[12:07] <crimsun> erm, I keep forgetting it may not seem logical if you don't have a software engineering background, sorry
[12:09] <LaserJock> but I managed to get a spec approved, I'm happy about that
[12:10] <LaserJock> takes a bit more than I thought
[12:11] <crimsun> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeatureSpecifications is fair
[12:12] <crimsun> have a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_development_process if you're not familiar with it
[12:22] <hub> uh ohj
[12:22] <hub> http://packages.ubuntu.com/ <- the tab for Edgy point to Dapper
[12:22] <LaserJock> oops
[12:22] <fowlduck> dum dum DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUM!!! (cue scary music)
[12:23] <hub> time to go
[12:26] <crimsun> hub: it's the diabolical scheme that Edgy Doesn't Yet Exist.
[12:26] <fowlduck> oh the humanity
[12:37] <Toadstool> yiha France's just won the semi-final!!!
[12:50] <raphink> Toadstool: _just_ won? tu as un lag sur ta tl ? ;)
[12:51] <Toadstool> raphink: non non mais j'ai tran un peu dans le bar o j'tais, c'tait un peu le bordel pour sortir :)
[12:51] <raphink> ah oki
[12:51] <raphink> :)
[12:51] <raphink> bon allez au lit
[12:51] <Toadstool> bonne nuit
[12:52] <raphink> merci
[01:26] <ryanakca> grrr... is there a way to set REVU up not to display e-mails? ex: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2439
[01:26] <ryanakca> my email is now in google, and now I just had a kaboom in spam. (~1 per month to 25 in 3 days...)
[01:27] <mukund> ryanakca: i get > 100 every day
[01:27] <mukund> because i have my<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:27] <mukund> and everybody with that first name thinks he owns the account
[01:27] <ryanakca> :)
[01:27] <mukund> and hands out the address to others, subscribes it to all sorts of junk, etc.
[01:27] <mukund> i don't use it for mail anymore
[01:27] <bluefoxicy> um
[01:27] <tseng> Spam Happens (TM)
[01:27] <tseng> get a filter
[01:27] <bluefoxicy> I thought I re-uploaded pax-utils a day or two ago
[01:28] <ryanakca> tseng: eh hunh
[01:28] <bluefoxicy> it hasn't hit revu, is this automated or is somebody doing this every week or what
[01:28] <mukund> tseng: gmail comes with a filter.. but the spam is random in this case.. even legit mails for those firstname guys are spam for me
[01:29] <crimsun> bluefoxicy: did you reupload the entire source package?
[01:29] <bluefoxicy> crimsun: whatever "dput pax-utils_0.1.13-0ubuntu1_source.changes" does
[01:29] <tseng> depends on how you built it
[01:29] <crimsun> bluefoxicy: did you build it with -sa?
[01:29] <bluefoxicy> I built it with -S -rfakeroot
[01:30] <crimsun> that's why
[01:30] <bluefoxicy> ok, I'll try again.
[01:30] <crimsun> -S -sa -rfakeroot [...]
[01:30] <bluefoxicy> damnidt
[01:30] <bluefoxicy> I typed my password into the gpg agent
[01:31] <bluefoxicy> Already uploaded to revu.tauware.de
[01:31] <bluefoxicy> Doing nothing for pax-utils_0.1.13-0ubuntu1_source.changes
[01:32] <crimsun> remove the .upload
[01:33] <crimsun> or use -f
[01:33] <bluefoxicy> Uploading via ftp pax-utils_0.1.13-0ubuntu1.dsc: Error '553 Could not create file.' during ftp transfer of pax-utils_0.1.13-0ubuntu1.dsc
[01:33] <bluefoxicy> *thud*
[01:34] <crimsun> sorry, not a REVU admin
[01:34] <bluefoxicy> yeah.  I'll wait.
[01:34] <ajmitch> try again
[01:35] <bluefoxicy> I need to figure out that orig.tar.gz thing, I'm sure it doesn't want a thousand copies of that uploaded.  At least it says it doesn't.
[01:36] <ajmitch> yes it does
[01:40] <bluefoxicy> ok I'll just wait for that to go through then.
[01:43] <ajmitch> please join https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-universe-contributors/+members
[01:46] <bluefoxicy> ... okay o.o
[02:35] <mankey> the new amarok packages, from http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-141, are similar to the ones in http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-latest/, or are they more stable?
[02:35] <mankey> i mean, is the former repo more official than the latter?
[02:35] <crimsun> "more official"? No.
[02:36] <mankey> crimsun: then why did i get a rss from kubuntu.org earlier today?
[02:36] <mankey> crimsun: as though it's something new
[02:37] <mankey> crimsun: oh, so for more stability i need to wait for a backports version?
[02:38] <crimsun> mankey: http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-latest/ should point to the latest. In this case, it's http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-141/
[02:39] <crimsun> mankey: so "no, one is not more official than the other" since they're identical.
[02:39] <Laser_away> crimsun: you use KDE?
[02:39] <crimsun> Laser_away: I use all the desktops in some fashion
[02:40] <crimsun> sound doesn't care what DE is being used. It's either functional and audible, or it's broken.
[02:40] <Laser_away> heh, do you have a primary one? I thought you used KDE a lot but couldn't remember
[02:41] <crimsun> I use screen mostly, followed by GNOME/KDE/whatever
[02:42] <LaserJock> cool, similar here
[03:58] <Hobbsee> hi all
[03:59] <zul> hey
[04:00] <LaserJock> hi Hobbsee
[04:03] <Hobbsee> hey zul and LaserJock :)
[04:03] <TheMuso> Hey Hobbsee.
[04:03] <Hobbsee> hi TheMuso
[04:09] <ajmitch> afternoon all
[04:09] <Hobbsee> hi stranger
[04:11] <scundi> hi all, any word on when the next 'revu day' is?
[04:12] <LaserJock> I think people are working on it
[04:12] <scundi> organising a day?  ahh ok
[04:13] <scundi> how does it work, is it a meet on irc, or real life...
[04:13] <LaserJock> that and MOTUs trying to work through the review
[04:13] <Hobbsee> presumably that'll be after all the syncs and all that?
[04:13] <Hobbsee> a lot of revu stuff currently is merges, iirc...
[04:13] <LaserJock> just a day for MOTUs can focus on REVU
[04:13] <LaserJock> there are a lot of NEW packages on REVU
[04:14] <Hobbsee> scundi: not in real life
[04:14] <LaserJock> we need to focus on stuff that will be affected by UVF since that is on the 13th
[04:14] <scundi> rightio, ta
[04:14] <scundi> what's uvf?
[04:14] <LaserJock> Upstream Version Freeze
[04:15] <LaserJock> that point at wich we don't take new upstream versions and the automatic merge/sync process stops
[04:15] <LaserJock> scundi: wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[04:17] <LaserJock> imbrandon: ping?
[04:17] <imbrandon> ping
[04:17] <imbrandon> err pong
[04:17] <imbrandon> lol
[04:17] <LaserJock> whatever, you're alive
[04:17] <imbrandon> heh yea , and kickin tonight wasup bro ?
[04:18] <imbrandon> oops just noticved the PM
[04:18] <imbrandon> i dont see queriers easy , one sec
[04:22] <bluefoxicy> crud
[04:23] <bluefoxicy> more font packages are screaming at me
[04:25] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:26] <ajmitch> hello bddebian
[04:26] <bddebian> ajmitch!!!    How frightening.. :-)
[04:44] <Hobbsee> hehe.
[04:44] <Hobbsee> bddebian: in multiple places, yes.
[04:45] <ajmitch> bddebian: learn to never get on the wrong side of Hobbsee
[04:45] <bddebian> Aye
[04:45] <Hobbsee> you mean ther'es a right side?
[04:46] <TheMuso> Of course there is. :)
[04:47] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:47] <LaserJock> gotta be
[05:34] <zakame> hi all
[05:34] <Hobbsee> hi zakame!
[05:38] <bddebian> Heya zakame, jsgotangco
[05:44] <zakame> heya Hobbsee bddebian
[05:44] <zakame> back home now
[06:16] <imbrandon> moins zakame
[06:17] <bddebian> Heya imbrandon
[06:17] <imbrandon> heya db
[06:17] <imbrandon> err bddebian
[06:17] <imbrandon> heh
[06:17] <imbrandon> damm tab complete ;)
[06:17] <bddebian> heh
[06:44] <bddebian> Gnight folks
[08:21] <Hobbsee> anyone around to upload to universe?  maybe Gloubiboulga?
[08:22] <raphink> Hobbsee: when are you going to go to TB ?
[08:22] <crimsun> we're around, but the daemon's down.
[08:22] <Hobbsee> raphink: no idea
[08:22] <Hobbsee> crimsun: ah ok, so it's down for everyone then.
[08:22] <crimsun> i.e., no one will be able to upload
[08:22] <Hobbsee> yeah
[08:22] <Hobbsee> what on earth is with this package.
[08:23] <Hobbsee> dpkg-source: error: file knmap_2.1.orig.tar.gz has size 1705099 instead of expected 1705259 <-- odd.  think this one's having trouble.
[08:30] <Hobbsee> raphink: dont know when i'm going to TB - probably when it's at a sane time.
[08:30] <shawarma> Hobbsee: did you download that from the archive?
[08:31] <Hobbsee> shawarma: yeah, i grabbed the debian current, which fixed the package whihc had been packaged wrongly in the previous version.  it's wokring now :)
[08:31] <shawarma> Hobbsee: If the info in the .dsc doesn't match the files, something is very wrong somewhere.
[08:32] <shawarma> Hobbsee: I see. Nevertheless, the orig.tar.gz should be the same in Ubuntu and Debian.
[08:32] <Hobbsee> shawarma: i think i was grabbing the debian.dsc against the ubuntu .orig.tar.gz, cos it was repackaged
[08:32] <Hobbsee> as it was originally bz2'd
[08:32] <crimsun> err, don't do that.
[08:32] <crimsun> that's usually where the discrepancy arises
[08:32] <Hobbsee> crimsun: tht's what grab-merge grabbed.
[08:33] <crimsun> it grabbed the bz2?
[08:33] <Hobbsee> crimsun: no, but the last version was a bz2 from upstream, so ubuntu repackaged it
[08:33] <Hobbsee> so the ubuntu dsc wouldnt have the same size as the now later released .tar.gz?
[08:33] <crimsun> same orig.tar.gz filename?
[08:34] <Hobbsee> crimsun: i believe so
[08:34] <crimsun> yeah, you'll need to grab the orig.tar.gz from Ubuntu, then
[08:34] <Hobbsee> once the bz2 was converted, of course it was
[08:34] <Hobbsee> crimsun: if i'm requesting a sync for this anyway, wont all of the ubuntu stuff be ignored, and the debian unstable package be brought to ubuntu?
[08:35] <crimsun> Hobbsee: if the same orig.tar.gz version is used, then only the diff.gz, dsc, and source.changes will be
[08:35] <Hobbsee> hmmm.
[08:36] <Hobbsee> that's what i suspect, anyway.
[08:36] <Hobbsee> oh man, do they always have TB meetings at 2000UTC?
[08:38] <robitaille> Hobbsee,  yes
[08:38] <Hobbsee> oh grr.
[08:38] <Hobbsee> pity
[08:40] <Hobbsee> raphink: that's the answer then.  when i'm really really awake.
[08:40] <Hobbsee> early
[08:42] <dholbach> good morning
[08:43] <Hobbsee> dholbach: i've been merging :)
[08:43] <dholbach> i noticed! :)
[08:50] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:50] <Hobbsee> dholbach: i saw i only had two merges for june!  shameful!
[08:50] <Hobbsee> s/june/july
[08:50] <jsgotangco> i have none at all!
[08:51] <Hobbsee> crimsun: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/knmap/+bug/52053
[08:51] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 52053 in knmap "[Edgy MoM]  Please sync version 2.1-1 from Debian Sid" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]
[08:51] <Hobbsee> crimsun: thanks
[08:51] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco: bad!  :P
[08:53] <crimsun> Hobbsee: I'm pretty sure they can't take the orig.tar.gz
[08:53] <Hobbsee> crimsun: well, bleh, okay.
[08:55] <crimsun> Hobbsee: go ahead and reject it, then do the merging manually, pretending there's a real delta.
[08:55] <Hobbsee> crimsun: argh, drat.  debian and ubuntu versions of the same file are really both different sizes.
[08:55] <crimsun> so it'll be 2.1-1ubuntu1
[08:55] <Hobbsee> crimsun: oh does that end up working?
[08:55] <crimsun> well, yeah, it won't be a sync from the archive's perspective, but it will be a sync for all practical purposes
[08:55] <Hobbsee> crimsun: what happens next version then?
[08:56] <crimsun> Hobbsee: you have to continue this fake syncing until the next orig.tar.gz
[08:56] <crimsun> Hobbsee: like 2.1a, 2.1.1, or 2.2, ...
[08:56] <Hobbsee> crimsun: right, yep.  so i take ubuntu's orig.tar.gz, and effectively sync it?
[08:56] <crimsun> then you can request a proper sync from Debian
[08:57] <crimsun> well, you'll have to actually merge the changelog entries.
[08:57] <Hobbsee> right
[08:57] <Hobbsee> yeah
[09:00] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: http://www.buntudot.org/2006/07/06/buntudotorg-radio-podcast-2/  posted ( with LaserJock Interview )
[09:00] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: nice okay :)
[09:18] <\sh> moins
[09:25] <shawarma> Anyone care to take a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2555 ?
