[21:29] <ActionParsnip> innocent95: xubuntu or lubuntu will use less ram
[21:29] <coolxcv> ok, going to remake the VM since I deleted it thinking it was corrupt
[21:29] <ActionParsnip> innocent95: a stick of ram is cheap dude.
[21:30] <Deihmos> 1gb ram lol
[21:30] <Deihmos> i had that back in 2000
[21:30] <innocent95> ActionParsnip: not in my country dude
[21:30] <Ethos> 2gb ram is required
[21:30] <ActionParsnip> Deihmos: depends what the system does to how much ram is needed :-)
[21:31] <innocent95> ActionParsnip: if you are able to give me one then do
[21:31] <Ethos> 1gb ram for ubuntu servers
[21:31] <ActionParsnip> Ethos: not for lubuntu
[21:31] <Ethos> ah
[21:31] <ActionParsnip> !requirements
[21:31] <coolxcv2> Oh my saw it! it's a tiny button to the right
[21:31] <coolxcv2> heheh you guys are awesome
[21:31] <histo> coolxcv2: http://dlc.sun.com.edgesuite.net/virtualbox/4.3.12/UserManual.pdf
[21:31] <coolxcv2> thanks :D
[21:32] <Ethos> How do I install vsti plugin for ardour?
[21:32] <cynicallemon> i have a ubuntu vps and that runs mail and web services on 256MB
[21:32] <holstein> innocent95: i understand, again, your frustration, friend.. thats why i listed the second option.. about how to address your 12.04 installation
[21:32] <ActionParsnip> cynicallemon: exactly :-)
[21:32] <cynicallemon> and it runs well
[21:33] <innocent95> alright
[21:33] <histo> Inc`: stick with 32bit verson, and i'd recommend xubuntu or lubuntu
[21:33] <DJJeff> gconftool-2 --set /apps/nautilus/preferences/media_automount --type bool false
[21:33] <histo> Inc`: sorry wrong nick
[21:33] <DJJeff> is there anything else I need to look for to disable auto mount?
[21:33] <k1l> cynicallemon: servers have different ram usage than desktops.
[21:34] <fishcooker> is it OK to upgrade from 10.04.4 directly to the latest 14.04?
[21:34] <histo> DJJeff: why are you disabling automount?
[21:34] <ActionParsnip> fishcooker: you will need to upgrade to 12.04 first
[21:34] <k1l> fishcooker: no
[21:34] <cynicallemon> k1l, yes i know this
[21:34] <DJJeff> histo, please do not ask why, please just tell me if I need to look for something else
[21:34] <ActionParsnip> fishcooker: LTS to the next LTS to the next LTS
[21:35] <hockeybum> fishcooker - I have heard that the 14.04 release meant to use as an upgrade to 12.04 will be out July 27
[21:35] <Ethos> DJJeff: enable it firstly
[21:35] <cynicallemon> all depends on what you need, that dictates RAM used
[21:35] <das> i made this commands ActionParsnip sudo apt-get purge bumblebee* && sudo apt-get purge libvdpau-va-gl1 && sudo apt-get purge libvdpau-va-gl1
[21:35] <DJJeff> bool true then bool false?
[21:35] <das> sudo apt-get install nvidia-319 nvidia-settings-319 nvidia-prime
[21:35] <ActionParsnip> fishcooker: you'll get a cleaner OS and faster with a clean install of Trusty from CD then restore user data from backup
[21:35] <Ethos> DJJeff: right :>
[21:35] <histo> DJJeff: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem
[21:35] <holstein> DJJeff: in main ubuntu 14.04? with unity?
[21:35] <hockeybum> I want to upgrade to 14.04 but after reading about issues using the current version, and hearing that one you can use via the Software Updater, I held off
[21:35] <ki7mt> DJJeff, if you really want to make sure it doesn't happen, create a udev rule, with something like: SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ENV{UDISKS_AUTO}="0" for USB mounts
[21:36] <histo> ActionParsnip: lts > lts is supported
[21:36] <ActionParsnip> Das: ok then reboot
[21:36] <das> ok
[21:36] <Ethos> if anyone is missing t heir sound-indicator, sudo apt-get install sound-indicator; sound-indicator
[21:36] <ActionParsnip> histo: yes, but it goes to the next lts
[21:36] <das> i will tell you what will happen
[21:36] <DJJeff> where do I put udev rules?
[21:36] <histo> ActionParsnip: wha?
[21:36] <Ethos> you can put them on startup
[21:36] <histo> fishcooker: you go LTS > LTS
[21:37] <histo> !upgrade | fishcooker
[21:37] <fishcooker> is "apt-get update && apt-get -y upgrade" or just do magic "do-release-upgrade" ActionParsnip histo?
[21:37] <ActionParsnip> histo: fishcooker has lucid, so will need to upgrade to precise first
[21:37] <ki7mt> DJJeff, sudo touch /etc/udev/rules.d/80-no-autom.rules
[21:37] <ActionParsnip> fishcooker: sounds fine
[21:37] <histo> fishcooker: use do-release-ugprade   read the directions from ubottu  for how to upgrade
[21:37] <fishcooker> will report later
[21:37] <histo> DJJeff: /etc/udev/rules.d/
[21:37] <hockeybum> @AP - yes correct - but I've heard that 'upgrade' is not recommended - better to do a' fresh install' or wait for the version 7/27
[21:38] <ki7mt> DJJeff, then add that line, you'll need to reboot to take affect.
[21:38] <Ethos> hockeybum: that is correct.
[21:38] <jphilipz> anyone know how to get in touch with the ubuntu.com website team
[21:39] <das> i fill my user and password
[21:39] <hockeybum> thank you Ethos
[21:39] <das> it get in
[21:39] <das> but
[21:39] <das> it give me an error
[21:40] <das> don't work ActionParsnip
[21:40] <das> system program problem says me
[21:41] <Ethos> hockeybum: np :>
[21:42] <DJJeff> ki7mt, I thought only windows needed to reboot to make changes
[21:42] <histo> das: what error did you get?  and stop using the enter key, respond in one line.
[21:43] <ActionParsnip> DJJeff: you do to load a new kernel. You can get around that with ksplaice too
[21:43] <ActionParsnip> Ksplice*
[21:44] <das> it says only system program promeb, i can move only the mouse, the bar of unity on the left there isn't, i see only the folders on the desktop so big, but i vcan't select them
[21:44] <Randy_O> Anyone have any experience repairing server ports? I have a server that can't connect or be connected to over port 80. I have apache2 running and had an http proxy running, removing the proxy broke the server.
[21:45] <psusi> DJJeff, you cna make changes just fine but to actually start using the new program, you have to restart that program.  In the case of the kernel, that means rebooting
[21:45] <ki7mt> DJJeff, not when your dealing with boot time services like that. SOme Udev itmes can be set, but not things like that.
[21:45] <DJJeff> I will just use my laptop because I do not mind if I reboot it
[21:45] <DJJeff> I have alot of unsaved work on my desktop
[21:46] <DJJeff> and in a bunch of xchat channels which I do not want to loose
[21:47] <histo> das: what is your native language?
[21:47] <das> itlaian
[21:47] <das> italian
[21:47] <histo> Randy_O: /join #ubuntu-server
[21:47] <histo> !it | das
[21:47] <das> my english is bad i know
[21:48] <das> join #ubuntu-it
[21:48] <ki7mt> DJJeff, my xchat saves the history of the channels I log into, there may be a setting for it, not sure.
[21:48] <histo> das:  add a / <<<   so /join #ubuntu-it
[21:49] <cynicallemon> ~/.xchat2 is where xchat stores all its stuff
[21:49] <ki7mt> DJJeff, it's in prefs, enable scrollback and logging to disk
[21:50] <histo> DJJeff: this channel is logged online as well.
[21:51] <histo> !nsa | DJJeff
[21:51] <ki7mt> Oh, yeah, forgot about that too.
[21:51] <seekr> quick question:  where in the heck are the installation instructions!?
[21:51] <histo> !install | seekr
[21:51] <ki7mt> seekr, for what?
[21:52] <seekr> ubottu: thanks, bot
[21:54] <DJJeff> tested on my laptop that udev rule does not work
[21:55] <ki7mt> wow, can you imagine installing from floppy disks :-) haven't had an FDD for years now.
[21:55] <DJJeff> in /var/log/syslog it says "udisksd" mounted it
[21:55] <histo> seekr: what are you trying to install?
[21:56] <histo> DJJeff: dpkg -l | grep udisk
[21:57] <DJJeff> found the same question finally
[21:57] <DJJeff> http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/85061/automount-not-disabling-in-ubuntu-12-04-or-13-04
[21:57] <fishcooker> my locale-gen have 2 languages installed.. for some reason i want only one language enabled .. how to?
[21:57] <DJJeff> ii  udisks2
[21:57] <ki7mt> DJJeff, should have, but here's another method: http://askubuntu.com/questions/301122/prevent-a-specific-usb-device-from-auto-mounting
[21:58] <histo> DJJeff: Perhaps there is a better way to accomplish your 'end goal'. Why are you disabling automount?
[21:58] <DJJeff> because I am trying to 'ddrescue' a damaged USB Storage
[21:58] <ornj> The letters on my keyboard stopped working after I tried to F11 in Firefox... but things like Enter still work
[21:58] <DJJeff> but ubuntu keeps wanting to 'automount' it
[21:58] <DJJeff> which is preventing me from doing a 'ddrescue'
[21:59] <ornj> and I just opened up XChat and they keyboard works fine in that, and I could type in the Terminal window, as well.
[21:59] <cynicallemon> fishcooker, look at localepurge package
[21:59] <ornj> But if I Alt-Ctrl-F2'd, I couldn't type at the login screen there.
[21:59] <histo> DJJeff: how is the automount prevening you from ddrescue?
[21:59] <DJJeff> sudo udevadm control --reload-rules ?
[22:00] <yoLo_> does any of you own a website ?
[22:00] <DJJeff> histo, if I knew the answer to that, why would I ask?
[22:00] <ActionParsnip> DJJeff: just unmount it and you can ddrescue away
[22:00] <histo> DJJeff: also you can mount -o remount,ro
[22:00] <Beldar> !ot | yoLo_
[22:01] <RLW980> I keep on getting this when I'm trying to install a tar.gz file: Installing with make install...  [22:01] <ki7mt> DJJeff, yeah ActionParsnip said, if your booted, umount the device
[22:01] <ActionParsnip> Doesnt ddrescue need it unmpunted....
[22:01] <ActionParsnip> Unmounted*
[22:01] <RLW980> ActionParsnip: hey there lol, help me
[22:01] <histo> DJJeff: or you could even unmount it since you don't need it mounted to ddrescue
[22:01] <ActionParsnip> RLW980: wassup
[22:01] <RLW980> ActionParsnip: Installing with make install...  [22:01] <ki7mt> RLW980, That's because a tar.gz file is not a makefile, it's a compressed archive.
[22:01] <ActionParsnip> RLW980: what are you compiling?
