[00:07] -BottyMcBotFace:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: xfce4-screensaver 0.1.9 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-xfce4-screensaver-0-1-9-released-tp57959.html (by Sean Davis-6)
[00:53] <bluesabre> Unit193: pushed the xfce4-session merge to https://launchpad.net/~bluesabre/+archive/ubuntu/sponsoring/+packages
[00:53] <Unit193> Fantastic!
[00:57] <bluesabre> We can sync elemenary-xfce tomorrow
[00:58] <bluesabre> I'll probably go ahead and push greybird tomorrow if we don't hear an ack since its a pretty safe one
[00:58] <Unit193> Saw your UIFe, figured I should get that moving first.
[00:58] <bluesabre> I'll package up the screensaver now
[00:59] <Unit193> Oh?  Debian or Ubuntu?
[00:59] <bluesabre> Suppose either or
[00:59] <bluesabre> You can upload to Debian these days, right?
[00:59] <Unit193> Yes sir.
[00:59] <bluesabre> Neato
[00:59] <Unit193> I was gonna do that if you did -session, but looks like I'm about to get lucky. :P
[01:00] <bluesabre> lol
[01:04] <Unit193> bluesabre: Oh, for d/watch, see https://salsa.debian.org/xfce-team/apps/gigolo/-/commit/ea6abfbd5681258c3f465bcaafaaff6c2ebff356
[01:04] <bluesabre> Unit193: oh... is the screensaver not in salsa?
[01:05] <Unit193> It's in salsa, d/watch needs to be update to match what gigolo did is all.
[01:05] <bluesabre> nvm
[01:05] <bluesabre> gitlab does dumb filtering by default
[01:05] <Unit193> Gitlab is a bit dumb, yeah.
[01:41] <bluesabre> Unit193: suddenly got overtaken with sleepiness. https://salsa.debian.org/xfce-extras-team/xfce4-screensaver/-/tree/debian/master is basically done, but if you want to further tweak or improve, feel free (or I can tomorrow)
[12:30] <misko_> Hey devs
[17:00] -BottyMcBotFace:#xubuntu-devel- Reminder: Next meeting chair is Unit193
[18:15] <jphilips> Unit193: is there any intent to do LTS point releases for core?
[19:31] <jphilips> Unit193: ran the core installer and the installer crashed and mentioned that it would send in a bug, and i waited an then remembered, there is no web browser :D
[19:32] <jphilips> waited and* then
[19:32] <jphilips> was running the 20.04 core that was last built on march 18th
[20:13] <Unit193> jphilipz: As I I've said, the focus is only on the current release, so nope not in the slightest.  Hah, yep that's always a fun one, though you should at least still get a crash in /var/crash/ and perhaps some logs.
[20:17] <jphilips> Unit193: didnt crash when i installed from the live session, but did crash from the 'Install Xubuntu' from the grub menu. will run the installer that way again to get the crash report for you.
[20:18] <Unit193> Ah, yeah there's been problems in the past with that one, it's more touch and go for some reason.
[21:35] -BottyMcBotFace:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: thunar 1.8.13 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-thunar-1-8-13-released-tp57986.html (by Alexander Schwinn-2)
[21:36] <Unit193> jphilips: So you didn't just install a browser and try reporting again?
[21:37] <jphilips> wasnt sure what to do and presumed the same crash would happen from the live session, so restarted into live session, install firefox and then ran the installer again, but no crash
[21:38] <Unit193> Was thinking more switching to a TTY, but eh.  Sounds like a lot of effort for not a lot of gain, since the installer works.
[21:39] <jphilips> now that that didnt happen and you commented about /var/crash/ i know what can be done :D
[21:59] <jphilips> bug reported https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1868630
[22:01] <Unit193> That log is from apport, the bug reporter, crashing.
[22:01] <Unit193>    File "/usr/bin/apport-cli", line 49, in raw_input_char
[22:01] <Unit193>      saved_attributes = termios.tcgetattr(file)
[22:07] <jphilips> that was the only file in /var/crash/
[22:08] <jphilips> and the installation didnt complete
[22:08] <jphilips> system is unbootable
[22:30] <bluesabre> Unit193: triggered the sync for elementary-xfce
[22:33] <Unit193> thunar counts as a bugfix release, yes?
[22:34] <bluesabre> Unit193: yes, I'd say so.
[22:36] <ochosi> hrm, can we still sync a xfpm 1.6.7 if i tag one (and revert the troublemaker commit)?
[22:36] <bluesabre> Unit193: did you have anything else you wanted me to add to https://salsa.debian.org/xfce-extras-team/xfce4-screensaver/-/tree/debian/master ?
[22:37] <bluesabre> ochosi: yep
[22:37] <ochosi> since there are a few other fixes we want
[22:38] <Unit193> bluesabre: I looked, I didn't really see anything noteworthy.
[22:38] <Unit193> ..missing, of course.
[22:43] <bluesabre> Unit193: cool... want to sponsor into debian, or should I go ahead and upload a -0ubuntu1?
[22:44] <Unit193> Did you want to add yourself to uploaders too? :>
[22:46] <Unit193> I like how I get an email for any upload to one of my packages...
[22:49] <bluesabre> :D
[22:50] <bluesabre> Since I don't do any Debian uploading on the Xfce side, I'll leave myself off for now
[22:50] <Unit193> OK, so I take it you want me to do the final upload?
[22:50] <bluesabre> I get in enough trouble for not maintaining my debian python projects
[22:50] <Unit193> Err, final commit for upload*
[22:51] <bluesabre> Yeah, or I can
[22:51] <bluesabre> Either or
[22:51] <bluesabre> I just can't do the actual uploading
[22:51] <Unit193> Honestly I just don't want to throw a wrench at corsac.
[22:52] <bluesabre> ah
[22:52] <bluesabre> I can do a -0ubuntu1 ;)
[22:52] <Unit193> I'll do it in a minute, foooood.
[23:46] <Unit193> bluesabre: Oh!  You saw the conclusion with my discussion about gir?


[15:00] <fredoust> hi all
[20:43] <stqn> hi
[21:32] <stqn> What is “Email a link to download” for on e.g. https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/precise/cobra/ ?
[21:33] <stqn> is it to download an app you’ve already bought?
[21:45] <qwertzui11> try it
[21:47] <stqn> Forbidden (403)
[21:47] <stqn> CSRF verification failed. Request aborted.
[21:47] <stqn> lol :)
[21:48] <stqn> works better with cookies enabled
[21:49] <stqn> ok… it just sends a mail to the same web page
[21:49] <stqn> a link, I mean
[21:50] <qwertzui11> kk :)


[02:17] <JackFrost> I just added that other social network to the GitHub org.
[06:49] <JackFrost> bluesabre: Nabbed all the bugfix releases, will fsync tomorrow, pushed parole to Xubuntu, and there's only two merges if you will. :3
[09:53] <bluesabre> JackFrost: Thank you!
[09:54] <JackFrost> That leaves -notifyd, ristretto, and mousepad.
[10:00] <bluesabre> I'll go ahead and do the -settings merge.
[10:11] <JackFrost> -notifyd requires sqlite3??
[10:25] <bluesabre> Maybe for the notification history?
[10:36] <bluesabre> -settings is done. What was the other merge?
[10:36] <JackFrost> The ever annoying xfce4-systemload-plugin
[10:37] <JackFrost> I don't see a point enabling the wayland stuff, and one likely would claim it's a feature anyway.
[10:37] <JackFrost> ...For notifyd.
[10:50] <bluesabre> Agreed with that.
[11:09] <bluesabre> systemload uploaded.
[11:10] <JackFrost> Feel free to steal anything I haven't uploaded.
[11:11] <bluesabre> I might pick some up a bit later. :) In other news, vorlon's been fighting with the image builds, but it seems like the minimal iso might be fixed here in the next couple of days.
[11:52] <JackFrost> \o/
[11:52] <JackFrost> Now if we can only get the desktop working again...
[19:08] <bluesabre> https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/ First smaller-sized minimal image built. Still large, but now we can work on it :)
[20:49] <bluesabre> It installs! But seems to bring in firefox and other snap goodies, which is contributing to the bloat. Not sure what's pulling it in yet.


[20:58] <caden> Hey, I am having problems with installing the Ubuntu desktop. Whenever I install it I cannot login. It will wait a few seconds, the screen will go black and it takes me back to the login screen
[20:59] <k1l_> caden: sounds like the wrong video drivers? ist that image known to work?
[20:59] <caden> no, i have xubuntu installed and it works just fine
[21:00] <k1l_> who is the owner of the .XAuthority file in that users home?
[21:00] <k1l_> .Xauthority
[21:01] <caden> sorry, you will have to tell me how to do that. (i'm new to ubuntu) :)
[21:01] <k1l_> "ls -al " in a terminal
[21:01] <k1l_> what device is it? what ubuntu version?
[21:02] <caden> my device is a raspberry pi 2b and it is runnning ubuntu mate and xubuntu 15.04
[21:03] <caden> oh and my x.org is configured
[21:17] <caden> r u there?
[21:18] <k1l_> who is ownerand group of that file?
[21:19] <caden> the file doesnt seem to exist
[21:20] <k1l_> so who is the owner of that users home?
[21:20] <caden> me
[21:20] <caden> there is only one user
[21:21] <k1l_> i am quite sure xfce does need that file, too.
[21:21] <caden> well i dont know what to tell yo
[21:22] <caden> *you
[21:25] <caden> my /etc /X11/xorg.conf exists and has text in it
[21:26] <k1l_> its not about the x11
[21:27] <caden> well thats the video driver's config file
[21:27] <k1l_> the desktop needs the .Xauthority file in the users home.
[21:27] <k1l_> and that owner and group needs to be the user.
[21:27] <k1l_> if you fiddel with sudo/root that can make that file be owned by root. and then you get exactly the effect, that you cant login anymore.
[21:28] <caden> ok sorry the file DOES exist. i was looking i /home instead of my user's home
[21:29] <k1l_> who is the owner?
[21:29] <caden> how do i find that out
[21:29] <k1l_> "ls -al"
[21:29] <caden> i am the owner
[21:29] <k1l_> in terminal. if you open a terminal it will be in your users home.
[21:29] <caden> ya i know a lot about terminal;


[05:51] <Kilos> morning all and sundry
[06:22] <Kilos> inetpro: fix it
[06:27] <Kilos> hi Private_User nlsthzn
[06:28] <nlsthzn> hello
[07:33] <Kilos> nlsthzn cheetahs struggling
[07:33] <nlsthzn> oh crap didn't realize they where playing >.<
[07:35] <Kilos> second half starting
[07:35] <nlsthzn> thanks uncle Kilos
[07:35] <Kilos> np
[07:36] <Kilos> shoulda told you earlier
[07:36] <nlsthzn> I checked earlier but supersport.com layout so retarded very difficult to get relevant info like this there :/
[07:37] <nlsthzn> I am getting used to google telling you what you need to know before you knew you needed to know it :p
[07:38] <Kilos> lol
[07:58] <nlsthzn> good try
[07:58] <Kilos> yeah
[08:09] <nlsthzn> this reff is making them get away with murder
[08:09] <nlsthzn> they off side at every breakdown
[08:09] <Kilos> lol
[08:12] <magespawn> good morning
[08:12] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[08:13] <magespawn> how are things today?
[08:16] <Kilos> good ty magespawn and you?
[08:19] <Golynx> hi Private_User
[08:19] <nlsthzn> Hak Vrystaat Hak :(
[08:19] <Kilos> hehe
[08:20] <Kilos> hi Golynx Private_User
[08:20] <Private_User> hi Golynx
[08:20] <Private_User> Hi Kilos
[08:20] <Golynx> hi Kilos
[08:22] <magespawn> good thanks Kilos
[08:22] <magespawn> hi Golynx nlsthzn Private_User
[08:22] <nlsthzn> o/
[08:22] <magespawn> Kilos, i have managed to get the 30gig ipod working properly
[08:23] <Kilos> well done magespawn
[08:24] <Private_User> hi magespawn
[08:24] <Kilos> you getting too clever
[08:24] <Golynx> hi magespawn
[08:24] <Golynx> hi nlsthzn
[08:28] <charl> good morning
[08:28] <Kilos> go stormers
[08:28] <charl> hi Golynx, Kilos, magespawn, Private_User, nlsthzn
[08:28] <Kilos> hi charl
[08:29] <Golynx> hi charl
[08:29] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[08:29]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[08:29] <nlsthzn> whazzup!!!|!??!?!?!?!
[08:30] <charl> :)
[08:30] <charl> nlsthzn: you sound like you have had enough coffee this morning
[08:30] <charl> Maaz with his dirty mugs again
[08:30] <Maaz> charl: *blink*
[08:30] <Kilos> Maaz coffee please
[08:30] <Maaz> Kilos: Yessir
[08:30] <nlsthzn> not yet... building up some gees for the rugby
[08:30] <charl> ah i see
[08:31] <charl> i'm watching security now at the moment
[08:32] <Private_User> hey charl
[08:32] <Private_User> Maaz: coffee
[08:32] <Maaz> Private_User: coffee is liquid code
[08:32] <Private_User> Maaz: coffee please
[08:32] <Maaz> Private_User: Sure
[08:32] <Golynx> It seems facebook found a cure for php , but i think that wont change superfly's opinion of it lol http://hacklang.org/
[08:33] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl, Kilos and Private_User!
