[03:12] <sn0> packages.ubuntu.com down ? or just me
[03:13] <Nafallo> sn0: yes :-)
[03:15] <sn0> Nafallo ok :]
[03:16] <Nafallo> sn0: there is however equivalent functionality in something we call launchpad... :-)
[03:17] <sn0> Nafallo thanks, im aware of launchpad, was just browsing flash versions for a friend :D
[03:17] <Nafallo> :-P
[03:17] <Hobbsee> or apt-cache madison
[03:17] <sn0> bloddy flash :p its evil
[03:18] <Nafallo> gnash? ;-)
[03:20] <sn0> i can't wait until gnash is a good replacement
[04:54] <psusi> iwj: got a second to discuss the new udev/dm/md stuff?
[04:54] <mjg59> psusi: 03:54 in .uk
[04:55] <psusi> ahh, he's uk eh?
[04:55] <psusi> anyone awake right now that knows much about it or is working on it?
[05:00] <psusi> BenC: maybe?
[05:07] <womble> Is there an Ubuntu equivalent of snapshot.debian.net?
[05:08] <persia> womble: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/<src-pkg-name> is fairly close, but not quite the same.
[05:09] <womble> persia: Not quite the same, but almost certainly close enough for my purposes.  Thanks.
[07:02] <pitti> Good morning
[07:02] <Hobbsee> hi pitti!
[07:02] <pitti> Good morning!
[07:03] <ajmitch> hey pitti
[07:04] <beuno> I'm about to release UWN, anything worth mentioning about Gutsy?
[07:09] <jmg> haha
[07:10] <fabbione> morning guys
[07:10] <ajmitch> morning fabbione
[07:11] <Hobbsee> hi fabbione
[07:13] <mneptok> arrr!
[07:13] <ajmitch> uh oh
[07:13] <fabbione> hmmm did we already switch gutsy to .22?
[07:13] <fabbione> as default i mean
[07:13] <crimsun> fabbione: no.
[07:13] <fabbione> ok thanks
[07:13] <pitti> fabbione: I saw several -meta uploads already, but at least on amd64 I still didn't get it yet
[07:14] <mneptok> Hobbsee: please. my girlfriend has already been hospitalized on this trip. :/
[07:14] <fabbione> pitti: neither did x86...
[07:14] <mneptok> (looooong story)
[07:14] <fabbione> mneptok: whops...
[07:14] <Hobbsee> mneptok: then you shouldnt have beaten her up!
[07:14] <mneptok> but all is well. the Romanians are taking *very* good care of us.
[08:16] <pitti> siretart, Riddell: wrt. http://merges.ubuntu.com/libt/libtunepimp/libtunepimp_0.5.3-2ubuntu1.patch, do we still actually need to keep the mp3 package separate? or can we move this stuff back to main?
[08:24] <mvo> doko_: I take the eject merge
[08:28] <crimsun> cjwatson: hi, do you know if the autosyncer is capable of running for universe but not for main?
[08:43] <doko_> mvo: thanks
[08:48] <Mithrandir> crimsun: hm, unsure.  I guess we could do that.
[08:48] <mvo> doko: hdparm, lshw too
[08:49] <Mithrandir> crimsun: why?  Want to continue syncing into universe long than for main?
[08:50] <crimsun> Mithrandir: yes.  We had a protracted discussion earlier regarding fixes not making it into Universe.
[08:50] <crimsun> (We-> in -motu)
[10:08] <jsgotangco> leut?
[10:09] <jml> dict.leo.org isn't helping me
[10:09] <jml> unless perhaps 'leute' is meant.
[10:21] <pitti> jsgotangco: 'Leute'
[10:21] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: brush up your french!
[10:21] <jsgotangco> *g*
[10:22] <highvoltage> I thought 'leut' is singular for leute :)
[10:22] <Treenaks> highvoltage: there isn't a singular for leute :)
[10:22] <Treenaks> afaik
[10:22] <highvoltage> aah
[10:25] <pitti> right
[10:26] <pitti> 'leute' == 'people', and like in English there is no singular
[10:26] <gnomefreak> person?
[10:28] <pitti> gnomefreak: yep
[10:45] <ajmitch> what's up with the buildds? they're all idle, and a number of packages are in 'needs building' state
[10:46] <Mithrandir> ajmitch: I'll take a look
[10:46] <ajmitch> thanks
[10:56] <Riddell> pitti: yes it needs to be separate, we can't have mp3 on the CD
[10:57] <pitti> Riddell: ah, ok
[11:21] <seb128> mjg59: do you think that your 20_mixer-applet_use_gstreamer_notify.patch could make the icon not being updated when the volume is changed?
[11:30] <Fujitsu> The binaries for qgis were all rejected (I presume due to this Soyuz crazyness)... What do I do about it?
[11:33] <seb128> Fujitsu: what crazyness?
[11:34] <ajmitch> seb128: stuff in needs building state for a few days, with buildds idle
[11:34] <Fujitsu> The buildds were doing strange things, and those binaries were rejected soon after Mithrandir said he'd take a look.
[11:34] <Fujitsu> I think they might be related, considering I've never had binary rejections before.
[11:34] <seb128> k
[11:34] <Mithrandir> Fujitsu: you read your bug mail. :-P
[11:35] <Mithrandir> Fujitsu: libqgis1 includes .so symlinks, please fix that.
[11:35] <Fujitsu> Oh, I see.
[11:35] <Mithrandir> they should go in the -dev package
[11:35] <Fujitsu> Just noticed that.
[11:35] <Fujitsu> Hmmmm... my changes from the Debian package are minimal.
[11:36] <Fujitsu> Mithrandir: My inbox gets read before bugmail, and I knew the buildds were being strange, so...
[11:36] <Mithrandir> I'm not saying it's your fault, just saying it's a bug.
[11:37] <Mithrandir> the buildds don't usually generate binary rejects, btw.
[11:37] <StevenK> No, the archive will.
[11:37] <StevenK> Well, Soyuz
[11:38] <Mithrandir> StevenK: it's called "rejecting out of the accepted queue", and yes, we've done so in the past.
[11:39] <Mithrandir> it's only insane when you do build-from-accepted.
[11:39] <Mithrandir> if you don't, it's not really a big issue.
[11:39] <Fujitsu> Do you normally check binaries?
[11:39] <StevenK> Sometimes I wish we did build from accepted, but given cron.daily runs hourly it isn't a huge issue.
[11:39] <Mithrandir> Fujitsu: yes
[11:40] <Mithrandir> StevenK: we're probably going to at some point.
[11:40] <StevenK> ajmitch: I can only recall Daniel Stone + XFree86 4.3
[11:40] <Mithrandir> ajmitch: it was used for a premature upload of a newer xorg versions, I've had it happen when udebs were first introduced.
[11:40] <ajmitch> that was what I was thinking of
[11:40] <Mithrandir> s/xorg/xfree86/, yes
[11:41] <ajmitch> uploading large packages is painful
[11:42] <StevenK> Try it on 256Kbit.
[11:42] <ajmitch> that's what I have for upstream at the moment
[11:42] <StevenK> Ah
[11:48] <slomo> are autosyncs not working anymore? i see at least one package that should've been autosynced since about a week
[11:49] <TimGroe> Hey, I don't know if this is the tight place to anounce this, but I have made a new system for building .deb files abit like checkinstall, but more ... structured
[11:49] <Mithrandir> slomo: they are, I just finished a run, why.
[11:49] <Mithrandir> slomo: as in, what package?
[11:49] <TimGroe> http://timg.ws/?p=20
[11:50] <slomo> Mithrandir: gnome-sharp2
[11:50] <TimGroe> It accepts a file like Frugalware's FrugalBuild or Arch Linux's PKGBUILD
[11:51] <Mithrandir> slomo: gnome-sharp2 |   2.16.0-3 |         gutsy | source
[11:51] <Mithrandir> isn't that the right version?
[11:51] <Mithrandir> hm, no -6 is current in debian
[11:51] <Mithrandir> [BLACKLISTED]  gnome-sharp2_2.16.0-3
[11:52] <slomo> weird... why is it blacklisted?
[11:52] <Mithrandir> caused something to blow up, but it's worky now; synced.
[11:52] <slomo> thanks :)
[11:59] <pitti> Riddell: hm, I'm still confused about libtunepimp -- it does not depend on anything except libtunepimp5; does it contain codecs? I thought it was just a lib for tag handling
[12:00] <Riddell> pitti: interesting, I'm sure it used to depend on libmad
[12:01] <pitti> Riddell: the source b-deps on libmad-dev, but there's no binary dependency
[12:03] <Riddell> pitti: ldd /usr/lib/tunepimp/plugins/mp3.tpp | grep mad
[12:03] <Riddell> pitti: it does need libmad, I think it just doesn't have a depend because shlibs doesn't find the library with the weird extension
[12:04] <pitti> Riddell: ah, so I should add that explicitly
[12:05] <Riddell> pitti: yes
[12:17] <TimGroe> will an OpenVZ-enabled kernel make it into Ubuntu ?
[12:18] <TimGroe> I am running one now on Ubuntu 7.04 (Linux kernel 2.6.20) and it runs a treat
[12:35] <Lutin> Adri2000: tu parles bien de "02:39 < Hobbsee> it may not have the sources, but the author is not evil"
[12:38] <Lutin> err.
[01:03] <dholbach> doko: do you have any idea what happens in  http://daniel.holba.ch/temp/pydbg ?
[01:05] <dholbach> doko: the current version is broken, so I'll upload the merged version (which is broken in the same way) - it'd be nice if you had a idea about this
[01:29] <Keybuk> You are not the bug assignee nor the maintainer of libtool (Ubuntu), and therefore cannot edit this bug's status.
[01:29] <Keybuk> err, wtf?
[01:29] <Mithrandir> you're not logged in?
[01:29] <Keybuk> aha!
[01:29] <fabbione> it seems like LP lost all autologin stuff
[01:30] <Keybuk> Mithrandir: bingo
[01:30] <fabbione> or chanced cookie or whatever
[01:30] <Mithrandir> it did that on friday or so.
[01:30] <fabbione> i noticed only today
[01:30] <Keybuk> several UI bugs in one go there <g>
[01:30] <Mithrandir> now that you're logged in, you should file them. :-P
[01:58] <Treenaks> Why?
[01:59] <Keybuk> APT claims there are no updates
[01:59] <Mithrandir> Keybuk: the buildds are borked.
[01:59] <Mithrandir> or the slave scanner, more likely
[01:59] <Keybuk> have you tried restarting it?
[01:59] <Mithrandir> yes
[01:59] <Treenaks> Keybuk: </IT Crowd>
[01:59] <Mithrandir> 2007/05/21 12:56 BST [-]  Job slave_scanner completed with exit code 1
[01:59] <Keybuk> this includes things that have been built
[01:59] <Keybuk> e.g. powertop, apt doesn't think it is in the archive
[02:00] <Keybuk> builds aren't making it into the queue?
[02:02] <Keybuk> psycopg.IntegrityError: ERROR:  duplicate key violates unique constraint "buildqueue__builder__unq"
[02:02] <Keybuk> ouch
[02:03] <Keybuk> ww too ;)
[02:04] <Mithrandir> somehow, I don't envy people subscribed to the error reporting mailing list.
[02:04] <Mithrandir> it's been mailing that list once every ten seconds over the weekend or so
[02:04] <StevenK> Woot
[02:04] <Fujitsu> Heheh.
[02:07] <Keybuk> *hugs* them
[02:09] <Mithrandir> there, cprov saves the day.
[02:18] <robertj> is https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/95460 a candidate for a fix in -updates?
[02:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 95460 in samba "samba 3.0.24 on feisty is broken" [Undecided,Needs info]
[02:18] <robertj> apparently some KDE util is b0rking every share it touches by adding invalid config options
[02:19] <StevenK> Mithrandir: Hrm. Did cprov just un-save the day? All of the buildds are idle again.
[02:20] <Mithrandir> yes, but Ng is saving the day instead.
[02:20] <Mithrandir> it was slightly more complex than we first thought.
[02:20] <StevenK> Ah
[02:37] <Hobbsee> hey all
[02:38] <Treenaks> hi Hobbsee
[02:38] <Mithrandir> hi Sarah
[02:38] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:39] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir!
[02:39] <fabbione> yo
[02:39] <Hobbsee> hiya fabbione :)
[02:40] <seb128> hey Hobbsee
[02:40] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: /me sees Hobbsee stomp the ground.
[02:40] <Mithrandir> s/Hobsee: //
[02:40] <Mithrandir> well, without typos, anyway.
[02:40] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:40] <Mithrandir> I'm levitating.
[02:40] <Hobbsee> oh really now?
[02:40] <Mithrandir> yeah, you should come see
[02:41] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: dont tempt me :P
[02:42] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: you could post pictures, at least
[02:42] <Mithrandir> do you realise how hard it is to take pictures of yourself levitating?
[02:42] <Mithrandir> it screws up my concentration
[02:42] <Hobbsee> take your pick.
