubotu> raim: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[02:31] <raim> ok, i will do that. should i also reply to this debian bug list? they want to close that bug. do you think that this is related to my problem?
[02:33] <TheSheep> raim: it might be related
[02:33] <soweto76> raim, a fscked-up X is a show-stopper -- direct privileged access to hardware. ;)
[02:33] <raim> soweto76: ??
[02:34] <soweto76> raim, When X is unstable, it will lock up the machine.
[02:36] <soweto76> raim, X runs as root and has root privileges on the hardware.
[02:37] <raim> ok :) yeah, actually i had some bad X related memory leak also. with flash movies and/or mplayer. memory continued to be filled up even when i stopped firefox. but this hasn't occured recently. this also needed a reboot :(
[02:37] <soweto76> raim, even though the kernel may still be active, your display will become unusable.
[02:39] <raim> the video player bug is already there: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/66892
[02:39] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 66892 in linux-source-2.6.15 "Random system lockup on video playback" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[02:42] <grazie> raim: I think  you should add your details too
[02:43] <raim> ok, i will do that. what details about my machine/system should i add? (this would be my first bug report :) )
[02:44] <grazie> raim: I think there's a good guide on the wiki..lemme get a link
[02:46] <raim> ok, another stupid question (i always forget these details): which file again tells me which system i am running (i know it's the latest (6.10 or so) xubuntu, but i need to learn this things sooner or later ... )
[02:46] <TheSheep> raim: just switch to text console with alt+ctrl+f1 and see what the login screen says
[02:47] <raim> alt+ctrl+f1 is another thing that does'nt work on my machine. isn't there some file? i remember something with cat /proc/...
[02:48] <grazie> raim: bug reporting guide >> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs .... I thought thre was a specific video driver bug report guide, but I can't find it
[02:49] <raim> or cat /etc/... ?
[02:49] <raim> It says  For display/X problems, always attach /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log.
[02:50] <grazie> raim: cat /etc/issue
[02:52] <raim> ok, thanks. i guess that's different for all releases. i had something with more details. ah! there was some file that also gave a short list of CPU data etc.
[02:52] <soweto76> raim, cat /proc/cpuinfo
[02:53] <soweto76> raim, sudo dmidecode | less
[02:54] <raim> ok, i see. there is a lot of ways to get these data. i remember something very short, two lines only, but included operating system, cpu and some other stuff. maybe that was fedora specific.
[02:54] <soweto76> raim, don't forget to use the information from " lspci | grep -i vga " to inquire at x.org.
[02:55] <soweto76> raim, uname -a  maybe -- not sure what you want eh.
[02:55] <raim> btw, do i have a problem if my CPU is supposed to have 800 MHz but cpuinfo says "cpu MHz         : 400.000" ???
[02:56] <soweto76> raim, laptops change freq to conserve power but I am not sure about how that machine is funtioning.
[02:56] <raim> yeah, sorry, forget about that. where i work i have a lot of unix people around and always just ask "what was that again?" sorry for doing that here again
[03:04] <raim> ok, thanks for the moment. i reported my similar problems as a reply to above bug reports. now i need to restart X to try out solution to the initial problem i posted above. see you later.
[03:09] <xubuntu-lover> hey everyone
[03:10] <xubuntu-lover> i have a little probleme :)
[03:11] <xubuntu-lover> i have installed xubuntu and wanted to boot from hdd..but it didn't work..the system gave me an error..no xubunut screen, nothing..but if i put the xubuntu cd into my drive, and pick "boot from hdd" it works fine..
[03:15] <rai2> i have another problem, that might again be quite stupid: how can i activate an external screen? the function keys available on my notebook don't work, do i just need to activate them? some function keys, like brightness, work fine, however. when i reboot with the external screen plugged in, both screens are active.
[03:15] <grazie> xubuntu-lover: what machine is it?
[03:16] <rai2> (ok, rai2 is raim again, need to find a unique irc name i guess)
[03:20] <soweto76> rai2, xinerama is supported in xorg.  Search ubuntu forums for how to modifiy your /etc/X11/xorg.conf to use it.  I don't know about an easy way.  xinerama is supported well by Xfce4.
[03:22] <soweto76> rai2, there is also an ubuntu howto on using xev and xmodmap to get your keys working.
[03:22] <xubuntu-lover> grazie..i have a desktop pc with hardware like amd xp 2800+ and 512 mb ram and an asus nforce motherboard
[03:24] <grazie> xubuntu-lover: and grub was set up as part or the installation?
[03:24] <grazie> of*
[03:25] <xubuntu-lover> may be..don't know ..i think it wasnt set correctly..
[03:28] <grazie> xubuntu-lover: sounds like the grub set up has been missed or failed for some reason
[03:36] <xubuntu-lover> what do i have to do now ?
[03:37] <grazie> xubuntu-lover: boot with you live cd and we'll take a looksy
[03:38] <xubuntu-lover> i'm in my linux system right now
[03:39] <grazie> xubuntu-lover: did you boot the hard drive?
[03:40] <xubuntu-lover> jap..first i put in my live cd..then i've chosen to boot from hdd..and then the system bootet from hdd..but without this live cd..it couldn't boot from hdd
[03:41] <grazie> xubuntu-lover: in a terminal 'cd /boot/grub'
[03:41] <xubuntu-lover> done
[03:42] <grazie> xubuntu-lover: have you got a menu.lst file there?
[03:42] <xubuntu-lover> jap
[03:42] <grazie> pastebin it
[03:42] <xubuntu-lover> pastebin?
[03:42] <grazie> pastebin | xubuntu-lover
[03:43] <TheSheep_> !pastebin | xubuntu-lover
[03:43] <ubotu> xubuntu-lover: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[03:43] <xubuntu-lover> the content of the menu.lst ?
[03:44] <grazie> yes
[03:45] <grazie> xubuntu-lover: are you dual booting?
[03:48] <xubuntu-lover> noo..only linux
[03:48] <grazie> ok....pasted?
[03:49] <xubuntu-lover> how do i "paste" the whole text?
[03:50] <TheSheep_> xubuntu-lover: select it and then middle-click on the text from in the browser
[03:50] <TheSheep_> form
[03:50] <TheSheep_> or just right-click, select "copy" from the menu, and then right-click on the form and select "paste"
[03:51] <xubuntu-lover> # menu.lst - See: grub(8), info grub, update-grub(8)
[03:51] <xubuntu-lover> #            grub-install(8), grub-floppy(8),
[03:51] <xubuntu-lover> #            grub-md5-crypt, /usr/share/doc/grub
[03:51] <xubuntu-lover> #            and /usr/share/doc/grub-doc/.
[03:51] <xubuntu-lover> ## default num
[03:51] <xubuntu-lover> # Set the default entry to the entry number NUM. Numbering starts from 0, and
[03:56] <xubuntu-lover> grazie?
[03:57] <TheSheep_> xubuntu-lover: you were supposed to paste it into a form on that page and then give us the url
[03:58] <xubuntu-lover> on which page?
[03:58] <TheSheep_> !pastebin | xubuntu-lover
[03:58] <ubotu> xubuntu-lover: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[03:59] <xubuntu-lover> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8396/
[04:12] <xubuntu-lover>  did you already find something?
[04:19] <xubuntu-lover> grazie/thesheep ?!
[04:29] <threat2> hello
[04:31] <threat2> I am using the lastest xubuntu, when I click on menu, quit, reboot or turn off the computer logs out and drops back to GDM instead of actually rebooting or halting the machine.
[04:31] <threat2> Any ideas how to fix this/
[04:32] <threat2> (my user has root access via sudo, my computer uses ACPI)
[04:34] <cellofellow> I think it may be something to do with "Sessions and Startup Settings" in the settings menu.
[04:35] <xubuntu-lover> @ grazie and other people : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8396
[04:35] <cellofellow> threat2: make sure "Prompt on logout" is checked.
[04:42] <threat2> cellofellow: it is, also, I have unchecked show Hiberate and standby, however it is still being displayed
[04:43] <cellofellow> :/
[04:43] <threat2> yeah I Know
[04:43] <threat2> any ideas?
[04:44] <cellofellow> nope
[04:46] <threat2> ok
[04:49] <Prisoner_> hello
[04:50] <Prisoner_> anyone here?
[04:52] <superkirbyartist> A friend of mine would like to switch to Ubuntu.  The only thing that stops him is Mozilla Thunderbird settings.  Can I transfer them from Windows to Linux
[04:52] <superkirbyartist> Please?
[04:52] <superkirbyartist> Anyone can help?
[04:56] <cellofellow> superkirbyartist: yes
[04:56] <cellofellow> superkirbyartist: drat you left
[05:17] <root_> TheSheep_: hiya, I have a problem with xubuntu feisty herd 5... the partitioner just doesn't work on the alternate cd... no matter what I choose (use entire disk, largeste free space, ...) I just get on the next screen in red telling that no root partition was defined... any idea on that issue?
[05:18] <TheSheep_> hyper_ch: known issue, look at forums
[05:18] <hyper_ch> TheSheep_: ok... do you know whether the life cd works? that's what I'm downloading now...
[05:19] <TheSheep_> hyper_ch: I'm not up to date recently
[05:26] <hyper_ch> TheSheep_: do you know an alternate mirror for the herd 5 images?
[05:27] <TheSheep_> nope
[05:33] <Romaan> do you know how enforce Thunar to take the mime types from /etc/mailcap?
[05:36] <TheSheep_> Ruyou can't, thunar will always use this: http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Standards_2fshared_2dmime_2dinfo_2dspec
[05:39] <Romaan> thank you
[05:47] <robert> hello
[05:50] <R[a] ndom> sup
[05:50] <R[a] ndom> oh
[05:50] <R[a] ndom> there you go
[05:52] <robert> hello
[05:52] <kalikiana_> hi
[05:52] <robert> i have a question
[05:52] <robert> my gf did something to her xubuntu
[05:53] <robert> and now her Applications button is missing
[05:53] <R[a] ndom> right click on the bar
[05:53] <R[a] ndom> add new item
[05:54] <R[a] ndom> xfce menu
[05:54] <robert> ok
[05:54] <robert> thank youu
[05:54] <R[a] ndom> np
[05:54] <robert> she was panicking
[05:54] <R[a] ndom> you might have to right click it and pick move
[05:54] <R[a] ndom> as it may not drop it where you like :)
[05:54] <robert> lol
[05:54] <robert> yay
[05:55] <robert> thank you
[05:55] <R[a] ndom> np
[05:55] <robert> when i install a program
[05:55] <robert> where does it go
[05:55] <robert> why doesnt it show in applications?>
[05:55] <R[a] ndom> how are  you installing them?
[05:56] <R[a] ndom> synaptic?
[05:56] <robert> i double clicked a .deb file
[05:56] <robert> the synaptic is outdated sorta
[05:56] <R[a] ndom> oh, yeah, in that case they may not show up
[05:56] <R[a] ndom> if you update synaptic it should be pretty close
[05:56] <R[a] ndom> but private .deb files dont seem to always add the item
[05:56] <R[a] ndom> you can add it yourself tho
[05:57] <R[a] ndom> lemme see how here, one sec. I dont use the menu
[05:57] <R[a] ndom> yeah you can right click the menu and go edit, and add programs there
[05:57] <R[a] ndom> the only thing you have to do is make sure you know what the program is called
[05:57] <robert> oo
[05:58] <R[a] ndom> I normally go to a terminal and figure out what it was called that way
[05:58] <robert> oo
[05:58] <R[a] ndom> heh
[05:58] <robert> im still new with the terminal
[05:58] <robert> im used to cmd prmpt
[05:58] <R[a] ndom> yeah I understand
[05:58] <R[a] ndom> Ive been with linux for 3 or 4 years now, and love it.
