[07:05] <bagpuss> mjr: what would the line in fstab look like?  There's  an fstab line for /dev/hdc to mount it to /medcia/cdrom0
[07:05] <LinuxJones> jamaas, are you running warty or hoary
[07:06] <bagpuss>  /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0
[07:06] <mjr> well that should probably do it
[07:06] <jamaas> LinuxJones: warty
[07:07] <mjr> are you in the plugdev group?
[07:07] <bagpuss> well, it fails to work :(
[07:07] <LinuxJones> jamaas, you don't have the universe repository enabled
[07:07] <bagpuss> mjr: yes
[07:07] <jamaas> LinuxJones: thought I did, how can I make sure ..
[07:08] <bagpuss> groups=4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),44(video),103(plugdev),107(lpadmin),108(scanner),1000(andy)
[07:08] <LinuxJones> jamaas, easiest is to run synaptic then >> settings >>reposiroties
[07:09] <jamaas> LinuxJones: I think you got me, how do I add universe?
[07:09] <bagpuss> it also fails to play a DVD when insertes...again, ticked in properties :(
[07:10] <LinuxJones> jamaas, click the ubuntu repsoitory (that has main in the section)  add the sections to look like this >> main restricted universe
[07:10] <Kamion> jamaas: libldap2-dev is in warty main; you shouldn't need universe for that
[07:10] <Kamion> jamaas: it's not on the CD, though, so make sure you have the network repositories enabled
[07:11] <Kamion> LinuxJones: shouldn't be necessary for GNOME!
[07:11] <LinuxJones> jamaas, there you go
[07:11] <Kamion> LinuxJones: think about it: we build GNOME for Ubuntu using what's in main
[07:11] <LinuxJones> Kamion, I just assumed it was in there because he couldn't install it via apt
[07:11] <Kamion> always best to check first
[07:12] <Kamion> universe's unsupported nature means it's best only to use it when it's necessary
[07:13] <xuzo> hi
[07:13] <merlin0> hello
[07:13] <xuzo> i got a sugestion about gnome-panel
[07:14] <Amaranth> xuzo: The Ubuntu folks didn't create GNOME. :)
[07:14] <LinuxJones> Kamion, he wan't to compile gnome for something to do, using Garanome
[07:14] <xuzo> Amaranth: yes, i know
[07:14] <xuzo> but i think ubuntu can fix this issue
[07:14] <Kamion> LinuxJones: yes, I read that
[07:14] <LinuxJones> Kamion, but I understand you point thanks
[07:14] <Amaranth> xuzo: What's the issue?
[07:14] <pao> where do I set up gnome theme colors?
[07:15] <Amaranth> ahh, they took the funny message out of About Panels
[07:15] <xuzo> Amaranth: click on panel to give keyboard focus
[07:15] <jamaas> LinuxJones: Kamion I'm thrilled for the help really but you guys go so fast yo loose where am I now .. I do have universe installed
[07:15] <xuzo> and press the keybinding for toggle maximize state
[07:15] <Amaranth> in 2.6 (or 2.5, i can't remember) it said it was responsible for random system crashes
[07:15] <xuzo> the panel "unmaximizes"
[07:15] <Kamion> jamaas: bring up a terminal, type 'sudo apt-get install libldap2-dev', tell me what happens
[07:15] <xuzo> and positions of all elements on it are lost
[07:16] <Kamion> jamaas: you don't need universe, best to revert that change I think
[07:16] <jamaas> Kamion: deal!
[07:16] <pao> I must get rid of brown :-)
[07:16] <Amaranth> xuzo: It doesn't here.
[07:16] <Kamion> jamaas: (shouldn't need it for this, anyway)
[07:16] <Amaranth> pao: Computer>Desktop Preferences>Theme
[07:16] <xuzo> Amaranth: sorry i'm not a native english speaker, i dont undestand you :(
[07:17] <Amaranth> pao: I'd suggest Industrial.
[07:17] <Amaranth> xuzo: The panel doesn't "unmaximize" for me.
[07:17] <xuzo> mmm
[07:17] <pao> Amaranth: I've tried... but there's no way to choose colors....
[07:18] <Amaranth> Try Menus and Toolbars
[07:18] <pao> Amaranth, no way... :-(
[07:18] <jamaas> Kamion:  Uhmmm... it installed it ... just like you thought it would..... but LinuxJones was getting there... honest!   It will try to find why this appends
[07:21] <kent> is the eciadsl package in the main? that is, on the cdrom?
[07:21] <pao> Has anyone succeded in throwing away that brown color from the theme?
[07:22] <Kamion> jamaas: curious why it wasn't findable in synaptic, but that should get you going, anyway
[07:22] <Amaranth> pao: I have.
[07:23] <Amaranth> pao: I changed the Theme and the desktop background.
[07:23] <merlin0> pao: you can love it if you install november calendar
[07:23] <pao> Amaranth, but you didn't specify the exact color, right?
[07:23] <Amaranth> nope
[07:23] <schifo> guys, i just compiled my kernel, and did make; make modules_install; do i have to do anything else now?
[07:23] <Amaranth> it "Just Works"
[07:23] <pao> merlin0, :-)
[07:23] <merlin0> i love that brown girl!!
[07:24] <Kamion> jamaas: (yeah, not beating on LinuxJones or anything)
[07:24] <pao> merlin0, I'm waiting also for the white girl... :-)
[07:24] <LinuxJones> Kamion, hey :)
[07:24] <Perc> so far ubuntu is pretty impressive
[07:24] <Perc> it found both the touchpad and an external usb mouse when I plugged it in, sound works directly
[07:24] <pao> Perc, ubuntu: debian on steroids :-)
[07:24] <Perc> yep
[07:24] <GnuHippy> still no x.org?
[07:24] <Perc> and it's nice considering debian has software from the second world war
[07:25] <schifo> every distribution finds touchpads and usb mice
[07:25] <Amaranth> GnuHippy: Not until April 2005.
[07:25] <bagpuss> it's *fairly* impressive...there are a few niggles, but I imagine they'll all be fixed for the next one :)
[07:25] <LinuxJones> GnuHippy, your from Nova Scotia too :D
[07:25] <fabbione> x.org will be in hoary either tomorrow
[07:25] <pao> Perc, that's way so many people run testing or unstable...
[07:25] <fabbione> or in 2 days from now
[07:25] <Amaranth> fabbione: Sure, if you like random system crashes. :P
[07:25] <schifo> fabbione, i just compiled my kernel, and did make; make modules_install; do i have to do anything else now?
[07:25] <GnuHippy> it will be fabbi?
[07:26] <fabbione> Amaranth: it will for testing/unstable
[07:26] <frusciante> I get no sound when playing MOV-files. I have tried with XINE and VLC. MPlayer doesn?t work.
[07:26] <fabbione> GnuHippy: yes.
[07:26] <pao> bagpuss, which niggles?
[07:26] <GnuHippy> I noticed all the dependancies are on the repository now for it
[07:26] <fabbione> schifo: sorry. i have only one minute and i am leaving, but it looks ok
[07:26] <GnuHippy> I'm trying to roll my own
[07:26] <fabbione> schifo: check your grub config and you are done
[07:27] <fabbione> GnuHippy: the dependencies were always there
[07:27] <pao> I say bye to everyone... a BROWN bye :-)
[07:27] <bagpuss> pao: gnome-volume manager not working properly.  mozilla being unstable and randomly crashing (although it does that *anyway*, so not ubuntu's fault).  That **HORRIBLE** default brown background...the list goes on
[07:27] <GnuHippy> not all of them
[07:27] <fabbione> yes all of them
[07:27] <pao> bagpuss, if you manage to change the brown color from theme let me know... :-)
[07:27] <GnuHippy> libpng-dev wasn't
[07:28] <bagpuss> pao: oh, I change it...first thing I did
[07:28] <fabbione> GnuHippy: that's because you probably miss a few tons of patches that we have
[07:28] <pao> bagpuss, how did you do it?
[07:28] <frusciante> Year, the brown background sucks :)
[07:28] <pao> I'm trying to change the color of window title bar...
[07:28] <Kamion> GnuHippy: it's not libpng-dev, it's libpng<some number>-dev
[07:28] <GnuHippy> 12
[07:28] <GnuHippy> I know
[07:29] <Kamion> GnuHippy: libpng12-dev is definitely in warty
[07:29] <pao> bagpuss, I'm trying to change the color of window title bar... without change the theme
[07:29] <Kamion> has been forever
[07:29] <bagpuss> pao: ah, I hadn't ghotten around to that yet
[07:29] <bagpuss> I'm still trying to persuade gnome-volume-manager to work
[07:30] <bagpuss> didn't someone say that a version of warty with KDE the default was forthcoming?
[07:30] <Kamion> bagpuss: only if a community group gets together and does it
[07:30] <pao> bagpuss, My volume manager works perfectly....
[07:30] <Kamion> bagpuss: it won't be something Canonical does
[07:30] <bagpuss> I'd be far happier to install that for people (mostly because I actually know my way around KDE...gnome I'm mostly groping in the dark)
[07:30] <bagpuss> Kamion: ah, guess it won't happen then.
[07:31] <Kamion> bagpuss: ?
[07:31] <Kamion> bagpuss: no reason it won't; one or two people with clue have expressed interest in doing it
[07:31] <Kamion> bagpuss: can't say it'll happen *soon* :)
[07:31] <bagpuss> Kamion: it's a lot of work...it's not *that* much hardship to just install KDE after the fact and live with gnome for an hour
[07:32] <bagpuss> Kamion: *shrug*...I wouldn't do it as a volunteer thing anyway.  If others choose to then I'll thank them lots :)
[07:32] <Kamion> bagpuss: if you want to actually deploy it places, then you'll want infrastructure set up to support it properly; we'll be providing general infrastructure to help people make Ubuntu derivatives
[07:33] <bagpuss> Kamion: hmm, as in moving it from universe to main?
[07:35] <pao> I did it!
[07:35] <pao> no more brown!
[07:35] <pao> :-)
[07:36] <Kamion> bagpuss: or thereabouts, yeah
[07:37] <bagpuss> how does gnome-volume-manager go about detecting CD insertion?
[07:37] <bagpuss> it's detecting USB events and reacting to them properly
[07:37] <Ruffian|Q|> hello
[07:37] <bagpuss> it's just CD/DVD events that it's ignoring
[07:38] <sjoerd> bagpuss: check if it appears in h-d-m
[07:41] <bagpuss> sjoerd: /etc/hal ?
[07:41] <sjoerd> bagpuss: hal-device-manager
[07:41] <sjoerd> bagpuss: run it and see if it shows up (called device manager in the menus afaik)
[07:42] <bagpuss> yes, it's there
[07:43] <sjoerd> the volume too ?
[07:43] <sjoerd> check if pmount /dev/cdrom or pmount /dev/hdc works
[07:43] <hendershot> how can we get a more up to date version of firefox? is their a maintainer that handles just that package?
[07:44] <bagpuss> yes, that works
[07:44] <hendershot> i running up to date warty
[07:44] <sjoerd> bagpuss: as your normal user ?
[07:45] <bagpuss> sjoerd: yes
[07:46] <bagpuss> it looks like it's just not detecting the insertion
[07:46] <sjoerd> you just said it showed up in h-d-m ?
[07:47] <bagpuss> the drive does
[07:47] <sjoerd> ah
[07:47] <sjoerd> that's why i asked about the volume :)
[07:47] <toxicsludge> anyone have any luck with pxe install? I have gotten into the installer, but when i go to select the mirror, it says it cannot find the Releases file, even though it points to the proper directory.
[07:47] <bagpuss> and if I "pmount /dev/hdc" it does the right thing
[07:47] <bagpuss> the volume onlyt shows up if I manually run pmount
[07:48] <bagpuss> it's not autodone
[07:49] <toxicsludge> do you think i could set up pxe to just use the cdrom on this machine?
[07:50] <sjoerd> bagpuss: was does storage.media_check_enabled on the drive say ?
[07:50] <sjoerd> (advanced tab in hdm)
[07:51] <bagpuss> sjoerd: ah, 0x0.  which sounds off to me
[07:51] <sjoerd> bagpuss: cat /etc/hal/hald.conf| grep storage_media
[07:52] <bagpuss> andy@gos:/etc/hal $ grep storage_media hald.conf
[07:52] <bagpuss>   <storage_media_check_enabled>true</storage_media_check_enabled>
[07:53] <Challange> re
[07:53] <Challange> got a few questions
[07:53] <sjoerd> bur[n] er: what kind of drive is it ?
[07:53] <sjoerd> bur[n] er: sorry wrong dude
[07:53] <sjoerd> bagpuss: what kind of drive is it ?
[07:54] <bagpuss> sjoerd: Optorite DVD/CD writer
[07:54] <sjoerd> bagpuss: ide, firewire, scsi, usb ?
[07:54] <shaver> dd0204?
[07:54] <shaver> er, 0402?
[07:54] <bagpuss> sjoerd: ah, IDE
[07:54] <Challange> booting with ubuntu - I got the message: fatal error inserting shpchp and d same with pcihp (or sth like this)
[07:54] <Challange> i can't see any problems
[07:54] <bagpuss> shaver: no, dd1205
[07:55] <Challange> but i don't know what soes it mean
[07:55] <shaver> k
[07:55] <shaver> I installed fine with my dd0402 or whatever
[07:55] <bagpuss> it's a very nice drive
[07:55] <Treenaks> Challange: just ignore them
[07:55] <Challange> how do you mean?:D
[07:55] <Treenaks> Challange: the messages, just ignore them
[07:55] <Challange> "don't worry about it'?
[07:55] <sjoerd> bagpuss: is it detected as cdrom (storage.cdrom properties ans stuff)
[07:55] <Treenaks> yes :)
[07:55] <Challange> all right
[07:56] <Challange> ok
[07:56] <Challange> aaan
[07:56] <GnuHippy> I have done it!
[07:56] <bagpuss> sjoerd: yep: "block storage.cdrom storage"
[07:57] <Challange> how can I "install" the downloaded themes for gnome and icons? I don't really know
[07:57] <Challange> tar.gz and some png files in it
[07:57] <GnuHippy> how can I setup my kernel source for the new nvidia binary driver to see?  I want to use the binary off nvidia.com not the .deb
[07:58] <Challange> I click on the install button (Themes) and that does not do anything with any file
[07:58] <toxicsludge> need help selecting pxe mirror.  why would the installer be so #$@#@# picky as to the mirror? what does it want??????
[07:58] <Challange> (Well that's not a real problem but i am just wondering:D)
[07:59] <sjoerd> bagpuss: normal ide or pcmcia  ?
[07:59] <toxicsludge> Challenge, I havent been able to get a lot of themes to work with all this new release stuff
[07:59] <bagpuss> sjoerd: normal IDE
[07:59] <Challange> ahh
[07:59] <toxicsludge> are y'all getting sick of me squawking about pxe yet?
[07:59] <Challange> so i have to search if I need it
[08:00] <bagpuss> 0000:00:0f.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06)
[08:00] <bagpuss> (if it helps)
[08:00] <Challange> cheers
[08:00] <toxicsludge> Challange, just got noia warm to work on a different distro...
[08:00] <toxicsludge> but it was new..
[08:00] <toxicsludge> and debian-based, but running kde
[08:00] <sjoerd> bagpuss: which version of hal are you using..
[08:00] <subterrific> GnuHippy: you need linux-headers
[08:00] <toxicsludge> gnome 2.6 is kinda new for new themes
[08:00] <Challange> i dont like kde
[08:00] <GnuHippy> sudo cp -r /name/of/file /usr/share/icons
[08:01] <bagpuss> sjoerd: whatever came with warty...hang on, I'll find out
[08:01] <toxicsludge> well find gnome 2.6 themes.
[08:01] <gruberman> whoa... talk about crashing ruby
[08:01] <subterrific> GnuHippy: linux-headers includes a fully configured kernel tree for compiling modules
[08:01] <Challange> well i will try
[08:01] <toxicsludge> i havent been able to get to many to work wiht firefox
[08:01] <GnuHippy> and for themes:  sudo cp -r /name/of/file /usr/share/themes
[08:01] <bagpuss> ii  hal                               0.2.98-1ubuntu9                   Hardware Abstraction Layer
[08:01] <Challange> firefox is good enough
[08:01] <Challange> not to change theme:D it looks good
[08:01] <Challange> i guess
[08:01] <toxicsludge> pxe syntax???
[08:02] <subterrific> GnuHippy: i just told you
[08:02] <GnuHippy> ty
[08:02] <GnuHippy> didnt see it
[08:02] <bagpuss> sjoerd: basically I don't do automounting, I don't do gnome.  This is for a client. If it were me I'd shrug and say "I'm perfectly capable of double clicking the little CD icon if I want to mount it thanks"
[08:03] <bagpuss> I'm probably missing something funsamental just because I don't do this stuff
[08:03] <Challange> aaaand i need a stuff to write dvd/cd/audio cd things like this cause i haven't found anything
[08:03] <sjoerd> bagpuss: nope, your not
[08:04] <bagpuss> sjoerd: this machine dual-boots to windows, and windows autoruns CDs fine.  So I know the drive itself is *sending* an insert event of some sort
[08:04] <sjoerd> bagpuss: actually one needs to poll the drives
[08:04] <sjoerd> bagpuss: i'm trying to find out why hal turned of the storage.media_check_enabled thingie
[08:04] <bagpuss> sjoerd: oh?  I thought the drive notified the OS.  Shows how little I know of automounting :)
[08:05] <toxicsludge> need help with my PXE install... can get all the way to select mirrors, then it says it cannot find the release file when it can.  I imagine this might have something to do with my pxelinux.cfg/default file, which you could find something that it looks like at http://weltwissen.koeln.ccc.de/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_PXE_Install  -- what do the - and +'s mean-- should i get rid of them?
