[00:13] <LetsGo67> I got banned for saying a joke everyone.
[00:13] <Jack_Sparrow> After he was warned
[00:13] <LetsGo67> They mute me.
[00:14] <LetsGo67> He didn't say "don't say jokes".
[00:14] <LetsGo67> Did he?
[00:14] <Seeker`> LetsGo67: what joke was this?
[00:14] <LetsGo67> Read the logs, guys.  L)
[00:14] <stdin> he asked you to stop, you didn't
[00:14] <Jack_Sparrow> I should not need to say no jokes.. after the spanish upon entry
[00:14] <LetsGo67> Seeker` funeral joke
[00:14] <LetsGo67> "When was ubotu's funerals?", to be precise.
[00:15] <LetsGo67> Because they removed ubotu and changed him for ubottu
[00:15] <stdin> after repeatedly doing things like "<LetsGo67> WhAt HaPpEnNeD tO uBoTu?" you're surprised you were muted??
[00:15] <LetsGo67> I request an unban, I do not plan to off-topic again.
[00:16] <LetsGo67> stdin: is there a "no funky writing" rule?
[00:16] <LetsGo67> One I sent to a certain user, the other was for the channel.
[00:16] <LetsGo67> That explains?
[00:16] <stdin> there's a "Don't be annoying" rule, yes
[00:17] <LetsGo67> After getting the "es" warning, I stopped speaking foreign languages.
[00:17] <Jack_Sparrow> and the offtopic rule
[00:17] <Jack_Sparrow> You have obviously done the es before based upon your response
[00:17] <LetsGo67> I didn't consider that annoying, I sent it to two people, and ubotu/ubottu is not offtopic?
[00:18] <LetsGo67> Yeah, then I stopped.
[00:18] <LetsGo67> !abiword
[00:18] <stdin> questions about ubotu/ubottu are offtopic in #ubuntu
[00:18] <LetsGo67> Didn't know, sorry.
[00:19] <LetsGo67> So how long does the mute last?
[00:19]  * LetsGo67 has just sent a nudge!
[00:19] <stdin> up to the op who muted you ;)
[00:19] <LetsGo67> Jack_Sparrow?
[00:20] <Jack_Sparrow> HAve you ever read the coc?
[00:20] <LetsGo67> No.....
[00:20] <Jack_Sparrow> While you read it, I will unmute you fair enough
[00:20] <Jack_Sparrow> !coc
[00:21] <LetsGo67> Can I just read the bold print?
[00:22] <Jack_Sparrow> It isnt that long and it is important for people to understand how things work and what we expect and what can be expected from us
[00:23] <stdin> and make sure you're familiar with the guidelines too: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[00:24] <stdin> as you will be held to them even if you haven't read it
[00:24] <LetsGo67> I have 'em on my firefox sidebar.
[00:24] <LetsGo67> "If you use away messages, you may get kicked without warning."  Why?
[00:25] <stdin> because they are annoying and spammy
[00:25] <mneptok> because they are unnecessary and do not scale.
[00:25] <LetsGo67> My away message is "Away" is that okay?
[00:25] <mneptok> not if it's sent to the channel
[00:25] <LetsGo67> No clue.
[00:25] <stdin> using /away <reason> is ok
[00:25] <mneptok> setting /away is fine. announcing /away is not.
[00:26] <stdin> sending a message to the channel saying "I'm away for <reason>" is not
[00:28] <LetsGo67> Read IRC Guidelines but not COC, but g2g, ttyl.
[00:37] <genii> Hi, I just have a brief recommendation for the !sudo factiod, in that it should warn against using it with gui apps.
[00:37] <genii> bah, typo   factiod->factoid
[00:39] <Jack_Sparrow> genii There is a way to type the factoid change you would like to see and it is quite easy
[00:39] <Jack_Sparrow> I just dont rember it atm
[00:39] <stdin> genii: ie: suggest the change ;) !sudo is ...blah...
[00:40] <Jack_Sparrow> nks
[00:40] <Jack_Sparrow> thans
[00:40] <Jack_Sparrow> ahhhhh forget it

[00:42] <stdin> I'll give you coffee if it's a good one :)
[00:42] <genii> !sudo is a command to run command-line programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information. For graphical applications in Gnome, see !gksudo instead.
[00:42] <genii> Minor modification to the original is all
[00:45] <stdin> genii, how about: "sudo is a command to run command-line programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information. For graphical applications see !gksu (Gnome), or !kdesu (KDE)"  ?
[00:45]  * stdin wants some kde love in there too ;)
[00:45] <genii> stdin: I thought about adding that too actually, good add
[00:46] <stdin> !sudo
[00:47] <genii> stdin: Nice. Just that so many ppl get recommended to !sudo then run their gui apps with ti tthen wonder why things don't work. When it's really not their fault since they're just following direction.
