[05:21] <Kilos> morning all
[06:02] <superfly> morning Kilos
[06:20] <Kilos> superfly, kde doesnt come from canonical anymore does it?
[06:21] <superfly> KDE never came from Canonical, but Kubuntu is not a Canonical project anymore, no.
[06:21] <superfly> It is now sponsored by another Linux company
[06:22] <Kilos> oh i have a old kde cd here still so thought they used to supply them to locos
[06:22] <superfly> Kilos: KDE is the desktop environment, Kubuntu is the distro. KDE existed long before Kubuntu.
[06:23] <Kilos> oh i mean kubuntu
[06:26] <Kilos> 9.10 it is. couldnt get nm working then either
[06:26] <Kilos> hehe
[06:28] <Kilos> eish the states getting thumped by that bad weather thing
[06:28] <Kilos> hope mrs_fly s family is on the other side
[06:28] <superfly> They're FAR away from any action
[06:29] <Kilos> yay
[06:29] <Kilos> watched the news now in a language i dont talk but lucky tv gives video coverage
[06:33] <Kilos> hey there SmilyBorg_w
[06:33] <SmilyBorg_w> Hey
[06:33] <Kilos> lol
[06:43] <Kilos> hi jrgns
[06:43] <jrgns> morning Kilos
[06:49] <Kilos> hi Trixar_za whats news with that network manager you tried
[06:51] <Trixar_za> Not much. I did fix the bug I accidentally left in sakis3g though
[06:52] <Kilos> my sakis works on kubuntu but it doesnt allow mxit on pidgin
[06:53] <Trixar_za> mxit on pidgin works fine for me
[06:53] <Kilos> ya for ian as well. just here it sukkels for some strange reason
[06:54] <Kilos> ian had it on kde as well but came right on its own
[06:55] <Kilos> sakis3g is all i could get working on kde except the nm sees the cellphone first time
[06:56] <Squirm> hi
[06:56] <Kilos> just doesnt even see 3g modem
[06:56] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[06:59] <Trixar_za> Happens. USB_Modeswitch recently updated so hopefully some of that will be fixed in newer linux distros
[06:59] <Trixar_za> It updated the 15th of last month, so it may have sneaked into the latest Ubuntu
[07:01] <Kilos> you think the debug package could help fix it?
[07:01] <Kilos> i got tons of 12.04 packages that saves me downloading
[07:02] <Kilos> can do clean install update/upgrade with 35 mB
[07:03] <inetpro> good morning
[07:03] <Kilos> hi inetpro lekker rain hey
[07:03] <Kilos> 18mm last night again
[07:13] <inetpro> Kilos: sjoe
[07:13]  * inetpro only had 5
[07:20] <Kilos> ai
[09:07]  * inetpro super upset
[09:09] <inetpro> someone stole my sons mobile phone out of his school bag this morning while he was playing games on the field
[09:17] <Kilos> eish
[09:46] <Kilos> hi psydroid
[09:59] <psydroid> hi Kilos
[10:01] <charlvn> good morning
[10:01] <charlvn> Maaz: coffee on
[10:01]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[10:02] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[10:02] <Maaz> Kilos: Done
[10:03] <Kilos> hey charlvn
[10:05] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charlvn and Kilos!
[10:06] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[10:06] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[10:20] <charlvn> hi Kilos
[10:20] <charlvn> Maaz: thanks
[10:20] <Maaz> charlvn: Sure
[10:37] <kapil> hi
[10:37] <Kilos> hi kapil
[10:37] <kapil> can i have use dreamweaver?
[10:38] <kapil> in ubuntu?
[10:38] <kapil> hi
[10:39] <Kilos> http://www.noob2geek.com/linux/how-to-install-and-run-dreamweaver-cs4-in-ubuntu/
[10:39] <kapil> hi
[10:39] <Kilos> hi again
[10:39] <Kilos> lol
[10:40] <Kilos> Maaz, google using dreamweaver in ubuntu
[10:40] <Maaz> Kilos: "How to install and run Dreamweaver CS4 in Ubuntu -- noob2geek" http://www.noob2geek.com/linux/how-to-install-and-run-dreamweaver-cs4-in-ubuntu/ :: "How To Install Dreamweaver CS3 In Ubuntu Hardy" http://maketecheasier.com/how-to-install-dreamweaver-cs3-in-ubuntu-hardy/2008/06/20 :: "Basic Web Development IDE/Editor like Dreamweaver? - Ask Ubuntu"
[10:40] <Maaz> http://askubuntu.com/questions/59632/basic-web-development-ide-editor-like-dreamweaver :: "Is there…
[10:40] <kapil> yes
[10:41] <Kilos> look at those links kapil , maybe you lucky
[10:41] <Kilos> where are you?
[10:41] <kapil> yes
[10:41] <kapil> where dowanload link?
[10:42] <Kilos> im sure one of the above links will explain it
[10:43] <kapil> kilos i can't found this link
[10:44] <kapil> plz one link for download
[10:44] <Kilos> http://maketecheasier.com/how-to-install-dreamweaver-cs3-in-ubuntu-hardy/2008/06/20
[10:44] <Kilos> i havent read them
[10:45] <Kilos> kapil, where are you?
[10:46] <kapil> yes
[10:46] <Kilos> yes what?
[10:46] <kapil> this is only insatll process... not a download
[10:46] <zeref> .....
[10:46] <zeref> kapil: what are you looking for?
[10:47] <Kilos> oh dont they explain how
[10:48] <Kilos> kapil, try this one http://www.unixmen.com/install-dreamweaver-cs4-in-ubuntudebian/
[10:49] <Kilos> zeref, he is looking for a dreamweaver download for ubuntu
[10:49] <charlvn> kapil: there are a ton of good open source alternatives that run natively on linux - http://askubuntu.com/questions/59632/basic-web-development-ide-editor-like-dreamweaver
[10:50] <charlvn> dreamweaver does not run nativley on linux which means you will need to run it inside a windows virtual machine or an emulator
[10:50] <charlvn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_Dreamweaver <- only lists Microsoft Windows and Mac OS X as supported platforms
[10:52] <Kilos> ty charlvn
[10:52] <kapil> sorry kilos
[10:52] <kapil> noting
[10:52] <Kilos> np kapil
[10:52] <Kilos> we try to help
[10:53] <Kilos> me anyway
[10:53] <Kilos> once again where are you?
[10:53] <charlvn> kapil: if you absolutely insist on running dreamweaver on wine then you can purchase + download dreamweaver from adobe.com
[10:53] <Kilos> first time here?
[10:53] <kapil> not a download file
[10:54] <charlvn> not sure what you mean
[10:56] <Kilos> only a free triasl version i find with maaz
[10:56] <Kilos> Maaz, google is dreamweaver free software
[10:56] <Maaz> Kilos: "HTML editor software, web design software | Adobe Dreamweaver ..." http://www.adobe.com/products/dreamweaver.html :: "Adobe - Download free trial version Adobe Dreamweaver CS6 | Adobe" http://www.adobe.com/go/devcenter_dw_try/ :: "Adobe Dreamweaver CS5.5 - CNET Download.com" http://download.cnet.com/Adobe-Dreamweaver-CS5-5/3000-10247_4-10013427.html ::
[10:56] <Maaz> "Free Web Design Software - As good as DreamWeaver - YouTube" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=…
[10:58] <kapil> yes but i have install in ubuntu
[10:59] <Kilos> using wine?
[11:00] <charlvn> kapil: dreamweaver is not free softwrae, it is a commercial product developed and sold by adobe
[11:01] <charlvn> kapil: in principle, it is possible to run it inside ubuntu, but you still need to pay for dreamweaver itself even though you run it inside an open source operating system
[11:03] <kapil> ok
[11:04] <charlvn> kapil: you can find out more about free and open source software on the wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_and_open-source_software
[11:05] <kapil> one question can i have use in editpluse?
[11:05] <charlvn> according to the wikipedia it only runs on windows: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EditPlus
[11:06] <charlvn> once again, you could try to run it inside of wine or windows in a VM
[11:06] <charlvn> but, i would recommend finding an open source alternative - there are a ton of really good editors for linux
[11:09] <charlvn> hi maiatoday
[11:09] <maiatoday> hi charlvn
[11:09] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday
[11:09] <maiatoday> hey Kilos
[11:14] <kapil> ok
[11:15] <Kilos> funny fella
[11:15] <Kilos> where are you --- yes
[11:16] <charlvn> Kilos: i don't think (s)he could speak english properly
[11:16] <charlvn> a problem in a (mainly) english-speaking channel :)
[11:17] <Kilos> ya but then say so
[11:17] <charlvn> yup
[11:17] <Kilos> we dont chase foreign peeps
[11:18] <charlvn> yeah weird
[11:18] <charlvn> yeah, besides, i am a "foreign" in this channel :)
[11:18] <charlvn> and i don't get chased out :P{
[11:18] <Kilos> lol was just gonna say we even keep you on
[11:18] <charlvn> :D
[11:23] <inetpro> hmm....
[11:24] <inetpro> who's chasing away foreigners?
[11:25] <inetpro> Kilos: while I'm having a quick lunch break I want to pick your brain on some farming issues :-)
[11:25] <inetpro> I have these dark green weeds taking over on my lawn, those that develop into thorny buggers
[11:26] <inetpro> not sure what they are called, but how do I get rid of them?
[11:26] <inetpro> apart from digging each and everyone of them out by the roots
[11:26] <tonberry352_> poison them?
[11:26] <inetpro> s/by the roots/with roots and all/
[11:27] <Kilos> what can i try help you with inetpro
[11:27] <Kilos> banweed
[11:27] <Kilos> kills most other weeds even bubbeltjies and not the lawn
[11:27] <inetpro> Kilos: that a poison of some sort?
[11:28] <Kilos> yip
[11:28] <inetpro> cool
[11:28]  * inetpro shall have to make a trip to the corporation and get that
[11:28] <Kilos> i think banweed is the only one that kills dubbeltjies
[11:29] <inetpro> this stuff has suddenly taken over my lawn with all the rain
[11:29]  * plustwo can use banweed to kill smoke weed...
[11:29] <inetpro> lol
[11:29] <Kilos> they make a long thick root thats hard to get out as it goes quite deep
[11:29] <inetpro> Kilos: exactly
[11:30] <Kilos> apart from banweed only way is to break a fork so only got 2 centre spines and then dig them out
[11:30] <Kilos> banweed kills from the leaves down
[11:30] <inetpro> what do you call dubbeltjies in english
[11:30] <tonberry352_> %&^*$%
[11:30] <tonberry352_> usually
[11:30] <Kilos> paper thorns methinks
[11:30]  * inetpro struggling to find a picture of these little weeds
[11:31] <tonberry352_> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/dubbeltjie
[11:31] <inetpro> ahh got it, http://content62.eol.org/content/2009/09/08/02/19818_580_360.jpg
[11:32] <inetpro> Alternanthera pungens
[11:33] <Kilos> see if wikipedia has what banweed kills
[11:33] <Kilos> all broadleaf stuff far as i member
[11:35] <inetpro> looks like I need a product containing Dicamba, 2-4D and MCPA
[11:36] <Kilos> are those dubbeltjies
[11:36] <Kilos> i think 2-4d has been banned hasnt it
[11:37] <inetpro> Kilos: I don't know what it's called locally but on the web you can also find it as Khaki bur weed
[11:38] <inetpro> Kilos: thanks
[11:39] <inetpro> at least I have a better idea now
[11:40] <Kilos> im sure banweed will kill that too inetpro and only yellow the grass for a while
[11:41] <Kilos> other poisons kill the grass too
[11:41] <inetpro> ok
[11:42] <Kilos> good luck. nothing worse that getting thorns in bare feed on your own lawn
[11:42] <inetpro> this stuff took over especially after the dry season killed a lot of the existing lawn
[11:42] <Kilos> first one foot then next step the other one so you hobble on heals
[11:42] <Kilos> hehe
[11:42] <Kilos> or sit and get them in bum too
[11:43] <inetpro> yep, I'll have to make a plan before they develop flowers and thorns
[11:43] <inetpro> still very green and soft now
[11:48] <Kilos> banweed is expensive though if i member right
[11:49] <Kilos> we dig them one by one now
[11:49] <Kilos> i think even checkers keeps it
[11:50] <inetpro> sjoe, sal kyk
[11:51] <Kilos> swwaar se dis bubbletjies
[11:51] <Kilos> swaar
[11:52] <Kilos> then banweed is definitlety the answer
[11:56] <inetpro> thanks
[11:59] <Kilos> yw
[12:26] <zeref> hmmm
[12:27] <zeref> i think our res admins are smoking some hashesh
[12:28] <zeref> eg: there are two types of single rooms: small and Extra large?
