[07:37] <Tm_T> Hi, how do I could debug a kernel panic, possibly caused by a scheduler
[07:38] <Tm_T> I have ~daily kernel panics, and I see line of "BUG: Error while scheduling atomic: <binary that was active at that time>" sort
[07:43] <Tm_T> this is 2.6.38-11-generic running on Intel, I suppose this CPU: http://ark.intel.com/products/41498/Intel-Celeron-Processor-900-%281M-Cache-2_20-GHz-800-MHz-FSB%29
[07:53]  * apw yawns, bouncy internet this morning, not good
[07:54] <Tm_T> heh, struggled 2 first hours in the office for constantly disconnecting wlan
[07:54] <Tm_T> s/for/with/
[07:54] <jk-> hey apw
[07:54] <apw> morning
[07:54] <jk-> been keeping the rioters at bay?
[07:55] <apw> jk-, two nights ago they were burning dowm the shops 5 mins from my house, but its sounding quieter now
[07:55] <jk-> jeeeez :/
[07:56] <apw> jk-, first and only time i've packed a bag in case i had to run
[07:56] <apw> and i lived though the constant bombing by the IRA, somehow this is more dangerous, more random
[07:59] <apw> but i heard nothing last night so perhaps we are past the worst
[08:01] <jk-> i hope so...
[08:13] <apw> we have had a pile of police on the streets, thats going to cost a few bob sadly
[08:13] <apw> "peaceful night across the country" is todays message ... phew
[08:16] <apw> "those who think they have got away with looting will be supprised today when the doors start to go in" like the sound of that
[13:11] <hggdh> sconklin: bug 824520 during QA for 2.6.38-11.48, generic-pae. Did not reoccur, so I am not marking as failure. Nevertheless you folks should have a look
[13:11] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 824520 in linux "WARNING: at /build/buildd/linux-2.6.38/arch/x86/kernel/apic/ipi.c :109 default_send_IPI_mask_logical+0xb1/0xf0()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/824520
[13:52] <sconklin> hggdh: all testing results like this need to be posted to the tracking bug, so they aren't lost on IRC. I've copied this one to the bug. I'll have a look and see whether we should pass it or not
[13:54] <hggdh> sconklin: I was giving yuou advance warning. When I finish a test sequence, I write in anything interesting, including bugs. No need to tell me this should go into the tracking bug
[13:54] <sconklin> hggdh: ok, thanks, sorry to jump on that
[13:55] <sconklin> maybe I can have an answer before you are done
[13:55] <hggdh> this is my hope. I cannot tie it to the kernel so far
[13:59] <siji> Hi All,
[13:59] <siji> First want to report some bugs in ubuntu-natty kernel (for ARM)
[14:00] <siji> the default driver module for Touchscreen ads786 is not the right one
[14:01] <siji> And now am trying to build this module , but not succeeded
[14:02] <siji> Steps followed : Downloaded the kernel source from rep. by apt-get install linux-source
[14:02] <sconklin> hggdh: Any idea which test was running when this occurred? Maybe it's in the logs and I don't know where to look
[14:03] <siji>  make modules SUBDIRS=drivers/input/touchscreen/
[14:03] <khanx> hey everybody
[14:04] <khanx> im new to this... which languages do i need to know to customize my kernel ?
[14:04] <siji> English & C :)
[14:05] <khanx> so far so good. :P
[14:05] <siji> :)
[14:06] <khanx> im not so familiar with ubuntu though. like i said im new to linux, but im not bad with C and java
[14:07] <siji> Then i suggest you to familiar with linux/ubuntu first then get into Linux Kernel
[14:08] <khanx> and whats your advice on how to become familiar with ubuntu fast?
[14:08] <khanx> i feel like its gonna take ages
[14:09] <khanx> any e-book or online texts recommended ?
[14:09] <siji> not at all
[14:09] <siji> Download ubuntu ISO isntall it and play with it
[14:09] <hggdh> sconklin: at this point in time it was the LPT lite
[14:10] <hggdh> it really does not help that a lot of programs get to print warning/error messages without identification :-(
[14:11] <siji> khanx, get familiar with basic unix/linux commands
[14:12] <siji> this will make your " Playing with Linux" more easier
[14:14] <siji> any help pls
[14:15] <siji> Or any one can provide me ads786.ko (touchscreen module)  for <IP_ADDRESS>-omap
[14:16] <apw> siji, if you have ARM specific questions you may get quicker answers on #ubuntu-arm, the peeps who mostly have the h/w hang out there
[14:16] <siji> apw, :)
[14:16] <ogra_> apw, lol
[14:17] <ogra_> apw, i have no clue how to only build modules in subdirs of the kernel tree
[14:17] <siji> he he
[14:17] <ogra_> never had to
[14:17] <ohsix> make M= isn't it?
[14:17] <ohsix> or make module.ko
[14:17] <siji> ohsix, means
[14:17] <ohsix> there's "make help" too
[14:17] <ogra_> so i'm surely a bad candidate to support that :)
[14:18] <siji> ok
[14:19] <siji> (ohsix, looking into make help )
[14:19] <apw> building only in a subdir, hmmm, that is in the docs somewhere something like fakeroot debian/rules prepare-<flavour>; make O=debian/build/build-<flavour> <directory name>
[14:19] <apw> or <directory>/<module>.ko at the end
[14:19] <apw> not that i ever do it, i normally just build the lot
[14:19] <siji> apw, ya it worked for me
[14:20] <siji> but it hasnt built whole kernel modules
[14:20] <siji> I have defined he directory name
[14:21] <siji> ./touchscreen which is having more than 10 driver modules, but it built only three
[14:21] <siji> And unfortunately my module was not there in those three ;(
[14:22] <apw> well it will only build the ones which are turned on in your config too
[14:22] <siji> Am not a expert in kernel , so i feel something wrong in the .conf or some where else
[14:22] <siji> apw, understood
[14:22] <siji> I hve tried many times by configuring it
[14:22] <apw> if you want foo.ko built there will be something like obj-$(CONFIG_FOO): foo.ko in the Makefile, which tells you the CONFIG to look for in your .config
[14:23] <siji> apw, ok
[14:23] <siji> let me have a look into it
[14:23] <ogra_> apw, well, the initial issue that drove siji to try the recompile was that the module shipped in the package breaqks with undefined symbols on loading
[14:24] <ogra_> apw, which i find extremely weird for a module built in the same package
[14:25] <siji> ogra_, apw , then by building the kernel from the same source(ubuntu repository)  again will make any sense for me ?
[14:25] <apw> ogra_, odd indeed but not impossible i think
[14:25] <apw> if the dependancies in the Kconfig are broken
[14:27] <siji> apw, broken locally in my setup only ?
[14:27] <bjf> the kteam-bugs is 831M
[14:27] <bjf> -EWRONGCHAN
[14:28] <apw> siji, likely generally if they don't work with the ones in the archive
[14:28] <apw> is there a bug or error messge i can look at
[14:28] <siji> apw, ok
[14:29] <siji> the bug is with ads7846 driver module (Touchscreen - used TSC2046 in the Expansion board,and it connect with DM3730 by SPI port)
[14:30] <siji> ogra_, sorry hasnt got time to report the bug report . apologise ..
[14:31] <ogra_> dont apologize, file it instead :P
[14:32] <siji> :)
[14:34] <tgardner> ogasawara, am working on jjohansen's AA 13 patch set.
[14:35] <ogasawara> ogasawara: ack, I'm lookin at ike's
[14:35] <tgardner> cool
[14:43] <smb> morning
[14:55] <siji> ogra_, done :)
[14:56] <siji> good learning for me :)
[14:57] <ogra_> siji, tell apw the bug number
[14:57] <siji> o
[14:57] <siji> ok
[14:57] <siji> apw, Bug #824589
[14:57] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 824589 in ubuntu "inproper Touch Screen Dirver module(for arm beagleboard) for TSC2046 in the Expansion board,and it connect with DM3730 by SPI port ." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/824589
[14:58] <siji> yes the same
[15:17] <apw> ogra_, do you have a pointer to that possible arm smb issue
[15:18] <ogra_> apw, omap3 has no SMP :)
[15:18] <smb> ogra_, omap4
[15:19] <ogra_> err, you said smb :P
[15:19] <smb> Though I would probably prefer not being called an issue... :)
[15:19] <ogra_> sorry, running a meeting atm
[15:19] <smb> ogra_, He was trying to say smp
[15:32] <apw> jjohansen, about ?  i've replied to your TOCTOU patches, i think there is an issue with the Maverick one
[15:32] <smb> apw, He is here though I need to ask
[15:32] <jjohansen> apw: oh? that is possible
[15:33] <apw> jjohansen, and i am wondering if you are doing backports for lucid and hardy or not
[15:34] <jjohansen> apw: ah yeah, sorry /me couldn't find those last night and hasn't gotten to it this morning yet
[15:39] <apw> jjohansen, ok will wait on those rather than doing them
[15:40] <jjohansen> apw: okay, I'll take a look at the Maverick one again too
[15:40] <apw> jjohansen, my review comments are on the mailing list
[15:41] <jjohansen> apw: thanks
[15:46] <ogra_> smb, apw, meeting done, so what was the issue
[15:47] <smb> ogra_, Question was whether you got a pointer to the bug concerning poor performance in smp mode on the panda
[15:47] <ogra_> the bug number you mean ?
[15:47] <smb> yep
[15:47] <ogra_> i have no further pointers than what are noted in the bug
[15:48] <ogra_> one sec
[15:48] <ogra_> bug 709245
[15:48] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 709245 in linux-ti-omap4 "ARM SMP scheduler performance bug" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/709245
[15:48] <smb> ogra_, K, thanks
[15:49] <smb> Currently upgrading the board here
[16:00] <tgardner> pgraner, looks like the ISO builder ran last night?
[16:04] <tgardner> bummer, still getting apt-get trap divide error
[16:33] <cjwatson> does anyone here who is (a) in ubuntu-core-dev and (b) not in techboard or ubuntu-release have a bug task they'd like to nominate for a stable release?
[16:33] <cjwatson> right now you can just do it; I want to make a change to the stable release ownership in LP and would like to make sure that doing so does not break it this
[16:34] <cjwatson> but I can't test it myself since I'm overprivileged
[16:34] <apw> tgardner, ^^ is the only one i think who fits that criteria
[16:34] <tgardner> cjwatson, hmm, that might be me.
[16:35] <cjwatson> if you have a suitable task to nominate, then yeah, you have the level of privileges I'm looking for
[16:35] <apw> tgardner, you can safely nominate any of our cves to like karmic and the tools will slam them invalid later
[16:36] <tgardner> cjwatson, are you wanting to mess with our ability to make nominations? its already difficult in that very few of us _can_ do it.
[16:36] <apw> s/cves/cve bugs/
[16:36] <cjwatson> tgardner: I want to make sure I'm *not* messing with your ability to do so
[16:36] <tgardner> cjwatson, ah
[16:36] <cjwatson> actually, here
[16:36] <cjwatson> tgardner: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/752694 - can you see an "approve/decline" thing there?  (don't click it yet)
[16:36] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 752694 in grub2 "Grub2 installs on the wrong device if in a RAID config" [High,Confirmed]
[16:37] <tgardner> cjwatson, yes
[16:37] <apw> tgardner, http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kernel-cves.html any of those bugs can be safely nominated to anything, and we'll cope
[16:37] <cjwatson> tgardner: OK, reload - can you still see it, and if you hit approve, does it work?
[16:38] <cjwatson> (I've just changed natty's owner from ubuntu-core-dev to ubuntu-release)
[16:38] <tgardner> cjwatson, it appears to have worked
[16:38] <cjwatson> excellent, thanks!
[16:39] <cjwatson> I'll go and change the other stable releases now then.  Please let me know if you notice regressions in your ability to nominate things
[16:39] <tgardner> cjwatson, will do.
[16:40] <tgardner> apw, since FF approaches, perhaps its time to get an empty oneiric LBM package in the archive before it gets difficult.
