[01:48]  * Denza252 wonders when dogecoin-qt will be packaged
[01:52] <rww> considering that bitcoin-qt got removed from the repositories at upstream's request, probably never
[01:53] <rww> iirc there's a PPA for it
[04:24] <Flutterwhat> is it a good idea or bad idea to run Kubuntu from a USB 2.0 flash drive
[04:24] <Flutterwhat> so far things are slow as molassas
[04:24] <OerHeks> Any OS will run slow, but is it bad? i don't think so.
[04:25] <Flutterwhat> This sony vaio laptop has no internal drive currently, but when i do get one, will i be able to clone what's on the USB flash drive onto the internal and have it be bootable and what not?
[04:27] <OerHeks> With a little work you can, i would do a fresh install and copy data
[04:27] <Flutterwhat> allright. cool.
[04:27] <Flutterwhat> I really enjoy kubuntu. it's becoming my favorite linux distro. and this is coming from a die hard mac user
[04:28] <Flutterwhat> but after being forced to spend five months with outdate PowerPC machines and software, ressurecting this beat up sony vaio i found in a dumpster and installing kubuntu has been a godsend.
[04:29] <Flutterwhat> ~*~*~free hardware and free software~*~*~
[04:29] <OerHeks> :-D
[06:13] <lordievader> Good morning.
[06:14] <mattnpat> Hi.
[06:16] <lordievader> Hey mattnpat, how are you?
[06:16] <mattnpat> Ok.
[06:16] <mattnpat> Ugh.
[06:16] <mattnpat> I'm feeling awkward/
[06:17] <mattnpat> My dad thinks I'm gay, and it's kinda made me feel weird for the netire week.
[06:17] <mattnpat> Y'see I didn't have a moment to clarify, I don't think I will.
[06:19] <lordievader> Family relations are allways difficult.
[06:19] <mattnpat> Yeah.
[06:19] <mattnpat> Well, this is a tech support IRC.
[06:19] <mattnpat> I'll keep it to myself.
[06:22] <lordievader> mattnpat: We got an #kubuntu-offtopic ;)
[06:22] <mattnpat> IUgh.
[06:22] <mattnpat> I'll go there.
[06:23] <mattnpat> I'm always looking for new places to be idle.
[06:27] <Chhai> hello
[06:27] <lordievader> o/
[06:28] <Chhai> can someone please help?
[06:28] <mattnpat> With what?
[06:28] <mattnpat> If I may ask.
[06:29] <lordievader> !ask | Chhai
[06:29] <Chhai> after i installed kubuntu on my chromebook i got this "An error occurred while accessing '10.2 GiB Removable Media', the system responded: An unspecified error has occurred.: Not Authorized: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: Rejected send message, 1 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.4" (uid=0 pid=12481 comm="/usr/lib/udisks/udisks-daemon ") interface="org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Authority" member="CheckAuth
[06:30] <Chhai> I can't install anything
[06:30] <Chhai> can not mount any drive
[06:30] <lordievader> Chhai: Looks like authorization for that action fails.
[06:30] <Chhai> what do i do? I am new this kubuntu thing
[06:31] <lordievader> Chhai: How did you install it?
[06:31] <Chhai> through crouton
[06:32] <lordievader> Chhai: What happens when you mount things through the console?
[06:35] <Chhai> how do i mount through console?
[06:35] <lordievader> Chhai: sudo mount /dev/<device> <some-folder>
[06:37] <Chhai>  ok i don't see no device name just this
[06:38] <Chhai> "10.2 Gb Removable media
[06:41] <lordievader> Could you pastebin the output of 'lsblk'?
[06:41] <lordievader> !paste | Chhai
[06:44] <Chhai> i dont' understand this but please take a look WARNING: GPT (GUID Partition Table) detected on '/dev/mmcblk0'! The util fdisk doesn't support GPT. Use GNU Parted.nnnDisk /dev/mmcblk0: 15.8 GB,<PHONE_NUMBER>8 bytesn256 heads, 63 sectors/track, 1908 cylinders, total 30777344 sectorsnUnits = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytesnSector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytesnI/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytesnDisk ident
[06:46] <lordievader> Chhai: This is why I asked you to use pastebin, this is unreadable. But it will do for now. Does you system have other storage besides the sd-card?
[06:48] <Chhai> no i don't think so.
[06:49] <hateball> if it's a chromebook, doesnt it have some internal flash storage?
[06:49] <lordievader> Chhai: mkdir /mnt/sdcard&&sudo mount /dev/mmcblk0 /mnt/sdcard
[06:51] <Chhai> it does. but it said the same thing. "cannot mount" access denied
[06:53] <Chhai> lordievader http://paste.ubuntu.com/10251358/
[06:54] <lordievader> Chhai: Ah, I am to blaim for that: sudo mkdir /mnt/sdcard && sudo mount /dev/mmcblk0 /mnt/sdcard
[06:56] <Chhai> lordievader http://paste.ubuntu.com/10251410/
[06:56] <lordievader> Chhai: Is there anything in that dir?
[06:56] <lordievader> sudo ls /mnt/sdcard
[07:00] <Chhai> lordievader nothing
[07:01] <lordievader> Chhai: Okay: sudo mount /dev/mmcblk0 /mnt/sdcard
[07:03] <Chhai> lordievader mount: /dev/mmcblk0 already mounted or /mnt/sdcard busyn
[07:04] <lordievader> Chhai: "mount|grep mmcblk0" where is it mounted?
[07:07] <Chhai> lordievader thank you very much for trying to help me out. I think i will try to reinstall and see how it goes.
[07:13] <soee> good morning
[08:57] <VolUTFan> What is a good channel to discuss and get some help with bash scripting in Kubuntu 14.10 Plasma5
[08:58] <valorie> VolUTFan: perhaps #plasma
[08:59] <lordievader> VolUTFan: Is it just about bash scripting, or specifically scripting for plasma5?
[09:01] <VolUTFan> just plain ol bash scripting.  I am writing a sh file for reinstall of packages.  I have had to reinstall kubuntu 14.10 plasma5 like 10 times in a row on my box.  For some reason the Plasma5 desktop stops responding on fresh install and all I am left with is a blank kicker panel and can only use yakuake in order to manually launch apps.
[09:02] <VolUTFan> sooo, instead of me spending manual time reinstalling apps, figured I would bash the thing
[09:02] <VolUTFan> I found #bash but not sure if that is the best option
[09:03] <lordievader> VolUTFan: Then I'd recommend #bash.
[09:03] <VolUTFan> thanks lordie
[09:04] <VolUTFan> anyone else here running plasma5?
[09:04] <valorie> I am
[09:04] <VolUTFan> before I go, I wanted to know if you was experiencing the same thing I am
[09:04] <lordievader> At times.
[09:04] <valorie> I've never experienced what you describe
[09:04] <VolUTFan> how about glitchy and slow gui
[09:04] <lordievader> I've never seen it either.
[09:04] <valorie> although when I still had lightdm installed, it caused problems
[09:05] <VolUTFan> I installed from scratch
[09:05] <valorie> ditched it, and it's golden
[09:05] <VolUTFan> so lightdm was the root of your problems
[09:05] <valorie> for awhile plasma was crashing, but since the last updates, solid
[09:05] <valorie> having lightdm AND sddm was the problem
[09:05] <valorie> those who have stuck with lightdm are doing OK
[09:06] <VolUTFan> is lightdm also in the installation disk for Plasma5?
[09:06] <VolUTFan> or is that if you upgrade from plasma4
[09:06] <valorie> I had the next PPA back in 14.04 I believe
[09:07] <valorie> I know what it was -- I used to have everything in /opt
[09:07] <valorie> once that was fully purged, those problems ended
[09:07] <VolUTFan> well I was noticing the developers put the next ppa in the sources.list.d folder now instead of directly in the sources.list file
[09:07] <lordievader> VolUTFan: It is probably still on the disk. And else, with an internet connection can easily be installed.
[09:08] <valorie> sorry for the confusion
[09:08] <VolUTFan> no problem
[09:08] <VolUTFan> i checked, and fortunally lightdm is not on my box
[09:09] <VolUTFan> thats good
[09:09] <VolUTFan> thanks guys
[09:27] <identix> support in here or in #kubuntu-offtopic ?
[09:27] <Tm_T> identix: here of course
[09:28] <identix> Hi.. long time debian/ubuntu and variant user but am having major problems with kubuntu 14.04.1 on a gateway netbook regarding the touchpad..
[09:28] <identix> never have I had any issues regarding the mouse or touchpad on ANY other systems i've installed it on (including dell netbooks)
[09:29] <identix> I just can't figure out why on earth it's going haywire
[09:30] <identix> i'm not too sure how to be more specific regarding this... it's a if the touchpad isn't calibrated? or configured properly. t doesn't move properly nor left/right clicks work correctly
[09:31] <identix> possibly a mixup with a setting for a wheel that doesn't exist - i'm not sure
[09:31] <identix> does anybody have any ideas on where I can start or what I am not doing properly?
