[06:10] <Samuraialba> Good bacons to all!
[09:38] <rmg51> Morning
[10:08] <JonathanD> Morning.
[11:41] <Samuraialba> shadamedafas
[11:41] <Samuraialba> greefagramufabits
[11:41]  * Samuraialba slurs coffee
[11:41] <Samuraialba> *slurps, even
[11:41] <Samuraialba> How is everyone?
[11:51]  * waltman *YAWNS*
[11:52] <Samuraialba> Mumble server is up :)
[11:54] <Samuraialba> samuraialba.changeip.org:64740 PW Ubuntu (with the caps)
[16:20] <SamuraiAlba> Good bacon once again\


[00:42] <KGB-X> mutter signed tags cb94e79 Marco Trevisan ubuntu/46.0-1ubuntu8 * mutter Debian release 46.0-1ubuntu8 * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/mutter/tags/ubuntu/46.0-1ubuntu8
[00:42] <KGB-X> mutter ubuntu/latest 80f0247 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) debian/patches/ series ubuntu/window-Add-ability-to-override-the-edge-constraints.patch ubuntu/x11-Add-support-for-fractional-scaling-using-Randr.patch * d/p/ubuntu/x11-Add-support-for-fractional-scaling: Enable again * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/mutter/-/commit/80f0247
[00:42] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit 80f0247 in gnome-team/mutter "d/p/ubuntu/x11-Add-support-for-fractional-scaling: Enable again"
[00:42] <KGB-X> mutter ubuntu/latest 2ebce6b Marco Trevisan (Treviño) debian/control * Revert "debian/control: mutter-common now breaks libmutter back to focal" * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/mutter/-/commit/2ebce6b
[00:42] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit 2ebce6b in gnome-team/mutter "Revert 'debian/control: mutter-common now breaks libmutter back to focal'"
[00:42] <KGB-X> mutter ubuntu/latest a340d4b Marco Trevisan (Treviño) debian/changelog * Update changelog * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/mutter/-/commit/a340d4b
[00:42] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit a340d4b in gnome-team/mutter "Update changelog"
[00:42] <KGB-X> mutter ubuntu/latest 47e324e Marco Trevisan (Treviño) debian/changelog * Upload to noble * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/mutter/-/commit/47e324e
[00:42] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit 47e324e in gnome-team/mutter "Upload to noble"
[03:33] <KGB-X> gnome-sushi signed tags b1d4148 Jeremy Bicha upstream/46.0 * Upstream version 46.0 * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-sushi/tags/upstream/46.0
[03:34] <KGB-X> gnome-sushi upstream/latest 9fc9370 Jeremy Bicha * pushed 15 commits (first 5 follow) * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-sushi/compare/fd7faa9...9fc9370
[03:34] <KGB-X> gnome-sushi upstream/latest 7ef5ef7 Corey Berla meson.build * Post-release version bump * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-sushi/-/commit/7ef5ef7
[03:34] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit 7ef5ef7 in gnome-team/gnome-sushi "Post-release version bump"
[03:35] <KGB-X> gnome-sushi upstream/latest 0406bee Corey Berla meson.build * build: Bump meson version * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-sushi/-/commit/0406bee
[03:35] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit 0406bee in gnome-team/gnome-sushi "build: Bump meson version"
[03:35] <KGB-X> gnome-sushi upstream/latest cd171b4 Kristjan SCHMIDT po/eo.po * Update Esperanto translation * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-sushi/-/commit/cd171b4
[03:35] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit cd171b4 in gnome-team/gnome-sushi "Update Esperanto translation"
[03:35] <KGB-X> gnome-sushi upstream/latest 8e4acd9 Yaakov Selkowitz meson.build src/ui/main.js src/viewers/html.js * main: make WebKit2 optional * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-sushi/-/commit/8e4acd9
[03:35] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit 8e4acd9 in gnome-team/gnome-sushi "main: make WebKit2 optional"
[03:35] <KGB-X> gnome-sushi upstream/latest 8e87ef5 Corey Berla src/meson.build * build: Stop using deprecated external_program.path() * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-sushi/-/commit/8e87ef5
[03:35] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit 8e87ef5 in gnome-team/gnome-sushi "build: Stop using deprecated external_program.path()"
[03:35] <KGB-X> gnome-sushi pristine-tar 08bfcd8 Jeremy Bícha gnome-sushi_46.0.orig.tar.xz.delta gnome-sushi_46.0.orig.tar.xz.id * pristine-tar data for gnome-sushi_46.0.orig.tar.xz * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-sushi/-/commit/08bfcd8
[03:35] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit 08bfcd8 in gnome-team/gnome-sushi "pristine-tar data for gnome-sushi_46.0.orig.tar.xz"
[10:53] <KGB-X> gnome-calculator signed tags d893071 Jeremy Bicha ubuntu/1%46.0-1ubuntu1 * gnome-calculator Debian release 1:46.0-1ubuntu1 * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-calculator/tags/ubuntu/1%46.0-1ubuntu1
[10:53] <KGB-X> gnome-calculator ubuntu/latest c090103 Jeremy Bicha * pushed 37 commits (first 5 follow) * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-calculator/compare/8a4730f...c090103
[10:53] <KGB-X> gnome-calculator ubuntu/latest d1b8228 Aefgh Threenine po/th.po * Update Thai translation * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-calculator/-/commit/d1b8228
[10:53] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit d1b8228 in gnome-team/gnome-calculator "Update Thai translation"
[10:53] <KGB-X> gnome-calculator ubuntu/latest 40883e5 Guillaume Bernard po/fr.po * Update French translation * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-calculator/-/commit/40883e5
[10:53] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit 40883e5 in gnome-team/gnome-calculator "Update French translation"
[10:54] <KGB-X> gnome-calculator ubuntu/latest 7c848de Sophie Herold data/org.gnome.Calculator.appdata.xml.in * metainfo: Fix wrong developer id * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-calculator/-/commit/7c848de
[10:54] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit 7c848de in gnome-team/gnome-calculator "metainfo: Fix wrong developer id"
[10:54] <KGB-X> gnome-calculator ubuntu/latest 88a8064 Robert Roth data/org.gnome.Calculator.appdata.xml.in src/gnome-calculator.vala * Added new style homepage (fixes #388) * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-calculator/-/commit/88a8064
[10:54] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit 88a8064 in gnome-team/gnome-calculator "Added new style homepage (fixes #388)"
[10:54] <KGB-X> gnome-calculator ubuntu/latest 846d2a2 Robert Roth NEWS data/org.gnome.Calculator.appdata.xml.in meson.build * Prepared release 46.rc * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-calculator/-/commit/846d2a2
[10:54] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit 846d2a2 in gnome-team/gnome-calculator "Prepared release 46.rc"
[11:00] <KGB-X> gnome-settings-daemon signed tags c3d4c90 Jeremy Bicha ubuntu/46_beta-2ubuntu8 * Debian release 46~beta-2ubuntu8 * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-settings-daemon/tags/ubuntu/46_beta-2ubuntu8
[11:00] <KGB-X> gnome-settings-daemon signed tags a1ebe6f Jeremy Bicha ubuntu/46_beta-2ubuntu7 * Debian release 46~beta-2ubuntu7 * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-settings-daemon/tags/ubuntu/46_beta-2ubuntu7
[11:01] <KGB-X> gnome-settings-daemon signed tags eaeba43 Jeremy Bicha ubuntu/46_beta-2ubuntu6 * Debian release 46~beta-2ubuntu6 * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-settings-daemon/tags/ubuntu/46_beta-2ubuntu6
[11:01] <KGB-X> gnome-settings-daemon signed tags f0f28a5 Jeremy Bicha ubuntu/46_beta-2ubuntu5 * Debian release 46~beta-2ubuntu5 * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-settings-daemon/tags/ubuntu/46_beta-2ubuntu5
[11:01] <KGB-X> gnome-settings-daemon signed tags f7d446d Jeremy Bicha ubuntu/46_beta-2ubuntu4 * Debian release 46~beta-2ubuntu4 * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-settings-daemon/tags/ubuntu/46_beta-2ubuntu4
[11:01] <KGB-X> gnome-settings-daemon signed tags 44ed3a4 Jeremy Bicha ubuntu/46_beta-2ubuntu3 * Debian release 46~beta-2ubuntu3 * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-settings-daemon/tags/ubuntu/46_beta-2ubuntu3
[11:03] <KGB-X> gnome-settings-daemon signed tags bf62a41 Jeremy Bicha ubuntu/46.0-1ubuntu1 * gnome-settings-daemon Debian release 46.0-1ubuntu1 * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-settings-daemon/tags/ubuntu/46.0-1ubuntu1
[11:03] <KGB-X> gnome-settings-daemon ubuntu/latest 21a3aa7 Jeremy Bicha * pushed 34 commits (first 5 follow) * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-settings-daemon/compare/94a6ad8...21a3aa7
[11:03] <KGB-X> gnome-settings-daemon ubuntu/latest b8c297b Philip Withnall meson.build * build: Bump minimum GLib dependency to 2.64 * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-settings-daemon/-/commit/b8c297b
[11:03] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit b8c297b in gnome-team/gnome-settings-daemon "build: Bump minimum GLib dependency to 2.64"
[11:04] <KGB-X> gnome-settings-daemon ubuntu/latest 1c6a7e5 Philip Withnall meson.build plugins/housekeeping/gsd-housekeeping-manager.c * housekeeping: Stop using deprecated non-Y2038-safe time APIs * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-settings-daemon/-/commit/1c6a7e5
[11:04] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit 1c6a7e5 in gnome-team/gnome-settings-daemon "housekeeping: Stop using deprecated non-Y2038-safe time APIs"
[11:04] <KGB-X> gnome-settings-daemon ubuntu/latest aab5fd4 Philip Withnall plugins/ color/gcm-self-test.c datetime/gsd-datetime-manager.c * color/datetime: Use updated GTimeZone API from GLib * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-settings-daemon/-/commit/aab5fd4
[11:04] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit aab5fd4 in gnome-team/gnome-settings-daemon "color/datetime: Use updated GTimeZone API from GLib"
[11:04] <KGB-X> gnome-settings-daemon ubuntu/latest 8993854 Philip Withnall plugins/power/gsd-backlight.c * power: Fix exit status checking for the backlight helper program * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-settings-daemon/-/commit/8993854
[11:04] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit 8993854 in gnome-team/gnome-settings-daemon "power: Fix exit status checking for the backlight helper program"
[11:04] <KGB-X> gnome-settings-daemon ubuntu/latest e7e4b8b Philip Withnall plugins/rfkill/rfkill-glib.c * rfkill: Fix use of deprecated g_memdup() * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-settings-daemon/-/commit/e7e4b8b
[11:04] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit e7e4b8b in gnome-team/gnome-settings-daemon "rfkill: Fix use of deprecated g_memdup()"
[11:15] <KGB-X> gnome-nibbles signed tags 978cfa8 Jeremy Bicha upstream/4.0.4 * Upstream version 4.0.4 * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-nibbles/tags/upstream/4.0.4
[11:15] <KGB-X> gnome-nibbles upstream/latest b008f05 Rico Tzschichholz src/gnome-nibbles.vala * Creation methods can't be declared as inline, this avoids a vala syntax error * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-nibbles/-/commit/b008f05
[11:15] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit b008f05 in gnome-team/gnome-nibbles "Creation methods can't be declared as inline, this avoids a vala syntax error"
[11:15] <KGB-X> gnome-nibbles upstream/latest 91441d5 Andi Chandler po/en_GB.po * Update British English translation * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-nibbles/-/commit/91441d5
[11:15] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit 91441d5 in gnome-team/gnome-nibbles "Update British English translation"
[11:15] <KGB-X> gnome-nibbles upstream/latest 3e40a89 Ben Corby NEWS data/org.gnome.Nibbles.appdata.xml.in meson.build src/gnome-nibbles.vala * Release version 4.0.4 * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-nibbles/-/commit/3e40a89
[11:15] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit 3e40a89 in gnome-team/gnome-nibbles "Release version 4.0.4"
[11:16] <KGB-X> gnome-nibbles upstream/latest 0256867 Ben Corby data/org.gnome.Nibbles.appdata.xml.in * Release version 4.0.4 (second go) * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-nibbles/-/commit/0256867
[11:16] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit 0256867 in gnome-team/gnome-nibbles "Release version 4.0.4 (second go)"
[11:16] <KGB-X> gnome-nibbles upstream/latest b8faeac Jeremy Bícha (5 files in 4 dirs) * New upstream version 4.0.4 * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-nibbles/-/commit/b8faeac
[11:16] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit b8faeac in gnome-team/gnome-nibbles "New upstream version 4.0.4"
