[04:35] <OerHeks> nom nom nom
[04:36] <daftykins> \o
[04:36] <OerHeks> just got a cookie, don t touch  !!
[04:36] <Bashing-om> Just an acknowledgement of " hard to find indeed " . Someone should show some appreciation for all your efforts :P
[04:37] <OerHeks> Thank you Bashing-om :-)
[04:55] <daftykins> progress with the phone systems guys!
[04:55] <daftykins> i got the proper model voice gateway today and now have incoming calls and outgoing calls working
[04:59] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:59] <daftykins> hello!
[05:00] <lotuspsychje> hey there daftykins
[05:00] <lotuspsychje> all ok?
[05:00] <OerHeks> hi lotus
[05:00] <lotuspsychje> hey OerHeks :p
[05:00] <Bashing-om> Picture of " mad scientist" taking over the island pops up  .
[05:00] <daftykins> yeah not too shabby thanks, been working on my phone system today :D
[05:01] <lotuspsychje> and hi Bashing-om
[05:01] <lotuspsychje> full house here lol
[05:01] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Is back .. means a good day for lotuspsychje ! ( any day that starts here can not be all bad )
[05:02] <OerHeks> Oh it is going to get better today ...
[05:02] <lotuspsychje> lol, 4 days off yihaaa
[05:02] <OerHeks> Vault7 release https://twitter.com/wikileaks
[05:02] <Bashing-om> this I gots to read !
[05:03] <lotuspsychje> me 2
[05:03] <OerHeks> "YearZero in political terms means event so big that u have a complete reset."
[05:03] <OerHeks> :-D
[05:03] <OerHeks> maybe there is no more internet tomorrow ..
[05:04] <lotuspsychje> lolll
[05:05] <lotuspsychje> downloading 500mb year zero
[05:05] <lotuspsychje> lets c whats inside
[05:07] <OerHeks> crack it for us please .. otherwise we must wait untill 9.00 am .. whenever that is
[05:08] <lotuspsychje> oh its encrypted
[05:18] <lotuspsychje> yep needs a pass with 7z
[05:20] <lotuspsychje> http://heavy.com/news/2017/03/what-is-wikileaks-vault-7-photos-clues-theories/
[05:35] <OerHeks> #wikileaks & #vault7 go bonkers, but do not appear in the top 10
[05:36] <daftykins> o0
[05:40] <daftykins> aaah i'm really pleased with this phone setup :)
[05:41] <daftykins> once it's some sane day time hours i can call someone to test it out better :D
[06:15] <Bashing-om> Eyes are crossing - gotta cease and desist, G nite .
[06:55] <ducasse> morning
[06:56] <daftykins> hi sir \o
[06:56] <daftykins> just about to stroll down to the cafe that does an english breakfast :> back shortly
[06:57] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse
[07:02] <ducasse> morning lotuspsychje, work today?
[07:04] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: 4 days off mate :p
[07:05] <ducasse> good for you :) what are you spending them on?
[07:07] <lotuspsychje> a bit working around the house
[07:09] <ducasse> sounds like a plan. i'm rearranging some furniture today, other than that no big plans.
[07:10] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: always good to have a fresh angle in house
[07:12] <ducasse> i want to put the tb somewhere different, now that spring/summer is coming. i get glare on the screen from light through the windows, which is annoying.
[07:12] <ducasse> *tv
[07:17] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: we bought some rolling curtains aswell
[07:18] <lotuspsychje> to block sunlight
[07:21] <lotuspsychje> and windows are always annoying lol
[07:22] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/03/gnome-recipes-app-now-available-install-ubuntu-17-04
[07:25] <lotuspsychje> bbl breakfast
[07:46] <daftykins> mmmm fry-up :D
[07:46] <daftykins> that wasn't too bad for £6 odd
[07:47] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/iuhpmzhjj91orxo/IMG_20170307_060018.jpg?dl=0
[07:47] <ducasse> sounds tempting :)
[07:48] <daftykins> ducasse: got my fancy voice gateway device :>
[07:48] <daftykins> can see it there on top of my switch... now i've got my landline phone # all hooked up to voicemail from FreePBX etc
[07:48] <daftykins> can call out over it from a soft phone on android/Windows
[07:50] <ducasse> nice :) i was thinking of playing with something like that myself, but i have so little need for phone at all. how much did the gateway cost?
[07:50] <daftykins> £35 on ebay
[07:51] <daftykins> yeah, i would normally be the same - but as my internet connection is VDSL2 i'm forced to have the line
[07:51] <daftykins> for my business cards i'd find it more professional to show a landline # than just a mobile, in a way
[07:53] <daftykins> http://imgur.com/a/yxf7L
[07:53] <daftykins> slowly brightening up :)
[07:54] <ducasse> maybe you're right. my isp offers voip, maybe i'll take them up on it :)
[07:55] <daftykins> that's the thing, out of the picture there i've got a handset plugged into the Linksys gateway now too, which can either SIP call or call out over the PSTN line
[07:56] <ducasse> regular landlines are dead to me :)
[07:56] <daftykins> i could either VPN into home when away, or open ports on the router and have myself the ability to call out over the 'net from anywhere in the world at local prices :D
[07:59] <lotuspsychje> hi pp_cz
[07:59] <ducasse> daftykins: that's really nice, if you are away from home a lot.
[08:00] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: wow at your cables lol
[08:00] <pp_cz> hello there, lotuspsychje
[08:00] <daftykins> ducasse: i just kinda did this as a test, if i could get site-to-site working then it'd be neat to say to my client "hey, how about you have one phone in the Spain place and one in Guernsey, then you can call for free!"
[08:00] <lotuspsychje> pp_cz: welcome in our discuss room
[08:00] <daftykins> lotuspsychje: :D 6 down to the lounge alone :)
[08:01] <pp_cz> lotuspsychje, thank you
[08:02] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: got a password yet?
[08:04] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: if you think those cables are messy, you should see mine ;)
[08:04] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: lol
[08:05] <daftykins> :D
[08:05] <daftykins> wasn't too long ago i bought that table to tidy it up ;)
[08:05] <daftykins> it was on the floor before...
[08:05] <lotuspsychje> hi BobbyJr
[08:05] <BobbyJr> Hello
[08:06] <lotuspsychje> !info firefox
[08:06] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/firefox-52-0-released-as-esr-branch-will-receive-security-updates-until-2018-513620.shtml
[08:07] <daftykins> still on 51.0.1 here in Windows land, so it might be early yet :>
[08:07] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[08:10] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:11] <daftykins> hey \o
[08:12] <lotuspsychje> hey there lordievader
[08:13] <lordievader> Hey daftykins and lotuspsychje
[08:13] <lordievader> How are you two?
[08:13] <lotuspsychje> great here tnx
[08:14] <daftykins> good cheers yep :) and you?
[08:15] <lordievader> Coffee is in the making ;)
[08:15] <daftykins> that's what i like to hear!
[08:16] <lotuspsychje> with a piece of fudge :p
[08:16] <daftykins> :D
[08:16] <daftykins> lotuspsychje: you must be all out by now? :)
[08:16] <lotuspsychje> yep im broke :p
[08:16] <daftykins> d'aww
[08:21] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: you don't have fudge in .be? ;)
[08:21] <daftykins> i was shocked when he said he'd never had any, made me post him a Guernsey sample immediately!
[08:23] <ducasse> i see :) so, all they have is chocolate?
[08:23] <lordievader> Chocolate and beer, what more do you want?
[08:23]  * lordievader slides everyone a cup of coffee
[08:24] <lotuspsychje> belgium is all chocolats and wafles indeed
[08:24] <ducasse> well, lotus obviously wants fudge :)
[08:24] <daftykins> ooh ty \o/
[08:24]  * daftykins handles the steaming mug with a Tux oven glove
[08:24] <lotuspsychje> lol
[08:26] <daftykins> i'm kidding... i wish i had a Tux oven glove
[08:30] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: think most ppl need this one lol : http://media.techeblog.com/images/facebook_like_button.jpg
[08:31] <ducasse> that's just perverse
[08:31] <lotuspsychje> haha
[08:31] <daftykins> :D
[08:31] <daftykins> hey it's double-featured too, as you can simply rotate it 180 degrees when your meal is terrible
[08:32] <lotuspsychje> lol
[08:37] <lotuspsychje> bbl guys have a nice one
[08:38] <daftykins> i'm just gonna put this link here... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kvT40umKL8
[08:38] <lordievader> O god, that is just torment.
[08:41] <ducasse> yeah, that was *bound* to work well!
[08:43] <daftykins> you say that, but there are volunteers who kept insisting such an age machine was still fine for use
[08:43] <daftykins> even with 512MB RAM that would be the same painful venture :)
[08:44] <ducasse> expecting to run videos from youtube on such an old machine is idiocy.
[08:50] <daftykins> i think even having the OS on is mad :D
[08:51] <ducasse> if it's 17 years old, absolutely.
[08:53] <daftykins> https://youtu.be/Cb-srOfRqNc wow this is bad
[08:55] <ducasse> hilarious!
[08:57] <ducasse> so many artifacts, great for epileptics...
[09:00] <daftykins> blows my mind that they're trying to claim dead or stuck pixels are normal and that users can't return them
[09:02] <ducasse> what?! that's insane, can they even get away with that under law?