[12:29] <zeref> sharing rooms: small, medium and large????
[12:57] <Kilos> hello nlsthzn hows ya
[12:59] <nlsthzn> alo uncle Kilos
[12:59] <nlsthzn> I am good and you?
[12:59] <Kilos> good ty
[13:00] <Kilos> flu wearing out
[13:04] <nlsthzn> glad to hear
[13:06] <Kilos> ty
[13:14] <inetpro> Kilos: raining by you as well?
[13:14] <Kilos> yeah just had about 3 mm
[13:15] <inetpro> small hail just came down here in the city for just about a minute or less
[13:15] <Kilos> bmg505, have you hams got a way of checking if someone is still alive
[13:16] <Kilos> old hams i mean
[13:17] <Kilos> ZS5RX
[13:18] <inetpro> Kilos: what are you talking about?
[13:19] <Kilos> amateaur radio peeps
[13:19] <Kilos> called hams
[13:19] <inetpro> ahh
[13:19] <Kilos> dunno why its called amateur radio. the mostly clued up guys
[13:30] <Kerbero> o
[13:30] <Kerbero> cq? cq?
[13:31] <Kerbero> ds zs1jpm
[13:31] <Kerbero> Kilos, don't really know
[13:32] <Kilos> hehe
[13:32] <Kilos> cq dx
[13:32] <Kerbero> but if a quy goes silent key (euphemism for dead) it is published in the radio ZS
[13:32] <Kilos> brings back memories from way back then
[13:33] <zeref> hmmm
[13:33] <Kilos> Kerbero, you one too?
[13:34] <Kilos> goodness me
[13:34] <Kerbero> jip
[13:34] <Kerbero> from there the "ds zs1jpm"
[13:34] <Kerbero> if i have the sintax correnct now
[13:34] <Kilos> ya
[13:36] <Kilos> so look inna book sometime and see if ZS5RX is still alive please
[13:37] <Kerbero> yeah i had the sintax wrong
[13:37] <Kerbero> *de
[13:37] <Kerbero> de zs1jpm
[13:37] <Kilos> he must be a real ballie by now
[13:37] <Kerbero> ok
[13:37] <Kilos> ty
[13:37] <Kerbero> http://www.sarl.org.za/callresponse.asp?Callsign=ZS6RX
[13:38] <Kerbero> it would seem so yes
[13:38] <Kerbero> zs6rx is his new call sign
[13:38] <Kilos> thats 6 no 5
[13:38] <Kilos> he was in natal
[13:38] <Kilos> near where magespawn is now
[13:40] <Kerbero> Old Callsign = ZS5RX, New Callsign = ZS6RX
[13:40] <Kerbero> according to the database
[13:41] <Kilos> oh my goodness how can they change it
[13:41] <Kilos> do they change if you move
[13:43] <Kilos> wow the internet clever hey
[13:43] <Kerbero> yes
[13:43] <Kerbero> different number for almost every province
[13:43] <Kilos> pity they dont give an email addy for him
[13:43] <Kerbero> i am 1 as i am in the western cape
[13:44] <Kilos> 6 must be tvl
[13:45] <Kerbero> maar hulle gee die posadres, so is dit nie genoeg nie?
[13:45] <Kilos> waar
[13:45] <Kilos> wag ek lees mooi weer
[13:46] <Kilos> o ja
[13:47] <Kilos> epos beter. slakke pos baie werk
[13:54] <Kilos> nou sous dit hier
[13:56] <Kerbero> pap en sous
[13:56] <Kerbero> seker darm nie so erg soos in new york nie
[13:57] <Kilos> nee dit lyk sleg daar
[14:01] <Kilos> 7 mm in 10 mins
[14:02] <Kilos> lekker for us
[14:02] <Kilos> must be by goosies place now
[14:02] <Kilos> blew that way
[14:02] <Kilos> gonna water his dubbeltjies
[14:05] <zeref> dmesg
[14:36] <Kilos> wow im still getting feedback on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/848164
[14:37] <Kilos> auto connect still not sorted in 12.04
[14:37] <Kilos> they say the workaround im using is ok but not good enough
[14:37] <Kilos> its supposed to work
[14:38] <Kilos> hey tumbleweed where you now?
[14:38] <inetpro> Kilos: I guess he is in Copenhagen, Denmark
[14:39] <Kilos> whew globetrotter
[14:39] <inetpro> Ubuntu Developer Summit (UDS) 29 Oct - 1 Nov
[14:40] <Kilos> gee i hope they fix the nm
[14:40] <Kilos> was a poor show on 12.04
[14:42] <inetpro> programme for today: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-r/2012-10-30/
[14:59] <kbmonkey> hello
[15:07] <tumbleweed> Kilos: yeah, copenhagen
[15:08] <Kilos> enjoy tumbleweed
[15:28] <kbmonkey> how is it going Kilos and tumbleweed ?
[15:28] <Kilos> hi there kbmonkey wb
[15:28] <Kilos> im ok ty and you
[15:28] <Kilos> the weed far away
[15:29] <Kilos> copenhagen
[15:29] <Kilos> dev week
[15:29] <kbmonkey> its a good thing they have irc there too ;)
[15:29] <Kilos> lol
[15:29] <Kilos> he got a fancy fone with ubuntu on
[15:30] <kbmonkey> *jealous face*
[15:30] <Kilos> haha
[15:31] <Kilos> you well kbmonkey ?
[15:32] <Kilos> you really gotta sort that job of yours out so you get irc anytime
[15:32] <kbmonkey> yes Kilos. but it does not feel there is enough time in the day to play on linux ;)
[15:32] <Kilos> what kinda geek are you
[15:32] <Kilos> lol
[15:32] <Kilos> tough in africa
[15:32] <kbmonkey> they went on to some hosted proxy so now everything is blocked :(
[15:33] <Kilos> hack it
[15:33] <Kilos> or bypass it
[15:34] <kbmonkey> the building has some radiation-proof shielding so not even phone can get online
[15:34] <Kilos> hmm
[15:34] <kbmonkey> *probably bad signal but that sounds cooler
[15:35] <charlvn> D
[15:35] <charlvn> :D
[15:35] <Kilos> run your own cable out ore use lotsa blueteeth things
[15:35] <charlvn> radiation proof shielding... i was about to ask where you work :)
[15:35] <Kilos> hehe
[15:35] <charlvn> for which government installation are you at
[15:36] <kbmonkey> the one where all the aliens work ;)
[15:36] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[15:36] <Kilos> ET fone home
[15:37] <kbmonkey> et fone irc
[15:37] <kbmonkey> hey wasn't ET a monkey?!
[15:51] <Kilos> no man he was an alien
[15:52] <Kilos> Hodgestar, did you win with 12.10?
[15:54] <Kilos> ya Banlam bakuman wen julle
[15:54] <Kilos> ya/ja
[15:54] <Kilos> daai ding
[15:56] <tumbleweed> kbmonkey: not bad at all
[16:05] <Kilos> hehe superfly i have 0AD running but very slow. cpu set to 3.2g and 1.5gB ram
[16:05] <Kilos> what kinda pc does it wanna see
[16:06] <superfly> Kilos: probably something with a better graphics card
[16:06] <Kilos> got that nvidia fx 5500
[16:06] <superfly> Kilos: see if you can go into the settings and lower the graphics
[16:06] <superfly> hrm... that should be OK
[16:06] <superfly> Kilos: using the proprietary drivers?
[16:07] <Kilos> yip nvidia 173
[16:07] <Kilos> the settings button doesnt give much . check blocks for shadows etc. tried them all
[16:08] <Kilos> maybe looking in wrong place
[16:08] <Kilos> but seems a lot like aoe and i think i will enjoy it
[16:08] <Hodgestar> Kilos: Mediumly. I'm using Gnome Shell at the moment.
[16:08] <Hodgestar> Kilos: It's been okay so far.
[16:09] <Kilos> lol Hodgestar you also not a unity fan
[16:09] <Kilos> hehe
[16:09] <Kilos> im getting used to it
[16:09] <Hodgestar> I'm fine with the concept of Unity, it's just the execution that I'm unhappy with.
[16:10] <Kilos> the dash thing
[16:10] <Kilos> it is a bit wasteful timewise needing to click twice what used to be 1 click
[16:11] <Kilos> but they must have a plan in mind
[16:11] <Kilos> so will follow and see
[16:22] <Kilos> wbb
[17:26] <smileE17> hi :)
[17:37] <zeref> hurrmmmmm
[17:43] <smileE17> hi oom kilos :p
[17:44] <Kilos> hi smileE17
[17:44] <smileE17> do you like 'oom kilos' or should i just say 'kilos' :
[17:44] <smileE17> :p
[17:44] <Kilos> lol doesnt matter to me laddy
[17:44] <Kilos> you all my friends
[17:44] <smileE17> okay :)
[17:45] <charlvn> good evening
[17:45] <charlvn> hi smileE17, Kilos, zeref, Hodgestar
[17:45] <Kilos> its part of our culture/upbringing in south africa
[17:45] <smileE17> hi charlvn :D
[17:45] <Kilos> if someone is 10 years or more older than you you call him oom/uncle
[17:45] <smileE17> Kilos: should I take news24 for truuth? :p
[17:45] <Kilos> hi charlvn
[17:46] <Kilos> news24?
[17:46] <charlvn> smileE17: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ballie
[17:46] <zeref> smileE17: depends
[17:46] <Kilos> lol
[17:46] <smileE17> thank you, charlvn :)
[17:46] <charlvn> smileE17: i'm saying this under correction but afaik the news in south africa is government censored
[17:47] <Kilos> mosdtyly ya
[17:47] <charlvn> smileE17: i look at international media more for objective news about south africa
[17:47] <Kilos> whew
[17:47] <Kilos> mostly
[17:47] <smileE17> charlvn: what about todays news article at news24 about the percentages of white/black/other people?
[17:48] <charlvn> smileE17: for example: http://youtu.be/YUGiKFDfW_4
[17:48] <smileE17> See http://afrikaans.news24.com/Suid-Afrika/Nuus/Byna-80-van-SA-bevolking-is-swart-20121030
[17:48] <Kilos> thats about right
[17:48] <smileE17> Okay :)
[17:48] <Kilos> whites are in the minority
[17:48] <charlvn> smileE17: the authority on those matters is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistics_South_Africa
[17:49]  * smileE17 is in the minority :(
[17:49] <Kilos> hehe
[17:49] <charlvn> from the wikipedia article: "Statistics South Africa has been criticized for not producing accurate figures on immigration[2] and inflation.[3]"
[17:49] <charlvn> but that on its own doesn't say much
[17:50] <smileE17> well they just aren't too well organised, I think :p
[17:50] <charlvn> smileE17: also see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_South_Africa#Racial_groups
[17:50] <smileE17> otherwise they could produce those numbers
[17:50] <smileE17> charlvn: thank you, you are very kind :)
[17:50] <charlvn> not 100% sure about accuracy but 80% sounds about right to me
[17:51] <Kilos> maybe more. last i heard we were under 4 mill
[17:51] <Kilos> and total over 40 mill
[17:51] <charlvn> well that's about 10% whites, but that makes sense
[17:51] <charlvn> there is about 10% of non-whites non-blacks
[17:51] <Kilos> quite a few indians in between
[17:52] <charlvn> mostly the so-called "coloureds" and indians yes
[17:53] <smileE17> :)
[17:53] <smileE17> how did your day go, Kilos & charlvn ? :)
[17:53] <charlvn> good good, very productive actually
[17:53] <Kilos> good ty smileE17
[17:53] <Kilos> just 0AD is slow
[17:54] <Kilos> will look into it next month
[17:54] <charlvn> 0AD?
[17:54] <Kilos> zero AD
[17:54] <Kilos> game in repos
[17:54] <charlvn> ah ok
[17:54] <charlvn> never played it
[17:54] <Kilos> like aoe
[17:54] <charlvn> brb
[17:54] <Kilos> actually looks promising
[17:55] <smileE17> charlvn: what did you do today? :p
[17:55] <Kilos> he worked
[17:55] <smileE17> Kilos: have you tried to play it? :P
[17:55] <Kilos> yip smileE17
[17:55] <Kilos> very slow
[17:55] <smileE17> that's sad. how was the story line?