[02:43] <StevenK> Neither of those is a garden implement.
[02:43] <StevenK> Ouch!
[02:43] <Treenaks> bashes, not pokes?
[02:43] <StevenK> That's going to bleed when my heart beats!
[02:44] <jsgotangco> the classmate just died
[02:44] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: they're both at home.
[02:44] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: ahh.  then find someone at the office?
[02:44] <Treenaks> or a random stranger off the streets?
[02:44] <Mithrandir> nah, can't be bothered.
[02:45] <Hobbsee> (hi seb128)
[02:46] <StevenK> Mithrandir: Has Ng saved the day yet?
[02:46] <StevenK> Hrm. I haven't seen Rails do that before.
[02:46] <Mithrandir> StevenK: yes, but I'm not sure whether soyuz now works by pure willpower or what.
[02:46] <Mithrandir> the last line in the log file says: 2007/05/21 13:11 BST [-]  Server Shut Down.
[02:47] <StevenK> Heh. Ng might just be running it through his head.
[02:47] <StevenK> Ah. The page I haven't seen before is Rails returning 500.
[02:53] <joebleaack> salut
[02:53] <Hobbsee> greetings
[02:53] <joebleaack> am si eu o mica intrebare poate ma poate ajuta careva
[02:53] <Hobbsee> in english?
[02:53] <joebleaack> k
[02:54] <robertj> pitti: whats the next step in the life-of-a-spec after it has been drafted? does it get assigned first or does it get a release target first?
[02:54] <joebleaack> i have an adsl connection to the internet but i ca't conect my ubuntu relese
[02:54] <shawarma> joebleaack: Try in #ubuntu
[02:54] <joebleaack> thru an adsl modem
[02:55] <joebleaack> #ubuntu
[02:55] <shawarma> Or #ubuntu-ro
[02:55] <pitti> robertj: usually assigned, since it's hard to predict feasibility without an assignee
[02:55] <shawarma> (I'm guessing you're Romanian?)
[02:55] <joebleaack> it is line
[02:55] <joebleaack> yep
[02:55] <shawarma> type:
[02:55] <shawarma> /join #ubuntu-ro
[02:55] <robertj> pitti: and low-priority specs need to find their own assignees I assume
[02:56] <joebleaack> well
[02:56] <joebleaack> haw can i setup my adsl modem
[02:56] <shawarma> joebleaack: Ask in the other channel that you just joined.
[02:56] <joebleaack> it is an alcatel stpeed touch 330
[02:58] <shawarma> joebleaack: Type "/join #ubuntu-ro", find the window for that channel and ask there. It's a Romanian ubuntu channel.
[02:58] <Hobbsee> joebleaack: this is not a channel for support.  please see the /topic
[03:09] <ssam> is bug Bug #109204 suitable for an SRU? it has a well tested small patch
[03:10] <Hobbsee> ubotu: wake up
[03:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wake up - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:10] <ssam>  Bug #109204
[03:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 109204 in gnumeric "Gnumeric strange colors (purple charts) on bigendian" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109204
[03:11] <ssam> Hobbsee, ubotu thought it was kernel bug for some reason
[03:11] <Hobbsee> weird
[03:11] <Hobbsee> ssam: looks like a good candidate for a SRU
[03:12] <ssam> Hobbsee, cool, do i need to pester someone for that
[03:12] <Hobbsee> !sru
[03:12] <Hobbsee> follow the ^ process
[03:12] <Hobbsee> !ping
[03:12] <ubotu> Stable Release Update information is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates for main and restricted, while https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU is for universe and multiverse.
[03:12] <ubotu> pong
[03:12] <Hobbsee> laggy bot.
[03:13] <ssam> do i need to be a dev to do it?
[03:13] <Hobbsee> no
[03:14] <Hobbsee> you'll need someone to sponsor your work though (which is why there is the ubuntu-universe-sponsors / ubuntu-main-sponsors)
[03:17] <ssam> thanks, it wont be until later in the week that i'll have a block of time to do this, but i'll give it a go.
[03:39] <TimGroe> has anyone had a chance to look at Easypkg?
[03:39] <TimGroe> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=450251
[03:45] <ion_> Onomatopoetic nicknames ftw.
[03:48] <StevenK> Oooh, shiny
[03:48] <Shiny> yes.
[03:50] <dholbach> doko: do you have any idea why https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-python/2.18.2-1ubuntu1 ftbfs?
[03:50] <dholbach> doko: (it worked nicely for me in a puilder)
[03:50] <pitti> BenC: hmm, where did /proc/version_signature disappear to?
[03:51] <Shiny> pitti: i ate it.
[03:51] <pitti> BenC: the current apport hook uses it to figure out the source package version; if it's gone for good, I need to change that
[03:52] <bddebian> Heya
[04:00] <pitti> BenC: hm, and it seems that the current 2.6.22 kernel dropped the core_pattern fixes
[04:05] <TimGroe> Hobbsee: A fellow Australian :)
[04:06] <TimGroe> lol, goto bed!
[04:06] <Hobbsee> yep :)
[04:06] <Hobbsee> it's only midnight
[04:06] <TimGroe> aha, I know :P
[04:06] <Hobbsee> and i didnt even leave work 2 hours ago..
[04:06] <TimGroe> :O
[04:06] <TimGroe> damn
[04:10] <BenC> pitti: Ah, yeah, I'm working on getting all our patches back in from 2.6.20 today
[04:10] <BenC> pitti: next upload this week will have them
[04:10] <pitti> BenC: ah, great; so it's known
[04:10] <pitti> thank you
[04:11] <pitti> BenC: btw, do you see a chance of getting them upstream?
[04:11] <pitti> (the two fixes to core_pattern behaviour)
[04:11] <BenC> pitti: I'll work on sending those out too
[04:14] <psusi> iwj: got a second to talk about the dm/mdm/evms/lvm/udev again stuff?
[04:29] <dholbach> doko: it seems gnome-python ftbfs because dpatch is broken somehow
[04:39] <cjwatson> crimsun: I tend to think that's a risky option (autosyncing universe but not main), as it increases the chance of ending up syncing only part of some transition or other from Debian - especially while Debian is in an unrestricted development phase
[05:25] <Keybuk> pitti: iwj is away this week, what's the issue?
[05:26] <\sh> doko, do you plan to add the gnu "d" (gcd) compiler to the existent gcc toolchain for gutsy?
[05:26] <pitti> Keybuk: aah, that was meant for psusi, I figure
[05:26] <Keybuk> err, yes
[05:26] <Keybuk> p<tab> loses
[05:26] <Keybuk> psusi: iwj is away this week, what's the issue?
[05:29] <pitti> Keybuk: set completion_amount=0
[05:32] <psusi> Keybuk: wanted to discuss udevlvmevmsagain spec, you familliar with it?
[05:35] <Keybuk> psusi: yes, pretty familar :)
[05:36] <psusi> ok... I have a bit of an issue with the part about ignore the kernel events, and make up your own
[05:36] <psusi> what's wrong with using the kernel events properly?
[05:37] <Keybuk> the apparent problem is that mdadm issues the add /block/md0 event before the array is usable
[05:38] <Keybuk> and that devmapper devices may also not be usable at the point the kernel event is emitted, since they might be transient as part of e.g. lvm snapshot creation
[05:38] <psusi> that's fine... udev should be able to deal with this by not doing its processing until the CHANGE event that makes it usable
[05:38] <Keybuk> the difficulty is determining at the point of the CHANGE event, whether it is usable or not
[05:49] <giskard> mjg59, Wakeups-from-idle per second :  1501.8 , a lot?
[05:49] <giskard> ;)
[05:49] <BenC> giskard: huge
[05:50] <bdmurray> joejaxx: ping
[05:56] <tkamppeter> pitti, Mithrandir, hi
[05:56] <slomo> yay, dpatch is broken
[05:56] <pitti> hi tkamppeter
[05:58] <tkamppeter> pitti, Mithrandir, I have sorted out the Ghostscript merger issues with Masayuki Hatta from Debian. We agreed on naming it ghostscript and I also got info about the C headers from upstream, so they are included in my new test packages, too.
[05:58] <joejaxx> bdmurray: yes?
[05:59] <pitti> tkamppeter: I saw you mails, thanks
[05:59] <pitti> tkamppeter: so the only issue left is now that upstream regression wrt. breaking PDF GUIs?
[05:59] <bdmurray> joejaxx: I saw a bug pertaining to ubuntu studio and ended up subscribing you to it.  Does that seem reasonable?
[05:59] <tkamppeter> pitti, Mithrandir, and Masayuki suggested to split the docs into an extra package. This saves 8 MB on an installed system, so we have more space on our ISOs.
[06:00] <pitti> tkamppeter: great!
[06:01] <cjwatson> about 3.4MB compressed
[06:01] <cjwatson> which is still not to be sneezed at of course
[06:01] <tkamppeter> Yes pitti, for now we can put the package only into Gutsy so that users can test around. As soon as the upstream bug is fixed, we should think about backports.
[06:10] <joejaxx> bdmurray: you should subscribe bugs to ubuntustudio-dev
[06:12] <bdmurray> joejaxx: sounds good
[06:29] <Keybuk> pitti, keescook: can you remember if there were any problems caused by devmapper spinning on devices?
[06:30] <keescook> Keybuk: I don't think so; but perhaps I'm unclear on when that would happen.
[06:30] <keescook> you're talking device creation spin?
[06:30] <Keybuk> right, at the moment devmapper spins until udev creates the device
[06:31] <keescook> only that sometimes it doesn't wait long enough in feisty.
[06:31] <keescook> (the lvm snapshot problem, as i understand it)
[06:31] <geser> pitti, Mithrandir: could you please accept vpnc for feisty-proposed?
[06:40] <Keybuk> keescook: I think that's a waiting for the wrong devices in the wrong order problem
[06:41] <keescook> ah, I thought the lvm snapshot issue was the something in udev was running vol_id on one of the temporary devices so that when lvcreate tries to delete the device, it find it still open and bails out
[06:41] <Keybuk> yeah, we have a fix for that now
[06:42] <keescook> oooh, what's the fix for that (since I still run into this issue)?
[06:42] <Keybuk> SuSE have a patch to dmsetup to make it export the status of a dm device in a format udev can enter into its info db
[06:42] <Keybuk> so we do that, and check ENV{DM_STATE}!="ACTIVE" :p
[06:44] <Riddell> bdmurray: can you do the sru-verification on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hwdb-client/+bug/91948 ?
[06:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 91948 in hwdb-client "[apport]  hwdb-kde crashed with UnicodeEncodeError in assemble()" [Medium,Fix committed]
[06:46] <keescook> Keybuk: ah, very nice.
[06:47] <bdmurray> Riddell: briefly reading the bug it seems that the key for reproducing the crash is non-ascii characters is that right?
[06:49] <Riddell> bdmurray: yes, just enter something non-ascii in one of the comment text fields and see if it crashes
[06:49] <pitti> geser: bug number?
[06:49] <bdmurray> Riddell: okay, I'll get to that soon
[06:50] <pitti> Keybuk: devmapper spinning on devices> no idea, sorry
[06:50] <geser> pitti: bug #93413, that's the one you tried to accept on friday
[06:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 93413 in vpnc "vpnc dead peer detection disconnects immediately" [Medium,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/93413
[06:51] <geser> it doesn't show up in LP and I asked Mithrandir to look after it, he said it's still in the queue
[06:51] <pitti> geser: not sure what you mean -- I did accept it?
[06:51] <pitti> hm, weird
[06:53] <pitti> geser: can you please add/update the tasks? is it fixed in gutsy?
[06:53] <geser> yes, I uploaded a the same patch ti gutsy already
[06:54] <geser> I opened a task for feisty but can't accept it
[06:54] <pitti> geser: oh, that's nasty -- as u-core-dev you should really be able to
[06:55] <geser> pitti: I'm only a MOTU, not core-dev
[06:55] <pitti> geser: hm, I cannot accept it either
[06:56] <pitti> mdz: hm, was it on purpuse that only ubuntu-drivers can accept bug tasks for stable releases now? that's really awful
[06:56] <pochu> geser: I can, and I'm neither core-dev nor motu :)
[06:56] <geser> pochu: open or accept?
[06:56] <pitti> I can only nominate, too
[06:56] <pochu> geser: go to launchpad.net/ubuntu/*feisty*/+source/package/bugnumber, and click on "Should be fixed on Feisty too"
[06:57] <geser> pochu: " Nominated  for Feisty  by Michael Bienia
[06:57] <geser> "
[06:57] <pochu> geser: which bug?
[06:57] <mdz> pitti: it's sort of a bug.  the same access controls are used for feature planning and bug targeting, which are completely different
[06:57] <geser> bug #93413
[06:57] <mdz> pitti: need to start a thread on launchpad@ to get it fixed
[06:57] <pitti> geser: anyway, accepted for real now; sorry
[06:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 93413 in vpnc "vpnc dead peer detection disconnects immediately" [Medium,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/93413
[06:57] <geser> thanks
[06:58] <pitti> pochu: heh, that is a nifty workaround!
