[01:22] <pygi> ogra: still here and have a lill' time?
[01:30] <rickw> Hey guys, I'm trying to watch an mms stream.  I see comments on the web about having to use xine or mplayer instead of the default installed totem.  Any suggestoins?  What about other sites that claim the streams require the Windows Media Player ActiveX control?
[01:33] <Sergi0> rickw: maybe vlc will run it
[01:36] <rickw> That looks promising.  What about plugins for totem?
[01:38] <Sergi0> rickw: dunno, never tried
[01:38] <LaserJock> I unfortunately usually break down and use Windows Media Player :(
[01:40] <crimsun> vlc will not play the really new ones that use wmv9
[01:41] <rickw> I've seen reference to getting the w32codecs from PLF (Penguin Liberation Front), but they only seem to have things for Breezy now and I'm using Dapper.  Know where I might get PLF for Dapper?
[01:42] <crimsun> the w32codecs for breezy are applicable to dapper, too.
[01:44] <rickw> Will they play mms and real player formats?  What media player can I use them with?
[01:44] <crimsun> mplayer, generally, or kaffeine
[08:13] <fxc065> hi is there a pre installed program for the kid to organize schedule?
[08:13] <fxc065> like school wise
[08:13] <fxc065> i think i ran across that prog but forgot the name
[08:22] <edubuntugirl> *yawn*
[08:53] <cbx33> mornin all
[08:54] <cbx33> edubuntugirl cbx33
[08:54] <edubuntugirl> cbx33 is Pete Savage
[08:54] <cbx33> edubuntugirl literal cbx33
[08:54] <edubuntugirl> cbx33 =is= the edubuntu general dogsbody - no job too small|Pete Savage|the edubuntu general dogsbody - no job too small
[08:55] <cbx33> edubuntugirl, forget cbx33
[08:55] <edubuntugirl> cbx33: You are not authorized to make me forget stuff
[08:55] <cbx33> dang it :p
[08:55] <highvoltage> :)
[08:57] <highvoltage> ogra: ping
[08:59] <cbx33> ogra's not gonna be up yet is he? :p
[08:59] <cbx33> he's a late riser :p
[09:01] <highvoltage> yeah
[09:01] <highvoltage> i'm sure he'll do a pong-back as soon as he's up
[09:01] <cbx33> howz it all going highvoltage
[09:02] <highvoltage> good, i suppose.
[09:02] <cbx33> you suppose?
[09:02] <cbx33> hehehh
[09:03] <highvoltage> yeah. i don't really know. so much has been happening that i really need to take some time to catch up.
[09:03] <highvoltage> i can't think of any reasons why things are bad, so i can only assume things are good.
[09:03] <cbx33> awww.....you do a lot highvoltage and we all appreciate it
[09:03] <highvoltage> for edubuntu? i hardly get to edubuntu currently. tuxlabs is virtually taking all my time at the moment.
[09:04] <highvoltage> not that i'm complaining, or anything :)
[09:05] <highvoltage> whenever things get tough, i just think back of the times i used to work in a computer shop spending all day taking virusses of windows PC's
[09:05] <highvoltage> few things work-related has been worse than that experience :)
[09:05] <cbx33> hehe
[09:06] <cbx33> well, my worst work experience was being a web developer, and getting made redundant 1 month before I got married
[09:09] <cbx33> that was a tough time, I love my job now, but I'm still looking for a better challenge every now and then
[09:15] <highvoltage> ouch
[09:15] <highvoltage> challenge is good, although not always easy
[09:16] <highvoltage> sorry, i'm not making sense. challenge is never easy, that's why it's called a challenge :)
[09:19] <cbx33> hehe
[09:51] <cbx33> Hi Bluekuja
[10:07] <cbx33> Bluekuja: ping - I've modified the school advocacy page with some discussion points, would appreciated your feedback, indent it if youwant to make the reading easier :p
[10:54] <highvoltage> ugh. power failure
[11:03] <juliux> morning edubuntugirl
[11:08] <cbx33> morning juliux
[11:08] <juliux> hi cbx33
[11:08] <cbx33> things good with you?
[11:08] <juliux> yes
[11:09] <juliux> now yes
[11:09] <cbx33> heheh
[11:09] <juliux> i know how to get to the linuxtag in wiesbaden
[11:09] <cbx33> w00t
[11:09] <juliux> i will rent a car
[11:14] <cbx33> it was an 8086
[11:14] <cbx33> WOW
[11:14] <cbx33> I'm impressed
[11:14] <cbx33> how old are you highvoltage?
[11:14] <highvoltage> 24. but i enjoy playing with old hardware :)
[11:14] <highvoltage> and old systems
[11:14] <highvoltage> it's nice to see how it evolved.
[11:14] <cbx33> ah yes, same as me I remember now
[11:15] <cbx33> there's quite a few of us that are 24
[11:15] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: highvoltage.age is 24
[11:15] <edubuntugirl> highvoltage: I already know stuff about what highvoltage.age is
[11:15] <cbx33> edubuntugirl: highvoltage.age ?
[11:15] <edubuntugirl> highvoltage.age is 23
[11:15] <cbx33> heheh
[11:15] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: FINE.
[11:15] <edubuntugirl> ok, be like that.
[11:15] <cbx33> edubuntugirl: cbx33.email
[11:15] <edubuntugirl> cbx33: I'm not following you...
[11:16] <cbx33> edubuntugirl: cbx33.email is <reply><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:16] <edubuntugirl> cbx33: gotcha
[11:16] <cbx33> edubuntugirl: cbx33.email
[11:16] <edubuntugirl><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:16] <cbx33> :D
[11:20] <highvoltage> hi sankarshan
[11:20] <sankarshan> hi highvoltage
[11:21] <juliux> edubuntugirl: ogra.age ?
[11:21] <edubuntugirl> juliux: what?
[11:21] <juliux> edubuntugirl: help
[11:21] <edubuntugirl> juliux: excuse me?
[11:21] <juliux> edubuntugirl: juliux.email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:21] <edubuntugirl> juliux: what?
[11:22] <juliux> edubuntugirl: juliux.email is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:22] <edubuntugirl> juliux: okay
[11:22] <juliux> edubuntugirl, juliux.email
[11:22] <edubuntugirl> juliux.email is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:22] <highvoltage> :)
[11:22] <cbx33> :D
[11:22] <juliux> i think we need a syntax wiki site for edubuntugirl
[11:23] <highvoltage> yep
[11:23] <cbx33> I've always wanted a bot that's linked up to the package search
[11:23] <cbx33> so you could ask for the current version of a pacakge etc
[11:23] <juliux> an bugs
[11:23] <cbx33> yeh
[11:23] <juliux> edubuntugirl, ltsp bug
[11:23] <edubuntugirl> juliux: what?
[11:23] <cbx33> a launchpad bot
[11:24] <cbx33> a command line version of launchpad :p
[11:24] <cbx33> is that available?