[22:01] <histo> ActionParsnip: I don't think it should care, it just access the device file regardless
[22:02] <RLW980> ki7mt: how to install it then
[22:02] <bekks> RLW980: can you pastebin the entire output, including the command you are using?
[22:02] <RLW980> ActionParsnip: software Ac
[22:02] <ActionParsnip> histo: but file changes may cause issue. Ive only used it on unmounted stuff before so cant really comment fully
[22:02] <RLW980> bekks: ok bekks :D
[22:02] <bekks> RLW980: and caan you tell us what you are trying to compile there?
[22:02] <histo> RLW980: what package?
[22:02] <ActionParsnip> RLW980: yes but what software are you compiling?
[22:03] <histo> ActionParsnip: yeah the device should be umounted or mounted ro before any data recovery is even attempted.
[22:03] <RLW980> bekks: ok
[22:03] <RLW980> histo: liveusb-creator-3.11.8
[22:03] <histo> RLW980: isn't that unetbootin?
[22:03] <ActionParsnip> RLW980: why? Its in the repos....its even part of a default install
[22:03] <RLW980> histo: no
[22:04] <ActionParsnip> histo: all filesystems will be mounted or unmounted. Those are the only 2 states
[22:04] <ActionParsnip> !info usb-creator-gtk
[22:04] <histo> ActionParsnip: yes
[22:04] <ActionParsnip> RLW980: tried that?
[22:05] <histo> ActionParsnip: you missread my comment the 'ro' part
[22:05] <RLW980> ActionParsnip: But can that software burn Windwos though
[22:05] <histo> DJJeff: Now do you see why I asked you why in the first place?
[22:05] <Jordan_U> RLW980: What is your end goal?
[22:05] <histo> DJJeff: the xy problem.
[22:06] <RLW980> Jordan_U: to install Windos
[22:06] <RLW980> *W
[22:06] <DJJeff> finally got it to stop auto mounting on my laptop
[22:06] <seekr> histo: longish story - just a sec...
[22:06] <ActionParsnip> RLW980: no burning takes place when you make a bootable USB.
[22:06] <DJJeff> new problem of Sense Key : No Sense [current]
[22:07] <RLW980> zLOL
[22:07] <ActionParsnip> RLW980: if you format the USB storage to NTFS first, I believe unetbootin can make a bootable USB installer for Windows CDs
[22:07] <RLW980> ActionParsnip: i'LL DO ANYTHING TO GET wINDOWS BACK
[22:07] <histo> RLW980: well you'd have to mount the windows iso. copy the files to a fat32 formatted usb
[22:07] <histo> RLW980: no need for liveusb-creator
[22:08] <ActionParsnip> RLW980: you do realize why you 'burn' a CD, right?
[22:08] <seekr> histo: I just want a system for temporary purposes for the time being that can handle my flaky mobo, which will not support graphics mode and a 3TB external drive that I plan to use to reconfigure an internal drive and to move some files from a laptop
[22:09] <seekr> histo: I have to do the install in a text-only mode
[22:09] <histo> seekr: you could move all the files from the livecd
[22:09] <Jordan_U> RLW980: liveusb-creator doesn't seem to have any support for making bootable Windows install images. I think you misinterpreted "Windows support", which means that it supports creating GNU/Linux LiveUSBs from a Windows machine, not visa-versa.
[22:09] <histo> seekr: then you need to use the mini.iso or the server.iso to install in cli mode
[22:09] <tortib> Hello!  If I have a HDD that is being shared with samba and the HDD is NTFS will I be able to copy files that were on a HFS file system?
[22:10] <seekr> I'm a bit afraid of doing the installation, since I don't want anything presently on the machine to get overwritten - I have a few 30 GB partitions on an internal 3TB drive where I can put ubuntu
[22:10] <histo> tortib: yes
[22:10] <tortib> histo: awesome, thanks!
[22:10] <tortib> histo: you're awesome too! :D
[22:10] <histo> seekr: use a livecd then
[22:10] <seekr> histo: ^^
[22:10] <tortib> histo++
[22:10] <RLW980> ActionParsnip: I'll do your idea first then I shall do then histo: THEN your idea as 2nd lol
[22:10] <seekr> I'm copying the ISO I downloaded onto a 1BG thumb drive
[22:10] <histo> seekr: or install ubuntu to a flash drive in cli mode.
[22:10] <Jordan_U> tortib: Yes, though permissions and other special attributs of files may be lost (usually that's not important with documents/pictures/ most user files).
[22:11] <histo> seekr: which iso?  and you don't copy it to usb.  You write it there using dd or one of the various usb creator tools
[22:11] <seekr> histo: I'd like to add the ubuntu info to an existing GRUB config file
[22:11] <tortib> Jordan_U: Yeah that won't be a problem.  Love samba though.
[22:11] <tortib> Been years since i've used it and now my new router has it built in with 2 USB ports :D
[22:11] <seekr> histo: yes, I'm using dd
[22:11] <tortib> I ordered a 2TB WD Passport to hook up to it :D
[22:11] <seekr> histo: I d/l'd the desktop installer
[22:12] <histo> seekr: K, if you want cli only on usb you'd be better off using debootstrap or installing there from the mini.iso
[22:12] <seekr> histo: hmm
[22:13] <seekr> histo: The machine has no net access - though I do have a USB wifi dongle that could be used if I can configure it in non-graphical mode
[22:13] <histo> seekr: I don't understand why you can't just use the desktop iso though.
[22:13] <seekr> histo: that's my current plan
[22:13] <histo> seekr: you should be good to go then.
[22:13] <seekr> histo: I downloaded the desktop system iso and am now dd'ing it to a 1GB USB flash drive
[22:13] <histo> seekr: For future reference you can configure wifi from cli.
[22:14] <seekr> histo: that's good - I'll do it if I can get help or a good how-to
[22:14] <histo> You can do just about everything from cli
[22:14] <seekr> histo: great!!
[22:15] <seekr> histo: looks as if the dd completed - the install will not be on the machine I'm using now, so if I can ask questions as I go along if there are problems, I'd be most grateful
[22:15] <histo> yeah, fire away seekr
[22:16] <seekr> histo: I guess the ISO is mountable - for purposes of poking around
[22:16] <GEEGEEGEE> I cant get my network cards to work. They are both RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controllers. I have set addresses on them and the default gateway, but I am unable to ping ANY address on the network.
[22:16] <GEEGEEGEE> I get "Destination host is unreachable", or a error about the buffers being full.
[22:17] <seekr> histo: yeah - I mounted it with "-o ro" and it looks ok!
[22:18] <histo> GEEGEEGEE: what is the output of ip route
[22:18] <histo> seekr: mounted what?
[22:18] <RLW980> histo: Your idea didn't work nether did ActionParsnip
[22:19] <histo> RLW980: What idea?
[22:19] <seekr> histo: I mounted the filesystem that was copied onto the flash drive via dd from the installation ISO - mounted it read-only, just so I didn't mess it up
[22:19] <GEEGEEGEE> histo, http://pastebin.com/H8zAV03K
[22:20] <seekr> histo: I've unmounted it now, so I can try the install on the other machine
[22:20] <histo> GEEGEEGEE: can you ping the gateway or <IP_ADDRESS> also?
[22:20] <GEEGEEGEE> no, I cant ping any address at all
[22:21] <GEEGEEGEE> ive checked all the cables and switches and they are all working with other computers
[22:21] <histo> GEEGEEGEE: how did you set addresses?
[22:21] <histo> GEEGEEGEE: pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces
[22:21] <GEEGEEGEE> in /etc/network/interfaces
[22:21] <RLW980> histo: format the USB to an FAT32 and the copy and paste content from .iso filew to the USB
[22:21] <histo> RLW980: what version of windows?
[22:22] <histo> RLW980: and did you make sure the partition is set as bootable
[22:22] <histo> RLW980: sudo cfdisk /dev/of/your/usb   and make sure it's marked as bootable
[22:22] <RLW980> histo: WINDOWS 7
[22:23] <RLW980> histo: AMD YES
[22:23] <GEEGEEGEE> histo, here http://pastebin.com/ucMcxvST
[22:23] <histo> GEEGEEGEE: and if you ping <IP_ADDRESS>  ?? unreachable?
[22:24] <GEEGEEGEE> yeah
[22:24] <histo> have to go brb
[22:26] <solidus-river> hey all, how do i force a new dhcp lease for a box
[22:26] <Beldar> RLW980, Have you tried http://www.webupd8.org/2012/01/tool-to-create-windows-usb-install.html For a extract I have used a ntfs with a boot flag and extract with disc image mounter to open the iso.
[22:27] <cynicallemon> solidus-river, try dhclient?
[22:27] <solidus-river> aye
[22:28] <Bashing-om> solidus-river: Maybe as -> sudo dhclient <ath0> <- where ath0 is the device name .
[22:29] <cynicallemon> if it's a new (different) ip address you're after then you may have to delete the entry for your machine on the dhcp server itself
[22:36] <solidus-river> cynicallemon: Bashing-om thanks, yeha i'm tyring to work on a virtual box hiccup that happened
[22:40] <histo> GEEGEEGEE: I'm back any luck?
[22:40] <GEEGEEGEE> no, still not working ;(
[22:41] <histo> GEEGEEGEE: is <IP_ADDRESS>/24 your actual network range?
[22:41] <GEEGEEGEE> yeah
[22:41] <cynicallemon> solidus-river, if you're using the default dhcp server within virtualbox then I seem to remember that being on <IP_ADDRESS> so if you're having connectivity issue you could statically assign an address to your machine on that <IP_ADDRESS> network
[22:41] <solidus-river> yeah, its wierd, i have 5 guests that work fine
[22:42] <solidus-river> but one of them refuses to obtain an ip address or accept incoming ssh connections
[22:42] <cynicallemon> solidus-river, Ive had issues with dynamic addresses before with virtualbox
[22:42] <histo> GEEGEEGEE: is the link light active on the card and the switch?
[22:42] <solidus-river> cynicallemon: what was the solution?
[22:43] <GEEGEEGEE> histo, the lights are on, but not flashing as thye should
[22:43] <histo> GEEGEEGEE: do you have a dhcp server on the network?
[22:43] <YaMoonSun> Which distro would you suggest for a netbook with an atom processor and 8GB 5400RPM hdd?
[22:43] <GEEGEEGEE> yeah but i was unable to get an address from that
[22:44] <cynicallemon> solidus-river, as i said, assign a static ip in the range virtualbox hands out
[22:44] <solidus-river> cynicallemon: well right now virtual box wont assign an ip to any new host sucesfully
[22:44] <solidus-river> its stuck on configure virtual network devices
[22:44] <histo> GEEGEEGEE: does anything work on this network?
[22:45] <Beldar> YaMoonSun, Uh not a ubuntu support question, and guess what would be suggested here.
[22:45] <GEEGEEGEE> yes i have 3 other computers on it all are working fine
[22:45] <GEEGEEGEE> its just this one that wont work after I installed ubuntu server on it
[22:46] <histo> GEEGEEGEE: what chipset was this again?