[17:55] <Kilos> like AOE3 on slow pc
[17:56] <Kilos> looks good. lotsa options
[17:57] <smileE17> open source? :)
[17:57] <Kilos> will work out how to get to their irc channel next month
[17:57] <Kilos> ya in ubuntu repos
[17:57] <Kilos> wait ill get you a link
[17:58] <Kilos> http://wildfiregames.com/0ad/
[17:58]  * smileE17 looks :P
[17:58] <smileE17> (with SeaMonkey o.O)
[17:59] <smileE17> Looks good :p
[17:59] <smileE17> => http://www.muktware.com/4709/how-nexus-10-beats-ipad-and-microsoft-surface :p lol, android is just better
[17:59] <smileE17> :p
[17:59] <Kilos> yeah once i sort the speed i think i will enjoy it
[18:01] <smileE17> I rarely play games :p but yeah, they can be good and they can be worse
[18:01] <Kilos> lol
[18:02] <Kilos> good for passing time when you trying to stretch data
[18:02] <smileE17> Well I edit articles on wikipedia when I don't know what to do
[18:02] <smileE17> :)
[18:03] <Kilos> hehe
[18:04] <charlvn> smileE17: i did some web service related stuff with jdeveloper today - i also made this customised splash screen: http://i.imgur.com/ma8R9.png
[18:04] <charlvn> that after having a few weird bugs with the built-in version control
[18:04] <smileE17> It's "laughfull" :P
[18:05] <smileE17> :)
[18:05] <charlvn> :)
[18:06] <smileE17> how do you say "laughfull" in good English? :p
[18:06] <Kilos> laughable
[18:06] <charlvn> not sure, i think they just say it's "very funny"
[18:06] <Kilos> ya
[18:06] <Kilos> hilarious
[18:07] <smileE17> okay :)
[18:07] <smileE17> thanks
[18:09] <charlvn> ok i'm going to buy a pizza now and then watch the new episode of mädchen und panzer
[18:09] <charlvn> bbl :)
[18:09] <Kilos> lol
[18:15] <smileE17> delicious :D
[18:26] <charlvn> ok i got a pizza calzone but i forgot to order extra neushoorn :D
[18:35] <charlvn> smileE17: here is mandatory cultural education for you: http://youtu.be/ODR_Bz6dP_c http://youtu.be/dW8F9WhOpRs http://youtu.be/RVdy4kaUbh8
[18:36] <charlvn> there is also some rhinohorn in there
[18:36] <inetpro> good evening
[18:36] <Kilos> lo inetpro
[18:37] <charlvn> hi inetpro
[18:38] <smileE17> I'll watch it later, charlvn :p
[18:38] <charlvn> it's 90 minutes so when you have time :P
[18:39] <Kilos> what you punishing him with charlvn ?
[18:39] <charlvn> Kilos: here comes UNTAG :P
[18:39] <Kilos> lol
[18:40] <charlvn> the rhinohorn got me going
[18:41] <charlvn> :D
[18:41] <charlvn> ok bbl
[18:41] <Kilos> k
[19:02] <inetpro> Kilos: ^^... Happy?
[19:03] <Kilos> hmmm well done inetpro
[19:03] <inetpro> lol
[19:03] <Kilos> ty very much
[19:03] <inetpro> groot plesier oom
[19:08] <Kilos> Maaz, seen magespawn
[19:08] <Maaz> Kilos: magespawn was last seen 4 days, 2 hours, 50 minutes and 16 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2012-10-26 09:17:47 PDT], and has been online on freenode since 2012-10-18 04:49:47 PDT
[19:08] <Kilos> wow he is getting outa hand
[19:09] <smileE17> how do I say "handled" in afrikaans? "Afgehandel"?
[19:09] <Kilos> yip
[19:10] <Kilos> hi SmilyBorg_h
[19:11] <smileE17> http://af.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bespreking:1._FC_Heidenheim_1846 :D
[19:11] <Kilos> hi magtie
[19:11] <magtie> hi kilos
[19:11] <Kilos> night owls all of you
[19:11] <inetpro> smileE17: context?
[19:14] <smileE17> inetpro: well I fixed a broken link :p
[19:14] <smileE17> error 404, you know :)
[19:14] <smileE17> (actually, I didn't fix anything. It was already done)
[19:16] <inetpro> smileE17: ahh. Maak sin.
[19:17] <Kilos> smileE17, saying the matter has been handled is
[19:17] <Kilos> die saak is afgehandel
[19:17] <smileE17> Maak sin? :p
[19:18] <Kilos> reg ne inetpro ?
[19:18] <smileE17> moet ek 'n sin maak? :p
[19:18] <inetpro> smileE17: makes sense
[19:18] <Kilos> maak sin meens makes sense
[19:18] <Kilos> means
[19:18] <smileE17> aha. :)
[19:19] <Kilos> sin=sense+sentence
[19:19] <smileE17> ;)
[19:21] <inetpro> maak zin
[19:21] <Kilos> hehe
[19:21] <Kilos> dont confuss him now
[19:21] <inetpro> lol
[19:24] <charlvn> in dutch you say "het klopt" if it makes sense
[19:24] <Trixar_za> http://trixarian.net/BlueBulls.jpg
[19:25] <Trixar_za> Such a shame they fixed that
[19:25] <Trixar_za> :(
[19:25] <charlvn> Trixar_za: awesome!!!
[19:26] <charlvn> if you say "ik heb er zin in" it means i would want to do it / like it
[19:26] <charlvn> a little different meaning :)
[19:29] <Kilos> ok peeps. sleep tight
[19:29] <smileE17> jaa :p het maakt zin :p
[19:29] <charlvn> nn Kilos
[19:29] <Kilos> see ya morrow
[19:29] <smileE17> @ charlvn :p
[19:29] <smileE17> goodnight Kilos :)
[19:29] <charlvn> lol smileE17
[19:29]  * Kilos waves
[19:29]  * smileE17 waves back
[19:29]  * smileE17 leaves too
[19:29] <smileE17> bye
[19:29] <smileE17> :)
[19:30] <charlvn> ciao smileE17
[19:30] <charlvn> me three
[19:30] <charlvn> nn all
[21:17] <Vince-0> bed time whoot!


[14:27]  * Laney grumbles at broken udt stuffs
[14:29] <tumbleweed> right, i never got there last night
[14:29] <tumbleweed> bdrung: what was your problem with the formatting from logging?
[14:29] <Laney> seems like it would have been nice to check that nothing got broken before updating devscripts
[14:29] <tumbleweed> I can go with that :P
[15:26] <Adri2000> is it a problem that an uploader uses obviously a nickname instead of his realname in debian/changelog?
[15:30] <Zhenech> not in debian
[15:31] <Laney> no, I don't think so
[15:31] <micahg> as long as the e-mail address is valid, I don't see a problem
[15:33] <tumbleweed> I do encourage people to use real names, when sponsoring their uploads
[15:34] <xnox> Adri2000: they do and should if they are under 18
[15:35] <ogra_> uploader entires are usually tied to a gpg key ... hard to get that signed if you dont use a real name
[15:36] <ogra_> (at leas it should be hard to get signed :) )
[15:36] <micahg> ogra_: if it's sponsored, it shouldn't matter (it's signed by the sponsor)
[15:36] <micahg> but, I think encouraging real names is a good thing
[15:37] <ogra_> well, the original request said uploaders
[15:37] <ogra_> yeah, ++
[15:46] <Adri2000> yeah, the context is about sponsoring an upload of someone not using his real name
[20:25] <mint> could you help me, please?
[20:26] <mint> is someone there?
[20:46] <bdrung> tumbleweed: it added stuff that i didn't want to the output and/or printed it on the wrong output (stdout/stderr)
[20:53] <aboudreault> can I use quilt import with a patch that contains a new file?
[20:54] <aboudreault> or I have to pre-add that file in a patch before
[21:06] <jtaylor> new files are fine


[13:56] <extorr> When I go to Desktop Settings by right clicking on th background, go to the Advanced tab and then check "Show menus provided by window managers when desktop is clicked" it then enters a buggy stage where right clicking the desktop brings up the menu but clicking an item on the mnu results in: failed to execute child process "lxsession-default" (No such file or directory). When I uncheck that then I can reach Desktop Preferences just fine by clicking
[13:56] <extorr> on the desktop wallpaper....
[15:32] <nmzm> Hello everyone :) Guys do you know how can I point a path to header files for gcc? I've compiled a new version of libsdl, but I don't want to install it globally
[15:33] <nmzm> LD_LIBRARY_PATH will help with that?
[16:34] <Noboru55> wxl hello, sadly the 19.10 works slow here... i had to back to 18.04
[16:34] <Noboru55> and i did not like that qt...
[16:35] <Noboru55> i continue with the same problem, that gvfs mount the iphone folders twice
[16:36] <Noboru55> but when i used the 19.0 it did not happen in qt
[16:37] <Noboru55> only in lxde i get the double-mounted iphone device... it does not happen to usb and external drivers, only for iphone devices...
[16:37] <Noboru55> =/
[19:52] <alex76> Hi, someone can help me to troubleshoot lubuntu installation? It freezes when i click on "install lubuntu" without giving me error messages
[19:52] <alex76> any advice?
[19:54] <wxl> which version?
[19:55] <alex76> i tried with lubuntu-16.04.3-desktop-i386 and lubuntu-18.04-alternate-i386
[19:55] <wxl> 16 isn't supported
[19:55] <wxl> did you check the hashes of 18?
[19:56] <alex76> no
[19:56] <wxl> then there's no reason to assume that's not your problem
[19:56] <alex76> what i have to do?
[19:56] <wxl> !md5
[19:58] <alex76> i try it now
[20:04] <alex76> https://i.gyazo.com/28cda010fceda9273ba32cb82c4860fb.png
[20:04] <alex76> md5 is correct
[20:05] <wxl> ok now boot it up and at the bootloader run the "check disc for defects" menu option
[20:05] <alex76> ok
 How to install dnscrypt proxy on ubuntu? … Anyone have tried?
[20:06] <alex76> wxl is it normal that it takes some minutes?
[20:07] <wxl> alex76: yep
[20:07] <wxl> @QDrive https://github.com/DNSCrypt/dnscrypt-proxy/wiki/Installation-on-Debian-and-Ubuntu#ubuntu
[20:07] <alex76> it's freezed in the menu
[20:07] <wxl> alex76: if it is indeed frozen, then you either (a) have a hardware problem which no software can fix or (b) you have a copy error and will need to re-copy the iso to the installation media
[20:08] <alex76> i think B, because on the laptop is installed windows vista
[20:09] <alex76> and it works
[20:09] <wxl> "it works" doesn't mean it is free of defects
[20:09] <wxl> unless that "check disc defects" is successful, it would be unreasonable to assume it is indeed without fail
[20:09] <resonance> find . -name '*.mp3'  |  xargs -I -n1 mv ~/Desktop/mp3s
[20:10] <resonance> why wont that work
[20:10] <wxl> however we have confirmed you have the right iso, so you don't have a download error
[20:10] <alex76> ok... so can i check for defects with the current windows installed?
[20:10] <alex76> or i have to try something else(?)
[20:12] <wxl> there are instructions for using dd with some hashing algorithm to verify the installation media
[20:12] <wxl> it's on that same link i sent
[20:12] <wxl> aw man i'm sad resonance left. that was a fun one.
[20:15] <alex76>  https://github.com/DNSCrypt/dnscrypt-proxy/wiki/Installation-on-Debian-and-Ubuntu#ubuntu this one?