[00:48] <genii> stdin: So where's my coffee? ;)
[00:48] <Jack_Sparrow> That will save me from triggering !gksudo after sudo.. good one..
[00:48]  * stdin sends coffee genii's way, free of charge
[00:49] <genii> Yay!
[04:21] <Hobbsee> mneptok: ah ha!  you do exist!
[04:21] <Hobbsee> do you still exist now though?
[04:22] <mneptok> nope!
[04:23] <mneptok> Hobbsee: 'sup? i'm about to head home from the office.
[04:23] <Hobbsee> mneptok: see /query
[06:03] <Myrtti> morron
[06:24] <Myrtti> ok
[06:24] <nickrud> talking to yourself ?
[06:24] <Myrtti> we might be having a small problem with our #ubuntu -users who use mirc.
[06:25] <nickrud> not sure he was telling the truth to you
[06:25]  * elky_work notes something about s/#ubuntu//
[06:25] <nickrud> didn't even try to dispute it
[06:25] <nickrud> unless it was in pm, that is
[06:26] <Myrtti> elky_work: mirc per se is a good client, except that its shareware and only for Windows.
[06:26] <Myrtti> elky_work: featurewise it's good.
[06:26] <elky_work> securitywise it's not
[06:27] <Myrtti> and that's the problem
[06:27] <elky_work> that's the key to my gripe
[06:27] <elky_work> it makes it less-than-good imho
[06:28] <Myrtti> I never had problems with it, because I didn't use it for sharing files, I used scripts that were acknowledged to be clean etc.
[06:28] <Myrtti> this is one of the cases of common sense and PEBKAC
[06:29] <Myrtti> anyway
[06:29] <Myrtti> he's now banforwarded here
[06:29] <Myrtti> what I did notice, however
[06:30] <Myrtti> is that looking at the idents of these said "autopm on join" fellows seem somehow identical.
[06:30] <Myrtti> @btlogin
[06:30] <Myrtti> bot is btw lagging a bit
[07:13] <sajes> It's nothing real serious, but a bunch of people are spamming and abusing ubottu in #ubuntu-offtopic.
[07:13] <sajes> And using profanity. >_>
[07:13] <sajes> Also, now with all caps.
[07:16] <sajes> And racism. I guess this is where it becomes a rather serious abuse.
[07:17] <bazhang> thanks sajes
[07:18] <sajes> bazhang: Thanks for taking care of it. :p
[07:18] <sajes> Looks like it's back.
[07:19] <Hobbsee> interesting.
[07:19] <sajes> Yeah, first time I've seen something like that in there. >_<
[07:23] <simi> 2hi all, i just want to report a bot on the #kubuntu chanell named House_Blend_Pete, can it be removed and bamed?
[07:23] <Hobbsee> !staff | on join spam
[07:23] <simi> it sends some comercials to me as soon i entered
[07:23] <Myrtti> simi: if you've got such problems, don't be afraid to holler !ops
[07:23] <Myrtti> it doesn't bite
[07:24] <Hobbsee> it just flooded itself off, ti seems.
[07:24] <simi> can/t be bamed?
[07:25] <Hobbsee> simi: done, but i'd prefer to see it thrown off the entire netowrk
[07:27] <simi> Hobbsee: what ca we do to throw it oof from the network?
[07:27] <Hobbsee> simi: poke the staff, and wait
[07:28] <Hobbsee> of course, no one's actually here from the staff again
[07:28]  * Hobbsee pokes tomaw
[08:19] <Myrtti> /me huggles mneptok
[08:36]  * jussi01 walks in
[08:47] <Myrtti> omnomnom
[08:49] <jussi01> Myrtti: ?
[08:56] <Myrtti> did the dishes and finally managed to get breakfast
[08:56] <Myrtti> life is good.
[09:32] <gnomefreak> Seeker`: is mootbot still around and does it do minutes for meetings? Also can you join #ubuntu-mozillateam because asac might have other questions about it one being ho to use it :)
[09:50] <Jucato> Question: what does ChanServ or ubottu use to properly identify an op? I might be adding a new IRC cloak, so I'm wondering it's cloak-based and if there's something I need to retain for ChanServ and ubottu to recognize me
[10:14] <PriceChild> Jucato: chanserv 'should' do it by account (ie identified to nickserv) ubottu will need poking by jussi01 as it does it by hostname
[10:15] <jussi01> Im here
[10:15] <jussi01> hi PriceChild
[10:15] <Jucato> ah ok. thanks
[10:15] <Jucato> well not yet today. :)
[11:26] <Myrtti> what calendar should I be subscribing to to get information about all the relevant meetings?