[11:16] <KGB-X> gnome-nibbles pristine-tar 64394e3 Jeremy Bícha gnome-nibbles_4.0.4.orig.tar.xz.delta gnome-nibbles_4.0.4.orig.tar.xz.id * pristine-tar data for gnome-nibbles_4.0.4.orig.tar.xz * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-nibbles/-/commit/64394e3
[11:16] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit 64394e3 in gnome-team/gnome-nibbles "pristine-tar data for gnome-nibbles_4.0.4.orig.tar.xz"
[12:45] <KGB-X> gnome-control-center signed tags 720b705 Jeremy Bicha ubuntu/1%46.0.1-1ubuntu5 * gnome-control-center Debian release 1:46.0.1-1ubuntu5 * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-control-center/tags/ubuntu/1%46.0.1-1ubuntu5
[12:45] <KGB-X> gnome-control-center ubuntu/latest 2c00a0e Jeremy Bícha debian/patches/ (6 files in 2 dirs) * Cherry-pick 2 patches to disable Location Services because Mozilla has * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-control-center/-/commit/2c00a0e
[12:45] <KGB-X> gnome-control-center ubuntu/latest 96326b3 Jeremy Bícha debian/changelog * releasing package gnome-control-center version 1:46.0.1-1ubuntu5 * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-control-center/-/commit/96326b3
[12:45] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit 2c00a0e in gnome-team/gnome-control-center "Cherry-pick 2 patches to disable Location Services because Mozilla has"
[12:45] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit 96326b3 in gnome-team/gnome-control-center "releasing package gnome-control-center version 1:46.0.1-1ubuntu5"
[16:34] <KGB-X> libsigcplusplus pipeline Jeremy Bicha 666914 * pending (extract-source: pending; build: created; build i386: created; build source: created; test-build-any: created; test-build-all: created; test-crossbuild-arm64: created; reprotest: created; lintian: created; autopkgtest: created; blhc: created; piuparts: created)
[18:27] <KGB-X> libsigcplusplus pipeline Jeremy Bicha 666914 * running (extract-source: success; build: pending; build i386: pending; build source: pending; test-build-any: created; test-build-all: created; test-crossbuild-arm64: created; reprotest: created; lintian: created; autopkgtest: created; blhc: created; piuparts: created)
[19:00] <KGB-X> libsigcplusplus pipeline Jeremy Bicha 666914 * [33 minutes and 29 seconds] failed (extract-source: success; build: success; build i386: success; build source: success; test-build-any: success; test-build-all: success; test-crossbuild-arm64: success; reprotest: success; lintian: failed; autopkgtest: success; blhc: success; piuparts: success)
[21:11] <KGB-X> gnome-shell-extension-appindicator tags b88ece3 Marco Trevisan upstream/58 * Upstream version 58 * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/shell-extensions/gnome-shell-extension-appindicator/tags/upstream/58
[21:12] <KGB-X> gnome-shell-extension-appindicator upstream/latest f701143 Marco Trevisan * pushed 21 commits (first 5 follow) * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/shell-extensions/gnome-shell-extension-appindicator/compare/bd3cba6...f701143
[21:12] <KGB-X> gnome-shell-extension-appindicator upstream/latest 65fef33 Balázs Úr locale/hu.po * Update Hungarian translation * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/shell-extensions/gnome-shell-extension-appindicator/-/commit/65fef33
[21:12] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit 65fef33 in gnome-team/shell-extensions/gnome-shell-extension-appindicator "Update Hungarian translation"
[21:12] <KGB-X> gnome-shell-extension-appindicator upstream/latest e365c01 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) util.js * util: Use TextDecoder to get strings from a bytes array * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/shell-extensions/gnome-shell-extension-appindicator/-/commit/e365c01
[21:12] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit e365c01 in gnome-team/shell-extensions/gnome-shell-extension-appindicator "util: Use TextDecoder to get strings from a bytes array"
[21:12] <KGB-X> gnome-shell-extension-appindicator upstream/latest 5c6400d Nathaniel Russell metadata.json * Update metadata.json * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/shell-extensions/gnome-shell-extension-appindicator/-/commit/5c6400d
[21:12] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit 5c6400d in gnome-team/shell-extensions/gnome-shell-extension-appindicator "Update metadata.json"
[21:13] <KGB-X> gnome-shell-extension-appindicator upstream/latest 03a7412 Nathaniel Russell metadata.json * Update metadata.json * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/shell-extensions/gnome-shell-extension-appindicator/-/commit/03a7412
[21:13] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit 03a7412 in gnome-team/shell-extensions/gnome-shell-extension-appindicator "Update metadata.json"
[21:13] <KGB-X> gnome-shell-extension-appindicator upstream/latest b5b9331 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) .github/workflows/eslint.yaml * ci/eslint: Stick to 8.57.0 for now * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/shell-extensions/gnome-shell-extension-appindicator/-/commit/b5b9331
[21:13] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit b5b9331 in gnome-team/shell-extensions/gnome-shell-extension-appindicator "ci/eslint: Stick to 8.57.0 for now"


[22:43] <Rinchen> tyche, ping
[22:43] <tyche> Rinchen: pong
[22:43] <Rinchen> johnc4510, ping
[22:43] <Rinchen> hey, there.
[22:43] <johnc4510> Rinchen: pong
[22:43] <Rinchen> hi. Good, both here!
[22:43] <Rinchen> Request for this coming edition of UWN
[22:43] <johnc4510> k
[22:44] <Rinchen> I just heard that the official LP open sourcing announcement was done at a UDS session about 20 minutes ago
[22:44] <Rinchen> I'm trying to get that confirmed.
[22:44] <johnc4510> cool
[22:44] <Rinchen> popey, was there I believe
[22:44] <popey> Kiko said it
[22:44] <popey> i heard it
[22:44] <popey> :)
[22:44] <Rinchen> I know about it but I can't say anything until I get it confirmed :-)
[22:44] <Rinchen> ok good!
[22:44] <johnc4510> great
[22:44] <tyche> This ought to take the teeth out of a LOT of people
[22:45] <johnc4510> we'll need some info from someone
[22:45] <johnc4510> maybe nick was there too
[22:45] <Rinchen> 21st July 2009   AGPL
[22:45] <tyche> What would be nice is to have a URL to link back to.
[22:46] <Rinchen> There will probably be a LP news item in a few weeks but not in time for UWN
[22:46] <popey> kiko has a presentation he is going through
[22:46] <Rinchen> good. :-)
[22:46] <johnc4510> popey: hey
[22:47] <Rinchen> I've been working on the opensourcing effort with Kiko and Mark. I've been on a special assignment though and didn't know we were going to make the bigger announcement at this UDS
[22:47] <johnc4510> popey: can kiko send us some of the particulars?
[22:47] <popey> johnc4510: you can ask him :)
[22:48] <johnc4510> k


[13:31] <rgh> hi
[13:32] <rgh> if I store my alsa mixer settings with `sudo alsactl store` everything seems to be saved but not my headphone switch
[13:34] <rgh> anytime I reboot ( and start/stop jack I noticed) the Headphones toggle in alsamixer/qasmixer are muted
[13:52] <rgh> oh, it's a pulseaudio thing it seems
[14:38] <OvenWerks> rgh: PCH headphone "plug state" is a hardware based state that pulse reads and "does something with" before studio-controls takes over. Studio-controls should also read that state and it should be able to leave both speaker and HP turned on via scripts at startup if that is what you want.
[14:41]  * OvenWerks would be hard pressed to think exactly how that would be done from CLI at the moment
[14:43] <rgh> OvenWerks: the plug state only works with jack stopped
[14:45] <OvenWerks> rgh: which sounds like a bug or a setting thing. HP device has to be pointed at the internal device of course
[14:47] <OvenWerks> rgh: also, the HDA bus spec does not cover some of these things very well and in any case HW designers do wierd things too.
[14:47] <rgh> It's a minor inconvenience.
[14:48] <OvenWerks> on top of that, Linux tends to change what it does on plug unplug events as well
[14:48] <rgh> My kids already learned how to open qasmixer, select correct hw device and toggle the box.
[14:48] <OvenWerks> :)
[14:48] <rgh> He's 10
[14:48] <rgh> Linux is hard... Sure
[14:49]  * OvenWerks would be lost trying to figure the same thing out on windows or mac
[14:51] <rgh> Selecting the input of your soundcard in windows is a frikking nightmare
[14:51] <rgh> But I guess windows people feel the same about linux.
[14:58] <OvenWerks> I rememeber a friend coming to record a song of his with his win10 laptop. The machine would not even see the USB 2.0 device. We ended up using my old 32bit laptop with jack and Ardour...
[14:58] <OvenWerks> The device was his not mine BTW
[15:01]  * rgh does some practice programming
[15:01] <rgh> TIL: when you feel smart and smug, try dynamic programming ...
[15:01] <rgh> that'll teach ya
[18:19] <rgh> New reverb
[18:19] <rgh> https://github.com/Dougal-s/Aether/releases/tag/v1.0.0
[19:25] <YannMonnier[m]> Hi, I am working with Blender. What does Ubuntu Studio do more than Ubuntu 20.04 regarding Blender? For example, on 20.04, I am having a headache on Blender as my render is done with my CPU ... Instead of Blender using my amd-gpu with opencl. Does Ubuntu Studio has this fixed?
[19:32] <YannMonnier[m]>  * Hi, I am working with Blender. What does Ubuntu Studio do more than Ubuntu 20.04 regarding Blender? For example, on 20.04, I am having a headache on Blender as my render is done with my CPU ... Instead of Blender using my amd-gpu with opencl. Does Ubuntu Studio have this fixed?
[19:41] <tomreyn> YannMonnier[m]: hi there. both Ubuntu and Ubuntu Studio share the same foundation, and (for the most part) software repositories.
[19:42] <tomreyn> i.e. the blender packages are likely identical, unless they're from a Ubuntu Studio specific PPA.
[19:44] <tomreyn> i think the shortcoming that the Blender packages in 20.04 LTS don't support OpenCL hardware acceleration is really due to this Blender version not supporting it, yet.
[19:47] <tomreyn> The usually well maintained Arch Linux wiki at https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Blender#Troubleshooting says "Blender only supports the official AMD proprietary drivers for rendering with OpenCL, meaning you will need to install one of the [proprietary] AMD OpenCL drivers"
[19:49] <tomreyn> Blender's documentation says "AMD drivers are open source, except for the OpenCL support which is available as part of Pro drivers." - which is only part of the story, since there is also mesa-opencl-icd


[12:30] <gqwerty> hi
[12:31] <gqwerty> is it possible to configure lpia kernel to other cpu family then generic 586/686?
[12:37] <gqwerty> is it possible to configure lpia kernel to other cpu family then generic 586/686, like GEODE on geode based netbook?
[12:56] <Mez> how do i install the UMPC image?
[20:52] <ian_brasil> persia: if you are around i just put the jaunty lpia build of gypsy in my ppa
[21:51] <Itsik> hello
[21:52] <ian_brasil> persia: i put it on revu too
[21:52] <ian_brasil> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/gypsy
[21:52] <Itsik> any one knows what would work OTB on an ASUS R2h ?
[21:53] <ian_brasil> Itsik: OTB?
[21:53] <Itsik> out of the box ... meaning every thing works right after the installation ...
[21:56] <ian_brasil> i use ubuntu mobile on mine
[21:56] <ian_brasil> there were some wifi problems IIRC
[21:57] <ian_brasil> but that was a while back
[22:02] <Itsik> I just booted of a usb stick with 0810 umpc edition ... wifi is sketchy, touch screen not working , gfx in low mode :(
[22:07] <ian_brasil> why not try http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook-remix/releases/jaunty/alpha-5/
[22:20] <Itsik> k.. d/loading
[22:21] <Itsik> I just tried ubuntu mid and it installed it self without asking :(
[22:21] <Itsik> but now it flashes "ume login:" and won't get past that ...
[22:21] <Itsik> ideas ?
[22:23] <ian_brasil> try ubuntu
[22:25] <ian_brasil> out of the box should be OOTB surely?
[22:30] <Itsik> k ... d/loading ...


[12:58] <login_> hello
[01:00] <login_> I have been compiling kernel 2.6.22 and have run across a dilemna. My compiled kernel weighs in at about 400-500 mb while the ubuntu kernel weighs about 100-200 mb. How did you guys get the kernel to be so thin?While i was uncompressing the kernel i saw it uncompress folders such as sparc so is it possible that my kernel installed all architectures? if so , how can i make it only use 1386?
[01:03] <mjg59> Disable CONFIG_KALLSYMS_ALL
[01:04] <login_> thank you! i will try that when i recompile
[01:04] <login_> how do i disable it? do i edit something in the menuconfig?