[16:42] <apw> i think ff offically is in 15 mins, but lbm has always been treated at part of the kernel
[16:43] <apw> but yes i think its time
[16:43] <cjwatson> (BTW, the fix for bug 451390 ought to have improved the nomination situation for you guys)
[16:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 451390 in launchpad "limited upload rights no longer give series nomination accept/decline rights" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/451390
[16:44] <apw> cjwatson, ohhh nice ... musdt find a way to test that
[16:51] <apw> tgardner, i'll put the LBM on my todo for tommorrow
[16:51] <tgardner> apw, ack
[16:52] <apw> tgardner, you will be pleased to know i have spent several hours un-fooking my email so i have some hope of keeping up on it
[16:52] <tgardner> apw, be sure to check the repo in your morning in case I manage to get to it yet today.
[16:52] <apw> tgardner, ack
[16:53] <tgardner> apw, I'm pretty ruthless about keeping my inbox down to just a couple of emails by EOD
[16:54] <apw> yep and working on a similar scheme but it needs for my filtering to be sane and work, which has been the big battle
[16:54] <apw> i think i have just about won
[16:54]  * tgardner likes procmail
[16:59] <tgardner> ogasawara, does '(drop after 3.0)' make sense for a clean cherry-pick ?
[16:59] <apw> they should drop themselves on rebase anyhow
[17:00] <ogasawara> tgardner: sorta unneeded I guess as apw says they'll drop anyways
[17:00] <tgardner> apw, ogasawara: you mean for the P series kernel, or for the once more that might happen for oneiric ?
[17:01] <apw> (for P i am assuming)
[17:01] <ogasawara> tgardner: they should drop for P, possibly for O if they hit stable and I rebase
[17:01] <tgardner> ok, I'm just being OCD
[17:01] <ogasawara> tgardner: I assume you're referring to ike's patches
[17:02] <tgardner> ogasawara, yep
[17:03] <ogasawara> tgardner: if it makes you feel better, I'm indifferent so if you want to fix up and push over the top, feel free :)
[17:03] <tgardner> ogasawara, I'll get over it. some good drugs will help.
[17:05]  * smb wonders whether there some involved already...
[17:19] <apw> tgardner, you got any rtl8192cu's ? if so do they work ?
[17:19] <tgardner> apw, I can't hear you....
[17:20] <apw> damn
[17:20] <tgardner> apw, everything I jave is Intel or Atheros
[17:20] <tgardner> have*
[17:21] <smb> apw, think I got one
[17:22] <smb> apw, Is that one of your new micro dongles
[17:22] <apw> smb, i got one of those micro 80211.n things ... yeah
[17:22] <apw> seems to be recognised but not auth ... bah
[17:22] <smb> think I got a similar one now
[17:22] <smb> it worked
[17:22] <smb> but in natty you needed cw-2.6.39
[17:25] <apw> doesn't seem to work in oeniric, damn
[17:29]  * tgardner unleashes his inner OCD on ogasawara
[17:30] <ogasawara> heh, what now?
[17:30] <tgardner> k-team email
[17:32] <apw> smb, did your fixes for LBM versioning get out ?
[17:42] <smb> apw, I did versioning?
[17:44] <smb> The last thing I remember doing was that failure to package the right modules
[17:44] <smb> Though that was limited to lucid I think
[17:44] <hggdh> sconklin, bjf, herton: bug 818175 done, marked qa-testing-passed
[17:44] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 818175 in linux "linux: 2.6.38-11.48 -proposed tracker" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/818175
[17:44] <sconklin> hggdh: thank you!
[17:45] <apw> smb, limited to lucid ok
[17:46] <khanx> hi, i downloaded the latest kernel. i have no clue where to start examining it lol
[17:47] <khanx> isnt there something like a schema
[17:49] <jjohansen> khanx: no
[17:50] <jjohansen> khanx: the best place to start is Documentation/ and kernelnewbies.org
[17:55] <khanx> thanks for the tip =)
[18:00] <apw> the natty update on this t30 has fecked it
[18:00]  * tgardner --> lunch
[18:14]  * smb wonders where to test build ti-omap4 kernels...
[18:33] <tgardner> smb, gomeisa or tangerine ?
[18:34] <smb> tgardner, Any would be ok, but there does not seem to be a oneiric-armel schroot on either of them
[18:34] <tgardner> smb, I've been using the cross compiler since the armel schroot doesn't work
[18:35] <smb> tgardner, Ah, ok. Will do the same then
[18:35] <tgardner> smb, echo "debuild -B -edo_tools=false -us -uc"|schroot -c oneiric-amd64
[18:35] <smb> thanks
[18:35] <tgardner> smb, opps, forgot arch: echo "debuild -B -edo_tools=false -us -uc -aarmel"|schroot -c oneiric-amd64
[18:36] <smb> Heh, ok was thinking that would need to be somewhere
[18:36] <tgardner> smb, besides, the cross compiler method is way faster
[18:37]  * ogasawara shakes fist at tgardner's contagious OCD and updates ike's patches
[18:37] <smb> tgardner, Completely agreed. Was not sure the cross compiles is installed or not
[18:38]  * tgardner enjoys his infectious OCD tendencies
[18:38] <ohsix> can you direct them at seeing why i get 3 backlight adjustments for each hard key press :>
[19:20] <mdeslaur> herton: ok, I can reliably reproduce the issue now
[19:20] <mdeslaur> herton: bug updated
[19:22] <herton> mdeslaur: cool, will give you another test kernel shortly
[19:22] <mdeslaur> herton: great, thanks
[20:01] <herton> mdeslaur: done, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/814325/comments/23
[20:01] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 814325 in linux "fuzzy and corrupted display with update in natty-proposed" [High,Triaged]
[20:03] <mdeslaur> herton: trying now, thanks
[20:09] <mdeslaur> herton: sorry, r4 has the regression :(
[20:10] <herton> mdeslaur: ok, seems only way is reverting that patch for now
[20:19] <hggdh> sconklin: just making sure, I am -- right now -- up-to-date on SRUs, correct?
[20:20] <sconklin> hggdh: hold on while I double check. I think so
[20:21] <sconklin> hggdh: yes, you are caught up :-)
[20:28] <hggdh> \o/
[20:28] <hggdh> thank you, sir
[20:39]  * herton -> eod
[20:55]  * ogasawara bails for a bit


[12:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #84294 in firefox (main) "Firefox freezed and crashed when clicking the bookmark menu." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/84294
[02:00] <dfarning> asac just thought I would give you a ping
[02:04] <dfarning> Sorry to all, I've got a few free hours so I may be flooding the mailing list with responses to thing that have come up over the last couple of week
[02:04] <dfarning> Hopefully not as bad as the qa fest last week
[02:16] <asac> just a short stop before bed
[02:16] <asac>  oh lists  ... can you subscribe me please (you are admin, right?)
[02:16] <asac> dfarning: ^ ^
[02:16] <dfarning> how are you
[02:16] <asac> almost asleep
[02:16] <asac> :)
[02:17] <dfarning> where are you living
[02:17] <asac> germany
[02:17] <asac> 2 am here
[02:17] <dfarning> that would make it rather late there
[02:18] <dfarning> If you what we can talk later?
[02:18] <dfarning> are the any specific question that you have?
[02:18] <asac> yeah ... over the weekend I will be hear sporadically
[02:19] <asac> i would like to chat about general bug procedures and workflows with you ... to get your input on that et al .. but no today :(
[02:19] <dfarning> ok see you later
[02:20] <asac> dfarning: yes, cu :) and n8
[02:20] <asac> bye
[03:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #84312 in firefox (main) "latest segment faults on startup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/84312
[06:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #19524 in firefox "Firefox does not pay attention to GNOME DPI setting" [Wishlist,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/19524
[09:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #84342 in firefox (main) "Firefox crashed in background while working with an other application" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/84342
[09:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #84344 in firefox (main) "firefox crash after updating today" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/84344
[04:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #84377 in firefox (main) "firefox crashes on some sites" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/84377
[05:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #84399 in firefox (main) "Returning from full screen doesn't return window to maximized" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/84399
[05:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #49506 in firefox (main) "Firefox doesn't always quit properly" [Low,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/49506
[06:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #84403 in firefox (main) "Don't know" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/84403
[06:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #84405 in firefox (main) "Flash player a pain to install" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/84405
[07:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #84415 in firefox (main) "Firefox crashes when launching Azureus" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/84415
[08:57] <Admiral_Chicago> just saw you email dfarning
[08:57] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak and AlexLatchford if you want, ping me when we are doing a new member education thing.
[08:58] <gnomefreak> ok for me it will have to be monday the earliest
[08:58] <gnomefreak> hi dfarning :)
[08:58] <Admiral_Chicago> around that time for me as well
[08:59] <gnomefreak> i did a few retraces but my to-do list for personal things is getting long for the weekend
[08:59] <dfarning> hey all I'm back and relitively sane
[08:59] <gnomefreak> do we have the new process for new members wiki up yet?
[09:00] <gnomefreak> dfarning: that makes one of us being rrelitivly sane
[09:01] <dfarning> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Membership is the closest thing we have so far
[09:01] <Admiral_Chicago> not yet, i won't be able to get to one in a while, i'm in the comp lab doing comap stuff
[09:01] <gnomefreak> if i get time ill write it but with only 2 of us doing retraces its been fairly busy
[09:02] <dfarning> gnomefreak, how are you tagging the retraces you up load?
[09:04] <gnomefreak> once finished and i upload the stacktrace or whatever i tag traced
[09:05] <dfarning> ok thanks I'll take a look at them and start playing with clue files on them
[09:05] <gnomefreak> ty
[09:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #84430 in gnash (universe) "[Feisty AMD64]  firefox forces restart of gdm when trying to play flash w/gnash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/84430
[09:20] <Admiral_Chicago> the LP team has really messed up Karma counting
[09:21] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm losing karma for no reason.
[09:23] <gnomefreak> me too and i kep emailing them and talking to them in #launchpad but they dissmis it
[09:23] <gnomefreak> dismiss it
[09:23] <gnomefreak> no matter how much i do in bugs/LP my karma is dropping
[09:24] <Admiral_Chicago> yup, they broke it worse than before
[09:25] <gnomefreak> i said screw it. you can go for membership as you are. it will be fairly easy if you bring me alex and asac and anyone else to cheer for you. we all know how much youve done just make sure you document it or have a link to bugs youve done/wikis ect...
[09:26] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: wiki.ubuntu.com/FreddyMartinez
[09:27] <Admiral_Chicago> what do you think
[09:27] <Admiral_Chicago> nixternal told me to go for it as well
[09:29] <dfarning> I'll also give you any support I can
[09:30] <Admiral_Chicago> ty
[09:31] <gnomefreak> go for it bring some of the loco team and us you should be good.
[09:32] <Admiral_Chicago> cool, will do. i'll rope some of the people that stay in #kubuntu as well.
[09:32] <dfarning> how did the modeling project go?
[09:33] <gnomefreak> just let me know when meeting is
[09:33] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato, Hawkwind, dr willis.
[09:33] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: tuesday at 12UTC
[09:33] <Admiral_Chicago> err 6 am for me...
[09:33] <gnomefreak> really?
[09:33] <gnomefreak> i have to keep beeter tab on the wiki :(
[09:35] <gnomefreak> ack thats 7am here i think
[09:37] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm in CST
[09:38] <gnomefreak> ESt here
[09:38] <Admiral_Chicago> yup that is 7 am. you are UTC -5
[10:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #84441 in firefox (main) "mailing list test bug please ignore" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/84441
[10:54] <AlexLatchford> Evening
[10:54] <AlexLatchford> Anyone about?
[10:55] <jhnjwng> alex:good evening.
[10:58] <jhnjwng> gnomefreak: I could give a hand on retrace or something.
[10:59] <jhnjwng> only need to be educated first.


[01:08] <Roey> hey all
[01:08] <Roey> what's this weird issue with Fx 22.0 removing 2 tabs at once when I hit ctrl-w ???
[01:08] <Roey> and why is this behavior apparent only on my laptop and not on my desktop?