[08:05] <bagpuss> sjoerd: does it (or can it be made to) log to anywhere?
[08:05] <Challange> as I see i will have problems with installing shitdows to this computer:D
[08:05] <Witigonen> Hey all.  I need help loading the proper kernel module before generic-ide so that my CD-RW/DVD combo drive can have DMA enabled.
[08:05] <sjoerd> bagpuss: if you could do hald --daemon=no --verbose=yes and put that log somewhere...
[08:05] <ficusplanet> Can any Ubuntu devs tell me what icon the About Ubuntu... menu item uses?  I need to know so for a theme I'm working on.
[08:05] <bagpuss> sjoerd: okay
[08:05] <Witigonen> The only problem is I have no idea how exactly to do this :)  Or what module needs to be loaded in the first place.
[08:06] <toxicsludge> Who should have permissions on the tftpboot folder?
[08:07] <Challange> ficusplanet: as i see it shows four yellow stars
[08:07] <ficusplanet> Challange, I need to know the file's path not what it looks like.
[08:07] <toxicsludge> Challange use K3b!
[08:08] <Challange> do I need to find it and download?
[08:08] <toxicsludge> challange, apt-get install k3b should do it
[08:08] <Challange> or it has got an installing module?
[08:08] <Challange> wo thanks
[08:08] <toxicsludge> but the tricky thing is you have to either run k3bsetup later, or just launch k3b from a root terminal
[08:09] <encryptio> b
[08:09] <bagpuss> sjoerd: http://www.clothcat.org/scratch/typescript.txt
[08:09] <toxicsludge> So who knows a super-expert I could ask about my PXE issues
[08:09] <Witigonen> Can anybody help me with setting up the proper module for my motherboard?
[08:09] <toxicsludge> witigonen, you got an nforce3?
[08:10] <Witigonen> toxicsludge, nforce2.
[08:11] <sjoerd> bagpuss: ah what i suspected -> 19:07:04.872 [I]  linux/block_class_device.c:1358: Working around broken ide-cs driver ...
[08:11] <bagpuss> sjoerd: is this fixable?
[08:11] <Dennis_k> i need some help with my nvidia drivers
[08:11] <Witigonen> toxicsludge, is the module nvidia_agp?  I know that's what I have to load before my fglrx drivers in other distros, but I don't know if it's the same thing.
[08:12] <Challange> toxicsludge, the problem is that there is no k3b pack - the terminal told me:D
[08:12] <sjoerd> bagpuss: what kernel are you running ? stock warthy ?
[08:12] <bagpuss> sjoerd: yep
[08:13] <bagpuss> Linux gos <IP_ADDRESS>-3-386 #1 Tue Oct 12 12:41:57 BST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux
[08:13] <encryptio> challange: you'll have to find the deb and install it manually, by looking through the repositories.
[08:13] <toxicsludge> challange, enable the universe and maybe the multiverse in /etc/apt/sources.list  there is a howto on the forum for that.  there is even a k3b howto somewhere on the main website
[08:13] <MoonSweep> hello
[08:13] <Dennis_k> hi
[08:13] <Challange> enable universe:DDD
[08:13] <toxicsludge> challange, I used apt-get.  you can also use the synaptic package manager.. that may be easier
[08:13] <MoonSweep> wny 2.6.9 kernel for ubuntu ? <IP_ADDRESS> can't burn CDs
[08:14] <Challange> i try
[08:14] <Challange> thanks
[08:14] <Treenaks> MoonSweep: it can burn CDs
[08:14] <toxicsludge> I can burn cds with <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:14] <MoonSweep> oh
[08:14] <MoonSweep> what's the trick then ?
[08:14] <Treenaks> MoonSweep: just use dev=/dev/sr0 (or dev=/dev/hdc or whatever)
[08:14] <bagpuss> MoonSweep: it can't?  First I heard
[08:14] <MoonSweep> I swear
[08:14] <subterrific> MoonSweep: the ubuntu kernel has patches to fix that bug in 2.6.8
[08:14] <subterrific> MoonSweep: 2.6.9 wasn't ready when ubuntu shipped
[08:15] <MoonSweep> but all burning programs detect my cd-writer as a mere cd reader
[08:15] <bagpuss> there comes a point where you have to stop putting new stuff in and make the stuff you have work for release
[08:16] <Kamion> kernel upgrades take ages to get right, anyway
[08:17] <MoonSweep> you don't believe me ?
[08:17] <Dennis_k> can some one help me please with my nvidia drivers.. :(
[08:17] <MoonSweep> look at this : http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=130576
[08:17] <MoonSweep> and http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2004/08/msg00608.html
[08:18] <MoonSweep> I have the same problem
[08:18] <GammaRay> MoonSweep: do you have scsi emulation or ide-cd in your kernel options?
[08:18] <MoonSweep> i didn't check but i thought 2.6 don't need scsi emulation any more to write CDs
[08:18] <GammaRay> it needs one or the other
[08:19] <subterrific> MoonSweep: neither of those are in ubuntu bugzilla, so they have no relevance. ubuntu does not use the debian or redhat kernels
[08:19] <Kamion> subterrific: Ubuntu uses a derivative of the Debian kernel
[08:19] <sjoerd> bagpuss: you can fix it by putting an fdi in /usr/share/hal/fdi which sets storage.media_check_enabled
[08:20] <MoonSweep> ok but I have the same problem that's decribed on those bugreports, and it's from a "feature" in 2.6.8(.1)
[08:20] <Kamion> subterrific: while they aren't identical, saying "they have no relevance" is harsh and wrong.
[08:20] <subterrific> Kamion: exactly, it isn't stock, so you can't point to bugs and say for sure they exist in the ubuntu kernel
[08:21] <MoonSweep> i didn't say "this bug is in ubuntu kernel" ; i said "i have the same KNOWN problem with 2.6.8(.1)
[08:21] <bagpuss> sjoerd: is tyhat documented somewhere?
[08:21] <subterrific> Kamion: well check for yourself, there are no bugs in ubuntu referencing cdrecord
[08:21] <subterrific> bugzilla
[08:21] <sjoerd> bagpuss: somewhat.. there are some existing ones in there (if ubuntu ships them), which should be easy to adapt
[08:22] <MoonSweep> subterrific: what application do you use to burn CDs ?
[08:22] <bagpuss> sjoerd: okay, I'll see what I can work out
[08:22] <sjoerd> bagpuss: oh what's the linux.sysfs_path property on the drive ?
[08:22] <subterrific> MoonSweep: i don't
[08:23] <MoonSweep> does anyone in here write CDs with Ubuntu Warty ???
[08:23] <Treenaks> MoonSweep: yes
[08:24] <Kamion> subterrific: lack of bugs in Ubuntu Bugzilla does not imply lack of bugs in Ubuntu. :-)
[08:24] <MoonSweep> Treenaks: as root or as user ? and with which app ?
[08:24] <Treenaks> MoonSweep: just use the nautilus CD burner for images/cds with only files
[08:24] <MoonSweep> no, i need to make advanced CDs, I need K3B
[08:24] <bagpuss> sjoerd: /sys/block/hdc
[08:25] <GammaRay> Treenaks: what option do you pass the kernel? ide-scsi or ide-cd?
[08:25] <Treenaks> GammaRay: ide-cd. ide-scsi is deprecated and should not be used
[08:25] <GammaRay> there you go
[08:25] <GammaRay> MoonSweep: please check on that
[08:25] <sjoerd> bagpuss: argh.. just noticed the hal code is somewhat broken, it outputs that it does a work around, but doesn't necessarely do it..
[08:25] <GammaRay> I don't currently have a burner
[08:26] <MoonSweep> GammaRay: that's what I use too (in fact, I don't pass any arg to the kernel, ide-cd is used by default)
[08:26] <sjoerd> bagpuss: in you case it doesn't...
[08:26] <Challange> how can I change the rights to sources.list (write)
[08:26] <bagpuss> sjoerd: screw it...the guy can live without automounting.  I think *anyone* should be able to cope with a douyble click
[08:26] <Challange> cause i am not the owner (it sais)
[08:26] <GammaRay> MoonSweep: how do you know?
[08:26] <sjoerd> bagpuss: i would like to know what the problem is, because i'm bound to get a bugreport for it someday :)
[08:27] <lemsx1> Challange, chown $USER /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[08:27] <Challange> ?
[08:27] <lemsx1> Challange, or chmod 0666 /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[08:27] <MoonSweep> GammaRay: which driver does handle IDE cds if you don't specify ide-scsi for any frive ? :)
[08:27] <lemsx1> Challange, it depends on what you want to achieve
[08:27] <Challange> oh
[08:27] <bagpuss> sjoerd: who do I report it as a bug to?  You can have one tonight :)
[08:27] <Challange> thnx
[08:27] <GammaRay> MoonSweep: it just acts like a regular cd drive
[08:28] <GammaRay> MoonSweep: ode-cd activates atapi burning support
[08:28] <bagpuss> brb
[08:28] <GammaRay> err ide-cd
[08:28] <MoonSweep> well, maybe, but on my box, it doesn't recognize the cd-writer as a writer, obly as a reader
[08:29] <Challange> '?' there is no such dir/file
[08:29] <Kamion> Challange: 'sudo editor /etc/apt/sources.list' to create it
[08:29] <MoonSweep> anyway if you don't believe me :
[08:29] <MoonSweep> raph@arche:~ $ lsmod | grep ide_cd
[08:29] <Kamion> Challange: don't change the permissions; just use sudo to edit it
[08:29] <MoonSweep> ide_cd                 41732  0
[08:30] <Challange> oh
[08:30] <MoonSweep> ok
[08:30] <MoonSweep> question
[08:31] <MoonSweep> doesn anyone uses K3B on Ubuntu as a user (NOT as root) ?
[08:31] <sjoerd> bagpuss: what does /proc/ide/hdc/media say ?
[08:31] <tseng> MoonSweep: obviously not, because it wont work
[08:31] <tseng> MoonSweep: since kernel 2.6.8
[08:31] <Challange> Kamion: amm, i want to write in it
[08:31] <Challange> magyar sz
[08:32] <MoonSweep> tseng: THANK YOU ::: At least someone aware of this problem!!!! :)
[08:32] <Patric1> goodday all
[08:32] <Challange> Kamion is a hungarian word
[08:32] <Challange> :D
[08:32] <tseng> MoonSweep: most people are aware of it, you can find tons of info via google and proably even the wiki
[08:32] <Kamion> Challange: yes, aware of that
[08:32] <toxicsludge> MoonSweep, I see no problem running it as root
[08:32] <Challange> but how can i write in it?
[08:33] <MoonSweep> tseng: I know, but anyone here seem not to bleieve me, because Ubuntu has no bugreport regarding this issue
[08:33] <Kamion> 'sudo editor /etc/apt/sources.list', as I told you
[08:33] <Challange> i am typing but it does not do anything
[08:33] <Challange> yeah
[08:33] <Kamion> pick an editor you know how to use, then
[08:33] <Challange> :D
[08:33] <Patric1> somebody know anything how to get yanc running with an Nvidia, or is it ATI only?
[08:33] <Challange> ok
[08:33] <Kamion> Challange: however, how did you end up with that file empty? the Ubuntu installer creates it.
[08:33] <Challange> ?
[08:34] <Challange> that is not empty
[08:34] <Kamion> 19:29 < Challange> '?' there is no such dir/file
[08:34] <Patric1> somebody know anything how to get yanc running with an Nvidia, or is it ATI only?
[08:34] <Challange> it said
[08:34] <Kamion> a completed Ubuntu installation will have /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:34] <Azeal> MoonSweep, its better to run it as root so cdrecord can run at higher priority. It will be more stable then.
[08:35] <GammaRay> Azeal: why not just setuid?
[08:35] <subterrific> MoonSweep: oh, i didn't see you mention you were trying as a user
[08:35] <tuxx> Evening.
[08:35] <tuxx> Is SPDIF with a CM8738 completely impossible with Ubuntu Warty ?
[08:36] <subterrific> MoonSweep: i thought you were trying as root, since you seemed to know about the cd burning bug in 2.6.8
[08:36] <Azeal> GammaRay, if you do chmod +s wont that be the same thing as running it as root?
[08:36] <MoonSweep> subterrific: we should never work as root ;-)
[08:37] <subterrific> MoonSweep: right, thats why sudo and gksudo exist
[08:37] <bagpuss> sjoerd: andy@gos:~ $ cat /proc/ide/hdc/media
[08:37] <bagpuss> cdrom
[08:37] <GammaRay> Azeal: should be, but then a user can run it "as root"
[08:37] <Challange> Kamion: I've typed it as you have told me
[08:37] <Challange> and i had to push INSERT button to write in it
[08:37] <sjoerd> bagpuss: then i'm out of ideas
[08:37] <Challange> i dont dont do it won't work(i did'nt know that sorry)
[08:38] <bagpuss> sjoerd: aye, me too...screw it, he just can't have it autoplay
[08:38] <Challange> and now it is in the 'terminal' and i don't  know how to save it yeah
[08:38] <Azeal> GammaRay, ofcourse, when I said "running it as root" I did not mean that you should log into gnome as root, just start that one program as root, whichever way you find easier =)
[08:38] <Matt|> Challange, perhaps I can help
[08:39] <Matt|> Challange, explain simply what you are trying to do?
[08:39] <X0563511> perhaps i can't help. More than likely so.
[08:39] <Challange> ive edited sources.list in the root terminal and i want to save it:D
[08:39] <Matt|> Challange, what editor?
[08:40] <Challange> ..
[08:40] <Challange> idonno:D
[08:40] <Matt|> which editor program didyou use?
[08:40] <Challange> it in the terminal
[08:40] <Challange> sudo edit blabla
[08:40] <Matt|> what command did you type?
[08:40] <Matt|> hmm
[08:40] <Matt|> hang on
[08:41] <Challange> right
[08:41] <GammaRay> Azeal: I'm not sure some other people understand that
[08:42] <Matt|> Challange, i don't understand that editor
[08:42] <Matt|> Challange, use another one
[08:42] <Challange> ..
[08:42] <Azeal> GammaRay, yes you are probably right, thanks for pointing that out.
[08:42] <Challange> ok
[08:42] <Challange> i wont
[08:42] <X0563511> nano is easy enough, try that
[08:42] <Matt|> Challange, close the terminal, open another one, type "sudo nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:42] <Challange> cause i want to download k3b
[08:42] <Matt|> oh
[08:42] <Matt|> let's just do it in synaptic
[08:43] <Challange> there is no k3b
[08:43] <Challange> in synaptic
[08:43] <X0563511> try adding the universe repositories
[08:43] <Matt|> Challange, follow this:
[08:43] <Matt|> open synaptic
[08:43] <Matt|> go to settings, repositories
[08:43] <Challange> yeah
[08:43] <Challange> hungarian language:D
[08:43] <Challange> wait
[08:43] <X0563511> turn on universe, and universe source.
[08:44] <Matt|> Challange, then enable the "universe" repositories in the list
[08:44] <X0563511> it will yell at you, its normal
[08:44] <Ruffian|Q|> HOw much different is Universe repositories from normal debian repositories
[08:44] <|trey|> Ruffian|Q|, not very...
[08:44] <X0563511> Ruffian|Q|: its the same, but not supported in ubuntu directly
[08:44] <|trey|> X0563511, no, its not the same... some things are missing...
[08:45] <X0563511> Ruffian|Q|: I meant the packages are not supported. Of course theres things in universe that arnt in the normal lists
[08:45] <X0563511> ... although i don't understand why RIG is in universe...
[08:45] <Challange> :((
[08:46] <X0563511> Challange: you can also try to find the .deb files from debian.org
[08:46] <|trey|> X0563511, You misunderstood, please stop giving false info... I meant there are things missing from Universe that are in Debian's repo's... such as most of the Contrib stuff...
[08:46] <X0563511> and use dpkg to install it
[08:46] <Challange> wait
[08:47] <toxicsludge> why does my PXE install say it cannot find the proper Debian-mirror? I get the ubuntu splash screen, and point it to archive.ubuntu.org...
[08:47] <X0563511> |trey|: really? sorry then
[08:47] <Challange> repository dialog is sth that has a list on the left and tiks on the right ?
[08:47] <|trey|> Challange, kinda, yeah
[08:47] <Challange> there is no universe or translating is wrong
[08:48] <|trey|> Challange, to the Universe listing, add "multiverse" also... :)
[08:48] <X0563511> Are there any unticked options?
[08:48] <Kamion> toxicsludge: archive.ubuntu.com or archive.ubuntulinux.org
[08:48] <Kamion> toxicsludge: not archive.ubuntu.org
[08:48] <Kamion> toxicsludge: the mention of Debian is a bug, fixed in Hoary
[08:48] <Challange> if i clock on dif lines on the left the ticks change
[08:48] <Challange> click:D
[08:48] <Ruffian|Q|> Will ubuntu stay debian compatible for ever??
[08:48] <|trey|> Challange, 'echo http://archive.ubuntu.org/ warty universe multiverse >> /etc/apt/sources.list'
[08:48] <Kamion> |trey|: not ubuntu.org
[08:49] <paulproteus> |trey|: Want to add a 'sudo' to that?
[08:49] <X0563511> What is the multiverse?
[08:49] <|trey|> Ruffian|Q|, Debian compatibility is not a priority I guess...
[08:49] <|trey|> X0563511, non-free unsupported...
[08:49] <Kamion> Ruffian|Q|: we'll do our best
[08:49] <|trey|> Kamion, my mistake  :(
[08:49] <Ruffian|Q|> I HOPE SO!