[01:05] <mjg59> Yes
[01:05] <login_> thank you. the name will be exactly like that right?
[01:09] <login_> i am compiling right now but i cant find CONFIG_KALLSYMS_ALL in make xconfig window
[01:09] <mjg59> It's under debug options
[01:17] <login_> hmh i cant seem to find debug options. i feel very noobish to ask but could you give me a type of written map to where to find this option? like go togeneral setup and etc
[01:17] <login_> or is there a way to do this i nthe command line
[01:17] <login_> where i do disable CONFIG_KALLSYMS_ALL
[01:31] <login_> ?
[04:39] <yulin> Is there some good solution for promote the kernel compatibility about harddisk controller?
[05:24] <mikmorg> Could someone assist me as to where the debian post/pre inst/rm scripts can be found for linux-image, linux-headers, and linux-source? I figured they would be somewhere in git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-feisty.git, but I can't find them.
[05:28] <crimsun> that's because make-kpkg (in the kernel-package binary package) handles it.
[05:29] <mikmorg> crimsun: Do you know where I should send a patch to those files?
[05:29] <mikmorg> crimsun: There is a problem with the kernel-img.conf parsing that needs to get fixed ASAP, hopefully before 16-30 comes out
[05:33] <crimsun> mikmorg: file a bug against the kernel-package source package, and attach the diff(s).
[05:36] <mikmorg> crimsun: I filed the patches against the files in /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-*. I will change the target from linux-source to kernel-package. Thanks.
[12:07] <kraut> moin
[02:21] <zul> hey
[02:48] <zul> BenC: ping
[02:48] <zul> if your ae up
[02:57] <BenC> zul: hey
[02:57] <BenC> zul: Can you clean up your tree to remove the commit/revert?
[02:57] <zul> sure
[02:58] <BenC> should be able to branch from ubuntu-gutsy, and cherry pick the changes you want to keep
[02:58] <BenC> zul: thanks...so what did you need?
[02:58] <zul> that :)
[02:58] <BenC> heh
[02:58] <zul> ill clean it up tonight and request another pull
[03:02] <aquo> hey folks
[03:02] <aquo> i have some question
[03:02] <aquo> what is the status on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/50214
[03:04] <aquo> aquo@cayley:/etc$ iwconfig --version
[03:04] <aquo> iwconfig  Wireless-Tools version 28
[03:04] <aquo>           Compatible with Wireless Extension v11 to v20.
[03:04] <aquo> Kernel    Currently compiled with Wireless Extension v21.
[03:05] <aquo> who is the person responsible for this?
[03:10] <zul> BenC: can you add to the kernel gitguide on the wiki on how to use cherrypick?
[03:11] <BenC> zul: git-cherrypick <sha>
[03:11] <zul> ah ok
[03:11] <zul> hey pkl
[03:11] <pkl__> hi zul
[03:13] <aquo> BenC: can you tell me who is responsible for bug what is the status on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/50214
[03:14] <BenC> aquo: how about giving me a quick overview so I don't have to read the entire report, please?
[03:14] <aquo> kernel is compiled with wrong Wireless Extension
[03:15] <BenC> kernel is compiled with stock 2.6.22 wireless extensions
[03:15] <BenC> it's the only way it can be compiled
[03:15] <aquo> aquo@cayley:/etc$ iwconfig --version
[03:15] <aquo> iwconfig  Wireless-Tools version 28
[03:15] <aquo>           Compatible with Wireless Extension v11 to v20.
[03:15] <aquo> Kernel    Currently compiled with Wireless Extension v21.
[03:15] <aquo> ath0      Recommend Wireless Extension v13 or later,
[03:15] <aquo>           Currently compiled with Wireless Extension v21.
[03:15] <BenC> I don't see the problem there
[03:15] <BenC> v20 wireless-tools works fine with v21 kernel extensions
[03:15] <aquo> no, not everytime.
[03:16] <BenC> then wireless-tools needs updating
[03:16] <aquo> it is not possible to connect to hidden networks
[03:16] <BenC> it's not like I can tell the kernel to be v20
[03:16] <BenC> how can you be sure that v21 kernel extensions is what is causing that?
[03:16] <BenC> these extensions are meant to be compatible in cases like this
[03:16] <aquo> should be possible, the bug report states that people solved the problem by recompiling the kernel
[03:17] <BenC> v20 wireless-tools just wont use the v21 extensions
[03:17] <BenC> recompiling it how?
[03:17] <aquo> not sure, changing the version of Wireless Extension v21
[03:17] <BenC> I heard about this whole thing last week, and I'm just not convinced that v21/v20 compatibility is the problem
[03:18] <BenC> aquo: if you just change a line in the kernel to say it's v20, then you are actually breaking things
[03:18] <rtg> I think its more a problem with hidden SSID, not  WEXT versions.
[03:19] <rtg> There is alot of FUD in that report.
[03:19] <BenC> yeah, the version information is a red herring, IMO
[03:19] <aquo> i don't think so, i would be interesting to see if it worked with the original kernel on the media ...
[03:19] <aquo> 20-15
[03:19] <BenC> aquo: you can't compare 2.6.20 vs. 2.6.22 just based on v20/v21 kernel extensions
[03:20] <rtg> Yeah, there is too much change in the wireless subsystem.
[03:20] <aquo> i am just comparing 20-15 and 20-16
[03:20] <BenC> the bug could very well be somewhere else, or it could be in wireless-tools, and the fact that it breaks because it assuming something it shouldn't
[03:20] <aquo> i am still on feisty
[03:20] <rtg> aquo: Can you confirm it works if you enable broadcast SSID?
[03:21] <BenC> aquo: ok, then I'm getting ever more conflicting info on this bug report
[03:21] <aquo> yes, with broadcast it is working.
[03:21] <rtg> aquo: I think that implies the WEXT versions are fine. There might be something between wpa_supplicant and network manager.
[03:22] <aquo> hoe, i think it is a major problem if i am not able to connect to hidden networks
[03:23] <BenC> aquo: I read a little more of the report, and it seems that the wireless-tools maintainer is agreeing with your assumption that v20 tools is breaking with v21 extensions
[03:24] <BenC> aquo: IMO, that clearly says that wireless-tools for v20 extensions is broken
[03:24] <aquo> "Hi Julie, upgrading only wireless tools won't make difference, because the kernel is recompiled with Wireless Extension version that is not supported by Wireless Tools. This is a simple mismatch and the kernel team can easily solve this by recompiling the kernel. I already did that on my system and it works."
[03:25] <BenC> aquo: I'd really like someone to tell me how to recompile the kernel with an older wext
[03:25] <BenC> that bit of info seems to be clearly absent from the report
[03:25] <aquo> don't know, but i will investigate.
[03:25] <BenC> it's not like it's a switch, or a config options...it's basically backing down the entire tree, subsystem and drivers, to older code
[03:26] <BenC> which we wont do
[03:26] <aquo> but first i want to check the situation on the original release media ...
[03:26] <BenC> so if newer wext tools fixes things, best bet is to find the patch that fixes this case
[03:26] <aquo> want to check if normal feisty has matching versions
[03:27] <BenC> we wont be making sweeping "downgrade wext" or "upgrade wireless-tools" changes in feisty, period
[03:29] <BenC> aquo: I'd also appreciate if you could update this bug report with what we discussed, to keep everyone informed of the status
[03:30] <aquo> ok
[03:32] <BenC> aquo: thanks
[04:41] <movi> i think i found a bug in the newest kernel in gutsy (and -7 too)
[04:41] <movi> the thing is, im using a Celeron 2.6
[04:42] <movi> and ksoftirqd/0 is using about 25-30% of the cpu all the time
[04:42] <movi> someone pointed me to look and /proc/interrupts
[04:42] <movi> and the thing is, timer only generates 62 interrupts, then stops
[04:43] <movi> i tried booting with noapic and lapic
[04:43] <movi> n
[04:43] <movi> noapic and nolapic
[04:43] <movi> and then the timer does generate interrupts, but the process eats up 35% of the cpu all the time
[04:44] <movi> 2.6.20 (on 7.04) works perfectly
[04:44] <kylem> while the timer "doesn't" generate interrupts, is "LOC" increasing?
[04:44] <movi> yes
[04:44] <movi> and lots it too
[04:44] <kylem> then it's fine.
[04:44] <kylem> LOC is the local APIC timer
[04:45] <movi> why the cpu usage then ?
[04:45] <movi> i tried disabling the usb controller and unloading the nvidia module - nothing
[04:45] <login_> Hi guys. I recompiled kernel 2.6.22 on my ubuntu box and comparing to ubuntu's kernel , it is ismply 5 times larger! my deb file is 194 mb and when i isntall it , it is 500 mb. From synaptic , i see that the ubuntu kernel is about 75 mb . how can i make my 2.6.22 compiled kernel thinner?
[04:45] <movi> i
[04:45] <movi> i booted in single mode too to rule-out any rigue processes - nothing
[04:45] <kylem> meh. i wouldn't worry about it.
[04:45] <pmjdebruijn> login_, how did you 'compile it'
[04:46] <pmjdebruijn> login_, anyway do you _need_ 2.6.22?
[04:46] <login_> someone suggested do disable CONFIG_KALLSYMS_ALL ya , i am trying to make an ubuntu remaster
[04:46] <login_> i compiled it by making it into  a deb package
[04:46] <login_> from this tutorial
[04:46] <login_> http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_ubuntu
[04:46] <movi> login_: is this addressed to me ?
[04:47] <login_> to everyone that can help me
[04:47] <login_> u asked me how to ocmpile it so ya
[04:47] <login_> i made the kernel into  a eb package and the linux-image was 194 mb
[04:47] <pmjdebruijn> login_, that's the quick 'n dirty way to do it
[04:47] <movi> i didnt ;]
[04:47] <login_> o didnt see it :P
[04:47] <pmjdebruijn> anyway it's weird that you get such large packages
[04:47] <login_> could yo utell me wich is the long and not dirty way to do it?
[04:48] <pmjdebruijn> it's on the wiki somewhere
[04:48] <login_> the ubuntu wiki?
[04:48] <pmjdebruijn> yeag
[04:48] <pmjdebruijn> yeah
[04:48] <login_> ok i will search for it
[04:49] <login_> man this is the largest ammount of people i have seen talking in this chat
[04:49] <login_> i am amazed
[04:50] <movi> so anyone know what should i do about my ksoftirqd problem ?
[04:50] <movi> (except going back to 2.6.20 and ubuntu 7.04) ?
[04:51] <aquo> BenC: https://bugs.launchpad.net/baltix/+source/knetworkmanager/+bug/50214/comments/38
[04:53] <login_> is the kernel tutorial this one?https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild?highlight=%28kernel%29. I am concerned that it told me to download the kernel source from the repos so it will be 2.6.20 rather then 2.6.22. Is it possible for me to replace that with the kernel 2.6.22 source . will it make a difference?
[05:01] <login_> aww you guys dissapeared again :(
[05:15] <login_> ill be waiting for you guys to reply :P
[06:08] <login_> ?
[06:21] <zul> BenC: I cleaned it up
[06:32] <login_> anyoe have an anwser for my second question?
[08:00] <login_> aynone?
[08:00] <login_> have an anwser to my question
[08:41] <login_> Could you guys tel lme what you did with kernel 2.6.22 to make it so light? my kernel com[pile comes to 193 mb
[08:41] <login_> !
[08:49] <infinity> login_: You've been asking this all day; this isn't a support channel.
[08:51] <login_> i know but no one has really and trly anwsered. I am sorry if i am being a bother but i dont know where to go since in the ubuntu forums if you ask anyhting and it is hard it gets ignored
[08:51] <BenC> login_: find /lib/modules/ -name \*.ko | xargs strip
[08:52] <login_> i type that when i am compiling?
[08:52] <login_> or do i isntall it and delete every .ko file that has xargs strip in it?
[08:56] <login_> plz anwser this will be my last question :'(
[08:59] <bdmurray> login_: you might find 'man strip' and 'man xargs' helpful
[08:59] <login_> ok
[09:02] <login_> i still dont get it .:(. O well. Does the gutsy kernel have any stamps on it saying it is an ubuntu kernel?
[09:03] <mjg59> login_: The Ubuntu kernel build process strips the modules before putting them in a package. If you do it by hand (without using the full kernel build process) you need to do that yourself.