[08:33] <Kilos> Maaz danke
[08:33] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[08:33] <Private_User> Maaz: thanks
[08:33] <Maaz> Private_User: No problem
[08:34] <charl> Golynx: all that they are trying to do is turn php into java - if you want "safe" coding, they might as well just use java in the first place
[08:34] <charl> php is bash for the web. period.
[08:34] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[08:34] <Maaz> charl: Sure
[08:36] <Golynx> charl: i agree, its the HACK programming language is very similar to java
[08:36] <charl> we really do not need Yet Another Programming Language (YAPL)
[08:36] <Golynx> but facebook is based on php already so, too late to change over now
[08:36] <charl> that's not true, they use a mixture of languages and it's never too late to change
[08:36] <charl> they are so large, they can move over one component at a time
[08:37] <magespawn> php in my limited experience seems useful, but does seem to be overused in some cases
[08:37] <charl> in most cases, probably :)
[08:38] <Golynx> true , but i guess they got mostly php dev guys there
[08:38] <charl> magespawn: how's it going with the voip hacking
[08:38] <charl> Golynx: if you are a good programmer you know at least a few different languages
[08:38] <magespawn> learning as we go charl
[08:39] <charl> asterisk has grown a lot over the years, it can do much more than back when i was trying it
[08:40] <magespawn> lots of options and capabilities now, there is an asterisk/digium youtube channel
[08:42] <Golynx> charl: i agree, facebook got some very talented devs there. They probably thought if gogle can do it with "GO" they can do it with HACK too
[08:43] <Golynx> anyway if it improves there overall productivity then they may aswell create a new language for that perpose
[08:44] <charl> they are large enough that they can justify it yes
[08:44] <Golynx> google*
[08:44] <charl> but just like Go i think it will be a failure
[08:44] <charl> i see groovy is becoming very popular now in the java world
[08:45] <Golynx> only time will tell
[08:46] <charl> groovy has been coming along for a long time, i never thought much of it but it's becoming really popular now
[08:46] <Golynx> i havn't made a single java app in 2 years . Used to make some games for j2me phones
[08:49] <Golynx> i will check out groovy, sounds good
[08:50] <charl> check out http://www.gradle.org/
[08:53] <Golynx> nice , looks good
[08:59] <Golynx> i will try it out in the future.


[00:17] <user|40> I am trying to dual boot with win10. I have multiple drives windows is on sde, kubuntu will go on sdd, with a few storage drives in there. I tried using guided(entire disk) it failed at install grub. At first i looked at manual but it recommeded putting the bootloader on sda (a storage drive) assuming i need to do manual where do i put the boot
[00:17] <user|40> loader (the efi partition?). I cannot loose my windows drive due to work. Any help is appreciated.
[00:17] <arraybolt3> user|40: What was the exact error message from the install attempt?
[00:18] <arraybolt3> (It shouldn't matter what drive the bootloader goes on, so long as the firmware of the computer can find it.)
[00:18] <user|40> Executing 'grub-install /dev/sda' failed this is a fatal error
[00:19] <arraybolt3> Hmm... well that isn't very descriptive, but I guess we can work with it.
[00:19] <arraybolt3> OK, are you at a desktop where you can run commands in Konsole?
[00:20] <user|40> I am in this chat on my phone with the live cd running on my desktop
[00:20] <arraybolt3> First I'll have you run some stuff so I can see some info about your computer, which may provide hints as to what's happening, then we'll try to fix the problem and hopefully be able to try the installation again.
[00:20] <arraybolt3> (If it's easier for you, you could also join the chat using Quassel on the live CD, but this is fine too.)
[00:20] <arraybolt3> Er, Konversation, not Quassel.
[00:21] <arraybolt3> OK, so firstly, can you open Konsole, and then run "ls /sys/firmware/efi | nc termbin.com 9999", then provide the link that is spit out from that? That will tell me whether you're using a BIOS or UEFI system.
[00:23] <user|40> No such file how would i join with konversation i have the app open
[00:24] <arraybolt3> Just press the Connect button, then run "/nick yourNickHere" to change your nickname (you can put whatever you want in "yourNickHere").
[00:25] <arraybolt3> Looks like you are successful, though you probably want to change the nick to something other than "kubuntu", since I think someone else uses that one already.
[00:25] <arraybolt3> Nice.
[00:25] <arraybolt3> I'm still here.
[00:25] <user|40> Ok
[00:25] <arraybolt3> (The part message was just me closing Konversation on my end since I use a different chat client.)
[00:25] <arraybolt3> OK, so you're using a BIOS system... and it says that the installation failed... hmm.
[00:25] <Fantom> ok i have konversation running
[00:26] <arraybolt3> Alright, can you do "lsblk | nc termbin.com 9999" this time? That will help me see your drive layout, which may provide some hints. "sudo fdisk -l | nc termbin.com 9999" might also be helpful, that will give me more detailed disk info.
[00:27] <arraybolt3> (Please do NOT post the output of the commands directly in the chat, use termbin and send the link.)
[00:27] <arraybolt3> (Otherwise a flood prevention bot might mute you.)
[00:28] <Fantom> the first one gave me a site termbin.com/xeyp
[00:28] <arraybolt3> Perfect, looking.
[00:29] <Fantom> the second one gave me a site termbin.com/kae
[00:29] <arraybolt3> That second one looks like a typo, I just get a 404 Not Found page on it.
[00:29] <Fantom> you are right termbin.com/kae
[00:30] <Fantom> you are right termbin.com/5kae
[00:30] <Fantom> sorry numlock got me
[00:30] <arraybolt3> lol happens to me to
[00:30] <arraybolt3> *too
[00:30] <arraybolt3> Ah, problem solved. sda is using a GPT partition table, which won't work unless there's a bios-grub partition.
[00:31] <Fantom> so what do i do to fix this?
[00:31] <arraybolt3> Though... wait a minute here, your Windows installation seems to use EFI...
[00:32] <arraybolt3> I'm still troubleshooting, so give me a sec, we're not far from success.
[00:32] <Fantom> gotcha
[00:32] <arraybolt3> What is the exact manufacturer and model of your PC? Something like "HP Z220 SFF Workstation" is what I'm looking for.
[00:32] <arraybolt3> (I'm assuming this is a desktop since I've never seen a laptop with five drives in it :P)
[00:32] <Fantom> home built but yes desktop
[00:33] <arraybolt3> Ah, OK. Motherboard info would be sufficient then.
[00:33] <arraybolt3> (I just am looking to see whether your system supports EFI or not - if it does, somehow the installer has booted in BIOS mode, and we should probably fix that. If not, then we can just install Kubuntu again using manual partitioning.)
[00:34] <Fantom> msi motar bx something give me a second ill find the model number
[00:35] <Fantom> msi z270m
[00:35] <arraybolt3> I don't see any way this thing could not support EFI. Can you run the "ls /sys/firmware/efi" one more time just to confirm that you didn't make a typo and that it really says "No such file or directory"?
[00:36] <Fantom> copy and pasted this time no such file or directory
[00:36] <arraybolt3> OK. Did you do anything special to boot the installer?
[00:37] <arraybolt3> It should boot in EFI mode, not BIOS mode like it is currently booted into.
[00:37] <Fantom> no, i havent done any thing aside from windows on this machine so far
[00:37] <arraybolt3> K. What software did you use to flash the ISO to the USB drive?
[00:37] <Fantom> rufus
[00:38] <arraybolt3> OK. Did you make sure to use DD mode to flash the ISO?
[00:38] <arraybolt3> If not, that may be the problem.
[00:38] <Fantom> i did not. so reflash and try again?
[00:38] <arraybolt3> That's what I would do.
[00:38] <arraybolt3> It should let you select DD mode at some point.
[00:39] <arraybolt3> If you aren't able to get it to do it right, try flashing the ISO with balenaEtcher.
[00:39] <arraybolt3> Also it would be worth doing the SHA256 verification on the ISO to make sure that it's not corrupted before flashing it again.
[00:40] <Fantom> i remeber it asking and i just went with what it recomended which wasnt dd. will try again.
[00:40] <Fantom> will do thanks for the help
[00:40] <arraybolt3> Sounds good. Good luck!
[00:40] <Fantom> thanks
[02:19] <nate__> hi
[02:20] <nate__> v
[02:29] <arraybolt3> Hi!
[02:33] <nate__> yay
 Any help here? (re @Omar: )
 Kubuntu random freeze returns for 2204.
 Such freeze commences from release of KDE plasma 5.0, disappeared for a while in 20.04 and reappeared now in 2004.
 It is the same for Cinnamon Linux mint.
 Reappeared in 2204
 I am using Intel  i5-3540, and displayed card Intel on board +nividia 650
[08:52] <Guest62> i cant sudo apt update i get and error saying The repository 'http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hirsute Release' no longer has a Release file.
[08:52] <Guest62> N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default. can i fix this?
[08:56] <Guest62> i even have trouble downloading app from the discover store b/c something happen to my repositorys
[09:00] <Guest62> hello?
[09:01] <Guest62> maybe everyone is asleep....
[09:02] <Guest62> i guess ill try again some other time
[09:33] <oerheks> !hirsute
[09:33] <oerheks> EOL, upgrade to a supported version please
[10:08] <user|6> Buenas por algún motivo que desconozco mi kubuntu al iniciar me abre sin interfaz gráfica solo en terminal y de esta manera no me deja ejecutar startx por qué no se encuentra ns que hacer
[10:09] <alkisg> !es
[13:37] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[23:58] <keithzg[m]> Hmm. So if I've got a session going under X11/Plasma and I leave it long enough on my 22.10 desktop, when I return it's unresponsive. That doesn't seem to happen if I use X11/Openbox, but I run into another problem I also saw under Plasma and also when using Wayland rather than X11: networking dies.


[21:35] <kwadroke> chat night tonight
[22:03] <Ahmuck> gotcha
[22:03] <Ahmuck> moving cattle this evening
[22:03] <Ahmuck> btw, is there a way to chroot wine?
[22:10] <kwadroke> I suppose, never tried it
[22:10] <kwadroke> would make it safer
[22:12] <kwadroke> looks like people do it
[22:12] <kwadroke> mostly for 64bit linux
[22:16] <Ahmuck> u have a link.  my google skills didn't turn anything up


[00:08] <ripps> Geez, what's taking the ppa builders so long, I've some packages queued for around 24 hours, and it keeps saying it's gonna start in just an hour or two
[00:09] <popey> ripps: big queue on the ppa builders
[00:09] <popey> https://launchpad.net/builders
[00:09] <StevenK> ripps: Most of them are off testing SRUs
[02:09] <DNS777> hey guys
[02:09] <DNS777> If i try to upload code i get: Permission denied (publickey). bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: Unexpected end of message. Please check connectivity and permissions, and report a bug if problems persist.
[02:09] <DNS777> but upping packages to ppa via dput worx
[02:09] <DNS777> hm
[02:10] <wgrant> DNS777: Has it worked recently?
[02:10] <wgrant> It sounds like your SSH keys are not set up properly.
[02:10] <DNS777> ok so its about the ssh keys and not pgp keys
[02:10] <wgrant> Right, bzr uploads use SSH.
[02:12] <wgrant> https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/CreatingAnSSHKeyPair
[02:19] <DNS777> if i added the old ssh key from my lp site (created long time ago), and add it to my  id_rsa.pub then if i pull or push it says key is too open lol
[02:20] <DNS777> i try to add a new one to server
[02:22] <DNS777> added = take
[02:40] <DNS777> now it asks me for a passphrase, but if i enter the passphrase that i just choosed a few secs be4 its not workin
[02:54] <DNS777> i wonder that i never had such as problem with ssh
[07:38] <mrevell> Hello :)
[09:19] <Laney> does a "Blacklisted always" blacklist apply to all parent series?
[09:32] <Laney> actually, experimental isn't a parent series of oneiric
[09:32] <Laney> so, if I add a Blacklisted always entry to a dsd between oneiric and sid, will it also block syncs from oneiric and experimental?
[09:36] <gmb> Laney: I don't know the answer to your questions, let me see if I can find someone who does...
[09:36] <bigjools> blacklisting doesn't block syncs
[09:36] <bigjools> it just hides it
[09:37] <Laney> so it's just a UI thing?
[09:37] <bigjools> yep
[09:37] <Laney> well, we can query it for the client tools too
[09:37] <bigjools> the aim is to get just the things that need actioning on the first page you visit
[09:38] <Laney> but it should be enough to just set it for sid I suppose for our purposes
[09:38] <bigjools> what are your purposes?
[09:39] <Laney> certain packages which we don't want to (auto) sync
[09:39] <Laney> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/sync-blacklist.txt
[09:39] <bigjools> ah ok
[09:40] <Laney> so if someone tries to syncpackage foo or syncpackage -d experimental foo then the tool should block that
[09:40] <bigjools> I guess you're writing some api scripts for this?
