[06:28] <didrocks> good morning
[06:42] <duflu> Morning didrocks
[06:45] <didrocks> hey duflu!
[06:46] <duflu> It's a new day...
[06:48] <didrocks> heh, a new area :)
[06:53] <c-lobrano> good morning! Congratulation for the new LTS ;)
[08:04] <jibel> Good morning
[08:06] <didrocks> salut jibel, ça va ?
[08:06] <jibel> salut didrocks, ça va bien. Après une journée pleine de rebondissements, la release a enfin vu le jour donc tout va bien :)
[08:07] <didrocks> jibel: ouais, c'était assez épique :)
[08:07] <didrocks> jibel: si on avait utilisé mon workaround safe de mardi plutôt que "the right thing", ce side effect n'aurait pas eu lieu :/
[08:11] <jibel> l'essentiel c'est d'avoir release on-time une fois de plus meme si c'était un peu mouvementé
[08:11] <didrocks> yep ;)
[08:12] <jibel> looking at incoming bug reports the main problem with the installer is the removal of the big fat warning when doing an efi install with an existing legacy system installed
[08:12] <jibel> grub crashes
[08:12] <didrocks> argh
[08:13] <jibel> and regarding upgrades there is this nasty "triggers looping" bug
[08:15] <pitti> bonojur tout le monde !
[08:15] <pitti> congratulations to 18.04 LTS!
[08:15] <didrocks> yeah, the triggers looping one :/
[08:16] <didrocks> Guten Morgen pitti! Danke Schon
[08:16] <pitti> so, gnome-shell LTS :)
[08:17] <didrocks> yes! We'll see how that goes :)
[08:18] <duflu> Morning jibel, pitti
[08:21] <jibel> Bonjour pitti and duflu
[08:27] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:29] <seb128> congrats on the release everyone!
[08:29] <didrocks> salut seb128 :) Congrats as well !
[08:30] <jibel> Salut seb128
[08:31] <duflu> Morning seb128
[08:31] <duflu> Odd the number of 16.04 and 17.10 bug reports I've seen today
[08:32] <willcooke> morning all
[08:32] <duflu> Morning willcooke
[08:32] <didrocks> hey willcooke
[08:32] <seb128> hey willcooke
[08:33] <willcooke> reports from OEM seem to show that bolt is working as it should
[08:33] <didrocks> nice
[08:34] <duflu> Is that something holding up the metaphorical structure, or Thunderbolt? :)
[08:35] <willcooke> they're getting the notifications when the plug a thunderbolt device in
[08:38] <seb128> and the prompt seems to success to auth the device so it can be used
[08:40] <willcooke> \o/
[08:43] <zyga> hey
[08:43] <zyga> does bionic have gnome shell <-> bolt thunderbolt integration?
[08:43] <zyga> oh
[08:43] <didrocks> hey zyga! see the discussion we just got :)
[08:43] <zyga> I see thunderbolt is being discussed :D
[08:43] <zyga> man so funny
[08:43] <didrocks> heh
[08:43] <tjaalton> huh, win+arrow changed the tty, not the window location
[08:43] <tjaalton> wth
[08:44] <zyga> do we plan to back port bolt 0.3 to bionic?
[08:45] <seb128> what do you need from it?
[08:45] <seb128> upstream said there was nothing "important" and that we were fine staying on 0.2
[08:45] <zyga> I don't know yet, just parity I would say
[08:45] <seb128> parity with?
[08:45] <zyga> but if it's just internal refactoring then perhaps not worth it
[08:45] <zyga> with F28
[08:46] <seb128> what's the interest?
[08:46] <zyga> though it would be nice to have LTS-ish release
[08:46] <seb128> newest isn't always better or more stable
[08:46] <seb128> that component is really young
[08:46] <zyga> that true but I don't know if 0.2 will be maintained over time
[08:46] <seb128> I expect quite some changes
[08:46] <zyga> so probably saying on the moving version is better
[08:46] <zyga> but maybe not, just curious
[08:46] <seb128> you seem interested
[08:46] <zyga> now that I have a thunderbolt port :)
[08:47] <seb128> want to become the maintainer in Ubuntu?
[08:47] <seb128> :)
[08:47] <zyga> I don't know what kind of work that is coupled with TBH
[08:47] <zyga> I can help with testing for sure, I have some hardware and I'm genuinely interested in the technology
[08:47] <willcooke> its a trap
[08:49] <seb128> willcooke, shush :p
[08:49] <zyga> oh noes, the death start is operational ;D
[08:50] <seb128> zyga, joke aside, 0.3 was just too close from release and I talked to upstream and he said there was no strong reason that we needed to update
[08:50] <zyga> seb128: understood, thank you :)
[08:50] <seb128> but that component is new and changing
[08:50] <seb128> and it's hardware enablement
[08:50] <willcooke> we will be adding new a new settings panel to B though
[08:50] <seb128> so I expect we are going to SRU new versions
[08:50] <willcooke> for TB
[08:50] <seb128> and add the control panel for LTS .1
[08:50] <jbicha> zyga: want to become the maintainer in Debian? ;)
[08:50] <jbicha> good morning
[08:50] <zyga> jbicha: good morning
[08:51] <zyga> jbicha: I suppose I can co maintain it there, sure
[08:52] <seb128> trolling doesn't work on him :p
[08:52] <seb128> even on a friday!
[08:52] <zyga> I'm really interested
[08:52] <willcooke> morning jbicha
[08:53] <jbicha> zyga: I guess https://salsa.debian.org/freedesktop-team/ would be a good place for it
[08:54] <seb128> zyga, anyway we welcome testing & feedback in any case
[08:54] <seb128> so let us know if/how it works for you
[08:54] <zyga> I'm trying right now
[08:55] <zyga> is bolt responsible for anything thunderbolt or just certain kinds of devices
[08:55] <zyga> for instance TB3/USB adapter seems to be transparent, probably just using usb mode of usb-c
[08:55] <zyga> I need to try with an ethernet adapter next
[08:57] <jbicha> zyga: we appreciate the testing. I don't think any Desktop team members have thunderbolt devices yet
[08:57] <zyga> jbicha: I wonder if it depends on apple vs non-apple
[08:57] <zyga> I have a thinkpad with a single TB3/usb-c port
[08:58] <zyga> I just purchased some adapters, I will have them next wee
[08:58] <zyga> week
[09:01] <willcooke> zyga, are you in Berlin next week at the product sprint?
[09:01] <zyga> no, sadly not
[09:01] <zyga> I could drive over if you need me to :)
[09:01] <zyga> (well, on the train)
[09:01] <zyga> mvo will be there
[09:02] <zyga> why do you ask? could I help somehow?
[09:02] <willcooke> zyga, nah s'fine - was looking to play with some TB hardware :)
[09:08] <zyga> I had it the last time in Budapest :)
[09:08] <willcooke> we didnt have bolt MIRed at that point
[09:08] <willcooke> I think
[09:08] <zyga> ah I see
[09:09] <zyga> I didn't know about it before I read F28 release news
[09:11] <andyrock> good morning!
[09:15] <willcooke> hey andyrock
[09:18] <seb128> hey andyrock, how are you?
[09:19] <andyrock> hey seb128! fine you?
[09:19] <seb128> I'm good thanks
[09:19] <andyrock> checking errors.ubuntu.com
[09:19] <andyrock> :D
[09:19] <seb128> enjoy my day off by chatting with nice desktop people about the new Ubuntu :)
[09:19] <seb128> haha
[09:20] <didrocks> andyrock: you can see how seb is totally off ;)
[09:20] <andyrock> lol
[09:25] <duflu> andyrock, I think it's too early to check the error stats. It takes a week or two for most people to upgrade
[09:25] <jbicha> in other news, Fedora 28 will release in a few days, on time for once<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:25] <duflu> Also morning andyrock
[09:26] <willcooke> is that xorg issue someting we should flag up right away?
[09:35] <duflu> willcooke, which issue?
[09:36] <willcooke> oh, ignore
[09:36] <willcooke> :)
[09:36] <willcooke> hm
[09:36] <willcooke> https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/4de849dfec89af168af9cda3318221a2a654e530
[09:37] <didrocks> zyga: hey, does is make sense for my classic snap to try using ld-linux from the core snap?
[09:37] <didrocks> zyga: lead myself to a segfault
[09:38] <zyga> yes, it should
[09:38] <didrocks> zyga: I think there is a bionic vs xenial issue though…
[09:38] <didrocks> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
[09:38] <didrocks> 0x00007ffff7dda949 in ?? () from /snap/core/current/lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2
[09:38] <didrocks> in gdb
[09:38] <didrocks> for a go program
[09:42] <duflu> willcooke, yeah I was thinking about that bug again recently, as it happens.
[09:43] <duflu> I've been frustrated at how non-obvious and hard it is to just launch 'Xorg'
[09:43] <duflu> Turns out you need to tell it the current VT:  Xorg :0 vt4
[10:10] <duflu> Happy release weekend peoples
[10:10]  * duflu shuts down
[10:11] <didrocks> see you duflu!
[10:22] <willcooke> brb
[10:59] <Laney> moin
[11:58] <ads20000> willcooke: the link to the communitheme snap in your bionic insights article is wrong
[11:58] <ads20000> it points to https://communitheme rather than snap://communitheme :)
[13:19] <Laney> EPIC FAIL
[13:20] <willcooke> stupid wordpress
[13:25] <marathone> Congratulations to the Desktop Team!
[13:31] <acheronuk> hi. is intended to still have "update-manager -cd" and "sudo do-release-upgrade -d" in the release notes?
[13:34] <marathone> !isitout
[13:37] <willcooke> acheronuk, ah, good spot.  Thanks
[13:37] <acheronuk> np
[13:38]  * willcooke heads home
[13:38] <willcooke> "see" you next week on IRC
[13:58] <acheronuk> hmmmm. willcooke's edit lock on the releasenotes wiki page expired. maybe went home without making any change?
[13:59] <acheronuk> I would just remove the -d if that is what you want, but not sure if it's intended to put some explanation in it's place that upgrades are not turned on in the meta just yet?
[14:01] <jbicha> acheronuk: the -d is still needed until http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release is updated
[14:03] <acheronuk> jbicha: that was why I asked if it was intentional. i.e. that you wanted the instructions in the main notes to force upgrades now, even though the meta is not updated
[14:05] <acheronuk> so all is good if that is what you want :)
[14:06] <jbicha> acheronuk: unless you want to add an explanation of why the "-d" is needed for the next few days…
[14:08] <mgedmin> that would be very welcome; I _always_ get confused the first day after a release, before the meta-release gets updated
[14:58] <jbicha> mgedmin: do you have wiki write access? I guess a note would be good since all of these third party sites will post instructions using " -d" and that will be Fun when we open up Chaotic Chameleon for updates
[14:59] <mgedmin> I doubt I have access
[14:59]  * mgedmin is currently recovering from a failed 17.10 -> 18.04 upgrade
[15:00] <Laney> umm, no, we should just be advising people to wait until it's turned on
[15:00] <jbicha> ok, let me do that…
[15:01] <Laney> the reason there's a little delay is to give a chance to shake out upgrade bugs if there are any
[15:05] <Laney> thx!
[15:43] <mpt> didrocks, jbicha: How do I re-run gnome-initial-setup if it’s already run? (Typing “gnome-initial-setup” at the terminal claims it’s not found, but trying to install it says it’s already manually installed.)
[15:49] <jbicha> 2 ways:
[15:49] <jbicha> /usr/lib/gnome-initial-setup/gnome-initial-setup --existing-user
[15:49] <didrocks> mpt: you need to run /usr/lib/gnome-initial-setup/gnome-initial-setup --existing-use, but it have a missing lib that way
[15:49] <jbicha> or just rm   ~/.config/gnome-initial-setup-done
[15:49] <didrocks> ah no, it should be fine in your system
[15:49] <didrocks> mpt: if you remove the file jbicha points at, you need to logout/login again
[15:50] <jbicha> didrocks: no you don't :)
[15:50] <didrocks> hum
[15:50] <didrocks> you mean i just have to remove the file and the autostart will kick in?