[09:04] <login_> o so i run  find /lib/modules/ -name \*.ko | xargs strip while compiling
[09:05] <mjg59> No, when installed
[09:06] <mjg59> And I suspect you don't want to run strip without any arguments - that'll remove symbols needed for loading the modules
[09:06] <mjg59> But this really isn't the place to ask
[09:06] <mjg59> If you want to avoid it altogether, just disable CONFIG_KALLSYMS_ALL
[09:07] <login_> i disabled that but it only went down a couple of kb
[09:07] <login_> also , whe ni run the command it says this strip: Warning: '/lib/modules/2.6.22-custom/kernel/net/wanrouter' is not an ordinary file
[09:07] <login_> Again i am really sorry for asking noob questions here
[09:08] <mjg59> login_: Then don't?
[09:08] <login_> ok :( . bye
[09:28] <lamont> amitk said he was going to include jbailey's patch in -8.17, and yet it's still not in -8.18.... hrmpf
[09:29] <lamont> BenC: what do I need to do to get that hppa patch in before tribe3 freeze?
[09:30] <BenC> lamont: it will get in, we just didn't have the time to do it last week
[09:30] <BenC> parts of the patch were actually wrong, but we'll get it munged up properly
[09:30] <lamont> on the off chance that there are other issues, and because I still need to build debian-installer et al, it'd be nice if it hit the archive sooner rather than later....
[09:30] <lamont> thanks
[10:16] <bdmurray> I've started tagging bugs as kernel-oops BenC.  There are a few now.
[10:16] <kylem> do we have real tags yet?
[10:16] <kylem> or can people still tag anything however they want?
[10:22] <bdmurray> We have standardised tags but people can still add whatever they want.
[10:22] <bdmurray> The list of tags is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Tags
[11:07] <lamont> BenC: I have  the various patches in my tree now, I'll send email to kernel-team tonight.  must run now.
[11:08] <lamont> and I'll do a test build, too.


[06:16] <rogpeppe1> urulama: hiya
[06:16] <urulama> rogpeppe1: morning
[06:16] <rick_h__> morning party people
[06:16] <rogpeppe1> rick_h__: yo!
[06:16] <urulama> rogpeppe1: you're early today :)
[06:16] <rogpeppe1> urulama: it happens :-)
[06:32] <bac> rick_h__: ci is still dead, presumably selenium related.  did anyone send you an update yesterday?
[07:17] <rick_h__> bac: no, writing an email now and have a run to see if we found the problem
[07:23] <bac> rick_h__: you going to boardroom at 9:30
[07:24] <rick_h__> bac: yes, the text based UI stuff?
[07:25] <bac> y
[07:25] <rick_h__> jujugui - email sent to peeps on CI issue, working branch has run through tests but is not fit for landing
[08:29] <rogpeppe1> frankban: gogogo?
[08:32] <frankban> rogpeppe1: sure, I'll be there in a minute
[08:33] <urulama> morning frankban
[08:33] <frankban> hi urulama
[08:33] <urulama> frankban, rogpeppe1: how's "publish" going?
[08:34] <rogpeppe1> urulama: not bad. overwhelmed with overhead yesterday, but back onto the meat of it today. just the tests to write now.
[08:34] <urulama> nice
[11:03] <frankban> rogpeppe1: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7978769/
[12:04]  * frankban lunches
[12:14]  * jrwren coffees
[12:18]  * urulama dreams of unicorns
[12:37] <rogpeppe1> urulama: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPA1fH9wZIg
[13:02] <frankban> rogpeppe1: gogogo?
[13:15] <kadams54> jujugui: Morning all. Before I start another card, I thought I'd check to see if anyone's looking at CI and what, if anything, I could do to help.
[13:21] <jcsackett> kadams54: i am still looking at CI, pursuing the selenium-version issue jeff identified yesterday.
[13:22] <jcsackett> kadams54: if you are able to run make ci-check, and can actually see tests running via the selenium console (follow the url provided by make ci-check), then we might be able to speed things up.
[13:22] <jcsackett> kadams54: wait, you're running a vm, right?
[13:22] <jrwren> what is gogogo?
[13:23] <kadams54> Something impatient people type before an match of League of Legends starts?
[13:24] <kadams54> jcsackett: yes, though I can also see if I can get a dedicated Ubuntu machine up and running. It's something I've been meaning to do for awhile.
[13:25] <jcsackett> kadams54: yeah; sauce and the machine running the tests need to be able to talk, which has been the source of our slowdown. both vms and lxcs (and anything on my home network, since timewarner is blocking the port i need) fail; i've got an ec2 machine coming up now, which is probably faster than you spinning up a dedicated ubuntu machine.
[13:27] <rogpeppe1> frankban: indeed. i missed your ping, sorry
[13:32] <jrwren> kadams54: LoL doesn't glhf?
[13:33] <kadams54> Game starts in 5… 4… 3… 2…gogogogogogogogogo
[13:33] <kadams54> But yes, glhfs are out there too.
[13:34] <jrwren> I see.
[14:13] <bac> jcsackett: \o/
[14:13] <jcsackett> bac: ?
[14:14] <rick_h__> jcsackett: your branch/fix
[14:14] <jcsackett> i may have been premature.
[14:14]  * jcsackett is crossing his fingers that it does actually work in CI.
[14:14] <jcsackett> save the hoorays for when it passes. :p
[14:15] <jcsackett> ...and it just failed.
[14:16] <rick_h__> jcsackett: what do you think of the removal in my reply?
[14:16] <jcsackett> rick_h__: haven't seen your reply yet. 1 sec.
[14:19] <jcsackett> rick_h__: so, the browser warning bit is about handling us popping up the "gui doesn't work on your browser" thing. i think if we remove the handle stuff, and that's the failure, we'll have a hard time sorting that out.
[14:19] <bac> jcsackett: ok, i retract my whoo-hoo.  doesn't look like it did anything.
[14:19] <jcsackett> bac: indeed not.
[14:19] <rick_h__> jcsackett: but we'd have the sauce video that shows it?
[14:19] <bac> s/did/fixed/
[14:19] <rick_h__> jcsackett: e.g. in the video we see a browser warning for a browser that should have no warning?
[14:19] <jcsackett> rick_h__: that's true, i suppose. it just doesn't feel good to me, but i'm happy to be overruled, if only to get back to the card iw as working on before. :p
[14:20] <jcsackett> incidentally, there seems to be no way to run ci-check appropriately. at least not documented.
[14:21] <rick_h__> jcsackett: you know our code has the isBrowserSupported function?
[14:21] <rick_h__> in index.html?
[14:21] <jcsackett> rick_h__: yes.
[14:21] <hatch> it's a very odd issue, the GUI is rendered but it can't access the fn
[14:21] <hatch> you can actually see the canvas and everything but it says the fn doesn't exist
[14:21] <jcsackett> as i said, "isBrowserSupported" not being found is not actually the error. if you run ci-check without even being able to make the connection to sauce labs, you see isBrowserSupported being the failure.
[14:22] <jcsackett> the failure message is useless.
[14:23] <hatch> right - there is a bigger problem - because when CI fails with that error the GUI IS loaded
[14:23] <rick_h__> call guys?
[14:23] <rick_h__> hangout room?
[14:24] <hatch> sure
[14:25] <jcsackett> rick_h__: sure, one sec.
[14:31] <hatch> jcsackett rick_h__  so yeah the isBrowserSupported method IS definitely there
[14:32] <hatch> http://ci.jujugui.org:8888/ < jcsackett
[14:32] <jcsackett> everyone cross your fingers
[14:32]  * urulama has problems typing now
[14:33] <rick_h__> hatch: cool
[14:33] <hatch> jcsackett interesting...in FF on OSX window.isBrowserSupported() is returning false
[14:33] <jcsackett> hatch: google-chrome on linux is returing false as well.
[14:34] <jcsackett> hatch: so, there's something else going on.
[14:34] <jcsackett> b/c we're setting 2.30.0 for chrome on this thing and it's still dying.
[14:35] <hatch> jcsackett oh you need to pass it `navigator.userAgent`
[14:36] <hatch> at which point it works correctly
[14:37] <hatch> jcsackett trigger another manual ci run, once the GUI is loaded open it in chrome and type `window.isBrowserSupported(navigator.userAgent)`
[14:37] <hatch> chrome on ubuntu that is
[14:37] <jcsackett> hatch: yeah, i saw that too.
[14:37] <jcsackett> still, chrome, with the supposedly correct version of selenium, still fails.
[14:39] <jcsackett> could be the new version of chromedriver/chrome
[14:39] <jcsackett> in which case, we have to fix our test. b/c that would mean it just doesn't work on the latest version of chrome.
[14:40] <hatch> right - but can you check to make sure the fn executes correctly? I'm wondering if it's not the driver that we are using....if the method is indeed there (Which I'm pretty sure it is) then it's the python driver not being able to send the proper command
[14:40] <hatch> jcsackett we could also change that test in python to test for something that WILL be there like Object for example
[14:40] <hatch> if it sill fails then we know for sure it's the driver
[14:42] <jcsackett> hatch: there's a build running now; when it gets to the selenium bit i can see if it works.
[14:42] <jcsackett> hatch: oh, as far as method being there, i can confirm that for sure.
[14:42] <hatch> ahh ok
[14:43] <hatch> brb
[14:43] <jcsackett> hatch: i just called it without the agent bit and it returned false. but it's there.
[14:43] <hatch> and with the agent?
[14:44] <hatch> ok so next thing to try is modify the browser.py to try and execute something that is DEFINITELY there :)
[14:50] <hatch> jujugui call in 10, kanban now
[14:51] <jcsackett> hatch: it works fine.
[14:51] <hatch> jcsackett well what the deuce.....
[14:51] <hatch> that doesn't make any sense....
[14:52] <jcsackett> hatch: none of this makes sense.
[14:52] <jcsackett> i'm going to try getting an earlier rev of develop to pass through--one that passed before the sauce changes.
[14:52] <hatch> sure
[15:08] <hatch> jcsackett so what if we remove that test? Does it pass then or do other things fail?
[15:08] <jcsackett> if we remove *every* call to handleBrowserWarning, it passes, as you can see in rick's branch.
[15:09] <jcsackett> but, y'know. there's a reason we're checking on the browser warning stuff.
[15:09] <hatch> yeah - if we supported IE11 we could drop it...
[15:09] <jcsackett> hatch: i'm verifying the chromedriver thing by running a build that uses the old default chrome and chromedriver.
[15:09] <hatch> ok excellent
[15:10] <jcsackett> if that passes, i think the critical situation is over--we land that branch and add a card for investigating CI on chrome 35+
[15:10] <jcsackett> b/c previously we've been running everything on the old default anyway, so we're not in any *worse* of a position.
[15:11] <jcsackett> and we're unblocked. but we definitely don't want to be stuck on an increasingly old version of chrome.
[15:11] <hatch> right - *crosses fingers*
[15:13] <jcsackett> well, good news: my incidental upgrade to ff 31 passes.
[15:13] <jcsackett> not the good news we want, but good news all the same.
[15:14] <hatch> haha need every ittle win
[15:14] <jcsackett> PASSED!!!
[15:14] <jcsackett> well, the first test.
[15:14] <jcsackett> but the first test was failing.
[15:14] <hatch> ...
[15:14] <jcsackett> so, this is looking good.
[15:14] <hatch> ......
[15:15]  * hatch is in suspense
[15:15] <jcsackett> passed the second one.
[15:15] <jcsackett> chrome has passed.
[15:15] <jcsackett> the new chrome/chromedriver is the issue, and this unblocks us.
[15:16] <hatch> *phew*
[15:16] <jcsackett> i'll tidy up the PR and ask for reviews, and make a card to investigate new chrome on CI.
[15:16] <hatch> ok ping when it's up and I'll +1 it
[15:16] <hatch> :)
[15:16] <hatch> jcsackett can you also send out an email to peeps with the details?
[15:20] <jcsackett> hatch: already writing it.
[15:20] <hatch> u da man
[15:21] <jcsackett> jujugui: 2 reviews, please. https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/484
[15:21] <hatch> on it
[15:22] <kadams54> Ditto
[15:22] <frankban> jcsackett: done
[15:22] <jcsackett> thanks, all.
[15:23] <hatch> jujugui I'll handle getting everything landed once this lands
[15:23] <kadams54> hatch's new job title: PR Wrangler
[15:23] <hatch> yeeeee haw
[15:23] <kadams54> Excuse me… PR Herder
[15:24] <kadams54> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SmgLtg1Izw
[15:24] <hatch> not sure what sound herders make
[15:24] <kadams54> Yeeee haw is appropriate.
[15:24] <hatch> dig
[15:27] <jcsackett> wtf; something else just failed.
[15:28] <hatch> looks to still be running...
[15:28] <hatch> http://ci.jujugui.org:8080/job/juju-gui/1565/console
[15:28] <jcsackett> hatch: that's the run triggered by comments.
[15:29] <jcsackett> hatch: the run with the test change failed, but i think it's the spurious failure. we'll see what the comments one does.