[11:26] <Mez> @schedule
[11:26] <Mez> ah, doesnt tell you there
[11:27] <Myrtti> I think I've got the fridge calendar already
[11:27] <Mez> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event/ical/all/all
[11:27] <Myrtti> but it doesn't show emea at all
[11:27] <Myrtti> for instance
[11:27] <Mez> emma?
[11:27] <Myrtti> emea
[11:27] <Myrtti> europe, middle east, africa
[11:27] <Myrtti> nor oceasia for that matter
[11:28] <Myrtti> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event/ical
[11:55] <Myrtti> has anyone gotten that to work with google calendar?
[12:17] <elkbuntu> ugh. someone is acting weird again
[12:17] <bazhang> in #ubuntu?
[12:18] <elkbuntu> no, somenoe in #ubuntu-artwork
[12:18] <elkbuntu> who is also in #ubuntu-meeting and would so know im otherwise occupied and cant partake in private convos initiated in random ubuntu channels
[12:19] <elkbuntu> she's not speaking there though
[12:19] <elkbuntu> but she's there
[12:19] <bazhang> heh
[12:50] <Seeker`> nalioth: ping (about Mootbot)
[13:30] <Myrtti> jussi01: pong
[14:16] <liassist> hello, i wanted to know if i can use a client side bot to answer peoples questions
[14:16] <Myrtti> on which channels?
[14:16] <Myrtti> what kind of a bot?
[14:18] <liassist> a bot that simply answers most common questions
[14:19] <Myrtti> on which channels?
[14:19] <liassist> #ubuntu #suse mostly linux channels
[14:19] <jussi01> not for #ubuntu - we have ubottu
[14:20] <liassist> ok for other cahnnels
[14:20] <jussi01> liassist: for #suse you need to ask their ops
[14:21] <jussi01> liassist: All ubuntu channels use ubottu or a clone
[14:21] <jussi01> liassist: are you familiar with ubottu
[14:21] <jussi01> ?
[14:21] <liassist> well, ubottu dosent have some things
[14:21] <Myrtti> such as?
[14:22] <jussi01> liassist: we can add things to ubottu - you can suggest them by pm to ubottu
[14:22] <liassist> virus answers , hardware and networking but mainly i wont use it on ubuntu
[14:23] <jussi01> I think !virus explains the ubuntu situation well
[14:23] <jussi01> !virus
[14:24] <liassist> i wodnt be using it mainly on ubuntu but channels which have no bot support
[14:24] <jussi01> !hardware
[14:24] <ikonia> anyone else getting sex chat from suskun27 in pm
[14:24] <Seeker`> ikonia: nope
[14:24] <jussi01> ikonia: not me
[14:24] <Pici> ikonia: I havent gotten anything
[14:24] <ikonia> clearly I am special
[14:24] <Seeker`> ikonia: lucky you
[14:24] <ikonia> he's in ubuntu and very keen to meet girls for "sexy talk"
[14:25] <ikonia> just come back to my desk
[14:25] <jussi01> liassist: if its an #*ubuntu* channel then they are usually allowed to have ubottu or a clone - anything else is not under our control
[14:25] <liassist> it will be under your control
[14:26] <liassist> you will have ops on it
[14:26] <jussi01> liassist: Im talking channels - if you want to put it in #suse #linux or wherever, you need to ask those channels ops
[14:26] <Seeker`> liassist: The point is that we already have ubottu for that in #ubuntu channels
[14:27] <liassist> ok, thankyou
[14:27] <jussi01> well then...
[14:27] <ikonia> he was in hear yesterday asking for ops
[14:27] <jussi01> really?
[14:27] <ikonia> yes saying he had been in #ubuntu for 2 years
[14:27] <ikonia> elkbuntu: busted him his nick was 2 weeks old
[14:28] <ikonia> I appriciate he may have only just decided to register it
[14:28] <Seeker`> I've been on freenode for > 18 months now \o/
[14:30] <jussi01> hrm, Ive been on freenode since... ummm 11/06 roughly
[14:30] <Myrtti> /me yawns
[14:30] <Myrtti> Registered : Dec 14 09:59:31 2004
[14:31] <Pici> Jan 30 12:38:33 2007
[14:31] <Pici> \o/
[14:31] <Pici> I have a 5 digit slashdot id though.
[14:31] <Seeker`>  Nov 20 23:44:23 2006
[14:32] <pleia2> Feb 26 01:51:16 2002
[14:32] <pleia2> I win
[14:32] <pleia2> :P
[14:32] <Myrtti> pleia2: pft. :-P
[14:32] <jussi01> someone remind me on how to get that info again?
