[00:10] <RAOF> Heh. “I was very fed up with Ubuntu at the time anyway because our bug tracker once again exploded after the Ubuntu release.”
[00:10] <RAOF> *One* way of interpreting that would be “Ubuntu's mesa stack is terrible”
[00:10] <RAOF> The other way would be “Almost all of our users run Ubuntu” :P
[05:55] <mlankhorst> haha
[06:37] <mlankhorst> oooooh
[06:38] <mlankhorst> looks like we *might* have a patch for the touch bug, finally
[06:38] <tjaalton> i told the same last week
[06:38] <tjaalton> the patches are on the list now
[06:38] <tjaalton> it's still buggy on nexus7 though, but x86 is fine
[06:38] <mlankhorst> tjaalton: not that, some patch on top of that
[06:39] <mlankhorst> [PATCH] dix: call UpdateDeviceState() for emulated TouchEndEvents
[06:41] <mlankhorst> I'm testing now
[06:41] <tjaalton> where's that?
[06:42] <mlankhorst> oh he didn't send it publicly, http://paste.debian.net/4065/
[06:43] <mlankhorst> on top of the -v3 branch
[06:44] <tjaalton> oh there's v3 now
[06:44] <mlankhorst> it's a rebase of -v2
[06:44] <mlankhorst> but another patch is going to get added to it, make check is crashing
[06:47] <mlankhorst> [PATCH] dix: devices must have valuators before touch is initialized
[06:47] <mlankhorst> I guess that's the make check fix
[07:08] <tjaalton> i'm building it as well
[07:13] <starks> point of inquiry: will mesa be built with ilo?
[07:14] <starks> it's been really awesome as an experimental platform and it doesn't seem to get in the way of dri unless you set xorg.conf to use it
[07:15] <RAOF> ilo?
[07:20] <starks> RAOF, the new gallium stuff for i965
[07:20] <RAOF> Oh, yeah. That one.
[07:20] <tjaalton> mlankhorst: failed to build
[07:22] <tjaalton> starks: maybe for 9.2
[07:23] <RAOF> starks: What's particularly awesome about it? It seems harmless to enable, although unfortunately we no longer have the dri-drivers-experimental package.
[07:23] <tjaalton> we do, it's just empty
[07:24] <starks> i see potential for state trackers and gpgpu seems to be on the way. classic mesa is boring. you can't extend it and nothing hooks together. don't like how intel separates their opencl stuff
[07:28] <starks> maybe another day i'll share my findings, too tired and i need to pass out
[07:35] <mlankhorst> tjaalton: worksforme, but I'm stilll doing some analysis
[07:37] <mlankhorst> i mean it applies, it doesn't fix my issue :)
[07:37] <tjaalton> /home/tjaalton/xorg-server-1.14.1/build-udeb/dix/../../dix/main.c:361: undefined reference
[07:37] <tjaalton> to `dixFreeRegistry'
[07:37] <mlankhorst> oh that
[07:37] <mlankhorst> I don't build the udebs
[07:38] <tjaalton> yeah it only failed there
[07:38] <tjaalton> what's your "issue"?
[07:39] <mlankhorst> stuck mouse button if i double tap the dash icon on the nexus
[07:39] <mlankhorst> second time i start to drag the icon a little
[09:26] <tjaalton> hmm looks like the workqueue svg's don't update anymore
[09:26] <mlankhorst> yeah :/
[09:27] <tjaalton> probably time to move the hosting somewhere else
[09:28] <tjaalton> or the scripts
[09:31] <mlankhorst> moving to canonical hosting would be good
[09:32] <tjaalton> I was thinking somewhere else, so when a person leaves C. the scripts won't get deleted or otherwise become inaccessible
[09:33] <mlankhorst> well i dont think there is hosting at ubuntu.com for this kind of thing :/
[09:33] <mlankhorst> would be nice if I was wrong, though
[09:34] <tjaalton> i was thinking of alioth
[09:34] <mlankhorst> hm maybe
[09:40] <seb128> tjaalton, mlankhorst: you can put stuff on people.canonical.com/~platform
[09:40] <seb128> tjaalton, mlankhorst: that's where we host e.g http://people.canonical.com/~platform/desktop/versions.html
[09:40] <seb128> so it's not tied to one employee
[09:40] <seb128> it gives access to any platform team member
[09:41] <mlankhorst> how do you join platform?
[09:41] <tjaalton> seb128: that would work, but still needs some place to run the scripts
[09:42] <tjaalton> and iirc it's quite heavy so probably needs to happen on a personal machine after all
[09:42] <seb128> tjaalton, well, p.c.c is the box running versions (the script building the page I just show) and most of the ubuntu-archive reports (sru, mir, installability, component mismatch, etc)
[09:43] <seb128> mlankhorst, https://launchpad.net/~canonical-ubuntu-platform ... you should be in there through desktop team?
[09:44] <mlankhorst> yeah
[09:45] <tjaalton> oh it works via sdo
[09:45] <tjaalton> *sudo
[09:45] <seb128> tjaalton, right, "sudo -u platform -i" should work on the p.c.c box if you ssh to it
[09:45] <tjaalton> yuå
[09:45] <tjaalton> *yup
[09:46] <mlankhorst> if only I could remember my password there, heh
[09:46] <tjaalton> password? you need an ssh key iirc
[09:46] <seb128> you don't have a password
[09:46] <seb128> what tjaalton said
[09:46] <mlankhorst> the sudo command wants my password though
[09:47] <tjaalton> ah
[09:47] <tjaalton> not here
[09:47] <seb128> weird, maybe you are not in the right group or something...
[09:50] <mlankhorst> I'll ask internally, thanks
[10:25] <mlankhorst> seb128: porting_team was required :)
[10:25] <seb128> mlankhorst, you were not in there?
[10:25] <mlankhorst> nope
[10:25] <seb128> weird, I though that was automatic
[10:25] <mlankhorst> apparently not!
[10:25] <seb128> you managed to be added?
[10:25] <mlankhorst> yeah
[10:26] <seb128> great
[13:00] <tjaalton> oh bah, forgot UTC is -3h from EEST
[13:04] <mlankhorst> tjaalton: yeah it's late for me too, I sleep early nowadays so I'm in bed at 22:00 normally :/
[13:07] <seb128> tjaalton, mlankhorst: for what sessions is tht an issue? xorg plans are in 2 hours and hybrid graphic is at the same time tomorrow
[13:11] <tjaalton> actually hybrid is an hour earlier tomorrow
[13:11] <tjaalton> well they are best times available for me, can't complain anymore :)
[13:12] <mlankhorst> oh xorg moved?
[13:12] <tjaalton> no, hybrid
[13:13] <tjaalton> first it got cancelled due to a mistake, then we got a better (best) slot for it
[13:13] <mlankhorst> kind of weird to have xorg general and kernel lts stack in the same slot
[13:13] <mlankhorst> can one be moved?
[13:13] <tjaalton> the kernel one is for cloud
[13:14] <mlankhorst> ah
[13:23] <tjaalton> added a few Mir bits to the xorg bp
[13:23] <tjaalton> well, questions
[13:23] <mlankhorst> I can't answer those, we'd need RAOF for that, not sure if he'll show up though
[13:23] <tjaalton> there are other folks from the team attending, it seems
[13:24] <tjaalton> at least subscribed
[13:24] <tjaalton> if nothing else, we'll just add the questions as work items :)
[13:28] <mlankhorst> sure
[15:13] <mlankhorst> Sarvatt: join the uds hangout you slacker


[15:25] <shahriar086> Hi I cant log into ubuntu-wiki
[15:26] <shahriar086> and I am not sure whether it is a bug or something. Can anyone help me?
[15:26] <shahriar086> I have pasted the error over here
[15:26] <shahriar086> 'module' object has no attribute 'getSysPage'
[15:26] <shahriar086> If you want to report a bug, please save this page and attach it to your bug report.
[15:26] <shahriar086>     * Show debugging information
[15:26] <shahriar086>     * Report bug
[15:26] <shahriar086>     * Visit MoinMoin wiki
[15:27] <bhavi_> shahriar086, try through your open ID
[15:27] <bhavi_> shahriar086, try through your open ID
[15:28] <shahriar086> sorry my mistake
[15:28] <shahriar086> http://paste.ubuntu.com/35548/
[15:29] <bhavi_> shahriar086, Ok are you using Open ID?