[11:24] <highvoltage> heh. that's probably not too unlikely.
[11:24] <juliux> cbx33, https://launchpad.net/products/live-installer/+bug/35709
[11:24] <highvoltage> probably on it's way. who knows
[11:24] <juliux> cbx33, sorry the ubuntu bot is missing
[11:24] <highvoltage> this page explains a bit on edubuntugirl: http://wiki.clug.org.za/wiki/Spinach
[11:24] <juliux> cbx33, the ubuntu bot can bus already
[11:24] <highvoltage> the one on our LUG channel is called Spinach
[11:24] <cbx33> ah right excellent
[11:25] <cbx33> extending it to package search would be awesome....I'll write a spec on it
[11:26] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: botsnack
[11:26] <edubuntugirl> highvoltage: thankyou!
[11:26] <cbx33> juliux: does the ubutntu bot know about status of bugs etc?
[11:26] <juliux> cbx33, i think you
[11:26] <juliux> cbx33, test it in #ubuntu
[11:26] <highvoltage> there's an ubugtu fot that, afaik
[11:26] <cbx33> ah i see
[11:26] <cbx33> juliux: would do if I could actually move channel
[11:27] <cbx33> I'm on cgiirc
[11:27] <juliux> hehe
[11:27] <cbx33> only thing I can use at work
[11:28] <juliux> hm you can buy a gprs flatrate ;)
[11:28] <edubuntugirl> like highvoltage
[11:28] <highvoltage> hey, you're running off gprs too edubuntugirl
[11:29] <juliux> highvoltage, what does a gprs flat cost by you?
[11:29] <highvoltage> i buy 100MB bundles
[11:29] <highvoltage> they cost R75
[11:29] <cbx33> costs way too much for me
[11:29] <cbx33> i can only just support my wife and myself as it is
[11:30] <juliux> in germany you have to pay 40
[11:30] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: exchange 75 ZAR to USD
[11:30] <highvoltage> it's a lot for me too, but at least it gives me irc and e-mail at home :/
[11:30] <edubuntugirl> EXCHANGE: 500 Can't connect to www.xe.com:80 (Bad hostname 'www.xe.com')
[11:30] <highvoltage> oh, right. edubuntugirl just has freenode in the /etc/hosts file of the box she's running on
[11:31] <highvoltage> juliux: how much data does 40 euro buy you?
[11:31] <highvoltage> R75 is about $12
[11:31] <juliux> highvoltage, it is a flat rate!
[11:31] <juliux> highvoltage, free traffic and time
[11:31] <highvoltage> !
[11:31] <ubotu> No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, highvoltage
[11:31] <highvoltage> geez
[11:31] <highvoltage> we don't get bandwidth for that cheep in south africa, no matter how you connect.
[11:32] <juliux> hm i have a 100MB Lan connection to the internet
[11:32] <juliux> because i go over the uni into the internet
[11:33] <juliux> and the ubuntu mirrors we have in the local lan ;)
[11:33] <highvoltage> hmm.. that's probably a 100mbit connection to the uni network, not a 100MB connection to the Internet?
[11:33] <highvoltage> nice
[11:33] <juliux> highvoltage, the uni has a 622MBit connection to the internet ;)
[11:34] <juliux> the slowest connection is the 100Mbit to my room
[11:34] <highvoltage> wow
[11:34] <juliux> i have download the dapper beta cd image in 3 minutes
[11:34] <highvoltage> this is depressing.
[11:35] <juliux> i know
[11:35] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: choose move to germany or not
[11:35] <juliux> but i have only 3GB traffic free for 7days
[11:35] <edubuntugirl> I choose not, highvoltage
[11:35] <highvoltage> :/
[11:35] <highvoltage> in south africa, you pay R400 per month for 3GB traffic
[11:35] <highvoltage> if you use that up, you pay another R400
[11:35] <juliux> puh
[11:36] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: 400/6
[11:36] <edubuntugirl> highvoltage: 66.6666666666667
[11:36] <highvoltage> that's about $66
[11:36] <highvoltage> and then you have to pay another R250 or so for the line rental
[11:36] <juliux> thats very much
[11:37] <highvoltage> yeah, especially considering that the average persons salary here is R2000 per month. out telecom monopoly is really, really evil.
[11:37] <highvoltage> the CEO of Telkom earns about R2000 per minute.
[11:37] <juliux> know i know why mark has so much money ;)
[11:37] <highvoltage> there's even a hate site for our telkom monopoly: http://www.helkom.co.za/
[11:38] <juliux> in germany you only get flat rates
[11:38] <highvoltage> oh, sorry, i lied, this is what the CEO really earns: http://www.helkom.co.za/pages/info.php
[11:39] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: 925000/6
[11:39] <edubuntugirl> highvoltage:<PHONE_NUMBER>66667
[11:39] <highvoltage> still US$154 166 a month, a lot of money.
[11:39] <juliux> yes
[11:40] <juliux> its enough
[11:40] <cbx33> a very lot
[11:41] <cbx33> me get's about 1200 a month
[12:16] <cbx33> highvoltage: you living at home or married or involved with :p
[12:17] <cbx33> my boss has just given me the OK to attend any edubuntu stuff I need to during work hours :D
[12:25] <juliux> cbx33, cool
[12:26] <highvoltage> cbx33: nice
[12:26] <highvoltage> cbx33: my father and i live together (note: i don't live /with/ my parents)
[12:27] <highvoltage> we pay everything 50/50
[12:28] <juliux> yeah my smartcard reader is here ;)
[12:30] <cbx33> highvoltage: ahh cool
[12:30] <cbx33> has Bluekuja trned up yet
[12:31] <juliux> ask edubuntugirl  ;)
[12:32] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: seen Bluekuja
[12:32] <edubuntugirl> Bluekuja was last seen on #edubuntu 36 years, 125 days, 10 hours, 36 minutes and 48 seconds ago, saying: heeh [Thu Jan  1 01:59:59 1970]
[12:32] <cbx33> ahhh still that bug
[12:32] <cbx33> :p
[12:32] <highvoltage> ugh. /me should fix that
[12:32] <cbx33> yes /you should :p
[12:32] <cbx33> hehe
[12:38] <cbx33> is it just your local clock settings?
[12:40] <highvoltage> doesn't seem to be, which is strange
[12:40] <highvoltage> i remember fixing this before though...
[12:40] <cbx33> heheh
[12:41] <cbx33> ogra's late up today :p
[12:41] <cbx33> must of had a late night
[12:41] <ogra> nah
[12:41] <cbx33> hey bud:p
[12:41] <cbx33> good day?
[12:41] <ogra> just busy testing the new live isos
[12:42] <cbx33> ah the beta2?