[15:50] <jbicha> yes :|
[15:50] <mpt> Ask two people, get three answers :-D
[15:50] <didrocks> waow, didn't know the check was done regularly in Application phase
[15:51] <didrocks> mpt: because we love you :)
[15:51] <jbicha> you have to log out for the first time if gnome-initial-setup wasn't installed before, see LP: #1697769 for the similar tracker issue
[15:52] <mpt> Hmm, so the window is not closable, minimizable, or unmaximizable, but you can drag it away from the top bar, which makes it 242*56 pixels. That’s interesting behavior.
[15:56] <jbicha> if you have a big enough screen, it's not maximized
[15:56] <jbicha> but in that case, it's not movable either!
[16:05] <didrocks> have a good week-end everyone!
[16:33] <fuzzylaw> Hey guys, How do I enable workspace isolation in ubuntu 18.04?


[12:14] <bhale> hi crimsun
[12:16] <StevenK> crimsun: wlassistant 0.5.5-0ubuntu3.1 has been accepted into -proposed, I'd like the same fix for feisty.
[12:16] <StevenK> crimsun: I've prepared 0.5.5-0ubuntu4
[12:17] <crimsun> StevenK: k, just shoot me a URL
[12:17] <crimsun> 'lo bhale
[12:17] <StevenK> crimsun: Thanks. :-) Give me a sec.
[12:27] <sistpoty> mr_pouit: FYI: you don't need to supply a changes file (it's only useful to verify that you are uploading stuff)... it's even a little bit risky: if you could upload to universe, anyone could grab that file and upload that very package in your name
[12:28] <mr_pouit> sistpoty: mmh, too late (but I will now for the next time)
[12:28] <luca> hi everyone
[12:28] <sistpoty> hi luca
[12:29] <luca> does anyone know how to install the gspca driver for webcams on Ubuntu?
[12:30] <mr_pouit> sistpoty: from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU : "The changelog entry and resulting .changes file must include a reference to the corresponding bug report(s)" << I thought giving the changes file was also needed :/
[12:31] <sistpoty> mr_pouit: it's the other way round: in the changes file, there must be a reference to the bug (which means that the bug in question must be named in the last changelog entry)
[12:31] <mr_pouit> sistpoty: yes, after re-reading it, that's clear, indeed ^^
[12:32] <luca> when I use checkinstall to try to install it, I get the following error...
[12:32] <sistpoty> mr_pouit: but even if you're asked for a changes file, you shouldn't sign it (unless actually a sponsor wants to find out that the package is undoubtly by you)
[12:32] <luca> dpkg: errore processando /home/luca/Eseguibili/gspcav1-20060925/gspcav1_20060925
[12:32] <luca> -1_i386.deb (--install):
[12:32] <luca>  tentata sovrascrittura di `/lib/modules/2.6.17-10-generic/modules.alias', che s
[12:32] <luca> i trova anche nel pacchetto linux-image-2.6.17-10-generic
[12:33] <crimsun> it's that ... word again
[12:33] <luca> it says I am trying to overwrite /lib/modules/2.6.17-10-generic/modules.alias
[12:33] <sistpoty> crimsun: checkinstall, checkinstall, checkinstall :P
[12:33] <StevenK> Argh!
[12:33] <luca> which is already in the linux-image package
[12:34] <luca> anybody has any idea? sorry for the many lines up :(
[12:34] <mr_pouit> sistpoty: ok (but as dput uploads the changes file on revu, I thought it wasn't dangerous. But I just checked, and changes files on revu aren't world-readable)
[12:35] <sistpoty> mr_pouit: yep... as I said before, the changes file is only useful to validate if the upload is from you...
[12:35] <sistpoty> mr_pouit: and thus revu also needs to check, wether you're allowed to upload to it, it needs the changes file as well ;)
[12:35] <sistpoty> s/thus/because/
[12:36] <mr_pouit> ok, understood : I won't do it anymore, I promise :p
[12:36] <mr_pouit> thanks for your help ;)
[12:36] <sistpoty> mr_pouit: you're welcome
[12:41] <luca> does anybody know anything about how to install that driver?
[12:41] <luca> it seems it wants to write somewhere where it can't, and I have no idea on what to do with it
[12:44] <sistpoty> luca: you might have noticed that we aren't very happy about dosemu... if you have the source-tarball to the driver, you could try using module-assistant to build a kernel-module
[12:44] <sistpoty> s/dosemu/checkinstall/ ... hehe mixing my current bug report with this
[12:45] <luca> sispoty: how would I do it, with which command? and..uh, you mean the lines up there? sorry aout them :(
[12:46] <sistpoty> luca: not really... it's about checkinstall, which causes us more work than it's useful for
[12:46] <crimsun> StevenK: uploaded & accepted.
[12:46] <StevenK> crimsun: Ahh, thanks so much.
[12:46] <crimsun> np
[12:47] <luca> sispoty: so I would do it? in any case, if I use checkinstall I am later able to unistall easily......I had *pains* when I tried to uninstall gaim beta 5 which I had installed with a normal make install....
[12:48] <luca> sorry, I meant how would I do it?
[12:49] <crimsun> hmm, isn't gaim 2.0b5 backported?
[12:49] <luca> what do you mean? I am still greenish in ubuntu architecture and programs...
[12:50] <sistpoty> luca: it's s.th. like apt-get install module-assistant, put the source to the kernel module to /usr/src/modules (I assume you'd need gspcav2 directory in there)
[12:50] <sistpoty> luca: and then just run module-assistant which will guide you further...
[12:51] <sistpoty> luca: but it might not work at all... has been a while since I last played with it
[12:52] <luca> woah that's a bit long for a command...ok I will try it
[12:52] <luca> uh sorry
[12:52] <luca> nevermind
[12:54] <luca> ehm ok now?
[12:54] <StevenK> '
[12:54] <luca> I have a list of modules...what should I do?
[12:55] <sistpoty> luca: is gspcav2 there?
[12:55] <luca> nope
[12:55] <luca> I was UNABLE to install it after all :(
[12:55] <sistpoty> luca: nope, the point of module-assistant is to build a debian package from the source of the kernel module... which you can install then
[12:56] <luca> uhm ok I used the command from the folder where the source is
[12:56] <sistpoty> luca: did you put the gspcav2 directory from the source of the driver to /usr/src/modules?
[12:57] <luca> I got the tar file, and untarred it into a specific folder
[12:57] <luca> in which I am right now
[12:58] <luca> let me check if I actually *have* the source in the tar...
[12:59] <luca> uhm I only see the build
[12:59] <luca> however I have gspcav2
[12:59] <luca> not v1
[01:00] <luca> sorry v1 not v2, switched
[01:01] <sistpoty> luca: could work as well... try to copy this to /usr/src/modules
[01:01] <luca> the build?
[01:03] <luca> nope
[01:04] <luca> is there any way to work on the kernel?
[01:04] <luca> I mean
[01:05] <luca> I do not think it is an error of checkinstall that the program wants to write on that file... :(
[01:08] <ajmitch> don't worry, checkinstall is an error in itself
[01:08] <crimsun> :-)
[01:08] <ajmitch> hello crimsun
[01:08] <crimsun> 'lo ajmitch
[01:08] <ajmitch> lovely sunny & warm day here :)
[01:08] <ajmitch> shame I have to work inside
[01:08] <luca> o_O ok.....is there any program which can do its work then? I'd rather *not* use make install nay more...
[01:08] <crimsun> raining & cold here, but it's warm indoors :)
[01:09] <luca> luckier than I am, here it is cloudy :)
[01:11] <crimsun> 'evening, bddebian
[01:12] <luca> so, any advice?
[01:12] <bddebian> Hi crimsun
[01:12] <luca> in any case module-assistant does not see the gspca module :(
[01:13] <sistpoty> luca: hm... I'm just trying s.th. myself... give me a few minutes please
[01:13] <luca> ok thanks :D
[01:14] <ajmitch> StevenK: get wlassistant sponsored?
[01:14] <imbrandon> re
[01:14] <imbrandon> moins all
[01:14] <bddebian> Heya imbrandon, ajmitch, sistpoty
[01:14] <imbrandon> heya bddebian
[01:14] <sistpoty> hi bddebian
[01:14] <sistpoty> hi imbrandon
[01:14] <StevenK> ajmitch: Yup. crimsun did it. Thanks, though.
[01:15] <luca> I have to rebbot, see you in a sec
[01:15] <ajmitch> hello bddebian
[01:16] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee
[01:17] <bddebian> Heya Hobbsee
[01:17] <ajmitch> Hobbsee!
[01:18] <Hobbsee> hey imbrandon, bddebian
[01:18] <Hobbsee> hey imbrandon, bddebian, ajmitch!
[01:18] <imbrandon> heh
[01:23] <luca> there I am again
[01:27] <sistpoty> luca: sorry, haven't found a solution that works... :/
[01:32] <sistpoty> hmm... I could vote +1 for my own SRU now *g*
[01:32] <StevenK> sistpoty: Don't do that. :-)
[01:32] <sistpoty> StevenK: would -1 be better? *g*
[01:33] <StevenK> Such a vote of confidence. :-P
[01:33] <crimsun> sistpoty: 72591 looks fine. I wonder if ``fc-cache -f -v'' would have worked.
[01:33] <crimsun> 72951, even
[01:34] <sistpoty> crimsun: I'll try that tomorrow... however I'm not convinced if it should be in the postinst (since it's generated)... what do you think?
[01:34] <crimsun> oh, woops. You probably want to reversion it to 1.2.2-3ubuntu1
[01:35] <crimsun> nah, I wouldn't touch the postinst
[01:35] <crimsun> if it works after a restart of X Window System, it's fine
[01:37] <sistpoty> crimsun: what difference would the version make?
[01:38] <sistpoty> (as it cannot get autosynced due to -ubuntu suffix in edgy)
[01:38] <luca> back again :)
[01:38] <sistpoty> luca: sorry, but I didn't find a solution :/
[01:39] <luca> sistpoty: thanks anyway
[01:39] <luca> is there anyway to act on the kernel?
[01:39] <luca> or at least give the installer permission to write on that file
[01:40] <sistpoty> luca: you can always force install stuff... but I'd really be very careful with it ;)
[01:40] <sistpoty> luca: as in make a backup first
[01:40] <luca> uhm ok.....
[01:40] <crimsun> sistpoty: eek, so dapper and edgy have identical (for now) versions. Guess we need to make it a dapper-specific version.
[01:41] <sistpoty> crimsun: nope. dapper has now 1.2.2-3build1, and edgy has 1.2.2-5ubuntu1
[01:41] <luca> so I would have to use make install -f right?
[01:41] <sistpoty> crimsun: so both 1.2.2-3build1.1 and 1.2.2-3ubuntu1 would not be in conflict
[01:42] <crimsun> err
[01:42] <crimsun> I apparently forgot how to read "Removed"
[01:42] <sistpoty> luca: erm... I thought checkinstall would produce a debian package?
[01:42] <luca> yeah it has
[01:43] <sistpoty> luca: you just need dpkg --force-all -i foobar.deb
[01:43] <crimsun> sistpoty: my original issue w/ the version was that it isn't strictly a no-change rebuild anymore
[01:43] <crimsun> 1.2.2-3ubuntu0.1 or whatever
[01:43] <luca> ok done
[01:44] <luca> system is not crashing for now
[01:44] <luca> :P
[01:44] <sistpoty> crimsun: that's true, will be clearer I guess... I'll update the debdiff
[01:44] <crimsun> sistpoty: thanks!
