[01:44] <chibihogoshino> hows the convention cyberanger ?
[03:00] <netritious> howdy locotn
[03:08] <wrst> howdy netritious
[03:08] <netritious> how are things wrst?
[03:08] <wrst> pretty good how are you doing netritious?
[03:09] <netritious> pretty good
[03:09] <netritious> went to the meetup today
[03:09] <wrst> how was it?
[03:19] <netritious> wrst: pretty good
[03:19] <netritious> didn't exactly go as planned either, but I'll be more prepared next time....
[03:19] <wrst> cool, a loco meetup?
[03:19] <netritious> was invited back at least
[03:19] <netritious> and thanks again to Midsouth Makers for having me
[03:19] <netritious> wrst: yes
[03:20] <wrst> cool netritious
[03:25] <netritious> I kept trying to clone a usb thumb drive to another usb thumb drive that was oh so slightly smaller
[03:25] <netritious> clonezilla was not happy about it
[03:26] <netritious> if I would have had thought about it, I would have just resized the source usb thumb drive, but didn't think about it until I was on the way home lol
[03:36] <wrst> haha your thumb drive is awesome
[03:41] <netritious> :)
[03:41] <netritious> wrst: I'm reading now about how to backup and restore a MBR using dd, and also how puppy uses grub4dos by default
[03:42] <wrst> hmm backup and restoring the MBR that's cool stuff
[03:43]  * netritious gets a little nervous when dd and MBR are mentioned in the same sentence :P
[03:43] <wrst> well yeah :)
[03:43] <wrst> dd scares me a little anyway
[03:44] <netritious> I'm trying to figure out if it's even possible to install grub4dos using ubuntu
[03:45] <netritious> I haven't just had a whole lot of luck with it, but then again I have no idea what I'm doing lol..i kinda do but reminds me of old days with norton disk doctor trying to fix mbr
[03:46] <netritious> well not as bad as that, but bad enough hehe
[03:46] <netritious> anyway trying to figure it out now
[03:48] <wrst> what exactly is grub4dos netritious?
[04:02] <netritious> wrst: it's a bootloader like grub
[04:03] <netritious> a little more flexible than grub or grub2, at least that's what I keep reading
[04:06] <wrst> hmm cool
[04:06] <wrst> well i don't have a real high opinion of grub2 but it seems to be improving
[04:15] <netritious> I agree
[04:16] <netritious> for a while there I was removing grub2 and installing grub
[04:50] <netritious> nite everyone...afk
[05:36] <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: sweet
[15:13] <orangeninja> Hello
[15:29] <chibihogoshino> hello orangeninja
[15:29] <orangeninja> hi
[15:29] <chibihogoshino> whats up ?
[15:31] <orangeninja> nothing much....
[15:31] <orangeninja> just kicking around the idea of making my hp dv6775us laptop all Ubuntu with 10.10
[15:32] <orangeninja> i have it deul booted with 10.04 and vista right now
[15:32] <chibihogoshino> nice
[15:33] <orangeninja> anything I should look out for?
[15:35] <chibihogoshino> id try out the live install and make sher everything works ok..
[15:35] <chibihogoshino> i havent ran 10.10 yet so im not up on what all has changed..
[15:35] <orangeninja> what are you running?
[15:35] <chibihogoshino> 10.04
[15:36] <chibihogoshino> from what i saw they didnt change much so im going to wait till the next release .. that should be a big update
[15:37] <orangeninja> hmmm, maybe I should just use 10.04 myself
[15:38] <orangeninja> just got to find the old iso again.....ha
[15:38] <chibihogoshino> you need the download page ?
[15:39] <orangeninja> naw, I got that, I am dloading 10.10 right now from it
[15:39] <chibihogoshino> ah
[15:39] <chibihogoshino> when more people come back online in here you could ask them about 1010
[15:42] <orangeninja> yeah, I really have no idea
[15:42] <orangeninja> I just really started messing with Linux seriously..
[15:43] <chibihogoshino> cool
[15:44] <chibihogoshino> what got you interested in linux ?
[15:47] <orangeninja> hmmm well
[15:48] <orangeninja> I guess, IT security type stuff. and it being free.
[15:49] <chibihogoshino> security is a good part of it ..
[15:50] <chibihogoshino> i like how you can change anything about it, look at all the code and get help with almost anything
[15:51] <orangeninja> I just have a genuine interest in computers and I like messing around with them when I can.
[15:51] <orangeninja> I also like that too. it seems you make Linux what you want it to be.
[15:53] <chibihogoshino> yeah.. especially if you run arch or crunch bang .. doing a manual install, you learn allot
[15:55] <orangeninja> yeah, I did a gentoo years ago, got it working for an hour or so but crashed the xorg and never got it up again. I used the online documantaion to do it step by step.
[15:56] <chibihogoshino> x can be picky
[15:57] <orangeninja> yeah old nvidia drivers about 5 or 6 years ago
[15:57] <orangeninja> I think I tried to change the resolution to something other that 800x600 and that crashed it. I had cli but I new nothing at all back then.
[15:57] <chibihogoshino> i never had a problem with nvivia .. ati
[15:58] <chibihogoshino> ati i did but they have gotten allot better
[15:58] <chibihogoshino> did you edit the xconfig ?
[15:59] <orangeninja> ha, I tried several things I just know I broke it.
[15:59] <chibihogoshino> ah..
[16:00] <chibihogoshino> it could be refresh rate, monitor or video card timing..
[16:00] <chibihogoshino> color depth..
[16:00] <orangeninja> the community was as helpful as they could be with a guy on his first experiance with linux. I have no idea why I tried that.
[16:00] <chibihogoshino> its great you got it working tho
[16:01] <orangeninja> well they had documantation online so i just followed that word for word from another computer.
[16:02] <orangeninja> ahhh I know why I did it....
[16:04] <chibihogoshino> whys that ?
[16:05] <orangeninja> a book called hacking: the art of exploitation Jon Erickson he said he used Gentoo so I had to get it. HA ha ha
[16:05] <orangeninja> http://www.amazon.com/Hacking-Art-Exploitation-Jon-Erickson/dp/1593271441/ref=pd_sim_b_9
[16:05] <chibihogoshino> ahh :-)
[16:06] <chibihogoshino> its got good reviews
[16:09] <orangeninja> yeah it was good. I guess that is also what helped open my eyes to linux
[16:09] <chibihogoshino> did you read it all ?
[16:11] <orangeninja> no, I read probably half skipping here and there. at the time I knew nothing of linux, and I still know nothing of assembly or and kind of programming.
[16:12] <orangeninja> I did understand his section of buffer overflows and why they worked. but I could not create one or anything,
[16:12] <chibihogoshino> cool..
[16:13] <chibihogoshino> i dont know how that works..
[16:13] <chibihogoshino> iv tried learning programing but it never worked out
[16:14] <orangeninja> well I have "looked" into it too. but never really stayed with it.
[16:17] <chibihogoshino> i like python
[16:18] <chibihogoshino> im trying to learn that but its going slow
[16:18] <orangeninja> is python the one everyone says you should start with?
[16:21] <chibihogoshino> i think so
[16:21] <chibihogoshino> you can do allot with it
[16:28] <chibihogoshino> what part of tn are you in ?
[16:38] <orangeninja> Im in Nashville
[16:38] <orangeninja> you?
[16:39] <chibihogoshino> knoxville
[16:45] <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: yea python
[16:45] <chibihogoshino> yeah if i can figure it out
[17:07] <orangeninja> how far are you into learning it chibihogoshino?
[17:11] <chibihogoshino> how far ?
[17:11] <chibihogoshino> i would like to make some gui aps if i can
[17:14] <orangeninja> just beginning?
[17:14] <chibihogoshino> yeah
[17:17] <orangeninja> on youtube I searched Python Programming and found a playlist with 43 videos. Pretty good too.
[17:17] <chibihogoshino> yeah
[17:17] <chibihogoshino> i need to find a book or something that makes it make sense to my brain
[17:24] <chibihogoshino> oh.. cyberanger do you remember who was having a problem with the google search dns redirects with comcast ?
[17:25] <chibihogoshino> this guy reminds me of rodney mckay
[17:25] <chibihogoshino> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKTZoB2Vjuk
[17:42] <orangeninja> print 'I'\m just a computer, I can\'t understand.' this guy is cracking me up
[18:02] <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: not offhand
[18:02] <cyberanger> but I don't recall anything dns related in here recently
[18:03] <chibihogoshino> ahh.. i was looking at it again and you can disable the redirect in the comcast user account settings
[18:03] <cyberanger> aside from myself, between dns hijacking and OpenNIC
[18:03] <chibihogoshino> heh
[18:06] <cyberanger> intresting, esp if it's not a cookie
[18:09] <cyberanger> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/08/comcasts-dns-redirect-service-goes-nationwide.ars
[18:10] <cyberanger> I like the MAC address method, but they need to simplify it for avg joe
[18:10] <cyberanger> or make it opt in
[18:16] <chibihogoshino> yeah
[18:45] <cyberanger> it really needs to be opt in
[18:45] <cyberanger> not opt out
[18:45] <cyberanger> it can cause so many issues
[18:46] <cyberanger> thus why I was being real careful doing it here
[18:46] <cyberanger> targetting two subdomains
[18:47] <cyberanger> ideally next year I'll have apublic ubuntu mirror
[18:47] <cyberanger> and just do it to my own subdomains
[18:47] <cyberanger> and change apt here
[18:48] <cyberanger> there was no issues in doing it small scale, but was it standards compliant, no
[18:48] <cyberanger> and the hotel breaks standardswith a captive portal
[18:48] <cyberanger> but an isp, ugh
[20:43] <chibihogoshino> dns should be locally cached along with the web site name only remotely looked up if the site is not known.. the web site should also give its web address to verify that is the site you are trying to reach.
[20:49] <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: true, ideally
[20:50] <cyberanger> but that's gotta be suppported, and with a long ttl
[20:50] <chibihogoshino> yeah
[20:52] <chibihogoshino> unlimited ttl would be ok since it would expire when the page cant be found or the website name changed
[21:33] <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: that's not true
[21:33] <cyberanger> if it's a dns cacheing server, or client
[21:33] <cyberanger> since it's not a dns issue
[21:33] <chibihogoshino> if the web pages publish the web site name to verify the address youll know if your at the right one or not
[21:33] <cyberanger> routing issue or daemon issue usually
[21:36] <cyberanger> the only way to sidestep a cache with a bad result is purge it and query the authoritive nameserver
[21:37] <cyberanger> there were some attacks where the ttl was set to 68 years
[21:37] <chibihogoshino> thats how it works now ..
[21:38] <cyberanger> and hotspots hijack dns for a captive portal in some setups, set the ttl to 60 sec. or less
[21:39] <chibihogoshino> what would that matter if your computer didnt check a external dns server ?
[21:42] <cyberanger> the long ttl, I hijack the dns server on a hotspot, set the ttl to 68 years for facebook.com, but point it at porn or an attack site
[21:43] <cyberanger> and you leave the hotspot, still a long ttl
[21:43] <chibihogoshino> if my computer isnt looking at that and getting the ip from its own cache that wont matter
[21:43] <cyberanger> and since I was the authoritive server, nothing upstream to check
[21:44] <cyberanger> yes, but I took advantage of the hotspots captive portal
[21:44] <cyberanger> you were firewalled off
[21:44] <cyberanger> queried the dns server dhcp told you of
[21:45] <chibihogoshino> ok
[21:46] <cyberanger> it's a system needing overhauls for sure
[21:46] <chibihogoshino> did you tell them ?
[21:48] <cyberanger> but if you cache my site, www.zachgibbens.geek, to my ip for a long time, it'll resolve to my current server, what would tell it of my other server
[21:48] <cyberanger> like if I moved my mailserver from google to my own, or something
[21:49] <cyberanger> tell who, ICANN?