[14:32] <Seeker`> I have a 6 digit slashdot id
[14:32] <pleia2> jussi01: /msg nickserv info jussi01
[14:32] <jussi01> pleia2: thanks
[14:32]  * jussi01 was msging chanserv and wondering why it didnt work :P
[14:33] <pleia2> hehe
[14:33] <jussi01> [16:33:05] [NickServ] Registered : Dec 13 17:16:22 2006 (1 year, 25 weeks, 4 days, 20:16:42 ago)
[14:34]  * Pici is a young'n
[14:34] <Myrtti> fresh meat
[14:34] <Myrtti> *chomp*
[14:34] <jussi01> :D
[14:34] <Pici> :O
[14:34] <Myrtti> I feel old again...
[14:34] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[14:34] <Myrtti> :-D
[14:35] <ikonia> ughh, I'm 2004 under my current nick
[14:35] <ikonia> ah, my old one was only another 1.5 years old
[14:35] <ikonia> so roughly early 2003, late 2002
[14:36] <ikonia> but thats only when you reigstered your nick I assume
[14:36] <ikonia> rather than when your nick was first seen
[14:36] <Pici> Right
[14:56]  * Hobbsee has been on irc for too long.
[15:15] <Seeker`> Hobbsee: By definition, if you are on IRC you have been on it for too long :P
[15:17] <Hobbsee> Seeker`: hah
[15:33] <Myrtti> oh, on irc?
[15:33] <Myrtti> <-- 12 years and going strong
[15:37] <nickrud> irc wasn't even on my radar until I tried ubuntu, although I spend a lot of time on bbs's in the 80
[15:37] <nickrud> 's
[15:38] <nickrud> morning jack
[15:40] <jussi01> Myrtti: around? new photos if you are interested :D http://lifematta.com/jussi01/photos/
[15:40] <Myrtti> cuuuuuute nose
[15:42] <Myrtti> I want a polar bear.
[15:42] <Myrtti> or a dog.
[15:42] <Myrtti> polar bear would be nicer though :->
[15:44] <jussi01> hahahah
[15:44] <jussi01> *chomp* no more Myrtti
[15:45] <Myrtti> but it would keep my toes warm.
[15:46] <jussi01> ahh, you mean you want a polar bear skin for your floor... I see :P
[15:57] <Pici> Jack_Sparrow: I dont know if you took care of him, but donald_duck AKA potty was looking for you yesterday.
[15:58] <Jack_Sparrow> I took care of him by banning him yes..
[15:58] <Jack_Sparrow> John...
[15:58] <Pici> Same guy as __john ?
[15:59] <Jack_Sparrow> He joined, dumped a bunch into channel and left thinking we could not figure out how to ban him
[15:59] <Jack_Sparrow> I get that feeling yes..
[16:00] <Jack_Sparrow> There are a lot of johns in the world..  I could be wrong..
[16:01] <Jack_Sparrow> It would be in the log yesterday morning 8 -9 ish Pacific time...
[16:01] <Pici> I couldnt figure out why he was banned in the bantracker logs.
[16:02] <Jack_Sparrow> Let me find it
[16:02] <ikonia> 11:20 -!- Irssi: Starting query in freenode with john__
[16:02] <ikonia> 11:20 <john__> HEY MATT
[16:02] <ikonia> 11:20 -!- john__<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:02] <ikonia> 11:20 -!-  ircname  : John
[16:02] <ikonia> 11:20 -!-  channels : #xubuntu
[16:02] <ikonia> 11:20 -!-  server   : irc.freenode.net [http://freenode.net/]
[16:02] <ikonia> 11:20 -!- End of WHOIS
[16:02] <ikonia> 11:20 <john__> iu have one question
[16:02] <ikonia> 11:20 <john__> just answer it okay?
[16:02] <ikonia> kkI got that off him the other day
[16:02] <ikonia> I ignored it
[16:02] <ikonia> he's cleaerly a genuis as he whois'd me to get my real now
[16:02] <ikonia> I'm scared
[16:02] <jussi01> This is what the add comments in the BT are for -Please use it people!
[16:02] <Myrtti> /me gives jussi01 a lollipop
[16:03] <Myrtti> sucker.
[16:03] <Myrtti> :-P
[16:04] <Myrtti> oh great. Now the splittage starts again?