[02:05] <Fuzai> Hi i'm new to kde, but been around linux forever.  I just installed ms office into wine and everything is working good, but how do change the defaults in dolphins create new ( right click ) from open office to the ms office equivlants ?
[02:08] <SonikkuAmerica> Fuzai: You'd have to set the default application to "wine /path/to/MS/whichever/program/it/is.exe"
[02:09] <Fuzai> I looked into default applications and didn't see it, is that a specifc thing in dolphin somewhere?
[02:12] <SonikkuAmerica> Fuzai: This should give you a general idea of how to do it using the terminal: http://askubuntu.com/questions/115795/can-microsoft-office-programs-be-opened-by-default-instead-of-libre-office
[02:12] <Fuzai> Thank you
[02:12] <Fuzai> I :)
[02:13] <SonikkuAmerica> I?
[02:14] <Fuzai> typo, crappy keyboard :)
[02:14] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh. lol
[02:15] <SonikkuAmerica> Enjoy KDE, by the way - it's stylish and attractive.
[02:18] <Fuzai> Honestly, i've been using Xfce alot because I can't handle unity and gnome anymore.  I put kubuntu on my grandmothers pc because it seemed like the closest thing to what shes familiar with
[02:18] <Fuzai> I really like what kde is looking like these days and just started migrating my main desktop to it last night
[02:19] <Fuzai> Very fluid
[02:20] <Fuzai> Quassel is alot better then xchat, and k3b has been kicking butt for me for a while
[03:01] <Fuzai> I hate to sound like such a newb, but I'm really not getting this.  I'm trying to modify the create new right click context menu in dolphin ( kubuntu 13.04 ), could someone point me to the exact file I need to edit, I can probably get it from there
[05:30] <BuddyLuvve> Hey... I've got a little problem... I've got a little Dell system with onboard video hooked up to an Acer 27 inch touch screen -- everything works fine with normal kubuntu, but when I try to use kubuntu-active, my video looks like this: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64170531/IMG_20130711_182416.jpg -- Plymouth, the plasma active splash screen, and the unlock dialog display correctly, but I can't figure out how to make
[05:30] <BuddyLuvve> the xsession not be all scrambled... Anyone got any ideas???
[09:11] <axel__> #dev /
[10:15] <paolo> !list
[10:15] <paolo> bye
[11:53] <BluesKaj_> Hiyas all
[13:13] <dnivra> Hello. I'm running Kubuntu 12.04.2 I recently got a new computer and the replaced the hard disk of the new one with the hard disk from the old machine. Now KWin keeps crashing and I've to restart kdm to fix it. I also find that when I restart KDM, the composting type gets set to xrender and most of the times, I am able to set it back to OpenGL. Is there anyway I can figure out why KWin crashes?
[13:14] <dnivra> (there are occasional times when I can't change it to OpenGL).
[13:15] <dnivra> lspci says my VGA graphics adapter is "Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09)".
[13:15] <dnivra> Okay now is a time when I can't change to OpenGL - it gets automatically reset to xrender.
[13:17] <BluesKaj> dnivra, one can't just replace a HDD with an OS installed on it to run in a different computer ...the hardware is different , drivers etc are different
[13:18] <dnivra> Ah okay. I wanted to avoid a full reinstall and so replaced the HDD. Guess I can't evade a full reinstall :(.
[13:18] <BluesKaj> there's no way around it
[13:19] <dnivra> Good to know. Thanks BluesKaj!
[13:19] <BluesKaj> besides , your performance will be much better with a proper clean install
[13:19] <dnivra> Oh! Why's that?
[13:20] <BluesKaj> dnivra, the OS will install the right drivers for your hardware on the new pc
[13:20] <BluesKaj> and use the RAM etc to mit's full capabilities
[13:20] <dnivra> Ah okay - I thought there must be an additional reason :).
[13:21] <BluesKaj> dnivra,, many other factors as well, too numerous to mention
[13:22] <BluesKaj> what was the original OS on thje pc W7  or W8 ?
[13:22] <BluesKaj> dnivra,^
[13:22] <dnivra> yes - Win 7.
[13:23] <dnivra> Oh wait you meant before replacing. That was Windows server 2008 I think.
[13:23] <BluesKaj> ok , just wondering if it uses uefi instead of the bios
[13:23] <BluesKaj> !uefi
[13:24] <dnivra> I suppose I should be able to check from the Setup screen of the machine?
[13:25] <BluesKaj> dnivra, so the pc is "new" to you , not new from a pc store
[13:25] <dnivra> Ah yes. I should have been clearer. Sorry about that.
[13:26] <BluesKaj> dnivra, yes exactly , but if the pc is made in 2010 or previous then you have a regular bios
[13:26] <BluesKaj> which is more kubuntu friendly
[13:26] <BluesKaj> in terms of instalkling'
[13:29] <dnivra> Ah okay. Judging by the looks of the machine, it's probably made before 2010.
[13:30] <dnivra> Plus, since the machine boots the OS from this hard disk, I'm guessing it's a regular bios.
[13:31] <BluesKaj> do you ger the bios screen at bootup with F key option to open the bios?
[13:32] <dnivra> I'm not sure. I'lll reboot, check and be back.
[13:32] <BluesKaj> ok
[13:32] <dnivra> Any particular signs which will confirm it is UEFI? Will the function key options be disabled?
[13:34] <BluesKaj> no , you should have a normal bios , uefi should show up on the screen , I think ...never relly seen one
[13:34] <BluesKaj> it's just that we're having some issues with uefi on new pcs with W8 installed
[13:36] <dnivra> I just checked - UEFI boot is disabled. So I guess there won't be any issues.
[13:38] <BluesKaj> cool , now you can proceed with a proper install ...if the original HDD is worth reinstalling , but that's your decision
[13:40] <dnivra> Yeah I think I will - rather than be stuck with good hardware but not being able to use it fully because of non-optimal settings is bad :). Just that upgrade will take some time - no choice I suppose.
[13:41] <dnivra> Thanks a lot for all your help BluesKaj!
[13:42] <BluesKaj> dnivra, np , c'mon back when you're done the install and let us know how it went ]\
[13:43] <dnivra> Sure thing :)
[13:58] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[14:25] <jorgelortiz> soy de puerto rico
[14:26] <jorgelortiz> hayhalguna persona de puerto rico ademas de mi persona
[15:04] <nick87720z> Hi there. Are there any russians, using backintime-kde?
[15:19] <olivier_1> Hi all. I just installed kubuntu on a brand nez computer. It told me that install was ok at the end but I'm not able to boot on the hard drive. I can boot on my external usb drive.
[15:20] <olivier_1> I have no idea of what has been wrong except maybe because my hard drive use GPT instead of MBR
[15:20] <BluesKaj> olivier_1, did the pc come with W8 installed?
[15:21] <olivier_1> No I bought separated parts ..
[15:21] <olivier_1> I assembled the computer myself
[15:22] <BluesKaj> does it have regular bios ?
[15:22] <olivier_1> I wasn't aware of GPT 10 minutes ago so ...
[15:22] <BluesKaj> or uefi ?
[15:22] <olivier_1> BluesKaj: How to know that ?
[15:23] <olivier_1> (I've been out of the world for two years and I need a serious update :) )
[15:23] <BluesKaj> what kind of bios screen and options at bootup
[15:26] <olivier_1> Well I haven't noticed anything unusual. This is a ASUS motherboard and I went into the BIOS to configured some little things. It is a new version for me but I didn't noticed something special. What should I look for in the bios ?
[15:26] <olivier_1> Its supposed to be written somewhere : uefi
[15:27] <olivier_1> Or can I just check for the model on the internet ?
[15:28] <olivier_1> yep it is an uefi bios
[15:28] <olivier_1> according to asus website
[15:28] <olivier_1> I should read some doc about that I don't know what is it ...
[15:29] <BluesKaj> ok good , then you can hold the left shiftkey down right after the bios screen to bring up grub menu
[15:29] <BluesKaj> you may need to use the nomodeset option in grub if the grub menu doesn't appear
[15:30] <BluesKaj> !nomodeset
[15:30] <olivier_1> ok I'll start my laptop to connect to irc while I'm restarting this computer
[15:31] <olivier_1> ubottu: I have no graphic card just the intel graphic 4000
[15:31] <olivier_1> :)
[15:32] <BluesKaj> well it means your gpu
[15:32] <olivier_1> I reconnect ...
[15:36] <dnivra> So I just finished installing but I didn't format the root partition(I'm upgrading now). OpenGL is working fine for now but I noticed that z shell is responding rather slowly between each command execution. Any possible reason for this behaviour?
[15:37] <olivier_1> Well if the external usb drive is not connected it goes directly to the bios ...
[15:37] <olivier_1> Even when I press left shift
[15:38] <nonzj> hello, i made a mistake and uninstalled/disabled some services which were enabling me to Sleep/Hibernate, now i don't have these buttons anymore; instead i sleep my computer by using the command: "dbus-send --system --print-reply     --dest="org.freedesktop.UPower"     /org/freedesktop/UPower     org.freedesktop.UPower.Suspend", but when i come back the screen is not locked; so, how can i restore the sleep/hibernate button, or how can
[15:38] <olivier_1> The hard drive is detected by the bios and is present in the boot list after the blue ray ...
[15:41] <BluesKaj> olivier_1, did format the HDD using the usb media ?
[15:41] <olivier_1> BluesKaj: Yes
[15:42] <olivier_1> I'm reading a ubuntu tuto about uefi currently. Apprently I should repair the boot :)
[15:43] <olivier_1> I should run boot repair
[15:43] <olivier_1> ANd deactivate the fast boot setting in the bios
[15:44] <BluesKaj> uhm yeah
[15:44] <BluesKaj> othen you do sudo grub-install /dev/sdX from the usb drive
[15:45] <BluesKaj> sdX being the dev assigned letter , prbly sda
[15:46] <olivier_1> BluesKaj: Thats the first thing I did but I had an error about /boot/grub ...
[15:48] <BluesKaj> guess my knowledge of uefi is too little to help with that
[15:51] <olivier_1> BluesKaj: thanks anyway to indicate me the way :) Now that I know that it's probably uefi that is causing the problem it's just a matter of time
[15:54] <BluesKaj> olivier_1, theppl at #ubuntu are quite knowledgable about uefi , altho you probly get the uefi factoid from ubottu at first , expalin your situation and I'm sure you'll receive aid
[15:58] <BluesKaj> dnivra, did you try the konsole rather than z-shell for comparison , also make sure you update and upgrade to bring the install up to date
[17:41] <DoomBoom> I've got a mysterious problem: Whatever time zone I use as primary time zone, the time keeps getting set to the current time at UTC. So I can set my time zone to Amsterdam or to Moscow time, but either way it says it's 17:40 right now
[17:42] <DoomBoom> and if I set my current time zone to UTC and let my desktop clock display the time in a different time zone, the different time zone /does/ display correctly
[17:46] <DoomBoom> maybe I should just reinstall linux
[17:47] <BluesKaj> DoomBoom, I gave up on auto time servers , so i don't enable it , but setting your timezone in the clock settings should default to your original time setting at install as long as they are the same
[17:49] <stew__> hey
[17:53] <DoomBoom> what do you mean, BluesKaj? I can change my time zone in the Date & Time module but whatever I set it to, the system time will be set to 17:53, same as UTC
[17:59] <BluesKaj> uncheck UTC in the time settings , I don't know what else to say, use your time zone there
[17:59] <BluesKaj> DoomBoom,^\
[18:06] <DoomBoom> but thanks, BluesKaj. I feel kinda stupid now
[18:20] <BluesKaj> DoomBoom, don't feel that way , we all make mistakes now and then. :)
[18:26] <lorddelta> DoomBoom; its not your fault, there's a bug on this
[18:26] <lorddelta> I and a couple others are having trouble with the time
[18:26] <lorddelta> in 12.04/13.04
[18:27] <lorddelta> I'm pulling down updates as we speak, but It doesn't look like anything's been updated that might fix the issue
[18:27] <DoomBoom> hm
[18:28] <DoomBoom> I wonder what causes it
[18:28] <lorddelta> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=320456
[18:29] <lorddelta> There has been weirdness with the time for a while, as BluesKaj said the automatic time stuff doesn't work well so there may be several independent bugs at work.