[09:34] <valorie> identix: do you have driver-manager?
[09:34] <valorie> try alt+f2 and type it in
[09:34] <valorie> if you have it, it will pop up
[09:34] <valorie> or even just type driver
[09:37] <identix> ok let me check ..
[09:37] <identix> thanks valorie
[09:37] <valorie> I use my touchpad instead of a mouse, and rely on it to work right
[09:38] <identix> lately i've been running freebsd locally and bsd or solaris on my servers so it's been a couple years since i've used an xwin environment
[09:39] <identix> but last time i ran kubuntu (9.04 I think) i never had issues with my touchpad
[09:39] <valorie> does KDE run on freebsd?
[09:39] <identix> yes but I used xfce
[09:39] <valorie> cool
[09:39] <identix> use*
[09:40] <identix> I am setting up a friend's netbook with linux so I'm trying to get him all setup with an easy-to-use OS
[09:40] <valorie> very kind of you to do that
[09:40] <identix> due to the fact he is a microsoft native
[09:40] <identix> thank you
[09:41] <identix> he has too many security issues
[09:41] <identix> I am tempted to install gentoo, harden the kernel and compile *
[09:41] <identix> but I want him to be able to learn and also not scare him away from open source
[09:42] <valorie> tell him that we are friendly
[09:42] <valorie> here and on the user list both
[09:45] <identix> driver-manager is showing  me nada
[09:45] <identix> most definately.
[09:45] <identix> i am writing scripts to make almost everything seamlessly automated
[09:45] <identix> such as a fw monitor for iptables etc
[09:46] <identix> this is the first i've ran KDE in a LONG time
[09:46] <identix> and this touchpad thing is bothering me a bit
[09:46] <identix> I just don't understand.  it's as if it thinks the pad is a scroll wheel or button
[09:46] <identix> i think
[09:46] <valorie> hmmm
[09:47] <identix> maybe it's late and i'm exhausted but I must finish this task..
[09:47] <valorie> I've not heard anybody else raise the issue
[09:48] <identix> any movement of the touchpad creates the action a right click would do by default
[09:48] <identix> i know it's something simple
[09:48] <identix> i just can't get to the setting/get the setting correct
[09:50] <valorie> I wonder if there is a config file
[09:51] <valorie> it would be in ~/.kde/share/apps or /share/config
[09:51] <valorie> I can't check as I'm now running plasma5 and the configs have moved
[09:53] <identix> i will look... i have no browser at my disposal except lynx
[09:53] <identix> so i will consult it shortly ..
[09:54] <valorie> you'll have dolphin, the file manager
[09:58] <identix> and navigate utilizing the keyboard?
[09:58] <identix> true
[09:58] <identix> something simply isn't right
[09:59] <identix> i'm half tempted to reinstall xwin
[09:59] <valorie> well, one of the first things I always do in a new install is add yakuake
[10:00] <valorie> which pops down a konsole instance with the click of f12
[10:00] <valorie> but I see your point
[10:09] <identix> yeah atm i am merely utilizing irssi in console (ctrl + alt + F2)
[10:09] <identix> more often than not I am using console so xwin is not very common
[10:09] <valorie> I have to have my guis
[10:09] <valorie> but so often the console is quicker and easier
[10:10] <identix> hehe yeah i use my tablet for graphical stuff
[10:10] <identix> yes console is more... well..... robust
[10:10]  * valorie has no tablet, just this laptop
[10:10] <identix> i see
[10:10] <valorie> and a phone, I guess that counts a bit too
[10:10] <identix> gui's are good don't get me wrong
[10:10] <identix> i always have one installed on a personal (non-server) machine
[10:11] <valorie> especially for beginners, or those who don't enjoy the cli
[10:11] <identix> yep
[10:11] <identix> or are learning it
[10:11] <identix> i will jump on some forums via lynx  i suppose
[10:12] <identix> first i may try a couple more things
[10:12] <valorie> for me, I would not enjoy irssi, and I didn't like email in the console either
[10:14] <identix> ah... that's all i use :)
[10:15] <identix> granted    my mailserver runs on an openbsd machine
[10:15] <valorie> I'm looking at the bug reports, and don't see anything likely
[10:15] <identix> but for actual mail I utilize a modified ver of squirrel mail (web mail)
[10:15] <identix> right i may just reinstall xwin
[10:15] <identix> or somehtinng
[10:15] <identix> somewhere somethinng went fubar
[10:16] <identix> irssi FTW
[10:16] <identix> :)
[10:16] <valorie> !touchpad
[10:16] <valorie> well
[10:16] <identix> i'll look there first
[10:16] <valorie> I expected nothing; thank you ubottu
[10:16] <identix> thanks
[10:16] <valorie> ah, I forgot synaptics
[10:17] <valorie> identix: one thing you could try is logging out, and logging into a guest account
[10:18] <valorie> if it works for your guest, then you know some setting got hosed
[10:18] <valorie> but on a new install that is unlikely
[10:21] <identix> indeed
[10:21] <identix> thanks valorie
[10:21] <identix> i will join a client back to freenode and let you know what i learn
[10:21] <identix> take care
[10:22]  * valorie will probably be in bed.....2:30am here
[10:22] <valorie> best of luck
[10:25] <identix> thanks :)
[11:06] <Sick_Rimmit> Good morning folks, has anyone come across an issue of having no printers registered with LibreOffice on Plasma5, even thought the Printers are configured for the rest of the KDE Applications ?
[11:06] <Sick_Rimmit> Just thought I would ask before raising a Bug, maybe I am doing something stupid/
[11:33] <soee> Sick_Rimmit: Writer sees shared printer for me
[11:33] <soee> im on Vivid with Plasma 5
[11:36] <Sick_Rimmit> soee: Hi, hmm do you have Cups installed ?
[11:37] <soee> Sick_Rimmit: yes
[11:37] <Sick_Rimmit> Can you connect to CUPS on local 631 ?
[11:38] <Sick_Rimmit> Weird, I can't
[11:39] <Sick_Rimmit> My browsers FF and Chr both see the shared printers, but the rest of my KDE Apps and LibrO
[11:39] <Sick_Rimmit> do not
[11:40] <Sick_Rimmit> Curious as cups-browsed is running
[11:41] <Sick_Rimmit> Ah well, I'm not gonna dig any further for now I understand print-manager has been ported to KF5, and is awaiting release, so I will do some testing once I have it
[11:42] <soee> :)
[11:42] <soee> Sick_Rimmit: i can connect on 631
[11:42] <soee> CUPS 2.0.2
[11:44] <Sick_Rimmit> soee: Right.. that's weird then. Your running Kubuntu Tech preview Plasma 5, yes ?
[11:44] <soee> Yes the Alpha 2 with latest updates
[11:45] <Sick_Rimmit> Hmm let me just check my sources, I think I might have Riddell PPA still active
[11:47] <Sick_Rimmit> soee: what do you have in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/extra-pppas.list
[11:49] <soee> Sick_Rimmit: i have no such file
[11:50] <Sick_Rimmit> my typo should be extra-ppas.list
[11:50] <Sick_Rimmit> but maybe you have no ppa's setup
[11:50] <soee> Sick_Rimmit: all i have in this dir is: owncloud-client.list  owncloud-client.list.save  vivaldi.list  webupd8team-ubuntu-java-vivid.list  xorg-edgers-ubuntu-ppa-vivid.list  xorg-edgers-ubuntu-ppa-vivid.list.save
[11:51] <Sick_Rimmit> OK, cool  I think I'll comment that ppa out on my box, and run an update see what happens
[11:53] <Sick_Rimmit> thanks soee
[11:54] <soee> Sick_Rimmit: np
[12:13] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[16:17] <djibb> Hi all ;) I have installed a fresh 14.10 kubuntu. On it, I've added kubuntu-ci/unstable-daily ppa in order to have kstars-bleeding. But when i ran kubuntu, it get stucks just after opening the session. Any idea ? Do I have to install another ppa ? (in order to have Qt54
[16:23] <AciD`> hi, is there a way to make kde recognize exfat usb key ? so far I need to manually `mount /dev/sdx2 /mnt/foo/` in order to mount it as it's not listed in the device list
[16:31] <Salesman2k15> hi lads
[16:33] <Salesman2k15> fuckin dead in here too
[16:33] <ADAM_LANZA> is anyone in here from Boston?
[16:34] <Fritigern> Maybe. Why, wanna rob someone? :-)
[16:35] <Riddell> too much negativity people
[16:36] <Fritigern> No no no no no! I am not being negative.   I'll go and do somethig more fun, like take out the trash, or repeatedly hit my hand with a hammer.