[22:46] <cynicallemon> solidus-river, i have found on occasions that changing the network card type on the vm clears the issue
[22:46] <GEEGEEGEE> RTL8111
[22:46] <seekr> hi, histo - I just get a flashing cursor when I try to boot from the usb drive - I have "hard disk" selected just behind "cd-rom" - and the usb stick, which is recognised, is shown as the first of the five drives - guess i should go 'round back and see if the led flashes on the usb stick at boot time
[22:47] <solidus-river> cynicallemon: hmm, i'll try that its time for me to get home, i have driving duties today so i get to go enjoy traffic
[22:47] <solidus-river> cynicallemon: thanks for the pointers!
[22:47] <Beldar> !nomodeset | seekr try this
[22:47] <seekr> i have a bad dvd drive on this machine, but I may have to resort to booting back into debian on the other one, and burn the installer onto a dvd disk
[22:48] <Beldar> seekr, Just noticed you were asking another, my mistake.
[22:48] <seekr> Beldar: thanks
[22:48] <seekr> Beldar: ok
[22:49] <seekr> Beldar: you mean I'm asking another question or another person?
[22:50] <Beldar> seekr, Another person, I would try the nomodeset option
[22:50] <histo> GEEGEEGEE: can you ping yourself?
[22:50] <seekr> Beldar: I doubt that's the problem - I do see a flashing cursor - just have to find out whether the usb stick is being addressed
[22:51] <GEEGEEGEE> yes histo
[22:51] <Sunstream> Anyone tell me how to set up whre I can have a "local shell account where I have to log in and everything"
[22:51] <Beldar> seekr, flashing cursor is often a missing graphics driver, nomodeset is a low graphic boot.
[22:51] <histo> Sunstream: open a terminal
[22:52] <Sunstream> I did that but it automatically logs me in but as a user I want to be able to be a SU all the time when I use one terminal and a regular another I have 3 terminals on here one default one Xterm and another one
[22:52] <seekr> Beldar: ah - ok
[22:52] <histo> GEEGEEGEE: I have no idea. Something weird is going on with your cabling and or switch most likely.
[22:53] <seekr> Beldar: I don't see how I can provide any boot params when I'm booting directly from the BIOS
[22:53] <histo> !root | Sunstream
[22:53] <Beldar> seekr, read the link
[22:53] <seekr> Beldar: ok - will do
[22:56] <Beldar> seekr, You want the gui that has a try, or install or check the memory, some usb loaders have this bypassed so you may have to investigate how to bring that up, the flashing cursor is past that gui
[22:56] <Sunstream> I know my "root" level is through SUDO but I just want to log in each time so I can have that nostalgic feeling I think it may be easier to put a shell dameon on my system
[22:57] <Guest75918> i have a question about using an iso loopback with grub2 to boot ubuntu into ram, and then running an install
[22:58] <Sunstream> basically what I want to do (I am reading the page) is when I go into the terminal it has %sysname Login: so I can pretend I have a real shell
[22:58] <JamesMc_> Question for this group. Does discussion/support also include Lubuntu?
[22:58] <Gary_Rowher> Hi Cedar Rapids and Iowa City! This is Gary Rowher, Owner/Founder of PepperJax Grill. We have the best Philly Steak Sandwiches in the country. I perfected, then patented my unique sirloin steak slicing method for maximum juicyness. We then pile our perfected hearth baked roll with steak, cheese, & toppings. Come by today for the best Philly Sandwich you can find. FAMOUS PHILLIES & SO MUCH MORE! Pepper-Pepper-PepperJax Grill! www.pepperjaxgrill.com
[22:58] <seekr> Beldar: reading the first part of the article and your comment still leaves me thinking there's nothing I can do to supply boot params to get information to the system when it won't even load
[22:58] <Beldar> Guest75918, If you have grub you can boot with it.
[22:58] <k1l> Sunstream: just open a terminal
[22:58] <Guest75918> yup. i did boot with it
[22:58] <Sunstream> how do i report spammers?
[22:58] <k1l> Sunstream: or go to a TTY with ctrl+alt+F1
[22:58] <Guest75918> the thing is, if i want to install ubuntu
[22:58] <Beldar> seekr, read the whole article it is there,
[22:58] <seekr> Beldar: GRUB knows nothing about the USB device that contains the ubuntu install image
[22:59] <Sunstream> I know Oh let me try that
[22:59] <Guest75918> it doesn't update the partitiontable because isodevice is in use
[22:59] <RMYC> hello #ubuntu! =)
[22:59] <Beldar> seekr, You are not changing grub.
[22:59] <Glorfindel> where is the virus scanner in 14.04?
[22:59] <SchrodingersScat> !clamav | Glorfindel
[22:59] <Glorfindel> where is the location I mean
[22:59] <Beldar> seekr, You have a live usb it is addressed in that link.
[22:59] <SchrodingersScat> oh..
[23:01] <Beldar> Guest75918, Preface with a users nick if you address them.
[23:01] <Glorfindel> and ubottu dosn't know anything about clamav :(
[23:01] <SunstreamShell> Okay
[23:01] <SunstreamShell> that is neat
[23:01] <seekr> Beldar: As I told histo earlier, I'm trying to boot from a usb flash drive - there's a mobo problem that prevents it from getting into graphics mode, so I'm stuck with text-only - but unless there's something about the BIOS that I don't know about, there's no way to tell it to pass along a message to the thing that's on the usb drive that contains the bootable image
[23:01] <SunstreamShell> nut
[23:01] <SunstreamShell> But How do I go back to my gui
[23:01] <SchrodingersScat> !info clamav | Glorfindel, but as far as where it puts all the files, you'd probably have to investigate further
[23:02] <Beldar> seekr, I have tried, you have not listened or read the link, my work is done. ;)
[23:02] <Glorfindel> ok
[23:02] <SunstreamShell> Thank you for helping me to go to my tty
[23:02] <SunstreamShell> That was what I want to do on days I want to learn commandline stuff
[23:02] <SunstreamShell> Now How do I get back into my Gui
[23:02] <SchrodingersScat> SunstreamShell: ctrl-alt-f7?
[23:03] <SunstreamShell> Ok
[23:03] <SunstreamShell> Trying
[23:03] <Beldar> !mini | seekr
[23:03] <Sunstream> Okay thank you
[23:03] <seekr> Beldar: I can't see how the article applies to my case - it talks about a purple kb logo - I can't see any such thing, since, as I said, I can't get into graphics mode, which is needed to present such images
[23:03] <histo> seekr: what mobo problem is there?
[23:03] <mateusz_> hi, how can I create a bootable pen drive using startup disc creator? Whole process seems to be ok, but stick sinply doesn't want to boot. I've tried 2 pednrive on two computers and nothing only dark screen after selecting boot form pendrive.
[23:03] <Sunstream> Thank you I made a nice little index card that allows me to do TTY and GUI
[23:04] <Beldar> !nomodeset | mateusz_ try this
[23:04] <seekr> histo: I don't know the details - I know only that I've tried to install various distros, and they all hang when they try to go into graphics mode.
[23:04] <Sunstream> thank you SchrodingersScat and k1l
[23:05] <seekr> histo: in this case (and probably the others - it's been a long time since I last tried), I can't even get the BIOS to boot from the usb stick
[23:05] <Beldar> mateusz_, You might check the md5sum of the iso and usb
[23:05] <SchrodingersScat> Sunstream: welcome
[23:05] <histo> seekr: Do you get the purple grub screen or just a blinking cursor?
[23:05] <seekr> histo: negative
[23:05] <seekr> histo: blinking cursor only
[23:05] <histo> seekr: hold the shift key after the bios posts do youg et a grub screen?
[23:06] <seekr> will see, histo...
[23:06] <Sunstream> That is all I wanted thank you so much I now have the powers I want to take over the world mauhahahah no Thank you I now need to get out the documentation to have a ANSI Screen opening so when I do go to TTY I can have a beautiful screen
[23:06] <seekr> histo: so I hit F10 to save settings and exit bios mode and then immediately press and hold shift?
[23:06] <histo> seekr: yes
[23:06] <seekr> histo: ok
[23:07] <histo> seekr: basically you are trying to catch the grub screen by hitting shift. After the bios hands off to the usb to boot
[23:07] <Sunstream> Thank you
[23:07] <seekr> histo: no joy - back to blinking cursor
[23:08] <histo> seekr: did you create this from another linux machine?
[23:08] <Sunstream> Is it okay to idle here or should I leave
[23:08] <seekr> histo: yes
[23:08] <histo> seekr: boot that then, we'll edit the grub entry from there.
[23:08] <seekr> histo: I used dd to copy the ISO image I downloaded
[23:08] <Daekdroom> Sunstream, you can idle. Most of the 1700 users in this channel are.
[23:09] <seekr> histo: that's what I'm trying to do
[23:09] <seekr> histo: the problem is that the supposedly bootable installer on the usb stick is not booting
[23:09] <Sunstream> k
[23:09] <histo> seekr: mount the thumb drive, chroot there, sudo nano /etc/default/grub  add nomodeset to the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT line & sudo update-grub. exit the chroot umount and reboot
[23:10] <Sunstream> !describe tty
[23:10] <histo> seekr: actuall you won't need sudo after chroot...
[23:10] <seekr> histo: k, but lemme try something else first - I want to make sure I can boot something from the usb port, which I'm not sure I can at this point
[23:11] <seekr> histo: gotcha
[23:12] <Happyfeet> I have a small problem, when  I try to download something with this command svn co https://www.cgran.org/svn/projects/multimode I get the error "error: server certificate verification failed CAfile /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt CRLfile: none while accessing svn co https://www.cgran.org/svn/projects/multimode" Wat do?
[23:13] <histo> Happyfeet: try changing https to http
[23:15] <seekr> histo: just as I thought/remembered - I'm unable to boot an 8GB stick containing a live KNOPPIX system on that machine - I'll try your procedure anyway, though
[23:15] <Happyfeet> histo, they don't have the repo at http
[23:15] <histo> seekr: what graphics card is on that machine?
[23:16] <histo> Happyfeet: ask them what's wrong with their cert
[23:16] <deb> and by the way gentoo is not very gentil distro
[23:16] <seekr> histo: it's an on-board graphics thing - I also have an nvidia card, presently not installed, which does no better
[23:16] <seekr> histo: It's an asus mobo
[23:17] <jimbohertz> hey what is a good html only web browser ?
[23:18] <Happyfeet> nano is a great terminal browser
[23:18] <histo> seekr: what os are you running on this box?
[23:18] <zaapiel> nano is what i use
[23:18] <histo> jimbohertz: dwb, w3m
[23:18] <zaapiel> that or ee
[23:18] <zaapiel> easy editor
[23:19] <seekr> histo: If this idea doesn't work...  I was gonna say I'm gonna try burning a DVD disk containing the installer, which should work - would likely save a lot of debugging time - I think I'd best do the burn before I mess with the installer image - currently running a ~five year old version of debian
[23:19] <histo> seekr: so maybe some kind of issue booting from usb then.  Bios updtae may resolve it. Depends how old the hardware is.
[23:20] <zaapiel> they dont have easy editoe for linux i might make a port
[23:20] <seekr> histo: could be - I'd be delighted if I can get wifi working using the dongle I have, since you say it can be configured without the gui
[23:21] <histo> seekr: yeah what type of network do you need to connect to? WPA WEP Open?