[15:29] <hatch> ohh that's a spurious failure
[15:29] <hatch> yeah
[15:30]  * jcsackett lets out a breath
[15:30] <jcsackett> thank god.
[15:31] <hatch> haha
[15:31] <hatch> jcsackett pm me the email you want to use for KB
[15:37] <rogpeppe1> urulama, jrwren: https://github.com/juju/charmstore/pull/62
[15:37] <rogpeppe1> frankban: ^
[15:41] <urulama> rogpeppe1: TBH, my brain is not capable to do PR right now ... in a few hours i can do it
[15:47] <frankban> urulama: np, thanks
[16:14] <frankban> rogpeppe1: we missed one test: wrong hash provided
[16:15] <rogpeppe1> frankban: ah yes. good point.
[16:15] <frankban> rogpeppe1: and actually it seems the check is not done by PutForEnvironment
[16:15] <rogpeppe1> frankban: ah
[16:15] <frankban> rogpeppe1: I was able to upload a charm using something like "curl -ikL --data-binary @$2 -H "Content-Type: application/zip" http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/v4/$1/archive?hash=ciao"
[16:17] <rogpeppe1> frankban: ah, of course. PutForEnvironment doesn't know the hash that it's meant to be uploading
[16:17] <rogpeppe1> frankban: hmm
[16:17] <rogpeppe1> frankban: that means that we can't actually use juju/blobstore without changing it
[16:18] <rogpeppe1> frankban: good catch. darn.
[16:19] <rogpeppe1> frankban: at the least, we could change PutForEnvironment to return the actually created hash
[16:20] <rogpeppe1> frankban: or to have an optional hash passed in that it could check
[16:22] <frankban> rogpeppe1: yeah, I am surprised this check is not done already somewhere in managedstorage
[16:30] <frankban> rogpeppe1: so, if the path and the hash are two different concepts in blobstore, it would be nice if we are able to inject a checker into PutForEnvironment. If PutForEnvironment to returns the actually created hash, that means for each blob with invalid hash we write it to mongo and then delete it. Providing an expectedHash seems specific to our use case at this point.
[16:30] <rogpeppe1> frankban: yes
[16:37] <hatch> heyyal what are you using in Ubuntu for irc? Quassel looks like a good candidate
[16:38] <jcsackett> in unity? xchat. otherwise weechat.
[16:39] <hatch> yeah in Unity
[16:39] <hatch> xchat is just so ugly
[16:39] <hatch> :)
[16:40] <lazyPower> hey hatch - gimme some PeerReview? http://askubuntu.com/questions/507521/juju-charm-relation-hooks-are-not-running/508158#508158
[16:40] <hatch> lazyPower on it
[16:40] <hatch> I already did
[16:40] <hatch> see that upvote
[16:40] <hatch> <---- this guy
[16:40] <hatch> :D
[16:41] <lazyPower> haha
[16:41] <lazyPower> niiiiiice
[16:41] <hatch> now I know why the charm reviews take so long - your busy writing proper AU responses :P
[16:41] <lazyPower> :)
[16:42] <lazyPower> i've had a slew of people contacting me privately in email for help. I'm redirecting them to AU for public knowledge
[16:42] <frankban> rogpeppe1: something like http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7981133/ ? It's bad that in that case we'd need to modify the ManagedStorage interface
[16:43] <jcsackett> hatch: i change the color scheme; there are various themes.
[16:43] <hatch> jcsackett have you used quassel? It really does look nicer
[16:43] <hatch> :)
[16:43] <hatch> lazyPower excellent idea
[16:43] <lazyPower> Quassel for the win. love it.
[16:43] <lazyPower> use it on my phone, tablet, desktop, laptop
[16:44] <hatch> android?
[16:44] <jcsackett> hatch: it's a kde app, though, so the icons don't match up with everything else. or at least they didn't last time i installed it.
[16:44] <hatch> or utouch
[16:44] <lazyPower> droid. i dont see a utouch app for it.
[16:45] <hatch> jcsackett ohh, I'll have to check, I bought the numix gtk3 light theme
[16:45] <hatch> so it comes with a slew of icons
[16:46] <hatch> still can't figure out why the unity dash takes so darn long to open
[16:46] <hatch> when the task-search one is instant
[16:49] <hatch__> Yeah you're right the icons don't match at all heh
[16:52] <jcsackett> yeah.
[16:52] <jcsackett> these days i'm a big fan of weechat.
[16:53] <jcsackett> but that's a terminal app, and if you're using unity, it doesn't integrate with the messagemenu at all, which is vexing.
[16:59] <jrwren> irssi 4 life.
[17:00] <jrwren> I may or may not have that tatoed on my person.
[17:02] <hatch> lol, on your neck probably, amiright?
[17:03] <rogpeppe1> frankban: i wouldn't make the checkers so general. i'd just pass in an expected hash
[17:04] <rogpeppe1> frankban: which can be checked immediately after preprocessUpload
[17:05] <frankban> rogpeppe1: and if empty the check is not done?
[17:05] <rogpeppe1> frankban: yes
[17:05] <frankban> rogpeppe1: that would work, sure
[17:05] <rogpeppe1> frankban: perhaps a *blobstore.ResourceHash
[17:06] <rogpeppe1> which is nil if the check isn't done
[17:09] <hatch> spurious test failure....ugh.....I swear these branches will land eventually!
[17:10] <hatch> can someone ping  juju gui and gui help for me so I can test my new alerts
[17:13] <frankban> rogpeppe1: we will need a blobstore.v2 :-/
[17:13] <rogpeppe1> frankban: well, blobstore isn't gopkg.in, so i guess it can just change in place
[17:14] <kadams54> jujugui guihelp
[17:14] <kadams54> guihelp
[17:14] <hatch> well they highlighted but no ding or notification
[17:14] <hatch> thanks kadams54
[17:14] <hatch> guess I'll have to look into that
[17:15] <frankban> rogpeppe1: well, my point is that we should put in gopkg.in. otherwise I'm not sure about when dependencies should be versioned and when not
[17:16] <rogpeppe1> frankban: i agree.
[17:16] <rogpeppe1> frankban: let's just call it v1
[17:24] <frankban> rogpeppe1: sure, done for the day, have a nice night
[17:24] <rogpeppe1> frankban: g'night
[17:39] <hatch> man I'm having no luck with this charm release - I keep getting huge diffs which cause things to fail hard
[17:40] <hatch> jujugui does anyone else want to take a stab at making the precise charm release?
[18:38] <hatch> jujugui anyone know how I undo a merge in bzr? I havent committed but I want to reset it to HEAD
[18:40] <hatch> revert
[18:40] <hatch> found it :)
[18:46] <hatch> python ppl, what would cause the charm `make lint` to fail with a compiler error from pip?
[18:46] <hatch> says no Python.h ?
[18:47] <hatch> ^ jujugui
[18:47] <jrwren> missing python-devel package
[18:47] <kadams54> python-dev not installed
[18:49] <hatch> thanks
[18:49] <hatch> so....why does something in lint require building python from source?
[18:52] <hatch> ok here is a new one
[18:52] <hatch> python/apt_pkgmodule.h:14:28: fatal error: apt-pkg/hashes.h: No such file or directory
[18:52] <jrwren> did you run make sysdeps?
[18:52] <hatch> negative
[18:52] <hatch> that's not in the instructions lol
[18:53] <hatch> will try that
[18:53] <kadams54> I suspect make lint is running a python library, which needs it and all its dependencies downloaded, optionally compiled, and installed.
[18:54] <jrwren> make sysdeps would have installed a bunch of debs for you, including libapt-pkg-dev (which gives that missing file)  and would have got libpython-dev too.
[18:54] <hatch> sounds like we should be including the compiled versions
[18:54] <hatch> but hey lint passed
[19:09] <hatch> kadams54:  hey any luck on that truncation stuff?
[19:15] <kadams54> hatch: no, though to be honest I kinda forgot about it and was starting on the other card.
[19:15] <kadams54> Which reminds me that I was going to check in with you on what you'd found.
[19:16] <hatch> yeah so this is actually a pretty large issue with how the callbacks are executed
[19:16] <hatch> because we are creating 'ghost' models then removing them and allowing the new ones to be created via the delta
[19:16] <hatch> the time between there there is no model and as such, no UI
[19:17] <hatch> so the proper fix is to have the delta update the appropriate models instead of removing it
[19:17] <hatch> which is an architectural change to how the ecs/env handles it now
[19:17] <hatch> the other approach (which I don't like as much) is to wait until the delta comes in then remove the old one and create a new one
[19:22] <hatch> kadams54:  that match the direction you were working on already?
[19:22] <kadams54> Sure
[19:22] <kadams54> ;-)
[19:22] <kadams54> Why would you rather update than remove and re-create?
[19:23] <kadams54> updating seems like asking for stale data
[19:23] <hatch> there is a lot of infrastructure attached to the existance of the record
[19:23] <hatch> so when they go away/come back lots of things happen
[19:23] <hatch> at scale that could cause the thread to lock up
[19:24] <kadams54> k
[19:24] <kadams54> any gotchas?
[19:24] <hatch> probably....it's the ecs/env
[19:24] <hatch> :P
[19:24] <hatch> that's as far as I got - it's a pretty big change - the env has used the same callback system since day one
[19:25] <hatch> now we are changing it
[19:25] <kadams54> ha ha… *sobs
[19:25] <hatch> if you like you could defer that to either frankban or i
[19:25] <kadams54> i may
[19:25] <hatch> or matt, I think he is back monday
[19:28] <rick_h__> hatch: why don't you like doing the callback on seeing the new item?
[19:28] <hatch> rick_h__:  that's not how it works, atm the callback is fired when juju says "yep I hear ya" we need to wait until the delta comes in then act
[19:29] <rick_h__> hatch: right, but you mention you're not a fan of waiting for the delta to do the callback?
[19:29] <hatch> sorry I meant that I didn't want to remove the old model and create a new one vs just updating the old one
[19:29] <hatch> (after re-reading I see that wasn't clear)
[19:30] <hatch> both approaches require acting when the delta comes in vs the OK from juju
[19:30] <rick_h__> kadams54: definitely feel free to delay on it if you want.
[19:31] <rick_h__> hatch: right, we need to do some adjustment for sure.
[19:32] <hatch> I THINK I've finally got the charm tests to pass successfully
[19:32] <hatch> will see in a bit :)
[19:32] <rick_h__> charm tests? woot?
[19:32] <rick_h__> what blew up the charm tests?
[19:32] <hatch> for the precise release
[19:32] <hatch> no idea....there were a ton of changes causing conflicts and whatnot - I emailed Matt to find out why there were so many changes
[19:33] <hatch> but he is off so will have to wait to see
[19:33] <hatch> I won't push it until I hear back though
[19:33] <rick_h__> ok
[19:33] <kadams54> hatch, rick_h__: OK, taking a different card
[19:33] <hatch> LP even shows commits without diffs which is very odd
[19:33] <hatch> so something got borked up real good
[19:33] <hatch> somehow
[19:34] <hatch> rick_h__:  good news is that CI is back up and running though
[19:34] <rick_h__> hatch: saw that, thanks for the work on that + jcsackett
[19:35] <hatch> it was mostly jcsackett - I was the monkey poking the other monkey with the stick
[19:35] <hatch> I was *just
[19:35] <hatch> :)
[19:35] <rick_h__> :P
[19:40] <hatch> *sigh* I spoke too soon the test failure for the precise charm is still there....
[19:42] <rick_h__> hatch: if you're not sure what's up don't force it. A few more days to figure out the charm won't hurt. Maybe also lean on frankban if he's around tomorrow
[19:43] <hatch> yeah I think I might do that - it's very odd because the code is identical between precise and trusty but precise is the only one which is failing
[19:45] <hatch> I'll fire him an email, hopefully he will have some better luck - I would like to get some real work done :)
[19:45] <hatch> everyone should be on trusty anyways.....right?
[19:45] <hatch> :)
[20:20] <lazyPower> hey hatch, you got a minute?
[20:20] <lazyPower> i'm getting a really strange error from the GUI about the bundle not being a zip file
[20:20] <lazyPower> and i'm not sure if this is gui or deployer
[20:20] <lazyPower> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7982560/
[20:21] <lazyPower> but that bundle looks perfectly acceptable
[20:25] <lazyPower> nevermind, looks like the charms weren't ingested yet
[20:27] <hatch> lazyPower:  sorry stepped away for a sec
[20:27] <lazyPower> its cool, we discovered the root of all evil is ingest
[20:27] <hatch> yeah it's pretty horrible
[20:27] <hatch> :)
[20:33] <rick_h__> but it's going to go away so yay! :)
[20:43] <hatch> haha
[21:32] <hatch> jcsackett:  hey you use github hub right? Do you like it?