[16:40] <Salesman2k15> anyone here use a real operating system
[16:40] <Salesman2k15> like FreeBSD
[16:40] <ADAM_LANZA> I use redhat
[16:42] <Riddell> OerHeks: use !ops if you notice people who need to be kicked
[16:42] <OerHeks> I will, next time, Riddell, i was reading on an other page in between.
[18:55] <lionevi> hi everybody!
[18:57] <scherenhaenden> hello... my computer is sending information....
[18:57] <scherenhaenden> it has stopped just right now as im writting
[18:58] <scherenhaenden> but it was sending information for about 30 mins... like on 1Mbps
[18:59] <BluesKaj> scherenhaenden:  sending information in what mode ? in the terminal or..?
[19:02] <scherenhaenden> BluesKaj: well i dont actually know
[19:02] <scherenhaenden> i was trying to find out... it is not the first time... i just like to know if i have someone sniffing on my stuff
[19:03] <BluesKaj> ok scherenhaenden how do you know it's "sending information"  ...saying you just know doesn't hel;p us
[19:04] <scherenhaenden> BluesKaj: cuz i always have the system monitor open, and it shows me that the computer is sending info, but i dont find anything
[19:06] <BluesKaj> so which process(es) are you monitoring ?
[19:06] <BluesKaj> scherenhaenden: ^
[19:07] <scherenhaenden> well... monitoring... as it.. nothing... i was on panick, i did an netstat... then i opened quasel, to write about this here down... as i wrote... it just stopped :S
[19:08] <BluesKaj> scherenhaenden:  do you have automatic updates/upgrades turned on in the software center?
[19:09] <scherenhaenden> i do that everything by myself, anyhow, i came today back home from berlin, and i did the updates/upgrades... all by myself... it began later... n it happens like once a month
[19:10] <scherenhaenden> but i dont know what to do... n its kind of creppy... cuz ive just went offlike... and back, and it began to send information again
[19:10] <BluesKaj> so do you have iptables and fw setup to block unwanted probes ?
[19:11] <scherenhaenden> no... to be clear... ive just did a netstat...
[19:12] <BluesKaj> "it began to send information again" so what is "it" in th eprocess table that is actively sending info ?
[19:12] <scherenhaenden> BluesKaj: i was a bit on panick looking in internet what to do... but i have the result on excel
[19:13] <scherenhaenden> i didnt see the process table complete at that point... :( maybe i gotta doo it by next time
[19:13] <scherenhaenden> BluesKaj: i dont knowo if io can do anything with this result
[19:14] <BluesKaj> scherenhaenden:  which netsat command are you using to see what's sniffing your connection?
[19:15] <scherenhaenden> :~$ netstat
[19:17] <scherenhaenden> ive just installed fwbuilder
[19:18] <BluesKaj> scherenhaenden:  a better command is netstat -s , it gives a rundown on what's active with identifiers
[19:19] <scherenhaenden> jep... i was on panick... i was trying to do something... ill let it now... cuz it is not sending information anymore... so i cant do anything... but nexttime gonna try to stay calm and try to find out what it could be
[19:20] <scherenhaenden> BluesKaj: im gonna go back to work see ya... thanks for everything!
[21:37] <hewi_> evening all
[21:44] <hewi_> hewi, 3 years+ kubuntu, currently doing drupal/git tutorial, wants to find out about 'good' screen capture video program
[21:44] <hewi_> any ideas?


[01:20] <jkridner> apparently a 2GB USB stick isn't big enough. :(
[01:20] <jkridner> irony: it ran out of disk space copying imx51 files.
[01:21] <jkridner> well, of poetic interest anyway, if not irony.
[01:24] <persia> We usually recommend a minimum of 4G, but I've heard of 2G installs working before.  That's a bit of an unexpected result.
[02:27] <Martyn> You really do need 4G
[02:27] <Martyn> unless you're just using base
[02:28] <persia> Didn't in 9.04, but that might have been a fluke, or a side effect of a less complete port.
[02:29] <persia> (lucid being the first time that all of main compiled)
[02:29] <Martyn> persia : You may be interested in this ... a new piece of hardware arrived yesterday at the office.  I can't reveal the manufacturer, but the form factor will be familiar to you (clamshell PC) .. I was surprised to see what it had when I booted.  1330x768 screen, resistive touch, 128GB flash SSD and a quad core A9 operating at 800Mhz.
[02:30] <Martyn> In any case, it's got lucid loaded on it from the factory .. but something that most certainly is _not_ netbook remix as a front end.
[02:30] <persia> Can you share the screen dimensions, or the DPI?
[02:32] <persia> heh.  OK.  Maybe you can bring it to UDS, if you're lucky.
[02:32] <persia> If it's small enough, I want :)
[02:32] <persia> If it's large, just not enough pixels for me.
[02:33] <Martyn> It's about 12cm in diagonal, widescreen
[02:33] <persia> Indeed, I'm *very* interested.
[02:33] <Martyn> Stacking the SL-3200 on top of it, it's a bit larger, but only by about enough to make the keyboard more comfortable to use
[02:33] <Martyn> I'll ask the boss if it's okay for me to bring the thing to UDS
[02:34] <Martyn> if I remove all the stickers and external identification, I think it might be
[02:34] <persia> Does it have the wonderful keyspacing that the 3200 used, or does it have the annoying "large" keys of e.g. the Netwalker?
[02:34] <Martyn> neither... hard to describe the keyboard
[02:35] <persia> Please do ask if you can bring it.  That sounds nearly ideal for me, assuming other bits are in place.
[02:35] <persia> The Netwalker is lovely, but a bit larger than I like, and the keyboard is just plain annoying.
[02:36] <Martyn> the closest keyboard I can describe is the UMID
[02:36] <persia> (but I don't mind waiting ~6 months for retail, to make sure I have the spare funds)
[02:36] <Martyn> I know this thing must be floating around Akiahabra
[02:36] <persia> UMID is a little better than Netwalker, but still not enough space *between* the keys for my hands.
[02:37] <persia> Yeah, but you'd have to tell me what it was for me to find it there.  I didn't see them on Saturday whilst wondering about.
[02:37] <Martyn> This isn't the device -- but it's DAMNED close in form factor : http://www.dynamism.com/notebooks/umid-mbook-m1.shtml
[02:38] <persia> Right.  That's the same base as the Onkyo I've been resisting buying.
[02:38] <persia> Onkyo jammed in more flash (64) and an improved audio handler, and went for the faster chip.
[02:39] <Martyn> http://www.slashgear.com/globalfoundries-28nm-arm-cortex-a9-promises-speed-frugality-boost-1581731/  (first wafer of a test chip .. there were two and the first wafer failed (thus the business card on top) )
[02:39] <persia> But 1366x768 lets me run 2 terminals and an IRC client, which makes me actually productive, whereas 1024x600 is just a bit too small (or too blocky)
[02:41] <persia> Yeah, I'm intrigued.  I'll bug you about it in a couple weeks.
[02:41] <persia> (but have to rush off for a bit now)
[02:42] <Martyn> See you later Emmett :)
[04:04] <ericm_> ikepanhc, 你们太淡定了
[07:18]  * NCommander waves
[07:42] <NCommander> saeed: you aorund?
[07:42] <NCommander> *around
[07:45] <saeed> NCommander: hey there
[07:46] <siji> GoodMorning All
[07:47] <eggonlea> ericm: ping
[07:47] <ericm> eggonlea, pong
[07:48] <ericm> eggonlea, NCommander mentioned that LCD support on AV-D1 is not stable ?
[07:48] <eggonlea> Have to use webchat because the previous proxy is broken. :(
[07:48] <ericm> eggonlea, no problem
[07:48] <eggonlea> what do you mean by "not stable"?
[07:48] <ericm> NCommander, your turn
[07:48] <eggonlea> NCommander, are you around?
[07:55] <NCommander> eggonlea: yup
[07:55]  * NCommander coughs
[08:05] <hrw> morning
[08:05] <lool> hrw: heya
[08:06] <hrw> first day at new work ;D
[08:07] <Stskeeps> working from home i guess?
[08:14] <hrw> Stskeeps: sure
[08:14] <hrw> Stskeeps: I work from home for over 3 years now
[08:14]  * Stskeeps is only up at about 5 months so far
[08:14] <Stskeeps> am happy i have to travel once in a while to work with real people though
[08:16] <siji> Luck People :(
[08:17] <siji> *Lucky
[08:18] <hrw> and yesterday I changed one thing - now I have one machine with ubuntu @home
[08:18] <hrw> wife's laptop has kubuntu 10.04-rc
[09:53] <ericm_> saeed, btw - I've fixed the hibernation issue and updated the LP bug description, please help check
[10:59]  * ogra ponders to do a mass give-back for universe ftbfs to see if something more survives
[10:59] <ogra> NCommander, what did you want to know about touchscreens ?