[08:50] <Challange> ??????,
[08:50] <X0563511> Ruffian|Q|: I think it is probably going to be, but i am no kind of authority at all
[08:50] <Challange> everybody says totally dif
[08:50] <Ruffian|Q|> The only way for Ubuntu to stay popular is 99% Debian compatibility
[08:50] <Kamion> |trey|: oh, and you forgot a 'deb' at the start
[08:50] <Challange> thats too much for a k3b
[08:50] <|trey|> Kamion, from what I have heard, its not very compatibly currently, its one of the main complaints some are having  :(
[08:50] <X0563511> Challenge, whats the actual package name?
[08:50] <Challange> echo thats great it shows
[08:50] <Challange> :D
[08:50] <Kamion> |trey|: I won't respond to vague comments like that, sorry. People can file bugs about specific problems.
[08:51] <Challange> i have to go i guess
[08:51] <Challange> package
[08:51] <ben_> hi
[08:51] <Challange> 0.53.4
[08:51] <Challange> synaptic
[08:51] <X0563511> wait challange
[08:51] <|trey|> Kamion, seeing this from OSNews comments mainly... I only tried using Sid once with Ubuntu, and it broke some things  :(
[08:51] <ben_> anyone know how to get doom legacy running?
[08:51] <X0563511> what are you searching for specifically?
[08:51] <Challange> ?
[08:51] <ben_> i got it off synaptic, but it gives errors when i try to run it
[08:52] <Kamion> |trey|: we document up-front that you shouldn't try to use the two repositories simultaneously
[08:52] <Challange> i do really nedd a stuff to burn audio/data to cd/dvd
[08:52] <Challange> and k3b seems to be the "best"
[08:52] <toxicsludge> Kamion: what directory should I use?
[08:52] <X0563511> ok, hold on
[08:52] <Challange> and i will need to download it
[08:52] <Challange> :D
[08:52] <Kamion> |trey|: your comment is vague because nobody bothers to define what "Debian-compatible" is before asking about it. :-)
[08:52] <Kamion> toxicsludge: directory?
[08:52] <|trey|> Kamion, I'm aware of that, however you just said compatibility is something you will attempt to keep...
[08:52] <X0563511> http://www.k3b.org/
[08:53] <Challange> without writing dif files in dif editors with dif texts:D
[08:53] <toxicsludge> Kamion: /ubuntu/ or /ubuntu/dists/warty/
[08:53] <Kamion> toxicsludge: /ubuntu
[08:53] <X0563511> has debian packages for download challange
[08:53] <|trey|> Kamion, to me, compatibility = I can use debian packages and not break things  :)
[08:53] <Challange> X0563511, there.. yeah
[08:53] <Challange> for KDE
[08:53] <Challange> or write into sources.list
[08:53] <Challange> ubuntu-GNOME
[08:53] <Kamion> |trey|: no, what most people mean by compatibility is that we behave close to the same way Debian does
[08:53] <toxicsludge> Kamion: here goes.  You think this might be easier if i tried hoary?
[08:53] <X0563511> you can also build it from source
[08:53] <Ruffian|Q|> KDE works well with Ubuntu
[08:53] <Challange> i did not know that
[08:54] <Kamion> toxicsludge: extremely unlikely, given that I only confirmed the Hoary installer to work at all at the end of last week :)
[08:54] <MoonSweep> bye guys
[08:54] <Challange> then I will try
[08:54] <|trey|> Kamion, note I stated "to me"... "no" shouldn't have been part of your reply  :)
[08:54] <|trey|> Kamion, that does make sense though  :)
[08:54] <Kamion> |trey|: you were also asking about the meaning of my statement, and the "no" applied to that
[08:54] <ben_> lol, MS had to pay $530 million to novell :p
[08:54] <X0563511> Challange: you can also try a different program, if you must. Dont feel limited to K3B
[08:55] <Matt|> Challange, here is a link that will help you understand how to use synaptic to install ANY packages. There are images describing how things work and this should help. Take especially notice of the section on "repositories". http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[08:55] <|trey|> ben_, for a company that is worth more then 30 billion, thats like a slap on the wrist  :/
[08:55] <ben_> |trey|, yeah, but it's good for novell ;)
[08:55] <Challange> Matt|: lot of thnx
[08:55] <X0563511> that page is getting bookmarked. Ive already got like 10 packages installed by hand... ive had ubuntu for 3 days
[08:56] <Matt|> X0563511, :(
[08:56] <Matt|> X0563511, never install packages by hand
[08:56] <toxicsludge> Kamion, I repeatedly get a Bad Archive Mirror message with a big red screen
[08:56] <Matt|> unless you absolutely have to
[08:56] <X0563511> Matt|: i meant using dpkg
[08:56] <Kamion> toxicsludge: what hostname?
[08:56] <|trey|> ben_, I guess... although without Chris Stone, I don't see them doing very well now... he was the pioneering mind and Novell, without him, they just have a big ol mess...
[08:56] <Matt|> X0563511, ok, apt or synaptic is the way to go
[08:56] <X0563511> Matt|: but some things i installed are available in source only, so
[08:56] <bigt> question: i installed warty ubuntu everything appeared to be working fine i rebooted and now i get ntldr not found as if linux is not even there any idea how to fix this
[08:56] <jonex> Internet is slow for me in ubuntu :(
[08:56] <toxicsludge> Kamion: archive.ubuntu.com archive.ubuntulinux.org ftp.cs.umn.edu
[08:57] <Challange> i will have to learn :D
[08:57] <Challange> a lot
[08:57] <Kamion> toxicsludge: what, all at once?
[08:57] <Matt|> Challange, once you've read that page you should be able to do a lot
[08:57] <X0563511> bigt: sortof
[08:57] <toxicsludge> Kamion, no, with any of them.  been trying different solutions for hours now
[08:57] <ben_> jonex: same with me, and i can't figure out why :\
[08:57] <bigt> well did it corrupt itself or something?
[08:57] <X0563511> bigt: stick in the install cd again, get as far as you can (without copying files or anything) and skip to the bootloader section
[08:57] <Challange> it cant open the deb file
[08:57] <Kamion> toxicsludge: exactly what's the error message? I'll look it up
[08:58] <Challange> ERROR and a lot of things:D
[08:58] <X0563511> bigt: sounds like you didnt install a bootloader
[08:58] <Matt|> Challange, do it in synaptic!!!
[08:58] <Challange> that is my other problem but i do really have to go
[08:58] <lemsx1> man this channel really represents chaos theory of human behavior
[08:58] <Challange> i will Matt|
[08:58] <Matt|> *laughs*
[08:58] <Matt|> lemsx1, yep
[08:58] <X0563511> lemsx1lol
[08:58] <lemsx1> Matt|, ;-)
[08:58] <|trey|> lemsx1, so long as everyone gets there answer, it works  :)
[08:58] <Challange> X0563511, thanks a lot
[08:58] <Challange> byez
[08:59] <bigt> dang thought i did maybe not first time using this :(
[08:59] <X0563511> good luck
[08:59] <toxicsludge> Kamion:  Bad Archive Mirror The specified Debian Mirror is either not available, or does not have a valid release file on it
[08:59] <lemsx1> |trey|, nothing wrong with it if you know how to read it (or get used to ignoring everything else)
[08:59] <jonex> ben_, Actually that deal by ms and novell is bad, since ms yet again won't have to be beaten i court :/
[08:59] <|trey|> lemsx1, Cathedral and the Bazaar can both work  8)
[08:59] <X0563511> bigt: well, try installing gentoo as your first dip into linux...
[08:59] <Matt|> *laughs*
[08:59] <toxicsludge> Kamion: permissions on /tftpboot/ are nobody:nogroup
[08:59] <X0563511> bigt: BIG mistake on my part
[08:59] <jonex> ben_, Read the slashdot thread about it...
[08:59] <|trey|> lemsx1, 3 plus years of #debian... pretty good at looking for things I can help with  :)
[08:59] <Kamion> toxicsludge: try 'wget -q http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/Release' from tty2
[09:00] <X0563511> i should be writing a paper now... oh well
[09:00] <Kamion> toxicsludge: sorry, add '-O -' to that
[09:00] <Kamion> toxicsludge: hope you're using HTTP by the way
[09:00] <bigt> well i have ubuntu installed everyone has their own flavor :) if i keep on installing different ones ill never learn this :)
[09:00] <Kamion> toxicsludge: (not that you should be asked, by default)
[09:01] <Matt|> bigt, best thing is to stick with one
[09:01] <|trey|> Kamion, just out of curiosity, what were you doing with Debian?
[09:01] <X0563511> bigt: good idea. Ive settled on ubuntu for now, myself
[09:01] <Kamion> |trey|: no past tense, I still am
[09:01] <Matt|> bigt, otherwise you never learn anything ;)
[09:01] <ben_> does ubuntu slow down the internet for anyone else?
[09:01] <Matt|> ben_, fine here
[09:01] <bigt> thats how i see it too
[09:01] <X0563511> no
[09:01] <lemsx1> |trey|, 3 years of this chaos? lol
[09:01] <bigt> but i gotta get this bootloader installed
[09:01] <X0563511> ben_: the internet is a lot faster than it was for me on windows
[09:01] <Pizbit> ben_: no
[09:02] <Pizbit> X0563511: All that spyware not able to use the net:)
[09:02] <lemsx1> |trey|, #oe is very hecktic also...
[09:02] <|trey|> lemsx1, /j #debian ... sit there for like 5 mins... its got more than 2 times as many people as here...
[09:02] <X0563511> heh i like the "Slow down the internet" part...
[09:02] <Kamion> |trey|: release manager, bug tracking system administrator, installer team, plus a bunch of packages like man-db, groff, openssh
[09:02] <X0563511> Pizbit: oh i never get spyware and its ilk. Too paranoid
[09:02] <|trey|> Kamion, ahh, so you are the reason Sarge isn't released yet  ;)
[09:02] <lemsx1> |trey|, no thx. i get enough with the other low-traffic channels i'm always in
[09:02] <Kamion> |trey|: :-P
[09:03] <X0563511> YOU WILL FETCH ME... A SHRUBBERRY!
[09:03] <ben_> could it be my wireless driver that makes the internet slow?
[09:03] <bigt> xo5: will it stop so i can run aptitude? is that what i'm looking for
[09:03] <X0563511> ben_: yes
[09:04] <|trey|> Ugh... I get to spend 5 weeks learning Exchange and IIS... this will suck  :(
[09:04] <toxicsludge> Kamion: unable to connect to remote host <IP_ADDRESS> no route to host
[09:04] <ben_> \X0
[09:04] <X0563511> ben_: for example, i use NDISWRAPPER, and i get 25% my possible speed
[09:04] <ben_> oops
[09:04] <ben_> sry
[09:04] <Kamion> toxicsludge: bingo, check your networking
[09:04] <[[mirak] ] > Gwildor: hey
[09:04] <[[mirak] ] > Gwildor: nice nick
[09:04] <X0563511> bigt: what is aptitude?
[09:04] <ben_> ohh, how/where can i find/get the correct driver for my card?
[09:04] <toxicsludge> Kamion: it says it gets a dhcp address first..
[09:04] <bigt> install grub bootloader?
[09:04] <bigt> or install lilo?
[09:04] <X0563511> ben_: i cant help much there, sorry
[09:04] <|trey|> X0563511, its kinda like synaptic, only console based...
[09:05] <Kamion> toxicsludge: sure, but DHCP's only as good as the server
[09:05] <|trey|> X0563511, ncurses...
[09:05] <Matt|> ben_, what card out of interest?
[09:05] <X0563511> how is that going to help when you have a craped up bootsector?
[09:05] <|trey|> X0563511, I never liked it, but people like bob2 will recommend...
[09:05] <jonex> bigt, Grub has worked better for me.
[09:05] <bigt> already let me try that
[09:05] <toxicsludge> Kamion: the green light is on the network port...
[09:05] <|trey|> X0563511, not entirely sure...
[09:06] <X0563511> |trey|: is it like dselect? i loved dselect
[09:06] <|trey|> X0563511, I hate dselect and tasksel with a passion
[09:06] <X0563511> |trey|: couple issues, but for the most part i liked it
[09:06] <Kamion> toxicsludge: not that level of networking!"
[09:06] <toxicsludge> Kamion: the problem might be in my DHCP server?  should I have it go on a different subnet than my router spits out?
[09:06] <|trey|> X0563511, its tasts are simular to dselect though, sure... it replaces dselect...
[09:06] <Kamion> toxicsludge: you clearly have connectivity to something, because you can look up the hostname
[09:06] <|trey|> tasks*
[09:06] <lemsx1> |trey|, Exchange and IIS uh? lol... i deal with them every freaking day
[09:07] <|trey|> lemsx1, wanna take my class for me then?
[09:07] <Kamion> toxicsludge: it's very hard to debug what might be wrong with your network from here, though
[09:07] <ben_> Matt|, it's a linksys 802.11b something pcmcia card
[09:07] <Kamion> toxicsludge: and unfortunately I have to go now
[09:07] <X0563511> IIS is a big pain in the monkey.
[09:07] <|trey|> lemsx1, ugh, not looking forward to either  :(
[09:07] <|trey|> Kamion, have a good day man  :)
[09:07] <toxicsludge> Kamion: How about a hard disk install... I have Debian installed on the laptop, dual boot with win... wanna keep the win though
[09:07] <Matt|> ben_, what driver you using?
[09:07] <ben_> Matt|, i dunno, how can i check?
[09:07] <bigt> dang that didn't work so basically just reinstall this damn thing from scratch
[09:07] <lemsx1> |trey|, no thanks. i get enough "class" from google and microsoft.com
[09:07] <X0563511> bigt: <shrugs> dont really know whats going on
[09:07] <Matt|> ben_, not sure :(
[09:07] <toxicsludge> Kamion, or, how about setting up a local mirror.  I have plenty of hard drive space
[09:08] <Optimus> hi
[09:08] <Optimus> got a problem
[09:08] <X0563511> Shoot
[09:08] <bigt> well it rebooted then it said readonline file system
[09:08] <Optimus> i can't add servers wotrh x-chat
[09:08] <X0563511> i _might_ be able to help
[09:08] <Optimus> with*
[09:08] <bigt> and keept on saying it so i turned it off
[09:08] <|trey|> lemsx1, they had us learning 2k and 2k3 server without the help of microsofts knowledgebase... that wasn't much fun  :(
[09:08] <olimar> Hi all just installed Ubuntu it ROCKS
[09:08] <X0563511> Optimus: i had that issue. Just dont click on what makes it crash
[09:08] <olimar> but how can I add new languages?
[09:08] <|trey|> lemsx1, especially trying to make the AD databases sync... fun stuff...
[09:08] <cyrus-tc> mh, what to do to start a program on gnome startup?
[09:08] <bigt> now it says ntldr is missing well of course it is i have linux on it but anyway its a test system i guess format the dang thing again
[09:08] <Optimus> but i want to add a new server
[09:08] <ben_> anyone know how to check and see what wireless card driver is being used?
[09:08] <toxicsludge> Kamion: The problem I see with hard disk install, is that I cannot format the partition I put the cd image on.  I would think I could mount the cd over here, and boot from it...
[09:09] <lemsx1> |trey|, sync'ing AD uh? never tried that... i do that on openldap all the time though
[09:09] <topyli> olimar: ubuntu doesn't rock. it's quite stable =)
[09:09] <X0563511> Optimus: click add, click on the new servers name, change it, add the server address, and your done.
[09:09] <olimar> hehe ;)
[09:09] <olimar> it's simply great
[09:09] <topyli> yep
[09:09] <Optimus> but where do i put the server name?
[09:09] <X0563511> Optimus: i _think_, im on windows right now, i am going from memory
[09:09] <lemsx1> |trey|, but i guess all M$ stuff is simply off-topic here
[09:09] <|trey|> lemsx1, its a pain in the butt... you have to run something on the 2k server to make it even understand 2k3's database...
[09:09] <X0563511> Optimus: change it directly on the list.
[09:09] <olimar> it feels snappy, is stable and gnome rocks always...
[09:09] <|trey|> lemsx1, true, sorry  :
[09:10] <olimar> still can someone tell me how to add new languages?
[09:10] <|trey|> olimar, dpkg-reconfigure locales
[09:10] <X0563511> Optimus: Click its name, it should be editable while the rest of the add server junk is up
[09:10] <lemsx1> |trey|, ;-) we all "love" the M$ topics... not a problem
[09:10] <Optimus> thanks
[09:10] <Optimus> i was going crazy
[09:10] <toxicsludge> Kamion: thanks for trying to help...Could my firewall be messing with me?
[09:10] <zenwhen> ANyone install the newest Nvidia drivers in ubuntu
[09:10] <Optimus> just had to click on the name! :S
[09:10] <zenwhen> ?
[09:10] <|trey|> lemsx1, uhh huh... ;)
[09:10] <nimc> where to i change the forced fsck every 30 mounts on boot to a higher number?
[09:10] <X0563511> Is anyone else freaking out about MS licencing core protocols it has no possible claim on?
[09:11] <lemsx1> nimc, man tunefs
[09:11] <nimc> thanks
[09:11] <lemsx1> nimc, if i were you i would leave it like that
[09:11] <topyli> did the unstable evolution on hoary break for everybody, or is it just me? :)
[09:11] <ben_> anyone use fedora here?
[09:11] <lemsx1> nimc, just don't reboot your system :-)
[09:11] <ben_> who has complaints about fedora?
[09:11] <daniels> ben_: ... in #ubuntu ...
[09:11] <|trey|> ben_, many people in #fedora do........