[21:49] <chibihogoshino> it would check with the external dns server
[21:50] <chibihogoshino> but the web pages would verify them self with a key so you know your at the right site
[21:50] <chibihogoshino> like they kinda do now
[21:50] <cyberanger> everyone high enough in the chain knows, dnssec extensions is the current patch
[21:52] <cyberanger> well, if a webserver has ssl, it validates it
[21:52] <cyberanger> but that's not the current system for http or dns
[21:53] <cyberanger> except with dnssec
[21:53] <cyberanger> but the cache trusts the ttl
[21:53] <chibihogoshino> http://www.dnssec.comcast.net/
[21:53] <chibihogoshino> heh
[21:54] <cyberanger> my cached result for mail will still resolve to google, and since the route works, the ttl is good
[21:54] <cyberanger> it won't goto my box
[21:54] <cyberanger> until the ttl runs out
[21:55] <chibihogoshino> ehh
[21:55] <chibihogoshino> i dont like this
[21:55] <cyberanger> but when I change, wit a reasonable value, it'll update
[21:56] <cyberanger> well, it's a system of trust
[21:56] <chibihogoshino> its taking control out of the users hands
[21:56] <cyberanger> dns has allways been outside the users hands
[21:57] <chibihogoshino> the verification process is done through the isp with dnssec tho
[21:57] <cyberanger> cause it replaced the hosts file in the early days
[21:57] <cyberanger> something the admin did
[21:58] <cyberanger> or I can sidestep the isp, and run dnssec
[21:59] <cyberanger> as a cacheing server
[21:59] <cyberanger> once the entire root is signed, it'll work
[22:00] <cyberanger> but just like ipv4 to ipv6, it's not overnight
[22:00] <chibihogoshino> how big would that be tho
[22:01] <cyberanger> bandwidth, disk space, memory, fine by todays standards
[22:01] <cyberanger> but dns's early days, no way
[22:02] <cyberanger> and it took a long time for alot of the attacks to be found
[22:04]  * chris4585 pokes wrst
[22:04] <cyberanger> it's just a core service with them found now
[22:05] <cyberanger> literally core, without going back to hosts files and remembering ip addresses
[22:07] <chibihogoshino> hmm
[22:07] <cyberanger> or a replacement


[01:44] <ali1234> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19085980
[01:44] <ali1234> this story makes no sense and is so technical that it clearly went over the head of the journalist and everyone reading it
[01:45] <ali1234> i have no idea what it even means or why they even bothered to write it
[01:46] <ali1234> ok, so reading the original story explains it: the algorithm automatically makes articulated "action figures" from skeleton weighted mesh animations
[01:47] <ali1234> but geez, the story is so convoluted...
[06:54] <AlanBell> morning all
[06:55] <AlanBell> that is an odd story ali1234, the whole copyright thing makes zero sense
[06:55] <ali1234> as i said, if you read the original press release it makes perfect sense
[06:55] <ali1234> but they've tried to simplify it for laymen, to the point where all sense is lost
[06:56] <ali1234> and the copyright angle is i guess just thrown in to make it more than a crazy ball of nonsense
[06:56] <ali1234> well, press release makes sense if you're familiar with skeletal animation systems and 3d printers anyway
[06:57] <ali1234> once you understand that, the copyright thing makes sense. cos ripping the meshes and animation from games is easy
[06:57] <ali1234> they do it all the time and make papercraft models
[06:58] <ali1234> but those aren't posable like an action figure, which is what this new tech does
[06:58] <ali1234> so now chinese can rip game graphics and make off-license action figures without paying for an expensive designer
[06:58] <ali1234> the 3d printing aspect isn't so important there, they have proper factories :)
[06:59] <christel> good morning
[07:05] <AlanBell> ali1234: yeah, I understand copyright and 3d printing, just don't see why the article said copyright would be a problem unless microsoft/sony use it, when it is a pixar funded project and those others have nothing to do with it
[07:05] <diplo> Morning all
[07:05] <ali1234> yeah, they're just fishing for a reason to actually post it
[07:06] <ali1234> i expect the copyeditors will show up for work soon and clean it up or remove it entirely
[07:06] <ali1234> it's painfully obvious that the journalists post all the bad articles after they finish work
[07:11] <diplo> I'm in a oh why did I drink so much last night feeling this morning
[07:11] <diplo> :/
[07:11] <christel> good morning diplo :)
[07:12] <ali1234> oh here's another great one: "what would ernest shackleton have tweeted?"
[07:12] <ali1234> "it's rly rly cold lol"
[07:15] <christel> when i finish building my reprap i shall print 3d models of all of you
[07:15]  * christel nods
[07:32] <diplo> Quiet in here again this morning, crumpets aren't helping much with soaking up the booze :(
[07:35] <christel> diplo: you need to add bacon :)
[07:40] <diplo> I have bacon, but at home :(
[07:40] <christel> aww
[07:41] <christel> you should always carry bacon with you my dear!
[07:41] <diplo> And I was dubious whether I'd get to work on time as it was, let alone cooking bacon as well
[07:41]  * christel hugs diplo
[07:41] <diplo> If we had a grill or hob I would have some here, just a toaster and microwave :/
[08:03] <ali1234> you can make bacon in the microwave
[08:06] <diplo> Calling what we have herre a microwave may have been to kind :)
[08:11] <ali1234> i INSIST that you cook some bacon in the microwave
[08:12] <christel> i'm with ali1234 on this one
[08:13] <JamesTait> Good morning all! :)
[08:13] <christel> GOOD MORNING HANDSOME <3
[08:13]  * christel hugs JamesTait
[08:13]  * JamesTait hugs christel back
[08:14] <christel> how are you this fine morning? :D
[08:14] <JamesTait> Tired. :( But only two more days to work and then two weeks off.
[08:15] <JamesTait> Not sure if that'll help with the tired or make it worse. ;)
[08:15] <JamesTait> How's christel?
[08:15] <christel> oooh do you have amazing holiday plans? :D
[08:15] <christel> she is well! i am doctoring a heavy head by applying vast quantities of bacon!
[08:16] <directhex> nursing.
[08:16] <directhex> "doctoring" means "faking" for some reason. one nurses one's head after too much gin.
[08:16] <JamesTait> Well, she may be doctoring it as well. :-P
[08:17] <christel> haha
[08:17] <christel> i have little faith in nurses!
[08:17]  * bigcalm slowly awakens
[08:17] <JamesTait> christel: No holiday plans, really.  Very arm-wavy discussions about camping for a night, going to Gulliver's Kingdom and maybe making a trip to London to see what we can see of the Olympic atmosphere.
[08:18] <christel> :D
[08:18] <christel> gosh i havent been camping for years, used to love it!
[08:18] <JamesTait> I expect most of it will be spent catching up on things around the house.  My office needs a good clean out and tidy up, and then I might even be able to get the ceiling done.
[08:18] <christel> go camping!
[08:18] <christel> hehe
[08:19] <christel> morning bigclam :)
[08:19] <bigcalm> Ewwo christel :)
[08:19] <diplo> I'm taking my kids camping next weekend!
[08:19] <christel> diplo: :D
[08:19] <diplo> Not sure if this is a good or bad thing yet
[08:19] <christel> bigcalm: you never came back last night! *sulk*
[08:20] <JamesTait> The boys are all for camping.  I am too, but I worry that they won't be when we actually do it.
[08:20] <dwatkins> whereabouts, diplo? North or South?
[08:20] <bigcalm> christel: I'm so sorry :'(
[08:20] <christel> diplo: you'll have lots of fun i am sure -- where are you off to or is that undecided?
[08:20] <bigcalm> christel: I wanted to, but I ended up being a taxi man
[08:20] <bigcalm> christel: were you on there all night?
[08:21] <diplo> South wales : http://www.threecliffsbay.com
[08:21] <christel> bigcalm: sad as it would be to admit to it.. yes :x
[08:21] <diplo> Well I'm about to phone them up when I sober up a little more, they had places last week
[08:21] <bigcalm> christel: better than drinking alone :D
[08:21] <diplo> Swansea specifically
[08:22] <diplo> Only thing I am worried about is doing it with just me with the kids, guess I'm finding it a little daunting.
[08:23] <christel> diplo: oh that looks beautiful :)
[08:23] <dwatkins> My brother's on holiday in Cardiff this week. Apparently it's raining :(
[08:23] <diplo> That's my two other issues, is putting up the tent ( still not sure I can do it on my own ) and really don't want it to rain :(
[08:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> hmmm... Wales = Rain.
[08:25] <dwatkins> TheOpenSourcerer: I once drove over the Severn Bridge into Wales - it started raining the second we finished crossing the bridge
[08:25] <diplo> Well I wanted to go to Weymouth area but not exactly the best week for it at the mo
[08:25] <christel> dwatkins: haha
[08:25] <christel> morning TheOpenSourcer \o/
[08:25] <dwatkins> "Oh look, Wales has a burger place near the bridge.. aaaand it's raining already"
[08:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> I begrudge having to pay to get INTO Wales.
[08:26] <dwatkins> It would be nice not to have to pay for repeated visits, or if you're descended from Welsh families like mw.
[08:26] <diplo> I begrudge paying so much when the bridge itself is now paid off
[08:26] <diplo> I know it needs upkeep, but it's getting kind of dear to cross now.
[08:27] <dwatkins> There's a bridge in Berkshire they charge you 20p to cross. It's a small one, mind.
[08:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> We went over a small toll bridge a few weeks ago in Oxfordshire - 5p ;-)
[08:28] <dwatkins> haha which one, TheOpenSourcerer?
[08:28] <JamesTait> TheOpenSourcerer: I know that place!
[08:28] <christel> i think i've only driven across a couple of times.. but then i usually only go to wales for rugby or cricket and then more so when i lived in bristol so it was easier to hop on a train and then drink vast quantities of beer whilst there :s
[08:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> Somewhere between Oxford and Banbury
[08:28] <christel> sadly i've not been to enjoy much of the welsh countryside
[08:28] <JamesTait> TheOpenSourcerer: There was a rumour that they were thinking of selling it.  Been in the family for generations, apparently.
[08:28] <dwatkins> Wales is lovely, Scotland's beautiful.
[08:29] <dwatkins> (yes, I appreciate that I'm saying that having recently mentioned that my ancestors are Welsh...)
[08:29] <KungFuPanda> morning guys
[08:29] <hoover> Morning all
[08:30] <dwatkins> hiya
[08:30] <christel> dwatkins: scotland i've seen more of :)
[08:30] <christel> it reminds me of home :)
[08:30] <dwatkins> christel: I live in Edinburgh - even the drive to work has an awesome view :D
[08:30] <dwatkins> where's home, christel?
[08:30] <christel> oh i bet! i <3 edinburgh
[08:31] <christel> northern norway :)
[08:31] <dwatkins> ooh neat
[08:31] <dwatkins> I spent a week in Stavanger once, that had great scenery, I imagine it's just more awesome in the north.
[08:32] <KungFuPanda> yesterday, I still can run 2 instance of skype under ubuntu. but not today ?
[08:32]  * dwatkins finds a random place in nothern Norway and confirms this is the case: http://goo.gl/maps/TSz6h
[08:32] <JamesTait> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.78939&lon=-1.35358&zoom=17 is the place, I think.
[08:32] <christel> i grew up in a tiny place in the very slim part of norway so we kind of get "everything" (coast, sweden, large glaciers, stunning mountains, the arctic circle, some pretty nifty caves etc etc and of course northern lights *and* midnight sun depending on the time of year!)
[08:33] <dwatkins> excellent, christel
[08:33] <JamesTait> christel: Sounds really boring. :-P
[08:33] <JamesTait> christel: As compared to our rain, rain, rain, grey skies, rain, OOH LOOK - SUN!, oh no more rain....
[08:33] <christel> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svartisen is like five minutes walk from our house
[08:34] <christel> JamesTait: hahaha i do love a spot of rain ;)
[08:34] <dwatkins> glacier: n. a lake with a slope
[08:34] <JamesTait> We do have some lovely countryside though.
[08:34] <bigcalm> Heh
[08:36] <christel> JamesTait: yah, there's a few gems here too :)
[08:37] <dwatkins> JamesTait: oh yes indeed: http://rowla.dyndns.org/gallery/v/Events/Edinburgh/ (panoramas I took near home)
[08:39] <christel> beautiful :)
[08:40] <JamesTait> +1 :)
[08:42] <christel> :)
[08:43] <dwatkins> cheers; we were quite lucky with the weather
[08:43] <christel> :D
[08:44] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:45] <bigcalm> Good morning czajkowski :)
[08:46] <czajkowski> one more day or work then on my holidays :)
[08:46] <JamesTait> Hey czajkowski. :)
[08:46] <czajkowski> ello JamesTait
[08:46] <JamesTait> You're getting a head start on me then. :)
[08:47] <JamesTait> Conspiracy theorists start your engines.