[09:02] <ducasse> just got there...
[09:02] <daftykins> sure hope not
[09:02] <daftykins> after enough people get it and make a fuss, they'll change their minds i'm sure
[09:02] <daftykins> apparently they did the same with the 3DS
[09:08] <ducasse> i wasn't getting one before but i'm _definitely_ not getting one now.
[09:08] <daftykins> *nod*
[09:09] <ducasse> when a company goes straight out and says they're screwing customers, i kind of lose interest...
[09:17] <ducasse> btw daftykins, what kind of gateway did you get, exactly? would be good to know what to look for if i suddenly decide i need voip.
[09:21] <daftykins> Linksys SPA3102 - but i only required that model for the PSTN line socket for my real landline
[09:22] <daftykins> if you wanted an ATA which lets you plug normal handsets into a box and turns them into SIP phones, the first one i got would be more appropriate - that's a Linksys PAP2T
[09:22] <daftykins> picked that up for £14 on ebay :>
[09:25] <ducasse> that's pretty cheap :) i'll have to think about what makes most sense, a physical landline is most likely something i don't need.
[09:28] <ducasse> are you familiar with the older thinkpads? t420 etc?
[09:34] <daftykins> nah never looked into them
[09:34] <daftykins> i know a guy who's not awake right now but who knows a lot about them though
[09:35] <ducasse> i remember someone mentioning they were good, stable linux machines, and i can get one pretty cheap.
[09:35] <daftykins> yeah, does seem to be a lot of folks' opinions, probably depends on model for the most part
[09:36] <daftykins> are you thinking of doing more stuff on the go, or just prefer laptops?
[09:37] <ducasse> the laptop i have now is a pos, and i need _something_ for bringing with me when i'm out. i've started helping a local charity with it stuff, and need a machine of my own for tracking down issues etc.
[09:38] <daftykins> ah very good
[12:22] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:45] <lotuspsychje> good afternoon to all
[12:45] <daftykins> wb \o
[12:45] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: still playing with the voip :p
[12:46] <daftykins> nah :D been all solidly working since this morning!
[12:46] <daftykins> other than making an amusing voicemail message i think i'm set
[12:46] <lotuspsychje> nice nice
[12:46] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: now you can do some business support calls free?
[12:47] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: or you have another purpose?
[12:47] <daftykins> well nah it's only set up with my landline right now so that would cost clients to call, but if i did set things up for remote access then i could almost install a red SIP phone at a clients and call it their batphone!
[12:47] <daftykins> only it'd be to me and not Batman ;D
[12:48] <lotuspsychje> lol
[12:48] <ducasse> daftykins: get a batsuit ;)
[12:48] <lotuspsychje> jingle bells, batman smells
[12:48] <lotuspsychje> robin lays an egg
[12:49] <daftykins> i think Mischief already has one on!
[12:49] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: !!! got a passphrase yet?
[12:51] <daftykins> secret? :O
[12:51] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks pointed us to the nex vault7 wikileaks file
[12:52] <lotuspsychje> *new
[12:52] <daftykins> oh yessss
[12:52] <lotuspsychje> but its encrypted
[12:58] <lotuspsychje> !zesty
[12:59] <daftykins> and so comes the end of the alphabet
[13:00] <lotuspsychje> new lts to bug out heavyly
[13:00] <lotuspsychje> one month to go
[13:00] <daftykins> hmm? no LTS 'til 18.04 surely
[13:02] <lotuspsychje> oh right
[13:03] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: can you still join #ubuntu+1 ?
[13:03] <daftykins> think so
[13:17] <lotuspsychje> i got in guys
[13:18] <lotuspsychje> passphrase= SplinterItIntoAThousandPiecesAndScatterItIntoTheWinds
[13:18] <lotuspsychje> https://twitter.com/wikileaks
[13:20] <lotuspsychje> now lets c whats inside OerHeks :p
[13:20] <daftykins> it's Drabber chasing a lady dog
[13:20] <daftykins> 8D
[13:21] <lotuspsychje> lol
[13:25] <lotuspsychje> looks like a huge fbi/cia exploit database
[13:28] <daftykins> time for me to head off, later all \o
[13:29] <lotuspsychje> laters mate
[14:12] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: check this out: https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/#PRESS
[14:13] <EriC^^> checking
[14:14] <EriC^^> hmm firefox won't open nor chrome wth
[14:14] <EriC^^> i hope i didn't mess the pc up, i was trying something out
[14:14] <EriC^^> let me reboot
[14:15] <ducasse> EriC^^: you've been pwned by the nsa! ;)
[14:15] <lotuspsychje> lolll
[14:15] <lotuspsychje> nsa skype is old news ducasse :p
[14:16] <lotuspsychje> prism rip, vault7 born
[14:24] <lotuspsychje> wb
[14:24] <EriC^^> all good now
[14:24] <EriC^^> thanks
[14:24] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: join the squoo.sh
[14:24] <EriC^^> what's the link again? it's not showing in the logs above even
[14:24] <EriC^^> (had to run fsck to fix the install)
[14:25] <lotuspsychje> check your invite
[14:28] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/#PRESS
[14:37] <EriC^^> lotuspsychje: what's the link again?
[14:38] <ducasse>  https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/#PRESS
[14:38] <EriC^^> ducasse: thanks
[14:40] <EriC^^> damn, we have a samsung tv
[14:41] <EriC^^> so we should be expecting a flood of 0day patches now eh? :D
[14:41] <ducasse> mine has no smart crap, and if i ever get one that does it will never be connected to a network...
[14:42] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: crazy isnt it?
[14:42] <EriC^^> lotuspsychje: yeah it is
[14:43] <EriC^^> it's not shocking though, pretty expected they'd have all that stuff
[14:44] <lotuspsychje> i think after PRISM, its rather big reveal
[14:44] <ducasse> _that's_ what's shocking, that this is expected and doesn't upset people. c'mon, this is _insane_!
[14:46] <EriC^^> heh they have a bunch of stuff about uefi
[14:47] <EriC^^> maybe some day we'll wake up in a cell with lights
[14:47] <EriC^^> and the guys from here are there, and they're like 'can you get our uefi install working?'
[14:47] <ducasse> or in a pod full of embryonic fluid, connected to cables ;)
[14:48] <EriC^^> we should decide from now on a word we'll say before we head for the door together
[14:48] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: checkout that HIVE technique, about linux
[14:48] <lotuspsychje> https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/cms/files/UsersGuide.pdf
[14:49] <EriC^^> ducasse: it is insane, and unethical, but it's the cia, if they did the iran 0day virus thing sure they'd have stuff like this going on
[14:50] <EriC^^> the scary part is what else do they have, this is the tip of the iceberg i'd think
[14:50] <EriC^^> this is basically just stuff some hackers were able to get and has been circulating in the black market for a while, they probably have insane stuff somewhere very hard to get access to
[14:50] <ducasse> also, this is the cia, not the nsa.
[14:50] <EriC^^> holy uefi heaven
[14:51] <lotuspsychje> lol
[14:51] <EriC^^> https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/cms/files/UEFI%202_5.pdf
[14:51] <EriC^^> 2600 page pdf
[14:51] <lotuspsychje> that will take some time to read oO
[14:52] <EriC^^> they've hacked the shit out of uefi
[14:52] <EriC^^> flash unlocks and payloads to the firmware and some crazy ass stuff
[14:53] <EriC^^> xD
[14:53] <EriC^^> yeah i saw the size and thought "i didn't really like uefi THAT much really"
[14:53] <EriC^^> haha
[14:53] <lotuspsychje> lol
[14:54] <EriC^^> anyways this is good for the general public, lots of cool stuff might come out of these
[14:54] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: keep refreshing their twitter, its insane
[14:54] <EriC^^> that guy from wikileaks has some balls
[14:54] <lotuspsychje> zero day flaws on android and IOs
[14:55] <EriC^^> i think he was last in some embassy living like 3 years inside it cause they want him so badly
[14:55] <lotuspsychje> its payback time for him
[14:55] <ducasse> nicaraguan one in london, i think.
[14:55] <lotuspsychje> snowden still in russia
[14:56] <EriC^^> lol, at least they have a sense of humor about it https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/cms/page_21561431.html
[14:56] <EriC^^> or is that a wikileaks under construction picture?
[14:58] <ducasse> hehe, trump is going to go crazy over this leak :)
[15:00] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: lol
[15:02] <ducasse> it will be interesting to see just how many press outfits will dare to take this on.
[15:02] <lotuspsychje> this is world news ducasse
[15:03] <lotuspsychje> by tomorrow, the whole net will have articles
[15:04] <ducasse> i know, but for how long will there be interest?
[15:06] <ducasse> maybe i'm too pessimistic. i just wonder if the general public will care much, and if big media will push down their throats why they absolutely should.
[15:07] <lotuspsychje> its got too big to ignore
[15:07] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: but im sure many ppl will not care even
[15:07] <ducasse> snowden was too big to ignore, but the vast majority of people did.
[15:07] <lotuspsychje> true
[15:08] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: but then, all those who do care, is an improvement for humanity
[15:09] <lotuspsychje> the other 75% still sleeping on their smartphones :p
[15:10] <ducasse> http://www.moviefanatic.com/quotes/wanting-people-to-listen-you-cant-just-tap-them-on-the-shoulder/
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> lol
[15:11] <ducasse> in my opinion snowden was that sledgehammer, but it seems not.
