[18:16] <DarkLinkXXXX> So, I recently submitted this bug report... https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/1247536
[18:16] <DarkLinkXXXX> But then I found this comment on a similar bug... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bzr-stats/+bug/1040560/comments/1
[18:16] <DarkLinkXXXX> Apparently get_ancestry was deprecated a while ago. Does this mean the bug was in the plugin I was using rather then bzr?
[23:22] <spiv> DarkLinkXXXX: yes, probably.


[02:09] <killown> kde 4.9 has a new feature that you need wait two seconds to start to move the windows if you don't follow this rule your window will get stuck
[02:09] <killown> what feature!
[02:55] <killown> help me downgrade from kde 4.9? this is the worst release ever, I discovered know the bug that I was having with wine is a kde fault, it mess with the games screens
[02:56] <killown> thousand of bugs, and I peoples released it as stable?
[02:57] <killown> I am so irritated that I am writing wrong, the previous kde versions was working fine
[03:02] <Daskreech> killown: Ok remove teh backports ppa
[03:04] <tuv0k> talk about oveeerreacting
[03:05] <tuv0k> and just removing the ppa will not downgrade the packages
[03:28] <Daskreech> tuv0k: First step but granted not being able to movewindows is a very annoying bug
[04:20] <dougl> Can anyone help me install/config cups on my kubuntu 12.04 install?
[04:24] <Daskreech> dougl: Shoot
[04:26] <dougl> Daskreech, I cannot seem to do a clean install of cups... was working then I installed a printer and all hell broke loose...
[04:27] <dougl> from there I took a number of steps in the wrong direction and now I want to start from scratch but am un able to
[04:29] <dougl> I install cups and printers and try to print to them and get errors that google never heard of.
[04:31] <Daskreech> dougl: ok so ... you want a clean config ?
[04:31] <dougl> yes completely clean
[04:33] <Daskreech> tar -czf ~/poorpoorcups.tgz /etc/cups/  && sudo apt-get remove cups --purge && sudo apt-get install cups --reinstall
[04:35] <dougl> had to sudo the tar command too... done
[04:37] <dougl> Daskreech, all went well then I add a printer and try a test page I get There was an error during the CUPS operation: 'client-error-not-found'.
[04:37] <dougl> add a samba printer
[04:38] <Daskreech> which printer is this?
[04:38] <dougl> cx5000
[04:38] <dougl> epson
[04:38] <dougl> I have tried adding another samba printer on the xp machine too and get the same error
[04:43] <Daskreech> dougl: It adds fine?
[04:43] <dougl> fine - no errors messages ... nothing
[04:43] <dougl> adds fine
[04:44] <Daskreech> Laptop?
[04:44] <dougl> desktop
[04:44] <Daskreech> poop
[04:44] <dougl> crap
[04:44] <Daskreech> would be interesting to know if you connected it directly if it worked ok
[04:44] <dougl> same
[04:45] <dougl> it does the same thing
[04:46] <dougl> printing test page from cups web interface = error and printing test page from system settings= error too
[04:50] <Daskreech> when you put the printer directly on the computer?
[04:50] <dougl> yes same happens
[04:51] <Daskreech> http://openprinting.org/printer/Epson/Epson-Stylus_CX5000
[04:51] <Daskreech> !info gutenprint
[04:52] <dougl> that is the printer
[04:52] <Daskreech> !info printer-driver-gutenprint
[04:52] <Daskreech> There we go
[04:53] <Daskreech> That should be installed
[04:53] <dougl> yes it gets installed
[04:53] <Daskreech> Ok cool
[04:54] <Daskreech> I"m trying to figure out why accessing a samba printer makes cups restart here
[04:54] <dougl> what is the tail command so I can watch cups error log.
[04:55] <Daskreech> tail -f /var/log/cups/error.log
[04:55] <dougl> thxz
[05:00] <dougl> Daskreech, thanks for the help but I gotta hit the sack been at this since this am - catch you later
[05:00] <Daskreech> dougl: Ok guess wewill both regroup in the moring
[05:00] <Daskreech> morning
[05:01] <dougl> sounds good - thanks again... this one is really pissing me off going backwards real fast ya know, sleep tight see you in the am
[06:50] <Nicekiwi> anyone here?
[07:07] <Nicekiwi> is there a PPA or .DEB for the 1.0 release for Ubuntu?
[07:08] <Phiscribe> release of what?
[07:09] <Phiscribe> Nicekiwi, a 1.0 relase of what?
[07:09] <Nicekiwi> woops, of rekonq
[07:10] <Nicekiwi> Stable PPA i should say..
[07:10] <Phiscribe> oh, i dont know that one, i just use the official repo
[07:10] <Phiscribe> you want daily builds or just what?
[07:14] <Phiscribe> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports/+index?field.series_filter=precise  think rekonq for 12.04 is in there, should be in standard if your trying 12.10
[07:14] <Phiscribe> Nicekiwi ^
[07:15] <Nicekiwi> Phiscribe: its not there
[07:16] <Phiscribe> doh sorry they said it was gonna be in backports
[07:16] <Nicekiwi> :/ lame
[07:54] <livingdaylight> hi
[07:55] <livingdaylight> I changed themes, but haven't been able to change the default and imo ugly default kde-grey in all apps and configuration dialogs. Which setting is that? thanks
[07:57] <livingdaylight> Also, does Dolphin have a preference tab? can only move things to wastebin right now, rahter than outright delete
[07:58] <livingdaylight> Also, dragging and dropping folders into other folders a pop-up dialog asks if I wish to cope or move HERE. Is it possible to just have it move and drop the folder without further option-dialogs popping up? It adds an unnecessary step
[11:27] <paddy> hello everyone
[11:29] <mydogsnameisrudy> morning paddy
[11:29] <paddy> good evening :)
[11:29] <mydogsnameisrudy> ok ;)
[11:50] <phoenix_firebrd> hello everyone
[11:51] <mydogsnameisrudy> morning phoenix_firebrd
[11:51] <phoenix_firebrd> mydogsnameisrudy: hi
[11:52]  * mydogsnameisrudy get new cup of coffee
[11:53] <paddy> can anyone pls help me to install tomcat server on ubuntu 12.04?
[11:53] <paddy> pls pls plsssss
[11:54] <paddy> :( no one here to help me
[11:55] <mydogsnameisrudy> wow in a big hurry ;)
[12:24] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:24] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: hi
[12:24] <livingdaylight> hi
[12:25] <mydogsnameisrudy> morning BluesKaj
[12:25] <BluesKaj> hi phoenix_firebrd, livingdaylight, mydogsnameisrudy ...gonna be a hot one again today
[12:26] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: hot one?
[12:26] <BluesKaj> hot day
[12:26] <livingdaylight> BluesKaj, its another grey, windy one here ;)
[12:27] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: oh, here its dark and raining, climate is pleasant:)
[12:27] <livingdaylight> phoenix_firebrd, where do you live? :)
[12:27] <phoenix_firebrd> livingdaylight: India
[12:28] <BluesKaj> livingdaylight, not so nice for the olympics , participants in the outdoor events and the fans
[12:28] <livingdaylight> phoenix_firebrd, monsoon?