[06:58] <pochu> hehe
[06:58] <pitti> geser, mdz: I was able to create a feisty task with ubuntu/feisty/..., click on 'also fix here'
[06:59] <pochu> pitti, mdz, geser: I opened the Feisty task on bug 103688
[06:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 103688 in liferea "liferea crashes - ** ERROR **: file itemlist.c: line 172 (itemlist_load): assertion failed: (NULL != itemSet)" [Medium,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103688
[06:59] <pochu> pitti: yeah, it is :)
[07:05] <pitti> dpatch has a bashism now or so?
[07:08] <pochu> pitti: I think dholbach has fixed it (or he has broken it :))
[07:08] <seb128> pitti: Daniel uploaded a fix for it some hours ago
[07:08] <seb128> pitti: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=425285
[07:09] <pitti> great, thanks
[07:14] <mdz> pitti: if you start the thread and CC me, I'll join in with my thoughts
[07:15] <pitti> mdz: will do, thanks
[07:19] <tkamppeter> pitti, what did you do with apport? Formerly, all Ghostscript crashes resulted in nice backtraces when one added the appropriate tags.
[07:19] <pitti> tkamppeter: since when is it broken?
[07:19] <pitti> and what happens now?
[07:20] <tkamppeter> Now in most cases the tag gets automatically removed but no retrace is posted. In other cases the retraces do not contain more information than the original bug report from apport.
[07:21] <pitti> tkamppeter: please retag the first group, there has been some trouble recently
[07:21] <pitti> tkamppeter: the second is probably due to obsolete versions, etc.
[07:21] <tkamppeter> pitti, strange is also that formerly, the poster of the retraces was "Apport retrace service" and now it is "Martin Pitt".
[07:21] <pitti> tkamppeter: I fixed the poster this morning
[07:21] <pitti> yay for random LP cookie changes :)
[07:22] <pochu> pitti wanted to get more karma :p
[07:23] <tkamppeter> I have now added comments to all these bugs that the users should grab the test packages of the merged Ghostscript, but no user answer so far.
[07:23] <bdmurray> Riddell: verification has been done
[07:27] <Riddell> bdmurray: goovy, now I just need to subscribe ubuntu-archive and hope someone will move it to -updates?
[07:27] <pitti> Riddell: no, just ubuntu-sru
[07:27] <pitti> Riddell: I'll look for verification-done tags and move them over on my archive days
[07:27] <pitti> see wiki page
[07:28] <pochu> BenC: seems like linux-meta depends on 2.6.20 yet.
[07:28] <pochu> emilio@kiko:~$ aptitude show linux-image-generic | grep Depends
[07:28] <pochu> Depends: linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic
[07:29] <pochu> BenC: am I missing anything? :)
[07:29] <Riddell> pitti: wiki page isn't very clear on point 5, it talks of ubuntu-archive
[07:29] <Riddell> pitti: but I'll leave it in your hands then
[07:30] <pitti> right, that might be misleading
[07:35] <tkamppeter> pitti, thank you, I have retagged these bugs.
[07:36] <pitti> tkamppeter: if it happens again with those, I can look into the logs about the reason for failed retracing
[07:36] <Riddell> pitti: adept apport notification patch at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept/+bug/113508
[07:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 113508 in adept "adept notifier still notifies kubuntu users of apport crashes" [High,Confirmed]
[07:37] <ogra-classmate> hmm, i wonder how a pbuilder oreforms on this thing
[07:37] <ogra-classmate> *performs
[07:38] <pitti> Riddell: looks good, bug updated
[07:40] <tkamppeter> pitti, now I got again a "** Tags removed: need-i386-retrace" with "Martin Pitt" as poster, on bug 115910.
[07:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 115910 in gs-esp "gs-esp has crashed" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115910
[07:41] <Keybuk> keescook: your dmsetup-fu is strong, right?
[07:41] <Keybuk> how do I make a simple devmapper device spanning a disk?
[07:42] <keescook> Keybuk: my lvm-fu is strong, dmsetup is just "okay".  :)
[07:43] <Keybuk> lol
[07:43] <Keybuk> I'm trying "dmsetup create foo --table "0 1024 linear /dev/hda 0" but just getting -EINVAL
[07:44] <tkamppeter> pitti, bug 115677 gives always a bad retrace, also with the second attempt,
[07:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 115677 in gs-esp "[apport]  gs-esp crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115677
[07:44] <keescook> In lvm, I'd do:  pvcreate /dev/sdb1; vgcreate bigvg /dev/sdb1; lvcreate -L$(vgs | grep -v VFree | awk '{print $NF}') -n biglv bigvg
[07:44] <keescook> I don't recommend using non-partitions
[07:44] <keescook> i.e. use hda1 not hda
[07:45] <Mithrandir> keescook: the last number is the size, you probably want to make that bigger.
[07:45] <Mithrandir> also, echo "0 1024 ..." | dmsetup create
[07:45] <tkamppeter> pitti, and all answers still with "Martin Pitt" as sender: bug 114999, bug 115677.
[07:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 114999 in gs-esp "[apport]  gs-esp crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/114999
[07:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 115677 in gs-esp "[apport]  gs-esp crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115677
[07:45] <Keybuk> Mithrandir: the man page says the last arg is the start sector
[07:46] <Keybuk> and echo still gives -EINVAL
[07:46] <keescook> Mithrandir: hm, mine shows the last param as "Free" size
[07:46] <Mithrandir> hmm, true
[07:46] <Mithrandir> echo "0 1024 linear /dev/sda 0" | sudo dmsetup create blat
[07:46] <Mithrandir> worked fine here
[07:47] <Keybuk> interesting
[07:47] <Keybuk> works fine on feisty for me too
[07:47] <Keybuk> maybe this devmapper is b0rked
[07:47] <Mithrandir> ok course, it's far too small, but it's there.
[07:47] <Mithrandir> this is gutsy.
[07:47] <Keybuk> yeah, I just merged devmapper
[07:56] <psusi> eh?
[07:56] <Keybuk> hmm
[07:56] <Keybuk> table: 254:0: linear: dm-linear: Device lookup failed
[07:56] <psusi> I merged it the other day but it's still waiting on a sponsor upload
[07:57] <Keybuk> psusi: did you test it?
[07:57] <psusi> you merged with debian and uploaded?
[07:57] <psusi> run test?  no.. just built it
[07:57] <tkamppeter> pitti, bug 115777 gives not more than "StacktraceTop:?? ()" as retrace, also with "Martin Pitt" as poster.
[07:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 115777 in gs-esp "[apport]  gs-esp crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115777
[07:57] <slomo> Mithrandir: please give-back mono on x86 and amd64 :) should build fine now that dpatch is fixed
[07:58] <Keybuk> psusi: the debian version doesn't seem to work at all with gutsy's kernel :-/
[07:58] <psusi> my merge product is attached to bug #115334
[07:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 115334 in devmapper "devmapper: new changes from Debian require merging" [Low,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115334
[07:59] <psusi> the debian version or the debian version plus the ubuntu changes?
[08:00] <Keybuk> just the debian version
[08:01] <psusi> ahh, yea... need our fixes methinks
[08:01] <psusi> try my version
[08:01] <Keybuk> which fix?
[08:01] <Keybuk> the only odd change was the one to ioctl/libdm-iface.c
[08:01] <Keybuk> and I couldn't find any rationale for that in the changelog, so assumed it was ian debugging
[08:02] <ogra-classmate> cdan anyone explain why my classmate unionfs / doesnt show up in mtab ? is that normal for unionfs ?
[08:03] <coastGNU> sabdfl: Who is responsible for canonical booth coordination at LinuxTag Berlin?
[08:05] <coastGNU> sabdfl: It might be a good idea to have a local ubuntu mirror at LT. Tolimar always did this on events for Debian in the past. This is a good idea to avoid traffic outside the fair lan.
[08:05] <psusi> Keybuk: which change is that?
[08:05] <Keybuk> +	task->major = dmt->major;
[08:05] <Keybuk> +	task->minor = dmt->minor;
[08:05] <Keybuk> that bit
[08:05] <psusi> no, that's important... check the comment above
[08:06] <Keybuk> which changelog corresponds to that?
[08:06] <psusi> we look up the device number after udev creates it
[08:06] <Keybuk> we do?
[08:06] <Keybuk> why?
[08:06] <sabdfl> coastGNU: good idea, we could also do Ubuntu On Tap (live cd boot over network, with installer for the brave)
[08:06] <psusi> because otherwise you don't know what it is?
[08:06] <Keybuk> I stripped out all the udev stuff from the package
[08:06] <psusi> ohh
[08:06] <Keybuk> this is a kernel-is-returning-EINVAL problem
[08:06] <sabdfl> coastGNU: doko *might* know who is going to be there, who is technical
[08:07] <psusi> it sounds like the kernel is saying it can't find /dev/hda
[08:08] <psusi> try giving it a partition instead of the whole thing... specifically one that isn't mounted
[08:09] <coastGNU> sabdfl: It also might be a good idea to have a list of canonical partners who are present at LT. E.G. In the past I often guided people from companies to LIVE members. We could also do so for canonical partners.
[08:09] <Keybuk> psusi: how weird, why can't it be mounted any more?
[08:12] <psusi> Keybuk: I'm not sure, but I think that the device mapper wants exclusive access to the underlying device... though that is entirely likely to be wrong
[08:13] <Keybuk> won't that break evms? :)
[08:14] <psusi> why?
[08:14] <Keybuk> it likes to make devmapper devices for every single block device
[08:15] <psusi> well, like I said, it is entirely likely I'm wrong about that... but it's worth a try to use an unmounted partition instead of the whole disk
[08:16] <psusi> also check if it said anything in your dmesg
[08:17] <psusi> it sure would make merging this thing easier if it used dpatch
[08:19] <Keybuk> that's up to Debian
[08:20] <Keybuk> brw-rw---- 1 root disk 254, 0 2007-05-21 19:18 /dev/dm-0
[08:20] <Keybuk> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root      7 2007-05-21 19:18 /dev/mapper/foo -> ../dm-0
[08:20] <Keybuk> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     10 2007-05-21 19:18 /dev/disk/by-id/dm-name-foo -> ../../dm-0
[08:20] <Keybuk> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     10 2007-05-17 22:36 /dev/disk/by-uuid/8447e94d-ec1f-4c2b-a161-ec2cff8717a7 -> ../../hda5
[08:20] <Keybuk> \o/
[08:20] <Keybuk> (also note how the devmapper device doesn't get to override the UUID from the raw device underneath)
[08:21] <psusi> there IS no uuid link for the dev mapper device
[08:21] <Keybuk> right, but there can be
[08:21] <psusi> and why is /dev/mapper/foo a link to ../dm-0?  that's wrong
[08:21] <Keybuk> it turns out that that is right
[08:21] <Keybuk> HAL prefers the devmapper devices to have their kernel names
[08:23] <psusi> why?
[08:24] <Keybuk> desktop crypto handling fu
[08:24] <coastGNU_> doko: Hi Matthias. sabdfl told me you *might* know who is resposible for the canonical booth at LinuxTag?
[08:26] <Keybuk> and the symlink solves another issue ;)
[08:26] <Keybuk> it means that devmapper can mknod() /dev/mapper/foo
[08:26] <Keybuk> at the same time as udev mknod() /dev/dm-0
[08:26] <Keybuk> and udev replaces the /dev/mapper/foo node with a symlink
[08:26] <Keybuk> (and if devmapper sees a symlink, there's no issue)
[08:27] <Keybuk> (since a stat() on that symlink will return a block device with the right dev_t)
[08:29] <\sh> can someone give me a clue to tell NM or avahi to not create an eth:avahi device?
[08:30] <psusi> I'd prefer to see the whole damn dm-0 go away entirely
[08:30] <Treenaks> \sh: uhr.. why?
[08:31] <Keybuk> psusi: any particular reason?  the kernel logs everything with that name
[08:31] <Keybuk> and the sysfs object has that name
[08:31] <\sh> Treenaks, just because if I  don't have an ethX connection (neither wired nor wireless) I don't want to have any network interfaces up
[08:31] <Keybuk> it's kinda kooky that it's missing on the disk
[08:31] <Keybuk> and we don't lose anything from having it
[08:32] <psusi> I dunno... I just don't like it ;)
[08:32] <\sh> Treenaks, problem is, when I start my cisco vpn over ppp0 the cisco ipsec device tries to bind itself on the first ethernet device which is up, which means, eth0 and not ppp0 e.g.
[08:32] <\sh> Treenaks, but I don't want to tell NM to disable the network completly
[08:33] <psusi> so why don't you have a uuid link?
[08:35] <Keybuk> psusi: why should it?
[08:35] <Keybuk> that uuid is already taken by /dev/hda5; and real block devices have a higher priority than devmapper ones
[08:36] <psusi> ohh, right... they would have the same uuid
[08:36] <Keybuk> yeah
[08:36] <Keybuk> new udev has device priorities
[08:36] <Keybuk> so you can say "this device wins over this device"
[08:53] <psusi> Keybuk: so you have it all working now?