[09:31] <shawarma> Hmm... guess not. :-)
[09:31] <crimsun> shawarma: in debian/copyright, the phrase "Any code not declared GPL is free for all uses" is ambiguous
[09:32] <shawarma> crimsun: It's taken directly from the source file.
[09:32] <crimsun> please ask for clarification if the author{,s} are reachable
[09:32] <shawarma> How is it ambiguous?
[09:33] <crimsun> for the precise reason that "free for all uses" does not explicitly state what precisely that freedom entails
[09:33] <spacey> you might as well relicense it to gpl then, all code is GPL :p
[09:34] <crimsun> are those portions public domain? are they free but with some restriction like "you can't use this code to assassinate presidents"?
[09:34] <shawarma> I'm not sure I see what you mean. Could you give an example of what you're not sure would be allowed? It makes it easier for me when phrasing the question to upstream.
[09:35] <shawarma> hmm... I don't see how you could possibly be in doubt as to whether or not it'd be allowed to assassinate presidents with it when it says "free for all uses"..
[09:36] <crimsun> free for all uses doesn't cover for-profit
[09:36] <crimsun> it also doesn't cover redistribution of source and/or binary
[09:37] <crimsun> the reason is that "free for all uses" is so contextually loaded
[09:43] <shawarma> I suppose.
[09:53] <Toadstool> good morning everybody
[10:43] <shawarma> crimsun: I just thought of something. Since the version of dcraw included in rawstudio also includes the GPL parts, the rest must effectively be GPL, right?
[10:45] <crimsun> shawarma: the rest of what?
[10:45] <shawarma> crimsun: the rest of the source code.
[10:45] <crimsun> according to the copyright, it is GPLed
[10:46] <crimsun> the only thing that /may/ be an issue is the wording "free for all uses", which simply needs to be clarified.
[10:46] <crimsun> that's it.
[10:46] <shawarma> Right. I'll figure something out. thanks for your help!
[10:48] <crimsun> np
[12:07] <screeb> Hi!
[12:09] <screeb> I am trying to package e-smith for ubuntu (originaly desinged for CentOS)
[12:09] <screeb> The changelogs I have doesn't match the debian standards
[12:10] <dholbach> hi screeb
[12:10] <screeb> Anyone knows what I should do (rewrite all the changelogs?)
[12:10] <dholbach> what do you mean by that?
[12:11] <dholbach> debian/changelog is maintained separately of ChangeLog, CHANGES or whatever the upstream changelog is called
[12:14] <screeb> so debian/changelogs should only deals with the changes I made?
[12:14] <tseng> yes.
[12:14] <screeb> ok :)
[12:14] <tseng> one entry per revision
[12:15] <dholbach> install devscripts and use    dch -i -Dedgy
[12:16] <screeb> ok, thanks
[01:39] <AnAnt> I have a problem with packaging, the Makefile has this line: install -m 4711 file destdir
[01:40] <AnAnt> which sets the file with +s mode
[01:40] <AnAnt> now, after I create the deb package & install it, the file is not in that mode, why is that ?
[01:41] <Toadstool> dh_fixperms removes the sticky bits
[01:41] <Toadstool> use -X option if you really want it
[01:41] <ogra> but consider thrice if you really need it ...
[01:41] <Toadstool> indeed
[01:41] <AnAnt> ok
[01:41] <AnAnt> thanks
[01:47] <AnAnt> ok
[01:51] <AnAnt> thanks
[01:54] <AnAnt> ok, I the package I am adding, I see that mandrake has added some stuff to it, am I allowed to import that or not ?
[02:15] <zul> hey
[02:38] <AnAnt> in the Common mistakes
[02:39] <AnAnt> it says that I should NOT change the source tarball even if the directory layout is not in package-version format
[02:40] <AnAnt> I did that but when I run debuild I get this tarball: package_version-revision.tar.gz
[02:42] <dholbach> move the originial tarball to package_version.orig.tar.gz
[02:42] <phanatic> hi people
[02:42] <dholbach> unpack it, add debian/ dir, then   debuild -S
[02:42] <dholbach> that will give you a nice .diff.gz
[02:43] <AnAnt> oh yes, I found my mistake
[02:43] <AnAnt> I named it package-version.orig.tar.gz instead of _ !
[02:43] <AnAnt> thanks
[02:53] <lionelp> Does somebody have time to review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2615 ?
[02:54] <phanatic> lionelp: i'll have a look
[02:54] <lionelp> thanks phanatic
[02:54] <phanatic> cool package name btw ;)
[02:54] <dredg> ha. hahaha. oh god.
[02:55] <dredg> try not to restart *that* flamewar that hot-babe caused on debian-devel :)
[02:55] <lionelp> :)
[02:55] <lionelp> phanatic: it's a cool software used by my collegues, so i decided to package it :)
[02:56] <phanatic> nice :)
[03:03] <phanatic> i'd rather see real women tho ;)
[03:03] <lionelp> :)
[03:04] <phanatic> lionelp: just a small issue, see my comments :)
[03:06] <lionelp> Ok, thanks
[03:06] <Mithrandir> lionelp: you're aware that the package has been deemed inappropriate in the past?
[03:06] <lionelp> hum... no :)
[03:06] <Mithrandir> it has.
[03:07] <lionelp> Ok, so we have to forget it, right ?
[03:07] <Mithrandir> yes, please.
[03:07] <lionelp> No problem !
[03:08] <Mithrandir> cheers.
[03:12] <jsgotangco> heh
[03:12] <phanatic> oops :)
[03:48] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:48] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian
[03:48] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee
[03:48] <bddebian> Hobbsee: I see you got knights working :-)
[03:48] <Hobbsee> bddebian: yeah.  somehow.
[03:48] <Hobbsee> bddebian: oh yeah, now i remember....
[03:49] <Hobbsee> bddebian: ajmitch had suggested taking one of the sets of double brackets out in the rules, then it worked fine.
[03:49] <bddebian> Nice
[03:50] <zakame> hi gang
[03:50] <phanatic> hey bddebian, Hobbsee, zakame :)
[03:51] <Hobbsee> hi phanatic and zakame
[03:51] <zul> hi zakame
[03:51] <bddebian> Hi zakame, phanatic, zul
[03:51] <zul> hey
[03:52] <zakame> heya phanatic Hobbsee zul bddebian
[03:52] <bddebian> heh
[03:52] <Hobbsee> @ hi zul
[03:52] <Hobbsee> too many Z names.
[03:53] <zul> yes we are taking over
[03:54] <zul> its a cult
[03:54] <zul> like girl guides
[03:56] <bddebian> Nice, another desktop file gets added in Debian
[04:03] <Sp4rKy> hey motus
[04:04] <Sp4rKy> today i start packaging of torsmo and autoscan :)
[04:09] <zakame> hmm what's the current merging procedure now?  Do I still follow the old procedure in Dapper?
[04:10] <ajmitch> see topic - general practice is grabbing merges where you last touched the package, afaik
[04:12] <zakame> well I just saw MOTU/merges and its still very much the old process, just confirming
[04:19] <Hobbsee> zakame: merge-o-matic makes merging a lot easier
[04:22] <tseng> Hobbsee: I still dont use MoM
[04:22] <tseng> i am old school
[04:23] <Hobbsee> tseng: i never said you had to, i said it makes it easier (often, anyway) :P
[04:23] <jsgotangco> ajmitch: don't be so harsh on zakame, he's $2500 richer now
[04:23] <tseng> I used to do it completely from memory when I was the only guy doing mono
[04:23] <jsgotangco> which is a *LOT* of money here
[04:25] <ajmitch> poor zakame
[04:26] <zul> party at zakame's place
[04:30] <bddebian> tseng: Me either, it's a pain :-)
[04:31] <tseng> bddebian: finally, someone agrees
[04:31] <bddebian> I think it's more steps that grabbing the Debian package and manually merging in our changes :-)
[04:31] <Sp4rKy> checking for XOpenDisplay in -lX11... no
[04:31] <Sp4rKy> checking for XdbeQueryExtension in -lXext... no
[04:31] <Sp4rKy> what must i add to B-d ?
[04:32] <tseng> libx11 libxext?
[04:32] <Sp4rKy> libx11-dev && libxext-dev, isn't it ??
[04:32] <tseng> right.
[04:35] <zakame> ajmitch, zul: lol
[04:36] <bddebian> Go Sp4rKy, go Sp4rKy ;-)
[04:37] <Sp4rKy> bddebian, thx :)
[04:37] <Sp4rKy> bddebian, i'm packaging torsmo
[04:37] <Sp4rKy> i've a few strange issue ...
[04:39] <Sp4rKy> bddebian, checking for XOpenDisplay in -lX11... no
[04:39] <Sp4rKy> checking for XdbeQueryExtension in -lXext... no
[04:39] <Sp4rKy> what package must i include ?
[04:40] <AnAnt> I need help regarding patches
[04:40] <AnAnt> in the Ubuntu help it says, that if I am to modify anything in the source , I should put it in debian/patches
[04:41] <AnAnt> I did the steps
[04:41] <AnAnt> all until putting the patches list in 00list
[04:41] <AnAnt> now, how do I instruct the debian packager to apply those patches ?
[04:42] <bddebian> Sp4rKy: Didn't tseng just answer you? :-)
[04:42] <Sp4rKy> oups, i didn't see
[04:43] <Sp4rKy> but is it libx11 or libx11-dev ?
[04:43] <tseng> -dev
[04:43] <tseng> and you figured it out for yourself
[04:43] <bddebian> AnAnt: Depends on the packaging system.  If it's dpatch, it should get picked up automagically if its in 00list
[04:43] <tseng> why ask twice?
[04:43] <bddebian> :-)
[04:43] <Sp4rKy> tseng, bddebian i've already add them to B-D but doesn't work any more
[04:44] <tseng> then you should ask us about that
[04:44] <AnAnt> bddebian: I did use dpatch
[04:44] <AnAnt> bddebian: but when I ran pbuilder it did not apply the patches
[04:44] <Sp4rKy> tseng, sorry :(
[04:46] <AnAnt> bddebian: so I shouldn't add anything in the rules file ?
[04:46] <Hobbsee> AnAnt: dpatch is a build-dep, isnt it?
[04:46] <bddebian> AnAnt: If it has ../foo/bar/dpatch.mk in the rules, no.  Do you know that any of the patches are getting applied?
[04:47] <AnAnt> Hobbsee: yes, it is in Build-Depends
[04:48] <AnAnt> bddebian: no it does not have any dpatch in the rules file
[04:49] <hub> there is no mugshot package in edgy?
[04:52] <AnAnt> bddebian: so how should I add it ?
[04:57] <bddebian> AnAnt: If you are using CDBS, add the following line to rules:  rules/dpatch.mk
[04:57] <bddebian> With the proper path of course
[04:58] <AnAnt> what if I used debhelper ?
[04:58] <azeem> AnAnt: dpatch has documentation on how to use it in debian/rules AFAIK
[04:58] <bddebian> Then you have use use somethign like dpatch apply-all
[04:59] <AnAnt> ic
[04:59] <AnAnt> thx
[05:06] <bddebian> Heya azeem
[05:06] <azeem> hi Barry
[05:12] <AnAnt> ok, I did that, I am getting this: applying patch 01_description to ./ ... failed.
[05:13] <bddebian> AnAnt: Then your patch is wrong :-)  Did you use dpatch-edit-patch to create it?
[05:13] <AnAnt> err, hang on, I think I know the mistake
[05:17] <Toadstool> re
[05:17] <bddebian> Heya Toadstool
[05:17] <Toadstool> hi bddebian
[05:23] <MadMan2k> I guess I should avoid installing things in /usr/local? (packaging gimp 2.3.10 right now)
[05:25] <AnAnt> I am getting an error when I run "dpatch call-all -a=pkg-info >patch-stamp" : 01_description.dpatch: script expects -patch|-unpatch as argument
[05:26] <bddebian> AnAnt: I don't think you need call-all but I am no dpatch expert
[05:26] <AnAnt> ok
[05:26] <AnAnt> ls
[05:26] <bddebian> :-)
[05:26] <zakame> MadMan2k: using stow might help
[05:29] <MadMan2k> right now im installing it to /opt and copying making gimp-2.3 in /usr/bin/ and /usr/share/applications
[05:33] <Sp4rKy> http://pastebin.ca/80570
[05:33] <Sp4rKy> this is my issue during pbuild of torsmo
[05:34] <bddebian> Sp4rKy: You are missing a build-dep somewhere
[05:35] <bddebian> Do you have xlibs-dev or whatever it is now?
[05:35] <Sp4rKy> i've added xlibs-deb , libx11-dev and libxext-dev
[05:35] <Sp4rKy> :)
[05:36] <Sp4rKy> i've added them :)
[05:36] <zakame> try looking for the old xlibs-split script somewhere, that also tells good x build-deps
[05:37] <Sp4rKy> xlibs-dev are needed
[05:37] <bddebian> This looks conspicuous:  gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.     -Wall -g -O2 -Wl,-z,defs -Wall -W -c x11.c
[05:37] <bddebian>  -I. -I. -I. ?
[05:38] <Sp4rKy> yeah
[05:38] <Sp4rKy> strange
[05:38] <bddebian> One of those should be -I/usr/include/X11 ?
[05:38] <Sp4rKy> but if i do ./configure && make &&make install , it works
[05:39] <hub> I have an app foo that builds its own libs
[05:39] <hub> can I name the package foo-libs ?