[20:15] <wxl> no, the one you used to check the md5 (that's the name of the hashing algorithm)
[20:15] <wxl> you'll probably need to download dd if you're on windows
[20:16] <alex76> ok, sorry i'm tired today.. now I try to do it
[20:51] <alex76> wxl it takes so many time sigh
[21:18] <mawlee> oooooooooooo
[21:18] <mawlee> ur mom
 @wxl [<wxl> @QDrive https://github.com/DNSCrypt/dnscrypt-proxy/wiki/Installation-on-De …], Its no update but i make issue for that tutorial, confusing to be follow, for noob (me)
 @QDrive [Its no update but i make issue for that tutorial, confusing to be follow, for no …], It's asking to install a single package so I'm not sure why it's confusing
 @wxl23 [It's asking to install a single package so I'm not sure why it's confusing], Config .toml is different now,
 @QDrive [Config .toml is different now,], You mean the configuration tutorial is problematic then, not installation
 @wxl23 [You mean the configuration tutorial is problematic then, not installation], Ups sorry, Yeah i mean configuration tutorial,
 In wiki said <IP_ADDRESS>,  … i follow from googling blog, say change dns to <IP_ADDRESS>
 @wxl23 [You mean the configuration tutorial is problematic then, not installation], Because installation and configuration in the same page,
 (Photo, 800x450) https://i.imgur.com/fWu9glM.jpg mozilla firefox always not responding, … before this i run chrome 5 tabs, some terminal but not active, behavior: i tried open link from application
 Computer hang, cannot do anything, ☹
 (Photo, 800x450) https://i.imgur.com/wM10mpF.jpg before crash, i click lxqt.org
 @QDrive [<reply to image>], What version?
 Lubuntu 19.10 … Firefox 69.0.3  … Chrome 80
 I tried again with less tab browser same issue, web open just loading and mouse shuttering
 @QDrive how much RAM and what processor do you have? The modern web is very taxing these days.


[09:59] <thesaltydog> hi... which is the policy to include a package in Rosetta?
[10:14] <thesaltydog> anybody here?
[10:28] <Luciph3r> a tutti : buonasera


[06:08] <TheMuso> c
[06:18] <BigWhale> Good Morning everyone.
[06:19] <mlankhorst> morning!
[06:34] <pitti> Good morning
[06:38] <BigWhale> Who do I vent to if I want to vent about Nautilus? :/
[07:47] <jibel> good morning
[07:48] <didrocks> salut jibel
[07:48] <jibel> bonjour didrocks
[07:49]  * didrocks grrr at magners
[08:02] <jpds> Anyone else have problems on raring where a full-screen application, isn't really full-screen?
[08:03] <didrocks> jpds: yeah, known issue, fixed in trunk, waiting for mterry to publish unity
[08:37] <tjaalton> didrocks: hey, who was it again that was supposed to look into the issue where some unity/compiz settings get reset on upgrade?
[08:38] <didrocks> tjaalton: I think smspillaz had an idea on what is causing it
[08:38] <tjaalton> ah
[08:39] <tjaalton> ok I'll ping him later
[08:40] <didrocks> :)
[08:55] <pitti> RAOF: are you aware of the colord autopkgtest failure? looks like colord has FTBFSed for a while
[08:55] <RAOF> pitti: No, I'm not; also, I see the most recent colord in my archives?
[08:55] <pitti> some CDSensor.../ cd_sensor_* unknown symbols
[08:56] <pitti> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Raring/view/AutoPkgTest/job/raring-adt-colord/11/ARCH=i386,label=adt/artifact/results/log
[08:59] <RAOF> Looks like it's pretending to be on kFreeBSD?
[08:59] <seb128> hey desktopers
[08:59] <pitti> bonjour seb128
[08:59] <RAOF> pitti: Why hasn't that stopped propagation from raring-proposed to raring?
[08:59] <pitti> RAOF: britney doesnt' look at autopkgtest yet
[09:00] <seb128> salut pitti
[09:00] <RAOF> Aha, that would be why.
[09:00] <seb128> hey RAOF
[09:00] <RAOF> Ok, I'll look at colord tomorrow. I've been meaning to make that autopkgtest a bit more awesome anyway.
[09:01] <RAOF> pitti: Thanks!
[09:01] <pitti> ah, thanks!
[09:03] <Laney> hallo!
[09:04] <pitti> hey Laney
[09:06] <seb128> hey Laney
[09:06] <Laney> hey pitti, seb128
[09:06] <Laney> did you have good weekends?
[09:06] <pitti> quite fine indeed, thanks! and you?
[09:06] <seb128> w.e was quite ok here, weather was grey and rainy though
[09:07] <Laney> not so bad, managed to get out on the bike in the gaps in the rain
[09:07] <pitti> it was actually quite sunny here (but cold)
[09:07] <pitti> sunny enough for ice cream, anyway (inside)
[09:08] <pitti> but it's swowing again now, yay
[09:08] <pitti> snowing, too
[09:09] <Laney> spring starts on Wednesday, no fear ;-)
[09:10] <mlankhorst> :D
[09:10]  * mlankhorst sends waves of snow Laney's way
[09:11] <Laney> :<
[09:14] <mlankhorst> spring soon!
[09:14] <mlankhorst> lets wrap up this winter
[09:49] <czajkowski> morning folks
[09:50] <czajkowski> would anyone be able to share any light on why I do an update on Raring, it's breaking my virtual Box so I have to kick it each time via http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5624797/
[09:51] <ogra_> czajkowski, #ubuntu-kernel perhaps ?
[09:51] <czajkowski> ok cheers ogra_
[09:51] <ogra_> looks like a module issue
[09:52] <mitya57> let's have virtualbox broken in every release!
[09:52]  * mitya57 wonders when will someone sponsor lp:~mitya57/ubuntu/precise/virtualbox/4.1.12-dfsg-2ubuntu0.3 for him
[10:14] <jibel> didrocks, I filed bug 1156540 for the issue we had this morning
[10:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1156540 in cowdancer (Ubuntu) "cowdancer deletes bind-mounted directories" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1156540
[10:15] <didrocks> jibel: merci!
[10:18] <czajkowski> didrocks: any idea where to send mitya57 to so they can get their branch sponsored
[10:19] <didrocks> czajkowski: sorry, do you have some context? :-) which projects?
[10:19] <czajkowski> 09:52 < mitya57> let's have virtualbox broken in every release!
[10:19] <czajkowski> 09:52  * mitya57 wonders when will someone sponsor lp:~mitya57/ubuntu/precise/virtualbox/4.1.12-dfsg-2ubuntu0.3 for him
[10:19] <Laney> it's already in the sponsor queue
[10:19] <didrocks> czajkowski: they should just follow the sponsorship process :)
[10:19] <didrocks> ah, so it's already in the queue :)
[10:20] <czajkowski> Laney: didrocks cheers I didn't know :)
[10:20] <Laney> someone will get to it soon; four days isn't overly long to wait (unfortunately?)
[10:20] <didrocks> :)
[10:26] <mitya57> that's not urgent for me (at all), but the large sponsoring queue %Bis%B a problem
[10:27] <mitya57> oops, that was *is* :)
[10:27] <seb128> mitya57, the sponsoring queue is sort of under control
[10:27] <seb128> it was close from 40 items on friday
[10:28] <mlankhorst> \o/
[10:28] <seb128> with a stack of "needs packaging" bugs
[10:29] <pitti> robru, didrocks: oh, friends is apparently part of the daily autolanding -- how does one fix the broken autopkgtests?
[10:29] <pitti> I guess I shouldn't just manually upload?
[10:29] <didrocks> pitti: just propose a branch upstream :)
[10:29] <didrocks> and it will be in tomorrow daily release, published if ken acks it
[10:29] <pitti> didrocks: oh, is the packaging part of the upstream branch?
[10:29] <didrocks> pitti: right
[10:29] <pitti> urgh
[10:30] <pitti> didrocks: d'accord, merci !
[10:30] <didrocks> pitti: de rien :)
[10:30] <didrocks> pitti: make dist doesn't dist the pakcaging
[10:30] <didrocks> but I don't have the time to give the full rationale again :)
[10:30] <pitti> no worries
[10:37] <didrocks> pitti: python3-dbusmock is in universe, do you think it can go to main?
[10:37] <pitti> didrocks: bug 1154126
[10:37] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1154126 in python-dbusmock (Ubuntu) "[MIR] python-dbusmock" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1154126
[10:38] <pitti> it was approved, so feel free to promote
[10:38] <didrocks> excellent! :)
[10:38] <didrocks> thanks pitti. Will promote once indicator-messages published
[10:38] <didrocks> pitti: because it already happened more than once that prepromotion was demoted…
[10:57] <pitti> robru, kenvandine: https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/friends/fix-autopkgtest/+merge/153749, s'il vous plaît
[11:49] <lool> tjaalton: Hey, since recent updates xrandr detects a VGA display attached on my laptop, but nothing is connected; how could I check whether this is kernel or xorg related?
[11:50] <lool> I've read dmesg, but I wasn't able to spot informtion from the i915 logs
[11:50] <tjaalton> lool: it's a kernel regression, 20afbda209d708 is needed from linus
[11:50] <tjaalton> boot -12, it should work
[11:50] <lool> tjaalton: ok, so known/reported and being fixed already, thanks
[11:50] <tjaalton> known, not fixed yet
[11:51] <lool> tjaalton: is this something we could auto-test for?  I guess it's super hardware specific
[11:51] <tjaalton> lool: aiui it's oly on gen4 hw, what do you have?
[11:52] <tjaalton> *only
[11:52] <tjaalton> yeah dunno how to autotest hw specific stuff, other than having each gen represented in some lab
[11:53] <lool> tjaalton: I have super old intel
[11:53] <lool> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07)
[11:53] <lool> not sure how to find a more useful name for it
[11:54] <tjaalton> yeah it's fourth generation
[11:55] <lool> Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 4500MHD
[11:55] <tjaalton> the kernel stable series picked up an incomplete set of patches to fix some bug, missing this commit
[11:56] <lool> tjaalton: just curious, are we testing new kernel / xorg stacks against all hardware revisions in our cert lab?
[11:57] <tjaalton> don't think so
[11:57] <tjaalton> probably should know though :)
[11:57] <lool> sounds bad not to leverage this to try to catch bugs
[11:58] <lool> (even if this particular bug might not be covered because we might not have this particular class of hardware)
[12:06] <didrocks> xnox: hey, do you know when steve or anyone on your team will look at the ubuntu-platform source?
[12:06] <didrocks> xnox: as it's the first one, maybe would be better to get this one in first :)
[12:06] <xnox> didrocks: ack. I think it will end up being me doing all the vorlon's tasks on that blueprint.
[12:07] <didrocks> xnox: well, at least, you will bring consistency between MP :)
[12:07] <xnox> didrocks: I did this one as "simple" trial run. Will look at others in a moment ;-)
[12:07] <didrocks> xnox: I don't really have time to review them right now properly (but feel free to continue, first look, it sounds fine)
[12:07] <didrocks> thanks xnox :)
[12:07] <didrocks> xnox: oh, i'm a little bit pendantic about on dep per line though
[12:08] <didrocks> xnox: and trailing , so that next diff doesn't have 2 lines when adding something
[12:08] <xnox> didrocks: ack. ack. Not sure who is doing MIR to land it into raring though. I believe vorlon volunteered, and not sure if that got delegated yet or not.
[12:08] <didrocks> also, you miss the info on debian/control
[12:08] <xnox> didrocks: patches to wrap and sort are welcome!
[12:08]  * xnox did run it... unless you want further tweaks to it.
[12:08] <xnox> wrap-and-sort --didrocks-mode
[12:09] <xnox> aliased to --pedantic
[12:09] <didrocks> xnox: well, the rest sounds fine, I would appreciate if you have the time to finish this :-)
[12:09] <didrocks> xnox: can wrote the comment on the MP, one sec
[12:13] <didrocks> xnox: commented :)
[12:14] <xnox> didrocks: thanks a lot ! will fix up.
[12:14] <didrocks> xnox: thanks to you :-)
[12:29] <seb128> mitya57, it's fine to use the serie name without -proposed for SRUs nowadays
[12:29] <seb128> just for info
[12:30] <mitya57> seb128: thanks, I forgot about that
[13:03] <kenvandine> pitti, thanks!
[13:03] <pitti> hey kenvandine, how are you?
[13:03] <kenvandine> great
[13:03] <kenvandine> and you?
[13:05] <pitti> I'm getting a cold (argh), but otherwise quite well
[13:05] <seb128> kenvandine, hey, had a good w.e?
[13:05] <kenvandine> i did
[13:06] <pitti> kenvandine: does the CI test run again automatically? I added a commit message back then and clicked on that jenkins link, but I didn't see another test run
[13:06] <kenvandine> no, but the ci test did show success.  so i marked it as approved
[13:06] <kenvandine> so the merger will run
[13:07] <kenvandine> didrocks, do you know if we'll see an update of ubuntu-ui-toolkit for raring?