[09:19] <Mithrandir> slomo: slightly hard when there are "no builds recorded".
[09:20] <slomo> Mithrandir: hm? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mono/1.2.4-0ubuntu2 lists them
[09:21] <Mithrandir> slomo: argh, I got bitten by the "the top of the version list is not necessary the newest one"
[09:21] <Mithrandir> given-back
[09:21] <slomo> thanks :)
[09:51] <ajmitch> morning
[10:03] <Keybuk> psusi: I think so, we'll see :)
[10:04] <psusi> cool
[10:08] <ion_> What would be really neat is if Ubuntu used 6to4 by default if the computer has a public IPv4 address and no IPv6 default route. Perhaps i should try to hack that some day or century.
[10:10] <Keybuk> yeah
[10:11] <Keybuk> that way we'd lose about 25% of our userbase when they can't get on the net

[10:11] <ajmitch> who needs them anyway? :)
[10:11] <Keybuk> the IPv6 problem is that most people's ISP-supplied DSL routers do not deal with IPv6 well
[10:11] <ion_> Of course the automatic 6to4 connectivity must be tested before a 6to4 route is added.
[10:11] <Keybuk> and since the real world still uses IPv4, enabling IPv6 by default isn't important
[10:12] <ajmitch> and for sites that are accessible via ipv6, it's often slower reaching them
[10:12] <ion_> The available IPv4 resource pool has now been reduced to the point that ARIN is compelled to advise the Internet community that migration to IPv6 is necessary for any applications that require ongoing availability from ARIN of contiguous IP number resources.  http://www.arin.net/announcements/20070521.html
[10:13] <Keybuk> heh, nothing will happen until the day they refuse to ever allocate an IPv4 address again
[10:14] <psusi> yep
[10:14] <Keybuk> not to mention they'd have to get RIPE, etc. to join in
[10:15] <Keybuk> my ISP is arguably the biggest in the UK, and one of the largest in Europe, and they still have no IPv6 provisioning :-/
[10:15] <ajmitch> APNIC wouldn't be a problem, we've got most of the world's population & probably the fewest ipv4 blocks
[10:15] <maswan> Well, it keeps getting harder, as in more documentation required for justification etc, smaller allocations, requirement to use previous allocations before getting new IPs, etc.
[10:16] <maswan> RIPE, ARIN etc can keep on delegating as long as they can get new /8s from IANA. Once that supply stops, ...
[10:17] <Keybuk> plus they need to fix IPv6 first anyway
[10:17] <maswan> the rirs already have, now just "all applications and equipment" needs to get fixed.
[10:18] <Keybuk> and all ISPs need to spend a huge amount of money rewiring their networks ...
[10:18] <Keybuk> ... in some cases replacing vasts amount of equipment
[10:18] <Keybuk> before Canonical, I worked at an ISP.  We heavily looked into IPv6
[10:18] <maswan> Yes, that's why you should start now, since you have an upgrade cycle still.
[10:18] <Keybuk> and we worked out it would be cheaper to shut down the company than do the upgrade
[10:19] <Keybuk> since the upgrade would put us out of business with the cost
[10:20] <Keybuk> not only would we have required vast equipment upgrades over our entire national network
[10:20] <maswan> Keybuk: Well, it'll be interesting to see how things turn out in a few years.
[10:20] <Keybuk> but we would have had to change operating systems on large numbers of servers to have them on the network
[10:20] <Keybuk> and would have had to completely re-engineer the network routeing, since that was based on IPv4
[10:21] <Keybuk> (we provided a static IP or IP block to every customer, dial-up or DSL or leased line, so had our own routeing protocol)
[10:21] <Keybuk> not to mention that BT didn't (and afaik, still don't) support IPv6 for DSL
[10:21] <Keybuk> IPv6 fans have been predicting the imminent demise of IPv4 for as long as I can remember
[10:22] <ion_> keybuk: The demise of IPv4 is always just five years away. :-)
[10:22] <Keybuk> we'll all be using IPv6 on our Amigas <g>
[10:22] <ion_> Right after the massive breakthrought of Linux on the desktop, and a bit before the release of Duke Nukem Forever.
[10:22] <ion_> My Amiga has no problem with IPv6. :-)
[10:24] <slomo> Mithrandir: please also give back gnome-sharp2 on amd64 and ppc for the same reason ;)
[10:25] <maswan> Keybuk: As I said, it'll be interesting to see in a few years. If the ~2011 deadline still stands in 2 years from now, I suspect there will be quite a rush.
[10:25] <Keybuk> tbh, the main problem with ipv6 in Ubuntu has been that those people who care about ipv6 are such fanatics about it, they're not interested in fixing the problems with ipv4 interoperability
[10:25] <Keybuk> "turn off ipv4" is not a solution for 99.99% of our users
[10:25] <ion_> IPv6 seems to work just fine in Ubuntu.
[10:26] <Keybuk> it's actually deliberately slightly broken
[10:26] <Keybuk> you won't get IPv6 DNS lookups unless you set a non-link-local IP
[10:28] <smithj> i can't figure out where ubuntu creates /scripts/init-top/usplash in the initrd. it doesn't seem to exist on the real filesystem anywhere - does mkinitrd create it on the fly?
[10:28] <maswan> Yeah. I hate that you have to workaroud broken hardware, but it is there.  ... "Sure, it's eff, eee, eighty colon co" ... "STOP! STOP! FOR GODS SAKE! STOP!"
[10:32] <TerminX> wtf
[10:33] <TerminX> I should just explain my experience today... I did an upgrade, and then samba started saying my password expired, so I changed it via smbpasswd
[10:33] <TerminX> but it looks like smbpasswd changed my actual login password
[10:33] <TerminX> seems wrong to me
[10:33] <maswan> Keybuk: "<IP_ADDRESS>"
[10:34] <TerminX> was something changed so that the smb password and the login password are unified?
[10:34] <Keybuk> no idea
[10:34] <Keybuk> did you read the changelog?
[10:34] <TerminX> Keybuk: for which package? :p
[10:35] <Keybuk> TerminX: any of them?
[10:35] <Keybuk> this is a developer channel, not a support channel
[10:35] <Keybuk> so I assume you're preparing a fix?
[10:35] <Keybuk> otherwise you may find someone on #ubuntu is able to help you better than we can
[10:35] <TerminX> no, I'm asking questions about development changes
[10:35] <TerminX> not preparing a fix, not asking for support
[10:35] <Keybuk> that's support
[10:37] <Keybuk> (seriously, unless the one person who's touched samba is here and awake, there is little chance of getting a useful answer from us)
[10:38] <Keybuk> anyhoo, bed time
[10:38] <Keybuk> nite all
[10:43] <TerminX> ajmitch: did anything change that would prevent accessing your home directory via \\machine\username?
[10:44] <ajmitch> it's been disabled from the default smb.conf for quite awhile now
[10:45] <TerminX> I don't use the default smb.conf... it looks like the behavior is outright broken with the new version of the packages regardless of your conf
[10:45] <TerminX> I downgraded to 3.0.24-6ubuntu1 from 3.0.25-1ubuntu1 and the issues went away
[10:46] <ajmitch> I know of one potential problem that is being fixed upstream, and 3.0.25a should be out this week


[01:59] <guiverc> jammy/22.04; do we want/need wallpaper competition?  rely on random entries? or i could grab some jellyfish type free images as per impish as fallbacks (no logos, I do favor nature scenes so likely lacking in variety...)
[10:24] <kc2bez> guiverc: That is a good question. I think we should look around and see what we can find for some free to use images. There were not many to choose from for Indri. Jellyfish might be easier.
[10:27] <guiverc> I'll aim to look at the site I used last time (next few days when I can) as wimpy from Ubuntu-MATE used that site numerous times thus it feels 'safe' to me  (I liked one for indri)
[10:28] <kc2bez> Sounds good.
[11:11] <guiverc> you are right kc2bez, loads of pics of jellyfish, all colors on unsplash (& lots with blue)
[11:12]  * guiverc has created a gsheet, but won't populate tonight


[23:25] <reisio> Yuri6037: not sure darker window titles counts as "just like windows 10", but whatever :p
[23:26] <Jbmorris289> adrian_1908: I used UNETBootin and used the C: drive to boot, will installatio still work
[23:26] <Jbmorris289> Typo.
[23:26] <Jbmorris289> Installation
[23:26] <Quetza> It seems that apt-get update is a pre-requisite for having apt-get working. would be nice if it were documented somewhere :(
[23:26] <Jbmorris289> there
[23:26] <nacc> Quetza: it's in the manpage?
[23:27] <nacc> Quetza: and it's not "required", but if you want to be current, it's necessary
[23:27] <adrian_1908> Jbmorris289: What do you mean by C: drive? Does your mainboard's boot menu assign drive letters, or what are you referring to?
[23:27] <nacc> Quetza: and on any alteration to sources, of course
[23:27] <Yuri6037> for examples the top right dropdowns are realy good and smooth now on the video i saw, that was a creep win10 metro look !
[23:27] <adrian_1908> Jbmorris289: You booted from a LiveCD/stick, no?
[23:28] <Jbmorris289> de-facto: i have, but I think i've formatted my Flash drive too many times and now im worried about it dying sooner
[23:28] <Jbmorris289> i try to make it bootable with stuff
[23:28] <Jbmorris289> but it somtimes
[23:28] <Jbmorris289> doesn't seem to wanna work
[23:28] <Jbmorris289> adrian_1908: Nope
[23:29] <Jbmorris289> Hard drive, i set it up with unetbootin
[23:29] <de-facto> Jbmorris289 yeah there is no really durable option for data except for backing it up on multiple devices, rewriting it and renewing the hw from time to time
[23:29] <Jbmorris289> hw?
[23:29] <de-facto> hardware
[23:29] <Jbmorris289> ..oh
[23:30] <Yuri6037> if i would like to make ubuntu my next system that's to replace win7 when it will be dropped. the problem is that if ubuntu starts to go into the same crappy rendering engaged in win 8, seriously i give up ubuntu !
[23:31] <Jbmorris289> de-facto: so will installation still work even though im booted from the internal hard drive
[23:31] <Yuri6037> that is the question ! And apparently unity 8 is taking some foot in this crappy rendering
[23:31] <Defiance_> there are other flavors of ubuntu that dont use unity
[23:32] <Yuri6037> i know but i love unity7...
[23:32] <JeremyN> I'm running Ubuntu 14.04.4 LTS, backuppc version 3.3.0, and samba version 4.3.8-Ubuntu.
[23:32] <JeremyN> BackupPC is failing and logging the following when trying to backup Windows 10 users:
[23:32] <JeremyN> cli_list: Error: unable to parse name from info level 260
[23:32] <JeremyN> NT_STATUS_NO_MEMORY listing \\*
[23:32] <JeremyN> tar:705  do_list fail NT_STATUS_NO_MEMORY
[23:32] <JeremyN> I THINK it's caused by this bug: https://bugzilla.samba.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11831
[23:32] <robotdevil1> grrrrrrrr is EFI ever stupid
[23:33] <o11c> robotdevil1: yup, first thing I always do is disable it
[23:33] <de-facto> Jbmorris289 if you want to install ubuntu onto your harddrive i would recommend to boot from a livecd/liveusb and test if your hardware works properly with ubuntu. if so you can reformat and install ubuntu onto your harddrive then (but please backup your data before you do that)
[23:33] <JeremyN> which is a duplicate of this bug: https://bugzilla.samba.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11822#c6
[23:33] <Yuri6037> and from what i saw on youtube for unity8 is remembering me win 8 shit metro interface and ms making all their possible for the most crappy rendering started with win8.
[23:34] <adrian_1908> Jbmorris289: Yeah, what de-facto said. Strange shenanigans are not worth the hassle. Get a new usb stick if necessary, they are so cheap and have plenty uses.
[23:34] <JeremyN> is Ubuntu planning on rolling that patch into their package of samba?
[23:35] <robotdevil1> o11c: well I have a HP notebook and I assumed it was installed with EFI and secureboot, so I tried to install grub to the mbr to see what would happen, without changing the bios
[23:35] <robotdevil1> o11c: it made a install that you could reach by pressing the boot order hot key
[23:36] <nacc> JeremyN: is there an ubuntu bug for it?
[23:36] <robotdevil1> which isnt great
[23:36] <Yuri6037> the problem of ms is that they want the system to be identical on mobile and desktop (which is the worst idea i ever saw) and ubuntu unity8 with their phone is taking a bit the same direction.
[23:36] <de-facto> Yuri6037 there are loads of different DesktopEnvironments, one for every taste (not only Unity). Just google some further and you probably will find some you like more (e.g. Gnome, KDE, LXDE, Xfce and so on and so forth)
[23:36] <Jbmorris289> adrian_1908: i can't get a new one ATM.