[12:28] <phoenix_firebrd> livingdaylight: yep
[12:28] <livingdaylight> phoenix_firebrd, nice :)
[12:28] <phoenix_firebrd> :)
[12:29] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, you wouldn't consider 31C hot but here we do :)
[12:29] <livingdaylight> BluesKaj, indeed not. Last week I was there: we had tickets for basketball and were totally rained on :/
[12:29] <BluesKaj> livingdaylight, bummer
[12:30] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: personally 18 c is hot for me
[12:30] <livingdaylight> with their multi-billion pound budget they did not spend 1 penny on providing shelter of any sort.
[12:31] <phoenix_firebrd> ??
[12:31] <livingdaylight> the corporatelympics has nothing to do with real people on the ground
[12:31] <BluesKaj> empty seats purchased \for the elite and their cronies
[12:31] <livingdaylight> yup
[12:32] <Peace-> BluesKaj: hot day ? http://wstaw.org/m/2012/08/04/plasma-desktoptt1881.png
[12:33] <BluesKaj> yup, the olympis has always had an elitist attitude
[12:36] <livingdaylight> I changed theme in kubuntu but apps and configuration dialogs still have the default kde-grey background. Can those be changed?
[12:39] <BluesKaj> livingdaylight, yes , did you change the colour or the desktop window decoration ?
[12:40] <livingdaylight> BluesKaj, I changed the theme, which changed taskbar (panels) . No, didn't look at window decoration
[12:42] <BluesKaj> livingdaylight,the panel theme is the window decor as wel , the colour theme is what you want in system settings application appearance
[12:42] <season> hello?
[12:43] <BluesKaj> I have an addiction to blue themes so i run the marble
[12:43] <BluesKaj> hi season
[12:44] <season> when i press Shift+1 i got "
[12:44] <season> why?
[12:44] <season> hello BluesKaj
[12:44] <season> :p
[12:44] <season> i've chosen ubuntu yet
[12:45] <season> i have given up opensuse and fedora because of too many problems
[12:47] <BluesKaj> check your locale in system settings
[12:47] <BluesKaj> season,^
[12:47] <season> i've chosen china
[12:48] <season> and the 2nd tab i've chosen simplified chinese as my prefer language
[12:53] <season> no body hears me :(
[12:54] <BluesKaj> season, system settings>input devices>keyboard>advanced
[12:56] <season> @BluesKaj
[12:56] <season> @BluesKaj and then?
[12:58] <BluesKaj> season, try different settings there
[12:59] <season> wow,there are so many settings
[13:00] <livingdaylight> season, apparently that is what kde users want. If they don't; they'll to want them ;)
[13:02] <BluesKaj> season, I only use to defeat the caps lock , otherwise I don't know much
[13:03] <LogicallyDashing> hi
[13:03] <mydogsnameisrudy> low
[13:03] <LogicallyDashing> My question might be Wine-specific, I'm not sure
[13:03] <LogicallyDashing> I've had Steam running under Wine for some time now, and just recently it stopped displaying text
[13:03] <LogicallyDashing> Text of any sort
[13:03] <LogicallyDashing> *Except* for the Steam Updater
[13:04] <LogicallyDashing> I thought it might be a font problem but I've installed all of the fonts that Winetricks has
[13:04] <LogicallyDashing> Maybe it's something to do with KDE after all?
[13:08] <season> :(
[13:10] <season> but my computer run well with windows 7
[13:10] <BluesKaj> perhaps the chinese KB 2nd tab setting affects the shift settings , season
[13:13] <season> you means i should set preferred language is english?
[13:13] <BluesKaj> season, I don't know for sure , I'm speculating
[13:14] <season> thanks,i've changed it.but...
[13:16] <BluesKaj> !cn
[13:17] <BluesKaj> maybe they can help you season ^
[13:17] <season> let me try,thanks BlueKaj
[13:25] <phoenix_firebrd> bbl
[14:27] <marcnesium2000> Hi guys! I have a little problem here: my mixer does not remember my last volume setting after reboot. That's quite annoying, since i often start my laptop in a library ; ) i'm using ubuntu 12.04 with kde 4.8.4. Does anyone know something about that? is there a config file i could modify? Or something else?
[14:45] <dougl> Daskreech, morning, you around?
[14:53] <dougl> so quiet in here you can hear a ping drop!
[15:11] <BluesKaj> dougl, ping !
[15:13] <dougpad> How are you?
[15:17] <dougpad> Anyone have time to help me fix cups... I backed up/moved some cups directories and broke my cupsnconfig
[15:23] <livingdaylight> Yo!
[15:28] <dougl> Yo listen to a story bout a man named blue...
[15:29] <livingdaylight> If someone drops in at some point: Wondering how to move "new activity bar" after its dropped down http://clip2net.com/s/2b2pt Sorry, if I'm not using the correct names still at this point
[15:30] <marcnesium2000> sorry about possible repost, but i lost connection... Hi guys! I have a little problem here: my mixer does not remember my last volume setting after reboot. That's quite annoying, since i often start my laptop in a library ; ) i'm using ubuntu 12.04 with kde 4.8.4. Does anyone know something about that? is there a config file i could modify? Or something else?
 sorry about possible repost, but i lost connection... Hi guys! I have a little problem here: my mixer does not remember my last volume setting after reboot. That's quite annoying, since i often start my laptop in a library ; ) i'm using ubuntu 12.04 with kde 4.8.4. Does anyone know something about that? is there a config file i could modify? Or something else? << if he comes back, ask him to make sure that his master
[15:48] <shadeslayer> channel is set properly
[15:50] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: yo
[15:50] <Daskreech> dougl: yep
[15:55] <dougl> Daskreech, good morning, how are you today?
[16:06] <Daskreech> !info tomcat
[16:09] <Daskreech> marcnesium2000: as in You turn off the sound log out and log back in and the sound turns back on?
[16:09] <Daskreech> dougl: I'm fine
[16:10] <dougl> Daskreech, messing with my printer issues here - you still up for the challenge?
[16:12] <Daskreech> dougl: Sure
[16:12] <Daskreech> marcnesium2000: do you have  anew session everytime You login or is it a saved session?
[16:12] <dougl> Daskreech, k - just finishing the train of thot I am on and we can at least chat and with any luck fix.
[16:12] <dougl> brb
[16:13] <marcnesium2000> Daskreech: a new session
[16:13] <Daskreech> marcnesium2000: Ah that might be setting it back to KDE defaults at boot
[16:14] <marcnesium2000> do you know, where these default settings reside?