[13:38] <didrocks> kenvandine: not sure, quite busy with other stuffs, why?
[13:38] <didrocks> kenvandine: something to ask to cyphermox who is in charge of his stack
[13:44] <kenvandine> didrocks, it includes styling changes to PageStack that i need for gwibber
[13:44] <kenvandine> and i am going to file an MIR for that today :)
[13:44] <kenvandine> although i haven't really looked at the packaging yet...
[13:45] <kenvandine> cyphermox, ^^
[13:45] <didrocks> kenvandine: btw webapps… still in manual publishing mode for days and days :/
[13:45] <didrocks> despite the pings
[13:45] <didrocks> (not really happy)
[13:46] <kenvandine> didrocks, you mean the package split?
[13:46] <didrocks> kenvandine: no, the daily release job
[13:46] <kenvandine> i'm looking, i thought i manually published that already
[13:47] <didrocks> thanks kenvandine
[13:47] <didrocks> kenvandine: it looks wrong to me looking at it btw
[13:47] <didrocks> kenvandine: the change in symbols was done manually, not automatically
[13:47] <didrocks> and list a version > of the changelog one
[13:47] <didrocks> it should have been 0replaceme
[13:47] <didrocks> so that the daily release change for the right version
[14:10] <seb128> mterry, hey, had a good w.e?
[14:11] <mterry> seb128, sort of.  I was a bit sick and still am, but hopefully can work fine
[14:11] <seb128> mterry, I looked at the unity/autopilot issues this morning, found out the buggy commit and Trevinho fixed the issue (it's r2222) ... can you kick a retry or unity build/daily landing?
[14:11] <seb128> mterry, oh ok, get better!
[14:11] <seb128> retry of*
[14:15] <mterry> seb128, yup
[14:54] <xnox> didrocks: default priority should be Optional, instead of extra?! Agree, disagree, keep as it is?
[14:54] <didrocks> xnox: completely agree :-)
[14:54]  * didrocks is always nagging seb128 about it :p
[14:56]  * seb128 couldn't care less :p
[14:57] <ogra_> Extoptional
[14:57] <ogra_> ^^^ compromise
[14:59] <seb128> time for some exercice, be back in ~1h
[15:01] <xnox> didrocks: why are we purging debian/source/format ? to mix-and-match how it's build? (native and non-native)
[15:01] <didrocks> xnox: hum, you don't really need, you can put it to 1.0
[15:02] <didrocks> xnox: I don't really care as long as it's not 3.0 ;)
[15:21] <xnox> didrocks: how / when are we going to land libhybris? as these packages depend on it....
[15:22] <didrocks> xnox: ogra_ was telling it's not needed. ogra_ ?
[15:22] <ogra_> huh ?
[15:22]  * ogra_ cant remeber saying such a thing ...
[15:22] <didrocks> ogra_: libhybris is a runtime dep, right?
[15:22] <didrocks> not build time?
[15:22] <xnox> ogra_: platform-api & qtubuntu-sensors at the moment build-dep on libhybris. And both of them are compat/wrapper/provider libs around libhybris by the looks of things.
[15:22] <ogra_> we need the ubuntu side of libhybris  pakckaged
[15:22] <didrocks> and so if we have the ubuntu-platform api built
[15:23] <xnox> (as well as other)
[15:23] <ogra_> not the android side though
[15:23] <ogra_> (sine thats armel and built at android image buildtime)
[15:23] <ogra_> i'm not sure if rsalverti probably has plans to do it differently though
[15:23] <didrocks> ogra_: the ubuntu-side is arch:any?
[15:23]  * xnox is confused why those packages build-dep on libhybris though.....
[15:23] <ogra_> didrocks, good question
[15:23] <xnox> libhybris looks arch:any as well to me (looking at the upstream code)
[15:24] <ogra_> root@localhost:/# dpkg -l|grep hybris
[15:24] <ogra_> ii  libhybris                                    0.61-0phablet1                                          armhf        Allows to run bionic-based HW adaptations in glibc systems - libs
[15:24] <ogra_> ii  libhybris-test                               0.61-0phablet1                                          armhf        Allows to run bionic-based HW adaptations in glibc systems - tests
[15:24] <xnox> afterall android does run on i386 atoms (?!)
[15:24] <ogra_> thats what i get on my phone
[15:24] <xnox> from a ppa, not from raring archive though.
[15:25] <ogra_> root@localhost:/# apt-cache showsrc libhybris|grep ^Arch
[15:25] <ogra_> Architecture: any
[15:25] <ogra_> yeah, its any atm
[15:25] <ogra_> and we will roll x86 userspace if we actually make a qemu image work ...
[15:25] <xnox> didrocks: are we landing _that_ daily though?
[15:25] <ogra_> so it needs to be any
[15:26] <xnox> (or daily landing, but actually manually merging when we want updates?!)
[15:26] <didrocks> xnox: we will do as if. But I guess we'll land that daily in a ppa for raring
[15:26] <didrocks> xnox: ah, you meant libhybris?
[15:26] <ogra_> i'm not really sure how safe it is to land it inependently from the adnroid side
[15:26] <xnox> didrocks: yeah, libhybris.
[15:26] <didrocks> ogra_: would be good if one of you can dig into that
[15:26] <didrocks> xnox: so, we have two choices, for things we are not upstream for:
[15:26] <xnox> ogra_: you get the work-item =)
[15:27] <didrocks> - either do the manual upload way
[15:27] <ogra_> well, it woyld help if we discussed that in a channel where any of the devs are :P
[15:27] <didrocks> - on demand release, with a merge in a branch that is our "ubuntu trunk"
[15:27]  * didrocks is on 100 scopes, not really on that as a matter of urgency TBH
[15:58] <mlankhorst> Laney: then suddenly it was 10°c here o.O
[17:24] <jbicha> seb128: I guess bug 1153567 is approved then? I have the .plka we need for setting the hostname in gnome-control-center
[17:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1153567 in ubuntu-system-service (Ubuntu) "[FFE] Use systemd-services rather than ubuntu-system-service systemdcompatibility code" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1153567
[17:25] <seb128> jbicha, it's approved yes ...profiles should be in the desktop-privelege package, not in the sources
[17:26] <jbicha> seb128: but this .plka is just a rewrite of the one included in gnome-control-center since we're not using the new policykit for raring
[17:26] <seb128> 3.6 depends on the new polkit?
[17:26] <seb128> that doesn't make sense
[17:26] <seb128> the new polkit was out yet at the time?
[17:27] <jbicha> yes and of course GNOME uses the latest stuff they can...
[17:28] <jbicha> on the other hand I hit bug 1156074 which should block the systemd-services transition
[17:28] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1156074 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "[raring] after updates, i965 driver won't load" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1156074
[17:29] <seb128> jbicha, that's a kernel bug afaik
[17:29] <seb128> nothing to do with systemd-services
[17:33] <Laney> pitti: still here perchance?
[17:34] <Laney> I notice that you never get PrepareForSuspend(false) signalled from logind after resuming and I'm wondering if that's because of the fallback pm-utils stuff
[17:34]  * Laney does a little hax
[17:36] <jbicha> seb128: well the problem that I saw was that I had systemd-services installed without libpam-systemd
[17:38] <seb128> jbicha, would need to check with pitti, there is a second FFE about logind
[17:38] <Laney> that will get seeded
[17:38] <seb128> see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1153224
[17:38] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1153224 in systemd "[FFE] Move to logind for session tracking" [Wishlist,New]
[17:39] <seb128> we will either to transition to logind
[17:39] <seb128> or drop it from syste
[17:39] <seb128> or drop it from systemd-services
[17:40] <jbicha> ok I'll just wait then unless you had somewhere you wanted me to put my g-c-c patch
[17:42] <seb128> jbicha, no I didn't, thanks
[17:54] <chrisccoulson> jibel, did you say that the autopkgtests are done with 1GB or 2GB of RAM?
[17:54] <jibel> chrisccoulson, 2
[17:55] <chrisccoulson> jibel, and there's no swap either?
[17:55] <jibel> chrisccoulson, no swap
[17:56] <chrisccoulson> jibel, i wonder whether the tests do hi OOM. i'm trying to figure out random failures like https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/raring-ppa-adt-ubuntu_mozilla_daily_ppa-firefox-trunk/ARCH=i386,label=adt/lastCompletedBuild/testReport/dom.media.tests/mochitest/test_peerConnection_bug840344_html/, but they don't happen when i run locally with 4GB
[17:56] <chrisccoulson> and that test failure was followed shortly afterwards by a crash
[17:56] <chrisccoulson> which is suspicious...
[17:57] <chrisccoulson> jibel, in fact, at the bottom of the log:
[17:57] <chrisccoulson> out of memory: 0x0000000000070800 bytes requested
[17:57] <chrisccoulson> i didn't notice that before ;)
[17:58] <jibel> chrisccoulson, that's what I suspect too but didn't do much investigation. I'll increase the amount of memory for firefox tests
[17:59] <chrisccoulson> jibel, thanks
[18:08]  * didrocks waves good evening
[18:11] <jbicha> seb128: gnome-calculator 3.7.92 is out with the renamed .desktop, do you need to fix the Unity test again before I upload?
[18:11] <seb128> likely yes
[18:11] <seb128> mterry, cyphermox: ^
[18:12] <seb128> some test is using gnome-calculator.desktop, we will need them back on gcalctool.desktop
[18:14] <Laney> pitti: Hmm, so you only get the False ones in response to an org.freedesktop.systemd1.Manager JobRemoved signal but we'll never have that
[18:29] <cyphermox> seb128: ok
[18:41] <mterry> seb128, guh
[18:41] <seb128> mterry, don't give me that guh look!
[18:41] <seb128> ;-)
[18:42] <mterry> cyphermox, are you doing that or shall I?
[18:49] <cyphermox> mterry: I can
[19:10] <cyphermox> seb128: where do these tests live? unity?
[19:11] <jbicha> cyphermox: https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/unity/autopilot_gcalctool_rename/+merge/151063
[19:13] <cyphermox> ok, just reverting that?
[19:13] <jbicha> yes please
[19:17] <cyphermox> jbicha: is there a bug open for that?
[19:27] <seb128> cyphermox, what was just said ;-)
[19:28] <cyphermox> I suck?
[19:31] <cyphermox> seb128: sorry, I don't follow what you mean by that
[19:34] <chrisccoulson> hi jibel, any idea why the links to the 2 test failures on https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/raring-ppa-adt-mozillateam_firefox_next-firefox/4/ARCH=i386,label=adt/ give a 404?
[19:49] <seb128> cyphermox, sorry, walked by between dinner and dessert ;-)
[19:49] <cyphermox> yeah, is fine
[19:49] <seb128> cyphermox, I was just acking the "just need to revert that commit once gnome-calcultator is updated"
[19:49] <cyphermox> so you mean you mentioned the bug aleady? I can't see it
[19:49] <cyphermox> ok
[19:49] <cyphermox> when is that going to be done?
[19:49] <seb128> whenever you wants
[19:49]  * cyphermox doesn't especially like that kind of X depends on Y
[19:50] <cyphermox> it gets more painful with daily release
[19:50] <seb128> that's a trivial .90 -> .92 GNOME update
[19:50] <cyphermox> ok
[19:50] <cyphermox> but we're fixing a bug; this is after feature freeze
[19:50] <cyphermox> I'd just want it to be tracked for the commit too
[19:50] <seb128> cyphermox, if you are ready to get the unity test updated just tell jbicha that it's ok to upload gnome-calculator
[19:51] <seb128> cyphermox, it's a bit unfortunate that there was this renaming and renaming back on the .desktop unity picked for its tests
[19:51] <cyphermox> is that only going to be run for unity or are other things using unity's autopilot tests, beside indicators?
[19:51] <seb128> just reverting the commit mentioned before
[19:51] <seb128> that was the only one
[19:53] <cyphermox> ok
[19:54] <jibel> chrisccoulson, there is a delay between the notification (sent by the internal server) and the results on the public instance
[19:55] <chrisccoulson> jibel, ah, thanks
[20:08] <jbicha> cyphermox: no we hadn't a filed a bug on the Ubuntu side for the issue
[20:19] <cyphermox> jbicha: that's fine, I did
[20:36] <cyphermox> mterry: wanna review? https://code.launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/unity/revert-gcalctool/+merge/153923
[20:36] <mterry> cyphermox, sue
[20:36] <mterry> sure
[20:37] <cyphermox> thanks
[22:06] <marga> desrt, you around?  It's me with weird issues again :)
[22:06] <marga> Two users are telling me their screensavers left the bus during the weekend.  I got one apport report from one of them, and apparently it's dconf related: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5626553/
[22:07] <marga> With "left the bus" I mean this syslog error message: gnome-session[4387]: WARNING: Detected that screensaver has left the bus
[22:07] <desrt> 'left the bus' :)
[22:07] <desrt> hmm.