[15:11] <EriC^^> lotuspsychje: hive is a trojan?
[15:12] <ducasse> looks like an exploit platform or something
[15:12] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: think its like a centralized app yeah
[15:12] <lotuspsychje> something like metasploit
[15:13] <lotuspsychje> the whole vault has tons of techniques
[15:15] <ducasse> "yeah, guys, _of course_ you need all this to fight terr'ism"
[15:15] <EriC^^> i love how their tutorials and how-to's are so concise and to the point
[15:16] <EriC^^> looking at this one under "linux" https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/cms/page_16384684.html
[15:18] <lotuspsychje> ssh
[15:19] <lotuspsychje> HIVE is a multi-platform CIA malware suite and its associated control software. The project provides customizable implants for Windows, Solaris, MikroTik (used in internet routers) and Linux platforms and a Listening Post (LP)/Command and Control (C2) infrastructure to communicate with these implants.
[15:22] <Wirehunter> Does it come with Ubuntu by default? :P
[15:23] <lotuspsychje> lol
[15:23] <EriC^^> ubuntu 007-edition
[15:23] <Wirehunter> sudo apt remove hive
[15:24] <lotuspsychje> the ubuntu-hardened guys will have a lot of work again
[15:26] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks will have a lot to read when he comes home
[15:34] <lotuspsychje> cool how that smarttv stuff is handled https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/cms/page_12353643.html
[15:38] <EriC^^> there's using some cool tool for data recovery to show how it's better to securedelete a file i wonder what it is
[15:38] <EriC^^> https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/cms/files/image2015-5-6%2014:40:34.png
[15:39] <lotuspsychje> lets c
[15:39] <EriC^^> "Some say i'm a dreamer, but i am not.."
[15:39] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: under wich category did you find that
[15:40] <EriC^^> their mindset is pretty funny, they think they're doing "cool stuff" and they have every right
[15:41] <ducasse> the us has zero qualms about kidnapping people in sovereign nations, after all, so why care about spying on them?
[15:41] <EriC^^> they say stuff like "while obfuscating stuff, if it's 'too cool for school' then make sure it's been obfuscated and won't be readable by malicious software detectors"
[15:42] <EriC^^> "we're doing cool stuff here, we don't want to get caught on something silly"
[15:42] <EriC^^> lotuspsychje: it was under "forensics"
[15:43] <ducasse> techs often think like that, sadly. common among people who work for spammers etc.
[15:43] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: spying on people, in their eyes is to control and gather powers
[15:45] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: i know, i'm just saying they think they can do as they please because nobody can stand up to them. they're in for a rude awakening in the next ten-twenty years.
[15:46] <lotuspsychje> so true
[15:46] <lotuspsychje> at least the linux guys are comming for them :p
[15:46] <lotuspsychje> hacking the hackers lol
[15:47] <lotuspsychje> brb doing dishes
[15:57] <EriC^^> lotuspsychje: ducasse did you guys see the research mit did on the vibrations from chips bag and such?
[15:57] <ducasse> EriC^^: no?
[15:58] <EriC^^> ducasse: they wrote an algorithm that converts vibrations off of random objects in the room to sound, like in the movie eagle eye, when the supercomputer knows what they're saying from the waves in the coffee cup
[15:58] <EriC^^> it's the same thing, except they did it using a bag of chips, and a plant i think
[15:59] <nacc> that was a while backc, right?
[15:59] <EriC^^> it's pretty freaking crazy, the sound is audible and you can make out what they're saying, anyways it's also been used with keyboards, apparently the key stroke of every key in the laptop is slightly different than the others
[15:59] <EriC^^> yeah i tis
[15:59] <nacc> yeah, it's nuts
[15:59] <EriC^^> so they can use a plant in the room to figure out the password somebody writes on his keyboard from the sound of the keys
[15:59] <ducasse> the keyboard thing i knew about, but not this.
[16:00]  * ducasse is sad now :(
[16:00] <EriC^^> there's also a pretty crazy invention i saw
[16:01] <EriC^^> inner speech usually lets the larynx have tiny movements
[16:01] <EriC^^> so when you usually say something in your head, the larynx actually moves ever so slightly
[16:02] <OerHeks> careful with your hdd-led, too!
[16:02] <EriC^^> they made a band you place around your neck, which can pick up on these muscle movements and it says what you're thinking
[16:02] <EriC^^> it's supposed to be a "hands-free, talking-free" cellphone of the future
[16:02] <EriC^^> lol
[16:02] <nacc> yes, because it's a short-circuit in the brain
[16:03] <EriC^^> like you just say the stuff in your head, and it sends them to whoever you're talking on the phone with
[16:03] <EriC^^> xD
[16:03] <nacc> yeah, the problem is it says stuff you aren't yet saying
[16:03] <nacc> pre-speech :)
[16:03] <EriC^^> "honey are you still at work?" - "shit i have to lie" - "what?" xD
[16:04] <ducasse> that's bound to go down well :)
[16:04] <EriC^^> if they make the receiver super super better
[16:04] <EriC^^> they could possibly make a device that you point at someone, and know what they're saying
[16:05] <EriC^^> that'd be pretty nuts as a spying tool
[16:05] <EriC^^> like mel gibson's movie when he can tell what women are thinking xD
[16:06] <EriC^^> take it to dates with you, and *bam*
[16:06] <nacc> we would have known aobut his anti-Semitism much earlier :)
[16:07] <EriC^^> lol
[16:12] <ducasse> i can't take mel gibson seriously after south park finished with him :)
[16:13] <nacc> ducasse: s/after.*//
[16:13] <ducasse> :)
[16:17] <EriC^^> it just hit me these cia/nsa guys could easily be in freenode, a lot of their material comes from stackoverflow and places like that
[16:18] <EriC^^> https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/cms/page_14588102.html
[16:20] <ducasse> "Handles are being stolen, files are being corrupted, its all good! ... We were trashing data.  It was awesome."
[16:20] <lotuspsychje> articles are starting to spread mainstream https://twitter.com/wikileaks
[16:25] <EriC^^> lol they made a gif for kicks and giggles https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/cms/files/makeitrain.gif
[16:25] <OerHeks> This is all planned, wikileaks = trump
[16:26] <ducasse> "notably absent is any reference to extremists or transnational criminals"
[16:30] <OerHeks> Does anyone of you, opened the file itself?....
[16:30] <OerHeks> time to reinstall :-D
[16:31] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: me
[16:31] <ducasse> i didn't even grab the .torrent :)
[16:31] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: it holds same stuff thats online now
[16:32] <lotuspsychje> html links to browser
[16:53] <lotuspsychje> https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/839154582970335232
[18:22] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: ive read snapd can be installed on 14.04 now, would that let users install libreoffice for 14.04 or latest libreoffice?
[18:22] <ducasse> latest, in theory.
[18:22] <lotuspsychje> that could be interesting right
[18:23] <lotuspsychje> running isolated snaps on an older ubuntu version without ppa conflicts?
[18:23] <OerHeks> that is the beauty of snap
[18:25] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: have you tried searching the snap index for 'test' or 'hello world' snaps?
[18:26] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: no, why?
[18:26] <lotuspsychje> big list already woot
[18:27] <lotuspsychje> lotuspsychje@RooTBooK:~$ snap find libreoffice
[18:27] <lotuspsychje> Name         Version  Developer  Notes  Summary
[18:27] <lotuspsychje> libreoffice  <IP_ADDRESS>  canonical  -      LibreOffice is a powerful office suite including word processing and creation of spreadsheets, slideshows and databases
[18:27] <lotuspsychje> !info libreoffice xenial
[18:27] <lotuspsychje> pretty nice
[18:31] <EriC^^> OerHeks: how often do you have to take the dog to the vet
[18:31] <EriC^^> ?
[18:32] <lotuspsychje> drabber sick?
[18:32] <EriC^^> no i'm wondering about getting a dog
[18:32] <OerHeks> EriC^^, once a year, april prefferably, 1 big cocktail shot any 3 years=€122, and the other years small =€65
[18:33] <OerHeks> and i do his nails myself, else you need to go any 2 months @ €7,50
[18:33] <EriC^^> OerHeks: do you have to do the worm cleaning stuff?
[18:33] <OerHeks> 3 dogs, ²7,50 .. and toe clipper costs €10 :-D
[18:33] <lotuspsychje> and every day doggy walk
[18:34] <OerHeks> EriC^^, yes, besides vet visit, i do flee dups any month, and wurms any 2 months.
[18:34] <EriC^^> oh ok
[18:34] <OerHeks> flee drups = €20 / 4 months, anti wurmy stuff =€15
[18:34] <EriC^^> the flee dups and worms, you can do them from home? like it's a product you buy?
[18:35] <OerHeks> so besides his €8 on food, i pay about  €8 for treatment stuff
[18:35] <OerHeks> yes, local pet shop
[18:35] <EriC^^> oh ok awesome, thanks!