[09:11] <X0563511> What is evolution anyways?
[09:11] <lemsx1> nimc, or switch to XFS (lovely)
[09:11] <nimc> hmm it's a laptop
[09:12] <|trey|> X0563511, you're kidding right?
[09:12] <X0563511> |trey|: nope
[09:12] <X0563511> im a nub
[09:12] <jonex> X0563511, Email bloat...
[09:12] <ben_> evolution is an email and communcation app thing
[09:12] <lemsx1> X0563511, evolution is the path from one organism life forms to another by the means of ... do you mean in biology?
[09:12] <topyli> X0563511: it's like when species very slowly turn into other, more advanced ones
[09:12] <ben_> rofl
[09:12] <topyli> mine is unstable
[09:12] <|trey|> X0563511, see the little yellow icon on your top panel? click it... thats evolution  :)
[09:12] <MarcN> X0563511: mail/calendar/todo app..  outlook replacement
[09:12] <lemsx1> X0563511, sorry. i just want to contribute to the chaos
[09:12] <X0563511> no, i mean the "groupware"
[09:12] <X0563511> lol
[09:12] <topyli> hehe
[09:12] <X0563511> |trey|: in windwoes now
[09:13] <lemsx1> jonex, evolution 2 is the best thing on this planet
[09:13] <paulproteus> X0563511: MS trying to license TCP/IP isn't a big deal.  It's MS trying to defraud the world.  As I see it, it's of no concern to us, because the law and the standards groups that maintain the Internet (as well as non-idiocy) are on our side.
[09:13] <nimc> lemsx1 there's no tunefs command on man........ ?
[09:13] <X0563511> ooh! a replacement for the useless program i always uninstall! just what i needed.
[09:13] <olimar> rebooting
[09:13] <|trey|> lemsx1, blah, Thunderbird owns it  8)
[09:13] <topyli> lemsx1: so, is no-one trying 2.1 yet?
[09:13] <ben_> indeed, thunderbird rocks
[09:13] <X0563511> Can i take evolution out without taking out "ubuntu desktop" also?
[09:13] <jonex> lemsx1 What it does(that i have use of) that my gmail doesn't?
[09:13] <nimc> on=or
[09:13] <ben_> ubuntu desktop can be taken out
[09:13] <Matt|> X0563511, you can get rid of ubuntu desktop
[09:13] <ben_> it's just a meta package that the install uses
[09:13] <topyli> X0563511: don't worry about ubuntu-desktop or ubuntu-base
[09:14] <nimc> No manual entry for tunefs
[09:14] <lemsx1> nimc, tune2fs ?
[09:14] <Matt|> i like evolution very much
[09:14] <ben_> it won't harm your system if you remove it
[09:14] <|trey|> Matt|, I really really don't  :(
[09:14] <X0563511> Just empty packages for some use or another?
[09:14] <Matt|> |trey|, that's fine by me
[09:14] <lemsx1> |trey|, thunderbird feels like a website
[09:14] <|trey|> lemsx1, thats a bad thing?
[09:14] <X0563511> I would rather stick to my gmail.
[09:14] <nimc> lemsx1 thanks, that exists
[09:14] <ben_> the new thunderbird feels alot like outlook
[09:14] <ben_> .9
[09:14] <Optimus_Prime> hi
[09:14] <lemsx1> topyli, evo2 with gaim and gnome integration rocks... i did a debian package for gaim to allow this
[09:14] <Matt|> |trey|, what is wrong with evolution?
[09:14] <Optimus_Prime> just need help
[09:15] <topyli> what i'm talking about is evo 2.1. is it generally broken
[09:15] <X0563511> Why is outlook so popular anyways? Waste of hard drive space...
[09:15] <Optimus_Prime> i want to eliminate gnome meeting from Ubuntu
[09:15] <Matt|> Optimus_Prime, go for it
[09:15] <ben_> because outlook came with windows
[09:15] <|trey|> Matt|, it just seems like overkill on a desktop install... its junk mail filters suck also imo...
[09:15] <topyli> lemsx1: yes, i have it working too :)
[09:15] <ben_> why is IE so popular? because it came with windows ;)
[09:15] <X0563511> ... does anyone else hate all the K-this , GNOME-this crap?
[09:15] <ben_> see how these things go together?
[09:15] <Matt|> |trey|, i do not mind about junk mail filters
[09:15] <lemsx1> jonex, evo 2 has filters that gmail won't ever allow :-) you can say: pipe this to program X and then put it in whatever dir if it outputs Y or X or Z
[09:15] <|trey|> Although Thunderbirds is getting worse too...
[09:16] <X0563511> Ill just use telnet for my email, lol
[09:16] <lemsx1> jonex, gmail is nice anyway... but tbird sucks big time from the look-n-feel point of view
[09:16] <topyli> ben_: why is windows so popular? because it came with Word :)
[09:16] <Optimus_Prime> vut through Synaptics, when i select to eliminate it, it tells me that it is going to affect "ubuntu-desktop", is that a problem or shall i just go on?
[09:16] <ogra> |trey|: so use mailx ;)
[09:16] <jonex> lemsx1, Well, that was why i added (that I have use of) :P
[09:16] <Matt|> |trey|, or hotmail
[09:16] <ben_> topyli: lol
[09:16] <X0563511> Optimus_Prime: i was just told not to worry about ubuntu-desktop or ubuntu-base
[09:16] <|trey|> topyli, Windows never came with Word afaik
[09:16] <Optimus_Prime> so if it tells me that, i just go on, don't I?
[09:16] <Matt|> Optimus_Prime, they are not real packages, you can delete em
[09:16] <X0563511> But it came with wordpad...
[09:16] <|trey|> ogra, blah... Thunderbird or Gmail  8)
[09:16] <Optimus_Prime> ok
[09:16] <ben_> XO563511: that's correct, ubuntu desktop isn't a real package
[09:17] <topyli> |trey|: well, no-one ever bought windows that i know. they want word
[09:17] <lemsx1> ben_, you are right in that. tbird does feel like outlook xp. very bad
[09:17] <Optimus_Prime> is the TOTEM that comes with ubuntu bugged?
[09:17] <ben_> Windows was so popular because a whole bunch of people got high and decided to start liking it
[09:17] <X0563511> Its so you can install all the default packages, right? It has dependancies on all of them?
[09:17] <lemsx1> topyli, i use evo 2.1 all the time (at work) (from debian's experimental rep)
[09:17] <topyli> is no-one using hoary anymore?
[09:17] <ben_> no one really knows why everyone liked windows, i think it was because of the backwards compatibility
[09:17] <X0563511> I hate totem
[09:17] <X0563511> i like mplayer
[09:17] <|trey|> X0563511, not all of them, but you got the right idea, yes  :)
[09:17] <Optimus_Prime> yeah me too
[09:17] <ben_> topyli: i use hoary
[09:17] <topyli> lemsx1: ah, now we're talking, ben_ too!
[09:18] <X0563511> (imagine a linux newb successfully installing and using mplayer....)
[09:18] <Matt|> ogra, i'm with you buddy
[09:18] <shaver> windows is popular for developers because its APIs, debuggers and toolchain are much better than Linux's
[09:18] <ogra> Matt|: yay
[09:18] <ogra> Optimus_Prime: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:18] <|trey|> X0563511, there is also ubuntu-base which depends on things that aren't desktop specific  :)
[09:18] <shaver> I wish we had toolchains and debuggers of that quality on Linux
[09:18] <shaver> every day, I wish that
[09:18] <Optimus_Prime> Synaptic tells me that if i want to eliminate gnome meeting, i'm aslo going to eliminate ubuntu-desktop... :S
[09:18] <topyli> lemsx1 ben_ so, does it work with imap for you? does it crash?
[09:18] <lemsx1> ogra, nope. evo2 rocks... gaim+gnome+evo2 work seamless for user accounts (addressbook integration)
[09:18] <X0563511> |trey|: i understand now
[09:18] <ben_> topyli: huh, i don't get ur question?
[09:18] <Matt|> ogra, a friend of mine told me his comp-science professor at university called him into his room to show him evolution
[09:18] <X0563511> |trey|: yay! that means totem can die now!
[09:19] <Matt|> ogra, as he really liked it
[09:19] <topyli> ben_: evo 2.1 crashes on startup, and doesn't work with imap very well (for me)
[09:19] <|trey|> X0563511, I keep it around and just use Mplayer  8)
[09:19] <X0563511> Optimus_Prime: You can safely remove ubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-base
[09:19] <Optimus_Prime> what are they then?
[09:19] <ogra> lemsx1: i know, i love its integration......
[09:19] <X0563511> Optimus_Prime: they are empty packages
[09:19] <Matt|> Optimus_Prime, they are meta-packages
[09:19] <|trey|> Optimus_Prime, meta-packages to make installation easier...
[09:19] <Optimus_Prime> ok
[09:19] <Matt|> Optimus_Prime, they help you install other things
[09:19] <Optimus_Prime> then they're out ;)
[09:19] <Optimus_Prime> thanks !
[09:20] <X0563511> Well, i hate how totem claims it can open all kinds of formats it cant, like mp3, wav, ect
[09:20] <ogra> lemsx1: http://www.grawert.net/software/evonotify/
[09:20] <Optimus_Prime> and now i'll go for mplayer ;)
[09:20] <X0563511> Music Player is also equaly useless, mplayer and xmms fill the gaps for me
[09:20] <|trey|> Optimus_Prime, things like 'gnome' and 'x-window-system-core' are meta-packages also... the concept is one of my favorate things about Debian  :)
[09:20] <lemsx1> topyli, i use it to access exchange's imap4 server over ssl. it works great. not a hitch. i also have it tapping into the active directory addresses for the whole domain... works like a charm.. i don't use the exchange-connector...
[09:20] <Matt|> |trey|, debian is not the only distro to have meta packages :)
[09:21] <Optimus_Prime> so in terms of multimedia i'll manage perfectly just with mplayer and xmms, is that true?
[09:21] <|trey|> Matt|, no RPM based distro uses them so widely though...
[09:21] <X0563511> Optimus_Prime: thats my opinion, and i also built both from source
[09:21] <|trey|> Optimus_Prime, yes, that should be enough...
[09:21] <Matt|> |trey|, oh i was thinking of gentoo
[09:21] <topyli> lemsx1: hmm... i couldn't get to my imap server from work. downgraded to 2.0.2, worked again :\
[09:21] <X0563511> Optimus_Prime: Not necessarily the easiest ones, but i like what they can do
[09:21] <ogra> likes
[09:21] <Matt|> yeah i've been converted to rhythmbox and totem
[09:21] <lemsx1> topyli, evo crashing on startup? try running from a terminal to see what it displash... use killev to stop it and mv your evolution folder if you have it, out of the wya... same for .evolution (at least momentarily) to see what happens
[09:21] <|trey|> Optimus_Prime, although, I would recommend beep-media-player over xmms... same thing, just gtk2  :)
[09:22] <X0563511> totem and rhythbox... eww
[09:22] <Optimus_Prime> ok i'll try
[09:22] <X0563511> But if your a winamp junky, xmms is almost the same as winamp 2.x in terms of function and apperance
[09:22] <Optimus_Prime> i'm gonna try them now, so in case i have any doubt i'll be around here
[09:22] <lemsx1> ogra, wow, that's a nice applet
[09:22] <Matt|> |trey|, i think beep-media-player is well buggy
[09:23] <cenerentola> matt...
[09:23] <Matt|> hi cenerentola
[09:23] <topyli> lemsx1: can't do it anymore, already downgraded. :) i might upgrade again and debug further when there's time
[09:23] <|trey|> Matt|, beats the heck outta having to ever look at a gtk1.2 based interface...
[09:23] <nimc> anyone knows how to limit the size of the taskbar items?
[09:23] <lemsx1> Optimus_Prime, beep-media-player is way better than XMMS at everything
[09:23] <X0563511> One thing i dont understand about MPlayer...
[09:23] <X0563511> what do i do with that essentail codec pack?
[09:23] <Matt|> |trey|, not if it doesn't work properly
[09:23] <|trey|> Matt|, personally, I prefer ZINF but its 'heavier' then beep/xmms
[09:24] <topyli> X0563511: if you figure the codecs out, totem and xine will work too
[09:24] <ben_> i did a bandwidth test and it told me my speed was 2.9mb/s, but stuff still seems slow
[09:24] <|trey|> X0563511, the codecs are part of the mplayer packages in multiverse...
[09:24] <ogra> lemsx1: jep, i'm the guy for the odd workarounds (that look mostly nicer thenthey are *g*)
[09:24] <ben_> anyone get doom to work?
[09:24] <X0563511> tahnks
[09:24] <X0563511> G2G, back later
[09:24] <|trey|> ben_, I have... yeah...
[09:25] <ben_> i got it from synaptic, but it isn't in the menus :(
[09:25] <lemsx1> topyli, you are right... i thought i had 2.1 here, but i do have 2.0.2. i believe i use 2.1 at home (which doesn't use imap from exchange, only from wu-imapd)
[09:25] <ben_> |trey|, i tried llxdoom from the command line and it gives errors
[09:25] <|trey|> ben_, you install lxdoom and freedoom?
[09:25] <ben_> uh, i think so
[09:25] <|trey|> make sure  :)
[09:25] <ben_> i may have not installed freedoom
[09:26] <topyli> lemsx1: ok. although i don't use exchange either. it's my own server with dovecot (imap) over ssl
[09:26] <lemsx1> |trey|, bmp and xmms are not the samething anymore :-) bmp does tag editing for all versions of id3. xmms sucks at this
[09:26] <nimc> the aac and qdesign v2 audio codecs for quicktime don't work for me with totem /xine - anyone knows about that?
[09:27] <|trey|> nimc, never played with aac... never had a quicktime codec not work though...
[09:27] <dieman> anyone know if the /media initial setup is handled in d-i or base-config?
[09:27] <lemsx1> Matt|, bmp people are working on a complete re-write of it... but the software (old) is still maintained... the new one will be based on gstreamer and a bunch of other cool things (no legacy xmms code will be used; but it will be backwards compatible with plugins and other things (skins etc...))
[09:27] <dieman> (offhand, i can go dig and find it if i need to)
[09:27] <ben_> |trey|, i have doomlegacy-x11 and doomlegacy-data installed
[09:27] <Matt|> lemsx1, np, i'm ok with xmms and rhythmbox
[09:27] <ben_> i don't see a freedoom
[09:28] <nimc> |trey|, i downloaded the essentials w32 codecs from mplayer.... these don't work... and they're quite common
[09:28] <|trey|> ben_, ok... install it... its the game info... kinda important...
[09:28] <lemsx1> |trey|, Zinf crashes a lot more often than all other media players
[09:28] <|trey|> lemsx1, I dunno... I had it playing for like a week straight once...
[09:28] <ben_> |trey|, where do i get it? like i said, freedoom doesn't seem to be in universe
[09:28] <|trey|> lemsx1, XMMS usually dies after about a day... Rhythmbox is usually pretty good...
[09:29] <|trey|> ben_, try multiverse... I see it...
[09:29] <nimc> |trey|, can i give u a file to try?
[09:29] <|trey|> nimc, no
[09:29] <ben_> how do i turn on multiverse? or what's the url to it
[09:29] <|trey|> ben_, the universe line in synaptics, add ' multiverse' and update...
[09:29] <lemsx1> |trey|, you probably only use ASCII based names for all your music files, right?
[09:30] <lemsx1> |trey|, no utf8 or anything special in comments either
[09:30] <|trey|> lemsx1, not sure... I just get them from friends or play streams...
[09:30] <|trey|> lemsx1, its pretty safe to say they aren't utf-8
[09:31] <lemsx1> |trey|, i used to find a ton of bugs in zinf and i even try to get into the source to fix some... but i kept finding more and reporting them upstream... i got tired and moved to beep-media-player
[09:31] <lemsx1> |trey|, try in Zinf doing normal things like: start a play list, start playing some files, then remove the actual files from the directory while the list plays ... watch what happens :-)
[09:32] <|trey|> lemsx1, I dunno, I mainly stick with Rhythmbox now... just it depended on too much of GNOME, so when I am not using GNOME, I use ZINF...
[09:32] <lemsx1> |trey|, now do the same thing with xmms or bmp (beep-media-player)
[09:32] <lemsx1> |trey|, rhythmbox got a lot better at not crashing... at least in gnome 2.8 and up
[09:32] <|trey|> lemsx1, Fedora's implementation still sucks  :/
[09:33] <topyli> |trey|: use the mpd daemon, it has clients for any environment (web and windows clients too)
[09:33] <|trey|> lemsx1, never have problems with Debian based packages though...
[09:34] <lemsx1> |trey|, i have not used any other distro in years... debian only
[09:34] <ben_> |trey|, where's the sources.list file, mine got messed up and i gotta fix it
[09:34] <|trey|> lemsx1, I used to be a KDE zealot though, GNOME 2.6 (plus the sheer amount of bugs in the Debian packages) took me away from KDE though...
[09:34] <lemsx1> ben_, /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[09:34] <oddabe19> ben_, /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:34] <ben_> thanks
[09:35] <lemsx1> |trey|, :-) kde is fine. if only somebody would re-write the whole thing using gtk... oh wait, that's Gnome
[09:35] <lemsx1> :-)
[09:35] <ogra> lemsx1: come on.... never
[09:35] <mAIJK> when u install something with synaptics, why dont the programs show in the applications menu?? using gnome!
[09:35] <|trey|> lemsx1, blah... I used to use gtk2-engines-gtk-qt... everything plastik  8)
[09:35] <daniels> guys, no kde vs gnome wars in here, please.  been done.  #ubuntu-offtopic if you desperately see the need to debate it.