[09:40] <Laney> yeah
[09:40] <bigjools> right, so as long as your tool checks the blacklisting status, you're golden
[09:41] <Laney> I was just confused about whether I was going to need to explicitly add blacklists for sid and experimental, but that doesn't seem to be the case
[09:42] <tumbleweed> Laney: there's a related issue, which is that when ubuntu > sid, it'll be auto-blacklisted-CURRENT, which will block a sync from experimental
[09:42] <Laney> current we can check around in the tool
[09:44] <Laney> err
[09:44] <tumbleweed> Laney: right, at the moment, I haven't, because it'll be --force -able (and it's ugly to check for)
[09:44] <Laney> tumbleweed: (or anyone else) does lp-shell staging devel work for you?
[09:44]  * Laney gets "httplib2.CertificateHostnameMismatch: Server presented certificate that does not match host staging.launchpad.net: {'notAfter': 'Feb 12 20:29:11 2012 GMT', 'subjectAltName': (('DNS', '*.staging.launchpad.net'), ('DNS', 'staging.launchpad.net')), 'subject': ((('organizationName', u'*.staging.launchpad.net'),), (('organizationalUnitName', u'Domain Control Validated'),), (('commonName', u'*.staging.launchpad.net'),))}
[09:45] <tumbleweed> yeah I noticed that a while ago too
[09:45] <tumbleweed> works fine for me now
[09:46] <Laney> hmm
[09:47] <beatpanic> Laney, this thing, happened to a collague of mine under a debian distribution
[09:47] <Laney> I am on unstable indeed
[09:48] <beatpanic> Laney, I basically monkey patched httplib2 to avoid checking for valid certs
[09:48] <Laney> doesn't work in a chroot though
[09:48] <Laney> doesn't work on my oneiric laptop either
[09:48] <Laney> sigh
[09:48] <beatpanic> Laney, but it was one of that dirty hacks and I don't remember what I have done at the moment :)
[09:50] <beatpanic> Laney, IIRC something similar these 'hints' http://viraj-workstuff.blogspot.com/2011/07/python-httplib2-certificate-verify.html
[09:50] <Laney> i'd rather not hack around it
[09:51] <beatpanic> Laney, ok
[09:52] <Laney> but thanks :-)
[09:53] <beatpanic> Laney, you are welcome
[10:01] <nizarus> hi, i downloaded a .po file to translate it offline during the #ugj but i can't fine how to upload it again to launchpad
[10:02] <artnay> nizarus: there should be a link next to "Download translation"
[10:02] <artnay> Upload translation
[10:03] <nizarus> artnay, i have only :     Download translation and Translation details
[10:04] <nizarus> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/ubiquity/+pots/ubiquity-debconf/ar/+translate
[10:04] <artnay> nizarus: are you a member of ar translation group?
[10:05] <nizarus> artnay, no :/
[10:05] <artnay> nizarus: that's probably the reason. apply for membership.
[10:06] <nizarus> artnay, i can't just upload as suggestions ?
[10:07] <artnay> nizarus: I think the "Upload translation" link won't exist for non-members
[10:07] <nizarus> ok thank you artnay
[10:08] <henninge> nizarus: I am surprised that you cannot upload suggestions.
[10:09] <henninge> nizarus: Can you *enter* suggestions on the page?
[10:09] <henninge> nizarus: Stupid question, just to be sure: You are logged in, right?
[10:09] <nizarus> henninge, yes i can write suggestions one by one
[10:09] <henninge> hm
[10:10] <nizarus> but i would like to upload the whole file
[10:10] <henninge> nizarus: that is a bug. You should be able to do that.
[10:10] <nizarus> with many suggestions
[10:10] <nizarus> yes i'm logged on :)
[10:10] <henninge> nizarus: there is no more "edge" service, btw. You must have some old link.
[10:11] <henninge> but that doesn't help here
[10:11] <nizarus> nothing on the non edge page too :/
[10:12] <henninge> yes, it is the same server
[10:12] <henninge> nizarus: bug 293680
[10:12] <henninge> 3 years old ...
[10:13] <nizarus> henninge, that's it :/
[10:21] <Laney> bigjools: is it possible to get archive admin permissions on dogfood so i can test my blacklisting script?
[10:22] <bigjools> sure
[10:24] <bigjools> Laney: done
[10:25] <Laney> ty
[10:37] <debfx> why can't I reject this merge proposal: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/oneiric/phonon/oneiric-201108111512/+merge/73919
[10:37] <debfx> I do have upload rights for the package
[10:52] <htorque> hey everyone! it seems i can edit/remove attachments from bug reports by other users. is that a bug? i can't remember seeing this before and i'm not sure if that's intended.
[10:53] <htorque> i'm part of ~launchpad-beta-testers if that's important
[11:20] <wgrant> htorque: That's always been the case, but the link is more obvious now.
[11:24] <nigelb> wgrant: heh, that's my bug fix at work right? ;)
[11:25] <htorque> wgrant: thanks for the info! that change was obviously needed in my case. :-)
[11:52] <tumbleweed> Laney: can you blacklist some things on dogfood for me? (or point me at stuff that's blacklisted)
[11:52] <Laney> tumbleweed: try things from the sync-blacklist
[11:52] <Laney> arb arts atom4 atoppatch
[11:53] <Laney> my python is so bad that i can't fix this UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xa0' in position 38: ordinal not in range(128)
[11:54] <tumbleweed> Laney: you are trying to mix byte-strings and unicode strings
[11:54] <Laney> http://paste.debian.net/128604/
[11:56] <tumbleweed> use u" instead of " to start all your strings, and either use print instead of sys.stdout.write, or do sys.stdout.write(foo.encode('utf-8'))
[11:57] <Laney> nice, works, ta
[11:58] <Laney> this is probably what people mean when they say "knows enough to be dangerous"
[11:59] <tumbleweed> erm, how are you hacking around httplib2.CertificateHostnameMismatch?
[11:59] <Laney> commented it out
[11:59] <Laney> now it fails when i pipe it to tee :(
[12:00] <tumbleweed> encode your output explicitly
[12:00]  * tumbleweed hates that about python
[12:00] <Laney> this makes me sad and/or angry
[12:00] <bigjools> death to ascii strings.  use unicode, or encoded bytestrings
[12:00]  * Laney writes haskell-launchpadlib
[12:01] <tumbleweed> bigjools: what I'm complaining about is that print behaves differently when outputting to a tty or a pipe
[12:03] <Laney> so I should go back to having sys.stdout.write()?
[12:03] <bigjools> if you use encoded strings it should work
[12:03] <Laney> with print too?
[12:03] <bigjools> yes
[12:03] <Laney> k
[12:04] <Laney> they all have u"..." - not enough?
[12:04] <bigjools> it depends on where you get the data that goes in that string
[12:04] <Laney> I suppose it does
[12:04] <bigjools> it needs to be decoded first
[12:05] <bigjools> so something like u"string" = asciistring.decode("utf8")
[12:05] <bigjools> and encode() for the other direction
[12:06] <bigjools> Python makes this a PITA
[12:06] <Laney> that really is awful
[12:07] <tumbleweed> it's better in python3, but there's still the different print behavior thing
[12:08] <tumbleweed> meh, dogfood isn't useful for testing syncpackage
[12:28] <wgrant> bigjools: The only strange thing Python does is sometimes automatically encoding in print.
[12:28] <wgrant> You suffer encode/decode in any language.
[12:29] <wgrant> The only strange thing Python does that has been mentioned here, that is.
[14:14] <dpm> hi sinzui, all set for the UADW session later on?
[14:19] <sinzui> dpm: I am ill, but am typing my presentation now
[14:20] <dpm> sinzui, oh, sorry to hear that :(. Are you sure you'll be ok to do the presentation?
[14:21] <sinzui> dpm: well. I honestly cannot say I am sure. I have been vomiting. for several hours
[14:21] <sinzui> but I really want to present
[14:23] <dpm> that's truly passion for open source
[14:23]  * dpm hugs sinzui
[14:23] <wgrant> sinzui: You seem to have good luck on holidays :/
[14:24] <sinzui> wgrant, indeed. I stressed so much I got cold sores. I am very pleased that the presentation is over IRC
[14:24] <wgrant> Heh.
[15:07] <henninge> dpm: still here?
[15:10] <dpm> henninge, yes, still here
[15:10] <henninge> dpm: ;-)
[15:10] <henninge> dpm: you asked about eog and lightdm template generation.
[15:10] <henninge> dpm: are you aware of *any* template generation that is actually happening?
[15:11] <henninge> I mean, can you name a project that uses it successfully?
[15:11] <dpm> henninge, I don't know, I assumed it was happening, I didn't check out all projects
[15:11] <dpm> so I can't really name one where I know it's happening
[15:11] <henninge> dpm: so far I have found none.
[15:11] <dpm> bummer
[15:12] <henninge> A lot of project have the template checked into the branch and import from there.
[15:12] <henninge> others just have very old templates ...
[15:13] <henninge> dpm: ok, I have to leave soon. I will email the translation people and see if anybody knows anything about this.
[15:14] <dpm> ok, thanks henninge
[15:31] <henninge> Later.
[17:32] <dobey> how does one resgister a distribution on launchpad?
[17:51] <rockstar> abentley, ping
[17:51] <abentley> rockstar: pong
[17:51] <rockstar> abentley, is diff generation taking longer than normal?
[17:51] <rockstar> (I only ask you because there's no Help Contact currently)
[17:52] <abentley> rockstar: no, I haven't heard of an issue.
[17:52] <rockstar> abentley, okay.  There might be an issue, since we have two branches now that haven't generated diffs for at least 18 minutes.
[17:53] <abentley> rockstar: gary_poster is supposed to be Help Contact, but not online.
[17:54] <beuno> 3 branches!
[17:54] <beuno> I think it's stuck or really delayed
[17:54] <beuno> none of the branches for the past 25 minutes seem to have diffs (for u1)
[17:55] <abentley> benji: your squad's on interrupt duty this week.  Can you look into this? ^^
[17:55] <benji> abentley: sure
[17:55]  * benji reads backlog.
[17:55] <abentley> benji: thanks.
[17:57] <abentley> benji: we just did a rollout.  I'm debugging an issue with buildmaster.
[17:58] <benji> abentley: so... I shouldn't look into it?
[17:59] <abentley> benji: you should look into the merge proposal diffs issue, and be aware that today's rollout may be related.
[18:00] <dobey> abentley, benji: it seems launchpad branch scanner is stuck perhaps
[18:00] <benji> abentley: gotcha
[18:29] <benji> abentley: is this the problem you're having with the biuldmaster?: OperationalError: could not translate host name "lp" to address: Name or service not known
[18:30] <abentley> benji: yes.
[18:30] <benji> that is what seems to be keeping MP diffs (and several other things) from working
[18:30] <benji> abentley: ok, once you fix that several other things should straighten out too
[18:30] <benji> is there anything I can do to help?
[18:30] <ahasenack> hi guys, I have a script that was working since ever (years), and now it's complaining about "expired token" (oauth), but I even logged in again using it
[18:30] <ahasenack> any changes landing that could affect this? I'm using api.edge.launchpad.net
[18:30] <abentley> benji: I really have no idea what's causing the issue.
[18:31] <ahasenack> just before I start debugging further
[18:31] <abentley> benji: is this happening when the scanner runs, or something?
[18:31] <benji> abentley: yep
[18:33] <abentley> benji: I can't even get trunk to build on that revision right now, because ~launchpad/lp-source-dependencies/trunk/ doesn't have bzr 2.4.1dev-r6032
[18:34] <benji> :(
[18:38] <abentley> benji: I don't see an issue like that in carob:/srv/launchpad.net-logs/scripts/ackee-bzrsyncd/scan_branches.log where do you see it?
[18:39] <benji> abentley: Gary sent me copies of some cron email errors
[18:41] <benji> abentley: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/launchpad-error-reports
[20:04] <Cypher2> hello
[20:04] <Cypher2> i need some help with bzr push on bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: Unexpected end of message. Please check connectivity and permissions, and report a bug if problems persist.
[20:10] <Cypher2> anyone?
[20:14] <kiko> Cypher2, you're not giving us a lot to go on
[20:15] <jelmer> hi Cypher2
[20:15] <Cypher2> ok
[20:15] <jelmer> Cypher2, I've just followed up on the question you asked on Launchpad asked the bzr project
[20:16] <Cypher2> well i followed the omgubuntu dev setup to fix bugs ( http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/09/series-introduction-ubuntu-development-part-2/), i managed to fix what i need, did the local commit, built the test packages and installed, verified and so on...
[20:17] <Cypher2> ssh-add -l returns The agent has no identities.
[20:19] <Cypher2> when i attempt to push.. the error comes out...
[20:20] <Cypher2> are you the same jelmer that helped me figure out the smbd/nmbd issues?
[20:23] <jelmer> one sec
[20:24] <jelmer> Cypher2: can you try adding your ssh key to your ssh agent manually ? ("ssh-add ~/.ssh/id_rsa" if I read that howto correctly)
[20:24] <jelmer> Cypher2, that's probably me, I'm not sure how many jelmers there are around here :)
[20:24] <Cypher2> :).. ok.. will attempt now
[20:25] <Cypher2> it worked!