[15:29] <shahriar086> humm it says if you need to click continue.. and it forwards me to login with launchpad account
[15:30] <bhavi_> shahriar086, login to your LP account and then try to login to wiki using open ID
[15:31] <shahriar086> ok bhavi_
[15:31] <Old_Soldier> :) it seems to me right after wiki updates you need a fresh login
[15:32] <Old_Soldier> erm upgrades
[15:32] <bhavi_> Old_Soldier, yup mate :)
[15:34] <shahriar086> thanks
[15:34] <shahriar086> I am leaving now
[15:35] <shahriar086> will come back to you if it does not work
[15:35] <shahriar086> bye


[10:08] <YoBoY> cjohnston, hi, can you give some links as examples of what you are talking about? help.uc is mostly a patchwork, it's hard to know which part you want to fix first :)
[10:32] <cjohnston> YoBoY: 12.04 install guide
[10:33] <cjohnston> getting ready to get on a plane, hopefully you can figure it out from that
[10:37] <YoBoY> well, the install guide is like an abandonned project, but to fix the theme, I think you have to work on the xsl files of the installguide project
[10:37] <YoBoY> https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/installation-guide


[09:39] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:41] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[09:43] <brobostigon> o/
[11:06] <HeartsOnPhlearn> So ebay s dot UK, right ?
[11:06] <HeartsOnPhlearn> http://archive.fo/d4m6a
[18:02] <daftykins> hmm a clients bank actually had them uninstall current Firefox and install an ESR version so they could keep using the banking service
[18:03] <daftykins> pretty damaging advice imo
[18:41] <penguin42> it's probably all they tested with
[18:44] <daftykins> oddly i can't even find any claim of 58 having trouble online
[18:54] <penguin42> what was the failure?  I'd had at least one bank that ran into cert issues from a symantec cert
[18:55] <daftykins> i was over for other reasons today, it was presented just in anecdotal form of "you updated Firefox and it no longer worked!" ... "blah blah, the bank had us install another" which ended up being an ESR
[18:55] <penguin42> nod
[18:55] <daftykins> the guy's 70 so i figured it futile to push for detail :D
[18:56] <penguin42> it's impressive they managed talking him through installing ESR
[18:56] <daftykins> i saw some weird USB card reader plugged in with some Barclays card plugged into it
[18:56] <daftykins> heh yeah i bet that was fun
[18:56] <penguin42> ah that's interesting, I've never had a chance to play with those
[18:56] <daftykins> their browser wasn't up to date before, because someone had installed windows onto a 60GB partition atop a 2009 iMac
[18:57] <daftykins> :D
[18:59] <daftykins> come to think of it they mentioned this person had them allow remote access
[19:00] <penguin42> in that case, I hate to think
[19:00] <daftykins> and i saw some really weird third party credential managing software that seemed capable of reading that card...
[19:00] <penguin42> I've heard of those cards before and I think standard Firefox has a plugin thing for it
[19:01] <daftykins> in fact the more i think about it, i wonder who phoned who to begin with
[19:01] <penguin42> you thinking it was a 'Hello, this is your bank, I see you're having problems accessing your account....'
[19:01] <daftykins> :D yeah
[19:01] <daftykins> mmm so ESR was probably needed to hang onto the old plugin format
[19:03] <penguin42> or perhaps that's the only version the guys who phoned had a hacked version of....
[19:09] <daftykins> i think i'll be visiting Barclays on Monday :)
[19:11] <daftykins> i'll be wiping it soon enough, i was exploring upgrades today - https://i.imgur.com/FzXdGHN.jpg
[19:11] <daftykins> lovely dust
[19:21] <daftykins> ok someone on the phone at Barclays fraud has no idea why someone'd ask for this, although he didn't seem to even understand the distinction between a browser and anti-malware software, so there y'go :)
[19:32] <penguin42> on a side note, did anyone see a power blip on Monday evening, a little after 7pm - it was enough here to knock one of our older digital clocks out and for me to see a flourescent light go fully out; I'm thinking it was interestingly close in time to the teeside substation going pop but I think it was slightly later
[19:36] <daftykins> just watched a video of that, cor
[19:49] <ali1234> you guys seen "mans crashed his beamer"?
[19:49] <daftykins> nope?
[19:50] <ali1234> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E46FVuYHkZg
[19:55] <daftykins> hrmm
[19:56] <daftykins> amazed there are folk who talk like that :P
[19:57] <ali1234> have you ever watched phoneshop?
[19:58] <daftykins> is that on broadcast?
[19:59] <ali1234> C4
[19:59] <daftykins> ah, yeah i don't tend to watch any broadcast
[20:03] <ali1234> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-ZYmoKD2nI
[20:10] <daftykins> yeeeeeeah that's not for me :D
[20:15] <Whoosh2u18> https://imgur.com/IdHG6Ho
[20:16] <daftykins> this is happening quite a bit now ^
[20:27] <daftykins> \o
[20:28] <TJ-> o/


[09:37] <derek[] > People, if you're using linux, please have a look here: http://derek.shorturl.com/temp/typeclarity_compare.html
[09:54] <klepas> derek[] : what OS do you run?
[09:54] <derek[] > I'm running Ubuntu 5.04, Gnome
[09:55] <klepas> okay
[09:55] <klepas> also take into considering that GNOME uses a different font renderer than KDE uses for example
[09:56] <derek[] > i see
[09:56] <klepas> therefore, noting that the upper example is "linux" is actually not really all that precise
[09:56] <klepas> it would be more accurate to write "GNOME
[09:56] <klepas> *"GNOME:
[09:56] <klepas> ack
[09:56] <klepas> can't spell this eve :)
[09:56] <klepas> also, GNOME runs under UNIX too, so you would get the same rendering
[09:57] <klepas> and finally
[09:57] <klepas> go to System -> Preferences -> Fonts and configure your fonts and their rendering how you see fit. :)
[09:58] <klepas> and one observation, "Is there a way to make the text render as crisp and fine (neatly kerned) as it looks on windows?"
[09:58] <klepas> what you're after is a actually a lack of a feature
[09:59] <derek[] > :)
[09:59] <derek[] > I know
[09:59] <derek[] > antialiasing
[09:59] <klepas> windows anti-aliasing is poor and therefore displays poorly
[09:59] <derek[] > when antialiasing is applied to smaller fonts, it looks 'blotted'
[09:59] <klepas> but yes, you can change rendering of anti-aliasing in the fonts configuration dialogue under GNOME
[09:59] <klepas> yes
[09:59] <derek[] > and I don't like it
[09:59] <klepas> because there are several areas which must not be blurred in a font
[10:00] <klepas> others may
[10:00] <klepas> at least with truetype
[10:00] <derek[] > ok, let me update the page
[10:00] <klepas> andyfitz can tell you a lot more about it (he does font design)
[10:00] <klepas> :)
[10:00] <derek[] > (and I did play with the font settings in gnome.. didn't help)
[10:00] <klepas> oh?
[10:00] <derek[] > also, note that the kerning is very bad
[10:01] <derek[] > bad kerning with antialiasing on small fonts can make it look horrible
[10:01] <klepas> yep
[10:01] <klepas> that is something you cannot fix under linux
[10:01] <klepas> because it's inbuilt into the fonts
[10:01] <klepas> and windows will have it too shortly (better rendering). iirc
[10:01] <derek[] > you mean antialiasing ?
[10:02] <klepas> yep
[10:02] <derek[] > damn :)
[10:02] <klepas> btw -> http://davyd.ucc.asn.au/images/gpl3-reloaded.jpg
[10:03] <klepas> :P
[10:03] <klepas> the GPL! Reloaded!
[10:03] <derek[] > klepas, refresh: http://derek.shorturl.com/temp/typeclarity_compare.html
[10:03] <klepas> featuring RMS and my arm
[10:04] <derek[] > ;)
[10:09] <klepas> derek[] : change your global gnome fonts (other than the monospace one) to bistream vera sans and then to size 8
[10:09] <klepas> :)
[10:13] <derek[] > ok
[02:50] <derek[] > Hi
[03:18] <derek[] > Hi
[03:18] <derek[] > How do you install a new ttf font in Ubuntu?