[12:42] <ogra> yep
[12:42] <cbx33> nice
[12:42] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily-live/20060427.1/
[12:42] <ogra> if you want to test
[12:43] <cbx33> ok np
[12:43] <ogra> (primary intrest is the installer)
[12:43] <cbx33> ok
[12:43] <cbx33> the live installer?
[12:43] <ogra> yep
[12:43] <cbx33> downloading now
[12:44] <ogra> its significantly faster (~15 mins/install)
[12:44] <cbx33> I hate the way there's a 20Mb difference in the website's size and firefoxes size :p
[12:44] <cbx33> oooh
[12:44] <cbx33> I have a VM all setup and ready for your isos
[12:44] <ogra> great
[12:44] <cbx33> am i looking for any problems in particular?
[12:44] <cbx33> :p
[12:45] <ogra> nope
[12:45] <ogra> just make sure the CD boots and works as expected
[12:47] <cbx33> will do boss - did ya see, my boss says I can attend any edubuntu meetings as required
[12:47] <ogra> yeah
[12:47] <ogra> thats very cool :)
[12:48] <juliux> ogra, i will download the image an test it on my two pcs and in vmware
[12:49] <ogra> great, thanks a lot :)
[12:49] <juliux> np
[12:49] <juliux> and in 4 minutes the iso;9
[12:50] <cbx33> ooh
[12:51] <juliux> 2608KB/sek
[12:51] <juliux> down
[12:53] <juliux> cbx33, finished
[12:57] <cbx33> me too
[12:59] <highvoltage> hi ogra
[01:00] <highvoltage> ogra, can these bugs be rejected / solved (or otherwise be considered 'done')?
[01:00] <highvoltage> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/27885
[01:00] <highvoltage> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ltsp-utils/+bug/22134
[01:01] <cbx33> installing
[01:01] <ogra> hmm
[01:01] <ogra> not sure about the gdm one
[01:02] <cbx33> we're not using ltsp-utils are we?
[01:02] <ogra> ltsp-utils is still in main in breezy
[01:02] <cbx33> ah i see
[01:02] <ogra> there was a bug in mdz's ltsp package that made it depend on ltsp-utils
[01:03] <cbx33> can that not be changed? - spose it's too late now and doesn;'t really matter
[01:03] <ogra> i fixed that with an ltsp upload to breezy-updates, but that indeed isnt on the breezy CD
[01:03] <cbx33> does the live cd install create the LTSP root?
[01:03] <ogra> nope
[01:03] <cbx33> right ok
[01:03] <cbx33> just checking
[01:03] <ogra> it does only the workstation install
[01:03] <cbx33> gotcha
[01:04] <cbx33> I'm looking forward to the ltsp administration tools
[01:04] <juliux> ogra, there is a bug in the worldcard where you can choose the timezone
[01:04] <ogra> file it please
[01:04] <cbx33> ogra: is there a spec for those yet?
[01:04] <juliux> ogra, against espresso?
[01:04] <ogra> ubiquity
[01:04] <ogra> espresso doesnt exist anymore
[01:05] <juliux> ah ok
[01:05] <cbx33> juliux: what's the bug?
[01:05] <juliux> cbx33, there was the option to zoom into the worlcard but if i do this i cant see anything on the worldcard only pixels
[01:06] <cbx33> oh....
[01:06] <cbx33> I'll retest that...didn't seem to be a problem on mine
[01:06] <juliux> cbx33, the solution was to klick on the back button and then on the next button
[01:06] <cbx33> yes
[01:07] <juliux> cbx33, i will test it on two other pcs befor it file a bug
[01:07] <cbx33> ogra: might be nice on the progress installer when you click on X for it to ask for confirmation before aborting??
[01:07] <cbx33> just a thought
[01:07] <ogra> juliux, works fine here
[01:07] <juliux> ogra, i will test it again in vmware
[01:08] <juliux> ogra, perhaps it is a bug in vmware ;)
[01:08] <ogra> that was a vmware install ?
[01:08] <cbx33> juliux: I'm testing in VMWare :p
[01:08] <ogra> i386 i guess
[01:08] <juliux> yes
[01:08] <cbx33> ogra: what do you think about the aborting message?
[01:08] <juliux> the first install from a new system i am allways test in vmware
[01:08] <ogra> cbx33, right ... it does that if you click cancel before the progressbar starts
[01:08] <cbx33> juliux: great minds think alike
[01:09] <ogra> so for consistency it should do it in the progressbar mode as well
[01:09] <ogra> file a bug :)
[01:09] <cbx33> i think so
[01:09] <cbx33> will do
[01:09] <juliux> ogra, i will test it in my second vmware installation
[01:10] <cbx33> iling under ubiquity in ubuntu yeh?
[01:11] <ogra> yep
[01:12] <cbx33> another bug
[01:12] <highvoltage> ogra, when would we really be able to solve that bug, when ltsp-utils moves out of main?
[01:13] <ogra> highvoltage, yes, its solved in dapper
[01:13] <cbx33> ogra: looks like the install continues even when I have cancelled the progress bar install
[01:14] <cbx33> install.py I presume
[01:14] <ogra> ouch
[01:14] <cbx33> it still runs
[01:14] <cbx33> I'm filing now
[01:14] <ogra> thanks :)
[01:14] <highvoltage> ogra: i'm going to mark that bug as resolved then, is that ok?
[01:15] <ogra> but make a comment that its solved in dapper, not in breezys iso images
[01:15] <cbx33> ogra: filed
[01:15] <cbx33> two consecutive bug reports :p
[01:16] <cbx33> consequently I can not re run the installer
[01:16] <cbx33> I was cancelling to check out juliux's bug
[01:16] <cbx33> but looks like I'll wait for it to finish :p
[01:16] <cbx33> i could cancel it...but it shoudl be almost over by now :p
[01:17] <ogra> highvoltage, i kept 22134 open as a reminder to do these different example lts.conf files
[01:17] <cbx33> I have a very funny screenshot to show you
[01:18] <cbx33> another bug...me wonders....on the live cd
[01:18] <cbx33> shuld I be able to save to the desktop?
[01:18] <highvoltage> ogra: ok.
[01:18] <cbx33> i can save in the ubuntu dir
[01:19] <cbx33> but not on the desktop....desired or bug?
[01:20] <ogra> i just saved one on the Desktop here
[01:20] <cbx33> hmmm
[01:20] <cbx33> i';ll try it again in a minute
[01:20] <juliux> ogra, no problems with installation in vmware
[01:21] <juliux> ogra, the system boot without any error
[01:21] <ogra> fine
[01:21] <juliux> i will check the bug with the worldcard
[01:21] <ogra> did the pixel bug persist in your second try ?
[01:21] <ogra> ah, that was the first one, k
[01:22] <cbx33> http://librarian.launchpad.net/2383597/Screenshot-1.png
[01:24] <cbx33> I also don;t seem to be able to re run the installer once I've cancelled it.......it starts to load......then produces nothing....