[16:04] <Jack_Sparrow> Yesterdays logs starting 15:10
[16:04] <Pici> Jack_Sparrow: I just wanted to let you know
[16:06] <Jack_Sparrow> Thanks.. he has been nothing but disruptive in all channels
[16:10] <stdin> oh, Jucato, ubottu should recognise you even if you change your cloak. as long as use keep the same nick
[16:11] <Jucato> stdin: oh thanks
[16:12] <stdin> if not then I'll just have to invent a new way for identifying :s
[16:12] <Myrtti> LOOOOLLL sKy\<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:12] <jussi01> heheh
[16:13] <Pici> heh
[16:13] <Hobbsee> SportChick: pong
[16:19] <SportChick> Hobbsee: got it taken care of - thanks though :)
[16:19] <Hobbsee> SportChick: ah
[16:27] <Jack_Sparrow> Can someone tell me the offest for time in the logs based on US PAcific time...  + 8 ?  So 9am US Pac Time would be ?
[16:32] <stdin> offset from what?
[16:34] <Jack_Sparrow> My 9am isnt 9am in the irc logs...
[16:35] <stdin> which logs, the bantracker or irclogs.u.c ?
[16:35] <Jack_Sparrow> irclogs
[16:36] <Jack_Sparrow> I want to verify the ban on potty/ john is still in place and be able to show why
[16:37] <stdin> looks like they are in UTC+1
[16:38] <Jack_Sparrow> He joined, pottied all over us and left...  Just trying to find the log of it
[16:41] <Pici> heh
[16:42] <Pici> I remember you muting him before he changed his name.
[16:42] <Pici> Then I unmuted after he changed it to something suitable
[16:43] <Jack_Sparrow> It was later.. thanthat..  HE changed it to potty then compressor   but left, came back dumped and tried to run..  I hope someone didnt lift that ban because they could not find it in the logs
[16:44] <Pici><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:45] <stdin> irclogs doesn't show joins/parts though, only nick changes
[16:46] <Jack_Sparrow> Pici Thanks...
[16:51] <Jack_Sparrow> irclogs are my current time + 8   That will help
[18:47] <Myrtti> ok, so the EMEA meeting is starting apparentlyl
[18:47] <Myrtti> @schedule
[18:47] <Myrtti> and it's not on any calendar.
[18:47] <Myrtti> GREAT.
[18:49] <Myrtti> 17:47 ::: Sexygurl (Sexygurl<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu
[18:49] <Myrtti> mmmgh
[18:49] <pleia2> it's Hobbsee!
[18:49]  * pleia2 runs, hides
[19:07] <Pici> hrm
[19:07] <Pici> my alias broked
[19:35] <mactaylor> is sparrow here
[19:37] <Pici> yes?
[19:39] <Myrtti> EEEYYYGGHHH Finnish Facebook
[19:43] <ompaul> !test
[19:44] <ompaul> hmm
[19:51] <Myrtti> jussi01: töks
[19:51] <Pici> takk
[19:51] <jussi01> huh?
[19:53] <PriceChild> What's been going on here then?
[19:56] <jussi01> PriceChild: nothing...
[19:56]  * jussi01 looks around and whistles
[19:56] <Myrtti> nothing much really
[19:56] <PriceChild> good :)
[19:56] <PriceChild> well, ok
[19:57] <jussi01> Myrtti: where can I get food at this time of night?
[19:57] <Myrtti> ABC
[19:57] <PriceChild> jussi01: you're not claiming to be an aussie again are you?
[19:57] <jussi01> PriceChild: I am an aussie....
[19:57] <Myrtti> he is.
[19:57] <jussi01> @lart PriceChild
[19:57]  * ubottu decapitates PriceChild conan the destroyer style
[19:57] <PriceChild> yeah right
[19:58] <jussi01> Myrtti: knows, she has met me...
[19:58] <Myrtti> he even walks like one, or like what I would expect a laidback aussie to walk like.
[19:58] <PriceChild> a likely story
[19:58] <jussi01> LOL
[19:58] <PriceChild> haha
[19:58] <jussi01> PriceChild: skype me a you will see
[19:58] <Myrtti> and for crying out loud, I even thought with an aussie accent for the evening after I met him
[19:59] <jussi01> hehheheheh
[19:59] <Myrtti> and *that* was scary
[19:59] <PriceChild> Myrtti: :D
[19:59] <PriceChild> impressionable, or enjoying taking the mick... 8-)
[20:01] <ompaul> someone tell me what that smiley was that steph_ just used at me in #ubuntu please
[20:01]  * ompaul is lacking smiley dictionary
[20:01] <Pici> PriceChild: A few people were looking for cloaks earlier in -irc.
[20:01] <Pici> We told them to get lost.