[16:14] <marcnesium2000> would be ok for me, if i could change the default
[16:16] <dougl> Daskreech, ok back now from a fresh boot after purging cup thru apt get
[16:16] <Daskreech> dougl: train of thot sounds like an interesting book
[16:16] <shadeslayer> marcnesium2000: dpkg -L kubuntu-default-settings
[16:17] <Daskreech> marcnesium2000: can you type qdbus org.kde.kmix /kmix/KMixWindow/actions/mute com.trolltech.Qt.QAction.trigger in a konsole?
[16:17] <dougl> Daskreech, would be but the train derailed - lol
[16:18] <Daskreech> Interesting plot and rail twist
[16:18] <dougl> :)
[16:18] <marcnesium2000> it mutes, but throws:
[16:18] <marcnesium2000> Unable to load library icui18n "Cannot load library icui18n: (libicui18n.so.48: falsche ELF-Klasse: ELFCLASS64)"
[16:18] <Daskreech> marcnesium2000: if you run it again does it unmute ?
[16:18] <marcnesium2000> yapp
[16:19] <Daskreech> ah ok thats good
[16:20] <marcnesium2000> default kmixrc is uninteresting...
[16:20] <marcnesium2000> must be somewhere else
[16:22] <dougl> I did "sudo tar -czf ~/poorpoorcups1.tgz /etc/cups/  && sudo apt-get remove cups --purge && sudo apt-get install cups --reinstall" and my prompt never came back -> hung at "Updating PPD files for ppd-updaters ..." on the screen can someone give me some moral support - what is it doing?
[16:23] <marcnesium2000> Daskreech: you suggest a little script that is executed by autostart? have to try that... not sure if it is executed before startsound...
[16:25] <Daskreech> dougl: There there. There there
[16:26] <dougl> Daskreech, LOL
[16:26] <dougl> Daskreech, cups install seems to have hung...
[16:26] <Daskreech> marcnesium2000: it should be. It would go in ~/.kde/Autostart
[16:26] <Daskreech> dougl: how long has it sat there?
[16:27] <dougl> sudo apt-get install cups --reinstall = E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[16:27] <marcnesium2000> Daskreech: you know what this error msg mean? you get that tt?
[16:27] <dougl> Daskreech, about 5 min...
[16:27] <dougl> maybe 10
[16:27] <Daskreech> marcnesium2000: No It's a internationalization string error (i18n) is short for internationalization
[16:27] <Daskreech> dougl: ick
[16:27] <Daskreech> ok
[16:27] <Daskreech> is apt stopped now?
[16:28] <dougl> no
[16:28] <dougl> still hanging
[16:28] <marcnesium2000> Daskreech: ah, ok.
[16:28] <Daskreech> ctrl+C it
[16:28] <marcnesium2000> Daskreech: thanx 4 ur help!
[16:28] <dougl> I tried nothing happens adn apt-get does not show up in htop
[16:28] <dougl> or top
[16:30] <Daskreech> marcnesium2000: I think that putting that command into a script in ~/.kde/Autostart and making it executable should mute the sound on login
[16:30] <Daskreech> dougl: you ctrl+C the apt-get ?
[16:30] <Daskreech> did you
[16:31] <dougl> yes and nothing happens
[16:31] <BluesKaj> Daskreech, did you see thresponse your question in #kde ?  "kmix configure .... restore volume on login"
[16:31] <Daskreech> Yes I was looking for the restore volumes
[16:31] <Daskreech> marcnesium2000: can you open the mixer
[16:31] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: thanks
[16:32] <Daskreech> dougl: <_<
[16:32] <marcnesium2000> Daskreech: yapp, no prob
[16:32] <Daskreech> marcnesium2000: settings -> configure Kmix -> restore volumes on login
[16:32] <marcnesium2000> Daskreech: but haven't tried restart yet
[16:32] <dougl> Daskreech> dougl: <_< =?
[16:33] <Daskreech> marcnesium2000: test away
[16:33] <marcnesium2000> yeah, found that one before, does not work
[16:33] <Daskreech> dougl: do you have dpkg in your processes?
[16:34] <dougl> checking
[16:35] <dougl> Daskreech> dougl: do you have dpkg in your processes? No
[16:35] <Daskreech> dougl: <_<
[16:35] <Daskreech> v_V
[16:35] <Daskreech> ok I'm guessing this is in a konsole? ^_^
[16:36] <dougl> yes
[16:40] <dougl> Daskreech, this is messed... I closed the konsole and "sudo apt-get install cups --reinstall" = "E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)" still
[16:42] <martian5252> hey can i ask a question
[16:42] <martian5252> ?
[16:43] <BluesKaj> !ask | martian5252
[16:43] <Daskreech> domino2au: good
[16:43] <Daskreech> martian5252: yes
[16:44] <martian5252> How can I get the windows 7 window list in KDE where it uses icons for each window?
[16:45] <Daskreech> dougl: You rebooted?
[16:45] <Daskreech> martian5252: alt+f2 -> switcher
[16:45] <dougl> Daskreech, I don't know what is going on but my box is going down hill real quick - yes rebooted...
[16:46] <Daskreech> dougl: Oh I was goign to tell you how to fix that when I got a call
[16:46] <Daskreech> it's a simple thing
[16:46] <Daskreech> hi livingdaylight
[16:46] <livingdaylight> aloha Daskreech
[16:47] <dougl> Daskreech, and tried to reinstall cups again and got a message..."sudo apt-get install cups" = "E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem." so I did that and it hangs at the same message...
[16:48] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: it has a modifier beside the names just press the key before you let go the mouse button
[16:48] <dougl> sudo dpkg --configure -a = Setting up cups (1.5.3-0ubuntu2) ..., Updating PPD files for cups ... and Updating PPD files for ppd-updaters ... and it hangs
[16:48] <Daskreech> dougl: do you have dpkg in the listing now?
[16:48] <Daskreech> ps aux | grep dpkg
[16:48] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: aloha
[16:49] <livingdaylight> Daskreech, you referring to moving my activity thingy/
[16:49] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: no that's different you need ihatethecashew for that
[16:49] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: That was for the pop up when moving files
[16:50] <dougl> Daskreech, ps aux | grep dpkg = doug      2525  0.0  0.0   9376   924 pts/1    S+   11:49   0:00 grep --color=auto dpkg
[16:51] <dougl> Daskreech, ps aux | grep dpkg = doug      2525  0.0  0.0   9376   924 pts/1    S+   11:49   0:00 grep --color=auto dpkg
[16:51] <livingdaylight> Daskreech, ahhh, moving the files! - yes yes... hrmm.. don't see what you mean. I'll have a look later when I'm back on Kubuntu. I'm on the laptop right now. i'll look up "ihatethecashew nut" also - thx for that
[16:52] <dougl> Daskreech, this time I did ctrl+c and it quits but installing cups again makes it hang at same spot... "Updating PPD files for ppd-updaters ..."
[16:52] <Daskreech> dougl: ok leave it for a while. Just occurred to me the ppd configuring might take a while
[16:53] <Daskreech> dougl: In the meantime. .. Umm how's things?