[03:29] <mhz> usually, with apt
[03:29] <mhz> or synaptics


[01:29] <kees> ogasawara: wheeee. 3.2 kernel just as I was needing features only in 3.2 :)  thanks :)
[17:36] <ralphcor> I'm on 10.10 so manually purging old kernels doesn't do a dkms clean-up.  I'd like to know the correct way of doing so.  https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dkms/+question/185568 hasn't really helped and Google knows little.  I thought a Launchpad Answer might help others Googling in future.


[23:03] <madhens> Hello!
[23:08] <jose> madhens: Hey - you might want to be aware that Community Council meetings happen on the first and third Wednesdays of the month, not every two weeks :)
[23:09] <madhens> Thanks Jose! Google Calendar did not pick that up. Have a good night!
[23:09] <madhens> I am gonna go make some dinner now. :)


[00:58] <james1138> Hello and Happy Holidays! Question about Claws-Mail and vcalendar plugin. Anyone managed to sync with Google Calendar?
[00:59] <lynorian> james1138, no I do not use that particular plugin
[03:22] <yomero> hello, i have a problem with lubuntu in my acer V5, after tried to use an epson scanner the updates stoped to work and is sending an error message
[03:23] <xangua> The error message you get is?
[03:24] <yomero> the details it says that the daemon died
[03:25] <yomero> it seems that the daemon died, it is exactly the message
[03:25] <xangua> What's the output of: sudo apt update
[03:26] <yomero> let me try the command
[03:27] <yomero> my software is in spanish and the message apears in spanish
[03:29] <yomero> https://thepasteb.in/p/mwh1BGNqjRMC5
[03:30] <yomero> I just pasted the message
[03:32] <xangua> You seem to add a lot of repositories manually
[03:33] <xangua> Or at least that would explain gpg keys are not added, or the line of one misses the release name
[03:34] <xangua> But I'm not sure you are supposed to use that Debian repository in Ubuntu
[03:34] <yomero> I do not have experience in Linux, just installed the epson scanner and a printer, at the beginning were working and stopped after some time
[03:35] <xangua> !addgpgerr | For the missed gpg keys
[03:36] <xangua> Mmm that didn't work
[03:36] <xangua> !gpgerr
[03:48] <yomero> in this case apears NO_PUBKEY 98017B5982EC0637, is that the key?
[03:49] <xangua> Yes
[03:51] <yomero> thanks, i will try
[03:54] <yomero> i have this error message:
[03:54] <yomero> gpgkeys: key 98017B5982EC0637 not found on keyserver
[04:05] <yomero> is there any way to uninstall the debian repository?
[04:58] <maskara> so i kept getting bootloader install fail when i install lubuntu and got frustrated ..would a redownload of my iso fix this? or is it a bug i have to deal with?
[05:00] <xangua> Boot-Repair - Community Help Wiki (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair) https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/tbXUYPgh/1482555603351187961433.png
[05:00] <xangua> This helped me
[05:02] <maskara> oh nice ty much lemme peruse that
[05:03] <xangua> This helped me in my very first UEFI install
[05:04] <xangua> For some reason couldn't install grub after 2 tries
[05:05] <maskara> thats the mode that u select when u make the usb with rufus no?
[13:14] <vileeasel> 0815 on Sunday EST
[16:10] <suncokret> when support time for some version of lubuntu expired, is it still possible to download versions of programs in synaptic which was available on support time?
[16:20] <xangua> Define support time, what release?
[16:22] <suncokret> i use 14.04 and i want to know if i want to add some program from synaptic after support time will i be able to add it
[16:22] <suncokret> support time for 14.04 is 3 years
[16:22] <suncokret> how you say for support time?
[16:22] <suncokret> :)
[17:18] <JohnDoe_71Rus> http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/
[17:24] <sleepyhead19> .
[17:27] <JohnDoe_71Rus> http://askubuntu.com/questions/91815/how-to-install-software-or-upgrade-from-an-old-unsupported-release
[17:27] <JohnDoe_71Rus> but they don't upgrade
[17:33] <suncokret> JohnDoe_71Rus, thank you
[20:05] <yomero> Hi, is there any way to do a kind of defrag
[20:06] <lynorian_> yomero not really nesecary
[20:06] <lynorian_> !defrag
[20:06] <yomero> I am receiving error messages regarding the health of the HD
[20:07] <lynorian_> yomero: defragging will not help
[20:07] <lynorian_> back up your data now while you still can
[20:07] <lynorian_> it is likely to cmpletely fail soon
[20:08] <yomero> so bad, well, thank you for your advice
[22:02] <swift110> hey all


[12:13] <beuno> jenda  :D
[01:09] <dev_> hello
[01:11] <dev_> is there any one ?
[01:14] <dev_> I am Amit Karpe from India
[01:14] <dev_> we want to do Marketing in India .
[01:17] <jenda> Hello
[01:17] <jenda> dev_: how can we help? :)
[01:19] <juliux> hi Vorian
[01:19] <juliux> Vorian, did you get your shirts?
[01:20] <Vorian> hello
[01:21] <Vorian> no shirts yet :(
[01:21] <juliux> hm strange
[01:21] <beuno> good morning-ish to everyone  :D
[01:21] <juliux> very strange
[01:21] <juliux> hi beuno
[01:22] <Vorian> hi beuno
[01:22] <Vorian> is there a way to track them?
[01:22] <beuno> hey juliux, I'm wearing one of your shirts now, they are very good quality
[01:23] <juliux> Vorian, perhaps, but i don't think so, i have all the papers in dresden but i am 600km away from dresden
[01:23] <juliux> beuno, good
[01:23] <beuno> hey Vorian, I finally got my hands on a system76 laptop  :D
[01:23] <Vorian> I saw your post! congrats!
[01:23] <Vorian> juliux, ok
[01:24] <juliux> Vorian, i will see what i can do
[01:24] <beuno> Vorian,  :D
[01:24] <juliux> beuno, are you still in spain?
[01:24] <Vorian> ty :)
[01:24] <beuno> juliux: yeap yeap, in madrid at the moment
[01:24] <beuno> where are you?
[01:24] <beuno> aaaah, sounds romantic
[01:25] <juliux> beuno, in hannover that is in the middle-north of germany
[01:25] <juliux> beuno, yes very romantic but it looks like i have job here;)
[01:25] <dev_> sorry I am back
[01:26] <dev_> We are a Cooperative in India .
[01:26] <dev_> We are ready to give official ir unofficial service
[01:26] <dev_> and support in India
[01:26] <dev_> we are going to start it in Pune City .
[01:27] <dev_> So to whome we must ask for more help
[01:27] <dev_> ?
[01:27] <beuno> juliux: cool, that internship?
[01:27] <juliux> beuno, jep, but i think i will get a job here in september;)
[01:27] <beuno> dev_: what sort of help are you needing?
[01:28] <dev_> Should we get any official permission for that
[01:28] <juliux> dev_, what kind of support you will do? free support or pay for support?
[01:28] <beuno> juliux: congrats
[01:28] <dev_> or We can start using Name , Logo
[01:28] <dev_> Or Where I should start my home work on this area ?
[01:28] <juliux> beuno, i haven't signed my contract here;)
[01:28] <dev_> We are intrested Pay support .
[01:29] <juliux> dev_, then please aks canonical
[01:29] <beuno> dev_: http://www.ubuntu.com/support/paid
[01:30] <beuno> jenda: did you manage to talk to jono the other day?
[01:31] <dev_> Or we want to Open Traaining Center for Ubuntu in India ?
[01:32] <jenda> yo
[01:32] <jenda> beuno: nope :/
[01:32] <beuno> dev_: you need to get in touch with canonical for these issues
[01:32] <beuno> jenda: we need a better trap then...
[01:33] <jenda> beuno: he didn't respond on that day. I did see him around later, but I wasn't sure if I should wait for you or not :)
[01:33] <jenda> beuno: so, next time, should I pounce on him even on my own? :)
[01:34] <beuno> jenda: I will be around more, but I guess if he's hard to get a hold of, then we should try and grab him at any time possible
[01:34] <jenda> cool
[01:35] <jenda> BTW, I talked to LarstiQ
[01:35] <jenda> about our little bzr thing :)
[01:35] <beuno> aaah, cool, and?
[01:35] <jenda> And discussed the file deletion.
[01:35] <jenda> Why didn't we use bzr pull instead?