[09:35] <|trey|> I <3 that theme  8)
[09:36] <lemsx1> mAIJK, pkill gnome-panel
[09:36] <|trey|> daniels, no wars, just friendly discussion  :)
[09:36] <daniels> |trey|: in any case
[09:36] <|trey|> daniels, although prolly better for #ubuntu-offtopic  ;)
[09:36] <daniels> yes
[09:36] <Optimus_Prime> back again! if i have a .deb package, how do i execute it?
[09:36] <lemsx1> daniels, :-) no wars...
[09:37] <ogra> Optimus_Prime: you _install_ it by calling: sudo dpkg -i <package.deb>
[09:37] <Optimus_Prime> ok :D
[09:37] <Optimus_Prime> what is that -i parameter for?
[09:37] <ben_> synaptic pisses me off so much
[09:38] <ogra> install
[09:38] <ben_> it just f***ing never works
[09:38] <ogra> -r remove.....more with: man dpkg
[09:38] <ben_> i tried adding multiverse to the universe ones; didn't work
[09:38] <X0563511> im baaack
[09:38] <topyli> ben_: it works every time, you must have b0rken it :)
[09:39] <ben_> no, the first time i got it, before i did anything, the ubuntu.com repositories were ignoring me or something
[09:39] <ben_> they refused to give me the universe stuff
[09:39] <Matt|> ben_, you tried clicking "reload"
[09:39] <Matt|> ?
[09:39] <ben_> i'm not that stupid :p
[09:39] <Optimus_Prime> and then once i have done dpkg, what's next?
[09:39] <|trey|> ben_, hmm, can /etc/apt/sources.list | grep universe  <-- tell me what that says...
[09:39] <|trey|> cat *
[09:40] <lemsx1> ben_, synaptic works like a charm always
[09:40] <ogra> Optimus_Prime: dunno, what have you installed ?
[09:40] <Matt|> ben_, it wouldn't be stupid: reload is a strange way of saying update
[09:40] <Optimus_Prime> beep media player
[09:40] <topyli> ben_: the servers don't refuse their stuff from you. synaptic Just Works. something else is wrong.
[09:40] <|trey|> ben_, do what I asked please
[09:40] <ben_> i am, hold on
[09:40] <topyli> hehe
[09:41] <granlatigo> hi
[09:41] <ogra> Optimus_Prime: why did you do it by hand ?
[09:41] <im_ka> hey
[09:41] <Matt|> oooh more hoary updates
[09:41] <Optimus_Prime> was there a better way? :(
[09:41] <im_ka> does any1 have experience with samba?
[09:41] <toxicsludge> yeah
[09:41] <X0563511> im_ka: some
[09:41] <im_ka> i wanna copy over files to my gf's laptop
[09:41] <toxicsludge> watchoo need
[09:41] <granlatigo> anyone has tried to connect to win2k?
[09:41] <im_ka> winxp
[09:41] <ogra> Optimus_Prime: if you got net access you use apt-get or synaptic....
[09:42] <ben_> |trey|: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe multiverse
[09:42] <ben_> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe multiverse
[09:42] <ben_> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted universe multiverse
[09:42] <ben_> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted universe multiverse
[09:42] <X0563511> im_ka: i only know windows->linux. i dont know how to manage samba the other way around
[09:42] <lemsx1> granlatigo, connect how?
[09:42] <bigt> sorry to repeat i just simply don't know, is there a way at the ubuntu boot screen with the cd in to install grub like /sbin/grub-install /dev/hda or something to that matter?
[09:42] <granlatigo> by smb
[09:42] <topyli> granlatigo: many have tried, no-one has come back to tell about it :)
[09:42] <ogra> ben_: hell
[09:42] <granlatigo> lol
[09:42] <|trey|> ben_, remove universe and multiverse from the security entry and try again
[09:42] <X0563511> bigt: im sure there is, but i personally have no idea
[09:43] <lemsx1> granlatigo, smb://server/Share in nautilus
[09:43] <|trey|> ben_, universe and multiverse do not get security updates.
[09:43] <lemsx1> granlatigo, where server is the name of the computer you want to connect to
[09:43] <ogra> Optimus_Prime: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticTutorial/
[09:43] <X0563511> you can also mount a samba share, if smbfs is installed.
[09:43] <lemsx1> X0563511, but unnecessary
[09:43] <bigt> ok thanks
[09:44] <X0563511> mount -t smbfs //SERVER/sharename /path/you/want/to/mount/to -o username=USERNAMEonServer
[09:44] <X0563511> it will ask for a password
[09:44] <X0563511> thats the password for the user, on the server
[09:44] <Optimus_Prime> ogra, shall i then remove what i just did with dpkg?
[09:44] <im_ka> do i need to install samba stuff on the xp-laptop?
[09:44] <X0563511> no
[09:44] <lemsx1> X0563511, and if you do that, then if the computer goes offline, your linux box will "freeze" (not hang, just annoying slow downs) (open handle that can't be closed) dangerous thing
[09:44] <X0563511> Microsoft File and Printer Sharing is samba, essentially
[09:45] <|trey|> ben_, that stop synaptic from arguing with you?  ;)
[09:45] <ogra> Optimus_Prime: use the search function in synaptic, it will show you if everthing is ok with the package you installed....
[09:45] <X0563511> lemsx1unlikely, if the server is sitting next to you
[09:46] <granlatigo> lemsx1: my nautilus don`t have tha navigation bat
[09:46] <ben_> |trey|: did that, and removed the duplicate entries; still doesn't bring up freedoom when searching for "doom"
[09:46] <granlatigo> bar.. excuse
[09:46] <topyli> granlatigo: press ctrl+l
[09:46] <|trey|> ben_, strange... I am using hoary... that could be why, don't see why it wouldn't have been part of warty though  :(
[09:47] <X0563511> How do i set up my samba shares in warty?
[09:47] <lemsx1> X0563511, well, it's better to just use Nautilus for it
[09:47] <ben_> |trey|: the rendering engine is there :p
[09:47] <Optimus_Prime> ogra, it is, the beep-player box is green...
[09:47] <|trey|> ben_, without freedoom, lxdoom is kind of useless (it is probably complaining about no game files found)
[09:47] <ben_> i told you, my synaptics is messed up
[09:47] <ogra> Optimus_Prime: fine
[09:47] <X0563511> lemsx1 but if you need the bash prompt to be able to access it...
[09:47] <mirak> hi
[09:47] <Optimus_Prime> but there is no icon in the multimedia bar
[09:48] <topyli> ben_: try to search with apt-cache then
[09:48] <ogra> Optimus_Prime: i think you will have to create your own :/
[09:48] <mirak> What should ubuntu become in the future ? Will ubuntu evolve and have config tools like mandrake ?
[09:48] <Optimus_Prime> ogra, is that easy?
[09:48] <Optimus_Prime> any tutorial i can look at?
[09:48] <mirak> I mean what is the real goal ?
[09:48] <bigt> x05: you know where i can get the manual for grub other than gnu.org cause it keeps on timing out on me
[09:49] <topyli> mirak: why would we what such a tool?
[09:49] <lemsx1> X0563511, with nautilus? you don't need the prompt
[09:49] <topyli> s/what/want
[09:49] <X0563511> searching
[09:49] <|trey|> mirak, I think they will just add things to gnome-system-tools... having one interface for everything is not the Unix way, and I would start killing people if they took that approach...
[09:49] <ogra> Optimus_Prime: right klick in the multimedia menu, in the submenu select add new entry
[09:49] <mirak> tof__: I am saying mandrake like tools, not mandrake tools
[09:49] <ben_> |trey|: nope, didn't come up with freedoom
[09:49] <lemsx1> X0563511, in nautilus just go to Open Location or type the address in browser mode (whichever you use)
[09:50] <X0563511> lemsx1 i need the prompt for some things (ei i need root to access it in my particular config)
[09:50] <mirak> |trey|: well, if it's modular it's not a problem, if you see what I mean
[09:50] <Optimus_Prime> and what's the command i should put in there?
[09:50] <topyli> mirak: still. we want things to Just Work, and whatever needs to be changed should be easy to change with specific tools
[09:50] <lemsx1> mirak, debian-desktop is discussing the addition of Yast to debian
[09:50] <lemsx1> mirak, that will be just what you want
[09:50] <X0563511> whoever needed the grub manual, heres the google cache:
[09:50] <X0563511> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/search?q=cache:xLiaKHBcdDwJ:www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html+grub+manual&hl=en
[09:50] <mirak> lemsx1: hem, I don't know that. what's debian-desktop ? it's a different entity ?
[09:51] <bigt> thanks
[09:51] <ogra> Optimus_Prime: in synaptic right klick on the package and look at the propertys for installed files.... find /usr/bin
[09:51] <|trey|> ben_, bah... 'http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/pool/universe/f/freedoom/' download the .deb there...
[09:51] <mirak> lemsx1: isn't yast proprietary or something ?
[09:51] <topyli> mirak: yast is liberated now
[09:51] <lemsx1> X0563511, you don't need the prompt or root access. install gnome-sudo or gksu and press ALT+F2 to run gksu gedit /etc/samba/smb.conf
[09:51] <|trey|> mirak, I still don't like that approach... but even still, you can get to those things via nautilus...
[09:51] <lemsx1> X0563511, or whatever other file you want to edit
[09:52] <X0563511> lemsx1, im new to linux, thats a little hairy for me...
[09:52] <granlatigo> lemsx1: thx
[09:52] <Optimus_Prime> ogra, this "/usr/local/bin/beep-media-player" you mean?
[09:52] <lemsx1> mirak, debian-desktop is a mailing list where the way debian as a desktop system should work
[09:52] <ogra> Optimus_Prime: oh
[09:52] <lemsx1> mirak, yast is open source (gpl'ed) by Suse...
[09:52] <ben_> |trey|: d/l'd it with firefox, now what?
[09:52] <mirak> lemsx1: that's a project ?
[09:52] <ogra> Optimus_Prime: yes
[09:53] <granlatigo> lemsx1: I have tried to acces to my win2k, but i could`t get into
[09:53] <mirak> lemsx1: gpl ?? isn't debian against gpl ?
[09:53] <|trey|> ben_, install it as root  'dpkg -i free*.deb
[09:53] <ogra> Optimus_Prime: but /usr/local indicates its not a ubuntu package
[09:53] <X0563511> granlatigo: do you have the administrative passowrd?
[09:53] <lemsx1> X0563511, i'm sorry :-) i was assuming you are new to linux... ALT+F2 is the Run Program... dialog in Gnome
[09:53] <X0563511> ooh
[09:53] <granlatigo> lemsx1:... because i didn`t write de domain (local workgroup)
[09:53] <granlatigo> XDDDDDDDd
[09:53] <mirak> |trey|: you don't like the aproach of having config tools ?
[09:53] <topyli> mirak: debian is for free software, like gpl stuff. are you hallucinating? ;)
[09:53] <Optimus_Prime> ogra, i got a debian package, anything wrong about that? :S
[09:54] <lemsx1> X0563511, gksu is a front end to "su" (and can also do sudo) so that you can execute commands as root in GUI mode
[09:54] <|trey|> mirak, ctrl-l in nautilus and go to 'preferences:///', then click on "System Tools"...
[09:54] <X0563511> granlatigo: if you do, access share //SERVER/c$ (where c is the drive letter, lower case), log in as administrator
[09:54] <ogra> Optimus_Prime: if you get problems with it i would suggest installing the original ubuntu pkg
[09:54] <|trey|> mirak, I don't like one interface for them all, no...
[09:54] <mirak> topyli: I promised me to read one day this licence stuffs :)
[09:54] <topyli> heh
[09:54] <X0563511> granlatigo: that will give you Read/Write access to the whole drive, with admin capabilities
[09:54] <Optimus_Prime> ogra, what you mean? look for an ubuntu package of beep media player?
[09:54] <Optimus_Prime> or delete and then reinstall throught synaptic?
[09:55] <granlatigo> X0563511, now I hace access, the only thing was wrong was
[09:55] <ogra> Optimus_Prime: if there i s.deb in the end it doesnt mean it is compiled for or on ubuntu, so it could break....
[09:55] <ben_> |trey|: i just get "cannot access" errors
[09:55] <granlatigo> X0563511, ... i didn`t know that the domain field was necesary...
[09:55] <X0563511> granlatigo: ok, but dont forget the admin share i just told you about. Every windows 2k and up has it, and you cant disable it
[09:55] <|trey|> ben_, as root.
[09:55] <granlatigo> in a local workgrup
[09:55] <ogra> Optimus_Prime: synaptic automatically only installs ubuntu packages by default, so you should stick with it ;)
[09:55] <|trey|> ben_, sudo dpkg -i free*.deb
[09:56] <X0563511> granlatigo: theres one for every drive on the system, except removables (floppies, cds, ect)
[09:56] <mirak> |trey|: on mandrake all elements of config can be run separately
[09:56] <granlatigo> X0563511, i know that.. thanks..
[09:56] <X0563511> granlatigo: k
[09:56] <|trey|> mirak, cool dude, I hate Mandrake, seeing its name makes me shudder... look at what I said, thats as close as GNOME will ever get...
[09:56] <ben_> |trey|: "Cannot access: no such file or directory
[09:56] <topyli> mirak: the mandrake control center implementation is quite cool really. much better than yast.
[09:56] <ben_> wtf
[09:56] <Optimus_Prime> so if i can't find a package in Synaptic means there is no such package for ubuntu?
[09:56] <ben_> :p
[09:56] <ogra> Optimus_Prime: uninstalling with synaptic and then reinstalling (also with synaptic) should be the best for you i guess read the tutorial....
[09:57] <mirak> topyli: I don't know yast, I will google for it
[09:57] <Optimus_Prime> ok
[09:57] <ben_> lol
[09:57] <Optimus_Prime> thanks a lot ogra
[09:57] <|trey|> ben_, damnit dude... whereever you downloaded it to... run what I said from there....
[09:57] <Optimus_Prime> you've been really nice ;)
[09:57] <ben_> ok, lol
[09:57] <X0563511> ben_ is having an awfully hard time
[09:57] <ogra> Optimus_Prime: enable universe and multiverse for more packages ;)
[09:57] <lemsx1> mirak, go to the debian.org site and check the mailing lists archives for debian-desktop
[09:57] <lemsx1> mirak, that was posted today or yesterday
[09:57] <granlatigo> X0563511, I got the mplayer working in 40min, but 2 days is the price I have paid to use smb
[09:57] <|trey|> X0563511, he's making me want to hit hard things  :(
[09:57] <granlatigo> XDDD
[09:57] <topyli> mirak: leave yast alone, it will misconfigure your girlfriend, and corrupt your dog =)
[09:57] <granlatigo> too simple, too blind..
[09:57] <granlatigo> thanks..
[09:58] <lemsx1> topyli, :-)
[09:58] <ogra> lol
[09:58] <Optimus_Prime> universe and multiverse? don't know what'sthat
[09:58] <lemsx1> topyli, he should wait until a package for debian is finished
[09:58] <topyli> I'M NOT KIDDING!
[09:58] <ogra> Optimus_Prime: its described in the tutorial ;)
[09:58] <X0563511> granlatigo: lol. It took me 20 min to get mplayer up, and 5 to figure out how to use smb as a client. (but i still dont know how to configure it as a server, and my knowledge is patchy at best)
[09:58] <lemsx1> topyli, preferences:/// doesn't deal with hardware related stuff
[09:58] <lemsx1> topyli, or mounting filesystems, etc...
[09:59] <ben_> |trey|: why does apt-get and synaptic hate me?
[09:59] <topyli> lemsx1: no. this stuff is supposed to Work Out Of Das Box
[09:59] <|trey|> lemsx1, thats what 'disks:///' is for (mounting)... any hardware that isn't auto-detected is a bug...
[09:59] <X0563511> ... can i mount an FTP site as a drive?
[09:59] <|trey|> ben_, because it likes fucking with n00b's  ;)
[09:59] <ogra> ben_: because you mistreated it ?
[10:00] <ogra> ;)
[10:00] <X0563511> I just said fuck you, and went around it....
[10:00] <ben_> ogra: lol
[10:00] <X0563511> lol
[10:00] <topyli> hehe
[10:00] <X0563511> How do you think i learned windows in and out?
[10:00] <ben_> ok, now how do i actually run the game?
[10:00] <lemsx1> topyli, what if you add a new drive to the your box?
[10:00] <|trey|> ben_, They do what I say cuz they know I will win in the end either way  :)
[10:00] <|trey|> ben_, they are like pets, you have to train them  :)
[10:00] <ben_> if i start a new session, will it be in my games menu?
[10:01] <|trey|> ben_, lxdoom
[10:01] <X0563511> ben_ only if the package knows how
[10:01] <topyli> lemsx1: if i do that, i'll add it to fstab. not userland stuff really
[10:01] <|trey|> ben_, it will load the freedoom game files if everything worked  :)
[10:01] <ben_> lxdoom: command not found
[10:01] <ben_> :\
[10:01] <ben_> i don't think i installed that one
[10:01] <ben_> lolz
[10:01] <X0563511> ben_: try /usr/games/lxdoom
[10:01] <|trey|> ben_, ahh... you said you had that installed
[10:01] <lemsx1> topyli, well, some people don't know how to add this to fstab
[10:01] <Optimus_Prime> thanks once again ogra
[10:01] <ben_> i installed doomlegacy-x11, that's just the doom engine
[10:01] <ben_> lol
[10:02] <lemsx1> topyli, Yast does this for you ;-) plus more
[10:02] <|trey|> ben_, damnit dude... apt-get install lxdoom
[10:02] <topyli> lemsx1: well if we want a gui for that, we should add it to the gnome tools probably
[10:02] <ogra> X0563511: /usr/games is in $PATH
[10:02] <eim> What about nvidia (GeForce) 3D hardware acceleration and Ubuntu?