[20:02] <Pici> Also, long meetings make me cranky
[20:02] <ompaul> Pici, but they were on the interweb on computers they could google their way to finding where they were
[20:02] <Myrtti> and I was in the emea meeting and reminded everyone that the cloaks should be asked at -irc
[20:02] <Myrtti> and Seveas didn't know X-)
[20:02] <Pici> :o
[20:02] <Myrtti> I lol'd
[20:02] <Pici> Oh, I'm supposed to bug Seveas about ubotu
[20:03] <PriceChild> I have no hands left *painfully alts to -irc to catch up on cloak requests*
[20:03] <PriceChild> Pici: who asked you to do that?
[20:03] <Pici> PriceChild: I did?
[20:03] <PriceChild> Pici: bugging about what?
[20:03] <PriceChild> ah cool :D
[20:03] <Pici> PriceChild: He made an odd comment at my emea thing
[20:06] <PriceChild> hmm?
[20:08] <Seeker`> BBQ ftw!
[20:09] <ompaul> the numbers 1 + other numbers incremented above that by two, however they were only issued in the sequence of these numbers that were incremented - this is called most odd
[20:20] <Pici`> When we were talking about Ubotu, he said that he might have some good news about it
[20:28] <jussi01> Myrtti: ping
[20:28] <Myrtti> hum
[20:28] <jussi01> Myrtti: please tell me how to install this thing...
[20:28] <jussi01> (tv)
[20:29] <Myrtti> put the firmware to umm...
[20:35] <Myrtti> I honestly would forget where I left my head if it weren't attached to my torso
[20:38] <ompaul> Myrtti, I think however such a forgetting would be a little permanent
[20:38] <jussi01> !tv
[20:38] <ompaul> mneptok, happy Tuesday kind of thing
[20:40] <mneptok> arr.
[20:40] <ompaul> mneptok, you been to dentist?
[20:40] <ompaul> hehe
[20:40] <mneptok> http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/story.html?id=2fbdcbd5-3d08-4b57-bfce-daa3f382ba18
[20:41] <mneptok> IT'S A TWISTER!
[20:41] <ompaul> ahh
[20:41] <ompaul> Environment Canada is calling for mostly sunny weather and a high of 24 C Wednesday, Thursday and Friday.  <<< now that is a confident organisation
[20:41] <ompaul> ;-)
[20:42] <mneptok> nono, they're *calling for* it.
[20:42] <ompaul> mneptok, like the weather will listen
[20:42] <ompaul> hehe
[20:42] <mneptok> apparently slect clergy and goats are involved.
[20:42] <mneptok> *select
[20:42] <ompaul> mneptok, sql clergy?
[20:43] <ompaul> woops this could get out of hand we should leave it alone ;-)
[20:44] <ompaul> mneptok, however we had something like that here a couple of years ago and they called it a  Squall
[20:45] <ompaul> mneptok, but it happened on the north side of dublin - so it might just have been two blokes having a fight ;-)
[20:45] <ompaul> however they (the weather people) denied it and claimed it was a weather event
[20:45] <mneptok> "high winds throught the afternoon, changing to blood and cheering"
[20:45] <ompaul> hahaha
[20:46] <ompaul> there will be floods of guinness and cider
[20:48] <ompaul> mneptok, met a guy in a hotel this evening and thanked him for years of great entertainment:  http://brushshiels.com/
[20:49] <Myrtti> cider? where's cider?
[20:50] <ompaul> Myrtti, in dublin pubs
[20:50] <ompaul> and hotels
[20:50] <Myrtti> damn.
[20:51] <ompaul> mneptok, he used to take well known songs and replace the lyrics in a comedy fashion brilliant fun stuff never too serious
[20:51] <ompaul> you don't bring me coddle any more ... you've lost that oven feeling  and such wit
[21:24] <Myrtti> /me rolls her eyes at #xubuntu
[21:33] <ompaul> battlesaq had a photo where fun was made of debian users and gays in one go - I evaluated that and took it as being against the Code of Conduct, it was not even funny, so they should have known better
[21:33] <ompaul> ergo they are no longer in #ubuntu
[21:34] <ompaul> sorry I used the phrase where fun
[21:34] <ompaul> in fact I should have said where jibes where made
[21:34] <ompaul> but anyeay
[21:34] <nickrud> didn't take the time to look, sorry
[21:36] <ompaul> nickrud, np
[21:36] <ompaul> I did
[21:39] <nickrud> so I saw :)
[22:14] <ompaul> night all


[00:14] <Howie69> bleh
[00:14] <Howie69> still looking for a apache2 channel to ask a question...
[00:14] <Howie69> But, since it's on an Ubuntu server, I guess I can ask here..
[00:14] <Howie69> I know it's something simple I'm overlooking...
[00:15] <Howie69> I have userdir module enabled and configured... and when I test it, I get 403 error...