[01:24] <cbx33> I'll reboot the CD and try again
[01:25] <cbx33> ok ogra disregard the one about saving tothe desktop....it saved just doesn;t display icon on desktop...i presume that's desired
[01:25] <cbx33> want me to mark those bugs as assigned to edubuntu team?
[01:25] <ogra> nope
[01:26] <ogra> but mention edubuntu in the reports (or leave a comment about it)
[01:26] <cbx33> ok
[01:26] <cbx33> what about the saving to desktop?
[01:26] <ogra> as i said, WFM
[01:26] <ogra> it shows up fine here
[01:26] <juliux> ogra, its everything fine, no bug in the worlcard
[01:26] <ogra> ok
[01:26] <ogra> might have been a vmware thing
[01:27] <cbx33> i'll try on a proper machine
[01:27] <juliux> yes i think so
[01:28] <cbx33> on subsequent running of the install now, I get the tiny window described in my bug report
[01:28] <cbx33> I'll need to burn a CD
[01:28] <cbx33> hang on
[01:30] <juliux> cbx33, i have the someproblem as you
[01:30] <juliux> cbx33, if i click on the x in the installer i get this little window and the install.py is running
[01:30] <ogra> sounds like a nautilus bug
[01:30] <ogra> ah, i thought the saving
[01:31] <cbx33> juliux: :p oh dear
[01:31] <juliux> so now i will burn the image and then i will test it in my desktop pc
[01:32] <cbx33> except I'm gonna test on a laptop
[01:32] <juliux> on my laptop i have no free diskspace ;)
[01:33] <cbx33> I have a bout 5 broken laptops I use for testing
[01:36] <lucasvo> my laptops are all too slow for the live cd
[01:37] <cbx33> well, the best bit about my job is that teachers tend to drop them a lot
[01:37] <lucasvo> haha
[01:37] <lucasvo> a friend dropped a Powerbook 15"
[01:37] <lucasvo> they had to exchange the whole case
[01:38] <lucasvo> he had to pay 1200.- CHF
[01:38] <cbx33> wow
[01:38] <cbx33> yeh see for us it's not worth repairing
[01:38] <cbx33> we just get a new one
[01:38] <cbx33> yeh see
[01:39] <lucasvo> since then, I always buy 3-years warranty  & servicepack
[01:39] <cbx33> yeh
[01:41] <cbx33> ogra: sorry this is something that just bugs me...on the edubuntu splash screen, are there plans to clean up the edge of the red top girl?
[01:42] <ogra> nope
[01:42] <ogra> the image is rendered on the fly, you'll see that it sometimes happens and sometimes doent happen
[01:42] <cbx33> oh, you mean the gnome one?
[01:43] <cbx33> it is a VMWare bug
[01:43] <cbx33> confirmed
[01:43] <ogra> do you know how gif transparency works  ?
[01:43] <cbx33> a little
[01:43] <ogra> you ahve one color thats the replacement for transparency
[01:43] <cbx33> yes
[01:43] <ogra> during rendering that color is not shown
[01:44] <cbx33> ok, I'm just a perfectionist
[01:44] <cbx33> and I love smooth AA edges :p
[01:45] <ogra> the splash rendering algorithm makes a gif from the transparent png on the fly while the splash is shown
[01:45] <cbx33> ah i see
[01:45] <cbx33> ok, got another problem for you
[01:45] <ogra> so that little white edge shows or doesnt ... triggered by cosmic rays or something
[01:46] <cbx33> at the lowest res, its impossible for me to install from the live installer
[01:46] <cbx33> ogra: I've never seen it smooth :p
[01:46] <ogra> but with the chalkboard theme we'll need a new splash anyway :P
[01:46] <ogra> the lowest res the liveCd should use is 800x600
[01:46] <ogra> (by default)
[01:47] <ogra> that should be enough to see everything
[01:47] <cbx33> right, my laptop defaulted to 640x480
[01:48] <juliux> re
[01:48] <cbx33> apparently I can't change it either
[01:48] <cbx33> thought it has run other linux at res's much higher
[01:49] <cbx33> can I just also mention that the system monitor icon is misleading - isn't it the old screen res icon?
[01:53] <cbx33> is the res icon a bug?
[01:53] <ogra> nope
[01:53] <cbx33> ok - what's your opinion on the system monitor icon
[01:56] <highvoltage> 9/win 15
[02:04] <ogra> cbx33, its the defult icon from gnome
[02:10] <ogra> juliux, you reproduced the install.py hang ?
[02:10] <ogra> (with the little grey window staying on screen)
[02:10] <juliux> ogra, yes
[02:11] <juliux> jup
[02:11] <ogra> have you confirmed cbx33's bug ?
[02:11] <juliux> not yet
[02:11] <ogra> please do so, Kamion needs input
[02:11] <juliux> i will test it on an other pc, so i can be sure that it isnt vmware
[02:12] <ogra> (and mention the version of the cd you are using ;) )
[02:12] <ogra> doesnt matter
[02:12] <ogra> even if it only happens in vmware its a bug
[02:12] <juliux> cbx33, can you give me the bug number
[02:13] <cbx33> yeh sure
[02:13] <cbx33> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/41732/+index
[02:13] <cbx33> ogra: can we actually hibernate a live cd?
[02:13] <ogra> i think so
[02:13] <cbx33> presumably only if there is swap space available
[02:13] <ogra> not sure though... but it shoulnt brak
[02:14] <cbx33> I'll test that too
[02:14] <cbx33> ogra: can I force a higher resoultion on a machine?
[02:14] <ogra> you can run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org
[02:15] <ogra> and try to get a better res.
[02:15] <cbx33> ok
[02:15] <ogra> after that just log out, it should log you in with a new resolution
[02:15] <cbx33> I'm trying it from the boot menu now
[02:15] <cbx33> we shall see
[02:15] <ogra> nah, thats only for the framebuffer
[02:15] <cbx33> after that I'll try hibernating
[02:15] <juliux> cbx33, ogra done
[02:15] <cbx33> ah ok
[02:15] <cbx33> thanks juliux
[02:16] <ogra> juliux, thanks
[02:16] <cbx33> was that on a VM?
[02:16] <juliux> yes
[02:16] <juliux> i will test it now on my normal pc
[02:17] <cbx33> funny that VM screws up the desktop saving
[02:17] <cbx33> did you confirm that juliux
[02:17] <cbx33> thought it's not a bug
[02:17] <juliux> cbx33, desktop saving?
[02:18] <cbx33> save a file ont othe desktop
[02:18] <cbx33> does it appear on the desktop
[02:18] <cbx33> and not just through a terminal ls -la
[02:21] <cbx33> ogra: not sure if it's a bug, I'll ignore for now, just tried doing dpkg reconfigure
[02:21] <juliux> i will try that after bruning the cd
[02:21] <cbx33> chose default for all options
[02:21] <cbx33> and it just ckicked me out and relogged me in at monitor detection
[02:22] <cbx33> that was with an external monitor attached
[02:22] <cbx33> trying with the semi broken screen now
[02:24] <ogra> use your alt key to move the window around ;)
[02:24] <cbx33> heheh
[02:24] <cbx33> i have another laptop with a better graphics chip waiting if this doesn;t work
[02:26] <cbx33> ok testing now
[02:27] <cbx33> can i access the logs from yesterdays meeting yet?