[11:01] <hrw> and what kind of touchscreens... usb ones or i2c/spi or uart connected ones
[11:01] <ogra> no idea, he pinged me in another channel asking to pick my brain about them
[11:51] <saeed> ericm: good job
[11:51] <saeed> ericm|ubuntu: can you please send me the fixed kernel deb?
[11:52] <saeed> guys: I'm running totem with mp4 movie, the pulse audio consumes ~60% of the cpu time!!!
[12:19] <ericm|ubuntu> saeed, the link is on the LP bug description
[12:19] <ericm|ubuntu> saeed, that's possibly pulseaudio issue
[12:20] <ndec> ogra: hi. i'd like to mount a ubuntu minimal FS on qemu using NFS mount. have you already tried that with the kernel you provide here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RootfsFromScratch
[12:20] <ogra> ndec, no, NFS might be modular in that kernel, not sure ... might be that lool tried it before though
[12:21] <ndec> ogra: how did you build the kernel? which config? i can add nfs, if I know which source and which config was used
[12:22] <ogra> its the linux package source
[12:22] <ndec> ogra: i am planning to use qemu to build arm packages
[12:22] <ogra> std ubuntu 2.6.32 release kernel
[12:23] <ndec> ogra: with the versatile_defconfig?
[12:23] <ogra> right
[12:24] <ogra> well, merged with the distro config, amitk should be able to tell you what to run to merge the configs
[12:24] <ogra> there is some script iirc
[12:24] <saeed> ericm|ubuntu: the had this issue in the past with speex, and it supposed to be fixed afair
[12:26] <ericm|ubuntu> saeed, I guess that's because pulseaudio is now realtime priority (for less latency) in lucid, and could possibly eat up more CPU and become unresponsive
[12:27]  * ericm|ubuntu 's rhythmbox crashed
[12:28] <asac> ndec: are you experimenting or need something that is more or less 100% reliable? you could also try to use a qemu-arm-static chroot to build packages.
[12:29] <asac> ndec: with that you can then later with some tweaking use a fast cross compiler/bash from host etc.
[12:30] <ndec> asac: i don't have too much to build for now, so fast is not the biggest requirement. i just need something that works ;-) I am on travel away from my board and I want to build ARM packages
[12:31] <saeed> ericm|ubuntu: hibernate works for me, without adding the resume= ofcourse
[12:32] <asac> ndec: yeah. the chroot is really simple though ... just install qemu-kvm-extras-static annd then run build-arm-chroot /path/to/chroot ... then you can just chroot /path/to/chroot and are in a arm chroot
[12:32] <asac> but testing our full qemu is also good ;)
[12:32] <ogra> i think persia included qemu-arm-static support in sbuild and pbuilder
[12:33] <ogra> that should be the easiest to cross build packages
[12:33]  * ogra doesnt know the magic runes for that though ... i think its just sbuild --arch=armel though
[12:34] <ndec> asac: qemu-arm-static is using syscall emulation, right?
[12:34] <ogra> right
[12:35] <ogra> as long as you dont plan to build anything mono related it should work fine for everything
[12:35] <ndec> ogra: i don't know about sbuild --arch=armel
[12:35] <ndec> ogra: I just prepare all my source packages, and using sbuild --arch=armel? is that what you use?
[12:36] <ogra> no, i use native builds :)
[12:36] <ericm|ubuntu> saeed, do you know the current hibernation implementation on dove will work with HIGHMEM (which I doubt)
[12:36] <ogra> i rarely travel without HW in my bag ... ARM boards are so small :)
[12:37] <asac> haha
[12:37] <suihkulokki> random arm board and assorted wires in bag is something that should be a problem at airport security
[12:37] <suihkulokki> ...never been for me thou
[12:37] <ogra> neither for me
[12:37] <ogra> i always have enough ubuntu CDs with me to bribe the guys ;)
[12:38] <ogra> and stickers ... stickers work even better ;)
[12:38] <suihkulokki> maybe I look innocent enough to make the security people not care what the bag x-ray looks like
[12:38] <ndec> ogra: well right now I am away without my arm board ;-(
[12:38] <ogra> ndec, well, an armel chroot should get you going then
[12:39] <ogra> ndec, the reciepe asac gave you above should be fine ... "install qemu-kvm-extras-static annd then run build-arm-chroot /path/to/chroot ... then you can just chroot /path/to/chroot and are in a arm chroot"
[12:40] <ogra> thopugh i'd recommend approx or some other package proxy running locally ....
[12:40] <ogra> saves you bandwith if you can re-use the already downloaded packages
[12:40] <ndec> ok. i will try that.
[12:43] <ogra> hmm, i wonder how well ubuntuone works on my beagle
[12:44] <ogra> oh, it causes a firefox race
[12:44] <ogra> "firefox is already running, please close the running firefox process first"
[12:44] <ogra> blah
[12:45] <ogra> clikcing OK brings up firefox with my ubuntuone account :P
[13:07] <cwillu_at_work> ogra, so, you're aware of rootstock hangs?
[13:07] <cwillu_at_work> I seem to be getting segfaults instead of hangs now
[13:08] <ogra> yes, as i mentioned in bug 532733
[13:08] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 532733 in qemu-kvm (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 2 other projects) "apt/dpkg in qemu-system-arm hangs if a big task is installed (affects: 4) (dups: 1) (heat: 36)" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/532733
[13:08] <ogra> has nothing to do with rootstock but with qemu
[13:09]  * XorA found with gcc 4.5 and glibc 2.10.1 there is at least one TLS bug with qemu that causes a hang
[13:09] <XorA> I grabbed two patches to fix it from master git
[13:09] <ogra> its gcc 4.4 though
[13:10] <XorA> but I dont know if thats the same bug you guys are seeing or not
[13:10] <ogra> and we use eglibc
[13:10] <XorA> ogra: which means your probably using an equiv glibc then
[13:10] <XorA> eglibc basically being glibc-next
[13:10] <cwillu_at_work> oh, didn't see that
[13:11] <XorA> http://repo.or.cz/w/qemu.git?a=search&h=HEAD&st=commit&s=cp15 top two commits on that search
[13:12] <cwillu_at_work> ogra, sorry, hadn't checked my email yet doay
[13:12]  * cwillu_at_work reruns the test
[13:20] <ogra> ha
[13:20] <ogra> finally
[13:20]  * ogra listens to his ubuntuone musicstore music on the beagle
[15:47] <NCommander> ogra: do we support using tslib out of the box and blacklisting evtouch, or is it only evtouch we support?
[15:58] <ogra_cmpc> evtouch doesnt need to be blacklisted
[15:58] <ogra_cmpc> its not installed unless you tell it to
[15:58] <ogra_cmpc> tslib might conflict with usbtouchscreen kernel side though
[15:58] <ogra_cmpc> since all touchscreen support is supposed to be handled by that now
[15:59] <hrw> oh.. I missed talks
[16:01] <NCommander> ogra: it isn't, its being loaded automatically on a touchscreen device
[16:01] <ogra_cmpc> evtouch ?
[16:02] <NCommander> ogra: yeah, at least on ARM
[16:02] <ogra_cmpc> we neverf install it by default
[16:02] <ogra_cmpc> its not even in main to my knowledge
[16:02] <NCommander> ogra: odd. It is on a ubuntu-netbook image out of the box
[16:03] <ogra_cmpc> surely not
[16:03] <ogra_cmpc> apt-cache show xserver-xorg-input-evtouch|grep Filename
[16:03] <ogra_cmpc> Filename: pool/universe/x/xf86-input-evtouch/xserver-xorg-input-evtouch_0.8.8-3build1_i386.deb
[16:03] <ogra_cmpc> unless we build from universe which would very much surprise me
[16:03] <XorA> dpkg -l | grep touch
[16:03] <XorA> ii  libts-0.0-0                            1.0-7build1                                     touch screen library
[16:03] <XorA> ii  tsconf                                 1.0-7build1                                     touch screen library common files
[16:03] <XorA> its not there
[16:04] <ogra_cmpc> XorA, yes, i know :)
[16:04] <ogra_cmpc> but NCommander doesnt
[16:04] <NCommander> ogra: xserver-xorg-input-evdev 1:2.3.2-5ubuntu1
[16:04] <NCommander> ogra: sorry, my brain went tothe wrong place
[16:04] <ogra_cmpc> evdev != evtouch
[16:04] <NCommander> ogra: I'm not caffinated yet; I just got up ;-)
[16:05] <ogra_cmpc> so evdev is loaded for your touchscreen ?