[20:26] <Cypher2> its pushing
[20:28] <Cypher2> thanks
[20:28] <Cypher2> one last question: how can i purge all my old keys from servers
[20:31] <jelmer> Cypher2, you should be able to edit your keys on your launchpad page
[20:36] <michaelh1> Hi there.  The diff on merge requests seems to be broken.  See https://code.launchpad.net/~ramana/gcc-linaro/fix-lp-838994/+merge/74230 amd https://code.launchpad.net/~ams-codesourcery/gcc-linaro/merge-from-fsf-20110906-4.5/+merge/74213
[20:37] <michaelh1> and https://code.launchpad.net/~ams-codesourcery/gcc-linaro/merge-from-fsf-20110906-4.6/+merge/74199
[20:41] <kiko> michaelh1, is it stuck saying updating forever?
[20:41] <kiko> flacoste, ^^
[20:41] <michaelh1> kiko: > 7 hours
[20:42]  * micahg wonders why /topic wasn't updated for the issue
[20:42] <kiko> oink
[20:44] <jelmer> abentley: ^
[20:46] <abentley> michaelh1: I expect that diff is permanently broken.
[20:49] <abentley> michaelh1: This is OOPS-2075SMS17 which doesn't show up on the oops-viewer for some reason.
[20:52] <michaelh1> abentley: all three of them?  These are all the merge requests done in the last 24 hours...
[20:53] <michaelh1> How can I fix this?  My autobuilder won't run if the merge request is broken.
[20:53] <abentley> michaelh1: This is a failed branch scan.  We should it as a pending merge diff update, because if the scan shows we need to update the diff, we will.
[20:55] <abentley> michaelh1: and yes, I see four oopses, which makes sense, because it's timing out.
[21:05] <michaelh1> abentley, kiko: yip, so what's the next step?  Merge requests are the main part of how we develop.
[21:06] <kiko> michaelh1, I think abentley is saying that there's a bug in the diff generation that is causing it to time out
[21:06] <kiko> flacoste, Ursinha, matsubara-afk: ^^
[21:06] <Ursinha> erm
[21:06] <abentley> kiko: no, I'm saying that the branch scanner times out.
[21:07] <Ursinha> kiko, I'm an Ubuntu girl right now
[21:07] <kiko> Ursinha, but you know all the right lp tricks
[21:07] <kiko> abentley, on our branches specifically?
[21:07] <Ursinha> kiko, I'm looking :)
[21:07] <abentley> kiko: yes, on that linaro gcc specifically.
[21:09] <abentley> michaelh1: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/808930 is already critical, so I don't know what else is to be done.
[21:09] <Ursinha> abentley, escalated maybe
[21:09] <Ursinha> kiko, ^
[21:09] <kiko> right, can we?
[21:10] <kiko> flacoste, 3 ping :)
[21:49] <kiko> michaelh1, they are looking into it


[06:19] <sivang> mjg59: I'd like to ask some about another performance loss from latest upgrades, which wasn't before
[06:19] <Keybuk> so I picked something half way between the two
[06:19] <Keybuk> if you don't have any hotplug interfaces (ie. not present, or all auto) it won't wait at all
[06:19] <mjg59> sivang: I'm not certain I'm the right person to be asking
[06:19] <Keybuk> because the net.busy file it looks for is forced removed in S:S40hotplug and doesn't get created until a hotplug event is about to start
[06:19] <Kamion> Keybuk: hm, right
[06:19] <sivang> mjg59: last time I saw something like that it was related to "one channel for both hd and optical drive" on dell
[06:20] <Kamion> ok, approved, we'll see what happens
[06:20] <sivang> mjg59: so I figured maybe it's related to the fact I am on a laptop
[06:20] <mjg59> sivang: I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, I'm afraid
[06:20] <sivang> mjg59: can we take it private somewhere? (if you have the time, ofcourse)
[06:20] <Keybuk> Kamion: I tested the bits thoroughly individually, and then started running it on my laptop (which has the ntpdate problem every time) and it does the right thing
[06:21] <mjg59> sivang: No, if it's a development issue it belongs here. If it's not a development issue, I'm unsure why I'm the person to be talking to
[06:21] <sivang> mjg59: k
[06:22] <sivang> mjg59: but I suspect this is related to the fact I'm on a laptop, I don't feel this slow down on my desktop, but well, I can probably live with it.
[06:22] <pitti> Kamion: does it still make sense to translate d-i parts in Rosetta?
[06:23] <pitti> Kamion: quite few of the dialogs and strings are shown in English
[06:23] <Kamion> pitti: I updated a number recently; we are now past the non-langpack translation deadline
[06:23] <Kamion> pitti: any particular ones, in case I just missed the updates from Rosetta?
[06:24] <pitti> Kamion: no, no particular ones; just my general impression
[06:24] <Kamion> well, I need examples or I can't check :)
[06:24] <mjg59> sivang: If you can narrow it down to a specific upgrade, that would be helpful
[06:24] <Kamion> de: 940 translated messages, 26 fuzzy translations, 8 untranslated messages.
[06:24] <Kamion> hmm
[06:24] <seb128> Kamion: and for fr?
[06:24] <sivang> mjg59: I'm afraid I can't, sorry for the lack of information.
[06:25] <Kamion> fr: 971 translated messages, 1 fuzzy translation, 2 untranslated messages.
[06:25] <seb128> thanks
[06:26] <seb128> let me know if you plan another update, I'll translate those 3
[06:26] <mdke> does anyone know what package the update-manager strings are in in rosetta?
[06:26] <pitti> carlos: how can I become an official translator of something?
[06:26] <Kamion> seb128: the fuzzy and one of the untranslated are bogus, not sure why
[06:26] <Kamion> seb128: the other is in cdebconf
[06:27] <seb128> k, thanks
[06:27] <pitti> carlos: I wanted to add some missing translations to gnome-volume-manager, but I can't
[06:28] <Kamion> oh, I forgot to upload archive-copier
[06:28] <pitti> smurf: can you register me as German translator?
[06:28] <Keybuk> Kamion: no real progress on that cdrom-detect bug yet
[06:28] <Keybuk> it looks like he has one of those weird IDE controllers that thinks it's SCSI
[06:29] <mdke> anyone know? Is update-manager translatable via rosetta?
[06:29] <mvo> mdke: it should be, yes
[06:30] <mdke> mvo, what package would it be in, do you know?
[06:30] <Kamion> pitti: most of the visible German ones are probably in base-installer, which has no updates in Rosetta; I could probably backport them from Debian but it would take a while ...
[06:30] <pitti> mvo: I didn't find a template
[06:30] <mvo> mdke: oh, it should be update-manager. carlos, is it imported ?
[06:30] <mdke> it's not there
[06:30] <pitti> Kamion: well, never mind; no need to add something to your workload
[06:31] <mvo> pitti, mdke: there was a problem some days ago with the import, maybe carlos knows more?
[06:31] <Diziet> pitti: Yes, what did you want ?
[06:31] <mdke> mvo, hope so. There is an update-notifier in hoary, but nothing in breezy
[06:32] <pitti> Diziet: nevermind, I already found the reason (obsolete u-docs package on live CD caused missing ffox start page)
[06:32] <mvo> mdke: both "update-manager" and "update-notifier" are not availabe? bad :/
[06:32] <seb128> Kamion: cdebconf has 100% of fr translations according to rosetta
[06:32] <mdke> mvo, correct. jordi, any ideas?
[06:32] <smurf> pitti: https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-l10n-de/ => "Join the team"
[06:32] <pitti> smurf: I already did that
[06:32] <pitti> smurf: but AFAICS you are the one to prod about ack'ing?
[06:32] <jordi> (sorry, phone)
[06:33] <smurf> pitti: Ah. in that case, (a) I didn't get an email from launchpad, (b) since a few days it doesn't show the list of proposed members any more
[06:33] <mdke> k
[06:33] <smurf> pitti: I'll ask on #launchpad what the problem is
[06:33] <pitti> smurf: thanks
[06:33] <smurf> pitti: what's your username there?
[06:33] <Kamion> seb128: updated after the deadline
[06:33] <mdke> smurf, https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-l10n-de/+members
[06:33] <mdke> smurf, he's there :)
[06:33] <pitti> smurf: well, I requested the addition in the moment I pinged you
[06:34] <pitti> smurf: pitti
[06:34] <seb128> Kamion: k
[06:34] <smurf> mdke: ah, thanks
[06:34] <mdke> that is a lot of members :)
[06:35] <smurf> pitti: done
[06:35] <pitti> smurf: thanks
[06:36] <smurf> I seem to have had webcache problems, that list was cut off :-/
[06:40] <pitti> mvo: update-notifier is at 100% German translation now :-)
[06:40] <mvo> pitti: nice!
[06:44] <mdke> pitti, how did you do that?
[06:44] <mdke> we would love to have it translated in -it
[06:44] <pitti> mdke: just added the rest to Rosetta
[06:44] <mdke> pitti, you found the template for breezy?
[06:45] <pitti> mdke: yes, it's not exactly hidden
[06:45] <pitti> mdke: erm, notifier != manager
[06:45] <mdke> pitti, well me and jordi can't see it
[06:45] <mdke> search "update" on the page https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+lang/it
[06:46] <mdz> morning
[06:46] <mdz> Kamion: feel free to unseed nic-r-m
[06:46] <Kamion> -msgstr "Tlcharger de quoi supporter votre langue?"
[06:46] <Kamion> +msgstr "Tlcharger le support de language ?"
[06:47] <Kamion> seb128: which is better? the former's yours, the latter's from Rosetta
[06:47] <Kamion> mdz: ok
[06:47] <pitti> Hi mdz
[06:47] <seb128> vuntz: opinion on that? :)
[06:47] <seb128> hi mdz
[06:48] <mdke> pitti, damn, you have it in german but we don't have it in italian :)
[06:49] <mdz> mdke: has it already been translated, or not?  there seemed to be some disagreement
[06:49] <mdz> jdub: what's up with the lists.u.c archives?  there's nothing for october
[06:49] <sivang> hmm, I now wonder if what made my edimax card work is nic-r-m
[06:49] <mdke> mdz, you mean that string on ubuntu-docs?
[06:50] <mdz> mdke: yes,  the one you asked me about
[06:50] <mdke> or update-manager
[06:50] <mdke> mdz, ok, the position is that the string as it currently is, has not been translated.
[06:50] <jdub> mdz: checking into it tonight
[06:51] <mdz> mdke: if it hasn't been translated, there's no reason not to change it
[06:51] <mdke> mdz, cool. The further question, which Kamion raised, is what to change it to
[06:51] <mdz> mdke: starter guide
[06:52] <mdke> mdz, if we use Ubuntu FAQ Guide, it is possible that we can use the existing translation of the title of the guide to localise that string. if we use "starter guide" (better title), we won't be able to localise the string, unless it is put up for translation now/later
[06:52] <seb128> Kamion: since vuntz doesn't reply, I would pick my version :)
[06:53] <jdub> mako: ping
[06:53] <Kamion> seb128: ok
[06:54] <mdke> mdz, starter guide it is? i'm happy with that if you are
[06:54] <Kamion> also Rosetta flattens non-breaking space 0xA0 to space 0x20 in French translations. grumble
[06:54] <Riddell> infinity: are you able to grant documentation group SVN access?
[06:54] <seb128> Kamion: all the unbreakable spaces?
[06:54] <seb128> carlos: is that known?
[06:56] <vuntz> seb128, Kamion: "Tlcharger le support pour votre langue"
[06:56] <Kamion> seb128: obviously I haven't checked exhaustively, but it seems to - unless translators have been adding text to Rosetta without 0xA0
[06:57] <seb128> Kamion: that's would not be a surprise, you have to use compose to do that and I'm not sure that a lot of people know that
[06:57] <seb128> anyway
[06:58] <Kamion> seb128: these ones should have been imported from the correct versions in the package, though
[06:58] <seb128> Kamion: vuntz' version is nice, pick this one if you have not made the change yet
[06:58] <Kamion> done
[06:58] <seb128> Kamion: I'll ping carlos about that
[06:58] <seb128> thanks
[06:58] <lamont__> buildLogs/e/evolution-data-server/1.4.1-0ubuntu1/evolution-data-server_1.4.1-0ubuntu1_20051003-2247-ia64-successful.gz:Function `isodate_from_time_t' implicitly converted to pointer at e-cal-backend-http.c:877
[06:58] <lamont__> buildLogs/g/gnome-media/2.12.O-0ubuntu1/gnome-media_2.12.O-0ubuntu1_20050905-0110-ia64-successful.gz:Function `gnome_vfs_mime_type_from_name' implicitly converted to pointer at audio-profile-choose.c:61
[06:58] <lamont__> buildLogs/g/gnome-pilot/2.0.13-0ubuntu9/gnome-pilot_2.0.13-0ubuntu9_20050926-1010-ia64-successful.gz:Function `crypt' implicitly converted to pointer at gpilotd.c:541 Function `crypt' implicitly converted to pointer at make-password.c:76
[06:59] <lamont__> seb128 even
[06:59] <pitti> Kamion: btw, if you need a German example: the dialogs for entering user name and the first password are completely untranslated
[06:59] <mdz> mdke: I think "FAQ Guide" is confusing
[06:59] <seb128> lamont__: utch
[06:59] <mdke> mdz, me too
[06:59] <mpt> hurrah
[06:59] <jordi> could very well be a mozilla bug too
[06:59] <Kamion> pitti: no update available for pkgconf-shadow in Rosetta
[07:00] <jordi> I remember mozilla broke non-breaking spaces in the past
[07:00] <desrt> seb128; did you or davyd reply, yet, to my email?