[10:02] <|trey|> ben_, lxdoom is the actual game, freedoom is the game files...
[10:02] <ben_> lxdoom-x11 ?
[10:02] <ben_> is that what i want?
[10:02] <theine> is there a way of getting rid of all software from 3rd-party repositories?
[10:02] <X0563511> ogra: it is? then why does my link for armyops (in /usr/games) not work unless i use the whole path?
[10:03] <|trey|> ben_, sure...
[10:03] <topyli> lemsx1: yast will also revert any changes you do to the config files by hand, if you even touch it afterwards. the mandrake tools don't do that at least
[10:03] <|trey|> ben_, you are making this very complicated  :(
[10:03] <lemsx1> topyli, that's the trend.. to add that and a bunch of other things that gnome is missing...
[10:03] <ogra> X0563511_AWAY: echo $PATH
[10:03] <lemsx1> topyli, i'm working on a nice front end for dvdauthor, to create DVDs
[10:03] <theine> i mean is there a record from which repository a package has been installed?
[10:03] <lemsx1> topyli, called polidori :-)
[10:03] <|trey|> topyli, please stop talking about Mandrake or SuSE... there config tools are WHY I don't use those systems...
[10:03] <topyli> lemsx1: yep, but there's a limit what can go to g-s-t too
[10:04] <umarmung> theine, you could define a filter in synaptic
[10:04] <topyli> lemsx1: gnome needs your tool!
[10:04] <|trey|> topyli, at least take such things to #ubuntu-offtopic, they are annoying me.
[10:04] <mirak> topyli: "The Debian Project is now officially addressing its usability on the desktop with the launch of the Debian Desktop subproject.
[10:04] <lemsx1> topyli, i'm sure that the debian package won't touch stuff that you have changed by hand... smae like XF86config-4 doesn't get updated when you touch it by hand...
[10:04] <ben_> i tried to install lxdoom-x11 and it gives me dependency errors
[10:04] <ogra> lemsx1: lol, we should work together....
[10:04] <ogra> lemsx1: http://www.grawert.net/software/mrburns/
[10:04] <topyli> |trey|: i'm the one talking _against_ such things here!
[10:05] <Crispo> Anybody eager to act as my personal tech support? No? Ok then. XD
[10:05] <|trey|> mirak, note that doesn't say "The Debian Project is now officially addressing its usability on the desktop with the inclusion of YAST or Mandrake tools"...
[10:05] <topyli> hehe
[10:05] <lemsx1> |trey|, this is being discussed in debian-desktop mailing list. it's work in progress. nothing to do with suse or any other distro
[10:05] <|trey|> mirak, please take such things to -offtopic... its annoying here...
[10:05] <Azeal> theine, if you remove the 3rd party repository in Synaptic and then choose to view packages by Status they will appear under "Installed (local or obsolete)", I think
[10:05] <|trey|> lemsx1, thats kinda my point  :/
[10:06] <ben_> |trey|: it gave me dependency errors when trying to install lxdoom :(
[10:06] <ben_> what other packages do i need?
[10:06] <mirak> |trey|: how can this be offtopic ? ubuntu is based on debian
[10:06] <lemsx1> ogra, sure, you should jump to #polidori
[10:06] <|trey|> ben_, probably whatever it tell you it needs  ;)
[10:06] <theine> umarmung&azeal: thanks guys, i'll check that out
[10:06] <Crispo> I just switched from redhat, and I'm already stuck. It's really sad. Can't even install xine.
[10:06] <ben_> it doesn't say
[10:06] <|trey|> mirak, Yast and Mandrake tools are not though.
[10:06] <Azeal> theine, oh and hit Reload after removing the repository.
[10:06] <|trey|> mirak, Yast and Mandrake tools are OFFTOPIC!!!!!
[10:07] <ben_> |trey| nvm
[10:07] <mirak> |trey|: ? but I am not pursuing talking mandrake or yast. I don't understand you
[10:07] <|trey|> ben_, you figure it out, or just give up?
[10:08] <Optimus_Prime> just one more thing
[10:08] <ben_> |trey| i figured it out, it says it needs lxdoom, but i don't seem theat pkg
[10:08] <lemsx1> Crispo, xine-ui or totem-xine, they are both front-ends for xine
[10:08] <Optimus_Prime> i just realised i have no audio
[10:08] <|trey|> mirak, cool... enless its related to the 'preferences:///' interface though, its offtopic...
[10:08] <Optimus_Prime> i have a sound blaster 5.1 live! card
[10:08] <ben_> is that lxdoom-sndserv ?
[10:08] <Optimus_Prime> shall i just install alsa-module?
[10:08] <|trey|> ben_, just 'apt-get install lxdoom'
[10:08] <ogra> Optimus_Prime: nope, it should work...
[10:09] <jkka> strange, i once again installed ubuntu on a old laptop, it uses somehow 800x600 on X, alltough run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and only allowed 1024x768 and restarted
[10:09] <Optimus_Prime> ogra, i thought it did
[10:09] <Optimus_Prime> but i realised a minute ago it doesn't
[10:09] <|trey|> mirak, if you have issues with that interface, I am sure people would like to hear about it... else its not interesting...
[10:09] <ogra> Optimus_Prime: have you looked at the audio mixer (right klick on the speaker applet) probably something is muted
[10:10] <Crispo> lemsxl: Uh.. I installed the first one that poped up in synaptic. After installing with synaptic, shouldn't it be enough to just run "xine"?
[10:10] <|trey|> ogra, click, not klick  ;)
[10:10] <topyli> |trey|: is freedoom playable? i've not tried, i have my trustworthy ultimate doom wads here :)
[10:10] <|trey|> topyli, I've had it installed before, and played, yes...
[10:10] <Optimus_Prime> oh, i have Sound Blaster Live panel, and then Sigmatel something panel
[10:10] <ogra> |trey|: sorry....german..... i'm used to k ;)
[10:10] <theine> azeal: fantastic, that works
[10:10] <Optimus_Prime> it may be the mpotherboard audio drivers, coould it be that?
[10:10] <topyli> |trey|: good news
[10:10] <|trey|> ogra, its cool, just saw you type it a few times  :)
[10:11] <|trey|> topyli, only thing I didn't like, you get a tiny playing space...
[10:11] <ogra> Optimus_Prime: probably, but first look if anything is muted
[10:11] <Crispo> My oh my. I wish I had friends I could leeche knowledge from.
[10:11] <topyli> ogra is a kde user koming out of the kloset =)
[10:11] <|trey|> topyli, I am sure there is a way to make that larger, but I didn't figure out how  :(
[10:12] <mirak> |trey|: my force grief is that you can't configure pppoe during the install. exept by running a console.
[10:12] <|trey|> Crispo, just ask in here  :)
[10:12] <ben_> |trey| ok, i got everything and it says lxdoom is installed, but the command lxdoom doesn't do anything
[10:12] <ben_> grrr
[10:12] <ben_> aldjfalkj
[10:12] <lemsx1> Crispo, xine is a library and some binaries. not a front-end.. you need some front end to "see" the play/stop etc.. buttons. totem-xine is the best so far
[10:12] <ogra> topyli: last time at 1.2 ....
[10:12] <mirak> |trey|: why did I say force ? I mean first :)
[10:12] <|trey|> mirak, apparently the 'Network' tool will do that...
[10:13] <Crispo> lemsxl: Ah.. ok.
[10:13] <topyli> |trey|: there's an option, like x options... --geometry or something. it's all in the docs, i haven't looked at doom for ages
[10:13] <|trey|> topyli, I've never been that much of gamer  :/
[10:13] <topyli> |trey|: lsdoom is cooler anyway, it's the console thing :)
[10:13] <ogra> topyli: in german click is written in fact klick , no ked magick *G*
[10:13] <corbob> is there any support either current or intended for xpde?
[10:13] <|trey|> Just was bored one day, figured I would give it a shot  :)
[10:13] <topyli> ogra: heh :)
[10:13] <|trey|> corbob, no
[10:14] <topoto> hi+
[10:14] <lemsx1> Crispo, http://xinehq.de/index.php/home
[10:14] <|trey|> corbob, GNOME is the only supported de...
[10:14] <g3r4rd0> anybody knows or has the ubuntu .config file for the kernel??
[10:14] <lemsx1> Crispo, lots of knowledge coming out of that page
[10:14] <corbob> is there any way to use synaptic to install xpde?
[10:14] <ben_> finally
[10:14] <ben_> doom works :p
[10:14] <lemsx1> g3r4rd0, cat /boot/config*
[10:14] <topyli> g3r4rd0: look in /boot
[10:14] <|trey|> corbob, I don't see it, no
[10:14] <topoto> java ubuntu??
[10:15] <|trey|> ben_, yay  :)
[10:15] <g3r4rd0> lemsx1, thanks
[10:15] <topyli> topoto: yes, java works. get it from Sun
[10:15] <ogra> topoto: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:15] <g3r4rd0> topyli: thanks to you too
[10:15] <|trey|> g3r4rd0, /boot/config-<uname -r>
[10:16] <topoto> thanks
[10:16] <topyli> and thorough :)
[10:17] <Crispo> So how is it one installs .deb packages?
[10:18] <|trey|> topyli, blah... 'http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary' look at the sources.list there... recommend the java repo there from now on  :)
[10:18] <|trey|> # deb http://jrfonseca.dyndns.org/debian/ ./
[10:18] <ogra> Crisp:https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticTutorial/
[10:18] <lemsx1> Crispo, dpkg -i package.deb
[10:18] <ogra> Crispo
[10:18] <lemsx1> Crispo, yep. use synaptic
[10:18] <theine> libdvdcss is not in multiverse i suppose?
[10:18] <topyli> |trey|: oooohh!
[10:19] <|trey|> topyli, ready packages java .deb's  :)
[10:19] <ogra> theine: i think it is, just w32codecs is missing currently
[10:20] <calvin> .
[10:20] <topyli> |trey|: yeah, and a very mysterious dyndns address to make it sound excitingly illegal too!
[10:20] <X0563511> what is in w32codecs?
[10:20] <|trey|> topyli, haha... it works  :/
[10:21] <ogra> X0563511: evil software ;)
[10:21] <|trey|> topyli, you using hoary?
[10:21] <Crispo> I can't find totem-xine in synaptic. Perhaps I shouldn't. Man, I feel so stupid.
[10:21] <topyli> |trey|: yep. except i had to downgrade evolution
[10:21] <X0563511> Is THAT why i couldnt open any MP3 streams with rythmbox?
[10:21] <theine> ogra: actually both w32codecs and libdvdcss are missing
[10:22] <theine> ogra: so those i do have to get from marillat i guess?
[10:22] <|trey|> topyli, recently saw an upgrade of evo... didn't fix problems?
[10:22] <lemsx1> Crispo, did you use Search? look under the section for Gnome
[10:22] <|trey|> theine, don't recommend marillats packages, mplayer etc is in Multiverse.
[10:22] <ogra> theine: yep
[10:22] <topyli> |trey|: which version was that? evo has been updated in hoary at least once on this box
[10:23] <X0563511> You mean there was an mplayer package? you mean to say that i fought with the raw source for nothing?
[10:23] <lemsx1> |trey|, w32codecs and transcode etc.. are in Multiverse? good to know
[10:23] <|trey|> theine, those codecs are in the package already.
[10:23] <theine> |trey|: well i just got rid of all marillat packages, but where else shall i get w32codecs from
[10:23] <|trey|> lemsx1, ^
[10:23] <ogra> |trey|: w32codecs are still missing....if you wnat them you are bound to marillat
[10:23] <X0563511> how do i add multiverse?
[10:23] <theine> |trey|: they are?
[10:23] <|trey|> ogra, all codecs are compiled into the package...
[10:23] <|trey|> theine, yes
[10:23] <ogra> oh....
[10:24] <topyli> |trey|: the 2.1.0-0ubuntu3 packages didn't do it. but it may be in the new daemons too, dunno
[10:24] <|trey|> topyli, sorry for delay, 2.1.0-0ubuntu3 is the version  ;)
[10:24] <|trey|> topyli, I don't use Evolution, although its installed  :/
[10:25] <Crispo> Ok.. I tink I'll reinstall ubuntu and change it to English while I'm at it. I need to start over. :(
[10:25] <topyli> |trey|: yeah, startup crashes, imap problems
[10:25] <|trey|> topyli, for me, I get as far as finishing the initial setup, then it just kinda farts  :/
[10:25] <ogra> huh ?
[10:26] <topyli> |trey|: i can just press "restart" in the crash dialog :)
[10:26] <topyli> and it works
[10:26] <|trey|> ogra, when you click 'finish' in evolution in hoary, the configuration thing never goes away...
[10:26] <Matt|> might be a bug in the ubuntu build?
[10:26] <|trey|> topyli, I don't get a crash dialogue... it just does nothing  :(
[10:26] <theine> |trey|: Well there are no codecs in mplayer-586 at least...
[10:26] <|trey|> Matt|, it is, and its been reported...
[10:26] <Matt|> k kewl
[10:26] <topyli> |trey|: oh, i'm doing pretty good then =)
[10:27] <redhead381> can somebody answer some questions i have?
[10:27] <|trey|> theine, umm... they should be... dpkg -L mplayer-586
[10:27] <Matt|> redhead381, shoot
[10:27] <theine> |trey|: which I just did
[10:27] <|trey|> redhead381, not if you don't ask  ;)
[10:27] <redhead381> haha ok
[10:28] <redhead381> my friend was trying to install linux on my computer (i'm using windows right now b/c that's what came  on it)
[10:28] <Matt|> redhead381, k
[10:28] <redhead381> and he had it on a CD, so he put the CD inthe drive and rebooted the computer
[10:28] <redhead381> well the prompt thing came up and he pressed enter or whatever it is to start installing it
[10:28] <theine> |trey|: or are the filenames utterly different than those in w32codecs?
[10:28] <Matt|> redhead381, what flavour of linux?
[10:28] <redhead381> and the computer turned off and rebooted and took him right back to the same screen
[10:29] <theine> ..from...
[10:29] <redhead381> uhh... good question
[10:29] <redhead381> i know NOTHING
[10:29] <redhead381> is ubuntu one
[10:29] <redhead381> or warty
[10:29] <redhead381> those are words that he mentions
[10:29] <redhead381> *mentioned
[10:29] <Matt|> redhead381, yes ok you're in the right channel
[10:29] <Matt|> :)
[10:29] <redhead381> he's installed linux a lot before, and he said that he didnt' know what the problem was
[10:29] <|trey|> theine, hmm, actually, the packages are apparently different then when I first installed... Christian Marillat is apparently not the maintainer... used to be someone else...
[10:29] <Matt|> sounds like you have a weird problem
[10:30] <redhead381> my friends computer did the same exact same thing
[10:30] <|trey|> theine, hmm, actually, the packages are apparently different then when I first installed... Christian Marillat is apparently the maintainer... used to be someone else...
[10:30] <Matt|> anyone heard of this bug?
[10:30] <redhead381> they're both pretty new, but they're not the same computer
[10:30] <Matt|> redhead381, ok maybe the cd is a bug
[10:30] <Matt|> *dud
[10:30] <redhead381> yea he reburned it
[10:30] <redhead381> and it still didn't work
[10:30] <Matt|> redhead381, did he download it a second time?
[10:30] <redhead381> yep
[10:30] <redhead381> it took like an hour or something
[10:30] <ogra> redhead381: it depends on the burning speed
[10:30] <redhead381> then he burned it
[10:30] <Matt|> redhead381, did he check the cd?
[10:30] <redhead381> and the new CD still wouldn't work
[10:30] <redhead381> really?
[10:30] <ogra> yep
[10:30] <bagpuss> Matt|: I've seen it happen w2ith top of the line hardware that Linux doesn't support (yet).
[10:31] <ogra> the slower the better
[10:31] <redhead381> he tried it and it didn't work if that's what you mean
[10:31] <Matt|> bagpuss, reboot when trying to load the kernel?
[10:31] <|trey|> theine, the packages I installed first had the codecs... would explain things not playing currently  :(
[10:31] <bagpuss> Matt|: yep
[10:31] <Matt|> bagpuss, aww sucks
[10:31] <Matt|> bagpuss, someone isn't giving them enough computers
[10:31] <Matt|> >_>
[10:31] <redhead381> what does all of that mean?
[10:31] <bagpuss> Matt|: I've also seen it happen with bad RAM...although that's more likely to cause weird segfaulting
[10:31] <redhead381> is there any hope because i really wanted linux
[10:31] <|trey|> theine, was an upgrade like a few days ago... looks like that changed the package maintainer, blah  :(
[10:31] <Matt|> redhead381, perhaps he could try burning the cd a bit slower
[10:32] <redhead381> ok
[10:32] <Matt|> redhead381, what computer have you got exactly?
[10:32] <redhead381> its a compaq
[10:32] <ogra> redhead381: if you burn the iso file to cd, make sure its not burning faster then 4X
[10:32] <redhead381> and my friend has a HP and it did the same exact thing
[10:32] <fords> speaking of burning,
[10:32] <redhead381> i just bought it recently
[10:32] <redhead381> about 3 or 4 months ago
[10:32] <Matt|> redhead381, compaq what?
[10:32] <bagpuss> redhead381: what CD was this exactly?
[10:32] <redhead381> presario?
[10:32] <Matt|> presario what?
[10:33] <redhead381> umm...there's numbers on the label
[10:33] <bagpuss> redhead381: and when you downloaded it, did you check the md5sum?