[22:07] <desrt> i'm not sure that's a serious problem?
[22:08] <marga> yeah, that's a very weird message.  It's associated with signal 7 (Bus Error)
[22:08] <desrt> are you using NFS?
[22:08] <desrt> or ecryptfs...
[22:09] <marga> maybe :)
[22:09] <desrt> sigbus in dconf code is almost always (maybe _always_) caused by the user not having a fully-functional XDG_RUNTIME_DIR
[22:09] <marga> it's possible that the kerberos credentials timed out or something similar.
[22:09] <desrt> since you're on precise i assume that XDG_RUNTIME_DIR is not setup properly
[22:09] <marga> let me check taht.
[22:09] <desrt> so that means that the user's homedir is used as a fallback
[22:09] <desrt> if ~ is NFS or ecryptfs you will get bus errors from time to time
[22:10] <marga> yes, at least in one case ~ is NFS
[22:10] <desrt> dconf grew improved NFS support this cycle
[22:10] <marga> confirmed for the other user as well.
[22:10] <desrt> but only if XDG_RUNTIME_DIR is supported :(
[22:11] <desrt> and i guess it doesn't help you anyway if you're stuck on precise
[22:11] <marga> But we have like half our users on NFS, and we don't have all the screensavers leaving the bus
[22:12] <desrt> i think 'left the bus' is my new favourite euphemism for 'failed horribly'
[22:12] <marga> :)
[22:13] <desrt> this issue has been known to periodically occur with NFS or ecryptfs for a while
[22:13] <desrt> basically it happens when a file on the NFS server gets replaced and the clients are left looking at a stale copy
[22:13] <desrt> with read() or write() you would get ESTALE
[22:13] <marga> you mean the .dconf copy?
[22:13] <desrt> but with mmap() you get SIGBUS
[22:14] <desrt> i mean the dconf database file
[22:14] <marga> ok
[22:14] <desrt> are you sort of going through old dconf bugs lately and you found these?
[22:14] <desrt> or did both of them just happen all of the sudden?
[22:15] <marga> This happened this weekend.
[22:15] <desrt> huh
[22:15] <marga> 2 users in the same weekend.
[22:15] <desrt> and you never saw it before?
[22:15]  * desrt wonders what changed....
[22:15] <marga> So for this to happen, they would need to have accessed their dconf settings from some other machine, right?
[22:15] <desrt> maybe.  i'm not entirely clear on what happens here.
[22:15] <marga> It might be that they haven't been running precise for long.  We just finished the migration.
[22:16] <marga> Let me check that
[22:16] <desrt> when a client has open file handles and it deletes or replaces the open file, it's supposed to do this weird renaming trick
[22:16] <desrt> so that fixes the problem if you make the change from the same machine
[22:16] <desrt> it's indeed possible that multiple logins could be the cause of this
[22:17] <marga> So, one of them is a very recent precise user, the other one has been using precise for more than 6 months.
[22:17] <desrt> heh
[22:19] <desrt> anyway... i'm just about to head out for the night
[22:19] <desrt> but we've known about this issue for a very long time
[22:19] <desrt> getting an SRU to fix precise might be difficult but we could discuss what to do
[22:19] <marga> Ok, I'll keep digging into this, thanks for the imput.
[22:19] <marga> input
[22:19] <desrt> find out about the XDG_RUNTIME_DIR variable being set (or not) on precise
[22:19] <desrt> and file a bug with all the infos
[22:19] <desrt> ciao
[23:57] <cyphermox> jbicha: still around?
[23:59] <jbicha> cyphermox: yes
[23:59] <cyphermox> jbicha: did you upload gnome-calculator? I'd be approving the merge for unity tests, so that would land soonish


[04:31] <pitti> Good morning
[06:48] <didrocks> morning
[06:53] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[07:00] <didrocks> ça va pitti ?
[07:00]  * didrocks digs into ubuntu archives about the hibernate removal discussion :p
[07:01] <pitti> didrocks: ça va bien, et toi ?
[07:01] <didrocks> pitti: ça va bien !  I just tried the amd64 one on my thinkpad, and I don't get very far
[07:48] <pitti> I see the "welcome to your phone" wizard coming up (using only a small part of my external screen, and only rendering halfway on the internal one)
[07:48] <pitti> I can move the mouse cursor, but that's it -- no clicking, no "continue", no changing lanugage, keyboard doesn't do anything, etc.
[07:48] <pitti> Laney: ^
[07:51] <didrocks> pitti: did you try only with one monitor?
[07:51] <didrocks> I know multiple monitors are not supported yet, so maybe that's what puzzle Mir?
[07:52] <pitti> only external one would be ok too :)
[07:52] <pitti> no, I didn't try yet, I'll do now
[07:53] <didrocks> pitti: maybe it can't just decide between your two shiny monitors ;)
[08:03] <pitti> didrocks, Laney: ok, with just the internal monitor it worked better
[08:04] <pitti> the terminal app doesn't install, though :/
[08:04] <pitti> (install button doesn't do anything)
[08:04] <pitti> anyway, I could do what I wanted on VT1 after finding out how to log in :)
[08:07] <pitti> can we pretty please pre-install terminal-app?
[08:07] <didrocks> pitti: that would be for Laney's seed I guess, but yeah :)
[08:07] <didrocks> pitti: did you log in to sso by any chance?
[08:07] <pitti> didrocks: yes, I had to
[08:07] <pitti> otherwise you can't install apps
[08:07] <didrocks> ok, so termina app doesn't install? weird
[08:08] <didrocks> terminal*
[08:08] <didrocks> ok, going for some cycling before the rain
[08:08] <didrocks> ttyl guys :)
[08:08] <mlankhorst> have fun
[08:08] <didrocks> thx
[08:41] <mlankhorst> cold cold cold
[08:47] <willcooke> morning
[09:04] <Laney> pitti: it's click only and we can't/don't install them
[09:04] <Laney> and it's not "my" seed
[09:04] <Laney> also hi
[09:05] <willcooke> :)
[09:24] <mlankhorst> ooh, greece spam
[09:25] <mlankhorst> helpfully with a english translation below it
[10:12] <willcooke> didrocks, thank you for you email re: hibernate - very interesting
[10:12] <willcooke> I agree, we shouldn't/couldn't use it
[10:18] <didrocks> willcooke: yeah, the feature is great under really specific circumstances
[10:18] <didrocks> but not widely applicable unfortunately
[10:18] <willcooke> yeah
[12:04] <pitti> Laney: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/vivid-adt-glib2.0/28 regression (email notifications are still broken)
[12:04] <pitti> it also seems to have regressed deja-dup
[12:08] <Laney> pitti: blag, ok
[12:09] <Laney> Test glib/network-monitor.test failed: Child process killed by signal 11
[12:11] <Laney> interesting that it worked at build time
[12:11] <Laney> let's see
[12:12] <pitti> Laney: I can retry the glib one
[12:12] <Laney> it's probably real
[12:14] <Laney> well bah, it works in a chroot
[12:14]  * Laney does the adt dance
[12:26] <Laney> oh man, accidentally hit ctrl-c after it failed
[12:26] <Laney> at least it did fail
[13:25] <Laney> larsu: gdbus question
[13:25] <Laney> It's possible to create a GDBusProxy for any name if you give G_DBUS_PROXY_FLAGS_DO_NOT_AUTOSTART isn't it?
[13:27] <larsu> Laney: you can also create it for any name if you don't pass that flag :)
[13:27] <Laney> won't it try to start it and give an error then?
[13:28] <Laney> I mean a name which you don't have a .service for on the system
[13:28] <larsu> right, it will error out with "no such name"
[13:28] <ochosi> larsu: not sure whether you're seeing this in unity too, but indicator sound's scale is reacting a bit odd to click-events with gtk3.14
[13:29] <larsu> Laney: but the same happens if the name doesn't exist and you pass DO_NOT_AUTOSTART
[13:29] <Laney> run this test program
[13:29] <larsu> ochosi: indeed...
[13:30] <Laney> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9550482/
[13:30] <ochosi> larsu: ok, good to know. i was afraid it would only be in xubuntu...
[13:30] <larsu> ochosi: thanks for pointing it out :)
[13:31] <Laney> I get "yes"
[13:31] <ochosi> larsu: no worries, i guess that's the whole point of testing the gtk3.14 PPA ;)
[13:35] <larsu> Laney: not sure right now what the semantics are. The proxy definitely calls GetNameOwner(), so "g-name-owner" should be NULL for you
[13:35] <larsu> Laney: but it doesn't seem to watch the name. Strange.
[13:35] <Laney> right I'm wondering if you need to do a test like this before using it
[13:35] <Laney> this is coming from glib itself https://git.gnome.org/browse/glib/tree/gio/gnetworkmonitornm.c#n248
[13:36] <Laney> this code crashes if nm isn't installed
[13:36] <larsu> wow
[13:36] <larsu> do you have a bt?
[13:36] <Laney> over there ->
[13:36] <Laney> line 222 props is NULL
[13:36] <Laney> from line 260
[13:36] <larsu> it should definitely not crash, even if you call a method on a non-connected proxy
[13:37] <Laney> I think 256 probably just wants to check the owner as well?
[13:37] <larsu> Laney: g_dbus_proxy_get_cached_property_names() is documented to return NULL in some cases
[13:38] <larsu> so that code should check for that
[13:38] <larsu> Laney: not sure, let me check when this even happens
[13:39] <Laney> and probably check for NULL there too I guess, for safety's sake
[13:39] <larsu> Laney: ah, it only returns NULL if it cannot connect to the bus at all
[13:39] <Laney> nod
[13:40] <larsu> it should probably check for name-owner
[13:40] <larsu> and also for NULL in 222
[13:40] <larsu> but that won't ever be a problem I think: properties are always loaded when the name exists
[13:41] <Laney> might as well, or an assert ...
[13:41] <larsu> right
[13:42] <larsu> this code also doesn't deal with nm restarting
[13:42] <larsu> not sure if that is ever an issue though
[14:02] <Laney> larsu: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741653
[14:03] <Laney> something weird happened to the bt
[14:07]  * Laney lunch
[14:12] <Sweet5hark> soo, people onboard UAL28 seem to be doing sightseeing over the Isle of Wright and the Channel for 2-3 hours now ... thats not exactly on the way from Heathrow to NY.
[14:53] <willcooke> didrocks, qengho, bregma - got a familly emergency, have to cancel our meetings.  WIll catch up with you later.
[14:53] <willcooke> mlankhorst, ^
[14:54] <qengho> rgr
[15:05] <mlankhorst> ok bb
[15:09] <mlankhorst> good luck
[15:14] <tkamppeter> Laney, hi
[15:18] <tkamppeter> Laney, about the syncing of cups-filters, I asked OdyX already some weeks ago and there he already told me that he had started on the ippusbxd package and so I did not do the same, already done work. He told me that he will put the ippusbxd package into experimental for now, due to the Debian freeze.
[15:20] <larsu> Laney: just pushed two commits which to ~larsu/ubuntu-themes/gtk-314 which fix all button issues I was aware of
[15:21] <larsu> and updated the pad
[15:29] <Laney> tkamppeter: I see some recent commits there actually, would be nice to find out what's left to do and get it uploaded :)
[15:29] <Laney> larsu: cool, care to make a MP?
[15:30] <larsu> Laney: sure
[15:30] <Laney> does anyone normally review those?
[15:31] <larsu> https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/ubuntu-themes/gtk-314/+merge/245004
[15:31] <larsu> Laney: seb does
[15:31] <larsu> when I ask him too :)
[15:32] <Laney> cheers
[15:48] <larsu> Laney: are you subscribed to unity-control-center MRs?
[15:49] <Laney> nope
[15:49] <larsu> Laney: this trivial fix would be nice-to-have: https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/unity-control-center/primary-toolbar/+merge/245005
[15:50] <Laney> I joined the team but it's not enough to get notifications
[15:51] <Laney> yeah looks good, thanks
[15:52] <larsu> can you approve though?