[16:05] <NCommander> ogra: the reason I ask is that the touchscreen on the avenger is causing evdev to segfault, but tslib. I was wondering if there was a way we could blacklist evdev until it can be fixed
[16:05] <NCommander> and when evdev segfaults, it takes the entire X stack with it
[16:05] <ogra_cmpc> well, i guess you have to do that on a kernel/udev level
[16:06] <zumbi> NCommander: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=578053
[16:06] <ubot4> Debian bug 578053 in xserver-xorg-input-tslib "xserver-xorg-input-tslib: consider xorg.conf.d instead of udev rule" [Serious,Fixed]
[16:06] <ogra_cmpc> and make sure that evdev either doesnt consider the device an input device or make sure the kernel exports the right stuff to make evdev actually recognize a touchscreen device
[16:07] <ogra_cmpc> zumbi, that wont prevent evdev
[16:07] <zumbi> ogra_cmpc: i dunno about ubuntu, but debian is moving xorg out of udev
[16:08] <ogra_cmpc> zumbi, i doubt that
[16:08] <zumbi> which seems that it causing the segfault
[16:08] <ogra_cmpc> upstream mives into udev
[16:08] <ogra_cmpc> *moves
[16:08] <ogra_cmpc> it only just started with the recent release
[16:08] <ogra_cmpc> everything should be handled by kernel or udev
[16:09] <zumbi> ogra_cmpc: true, sorry i was misleading
[16:09] <ogra_cmpc> with the option to use xorg.conf.d snippets for overriding buggy settings
[16:10] <ogra_cmpc> the question is if the snippet kicks in before evdev probes or not
[16:10] <zumbi> ogra_cmpc: read Julien Cristau on the bug report
[16:10] <ogra_cmpc> and the actual bug is that the kernel doesnt export the proper constraints for the device so evdev can handle it as touchscreen
[16:13] <ogra_cmpc> zumbi, yes, i see that, still its a kernel bug
[16:13] <ogra_cmpc> using udev rules or xorg.conf.d snippets are both workarounds
[16:18] <zumbi> ogra_cmpc: thanks, let me know if you make any progress (that needs to be incorporated to debian xf86-input-tslib package)
[19:02] <lool> ndec: the config is in the source tree, the git tree, or more easily in the .deb; the /boot/config-foo file has the config
[19:13] <Martyn> ojn : You in?
[19:13] <Martyn> (and are you in Austin at the moment?)
[19:29] <ojn> Martyn: In CA until friday night
[19:30] <Martyn> thanks :)
[19:36] <samuel_Sayag> Hi, can I use bb files without haveing internet connection on my Beagleboard?
[19:42] <persia> ogra_cmpc: mk-sbuild or pbuilder-dist take --arch : pbuilder and sbuild don't.


[00:30] <smoser>  adam_g nice.
[00:31] <adam_g> smoser, hoping that is the source of my problems. the cinder issues i was hitting do not seem to happen if that bug is not affecting (precise)
[00:31] <smoser> hm..
[01:19] <zul> ScottK:  ping
[01:32] <ScottK> zul: pong
[01:32] <zul> ScottK:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/neutron/+bug/1223342
[02:03] <ScottK> zul: I'm unlikely to have time for New before the weekend.
[02:31] <crass> are the mount points in fstab mounted in parallel?
[02:32] <crass> if so, is there a way to specify dependencies?
[06:55] <rostam> Hi what is alternate Ubuntu CD? is this a different than for example Ubuntu server? thx
[07:34] <smb> jamespage, Morning, when you are around, can you help me to figure out whether recent jenkins fails in nova-compute are related to xen and if yes, why?
[08:30] <gartral> hello all, i'm in a conundrum, I have a fairly nice server for what it is, and it's been spending a good deal of time at about 8-13 load.. I can't figure out why, the CPUs aren't bogged... the Ram is hardly swapping meaning the disk isn't thrashing, and even the dual-gigabit net link isn't saturated.. can someone give me some pointers here?
[09:01] <njuergens> gartral, you could use 'ps ax' and look for processes that are permanently in R or D state
[12:00] <rbasak> hallyn_, jdstrand: can you help me with libvirt apparmor and backing store support in Precise? If I create an instance that uses a backing store, then apparmor denies me. I think I@ve tracked it down to this commit, which isn't in Precise (Saucy works fine). What do you think about an SRU? http://libvirt.org/git/?p=libvirt.git;a=commitdiff;h=2aca94bfd3691c492ce4b6e7f1dd73342774fefd
[12:01] <rbasak> Or is there something else I can do instead?
[12:27] <jdstrand> rbasak: I'll let hallyn_ comment on the SRU. that patch should be fine but might have to be adjusted for precise's libvirt
[12:28] <jdstrand> rbasak: that said, I'll mention that is more of a feature than a bug fix
[12:28] <jdstrand> rbasak: at least imo
[12:35] <rbasak> jdstrand: thanks. Yeah I agree that the bug/feature thing is a bit dubious.
[12:37] <rbasak> From virt-aa-helper's view it's clearly a feature. From a holistic view I'm not sure, since libvirt has the functionality which the apparmor support "breaks"
[12:38] <rbasak> The problem for me is that I want backing stores to work for the cloud tooling that we want functional on Precise.
[12:38] <rbasak> smoser: ^^
[12:39] <rbasak> A workaround is to disable apparmor for libvirt altogether, which isn't great.
[12:39] <rbasak> Or perhaps a replacement virt-aa-helper under another name, and reconfigure libvirt to use that.
[12:40] <smoser> rbasak, i'm kind of confused.
[12:40] <smoser> whatdoes openstaack do on presee.
[12:41] <rbasak> smoser: good question. No idea!
[12:41] <smoser> and how is a patch sent upstream by an ubuntu developer in 2010 not in 12.04?
[12:41] <rbasak> Not use backing stores, I guess?
[12:41] <jdstrand> rbasak: disabling apparmor is not a viable workaround. it is critical to our security story for fully virtualized cloud guests
[12:41] <smoser> openstack definitely does use qcow2 , or at least can be configured to do so. i think it is actually even default.
[12:42] <smoser> rbasak, are you sure its not jut that you're calling it raw and it is actually a qcow ?
[12:42] <rbasak> jdstrand: right, agreed. I meant on a per-user basis who wants to use this specific tooling on precise for development or something. I wouldn't want to recommend doing that in production.
[12:42] <jdstrand> it is. I don't think it uses backing stores by default
[12:42] <smoser> https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/837102
[12:43] <smoser> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libvirt/+bug/470636
[12:44] <rbasak> smoser: there is no mention of "backing" in src/security/* in 0.9.8-2ubuntu17.10
[12:44] <jdstrand> oh, actually, I can't say if precise uses qcow2
[12:44]  * rbasak looks at the bug
[12:52] <rbasak> smoser, jdstrand: it does look like the patch made it into Lucid, but I'm not clear on what happened after that. In Lucid, it looks like a lot of the code was reverted/replaced by 9900-CVE-2010-2237-2238-2239.patch.
[12:53] <smoser> rbasak, your libvirt xml
[12:53] <smoser> are you specifying that the disk is qcow ?
[12:53] <smoser> if you're not, AA will (correctly) not allow it.
[12:53]  * rbasak checks
[12:53] <smoser> if you do specify it as qcow, then it will.
[12:55] <rbasak> smoser: I'm specifying qcow
[12:56] <rbasak> smoser: volume: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6092363/; instance: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6092366/
[12:57] <rbasak> smoser: note that I think this works in Saucy
[13:00] <smoser> rbasak, hm.. i'm not really sure. i'm 98% certain that on precise with libvirt and app armor you can use a qcow disk.
[13:00] <smoser> but i dont know what 'volume' is in that respect.
[13:00] <rbasak> smoser: use a qcow disk specifically with a backing store?
[13:01] <smoser> i dont know what "backing store" is.
[13:01] <smoser> but yes, specifically this works:
[13:01] <smoser> qemu-img create -f qcow2 -b original-disk.img my-delta.img
[13:01] <rbasak> That's slightly different to what I'm doing.
[13:01] <smoser> libvirt.... with 'my-delta.img' specified as a disk.
[13:01] <smoser> right.
[13:01] <smoser> you're (i thikn) asking libvirt to do that for you?
[13:01] <rbasak> Right.
[13:01] <smoser> maybe just dont do that and do it yourself.
[13:02] <smoser> which is what openstack does.
[13:02] <smoser> it creates the qemu disk backed by a another
[13:02] <smoser> and then tells libvirt to use that created disk.
[13:03] <rbasak> That would be pretty messy and involve a pretty big refactoring. libvirt provides a tidy API that works on Saucy :-(
[13:04] <rbasak> The metadata about the connections between volumes can be held in the libvirt XML then, too. THat makes deleting volumes easier.
[13:04] <rbasak> I don't like it although I accept that is one solution.
[13:07] <smoser> rbasak, well, sru seems the only other option.
[13:07]  * rbasak is investigating a third idea
[13:07] <smoser> which would seem to me to be low regression likelyhood, as its just (securely) allowing somethign that awasn't allowed before.
[13:09] <rbasak> jdstrand: echo '/var/lib/ubuntu-cloud/libvirt/images/* r,' >> /etc/apparmor.d/abstractions fixes the issue for me, and will work for all my use cases. Would you consider this secure, and is there a way my package could drop this in in a pluggable way?