[05:41] <Sp4rKy> libfoo are better i think
[05:41] <zakame> hmm what are the .sos?
[05:42] <bddebian> zakame: Literaly .sos or .so ?
[05:42] <bddebian> Sp4rKy: Are you passing anything to make in your rules?
[05:43] <Sp4rKy> bddebian, only the defaut configuration created by dh_make
[05:43] <zakame> bddebian: .so
[05:43] <bddebian> That's doesn't help me any Sp4rKy :-)  $(MAKE) <what?>
[05:43] <bddebian> zakame: sonames
[05:44] <Sp4rKy> bddebian, only $(MAKE)
[05:44] <bddebian> Sp4rKy: Ah, OK
[05:44] <Sp4rKy> build-stamp:  config.status
[05:44] <Sp4rKy>         dh_testdir
[05:44] <Sp4rKy>         # Add here commands to compile the package.
[05:44] <Sp4rKy>         $(MAKE)
[05:44] <bddebian> Sp4rKy: How about configure?
[05:45] <Sp4rKy> config.status: configure
[05:45] <Sp4rKy>         dh_testdir
[05:45] <Sp4rKy>         # Add here commands to configure the package.
[05:45] <Sp4rKy>         CFLAGS="$(CFLAGS) -Wl,-z,defs" ./configure --host=$(DEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE) --build=$(DEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE) --prefix=/usr --mandir=\$${prefix}/share/man --infodir=\$${prefix}/share/info
[05:47] <Sp4rKy> bddebian, any idea ?
[05:47] <bddebian> zakame: It allows the library to point to different (correct?) versions.  So the app can always lookf ror libfoo.so  but libfoo.so may symlink to libfoo.so.1.2 or some such
[05:48] <bddebian> Sp4rKy: Are there any LDFLAGS in your rules?
[05:48] <Sp4rKy> no
[05:48] <Sp4rKy> only LDFLAGS
[05:49] <zakame> bddebian: erm I wasn't asking about sonames, I was asking about hub's app, in particular the names of the build libs
[05:50] <bddebian> Sp4rKy: ??
[05:50] <bddebian> zakame: Oh, hehe, sorry
[05:50] <bddebian> Oh, what are THE .sos, not what are .sos :-)
[05:51] <zakame> no prob :)
[05:51] <Sp4rKy> bddebian, no LDFLAGS in my rules, only CFLAGS
[05:54] <bddebian> Sp4rKy: Hmm, ok
[06:08] <zakame> great, done the first merge for apollon
[06:09] <zakame> was able to reduce the diff to go without the ecess POs
[06:14] <zakame> gn8
[06:14] <zakame> gn8/away zzz
[06:15] <bddebian> gnight zakame
[06:16] <bddebian> OK, this is invalid but is there a better way to do it other than to split it into multiple lines?
[06:16] <bddebian>         install -m 644 support/{mp3.conf,mp3_with_mysql.conf,mysql_schema} $(CURDIR)/debian/libapache-mod-mp3/usr/share/doc/libapache-mod-mp3/examples
[06:16] <bddebian> Not my code btw :-)
[06:17] <zakame> use $(shell foreach) ?
[06:18] <bddebian> zakame: ?
[06:18] <bddebian> Sorry my regexp foo sucks majorly
[06:19] <zakame> that's in make right? I suppose you can use a foreach-do-done snippet then
[06:19] <zakame> a bit longer, but a bit more readable
[06:20] <bddebian> No, this is debian/rules
[06:21] <zakame> you can still use that, its a makefile
[06:21] <Sp4rKy> bddebian, it works :)
[06:21] <bddebian> Sp4rKy: Excellent, what was it?
[06:21] <Sp4rKy> i've just add --x-libraries=/usr/include/X11 :)
[06:22] <zakame> anyhow gn8 really :D
[06:23] <Sp4rKy> bddebian, i've add --x-libraries=/usr/include/X11 to the configure target and it works correctly now :) thx for your help
[06:24] <bddebian> Sp4rKy: Gah, you fixed it, nice work :-)
[06:24] <bddebian> zakame: Gnight, thx
[06:46] <mitsuhiko> hoi
[06:47] <mitsuhiko> does anybody know if edgy will ship python2.5?
[06:48] <dholbach> daniel@lovegood:~$ apt-cache show python2.5
[06:48] <dholbach> Package: python2.5
[06:48] <dholbach> Priority: optional
[06:48] <dholbach> Section: universe/python
[06:48] <dholbach> ...
[06:49] <dholbach> see you later
[06:49] <dholbach> *wave*
[06:50] <phanatic> bye dholbach
[06:53] <bddebian> Later dholbach
[06:53] <dholbach> bye phanatic, bddebian
[07:05] <bddebian> w00t, another desktop file added in Debian..
[07:14] <Ramunas> Hello
[07:14] <Ramunas> was Opera added to ubuntu's repositories?
[07:15] <Erlang> sounds unlikely to me.
[07:15] <Ramunas> http://opera.com/pressreleases/en/2006/07/06/02/
[07:16] <Ramunas> By using the Ubuntu Add / Remove Programs feature, users can choose to install a wide variety of applications. This announcement continues the drive to ensure Ubuntu gives real choice and real flexibility as well as an easy to use interface that everyone can use.
[07:16] <Erlang> well, that's a recent announcment.  Give it some time.
[07:16] <Ramunas> i'm just really curious :)
[07:17] <ogra> it depends ... you should have dapper-updates enabled to get the last version of gnome-app-install and/or gnome-app-install-data
[07:18] <ogra> that will use the opera repo to install it automatically
[07:18] <Ramunas> so if user has updates lines in his sources.list uncommented he'll be able to install opera via apt-get?
[07:18] <Ramunas> did i get this right?
[07:19] <ogra> nope
[07:19] <Ramunas> please explain
[07:19] <ogra> if a user had updates enabled (which is the default) he will get new data for the add/remove feature that enables him to install opera with one click
[07:24] <Ramunas> thanks for explaining
[07:25] <Ramunas> and do you have any idea when will this happen?
[07:25] <Ramunas> its not yet avaible, isn't it?
[07:25] <ogra> should be in the next uptade of gnome-app-install-data
[07:25] <ogra> i run edgy here, so i cant verify if it has hit dapper :)
[07:25] <Ramunas> ah :)
[07:27] <Toadstool> re
[07:28] <Toadstool> could someone review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2621 please? :)
[07:28] <Ramunas> ogra: thanks for your answers, bye bye
[07:29] <bddebian> Toadstool: Give me a sec
[07:29] <mukund> offtopic: does anyone here have windows and can quickly check just 1 page for me in IE please?
[07:35] <bddebian> mukund: Sure
[07:47] <MadMan2k> I want to replace gimp from teh repositories with my own version but not split it up in gimp-data etc
[07:47] <MadMan2k> how can I avoid problems with other packages like xsane which depends on libgimp?
[07:48] <hub> MadMan2k: you have to have the same packaging
[07:48] <hub> MadMan2k: or you'll have to change all the packages
[07:48] <hub> alternatively using the "Provides" field in the control file
[07:48] <MadMan2k> cant I do something with Replace/ Provides?
[07:49] <hub> you will have to install it using apt anyway
[07:49] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[07:49] <LaserJock> hi bddebian
[07:50] <MadMan2k> could "Provides: libgimp2.0" do it, or does it ahve some version appended?
[07:50] <MadMan2k> *have to have
[07:51] <MadMan2k> but perhaps I'll just try to split it up - wanted to dig into this sometime anyway
[08:27] <bddebian> Toadstool: Sorry, test building now...
[08:47] <LaserJock> any Ruby people about?
[09:18] <bddebian> Damn REVU has a buttload of packages on it...
[09:20] <crimsun> this x transition is /fun/
[09:20] <crimsun> as in http://futurepast.free.fr/you-are-my-pony.png  fun
[09:21] <bddebian> heh
[09:21] <bddebian> Hi crimsun
[09:23] <crimsun> hi
[09:24] <LaserJock> I love crimsun's random pony pics
[09:25] <bddebian> I just love crimsun ;-P
[09:25] <bddebian> Heya dholbach
[09:25] <dholbach> hey bddebian
[09:27] <LaserJock> dholbach!
[09:27] <bddebian> LaserJock: Oh, I pinged panthera last night and he claims he is going to upload Scilab 4 this weekend
[09:28] <dholbach> hey LaserJock
[09:29] <LaserJock> bddebian: excellent, hopefully that is true
[09:29] <bddebian> Well I'll keep bugging the shit out of him :-)
[09:29] <LaserJock> good
[09:30] <LaserJock> I didn't pursue it
[09:30] <LaserJock> and it never got done so...
[09:31] <LaserJock> I'm currently building the MOTU Science lists-that-rock-the-world ;-)
[09:32] <bddebian> LaserJock: Cool, show me when you are done
[09:32] <LaserJock> k, check out http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/merge_list.html
[09:32] <LaserJock> and http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/all_list.html
[09:33] <LaserJock> I had to modify lucas' scripts to grab the new MoM reports
[09:34] <LaserJock> and I refreshed the lists for edgy, etc.
[09:34] <bddebian> Oh, cernlib can't be done yet
[09:36] <LaserJock> so MOTU Science now has 452 source packages :-)
[09:40] <bddebian> Nice
[09:42] <dredg> dholbach: hello
[09:42] <dholbach> heya dredg
[09:42] <dholbach> nice to see you again
[09:42] <dredg> :)
[09:42] <dredg> i've been spending all my time doing horrendous things to breezy :)
[09:43] <dholbach> haha - great :)
[09:44] <dredg> nearly at dapper though :)
[09:44] <dholbach> welcome to the future :)
[09:44] <dholbach> ... or something
[09:44] <bddebian> Bah, Dapper is old news.. ;-)
[09:45] <dredg> once dapper is done i can start looking at edgy. i reckon it'll be a month before I can do that though
[09:45] <sladen> LaserJock: what subset are those lists on your site of?
[09:46] <dredg> bddebian: yeah, yeah. it took me an age to figure out kerberos nfs breakage between breezy and dapper
[09:46] <LaserJock> that is Electronics, Math, and Science sections of the repos + misc. packages that are science related
[09:46] <LaserJock> sladen: oh, they come from the edgy repos
[09:47] <sladen> LaserJock: those scripts look useful, could they be put somewhere to generate the same information set for other packages
[09:47] <sladen> LaserJock: the information is actually presented in a useable form
[09:48] <LaserJock> sladen: yes, they come from lucas
[09:48] <dredg> dholbach: i just made a goobuntu usplash for dapper. i'm tempted to take awful photos and leak them to slashdot
[09:48] <LaserJock> sladen: wiki.ubuntu.com/MultiDistroTools , but I had to tweak them a little for edgy
[09:48] <dredg> they'd have to be really blurry and grainy, just to kick off the conspiracy theorists :)
[09:49] <dholbach> dredg: hahahaha - that'd be so cool!
[09:49] <LaserJock> sladen: http://tiber.tauware.de/~lucas/versions/ has more lists some of which are general to Universe
[09:59] <Toadstool> re
[10:01] <Toadstool> bddebian: the warning when building mmpython is normal, current dpkg doesn't know about the new python policy
[10:06] <dredg> dholbach: and it looks like i have to go to the next UDS :)
[10:06] <dredg> had intended to go to paris but managed to book 3 weeks in the US that overlapped.
[10:07] <dholbach> dredg: nice, i'm happy to see you there next time
[10:08] <dredg> sabdfl was in the office a couple of weeks ago and told me to go
[10:08] <dredg> liam (another guy working on goobuntu) managed to make it though
[10:08] <dholbach>  rock ' n ' roll :-)
[10:08] <tseng> goobuntu as in google?
[10:09] <bddebian> Toadstool: Ah, of course, silly me
[10:09] <dholbach> dredg: spread the rumour :)
[10:09] <Toadstool> bddebian: np :)
[10:09] <dredg> OMG NO COMMENTZ!!1
[10:09] <tseng> sigh
[10:09] <dredg> yeah, goobuntu as in google
[10:11] <dredg> no, it will never be released. yes, it's based on ubuntu. it's purely for google engineers though
[10:11] <tseng> yes, I am aware
[10:11] <dredg> just making sure ;)
[10:11] <tseng> I am not a frothing fanboy
[10:13] <bddebian> heh
[10:13] <bddebian> tseng: :'-(
[10:14] <dredg> i'll try and get some tshirts made up and bring them along
[10:18] <sladen> bddebian: WinFOSS
[10:24] <bddebian> heh
[10:25] <Toadstool> ping another motu than bddebian to review mmpython :)
[10:41] <crimsun> Toadstool: debian/copyright: mmpython should be (C) 2003-2005, not just 2003.  debian/mminfo.1: You'll want to capitalise "June".   ;-P
[10:46] <crimsun> Toadstool: the release dates for three latest releases
[10:46] <LaserJock> bddebian: yes, but he's doing MOTU reviewing so ...
[10:47] <LaserJock> he must have some other pony power for core-dev
[10:47] <Toadstool> crimsun: ok
[10:48] <Toadstool> do it and run faster than ever :)
[10:48] <jrib> Hi, for this package, I need to change the debhelper version to 5.07 but how would I know to do this?  Is it always just the version I have installed despite the fact the control file that got created had 4.0.0 in there?