[08:48] <JamesTait> Got anything exciting planned, czajkowski?
[08:48] <czajkowski> yup we're renting a car on Sunday and heading down south
[08:48] <czajkowski> stopping at portsmouth
[08:48] <czajkowski> then heading on down to Dorset
[08:48] <christel> hiya pretty girl M3
[08:48] <christel> er <3
[08:48] <czajkowski> and staying a week there in a cottage
[08:48] <czajkowski> christel: herrro :)
[08:50] <JamesTait> czajkowski: Sounds lovely. And definitely more organised than us.
[08:51] <czajkowski> JamesTait: see I'm an organiser my other half less organised, it took the olympics to make him organsised!
[08:52] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[08:53] <JamesTait> brobostigon: o/
[08:53] <brobostigon> JamesTait: o/
[08:54] <mungojerry> new dr who trailer, looks a bit silly in places
[08:56] <dwatkins> http://imgur.com/Vc9m2 for anyone not currently able to watch video of Doctor Who... :)
[08:59] <bigcalm> I wonder why Docky crashes after using the update manager
[08:59]  * bigcalm blames directhex just because it's mono :P
[09:01] <dwatkins> Docky is written in mono?
[09:01] <mungojerry> yes, but the rewrite, plank is in vala
[09:01] <bigcalm> iain@snafu:~$ ps ux | grep ocky
[09:01] <bigcalm> iain      6486  1.6  1.1 1080364 45556 ?       Sl   09:58   0:02 mono /usr/lib/docky/Docky.exe
[09:02] <directhex> every time, or specific updates?
[09:02] <directhex> may be confused by some services restarting e.g. dbus
[09:03] <bigcalm> directhex: almost every time. Maybe I should start recording what's being updated and if Docky then crashes
[09:04]  * dwatkins sees a facebook comment field and turns Ghostery back on to block this sort of thing
[09:10] <christel> i am officially crap at doing my invoicing
[09:11] <dwatkins> christel: have you considered getting freshbooks to do it for you?
[09:11] <bigcalm> christel: You like the work more than the money
[09:11] <diplo> christel: It's why I won't ever go self employed
[09:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> OpenERP is good for this :-)
[09:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> We produce lovely invoices :-D
[09:13] <bigcalm> Heh
[09:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> Some for OpenERP too ;-)
[09:13] <christel> hehe
[09:13] <diplo> yeah i do like it, but it still means I need to do it, not someone else for me
[09:13] <diplo> :)
[09:13] <christel> i got distracted by violent(!) computer games :x
[09:14] <bigcalm> Angry Birds again?
[09:14] <bigcalm> Sweet and innocent christel wouldn't know about anything more violent than AB
[09:15] <mungojerry> my wife uses unity2d, takes ages to log off/shutdown when using it - anyone else?
[09:15]  * AlanBell is a bit of a pacifist
[09:15] <christel> aah there she blows
[09:15] <bigcalm> Wee
[09:15] <christel> bigcalm: nah, city of heroes :)
[09:16] <bigcalm> Fixy fixy :P
[09:16] <bigcalm> Never heard of it
[09:16]  * bigcalm googles
[09:17] <diplo> mungojerry: When i used it last week all seemed fine for me
[09:17] <bigcalm> I see
[09:17] <hoover> mungojerry: all reasonably well here, also unity2d
[09:17] <christel> bigcalm:  i suspect it might not be your kinda thing! tis really rather childish :P
[09:17] <mungojerry> hmm
[09:17] <bigcalm> christel: reinforcing my image of a grumpy old man? :P
[09:17] <hoover> did anyone else read the valve blog entry about fps on Linux?
[09:17] <mungojerry> yes
[09:17] <mungojerry> valve rock
[09:18] <hoover> seems like Linux / OpenGL leaves win7 in the dust ;-)
[09:18] <mungojerry> i'd like to fast forward 3 years and see what's happening as a result
[09:18] <AlanBell> jussi: are you here?
[09:18] <hoover> It's good to see gaming studios finally waking up to the fact that win8 will result in a major suckage
[09:18] <mungojerry> hoover, they didn't even spend long on it yet, or do anything to the drivers
[09:18] <jussi> yes
[09:18] <christel> jussi: BEER!
[09:18] <mungojerry> http://steeldata.jusnews.co.uk/2012/07/29/paul-beech-pibow-sells-thousands-in-first-week/
[09:18] <hoover> I hope this trend catches on
[09:18] <hoover> mungojerry: indeed
[09:19] <AlanBell> we must all go for a ride in jussi's porsche
[09:19] <hoover> just like the oracle blokes: "We just typed 'make'" ;-)
[09:19] <jussi> AlanBell: :D
[09:19] <christel> jussi: are you in the ukay now? :)
[09:19] <jussi> christel: Oxford
[09:19] <mungojerry> pibow sounds a bit too much like tebow
[09:20] <mungojerry> but looks like the best case i've seen
[09:20] <christel> jussi: \o/
[09:20] <dwatkins> christel: http://www.freshbooks.com/ will do your invoicing for you
[09:21] <christel> jussi: we absolutely should beer before you finland
[09:21] <mungojerry> its cool how many homebrew type jobs the rpi has created
[09:21] <dwatkins> mungojerry: you mean in terms of cases and so on for the RPi?
[09:21] <jussi> christel: we can attempt something friday perhaps, we are reasonably busy though. (are you even anywhere nearby?)
[09:22] <mungojerry> dwatkins, yeah, and how it's also got people involved in community
[09:22] <mungojerry> but the money earning jobs mainly
[09:22] <dwatkins> neat, mungojerry
[09:22] <mungojerry> amazon thinks 50 shades of grey is in my viewing history, now is showering me with smut
[09:23] <mungojerry> ah, no, i have recent history turned off, so it is showing me topsellers.
[09:24]  * TheOpenSourcerer is beginning to wish he hadn't retweeted a tweet about a lost camera. Seems to have gone rather viral. Getting retweet notices every second...
[09:27] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: http://www.ifoundyourcamera.net/ ?
[09:28] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: go and delete the tweet
[09:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> Will that remove the retweets? Then what is someone retweets the retweet?
[09:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> /is/if
[09:29] <MartijnVdS> I think it will
[09:30] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: yarp
[09:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> Can I just turn off libnotify for a while?
[09:30] <ali1234> hehehe, webapps?
[09:30] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: you can turn off notification on twitter.com -- then it won't mail you
[09:30] <ali1234> or gwibber?
[09:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> hotot
[09:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> Not getting (many) emails.
[09:31] <ali1234> actually you can turn off the notifications by going into "busy" mode
[09:31] <ali1234> though i'm not sure how you do that short of opening a fullscreen video player
[09:50] <christel> RAIN :(
[09:50] <bigcalm> I thought you said you liked rain?
[09:50] <christel> i lied :(
[09:50] <christel> :P
[09:50] <bigcalm> :O
[09:51] <gord> hot and sunny up north
[09:52] <bigcalm> Grey and grey here
[09:53] <diplo> oh dear, camping now confirmed... no getting out of it now!
[09:54] <christel> diplo: \o/
[09:54] <diplo> Had to change location though, still looks good and down the road
[09:54] <diplo> http://www.nicholastonfarm.co.uk/
[09:55] <christel> looks good! i am sure the boys (and you) will have a fab tiem :D
[09:55] <christel> time*
[09:55] <diplo> Practise putting the tent up this weekend I think is in order + make sure I have all the bits
[09:56] <christel> :D
[09:58] <mungojerry> must remember not to visit the twitter web page, rather to use a client instead ...twitter trending topics are always bad news :(
[10:06] <dwatkins> I always laugh at the trending topics, they're so completely irellevant to me most of the time
[10:06] <dwatkins> I'm thinking of Google+ which lists things like Justin Bieber as a trending topic half the time, though.
[10:07] <dwatkins> I don't laugh at bad news, obv.
[10:08] <dwatkins> I think I should stop looking at twitter because it makes me lose faith in humanity reading the hastag #DontYouJustHateWhen
[10:10] <mungojerry> makes me sad to read gossip about macualey culkin from the national enquirer that everybody is retweeting as fact
[10:15] <bigcalm> Tip: don't read hash tags
[10:16] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:16] <dwatkins> bigcalm: indeed, I usually don't
[10:16] <mungojerry> and don't subscribe to people, rather RSS bots
[10:16] <dwatkins> I have a plugin which disabled most youtube comments, also.
[10:16] <bigcalm> Morning davmor2
[10:16] <dwatkins> mungojerry: yeah, some really useful stuff is available via RSS
[10:16] <davmor2> bigcalm: jellybean on the xoom is nice
[10:16] <mungojerry> thats all twitter is to me
[10:16] <bigcalm> davmor2: OTA?
[10:16] <mungojerry> e.g. vmwarekb sends tweets of new kb articles
[10:16] <dwatkins> ah I see, mungojerry - for me, twitter is people, google reader is RSS feeds
[10:17] <davmor2> bigcalm: No I got bored of waiting so ged'ed it, I get the us wifi updates as goggle roll them out now :)
[10:17] <bigcalm> Haha
[10:18] <davmor2> bigcalm: the nice thing is, it is still an official roll out so it works fine
[10:18] <bigcalm> What did you do to get that?
[10:25] <davmor2> bigcalm: http://www.simonjstuart.com/2011/07/23/gedify-your-non-us-wifi-xoom-for-n00bs/
[10:25]  * bigcalm is a n00b!
[10:26] <mungojerry> everyone's a noob at something
[10:26] <davmor2> bigcalm: there are a couple of steps that aren't overwhelming clear but basically they are covered in the pre work trouble shooting,  it takes about 5-10 minutes
[10:27] <bigcalm> davmor2: ta
[10:28] <davmor2> bigcalm: and you are likely to have to run the gedifying twice the first time it fails to over write the existing,  and definitely use the rear usb port much faster than the front ones
[10:29] <ali1234> what does "gedify" mean?
[10:29] <bigcalm> Does it require windows?
[10:29] <bigcalm> Google Experience Device -ify
[10:29] <davmor2> bigcalm: yeap that was the one downside
[10:29] <ali1234> oh.
[10:29]  * bigcalm continues to wait for a UK release
[10:29] <ali1234> what does that mean?
[10:30] <bigcalm> "Since Motorola lied to every Xoom customer outside of the US (misleading us into thinking that the Xoom was a GED, when in fact it isn’t), I’ve decided to put up this n00b’s guide to making your WiFi Xoom a GED."
[10:30] <bigcalm> It means that a GED gets all of the latest things 1st
[10:30] <bigcalm> The Galaxy Nexus being another GED
[10:30] <ali1234> i see
[10:30] <ali1234> GED is good
[10:31] <davmor2> ali1234: the xoom in the us is a GED which means Google trial it for all updates, Europe doesn't get the update for another 12months or so
[10:31] <christel> bigcalm: i am bored! entertain me!
[10:31] <bigcalm> christel: have you seen the white elephant trick?
[10:31] <davmor2> me does a jig for christel and falls over
[10:31] <christel> bigcalm: no, show me!
[10:31] <christel> davmor2: awww <3
[10:31] <czajkowski> davmor2: ello
[10:32] <mungojerry> all the contractors working with us are stuck in the dark ages and use nokia non-smart phones. then they received smartphones to use google auth (rather than a cheaper solution of using key fobs), and they are amazed at the improved call quality
[10:32] <davmor2> czajkowski: proddington prod how are you
[10:32] <mungojerry> i think it's cos their phones were ancient tech in the phone world
[10:33] <ali1234> that's really funny
[10:33] <ali1234> cos my nokia has significantly better audio quality than any other phone i've ever used
[10:33] <czajkowski> davmor2: not bad now yourself?