[01:46] <sistpoty> crimsun: thanks for looking... updated ;)
[01:47] <crimsun> & commented. :)
[01:47] <sistpoty> thanks
[01:47] <crimsun> thank _you_ :)
[01:48] <luca> uhm nope I fear, I have installed it and rebooted,but the webcam does not seem to function :(
[01:48] <luca> can I force the activation of gspca?
[02:16] <sistpoty> I'm off to bed now... gn8 everyone
[02:16] <ajmitch> night sistpoty
[02:17] <luca> night and thnx
[02:22] <joejaxx> ajmitch: are there any tools to extract an rpm in the ubuntu repository?
[02:22] <ajmitch> alien
[02:22] <joejaxx> ok
[02:51] <imbrandon> isnt rpm also in the ubuntu repos ?
[02:51] <imbrandon> ( the program not the format )
[02:51] <Burgwork> imbrandon: yes, yes it is
[02:51] <Burgwork> we just issued a security alert, I believe
[02:51] <imbrandon> heay Burgwork
[02:52] <imbrandon> heh
[02:52] <Burgwork> it is required for LSB compliance
[02:52] <imbrandon> zomg i'm going to strangle gambas upstream
[02:52] <ajmitch> hey imbrandon, Burgwork
[02:52] <Burgwork> hey ajmitch
[02:52] <imbrandon> heya ajmitch
[02:52] <ajmitch> what's up?
[02:53] <imbrandon> fsking, ok , you know gambas right ?
[02:53] <ajmitch> yeah
[02:53] <imbrandon> the runtime thats "like" vb etc etc etc
[02:53] <imbrandon> ok anyhow in their IDE they have a "make source archive" thats great , it makes a tar.gz etc of the source
[02:53] <imbrandon> of your project
[02:54] <imbrandon> BUT they also have a make "redist package" too
[02:54] <imbrandon> and it will make redhat / suse / madriva rpm and debian debs
[02:54] <imbrandon> BUT how it makes the debs is to make a redhat rpm then alien it
[02:55] <minghua> alien depends on rpm IIRC
[02:55] <imbrandon> right but they actualy make the rpm the correct(ish) way witha .spec etc
[02:56] <imbrandon> then use alien to make a deb if you tick the debian box
[02:56] <ajmitch> imbrandon: so they ship broken stuff - what's new?
[02:56] <imbrandon> ajmitch: heh we'll i've actualy been happy with it most of the time
[02:56] <imbrandon> i use it soemtimes for quick ptroto type stuff
[02:56] <imbrandon> prototype
[02:56] <imbrandon> untill now
[02:57] <ajmitch> if it can't be prototyped in python, it's not worth doing :)
[02:57] <Burgwork> imbrandon: that is not altogether unknown.  :D
[03:04] <elkbuntu> wiiprush, i thought mine was on my google tshirt still. it wasnt.
[03:05] <ajmitch> wiiprush: quite possible
[03:08] <crimsun> imbrandon: you shouldn't have further problems with flashplugin-nonfree <IP_ADDRESS>.2ubuntu1
[03:08] <wiiprush> ajmitch: I was asking because I just "got it" today
[03:08] <ajmitch> heh
[03:08] <ajmitch> that's cool
[03:08] <crimsun> imbrandon: note the change in semantics
[03:08] <imbrandon> crimsun: cool, thanks
[03:08] <wiiprush> hmm, was that the "you said no to the license, haha." error today?
[03:09] <crimsun> yes, it now defaults to accepting the license silently
[03:09] <crimsun> (!!)
[03:09] <wiiprush> neat.
[03:09] <imbrandon> hehe
[03:09] <ajmitch> that sounds slightly bad
[03:09] <crimsun> big fat warning in the package description to boot.
[03:10] <ajmitch> noone reads descriptions
[03:10] <crimsun> a vitriolic bug submitter felt that the license acceptance step was a crock
[03:11] <wiiprush> I'm sure it beats them uploading checkinstalled .debs of the plugin into malone, heh.
[03:11] <ajmitch> wiiprush: please don't make me cry
[03:12] <imbrandon> ( and dont give them ideas )
[03:14] <wiiprush> heh
[03:16] <Simon80_> lol, checkinstalled
[03:16] <Simon80_> haha
[03:24] <luca> does anyone here use a Pixart Imaging webcam?
[03:28] <imbrandon> luca: you might get more help in a support channell ( and no i dont have any webcams )
[03:29] <imbrandon> wiiprush: so have you figured out any things about the wii that you aresnt supose to be able to do with it , like run ubuntu :)
[03:29] <imbrandon> hahaha
[03:30] <crimsun> the day that I make a wii do merges for me will be a _glorious_ day
[03:30] <imbrandon> hehe
[03:30] <luca> imbrandon: such as? :)
[03:30] <imbrandon> i still love my xboxes just for the fact i can run linux on them, thats the only reason i keep em arround
[03:31] <imbrandon> luca: such as #ubuntu
[03:31] <imbrandon> or #kubuntu dependsing what your running
[03:31] <imbrandon> or LP support tickets, or the forums
[03:31] <luca> uhm ok thanks - nothing more specific?
[03:31] <Lathiat> i think its played 2 games in its life :)
[03:31] <luca> forums - already tried that :(
[03:31] <imbrandon> yea i have XBMC loaded on one thats connected to the TV and gentoo on the 8 others
[03:32] <crimsun> a file manager on 8 boxes? sheesh.
[03:32] <imbrandon> i should ebay half of them and get a ps3 and run ubuntu ppc on it :)
[03:33] <imbrandon> crimsun: hehe no the distro :)
[03:33] <imbrandon> its one of the few that works on xbox out of the box
[03:33] <luca> you can run ubuntu on a ps3?
[03:33] <luca> that's interesting....
[03:33] <imbrandon> yes you can run any ppc distro on the ps3 ( even supported )
[03:34] <imbrandon> not hacked like the xbox
[03:34] <Lathiat> imbrandon: you have *8* xboxes? ;p
[03:34] <crimsun> one for each kid
[03:34] <imbrandon> Lathiat: i have 9, 8 in a cluster that are headless, and one on the TV with XBMC
[03:34] <Lathiat> heh
[03:34] <Lathiat> cute
[03:34] <StevenK> What the heck do you need 8 xboxes in a cluster for?
[03:35] <imbrandon> hahaha crimsun i only have 3 kiddo's :)
[03:35] <crimsun> I call that excessive, but YMMV
[03:35] <Lathiat> StevenK: plotting the destruction of microsoft?
[03:35] <imbrandon> StevenK: geek factor :), i havent found anything usefull to do with them yet
[03:35] <imbrandon> they sit and run seti@home all day
[03:36] <crimsun> sheesh, they could at least do some merges for us...
[03:36] <imbrandon> crimsun: hehye thats why i was on the quest to get distcc and such working with pbuilder
[03:36] <imbrandon> i thought it would be awesom
[03:36] <imbrandon> but alas, there is "issues" with that
[03:37] <imbrandon> and each one idivudaly sucks
[03:37] <imbrandon> 733 celeron with 64mb ram and 8gb hdd
[03:37] <imbrandon> and a gforce2 card intergrated i think
[03:37] <imbrandon> nope
[03:37] <Lathiat> nope, thats what they are
[03:37] <StevenK> Oh well
[03:38] <imbrandon> you can pick them up at most pawn shops for like $25 now, thats what i did, no gmaes, no controler, etc etc etc
[03:38] <imbrandon> and softmod them
[03:39] <imbrandon> i used to mod and sell them a while back, but that market went away with the 360
[03:40] <ajmitch> MS won't be happy with you :)
[03:40] <Lathiat> $25? shees
[03:40] <Lathiat> theyre still a good $125AUD here
[03:40] <imbrandon> ajmitch: heh
[03:40] <imbrandon> Lathiat: yea if you buy them new they are still arround $100 i think, but the pawn shops usaly have them cheap
[03:40] <Lathiat> nah like $125 "pre-played"
[03:41] <imbrandon> specialy ones with no hookups etc
[03:41] <Lathiat> i havent actually tried a pawn shop tho
[03:41] <Lathiat> should check there
[03:41] <imbrandon> because for a headless server you only need a cat5 cable and power
[03:41] <imbrandon> :)
[03:41] <Lathiat> there a special power plug tho, no?
[03:41] <StevenK> But that makes it a pretty crappy server.
[03:41] <Lathiat> do they usually come with power?
[03:42] <imbrandon> i even have one that has no case, just runs in a cardboard box, i got that one free from someone that thought they broke it
[03:42] <Lathiat> haha
[03:42] <crimsun> wow, nice patch attached to debian 398381
[03:42] <imbrandon> StevenK: better than my file server thats 333mhz and 96mb ram
[03:42] <imbrandon> StevenK: you CAN put bigger HDD's in them if you want
[03:43] <imbrandon> but i never spent the money on that, just used the 8GB ones that come wqith it
[03:43] <imbrandon> plus they make good media center pc's
[03:43] <Lathiat> crimsun: hah, nice
[03:43] <imbrandon> small, quiet, play dvd's stream stuff over the network etc etc etc
[03:43] <Lathiat> yeh, XBMC really does rock out
[03:44] <Lathiat> kicks the pants off anything else i've seen
[03:44] <imbrandon> yea XBMC is by far the best dashboard for it
[03:44] <imbrandon> imho
[03:45] <imbrandon> plus even mod'ed they still play original ( even copy and play copied ) games
[03:45] <imbrandon> the only thing you loose when moding a xbox is the ability to play xbox live games, but then you can use a hack to play them with xbox connect
[03:45] <imbrandon> and other free services
[05:17] <imbrandon> ...
[05:18] <ajmitch> !
[05:18] <imbrandon> !=
[05:19] <bddebian> ==
[05:57] <nn> could someone assist me with the submission of some packages to add Department of Defense Common Access Card (CAC) support to ubuntu? :)
[06:05] <crimsun> what sort of assistance?
[06:18] <nn> crimsun, Basically just need to know what I have to do to get a package (Cool Key) accepted. I've prepared a short document describing how to set up the DoD CAC reader and build the CoolKey package, as well as the needed .diff patch to modify the source to build properly on ubuntu
[06:23] <crimsun> nn: the necessary instructions are for REVU; see the channel's topic
[06:38] <Amaranth> need some help with a package for a python extension using cdbs
[06:39] <Amaranth> it puts the .la file in the python support dir but the .so ends up in the regular python path
[06:39] <Amaranth> pastebin'ing rules
[06:39] <Amaranth> http://rafb.net/paste/results/GvrCzi35.html
[06:51] <crimsun> imbrandon: ping, do you have any ubuntu installs running in xen or vmware?
[06:54] <imbrandon> crimsun: i have a 64bit edgy install in vmware
[06:55] <crimsun> imbrandon: any possibility of having root access to one such install with network access?
[06:55] <crimsun> (I need to set up a vpn or at least an ssh tunnel)
[06:55] <imbrandon> crimsun: sure, i have one thats basicly a throw away install
[06:55] <crimsun> ok, thanks
[06:56] <imbrandon> crimsun: give me a few minutes to make sure its still running , if not i'll have to fireup vmware
[07:19] <joejaxx> no one is awake :(
[07:19] <crimsun> of course we're awake
[07:20] <joejaxx> :D
[07:21] <imbrandon> we're just busy coding away
[07:21] <imbrandon> ( or something to that effect )
[07:22] <joejaxx> i need something to code
[07:22] <joejaxx> i want to code something that is not already out there
[07:22] <imbrandon> brb afk ~30 min or so
[07:22] <joejaxx> something beneficial to a broad range of people
[07:22] <imbrandon> joejaxx: fix universe :)
[07:24] <joejaxx> imbrandon: i was aiming at something bigger than that but what is wrong with it
[07:24] <joejaxx> what is wrong with universe? lol
[07:25] <crimsun> well for starters none of the packages use checkinstall
[07:25] <dholbach> good morning
[07:25] <crimsun> that should be fixed immediately
[07:25] <crimsun> hi daniel
[07:25] <dholbach> heya Daniel!