[16:54] <dougl> Daskreech, what can I say... it is linux => about as easy as a root canal and twice as fun!
[16:55] <Daskreech> Hooray fun :)
[16:55] <dougl> Daskreech, pisses me off tho... how hard is it to install a fekin printer... this is day 3
[16:56] <Daskreech> dougl: Well if it's anything like mine It's probably samba. Works fine connected but something between Apple and Microsoft makes cups and samba hate each other
[16:57] <dougl> Daskreech, I have it printing to both samba printers connected to my XP box from my notebook 12.04 install
[16:58] <Daskreech> dougl: yep same kind of issue here too.
[16:58] <dougl> WTF
[16:59] <Daskreech> at least your cups stays up. Mine tries to print says it can't find the printer. Puts the job on hold, decides it needs to reboot, restarts the CUPS server then prints the job 4 hours later
[17:00] <dougl> Daskreech, now that productivity...
[17:01] <Daskreech> Yeah but I suspect it's cups. Apple owns it and recently announced they were going to put in changes that would make things work better for Apple products but might possibly screw up other UNIXes
[17:01] <Daskreech> So it really likes Appletalk type protocols now
[17:02] <dougl> Daskreech, New and improved then half the function disappears and the other half breaks everything else... that is a Microsoft approach
[17:04] <Daskreech> dougl: Well as I said basically run by Microsoft and Apple so \o/
[17:04] <Daskreech> Samba has good guys so I'm trying to see if I can get it sorted from that side
[17:04] <Daskreech>  CUPS guys basically stopped talking to people even more than they did before once they all got hired by Apple
[17:06] <dougl> Daskreech, that is too bad
[17:06] <Daskreech> dougl: I think it will get fixed but wish I knew what it was doing the logs are very opaque
[17:07] <dougl> Daskreech, I dont get much out of cups logs either
[17:08] <BluesKaj> I gave up on printers/cups after 11.10 .after that none of our HPs would print , from a basic 50buck printer up to a fancy all in one my daughter used on her mac ..none wilkl work on kubuntu anymore . I gave up trying to figure out what's wrong . Just transfer the file to wife's windows pc and she prints it for me
[17:11] <dougl> BluesKaj, I think that is what I have to settle for now... but like I was saying to Daskreech - I am going backwards... 1st I got 2 images and double spaced, 2nd I got cups errors when trying to print test page and now cups does not even install.
[17:11] <BluesKaj> it's adamn shame ..HP used to be linux friendly
[17:11] <dougl> Yeah but the print catridges are so much money.
[17:12] <BluesKaj> we just print in blck and white and grayscale at that
[17:13] <BluesKaj> we don't need to print fancy colours for nothing
[17:13] <dougl> That is not too bad... at least you arent throwing away un used ink in single multi colourd cartridge.
[17:14] <dougl> Updating PPD files for ppd-updaters ... still going = How long is this supposed to take?
[17:15] <BluesKaj> yeah I tried the ppd file route too , but they failed too ..think there's some communication problem between the pc and the printer even with the right drivers
[17:16] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: Well they started openprinting.org to take back control of the printing stack.
[17:17] <BluesKaj> llke Daskreech , said the jobs queue just sits athere and does nothing , and don't have patience to wait for hrs
[17:18] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: I have it slightly worse I'm trying to get this working for a business printing receipts for customers
[17:18] <BluesKaj> lexmark is the worst brand for linux , but really works well on windows 7
[17:19] <BluesKaj> Daskreech, not good :(
[17:19] <Daskreech> I know :-(
[17:19] <Qazax> Printing in general is crap. There should be a generic printing driver, like the default VGA driver
[17:19] <Daskreech> well lexmark recently committed to opening all their drivers to get them working on linux
[17:19] <dougl> my samsung is doing the exact same thing my lexmard did 10 years aga... that is why I changed to HP then Epson and now samsung
[17:20] <dougl> ago
[17:20] <Daskreech> Qazax: should be but doubtful the printing industry would ever do that. They make a lot of money on drivers
[17:20] <Daskreech> Samsung actualyl has a linux printer page
[17:20] <Daskreech> I was impressed with that :)
[17:20] <Qazax> Daskreech: Yup, not thinking what is best for the customers and more what is best for their pockets :(
[17:21] <BluesKaj> dask  I havent seen one for the Lexmark  X5470 , but I understand their driver support for business class printing is actually very good in linux
[17:21] <Daskreech> Qazax: They are legally obligated to do that.
[17:21] <BluesKaj> Daskreech,^
[17:21] <Daskreech> dpending on the situation they can be charged for thinking in terms of the consumer
[17:21] <Qazax> how so? *interested*
[17:21] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: ok
[17:21] <Qazax> because of shares?
[17:22] <Daskreech> Qazax: Yes. if it's a publicly shared company
[17:22] <Daskreech> Private can do whatever they want of course
[17:22] <Qazax> swings and roundabouts
[17:23] <Qazax> I'm lucky I don't need to print stuf at home :)
[17:23] <Qazax> *stuff
[17:23] <Qazax> Speaking of Linux support, the Spotify app is really good
[17:23] <Daskreech> I do print at home but not across samba so it's pretty easy
[17:23] <Qazax> it sucked through Wine
[17:25] <dougl> Daskreech, konsole is stuck again... any suggestions?
[17:26] <Daskreech> Yeah a lot more companies are rolling out on Linux and some are even starting on Linux and then porting to Windows so things are looking up
[17:26] <Daskreech> dougl: Wish I knew which process was doing the ppd configuring
[17:28] <Daskreech> Part of the point of CUPs  (and X ) is that you are not supposed to install it yourself. cause it's a pain
[17:28] <Daskreech> I think installing the kernel is less fiddly
[17:28] <dougl> Daskreech, ps aux | grep dpkg = 'root      2535  0.0  0.2  17508  6104 pts/3    Ss+  11:49   0:00 /usr/bin/dpkg --status-fd 65 --configure cups:amd64 printer-driver-gutenprint:amd64', 'root      2536  0.0  0.6  59608 12760 pts/3    S+   11:49   0:00 /usr/bin/perl -w /usr/share/debconf/frontend /var/lib/dpkg/info/cups.postinst configure', 'root      2546  0.0  0.0   4392   764 pts/3    S+   11:49   0:00 /bin/sh /var/lib/dpkg/info/cups.post
[17:28] <dougl> inst configure' and  'doug      3080  0.0  0.0   9376   924 pts/1    S+   12:25   0:00 grep --color=auto dpkg'
[17:28] <Daskreech> dougl: Ah there we go it's running
[17:28] <dougl> Daskreech, ?
[17:30] <Daskreech> it's configuring the printer-driver-gutenprint package
[17:31] <dougl> Daskreech, that is the thing... it has been running for about 35 minutes... I did a dist-upgrade on a slower machine - Can you tell it is doing something for sure or is it hung saying it is doing something?