[05:58] <R[a] ndom> the longer you use it, the more youll appreciate it heh
[05:58] <robert> wow nice
[05:59] <robert> i just got my gf to switch from xp
[05:59] <R[a] ndom> my gf switched a couple years ago
[05:59] <R[a] ndom> and now she curses like a sailor if shes forced to use xp
[05:59] <robert> lol
[06:00] <R[a] ndom> but shes an astrophysics undergrad, and they do a lot of programming / database management type stuff
[06:00] <robert> sick
[06:00] <R[a] ndom> so anything else? ;)
[06:00] <robert> hmm
[06:00] <robert> well im still tryin to add the program to my list
[06:00] <R[a] ndom> ah kk
[06:00] <robert> i right clicked
[06:00] <R[a] ndom> what proggy
[06:00] <robert> its an 8085 simulator
[06:01] <R[a] ndom> neat.
[06:01] <robert> mhm
[06:01] <robert> so i right clicked
[06:01] <robert> and chose edit
[06:01] <robert> but i dont see the full menu here
[06:01] <R[a] ndom> yeah youre right
[06:01] <R[a] ndom> hmm..
[06:01] <robert> mm
[06:01] <R[a] ndom> like I said, ive never used the menu. heh
[06:02] <robert> lol
[06:02] <R[a] ndom> lemme click around
[06:02] <robert> alright
[06:03] <R[a] ndom> hm.. things you add there get added
[06:03] <R[a] ndom> I think this is just overlaid ontop of the system menu or something
[06:03] <robert> eh?
[06:03] <R[a] ndom> even tho there isnt much there, anything you add there does get added to the real menu
[06:03] <R[a] ndom> I think there must be 2 menu files, a system wide one and a personal one
[06:03] <R[a] ndom> and this is just the personal one
[06:04] <robert> ooh
[06:04] <R[a] ndom> so if there is more than one user, youll want to add it to the system one I guess
[06:04] <robert> im the only user
[06:05] <R[a] ndom> then you can add it there I guess
[06:05] <robert> is ther a folder similar to "Program Files" in windows?
[06:05] <R[a] ndom> in nix programs and separated the same way
[06:05] <R[a] ndom> the .exe equivalent goes in /usr/bin
[06:05] <R[a] ndom> the settings go in /etc/somewhere
[06:05] <robert> oo
[06:05] <R[a] ndom> the personal settings go in /home/you/.something
[06:06] <robert> lol
[06:06] <R[a] ndom> a dot before a name means hidden btw
[06:06] <robert> whats with the relatively vague names?
[06:06] <robert> etc
[06:06] <robert> lol
[06:06] <R[a] ndom> its a hold over from the oldschool unix systems
[06:06] <R[a] ndom> worst of all, there are no hard and fast rules about what goes where
[06:06] <R[a] ndom> each distro does things differently
[06:06] <robert> ouch
[06:06] <R[a] ndom> thats where sometimes downloading .debs or whatever can be a bit of a problem
[06:07] <R[a] ndom> I wouldnt worry too much, but occasionally things get confused
[06:07] <robert> i see
[06:07] <R[a] ndom> Ive always thought someone should buck up and make some dirs that make sense, but until then we just have to learn them heh
[06:07] <robert> lol
[06:09] <R[a] ndom> so any luck with figuring out the programs name and such?
[06:09] <robert> im sewarching
[06:09] <robert> searching*
[06:10] <R[a] ndom> what I normally do is guess the first couple letters then just tab complete.. tho I'm sure theres an easier way to do it
[06:10] <R[a] ndom> the .deb file probably says somewhere
[06:10] <robert> im looking in usr/bin
[06:11] <R[a] ndom> oh nono
[06:11] <R[a] ndom> heh
[06:11] <R[a] ndom> where did you get the file? lemme look at it
[06:11] <robert> mm
[06:12] <robert> http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Programming/Assembler-Tools/GNU-8085-Simulator-618.shtml
[06:13] <R[a] ndom> random@workstatiuntoo:/$ sch 8085
[06:13] <R[a] ndom> gnusim8085 - Graphical Intel 8085 simulator, assembler and debugger
[06:13] <R[a] ndom> its in the ubuntu repos
[06:14] <R[a] ndom> and the command is gnusim8085
[06:14] <R[a] ndom> maybe you havent uncommented the universe/multiverse repos?
[06:15] <robert> oh
[06:15] <robert> wait
[06:15] <robert> the command?
[06:16] <robert> and what is this unvivers/multiversE?
[06:16] <RandomDestructn> heh.
[06:16] <RandomDestructn> first yeah, the command ot run it is gnusim8085
[06:16] <RandomDestructn> so typing that in a terminal will run it
[06:16] <robert> oh
[06:17] <robert> really?
[06:17] <robert> how does it know where to look?
[06:17] <RandomDestructn> and if you make the link in the menu, all you need to enter is gnusim8085 in the 'command' box
[06:17] <RandomDestructn> its in your path
[06:17] <RandomDestructn> windows does that too
[06:17] <RandomDestructn> if you type a command, first it looks in the dir your in, then if it doesnt find it, it looks in your path
[06:18] <robert> how do i make a shortcut to the terminal and gnusim8085 on my desktop?
[06:18] <RandomDestructn> random@workstatiuntoo:/$ echo $PATH
[06:18] <RandomDestructn> /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games
[06:18] <RandomDestructn> just so you know :)
[06:18] <RandomDestructn> desktop eh?.... I dont use desktop icons either.. lemme figure out how to turn them on
[06:18] <robert> wats that
[06:18] <robert> oh
[06:18] <robert> lol
[06:18] <RandomDestructn> thats where it looks for commands
[06:18] <robert> alright
[06:19] <robert> where can i keep stuff that i download, like pictures, music, or anything else?
[06:19] <RandomDestructn> I use ~/Documents/Pictures
[06:19] <RandomDestructn> like that
[06:20] <RandomDestructn> and my mp3s are separate cause I have a lot of 'em
[06:20] <robert> where did u create it?
[06:20] <RandomDestructn> oh sorry ~/ means home directory
[06:20] <RandomDestructn> there should already be a Documents directory
[06:20] <RandomDestructn> I think
[06:20] <RandomDestructn> but if not right in /home/robert/
[06:20] <RandomDestructn> or whatever your user name is
[06:20] <Prisoner_> hi
[06:20] <RandomDestructn> sup
[06:20] <Prisoner_> anyone install j2re?
[06:21] <Prisoner_> I started the install over an hour ago and it's still going, should this be happening?
[06:21] <RandomDestructn> how you installing it?
[06:21] <RandomDestructn> but its safe to say no :)
[06:21] <Prisoner_> through Synaptic
[06:21] <RandomDestructn> weird
[06:22] <Prisoner_> it's just saying Installing Software
[06:22] <Prisoner_> and preparing packages
[06:22] <RandomDestructn> I'd probably kill it and try again, but I dont know what the proper course of action would be
[06:22] <Prisoner_> not sure what to think
[06:22] <RandomDestructn> theres no way its doing it now tho
[06:22] <robert> i used easy ubuntu script to install java
[06:22] <RandomDestructn> after that long
[06:22] <RandomDestructn> yeah easyubuntu is alright, but can cause problems in the long run sometimes
[06:22] <RandomDestructn> or atlesat it used to
[06:23] <RandomDestructn> maybe they fixed it
[06:23] <RandomDestructn> oh robert, about those repositories
[06:23] <robert> yeah
[06:23] <RandomDestructn> looking for a guide
[06:23] <RandomDestructn> you running edgy?
[06:24] <robert> mm
[06:24] <robert> the latest one?
[06:24] <RandomDestructn> the latest official, yeah
[06:24] <robert> yeah i have that
[06:24] <robert> and i also installed ubuntu
[06:24] <RandomDestructn> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_apt-get_the_easy_way_.28Synaptic.29
[06:24] <RandomDestructn> that will add the 'unsupported' repos
[06:24] <robert> oh wow
[06:25] <RandomDestructn> they may be unsupported officially, but its way better than downloading things randomly :)
[06:25] <robert> lol
[06:25] <robert> yeah
[06:25] <robert> thx
[06:26] <RandomDestructn> after those are in, you can install a stack of media codecs if you watch videos etc on this box.
[06:27] <RandomDestructn> with all the codecs in there mplayer can play absolutely anything
[06:27] <robert> wow
[06:31] <robert> ok now im getting errors
[06:31] <robert> in the synaptic
[06:31] <robert> E: Malformed line 34 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse)
[06:32] <RandomDestructn> hm.
[06:32] <RandomDestructn> k, we'll have to have a look at that
[06:32] <RandomDestructn> go to console
[06:32] <robert> terminal?
[06:32] <RandomDestructn> hm. what editor you use?
[06:32] <robert> im not sure
[06:32] <RandomDestructn> we need to edit that file as super user
[06:32] <robert> just switched yesterday
[06:32] <RandomDestructn> I forget what comes installed by default
[06:33] <robert> mm
[06:33] <robert> AbiWord
[06:33] <RandomDestructn> look in accessories menu
[06:33] <RandomDestructn> you have mousepad?
[06:33] <robert> yes
[06:33] <RandomDestructn> I'm trying to not use a console based text editor here :)
[06:33] <RandomDestructn> perfect
[06:33] <RandomDestructn> ok open a console and type
[06:33] <robert> mhm
[06:34] <RandomDestructn> sudo mousepad /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:34] <robert> ok
[06:34] <RandomDestructn> you have to sudo to edit it because its outside of your home directory
[06:34] <robert> alright
[06:34] <RandomDestructn> itll ask for your password
[06:34] <robert> done
[06:34] <robert> now a file opened
[06:34] <RandomDestructn> paste me line 34
[06:34] <robert> lol
[06:34] <robert> uh
[06:34] <robert> does that include spaces?
[06:34] <RandomDestructn> ctrl + j
[06:35] <robert> ok
[06:35] <robert> its blank
[06:35] <RandomDestructn> ugh. something directly above/below it?
[06:35] <robert> yes
[06:35] <robert> above it
[06:35] <robert> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy
[06:36] <RandomDestructn> the only thing I see difft from mine really
[06:37] <RandomDestructn> is mine have a trailing slash after ubuntu
[06:37] <robert> oh
[06:37] <RandomDestructn> http://pastebin.ca/
[06:37] <RandomDestructn> if you want you can paste me the whole file and I can see
[06:37] <robert> the error said line 31
[06:37] <robert> it changed
 E: Malformed line 34 in sourc
[06:38] <RandomDestructn> oh
[06:38] <RandomDestructn> so whats line 31?
[06:38] <robert> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy
[06:38] <RandomDestructn> the same?