[00:15] <Howie69> The dir and file is 755
[00:15] <RoyK> #httpd
[00:15] <Howie69> ahhh
[00:16] <Howie69> I bet I'm going to feel real dumb when I get the answer...
[00:21] <Howie69> ...and I do, but it's not my fault they changed the deny order :)
[00:28] <sarnold> rofl
[00:28] <sarnold> Howie69: was that seriously it?
[00:28] <Howie69> sarnold: And a few other changes from 2.2 to 2.4
[00:29] <Howie69> The last time I configured an apache2 server it was 2.2.  Thy renamed some modules, moved some configs, things like that
[02:30] <Tuna-Fish> Hi, how can I make the screen go to sleep after a while on a ubuntu server 18.04? Google only finds how to make it not do so on earlier ones.
[02:32] <genii> Does it only have one monitor?
[02:33] <Tuna-Fish> yes
[02:36] <genii> For permanent, add something like consoleblank=1 60           to the kernel options of /etc/default/grub file and sudo update-grub    ... in this example, monitor will turn off after 60 seconds if no activity
[02:38] <genii> So find a line in there like GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="something something"     and add a space after the last thing, and put consoleblank=1 <number of seconds to turn off after> between that and the ending double quotations
[04:11] <Tuna-Fish> genii: thanks, took this long until I was able to reboot. Although consoleblank=1 300 actually sets the blanking time to 1 second, consoleblank=300 did what I wanted it to
[04:50] <cpaelzer> good morning
[06:13] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:28] <Neo4> what length password should be?
[06:28] <Neo4> at least 15 - 20 symbols?
[06:28] <Neo4> I have 8 length password, is it weak?
[06:29] <Neo4> 25 character is a long password, however then longer password the more secure
[06:30] <Neo4> https://www.grc.com/haystack.htm
[06:38] <lordievader> The longer the more time it takes to bruteforce. The length of the password should be something you are comfortable with.
[06:40] <Neo4> yes
[06:40] <Neo4> we can select passwordk base on songs
[06:40] <Neo4> for example take a few first letters from song that you know
[06:40] <Neo4> something like
[06:41] <Neo4> where have all the good men gone?
[06:41] <Neo4> and where all the gods?
[06:41] <Neo4> where the street wise gerculeses to fight the rising odd
[06:42] <Neo4> password should be whatgmgawatgwtswgtftro
[06:42] <Neo4> yeasy
[06:42] <Neo4> or other song
[06:43] <lordievader> You have made your point.
[06:43] <Neo4> when I was afraid I was petrified
[06:43] <Neo4> kept thinking I could never live without you by my side
[06:43] <Neo4> but I spend so many times just thinking how you did me wrong
[06:43] <Neo4> ...
[06:43] <Neo4> pass wiwaiwpkticnlwybmsbissmtjthydmw
[06:44] <Neo4> lordievader: good methods?
[06:45] <Neo4> you can take 2 symbols first and last from each word and phrase will shorter
[06:47] <Neo4> lordievader: do you know how to use command line? options
[06:48] <Neo4> for example what is difference between apt-get -help and apt-get --help ?
[06:48] <OpenTokix> Just generate your passwords and use a password manager.
[06:48] <lordievader> OpenTokix: That is usually the best method.
[06:48] <Neo4> it has significant difference, who know what?
[06:48] <Neo4> -- or - ?
[06:49] <Neo4> OpenTokix: lordievader:  guys?
[06:49] <Neo4> ok, it might difficult question, I exmplaine
[06:49] <lordievader> Convention says - should be followed by a single letter while -- should be followed by a full word.
[06:50] <Neo4> lordievader: yes, you are right
[06:50] <OpenTokix> Neo4: It is a programming difference. There is sort of a standard that one dash - is used for short options like -h and double dash is used for long options, like --help.
[06:50] <Neo4> right
[06:50] <OpenTokix> but it is not a hard and fast rule, there is many exceptions ofc.
[06:51] <Neo4> apt-get -help = apt-get -h -e -l -p , it will execute like four parameters and apt-get --help usually uses to word
[06:51] <ducasse> for some programs at least, -help would give you options -h, -e, -l and -p
[06:51] <Neo4> OpenTokix: I didn't know this before reading linux bible book
[06:51] <Neo4> :)
[06:51] <OpenTokix> Neo4: Only bible worth reading
[06:52] <Neo4> OpenTokix: yes, there describe fedora and red hat, but UNIX family os all equal all that commands and approaches could be applied in any
[06:53] <Neo4> OpenTokix: I almost finished this book https://www.amazon.com/Linux-Bible-Christopher-Negus/dp/1118999878/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1525243987&sr=8-2&keywords=linux+bible
[06:53] <Neo4> have already read 600 pages
[06:53] <Neo4> very nice book, so many useful information...