[23:36] <nacc> Yuri6037: offtopic (afaict)
[23:36] <o11c> I just installed xfce for my mom's old netbook
[23:36] <o11c> personally I use KDE though
[23:36] <de-facto> Yuri6037 look at all the variety of livecds you could choose from: http://releases.ubuntu.com/
[23:37] <robotdevil1> so then I told the hp recovery whatever it was it recover the partitions and do clean install but with secure boot off and legacy mode in bios
[23:37] <Yuri6037> i love unity version 7 but not version 8 that's all and what i'm worried about is that future isos will be enforced with that unity8
[23:37] <adrian_1908> Jbmorris289: So you're attempting one of these "launch Ubuntu installer from within Windows" things or? I've never done that.
[23:38] <nacc> JeremyN: on quick searching, I did not find one; you may want to file one
[23:38] <de-facto> Yuri6037 if you dont like Unity, choose another iso with another DE, look at the link
[23:39] <robotdevil1> and then tried to install ubuntu and I even made a grub EFI boot partition and installed grub to mbr since it would not let me select the windows EFI or the grub boot partition
[23:39] <robotdevil1> and this install is unreachable
[23:40] <Yuri6037> de-facto: I said you about 10 times already : not unity in general ! Unity7 which is the current i have is great and visualy good. The problem is Unity8.
[23:41] <mundus2018> http://i.imgur.com/5jOLUoi.jpg
[23:41] <Yuri6037> will there be an option in future ubuntu versions to keep unity7 ?
[23:41] <EriC^^> robotdevil1: is windows working right now?
[23:42] <Rave1> acer
[23:43] <adrian_1908> Yuri6037: Complaining here won't help. Vanilla Ubuntu is a "trendy" OS, so you'll see contemporary UI design in it. Many users jumped ship to other Desktops far earlier for other reasons.
[23:43] <adrian_1908> Yuri6037: So either go with the flow, or pick something more conservative.
[23:43] <reisio> Yuri6037: with free software, even if nobody else supports it, you can always maintain it yourself
[23:44] <Yuri6037> ok so the answer to my question is no and if i want to keep it i have to touch code ?
[23:45] <Yuri6037> where is the repo of unity7 ?
[23:46] <reisio> the answer is probably not, and if nobody else is going to maintain it, yes, you will have to maintain it yourself
[23:46] <OerHeks> worried about problems while unity 8 isn't default yet ..
[23:46] <Jbmorris289> 1880 people on this channel
[23:46] <Jbmorris289> Wow
[23:46] <reisio> https://launchpad.net/unity
[23:47] <petrrms> Does macbuntu work with ubuntu 16??
[23:47] <Yuri6037> i worry for the future...
[23:47] <Jbmorris289> oo ubuntu 16 alpha
[23:48] <Jordan_U> Yuri6037: Please express those worries elsewhere like #ubuntu-offtopic. This channel is for productive Ubuntu support discussion only.
[23:48] <Yuri6037> Is there no github things ? Where do i view codes ?
[23:49] <reisio> uses bzr, IIRC
[23:49] <reisio> because Canonical has a NIH problem
[23:50] <reisio> http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/latest/en/tutorials/using_bazaar_with_launchpad.html
[23:50] <Jordan_U> Yuri6037: https://code.launchpad.net/unity
[23:50] <VoidPlays> hi
[23:50] <reisio> hi void
[23:51] <Yuri6037> Ok thanks
[23:53] <Yuri6037> Apparently unity is c++
[23:55] <petrrms> where can I download 15.10?
[23:55] <reisio> Yuri6037: that'd make sense, as C++ is what amateurs choose :p
[23:55] <reisio> petrrms: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+cdmirrors
[23:56] <petrrms> where do I download the iso?
[23:56] <petrrms> v
[23:56] <petrrms> http://ubuntu.qualitynet.net/releases/15.04/
[23:56] <petrrms> on this page, it does not have any iso
[23:57] <Jordan_U> petrrms: Why not go with 16.04 LTS?
[23:57] <petrrms> I cant instal macbuntu
[23:57] <petrrms> Jordan_U:
[23:59] <petrrms> Jordan_U: I am trying to install a Yosemite OSX theme on Ubuntu, is it possible with 16?
[23:59] <Jordan_U> petrrms: I have no idea.
[23:59] <edubuntuuser2017> Hello, I am trying to get a DVD to play on Edubuntu, but it's not working. Does anyone know if it is easier to get it working on Ubuntu or would Edubuntu be using the same files for this to work?


[07:41] <DEvil0000> so nobody here can help me with this kernel issue?
[09:27] <apw> DEvil0000, "this" ?
[10:22] <ogra_> apw, i have a user running CI tests in qemu/kvm for ubuntu on top of a Centos box ... his VMs fill up /run/udev/data with tons of cgroup entries over time (ls output is at https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapd/+bug/1687507/+attachment/4870568/+files/run_udev_data.log) ...https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapd/+bug/1687507 any idea ? (he runs a hwe kernel in the VMs)
[10:22] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1687507 in snapd "Memory leak (/tmp file system filling up)" [Undecided,New]
[10:28] <apw> ogra_, so he is saying that within the VM we are dropping those failes in /run, or are they in his host ?
[10:28] <apw> ogra_, but if they are /run/udev/data files i would assume they are related to systemd in whichever ?
[10:29] <ogra_> apw, they are inside the VM ... he runs his VMs with 200MB ram each and after a week or so they all run out of ram
[10:29] <apw> ogra_, ok so then our systemd seems most likely given the names
[10:29] <ogra_> i would expect udev to only react to device creastion here
[10:30] <apw> ogra_, which you do for every snap install, you make a new loop
[10:30] <ogra_> well, thats not loop devices there
[10:31] <apw> no it is session things, perhaps one for every run of a snap command
[10:32] <ogra_> zyga_, ^^^ ?
[10:32] <zyga_> ogra_: looking
[10:32] <apw> ogra_, but they look like regular files, and they arn't in a directory the kernel makes up out of the ether, they look like actual disk blocks
[10:32] <ogra_> well ... i see bits like: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root     31 May  1 06:08 +cgroup:kmalloc-1024(30177:apt-daily.service
[10:32] <zyga_> ogra_: I saw this bug
[10:32] <ogra_> thats definitely not from snapd
[10:32] <zyga_> ogra_: perhaps the real memory is hidden somewhere else that we don't see
[10:32] <zyga_> aha
[10:33] <zyga_> do you have a log of what is in the slab?
[10:33] <apw> ogra_, no but that doesn't make it a kernel thing.  that is a systemd unit which ran
[10:33] <apw> zyga_, these are actual files in a directory on a ramfs
[10:33] <ogra_> zyga_, we only have the ls output of the udev db atm
[10:33] <apw> the memory is being using storing them
[10:33] <apw> i would suggest whatever is making the sessions is triggering udev to leak an internal file
[10:34] <zyga_> apw: aha,
[10:34] <zyga_> apw: is that an actual ramfs or did you mean tmpfs?
[10:35] <ogra_> its a tmpfs ...
[10:35] <ogra_> usually /run has 10% of your ram
[10:35] <apw> zyga_, tmpfs prolly, as it is /run
[10:36] <apw> so according to the other logs in teh forum, i think there is a session being logged in syslog for every execution of his snap commands
[10:37] <zyga_> apw: what do you mean by session specifically? (I'm not fully aware of how various "sessions" are managed by linux)
[10:37] <ogra_> Apr 28 09:36:50 ci-comp11-dut systemd[1]: Started Session 1817 of user root.
[10:37] <apw> zyga_, that is userspace shit :)
[10:37] <ogra_> yxou mean that line i guess
[10:38] <apw> ogra_, yeah, that is what it looks like to me
[10:38] <apw> perhaps that is an install of a snap, dunno, he is implying he is doing repeated installs
[10:39] <ogra_> yeah, no wonder if he does CI
[10:39] <ogra_> (though he should simply kill the VM and use a fresh one to do it right :) )
[10:40] <apw> ogra_, he could, but i would open a systemd task on that bug at least, as it looks to be leaking, or if it is not they might be able to tell us better waht the hell those files represent
[10:41] <apw> ogra_, and what the reporter is doing wrong (this is systemd after all)
[10:41] <apw> "you didn't want to do it like _that_"
[10:41] <zyga_> do  you guys think there's an actual snapd bug somewhere?
[10:41] <ogra_> zyga_, unlikely given the type of files created there
[10:41] <apw> zyga_, without knowing what the session represents ... you might ask for one of the file content as well
[10:43] <LocutusOfBorg> [12:42:15] <LocutusOfBorg> hello cjwatson wrt the git/ssh repo cloning issue, I finally found it
[10:43] <LocutusOfBorg> [12:42:16] <LocutusOfBorg> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git/cking/stress-ng.git/
[10:43] <LocutusOfBorg> [12:42:31] <LocutusOfBorg> this one is git only clonable (ok not really a launchpad host)
[10:43] <LocutusOfBorg> cking, ^^ :)
[10:43] <LocutusOfBorg> do you mind having https too?
[10:43] <apw> LocutusOfBorg, what does that mean, ie which protocols don't work
[10:43] <LocutusOfBorg> git clone https://
[10:43]  * apw wonders how that works ... hmmm
[10:44] <LocutusOfBorg> if you look at the page, it is not even shown as "clonable"
[10:44] <LocutusOfBorg> probably some configuration needs an enable
[10:44] <apw> that host is somewhat of a legacy mess ... no idea if it even can do https
[10:45] <apw> i suspect it does not at all ...
[10:45] <cking> I guess that's the reason
[10:45] <apw> cking, would it make more sense to just mirror that into LP and be happy ?
[10:45] <LocutusOfBorg> :(
[10:45] <LocutusOfBorg> we have git protocol blocked here at work
[10:45] <apw> cking, we could even add it to the primary mirroring list if you care to keep both working
[10:45] <infinity> LocutusOfBorg: Tell the people who run your work network to stop being terrible?
[10:46] <cking> apw, I'd prefer LP to mirror the original git repo if thats possible
[10:46] <apw> infinity, but but they need to record everything you do, oh except https:// cause you can't do anything dodgy with that
[10:46] <apw> cking, i guess it depends where in the namespace it goes to
[10:47] <infinity> cking: Wasn't there a goal to eventually get *all* the master repos off of wani, though?
[10:47] <LocutusOfBorg> infinity, it is the customer's network :) unfortunately security team has a blacklist everything opinion
[10:47] <cking> infinity, yeah, I'm being lazy
[10:47] <apw> LocutusOfBorg, letting https:// out basically means they don't stop anything
[10:47] <cking> I have it mirrored at https://github.com/ColinIanKing/stress-ng too
[10:48] <apw> cking, oh ... heh
[10:48] <LocutusOfBorg> apw, well, somebody was doing reverse ssh over git port :)
[10:48] <LocutusOfBorg> they even blocked ssh on 443
[10:48] <apw> LocutusOfBorg, and they are now doing it over https no doubt
[10:48] <cking> i guess you could download https://github.com/ColinIanKing/stress-ng/archive/master.zip
[10:48] <infinity> LocutusOfBorg: You can't "block ssh on 443".  I mean, you can block the pre-ssh handshake, but you can't stop people from setting up ssl tunnels and then going to town.
[10:49] <apw> cking, he can clone from github if it is a mirror
[10:49] <infinity> LocutusOfBorg: So, indeed, as Andy says, if you allow 443/https, you allow everything.  Just in a way you can't filter/inspect.
[10:49] <LocutusOfBorg> infinity, yes, of course, they just made things harder
[10:49] <LocutusOfBorg> anyhow git over ssh works nicely, and I don't want to hack things on a build server
[10:49] <apw> "harder" for someone who was reverse tunnelling ssh over the git port, is not going to be actually hard
[10:50] <cking> apw, I keep a mirror of all my repos on github because folks in .cn sometimes can't access my repos any other way
[10:50] <apw> cking, greak, then LocutusOfBorg should mirror from
[10:50] <apw> github for now, and we can think about where that repo should move to
[10:50] <apw> at our leisure
[10:50] <cking> apw, the "at our leisure" generally means never
[10:51] <apw> cking, no we have cards now
[10:51] <cking> apw, OK, I'll slap it on the card deck
[10:51] <apw> cking, so ... who owns that, is it cking or is it c-k-t or something else
[10:51] <cking> apw, tis me
[10:51] <apw> then i cannot mirror _to_ your LP, but if you switched master to lp:~cking i could mirror it back to kernel, and you could add the symlink there
[10:52] <apw> cking, as an aside does github auto-mirror for you ?
[10:52] <cking> apw, sounds like a plan
[10:53] <cking> cking, I generally push to my repo and mirror one each push
[10:53] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks!
[10:53] <LocutusOfBorg> cking, I'm pretty sure there is some automatic push feature on github
[10:53] <infinity> cking: I'd argue that if you're going to the trouble of moving it, you might want it owned by a stress-ng-hackers team or something instead of cking.  Future proof it a bit.