[13:09] <rbasak> (my package manages that directory)
[13:10] <smoser> rbasak, are you able to add stuff into /etc/apparmor.d/libvirt ?
[13:11] <smoser> ah. or local/usr.sbin.libvirtd
[13:11] <rbasak> smoser: those are generated though. Only TEMPLATE is not.
[13:11] <rbasak> Putting something in local/ might violate policy I think
[13:11] <rbasak> Hence the question
[13:11] <rbasak> I'll also need to ensure that the directory only contains official images, and put the rw instance disk images elsewhere.
[13:12] <rbasak> I'm bundling both in the same place right now, and then instances could read each others' disks (with some kind of qemu exploit), which would be bad.
[13:12] <smoser>  rbasak /etc/apparmor.d/abstractions is a file, no?
[13:13] <smoser> err. is a directory
[13:13] <rbasak> smoser: sorry. I meant /etc/apparmor.d/abstractions/libvirt-qemu.
[13:13] <rbasak> TEMPLATE includes that file.
[13:14] <smoser> i'd just violate policy on the 12.04 backport.
[13:14] <smoser> if in fact that violates policy.
[13:15] <rbasak> I'm not sure it'll work though
[13:15] <smoser> oh. i thought you said it would.
[13:15] <rbasak> usr.sbin.libvirtd is the wrong file.
[13:15] <smoser> really?
[13:15] <smoser> what file is it ?
[13:15] <rbasak> The generated ones in /etc/apparmor.d/libvirt/
[13:16] <rbasak> I think.
[13:16] <rbasak> Those are per-instance (ie. per-qemu-process)
[13:16] <hallyn_> rbasak: well /var/lib/ubuntu-cloud/libvirt/images/* r,' >> /etc/apparmor.d/abstractions/libvirt-qemu will mean that all instances,
[13:16] <hallyn_> if escaped, will be able to read all other isntances' data,
[13:16] <smoser> well, no.
[13:16] <smoser> because he'd only put raw images there.
[13:17] <smoser> so they'd be able to read their backing store or other stuff they could have just downloaded from http://cloud-images.ubuntu..com
[13:17] <rbasak> hallyn_: right now, that's true. However, I can arrange for instances to have their main disk images in a different directory, and for that directory to contain only official Ubuntu cloud images, which are public.
[13:17] <hallyn_> assuming you mean raw vs qcow, what diff does that maek?
[13:17] <hallyn_> ah
[13:17] <rbasak> (since in my case the backing stores only need to be read-only public cloud images)
[13:17] <hallyn_> then that sounds good.
[13:18] <hallyn_> but, does http://libvirt.org/git/?p=libvirt.git;a=commitdiff;h=2aca94bfd3691c492ce4b6e7f1dd73342774fefd also fix the issue for you?
[13:18] <smoser> rbasak, you could put your files in a subdirectory of that if you wanted.
[13:18] <smoser> if you dont wildcard '**' then subdirs are restricted.
[13:18] <rbasak> I'm not sure if that patch fixes it. I've not tried yet - wanted to discuss first.
[13:19] <rbasak> smoser: I'm not sure that libvirt's API supports volume pool subdirectores like that, but I'll check - thanks.
[13:19] <rbasak> hallyn_: in particular I'm now concerned to understand why a security update seems to have reverted most of that patch in Lucid. And it doesn't appear present in Precise, but is in Saucy. So I'm quite confused about that patch now.
[13:40] <smb> zul, If you are around. There seems to be something wrong with the nova-compute jenkins tests, not sure this is related to the xen upload. I am not bright enough to make any sense of the output
[13:40] <zul> smb: yeah i saw that its on the list today
[13:41] <smb> zul, Ok, let me know it it is related.
[13:44] <jdstrand> rbasak: re /var/lib/ubuntu-cloud/libvirt/images/* r> no that is not secure because right now we have vm isolation. anything that was in /var/lib/ubuntu-cloud/libvirt/images/ would be available to all VMs, which would break that isolation
[13:45] <rbasak> jdstrand: right, but I'm suggesting that I limit that directory to published Ubuntu cloud images only, which are the only things I need as backing stores.
[13:46] <rbasak> I might rename the directory to make it clearer I guess. "public" perhaps.
[13:46] <rbasak> Or images/public
[13:47] <jdstrand> rbasak: I don't understand what isn't working. the security update didn't revert this-- the xml just has to has to to specify the type. eg <driver name='qemu' type='qcow2'/>
[13:48] <jdstrand> rbasak: and I wrote a tool that would migrate people automatically
[13:48] <jdstrand> as part of the security update
[13:49] <rbasak> jdstrand: I'm doing that. See http://paste.ubuntu.com/6092366/ for my instance definition.
[13:49] <rbasak> jdstrand: the volume definition is: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6092363/
[13:49] <rbasak> jdstrand: it might be that I'm doing this a little differently from openstack and what direct qemu users might do. I'm doing everything through the libvirt API.
[13:50] <jdstrand> rbasak: what is the apparmor denial?
[13:51] <rbasak> jdstrand: type=1400 audit(1378904893.099:36): apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" parent=1 profile="libvirt-a9ffce69-5593-9a1a-4f8d-60995f9dad8d" name="/var/lib/ubuntu-cloud/libvirt/images/Y29tLnVidW50dS5jbG91ZDpzZXJ2ZXI6MTIuMDQ6YW1kNjQgMjAxMzA5MDk=" pid=18276 comm="kvm" requested_mask="r" denied_mask="r" fsuid=106 ouid=106
[13:53] <rostam> HI is the toolchain version has changed from LTS 12.04 to LTS 12.03 update 3?thx
[13:56] <rbasak> The code that creates the volume is: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6092576/
[14:04] <jdstrand> rbasak: can you paste the output of: qemu-img info /var/lib/ubuntu-cloud/libvirt/images/foo ; qemu-img info /var/lib/ubuntu-cloud/libvirt/images/Y29tLnVidW50dS5jbG91ZDpzZXJ2ZXI6MTIuMDQ6YW1kNjQgMjAxMzA5MDk=
[14:04] <jdstrand> rbasak: I have to go to a meeting
[14:05] <rbasak> jdstrand: will do, and I'll leave you a message here. THanks.
[14:07] <jdstrand> rbasak: actually, I'm back
[14:07] <rbasak> jdstrand: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6092619/
[14:07] <rbasak> That was a quick meeting :)
[14:10] <rbasak> jdstrand: a thought. smoser pointed out that I'm not decompressing the downloaded backing image, and that I should because it hurts performance. That's in my backlog. But everything works transparently. That isn't going to influence the code that looks at the backing volume, is it?
[14:10] <rbasak> (everything apart from this apparmor issue, that is!)
[14:11] <jdstrand> I wouldn't think so, but all that is abstracted away from the apparmor driver
[14:11] <rbasak> OK
[14:11] <rbasak> This issue didn't affect me in more recent releases, btw.
[14:11] <smoser> rbasak, no.
[14:13] <jdstrand> rbasak: oh, which was the first release it worked on?
[14:13] <rbasak> jdstrand: currently unknown :-(
[14:14] <rbasak> There are many moving bits to the code I've written, so it's a bit awkward to test. If you need to know I can reduce everything to a much smaller test ase.
[14:15] <jdstrand> I would like to know. I am trying a reduced test case now
[14:19] <halvors> Hi! I'm trying to setup bind to override the domain "infected.no", I have to add a few local records. But i still need to be able to resolve the actual website. Can i do this in bind?
[14:20]  * rbasak uses the tool we're trying to fix to quickly fire up some test instances
[14:21] <rbasak> halvors: look up bind "views". You can maintain a separate local copy of some particular zone. A warning though: it can lead to considerable confusion to run things that way.
[14:35] <jdstrand> rbasak: ok, precise works with a simple qcow2 with backing store: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6092737/
[14:35] <jdstrand> rbasak: ie, just using qemu-img and not the volume xml
[14:36]  * jdstrand now tries with volume xml
[14:50] <mibofra> hi, I'm a vps running ubuntu. Initially it ran ubuntu 12.10; after I've upgraded it to the 13.04. Anyway the image of the vps by default mount a 2.6 version of linux. I've tried to update it to the latest on raring (3.8) but I get this error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6092777/ . I think that I can't upgrade the kernel for the particular setup of grub on a vps... so are there any other way to upgrade the kernel?
[14:52] <rbasak> jdstrand: I did http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6092801/ by hand. I see: "2013-09-11 14:50:43.236+0000: 11812: warning : virDomainDiskDefForeachPath:13244 : Ignoring open failure on /var/lib/libvirt/images/foo: Permission denied"
[14:53] <rbasak> jdstrand: virt-aa-helper with sudo works. So is the problem that libvirt-aa-helper can't read that file so doesn't find out about the backing volume?