[18:35]  * ducasse is glad to hear drabber is well cared for
[18:36] <OerHeks> but Drabber eats small portions, so a big dog might be more expensive, larger flee drups and such
[18:36] <ducasse> !cookie | OerHeks
[18:36] <EriC^^> just have to sort of convince my grandma still
[18:36] <lotuspsychje> lol
[18:36] <OerHeks> and if you don't give him humanoid cookies, and foood with salt/sugar, you don't need the dentist :-D
[18:37] <EriC^^> it's tricky, she doesn't like dogs but i'm sure if we get a very tiny infant one she'll like him/her
[18:37] <OerHeks> Choose a girl .. much cleaner
[18:38] <ducasse> EriC^^: or get a big rottweiler that will just eat grandma ;)
[18:38] <EriC^^> OerHeks: how so?
[18:38] <OerHeks> only yes, 2x a year she can get puppies
[18:38] <OerHeks> Girls are cleaner, more attention to the owner.
[18:38] <ducasse> is that true for any breed?
[18:39] <OerHeks> oh, if you have horses ..
[18:39] <OerHeks> .. you don get flees :-D
[18:39] <OerHeks> funny factoid, but it is true.
[18:39] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: this something for you? http://img.funnytab.net/gallery/misc/Killer_Dog.jpg
[18:40] <EriC^^> lotuspsychje: lol that's the one
[18:40] <lotuspsychje> hehe
[18:40] <EriC^^> i can sneak him in my jeans pocket til she gets used to the idea
[18:40] <EriC^^> i'll just have to pretend to have a bad cold for a while
[18:40] <OerHeks> ducasse, drabber is not just a dog, he is a helping dog too ( he can break my ptss downs)
[18:40] <OerHeks> so if €80 food is better for him, i would buy it.
[18:41] <ducasse> OerHeks: my point was just that far too many don't care for their dogs at all
[18:42] <OerHeks> EriC^^, about food: check expensive food ingredients against 'cheap' brands, there is almost no difference, just the smell for the owner. dog wants dirty anyway
[18:42] <OerHeks> ducasse, true, most of the times they don't listen to the dog.
[18:42] <EriC^^> i read that dogs are so accustomed to humans, that an infant dog is like a baby human and learns human gestures and stuff, like they are able to get even an eye movement what it means by the owner
[18:43] <EriC^^> pretty nuts that evolution of dogs and human breeding of them changed them in such a short time
[18:43] <OerHeks> EriC^^, true, drabber knows perfectly how to get attention. but he won't fake it.
[18:43] <OerHeks> dogś don't lie
[18:43] <OerHeks> oke, they borrow food from other dogs ...
[18:56] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: careful with CrazyTux/CrazyPenguin, he's notorious for wasting our time by asking the same dumb questions over and over and...
[18:56] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: yeah rings a bell
[18:56] <nacc> indeed
[18:58] <ducasse> told him earlier today that others reported problems with that chipset but i couldn't find a definitive fix, now he's back and "waiting for solution"
[19:04] <lotuspsychje> https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/839187025794301952
[19:04] <lotuspsychje> lol
[19:07] <OerHeks> That is why i keep logs, http://pastebin.com/raw/5fRwumGa
[19:08] <OerHeks> 🎶lonely people
[19:08] <ducasse> ...and now try CrazyPenguin as well...
[19:09] <OerHeks> same person?
[19:10] <ducasse> yep
[19:11] <OerHeks> oh i see, same intel 5500 ..
[19:12] <OerHeks> same skills tell me wikileaks = trump :-D
[19:12]  * OerHeks makes coffee
[19:12]  * ducasse offers OerHeks tea instead, it's late
[19:13] <nacc> still before noon here!
[19:13]  * nacc runs to the kitchen
[19:26] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: you still digging through the stink-pile of docs?
[20:29] <ducasse> OerHeks: geez, that got my pulse up :)
[20:30] <OerHeks> :-D
[20:30] <OerHeks> >> MediocreN, CrazyTux is a daily guest, he is playing with you
[20:31] <ducasse> i saw it. did you see "21:26 <CrazyTux> is Mate better and more advanced than Xubuntu?" ?
[20:32] <ducasse> how many times is he going to ask this, install one desktop, remove another, reinstall a third time and complain that stuff breaks?
[20:33] <OerHeks> intel 5500 .. should work fine. or he is impatient something..
[20:33] <ducasse> either he's trolling, or he is unusually thick. the worst is the constant skipping between channels and repeating questions.
[20:34] <ducasse> he must think we're lying to him.
[20:34] <OerHeks> it happens in linux and debian channels too..
[20:34] <ducasse> yes, i've noticed.
[20:35] <OerHeks> Though it is good to investigate, his questions hide knowledge
[20:35] <ducasse> he's wasting people's time.
[20:36] <ducasse> it's ok to asl, but don't ask the same question a hundred times in several different channels.
[20:36] <ducasse> *ask
[20:36] <OerHeks> Lets see, how many servers and desktops i have wrecked with my support ...
[20:37] <OerHeks> 1 every month, that would be 96 \0/
[20:38] <ducasse> eh, they get what they pay for ;-)
[20:56] <ducasse> greetings, Bashing-om !
[20:58] <Bashing-om> Good day ducasse . Getting settled in .. see what the day brings .
[21:05] <ducasse> Bashing-om: i'll soon be signing off, had enough fun for one day :)
[21:09] <Bashing-om> ducasse: " had enough fun for one day " seems to happen on a regular basis around here . I try and hand it back to you in the same shape you left ( all squared away and running ) .
[21:22] <ducasse> Bashing-om: ah, a guy with mysql problems after upgrade - that's my cue to leave :)
[21:22] <ducasse> sleepytime.
[21:23] <OerHeks> :-)


 Paired them well,
[06:59] <brobostigon> :)
[06:59] <KnightPi> downloading, encoding, scripts etc all run on the linux machine. The Synology is acting as a central storage area
[07:00] <KnightPi> kind of a "crossroad" between my different environments
[07:00] <brobostigon> ah.
[07:00] <KnightPi> + i setup my raspberry pi III as my dedicated remote machine to SSH into
[07:00] <KnightPi> surprised myself that I kept going back to the commandline to get things done instead of using the gui
[07:01] <brobostigon> good good, :)
[07:03] <KnightPi> yeah. Combinations of Transmission, Calibre and a Kindle Oasis = great
[08:18] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:18] <zmoylan-pi> shhh, it's monday out there, if it doesn't notice you it might not make your day horrible :-)
[08:32] <KnightPi> Bags garbage bins together .. GOOD MORNING MONDAY ! ! ! !
[08:34]  * zmoylan-pi sidles sideways to avoid the impact zone of the asteroid that's now casting a shadow over KnightPi...
[08:35]  * KnightPi hopes Bruce Willis is going to fire the detonator in time
[08:35] <zmoylan-pi> he's trying to find a helmet with an ashtray inside...
[08:38] <KnightPi> I think i might be screwed
[08:38] <zmoylan-pi> did you bring your acme parasol?
[08:38] <KnightPi> of course I did
[08:38] <KnightPi> its pink
[08:38] <zmoylan-pi> sure you'll be grand so...
[08:40] <KnightPi> i always wanted to be craterdust
[08:41] <zmoylan-pi> we are made of stars, we return to the stars
[08:52] <KnightPi> So is catpoop ..
[08:57] <zmoylan-pi> yeah, but cat poop will never stive to reach the stars by itself...
[08:58] <KnightPi> you obviously don't own a cat
[08:59] <zmoylan-pi> no one 'owns' a cat, at best we share the same space and goals...
[08:59] <KnightPi> also true
[22:42] <daftykins> super cheap 500GB Crucial MX500 SATA SSDs on amazon UK right now, my my
[22:55] <zmoylan-pi> delilah?
[22:59]  * daftykins puts down the accordion


[15:00] <bdmurray> o/
[15:00] <sil2100> o/
[15:00] <dbungert> o/ - I'm double booked for this timeslot, so please ping me as needed
[15:00] <mclemenceau> o/
[15:00] <bdmurray> #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team
[15:00] <meetingology> Meeting started at 15:00:46 UTC.  The chair is bdmurray.  Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
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[15:01] <bdmurray> #topic Lightning Round
[15:01] <bdmurray> dbungert alexghiti xypron vorlon waveform schopin juliank mwhudson sil2100 ginggs jawn-smith doko slyon bdmurray
[15:01] <bdmurray> dbungert:
[15:01] <dbungert> (4 day edition)
[15:01] <dbungert> * kernel vs ntfsresize (LP: #1946828): attempting to build a minimial
[15:01] <dbungert> reproducer.  Slapping ntfs on an image isn't quite enough.
[15:01] <dbungert> * curtin vs ubuntu-desktop-installer: the pool for the canary image is missing
[15:01] <dbungert> packages.  Using this to learn ubuntu-cdimage, debian-cd, seeds
[15:01] <dbungert> * subiquity: working on fix for ssh-import-id on focal with core20 subiquity.
[15:01] <dbungert> Ran into problem with unmkinitramfs (apt install lz4 to fix).