[10:48] <jrib> this package=http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2511
[10:49] <LaserJock> jrib: you look at what the current version of debhelper is
[10:50] <dredg> Build-Depends: debhelper (>= current.version.of.debhelper) in your control file
[10:50] <bddebian> jrib: Change debhelper (>= 4.0.0) to debhelper (>= 5.0.x) in debian/control
[10:50] <LaserJock> I have 5.0.7ubuntu13 installed so I would use >= 5.0.0 and 5 in debian/compat
[10:50] <jrib> k, makes sense, thanks everyone
[10:55] <imbrandon> crimsun: dosent share his pnie power ;) ----> [04:42]  <crimsun> best picture ever. http://fridge.ubuntu.com/files/no-pony-for-you.jpg
[10:55] <tseng> damn right no pony for you
[10:55] <imbrandon> heh
[10:55] <imbrandon> moins everyone
[10:55] <Toadstool> hey imbrandon
[10:55] <LaserJock> hi imbrandon
[10:56] <imbrandon> heya LaserJock podcast posted if you dident already notice ;)
[10:56] <LaserJock> I saw it, haven't listened to it yet. I'm afraid that I'll sound way stupid :-)
[10:56] <Toadstool> bddebian, crimsun: feel free to advocate and upload mmpython now that I've applied what crimsun's advised me to do :)
[10:57] <imbrandon> hahahah nah it sound good , buut i'm a tad bias
[11:01] <crimsun> Toadstool: sure, make us use Find, eh?
[11:02] <Toadstool> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2622 here you have
[11:02] <Toadstool> :)
[11:02] <crimsun> done.
[11:02] <Toadstool> thanks
[11:03] <crimsun> np
[11:03] <bddebian> Damn, beat me to it
[11:04] <crimsun> you can upload if suits your ponies.
[11:04] <Toadstool> bddebian: it's up to you ;)
[11:08] <bddebian> Nah, screw you all now.. :-)
[11:08] <LaserJock> bddebian: now that isn't very CoCish ;-)
[11:08] <Toadstool> heh
[11:11] <bddebian> Toadstool: uploading
[11:12] <Toadstool> thanks bddebian
[11:14] <bddebian> Did persia / Emmet ever apply for MOTUship?
[11:14] <LaserJock> not sure
[11:14] <crimsun> he's not listed
[11:14] <LaserJock> there is a fairly big list at the ubuntu-dev LP page
[11:28] <bddebian> Grr, fscking maxima
[11:28] <LaserJock> hehe
[11:50] <bddebian> Later folks
[11:53] <LaserJock> cya bddebian
[11:56] <ajmitch> morning
[11:56] <TheMuso> Hey ajmitch.
[11:57] <jrib> hello
[11:57] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Still in AU?
[11:58] <ajmitch> TheMuso: yes
[11:59] <imbrandon> heya TheMuso and ajmitch
[11:59] <TheMuso> Hey imbrandon.
[12:02] <LaserJock> poor ajmitch ;-)
[12:02] <ajmitch> I know..
[12:03] <Toadstool> hi ajmitch


[05:05] <jamalta_> hi, does anyone know how i can get a reference to the default db user?
[05:06] <wgrant> jamalta: There isn't really a default user. What are you trying to do?
[05:12] <jamalta> wgrant: i'm writing a test that needs to create fake records to the karmacache table
[05:13] <jamalta> so i have to switch db users to one that has write access to that tab le
[05:13] <jamalta> table*
[05:13] <jamalta> and i need to switch back to the regular user after i'm done
[05:13] <jamalta> but i can't find how to get a reference to it
[05:13] <jamalta> wgrant: you can look at the diff here https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jamalta/launchpad/bug-127489/+merge/10785 to see what i'm doing exactly
[05:14] <wgrant> jamalta: Ah, I see.
[05:14] <wgrant> Let me have a look...
[05:14] <jamalta> wgrant: Thank you :)
[05:14] <jamalta> I got lost trying to find it
[05:15] <wgrant> jamalta: Have a look at lp.registry.tests.test_distributionsourcepackage
[05:15] <wgrant> switchDbUser is the magic method.
[05:17] <jamalta> wgrant: Oh, ok.. that should work then, thanks :)
[05:17] <jamalta> I am using config.karmacacheupdater.dbuser, so should I change it to match the way it is done in that test instead?
[05:18] <wgrant> jamalta: Probably. It probably doesn't really matter, but most tests seem to use a literal.
[05:19] <jamalta> wgrant: Thank you for your help, I will use that route then
[08:37] <lifeless> hmmm, I think that makes 5 bugs submitted today
[08:42] <wgrant> Ah, excellent. It is fairly easy to get dev primary archives set up to overlay on top of a real primary archive. That makes testing muuuuch easier.
[08:49] <wgrant> lifeless: What's the best way to get lpnet7 kicked?
[08:57] <lifeless> spm: ^
[08:57] <lifeless> try a sysadmint hat might be around
[08:57] <lifeless> failing that I'll escalate
[08:58] <lifeless> how long as it been down for?
[08:58] <wgrant> lifeless: Around 1.5 hours, I'd say
[08:58] <wgrant> Could be more.
[08:59] <lifeless> is it still in rotation?
[08:59] <wgrant> It is.
[08:59] <lifeless> ok
[08:59] <wgrant> So 502s are more frequent than they should be.
[08:59] <lifeless> we'll give spm 5-10 then I'll ring the SA's
[08:59] <wgrant> Great.
[09:10] <lifeless> escalated
[09:11] <lifeless> thought I really have to wonder just how much you're using lp that you're noticing :P
[09:13] <wgrant> lifeless: 1/8 isn't small.
[09:20] <lifeless> anyhoo I escalated
[09:21] <wgrant> lifeless: Thanks.
[09:21] <lifeless> the long suffering elmo is on the case
[10:37] <wgrant> maxb: I still can't reproduce those failures on a clean Karmic installation.
[10:37] <maxb> hrm
[10:37] <maxb> Most puzzling
[10:38] <maxb> What about the "Unable to find mandatory field 'files' in the changes file." ones?
[10:38] <wgrant> I installed it by using plain rocketfuel-setup, then adding your PPA and installing launchpad-developer-dependencies.
[10:38] <wgrant> maxb: Those work fine.
[10:39] <maxb> This is quite confounding
[10:39] <wgrant> Incredibly so.
[10:39] <wgrant> You say you can reproduce on two systems?
[10:40] <maxb> certainly the DONE != ACCEPTED one
[10:41] <wgrant> I've run that test on two machines in three configurations (one was reinstalled as another arch yesterday).
[10:41] <wgrant> It works fine.
[10:41] <wgrant> How strange.
[10:43] <maxb> Hm. I wonder if it's some bizarre interaction with something in my user account
[10:44] <maxb> My entire homedir is under Subversion, so the different machines are somewhat similar
[10:44] <wgrant> Are things oddly shared?
[10:44] <wgrant> Ahhh.
[10:44] <wgrant> That is possibly relevant.
[10:44] <wgrant> adduser will tell.
[10:49]  * maxb pondering what to chown, etc.
[11:24] <maxb> gary_poster: When you fix up the symlinks, don't forget to also fix up sourcecode/Makefile!
[11:27] <maxb> gahh, I hate shhh.py
[11:30] <maxb> wgrant: You didn't get bitten by Getting distribution for 'lazr.uri==1.0.1'.
[11:30] <maxb> Installing lazr.uri 1.0.1
[11:30] <maxb> Caused installation of a distribution:
[11:30] <maxb> lazr.uri 1.0
[11:30] <maxb> with a different version.
[11:30] <maxb> When doing your clean karmic test
[11:30] <maxb> Got None.
[11:30] <maxb>  ?
[11:30] <wgrant> maxb: No -- I didn't have launchpadlib installed yet.
[11:31] <wgrant> I've since installed it (which brought along python-lazr-uri), and everything remains happy.
[11:45] <maxb> huh
[11:45] <maxb> so now even if I purge python-lazr-uri, a clean make is now impossible
[11:45] <maxb> ImportError: No module named uri
[11:46]  * maxb has breakfast instead
[11:46] <wgrant> maxb: Impressive.
[11:47] <wgrant> Do you have any other lazr.* installed?
[11:47] <wgrant> eg. lazr.restfulclient?
[12:06] <maxb> wgrant: aha, that's it exactly
[12:07] <maxb> Gah. So now I have to choose whether to attempt to debug buildout or attempt to debug launchpad.
[12:07] <wgrant> maxb: buildout is scary. Run away.
[12:10] <maxb> Hrm. I wish launchpad wasn't so messy in /var/tmp/
[12:13] <wgrant> It's not too bad.
[12:13] <wgrant> You can blow it all away and it will be happy.
[12:13] <wgrant> And at least it puts stuff only there.
[12:16]  * mwhudson isn't completely sure about that
[12:17] <mwhudson> i think some tests still scribble into /tmp
[12:17] <maxb> Ideally it would all go under /var/tmp/launchpad-$USER/
[12:17] <mwhudson> (they should be fixed though)
[12:17] <maxb> Scribbling into /tmp/ isn't wrong, if it's genuinely temporary
[12:17] <maxb> WTF!?!?!? wgrant it works in my clean user
[12:17] <mwhudson> maxb: you are right about /var/tmp/launchpad-$USER/, but thinking about it makes me want to cry a little
[12:18] <wgrant> maxb: Excellent!
[12:18] <wgrant> maxb: Now, bonus points for working out what it was.
[12:18] <wgrant> maxb: My first try would be copying over bashrc and the like.
[12:24] <gary_poster> maxb, wgrant: what's the problem?
[12:24] <maxb> gary_poster: Which problem would you like to talk about first? :-)
[12:24] <wgrant> There are a few.
[12:25] <gary_poster> maxb: oh I dunno.  Just list em for me/
[12:25] <maxb> I have a couple of weird test failures that happen only for me, but on all my systems. We're now thinking that it's something in my common .bashrc or similar
[12:25] <gary_poster> huh
[12:25] <maxb> And, it's currently impossible to bootstrap launchpad on karmic, if you have python-lazr-* system packages installed. buildout gets confused
[12:29] <maxb> And, when you fix up the zope-removal properly, don't forget to look at sourcecode/Makefile :-)
[12:29] <gary_poster> grr.  I spent a fair amount of time trying to make that kind of bootstrap problem go away.
[12:29] <gary_poster> and did so for all of the instances I knew about.
[12:29] <gary_poster> zope-removal: ack, I saw your ping.  thanks.
[12:31] <gary_poster> so maxb, those are the 3 problems: (1) something on your system causes test failures only for you.  (2) buildout's bootstrap is broken on karmic if you have lazr.* Installed.  (3) I missed some things in my zope branch removal.
[12:32] <maxb> yup
[12:33] <wgrant> (1) is more specifically something to do with a shared home directory
[12:33] <maxb> I think it's down to my .bashrc
[12:33] <maxb> I'm bisecting it now
[12:33] <gary_poster> maxb: I can dupe 2 and 3 on my own.  Fixing 3 should be relatively easy, and once I've seen 2 hopefully I'll know what's up.  1 is harder.  I see your clean user works fine.  oh, shared home directory...
[12:33] <gary_poster> ok
[12:34] <gary_poster> maxb: could you pastebin me the traceback from (2)
[12:34] <gary_poster> when you get a chance
[12:35] <maxb> There's two flavours of (2) - if you have python-lazr-uri installed, buildout goes to install lazr.uri==1.0.1, but ends up installing 1.0 instead, catches this mistake, and aborts
[12:35] <maxb> Then, if you purge python-lazr-uri but still have python-lazr-restfulclient, you get a horrendous traceback with the ImportError I mentioned
[12:37] <maxb> I'll get pastes for both, but it'll be 15mins or so
[12:38] <gary_poster> maxb: is this during the bootstrap or the buildout?  It sounds like buildout.
[12:38] <maxb> um, the bit where it populates eggs/ from download-cache/dist/ ?
[12:38] <gary_poster> buildout, ok
[12:41] <gary_poster> maxb: I suspect this is new because we have things packaged for karmic that are not packaged in jaunty; and our lazr packages have had some build issues.  I think I've addressed all of them in branches as of this weekend--need to get some reviewed and landed.  I still had hoped that we would be isolated from things like this, but oh well, I'll try again.
[12:42] <maxb> :-) thanks
[12:44] <gary_poster> maxb: IRT the two flavors, the first flavor is more interesting to me.  The second one is kind of corollary of the first.  The first problem is "Gary thought we were protected from site-packages now (we are in Jaunty), but it is still leaking."  (Or lazr.uri packaging is more hosed than I thought--it's possible that it is packaged as 1.0.1 but then declares that it provides 1.0, which would explain the problem)
[12:45] <maxb> !info python-lazr-uri karmic
[12:46] <gary_poster> maxb: the second problem is: when you take out a dependency of a package, and you try to use that package, it breaks. :-)  the only way it is related to buildout/launchpad is that I had hoped we wouldn't see those packages
[12:46] <gary_poster> we don't in jaunty :-/
[12:46] <gary_poster> at least for the examples I have seen
[12:47] <maxb> I don't really understand what you mean by "when you take out a dependency of a package, and you try to use that package"
[12:48] <maxb> And unrelated: wgrant: So the DONE != ACCEPTED failure is apparently caused by me changing my umask from 022 to 002
[12:48] <gary_poster> maxb: lazr.restful depends on lazr.uri.  you removed lazr.uri, and lazr.restful breaks.  It makes sense in isolation.
[12:48] <maxb> oh.... but what stopped it from trying again to install lazr.uri first?