[18:30] <lorddelta> I have the impossible situation at the moment of having two times show up for a single timezone at the moment, so there is soemthing very broken.
[18:30] <lorddelta> something*
[18:32] <lorddelta> Although I hope it gets fixed soon, UTC is quite far away so I made the embarassing mistake of thinking it was an entirely different time than it actually was today.
[18:33] <DoomBoom> wait a secs, that didn't fix it
[18:33] <DoomBoom> the date command still gives UTC time instead of local
[18:33] <lorddelta> DoomBoom; as I said, its not your fault, this is a bug that hasn't been fixed yet.
[18:34] <DoomBoom> yeah, I hope they fix it soon too
[18:34] <lorddelta> It would help if you could comment on the bug and vote on it, to help get it confirmed/a fix out.
[18:35] <DoomBoom> I can do that, but I guess I have to make an account first
[18:35] <lorddelta> Speaking of fixes, ton of security fixes in OpenJDK
[18:35] <lorddelta> O.o
[18:37] <lorddelta> But that's a good thing I guess.
[18:41] <BluesKaj> btw Im talking about the panel digital clock settings , DoomBoom, lorddelta
[18:41] <DoomBoom> yeah I know I put UTC off there
[18:43] <DoomBoom> still if I put my main time to anything but UTC in my Date & Time settings it's set to UTC regardless. So now my desktop clock has the correct time but my system time is still 2 hours behind
[18:43] <BluesKaj> you could also run the command ,  sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
[18:44] <BluesKaj> I should have suggested that first
[18:44] <DoomBoom> hm, I'll try that
[18:44] <lorddelta> BluesKaj: someone was in here a day or so ago; that worked until the panel settings screwed it up for them again
[18:44] <lorddelta> and then that fix stopped working
[18:45] <lorddelta> And yes the issue is everything on the kde/plasma end of time
[18:45] <lorddelta> The actual ntp daemon works just fine
[18:45] <DoomBoom> hm, date is correct now
[18:46] <BluesKaj> lorddelta, i don't know how to fix it then , I haven't had a problem since I decided to uncheck the auto time server option
[18:46] <lorddelta> I thought it could have been a permissions issue? Because I had to sync my time using the daemon, which required sudo rights, and I think there may be some broken auth? Because I have to sign into my keychain every time I log on
[18:46] <lorddelta> BluesKaj: yeah if you set everything manually yourself it works ;)
[18:46] <lorddelta> I'm not saying the clock is incapable of displaying numbers.
[18:47] <lorddelta> But I'm talking about my clock panel; it shouldn't be showing two seperate times for a single time zone.
[18:47] <DoomBoom> in what way does it do that?
[18:47] <lorddelta> Whether or not the automatic time servers are being used or not.
[18:47] <BluesKaj> well auto doesn't mean it works correctly , sometimes manual works better
[18:48] <lorddelta> I actually had an ssl problem because of the off-kilter timezone (although afaik I think it was just a failure to verify a certificate) because of the clock issue, so the issue is more serious than people give it credit it for.
[18:49] <lorddelta> Auto just means afaik that the computer will check the time on boot up, it doesn't poll the time every 5 minutes I don't think
[18:49] <lorddelta> Like I said the actual underyling 'automatic' ntp stuff works fine, its the kde stuff that's broken
[18:50] <lorddelta> But maybe I should spend more time finding the problem than ranting about it ;)
[18:53] <BluesKaj> ntp wasn't working so well on W7 a while back either , altho it seems ok now
[19:00] <lorddelta> haha, yeah Windows in general sucks with its time
[19:00] <lorddelta> Its very funny to see what it does to it sometimes
[19:01] <lorddelta> Its fine as long as you keep the system online but you end up being days or weeks off sometimes
[19:01] <lorddelta> You learn how to jank with it if you've used it for long enough, but that's all it is, glorified jank
[19:02] <lorddelta> At least we have a trusty low level utility here on linux that just works.
[19:02] <lorddelta> Even if KDE breaks.
[19:03] <lorddelta> Actually that is one of the things I really miss about my GNOME days, I don't care for gnome3, but the clock in gnome2 was absolutely stelar, the clock panel in kde is still catching up in terms of graphical ease of use and general functionality.
[19:04] <lorddelta> Multiple time zones coupled with daylight graphs which took the curvature of the earth into account :)
[19:05] <lorddelta> (not that hard actually but it looked damn impressive - you half expected to be able to tell the time on Mars as well)
[19:06] <lorddelta> And I'm pretty sure it came enabled by default too.
[19:07] <lorddelta> I wonder - does anyone know of any public solar clock sources?
[19:08] <lorddelta> I kinda want to build out the kde clock now
[19:08] <lorddelta> I've had some issues with the bcd clock for a while now
[19:08] <lorddelta> and the general time system is so buggy so its perhaps worth looking into
[19:09] <BluesKaj> yeah lorddelta the Canadain Railway System began using the timezone concept back in the 1880s Sir Sandford Fleming, a Canadian railway planner and engineer, outlined a plan for worldwide standard time in the late 1870s
[19:10] <BluesKaj> http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/info/time-zones-history.htm , if you're interested
[19:11] <BluesKaj> it's very important in this vast country of ours
[19:17] <lorddelta> I'm talking not about UTC (I'm familiar with the concept)
[19:17] <lorddelta> I mean IPN - interplanetary time
[19:17] <lorddelta> Ideally something that can take redshift into account.
[19:17] <lorddelta> http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewnews.html?id=92
[19:20] <lorddelta> Also aren't timezones pretty political?
[19:21] <DoomBoom> well, sometimes countries use timezones that don't really fit their area in order to sync up with a nearby economy
[19:21] <BluesKaj> only in the pacific islands where the international dateleibe affects commerce of the smaller island nations trade with larger ones like Australia etc
[19:22] <DoomBoom> like France, Belgium, Spain and the Netherlands who sync up with Germany
[19:22] <BluesKaj> dateline
[19:23] <lorddelta> I think this is what I'm referring to. I know I've seen it before, I'm just not sure this is it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephemeris_time
[19:25] <BluesKaj> guess that was before the atomic clock
[19:25] <lorddelta> *nod* yeah I know thats how they sync stuff
[19:26] <lorddelta> But UTC has the fundamental flaw of  not really accurately expressing actual time thanks to those economic/political decisions. It'd be nice to have a universal number that you can use to derive UTC, rather the other way around
[19:27] <lorddelta> If you're gonna write a better kde panel clock that is
[19:27] <lorddelta> One that can tell the time on Mars/the Sun/the Moon
[19:28] <lorddelta> s/actual time/actual redshift/
[19:29] <lorddelta> GPS systems do this already, why not our standard digital clocks?
[19:29] <benklop> hey, got a new kubuntu installation, upgraded and what not with a 3.9 kernel so I can use DisplayLink adapters properly. haven't really made any other changes aside from installing Bumblebee for Optimus support.
[19:30] <benklop> for some reason Libreoffice won't start up
[19:30] <benklop> at the terminal, no messages are displayed, I just get the libreoffice banner for a second or two, then nothing
[19:33] <lorddelta> Version <IP_ADDRESS> / Kubuntu 12.04.2 working just fine here benklop: i'd check your package number and ask in libreoffice
[19:35] <lorddelta> And before that I had 3.5 running on here fine for quite a while
[19:35] <SonikkuAmerica> Another thing: Why is the Kickstarter not available in KDE? (Plasma Widget maybe?)
[19:36] <benklop> hmm. this is version <IP_ADDRESS> - did you get <IP_ADDRESS> from the repos?
[19:36] <lorddelta> Kickstarter? You mean Kickoff?
[19:36] <lorddelta> benklop: let me check
[19:36] <SonikkuAmerica> lorddelta: The LibreOffice Kickstarter
[19:38] <lorddelta> benklop: http://ppa.launchpad.net/libreoffice/libreoffice-4-0/ubuntu/ precise/main amd64
[19:38] <benklop> lorddelta: thanks
[19:40] <lorddelta> SonikkuAmerica: I don't know what you are referring to, sorry
[19:40] <lorddelta> benklop: np
[19:41] <lorddelta> I'm afraid I try to stay away from fancy document processing in libreoffice, apart from perhaps excel spreadsheets
[19:41] <SonikkuAmerica> lorddelta: The little tray icon for LibreOffice (in Tools > Options > Memory) there's no checkbox for it, is it particularly for GTK+?
[19:42] <lorddelta> SonikkuAmerica: never heard of it till now. And it is called Quickstarter, Kickstarter is to my knowledge an online funding website
[19:43] <lorddelta> I don't see anything in my systray either so I believe you when you say it doesn't work.
[19:43] <SonikkuAmerica> lorddelta: Dumbo me *facepalm* In my world Qu == K. lol That's what I meant, the Quickstarter.
[19:44] <lorddelta> What does it do exactly?
[19:45] <SonikkuAmerica> lorddelta: It just sits in the system tray and loads up the "New" screen when you click on it. Here it is in Xubuntu (look for the LibreOffice icon up in the top right): http://imagebin.org/264851
[19:45] <lorddelta> you can just start whichever application (calc, writer, draw) by running a quick search in the Kickoff launcher...if that's what you're trying to achieve
[19:46] <SonikkuAmerica> lorddelta: Well, yeah, there is that I guess...
[19:47] <lorddelta> Probably why I haven't noticed it till now.
[19:47] <lorddelta> its so useful and ambidextrous between it and the command line there's not much use for arbitrary sys tray applets any more
[19:50] <lorddelta> But I suppose you can't create a "new calc document"
[19:52] <lorddelta> Hang on I'm gonna run a trace to see if I can catch anything
[19:58] <lorddelta> I don't see anything particularly interesting
[19:59] <lorddelta> SonikkuAmerica: I'd ask around #libreoffice, follow their topic forwarding, you need to find the responsible component, then maybe you can let me know or ask in #kde when it comes to getting the applet to show up
[19:59] <lorddelta> The systray component
[20:00] <vadrao> Hi all, does anybody know if Kubuntu installs fine with UEFI and GPT enabled hardware? For me Ubuntu installs fine. But, Kubuntu installer crashes
[20:01] <lorddelta> vadrao: I don't know, but I installed ubuntu originally and switched to kubuntu manually
[20:01] <vadrao> lorddelta: You mean that you installed Kubuntu-desktop on top of Ubuntu ?
[20:01] <lorddelta> Why don't you be a bit more specific about what is crashing?
[20:01] <lorddelta> Yes.
[20:02] <lorddelta> They share (Ub and Kub) the same core
[20:02] <lorddelta> Its the desktop that's different, so you can just download it all and run the installer using apt-get if you're comfortable with that
[20:02] <lorddelta> And remove the Unity desktop too if you want while you are at it
[20:03] <lorddelta> I had XFCE, Unity, KDE, Gnome 3 all installed simultaneously on here at one time.
[20:03] <vadrao> lorddelta: The installer crashes when it is trying to install Grub. It says "Sorry the installer crashed while trying to install grub"
[20:04] <lorddelta> If Ubuntu works then I'd wager its fine; BluesKaj; any thoughts? Its probably just a bad CD, if grub works generally the desktop doesn't touch that
[20:04] <vadrao> lorddelta: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1178294
[20:05] <lorddelta> Grub is system level so if the Ubuntu core install works, then I see no reason you can't install the kubuntu desktop on top of the ubuntu one.
[20:05] <yossarianuk> vadrao: do you already have ubuntu installed?
[20:05] <lorddelta> Its more work, but fixing the CD is probably even more work than you are ready for.
[20:06] <lorddelta> vadrao: is this the first CD you've tried? I've had it happen to me that a physical media burn is corrupt.
[20:06] <yossarianuk> if you do then the UEFI bootloader will be the same for ubunut + kubuntu - they both use the entry 'ubuntu' in uefi
[20:06] <yossarianuk> you need to do 2 things
[20:06] <lorddelta> It can happen (although more rarely) to the usb sticks.