[23:22] <seekr> hmm - not even sure - this machine is using it (running Mint) - how can I find out?
[23:22] <seekr> I'll open the network thing.
[23:22] <histo> zaapiel: there are plenty of editors, he was asking for a web browser
[23:22] <seekr> histo: ^^
[23:23] <mateusz_> I made bootable stick on  windows 7, but by startup dick creator it doesn't want to boot
[23:23] <zaapiel> firefox is the best on linux
[23:23] <zaapiel> of chrome
[23:23] <histo> seekr: iwlist scan   will show all networks within range.
[23:23] <zaapiel> chromium updates too much and flash is jack
[23:24] <jimbohertz> chromium doesnt have firefox extensions
[23:24] <histo> seekr: not sure what mint is using for network connection, probably network manager. you should be able to right clicka  network icon somewhere by the clock.
[23:24] <seekr> histo: panel shows "WPA, WPA2" - will try iwlist...
[23:24] <jimbohertz> illo
[23:24] <histo> seekr: ahh more of a pain to configure it cli but not that hard. I'll find you a good howto hold up.
[23:27] <seekr> thanks, histo
[23:28] <seekr> histo: http://pastebin.ca/2815335
[23:29] <Beldar> zaapiel, Please preface posts to others with nicks and stay with support needed please. ;)
[23:30] <histo> seekr: http://askubuntu.com/questions/138472/how-do-i-connect-to-a-wpa-wifi-network-using-the-command-line
[23:30] <histo> seekr: yeah wpa2
[23:30] <Happyfeet> is there a way to keep svn from needing to auth certificates on checkout?
[23:31] <histo> All of these howto's do a horrid job of explaining it
[23:32] <Happyfeet> histo, its the blind leading the blind in a lot of cases
[23:32] <seekr> histo: much obliged! - yeah, I've learned to cope with 'em  :)
[23:32] <histo> seekr: anyhoot you still burning dvd or did you try the nomodeset thing?
[23:32] <histo> Happyfeet: I don't have svn installed to check.
[23:33] <seekr> histo: took a while for the system to boot back into debian - I'm just copying the ISO image from the 1GB stick now to a file via dd - I'll burn it onto a dvd disk next, while I'm doing surgery on the filesystem on the stick as per your kind instructions
[23:34] <histo> Happyfeet: do you have a .subversion/auth  directory?
[23:34] <Happyfeet> histo, nope, this is all I have https://www.cgran.org/browser/projects/simple_ra/trunk
[23:34] <Happyfeet> I can't seem to get anything downloaded from this site
[23:35] <sudormrf> hey guys.  I am trying to find this program, I completely forgot the name.  I used it for connecting to cisco routers/switches with a console cable.  It was not minicom
[23:35] <histo> Happyfeet: https://answers.atlassian.com/questions/135145/how-to-solve-ssl-certificate-problem-with-git-svn
[23:35] <sudormrf> any other suggestions/ideas for programs that do this?
[23:35] <sudormrf> from the CLI
[23:36] <histo> sudormrf: kermit?
[23:36] <sudormrf> histo, hmmm....that doesn't sound right either.
[23:37] <sudormrf> histo, I may have to make do with something else
[23:37] <histo> sudormrf: http://alternativeto.net/software/minicom/?platform=linux
[23:37] <JoeyJoeJo> Is it possible to pick a specific kernel when I install ubuntu? Or will it just always go out and get the latest one?
[23:37] <sudormrf> picocom
[23:37] <sudormrf> thanks histo
[23:37] <sudormrf> :)
[23:38] <Beldar> JoeyJoeJo, THe mini install has some options I believe, not any kernel however
[23:38] <histo> JoeyJoeJo: Is there a reason you want an older kerenl?
[23:39] <JoeyJoeJo> histo: There's a bug in the latest kernel that prevents a module I need from working properly
[23:39] <Beldar> JoeyJoeJo, this 14.10
[23:39] <JoeyJoeJo> Beldar: No, I'm still using 12.04
[23:40] <Beldar> JoeyJoeJo, Have you installed the kernel stack, what 12.04 1230r 4
[23:40] <Beldar> or*
[23:41] <histo> JoeyJoeJo: do you have a link to the bug?
[23:42] <Beldar> JoeyJoeJo, Anyway the other is better help. ;)
[23:57] <jaytay> Howdy, I could use some help
[23:57] <jaytay> I've completed my install of Ubuntu just fine, but on bootup I get the message: "hda-intel: azx_get_Response timeout switching to single_cmd mode"
[23:57] <jaytay> I'm running on a 2013 Macbook Air, so it has an onboard Intel HD Graphics 5000.
[23:58] <cuddylier> Why is my ubuntu desktop sitting on this screen? http://puu.sh/9Hk4W/8f83470285.jpg
[23:58] <histo> jaytay: try #ubuntu-mactel
[23:59] <jaytay> Okies.
[23:59] <hunt_> does anyone here have any experience getting the sixaxis ps3 controolers to work over usb?
[23:59] <histo> cuddylier: press escape key
[23:59] <daftykins> cuddylier: that's the boot logo for boot media on USB or DVD, not an installed version.
[23:59] <jaytay> It appears to be empty, no luck here?
[23:59] <cuddylier> Yeah, this is virtual media
[23:59] <hunt_> i tried using xboxdrv, and whil it registers the controller exists, it doesnt recognize individual keypresses


[00:05] <knome> hullo bluesabre
[00:09]  * bluesabre is sighted
[00:09] <knome> bad sight is sight too..
[00:10] <elfy> sight is just usually bad
[00:25] <knome> bluesabre, not too late for translations
[00:25] <knome> and please keep the devel discussion here :P
[00:26] <bluesabre> goodie
[00:26] <knome> wondering who's going to take care of that slideshow update still
[00:27] <knome> s/update/upload/
[00:27] <knome> we need one NOW and one on next week's thursday
[00:31] <bluesabre> hm, maybe not for greeter-settings translations, seems the translation template and all translation files are completely different
[00:32] <bluesabre> andrew_p has been busy x.x
[00:37] <Unit193> bluesabre: Hah, right, telling you where would help.  ppa:unit193/xfce
[00:37] <bluesabre> thanks
[00:39] <bluesabre> 20:22	Unit193	 * d/p/xubuntu_git_Make_verbose_logging_conditional.patch:
[00:39] <bluesabre> 20:22	Unit193	    - Backport a commit to turn off verbose logging by default.
[00:54] <Unit193> bluesabre: So anything not for wombat to do?
[00:54] <bluesabre> Unit193: hoping to have a new catfish or menulibre when wombat opens up
[00:55] <bluesabre> and/or a gtk3-ready exo
[06:36] <ochosi> bluesabre: does that mean i can put your name down in the 4.14 roadmap for exo? :)
[06:37] <Unit193> Heh.
[08:33] <knome> ochosi, regarding the mailing list,
[08:34] <knome> ochosi, since we do not really want non-members to "vote" on the office/image editor discussion, what should i do with a non-member, moderation queue message:
[08:34] <knome> ochosi, 1) simply discard the message; it doesn't appear on the list and no notification is made
[08:35] <knome> ochosi, 2) reject the message with a note for the original poster telling why it is rejected
[08:35] <knome> ochosi, 3) sth else
[08:35] <ochosi> 1) sounds a bit harsh to my ears
[08:35] <ochosi> 2) would be acceptable
[08:36] <ochosi> for 3) i could imagine changing the subject, thus creating a new thread
[08:36] <knome> to me, 2) sounds like we're going to have an argument over the issue with the poster
[08:36] <knome> i recognise that email address being somebody who has posted irrelevant stuff before.
[08:37] <ochosi> right, i guess if you know the poster, it's a slightly different issue
[08:37] <knome> the mail is straightforward "vote", there is very little discussion
[08:37] <ochosi> right, then my 3) is not an option
[08:38] <ochosi> wasn't sure you were talking generally or about a specific message
[08:38] <ochosi> if it's about this specific message, i would simply reject it (aka 1))
[08:38] <knome> some one-liner arguments, but then again, it's supposed to be a team vote, and at this point there has been time to bring all arguments to the table (via the general, open for all thread before)
[08:38] <knome> both this and to act as a guideline for future
[08:38] <knome> i would lean to 1) too.
[08:39] <knome> there is a way they can get their mail on the archive if they insist; just subscribe the list...
[08:39] <Unit193> How about for all team votes and such, don't just set [TEAM] but explain what that means?
[08:39] <knome> Unit193, it is explained.
[08:39] <knome> clearly people, including you, don't read the mails
[08:39] <ochosi> i thought i did explain it quite clearly in my first email
[08:39] <ochosi> (for both votes)
[08:40] <ochosi> even in CAPS :)
[08:40] <knome> exactly, anybody who has actually read the original message but post their "vote" nonetheless (and are not a team member) are just plain ignorant
[08:40] <knome> or, and this is the more likely option, they didn't read it
[08:41] <Unit193> knome: Sure I do, but as that didn't work, does listing people help or no?  Granted, you're always going to get some no matter what.
[08:41] <knome> ochosi, discarded
[08:41] <ochosi> anyway, as a more general rule, we could set up a template message that quickly explains why a message was moderated/discarded
[08:41] <knome> Unit193, i didn't..
[08:42] <knome> ochosi, these are very rare occasions really
[08:42] <Unit193> * Read this whole message, I don't always read all of them.  More so if I think it came from another list. >_>
[08:42] <ochosi> something generic like "This is a team-only vote. Your message has been discarded. Create a new thread if you want to discuss something else."
[08:42] <knome> most of the time the accident has already happened
[08:42] <knome> this is an edge case where we were able to prevent the accident from happening
[08:42] <ochosi> yeah, guess that's true
[08:42] <knome> it's literally the first time
[08:42] <ochosi> :)
[08:43] <knome> Unit193, that just proves that no matter what we said, people are going to be ignorant
[08:43] <knome> and that there is no way to stop them from posting except an all-moderated list, which people were against before
[08:44] <knome> ochosi, should we set a vote for the next meeting about the strategy document?
[08:45] <knome> elfy, i postponed survey 2, because clearly we should wait until we've done the moves for 15.10
[08:47] <ochosi> knome: is that about the SD change where we remove the developer paragraph or something else?
[08:47] <knome> ochosi, no, this is about the seeds and composition part
[08:47] <ochosi> oh right, yeah got it
[08:47] <knome> the developer paragraph is gone
[08:47] <ochosi> sounds good to me
[08:48] <ochosi> yeah, i was distracted by other stuff there
[08:48] <knome> ok, good, i'll add it to the agenda
[08:48] <knome> no worries
[08:48] <knome> just going through the open work items..
[08:50] <ochosi> thanks knome
[08:50] <knome> np
[08:50] <knome> i'm procrastinating real work
[08:51] <ochosi> yeah, i should get back to that now
[08:51] <knome> specifically writing an offer :P
[08:51] <knome> back to procrastinating? sounds good.