[12:48] <gary_poster> Ah, yes, I vaguely recall having been burned by umask in the past
[12:49] <gary_poster> I'm sorry you were hit by it.  Would you send an email to the list about it?  Others will have more context on that than I
[12:49]  * maxb afk 5mins
[12:49] <gary_poster> why didn't it try to install lazr.uri?  Yeah, good question.
[12:50] <wgrant> maxb: I spent some hours this morning working out a lp-buildd umask issue...
[12:50] <gary_poster> I regard it (maybe incorrectly) as a corollary of the first one, like I said
[12:50] <gary_poster> anyway, I need to run go do family things, but maxb, these things (2 and 3, in particular; someone else may need to look at what seems to be the umask issue, maybe wgrant?) will be top billing for me.
[12:52] <wgrant> maxb: Let's see if I can repro it.
[12:56] <wgrant> maxb: That does the DONE != ACCEPTED one, but not the others :(
[13:01] <maxb> mhm, ok then
[13:03] <maxb> I wasn't actually running anything but that one test whilst searching for the problem, I'm trying the other two now
[13:05] <wgrant> maxb: Ahaha.
[13:06] <wgrant> ERROR: Queue item ignored: Bad umask; expected 022, got 002
[13:06] <wgrant> So, not an entirely unexpected failure.
[13:07] <maxb> ah... where did that vital piece of info disappear to?
[13:07] <wgrant> maxb: The BufferLogger that the previous statement logs to.
[13:07] <maxb> So did it actually end up anywhere useful in a test run, or did you have to run things manually?
[13:08] <wgrant> maxb: Had to alter the code manually.
[13:09] <wgrant> maxb: (print logger.buffer.read())
[13:11] <maxb> ok, I'm on the trail of what's breaking the uploadprocessor tests for me
[13:12] <wgrant> Great.
[13:21] <maxb> riiight
[13:21] <maxb> so the last two are due to my ~/.devscripts
[13:25] <wgrant> Aha.
[13:26] <wgrant> So.
[13:26] <wgrant> On to 2.5!
[13:26]  * wgrant shall try to set it up tonight.
[13:31] <maxb> DEBUILD_DPKG_BUILDPACKAGE_OPTS="-us -uc"   <-- upsets launchpad
[13:32] <maxb> so I guess I need to find the appropriate place to apply a --no-conf option in the testsuite
[14:32] <wgrant> maxb: OK, test suite running fairly happily with 2.5. I'll poke at any real failures (eg. soyuz-set-of-uploads.txt, which looks unfortunate...) tomorrow.
[14:32] <maxb> nice :-)
[14:33] <maxb> Now if I can just figure out why bzr import-dsc is barfing, I'll try to get my launchpad-dependencies branches created.
[14:33] <maxb> And then progress to actually preparing submission branches for some of the stuff I've accumulated in ~maxb/launchpad/python2.5
[14:34] <wgrant> maxb: Did you turn of shhh.py in there?
[14:34] <wgrant> I noticed the build was fairly noisy.
[14:34] <maxb> yes
[14:35] <maxb> accidently at first, but I didn't feel like reverting :-)
[14:36] <wgrant> Are you getting lots of "/home/wgrant/launchpad2.5/lp-sourcedeps/eggs/pytz-2009j-py2.5.egg/pytz/__init__.py:32: UserWarning: Module lazr was already imported from None, but /home/wgrant/launchpad2.5/lp-branches/python2.5/lib is being added to sys.path\n  from pkg_resources import resource_stream"?
[14:43] <maxb> yes, and that's recent
[14:44] <maxb> but I think Gary's aware and has some thoughts on that one
[20:44] <lifeless> moin
[20:54] <mwhudson> good mornign
[21:20] <lifeless> mwhudson: so, liking your current role?
[21:20] <lifeless> or going whoa, where to start?
[21:25] <maxb> Gah. gah. gah. /me is constructing a branch for launchpad-dependencies, and has just discovered that it basically forked for dapper vs. feisty, with each branch using the same version numbers for entirely different packages
[21:27] <mwhudson> lifeless: somewhere in between those two :)
[21:27] <mwhudson> i'm glad i've got 4 weeks left, let's say
[21:28]  * mwhudson breaks fast
[21:28] <lifeless> mwhudson: :P
[21:28] <lifeless> maxb: whats the goal of this archaeology/
[21:29] <thumper> morning
[21:29] <maxb> There is very little point. I'm just being obsessive about producing an accurate branch representing past history, if I do so at all
[21:30] <thumper> mwhudson: still up for a call at 9?
[21:35] <mwhudson> thumper: sure
[21:55] <mwhudson> thumper: having said that, 9:10 or so would be better
[21:58] <thumper> ok
[22:12] <wgrant> Gr.
[22:13] <wgrant> Tests that rely on set() ordering make me sad.
[22:13] <mwhudson> wgrant: KILL
[22:13] <mwhudson> thumper: call?
[22:15] <wgrant> maxb: Dammit. I managed to run 'make check' in the same shell that I had my umask set to 002 from earlier.
[22:15] <maxb> :-)
[22:15]  * thumper nods
[22:16] <maxb> ah well, you know exactly what failure that causes, so no problem :-)
[22:16] <mwhudson> thumper: skype desn't think you're online, is it wrong?
[22:16] <thumper> mwhudson: yes, I'm trying to get to you too
[22:16] <wgrant> maxb: I'm hoping it won't cause any others.
[22:16] <maxb> it didn't for me
[22:17] <wgrant> maxb: Not even on 2.5?
[22:18] <maxb> Well I admit I'm conjecturing a bit, but the chances of a test being disrupted by umask on 2.5 but not being disrupted by umask on 2.4 seem vanishingly small
[22:18] <thumper> https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-code/+question/81385
[23:00] <jml> hi
[23:04] <spm> hey jml
[23:04] <jml> spm, hi :)
[23:05] <lifeless> hi jml
[23:05] <jml> lifeless, g'day
[23:05] <jml> lifeless, I had a look at your subunit filter patch last night. It looked like it deserved more concentration than I had though.
[23:06]  * jml fires off 4 ec2test runs
[23:08] <lifeless> jml: thanks
[23:17] <jml> thumper, hi
[23:17] <thumper> jml: morning
[23:17] <jml> thumper, you available to talk today?
[23:18] <thumper> yes, at some stage
[23:19] <jml> thumper, cool. when do you think?
[23:19] <thumper> jml: when did you want to talk?
[23:19] <thumper> I think all the time :)
[23:19] <jml> thumper, soon-ish, so I can get on with other stuff
[23:19] <thumper> jml: ok, give me a few minutes to get a cuppa, then we can tal
[23:19] <thumper> k#
[23:19] <jml> thumper, cool.


[00:00] <blues> I thought it was automatic when it said that..
[00:01] <daftykins> well you're obviously showing us your virgin media host right now
[00:01] <daftykins> so you're not identified
[00:02] <blues> yeah but I didnt get that message from this server
[00:02] <daftykins> you have to auth with nickserv...
[00:03] <blues> ok thx alot
[00:14] <diddledan> finished working on the golang project I was playing with earlier: https://github.com/bowlhat/sftp-deploy
[05:15] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:31] <SuperMatt> morning
[07:36] <MooDoo> morning SuperMatt
[08:00] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:06] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:08] <davmor2> morning brobostigon
[08:09] <brobostigon> morning davmor2
[08:43] <JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy Tuesday, and happy Something On A Stick Day! 😃
[08:44] <MooDoo> morning
[08:56] <SuperMatt> I would like bacon on a stick
[08:56] <SuperMatt> actually... sausage wrapped in bacon on a stick...
[08:57] <SuperMatt> dipped in bbq sauce
[08:57] <zmoylan-pi> .me hands SuperMatt a lollypop
[08:57] <SuperMatt> That's not what I asked for
[08:58] <zmoylan-pi> it's bacon flavoured...
[08:58] <SuperMatt> getting better, but the heart wants what the heart wants. A bypass
[08:59] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WGVgfjnLqc
[08:59] <diplo> Morning all
[09:00] <zmoylan-pi> you could always get a battered sausage and impale it on a pencil to eat it...
[09:03] <davmor2> MooDoo: ow am ya me owld mucka
[09:08] <SuperMatt> zmoylan-pi: that sounds like a good idea
[09:12] <TwistedLucidity> Reminds me, I need to call the GP and arrange one of those "I am now old, when will I die?" check-ups
[09:17] <SuperMatt> Let's just sort out some kind of Logan's Run system
[09:21] <zmoylan-pi> if they won't take a cheque afterwards TwistedLucidity it's not good news... :-P
[09:25] <MooDoo> davmor2: yeah good thanks, just got a new VPS and moved my site over to it
[09:25] <davmor2> MooDoo: what over the stack of servers you have at home
[09:26] <MooDoo> davmor2: they are all off at the moment :(
[09:26] <davmor2> MooDoo: How come?
[09:38] <MooDoo> davmor2: we're moving and to be honest they were loud, so i'm thinking at the new house, i'll have to get intel nucs or something a little quieter :)
[09:38] <zmoylan-pi> a wall of rasp pi's.... :-D
[09:39] <davmor2> MooDoo: a bunch of nextcloud boxes and some Rpi's
[09:39] <MooDoo> don't tempt me
[09:39] <zmoylan-pi> how many r-pi zero w's could you fit into the keyboard of a c64... :-)
[09:44] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: a few
[09:45] <davmor2> MooDoo: they come with free biscuits
[09:45]  * davmor2 lies
[09:46] <zmoylan-pi> AND still have 1 pi dedicated to playing 8bit games...
[10:10] <diddledan> \o/ my 10GbE just arrived
[10:10] <zmoylan-pi> that took a while
[10:10] <zmoylan-pi> hope it's speedier than it's delivery :-)
[10:11] <diddledan> :-)
[10:16] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: I'd hope so but then you remember that diddledan is involved so I don't hold out hope ;)
[10:17] <zmoylan-pi> it'll drop more packets than the delivery man... :-P
[10:58] <diddledan> :-p
[11:00] <davmor2> diddledan: what, we're only evil to you because we love you :D
[11:00] <zmoylan-pi> wait.... we are?! :-P
[11:00] <diddledan> careful, I might blush
[11:01] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: shhh if he buys it we can keep being evil ;)
[11:02] <zmoylan-pi> you keep distracting him and i'll put the clingfilm and superglue on his loo seat...
[11:03] <davmor2> hahaha
[11:04]  * diddledan goes to pee
[11:04] <diddledan> wtf? which one of you did that?!
[11:05] <diddledan> davmor2: I uploaded the golang stuff I was working on - it's a bit rough and needs some more work, but: https://github.com/bowlhat/sftp-deploy
[11:05]  * davmor2 points at diddledan as he is the only one in the house
[11:05] <diddledan> lots of goroutines!! \o/
[11:11] <davmor2> yeah you definitely need to keep going, just give it 5 minutes for zmoylan-pi to reset the cling film
[11:14] <zmoylan-pi> no no, you never repeat the same prank twice... we now switch to reversing the toilet roll so that it's wrong direction cuts at diddledan's very soul...
[11:16] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: the diversion was that he now looks at the toilet bowl and doesn't notice the toilet-roll till it is too late ;)
[11:16]  * zmoylan-pi orders the wifi stopping paint online to redecorate the bathroom...
[13:10] <diddledan> oldskool addicts, philscomputerlab has just uploaded a youtube video with 1 hour of midi music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OhVLt6d5PY
[13:12]  * zmoylan-pi pushes hard drive filled with 8bit games music under the table and whistles nonchantly
[13:13] <diddledan> :-)
[13:15]  * zmoylan-pi then realises i'm whistling zub and stops... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRcy68207Fc
[13:26] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi, diddledan: just watch Smooth Mcgroove https://www.youtube.com/user/SmoothMcGroove
[13:28] <diddledan> so my 10GbE are working nicely! \o/
[13:28]  * davmor2 thinks diddledan is only saying that so we think it is, knowing it is all over the place really ;)
[13:30] <zmoylan-pi> he has pigeons carrying the packets as his fallover backup
[13:31] <davmor2> diddledan: speedtest or it never happened
[13:34] <diddledan> it's running between freenas and xenserver, so I don't know how to do a speedtest
[13:34] <diddledan> it's reporting connection at 10Gb
[13:34] <diddledan> so it negotiated ok
[13:35] <zmoylan-pi> drag and drop your kitten video directory from one system to another :-)
[13:35] <davmor2> diddledan: and screenshot speed :D
[13:38] <diddledan> dragging and dropping anything between them will go via my desktop which is not on the 10Gb link
[13:38] <diddledan> I can't drag and drop on them directly because. well. no gui
[19:48] <Azelphur> I have achieved greatness, after a horrible raid failure, recovering the array, growing the array, migrating to 64bit ext4 and resizing, I now have a 19TB RAID6 array with 13TB used \o/
[19:50] <zmoylan-pi> that's a *LOT* of cat videos...
[20:54] <Azelphur> zmoylan-pi: indeed it is, I had to figure out how to tweak checkmk, because it was warning me that I have only 20% free space left (4TB)
[20:55] <zmoylan-pi> down to your last 4tb... how will you ever survive... :-)
[20:59] <Azelphur> I know right
[21:01] <zmoylan-pi> as long as the beeb doesn't release another david attenborough documentary in super high def you might last a week or two...