[14:56] <rbasak> mibofra: are you running an official Ubuntu image, or something that's modified by your VPS provider that isn't really Ubuntu? I see no reason why /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/fixrtc should fail except perhaps if something like /sbin/hwclock has been removed on your system.
[14:57] <mibofra> no the executable is under /sbin/ as usual
[14:58] <rbasak> Is your disk full?
[14:58] <mibofra> on line 1010 (of the script) there is this: system ("run-parts --verbose --exit-on-error --arg=$version " . No the disk isn't full
[14:59] <mibofra> I've all the necessary space
[14:59] <rbasak> Are you sure? HOw much space is that?
[15:00] <mibofra> rbasak, Filesystem        1K-blocks    Used Available Use% Mounted on
[15:00] <mibofra> /dev/ploop13128p1  10319140 2094284   7700672  22% /
[15:01] <rbasak> OK I agree that sounds OK
[15:01] <jdstrand> rbasak: aha!
[15:01] <mibofra> Linux spf-virtualserver 2.6.32-042stab079.5 #1 SMP Fri Aug 2 17:16:15 MSK 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux the actual kernel
[15:02] <jdstrand> rbasak: actually, no. that is a harmless error
[15:03] <jdstrand> rbasak: the output from virt-aa-helper should be the same there
[15:03] <rbasak> jdstrand: it's not. When I run without sudo, I don't see the backing file. When I run with sudo, I do.
[15:04] <jdstrand> rbasak: oh, right, cause it can't inspect the qcow2
[15:04] <rbasak> Right
[15:04] <jdstrand> rbasak: but virt-aa-helper runs as root, so that shouldn't be the case
[15:04] <jdstrand> rbasak: s/case/problem/
[15:05] <rbasak> jdstrand: it has its own apparmor profile though, doesn't it?
[15:05] <jdstrand> rbasak: it does, but sudo wouldn't make it suddenly work
[15:06] <rbasak> THis time I used a standard location (/var/lib/libvirt/images/) for the volume image, too.
[15:07] <rbasak> Perhaps it doesn't work in the non-standard location for that reason?
[15:08] <jdstrand> rbasak: are there any apparmor denials?
[15:09] <zul> adam_g: http://people.canonical.com/~chucks/ca/ (a newer webtest is needed for ceilometer)
[15:10] <rbasak> jdstrand: yes. I think that's it. I apologise for not spotting this earlier - I was only pasting the most recent denial without checking timestamps, assuming that was the only one. It looks like there are denials for virt-aa-helper preceding them.
[15:12] <jdstrand> rbasak: can you paste the apparmor denial?
[15:12] <rbasak> jdstrand: eg: Sep 11 13:08:12 ubuntu-cloud2 kernel: [504847.014007] type=1400 audit(1378904892
[15:12] <rbasak> .811:31): apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" parent=18180 profile="/usr/lib/libv
[15:12] <rbasak> irt/virt-aa-helper" name="/var/lib/ubuntu-cloud/libvirt/images/foo" pid=18263 co
[15:12] <rbasak> mm="virt-aa-helper" requested_mask="r" denied_mask="r" fsuid=0 ouid=0
[15:13] <rbasak> But I want to check that it's the correct case.
[15:13] <jdstrand> rbasak: ok, add to /etc/apparmor.d/usr.lib.libvirt.virt-aa-helper:
[15:13] <jdstrand> /var/lib/ubuntu-cloud/libvirt/images/* r,
[15:13] <jdstrand> then do: sudo apparmor_parser -r /etc/apparmor.d/usr.lib.libvirt.virt-aa-helper
[15:14] <jdstrand> and try again
[15:14] <rbasak> Right, will do.
[15:14] <jdstrand> rbasak: that change is totally appropriate
[15:14] <rbasak> (I just want to catch up with my test instance first, since I think I need to destroy that)
[15:14] <jdstrand> you can see we have accesses for libvirt, nova, eucalyptus, etc
[15:14]  * rbasak removes his previous workarounds
[15:15] <jdstrand> rbasak: interestingly, if you used /var/lib/ubuntu-cloud/libvirt/images/foo.qcow2, it also would have worked
[15:15] <jdstrand>   /**.qcow{,2} r,
[15:16] <mibofra> guys where is normally located dumpe2fs ?
[15:17] <rbasak> jdstrand: success! Thank you!
[15:18] <jdstrand> rbasak: so, you should be able to change the virt-aa-helper profile back to the original and generate your filenames to use .qcow2 and it should also work
[15:18] <rbasak> jdstrand: sorry I didn't spot the previous apparmor denial. That would have saved much wasted time. There were some other messages about qemu network bridges starting up in the middle, and I had assumed that the earlier denials were from a previous attempt rather than reading them through more carefully.
[15:18] <jdstrand> ok
[15:18] <jdstrand> no worries
[15:18] <mibofra> guys :D ?
[15:18] <rbasak> jdstrand: yeah. I think I'll do that to save having to modify stuff in precise
[15:18] <rbasak> jdstrand: many thanks for your help. I owe you much beer.
[15:19] <mibofra> ok rbasak there is something mad
[15:19] <mibofra> there isn't dumpe2fs on the system
[15:20] <mibofra> fixrtc use both dumpe2fs and hwclock
[15:21] <rbasak> mibofra: e2fsprogs provides dumpe2fs. Try installing that. It should be installed already because it's marked "essential".
[15:21] <mibofra> thanks
[15:22] <toabctl> hi
[15:22] <toabctl> there's a getenv call in the postinst of python-cinder (see http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/saucy/cinder/saucy/view/head:/debian/cinder-common.postinst#L4)
[15:23] <toabctl> where does this command come from?
[15:24] <rbasak> toabctl: that looks like a bug to me. I think it should be "getent".
[15:24] <rbasak> zul: ^^
[15:25] <mibofra> ok rbasak now the kernel was upgraded successfully... I wonder why the tool wasn't installed in the image yet...
[15:25] <rbasak> mibofra: sounds like a broken image. Where did it come from?
[15:25] <zul> toabctl:  crap please open up a bug in launchpad please
[15:27] <mibofra> rbasak, I think form the provider of the vps
[15:28] <adam_g> zul, +1
[15:28] <rbasak> mibofra: please could you take it up with them? I don't mean to just fob you off - I'm concerned that others will have the same problem.
[15:29] <rbasak> mibofra: they should not be calling their own constructed image "Ubuntu" either.
[15:29] <rbasak> mibofra: exactly because of quality problems like this.
[15:30] <mibofra> omg
[15:30] <mibofra> rbasak, I've rebooted the vps
[15:30] <mibofra> but it rebooted with the same kernel version
[15:30] <mibofra> Linux spf-virtualserver 2.6.32-042stab079.5 #1 SMP Fri Aug 2 17:16:15 MSK 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[15:31] <rbasak> mibofra: sounds like they're booting their own kernel from outside your VM.
[15:32] <utlemming> mibofra: on vps that use their own kernel, we've see issues where apparmor is not compatabile
[15:33] <rbasak> utlemming: also they're not shipping e2fsprogs, which is an essential package that should be installed on all Ubuntu systems, and thus breaks initramfs-tools, which causes kernel updates to fail.
[15:33] <utlemming> yikes...what is the vps?
[15:33] <rbasak> (regardless of whether the kenrel updates work or not)
[15:33] <mibofra> so I've to re-make the image more or less xD
[15:33] <mibofra> upgrading and adding software
[15:34] <mibofra> really nice
[15:40] <utlemming> rbasak: its an openvz setup
[16:26] <crass> anyone know if dm devices can be used for a uswsusp resume device?
[16:45] <zul> sarnold: ping
[16:53] <cekimogloy> Hello. I have an ubuntu 10.04 server with a 300 mb boot partition and it is using 90% of space. how do I get rid of the old kernels in it without messing somethign up?
[16:55] <cekimogloy> currently I have from 2.6.32-21 to 2.6.32-51 in there
[16:59] <cekimogloy> I tried to use dpkg --list | grep kernel-image but it doesn't list anything
[17:03] <sarnold> cekimogloy: | linux-  instead
[17:04] <cekimogloy> thanks
[17:04] <cekimogloy> clear
[17:07] <genii> If you're using drivers which use dkms might want to remove the linux-headers for the old ones as well
[17:11] <crass> cekimogloy: you could try (more) compression on your initrds also
[20:16] <gholms> smoser: You around?
[20:18] <smoser> hey.
[20:18] <smoser> long time.
[20:18] <gholms> Yeah!  Sorry for the long silence; I've been buried in euca2ools 3 work.  :-\
[20:19] <gholms> I'm looking into using simplestreams as a new back end for eustore stuff, but I'm having trouble finding what actually generates the data it uses.
[20:19] <gholms> What generates the data for stuff like cloud-images.u.c?