[07:00] <Kamion> pitti: if you translate it really quickly, I can update it
[07:00] <Kamion> since apparently that's one I missed anyway
[07:00] <lamont__> seb128: not that they _need_ to be fixed for release, but they are definitely bugs
[07:00] <seb128> desrt: we spoke about it on IRC, he has the issue too and we didn't figure what's wrong
[07:00] <pitti> Kamion: right; however, I wondered because it was fully translated in Hoary, and I didn't see obvious changes
[07:00] <mdke> mdz, ok starter guide it is. We'll try and build the string into our rosetta template just in case there is a possibility of uploading language updates after release
[07:00] <seb128> lamont__: right
[07:00] <desrt> seb128; k.  just trying to figure out if i'm lost email (both of my mailservers in two separate countries went down simultaneously)
[07:01] <Kamion> pitti: well, those dialogs all changed upstream
[07:01] <pitti> ah, ok
[07:01] <seb128> desrt: davyd replied that it works for him, I replied to that and we continued on IRC
[07:02] <desrt> ah
[07:02] <desrt> so i am missing mail :(
[07:02] <desrt> thanks
[07:02] <mdz> mjg59: I thought we got the ata passthrough patch in, which was what we needed for hdparm?
[07:02] <mjg59> mdz: You said that it was too big
[07:03] <mdz>   * drivers-scsi-libata-passthrough: Support for ata passthrough with hdparm
[07:03] <mdz>     and smartmon tools. (Closes: #14931)
[07:03] <mjg59> Oh. Uhm.
[07:03] <mdz> linux-source-2.6.12 (2.6.12-9.19) breezy; urgency=low
[07:03] <mjg59> Right, sorry - I thought we'd agreed not to do that.
[07:03] <mjg59> Do you want me to do a 0.45 with that enabled again?
[07:05] <mdz> mjg59: hmm, good question
[07:05] <mdz> having hdparm working again is one thing, and poking at it by default when we haven't been testing that is another
[07:06] <mdz> is it easy for people to re-enable it if they have an SATA laptop?
[07:06] <mjg59> At the moment they have to uncomment some lines in /etc/acpi/power.sh
[07:06] <pitti> Kamion: I update them in Rosetta, it can't hurt anyway
[07:06] <mdz> let's leave it, then. let them enable it if they want to find out whether it works
[07:06] <mdz> I've approved 0.44
[07:08] <ploum> sivang, re 16931 : yes, I see a separator between them
[07:10] <pitti> Kamion: done
[07:10] <Kamion> pitti: thanks
[07:10] <sivang> ploum: on both top and bottom ?
[07:10] <lamont__> mdz: speaking of kernels...
[07:11] <ploum> sivang, well it's just like others apps
[07:11] <mdz> Kamion: when do you plan to do the final d-i upload for RC?
[07:12] <ploum> sivang, the only difference is that I have a "preference" at the top (on top of Help)
[07:12] <mdz> we should start building RCCs no later than tomorrow afternoon
[07:12] <Kamion> mdz: tomorrow morning
[07:12] <sivang> ploum: and you have TWO seperators that distinguish the "Get help oneline" and "Translate this application" ?
[07:12] <Kamion> updates today are only non-initrd and safe translation-only changes
[07:13] <sivang> ploum: from the rest of the items on the context menu?
[07:13] <Kamion> hmm, maybe s/and/or/ there would be clearer
[07:13] <ploum> sivang : no
[07:13] <Kamion> either not in the initrd, or translation-only
[07:13] <ploum> sivang, I take a screenshot, it will be easier
[07:13] <sivang> ploum: sure, thanks
[07:15] <ploum> sivang, http://ploum.fritalk.com/multidesk.png
[07:16] <sivang> ploum: dude, six desktops?  :)
[07:16] <ploum> sivang, 8
[07:16] <sivang> hmm, I should learn to count
[07:16] <ploum> :p
[07:16] <smurf> mdz: What's a RCC? Release Candidate Candidate?
[07:17] <sivang> ploum: anyway, you were right. I wonder if this is some weird left over from me hacking on gnome-panle to include lpi
[07:17] <ploum> sivang, you are welcome
[07:17] <Keybuk> sivang: I have 12
[07:17] <sivang> Keybuk: :)
[07:17] <Keybuk> e.g. in http://www.netsplit.com/tmp/Screenshot.png
[07:17] <jdub> Riddell: ping
[07:18] <jdub> jordi: ping
[07:18] <jdub> ogra: ping
[07:18] <sivang> Keybuk: wow
[07:18] <ogra> jdub, pong
[07:18] <sivang> Keybuk: what's that packect.c file you are hacking on?
[07:19] <Keybuk> part of the app in the top-right window
[07:19] <Riddell> jdub: hi
[07:19] <Keybuk> which is being debugged in the bottom-left
[07:19] <Keybuk> uh, bottom right
[07:19] <sivang> Keybuk: what does it do?
[07:20] <Keybuk> sivang: if the window at the top-right doesn't make sense on first sight, it's hard to explain :)
[07:20] <Keybuk> it's a timing screen for an F1 race
[07:20] <mjg59> seb128: I moved a file on a usb stick to trash. Opening the trash applet shows it, but the applet claims that there's no trash and I can't empty it
[07:20] <Diziet> kamion/mdz: I would like to upload fontconfig to fix 16905 (wrong path for X11 fonts).  I trust that's OK ?
[07:20] <Keybuk> and yes, I use emacs
[07:20] <Diziet> I have done a test build, of course, and it works.
[07:21] <mdz> Diziet: one-liner?
[07:21] <sivang> Keybuk: that's ok, I like emacs very much. Although when in lack of resources and need of speed, I use vi :)
[07:21] <jordi> jdub: pong
[07:21] <mdz> or otherwise trivial pathname substitution?
[07:21] <Keybuk> sivang: yeah, I use vi as an editor, emacs as an IDE
[07:23] <seb128> mjg59: seems to be a notifu
[07:23] <seb128> notification issue
[07:23] <mdz> Diziet: if so, yes, if not , send a debdiff
[07:23] <mjg59> seb128: Ok. I couldn't find a bug filed - shall I add one?
[07:23] <Diziet> mdz: Yes.
[07:24] <Diziet> I've looked at the debdiff myself.  I'll upload it now.
[07:24] <seb128> mjg59: if you can get it on will yep
[07:24] <seb128> mjg59: if that happened once and you have no gamin log or something like that's it's not really useful
[07:25] <mdz> smurf: yes
[07:25] <mjg59> seb128: Well, is it something that you're currently tracking?
[07:25] <seb128> mjg59: no, we have no bug about that atm
[07:25] <Nafallo> I just had a question from one of our users that has a webhotel. what is "server" and what is "client" for dapper. i.e. what parts have 3 years support?
[07:26] <seb128> mjg59: is your system uptodate? gnomevfs/nautilus 2.12.1 are supposed to have some fix for that
[07:27] <mjg59> seb128: Ah - it's from last week. I'll try an update.
[07:28] <seb128> let me know if you still get that with the current versions
[07:36] <jdub> mjg59: got my /msg?
[07:38] <mako> jdub: oh oh
[07:38] <mako> jdub: did i catch you?
[07:39] <jdub> mako: oh!
[07:39] <jdub> mako: just sent you email *right then*
[07:40] <mako> does this pertain to your imminent arrival in my fair city?
[07:40] <jdub> it does
[07:41] <jdub> was just about to do hotel stuff when i saw your wiki update
[07:42] <mako> jdub: need a place to crash?
[07:42] <jdub> ja!
[07:42] <mako> jdub: you have one
[07:42] <jdub> yay!
[07:43] <mako> bUT
[07:43] <mako> we should throw an ubuntu party
[07:43] <mako> at my place
[07:43] <jdub> yeah!
[07:43] <jdub> though i won't be there for the 13th
[07:43] <mako> if we use all rooms, its unlikely that my place will hold more than 40
[07:43] <jdub> 7th-11th
[07:43] <mako> we had 25 in the biggest room
[07:43] <mako> it was tight but worked
[07:44] <fabbione> hey mako
[07:44] <jdub> mako: which night do you want to do the partay?
[07:44] <mako> we get sabdl to buy a keg and we're set :)
[07:44] <mako> fabbione: hey there :)
[07:45] <mako> jdub: i'm hosting two others already.. i have three proper sleeping places including the couch
[07:45] <mako> jdub: i might host one or two more on the floor if they have a sleeping bag
[07:46] <mako> jdub: http://www.aceatrium.com
[07:46] <mako> jdub: sorry http://www.acetarium.com
[07:47] <jdub> heh
[07:52] <infinity> Riddell : I dunno, are you?
[07:55] <Riddell> infinity: ignore me
[08:06] <mako> jdub: so.. what day do you think would be ideal?
[08:06] <pitti> doko: ping
[08:06] <mako> jdub: should i give luis a call? i already pinged him about it but he didn't get back to me yest
[08:07] <jdub> mako: 8th or 9th
[08:07] <jdub> mako: how about 8th for maximum not-at-work-tomorrow value?
[08:09] <jdub> mako: ha ha ha re: cost benefit
[08:09] <carlos> seb128, hi, I'm not aware of that problem...
[08:10] <ivoks> pitti: hi you were right... gnome-cups-add hal://%h doesn't work :/
[08:13] <sivang> ivoks: trying to fix cupsys bugs?
[08:13] <ivoks> sivang: not really :)
[08:14] <ivoks> sivang: but i was thinking about investigating that...
[08:14] <pitti> sivang: that one was about g-v-m
[08:15] <carlos> dholbach, pitti gnome-backgrounds is not generating the .pot file
[08:15] <dholbach> carlos: oh, ok - same reason for gnome-mag?
[08:16] <pitti> carlos, dholbach: cdbs gnome.mk's magic doesn't work for arch:all packages
[08:16] <sivang> pitti: btw, mdz didn't agree for patching cupsys that late in the cycle, which is understood, so we probably need a BOF for that issue with cupsys and some more enhancments
[08:16] <sivang> pitti: to have for dapper
[08:16] <pitti> sivang: yes
[08:17] <carlos> dholbach, gnome-mag has it, let me check why is not yet imported...
[08:17] <ivoks> :/
[08:18] <seb128> dholbach: you said it was yesterday no? (gnome-background)
[08:19] <dholbach> seb128: yesterday i couldnt find the translations, yes
[08:20] <seb128> dholbach: but you got a .pot after the build no? carlos said <carlos> dholbach, pitti gnome-backgrounds is not generating the .pot file
[08:21] <Diziet> The usplash font is still the ugly one.
[08:21] <carlos> seb128, gnome-background is not generating it so I don't get the .pot
[08:21] <dholbach> seb128: i think so, will re-check
[08:21] <Diziet> And the firefox start page still has no css.
[08:22] <dholbach> no... grmbl
[08:22] <sivang> Diziet: so is the epiphany one
[08:23] <Diziet> Isn't it the same page ?  `About Ubuntu'.
[08:23] <sivang> Diziet: oops, right
[08:25] <mdz> seb128: do you have the bug# for the boot-admin vs. menu.lst bug?  it wasn't in your changelog and dupes are still being reported
[08:26] <seb128> mdz: #13584  #15638
[08:26] <mdz> 15638, thanks
[08:26] <seb128> np
[08:27] <pitti> seb128: librsvg2 builds fine with firefox-dev instead of mozilla-dev; would there be anything wrong about it?
[08:28] <seb128> pitti: no, dholbach did that when syncing from Debian but we said than mozilla is main anyway so we didn't bother changing
[08:28] <seb128> pitti: I've a pending upload with 2 patches, I can change that too if you want
[08:29] <seb128> s/with/for/
[08:29] <pitti> seb128: would be nice, but only if it is safe
[08:30] <pitti> seb128: it is one of three packages that keep mozilla-browser in main
[08:30] <seb128> pitti: are we moving it to universe before 5.10? what are the 2 other packages
[08:30] <pitti> this got out of my attention unfortunately, so I fear we need to keep moz in main for breezy
[08:30] <seb128> pitti: if we have to keep it for the 2 other, no point to do it now, I'll do when we open dapper
[08:30] <pitti> but at least we should really, really kill it off for dapper
[08:31] <seb128> yah
[08:31] <seb128> yeah
[08:31] <pitti> seb128: enigmail seems doable, OO.o is unknown
[08:31] <pitti> seb128: ideally I'd like to drop the moz-dev dependency to mozilla
[08:31] <pitti> seb128: and just add the required files from moz to m-dev
[08:31] <pitti> seb128: so that OO.o can build without -browser
[08:32] <pitti> oh, phone, cu later
[08:36] <carlos> dholbach, the problem with gnome-mag is in my side, I will try to get it fixed today
[08:36] <dholbach> carlos: thank you, i'll take care of gnome-backgrounds
[08:36] <dholbach> thanks carlos, pitti, seb128 :)
[08:36] <seb128> carlos: do you have gnome-applets now?
[08:41] <carlos> seb128, it's being imported atm
[08:42] <mdke> carlos, did you see the bitching about update-manager earlier? any idea about that?