[21:38] <daftykins> Azelphur: and don't do it again :P
[23:48] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/JoeRessington/status/846867518283284480
[23:48] <diddledan> article 50 is being requested on Friday
[23:49] <daftykins> slowest database ever ;)


[23:20] <batshwa> aeon-ltd: i do not have to touch the existing installation of mandb before proceeding with ./configure and make, do i?
[23:20] <SubCool> its supposed to be a python script to initiate KRFB on start up
[23:21] <fabjoa_mwoz> dr_willis: "My 2 yr old grandson"? always nice to meet a linux vet </off-subject>
[23:21] <aeon-ltd> batshwa: no, just cd into the package and build and install it will replace mandb
[23:21] <Dr_Willis> SubCool:  if the user needs to run it... anywhere in your $PATh, make a /home/username/bin dir. and put it in there.
[23:21] <picard1421> ok i have no way to customize themes...
[23:21] <hiexpo> we teach children here Linux and use this channel for them   so they learn from others   :)
[23:21] <picard1421> i dont have a "login window" option in my system administration
[23:21] <SubCool> what about if i wanted it to start at login?
[23:21] <picard1421> my theme says it is not fully able because GTK+ Clear something is not installed?
[23:22] <TheNerdAL> Picard, that means that you didn't install the theme correctly If I am correct.
[23:22] <Dr_Willis> picard1421:  gnome themes can use theme 'engines' to do the work.  thats proberly what you need.
[23:22] <Dr_Willis> picard1421:  and i find that often theemes are useable without the engines they warn about
[23:22] <Brazzer> hiexpo: did you say you teach children how to use linux?
[23:22] <picard1421> do i need to get someting
[23:22] <picard1421> my question is how do i install the themes i have no program to physically install them
[23:23] <hiexpo> Brazzer,  yes
[23:23] <Dr_Willis> picard1421:  does the theme look ok? if so - dont worry about it.. use opacakge maanger and look for other theme engines if you want
[23:23] <picard1421> i did a server install
[23:23] <picard1421> and di apt-get install gdm
[23:23] <Dr_Willis> picard1421:  for GNOME 'desktop' theme parts, you drag/drop them onto the appearence window. or extract them into .themes
[23:23] <picard1421> im missing the login windows program.. physically
[23:23] <Dr_Willis> picard1421:  GDM themes are different..
[23:23] <picard1421> yea all i want is GDM themes//
[23:23] <picard1421> basically im looking to change my login screen idc about my normal screen
[23:23] <samy> heyho
[23:23] <Dr_Willis> then your mention of a 'theme engine' is illrevant.. thjose are for the desktop.
[23:24] <picard1421> yea dont care about that
[23:24] <Brazzer> hiexpo: well im 13 and im trying to learn how to use the linux terminal and learn how to use linux in more depth i also would love to learn how to program in linux :)
[23:24] <picard1421> only care about login screen.. and i dont have a thing that says login window in system > admin
[23:24] <Dr_Willis> picard1421:  theres some guides out on downgrading to the normal gdm1,  i jhave no idea what gdm you are using.
[23:24] <picard1421> is there a package i need to install to get that
[23:24] <Dr_Willis> picard1421:  you could check out the 'epidermis' program. it lets you change gdm2 themes around a little.
[23:25] <hiexpo> Brazzer,  kool thats great
[23:25] <fabjoa_mwoz> picard21, go on system settings > login screens
[23:25] <Karen_m> I am looking for a perl ide for ubuntu.  Any recommendations?  I know terminal+perl -d is usually what I use but I want to see if there is something more productive
[23:25] <Brazzer> hiexpa: would you be able to teach me some stuff?
[23:25] <Dr_Willis> picard1421:  why did you install gdm on a server anyway? why not just use a desktop install to begin with
[23:25] <hiexpo> Brazzer,  depends where youlive ?
[23:25] <fabjoa_mwoz> Brazzer: we all ex-rookies here, welcome to linux shell
[23:26] <Niglop> There is a problem I have with xchat, when x it, It goes to tray for a brief second and then totally closes..? *I have the option set to tray always on*. Does anyone know the fix to this?
[23:26] <SubCool> Dr_Willis, i dont have a .bin or a bin folder in my home/usr/ directory
[23:26] <NFischer> Hi all! how to remotely check file-modified-timestamp from files on a webserver??
[23:26] <Brazzer> hiexpa: well i live in the U.k in Manchester in a small town called walkden
[23:26] <samy> in your home? ...
[23:27] <samy> dir
[23:27] <hiexpo> Niglop,  sure you do it's hidden is all
[23:27] <Dr_Willis> SubCool:  so.. logically the anaswer is.. MAKE ONE . :)
[23:27] <Pici> Brazzer: If you're looking for community help, #ubuntu-uk might be able to point you towards a resource.
[23:27] <SubCool> .bin or bin
[23:27] <batshwa> aeon-ltd: there's a lot of reading to be done if i want every step to be absolutely correct -- i think i will skip this reading, what do you think?
[23:27] <Dr_Willis> SubCool i said 'bin' earlier.
[23:28] <Dr_Willis> 'bin' in the users home dir. gets added to the default PATH if it exists.
[23:28] <Dr_Willis> Old skool stuff. :)
[23:28] <hiexpo> all . folders are hidden
[23:28] <SubCool> i wish something would stya the same
[23:28] <picard1421> Dr _ Willis i do not need the full ubuntu desktop i only want to change the GDM themes.. is there a folder i can change them out etc..?
[23:28] <Dr_Willis> bin has been the 'same' for years.
[23:28] <picard1421> GDM is not loging into
[23:28] <picard1421> GNome..
[23:29] <hiexpo> Dr_Willis,  yup
[23:29] <Dr_Willis> picard1421:  gdm 1 has config files you change. Check the varuious gdm dirs in /etc/   if you are using GDM2 see the epidermis program.
[23:29] <Dr_Willis> I dont bend over too far backwards for 'gdm' any more.
[23:29] <Dr_Willis> picard1421:  so for staters you need to determine which GDM you are using.
[23:29] <Dr_Willis> picard1421:  there are alternatives to GDM also.
[23:29] <picard1421> which i woul do by?
[23:29] <Dr_Willis> Bye all.. bbl.
[23:30] <picard1421> ttyl
[23:30] <batshwa> aeon-ltd: the first error has just occurred: "configure: error: Fatal: no supported database library/header found"
[23:31] <NFischer> Hi all! how to remotely read file-properties from files on a webserver??
[23:31] <mrwizeguy1983> has anyone had nvidia issues after updating to the latest automatic updated kernel in ubuntu 10.04?
[23:31] <j_a_v_i_e_r> someone run successfully the dolphin emulator in linux?
[23:32] <KE1HA> NFischer, SSH to the server and ls -al
[23:32] <NFischer> KE1HA, no, i dont have ssh-access
[23:32] <KE1HA> NFischer, or, use a web-bassed file-manager that's on the server.
[23:33] <kim27> So, I'm trying to boot ubuntu, and I am getting the error "ureadahead process killed by KILL signal" Any ideas?
[23:33] <[thor]> j_a_v_i_e_r: you mean the kde file manager?
[23:33] <hiexpo> yo prove a point go into home folder and right click  in it and create new folder name it .retard  and close folder than reopen it see if you see it    > not than reopen home and  click view than hidden folders than deleate it      :0
[23:33] <NFischer> KE1HA, where are file-properties stored? in the file itself i assume?
[23:33] <KE1HA> How do you access your web-Server ?
[23:34] <NFischer> KE1HA, http
[23:34] <Pici> NFischer: http doesn't expose any of that.
[23:34] <KE1HA> NFischer, that's for rendering contest, do you not have an Admin Account for the web-site / server
[23:35] <NFischer> KE1HA, i do not
[23:35] <NFischer> Pici, where are file-properties stored? in the file itself?
[23:35] <KE1HA> NFischer, How do you get your contest to the web-site, FTP?
[23:35] <KE1HA> Whoops, content, not contest.
[23:36] <hiexpo> :)
[23:36] <Pici> NFischer: What are you trying to do?
[23:36] <NFischer> KE1HA, it is not mine, its a remote server on which regularly files are uploaded, and i wanted to know, at what time this happens, so i do not have to try several times a day
[23:37] <eduardo> \partall
[23:37] <eduardo> \exit
[23:37] <KE1HA> trying to read the fil permission on a web-site, but no SSH access or cPanel equl.
[23:37] <NFischer> KE1HA, i only want to know atz waht time its been uplaoded
[23:38] <KE1HA> NFischer, what tells the site to update ?
[23:38] <NFischer> KE1HA, waht?
[23:38] <erUSUL> NFischer: make the upload process leave an empty file named with the date an hour
[23:38] <KE1HA> Something tessl the site to get contest. that script or function will determine the frequency.
[23:39] <KE1HA> SRI, I've got KB issues here, somethign is tellign the site to refresh it's content, that's wehre the timming is comming from.
[23:40] <KE1HA> NFischer, but that wasn't the original quesiton, it was file permissions, nevertheless, looking at the date time stamp will give you both, but how you acess it is the problem.
[23:40] <NFischer> is it that hard to understand?! I do want to know at what time files are created on an remote webserver which is periodically feeded by its administrator.. i only have reading access; and want to know at what time these files are uploaded so i do not have to visit the site over and over again
[23:40] <blendmaster1024> http://i.imgur.com/uOM2n.jpg <<< awesome test. what do you guys think?
[23:41] <sandking> what's the shortcut to kill selected app?
[23:41] <KE1HA> sudo kill [app] or killall
[23:41] <sandking> KE1HA, I meant in visual way
[23:41] <juan_> hi!
[23:41] <KE1HA> youcan kill the app itself, or the PID
[23:42] <sandking> there;s a little app where you could mark with a mouseclick app to kill
[23:42] <batshwa> sandking: you may achieve this with xkill
[23:42] <aeon-ltd> batshwa: damn, ok mandb is seriously screwed
[23:43] <sandking> batshwa, thx
[23:43] <batshwa> aeon-ltd: is there any way to fix it?
[23:43] <sandking> why my power button in the corner turned red? ;]
[23:43] <batshwa> sandking: you're welcome
[23:43] <andres_> hi guys
[23:44] <Unknown> Whats an EEPROM?
[23:44] <KE1HA> Electrically Erasable Programmable Read-Only Memory
[23:44] <pradeep> An interesting fact about AUGUST 2010. This August has 5 Sundays, 5 Mondays & 5 Tuesdays, all in 1 month. It happens once in 800 years!!!
[23:44] <dumont> how can I find out which process is eating away a ton of CPU? in console mode
[23:45] <fabjoa_mwoz> pradeep: mmmh, nice fact
[23:45] <pradeep> dumont install htop
[23:45] <KE1HA> TOP
[23:45] <Unknown> KEIHA: thank you
[23:45] <batshwa> dumont: you can try top or htop
[23:45]  * duffy wishes he still had his Elvis
[23:45] <77CAA00FN> how do i disable the LOUD annoying beep that happens if i hit backspace in a field where therses nothing to delete?
[23:45] <andres_> top
[23:45] <aeon-ltd> batshwa: i'm not really sure, since apt won't work or compiling as they both require a working mandb this is kinda a infinite loop
[23:45] <fabjoa_mwoz> 77CAA00FN: in your alert volumes
[23:45] <Kris_> Quick question (hopefully).  I installed NTP--and it's working.. but I need to change the offset, so instead of devices having to be set to -7, they can be set to 0 and still get the correct local time (not GMT).
[23:46] <fabjoa_mwoz> in sound preferences
[23:46] <batshwa> aeon-ltd: can't i tell them to skip the part where they require the man database?
[23:46] <Arte> Hey guys!
[23:46] <andres_> yes
[23:46] <Arte> I have a 64 bit system with an intel cpu!
[23:46] <batshwa> aeon-ltd: i mean, can't i uninstall the whole man system?
[23:46] <Arte> Should I sintall Ubuntu 64bit or 32x?
[23:46] <fabjoa_mwoz> Arte: 64
[23:46] <Kris_> arte: 64.
[23:46] <pradeep> 32 off cos
[23:46] <fabjoa_mwoz> IMHO
[23:46] <andres_> 64
[23:47] <Arte> I tried out 32x today. I liked it. Is there any chance that 64x would cause problems?
[23:47] <An_Ony_Moose> 64, don't listen to pradeep
[23:47] <An_Ony_Moose> some libs are harder to install
[23:47] <An_Ony_Moose> but other than that 64 is better
[23:47] <Arte> alrighty...64x it is then
[23:47] <arooni-mobile> fabjoa_mwoz, i dont see it in system => pref => sound
[23:47] <Arte> Harder to install, how so?
[23:47] <KE1HA> Arte, depends, if you dont need the exted instructions, then 32-Bit if fine.
[23:47] <An_Ony_Moose> and it's x32 or x64 ;)
[23:47] <pradeep> An_Ony_Moose,  pls explain why
[23:47] <pradeep> ?
[23:47] <fan> 64bit architect. is for 64bit apps and 64b CPU
[23:47] <An_Ony_Moose> Arte, flash needs a little work
[23:47] <pradeep> intel cpu
[23:48] <fabjoa_mwoz> arooni-mobile: mmmh, by any chance, do you use cairo?
[23:48] <Arte> Ah. flash. bleh
[23:48] <aeon-ltd> batshwa: i'm not sure i've never encountered a problem that involves the core of the system like mandb
[23:48] <arooni-mobile> fabjoa_mwoz, dont know what that is
[23:48] <Arte> I'll go with 32bit for now, since I'm only planning on using Ubuntu for web development.