[02:29] <JaneW> cbx33: yes, want me to find the URL for you?
[02:29] <cbx33> yes please
[02:30] <ogra> JaneW, seen that we have the first EC candidate ? :)
[02:31] <JaneW> ogra: oh?
[02:31] <cbx33> oooh who is it
[02:31] <ogra> jsgotango also expressed interest :)
[02:31] <ogra> LaserJock
[02:31] <ogra> see the mailing list
[02:31] <JaneW> cbx33: I don;t think we have an age restriction
[02:31] <ogra> yes, i think you need to be a member for some time first
[02:31] <JaneW> (do we?)
[02:31] <JaneW> oh young as in NEW
[02:31] <cbx33> JaneW: that's the young I menat :p
[02:31] <ogra> JaneW, for EC ?
[02:32] <ogra> JaneW, i'm talking about the two additional council members, not about edubuntu members
[02:33] <JaneW> cbx33: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-meeting-2006-01-26.html
[02:36] <cbx33> confirmed bug on a real machine
[02:38] <cbx33> updated bug report juliux
[02:40] <juliux> cbx33, now i am try it on a non vmware pc
[02:42] <cbx33> ok
[02:45] <juliux> cbx33, i confirme it for a normal pc
[02:45] <cbx33> excellent...phew at least it's not our screwy VM ware machines
[02:47] <juliux> cbx33, i add a bug comment
[02:48] <juliux> cbx33, there is an other bug
[02:48] <cbx33> oh?
[02:48] <juliux> if you kill the install.py form a terminal you get a message that the installation is ready and you should reboot your computer
[02:48] <cbx33> hehe
[02:48] <cbx33> add it to this one
[02:48] <juliux> i will do
[02:48] <cbx33> i would think it's related
[02:49] <cbx33> and indeed will probably be fixed a the same time
[02:49] <ogra> but not critical
[02:49] <ogra> since its your own fault if you kill a backend piece of the program
[02:49] <ogra> but worth mentioning it in the bug
[02:50] <cbx33> :p
[02:50] <cbx33> but I'm fully prepared for it not to work due to acpi issues
[02:51] <cbx33> when it's actually hibernating, is it supposed to show progress?
[02:51] <juliux> ogra, something else to test?
[02:51] <juliux> at the moment?
[02:52] <ogra> nope
[02:52] <ogra> unless you have more arches around :)
[02:52] <cbx33> but not the install
[02:52] <juliux> hm i can aks if i can test i on the ibook from a friend
[02:52] <cbx33> ogra: is hibernation supposed to show progress?
[02:53] <ogra> i didnt ihibernate since months, no idea
[02:53] <cbx33> ok
[02:53] <cbx33> I'm just testing it on the live cd
[03:09] <cbx33> ok ogra got a small problem now
[03:10] <cbx33> I can't get gnome working now on this machine
[03:10] <cbx33> I hibernated and now it seems to be broken
[03:10] <ogra> how that ?
[03:10] <cbx33> gonna reboot again...
[03:10] <cbx33> well the applet bar and status bar have dissapeared
[03:10] <ogra> do you have swap ?
[03:10] <cbx33> yes
[03:10] <cbx33> it came up like it was gonna ask m a question
[03:10] <cbx33> with a box
[03:11] <cbx33> titled questions
[03:11] <cbx33> then that went and now its frozen
[03:11] <ogra> but you see a desktop ?
[03:11] <cbx33> trying again
[03:11] <ogra> (even a broken one)
[03:11] <cbx33> yes
[03:11] <ogra> or is the screen black ?
[03:11] <ogra> ok
[03:11] <cbx33> it takes bloody ages to come up with the desktop
[03:11] <cbx33> and the wallpaper takes even longer
[03:12] <ogra> thats not the laptop with the broken clock, is it ?
[03:13] <cbx33> um.....possibly, but it booted up fine the first time....i think the time is changed...I can retest it with a better clock time...if I could log in
[03:17] <ogra> juliux, did you see that bug ? http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/live-install/Screenshot-Install.png
[03:17] <cbx33> ogra: what's that bug about?
[03:18] <ogra> utf8 breakage
[03:18] <cbx33> ah i see
[03:19] <cbx33> no, this is busted ogra
[03:19] <ogra> the funny thing is that  seem to work fine, but  is broken
[03:19] <cbx33> it's constant trying to read from the CD, not responding.....i can't get it to work at all
[03:19] <ogra> thats very strange, since its restricted to only one char
[03:19] <cbx33> trying to run a top command
[03:20] <juliux> ogra, i dont rember but i can check that
 Mithrandir, id the liveCD supposed to have working hibernate ?
 ogra: no, and it won't for dapper.
 ok
[03:20] <ogra> cbx33, ^^^^
[03:20] <cbx33> ogra: suggest it shuld be removed
[03:20] <cbx33> it severly buggers it up
[03:21] <cbx33> want me to file a bug.....or is it already a bug?
 ogra: it should work if you pass resume=$partition, though.
[03:22] <cbx33> ogra: it breaks even when I've done nothing
[03:22] <ogra> cbx33, probably talk to Mithandrir in -devel :)
[03:22] <cbx33> I can't get in there right now
[03:22] <cbx33> cgiirc not setup for it
[03:22] <ogra> oh ?
[03:22] <ogra> ah
[03:22] <cbx33> I suggest that the option is removed
[03:22] <cbx33> since it caused severe breakage
[03:22] <cbx33> I wasn't trying to do nything clever either
[03:22] <cbx33> just cliked hibernate
[03:23] <cbx33> and turned it back on
[03:24] <ogra> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/23882
[03:27] <cbx33> I'll send a comment
[03:27] <juliux> ogra, there is an other languag bug,  selceted region:
[03:29] <juliux> ogra, and yes i see the bug from your screenshot but in step 6 there is a
[03:31] <ogra> the  is there but there is a little square box
[03:32] <cbx33> ogra: it's put down asa wishlist, but I woudl say this is a severe bug, that the hibernation option should be removed on the live cd?
[03:32] <cbx33> because by using it there is a danger that the live cd won;t be able to boot again
[03:33] <cbx33> which doesn't look good for us
[03:34] <ogra> cbx33, it will be sorted, dont worry
[03:34] <ogra> (mdz is subscribed to the bug, he'll push)
[03:36] <cbx33> ok i'll comment my findings
[03:38] <cbx33> shall i change bug severity
[03:38] <ogra> leave that to the dev
[03:39] <cbx33> ok
[03:43] <cbx33> ok filed comment
[03:44] <cbx33> anything else you need confirming or denying ogra
[03:44] <ogra> not now, no... thanks for the work :)
[03:44] <cbx33> no problem
[03:44] <cbx33> just gimme a shout if you do
[03:44] <ogra> yep, will do :)
[03:50] <cbx33> I'll hopefully be drawing up the testing plans sometime this week, early next...