[07:25] <joejaxx> crimsun: checkinstall is bad :(
[07:25] <crimsun> yes, that's the point
[07:26] <crimsun> we should also introduce as many unchecked, nonredistributable packages as possible
[07:26] <joejaxx> uh
[07:26] <joejaxx> lol
[07:26] <joejaxx> hello dholbach
[07:26] <dholbach> hey joejaxx
[07:26] <crimsun> (yes, it's a joke)
[07:27] <joejaxx> oh ok lol
[07:28] <joejaxx> crimsun: but what was imbrandon talking about
[07:28] <joejaxx> Laser_away: lol
[07:28] <crimsun> probably the outstanding merges
[07:28] <crimsun> and our ever-accumulating bug count
[07:29] <joejaxx> well what is left to be merged?
[07:30] <crimsun> merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html
[07:30] <crimsun> just a couple source packages
[07:30] <nixternal> is there a merge i can work on now that won't step on someones toes and would be rather elementary ;)
[07:30] <crimsun> feel free to take any of mine
[07:31] <joejaxx> so people take debian packages
[07:32] <joejaxx> repackage/update them for ubuntu
[07:32] <joejaxx> and upload them to something sort of like revu for motu?
[07:32] <crimsun> merges are updating ubuntu-specific changes into newer debian packages
[07:32] <joejaxx> yeah
[07:32] <joejaxx> ok
[07:32] <crimsun> you'd use LP for merges and syncs
[07:33] <joejaxx> ah ok
[07:33] <Laser_away> crimsun: nifty Flash 9
[07:34] <crimsun> Laser_away: it made me a sad panda, but I suppose the users come first.
[07:34] <joejaxx> crimsun: but the merges left that means people have not uploaded them?
[07:34] <crimsun> joejaxx: or newer ones. So, correct.
[07:34] <joejaxx> ah ok
[07:35] <Laser_away> crimsun: yeah, it at least fixed my topsecretrecipies.com domestic issue ;-)
[07:35] <Laser_away> crimsun: I'm even thinking of making Ubuntu the default boot on my machines now
[07:35] <joejaxx> has someone created a script to tell which packages need to be updated?
[07:35] <joejaxx> Laser_away: nice
[07:35] <joejaxx> :)
[07:35] <crimsun> joejaxx: several people have. You're looking at one set of output from the MoM tool.
[07:36] <joejaxx> oh ok
[07:36] <crimsun> yes, fixing bugs.
[07:37] <joejaxx> you all want that automatated?
[07:37] <crimsun> it's nearly impossible.
[07:37] <nixternal> crimsun: should i upload to revu?
[07:37] <crimsun> nixternal: only if it's a new source package
[07:37] <crimsun> merges and syncs -> LP
[07:37] <Laser_away> crimsun: I can make a script to mark all the bugs "Fix Released" :-)
[07:38] <joejaxx> crimsun: not entirely :) if you build an ai api to parse bugs for keywords
[07:38] <crimsun> notice how I neatly avoided saying "closing bugs" :p
[07:38] <joejaxx> the problem then is
[07:38] <joejaxx> when one bug affects multiple packages
[07:39] <joejaxx> if the bug was descriptive enough you could probably have it fix one package
[07:39] <joejaxx> but i do not know about multiple
[07:39] <nixternal> crimsun: just so i don't fubar this, it is a merge from a new upstream release in unstable, so that goes to revu?
[07:39] <crimsun> I think if you can code up an "AI API" to fix bugs, multiple release handling will be a cinch
[07:39] <joejaxx> ones*
[07:39] <nixternal> kst is the package i am referring to
[07:39] <joejaxx> hmm
[07:40] <crimsun> nixternal: new source packages only -> revu
[07:40] <nixternal> roger
[07:40] <crimsun> nixternal: kst already exists in Ubuntu, so you'd use LP
[07:40] <nixternal> ok
[07:41] <joejaxx> crimsun: i have to draw up a concept for it
[07:41] <crimsun> I already drew up one having rainbows and ponies
[07:41] <crimsun> unfortunately it didn't go over so well
[07:41] <joejaxx> one problem whould be when you get a bug description like
[07:41] <joejaxx> "my package is broken"
[07:42] <joejaxx> crimsun: Lol
[07:42] <crimsun> no, that's a relatively easy "fix": just respond with "no YUO", rejected.
[07:42] <joejaxx> LOl
[07:42] <joejaxx> what about backports
[07:43] <joejaxx> is that not automated as well?
[07:43] <crimsun> backports are automated to a degree
[07:43] <joejaxx> oh ok
[07:43] <crimsun> fixing bugs is difficult
[07:43] <joejaxx> hmm
[07:44] <joejaxx> i should start browsing /ubuntu/+bugs on launchpad
[07:44] <joejaxx> and see how people submit them
[07:44] <joejaxx> ie the content of the description
[07:44] <crimsun> just subscribe to the firehose that is ubuntu-bugs
[07:45] <joejaxx> ok
[07:46] <joejaxx> well one downfall whould be it whould not be able to do hardware bugs
[07:46] <joejaxx> but bugs with packages maybe
[07:46] <minghua> ubuntu-universe-bugs is a (slightly) thinner firehose
[07:47] <joejaxx> that whould exclude the hardware bugs right?
[07:50] <minghua> no.  that exclude bugs filed against main packages, I suppose.
[07:51] <joejaxx> oh ok
[07:51] <joejaxx> i was just surprised that hardware bugs whould be mixed in there
[07:57] <nixternal> is there a correct way/template to file a merge bug report on malone?
[07:57] <joejaxx> wow i just noticed
[07:57] <joejaxx> gmail does not allow you to create different inbox folders
[07:57] <crimsun> nixternal: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-August/000182.html
[07:58] <nixternal> my hero ;p
[08:00] <joejaxx> anyone else here use gmail?
[08:00] <nixternal> i do
[08:00] <imbrandon> wiiprush: hahahahahahahah omg, you almost made me pee myself laughing ...... quote: "1st guy on the left,(Jono): "I'm not really into pokemon...""
[08:00] <joejaxx> are you able to create different folders?
[08:00] <nixternal> never tried..i will do that now
[08:00] <wiiprush> imbrandon: xkcd for the win dude
[08:00] <imbrandon> right on
[08:01] <imbrandon> :)
[08:01] <wiiprush> imbrandon: dude, where's my beryl love man?
[08:01] <joejaxx> ahhh
[08:01] <joejaxx> nixternal: Labels are like folders
[08:01] <nixternal> ya
[08:01] <imbrandon> man , i have it but imho its still crackish so i havent uploaded it, i guess i could clean that uptonight and doso
[08:01] <joejaxx> i did not know that
[08:01] <nixternal> i was sitting here looking for folders wonder wth they went
[08:02] <imbrandon> giskard: was doing some too, i dunno where his went, i hate dupelication
[08:02] <imbrandon> heh
[08:02] <imbrandon> giskard: did you uplaod your packages ?
[08:02] <imbrandon> ( plus they had some non gpl cruft i had to clean out that makes one of the packages kinda uesless )
[08:04] <imbrandon> wiiprush: zomg, i'm gonna sooo laugh about that for a few days
[08:05] <Sp4rKy> hi there
[08:05] <imbrandon> hello Sp4rKy
[08:05] <wiiprush> imbrandon: bonus points if you know what album I refer to in my first line of dialogue.
[08:05] <Sp4rKy> o/ imbrandon
[08:06] <imbrandon> hrm, give me 10 minutes to think, i bet i do
[08:06] <Hobbsee> right, 2 merges done
[08:07] <joejaxx> Hobbsee: yay :) nice
[08:08] <imbrandon> wiiprush: hrm i guess not, probably some 90's stuff :)
[08:08] <imbrandon> ( or a 80's band brought into the 00's )
[08:08] <imbrandon> heh
[08:10] <wiiprush> imbrandon: I am going to punch you next time I see you.
[08:10] <Hobbsee> wiiprush: i believe that would be against the COC
[08:10] <wiiprush> Hobbsee: In a friendly matter, of course.
[08:11] <Hobbsee> hah
[08:11] <imbrandon> hahahaha
[08:11] <nixternal> is that referring to newstedt?
[08:11] <imbrandon> wiiprush: so whom is it ?
[08:11] <nixternal> metallica?
[08:11] <wiiprush> It's now a quiz on my blog. :p
[08:12] <wiiprush> nixternal got it though
[08:12] <imbrandon> ahh
[08:12] <wiiprush> imbrandon: you're weak dude.
[08:12] <nixternal> that was lars talking about newstedt
[08:12] <nixternal> how the mics were all up super high
[08:12] <wiiprush> ok, you guys can't answer on the blog
[08:12] <nixternal> hehe
[08:12] <imbrandon> k
[08:13] <wiiprush> I want to see what other ubuntu people suck at metal
[08:13] <nixternal> damn, i would have won a pair of shorts or something
[08:13] <wiiprush> so I can single them out
[08:13] <wiiprush> heh
[08:13] <imbrandon> LOL
[08:13] <imbrandon> i rember that tv show
[08:13] <imbrandon> the only reason to watch it was jenny mcarthy
[08:13] <imbrandon> ( singled out )
[08:14] <nixternal> that was one of the first intervies that metallica did on the headbangers ball (can't remember fully though)
[08:14] <nixternal> imbrandon: i was on that show in 1994 in virginia beach..i got knocked off first
[08:14] <nixternal> the chick i was dating met someone though ;)
[08:15] <joejaxx> ok i just setup my email inbox for the ubuntu bugs
[08:15] <nixternal> actually, i didn't get stationed down there until 95
[08:15] <nixternal> so it was after that ;)
[08:15] <nixternal> joejaxx: i use kmail filters for my bugger list
[08:15] <wiiprush> nixternal: marine?
[08:15] <nixternal> squid
[08:16] <wiiprush> normal or submariner?
[08:16] <nixternal> normal thank god
[08:16] <wiiprush> tasty
[08:16] <nixternal> gunner's mate, so i got to shoot the big guns
[08:16] <joejaxx> nixternal: i mean on the server :)
[08:16] <nixternal> ahh
[08:16] <joejaxx> nixternal: i use webmail
[08:17] <nixternal> i need to set that up
[08:17] <nixternal> im going to buy a laptop on friday and will probably start using it for all of my work now
[08:18] <imbrandon> procmail ftw
[08:18] <nixternal> it has been a long time since i setup a mail server, so it should be fun
[08:19] <nixternal> you using imap at all imbrandon ?
[08:21] <Sp4rKy> hi joejaxx :)
[08:21] <joejaxx> Sp4rKy: hello
[08:21] <Sp4rKy> how are you ?
[08:22] <Sp4rKy> joejaxx: did you receive the mail where i ask you to send me your public gpg key
[08:22] <Sp4rKy> to send you your blog account ?
[08:22] <joejaxx> no i did not
[08:24] <joejaxx> crimsun: should i do daily digest?
[08:24] <Sp4rKy> joejaxx: anyway , you are on the e17blog mailing list, right ?
[08:24] <joejaxx> Sp4rKy: yes
[08:24] <Sp4rKy> strange
[08:25] <Sp4rKy> so, please send me your publig gpg key :)
[08:25] <joejaxx> was it a direct email or mailing list?
[08:25] <joejaxx> i am currently setting up folders etc because i have alot of emails
[08:25] <Sp4rKy> like you want
[08:25] <joejaxx> Sp4rKy: in what form
[08:26] <Sp4rKy> joejaxx: only your gpg key , in the  most common form ...