[09:28] <brainwash> bluesabre: the last xfdesktop update for trusty (SRU) triggered an automatic crash report. any news on this? did all users get the update despite the report?
[09:30] <brainwash> bug 1415683
[09:31] <brainwash> should the fix be backported?
[09:31] <brainwash> + https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfdesktop4/+bug/1335492/comments/58
[10:16] <elfy> knome: yup, ty
[10:30] <brainwash> could xubuntu opt out of "One Hundred Papercuts"? alberto tends to add it to the affects list of many bug reports, but there really seems to be no benefit
[10:35] <elfy> not sure if we can opt out - possibly someone could ask him to not do it
[10:44] <slickymasterWork> yeah, I'm also under the impression that's not a possibility
[10:45] <slickymasterWork> but he does seem to be all over the place
[10:45] <brainwash> the project idea is not bad, but adding all these "easy" to fix bugs does not seem to help much
[10:46] <brainwash> most of our bugs are not trivial or require packaging skills
[10:58] <elfy> can we not just untag them?
[11:04] <elfy> didn't we have this conversation with him a while back?
[11:07] <slickymasterWork> wasn't that ^^^ about is fixation with emoticons in m/l instead elfy?
[11:09] <elfy> no pretty sure we did something re our bugs
[11:10] <elfy> brainwash: do you remember that?
[12:24] <knome> i vaguely remember something like that
[12:24] <knome> wasn't it about the black background bug?
[12:51] <knome> ochosi, are there some bugs in the bugs blueprint that you aren't planning to fix?
[12:52] <knome>  [xubuntu-qa] Create rolling base release note wiki: INPROGRESS
[12:52] <knome> elfy, can't that considered to be done?
[12:52] <knome>  [xubuntu-qa] Exploratory testing information to testers via ML: INPROGRESS
[12:52] <knome> elfy, what's the status of that? since we only have a few days left, is it realistic that it's actually just postponed?
[12:52] <ochosi> knome: yes, there are, i guess i should go over them with bluesabre to decide what to unlink
[12:53] <knome> elfy, or do you consider it done?
[12:53] <knome> ochosi, fwiw, you can link them to the umbrella blueprint, and they won't show up at status.u.c
[12:53] <knome> ochosi, that way you can still keep a list of things that you want to move onto the next cycle
[12:53] <ochosi> yeah, i'll still discuss this with him first
[12:53] <knome>  [xubuntu-qa] Review and correct testcase as required (re-check Xfce4.12): INPROGRESS
[12:53] <ochosi> but good to know
[12:53] <knome> elfy, that?
[12:54] <ochosi> bluesabre: maybe we can talk about the remaining open bugreports attached to our v-bugs blueprint sometime on the weekend and move those we won't fix somewhere else
[12:55] <knome> pleia2, if you want to print the first batch of flyers on a print shop, you can do that with the current files already... the thing i need to iron out is related to home printers without FB-modes
[12:55] <knome> ochosi, should probably unlink invalid ones
[12:56] <knome> looks like it's again around 10% that didn't get done
[12:57] <ochosi> some of those are upstream bugs that won't get easy fixes
[12:57] <ochosi> i'm actually quite happy with what we accomplished this cycle
[12:57] <knome> sure, i was referring to the whole lot of blueprints, not bugs only
[13:09] <elfy> knome: could possibly have been tghe black screen thing
[14:32] <mrkramps> a wekk or something ago, i reported keyboard media keys not being recognised on my system … well, i shoud not have diabled them, so … just forget about it
[14:34] <ochosi> :)
[14:34] <ochosi> it happens
[14:37] <mrkramps> xinput lists the media keys as seperated device in pointers AND keyboard and i incidentely disabled them in mouse and touchpad setting … just took me some days to find aut :S
[20:58] <slickymaster> okie doke brainwash, done
[21:42] <bluesabre> ochosi: here only briefly, but I will probably be around for a bit tomorrow
[21:43] <Unit193> Oki.
[21:43] <bluesabre> !info xfdesktop4 trusty
[21:43] <bluesabre> brainwash: yes, all sources seem to indicate that 4.11.8 is still rolled out to everyone in trusty, and yes, it would probably be good to get them a fix
[21:44] <Unit193> !info xfdesktop4 trusty-updates
[21:44] <Unit193> !info xfdesktop4 trusty-proposed
[21:44] <bluesabre> the bot seems to look at -updates
[21:44] <bluesabre> http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty-updates/xfdesktop4
[21:44] <bluesabre> vs http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/xfdesktop4
[21:46] <brainwash> bluesabre: is it worth the effort? could be yet another package which gets stuck in -proposed for weeks/months
[21:46] <bluesabre> trusty is supported for quite a bit longer than that, so yeah
[21:46] <bluesabre> crashes are annoying
[21:47] <Unit193> Wait, anyone cares about trusty?
[21:47] <brainwash> I think it's a silent crash, or not visible due to the crash recovery mechanism of xfce4-session
[21:47]  * bluesabre does
[21:48]  * slickymaster also
[21:48] <Unit193> upstart*
[21:49] <brainwash> some trusty users may be annoyed by the icon reset regression, and there is a patch available upstream (or 4.12.1)
[21:50] <bluesabre> let's gauge how bad it is and determine what we want to backport
[21:50] <bluesabre> I gotta run now, bbabl
[21:50] <brainwash> it mainly affects people with many desktop icons and/or slow systems
[21:51] <brainwash> so, it's bad
[21:52] <brainwash> bluesabre: a good start would be to pick the patches and let affected users test it, then got for the SRU


[03:10] <Caer> I created a tango-like icon for Irssi (or any command-line IRC app) : http://caerbazar.free.fr/terminal-muc.svg (48x48)
[03:12] <Caer> should I work to have it included in humanity-icon-theme? and if so, what resolution should I work on?
[03:14] <Caer> I would also love to make more application specific icons, would that be useful?
[03:16] <Caer> (now off to bed)
[08:25] <zniavre> good morning
[08:26] <zniavre> with maverick how is managed the smal arrow into indicator-me for running aplications   (before it was inside the icon theme but now i can't find where its placed) ?
[08:29] <zniavre> application-running.png *
[08:56] <vish> troy_s: nah.. i was thinking of reviving the artwork team/ML.. seems we are doing nothing .. especially last cycle nothing was done ..  and there was talk about alpha wallpapers earlier but nothing seems to have been put into action.. i'm planning on writing a mail to the list to know if people are interested in doing anything...
[08:56] <vish> oops troy isnt here :(
[08:57]  * darkmatter gently pats vish
[08:57] <vish> :)
[08:58] <vish> Caer: hi.. i'm one of the authors for humanity..  we dont include app specific icons in humanity.. we try not to change branding of the apps.. you could try sending the icon to the main authors/debian maintainers of the package ..
[08:59] <vish> Caer: not sure what irssi app 'muc' refers to though..
[09:00] <Caer> hi vish
[09:00] <Caer> by muc I meant any multi user chat or IM program
[09:00] <vish> ah..
[09:00] <Caer> I tried to make a generic icon, like htop and gnome-monitor have
[09:01] <vish> Caer: ok.. i noticed it does look generic but is the icon used? is that a generic icon name  ?
[09:02] <vish> Caer: i mean a standard icon name that applications fallback to?
[09:02] <Caer> no, I just made it and don't work on any application
[09:03] <vish> Caer: ok, so there would be no point in including it in the theme, if its not used .. :)
[09:03] <Caer> fine, but why would developers reference an icon that doesn't exist ?
[09:04] <Caer> Should I try to convince irssi to ship it first ?
[09:04] <vish> Caer: yup..
[09:04] <Caer> ok, thanks
[09:04] <vish> Caer: or try to get it included as a new generic icon name in gnome-icon-theme
[09:05] <Caer> directly on launchpad, or through a ML?
[09:05] <vish> Caer: there was already a similar concept put forward for gwibber/twitter  icon
[09:06] <vish> Caer: you can file a bug gnome-icon-theme  in bugzilla.. but i doubt they would include it though.. [not trying to discourage you , but just letting you know]
[09:07] <Caer> no problem, and thank you
[09:07] <Caer> any idea of other needed icons I could work on?
[09:07] <vish> Caer: very rarely new icon names are added to gnome-icon-theme.. you get asked a lot of questions.. if it is really required, will any app dev use it.. is any app dev interested in using it.
[09:07] <vish> Caer: for humanity?
[09:08] <Caer> (i'm not sure of the limits between Humanity and gnome-icon-theme)
[09:08] <Caer> but yes, for example
[09:08] <darkmatter> g-i-t = "we're to lazy to make icons, so don't propose any" ;)
[09:08] <vish> hehe ;)
[09:09] <vish> Caer: usually new app icon names are requested by the application devs.. and icons get done.. not the other way around..
[09:09] <vish> thats how it works in gnome..
[09:10] <vish> Caer: if you are looking to work on humanity.. its pretty late for Maverick, we are past UI freeze. so not much going to change now...
[09:11] <vish> Caer: also , since there is a call for a new icon theme ideas, not sure if humanity will be the default for Natty..
[09:12] <vish> Caer: you can work on gnome icons.. they still have a lot of Hi-resolution icons they want to complete
[09:12] <vish> Caer: and gnome icons are not going away anytime soon ;)
[09:13] <Caer> as long as everyting is Tango-like, that's fine
[09:14] <Caer> thanks for all of your suggestions, and I understand that I should wait for the next cycle
[09:14] <Caer> And I'm going for gnome-icon big sizes, and try to get irssi to ship terminal-muc :)
[09:15] <vish> np.. :)
[09:16]  * darkmatter needs cookies :/
[09:18] <thorwil> doctormo, kwwii: how did this happen? http://ubuntu-free-culture.deviantart.com/  vs  http://ubuntu-artists.deviantart.com/gallery/25667683
[09:21] <vish> thorwil: doctormo is an evil genius, thats why ;)
[09:22] <vish> thorwil: afaik , they both discussed it and i think it was merged..
[09:23] <thorwil> vish: i guess the wallpaper thing on flickr works because the barrier to entry is very low (and because a lot more people do photos than drawings/illustrations)
[09:23] <thorwil> vish: i hope the empty group can be deleted
[09:24] <thorwil> vish: the countdown banner thing likely works because it's a well defined task with deadline
[09:24] <vish> thorwil: yeah.. it should have been.. we lack a little organization...  we need co-ordiation.
[09:25] <vish> co-ordination
[09:25] <thorwil> vish: both benefit from being official, not being the idea of just some guy in the community. this provides a sense or security/reliability
[09:26] <thorwil> there's also the aspect of visibility. work in the open encourages more work
[09:26] <vish> exactly!!!
[09:27] <vish> thorwil: i'm still not sure why doctormo started the group as ubuntu-artists rather than ubuntu-artwork ...  he did announce that group on the artwork ML.. i think he might have over looked it.. but for now i'm still sticking with "doctormo is an evil genius part" ;p
[09:27] <thorwil> vish: so to revive the team/ml, you should care about visibility, clear tasks and deadlines, official endorsement
[09:28] <vish> thorwil: yeah.. first we need to know *if* people are interested.. no use putting in work when on one is subscribed there .. or we need to think of better ways to get the message out...