[01:35] <jenda> (instead of revert)
[01:36] <beuno> jenda: because of possible conflicts, I don't think your father wants to have to do manual "bzr merge" or "bzr resolve mydocs/asjdfds/fsdf/sdas.doc"
[01:37] <jenda> quite likely :)
[01:37] <beuno> (asjdf is my atempt to emulate those neat caracters you have over there)
[01:37] <dev_> ok
[01:37] <jenda> ok, makes sense.
[01:37] <jenda> beuno: you mean ?
[01:37] <beuno> jenda:     :D
[01:38] <jenda> the slovakians also have , which nobody (even there) can pronounce right.
[01:38] <jenda> although half the Czechs have trouble with  as well.
[01:38] <jenda> It's considered a speech defect ;)
[01:39] <dev_> So who is official person to talk ?
[01:39] <beuno> jenda: I'm still trying to get that one right  :p
[01:39] <tsmithe> jenda, you failed at teaching me
[01:39] <tsmithe> :p
[01:39] <jenda> tsmithe: :D
[01:39] <tsmithe> hehe
[01:39] <beuno> dev_: as I said before, see http://www.ubuntu.com/support/paid and http://www.ubuntu.com/support/commercial/marketplace for more information
[01:40] <jenda> beuno: BTW, that Jill something isn't bad at all :)
[01:40] <jenda> Scott. Jill Scott.
[01:40] <beuno> tsmithe: that's because you didn't give jenda enough beer
[01:40] <jenda> :D
[01:41] <jenda> beuno: it was an online low-bandwidth course. No beer involved.
[01:41] <beuno> jenda, aaah, you listened!  cool, I really like her.  I still have to "process" your music, I'm still finishing getting my new laptop into shape
[01:41] <beuno> jenda: that doesn't mean tsmithe can't get beer delivered to you
[01:41] <tsmithe> hah!
[01:42] <tsmithe> jenda's an alcoholic, gotta cut down :p
[01:42] <jenda> beuno: indeed. All he has to do is say "Jenda, open door to balcony, lean out, grab bottle, come back in, close door, find nearest metal object, open bottle, drink"
[01:42] <tsmithe> hmm my hd is dead again.. refusing writes. appears to have been randomly mounted ro...
[01:43] <beuno> jenda: you should have that kind of information on your wiki  :D
[01:43] <jenda> heheheh
[01:43] <jenda> beuno: did you see my new wiki? :)
[01:43] <jenda> yes, I think you did.
[01:43] <beuno> tsmithe: I think Ubuntu adds a parameter in grub to miunt the HD as ro if it has errors
[01:43] <beuno> jenda: yes I did, very professional of you!
[01:44] <tsmithe> hrrmph
[01:44] <jenda> beuno: :D
[01:44] <dev_> thanks
[01:44] <tsmithe> oh it's back
[01:44] <tsmithe> it's weird - recovers after a time
[01:44] <tsmithe> nothing in dmesg
[01:45] <beuno> jenda: is the current backup setup still working properly?
[01:47] <beuno> tsmithe: does it recover after some time of running or after a few reboots?
[01:47] <tsmithe> some time of running
[01:47] <tsmithe> it's like the kernel does some kind of check that takes a time and remounts as rw
[01:47] <jenda> beuno: I damned well hope so ;)
[01:48] <jenda> beuno: he's at the country place now.
[01:48] <beuno> tsmithe: have you taken a peek at /var/log/syslog then?
[01:48] <jenda> beuno: BTW, both computers require pressing enter a few times after mounting /home
[01:48] <jenda> beuno: sometimes - sometimes they don't
[01:48] <beuno> jenda: if it does hold up, we can add those UI improvements we talked about
[01:48] <jenda> beuno: I think it might be because the computer needs user input to generate random data...
[01:49] <tsmithe> beuno, ooh good idea. /me goes to file bug
[01:49] <tsmithe> jenda, your photo! :p
[01:49] <jenda> tsmithe: :D
[01:49] <beuno> jenda: you shouldn't need random input to mount an encrypted partition I think...
[01:49] <jenda> beuno: well, that's the best guess I have ;)
[01:50] <jenda> pressing the enter obviously speeds the process up a lot.
[01:50] <jenda> if you press nothing, it takes anything between 1 second and more than 5 minutes (I never waited long enough)
[01:50] <beuno> jenda: are you sure it doesn't boot anyway, it just takes a but longer?
[01:50] <beuno> aah
[01:50] <beuno> that's it  :D
[01:51] <jenda> Whereas when you start pressing enter, it always starts within 3 seconds.
[01:51] <beuno> jenda: maybe take a look at the logs, something has to be complaining
[01:51] <jenda> I _did_ wait a bit over 5 minutes.
[01:51] <jenda> I'll do that... eventually :)
[01:51] <jenda> I have to translate like crazy now.
[01:51] <jenda> beuno: any idea who plays the piano with Jill Scott? :)
[01:52] <beuno> jenda: go for it, tea will keep you up for days
[01:52] <jenda> :)
[01:52] <jenda> beuno: it doesn't have the effect on me anymore :/
[01:52] <beuno> jenda: no idea, oposite to you, I'm always interested in who sings   :D
[01:52] <beuno> jenda: I should of left you the mate...
[01:52] <beuno> that would do the trick
[01:53] <jenda> well, that I am too :) but this time, the pianist is really owning them keys ;)
[01:53] <jenda> hehe
[01:53] <jenda> I'll be going to the tea house tomorrow with another friend, I might have some :)
[01:53] <beuno> jenda: which song?
[01:53] <jenda> the previous one on random :D
[01:54] <jenda> I didn't check.
[01:54] <beuno> hahah
[01:54] <jenda> But there were a few.
[01:54] <beuno> right
[01:54] <beuno> lemme just root into your computer...
[01:54] <jenda> beuno: fat chance ;)
[01:55] <beuno> jenda: if only I hadn't been distracted by all that tea...
[01:55] <beuno> you just kept on bringing new things, distracted me from hax0ring your laptop...
[01:56] <jenda> beuno: whenever I try a new band, I look for songs I know, just not by them. It works with jazz, because _everyone_ has a version of Summertime, and most authors have at least 5 songs which other authors play too... and that way, I can tell what makes the band special :)
[01:56] <jenda> :D
[01:56] <jenda> (the point being that Jill S. doesn't have any songs I know)
[01:59] <beuno> jenda: there are probably more songs out there I don't have, we should do some treasure hunting
[02:00] <beuno> but she does have an amazing voice...
[02:26] <jenda> beuno: the voice in that other song you asked was Lisa Hannigan.
[02:26] <jenda> beuno: Damien Rice was the male voice... however, it didn't sound very male to me :)
[02:28] <beuno> jenda: thanks, wrote it down, will search for her
[02:28] <jenda> I think she sings mostly country ;) But she has a good voice.
[02:33] <beuno> jenda: we'll see...


[04:59] <blahdeblah> FourDollars: ping - please join #canonical-sysadmin
[11:46] <pindonga> hi... I have a unit with a subordinate that is in 'agent-state: down'
[11:46] <pindonga> how can I recover from this? I want the agent to be back in state: started
[12:21] <apuimedo_> pindonga: destroying the relation and adding it again?
[12:21] <pindonga> apuimedo, thx for your reply... found the answer already
[12:21] <pindonga> I needed to restart the jujud-* services on the unit
[12:24] <apuimedo_> ok
[12:24] <apuimedo_> ;-)
[13:58] <apuimedo_> gnuoy: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14163687/
[14:00] <apuimedo_> ever encountered that with the openstack provider?
[14:00] <apuimedo_> I wonder if it is due to only the internal urls being available
[14:01] <apuimedo_> for nova, neutron, etc
[14:01] <apuimedo_> but it did create the VM, so I wonder why it can't access it then


[01:21] <psusi> so I have noticed that boot time is delayed due to friendly-recovery.service... it is conditioned on recovery being in the kernel command line, which it usually isn't so it doesn't run at all, but it is After=systemd-udev-settle.service and Before=systemd-fsck-root.service, so it delays fscking the root fs until after udev-settle, which takes quite some time
[01:22] <psusi> could this be resolved by splitting it into two services, one that is wanted by sysinit, and has the condition, and a second that has the ordering requirements, but is only Wanted by the first service, so if its conditions are evaluated early in boot and found to be false, won't pull in the second service at all, and thus its transitive ordering requirement won't be enforced?