[03:59] <cbx33> ping Bluekuja
[04:00] <lucasvo> hi edubuntugirl
[04:00] <edubuntugirl> lo, lucasvo!
[04:00] <cbx33> hi lucasvo
[04:00] <lucasvo> hi cbx33
[04:00] <lucasvo> http://wservices.ch/~lucas/kunden/cinepassion/
[04:00] <lucasvo> webdesign is a pita
[04:01] <cbx33> it's blocked here
[04:01] <cbx33> :p
[04:01] <cbx33> I'll have to view it at home
[04:01] <lucasvo> ?
[04:01] <lucasvo> why that?
[04:01] <cbx33> i work in a school
[04:01] <cbx33> it's a personal website...as such is blocked
[04:01] <lucasvo> what do they block?
[04:02] <lucasvo> can you reach zscjunioren.ch?
[04:02] <cbx33> cos they are stupid
[04:02] <lucasvo> cbx33: so how are you able to reach ogra's bzr branches?
[04:02] <cbx33> nope it's blocked
[04:02] <cbx33> I do it at home
[04:02] <lucasvo> lol
[04:03] <lucasvo> it's a page for kids
[04:03] <cbx33> hahahaha
[04:03] <cbx33> I'll request an unblock it's the city council that blocks it
[04:03] <lucasvo> laser sailing team switzerland
[04:03] <lucasvo> ah, ok
[04:04] <lucasvo> cbx33: do you know css?
[04:09] <lucasvo> wb highvoltage
[04:12] <lucasvo> #39765:
[04:12] <lucasvo> bug #39765
[04:12] <lucasvo> don't we have ubugtu?
[04:13] <ogra> nope
[04:13] <ogra> not really necessary for the ~10 bugs we have
[04:16] <ogra> juliux, what about you, dont you want to join the edubuntu bugsquad ?
[04:16] <juliux> ogra, should i?
[04:16] <cbx33> lucasvo: yes I know CSS
[04:16] <highvoltage> lucasvo: thanks
[04:16] <cbx33> juliux: you helped out a lot today you should join
[04:16] <cbx33> we make a good team :p
[04:17] <juliux> ok
[04:17] <cbx33> lucasvo: y?
[04:17] <juliux> ogra, done
[04:17] <ogra> :)
[04:17] <cbx33> w00t :p
[04:17] <juliux> and now i am realy away
[04:18] <cbx33> cya juliux
[04:18] <ogra> lucasvo, if we hit the 100 edubuntu bugs mark, i'll ask for ubugtu in here
[04:18] <cbx33> lets hope it never gets that far
[04:20] <ogra> it will
[04:21] <ogra> lets hope it doesnt happen too early :)
[04:21] <cbx33> well sure
[04:23] <cbx33> ogra: do you have a list of edubuntu specific things that need testing, I'm thinking about the testing plan, if not I can create one
[04:23] <ogra> that'd be nice ...
[04:24] <ogra> testing ltsp would be good
[04:24] <cbx33> indeed
[04:24] <ogra> and a short check if schooltool installed correctly and runs as well
[04:24] <cbx33> that's on my list, I'll talk to you about this a bit later when I have more in the plan
[04:24] <cbx33> indeed
[04:24] <ogra> additionally you could ask the tester to do one edu game and to start gcompris one time
[04:25] <cbx33> ok
[04:25] <ogra> (beyond the ubuntu standard testing (browse on webpage, open ooo and type some chars in a document))
[04:25] <ogra> s/on/one/
[04:25] <cbx33> I was thinking for the testing team would it a good idea to have testers dedicated to testing certain pacakges on certain archs?
[04:26] <cbx33> people who are interested in certain pacakges could then test them extensively
[04:26] <lucasvo> cbx33: do you know if it is possible to make boxes and turn them in css?
[04:26] <ogra> yep
[04:26] <cbx33> lucasvo: in waht way
[04:27] <cbx33> I'll do that, I'll ask for volunteers for the testing team to choose a package they are interested in
[04:27] <ogra> but for the testplans: keep them as common as possible ... people not in the team should be able to test the common stuff
[04:27] <lucasvo> cbx33: I have a picture on the server, but it's blocked
[04:27] <cbx33> oh yes definitely
[04:27] <cbx33> lucasvo: and what do yo uwant to achieve
[04:27] <cbx33> blocked how?
[04:28] <lucasvo> http://wservices.ch/~lucas/kunden/cinepassion/Cinepassion1.gif
[04:28] <cbx33> ogra: that's why i was asking for the list of edubuntu software
[04:28] <ogra> ah
[04:28] <cbx33> lucasvo: The requested URL /[_X_[_\_\KY was not found on this server.
[04:29] <cbx33> i had to bypass the proxy
[04:30] <lucasvo> http://www.ipzap.com/ipzap.cgi/111010A/http/wservices.ch/~lucas/kunden/cinepassion/Cinepassion1.gif
[04:30] <cbx33> ah i see that's the design
[04:30] <lucasvo> yes
[04:30] <cbx33> and you want to turn that into a website
[04:30] <lucasvo> I don't know how I should do it
[04:30] <lucasvo> yes
[04:30] <cbx33> aloow me 2 secs to familiarise myself
[04:30] <lucasvo> http://www.ipzap.com/ipzap.cgi/111010A/http/wservices.ch/~lucas/kunden/cinepassion/
[04:31] <lucasvo> that's what I have done sofar
[04:31] <lucasvo> but I would have to use imagemaps in that case
[04:31] <lucasvo> which is crap
[04:31] <cbx33> no...no necesaryily
[04:31] <cbx33> let me try some thing
[04:33] <lucasvo> I have tcp/ip and networking!
[04:33] <lucasvo> *hate
[04:35] <lucasvo> how am I supposed to set up networking to get ltsp working?
[04:37] <cbx33> lucasvo: http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/04/Cinepassion2.gif
[04:37] <cbx33> can you not chop it up into tables and cells like this
[04:37] <cbx33> lucasvo: what's up with the networking?
[04:38] <lucasvo> the problem is, for e.g. Film & Kontakt are 2 different links
[04:38] <cbx33> hang on
[04:39] <cbx33> hh i see
[04:39] <cbx33> sorry didn;t notice that before
[04:39] <lucasvo> np
[04:39] <lucasvo> thanks
[04:39] <cbx33> right ok
[04:39] <cbx33> here's what you could do
[04:39] <cbx33> forexample take the film kontact cell as descried
[04:39] <cbx33> move the words apart just enough so you could cut it horizontally between the two
[04:40] <lucasvo> yeah, I'll look at it
[04:40] <cbx33> then put one image above and the other below
[04:41] <cbx33> you really wanna speak to my wife :p she's the website designer
[04:42] <lucasvo> how should I set up my servers network cards?