[10:33] <christel> bigcalm: you're totally fired -- that was a rubbish trick
[10:34] <bigcalm> christel: I got the name wrong: white-eared elephant ;)
[10:34] <davmor2> christel: pick a card any card
[10:35]  * hoover waddles off to get some ice cream
[10:35] <davmor2> christel: put the business card down its the wrong kinda card :P
[10:35] <davmor2> czajkowski: busy but good thanks
[10:36] <davmor2> christel: and the credit card
[10:37] <christel> aw
[10:38] <davmor2> christel: no not the tesco club card either
[10:38] <christel> but you said any card :(
[10:39] <davmor2> christel: and stop looking in the deck for the queen of hearts or the ace of spades now I mentioned the queen :D
[10:45] <christel> the people that work for me are idiots, that is all
[10:45] <bigcalm> You have employees?
[10:46] <christel> yes, a couple -- though this referred to one of my freelancers
[10:47] <christel> i am not entirely sure how he decided that "nourrices" would translate as "wet nurse" in a section about fuel containers
[10:47] <christel> "Furthermore, the thermal motors of the fire pump groups must be tested at least once a forthnight and wet nurses must be refilled after every use."
[10:47] <christel> ... what
[10:48] <bigcalm> Hahaha
[10:48] <christel> (now i will admit that nourrices could indeed be wet nurse, but in this context i suspect he wanted "fuel containers" or even jerry cans!)
[10:48] <ali1234> http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nourrice_%28homonymie%29
[10:48] <christel> ali1234: aye! but CONTEXT :P
[10:50] <ali1234> yeah it basically means both those things
[10:50] <christel> indeed :)
[10:51] <christel> i am mostly baffled by the fact that he didn't question it and thought it was totally fine to say wet nurses in that sentence
[10:51] <ali1234> yeah
[10:51] <ali1234> well, i'm guessing it's a kind of slang/idiom
[10:53] <ali1234> like "dumb waiter" probably wouldn't translate very well if you just took it literally
[10:55] <christel> indeed!
[10:55] <bigcalm> Most waiters are dumb...
[10:56] <bigcalm> Most waiters are writers/actors?
[10:56] <davmor2> bigcalm: put that tray down and do some work
[10:57] <davmor2> bigcalm: you are wrong, most waiter/waitresses are unsuccessful writers/actors the successful ones don't need to wait tables :D
[10:59] <ali1234> interestingly google translate only gives the nurse-type definition
[11:12] <czajkowski> folks may (may not ) enjoy my latest blog post http://www.lczajkowski.com/2012/08/02/finally-a-statement-i-can-agree-with-i-am-not-a-geek-feminist/
[11:14] <bigcalm> tl;dr?
[11:14] <christel> czajkowski++
[11:14] <ali1234> wow, backlash?
[11:14] <JamesTait> czajkowski: Just finished reading it, got wind of it via Jan Wildeboor.
[11:15] <mattt> bigcalm: :P
[11:15] <bigcalm> Sorry, I'm working :S
[11:16] <czajkowski> bigcalm: oh you actually do work!
[11:16] <bigcalm> ¬.¬
[11:16] <czajkowski> tl;dr pah!
[11:16] <bigcalm> czajkowski: I'll read it later :)
[11:17] <mattt> will read later too
[11:17] <mungojerry> from what i read, the woman at the oscon was complaining about hassle from men AND women
[11:22] <mungojerry> everybody judges people on how they dress, it's by design and part of culture/fashion
[11:24] <czajkowski> mungojerry: there is a bit of a clash at times, women in eu do dress a lot more relaxed than many of the women I've met in the states. cultural.
[11:25] <christel> pfft i am in czajkowski's moderation queue! ;)
[11:26] <czajkowski> moderated
[11:26] <czajkowski> ;)
[11:26] <christel> :P
[11:27] <mungojerry> the comment on the mailing list seemed quite OK, he was just suggesting that some of NP was lacking in technical clarity and her following could be based on her looks
[11:29] <ali1234> i find the relentless political correctness of ubuntu to be quite tiring
[11:30] <ali1234> which is why i mainly hang out here
[11:31] <christel> i didn't have any issue with his comments tbh -- otoh the cynic in me also recognise that "sex sells" and she might very well have a larger following due to the fact that she isn't afraid to show off her chest, but i am not sure it really matters -- sure, she might not be providing the most in-depth of tech talk but if that's the level you're at you're probably already knowledgable enough to make your own choices as to what you ...
[11:31] <christel> ... want to run/do -- and if a cute girl manages to bring a few entry-level users to the FOSS world (be that because of her chest or because she said ubuntu was awesome) then yanno, that is probably a good thing regardless?
[11:31] <christel> i am political correctness personified!
[11:31] <ali1234> lol
[11:32] <mungojerry> christel, maybe, but such people shouldn't get shocked/offended if their overtly sexual behaviour shocks/offends others (men and/or women)
[11:32] <AlanBell> the bit I struggle with is that people openly comment on "celebrities" in a completely mainstream context and this is considered normal, but not something you would say to a real person you know
[11:33] <ali1234> the UK has a very different idea of what political correctness means to the US
[11:33] <mungojerry> ali1234, that's true too
[11:33] <ali1234> AlanBell: that's just them/us mentality
[11:33] <christel> mungojerry: i must admit i've not watched any of her videos, i've seen her website (after the ML posts, never heard of her before) though so i don't really know how she is overtly sexual in her behaviour
[11:33] <ali1234> people posting offensive comments on celeb's twitter are just repeating the kind of stuff they shout at random strangers while out on the booze on a friday night
[11:34] <christel> that said, i am probably one of those people who offend people -- there's frequently plenty of cleavage and i shall admit to flirting with lamp posts when noone else stands still for long enough :)
[11:34] <ali1234> it's all about reinforcing who is a member of the group and who is an outsider
[11:36] <czajkowski> christel: lol.
[11:36] <christel> czajkowski: well, tis true! :P
[11:37] <davmor2> christel: I saw what you did there you left the 'in' of the word 'correctness' easy mistake
[11:37] <JamesTait> christel: You're not a flirt, are you? ;)
[11:37] <christel> JamesTait: never ;)
[11:37] <ali1234> i only offend people over the internet
[11:38] <ali1234> IRL you'll be lucky to get two words out of me
[11:38] <christel> aww
[11:38] <christel> i am probably equally obnoxious irl :)
[11:38] <christel> (as online)
[11:39] <davmor2> I only offend people, but in the best possible taste
[11:39] <JamesTait> davmor2: You're not offensive, you're just a Brummie. :-P
[11:40]  * JamesTait offends an entire city in one fell swoop.
[11:40]  * christel claps
[11:40] <christel> well played!
[11:40] <JamesTait> Had to be done, really.
[11:40] <mungojerry> it must be hungry o clock
[11:41] <JamesTait> And I know davmor2 will take it in the spirit it was intended.
[11:41] <mungojerry> if i was a nudist, would i need to "edit myself" for oscon in order not to cause offence? yes
[11:42] <davmor2> JamesTait: how do you know I was born in Birmingham?
[11:43] <christel> it's the smell
[11:43] <christel> it never goes away
[11:43] <davmor2> JamesTait: although I would go around tell people from wolverhapton that they are brummies generally not appreciated :D
[11:44] <davmor2> s/would/ would not
[11:44] <JamesTait> davmor2: Hmm... born I'm not so sure about, but Google+ tells me you live in Wolverhampton, and to an ignorant Notts lad that's close enough. ;)
[11:45] <christel> gosh i havent been to nottingham in Many Years
[11:45] <davmor2> christel: Awwww and there was me finkin' twas de aqsunt
[11:45] <JamesTait> Me neither.
[11:46] <christel> i once went to see the castle. it was very disappointing
[11:46] <ali1234> heh
[11:46] <mungojerry> that bloke on the field with a tractor and grass cutters has the best job out there
[11:46] <christel> davmor2: :P
[11:46] <christel> hello popey \o/
[11:46] <JamesTait> Agreed.  I think the last time I was in Nottingham was shopping for wedding stuff just before Christmas, and it was horrible.
[11:46] <bigcalm> popey has landed!
[11:47] <JamesTait> Erm, that would be Christmas 2002.
[11:48] <christel> haha
[11:48] <diplo> I like Nottingham, but I really only see it at night when I come up to headoffice
[11:48] <diplo> I stay in a hotel in the centre of town and then go out drinking/eating
[11:48] <diplo> Must take a day off one time when I visit to look around.
[11:48] <christel> 4
[11:49] <JamesTait> 4 days off, christel?
[11:50] <christel> yes! take 4 days off :D
[11:51] <popey> \o/
[11:51] <JamesTait> christel: I'll be taking 10 very soon.  Plus weekends.
[11:52] <davmor2> JamesTait: oh so 16 infact
[11:52] <JamesTait> davmor2: Indeed.
[11:53] <nja> Hello
[11:54] <czajkowski> popey: welcome back
[11:54] <popey> thanks!
[11:54]  * popey cooks up a saussy sarnie for lunch
[11:54]  * davmor2 doesn't even know how much holiday he has left
[11:55] <zleap> yummu
[11:55] <zleap> yummy
[11:55] <nja> davmor2: Don't think about it, enjoy it :)
[11:55] <davmor2> popey: which bit did you cook if it's sauce on bread.
[11:55] <popey> sossie
[11:56] <davmor2> oh now it makes sense why didn't you say that in the first place :D
[11:57]  * AlanBell has chicken legs
[11:57] <JamesTait> Saucisson.
[11:57] <JamesTait> AlanBell: Yes, but what are you having for lunch?
[11:57] <christel> AlanBell: you're terrible.. are they all rolling around, legless now?
[11:58] <AlanBell> christel: I will fit them with wheels
[11:58] <christel> hahaha
[11:58] <christel> like bill bailey's tortoises?
[11:58] <AlanBell> yes!
[11:59] <christel> awesome! :D
[12:00] <christel> i appear to have gained a postman
[12:00]  * christel goes investigate
[12:05] <christel> pfft! it wasnt even something exciting for me, it was something for the church :(
[12:05] <dwatkins> how dare they use you as their delivery service
[12:05] <AlanBell> did you let the postman go again?
[12:06] <christel> i told him i would pray for him
[12:06]  * christel nods
[12:06] <christel> he also brought david's birth certificate back from the passport people!
[12:06] <christel> with some luck the passport will also magically appear soon
[12:07] <christel> i like my morning postman better, he's quite hot
[12:07] <christel> the afternoon one is like 80 and grumpy :(
[12:07] <Flashtek> you get 2 posts ?
[12:07] <Flashtek> we're lucky to get one
[12:07] <JamesTait> What Flashtek said!?!
[12:07] <christel> yes!
[12:07] <christel> <- special, clearly ;)
[12:07] <Flashtek> clearly
[12:08] <JamesTait> I thought Royal Mail stopped doing two posts years ago!
[12:08] <Flashtek> not to the 'special' people...
[12:08] <christel> i dunno why i have two posts tbh
[12:08] <Flashtek> christel = special case
[12:08] <JamesTait> Special Delivery?
[12:08] <christel> postman pat :D
[12:09] <Flashtek> time to take the dogs for a walk, and to get some bread at the only shop within 2.5 miles (also happens to be sub post office)
[12:09] <daubers> Is it me or does this http://daltoncaldwell.com/an-audacious-proposal not actually say what they're thing they're building does?
[12:09] <daubers> s/they're thing/the thing
[12:10] <JamesTait> I should probably do lunch.
[12:10] <JamesTait> Daaaaaahling.
[12:12] <popey> daubers, https://join.app.net/ does doesn't it?
[12:12] <daubers> 1682 words in that article, of which 28 hint at what it might be
[12:12] <daubers> popey: No?
[12:12] <daubers> "We're building a real-time social service where users and developers come first, not advertisers." <- But what does that actually mean? THey're re-implimenting identi.ca or diaspora?
[12:13] <daubers> The post office? That's a social service isn't it?
[12:13] <gord> it means you have to pay to use it
[12:14] <daubers> gord: use what? I don't know what it does!
[12:14] <gord> its a social platform, it doesn't do anything
[12:14] <daubers> So's the post office! And that might get my post somewhere
[12:15] <gord> its a fairly interesting idea, you just build a platform, which might as well just be referred to as a database. developers build apps and i guess you pay for the apps
[12:16] <daubers> So it's facebook without the features and for £?