[21:36] <hatch> doesn't look like anything quite beats the functionality of GRB
[22:00] <jcsackett> hatch: i am a huge fan of hub.
[22:01] <hatch> jcsackett:  so I frequetly use `grb create` and `grb delete` which creates a local branch, pushes it to the remote, and then tracks it
[22:01] <hatch> the latter of course undoing that but only deleting the local if the source has been merged
[22:01] <hatch> does hub have anything like that? it doesn't appear so
[22:02] <jcsackett> not really, no.
[22:02] <jcsackett> but hey, aliases.
[22:02] <hatch> yeah, so what does hub give you that makes you be a fan?
[22:03] <hatch> like what features do you find very useful
[22:03] <jcsackett> hatch: git checkout $pullrequesturl
[22:03] <jcsackett> it also just cleans up a lot of commands so it's easy to work with github style repos.
[22:03] <jcsackett> also git pull-request -b develop -m "message"
[22:03] <hatch> ahh yeah that one would be helpful
[22:05] <hatch> hmm I'll have to give it a try
[23:13] <huwshimi> Morning
[23:22] <hatch> morning huwshimi
[23:22] <hatch> CI is back up and running
[23:23] <huwshimi> yay!
[23:35] <hatch> huwshimi:  so how goes the x uncommitted branch?
[23:35] <hatch> it's been hanging in starting for a while :)
[23:36] <hatch> kadams54:  hey I also have input on your card in starting :D
[23:37] <huwshimi> hatch: Yeah, that's because I keep starting other things because it's annoying
[23:42] <hatch> haha - ok it's just been sitting there so haven't had anything to say in the standup


[01:16] <johanbr> cjpcjp_: I'd recommend having it as a separate user (the user which your web server runs as)
[01:19] <cjpcjp_> which would be www-data in my case. However, it currently is set as such and yet I keep getting: Forbidden: You don't have permission to access / on this server
[01:20] <cjpcjp_> Somewhat baffled. Where else could permission to the root www folder be set?
[01:26] <sigint> cjpcjp_: Try:
[01:26] <sigint> stat /
[01:26] <sigint> And paste the first line of output that begins with 'Access:'
[01:27] <cjpcjp_> Access: (0755/drwxr-xr-x)  Uid: (    0/    root)   Gid: (    0/    root)
[01:27] <cjpcjp_> Access: 2013-08-24 22:13:20.365102236 -0600
[01:27] <cjpcjp_> Modify: 2013-08-23 16:41:55.716656374 -0600
[01:28] <cjpcjp_> Change: 2013-08-23 16:41:55.716656374 -0600 Birth: -
[01:28] <cjpcjp_> I've never seen 'stat /'
[01:30] <sigint> cjpcjp_: Do the same for /var/www
[01:31] <cjpcjp_> ah, I was being foolish, my bad. Brain is just jelly at this stage in the problem solving game :)
[01:31] <cjpcjp_> Access: (0755/drwxr-xr-x)  Uid: (   33/www-data)   Gid: (   33/www-data)
[01:31] <cjpcjp_> Access: 2013-08-25 16:51:21.113322560 -0600
[01:31] <cjpcjp_> Modify: 2013-08-25 13:15:05.416354924 -0600
[01:31] <cjpcjp_> Change: 2013-08-25 18:01:22.202833739 -0600 Birth: -
[01:31] <cjpcjp_> Uid = User ID Gid = Group ID
[01:32] <cjpcjp_> I get it now haha
[01:32] <sigint> Were you trying to access /var/www as www-data? If you weren't it'd cause problems
[01:35] <cjpcjp_> I made the unbelievable error of setting a sweeping permission to /var/www that gave it to the main user. After rebooting my server last night, everything went to the shits good sir and I've been trying to remedy it by setting to default
[01:36] <cjpcjp_> So I take it I should be able to access /var/www with www-data:www-data
[01:36] <cjpcjp_> Yet I am not
[01:38] <sigint> cjpcjp_: I bet if you did:
[01:38] <sigint> stat /var/www/*
[01:38] <sigint> you'd see some strange permissions
[01:41] <cjpcjp_> I do indeed.
[01:42] <cjpcjp_> Hmm.. however the main folder that holds the site trying to be accessed is www-data:www-data
[01:43] <cjpcjp_> I would imagine all I need is /var/www and /var/www/webite to be www-data:www-data for it to be accessible remotely, no?
[01:43] <sigint> sudo chown -R www-data:www-data /var/www
[01:44] <sigint> sudo chmod -R 0755 /var/www
[01:44] <sigint> Run those two commands
[01:44] <sigint> then try again
[01:44] <sigint> Maybe it's something weird other than that, buuut leave no stone unturned before you start tearing your hair out
[01:45] <sigint> If you need the explanation, the first command will make /var/www and all its subfiles owned by www-data. The second will give www-data read/write/execute perms and will give anyone else just read and execute
[01:46] <sigint> In fact that might not be the proper permission... I'm not sure if www-data would generally need write permissions and I'm not convinced that anyone else needs exec permissions... but it'd certainly work
[01:46] <cjpcjp_> true. curious, I am running ISPConfig and its permissions are set to another user, is it safe to say that I could reset those perms afterwards?
[01:46] <sigint> I'm not familiar with ISPConfig, just a moment
[01:47] <cjpcjp_> sudo chown -R ispconfig:ispconfig /var/www/ispconfig
[01:47] <sigint> That would probably work fine, I think
[01:48] <cjpcjp_> I would love to be able to see the goup and user when I 'ls-l' command, however it just shows the user
[01:48] <cjpcjp_> let's give it a go!
[01:49] <sigint> You may need to give ispconfig some additional permissions, but you can cross that bridge when you get to it
[01:50] <sigint> Actually scratch that, it should be fine. although if you're running ispconfig it looks like you'll definitly need write perms for www-data
[01:50] <cjpcjp_> holy beans, it stills doesn't work!?
[01:50] <sigint> Ruh-roh
[01:50] <cjpcjp_> I restarted apache2 as well
[01:51] <sigint> What is apache2 running as?
[01:51] <cjpcjp_> root
[01:51] <cjpcjp_> should be, right?
[01:52] <sigint> Well... no
[01:52] <sigint> It should be running as www-data
[01:52] <sigint> That is a problem. If you are running a legit server as root, you should fix that immediately
[01:52] <cjpcjp_> I'm curious sigint, this all started yesterday when I rebooted my server. First thing I noticed was that when finished booting, I started in a Login Shell instead of an Interactive one, I no longer begin in bash.
[01:53] <cjpcjp_> I'm wondering if there is any correlation? I don't believe so
[01:53] <cjpcjp_> oh really!
[01:53] <cjpcjp_> should it be user instead?
[01:53] <cjpcjp_> ok
[01:53] <sigint> sec, battery
[01:54] <cjpcjp_> would the commands be: sudo chown -R www-data:www-data /etc/apache2/*
[01:54] <sigint> Nope
[01:54] <cjpcjp_> then: sudo chmod -R 0755 /etc/apache2/*
[01:55] <sigint> Just a second, I'll get back to you
[01:55] <cjpcjp_> thanks so much sigint, I really appreciate your help
[01:59] <sigint> Can you run this for me? ps -ef | grep apache
[01:59] <sigint> I may have been mistaken earlier
[01:59] <sigint> It could also shed light on the problem
[02:00] <cjpcjp_> root      6340     1  0 19:50 ?        00:00:00 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start
[02:00] <cjpcjp_> www-data  6344  6340  0 19:50 ?        00:00:00 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start
[02:00] <cjpcjp_> www-data  6370  6340  0 19:50 ?        00:00:00 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start
[02:00] <cjpcjp_> www-data  6371  6340  0 19:50 ?        00:00:00 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start
[02:00] <cjpcjp_> www-data  6372  6340  0 19:50 ?        00:00:00 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start
[02:00] <cjpcjp_> www-data  6373  6340  0 19:50 ?        00:00:00 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start
[02:00] <cjpcjp_> www-data  6374  6340  0 19:50 ?        00:00:00 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start
[02:00] <cjpcjp_> www-data  6400  6340  0 19:50 ?        00:00:00 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start
[02:00] <sigint> Oh okay, that looks fine. Forget the blather I said about root
[02:00] <cjpcjp_> avis      7284 20875  0 19:59 pts/10   00:00:00 grep --color=auto apachehaha! it's all good, process of elimination
[02:00] <cjpcjp_> hehaha! it's all good, process of elimination
[02:01] <sigint> Okay, well, all the permissions look good... just reiterate for me, what exactly are you trying to do that's causing this error?
[02:02] <cjpcjp_> I was trying to install graylog2 with Mongodb. Finished the installation taken from here:http://mrickert.com/2013/04/04/install-and-setup-graylog2-on-ubuntu-12-04/
[02:02] <cjpcjp_> Had to restart and the world fell a part
[02:03] <cjpcjp_> *apart
[02:04] <cjpcjp_> I've since turned off the service itself: graylog-server
[02:05] <cjpcjp_> I should note that once I attemoted to reboot, it hanged on Radicale service (a calendar service) which I have since removed from /sites-enabled and uninstalled
[02:05] <sigint> I see
[02:06] <sigint> So you get an error while trying to install as per those instructions? At what step? And what exactly was the error?
[02:06] <cjpcjp_> no errors actually. whole thing ran perfectly
[02:06] <cjpcjp_> the only issues I felt that may have caused problems was* add graylog2 webserver by modifying the default site:
[02:06] <cjpcjp_> /etc/apache2/sites-available/default
[02:07] <sigint> I see... so what exactly is the problem? Are you unable to use the web interfae?
[02:08] <cjpcjp_> when I go to my server via browser pixel.uni.cx it doesn't load the index.html
[02:08] <cjpcjp_> at first it loaded my phpbb forums, now nothing, just good ol' fashioned forbidden /
[02:08] <sigint> Oh, hahaha this isn't what I expected
[02:09] <sigint> I can't remember how to fix this off the top of my head, I'm not an apache expert. But I have encountered it before and I remember it being totally simple
[02:09] <sigint> Gimme a minute or two
[02:09] <sigint> (if anyone DOES know off the top of their head, please chime in)
[02:10] <cjpcjp_> you're a blessing sigint! I've tried all I know with Googlefu, so a fresh mind is much appreciated
[02:16] <sigint> cjpcjp_: Can you pastebin your /etc/apache2/sites-available/default?
[02:17] <cjpcjp_> sure
[02:17] <cjpcjp_> http://pastebin.com/KJBSu3Uh
[02:18] <sigint> Thanks
[02:21] <cjpcjp_> no thank you
[02:22] <cjpcjp_> see anything out of the ordinary?
[02:22] <sigint> I don't think so, but I'm researching
[02:23] <sigint> Oh, can you do ls /etc/apache2/sites-available
[02:24] <sigint> and let me know what you see?
[02:28] <cjpcjp_> k
[02:29] <cjpcjp_> http://pastebin.com/duWna6me
[02:30] <cjpcjp_> apps.vhost belongs to owncloud service
[02:30] <cjpcjp_> forums is phpbb
[02:30] <cjpcjp_> munin is monitoring software that just doesn't like me :) and therefor, doesn't work
[02:30] <cjpcjp_> pastebin is my own pastebin
[02:31] <cjpcjp_> pcl.uni.cx is a url shortener
[02:31] <cjpcjp_> *pxl.uni.cx
[02:31] <cjpcjp_> and of course wiki is mediawiki
[02:32] <sigint> Geez that's a lot of stuff, haha
[02:32] <sigint> I can't lie, I'm clutching at straws here a little. So if you're losing interest or want to looks elsewhere, no need to consume your time. But if you'd lie me to keep trying, could you pastebin the files for your forum and for graylog2?
[02:34] <cjpcjp_> Any help you can provide, I am more than grateful sigint. If you're still willing, I will keep troubleshooting with you.
[02:34] <sigint> Alright, well, hit me :)
[02:34] <cjpcjp_> haha! awesome
[02:34] <cjpcjp_> k, one sec
[02:34] <sigint> I get something out of this too anyway. Learning is fun
[02:35] <cjpcjp_> should the default file not have as much stuff?
[02:35] <cjpcjp_> graylog2: http://pastebin.com/WY743xEp
[02:36] <cjpcjp_> indeed, no better way to learn than troubleshoot
[02:36] <sigint> Whoops, I think I may have found the problem
[02:36] <sigint> Your default looks normal, it matches mine exactly
[02:36] <sigint> but,
[02:37] <sigint> Okay, let me take a step back actually
[02:37] <cjpcjp_> awesome!
[02:37] <sigint> When you load pixel.uni.cx, what are you expecting to see?  I think.