[04:43] <cbx33> lucasvo: for the client or the server?
[04:43] <cbx33> they just need to be on the same network
[04:43] <lucasvo> I have 2 interfaces (one with dhcp and internet access) and one connected to a switch with clients
[04:43] <cbx33> ah, I'm not too sure on that one, never done that
[04:43] <lucasvo> currently I have a livecd in the client to set it up manually
[04:44] <lucasvo> but I didn't manage to ping the machine
[04:44] <lucasvo> how can I set up a routing table so it routes all traffic to <IP_ADDRESS> to eth1 and not to the default gw <IP_ADDRESS> (which is my adsl-router)
[04:45] <cbx33> I'm not sure lucasvo but when you find out...wiki it, unless it's already done
[04:58] <cbx33> right I'm off home
[04:58] <cbx33> see y'all later on
[04:58] <ogra> ciao
[05:08] <jsgotangco> hey guys
[05:10] <ogra> hey jsgotangco
[05:12] <lucasvo> how can I test if my dhcp server is working correctly?
[05:25] <Yagisan> G'day all
[05:26] <lucasvo> hi Yagisan
[05:26] <Ekushey> g' day
[05:28] <Yagisan> I see a few new faces, how are things Ekushey ?
[05:28] <Ekushey> Yagisan: i'm lagging badly :[
[07:12] <LaserJock> morning edubuntu people!
[07:15] <highvoltage> hi LaserJock
[07:16] <edubuntugirl> do i count as edubuntu people too?
[07:17] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: i suppose so
[07:17] <edubuntugirl> highvoltage: *blink*
[07:17] <edubuntugirl> in that case, hi LaserJock!
[07:21] <Bluekuja> hi #edubuntu
[07:21] <Bluekuja> :)
[07:21] <Bluekuja> hi highvoltage
[07:21] <LaserJock> edubuntugirl: you most definately count ;-)
[07:21] <edubuntugirl> LaserJock: huh?
[07:21] <Bluekuja> hi laserjock
[07:21] <highvoltage> hi Bluekuja
[07:22] <Bluekuja> have you seen this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy
[07:22] <Bluekuja> we (me and pete) are working on it
[07:23] <Bluekuja> edubuntugirl: hi
[07:23] <edubuntugirl> hi there, Bluekuja!
[07:23] <Bluekuja> edubuntugirl: how are you?
[07:23] <edubuntugirl> Bluekuja: I already know stuff about what how are
[07:23] <Bluekuja> jon she have to learn how are you
[07:24] <Bluekuja> eheh
[07:24] <Bluekuja> a better one
[07:24] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: how are you is <reply> I'm doing well, and you, %who?
[07:24] <edubuntugirl> highvoltage: I already know stuff about what how are
[07:25] <Bluekuja> xD
[07:25] <highvoltage> hehe
[07:25] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: how are
[07:25] <edubuntugirl> highvoltage: what?
[07:25] <Bluekuja> how it is jon?
[07:25] <highvoltage> not too well, but not too bad either, really.
[07:25] <Bluekuja> hehe
[07:25] <highvoltage> i think i just need to get out a bit and see some real people
[07:26] <Bluekuja> yep^^
[07:26] <magnon> elizabot? :P
[07:26] <Bluekuja> its that page good?
[07:26] <magnon> scary.
[07:28] <highvoltage> magnon: no, no elizabot :)
[07:29] <Bluekuja> highvoltage: read?
[07:29] <highvoltage> Bluekuja: just a minute...
[07:30] <Bluekuja> okie
[07:30] <Bluekuja> ;)
[07:30] <highvoltage> Bluekuja: very nice content
[07:30] <highvoltage> Bluekuja: it could be turned into a pamphlet of some kind too
[07:31] <highvoltage> Bluekuja: although, the language would need a lot of work first, but i don't think that would be a problem ;)
[07:31] <highvoltage> who's blondefriend? someone we know?
[07:32] <Bluekuja> mmm its a pete frend
[07:32] <Bluekuja> i think
[07:32] <Bluekuja> we will open a spedification for that document
[07:33] <Bluekuja> *specification
[07:33] <Bluekuja> im talking with my website school webmaster to have a space in the school website
[07:34] <Bluekuja> to public some advocacy material for teachers
[07:34] <Bluekuja> it would be really nice
[07:35] <Bluekuja> highvoltage: you will be available for the cc meeting on 2 may?
[07:35] <highvoltage> Bluekuja: yep
[07:35] <Bluekuja> okie perfect
[07:36] <Bluekuja> it will be at 23 for us
[07:36] <Bluekuja> same as the last one
[07:48] <Bluekuja> hi cbx33
[07:48] <Bluekuja> :)
[07:48] <cbx33> hey Bluekuja
[07:48] <cbx33> how are you
[07:48] <Bluekuja> really good man
[07:48] <Bluekuja> you?
[07:48] <cbx33> yeh good too
[07:48] <Bluekuja> good :)
[08:08] <cbx33> Bluekuja, I'm getting really bad responce from the IRC server
[08:09] <Bluekuja> its open now
[08:09] <Bluekuja> i was restarting it
[08:09] <Bluekuja> ^^
[08:11] <Bluekuja> cbx33 ,still getting errors?
[08:11] <cbx33> no better now
[08:11] <cbx33> much better
[08:14] <LaserJock> hmm, the next Edubuntu meeting is still planned for 12:00 UTC?
[08:14] <ogra> LaserJock, yes, but we should reschedule after talking to JaneW
[08:15] <cbx33> hi LaserJock
[08:16] <LaserJock> hi cbx33, how's it going?
[08:16] <cbx33> yeh good
[08:23] <cbx33> ping JaneW
[08:52] <highvoltage> cool, edubuntu is mentioned on uncyclopedia: http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu
[08:55] <LaserJock> highvoltage: I love sabdfl's acronym on that page
[08:56] <highvoltage> yeah :)
[08:57] <LaserJock> man, people have waaay too much time on there hands
[09:07] <highvoltage> i think i'll write a page on RicerFS one day when i have too much time.
[09:08] <LaserJock> heh
[09:09] <lucasvo> where are these interviews from ubuntu devs?
[09:09] <LaserJock> anybody know how to rsync the edubuntu beta isos?
[09:09] <LaserJock> lucasvo: http://behindubuntu.org/ ?