[17:32] <Daskreech> dougl: I think the issue is the --reinstall I did it's configuring everything from scratch
[17:32] <Daskreech> and upgrade will only replce parts that changed
[17:32] <Daskreech> the --reinstall wipes everything and starts over. CUPS is kinda big
[17:33] <dougl> Daskreech, ok - but this is a "sudo apt-get install cups"
[17:33] <dougl> not the reintall that I was tryihng befor I rebooted.
[17:33] <Daskreech> dougl: yes but it already did a wipe so it's picking up from where that left off
[17:35] <dougl> Daskreech, I trust you... so I will let it go while I go for coffee - If need be you'll have to do the "there there" for moral support again - LOL
[17:36] <Daskreech> there there :)
[17:37] <livingdaylight> dougl, Daskreech is da man
[17:37] <Daskreech> Ok I'll step out to get some grub as well and come back
[17:37] <livingdaylight> Look what I stumbled upon in Synaptic, lol http://phttp://pastebin.com/bygUYdVCastebin.com/bygUYdVC
[17:38] <dougl> livingdaylight, I like the channel and ppl here :)
[17:39] <livingdaylight> dougl, tbh, its the people that have kept me in Kubuntu this far. KDE is not ''home'' for me, but slowly getting used to it.
[17:40] <BluesKaj> livingdaylight, did you login to pastebin and then upload the paste , because I'm not seeing anything
[17:40] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: http://pastebin.com/bygUYdVC
[17:41] <Daskreech> he kinda messed it up. Assuming livingdaylight is a he :)
[17:42] <livingdaylight> Daskreech, he is, hrmmm, and has, somehow, it seems
[17:43] <Daskreech> small thing
[17:43] <livingdaylight> http://clip2net.com/s/2b3pf
[17:45] <BluesKaj> i'm really quite disappointed with printer support since last yr and I don't see much being done about it . Nothing's changed at al
[17:47] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: Yeah well people are amazed it's lasted this long
[17:47] <livingdaylight> over the years its got better, at least in Ubuntu, which I presume means Kubuntu also... but, its best to check which printers really DO work in GNU/Linux insttead of expecting any printer to work. I know that doesn't help if one already has one
[17:47] <Daskreech>  Apple bought out the entire printer stack to prevent it from going to GPLv3 but up until just the past few months they have been really good about keeping it working for everyone
[17:50] <Daskreech> Part of the reasons why people do not want Microsoft to take over the bootloader now
[17:51] <Daskreech> well I guess that would have been obvious regradless
[17:51] <Daskreech> regardless
[17:51] <BluesKaj> livingdaylight, oddly enough all the HP printers we have have driver support in kubuntu printer settings , but none of the printers work , all 3 start and then freeze , as if waiting for more instructions from the pc .
[17:51] <livingdaylight> Gawd, its really WAR out there?
[17:51] <livingdaylight> BluesKaj, geez, sounds like its got worse then?
[17:52] <BluesKaj> livingdaylight, yes exactly
[17:52] <livingdaylight> today I read that collecting rainwater is illegal in the state of Oregon - madness-
[17:53] <livingdaylight> Private-for-profit companies think they can own the planet and fleece everyone on it to death
[17:54] <Daskreech> Well that's how the system is setup
[17:54] <Daskreech> Well except for Europe
[17:54] <Daskreech> they are really hostile towards that
[17:55] <Daskreech> but Asia is moving more to that companies run everything model as well
[17:55] <livingdaylight> I know this is getting off-topic, but people need to wake up about the increasing control put on their lives: http://www.naturalnews.com/036615_Oregon_rainwater_permaculture.html
[17:56] <Daskreech> Yeah that's probably a #kubuntu-offtopic discussion :)
[18:21] <Key-Real> hi
[18:22] <Key-Real> is it possible to install kubuntu on a external usbhdd?  I'm new in linux.   I downloaded the CD and now I'm burning the image...
[18:29] <BluesKaj> Key-Real, yes , you can , there can be issues with the bootloader depending on which OS you have on your main HDD.
[18:30] <Key-Real> win7
[18:31] <dougl> Daskreech, ok, back now - still Updating PPD files for ppd-updaters ... been an hour and a half - lol
[18:38] <dougl> Gulp! help... sudo apt-get update = E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. = Errors were encountered while processing:  cups  printer-driver-gutenprint...
[18:39] <BluesKaj> dougl, ok run , sudo dpkg --configure -a , it might work
[18:40] <dougl> BluesKaj, thanks - did that and "Errors were encountered while processing:  cups  printer-driver-gutenprint" and back to command prompt
[18:41] <BluesKaj> dougl, try , sudo apt-get install -f
[18:43] <dougl> BluesKaj, same error while processing cups and printer-driver-gutenprint
[18:45] <BluesKaj> Key-Real, ok , but make sure you install the grub bootloader , it may autoinstall depending on which kubuntu version you have.
[18:46] <BluesKaj> dougl, try this , sudo dpkg --clear-avail
[18:46] <Key-Real> mom I try to erase the data on my usbhdd with partedmagic...
[18:48] <dougl> BluesKaj, sudo dpkg --clear-avail was successfull no errors and return to command prompt
[18:48] <BluesKaj> Key-Real, not necessary, the partitioning phase of the kubuntu install will ask you if you want to erase data
[18:49] <Key-Real> I had to view how big my usbhdd is
[18:49] <BluesKaj> well , dougl , it's hard to tell if it worked ..cups is probly still not installed properly , it just removed the broken packages that were blocking dpkg
[18:49] <Key-Real> It is 1.36g
[18:50] <Key-Real> ok, I'm starting kubuntu
[18:51] <BluesKaj> Key-Real, 136G I hope
[18:51] <Key-Real> It should be so setuped that I just plug the usbhdd to start lin and if not it should start win automaticly. is it possible?
[18:51] <Key-Real> 136TB
[18:51] <Key-Real> :)
[18:51] <Key-Real> 1.36TB
[18:52] <BluesKaj> ok , fine , Key-Real , if your pc is setup to boot from the cdrom first , like most are unless you changed the boot sequence in the BIOS.
[18:52] <dougl> BluesKaj, still cannot sudo apt-get dist-upgrade = errors for cups and man-db
[18:52] <Key-Real> yes ofcause
[18:53] <BluesKaj> then your kubuntu live cd will boot first
[18:54] <Key-Real> I pressed "abort the installation" and I setuped the internet connection first
[18:54] <BluesKaj> dougl, is cups the only app one can use for printer setups ?
[18:55] <BluesKaj> dougl, I'm thinking there must alternatives
[18:55] <BluesKaj> must be
[18:55] <dougl> BluesKaj, I am not even concerned with cups as much as getting my box back on track...
[18:55] <dougl> I just want my Linux box back
[18:57] <BluesKaj> dougl, have you tried the recovery kernel , choose "repair broken packages", it should clear them out
[18:57] <Key-Real> ok, the it copy files
[18:57] <dougl> BluesKaj, I have not tried that -> Do tell please?