[15:01] <dbungert> (done)
[15:01] <alexghiti> BeagleV board:
[15:01] <alexghiti> U-boot SPL OK
[15:01] <alexghiti> U-boot OK
[15:01] <alexghiti> Kernel ongoing
[15:01] <alexghiti> util-linux released thanks to @slyon
[15:01] <alexghiti> Update unoconv, lyricue and nx-libs debdiff, waiting for external sponsors
[15:01] <alexghiti> (done)
[15:01] <vorlon> roadmap sprint this week, so that's my status and you should skip me ;)
[15:01] <bdmurray> xypron:
[15:02]  * waveform is on holiday this week :)
[15:02] <xypron> I am currently working on Ubuntu patches for Nezha
[15:03] <xypron> There are some 120 patches in the queue to be sorted through.

[15:03] <bdmurray> not 128?
[15:03] <bdmurray> schopin:
[15:03] <schopin> * Virtual Sprint week!
[15:03] <schopin> * My MOTU application has been accepted \o/
[15:03] <schopin> * pam: refreshed the MP to merge the 1.4.0 branch from Debian
[15:03] <schopin> * netplan: published a feature-complete draft PR for the YAML
[15:03] <schopin>   consolidation work: https://github.com/canonical/netplan/pull/241
[15:03] <schopin> * autopkgtest:
[15:03] <schopin>   + posted a small MR to add a --ram-size option to autopkgest-buildvm-ubuntu-cloud
[15:04] <schopin>     https://salsa.debian.org/ci-team/autopkgtest/-/merge_requests/130
[15:04] <schopin>   + another PR adding support for non-x86 architectures in autopkgtest-buildvm-ubuntu-cloud
[15:04] <schopin>     https://salsa.debian.org/ci-team/autopkgtest/-/merge_requests/131
[15:04] <schopin> * ruby2.7: fixed a missing ruby2.7-dev on gcc-10 on ppc64el (LP: #1948950)
[15:04] <schopin> * I was on +1 rotation this week:
[15:04] <schopin>   + rgain3: Fix autopkgtests failing when multiple Py3 versions are in the
[15:04] <schopin>     archive. Upstreamed in Debian: https://salsa.debian.org/python-team/packages/rgain3/-/merge_requests/1
[15:04] <schopin>   + rust-once-cell: "Fixed" the invalid autopkgtests and reported the issue
[15:04] <schopin>     upstream: https://salsa.debian.org/rust-team/debcargo-conf/-/merge_requests/215
[15:04] <schopin>   + ruby-mysql2: Merged the Debian version, waiting for an unrelated fix (LP: #1948817)
[15:04] <schopin>   + quassel: merged from Debian (LP: #194410)
[15:04] <schopin>   + openscad: merged version 2021.01-2
[15:04] <schopin>   + ike-scan: synced
[15:04] <schopin> ✓ done
[15:04] <juliank> oh it's me time
[15:04] <juliank> * reviewed ChromeOS shim submission
[15:04] <juliank> * python-apt 2.3.0: fixes for Python 3.10
[15:04] <juliank> * digging hard into the autopkgtest cloud
[15:05] <juliank>   - acquire build-adt-image lock for ensure-adt-image@ as well so we don't end up with dupes
[15:05] <juliank>   - stop several image building processes stuck for over a day
[15:05] <juliank>   - implement 15 min timeouts for openstack commands and a 1 hour overall timeout for image building so
[15:05] <juliank>     we always fail on the same day, so next day can build images again
[15:05] <juliank>   - dig into space usage of images; find out openstack does not have discard, so any blocks we wrote
[15:05] <juliank>     on images were marked as used, so given we loop boot/upgrade/store new image for impish/jammy,
[15:05] <juliank>     it grew. Got IS to setup sync for base images for impish/jammy so we can build from a small image again.
[15:05] <juliank>   - as a followup, found out that the regex for finding the base images did not actually match the devel dailies due to inappropriate ?: "non-capturing group" in grep -E (needs -P)
[15:05] <juliank>   - implemented early code for deleting obsolete queues (e.g. groovy)
[15:05] <juliank>   - found out we don't "support" trusty on the cloud, not sure if it's being used, it might still work regardless
[15:05] <juliank>   - improved graphs a bit by adding 5 min minimum interval
[15:05] <juliank>   => our images should all be cleaned up by tomorrow
[15:05] <juliank> (done)
[15:05] <sil2100> * Sick on Monday
[15:05] <bdmurray> sil2100:
[15:05] <sil2100> * SRU reviews and releases
[15:05] <sil2100> * Fully enabling simplestreams for cdimage
[15:05] <sil2100> * Switched on jammy daily builds
[15:05] <sil2100> * Ubuntu Core:
[15:05] <sil2100>   - Worked with Sertac to get the new core22 from the review queue
[15:05] <sil2100>   - Discussions around UC22
[15:05] <sil2100>   - Started phasing of the core18 snap to stable
[15:05] <sil2100>   - Preparing for an image refresh for UC18
[15:05] <sil2100> * Sponsoring uploads for the HWE team
[15:05] <sil2100> * NEW reviews for Steve
[15:05] <sil2100> * ubuntu-image:
[15:05] <sil2100>   - Reviewed and merged William's PR for arch-specific-tests
[15:06] <sil2100>   - Sponsored 2.0+22.04ubuntu3 (still waiting on ADT)
[15:06] <sil2100>   - Tested ubuntu-image 2.0 snap and moved it to beta
[15:06] <sil2100>   - Prepared a PR for ensuring our workaround disk-ID generation generates unique IDs
[15:06] <sil2100> * Addressed some review bits from Steve regarding sru-review sync reviews
[15:06] <sil2100> * Continued with leftover tasks from 22.04 opening (e-mail sending usually)
[15:06] <sil2100> * DMB duties
[15:06] <sil2100> * Finished documenting various bits for private ADT testing and ESM britney
[15:06] <sil2100> * Discussions regarding generic image building
[15:06] <sil2100> * Roadmap sprint
[15:06] <sil2100> * Security training
[15:06] <sil2100> * Intel IOT images:
[15:06] <sil2100>   - Helped in publishing iotg images on cdimage
[15:06] <sil2100>   - Looked into how we can build desktop installer images
[15:06] <sil2100>   - Looked into reported bug with bootability, checking the gadget grub.cfg
[15:06] <sil2100>   - Thinking of a way to fix it properly an enabling grub.cfg updates
[15:06] <sil2100>   - Prepared gadget and livecd-rootfs changes, proceeded with a lot local image builds for testing
[15:06] <sil2100> (done)
[15:07] <bdmurray> ginggs:
[15:07] <ginggs> * been busy adding python3.10 as a supported version
[15:07] <ginggs> * retried builds for the r-api-bioc-3.13 transition in the correct order
[15:07] <ginggs> * no-change rebuilds for some other transitions; glew, mumps, gdal and proj
[15:07] <ginggs> (done)
[15:07] <bdmurray> ginggs: did that one SRU get removed?
[15:07] <bdmurray> jawn-smith: proceed
[15:07] <jawn-smith> * ubuntu-image
[15:07] <ginggs> bdmurray: not yet
[15:07] <jawn-smith>     * Fixing some tests on arches like ppc and s390x
[15:07] <jawn-smith>     * Fixed bug in upstream go-diskfs library that wasn't checking for integer overflows
[15:07] <jawn-smith>     * Started working on adding in the --validation flag for core builds
[15:07] <jawn-smith>         * Currently blocked on LP: #1948838
[15:07] <jawn-smith>     * Spammed F5 on the autopkgtest results pages
[15:07] <jawn-smith> * Helping prep for the Raspberry Pi Zero 2 that was released today!
[15:07] <jawn-smith> * Creating demo video for RISC-V summit
[15:08] <jawn-smith> * Investigating LP: #1922117 on focal with HWE kernel
[15:08] <jawn-smith>     * It turns out this bug and it's systemd counterpart are not an issue in focal due to some kernel changes
[15:08] <jawn-smith> * Interviewing one candidate
[15:08] <jawn-smith> [done]
[15:08] <doko> - backporting amdgcn patches for gcc-10
[15:08] <doko> - some python 3.10 fixes
[15:08] <doko> - some ftbfs fixes
[15:08] <doko> (done)
[15:08] <jawn-smith> slyon is out today but sent this:
[15:09] <jawn-smith> - Interview
[15:09] <jawn-smith> - OWASP training
[15:09] <jawn-smith> - Following some sprint sessions & discussing autopkgtests for snaps
[15:09] <jawn-smith> - Fix usrmerge handling (re-)generated files + SRU + verification (LP: #1930573)
[15:09] <jawn-smith> - MIR revivews vulkan, vulkan-tools & wsl-setup, LP: #1946359, LP: #1948392
[15:09] <jawn-smith> - Debian Maintainer application, pending doko's advocacy
[15:09] <jawn-smith> [15:09] <jawn-smith> - Fixing autopkgtests in DebCI for v0.103 in Debian
[15:09] <jawn-smith> - Sponsoring link-options debdiff into Jammy (LP: #1771740)
[15:09] <jawn-smith>   + reviewed SRU debdiffs
[15:09] <jawn-smith> - SRU verifications, LP: #1943120, LP: #1942930
[15:09] <jawn-smith> [done]
[15:11] <schopin> (we seem to have temporarily lost bdmurray)
[15:13] <bdmurray> sponsored livecd-rootfs SRUs for F, H for the CPC team
[15:13] <bdmurray> sponsored rsplib, cinnamon, libsigon-glib uploads for community members
[15:13] <bdmurray> sponsored a2jmidid for xypron
[15:13] <bdmurray> merged update-notifier fix for LP: #1821412, sponsored for jammy
[15:13] <bdmurray> following the EoL process for Groovy
[15:13] <bdmurray> submitted firewall MP with updated IPs for ps5 Error Tracker
[15:13] <bdmurray> coordinated with desktop team regarding appstream-generator POC
[15:13] <bdmurray> wrote a bug pattern for u-r-u bug LP: #1813354
[15:13] <bdmurray> updated meta-release-development with jammy jellyfish
[15:13] <bdmurray> review of candidate applications
[15:13] <bdmurray> created tzdata update bug LP: #1948698
[15:13] <bdmurray> uploaded jammy update and SRUS of tzdata for the above
[15:13] <bdmurray> SRU verification of the tzdata update
[15:13] <bdmurray> submitted RT regarding rsync configuration on osageorange for apport_duplicates.db
[15:14] <bdmurray> added automatic upgrade testing profiles for focal and impish to jammy
[15:14] <bdmurray> added jammy to meta-release-lts-development (updated changelogs.u.c)
[15:14] <bdmurray> added an SRU test case to LP: #1916250
[15:14] <bdmurray> uploaded apport for jammy which enables crash reporting and has a security update
[15:14] <bdmurray> any questions on status?