[20:06] <vadrao> yossarianuk: I was testing with Ubuntu until now. But, I am a KDE guy and has been using Kubuntu since the past 6 years and would like to continue with that. So tried it and failed
[20:07] <yossarianuk> 1) copy /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu to /boot/efi/EFI/kubuntu
[20:07] <vadrao> lorddelta: I am using USB stick
[20:07] <yossarianuk> 2) change the GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR=` line in /etc/default/grub
[20:07] <yossarianuk> to kubuntu
[20:08] <lorddelta> vadrao: great, follow yosarianuk's instructions, and if that doesn't work, install kubuntu using apt-get like I suggested :)
[20:08] <yossarianuk> then 'update-grub'
[20:08] <yossarianuk> I would just install refind thhough
[20:08] <yossarianuk> its easier
[20:08] <vadrao> yossarianuk: refind?
[20:09] <yossarianuk> get it from 'http://sourceforge.net/projects/refind/files/0.7.1/refind_0.7.1-1_amd64.deb/download'
[20:09] <lorddelta> 1) apt-get install kubuntu-desktop <-- single step, log out, log in (select the kubuntu desktop)
[20:09] <yossarianuk> vadrao: it means you don;t need a uefi entry / grub for each distri
[20:09] <yossarianuk> *distro*
[20:09] <vadrao> lorddelta: Yes, I know that method. But I dont want unnecessary packages from Ubuntu
[20:10] <vadrao> lorddelta: That would be my last resort
[20:10] <lorddelta> sudo apt-get remove unity-desktop
[20:10] <lorddelta> or the like
[20:10] <vadrao> lorddelta: Would it remove unity-desktop cleanly
[20:10] <lorddelta> not sure what that command is, I like having at least two desktops in case on of them breaks
[20:10] <lorddelta> you can always sudo apt-get purge unity-desktop
[20:10] <lorddelta> err
[20:10] <yossarianuk> for me when i update bios I loose all uefi entrys
[20:10] <lorddelta> sudo apt-get purge unity-desktop && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[20:11] <lorddelta> run it from vt1
[20:11] <yossarianuk> the easiet way to access all distros on my disk (all uefi) is refind
[20:11] <yossarianuk> just instal the deb - reboot - you can access all distros...
[20:11] <yossarianuk> (and its graphical also)
[20:11] <vadrao> yossarianuk: Thanks for that tip. I will give refind a try and update here
[20:11] <yossarianuk> worth a go
[20:12] <lorddelta> Graphical methods are nice but single liners are as well. Not sure what problem people have with copy paste...
[20:13] <yossarianuk> perhaps if you already had ubunutu installed in uefi this is messing with kubuntu's boot loader instal
[20:13] <yossarianuk> you could try remobving it with efibootmgr
[20:14] <lorddelta> I guess to do is safely 1) 'echo -e "#!/bin/bash \n sudo apt-get purge unity-desktop && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" | tee > switch-deskop.sh && chmod +x switch-desktop.sh' 2) switch to vt1 3) run ./switch-desktop.sh
[20:16] <vadrao> lorddelta: What does the first command do?
[20:16] <lorddelta> echoes a script, makes it executable
[20:17] <lorddelta> the -e parameter lets you evaluate characters like bells and newline returns
[20:17] <vadrao> lorddelta: Thanks. now I get it
[20:17] <benklop> SonikkuAmerica: you could try running libreoffice --quickstart
[20:17] <vadrao> I am not afraid of command line. I could use straight forward commands :)
[20:17] <benklop> SonikkuAmerica: that should run the quickstarter
[20:18] <lorddelta> Although that is a little verbose and there is the danger of me making a mistake or not copying the entire command or something
[20:18] <lorddelta> I'm also not sure that unit-desktop is in unity-desktop but that's the general format
[20:19] <lorddelta> Which is where guis come in handy :)
[20:20] <vadrao> lorddelta: Thanks. I will try your option and the option suggested by yossarianuk
[20:28] <lorddelta> vadrao: heads up if you try my methods just go ahead and stick this script http://paste.ubuntu.com/5885476/ a script called ./switch-desktop.sh, chmod +x it, and execute that
[20:28] <lorddelta> the command I gave earlier won't work because it won't echo the sha-bang
[20:31] <SonikkuAmerica> benklop: OK
[20:31] <vadrao> yossarianuk: In the instructions you have given above, where should I run update-grub command?
[20:31] <yossarianuk> after altering /etc/default/grub
[20:32] <vadrao> yossarianuk: When I am altering /etc/default/grub, I am on the host machine, making changes on the USB stick of Kubuntu install right
[20:32] <vadrao> lorddelta: Thanks a lot. I will do that
[20:34] <vadrao> yossarianuk: In that case how would update-grub effect the Kubuntu install?
[20:36] <lorddelta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5885494/ <-- use this one, I double checked and its ubuntu-desktop, and updated to also do stuff like remove unity(2d) and extra un-needed packages before it installs kubuntu
[20:37] <SonikkuAmerica> !purekde | lorddelta
[20:38] <lorddelta> SonikkuAmerica: not a good idea, there is some stuff you may want to keep which uses gtk
[20:38] <lorddelta> like firefox?
[20:39] <SonikkuAmerica> I didn't know Firefox was built solely on GTK+, and Kubuntu has an installer (included inside the kubuntu-desktop pointer package)
[20:39] <SonikkuAmerica> (for Firefox)
[20:40] <BluesKaj> SonikkuAmerica, FF uses some gtk libs
[20:40] <lorddelta> gtk isn't a bad library, I just don't like what their desktop team has done
[20:40] <SonikkuAmerica> BluesKaj: Doesn't Kubuntu have them pulled in anyway if the Firefox installer is run? (I use Chromium)
[20:42] <lorddelta> Wow they still use gtk2
[20:42] <lorddelta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5885504/
[20:43] <lorddelta> Guess it must be to support the Mate guys.
[20:43] <lorddelta> And older windows computers.
[20:43] <BluesKaj> SonikkuAmerica, no , chromium uses gtk as well afiak
[20:44] <SonikkuAmerica> BluesKaj: I didn't have to pull in much, I think it only needed the glibs
[20:45] <lorddelta> And anyways I don't think you need to worry about purging gnome anyways, I have the unity desktop installed as well but I'm being told that gnome isn't installed, except gnome-terminal.
[20:45] <SonikkuAmerica> BluesKaj: I know it can incorporate the GTK+ theme anyway, so it needs glibs for that
[20:46] <lorddelta> And the GTK theme can incorporate the KDE theme, so its good all around.
[20:46] <BluesKaj> one can always go the purekde route but it's not advisable , limits one 's themes and fonts
[20:47] <BluesKaj> and other stuff I'm sure
[21:07] <vadrao> How do I change the language of this column in my Konsole. http://i.imgur.com/aYv1bnU.png
[21:07] <vadrao> My default language is English
[21:08] <vadrao> I live in Finland and that language is Finnish. I would like to change it to English
[21:10] <vadrao> anybody can help me ?
[21:16] <BluesKaj> vadrao, al+F2 , type kdesudo systemsettings  , this puts you root permission mode , then choose Locale, then choose the language
[21:17] <vadrao> BluesKaj: My locale is American English
[21:18] <BluesKaj> yes , choose it agin and click apply
[21:18] <BluesKaj> again
[21:18] <vadrao> Only one coloumn in Konsole is in Finnish. The rest is in English
[21:19] <BluesKaj> column ?
[21:19] <tsimpson> it'ts all in Finnish, it's just that that's the only translatable part
[21:20] <vadrao> BluesKaj: In the above, I have a screenshot
[21:20] <vadrao> link
[21:21] <vadrao> http://i.imgur.com/aYv1bnU.png
[21:22] <vadrao> tsimpson: I did not get you. My system language is English by default. Every thing is in English. Just my country settings are Finland.
[21:22] <tsimpson> vadrao: the ouput of ls only has one translatable part, the month name
[21:23] <tsimpson> *output
[21:23] <tsimpson> the entire thing is in Finnish, it's just that that's the only part that is language specific
[21:23] <tsimpson> if you "echo $LANG" it should should show a Finnish locale
[21:24] <vadrao> tsimpson: the output of that command is "en_US.UTF-8"
[21:25] <tsimpson> check the output of "locale"
[21:25] <tsimpson> every value it prints should have the same value (except LC_ALL)
[21:26] <thelionroars> The privileges on my desktop have been messed up for a while - I can use sudo from the command line but I can't get sudo privileges when using a graphical application such as the updater widget. Does anyone know which group I need to add myself to?
[21:26] <vadrao> tsimpson: This is the output of locale
[21:26] <vadrao> http://pastebin.com/C78N0ZEf
[21:27] <jalcine> thelionroars: the 'sudo' group
[21:28] <thelionroars> orly?
[21:29] <BluesKaj> thelionroars, use kdesudo for graphical / GUIs
[21:29] <thelionroars> I knew that
[21:30] <thelionroars> I would like to be able to use the standard way of  authenticating with applications such as the updater widget though - it will open a dialogue asking me to authenticate
[21:31] <thelionroars> I can't authenticate with this dialog at present
[21:32] <thelionroars> thanks jalcine, worked like a charm
[21:33] <vadrao> tsimpson: So, I would I change the entire thing back to English.
[21:34] <tsimpson> vadrao: I'm not sure, you need to somehow set the LC_TIME environment variable to en_US.UTF-8 if you want to make the dates be in English
[21:34] <tsimpson> I don't know how to do that from the GUI, I've never had to change it before
[21:35] <vadrao> tsimpson: Thanks a lot. I will check that out
[21:36] <tsimpson> you could put "export LC_TIME=en_US.UTF-8" in your ~/.profile for example, I'm not sure if that's the right way to go though
[21:37] <vadrao> tsimpson: Thanks for that lead. I will give that a try now
[21:38] <vadrao> tsimpson: Perfect. It works in the Konsole. As you have said putting it in .profile would make it permanent. But I will now look for a systemwide setting which can take that into account
[21:39] <lorddelta> vadrao: install successfull then I take it? :)
[21:39] <vadrao> Yes
[21:40] <vadrao> I went with your suggested way
[21:40] <vadrao> :)
[21:40] <lorddelta> Glad to be of help
[21:40] <vadrao> Thankyou very much once again
[21:44] <lorddelta> You're welcome.


[00:00] <williammanda> I have been working off and on with a guy in the linuxtv room getting it working
[01:27] <superm1> 2.6.24
[01:27] <superm1> is the next one
[01:27] <superm1> yeah
[01:28]  * directhex upgrades his backend to gutsy
[02:33] <MythbuntuGuest05> hey, I'm installing a 2nd hard drive and am having problems getting it to be a rw drive.
[02:33] <MythbuntuGuest05> I modified fstab to mount it as rw but it still seems to be read only
[02:36] <MythbuntuGuest05> it's a ext3 partition too
[02:36] <MythbuntuGuest05> so it should be able to write
[08:02] <CCB0x45> hey all the sudden after my last reboot my mythtvbox  loses the picture to my tv even though there is no screensaver
[08:02] <CCB0x45> after sitting idle for a while
[08:03] <CCB0x45> I have to log out of X and back in to get it back
[10:15] <Solarbaby> anyone have any idea how to run commercial skip on a recording that did not record with commercial skipping activated?
[10:22] <Solarbaby> I believe I just figured it out..  you can do it through the frontend
[15:15] <jakemonO> anyone have any luck w/pvr-350 tv-out?
[15:23] <beavis> tgm4883_laptop, are you around?
[15:24] <tgm4883> yep
[15:24] <beavis> I committed the first version to google codes's svn repository
[15:24] <tgm4883> nice, link?
[15:24] <beavis> with support for LiveTV, scheduled recordings and idle
[15:25] <beavis> http://mythbackend-notifier.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/trayicon.py
[15:26] <directhex|bsp> jakemonO, support is disappearing. the cons outweight the pros
[15:26] <beavis> just change the IP in there from http://<IP_ADDRESS>:6544/xml to the one from your BE
[15:26] <beavis> this notifier works fine here on gutsy (with gnome)
[15:27] <beavis> it now uses DOM since DOM's easier to use for navigation through the XML tree
[15:28] <beavis> tgm4883, it displays the title as a tooltip
[15:29] <tgm4883> arg, i feel like an idiot.  is it just ./trayicon.py to run?