[09:29] <thorwil> vish: the deviantart concept is called "Groups". it's not gallery, channel or collection. the group contains artists, so ...
[09:29] <thorwil> vish: first asking if people are interested leads nowhere
[09:30] <thorwil> there's no motivation, no commitment
[09:31] <vish> maybe.. but we need to try asking too.. atleast if there are a couple of people.. not saying we shouldnt organize .. irrespective of whatever goes on on the list, there needs to be organization..
[09:31] <vish> thorwil: i spoke to the xubuntu/kubuntu people too , xubuntu needs help.. so we can include theme too
[09:32] <vish> kubuntu changes very little from upstream.. so they are happy.
[09:32] <vish> them*
[15:42] <Thingymebob> Not sure about this, replaced hi-color launcher icons in my panel with some freshly created mono ones to match the notification area http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/will.bickerstaff/SomeStuff
[15:42] <Thingymebob> Think they now look like they belong there?
[15:50] <thorwil> yes
[15:58] <Thingymebob> cool, maybe I'll make some more for common apps


[14:17] <delfick> hi, does anyone know how to fix function keys on a samsung x460 ??
[14:18] <delfick> I've tried layout options in keyboard preferences, tried googling..... running out of ideas....


[10:15] <brainwash> bluesabre: https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/acpi-support/+bug/1054299/comments/56
[10:19] <brainwash> I did not look into this any further cuz I was waiting for someone else to test the patch
[10:19] <brainwash> that was one month ago though


[01:37] <ghengis> im using xubuntu 11.10 and in file manager when i browse files/folders i can only see the datestamp, i want to also see the time
[01:38] <ghengis> i clicked on config columns but dint see anything for time
[01:42] <toz> ghengis, Edit->Preferences->Display tab
[01:42] <toz> Change date format
[01:45] <ghengis> yay! thx toz google wasnt helping me
[04:46] <Guest16911> hi
[04:47] <Snake1131> hi
[05:38] <xubuntu828> hi can i get a little help?
[05:38] <xubuntu828> anyone?
[05:38] <baizon> !ask | xubuntu828
[05:39] <xubuntu828> how to install xubuntu after i download it from website (i need it on windows xp)
[05:40] <baizon> xubuntu828: burn in on a cd
[05:40] <baizon> boot from cd and install
[05:40] <baizon> but first run a live session and shrink your existing hard drive
[05:40] <baizon> so you can use both, xubuntu and windows xp
[05:41] <baizon> xubuntu828: more here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot
[05:41] <baizon> this one is good too: http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/dual-boot-windows-7-ubuntu.html
[05:42] <xubuntu828> the download comes in a winrar file do i extract and burn evrything thats in it oto a cd?
[05:43] <baizon> xubuntu828: burn it using imgburn or cdburnerxp
[05:43] <baizon> when you got the iso
[05:45] <xubuntu828> what exactly is iso? the download comes with many files in it( sorry for foolish questions)
[05:46] <baizon> yes
[05:46] <baizon> this files need to be burned on the cd
[05:46] <baizon> you download 1 file
[05:46] <b00010111> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_image
[05:46] <baizon> this is an iso
[05:46] <baizon> thanks b00010111
[05:47] <xubuntu828> thank you very much my mistake was extracting the files from winrar i was doing the burning process incorrectly
[05:48] <b00010111> xubuntu828 follow this guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto
[05:49] <b00010111> you should be able to find advice there
[05:51] <xubuntu828> thanks everyone, i was very doubtful but u guys helped allot
[05:51] <baizon> np
[05:51] <b00010111> np
[06:11] <xubuntu828> xubuntu froze on the bootloader screen any ideas why?
[06:13] <xubuntu828> xubuntu froze on the bootloader screen any ideas why?
[06:16] <xubuntu828> xubuntu froze on the bootloader screen any ideas why? please i need help i think i screwed my laptop
[06:19] <xubuntu828> @baizon do u maybe know the problem to freezing at bootloader?
[06:43] <aperjan> xubuntu froze on the bootloader screen any ideas why?
[06:48] <astraljava> aperjan: Sadly, no. Please pastebin /var/log/syslog and the output of dmesg. If it's a graphics issue (yes I understand we don't know, yet), also the /var/log/Xorg.0.log could be helpful.
[08:39] <thauriswulfa> How do I open webdisk in xubuntu? Tried thunar but nothing happens after authentication.
[08:39] <thauriswulfa> webdisk-webdav
[08:43] <well_laid_lawn> thauriswulfa: it's old but should work http://www.howtoforge.com/davfs_ubuntu
[08:44] <thauriswulfa> well_laid_lawn: I am trying Gigolo but its connecting from several minutes and still not connected:-(:-/
[08:57] <xubuntu201> why is xubunu freeze on the boot screen?
[11:53] <pimperle> hi
[11:54] <pimperle> if i select "sans" from the font list in xubuntu, what font will that be?
[11:54] <pimperle> where is configured what "Sans" means?
[11:57] <pimperle> its neither ubuntu sans, dejavu sans, droid sans. Choosing those changes the font. however I'd like to avoid having to check all fonts and would also like to know (for curiosity) where the setting comes from
[13:30] <PrivateReese> hey guys does somebody know how to keep the system language english but switch to german keyboard and  regional formats?
[13:32] <baizon> PrivateReese: yes
[13:33] <baizon> system ->language
[13:34] <PrivateReese> there is no language in system there is only a language support in settings
[13:39] <baizon> yes this is it
[13:39] <baizon> go there
[13:39] <baizon> and change your format and keyboard layout
[13:39] <baizon> my system is in english and german keyboard + Euros :)
[13:40] <PrivateReese> yeah i was there but oversaw to install german =)
[13:41] <baizon> ok
[13:48] <PrivateReese> do you maybe also know how to switch and configure displays quick with xrandr or how to quickly set shortcut keys like crtl-L
[14:48] <xubuntu912> hello
[14:48] <xubuntu552> hello
[14:49] <xubuntu552> i have previously installed xubuntu on a number of machines and i appreciated to have a lot of options in the settings menu
[14:49] <xubuntu552> now i am installing it on a sony vaio, and i seem to have very few options
[14:49] <xubuntu912> i have an old pc hp portable and i wont to know if i can install
[14:49] <xubuntu912> xubuntu
[14:49] <xubuntu912> Desktop, Alternate
[14:49] <xubuntu912> i dont know
[14:49] <xubuntu552> only drivers, bluetooth, input method, keyboard, etc
[14:49] <xubuntu912> and 32 bit or 64 bit
[14:50] <xubuntu552> 64 bit
[14:50] <xubuntu552> desktop
[14:50] <xubuntu552> us keyboard
[14:50] <xubuntu912> i'm italian boy
[14:50] <xubuntu912> my english is bad
[14:50] <xubuntu552> ok, we seem to have 2 conversations going at once...
[14:51] <xubuntu912> i have hp 6110 portable of 2004
[14:51] <Unit193> xubuntu552: Try checking in the settings manager.
[14:51] <Unit193> !it
[14:52] <xubuntu912> ok
[14:52] <xubuntu912> thancks
[14:53] <xubuntu552> ok, i see what i need in the settings manager, thanks, but i wonder why the layout has changed
[14:53] <Unit193> It's changed back to that format in 12.10 (or will have)
[14:54] <xubuntu552> ok, thanks
[17:13] <xubuntu662> Good evenings in here :p
[17:14] <blackgatonegro> Hi
[17:15] <xubuntu662> Think I did something wrong when making partitions - ill have to see that when it comes up :/
[17:15] <blackgatonegro> try using gparted
[17:15] <xubuntu662> made a swap - a /home and a /  - and then I left like 180gb free :D
[17:15] <blackgatonegro> well
[17:15] <xubuntu662> just installing right now :p
[17:15] <blackgatonegro> you can expand a particion
[17:16] <xubuntu662> is there some good "howto" do to it correct?
[17:16] <xubuntu662> I know what I want, but not able to know how to do it correctly
[17:16] <blackgatonegro> boot with ubuntu cd, pick particion, select "check"
[17:17] <blackgatonegro> on gparted
[17:19] <xubuntu662> Still installing :\
[17:37] <drc> Anyone (in the US) able to verify their cable subscription and register for the Olympics Live  @  http://www.nbcolympics.com/  ?
[17:38] <blackgatonegro> what that does have to do with xubuntu?
[17:39] <pleia2> yeah, that's pretty far off-topic ;)
[17:39] <drc> Because I can do it with Salix but not U/Xubuntu
[17:40] <pleia2> ah
[17:40] <blackgatonegro> tried with firefox or opera?
[17:41] <drc> it you want I can take this to OT
[17:41] <drc> Tried with FF Chromium and midori
[17:42] <drc> what happens is I can go thru the process but then insread of going to a "Your ready to watch"
[17:42] <drc> screen, I goes back to the "start the process" screen
[17:42] <drc> er...You're, sheesh :(
[17:43] <blackgatonegro> try with opera
[17:43] <drc> Don;t lioke opera
[17:43] <blackgatonegro> if opera does not work, then it does not work under linux
[17:43] <drc> blackgatonegro: It <does> work under linux...Works fine with Salix
[17:44] <blackgatonegro> ok
[17:44] <blackgatonegro> maybe xubuntu is missing some libraries
[17:44] <Unit193> Opera works on Xubuntu, if that's the question.
[17:45] <drc> blackgatonegro: It also doesn't work with SolusOS and Ubuntu...I was wondering if it was a Debain thing?
[19:30] <xubuntu692> I'm trying to install Xbuntu but the installation stops in the middle ANd I have the message : "The Installer has encountered... A desktop session will be open to investigate the problem." And it goes to the liveCD version. What Should I do now?
[19:53] <ochosi> xubuntu692: what is the part of the message that you replaced by three dots?
[20:12] <greasegum> hey fellas and dames.
[20:12] <march> hi@all
[20:12] <Barnabas> hi there
[20:12] <caytchen> hey, my xubuntu system only works through the guest account. can I somehow gain root from the guest interface? tried su but apparently i'm not allowed to do anything even when I supply the correct password.
[20:13] <Barnabas> boot of a usb device and edit the relevant user /group files?
[20:13] <greasegum> When I click on a panel icon to minimize I can't click to restore right away. I have to focus another window, then click the panel icon to restore. This is completely maddening.
[20:14] <caytchen> no usb device anywhere.
[20:14] <Barnabas> caytchen, really? what kind of hw
[20:14] <caytchen> well sure the thing has USB but I don't have a suitable stick to do that :o
[20:15] <Barnabas> cdrom/dvd/blueray will do to
[20:15] <caytchen> can't i just boot directly into a shell without the X stuff?
[20:15] <Barnabas> emergency shell yes
[20:15] <caytchen> how would that work?
[20:15] <Barnabas> press shift while booting
[20:15] <caytchen> thanks, I will try that
[20:15] <Barnabas> grub should show up and you can select emergency da di da da
[20:19] <greasegum> anyone know how to get panel icons to act right?