[18:58] <BluesKaj> Key-Real, why did choose abort the installation
[18:58] <Key-Real> to setup the internet first
[18:58] <BluesKaj> dougl, reboot , choose the recovery kernel in the grub menu
[18:59] <BluesKaj> no Key-Real it does that automatically
[18:59] <dougl> BluesKaj, k... then repair broken packages?
[18:59] <BluesKaj> dougl, yes a dialog will show up with options "repair..." will in the list
[18:59] <BluesKaj> will be
[19:00] <Key-Real> it has a red cross by have an internet connection
[19:01] <BluesKaj> ok then do it your way , Key-Real , I've never seen that before
[19:05] <Key-Real> it was a coincidence, I wannted to exit setup, it exits but started kubuntu kde? I looked at the wi-fi symbol it was red, I clicked, seted up the internet and startet setup again? than the symbol with the internet connection was not red, it was ok...
[19:06] <Key-Real> So I can setup like that
[19:06] <Key-Real> :)
[19:06] <BluesKaj> Key-Real, ok good
[19:06] <Key-Real> It copyes files on the usbhdd now
[19:06] <Key-Real> it downloads language packages and stuff
[19:07] <Key-Real> grub is a bootmanager?
[19:07] <BluesKaj> yes
[19:07] <Key-Real> I heared of it as I had to do with aros
[19:08] <Key-Real> but I not realy knew how to deal/configure it
[19:09] <BluesKaj> grub is actually a bootloader , it's run from the commandline , altho you can install a gui version for startup & shutdown in system settings , once you've finished installing kubuntu
[19:10] <Key-Real> ah, ok
[19:12] <BluesKaj> Key-Real, grub will auto install usually, but it might ask you if you want to install as I said earlier
[19:14] <dougl> BluesKaj, it fixed it... dist-upgrade works again - thanks :)
[19:14] <BluesKaj> dougl, cool , glad to hear it
[19:14] <dougl> I am very releived...
[19:15] <dougl> Daskreech, dunno what to say... but cups is finally installed - not sure what to try now?
[19:19] <luis__> hi
[19:20] <luis__> for some reason I can connect to WEP but not to WPA2_PSK... Can anyone help?
[19:20] <luis__> Anyone?
[19:20] <luis__> ...
[19:21] <luis__> ANYONE????
[19:21] <luis__> HELLO?!
[19:22] <dougl> LOL
[19:23] <BluesKaj> wonder if he forgot his pw
[19:41] <Key-Real> BluesKaj: bad news, my PC do not support my usbhdd  :(
[19:42] <Key-Real> BluesKaj: ? booting from
[19:43] <BluesKaj> Key-Real, were you asked during the install if you wanted to install grub ?
[19:45] <Key-Real> the only alternative is to install it on a stick or native
[19:45] <Key-Real> I think I try a stick
[19:47] <Key-Real> so all this again...
[19:51] <BluesKaj> Key-Real, one thing to remember , installing on a usb drive makes the system slow once it's installed , external drives are n=meant for data storage not an operating system IMO
[19:53] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: There are alternative. CUPS is the only one that "works"
[19:54] <Daskreech> dougl: http://localhost:631 ?
[19:54] <BluesKaj> Daskreech, not here :(
[19:55] <Daskreech> Key-Real: What are you trying to achieve ?
[19:56] <Key-Real> some linux fun
[19:56] <Key-Real> :)
[19:56] <Key-Real> but not native on my laptop
[19:56] <Key-Real> on an extra storage
[19:57] <Key-Real> ok, I  wanna code some stuff?   I used linux a long time ago, the last time it was SUSE, it is now 8Years
[19:57] <BluesKaj> Daskreech, he installed kubuntu on a usb external, but it wion't boot
[19:57] <DarthFrog> Key-Real: Welcome back.
[19:58] <Key-Real> I code pascal with the FPC compiller
[19:58] <Key-Real> thx
[19:58] <Key-Real> :)
[19:59] <BluesKaj> BBL , ..BBQ needs attention
[19:59] <Key-Real> Daskreech:  It is a error of my BIOS, it do not boot from my usbHDD
[19:59] <Key-Real> I gona try from a stik
[20:05] <Daskreech> Key-Real: I don't know that the BIOS can tell the difference between a stick and a drive
[20:06] <Key-Real> mom cant look now, Installing...
[20:06] <Key-Real> but there was one, somehow....
[20:06] <Key-Real> Well see later
[20:08] <BluesKaj> mom?
[20:09] <Key-Real> momment
[20:09] <BluesKaj> ok
[20:12] <kzip> Hello!
[20:13] <kzip> I've installed Kubuntu 12.04 on a laptop after testing it out for some time in a virtual machine..,
[20:13] <dougl> Daskreech, you here?
[20:14] <kzip> The install went fine, and booted up, but the KDE desktop is very unresponsive
[20:14] <Daskreech> dougl: I think so
[20:14] <kzip> like something is talking almost all the CPU all the time
[20:14] <Daskreech> I think therfore I am?
[20:14] <Daskreech> kzip: Is something taking up all the CPU?
[20:15]  * Daskreech bets on Nepomuk
[20:15] <kzip> I have to keep clicking on the K button in the CPU for any programs I run to get any time slices
[20:15] <dougl> Daskreech,  http://localhost:631 -shows a printer but (cx5000) but no such file or directory when I try to print a test page.
[20:16] <Daskreech> dougl: So it is listed under printers?
[20:16] <Daskreech> kzip: press ctrl+Esc
[20:16] <Daskreech> You should get a process manager.
[20:16] <Daskreech> Sort by CPU% and see what's at the top
[20:16] <kzip> Daskreech: yes, kwin is taking up >24%, other procs
[20:17] <kzip> This is from before - nothing appeared after pressing CTRL-ESC
[20:17] <Daskreech> kzip: kwin?
[20:17] <Daskreech> hmm
[20:17] <Daskreech> can you press alt+shift+F12 and see if that helps?
[20:17] <kzip> (I'm chatting from another computer - my laptop is pretty much unusable currently)
[20:18] <kzip> Compiz isn't installed, so that shouldn't be an issue
[20:18] <Daskreech> kzip: Ah I don't suppose that you would have had installed ssh on it already?
[20:18] <Daskreech> kzip: kwin is a composititor so it can be an issue. Though I can't recall having anything that bad happen since KDE 4.5/4.6
[20:18] <dougl> Daskreech, there is a cx5000 listed.
[20:18] <Daskreech> It's pretty good on detection
[20:18] <Daskreech> dougl: What's the connection it's using?
[20:19] <dougl> Daskreech, smb://MSHOME/SEMPRON/CX5000
[20:20] <Daskreech> dougl: Ah great can you press alt+F2 -> smb://MSHOME and press enter and see what that gets you?