[10:53] <cking> i suspect there is
[10:53] <LocutusOfBorg> but I never found how does it work
[10:53] <cking> infinity, yeah, sounds like a good idea
[10:54] <apw> infinity, in which case we could add the mirror-bot
[10:54] <apw> to that team until we get the fine-grained permissions we are meant to have
[10:54] <apw> cking, i assume you have an LP project already anyhow
[10:55] <cking> https://launchpad.net/stress-ng
[10:55] <LocutusOfBorg> or maybe just
[10:55] <LocutusOfBorg> add an hook
[10:57] <LocutusOfBorg> BTW the network is mostly windows only, I'm the only one with such connection issues, and I don't want to complain to /dev/null network admins, corporate networks can be time consuming
[10:57] <LocutusOfBorg> (I do tethering and live happy for now)
[10:58] <apw> LocutusOfBorg, well it sounds like you have a work-around, use the github mirror as that is https: already
[10:59] <LocutusOfBorg> yes, thanks! I forwarded this helpful message to my colleague
[11:02] <cking> LocutusOfBorg, and let me know if you find any stress-ng issues too
[11:03] <LocutusOfBorg> cking, it is an awesome tool! we use it to stress our custom yocto BSP :)
[11:04] <cking> LocutusOfBorg, thanks, that's good to know.  can you star it on the git hub page :-)
[11:04] <LocutusOfBorg> done :)
[11:04] <LocutusOfBorg> I didn't even star my projects
[11:04] <cking> \o/
[11:05] <LocutusOfBorg> I think I had some feature requests to do for this project, something I feel "hey that would be nice" but I forgot them
[11:05] <cking> LocutusOfBorg, well, I'm very open to new feature requests and/or patches too :-)
[11:07] <LocutusOfBorg> I probably remember the need to test ram overloading and some cpu micro (e.g. stress test only one single core) or something like that
[11:07] <LocutusOfBorg> it happened 1.5 year ago, too much time for my brain to remember
[11:07] <LocutusOfBorg> :)
[11:07] <cking> ah, stress-ng has progressed a lot since then
[11:07] <LocutusOfBorg> sure, I would like to give it a new try :)
[11:11] <LocutusOfBorg> flashbench, this is a tool we had to add because stress-ng was not testing flashes :)
[11:35] <DEvil0000> 10:10:48 - DEvil0000: I have a issue with my 14.04 and hope to find some help here. Description: https://hastebin.com/raw/fareguzego
[11:35] <DEvil0000> 10:11:10 - DEvil0000: in short: core dumps of 32Bit processes on a 64Bit OS are not correct somehow. so its about gdb, kernel, ubuntu 14.04/16.04 and packages
[11:37] <DEvil0000> @apw
[11:39] <apw> DEvil0000, hmmm so you are saying 32bit core dumps differ depending whether they are dumped by the lts-backport 4.4 or the native 4.4 from a later release ?
[11:43] <apw> that is somewhat unexpected as the only real difference is normally the compiler used to build it
[11:44] <apw> DEvil0000, you should file a bug against the kernel and add a task for gdb as well i suspect, and drop the number in here
[12:03] <DEvil0000> apw: yes, this is what I see. resulting in incorrect/broken stack trace in gdb later when dumped with the backport kernel
[12:03] <apw> DEvil0000, that is most odd as those kernels are essentially the same other than where they are built
[12:03] <DEvil0000> apw: when I install the native 4.4 packages on my 14.04 it works as expected
[12:04] <apw> that makes little to no sense in reality
[12:04] <apw> but, it is happening, so please file a bug against the kernel with all that detail and how you reproduced it
[12:04] <apw> i assume a simple 32bit proggy which does abort will exhibit this behaviour
[12:05] <DEvil0000> apw: not sure - this seams to be quite likely for my processes with about 30 threads but less likely with less threads. hard to find a good example process
[12:07] <DEvil0000> apw: main thread dumps seam to be ok most of the time
[12:07] <apw> hmmm
[12:08] <apw> it is not 100% reproducible.  that is ever odder
[12:08] <DEvil0000> is it save to use the native 4.4 kernel packages instead of the backport ones?
[12:09] <DEvil0000> is maybe the patch level different in some way?
[12:09] <DEvil0000> or maybe a lib needed to compile the kernel?
[12:10] <apw> they are identical as far as i know from a patches applied perspective (on x86 at least)
[12:10] <apw> and they do not use external libraries
[12:10] <apw> safe is a relative term, you won't get updates if you do tha
[12:10] <apw> taht
[12:12] <DEvil0000> I have found some reports from others via google having the same issues.
[12:12] <DEvil0000> sometimes with gcore gdb in the title. some for debian.
[12:12] <DEvil0000> updates are not a issue in this case. we have our own pool which is a less updated ubuntu pool clone
[12:16] <DEvil0000> (but yes I tested it on plain and full updated 14.04)
[12:18] <DEvil0000> maybe it is somehow related to this: http://www.bigeng.io/recovering-redis-data-with-gdb/
[12:18] <DEvil0000> looks similar
[12:25] <DEvil0000> @apw: so you tell me using the native 4.4 should be no issue. why don't you use the same packages for both versions then? maybe even from a common package pool?
[12:25] <apw> i didn't actually say there would be no issues but regardless
[12:26] <apw> the thing is not compiled using tools you have so no out of tree drivers can be relied on for one
[12:26] <apw> that is why we build a native version of the kernel for the series it is run in
[12:27] <apw> as the differences between the two are minor, at best, i have no evidence you are not just getting lucky and the problem will come back
[12:29] <apw> DEvil0000, nope there are no code differences between the two, /me checks config
[12:30] <apw> DEvil0000, and the only thing there is how stack-crashing is detected (due to compiler limitations) but that should not be visible in userspace either


[09:46] <kyonshi> hello, quick question: I have installed thelounge via snap and want to add a user now. now I can run "thelounge add [user]" and it starts the process but tells me I need higher permissions. when I use "sudo thelounge add [user]" it tells me "sudo: thelounge: command not found"
[09:47] <kyonshi> what's the right way to run sudo with snap applications?
[10:28] <ogra_> kyonshi, it is better to ask this kind of questions in the forum, this channel is mostly full of tumbleweed (i.e. dead and quiet) .... though your use of sudo is correct ... you could try if "sudo /snap/bin/thelounge" or "sudo snap run thelounge" works better
[10:29] <kyonshi> ok, thanks, will try that
[10:31] <kyonshi> ok, the first one worked


[08:17] <fschulte> hi newz2000
[08:18] <fschulte> how are you?
[08:20] <fschulte> newz2000: have you read my e-mail from frieday?
[08:20] <fschulte> newz2000: any newz for me? :)
[08:22] <fschulte> newz2000: we met here last week. do you remember?
[21:34] <fschulte> newz2000: thanks for your quick response.


[00:22] <Scary_Guy> Hi
[11:37] <cmaloney> How goes the day so far?
[15:58] <jrwren> much coffee, so wonderful!


[02:22] <ahoneybun> is it dead here too>
[03:58] <Harsha_> excuse me!? is anyone there to help me out on installing 14.04 LTS on Xperia Go?
[04:03] <EllieGoulding> you look at the porting guide
[04:03] <EllieGoulding> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting#Touch_Developer_Preview_-_Porting_Guide_2.0
[07:51] <manolo> Hi to all. I wish I could install a linux based OS on my smartphone currently using Android
[07:51] <manolo> I need help since the phone I am using is an unknown Chinese brand
[10:32] <vitimiti> hi
[11:29] <Kebabfish> any way to disable the onscreen keyboard in ubuntu touch when a fysical keyboard is connected?
[12:30] <robertpero> Hi, image #257 for emulator does not boot. Is this normal?
[18:10] <ahoneybun> hello
[19:24] <Guest35251> I've been intensely curious about what tabletish ubuntu looks like, so I ordered a 2013 version Nexus 7 to try it out ont
[19:25] <Guest35251> I'm running LinuxMint on my ancient desktop computer, and was wondering if the directions for install need modifying because it looks like they're written for straight ubuntu
[19:43] <Nothing_Much> Huh.
[20:45] <vitimiti> Hi
[20:49] <Linnak> Hi, Can someone send me a list from smartphones on which ubuntu-touch can run?
[20:51] <MoPac> Hello. I'm hoping to understand a bit more about the difference between touchscreen support in the desktop v. phone versions in 14.10. Specifically, I'd love to get touch gestures like pinch zoom working on my desktop, where ginn is a bit of a fail. But do the phone developments have anything to do with that?
[21:18] <SkyFall> Hi
[21:19] <SkyFall> Is there a way to install ubuntu touch on non-android devices? e.g. transformer book t100
[22:59] <brownsamurai> any issues pertaining to clean trusty tahr installs discussed here?
[23:32]  * SturmFlut will one day run all his supercomputer stuff on an Ubuntu phone
[23:57] <thl_> hello, i have a newcomer question.
[23:58] <thl_> is there any mobile phone NOT from Google, onto which I can install Ubuntu Touch, and doing this without Android?


[00:17] <jk_> Anybody know how to turn off tool tips for the "home" and launcher icons on the XFCE desktop in version 4.10? Haven't found anything on a Google search.
[00:19] <ochosi> jk_: could be that disabling thumbnails also disables the tooltips, but other than that i have no clue
[00:23] <jk_> ochosi, unfortunately I already have them disabled, and the tips still show up. In 4.10 they also include oversized icons and that's really ugly.
[08:40] <Marzata> how do you add more Xfce style themes? By default in Xfce aren't they more?
[08:42] <Unit193> xfwm4-themes or shiki-colors-xfwm-theme for xfwm, quite a few xfce themes aren't GTK3 compatible.
[08:44] <tabby_cat> Unit193: thank you :)
[08:45] <Unit193> Sure, I take it you wondered too.
[08:49] <Marzata> Unit193: thank you!
[08:51] <Unit193> Sure thing.
[08:52] <gry> you can also write your own themes Marzata, they're bit similar to CSS (/usr/share/themes/ has a ton of examples)
[08:52] <Marzata> gry: will look into that too, thanks!
[08:53] <gry> put them into ~/.themes/themename/ and modify, they'll appear in settings-appearance-style under the name you chose, just making sure it is not same as an existing name could work out of the box
[08:53] <gry> no problem
[09:48] <k_sze> What happens if I apt-get upgrade a box through SSH and lose connection?
[09:49] <koegs> k_sze: not good, use screen
[09:49] <k_sze> oh nvm, it seems to get reconnected automatically, weird
[09:49] <koegs> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Screen
[09:49] <Sysi> !info screen
[09:53] <k_sze> So how do I usually use it? ssh into the box, start screen, ctrl-a, c, start apt-get upgrade, and if I get disconnected, ssh into the box again, screen, ctrl-a, " to find the vt?
[09:59] <Sysi> ssh into box, run screen, press enter, then whatever, quit with exit or detach with C-a-d and reattach with screen -Dr
[10:01] <k_sze> Sysi: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Screen says that "when a Screen session is *detached*, the processes that were running inside it aren't stopped." But what happens if my SSH connection gets dropped before I have a chance to detach Screen?
[10:02] <Sysi> there's automatic detach
[10:04] <gry> yes, screen will detach automatically
[10:58] <Marzata> how do you change to autologin user in xubu?
[11:02] <koegs> Marzata: read the F.A.Q. :)
[11:02] <koegs> http://xubuntu.org/news/faq-1204-precise/
[11:13] <Marzata> huh, thanks!
[12:50] <olivier__> hi @ll
[13:27] <kore_> Hallo, I am running 12.04, I have a problem geting my nvidia card runing. I have tried running nvidia-config and done a reboot but cant get it to work. Can somone please healp me? Thanks! :)
[13:28] <baizon> kore_: what error msg do you get?
[13:28] <baizon> how can you tell its activated?
[13:29] <kore_> i dont, I just dont get my any higher resolution then 640x480.
[13:30] <kore_> but i have installed the driver thrue the additional drivers program..
[13:31] <baizon> kore_: try using the binary nvdia driver from the homepage
[13:32] <koegs> additional driver should be ok, but which nvidia-card do you have?
[13:33] <kore_> but its strange I got it working a coupel of days ago, after i used the laptop with a additional screen it stoped working.
[13:33] <GridCube> kore_, whats the output of xrandr
[13:33] <GridCube> and the output of lspci | grep "VGA"?
[13:33] <GridCube> !pastebin
[13:33] <kore_> xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default Screen 0: minimum 640 x 480, current 640 x 480, maximum 640 x 480 default connected 640x480+0+0 0mm x 0mm    640x480        73.0*
[13:34] <GridCube> okay and the output of lspci | grep "VGA"?
[13:34] <recon_lap> seem to have found a repeatable bug in gimp that locks up my computer :(
[13:35] <GridCube> ubuntu-bug gimp  << recon_lap
[13:35] <kore_> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation G86 [GeForce 8400M GS] (rev a1)
[13:35] <GridCube> kore_, just that one?
[13:35] <mona_> hello. How do i disable the panel from starting?
[13:35] <kore_> yes
[13:35] <mona_> i would like to use awn instead
[13:36] <GridCube> mona_, just eliminate them
[13:36] <mona_> GridCube, but i cant remove the last one..