[06:38] <robert> llooks like it
[06:38] <RandomDestructn> so remove one of them
[06:38] <robert> uh oh
[06:38] <RandomDestructn> put a # before it
[06:39] <robert> pok
[06:39] <robert> ok
[06:39] <RandomDestructn> random@workstatiuntoo:~$ sudo apt-get update
[06:39] <RandomDestructn> E: Malformed line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse)
[06:39] <RandomDestructn> yeah that line is wrong
[06:39] <robert> ok
[06:39] <robert> now new error
[06:39] <robert> E: Malformed line 33 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse)
[06:39] <robert> which is deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy
[06:40] <RandomDestructn> here, can you paste the file to that pastebin site I linked
[06:40] <robert> ok
[06:40] <RandomDestructn> just a bit easier when I can see everything :)
[06:40] <robert> :P fair enough
[06:41] <robert> http://pastebin.ca/379978
[06:41] <RandomDestructn> there is no line 33
[06:41] <RandomDestructn> but 32 is wrong ;)
[06:41] <Eagle_101> !sh
[06:41] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[06:42] <RandomDestructn> wait, just get rid of 32
[06:42] <RandomDestructn> oh sorry no lol
[06:42] <RandomDestructn> I mistead
[06:42] <RandomDestructn> add the word main after edgy
[06:42] <robert> wait
[06:42] <robert> it closed
[06:42] <robert> wth
[06:43] <robert> ok back
[06:43] <robert> so..
[06:44] <robert> add main after edgy on which line?
[06:44] <RandomDestructn> lol.. getting confused here with all the repos. adding them that way in the tutorial made it confusing
[06:44] <robert> lol
[06:44] <robert> ok well now it works
[06:44] <RandomDestructn> yeah?
[06:44] <robert> yup
[06:44] <RandomDestructn> perfect then
[06:45] <robert> lol
[06:45] <RandomDestructn> I was looking at mine, and I dont have that one
[06:45] <RandomDestructn> the archive.ubuntu.com
[06:45] <RandomDestructn> I'm a bit rusty with these as I only do it once a year :)
[06:45] <robert> oo
[06:45] <robert> :P
[06:46] <RandomDestructn> so yeah, you should have a lot of programs now
[06:46] <RandomDestructn> (available to download)
[06:47] <robert> yes
[06:47] <RandomDestructn> so do you want the multimedia codecs?
[06:47] <robert> sure
[06:48] <RandomDestructn> heres what the tutorial says:
[06:48] <RandomDestructn> sudo aptitude install gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg gstreamer0.10-gl gstreamer0.10-plugins-base \
[06:48] <RandomDestructn> gstreamer0.10-plugins-good gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse \
[06:48] <RandomDestructn> gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse libxine-extracodecs w32codecs
[06:48] <RandomDestructn> you can probably use synaptic instead of aptitude
[06:48] <RandomDestructn> iunno, I use apt-get for everything
[06:48] <RandomDestructn> thats one line on command line btw
[06:48] <cellofellow> use seveas or medibuntu repos to the w32codecs
[06:48] <RandomDestructn> theyve been added
[06:49] <cellofellow> re-added you mean?
[06:49] <RandomDestructn> I mean he has 'em in his sources.lst
[06:49] <cellofellow> ok
[06:50] <robert> hm
[06:51] <robert> well i made a shortcut to the gnusim8085 on my desktop
[06:51] <RandomDestructn> excellent :P
[06:51] <robert> lol
[06:53] <robert> can i mess up my system if i add   rm -fr /tmp/* /tmp/.??* after a line in the sysklogd?
[06:54] <soweto76> robert, I believe there is a cron job that cleans that up for you anyhow.
[06:54] <robert> oh
[06:54] <robert> wats cron?
[06:54] <RandomDestructn> a daemon and runs commands at scheduled times
[06:55] <soweto76> robert, man cron
[06:55] <IceBear> hi does anyone know how i can disable the autostart of the xserver?
[06:55] <robert> oo
[06:58] <IceBear> nobody? :(
[06:58] <robert> aww
[06:58] <robert> wait for RandomDesctruction, he knows a lot
[06:58] <soweto76> IceBear, I don't know how to do it permanently but if you only want to disable it temporarily for reconfiguration purposes:  /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[06:59] <IceBear> hm, nope, permanently
[07:00] <TheSheep_> IceBear: remove it from your runlevels, either with sysv-rc-conf or manually
[07:00] <soweto76> IceBear, I don't know but in old Debian one could just "apt-get remove gdm"
[07:01] <soweto76> IceBear, take a look here:  man update-rc.d
[07:02] <soweto76> IceBear, that does what TheSheep_ is recommending as well.
[07:04] <robert> My mouse has a little button on the side that used to go back in ie but its not working in firefox, how do i make it work?
[07:06] <IceBear> what's ubuntus normal runlevel? 2 or 5?
[07:06] <RandomDestructn> i think 5
[07:07] <soweto76> IceBear, if you remove gdm from the runlevels it will not be run by init.
[07:07] <soweto76> IceBear, gdm starts X.
[07:07] <IceBear> yes that's what i'm trying now... thanks so far
[07:08] <RandomDestructn> bu no thanks if it doesnt work? :P
[07:08] <IceBear> lol no that's not what i meant ^^
[07:08] <RandomDestructn> ;)
[07:08] <IceBear> thanks even if it doesn't work ;)
[07:08] <IceBear> but i have faith that it'll work :p
[07:09] <soweto76> IceBear, the syntax of update.rc.d is not particularly friendly anyhow
[07:10] <robert> how do i find out my ip adress?
[07:10] <soweto76> robert, ifconfig
[07:10] <robert> really?
[07:10] <robert> just like windows
[07:10] <RandomDestructn> unless you want your external address and your behind a router
[07:10] <RandomDestructn> windows is iPconfig :)
[07:10] <robert> oh my bad
[07:11] <IceBear> wah not working :S
[07:11] <RandomDestructn> oh in response to the prev 2 or 5 question
[07:11] <RandomDestructn> the answer was runlevel 2
[07:11] <RandomDestructn> I was wrong
[07:11] <IceBear> oh.. okay, explains then ^^
[07:11] <IceBear> i removed it from 5
[07:11] <RandomDestructn> all other higher runlevels are just dupes of 2
[07:12] <RandomDestructn> according to this site I just found
[07:12] <robert> is azureus a good bit torrent client?
[07:13] <IceBear> imho it is but very memory intensive
[07:13] <robert> which wud u recommend?
[07:13] <RandomDestructn> azureus :)
[07:14] <IceBear> well yes ^^
[07:14] <RandomDestructn> its the most fully featured on on linux from what Ive seen
[07:14] <soweto76> robert, azureus has lotsa features eh
[07:14] <RandomDestructn> if you just want something more basic. there are others
[07:14] <RandomDestructn> but if youre on any private sites youll need az.
[07:14] <robert> yeah
[07:14] <robert> blackcats
[07:15] <RandomDestructn> never heard of it.
[07:15] <RandomDestructn> *checks*
[07:15] <IceBear> yay it's working :) thanks a lot
[07:16] <soweto76> IceBear, how did you choose to do it?
[07:16] <robert> www.blackcats-games.net
[07:16] <RandomDestructn> yeah im there now
[07:16] <RandomDestructn> I didnt know the wii was kicking the ps3s ass so badly :)
[07:16] <IceBear> i removed it from runlevel 2
[07:17] <soweto76> how?
[07:17] <soweto76> what "it"?
[07:17] <IceBear> from the runlevel 2 folder
[07:17] <IceBear> gdm that is
[07:17] <robert> lol
[07:17] <robert> it is
[07:17] <soweto76> did you use a program?
[07:17] <robert> ps3 has about 1.5 million sales world wide
[07:18] <IceBear> uhm midnight commander? ;)
[07:18] <soweto76> hand job eh :)
[07:19] <soweto76> IceBear, I just now was thinking you could have changed the permissions on /etc/init.d/gdm as easily -- just thought...
[07:20] <IceBear> well np it's working like i want... just in case i decide that i want it back i just copy it from runlevel 5 or something ;)
[07:20] <RandomDestructn> you deleted it from runlevel 5!
[07:20] <RandomDestructn> ohnoez@
[07:20] <robert> is ther an alien command?
[07:20] <robert> sudo alien -d LimeWireLinux.rpm
[07:21] <RandomDestructn> turns rpms into debs
[07:21] <RandomDestructn> yeah
[07:21] <RandomDestructn> never used it tho
[07:21] <IceBear> there is limewire for linux?
[07:21] <RandomDestructn> not in my repos :)
[07:21] <IceBear> in fact i didn't even delete it RandomDestructn
[07:21] <apokryphos> IceBear: it's Java...
[07:21] <IceBear> i moved it to my home folder :D
[07:21] <IceBear> o right...
[07:21] <robert> yeah there is limewire for linux
[07:21] <apokryphos> ubotu: limewire
[07:21] <ubotu> limewire is a popular P2P client running on the Gnutella network. To get it running, install !java first, then download Limewire from http://www.limewire.com/LimeWireSoftOther and finally run runLime.sh. Consider !FrostWire as an alternative.
[07:21] <IceBear> it's just... that i don't like the gnutella network :p
[07:21] <RandomDestructn> beh torrent sited >> limewire anyway
[07:21] <apokryphos> gnutella network rocks; it's the clients that suck
[07:22] <IceBear> and the cops of course :P
[07:22] <robert> i had awesome speeds with lw
[07:22] <RandomDestructn> I get horrible speeds with those networks
[07:22] <RandomDestructn> torrents I have to cap azureus at 500k so it doesnt saturate my connection
[07:22] <IceBear> well i'll never "infect" my system with gnutella clients again :P
[07:22] <RandomDestructn> but off those networks I found id get like 60k/sec
[07:23] <robert> i used to get 200k/s
[07:23] <RandomDestructn> not bad :)
[07:23] <robert> :P
[07:23] <RandomDestructn> then again maybe slower speeds would be a good thing
[07:23] <robert> torrents are slow though
[07:23] <RandomDestructn> ?@
[07:23] <robert> because my provider limits them
[07:23] <RandomDestructn> you have it on a crazy port / message stream encryption / lazy bitfield?
[07:23] <RandomDestructn> cause I think that should stop them
[07:24] <robert> mm
[07:24] <RandomDestructn> mine dont limit it, but i did that anyway to help everyone else :P
[07:24] <RandomDestructn> you use azureus?
[07:25] <robert> yes
[07:25] <robert> all the time
[07:25] <robert> but hte linux one is an older version it seems
[07:25] <RandomDestructn> tools -> options -> connection -> transport encryption
[07:25] <RandomDestructn> the lin version is the same, but the repos might be out of date
[07:25] <RandomDestructn> its java, so the lin version basically == the windows ver
[07:25] <RandomDestructn> I set it to require encrypted transport, min level plain
[07:25] <RandomDestructn> then click both allows
[07:26] <RandomDestructn> itll try to encrypt everything, but fall back on non encrypted if that fails
[07:26] <robert> alright
[07:26] <robert> thx
[07:26] <RandomDestructn> also in options -> transfer, near the bottom check lazy bitfield
[07:26] <robert> alright
[07:26] <robert> wats ur global max upload speed?
[07:27] <RandomDestructn> I set it to about 70
[07:27] <RandomDestructn> as my connection saturates around 80
[07:27] <robert> alright
[07:27] <RandomDestructn> if I'm doing a lot of stuff I'll use 65 sometimes
[07:27] <RandomDestructn> and 30 if I'm on the phone
[07:27] <robert> lol
[07:27] <RandomDestructn> theres an azureus plugin that automatically sets the speeds for you
[07:28] <ffxr>  hi i wanna reconfigue xserver but not the gfx card part just the monitor section is there a switch or something i can add to sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to achieve this?
[07:28] <robert> i had it before
[07:28] <RandomDestructn> it pings the first hop, and keeps a certain ping value
[07:28] <RandomDestructn> yeah, it worked for me then stopped
[07:28] <robert> lol
[07:28] <RandomDestructn> maybe my ISP stopped responding to pings at the first hop due to too many people doing that
[07:28] <RandomDestructn> iunno
[07:28] <robert> mm
[07:28] <robert> how do i connect to Zudeo?