[20:21] <kzip> Daskreech: that combo worked.  Sorting by CPUshows krunner & Xorg at the top, but only a few %, and now the system is responsive
[20:21] <Daskreech> kzip: Press it again and see if it goes back to being nuts
[20:21] <Daskreech> THat toggles the compositor on and off
[20:24] <dougl> Daskreech, shows icon of my xp printer/sound server?
[20:24] <Daskreech> click on that then?
[20:24] <Daskreech> See if it shows you the printer
[20:25] <dougl> shows c$ and 2 other folders
[20:25] <Daskreech> oh Hm
[20:25] <kzip> Daskreech: yup, unresponsive again after pressing that combp
[20:25] <Daskreech> no printers?
[20:25] <dougl> no printers
[20:25] <Daskreech> kzip: Ok hit it again and if you like you can hop into #kwin and let them know
[20:25] <Daskreech> it's weekend so they might not be around but I think they would like to hear that you are having kwin issues on firstboot
[20:26] <kzip> Cool - what is the problem then?
[20:26] <Daskreech> kzip: Some plugin is having an issue with some (video) driver
[20:26] <kzip> And that combo disables what?
[20:26] <Daskreech> It's normally really good about detecting those issues and disabling the compositor so that should be interesting
[20:27] <Daskreech> kzip: the compositor
[20:27] <Daskreech> which in turn runs the plugins
[20:27] <kzip> Anything I can do to leave it off?
[20:28] <kzip> on boot
[20:28] <Daskreech> Turn it off once then logout
[20:28] <Daskreech>  it will remember the next time you login
[20:28] <Daskreech> dougl: what'the 2 otherfolders?
[20:29] <dougl> one is called Downloads and the other SharedDocs
[20:29] <kzip> Deskreech: Ok - thanks for your help.  I'll report it in #kwin & see if I can help troubleshoot it with them.
[20:30] <Daskreech> kzip: Sorry about that but hope you have fun playing with KDE
[20:33] <kzip> Daskreech: Cheers!
[20:33] <Daskreech> kzip: Chip Chip Cheerio
[20:36] <dougl> Daskreech, were we onto something?
[20:36] <Daskreech> dougl: I think that it should show the printer at the top there
[20:37] <Daskreech> what's smb://MSHOME/SEMPRON show ?
[20:37] <Daskreech> Oh wait that's what you just clicked on isn't it?
[20:37] <dougl> yes
[20:37] <Daskreech> ok what's smb://MSHOME/SEMPRON/CX5000 show ?
[20:38] <dougl> Timeout on server
[20:38] <dougl> mshome
[20:38] <dougl> in a popup box
[20:50] <dougl> Daskreech, you stumped too?
[20:51] <Daskreech> dougl: but smb://MSHOME/SEMPRON/ Works/
[20:51] <dougl> Daskreech, yes
[20:52] <Daskreech> dougl: that could be an issue. Hmm let's see
[20:53] <Daskreech> dougl: do you have a /etc/printcap ?
[20:53] <dougl> Daskreech, sorry "smb://MSHOME/SEMPRON/" does not work....
[20:54] <dougl> Daskreech, no /etc/printcap
[20:55] <lordievader> Good evening everyone
[20:55] <dougl> hello
[20:56] <lordievader> Hey dougl, how are you?
[20:56] <Daskreech> Hi lordievader
[20:57] <dougl> I'm in good company :)
[20:57] <lordievader> Hey Daskreech, how are you today?
[20:57] <lordievader> dougl: Virtual or real company?
[20:57] <dougl> both
[20:58] <dougl> my son is gaming on his windows box and I am fighting with my linux box
[20:58] <lordievader> Ok, good anyhow :)
[20:59] <Daskreech> dougl: how about /etc/cups/printers.conf ?
[20:59] <lordievader> dougl: Fighting what, if I may ask?
[21:00] <Daskreech> lordievader: Printers
[21:01] <lordievader> Ah those can be a pita.
[21:01] <dougl> Daskreech, that file defines my cx5000
[21:01] <lordievader> Though I did manage to share mine with my network :)
[21:01] <dougl> lordievader, I broke my cups
[21:02] <lordievader> dougl: Ai, that does not sound good :(
[21:02] <Daskreech> lordievader: over SMB ?
[21:02] <lordievader> Daskreech: For the Windows side yes, the linux side uses something else but I forgot what.
[21:03]  * Daskreech likes investing in real network printers with real TCP/IP stacks
[21:09] <Daskreech> dougl: can you pastebin it?
[21:11] <dougl> Daskreech, sure - http://pastebin.com/CzgpeBGg
[21:12] <lordievader> dougl: What isn't it doing that it should be doing?
[21:19] <dougl> lordievader, I get... There was an error during the CUPS operation: 'client-error-not-found'. when I try to print a test page
[21:20] <dougl> or No such file or directory when I try a testpage from localhost:631
[21:22] <lordievader> dougl: Printing a non-test page also doesn't work I presume?
[21:23] <dougl> good question lordievader - checking
[21:26] <dougl> looks like it accepts the job but nothing comes off the printer.... how do I check/see the queue?
[21:26] <lordievader> dougl: On that localhost:631 page you can see such things.
[21:26] <Daskreech> dougl: ok can you run a smbclient against the computer ?
[21:38] <dougl> Daskreech, funny when I clean the heads from the setting panel for the printer a job gets spooled and the heads get cleaned
[21:38] <Daskreech> dougl: Well it's getting commands that's good
[21:40] <dougl> Daskreech, when I print a document or web page a pop up window shows a progress bar then disappears but nothing ever shows up in the queue
[21:41] <Daskreech> dougl: so the queue doesn't get initialized?
[21:41] <Daskreech> http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/install.html#id2553683 see if that works
[21:44] <michaelc22> question how do i change my user account name?
[21:44] <michaelc22> in kubunta
[21:46] <Daskreech> michaelc22: not as easy ad you'd assume but you can try changing all references to it in /etc/passwd and /etc/group
[21:47] <michaelc22> in system?
[21:48] <Daskreech> michaelc22: no
[21:50] <Daskreech> michaelc22: alt+F2 -> kdesudo kate /etc/passwd /etc/group
[21:50] <michaelc22> sudo -S etc/passwd and /etc/group?
[21:50] <Daskreech> Ctrl+R and good luck :)
[21:50] <michaelc22> thx
[22:36] <Key-Real> Daskreech:  Succsess it is installed :)
[22:38] <Key-Real> but !    oh, it is so slow ...
[22:38] <Key-Real> it is practicly impossible to work with it :(
[22:39] <Daskreech> usb is very slow
[22:39] <Daskreech> Almost as slow as a CD
[22:41] <Key-Real> if I press on the "K" symbol nothing happens, why?
[22:41] <Key-Real> it has a graphic effect of a pressed button, but no menu apears
[22:42] <Daskreech> Key-Real: bottom left hand corner?