[08:26] <joejaxx> uh
[08:26] <Sp4rKy> and please, if you see him, ask macluvjay to do the same :)
[08:26] <joejaxx> ok i will
[08:26] <Sp4rKy> thx
[08:28] <Sp4rKy> joejaxx: your account has been created on the blog, with english panel, and you can modify the english part of the blog like you want :)
[08:28] <nixternal> Ubugtu is a little spammer tonight in #-bugs
[08:28] <Sp4rKy> :p
[08:30] <joejaxx> ok
[08:31] <joejaxx> nixternal: its not doing anything now lol
[08:31] <nixternal> hehe
[08:31] <nixternal> it stopped for a minute
[08:31] <nixternal> my lord kst takes forever to build
[08:32] <joejaxx> nixternal: why dowa it skip bug numbers
[08:32] <joejaxx> ?
[08:32] <joejaxx> *25
[08:32] <joejaxx> *30
[08:32] <nixternal> im guessing lag
[08:33] <joejaxx> oh ok
[08:33] <nixternal> it does that every now and then, but tonight it seems they are working on it/with it
[08:34] <joejaxx> ah ok
[08:34] <joejaxx> haha
[08:35] <joejaxx> i just subscribed to ubuntu-bugs
[08:35] <nixternal> you are a sick sick man
[08:36] <joejaxx> haha
[08:36] <joejaxx> this should be fun
[08:38] <lastnode> haha
[08:40] <minghua> #ubuntu-bugs is indeed a scary place
[08:42] <joejaxx> same thing with my inbox in 20 seconds
[08:44] <Sp4rKy> :p:D
[08:44] <joejaxx> the bugs
[08:44] <joejaxx> they are coming :D
[08:45] <joejaxx> nice
[08:45] <joejaxx> 4 bugs per second
[08:45] <joejaxx> fun stuff
[08:45] <joejaxx> well it is not like i am going to run out of space
[08:47] <joejaxx> btw
[08:47] <joejaxx> i just saw a feature bug for a backup system
[08:47] <joejaxx> has that ever been implemented?
[08:47] <joejaxx> i heard people talking about it before
[08:48] <nixternal> who should i subscribe this merge request to?
[08:49] <nixternal> i always forget this part
[08:49] <imbrandon> ubuntu-{universe,main}-sponsors depending on where the merge is from
[08:49] <nixternal> universe
[08:52] <nixternal> crimsun: i finished the kst merge for you if you want to take a look -> bug 72975
[08:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 72975 in kst "[Feisty MoM]  Merge kst_1.3.1-1ubuntu1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/72975
[08:53] <crimsun> (looking)
[09:02] <crimsun> nixternal: I presume you pbuilt this merge, correct?
[09:02] <nixternal> yes
[09:02] <nixternal> successfully as well
[09:21] <crimsun> nixternal: uploaded (if you hadn't already received the accepted)
[09:22] <nixternal> cool!
[09:22] <nixternal> thanks for helping out on that
[09:22] <crimsun> thank _you_
[09:22] <nixternal> no problem
[09:22] <nixternal> i promise to grab some more, but im gonna go pass out, and prepare for a day of pigging out ;)
[09:22] <crimsun> kk, happy thanksgiving
[09:23] <nixternal> thanks, and happy thanksgiving to you as well!
[09:23] <nixternal> g'nite everyone
[09:25] <imbrandon> crimsun: ping
[09:25] <imbrandon> is there a reason that a merge wouldent show up on MoM ( and i should still do it even if its not on MoM correct ? )
[09:26] <imbrandon> e.g we have amarok 1.4.4-0ubuntuX and 1.4.4-0.3 is in debian
[09:26] <imbrandon> but its not listed on MoM
[09:26] <imbrandon> does it skip NMU's or something that you know of ?
[09:27] <imbrandon> ohhhh we have an epoc, thats why, never mind
[09:27] <crimsun> right
[09:27] <imbrandon> man i wish there was a way to fix that
[09:28] <imbrandon> i am begning to hate epoc's
[09:28] <crimsun> indeed, epochs are banes
[09:28] <minghua> epochs are called "last resort" for a reason
[09:28] <imbrandon> hrm i wonder if we should make mom compare epoc striped version numbers
[09:29] <imbrandon> that would have pitfals too i guess
[09:29] <minghua> yeah, thing are going to turn nasty when Debian uses an apoch to fix broken version numbers
[09:30] <imbrandon> yea , maybe we could convince the maintainer to add an epoc to match ours, that would be nasty though
[09:30] <imbrandon> but ..... well ... yea nasty
[09:31] <imbrandon> i wonder how many other packages are like that, the only reason i know is i watch that package
[09:31] <imbrandon> probably very few in reality, but still
[09:33] <imbrandon> ok one last thing
[09:33] <imbrandon> since i dont know the debian system well is there a reason that the url http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=amarok
[09:33] <imbrandon> is showing -0.3
[09:34] <imbrandon> but http://packages.debian.org/unstable/kde/amarok only has the dsc for -0.2
[09:34] <imbrandon> does that mean its in incomming or something ? ( crimsun / minghua )
[09:34] <crimsun> packages hasn't synced yet
[09:34] <crimsun> note that packages.qa, however, has
[09:34] <crimsun> (that's why I use the latter)
[09:34] <imbrandon> ahh whats .qa ?
[09:34] <imbrandon> i guess i should too
[09:35] <minghua> just look at the archive directly
[09:35] <minghua> packages.qa.d.o has some delay too
[09:35] <crimsun> PTS, or package tracking system
[09:36] <imbrandon> ahh , ok thanks guys
[09:36] <imbrandon> some things about the debian system still have me baffled at times
[09:36] <Slant_Laptop> What steps do I need to do to get ndiswrapper-1.9 into feisty?
[09:36] <Slant_Laptop> That is, if I have a package prepared?
[09:36] <Slant_Laptop> As the kernel ABI has been updated, but no appropriate packages have been released.
[09:36] <crimsun> ndiswrapper is a main package; MOTU don't deal with those.
[09:36] <Slant_Laptop> crimsun: So where should I go for that?
[09:37] <crimsun> you don't need to go anywhere. Our kernel lead is handling that.
[09:37] <crimsun> 01:52 < BenC> let me finish this ndiswrapper sync and I'll fixup initramfs-tools
[09:38] <minghua> what?  you can survive LP but get baffled by Debian infrastructures? ;-)
[09:38] <imbrandon> ( but generaly if its in main #ubuntu-devel )
[09:38] <imbrandon> minghua: yea, i understand LP for the most part, debian infra still gets me
[09:38] <imbrandon> but i guess its what you get used to :)
[09:39] <imbrandon> 02:38 < imbrandon> ( but generaly if its in main #ubuntu-devel )
[09:39] <imbrandon> Slant_Laptop: ^^ that was for you , just FYI
[09:39] <Slant_Laptop> Ahh, gotcha, thnks!
[09:39] <imbrandon> but as crimsun said BenC has it covered this time
[09:39] <crimsun> (he's already in -devel, which is why I said the above ;)
[09:39] <imbrandon> ahh
[09:40] <Slant_Laptop> imbrandon: Thanks. :-)
[09:47] <imbrandon> ahh crap , their .orig.tar.gz dosent match ours
[09:47] <crimsun> it'd be too easy :p
[09:48] <crimsun> gotta make a core-dev do _some_ work :p
[09:48] <imbrandon> lol yea
[09:48] <imbrandon> heh
[10:07] <imbrandon> crimsun: wonderfull, how does one normaly handle large packge diffrences like this http://federation.imbrandon.com/ss123.png ? if i had my druthers i would just make the ubuntu delta changes to the debian package and uplaod that, but wont that cause a problem with the orig.tar.gz being packaged diffrent ?
[10:09] <crimsun> imbrandon: what are you trying to do?
[10:09] <imbrandon> merge amarok from debian
[10:09] <imbrandon> and it seems to have devirged a TON
[10:09] <crimsun> is the Ubuntu delta self-contained?
[10:09] <imbrandon> ( not my doing )
[10:10] <imbrandon> the delta is mostly just changes to the {control,rules} file, we compile against libs
[10:10] <crimsun> you can try applying Debian's diff.gz to Ubuntu's orig.tar.gz then hand-merging any remaining differences
[10:10] <imbrandon> but the packageing between 1.4.4-0ubuntuX and 1.4.4-0.3 is HUGE diffrence
[10:10] <crimsun> then lastly applying any changelog deltas
[10:11] <imbrandon> even when the debian package usees a tarbal inside like that ?
[10:12] <crimsun> ah, the tarball-in-cdbs route
[10:12] <imbrandon> yea
[10:12] <imbrandon> see its like way way way diffrent than what we have
[10:12] <crimsun> well, unfortunately you'll have to keep Ubuntu's orig.tar.gz, regardless, for 1.4.4
[10:13] <imbrandon> hrm ok
[10:13] <crimsun> imo you'll probably want to fakesync as much as possible
[10:13] <crimsun> the upstream tarballs shouldn't differ much
[10:14] <imbrandon> yea they dont really, the main diff is they way its packaged
[10:14] <crimsun> right
[10:14] <imbrandon> hrm ok, so by fake sync , just take the debian changes and manualy add them you ours and make the version right ?
[10:15] <imbrandon> ( along with their chainlog entrised merged )
[10:15] <crimsun> as much as possible, yes
[10:15] <imbrandon> k
[10:15] <imbrandon> sounds like a plan, a pain , but a plan
[10:15] <crimsun> it's really up to you
[10:15] <crimsun> there's already significant divergence due to the tarball-in-cdbs
[10:16] <imbrandon> yea i think thats the best option imho, then when 1.4.5 hits ( soonish ) i'll make sure its in debian first
[10:16] <imbrandon> and merge
[10:17] <imbrandon> yea the only other way arround that would be changing the tarbal name , and that more evil i think
[10:17] <imbrandon> man i opened some worms with this one
[10:18] <nixternal> well, my dog died at 3:00am ;(
[10:18] <imbrandon> ouch man, no joke?
[10:18] <crimsun> sorry to hear, but at least she's not suffering anymore
[10:18] <nixternal> nope
[10:18] <nixternal> dad just called 15 minutes ago
[10:18] <imbrandon> dude, that sucks, sorry bro
[10:19] <nixternal> ya, the good thing is no more suffering
[10:19] <elkbuntu> nixternal, my sympathies dude :(
[10:19] <nixternal> we kind of knew it was eventually close as she fell ill last week
[10:19] <nixternal> thanks
[10:19] <elkbuntu> nixternal, how old was she?
[10:19] <nixternal> 11
[10:19] <imbrandon> wow yea that pretty good for a dog, 11
[10:20] <nixternal> the hardest part is calling my x-wife and daughter tomorrow and telling them..i don't have the heart to tell me daughter..the x, thats a different story ;)
[10:20] <imbrandon> sorry to hear though man, i know pets can be like family
[10:20] <nixternal> heh, this dog was more than family..i think we were her pets ;)
[10:20] <imbrandon> heheh
[10:20] <nixternal> brb, dad just came home
[10:22] <elkbuntu> my dog died at around 15 and a half, the day i graduated highschool
[10:22] <elkbuntu> which was like.. a few years ago now
[10:23] <elkbuntu> 7 years :|
[10:37] <nixternal> alrighty, so i think i will go ahead and package in memory of holly ;)
[10:51] <imbrandon> wow i think i finaly got this sorted out
[10:51] <imbrandon> test building now
[10:52] <imbrandon> but i did find a bug in the debian amarok i'm going push a NMU for
[10:52] <imbrandon> hehe
[10:52] <crimsun> heh, nice
[11:00] <minghua> currently the S/N ratio is just too small :-(
[11:07] <luca> hi everyone
[11:07] <luca> does anybody here know how to use eclipse?