[13:36] <GridCube> kill xfce4-panel
[13:36] <recon_lap> well, I'll try to see if i can repeat it again, but it's more that a gimp bug if it locks up the computer/desktop
[13:36] <GridCube> but it will probably restart itself
[13:37] <mona_> GridCube, right. And I would like to disable its startup
[13:37] <GridCube> kore_, launch gksu jockey-gtk
[13:37] <baizon> mona_: go session and startup and remove the entry?
[13:38] <GridCube> kore_, see what drivers are you using, you can pass a screenshot if you feel like ti
[13:38] <baizon> mona_:
[13:38] <baizon> Navigate to Settings Manager > Session and Startup > Session, kill the xfce4-panel process and save the session state.
[13:39] <mona_> baizon, yep, nice, thank you :)
[13:39] <baizon> np
[13:39] <kore_> GridCube: I am using nvidia 173, thats the only one..
[13:39] <GridCube> its activated?
[13:39] <kore_> GridCube: yes
[13:39] <GridCube> ok, weird
[13:40] <GridCube> kore_, you know how to move around ttys?
[13:41] <kore_> GridCube: not really.. :/ whats ttys, you mean to go to bash behinde xserver? with ctrl+ fx F4
[13:42] <GridCube> yes, ctrl-alt-f[1-6]
[13:42] <kore_> GridCube: yes i do :)
[13:42] <GridCube> ok, you can try this then:
[13:43] <GridCube> go to a tty log in and do; sudo service lightdm stop    then launch sudo Xorg -configure    follow the steps and then do sudo reboot
[13:44] <GridCube> you should reboot to a configured by you xorg.conf file
[13:44] <kore_> thanks man! :)
[13:44] <GridCube> (you could avoid the reboot part and do sudo service lightdm start, but i've found it easier just to reboot)
[13:44] <GridCube> if for some reason you cant log in after that
[13:45] <GridCube> you can remove the xorg.conf file from /etc/X11/ by doing mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf xorg.conf.back
[13:46] <kore_> thanks!
[13:54] <Kore_> GridCube: sorry man, didnt work. got an error: number of created screens does not match number of detected devices"
[13:54] <GridCube> what?
[13:54] <GridCube> what command did you used?
[13:55] <Kore_> GridCube: sudo Xorg -configure
[13:55] <recon_lap> ok, locked up again, where would i go with this bug?
[13:55] <GridCube> Kore_, did you stoped lightdm before?
[13:55] <Kore_> GridCube: yes
[13:56] <GridCube> mmm
[13:56] <GridCube> try --configure
[13:56] <GridCube> with two -
[13:56] <Kore_> okay..
[13:59] <Kore__> GridCube: got: fatal server error: unrecognised option: --configure
[13:59] <GridCube> mmm
[13:59] <GridCube> thats so weird
[13:59] <GridCube> so -configure was right
[14:00] <Kore__> yes
[14:00] <GridCube> Kore_, the previous error says that you have more than one gui
[14:00] <GridCube> if lightdm is stoped then it should not tell you that :/
[14:00] <Kore__> gui? screen?
[14:01] <GridCube> yes
[14:01] <GridCube> graphical user interface = gui
[14:01] <Kore__> ok
[14:01] <GridCube> Kore__, what happens if you go to F7
[14:01] <GridCube> (ctrl-alt-f7)
[14:02] <Kore__> noting, i get back to this gui..
[14:02] <GridCube> okay so you didnt stoped it!
[14:03] <GridCube> you need to kill this gui session in order for Xorg -configure to work
[14:03] <GridCube> that what stoping lightdm should do
[14:03] <Kore__> i did, but i am in it again now.. thats how i can talk to you..
[14:03] <GridCube> mmmhm
[14:04] <Kore__> I am going inn and out of x itch time :)
[14:04] <GridCube> Kore__, not really, you are just switching
[14:04] <GridCube> you probably need to log out here
[14:05] <GridCube> now that lightdm is stoped you should NOT be prompted for user/password
[14:05] <GridCube> and X's should remain closed
[14:05] <GridCube> Kore__, you know how to use irssi? or weechat?
[14:06] <GridCube> irssi and weechat are text based irc clients you can install and run from a tty, you launch then write /server irc.ubuntu.com and then /join #xubuntu and you will be back here even if you dont have a gui
[14:12] <recon_lap> what command would give a dump of the hardware on my system for a bug report?
[14:13] <bazhang> sudo lshw   ?
[14:14] <GridCube> sudo lshw
[14:15] <GridCube> recon_lap, ubuntu-bug already takes care of that
[14:15] <kore_> GridCube: I got it working. I mv xconfig file in to xconfig.bak and i ran nvidia-xorg and now evertthing works again.. tahnks man ;)
[14:16] <recon_lap> yep, just found that, bit annoying that it wiped the description I had already written
[14:28] <mona_> hi. I have two issues: my is sometimes dissappearing for a brief moment. This happens especially when the cursor icon is changing to hand or resize or other.. What could be the cause?
[14:29] <GridCube> my? what?
[14:31] <TheSheep> it just disappeared again XD
[14:32] <mona_> lol sry
[14:32] <mona_> cursor1
[14:32] <mona_> !
[14:32] <mona_> cursor
[14:32] <GridCube> oh
[14:32] <TheSheep> mona_: cursor mouse cursor theme perhaps?
[14:32] <Sysi> mona_: virtual machine?
[14:32] <mona_> Sysi, nope, native
[14:33] <mona_> TheSheep, how do you mean?
[14:33] <TheSheep> mona_: in the mouse settings, third tab, you can select how you want your mouse to look like
[14:34] <mona_> TheSheep, the theme is default
[14:35] <mona_> the theme is okay. But the cursor sometimes disappears until i move the mouse again
[14:35] <TheSheep> I think I had it, but I can't remember what was the cause
[14:36] <TheSheep> oh, it was on macosx, ignore me
[14:36] <mona_> other issue:
[14:37] <mona_> chromium-browser is mad and cannot be moved
[14:37] <TheSheep> mad?
[14:37] <mona_> when i go to options, and select "use system borders" its okay, when i deselect it back, its okay again
[14:37] <mona_> but on chromium restart
[14:37] <mona_> it cannot be move again
[14:37] <mona_> i cannot move it
[14:37] <TheSheep> press alt and drag the window
[14:38] <mona_> TheSheep, yes, but well its not the solution really :)
[14:39] <TheSheep> a different window manager theme might help
[14:40] <TheSheep> otherwise, it's probably a bug in xfwm4 or in chromium (or both), and you can report it to have it fixed in the new release
[14:40] <recon_lap> how to you get a new grub.cfg file created after you update /etc/default/grub?
[14:42] <koegs> "sudo update-grub"
[14:42] <recon_lap> wish me luck, if I'm not back it went badly :)
[14:47] <recon_lap> yaa, fixed the backlight control :)
[15:17] <xubuntu777> ok, my desktop has changed into a pink screen, but the window manager is running. i dont have any icons or background. can someone help?
[15:19] <fredom> l
[15:19] <GridCube> fredom, remove nautilus and restart your session
[15:19] <fredom> ok
[15:22] <fredom> thank you, i'll be back if it continues
[15:25] <fredom> should i also remove libnautilus-extension?
[15:25] <GridCube> dunno
[15:26] <fredom> well i've still got the pink screen
[15:26] <GridCube> then do autoremove
[15:26] <GridCube> sudo apt-get autoremove
[15:27] <fredom> one sec i'ma restart whole machine
[15:27] <mona_> Now working towards setting brightness here on acer one. I have added acpi vendor stuff to grub, updated grub, but  /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness: no such file or directory
[15:28] <mona_> what is this madness?
[15:32] <fredom> ok, still a pink screen. also i am having to start my windowmanager and panels from autostart menu. not sure if that has anything to do with it
[15:32] <fredom> and a popup says my panel is running in kiosk mode
[15:33] <GridCube> D:
[15:33] <fredom> yea..
[15:33] <GridCube> fredom, do sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[15:34] <GridCube> it should install you all the default xubuntu packages
[15:34] <GridCube> again
[15:34] <GridCube> then when you log in check that you are using a "xubuntu session"
[15:34] <recon_lap> lol, had the answer to mona_ question, shame they left
[15:34] <GridCube> they?
[15:36] <fredom> multipule personality?
[15:36] <recon_lap> sound better than it :)
[15:37] <fredom> strange, why did xubuntnu desktop get removed..?
[15:37] <fredom> oh well time to restart
[15:43] <mrfre> omg
[15:44] <GridCube> ?
[15:44] <GridCube> what?
[15:44] <fredom> now i have to startup xfdesktop too from the startup menu
[15:44] <fredom> just solved the problem though
[15:44] <GridCube> D:
[15:44] <fredom> wel patched it
[15:44] <GridCube> what?
[15:45] <GridCube> what did you did to your system fredom ?
[15:45] <fredom> hmnn,
[15:45] <GridCube> do you have lightdm running?
[15:46] <fredom> yes
[15:46] <GridCube> :/ do you have xfwm4 runing?
[15:47] <GridCube> xfwm4 --replace probably?
[15:47] <fredom> yes i set that to startup automatically.
[15:47] <fredom> ??
[15:47] <GridCube> to make it the deafult
[15:48] <fredom> mk
[15:49] <GridCube> i dont know, check if loging in with a new test user fix the issues?
[15:52] <fredom> bite me, i do have the panel running
[15:53] <fredom> oh well
[15:53] <fredom> any other essential programs i should check?
[15:54] <fredom> power manager is good. oh how do i set the fan on ac power
[15:55] <fredom> nvr mind
[15:57] <fredom> on the cpu frequency governor applet, when i set a governer from the dropdown box then close the box. it goes back to ondemand
[15:58] <holstein> fredom: it might not ever get changed.. you might not have support for it..
[15:58] <fredom> wait, just saw
[15:58] <fredom> power manager prefer power saving over performance on battery
[15:59] <fredom> omg i cant change the opwer manager settings
[16:00] <fredom> power*
[16:01] <holstein> fredom: i dont seem to have any issues... what have you changed so far from the default setup?
[16:01] <fredom> alot....................
[16:02] <fredom> i havent had problems till recently
[16:02] <mona_> can i somehow enable this command gksudo "setpci -s '00:02.0' F4.B=99"  to be run without the need for sudo?
[16:02] <holstein> fredom: sometimes i make a new user and either look at the config there, or try looking in the live CD
[16:02] <fredom> mk
[16:03] <recon_lap> mona_: you trying to get you brightness control working?
[16:05] <fredom> what program operates the cpu frequency scaling?
[16:06] <fredom> brb
[16:08] <mona_> recon_lap, yes
[16:08] <mona_> the gksudo "setpci -s '00:02.0' F4.B=99"
[16:08] <mona_> works
[16:09] <mona_> so i attached it to keyboard shortcuts
[16:09] <mona_> but its not very elegant, because everytime i invoke it, it asks for passwd
[16:10] <recon_lap> mona_: this might be a help https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Debugging/Backlight , depends on what you problem is? is it the brightness applet not working or just the shortcut keys?
[16:12] <mona_> recon_lap, bothj
[16:12] <TheSheep> mona_: xbright doesn't work?
[16:13] <recon_lap> mona_: you should work through that guide, depending on you video driver you can get the proper fix
[16:13] <TheSheep> (or was it xbrightness?)
[16:14] <recon_lap> mona_: fn + right arrow/left arrow are the default keys for changing brightness
[16:30] <Marzata> in Action Buttons applet it says Lock, but there is no lock?
[16:30] <Mathias> recon_lap: is it?
[16:30] <Mathias> isn't it usually fn+left/right ?
[16:32] <recon_lap> Mathias: ?? searches keyboard for key with "left" or "right" on it :P
[16:33] <Mathias> recon_lap: i think you know what i mean :P
[16:40] <recon_lap> Mathias: can't really answer, I'v got two keyboards, one got a Fn key , the other does not, works fine with the Fn key
[16:43] <baizon> any ideas, i set grub to nomodeset, now i can only choose between 2 resolutions?
[16:44] <Sysi> KMS doesn't work with nomodeset and your xorg is missing it or config
[16:46] <baizon> ok
[16:46] <baizon> so i cant enable this option?
[16:47] <Sysi> you need to add modelines to xorg.conf if you can't use nomodeset
[16:47] <Sysi> *if you have to use
[16:51] <Monte_Cristo> hi. how can i uninstall the grub of xubuntu? which command could I use?
[16:58] <baizon> Sysi: thanks
[16:58] <baizon> Monte_Cristo: you cant uninstall grub, or your system wont boot
[16:59] <recon_lap> Monte_Cristo: you need to be a bit clearer about what your trying to do.
[17:03] <Monte_Cristo> i installed ubuntu on my notebook, and now in the netbook i have windows 7 and xubuntu in dual boot. windows 7 will not boot up. I want xubuntu uninstall, and reinstall windows 7. I created a live usb with the package of windows 7, but when I start the netbook from usb windows live, I get a screen that says xubuntu Default. And I can not reinstall windows.