[01:27] <sarnold> psusi: probably best to file a bug and add the tag systemd-boot, that'll get it to pitti's queue
[01:27] <psusi> filed bug, will add tag, thanks
[01:28] <psusi> are there plans to move to systemd for user session management ( instead of upstart ) and in the initramfs in wiley?
[05:04] <micahg> I'm hoping adequate was the last one to fix for perl to migrate from proposed, if not, I'll take another look later
[05:11] <pitti> micahg: oh, you fixed lintian? nice, thanks!
[05:11] <pitti> Good morning
[05:12] <micahg> pitti: good morning, it seems that the fix was in the new version in Debian, just undocumented, I figured to pull the pieces in and get perl migrated and then worry about merging
[05:19] <pitti> wgrant: do we have anything like build recipes for git already? I suppose not directly, but can that be faked with putting some shell commands into the recipe or so?
[05:19] <pitti> ah no, that's just bzr-builder commands
[05:20] <wgrant> pitti: No recipes for git yet (they're currently implemented as a bzr plugin), and you can't execute arbitrary shell commands.
[05:20] <wgrant> For some Git repositories you could register a code import to get them into a Bazaar branch, though.
[05:30] <pitti> wgrant: yeah, that'd be a fallback; I still need to mess around with the patches somehow, but I think that can be done in debian/rules too; I would mostly just need to change debian/source/format
[05:30] <pitti> ... and hope that I can get bzr imports of upstream and Debian packaging of systemd
[05:31] <wgrant> https://code.launchpad.net/~registry/systemd/master
[05:31] <wgrant> imports fine
[05:31] <pitti> nice!
[05:32] <pitti> wgrant: other question, PPA buildds have all non-ancient kernels as they are in VMs, right?
[05:32] <wgrant> pitti: Yes, the virtual builders are all trusty with vivid sbuild
[05:34] <pitti> wgrant: cool, thanks
[06:15] <pitti> micahg: "Jenkins Fixed - wily-adt-adequate" \o/
[06:15] <pitti> micahg: ah, so that missing pkg-config depends affect Debian too, right?
[06:17] <Unit193> Debian #787043
[06:23] <pitti> doko_: FYI, filed bug 1459526 and subscribed you
[07:04] <dholbach> good morning
[07:41] <dholbach> larsu, HAPPY BIRTHDAY! :-)
[07:41]  * dholbach hugs larsu
[07:41]  * dholbach hugs larsu
[07:41]  * dholbach hugs larsu
[07:41] <larsu> thanks dholbach :)
[07:41]  * larsu feels very hugged and hugs back
[07:42] <dholbach> :-)
[07:47]  * seb128 hugs larsu as well :-)
[07:48] <larsu> thanks :)
[08:15] <Laney> @pilot in
[08:16]  * dholbach hugs Laney
[08:17] <Laney> \m/
[08:17] <Laney> still have some procrastination to do first, but the intention is there
[08:17]  * Laney hugs dholbach back
[08:19] <seb128> Laney, let's see if didrocks let you some easy ones after his shift on tuesday ;-)
[08:20] <didrocks> seb128: I took them ALL! :)
[08:20] <seb128> hehe
[08:20] <seb128> Laney, you are out of luck there, sorry ;-)
[08:20] <didrocks> only hard ones remaining for Laney
[08:20] <didrocks> he deserves this! :p
[08:20] <Laney> I can take it!
[08:20] <didrocks> *challenge accepted*
[08:20]  * Laney starts from the bottom :-)
[08:20] <didrocks> ahah
[08:21] <pitti> I'm piloting tomorrow, don't just leave the sucky ones to me :)
[09:08] <doko> stgraber, known, however I'm still unable to find the issue. not seen in unstable, only in vivid/wily. last known working version is the 5.1 release candidate. for now, I would suggest removing the powerpc binaries
[13:44] <rbasak> infinity: around? I'm merging apache2. We've been carrying some changes you uploaded in http://launchpadlibrarian.net/124947541/apache2_2.2.22-6ubuntu3_2.2.22-6ubuntu4.diff.gz for a while. I have a suspicion these are not needed any more, but I don't know how to verify that.
[13:45] <rbasak> Why did we need cross build for apache2 anyway?
[13:47] <infinity> rbasak: Because it was on someone's list of "packages that should be cross-buildable".
[13:48] <rbasak> infinity: I think it's all bitrotted now anyway.
[13:49] <infinity> rbasak: What proof do you have for that statement? :P
[13:49] <infinity> rbasak: I should have forwarded that to Debian (and I thought I did), but there's no reason any of it would have suddenly stopped working.
[13:49] <rbasak> infinity: "Fix cross-building by passing DEB_{HOST,BUILD}_GNU_TYPE to configure" no longer adds the environment variables you defined to the configure line.
[13:50] <infinity> rbasak: Hrm, indeed, looks like some bad merges along the way.
[13:51]  * infinity looks at the whole source instead of the delta.
[13:52] <rbasak> infinity: I can re-fix the configure line blindly if you'd like me to, and continue to maintain the delta if you wish. I don't recall ever seeing a merge conflict so it's not particularly awkward. I don't see anything relevant from a quick glance at Debian BTS though.
[13:52] <rbasak> infinity: but if nobody wants it or is using it and it has rotted, maybe that's a reason to save us the trouble and drop the delta?
[13:52] <infinity> rbasak: It's not just the configure line.  Someone dropped pretty much my entire delta on a merge at some point.  Probably a blind "well, the hunks don't apply, drop 'em!"
[13:54] <infinity> rbasak: Oh, I guess that mpm/module bit got removed entirely...
[13:54] <infinity> rbasak: So, just maintaining the 'pass HOST/BUILD to configure' bit should be simple enough, but someone should probably test a cross build to see if it still works.
[13:55] <infinity> rbasak: Also a bit confused that debian/patches/086_svn_cross_compiles still applies, given how long ago I backported that from trunk...
[13:56] <rbasak> infinity: 086_svn_cross_compiles still applies> yeah - given it was upstreamed I'd expect it to have arrived by now
[13:57] <infinity> rbasak: Anyhow, bad merges notwithstanding, we shouldn't drop the configure bit.  I'll (re-)forward that to Debian, but not until after I've tested that it actually still crosses.  Which I might not get to today, but we'll see.
[14:02] <rbasak> infinity: OK. So for now, shall I fix the configure line and upload my merge?
[14:04] <rbasak> infinity: anyway, I'll do that. Fancy writing a dep8 test to test your cross to stop future rot?
[14:05] <infinity> rbasak: I'm not sure DEP-8 tests in every single package to make sure it crosses is the right way to track that. :P
[14:05] <infinity> rbasak: A cross-build farm that attempts to cross the entire archive and watch for regressions is the right answer, but needs some tuits of varying roundness.
[14:08] <rbasak> infinity: sure. You can do that instead if you like :)
[14:29] <pitti> stgraber: ça va !
[14:30] <pitti> stgraber: so I naïvely tried this:
[14:30] <pitti> lxc-create -n wily-ppc64el -t download -- -d ubuntu -r wily -a ppc64el
[14:30] <pitti> lxc-start -n wily-ppc64el -F
[14:30] <pitti> stgraber: and it fails; but ISTR that LXC had some clever "run under qemu" integration? how do I make that work?
[14:31] <stgraber> pitti: oh, you tried that on x86?
[14:31] <pitti> stgraber: yes, amd64
[14:31] <stgraber> yeah, not gonna work :)
[14:32] <stgraber> the only one that vaguely works is armhf and that's when using the good old ubuntu template
[14:32] <pitti> stgraber: ok; maybe I mixed that up with mk-sbuild or so? I know that we had some way of running a schroot or container or so under qemu
[14:32] <pitti> stgraber: ah, ok
[14:32] <pitti> stgraber: ok, so back to looking for a porter box I figure :)
[14:32] <pitti> (if only we had sensible schroots on them, but let's see..)
[14:32] <stgraber> qemu-user-static sort of works for armhf, so long as you don't use ptrace or netlink (which is already pretty restrictive)
[14:32] <stgraber> other arches tend to segfault earlier on
[14:32] <pitti> stgraber: no, just want to reproduce a build failure
[14:35] <pitti> $ sudo apt-get build-dep umockdev
[14:35] <pitti> AttributeError: 'apt_pkg.SourceRecords' object has no attribute 'Lookup'
[14:35] <pitti> meh, porter box hates me today
[14:36] <pitti> (and it builds fine under Debian)
[14:37] <LocutusOfBorg1> what did happen to the ppa builders? all "cleaning" state
[14:37] <LocutusOfBorg1> are they cleaning the room? :p
[14:39] <pitti> stgraber: ok, nevermind; abusing a temp container on the ppc64el CI machines; thanks for the explanation!