[15:31] <beavis> yes
[15:33] <tgm4883> hmm
[15:33] <tgm4883> ok, made executable, needs wx module
[15:34] <tgm4883> would that be python-wxgtk##?
[15:35] <tgm4883> i have libwxbase2.8-0 and libwxgtk2.8-0 installed
[15:35] <beavis> python-wxgtk2.6/gutsy uptodate <IP_ADDRESS>.1.5ubuntu12
[15:35] <beavis> python-wxversion/gutsy uptodate <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu3
[15:35] <beavis> that's what I have installed here
[15:36] <beavis> I'll switch to wxgtk2.8
[15:36] <tgm4883> i just installed 2.8
[15:37] <tgm4883> so lets see what happens
[15:38] <tgm4883> hmm
[15:38] <tgm4883> doesn't appear to work.  Let me go back to 2.6
[15:39] <beavis> it works here with 2.8
[15:39] <tgm4883> oh
[15:39] <tgm4883> it's just appears to hang for me
[15:39] <beavis> does it display an error msg?
[15:39] <tgm4883> nope
[15:40] <beavis> so it should work, you probably just don't see the icon
[15:40] <tgm4883> sounds about right
[15:41] <tgm4883> do I need to grab anything additional for that?
[15:42] <beavis> I added some debug output
[15:42] <beavis> svn up again please
[15:46] <tgm4883> :( nothing
[15:47] <tgm4883> dangit, sec
[15:48] <tgm4883> nope, still nothing
[15:49] <tgm4883> arg
[15:49] <tgm4883> nm
[15:49] <tgm4883> it works
[15:49] <tgm4883> i had only changed the first IP I saw
[15:49] <tgm4883> didn't know there was a second one
[15:49]  * tgm4883 smacks head
[15:51] <tgm4883> beavis, what tuner is it checking?
[15:53] <beavis> oops yes, sorry, yes, not the best coding ;) just wanted to add the title to the tooltip
[15:53] <beavis> tgm4883, it checks only for the first one, my idea is to use several icons for all tuners
[15:54] <tgm4883> hmm
[15:54] <tgm4883> my tuner 1 is recording, although it the notifier says no recording
[15:59] <tgm4883> beavis, what do you think about this.  (idk, how hard it is to code though).  What about having the main icon change to red if any tuner is recording, then if you click on it, a drop down menu listing the remaining encoders
[16:04] <beavis> tgm4883, check your xml file if there's a tag <Encoder ... with state=1
[16:04] <beavis> tgm4883, does it display the icon now?
[16:05] <tgm4883> it does display the icon
[16:05] <beavis> what was the issue?
[16:05] <tgm4883> i dont' have the code you requested
[16:06] <tgm4883> I have the color changing code though
[16:06] <tgm4883> but
[16:06] <tgm4883> it says recording == #
[16:06] <tgm4883> not state == #
[16:06] <tgm4883> the issue with the icon not showing up was not having the correct IP address in both areas
[16:07] <beavis> <Encoders count="1">
[16:07] <beavis> <Encoder local="1" connected="1" id="1" state="0" hostname="maxi"/>
[16:07] <beavis> that's where it gets the state from
[16:07] <tgm4883> in trayicon.py or the xml file?
[16:08] <tgm4883> <Encoder local="1" connected="1" id="1" state="4" hostname="myrtle">
[16:08] <tgm4883> thats my xml file
[16:08] <tgm4883> err
[16:08] <tgm4883> whats in it
[16:08] <tgm4883> but I can't tell where in the trayicon.py its looking for encoder 1
[16:09] <beavis> well yes, it checks for the first tag <Encoder and it's attribute state
[16:10] <tgm4883> hmm
[16:10] <tgm4883> then i wonder whats happening
[16:10] <beavis> def activeVideoDevices checks for the state
[16:10] <beavis> so you get a black icon?
[16:11] <tgm4883> yes
[16:11] <tgm4883> even though my first recorder (tuner 1) is recording
[16:11] <tgm4883> im wondering if it's this
[16:11] <tgm4883> elif recording == "4":
[16:12] <beavis> 4 means recording
[16:12] <beavis> 1 means LiveTV
[16:12] <tgm4883> shouldn't it be elif state == "4":
[16:12] <beavis> it's state in activeVideoDevices, in main it's mapped to recording
[16:13] <tgm4883> ah
[16:16] <beavis> well I deactivated my second encoder, I just need one at the moment, so I don't really know which one it takes
[16:16] <tgm4883> well let me fire up both other recorders and we will see
[16:17] <beavis> it really should create a list with the state for <Encoders count=X>
[16:17] <beavis> the script was just planned as a quick workaround for my needs only ;-P
[16:18] <tgm4883> hmm
[16:19] <beavis> still black?
[16:21] <tgm4883> interesting
[16:21] <tgm4883> it was watching my last tuner
[16:22] <tgm4883> which (not that I think it matters) is on my slave backend
[16:22] <tgm4883> and is tuner 6
[16:22] <tgm4883> I have tuner 1, tuner 2, and tuner 6
[16:22] <tgm4883> and it was watching tuner 6
[16:23] <beavis> interesting hnmm
[16:26] <beavis> http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/pythonxml/chapter/ch01.html <-- DOM and python
[16:29] <beavis> you could check for the first encoder only, like: if node.getAttribute("id")=="1" state=node.getAttribute("state")
[16:29] <beavis> (yes it's a quick hack ;) )
[16:32] <tgm4883_laptop> Yea, i'll try that and see where we get.  Ideally we want to check all tuners (or perhaps just backends).  But isolating one is the first step i think
[16:43] <tgm4883> beavis, yep that works
[16:45] <tgm4883> beavis, stop me if this makes no sense (the only programing ive done is in java).  But can we stick a for loop in there and increment the id#?
[17:11] <beavis> tgm4883, it *is* already a loop, I added some code now which lists all upcoming recording
[17:11] <beavis> tgm4883, svn up
[17:12] <beavis> tgm4883, do you use svn? It's easier than downloading
[17:12] <tgm4883> no, launchpad and bzr
[17:12] <tgm4883> i think ive used svn once
[17:14] <beavis> apt-get install subversion
[17:15] <beavis> and then
[17:15] <beavis> svn checkout http://mythbackend-notifier.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/ mythbackend-notifier-read-only
[17:15] <beavis> once and svn up after that
[17:16] <tgm4883> k
[17:16] <tgm4883> when I svn up
[17:17] <tgm4883> do I need to
[17:17] <tgm4883> svn up http://........
[17:19] <tgm4883> beavis, remember, everything that i say could be wrong, im reading some stuff off the internet about python and my only coding experience is with java
[17:19] <tgm4883> but
[17:20] <tgm4883> can you stick target = ... before def activeVideoDevices( ):
[17:20] <tgm4883> then it should be a global variable
[17:20] <tgm4883> and we can get rid of the other two local target variables
[17:20] <beavis> you need only svn checkout once with the whole path
[17:20] <tgm4883> k
[17:21] <beavis> svn update (up) without then
[17:21] <tgm4883> i just tested the above target thing and it works for me
[17:22] <beavis> I use Eclipse as IDE, there is a nice python plugin for eclipse
[17:23] <beavis> but Gedit works fine as well
[17:23] <tgm4883> im looking at it in gedit, but I also have idle
[17:24] <tgm4883> installing eclipse now
[17:24] <beavis> eclipse-pydev is what you need
[17:24] <tgm4883> so would moving target work?  or is there something else that would mess up?
[17:24] <beavis> this will give you code completion, the greatest thing in the world ;)
[17:25] <beavis> sure it should be defined globally
[17:25] <beavis> we probably need a class which puts all information into an object
[17:25] <beavis> to allow things like card[1].state....
[17:26] <beavis> eclipse needs java
[17:26] <beavis> sun-java6-jre/gutsy uptodate 6-03-0ubuntu2
[17:27] <tgm4883> I added some other stuff to the info line for the state.  Not sure if you want it, but i'll post it here
[17:28] <tgm4883> actually, maybe we should take this to #ubuntu-mythtv-dev
[17:28] <tgm4883> as this is the support channel
[17:29] <beavis> we can create whatever we want ;)
[17:30] <beavis> or just use gtalk or something like this
[17:31] <tgm4883> well #ubuntu-mythtv-dev is the development channel, but whatever you want
[17:31] <tgm4883> here is the stuff i added
[17:31] <tgm4883> http://pastebin.com/m9ca44e4
[17:43] <mindframe-> is there a way to tell mythbuntu to burn a movie to a cd or dvd?
[17:44] <mindframe-> something 'automated'
[17:44] <tgm4883> like mytharchive?
[17:44] <tgm4883> i haven't used that for movies though
[17:44] <mindframe-> i was thinking more of converting an avi to dvd
[17:44] <tgm4883> like mytharchive?
[17:44] <mindframe-> i will look into that
[17:45] <tgm4883> mytharchive should transcode it into whatever format you tell it to
[17:45] <mindframe-> so if i have a headless frontend will it use the burner on that backend?
[17:46] <tgm4883> why would you have a headless frontend?
[17:46] <tgm4883> seriously, whats the point?
[17:46] <mindframe-> save $
[17:46] <tgm4883> and how do you travel through the menus?
[17:46] <mindframe-> no need to buy a hard drive
[17:46] <tgm4883> ?
[17:46] <mindframe-> i think headless may be the wrong term
[17:46] <mindframe-> sorry
[17:46] <tgm4883> what does  a hard drive have to do with being without a monitor?
[17:46] <mindframe-> diskless
[17:46] <tgm4883> ah
[17:47] <mindframe-> im tired
[17:47] <tgm4883> i don't think it will work then
[17:47] <tgm4883> as it needs somewhere to store the transcoded material before it burns
[17:47] <mindframe-> couldn't it store it to an nfs share?
[17:48] <tgm4883> it could, but you still have one problem
[17:48] <tgm4883> now if you can nfs share the dvd burner
[17:48] <tgm4883> then maybe it will work
[17:48] <tgm4883> but this is probably uncharted territory
[17:48] <tgm4883> so you will need to have a compass and make a map of the new world :)
[17:48] <mindframe-> :)
[17:52] <tgm4883> beavis, i also think that it is showing my last scheduled recording twice
[18:02] <mindframe-> how does mythtv detect commercials?
[18:05] <tgm4883> mindframe-, it uses a variety of different methods
[18:07] <tgm4883> black frame detection, logo detection, etc
[21:16] <jakemonO> anyone have a gutsy ivtv-fb module compiled to share?
 jakemonO, support is disappearing. the cons outweight the pros
[21:37] <jakemonO> i got that, but i just hosed my machine and i'm rebuilding, so i was just wondering...
[21:38] <jakemonO> also, directhex, why do the cons outweigh the pros?
[21:40] <directhex> jakemonO, pros: it exists
[21:40] <directhex> cons: can only play mpeg, hell to set up, low resolution, poorly supported, no opengl support (myth is moving further & further towards gl for menus etc)
[21:41] <jakemonO> ah, so which tuner would be recommended?
[21:42] <directhex> you're not talking about a tuner
[21:43] <directhex> the 350 is fine as an analog mpeg2 capture card, it's worthless as a tv-out card
[21:43] <jakemonO> i'd go with my old edgy setup, but its been giving me problems with the sechedulesdirect
[21:43] <jakemonO> my 350 isnt a tuner?