[08:43] <seb128> carlos: cool, it has been fixed today, just making sure :)
[08:43] <carlos> seb128, thanks
[08:43] <seb128> carlos: do you have a list of desktop packages to fix ?
[08:43] <seb128> thank *you* :)
[08:43] <carlos> nomeata, I don't (other than update-manager)
[08:43] <carlos> fucked xchat...
[08:43] <carlos> s/nomeata/no/
[08:43] <carlos> mdke, let me check..
[08:44] <seb128> cool, thanks
[08:44] <carlos> seb128, about the non breakable spaces change... any URL from where I can check that?
[08:45] <zyga> Kamion: hi
[08:45] <seb128> carlos: ask Kamion, he pointed that
[08:45] <zyga> Kamion: do you have a moment
[08:46] <ogra> zyga, he left for the evening i think
[08:47] <carlos> seb128, pitti, mdke update-manager is not generating the .pot file that's why It's not imported
[08:47] <carlos> Kamion, ?
[08:47] <carlos> oh
[08:47] <carlos> ogra, ok
[08:47] <zyga> ogra: too bad
[08:48] <zyga> I wanted to talk with someone about ruby issue
[08:48] <seb128> zyga: mail the list
[08:48] <ogra> zyga, come on... he works more than 12h a day :) leave him a bit of spare time ;)
[08:48] <zyga> ogra: yeah I know :)
[08:49] <ogra> zyga, just do as seb128 suggested :)
[08:49] <zyga> seb128: I'm not sure how to explain the problem - that's why I preferred to talk
[08:49] <mdke> carlos, i think it is mvo's package
[08:49] <mdke> maybe he can fix that
[08:49] <zyga> carlos: hi
[08:49] <zyga> carlos: I hacked update-manager a bit, can I help?
[08:50] <carlos> mdke, I know, but mvo is not online and pitti and seb128 already fixed that kind of problems
[08:50] <seb128> carlos: I'll have a look
[08:50] <mdke> carlos, awesome if they can
[08:50] <carlos> zyga, not sure, we need that the .pot file is generated on build time so the automatic bridge to Rosetta works
[08:50] <carlos> seb128, thanks
[08:51] <seb128> np
[08:51] <zyga> carlos: just a moment, I'll have a look
[08:53] <zyga> carlos: you are talking about dpkg-buildpackage 'build time' right?
[08:53] <carlos> zyga, I suppose, pitti and seb128 know the details
[08:54] <zyga> carlos: fixed
[08:55] <zyga> carlos: the source currently in the repository has a one-line bug
[08:55] <carlos> zyga, cool, thanks
[08:55] <zyga> remove gnome-software-properties.desktop.in from po/POTFILES.in
[08:55] <zyga> it's no longer used and it's causing the pot build to fail
[08:55] <zyga> I cannot commit this, sorry :)
[08:56] <zyga> a regular cd po && make update-po works then
[08:56] <zyga> hmm....
[08:56] <zyga> is mvo going to be here today?
[08:57] <seb128> zyga: why do you need him right now?
[08:58] <zyga> seb128: I've noticed that something strange happened to the source
[08:58] <zyga> seb128: the issue with potfiles was already fixed
[08:58] <seb128> zyga: ?
[08:58] <zyga> (we fixed it before)
[08:58] <seb128> what package?
[08:58] <zyga> update-manager
[08:58] <seb128> it doesn't update the potfile
[08:59] <zyga> yes
[08:59] <seb128> and the POTFILE list a file not shipped with the package
[08:59] <seb128> but that can wait 1 hour
[08:59] <seb128> please be patient
[08:59] <schimmi> I wanna debug an acpi suspend problem. any pointer how to debug it if it just crashes on wakeup (no display, not net, no nothing, just running fan) ?
[08:59] <seb128> mvo will fix it when he's around
[08:59] <seb128> or I'll fix it after dinner if he's not here
[08:59] <seb128> anyway time for dinner, bbl
[08:59] <zyga> seb128: you mean POTFILE should be shipped?
[09:00] <seb128> it is
[09:00] <zyga> cheers seb128
[09:00] <seb128> the package has it
[09:00] <carlos> seb128, having dinner now? so late??? you are not a real french :-P
[09:00] <seb128> anyway, bbl
[09:00] <seb128> carlos: ah ah
[09:00] <zyga> I know - I don't understand ... nevermind
[09:00] <carlos> seb128, pitti, mdke, going out to have dinner, if you need anything send me an email and I will take a look when I'm back
[09:00] <carlos> later!
[09:00] <dholbach> do we support jigit/jigdo at any rate?
[09:01] <ogra> dholbach, nope
[09:01] <ogra> dholbach, there was a mail from Kamion bout it iirc
[09:01] <ogra> last week or so...
[09:01] <dholbach> ogra: ok, because of #16763
[09:02] <ogra> dholbach, the fix makes sense... though
[09:03] <dholbach> ogra: yeah, but the pointing to a site is a bit problematic in our cas e:)
[09:03] <dholbach> herzi: fixed libgsf should be in the archive soon
[09:03] <ogra> dholbach, true...
[09:04] <herzi> dholbach: great
[09:04] <dholbach> ogra: i'll have a look out for that mail, thanks
[09:04] <herzi> that you VERY much
[09:04] <ogra> dholbach, :
[09:04] <ogra> > Would it be possible to provide official jigdo templates for breezy
[09:04] <ogra> > for dvds of universe and multiverse? I know a lot of people who would
[09:04] <ogra> > really appreciate this.
[09:04] <ogra> It's unlikely to happen officially (the cdimage machine is already quite
[09:04] <ogra> busy, and jigdo-ing things takes ages), but I welcome efforts to do it
[09:04] <ogra> unofficially.
[09:04] <ogra> thats Kamions answer
[09:04] <ogra> ;)
[09:05] <dholbach> merci
[09:05] <ogra> but its a bit odd that we have th ejigdo files on cdimage if we dont support it
[09:05] <ogra> imho
[09:05] <dholbach> yes
[09:06] <dholbach> 250k :)
[09:15] <Riddell> mdz, Kamion: can I upload a new kubuntu-docs, the version that's in there is horribly out of date
[09:15] <mdz> Riddell: just doc updates?  will it break translations?
[09:15] <Riddell> mdz: they arn't translated
[09:16] <sivang> ploum: ping, still here?
[09:16] <mdz> Riddell: if they are only docs and no code changes, and they aren't translated, then it's fine
[09:16] <Riddell> mdz: yes, no code changes
[09:16] <Riddell> except removing the user guide since that won't get finished in time
[09:19] <hno73> mdz, Kamion: I'm uploading a new tarball that is exactly 100MB: OOo2, Firefox and Gaim
[09:19] <hno73> I guess we could save another 10 MB by going with OOo 1.1.5
[09:20] <hno73> which is the official stable release, but ...
[09:25] <wasabi__> jbailey, ping
[09:25] <ploum> sivang, yep
[09:25] <wasabi__> having some pretty bad initramfs probs, hope something isn't broken. :0
[09:26] <sivang> ploum: can you plesae open AisleRiot (GNOME game) and look up the lp items?
[09:26] <ploum> sivang, no problem in aisleriot
[09:26] <sivang> ploum: two seperators? :)
[09:27] <ploum> no !
[09:27] <sivang> ploum: can you put up a screenshot ?
[09:27] <ploum> yep
[09:28] <ploum> http://ploum.fritalk.com/aisleriot.png
[09:29] <sivang> ploum: cool then, everything's fine.
[09:29] <sivang> ploum: thanks
[09:30] <ploum> sivang, you are welcome
[09:33] <jbailey> wasabi: pong
[09:34] <dholbach> mdz: were you presented with syncing "supah-powahs" too? i just remember that Colin got them in James' absence
[09:35] <ogra> dholbach, mdz too (referring to Kamion)
[09:35] <dholbach> ogra: merci
[09:36] <dholbach> mdz: if you should find the time, if not it's not tragic, could you please sync gftp from sid? (we didn't make modifications, so that should be fine), rationale is the fixes listed on http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/g/gftp/gftp_2.0.18-10/changelog
[09:41] <thesaltydog> dholbach, http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/b/baobab/baobab_1.2.0-1/changelog.html
[09:41] <Riddell> mdz: can I upload an updated kubuntu-meta?  it adds usplash artwork
[09:43] <bddebian> Riddell: Got any thoughts on kmymoney2 and all the associated stuff (libaqbanking, libchipcard2, etc)
[09:43] <bddebian> :)
[09:44] <Riddell> bddebian: what's the question?
[09:44] <Riddell> they had a new release didn't they
[09:44] <bddebian> Riddell: There is a Malone bug to update the version
[09:44] <bddebian> Same for gnucash
[09:44] <bddebian> Both need newer libchipcard2, libaqbanking, etc
[09:45] <Riddell> bddebian: anything else rdepend off those?
[09:45] <bddebian> Oh yeah, they need newer libofx too :-)
[09:46] <ogra> Riddell, you dont have the usplash in yet o_O
[09:46] <Riddell> ogra: why not?
[09:46] <bddebian> Riddell: Not for libchipcard2
[09:46] <Riddell> sorry, read that wrong
[09:46] <ogra> Riddell, that was a question :)
[09:47] <ogra> Riddell, in edubuntu its already there since some days
[09:47] <ogra> i was just astonished :)
[09:47] <bddebian> OMG, it's a never ending stream of updates... libaqbanking, libaqhbci, libofx, libchipcard2..
[09:50] <Riddell> bddebian: sounding dangerous
[09:51] <bddebian> Riddell: Nah, sounds "fun" ;-)
[09:51] <mdke> i've just dist-upgraded to breezy and the language-selector is not present :/ any ideas what is wrong? shall i file a bug
[09:52] <thesaltydog> mdke, install ubuntu-desktop
[09:52] <mdke> hmm
[09:52] <thesaltydog> mdke, I had the same problem
[09:52] <mdke> the dist-upgrade didn't go well, there are some more things to install
[09:52] <mdke> will do it now
[09:52] <mdke> thanks thesaltydog
[09:52] <thesaltydog> mdke, yes. should be a guide somewhere. Why don't you work on it?
[09:53] <ogra> mdke, always make sure the -desktop package is there if you upgrade between releases, it eases the pain ;)
[09:53] <ogra> eases == solves most of the issues
[09:53] <mdke> ogra, yeah... although that shouldn't be
[09:53] <thesaltydog> ogra, it looks like dist-upgrading to breezy the -desktop package disappears..
[09:53] <mdke> yeah i'm pretty sure I had -desktop installed
[09:53] <ogra> mdke, sure it should and its stated in every upgrade notes since warty
[09:54] <thesaltydog> ogra, c'mon, don't joke...
[09:54] <mdke> ogra, well as Kamion said once, it shouldn't be necessary to have -desktop to have a clean upgrade
[09:54] <ogra> thesaltydog, maybe because some pre depnds are not ready yet
[09:54] <mdke> but anyway, I had -desktop installed yesterday
[09:54] <mdke> thesaltydog, is there a bug open about this?
[09:54] <mpt> mdke: there is a BoF proposed about it
[09:54] <thesaltydog> mdke, I'm not sure it is a real bug.. maybe a lack of documentation
[09:55] <ogra> mdke, if you want all the new and shiny stuff, you'll need it... lang-selector wanst there in hoary... -desktop cares for it
[09:55] <thesaltydog> mdke, you need also to install gnome localization packages
[09:55] <mdke> ogra, i repeat, for the 3rd time, that I had -desktop installed before the upgrade started
[09:55] <thesaltydog> the language-pack has been splitted
[09:55] <ogra> mdke, indeed its shouldnt matter for a simple package upgrade
[09:55] <mdke> thesaltydog, yeah that is documented
[09:56] <ogra> mdke, and i repeat the second time that some pre dependencys might be broken currently...
[09:56] <thesaltydog> what can I say for the 4th time?? :-)
[09:56] <ogra> thesaltydog, be creative ;)
[09:56] <mdke> oh well
[09:57] <mdke> dist-upgrade is a nightmare at the moment
[09:57] <mdke> hopefully it will be better for the RC
[09:57] <ogra> mdke, if you watched the upgrade (i usually dont) you would have seen what made it disappear
[09:57] <mdke> ogra, yeah i didn't have time to follow it
[09:58] <mdke> oh well, if it is a bug then i guess the reports will come in
[09:58] <thesaltydog> ogra it should be a way that warns user if -minimal , -base or -desktop metapackages are removed or going to be removed..
[09:59] <ogra> mdke, to be safe in such cases, dont dist-upgrade, just upgrade ;)
[09:59] <mdke> ogra, from hoary to breezy I shouldn't dist-upgrade???
[09:59] <ogra> thesaltydog, apt does that, but you need to attend the upgrade
[09:59] <ogra> mdke, not if something might be in a broken state
[10:00] <ogra> i'm always careful with dist-upgrades...
[10:00] <mdke> hmm
[10:00] <mdke> i understood to upgrade to a new version of Ubuntu I needed to dist-upgrade
[10:00] <ogra> dist-upgrade means apt is allowed to remove stuff to fullfill dependencys
[10:00] <ogra> upgrade only upgrades
[10:00] <thesaltydog> ogra, no, I mean one of your beautiful graphical fireworks... Thos that even my mother will understand...