[07:28] <robert> i really liked it
[07:28] <RandomDestructn> *google*
[07:28] <robert> it was part of my azureus in windows
[07:29] <RandomDestructn> its some sort of DRMd file store or something?
[07:29] <RandomDestructn> google isnt being very helpful
[07:29] <robert> http://www.zudeo.com/az-web/app
[07:30] <RandomDestructn> oh I found this the other day
[07:30] <RandomDestructn> you want to install it?
[07:30] <RandomDestructn> cause I think I might now, so I can talk you through it
[07:30] <robert> mm
[07:31] <robert> on second thought, i dont think ill need it too much
[07:31] <RandomDestructn> kk
[07:31] <robert> mm
[07:31] <robert> i installed frostwire from that site u sent me
[07:32] <robert> first i did wget -c http://fuse.frostwire.com/frostwire/4.13.1/frostwire-<IP_ADDRESS>-1.i586.deb
[07:32] <robert> and then sudo dpkg -i frostwire-<IP_ADDRESS>-1.i586.deb
[07:32] <RandomDestructn> sounds right
[07:32] <RandomDestructn> heh
[07:32] <robert> but now it wont load
[07:32] <RandomDestructn> what happens if you launch it from the terminal?
[07:32] <RandomDestructn> any errors or anything?
[07:33] <robert> uh
[07:33] <Mobadass> is there any xfce 4.4 final packages for 64bit?
[07:33] <robert> dont have valid jre
[07:33] <robert> im missing a bunch of java things
[07:33] <RandomDestructn> I guess that would be a problem.
[07:33] <robert> yes it would
[07:33] <RandomDestructn> theres a jre in the repos
[07:33] <RandomDestructn> sudo apt-cache search jre
[07:33] <RandomDestructn> comes up with some stuff
[07:34] <robert> mm
[07:34] <robert> so which do i install
[07:34] <RandomDestructn> java 5 or 6..
[07:34] <RandomDestructn> iunno your choice ;)
[07:34] <Vincent_k> sudo apt-get sun-java6-jre
[07:34] <RandomDestructn> Vincent_k's choice.
[07:35] <RandomDestructn> give 'er
[07:35] <Vincent_k> sudo apt-get sun-java6-plugin
[07:35] <Vincent_k> thats what I have installed
[07:35] <RandomDestructn> sudo apt-get install sun-java6-plugin
[07:35] <robert> i had java 5 installed
[07:36] <RandomDestructn> oh if you use apt-get, I'd make a couple aliases for it.. I did anyway
[07:36] <robert> im using the synaptic packet manager
[07:36] <RandomDestructn> I replace 'sudo apt-get install x' with 'ins x'
[07:36] <RandomDestructn> its a bi--
[07:36] <RandomDestructn> ah kk
[07:37] <robert> man i gota go get some food
[07:37] <robert> brb
[07:37] <robert> thx for all the help btw
[07:38] <RandomDestructn> np
[08:07] <robert> hello again
[08:09] <robert> wats the delete command in terminal?
[08:09] <RandomDestructn> rm
[08:09] <RandomDestructn> rm -r is recursive
[08:10] <RandomDestructn> -f is force
[08:10] <RandomDestructn> never type rm -rf unless youre very sure ;)
[08:11] <robert> lol
[08:11] <robert> ty
[08:12] <robert> is there a paste command in terminal?
[08:12] <robert> besides right clicking and going to paste
[08:13] <grazie> shift+ctrl+v
[08:14] <robert> oo ok
[08:17] <RandomDestructn> also if you highlight text, middle click pasts
[08:17] <RandomDestructn> pastes
[08:17] <robert> oo
[08:17] <robert> thx
[08:17] <robert> ok i give up
[08:17] <robert> how do i install java?
[08:17] <RandomDestructn> lol
[08:17] <RandomDestructn> what did installing that package get you?
[08:17] <RandomDestructn> nothing?
[08:18] <robert> yeah
[08:18] <robert> nothing
[08:18] <robert> then it ried installing manually
[08:18] <robert> i downloaded the file from java's website
[08:18] <robert> and i installed it to /usr/Java
[08:18] <robert> and now all my desktop icons are gone
[08:19] <RandomDestructn> ...
[08:19] <RandomDestructn> thats an interesting situation
[08:19] <RandomDestructn> i have absolutely no idea how those are related
[08:19] <RandomDestructn> agh.
[08:19] <robert> lol
[08:19] <RandomDestructn> guitar setup is tough :P
[08:19] <robert> :P
[08:19] <robert> so how do i go about instaling java
[08:20] <robert> what directory shud it be in?
[08:20] <RandomDestructn> iunno
[08:20] <RandomDestructn> try to find a tutorial I guess
[08:20] <RandomDestructn> I dont remember how I did mine
[08:20] <RandomDestructn> I havent reinstalled in a while
[08:21] <RandomDestructn> tho I thought I used the package
[08:21] <robert> oie
[08:21] <robert> so difficult
[08:21] <RandomDestructn> installing non-supported programs sometimes can be
[08:22] <RandomDestructn> I'm sure theres a tutorial for it out there tho
[08:22] <RandomDestructn> ubuntu has a great communit
[08:22] <RandomDestructn> y
[08:23] <robert> im using this tutorial
[08:23] <robert> http://www.java.com/en/download/help/5000010500.xml#selfextracting
[08:26] <robert> brb
[08:28] <robert> ok
[08:29] <PuMpErNiCkLe> There's a package.
[08:29] <PuMpErNiCkLe> !info sun-java5-jre
[08:29] <ubotu> sun-java5-jre: Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.5.0-08-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 7279 kB, installed size 16132 kB
[08:29] <robert> o0
[08:29] <robert> but how do i install it?
[08:30] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Through apt, as usual.
[08:30] <robert> and Properly
[08:30] <RandomDestructn> didnt we just do that?
[08:30] <robert> i dont know
[08:30] <robert> how do u do it through apt?
[08:30] <PuMpErNiCkLe> There's also sun-java6-jre in backports for edgy, I think.
[08:30] <cellofellow> yes
[08:30] <robert> i tried installing java through synaptic
[08:30] <robert> i installed 6.0
[08:30] <robert> but it doesnt work
[08:31] <cellofellow> doesn't work in FIrefox?
[08:31] <robert> doesnt work with frostwire
[08:31] <cellofellow> did you update your alternatives?
[08:31] <robert> whats that?
[08:31] <cellofellow> you have to set up the symlinks so that /usr/bin/java points to the right file.
[08:32] <robert> oh
[08:32] <robert> i have no idea how to do that
[08:32] <cellofellow> give me a minute
[08:32] <cellofellow> !galternatives
[08:32] <ubotu> galternatives: graphical setup tool for the alternatives system. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.13.3ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 28 kB, installed size 276 kB
[08:32] <cellofellow> use that
[08:32] <cellofellow> it's a graphical frontend
[08:32] <RandomDestructn> alternatives system?
[08:34] <RandomDestructn> oh neat
[08:34] <robert> ok
[08:34] <robert> now wat do i do
[08:34] <robert> i have java 6.0 webstart under network
[08:34] <robert> so it looks like that installed ok?
[08:36] <RandomDestructn> wait for him I have no clue :P
[08:36] <robert> lol
[08:38] <robert> wat does trhis do
[08:38] <robert> fakeroot make-jpkg jre-6-linux-i586.bin
[08:38] <RandomDestructn> bash: fakeroot: command not found
[08:38] <robert> yeah
[08:38] <robert> thats wat i got
[08:38] <robert> so wat is fakeroot supposde to be
[08:38] <RandomDestructn> fakeroot - Gives a fake root environment
[08:38] <RandomDestructn> who would have guessed
[08:39] <robert> uh
[08:39] <robert> so how do i do that
[08:39] <cellofellow> robert: once you've installed galternatives, run it and go through everything, and make sure that anything java points to the sun java. you'll be surprised how many things are java in there.
[08:39] <cellofellow> then, it should all work.
[08:40] <robert> yes it all points to java
[08:40] <robert> remember ,im noob at this
[08:41] <cellofellow> well, ok. really go through everything. some things with strange names point to java.
[08:41] <grazie> robert: is fakeroot installed?
[08:41] <robert> no
[08:41] <robert> wats that
[08:42] <grazie> !fakeroot
[08:42] <ubotu> fakeroot: Gives a fake root environment. In component main, is optional. Version 1.5.9ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 92 kB, installed size 376 kB
[08:42] <robert> oie
[08:42] <RandomDestructn> I didnt go through this when I installed java :/
[08:43] <robert> ok i gfot fakeroot
[08:43] <cellofellow> all I did was install and do the alternatives thing.
[08:43] <robert> now it says to do
[08:43] <robert> fakeroot make-jpkg jre-6-linux-i586.bin
[08:45] <soweto76> robert, apt-cache show fakeroot
[08:46] <robert> ok
[08:47] <robert> wont let me do
[08:47] <robert> fakeroot make-jpkg jre-6-linux-i586.bin
[08:47] <robert> /usr/bin/fakeroot: line 150: make-jpkg: command not found
[08:47] <cellofellow> you sure whatever you're reading is for Ubuntu?
[08:48] <robert> yes
[08:48] <soweto76> robert, dpkg -s make-jpkg
[08:48] <robert> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_install_JRE_v6.0
[08:48] <cellofellow> um, you should be all installed.
[08:48] <cellofellow> Java 6 works great here, and you've done everything I've done.
[08:48] <robert> Package `make-jpkg' is not installed and no info is available
[08:49] <soweto76> robert, apt-cache show sun-java6-jre
[08:49] <robert> ok
[08:50] <soweto76> robert, dpkg -s sun-java6-jre
[08:50] <robert> um
[08:52] <cellofellow> for the firefox plugin to work, make sure that /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/libjavaplugin.so is a symlink to /etc/alternatives/firefox-javaplugin.so and that /that/ is a symlink to /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-<IP_ADDRESS>/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[08:52] <robert> i wana make frostwire work!
[08:52] <cellofellow> it should now
[08:52] <cellofellow> if you alternatives are all set up
[08:53] <robert> i dont know how to work that
[08:53] <ffxr> hi i have had to recompile alsa to get my sound card drivers working.. now i have a problem where ALSAMIXER doesnt remember any changes i have made after i reboot.. any clues?
[08:53] <cellofellow> so, you haven't used galternatives?
[08:53] <robert> OMFG it works
[08:53] <cellofellow> !java
[08:53] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre
[08:53] <robert> hahaha
[08:53] <robert> lol
[08:53] <robert> alright wow
[08:54] <cellofellow> use top to see if it's using the Sun or the GCJ jvm.
[08:56] <robert> did they add a fast forward option to frostwire?>
[08:57] <Lord_Maynoth_42> hello
[08:57] <Lord_Maynoth_42> eww
[08:57] <robert> hi
[08:57] <Lord_Maynoth_42> dont use frostwire
[08:57] <robert> y?