[15:15] <bdmurray> #topic Release Incoming Bugs
[15:15] <bdmurray> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-jj-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[15:16] <bdmurray> bug 1943530
[15:16] <schopin> didn't we look at this one last week already?
[15:16] <bdmurray> Right, there's an outstanding question here
[15:17] <bdmurray> bug 1946828 I believe dbungert is working on a minimal test case
[15:17] <dbungert> correct
[15:17] <bdmurray> should we have a card for it then?
[15:18] <dbungert> sure
[15:18] <bdmurray> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ii-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[15:18] <bdmurray> bug 1947600 is with the desktop team afaik
[15:19] <bdmurray> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[15:19] <bdmurray> bug 1948884
[15:20] <bdmurray> Is there a symlink that would make this moot
[15:21]  * bdmurray said without a ?
[15:22] <bdmurray> Apparently not
[15:23] <bdmurray> I'll have a look at it and then we can decide about carding it.
[15:23] <bdmurray> #topic Team proposed-migration report
[15:24] <bdmurray> #link http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs
[15:25] <bdmurray> vorlon: Is the queue quiesced enough that its worth looking at this?
[15:25] <vorlon> bdmurray: no
[15:25] <bdmurray> okay
[15:25] <bdmurray> #topic AOB
[15:25] <vorlon> hopefully some of the changes juliank+IS have made to image handling on jammy will soon cause the queues to drain faster, but there's still a huge backlog right now
[15:25] <jawn-smith> I will be out Thurs Nov 4
[15:26]  * juliank is not optimistic, having rebuilt jammy bos02 ppc64el image already a couple hours ago
[15:26] <bdmurray> be sure to send in your status
[15:28] <bdmurray> #endmeeting
[15:28] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 15:28:00 UTC.  Minutes at https://new.ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2021/ubuntu-meeting.2021-10-28-15.00.moin.txt
[15:28] <sil2100> o/
[15:32] <dbungert> bdmurray: ntfsresize thing carded, FR-1823
[15:33] <bdmurray> dbungert: thanks!


[00:03] <ikonia> think it's bed time, night
[00:04] <Seeker`> night
[01:18]  * ikonia returns
[01:19] <Flannel> triumphantly?
[01:22] <Seeker`> fail at bed?
[01:23] <ikonia> pretty much
[01:23] <ikonia> tired but can't settle
[01:23] <Seeker`> :/
[01:23] <Seeker`> you could buy me a TV if you are bored
[01:25] <Seeker`> ikonia: ^
[01:41] <Flannel> jrib: er?  qb|away?
[01:41] <jrib> yeah
[01:42] <Flannel> What'd he do?
[01:42] <jrib> |away
[01:42] <jrib> for months
[01:42] <Flannel> He.... hasn't changed his nick in 24 hours at least...
[01:42] <Flannel> so?  If it never changes....
[01:42] <jrib> it does
[01:42] <Seeker`> it isn't nickspam then
[01:42] <Flannel> It hasn't in the past 24 hours.
[01:43] <jrib> doh
[01:44] <jrib> I did check my logs, but misread the date
[01:44] <jrib> thanks
[01:54] <jrib> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/02/06/%23ubuntu.txt
[02:06] <ikonia> Seeker`: sorry was away from desk
[03:18] <ikonia> @bansearch pepperjack
[03:18] <ikonia> wake up bot !
[05:43] <ikonia> topyli: hope your on the ball in -ot
[05:46] <nickrud> -offtopic needs that emergency ubuntu-ops character
[05:46] <bazhang> heh
[05:47] <nickrud> good luck baz
[05:47] <ikonia> topyli: was active there a minute ago
[05:47] <bazhang> or at least get some fresher trolls
[05:47] <bazhang> this guy continues with the 3rd party apps for the mac are more user friendly etc than linux
[05:48] <nickrud> as if we care
[05:48] <bazhang> what?
[05:48] <nickrud> if 3d party mac apps are whatever
[05:48] <bazhang> someone must have kidnapped nickrud
[05:49] <bazhang> I would have expected a witty reply there :)
[05:49] <Flannel> Anyone seen any other activity (advertisements) from Torikun?  Except in #u a few minutes ago (and now in my LoCo channel)
[05:49] <nickrud> wit is only applied to interesting people, not trolls
[05:50] <nickrud> Flannel, no
[05:50] <Flannel> nickrud: I really wonder why random people from around the world come to *my* loco channel
[05:51] <nickrud> all the fruits,nuts and flakes end up in -california. Sheesh.
[05:51] <nickrud> I thought you already knew that
[05:51] <Flannel> Go away!  We have enough crazys already!  We are self sufficient in that regard too!
[05:53] <ikonia> he' gone
[05:53] <Flannel> mark him?
[05:54] <ikonia> he's known
[05:54] <ikonia> well known
[05:54] <ikonia> he's seen his public warning
[05:54] <ikonia> so there is no come back
[05:54] <ikonia> !enter | ikonia
[05:54] <bazhang> aka riceisnotpurple
[05:54] <Flannel> right, but he won't be searchable in bt
[05:54] <Flannel> Or is he already
[05:55] <ikonia> so many nicks no idea
[05:55] <ikonia> I know elk kicked him a day ago
[05:55] <ikonia> can't remember what nick
[05:56] <Flannel> IPs are better anyway
[05:56] <Flannel> (see:  current problem)  ;)
[05:57] <ikonia> hey Amaranth is wearing his real nick
[05:57]  * Amaranth hides
[08:09]  * elky watches -ot and 'hrm's
[08:11] <topyli> morning
[08:11] <topyli> operating systems specialists at work there
[08:17] <Flannel> What on earth did he just say?
[08:17] <Flannel> Oh, recurse
[08:31] <topyli> ok, who taught ubottu to brag?
[08:38] <Flannel> Mmmm, was that a hiccup? or just me?
[08:40] <topyli> just you
[08:41] <Flannel> I got a message from fdsae upon joining #u, I'm wondering if its a non-cloaked person onjoin
[08:41] <Flannel> mmm, who just left.
[09:18] <elky> topyli, so now i have some very dark brown aniseedy vodka, with a heap of white lumps in the bottom. i think that beeswax was not an insignificant amount
[09:20] <topyli> hrm, that's cosmetic but still not nice
[09:20] <topyli> did you taste it?
[09:44] <Myrtti> whee
[09:48] <elky> topyli, yeah, it has a bit of a waxy taste, which i suspect a run through a coffee filter would cure
[09:49] <elky> if i had a funnel, i'd do this, but i suspect i'll have to do it tomorrow
[09:51] <topyli> yes the filter will also make a great breakfast for the morning after
[09:53] <topyli> elky: you got it sweet enough? it shouldn't taste too much like vodka. which you already know so meh :)
[09:54] <elky> topyli, it's not sickly, which is good
[09:54] <topyli> yes too much is bad too
[09:55] <elky> Monty's stuff was sweeter, but i suspect once i de-wax this, it'll be ok
[10:03] <topyli> if not, apply more candy :)
[10:09] <elky> it's good as it is
[10:09] <elky> any more, and it'd be too much salmiakki
[10:10] <elky> i'd probably sooner add some extra sugar
[10:10] <elky> rather than more of those buttons
[10:10] <topyli> yeah
[10:10] <elky> they were double salt, remember
[10:15] <topyli> yeah
[12:17] <elky> uh oh... look who's back
[12:18] <bazhang> heh
[12:18] <bazhang> he and abcd'etc should get along fine
[13:23] <jrib> !-clone
[15:31] <jussi01> !scope > claybustr
[15:56] <nickrud>  says who?
[15:57] <jussi01> nickrud: ???
[15:58] <nickrud> it's unfair to ubottu to artificially limit his knowledge
[15:58] <jussi01> nickrud: hang aon a sec, how are we limiting his knowledge?
[15:59] <nickrud> jussi01, a joke, and apparently a very lame one, in response to scope :)
[15:59] <jussi01> and I correct myself
[15:59] <jussi01> nickrud: hang aon a sec, how are we limiting her knowledge?