[21:44] <directhex> your 350 is a tuner and a tv-out card
[21:44] <directhex> ivtv-fb would be required only for tv-out, so you're interested in using the junk portion
[21:45] <directhex> nobody would ever recommend a 350 to you now, unless it was second hand, and cheaper than a 150
[21:45] <superm1> yes there is jakemonO
[21:45] <superm1> there is a thread on the forums detailing it
[21:45] <superm1> and you need to actiavte gutsy-proposed
[21:46] <superm1> for a fix that is in it
[21:46] <jakemonO> ah, i'll try that just as soon as I ensure that the module i just compiled doesnt work
[21:46] <jakemonO> (thanks superm1)
[21:47] <jakemonO> directhex: i'm using an old pc, so I was looking for a card that had hardware en/decode and video out to ease the cpu budren, any recommendations? (I also need a remote)
[21:48] <directhex> jakemonO, any graphics card. a $10 card will be infinitely better overall than a 350 for tv-out
[21:48] <jakemonO> hm
[21:50] <jakemonO> it needs component out
[21:52] <directhex> your 350 doesn't have component out, it has composite or svideo
[21:52] <NeoFax> Hello everyone
[21:53] <jakemonO> composite, thats what i mean

[21:54] <NeoFax> I am having a problem connecting with a FE to my BE.  MySQL errors saying hostname.local not allowed.  However, I have the BE setup to allow from any host using the % in the privileges.
[21:54] <directhex> composite is the absolute bottom-of-the-range output option. petty much every card on the market will do composite out
[22:19] <jakemonO> superm1, I'm reading this thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=568074


[14:55] <JonathanD> Poke
[14:55] <JonathanD> Camping trip this month, in NJ
[14:55] <JonathanD> ANyone care to join? :)


[01:46] <IrcsomeBot1> freak_502 was added by: freak_502
[07:29] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:31] <swift110> hey
 I just got a "KDE Daemon" notification about needing a system restart to complete updates. Does anyone know what this is and how I can remove it?
[08:36] <lordievader> It is apt/dpkg saying a reboot is required to complete the update process.
 I'd like to avoid this as a system notification through my desktop GUI
 I read all the `apt` messages when I ran `dist-upgrade`. Is it possible to remove this KDE Daemon?
 (Photo, 1059x760) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/7PmWVAb8/file_19865.jpg
 Ooh nice. Do you know what component triggers the notification?
 @Schyken, Mostly kernel updates I think, which create the file /var/run/reboot-required
[11:08] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:33] <DaniWeTT> Hi BluesKaj!!!
[13:14] <user|75491> hi
[13:15] <user|75491> which one is better Ubuntu default or Kubuntu?
[13:17] <BluesKaj> !poll | user|75491
[13:18] <BluesKaj> !polls | user|75491
[13:19] <BluesKaj> hmm anyway we don't do polls here user|75491, it's up to you to make up your own mind about ubuntu and it's flavours
[13:56] <elknom> Hello after upgrading to Ubuntu 18.04, I'm receiving "Temporary failure in name resolution" when I ping google.com. WiFi  says it is connected, and other devices on the network work.  Do you have a suggestion of a resource I could use, or something to try? My Google Fu has not found a working solution yet.
[14:08] <BluesKaj> elknom, open a terminal and run sudo systemctl enable network-manager, then sudo systemctl start network-manager. A reboot might be required.
[14:09] <IrcsomeBot1> Peter crafford was added by: Peter crafford
[14:18] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Those commands can be combined into `sudo systemctl enable --now <service>`
[14:18] <elknom> I have taken these steps, it's still doing the same thing
[14:18] <lordievader> elknom: What is the contents of `/etc/resolv.conf`?
[14:20] <elknom> Hmm will be interesting to convey through Android.
[14:20] <lordievader> !paste
[14:20] <elknom> It looks like there are four lines, all commented
[14:21] <elknom> Ty
[14:21] <lordievader> That sounds like a problem ;)
[14:21] <lordievader> Add `nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>`, or some other resolver.
[14:27] <BluesKaj> DNS should be set in /etc/systemd/resolved.conf
[14:30] <IrcsomeBot1> derEremit was added by: derEremit
 hey, I just upgraded one machine to focal :D … just noticed krunner shortcut changed from alt+space to super+space … is that intentional?
[14:35] <elknom> Okay here is the screenshot of resolve.conf
[14:35] <elknom> resolve.conf https://imgur.com/gallery/dS6M8RJ
[14:35] <lordievader> Brr resolved
[14:35]  * lordievader runs
[14:36] <lordievader> elknom: If you are using systemd's resolved, your resolv.conf is not pointing to it. So that is never going to work.
[14:37] <BluesKaj> works here
[14:38] <lordievader> Oh, right this defaults to localhost in case of no config.
[15:04] <elknom> Okay I've been through several iterations. Do I need to find the IP of the network router to enter here?
[15:06] <lordievader> elknom: Are you using systemd-resolved? (`systemctl status systemd-resolved`)
[15:10] <elknom> Systems status systemd-resolved https://imgur.com/gallery/xxlCcRd
[15:11] <elknom> It looks like that is what it is trying to use
[15:24] <lordievader> In that case, instead of `nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>`, add `nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>`. Like it says in the comment.
[15:31] <elknom> When I entered it, ping still fails. When I restart, it overwrites the file and removed it. When I run "systemd-resolve --status", I get "unrecognized option --status"
[15:34] <elknom> I'm not sure where to go from here
[15:38] <elknom> <IP_ADDRESS> does respond to ping requests
[15:40] <elknom> I get that resolve.conf becomes an output when you use systemd-resolve, instead of a source file
[15:41] <elknom> But don't understand what the issue with systemd is
[15:43] <elknom> Okay I'm running out of time to resolve this for now. I'm going to have to come back to it later. Thank you for your assistance.
[18:30] <Ilgaz> Are there any instructions to become beta tester?
[18:30] <Ilgaz> I am testing wayland
[18:38] <viewer|81> hi
[18:38] <viewer|81> can someone help me installing nvidia driver
[18:39] <viewer|81> tried all means, couldnt resolve it
[18:42] <viewer|81> hi
[18:55] <Guest90294> Hi,
[18:56] <Guest90294> Got a question regarding efi. I've read in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI that I should mount ( or at least so I understood ) windows efi partition on /boot/efi however the installtion program does not give me any options to alter efi partition.
[19:35] <IrcsomeBot1> clemens_wegener was added by: bauchhaus
[19:40] <Guest78631> Hi,
[19:42] <DaniWeTT> hi!
[19:42] <DaniWeTT> wellcome Guest78631
 @ubottu, I'm confused about the Imgur thing. Telegram supports inline imagery.
 the text you see is replicated from the IRC channel on freenode.  As people are on both.  reason you see hte names as <name> as those are posts from the IRC room.
 Ah, so so the IRC people can post images?
 that what they would use to
 What I don't know is if messages from telegram are duplicated into the irc room.
 looks like they do
 Not sure if this is a bug or just an "issue"  But when you change cursors while they change in general the "total effects" do not stick until you reboot.
 I'll give it a try
 Example.  open dolphin and change your cursor.  in the title bar you will see the new cursor.  But they go into the file section you will see the old cursor.
 @freak_502, Yeah, I can confirm the same behaviour here
 granted after the reboot that is no longer present.
 What about just logging out/back in?
 I would do it right now but I can't end my session 😅
 never tried that
 brb
 yes looks like logging out and back in works as well


[05:49] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:50] <lordievader> Good morning.
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> hie lordievader
[05:50] <lordievader> o/
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> hows the cluster :p
[05:51] <lordievader> Haven't really played with it yet.
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> can you come to irc with that beast?
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> to see whats inside
[05:52] <lordievader> It's just multiple Linux pc's hooked together.
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> would lshw not show all machines content then?
[05:52] <lordievader> No.
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> ah ic
[05:53] <lordievader> http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/Beowulf-HOWTO/
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> whats the 'normal' purpose for this kind of layout?
[05:54] <lordievader> Slave nodes boot an pxe image to make it easy.
[05:54] <lordievader> No idea.
[05:54] <lordievader> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_r3z1jYHAc
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> kind of strong linux network?
[05:55] <lordievader> ?
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> lol what a machine
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beowulf-cluster
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> nvm got it :p
[05:56] <lordievader> Jup, there you go.
[19:01] <ObrienDave> i see the quality of intelligent questions in #server are comparable to #ubuntu LOL


[00:03] <StevenK>          BugSubscriptionFilterInformationType.information_type ==
[00:03] <StevenK>              bug.information_type,
[00:03] <StevenK> -        BugSubscriptionFilterStatus.status == None))
[00:03] <StevenK> +        BugSubscriptionFilterInformationType.information_type == None))
[00:03] <StevenK> wgrant: ^ Spot the error.
[00:04]  * StevenK puts a brown paper bag over his head
[00:06] <wgrant> Heh
[00:12] <wgrant> StevenK: Does that fix everything?
[00:36] <StevenK> wgrant: Yup
[00:36] <wgrant> StevenK: Excellent.
[00:36] <wgrant> StevenK: Is it in devel yet?
[00:37] <StevenK> wgrant: No, I'll be lp-landing it in a few moments.
[00:37] <wgrant> Great.
[00:42] <StevenK> wgrant: r15739
[00:44] <wgrant> Indeed.
[00:56] <StevenK> Hmm,     [action.label for action in bug_edit.view.actions]
[00:56] <StevenK> Is [] rather than ['Change']
[00:58] <wgrant> StevenK: There are some issues with inheritance of actions
[00:58] <wgrant> I don't know details, but I've seen workarounds.
[00:58] <StevenK> I'm waiting for make run so I can poke
[01:00] <StevenK> Hahaha, there is no button
[01:00] <wgrant> bin/run -r librarian -i development
[02:06] <StevenK> wgrant, wallyworld_: https://code.launchpad.net/~stevenk/launchpad/destroy-getusedbugtags/+merge/118024
[02:06] <wgrant> StevenK: Already there
[02:07] <wgrant> +15/-287 is what I like to see
[02:07] <wgrant> StevenK: Why'd you remove the wasRedirected check on line 164 of the diff?
[02:08] <wgrant> It may be legit.
[02:09] <StevenK> The test failed with it in
[02:09] <wgrant> Right, but it probably shouldn't have.
[02:11] <StevenK> Why? That was the screwy redirect back to ourselves if the tags need confirming?
[02:11] <wgrant> That would be a non-redirect
[02:11] <wgrant> The redirect is back to BugTask:+index
[02:12] <wgrant> The form seems to work fine, but that test should probably pass
[02:16] <StevenK>     bug_edit.wasRedirected()
[02:16] <StevenK>     - True
[02:16] <StevenK>     + False
[02:19] <wgrant> StevenK: Oh
[02:19] <wgrant> Look at that block of the test
[02:19] <wgrant> It needs to die
[02:19] <wgrant> And you want to rewrite the prose in that whole section
[02:20] <wgrant> 658-672 of that file can probably just be deleted
[02:20] <wgrant> And the prose before that mentions adding a new tag
[02:20] <wgrant> Which isn't special any more
[02:23] <StevenK> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1126322/
[02:26] <wgrant> StevenK: You have a blank line where there should not be a blank line, but otherwise good
[02:42] <StevenK> wgrant: Any other comments?
[03:02] <lifeless> wallyworld_: / wgrant: bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/971144
[03:02] <_mup_> Bug #971144: Remove direct sharee on sharing audit page should show any remaining team access <disclosure> <sharing> <ui> <Launchpad itself:Won't Fix by wallyworld> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/971144 >
[03:03] <lifeless> it claims there *is* a sharing audit page now, and that it expands teams.
[03:03] <wallyworld_> there was but it was removed ages ago
[03:03] <lifeless> On the call you guys said that there was no such thing.
[03:03] <lifeless> ah, wontfix. I see (I was blind. bah).
[03:03] <lifeless> thanks
[03:03] <wallyworld_> np
[03:05] <wgrant> Well
[03:05] <wgrant> There was a page
[03:05] <wgrant> It was never finished
[03:05] <wgrant> And didn't live for long
[03:15] <wgrant> StevenK: r=me, thanks
[03:45] <StevenK> wgrant: Finally tossed at ec2, thanks
[03:48] <wallyworld_> lifeless: in canonical_url, why do we only allow specifying the rootsite when request is None? In the case where a request comes in from code.lp.net and you want to get a bug url, it is not possible since the result starts with "code.lp..."