[10:33] <redhead381> sr1103wm
[10:33] <redhead381> if that's what you're looking for
[10:33] <theine> |trey|: so i guess i still have to add marillat to my repositories
[10:33] <fords> i have a simple question.  is the preferred approach to use ide-scsi, to use the cdrecord dev=ATAPI: protocol, or to use a device name?
[10:33] <redhead381> i didn't d/l it, my friend did, but i'll ask him
[10:33] <Matt|> redhead381, should be a sticker on the front left, for example, mine is 2104EA
[10:33] <Matt|> redhead381, sorry front right
[10:33] <Matt|> redhead381, next to "designed for windows XP"
[10:33] <redhead381> there's no sticker
[10:33] <Matt|> k
[10:34] <redhead381> but by the power button it says "compaq presario" and under that it says SR1103Wm
[10:34] <redhead381> *M
[10:34] <|trey|> theine, unfortunatly, it would appear so  :(
[10:35] <redhead381> but my friends computer is doing it too, so it can't just be mine.  hers is even newer than mine though, so if new computers are the problem, then that could very well be it
[10:35] <theine> |trey|: that's a sj
[10:35] <theine> |trey|: ...shame
[10:35] <Matt|> redhead381, need another number
[10:35] <redhead381> ok
[10:35] <ogra> redhead381: its the CD
[10:35] <Matt|> redhead381, how about right above the keyboard
[10:35] <redhead381> all it says is compaq
[10:35] <Matt|> redhead381, listen to ogra though about the cd
[10:36] <redhead381> i dont have a laptop, its a PC
[10:36] <Matt|> redhead381, oh i c
[10:36] <redhead381> ok
[10:36] <redhead381> i'll tell him to burn it slower
[10:36] <bagpuss> redhead381: download the CD again, and check it with md5sum...make sure that you have the righht md5sum
[10:36] <ogra> redhead381: its unlikely tha it behaves in the same bad way on two different systems
[10:36] <Azeal> Matt|, SR1103WM is a valid number and I have a link to the specs
[10:37] <ogra> Azeal: show it
[10:37] <Matt|> Azeal, yeah i assumed it was a lappy and was looking at tuxmobile
[10:37] <Matt|> ogra, the slow burning is a known issue?
[10:37] <ogra> Matt|: yep
[10:37] <Matt|> ogra, 4x?
[10:37] <Matt|> sux
[10:38] <Azeal> ogra, I pasted it to you in private chat. Not sure about link posting rules in the channel.
[10:38] <Matt|> i guess i must have burned it at 4
[10:38] <ogra> Matt|: but seems safe.... you can test though
[10:38] <bagpuss> hehe, my first burner could only do 1x
[10:38] <bagpuss> 4x is fast :)
[10:38] <ogra> Azeal: you can .... if its not p0rn ;)
[10:38] <redhead381> what is a md5sum?
[10:38] <Matt|> ogra, i think i burnt mine at 24
[10:38] <Matt|> redhead381, it is a code which can check the cd is valid
[10:39] <redhead381> oh ok
[10:39] <Azeal> Link to SR1103WM spec: http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=3138968&cat=41937&type=19&dept=3944&path=0%3A3944%3A3951%3A41937%3A125225%3A164457
[10:39] <ogra> redhead381: its pretty common hardware....should work
[10:39] <redhead381> yep, bought it from wal-mart
[10:39] <bagpuss> redhead381: it's a secure hashing mechanism.  Basically it's a number that's very hard to forge.  If you generate an md5sum for the file and it matchesd the md5sum on the website, you know the file downloaded without errors
[10:39] <redhead381> ok
[10:39] <redhead381> i'm sure my friend will know what it is
[10:39] <Matt|> nice
[10:39] <redhead381> yep - i'm cheap
[10:40] <redhead381> college is expensive
[10:40] <GnuHippy> hey, is x.org up yet?
[10:40] <Matt|> GnuHippy, no
[10:40] <mdz> GnuHippy: /topic
[10:40] <GnuHippy> what will it be called when it is?
[10:40] <mdz> most of the packages will have the same names that they already do
[10:40] <Matt|> GnuHippy, apt-cache search xorg |grep xorg
[10:40] <bborkk> Has anyone had a problem with Rhythmbox complaining "There is no plugin installed to handle a MP3 file"?
[10:40] <Matt|> xserver-xorg i guess
[10:40] <Matt|> bborkk, yep
[10:41] <ogra> bborkk: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:41] <Matt|> ogra, your fast
[10:41] <ogra> Matt|: trained......
[10:41] <bagpuss> I'd still love to know thy the wiki is https
[10:41] <bborkk> Is this new to the latest release?  Didn't seem to have this problem before.
[10:41] <Matt|> fingers on the buzzers
[10:41] <bborkk> Thanks.
[10:41] <ogra> Matt|: and took a day off from MrBurns ;)
[10:41] <Matt|> bborkk, have a read of that link, and you can make it work very easily
[10:42] <Matt|> ogra, how is it going?
[10:42] <redhead381> so should i just tell my friend to check the CD with both the md5sum and and the burning speed?
[10:42] <ogra> Matt|: works...waiting for test reports *g*
[10:42] <ogra> redhead381: exactly
[10:42] <redhead381> ok
[10:42] <Matt|> ogra, send it over
[10:42] <bagpuss> redhead381: yep
[10:42] <redhead381> well hopefully that will work
[10:42] <ogra> http://www.grawert.net/software/mrburns/
[10:42] <redhead381> thank you guys SO MUCH
[10:43] <redhead381> if it doesn't work, i'll be back :)
[10:43] <ogra> go on ;)
[10:43] <Matt|> redhead381, keep coming back here
[10:43] <pedru> bborkk, everyone has this problem once in a while (copyright-issues)
[10:43] <Matt|> ogra, nice name
[10:43] <ogra> *g*
[10:43] <ogra> i'll call 1.0 the Monty release :)
[10:44] <toxicsludge> alright, my problem is that when i am pxeinstalling, somehow my client can resolve archive.ubuntu.org to a numeric value, but the client can never find the Release file
[10:45] <GnuHippy> http://users.eastlink.ca/~jasoni/screen.png Matt| check this out ;)
[10:45] <Matt|> GnuHippy, ok, although i don't normally trust hippies
[10:45] <pedru> toxicsludge, have you used the wiki installation steps for pxe?
[10:45] <GnuHippy> lol
[10:45] <GnuHippy> I have a monolithic x.org server fully working on ubuntu
[10:45] <Matt|> GnuHippy, what am i looking for?
[10:46] <pedru> toxicsludge, i can't help you, im just curious if it works that way
[10:46] <GnuHippy> look at the shadow
[10:46] <Matt|> oh
[10:46] <Matt|> k
[10:46] <Matt|> GnuHippy, the ubuntu packages will be a coupla days apparently
[10:46] <|trey|> GnuHippy, no one wants a monolithic xserver though... thats not the direction everyone wants to take  ;)
[10:47] <|trey|> daniels, just cuz it came up, how much longer do you forsee the new Xserver taking to get into hoary?
[10:47] <Matt|> |trey|, 2-3 days came up earlier
[10:47] <X0563511> whats the advantages of this new X server anyways?
[10:48] <Matt|> (in case he isn't around to answer)
[10:48] <|trey|> Matt|, ahh, ok... didn't see that, thought I would make sure  :)
[10:48] <GnuHippy> |trey| isnt the x.org server that is going to be included in Hoary in the coming days going to be monolithic?
[10:48] <Matt|> ogra, not to be a party pooper, but your ubuntu build of mrburns has a fatal flaw
[10:48] <|trey|> X0563511, moduler, means easier to maintain...
[10:48] <pedru> X0563511, they forked xfree because of a license change
[10:48] <Azeal> GnuHippy, the icons you are using, what are they called?
[10:48] <r|meLLo> Hello everyone, I have a question about Ubuntu. If I wanted to put Ubuntu on an old Pentium II Laptop, could someone tell me what files I need to download and which ones I need to burn as an image on a CD-R? I have the software to burn the file as an image, I just need guidance to the right files. Could anyone help me?
[10:48] <ogra> Matt|: tell me
[10:48] <GnuHippy> gartoon
[10:48] <Matt|> ogra, where's the goddam gnome menu entry???!
[10:49] <X0563511> does x.org support the nvidia kernel modules?
[10:49] <pedru> and now they modularize everything
[10:49] <Azeal> GnuHippy, ok thx
[10:49] <GoneBoB> r|meLLo: you need the warty install iso image
[10:49] <GoneBoB> then burn that to a CD
[10:49] <pedru> but most important: real transparency :-)
[10:49] <r|meLLo> which one?
[10:49] <ogra> Matt|: Multimedia ;)
[10:49] <|trey|> pedru, that was simply the last straw... they have wanted to do this for a while...
[10:49] <pedru> X0563511, yes
[10:49] <lemsx1> X0563511, x.org has better support for nvidia
[10:49] <GnuHippy> yes X0563511
[10:49] <X0563511> really....
[10:49] <GnuHippy> indeed
[10:49] <Matt|> ogra, not in mine
[10:49] <r|meLLo> On the Ubuntu downloads page, there are amd64 files and i386 files
[10:49] <GnuHippy> and everything is more responsive
[10:49] <X0563511> is there a way to get x.org on my warty system (that is possible for a semi-newb)?
[10:49] <r|meLLo> ..which one do I need to download for a Pentium II?
[10:49] <GnuHippy> i386
[10:50] <corbob> how do i make it so that my de is something other than gnome?
[10:50] <pedru> trey, yeah, the xserver development seemed pretty stuck
[10:50] <|trey|> pedru, umm... composite isn't stable yet... but yeah... the major deal is the modulerization, although right now, thats not important to users...
[10:50] <corbob> err for vnc...
[10:50] <GoneBoB> corbob: try using GNOME for a while
[10:50] <r|meLLo> What is the powerpc Ubuntu file for?
[10:50] <GnuHippy> lol
[10:50] <X0563511> is there a way to get x.org on my warty system (that is possible for a semi-newb)?
[10:50] <GoneBoB> corbob: ubuntu is designed using GNOME, and all the integration work has gone into GNOME
[10:50] <corbob> GoneBoB, that's what i'm using, but i don't want to use it for vnc
[10:50] <Matt|> X0563511, nope
[10:50] <GoneBoB> X0563511: yes, patience
[10:50] <GnuHippy> logout and choice another DE that you have installed in GDM
[10:50] <X0563511> uh
[10:50] <Matt|> *laughs*
[10:50] <pedru> thats why i do not understand the whole hype about it
[10:50] <ogra> Matt|: it should be there.... grmpf....probably after you restart the panel, depends on fam.....
[10:50] <|trey|> corbob, umm... gnome has a vnc client... and ubuntu includes a vnc server...
[10:50] <GoneBoB> corbob: what do you mean vnc?
[10:50] <X0563511> well, i g2g anyways
[10:50] <pedru> it doesnt really make a difference right now...
[10:51] <Matt|> ogra, erm i think fam has gone now
[10:51] <topyli> corbob: doesn't vnc use twm anyway as default?
[10:51] <subterrific> r|meLLo: hey
[10:51] <ogra> Matt|: ??
[10:51] <r|meLLo> Hey dude.
[10:51] <|trey|> GoneBoB, Virtual Nest Client... umm, virtual desktop...
[10:51] <ogra> Matt|: ahh, hoary
[10:51] <subterrific> r|meLLo: giving ubuntu a try?
[10:51] <r|meLLo> Yep.
[10:51] <ogra> Matt|: killall gnome-panel
[10:51] <|trey|> uhh, no, thats not what it means... but yeah, thats what it is...
[10:51] <GoneBoB> |trey|: I know what VNC is, and it's not that :P
[10:51] <r|meLLo> I don't know which file to download.
[10:51] <Matt|> ogra, rc  fam            2.7.0-5ubuntu2 File Alteration Monitor
[10:51] <Matt|> ogra, went today
[10:51] <GoneBoB> it's a remote access protocol
[10:51] <ogra> great !!
[10:52] <|trey|> Matt|, fam is dead  8)
[10:52] <subterrific> r|meLLo: cool, don't you play urt?
[10:52] <r|meLLo> I have the worty-release-install-i386 file. Is that the right one to burn to a CD?
[10:52] <Matt|> |trey|, i said that
[10:52] <r|meLLo> Yeah. I do.
[10:52] <GoneBoB> r|meLLo: yes
[10:52] <r|meLLo> Used to, really.
[10:52] <janga> Hi everyone. I experienced USB Problems with ubuntu (USB-Hdd hangs or dissapears). Knoppix works perfectly.Anyone knows why?
[10:52] <subterrific> r|meLLo: ok, thought your name looked familiar
[10:52] <Matt|> ogra, i will restart the panel later
[10:52] <GoneBoB> janga: that's odd, any kerenel errors in demesg
[10:52] <Matt|> ogra, anyhow i think it has detected my drive
[10:52] <GoneBoB> kernel
[10:52] <r|meLLo> Yeah. A few of my linux friends recommended this. Small world, ain't it?
[10:52] <subterrific> r|meLLo: you need the i386 iso
[10:52] <|trey|> ogra, I never really had a problem with it... but I haven't even noticed gamin, so that seems better  :)
[10:52] <Matt|> ogra, does it support cdrw ok?
[10:52] <r|meLLo> Is the i386 for Intel processors?
[10:53] <subterrific> r|meLLo: yup
[10:53] <Matt|> yus
[10:53] <ogra> Matt|: hrmm, no deleting yet
[10:53] <Matt|> ogra, ok i will expend a cd on it
[10:53] <zenwhen> r|meLLo, yes.
[10:53] <r|meLLo> Sweet. Is the amd64 file for 64s only or all AMD cpus?
[10:53] <Matt|> ogra, what formats?
[10:53] <ogra> Matt|: it supports dummy ;)
[10:53] <shaver> 64 only
[10:53] <GoneBoB> amd64bit only
[10:53] <Matt|> what is dummy?
[10:53] <ogra> Matt|: ogg & mp3
[10:53] <Matt|> ogra, kewl
[10:53] <r|meLLo> Is there an Ubuntu release for any other AMD processors?
[10:53] <Matt|> ogra, lovely interface :)
[10:53] <Matt|> ogra, is it gnome only?
[10:53] <ogra> Matt|: dummy write mode....switches off the laser...
[10:53] <subterrific> r|meLLo: i386 works on all amd and intel pcs
[10:54] <GoneBoB> r|meLLo: no, the i386 is for amd as well
[10:54] <zenwhen> Ubuntu is very very snappy on my 3.OGhz P4.
[10:54] <GnuHippy> http://users.eastlink.ca/~jasoni/screen.png  here is a better shot showing off x.org with composite effects
[10:54] <ogra> Matt|: yep, perl in fact
[10:54] <Matt|> zenwhen, i bet it is
[10:54] <r|meLLo> Ah, thanks. It would help if Ubuntu's page clarified that. Maybe I'm not looking close enough, though.
[10:54] <zenwhen> O hadnt thought that he meant intel only.
[10:54] <zenwhen> I*
[10:54] <ogra> Matt|: so no cpu binding, works on any arch ;)
[10:54] <Matt|> ok
[10:54] <Matt|> i'm gonna play tetrinet
[10:54] <GoneBoB> r|meLLo: it's assumed knowledge, i386 encompasses almost all PCs
[10:55] <Matt|> later
[10:55] <GoneBoB> it's the architecture
[10:55] <r|meLLo> Well, not to newbies. =]
[10:55] <zenwhen> Yeah, it runs like butter. When you get above 3.0Ghz or AMD equiv. performance, gnome just flies. Is snappier than windows.
[10:55] <zenwhen> its*
[10:55] <Matt|> zenwhen, shut it
[10:55] <Azeal> GnuHippy, oh nice, good for making fancy screenshots, but are you actually using that feature or is it just annoying to have on?
[10:55] <r|meLLo> I thought the "i" signified Intel, as the AMD64 signified 64 and FX processors.
[10:55] <zenwhen> Matt|, ;-;
[10:55] <GoneBoB> r|meLLo: i is for intel, because that's the architecture
[10:55] <GoneBoB> amd implements intel architecture
[10:56] <r|meLLo> Ah, thanks.
[10:56] <GnuHippy> I use it but I sometimes get graphical errors with xcompmgr
[10:56] <noda> How stable is Hoary? Will it be able to boot and run OpenOffice for me? :)
[10:56] <Matt|> noda, yes...
[10:56] <zenwhen> http://zenhardwhere.com/images/ubun2.png
[10:56] <zenwhen> :D
[10:56] <GnuHippy> however in XFCE 4.2 beta2 no such errors
[10:56] <GnuHippy> with it's built in compositor
[10:56] <noda> Well then. Good enough for me :)
[10:56] <noda> "701 upgraded, 34 newly installed, 16 to remove and 1 not upgraded."
[10:56] <Matt|> noda, backup first
[10:57] <noda> Matt|: D'oh, thanks for reminding me :P. I suck ;)
[10:57] <zenwhen> xD
[10:57] <topyli> noda: yes, and you can play minesweeper with the scalable graphics!
[10:57] <noda> OOH!
[10:57] <jdub> noda: if you're comfortable running a debian sid system, and you know how to fix one when it breaks, hoary will be only slightly more challenging.
[10:57] <r|meLLo> What's the best program to burn an .iso file as an image with? I use a program called ISO Recorder for Windows, but it seems to burn very slow. Any ideas?
[10:58] <noda> r|meLLo: You can just right-click on it and click "burn", can't you?