[08:57] <Lord_Maynoth_42> use shareaza via wine
[08:57] <Lord_Maynoth_42> hehe
[08:57] <robert> wth is that
[08:57] <Lord_Maynoth_42> shareaza is loads better
[08:57] <Lord_Maynoth_42> www.shareaza.com
[08:57] <robert> man i just got this working
[08:57] <RandomDestructn> !wine
[08:57] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[08:58] <Lord_Maynoth_42> it connects to gnutella1, gnutella2, edonkey, and bittorrent
[08:58] <Lord_Maynoth_42> all in one program
[08:58] <robert> oh
[08:58] <robert> wow
[08:58] <robert> thats conenient
[08:58] <RandomDestructn> I wouldnt use it for BT tho
[08:58] <Lord_Maynoth_42> yeah
[08:58] <Lord_Maynoth_42> me neither
[08:58] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I use utorrent
[08:58] <Lord_Maynoth_42> in wine
[08:58] <RandomDestructn> yeah Ive heard it runs well
[08:58] <Lord_Maynoth_42> shareaza is the fastest
[08:58] <Lord_Maynoth_42> though
[08:58] <Lord_Maynoth_42> for music
[08:59] <RandomDestructn> I get my music at 525k/sec through azureus just fine :)
[08:59] <Lord_Maynoth_42> loads faster than frostwire if you tweak the settings
[08:59] <Lord_Maynoth_42> hehe
[08:59] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I wish utorrent were open source
[08:59] <robert> wat speeds do u get for sheareza?
[08:59] <Lord_Maynoth_42> max for my connection
[08:59] <Lord_Maynoth_42> because I have it tweaked out
[08:59] <Lord_Maynoth_42> also
[08:59] <Lord_Maynoth_42> i set it up as a leacher client
[08:59] <Lord_Maynoth_42> so I download but share nothing
[08:59] <Lord_Maynoth_42> hehe
[09:00] <RandomDestructn> yeah I love people like that
[09:00] <Lord_Maynoth_42> lol
[09:00] <robert> its ppl like u that make the internet a bad place.
[09:00] <Lord_Maynoth_42> anwyho
[09:00] <robert> rofl
[09:00] <RandomDestructn> if only the internet had a /kick function
[09:00] <RandomDestructn> :P
[09:00] <robert> or /stab
[09:00] <robert> or /stab in the eye
[09:00] <Lord_Maynoth_42> does anyone here know the best way to remotely connect
[09:00] <Lord_Maynoth_42> to a windows box
[09:00] <Lord_Maynoth_42> from ubuntu
[09:00] <Lord_Maynoth_42> xubuntu
[09:01] <robert> when i click the "x" on a program, where does it go?
[09:01] <RandomDestructn> iunno rdesktop or something?
[09:01] <robert> it just dissapears
[09:01] <RandomDestructn> away
[09:01] <RandomDestructn> thats the close button
[09:01] <soweto76> on vacation
[09:01] <robert> ..
[09:01] <RandomDestructn> unless its one of those things that hides in the system tray
[09:01] <robert> wat
[09:01] <robert> it closes it?!
[09:01] <RandomDestructn> lolol
[09:01] <robert> wtf
[09:01] <RandomDestructn> you know, like in windows
[09:02] <robert> yes
[09:02] <robert> in windows when u push x
[09:02] <robert> u can bring it up again
[09:02] <robert> how do i do that here
[09:02] <robert> theres no tast bar
[09:02] <RandomDestructn> no, thats the _ button in windows
[09:02] <robert> noo
[09:02] <robert> even x
[09:02] <robert> it loads the program in task bar
[09:02] <RandomDestructn> sorry man, thats not how windows works
[09:02] <robert> and if u push x, it doesnt always close
[09:02] <robert> mm
[09:02] <robert> so x always closes?
[09:02] <RandomDestructn> oh sorry
[09:02] <emdash> i'd like to set up a chroot for the unstable branch
[09:02] <RandomDestructn> yeah the occasional program doesnt do that
[09:02] <RandomDestructn> same in linux
[09:02] <emdash> is there a wiki page that discusses this?
[09:03] <RandomDestructn> RandomDestructn> unless its one of those things that hides in the system tray
[09:03] <robert> so how do i organize myself if i ahve 1000 programs open?
[09:03] <RandomDestructn> minimise em, use different desktops
[09:03] <RandomDestructn> use taskbar
[09:03] <RandomDestructn> close 900 of them
[09:03] <robert> how do i minimize sometin to taskbar?
[09:03] <soweto76> or icon box -- right click on panel and add it
[09:03] <RandomDestructn> iunno what your screen looks like but _
[09:03] <RandomDestructn> on mine its the orange button :)
[09:03] <Halcy0n> Hey guys.  Is there some place that synaptic looks for proxy settings?  I can't figure out where this proxy is set in my home directory, but synaptic keeps trying to use it.  I'm trying to grep everything, but its going to take awhile :)
[09:04] <n-iCe> Hello
[09:04] <n-iCe> is correct notice %nick %s %d message ?
[09:05] <cellofellow> Lord_Maynoth_42: dunno if you got an answer to your question yet, but I use RealVNC.
[09:05] <soweto76> robert, right click on window title bar
[09:05] <robert> ..
[09:05] <robert> ok
[09:06] <robert> hide?
[09:06] <n-iCe> Who use xchat ?
[09:06] <robert> me
[09:06] <soweto76> hide is minimize
[09:06] <robert> oh
[09:06] <PuMpErNiCkLe> !chroot | emdash
[09:06] <robert> got it
[09:06] <ubotu> emdash: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot use this to build 32 bit environments on a 64 bit box
[09:06] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It covers all the basics, as well, though, not just 32bit on 64bit boxen.
[09:06] <n-iCe> robert,  do you know the option called "word completition" or something like that?
[09:06] <n-iCe> configuration >> advance
[09:07] <robert> yes
[09:07] <robert> wait
[09:07] <robert> for xchat?
[09:07] <n-iCe> yes yes yes
[09:07] <soweto76> n-iCe, tab
[09:07] <robert> no idea
[09:07] <n-iCe> soweto76,  ?
[09:07] <n-iCe> robert,  or what client do you use ?
[09:07] <soweto76> n-iCe, tab n-<tab>
[09:07] <n-iCe> soweto76, ... no
[09:07] <n-iCe> i'm not talking about that
[09:07] <n-iCe> that's nick completition
[09:07] <emdash> ubotu: thanks
[09:07] <ubotu> You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[09:07] <n-iCe> i want to know how can i use notice there
[09:08] <n-iCe> notice %nick %s %d message , but i can't use it, no idea how
[09:08] <emdash> oh
[09:08] <RandomDestructn> /notice n-iCe notice
[09:08] <n-iCe> but in the word completition how ?
[09:08] <emdash> i didn't notice the !thingy
[09:08] <RandomDestructn> where is this word completion?
[09:08] <RandomDestructn> I see auto replace..
[09:08] <n-iCe> that !!
[09:08] <n-iCe> sorry my xchat is in spanish
[09:08] <n-iCe> sorry
[09:08] <RandomDestructn> ah kk
[09:08] <n-iCe> auto replace how can i send it in notice the mssages
[09:09] <soweto76> command completion, perhaps?
[09:09] <n-iCe> in the first column "the word" in the secon one ? what i should use ?
[09:09] <grazie> ffxr: have you 'alsactl store' ?
[09:09] <RandomDestructn> what shortcut are you trying to make
[09:09] <RandomDestructn> you could make it replace nts with /notice or something
[09:09] <RandomDestructn> but that isnt saving much time
[09:09] <soweto76> macro
[09:10] <n-iCe> let em check
[09:10] <RandomDestructn> i dont think its the way to do it tho :)
[09:10] <ffxr> grazie: i get this when i do it wi no sudo.. alsactl: save_state:1280: Cannot open /etc/asound.state for writing
[09:11] <robert> ok now how do i close frostwire?
[09:11] <ffxr> i was thinkin it is permissions... somewhere...
[09:11] <grazie> ffxr: then add sudo :)
[09:11] <n-iCe> robert,  click in the x
[09:12] <robert> i know
[09:12] <robert> it goes to my taslbar tho
[09:12] <robert> it doesnt close
[09:12] <robert> lol
[09:12] <soweto76> robert, you can also Alt-F4
[09:12] <robert> same thign
[09:12] <ffxr> so grazie.. what does that comman do..? will i set sound levels in alsamixer and then use that command.. or once that command is issued will alsamixer always remember when i make changes...
[09:12] <RandomDestructn> file -> quit probably
[09:13] <Lord_Maynoth_42> anyone here know how to install the vnc viewer
[09:13] <Lord_Maynoth_42> for ubuntu
[09:13] <RandomDestructn> you mean taskbar or do you mean system try?
[09:13] <RandomDestructn> or whatever the sys tray is called in linux
[09:13] <soweto76> robert, is that the notification area?  right click on it then
[09:13] <ffxr> sudo apt-get install xvncviewer
[09:13] <robert> it doesnt fully exit
[09:13] <robert> it just gets minimized
[09:13] <n-iCe> i can't use it
[09:14] <Lord_Maynoth_42> how do I check what version that is
[09:14] <cellofellow> !xvncviewer
[09:14] <ubotu> xvncviewer: Virtual network computing client software for X. In component main, is optional. Version 3.3.7-12ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 57 kB, installed size 204 kB
[09:14] <cellofellow> is what I use
[09:14] <cellofellow> it doesn't show up in the menu for some reason
[09:15] <soweto76> robert, that might be the system tray or notification area -- not minimized indicator
[09:15] <n-iCe> RandomDestructn,
[09:15] <n-iCe> any idea how to use it ?
[09:15] <robert> oh
[09:15] <robert> so how do i completely close hte program?
[09:15] <RandomDestructn> how to use what?
[09:15] <soweto76> robert, right click on that icon in the notification area
[09:15] <RandomDestructn> sorry
[09:16] <robert> is notification area the bar at the bottom?
[09:16] <RandomDestructn> the like the system tray on windows
[09:16] <RandomDestructn> little icons
[09:16] <RandomDestructn> instead of big buttons with titles
[09:17] <RandomDestructn> http://qte.dk/fundanemt/site_graphics/projects/stofanet/stofanet-signon-notification-area.png
[09:17] <RandomDestructn> that bad boy
[09:17] <RandomDestructn> tho thats gnome
[09:17] <nxsoniq> hi
[09:17] <robert> yeah
[09:17] <robert> frostwire isnt there
[09:17] <robert> just gaim
[09:18] <grazie> ffxr: exactly
[09:18] <soweto76> I think the default system tray is on the top bar in xubuntu -- not sure - can't see your screen eh.
[09:18] <n-iCe> RandomDestructn,  auto replace
[09:18] <RandomDestructn> n-iCe, no idea
[09:18] <robert> its top right
[09:18] <nxsoniq> does anyone knows how to set up a SMC PCMCIA Card, the SMC2835W on xubuntu 6.06?
[09:19] <RandomDestructn> loading
[09:19] <soweto76> robert, right click on the frostwire icon -- what do you see?
[09:19] <ffxr> k thanks grazie fella : s)
[09:19] <RandomDestructn> I click close and its gone
[09:20] <grazie> ffxr: np
[09:20] <RandomDestructn> you sure you arent clicking minimise?
[09:20] <robert> i dont have a frostwire icon
[09:20] <RandomDestructn> I dont in the system tray
[09:20] <robert> it only appears on the bar at the bottom
[09:20] <RandomDestructn> it minimises to the taskbar
[09:20] <RandomDestructn> and closes when you click X
[09:20] <soweto76> n-iCe, are you trying to do something in xchat like you could in bitchx or some other program?
[09:20] <robert> i see maximize, show, shade, stick, send to
[09:21] <soweto76> no close?
[09:21] <robert> yes close
[09:21] <robert> doesnt do netin tho
[09:21] <soweto76> like, X Close
[09:21] <RandomDestructn> are you right clicking?