[02:43] <sigint> One other short-term option
[02:43] <sigint> Ahh, forget that actually
[02:43] <sigint> Just disable it
[02:43] <cjpcjp_> Site graylog2 disabled.
[02:43] <cjpcjp_> To activate the new configuration, you need to run: service apache2 reload
[02:44] <cjpcjp_> k, I've reloaded apache2 and now I get the forums directly from visiting pixel.uni.cx
[02:45] <sigint> Excellent, that wasn't that complicated
[02:45] <cjpcjp_> http://pixel.uni.cx/pixel/index.html
[02:45] <cjpcjp_> The requested URL /pixel/index.html was not found on this server.
[02:45] <sigint> Hmm, is the file actually there? in /var/www/pixel
[02:48] <cjpcjp_> there is an index.html there, yes
[02:49] <cjpcjp_> this is the folder /var/www/pixel http://i.imgur.com/Cv9iDKt.png
[02:51] <cjpcjp_> I don't understand why it would ignore the index.html
[02:52] <sigint> Now that's odd
[02:52] <sigint> ... no it's not actually, haha
[02:52] <sigint> I think I got it again
[02:52] <sigint> Can you show me /etc/apache2/sites-available/forums
[02:52] <sigint> please?
[02:53] <cjpcjp_> yup
[02:54] <cjpcjp_> forums: http://pastebin.com/ZaxBsT1L
[02:55] <cjpcjp_> AllowOverride All
[02:55] <cjpcjp_> is that it! is that the culprit?
[02:55] <cjpcjp_> should it be AllowOverride None
[02:55] <sigint> I'm not completely sure what that does, but I can tell you that the file itself is the culprit
[02:55] <sigint> Line 6 overrides your document root again
[02:56] <cjpcjp_> really? shall we disable it for nwo?
[02:56] <cjpcjp_> *now?
[02:57] <sigint> Yes
[02:57] <sigint> I'm not convinced that you actually need it, but try that
[03:40] <DarwinSurvivor> sigint: your "chmod -R" above will make everything executable in that directory (including files, images, etc). Not the safest was to run the web server...
[03:41] <sigint> Yes, silly of me
[04:19] <cjpcjp_> the default host was not enabled
[04:19] <cjpcjp_> wrong chat


[00:08] <festerB> pilne: the close buttun
[00:08] <festerB> button^
[00:15] <Gallomimia> well so far i quite like MATE
[00:15] <Gallomimia> could stand with a few tools to manage panels and applets i think. they're so extensive. templates and ideas for setups would be cool
[00:16] <pilne> there are a few in the mate tweak
[00:16] <pilne> hrm festerB i'm not sure what's going on then
[00:16] <pilne> how are you installing the games?
[00:19] <festerB> pilne: the usual way I guess, ubuntu software center and/or ubuntu software
[00:22] <pilne> hrm, when i go to system/control center/main menu. games is checked already, and all of the possible entries for it are checked as well. I didn't mess with anything from the default in this regard
[00:24] <festerB> pilne: same here, newish 16.04 mate install, not an upgrade
[00:30] <pilne> yeup, the *only* difference is that i've used the command line (apt or apt-get) for everything, but that shouldn't do fuckall really
[00:30] <pilne> are you using the "regular" or "advanced" menu?
[00:33] <kisb> how to install ubuntu tweak in 16.04
[00:33] <kisb> ppa is failing
[00:37] <festerB> pilne: how can I check? reg v adv?
[00:40] <pilne> unity tweak and gnome tweak probably shouldn't be installed in mint
[00:41] <pilne> the panel, does it show just one icon, or "applications, places, system"
[00:41] <pilne> errr mate
[00:41] <kisb> trying to test out flatabulous theme
[00:42] <Gallomimia> ive looked all thru the mate tweak. lots of good options, but still need a few ideas on panel gizmos
[00:42] <Gallomimia> i'm pleased with the cpu clock watcher
[00:44] <Gallomimia> tho having an 8 core cpu makes it tough to watch them all. maybe something that showed if any were different
[00:44] <festerB> pilne: places, system, close to bottom, 9 other items above, 3 below, logout. lock and shutdown
[00:45] <pilne> so it is one "button" to get to all of it? like windows "start button" style, or are there three distinct "buttons" that make menus?
[00:46] <festerB> pilne: start button style, yes
[00:46] <pilne> that's the advanced menu, let me see how mine behaves if i toggle to it
[00:47] <festerB> pilne: how do u toggle it back?
[00:48] <pilne> get to the "control center" "mate tweak" "interface" and then there is a clicky button for "enable advanced menu"
[00:50] <festerB> pilne: ah, "enable advanced menu" is gray'ed out here
[00:52] <pilne> maybe because of the panel you are using? i have mine on "ubuntu mate"
[01:01] <festerB> pilne: just tried, no luck, i'm using redmond, tried both reg and adv, no luck, i'm now noticing that games and other are in italics in edit menu, possibly it's not detecting any games on the system
[01:05] <glass> does mate have a pre installed command line browser?
[01:05] <glass> internet browser that is.
[01:05] <pilne> hrm festerB yer gettin outta where i understand that
[01:05] <pilne> not as far as I've seen glass
[01:06] <glass> thanks pilne: is links the goto one as far as you know?
[01:09] <festerB> pilne: got games showing up, installed tux racer from the software boutiqe and it shows up now
[01:09] <pilne> nice festerB!
[01:10] <festerB> sheesh kebab, so many software <your ymmv> installs... ;)
[01:10] <pilne> links, lynx, links2 are all there, and i think there are a couple other cli browsers as well
[01:16] <glass> any of those have flash support?
[01:17] <glass> nevermind realized how lazy that was im checking them now lol
[01:18] <pilne> links2 can call external things, but i'm not sure you can flash in either tbh
[01:18] <glass> guess im going to have to reflash my router and make it dd-wrt
[03:56] <n-iCe> hello guys
[03:56] <n-iCe> how is this distro working for laptops?
[04:02] <sinewav> Using it now on a Dell Inspiron 1525 and no problems.
[04:03] <shantorn> it works very well on my 5 year old asus u43jc
[04:04] <n-iCe> better than lubuntu?
[04:05] <shantorn> i cant say i havent run lubuntu,but its quick on my machine
[04:05] <sinewav> I would say yes, the trade off in performance for so many features is worth it. I was using Xubuntu before this but lately Thunar is broken horribly.
[04:05] <n-iCe> and what about ubuntu?
[04:06] <sinewav> Haven't run straight Ubuntu in years. My hardware is over 6 years old.
[04:06] <n-iCe> I see
[05:01] <kaiza> Trying to upgrade from 15.10 to 16.04 I get 'Cannot calculate upgrade' error about held broken packages
[05:02] <kaiza> but I can't seem to determine which packages using
[05:02] <kaiza> grep -A 5 -B 5 ERROR /var/log/dist-upgrade/main.log
[05:03] <kaiza> anyone know of other ways to determine the held broken packages?
[05:14] <kaiza> I may have found the culprit. Experimental graphics drivers ppa
[05:25] <n-iCe> Wow, the ubuntu mate iso is bigger than the Ubuntu one, how is that possible?
[05:26] <n-iCe> 1.64GB
[05:34] <Mikaela> n-iCe: I think Ubuntu MATE includes better translation support out of the box while Ubuntu one requires downloading them during or after installation
[05:34] <n-iCe> Mikaela: I see
[05:35] <n-iCe> Mikaela: have you used lubuntu?
[05:38] <Mikaela> Yes, but not eecebtly
[05:38] <n-iCe> I'm downloading Ubuntu Mate, somehow I read in an article that is one of the best distros for laptops.
[05:40] <n-iCe> Mikaela: you just use mate?
[07:42] <jack> Hello
[07:42] <alkisg> Hello
[07:42] <codymkw> sometimes when turning computer on it says Failed to start LSB: QEMU KVM module loading script.
[07:43] <alkisg> codymkw: that means this service is failing for you: /etc/init.d/qemu-kvm
[07:44] <alkisg> You can check the logs to find out why it failed, or you can try to start it manually
[07:53] <codymkw> what is it for?
[07:53] <ouroumov> codymkw, virtual machines
[08:08] <alkisg> flexiondotorg, bennabiy: I attached a patch in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mate/+bug/1568170
[08:12] <alkisg> flexiondotorg: do you mind if I also request ubottu here, so that it reacts when bugs are mentioned and tells us the description etc?
[08:39] <alkisg> bennabiy: btw, in the installation where you were experiencing the advanced menu crash, do you have the package "ubuntu-mate-desktop" installed? Here in one pc that I experienced it, I didn't have that package, while in other, more recent installations, I do have it
[08:40] <alkisg> Ouch, installing ubuntu-mate-desktop pulls in unity and a lot of other packages that shouldn't be pulled...
[10:18] <watsug> Hello, I have a question about the mouse settings in Ubuntu MATE. Is it possible to change the mouse pointer speed without using acceleration?
[10:39] <festerB> watsug: not sure I understand, do you mean from the command line or with some other settings tool?
[10:51] <watsug> festerB, Is it not possible in the mouse preferences window? The one built in.
[10:55] <festerB> watsug: yes, I was using that menu the other day after a fresh install, I was having trouble with the mose on window edges when trying til resize them, got it fixed by using the sensitivity slider, not acceleration, are you having similar problems with the mouse?
[10:56] <festerB> errr... mose=mouse ;)
[11:25] <rajiv_> I have downloaded gnome-software on ubuntu-mate 16.04 lts. When first time i open it, it was not working. So, i turn off the computer.But now when i turn on the computer it is working properly. Someone please tell me if possible why the gnome-softeare was not working as soon as i installed it.
[11:29] <Akuli> rajiv_: Had it fully finished installing and how was it not working?
[11:33] <rajiv_> Akuli: When i first open it, it says me to update something and i allow it to update by clicking on "yes" option. thereafter i waited for at least 1 hour in front of the computer by opening gnome-software but it does nothing.
[11:34] <Akuli> I think logging out and back in would have been enough
[11:36] <rajiv_> I think you are right. thank you for help. How i was not think about it:)
[13:05] <ubuntu-mate> hi
[14:03] <bruce_> some times the network connection doesn't work ubuntu 16.01?
[14:06] <nomic> what type of network
[14:06] <bruce_> wired
[14:06] <nomic> would think that network issues are hardware related , firstly look at that
[14:06] <nomic> nfs?
[14:06] <nomic> ask on forums because this place isn't always that  busy
[14:07] <bruce_> I have to reboot then it works
[14:07] <nomic> https://ubuntu-mate.community/   http://ubuntuforums.org/
[14:07] <nomic> your networking stays working for how long?
[14:08] <bruce_> as long as the computer is on
[14:09] <bruce_> I just updated from 14.01 . It worked fine with that .
[14:09] <Akuli> You can still user 14.04
[14:09] <Akuli> user
[14:09] <Akuli> use
[14:09] <Akuli> lol
[14:09] <bruce_> no I can't.
[14:10] <Akuli> Why not?
[14:10] <Akuli> Just back up and install 14.04 :)
[14:10] <bruce_> cause i updated the computer to 16.01
[14:10] <Akuli> The computer didn't change any, you can always back up everything and install 14.04
[14:11] <Akuli> Just the content of the hard drive changed when you upgraded :)
[14:11] <bruce_> Do you mean 16.01 is flafey
[14:11] <Akuli> No, but you can move to 14.04 if you want
[14:11] <bruce_> flakey    bad
[14:12] <Akuli> Anyway, i'm pretty sure you can get your network issue fixed anyway :)
[14:12] <bruce_> it workes sometimes
[14:13] <bruce_> a good OS would work all the time
[14:13] <Akuli> A good network manager would work all the time :)
[14:13] <Akuli> What exactly happens when it doesn't work?
[14:13] <bruce_> that is not me
[14:14] <bruce_> the two little arrows aren't there
[14:15] <Akuli> so the whole thing just goes away?
[14:15] <bruce_> up at the top right of menu bar
[14:15] <Akuli> Next time that happens open a terminal and type nm-applet
[14:16] <Akuli> Or an Alt+F2 box if you don't want to have a terminal running all the time just to use your internet connection
[14:16] <bruce_> OK I wrote that down
[14:17] <bruce_> I will give that a try
[14:19] <bruce_> thanks   bye
[14:45] <Akuli> Hi khw :)
[14:49] <khw> The Software Updater dialog box says 16.04 is available (I have Ubuntu MATE 15.10).  If I click the Upgrade button  am I going to get Ubuntu Mate or non-Mate?
[14:50] <khw> Akuli, trying it here too.