[23:48] <An_Ony_Moose> pradeep, 64-bit ubuntu is native to his CPU so it's a better choice
[23:48] <fan> 64 bit is the future ;D
[23:48] <fabjoa_mwoz> ok, do you have a sound icon in one of your panels?
[23:48] <Arte> no processor-intensive stuff
[23:48] <aeon-ltd> anyone here know how to reinstall mandb if apt requires a working mandb?
[23:48] <batshwa> aeon-ltd: do you think i shouzld format and reinstall the whole system?
[23:49] <duffy> flash64 is available via a ppa, but beware the security flaw
[23:49] <pradeep> but most system support but 64 and 32 bits
[23:49] <fabjoa_mwoz> duffy: ppa has security flaws?
[23:49] <Arte> Can't I install everything using repositories?
[23:49] <duffy> fabjoa_mwoz, no, the flash does
[23:49] <aeon-ltd> batshwa: not just yet i'd wait until tomorrow unless you want a working system now and have backed up everything you need
[23:49] <fabjoa_mwoz> duffy: ah, ok
[23:49] <duffy> fabjoa_mwoz, but its still available IF you want it
[23:50] <batshwa> aeon-ltd: that's not the case with me
[23:50] <pcuser> www.idg.se
[23:50] <KE1HA> Arte, you'll also find more diver support issues with 64-Bit, particularly with sound and WiFI NIC Cards.
[23:50] <fan> arte almost everything
[23:51]  * duffy uses 64bit fine.
[23:51] <fan> sometimes you want to install something without repo and then you do it - and you got a pleasre
[23:52] <batshwa> aeon-ltd: i wonder, can i set the system the way it does not run man(-)db regularly?
[23:52] <rathka81> anybody knows how to run scripts early at the bootup process?
[23:52] <duffy> rc.local?
[23:52] <rathka81> I need to run a script before fsck
[23:52] <duffy> oh..
[23:53] <aeon-ltd> batshwa: it references it for almost every package related process, i think or at least it seems that way
[23:53] <KE1HA> I think rc.local is post boot scripts, you'd want them in the rc.d init folder, then put a low number on them for priority.
[23:54] <batshwa> aeon-ltd: all right
[23:54] <aeon-ltd> batshwa: i'd google anyway just to be sure
[23:54] <rathka81> I have tried to run it from rcS.d with S00somescript, it still too late :(
[23:55] <batshwa> aeon-ltd: it seems not as easy as to be solved by a complete novice like me
[23:55] <KE1HA> You can also try using the Boot-Manager for your requirments.
[23:55] <batshwa> aeon-ltd: i will do so tomorrow
[23:55] <arooni-mobile> how do i disable loud visual beep ?  uubntu 10.04
[23:55] <duffy> rathka81, you dont fsck that much, so why bother
[23:55] <KE1HA> AKA = BUM :-)
[23:57] <rathka81> my fan is defect and don't run unless I force it from a script, system sometimes overheat during fsck of home partition
[23:58] <KE1HA> the CPU fan is defunked ?  You need to find the real reason for that issue, else, you may not have a box to work with.
[23:59] <arooni-mobile> is there a way to turn off the annoying sound that 10.04 ubuntu makes when i try to delete text in a field (in any app) where theres nothing left to delete?


[23:14] <Dark_Apostrophe> When I try to access Facebook via HTTPS on this Ubuntu machine on Firefox, I get an invalid certificate from VeriSign. I know Facebook use DigiCert. When I check it on Firefox on my Win7 computer, it shows DigiCert. Why does it show a different certificate on Ubuntu?
[23:15] <lordjj> geomaster http://paste.ubuntu.com/725839/
[23:15] <stevecam> Dark_Apostrophe, is your date and time correct?
[23:15] <iceroot> Dark_Apostrophe: any entrys in " /etc/hosts" with facebook?
[23:15] <Dark_Apostrophe> Yes, but that doesn't explain the different CA
[23:15] <Haaggis> can i post in here about C .... the other channel wont let me connect for some reason
[23:15] <Dark_Apostrophe> iceroot: I'll check
[23:15] <Dark_Apostrophe> iceroot: nope
[23:16] <stevecam> Haaggis, are you registered?
[23:16] <Haaggis> i doubt it...
[23:16] <iceroot> Dark_Apostrophe: nslookup facebook.com  is showing your nameserver?
[23:16] <Haaggis> u got a site to register to ?
[23:16] <geomaster> lordjj, well there is something horribly wrong with the permissions but i have no idea why would code::blocks do that... sorry.
[23:16] <geomaster> you could try removing and purging
[23:16] <geomaster> and then reinstalling
[23:16] <glebihan> !register | Haaggis
[23:16] <stevecam> some channels block unregistered users, i can't recall which ones
[23:16] <the3nigm4> where can i go to understand how to use awesomewm's method of coniguring its rc.lua?
[23:17] <Dark_Apostrophe> iceroot: mind if we talk in PM, there's a lot of people talking here at once
[23:17] <stevecam> bekks, did you get the same incredibly small writing i am talking about?
[23:17] <iceroot> Dark_Apostrophe: because of that we put names infront of the text .)
[23:17] <bekks> Dark_Apostrophe: The intermediate certificate may be invalid.
[23:17] <iceroot> Dark_Apostrophe: nslookup www.facebook.com
[23:17] <sqqqrly> #wiki
[23:18] <Dark_Apostrophe> hold on, pastebin
[23:18] <qcode> dig www.facebook.com
[23:18] <IsmAvatar> ActionParsnip: first thing I notice is that the filenames differ. They all start with some hex - the same for all files on the LiveCD, and the same for all files on the install, but different between the two. LiveCD starts with f4a1, install starts with 0982
[23:18] <iceroot> Dark_Apostrophe: just look if the first address is your nameserver you normally use
[23:18] <Dark_Apostrophe> http://pastebin.ca/2092835
[23:18] <IsmAvatar> I guess I could back them up, copy over the liveCD counterparts, and see if it fixes it
[23:19] <iceroot> Dark_Apostrophe: invalid
[23:19] <Dark_Apostrophe> iceroot: I usually don't tinker with nameservers on my own, leave that up to the OS (if there were reasons to do so, such as subverting DNS censorship attempts, I might, but there aren't to my knowledge)
[23:19] <Dark_Apostrophe> iceroot: Alright... the nameserver's entry is outdated?
[23:20] <iceroot> Dark_Apostrophe: the pastebin url is invalid
[23:20] <the3nigm4> how can you configure hotkeys in xfce? such as if i want fn up to make my volume go up, what do i do? is there a program to do this? or just edit config files?
[23:20] <Dark_Apostrophe> Odd... works for me
[23:20] <iceroot> Dark_Apostrophe: my facebook cert is from digicert inc and shown as valid
[23:20] <bekks> iceroot: It works for me too.
[23:20] <Dark_Apostrophe> Just reloaded the url, still works
[23:20] <Almindor> anyone else with HP mini has disconnecting wifi connection?
[23:20] <Almindor> I get connected ok but it always falls out after 1-2minutes
[23:20] <Almindor> no indication, just apps don't get data
[23:21] <iceroot> Dark_Apostrophe: bekks pastebin.ca is not working here
[23:21] <Almindor> if I reconnect it works again for 1-2m
[23:21] <iceroot> Dark_Apostrophe: bekks no server found
[23:21] <Dark_Apostrophe> oh, got a pastebin that you know works?
[23:21] <Almindor> worked in 11.04
[23:21] <arooni-mobile__> hi folks;  running 11.10 on lenovo t420.  suspend will bring the computer back; but all programs will have closed!!! how can i fix?
[23:21] <Almindor> is this a known issue?
[23:21] <iceroot> Dark_Apostrophe: doesnt matter i dont need the paste
[23:21] <Dark_Apostrophe> Alright
[23:21] <iceroot> Dark_Apostrophe: you just have to look if it is the default dns you are using
[23:21] <Dark_Apostrophe> So, what do you suggest? I switch to OpenDNS or something like that?
[23:22] <iceroot> Dark_Apostrophe: can you try a different browser?
[23:22] <Dark_Apostrophe> Have no others installed that the moment
[23:22] <Dark_Apostrophe> at*
[23:23] <iceroot> Dark_Apostrophe: and you are using https://facebook.com directly?
[23:23] <Dark_Apostrophe> yes
[23:24] <iceroot> Dark_Apostrophe: https://<IP_ADDRESS>/  is this offering a cert from digicert inc.?
[23:24] <Dark_Apostrophe> yes
[23:24] <Dark_Apostrophe> Serial no. ending in DB:E6
[23:25] <iceroot> Dark_Apostrophe: then it seems that "https://facebook.com" is not using the real facebook-servers, maybe a wrong/old dns-entry
[23:25] <Dark_Apostrophe> Hum... so I should try switching DNS servers, then
[23:25] <iceroot> Dark_Apostrophe: is nslookup www.facebook.com <IP_ADDRESS> as ip?
[23:26] <Dark_Apostrophe> Address: <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:26] <iceroot> Dark_Apostrophe: my dns is offering me a different ip with the correct cert
[23:27] <iceroot> Dark_Apostrophe: so i guess your dns is directing you to a wrong/faked facebook-server
[23:27] <Dark_Apostrophe> Alright... Does Ubuntu have its own nameserver configuration system of some kind?
[23:27] <iceroot> Dark_Apostrophe: you are using dhcp?
[23:27] <Dark_Apostrophe> Yep
[23:28] <iceroot> Dark_Apostrophe: then its just reading the dns from your router/isp
[23:28] <iceroot> Dark_Apostrophe: cat /etc/resolv.conf
[23:28] <Dark_Apostrophe> Hmm.. odd that the Win7 desktop, which does the same, has no such problem :/
[23:28] <iceroot> Dark_Apostrophe: thats the dns ubuntu is using
[23:28] <MeXTuX> I have a GeForce 8400 GS and Ubuntu 11.04 installed. I just installed 2.6.38-12 and the pc hangs during splash screen. If I choose 2.6.38-11 the Pc boots normally. I installed the nvidia propietary driver (NVIDIA-Linux-x86-285.05.09.run). Any idea??
[23:28] <Dark_Apostrophe> nameserver <IP_ADDRESS> <-- Yep, router.
[23:29] <escott> MeXTuX, did you manually install it or was it installed by jockey
[23:29] <Zoohouse> Hello guys
[23:29] <Loptr> Dark_Apostrophe, looks like someome dns spoofed you
[23:29] <MeXTuX> The driver or the kernel???
[23:29] <Zoohouse> What would happen if I were to completely remove python 2.7?
[23:29] <escott> MeXTuX, the driver
[23:29] <iceroot> Dark_Apostrophe: and "nslookup www.facebook.com" is showing <IP_ADDRESS> as dns?
[23:30] <escott> MeXTuX, presumably you arent building your own kernels and that is coming from apt
[23:30] <Dark_Apostrophe> yes
[23:30] <iceroot> Zoohouse: if there is no other python installed  i guess a broken system
[23:30] <Zoohouse> What would happen if I were to completely remove python 2.7 from Ubuntu 11.10? Would Unity stop working on reboot?
[23:30] <histo> MeXTuX: reinstall the nvidia driver on .12
[23:30] <ActionParsnip> MeXTuX: uninstall the driver then reboot to use the open driver
[23:30] <Zoohouse> ekk
[23:30] <Loptr> Dark_Apostrophe, is the problem only with facebook?
[23:30] <Hamder> Anyone got the time to help out with  installing Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 900 drivers?
[23:30] <Zoohouse> iceroot, any easy way to fix it?
[23:30] <ActionParsnip> MeXTuX: you can get the 285 driver using the xorg edgers updates ppa
[23:30] <iceroot> Zoohouse: yes, not removing python
[23:30] <Dark_Apostrophe> Loptr: Haven't tried any others
[23:31] <Zoohouse> What if I already did?
[23:31] <ActionParsnip> MeXTuX: not the xorg edgers ppa itself, they have a slightly stabler branch
[23:31] <iceroot> Zoohouse: reinstall python
[23:31] <iceroot> Zoohouse: and dont reboot
[23:31] <MeXTuX> So everytime a install a new kernel I will need to reinstall the driver??
[23:31] <iceroot> Zoohouse: before it is fixed
[23:31] <arooni-mobile__> hi folks;  running 11.10 on lenovo t420.  suspend will bring the computer back; but all programs will have closed!!! how can i fix?
[23:31] <Dark_Apostrophe> Loptr: Just tried a different site on both computers, this time they got the same cert
[23:32] <Loptr> Dark_Apostrophe, if it's only facebook you can add the ip for facebook manually but it doesnt fix the problem
[23:32] <Zoohouse> iceroot, I a lot of sys files seemed to be removed. Those wouldn't be reinstalled if I just reinstalled Python2.7, would it?
[23:32] <Hamder> Help Pls. I need to run WoW on ubuntu but can't due to generic weak drivers.
[23:32] <ActionParsnip> MeXTuX: no, if you use the packages instead of the driver from the nvidia site it will do it for you
[23:32] <iceroot> Zoohouse: how you removed python?
[23:33] <iceroot> Zoohouse: with apt-get?
[23:33] <Zoohouse> Synaptic iceroot
[23:33] <ActionParsnip> MeXTuX: you will need to do it each time with the manual install as you have done
[23:33] <iceroot> Zoohouse: ok then just reinstalling python is enough
[23:33] <Zoohouse> ok
[23:33] <martian> My /boot is at 90%. Is there any potential harm in simply destroying old vmlinuz, vmcoreinfo, System.map, initrd.img, config, and abi's?