[20:20] <Barnabas> hmm define "right" :-)
[20:22] <Barnabas> if you have installed a regular ubuntu and then added xubuntu - it is not the same as installing xubuntu
[20:22] <Barnabas> I realized that today
[20:22] <Barnabas> am on a freshly installed xubuntu
[20:22] <Barnabas> fantastic system compared to the general suckyness of gnome-shell and unity in particular
[20:24] <Marzata> I install xubuntu, and after that LXDE and xmonad.
[20:25] <greasegum> interesting, I never thought that would be an issue
[20:25] <greasegum> yah I despise unity. such a waste of screen for one thing
[20:27] <Barnabas> I despise it due the the utter crap it is handling multiple monitors
[20:27] <greasegum> do you run compiz?
[20:27] <Barnabas> why does the launch bar HAVE to be on the right most monitor ..
[20:27] <Barnabas> yeah compiz
[20:28] <Barnabas> believe on a default xubuntu install it is std
[20:28] <Barnabas> to run with a composite manager
[20:28] <greasegum> I want to do a fresh install, but I don't want to reconfigure... :\
[20:28] <Barnabas> backup home/etc?
[20:28] <Barnabas> nuke your system and copy files back
[20:29] <greasegum> that's an idea
[20:29] <Barnabas> I did that today
[20:29] <Barnabas> 1½ to 2 hours
[20:29] <Barnabas> to much hacking and too many upgrades of the old system
[20:30] <greasegum> still have to reinstall all packages, though...
[20:30] <Barnabas> you can do a dump of what you have installed and use it for reinstall
[20:31] <greasegum> using synaptic?
[20:31] <Barnabas> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=261366
[20:31] <Barnabas> pretty simple
[20:32] <Barnabas> you may be able to with synaptic also
[20:32] <Barnabas> but I would not know the correct procedure for that
[20:33] <greasegum> it's tempting. I'm a sucker for a fresh install.
[20:35] <Barnabas> I usually keep important data "in the cloud" so reinstalling a pc is trivial
[20:35] <Barnabas> ubuntu one is your friend
[20:37] <greasegum> this dpkg > file is supa clever :D
[20:37] <greasegum> thanks, cheers
[20:41] <Barnabas> very handy- yes
[21:25] <xubuntu918> hello, anyone knows a exposé program that i can use on xubuntu,(compiz fails to redraw and keeps showing when is resizing  the windows) that i can use with my middle click?
[21:41] <xubuntu709> why is everyone so chatty?
[21:44] <Ruby_Pinch> hey, do you know if there is a global menu for xfce, i'm trying it but without it i feel somehow lost
[21:53] <Barnabas> Ruby_Pinch, uppermost left corner ?


[01:08] <sabdfl> witing for mdz
[01:11] <mdz> sabdfl: yes?
[01:11] <sabdfl> let's talk about releasing right away
[01:12] <sabdfl> elmo's asleep, and deserves it, i am happy to go without him unless he said anything about having more to do before release
[01:12] <sabdfl> we can wake him up if there's a /.'ing
[01:12] <mdz> he said nothing to me
[01:12] <sabdfl> or, unless anything thinks he'd be upset to miss it
[01:12] <Kamion> I haven't done my usual battery of testing yet, it took unexpectedly long to rsync everything
[01:12] <Kamion> but there's been plenty of other testing this time round
[01:12] <sabdfl> he's key to the mirroring thing, but i expect he will be up before the major news sites are carrying the story
[01:13] <sabdfl> one advantage to releasing now is catching the full day's news on US tz's
[01:13] <mdz> even on EST it's only 0715
[01:14] <mdz> but if you want me to send out the announcement, it's either soon (stay up a bit) or much later (sleep)
[01:15] <sabdfl> i'm happy to announce now, have kamion watching it for the next 8 hours while you sleep, then you covering it
[01:15] <Kamion> ok, shall I copy to release dirs?
[01:16] <sabdfl> any objections to a release now?
[01:16] <Kamion> my install-i386 test is still running, but hey :-)
[01:16] <sabdfl> eta till that's done?
[01:17] <mdz> sabdfl: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DraftHoaryPreviewAnnouncement has seen some tweaks; you want a final review before I paste it into email?
[01:17] <Kamion> coupla minutes
[01:17] <sabdfl> mdz: has everyone had a chance to add their tech pieces
[01:18] <sabdfl> ?
[01:18] <Kamion> I'm still unconvinced about claiming "multimedia ready"
[01:18] <sabdfl> i think the preview should be aimed at developers
[01:18] <Kamion> that was something sivang added IIRC
[01:18] <mdz> it's seen a bunch of revisions
[01:18] <mdz> I haven't really tracked them
[01:18] <mdz> Kamion: I agree, that's a bit shady
[01:18] <sabdfl> can i add python 2.4?
[01:18] <sabdfl> editing now
[01:18] <mdz> about the only multimedia feature we have out of the box is Vorbis playback
[01:19] <sabdfl> let me say vorbis playback then
[01:19] <Kamion> what are we going to do with http://www.ubuntu.com/download/?
[01:19] <Kamion> it has a load of direct links to warty images at the moment
[01:20] <mdz> sabdfl: we had that in warty, too, of course
[01:20] <mdz> let's not link to /download/ at all in this announcement
[01:21] <Kamion> although only some of the links are warty-specific, some would cover both
[01:21] <Kamion> it's a bit of a mess
[01:21] <Kamion> mdz: we do kind of have to link somewhere ...
[01:21] <Mithrandir> could we drop the multiple exclamation marks, pretty please?
[01:21] <mdz> Kamion: link directly to cdimage
[01:21] <Kamion> Mithrandir: meh, yeah
[01:21] <Kamion> mdz: well, releases.u.c
[01:21] <mdz> yes, please
[01:21] <mdz> Kamion: right
[01:21] <sabdfl> what's the link? i've got the Big Plone Lock
[01:22] <Kamion> http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/ (does not yet exist)
[01:22] <Kamion> it'll be hoary-preview-*
[01:22] <sabdfl> just that link should be enough then
[01:22] <mdz>  /hoary/ ?
[01:22] <mdz> or /hoary/preview/ ?
[01:22] <Kamion> with the same "select a CD" page that's on /warty/
[01:22] <Kamion> mdz: this is what we did for warty preview
[01:22] <mdz> hmm, ok
[01:23] <Kamion> please don't make me reorganise releases.u.c *again* :-)
[01:23] <sabdfl> works for me
[01:23] <sabdfl> Kamion: sydney :-)
[01:23] <Kamion> cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/preview/ is organised thus
[01:23] <Kamion> releases.ubuntu.com exists with the express purpose of being simpler
[01:23] <Kamion> because sabdfl wanted it that way :)
[01:23] <sabdfl> any other changes?
[01:23] <mdz> sabdfl: s/apt-get.org/& and more/ ?  we've imported stuff from other sites as well
[01:23] <Kamion> install-i386 is good
[01:24] <Kamion> er
[01:24] <Kamion> sabdfl: drop the "and DVD" please, near the top
[01:24] <ogra_live> sabdfl: there will be a lot of stuff in universe not yet on apt-get org for release (hula, php5 etc)
[01:24] <Kamion> we decided not to do DVDs for preview
[01:24] <sabdfl> my sed-fu isn't so good.. does that mean s/apt-get.org/apt-get.org and more/
[01:25] <Mithrandir> sabdfl: yes
[01:25] <Mithrandir> & is "replace with what the replacement matched"
[01:25] <Kamion> ok, about to publish: going ...
[01:25] <Kamion> going ...
[01:26] <Kamion> gne
[01:26] <Kamion> +o
[01:27] <Kamion> drama is marginally less effective when misspelled
[01:27] <mdz> sabdfl: you want the announcement to go anyplace besides ubuntu-announce?
[01:27] <sabdfl>  /hoary/ not found
[01:27] <sabdfl> Kamion: yes, adds that essential Dr Evil component, though
[01:27] <sabdfl> mdz:  /.?
[01:28] <mdz> sabdfl: do they have an email submission address?
[01:28] <mdz> I thought someone had to submit through the webiste
[01:28] <mdz> website
[01:28] <sabdfl> no, got to do it manually, maybe let's NOT submit it
[01:28] <Kamion> sabdfl: /hoary/ will be there in a bit, it takes it a while to copy and then to md5sum THE WORLD
[01:28] <sabdfl> lwn, distrowatch et yes
[01:28] <sabdfl> Kamion: and the UNIVERSE?
[01:29] <mdz> wow, we're >100 points ahead on the 3-month distrowatch
[01:29] <mdz> sabdfl: lwn is subscribed to -announce, that seems to be how they prefer to do it
[01:29] <mdz> I can copy them as well, but there isn't much point
[01:30] <fabbione> after tomorrow we will be way more than that :-)
[01:30] <sabdfl> ok, -announce is fine for now then
[01:30] <Kamion> sabdfl: fortunately little does not mirror universe ;-)
[01:30] <mdz> is there a distrowatch equivalent to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:31] <mdz> ah<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:32] <mdz> they don't seem to be on -announce, so I'll CC them
[01:32] <Kamion> mdz: just to confirm, daily/20050310.2 and daily-live/20050310, right?
[01:32] <mdz> though they pick up stuff from our discussion lists very quickly
[01:33] <Kamion> i.e. targets of */current
[01:33] <mdz> yes, unless you did another build when I wasn't looking
[01:33] <Kamion> nope :-)
[01:33] <mdz> whatever matches the md5sums in preview/
[01:33] <Kamion> preview/ is what I'm creating at the moment
[01:34] <mdz> whatever you mirrored to preview and then rm -rf'd earlier, then :-)
[01:34] <Kamion> oh god it's re-md5summing .pool/warty-*, sigh, I must fix that to be more intelligent
[01:34] <mdz> f1e7bf00ced6e10db4cad8fb9c33d2f6  hoary-install-amd64.iso
[01:34] <mdz> 0f04de0a00e922cda2e6c49c37eceb7f  hoary-install-i386.iso
[01:34] <mdz> 1281b9ae6bd527e7d236eb8e44e8c84e  hoary-install-powerpc.iso
[01:34] <thom> ouch
[01:34] <Kamion> or else it gets slower for every release we do :-)
[01:35] <Kamion> still, faster to do this than to rewrite the publish script on the fly
[01:35] <mdz> 1bef5179a459a07c9e4320127193ae69  hoary-live-amd64.iso
[01:35] <mdz> 022b6e193cf8c95e943c97bb94c03d00  hoary-live-i386.iso
[01:35] <mdz> etc.
[01:36] <mdz> is what I tested
[01:36] <Kamion> ok, good
[01:36] <mdz> sabdfl: waiting for you to save the announcement
[01:37] <sabdfl> Kamion: /hoary/ still not found
[01:37] <mdz> md5summing THE WORLD
[01:38] <Kamion> sabdfl: we're not there yet :-)
[01:38] <Kamion> going as fast as I can
[01:38] <sabdfl> mdz: i'm saved
[01:38] <sabdfl> time to upgrade little :-)
[01:38] <Kamion> nah, time to fix scripts ;)
[01:38] <sabdfl> i was thinking
[01:38] <sabdfl> releases will grow linearly
[01:38] <sabdfl> moores law is exponential
[01:39] <mdz> "the preview of their second release - Ubuntu 5.04 Preview"?