[12:16] <gord> i assume they would have some features
[12:16] <gord> so its facebook without the ads and for £
[12:17] <daubers> maybe with features, but we don't know what features or if there will be any?
[12:17] <daubers> So why should I give them money?
[12:17] <gord> well it sounds like its a little early for them to be calling out features
[12:17] <daubers> So why should I give them money if I don't know what I'll actually ger?
[12:18] <gord> you are new to thise croud funding lark huh ;)
[12:18] <gord> crowd*
[12:18] <daubers> The majority of crowdfunding things I've seen actually have a visible working product at the end that is quite clearly define
[12:18] <daubers> d
[12:18] <daubers> this is a hand wavery "thing" with added buzzwords
[12:18] <AlanBell> which is why they are not using kickstarter
[12:18] <gord> so is most crowd funding things
[12:18] <daubers> and no-one can tell me what it'll actually do?
[12:19] <gord> i crowdfunded the double fine adventure that litterally had nothing other than "adventure game" as the goal
[12:19] <gord> if you want well defined features, wait until it gets made, let other people take the risk
[12:20] <daubers> gord: You know that double fine adventure thing will be a poit and click adventure game
[12:20] <daubers> Expectations set
[12:20] <gord> i know his social platform will be a social platform you can develop apps on
[12:21] <daubers> This app.net thing just appears to be "Give me money and we'll make this thing that is only defined by 1% of the words in my thing asking for money"
[12:21] <daubers> So it's steam?
[12:21] <daubers> Or Facebook?
[12:22] <gord> no, steam is a shop that happens to have a social aspect. the apps are not social applications
[12:22] <gord> its facebook, i don't know why you can't grasp this
[12:22] <gord> its like facebook, the apps are similar, but its not tied into advertising as a revenue stream
[12:22] <daubers> but if tey charge for the apps is that not a shop with a social aspect?
[12:23] <gord> do you think an indoor climbing wall that sells gear is a shop with a climbing wall?
[12:25] <daubers> If they charge me to use the wall, then effectivley yes
[12:28] <diplo> I don't 'get' them either daubers so just ignore :)
[12:29]  * daubers doesn't understand :(
[12:33] <daubers> I also question the logic in this "I think the takeaway here is that the services provided by SourceForge/Github are too important to its users to be ad-supported" If they where paid for services, I don't think they'd be as big as they are and hence wouldn't be as important as they are?
[12:35] <daubers> And surely this is a strawman based on a fallacy "I would gladly pay for a service that treats me better."?
[12:58] <irenie> #fossbox
[12:58] <davmor2> christel: I'm amazed that nobody replied to this <christel> <- special, clearly ;) with very "SPECIAL"  it just seemed so obvious :D
[13:01] <ali1234> daubers: github *is* a paid service. that's his point
[13:03]  * davmor2 is concerned that JamesTait is calling an IRC Daaahling
[13:04] <ali1234> daubers: and what he's building is pretty well defined - it's a copy of twitter that has a business model beyond "IPO then sell user data to the highest bidder"
[13:04] <czajkowski> irenie: hi there
[13:04] <czajkowski> irenie: if you want to join there you need to /j fossbox
[13:08] <JamesTait> davmor2: No need to worry, sweetie. ;)
[13:17] <christel> davmor2: PFFT
[13:20] <brobostigon> rain.
[13:20] <christel> rain indeed!
[13:20] <JamesTait> brobostigon! Now look, you made it rain!
[13:20] <diplo> It must *MUST* get sunny for next weekend plz k thnx
[13:20] <brobostigon> :(
[13:21] <mungojerry> anyone know what the face value of football olympic tickets are for wembley?
[13:21] <JamesTait> brobostigon: See if you can do it the other way.  Say "glorious sunshine".
[13:21] <brobostigon> JamesTait: lol
[13:22] <JamesTait> mungojerry: It varies.
[13:22] <diplo> brobostigon: !!!!!! It JUST started RAINING!!
[13:23] <diplo> :(
[13:23] <diplo> Keep the r word quiet :)
[13:23] <diplo> Maybe it'll go away
[13:23] <JamesTait> mungojerry: I didn't look at football, but for hockey there are four tiers (A-D).  The tickets get progressively more expensive the closer to the final you get.  Tier D was £20 for the early stages and IIRC £45 for the final.
[13:25] <JamesTait> mungojerry: http://www.tickets.london2012.com/browse?form=search&tab=oly&sport=8213&event=&venue=17&fromDate=&toDate=&morning=1&afternoon=1&evening=1&show_available_events=1
[13:25] <mungojerry> got offered tickets in manchester for free, but too far.
[13:26] <mungojerry> have been offered tickets for wembley semi but unsure whether to go
[13:26] <christel> go!
[13:26] <JamesTait> Once in a lifetime.
[13:28] <christel> what JamesTait said!
[13:33] <mungojerry> wifey is v unwell wiv morning sickness atm (all day long every day), but she has allowed it
[13:34] <christel> :)
[13:40] <christel> SUN THERE IS SUN
[13:40]  * christel does a little dance
[13:41] <mungojerry> it's a quite bit sunny, as my boy child says
[13:41] <davmor2> christel: yes it's available from your newsagents daily
[13:41] <christel> mungojerry: :D
[13:41] <christel> davmor2: :P
[13:41] <bigcalm> The sun is trying to get through here
[13:41] <christel> mungojerry: how far along is she? :)
[13:42] <mungojerry> only 7 or 8 weeks :(
[13:42] <mungojerry> it's a long slog as sickness whenever you move + a toddler = bad
[13:42] <christel> i can imagine!
[13:42] <mungojerry> hoping it will stick as the last baby didn't :(
[13:43] <mungojerry> but she never got as far as morn sick stage last time
[13:43] <christel> i am sorry to hear that -- i hope this one does stick indeed
[13:43] <mungojerry> thanks
[13:43] <mungojerry> times like this i wanna take a year off work and look after la famille
[13:49] <christel> aww :)
[13:49] <christel> how many kids do you have? just the one + the little bean? :)
[13:50] <mungojerry> how's this for an ultimate troll comment i just saw in the telegraph comments section: "Sport is for undertaking, not for watching. The only excuse for 'buying a seat' at the Olympics is geriatric decrepitude, senescence, or physical disability. Have pity for all those that go and surrender to commercialism by paying to watch others undertake sports, rather than practice it themselves."
[13:51] <bigcalm> Oh my
[13:51] <christel> hehe
[13:52] <christel> see, i find that those of my friends who are most "into" watching sports are those who are most "into" playing sports!
[13:54] <bigcalm> I tend to watch that which I enjoy to do
[13:54] <mungojerry> it's a classic troll since it always elicits a response
[13:57] <christel> bigcalm: yes, we all know what you enjoy watching.
[13:57] <christel> :P
[13:57] <bigcalm> christel: :D
[14:00] <AlanBell> bigcalm: next time you pop round I will get the beach volleyball set out
[14:00] <bigcalm> AlanBell: haha :D
[14:00] <bigcalm> Haven't get watched any of the games
[14:03] <TheOpenSourcerer> lolworthy: http://www.metro.us/newyork/sports/article/1148979--what-if-every-olympic-sport-was-photographed-like-beach-volleyball
[14:03] <jpds> TheOpenSourcerer: http://www.zug.com/live/89905/The-NBC-Olympic-Idiocy-Endurance-Challenge.html
[14:07] <christel> AlanBell: the mental images :o
[14:09] <bigcalm> christel: don't you want to watch me play the game?
[14:12] <christel> i er, no :(
[14:12] <bigcalm> :O
[14:15] <christel> haha
[14:16] <christel> i am just not sure your hairy legs and bum would look good in this kinda outfit: http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01556/Russia_s_Anastasia_1556665a.jpg
[14:16]  * bigcalm tuts
[14:17] <bigcalm> But likely true
[14:18] <christel> otoh there's a lot to be said for comedy value
[14:19] <christel> so perhaps
[14:19] <christel> on an entirely different note, i am BORED
[14:19] <mungojerry> "You can’t bring more than 100ml
[14:19] <mungojerry> of water and other liquids" into an olympic venue - for real?
[14:19] <christel> haha really?
[14:19] <diplo> Same as most Concert venues now
[14:19] <mungojerry> maybe i'll freeze it first
[14:20] <diplo> Want you to buy it, they use terrorism as an excuse i think but yeah they will chuck it away
[14:20] <mungojerry> 70,000 people buying food is not practical
[14:20] <mungojerry> £7 a burger *ahem*
[14:20] <bigcalm> More reasons as to why I'm happy I'm not anywhere near the mess down south
[14:21] <mungojerry> surely medical reasons mean you can bring water > 100ml
[14:23] <davmor2> mungojerry: No, they'll expect you to buy it
[14:23] <AlanBell> you can take an empty bottle in and fill it at one of several taps . . . along with the other 70,000 people
[14:24] <mungojerry> apparently free water is provided to refill but they haven';t planned it very well
[14:24] <mungojerry> i will take 400ml and spread it among the other guys. other blokes don't tend to bring water
[14:24] <JamesTait> Properly raining now. :(
[14:24] <shauno> and here was me wishing the airports would get over that one sometime soon
[14:24] <mungojerry> they would charge for that at the 'lympics
[14:26] <davmor2> bigcalm: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKTUAESacQM :D
[14:27] <bigcalm> davmor2: what about it?
[14:27] <bigcalm> I'm listening to dubstep
[14:27] <christel> is it KAPSLAP?
[14:27] <bigcalm> christel: http://soundcloud.com/dubstep-4/sets/dubstep-dubstep-dubstep/
[14:27] <davmor2> bigcalm: it's what the into reminded me off :)
[14:28] <bigcalm> I just did a search on soundcloud for dubstep
[14:28] <christel> ooh
[14:28]  * bigcalm zaps his brain with some wub love
[14:29] <davmor2> bigcalm: and then there is a bit further along that reminds me of this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOXw1xz-c8w
[14:30] <christel> bigcalm: i am listening to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYMj1vxsehY this very moment, which is an oldie but goodie!
[14:31] <nja> testing
[14:31] <bigcalm> Drums!
[14:31] <nja> oh good it works
[14:31] <christel> hullu nja :)
[14:31] <christel> i mean, hullu @nja!
[14:31] <nja> Hi christel
[14:32] <bigcalm> christel: this is perfect <3
[14:32]  * christel rolls her eyes
[14:33] <christel> what did you expect? i am perfection personified.
[14:33] <bigcalm> Haha
[14:33] <bigcalm> Modest too
[14:33] <christel> very ;)
[14:33] <christel> what should i do tonight?
[14:33] <Pendulum> christel is always modest, didn't you know?
[14:33] <christel> AlanBell sucks at finishing work so we shan't go to oxford to play with jussi
[14:33] <christel> what should i do insteaaad
[14:33] <Pendulum> :(
[14:33] <christel> oooh hello PRETTY GIRL
[14:34] <christel> :D
[14:34] <jussi> christel: !!!!!!!!!!
[14:34]  * Dave2 imagines someone saying "oooh hello" in a normal voice then yelling "PRETTY GIRL" at the top of it
[14:35] <jussi> I shall have to do bad things to you
[14:35] <christel> haha
[14:35] <christel> blame him! i was so up for it! :P
[14:35] <christel> that sounds so wrong
[14:35] <Pendulum> christel: have a drink in celebration that I've survived a year post-surgery ;) (since I can't drink)
[14:35] <christel> Pendulum: WOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOO
[14:35] <christel> only the one drink? :D
[14:35] <Pendulum> haha
[14:35] <christel> or one per day ? :D
[14:36] <Pendulum> You can have as many drinks you want, although I think you may not want to do one for every day
[14:36] <christel> bigcalm: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRftXCiqfQ8 <3
[14:36] <christel> haha
[14:36] <christel> i can do SMALL drinks?
[14:36] <christel> mini shots!
[14:36] <Pendulum> (technically, this is the anniversary for my 2nd surgery, yesterday was the anniversary for the 1st)
[14:36] <Pendulum> haha
[14:37] <bigcalm> christel: I do <3 me some Bassnectar :)
[14:37] <christel> ooh that explains why i woke up with a hangover
[14:38] <Dave2> Two anniversaries in quick succession!