[11:23] <nixternal> bug 72985 - kvirc2 merge ready - debdiff included
[11:23] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 72985 in kvirc2 "[Feisty MoM] Merge kvirc2_2.1.3-6ubuntu1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/72985
[11:35] <luca> does anyone here run eclipse?
[11:36] <crimsun> not the version in the repos, no.
[11:37] <crimsun> and there seems to be some weird interaction between openvpn 2.0.7-1 and vmware.
[11:37] <imbrandon> not working ?
[11:37] <slytherin> luca: I have but when I was on Dapper. What is problem?
[11:37] <crimsun> it just dies, flatout.
[11:37] <crimsun> Starting virtual private network daemon: server(FAILED).
[11:37] <luca> I am trying to understand how to use it
[11:37] <imbrandon> wow
[11:38] <crimsun> invoking openvpn --verb9 [..]   isn't any more informative
[11:38] <slytherin> luca: In that sense I can help you. I use it daily. What do you want to know?
[11:38] <crimsun> root@seveas64:~# echo $?
[11:38] <crimsun> 1
[11:38] <crimsun> well that's terribly helpful
[11:38] <luca> I have downloaded bioclipse...and thanks by the way :) www.bioclipse.net
[11:38] <luca> also matstat
[11:39] <luca> but I have no idea on how to run them!
[11:39] <imbrandon> ( FWIW you should really use another channel for just plain support )
[11:39] <luca> bioclipse has an executable...which does not function
[11:39] <slytherin> luca: Read what imbrandon has said
[11:39] <imbrandon> crimsun: wow, i've never tried it at all, you have it working on a plain edgy box ?
[11:39] <luca> slytherin: I am already on eclipse, no answers yet :(
[11:40] <crimsun> imbrandon: nope, but it works on my feisty box.
[11:40] <crimsun> I'll try the brute-force dist-upgrade o' death
[11:40] <imbrandon> luca: yes , but not to sound rude, but just bacause you dont get anwsers elsewear dosnt make this a support chan
[11:40] <slytherin> luca: Lets move to #ubuntu
[11:41] <imbrandon> crimsun: your more than welcome to upgrade that box to feisty, if something go's horribly wrong i can hop on console
[11:41] <imbrandon> its only 2 rooms down the ahll
[11:41] <imbrandon> hall*
[11:41] <luca> imbrandon: sorry, I was just trying to ask in many places so maybe someone could help :)
[11:42] <imbrandon> luca: i understand, we just try to keep the signal to noise to a minimum ( sometimes )
[11:42] <luca> imbrandon: I understand it :)
[11:43] <imbrandon> ( not only that but you are likely to get better help and more correct anwsers in the correct place , even if it takes longer to get them )
[11:51] <imbrandon> crimsun: FWIW there is a feisty mirror on "deb http://<IP_ADDRESS>/ubuntu feisty main restricted universe multiverse"
[11:51] <imbrandon> that the VM can use
[11:52] <imbrandon> i forgot to tell you that
[11:52] <imbrandon> ( if you do decide to upgrade it )
[11:52] <imbrandon> actualy there is edgy and feisty mirror there
[11:54] <crimsun> err, ok
[11:55] <imbrandon> should just save you some download times was all i was thinking
[11:55] <imbrandon> its nice to have a mirror on the lan
[11:55] <imbrandon> ( it sync's once an hour )
[11:56] <imbrandon> ok i'm going afk for ~30 minutes of so, bbiab
[11:56] <crimsun> k. might need the vm snapshotted in restarted with the newer feisty image in 10 mins if you're not busy
[11:56] <imbrandon> yup yup
[11:56] <crimsun> snapshotted _and_ restarted, even
[11:56] <imbrandon> can do
[12:00] <ajmitch> morning
[12:04] <crimsun> 'morning ajmitch
[12:05] <ajmitch> I see the undead MOTUs are still up & about, hacking away
[12:05] <ajmitch> when do you ever sleep?
[12:05] <crimsun> when you're not looking
[12:06] <ajmitch> must be
[12:08] <fernando> moin all
[12:20] <fernando> gnome-vfs2 (2.16.2-0ubuntu1) on edgy too?
[12:22] <imbrandon> re
[12:22] <imbrandon> gnight ajmitch
[12:22] <ajmitch> hi imbrandon, night :)
[12:29] <jonh_wendell> How do i change my REVU password?
[12:30] <bhale> jonh_wendell: you can't
[12:30] <jonh_wendell> :(
[12:30] <bhale> someday it will be tied into launchpad for authentication
[12:31] <jonh_wendell> cool
[12:31] <jonh_wendell> Can someone review my package? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3526
[12:44] <Hobbsee> PriceChild!!!
[12:44] <PriceChild> Hobbsee!!! :)
[12:44] <PriceChild> How're you?
[12:44] <dholbach> hobbsee!!!
[12:44] <PriceChild> dholbach!!! :)
[12:45] <dholbach> :-)
[12:45] <Hobbsee> hey dholbach!
[12:45] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: good, i did some merging :)
[12:45] <PriceChild> well done :)
[12:45] <Hobbsee> :)
[12:46] <PriceChild> Check out the forums ;)
[12:46] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: i saw the PM, i didnt check it out.  thanks!
[12:46] <PriceChild> PM?
[12:46] <Hobbsee> private message
[12:47] <PriceChild> what about? :S
[12:47] <Hobbsee> someone else sent it
[12:47] <Hobbsee> about teh avator
[12:47] <PriceChild> oh from Kiwi?
[12:47] <PriceChild> title ;)
[12:47] <Hobbsee> yeah
[12:47] <PriceChild> gd gd
[12:47] <PriceChild> happy?
[12:47] <Hobbsee> er, yeah
[12:47] <PriceChild> hehe
[12:47] <PriceChild> smiling?
[12:47] <Hobbsee> and k-d is installable again :)
[12:47] <PriceChild> k-d?
[12:48] <Hobbsee> kubuntu-desktop sorry
[12:48] <PriceChild> What was wrong with it?
[12:48] <PriceChild> feisty?
[12:48] <TheMuso> Heya Hobbsee.
[12:48] <Hobbsee> hey TheMuso!
[12:49] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: it wasnt installing in feisty - broken deps.
[12:49] <PriceChild> ah k
[12:49] <PriceChild> I'm sure it'll break again :)
[12:49] <PriceChild> just for you :)
[12:49] <Hobbsee> true.  but i wont break it, as i'd need a sponsor to do it
[12:50] <PriceChild> haha :)
[12:51] <crimsun> man, that sounds scary
[12:52] <Hobbsee> crimsun: gotta make something for the deities to fix.
[12:52] <PriceChild> lol
[12:52] <crimsun> whew, at least I won't have to fix it, then :p
[12:52] <Hobbsee> yes you will
[12:53] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: did you want something?
[12:53] <crimsun> Hobbsee: no I won't, I'm no deity.
[12:53] <Hobbsee> oh right, he was just looking to see who was awake
[12:57] <PriceChild> Hobbsee, what're you up to? :)
[12:59] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: right now?  reading logs from Hobbsee|Remote
[12:59] <PriceChild> haha
[12:59] <PriceChild> sounds fun
[01:01] <crimsun> anyone need anything processed before I disappear for the day?
[01:01] <mnepton> how about these fish sticks?
[01:01] <TheMuso> crimsun: Ubuntu bug #72994
[01:01] <crimsun> you're on the ceiling; you don't count.
[01:02] <crimsun> bug 72994
[01:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 72994 in gdis "gdis: Please review/upload this merged package." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/72994
[01:02] <TheMuso> ah
[01:02] <TheMuso> Can never remember the syntax.
[01:04] <crimsun> done.
[01:04] <TheMuso> crimsun: Thanks.
[01:04] <crimsun> np
[01:05] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: Are you slugging tomorrow night?
[01:07] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: possibly.  i already know a fair bit of VOIP :P
[01:07] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: Surely you aren't not going to come just because of that?
[01:07] <Hobbsee> no idea
[01:07] <TheMuso> bah you are no fun.
[01:09] <Hobbsee> ...thanks
[01:09] <TheMuso> hehe
[01:09] <TheMuso> Theres more to slug than just what gets talked about in the talks.
[01:09] <Hobbsee> true that
[01:09] <mnepton> s = ?
[01:10] <imbrandon>  LC_ALL=C apt-cache -i unmet | grep ^Package | cut -d' ' -f2 | sort -u | \
[01:10] <imbrandon>      xargs apt-cache showsrc | grep Package | sed 's/Package\:\ //g' | sort -u
[01:10] <imbrandon> gah
[01:10] <imbrandon> gnight all
[01:10] <imbrandon> mnepton: heh
[01:10] <Hobbsee> heh
[01:11] <mnepton> ok, shift done. i'm a dot.
[01:23] <\sh> siretart: moins, what is the source package of linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-ubuntu1-fai-kernels_1_i386.deb ?
[01:24] <Fujitsu> !info linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-ubuntu1-fai-kernels
[01:24] <ubotu> Package linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-ubuntu1-fai-kernels does not exist in any distro I know
[01:29] <\sh> found it
[01:32] <\sh> ubuntu/pool/universe/f/fai-kernels/
[01:39] <Hobbsee> mnepton: back already?
[01:39] <mnepton> Hobbsee: from home, aye
[01:40] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[01:40] <mnepton> have you been speaking with my girlfriend again?
[01:41] <Hobbsee> maybe, maybe not
[01:43] <mnepton> i *hate* when she goes sharing her strategies
[01:43] <Hobbsee> heh
[01:44] <Hobbsee> hey jsgotangco
[01:44] <jsgotangco> Hi!
[01:44] <Hobbsee> yes, but you dont type with your mouth.
[01:45] <mnepton> right! of ... course i don't!
[01:47] <Hobbsee> hopefully
[01:47] <Hobbsee> it'd be very slow typing like that
[01:55] <siretart> \sh: it is called 'fai-kernels'
[01:56] <\sh> siretart: yeah...found it :)
[01:56] <\sh> sad enough, that packages.ubuntu.com doesn't know about it :(
[01:57] <\sh> or I was to stoopid to enter the correct binary package name
[01:57] <siretart> \sh: well, you can't install it via apt-get, and it is not in the package listings
[01:58] <siretart> \sh: it is installed as binary file only
[02:18] <xerxas> dholbach,  landell uses Tapioca#
[02:18] <xerxas> is it packaged ?
[02:18] <xerxas> or I'm supposed to make a package for it ?
[02:18] <bhale> i never even heard of it
[02:19] <bhale> oh, telepathy
[02:19] <dholbach> xerxas: telepathy-sharp afaik
[02:19] <dholbach> xerxas: talk to giskard about it, he has more of a clue about it
[02:19] <bhale> dholbach: no, it is higher level wrapper to telepathy-sharp
[02:19] <bhale> tapioca-sharp is a .NET package containing high-level classes on top of TelepathySharp for use in clients. It's used in at least landell.
[02:19] <bhale> and ask giskard :)
[02:22] <xerxas> ok
[02:22] <xerxas> thanks
[02:25] <xerxas> dholbach,  telepathy-sharp isn't packaged
[02:25] <xerxas> rigth ?
[02:25] <xerxas> right ?
[02:25] <dholbach> xerxas: it is, check the telepathy team's bzr
[02:26] <xerxas> it's not yet uploaded in feisty ?