[15:59] <jussi01> P
[15:59] <jussi01> nickrud: ahh
[16:00] <nickrud> oh, so you're a sexist, don't think wobot's should be overloaded?
[16:00] <jussi01> !gender | nickrud
[16:01] <nickrud> and a very good sunday morning to you jussi01 :)
[16:01] <jussi01> hehe
[16:01] <jussi01> anyway, Im off to watch some football :)
[17:49] <Nafallo> o_O
[17:50] <topyli> apparently he tried to escape it with a space, but failed
[17:51] <Nafallo> mostly looked at the other two :-)
[21:25] <Seeker`> nalioth: ping
[21:30] <nalioth> Seeker`: pong
[21:31] <Seeker`> I'm not sure which version of my mootbot code is most up to date, so could you possibly email Daviey the contents of /path/to/mootbot/scripts/mootbot
[21:31] <Seeker`> from whichever server the bot is currently running from
[21:34] <Seeker`> nalioth: ^
[21:40]  * nalioth blinks
[21:41] <Seeker`> Daviey is going to do some bot redevlopment
[21:51] <Daviey> Or at the very least host one for ubuntu-uk.. we've had some troubles with MootBot :(
[21:53] <nickrud> wow flannel, no tolerance at all today :)
[21:54] <Flannel> nickrud: Its a slow processes.  He was warned by me twice yesterday (once on away, once later on another return) and I removed him for it yesterday as well (after another time)
[21:54] <Flannel> He's come back, and did it again, so, he'll get to come chat with us, since he's either malicious, or entirely ignorant.
[21:54] <nickrud> thrice warned is pretty tolerant.


[00:08] <AddJim> Could someone triage this over to the kernel team? I don't want to be rude and assign it myself. Should be an easy fix since it's just bringing over a patch from the EC2 package… https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/824304?comments=all
[20:23] <bil21al> heloo have you people see that the unity is not starting after todays upgrade??
[20:42] <bil21al> any body seen this issur after update
[20:42] <bil21al> ??
[20:42] <bil21al> i asked in oneirics but they dony knw
[20:46] <hggdh> bil21al: it starts here
[20:47] <hggdh> bil21al: at one point in time only part of the Unity update was available. If you blindly dist-upgraded, then you might have removed it
[20:47] <hggdh> (I know because I noticed it, and did a selective update)
[20:48] <bil21al> now what i do
[20:48] <bil21al> ??
[20:49] <hggdh> look at /var/log/apt/history.log and, from the bottom up, look for what was removed today on updates
[20:49] <hggdh> then you can reinstall it
[20:49] <hggdh> (if this was the issue, of course)
[20:50] <bil21al> how can i get history back in terminal ??
[20:50] <hggdh> less
[20:50] <hggdh> less /var/log/apt/history.log
[20:50] <hggdh> and one question mark is enough ;-)
[20:51] <bil21al> ok sir thankx
[20:51] <hggdh> yw
[22:42] <ThePendulum> Greetings
[22:42] <ThePendulum> In an attempt to install Ubuntu (both 10.04 and/or 11.04), I got nothing but errors after passing the Gub --> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/25683105/Pictures/2011-09-02%2023.18.51.jpg
[22:42] <ThePendulum> Does anyone know how to solve this?
[22:43] <ThePendulum> I tried both CD and USB, and both media have worked flawles before
[22:44] <ThePendulum> #ubuntu didn't really give the impression they were willing to help, so this is my last chance really
[22:47] <AddJim> hmm
[22:47] <AddJim> This is really more the triage channel for people who file bugs
[22:48] <AddJim> I can't tell from the console shot you just posted.
[22:48] <ThePendulum> Perhaps someone filed this as a bug and you know more about it
[22:48] <ThePendulum> Well it's the only feedback the installer gives lol
[22:49] <AddJim> Best I could suggest is that you try some different options on the kernel command line.
[22:49] <ThePendulum> Ubuntu isn't even installed
[22:49] <AddJim> Yes on the kernel command line on the installer
[22:49] <AddJim> Like first try to just get it to boot at all into livecd mode
[22:50] <ThePendulum> It won't show anything besides the Grub
[22:52] <AddJim> http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/gregkh/lkn/lkn_pdf/ch09.pdf
[22:52] <AddJim> I'd suggest starting with the interrupt-related options
[22:52] <AddJim> Yes, you can change the command line in grub by editing the kernel command line that grub launches.


[14:08] <cjwatson> We have some potential progress on the bos02 thing; looks like we may have been managing to tickle a somewhat-recently-introduced and even-more-recently-fixed kernel bug
[14:08] <cjwatson> Which is _not_ the answer I was expecting, but I'll take it!
[15:36] <athos> Hi, how could I move ownership of https://launchpad.net/~canonical-server/kafka-snap/+snap/kafka to a different team? I do not see ~data-platform among the options I could transfer the snap to.
[16:06] <cjwatson> athos: Either you need to be a member of both teams, or you need to ask IS to use their superpowers to do it for you
[17:03] <athos> thanks, cjwatson!
[17:08] <cjwatson> bos02 builds may possibly be in a better state now, following a kernel upgrade.  I'm going to be retrying a bunch of builds (for now I've just retried relevant-looking failures from today).
[19:31] <cjwatson> ricotz,mitya57,athos,RikMills: The bos02 woes seem to be fixed now with a new kernel.  I'm going to retry all the possibly-relevant failures since this issue started (which will probably be somewhat overkill, but seems best).
[20:03] <cjwatson> OK, well that bulk-retry has generated a pretty substantial queue on arm64/armhf, but a bunch of that will probably insta-supersede as soon as buildd-manager gets round to considering it
[20:03] <cjwatson> So let's see how that goes from here
[20:04] <cjwatson> Also it shouldn't be spending quite so long now retrying the same large builds over and over again
[20:53] <ricotz> cjwatson, hey, great news :)


[16:51] <jbicha> could someone review the patch for bug 1069644?
[21:35] <jbicha> can I run a command to get a list of available scopes?
[21:37] <jbicha> I'm thinking about extending the search tab in the Privacy Settings panel to allow users to easily enable or disable scopes since that's not very discoverable or intuitive in Unity 7.1
[21:38] <jbicha> I see there's a gsettings for disabling: com.canonical.Unity.Lenses disabled-scopes
[21:39] <jbicha> (by available I mean installed scopes)
[21:40] <jbicha> the final mockup on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityAndPrivacySettings suggests that's a desired feature for mobile at least
[22:42] <jbicha> anyway, I reported bug 1198554 with what I figured out in case somebody wants to try to implement it


[00:11] <Unit193> tsimonq2: Speaking of, did stringsify in Qt5 change over the past year or so?
[00:11] <tsimonq2> Unit193: I don't know, sorry.
[00:15] <Unit193> Figured not, but worth a shot.
[00:17] <Unit193> Something is getting garbled to /usr/lib/x86_64-1-gnu/ on amd64, and /usr/lib/1-1-gnu/ on i386.


[06:05] <tjaalton> pwnguin: wacom-tools built fine, now uploaded to intrepid
[06:14] <pwnguin> neat
[06:15] <tjaalton> there's at least one big regression reported on debian
[06:15] <tjaalton> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=482826
[06:16] <tjaalton> but maybe that's already on launchpad
[06:37] <pwnguin> i saw that before when i was checking for crazy bugs, but i only skimmed it and thought it was some goofy joystick thing
[06:37] <pwnguin> perhaps not
[06:37] <pwnguin> guess i need to upgrade to intrepid
[06:39] <tjaalton> i can crash the server if using input-hotplug and plugging in a joystick and move it :)
[06:39] <tjaalton> maybe 1.5 is better
[06:39] <tjaalton> it'd better be :)
[06:42] <pwnguin> so on a scale from 1 to 10, how likely is an ibid upgrade to work?
[07:22] <tjaalton> don't know, i'm not running intrepid yet
[08:10] <bryce> I put intrepid on one of my boxes early on, and have been updating it irregularly; no problems so far
[08:10] <bryce> I use it more as a build server than as a desktop though
[08:12] <pwnguin> my laptop has two installed ubuntus
[08:12] <pwnguin> i normally keep a stable and a dev with a shared /home
[08:14] <tjaalton> how do you handle grub?
[08:14] <pwnguin> very carefully
[08:15] <pwnguin> if i were smarter
[08:15] <tjaalton> you don't have a shared /boot?-)
[08:15] <pwnguin> id have grub installed to the partions and basically a dual stage grub
[08:15] <pwnguin> or a /boot
[08:15] <tjaalton> right
[08:15] <pwnguin> but the dual stage would actually work
[08:15] <pwnguin> a shared /boot wont
[08:19] <tjaalton> bryce: btw, you can drop fonttosfnt from the status page. also lrm, mesa-utils, and probably compiz should be dropped as well (compiz not maintained by us)
[08:20] <tjaalton> and I'm wondering about dropping unichrome from the archive..