[14:38] <bigcalm> Pendulum: yay :)
[14:38] <christel> bigcalm: http://youtu.be/3Y-C9uT4aGQ
[14:38] <davmor2> christel, bigcalm: this is the one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y81upFRHQ1U&feature=fvst or maybe this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4eav7dFvc8
[14:38] <christel> not dubstep but interesting!
[14:38] <bigcalm> christel: slow down :P
[14:39] <christel> aww am i going too fast for you? ;)
[14:39] <christel> davmor2: <3 the prodigy
[14:40] <christel> bigcalm: http://youtu.be/Vsy1URDYK88
[14:40] <bigcalm> christel: that is indeed not dubstep :P
[14:40] <bigcalm> More?!
[14:40]  * bigcalm scrambles to keep up
[14:41] <gord> if it is possible to dance to something, it is not dubstep
[14:41] <christel> bigcalm: oh oh oh oh
[14:41] <christel> http://soundcloud.com/prototyperaptor/prototyperaptor-jurassic
[14:45] <bigcalm> christel: don't know if I've told you about this before or not: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-3z3DNUGiE
[14:45] <bigcalm> I like it for the video as much as the music
[14:46] <christel> http://youtu.be/531-jK91KhY
[14:46]  * christel swaps
[14:48] <christel> bigcalm: ooh i like
[14:48] <bigcalm> \o/
[14:49]  * bigcalm starts on your track
[14:51] <bigcalm> Is very nice
[14:51] <christel> :)
[14:51] <bigcalm> Shame about the high compression used
[14:51] <bigcalm> Very lossy :S
[14:51] <christel> i need to find someone who does stuff ala kapslap -- as i find his tunes very very sexy
[14:52] <bigcalm> christel: have you tried the solid steel pod casts?
[14:52] <nja> Help!
[14:52] <nja> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1030452/comments/12
[14:54] <christel> i have not, i am assuming you are recommending that i do?!
[14:54] <bigcalm> :)
[14:55] <bigcalm> http://soundcloud.com/ninja-tune/sets/solid-steel-radio-shows/
[14:55] <christel> woop
[14:55] <bigcalm> I wrote a wee PHP script to leech all of the MP3s from that set so that I could listen away from the computer
[14:55] <christel> hehe
[14:56] <bigcalm> Here we go: http://www.myrant.net/2011/07/19/downloading-soundcloud-playlists/
[14:56] <christel> Pendulum: OK! celebratory shots it is!
[14:57] <Pendulum> christel: have fun with those :P
[14:57] <christel> (of water, honest)
[14:57] <mungojerry> gold and silver in canoe slalom, yayt
[14:57] <christel> bigcalm: tis very mellow so far
[14:57] <christel> (nice though)
[14:58] <Pendulum> I like Solid Steel. It used to be good to have on while working.
[14:58] <bigcalm> christel: there are over 100 tracks in that play list and it's always being added to. The styles vary from DJ to DJ
[14:59] <christel> mmm
[14:59]  * bigcalm tries to find one of his fave.
[14:59] <jussi> AlanBell: you fail :Å
[15:01] <christel> bigcalm: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQ2rz9CV9J8&feature=related <3
[15:03] <bigcalm> christel: if you have to time for it, http://soundcloud.com/ninja-tune/solid-steel-radio-show-07-10-1 - watch the video as it's quite fun :D
[15:03] <bigcalm> Yay, manga
[15:04] <bigcalm> Hehe, Bocky instead of Pocky
[15:04] <christel> hehe
[15:05] <bigcalm> My chromium tabs are full of music
[15:05] <christel> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=u3Op-DGc_ww is also quite cute
[15:05] <christel> the freenode volunteers have recently taken to referring to me as overlordess.. i have come to realise that i like this
[15:06] <bigcalm> Sorry, don't really like those sorts of sped up lyrics :(
[15:06] <christel> awww
[15:06] <christel> i think they are cute!
[15:06] <Pendulum> christel: it took them this long?
[15:06] <christel> Pendulum: yus, they used to be much more formal ;)
[15:08] <davmor2> christel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMnukY8qbxU
[15:09]  * christel clickses davmor2
[15:09] <christel> ooo
[15:09] <christel> i think i like it
[15:10] <christel> oh i definitely do
[15:10] <christel> davmor2++
[15:11] <n1md4> Azelphur: 8800 in the post yet? :D
[15:13] <davmor2> christel: in that case http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hp8NmI8kbgY and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BY2OFztWiuY and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtpDG7tAD4E and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_JZdMxgNHo you might like too
[15:13] <christel> and because of the name of davmor's choon i have now hopped over to something Very Different (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7yyvuAFifg)
[15:13] <christel> ooh moar :D
[15:14] <davmor2> christel: and if you're after chill look up the orb little fluffy clouds
[15:15] <christel> \o/
[15:20] <mungojerry> davmor2, i also have the blue room 80 min version
[15:21] <mungojerry> i'm listening to lali puna atm
[15:22] <mungojerry> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jz-Swdawt9g
[15:26] <christel> bigcalm: ok, bored again now ;d
[15:26] <bigcalm> Heh
[15:26] <christel> :D
[15:30] <davmor2> christel: Oh god you mean I have to find you moar
[15:30] <christel> yessir pretty please with sugar on top
[15:31] <davmor2> christel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2syiIGRsyvI&feature=related
[15:31]  * christel clicksies
[15:31] <christel> ooh the start of this i like
[15:31] <christel> bigcalm: oh man do you want to hear a really weird super old song
[15:31]  * christel just came across LOL choons
[15:31] <bigcalm> christel: shoot
[15:32] <davmor2> christel: here's an oldie but it's a damn good tune http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eXw47qb4U0
[15:33] <christel> bigcalm: http://repogirl.net/DJ%20Flipside%20-%20Christel%27s%20Song.mp3
[15:33] <davmor2> christel: you might like this as a bit of a change http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuTVKO0RScI
[15:34] <davmor2> christel: this is a current favourite http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTvgj2LWjMk&feature=related
[15:36]  * bigcalm shakes his head at his latest photo
[15:38] <christel> bigcalm: are you listening to MY song? :D
[15:38] <bigcalm> christel: I is
[15:38] <bigcalm> Very enjoyable
[15:40] <christel> bigcalm: he later did http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jhr7BEeol3w -- which is just not as cool as its well, not inspired by me! :(
[15:40] <christel> "my song" is a tad old mind.. i must have been.. 16-17 at the time :)
[15:41] <bigcalm> Aww
[15:41] <christel> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXo7-r1-K00 you might like some of his suff actually
[15:42] <christel> oh he only has a teeny bit on youtube, shucks
[15:43] <davmor2> christel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpmX4qG1kQg floor filler still :)
[15:43] <christel> http://soundcloud.com/alexanderodden oh there we go bigcalm :D
[15:44] <bigcalm> Off to a good start
[15:44] <bigcalm> Drumstep?!
[15:44] <christel> :D
[15:44] <bigcalm> Different
[15:44] <christel> hehe
[15:44] <christel> of course he is different.. he was my first ever boyfriend ;)
[15:45] <bigcalm> Possibly the best of both worlds
[15:45] <bigcalm> Haha
[15:47] <bigcalm> "You have been unsubscribed from Gocompare.com. This change may take up to five working days to be fully applied." - 5 days? You are doing it _WRONG_
[15:49] <christel> haha
[15:56] <christel> bigcalm: ooh i found another old one, which is almost as Happy Happy as The Riddle! http://repogirl.net/Pulsedriver%20-%20The%20Whistle%20Song%20%28Club%20Mix%29.mp3
[15:57]  * bigcalm queues it up
[15:59] <bigcalm> Happy clappy!
[16:00] <christel> :D
[16:03] <christel> man that song just makes me want to daaaance :D
[16:04] <ikonia> long shot, but does anyone have a name/contact number for anyone in Lenovo UK business sales, the number I've got has not picked up for 3 days now (auto message says unavailable, puts you on hold for 25 minutes, drops calls, repeat)
[16:05] <Pendulum> christel: so dance :P
[16:06]  * christel ponders giving ikonia her number since she's in a chatty mood
[16:06] <christel> :>
[16:06] <christel> Pendulum: \o/
[16:07] <ikonia> christel: chatting is always fun, however I'm not sure you can supply my business with Lenovo laptops
[16:07] <christel> i can pretend to
[16:07] <christel> we could like, yanno... roleplay(!)
[16:07] <ikonia> well, that is further than I've got in 3 days
[16:07]  * christel looks shifty
[16:07] <ikonia> pretending to order laptops would be better than another failure
[16:07] <christel> (sorry, i am SO bored!)
[16:07] <ikonia> join the club
[16:08] <christel> i am about to watch nixie pixel's dark side of geek video
[16:08]  * popey hugs his lenovo laptop
[16:08] <christel> popey: any chance i could sell your laptop to ikonia ? :D
[16:09] <popey> not a chance
[16:09] <popey> you'd have to prise it from my cold dead hands
[16:09] <christel> :(
[16:11] <ikonia> popey: which one do you have ?
[16:11] <bigcalm> I might be getting my boss' X301
[16:13]  * bigcalm ponders upgrading his laptop bag to something a little more stylish
[16:13] <bigcalm> If I'm to be on a course in London for 4 days, got to be stylish...
[16:13] <popey> i have an x220 ikonia
[16:14] <ikonia> popey: I'm trying to order a X230 and a T430s for evalution
[16:14] <popey> nice
[16:14] <ikonia> just terminated my dell business account after their product range is crap
[16:14] <popey> 230 is the 220 with crappy keyboard isnt it?
[16:14] <popey> and ivy bridge?
[16:14] <ikonia> and it's time for a hardware fresh
[16:14] <ikonia> popey: well, a few more bells and whistles
[16:14] <popey> like?
[16:15] <ikonia> popey: but it does have the "crappy" keyboard, which actually seems just as good from my short experience
[16:15] <ikonia> popey: updated wifi setup, current generation ivy bridge, current IPS screen,
[16:15] <ikonia> popey: just a slight generation update
[16:15] <popey> I've noticed a few people have wifi issues with broadcom on the x220
[16:16] <popey> i have the centrino one
[16:16] <ikonia> popey: it's intel on the 230
[16:16] <ikonia> 4 options
[16:16] <ikonia> however I have now failed to purchase either of my test models for 3 days now
[16:17] <popey> i bought mine direct from lenovo
[16:17] <ikonia> well, I can do that, but before I invest I want to find out what business deals they can offer
[16:17] <ikonia> I'm not going to open a business account to find out they do nothing
[16:18] <ikonia> plus I'm not going to buy two "test" laptops at £1500 each to then find out their business accounts suck so I don't end up stocking from lenovo
[16:18] <ikonia> although they have me over a table, as Dells business accounts may be good and do good discount, but their product is now poor
[16:19] <livingdaylight> ikonia, the vostros no good?
[16:19] <ikonia> which ones are the vostros ?
[16:20] <livingdaylight> Dell business range
[16:20] <ikonia> just looking
[16:20] <ikonia> I doubt it as I went through the range
[16:20] <livingdaylight> So, you know the vostros?
[16:21] <popey> the problem i have now is that i love having the nipple on my laptop.. nobody else seems to do them, only lenovo
[16:22] <ikonia> livingdaylight: yes, they are the ones, they are "average" and quite reasonable bang for buck, but lack availability and a big chunk of the range has been killed
[16:22] <ikonia> livingdaylight: only the 15'' and greater seem to be available.
[16:22] <ikonia> popey: dell used to not sure if their current models do
[16:22] <livingdaylight> my gf has an older model which has withstood the test of time. the newer ones look even better
[16:23] <livingdaylight> was never a fan of Dells back then, but vostros had a more durable chassis and sleeker look even back then
[16:23] <ikonia> livingdaylight: my dells have taken a real beating and survied apart from the XPS, so no complaints there, they are just lacking core things for me to re-invest
[16:23] <livingdaylight> and reasonably priced, as you say.