[01:39] <sabdfl> in theory, time should decrease after some future release
[01:39] <sabdfl> 5.04-preview
[01:39] <sabdfl> you have the lock
[01:39] <Kamion> the linear growth is only an artifact of me md5summing everything rather than just the new stuff
[01:39] <ogra_live> hmm, shouldnt the hoary description also read "matured" ?
[01:39] <sabdfl> i was just taking issue with a very technical point in the long term :-)
[01:40] <sabdfl> (12:34:48) Kamion: or else it gets slower for every release we do :-)
[01:40] <Kamion> that was referring to me currently md5summing warty+hoary
[01:40] <mdz> I guess it can't hurt to metnion preview twice
[01:40] <mdz> to avoid "Ubuntu 5.04 is released!!11"-itis
[01:41] <mdz> sabdfl: "I must fix that to be more intelligent...or else..."
[01:41] <sabdfl> Kamion: yes, but if the cd size to be md5summed grows linearly, and system speed grows exponentially, then at some point time will start to decline
[01:41] <Kamion> fortunately CD size cannot grow linearly :-) but DVD size might; md5summing all that all over the place will be a laugh
[01:41] <Kamion> but yes, you're right :)
[01:42] <mdz> I've copied the draft announcement
[01:42] <sabdfl> i suppose we might switch to dvd-only releases at some point
[01:42] <mdz> and fixed the double !!
[01:42] <Mithrandir> mdz: thanks
[01:42] <mdz> standing by
[01:42] <Kamion> lr-x------    1 cjwatson warthogs       64 Mar 10 12:41 3 -> /srv/cdimage.no-name-yet.com/www/simple/.pool/warty-install-amd64.iso
[01:42] <Kamion> sigh
[01:43] <Kamion> and one of those days we need to un-nny little
[01:43] <Kamion> s/those/these/
[01:44] <mdz> nny.com will be with us 4-ever
[01:45] <sabdfl> not least, when we spin off new business ideas, we can use nny
[01:45] <sabdfl> for old times sake
[01:45] <fabbione> sabdfl: eheh cool idea :)
[01:47] <Kamion> hm, we'll want live torrents
[01:47] <mdz> we have them already
[01:47] <Kamion> not in simple/hoary/ we don't
[01:47] <Kamion> for some reason it only torrents the install CDs automatically, that's a bug
[01:47] <sabdfl> mdz: need to ping cliff for a new splashscreen
[01:47] <mdz> it doesn't copy the ones you already generated?
[01:48] <sabdfl> i think we could make it really nice with the new look
[01:48] <Kamion> no, I wasn't sure if they were URL-dependent or what
[01:48] <Kamion> and I can't rely on having torrents for dailies anyway
[01:48] <Kamion> oh, besides, the ones in releases.u.c have "Ubuntu CD releases.ubuntu.com" as the comment
[01:48] <mdz> sabdfl: he has made some, but they were sort of left behind by the last-minute desktop changes
[01:48] <sabdfl> mdz: should we put the .torrent url's directly in the announcement?
[01:49] <mdz> sabdfl: tough call
[01:49] <sabdfl> let's do it
[01:49] <mdz> 6 URLs is too many to pack in there, I'd say
[01:49] <sabdfl> can i edit again?
[01:49] <mdz> edit away, I'm branched already :-P
[01:49] <sabdfl> ok, have it your way :-)
[01:49] <sabdfl> i suppose the directory listing will include the torrents?
[01:49] <Kamion> yes
[01:49] <sabdfl> so people will use them when our bandwidth is maxed
[01:49] <mdz> - it's a lot of URLs
[01:50] <mdz> - not everyone can use the .torrent, and those who can't will be confused
[01:50] <sabdfl> fuck, i forgot to bump up our ceiling
[01:50] <sabdfl> will do it for final
[01:50] <mdz> - if we don't list them all, we'll have to choose which architectures
[01:50] <mdz> sabdfl: how much advance notice do they need?
[01:50] <sabdfl> mdz: not much
[01:50] <sabdfl> i don't think there's actually a cap on there
[01:50] <Kamion> 'k, syncing
[01:50] <sabdfl> but it might result in a bill
[01:50] <Kamion> (to mirrors)
[01:51] <mdz> sabdfl: if there is, it's >=200mbit
[01:51] <sabdfl> we've hit 300mbit before easily
[01:51] <sabdfl> and for final i'd not be surprised if we crack 500
[01:51] <sabdfl> that's like a CD every 10 seconds
[01:51] <sabdfl> like a virtual mako
[01:51] <mdz> elmo said we would receive no bill for bursting
[01:52] <mdz> so I assume we'll just get out-competed at some point
[01:52] <sabdfl> in general i've held them to that
[01:53] <sabdfl> ok, just left a voicemail for the guy, so he doesn't get the WTF experience
[01:53] <Kamion> come on, mirnyy, you can do it
[01:53] <sabdfl> mdz: take a nap, we'll call when little is done :-)
[01:53] <sabdfl> ah, mirnyy
[01:53] <Kamion> little's done, it's all the rsyncs now
[01:54] <mdz> aren't those syncing from little?
[01:54] <thom> torrents should be up
[01:54] <Kamion> although will need another sync-mirrors run 'cos I forgot to update the releases.ubuntu.com index, but that should be quick
[01:54] <Kamion> mdz: yeah
[01:54] <mdz> surely little is the bottleneck
[01:54] <sabdfl> !!! w00t
[01:54] <Kamion> but I stop regarding it as little's responsibility :)
[01:54] <sabdfl> sorry, premature exclamation
[01:55] <fabbione> that "w00t" looks so much to the one that was in the apache build process....
[01:55] <fabbione> was that coming from you sabdfl ?
[01:56] <Kamion> I thought that was netgod's fault
[01:56] <sabdfl> cosmic ray, synapse
[01:56] <mdz> is that the one that echoed a bell to the terminal too?
[01:56] <Kamion> oh, it's still doing http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/preview/, hmm
[01:56] <mdz> man I hated that
[01:56] <Mithrandir> mdz: you have beeps on?
[01:57] <Kamion> bind 'set bell-style none'
[01:57] <fabbione> mdz: ????
[01:57] <Treenaks> xset b off :)
[01:57] <fabbione>
[01:57] <mdz> you people are crazy
[01:57] <fabbione> ^^this ring a bell
[01:57] <mdz> no
[01:57] <fabbione> it should...
[01:57] <mdz> I'm talking about debian/rules which would do echo ^G
[01:57] <mdz> I thought it was apache
[01:57] <fabbione> no no
[01:58] <fabbione> last i did was to use figlet to tell users to die .. or something like that
[01:58] <fabbione> can't remember
[01:58] <mdz> maybe openssl
[01:58] <Mithrandir> hoary i on releases.u.c
[01:58] <mdz> something which got a lot of security updates :-P
[01:58] <Kamion> ok, it's up
[01:59] <mdz>  /hoary/ needs to say "preview" somewhere in big bold letters
[01:59] <mdz> in the title as well
[01:59] <mdz> right now it just says 5.04 and looks final
[01:59] <sabdfl> yes, need a <title> and <h1> that include PREVIEW
[01:59] <Kamion> mdz: title changed, better suggestions welcome
[01:59] <mdz> maybe we should call the preview 5.03 :-)
[02:00] <sabdfl> mdz: did think of that
[02:00] <sabdfl> i think 5.04-preview is better
[02:00] <Kamion> hm, that <h1> looks crap
[02:01] <sabdfl> t's good enough for me
[02:01] <sabdfl> anything else to be done?
[02:01] <mdz> sabdfl: should I change the announcement text to say 5.04-preview instead of "5.04 Preview"?
[02:01] <sabdfl> Kamion: could you update the ReleaseChecklist with notes from today's glitches?
[02:01] <sabdfl> mdz: yes please
[02:01] <Kamion> downgraded the other headings a notch
[02:01] <mdz> I made sure that the line doesn't wrap between 5.04 and preview :-)
[02:01] <mdz> ok, done
[02:01] <sabdfl> Kamion: better. take back what i said about text-boy
[02:01] <Kamion> :-)
[02:02] <sabdfl> are we ready?
[02:02] <mdz> ready
[02:02] <sabdfl> Kamion: ?
[02:02] <Kamion> sabdfl: I've updated my to-do list to fix the md5summing, I think everything else was OK
[02:02] <Kamion> ready
[02:02] <sabdfl> mdz: nazhmitye pazhalusta balshoi krasnuyu knopku.
[02:03] <mdz> is that zulu for "send the damn email already"?
[02:03] <sabdfl> russian
[02:03] <Kamion> looks Russian to me
[02:03] <Kamion> use Cyrillic script :-)
[02:03] <sabdfl> please press the big red button
[02:03] <Kamion> LOL
[02:03] <mdz> sent
[02:03] <sabdfl> 'cept i think my cases are all shot to hell
[02:03] <sabdfl> well done everybody
[02:04] <sabdfl> !! w00t (sorry fabbione)
[02:04] <fabbione> ahhaha
[02:04] <fabbione> why sorry with me?
[02:04] <sabdfl> mdz: would you like to announce to the irc channels too?
[02:04] <Kamion> hm, actually, yeah, there are a couple of releasechecklist items
[02:04] <sabdfl> ok
[02:04] <mdz> will do
[02:04] <sabdfl> Kamion: while you're there, could you put the artwork one week before in UPPER CASE and BOLD?
[02:05] <mdz> waiting for the announcement to show up in the list archive so I can link to it
[02:05] <Kamion> sabdfl: absolutely :-)
[02:06] <Kamion> sabdfl: done
[02:08] <sabdfl> ok
[02:08] <sabdfl> now, where are those bandwidth charts :-)
[02:11] <fabbione> ehhehe
[02:12] <ogra_live> elmo prmised them to me in mataro....havent seen them yet though :)
[02:16] <mdz> sabdfl: I can get to them
[02:18] <sabdfl> mdz: privmsg acess details?
[02:18] <thom> is there anything sysadminy required for the release?
[02:21] <Kamion> thom: not sysadminy, but would you mind verifying the preview jigdos?
[02:24] <thom> sure, it'll take about 5 mins
[02:32] <thom> Kamion, amd64 jigdo iso worked fine
[02:33] <Kamion> cool, thanks
[02:33] <thom> powerpc iso is building as i speak
[02:47] <thom> Kamion: x86, powerpc jigdos look good
[03:32] <Kamion> thom: thanks


[02:28] <glpinkston> hello   I am trying to install the latest version of java on to my command line server so that I can get a certain program running.   What would be the best way to do that?   Is there a apt-get to get this working?
[02:28] <lifeless> apt-get install java-jre
[02:28] <lifeless> erm sorry
[02:28] <lifeless> apt-cache search jre
[02:28] <lifeless> that will list the available jre's for you
[02:33] <glpinkston> thank you very much.   Trying to get subsonic working and was having problems with  1.6 java