[09:21] <robert> yes
[09:21] <RandomDestructn> http://www.tech2u.com.au/training/tech2u/introcomp/images/button01.gif
[09:21] <robert> yes
[09:21] <RandomDestructn> I was talking about those :P
[09:22] <robert> yes
[09:22] <robert> :P
[09:22] <RandomDestructn> well it closes here
[09:22] <robert> it just minimizes
[09:22] <RandomDestructn> is it crashed?
[09:22] <robert> nope
[09:22] <RandomDestructn> I have no idea then man
[09:22] <robert> lmao
[09:22] <RandomDestructn> what about file -> close?
[09:22] <robert> same thing
[09:22] <robert> rofl
[09:22] <RandomDestructn> if all else fales, ctrl + alt + escape will kill it
[09:22] <RandomDestructn> press that then click on it
[09:22] <RandomDestructn> and its gone :P
[09:23] <soweto76> Ctl-Alt-Esc then stick the bugger!
[09:23] <robert> yes
[09:23] <robert> LOL
[09:23] <robert> wow
[09:23] <robert> i love the skull icon
[09:23] <RandomDestructn> yeah
[09:23] <RandomDestructn> thats one thing I really love about X vs windows
[09:23] <RandomDestructn> when you tell it to kill something, its just gone
[09:23] <robert> k im opening it agian
[09:23] <RandomDestructn> no waiting around for it to close
[09:23] <robert> yeah
[09:23] <soweto76> careful, it can also kill your desktop ;)
[09:23] <robert> really?
[09:23] <robert> omg
[09:23] <robert> lo
[09:23] <robert> ouch
[09:24] <RandomDestructn> also to learn are the linux equivalent of ctrl+alt+del
[09:24] <soweto76> careful where you click with that skull eh
[09:24] <robert> wats the equivalent of ctrl alt del?
[09:24] <robert> i tried it and it locked my desktop
[09:24] <RandomDestructn> alt-sysrq-b  immediately boots the system
[09:24] <soweto76> it works!
[09:24] <RandomDestructn> but there is a short list that youre sposed to do in series to make the shutdown safe
[09:24] <RandomDestructn> I'm trying to find the mnemonic
[09:25] <RandomDestructn> Emergency Reboot - Raising Skinny Elephants Is Utterly Boring
[09:25] <robert> lol
[09:25] <RandomDestructn> alt sysrq r
[09:25] <RandomDestructn> then alt sysrq s
[09:25] <RandomDestructn> etc
[09:25] <robert> i installed wine
[09:25] <robert> like the guy told me to
[09:25] <robert> to make shareza work
[09:25] <robert> and i have shareaza on my desktop
[09:25] <robert> so do i just use wine shareaza in terminal?
[09:26] <RandomDestructn> sure
[09:26] <RandomDestructn> should work
[09:26] <RandomDestructn> and when it goes to install, let 'er go in program files, it knows what its doing
[09:27] <robert> haha alright, thats wat i was afraid of
[09:27] <robert> dam wats the shortcut to show desktop?
[09:27] <soweto76> robert, BTW, you can cancel the skull/kill with a right click
[09:27] <robert> thx!
[09:28] <RandomDestructn> you can right click on your bar, and add a show desktop button
[09:28] <RandomDestructn> I dunno about a keyboard shortcut
[09:28] <RandomDestructn> I normally have a desktop that is empty
[09:28] <RandomDestructn> I just roll to taht
[09:28] <robert> oh
[09:28] <robert> so how do u access programs quickly?
[09:28] <robert> do u have a shortcut for terminal?
[09:28] <RandomDestructn> yeah
[09:29] <RandomDestructn> you can also alt+f2
[09:29] <RandomDestructn> I launch most programs by alt+f2 that arent on my panel
[09:29] <robert> oh wow
[09:29] <robert> can i remap that
[09:29] <robert> f2 is too far from alt
[09:29] <RandomDestructn> probably.
[09:29] <robert> can i make it windows key + r?
[09:30] <soweto76> RandomDestructn, How do you get your $PATH (like in .bash_profile) set up so that it works in xfrun?
[09:30] <RandomDestructn> soweto76, no idea man
[09:31] <sf_> anybody know how to get the debian menu (like you can have in ubuntu)?
[09:31] <soweto76> sf_, right click on desktop or add it to your panel
[09:33] <robert> ok i accidently closed my desktop
[09:33] <robert> with the ctrl alt esqw
[09:34] <robert> how do i start it up agian
[09:35] <robert> or how do i do a safe re boot?
[09:35] <atarinox> !samba
[09:35] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[09:36] <RandomDestructn> robert, you can just realaunch xfdesktop
[09:36] <RandomDestructn> just alt f2 and relaunch it
[09:36] <RandomDestructn> i think thats all that would be killed
[09:36] <robert> oh
[09:37] <robert> and how bout the task bars?
[09:37] <RandomDestructn> oh iunno
[09:37] <RandomDestructn> just restart x :P
[09:37] <robert> mm
[09:37] <RandomDestructn> ctrl alt backspace kills x, but its a bit forceful
[09:37] <n-iCe> how can i use more than one command in xchat ? in one line
[09:37] <robert> lol
[09:38] <robert> can i just turn my comptuer off?
[09:38] <robert> or will that mess something up
[09:38] <RandomDestructn> ctrl alt backspace is better
[09:38] <RandomDestructn> itll restart x
[09:38] <robert> alright
[09:38] <sf_> soweto76: how do I add it to the panel? as a separate menu, do you mean? where's the menu file for it?
[09:38] <robert> wow that was fast
[09:39] <grazie> robert: you not thought about gtk-gnutella rather than wine+shareaza
[09:39] <robert> wats that
[09:39] <grazie> !gtk-gnutella
[09:39] <ubotu> gtk-gnutella: shares files in a peer to peer network. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.96.1-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 1982 kB, installed size 7016 kB
[09:39] <robert> mm
[09:39] <RandomDestructn> haha
[09:39] <RandomDestructn> youre going to have every p2p app ever installed by the end of the day
[09:39] <RandomDestructn> btw you tried rtorrent? torrentflux?
[09:39] <robert> lol yes
[09:39] <robert> no
[09:39] <RandomDestructn> I like to run napster on wine
[09:39] <RandomDestructn> and uh
[09:40] <RandomDestructn> kazaa on wine.. I wonder if the spyware that it needs can run on wine
[09:40] <robert> shareaza connects to edonkey and gnutella
[09:40] <hyper_ch> grazie: do you think I should put /var /boot /etc into seperate partitions? so far I only have one for /home
[09:41] <grazie> shareaza also has spyware
[09:41] <RandomDestructn> I think / should have its own partition
[09:41] <RandomDestructn> I love running shit like that on wine
[09:41] <robert> uhh
[09:41] <RandomDestructn> I tried running that 'install linux from windows' program on wine
[09:41] <robert> lol
[09:41] <robert> how do i run shareaza via wine?
[09:41] <robert> wats the name of the exe?
[09:41] <grazie> hyper_ch: I have extra separate /boot partition...depends a lot on the distro I think
[09:41] <RandomDestructn> you installed it?
[09:42] <robert> yes
[09:42] <RandomDestructn> if so its in .wine/drive_c/program_files
[09:42] <robert> o
[09:42] <RandomDestructn> or something like that
[09:42] <RandomDestructn> remember the dot means hidden
[09:42] <RandomDestructn> so you might need to show hidden files
[09:42] <RandomDestructn> if it works, just make an icon tho :)
[09:42] <robert> how do i show hidden folders
[09:43] <RandomDestructn> in thunar right click and go show hidden
[09:43] <RandomDestructn> in whatever youre using.. i dunno till you tell me what it is
[09:43] <robert> thunar
[09:43] <robert> k im in filesystem
[09:43] <RandomDestructn> excellent
[09:43] <hyper_ch> btw, I heard that MVM is able to sort of shut down the host system once the guest is booted... if that's true, that's really kind of cool and virtualbox should introduce that also
[09:43] <robert> i right click..
[09:43] <robert> no show hidden
[09:43] <RandomDestructn> I'm a big liar
[09:44] <RandomDestructn> ctrl + h
[09:44] <grazie> !mvm
[09:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mvm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:44] <RandomDestructn> I mixed up thunar and the file dialog boxes
[09:44] <robert> ctrl h?
[09:44] <RandomDestructn> yeah
[09:44] <grazie> hyper_ch: mvm?
[09:44] <robert> nothing
[09:44] <RandomDestructn> or view -> hidden files
[09:44] <robert> yes
[09:44] <robert> i checkd that
[09:44] <hyper_ch> grazie: its microsoft virtual machine - which my buddy claims is also free
[09:44] <grazie> k
[09:44] <RandomDestructn> then in your home directory there should be a dir called .wine
[09:44] <robert> oh its in home
[09:45] <grazie> !language | hyper_ch
[09:45] <ubotu> hyper_ch: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[09:45] <RandomDestructn> yeah I said .wine not /.wine ;)
[09:45] <robert> i still dont know the dif :P
[09:45] <hyper_ch> if m$ can make windows sort of shutdown once the guest has booted that's kind of interesting feature
[09:45] <grazie> hyper_ch: :)
[09:45] <RandomDestructn> if it starts with a slash it means from the root
[09:46] <hyper_ch> after having waited hours for downloading feisty herd 5 live cd I'm going to test it out now :)
[09:46] <hyper_ch> cya later
[09:46] <sf_> does anybody know how to get the 'debian' menu (like you can have in ubuntu, the one with practically every program in it)?
[09:46] <grazie> looks like the ppc feisty has been dropped :(
[09:47] <robert> how do i launch shareaza with wine?
[09:47] <robert> Fine
[09:47] <robert> no more shareaza
[09:47] <robert> how do i uninstall it?
[09:47] <robert> wait
[09:47] <robert> how do u get spyware for linux?
[09:48] <RandomDestructn> you run it on wine
[09:48] <RandomDestructn> heh
[09:48] <RandomDestructn> and hope it works
[09:48] <grazie> :)
[09:48] <RandomDestructn> its pretty tough Id imagine
[09:48] <Lord_Maynoth_42> can anyone help meh
[09:48] <Lord_Maynoth_42> ?
[09:48] <robert> lol
[09:48] <robert> k so how do i run exes
[09:48] <Lord_Maynoth_42> the latest version of the VNC viewer is not compat with the latest for windows
[09:49] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I can use the java viewer
[09:49] <RandomDestructn> $ wine omgwindows.exe
[09:49] <Lord_Maynoth_42> but its slow
[09:49] <robert> mm
[09:49] <grazie> Lord_Maynoth_42: what was that earlier about not sharing & caring?
[09:49] <Lord_Maynoth_42> LOL
[09:49] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I don't share copyrighted music...
[09:49] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I do share indy stuff
[09:50] <Lord_Maynoth_42> what little I have
[09:50] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I am too paranoid
[09:50] <Lord_Maynoth_42> about the riaa
[09:50] <Lord_Maynoth_42> etc
[09:50] <RandomDestructn> move to canada
[09:50] <RandomDestructn> its better up here
[09:50] <robert> haha
[09:50] <RandomDestructn> :)
[09:50] <robert> true taht
[09:50] <Lord_Maynoth_42> yeah I am tryin
[09:51] <Lord_Maynoth_42> but I am waiting to go to jail because a friend ditched his weed under my car seet and forgot to tell me about it
[09:51] <Lord_Maynoth_42> maybe in 5 years
[09:51] <robert> lol
[09:51] <RandomDestructn> you got searched?
[09:51] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I can get up there
[09:51] <Lord_Maynoth_42> yeah
[09:51] <robert> how do i change directory to a hidden folder in terminal?