[16:23] <popey> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pointing_stick handy
[16:23] <ikonia> livingdaylight: the new models have massive issues, for high end business users
[16:23] <popey> lists models that have them
[16:24] <livingdaylight> ikonia, gotcha
[16:24] <popey> my last laptop at previous job was a dell latitude, pretty nice
[16:24] <livingdaylight> ikonia, beats spending 1500 on a mac ;)
[16:24] <ikonia> popey: I've got some latitudes here and they have been rock solid, but it's upgrade hardware refresh time
[16:25] <ikonia> livingdaylight: I'm not sure the lenovo's are coming in at £1500-ish
[16:25] <popey> yeah, only issues I'd had were windows bsod's :(
[16:25] <livingdaylight> oh, yea, lenovo's like charging big cash
[16:25] <ikonia> livingdaylight: I'd consider the mac platform if it wasn't too much of a headache for day to day maintainence for not using mac os
[16:25] <ikonia> livingdaylight: I don't mind paying for quality and life span
[16:25] <ikonia> these have to last 5 years as the Dells have easy done, so it's not a bad investment
[16:25] <ikonia> the lenovo's should
[16:26] <popey> I'm annoyed that my x220 already has a crack in it
[16:26] <ikonia> that's dissapointing
[16:26] <livingdaylight> well, I had a lenovo R60e that basically died a premature death. They're generally good, no doubt, but all have built-in obsolescence, imo.
[16:26] <popey> because the pci express slot has nothing to stop it flexing
[16:27] <ikonia> popey: do you use it as a laptop (without external screen) a lot ?
[16:27] <popey> it's below the Fn/Ctrl keys and next to the touchpad
[16:27] <popey> yes
[16:27] <popey> less so when at home
[16:27] <ikonia> popey: how do you find the 12.5 screen with the limited resolution
[16:27] <popey> no problem
[16:27] <popey> but I do enjoy 2x1080p screens on my desk
[16:28] <ikonia> popey: mine would be used mostly as a laptop with no external screen, hence evulating the x230 and the T430s
[16:28] <popey> yeah, mine is on the arm of the sofa a lot
[16:28] <ikonia> I'm more concerned for sit at a desk working
[16:28] <popey> and I spent most of this week away from home, using laptop as a laptop daily
[16:28] <mungojerry> the inverted nipple on my dell is nice
[16:28] <popey> i value suspend/resume and battery life
[16:28]  * Flashtek manages to crash the Ubuntu installer...
[16:28] <popey> more than I used to
[16:28] <popey> Flashtek, file a bug :)
[16:29] <ikonia> Hmmm I torn, I guess I need to speak to Lenovo to find out their deals before even putting this on the tabl
[16:29] <Flashtek> what's the bug track url ?
[16:29] <ikonia> table
[16:29] <bigcalm> !bugs
[16:29] <bigcalm> Humm
[16:29] <Flashtek> anyone tried not putting in a username at install time...?
[16:30] <popey> ikonia, they mostly sell to business via resellers don't they?
[16:30] <popey> Flashtek, hah, nice, not tried that
[16:30] <popey> does it not complain?
[16:30] <Flashtek> no, but the installer dies !!
[16:30] <popey> ouch
[16:30] <Flashtek> yup
[16:30] <popey> ok, from the live environment run "ubuntu-bug ubiquity"
[16:30] <popey> and follow the prompts
[16:30] <ikonia> popey: they do have a business "team" though so I was hoping they could point me in the right direction
[16:30] <popey> ahh
[16:31] <popey> Flashtek, lemme know the bug number once filed please
[16:31] <Flashtek> roger
[16:31] <popey> or just subscribe me to it, my lp username is popey
[16:31] <popey> or both
[16:31] <popey> :)
[16:31] <popey> tea time!
[16:31] <Flashtek> oh wait.. this is Kubuntu....
[16:32] <Flashtek> does that make much difference ?
[16:34] <livingdaylight> ikonia, i7 laptop for 600? http://tinyurl.com/clfzypl
[16:35] <ikonia> livingdaylight: refrub
[16:36] <ikonia> livingdaylight: look at the processor speed too, it's an old i7
[16:38] <livingdaylight> ikonia, true, still: looks like a nice laptop, 1gb dedicated nvidia graphics card - I like 3years warranty on nit
[16:40] <livingdaylight> shouldn't I be able to right-click over search bar and add a search engine that way in FF ?
[16:40] <livingdaylight> address bar is already populated
[16:44] <ikonia> livingdaylight: I doubt that warrenty is worth much
[16:46] <livingdaylight> ikonia, well, I'm stuck with my Acer for, hopefully, the foreseeable future. gl with your search - you know what you're looking for, which is already half the battle :)
[17:02] <ikonia> well, that's mental, the lenovo site seems to have some sort of random pricing policy
[17:03] <ikonia> I've spec'd out the same product approx 6 times as I kept flicking back and fourth between external suppliers and buying direct from the lenovo website, and for some reason it's just offered me a £380 discount ???
[17:03] <ikonia> check the spec and it's exactly the same as the other one
[17:28] <Flashtek> 1032316
[17:29] <Flashtek> popey: I have added you (I think)
[17:30] <bigcalm> bug 1032316
[17:31] <bigcalm> Is it private?
[17:37] <Flashtek> erm... perhaps..
[17:37] <czajkowski> not showing up
[17:37] <czajkowski> do you have the right number ?
[17:38] <Flashtek> bug 1032306
[17:38] <Flashtek> lol
[17:38] <Flashtek> 06, not 16
[17:38] <czajkowski> there we go
[17:38] <czajkowski> :)
[17:38]  * Flashtek facepalms
[17:39] <czajkowski> easy mistake
[17:42] <Flashtek> it should really go "WTF ???"
[17:45] <JamesTait> 'night all!
[17:45]  * JamesTait waves
[17:47] <davmor2> Flashtek: let me guess you add your details hit continue and it locks up?
[17:47] <Flashtek> nope, dont put in details...
[17:48] <davmor2> Flashtek: yeah clicking continue is the key, does the machine have a webcam by any chance?
[17:48] <Flashtek> no
[17:50] <davmor2> Flashtek: what happens if you add a name?
[17:50] <jacobw> hi
[17:51] <Flashtek> everything else works as expected
[17:59] <Flashtek> and i know that not putting in a name is dumb, but it should allow for that.. after all, this installer is being used by Welsh people.
[18:00] <nja> Hiya
[18:00] <Flashtek> yo
[18:01] <nja> :D
[18:12] <czajkowski> davmor2: do you use skype
[18:12] <davmor2> czajkowski: I do when I have to why?
[18:13] <czajkowski> it keeps dying every signle time
[18:13] <czajkowski> I ring anyone and it hangs
[18:15] <czajkowski> davmor2: go to report it and says the package isnt installed t report it
[18:16] <davmor2> czajkowski: did you install from USC or from their site?
[18:40] <popey> czajkowski, run skype from a terminal and see what it says there?
[18:44] <czajkowski> davmor2: apt -get install
[18:44] <czajkowski> popey: aye
[18:44] <popey> call me if you like :)
[18:45] <czajkowski> in coming
[18:45] <ali1234> sounds familiar
[18:45] <ali1234> i always get that "not installed" thing when skype crashes
[18:51] <DJones> Heh, just got sent a link to some dopey workmen installing bollards http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/561188_478920592118467_730274734_n.jpg
[18:55] <czajkowski> who http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1125717/
[18:55] <czajkowski> wont crash when I need it to crash
[19:03] <Flashtek> kill -9 ?
[19:04] <AlanBell> czajkowski: is sheldon running 32 bit or 64 bit?
[19:05] <czajkowski> 64
[19:05] <AlanBell> oh I get the same messages running from a terminal
[19:06] <popey> bigcalm, does that notification just keep coming up as soon as you press OK?
[19:09] <davmor2> czajkowski, AlanBell: those are just general GTK warnings you'll see them in a load of apps
[19:10] <czajkowski> AlanBell: davmor2 wonder is it if you use video it hangs
[19:10] <davmor2> AlanBell: the interesting one I see is the ATK warning, I have a feeling that, that might mean that A11y won't work with it
[19:10] <czajkowski> doesnt make sense
[19:10]  * bigcalm waddles in
[19:10] <bigcalm> popey: yes
[19:14] <bigcalm> AlanBell: ping
[19:17] <bigcalm> popey: if I hold the power button down, it shows the screen to "slide to power off". But I can't do that because of the notification box
[19:18] <AlanBell> hi bigcalm
[19:18] <bigcalm> popey: so the device is completely unusable now
[19:18] <bigcalm> AlanBell: I am informed that you have a message
[19:19] <popey> interesting
[19:20] <popey> can you tap the message once you have held power down?>
[19:20] <AlanBell> bigcalm: are you reliably informed of this, or were you informed by someone of dubious reliability
[19:21] <bigcalm> Oops, forgotten to feed the neighbour's cat. Best fix that
[19:21] <bigcalm> AlanBell: completely dubious I'd say
[19:21] <bigcalm> AlanBell: so it's likely to be authentic
[19:22] <popey> bigcalm, otherwise you can just force shutdown
[19:22] <popey> hold down the power and home buttons for ~10 seconds
[19:22] <bigcalm> popey: how do I force the shutdown?
[19:22] <bigcalm> Ok
[19:22] <bigcalm> Ta
[19:24] <popey> also
[19:24] <popey> how can you have managed to go 3 weeks without backing up? :)
[19:25] <bigcalm> I don't use it enough to need to plug it in for charging
[19:29] <popey> heh
[19:29] <popey> is it yours?
[19:29] <popey> well, you can force a backup now and than
[19:29] <popey> *then
[19:33]  * Flashtek burps
[19:40] <bigcalm> I can? Ok
[19:40]  * bigcalm does that
[19:45] <AlanBell> http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/24/asus-transformer-pad-infinity-uk-availability/ wonder if that will run Ubuntu
[19:51] <bigcalm> Wondering if I shouldn't have had that ale before starting work on moving svn repos to git
[19:53] <directhex> you can never have too much ale
[19:54] <bigcalm> directhex: I've yet to disprove that statement :)
[19:56] <Flashtek> popey: http://dnac.co.uk/?q=17&a=223
[20:00] <popey> haha Flashtek
[20:12] <WelshDragon> Anyone know if Valve have contacted nouveau at all?
[20:13] <WelshDragon> Or have they only been working with nvidia/amd/intel directly?
[20:13] <popey> why would they contact nouveau?
[20:14] <popey> 3d barely works on nouveau
[20:16] <directhex> valve have stated that they are only supporting vendor drivers, for now
[20:16] <directhex> which means amd-provided, nvidia-provided or intel-provided
[20:17] <ahayzen> popey, 3d is working fine for me on nouveau :)
[20:17] <WelshDragon> 3d on nouveau works fairly good here. It just doesn't perform quite as well.
[20:18] <WelshDragon> But, thanks directhex :)
[20:18] <ahayzen> i was hit by that Nvidia driver bug around 12.04 release and switched to nouveau .... my desktop now actual feels faster :)
[20:19] <directhex> WelshDragon, problem isn't performance, it's features. nouveau can't render most of what modern games use
[20:20] <DJones> AlanBell: You can run Ubuntu on a transformer prime via vnc http://androlinux.com/android-ubuntu-development/how-to-install-ubuntu-on-rooted-transformer-prime/
[20:21] <Azelphur> does anyone else have missing entries in the unity sidebar?
[20:21] <Azelphur> like I have totem playing a video, it's not in the list
[20:22] <ahayzen> Azelphur, GIMP was missing for me earlier
[20:23] <Azelphur> yea, it's driving me nuts :(
[20:23] <Azelphur> if I minimise anything, I can never get back to it again lol
[20:23] <ahayzen> not good :(
[20:24] <DJones> AlanBell: Another link says you can have a native ubuntu install as well http://askubuntu.com/questions/38866/is-it-possible-to-install-ubuntu-on-the-asus-transformer
[20:29] <popey> Azelphur, yup, can happen
[20:29] <popey> Azelphur, often a bamf bug
[20:30] <Azelphur> popey, fun, any workarounds for it?
[20:30] <Azelphur> everything shows up in wmctrl -l
[20:31] <popey> apt-cache policy bamfdaemon
[20:31] <popey> what you got?
[20:35] <popey> Azelphur, ?