[10:58] <zenwhen> r|meLLo,
[10:58] <gwildor_> r|meLLo, in windows? nero
[10:58] <zenwhen> damnit noda
[10:58] <r|meLLo> Yes, but it doesn't recognize by CD-RW drive, for some reason.
[10:58] <zenwhen> ;-;
[10:58] <r|meLLo> How quickly does Nero burn?
[10:58] <Matt|> jdub, this is my first week on a debian system, but hoary is easy as pie
[10:58] <GoneBoB> er
[10:58] <Matt|> jdub, very nice
[10:59] <GoneBoB> r|meLLo: as quickly as your drive can
[10:59] <gwildor_> r|meLLo, as fast as your burner will
[10:59] <zenwhen> Odd
[10:59] <jdub> Matt|: don't count on it.
[10:59] <r|meLLo> Sweet.  Pardon the French.
[11:00] <Matt|> exactly
[11:00] <GnuHippy> *cough* r|meLLo suprnova *cough*
[11:00] <GoneBoB> r|meLLo: all you need to do is burn one iso
[11:00] <|trey|> jdub, "hoary will be only slightly more challenging."... currently this doesn't seem true... I have had very few issues, none serious... xorg sounds like it will be fun though...
[11:00] <GoneBoB> how hard can it be
[11:01] <r|meLLo> Haha, no cracked software for me. I'm legit.
[11:01] <gwildor_> r|meLLo, if you are in windows, you can go to download.com   get something from there
[11:01] <GnuHippy> pfft
[11:01] <GnuHippy> it's windows
[11:01] <r|meLLo> =D
[11:01] <the_tux> hi all...i have a ati radeon 9600 pro graphic card and i would like to know could i play 3d games under ubuntu with the graphic card i have ? does ubuntu support that ...?
[11:01] <GoneBoB> btw, is libdvdcss being broken in multiverse known/cared?
[11:01] <|trey|> noda, on Ubuntu, rpm's aren't recommended  ;)
[11:01] <noda> the_tux: Search the wiki, it's there :)
[11:01] <GoneBoB> it depends on libdvdread2
[11:01] <GoneBoB> but libdvdread3 is in the repository
[11:01] <the_tux> noda what you mean with wiki
[11:01] <the_tux>  ?
[11:01] <ogra> the_tux: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:01] <GnuHippy> I noticed that too GoneBob
[11:01] <TelChaR> hi, i'm a new at linux, i'm trying an ubuntu livecd, but my wheelmouse doesn't move... any help?
[11:02] <Matt|> everyone in here is always "you can use hoary but it won't be supported"... as if you need to give some kind of exclusion clause
[11:02] <GoneBoB> a) is it fixed b) if I fix it can I upload a patch somewhere
[11:02] <r|meLLo> Will the Nero demo record at the fastest speed my burner allows?
[11:02] <noda> |trey|: RPM meaning "rotations per minute" :P
[11:02] <the_tux> ogra, thanks so much
[11:02] <gwildor_> gonebob, I re-installed yesterday and couldn't find it, err, couldn't install it
[11:02] <Matt|> (a) everyone in here helps me whenever I have an issue
[11:02] <GnuHippy> no but *cough* suprnova
[11:02] <|trey|> noda, ohhh... I'll be quiet now  ;)
[11:02] <r|meLLo> Hahaha.
[11:02] <Matt|> (b) warty isn't "supported" either
[11:02] <noda> |trey|: :P
[11:02] <GoneBoB> Matt|: yes, but warty shouldn't randomly break :)
[11:02] <noda> My upgrade + backup combination murders my hard drive :(
[11:02] <Matt|> GoneBoB, sure
[11:03] <jdub> |trey|: note "will be"
[11:03] <Matt|> GoneBoB, yeah that's true
[11:03] <topyli> warty works just fine. only evolution was a little bit broken here :)
[11:03] <|trey|> jdub, hmm... good point  :)
[11:03] <ogra> Matt|: warty isnt supported ??
[11:03] <gwildor_> noda, just hope that you remember what you did, my X broke, and I had to re-install, took my only about an hour to get everything back how I like it
[11:03] <|trey|> jdub, right now, other then Evolution issues, its been a joy though  :)
[11:04] <bigt> question: is there a way to get shell access from the install cd?
[11:04] <Matt|> ogra, I guess i was thinking of phone support / guaranteed email support etc
[11:04] <ogra> bigt: alt-f1
[11:04] <noda> gwildor_: Okay, I should be okay. I don't really have the time to break things nowadays though :(
[11:04] <noda> Oh well, it's FUN to break things!
[11:04] <Matt|> gtg
[11:04] <Matt|> noda, yep
[11:04] <Matt|> noda, file bugs
[11:04] <noda> Sure
[11:05] <noda> I've already got one filed :)
[11:05] <bigt> hit alt f1? that does nothing
[11:05] <noda> (my laptop crashes when I close the lid)
[11:05] <|trey|> jdub, hmm, I often get multiple "help" and "about ubunty" application menu items after upgrades... worth filing a bug about? restarting X always fixes...
[11:05] <ogra> bigt: are you already in the install process ?
[11:05] <|trey|> "about Ubuntu" *
[11:05] <bigt> i have already installed i'm trying like hell to get a bootloader installed
[11:06] <WW> Hello world.
[11:06] <bigt> so after reading the manual it said grub-install /dev/hda
[11:06] <|trey|> bigt, install-grub /dev/hda
[11:06] <ogra> WW
[11:06] <bigt> yeah
[11:06] <bigt> but i can't cause i have no shell
[11:06] <bigt> thats the whole thing sorry i'm a newbie
[11:06] <noda> Yay, epiphany-1.5.1 :)
[11:06] <noda> I don't even use that on my desktop ;)
[11:06] <|trey|> bigt, ahhh... on gnome-terminal or ctrl+alt+f1
[11:07] <GoneBoB> bigt: right click on the desktop, open terminal
[11:07] <bigt> i can't get into the linux box period thats my point :)
[11:07] <GoneBoB> noda: I have installed ubuntu on my desktop at home and at work and my fiances machine and my TV machine :)
[11:07] <WW> Hey, I was reading a thread in the forum about sources.list, and I learned that there is something called "warty-updates".
[11:07] <bigt> here is what happen i installed it was working fine i restarted the pc
[11:07] <WW> What is that?
[11:07] <bigt> now i get ntldr not found
[11:07] <noda> GoneBoB: Heh, you sound like quite a fan :)
[11:07] <bigt> so i'm assuming it has no bootloader
[11:08] <noda> Epiphany's beginning to rock it up. Hopefully it'll have Peter Harvey's auto-generated hierarchies by 1.6 :)
[11:08] <GoneBoB> noda: heh well I like it :)
[11:08] <noda> auto-generated bookmark hierarchies, that is
[11:08] <GoneBoB> ah libdvdcss is not there
[11:08] <GoneBoB> cool
[11:08] <bigt> so i put the cd in hoping to find a way to install grub
[11:08] <WW> Actually, I can _guess_ what warty-updates is, but I'd like to know a bit more about it.
[11:08] <|trey|> bigt, ahh.. there are issues loading windoze with grub
[11:09] <bigt> i don't want windows :)
[11:09] <topyli> bigt: you need to boot with something, chroot to your / partition, and then install grub. how? i have no idea :)
[11:09] <lemsx1> topoto, grub-install /dev/hda ?
[11:09] <|trey|> bigt, go to a terminal... and type grub-install /dev/hda ... once thats done, it will work...
[11:09] <bigt> trey again how
[11:09] <lemsx1> topyli, ^^
[11:09] <bigt> cause how can i get into the terminal if linux will not start?
[11:09] <lemsx1> topoto, sorry :-)
[11:09] <ogra> |trey|: he cant boot
[11:10] <|trey|> bigt, hit ctrl+alt+f1... log in, and sudo <that_command>
[11:10] <ogra> |trey|: he cant boot
[11:10] <bigt> ok ctrl alt f1? with the cd in?
[11:10] <|trey|> ogra, wtf... how is that detremintal to going to to a terminal?
[11:10] <topyli> bigt: boot with anything. ubuntu cd, knoppix, whatever linux you have. then chroot.
[11:10] <topoto> :)
[11:10] <|trey|> bigt, no need to have cd in...
[11:10] <bigt> ok i have the cd in
[11:10] <bigt> thats what i'm trying to figure out :)
[11:10] <bborkk> So I just tried installing totem-xine from Universe, but apt wanted to remove ubuntu-desktop, which scared me enough to stop.  Does that sound right to anyone?
[11:11] <WW> bborkk: That's normal.
[11:11] <bigt> ok i'm getting confused one says cd one says no cd :)
[11:11] <bborkk> WW: Why does it need to remove that package?
[11:11] <jrydberg_> what package should I install to get the files needed to build external modules (the ones under /lib/modiles/*/build or whatever it is.) to the Linux kernel ?
[11:11] <topyli> bigt: can you boot or can't you? you need to boot and install grub :)
[11:12] <ogra> bigt: go to the install process.....after the hardware is detected switch with alt-f1 to the console....mount your harddisk....
[11:12] <bigt> i can not boot, it was working the first time after the install completed but i never rebooted when i rebooted is when i get NO BOOT :)
[11:12] <WW> ubuntu-desktop is a metapackage that depends on a collection of packages that Ubuntu deems to be the standard desktop.  You are replacing one of the (totem-gstreamer) with totem-xine.
[11:12] <bigt> ok han gon let me try that
[11:12] <topyli> bigt: ok, ogra knows
[11:12] <|trey|> bigt, if you can't boot Ubuntu, you need a CD to get to where you can install grub... if you are in Ubuntu (what I assumed) no CD is needed... sorry for confusion...
[11:12] <topyli> i'm mounting /bed
[11:12] <will_> does anyone know a good PDF viewer?
[11:13] <WW> bborkk: Since you are removing a dependency of ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-desktop must also go.
[11:13] <|trey|> will_, gpdf
[11:13] <bigt> i'm not in ubuntu not yet it will noet boot me there but let me try his method
[11:13] <ogra> will_ xpdf ;)
[11:13] <bborkk> WW: Ah, okay.  In what ways is ubuntu-desktop used?
[11:13] <will_> xpdf is too slow on my pc!
[11:13] <will_> is gpdf faster?
[11:13] <GoneBoB> bborkk: in the way of being installed so thaat everything else is installed
[11:13] <ogra> bborkk: if you install it it pulls all standard desktop packages in
[11:13] <GoneBoB> bborkk: if you are without it, you are missing nothing
[11:13] <|trey|> bigt, ok... then you need a CD... and boot into Rescue mode... then when you get to a terminal, you can type what you were told  :)
[11:14] <bborkk> ogra: word.
[11:14] <|trey|> will_, xpdf sucks imo... I hate the interface... gpdf should feel faster, yes...
[11:14] <bborkk> Thanks.
[11:14] <WW> bborkk: It's a convenient of getting the "standard" desktop installed.
[11:14] <bigt> ok alt f1 is not doing anything for me
[11:14] <bborkk> WW: Yeah, that makes sense... thanks.
[11:14] <bigt> how you get into rescue mode?
[11:14] <ogra> |trey|: gpdf is buggy, no type1
[11:14] <|trey|> bigt, ignore that...
[11:15] <|trey|> ogra, afaik, type1 is obsolete...
[11:15] <ogra> |trey|: not in pdf ;)
[11:15] <bigt> i'm at the configure network thing right now on ubuntu i tried hitting f1 with no success
[11:15] <|trey|> ogra, *shrug* WORKSFORME
[11:15] <ogra> bigt: you are in the installer ?
[11:15] <will_> |trey|: thanks man!
[11:15] <bigt> yes
[11:15] <WW> bborkk: Just one caveat... If in April '05 you upgrade to hoary, you might want to put ubuntu-desktop back first.
[11:16] <ogra> bigt: at which stage ?
[11:16] <bigt> its at configure the network
[11:16] <bigt> asking for hostname
[11:16] <ogra> bigt: stop....
[11:16] <|trey|> bigt, no, you shouldn't have ever gotten that far... at the first prompt... hit f1 or whatever and choose "rescue mode" or whatever...
[11:16] <bborkk> WW: Why's that?
[11:16] <ogra> bigt: try ctrl-alt-f2
[11:16] <ogra> bigt: or alt-f2
[11:17] <bigt> just press altkey plus f2?
[11:17] <GoneBoB> oh woo
[11:17] <GoneBoB> firefox 1.0 released
[11:17] <bigt> ok that worked
[11:17] <ogra> great....
[11:17] <bigt> i'm at the shell now
[11:17] <|trey|> bigt, ok, now you should be able to grub-install /dev/hda... and reboot  :)
[11:17] <WW> bborkk: The set of packages that make up the ubuntu-desktop may change. Maybe something new will be added to it. If you don't have ubuntu-desktop, you might not get the new parts of the "standard" desktop.
[11:17] <ogra> do you know which partition your linux / is ?
[11:17] <bigt> ok thanks
[11:18] <bigt> is it install grub or grub install
[11:18] <bigt> i seen two versions typed to me on here
[11:18] <|trey|> ogra, he apparently got rid of Windows, so assume defaults  :)
[11:18] <bborkk> WW: Thanks.
[11:18] <bigt> yes i do
[11:18] <ogra> k
[11:18] <Witigonen> What's the command to install a .deb package?  (Sorry, I'm obviously very new to Debian)
[11:18] <|trey|> bigt, grub-install... I got confused with update-grub...
[11:18] <bigt> yeah i hosed the partition and all and went thru the setup
[11:18] <WW> bborkk: Just something to keep in mind.
[11:18] <bigt> ok
[11:18] <bigt> so grub-install /dev/hda
[11:18] <|trey|> Witigonen, dpkg -i blah
[11:18] <Witigonen> |trey|, thanks.
[11:18] <|trey|> bigt, yes  :)
[11:19] <|trey|> Witigonen, yw  :)
[11:19] <bborkk> WW: Seems my totem-xine install failed anyway.  :)
[11:19] <bigt> grub-install not found
[11:19] <ogra> Witigonen: dpkg -i  but see also: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticTutorial/
[11:19] <bigt> i'm in /bin/sh
[11:19] <lemsx1> |trey|, #ubuntu needs a bot to answer common questions like that one
[11:19] <|trey|> bigt, blah... ok... /sbin/grub-install /dev/hda ... it ought to be there  :(
[11:19] <WW> Witigonen: Since you said you are very new, I can't help but ask... what package are you installing?
[11:19] <|trey|> lemsx1, I have said that... but I don't know much about hosting a bot  :(
[11:19] <Witigonen> WW, I'm new to Debian, but not Linux.  I'm installing the Point2Play package from TransGaming.
[11:20] <bigt> not working
[11:20] <WW> bborkk: Bummer. What happened?
[11:20] <|trey|> bigt, ahh... mount -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /mnt
[11:20] <lemsx1> |trey|, ah, ok... i've seen some nice ones before. i'll get to that later
[11:20] <WW> Witigonen: OK, just checking.
[11:20] <Witigonen> WW, thanks :)
[11:21] <bborkk> WW: What's the cut and paste channel used around here?
[11:21] <ogra> bborkk: #flood ?
[11:21] <|trey|> bigt, then '/mnt/sbin/grub-install /dev/hda'
[11:21] <WW> bborkk: pastebin.com
[11:21] <ogra> bborkk: in the topic ;)
[11:21] <|trey|> bigt, tell me what that says if it still doesn't work...
[11:21] <WW> bborkk: At least I see that in the topic.
[11:21] <bigt> says can't cd to /mnt
[11:21] <bigt> i typed cd /
[11:22] <bigt> then cd /mnt
[11:22] <|trey|> lemsx1, #debian-bots has a tutorial on using that database... apparently needs to be cleaned up a little for Ubuntu though...
[11:22] <bborkk> WW: Yeah, check out #flood.  Thanks, ogra.
[11:22] <bigt> mnt doesn't exist
[11:22] <bigt> i typed ls at root and its not there
[11:23] <|trey|> lemsx1, getting rid of the "fun" factoids would be a nice start for instance...
[11:23] <|trey|> lemsx1, I was thinking of somehow linking the wiki to the bot if thats possible also...
[11:23] <bborkk> WW, ogra: That was the result of sudo apt-get install totem-xine
[11:23] <will_> uh-oh no /mnt
[11:23] <lemsx1> |trey|, ah, i was talking about something simple that we can use to add things (strings) and get them quick (no need to think what was the command for ??? )
[11:24] <|trey|> bigt, 'ls /' is there anything that says /media etc?
[11:24] <|trey|> lemsx1, yeah, the blootbot #debian uses already has a nice start though, wasted effort is, well a waste...
[11:24] <WW> bborkk: Looks like I joined #flood after you pasted.
[11:25] <bigt> i see etc no media
[11:25] <bigt> hell i take it it got hosed somehow
[11:25] <bborkk> WW: right.  hang on a sec
[11:25] <bborkk> WW, ogra: okay, I repasted.  sorry about that.
[11:25] <|trey|> bigt, paste the result of 'ls /' in #flood for me
[11:25] <lemsx1> |trey|, waste? why?
[11:25] <|trey|> lemsx1, because, why do something thats already been done?
[11:25] <WW> bborkk: That's a known cosmetic bug.  Not a problem.
[11:25] <bigt> id have to type it one by one
[11:26] <ogra> bborkk: gtk errors....
[11:26] <|trey|> bigt, no, just copy and paste...
[11:26] <bigt> how can i cut and paste to you if i'm ont in linux dude?
[11:26] <bigt> the linux box is down :)
[11:26] <ogra> bborkk: WW is right
[11:27] <bborkk> WW, ogra: Huh.  Okay, thanks.
[11:27] <WW> bborkk: And if ogra says I'm right, then I'm right, because ogra is never wrong.