[02:27] <dholbach> it is
[02:27] <dholbach> apt-cache showsrc telepathy-sharp
[02:27] <xerxas> root@panther:/home/xerxas/contrib# cat /etc/issue
[02:27] <xerxas> Ubuntu feisty (development branch) \n \l
[02:27] <xerxas> root@panther:/home/xerxas/contrib# apt-get install telepathy-sharp
[02:27] <xerxas> Lecture des listes de paquets... Fait
[02:27] <xerxas> Construction de l'arbre des dpendances
[02:27] <xerxas> Reading state information... Fait
[02:27] <xerxas> E: Impossible de trouver le paquet telepathy-sharp
[02:28] <xerxas> ahh
[02:28] <xerxas> in src only , ok
[02:28] <xerxas> so I need to build it
[02:28] <xerxas> k
[02:28] <dholbach> no
[02:28] <xerxas> thanks
[02:28] <dholbach> that's the source package name
[02:28] <dholbach> the binary package name is just different
[02:28] <dholbach> no need to build it from source
[02:29] <dholbach> daniel@bert:~$ apt-cache showsrc telepathy-sharp | grep Binary
[02:29] <dholbach> Binary: libtelepathy-cil
[02:29] <dholbach> daniel@bert:~$
[02:29] <xerxas> dholbach,  ok
[02:29] <StevenK> dholbach: Is your other machine called 'ernie' ?
[02:29] <xerxas> thanks
[02:29] <dholbach> StevenK: no :-)
[02:30] <xerxas> so tapioca-sharp should be named libtapioca-cil ?
[02:30] <dholbach> StevenK: i don't remember why my main workstation was always called 'bert'
[02:30] <xerxas> I think there is some rules for packaging mono stuff, isn't it ?
[02:30] <dholbach> xerxas: that's something some of the clever mono team members should be able to say
[02:30] <StevenK> For the longest time, my main workstation was called 'broken'
[02:30] <xerxas> and also there's #ubuntu-mono
[02:30] <dholbach> hehe :-)
[02:44] <bhale> xerxas: http://pkg-mono.alioth.debian.org/cli-policy/
[02:44] <xerxas> bhale,  thanks
[02:45] <bhale> please see evolution-sharp as an example
[02:58] <joejaxx> my email inbox used space increased by 3MB already haha lol
[02:59] <joejaxx> and i subscribed to ubuntu-bugs 6 hours ago lol
[02:59] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 6 in rosetta ""next 10 entries" at bottom of page" [Medium,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6
[03:00] <joejaxx> well bbl cooking time
[03:16] <_MMA_> Hmm... Can anyone tell me why my "Administrative Password" no longer works after moving to Feisty?
[03:37] <_MMA_> Hmm... Looks like its not just me. Seems to be a issue with gksu.
[05:04] <juliux> hi motus;)
[05:04] <juliux> can someone off you explain me why kismet need so much other packages? see http://www.ubuntuusers.de/paste/5416/
[05:04] <juliux> for example why does kismet needs gnome-keyring
[05:33] <soneca> helo! Where i have to go, to help in I10n and I18n on Ubuntu?
[05:38] <sladen> soneca: hello, normally  #ubuntu-CC  is the place to start depending on the language/country you know best.  There are also mailing lists on http://lists.ubuntu.com/
[05:38] <sladen> (eg.  #ubuntu-uk, #ubuntu-nl, ...)
[05:39] <soneca> thanks
[06:08] <gnomefreak> wasnt libswt-java uploaded to edgy-proposed?
[06:10] <LaserJock> libswt-java?
[06:11] <LaserJock> I can't find a source or binary package by that name
[06:22] <nixternal> motus, mount up, i got a new merge for ya (crimsun)
[06:22] <nixternal> bug 73030
[06:22] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 73030 in plucker "[Feisty MoM] Merge plucker_1.8-20ubuntu1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73030
[06:36] <lotusleaf> not sure if this is the kosher place to ask, but kdar in kubuntu edgy wants libdar3c2a which is not available in edgy according to packages.ubuntu.com but for dapper. no answer in #kubuntu, kdar's in universe so thought I'd ask here, thanks. :)
[06:46] <nixternal> motu time again, yet another merge (crimsun) bug 73032
[06:46] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 73032 in xgalaga "[Feisty MoM] Merge xgalaga_2.0.34-41ubuntu1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73032
[06:49] <conall> how does one go about requesting a package sync from sid? wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SyncRequests redirects to the MOTU/WorkInProcesss page which says it's not for requests
[06:49] <lotusleaf> any idea why libdar3c2a is not in Edgy? I saw someone on the forums mention this too, a quote "Kdar is missing libdar3c2a, nor is it in the repositories. This is not a big problem unless all you backups are done in dar...then it's quite serious." @ http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=283364&page=4
[07:14] <somerville32> Hi :)
[07:37] <PriceChild> hi somerville32
[07:38] <somerville32> :]
[07:49] <jenda> any idea where I could find daniel holbach?
[07:49] <jenda> I'd guess he comes in here from time to time?
[07:50] <thom> i think he's on holiday
[07:50] <thom> but yeah, he's usually here
[07:50] <bhale> i spoke with him this morning
[07:52] <ajmitch> hello
[07:54] <zul> hey ajmitch
[08:01] <geser> does anybody know how security updates looks like for universe?
[08:06] <fdoving> geser: what do you mean?
[08:07] <geser> see bug 72921
[08:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 72921 in php4 "Several unfixed CVEs for php4 in Ubuntu Dapper and Edgy" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/72921
[08:07] <geser> I'd like to know how this updated packages should look like in this case
[08:08] <fdoving> geser: like the previous one, with patches to fix security problems. see https://wiki.kubuntu.org/SecurityUpdateProcedures
[08:12] <geser> ok, will try if I can find all the necessary patches
[08:14] <fdoving> not sure if universe is open for new versions to fix security problems.
[08:19] <zul> it is
[08:19] <fdoving> it's open for new upstream versions?
[08:19] <zul> no for security fixes
[08:19] <fdoving> yes, that's the topic.
[08:19] <fdoving> geser can save some time then.
[08:19] <fdoving> using the 4.4.4 debian package.
[08:22] <geser> zul: so it is possible to include a new upstream version which fixes serveral security bugs into edgy-updates / dapper-updates?
[08:24] <zul> geser: no you would patch what we would already have
[08:25] <zul> however new upstream version might be accepted in this case but you would have to talk to the uvf team
[08:25] <zul> er..sru team
[08:26] <fdoving> so.. universe have the same restrictions as main?
[08:27] <zul> yep
[08:28] <somerville32> Martin Pitt said he'd upload
[08:31] <stgraber> Hello, I have done a small software and tried to follow all the packaging guide of Ubuntu, I'm now at the submited to review step and wonder what to do next. Should I poke someone or what should I do ? (Maybe just wait)
[08:32] <Sp4rKy> stgraber: did you add you to universe uploaders ?
[08:33] <Sp4rKy> https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-universe-contributors
[08:33] <Sp4rKy> you have to be added to this list if you want upload to REVU
[08:33] <stgraber> yes
[08:34] <stgraber> My software is already on REVU
[08:34] <PriceChild> stgraber: i think you're officially meant to just wait.... but i poke people... :P
[08:34] <stgraber> ok :)
[08:34] <stgraber> thanks
[09:35] <xopher> How do I issue a follow-up command, in this case gzip, in the manner that it'll wait for the previous command to finish? Im getting empty gz files when issuing | or &&
[09:58] <jenda> xopher: still around?
[09:59] <jenda> xopher: it's command ; another -c ommand ; the --next-command
[10:05] <xopher> jenda, thanks
[10:06] <jenda> np
[10:08] <joejaxx> no one around again :\
[10:08] <ajmitch> joejaxx: correct
[10:09] <joejaxx> hello how are you ajmitch
[10:09] <ajmitch> ok
[10:10] <joejaxx> that is good
[10:11] <xopher> Ok, now I got that working  another Q: How do I get my packages signed with apt-ftparchive? Or do I do it earlier?
[10:11] <joejaxx> uh
[10:11] <joejaxx> xopher: you do not sign them when you package them?
[10:12] <joejaxx> or build them rather?
[10:13] <xopher> You cannot sign them afterwards?
[10:14] <geser> xopher: what exactly do you mean with signed packages?
[10:15] <xopher> geser, well so that once someone adds my key, the packages are authenticated by apt when they try to install them
[10:15] <ajmitch> that's signing of the Release file
[10:19] <xopher> Ok, so I include a clearsigned Release file in /dists/edgy ?
[10:20] <xopher> or does it suffice to have a signature Release.asc there, as Ive seen on some repos=
[10:20] <xopher> s/=/?
[10:21] <geser> it's a detached signature
[10:21] <geser> you have a Release file and a Release.gpg
[10:22] <xopher> Ok, thanks a lot
[10:25] <geser> it's an armored detached signature: gpg --sign -ba  -o Release.gpg Release
[10:31] <xopher> Yeah, you can do it like this too? gpg -a --detach-sign Release ?
[10:31] <xopher> Id kill for a better upload now.. This 384 up isnt that great
[10:34] <geser> xopher: gpg -a --detach-sign Release should also work
[10:35] <Laser_away> sesh, this Nutella stuff is messy :/
[10:37] <xopher> geser, great, I might actually get a decent repository running, what would be the best way to transfer it to the ftp?
[10:37] <PriceChild> as in choccy messy?
[10:37] <PriceChild> Laser_away: ^
[10:38] <Laser_away> yeah
[10:38] <Laser_away> my wife decided to make Nutella filled doughnuts for Thanksgiving
[10:45] <LaserJock> yeah, I just tried one
[10:45] <LaserJock> they're pretty good
[10:46] <LaserJock> turkey's done
[10:47] <shawarma> Hmm... -devel seems a bit slow right now. Can anyone with an Edgy installation check if they have a /dev/root and if so what is its mode?
[10:47] <xopher> How would you suggest to sync my local repository to a ftp?
[10:48] <xopher> no /dev/root here..
[10:48] <shawarma> xopher: And your Edgy installation is a "normal" one? No debootstrap or anything involved?
[10:49] <stgraber> no /dev/root here but that's not a "normal" kernel
[10:49] <stgraber> but I can check easily, wait a second
[10:50] <shawarma> stgraber: please do.
[10:51] <ajmitch> hi LaserJock
[10:51] <xopher> shawarma, pretty normal yeah, upgraded from breezy->dapper->edgy though
[10:51] <shawarma> xopher: Ah, that's no good then.
[10:51] <shawarma> Someone must have a freshly installed Edgy installation available. Anyone?
[10:51] <xopher> ajmitch, how would you sync an ftp with the content from a local folder?
[10:52] <stgraber> shawarma: no /dev/root
[10:52] <geser> shawarma: my Edgy system was installed with one of the beta releases and I've no /dev/root
[10:53] <stgraber> shawarma: on a fresh install
[10:54] <shawarma> stgraber, geser: Ok, thanks guys. Sheesh, that sh*t had me worried for a second.
[10:57] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch
[10:57] <Burgwork> hey ajmitch
[10:57] <ajmitch> hi Burgwork, what's up?
[10:57] <Burgwork> not much
[10:58] <Burgwork> US holiday, so pretty quiet
[10:58] <LaserJock> \o/ for Turkey Day!
[10:58] <ajmitch> americans..
[10:58] <Burgwork> indeed
[10:59] <LaserJock> it's our one day to be thankful for all the world's resources we're consuming :-)
[10:59] <Burgwork> then stop driving
[10:59] <LaserJock> haha
[10:59] <Burgwork> don't eat food not grown with 100miles of your house and wear only american clothes
[11:00] <LaserJock> Burgwork: there is no food grown within 100miles of here :/
[11:00] <Burgwork> you live in the desert
[11:00] <Burgwork> that is completely fracking insane
[11:00] <LaserJock> it really is
[11:01] <LaserJock> I don't know why they bother
[11:01] <ajmitch> certainly not a desert here
[11:01] <Burgwork> sick part is, you live in one of the fastest growing cities in the US
[11:01] <LaserJock> yep
[11:01] <LaserJock> it's insane
[11:01] <LaserJock> I've seen the satellite photos they do every 10 years
[11:02] <LaserJock> and it's crazy to see how big it's growing here
[11:02] <Burgwork> move
[11:02] <LaserJock> I intend to
[11:02] <Burgwork> http://www.100milediet.org/
[11:02] <LaserJock> I'm only here for my PhD
[11:03] <LaserJock> I don't like it here
[11:03] <ajmitch> move to NZ or something
[11:03] <shawarma> Which city are we talking about?