[15:22] <seb128> hum
[15:23] <seb128> what should we do when packages are blocked proposed migration on "Boottest result: Regression"
[15:23] <seb128> where the error is "EnvironmentError: Unsupported device, autodetect fails device"
[15:24] <seb128> e.g https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/wily-boottest-address-book-app/lastBuild/console
[15:24] <pitti> seb128: I think step 1 is to retry, step 1/2 yell at CI to fix it, step 3 to override
[15:24] <seb128> pitti, who in CI do you know?
[15:24] <pitti> seb128: ah, that would be "cihelp:" matter
[15:24] <seb128> thanks
[15:24] <pitti> seb128: just talk to the vanguard (they have rotational shifts)
[15:24] <seb128> pitti, thanks
[15:33] <Laney> @pilot out
[15:33] <Laney> oops!
[15:53]  * dholbach hugs Laney
[16:03] <LocutusOfBorg1> dholbach, do you think I have chances to get sponsored curl and cmake?
[16:03] <LocutusOfBorg1> I had some spare time to look at them
[16:03] <LocutusOfBorg1> :)
[16:04] <LocutusOfBorg1> (if you have free time I can do some merges in the next few days)
[16:06] <dholbach> LocutusOfBorg1, not right now
[16:06] <dholbach> I'm in meeting until 20:00 my time
[16:08] <LocutusOfBorg1> no problem at all :)
[18:27] <smoser> infinity, what needs to be done to make a vivid-netboot appear at http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty-proposed/main/installer-amd64/current/images/
[18:27] <smoser> and then ultimately at all arches and then -updates ?
[18:33] <zyga> ev: hi
[18:34] <zyga> ev: canonical irc is down for me
[18:34] <zyga> ev: have a look at the email I sent
[18:34] <infinity> smoser: I need to upload it.
[18:34] <zyga> ev: and if you want we can have a quick hangout if you have some questions but don't want to talk on irc
[18:35] <smoser> infinity, can you do that ? and to -updates even ?
[18:35] <infinity> smoser: I can't, since LP is broken. :P
[18:35] <smoser> oh yeah. that.
[18:35] <infinity> smoser: But yes, I had planned to finish it off this week.
[18:35] <zyga> oh, lp is down too?
[18:36] <sarnold> much of LP is down, among other services
[18:36]  * zyga takes note not to trip over those cables the next time
[18:36] <sarnold> irc.canonical.com was listed amont the affected services, but it has continued working for me and many others
[18:36] <sarnold> perhaps just new connections are affected, ldap lookups and so forth
[18:36] <zyga> sarnold: it doesn't work for me, so perhaps there's some round robin in the loop?
[18:37] <infinity> smoser: The proposed upload will probably happen this afternoon/evening, then like any SRU, it should get some validation before moving it to updates.
[18:37] <smoser> k
[18:39] <infinity> smoser: I'll subscribe you to the SRU bug, so you know when it's accepted, and can perhaps test an arch or two for me.
[18:48] <smoser> infinity, yeah. i can.
[21:03] <Unit193> So what would it take to get another ISO built from a seed?
[21:52] <zyga> how can I talk to is while the IRC is down?
[21:53] <Unit193> robert_ancell: Re: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pidgin/+bug/1295207 I've been running with those gst1.0 patches since posting my comment there, no crashes.  All else that would need be done is a patch for pidgin-sipe.  This would be a great effort in getting gst0.10 gone! ;)
[21:54] <wgrant> zyga: #canonical-sysadmin
[21:55] <wgrant> zyga: What issues are you seeing connecting to IRC?
[21:55] <robert_ancell> Unit193, is there a patch / branch for that?
[21:57] <zyga> wgrant: I want to add a record to the incident report
[21:57] <Unit193> robert_ancell: There is, I linked to the Fedora one, and it's been merged into the unreleased upstream 2.x branch (who knows when they'll release), and I have a mostly-merged .11 with it from March(?): https://launchpad.net/~unit193/+archive/ubuntu/test/+sourcepub/4862307/+listing-archive-extra
[21:58] <wgrant> zyga: You should still be able to connect to irc.c.c
[21:58] <Unit193> robert_ancell: Need to go now though. :3
[21:58] <robert_ancell> Unit193, ok
[21:59] <zyga> wgrant: I cannot, since wednesday
[21:59] <wgrant> zyga: Uh
[22:00] <wgrant> Have you reported this?
[22:00] <zyga> wgrant: I was super busy (demo day today) so I ignored the problem
[22:00] <zyga> wgrant: then this happened and I assumed it was the cause
[22:00] <zyga> wgrant: (no, I have not)
[22:41] <robert_ancell> Unit193, I can't seem to download your pidgin changes https://launchpadlibrarian.net/201273988/pidgin_2.10.11-1~vanir1~15.04.debian.tar.xz
[23:05] <Unit193> robert_ancell: Launchpad is/was having issues.
[23:10] <robert_ancell> Unit193, do you have the patch files? Can you attach to the bug report or send them to me / pastebin them?
[23:15] <Unit193> It's been a while, it's all now only on LP. :/
[23:15] <Unit193> I can refresh the Fedora one, but it applies with only offsets.
[23:16] <Unit193> Dang this is annoying.
[23:26] <robert_ancell> Unit193, I just pushed pidgin 2.10.11 so I just need a patch file that appies against that. The one from Fedora has some conflicts
[23:40] <wgrant> robert_ancell, Unit193: It should be working now.
[23:41] <Unit193> wgrant: Fantastic, thanks.  Yes it does now. \o/
[23:41] <robert_ancell> wgrant, works here, thanks!
[23:51] <robert_ancell> Unit193, your package doesn't seem to have any patch for farsight 0.2 - does that seem correct?
[23:53] <robert_ancell> ah, it is in the gstreamer1.patch. Sorry, missed that.
[23:58] <Unit193> robert_ancell: Right, not the best merge ever, but at the time I was doing a quick one to try it in a PPA.
[23:58] <wgrant> Launchpad should be completely OK again. Let me know if anything looks awry.


[21:12] <huayra> people
[21:13] <huayra> is anyone here alive?
[21:13] <huayra> I have some ideas on how to align our marketing efforts
[21:13] <huayra> and I really believe they might works as I am thinking both in the local and the global spheres of our community
[21:14] <huayra> 1. Our marketing should be cycle based (aligned with the Ubuntu release)
[21:14] <huayra>  2. We should be campaign focused (so people can work in the campaign they want and that they are most passionated about)
[21:15] <huayra> 3. Our structure should be focused on the local activities, while the centralized team should commit to deliver new campaign concepts and make material available, or at least make the material sharing platform a reality
[21:16] <huayra> Number 3. could be driven with a marketing site that is a resource for the campaign areas we have
[21:17] <huayra> I have seen this model in many NGOs/CSOs (Norwegian People's Aid, Changemaker, Greenpeace)
[21:17] <huayra> and it seems to me that it helps drive focus over time and the structure suits perfectly for activist such as the ubunter@s around the world
[21:17] <huayra> Thoughts?


[00:20] <DrGrov> Hello hello
[00:21] <DrGrov> Is there any good overview manual or such available for 14.04 LTS? I am curious to see what it will bring and whether I would update directly from 13.10 64-bit to 14.04 LTS.
[00:24] <jtaylor> it will basically just be updated versions of software
[00:27] <DrGrov> jtaylor: Okay. Thanks for the quick reply. I was wondering if there was anything big coming out that would speed up my switch.
[00:28] <jtaylor> that depends on what software your using
[00:28] <k1l> lts means focus on stability. no big changes.