[17:04] <koegs> then you did not boot from the usb
[17:05] <recon_lap> Monte_Cristo: you should check the BIOS to see what the boot order is
[17:06] <recon_lap> Monte_Cristo: And personally I've never hear of windows booting from a usb? but I'm out of touch with windows
[17:06] <Monte_Cristo> recon_lap of course
[17:07] <koegs> win7 can be installed from usb, win8 even can be installed on a usb
[17:08] <Monte_Cristo> win7 can be installed from usb, i downloaded the iso from the official web site, and i have the installation key
[17:08] <Monte_Cristo> I'm sorry, but in my netbook, xubuntu is very slow, unlike windows 7. so I decided not to give up linux and install ubuntu on the notebook. but I want the netbook windows seven!
[17:09] <recon_lap> yep, software companies coping the open source movement and charging people for their innovative updates :)
[17:09] <recon_lap> copying*
[17:10] <Monte_Cristo> I do not care about this
[17:10] <recon_lap> Monte_Cristo: no worries , linux is not for everyone, and seems it's not for you laptop anyway :)
[17:10] <koegs> Monte_Cristo: this is not a xubuntu problem, make sure you have the installer right on the usb and check your boot settings
[17:11] <koegs> windows will overwrite grub during installation
[17:12] <Monte_Cristo> koegs, I know this
[17:17] <Monte_Cristo> koegs, when i change the order in bios, and start the machine, a screen 'xubuntu' appears, with the word default and a countdown timer that wakes up to infinity. later, if I remove the usb, 'xubuntu' starts normally. In the notebook, where I installed ubuntu, I tried to create more time live usb win7, I tried to re-download the package. I think it's a problem with grub. I am convinced that, if I remove the grub, the machine would
[17:17] <Monte_Cristo>  be able to access the live usb.
[17:18] <koegs> Monte_Cristo: no it is not, check your netbook and see if you can get a bios boot menu or something
[17:18] <koegs> this happens before grub
[17:19] <recon_lap> Monte_Cristo: well if you're convinced, format the drive and grub is gone. It's not booting from USB for some reason, because if it was you would not be seeing grub.
[17:20] <koegs> i think the netbook is not able to boot from the usb for some reason and that is why it is loading grub from the harddrive
[17:20] <Monte_Cristo> but because if I give priority in bios to the usb, and boot the machine from the live win7, it seems a strange screen xubuntu?
[17:20] <Monte_Cristo> *why,not because
[17:20] <Monte_Cristo> ok
[17:21] <recon_lap> Monte_Cristo: are you sure you dont have grub on the USB instead of windows?
[17:21] <koegs> Monte_Cristo: see if you can get some bios boot menu where you can clearly select the usb stick to boot
[17:21] <koegs> if this fails, your configuration on the stick is wrong :)
[17:22] <Monte_Cristo> recon_lap, i'm sure, i formatted more time the usb and installed twice the
[17:22] <Monte_Cristo> iso win7
[17:22] <recon_lap> Monte_Cristo: and have you booted this laptop from USB before?
[17:23] <Monte_Cristo> koegs, i've already done, i selected the usb, In recent weeks I've done that many times
[17:24] <Monte_Cristo> recon lap, yes, more times..
[17:24] <koegs> Monte_Cristo: i am sorry to say that but then there is something wrong with your usb or the way you put win7 on the usb, this is not a problem of xubuntu or grub :(
[17:25] <Monte_Cristo> ok
[17:25] <recon_lap> Monte_Cristo: well, have you checked the partitions, because you may have more than one
[17:28] <Monte_Cristo> my four partitions are distributed as follows: 1) windows (does not work anymore, for some reason) 2) Windows recovery (even this does not work anymore) 3) always dedicated to windows, I do not know what (does not work anymore even) 4) partition for xubuntu, having therein two logical partitions: one for xubuntu, the other for swap. These last two only unique to operate
[17:29] <recon_lap> Monte_Cristo: I meant on the USB :)
[17:29] <Monte_Cristo> i formatted the usb
[17:29] <Monte_Cristo> before
[17:30] <recon_lap> Monte_Cristo: you formatted a partition, if there are more than one partition which did you format?
[17:32] <Monte_Cristo> no
[17:35] <Monte_Cristo> I selected the usb from the side menu of ubuntu and I set up the formatting. I did not create partitions in usb, and in fact the machine does not ask me which partition to format. it formats everything.
[17:35] <Monte_Cristo> there is a way to uninstall xubuntu, or a command to uninstall the grub? if I act in this way, as soon as I will start the machine by usb win7, would not appear the screen xubuntu, and perhaps, would start win7
[17:35] <GridCube> format it
[17:35] <TheSheep> !mbr
[17:36] <TheSheep> it also tells how to remove grub
[17:36] <Monte_Cristo> I hope
[17:36] <koegs> Monte_Cristo: how do you put win7 on the usb-stick?
[17:36] <koegs> still, this is not a matter of grub...
[17:36] <GridCube> koegs, theres an usb-installer from microsoft
[17:37] <koegs> GridCube: i know, but i want to know what Monte_Cristo does ;-)
[17:38] <Monte_Cristo> koegs, ohh!! with Unebootin of ubuntu. perhaps that is the problem?
[17:39] <recon_lap> lol
[17:39] <Monte_Cristo> when the machine show me the world Default with the count down, show also the word Unebootin
[17:39] <Monte_Cristo> but I can not figure out where i mistake
[17:40] <koegs> there are serveral reports that win7.iso + unetbootin does not always work
[17:40] <koegs> do you have another windows-pc?
[17:40] <recon_lap> Monte_Cristo: burn the ISO to the usb again, but burn it as just a ISO from a DVD writing app
[17:41] <koegs> wtf recon_lap?
[17:41] <koegs> "burn to usb" with a dvd burner app??? :D
[17:41] <Monte_Cristo> koegs, no
[17:42] <Monte_Cristo> recon_lap i don't understand what you wrote, sorry
[17:45] <recon_lap> Monte_Cristo: ok, looked it up, not going to work :(
[17:46] <recon_lap> http://www.addictivetips.com/windows-tips/install-windows-7-from-usb-drive-requires-2-simple-steps/
[17:48] <GridCube> he "CAN" make a booteable is using unetbootin
[17:48] <GridCube> i've done it
[17:48] <GridCube> it works
[17:50] <recon_lap> still, I'd be checking the ISO for errors and using windows tool at this stage
[17:50] <bazhang> and joining ##windows
[22:11] <lib> anyone know of a way to use expose in xubuntu xfce?
[22:12] <ochosi> lib: you mean as in osx's expose effect of showing all open windows?
[22:12] <lib> yeah
[22:12] <ochosi> there was/is skippy-xd
[22:12] <ochosi> it's kinda stable, wouldn't 100% recommend it though
[22:13] <ochosi> i guess the best shot you have at this is by using compiz
[22:13] <lib> yeah i saw it but the website seems to be down http://thegraveyard.org/skippy.html
[22:13] <ochosi> no, there's one at code.google.com
[22:13] <lib> i wasnt sure if it was still maintained
[22:13] <ochosi> someone applied a few patches
[22:13] <ochosi> but i don't think it's actually that well-maintained
[22:14] <lib> hmm thanks for the info. ill give it a try
[22:14] <ochosi> yeah, but don't complain about it ;)
[22:15] <ochosi> (there should even be ready-to-install debian/ubuntu packages of skippy-xd there...)
[22:15] <lib> thnaks
[22:15] <ochosi> np
[22:19] <lib> ochosi: i clicked the .deb file and There isn’t a software package called “file:” in your current software sources.
[22:28] <ochosi> lib: you can use "sudo dpkg -i $path-to-your-deb-file" if you want
[22:28] <ochosi> but dpkg -i doesn't take care of dependencies
[22:28] <ochosi> you have to manually install those via synaptic or something like that
[22:29] <Unit193> sudo apt-get install -f for that.
[22:29] <lib> thanks again linux jedi master
[22:30]  * ochosi wasn't aware of Unit193's nickname
[22:31] <Unit193> J,,,?
[23:11] <GridCube> i dont understand why im not getting the html5 videos on youtube :/ i've applied on youtube.com/html5 but i still see all the videos, even the most new ones as flash
[23:16] <drc> iirc, you have to allow youtube cookies for the html5 settings to take/last.
[23:16] <drc> I always forget that :(
[23:17] <Unit193> May want to check back there, and at html5test.com
[23:18] <GridCube> 363 and 9 bonus points
[23:18] <GridCube> is that good?
[23:20] <drc> beats me...no, really, I got 346+9
[23:20] <Unit193> 373+9
[23:20] <Unit193> GridCube: Look at the video section.
[23:20] <Unit193> youtube.com/html5 has it too.
[23:21] <GridCube> yes i have that all, if log in using my brother's google user i get to see the html5 videos
[23:21] <GridCube> :/ but not from my user
[23:21] <GridCube> can it be tnat NON of all the videos i see are rendered to webm?
[23:22] <v1adimir> GridCube: there are /very/ little html5 ones, you sure you're viewing the same one?..
[23:22] <GridCube> but wasnt it that all the new uploads where on webm?
[23:22] <v1adimir> i mean the same link as the one that works on your bro's
[23:23] <GridCube> oh okay
[23:23] <GridCube> yes
[23:23] <GridCube> :/
[23:23] <GridCube> thats weird
[23:23] <v1adimir> heh
[23:23] <v1adimir> GridCube: 0k, how about trying it with another browser; have you got another one installed?
[23:24] <Unit193> http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=kitties&aq=f&webm=1  Try that.
[23:24] <GridCube> sure, but i've figured it, its just that none of my subscriptions upload webm
[23:51] <strtok> so after upgrading from 12.04 to 12.10 final beta, my mac pro is bricked :)
[23:52] <strtok> oops, nevermind, my bad
[23:52] <Unit193> How so? Or not.
[23:52] <strtok> was issues with reffit
[23:52] <strtok> phew!


[03:46] <faina> I'm trying to build packages for the firefox sync server, and have a question about packaging python mako templates.
[03:48] <faina> should the templates be compiled to .py files and then included -- done some how in the debian/rules, or should I try to figure out some where to cache them when compiled after installation?
[12:24] <maxb> Hm, if a package was removed from Debian in plenty of time before DebianImportFreeze, and there are no ubuntu modifications, shouldn't it have automatically been removed from oneiric too?
[12:43] <jtaylor> I don't think its automatic
[12:43] <jtaylor> must be requested
[12:43] <tumbleweed> maxb: removal isn't automatic, archive admins occasionally look at removals in Debian
[12:43] <tumbleweed> it's not necessary to explicitly request it when Debian has removed it
[13:09] <maxb> ah
[14:05] <bdrung> persia: re your dmb mail: all this should be documented somewhere (e.g. wiki page)
[15:12] <ansgar> Does Ubuntu already allow packages (both source and binary) to use XZ compression?
[18:13] <persia> bdrung: Absolutely.  If the TB doesn't change it, let's put it in the wiki
[18:14] <Laney> Basically it's what (most of us) thought we were doing anyway.
[18:14] <Laney> but thanks for spelling it out
[18:14] <persia> I should probably rely less on memetic transmission and more on documentation :)
[18:15] <Laney> at least it's in the ML archives
[18:15] <Laney> that's a form of documentation.
[18:16] <persia> I thought it was in the minutes of some meeting before.  Anyway, we should have iut in the wiki, as we'll forget again in another couple years.
[18:18] <Laney> yep. after the tb speaks.
[18:23] <faina> I was trying to build a debian package of the firefox sync server and ran into a python packaging policy question. They're using mako templates which compile to .py files. I was trying to figure out if it'd be better to compile the templates into the package, compile them into a cache directory at runtime on the installed systemm, or compile them when the package is installed.
[18:28] <persia> faina: Create the .py files at build time.  Let the system generate the .pyc files at install time.  Do not build anything at package creation time.
[18:30] <faina> Ok, I'd almost convinced myself that the template compiling should be done at install time, as that'd be like the current .py -> .pyc policy.
[18:30] <faina> But I think compiling at build time would be a lot easier
[18:31] <persia> Indeed.  Saves lots of compute cycles worldwide.
[18:32] <faina> why is there the build .pyc at install-time policy? Oh... because you don't know which versions of python are installed
[18:32] <persia> Right :)
[18:33] <faina> thank you... I've been trying to figure out a good answer to that question for a couple of days
[22:33] <jMCg> Hello happy people.
[22:34] <jMCg> I'm a traffic server dev, and I'm trying to repro this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=632546
[22:35] <jMCg> On Natty this builds fine, so if I get this right, these symbols don't exist in Natty's libssl.
[22:36] <tumbleweed> jMCg: daemonkeeper was just asking the same questions in #debian-ubuntu on OFTC
[22:37] <jMCg> tumbleweed: I'll be there for less.. uh.. stuff.
[22:37] <tumbleweed> you'll only see this occur in pre-release natty or oneiric. ld stopped using --as-needed by default for natty release, because not all packages were building yet