[11:03] <_MMA_> Raleigh! :)
[11:03] <LaserJock> ajmitch: growing up everybody I knew dreamed of retiring to NZ
[11:03] <LaserJock> _MMA_: hah
[11:03] <LaserJock> shawarma: Reno, Nevada, USA
[11:03] <LaserJock> Biggest Little City
[11:04] <ajmitch> LaserJock: that's funny
[11:04] <LaserJock> we have 2 arches in town with that
[11:04] <LaserJock> although supposedly Portland, Oregon says the same thing
[11:04] <shawarma> That's crazy talk.
[11:05] <shawarma> From Reno's wikipedia page: City nickname: "The Biggest Little City in the World"
[11:05] <LaserJock> yep
[11:05] <LaserJock> it's all in neon down by the casinos
[11:06] <LaserJock> but it's a greedy, nasty place to live
[11:06] <LaserJock> even if it is close to a lot of outdoors stuff
[11:07] <_MMA_> LaserJock: I was gonna move to Reno because of the sign work I do but then I found out just how hot it can get. :)
[11:07] <LaserJock> yucky
[11:07] <ajmitch> LaserJock: so where do you plan to move?
[11:12] <LaserJock> ajmitch: wherever I can find a job
[11:12] <ajmitch> whoever will hire an overtrained chemist? :)
[11:12] <LaserJock> you'd think after 9-10 years in college I'd be pretty employable
[11:12] <LaserJock> but it's pretty darn tough
[11:13] <ajmitch> or you get a job working on ubuntu
[11:13] <LaserJock> I'd rather not
[11:13] <LaserJock> but it might come to that
[11:14] <bhale> LaserJock: could be worse
[11:16] <_MMA_> LaserJock: I think you should look around the Triangle. Theres GOT to be SOME kind of job that fits what you do. I would be surprised if not.
[11:17] <LaserJock> _MMA_: yeah, it's definately a hub of research in chemisty
[11:17] <PriceChild> LaserJock: look what i just found on planet: http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=829
[11:17] <hub> I'm not
[11:17] <LaserJock> I'd like to avoid California
[11:17] <LaserJock> but all my family is in the Northwest
[11:19] <LaserJock> PriceChild: interesting ;-)
[11:19] <PriceChild> LaserJock: Might make a post about it on the forums
[11:27] <LaserJock> I've thought about working for a chemisty software company
[11:27] <LaserJock> I haven't found any doing open-source, which would be fun
[11:48] <gnomefreak> whats the name of the gdm theme changer? the one in system>admin>login screen?
[11:50] <LaserJock> gdmsetup I think
[11:51] <gnomefreak> ty ill try it
[11:51] <ryanakca> when you upgrade a package (new upstream version), what do you do, copy debian/ over to the new source, add to change log, edit version in control?
[11:52] <shawarma> ryanakca: You could take a look a uupdate.
[11:52] <ryanakca> uupdate? kk
[11:52] <shawarma> ryanakca: kk?
[11:53] <ryanakca> my way of saying ok :)
[11:53] <shawarma> ryanakca: Oh, I see.
[11:53] <ryanakca> originally a typo, but I just decided to adopt it :)
[11:53] <shawarma> mkay :-)
[11:56] <ryanakca> is the standards version still 3.7.2?
[11:57] <ryanakca> shawarma: worked, thanks :)
[11:57] <shawarma> ryanakca: <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:57] <shawarma> ryanakca: Excellent.
[11:58] <ajmitch> because debian policy is not at 3.7.3
[11:58] <shawarma> ryanakca: Oh my, oh my. It's <IP_ADDRESS> now.
[11:58] <ryanakca> lol
[11:58] <ajmitch> the .1 indicates typographical changes only, not editorial
[11:58] <shawarma> ryanakca: As of Oct 2nd.
[11:58] <ryanakca> ah
[11:59] <shawarma> ryanakca: The standards version means the version of the debian policy you claim your package follows.
[12:00] <shawarma> ryanakca: hence, you can find the standards version at the bottom of this page: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/
[12:06] <ryanakca> shawarma: kk, ty
[12:06] <xopher> Whats the option to so that when I build I get -dbg packages too?


[00:51] <roficimo> Hi, I've run into the problem where after upgrading from 11.10 to 12.04 my boot up freezes at checking battery state. I've tried to follow some of the online fixes, but I haven't had any success.
[00:53] <roficimo> Hi, I haven't had any success with the online fixes for checking battery state freeze when going to 12.04 from 11.10
[07:48] <Phryq> hey
[07:49] <Phryq> is there a way todisable the guest account in 12.10 unity?
[12:54] <jaspreet> hi
[12:54] <jaspreet> I need a help
[12:55] <holstein> jaspreet: ask, and we will see if a volunteer can indeed help you
[12:55] <jaspreet> I got a problem in ubuntu 12.04
[12:55] <jaspreet> Continuing will remount your / filesystem in read/write mode and mount any other filesystem defined in /etc/fstab
[12:56] <holstein> jaspreet: whats that?
[12:56] <holstein> a message?
[12:56] <holstein> when do you see it?
[12:56] <philinux> holstein: maybe he's trying fsck on mounted file system
[12:57] <jaspreet> actually there is a problem with hard disk. When I install ubuntu 12.04 n after boort got a black screen but in recovery mode gave me above message.  Windows 7 is working fine on my computer
[12:58] <holstein> jaspreet: i would try a coulpe things related to the graphics with a live CD
[12:58] <holstein> !nomodeset
[12:58] <jaspreet> ok
[12:58] <holstein> you might need to reinstall, depending on what you have done to try and "fix" your issue
[12:59] <holstein> jaspreet: feel fre and elaborate and one of the volunteers can help
[12:59] <jaspreet> actually before I installed ubuntu 11.10
[13:00] <jaspreet> den one day ubuntu gave a message " ubunable to mount / filesystem"
[13:00] <jaspreet> then after lot of efforts I format my computer and reinstall 12.04
[13:00] <jaspreet>  Once it get started but unable to install any package because i got an error /var/apt/list not in read/write mode. Also got a message of hard disk problem. After reboot I got same problem of unable to mount / filesystem. Then i tried to run it in recovery mode . In that i got a message " Continuing will remount your / filesystem in read/write mode and mount any other filesystem defined in /etc/fstab. Do you wish to conti
[13:01] <jaspreet> after that black screen which shows many errors of errors. Here is the snapshot of that errors: http://www.uploadgeek.com/share-84FE_5154020C.html
[13:01] <holstein> jaspreet: i dont follow.. before you installed ubuntu you got a message from ubuntu?
[13:02] <jaspreet> Firstly I instaled 11.10
[13:02] <holstein> i would test with a live CD.. if the live CD is running fine then you might want to test the hardware
[13:03] <jaspreet> During that I got  message  ubunable to mount / filesystem
[13:03] <holstein> you could have a bad hard drive causing those errors.. or a bad filesystem
[13:03] <holstein> !fsck
[13:03] <jaspreet> live CD is working fine on my computer
[13:04] <holstein> jaspreet: so, if the live CD is fine, you know ubuntu *is* capable of running on the system
[13:04] <holstein> you can aim your troubleshooting in that direction
[13:05] <jaspreet> @ubot93 where should I apply the command? In recovery mode?
[13:06] <holstein> jaspreet: that was from me
[13:06] <holstein> jaspreet: ubot93 is a bot.. i suggested that when you said you were getting a black boot
[13:06] <holstein> but, you are not
[13:06] <holstein> jaspreet: i would test the hard drive, and run fsck
[13:07] <jaspreet> where should i run fsck
[13:07] <holstein> jaspreet: i would ignore nomodeset since its *not* a graphics driver issue
[13:07] <holstein> from above ^^
[13:07] <holstein> The command "sudo touch /forcefsck && sudo shutdown -r now"  will force a reboot and a filesystem check;
[13:08] <jaspreet> ok I need to restart my computer
[13:08] <jaspreet> I will apply these commans then
[13:08] <jaspreet> i will be back
[13:31] <jaspreet> hi
[13:33] <jaspreet> i nee hep I got a problem in ubuntu 12.04. whenever I try to instaal any packages or apply sudo commands got a messsage: Read only filesystem
[13:34] <jaspreet> please help me
[13:34] <jaspreet> #ubuntu
[13:38] <holstein> jaspreet: ?
[13:38] <holstein> jaspreet: so, the last issue is fine then?
[13:39] <jaspreet> no I forgot to tell you Whenever I try any coomand I got a message: Read only filesystem
[13:39] <holstein> jaspreet: http://askubuntu.com/questions/105793/why-has-my-file-system-turned-read-only-after-updates
[13:39] <holstein> i agree.. "failing hard disk"
[13:39] <holstein> jaspreet: i would test my hard drive..i would want that test to take over an hour
[13:40] <jaspreet> how to test that
[13:40] <holstein> jaspreet: sometimes, there are tests in the bios.. i use the ultimate boot cd, or smart tests from an ubuntu live CD
[13:41] <jaspreet> ok
[13:42] <jaspreet> Ok I will come back after that test
[13:43] <jaspreet> please stay there if possible
[13:43] <jaspreet> If my problem is solved I will be back to thank you
[13:43] <jaspreet> :)
[13:44] <holstein> jaspreet: if you have a bad hard drive, there is nothing a volunteer here can do
[13:44] <holstein> jaspreet: you can try #ubuntu if this channel is not active
[13:45] <jaspreet> ok I need to reboot my computer for test
[13:45] <jaspreet> lets see what happen
[13:57] <raub> What would make a 12.04LTS box start to send a ton of dhcprequests to the dhcp server?
[13:57] <raub> Only one machine is doing that
[13:58] <raub> It is sending them at least 3x a minute
[14:04] <geirha> perhaps the dhcp server is out of leases?
[14:05] <raub> How to find out? It too is an ubuntu box
[14:05] <raub> I do not think we ran out of ips though
[14:06] <raub> The range for the dhcp is 100-200, and we have at most 40 machines here
[14:07] <geirha> could still be exhausted. Might be some ips leased that is not in use, but has not expired yet
[14:07] <raub> Good point
[14:08] <raub> The range =  <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS>
[14:09] <raub> Lovely: I did fgrep <IP_ADDRESS> /var/lib/dhcp/dhcpd.leases|wc -l and got 44 back
[14:10] <raub> Shouldn't I have just one lease with that IP, whether is is being used or not?
[14:43] <geirha> Sure it only contains active leases?
[14:43] <geirha> On a side note, grep can count lines too, with the -c flag
[15:07] <raub> geirha: you are right
[15:07] <raub> I did awk '$1 == "lease"' /var/lib/dhcp/dhcpd.leases |sort|uniq|wc -l
[15:08] <raub> and got 210
[15:08] <raub> Well, that dhcp server is dealing ips for 3 different subnets
[15:08] <raub> Would each of them affect the other?
[15:11] <raub> Ok, i refined my search
[15:11] <raub> For the subnet in question, 119
[15:15] <geirha> is the client still pounding?


 Eatin breakfast here now.
[16:36] <philipballew> Would you be around for a ubuntu hour next tuesday?
[16:36] <philipballew> or the week after?
[16:36] <raevol> week after would be better, i'll be getting back from SF next monday and probably will be too wiped out after work on tuesday for it
[16:38] <philipballew> alright. Ill anounce it in the next day or two. Also I have a coupple freebees for you to pick from. I sent you an email