[22:42] <Key-Real> yes
[22:46] <Key-Real> ah, now it works
[22:46] <Key-Real> :)
[22:49] <Key-Real>  it is impossible to work from USB stick    ?.   the system is toooooo   sloooooow  :(
[23:06] <kaddi> is anybody working on getting skype back to work on ubuntu?
[23:06] <kaddi> is there a working version?
[23:06] <kaddi> it's been broken since the last release :/
[23:07] <Daskreech> Key-Real: You can install to a USB stick and run from it
[23:08] <Daskreech> !usb
[23:08] <Daskreech> kaddi: Which version are you using?
[23:08] <kaddi> <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:08] <kaddi> and I meant the release of 12.04
[23:08] <kaddi> not the last skype update, sorry for being ambiguous
[23:09] <Daskreech> oh Hmm never tried that one. I have the install but never installed it's stayed on the old verions
[23:09] <Daskreech> but I have skype here working
[23:09] <Daskreech>  tried running it from Konsole and seeing what it says
[23:09] <kaddi> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-open.c: 667: _dl_open: Assertion `_dl_debug_initialize (0, args.nsid)->r_state == RT_CONSISTENT' failed!
[23:09] <kaddi> is what it says
[23:13] <kaddi> any suggestions?
[23:17] <Daskreech> kaddi: hmm what provides the ld.so lib ?
[23:18] <kaddi> libpng I think, but not sure
[23:18] <Daskreech> really?
[23:18] <kaddi> yeah, not sure.. it's what i found, but it doesn't sound likely
[23:19] <Daskreech> kaddi: remove skype and reinstall?
[23:19] <kaddi> tried that, tried purge, tried the static, tried the installer from skype
[23:19] <kaddi> how do i figure out which package it is in?
[23:19] <kaddi> glibc?
[23:20] <Daskreech> apt-file ?
[23:20] <kaddi> apt-file search ld.so?
[23:20] <kaddi> that turns up nothing
[23:24] <Daskreech> well actually it's dl-open that's being problematic
[23:24] <kaddi> that's not turning up either
[23:25] <kaddi> but google says that's also part of glibc
[23:27] <Daskreech> apt-cache policy libc6
[23:27] <kaddi> apt-cache policy libc6
[23:27] <kaddi> libc6:
[23:27] <kaddi>   Installed: 2.15-0ubuntu10
[23:27] <FloodBotK1> kaddi: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:29] <Daskreech> does the candidate match ?
[23:29] <kaddi> yes
[23:30] <kaddi> i did an update & upgrade just before joining
[23:35] <Daskreech> kaddi: just checking there isn't a mismatch of 64 bit and 32 bit ?
[23:35] <kaddi> well since I'm getting the skype from the repositories, I'd hope not
[23:35] <kaddi>  *** <IP_ADDRESS>-0oneiric1 0
[23:35] <kaddi>         500 http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/ precise/partner amd64 Packages
[23:35] <kaddi> it says the skype version omes from amd64
[23:35] <kaddi> so does libc6
[23:36] <kaddi> (well obviously not from partners, but main.., but still 64bit)
[23:41] <Key-Real> is kubuntu   just ubuntu with KDE  ???
[23:41] <kaddi> yes
[23:41] <kaddi> that's basically it
[23:44] <Daskreech> !kubuntu
[23:44] <Daskreech> !kde


[03:14] <OvenWerks> systray, appliaction indicator, and panel applets are all different.
[03:15] <OvenWerks> It seems that panel applets are panel(therefore DE) specific
[03:17] <OvenWerks> systray works everywhere? Or used to. and application indicators are supposed to replace systray stuff sometime.
[03:38] <OvenWerks> The stuff I read seems to be a few years old.. but seems to indicate that gnome 3 (shell and classic) hide the systray.
[03:45] <OvenWerks> They do seem to have indicators... I need to install it again and check.
[06:05] <DalekSec> OvenWerks: I *think* the Gnome3 indicators are different than the Ubuntu indicators.  Unity also doesn't do systray, while LXDE and tint2 don't do indicators.
[09:10] <zequence> OvenWerks: Gnome3 has its own thing, but can support both indicator and systray apps with plugins
[09:11] <zequence> falktx has some code that makes his app be either systay or indicator, depending on the platform
[14:46] <OvenWerks> zequence: I am also reading that unity _can_ turn a systray on... but that may be old info. It would be nice rather than looking for the platform to look for an indicator box and use it if it is there... if not then look for systray... which should cover the flavours we have to deal with. It would also be possible to "iconize to desktop" which used to be very common in the early days of X.
[14:54] <OvenWerks> Reading things at free desktop org, it appears that the application indicators are meant to be a replacement for systray. So it is possible that LXqt will include app-indicators in the future.
[15:01] <OvenWerks> Gnome as you say has it's own thing, but I expect ubuntu gnome will include the plugins needed anyway. (I don't know about debian)
[15:05] <OvenWerks> As to freedesktop.org, I will also note that the systray in inthe section called: Draft specifications that are new and not yet widely used.  Yet I think you can get systray support for almost any wm/de out there. The application indicator is called: Specifications currently in the planning/requirements-gathering stages
[15:06] <OvenWerks> even though they have been in use as a standard for a number of years.
[15:16] <OvenWerks> anyway, gui is maybe not so important just yet.
[15:19] <OvenWerks> I did wnt to throw some things out about security though. Editing of system files should require a password, but switching system modes should not. That is setting CPU governor on the fly should not require a password. Turning off some system services that have been pre selected with a password should not require a password either.
[15:22] <OvenWerks> I expect that most people will not require turning system services off (cron for example), however, there are some systems where removing the wireless kernel module is the only way to get lowlatency audio without xruns. (these would be laptops)
[15:38] <zequence> OvenWerks: Ubuntu Gnome, to my knowledge, does not have those plugins by default. Haven't seen them packaged even. One needs to get them at extensions.gnome.org
[15:45] <zequence> OvenWerks: On monday and onwards I will have more time. It's time to wrap up feature specs, and so I will do that during the week for everything.
[15:46] <zequence> I'll also wrap up what has been discussed about -controls, and update/re-organize the wiki page, and make sure there is a relevant blueprint
[15:47] <zequence> Nice work on the mail list, btw.
[15:49] <zequence> Feature Definition Freeze is on Thursday, I think.
[15:50] <zequence> Not a big deal for most of our work, but it's good to be firm about the stuff that Ubuntu devs need to be apart of, like our new ISO
[15:50] <zequence> Also, that date is a good time to wrap up planning anyway, I think.
[15:51] <zequence> So, from there on, we can just focus on doing the work
[23:54] <OvenWerks> zequence: Are we going to get to pulling in code from the ubiquity plugin to -installer this cycle? If not we should get the current updates uploaded at least. The main thing is that it deals with install errors properly. The one released so far fails silently and just says complete.
[23:58] <OvenWerks> zequence: Can we create an -audio-setting or -system-settings package?
[23:59] <OvenWerks> This would not make doing system settings in -controls go away, but it would load settings that are done by installing files.