[15:52] <Laney> yep
[15:52] <larsu> thanks
[15:52] <Laney> trade for a review of my glib patch
[15:54] <larsu> deal
[15:55] <Mirv> is it just me having funny issue logging in vivid/lightdm today? it claims I can just "log in" (no password), but it fails to do so (obviously). if I login from tty1 and press enter in lightdm, it logs in..
[16:00] <larsu> Laney: bah, that g_free() in the middle of the function is quite ugly
[16:00] <larsu> I see why you did that though
[16:01] <larsu> desrt: do you have a strong policy for this? https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741653
[16:01] <larsu> man, why does _get_name_owner() even return a copy?
[16:01] <larsu> oh, threading
[16:02] <desrt> larsu: looks like a danw bug
[16:02] <desrt> (this is where the "Dan W." problem gets extra confusing)
[16:03] <larsu> mh?
[16:03] <desrt> Dan Williams = NetworkManager maintainer
[16:03] <desrt> Dan Winship = GIO Networking maintainer
[16:03] <larsu> desrt: I asked if Laney's patch is ok for you (g_free() in the middle of the function)
[16:03] <desrt> NetworkManager issues in GIO = probably you want Dan Winship
[16:04] <larsu> this is more a gdbusproxy issue
[16:04] <desrt> the patch appears to be in gnetworkmonitornm.c
[16:04] <larsu> which I hear is maintained by you now :P
[16:05] <larsu> true, but that part of the question was more general
[16:05] <larsu> meh, whatever. I won't accept_commit-now for this part anyway
[16:05] <desrt> imho the correct thing to do here is to create the proxy with only unique names
[16:05] <desrt> proxies on well-known names have always been a mistake in my opinion
[16:06] <larsu> and deprecate g-name-owner?
[16:06] <desrt> the trouble is that david one thought it would be reasonable to try to support this..
[16:06] <desrt> *once
[16:06] <desrt> but seriously... what do you do when people query properties on a dead service?
[16:06] <larsu> ya, clearly
[16:07] <larsu> but you could still create a proxy for a non-existent unique name
[16:07] <larsu> or the unique name you created it for disappears
[16:07] <desrt> lame
[16:07] <larsu> why? Same problem, no?
[16:07] <desrt> the idea is that you'd use watch_name_owner() to uncreate the proxy as soon as the name vanishes
[16:08] <larsu> of course, but you'd still need to return something from _get_properties()
[16:08] <desrt> well, the thing is... with the unique-name-disappears case we can reasonably assume that someone will be cleaning up the mess soon
[16:08] <desrt> so we can just return the old values
[16:09] <larsu> GetProperties() call might not succeed when you first create the object
[16:09] <desrt> with the well-known name, we need to pretend
[16:09] <desrt> larsu: isn't GDBusProxy init failable?
[16:09] <desrt> i think that's what happens in that case
[16:09] <larsu> no, it only fails when it can't connect to the bus
[16:09] <larsu> aka never
[16:09] <desrt> i'm pretty sure you're wrong
[16:10] <desrt> g_dbus_proxy_new_sync() takes a GDBusConnection and returns GError
[16:10] <larsu> I checked earlier - but maybe I missed something
[16:10] <larsu> that file is a bit convoluted
[16:10] <desrt> ya....
[16:10] <desrt> i really hate that class
[16:10] <desrt> never use it myself
[16:10]  * didrocks should stop writing g_debug in systemd code…
[16:10] <larsu> deprecate it!
[16:10] <larsu> didrocks: s_debug!
[16:10] <desrt> "just use gdbusconnection, you wimps"
[16:10] <larsu> right
[16:11] <didrocks> larsu: almost, log_debug ;)
[16:11] <larsu> desrt: anyhow, is danw actively reviewing patches?
[16:11] <desrt> larsu: trouble is that we can't really change this code to introduce new ways to fail
[16:11] <desrt> larsu: on this sort of stuff?  yes.
[16:11] <larsu> ok, I'll wait for him to comment then
[16:11] <larsu> Laney: sorry :/
[16:12] <larsu> desrt: why not?
[16:12] <Laney> shrug
[16:12] <Laney> separately, want to push https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741259 ?
[16:12]  * Laney will cherry-pick it for the upload
[16:12] <larsu> Laney: ah, mclasen ok'ed it. I missed that. I'll push it when I'm back home
[16:13] <desrt> larsu: this code makes me want to cry
[16:13] <larsu> desrt: stop reading it ;)
[16:13] <desrt> but anyway you're right
[16:13] <desrt> explicitly:
[16:13] <desrt>   if (result == NULL)
[16:13] <desrt>     {
[16:13] <desrt>       /* We just ignore if GetAll() is failing. Because this might happen
[16:14] <larsu> :(
[16:15] <desrt> is gdbusproxy actually crashing, or what?
[16:16] <desrt> or just returning null strings?
[16:16] <larsu> no, gnetworkmonitornm is, because it doesn't check the return value of get_cached_properties() for NULL
[16:16] <desrt> because unless gdbusproxy is crashing in response to relatively innocent outside uses, i'm not inclined to change anything inside of it
[16:16] <larsu> I wonder if NULL is correct there, or if { NULL } would be better
[16:16] <desrt> right.  so we need to fix the nm code
[16:17] <desrt> NULL is better
[16:17] <larsu> this is what Laney's patch does
[16:17] <larsu> does it return NULL when the name disappeared, too?
[16:17] <desrt> { NULL } means "i'm connected and i see that there are exactly 0 properties"
[16:17] <larsu> I agree
[16:17] <larsu> something like _is_connected() might be nice to have
[16:18] <larsu> so that you don't need to make a copy of the name owner
[16:18] <desrt> you have it.  it's called g-name-owner.
[16:18] <desrt> ahb
[16:18] <desrt> this shouldn't make a copy.
[16:18] <larsu> yay threads
[16:18] <desrt> no.
[16:18] <desrt> yay bad api design
[16:18] <desrt> the proxy belongs to a particular context.  it receives all notifications through dispatches on that context
[16:19] <desrt> if you're querying it from that context (as you must) then there is no way that it can see changes from the bus while you're querying it
[16:19] <desrt> you have to return to the mainloop
[16:19] <desrt> it's just plain old bad api
[16:19] <larsu> you must?
[16:19] <desrt> oh please tell me you must...
[16:19] <larsu> otherwise why would it need the property_lock?
[16:20] <desrt> oh.  you not must.
[16:20] <desrt> head → desk
[16:20] <desrt> THIS OBJECT IS TERRIBLE
[16:20] <larsu> right. I had the same reaction earlier today
[16:21] <desrt> and here i am in kdbus land figuring out a way to forbid even touching the _connection_ from the wrong thread
[16:21] <desrt> and we have proxies taking locks all over the place
[16:22] <desrt> i can't even imagine what horror show awaits me when i try to get gdbusproxy working on a kdbus gdbusconnection
[16:23] <desrt> i particularly love how they use code locking here and not even data locking
[16:24] <desrt> larsu: my suggestion is to slowly back away from GDBusProxy and fix things in the nm code (as the patch does).  danw is your go-to for that, though.
[16:28] <larsu> desrt: backing away from GDBusProxy towards subscribing to property change notifications manually?
[16:28] <desrt> backing away as in typing ":q" into any relevent vim windows
[16:28] <larsu> lol
[16:28] <larsu> done.
[16:28] <desrt> :)
[16:32]  * desrt is having lots of fun in kdbus land this morning
[16:33] <desrt> it turns out that pretty much everything is racy
[16:34] <larsu> uh oh
[16:35] <desrt> the cookie-based approach turns out to be kinda bad -- so we're trying futexes instead :)
[16:35] <larsu> uhm, yay!?
[16:36] <desrt> ya.  i love futexes.
[16:52] <larsu> Laney: pushed the patch to bug 741259
[16:52] <larsu> (gnome bug)
[16:53] <Laney> thanks!
[16:54]  * Laney screams
[16:54] <Laney> ci traiiinnnnn
[16:55] <didrocks> choooo choooo
[16:55] <Laney> https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/prepare-silo/3548/console
[16:57] <didrocks> Laney: not sure how they handle the REQUEST_ID nowdays
[16:57] <Laney> yeah pinged in the channel
[16:58] <didrocks> waow, they reintroduced all the variable in prepare-silo?
[16:59] <didrocks> instead of having to click in the spreadsheet, filing the REQUEST_ID and fetching the info from there?
[16:59] <didrocks> (this was still available manually in the prepare-silo-manual beforehand, but that was for emergency)
[18:02] <Laney> right then, climbing time
[18:02] <Laney> see you!
[18:02] <Laney> larsu (everyone): gtk is in ppa:ci-train-ppa-service/landing-008
[18:02] <Laney> I think it's ready to go and will do that first thing tomorrow
[18:02] <Laney> it's there with theme and u-c-c
[18:02] <Laney> there's an alpha freeze so now/then doesn't matter much anyway
[18:02] <Laney> darkxst: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ fyi
[18:03]  * Laney waves
[18:08] <larsu> Laney: neat, thanks!
[18:08] <Laney> I shit myself because all of the theme fixes went away
[18:09] <Laney> luckily it had been downgraded by mistake :)
[18:10] <larsu> haha
[18:13]  * didrocks waves too
[20:35] <darkxst> Laney, Great!


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[06:15] <cpaelzer> oSoMoN: seb128: doko: xnox: (wow +1 pinigng is a nice long list today) - I updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlusOneMaintenanceTeam/Status again as I was checking my ongoing +1 activities. That should be fine for initial coordination
[06:16] <cpaelzer> once I start something else after breakfast (all current things are waiting on something/someone) I'll let you know
[06:19] <cpaelzer> six and python-azure things are fully completed and migrated
[06:21]  * tsimonq2 loves all of the +1 maintenance activity
[06:26] <cpaelzer> thanks tsimonq2
[06:26] <cpaelzer> I'm afraid if I send my mail at the end of my double week it will be a book and no one will read it
[06:26] <cpaelzer> maybe I should send at the end of each week ...
[06:27] <tsimonq2> cpaelzer: Was speaking generally, but each person makes up a chunk of that, so you're welcome.
[06:27] <tsimonq2> If only there was a more centralized way to provide an audit log of sorts.
[06:28] <tsimonq2> So e.g. on a daily basis, interested people could just look there.
[06:28] <tsimonq2> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[06:28] <cpaelzer> we (all) need to find which way of commuication works best to a) do not feel like a burden/pain but b) gets out to the people so everyone can see and is aware what is going on
[06:30] <tsimonq2> That's agreeable.
[06:33] <eoli3n_> Hi
[06:33] <eoli3n_> i don't get what changed about netboot : http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/focal/
[06:33] <eoli3n_> can't i get focal netboot image ?
[06:37] <eoli3n_> ok found : http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/focal/main/installer-arm64/current/legacy-images/netboot/
[07:08] <cpaelzer> oSoMoN: seb128: doko: xnox: there is a test fail in lintian for the new libclass-xsaccessor-perl, I'll look at that next since this eventually will be needed for the overall perl things to complete
[07:09] <seb128> hey cpaelzer, k
[07:15] <eoli3n_> arm... not amd
[07:15] <eoli3n_> so where can i get focal netboot please ?
[07:18] <eoli3n_> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/focal/main/installer-amd64/current/legacy-images/netboot/
[07:20] <cpaelzer> eoli3n_: that is the legacy build like you were used to it - alternatively you might follow http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/ to http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/focal/ which will lead you to https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/netbooting-the-live-server-installer/14510
[07:20] <cpaelzer> worth a read to consider this going forward
[07:20] <eoli3n_> i have my own netboot server since many years with a kickstart file etc...
[07:21] <eoli3n_> don't stop to provide legacy netboot for next releases
[07:23] <LocutusOfBorg> seb128, I think a better pulseaudio/riscv64 would have been this patch https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-audio-dev/pulseaudio/commit/?h=ubuntu&id=40db304aba4f2258edfb3d524787b1e0f22baacb
[07:23] <LocutusOfBorg> what is your opinion?
[07:27] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg, the test does work on other archs but maybe yes, ideally that would be upstreamed
[07:28] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg, it does sound similar to https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/pulseaudio/pulseaudio/-/issues/619 , they fixed it by disabling the ffmath option but that's on for us it seems, maybe the patch to the test there would still make sense
[08:44] <xnox> @pilot in
[08:45] <xnox> I am here working on +1 maintenance = meaning all things groovy. If you have anything not in groovy or stuck in groovy-proposed, ask me to help getting it moving!