[08:20] <tjaalton> upstream is hostile and not willing to make releases :)
[08:21] <tjaalton> and too busy updating it
[08:23] <bryce> tjaalton: the script just pulls from what's on https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+packagebugs
[08:23] <tjaalton> bryce: oh :)
[08:24] <bryce> plus a handful of extra packages (like mesa) that I added
[08:24] <tjaalton> mesa and mesa-utils have the same source (mesa)
[08:25] <bryce> hmm
[08:25] <bryce> I don't specifically add mesa-utils... it must magically come in somehow
[08:26] <bryce> anyway, in general what's included in the report can be controlled by subscribing/unsubscribing ubuntu-x-swat
[08:27] <tjaalton> fonttosfnt is not on that page, and why aren't the other lrm's listed?
[08:28] <bryce> yeah I don't know how fonttosfnt is sneaking in...  looking into that
[08:28] <bryce> for lrm, hmm...  maybe the version number is getting parsed out or something... not sure
[08:29] <tjaalton> also x11-common is unnecessary on that page
[08:29] <tjaalton> source is xorg
[08:30] <bryce> ok, nuked
[08:30] <bryce> btw, here's the current "extra" packages:
[08:30] <bryce>        x11-apps x11-utils x11-xfs-utils
[08:30] <bryce>        x11-xkb-utils x11-xserver-utils
[08:30] <bryce>        xserver-xorg-video-avivo
[08:30] <bryce> 	xserver-xorg-video-psb
[08:30] <bryce>        xserver-xorg-video-openchrome
[08:30] <bryce>        xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd
[08:30] <bryce>        libdrm2
[08:30] <bryce>        libxcb
[08:30] <bryce>        mdetect
[08:30] <bryce>        libpixman
[08:30] <bryce>        xserver-xgl
[08:31] <bryce> probably would be better for us to sub -swat to those
[08:31] <tjaalton> already is
[08:31] <tjaalton> not mdetect though
[08:31] <tjaalton> libdrm2 source is libdrm
[08:32] <tjaalton> all the x11* are subscribed
[08:32] <tjaalton> avivo is not in the archive anymore
[08:33] <tjaalton> libxcb is missing, subscribing
[08:35] <bryce> ah, the reason lrm-2.6.24 is the only one listed is because the script only checks hardy and intrepid, and older lrms aren't seen by apt-cache madison
[08:36] <bryce> when there is a lrm-2.6.25, and when it's subbed by -swat, in theory it should just show up
[08:36] <tjaalton> but what does it give us?-) debian doesn't have that
[08:36] <tjaalton> and probably it won't even include any video drivers anyway
[08:37] <bryce> then if we don't sub -swat to it, we'll not see it
[08:37] <bryce> and lrm-2.6.24 will drop off when we move to intrepid+1
[08:38] <tjaalton> ok.. let's wait for the split
[08:39] <bryce> hmm, I'm a little mystified by fonttosfnt.  By chance did you unsub us from that recently (within the last 24 hrs?)
[08:39] <tjaalton> and yes, mesa-utils is subscribed because there was a source package named mesa-utils. but since there are no bugs assigned to it, I'll unsub from it
[08:39] <tjaalton> no, must've been before
[08:39] <tjaalton> when it was dropped from intrepid
[08:40] <tjaalton> it had no bugs
[08:41] <bryce> I'll regen the page and we can see where we're at
[08:41] <bryce> maybe fonttosfnt will just drop off
[08:42] <tjaalton> yeah
[08:44] <bryce> ok reload
[08:44] <bryce> hrm still there
[08:45] <tjaalton> stubborn lil' bastard
[08:49] <bryce> ahhh I know
[08:49] <bryce> the way the script works, I guess it's a little backwards than we'd expect
[08:49] <bryce> first it looks at the xorg releases page and gets a list of packages from that
[08:50] <bryce> then it looks at hardy and intrepid to see if they carry any of those packages listed according to apt-cache madison, and if so, it includes them
[08:50] <tjaalton> heh :)
[08:50] <bryce> then it also overlays additional packages listed on the -swat report
[08:51] <bryce> so fonttosfnt gets grandfathered in since xorg still carries it, and because it's present in hardy
[08:58] <tjaalton> ok, unless it's easy to blacklist it from the script, let's live with it :)
[09:07] <bryce> if it really bugs you I can blacklist it, but it doesn't bother me (it doesn't affect the ultimate stats, and I like having the 'history' showing what we dropped)
[14:17] <tjaalton> bryce: no it's fine
[20:28] <mnemo> i need to rebuild my X.org DRI module but autoconf says "cant find dri2proto"... what package do I need to install?
[20:31] <jcristau> there isn't one for dri2proto yet
[20:31] <jcristau> so --disable-dri2
[20:32] <mnemo> ah, it's a new feature which is not used in ubuntu yet?
[20:33] <mnemo> hmm, it didn't work.. seems like the driver still checked for dri2proto
[20:33] <jcristau> what driver is that?
[20:33] <mnemo> intel
[20:33] <mnemo> im trying to build i965 dri module
[20:33] <jcristau> oh
[20:35] <jcristau> well you can build a package from git://git.debian.org/git/pkg-xorg/proto/x11proto-dri2
[20:35] <mnemo> thanks I'll give it a try
[20:37] <mnemo> that one says "make: nothing to be done"
[20:38] <jcristau> it shouldn't
[20:39] <mnemo> when I run ./autogen.sh it creates dri2proto.pc
[20:39] <mnemo> and then exits
[20:40] <jcristau> right
[20:41] <mnemo> is that how it's supposed to work?
[20:43] <jcristau> it's a bunch of headers, so there's nothing to build. if you want a package, run 'dpkg-buildpackage -b'
[20:44] <mnemo> ahh I see.. I've never seen such a thing before
[20:44] <jcristau> a debian package?
[20:45] <mnemo> well I've seen .deb files before but never some source code from git that was supposed to converted directly into a .deb
[20:45] <jcristau> ok
[20:46] <mnemo> i usually just try "./configure ; make ; make install" or maybe ./autogen.sh if it exists
[20:46] <mnemo> there is some many different instructions for different packages
[20:46] <mnemo> very hard to get started learning about these things
[20:47] <mnemo> i mean, a simple INSTALL or README file for the x11proto-dri2 would have come a long way
[20:47] <jcristau> './autogen.sh; make; make install' would have worked
[20:48] <mnemo> ah, I got stuck on "make" because it said it did nothing but I suppose that was "by design" sort of
[20:48] <jcristau> right
[20:49] <mnemo> another problem getting started contributing to x.org in ubuntu is that it's so hard to get an overview of all the packages and how they interact with each other... like what is DRI, DRM, MESA and so on.. i want to help but I get totallt confused by all these packages that depend on each other ;/
[20:49] <jcristau> we all are
[20:49] <mnemo> ;)
[20:49] <bryce> yeah me too
[20:49] <mnemo> haha =)
[20:50] <jcristau> i suppose i should get the dri2proto packages in debian at some point
[20:50] <bryce> mnemo: I've found phoronix sometimes has really good articles explaining what the acronyms and such mean
[20:50] <mnemo> cool
[20:50] <bryce> it'd sure be nice to have an "X.org glossary"
[20:51] <bryce> and I definitely agree an overview document explaining how all the various gears interact would be handy
[20:52] <bryce> you can sort of piece things together via the X.org website and wikipedia
[20:52] <bryce> but the dependencies are still confusing
[20:52] <mnemo> yeah, it's like a puzzle and just when you think you got it they invent ttm or something like that, heh
[20:53] <bryce> and just as you come to terms with ttm, they change their mind and switch to using gem
[20:53] <bryce> and then gem isn't available yet X-P
[20:53] <mnemo> ;>
[21:02] <jcristau> i thought the problem was that nobody had come to terms with ttm, really
[21:05] <bryce> jcristau: the article on phoronix about it and gem makes it sound like keithp and co. have no intent to support seeing ttm upstreamed, and prefer to wait until gem is ready to go
[21:06] <jcristau> i don't read phoronix. i read the thread on dri-devel and the article about it on lwn though
[21:06] <bryce> tjaalton: I'm going to try dropping the greedy patch from -intel 2.3.1.  I *think* we no longer need it, but I'll just comment it out in case folks find it's still needed.
[21:06] <bryce> tjaalton: the patch still applies and builds, so if we need it, it should be easy to switch back on
[21:07] <jcristau> but, yeah, the intel guys don't seem too happy about ttm, hence gem
[21:08] <bryce> from what I know of the kernel guys, it'd surprise me if they took ttm when there isn't a consensus, esp. without keithp's backing.  And if the kernel is iffy on taking it, I wouldn't imagine many driver developers putting time into it
[21:09] <bryce> but who knows; if red hat strongly favors it and is pushing hard for it...
[21:10] <jcristau> the only ttm user is poulsbo, afaik
[21:12] <bryce> doesn't redhat also have patches enabling it for -intel in fedora9?
[21:13] <jcristau> yeah, probably, for the modesetting stuff. but that just needs a memory manager, not necessarily ttm
[23:08] <Q-FUNK> ok, I have new -nsc and -geode packages in my PPA with the GX2 support pulled back into geode and removed from nsc.
[23:18] <tjaalton> bryce: ok, sounds fine. there's time to experiment


[09:19] <chaks> hi ajmitch
[09:19] <chaks> do you want me to explain in detail for the spec? or just specify the modules?
[10:10] <chaks> ajmitch,, mail sent