[06:54] <Neo4> especially about man how to use it
[06:55] <Neo4> for to be powerful linux user we need to know how to edit text file, be able to use command line, vim
[06:55] <OpenTokix> Neo4: I dont think I am less interested of a subject in the world then the amount of pages you have read in a book, why are you telling anyone this? - Log out and keep reading.
[06:57] <Neo4> OpenTokix: I've read 30 page today, enough, will read later or tomorrow
[06:57] <Neo4> OpenTokix: many informations there
[06:57] <Neo4> I can't digest
[06:58] <Neo4> :)
[06:58] <Neo4> OpenTokix: remove windows and install linux! I really would say after that book you will easy use linux. it is really linux bible
[13:41] <tvw> What is the difference between Ubuntu Server and Ubuntu Live Server and why is the latter one the recommended variant? What does "Live" mean in this context - the other variant seems very alive too.
[13:42] <dpb1> tvw: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes -- search for 'live'
[13:42] <ahasenack> I also think the "live" name is wrong
[13:42] <dpb1> it's not easily changed, but agreed it's not ideal
[13:42] <ahasenack> essentially "live" means the new installer
[13:46] <tvw> I read the ReleaseNotes. They only tell me what you cannot do with the "live" version and that it comes with a new installer. But installations is so fast, that there must be more differences. And after the first restart and logging in, I get some "cloud" messages, which I have not seen when installing with the classic installer.
[13:48] <ahasenack> tvw: well, the new installer is http://launchpad.net/subiquity if you want to learn what it does under the hood
[13:48] <ahasenack> https://github.com/CanonicalLtd/subiquity for the code
[13:51] <tvw> ahasenack: Thanks.
[14:05] <BLZbubba> tvw: live server has the horrible new installer
[14:18] <tvw> BLZbubba: I see ;-) To be honest, I like the overall approach. But I wonder why it is proposed as the main version while it seems to lack a lot of thinks as can be read in the Release Notes.
[14:19] <BLZbubba> yes, LTS releases are the worst time to surprise people.  they should have learned this with the !#%^#%^ upstart debacle in 2010
[14:28] <xnox> i agree that "Live" is a missnormer. Mostly a reflection, that it is not a minimal d-i environment, but actually a full ubuntu server squashfs running at runtime like the desktop installer.
[14:28] <xnox> e.g. switching to tty2, one gets a shell of a fully live session of Ubuntu Server.
[14:29] <xnox> one can "try" things there, like "Tru Ubuntu" from the desktop session.
[15:31] <dpb1> BLZbubba: I like the installer
[15:35] <BLZbubba> once it can partition drives properly i will be able to try it again.  at least the old version let me partition ahead of time, the new one insists on wiping it every time
[16:02] <dpb1> BLZbubba: that will come, yes.
[18:07] <nacc> dpb1: rbasak: do we have a page about the root mysql login stuff from 16.04? trying to find it in my history
[18:52] <Slashman> hello, I have a service that keeps crashing, it is generating core dumps "Main process exited, code=dumped, status=11/SEGV", where can I find those?
[18:53] <NightMonkey> Howdy. I use the CloudWatch perl scripts for my Ubuntu EC2 instances, which are launched from the official Ubuntu AMIs. I'm finding that recently the scripts are not reporting the disk mount devices as they used to ("/dev/xvda1") but now report them as "/dev/disk/by-uuid/c70a26ec-1dda-455c-acfd-792015b2bb6f". This causes my metrics to report "INSUFFICIENT_DATA". Has anyone found a fix for this?
[19:45] <rbasak> nacc: IIRC it's in NEWS.Debian
[19:46] <rbasak> Not sure though need to check
[19:58] <nacc> rbasak: ok, thanks just needed to point a user at it
[20:07] <ahasenack> Slashman: take a look in /var/crash
[20:08] <Slashman> ahasenack: thanks, unfortunately, I have rollbacked the container now, I'll take a look next time
[20:08] <ahasenack> Slashman: /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern is what tells how core files are handled
[20:08] <ahasenack> in ubuntu, that's this by default:
[20:08] <ahasenack> $ cat /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern
[20:08] <ahasenack> |/usr/share/apport/apport %p %s %c %d %P
[20:08] <ahasenack> apport then creates a "crash file" in /var/crash, which includes the core dump
[20:08] <Slashman> hm, and how does this translate to /var/crash ?
[20:09] <Slashman> ok
[20:09] <ahasenack> notice the pipe at the beginning
[20:09] <ahasenack> |/usr/share/....
[20:10] <ahasenack> NightMonkey: /dev/disk/.... is a link to /dev/xvda1, right? (in that example)