[10:01] <zyga> hmm
[10:01] <zyga> why did we get radeontool?
[10:03] <ogra> mdke, think about the case where ooo is broken but -desktop depends on a certain minimal version thats not in the archive... it will simply uninstall -desktop becaue it cant fulfill the dep...
[10:03] <ogra> mdke, if you run upgrade instead of dist-upgrade, it just wont upgrade -desktop but leave it in place
[10:04] <thesaltydog> ogra, in these case, a small flashing icon on the taskbar saying "wooops.. you don't have u-d installed!"
[10:04] <ogra> thesaltydog, the pc couldalso do some explosion sounds indeed...
[10:05] <thesaltydog> whay not? Maybe some smoke from the fan..
[10:05] <ogra> but the simple solution is not to blindly dist-upgrade during development releases ;)
[10:05] <mdke> ogra, i dunno much about it, i was just dist-upgrading to breezy as thousands will do in a couple of days
[10:05] <thesaltydog> oliver, once you told me "make it simpler!" remember?
[10:05] <ogra> mdke, for RC all will be fine
[10:05] <jbailey> Am I the only one annoyed by the slow fade-in, fade-out of the screesaver?
[10:05] <ogra> jbailey, yes
[10:06] <thesaltydog> you really believe that my mom will look at the thousands lines during such a dist-upgrade?
[10:06] <bddebian> jbailey: Nope ;-)
[10:06] <pitti> seb128, carlos: ah, update-manager does not use cdbs, nor gnome.mk, I fix the package to produce a pot
[10:06] <ogra> jbailey, but you can adjust it :) suggest a better default value
[10:06] <zyga> jbailey: it's nince IMHO
[10:06] <jbailey> ogra: Adjust it?  Last I checked, there were no adjustments to the screensaver.    I have a memory that I could the shift key and start typing in my window right away.  Now it winds up feellike like I break my train of thought wondering why my machine is broken.
[10:09] <pitti> Kamion: here?
[10:09] <jbailey> ogra: No worries.  If I'm the only one who's having issues, I'll cope. =)
[10:09] <ogra> jbailey, feel free to suggest a better value ...
[10:09] <wasabi__> jbailey, initramfs starts, md loads, lvm fails to load, evms loads but detects no devices.
[10:09] <wasabi__> Not quite sure waht's up.
[10:09] <seb128> pitti: cool, thanks :)
[10:10] <jbailey> ogra: I have no idea how to discover that value. =(  I freely acknowledge that my use cases are not that common
[10:10] <jbailey> ogra: I also admit that part of the reason I never used Windows XP is because all the menus faded in.
[10:10] <ogra> jbailey, in the screensaver settings panel
[10:10] <ogra> jbailey, extended options
[10:10] <bddebian> jbailey: Now THAT, I know you can switch off ;-P
[10:10] <jbailey> ogra: I found it slow and disturbing and it was easier to wind the drive and reinstall than figure out wher eto change it. =)
[10:11] <zyga> jbailey: you can turn off the fade
[10:11] <jbailey> ogra: Nice, I see it.  Thanks!
[10:11] <zyga> jbailey: check advanced options in the screeen saver prefs
[10:11] <ogra> jbailey, all i want is to make you happy, but i need the value you like for that ;)
[10:11] <bddebian> :)
[10:11] <jbailey> "Fondu au noir lors du verrouillage" =)
[10:11] <wasabi__> Hmmm. =(
[10:12] <jbailey> ogra: The only thing I can suggest is faster than I think, but slow enough for the eye to catch, and I have no idea what that value is.
[10:12] <jbailey> wasabi__: Mmm
[10:12] <jbailey> wasabi__: Are you at a shell prompt, then?
[10:12] <ogra> jbailey, check if 1sec serves you
[10:13] <wasabi__> well, i was. not anymore.
[10:13] <ogra> i can adjust it in the next upload
[10:13] <wasabi__> live cd
[10:13] <wasabi__> The funny thing is, at the prompt, I can run evms_activate
[10:13] <wasabi__> but it detects nothing
[10:13] <wasabi__> the lvm scripts (when run manually) do properly detect and create /dev/mapper/vg0-root
[10:13] <jbailey> ogra: Oh.  I see is.  It fading away the screen saver for 1 second and then fading in the desktop for 1 second now?
[10:13] <wasabi__> but evms_activate doesn't see anything
[10:14] <jbailey> If that was 2 before, no wonder I was getting frustrated.
[10:14] <wasabi__> guess I can mount /dev/mapper/vg0-root
[10:14] <ogra> jbailey, yes, thats wha the spinbutton is for
[10:14] <jbailey> wasabi__: Hmm
[10:14] <wasabi__> It might just be an evms bug.
[10:14] <wasabi__> But if so, it's pretty bad. =(
[10:14] <jbailey> wasabi__: Are you just looking for lvm volumes managed through evms?
[10:15] <wasabi__> No. evms has two components. The mapper which can map anything to a name in /dev/evms and the management interface.
[10:15] <wasabi__> /dev/evms/root is my root, which is mapped to /dev/mapper/vg0-root.
[10:15] <wasabi__> It's plain ol' LVM beyond that
[10:15] <wasabi__> I'll brb, going to try to mount root with pure LVM.
[10:15] <jbailey> wasabi__: Can you see if I included the lvm2 module in there?
[10:16] <wasabi__> oh, you did.
[10:16] <wasabi__> lvm works.
[10:16] <jbailey> No, I mean for evms.
[10:16] <wasabi__> oh?
[10:16] <wasabi__> there's such a thing?
[10:16] <jbailey> In the initramfs look in /lib/evms/2.5.2/*.so
[10:16] <wasabi__> (is there a way to mount an initramfs???)
[10:16] <jbailey> wasabi__: mkdir /tmp/foo; cd /tmp/foo; zcat /boot/initrd.img | cpio -i
[10:16] <wasabi__> doh.
[10:17] <wasabi__> root@ubuntu:/initramfs/lib/evms/2.5.2# ls
[10:17] <wasabi__> disk-1.2.10.so  dos-1.1.13.so  lvm2-1.0.2.so  multipath-1.0.2.so
[10:18] <jbailey> AH, so much for that theory.
[10:18] <jbailey> I remember not including md because it was huge.
[10:18] <wasabi__> Hmm. Shouldn't matter though, should it?
[10:18] <wasabi__> I do use md.
[10:19] <wasabi__> But evms should't be aware of it really... should it?
[10:19] <wasabi__> And this is a recent problem.
[10:19] <jbailey> Right.  That's only if you want evms_activate to assemble your md volumes for you.
[10:20] <jbailey> wasabi__: Let's check the obious.  The /dev/hd* exists, right?
[10:20] <wasabi__> yes.
[10:21] <wasabi__> I'll brb
[10:22] <mpt> sivang: I don't suppose you want to know that those lpi menu separators are in the wrong place anyway ... ;-)
[10:23] <sivang> mpt: actually I do, we should fix everything there for dapper :) we shold sit on a beer in UBZ
[10:23] <mpt> that sounds painful
[10:23] <mpt> but we can certainly sit in close proximity to a beer :-)
[10:23] <jbailey> mpt: The trick is to sit *around* the beer.
[10:24] <jbailey> mpt: It's best done my consuming it.
[10:24] <jbailey> s/my/by/
[10:24] <mpt> jbailey: around it like a cat?
[10:24] <mpt> sivang: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaunchpadIntegration?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=app-help-menu.jpg
[10:24] <jbailey> mpt: I am a vegan, I do not consume cat.
[10:24] <bddebian> no comment
[10:24] <mpt> picky
[10:24] <sivang> mpt: LOLOLO
[10:25] <wasabi_> root=/dev/mapper/vg0-root works
[10:30] <wasabi_> hmm kernels are still being built with gcc 3.4?
[10:30] <bddebian> Yes
[10:35] <eruin> seems acpi-support just started depending on radeontool from universe...?
[10:38] <Riddell> seb128: any news on splitting gstreamer-misc?
[10:40] <seb128> Riddell: I'll ping lool again, but that's really short from 5.10
[10:40] <sivang> mpt: well, given that, jameh's was actually the one who implemented the layout eventually, and I was sure he was following the spec :-/
[10:40] <sivang> mpt: sorry for not noting that early enough
[10:43] <Seveas> mdz, just wanted to know whether you have more comments about my bug-triaging, I really appreciate all the guidance so far
[10:45] <sivang> jbailey, mpt : in hebrew you say "sit on a beer" , and it's understood as sit around a beer :)
[10:45] <mdz> Seveas: I haven't finished ubuntu-bugs yet today, but none so far. thanks for your help.
[10:45] <sivang> tht's why I was consuded
[10:45] <sivang> err, confused.
[10:45] <ogra> "It seems that I can no longer activate the bug." i love my bug reporters :)
[10:45] <Seveas> :)
[10:46] <ogra> *g*
[10:47] <jbailey> I want molly guards for my activate bug buttons.
[10:48] <gilligan_> hm.. is there a fix for the conflict between libmp4 and libmp4v2-0  ? breaks during unpack trying to overwrite  /usr/lib/libmp4v2.so.0.0.0 which is also in libmp4-0 .. ?
BUG ACTIVATED, PLEASE STAND CLEAR</blink>
[10:48] <Seveas> mpt, add that to malone and I'll kill you :p
[10:49] <mpt> Seveas: It'll serve you right for using a browser that supports <blink>
[10:49] <jdub> mpt: s/STAND CLEAR/WATCH YOUR FEET/
[10:49] <sivang> Seveas: what will the activate button will do/ :)
[10:49] <tseng> mpt: put that in the malone stylesheet plzkthx
[10:52] <mvo> mdz: permission to upload http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2766
[10:53] <gilligan_> hrm.. that conflicting package is from marillat
[11:14] <lamont__> gilligan_: if you're mixing repositories, you're on your own
[11:15] <lamont__> (that is, not supported... and it's a #ubuntu question, to boot)
[11:15] <gilligan_> yes and yes.. problem solved anyways - sorry
[11:16] <lamont__> np
[11:16] <wasabi_> uh oh.
[11:17] <wasabi_> vmware breaks on 2.6.12-9
[11:17] <gilligan_> lamont__: just checked again tho - if i am not completely mistaken the packages in question are all from official repositories -- not using any others currently
[11:20] <lamont__> gilligan_: only archive.ubuntu.com?
[11:21] <gilligan_> lamont__: right
[11:21] <lamont__> sounds like time to visit bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[11:21] <gilligan_> libmp4v2-0 and libmp4-0
[11:22] <gilligan_> first being from multiverse
[11:24] <lamont__> so are smartdimmer and radeon tool supposed to be propogating from universe to main?>
[11:24] <sivang> ah, finally
[11:25] <sivang> irssi proxy rocks
[11:25] <lamont__> sivang: you mean that's your fault, or somethign unrelated to my livecd woes?
[11:25] <ajmitch> morning
[11:25] <sivang> lamont__: huh ?
[11:25] <lamont__> sivang: just the timing of your comment... nm
[11:25] <sivang> lamont__: lol
[11:25] <sivang> lamont__: I guess that was my fault , then.
[11:26] <lamont__> mjg59: what have you done to my livecd builds?  damn propogating crap...
[11:27] <mdke> seb128, ping?
[11:28] <mjg59> lamont: Mm?
[11:29] <mdke> seb128, unping
[11:30] <seb128> mdke: unpong
[11:32] <mdke> :)
[11:40] <os2mac> any of the laptop team folks around.
[11:41] <jdong> building my own kernel... why shouldn't I compile it with GCC4?
[11:41] <jdong> (or rather why's it compiled with GCC 3.x)
[11:41] <ogra> jdong, make it compile with 4 :)
[11:42] <os2mac> I have some questions/comments about the Dell Inspiron 8600 and Breezy that I would like to share with the Laptop team.
[11:42] <os2mac> anyone around?
[11:42] <jdong> ogra: u sure that's a good idea?
[11:42] <jdong> os2mac: if it involves vbetool I was smacked down :)
[11:42] <jdong> lol
[11:42] <ogra> jdong, it doesnt compile afaik....
[11:42] <jdong> oh?
[11:42] <os2mac> it doesn't
[11:43] <os2mac> i was going to comment on how well it runs out of the box for my Inspiron 8600....
[11:43] <mjg59> os2mac: ?
[11:43] <os2mac> accept for the for wlan0
[11:43] <mjg59> os2mac: Yeah, I'm interested to hear
[11:43] <jdong> ogra: does "make deb" automagically work?
[11:43] <jdong> ogra: or am I a lazy bum
[11:43] <ogra> jdong, you dont use make deb with kernels ;) have a look at make-kpkg
[11:44] <os2mac> so I was going to ask if you had any idea of ndiswrapper was going to be included by default on the next release.
[11:44] <mjg59> os2mac: It's included by default
[11:44] <os2mac> really?
[11:44] <mjg59> Yes
[11:44] <jdong> ogra: k, thanks.... any pointers on CONFIG_HZ?