[20:36] <Azelphur> sorry
[20:36] <Azelphur> 0.2.118-0ubuntu0.2
[20:37] <Azelphur> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1125870/
[20:38] <popey> Azelphur, I'd recommend filing a bug
[20:38] <popey> against bamfdaemon
[20:38] <Azelphur> fun
[20:40] <popey> we recently fixed some bugs related to this
[20:40] <Azelphur> :)
[20:41] <Azelphur> I'm stuck on a netbook atm, rebuilding my pc, water cooling loop, etc \o/
[20:47] <zleap> nice
[20:54]  * christel noms chinese
[20:54] <bigcalm> :O
[20:54]  * bigcalm coverts christel's chinese
[20:55] <popey> Early night!
[20:55] <popey> nn all
[20:55] <christel> i picked up my herman from AlanBells whilst gareth retrieved yummy chinese food from bon east! now i nom :D
[20:55] <christel> nn popey <3
[20:56] <bigcalm> Late night noms!
[20:56] <christel> mmm
[21:09] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uo_B3CZXTIY
[21:09] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: doesn't quite mix with uupc. I'll listen later :)
[21:10] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: "Late Night Munchies" :)
[21:10] <christel> omnom!
[21:11] <bigcalm> christel: whatcha got?
[21:11] <christel> i have scallops with ginger and spring onions!
[21:11] <christel> i think
[21:11] <bigcalm> Cool
[21:11] <bigcalm> Heh
[21:12] <christel> well, that is what i asked for, so i assume that is what i've got -- however, i also have crispy duck and a sneaky suspicion that i should not have had a starter
[21:12] <christel> because i dont think i can eat anything else
[21:12] <christel> i always forget that i cant eat a full meal anymore :)
[21:22] <dogmatic69> o/
[21:23] <christel> dogmatic69 \o/
[21:23] <christel> i must be turning into bigcalm, i am working at 10:30
[21:23] <christel> :o
[21:23] <bigcalm> I am turning into myself
[21:24] <christel> i say!
[21:24] <christel> that is quite a neat trick
[21:26] <dogmatic69> anyone know why a pc would "lose" its ip config periodically
[21:27] <dogmatic69> almost every day my NAS disconnects and I have to reboot it
[21:39] <n1md4> hello.  possible to install ubuntu on software raid via the installer?  I've created md0 and 1 manually, but the partioner reads them as blocks to further partition :\
[21:45] <directhex> n1md4, the "alternative" installer on cdimage.ubuntu.com uses debian's text-mode installer, which supports exotic partition arrangements including md raid
[21:48] <n1md4> thanks, directhex.  I'm actually going for mythbuntu, so that wouldnt' be an option..  I've sorted it now though.  In the console I made fs on mdX and then kicked the installer, and it seemed to work fine with that :)
[21:56] <bigcalm> "svn propedit svn:ignore" Is there a way of dumping to a file the content of svn:ignore rather than having to copy it out of an editor?
[21:57] <dogmatic69>  > file.txt ?
[21:58] <bigcalm> propedit puts you into an editor
[21:58] <bigcalm> proplist lists what svn: items there are


[10:15] <buscon> hi,
[10:15] <buscon> is there a realtime kernel to install from the repository for Ubuntu 18.04?
[16:35] <Eickmeyer> !rt


[09:38] <dotwaffle> Anyone here in Finland? Looking for someone to interview for AssemblyTV about Ubuntu and/or FLOSS in August.
[09:40] <dotwaffle> msg in private if interested.
[09:40] <Burgundavia> try the marketing and the loco-contacts lists
[09:41] <dotwaffle> one step ahead of you - drafting an email now ;)
[09:41] <dotwaffle> thought it best to pop it in here first
[09:44] <MenZa> @_@
[09:54] <Burgundavia> dotwaffle: one person I would try and contact is Henrik. He is in Helsinki
[09:54] <dotwaffle> Do you have any contact details, or will a google search be best?
[09:54] <Burgundavia> he is articulate, a Canonical employee and all around great guy
[09:54] <dotwaffle> Ah, super :)
[09:55] <dotwaffle> Henrik Nilsen Omma <henrik canonical com> ?
[09:55] <Burgundavia> https://launchpad.net/~henrik
[09:55] <Burgundavia> yep
[09:55] <dotwaffle> thx =)
[09:55] <Burgundavia> dotwaffle: I have also flagged it for the UWN
[09:56] <dotwaffle> cheers - can't make it TOO prominent a feature, Windows Vista is a core sponsor, but I've been told it's ok to do a small interview or feature etc.
[09:56] <dotwaffle> Get the word out etc ;)
[09:57] <Burgundavia> dotwaffle: you heard about operation cold comfort?
[09:58] <Burgundavia> hey gerry
[09:58] <dotwaffle> no - should I have :S
[09:58] <gerry> morning all
[09:59] <gerry> you might all like to know there is a new starter in Canonical marketing this morning
[09:59] <Burgundavia> dotwaffle: so MS Canada has this shiny icehouse in a Toronto square over teh winter, showcasing Vista
[09:59] <Burgundavia> cool
[09:59] <gerry> Kat Kinnie, working with me in the Millbank office
[09:59] <dotwaffle> Burgundavia: Ah, yes, I did hear about that ;)
[09:59] <Burgundavia> we will have to haze^^WWWwelcome them properly, gerry
[10:00] <Burgundavia> dotwaffle: the plans for that penguin are freely available
[10:00] <Burgundavia> gerry: what sort of projects is kat going to be working on?
[10:00] <dotwaffle> Burgundavia: Can't be disruptive - they give us money to sponsor the event
[10:00] <dotwaffle> :S
[10:01] <Burgundavia> showing up a giant penguin is not really disruptive
[10:02] <dotwaffle> it's a possibility, let's put it that way :)
[10:08] <gerry> might take a day or so to get systems up and running etc but i am sure she'll introduce herself soon enough
[10:08] <gerry> by the way anyone here from france?
[10:08] <gerry> quelqu'un?
[10:08] <gerry> or is there anyone in ubuntu marketing from france who is not online right now?
[10:11] <Madpilot>  #ubuntu-fr is apparently fairly active - might want to go right to the source
[10:15] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: does my latest blog post show up with images for you?
[10:15] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, in planet.u.c, yes.
[10:15] <Burgundavia> cool, they were not working before
[10:15] <Madpilot> nice dropshadows. messing about in the GIMP?
[10:15] <Burgundavia> yep
[10:15] <Burgundavia> purely default GIMP
[11:18] <jenda> hello gerry
[11:18] <jenda> gerry: did you get my email about the forums?
[11:19] <jenda> gerry: I'm having some trouble communicating there, which is why the announcement never happened :/ at least there was the sticky.
[11:20] <jenda> gerry: and as for loco team people - the best place is #ubuntu-locoteams - Yann and olive are two french loco/marketing guys.
[11:21] <jenda> (both frequent the channel)
[12:33] <gerry> hi guys should have marked myself as away
[12:33] <gerry> i'll head direct to france
[01:46] <Mike_F> jenda:what's up
[01:47] <jenda> Fighting with a .mdb file :(
[01:47] <jenda> a _very_ important one :(
[01:47] <Mike_F> okay, i'll catch you later then
[01:51] <jenda> Mike_F: no, no - I'm available :)
[01:54] <Mike_F> i was think about making flash sticks with ubuntu on them and wanted to ask if i can use the freedom poster
[01:55] <Mike_F> i would sell them though ebay as a way to cross promote ubuntu and my own business
[01:55] <jenda> of course
[01:55] <jenda> it's GPL :)
[01:55] <jenda> and CC-SA
[01:55] <jenda> oh
[01:56] <jenda> weeell
[01:56] <jenda> you better check that out with<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:56] <jenda> (regarding the crosspromotion)
[01:56] <jenda> and read the trademark policy
[01:56] <jenda> that's outta my jurisdiction :D
[01:57] <juliux> hey Vorian
[01:57] <Vorian> hello
[01:57] <Vorian> I got your message on IRC yesterday :)
[01:58] <juliux> Vorian, cool
[01:58] <juliux> jenda, i have bad news for you
[01:58] <Vorian> Thanks juliux :)
[01:58] <jenda> juliux: oh no
[01:58] <juliux> jenda, could be that i am not in dresden the last week of june
[01:58] <jenda> uh oh
[01:58] <jenda> now that's bad news :(
[01:59] <jenda> I need you there on the 29th :D
[01:59] <juliux> jenda, i get a phone call yesterday, and there is a company who whants to give me an apprenticeship training position but bevor that i should make a three week internship by them
[02:00] <jenda> yeauch
[02:00] <juliux> and perhpas this intership starts at 25th june
[02:00] <jenda> and there's no way to move that or make a hole in it for the 29th? Beuno and I both have a ticket already.
[02:00] <jenda> ok
[02:00] <juliux> it is not 100% sure but it could be
[02:01] <jenda> ok
[02:02] <jenda> well, try to keep free if you can - it would complicate matters a lot. But if you can't, you can't.
[02:02] <Mike_F> jenda: I have no clue after reading the trademark stuff.
[02:03] <jenda> Mike_F: in that case, write them an email :)
[02:03] <Mike_F> I that i am trying to do is recover the cost of the flash sticks
[02:03] <jenda> Mike_F: I'm not a big fan of the trademark policy myself
[02:03] <juliux> jenda, trademark policy is important
[02:03] <jenda> juliux: of course - but I think the one we have isn't right.
[02:04] <juliux> jenda, then go to the cc;)
[02:04] <jenda> first to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:04] <jenda> :)
[02:04] <jenda> I have an email half written - it takes a lot of concentration to get all my argumentation together :)
[02:05] <Mike_F> i would perfer a phone call
[02:07] <jenda> I hate my english accent.
[02:08] <jenda> Mike_F: and they take only emails, because they get a lot of them.
[02:08] <jenda> They can also discuss what you wrote, etc.
[02:08] <jenda> You have to outline what exactly you want to do, and essentially ask if its OK.
[02:14] <beuno> jenda, juliux, jeep me updated on that
[02:14] <beuno> jenda: I'll be going to meet you anyway  :D
[02:30] <jenda> beuno: :)
[02:30] <Tm_T> hi kids
[02:30] <jenda> beuno: we'll have an extra day of drinkin' ;)
[02:30] <Vorian> I wanna come too
[02:30] <Vorian> :(
[02:31] <jenda> Vorian: you're invited :)
[02:31] <Vorian> you have a plane ticket for me?
[02:31] <Vorian> :)
[02:33] <Mike_F> jenda: I guess they are just going to be linux sticks
[02:34] <jenda> Mike_F: you should check with Linus ;)
[02:34] <jenda> Vorian: erm... no? :)
[02:34] <Vorian> jenda, ok then
[02:34] <Vorian> boston  it will have to be :)
[02:38] <jenda> Vorian: got a ticket for me? :)
[02:39] <Vorian> jenda, nope.  but sabdfl said he was going to get one for you.
[02:39] <jenda> :)
[02:39] <jenda> Something tells me it'll be increasingly hard to get sponsorship.
[02:40] <Vorian> here's an idea
[02:40] <Vorian> make a python script that helps people install programs
[02:40] <Vorian> call it
[02:40] <Vorian> Automated Installer x
[02:40] <jenda> :D
[02:40] <Vorian> :)
[02:41] <Vorian> That's a sure way to get a ticket
[02:41] <jenda> I quit teh installer script business almost two years ago ;)
[02:41] <jenda> And BTW, if I did do that, I wouldn't need a ticket.
[02:42] <jenda> I'd be god, and thus be everywhere :)
[02:46] <Vorian> haha
[03:07] <Mike_F> jenda: if ubuntu's trademark policy should be as clear as the Linux(R) policy
[03:08] <Mike_F> it would be easier for people that need to make a living
[04:27] <Vorian> jenda, I made a poster for you
[04:27] <Vorian> http://www.glennbeck.com/dayaftertomorrow/userposter6.pdf
[09:07] <orethrius> What's everyone been up to...?
[09:07] <orethrius> Besides the obvious, of course.  ;)
[09:12] <Tm_T> obvious would be...
[09:49] <orethrius> Well, besides the general marketing drive - perhaps some specific actions, or even development work?  Just curious.
[11:04] <tsmithe> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-marketing/2007-June/002063.html