[09:51] <RandomDestructn> bad luck
[09:51] <Lord_Maynoth_42> no
[09:51] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I think it was a set up
[09:51] <RandomDestructn> cd .wine
[09:51] <RandomDestructn> ah
[09:51] <Lord_Maynoth_42> too many coincidences
[09:51] <robert> oh
[09:51] <robert> no /?
[09:51] <RandomDestructn> that really sucks then
[09:52] <RandomDestructn> slash means from the root of the drive
[09:52] <RandomDestructn> if youre in /home/robert
[09:52] <RandomDestructn> and did a cd /wine
[09:52] <RandomDestructn> it would try to go to /wine
[09:52] <RandomDestructn> but if you did cd .wine
[09:52] <RandomDestructn> it would go to /home/robert/.wine/
[09:52] <Lord_Maynoth_42> you just don't accidently for get an ounce of fruckin weed under your friends car seat when he gives u a ride
[09:52] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I got pulled over 100 yards from my house
[09:52] <robert> ty
[09:52] <RandomDestructn> wow
[09:52] <Lord_Maynoth_42> yeah
[09:53] <RandomDestructn> yeah Id say set up
[09:53] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I beat his ass
[09:53] <Lord_Maynoth_42> now im in trouble for that too
[09:53] <Lord_Maynoth_42> LOL
[09:53] <RandomDestructn> and you couldnt pin it on him?
[09:53] <Lord_Maynoth_42> the way the law reads
[09:53] <Lord_Maynoth_42> they don't care
[09:53] <Lord_Maynoth_42> im the evil one
[09:53] <robert> ouch
[09:53] <RandomDestructn> lesson from this? don't say yes to any search
[09:53] <RandomDestructn> ever
[09:53] <robert> best of luck
[09:53] <Lord_Maynoth_42> lol I didn't
[09:53] <robert> ok im in the shareaza folder in program files
[09:53] <robert> and i typed wine shareaza
[09:53] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I told them he would need probable cause
[09:53] <robert> but it doesnt work
[09:53] <RandomDestructn> if they forced it then its illegal and doesnt matter what they find :P
[09:54] <RandomDestructn> wine sharaza.exe
[09:54] <Lord_Maynoth_42> shareaza?  I went into my wine folder and found the program executable
[09:54] <Lord_Maynoth_42> and made a shortcut
[09:54] <Lord_Maynoth_42> for my desktop
[09:54] <RandomDestructn> thats what were trying to do here
[09:54] <robert> stlil get an error
[09:54] <Lord_Maynoth_42> oh
[09:54] <robert> X Error of failed request:  BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)
[09:54] <robert>   Major opcode of failed request:  1 (X_CreateWindow)
[09:54] <robert>   Resource id in failed request:  0x5d
[09:54] <robert>   Serial number of failed request:  13
[09:54] <robert>   Current serial number in output stream:  15
[09:54] <Lord_Maynoth_42> hmm... you using the newest wine 0.9.32 and shareaza 2.5.0?
[09:54] <robert> think so
[09:54] <robert> yes
[09:55] <robert> hmm
[09:55] <robert> k fine ill remove it
[09:55] <robert> and ill use amule for edonkey
[09:56] <robert> zomg i cant uninstall it
[09:56] <Lord_Maynoth_42> :c
[09:56] <Lord_Maynoth_42> im sry man
[09:56] <robert> wtf?
[09:56] <Lord_Maynoth_42> shareaza works great for me
[09:56] <robert> ..
[09:56] <robert> lol
[09:56] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I had some issues with the 2.3.0 beta
[09:57] <Lord_Maynoth_42> but I did crashlogs and helped the team debug it
[09:57] <Lord_Maynoth_42> they fixed it
[09:57] <Lord_Maynoth_42> in the newest version
[09:57] <Lord_Maynoth_42> or so i thought
[09:57] <robert> mm
[09:57] <robert> well i keep getting erros from wine
[09:57] <root_> now I got a problem
[09:57] <root_> why can't I make a 450 GB partition?
[09:58] <robert> nooo im stuck with shareaza :(
[09:58] <robert> and it wont work
[09:58] <RandomDestructn> dont have a 450gb drive? :)
[09:58] <hyper_ch> RandomDestructn: got a 500gb drive
[09:58] <hyper_ch> I selected the rest of the available drive for /home --> and it just assigned 17gb to it
[09:59] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I cannot wait until drives go solid state
[09:59] <Lord_Maynoth_42> (affordably so)
[10:00] <robert> thanks for all the help guys!
[10:00] <robert> brb in about 30
[10:04] <hyper_ch> ok, the partitioner is fucked up... what was that partitioner from a live cd called again?
[10:04] <RandomDestructn> gparted? fdisk?
[10:05] <hyper_ch> I think gparted has a liveCD right?
[10:05] <RandomDestructn> oh I thought you meant the one on the live cd
[10:05] <RandomDestructn> iunno
[10:05] <RandomDestructn> tho i did just download a boot disk that has like 4 partitioners
[10:05] <RandomDestructn> http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/
[10:05] <RandomDestructn> dunno if its any good tho
[10:05] <RandomDestructn> havent used it yet
[10:06] <RandomDestructn> make that 11 partition tools
[10:06] <hyper_ch> RandomDestructn: nope, I read in the forums that one partitioner has a nice liveCD... but I'll get that boot cd :)
[10:06] <hyper_ch> ok, I'm off again for a tiny bit :9
[10:11] <grazie> RandomDestructn: gparted is also available on it's own live cd
[10:14] <sf_> If anyone is interested, I figured out how to add the 'debian' menu. menu editor -> add external -> source -> "/etc/xdg/xfce4/desktop/menudefs.hook". (This should have been less annoying to figure out!)
[10:15] <RandomDestructn> and what does it have that the default menu doesnt?
[10:16] <grazie> familiarity?
[10:17] <sf_> lots of programs show up in there that don't show up in the normal menu
[10:17] <rmd_> okay i think this is a noob question
[10:17] <RandomDestructn> ah
[10:17] <rmd_> but i'm trying to make one of those fancy, shmancy transparent terminals at the bottom of my desktop
[10:17] <rmd_> but i can't turn the scroll bars off.
[10:18] <rmd_> oh, and i dont understand the geometry option and all that jazz
[10:18] <rmd_> sigh
[10:18] <RandomDestructn> if you want to use eterm I can show you my command line
[10:18] <RandomDestructn> kstart --skiptaskbar --skippager --alldesktops --onbottom Eterm -x -O --buttonbar no --scrollbar no --no-cursor  --geometry 51x25+2885+800 -f white -b white  --font-fx none --shade 30
[10:18] <rmd_> that helps a little bit, actually
[10:18] <rmd_> the --geometry option is the trickiest
[10:19] <RandomDestructn> mine won't fit on your screen I'm sure :)
[10:19] <rmd_> what's the 51x25+2885+800 mean?
[10:19] <RandomDestructn> widthxheight+distanceleft+distancedown
[10:20] <rmd_> distance toward the left or away?
[10:20] <RandomDestructn> so its a 51x25 window moved 2885 pixels to the right and 800 down from the top left corner of the screen
[10:20] <rmd_> ah gotcha
[10:20] <RandomDestructn> and those arent pixels actually
[10:20] <RandomDestructn> at 51 and 25 heh
[10:20] <RandomDestructn> those will be characters
[10:20] <RandomDestructn> cause it isnt tiny
[10:20] <rmd_> ah hah
[10:21] <RandomDestructn> also if you havent looked at it, conky can be pretty sexy
[10:24] <rmd_> what i'm looking at is a small termin window at the bottom in which to run commands
[10:24] <RandomDestructn> http://www.pithed.org/newscreen.jpg
[10:24] <RandomDestructn> theres what mine looks like
[10:24] <ffxr> still got sound problems : ie mixer settings arnt saving... i ahve an FAQ open in front me : @2. Check if the following files, or your distribution specific name, exist and are symlinks to /etc/init.d/alsasound (Debian - /etc/init.d/alsa):
[10:25] <ffxr> are /etc/rc0.d/K15alsasound & /etc/rcS.d/S59alsasound
[10:25] <ffxr> ubuntu specific?
[10:25] <rmd_> RandomDestructn, do you have a problem with xchat not performing true transparency?
[10:25] <RandomDestructn> yeah it doesnt work that way
[10:25] <RandomDestructn> itll look fine if you dont put anything behind it :)
[10:25] <RandomDestructn> true transparency is slow
[10:26] <rmd_> well yeah
[10:26] <rmd_> but it would be nice to have the *option*
[10:26] <ffxr> do u have compile xfce from source to get that true transparency working?
[10:26] <RandomDestructn> the compositor? nope
[10:26] <rmd_> ffxr, that's the built-in compositor
[10:26] <rmd_> it's available in xubuntu
[10:26] <rmd_> you just need to edit a file
[10:26] <RandomDestructn> but it wont make xchat just start using real transparency
[10:26] <robert> hello gain
[10:26] <robert> again*
[10:27] <rmd_> you use xfce *and* amaroK ?
[10:27] <ffxr> ohhh rmd_ i really should read things more carefully.... is it something you add to xorg.conf... ? whats them lines i add then.. i really should read things more carefully..
[10:27] <ffxr> i use xfce and amarok..
[10:27] <RandomDestructn> how could I not use amarok?
[10:27] <RandomDestructn> amarok is the only media player.
[10:27] <ffxr> Indeed RandomDestructn
[10:28] <RandomDestructn> nothing else even matters :)
[10:28] <rmd_> does AmaroK rip CDs?
[10:28] <RandomDestructn> nope
[10:28] <RandomDestructn> I use abcde
[10:28] <robert> does anybody know any good data recovery applications for linux?
[10:28] <RandomDestructn> or EAC
[10:28] <ffxr> it can if k3b installed
[10:28] <RandomDestructn> abcde because itll rip to multiple formats at once
[10:28] <ffxr> you can burn cd direct from amarok screen
[10:28] <RandomDestructn> eac to up to the one tracker I'm on where theyre picky
[10:28] <rmd_> ffxr, I don't want to burn.  I want to rip. :)
[10:28] <RandomDestructn> ffxr, neat I didnt know that
[10:29] <rmd_> what other kde stuff do you use?
[10:29] <RandomDestructn> k3b
[10:29] <RandomDestructn> kate occasionally
[10:29] <RandomDestructn> kdevelop once in a blue moon
[10:29] <ffxr> i like a lot of kde .. ktorrent, quanta, k3b
[10:29] <rmd_> i love mousepad
[10:29] <rmd_> what is quanta?
[10:29] <RandomDestructn> yeah I use mousepad all the time
[10:29] <rmd_> i use bittornado
[10:29] <RandomDestructn> it was open in my screenie
[10:30] <ffxr> web dev editor RandomDestructn
[10:30] <ffxr> like bluefish
[10:30] <RandomDestructn> what do I use?
[10:30] <RandomDestructn> iunno mousepad
[10:30] <RandomDestructn> dont do a lot of web dev
[10:30] <rmd_> ok, i've got this xfce4-terminal looking how i want, but i can't get it to the bottom of the screen, for some reason
[10:31] <rmd_> and i can't make it transparent from the command line, apparantly
[10:31] <ffxr> see this transparency thing.. is it that composite enable i add to the bottom of xorg.conf.. does it work ok with beryl...