[14:50] <Akuli> ubuntu mate
[14:50] <ouroumov> Should be Ubuntu MATE. But that's weird that you're seeing that in your updater, I thought it wasn't going to happen before the 16.04.1 point release
[14:50] <Akuli> because to get non-mate ubuntu it'd have to install some stuff :)
[14:51] <Akuli> BUT
[14:51] <Akuli> i don't recommend upgrading just yet
[14:51] <Akuli> ubuntu 16.04 is offically lts, but after all 14.04 is more reliable
[14:52] <ouroumov> Akuli, he's currently on 15.10 though
[14:53] <Akuli> oh well :)
[14:53] <Akuli> Then 16.04 is probably an improvement
[14:53] <Akuli> not based on my personal experience though, but i'm not biased so i can recommend it
[14:54] <teward> ouroumov: 15.10 -> 16.04, not 14.04 -> 16.04
[14:54] <teward> the LTS to LTS won't be up until 16.04.1 i believe
[14:57] <khw> It is definitely my experience that 15.10 is much better than 14.04 (I think it was)
[14:58] <ouroumov> teward, you mean not-lts releases are seing the upgrade now? Didn't know, thanks.
[14:58] <Akuli> khw: depends on what you want, i'd never install 15.10 on an actual computer
[14:59] <teward> ouroumov: AFAIK yes, but i can spin up 15.10 and check :P
[14:59] <teward> ... later
[14:59]  * teward is busy
[14:59] <khw> ouroumov, my 15.10 started showing the upgrade at least a couple weeks ago.
[15:00] <ouroumov> aighty
[15:10] <bennabiy> alkisg: I will check
[15:11] <bennabiy> alkisg: ubuntu-mate-desktop is not installed
[15:38] <Shavington> Hi all
[16:08] <festerB> is there a formal date out on 16.04.1?
[16:15] <mate|21499> Should casuals use ubuntu mate?
[16:16] <hid|ninja> mate|21499: yes, it's a good alternative to windows
[16:17] <hid|ninja> windows is spying on their users, i dont think ubuntu does
[16:18] <mate|21499> Hope so :D I am trying to switch right now but it is very difficult for me
[16:19] <sixwheeledbeast> difficult in what ways?
[16:20] <mate|21499> many of my task still require windows
[16:20] <mate|21499> I found similar software for linux but I still have to test it and get used to the software
[16:22] <mordoc> Hang in there, I personally find I have to go cold turkey and force myself to use what Linux offers.
[16:22] <sixwheeledbeast> what tasks?
[16:25] <mate|21499> I often do video editing for work and school and image design, work on sound and so on. I am used to the adobe CC but  they dont offer anything for linux so I ll try to get used to lightworks, gimp and for the other stuff I am still searching for professional alternatives
[16:25] <sixwheeledbeast> You can use Wine compatibility layer for many windows only software. I found switching years ago a breeze and never even missed windows at all.
[16:26] <Guest88794> for video editing you can try kdenlive. It is semiprofessional but make sure you safe your files from time to time. There are still some bugs left
[16:27] <MrBIOS> also worth looking at http://www.pitivi.org/
[16:27] <sixwheeledbeast> In fact i can do many things more efficiently. GIMP is pretty solid for picture editting
[16:27] <mate|21499> there is the problem for me. I need very reliable software
[16:27] <mate|21499> okay, I ll check it
[16:27] <Guest88794> pitivi is a smaller solution than kdenlive but also o.k.
[16:28] <Guest88794> gimp is great and especially under linux you have many ad on options
[16:28] <MrBIOS> might also want to take a look at Cinelarra
[16:28] <sixwheeledbeast> Audacity for audio editing
[16:29] <Guest88794> Cinelerra is super but with a steep learning curve
[16:30] <Guest88794> question about ubuntu mate 16.04 which I have installed recentely on different (older) machines
[16:30] <Guest88794> ....on two IBM T43 different behaviour concerning stopping.
[16:31] <Guest88794> on the one machine everything is fine
[16:31] <Guest88794> on the other one it takes minutes to shut down the system
[16:31] <Guest88794> the other installation is on a HP 2510p
[16:32] <Guest88794> the start screen shows only a grey window (might be scale 4:3) the native screen is 16:9
[16:32] <Guest88794> basically everything works absolutely fine on all machines besides these
[16:32] <Guest88794> ramp up and stop "issues" ....(not really issues)
[16:32] <Guest88794> does anyone have a clue?
[16:35] <sixwheeledbeast> mate|21499: https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=29832 if you really need adobe cc it runs in Wine (see link)  I would look for FOSS alternative myself
[16:59] <festerB> Guest88794: I would start by making sure your pc's are using proprietary video drivers - ibm's and hp - or the other way around if they already are
[17:03] <Guest88794> festerB: thanks for that hint. Everything concerning video works aboslutely fine on all 3 machines ....besides start up and stop. Do you still think that a proprietary driver could be a solution?
[17:03] <Guest88794> question: are there log files especially for the start/stop procedure somewhere under /var/log ?
[17:04] <Akuli> maybe you need an older kernel for an older computer?
[17:04] <Akuli> But check the video drivers first
[17:06] <festerB> Guest88794: On my system there's one more proprietary driver for the chipset, you can't miss it when you look at the video one's, they are presented in the same place
[17:06] <Guest88794> o.k. will do that. I come from Linux Mint LTS 12.04 and have to say that with the new Ubuntu Mate 16.04 all machines do need less CPU now, do not run warm any more and run smoother especially when it comes to firefox and internet
[17:07] <Guest88794> festerB can you quickly tell me where to find the drivers? So far I have no proprietary ones on my system. Can I download from the HP homepage?
[17:07] <Guest88794> ...or from the repositories?
[17:08] <festerB> Guest88794: Settings->Software and updates->Additional drivers tab
[17:10] <Guest88794> festerB ...I will check ....
[17:12] <Guest88794> festerB: it says (what I knew before...) that I do not use proprietary drivers on my system. Question: where do I get the proprietarien ones from? (e.g. directly from HP?)
[17:14] <Guest88794> oh..it found a proprietary driver: but for the CPU which seems to work great (see above) less CPU usage than before
[17:15] <festerB> Guest88794: I'm guessing here but I think your system will detect and install correct drivers, are the ibm's and hp connected to the network?
[17:15] <Guest88794> yes sir, they are. I am with the machine we are talking about in the IRC right now
[17:16] <festerB> Guest88794: Also on the first tab on Software and updates, make sure the proprietary box is checked
[17:16] <Guest88794> ...let me check
[17:19] <Guest88794> ...these boxes are ticket: I am using "restricted" and "multiverse" i.e. proprietary is included
[17:20] <Guest88794> festerB: may be the ubuntu 16.04 distro is still so "young" lets wait and see, may be these tiny "issues" will be gone sooner or later. The distro itself is just great!
[17:21] <Guest88794> thanks for the help in the chat, I am afk now. A great day to all of you guys!
[17:21] <festerB> Guest88794: ok,np
[17:37] <mate|33116> Hi, i wonder if someone can help me, I have been having problems playing videos in Youtube for a while now, my system is up to date, and firefox and chromium both do not work?
[17:37] <nomic> on a pi?
[17:37] <mate|33116> No PC
[17:38] <nomic> maybe try using the mate browser
[17:38] <nomic> or download youtubes using youtube-dl
[17:39] <mate|33116> well other users are saying that theres works fine
[17:39] <nomic> ask on forums
[17:39] <mate|33116> ive search forums, no solid answers?
[17:39] <nomic> https://ubuntu-mate.community/
[17:39] <nomic> post question
[17:39] <nomic> http://ubuntuforums.org/
[17:40] <mate|33116> i do believe there is another answer to this
[17:40] <sixwheeledbeast> mate|33116: what happens when you try to play youtube video?
[17:41] <mate|33116> an error ocurred. please try again later (Playback ID....)
[17:42] <mate|33116> on chromium and firefox is the same, i have ubuntu restricted extras installed also
[17:45] <sixwheeledbeast> mate|33116: go to http://www.youtube.com/html5 to see if your using html5
[17:47] <mate|33116> ive already checked and i am
[17:47] <mate|33116> The HTML5 player is currently used when possible.
[17:48] <sixwheeledbeast> well I have no issue on html5 or flash with ff. does the video play at all?
[17:51] <mate|33116> on firefox the video just hangs, no sound, doesnt start, not even the adverts, and just says "if playback doesnt begin shortly, try restarting device"
[17:56] <gordonjcp> mate|33116: are you using an adblocker?
[17:56] <sixwheeledbeast> Have you rebooted? tried firefox in safe mode?
[17:57] <gordonjcp> mate|33116: youtube have got *really* obnoxious of late with their adverts
[17:57] <gordonjcp> and if you're running an adblocker, you get no video at all
[17:58] <mate|33116> im not running any adblockers
[18:02] <mate|33116> it at least trys to play video on firefox --safe-mode, but still nothing ?
[18:02] <mate|33116> nope same message as before
[18:13] <sixwheeledbeast> if you have started in safe mode with all addons disabled then it's not firefox. Is anything else not working correctly?
[18:19] <Akuli> mate|33116: which version of firefox? have you updated it?
[18:19] <Akuli> mate|33116: try reinstalling: sudo apt-get install --reinstall firefox
[18:19] <Akuli> sudo apt-get update first
[18:45] <mate|33116> sudo apt-get install --reinstall firefox , has made no difference still will not play youtube videos?
[18:51] <mate|33116> Im using Firefox 46
[19:08] <mate|33116> ok so theres no answers then
[19:10] <sixwheeledbeast> mate|33116: check your graphics drivers in System > Prefs > Hardware > Additional Drivers.
[19:10] <sixwheeledbeast> bye...
[19:14] <alkisg> bennabiy: can you comment about it in the bug report? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mate/+bug/1568170
[19:28] <scottman> new to mate, setting up my vpns, does it not show a lock icon when in vpn mode?
[19:29] <rajiv1> Is it necessary to restart the computer after completely removing a package by using the command "sudo apt purge <package name>?
[19:30] <alkisg> Usually no, unless it's some special package with services etc
[19:32] <chewey> I have a 4096x2160 display connected to a Skylake-driven Displayport – but I can only set a meximum resolution of 3840x2160 in Ubuntu Mate 16.04, even using the 4.6 drm-intel-next kernel. Any idea about where I could kick it?
[19:34] <chewey> Interesting aside: The Ubuntu (non-MATE) installer used the whole display width, the installed (non-MATE) Ubuntu however didn't even make it to the login screen…
[19:35] <alkisg> chewey: try asking in #ubuntu-x
[19:35] <alkisg> It's kernel + graphics related, not much desktop-environment specific...
[19:35] <rajiv1> alkisg: Actually  i have just removed gnome-software because its not working properly . Do i need a restart before installing it again?
[19:36] <alkisg> rajiv1: no, you shouldn't need to restart. Did its postinst finish running?
[19:36] <rajiv1> alkisg:yes.
[19:37] <alkisg> Did you install it via the terminal, apt-get install etc?
[19:37] <rajiv1> alkisg: yes.
[19:38] <alkisg> What does it do and it doesn't work properly?
[19:39] <rajiv1> alkisg: I think it was not working properly. whenever i open it it does nothing.
[19:40] <chewey> alkisg: The DE seems to have some influence too: installing MATE on the plain Ubuntu setup made the login work.
[19:40] <chewey> But thanks for the pointer to the other channel.
[19:42] <alkisg> chewey: that's just grub using vga=xxx or nomodeset etc, not really de specific
[19:42] <alkisg> Or metacity not using 3d, while compiz uses 3d, stuff like that
[19:43] <alkisg> Those don't address the actual issue
[19:44] <chewey> right
[20:03] <ubuntu_> Hello World!!!
[20:04] <ubuntu_> any body here?
[20:05] <ubuntu_> .
[20:56] <bennabiy> alkisg: what would you like for me to comment about? The missing ubuntu-mate-desktop?
[20:56] <alkisg> bennabiy: that you experienced the bug
[20:57] <alkisg> With noone mentioning that he still has a bug there, there will be no need to fix it
[20:57] <alkisg> And yes as a side note you could mention what you see and that you don't have ubuntu-mate-desktop installed and why (if you know) etc
[20:58] <bennabiy> It just was not installed with my fresh install
[20:58] <alkisg> Mine too, but I'm still not sure why we don't have that package
[21:07] <odroid> odroid in da housee
[21:09] <odroid> is hearthstone on linux yet?
[21:17] <Mordoc> Has anyone seen a fix for the missing mouse when switching users bug? It's Ubuntu wide apparently, just looking for info from an informed community.
[21:19] <rene__> has anyone got an idea on how i could get Flash to work on Ubuntu Mate 16.04 PPC
[21:21] <rene__> or youtube
[23:11] <scott_> Scott