[11:44] <mjg59> ndiswrapper is in the kernel and ndiswrapper-utils is on the CD
[11:44] <os2mac> I have had to download it, (at lease on the live version)
[11:44] <mjg59> I've no idea about the live version
[11:45] <ogra> jdong, no idea i havent compiled a kernel since i use ubuntu... o need for that
[11:45] <ogra> *no
[11:45] <jdong> lol, good one :)
[11:45] <jdong> kernel devs care to explain what happened to dm_bbr?
[11:45] <os2mac> question? is it included as a package or installed.
[11:48] <os2mac> MJG:?
[11:48] <mjg59> os2mac: Which? ndiswrapper-utils is included as a package on the install CD and is copied to the hard drive, but isn't actually installed
[11:49] <os2mac> ahhh I see.
[11:51] <os2mac> I am using the Dell wlan nic... the actuall chipset is Broadcom (the bcmwl5 driver) do you know if the broadcom linux driver is installed?
[11:52] <jdong> ogra: does kernel-package do initramfs?
[11:53] <ogra> jdong, nope, thats initramfs-tools
[11:53] <jdong> ogra: so I have to manually mkinitramfs, right?
[11:53] <ogra> nope...
[11:53] <jdong> ogra: it ain't the automagic linux-image*'s, is it?
[11:53] <ogra> its done by the linux-image package
[11:54] <ogra> you can do mkinitramfs too indeed
[11:54] <jdong> k
[11:54] <jbailey> ogra: hmm?
[11:54] <ogra> jbailey, you cant ?
[11:54] <jdong> ogra: I'm just aiming to build my own kernel; newest Linus tree with some performance patches....
[11:55] <jdong> ogra: don't wanna lose too much Ubuntu Just Works-ness
[11:55] <jdong> lol
[11:55] <jbailey> ogra: No, just checking to see what you need.
[11:55] <jbailey> ogra: Wondering if you're talking about the nfs bug. =)
[11:55] <ogra> jbailey, nope, helping jdong
[11:55] <jdong> so if I don't use initramfs/mkinitramfs on this custom kernel, usplash will hate me, right?
[11:56] <jbailey> 'k =)
[11:56] <ogra> jdong, yup
[11:57] <dholbach> brb
[11:57] <jdong> ogra: so make-kpkg will just put the vmlinuz and modules in a deb package... everything else (initramfs generation) is up to me?
[11:57] <carstenh> jbailey: ping
[11:57] <jdong> ogra: most of the docs I've found are old-fashioned Debian-ness
[11:57] <jbailey> Carsten!
[11:57] <jbailey> carstenh: How's thing?
[11:58] <ogra> jdong, not sure i didnt build a kernel since pre ubuntu time as i said... it used to work like that, yes
[11:58] <jdong> ogra: ok, thanks... then I also presume these will keep Debian-style kernel names instead of linux-*
[11:59] <ogra> jdong, i guess its patched for ubuntu... but thats only a guess
[11:59] <jdong> hmm
[12:00] <jdong> jbailey: you seem to have done work on kernel-package... can you shed some light on (1) initramfs and (2) naming?
[12:00] <jbailey> I'm reasonably familiar with initramfs-tools.
[12:00] <jbailey> I have only light exposure to kernel-package.
[12:00] <jbailey> What do you need?
[12:01] <jdong> jbailey:  	kernel-package 	 (9.001ubuntu2) 	breezy; 	urgency=low      * Use initramfs-tools instead of initrd-tools.  -- Jeff Bailey<EMAIL_ADDRESS>10 Aug 2005 04:57:37 -0400
[12:01] <jdong> explain....
[12:01] <jdong> so does the --initrd flag now do initramfs
[12:01] <jdong> or is there an entirely new option


[00:22] <gchristensen> Hi, does cloud-init support formatting drives?
[00:23] <ikonia> I'd be surprised if there isn't a module for it
[00:23] <ikonia> but I've never seen it
[00:26] <gchristensen> https://github.com/number5/cloud-init/blob/master/doc/examples/cloud-config-disk-setup.txt#L8-L18 humm
[00:27] <gchristensen> this seems too common of a task for cloud-init to not be implemented, but who knows. I'll do digging
[06:02] <sandGorgon> hi guys - what is the recommended  docker storage backend for ubuntu  ? I'm not able to figure out whether I should use devicemapper, aufs, etc ?
[06:38] <p4rtiz4n> hey guys
[06:39] <p4rtiz4n> who could give me a hand? :/
[06:40] <p4rtiz4n> its not gonna be about software but hardware instead, id like to discuss this PM, anybody could help me?
[06:41] <p4rtiz4n> list
[09:40] <lordievader> Good morning.
[20:57] <Walex2> sarnold: Docker seems to work well with BTRFS
[23:19] <lmw> hi
[23:20] <lmw> what is the difference of ubuntu server vs debian in server environments?
[23:23] <rww> not much. mostly the same difference between Ubuntu and Debian in general: more up to date packages sometimes, support from Ubuntu people instead of Debian people, etc.
[23:23] <rww> we run mixed Debian and Ubuntu servers at work, 99% of the time they function identically
[23:24] <rww> (we're transitioning from one to the other for non-technical reasons)
[23:32] <lmw> ok, thank you, rww


[14:19] <RichEd> hi stgraber
[14:19] <RichEd> did you sort out the italc problem ... saw a comment from you yesterday
[17:15] <stgraber> RichEd: nope, not really ... I found a way to workaround it but there still seems to be some arch specific bugs
[17:16] <stgraber> I'll try on i386 hardy and see if I have the same weird bugs (basically the daemon not listening on some computers but listening on some others ...)
[17:26] <ogra1> stgraber, i'll do some extensive testing after the sprint (next week)
[17:35] <stgraber> ogra1: ok, the main problem was that iTalc (master interface) wasn't able to connect on a different port than 5900 which is a problem as we have a different port for each client
[17:35] <stgraber> ogra1: my current iTalc can connect on another port by specifying the host in an environment variable
[17:35] <ogra1> ugh
[17:35] <ogra1> really ?
[17:35] <stgraber> and it seems to work (tm)
[17:35] <ogra1> yeah, but thats a horrible design
[17:35] <ogra1> anyway, if it works ... *shrug*
[17:36] <stgraber> but then I have that weird port problem ...
[17:36] <stgraber> that part work, but then it's unable to connect to its local VNC server because the daemon (ica) isn't listening for some weird reason
[17:37] <stgraber> so that's really really weird and the code is far from easy to understand ... (spent 2-3 hours just to figure out where was the hardcoded port and how it worked)
[23:09] <jared> whats the difference between ubuntu and edubuntu?
[23:10] <johnny> extra packages
[23:10] <jared> ohk
[23:10] <johnny> and makes it slightly easier to setup ltsp
[23:10] <jared> does it use KDE or GNOME?
[23:13] <johnny> gnome
[23:13] <johnny> some kde apps for education tho
[23:13] <jared> kk


[00:04] <wgrant> WJB: Ubuntu 11.10 hasn't been supported since April 2013.
[00:06] <WJB> sorry support is not the same as me just asking if anyone has just asking sorry?
[00:07] <WJB> cant get the arm working with flash just wondering if someone ever had?
[00:15] <wgrant> WJB: You'll need to ask Linaro, this is the support channel for launchpad.net. But apt-get update is probably erroring because that version is out of support.


[18:14] <theblazehen> Hi all
[18:15] <theblazehen> So I'm live migrating my quassel core. Lets see how well that works
[18:17] <theblazehen> Heh. Latency seems a little high
[18:24] <superfly> Live migrating?
[18:24] <theblazehen> Yeah, lxd + criu :)
[18:25] <theblazehen> Pity I need to squeeze it over a single USB2 that shares the external HDD where the container was / is (still migrating) and a gigabit ethernet usb adapter...
[18:26] <theblazehen> Onboard nic is 100 mbit
[18:26] <theblazehen> Usb seems to burst up to 166 or so, obviously can't sustain that, wouldn't be reading from hdd at that _exact_ time
[18:27] <theblazehen> And not sure how exactly to bond them
[18:27] <theblazehen> Since onboard goes to a bridge which my router is attached to
[18:28] <theblazehen> I had it go onboard -> router -> bridge which all the other containers and the host used
[18:28] <theblazehen> Oh yeah, my router is a VM
[18:28] <theblazehen> Simpler to give the onboard to the router, and USB to everything else
[18:28] <theblazehen> And latency increases to 8 seconds...
[18:29] <theblazehen> And back down
[18:31] <theblazehen> Hmm
[18:33] <theblazehen> I wonder how feasible it would be to live migrate my router... since there isn't too much lan traffic (just broadcasts, migration traffic won't go through it) going through it I should be able to
[18:37] <theblazehen> I need more (physical) hardware...
[18:38] <theblazehen> Locally I just have the laptop which I run my router + apt / yum / arch cache + backups + (was quassel) on, server which I run most other things on, my destop (physically) which I run my desktop (Software) and brothers gaming pc on which only shares 32 GB RAM, and my laptop
[18:38] <theblazehen> And the box I use for an iscsi target for my server but that doesn't really count
[19:30] <nsnzero> good evening all
[20:58] <Kilos> see im alive
[20:58] <Kilos> will hear from prof tomorrow what the next step is
[20:58] <Kilos> helloooo everyone
[21:02] <Kilos> and now i need to sleep so you all have a good one as well. see you sometime tomorrow
[22:37] <smile4ever> good night!


[07:26] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1275584] Kubuntu 14.04 Kickoff Font Look Ugly / Jerky @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1275584 (by j2snowden)
[09:15] <shadeslayer> good morning :)
[10:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: mind verifying https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeconnect/+bug/1319365
[10:10] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I have no device
[10:11] <shadeslayer> :O
[10:11] <shadeslayer> what is this, the 90'w
[10:11] <shadeslayer> *90's
[10:12] <apachelogger> I might as well have a 90's phone because those are just as good at doing phone things
[10:28] <shadeslayer> yofel: mind verifying 1319365
[10:29] <yofel> lp 1319365
[10:29] <yofel> not installed on my work notebook, but I guess I can try it out later
[10:31] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:31] <shadeslayer> yofel: cool
[11:35] <apachelogger> yofel: did you ever get anywhere with the shared git for kubuntu and debian thing?
[11:36] <yofel> no
[13:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: ping
[13:42] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1323274] Restore Debian's init.d script for insserv compatibility @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1323274 (by Martin Pitt)
[14:04]  * shadeslayer reviews apachelogger's policy changes
[14:43] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1323274] Restore Debian's init.d script for insserv compatibility @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1323274 (by Martin Pitt)
[14:56] <shadeslayer> ScottK: bug 1323315 plz
[15:45] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1323274] Restore Debian's init.d script for insserv compatibility @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1323274 (by Martin Pitt)
[16:48] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1323274] Restore Debian's init.d script for insserv compatibility @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1323274 (by Martin Pitt)
[18:23] <santa_> yofel: ping?
[18:50] <santa_> I would like to requuest the merging of this branch https://code.launchpad.net/~panfaust/+junk/ktexteditor-work
[18:50] <santa_> into this one https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/ktexteditor
[18:51] <santa_> however the web interface of launchpad apparently doesn't allow me to do that
[18:51] <santa_> any idea? I would like to get some small changes here and there in the kubuntu kf5/plasma-next packaging
[18:53] <ScottK> santa_: Wouldn't it be a better idea to use dh_link in any case?
[18:56] <santa_> ScottK: maybe, I didn't write that /rules, let me check
[18:59] <santa_> ScottK: reading the fabulous manual I'm not sure
[19:00] <ScottK> As a general rule it's better to use that than do symlinks by hand.
[19:00] <santa_> yeah
[19:01] <santa_> thing is, the original file is provided by kate-data (from kde 4), so I'm not sure if dh_link would work fine here
[19:01] <santa_> also, if creating that link is ok
[19:01] <santa_> the -data package should depend on the old kate-data, shouldn't it?
[19:02] <ScottK> Not sure.
[19:04] <ScottK> Also, rather than ignoring the error, probably better to separate the override into a  override-dh_install-indep
[19:04] <ScottK> Then the linking only happens on the arch all.
[19:05] <santa_> that seems more correct, yes
[19:06] <santa_> I tought it would be more difficult to do it only in indep
[19:21] <ScottK> I'd say since we're just starting out with KF5, better to do it right.
[19:26] <santa_> ScottK: ok. another thing, could you give me a sources.list of the chroot where I should build the packages for kubuntu?
[19:26] <ScottK> It's the standard one for Ubuntu.
[19:27] <santa_> ScottK: + the kf5 ppa?
[19:27] <ScottK> Presumably, but I haven't been much involved in that part.
[19:28] <santa_> ok
[20:40] <santa_> ScottK: I have also some unmature plasma-workspace work, it would be a pity to not share this effort with kubuntu, how could I get my code in?
[20:40] <ScottK> Make a bzr branch and ask for a merge here is probably best.
[20:42] <santa_> ok, will do
[20:43] <santa_> I have to warn it's still too unmature XD
[22:09] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1323274] Restore Debian's init.d script for insserv compatibility @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1323274 (by Martin Pitt)
[22:57] <ScottK> shadeslayer: I accepted usb-creator to get it building, but it still needs test case, etc SRU stuff in the bug.
[22:58] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Nevermind
[23:14] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1323274] Restore Debian's init.d script for insserv compatibility @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1323274 (by Martin Pitt)