[23:33] <iceroot> Zoohouse: it will pull everything back needed
[23:33] <ActionParsnip> MeXTuX: the packages add dkms data which will generate the module each time, you have bypassed this
[23:33] <iceroot> martian: remove old kernels with apt-get
[23:33] <Dark_Apostrophe> I'll be back soon, gonna try something - thanks for your help so far, folks :)
[23:34] <martian> iceroot: oh, and that will purge their /boot counterparts?
[23:34] <iceroot> martian: yes
[23:34] <martian> iceroot: nifty! thanks
[23:34] <iceroot> martian: just dont remove the metapackage only old kernels (packages with versions)
[23:35] <ActionParsnip> MeXTuX: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install nvidia-current    and you'll be fine and have no issues. Why did you use the manual method in the first place??
[23:36] <arooni-mobile__> hi folks;  running 11.10 on lenovo t420.  suspend will bring the computer back; but all programs will have closed!!! how can i fix?
[23:36] <Hamder> OK... Is there a World of Warcraft (ubuntu) chan? Anyone?
[23:38] <martian> iceroot: hmm, dpkg shows that I only have 2.6.32-34, 33, and 32 installed, but my /boot has files going back to 21
[23:38] <ActionParsnip> Hamder: #winehq more than likely
[23:38] <ActionParsnip> martian: try:  sudo apt-get --purge autoremove
[23:38] <Hamder> thanks ActionParsnip
[23:38] <arooni-mobile__> can someone help me with my suspend issue?
[23:39] <martian> iceroot: yep, nothing to remove
[23:39] <iceroot> martian: hm
[23:39] <robinson> evening...
[23:39] <iceroot> martian: yes --purge should remove the rest
[23:39] <robinson> How can I reset the default window sizes in 11.10? If I try to save something in any program, the window that spawns for me to select where to save it is WAY too big...
[23:40] <martian> iceroot: should is the keyword :)
[23:40] <iceroot> martian: as always :)
[23:40] <martian> iceroot: should I just remove them?
[23:40] <iceroot> martian: yes, but not the one you are using at the moment
[23:40] <ActionParsnip> martian: the command I gave will do it for you
[23:41] <martian> ActionParsnip: that is not removing them
[23:41] <theMAVERICK> is there a way to freeze your version of ubuntu so no upgrade or kernel updates take place?
[23:41] <theMAVERICK> because whenever I run Maverick Meerkat Ubuntu 10.10
[23:41] <bekks> theMAVERICK: Dont run apt-get update then...
[23:41] <ActionParsnip> martian: if you run:  dpkg -l | grep linux-image-     can you PASTEBIN the output please
[23:41] <theMAVERICK> everything is working PERFECTLY off the fresh install, but I have had 2 computer crashes
[23:42] <ActionParsnip> !pin | theMAVERICK
[23:42] <theMAVERICK> I will check that out thanks
[23:42] <theMAVERICK> Natty and Oneiric have made me a sad panda
[23:42] <iceroot> theMAVERICK: remember, normally updates are for security-issues
[23:42] <theMAVERICK> iceroot: what do you mean?
[23:42] <robinson> In 11.10, what controls windows sizes? Unity, Metacity, Gnome3, or something else?
[23:43] <iceroot> theMAVERICK: if you dont update your system (update != upgrade) you dont get security fixes
[23:43] <martian> ActionParsnip: THat about sums it up: http://pastebin.com/Yi46Bbw6
[23:44] <iceroot> theMAVERICK: you dont have to go to 11.04 or 11.10 but you should install updates for 10.10 (which is the default option)
[23:44] <ActionParsnip> martian: can you grep for linux-image   as I asked
[23:44] <iceroot> theMAVERICK: these updates dont change functions, just fixing security issues
[23:44] <ActionParsnip> martian: :)
[23:46] <theMAVERICK> iceroot: okay, so as long as sources.list points to maverick and I don't upgrade, I shouldn't get new kernel versions?
[23:46] <martian> ActionParsnip: oops! ahh, there they are!
[23:46] <dircheck> Hi all, I noticed a probable little bug in the bash autocompletion for gdbus-bash-completion.sh and gsettings-bash-completion.sh: the files is installed wrong in /etc/etc/bash_completion.d/
[23:46] <dircheck> they should be in /etc/bash_completion.d/
[23:46] <iceroot> theMAVERICK: correct only patchlevel-kernel-updates
[23:47] <dircheck> I had found a bug report on that issue in lauchpad yesterday, but I cannot find it anymore
[23:47] <martian> ActionParsnip: iceroot mentioned to be careful to not remove the meta, only the literal; is linux-image-2.6.32-21-server the right package to nuke?
[23:47] <histo> dircheck: hrm.. there not installed that way here on debian squeeze
[23:47] <robinson> can anyone tell me how to reset window size settings in 11.10?
[23:47] <iceroot> theMAVERICK: e.g. 2.6.35-13 instead of 2.6.35-12 but never 2.6.38-x
[23:47] <iceroot> martian: yes
[23:47] <dircheck> histo: it is on ubuntu oneiric
[23:47] <iceroot> martian: linux-image-server is the metapackage
[23:47] <dircheck> probably a small error in the package
[23:47] <robinson> My save dialogs are opening WAY too big. I can resize the window, but the last opened size is not saved..
[23:47] <histo> dircheck: i'd see if anyone else can confirm here
[23:48] <martian> ActionParsnip, iceroot: as always your help has been great and xoxo :)
[23:49] <theMAVERICK> iceroot: ah, okay so that is what those mean...I can do that via synaptic or aptitude?
[23:49] <dircheck> histo: I hope any oneiric-users are on here
[23:49] <ActionParsnip> martian: can you pastebin the output of the command please
[23:49] <iceroot> theMAVERICK: both
[23:50] <iceroot> theMAVERICK: doesnt matter if you use synaptic, software-center,apt-get or aptitude, all of them are only installing sec-updates (but asking if you want 11.04)
[23:51] <iceroot> theMAVERICK: so a normal "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" will NOT change your ubuntu-version and is recommend for the security updates
[23:51] <martian> ActionParsnip: oh I didn't think you'd want that any more. Here: http://pastebin.com/Un6xFERe
[23:51] <Arcademan> Hey is xwinwrap supported on ubuntu still?
[23:51] <l3d> was wondering what is the best  media player and burning app ?
[23:51] <iceroot> !best | l3d
[23:51] <granjero-working> hi, where is "connect to server" on 11.10
[23:52] <l3d> k ty
[23:52] <ActionParsnip> martian: ok and what is the output of:  uname -a
[23:52] <theMAVERICK> iceroot: I am currently setting synaptic to prefer version maverick-security, that shoudl do the trick, right?
[23:52] <iceroot> theMAVERICK: yes
[23:52] <theMAVERICK> iceroot: thanks a bunch
[23:52] <robinson> #rehash   How can I reset default window sizes in 11.10? Got a weird issue with windows opening too large and needing to be resized, like when I need to save a file.
[23:52] <iceroot> theMAVERICK: also there is something like "dont look for release-upgrades"
[23:52] <Arcademan> ActionParsnip, is xwinwrap supported on ubuntu still?
[23:52] <martian> ActionParsnip: Linux ehs-n52 2.6.32-34-server #77-Ubuntu SMP Tue Sep 13 20:54:38 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[23:52] <iceroot> Arcademan: supported like? its not in the repos of 11.10
[23:53] <Arcademan> iceroot, im trying to find a good way on making my desktop animated :)
[23:53] <iceroot> Arcademan: play a video
[23:54] <iceroot> Arcademan: what about compiz?
[23:54] <ActionParsnip> martian: http://pastebin.com/40ut00bq
[23:54] <dircheck> histo: I've managed to find the bug again: Bug 819171
[23:54] <ActionParsnip> Arcademan: not used it in ages. I believe there is a PPA
[23:54] <dircheck> Bug #819171
[23:54] <martian> ActionParsnip: Thanks again for your help
[23:55] <jamescarr> I've been googling... where's that apt sources.list for ubuntu 9?
[23:55] <Arcademan> iceroot, how would I do that in compiz :)
[23:55] <jamescarr> I have an old desktop and I have too much on my plate to update until next week
[23:55] <iceroot> jamescarr: /etc/apt/sources.list
[23:55] <jamescarr> in the meantime, I just need to get stuff done :)
[23:55] <iceroot> jamescarr: 9.x is no longer supported
[23:55] <jamescarr> iceroot, duh
[23:55] <jamescarr> iceroot, duh
[23:55] <jamescarr> iceroot, there is some backport repo you can use though
[23:55] <iceroot> !eol | jamescarr
[23:55] <jamescarr> iceroot, DUH!!
[23:55] <jamescarr> iceroot, can you hear me!?
[23:55] <jamescarr> iceroot, can you!?
[23:55] <FloodBot1> jamescarr: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:56] <ActionParsnip> martian: makes sense if you read it, you're going to get a lot of free space back
[23:56] <jamescarr> iceroot, I want to just use the backport repo that can still be used. I admin several ubuntu boxes and they are upgraded
[23:56] <theMAVERICK> iceroot: the only options I saw under "prefer cersions from: were: maverick, maverick-security, and maverick updates
[23:56] <jamescarr> I just have a desktop that I don't have time to upgrade, and I remember there is some repo you can use with 9 still
[23:56] <iceroot> jamescarr: 9.x is no longer supported, no sec-updates doesnt matter if you use backports
[23:56] <jamescarr> iceroot, i know!
[23:56] <brahem> saludos / hello :)!
[23:56] <jamescarr> sigh... I'll go back to googling
[23:56] <brahem> how are you my friends? :D
[23:56] <jamescarr> I was just hoping someone here knew
[23:56] <iceroot> jamescarr: so what is your question?
[23:57] <ActionParsnip> jamescarr: there are no official repos for Jaunty / Karmic
[23:57] <theMAVERICK> ActionParsnip: anywhere?
[23:57] <jamescarr> iceroot, there are unofficial apt repos that mirror what the 9 repos had
[23:57] <iceroot> jamescarr: i told you its out of support and the normal repos are down
[23:57] <jamescarr> trying to find them
[23:57] <iceroot> jamescarr: read the link from ubottu
[23:57] <ActionParsnip> theMAVERICK: not official ones, there are PPAs supporting old releases
[23:57] <theMAVERICK> ActionParsnip: ah
[23:57] <iceroot> ActionParsnip: there are the archive-repos
[23:58] <iceroot> ActionParsnip: which hold the packages from eol releases
[23:58] <jamescarr> iceroot, I do not feel like spending 2 hours upgrading tonight. I will when my plate is clear
[23:58] <iceroot> jamescarr: but googling 2 hours for eol-repos?
[23:58] <eboyjr> How do I get the microphone file?
[23:58] <eboyjr> (since everythings a file)
[23:58] <eboyjr> This is for VLC
[23:58] <theMAVERICK> eboyjr: what is a microphone file?
[23:58] <eboyjr> So I can stream it
[23:58] <eboyjr> theMAVERICK: The location of the audio device
[23:59] <escott> eboyjr, sound doesn't work the same way, but the dev files are in /dev/snd
[23:59] <theMAVERICK> eboyjr: does audacity not list the device under the preferences menu?


[02:49] <hupahuper> Hello all! I had a quick question, I received an email back from submitting an app to the app showdown, and it said some changes were made, and then "I'll submit it for vote for inclusion in Ubuntu Extras." I would assume this means I should take no action? However, the email also said, as part of the standard template, that I should make the changes and resubmit the application.  Also, my...
[02:49] <hupahuper> ...status on myapps is Needs information. He said he posted the revised edition on a ppa which he linked, so should I resubmit and point to that ppa? Or merge, then resubmit with new ppa?
[03:04] <hupahuper> I emailed him back, so I will see if he responds, thanks!
[06:49] <noodles775> Morning dholbach
[06:49] <dholbach> good morning
[06:49] <dholbach> :-P
[06:49]  * dholbach hugs noodles775
[06:49] <noodles775> :)
[09:09] <mister_> Hello, I am writing a python app for Ubuntu. Some of the modules of python 2.7 are deprecated so should I use them as I heard Ubuntu 12.10 will have Python 3 by default.
[15:55] <Razick> Hello, is there a way to check where my app is in the que? I've been waiting over a week to publish an update.
[20:50] <george_e> Question... suppose I have a package that contains the name of a nonexistent package in the 'Recommends:' field of the debian/control file. Would the package still install?
[21:10] <asomething> george_e, it should work. Let me see...
[21:14] <asomething> with gdebi or 'dpkg -i' you don't even get a warning, just installs fine
[21:17] <george_e> Great, thanks.
[21:18] <george_e> I was hoping that would be the result.
[22:38] <crazycoder1999> hello
[22:40] <crazycoder1999> anyone there? I would like to know .. where quickly submitubuntu find information about the ppa to use in commit.. because I have deleted a PPA and now quickly submitubuntu is trying to send data to that ppa..
[22:40] <crazycoder1999> that I have deleted. Where can I change it? many thanks
[22:42] <guinea-pig> quickly configure ppa
[22:43] <guinea-pig> for a list of other things you can configure: quickly help configure
[22:43] <crazycoder1999> ok! thanks you guinea-pig  :)
[22:46] <crazycoder1999> goodbye