[10:31] <RandomDestructn> I think it works fine w/ beryl
[10:31] <rmd_> okay got it to the bottom of the screen
[10:31] <RandomDestructn> when I run beryl my panel goes transparent anyway
[10:31] <RandomDestructn> also if youre placeing windows a lot rmd_ devilspie is a neat program
[10:32] <RandomDestructn> itll place windows where you want them automatically
[10:32] <rmd_> just this 1 window :)
[10:32] <RandomDestructn> then it would be overkill :)
[10:32] <ffxr> ahh.. nice m having a few beryl problems with AMD64 its really starting to melt..
[10:33] <ffxr> not mention this freakin sound problem.. everything was fine last nightr b4 i went to bed.. but i wanted my surroud sound to work.. & had to build my sound drivers from source..
[10:33] <ffxr> frustratring..
[10:34] <RandomDestructn> brb
[10:35] <robert> hello
[10:35] <robert> hi
[10:35] <robert> can u help me recover lost files?
[10:36] <ffxr> how have you lost them.. have you reformatted..
[10:36] <tuxcrafter> robert: I can only help you if it is reiserfs
[10:37] <robert> wats reiserfs?
[10:37] <robert> i lost them when installing linux
[10:37] <robert> i was installing xubuntu
[10:37] <robert> and it said i needed to do sometin to make my drive partionable
[10:37] <robert> so clicked OK, not reading the warning
[10:37] <robert> and POOF 180gb of data gone
[10:37] <robert> within 5 seconds
 and POOF 180gb of data gone
[10:38] <rmd_> robert, you should have done some reading.  i don't think there's much of anything to be done
[10:38] <RandomDestructn> that sounds bad
[10:38] <RandomDestructn> I did that with 300gbs a couple months back
[10:38] <robert> ouch
[10:38] <robert> u can recover files htough
[10:38] <robert> i just need a program
[10:38] <RandomDestructn> robert, what file system?
[10:39] <rmd_> robert, but you just re-wrote your partition table
[10:39] <robert> ntfs
[10:39] <robert> oh
[10:39] <robert> well
[10:39] <robert> see
[10:39] <RandomDestructn> oh if you only rewrote partition table then youre fine
[10:39] <RandomDestructn> just put a good on eback
[10:39] <RandomDestructn> assuming you know the sizes and such
[10:39] <robert> im not exactl sure wat happened
[10:39] <grazie> ffxr: I can give a couple of links for compositor
[10:39] <robert> i was trying to partition my hdd
[10:39] <grazie> ffxr: >> http://www50.brinkster.com/craziegrazie/XubuntuTransparency.html
[10:39] <robert> but it wudnt let me
[10:39] <ffxr> pls grazie  ...thanks my good man..
[10:40] <grazie> !compositor | ffxr
[10:40] <ubotu> ffxr: For instructions on how to enable the compositor in Xubuntu, please see http://www.xfce.org/index.php?page=documentation&lang=en#xcomposite
[10:40] <RandomDestructn> I just enabled my compositor
[10:40] <robert> and then i did something in linux to allow partitioning
[10:40] <robert> but it erased everytin
[10:40] <ffxr> grazie do u know if its ok with beryl?
[10:40] <rmd_> what were those programs you use to rip cd's again?
[10:40] <RandomDestructn> grip
[10:40] <rmd_> well yeah
[10:40] <RandomDestructn> or abcde <- command line, can do multiple formats at once
[10:40] <rmd_> but you mentioned something else
[10:40] <rmd_> multiple formats at once?  what's the benefit of that?
[10:41] <grazie> ffxr: I don't use beryl, but I suppose so
[10:41] <RandomDestructn> flac + mp3 or whatever
[10:41] <RandomDestructn> I normally use it so I can up 'em to torrent sites
[10:41] <RandomDestructn> people like variety
[10:41] <robert> so any programs for recovering data anyone can recommend me?
[10:42] <rmd_> i'll try out grip
[10:42] <rmd_> can it to ogg?
[10:42] <RandomDestructn> think so
[10:42] <RandomDestructn> I use abcde for oghg
[10:42] <RandomDestructn> ogg
[10:42] <RandomDestructn> but Im sure grip can
[10:42] <rmd_> i guess it would help if i had some encoders installed
[10:44] <rmd_> i only see .wav listed in grip :-/
[10:44] <rmd_> oh wait
[10:44] <rmd_> dur
[10:47] <rmd_> there we go
[10:47] <rmd_> random, you've been most helpfu
[10:48] <robert> he is very helpful
[10:48] <rmd_> now then, what does everyone in here use for office apps?  openoffice?  koffice?
[10:49] <ffxr> wow thats pretty cool.. see the terminal true transparency.. is that as easy to do..?
[10:49] <robert> open office
[10:50] <ffxr> & why is the compositing option so hidden?
[10:50] <rmd_> i dont know why the option is hidden
[10:50] <moparisthebest> how can I change my resolution in xubuntu?
[10:51] <moparisthebest> I can change it in kubuntu but can't find it in xubuntu
[10:51] <rmd_> moparisthebest, settings => desktop settings
[10:51] <moparisthebest> there is no resolution option under that rmd_
[10:51] <moparisthebest> there is under display settings
[10:51] <rmd_> thats what i meant
[10:52] <moparisthebest> but it only gives me an option bewtween 800x600 and 640x480
[10:52] <moparisthebest> in kubuntu I can set it up to 1280x1024
[10:52] <rmd_> moparisthebest, if that's not accurate, you'll need to install the correct driver for your video card
[10:52] <emdash> hm
[10:52] <rmd_> really?
[10:52] <moparisthebest> Ive got the correct driver installed, thats what is strange :/
[10:53] <moparisthebest> so that is supposed to have all the valid option listed there then?
[10:53] <RandomDestructn> nah its your monitor that isnt set up right I'd assume
[10:53] <rmd_> i always sort of supposed so.  i've never had a problem with resolution or had to change mine... in all these years.  i guess i'm lucky.
[10:54] <RandomDestructn> you can always change resolutions in x by ctrl alt + -
[10:54] <RandomDestructn> but it wont give you anything not in that list, I dont think
[10:54] <ffxr> cant he just sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:54] <moparisthebest> its just 800x600 is killing me on this 19" monitor
[10:54] <RandomDestructn> 800x600 is pretty bad
[10:54] <moparisthebest> ctrl alt what RandomDestructn ?
[10:54] <RandomDestructn> plus or minux
[10:54] <RandomDestructn> ..i thought
[10:54] <moparisthebest> it isnt bringing anything up
[10:54] <RandomDestructn> what is it..
[10:55] <RandomDestructn> maybe they removed it?
[10:55] <RandomDestructn> I was sure thats what it was
[10:55] <robert> can anybody guide me with installing beryl on xubuntu?
[10:55] <moparisthebest> its easy robert
[10:55] <moparisthebest> let me link you, give me a second
[10:55] <robert> oh
[10:55] <RandomDestructn> easy if it works :)
[10:55] <robert> if i install it for xubuntu, will it install for ubuntu as well?
[10:55] <RandomDestructn> xubuntu is ubuntu
[10:56] <RandomDestructn> the only diff is that xubuntu uses xfce by default
[10:56] <RandomDestructn> ubuntu uses gnome by default
[10:56] <moparisthebest> 6.10 right robert ?
[10:56] <RandomDestructn> if you removed the xubuntu-desktop package and installed ubuntu-desktop, youd have ubuntu
[10:56] <lordmaynoth> hey guys
[10:56] <robert> yes
[10:56] <robert> i have both ubuntu and xubuntu
[10:56] <robert> im just saying
[10:56] <lordmaynoth> how do I see a list of whos in the room in xchat
[10:56] <moparisthebest> robert, http://wiki.beryl-project.org/index.php/Install/Ubuntu
[10:56] <robert> do i have to isntall beryl for both desktops?
[10:57] <moparisthebest> basically all you have to do is add the repository
[10:57] <moparisthebest> then install it with apt-get or synaptic
[10:57] <moparisthebest> and you are good to go :)
[10:57] <ffxr> this is a good straigtforward guide to beryl on edgy : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BerylOnEdgy?highlight=%28beryl%29
[10:57] <robert> does it support integrated gfx cards?
[10:57] <moparisthebest> Im going to restart and see if I cant fix this resolution thing, brb
[10:58] <rmd_> lordmaynoth, is there a blue arrow present on the upper-right part of your window
[10:58] <rmd_> ?
[10:58] <RandomDestructn> depends on the card I'd assume
[10:58] <ffxr> robert: do glxinfo | grep direct
[10:58] <lordmaynoth> i dont see one
[10:58] <lordmaynoth> :c
[10:58] <ffxr> at terminal : glxinfo | grep direct
[10:58] <lordmaynoth> ahh
[10:58] <lordmaynoth> ok
[10:58] <lordmaynoth> that was weird
[10:58] <rmd_> find it?
[10:58] <lordmaynoth> fixed it
[10:58] <lordmaynoth> well im jus stupid
[10:58] <robert> i did
[10:58] <lordmaynoth> LOL
[10:58] <robert> it works
[10:59] <lordmaynoth> ok
[10:59] <lordmaynoth> can u guys help
[10:59] <lordmaynoth> how do I change the function of the powerbutton
[10:59] <lordmaynoth> I remember there was an applet
[10:59] <ffxr> so your getting "direct rendering: Yes " robert? if you are just sudo aptitude install beryl
[10:59] <lordmaynoth> but I cannot remember what or where it was
[11:00] <emdash> has anyone here tried setting up a feisty chroot?
[11:00] <robert> ok
[11:00] <ffxr> right sound sound sound.. dont be getting distracted conal.. ; s)
[11:00] <emdash> i'm having some trouble configuring locales
[11:00] <grazie> ffxr: if you haven't already tried it this is a good guide to fixing sound problems >> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems
[11:01] <robert> ok
[11:01] <robert> but if i do thi
[11:01] <robert> will it work if i start my session in xubuntu and ubuntu?
[11:01] <emdash> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8458/
[11:01] <RandomDestructn> robert what do you mean
[11:01] <RandomDestructn> do you mean start a gnome session?
[11:01] <emdash> every time i try to run dpkg-reconfigure locales, i get that
[11:01] <lordmaynoth> :c
[11:02] <ffxr> yeah ve been looking at that.. grazie.. it seems the also wiki itself is more complete : )
[11:02] <robert> yes
[11:02] <robert> exactly
[11:02] <lordmaynoth> does anyone here know what applet controls the functions of the powerbutton?
[11:02] <robert> gnome vs xfe
[11:02] <lordmaynoth> i remember changing it
[11:02] <lordmaynoth> but I don't remember where it was
[11:02] <lordmaynoth> :c
[11:02] <RandomDestructn> robert, the way I have it installed you load if after x is loaded
[11:02] <RandomDestructn> so yeah, itd work the same in both
[11:02] <RandomDestructn> I run beryl-manager
[11:02] <RandomDestructn> and it kills the existing window manager and runs itself
[11:02] <robert> oo ok
[11:03] <RandomDestructn> and then my wallpaper disappears
[11:03] <robert> o0
[11:03] <RandomDestructn> and I have to restart x
[11:03] <RandomDestructn> *sigh*
[11:03] <RandomDestructn> brb
[11:04] <lordmaynoth> does anyone here know what applet controls the functions of the powerbutton?
[11:04] <rmd_> either grip failed me or amarok is failing me, because my .flac files have no metadate
[11:04] <hyper_ch> jesus... I currently have 6 hds running :)
[11:04] <robert> how can i add the repositories
[11:04] <robert> wget<EMAIL_ADDRESS>-O- | sudo apt-key add -?