[03:50] <lifeless> I don't know
[03:50] <lifeless> I haven't looked at that in a year o rso
[03:50] <lifeless> there should be tests with attached rationale
[03:50] <StevenK> canonical_url() is useful, but horrible
[03:51] <wallyworld_> ok, will poke around
[03:53] <wgrant> wallyworld_: Why're you passing in a request?
[03:53] <wgrant> Oh, to get a webservice base?
[03:53] <wallyworld_> yes
[03:53] <wallyworld_> i want to get self_link for a bug
[03:53] <wgrant> wallyworld_: That's not really what you want to do.
[03:54] <wgrant> wallyworld_: since cross-domain AJAX requests == boom
[03:54] <wgrant> The problem is that you *are* getting a bugs URL
[03:54] <wgrant> You need to not get one
[03:54] <wallyworld_> but i want one
[03:54] <wgrant> You might want one for the web_link
[03:54] <wgrant> But I don't see why you'd want one for self_link
[03:55] <wallyworld_> i need it to pass back to the client
[03:55] <wallyworld_> so the client can invoke an api on the bug
[03:55] <wgrant> The JS client can't use a self_link that's on another domain
[03:56] <wallyworld_> it does now i think
[03:56] <wgrant> Nope
[03:56] <wgrant> Same-origin ensures that it can't
[03:56] <wallyworld_> ah, it passes it in as a param
[03:57] <wallyworld_> so i need the self_link to pass as a param so that lazr restful knows how to unmarhsall it as a bug
[03:58] <wallyworld_> the js client now makes an extrs xhr call to get this info
[03:58] <wgrant> You need to either use the path (eg. '/bugs/1234', or the path prefixed with the webservice root that the method is on
[03:58] <_mup_> Bug #1234: Gina is an unmaintainable mess of command line options, environment variables and shell scripts <lp-foundations> <Launchpad itself:Fix Released by debonzi> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1234 >
[03:58] <wgrant> You can't normally pass a bugs.launchpad.net URL into a method call on code.launchpad.net
[03:59] <wallyworld_> it does now in some form, i'll check exactly what is passed
[04:02] <wallyworld_> huh, so atm we issue a GET to http://code.lp.net/api/devel/bugs/1235
[04:02] <_mup_> Bug #1235: When batch_start is >= the number of bugs shown, an error is raised <lp-foundations> <oops> <Launchpad itself:Fix Released by spiv> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1235 >
[04:02] <wallyworld_> and the result has all the api links starting with code.
[04:03] <wgrant> Right.
[04:03] <wallyworld_> which seems wrong but anyway
[04:03] <wgrant> Domain doesn't matter in terms of API interpretation
[04:03] <wgrant> It only exists on the webapp subdomains to work around same-origin
[04:03] <wgrant> s/It/The API/
[04:03] <wallyworld_> ok
[04:04] <wgrant> Yes, it is hideous, that's why I one-domainified LP in November :)
[04:05] <wallyworld_> so what happened to stop deploying it?
[04:06] <wgrant> Probably a combination of politics, leave, and teams being reassigned elsewhere.
[04:07] <wallyworld_> that's a shame
[04:07] <lifeless> wgrant: was it ready to action ?
[04:08] <wgrant> lifeless: There's one minor remaining technical issue: Product:+code-index is subtly different from Product:+branches in ways that confuse users and prevent trivially merging of them
[04:08] <wgrant> Everything else was ready to land.
[04:22] <lifeless> stub: hi, skype ?
[04:22] <stub> lifeless: sure
[04:22] <stub> its firing up, finding my mike
[04:48] <lifeless>  I want to be like mike
[07:47] <adeuring> good morning
[08:58] <lifeless> wgrant: https://launchpad.net/anonymiseip
[09:00] <wgrant> lifeless: brb, rainbow table
[09:00] <lifeless> wgrant: acknowledged in the README
[09:01] <lifeless> wgrant: you don't need one, its only 32 bits.
[09:01] <wgrant> Ah, in the middle of a 12 line paragraph
[09:02] <wgrant> lifeless: Meh, still more efficient if I want to steal all your users' IPs
[09:02] <lifeless> well yeah.
[09:02] <lifeless> So, if when we get ipv6, will need a deeper algorithm. But at that point it might actually be worth it.
[09:02] <lifeless> 32 bit, anything deterministic is brute forcable if you can get a chosen plaintext through it.
[09:02] <lifeless> E.g. hit a bad url from your own ip
[09:04] <wgrant> Hmm? A salt would work fine unless you want to bruteforce via the webservice.
[09:06] <lifeless> you toss your chosen plaintext in and grab back the anonymised log entry matching the chosen URL
[09:06] <lifeless> that gives you the salted output for your ip
[09:06] <wgrant> How does that help you?
[09:06] <wgrant> It's salted.
[09:07] <lifeless> bruteforce that - only 16 million to check
[09:07] <wgrant> That's a pretty shitty salt
[09:07] <lifeless> huh, its the output modulus that matters
[09:07] <lifeless> doesn't matter how big the salt
[09:08] <lifeless> if its going through a fairly flat function like w.g. sha1, then the bit reduction means you're not going to be far off of 2^32 before you find a hit
[09:11] <wgrant> I'm still not seeing the attack that you describe.
[09:11] <wgrant> But food calls.
[10:07] <cjwatson> lifeless: I'd appreciate a more detailed pointer regarding https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/archive-getallpermissions/+merge/117606, if you have time - in particular, I'm not sure where/if invisible teams are magically filtered out of the returned collection right now
[10:07] <cjwatson> It seems most sensible to push it down into the query; but it is odd that Person._teamPrivacyQuery is a private method (well, insofar as Python has those), since that looks like the ideal thing to call
[11:13] <cjwatson> Could somebody allocate me a DB patch number for the new job table at the end of bug 745799, if they think it's reasonable in principle?  A summary could just be "Create ProcessAcceptedBugsJob table."
[11:13] <_mup_> Bug #745799: DistroSeries:+queue Timeout accepting packages (bug structural subscriptions) <timeout> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/745799 >
[12:11] <bac> hi frankban
[12:53] <czajkowski> jml: did you get my reply to the list
[12:54] <czajkowski> mails from me seem to be taking forever and a day to go to lists :/
[12:54] <jml> czajkowski: yep
[12:54] <jml> czajkowski: wait... you replied directly to me
[12:54] <jml> czajkowski: as well as to the list
[12:54] <czajkowski> I replied to the list
[12:54] <czajkowski> not to you I always reply to lists
[12:55] <jml> oh quite right.
[12:55] <jml> then yes, I got it.
[12:55]  * jml is so used to Reply To All
[12:55] <czajkowski> any reason you were wondering :)
[13:03] <jml> czajkowski: yes, actually
[13:04] <jml> czajkowski: james_w overheard on #launchpad-ops that there's downtime scheduled for Aug 17. I was wondering whether that was a further rescheduling of the cocoplum downtime that happened yesterday
[13:05] <czajkowski> different..
[13:05] <jml> czajkowski: yeah, so I gather.
[13:06] <jml> czajkowski: other, less vigilant stakeholders would probably appreciate an email to the list about it.
[13:06] <wgrant> I imagine everyone will be getting details about it soon
[13:06] <czajkowski> jml: I'm sure we will when they are ready
[13:06] <wgrant> We don't know specifics yet
[13:07] <jml> wgrant, czajkowski: glad to hear it. thanks.
[13:47] <rick_h_> jcsackett: morning, off the stand up so ping when you're ready to chat.
[13:53] <jcsackett> rick_h_: ping.
[13:53] <rick_h_> jcsackett: pong
[13:54] <jcsackett> rick_h_: g+?
[13:54] <rick_h_> jcsackett: yea, starting one up now
[15:38] <jcsackett> bac: could you look at https://code.launchpad.net/~jcsackett/launchpad/info-type-from-main-host/+merge/118128
[15:40] <bac> jcsackett: done
[15:42] <jcsackett> thanks, bac.
[15:43] <bac> jcsackett: hope it wasn't too verbose
[15:43] <jcsackett> bac: just right.
[19:55] <jcsackett> rick_h_: ping me when you're available to chat. i'm free now.
[19:59] <rick_h_> jcsackett: awesome, I'll set it up


[06:52] <Babloyi> still no upgrade pushed for 16.04 to 18.04? :(
[10:22] <cavac> Stupid question: Any idea when do-release-upgrade from 16.04 LTS to 18.04 LTS is going live?
[10:24] <Babloyi> ^ me also :D
[10:24] <Babloyi> no timeline on it, cavac :D
[10:26] <cavac> Ok. Just need a rough idea, because i have to start planning when to upgrade my desktops and my private servers (servers also run Xubuntu because it makes testing easier when all servers and clients run exactly the same OS/dristribution).
[10:32] <Babloyi> it is available right now
[10:32] <Babloyi> just the upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04 is not
[10:39] <cavac> Yeah, but i want the direct 16.04 to 18.04 upgrade. I *never* run non-LTS versions (even temporary) on my systems.
[10:40] <cavac> But i'm patient, i'll wait till the direct path becomes available.
[10:43] <bazhang> has the point upgrade not come out yet?
[10:43] <bazhang> 18.04.1
[10:43] <knome> it has
[10:43] <knome> afaik..
[10:43] <bazhang> then that should be clear
[10:45] <cavac> Yeah, but do-release-upgrade still says "no new release found"
[10:49] <Babloyi> yeah, that bit hasn't been done yet :D
[10:50] <knome> fwiw, there is no specific xubuntu involvement in that, so once ubuntu desktop is able to upgrade, xubuntu (and other flavors) are as well
[10:52] <Babloyi> but ubuntu 18.04.1 has been out a couple days longer than xubuntu even :D
[11:04] <cavac> Thanks everyone for the info!
[11:05] <cavac> I'm heading into the weekend. There's a cold girl and a hot beer waiting.
[11:06] <Babloyi> and likely no xubuntu upgrade, cavac
[11:17] <Spass> my xorg just crashed after failed return from suspend, it happened before couple days ago, probably nvidia related :/
[11:37] <noumenon> sux0r
[13:11] <flocculant> Babloyi cavac - re 18.04.1 - there is an upgrader bug which has stopped it being let out - when http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-lts shows bionic - then you will see it, bug 1766890 also
[13:11] <flocculant> bazhang: ^^
[13:12] <Babloyi> when is that?
[13:12] <flocculant> when is what?
[13:12] <Babloyi> when will that show bionic? :D
[13:13] <flocculant> when the bug is fix released I would say ;)
[13:13] <Babloyi> well, get to it, flocc :D
[13:13] <flocculant> hah
[13:40] <Babloyi> ugh...why is it so hard to find a good epub reader? Every one has some stupid problem
[13:41] <Babloyi> Calibre is a bit too big of a thing for just reading ebooks, Coolreader displays most of my books badly, Fbreader is nice, except I don't want to scroll line by line, I want to scroll page by page, and I see no instructions how to.
[14:00] <appa> It does seem like a simple thing, but I think few people want to read books from a computer
[17:35] <craigbass76> Anyone on 18.04 using dropbox? It's synching for me, but I think it's grabbing everything, and I can't get the GUI open to selectively sync
[17:35] <craigbass76> I installed Nautilus
[17:38] <dreamon> hello. I cannot record sound (micro inside noteboot) if I choose duplex in pavucontrol. using audio input I can record. but cannot play any audio. so have to use output to play. how can I get duplex zu work?
[17:39] <GridCube> the last tab of pavucontrol usually has several profiles for sound settings, like hdmi+7.1 or stuff like that, have you tested if a different profile setting is more useful to you?
[17:40] <GridCube> also have you checked on the hardware settings on your keyboard if you haven't muted the mike?
[18:06] <bgsofia97> Hello. I have a little problem with Netbeans on Xubuntu. For some reason the key combinations for code formatting (actually all key combinations) don't work. Everything is fine on Linux Mint and Ubuntu. Does anyone have an idea how to fix it?
[19:12] <craigbass76> I didn't miss a dropbox answer, did I.
[19:13] <craigbass76> Weird that an XFCE flavored Fedora wouldn't have trouble, but Xubuntu is, making the dropbox GUI app work.