[00:39] <DrGrov> jtaylor: k1l Ok Thanks
[08:06] <supauli> Hey: i had fresh 14.04 installation and i decided to give try to nvidia-331 (was: nouveau), doing that it ( i think ) broke my /etc/lightdm.conf, but i cannot find any other package to touch that file except 'lightdm' -- so i assume its some package script -- any suggestions how to find out what broke it really
[08:07] <supauli> it changed my session to unity-greeter -> not installed, im running kubuntu -> launching greeter failed and i was left with shell
[08:21] <soee> supauli: my lightdm also is broken
[08:21] <soee> i moved to kdm till its  fixed
[08:24] <supauli> i got it fixed by restoring the lightdm.com from /usr/share/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/40-lightdm-kde-greeter.conf
[08:24] <supauli> here fixed == i got it shown ok
[08:25] <soee> supauli: will try that
[08:35] <soee> supauli: your fix works nice :) thank you
[08:36] <supauli> i just would love to file a bug, but not sure what package caused this
[08:37] <soee> supauli: nor do i, it happend after upgrade nvidia drivers or after installing nvidia-prime for tests
[08:38] <supauli> same sympthoms, i'll make a bug, could you confirm it after don
[08:39] <soee> supauli: sure
[08:39] <supauli> uhh, i would really need to find what package caused it. apt-file shows no other shipping the /etc/lightdm.conf, so it must be some post-package scripts, and now i would need to find out how to 'grep' those ..
[09:06] <supauli> soee: See https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-331/+bug/1267442
[09:06] <supauli> Not mine but seems to be the issue
[09:07] <soee> supauli: yes this migh be it
[09:11] <soee> supauli: ok i posted short comment there
[09:11] <soee> and added kubuntu tag
[09:11] <elfy> soee: pita that was till I found what it did
[09:17] <supauli> soee: ya, me too, i looked at the installed packages and i think its the nvidia-prime preinstall script that does the file
[09:27] <soee> elfy: pita ? :)
[09:28] <elfy> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=PITA
[09:28] <soee> ah :)
[09:29] <soee> supauli: ok nice, hope now someone will take a look at this
[09:30] <elfy> I'd forgotten all about that - rarely use nvidia myself - and we've got a few issues with nouveau and xubuntu, so I tend to use that to follow those
[09:33]  * yofel reassigned that bug to nvidia-prime
[09:36] <soee> yofel: thanks
[11:44] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[11:50] <elfy> morning BluesKaj
[11:51] <soee> supauli: btw does the nvidia-prime works for you?
[11:54] <BluesKaj> hey elfy
[12:22] <supauli> soee: never tried, i dont actually know what it should do, i just apt-get install nvidia-331 for opencl-library :)
[12:23] <supauli> oh googling tells me: it should not work on my case, im running desktop without integrated graphics
[12:25] <elfy> supauli: Alberto Milone has pitched up at that nvida-prime bug now - I'd expect it to get looked at now
[12:30] <supauli> cool, i actually just posted some more info about my setup
[12:31] <elfy> yep - seen it :)
[12:32] <elfy> I'd have posted crash logs - but I never got far enough into it to do that :)
[13:45] <kblin> hi folks
[13:45] <kblin> how much of a minefield is 14.04 atm? :)
[13:51] <elfy> kblin: about the only real issue I've had is nvidia-prime assuming stuff - but I don't use ubuntu
[13:54] <kblin> so, there's only desktop install images at the moment?
[16:27] <ytrezq> Hello, What is the package to get ldap backend with bind?
[16:50] <kblin> hi folks
[16:52] <kblin> I'm trying to set up a crypted LVM that then will contain my partiotions, but I can't get multiple partitions on my /dev/mapper/sda5_crypt device. it seems like the partitioner automatically creates an ext4 partition that takes up all the space, and all I get to change is the filesystem type
[17:22] <elfy> kblin: to have the daily with xubuntu - choose xubuntu http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/308/builds
[17:51] <kblin> thanks
[19:26] <sruz25> I'm trying to wget urls in file, one per line, but when I do cat file | while read x; do wget $x;done it always tries to download url%0D instead of just url, when I replace whet with echo, there is nothing odd to bee seen, just my url. Any ideas?
[19:27] <trism> sruz25: wget has an -i option that can read urls from a file
[19:28] <sruz25> oh, ok, ty
[19:55] <kaimast> is anybody else having problems with current trusty? my audio and video (acceleration) broke. lightdm doesn't start anymore :/ have to enter the session manually using startx
[20:05] <roothorick> Ubuntu seems to connect to the lowest-channel AP in a multi-AP network, regardless of signal strength
[20:06] <roothorick> not sure exactly on what level that's happening so I don't know which package to apport against. Ideas?
[20:19] <_spm_Draget> Is there some release-plan for 14.04? I.e. when the kernel is settled, when the last features-patches may be subitted etc.?
[20:22] <jtaylor> sure
[20:22] <jtaylor> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseSchedule
[23:18] <huayra> hello there
[23:18]  * genii slides huayra a fresh beverage
[23:19] <huayra> thx genii :)
[23:19] <huayra> how stable is Trusty?
[23:19] <huayra> Im on 1304
[23:19] <genii> huayra: Overall, as a Kubuntu user on 14.04 I am currently very satisfied. As for other desktops, I could not remark.
[23:20] <huayra> Normally I go straight into LTS around this time
[23:20] <huayra> the experience is pretty good
[23:21] <huayra> but have not checked trusty yet...
[23:21] <huayra> so i wanted to know about general experience here :)
[23:21] <huayra> I run gnome-classic
[23:21] <huayra> couldn't take it with unity anymore


[04:54] <markc> I'm on xenial, is there a theme package to make libreoffice fit in with a hidpi plasma desktop?
[04:58] <DarinMiller> markc I am on xenial also and have a 15.6" 4K display; libre office looks very nice using default settings.
[04:59] <markc> DarinMiller: not here on a 1800p display, text is way too small and the gtk widgets are horrible.
[05:00] <DarinMiller> markc By chance are you running dual monitor with mixed dpi?  Dpi per display won't be fixed until wayland is fully functional.
[05:01] <markc> DarinMiller: I'm hooked up to a TV part time but mostly a single monitor. My fonts DPI is 228.
[05:01] <DarinMiller> markc I force my font dpi to 168 or 192.
[05:02] <markc> DarinMiller: firefox is mostly okay but if I go to 244 dpi then it seems to jump up to 3 times oversive instead of double size, which is bearable
[05:03] <DarinMiller> markc hmmm.  Even on my not so hidpi 24in monitor, everything looks good there too.
[05:03] <markc> DarinMiller: you must have 20/20 vision :)
[05:03] <DarinMiller> markc :) used too, but its fading slowly....
[05:03] <markc> DarinMiller: what theme packages do you have for gtk apps?
[05:04] <markc> I've got gtk3-engines-breeze on board and I think LO5 is gtk3 compat
[05:07] <DarinMiller> markc on the hidpi laptop, I use Breeze for both GTK2/3.  On my desktop, I am using the "default" theme for gtk3/oxygen for gtk2.  I installed xenail on my desktop before the new and improve breeze gtk themes were finished and I have not changed them to breeze.
[05:08] <DarinMiller> markc I think you are correct, LO5 is gtk3 compliant.
[05:10] <markc> DarinMiller argh! I didn't have libreoffice-kde installed... whew, that did the trick :)
[05:11] <DarinMiller> markc good to know ... chekcing if it that's part of the default on the daily install...
[05:12] <DarinMiller> As of Friday, lo-kde is auto included in the xenial daily iso.
[05:12] <markc> DarinMiller: I've been battling with xenial since about 15.11, goodness knows what state my desktop really is in, looking forward to a fresh install in a month
[05:14] <markc> DarinMiller: actually I did reinstall one alpha because it was too messed up to fix... brtfs is wonderful for that kind of thing
[05:14] <DarinMiller> markc I am using the xenial landing ppa on multiple machines and it's working very nice.  One machine is dedicated to all testing all PPA's and those even fix the telepathy google account issue.  But I don't recmmend the testing PPA for a stable daily driver.
[05:17] <markc> DarinMiller: I could never figure out the right ppa to use so now I just stick to *-backports and *-proposed
[05:20] <DarinMiller> backport does not apply to xenial since it is pre -release.   If you are adventerous enough to endure xenail alpha, I recommend the xenial landing PPA: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/ppa-landing
[05:23] <DarinMiller> The complete list of Kubuntu PPA's can be found here, but some of them are purely for testing so be prepared with ppa-purge installed ahead of time if you attempt any other PPA's: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa
[05:29] <markc> DarinMiller: thank you. Hmm, NO_PUBKEY 2836CB0A8AC93F7A
[05:30] <DarinMiller> markc Yes, some key changes are in progress across the repositories.  Known issue, assumed to be safe :)
[05:31] <markc> DarinMiller: I was going to say, maybe it's caught up in the weak rsa key business
[05:34] <markc> DarinMiller: updates... is therefore disabled by default... I'll comment out that line and wait a few days until the keys thing is sorted out
[05:35] <DarinMiller> markc: good plan
[06:54] <QualityAddict> Wow! Thank you! I've tried Kubuntu 15.4/10 and always end up with a crashing Plasma.  Tried again tonight and so far no crashes!