[20:20] <utlemming> gholms: which data?
[20:20] <gholms> http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/releases/streams/v1/
[20:20] <utlemming> gholms: look at lp:simplestreams
[20:20] <gholms> Yes, I have been looking through that code.
[20:21] <utlemming> gholms: the AWS and download code is public, the Azure has NDA bits
[20:21] <gholms> Is that in the source tree and I'm just missing it or something?
[20:22] <gholms> There's plenty of code that uses extant data, but precious little that actually writes it.
[20:22] <gholms> tools/make-test-data does a little of that, but it looks like it's pretty much generating it all from the ground up.
[20:23] <utlemming> gholms: for some, yes it is
[20:23] <utlemming> gholms: give me a minute to look at the code...
[20:24] <smoser> gholms, make exdata
[20:25] <smoser> it scrapes / combines data from /query into simplestreams format.
[20:25] <smoser> to create the aws and the download data.
[20:25] <smoser> the other content_sources come from elsewhere.
[20:25] <smoser> (liek azure and hp)
[20:28] <gholms> Okay, so the process really does involve that.
[20:28] <gholms> That's useful.
[20:32] <smoser> gholms...
[20:32] <smoser> thats one of those things that you think... well, this wont last long.
[20:32] <smoser> but it lasted long
[20:32] <gholms> Oh?
[20:33] <smoser> oh. not simplestreams. the generation bit
[20:33] <smoser> there that kind of scrapes other data.
[20:38] <gholms> Ideally I just want to be able to have people dump a bunch of images and some metadata for each one into $dir using $layout and have things Just Work, so that seems similar in spirit.
[21:31] <gartral> alright, I'm in a pickle, I have a headless server that was working fine earlier today, now when I try too SSH into it i get "ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host
[21:31] <gartral> "
[21:33] <gartral> this is even happening when I try to bounce the connection off a machine from a friends house, not attached to my network x.x
[21:33] <maxb> Time to power cycle it if you have no remote KVM or console capabilities
[21:34] <gartral> maxb: I can't. the BMC isn't responding either and the power button lock is engaged, I'm locked out
[21:35] <maxb> Time to phone someone up and get them to yank the power cable then
[21:35] <gartral> maxb: short of tracing which of the 10 freaking power cables running through the cabinent I'm stuck
[21:35] <gartral> nah, It's a server in my possesion and crontrol
[21:35] <maxb> This is why it's important to use managed PDUs
[21:35] <gartral> control*
[21:36]  * gholms recommends labeling wires and managed PDUs
[21:36] <gartral> gholms maxb I don't have a few hundred dollars for a managed PDU
[21:37] <gholms> Do you have a few dollars for a roll of masking tape and a marker?  :)
[21:37] <gartral> gholms: do, cat keeps chewing the tape off, not chewing the wire, just the tape
[21:37] <gholms> Ouch.
[21:38] <maxb> Servers and cats should not be mixed :-)
[21:38] <gartral> I think she gets high off the adhesive
[21:38] <gartral> oh she's a good kitty, I can have a comp open doing diagnostics, she looks at it, then walks away
[21:39] <gholms> Sounds like what you need is a mini-rack with doors.
[21:39] <sarnold> gartral: can you hook up a keyboard and blindly login, reboot?
[21:39] <gartral> she made the mistake of sniffing a cpu fan once when she was a kitten, gave her a nice bloody nose, never wanted to put her face too close to a comp after that
[21:39] <sarnold> aww poor kitty
[21:40] <gartral> sarnold: tried that, just beeps when i hit keys
[21:40] <gholms> Heh
[21:41] <gartral> here's the screwed up part, my ZNC server is on this machine, which is connected to freenode, in turn whichi s how I'm talking to all of you, so I know it's not a kernel panic
[21:41] <sarnold> gartral: oh, it beeps on keypresses? that feels like a seriously wedged machine, I'm used to seeing that when the keyboard buffer is stuffed full and nothing is handling keyboard presses..
[21:42] <sarnold> gartral: Whaa?? wow.
[21:42] <sarnold> gartral: does znc give you any command execute abilities?
[21:42] <gartral> sarnold: only for ZNC, not the machine
[21:43] <sarnold> gartral: normally that'd be a good thing.. hehe
[21:43] <gartral> most of the websites and services are running, except for appearent SSH, ipmi, snmp, and webmin
[21:44] <sarnold> ergh. webmin. I wonder if it is someone else's computer now.
[21:44] <gartral> so yea, I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place here
[21:44] <gartral> sarnold: there's no outside connection too webmin, it's completely in network on an out-of-band line
[21:44] <sarnold> disabling sshd, impi, and snmp would probably draw undue attention pretty quickly, but someone might just do that to defend their new machine
[21:45] <sarnold> gartral: ah, good, that's encouraging. :)
[21:45] <gartral> and by out of band, I mean it's only accessably from a single network port, running from an un-bridged connection between my workstation and the server
[21:45] <gartral> (I'm not dumb)
[21:46] <gartral> i guess I'll pull power, see if that helps
[21:55] <gartral> well I don't know what the hell happened, but I can log in now >.<
[21:56] <sarnold> gartral: check the logs, it'll be worth finding out what happened..
[21:56] <sarnold> my guess is OOM killer went nuts. but that's just a guess.
[21:57] <gartral> sarnold: on a server with 8 gigs of ram? <.<
[21:58] <gartral> err.. this is odd, now it's saying I have a read-only FS
[21:58] <gholms> I've had that happen on servers with 32G of RAM when people weren't being careful.  ;)
[21:59] <gartral> i gotta wonder if the HDD is dying
[22:00] <gartral> sudo: unable to open /var/lib/sudo/name/6: Read-only file system; sudo: unable to execute /sbin/reboot: Input/output error
[22:00] <gartral> brb again
[22:01] <sarnold> gartral: yikes, good luck
[23:39] <MoleMan2> I just ran a sudo apt-get upgrade and have just looked back, and have a screen full of various errors, all relating to read-only filesystems
[23:39] <MoleMan2> I know this information is very vague and a bit useless, but any idea where to start troubleshooting aand fixing?
[23:39] <gholms> Your stuff is all backed up, right?
[23:40] <MoleMan2> Linux Ubuntu-Server 3.8.0-26-generic #38~precise2-Ubuntu
[23:40] <MoleMan2> most of my important stuff yeah
[23:40] <MoleMan2> its just a home server so most of it is more or less disposable anyway
[23:41] <MoleMan2> (yes I am aware the first rule of everything is backups, but I currently can't even afford enough storage to keep my actual stuff, never mind full backups
[23:42] <sarnold> MoleMan2: check dmesg, it might specify why the filesystem is read-only...
[23:44] <MoleMan2> sarnold: http://pastebin.com/FeFKrvjb is the last chunk of info, I just had to guess at what is recent/useful though :/
[23:51] <sarnold> MoleMan2: those numbers in square brackets are timestmps since boot, measured in seconds
[23:52] <sarnold> MoleMan2: that paste covers less than a second of time, though it's hard to know exactly how far in the past it is.
[23:53] <MoleMan2> yeah, comparing with syslog, that entire chunk was around Sep 12 00:26:45 which was presumably when everything froze
[23:53] <sarnold> MoleMan2: "medium error" and "media error" look like bad news. it might be a dying drive, might just be a fussy controller / drive / driver that could be 'fixed' by a reboot.
[23:53] <MoleMan2> as the last entry in syslog was Sep 12 00:26:46 Ubuntu-Server kernel: [975496.222453] type=1400 audit(1378942006.370:42): apparmor="STATUS" operation="profile_replace" name="/usr/sbin/tcpdump" pid=24281 comm="apparmor_parser", presumably due to read only
[23:55] <MoleMan2> yeah, I just don't want to reboot if I don't have to as I won't be home for quite a while, so if it just fails to boot I'm stuck for a few weeks and won't be able to do anything :/
[23:55] <MoleMan2> might I be able to just manually remount / change the mount to wr without a reboot, or is a reboot probably the best way to go?
[23:56] <sarnold> MoleMan2: oh man. :/ it'd be best if it could run a fsck before coming back online. I wouldn't force to wr.
[23:56] <MoleMan2> but yeah, I'd picked up on those bits as a read fail, possibly linked to a drive death,
[23:56] <MoleMan2> hmm
[23:57] <sarnold> MoleMan2: .. but with the data, i'd be worried about a fsck removing something you care about, too. not a great situation. :(
[23:58] <gartral> arrgh! >.< I can't figure out why this server is barfing like this! 13.04  0:- 1:* 2:  3:  4:  5:                                                                                ▸904kB/s 53‼ 1h53m 50C 8.18 2x2.4GHz 3.9G39% s1.9G0% 292G67% gareth@kitsunet <IP_ADDRESS> 2013-09-11 19:56:13
[23:59] <gartral> load shouldn't be this high, I have NOTHING running