[08:46] <Unit193> \o/
[09:12] <oSoMoN> xnox, this is my first +1 maintenance shift, I'm not familiar with good practices yet, am I supposed to also @pilot in/out when I start/end my day?
[09:13] <oSoMoN> or are you doing both +1 maintenance and patch piloting today?
[09:14] <xnox> oSoMoN: I think we came up with idea of (ab)using pilon in on Tuesday for patch piloting.
[09:15] <xnox> oSoMoN: i.e. if there are any other +1 maintenance people without upload rights they know, that I am around to click autopkgtest retires for them, or like sponsor uploads.
[09:16] <oSoMoN> ack
[09:18] <xnox> *retries
[09:26] <LocutusOfBorg> cpaelzer, any timeline for qemu 5.0 in groovy? :)
[09:33] <cpaelzer> LocutusOfBorg: ~August
[09:34] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks :)
[09:43] <cpaelzer> sil2100: this week you looked at ntirpc/nfs-ganesha
[09:43] <cpaelzer> did you (or someone else) make nfs-ganesha a sync while doing so?
[09:44] <cpaelzer> because there is a component mismatch left, so one old delta at least needs to get back
[09:44] <cpaelzer> I can do that, but I wanted to know the intention/plan to not make things worse by making this a merge again
[09:54] <cpaelzer> oSoMoN: seb128: doko: xnox: I'll ping the NFS-ganesha merge that is needed to make ntirpc migrate
[09:54] <cpaelzer> s/ping/take/
[09:58] <xnox> working on removal of ubuntu-app-launch & url-dispatcher without breaking anything that depends on it for the DE we actually ship
[10:02] <cpaelzer> ok,t hanks for the info xnox
[10:04] <doko> xnox: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=950404 is awaiting feedback
[10:07] <doko> RikMills: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nootka/1.2.0-0ubuntu4/+build/19239722 any idea? otoh the package could be removed, no rdeps
[10:07] <doko> not in Debian either
[10:11] <xnox> doko:  i'm sorry that's out of scope for +1 maintainance in Ubuntu atm. ndpi is not blocked in groovy, is it?
[10:17] <RikMills> doko: nootka? had not heard of that. very out of date (1.2 vs latest 1.4.7), and their website supplies ubuntu debs. I guess I could work to update it, but have zero motivation to do so and maintain/support it
[10:19]  * RikMills guesses removal bug is required
[10:19] <RikMills> if people want it, looks like a snap candidate
[10:20] <RikMills> \o/ they have a flatpak and an android version in the play store as well
[10:25] <doko> RikMills: could you file one?
[10:25] <RikMills> LP: #1880630
[10:25] <doko> ta
[10:25] <RikMills> looks like already done. I have commented with context
[10:25] <doko> ahh, there already was one
[10:28] <juliank> Make experts! How do I write ".man.8: Makefile" correctly?
[10:28] <juliank> because this triggers "warning: ignoring prerequisites on suffix rule definition"
[10:29] <juliank> making it "%.8: %.man Makefile" makes automake complain that's gnu make stuff
[10:31] <juliank> Ah I see I need to get all explicit .8 targets and add depends for those
[10:31] <juliank> nasty
[10:39] <juliank> So, flatpak-builder says
[10:39] <juliank> echo Building
[10:39] <juliank> make: echo: Operation not permitted
[10:39] <juliank> on s390x
[10:39] <juliank> what am I supposed to do with that?
[10:39] <juliank> with make 4.3
[10:40] <juliank> seems fine with older make
[10:40] <doko> waveform: is this supposed to build? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-raspi2-5.4/5.4.0-1001.1build1
[10:40] <doko> sforshee: ^^^
[10:44] <cpaelzer> oSoMoN: seb128: doko: xnox: for ntirpc/nfs-ganesha this will be needed https://code.launchpad.net/~paelzer/ubuntu/+source/nfs-ganesha/+git/nfs-ganesha/+merge/385106 - I'd appreciate if one could take a look for a sanity check
[10:46] <xnox> juliank:  is it shell builtin, or /usr/bin/echo, what's stdout connect to?
[10:46]  * juliank probably should have tested the dpkg makefile & autoreconf upload before uploading it
[10:46] <xnox> juliank:  for example, normally there is no tty1 on s390x
[10:46] <juliank> xnox: I have no idea really, but this must have changed between make 4.2 and 4.3
[10:46] <xnox> cure
[10:47] <juliank> probably could find out by recreating a stdout that is not writable?
[10:47] <xnox> *cute
[10:47] <xnox> juliank:  where is it a problem?
[10:47] <xnox> it seems to build fine (i.e. dpkg is built now?!)
[10:48] <juliank> xnox: flatpak-builder autopkgtest
[10:48] <xnox> juliank:  all we care is for make to be in groovy-proposed =) cause it's used to build all the things ;-)
[10:49] <juliank> looking at the log, this seems a real regression: http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/f/flatpak-builder/groovy/s390x
[10:49] <juliank> because it only fails in the make 4.3 runs, but works in the ones betwee nthose
[10:49] <juliank> GNU make will now use posix_spawn() on systems where it is available.
[10:49] <juliank> ^ this?
[10:50] <xnox> juliank:  ack. I can take a look into that on s390x box later today.
[10:50] <xnox> with like strace on fds
[10:50] <xnox> plus autopkgtests have multiple indirections of what stdout is
[10:51] <doko> RikMills: kopete was removed in Debian testing, because linphone was removed (ftbfs). can we remove it in Ubuntu too?
[10:51] <doko> or build it without libphone support
[10:52] <juliank> xnox: I could actually just investigate this on the autopkgtest infra directly with a --shell-fail rerun
[10:53] <juliank> ok, other cross-toolchain-base-* uploads to do, and then that's the remaining blocker for make-dfsg
[10:53] <juliank> :)
[10:54] <waveform> doko, no - we renamed linux-raspi2 to linux-raspi for focal, so it's only relevant on bionic at this point
[11:06] <doko> waveform: can we remove the package?
[11:07] <doko> if yes, please file a bug report and subscribe ubuntu-archive
[11:07] <waveform> doko, it's still used in bionic so I don't we can just yet
[11:08] <waveform> doko, (linux-raspi2 generally that is, not that particular version which only appears to be built for focal and groovy where it definitely isn't used)
[11:09] <doko> waveform: I'm talking about groovy
[11:09] <waveform> doko, in that case definitely - I'll file the issue
[11:09] <doko> ta
[11:37] <doko> waveform: so you filed a bug for linux-raspi2, but I asked for linux-raspi2-5.4. can both be removed?
[11:50] <seb128> xnox, fftw3 i386 autopkgtest are still red with your fixes, did you notice?
[11:51] <xnox> seb128:  i have
[11:51] <xnox> seb128:  my next plan is to skip them.
[11:51] <seb128> k
[11:51] <xnox> seb128:  because i fail to comprehend how come cross compiler is installed, i386 library is installed, and yet it fails to use i386 search paths for libs.
[11:52] <xnox> seb128:  but also, we only do native i386 building & testing cross-buildability of fftw3 is outofscope for i386-on-amd64 cross-autopkgtesting i think
[12:12] <oSoMoN> I have added a force-badtest for metis/i386, can someone from the release team please review/merge https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/britney/hints-ubuntu-i386-badtests/+merge/385113 ?
[12:35] <cpaelzer> oSoMoN: seb128: doko: xnox: there is abunch of tests in excuses on ppc64 that failed with a infa error like "Creating nova instance ...ERROR: autopkgtest"
[12:35] <cpaelzer> oSoMoN: seb128: doko: xnox: I'd have gone for scanning test status for those cases and re-queue them
[12:35] <cpaelzer> or is anyone of you already on this?
[12:36] <oSoMoN> I'm not
[12:36] <seb128> cpaelzer, I clicked some I saw on the by team excuse
[12:36] <seb128> we really need those improvements to not requeue things already queued
[12:36] <cpaelzer> seb128: only on the Desktop "by team" ?
[12:37] <seb128> cpaelzer, mostly, but I glanced over the foundations section as well and clicked a few there
[12:48] <waveform> doko, ah apologies - didn't realize that was a separate "project" in launchpad; linux-raspi2 itself should be removed at some point but I'm assuming we need to keep it alive whilst bionic is still supported
[12:48] <waveform> doko, I'll re-file
[12:50] <cpaelzer> seb128: ok you had gnutls28 but sepia and pinto are not in the per team view and not currently queued
[12:50] <cpaelzer> so I restarted those two
[12:50] <seb128> cpaelzer, thanks
[12:52] <cpaelzer> oSoMoN: seb128: doko: xnox: FYI I'll be looking at jinja2/oca-core test fails
[12:53] <seb128> k
[12:55] <RikMills> doko: kopete does not build depend on linphone any more as far as I can see. the previous linphone build depends are now provided with a higher version by the ortp and mediastreamer2 source packages
[12:56] <cpaelzer> oSoMoN: seb128: doko: xnox: lintian tests all passed as well now (one more peice in the perl puzzle)
[12:56] <RikMills> plus
[12:56] <RikMills> reverse-depends src:linphone
[12:56] <RikMills> No reverse dependencies found
[13:54] <doko> $ reverse-depends -b src:linphone
[13:54] <doko> Reverse-Build-Depends
[13:54] <doko> * kopete                        (for libmediastreamer-dev)
[13:54] <doko> * kopete                        (for libortp-dev)
[13:54] <doko> RikMills: ^^^
[13:54] <doko> hmm, ok
[14:28] <cpaelzer> oSoMoN: seb128: doko: xnox: jinja case resolved - it is indeed broken and should not migrate - I filed an updateexcuse bug so the next one looking at the queue is aware without re-debugging it
[14:28] <cpaelzer> I'm in meetings from now on, probably no more +1 cases for me today
[14:46] <eoli3n_> what do i see ?? apt embeed snap packages now ?
[14:47] <eoli3n_> does snap packages still doesn't work when home is not local..?
[15:09] <juliank> ddstreet: did you see me approving your software-properties branch?
[15:10] <juliank> (last thu)
[15:12] <juliank> seb128: you committed  a change to software-properties repo middle of April, are you going to follow up on that? https://git.launchpad.net/software-properties/commit/?id=e375293fd8787f8a40b6eded51dde808f9d9cb09
[15:12] <juliank> because it's not uploaded
[15:13] <seb128> juliank, there was no hurry that's why I didn't upload, I though other changes would come at some point and it could wait for the next upload
[15:14] <juliank> seb128: ok
[15:14] <juliank> It's a small change anyway
[15:54] <oSoMoN> cpaelzer, seb128, xnox, doko : I went through all the rdeps of ttf-dejavu* that are blocking the migration of fonts-dejavu and I filed bugs/attached patches
[15:57] <xnox> oSoMoN:  oooh nice!
[15:57] <xnox> @pilot out
[15:57]  * xnox is finishing up for the day, but i will be back tomorrow!
[16:04] <ddstreet> juliank yes thanks, i'll try to get time to push it (if i have acl...)
[16:06] <juliank> it's ~ubuntu-core-dev owned iirc?
[18:24] <oSoMoN> I'm looking into the fontforge s390x build failures (https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=961841)
[18:33] <oSoMoN> that's encouraging: https://launchpad.net/~osomon/+archive/ubuntu/fontforge-bigendian-groovy/+build/19408615
[19:49] <ahasenack> in focal, we have both golang 1.13 and 1.14, with 1.13 being the default
[19:49] <ahasenack> golang-defaults creates the symlinks from /usr/bin/go to the 1.13 binary somewhere in /usr/lib
[19:50] <ahasenack> is there sometihng that does the same for golang 1.14? Create the symlinks and such? Or should I do it by hand, if I want to use 1.14 in focal?
[19:51]  * ahasenack wonders if it's managed by alternatives
[19:51] <ahasenack> no, looks like alternatives was used once upon a time, but not anymore
[19:51] <sarnold> ahasenack: it's my understanding that 1.14 is there for riscv64 -- I don't know if that's any help to you or not :) but I'm not sure the intention is to use 1.14 for non-riscv64 architectures
[19:54] <ahasenack> that's unexpected reasoning :)
[19:54]  * ahasenack tries the manual symlinks
[19:55] <ahasenack> the thing built, so far so good