[06:54] <QualityAddict> I'm happy as all hell!
[07:03] <eva> o<
[09:05] <lordievader> Good morning.
[13:04] <bunt> I rent a VPS and must install MT4 to kubuntu. There is manual for install MT4 to Ubuntu. Is there a difference between Kubuntu and Ubuntu?
[13:18] <fionda08> ciao a tutti
[13:19] <fionda08> dopo 7 anni di Ubuntu  , la prima volta su kde
[15:15] <Draggin> Good afternoon. I've been struggling for two days with an issue on a Kubuntu 15.10 machine. At first, after the installation, the machine wouldn't start up properly and would essentially "boot into sleep mode", if that makes sense. I figured it might be an ACPI issue (old computer), so I added the acpi=off switch to the linux startup command, which sorted that issue. But since then, rebooting and powering down are an issue
[15:16] <Draggin> I've found other switches to add to the GRUB startup commands, one of which has allowed it to reboot (acpi=noirq), but thus far, nothing I've done can get it to shut down properly (including sudo shutdown -h now / sudo shutdown -P now). Any advice? Where else do I look?
[15:20] <DarinMiller> Draggin I can't think of anything except to review the dmesg file and google issues reported there-in
[15:21] <Draggin> DarinMiller: What should I look for in dmesg though? I've scanned it as part of my initial troubleshooting on this machine, and it's a terribly long file :D
[15:21] <DarinMiller> Draggin yesterday I "fixed" an issue that turned out to be BIOS related and was affecting my shutdow and sleep.
[15:23] <Draggin> DarinMiller: I'm kind of worried about it being BIOS related. I actually think there's a pretty good chance that it is. That's how I initially thought of the ACPI issue - was an error message reporting that there's an issue in the BIOS, that some or other timer wasn't connected to ACPI or something along those lines
[15:23] <DarinMiller> Draggin possibly some hw component that won't initialize or respond.  On my laptop, I was had mouse that would prevent booting until I updated to the latest kernel.  But given you have old hw, I doubt new kernel would address your issue.
[15:23] <Draggin> What was the issue that you were experiencing? And how did you "fix" it, DarinMiller?
[15:24] <Draggin> Kernel upgrade was the first thing I tried. Didn't solve any issues whatsoever. Computer was unresponsive.
[15:25] <DarinMiller> Draggin I downloaded the lasted BIOS update from Dell and that "fixed" my hardware init issues.
[15:26] <mrs_elena> 123
[15:26] <Draggin> Hmmm... Wonder if I shouldn't just do that... Could potentially save me hours... However - I've never flashed a BIOS from Linux. What tools do I need? Perhaps I should see if I can even find updated BIOS software first...
[15:44] <DarinMiller> Draggin only newer BIOS' from a limited number of manufactures support Linux BIOS updates.  My desktop (ASUS) supports direct dl to usb drive. For may laptop, I had to boot windows as Dell only supports a limited number of Linux BIOS updates.
[15:44] <Draggin> I think I'm going to be out of luck...
[15:45] <Draggin> This is an extremely obscure machine. A Sansui Style Note M54SE. Pretty old too. Would guess at least 8-9 years old
[15:45] <DarinMiller> In the past i have booted HW to a window install/repair CD and updated the BIOS from the repair command line. But, that has not worked for a couple of years.
[15:49] <Draggin> DarinMiller: I think it might all be more effort than it's worth. No guarantee that it will even fix my actual problem
[15:52] <dotblank> Whoa, installing asciidoc wanted to pull over !Gb in packages
[15:52] <dotblank> 1*
[16:09] <eehed> ф
[16:12] <eehed> How to change domain(my ip)?
[16:21] <eehed> 1
[16:21] <soee_> ?
[16:22] <soee_> ask your provider if you have static IP or retard router for dynamic IP
[16:25] <eehed> No. Some guys don't have IP in domain section
[16:25] <eehed> e.g. em: unaffiliated/emma (em)
[16:26] <eehed> or Exagone313: elou.world (http://elou.world)
[17:08] <D-rex> trying to update, getting error: This operation cannot continue since proper authorization was not provided
[17:08] <D-rex> but it never asks for password
[17:42] <darrell_> hi everybody
[17:43] <soee> hiho
[17:43] <darrell_> are this the place where I can talk with kubuntu devs?
[17:43] <soee> you need help or want to help ? :)
[17:43] <darrell_> not exactly
[17:44] <soee> this is support channel
[17:44] <darrell_> ah
[17:44] <soee> #kubuntu-devel is where devs are
[17:45] <darrell_> Is there in kubuntu something similar to Ubuntu MATE's forum category of developent discussion: A place to discus development related matters.
[17:45] <darrell_> ?
[17:46] <darrell_> https://ubuntu-mate.community/c/development-discussion
[17:48] <soee> well Kubuntu just packaging KDE softwere for Ubuntu
[17:48] <soee> if you want to talk about Plasma, Applications or Frameworks than they are KDE projects
[17:48] <soee> https://forum.kde.org/
[17:49] <darrell_> thank you
 D-rex, look in your task-bar. Perhaps the permission window is hiding behind another window
[18:08] <D-rex> telegram: I checked earlier it definetley isnt, as soon as I click the update button the error pops up
[18:18] <quade_> anyone online
[18:18] <quade_> hello
[18:20] <D-rex> hi
[18:20] <quade_> hi
[18:20] <quade_> I am using lubuntu
[18:20] <quade_> wondered if there was a way to run part of kde
[18:20] <quade_> with openbox
[18:20] <quade_> low resource desktop
[18:21] <quade_> thinking of adding all of kde ontop of openbox
[18:21] <quade_> as a session option
[18:21] <quade_> might be too extreme to try to build that on openbox
[18:22] <quade_> do you think it is possible
[18:22] <D-rex> anythings possible if you just believe
[18:22] <D-rex> haha
[18:22] <quade_> kwin is not high resource, but wondering if some resources could be shaved
[18:22] <D-rex> not sure man honestly
[18:22] <quade_> ah
[18:22] <quade_> thought i would ask
[18:23] <D-rex> just hang around omsone else might know
[18:23] <quade_> ah
[18:23] <quade_> yeah liked kde
[18:23] <quade_> just killed my cpu cycles
[18:23] <D-rex> go to their channel and ask
[18:23] <quade_> so I went to wm
[18:24] <quade_> what
[18:24] <D-rex> the kde channel
[18:24] <quade_> channel #kubuntu
[18:24] <quade_> ah
[18:24] <quade_> ok
[18:24] <D-rex> #kde
[18:24] <D-rex> telegram: this is screencast of error https://media.giphy.com/media/l2R0d5hIyGYT2ms48/giphy.gif
[18:31] <asadf> hi
[18:31] <asadf> When using testdisk is it writing sectors?
[18:46] <Bergie_> working?
[18:47] <Bergie_> anyone here that can help with fixing my graphics?
[18:48] <Bergie_> hi, I need help with my graphics.
[19:59] <doggypops> yesy
[20:03] <doggypops> hi
[20:18] <insidious> Anyone know how to auto hide the menu bar or disable it?
[20:18] <insidious> Running the latest version of "Kubuntu"
[20:22] <insidious> Does anyone know?
[20:23] <insidious> nvm
[20:23] <insidious> got it
[20:41] <Novell> Hey, anyone else experience b0rkage in 16.04 ? Getting undefined symbol _ZN8KWayland6Server29ServerSideDecorationInterface16staticMetaObjectE when trying to start kwin
 Sounds a bit like you are starting the wayland Version of kwin.
[21:51] <valorie> Novell: try asking in #plasma about that error message
[22:05] <Novell> valorie: I was thinking something is wrong with the build (for kubuntu)
[22:05] <Novell> and a kubuntu specific problem
[22:08] <valorie> I've not seen that error message mentioned by anyone else.....
[22:08] <valorie> but of course 16.04 is only in beta, so not actually supported here in this chan
 I had kwin die on me but I applied some updates and rebooted to it working