[09:09] <lucasvo> LaserJock: exactly
[09:10] <cbx33> ogra, has a script for that
[09:10] <LaserJock> cbx33: yeah, I was trying to go from there but it isn't exactly working
[09:11] <cbx33> i had trouble
[09:11] <cbx33> you have to download the isos to begin with
[09:11] <LaserJock> because the .iso is at release.u.c instead of cdimages.u.c
[09:12] <LaserJock> I just keep getting Unknown module 'edubuntu'
[09:12] <highvoltage> nah, all that i have is: rsync -a --progress rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/edubuntu/daily/current/dapper-install-i386.iso dapper-install-i386.iso dapper-install-i386.iso
[09:13] <LaserJock> hmm, yeah. I was trying to get the Beta at release.u.c
[09:13] <LaserJock> maybe I just just do the daily
[09:20] <LaserJock> hmm, the daily seems to work but the beta doesn't :(
[09:23] <lucasvo> how can I change the status from a package?
[09:27] <highvoltage> lucasvo: launchpad's navigation is terrible! i'm sure it will get better though.
[09:28] <highvoltage> launchpad doesn't work well at all even if you have just the slightest ADD
[09:28] <cbx33> heheh
[09:28] <highvoltage> you get there and after a mintute of clicking, you forgot why you went there.
[09:28] <LaserJock> heh, after a while you just get used to URL navigation
[09:29] <cbx33> well you clever peoploe do :p
[09:30] <LaserJock> I'm not clever, I just have a hard enough time figuring out the UI that I have to learn the URLs instead
[09:34] <LaserJock> Mr. Edubuntu has left us :(
[09:34] <cbx33> indeed
[09:34] <cbx33> off to germany iirc
[09:34] <cbx33> hehe
[09:35] <cbx33> off across germany
[09:40] <LaserJock> yeah for Python
[09:40] <lucasvo> cs-py
[09:41] <LaserJock> I really enjoy Python
[09:41] <lucasvo> yeah, that would be cool
[09:41] <LaserJock> heh, I don't know much. I would probably just get you guys into trouble
[09:42] <lucasvo> LaserJock: I'd like a podcast in itunes
[09:42] <lucasvo> so I can put it on the ipod :)
[09:42] <LaserJock> but I am thinking of writing a spec for edgy to get a Python guide in the Ubuntu docs
[09:42] <cbx33> oooh nice
[09:42] <crimsun> it needs to integrate with diveintopython, then
[09:42] <lucasvo> http://webcast.berkeley.edu/courses/feeds.php
[09:43] <LaserJock> crimsun: exactly
[09:43] <LaserJock> I was thinking of trying to get people to contribute code snippets like the Python Cookbook
[09:44] <lucasvo> cbx33: read this book if you want to learn python: http://www.ibiblio.org/obp/thinkCSpy/
[09:45] <cbx33> thanky LaserJock
[09:46] <LaserJock> my problem has always been, since I'm not a CS person, that I can read the books and learn stuff, but I really never really know what to do with it
[09:46] <cbx33> heheh
[09:46] <LaserJock> that is where the Python Cookbook has really helped me
[09:46] <cbx33> i suppose I'm the same
[09:47] <LaserJock> I can quickly make automated webpages
[09:47] <LaserJock> I would have never have thought to do that
[09:47] <LaserJock> or putting .ps files together into an animation
[09:47] <lucasvo> LaserJock: what do you mean with automated webpages?
[09:47] <cbx33> yeh
[09:47] <cbx33> you've blown us both away here
[09:48] <crimsun> oh yeah? Try http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/
[09:48] <LaserJock> like, I have a python script that makes a webpage out of "ls" so that I just run a script and it updates a webpage with the contents of the directory
[09:48] <crimsun> you'll never think the same about C, C++, and Java again. Really.
[09:49] <cbx33> ah i see
[09:49] <Bluekuja> edubuntugirl: where is highvoltage?
[09:49] <edubuntugirl> Bluekuja: gotcha
[09:49] <Bluekuja> lol
[09:49] <Bluekuja> nic
[09:49] <Bluekuja> e
[09:49] <highvoltage> just about to go to bed
[09:49] <highvoltage> goodnight, #edubuntu!
[09:49] <LaserJock> but you can also take data (I'm a scientist, remember) and create a webpage that shows me my data
[09:49] <Bluekuja> noo
[09:49] <Bluekuja> jon
[09:49] <Bluekuja> just a moment
[09:49] <cbx33> nn jon
[09:49] <cbx33> hehehe
[09:50] <highvoltage> night cbx33
[09:51] <LaserJock> crimsun: do you use a lot of lisp?
[09:54] <crimsun> yeah
[09:54] <LaserJock> I'd personally like to see something like "Scripting for the Average User: Bash and Python for the rest of us" ;-)
[10:26] <LaserJock> is yellow an edubuntu color?
[10:26] <cbx33> you mean mustard
[10:27] <LaserJock> maybe, the livecd bootsplash seems like not exactly the color I would expect
[10:28] <cbx33> well,,,,
[10:28] <cbx33> i know what you mean
[10:28] <cbx33> but that is a bugger to change says ogra
[10:28] <LaserJock> i bet
[10:34] <LaserJock> that theme sure is bright ;-)
[10:35] <cbx33> heheh
[10:36] <LaserJock> hmm, everything in Education is a KDE app
[10:36] <cbx33> yup
[10:36] <cbx33> and yet we use gnome :p
[10:36] <cbx33> edubuntugirl, gnome
[10:36] <edubuntugirl> cbx33: I'm not following you...
[10:36] <cbx33> edubuntugirl, LaserJock
[10:36] <edubuntugirl> LaserJock is Jordan Mantha
[10:38] <LaserJock> hi edubuntugirl
[10:38] <edubuntugirl> hi there, LaserJock!
[10:38] <LaserJock> edubuntugirl: how are you?
[10:38] <edubuntugirl> LaserJock: I already know stuff about what how are
[10:38] <LaserJock> i bet you do
[10:39] <cbx33> heheh
[11:18] <pygi> o HedgeMage
[11:18] <pygi> long time no see
[11:18] <cbx33> bye bye all
[11:19] <HedgeMage> hi there :)
[11:21] <pygi> HedgeMage: how are you?
[11:21] <HedgeMage> not bad... trying to find someone to help me experiment with an undocumented feature on my cell phone
[11:21] <pygi> :-D
[11:22] <pygi> what about the book thingy? :P
[11:22] <HedgeMage> going to do the install instructions and test 'em this weekend (have a newbie at my disposal to make sure it makes sense)
[11:22] <pygi> okie dokie
[11:22] <pygi> The workstation install
[11:23] <HedgeMage> the other two are half-written here on my hard drive... thrying to think of things to flesh 'em out
[11:23] <HedgeMage> yep
[11:23] <HedgeMage> they're insanely short :P
[11:23] <pygi> =P
[11:23] <pygi> make the bigger =P
[11:23] <HedgeMage> hehe
[11:26] <pygi_> HedgeMage: bah :-/
[11:42] <pygi> night all
[11:42] <LaserJock> cya pygi
[11:43] <HedgeMage> night night pygi